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Title: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2013, 09:36:23 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/GMGUMMz.png)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on January 21, 2013, 09:39:00 AM

All hail the king! :bow

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 21, 2013, 09:58:08 AM

Who IS Barack Obama?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2013, 10:01:26 AM

I don't even have any guns for Obama to take away. :'(

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2013, 10:29:20 AM

A++ President, would vote for again

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on January 21, 2013, 10:29:48 AM

Wait, I've been out of the loop.  are you saying Mitt Romney lost?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2013, 10:55:00 AM

First lady's looking nice.  8)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2013, 11:01:52 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2013, 10:01:26 AM

I don't even have any guns for Obama to take away. :'(

First he came for the guns. But I did not speak because I didn't own any guns...

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 11:20:50 AM

THEN HE CAME FOR THE VIDEOGAMES WITH GUNS

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 11:43:22 AM

(http://www.abload.de/img/bidenuwjsz.gif)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2013, 11:48:52 AM

"Let's make this quick so I can get to the after-party."

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 12:04:30 PM

the rare climate shout out, plus a ToxixAdam diss. Obama don't give a shit

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 12:16:51 PM

Stonewall mention  :o

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2013, 12:28:07 PM

TL;DR Inaugural Speech: :patel


For real though, that was a good speech.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 21, 2013, 12:30:10 PM

and yo-yo ma is playing
« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 01:41:55 AM by Willco »

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Broseidon on January 21, 2013, 12:34:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 11:43:22 AM

(http://www.abload.de/img/bidenuwjsz.gif)

:pimp

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 12:44:34 PM

kelly clarkson was the biggest wtf of the inauguration

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mupepe on January 21, 2013, 12:51:23 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 12:44:34 PM

kelly clarkson was the biggest wtf of the inauguration

why?  what did she say/do?  And why is she there?  Isn't she a Ron Paul-tard?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 12:53:11 PM

yes she is, but she still got to sing one of the songs for some reason

also holy hell did chuck todd gain like 70 lbs over the holidays or what

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 01:07:46 PM

I would have also accepted "Obama's Second Term: Germany 1936?"

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 01:16:06 PM

(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/1/21/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-3461-1358787389-15.gif)
(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/1/21/11/anigif_enhanced-buzz-4413-1358787453-18.gif)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 01:23:46 PM

:drudge Obama Daughters Crip Walking at Inauguration :drudge

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 21, 2013, 01:27:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 12:04:30 PM

the rare climate shout out, plus a ToxixAdam diss. Obama don't give a shit

lol he said the same thing in 2008. He can't do anything major without congress.

Maybe he should focus on getting some kind of decent energy legislation passed first.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2013, 01:36:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 01:23:46 PM

:drudge Obama Daughters Crip Walking at Inauguration :drudge

Had to check to see if that was a real Drudge headline. Instead all I could find was people mad because Obama tweeted during church.

http://go.bloomberg.com/political-capital/2013-01-21/obama-tweets-from-church-lets-go/

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 01:40:52 PM

Nah, it's from the Olympics when Drudge went full racist because Venus Williams did a victory dance

(http://chimpmania.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11070&d=1344181166&thumb=1)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Broseidon on January 21, 2013, 02:06:41 PM

(http://www.abload.de/img/720835472i5e0g.gif)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2013, 02:12:45 PM

 :'(

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Positive Touch on January 21, 2013, 02:21:22 PM

omg let the tears flow :santocry

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 02:41:16 PM

 :'(

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 21, 2013, 02:43:33 PM

What's wrong, Obama taking away all your free Pell grant money?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2013, 03:08:15 PM

I'm sure President Hillary Clinton will renew it in four years

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Himu on January 21, 2013, 04:31:36 PM

ROAD TO HILARY 2016

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 21, 2013, 04:54:10 PM

http://gawker.com/5977763/watch-michelle-obama-throw-world+historical-shade-at-john-boehner?post=56454982 (http://gawker.com/5977763/watch-michelle-obama-throw-world+historical-shade-at-john-boehner?post=56454982)

From the comments:

"Ahh, so now we see the truth. Everybody loves the First "Lady" but she is really just as arrogant and secretly snide as her husband and it shows that she has nothing but contempt for white people. It's a deep seated hatred for white culture and you can see it just simmering in her when she thinks she is off camera. Isn't it funny how the Obama's never apologized for the Jeremiah Wright stuff? It's because they believe in all of it and this entire presidency is an attempt to destroy whites and redistribute wealth to minorities and disarm us against the dark tyranny that will come in less than two years time.

And you liberals eat it up and think its funny and you laugh, and snark, and all the while these monsters are dismembering your country. You are complicit in the destruction of United States of America and are traitors to everything it stands for."

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on January 21, 2013, 05:00:15 PM

so good

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2013, 05:01:55 PM

The bitter tears of the paranoid and delusional taste just like a fine wine.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Broseidon on January 21, 2013, 05:06:30 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDbomoaYrk4

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2013, 05:06:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2013, 05:01:55 PM

The bitter tears of the paranoid and delusional taste just like a fine wine.

(http://i47.tinypic.com/17z3is.jpg)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Himu on January 21, 2013, 05:18:27 PM

MAURICE

http://www.avclub.com/articles/lupe-fiasco-was-escorted-off-stage-after-spending,91381/

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2013, 06:23:20 PM

(but he was secretly escorted off because lupe fiasco sucks)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Stoney Mason on January 21, 2013, 11:29:31 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kwbAHXh.jpg)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Himu on January 21, 2013, 11:35:40 PM

:rofl

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2013, 02:19:27 AM

an interpretation of a meltdown from a Lupe stan on the GAF Hop facebook page

(http://i.imgur.com/jC5iu6A.png)
:rofl

(i'm not gonna address Wrath's comment, and will instead go to bed lol)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Eric P on January 22, 2013, 09:31:45 AM

does anyone else read The Transom?  Dude is extra salty today

THE ECONOMY:
 
The big issue President Obama barely talked about in his inauguration speech yesterday: unemployment. http://vlt.tc/o3x  “Today's jobless rate, 7.8 percent, is precisely what it was when Obama first took the oath of office in January 2009. It's even worse; if you combine the unemployed with those who are working part-time but want a full-time job, and those who have been too discouraged to look recently, the figure is 14.4 percent, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. That is a desperately bad situation. People know it. In poll after poll, Americans list jobs and the economy as the issue most important to the country. They've been saying the same thing every day Barack Obama has been in office. And yet, in his inaugural address the president said essentially nothing about the nation's most pressing problem. Why? Because he didn't have to. His base supporters – loyalists and activists who would declare war on a Republican president with a similar unemployment rate – continue to give Obama a pass on joblessness. There are other issues, like immigration reform, climate change and raising taxes, that excite them more than economic recovery.”  The grand bargain is kaput.
 
Obama accepts the Washington way. http://vlt.tc/o51  “This was not the politician who campaigned in 2008 on themes of transcending the divisive politics of the past, though there were ritual calls for the country and its political leaders to seize this moment together. Instead, it was a president who has accepted the reality of those divisions and is determined to prevail on his terms.” That’s why his agenda over the next two years will be more about those other issues, and little in the way of even an attempt to get the economy moving again – it’s about the base who came out for the inauguration this time, not the twice as large crowd that came out in 2008. And voters are expecting it: “Sixty percent say they do not expect to make major economic strides during Obama’s second term, compared to just 38 percent who expect to be better off in 2016.”  http://vlt.tc/o36  He is, after all, too busy “perfecting America.” http://vlt.tc/o4z
 
You can read the full speech here. http://vlt.tc/o44  The full bore endorsement of liberalism and “collective action” is being hailed by the New Yorker as “centrist Obama coming out as a liberal.” http://vlt.tc/o46  Coming out? What presidency have they been watching for the past four years? From my perspective, this is completely consistent with his approach for the past four years: talk of togetherness, double-down on government-centered solutions, govern through creating division. http://vlt.tc/o47  Yet of his liberal wet-dream list of policy aims, few other than immigration strike me as easy wins. http://vlt.tc/o4a  The one that is the least likely to succeed in any sense is his attempt to do something on climate – environmentalism is a luxury good, and he’d need a better economy to get that done. http://vlt.tc/o4b

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2013, 11:15:27 AM

I got to see a bit of the inauguration way back by the Washington monument yesterday morning before heading to the airport. Absolute insantiy, but I'm glad we did it.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 22, 2013, 11:23:33 AM

Yet another masterpiece post by Charles Pierce (http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/barack-obama-president-whole-country-0213)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 22, 2013, 11:23:37 AM

actual speech stuff, or just the motorcade?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2013, 12:10:59 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on January 22, 2013, 11:23:37 AM

actual speech stuff, or just the motorcade?

We saw Obama's speech on the big video screens on the mall, and then hopped on the metro to Reagan.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 22, 2013, 12:53:12 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 22, 2013, 12:10:59 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on January 22, 2013, 11:23:37 AM

actual speech stuff, or just the motorcade?

We saw Obama's speech on the big video screens on the mall, and then hopped on the metro to Reagan.

At least then you got to see a real president. #tcot

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2013, 11:07:05 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGLQ63qUHHo

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: tiesto on January 23, 2013, 11:39:20 AM

Geniuses. Enjoy your secret service visit  :P
http://www.classwarfareexists.com/it-would-be-funny-if-obama-gets-assassinated-on-mlk-day-just-sayin/ (http://www.classwarfareexists.com/it-would-be-funny-if-obama-gets-assassinated-on-mlk-day-just-sayin/)

(http://www.classwarfareexists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/tweet-obama-assassination.png)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on January 23, 2013, 11:44:39 AM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/fox-news-hitler-guns.php?ref=fpb

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Then stepped up Bob Schieffer.

Speaking on a special Jan. 16 edition of CBS News, the host said this of the obstacles to passing legislation: “Surely passing civil rights legislation, as Lyndon Johnson was able to do, and before that, surely defeating the Nazis was a much more formidable task than taking on the gun lobby.”

Heads on Fox started to fizz. When Hannity played the clip on his show, he followed it up with a clip from Rush Limbaugh, who asked: “Is there room for that in our discourse today?” Limbaugh called it “over-the-top defamation.”

“Think of if conservatives had used that language to describe liberals,” said The Five host Dana Perino, apparently unaware of her employer’s programming the last few weeks. “There would be collective outrage on the front page of the papers and demands for people to resign and apologize.”

:rofl  :spin :dizzy
Holy shit these people are trolls.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2013, 12:00:20 PM

I pray for the day when Fox News collapses under its own weight, taking Rush and Alex Jones with it.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: tiesto on January 23, 2013, 02:38:18 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2013, 12:00:20 PM

I pray for the day when Fox News collapses under its own weight, taking Rush and Alex Jones with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQpD9LolO-k

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 23, 2013, 02:39:52 PM

after Murdoch dies his empire will splinter, his family hates each other and his wife doesn't seem too interested in the business.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2013, 03:04:15 PM

Alex Jones was neither the jock nor the nerd, so he has to settle for pointless, paranoid rambling.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2013, 03:54:31 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/harry-reid-has-51-votes-filibuster-reform.php?ref=fpb

What a fucking pussy, amirite puddles?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2013, 03:58:35 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 23, 2013, 03:54:31 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/harry-reid-has-51-votes-filibuster-reform.php?ref=fpb

What a fucking pussy, amirite puddles?

Yeah, but I don't see him abolishing filibusters completely for all time, so it's a total bust and he deserves to be dragged out into the street and publicly beaten.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2013, 04:16:12 PM

here we go

Virginia State Senate Moves Ahead on Electoral College-Rigging Bill

Quote

Look at the map from 2012. Mitt Romney won the 1st (53%), 4th (50%), 5th (53%), 6th (59%), 7th (57%), 9th (63%), and 10th (50%) districts. Barack Obama won the four remaining districts -- the 2nd (50%), 3rd (79%), 8th (68%), and 11th (62%). Had the Carrico plan been in place in 2012, Mitt Romney would have won nine of Virginia's electoral votes, and Barack Obama would have won four -- even though Obama won the popular vote of the state by nearly 150,000 ballots, and four percentage points.

It gets worse. You'll notice that the 2nd, 4th, and 10th districts were squeakers, with margins between 4000 and 5000 votes. Carrico's theory is that an electoral vote split would made rural areas more vital. But these districts cover the Tidewater region and the exurbs of Washington, D.C. One: Had Obama campaigned to win them, in particular, he wouldn't have necessarily focused on anything that didn't work statewide. Two: Had won them, he would taken eight electors to Mitt Romney's five. Winning Virginia wouldn't have been worth 13 votes. It'd have been like taking New Hampshire or Rhode Island. That's because this reform is designed to disenfranchise Democrats, not make the state more important.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/01/23/virginia_state_senate_moves_ahead_on_electoral_college_rigging_bill.html

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 23, 2013, 04:20:20 PM

fuck republicans

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2013, 04:41:38 PM

This happened just the other day:

Quote from: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/01/21/1475811/virginia-rushes-redistricting/

While the eyes of the nation were turned toward President Barack Obama’s second inauguration on Monday, the Virginia State Senate managed to hurriedly pass a bill that would redistrict the state’s senate seats.

The vote, 20-19, would have been a tie had Democratic Senator Henry Marsh been present. Marsh, a civil rights leader, was in Washington, D.C., attending the inauguration.

How low can this party sink? I thought we'd seen the bottom in the two year leading up to the election, but I guess losing again has taught the Republicans the lesson that they only just need dig a little bit deeper into that bedrock.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2013, 05:01:44 PM

Remember that month of soul searching the GOP did after the election? Sounds like they came to the conclusion their best shot at winning elections again is to just rig things.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Yeti on January 23, 2013, 06:31:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/9idPulb.png?1)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 24, 2013, 01:01:02 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgQGJjQq4uk

This might be the most infuriating video I've watched in months.  This fucking cunt needs to retire from the court.  Or die, I don't give a shit.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 24, 2013, 01:37:10 AM

He won't retire if a Democrat is in office.  He'll have to die or have a stroke or some shit.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on January 24, 2013, 10:46:11 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/23/catholic-hospital-argues-_n_2534383.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

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But when it came to mounting a defense in the Stodghill case, Catholic Health’s lawyers effectively turned the Church directives on their head. Catholic organizations have for decades fought to change federal and state laws that fail to protect “unborn persons,” and Catholic Health’s lawyers in this case had the chance to set precedent bolstering anti-abortion legal arguments. Instead, they are arguing state law protects doctors from liability concerning unborn fetuses on grounds that those fetuses are not persons with legal rights.

A fetus is a person except when you are getting sued for medical malpractice.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2013, 08:08:43 PM

(http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benenE3989278-A71B-72B2-1976-DA094D70C777.jpg&width=600)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on January 24, 2013, 08:52:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2013, 08:08:43 PM

(http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benenE3989278-A71B-72B2-1976-DA094D70C777.jpg&width=600)

Oh man. Block out the name and this is the most perfect example of Poe's law I have ever seen.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on January 24, 2013, 08:54:01 PM

Hearing stories about ambushed convoys and women having to help fight it out, only to not get combat medals because of this ban makes me think this should be retroactive.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 24, 2013, 09:44:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2013, 08:08:43 PM

(http://m.static.newsvine.com/servista/imagesizer?file=steve-benenE3989278-A71B-72B2-1976-DA094D70C777.jpg&width=600)

what a fucking moron

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2013, 10:02:02 PM

It's Tucker Carlson*, this is just par for the course.

*or just substitute you're favorite right-wing media person, it really makes no difference.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2013, 11:51:48 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/01/my_god_could_this_be_true.php

perhaps the only political story of the week that didn't piss me off. This is priceless

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2013, 01:25:35 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/24/republican-vote-rigging-electoral-college_n_2546010.html

derp

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2013, 01:16:21 PM

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/mississippi_sovereignty_bill.php?ref=fpa

derp derp

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2013, 01:48:12 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2013, 01:16:21 PM

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/mississippi_sovereignty_bill.php?ref=fpa

derp derp

He looks like he's responding to a casting call for either "Southern Plantation Owner" or "Fried Chicken Magnate".

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/jeff-smith-mississippi-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2013, 02:50:17 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2013, 01:48:12 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2013, 01:16:21 PM

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/01/mississippi_sovereignty_bill.php?ref=fpa

derp derp

He looks like he's responding to a casting call for either "Southern Plantation Owner" or "Fried Chicken Magnate".

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/01/jeff-smith-mississippi-cropped-proto-custom_28.jpg)

we need somebody that screams "racist"

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 25, 2013, 02:55:33 PM

Nate Silver did his usual roundup of polling outfits. Rasmussen and Gallup fared poorly, whereas internet polling outfits like Ipsos and RAND did well.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2013, 03:12:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2013, 11:51:48 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/01/my_god_could_this_be_true.php

perhaps the only political story of the week that didn't piss me off. This is priceless

:lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2013, 03:15:44 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 25, 2013, 02:55:33 PM

Nate Silver did his usual roundup of polling outfits. Rasmussen and Gallup fared poorly, whereas internet polling outfits like Ipsos and RAND did well.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/which-polls-fared-best-and-worst-in-the-2012-presidential-race/

I can't wait until September 2016 when Hillary is up 5 on Rubio in ABC/NBC/CBS/RAND/etc polls and we see a return of the unskewing movement. Will be fun seeing Dick Morris and Karl Rove doing their thing again. I don't remember Morris getting much shit in 08 when he was dead wrong, but the reactions to his 2012 rants were great.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 25, 2013, 03:36:28 PM

Appeals court just knocked down the practice of recess appointments, apparently.  Hm.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2013, 03:40:56 PM

No one will ever get appointed ever again.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2013, 04:43:54 PM

luckily dems reformed the fili- ah nevermind

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 25, 2013, 07:12:55 PM

Harry Reid is truly history's greatest monster!

From what I'm getting, the court went against a lot of judicial precedent and real-world practice to make this ruling.  So maybe it gets overturned later.  Or maybe this, along with the near nullification of the ACA, is the new normal.  Sheesh.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2013, 07:27:16 PM

We'll see, it's definitely heading to the Supreme Court. Something tells me Mitch McConnell will be less concerned about going against the history/fabric of US senate tradition if he gets the chance to shitcan the filibuster after the 2014 election.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2013, 08:29:39 PM

Quote from: Mandark on January 25, 2013, 07:12:55 PM

Harry Reid is truly history's greatest monster!

From what I'm getting, the court went against a lot of judicial precedent and real-world practice to make this ruling.  So maybe it gets overturned later.  Or maybe this, along with the near nullification of the ACA, is the new normal.  Sheesh.

Dern liberal activist judges, legislating from the bench!

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 26, 2013, 05:14:08 PM

Looks like Scott Brown has been drunk tweeting

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ex-sen-scott-brown-s-bizarre-early-morning?ref=fpb

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 26, 2013, 06:06:23 PM

deep breaths...

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2013, 12:31:13 PM

Haven't really been following this, so this might be old news ...

Quote

State prosecutors who investigated the late Aaron Swartz had planned to let him off with a stern warning, but federal prosecutor Carmen Ortiz took over and chose to make an example of the Internet activist, according to a report in Massachusetts Lawyers Weekly.
Middlesex County's district attorney had planned no jail time, "with Swartz duly admonished and then returned to civil society to continue his pioneering electronic work in a less legally questionable manner," the report (alternate link) said. "Tragedy intervened when Ortiz's office took over the case to send 'a message.'"


The report is likely to fuel an online campaign against Ortiz, who has been criticized for threatening the 26-year-old with decades in prison for allegedly downloading a large quantity of academic papers. An online petition asking President Obama to remove from office Ortiz -- a politically ambitious prosecutor who was talked about as Massachusetts' next governor as recently as last month.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57565927-38/swartz-didnt-face-prison-until-feds-took-over-case-report-says/

I hate when federal government does this shit. Same kind of thing happened to Martha Stewart.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 27, 2013, 12:56:51 PM

Sounds like she wanted to throw the book at this guy to shore up her "tough on crime" stance for a governor run.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2013, 01:01:47 PM

Quote from: The Experiment on January 27, 2013, 12:56:51 PM

Sounds like she wanted to throw the book at this guy to shore up her "tough on crime" stance for a governor run.

And there's this:

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/01/triumphant_motel_owner_slams_carmen_ortiz

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Yeti on January 27, 2013, 01:14:58 PM

I hadn't seen this before.

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBU5Zb3CYAAxmX2.jpg)

WTF Fox News.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxNzlFbc8KQ

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2013, 01:40:01 PM

Well, it's not like overzealous prosecution is unique to the feds.  The DA in the Duke lacrosse thing was a local, for example.

I'd imagine that with broadly written laws that carry stiff penalties is that you either push for uniform enforcement where everybody gets the book thrown at them, or leave it to the discretion of the DA's, and wind up with selective overprosecution.  I'm not really sure what the incentives are like for prosecutors and whether they have any reason to worry about overcharging someone if the case doesn't draw a ton of negative publicity.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2013, 01:45:42 PM

Overheard someone desperately trying to explain why Benghazi was a worse federal fuck up disaster than 911 and Katrina. Because it could have been prevented but wasn't due to an uncaring lazy president who watched Americans die because "he thinks he's a king."

And yes Mandark this was at Subway. I have coupons!

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 27, 2013, 02:01:05 PM

That doesn't sound like black excellence.

On a similar note, from my FB feed...

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/398134_525696930798575_1575078652_n.jpg)


 :dizzy

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 27, 2013, 02:53:00 PM

If all our laws were modeled after Best Korea, our economy would be as vibrant as theirs.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2013, 03:20:51 PM

Isn't illegal immigration down big time over the last 5-6 years? The explanation is typically that the US economy sucks...but if you were an illegal immigrant wouldn't you still prefer a jobless US over Mexico. Afterall, you can collect unemployment :smug

*10 people like this post*

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2013, 08:14:04 PM

oh man, my friend sent me an email he received from his grand dad concerning "Obama's scar" and whether he has had brain surgery. I knew some people were talking about it, but didn't know it was truly "a thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GwnOKyhySk

this tells me a couple things

1) some people truly don't know anything about black people
2) Barack needs to work on his hair brushing swag

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Yeti on January 27, 2013, 08:58:07 PM

I assume that scar is where they implanted the Liberal chip.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 27, 2013, 08:59:26 PM

About 2-3 years ago, it was all the chain e-mail rage that Obama actually has a tail.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2013, 09:17:53 PM

Quote from: Yeti on January 27, 2013, 08:58:07 PM

I assume that scar is where they implanted the Marxist chip.

Fixed.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 27, 2013, 09:33:37 PM

I'm not surprised they would do that in Kenya.

In America, under Obamacare, our enslavement will be in the form of RFID microchips in our bloodstream:

(http://wafflesatnoon.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/RFID-300x300.jpg)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: brawndolicious on January 27, 2013, 10:40:21 PM

Black men have hair scars?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: drew on January 28, 2013, 01:18:13 AM

Quote from: The Experiment on January 27, 2013, 09:33:37 PM

RFID microchips in our bloodstream

BUT THAT WOULD KILL YOU DEADER THAN A HAMMER. "All according to plan Lord Vader" hueeeeeeeeee

:AlexJones

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2013, 01:56:01 AM

and here we go

Quote

Senators Reach Bipartisan Immigration Reform Deal

A bipartisan group of eight Senators working on a comprehensive immigration reform plan are planning on announcing a framework for a bill Monday after reaching an agreement on the broad outlines of a package, including a path to citizenship for the nation's 11 million undocumented immigrants.

According to the Associated Press, the bill would grant legal status and a path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants only after a series of additional border security measures were put in place. In addition, the package would include an e-verify program to prevent employers from hiring undocumented workers in the future, an expanded visa and guest worker program to manage future immigration, and a seperate streamlined path towards citizenship for undocumented immigrants who were bought to America as children.

The Democratic Senators working on the deal are Sens. Robert Menedez (D-NJ), Dick Durbin (D-IL), Michael Bennett (D-CO), and Chuck Schumer (D-NY). The Republicans are Sens. John McCain (R-AZ), Marco Rubio (R-FL), Jeff Flake (R-AZ), and Lindsey Graham (R-SC).

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/senators-reach-bipartisan-immigration-reform-deal?ref=fpa

Sounds almost exactly like the plan Obama has campaigned on for 5 years, which sounded like Bush's immigration plan. I guess the only question is whether Obama will insist the DREAM Act be included, oh and what will the house do lol

Hopefully the STEM bill is included too

Edit: apparently this frame work does include the DREAM Act

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2013, 02:12:22 AM

DOA in the House. 

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2013, 02:18:52 AM

Of course it's DOA in the House, it's a sensible piece of bi-partisan legislation that 90% of the country would support. The remaining 10% are the people who watch Fox News and listen to Rush Limbaugh [i.e. the base of the modern Republican party].

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2013, 02:28:59 AM

It's win win imo. Either it passes and helps the immigration situation, or it fails and house republicans look like extremists once again for all to see. They're really shitcanning their brand and while I think they'll hold the House until the next census, at the least they will lose more and more seats.

I think the Hispanic vote will be secured for democrats in the short term regardless of what happens. As the GOP evolves, their demographic problems will get better so there's no telling what the long term Hispanic vote will be. That being said, the 2012 exit polls showed they're pretty fucking liberal across all ages...

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: brawndolicious on January 28, 2013, 04:30:11 AM

I don't really expect them to evolve until they lose the house and the senate.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 28, 2013, 05:20:05 AM

Quote from: Mandark on January 27, 2013, 02:01:05 PM

That doesn't sound like black excellence.

On a similar note, from my FB feed...

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/398134_525696930798575_1575078652_n.jpg)


 :dizzy

We were afraid of a hard labor gap

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 28, 2013, 05:45:15 AM

it was the needless bullying of then nominee Justice Sotomayor that cemented my opinion that the Pub's really don't give a shit about winning over the Latino vote.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2013, 08:25:11 AM

Quote from: am nintenho on January 28, 2013, 04:30:11 AM

I don't really expect them to evolve until they lose the house and the senate.

That happened in 2006, they lost more in 2008, and their strategy was to double down on the crazy every single time.  It's the only thing they know, really.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 10:15:18 AM

Quote from: Mandark on January 27, 2013, 02:01:05 PM

That doesn't sound like black excellence.

On a similar note, from my FB feed...

(http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/398134_525696930798575_1575078652_n.jpg)


 :dizzy

"you get a job" is the best part.  People I know are believers that the federal Government is actually giving illegal immigrants jobs as soon as they get here.  It's the biggest wtf about immigration I've heard.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2013, 10:23:13 AM

It's all part of the super secret "non-white person" welfare system that gives you tons of free money and benefits.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 10:26:23 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2013, 10:23:13 AM

It's all part of the super secret "non-white person" welfare system that gives you tons of free money and benefits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duckies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_duckies)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2013, 10:30:33 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/GUAGMB1.png)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 10:39:26 AM

That's basically the RNC's economic platform in comic form.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: tiesto on January 28, 2013, 11:08:25 AM

I thought that after the recent loss the Republicans were frantically trying to figure out how to appeal to Hispanic voters?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on January 28, 2013, 11:17:07 AM

If the pubs help solve the immigration problem, they aren't going to be able to use it as a wedge issue in 2014.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2013, 11:29:34 AM

Quote from: tiesto on January 28, 2013, 11:08:25 AM

I thought that after the recent loss the Republicans were frantically trying to figure out how to appeal to Hispanic voters?

I think their conclusion was that they just didn't explain the Republican platform to Hispanics well enough (or disenfranchise enough of them).

Title: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 28, 2013, 11:31:32 AM

I don't doubt that some GOP leadership wants to make changes but going up against their crazy ass donors and even crazier ass base...not going to be easy.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 28, 2013, 12:16:18 PM

I think that sums up the Republicans in a nutshell. Their grassroots people are crazy as fuck and the people with the money have no problems funding them (as long as they remain anti-tax).


It's a weird symbiotic relationship.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 12:26:21 PM

No one in the Republican party that has a tough primary in 14 is going to support any kind of reform.  Sad stuff.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Eric P on January 28, 2013, 12:26:32 PM

current favorite left rag The New Inquiry (sorry Jacobin) did a look at Glenn Beck's Agenda 21 book

http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/to-the-squirrels/



“Praise the squirrels. Praise those who feed the squirrels.” So chants the ecofascist dictatorship that controls America in Glenn Beck’s fascinating new novel Agenda 21. With its black-garbed “Enforcers”, its “nourishment cubes” and power-generating “energy mats,” Agenda 21 reads like boilerplate pulp. Yet we’d be mistaken to class it as science fiction. Rather, the book represents a generic mutation akin to the evolution Thomas Frank documents in What’s the Matter with Kansas?: the strange transformation of rural populism from a mass movement of the radical left to a tendency of the extreme right.

In an afterword, Beck explains how Agenda 21 should be used. The book, he says, will awaken its readers to the existential threat posed by the real life “Agenda 21,” a tepid United Nations program for—gasp!sustainable development. They should then pass the book on to friends but without mentioning its politics. “Don’t tell them about the Afterword,” he urges. “Don’t even tell them that Agenda 21 is a real initiative. Let them go through the discovery process themselves.” In other words, Beck sees Agenda 21 less as literary text than political intervention. He’s adopting a novelistic mode quite foreign to today’s left (which has, by and large, abandoned any direct relationship between activism and authorship) but instantly recognizable to progressive novelists of original populist era.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 12:28:31 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html)
 :lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2013, 01:15:54 PM

If that bill came to the house it would pass, the issue is whether Boehner will bring it to the floor and what poison amendments will he allow. Eventually the far right will realize it's basically Obama's plan, and lawmakers will be looking for any excuse to walk from the table and blame Obama's partisanship. Just watch, he'll say something that hurts McCain's feelings tomorrow or during the SOTU and folks will get butthurt.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: brawndolicious on January 28, 2013, 01:55:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 12:28:31 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html)
 :lol

How did the election officers at the second site know she already voted? The fact that she wasn't registered at that location would make them send her away or at worse give her a provisional ballot that would be checked against the voter rolls at other locations.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 02:15:18 PM

They have a database of which ballots had been cast. So when she showed up and asked for a provisional ballot they checked against the records and told her to fuck off. 

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mupepe on January 28, 2013, 02:17:17 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on January 28, 2013, 01:55:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 12:28:31 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html)
 :lol

How did the election officers at the second site know she already voted? The fact that she wasn't registered at that location would make them send her away or at worse give her a provisional ballot that would be checked against the voter rolls at other locations.

In Texas I can vote at any poll in the county that I registered at.  They just pull up my name in a database that says whether I've already voted or not.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2013, 02:34:37 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 28, 2013, 12:28:31 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/28/roxanne-rubin_n_2566297.html)
 :lol

She tried to demonstrate the need for voter ID laws by voting twice under her own name?  Buh?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2013, 03:46:19 PM

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2013/01/white-nonwhite1.jpg)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2013, 03:51:26 PM

Pretty much says it all, doesn't i?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2013, 10:17:32 PM

Sounds like both the Senate and House GOP have gotten behind substantial immigration reform bills.  That was rather quick.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 29, 2013, 12:13:55 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 28, 2013, 10:21:54 PM

Scarborough tries to take down K-Thug, shows that he doesn't have the slightest grasp of Krugman's actual argument.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/paul-krugman-vs-the-world-86822.html?hp=l4 (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/paul-krugman-vs-the-world-86822.html?hp=l4)

For the love of fuck, Social Security is NOT AN UNFUNDED LIABILITY.  There's like 2.2 trillion chilling in a box.  If we stopped collecting ALL ss money, it would last until like 2021.  Ugh, just ugh.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2013, 12:16:55 AM

well, I guess we know what will kill progress now
http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/obama-will-include-same-sex-couples-in-immigration

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2013, 12:44:24 AM

Favorite bit is how it compares obligations over some future period, probably 75 years, to the GDP for one year.

Assuming the US averages 2% economic growth over that period, then cumulative GDP for that period would be (checking Wolfram Alpha...) $2,578 trillion, of which those obligations represent less than one percent.  Problem solved!  You're welcome, America.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2013, 01:19:17 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 28, 2013, 10:21:54 PM

Scarborough tries to take down K-Thug, shows that he doesn't have the slightest grasp of Krugman's actual argument.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/paul-krugman-vs-the-world-86822.html?hp=l4 (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/01/paul-krugman-vs-the-world-86822.html?hp=l4)

Mika  :lol

"you're right until the one day you're wrong." Well, ok then. No wonder republicans don't want to talk about job growth. As long as the economy is barely getting by, they can talk nonstop about the imminent debt crisis cataclysm that will kill us all.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mupepe on January 29, 2013, 10:23:52 AM

Quote from: Mandark on January 29, 2013, 12:44:24 AM

Favorite bit is how it compares obligations over some future period, probably 75 years, to the GDP for one year.

Assuming the US averages 2% economic growth over that period, then cumulative GDP for that period would be (checking Wolfram Alpha...) $2,578 trillion, of which those obligations represent less than one percent.  Problem solved!  You're welcome, America.

Big numbers are scary.  I get this all the time from libertarian friends.  60 TRILLION IN LIABILITIES (over the next 1000 years).  And forward emails like this (http://usdebt.kleptocracy.us) as well.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 29, 2013, 06:28:50 PM

Skeletor and Erick Erickson are out at CNN.  Too bad, Mr. Redstate.  Now you can go back to not pretending to care about being batshit insane.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2013, 09:27:59 PM

you mean the guy who called David Souter a goat fucking child molester?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 29, 2013, 10:32:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2013, 09:27:59 PM

you mean the guy who called David Souter a goat fucking child molester?

Yeah, now he no longer needs to apologize for shit like that to keep his CNN gig.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2013, 05:57:29 PM

while casually reading through a farewell lament of a Freeper complaining about far right hatred, I stumbled across this gem

Quote

FYI, the concept of “racism”, which you should well know did not exist 150 years ago, and had to be invented, and it’s not something like a lightbulb that had to be invented, that concept is said to have been invented by none other than Leon Trotsky. It’s caught on, achieved its propagandistic purposes to the point where you and the Communists can sing Kumbaya together about it, even though it is something doesn’t exist, just like, say, global warming. Look up ethnocentrism, and tell us in what human culture, at what point in history, it did not appear.

Good luck in the church of anti-Racism!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2982931/posts

This must be what Paul felt like on the road to Damascus. I have been knocked off my proverbial horse of understanding and now enter a new era of enlightenment.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 30, 2013, 06:01:31 PM

"All countries were racist at the some point in the past, therefore racism does not exist!"

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2013, 07:29:58 PM

Reminds me of the hilarious racist ethnocentric joke one guy told at work today:

Quote

In South Los Angeles, a fire destroyed a fourplex.

A Nigerian family of six con artists lived on the first floor, and all six died in the fire.

An Islamic group of seven Kenyan welfare cheats, all illegally in the country, lived on the second floor, and they, too, all perished in the fire.

Six LA, Hispanic, heavy-duty, ex-cons lived on the 3rd floor and they too, died.

One white couple lived on the top floor. The couple survived the fire.

Jesse Jackson, John Burris and Al Sharpton were furious. They flew into LA and quickly demanded a meeting with the fire chief. On camera, they loudly demanded to know why the Blacks, Black Muslims and Hispanics all died in the fire and only the white couple lived.

The fire chief quietly replied, "Simple — they were away at work."

Get it, they were all on welfare. :lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on January 31, 2013, 09:21:30 AM

Not buying what happened to the Kenyans. They can run.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2013, 01:52:00 PM

So I heard some white, suburban kids might be listening to rap instead of Bing Crosby. *clutches peals*

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/01/how-conservatives-sabotage-their-own-cultural-criticism/272718/

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 01, 2013, 09:30:55 AM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/clinton-benghazi-critics-dont-live-in-evidence-based

A week after being bombarded with questions from congressional Republicans over the September attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi, Libya, outgoing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in an interview published Friday that many of those critics have a loose grasp on reality.

"There are some people in politics and in the press who can't be confused by the facts," Clinton told the Associated Press in her final one-on-one interview before she steps down from her post at the State Department on Friday. "They just will not live in an evidence-based world. And that's regrettable. It's regrettable for our political system and for the people who serve our government in very dangerous, difficult circumstances."

:pimp

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2013, 10:43:04 AM

157,000 new jobs in January and upward revisions for November and December:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/economy-adds-157000-jobs-in-january.php?ref=fpblg

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mupepe on February 01, 2013, 10:52:04 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2013, 10:43:04 AM

157,000 new jobs in January and upward revisions for November and December:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/economy-adds-157000-jobs-in-january.php?ref=fpblg

Damn!  I clicked on the Guilty Pleasure: Naughty Former Disney Girls Photos "related article".  Hot damn!

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2013, 08:23:42 PM

http://www.the-coli.com/higher-learning/85105-colon-power-raciss-selout.html#.UQxqePIkS4o

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Oblivion on February 01, 2013, 09:00:24 PM

I'm not the biggest fan of David Jaffe, but I'm even less of a fan of Erin Burnett:

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Dear @ErinBurnett : you, ma'am, are at best an idiot that @cnn should be ashamed to have as an anchor. At worst, you are the worst kind of American: one who has allowed the healthy desire for success to morph into a capitalistic cancer that makes it ok to ignore the facts in order to make your product more appealing, regardless of the consequences. To make matters worse, your own views about video games- which you seem to have no problem sharing with your hundreds of thousands of viewers- clearly have not been formed by any actual research or real life experience with the medium.

I am sure you will think yourself quick and insightful when you tell me- a video game director/designer accusing someone from another industry of making products for profit regardless of consequence- that I am the pot and you are the black kettle. However, if you actually listened to your guests and read the studies (aka if you actually did some....some....hmmm, what's that word you journalists have for it? Oh right: RESEARCH!) you would see you are wrong; you would see there remains- after years of studies- zero evidence of video games with violent subject matter causing real life violence.

On the flip side- you know: YOUR side- there is very real evidence that our society suffers greatly when our news media fails to properly inform the public.

The fact that you think a guy who 'trains'* on a shooting video game would be granted the skill to horrifically, tragically kill those CHILDREN in Norway only serves to show how little research you do before you open your mouth in front of your world wide audience under the guise of delivering news. I'm not sure what makes your argument look more ignorant: the fact that you don't back up your idiotic statement by showing a correlation to the current health of America's agriculture sector with the popularity of Farmville OR the fact that the sick, deranged evil loser who killed those poor kids in Norway had picked such a poor 'training' tool that after 700 hours of play, he was only capable of hitting little kids with his bullets versus the well armed pretend terrorists and highly skilled virtual soldiers that he was battling in the game.

Shame on you. But more importantly: shame on your profession. It deserves so much better.**

David

*'Train' is such a stupid, irresponsible verb that you- without a shred of guilt- chew into with relish and repeat over and over because you know it helps sell your false story.


** I know journalism deserves better than you because I really love Sorkin's The Newsroom plus I saw Broadcast News back in high school at least 5 times (I had a crush on Holly Hunter- so sue me!) which means- in your world- I must have the equivalent of a journalism degree from Columbia plus a few years experience working for The Washington Post (back in the 70's, I mean, when it was really something special). So because of that, I know you will trust me when I tell you that you are not right for your current job and that you should quit and go try to be on something like The View or try to act in a movie or some such.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Boogie on February 01, 2013, 10:16:13 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 01, 2013, 09:00:24 PM

** I know journalism deserves better than you because I really love Sorkin's The Newsroom plus I saw Broadcast News back in high school at least 5 times (I had a crush on Holly Hunter- so sue me!) which means- in your world- I must have the equivalent of a journalism degree from Columbia plus a few years experience working for The Washington Post (back in the 70's, I mean, when it was really something special). So because of that, I know you will trust me when I tell you that you are not right for your current job and that you should quit and go try to be on something like The View or try to act in a movie or some such.

I'm a fan of Sorkin, but:  Oh God, that is painful and embarrassing.  :-\

He was drunk when he typed this up, right?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2013, 01:03:59 PM

So yeah, I just saw some guy on Fox News saying that Obama's stance in the skeet shoot photo was terrible and that meant the photo actually hurt his standing as a gun owner/user. Never change, Fox News. :lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 04, 2013, 10:30:07 PM

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/02/04/former-head-of-south-carolina-gop-does-a-little-freelance-outreach-to-the-african-american-community

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2013, 10:37:30 PM

Interesting!

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Boogie on February 04, 2013, 10:50:12 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 04, 2013, 10:30:07 PM

http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/02/04/former-head-of-south-carolina-gop-does-a-little-freelance-outreach-to-the-african-american-community

Are we sure that's not actually drew's twitter account?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2013, 11:32:36 PM

Gah, it's that rhetorical gambit again.  Where you say something deliberately provocative and then defend it on the grounds that it was somewhat based in fact or didn't cross some arbitrary line that would have made it racist/sexist/homophobic/shitty.

That guy did the same thing last year calling Pelosi a cunt and saying it wasn't sexist cause he loves women and hates cunts.  At that point you're obviously not trying to convince the people you're speaking directly towards.  Sometimes you can be appealing to listeners who are sympathetic to your own asshole views but also want to think of themselves as Good People or whatever ("it's not racist to bring up statistics and figures about race and crime!"), but I think the dude is past even that point.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 04, 2013, 11:49:29 PM

So...why is the GOP loosing the minority vote? I can't remember!

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2013, 12:26:59 AM

folks who know me will tell you I rarely get mad about anything, especially "offensive" comments. But that...what the fuck is wrong with people. I get he wants to "prove" liberals are "worse" with this rhetorical game, fine whatever. But he can't even admit what he said was disgusting - and instead wants to explain it as some simple trolling. I doubt Martin's parents are over his death, but they probably have slowly begun healing over the last few months, and to have a comment like that fly out of nowhere must be a punch in the gut for them.

Good luck with that minority outreach. Please Hillary run so we can get at least 12 years of the GOP in the wilderness.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: pickle on February 05, 2013, 05:31:24 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2013, 12:26:59 AM

folks who know me will tell you I rarely get mad about anything, especially "offensive" comments. But that...what the fuck is wrong with people. I get he wants to "prove" liberals are "worse" with this rhetorical game, fine whatever. But he can't even admit what he said was disgusting - and instead wants to explain it as some simple trolling. I doubt Martin's parents are over his death, but they probably have slowly begun healing over the last few months, and to have a comment like that fly out of nowhere must be a punch in the gut for them.

Good luck with that minority outreach. Please Hillary run so we can get at least 12 years of the GOP in the wilderness.

Fuck yes.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 05, 2013, 05:40:21 AM

I'm pretty sure Hillary is running.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: drew on February 05, 2013, 06:08:35 AM

If Hillary runs and wins I'm moving in with Boogie.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Boogie on February 05, 2013, 06:14:06 AM

Quote from: drew on February 05, 2013, 06:08:35 AM

If Hillary runs and wins I'm moving in with Boogie.

Yeaaaah, no.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 05, 2013, 08:39:01 AM

Kasich (OH Gov) announced he is expanding Medicaid in accordance with Obamacare. Which isn't huge news, but he was one of the three that people speculated was on the fence. Wisconsin and Florida are obviously the others.

http://www.advisory.com/Daily-Briefing/2012/11/09/MedicaidMap

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2013, 09:08:31 AM

It is huge news given his previous statements, and the impact it will have on the state. As he said, rejecting the expansion would lead to more poor people flooding emergency rooms and raising everyone's rates. This will save the state money and is the right thing to do. Kasich seems fucked in the next election regardless so I'm not sure there are political consequences. Same with Rick Scott, although I don't know which way he'll rule on this.

Meanwhile you have idiots like Bonby Jindal who would rather pile up debt than smear their 2016 record.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 05, 2013, 01:26:55 PM

Quote from: drew on February 05, 2013, 06:08:35 AM

If Hillary runs and wins I'm moving in with Boogie.

wow you really are just about the worst aren't you

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2013, 03:37:24 PM

(http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screen-Shot-2013-02-04-at-12.37.30-PM.png)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Positive Touch on February 05, 2013, 03:41:42 PM

this guy was in a top position in SC's GOP. he managed to climb all the way to the top.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 05, 2013, 04:15:41 PM

Trollin' to stay relevant.  :violin

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 05, 2013, 04:45:22 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on February 05, 2013, 04:15:41 PM

Trollin' to stay relevant.  :violin

The new GOP motto.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 05, 2013, 05:00:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2013, 03:37:24 PM

(http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Screen-Shot-2013-02-04-at-12.37.30-PM.png)

Now he's just trolling. :lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 05, 2013, 06:44:00 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2013, 09:08:31 AM

It is huge news given his previous statements, and the impact it will have on the state. As he said, rejecting the expansion would lead to more poor people flooding emergency rooms and raising everyone's rates. This will save the state money and is the right thing to do. Kasich seems fucked in the next election regardless so I'm not sure there are political consequences. Same with Rick Scott, although I don't know which way he'll rule on this.

Meanwhile you have idiots like Bonby Jindal who would rather pile up debt than smear their 2016 record.

Meanwhile, PA Gov Tom Corbett has declined it.  Guess he doesn't want to get re-elected.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2013, 01:07:04 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyfxr-Bzwn0
(http://imageshack.us/a/img521/7718/obamax.png)

Well I know who I'm voting for in 2016

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2013, 06:40:43 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/02/dick-morris-out-at-fox-news-156210.html?hp=l2

Hope he lands on his feet somewhere.

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HAHA GET IT BECAUSE HE HAS A FOOT FETISH  aw fuck it

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Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on February 06, 2013, 07:07:18 PM

Dick Morris has had a foot in his mouth almost every day for the last 10 years.  Can't say I'm surprised.

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thats how it's done  8)

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Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2013, 10:25:58 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/levin-postpones-hagel-confirmation-vote?ref=fpb

Between his filibuster waffling and now this, Carl Levin is rapidly becoming Obama's 2nd term Max Baucus.  wtf, dipshit?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2013, 08:19:28 PM

Fox News: "Solar energy can't work in America because the sun don't shine on us no more since we elected Obama." :(

http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2013/02/07/fox_news_expert_on_solar_energy_germany_gets_a_lot_more_sun_than_we_do_video.html

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2013, 08:24:01 PM

Fox's war on solar energy is both hilarious and sad.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 10, 2013, 05:02:37 PM

What do you expect from the lap dogs of big oil?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2013, 01:49:37 PM

Ron Paul asks UN for help
...to strip the rights of RonPaul.com domain from his "supporters." (http://politics.slashdot.org/story/13/02/11/1247252/ron-paul-asks-un-for-help-geting-control-of-ronpaulcom-domain-from-fans?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 03:04:37 PM

Ron Paul has always been very proactive in making sure other people can't publish questionable material under his name.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on February 11, 2013, 03:33:46 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 11, 2013, 03:53:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 11, 2013, 03:04:37 PM

Ron Paul has always been very proactive in making sure other people can't publish questionable material under his name.

The Free Market worketh in mysterious ways.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 11, 2013, 09:56:54 PM

http://stockman.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/ted-nugent-to-join-stockman-at-state-of-the-union

Quote

Stockman will also be unveiling this week The Obama Failometer, a ten-foot-long billboard that will objectively measure the failure of Obama’s economic policies.  The Obama Failometer tracks four monthly economic indicators from the Bureau of Labor Statistics; jobs created, civilian labor force participation rate and black and Hispanic unemployment.  The figures are mathematically weighted to provide a measurement, on a scale from 1 to 1000, of just how badly Obama’s economic policies are failing.  The inaugural Monthly Obama Failometer Score is an off-the-charts 1,179.

:bow Texas :bow2

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2013, 10:04:19 PM

Just when I thought I was finished (recently defeated Joe Walsh, Allen West), they pull me back in

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 03:43:36 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 11, 2013, 09:56:54 PM

http://stockman.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/ted-nugent-to-join-stockman-at-state-of-the-union

Quote

Stockman will also be unveiling this week The Obama Failometer, a ten-foot-long billboard that will objectively measure the failure of Obama’s economic policies.  The Obama Failometer tracks four monthly economic indicators from the Bureau of Labor Statistics; jobs created, civilian labor force participation rate and black and Hispanic unemployment.  The figures are mathematically weighted to provide a measurement, on a scale from 1 to 1000, of just how badly Obama’s economic policies are failing.  The inaugural Monthly Obama Failometer Score is an off-the-charts 1,179.

:bow Texas :bow2

what the fucking fuck

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 12, 2013, 04:09:34 PM

someone needs to recalibrate their scale

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 04:13:38 PM

I like that they're pretending to care about blacks and Hispanics.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2013, 04:37:58 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on February 12, 2013, 04:09:34 PM

someone needs to recalibrate their scale

It's like they didn't even watch Spinal Tap. You're supposed to start at 10 and then go to 11. You can't just start at 11, that defeats the whole purpose.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 12, 2013, 04:47:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2013, 04:13:38 PM

I like that they're pretending to care about blacks and Hispanics.

well, we don't know how he weighted that data

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2013, 08:14:54 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/JlIVEOc.jpg)

#foxnews

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(http://i.imgur.com/XD00RMQ.jpg)

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Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2013, 08:24:36 PM

 :lol
Even at 300% growth, we would still be outspending them both. :duh

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 09:36:25 PM

fuck these republicans not clapping at science findings and fundings

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2013, 10:26:36 PM

Or the right to vote

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 10:48:01 PM

(http://assets.nationaljournal.com/img/2013SOTU/SOTUNC1050.gif)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 10:49:26 PM

Rubio is a fucking clown.  This is the dude who is supposed to be the Republican Obama?  lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 10:52:17 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BC9GR8PCUAA3OIG.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img211/4689/deadg.png)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: drew on February 12, 2013, 10:52:32 PM

nicca straight up looks like a fish. ain't nobody got time for that.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 12, 2013, 11:02:11 PM

#watergate

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2013, 11:12:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krTZCrtXLCI

*GULP* :rofl

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on February 12, 2013, 11:14:25 PM

Completely ignoring policy, Rubios performance wasn't that bad.  It would be hard, first of all, to look good after Mr. Obama no matter what.  He was way better than some of his predecessors, and the bar for Republican oratory simply isn't that high to begin with (I will admit that grabbing the water was a little awkward). 

That being said, I really hope Clinton has a folder filled with recent PPP polling and CSPAN on the telly, and I hope she's laughing maniacally right now. 

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 12, 2013, 11:18:54 PM

Looking forward to Rand Paul ripping ass during next year's response.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 11:23:06 PM

He's not a bad speaker, and certainly is better than McCain and Romney (and Paul Ryan). The problem was that his speech was almost entirely a laundry list of GOP ideology that was roundly rejected in November; he was re-litigating an already lost fight. I thought he would spend more time talking about himself, and give a basic "government is good but can't do everything" spiel to appeal to regular people. Basically, a republican version of Obama's 2004 speech. Instead he went full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2013, 12:49:37 AM

Pretty much the only way Rubio could have gotten me to give the GOP any props was to, instead of delivering a speech, do a Harlem Shake video.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 13, 2013, 12:55:12 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 13, 2013, 12:49:37 AM

Pretty much the only way Rubio could have gotten me to give the GOP any props was to, instead of delivering a speech, do a Harlem Shake video.

And then the music drops and boom, John McCain and Lindsay Graham. Youth and urban vote secured, Hillary annihilated.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 01:05:28 AM

Rubio is already close to securing my vote, after his intelligent explanation for why 2pac>Biggie

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2013, 06:19:41 AM

I'll say this about Rand Paul, at least his voice isn't as annoying as his dad's.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 13, 2013, 07:18:48 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2013, 06:19:41 AM

I'll say this about Rand Paul, at least his voice isn't as annoying as his dad's.

Quote from: Rand Paul

For the first time in history, men and women were guaranteed a chance to succeed based NOT on who your parents were but on your own initiative and desire to work….

:spin

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 13, 2013, 08:09:26 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 01:05:28 AM

Rubio is already close to securing my vote, after his intelligent explanation for why 2pac>Biggie

Anyone who says Biggie > 2pac is already suspect in my mind.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2013, 11:23:06 PM

He's not a bad speaker, and certainly is better than McCain and Romney (and Paul Ryan). The problem was that his speech was almost entirely a laundry list of GOP ideology that was roundly rejected in November; he was re-litigating an already lost fight. I thought he would spend more time talking about himself, and give a basic "government is good but can't do everything" spiel to appeal to regular people. Basically, a republican version of Obama's 2004 speech. Instead he went full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow

I wonder if they're going to keep beating that drum because they're expecting (hoping) for another recession during the second term.  Then they can say "See?" and hope that is good enough to secure a victory.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2013, 06:10:16 PM

Can anyone provide empirical data that shows that raising the minimum wage would make goods and services more expensive?  Someone is arguing that on my Facebook and I think it makes sense theoretically, but it just sounds like an endless boogeyman circulated by companies to avoid the issue of wage increases.

Also, this shit should just be adjusted for inflation.  The fact that Minnesota is still like 6 and half bucks an hour in this day and age is almost criminal.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 13, 2013, 06:21:06 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2013, 06:10:16 PM

Can anyone provide empirical data that shows that raising the minimum wage would make goods and services more expensive?

See if you can make something of this:

Quote from: http://www.cepr.net/documents/publications/min-wage-2011-03.pdf#page=3

The results for fast food, food services, retail, and low-wage establishments in San Francisco and Santa Fe support the view that a citywide minimum wages can raise the earnings of low-wage workers, without a discernible impact on their employment. Moreover, the lack of an employment response held for three full years after the implementation of the measures, allaying concerns that the shorter time periods examined in some of the earlier research on the minimum wage was not long enough to capture the true disemployment effects.

Our estimated employment responses generally cluster near zero, and are more likely to be positive than negative. Few of our point estimates are precise enough to rule out either positive or negative employment effects, but statistically significant positive employment responses outnumber statistically significant negative elasticities.

Not really what you're looking for, I guess, but that's all I've really seen today.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 13, 2013, 06:30:12 PM

That's basically what I thought.  It seems there's really no strong evidence that underlines the claim that goods and services will increase, and moreover, a higher wage realistically should have little affect on an employer in regards to cost, as long as they follow a sensible business plan.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2013, 06:38:36 PM

 The Review of Economics and Statistics did a pretty big study on it, which I've brought up many times in business classes to the disdain of conservative classmates. Matty Y with the run down
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/02/13/minimum_wage_research_the_case_for_a_higher_minimum_wage.html

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2013, 08:16:22 PM

I'm almost around to Puddles' way of thinking...

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/harry-reid-files-for-cloture-on-hagel-nomination?ref=fpb

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Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) filed for cloture on the nomination of Chuck Hagel as the secretary of defense on Wednesday, saying it was the first time in history that such a nomination faced a filibuster.

"What a shame," Reid said on the Senate floor. "But, that's the way it is."

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 13, 2013, 09:17:39 PM

Surely everyone in the Democratic party has learned by now not to trust the Republican party to be civil, but I guess not.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 13, 2013, 10:53:39 PM

If only there was a way to prevent this

ohwell

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 14, 2013, 12:34:53 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 13, 2013, 06:10:16 PM

Can anyone provide empirical data that shows that raising the minimum wage would make goods and services more expensive?  Someone is arguing that on my Facebook and I think it makes sense theoretically, but it just sounds like an endless boogeyman circulated by companies to avoid the issue of wage increases.

It should hardly raise prices at all because the contribution of minimum-wage labor to the final cost of anything is so tiny.  Can't be bothered to Google-fu up some stats right now, but it's intuitive: even in a place that uses a lot of minimum-wage workers like a retail chain, how's it going to stack up against all their other costs put together?  When you account for paying suppliers, rent, utilities, marketing, all the employees who make more than the minimum wage, how many cents of a dollar spent there go towards the people at the bottom?

Plus inflation's been consistently low since it got bumped up the last time in 2006.

So yeah, you can construct a real simple ECON201 model that shows a price floor on labor jacking up prices, but the real world's under no obligation to follow that model.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 14, 2013, 03:20:40 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 13, 2013, 10:53:39 PM

If only there was a way to prevent this

ohwell

Our democracy is crumbling into puddle of inaction and idiocracy and our best hope is that a hellfire drone will melt our faces off and end the insanity. What a shame, but that's the way it is.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 14, 2013, 04:07:13 AM

I'm really beginning to get sick of the internet's "bububu DRONES" fetish.  It's shitty, but the fact that it's really not in the President's hands really highlights how fucktarded internet faglingers are.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 14, 2013, 09:13:46 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2013, 04:07:13 AM

I'm really beginning to get sick of the internet's "bububu DRONES" fetish.  It's shitty, but the fact that it's really not in the President's hands really highlights how fucktarded internet faglingers are.

Point out all the repubs damning the drones. Oh wait, there aren't any cause Romney would be doing the same thing. Except then, those people wouldn't give a shit.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 14, 2013, 11:26:12 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 14, 2013, 04:07:13 AM

I'm really beginning to get sick of the internet's "bububu DRONES" fetish.  It's shitty, but the fact that it's really not in the President's hands really highlights how fucktarded internet faglingers are.

Not in his hands? He personally signs off on who gets killed in many cases, including the two US citizens that were killed.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 14, 2013, 11:38:02 AM

Yea, but he's a Manchurian candidate

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 14, 2013, 11:51:15 AM

Are those people terrorist sympathizers?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 14, 2013, 01:05:28 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/senate-dems-warn-still-no-60-votes-for-hagel-confirmation.php?ref=fpa

Maybe you'll learn something from this bullshit, Harry

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: tiesto on February 19, 2013, 01:11:29 PM

Obama in favor of more programming courses taught in schools. Absolutely fantastic initiative and something that he should most definitely be pushing. Hell, wanting to make games is exactly the reason why I took up programming in the first place.

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186830/Obama_Lets_give_more_kids_the_opportunity_to_make_games.php#.USKnIVqY4lY (http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/186830/Obama_Lets_give_more_kids_the_opportunity_to_make_games.php#.USKnIVqY4lY)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2013, 01:24:57 PM

on the complete other side of that, the feds are still gonna go after weed dispensaries in CO and WA

to be expected and disappointing, but eh, its federal law, it's their job to do this until there's some sort of action in Congress, which at this point, big LOL to that.

It's funny seeing gafeggits call Obama the most corrupt czar of a president ever when it comes to this issue.  Forget his entire push for health care, education reform, and economic stimulus to get the country back on track -- THINK OF THE POOR WEEDSMOKERS

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2013, 02:34:50 PM

I suppose.  It's probably unfair of me to give him a pass on this.  Well, it is unfair.  I just have a hard time drumming up any sort of a fuck in regards to marijuana and the politics of it all

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 19, 2013, 02:38:41 PM

I quite dislike Holder as well

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: brawndolicious on February 20, 2013, 02:47:06 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on February 19, 2013, 02:36:33 PM

Holder is easily one of my least favorite people in the administration as well. The guy is a disgrace.

Someone whose favorite tv show is The Wire couldn't find a Major Colvin type to install as Attorney General?

I don't think that's the image Colorado and Washington are going for. They like the idea of responsible drug use rather than a libertarian paradise.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Eric P on February 21, 2013, 02:30:26 PM

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/unlocking-the-conspiracy-mindset/

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It all started last year, when a social scientist named Stephan Lewandowsky, of the University of Western Australia, and two colleagues published a rather provocative paper. It was based on an anonymous Internet survey of the readers of climate blogs.

The title alone will give you a sense of the findings: “NASA Faked the Moon Landings – Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax.” The subtitle was “An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science.”

The strongest finding in the survey was that ideological belief in an unregulated free market tended to be a predictor of someone’s willingness to reject the findings of mainstream climate research. No great surprise there. It was the secondary findings that set off a brouhaha.

Dr. Lewandowsky’s survey results suggested that people who rejected climate science were more likely than other respondents to reject other scientific or official findings and buy into assorted fringe theories: that NASA faked the moon landing, that the Central Intelligence Agency killed Martin Luther King Jr., that the AIDS virus was unleashed by the government, and so forth.

This piece of research appeared in a specialized journal in psychological science, but it did not take long to find its way onto climate skeptics’ blogs, setting off howls of derision.

A theory quickly emerged: that believers in climate science had been the main people taking Dr. Lewandowsky’s survey, but instead of answering honestly, had decided en masse to impersonate climate contrarians, giving the craziest possible answers so as to make the contrarians look like whack jobs.

So, a paper about a tendency among this group to believe in conspiracy theories was met by … a conspiracy theory.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2013, 02:35:12 PM

http://www.kxii.com/news/ok/headlines/Bill-protecting-children-dies-in-House-committee-192092611.html

My state. I dunno, man. I didn't know that asking priests not to diddle 16 y/o's was a partisan issue.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 21, 2013, 02:47:19 PM

Quote from: Eric P on February 21, 2013, 02:30:26 PM

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/21/unlocking-the-conspiracy-mindset/

See: Alex Jones

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Eric P on February 22, 2013, 03:02:46 PM

dubstep officially over, will the last bro please turn out the lights?

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/22/opinion/brooks-the-dc-dubstep.html?_r=1&

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2013, 03:20:25 PM

He's going to model his columns after dubstep.  The inevitable sentence in the third or fourth paragraph that enrages me will be the equivalent of the drop.  The subsequent amateur-hour sociological explanation for why we shouldn't help poor people more will be the wub-wub-wub.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2013, 03:22:25 PM

Thanks Eric, I'm forwarding that to every dubstep dj I know.  Trying to get them back on drum and bass, futile but somebody's gotta do it.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2013, 10:52:08 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-Iyit8pkBE

incitement

A Waco type situation (in the south) with Obama as president would be a nightmare for this country. There are so many people just waiting for that opportunity to really go nuts.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2013, 12:14:30 AM

Holy shit Brooks got ethered tonight

Quote

Second Update: Brooks does an interview with Ezra Klein, which ends up as a total takedown. Brooks admits Obama does have a plan, but takes refuge in the claim that the Congressional Budget Office didn't score it. Klein informs him that the CBO doesn't score informal negotiating offers, but did score the elements as they appeared in Obama's budget. The best part is when Brooks asserts that a centrist Democrat like Robert Rubin would be proposing something way more moderate than what Obama is offering:

    Brooks: In my ideal world, the Obama administration would do something Clintonesque: They’d govern from the center; they’d have a budget policy that looked a lot more like what Robert Rubin would describe, and if the Republicans rejected that, moderates like me would say that’s awful, the White House really did come out with a centrist plan.

    Klein: But I’ve read Robert Rubin’s tax plan. He wants $1.8 trillion in new revenues.

That is a brutal bluff-calling.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/02/david-brooks-obama-plan-birther.html
:rofl

The interview is basically the political equivalent of When Mark Cuban Met Skip Bayless

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 23, 2013, 10:27:56 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/02/ted-cruz-responds-harvard-law-was-full-of-communists.html

Ted Cruz has only been a Senator for all of one month, but he's already the most obnoxious Senator in history.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2013, 10:30:03 PM

Quote

Cruz’s spokesman called it “curious” that The New Yorker would cover Cruz’s speech “three years” after he gave it.

You mean like how Cruz is demanding every speech Chuck Hagel ever gave is thoroughly investigated?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 23, 2013, 10:34:57 PM

"That happened THREE years ago, I was a different person back then! You can't use that against me, because I say so!"

Obama's birth certificate, the school Obama went to in Indonesia, Obama's college records, ect. ect.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2013, 01:21:37 PM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/02/23/foxs-huckabee-compares-insurance-for-pre-existi/192784

Huckabee is an absolutely disgusting human being.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Positive Touch on February 24, 2013, 01:50:16 PM

that christian spirit

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Positive Touch on February 24, 2013, 01:50:42 PM

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Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2013, 01:58:10 PM

So bros any plans for the upcoming recession? I'm stocking up on pretzels and cheese dip. Dat sequestration

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2013, 07:26:34 PM

I'm stocking up on Steam games to keep me nourished and entertained.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on February 24, 2013, 08:09:38 PM

I'm chucking all my Hillary 2016 merchandise  :'(

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Oblivion on February 25, 2013, 04:09:12 PM

Right wing radio host: That goddamn socialist Obama loves the rich too much! (http://readingisforsnobs.blogspot.com/2013/02/conservative-radio-host-fuck-it-i-just.html)  :maf

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"Yes, seven out of the top ten richest people in congress happen to be Democrats. President Barack Obama is the one who got us into this crisis that we're in right now with these budget cuts as you just mentioned statistically and he's sitting there playing this rich vs. poor man card when he's the one that allowed the payroll tax to go up that takes away sixteen bags of groceries for an average working family right now in this country.

“So I look at the stats and say, look at Nancy Pelosi, she didn’t want to get a pay cut. In fact, she wanted a pay increase, even talking about lowering her salary right now is beneath the dignity of her job. So you tell me who actually is a rich person looking out for rich people. Republicans are looking out for average Americans.”

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Oblivion on February 26, 2013, 05:11:37 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1iRdUwnFWo

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2013, 09:11:28 AM

Repubicans are all over the map on the Sequester. The Sequester is Obama's fault, he invented it, but we want spending cuts too so we want credit for those, but we don't want all the bad parts to happen, but it's probably not gonna be that bad anyway so we want it to go ahead and happen, but if it is bad, you should definitely blame Obama, who is lying about how bad it's gonna be and he needs to stop campaigning and come back to Washington to negotiate over the Sequester, but we might not want to negotiate anyway because maybe we kinda want it to happen, but we're still mad that Obama invented it and it's all his fault.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 26, 2013, 09:19:34 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2013, 09:11:28 AM

Repubicans are all over the map on the Sequester. The Sequester is Obama's fault, he invented it, but we want spending cuts too so we want credit for those, but we don't want all the bad parts to happen, but it's probably not gonna be that bad anyway so we want it to go ahead and happen, but if it is bad, you should definitely blame Obama, who is lying about how bad it's gonna be and he needs to stop campaigning and come back to Washington to negotiate over the Sequester, but we might not want to negotiate anyway because maybe we kinda want it to happen, but we're still mad that Obama invented it and it's all his fault.

Don't forget that Obama wants to increase spending like a Socialist

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2013, 09:22:14 AM

Except when he's cutting spending because it's wrong kind of spending cuts. THERE'S A SMARTER WAY TO CUT SPENDING! (don't ask us what it is)

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2013, 01:02:14 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2013/02/25/Farrakhan-Endorses-Hagel-As-A-Secretary-of-Defense-Who-Will-Save-America-From-Wars-For-Israel
 :drudge :drudge :drudge

71-27 cloture ended. Another victory for the conservative movement

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 26, 2013, 07:19:15 PM

Dennis Rodman is apparently in North Korea right now: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/02/26/dennis-rodmans-bizarre-trip-to-north-korea-is-it-also-unethical/

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2013, 03:12:19 PM

Can something please happen to Scalia? I don't mean, like, DIE or anything, but just...go away. Can he be made to go away? I'm not a Constitutional law scholar, but it just seems like the kind of thing that should be possible somehow.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 27, 2013, 03:19:25 PM

nah pretty sure I want him to fucking die

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Steve Contra on February 27, 2013, 03:20:09 PM

He would need to impeached.  His quote today was something you expect tohear tossed off at a tea party rally, and not from a supreme court justice.

Also how many times has Clerence Thomas asked questions in court?  Is there somewhere I could find this out?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2013, 03:22:28 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 27, 2013, 03:20:09 PM

Also how many times has Clerence Thomas asked questions in court?  Is there somewhere I could find this out?

He uttered a sentence a few months ago and it was major news. That kind of tells you all you need to know, really.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2013, 05:28:55 PM

Thomas has basically had a moratorium for years now on asking questions.  Though at least in these politically charged cases the "questions" are mostly thinly-veiled arguments from justices whose votes are already decided.

If I had one wish to inflict on Scalia, it's that he would wake up realizing with perfect clarity that he's much less smart than the bullshit self-aggrandizing image he spent decades cultivating, and bereft of the ability to rationalize it or keep on fooling himself.

Conservatives trying to retcon the civil rights movement should be funny, but it always gets my jimmies super-rustled.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2013, 05:37:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 27, 2013, 03:20:09 PM

He would need to impeached.  His quote today was something you expect tohear tossed off at a tea party rally, and not from a supreme court justice.

Also how many times has Clerence Thomas asked questions in court?  Is there somewhere I could find this out?

He told a joke in court earlier this year, breaking a years long silence.

Sotomayor was very taken aback by the comment apparently. It's quite the stunning admission I'd expect from Glen Beck, not a supreme justice

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2013, 05:42:14 PM

For those unaware, this is what Scalia said:

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/02/scalia-attacks-congress-for-renewing-voting-rights-act.php?ref=fpa

“I don’t think there is anything to be gained by any Senator to vote against continuation of this act,” Scalia said during oral arguments in Shelby County v. Holder. “They are going to lose votes if they do not reenact the Voting Rights Act. Even the name of it is wonderful — the Voting Rights Act. Who is going to vote against that in the future?”

At issue was the constitutionality of Section 5 of the 1965 law, which requires state and local governments with a history of racial discrimination to pre-clear any changes to their voting laws with the Justice Department prior to enacting them.

Congress has renewed the law four times, most recently in 2006 for a period of 25 years. The margin of victory was 99-0 in the Senate and 390-33 in the House.

Scalia attributed the repeated renewal of Section 5 to a “perpetuation of racial entitlement.” He said, “Whenever a society adopts racial entitlements, it is very difficult to get out of them through the normal political processes.”

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“This is not the kind of question you can leave to Congress,” he said.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2013, 05:45:51 PM

He does understand that this doesn't actually give any race or ethnicity extra rights, it just safeguards a universal benefit of citizenship in areas where it was historically abrogated?

It's not like black people got to bank that unused 2/5ths of a vote and then spent it to elect Obama.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2013, 05:51:02 PM

On one hand I can't get too down on the general direction of oral arguments and the tea leaf readings it produces; after all the ACA looked DOA in oral arguments, and most journalists totally ignored the signals Roberts was sending (I remember Brian Beutler seeing Roberts' path months before the ruling). But this time I'm less confident in anything other than a 5-4 curb stomp. Roberts has been fighting the VRA since the Reagan era, he's going to shoot this down.

Unless Kennedy changes course, which I haven't seen any evidence of, it's going to get struck down. This was a pretty fucking frivolous case too.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2013, 07:16:00 PM

Is there any good reason why the Voting Rights Act shouldn't just be extended to the entire country?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 27, 2013, 07:32:37 PM

gubmint co-rupsion, dude

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2013, 08:21:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2013, 07:16:00 PM

Is there any good reason why the Voting Rights Act shouldn't just be extended to the entire country?

If we keep protecting the rights of blacks to vote, they'll keep voting.  It's just like feeding wild animals!

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2013, 08:51:56 PM

It's not like the right to vote is in the constitution like guns are, or anything!

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 27, 2013, 09:49:32 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 27, 2013, 08:21:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2013, 07:16:00 PM

Is there any good reason why the Voting Rights Act shouldn't just be extended to the entire country?

If we keep protecting the rights of blacks to vote, they'll keep voting.  It's just like feeding wild animals!

But that same right would be protecting whites in the future, hedging against black, socialist rule.  :babylawd

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on February 28, 2013, 01:01:38 PM

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/02/21/how-reagan-promoted-genocide/

:usa

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2013, 02:03:02 PM

The history books 100+ years from now are going to give Reagan a beating, I think.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2013, 03:36:20 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/21118/large/bloomberghousing.jpeg?1362074554)
 :larry

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2013, 03:38:18 PM

Somebody at Bloomberg is getting fired this week.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2013, 03:39:28 PM

lol, minorities :lol

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2013, 03:40:03 PM

My favorite part is the dog that's trippin ballz.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2013, 03:57:06 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2013, 03:38:18 PM

Somebody at Bloomberg is getting fired this week.

Shouldn't they fire a black person as well as a white person? #BalancedApproach #equality #tcot #ObamaAmerica

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on February 28, 2013, 11:09:58 PM

t-minus 1 hour until SEQUESTMAGEDDON.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2013, 11:22:34 PM

oh shit I completely forgot about that

so is that shit actually happening?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2013, 11:23:59 PM

christ, it is.  fucking congress, assholes.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2013, 11:24:52 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 28, 2013, 11:22:34 PM

oh shit I completely forgot about that

so is that shit actually happening?

Congess already skipped town without a deal being made. Of course, most people are ready to blame Republicans for anything bad resulting from the sequester, so I'm not sure how shooting down the last chance to avoid the sequester really helped them.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2013, 11:28:00 PM

RIP economic recovery, hello UK austerity

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 28, 2013, 11:39:09 PM

Can't they just, like, come back and kick the can more?

christ just get rid of the sequester, period.  no one fucking likes it.

Although I'm okay with decreased military spending

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Barry Egan on February 28, 2013, 11:39:38 PM

Quote

RIP economic recovery, hello UK austerity

if this were the fiscal cliff that would be true, yes. 

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2013, 08:45:19 AM

Obama's reckless spending is now replaced by his reckless cutting. You can have it both ways.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2013, 04:30:54 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on February 28, 2013, 11:39:38 PM

Quote

RIP economic recovery, hello UK austerity

if this were the fiscal cliff that would be true, yes.

750k jobs lost will still have a pretty profound impact, though.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2013, 06:06:40 PM

The Senate bill was pointless either way cause it wouldn't have come to the floor in the House, no?  It was basically a symbolic bill from the Dems so they could show they were trying to solve the problem and point to a benchmark of what their version would look like.  Or did I miss something in negotiations?

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2013, 06:41:08 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2013, 06:06:40 PM

The Senate bill was pointless either way cause it wouldn't have come to the floor in the House, no?  It was basically a symbolic bill from the Dems so they could show they were trying to solve the problem and point to a benchmark of what their version would look like.  Or did I miss something in negotiations?

You're correct. It's just a hot potato blame game. Eventually something needs to be done because removing 750k jobs from an already weak economy is a recipe for recession. I heard Obama on the radio rhetorically asking wtf he's supposed to do when GOP leadership won't pass anything he proposes. Why not get McCain, Graham, and some other hawks from the senate and House in a room and come up with $82b in spending cuts and revenue to replace the sequester. It would pass the senate, and then use that to bludgeon Boehner with if he refuses to bring it to the floor.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2013, 09:14:05 PM

I think those Gang of X negotiations can only really work with the tacit endorsement of the parties.

Leading up to the fiscal cliff, IIRC, Boehner basically gave the Senate GOP a green light to reach their own deal, with the expectation that it would get a floor vote in the House (which he badgered his caucus into accepting).

If the House GOP leadership doesn't pass the responsibility for negotiating to the Senate, then the idea of cutting a side-deal gets way messier, for the same reason you pointed out it would be good for Obama.  Without an understanding in place that any negotiated solution would get seriously considered, the end result would just be a dead-end bill that only served as a political cudgel for Obama to use against Boehner.  Pretty much everyone involved (and excluded for that matter) would understand this.  Boehner would flip out on Mitch McConnell, who would let the rest of the caucus know the deal.


It's not strictly impossible that it could happen.  But you'd need at least five GOP Senators willing to break ranks in a very disruptive way, because of strong personal feelings about some aspect of the policy involved, or whatever.  I'm really, really, really skeptical that would happen in general, and also in particular with McCain (who seems to still hate That One (http://rkykrDu32Wo)) and Graham (who's got a South Carolina primary coming in a year and a half).

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2013, 10:13:57 PM

In that scenario Boehner actively lobbies a small group of Republicans to vote with the Democrats.  For a bill that just passed the Senate without a single Republican vote, with no GOP input in the process.  Which raises taxes on the rich and has no cuts to social welfare programs.*

Nope.

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*Unless you count farm subsidies.  ha ha ha

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Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2013, 03:09:17 PM

Thread title edited to reflect the current norm.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2013, 07:13:27 PM

http://henrymakow.com/2013/03/men-take-your-mind-off-sex.html

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2013, 07:15:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2013, 07:13:27 PM

http://henrymakow.com/2013/03/men-take-your-mind-off-sex.html

From that page:

(http://i.imgur.com/4ts6yVJ.jpg)

:lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2013, 08:34:31 PM

His twitter feed is pretty awesome too:

Quote

Masonic Muslim Brotherhood has secret societies in 80 countries dedicated to Illuminati agenda

 :leo

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2013, 09:28:03 PM

Just saw on Krugman's blog that Josh Trevino's had to come clean about being paid off by the Malaysian government/ruling party to propagandize for them in the US media.

Not a huge name, but I remember when he wrote as Tacitus during the early, formative years of the political blogosphere, when people still linked across partisan lines and it wasn't as apparent that Glenn Reynolds had gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.  Trevino/Tacitus got a reputation one of the most Reasonable Conservatives who you could carry on a conversation with even if you disagreed, even though he'd do shit like posting pictures of Saddam's victims and telling people that's what they supported if they opposed the war.

Glad to see him get popped.


edit: Also he apparently delegated some work to Ben Domenech, who was the guy the WashPost hired to be its in-house conservative blogger before he got fired for a previous plagiarism scandal.  Tsk tsk.

edit 2: Apparently this story's been developing for a couple of years.  I blame Kevin Drum.  If he were still blogging as Calpundit I never woulda missed this.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2013, 09:58:49 PM

So I guess Maylasia's not that great after all?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 02, 2013, 11:09:04 PM

Surprised to hear that about Trevino. He was on Bill Maher's show a few weeks back and if you didn't already know who he was, you wouldn't even think he was a conservative.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2013, 11:21:52 PM

Ghostwriting, another parallel between blogging and hip hop  :wow

*rushes to tweet this to Dave Weigel and hope for another RT*

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2013, 11:29:45 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2013, 09:58:49 PM

So I guess Maylasia's not that great after all?

What?  Some guy got paid over $100k/year to write biased opinion stuff on the web.  I do that for free!  They sound like awesome guys and I should get them my contact info.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2013, 02:11:43 PM

The rematch you've all been waiting for, live taped tonight on Monday Night Smackdown:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/joe-scarborough-paul-krugman_n_2805439.html

Will Krugman punch Joe right in his stupid face? Tune in to find out!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2013, 03:14:16 PM

Fuck, that would be like me debating PD on milfs.  Someone is clearly out of their area of expertise in this endeavor.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2013, 05:09:51 PM

I'm totally buying this

http://www.etsy.com/listing/125362057/bill-clinton-the-lady-killer-hq-11x17

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2013, 05:11:07 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/trouble-brewing-jeb-bush-backs-off-past-support-for-path-to-citizenship.php?ref=fpblg

RIP immigration reform, RIP Marco Rubio

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 04, 2013, 06:23:44 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 04, 2013, 03:14:16 PM

Fuck, that would be like me debating PD on milfs.  Someone is clearly out of their area of expertise in this endeavor.

Krugman already admitting he sucked: http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/04/urk-charlie-rose-edition/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2013, 06:49:04 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2013, 02:11:43 PM

The rematch you've all been waiting for, live taped tonight on Monday Night Smackdown:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/04/joe-scarborough-paul-krugman_n_2805439.html

Will Krugman punch Joe right in his stupid face? Tune in to find out!

Nope! K-thug admitted he got his ass whooped:

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/paul-krugman-joe-scarborough-bested-me


We're all living in Scarborough country now. :bow :bow :bow

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2013, 06:55:48 PM

 :lol

wow

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2013, 07:22:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59cg62wqpY

well fuck

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2013, 08:24:20 PM

Note to self: DO NOT WATCH MORNING JOE TOMORROW. I don't want to have to kill myself that early in the morning.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2013, 09:17:23 PM

I went from "fuck yeah I'm gonna watch this" to "are you fucking kidding me" to a probable media black out tomorrow, and plan on running Path of Exile race from 10-1 tonight so I'm not fucking tempted to watch it after all.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 04, 2013, 09:26:41 PM

Mandark, are you ok? Post if you are ok.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2013, 09:42:50 PM

I only found out that this throwdown was gonna happen when I found out it had gone bad, so I missed everyone hyping themselves up.  So I was spared the emotional rollercoaster.


edit: Though why did everyone expect that Krugman was going to destroy Scarborough?  Cause expertise and intellectual honesty is rewarded in the cable-yak format?  I love Krugman, but his style only works when people's arguments are committed to text and easily nailed down, where he can take as much or as little space to explain the history of an issue as he wants, and can futz around making graphs at the Bureau of Labor Statistics' site.

If you want to clobber someone in the Morning Joe format, you need to go Full Biden.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 04, 2013, 09:44:44 PM

Yeah, I hadn't heard about it, either. I'm definitely still interested in watching it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2013, 09:50:08 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2013, 02:11:43 PM

Will Krugman punch Joe right in his stupid face?

Well, this is clearly what should have happened.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2013, 10:19:14 PM

But Krugman has clobbered Morning Joe before, on the show, without going full Bidentard. He does the same every time he's on ABC's sunday morning show too.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2013, 10:29:14 PM

FUCKING SHIT

Died in the PoE race.  Welp, guess I'm watching this turd after all.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2013, 10:41:09 PM

god dammit I was watching Spartacus, didn't know a race was happening.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2013, 10:55:43 PM

too late lol

Aaaaaaaand it's not even showing here until 12 am WTF MAN

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2013, 11:21:55 PM

Where's the debate supposed to air?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2013, 01:04:43 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 04, 2013, 11:21:55 PM

Where's the debate supposed to air?

It was on Charlie Rose's PBS show.

I just watched it.

I have to be completely honest... maybe it's just because a) I'm not a fucktard b) I'm predisposed to believing what he's selling anyway c) Scarborough is a disingenuous turdburglar, but as someone who has a slightly above average grasp of macroeconomics, it was pretty apparent to me that Krugman showed up to talk at the adult table and Morning Dolt showed up to talk on the level of, say, the conversation Kosma and I had the other day in the Nintendo vs. Sega thread.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 05, 2013, 01:09:04 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 05, 2013, 01:04:43 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 04, 2013, 11:21:55 PM

Where's the debate supposed to air?

It was on Charlie Rose's PBS show.

I just watched it.

I have to be completely honest... maybe it's just because a) I'm not a fucktard b) I'm predisposed to believing what he's selling anyway c) Scarborough is a disingenuous turdburglar, but as someone who has a slightly above average grasp of macroeconomics, it was pretty apparent to me that Krugman showed up to talk at the adult table and Morning Dolt showed up to talk on the level of, say, the conversation Kosma and I had the other day in the Nintendo vs. Sega thread.

Well, I think Krugman said that in his NYT post that this was the problem.

Mandark laid it out well in his post.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 05, 2013, 01:13:51 AM

I've got to be honest, I don't know how Krugman didn't murder everyone on set when Charlie Rose quoted him TOM FRIEDMAN.  It's like a moebius strip of stupidity at that point.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2013, 03:52:38 PM

So, now that Chavez is dead, what's going to happen in Venezuela?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2013, 06:43:09 PM

Quote from: Borys on March 06, 2013, 06:31:06 PM

Why aren't you dudes reporting on the #filibuster that's going on? They are already speaking for 8 hours.

"They" is one dude, and it's all for show

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 06, 2013, 06:51:40 PM

Although the point he brings up about drones is pretty important.  But hey it's Rand Paul so lets all us liberals just laugh and forget it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2013, 06:53:24 PM

I like it. I support the general idea of drone use but Paul is filibustering based on Holder telling him the president is authorized to use drones against US citizens on US soil. I'll give Paul dap.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2013, 09:00:29 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 06, 2013, 06:51:40 PM

Although the point he brings up about drones is pretty important.  But hey it's Rand Paul so lets all us liberals just laugh and forget it.

The reason that civil liberties have been successfully shredded over the past dozen+ years while, say, gun "rights" haven't been is that there are no important, vocal groups that have stood up for it, and the reason behind that is that most of the population doesn't give a shit.  Fucked up but true.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2013, 09:28:23 PM

Yep.

Also, most people figure that they're never going to be in danger of being hit by a drone strike, and they're right.  The logic of the policy is fairly horrific (war involves killing without due process + the enemies could be anywhere from any nation + no chance of formally ending war with surrender + evidence that someone's a terrorist protected as a state secret = go-ahead to kill anyone, anywhere with fuck-all accountability) but the policy doesn't actually lead to the dystopian nightmare that it implies.

Maybe if we could somehow link this to people not pirating free shit you'd get a similar-sized backlash to PIPA/SOPA.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2013, 09:39:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 06, 2013, 09:28:23 PM

Maybe if we could somehow link this to people not pirating free shit you'd get a similar-sized backlash to PIPA/SOPA.

http://www.fastcompany.com/3005100/mpaa-lobbying-drones-movie-industry

Quote

New documents reveal that the Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA) is pressing the federal government to legalize Unmanned Aerial Vehicle (UAV) use in the film industry. In a lobbying disclosure report filed this week, the MPAA disclosed a lobbying campaign aimed at the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) to approve unarmed drone use in domestic airspace. The MPAA's lobbying efforts are aimed at reducing legal confusion about filmmakers using UAVs for aerial shots.

The Hill's Brendan Sasso reports that the MPAA wants UAVs in filmmakers' hands; according to an organization spokesperson, UAVs are cheaper, safer, and easier to use for aerial shots than cranes or helicopters. Drones are currently being quietly used for aerial shoots in Hollywood, causing fears that crane operators could lose lucrative filming gigs.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2013, 09:48:39 PM

We need to use a drone strike on Chris Dodd.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2013, 09:53:02 PM

remember when Chris Dodd was throwing shit at Obama over Pakistan/Bin Laden?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn6ZneR2ias
 :ufup

:rejoice Obama tapping that ass :rejoice

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2013, 10:34:00 PM

Imagine a future where left-wing pinko thugs like Michael Moore, Jane Fonda and Sean Penn go to the White House because Grandma accidentally downloaded "Milk" trying to order a half gallon off the internet and ask for her addition to the Disposition Matrix.

And Obama just secret Muslim fist bumps every single one of them...

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2013, 11:19:54 PM

Rubio just quoted Jay Z  :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 07, 2013, 01:01:11 AM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/kirsten-powers-confronts-oreilly-over-shoutfest-with-colmes-bill-you-are-a-hundred-percent-wrong/

 :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp :derp

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 07, 2013, 06:01:13 AM

Why would anybody respect what Rand Paul was doing? There's no selfless reason to support using drone strikes overseas but not next-door.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2013, 08:54:21 AM

The only reason we get Rand Paul is because Kentucky.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 07, 2013, 11:39:26 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 06, 2013, 09:00:29 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 06, 2013, 06:51:40 PM

Although the point he brings up about drones is pretty important.  But hey it's Rand Paul so lets all us liberals just laugh and forget it.

The reason that civil liberties have been successfully shredded over the past dozen+ years while, say, gun "rights" haven't been is that there are no important, vocal groups that have stood up for it, and the reason behind that is that most of the population doesn't give a shit.  Fucked up but true.

That used to be the job of liberals :'(

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2013, 12:59:01 PM

The ACLU was never really powerful, and in the "post 9/11" world everyone is only too happy to exchange OUR FREEDOMS for (the illusion of) safety.

Everyone to the left of center is too busy being happy that it's a generally accepted idea that gay people should have basic rights to care about civil liberties.  Unless you're Glenn Greenwald, in which case you're an unpleasant person no one wants to be around anyway.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2013, 01:26:17 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 07, 2013, 12:59:01 PM

The ACLU was never really powerful, and in the "post 9/11" world everyone is only too happy to exchange OUR FREEDOMS for (the illusion of) safety.

Everyone to the left of center is too busy being happy that it's a generally accepted idea that gay people should have basic rights to care about civil liberties.  Unless you're Glenn Greenwald, in which case you're an unpleasant person no one wants to be around anyway.

You'll have to pry my freedom to not let gays get married and have gay abortions out of my cold dead hands. :maf

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2013, 02:00:44 PM

IF Mcain and fucking Linsay Graham are mocking Randall Paul, then maybe Paul wasn't so off base?  :ohhh

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2013, 02:02:21 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 07, 2013, 02:00:44 PM

IF Mcain and fucking Linsay Graham are mocking Randall Paul, then maybe Paul wasn't so off base?  :ohhh

Or they want people to THINK that Rand Paul wasn't off base, at which point they will pull the rug out from under everyone and go "Nope, he was actually wrong all along!"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 07, 2013, 02:54:07 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 07, 2013, 11:39:26 AM

That used to be the job of liberals :'(

But the big pushes for civil rights/liberties came when you had large groups of people being affected, who served as the core activist constituency.  Blacks, women, gays, etc.  And the victories happened as the rest of the public became sympathetic to their goals.

The increasing leeway for how the government deals with those it deems terrorists is like the increasing restrictions on sex offenders after they leave prison: lousy policy that's very possibly unconstitutional, but targeted at a small group that most people feel deserve punishment.  There's no organized Molester Lobby to speak of, and if there were no politician would be caught dead dealing with them.  So the ACLU keeps plugging away hoping the courts do the right thing, but we've seen enough recently to know you can't count on that.

It doesn't help that the people most vocal about this are clueless about the political process or deliberately alienating potential allies, but it's not like it matters.  We'd need an inadvertent drone strike on a blonde 19 year old college girl before people would give a shit.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 07, 2013, 04:05:47 PM

The concerns about using drones to spy/attack American citizens is legit, but would the right be this up in arms about the use of drones on American citizens if they held the White House? I know the answer is obvious, but I'm not sure they would be.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 05:10:47 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 07, 2013, 04:05:47 PM

The concerns about using drones to spy/attack American citizens is legit, but would the right be this up in arms about the use of drones on American citizens if they held the White House? I know the answer is obvious, but I'm not sure they would be.

*checks 2007 for drone outrage among republicans, finds none*

I guess to be fair, Bush didn't assassinate any US citizens whereas Obama has. But something tells me if Bush had assassinated al-Awlaki (and his son) conservatives would argue he had waived his constitutional rights by taking up arms against the US.

I can just imagine Jennifer Rubin defending it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2013, 07:04:36 PM

Quote

Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) announced Thursday he will not seek reelection in 2014. The six-term, 78-year-old senator wrote in a statement that he and his wife "struggled" with whether to retire but decided he could better focus on issues such as reforming the Tax Code and boosting manufacturing over the the next two years "without the distraction of campaigning for reelection."

Granholm's going to run for this isn't she.  :-\

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 05:10:47 PM

But something tells me if Bush had assassinated al-Awlaki (and his son) conservatives would argue he had waived his constitutional rights by taking up arms against the US.

Is the "something" the ones who were already doing it? Mark Levin was screaming about this earlier how everyone "standing with Rand" needs to be aware and cautious because libertarians might try to use this to give DUE PROCESS RIGHTS TO FOREIGN TRAITORS OR DO OTHER STUFF TO UNDERMINE THE WAR EFFORT.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 09:17:04 PM

I'm not voting for Granholm, fuck that.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2013, 11:34:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 09:17:04 PM

I'm not voting for Granholm, fuck that.

Thought you'd learned your lesson with Snyder, dummy.  I don't care if they boost Kwame from jail and run him, your ass is voting for the Democrat.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 11:50:18 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 07, 2013, 11:34:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 09:17:04 PM

I'm not voting for Granholm, fuck that.

Thought you'd learned your lesson with Snyder, dummy.  I don't care if they boost Kwame from jail and run him, your ass is voting for the Democrat.

I'll write in Lyndon LaRoushe. He's an FDR democrat afterall

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 07, 2013, 11:51:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 11:50:18 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 07, 2013, 11:34:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2013, 09:17:04 PM

I'm not voting for Granholm, fuck that.

Thought you'd learned your lesson with Snyder, dummy.  I don't care if they boost Kwame from jail and run him, your ass is voting for the Democrat.

I'll write in Lyndon LaRoushe. He's an FDR democrat afterall

 :badass

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2013, 11:53:24 PM

It's going to screw with the Governor's race, some of the potential candidates like Peters, Schauer, Duggan, etc. could run for Senate instead.

Virg again by default would be great. :lol There's also been rumors that Fieger wants to run for something, maybe Governor again.  :teehee

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2013, 12:02:40 AM

Fieger is the white Johnny Cochran :bow

benjipwns what do you think about Detroit potentially electing Mike Duggan, the great white hope, as mayor?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2013, 12:23:07 AM

Everybody seems convinced he's just using it as a springboard for Governor, seems like he's raising way too much money for a mayoral campaign. Especially since he may not even be able to do anything as mayor for a year or more depending on what the state does. So he could just sit back and bitch about Snyder for 6 months and then run against him. (While letting the state clean things up so he can avoid being the bad guy but also point to any "turnaround.")

I did see a poll a couple weeks ago I think where Duggan doesn't poll nearly as well against a non-Dave Bing black person as he does against Dave Bing. Was like 60-10 against Bing and 40-30 against a generic black person. (Somebody should seriously run a poll with this as the option. Like they do with Generic Democrat or Generic Republican. There were rumors that pollsters were seeing Duggan's support drop quite a bit if they mentioned he was white.)

This guy doesn't seem to be in favor of Duggan though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Wx9FLlY-o

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lq2ee0eWeU

[close]

I do think Kwame would easily win if he somehow was a candidate.  :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on March 08, 2013, 03:41:19 AM

jesus christ nk scares me

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2013, 11:40:23 AM

236k jobs, unemployment falls to 7.7. Housing market is really spurring growth
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2013/03/zelman-nirvana-for-housing.html?m=1

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 08, 2013, 12:27:51 PM

back to 8 after the sequester  :smug

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2013, 12:46:28 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 08, 2013, 12:27:51 PM

back to 8 after the sequester  :smug

THANKS OBAMA

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 08, 2013, 01:26:04 PM

Conservative provocateur James O'Keefe agreed on Thursday to shell out $100,000 to former ACORN employee Juan Carlos Vera to settle a longstanding lawsuit. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/07/james-okeefe-juan-carlos-vera_n_2832338.html)

(http://i.imgur.com/QjYjGa4.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2013, 01:38:22 PM

I'm sure that $100k will be paid for out of the Koch fund.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2013, 06:13:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eANj0IJ4h4

smh

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 08, 2013, 06:23:10 PM

I will bet you anything Steve Doocey actually believed he was speaking with Thomas Jefferson in this interview. 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2013, 06:38:50 PM

It's nice that Fox News is giving jobs to mentally ill people.

I'm referring to the hosts, of course.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2013, 07:22:48 PM

No one asked him how Sally is doing huh
 :orly

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 08, 2013, 08:23:44 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2013, 10:45:25 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/poll-rubio-trails-hillary-big-time-among-latinos.php?ref=fpb

Well then!  It's almost like BS identity politics only works at the margins or something.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2013, 11:12:57 PM

It's still pretty early. Back in 2006/2007, Hillary led Obama significantly amongst African Americans.

Obviously Hillary shouldn't have much of a problem against anyone in 2016, barring some economic disaster or major scandal during Obama's final term. Rubio has time to improve his numbers, perhaps by passing immigration reform. Still Hispanics are surprisingly liberal on most issues and I'd expect their votes to mirror that in the future.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2013, 12:48:28 AM

From Mr. Freedom Fries new book:

http://www.indystar.com/article/20130308/NEWS05/303080073?nclick_check=1

lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2013, 12:52:12 AM

Quote

KABUL, Afghanistan (AP) — Afghan officials say there was an explosion outside the Afghan defense ministry causing multiple casualties, as U.S. defense secretary Chuck Hagel visits the country.

Afghan police spokesman Hashmat Stanekzai says an apparent suicide attacker on a bicycle hit the main entrance to the defense ministry around 9 a.m. local time. Officials are still trying to determine the number of casualties.

Hagel was in a meeting at a coalition facility in Kabul and defense officials say he is in a safe location and unharmed. Reporters traveling with Hagel were in a briefing when they heard the explosion, and were moved to a lower floor of the same building. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/suicide-bomb-attack-as-hagel-visits-kabul.php?ref=fpa
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkyskI13KOs

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 09, 2013, 01:08:36 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2013, 11:12:57 PM

It's still pretty early. Back in 2006/2007, Hillary led Obama significantly amongst African Americans.

Obviously Hillary shouldn't have much of a problem against anyone in 2016, barring some economic disaster or major scandal during Obama's final term. Rubio has time to improve his numbers, perhaps by passing immigration reform. Still Hispanics are surprisingly liberal on most issues and I'd expect their votes to mirror that in the future.

Obama wasn't even sworn in as senator until 2007, most Americans hadn't even heard of him. Rubio is as much of a stop superstar right now as he'll ever be before winning the nomination. Plus his actual policies will only push hispanics away.

He won't get white republicans to vote for him in the primaries unless they feel he's a guarantee to get the hispanic vote, which will highlight the fact that he's a Cuban token offering a worse deal on immigration than the other side.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2013, 01:25:29 AM

Wut. Obama was elected to the US senate in November 2004, and sworn in with the rest of the class in January 2005  ???

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2013, 01:27:31 AM

Plus he'd already won a Grammy by 2006. :rock

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2013, 01:35:43 AM

That keynote he gave at the 2004 DNC was pretty famous.

Anyway, because it's fun to look back at this stuff, here's a mid-Feb 2005 Marist poll:

Quote

Hillary Clinton 39%, John Kerry 21%, John Edwards 15%, Joe Biden 5%, Wesley Clark 4%, Russ Feingold 2%, Bill Richardson 2%, Evan Bayh 1%, Mark Warner 1%

Quote

Rudy Giuliani 25%, John McCain 21%, Condoleezza Rice 14%, Jeb Bush 7%, Newt Gingrich 5%, Bill Frist 3%, Rick Santorum 1%, George Pataki 1%, Mitt Romney 1%, Bill Owens 2%

Quote

Hillary Clinton   42%   John McCain   54%
John Kerry   37%   John McCain   55%
Hillary Clinton   47%   Rudy Giuliani   49%
John Kerry   44%   Rudy Giuliani   50%
John Edwards   39%   John McCain   51%
John Edwards   43%   Rudy Giuliani   49%
Hillary Clinton   51%   Condoleezza Rice   43%

Since he's no longer employed at Fox, Dick should use his free time to get his wife to update and re-release this:
(http://matthewashton.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/condi_vs_hillary.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 09, 2013, 01:38:21 AM

that book blows my mind because it means Dick Morris once wrote something prescient.    Rice is doing really well in polling for 2016. 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2013, 01:47:32 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on March 09, 2013, 01:38:21 AM

that book blows my mind because it means Dick Morris once wrote something prescient.    Rice is doing really well in polling for 2016.

IE the republican base doesn't know she's a pro choice lesbian?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2013, 04:26:14 AM

Yeah, Rice right now is like Colin Powell circa 1993.  Lots of people recognize her and have a vaguely positive opinion, but she's never run for elected office and holds views at odds with her party.

She's a lot better suited to polling well three years out than for actually getting the nomination.  Though I'd sort of like to see the trainwreck of Limbaugh, O'Reilly et al attacking a semi-credible Condi Rice candidacy while trying (or not) to avoid being outright sexist or racist as they do it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2013, 08:45:16 AM

Limbaugh's never seen a sexist remark he didn't like.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 09, 2013, 04:55:37 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2013, 01:25:29 AM

Wut. Obama was elected to the US senate in November 2004, and sworn in with the rest of the class in January 2005  ???

I thought he came in during the 2006 democrat wave. TBF, whether it was 2 years or 4 years, he was still very new to the national spotlight and you couldn't expect most people to know who he was until 2008.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2013, 05:07:11 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on March 09, 2013, 04:55:37 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2013, 01:25:29 AM

Wut. Obama was elected to the US senate in November 2004, and sworn in with the rest of the class in January 2005  ???

I thought he came in during the 2006 democrat wave. TBF, whether it was 2 years or 4 years, he was still very new to the national spotlight and you couldn't expect most people to know who he was until 2008.

He had already written a best selling novel and given one of the more noteworthy speeches in recent times - I'd say he was a lot more well known nationally than Rubio is right now. However Rubio is already leading most early republican primary polls, whereas Obama was considered a long shot in 2006 and 2007; Obama campaigned for a large group of senators/congressmen in 2006 which raised his profile and built up some owed favors that he'd cash in 2008.


The overall point should be that early polls mean nothing at this stage. Rubio's profile will continue to rise, and if he can get immigration reform passed it might increase his standings amongst Hispanics. Republicans continue to overlook the fact that Rubio is Cuban and therefore not guaranteed to appeal to other Hispanics, most of whom are more liberal on all issues.

If immigration reform passes it could also hurt Rubio, depending on how the law is perceived in 2015/2016. Jeb Bush has already turned on the issue, plus it seems like Rand Paul will be the Bachman/Santorum/etc of the next election, pulling all the candidates further right. If the GOP further moves to the right I think Rubio is doomed amongst white Iowans, NHers, etc. If not, perhaps he can survive long enough to make the Florida primary  the deciding factor - where his support for immigration reform will certainly play better.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: mjemirzian on March 10, 2013, 05:48:07 PM

I thought with the anti-gaf sentiment there'd be more free market types here. Too bad US republicans are so anti-science and socially repressive.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2013, 06:25:09 PM

Quote from: mjemirzian on March 10, 2013, 05:48:07 PM

I thought with the anti-gaf sentiment there'd be more free market types here. Too bad US republicans are so anti-science and socially repressive.

Also, a bummer about all the empirical evidence that shits all over conservative economic beliefs.

Notice I said "beliefs" and not "thoughts" there, because conservatives don't actually think.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: mjemirzian on March 10, 2013, 07:59:20 PM

I'd like to think Canada is doing things mostly right the last couple years economically. Maybe we're doing things all wrong, but things seem to be going well. I'm having trouble seeing much difference between US Democrats and Republicans.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 10, 2013, 08:32:45 PM

Quote from: mjemirzian on March 10, 2013, 07:59:20 PM

I'd like to think Canada is doing things mostly right the last couple years economically.

wait, what?  How the hell is Canada being dragged into this discussion?

Or, put another way, what "things" are Canada doing "mostly right" in the past couple years, especially vis a vis the USA? 

Especially when your post follows one in which AWESOME-O is tearing a strip off the Right's views on Health Care.

If, (as seems apparent), you are right-leaning economically, it seems very odd for you to laud Canada for its economic success.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2013, 09:04:36 PM

lol Ryan
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-chris-wallace-grills-paul-ryan-on-his-desire-to-repeal-obamacare-thats-not-gonna-happen/

I figured he'd have to do something ridiculous to make his new budget balance in a decade.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2013, 11:58:15 PM

Quote from: mjemirzian on March 10, 2013, 05:48:07 PM

I thought with the anti-gaf sentiment there'd be more free market types here.

Thank God this forum doesn't define itself (outside one quarantined thread) by its bitterness towards the motherland.

I actually remember a decade ago when the Afghanistan and Iraq wars started.  GAF was by no means anti-war or recognizably liberal at that point.  The war thread was basically a bunch of young guys following the blow-by-blow of the invasion, with a lot of attention paid to all the cool weaponry they were using and just a couple Chomskyites popping in every now and then.  The board gradually started leaning more and more left as time went on.

GAF posters aren't perfectly representative of the general population of course, but I do think it was indicative of how a lot of people my age were shaped by the Bush years.  For all the cliches about being liberal when you're young, I think the Iraq war, the attacks on gay rights, the housing crash, and the general perception that Bush was incompetent really made a large impression.  This wasn't a group of people who were all really adamant about their politics from the start.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2013, 01:04:06 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/jury-reaches-verdict-in-trial-of-ex-detroit-mayor-kilpatrick.php?ref=fpb

 :lawd

Poor PD

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2013, 01:11:46 PM

Who's your favorite Kwame: Kwame Brown or Kwame Kilpatrick?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 11, 2013, 01:14:31 PM

The black one

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2013, 01:16:20 PM

uh this one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7dOuxvVH6A

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2013, 01:56:02 PM

I've already heard a couple people complaining about the racist justice system sending poor, innocent Kwame to his doom today. Including a lady at the bank who claimed the jury was all white; when I told her it was actually mixed she was like "not every black person is really black" and gave me a suspicious stare.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2013, 01:57:50 PM

Kwame (the rapper) helped kill the high top fade. Once he came out, brothers started doing crazy shit with thier hair and it was all over.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 11, 2013, 02:00:32 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2013, 01:56:02 PM

I've already heard a couple people complaining about the racist justice system sending poor, innocent Kwame to his doom today. Including a lady at the bank who claimed the jury was all white; when I told her it was actually mixed she was like "not every black person is really black" and gave me a suspicious stare.

uh oh.  you've been outed. 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 11, 2013, 02:02:09 PM

She's probably already talking about the "cornball" brother she met at the bank.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2013, 02:25:49 PM

He'd have gotten off if he had just laundered money to Iran and the Sudan through Mexico.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 11, 2013, 04:02:34 PM

(http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/513dd14b6bb3f7064c00002a-666-569/screen%20shot%202013-03-11%20at%208.36.05%20am.png)

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/11/breitbarted/

:win

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2013, 04:04:13 PM

Cooooooold blooooooooded

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2013, 04:04:35 PM

How many times can you cry wolf before people stop believing?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2013, 04:07:08 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2013, 01:11:46 PM

Who's your favorite Kwame: Kwame Brown or Kwame Kilpatrick?

Wait, the Kwame Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Brown) who was a terrible disappointment in Washington, DC or the Kwame Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_R._Brown) who was a terrible disappointment in Washington, DC?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2013, 04:29:48 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 11, 2013, 04:07:08 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2013, 01:11:46 PM

Who's your favorite Kwame: Kwame Brown or Kwame Kilpatrick?

Wait, the Kwame Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_Brown) who was a terrible disappointment in Washington, DC or the Kwame Brown (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwame_R._Brown) who was a terrible disappointment in Washington, DC?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTgtAPDyZlE

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2013, 04:40:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cKTBy7_S_I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxhyUAWPmGw

:whoo

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 12, 2013, 06:58:42 PM

FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/george-p-bush-runs-for-texas-office.php?ref=fpb

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2013, 07:06:19 PM

Bush/Bush 2016

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 12, 2013, 07:10:33 PM

The future President.  Either 2020 or 2024.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2013, 02:53:56 AM

Quote

Sweeney Blum recalls waiting for one rehearsal to start and walking in to find Franken and Jackson mid-argument: “They’re sitting there steaming a little bit, and all of the sudden Al leans forward and says, ‘Victoria, surely as a Christian you care about people’s health care, surely you would believe in that.’ And Victoria says, ‘Well, if people died sooner, people will go to Heaven sooner.’

“And I start laughing because I thought she was being funny, and she says, ‘No. They will meet Jesus sooner.’”

http://www.salon.com/2013/03/10/can_victoria_jackson_return_from_the_fringe/?source=newsletter

 :larry

this can't be life

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 13, 2013, 09:31:58 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2013/03/13/the-morning-plum-no-the-gop-isnt-winning-the-argument-over-sequester/

Quote

* 72 percent of Americans, including 74 percent of independents and 81 percent of moderates, disapprove of the Congressional GOP.

* Americans disapprove of the sequester cuts by 53-39; 64 percent say they’ll hurt the economy; 60 percent say they’ll hurt the government’s ability to provide basic services; and 69 percent say they’ll hurt the military.

* Americans hold Congressional Republicans responsible for the sequester cuts by 47-33.

Hmmm, maybe Democrats can actually get the House for 2014.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2013, 04:49:09 AM

Was this ever posted?  :lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ghmBInC2N8

EDIT: omg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk6YpnjwK7Y
 :rofl

Fox News needs to replace Hannity with this woman, then I'd have two of their shows to watch.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2013, 07:19:41 AM

Dana Milbank's column (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-paul-ryans-magical-budget/2013/03/12/6c6ad6a6-8b55-11e2-b63f-f53fb9f2fcb4_story.html) from yesterday's Washington Post is pretty brutal to Paul Ryan's budget.  "Hocus-Pocus" was in the subhead that you don't see online.

It's pretty typical of what you'd read on a liberal blog, but considering the source it's pretty surprising.  Maybe Ryan's assault on his own reputation is finally making headway.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2013, 09:33:38 AM

It's hard not to imagine Paul Ryan on tv anymore without a rainbow colored wig, big red nose, and floppy clown shoes.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 14, 2013, 03:01:03 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/14/cpac-defiant-in-obama-era.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/14/cpac-defiant-in-obama-era.html)

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“We realize that we got our butts kicked,” said Hughes, who is a fan of Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. “It was our own Republicans’ fault that we lost,” she said. “We keep putting up moderates.”

I :heart this shit.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2013, 03:07:43 PM

Them dern RINOs and their unwillingness to triple-down on gay bashing fer shure is what cost them the election.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2013, 03:18:29 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 14, 2013, 03:01:03 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/14/cpac-defiant-in-obama-era.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/03/14/cpac-defiant-in-obama-era.html)

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“We realize that we got our butts kicked,” said Hughes, who is a fan of Marco Rubio, Rand Paul and Ted Cruz. “It was our own Republicans’ fault that we lost,” she said. “We keep putting up moderates.”

I :heart this shit.

You left out the sentence before that

Quote from: Howard Kurtz

Out in the crowded hallway, broadcasting on the online Tea Party News Network, founder Scottie Hughes injected a note of realism.

Also, notice how it's always formulated as "we nominated a moderate instead of a conservative" rather than "we nominated Mitt Romney rather than [actual alternative candidate X]."  Which one of the actual clowns that was running do they think would have done better?  Santorum?  Bachmann?  Cain?

If that were my party's starting lineup I'd probably still be talking about Reagan too.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2013, 03:29:59 PM

Of course they won't name a specific candidate who would/could have won, outside of resurrected Reagan of course. Bachman, Cain, etc would have done horrible. I think Santorum would appeal to non-rich people better  than Romney...but he's so far right that it wouldn't matter.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2013, 04:00:18 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ySVHfZE.jpg)

"Conserve away, Mr. Hughes."

Put up your conservatives then you fucks.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 12:31:43 AM

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/03/sen_rob_portman_comes_out_in_f.html

This is going to keep happening. Game over for the religious right in <5 years. Technically they've already lost but the SC hasn't made it official yet.

Justice Kennedy  :rejoice

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2013, 01:05:40 AM

Yup, just read that.  As more and more gay people become comfortable enough to speak out about issues, this WILL keep happening.  It's sad that people can't put themselves in another person's shoes until something like this happens in their own family, but kudos to Portman for being human enough to respond in a healthy way.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 06:33:10 AM

Was that why Portman's VP hype went from zero to 60 and back to zero over a couple days?

It was always fun to tell religious right types that Bush said he was basically in favor of civil unions (even if he tried to be cagey about it) and that Cheney was maybe beyond that. (And I thought the Edwards debate thing was kinda despicable and that Cheney annihilated it perfectly.) And it was always fun to needle some people I know about how Obama has finally evolved to at least Dick Cheney's position. Hope the Supreme Court goes beyond either of them. (Not expecting it at all.)

One of the things I hate about segments of the libertarian family (and it may just be right now because the GOP are battered and they're hanging around trying to pick us up, like our old Dem friends who disappeared around 2009) currently is the whole "we can't allow gay marriage because that expands government benefits." No, equality before the law. Then we can eliminate the laws.

Same thing on immigration. "Can't allow immigration until the welfare state is gone!" "If we let anyone come, the welfare state will collapse!" "It's an invasion they're violating our collective private property rights by crossing the border, the military should repel it!"

Quote from: Hayek in 1956

But true liberalism is still distinct from conservatism, and there is danger in the two being confused. Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic, and power-adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place. A conservative movement, by its very nature, is bound to be a defender of established privilege and to lean on the power of government for the protection of privilege, if privilege is understood in its proper and original meaning of the state granting and protecting rights to some which are not available on equal terms to others.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2013, 10:31:51 AM

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/sequestration-nimbyism-grips-gop.php?ref=fpa

“Instead of cuts that reduce wasteful and duplicative spending, the administration’s politically calculated cuts are targeting facilities like the campground that actually serve as a revenue source for the park,” Thue added. “It appears NPS is just another agency following the White House’s lead in trying to find the cuts that can trigger a press release before looking to internal cost-saving measures that are less newsworthy.”

(http://i.imgur.com/EvGj6Et.gif)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2013, 10:42:15 AM

"Git yer guberment hands off my medicare!"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2013, 10:45:16 AM

It's almost like deep spending cuts actually have some sort of real world consequences!

Of course they do not, however, it's just the National Parks Service taking a page from the playbook of MAObama and his LIEbral demonrat Chicago New Black Panther socialist Muslim thugs to try and convince people that cuts to government spending actually has any kind of impact on the running of government operated services!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 15, 2013, 10:53:20 AM

"Git your gubmint hands off my gubmint funded budget!"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2013, 01:55:17 PM

This week:

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A new report by the Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations released Thursday found that JPMorgan CEO Jamie Dimon, along with other managers, misled investors, dodged regulators and withheld information in an effort to hide trading losses.

Last year:

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“You’re obviously renowned, rightfully so I think, as being one of the most, you know, one of the best CEOs in the country for financial institutions,” crooned Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN). “You missed this, it’s a blip on the radar screen.”

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Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) — a tea party hero — gave Dimon a full pardon. “I really appreciate you voluntarily coming in to talk with us,” he said. “It is important that we talk about things happening in the industry. It helps us as we look forward and, hopefully, it will contribute to best practice scenarios in industry. I appreciate your emphasis on continuous quality improvement. We can hardly sit in judgment of your losing $2 billion. We lose twice that every day in Washington.”

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Sen. Jerry Moran (R-KS) asked Dimon and his firm to be good corporate citizens, if only to avoid complicating conservative free market messaging. “How you managed JPMorgan is the business of your board of directors, your shareholders, but it does have consequences to those of us who believe in the free-market system, its value, its merit. I have the sense and I hope it’s the case that it is a responsibility you understand. [Your] behavior really matters in our ability to be an advocate for a free-market that creates jobs and economic opportunity and allows Americans to pursue the American dream.”

 :beli

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2013, 03:18:21 PM

Jamie Dimon's bonus was slashed down to $11.5 million last year, hasn't he been punished enough?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2013, 03:30:49 PM

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I have just come from hearing Michele Bachmann talk. She is loud, and very animated, and so relentless in her off the cuff speech (mostly about her children that there simply is no room for applause lines. One of her big points is that we could cure Alzheimer's, experts say, in ten years. It currently costs $170 billion to fight; in the future, she says, it will cost up to $20 trillion. "Why wouldn't you do this", she says of a cure, citing the vast savings of money and life that came from the polio vaccine not all that long ago. "Enough of this false compassion!" from liberals, who apparently do not think of things like these. She says that we could all fund our cars with 23 cents a gallon natural gas, according to the natural gas group she has just met with, but all other policy mentions in her speech both before and after are of cutting taxes, the obvious outrage involved in "taking away money from you that you need!!"

DailyKos' CPAC coverage has been great. :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 05:15:22 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 15, 2013, 12:04:35 PM

Does that waste actually exist?

Depends on who you ask. (There's some people who argue that Medicare "fraud" doesn't exist. It's just an accounting thing.) I can find plenty of "waste" in your personal budget, but you're going to tell me that stuff are necessities or important. And you're going to fight a lot harder to stop me than I will to "correct" you. Even if you agree with me that buying fifteen thousand banana slicers (http://www.amazon.com/Hutzler-5717-571-Banana-Slicer/product-reviews/B0047E0EII) was a bad idea, you still want the money to spend next year.

Just look at stuff in the military budget, you're paying people to produce things the military doesn't want (so they often ship it to other countries) because it's built or stored in certain districts and you can't cut the spending out of the budget even if the program ends because the military still wants to spend the money just not on that thing. (And then you have the dopes in the program who certainly don't want that sweet gig to end and be put to actual work.)

Or look at the shit fit thrown over PBS which is less than 1/10th of 1% of the budget. There were all sorts of people crying that making any cuts would turn inner city kids brains into mush because they wouldn't be able to watch Sesame Street, NOVA, Austin City Limits or that dopey white guy who travels around Europe like an idiot. (Even though basically no major PBS station relies on federal funding as even a quarter of their funding. And many of the shows are profitable or funded on their own.) To ask why we even need government funded entertainment makes you even more of a monster, worse than Isiah Thomas. It only gets worse as the size of the program/entitlement scales up. At a certain point cutting $12 billion here on buildings or $20 billion on duplicate services isn't even worth the trouble since it barely even makes a dent in in the future upward trajectory.

One of the more surreal aspects of the Romney campaign was him standing in front of a big banner that said "CUT THE SPENDING" while he's whining about how Obama has gutted the military budget (by increasing spending but not as fast as "we should") and how he wanted to lock it in at a minimum of 4% of GDP forever.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 05:27:56 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 06:33:10 AM

One of the things I hate about segments of the libertarian family (and it may just be right now because the GOP are battered and they're hanging around trying to pick us up, like our old Dem friends who disappeared around 2009) currently is the whole "we can't allow gay marriage because that expands government benefits." No, equality before the law. Then we can eliminate the laws.

Same thing on immigration. "Can't allow immigration until the welfare state is gone!" "If we let anyone come, the welfare state will collapse!" "It's an invasion they're violating our collective private property rights by crossing the border, the military should repel it!

:terroristfistbump

Quote from: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 06:33:10 AM

(And I thought the Edwards debate thing was kinda despicable and that Cheney annihilated it perfectly.)

To defend my boy Edwards there, what did Cheney's support of gay rights actually amount to?

The Bush administration publicly declared support for a constitutional amendment against gay marriage* and the GOP, by all accounts with the blessing and encouragement of Rove and the White House, got a bunch of anti-gay initiatives on state ballots in 2004.  Forget about abandoning DADT or DOMA or the HIV entrance ban or all the smaller issues LGBT activists wanted progress on.  The Bush administration, the re-election campaign, the GOP, and all the attendant institutions of American conservatism were looking to entrench a shitty system of hetero privilege and leave gays either worse off or at the status quo, and I don't remember a single report that Cheney ever did anything to seriously challenge this.

So Cheney can get all How Dare You Sir That's My Daughter, but for practical purposes his "support" of civil unions seemed to consist of two parts: 1) saying he was for civil unions, 2) jack shit.  I guess it's better than how Strom Thurmond dealt with the political implications of his daughter, but I'm not gonna throw any parades for Cheney.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 05:40:55 PM

I agree with all that, Bush admin sucked on basically everything, not just gay rights. I meant how Edwards kept bringing up that Cheney has a gay daughter. I just think that's a sleazy debate tactic. Like bringing up Al Gore's son getting arrested for drugs or whatever.

Cheney didn't even get "how dare you sir" he just said "I thank the Senator for his kind words about my family."

I wasn't trying to credit Bush and Cheney for personally supporting civil unions (since I think one side of the debate should be civil unions for all) but we had one of those marriage initiatives at the time that was trying to even ban civil unions and it was just fun to poke the socons with "even Bush/Cheney don't personally support this."

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 15, 2013, 05:41:50 PM

 Holy shit, Jonathan Capehart is gay?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 05:49:30 PM

If Gore had been running against a pro-decriminalization libertarian and drug policy was a hot topic during the campaign, I think it would absolutely have been fair game for his opponent to say "your own son has used illegal drugs.  He's lucky that he hasn't been subjected to the draconian punishments our current system gives some offenders.  Surely poor deserve the same treatment as the powerful?"  It's not like the implication was that Cheney had been a bad father by letting his girl grow up to be a lesbian.

Mary Cheney was an adult and was working directly on her father's campaign.  Feels silly having to treat her like she was Chelsea Clinton circa 1993 or something.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 05:53:47 PM

Did you guys know John Edwards cheated on his terminally ill wife, fathered a bastard, and had a staffer attempt to cover it all up? Just figured I'd bring that up every time Edwards is mentioned.

I'm not going to defend Cheney either. I'm glad he supports gay rights but it's worth noting he did nothing about it. I can understand him not wanting to undercut the president if he wasn't undercutting him all the time, which we know in hindsight.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 05:54:07 PM

Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I don't recall it as even part of Edwards arguing in favor of gay marriage or rights. It was more like he just kept dropping it in to get it out there. I'll look it up.

EDIT:

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IFILL: Senator Edwards, 90 seconds.

EDWARDS: Yes. Let me say first, on an issue that the vice president said in his last answer before we got to this question, talking about tax policy, the country needs to know that under what they have put in place and want to put in place, a millionaire sitting by their swimming pool, collecting their statements to see how much money they're making, make their money from dividends, pays a lower tax rate than the men and women who are receiving paychecks for serving on the ground in Iraq.

Now, they may think that's right. John Kerry and I do not.

We don't just value wealth, which they do. We value work in this country. And it is a fundamental value difference between them and us.

Now, as to this question, let me say first that I think the vice president and his wife love their daughter. I think they love her very much. And you can't have anything but respect for the fact that they're willing to talk about the fact that they have a gay daughter, the fact that they embrace her. It's a wonderful thing. And there are millions of parents like that who love their children, who want their children to be happy.

And I believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and so does John Kerry.

I also believe that there should be partnership benefits for gay and lesbian couples in long-term, committed relationships.

But we should not use the Constitution to divide this country.

No state for the last 200 years has ever had to recognize another state's marriage.

This is using the Constitution as a political tool, and it's wrong.

IFILL: New question, but same subject.

As the vice president mentioned, John Kerry comes from the state of Massachusetts, which has taken as big a step as any state in the union to legalize gay marriage. Yet both you and Senator Kerry say you oppose it.

Are you trying to have it both ways?

EDWARDS: No. I think we've both said the same thing all along.

We both believe that -- and this goes onto the end of what I just talked about -- we both believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

But we also believe that gay and lesbians and gay and lesbian couples, those who have been in long-term relationships, deserve to be treated respectfully, they deserve to have benefits.

For example, a gay couple now has a very difficult time, one, visiting the other when they're in the hospital, or, for example, if, heaven forbid, one of them were to pass away, they have trouble even arranging the funeral.

I mean, those are not the kind of things that John Kerry and I believe in. I suspect the vice president himself does not believe in that.

But we don't -- we do believe that marriage should be between a man and a woman.

And I want to go back, if I can, to the question you just asked, which is this constitutional amendment.

I want to make sure people understand that the president is proposing a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage that is completely unnecessary.

Under the law of this country for the last 200 years, no state has been required to recognize another state's marriage.

Let me just be simple about this. My state of North Carolina would not be required to recognize a marriage from Massachusetts, which you just asked about.

There is absolutely no purpose in the law and in reality for this amendment. It's nothing but a political tool. And it's being used in an effort to divide this country on an issue that we should not be dividing America on.

We ought to be talking about issues like health care and jobs and what's happening in Iraq, not using an issue to divide this country in a way that's solely for political purposes. It's wrong.

IFILL: Mr. Vice President, you have 90 seconds.

CHENEY: Well, Gwen, let me simply thank the senator for the kind words he said about my family and our daughter.

I appreciate that very much.

IFILL: That's it?

CHENEY: That's it.

I'll rule in favor of myself and say it's because Edwards babbled for over two minutes and kept repeating that he and Kerry were against gay marriage, but he did get some stuff in there about constitutional amendments so that was entirely my fault and I was entirely wrong about the exchange. I fully rescind and apologize for calling it "despicable" to bring it up the way he did.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 05:59:45 PM

benji: I just remember an absolute torrent of faux outrage and demands that Edwards apologize and Can You Believe That He Would Drag A Man's Family Into This...  I've tried but I just can't make myself give a fuck.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 06:22:59 PM

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NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland — A panel at the Conservative Political Action Committee on Republican minority outreach exploded into controversy on Friday afternoon, after an audience member defended slavery as good for African-Americans.

The exchange occurred after an audience member from North Carolina, 30-year-old Scott Terry, asked whether Republicans could endorse races remaining separate but equal. After the presenter, K. Carl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans, answered by referencing a letter by Frederick Douglass forgiving his former master, the audience member said “For what? For feeding him and housing him?” Several people in the audience cheered and applauded Terry’s outburst.

After the exchange, Terry muttered under his breath, “why can’t we just have segregation?” noting the Constitution’s protections for freedom of association. Watch it:

ThinkProgress spoke with Terry, who sported a Rick Santorum sticker and attended CPAC with a friend who wore a Confederate Flag-emblazoned t-shirt, about his views after the panel. Terry maintained that white people have been “systematically disenfranchised” by federal legislation.

When asked by ThinkProgress if he’d accept a society where African-Americans were permanently subservient to whites, he said “I’d be fine with that.” He also claimed that African-Americans “should be allowed to vote in Africa,” and that “all the Tea Parties” were concerned with the same racial problems that he was.

At one point, a woman challenged him on the Republican Party’s roots, to which Terry responded, “I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

He claimed to be a direct descendent of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
The panel continued to be racked in controversy, as an African-American audience member repeatedly challenged the racism on display at this event. CPAC is the marquee conservative conference of year, with speakers ranging from former Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney to Senator Marco Rubio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGfCX9sJqqc

We have reached a level of Poe's Law I didn't know existed

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2013, 06:45:15 PM

“I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

:ooh

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2013, 06:46:41 PM

And this happened earlier in the day:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slzb2Lp2r-E

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2013, 06:52:30 PM

More stuff from that event:

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/03/tea-party-event-on-racial-tolerance-turns-to-chaos-as-white-supremacists-arrive.php?ref=fpa

Brown, who took offense at the suggestion modern Democrats were descendants of the KKK, tried to ask a question later once things finally calmed down. She was booed and screamed at by audience members.

“Let someone else speak!” one attendee in Revolutionary War garb shouted.

“You’re not welcome!” a white-haired older woman yelled.

Eventually she asked a question. It was about whether Republicans should call out racist ads.

Attendees interviewed by TPM afterwards expressed outrage at the way the event turned out. Not at Terry and Heimbach — they were mad at Brown for her interruptions.

Chad Chapman, 21, one of the few black attendees, said overall he enjoyed the event — except “there were lots of interruptions, mainly because of the woman.”

I asked whether he was concerned about the question from Terry and Heimbach.

“No they were just telling the truth,” he said. You mean you agree blacks are systematically disenfranchising whites, I asked?

“I listen to anybody’s point of view, it doesn’t really matter,” he said.

Seconds after the event ended, a media scrum formed around Terry. A woman wearing a Tea Party Patriots CPAC credential who had shouted down Brown earlier urged him not to give his name to the press.

She wouldn’t give her name either, but I asked her what she thought.

“Look, you know there’s no doubt the white males are getting really beat up right now, it’s unfair,” she said. “I agree with that. My husband’s one of them. But I don’t think there’s a clear understanding about what really is going on. He needs to read Frederick Douglass and I think that question should be asked to everyone in this room who is debating.”

Another white participant, Jeremy Kohn, got into a respectful discussion with Brown afterwards about the history of slavery and whether the party had a race problem. Brown explained why, after attending several CPACs, she had felt compelled to raise the issue that day.

“I just felt honestly black Americans have a lot in common with conservatives, the problem is your language and the way you — not you as an individual, you as a movement — the way racist language is overlooked,” she said.

I asked Kohn whether he was concerned, after talking to Brown, about the language used by Terry and Heimbach.

“Concerned in what way?” he said. I explained I meant the part about how whites were being disenfranchised by blacks en masse and the Confederacy wasn’t being respected.

“I would just say that if you cast a fraudulent vote you are depriving someone else of the right to vote, because you are canceling a vote that was legitimately cast,” he said. I pressed again — even leaving the voting issue aside, was it right to say white culture was being denigrated as Terry had?

“I’m not going to make a general statement about that, but obviously whatever culture you come from there’s somebody who is opposed to it,” he said.

Later after asking if he would be quoted, he requested I add the following statement: “90 percent of blacks vote for Democrats regularly.”

He paused.
“It’s hard to talk about without offending people.”

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 07:12:51 PM

 :heart benji


Oh, and I remember you wondering a while back why black voters didn't threaten to defect to the GOP in order to get more leverage within the Democratic party?  I think this pretty much sums it up.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 09:26:06 PM

I don't know if CPAC has always been this way and it just wasn't reported on. But it has been going down an interesting path the last couple years, banning all the gay groups like the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud, altering their voting system because Ron Paul kept winning the straw polls, suppressing some groups while turning a blind eye to others in weird patterns in regards to credentials and stuff, etc.

Quote from: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 07:12:51 PM

Oh, and I remember you wondering a while back why black voters didn't threaten to defect to the GOP in order to get more leverage within the Democratic party?  I think this pretty much sums it up.

Not necessarily to the GOP but I do understand it's the only "viable" alternative sadly. I just have concerns about any cleavage voting 90% or more consistently as I feel it's effectively eliminated actual representation within both parties. (And I think it's contributed to the corrupt political machines in cities that do more to harm their people than anything.) I don't know why the GOP doesn't do more outreach like that Bush Urban League speech instead you get McCain and Romney not even really bothering to address the community, it makes it far harder to seem like you aren't encouraging these openly racist views (or nativist or bigoted or) or at the least finding them relevant. (And I don't think McCain, Romney and the like are anymore directly racist than the average major party pol.)

I think there could be some value in "invading" moribund local Republican parties to wield outsized influence and avoid having to fight through entrenched Democratic machines. Like Bloomberg going Republican to avoid a primary, etc. Then that could show the state and national parties there are reason to not ignore them and put in some effort. I realize that's incredibly optimistic, "invasions" of national parties never work and sustaining local efforts are fraught with difficulties. Especially since they'll be losing general elections initially.

Libertarian circles are always plastered in debates about "we should join the GOP and work within the system like the Goldwaterites" vs. "the GOP opposes civil liberties and are religious we should join the Dems!" vs. "we should have our own pure major Libertarian Party we just need [Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/Harry Browne/Jesse Ventura/Bob Barr] for President!" vs. "ignore them all they'll come to us!" vs. "you should just vote GOP always because anything that slows down the Dems is good" vs. "voting is a scam!" vs. "Real libertarians support the American Third Position Party!" vs. "we should form issue based ad-hoc alliances!" so maybe I just come to it from that perspective, and unlike libertarians, black people are actually numerous enough to be more politically relevant than they seem to be. (I'm mostly in that last ad-hoc camp. Though I'm sure the A3P produces a quality newsletter, especially the Kevin MacDonald articles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald).)

tl;dr: I have concerns about the two parties bases becoming cemented ultra majority blocs, especially along ethnic or racial lines. I consider it to probably actually reduce representation and to increase extremism. Probably will encourage violence. I have no actual solutions.

Of course, I don't understand why the War on Drugs is such a non-issue in American politics, so I'm most likely just naive. Probably what all my political science colleagues think when I don't care about their MODERN SOCIAL POLICY IMPERATIVES fetish (FAT TAXES :drool EXERCISE SUBSIDIES fapfapfapfapfap) considering all the mostly young minority males we're forcing into black markets, imprisoning and killing. (Not to mention what it's done to our police.)

Or they think that I'm just a stoner.

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I was talking to a urban studies/urban policy guy about some thing he had on impact of single mothers and I asked him how much he thought the war on drugs contributed to the illegitimacy/single mothers "problem" and he just rambled off like "yes, yes, that's why we need increased housing loans, more greenspaces and enterprise zones, expanded job training, after school and childcare programs and an sustainable minimum wage to restore the inner cities." I was depressed for like a week.  :-\

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Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 09:26:56 PM

Nearly every story out of CPAC so far could be titled "Why Republicans Keep Losing Elections"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 09:47:00 PM

This is from a couple years ago: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0111/47231.html

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Friction between parts of the social conservative and libertarian wings of the conservative movement has escalated into a shooting war in the run-up to the Conservative Political Action Conference, with accusations of embezzlement (true), homosexuality (true), and creeping sharia (disputed) hurled against the 38-year old conservative institution.

CPAC’s leaders respond that its foes’ real gripe is that it won’t give a platform to their lunatic conspiracy theories about presidential birth certificates (disputed).

But however esoteric the disputes, the fracas has led to real-world repercussions: a move by a group of conservative figures to begin organizing a move to turn the Value Voter Summit, a newer annual event planned for October, into a full-fledged rival to CPAC by shifting its focus toward economic and security issues, according to two participants in the developing strategy. Two of the heavyweight groups of the broader right, the Heritage Foundation and the Media Research Center, have dropped out of CPAC and are expected, planners said, to add to the Value Voter Summit’s heft.

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The gripes with Keene and Norquist are numerous. Keene does work for corporate clients, and many conservatives were particularly unhappy with a leaked proposal to do work on behalf of FedEx in a regulatory fight with UPS. The parts of the right focused on fears of infiltration of America by radical Muslims object to Norquist’s efforts to bring Muslims into the Republican Party, and speak often – on background – of his Palestinian wife.

By Keene’s telling, the dispute is of fresher vintage. Last fall, Joseph Farah, the publisher of WorldNetDaily, which blends conservative news, UFO theorizing and a focus on President Barack Obama’s birth certificate, emailed one of Keene’s deputies to suggest a panel on the birth certificate. The ACU, which runs CPAC, rebuffed him, and he’s held a grudge ever since, Keene contends.

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More debatable, in any event, was the allegation, aired this earlier week on WorldNetDaily, that CPAC has “come under the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood, which is working to bring America under Saudi-style Shariah law,” in the person of a former Bush administration official, Suhail Khan, who sits on ACU's board.

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“The idea that ‘homosexual activists’ are working with ‘Muslim terrorists’ to infiltrate CPAC and subvert the conservative movement is beyond bizarre. I assume the end game is to install the gay Sharia agenda?” said the chairman of GOProud, Chris Barron. “It’s hard to tell the difference between his website – World Net Daily – and the Onion these days.

Keene was ousted from ACU in 2011. Heritage, MRC and Family Research Council are back as sponsors. So based on that and the recent stories I guess we know who won that fight.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 09:55:36 PM

Gays and Muslims working together to overtake the republican party  :ehh

Obama has really made the GOP go insane. It's pretty impressive.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 10:05:57 PM

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/03/nsl-found-unconstitutional/

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Ultra-secret national security letters that come with a gag order on the recipient are an unconstitutional impingement on free speech, a federal judge in California ruled in a decision released Friday.

U.S. District Judge Susan Illston ordered the government to stop issuing so-called NSLs across the board, in a stunning defeat for the Obama administration’s surveillance practices. She also ordered the government to cease enforcing the gag provision in any other cases. However, she stayed her order for 90 days to give the government a chance to appeal to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals.

“We are very pleased that the Court recognized the fatal constitutional shortcomings of the NSL statute,” said Matt Zimmerman, senior staff attorney for the Electronic Frontier Foundation, which filed a challenge to NSLs on behalf of an unknown telecom that received an NSL in 2011. “The government’s gags have truncated the public debate on these controversial surveillance tools. Our client looks forward to the day when it can publicly discuss its experience.”

The telecommunications company received the ultra-secret demand letter in 2011 from the FBI seeking information about a customer or customers. The company took the extraordinary and rare step of challenging the underlying authority of the National Security Letter, as well as the legitimacy of the gag order that came with it.

Both challenges are allowed under a federal law that governs NSLs, a power greatly expanded under the Patriot Act that allows the government to get detailed information on Americans’ finances and communications without oversight from a judge. The FBI has issued hundreds of thousands of NSLs over the years and has been reprimanded for abusing them — though almost none of the requests have been challenged by the recipients.

After the telecom challenged the NSL, the Justice Department took its own extraordinary measure and sued the company, arguing in court documents that the company was violating the law by challenging its authority.

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EFF filed a challenge on behalf of the telecom (.pdf) in May that year on First Amendment grounds, asserting first that the gag order amounted to unconstitutional prior restraint and, second, that the NSL statute itself “violates the anonymous speech and associational rights of Americans” by forcing companies to hand over data about their customers.

Instead of responding directly to that challenge and filing a motion to compel compliance in the way the Justice Department has responded to past challenges, government attorneys instead filed a lawsuit against the telecom, arguing that by refusing to comply with the NSL and hand over the information it was requesting, the telecom was violating the law, since it was “interfer[ing] with the United States’ vindication of its sovereign interests in law enforcement, counterintelligence, and protecting national security.”

They did this, even though courts have allowed recipients who challenge an NSL to withhold government-requested data until the court compels them to hand it over. The Justice Department argued in its lawsuit that recipients cannot use their legal right to challenge an individual NSL to contest the fundamental NSL law itself.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 10:52:10 PM

Meanwhile on Fox
http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/fox-news-ponders-flotus-becoming-vpotus-which-would-make-oba

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2013, 12:01:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 10:52:10 PM

Meanwhile on Fox
http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/fox-news-ponders-flotus-becoming-vpotus-which-would-make-oba

:rofl

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2013, 11:55:03 AM

Well, this popped up today:

Quote from: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21768668

In late October 1968 there were major concessions from Hanoi which promised to allow meaningful talks to get underway in Paris - concessions that would justify Johnson calling for a complete bombing halt of North Vietnam. This was exactly what Nixon feared.

Chennault was despatched to the South Vietnamese embassy with a clear message: the South Vietnamese government should withdraw from the talks, refuse to deal with Johnson, and if Nixon was elected, they would get a much better deal.

So on the eve of his planned announcement of a halt to the bombing, Johnson learned the South Vietnamese were pulling out.

He was also told why. The FBI had bugged the ambassador's phone and a transcripts of Anna Chennault's calls were sent to the White House. In one conversation she tells the ambassador to "just hang on through election".

Johnson was told by Defence Secretary Clifford that the interference was illegal and threatened the chance for peace.

In a series of remarkable White House recordings we can hear Johnson's reaction to the news.

In one call to Senator Richard Russell he says: "We have found that our friend, the Republican nominee, our California friend, has been playing on the outskirts with our enemies and our friends both, he has been doing it through rather subterranean sources. Mrs Chennault is warning the South Vietnamese not to get pulled into this Johnson move."

He orders the Nixon campaign to be placed under FBI surveillance and demands to know if Nixon is personally involved.

When he became convinced it was being orchestrated by the Republican candidate, the president called Senator Everett Dirksen, the Republican leader in the Senate to get a message to Nixon.

The president knew what was going on, Nixon should back off and the subterfuge amounted to treason.

Publicly Nixon was suggesting he had no idea why the South Vietnamese withdrew from the talks. He even offered to travel to Saigon to get them back to the negotiating table.

Johnson felt it was the ultimate expression of political hypocrisy but in calls recorded with Clifford they express the fear that going public would require revealing the FBI were bugging the ambassador's phone and the National Security Agency (NSA) was intercepting his communications with Saigon.

So they decided to say nothing.

The president did let Humphrey know and gave him enough information to sink his opponent. But by then, a few days from the election, Humphrey had been told he had closed the gap with Nixon and would win the presidency. So Humphrey decided it would be too disruptive to the country to accuse the Republicans of treason, if the Democrats were going to win anyway.

Nixon ended his campaign by suggesting the administration war policy was in shambles. They couldn't even get the South Vietnamese to the negotiating table.

He won by less than 1% of the popular vote.

Once in office he escalated the war into Laos and Cambodia, with the loss of an additional 22,000 American lives, before finally settling for a peace agreement in 1973 that was within grasp in 1968.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 16, 2013, 12:55:59 PM

FFFFFFUUUUUU

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 16, 2013, 01:31:59 PM

what a fucking cunt

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2013, 01:37:30 PM

It's almost like Nixon wasn't a very nice person.  :wtf2

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 16, 2013, 01:51:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2013, 06:22:59 PM

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NATIONAL HARBOR, Maryland — A panel at the Conservative Political Action Committee on Republican minority outreach exploded into controversy on Friday afternoon, after an audience member defended slavery as good for African-Americans.

The exchange occurred after an audience member from North Carolina, 30-year-old Scott Terry, asked whether Republicans could endorse races remaining separate but equal. After the presenter, K. Carl Smith of Frederick Douglass Republicans, answered by referencing a letter by Frederick Douglass forgiving his former master, the audience member said “For what? For feeding him and housing him?” Several people in the audience cheered and applauded Terry’s outburst.

After the exchange, Terry muttered under his breath, “why can’t we just have segregation?” noting the Constitution’s protections for freedom of association. Watch it:

ThinkProgress spoke with Terry, who sported a Rick Santorum sticker and attended CPAC with a friend who wore a Confederate Flag-emblazoned t-shirt, about his views after the panel. Terry maintained that white people have been “systematically disenfranchised” by federal legislation.

When asked by ThinkProgress if he’d accept a society where African-Americans were permanently subservient to whites, he said “I’d be fine with that.” He also claimed that African-Americans “should be allowed to vote in Africa,” and that “all the Tea Parties” were concerned with the same racial problems that he was.

At one point, a woman challenged him on the Republican Party’s roots, to which Terry responded, “I didn’t know the legacy of the Republican Party included women correcting men in public.”

He claimed to be a direct descendent of Confederate President Jefferson Davis.
The panel continued to be racked in controversy, as an African-American audience member repeatedly challenged the racism on display at this event. CPAC is the marquee conservative conference of year, with speakers ranging from former Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney to Senator Marco Rubio.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGfCX9sJqqc

We have reached a level of Poe's Law I didn't know existed

Remember when certain commenters on the right suggested that blacks would switch to the Republican party because of gay marriage?  Good times.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2013, 02:29:14 PM

That Nixon story is insane, wow. I'd imagine many people in Washington have known about it for awhile, too

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 16, 2013, 03:12:16 PM

Can we dig him up and kick him around some more

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 16, 2013, 04:15:45 PM

I thought it was fairly well known that Nixon sabotaged the Johnson administration's peace talks?

Title: Because I'm up all night with the squirts!
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2013, 04:04:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 15, 2013, 09:26:06 PM

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I don't know if CPAC has always been this way and it just wasn't reported on. But it has been going down an interesting path the last couple years, banning all the gay groups like the Log Cabin Republicans and GOProud, altering their voting system because Ron Paul kept winning the straw polls, suppressing some groups while turning a blind eye to others in weird patterns in regards to credentials and stuff, etc.

Quote from: Mandark on March 15, 2013, 07:12:51 PM

Oh, and I remember you wondering a while back why black voters didn't threaten to defect to the GOP in order to get more leverage within the Democratic party?  I think this pretty much sums it up.

Not necessarily to the GOP but I do understand it's the only "viable" alternative sadly. I just have concerns about any cleavage voting 90% or more consistently as I feel it's effectively eliminated actual representation within both parties. (And I think it's contributed to the corrupt political machines in cities that do more to harm their people than anything.) I don't know why the GOP doesn't do more outreach like that Bush Urban League speech instead you get McCain and Romney not even really bothering to address the community, it makes it far harder to seem like you aren't encouraging these openly racist views (or nativist or bigoted or) or at the least finding them relevant. (And I don't think McCain, Romney and the like are anymore directly racist than the average major party pol.)

I think there could be some value in "invading" moribund local Republican parties to wield outsized influence and avoid having to fight through entrenched Democratic machines. Like Bloomberg going Republican to avoid a primary, etc. Then that could show the state and national parties there are reason to not ignore them and put in some effort. I realize that's incredibly optimistic, "invasions" of national parties never work and sustaining local efforts are fraught with difficulties. Especially since they'll be losing general elections initially.

Libertarian circles are always plastered in debates about "we should join the GOP and work within the system like the Goldwaterites" vs. "the GOP opposes civil liberties and are religious we should join the Dems!" vs. "we should have our own pure major Libertarian Party we just need [Ron Paul/Gary Johnson/Harry Browne/Jesse Ventura/Bob Barr] for President!" vs. "ignore them all they'll come to us!" vs. "you should just vote GOP always because anything that slows down the Dems is good" vs. "voting is a scam!" vs. "Real libertarians support the American Third Position Party!" vs. "we should form issue based ad-hoc alliances!" so maybe I just come to it from that perspective, and unlike libertarians, black people are actually numerous enough to be more politically relevant than they seem to be. (I'm mostly in that last ad-hoc camp. Though I'm sure the A3P produces a quality newsletter, especially the Kevin MacDonald articles (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_B._MacDonald).)

tl;dr: I have concerns about the two parties bases becoming cemented ultra majority blocs, especially along ethnic or racial lines. I consider it to probably actually reduce representation and to increase extremism. Probably will encourage violence. I have no actual solutions.

Of course, I don't understand why the War on Drugs is such a non-issue in American politics, so I'm most likely just naive. Probably what all my political science colleagues think when I don't care about their MODERN SOCIAL POLICY IMPERATIVES fetish (FAT TAXES :drool EXERCISE SUBSIDIES fapfapfapfapfap) considering all the mostly young minority males we're forcing into black markets, imprisoning and killing. (Not to mention what it's done to our police.)

Or they think that I'm just a stoner.

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I was talking to a urban studies/urban policy guy about some thing he had on impact of single mothers and I asked him how much he thought the war on drugs contributed to the illegitimacy/single mothers "problem" and he just rambled off like "yes, yes, that's why we need increased housing loans, more greenspaces and enterprise zones, expanded job training, after school and childcare programs and an sustainable minimum wage to restore the inner cities." I was depressed for like a week.  :-\

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Why doesn't the GOP reach out to black voters?

Short, inflammatory answer: Because it's fucking racist, bro.

Longer, nuanced answer (gonna rehash a bunch of Nixonland-y stuff you're already aware of):  There are a lot of white voters who, to varying degrees and in various ways, are culturally averse/suspicious/unsympathetic toward black people and who don't want to see politicians and government beholden to black interests.  They've been welcome in the GOP and have had lots of their attitudes (about food stamps/welfare, the Civil War, busing, affirmative action, multiculturalism, etc.) adopted by mainstream US conservatism.

Rhetoric that makes black people feel unwelcome in the GOP tells those white voters "We're on your side, against them."  Everyone calls that stuff dog whistles, but it's a bad metaphor.  A dog whistle can only be comprehended by the dog, but everyone can hear the racial undertones when Rush Limbaugh talks.  It's just kept nice enough that it's deniable.  Cause they're not worried about offending black people (whose votes they've forsaken), they're worried about offending white people who don't want to be seen as blatantly, explicitly racist.

So pissing off black voters has been a feature, rather than a bug.  Even if changing demographics mean that incentive doesn't work for the GOP at large any more, it probably does work for the individual politicians, who are trying to win primaries or get a better standing within conservative circles.  Bush may have spoke to the Urban League when he was secure as the president and his party's leader, but when he was in a primary fight, he made that speech at Bob Jones University while they still had a ban on interracial dating.

So really, just basic identity politics.  Can't be too nice to Ethnic Group A when shunning them is what gets you the support of Ethnic Group B.

"But their policies should benefit both groups, or at least they should believe that, so why leave votes on the table rather than broaden their base?"  Cause even if Bush or a couple earnest policy advisors in the GOP really believe that their brand of pro-business policies would be good for poor black communities, their base supports those policies because they believe they will hurt poor black communities, or at least force the lazy and undeserving to carry their fair share.

Like I said, I don't think this is really new to you.  But I noticed a certain tendency among libertarians to be a bit hyper-literal and -logical in looking at things, and even when you think you've made allowances for the shenanigans of humanity... nope!  The answer here is just people being dumb and tribal and cruel to each other.



Re:  Strategic voting among blacks/libertarians.  I think the dilemma for libertarians is more like that of American leftists back in the day (like actual commies).  Libertarians don't really have a cultural identity or social institutions outside of politics, and besides being fewer they're not geographically concentrated in the same way.  For that matter, your goals affect how you organize.  If you're a group that's been historically marginalized, then you're going to want access and power.  From the outside it may seem like getting black people elected is a shallow/unproductive goal, but for a group that's been shut out for so long?

I don't like one party systems either, but I don't know how much of that's my own bias.  Surely there are tons of counties that are deep blue or deep red without serious issues of cronyism, and even in DC campaigns for mayor and council spots are pretty hotly contested, just with the action happening more in the primaries than the general, so there's definitely a big representative aspect.  It's not a good sign that voters cleave on racial lines, but I think the split in party identification is much more a symptom of broading racial issues than the cause.


edit: Why isn't ending the drug war a high priority?  Its only constituencies are drug users and a subset of urban policy wonks.  That's not a formula for an organized and powerful lobby.  Potentially sympathetic politicians are going to see a lot more downside than upside in taking it on.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2013, 09:59:45 AM

States rights is definitely a dog whistle, and quite alive and well within the party. So while there certainly is an overt dislike of blacks coming from right wing media, there's also a more subtle underpinning among more mainstream conservatism that reassures the nativist members of the movement that blacks still get hurt more than whites.

Perhaps an even larger problem is that many conservatives hate racial minority identity, and therefore cannot agree with messaging aimed at appealing to any group that dares prefix their race ahead of their nationality. The mainstream GOP message on Hispanics is that if you just take race (immigration reform) out of the equation you Americize them, and their natural hard work/can do spirit plus religious beliefs will make them realize they're natural republicans. They treat women the same: if you eliminate abortion and equal rights you can make women realize they're republicans at heart.

Which goes back to subtle insinuations that are racial. When you suggest Hispanics and Asians should be republicans because they work hard, yet ignore black outreach as a lost cause, aren't you insinuating that blacks do not work hard and therefore will always be democrats? After all isn't that why they love Hermain Cain, Alan Keyes, and Clarence Thomas so much: because they can directly say that without being called racist?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 17, 2013, 02:29:09 PM

it gets into that "real american" shit: a real american will always be conservative and white, and all white liberals will be americans too, just bad misguided ones. poc can be allies (not just individuals but whole racial groups - if they get their act together, that is) but they can never be "true" americans, because whiteness is implicit in that phrase.

also with that logic, there can never be specific programs that help poc because they are the cause of their own problems, and the closer they get to "whiteness" the less problems they will (supposedly) have. going out of your way to help them means that you are placing them above white people, when white should always be at the top.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 17, 2013, 03:03:02 PM

The Cyprus bailout  :wtf2

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 17, 2013, 06:35:14 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/XjHFK0A.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 17, 2013, 07:42:29 PM

well, of course.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 17, 2013, 07:59:13 PM

All those Big Gulps and Chick Filets can't be good for Palin's heart.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2013, 08:15:33 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 17, 2013, 07:59:13 PM

All those Big Gulps and Chick Filets can't be good for Palin's heart.

Her heart is shriveled and black, much like her brain.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2013, 08:15:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=praFGD51ih8

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 17, 2013, 09:57:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 17, 2013, 03:03:02 PM

The Cyprus bailout  :wtf2

Tomorrow and Tuesday are going to be very interesting.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2013, 09:59:59 PM

we shall see

meanwhile
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYFWBWyfEyM

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2013, 09:05:43 AM

Is there even anything constructive at cpac anymore? It just sounds like all the wind bags that fox news has on during the year get together and spew the same bullshit to each other.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 18, 2013, 11:08:47 AM

Was CPAC ever supposed to be constructive?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2013, 03:28:30 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/HtFBdH6.png)
 :orly

Merkel don't give a fuck

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 18, 2013, 06:35:56 PM

Is there an L(iberal)PAC? I tried to google, but all I found was one where the L stood for Lesbian and one where the L stood for Liberty that had speakers like Rand Paul and the producer for Atlas Shrugged 2, so I'm guessing that one isn't it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2013, 07:10:10 PM

Netroots is the liberal equivalent. 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 18, 2013, 08:29:59 PM

(http://barryonenergy.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/china-today.jpg?w=300&h=225)

 :snoop

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 18, 2013, 08:43:03 PM

i dun get it

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 18, 2013, 08:55:38 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/history-channels-satan-looks-a-lot-like-barack-obama (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/history-channels-satan-looks-a-lot-like-barack-obama)

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(http://s3-ec.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/3/17/22/enhanced-buzz-26130-1363574867-2.jpg)

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Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on March 18, 2013, 09:01:47 PM

:lol saw twitter going crazy over this last night. apparently hes also one of the only nonwhite cast members in the series, too.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2013, 09:06:02 PM

They don't call him the Prince of Darkness for nothing.  :orly

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on March 19, 2013, 10:25:51 PM

Not sure where to put this UK DESK news - but Workfare now in place.

People are losing their minds already

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on March 20, 2013, 12:07:08 AM

I hate this fucking government.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 20, 2013, 01:48:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABM0_L_5vLw

:bow

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2013, 02:50:10 AM

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531562_555979787757212_1480805047_n.jpg)

i said god damn
:rejoice :rejoice :rejoice

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 20, 2013, 03:05:59 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 20, 2013, 01:48:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABM0_L_5vLw

:bow

Can we please get more politicians like Elizabeth Warren in Washington?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on March 20, 2013, 10:31:29 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2013, 09:59:45 AM

Which goes back to subtle insinuations that are racial. When you suggest Hispanics and Asians should be republicans because they work hard, yet ignore black outreach as a lost cause, aren't you insinuating that blacks do not work hard and therefore will always be democrats? After all isn't that why they love Hermain Cain, Alan Keyes, and Clarence Thomas so much: because they can directly say that without being called racist?

Interesting note about Asians... is that in the 80's they were majority Republican (Reagan Republicans) but since the days of Bush, they've moved to the left.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 20, 2013, 11:02:05 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 20, 2013, 01:48:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABM0_L_5vLw

:bow

I wish I could have voted for her

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2013, 10:09:37 PM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/130999130/RNC-Growth-Opportunity-Book-2013


The big report from the RNC on what the GOP needs to change.  I'm about halfway through right now.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2013, 10:28:48 PM

Summaries were enough for me. Basically:

-hey guys, lots of Hispanics are in this country already
-being too mean to gay people scares straight young people away
-the more people see us, the less they like. so let's reduce the 2016 primary's length

Republicans should move the South Carolina primary as far from early 2016 as possible. Last year showed how easy it is for complete clown candidates to dominate the early process; since (crazy) Iowa won't be moved I think it's time to get rid of SC, and let Florida be the first southern state.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2013, 12:56:11 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 20, 2013, 10:09:37 PM

http://www.scribd.com/doc/130999130/RNC-Growth-Opportunity-Book-2013


The big report from the RNC on what the GOP needs to change.  I'm about halfway through right now.

Ctrl+F "Cain Train"

 :whew

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2013, 11:56:32 AM

Quote

President Obama on Thursday in Ramallah, West Bank drew a comparison between the Middle East peace process and the United States' struggle for equal rights.

"That's why we can't give up," Obama said at a joint press conference with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. "Because of young Palestinians and young Israelis who deserve a better future than one that is continually defined by conflict. Whenever I meet these young people, whether they are Palestinian or Israeli, I'm reminded of my own daughters, and I know what hopes and aspirations I have for them. Those of us in the United States understand that change takes time, but it is also possible. Because there was a time when my daughters could not expect to have the same opportunities in their own country as somebody else's daughters. What's true in the United States can be true here as well."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-compares-middle-east-peace-process-to-us?ref=fpblg

outrage in 3...2...1..

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 21, 2013, 12:09:37 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-sarcastically-asks-how-israel-afforded-such,31750/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-sarcastically-asks-how-israel-afforded-such,31750/)

The Onion killing it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2013, 10:55:57 AM

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/03/21/low_info_lingo_chop_and_screw

Quote

“Anyway, I looked up chop and screw. He’s right. It’s a mixing technique… It remixes hip-hop music, which I’m told developed in Houston. Well, the chop and screw developed in Houston, not hip-hop. The chop and screw technique remixes hip-hop music with the kind of music that was in Houston in the 1990s in the hip-hop scene. And it’s done by slowing down the tempo and skipping beats. It ends up sounding like a chopped up version of a tune, and so it’s called chop and screw. There’s even an app for it.”

- Rush Limbaugh

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 22, 2013, 11:04:41 AM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gingrich-santorum-couldnt-agree-on-who-would-be?ref=fpb

Quote

Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum were close to forming a "unity ticket" to challenge Mitt Romney during the Republican presidential primaries, Bloomberg Businessweek's Joshua Green reported Friday. But ultimately the two men couldn't agree on who would be president if they won.

“In the end, it was just too hard to negotiate," Gingrich said in the report.

“I was disappointed when Speaker Gingrich ultimately decided against this idea, because it could have changed the outcome of the primary,” Santorum told Businessweek. “And more importantly, it could have changed the outcome of the general election.”

 :lol The hubris of these people.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 22, 2013, 11:09:04 AM

Quote from: Eric P on March 22, 2013, 10:55:57 AM

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/03/21/low_info_lingo_chop_and_screw

Quote

“Anyway, I looked up chop and screw. He’s right. It’s a mixing technique… It remixes hip-hop music, which I’m told developed in Houston. Well, the chop and screw developed in Houston, not hip-hop. The chop and screw technique remixes hip-hop music with the kind of music that was in Houston in the 1990s in the hip-hop scene. And it’s done by slowing down the tempo and skipping beats. It ends up sounding like a chopped up version of a tune, and so it’s called chop and screw. There’s even an app for it.”

- Rush Limbaugh

Fuck, with Limbaugh's drugs he should be all over that.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 22, 2013, 11:12:19 AM

Quote from: Eric P on March 22, 2013, 10:55:57 AM

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2013/03/21/low_info_lingo_chop_and_screw

Quote

“Anyway, I looked up chop and screw. He’s right. It’s a mixing technique… It remixes hip-hop music, which I’m told developed in Houston. Well, the chop and screw developed in Houston, not hip-hop. The chop and screw technique remixes hip-hop music with the kind of music that was in Houston in the 1990s in the hip-hop scene. And it’s done by slowing down the tempo and skipping beats. It ends up sounding like a chopped up version of a tune, and so it’s called chop and screw. There’s even an app for it.”

- Rush Limbaugh

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgvclrH0Q41qacvq1.gif)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2013, 12:31:15 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 22, 2013, 11:04:41 AM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gingrich-santorum-couldnt-agree-on-who-would-be?ref=fpb

Quote

Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum were close to forming a "unity ticket" to challenge Mitt Romney during the Republican presidential primaries, Bloomberg Businessweek's Joshua Green reported Friday. But ultimately the two men couldn't agree on who would be president if they won.

“In the end, it was just too hard to negotiate," Gingrich said in the report.

“I was disappointed when Speaker Gingrich ultimately decided against this idea, because it could have changed the outcome of the primary,” Santorum told Businessweek. “And more importantly, it could have changed the outcome of the general election.”

 :lol The hubris of these people.

They're right, though.  Obama would have won by a lot more, so it would have changed the outcome of the election.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2013, 12:50:12 PM

Too bad Michelle Bachman and Herman Cain couldn't have joined together for an interracial ticket.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 22, 2013, 05:51:44 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/official-seeks-mystery-man-linked-smear-senator-bob/story?id=18790819#.UUzRxPLD-Uk (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/official-seeks-mystery-man-linked-smear-senator-bob/story?id=18790819#.UUzRxPLD-Uk)

Quote

A prosecutor in the Dominican Republic is seeking to identify the mystery man called "Carlos" who, allegedly in league with Republican operatives in the U.S., helped set up television interviews with three young women who now say they were paid to lie about having sex with Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

So republicans are paying women to lie about sex scandals with democrats now. Is there no low that they won't sink to?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 22, 2013, 06:10:43 PM

It would be the greatest day ever if that could somehow be linked back to the Koch brothers.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2013, 07:17:44 PM

Quote from: Yeti on March 22, 2013, 05:51:44 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/official-seeks-mystery-man-linked-smear-senator-bob/story?id=18790819#.UUzRxPLD-Uk (http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/official-seeks-mystery-man-linked-smear-senator-bob/story?id=18790819#.UUzRxPLD-Uk)

Quote

A prosecutor in the Dominican Republic is seeking to identify the mystery man called "Carlos" who, allegedly in league with Republican operatives in the U.S., helped set up television interviews with three young women who now say they were paid to lie about having sex with Sen. Robert Menendez (D-N.J.), the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.

So republicans are paying women to lie about sex scandals with democrats now. Is there no low that they won't sink to?

And people said that Republicans aren't willing to work with Hispanics. :bow2

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 23, 2013, 09:14:07 AM

So there's this meme that the righties have been saying for a while now that Bill O'Reilly repeated yesterday. When it's pointed out that we had much higher tax rates in the past than we do now, the argument goes that those rates don't count because no one was paying those high rates to begin with because of various loopholes and deductions. My question is, if no one was paying the top rates due to all the deductions and such, then...what was the point of constantly lowering the rates throughout the decades?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2013, 10:00:22 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 23, 2013, 09:14:07 AM

When it's pointed out that we had much higher tax rates in the past than we do now, the argument goes that those rates don't count because no one was paying those high rates to begin with because of various loopholes and deductions.

You should ask them how that's any different from right now.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trurl on March 23, 2013, 10:53:45 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 23, 2013, 09:14:07 AM

So there's this meme that the righties have been saying for a while now that Bill O'Reilly repeated yesterday. When it's pointed out that we had much higher tax rates in the past than we do now, the argument goes that those rates don't count because no one was paying those high rates to begin with because of various loopholes and deductions. My question is, if no one was paying the top rates due to all the deductions and such, then...what was the point of constantly lowering the rates throughout the decades?

It would be nice if Conservatives accepted empirical proof to refute their claims. Instead they only accept syllogisms based on what they already think they know, and that's if you're lucky.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2013, 02:36:35 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2013, 10:00:22 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 23, 2013, 09:14:07 AM

When it's pointed out that we had much higher tax rates in the past than we do now, the argument goes that those rates don't count because no one was paying those high rates to begin with because of various loopholes and deductions.

You should ask them how that's any different from right now.

IE in 1958 instead of paying 90% marginal tax rates, a clever accountant could get you down to what, 80%? Whereas today instead of paying 39.6 marginal tax rates, a clever account could get you to 35%. These people are full of shit, especially when you consider they champion the 50s and 60s as a time of FREEDOMZ while complaining Comrade Obama is taxing at record rates  :lol

Unless of course you don't pay any income taxes and thus have a 15% rate like you know, Mitt Romney.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2013, 12:45:46 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/fox-news-analyst-very-high-probability-iraq-hid-wmds-in-syria/#.UUyP6usfuqY.gmail

Get your invadin' boots on, we're going in!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on March 24, 2013, 01:45:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTBwKBSNczw

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2013, 02:23:14 PM

Good beat, but he needs to work on his flow.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2013, 09:56:18 PM

the dam is bursting
http://clairecmc.tumblr.com/post/46209857472/and-now-abide-faith-hope-love-these-three-but-the

(http://gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs3/2333540_o.gif)
:rejoice SC will join the party in a few weeks :rejoice

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2013, 09:59:48 PM

Well, a cynical person would say "she doesn't have to run for reelection in the next 5 years, and it will be decided by then most likely" but good on her I suppose.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2013, 09:33:28 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/sen-mark-warner-announces-support-for-marriage-equality?ref=fpb

Another bluish dog dem comes out for TEH GAYS

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 25, 2013, 11:11:45 PM

It's a mad scramble to be on the right side of history before the lines are officially drawn

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2013, 12:41:25 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hHGjQcxSPfI

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2013, 11:49:36 AM

I can't wait to hear Scalia's smug face explain which part of the Constitution demands that he uphold DOMA.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 26, 2013, 12:03:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2013, 12:45:46 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/fox-news-analyst-very-high-probability-iraq-hid-wmds-in-syria/#.UUyP6usfuqY.gmail

Get your invadin' boots on, we're going in!

Yup, this has been making the rounds for months now in the Anti-Agenda 21 Underground.  Good thing Fox News has been reading their email chains.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2013, 02:33:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 26, 2013, 12:03:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2013, 12:45:46 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/fox-news-analyst-very-high-probability-iraq-hid-wmds-in-syria/#.UUyP6usfuqY.gmail

Get your invadin' boots on, we're going in!

Yup, this has been making the rounds for months now in the Anti-Agenda 21 Underground.  Good thing Fox News has been reading their email chains.

I know this shit doesn't need debunking here (cause Romney lost and siamesedreamer/Beardo/bdoughty weren't able to come back and gloat), but goddam this makes no sense.  Hussein hated Hafez Assad and the feeling was mutual.  Like they had a grudge dating back to some inside-baseball rivalries within the Baath party in the 1960's.  The sixties!  Also, the Assads are Alawis who have kept a Sunni majority in check, while Saddam was a Sunni who kept a Shia majority in check.  The countries had broken off diplomatic relations.  Hussein publicly called Assad a liar.

Syria sent over ten thousand troops to fight against Iraq as part of Desert Storm.  COME ON!

But hey, they're all fuckin' brown, amirite?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 26, 2013, 02:42:20 PM

Since apparently Mandark doesn't like to read, it's right in the fucking article...

Quote

...prior to Operation Iraqi Freedom, there was a lot of vehicles crossing the border into Syria.

What more do you need?  Jeez!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 26, 2013, 02:52:40 PM

Annihilated.   :'(

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2013, 03:30:34 PM

I'm beginning to question your commitment to the Operation Enduring Freedom II: Syrian Boogaloo, Mandark.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2013, 03:58:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 26, 2013, 02:33:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 26, 2013, 12:03:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2013, 12:45:46 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/22/fox-news-analyst-very-high-probability-iraq-hid-wmds-in-syria/#.UUyP6usfuqY.gmail

Get your invadin' boots on, we're going in!

Yup, this has been making the rounds for months now in the Anti-Agenda 21 Underground.  Good thing Fox News has been reading their email chains.

I know this shit doesn't need debunking here (cause Romney lost and siamesedreamer/Beardo/bdoughty weren't able to come back and gloat), but goddam this makes no sense.  Hussein hated Hafez Assad and the feeling was mutual.  Like they had a grudge dating back to some inside-baseball rivalries within the Baath party in the 1960's.  The sixties!  Also, the Assads are Alawis who have kept a Sunni majority in check, while Saddam was a Sunni who kept a Shia majority in check.  The countries had broken off diplomatic relations.  Hussein publicly called Assad a liar.

Syria sent over ten thousand troops to fight against Iraq as part of Desert Storm.  COME ON!

But hey, they're all fuckin' brown, amirite?

The Saw exposition theme ran through my head as I read this. But I'm confused what this has to do with Agenda 21, even if I put my tinfoil hat on

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 26, 2013, 04:07:14 PM

The type of people that believe Agenda 21 conspiracy theories have been peddling this one for a while.  First time I've seen it reported outside of that.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2013, 04:10:40 PM

Ah my bad, misread that. I was thinking it must be some grand conspiracy with UN trucks transporting the WMDs from Iraq to Syria :ohhh

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 26, 2013, 04:13:37 PM

Oh I'm sure the UN is involved somewhere.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2013, 05:25:47 PM

Guess who's in the UN? Russia!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 26, 2013, 05:38:46 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2013, 05:25:47 PM

Guess who's in the UN? Russia!

>_>
<_<

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2013, 02:57:01 PM

Quote

Chief Justice John Roberts took a swipe at President Obama during oral arguments Wednesday, arguing that the president should stop executing the parts of the Defense of Marriage Act he deems unconstitutional rather than relying on the courts to pave the way.

“If he has made a determination that executing the law by enforcing the terms is unconstitutional, I don’t see why he doesn’t have the courage of his convictions,” Roberts said of Obama, “and execute not only the statute, but do it consistent with his view of the Constitution, rather than saying, oh, we’ll wait till the Supreme Court tells us we have no choice.”

:wtf

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 03:12:22 PM

nicca roberts is dumb.

Obama is going by the book on this.  He's the executive, so he's runs the shit that needs enforcing.  He can publicly denounce them but if he tries to actually DO anything, everyone would be up in arms (moreseo than the usual garblefuck that escapse conservative mouths).

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 27, 2013, 03:13:40 PM

SCOTUS are acting like a bunch of pussies on this issue. "Oh, we don't think we should do anything about this yet. It's too soon."

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 03:20:54 PM

So can he declare Congress and the Supreme Court unconstitutional based on view of the Constitution? :leon

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 04:07:07 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/27/sorry-justice-scalia-theres-no-evidence-that-gay-parents-arent-great-parents/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/03/27/sorry-justice-scalia-theres-no-evidence-that-gay-parents-arent-great-parents/)

This article by Klein brings up something I can't believe I was dumb enough to not even think of.  There's absolutely no evidence that gay couples make bad parents (rather, shitty people make shitty parents).  If they choose to adopt, they can help seriously diminish our growing number of children without a permanent family.  Fucking win-win in regards to providing love to all that deserve some.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 04:42:56 PM

I don't think it's far fetched to say that children from a family with two married parents do better than those from single parent households. Some family units are more stable than others, yet that shouldn't determine which should be banned in cases where the potential parents are decent folks (no criminal record or any other metric that might cause an adoption agency to reject an application).

Likewise I wouldn't be surprised if a man+woman union produces children than anything else (when compared across similar income levels). But if you're going to use that to reject gay marriage/adoption, you should apply the same stupidity to other things. Ban divorce while you're at it.

DOMA is toast.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 04:50:15 PM

There is, however, growing evidence that Antonin Scalia is a sack of dog crap.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2013, 04:53:40 PM

DOMA is pretty much done for, Prop 8 is trickier but I bet they refuse to overturn it outright

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 27, 2013, 04:59:23 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 27, 2013, 04:53:40 PM

DOMA is pretty much done for, Prop 8 is trickier but I bet they refuse to overturn it outright

I think they'll throw the case out on Prop 8, which means that the California Supreme Court ruling stands on overturning it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 05:04:29 PM

I agree. DOMA is done, Prop 8 will go back to Cali; although to be fair Kennedy has some time to change his mind. IMO either way it's a win.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 27, 2013, 05:06:17 PM

The minority (I hope) opinion should be HILARIOUS.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 05:15:35 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 27, 2013, 05:06:17 PM

The minority (I hope) opinion should be HILARIOUS.

a preview
(http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Capture77.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 05:20:56 PM

That sort of argument always goes way over my head, because all I can manage to think is "who gives a shit."

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 05:27:24 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 27, 2013, 05:20:56 PM

That sort of argument always goes way over my head, because all I can manage to think is "who gives a shit."

Quote

WASHINGTON—Ten minutes into oral arguments over whether or not homosexuals should be allowed to marry one another, a visibly confounded Supreme Court stopped legal proceedings Tuesday and ruled that gay marriage was “perfectly fine” and that the court could “care less who marries whom.”

“Yeah, of course gay men and women can get married. Who gives a shit?” said Chief Justice John Roberts, who interrupted attorney Charles Cooper’s opening statement defending Proposition 8, which rescinded same-sex couples’ right to marry in California. “Why are we even seriously discussing this?”

“Does anyone else up here care about this?” Roberts added as his eight colleagues began shaking their heads and saying, “No,” “Nah,” and “I also don’t care about this.” “Great. Same-sex marriage is legal in the United States of America. Do we have anything of actual import on the docket, or are we done for the day?”

Before Roberts officially ended proceedings, sources confirmed that all nine justices were reportedly dumbfounded, asking why the case was even coming before them and wondering aloud if some sort of mistake had been made. Calling marriage equality a “no-brainer,” members of the High Court appeared not just confused but irritated when Proposition 8 defenders argued that gay marriage was not a national issue but a state matter.

Moreover, when Attorney Cooper said that gay marriage could harm the moral fabric of the country and hurt the institution of marriage, Associate Justice Sotomayor asked, “What are you even talking about?” while Justice Anthony Kennedy reportedly muttered, “You got to be fucking kidding me,” under his breath.

“I have to interject, Mr. Cooper,” Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg said as the attorney argued that the government has legitimate reasons to discourage same-sex couples from getting married. “Do you honestly care this much about this issue? Because if you do, you’re a real goddamn idiot. Actually, you sound as dumb as dog shit, and you are wasting our time.”

“Should gay marriage be legal?” Ginsburg continued. “Yes. Done. Case closed. Goodbye. Christ, were we seriously scheduled to spend the next few months debating this?”

Even the typically conservative wing of the court maintained that, despite their personal views, it would be “downright silly” for them to rule that same-sex marriage was unconstitutional.

“I’m a strict Originalist, Mr. Cooper, and I’m looking at a 14th Amendment that forbids any state from denying any person equal protection of the law,” Associate Justice Antonin Scalia said. “So, unless we are the most uncivilized society on the face of God’s green earth, I think we can all agree that a gay person is in fact a person. So what I’m saying is, who the fuck are we to tell a person who he or she can get married to? This is dumb. Can we talk about a real case now, please?”

Before adjourning the court, Roberts said there would be no official opinion on the case because it’s just “common goddamn sense,” and then addressed gay men and women directly.

“Get married, don’t get married, do whatever you want,” Roberts said. “It’s the opinion of this court that we don’t give two shits what you do.”

“C’mon, let’s go get some food,” added Roberts, as the eight other justices followed him out the door.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 27, 2013, 05:30:31 PM

the "will X still be X if Y happens?" is classic orthodox rhetoric that is used absolutely every time something is being modified, no matter how slight.  Look through the history of Christian reform to see an infinite number of examples. 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 05:33:44 PM

remember what happened to the Roman Empire

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trurl on March 27, 2013, 05:40:02 PM

Would you guys rather have two moms or two dads?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 27, 2013, 05:43:31 PM

one mom and one pony.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 27, 2013, 05:44:50 PM

no matter the pairing, there's always at least one "mom"

 :himu

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2013, 05:47:31 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 05:33:44 PM

remember what happened to the Roman Empire

They converted to Christianity and it was all downhill from there. :(

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 27, 2013, 05:51:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2013, 05:15:35 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 27, 2013, 05:06:17 PM

The minority (I hope) opinion should be HILARIOUS.

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It seems the only logical course of action is to do away with straight marriages. Because obviously straight marriages lead to gay marriages which leads to cat marriages. I say all marriages of any kind be immediately annulled, and the word marriage stricken from the dictionary, with the word marriage only spoken in hushed tones in secret, underground wedding clubs inhabited by the filthiest of deviants.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trurl on March 27, 2013, 05:54:37 PM

If the only argument against me being able to marry my dog is that gay people aren't yet allowed to be married, perhaps I should be able to marry Fluffy.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2013, 01:04:27 AM

I swear to God, next Libertarian I see on my FB feed bitch about how we need to label GMO's and how Monsanto is evil for the provision snuck into the ag appropriations bill this week is going to get fucking murdered in the digital realm

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 28, 2013, 02:32:18 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 28, 2013, 01:04:27 AM

I swear to God, next Libertarian I see on my FB feed bitch about how we need to label GMO's and how Monsanto is evil for the provision snuck into the ag appropriations bill this week is going to get fucking murdered in the digital realm

I've been avoiding it, but I just had to write a lengthy response to an Obama meme picture regarding this.  And now I feel pathetic because I wrote a lengthy response to an Obama meme pic on Facebook.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2013, 02:37:27 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on March 28, 2013, 02:32:18 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 28, 2013, 01:04:27 AM

I swear to God, next Libertarian I see on my FB feed bitch about how we need to label GMO's and how Monsanto is evil for the provision snuck into the ag appropriations bill this week is going to get fucking murdered in the digital realm

I've been avoiding it, but I just had to write a lengthy response to an Obama meme picture regarding this.  And now I feel pathetic because I wrote a lengthy response to an Obama meme pic on Facebook.

Trolled into writing a long, earnest post correcting some BS that someone just mindlessly passed along without checking, when that person is probably uninterested in the facts anyway?  Welcome to my last decade on the internet!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 28, 2013, 02:48:45 PM

 :(  I should know better by now

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2013, 03:42:37 PM

"It's the main lesson of the Internet age, that something that's untrue is much harder to challenge than something that's true. The most obvious reason being that because it's untrue, people are, necessarily, believing it because they want to." - Justin Horton

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 28, 2013, 04:25:12 PM

Touche.  At least they took it well.  They thanked me for the information and invited my wife and I out for a double date.  yay?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2013, 04:34:12 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on March 28, 2013, 04:25:12 PM

Touche.  At least they took it well.  They thanked me for the information and invited my wife and I out for a double date.  yay?

Are they libertarians?  If so they're probably swingers and want to swap with you guys, just saying.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 28, 2013, 04:37:00 PM

 :lol

She's a libertarian, her man doesn't give a fuck about politics.  So maybe an awkard threesome with an onlooker?  I'm down. 

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Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2013, 04:37:39 PM

Don't be bashful Mandark, we all know you enjoy nothing more than being our "let me google that bullshit for you, then write a long retort" whipping boy.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2013, 04:58:25 PM

I *am* taking a business ethics class next semester that the professor describes as "just arguing all semester" so get ready to use your google fu, Mandark  :-*

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2013, 05:04:01 PM

Business ethics :fbm

there's ALWAYS a collection of libertarian assholes assholes in those classes who seem to love saying stupid stuff/getting reactions.

Basically you might want to start building that gas chamber bro

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2013, 06:21:20 PM

I don't need to worry, because I know the professor and he's a big ol' liberal elitist douchenugget like me, and he's already said that people are entitled to their own opinions in the class... but not their own facts.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2013, 11:45:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB3ryiR66RE

 :what

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2013, 11:51:57 PM

wtf...

I'm gonna predict right now that the official right wing response will be "remember when Harry Reid called Obama a Negro?!?!?! The media didn't say anything about that!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 30, 2013, 06:11:00 AM

he's not going to get in serious trouble in his home state, because A. Alaska has a relatively pretty small Hispanic population, B. The crackers who do live in Alaska don't mind that kind of thought, C. He has comfortably held onto his seat despite way more and ill-timed gaffes then this.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 07:52:30 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2013, 05:04:01 PM

there's ALWAYS a collection of libertarian assholes assholes in those classes who seem to love saying stupid stuff/getting reactions.

Rule one: Introduce them to libertarianism. Not GOP that likes gays and hispanics for electoral reasons ism.

And when I say libertarianism. I don't mean "liberatrianism."

I mean libertarianism. Don't even need the anarchist schools.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 28, 2013, 06:21:20 PM

he's already said that people are entitled to their own opinions in the class... but not their own facts.

Rule two: People who say this actually are the worst assholes and are more likely to stifle debate rather than let some dope hang themselves out to fail.

I could ramble on but I dunno if I'll be around and don't want to discount anyone's responses.

I don't know where you guys are getting these Libertarians on Facebook, maybe I should reactivate my account so I can blast them for supporting Keystone XL despite the eminent domain. Then there's tiesto finding them during speed dating at gaming conventions or whatever!

EDIT: wait, I read this wrong:

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we need to label GMO's and how Monsanto is evil for the provision snuck into the ag appropriations bill this week is going to get fucking murdered in the digital realm

???

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 30, 2013, 07:55:15 AM

I've only really encountered libertarians on the internet.  They're virtually non-existent here except in one instance where I saw a Gary Johnson bumper sticker.

I'm guessing if I would hang out in nerd, hipster, or counterculture groups, I'd find a lot more.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2013, 08:00:07 AM

I think that rule is more than fair, libertarians should have numerous examples of their ideas/philosophies succeeding in a real world setting, amirite???

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 08:00:52 AM

I just assume they're 1% of the population at best. I think Poli Sci/History actually overrepresents and it's still not a great amount.

I have seen many many many many otherwise Republicans declaring themselves so over the last couple years as the conservative/Republican brand suffers. One of my cousins is describing herself thus, and she wholy supported Rick Santorum...

If anything it seems more like "okay with gays" Republicanism for many these days.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 30, 2013, 08:00:07 AM

I think that rule is more than fair, libertarians should have numerous examples of their ideas/philosophies succeeding in a real world setting, amirite???

We have a distinctive disadvantage though, what with the not using violent coercion to make nonviolent citizens do what we want.

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Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2013, 08:07:41 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 07:52:30 AM

Rule one: Introduce them to libertarianism. Not GOP that likes gays and hispanics for electoral reasons ism.

And when I say libertarianism. I don't mean "liberatrianism."

I mean libertarianism. Don't even need the anarchist schools.

No true Scotsman libertarian.

:teehee

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 08:10:28 AM

Always a fair point, especially with libertarians, but I'd surprised if they crack 50: http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi

Jack Kemp and Paul Ryan have been called libertarians for Darkosake! Reagan called it the essence of his governance!

EDIT: Just saying, these types of dopes run away quickly. And it shuts them up in class.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2013, 08:12:39 AM

Benji, I have a bunch of "guns and dope" friends who ostensibly identify as libertarians, and they're all up in arms over the whole Monsanto Protection Act thing.  They want GMOs clearly labelled, which makes me chuckle- who the fuck do they think are going to enforce that? 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 08:28:02 AM

I have actually seen that and I don't get it. The perspective seems to be that the science is wrong and the state is hiding something evil, so we should make them say they are. (Neo-cons and objectivist transitioning into libertarianism proper run into this on war.) There is a strong anarchist component to the family and much of it's really against just everything in principle at times. I guess that's part of my opposition to climate change "remedies" although I do question why it's suddenly an immunity issue (that demands global power) with less than centuries of real info. (Anarchist ramblings? Just wait!)

But we have been "genetically modifying" food for centuries or more (see I told you!) and all of this is just an advanced extension of that. I think Ronald Bailey pointed out that companies have been willingly throwing up Fat Free, Trans Fat Free, Organic Free, etc. labels on shit to the point there was water or something labeled CARBON FREE.

You have some libertarian overlap in the vaccine stuff too, where it's otherwise "hippies" and greenfreaks.

I find it kind of interesting, I couldn't say for sure but if you drilled your friends I'd imagine they're against immigration and likely gay marriage. And would argue what I posted a few weeks back about how that just invites more people to mooch off our welfare system or whatever. That's the type at least I've found gets jumpy about GMOs and immunizations and such.

Though I hate to collectivize.

EDIT: To note I haven't been paying real attention to politco happenings the last few weeks, I haven't even kept up on the Supreme Court stuff, and didn't realize the Monsato thing was an actual law that had been signed. I will check that out.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2013, 08:29:58 AM

I will agree that a lot of soi-disant "libertarians" are basically just Republicans that want to disassociate themselves with the homophobia-and-creationism wing, or are otherwise dudes who are attracted to one aspect or another of libertarian philosophy that would affect them particularly (the overwhelmingly most popular ones being the right to smoke weed and the right to keep all your stuff) and adopt some of the rhetoric without going whole hog.

Roy Edroso has a running gag where he says libertarians are Republicans looking to get laid.  Actually, let me find the post where he put Instapundit on blast...

Quote from: http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2005/11/what-republican-calls-himself-when-he.html

Let's be frank. Real libertarians are as rare as pieces of the True Cross. There are plenty of guys who'll say they're "mostly libertarian" when there are social or sexual points to be scored by it. There are celebrities who use their swingin' libertarianism as a differentiator within their market: their libertarian rap may be no more substantial than the equivalent liberal rap of the Robbins-Sarandon crowd, but the cool factor is much higher. You can call them libertarians if you like; I prefer the more old-fashioned usages, "fraud," "hypocrite," and "bullshit artist." (Say, maybe the Perfesser is a libertarian after all!)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 08:40:30 AM

I do lump Instapundit into the Objectivist camp because he's fine with libertarianism generally until it's time to wreck up some foreigners. That's where nearly every Objectivist jumps off.

I'm even accepting of anti-gay marriage in libertarinism though I don't like it. Though most of those people "reveal" themselves under simple questioning. As noted, I think the Constitution requires us to do equal rights under our laws. And I would support it for that reason even without the Constitution.

Abortion is the one area I'm never "true Scotsmanning" any libertarian and I think I posted some of my thoughts on this before, maybe in the GAF thread, simply because I think the debate of fetus vs. mother is almost impossible to ever resolve universally until science advances more. And so I pull the cop-out route.

Mostly I think Rand Paul is an "acceptable" choice as the one edge of libertarinism. Same as I thought his father was. Not perfect but good enough to define one side.

Those business types and GOP's searching for a "new" label don't get the underlying logic. They really just want a new Rockefeller Republicanism. The problem is they're so focused on the culture/social parts they miss the whole "SLASH AT LEAST HALF THE GOVERNMENT AND LEAVE THEM DEAD IN THE STREET WITH THE ORPHANS" dogma.

EDIT: Although the cultural/social parts are probably more important to the party surviving than anything.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 09:03:17 AM

I WISH Republicans looking to get laid was real. I've seen more of those right to life dopes hooking up than any Republican girl being picked up by "lets end farm subsidies" or "fannie mae, more like failie fail" or "how about we voluntarily interact in a mutually beneficial transaction." (I see the market failure in this last one.)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2013, 09:08:39 AM

Personally I couldn't imagine it even being a contest between the moral weight of a fetus and an actual person, unless you're looking at it with such reverence for life that the lives of all animals and the more clever plants are inviolate.  But chacun a son gout.


Okay, time for Ask a Libertarian!


If you think that actual libertarians are ~1% of the population, what are the implications of that?  Beyond the usual strategy conundrums (third party vs. co-opting GOP vs. ad hoc coalitions, blah blah).  Is there some fundamental aspect of libertarianism that prevents it from from ever winning enough public support to be implemented, or is there some confluence of social/economic/cultural factors that could change?  Are you guys ever gonna win?

I'm asking this because to a certain degree, I think it's fair for people to say "presume there was political will for my program" when they propose something untested or radical.  Cause otherwise anything new gets shut down with "but people have always eaten people!"  But eventually, you do need public support and acceptance to carry out any kind of political change.

In this case, you're talking about revamping the entire political system, so I think the question of how to get and sustain support is rather an important one.  Beyond that, we're talking about a philosophy that, in many of its forms, puts a large emphasis on the ability of individuals to make decisions in their own best interest, yet these individuals keep voting for collectivism.  I'm vaguely aware of some public choice models that square the circle by showing how voting doesn't produce results reflecting what people "really" want as a market would, but is that stuff legit or is it just apologetics?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 10:10:03 AM

I wrote a long response to everything but coming back, it seems really stupid and rambling like all my posts so I guess I just concede whatever points and apologize for wasting anyones time. I'll paste it into notepad and see if it can be salvaged but I doubt it. Especially after everyone moves on to something important, no reason to dredge it back up.

Sorry about messing up the thread.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 30, 2013, 10:13:19 AM

bummer, I was pretty interested to hear your response.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 30, 2013, 10:20:17 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on March 30, 2013, 10:13:19 AM

bummer, I was pretty interested to hear your response.

So was I, which was why I asked in the first place.  Kind of stung by benji's reference to "conceding points" cause I like to think I can convey clearly when I'm asking for someone's take in good faith and when I'm just being a dick (cf Shinobi, Himu, Spencer).

Also, "moves on to something important?"  Motherfucker, this is The Bore.  Important don't come into it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 11:04:00 AM

Agh, I had to check and saw there was a response...and I like you Barry....okay, I guess you guys can have fun with it at least for a while:

And Mandark now, I don't like the wording on any of it...I concede because I'm not really too confrontational, I don't mean it personally and I'd rather it not be because of that. Maybe I'm projecting. I take your posts in good faith. It's one reason I asked here before about columnists (and then asked on GAF to compare for fun) and why I even engage in being a dope. I do hold most of you in good faith even though we clearly disagree on most everything.

Quote from: Mandark on March 30, 2013, 09:08:39 AM

Personally I couldn't imagine it even being a contest between the moral weight of a fetus and an actual person, unless you're looking at it with such reverence for life that the lives of all animals and the more clever plants are inviolate.  But chacun a son gout.

I don't know if this answers, and I know I'm not perfect at it, but I do prefer to use as much of the animal as possible. I save bones for stock and stuff. I eat gizzards, etc. It's nowhere near perfect, but I want to minimize outsourcing my killing anyway. I hope they use it if I don't.

And I guess logical position sways towards favoring the woman but emotion drags in the other direction, and it's why I pull the cop-out and leave it to the states. It's like gay marriage in that I think or least hope we will solve it culturally more than have to legislate. (Although I may prefer one position.) Even if it does take time. I know that's different, same as I think interracial marriage or slavery is different. But abortion is an instance where I am conflicted and hope we can solve it in some manner rather than the others in which I hope people came come to the right decision. For example I think Plan B is a good advance, I'd rather "stop" it as quick as possible than try to legislate when life begins. I guess I hope we can "science" this out. Even though that makes me sound like a fucking idiot by trying to pass the buck on an issue that I'd rather try to avoid deciding for everyone on.

Especially since I don't have a womb last I checked.

/incoherent ramblings

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Okay, time for Ask a Libertarian!

If you think that actual libertarians are ~1% of the population, what are the implications of that?  Beyond the usual strategy conundrums (third party vs. co-opting GOP vs. ad hoc coalitions, blah blah).  Is there some fundamental aspect of libertarianism that prevents it from from ever winning enough public support to be implemented, or is there some confluence of social/economic/cultural factors that could change?  Are you guys ever gonna win?

I'm asking this because to a certain degree, I think it's fair for people to say "presume there was political will for my program" when they propose something untested or radical.  Cause otherwise anything new gets shut down with "but people have always eaten people!"  But eventually, you do need public support and acceptance to carry out any kind of political change.

In this case, you're talking about revamping the entire political system, so I think the question of how to get and sustain support is rather an important one.  Beyond that, we're talking about a philosophy that, in many of its forms, puts a large emphasis on the ability of individuals to make decisions in their own best interest, yet these individuals keep voting for collectivism.  I'm vaguely aware of some public choice models that square the circle by showing how voting doesn't produce results reflecting what people "really" want as a market would, but is that stuff legit or is it just apologetics?

Well, I'm beyond a cynic. Road to Serfdom isn't a warning to me, it's basically a declaration.

And this does come off really fucking dark. But I guess I've long been resigned to it. I really don't try to convince anyone, maybe make a slight dent to make someone think about something.

I don't think voting represents the market. There's no real cost to voting. Not saying there should be, but if you go to the store and buy something there's repercussions. In voting. I was one of four people to vote for Gary Johnson in my precinct. We had to write him in. If Romney won Michigan would it matter. If he won our precinct. There was only ever one winner. Either at the state or national, etc. Everyone else can go fuck themselves, voting against or not.

I mean if you could "buy" anything and "pay" nothing is it a market? Obvious quotes at the end*.

At a further level I guess if pressed I would never imagine liberalism wins. We aren't far enough past feudalism. We want a king and nobles still.

I suppose if anything all I want to introduce into any discussion is skepticism if I can.

If this post doesn't sound like some nutjob I don't know what does.

The answer is essentially: no, it's not what they want in the political "market". But it's not about winning short-term. Mises, Hayek and Freidman and even Ron Paul have had an effect. That's not nothing.

I think public choice works, I can't really accept another way. I don't want to be that asshole on the internet who talks about his poli sci shit but public choice is the one that makes the most sense to me. And I know people see it as a critique and wrong but I don't just imagine it as the obvious thing. Why wouldn't someone act mostly within it? I also have history background which is like double confirmation for me so maybe that might be it.

I'm rambling or something.

Actually, looking up, at Mises and Hayek and Freidman. It kinda clarifies my position on everything. "The Pretense of Knowledge." It's what they all argued and it's probably why I'm a libertarian or anarchist. I can't just accept you have the divine right to inherently rule over others. No matter if you claim you'll bring benefits to the masses.

And yes, I'm exaggerating there to illustrate.

I don't buy the "science" behind "policy." I don't think monopolies are best. Especially those established by force. The idea that someone can grab some aggregate stats (OR LESS) and guide life is insane to me (and mildly hilarious, ask AWESOME-O) and we aren't even into the moral quandaries.

I went far far far far outside your question, but you guys can probably pick at it for a while.

To add onto this though, I think life is and will get better. Through technology. I think even as the state continues to ratchet down on us we keep resisting and will keep resisting and developing new ways to communicate and interact and frustrate the state. And that's part of why I don't think we need it anymore even if we did. We have capabilities now that are far beyond any human, we can do things that would make us gods sorta. We don't need lawyers holed up in one location writing shit down to decide how we should live. We can be more powerful through Tea Parties or Occupy or whatever was going on with Chick-Fil-A or thwarting American Idol winners or posting on The Bore or not buying WiiU's or who knows. I guess I can't grasp why people want the state to inflict one size fits all rules, regulations and life on them when we have someone like Gabe over there with his big bushy beard. And when Gabe gets in bed with the state, why do we pick the state instead of picking neither?

I'm starting to ramble again so I guess I'll just leave it here for you guys.

*

Quote from: Alexis de Tocqueville

The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.

Maybe I'll just stick these down here as well to hopefully illustrate part of where I'm coming from on most everything?

Quote from: Murray Rothbard

Fortunately for the cartelists, a solution to this vexing problem lay at hand. Monopoly could be put over in the name of opposition to monopoly! In that way, using the rhetoric beloved by Americans, the form of the political economy could be maintained, while the content could be totally reversed. Monopoly had always been defined, in the popular parlance and among economists, as “grants of exclusive privilege” by the government. It was now simply redefined as “big business” or business competitive practices, such as price-cutting, so that regulatory commissions, from the Interstate Commerce Commission to the Federal Trade Commission to state insurance commissions, were lobbied for and staffed by big-business men from the regulated industry, all done in the name of curbing “big business monopoly” on the free market. In that way, the regulatory commissions could subsidize, restrict, and cartelize in the name of “opposing monopoly,” as well as promoting the general welfare and national security. Once again, it was railroad monopoly that paved the way.

Quote from: Lysander Spooner

But these men who claim and exercise this absolute and irresponsible dominion over us, dare not be consistent, and claim either to be our masters, or to own us as property. They say they are only our servants, agents, attorneys, and representatives. But this declaration involves an absurdity, a contradiction. No man can be my servant, agent, attorney, or representative, and be, at the same time, uncontrollable by me, and irresponsible to me for his acts. It is of no importance that I appointed him, and put all power in his hands. If I made him uncontrollable by me, and irresponsible to me, he is no longer my servant, agent, attorney, or representative. If I gave him absolute, irresponsible power over my property, I gave him the property. If I gave him absolute, irresponsible power over myself, I made him my master, and gave myself to him as a slave. And it is of no importance whether I called him master or servant, agent or owner. The only question is, what power did I put into his hands? Was it an absolute and irresponsible one? or a limited and responsible one?

Quote from: Calvin Coolidge

About the Declaration there is a finality that is exceedingly restful. It is often asserted that the world has made a great deal of progress since 1776, that we have had new thoughts and new experiences which have given us a great advance over the people of that day, and that we may therefore very well discard their conclusions for something more modern. But that reasoning can not be applied to this great charter. If all men are created equal, that is final. If they are endowed with inalienable rights, that is final. If governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, that is final. No advance, no progress can be made beyond these propositions. If anyone wishes to deny their truth or their soundness, the only direction in which he can proceed historically is not forward, but backward toward the time when there was no equality, no rights of the individual, no rule of the people. Those who wish to proceed in that direction can not lay claim to progress. They are reactionary. Their ideas are not more modern, but more ancient, than those of the Revolutionary fathers.

Not that I agree with everything from these three men, or even everything in these quotes, but these are three decent quotes to explain my worldview I suppose. I came back to toss this in because the upper parts of this post weren't dumb enough it should have some more appeal to authority in it!

TL;DR: libertarianism and liberalism are dead in our lifetimes.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2013, 11:18:41 AM

Apologies for that, it's really fucking long. And non-responsive. Though I'm sure answers can be picked out of it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 30, 2013, 11:31:38 AM

haven't read it yet, but :bow

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2013, 12:14:34 PM

In conclusion Ron Paul fans remind me of that LL Cool J diss from Ripper Strikes Back: 99% of your fans don't exist.

There are real libertarians out there but most seem like they're just mad Obamao is spending their money.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on March 30, 2013, 01:12:47 PM

Benji, it does seem as though your view of humanity fluctuates, and is at times very dark and at others somewhat idealized.  I can not make heads or tails of a model in which, on the one hand, humanity is not psychologically evolved enough to embrace liberal political ideals, and on the other hand, that a lawless or unregulated free market will for the most part encourage humanity to make autonomous and creative choices through technology.  Where do those servile and sadistic components of humanity go under a free market system?

You can take that question as rhetorical because I can tell you don't really want to get drawn out in to an extended debate.  From where I stand though, those darker elements are simply baked in to the cake regardless of the economic or political model, which necessitates the need for every system to have some level of regulation.  It's ugly, but it only gets uglier otherwise. 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 31, 2013, 05:35:29 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/people-who-think-google-is-honoring-hugo-chavez (http://www.buzzfeed.com/louispeitzman/people-who-think-google-is-honoring-hugo-chavez)

Title: This gag works better out loud
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2013, 07:04:08 PM

But seriously, on a day when we reflect on the death of Jesus, should we really be celebrating Cesar?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 31, 2013, 07:06:16 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2013, 10:09:21 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 31, 2013, 07:04:08 PM

But seriously, on a day when we reflect on the death of Jesus, should we really be celebrating Cesar?

He was pretty good as The Joker, but I don't see what the big deal is.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2013, 09:15:41 AM

Lots of communist talk at the Easter lunch table. I can't imagine it's any different from the same bullshit 50 years ago. Congrats fox news, even Easter dinner isn't off limits for your viewers to regurgitate 2nd generation verbal diarrhea.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2013, 09:21:28 AM

Who am I gonna gay marry for tax benefits?

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/georgia-gop-chair-warns-that-straight-people-will?ref=fpb

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2013, 09:30:00 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on April 01, 2013, 09:15:41 AM

Lots of communist talk at the Easter lunch table. I can't imagine it's any different from the same bullshit 50 years ago. Congrats fox news, even Easter dinner isn't off limits for your viewers to regurgitate 2nd generation verbal diarrhea.

Can't complain.  Had dinner with the Catholic branch of the family, and they dyed eggs with gun control and gay marriage themes.

:rock My family. :rock

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 01, 2013, 10:23:08 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 01, 2013, 09:39:01 AM

Real talk: both of those other guys that you just threw under the bus have accomplished more in life than you have. But congrats on being the resident policy authority on a 30 person forum. Since, you know, condescending internet posts are totally an awesome substitute for actually doing something in the real world, though I'm sure you clean a mean pair of bowling shoes.

Aww yeah, GS gettin' ornery for no reason. :rock

  I want a full comparison of their accomplishments with Mandark's!  Go!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 01, 2013, 10:38:33 AM

(http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/foxnation-20130329-eastereggrollfatcamp.png)

 :gurl

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2013, 10:39:50 AM

Yeesh.  Figured when I wrote "I'm just being a dick" it would pretty clearly signal self-deprecation, but guess not.  I don't think Himu would consider himself backstabbed by that post, but whatevs.

Anyways, GS, I'm not taking this personal, cause I know you have a tendency for online blood feuds and stuff, and hey, I have been pretty condescending to you.  And I probably will be again!  But understand that it's not a reflection of what I think of you as a person or of your professional/academic prospects, just my reaction to whatever it is you wrote.

You don't want to start taking forum bullshit as an assault on your worth as a human.  That way lies madness (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=31487.0).

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on April 01, 2013, 10:40:03 AM

Mandark seemed to be implying that he didn't act entirely in good faith towards those posters, so it's interesting that you would construe the post as throwing them under the bus.

edit: beaten, whatevs

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2013, 11:02:23 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 01, 2013, 09:21:28 AM

Who am I gonna gay marry for tax benefits?

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/georgia-gop-chair-warns-that-straight-people-will?ref=fpb

I almost hate to bring up the obvious...but...well...can't people already get fake married and reap the benefits? Without the social stigma of marrying someone of the same sex? Shocking I know

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2013, 11:03:04 AM

Quote

I'll just say this: in my opinion Fux News is a last resort for kinda-sorta-almost-journalists whose options have been severely limited by their extreme and intolerant views; a media colostomy bag that has begun to burst at the seams and should be emptied before it becomes a public health issue.

I sincerely believe that in time, good people will lose patience with the petty and poisonous behavior of these bullies and Fux News will be remembered as nothing more than a giant culture fart that no amount of Garlique could cure.I sincerely believe that in time, good people will lose patience with the petty and poisonous behavior of these bullies and Fux News will be remembered as nothing more than a giant culture fart that no amount of Garlique could cure.

- Jim Carrey

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2013, 11:05:44 AM

PD:  You obviously haven't seen this hard-hitting documentary (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0762107/) on the subject.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I do think it's great that someone acknowledges a system where a lot of people don't have access to good medical insurance or retirement benefits, and their solution is to... stop gays from getting married.

[close]

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2013, 05:22:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/CONAi3k.png)
oh yes

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 01, 2013, 06:09:12 PM

 :mynicca

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 01, 2013, 10:08:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2013, 05:22:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/CONAi3k.png)
oh yes

Bonertime

Can't wait for POTUS Biden and his Secretary of State, Hillary Clinton

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 01, 2013, 11:37:19 PM

I think it would be awesome to get President Hillary and another two rounds of Vice President Biden for maximum conservative coronaries.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2013, 11:45:08 PM

Rand Paul should put his dad on the ticket.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2013, 11:52:02 PM

I want someone who will continue the conservative freak out- pretty much any female democrat would do, but a President Barney Frank would absolutely kill a lot of people.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2013, 09:09:10 AM

I would vote for Barney Frank.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 02, 2013, 10:12:40 AM

Let's check in on NYC's mayoral race and see how the candidates are shaping up, shall we?

Quote

Democratic State Senator Malcolm Smith wanted to be mayor of New York City so badly that he was willing to pay city Republicans thousands of dollars to let him run on their ticket, according to charges filed by the FBI this morning. Smith was arrested at his home around sunrise, while City Councilman Daniel Halloran, Smith's alleged ally on the other side of the aisle, was handcuffed in Queens. "I have no idea," Halloran told reporters of the arrest. "I'm sure the truth will come out once I have an opportunity to find out what's going on."

The FBI believes they have some idea: "Smith was trying to buy off Republican leaders because he needed the party's support in at least three boroughs in order to run as a GOP candidate without even changing his own party affiliation," according to the Post. The Times reports that Smith was allegedly rewarding Halloran for his help along the way, although Smith "steadfastly denies these charges," his lawyer said.

Also picked up in the probe were Noramie F. Jasmin, the mayor of Spring Valley in Rockland County; her deputy Joseph Desmaret; and two others identified as Vicent Tabone and Joseph Savino.

Prior to this mess, Halloran was best known for a conspiracy theory on intentionally slow snowplows, which proved to be unfounded. Smith, whose name has come up in at least two other bid-rigging and corruption scandals, most notably held a sad spectacle of a press conference in Times Square to denounce Lil Wayne for reasons no one can remember at this point, if they ever knew. The stunt was part of a press blitz last summer, in which he attempted to drum up support for a mayoral run on the GOP side. "Smith and the Republicans," our own Chris Smith wrote at the time, "have nothing to lose. Maybe we haven't hit the bottom in 2013 candidate speculation. But we're getting close." And here we are.

oh.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2013, 01:32:38 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUzm-xTl9jk

I can't support anyone who introduces himself as from Queens, then gives a list of rappers from Queens that includes "50 Cents" and Nicki Minaj but does not include Nas or Prodigy.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2013, 01:36:55 PM

Well, that didn't take long:

Quote

After LGBT medical students called for Carson's replacement as the commencement speaker for the class of 2013, he attempted to claim that he hadn't been "equating" gays with pedophiles or those who engage in bestiality, while apologizing "if anybody was offended." He also said he would be willing to step down as commencement speaker.

Quote

But on Levin's show, Carson went on the offensive, saying that the criticism he has received proves that he's right that "political correctness is threatening to destroy our nation because it puts a muzzle over honest conversation." He added that "the attacks against me have been so vicious because I represent an existential threat" to his critics, who he says "take my words, misinterpret them, and try to make it seem that I'm a bigot."

After Levin claimed that Carson has been "attacked also, in many respects, because of your race" because "a lot of white liberals" don't like black conservatives, Carson replied, "Well, they're the most racist people there are. Because you know, they put you in a little category, a little box, 'you have to think this way, how could you dare come off the plantation?'"

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/02/ben-carson-goes-on-the-offensive-lashes-out-at/193420

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2013, 01:52:21 PM

Mark Kirk became the second republican senator to endorse marriage equality today, bringing the total to 50 US senators.

never forget
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/05/15/may-6-2012-the-day-obama-lost/

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2013, 01:57:58 PM

I wonder how much Token Black Republican pays. It sounds like a pretty good gig if you can get it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2013, 02:14:26 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2013, 01:57:58 PM

I wonder how much Token Black Republican pays. It sounds like a pretty good gig if you can get it.

Once they teach you how projection works, it pays for itself.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2013, 02:39:45 PM

Gotta say it's pretty depressing seeing Carson stoop to that level. The "plantation" shit is pathetic. Granted I certainly have met more than a few white liberals (especially academic types) who have said some shockingly ignorant stuff about black republicans; and of course plenty of black democrats make ugly comments/accusations about black republicans. But the idea that this is so widespread that white liberals "are the most racist people there are" is just ignorance. Especially coming from someone as smart as Carson. I'm sure Carson has grown resentful of people he felt were shitting on him due to his political beliefs; he's a super successful African American, I'm sure local MA dems tried to recruit him to various things over the years before he made his conservatism public.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 02, 2013, 11:52:20 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/161438/americans-widely-back-government-job-creation-proposals.aspx?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=gallupnews&utm_campaign=syndication

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2013, 12:00:56 AM

Tough shit, 'merica.  Your stern, disapproving daddys in the GOP know what's best for you- austerity.  Because ZOMG BLACK PRESNINT

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2013, 01:09:58 AM

government spending is lower than it's been since Eisenhower yet we can't get a single infrastructure bill through congress due to "herp derp spending bad." Fuck this earth

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 03, 2013, 09:11:45 AM

American's voted for Obama. Now they must suffer.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2013, 09:36:05 AM

I sure am glad the majority of NC voters made the rational choice to elect an all republican state govt, because now we're finally tackling the important fiscal issues like making sure people don't get to vote and shit like this

http://www.wral.com/proposal-would-allow-state-religion-in-north-carolina/12296876/

I for one can't wait for all of the money that's going to get wasted defending all of the dumb shit these yokels are passing in the courts before it's all tossed out as unconstitutional.  FISCAL CONSERVATISM IN ACTION, BITCHES!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2013, 10:16:36 AM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-states-with-weak-gun-laws-suffer-higher

States with lax gun laws experience a higher level of gun-related violence than those with stronger firearms laws on the books, according to findings from a report released Wednesday.

Herpaderp let's get more guns

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 03, 2013, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2013, 10:16:36 AM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-states-with-weak-gun-laws-suffer-higher

States with lax gun laws experience a higher level of gun-related violence than those with stronger firearms laws on the books, according to findings from a report released Wednesday.

Herpaderp let's get more guns

That's actually a little bit surprising since you would expect the states with strict laws to be the ones with more urban population. I guess Florida would skew things a little since it has pretty lax gun laws.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 03, 2013, 02:41:10 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 03, 2013, 09:36:05 AM

I sure am glad the majority of NC voters made the rational choice to elect an all republican state govt, because now we're finally tackling the important fiscal issues like making sure people don't get to vote and shit like this

http://www.wral.com/proposal-would-allow-state-religion-in-north-carolina/12296876/

I for one can't wait for all of the money that's going to get wasted defending all of the dumb shit these yokels are passing in the courts before it's all tossed out as unconstitutional.  FISCAL CONSERVATISM IN ACTION, BITCHES!

Quote

"The Constitution of the United States does not grant the federal government and does not grant the federal courts the power to determine what is or is not constitutional; therefore, by virtue of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, the power to determine constitutionality and the proper interpretation and proper application of the Constitution is reserved to the states and to the people," the bill states.

 :beli

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2013, 02:53:22 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on April 03, 2013, 02:10:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2013, 10:16:36 AM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-states-with-weak-gun-laws-suffer-higher

States with lax gun laws experience a higher level of gun-related violence than those with stronger firearms laws on the books, according to findings from a report released Wednesday.

Herpaderp let's get more guns

That's actually a little bit surprising since you would expect the states with strict laws to be the ones with more urban population. I guess Florida would skew things a little since it has pretty lax gun laws.

Here's the relevant chart from the report:

(http://i.imgur.com/RER2Cma.png)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 03, 2013, 03:01:53 PM

:missouricry

once again, the hillbillies ruin it for the rest of us

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 03, 2013, 05:31:47 PM

I'm surprised Nebraska is so low, they love them some guns

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 03, 2013, 05:54:19 PM

It's pretty obvious that BOs gov policies stem from the latest smash console. Drones are still a big thing, and the US bees are taking a serious population hit. COD MW and HALOs viral marketing, along with the Israelis. Something about bees that makes the jews all with the repogramming.

The PS4 looks great, and there are more chillax Indy games, that he can share with his frosty government dudes and dudettes. By using the powers of the PStrip.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 03, 2013, 06:15:32 PM

We seriously need to like our own posts guys.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 04, 2013, 02:05:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEKDahm58s8

*insert joke here*

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2013, 02:32:02 PM

Your boss is just trying to bring the best out of you by hitting you and calling you a feg, you're an adult, you can just leave if you don't like it.  :skip

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 04, 2013, 02:45:22 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 04, 2013, 02:05:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEKDahm58s8

*insert joke here*

Sean Hannity, fan of highly paid public employees abusing black people.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2013, 03:26:18 PM

Reminds me of Jonah Goldberg on the Daily Show back in the very early days of the Iraq war, saying he preferred a wrathful, Old Testament God.  These dudes love to bitch about pussified, emasculated modern culture, but how much time have they spent in physical confrontation over the last decade compared to, say, time spent in a chair having makeup applied?

Goes without saying that Hannity's defending this cause he can only imagine himself as the coach rather than a player.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 04, 2013, 03:28:36 PM

Also, apply the same thing to a Rutgers classroom and see what the media says.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2013, 03:31:01 PM

Students need to be protected from liberal brainwashing (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-f-will-schools-push-a-curriculum-of-propaganda/2013/04/03/6d25550e-9bc1-11e2-a941-a19bce7af755_story.html), not physical assault.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 04, 2013, 03:32:39 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 04, 2013, 03:28:36 PM

Also, apply the same thing to a Rutgers classroom and see what the media says.

Nah, that's too easy. Instead, assume that the Rutger's basketball team just won the national championship. Now what's the media reaction like?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2013, 03:35:36 PM

How is not wanting a coach to abuse players a symptom of political correctness? As I said in the NBA thread, there's a way to chew the shit out of players without going over the line
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bLq8Zs5MRU
That's fine. I've been chewed out by a coach before, but you don't need to have that experience to generally know what's acceptable and what isn't. Kicking players and throwing balls isn't acceptable.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2013, 03:36:43 PM

PD, kicking players is the sort of proven leadership style that's allowed Rutgers to finish 12th, 11th, and 13th in their conference under Mike Rice, and it would be a shame if we let the PC libtards shut down legitimate, effective discipline.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2013, 03:45:49 PM

Indeed. Also as others have said, if Rutgers was winning would anyone be complaining? Bobby Knight kicked his players' asses too.

Reminds me of when Michigan's football program was hit with NCAA violations for practicing over the allowed amount. That shit happens in many programs, but the alumni/players wanted Rich Rodriquez fired so they threw him under the bus. I wonder who was taping practices at Rutgers, and for how long.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 04, 2013, 03:50:24 PM

I hope we find out that Coach K forcibly sodomizes Duke players with broom handles or something

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2013, 04:49:43 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 04, 2013, 03:50:24 PM

I hope we find out that Coach K forcibly sodomizes Duke players with broom handles or something

And that one of the victims was Kobe Bryant.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 08, 2013, 11:54:23 AM

This is from 2009:

(http://i.imgur.com/Rv7t9tr.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 08, 2013, 12:40:07 PM

fucking lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 08, 2013, 02:24:47 PM

Cuba Gooding Jr., why?  :damn

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 09, 2013, 12:39:47 AM

Okay, someone help me out on this and tell me what I'm not getting with the argument about lowering corporate tax rates while closing the loopholes.

WSJ dipshit, Stephen Moore made this argument on Real Time the other day so that the corporations who are currently paying zero or close to zero taxes won't be able to get away with paying such low rates (essentially create a corporate flat tax). I understand what he's TRYING to get at, but like with many things, the more one digs in, the less sense it makes.

Let's use GE as an example (as it's the one that Maher used), who paid nothing in taxes last year. Even though our marginal rate is 35%, GE is doing just fine due to all the loopholes and whatnot. It would be reasonable to think that GE wouldn't take too kindly to this flat tax proposal to lower the marginal tax rates to 17% (Moore's suggestion) and close the loopholes so that GE would be presumably paying the 17% rate.

But doesn't that contradict one of the other right wing arguments, that corporations will never bring their money back to the U.S. to be taxed? I mean, Moore doesn't make it sound like he wants to give the corporations the option of paying what tax rates they prefer. The only reason they're going overseas to all these tax shelters and whatnot, is because we're simply allowing them to do so!


That post might be kind of inarticulate, but I hope y'all get what I'm trying to get at.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2013, 03:24:17 PM

Quick answer?  Lowering taxes are easier than closing loopholes, so why they say they're doing two things, only one will be probably happen.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 09, 2013, 03:42:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 09, 2013, 03:24:17 PM

Quick answer?  Lowering taxes are easier than closing loopholes, so why they say they're doing two things, only one will be probably happen.

This.  It's easier to continue the dog and pony show this way with the added bonus of pandering to a base that loves the phrase "lower taxes".  Win/Win.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 09, 2013, 08:44:19 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 09, 2013, 03:24:17 PM

Quick answer?  Lowering taxes are easier than closing loopholes, so why they say they're doing two things, only one will be probably happen.

Quote from: Mupepe on April 09, 2013, 03:42:10 PM

This.  It's easier to continue the dog and pony show this way with the added bonus of pandering to a base that loves the phrase "lower taxes".  Win/Win.

Right, so in the end, the goal is not to actually wind up having the rich pay more?

Yeah, yeah I know these are Republicans we're talking about, but I was hoping to give them the benefit of the doubt, and see if the voodoo arguments actually work in real life.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2013, 09:35:28 PM

Contra's got it.

Lower rates and fewer loopholes is something that most economists would recommend, and makes some ethical sense, too: a simpler tax code means less opportunities for favoritism and the corruption that comes with it.

Problem is, it's quite hard to get rid of tax breaks and harder still to keep them from creeping back in.  Industry lobbies are very well-organized, can claim to represent huge numbers of workers, and can almost always marshal plausible arguments as to why some particular subsidy makes for good policy.  Even if you're a liberal there are probably a ton of targeted tax breaks you'd be willing or eager to support (for education, climate, nutrition, etc).

So there's a very good chance that you slash the overall rate and make up for it by closing loopholes, only new exceptions start being added yearly.  Now you've got a lower rate and a bunch of exploits.  It's generally harder to raise the rate or close loopholes unless there are sweeteners that make it revenue neutral (like the changes you made before), so the practical effect is to ratchet down tax receipts.  You could call this a slippery-slope argument, but it's not crazy.

Basically, if elected officials are willing to vote away the special subsidies and protections for their biggest home-state lobbies, then it could work.  But that almost never happens and there aren't any signs that this Congress would be particularly better.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2013, 11:11:41 PM

It's hard to eliminate tax loopholes; they'll find their way back into various bills no matter what. Whereas if you lower or raise a rate it stays that way for a long time (see: Bush taxes). I'd support lowering the corporate tax rate if only to get rid of the "we have the highest corporate tax rate in the entire world" meme. That's pretty much the only good it would do. GE is still going to avoid taxes no matter what the rate is, unless you end loopholes, but of course the loopholes are so broad that it'll be argued that eliminating them will hurt businesses.

I'm curious to see whether Obama will negotiate with himself on this issue, and agree to a repatriation holiday in exchange for...well, nothing.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2013, 08:57:47 AM

Is everyone ready for the return of Tony's Weiner???

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/anthony-weiner-admits-hes-considering-nyc-mayors-race?ref=fpb

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2013, 09:02:46 AM

I wonder if he's ever bumped into Mark Sanford out hiking on the appalachian trail? Maybe they could share pointers.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2013, 11:04:29 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI00xfNV5kI

Quote

"[Ashley Judd]'s clearly, this sounds extreme, but she is emotionally unbalanced. I mean it's been documented," the aide said. "Jesse can go in chapter and verse from her autobiography about, you know, she's suffered some suicidal tendencies. She was hospitalized for 42 days when she had a mental breakdown in the '90s."

And what's the response from McConnel?

Quote

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) accused the “political left” of bugging his campaign headquarters after a secret tape emerged of a strategy session regarding Ashley Judd’s potential candidacy and her mental health.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 10, 2013, 11:08:18 AM

I reeeeeaaaalllly want to see Mitch gone. Worthless turd.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 10, 2013, 11:14:02 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on April 10, 2013, 11:08:18 AM

I reeeeeaaaalllly want to see Mitch gone. Worthless turdle.

.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on April 10, 2013, 11:20:41 AM

Unfortunately we are all stuck with McTurdell until he retires. Judd never stood a chance in hell of beating him - hell, I'm not even sure that the state democratic party here wants to see him lose.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 11:44:28 AM

I'm glad Judd was bullied out. She's the type of bad candidate that would negatively impact other races too, like Christine O'Donnell. Really don't understand how such a liberal bleeding heart decided she wanted to be a senator in Kentucky.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2013, 11:46:34 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 11:44:28 AM

Really don't understand how such a liberal bleeding heart decided she wanted to be a senator in Kentucky.

She didn't, which is why she never actually said she was going to run.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 12:44:02 PM

Nationally isn't McConnell the lowest rated of any major politician of any party?  Only in Kentucky can that be considered a "sure thing".

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2013, 12:49:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 12:44:02 PM

Nationally isn't McConnell the lowest rated of any major politician of any party?  Only in Kentucky can that be considered a "sure thing".

Yeah, he is. He's even got really terrible poll numbers in his home state.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 01:49:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 12:44:02 PM

Nationally isn't McConnell the lowest rated of any major politician of any party?  Only in Kentucky can that be considered a "sure thing".

yea but he has a 20m war chest and democrats have pretty much become an endangered species in the south since Obama's election. I wonder why.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 02:05:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 01:49:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 12:44:02 PM

Nationally isn't McConnell the lowest rated of any major politician of any party?  Only in Kentucky can that be considered a "sure thing".

yea but he has a 20m war chest and democrats have pretty much become an endangered species in the south since Obama's election. I wonder why.

That was my point :shaq2

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 02:10:58 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 02:05:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 01:49:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 12:44:02 PM

Nationally isn't McConnell the lowest rated of any major politician of any party?  Only in Kentucky can that be considered a "sure thing".

yea but he has a 20m war chest and democrats have pretty much become an endangered species in the south since Obama's election. I wonder why.

That was my point :shaq2

we form like Voltron :obama

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 02:25:57 PM

Did the interracial emoticon get removed? :'(

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2013, 02:34:02 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 02:25:57 PM

Did the interracial emoticon get removed? :'(

:interracial

Nope, it's just a secret for Bore Gold members only.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 02:43:02 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2013, 02:34:02 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 10, 2013, 02:25:57 PM

Did the interracial emoticon get removed? :'(

:interracial

Nope, it's just a secret for Bore Gold members only.

:hump

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 04:03:56 PM

speaking of interracial lovin'

Quote

As Rand Paul told it, the biggest problem keeping African Americans from voting Republican is that they didn’t know Republicans have long been leaders on abolition and civil rights. As students at Howard University heard it, the problem was that Paul was condescending, misleading, and removed from the issues facing their community.

Paul devoted almost none of his speech Wednesday at the historically black college in Washington, D.C., to explaining the GOP’s thorny relationship with black voters over the last fifty years, and most of it arguing that “the Republican Party has always been the party of civil rights and voting rights.” His history lecture focused almost entirely on the period before 1964, when the GOP began to champion the states rights arguments of southern whites. Echoing a popular conservative talking point, Paul repeatedly reminded the audience that Democrats passed Jim Crow laws in the south and that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, as were the first black legislators and the founders of the NAACP.

“Would everyone know here they were all Republicans?” he said at one point, referring to the NAACP’s founders.

“Yes!” came the booming response from nearly the entire audience, who appeared offended Paul would even raise the question.

(rest at link)
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/04/rand-pauls-gets-credit-for-trying-not-much-else-in-awkward-howard-speech.php?ref=fpa

To many republicans and most libertarians, black political history goes a little like this:

1770something: Democrats create slavery, Founding Fathers object
1860something: Lincoln frees the slaves
1870s-1900s: Democrats institute Jim Crow laws
1990s: George Bush nominates Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court; democrats create reverse racism in response
2010: Obama revives slavery (Obamacare)

I don't think anyone denies that black people used to be republicans. The thing that annoys me is that republicans use that as a selling point to argue blacks should be republicans today too, while completely ignoring the last 60 years outside of a couple snippets ("democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act!").

Black people were largely republicans until 1932. Herbert Hoover won the presidency in 1928 with large black support due to various pledges he made to southern blacks after the Great Missisippi Flood of 1927; basically many black areas were devastated and he was in charge of that period's equivalent of FEMA, As the refugee situation became worse and racial tensions arose, he slowly backed out of a series of promises he had made as a candidate. A great depression and four years later he lost to FDR, who had strong black support despite largely ignoring civil rights; my grandparents loved him, and really loved his wife.

But democrats didn't solidify blacks into their coalition until 1964 with the CRA; of course even before that the Kennedys made inroads with blacks through MLK. And of course Nixon's Southern Strategy and the migration of dixiecrats to the republican party further strengthened that coalition, which lasts to this day and probably won't change anytime soon.

You'll never hear a republican today acknowledge any of this, or even admit the Southern Strategy was/is a real thing. Minoritity voting habits in the United States tend to be based on who did and didn't act like a dick towards them at one point in the past. Irish people vote democrat because east coast republicans acted like dicks towards them in the 1800s, Cubans vote (or did before 2012 lolol) republican because JFK acted like a dick towards them during the Cuban Missile Crisis*, Arabs vote democrat because republicans treat them like dicks, etc.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*acted like a dick in terms of bungling the Bay of Pigs, from their perspective.

[close]

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2013, 06:21:59 PM

Quote

During a meeting of the Saline County, Kan. Commission last Tuesday, a discussion over whether to hire an architect to design repairs to local bridges turned heated. Commissioner Jim Gile argued that the county should hire an architect rather than "distinguished black fellow-rigging it."

Quote

When Gile was asked what he said, he replied, "Afro-Americanized."

Quote

"I am not a prejudiced person," Gile said. "I have built Habitat homes for colored people."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/kansas-official-drops-n-word-insists-he-isnt?ref=fpb

 :jada

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 06:38:13 PM

"I am not a prejudiced person, I have built Habitat homes for colored people."

sounds like a newsfeed quote from FoC

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2013, 06:59:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 06:38:13 PM

"I am not a prejudiced person, I have built Habitat homes for colored people."

sounds like a newsfeed quote from FoC

 :dead

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 10, 2013, 08:22:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 04:03:56 PM

speaking of interracial lovin'
*many words*

it doesnt help when your worldview is based around thinking most people are brainwashed and that you must bring the "truth" to them - in the form of conspiracy theories, skewered history, and naive ideological proposals.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 10, 2013, 10:22:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2013, 04:03:56 PM

speaking of interracial lovin'

Quote

As Rand Paul told it, the biggest problem keeping African Americans from voting Republican is that they didn’t know Republicans have long been leaders on abolition and civil rights. As students at Howard University heard it, the problem was that Paul was condescending, misleading, and removed from the issues facing their community.

Paul devoted almost none of his speech Wednesday at the historically black college in Washington, D.C., to explaining the GOP’s thorny relationship with black voters over the last fifty years, and most of it arguing that “the Republican Party has always been the party of civil rights and voting rights.” His history lecture focused almost entirely on the period before 1964, when the GOP began to champion the states rights arguments of southern whites. Echoing a popular conservative talking point, Paul repeatedly reminded the audience that Democrats passed Jim Crow laws in the south and that Abraham Lincoln was a Republican, as were the first black legislators and the founders of the NAACP.

“Would everyone know here they were all Republicans?” he said at one point, referring to the NAACP’s founders.

“Yes!” came the booming response from nearly the entire audience, who appeared offended Paul would even raise the question.

(rest at link)
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/04/rand-pauls-gets-credit-for-trying-not-much-else-in-awkward-howard-speech.php?ref=fpa

To many republicans and most libertarians, black political history goes a little like this:

1770something: Democrats create slavery, Founding Fathers object
1860something: Lincoln frees the slaves
1870s-1900s: Democrats institute Jim Crow laws
1990s: George Bush nominates Clarence Thomas for the Supreme Court; democrats create reverse racism in response
2010: Obama revives slavery (Obamacare)

I don't think anyone denies that black people used to be republicans. The thing that annoys me is that republicans use that as a selling point to argue blacks should be republicans today too, while completely ignoring the last 60 years outside of a couple snippets ("democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act!").

Black people were largely republicans until 1932. Herbert Hoover won the presidency in 1928 with large black support due to various pledges he made to southern blacks after the Great Missisippi Flood of 1927; basically many black areas were devastated and he was in charge of that period's equivalent of FEMA, As the refugee situation became worse and racial tensions arose, he slowly backed out of a series of promises he had made as a candidate. A great depression and four years later he lost to FDR, who had strong black support despite largely ignoring civil rights; my grandparents loved him, and really loved his wife.

But democrats didn't solidify blacks into their coalition until 1964 with the CRA; of course even before that the Kennedys made inroads with blacks through MLK. And of course Nixon's Southern Strategy and the migration of dixiecrats to the republican party further strengthened that coalition, which lasts to this day and probably won't change anytime soon.

You'll never hear a republican today acknowledge any of this, or even admit the Southern Strategy was/is a real thing. Minoritity voting habits in the United States tend to be based on who did and didn't act like a dick towards them at one point in the past. Irish people vote democrat because east coast republicans acted like dicks towards them in the 1800s, Cubans vote (or did before 2012 lolol) republican because JFK acted like a dick towards them during the Cuban Missile Crisis*, Arabs vote democrat because republicans treat them like dicks, etc.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*acted like a dick in terms of bungling the Bay of Pigs, from their perspective.

[close]

I find it funny how the whole "Republicans freed the slaves, and fought against the evil Democrats" line is always brought up in the context of attacking Black people/defending White people.

To say that Republicans today are still the party of Black people is like saying Britney Spears is still a singing sensation because Oops I did it Again was popular in 2000.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Someone can come up with a far more clever metaphor.

[close]

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2013, 10:34:46 PM

Like saying that I'd bang Helen Mirren right now because she was hot in Excalibur.

...wait, that one may not be as good.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2013, 08:41:19 AM

She's more qualified than, say, Rand Paul.  Whose main qualifications are that he's named after Ayn Rand and is related to Ron Paul, from all I can figure.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 11, 2013, 03:21:15 PM

BENGHAZI 2:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/11/state-department-denies-coverup-diplomat-killed


State Department denies cover-up over diplomat killed in Afghanistan

Anne Smedinghoff was killed walking to a media event, not in an armoured vehicle, but US denies misleading reporters

A US diplomat killed by a suicide bomber in southern Afghanistan was walking to a media event at a nearby high school when the attacker struck, and not travelling in a vehicle convoy as the State Department originally said.

Anne Smedinghoff died on Saturday, along with three soldiers and one other US civilian in Qalat, the small capital of Zabul province. It was the first time a State Department diplomat has been killed in Afghanistan since the 1970s.

At the time of the attack, Smedinghoff was returning from an abortive effort to escort Afghan journalists to a high school barely 50 metres from the gate of the US base in town, a survivor said. The provincial governor was attending a book handover at the school, and the group were planning to report on the ceremony.

The governor's convoy of armoured SUVs passed by as the journalists, soldiers and diplomats were nearly back inside the base and it was then that the suicide bomber detonated his explosives, Afghan journalist Ahmed Zia Abed told McClatchy newspapers.

The Taliban, who claimed the attack, said the bomber had been waiting for either the governor's vehicles or a US military convoy to pass by.

Abed, who was wounded by the blast, told the paper that the diplomats and journalists had got lost. However, the extremely close proximity of the school to the military base makes that seem unlikely, particularly as the group were escorted by US soldiers stationed in Zabul, who would have known the area and mapped out even the shortest movement in advance.

The US embassy in Kabul referred all questions about the attack to the State Department in Washington DC, which confirmed that the group were travelling on foot.

Statements made immediately after the bombing suggested that a car full of explosives had rammed into some kind of armoured vehicle carrying Smedinghoff, pictured, and others. Secretary of state John Kerry, who paid moving and personal tribute to the young diplomat, described the attacker as someone who "drives into their [the diplomats'] vehicle".

The State Department, still smarting from accusations that it had tried to distort information about an attack on the US consulate in Benghazi in 2012, denied that it had intentionally misled reporters about what happened in Qalat.

The US ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, and three other Americans died in the Benghazi violence. For months after there was a heavy stream of mostly partisan attacks against the White House and the US ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, who were accused of attempting to cover up al-Qaida involvement in what was described as a terrorist attack.

Patrick Ventrell, the acting deputy press spokesman, said that early reports on Afghan TV and websites about the Zabul attack may have misled diplomats in other Afghan cities who were trying to pin down details of what happened form a distance.

"I think part of the initial confusion came about because there were reports in the media about the local governor and his convoy," he said. "Some of our initial reporting also indicated that, and that's why we weren't able to clarify right away. So our initial read on it was different, and we're now able to say that it was a convoy and they were walking."

The group were all "wearing personal protection gear and under escort of US soldiers", he added. Three of those soldiers died in the attack, along with a US Department of Defense civilian employee who has not been named, and an Afghan nurse who was also in the area.
Afghanistan Qalat school Afghanistan Qalat school. Photograph: Guardian

Four other State Department employees were wounded, including another media official Kelly Hunt, who was seriously injured and has been evacuated to Germany where she is in a medically-induced coma, according to a news website from her home state.

The State Department is reviewing security procedures, Ventrell said. Most diplomats and soldiers use armoured SUVs or even more heavily protected military MRAPs – mine resistant ambush protected vehicles – for most journeys around Afghanistan.

But it is not uncommon for groups of Nato soldiers and civilians to walk short distances near bases where security is considered relatively good, particularly when there are checkpoints on access roads and US spy blimps that can survey the area around the clock.

Zabul province neighbours Kandahar, the Taliban's birthplace. Sparsely populated, it has seen regular insurgent attacks but is usually considered less dangerous than other southern provinces.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

We really need a mean old man McCain emoticon

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2013, 03:42:29 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on April 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

We really need a mean old man McCain emoticon

Source material for anyone interested in accepting the challenge

(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/O/2/mctongue-pic.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 11, 2013, 04:09:51 PM

http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5895:warren-and-cummings-to-occ-and-federal-reserve-illegal-foreclosures-are-not-corporate-trade-secrets&catid=3:press-releases&Itemid=49

Quote

At a meeting yesterday, Warren, Cummings, and Rep. Maxine Waters, Ranking Member of the House Financial Services Committee, were informed by staff from the Federal Reserve and the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency (OCC) that they would not produce any documents relating to specific mortgage servicers involving illegal foreclosures, inflated fees, or fraudulent court documents.  Staff from the agencies claimed these documents are the “trade secrets” of mortgage servicing companies and should be withheld from Members of Congress because producing them could be interpreted as a waiver of their authority to withhold proprietary business information from the public.

 :mindblown

Where's mah pitchfork?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2013, 04:27:02 PM

Can a rapist withhold giving a sperm sample because that constitutes a trade secret?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2013, 05:03:19 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 11, 2013, 03:42:29 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on April 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

We really need a mean old man McCain emoticon

Source material for anyone interested in accepting the challenge

(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/O/2/mctongue-pic.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fp8fUMg.png)

And I went ahead and made this one, too:

(http://i.imgur.com/nP9uOqR.png)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2013, 05:14:43 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 11, 2013, 03:42:29 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on April 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

We really need a mean old man McCain emoticon

Source material for anyone interested in accepting the challenge

(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/O/2/mctongue-pic.jpg)

It's funny how that pic explains both Obama and McCain five years later.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2013, 07:30:20 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2013, 05:03:19 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 11, 2013, 03:42:29 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on April 11, 2013, 03:26:34 PM

We really need a mean old man McCain emoticon

Source material for anyone interested in accepting the challenge

(http://0.tqn.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/D/O/2/mctongue-pic.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Fp8fUMg.png)

And I went ahead and made this one, too:

(http://i.imgur.com/nP9uOqR.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/fVNpoEH.png)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2013, 08:57:18 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/dave-agema-compares-being-gay-to-alcoholism?ref=fpb

Well then!  Alcoholism, bestiality, pedophilia... apparently being gay is JUST LIKE everything except, you know, being gay. 

I am glad to see that the GOP continues to be successful in their attempts to moderate on social issues in order to not repel younger voters.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 11, 2013, 11:49:18 PM

Interestingly, being gay doesn't have a sin tax.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2013, 11:50:20 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on April 11, 2013, 11:49:18 PM

Interestingly, being gay doesn't have a sin tax.

We could balance the deficit by putting one on Madonna and Lady Gaga albums

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2013, 08:15:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5lxJLdAEks

:drudge PD ALERT :drudge

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2013, 08:18:56 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/swxSccX.png)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2013, 08:32:59 PM

The best part was Greg Gutfeld selling the hell out of that shit.

THAT IS THE. FUNNIEST THING. I HAVE EVER SEEN. IN MY LIFE.

Come on, Guteld, you know Patti Ann Browne is way harder than this bitch.  :comeon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbd0nnW-VMc

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2013, 08:35:31 PM

Red Eye is kind of amazing, like the Fox News version of The Onion.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2013, 08:40:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2013, 08:35:31 PM

Red Eye is kind of amazing, like the Fox News version of The Onion.

Actually, I think that would be Fox & Friends.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2013, 10:01:34 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 12, 2013, 08:15:15 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5lxJLdAEks

:drudge PD ALERT :drudge

The worst thing about all of this is that I've been forced to defend the Camel  :scusthov

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:34:10 AM

Did you guys see that clip of Rand Paul at that predominantly black university asking the (predominantly black) audience members if they knew the NAACP was founded by Republicans?

Oh, the things I imagine he wrote in his diary later that night...

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2013, 12:35:46 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:34:10 AM

Did you guys see that clip of Rand Paul at that predominantly black university asking the (predominantly black) audience members if they knew the NAACP was founded by Republicans?

Ctrl+f dude.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2013, 12:37:36 AM

I haven't seen the clip, but I did make a billion word post about the whole thing

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:40:11 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 13, 2013, 12:35:46 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:34:10 AM

Did you guys see that clip of Rand Paul at that predominantly black university asking the (predominantly black) audience members if they knew the NAACP was founded by Republicans?

Ctrl+f dude.

Balls.

I saw that Paul's trip to the university was posted, but didn't see that part about him asking the question.

Next time, Gadget. Next time..

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2013, 11:38:59 PM

Why the fuck is Michelle Bachman on the House Intelligence Committee
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rep-michele-bachmann-completely-baffles-john-brennan-with-bizarre-questions-during-cia-hearing/ 
(video)

The comments and behavior are bizarre until you realize she's basically just showing off that she is in possession of classified intel. I noticed she would constantly humble brag about being privy to such intel during the GOP debates, and I'd imagine this is just her signaling to her constituents that she's an Important Person. What a fuck up.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2013, 11:41:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2013, 11:38:59 PM

Why the fuck is Michelle Bachman on the House Intelligence Committee

Because she's a Tea Party darling. That's the only reason.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on April 15, 2013, 12:32:07 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:40:11 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 13, 2013, 12:35:46 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:34:10 AM

Did you guys see that clip of Rand Paul at that predominantly black university asking the (predominantly black) audience members if they knew the NAACP was founded by Republicans?

Ctrl+f dude.

Balls.

I saw that Paul's trip to the university was posted, but didn't see that part about him asking the question.

Next time, Gadget. Next time..

You quoted and replied to PD's post about it!  On this page!

:lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 15, 2013, 01:03:43 PM

Where's your Go(l)d now?

http://money.cnn.com/2013/04/15/investing/gold-prices-china/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2013, 03:07:33 PM

Quote

It is a logical impossibility for Social Security to go bankrupt. We can voluntarily choose to suspend or eliminate the program, but it could never fail because it “ran out of money.” This belief is the result of a common error: conceptualizing Social Security from the micro (individual) rather than the macro (economy-wide) perspective. It’s not a pension fund into which you put your money when you are young and from which you draw when you are old. It’s an immediate transfer from workers today to retirees today. That’s what it has always been and that’s what it has to be–there is no other possible way for it to work.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2013/01/07/social-security-rerun/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2013/01/07/social-security-rerun/)

This article has the best explanation for how SS works I've seen so far. Read the whole thing. Why the hell can't Obama and the Democrats explain this in such a way?

Quote from: Boogie on April 15, 2013, 12:32:07 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:40:11 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 13, 2013, 12:35:46 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2013, 12:34:10 AM

Did you guys see that clip of Rand Paul at that predominantly black university asking the (predominantly black) audience members if they knew the
NAACP was founded by Republicans?

Ctrl+f dude.

Balls.

I saw that Paul's trip to the university was posted, but didn't see that part about him asking the question.

Next time, Gadget. Next time..

You quoted and replied to PD's post about it!  On this page!

:lol

I know, I was specifically talking about that question segment. I missed that portion in PD's original post.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2013, 04:25:45 PM

Gotta say it's very depressing to see democrats join in on the "social security is going bankrupt" meme. It's not true, and the program can be completely fixed with one fell swoop (raising or eliminating the income cap). There is no justification for benefit cuts.

Pretty sure this makes Obama the only democrat president to call for SS cuts. Pathetic.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2013, 09:27:00 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 16, 2013, 03:07:33 PM

Quote

It is a logical impossibility for Social Security to go bankrupt. We can voluntarily choose to suspend or eliminate the program, but it could never fail because it “ran out of money.” This belief is the result of a common error: conceptualizing Social Security from the micro (individual) rather than the macro (economy-wide) perspective. It’s not a pension fund into which you put your money when you are young and from which you draw when you are old. It’s an immediate transfer from workers today to retirees today. That’s what it has always been and that’s what it has to be–there is no other possible way for it to work.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2013/01/07/social-security-rerun/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/johntharvey/2013/01/07/social-security-rerun/)

This article has the best explanation for how SS works I've seen so far. Read the whole thing. Why the hell can't Obama and the Democrats explain this in such a way?

Because the link between contributions and benefits is a big part of why it's universally supported.  As long as the public conceptualizes SS as something people have earned through setting aside FICA taxes, it's generally immune to the criticism and resentment you see with welfare, unemployment insurance, food stamps, etc.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: drew on April 16, 2013, 11:06:34 PM

my only problem with SS is that you're not given the choice to opt out. as a handsome young man who gets paid by the hour it can be frustrating seeing that on your check when you could use that money more now, rather than later when I will have had a real job for some time.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2013, 11:48:56 PM

Quote from: drew on April 16, 2013, 11:06:34 PM

my only problem with SS is that you're not given the choice to opt out. as a handsome young man who gets paid by the hour it can be frustrating seeing that on your check when you could use that money more now, rather than later when I will have had a real job for some time.

I would be all for allowing people to opt out, but only if when you're old and broke because you're an idiot and have wasted your money, I get to shoot you rather than have to help keep you afloat.

I'm talking you specifically, not in general.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: drew on April 17, 2013, 12:46:19 AM

but when I am an old man you will be a dead man!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2013, 12:48:49 AM

You're only as old as you feel.  I've been dead inside for at least 10 years.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2013, 12:57:25 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 16, 2013, 11:48:56 PM

Quote from: drew on April 16, 2013, 11:06:34 PM

my only problem with SS is that you're not given the choice to opt out. as a handsome young man who gets paid by the hour it can be frustrating seeing that on your check when you could use that money more now, rather than later when I will have had a real job for some time.

I would be all for allowing people to opt out, but only if when you're old and broke because you're an idiot and have wasted your money, I get to shoot you rather than have to help keep you afloat.

I'm talking you specifically, not in general.

I'd allow people to opt out just so I can become a senator and create the Reagan Paul Welfare Program (RPWP) in 40 years. Only libertarians and republicans who decided to opt out of social security and are now poor/in need of boot strap pullin' up would be eligible to apply.

The program would offer a meal a day, a brown nurse, and an Aryn Rand coloring book

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: drew on April 17, 2013, 01:02:14 AM

well as for myself I plan on Yukon Manning it for the latter part of my life, at least until I get old enough for when tripping in my backyard in the middle of winter would be a death sentence, life alert or not, lol.  Then I'll have my family put me into a home where I can sip on sublingual morphine every afternoon while I chill out in front of my smart wall.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2013, 01:04:42 AM

I'm not paying for your morphine, freeloader.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 17, 2013, 04:13:27 AM

drew, the problem is that old people are lazier and greedier. It's just a natural thing that happens with age. As a result, they will rely on their children or government on giving them as much money as they can pressure/vote them into doing so.

So when you get old and you get some US GUVMENT generic viagra in the mail while watching Top Shot season 347, just look back at what I said today and pop a big ol' government-subsidized gun broner.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2013, 10:57:55 AM

Today, I'm spending my time researching the early-20th century labor movement [for a book I'm working on] and it's really amazing how similar some of the rhetoric being thrown around then is to some of the rhetoric being thrown around now, just replace "Bolshevism" with "communism/socialism."  There was even one guy, Ole Hanson [Seattle mayor, 1919], who was basically a prototypical Fox News contributor [he resigned as mayor after helping stymie a general strike, so that he could tour the country and make a ton of money talking about how awesome he was and how bad commies were]. You really don't hear much of anything about this now, but this period of time was incredibly chaotic, violent, and paranoid.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2013, 12:23:26 PM

There's some really crazy stuff that went on back then. You had unionizers fighting police and state militia, private companies beating up and shooting people, and violent clashes involving all them at once. People that talk fondly of the past [and berate unions] don't have any idea what went on during this time period, or what kind of corporate practices led to this in the first place.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 17, 2013, 12:26:24 PM

You really need to watch Matewan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matewan)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2013, 12:27:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 17, 2013, 12:26:24 PM

You really need to watch Matewan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matewan)

I saw that while I was looking around. Was really hoping that it was available on Netflix streaming, but no dice.  :(

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 17, 2013, 12:45:17 PM

NH Legislator Sorry for Calling Women 'Vaginas'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nh-legislator-calls-women-vaginas-house-email-18977117#.UW7QKvLD-Uk (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nh-legislator-calls-women-vaginas-house-email-18977117#.UW7QKvLD-Uk)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2013, 12:59:11 PM

Quote from: Yeti on April 17, 2013, 12:45:17 PM

NH Legislator Sorry for Calling Women 'Vaginas'
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nh-legislator-calls-women-vaginas-house-email-18977117#.UW7QKvLD-Uk (http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nh-legislator-calls-women-vaginas-house-email-18977117#.UW7QKvLD-Uk)

Pretty shocking stuff. He's a Republican but yet he was still able to say the word "vagina"?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 17, 2013, 02:30:59 PM

If only a republican mouth had a way of shutting down before talking about anything relating to women.
Must be Akin's disease.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2013, 03:20:04 PM

Well then! 

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/mark-sanford-trespassing-complaint-90211.html?hp=f3

Either way this will have a hilarious ending... SC votes to send this Appalachian Trail hiking, stalking creepazoid to Congress, or they elect Colbert's sister.  I'm betting on Sanford still managing to win because, you know, South Carolina.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2013, 03:32:25 PM

haha she gave him her blessing to run months ago, and now drops the bomb on him. Perfect revenge.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2013, 04:05:25 PM

Quote

and met her at the back steps under the light of my cell phone when she returned and told her what had happened.

Sounds like the most romantic "divorced guy trespassing at his ex-wife's house" ever.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 17, 2013, 04:09:44 PM

No redblooded American son should have to watch the superbowl alone.  :usacry

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2013, 08:07:54 PM

well, gun control is 100% dead

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2013, 08:12:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2013, 08:07:54 PM

well, gun control is 100% dead

American politics- where an issue that has 80+% support can get 54 votes in the Senate, but that means it doesn't pass, and even if it did it would have died quicker than a six year old in a hail of bullets in the House.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2013, 08:20:06 PM

We can always squirt out more kids, but we've only got one 2nd Amendment, COG.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2013, 08:22:54 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 17, 2013, 08:12:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2013, 08:07:54 PM

well, gun control is 100% dead

American politics- where an issue that has 80+% support can get 54 votes in the Senate, but that means it doesn't pass, and even if it did it would have died quicker than a six year old in a hail of bullets in the House.

"Sure, we may have defeated a bill capable of saving lives, but gun sales are UP!"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 17, 2013, 08:38:26 PM

God I wish I was in an industry where my customer base is dumb enough to make me tons of money when my product kills children :fbm

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2013, 11:33:49 PM

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/world/europe/more-children-in-greece-start-to-go-hungry.html?ref=greece&_r=1&

“All around me I hear kids saying: ‘My parents don’t have any money. We don’t know what we are going to do,’ ” said Evangelia Karakaxa, a vivacious 15-year-old at the No. 9 junior high school in Acharnes.

Acharnes, a working-class town among the mountains of Attica, was bustling with activity from imports until the economic crisis wiped out thousands of factory jobs.

Now, several of Evangelia’s classmates are frequently hungry, she said, and one boy recently fainted. Some children were starting to steal for food, she added. While she did not excuse it, she understood their plight. “Those who are well fed will never understand those who are not,” she said.

“Our dreams are crushed,” added Evangelia, whose parents are unemployed but who is not in the same dire situation as her peers. She paused, then continued in a low voice. “They say that when you drown, your life flashes before your eyes. My sense is that in Greece, we are drowning on dry land.”

Geez, are things ever gonna start getting better in Greece?  :-\

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on April 18, 2013, 01:37:03 AM

Sure. Every country in the Eurozone needs to spend even less money, then we'll all be richer and then nobody starves. They're just not cutting hard enough.[/Troika]

I hope everyone comes to their senses really soon but I fear they will suggest more cuts before they admit that we're ruining the south, as if the existing problems weren't bad enough. Even the IMF doubts austerity is helping a whole lot but it seems to be falling on deaf ears. Angela "there is no alternative" Merkel isn't going to change HMS Neo-Liberalia's course unless it blows up in her face.  She's nothing if not pragmatic. If it's not threatening her position she won't do shit. Polls say that Germany loves her, no doubt in part because she's being tough on the "lazy South" and 'doing pretty well' during the crisis.
The only real opposition (SPD) is worthless (think New Labour) so she's probably going to get re-elected. The only ones who have even remotely sensible opinions on the matter are the far left and they're being ostracized by the other parties, so they have no chance of even forming coalitions with anyone. But who knows, maybe people will flock to them instead of the new Euro-sceptic, 'back to the Deutsche Mark, bugger the consequences' protest party that's popped up and been likened to a German Tea Party movement, but I doubt it.

Reading the news is more agitating than usual, for sure. A dubious study comes out showing that German households have less money than Cypriot, Italian and even Spanish households? Ha, see! Make 'em pay, make 'em pay! Oh, domestic demand is slowing (17% fall in new car registrations), hm, what a mysterious development. Cars must be too expensive these days. Never mind the whitewashed poverty report that showed how more and more Germans are coming near or falling below the poverty line. Never mind the millions of workers on benefits because they don't earn enough to live. Never mind the fact that Germany has the highest income equality in the EU and that we've been wage dumping these last ten years to build up this absurd export industry which violates stability pacts in its own way and is hence not exactly helping the other members of the Eurozone. We're doing the right thing here.

/rant

edit: Merkel just identified minimum wages as part of the problem in the affected countries. :lol Can you say "class warfare"? She's strictly against a universal minimum wage in Germany as well, because it would (supposedly) endanger our economy. Even 8,50€ has already been shot down. What a sick joke.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on April 18, 2013, 10:58:10 AM

The Leftists in Greece need to fucking do something already.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 18, 2013, 12:14:15 PM

Mitch McConnel posted this on his Facebook:

(http://i.imgur.com/lKZa710.jpg)

 :beli Thanks for the no Filibuster reform, Harry Fucking Reid.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yoritomo on April 18, 2013, 12:49:54 PM

Contrary to my posts on Gaf I have to say that universal background checks and CCW reciprocity would have been pretty badass. AWB got hammered and magazine limit also failed even 50 votes.

Bill would have been a net positive for people who have a permit.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 18, 2013, 02:09:44 PM

Gabby Giffords went in fucking hard today

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/18/opinion/a-senate-in-the-gun-lobbys-grip.html?_r=0

Quote

SENATORS say they fear the N.R.A. and the gun lobby. But I think that fear must be nothing compared to the fear the first graders in Sandy Hook Elementary School felt as their lives ended in a hail of bullets.

the whole thing is quite brutal

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 03:03:55 PM

I'm honestly surprised anyone thought a gun control bill ever had a shot at becoming law this year, with a GOP House, yet a ton of people are genuinely disappointed at this news.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 18, 2013, 03:31:38 PM

I'm honestly not surprised so many people on the right thought this had a chance in hell and made millions for the gun industry. 

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yoritomo on April 18, 2013, 03:41:00 PM

The 94 Assault Weapons Ban passed with a 61-38 majority

The AWB amendment was rejected from being added to s. 649 40-60

There's far less support for any weapons bans than existed in 94.

With Crime falling the only thing that can rally support is shooting sprees, and we just had probably the most emotionally devastating spree in Newtown, where someone killed a bunch of kids with an assault weapon... and the ban was still thoroughly rejected.

So what scenario would it actually take for a ban to occur?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 18, 2013, 03:43:33 PM

Quote from: Yoritomo on April 18, 2013, 03:41:00 PM

So what scenario would it actually take for a ban to occur?

Mass shooting at the Republican National Convention?

Uhh...not that I'm suggesting such a thing.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 18, 2013, 03:44:30 PM

leftist minorities with guns?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 18, 2013, 03:54:34 PM

I would think a scenario where a kindergarten room was shot up, but I'm not sure anymore.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2013, 03:55:20 PM

Quote from: Eric P on April 18, 2013, 03:44:30 PM

leftist minorities with guns?

Worked for Reagan (https://www.google.com/search?q=reagan+black+panthers+gun)!

But seriously, the gun lobby is much more organized and effective than the anti-gun lobby, and poll numbers are halfway to meaningless (people support all sorts of crap when you ask them in a phone survey, but that's very far from translating to political momentum).  Plus it's a cultural issue, which means it's subject to all the tribalism and paranoia that comes with it.  So you can't expect a compromise even if, like Yoritomo said, the compromise would actually benefit legal gun owners.  There's a fundamental mistrust.


As an aside, Obama didn't run on gun control.  Not sure of the practical effect, but it sure seems harder to pass agenda items that were largely absent from the campaign (ie Bush and SS privatization).

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 18, 2013, 04:22:14 PM

It would need to be a bunch of Arabs with legally purchased guns shooting up a bunch of white folk for anything to happen.

The Panther stuff is a good fall back when talking about Reagan.  It confuses most Republicans that widespread gun control was more the work of their hero than the Dems.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 18, 2013, 04:25:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/bxEGUEy.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 18, 2013, 04:28:17 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on April 18, 2013, 04:25:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/bxEGUEy.jpg)

Nah, it's not ironic, because guns and Voter IDs both serve the same purpose: protecting whitey from dirty minorities.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2013, 04:33:50 PM

Gun control was never going to pass with Obama in the White House; he inspires too much hatred amongst the NRA crowd.

20 plus suburban kids got killed, and even that couldn't propel a watered down, weak background check bill (that was sponsored by two senators with A ratings from the NRA) through the senate. There's no hope on this issue given rural representation in the house and senate, gerrymandered districts, and Obama in the White House; and there won't be next time if Hillary is president either

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 20, 2013, 10:31:52 AM

It's not going to happen for a long, long time.  I'm talking many, many years.  Better get used to that.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 20, 2013, 10:40:22 AM

I don't think anyone ever expected gun control to pass, but I don't think rational people consider a simple background check at time of purchase to be gun control.

I am friends with some gun nuts and they thought it was a victory that the only part of Obama's push that made it to the finish line were background checks, and they thought it was a good idea to boot.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on April 22, 2013, 01:39:56 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LORVfnFtcH0

well damn

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on April 22, 2013, 01:43:11 PM

But how are you supposed to fight the gubmint without semi-automatic rifles?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yoritomo on April 22, 2013, 05:49:52 PM

Ar-15s are modern muskets and money is modern speech.

The constitution is awesome.

 :patel

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 22, 2013, 05:50:04 PM

Welp, looks like Sanford's wife got him good with that lawsuit

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-colbert-busch-opens-up-9-point-lead

Gonna be fun to have Colbert's sister in Congress for a year or whatever

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 22, 2013, 06:35:20 PM

It'd be funny if none of Colbert's clips can be used as attack ads against her since he's using ostensibly saying right-wing things.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 22, 2013, 07:03:38 PM

I saw sanford at chile's in nashville two weeks ago

his son is a fucking special fellow

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2013, 07:26:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHAexV4Gg-s
:skip

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 22, 2013, 07:33:23 PM

For a second I thought that said "John Walsh" and I was sad. Joe Walsh is a broke-ass, washed-out, racist Tea Party assclown who doesn't a second of TV time unless it's during a VH1 Remember the 10's segment on broke-ass, washed-out, racist tea party assclowns.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2013, 09:30:00 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/04/23/bush-is-back/

Quote

Aside from the “memories fade” point, many of his supposed failures are mild compared to the current president (e.g. spending, debt). Unlike Obama’s tenure, there was no successful attack on the homeland after 9/11.

Quote

7 1/2 years of job growth

(http://i.imgur.com/lHtA1lS.gif)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2013, 09:32:44 AM

Take away all the really horrible, terrible, awful things that happened during those 8 years and Dubya was actually kinda okay!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 24, 2013, 10:27:59 AM

I'd expect nothing less than high class ball washing from Jen Rubin.  :yuck

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2013, 01:34:21 PM

I forgot to quote this line too:

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Only when we see a robotic, cold president like Obama do we remember fondly the tender, tearful love of country Bush often conveyed and the steely anger directed at our enemies.

 :gladbron :heh :holeup :jada :jawalrus :kobeyuck :krs :larry :lawd :leo :leon :merchant :mindblown :mynicca :favre :beli :badass :babylawd :aah :gurl

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 24, 2013, 01:40:38 PM

The best thing about Bush was that no one could take the awful shit this country did during those eight years seriously.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2013, 01:42:10 PM

Don't see how anyone can take Rubin seriously after she completely embarrassed herself during the campaign/election. I only read her tweets now, for comedy

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2013, 02:10:24 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PqdJs1F.jpg)

Mark Sanford debating a cardboard cutout of Nancy Pelosi.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 24, 2013, 02:12:19 PM

He looks nervous while she's cool and composed.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2013, 02:45:27 PM

He went from being a potential 2012 presidential candidate to debating a Nancy Pelosi cardboard cutout on the corner of some small town.

(the only thing Obama has truly done perfect over the last 5 years is make republicans go utterly insane)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 24, 2013, 03:00:00 PM

Oops!

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/former-romney-intern-charged-in-nude-picture-blackmail?ref=fpblg

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2013, 03:22:51 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 24, 2013, 03:00:00 PM

Oops!

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/former-romney-intern-charged-in-nude-picture-blackmail?ref=fpblg

"next time shave your bush first. You're a professional woman with a degree, not some jungle woman"

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4666/greenshinobi.png)

[close]

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2013, 06:39:04 PM

Quote

The brothers accused of planting bombs at the finish line of the Boston Marathon, and later murdering a police officer in Cambridge, are "twisted, perverted, cowardly knock-off jihadis" who failed to instill fear in the American people, Vice President Joe Biden said at a memorial service for the slain officer Wednesday.

"It infuriates them that we refuse to bend, refuse to change, refuse to yield to fear," Biden said at the afternoon event honoring of Sean Collier. "The doctrine of hate and oppression, they've found out cannot compete with the values of openness and inclusiveness. And that's why they're losing around the world."

The service for Collier, a campus police officer at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, came more than a week after the two blasts killed three people and wounded hundreds. The accused perpetrators shot Collier to death in his cruiser Thursday night as he was responding to a loud disturbance call, setting off a series of events that left one of the suspected bombers dead and the other the subject of a day-long manhunt.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/04/24/biden-says-knock-off-jihadis-cant-break-american-spirit/?hpt=hp_t1
(http://i50.tinypic.com/a0yqua.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 24, 2013, 06:55:13 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2013, 09:30:00 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2013/04/23/bush-is-back/

Quote

Aside from the “memories fade” point, many of his supposed failures are mild compared to the current president (e.g. spending, debt). Unlike Obama’s tenure, there was no successful attack on the homeland after 9/11.

Quote

7 1/2 years of job growth

(http://i.imgur.com/lHtA1lS.gif)

Fuck you for trolling me into reading that.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2013, 08:02:01 PM

Sorry, someone hacked my account and posted that. :(

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 24, 2013, 08:07:57 PM

Prole has done the same thing on Facebook with WSJ op-eds.  :'(

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2013, 08:45:53 PM

Here's something to make up for it; Pat Boone trying to oldsplain the national debt:

Quote

I’ve often thought of the Republican and Democrat parties in comparison to Daddy and Mama. Mama was unfailingly generous, always preparing big meals and letting us kids know we could bring our friends home for dinner, without even calling home for permission. She took in stray animals (and a few stray people) and sometimes asked Daddy if we could help some neighbor near us who was in need. And I would hear Daddy respond, “Margaret, I’m having trouble paying our own bills. If we keep trying to help everybody else, we’ll have to find somebody to help us!”

In my analogy, Mama was the “Democrat” and Daddy the “Republican.” Both are good hearted, caring people, but one was generous to a fault and  the other was trying to preserve the structure and live within our means, so we could survive as a family!

http://rare.us/story/pat-boone-wed-all-better-become-conservative/

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 24, 2013, 08:47:42 PM

Conservatives discover the worst thing about Tamerlan Tsarnev

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tamerlan_tsarnaev_got_mass_welfare_benefits

The nerve!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2013, 09:02:14 PM

his wife worked 80 hours a week while he sat on his ass doing nothing? as if he wasn't already an asshole for the bombing, this is like icing on a poop cake

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2013, 09:05:35 PM

Man, that dude was living the life. Should have just played video games or something instead.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on April 25, 2013, 09:04:15 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2013, 09:02:14 PM

his wife worked 80 hours a week while he sat on his ass doing nothing? as if he wasn't already an asshole for the bombing, this is like icing on a poop cake

Give the man some credit.  He did do something

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2013, 09:05:57 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2013, 08:45:53 PM

Here's something to make up for it; Pat Boone trying to oldsplain the national debt:

Quote

I’ve often thought of the Republican and Democrat parties in comparison to Daddy and Mama. Mama was unfailingly generous, always preparing big meals and letting us kids know we could bring our friends home for dinner, without even calling home for permission. She took in stray animals (and a few stray people) and sometimes asked Daddy if we could help some neighbor near us who was in need. And I would hear Daddy respond, “Margaret, I’m having trouble paying our own bills. If we keep trying to help everybody else, we’ll have to find somebody to help us!”

In my analogy, Mama was the “Democrat” and Daddy the “Republican.” Both are good hearted, caring people, but one was generous to a fault and  the other was trying to preserve the structure and live within our means, so we could survive as a family!

http://rare.us/story/pat-boone-wed-all-better-become-conservative/

 :supergay :comeon

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 25, 2013, 11:53:25 AM

I'm glad Pat Boone thinks of poor folks needing assistance as from another family, like they aren't even American.

Also you could just as easily read that as Pat Boone throwing Israel under a bus.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2013, 12:17:09 PM

Isreal is family, welfare recipients are the stray animals Democrats sometimes can talk the Republicans into letting us take in.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2013, 01:19:19 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 24, 2013, 08:47:42 PM

Conservatives discover the worst thing about Tamerlan Tsarnev

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/2013/04/tamerlan_tsarnaev_got_mass_welfare_benefits

The nerve!

Government-funded terrorism. Looks like Alex Jones was right. :smug

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2013, 08:45:53 PM

Here's something to make up for it; Pat Boone trying to oldsplain the national debt:

Quote

I’ve often thought of the Republican and Democrat parties in comparison to Daddy and Mama. Mama was unfailingly generous, always preparing big meals and letting us kids know we could bring our friends home for dinner, without even calling home for permission. She took in stray animals (and a few stray people) and sometimes asked Daddy if we could help some neighbor near us who was in need. And I would hear Daddy respond, “Margaret, I’m having trouble paying our own bills. If we keep trying to help everybody else, we’ll have to find somebody to help us!”

In my analogy, Mama was the “Democrat” and Daddy the “Republican.” Both are good hearted, caring people, but one was generous to a fault and  the other was trying to preserve the structure and live within our means, so we could survive as a family!

http://rare.us/story/pat-boone-wed-all-better-become-conservative/

I agree with him, the image of liberals as caring, giving, hardworking mothers and conservatives as drunken, abusive, layabout fathers is quite apt.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2013, 01:37:36 PM

Drunken, abusive, and just got home from losing the mortgage payment in a poker game. He has the nerve to complain about how the wife won't sleep with him. Turns on fox news and blames the liberals.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2013, 09:33:18 PM

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/wed-april-24-2013-bassem-youssef

some of the most potent ether I've seen

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2013, 03:19:40 AM

Why are these crazy people in charge of our economy? :(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY0QFGgWLLM

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2013, 09:00:18 AM

Jobs:

Quote

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for February was revised from +268,000 to +332,000, and the change for March was revised from +88,000 to +138,000. With these revisions, employment gains in February and March combined were 114,000 higher than previously reported.

Unemployment is at 7.5%.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 03, 2013, 09:55:32 AM

South Carolina's house passed a bill that make implementation of Obamacare a crime.  Good Jon, GOP.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2013, 12:42:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2013, 09:00:18 AM

Jobs:

Quote

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for February was revised from +268,000 to +332,000, and the change for March was revised from +88,000 to +138,000. With these revisions, employment gains in February and March combined were 114,000 higher than previously reported.

Unemployment is at 7.5%.

332k is the highest non Census month in a decade. And the Dow just reached 15k. Just imagine if Romney was president right now.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 03, 2013, 12:44:27 PM

seems like it will be a good day for my 401k

hey

that rhymed

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 03, 2013, 01:19:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2013, 12:42:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2013, 09:00:18 AM

Jobs:

Quote

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for February was revised from +268,000 to +332,000, and the change for March was revised from +88,000 to +138,000. With these revisions, employment gains in February and March combined were 114,000 higher than previously reported.

Unemployment is at 7.5%.

332k is the highest non Census month in a decade. And the Dow just reached 15k. Just imagine if Romney was president right now.

That was the plan. Romney getting credit for the recovery without doing a thing.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2013, 01:40:28 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 03, 2013, 09:55:32 AM

South Carolina's house passed a bill that make implementation of Obamacare a crime.  Good Jon, GOP.

Have they arrested Obama yet?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2013, 01:35:44 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/03/world/meast/israel-airstrike-syria/index.html

itshappening.gif...?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 04, 2013, 07:50:55 AM

http://www.fa-mag.com/news/harvard-professor-gay-bashes-keynes-14173.html

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Harvard Professor and author Niall Ferguson says John Maynard Keynes' economic philosophy was flawed and he didn't care about future generations because he was gay and didn't have children.

 :maf

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 04, 2013, 12:41:21 PM

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
harvard professor, folks

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2013, 01:19:38 PM

Sounds more like a fifth grader.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on May 04, 2013, 01:34:26 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 04, 2013, 07:50:55 AM

http://www.fa-mag.com/news/harvard-professor-gay-bashes-keynes-14173.html

Quote

Harvard Professor and author Niall Ferguson says John Maynard Keynes' economic philosophy was flawed and he didn't care about future generations because he was gay and didn't have children.

 :maf

Gay people are incapable of having empathy for other people! Wait, no, it's just Niall Ferguson who is incapable.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2013, 11:12:06 PM

Israel has entered the game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_j8ID-m1pU

welp, here we go fellas. Thanks a lot, Mandark.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2013, 12:53:48 AM

Man, that was a fierce explosion.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2013, 01:19:11 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2013, 12:53:48 AM

Man, that was a fierce explosion.

Sounds like something Keynes would say.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on May 05, 2013, 09:46:46 AM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/04/30/1205911/-Conservatives-less-likely-to-buy-same-lightbulbs-if-you-tell-them-it-will-help-the-environment

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2013, 10:04:49 AM

Worst part is that I read the link title and thought "that sounds about right."

Conservation used to be fairly bipartisan, even if environmentalism has more closely been associated with Democrats.  But climate change has turned into a very, very partisan issue (not gonna link-chase right now, but I think the percent of Republicans saying it's a sham has increased independent of actual scientific news) and that colors political opinions about "the environment."

People still tend to care across the spectrum when there are clear public health issues.  Folks who don't respond to "saving the environment" will still give a shit about stuff getting in the air, drinking water, etc.  It's just the really important but distant and intangible stuff that's easy to think of in tribal rather than real terms.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 05, 2013, 04:10:02 PM

A lot probably assume the bulbs are less bright or won't fit their lamps. It is easier to compare the packaging than the dimensions and lumens produced.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on May 07, 2013, 02:12:25 AM

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/

:dead

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2013, 06:03:08 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on May 07, 2013, 02:12:25 AM

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/

:dead

That is amazing.

I think GS is right about the light bulb thing, too.  I'd imagine that telling people a dish was healthy/vegan/whatever would have similar effects.


And then there's this: US air force sexual assault prevention unit chief charged with sexual battery (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/07/us-airforce-officer-charged-groping).  Not sure this goes in the politics thread, but we don't have a dedicated topic for irony.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2013, 06:36:16 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/05/huckabee-benghazi-will-drive-obama-from-office-90964.html#ixzz2SaG5p75F

Quote

What happened with Benghazi is not a “political issue” — “this goes all the way to the heart of the integrity of the United States government,” Huckabee said.

 :stahp

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2013, 07:36:22 PM

"Iraq? Err....what's that?"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2013, 09:57:45 PM

Someone has testified that the military called off the rescue mission, but there are also reports that it's unlikely they would have arrived in time; instead they might have just further escalated the violence. Everything else is FUD. No, Obama didn't casually watch them all die on some HD feed while chuckling to himself. I agree the WH has bungled this thing and hasn't had their story straight, but you get into dangerous territory when you accuse the president/government of willingly letting soldiers die, and watching it unfold live. It's a disgusting allegation that I'd expect to be coming from the gutter of the far right, not mainstream republicans.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2013, 12:28:24 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2013, 09:57:45 PM

Someone has testified that the military called off the rescue mission, but there are also reports that it's unlikely they would have arrived in time; instead they might have just further escalated the violence. Everything else is FUD. No, Obama didn't casually watch them all die on some HD feed while chuckling to himself. I agree the WH has bungled this thing and hasn't had their story straight, but you get into dangerous territory when you accuse the president/government of willingly letting soldiers die, and watching it unfold live. It's a disgusting allegation that I'd expect to be coming from the gutter of the far right, not mainstream republicans.

No difference anymore, you should know that after your votes in MI for Republicans :teehee

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 08, 2013, 02:34:51 PM

I propose another Bore deadpool, but instead of WiiU's failures, we bet on when the impeachment vote over Benghazi will take place.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2013, 02:56:03 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 08, 2013, 02:34:51 PM

I propose another Bore deadpool, but instead of WiiU's failures, we bet on when the impeachment vote over Benghazi will take place.

I think they'll wait until after the 2014 elections to see if they can regain the Senate, and then if they do, they'll double-impeach him for Benghazi and  for crashing the stock market. (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/05/07/1975471/impeach-stock-market/)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2013, 03:22:19 PM

I'm surprised the House doesn't impeach the president monthly, the same way they outlaw Obamacare monthly.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2013, 04:12:21 PM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/heritage-we-have-nothing-to-do-with-racial?ref=fpa

The Heritage Foundation is disavowing past recommendations regarding race, IQ, and immigration from Jason Richwine, the co-author of a recent study by the group claiming undocumented immigrants would add $6.3 trillion to the deficit if granted legal status.

“This is not a work product of The Heritage Foundation. Its findings in no way reflect the positions of The Heritage Foundation," Mike Gonzales, vice president of communications at Heritage, said in a statement. "Nor do the findings affect the conclusions of our study on the cost of amnesty to the U.S. taxpayer.”

Richwine argued in a 2009 paper that immigrants should be barred based on low IQ, which he claimed would have the effect of keeping out many Hispanics in particular, who may have a "genetic" predilection towards lower intelligence.

“No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against," Richwine wrote.

LOL

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 08, 2013, 04:14:33 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2013, 04:12:21 PM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/heritage-we-have-nothing-to-do-with-racial?ref=fpa

The Heritage Foundation is disavowing past recommendations regarding race, IQ, and immigration from Jason Richwine, the co-author of a recent study by the group claiming undocumented immigrants would add $6.3 trillion to the deficit if granted legal status.

“This is not a work product of The Heritage Foundation. Its findings in no way reflect the positions of The Heritage Foundation," Mike Gonzales, vice president of communications at Heritage, said in a statement. "Nor do the findings affect the conclusions of our study on the cost of amnesty to the U.S. taxpayer.”

Richwine argued in a 2009 paper that immigrants should be barred based on low IQ, which he claimed would have the effect of keeping out many Hispanics in particular, who may have a "genetic" predilection towards lower intelligence.

“No one knows whether Hispanics will ever reach IQ parity with whites, but the prediction that new Hispanic immigrants will have low-IQ children and grandchildren is difficult to argue against," Richwine wrote.

LOL

If we're doing IQ tests for citizenship, that means "sorry Kentucky"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2013, 04:34:16 PM

Almost too good to be true.  :lol

If this bill doesn't pass, despite wide republican support in the senate...lol. Republicans can trot out Rubio all they want but ultimately their base is still the same southern, far right idiots.

btw I actually will give dap to Rubio. He's busting his ass, and putting it on the line, to get this passed.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2013, 04:35:17 PM

Hispanics are too dumb to be citizens, Keynes was too gay to be an economist, and guns are too awesome to regulate. Just another week in Murrica.  :american

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 08, 2013, 07:35:16 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2013, 04:35:17 PM

Hispanics are too dumb to be citizens, Keynes was too gay to be an economist, and guns are too awesome to regulate. Just another week in Murrica.  :american

You left out "Al Gore is too fat for global climate change to be a thing"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 08, 2013, 07:58:28 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/07/mark-sanford-wins-south-carolina-special-election/

This is a must watch, especially the second half

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 10, 2013, 09:07:06 AM

Quote from: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/05/members-of-congress-finally-introduce-serious-dmca-reform/

New legislation sponsored by Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), Thomas Massie (R-KY), Anna Eshoo (D-CA), and Jared Polis (D-CO) takes a broader approach to the issue. In addition to explicitly legalizing cell phone unlocking, the Unlocking Technology Act of 2013 also modifies the DMCA to make clear that unlocking copy-protected content is only illegal if it's done in order to "facilitate the infringement of a copyright." If a circumvention technology is "primarily designed or produced for the purpose of facilitating noninfringing uses," that would not be a violation of copyright.

For example, Lofgren's bill would likely make it legal for consumers to rip DVDs for personal use in much the same way they've long ripped CDs. It would remove legal impediments to making versions of copyrighted works that are accessible to blind users. And it would ensure that car owners have the freedom to service their vehicles without running afoul of copyright law.

Congress doing something mildly worthwhile? No way!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 10, 2013, 12:57:52 PM

great

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/05/10/us/politics/ap-us-irs-political-groups.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Quote

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2013, 01:00:01 PM

I wonder if they could be inappropriately flagged for a drone strike?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2013, 01:24:07 PM

Looks like John McCain finally got around to watching that newfangled cable box this week

http://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-wants-to-blow-up-the-cable-industry-as-we-currently-know-it-2013-5

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2013, 01:31:23 PM

I give McCain dap; too bad the bill will die though. If I could just get ESPN, AMC, and TNT I'd do it in a heart beat. I don't have cable because I don't watch enough TV to justify the purchase; I tend to watch most shit online.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 10, 2013, 01:52:38 PM

I'd dump so many channels from my cable package in a heartbeat. Actually, I hardly even watch any cable channels at all, outside of The Science Channel and occasionally whichever channel is showing a Mavericks/Rangers/Cowboys game. Most of my TV watching these days comes through Crunchyroll and Netflix.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 10, 2013, 03:05:49 PM

I'd hang on to HBO, FX, ESPN, Comedy Central, IFC, Food Network, HGTV, CNN (for Bourdain), MSNBC, AMC, BBC America, Cooking Channel, NFL Network, MLB Network and Root Sports NW.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 11, 2013, 02:44:24 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on May 07, 2013, 02:12:25 AM

http://thomasfriedmanopedgenerator.com/

:dead

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/surprise-winner-in-thomas-friedman-porn-title-contest-20130510 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/surprise-winner-in-thomas-friedman-porn-title-contest-20130510)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 11, 2013, 04:57:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2013, 01:31:23 PM

I give McCain dap; too bad the bill will die though. If I could just get ESPN, AMC, and TNT I'd do it in a heart beat. I don't have cable because I don't watch enough TV to justify the purchase; I tend to watch most shit online.

You'd sign up for BBC America, and then sue them for false advertising.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 11, 2013, 05:02:26 PM

Glenn Greenwald is a Benghazi truther? The fuck?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 11, 2013, 06:45:32 PM

My facebook indicates that we are now scrutinizing talking points from TV interviews

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

This is now worse than Watergate, where no one died.

It's almost like we didn't have our actual Secretary of State go before the UN to talk about WMDs in Iraq in the last few years.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2013, 07:03:53 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 11, 2013, 05:02:26 PM

Glenn Greenwald is a Benghazi truther? The fuck?

No he's not. He has simply argued the government lied about why the attack occurred, which is true. The extremist view is that Obama let Stevens die because sending troops would prove that the war on terror hasn't been won - a ridiculous charge to any sane person.

I'm honestly more apt to believe Glen Beck than the other crazy people on this. We know the embassy was a CIA front, and I don't think it's outrageous to suggest an arms deal was going down, someone leaked info, and it got hit.

Ultimately this is mainly about spreading FUD and pre-emptively smearing Hillary before 2016. I'm not giving the administration a pass for lying but in the grand scheme of things the lie didn't really have an impact on anything. It's not like they, you know, lied to get is into a war that killed millions of people.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 11, 2013, 07:33:40 PM

glenn greenwald is a fucking dingus whos only a few more outrages away from becoming a libertarian conspiracy theorist. he used to go on rants about holding people accountable; slowly he morphed into someone whos always out to find what the government (along with the media) are hiding from us to take us over. whatever truth there might be in what hes saying or what issue hes looking at is overshadowed by his obsessive black-or-white with-us-or-against-us mentality.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 11, 2013, 08:52:22 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 11, 2013, 06:45:32 PM

My facebook indicates that we are now scrutinizing talking points from TV interviews

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/05/exclusive-benghazi-talking-points-underwent-12-revisions-scrubbed-of-terror-references/

This is now worse than Watergate, where no one died.

It's almost like we didn't have our actual Secretary of State go before the UN to talk about WMDs in Iraq in the last few years.

I believe the official report is that it's worse than (Watergate + Iran-Contra) x 10

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2013, 11:48:09 PM

It's amazing, really. Virtually everything that the Republicans and right wing media are trying, and failing, to pin on Obama are the same sorts of things that were ACTUALLY committed by Bush Jr. and his bunch. But was there any outrage from these guys back then? Of course not, they were too busy vehemently denying even the faintest whiff of wrongdoing and attacking anybody that said a bad word about the President.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 12, 2013, 04:33:34 AM

The modern right wing patriot : agreeing with a dem president is treason, disagreeing with a Rep president is treason.

Reading the Impeach twitters is something i'd previously get annoyed with but now? Its the predictable act of a completely troubled party - they have nothing to offer but obstruction and noisy fud spreading. Ultimately this is going to back fire and ensure that the right remains in opposition for an age (which is ultimately bad for everyone).

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2013, 02:00:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2013, 07:03:53 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 11, 2013, 05:02:26 PM

Glenn Greenwald is a Benghazi truther? The fuck?

No he's not. He has simply argued the government lied about why the attack occurred, which is true. The extremist view is that Obama let Stevens die because sending troops would prove that the war on terror hasn't been won - a ridiculous charge to any sane person.

I'm honestly more apt to believe Glen Beck than the other crazy people on this. We know the embassy was a CIA front, and I don't think it's outrageous to suggest an arms deal was going down, someone leaked info, and it got hit.

Ultimately this is mainly about spreading FUD and pre-emptively smearing Hillary before 2016. I'm not giving the administration a pass for lying but in the grand scheme of things the lie didn't really have an impact on anything. It's not like they, you know, lied to get is into a war that killed millions of people.

Why'd you get banned, yo?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2013, 02:05:16 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 12, 2013, 02:00:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2013, 07:03:53 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 11, 2013, 05:02:26 PM

Glenn Greenwald is a Benghazi truther? The fuck?

No he's not. He has simply argued the government lied about why the attack occurred, which is true. The extremist view is that Obama let Stevens die because sending troops would prove that the war on terror hasn't been won - a ridiculous charge to any sane person.

I'm honestly more apt to believe Glen Beck than the other crazy people on this. We know the embassy was a CIA front, and I don't think it's outrageous to suggest an arms deal was going down, someone leaked info, and it got hit.

Ultimately this is mainly about spreading FUD and pre-emptively smearing Hillary before 2016. I'm not giving the administration a pass for lying but in the grand scheme of things the lie didn't really have an impact on anything. It's not like they, you know, lied to get is into a war that killed millions of people.

Why'd you get banned, yo?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57440756&postcount=13350

It's a long running gaf-hop joke about dark skin v light skin, Blackace doesn't appreciate it.  :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 13, 2013, 03:09:57 AM

Shooting in New Orleans - right wing response hilariously predictable.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 09:04:16 AM

Quote from: Eric P on May 10, 2013, 12:57:52 PM

great

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/05/10/us/politics/ap-us-irs-political-groups.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Quote

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Internal Revenue Service inappropriately flagged conservative political groups for additional reviews during the 2012 election to see if they were violating their tax-exempt status, a top IRS official said Friday.

Organizations were singled out because they included the words "tea party" or "patriot" in their applications for tax-exempt status, said Lois Lerner, who heads the IRS division that oversees tax-exempt groups.

Surprise, surprise. The more that comes out about this, the more it becomes clear this is:

(http://i.imgur.com/zfW0UZU.gif)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2013, 09:11:44 AM

I heard on the news this morning that conservatives are calling on Obama to personally take responsibility and apologize for IRSgate and that it was worse than Benghazi plus Fast and Furious times 10.

Last part may have been imagined.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2013, 09:46:51 AM

it's hilarious because apparently this is being hailed as "NIXON BACK" by the right.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 13, 2013, 09:48:26 AM

Impeach based on fact there was a false flag op in New Orleans no wait, changed our mind... it was a terrorist attack... IMPEACH!

lol - funniest idiot so far : "Impeach McCain for not backing Obama Impeachment"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2013, 10:08:03 AM

It just isn't a mothers day without talking about communism at the dinner table.  ::)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 13, 2013, 10:08:49 AM

deets

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2013, 10:13:28 AM

"Obama is a communist liar."
"Pass the shrimp"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2013, 10:57:30 AM

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2013/05/12/and-the-things-that-we-fear-are-a-weapon-to-be-held-against-us/

Pretty well eviscerates the right's IRS freak out.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 11:07:31 AM

The weird thing is that mainstream journalists are jumping on board all this shit. Joe Klein and others are casually throwing around the Nixon comparison, missing the obvious difference: Nixon was directly involved in his crimes and gave the green light; apparently this IRS shit never reached the White House and the guy involved blew the whistle immediately. And of course the only connection Obama has with Benghazi is not sending troops after the attack had already occurred. So where's the conspiracy?

Without the president you don't have a scandal bigger than Watergate, period.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 13, 2013, 01:23:20 PM

Fox News was on at the gym this morning.  Several correspondents were all in agreement that Obama coming out so strongly against the IRS is an indicator that there is a Benghazi cover up.  "How come he isn't calling for the same type of investigation and condeming Benghazi-Gate the same way???"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2013, 01:31:01 PM

Only 50 more ambassadors need to die for Obama to be tied with W.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 01:42:51 PM

The IRS thing is going to get traction like Benghazi never could have.  Benghazi is just confusing to most people, and the Republicanbs haven't been able to tell people why they should be mad about it.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 01:47:35 PM

yea the IRS thing is actually news. Even if the WH had no involvement, and the guy who found out about it stopped it immediately...it's still going to be an actual story of interest.

Of course, I don't remember anyone talking about the Bush administration auditing the NAACP, anti-war churches, etc.  :beli

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 13, 2013, 01:55:29 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 13, 2013, 10:13:28 AM

"Obama is a communist liar."
"Pass the shrimp"

I just visited one of my black friends and he says he voted for Mitt Romney and would do it again.  I was kind of shocked but he is from the "fuck you, got mine" mentality so I guess it makes sense.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 02:58:20 PM

"Hey, remember all that horrible stuff Bush Jr. and company did and got away with? Nope, but Obama did just spit on the sidewalk! Worst President ever!"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 03:52:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jmkrxAe04A

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 04:47:04 PM

You can just tell that for Obama it's a full time job not to snap on dumb shit. One day he's going to lose his cool :rofl

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 13, 2013, 09:17:20 PM

some of the logic is starting to make my head spin ....

Obama Administration uses Patroit Act powers to find who leaked damaging information that would possibly endanger US activities - IMPEACH!

It's just crazy town now - IMPEACH for not preventing the deaths of 4 americans, IMPEACH for trying to prevent deaths of Americans by tightening gun laws, IMPEACH for using Bush mandated powers, IMPEACH for stock market collapse despite it being at record high, IMPEACH for not defending marriage, IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH.

The funny thing is - this is putting the right further and further away from office. The idea that this is somehow going to bring down Clinton and will somehow appeal to swing voters? I guess they aren't getting the message that swing voters already seem to think they are loons. I guess that's why they want more God up in this shit and less abortions/condoms so hopefully the pigshit-thick support base keeps multiplying so they end up with a massive uninformed userbase they can tread all over whilst pointing at Obama/Gays/Islam/Immigrants as their source of woe forever.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 09:20:22 PM

Yup. Barring some economic meltdown or a real scandal, I can't possibly imagine republicans re-gaining power in three years. And if Hillary runs you might as well hand her the keys, it'll be over. So the far right will just fester and fester until it gets completely out of control

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 09:20:31 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 13, 2013, 09:09:45 PM

I don't even see the big deal about the IRS thing anyway. What if "tea party" or "patriot" organizations were statistically more likely to be violating their non-profit status requirements? Enforcement agencies don't have the resources to police the entire country, and they have to concentrate their efforts somewhere.

You don't see how a government entity using their power to possibly influence how specific political groups operate is possibly a bad thing in a democracy?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 09:23:52 PM

That's why I said "possibly".  They were obviously targeting specific groups based on politics and that in itself is a bad thing if left unchecked.  Heads are going to roll for this, and for good reason.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:38:16 PM

What....the...fuck....?

 http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/us/justice-ap-phones/index.html?c=homepage-t

And you people still trust this president?

It's just like Star Wars...Pseudo educated idiots applauding the loss of their own freedom. Nice work guys

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:54:55 PM

I also applaud you for eliminating the good old fashion "get it done attitude" and replacing it with feigned highbrow response of talking circles around the issue until you end up throwing my money at it.

Kudos guys...now back to the standard toe sucking of the wannabe dictator..

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 09:58:06 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:38:16 PM

What....the...fuck....?

 http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/us/justice-ap-phones/index.html?c=homepage-t

And you people still trust this president?

It's just like Star Wars...Pseudo educated idiots applauding the loss of their own freedom. Nice work guys

Welcome to 1979, bro. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 09:59:10 PM

Who invited my republican aunt in here :maf

I bet it was Joe :maf

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:59:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 09:58:06 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:38:16 PM

What....the...fuck....?

 http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/us/justice-ap-phones/index.html?c=homepage-t

And you people still trust this president?

It's just like Star Wars...Pseudo educated idiots applauding the loss of their own freedom. Nice work guys

Welcome to 1979, bro. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland)

well that makes it better...phew.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2013, 09:59:30 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:38:16 PM

It's just like Star Wars...Pseudo educated idiots applauding the loss of their own freedom. Nice work guys

Thanks for explaining American politics by comparing it to a hamhanded allegory for American politics.  It all makes sense now!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2013, 10:00:15 PM

FoC sighting?!?!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:01:27 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 13, 2013, 09:59:30 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:38:16 PM

It's just like Star Wars...Pseudo educated idiots applauding the loss of their own freedom. Nice work guys

Thanks for explaining American politics by comparing it to a hamhanded allegory for American politics.  It all makes sense now!

Way to display some witty sarcasm and not discuss the issue, Mrs Clinton.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:01:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:59:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 09:58:06 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:38:16 PM

What....the...fuck....?

 http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/us/justice-ap-phones/index.html?c=homepage-t

And you people still trust this president?

It's just like Star Wars...Pseudo educated idiots applauding the loss of their own freedom. Nice work guys

Welcome to 1979, bro. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_v._Maryland)

well that makes it better...phew.

You're welcome.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 10:03:30 PM

Also who was pseudo-educated in Star Wars?  Was their liberal arts education discussed?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:04:20 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 10:03:30 PM

Also who was pseudo-educated in Star Wars?  Was their liberal arts education discussed?

Anakin, duh.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:04:36 PM

In other news, an act of terror is not the same thing as a terror attack, therefore Obama should be impeached.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:05:46 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 09:23:52 PM

That's why I said "possibly".  They were obviously targeting specific groups based on politics and that in itself is a bad thing if left unchecked.  Heads are going to roll for this, and for good reason.

In their defense, these groups shouldn't have tax exempt status. But I agree this is bad news, and an actual story unlike Benghazi.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:06:08 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:04:36 PM

In other news, an act of terror is not the same thing as a terror attack, therefore Obama should be impeached.

No matter how hard you try to piss on it, you know that's going to be the downfall right? It isn't going to go away.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2013, 10:07:39 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 09:54:55 PM

I also applaud you for eliminating the good old fashion "get it done attitude" and replacing it with feigned highbrow response of talking circles around the issue until you end up throwing my money at it.

Kudos guys...now back to the standard toe sucking of the wannabe dictator..

This is an outrage, but I'm still waiting for Fox News to tell me how many Watergate's + Iran-Contra's this is equal to before I can tell how outraged to be.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2013, 10:08:14 PM

Where's Raperman?  I need someone to translate the new guy.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 10:08:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:05:46 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 13, 2013, 09:23:52 PM

That's why I said "possibly".  They were obviously targeting specific groups based on politics and that in itself is a bad thing if left unchecked.  Heads are going to roll for this, and for good reason.

In their defense, these groups shouldn't have tax exempt status. But I agree this is bad news, and an actual story unlike Benghazi.

Of the three "scandals" going around today this is the only one that really matters.  It's funny that some Republicans realize this and are screaming that this is a diversion for whatever was supposed to have happened when Obama and George Clooney were watching Benghazi live.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:10:17 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:06:08 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:04:36 PM

In other news, an act of terror is not the same thing as a terror attack, therefore Obama should be impeached.

No matter how hard you try to piss on it, you know that's going to be the downfall right? It isn't going to go away.

Of course it's not going away, but that's got nothing to do with its validity.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:13:57 PM

A lie is a lie. They are going to have to deal with it.

The IRS thing is clearly on Obama's team

And now they raid the AP?

Sounds pretty bad...

Also 25 responses..4 addressing the topic and 21 smart guys cracking jokes. Feels like I am back in California.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:14:23 PM

MOM GET OFF THE COMPUTER GEEZ

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:15:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:14:23 PM

MOM GET OFF THE COMPUTER GEEZ

No that's me...she's still swirling on the dick while making me a sandwich full of trickle down ketchup and pork.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:16:46 PM

I agree the IRS thing is clearly the biggest issue here. The AP thing seems like them jumping the gun early, and Benghazi is largely a joke; as Obama said, they're haggling over talking points, which is ridiculous.

Anyone who thinks any of this will be the "downfall" of the White House is delusional. If this is truly the "greatest scandal since Watergate" then the president will resign or be impeached. If not, this is just a trumped up fuck up between the CIA and State Department.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:18:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:16:46 PM

I agree the IRS thing is clearly the biggest issue here. The AP thing seems like them jumping the gun early, and Benghazi is largely a joke; as Obama said, they're haggling over talking points, which is ridiculous.

Anyone who thinks any of this will be the "downfall" of the White House is delusional. If this is truly the "greatest scandal since Watergate" then the president will resign or be impeached. If not, this is just a trumped up fuck up between the CIA and State Department.

nobody is getting impeached...Clinton should probably rehearse for a new career selling shamwows though. Obama will put her on a pole for this and the people will be satisfied.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:18:45 PM

So, obtaining phone records from the phone company is now "raiding"? I guess I missed when they changed the definition!

So, the fact the IRS leadership addressed the issue twice, both times to issues new rules to put a stop to activity like that, is PROOF that those low-level employees were part of "Obama's team"? I guess he should have notified the head of the IRS, then!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:20:27 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 10:18:45 PM

So, obtaining phone records from the phone company is now "raiding"? I guess I missed when they changed the definition!

So, the fact the IRS leadership addressed the issue twice, both times to issues new rules to put a stop to activity like that, is PROOF that those low-level employees were part of "Obama's team"? I guess he should have notified the head of the IRS, then!

Yes because surely that explanation is correct. Come on woman, presidents have used the IRS to target adversaries forever. This one is just stupid enough to get caught.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:21:15 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:18:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:16:46 PM

I agree the IRS thing is clearly the biggest issue here. The AP thing seems like them jumping the gun early, and Benghazi is largely a joke; as Obama said, they're haggling over talking points, which is ridiculous.

Anyone who thinks any of this will be the "downfall" of the White House is delusional. If this is truly the "greatest scandal since Watergate" then the president will resign or be impeached. If not, this is just a trumped up fuck up between the CIA and State Department.

nobody is getting impeached...Clinton should probably rehearse for a new career selling shamwows though. Obama will put her on a pole for this and the people will be satisfied.

You do recognize she's not sec of state anymore, and thus can't be thrown under the bus? Again, multiple polls show Americans aren't interested in the Benghazi story and Clinton remains popular. It's pretty clear that a CIA front got hit, the State Department got the blame, and they wound up going back and forth bickering until the State Department was left with the hot potato.

You think Rubio, Paul, and Christie - none of whom have any foreign policy experience - are going to turn this into a winning argument in 2016 against her? Good luck with that.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:22:30 PM

I actually think Hilary won't be running in 16...she's finished. However I do think the democrats will win again. Republicans simply don't have anyone worth a dick around right now.

*cries into his ron reagan pillow

Anywho enough politics...only wanted to add a little ying to the yang and you guys are way to into hand holding and dismissals without cause than I can stomach O:-)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:27:39 PM

But you haven't explained how/why she's finished. I don't see how Benghazi hurts her credibility.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2013, 10:30:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:27:39 PM

But you haven't explained how/why she's finished. I don't see how Benghazi hurts her credibility.

Because as I said this isn't over. Blood will be needed for the blood god and since Obama hates her anyway it works out well for him.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2013, 10:34:23 PM

Yeah, definitely need Raperman.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 13, 2013, 10:36:53 PM

Hillary will be making a run regardless of how this Benghazi thing shakes out.  She's been planning this her whole life and probably does not see this as anything more than a minor bump in the road.  Do you think anyone is going to give a shit in 18 months when she is gearing up for her run?  It's hard keeping anyone interested now.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2013, 10:39:05 PM

Ready the dumpster.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 10:46:09 PM

Meanwhile

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Detroit officially is broke; could bankruptcy lie ahead?

DETROIT (AP) -- The first report by Detroit's emergency manager declares that the city is broke and at risk of running completely out of money - a financial meltdown that could mean employees don't get paid, retirees lose their pensions and residents endure even deeper cuts in municipal services.

If Detroit cannot avert disaster by reducing its debt payments, the only remaining option appears to be bankruptcy, a threat that looms large over Kevyn Orr's urgent efforts to make deals with creditors and debt holders. Orr says he will have to seek concessions from those groups to keep the Motor City afloat.

"On a cash-flow basis, we don't have it. We're broke," Orr said Monday at a news conference. He said the city can make payroll through the rest of the year, but that some other bills and obligations are not being paid or are being deferred.

"We can't continue to do what we've been doing," he said. "It's probably a little worse than I expected. It's severe. I mean it's dire."

In March 2012, Detroit borrowed $80 million from Bank of America to avoid running out of money. But the outlook has not improved in the last year.

Orr's "first attention has got to be turned to making sure he has enough money to pay the bills he has coming in," said James McTevia, president of McTevia and Associates, a Detroit-area turnaround firm. "If I'm a creditor getting paid for my current goods and services, I'm going to be more apt to work out on something I'm owed."

Orr, a Washington-based turnaround expert and bankruptcy attorney, was selected by Gov. Rick Snyder to oversee Detroit's finances. In his report, Orr described the city's operations as "dysfunctional and wasteful after years of budgetary restrictions, mismanagement, crippling operational practices and, in some cases, indifference or corruption."

"Outdated policies, work practices, procedures and systems must be improved consistent with best practices of 21st century government," Orr wrote. "A well-run city will promote cost savings and better customer service and will encourage private investment and a return of residents."

Detroit's net cash position - the amount of money in the bank after bills are paid - was a negative $162 million as of April 26. The budget deficit that a few months ago was believed to be about $327 million could reach $386 million before July 1.

The city also owes more than $400 million, including $124 million for public improvement projects. Its long-term debt tops $14 billion.

Orr avoids using the word "bankruptcy" in the 41-page report to the state treasurer and said Monday that he believes it won't be necessary. He expects to have a clearer picture about the path ahead in six to eight weeks.

"I think we can avoid bankruptcy if people move forward in good faith," Orr said. "It's going to be hard. I don't expect anybody to say OK. I expect there to be some give and take. If we can't, we have to look at everything."

Snyder agreed that bankruptcy wasn't inevitable.

"There's a whole process you go through, and the process includes trying to work with people to not have that happen," the governor said.

City officials in Stockton, Calif., sought Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection after tentative agreements with some of the city's unions failed to provide enough financial relief. The community was still unable to pay its bills or make payroll, and City Manager Bob Deis said further cuts required court intervention.

"Bankruptcy is not a desirable option unless it's the absolute last option you have," Deis said. "Bankruptcy is not the disease. Bankruptcy is the chemotherapy for the disease."

Bankruptcy protection allowed Stockton to wipe out $8 million to $9 million in annual retiree health care costs and freeze $13 million in yearly debt payments for later renegotiation.

Orr may choose to go before a bankruptcy judge "when he gets his back against the wall and he can't meet payroll," McTevia said.

"He can default on payments to pension funds. He will try to sit down and negotiate with the pension funds: `We can do this out of court or we can do this in court.' The same thing with bond holders. It will take years for Detroit to ever pay its bonds, and they need to be negotiated," McTevia said.

The bulk of the city's revenue comes from property and business taxes. But Detroit's population dropped by 250,000 between 2000 and 2010. And outside of downtown and a few other areas, business growth virtually is nil.

"My gut feeling is that taxes are going to have to be raised at some time," possibly a temporary surcharge on businesses to keep the city afloat, McTevia added.

A Chapter 9 bankruptcy filing would also mean even more spending cuts, according to Wayne State Law School professor Peter Henning.

Bing says his administration has cut about $350 million in wages and benefits. Dozens of jobs have been cut or left unfilled.

"Services never improve after a bankruptcy," Henning said. "I read through Orr's report. The emphasis is really on the cost-cutting and the restructuring. Rarely does that improve services in the short run. In the short run, city services are going to suffer."

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_DETROIT_FINANCES_EMERGENCY_MANAGER?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-05-13-04-20-37

If ever there was a place to install Joe Biden's Iraq partition plan it's Detroit. The city's operating expenses are too high for a shrinking city with a low population (and low tax base). Split it into three smaller cities and call it a day; Motown, 8 Mile, and Hampsterdam.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2013, 11:04:34 PM

Hillary endured 8 solid years of scandalmongering, Benghazi don't mean a thing.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on May 13, 2013, 11:22:20 PM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2013/05/americans-trust-clinton-over-gop-on-benghazi.html

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Americans trust Clinton over GOP on Benghazi

PPP's newest national poll finds that Republicans aren't getting much traction with their focus on Benghazi over the last week. Voters trust Hillary Clinton over Congressional Republicans on the issue of Benghazi by a 49/39 margin and Clinton's +8 net favorability rating at 52/44 is identical to what it was on our last national poll in late March. Meanwhile Congressional Republicans remain very unpopular with a 36/57 favorability rating.

Voters think Congress should be more focused on other major issues right now rather than Benghazi. By a 56/38 margin they say passing a comprehensive immigration reform bill is more important than continuing to focus on Benghazi, and by a 52/43 spread they think passing a bill requiring background checks for all gun sales should be a higher priority.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2013, 11:27:00 PM

I'll wait for an unskewed poll on the subject

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://tinyurl.com/bu38nmu)

[close]

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 13, 2013, 11:29:06 PM

BUBUBU THE TV TOLD ME SHES FINISHED

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2013, 12:03:55 AM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/05/13/sen-lindsey-graham-thank-god-for-fox-and-their/194052

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/05/13/on-fox-news-sen-john-mccain-says-roger-ailes-wi/194045

:what

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2013, 09:01:23 AM

Hasn't there already been a full investigation?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2013, 09:03:17 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 14, 2013, 09:01:23 AM

Hasn't there already been a full investigation?

But it didn't turn up anything impeachable, so obviously it was incomplete.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 14, 2013, 11:40:14 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on May 13, 2013, 09:17:20 PM

some of the logic is starting to make my head spin ....

Obama Administration uses Patroit Act powers to find who leaked damaging information that would possibly endanger US activities - IMPEACH!

It's just crazy town now - IMPEACH for not preventing the deaths of 4 americans, IMPEACH for trying to prevent deaths of Americans by tightening gun laws, IMPEACH for using Bush mandated powers, IMPEACH for stock market collapse despite it being at record high, IMPEACH for not defending marriage, IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH.

The funny thing is - this is putting the right further and further away from office. The idea that this is somehow going to bring down Clinton and will somehow appeal to swing voters? I guess they aren't getting the message that swing voters already seem to think they are loons. I guess that's why they want more God up in this shit and less abortions/condoms so hopefully the pigshit-thick support base keeps multiplying so they end up with a massive uninformed userbase they can tread all over whilst pointing at Obama/Gays/Islam/Immigrants as their source of woe forever.

I remember polls from last year showed that a lot of swing voters were actually former Republicans in 2008. They know they're losing votes that they could rely on before and one tactic of gaining them back is by finding something in Obama's 8 years that poisons his legacy. Make people think that maybe a Republican wouldn't be so bad.

That is the easier path than taking a party of older white males and getting them to change their opinions on gay marriage, gun control, and immigration.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2013, 12:28:27 PM

Actual quote from DICK CHENEY:

Quote

[Benghazi is] one of the worst incidences, frankly, that I can recall.

:beli

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 14, 2013, 12:59:29 PM

fuck out of here :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 02:45:15 PM

Republicans under 40 like myself have no issues with gay marriage..none.

Our issues center more on how corporations are handled, government backed invasion of the homelife of the average american, and international relations.

You'll find our views are more aligned with most of yours and our differences aren't as vast as grandpa's may have been.

We do want to reduce unemployment duration and welfare benefits...but not take them away. I believe this is what we will beef about the most in the 2020's. Reason being is that no man who works 40 hours a week at a factory should see welfare receipents driving brand new trucks living in newly built section 8 homes while he struggles to pay his bills. None.

As for gun control..I have no issues with stricter screening processes provided that concealed carry is is still an option for law abiding citizens.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 02:48:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 02:45:15 PM

Republicans under 40 like myself have no issues with gay marriage..none.

Our issues center more on how corporations are handled, government backed invasion of the homelife of the average american, and international relations.

You'll find our views are more aligned with most of yours and our differences aren't as vast as grandpa's may have been.

We do want to reduce unemployment duration and welfare benefits...but not take them away. I believe this is what we will beef about the most in the 2020's.

Something tells me you'll be beefing over demographics more than anything else come 2020. Hopefully by then the religious right will be on its way out the door. I may clown republicans but clearly the country needs more sane ones that can compromise on stuff.

Unfortunately since neither party is interested in addressing entitlements in a smart way, the 2020s will probably feature a lot of draconian cuts.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 02:52:14 PM

I'm black by the way, not that it should matter but it does. Our meetings are actually now about 50/50 white/the rest of the country now.

we will kick the zealots out and we will not tolerate hatred for anyone other than Bill Clinton ;-)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 14, 2013, 02:57:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 02:45:15 PM

Reason being is that no man who works 40 hours a week at a factory should see welfare receipents driving brand new trucks living in newly built section 8 homes while he struggles to pay his bills. None

Maybe that guy should fight for reduced hours and much better pay instead of keeping his shitty job with shitty pay and crying for the lives of poor people to be made worse just so he can feel better about his shitty lot like a petulant child :yeshrug

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 03:00:15 PM

Welcome my fellow black brother. All black and Jewish members are requires to fill out the following questionnaire:

1. Who is the best Wu-Tang member?

• Optional: Raekwon vs. Ghostface
  

2. Pick a side in the Notorious B.I.G. and 2Pac discussion

3. Stacey Dash or Halle Berry?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 03:00:39 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on May 14, 2013, 02:57:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 02:45:15 PM

Reason being is that no man who works 40 hours a week at a factory should see welfare receipents driving brand new trucks living in newly built section 8 homes while he struggles to pay his bills. None

Maybe that guy should fight for reduced hours and much better pay instead of keeping his shitty job with shitty pay and crying for the lives of poor people be made worse just so he can feel like his shitty lot is relatively worth more like a petulant child :yeshrug

sure...regale me with all the jobs available for him to jump to...I'll wait.

As a business owner I can assure you most focus on employer retention and training...some, like myself, also pay for education. I want people to love to come to work.

Unfortunately some do not, and that is something out of my control.

By the way backing up someone getting paid to sit on their ass over a guy who works every day and pays taxes is ass backwards and disheartening. I pity you.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 03:03:00 PM

To Pheonix

1) Guru over any wutang but I always liked Ghostface.
2) Biggie...is that even a question? Biggie gets the girl's clothes off.
3) Angela Basset bro...c'mon

My turn:

Mary J Blige or Braxton

Jeezy or James

Sweet Baby Ray's or Open Pit (harder than it sounds)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 14, 2013, 03:03:44 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 03:00:39 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on May 14, 2013, 02:57:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 02:45:15 PM

Reason being is that no man who works 40 hours a week at a factory should see welfare receipents driving brand new trucks living in newly built section 8 homes while he struggles to pay his bills. None

Maybe that guy should fight for reduced hours and much better pay instead of keeping his shitty job with shitty pay and crying for the lives of poor people be made worse just so he can feel like his shitty lot is relatively worth more like a petulant child :yeshrug

sure...regale me with all the jobs available for him to jump to...I'll wait.

Maybe if Socialism wasn't satanmagic in the US then the government could be pursuing a policy of full employment :ussrcry

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2013, 03:04:43 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 03:03:00 PM

To Pheonix

1) Guru over any wutang but I always liked Ghostface.
2) Biggie...is that even a question? Biggie gets the girl's clothes off.
3) Angela Basset bro...c'mon

Fuck, I agree with the Republican on all scores

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 03:07:28 PM

;-)

 http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GSszWXkDHa8

protip: His pops was a judge. Guru was a republican..met him at a convention once. Modeled my style and work ethic from him.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 14, 2013, 03:19:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 03:00:39 PM

sure...regale me with all the jobs available for him to jump to...I'll wait.

And yet you want to target benefits for some reason, haha. Just hand out cyanide pills for people with bad prospects instead, it'd be more honest.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2013, 03:48:16 PM

Dude comes in blasting everyone as toe-sucking, pseudo-educated idiots, bitches that people aren't respectfully engaging his ideas, then demands we all validate him and his fellow open-minded young Republicans.  lulz

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2013, 04:25:19 PM

Less than $1K a month and a shiny new truck/insurance payment? Sign me up! Why am I working when there is such a better life to be had?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 04:28:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2013, 03:48:16 PM

Dude comes in blasting everyone as toe-sucking, pseudo-educated idiots, bitches that people aren't respectfully engaging his ideas, then demands we all validate him and his fellow open-minded young Republicans.  lulz

That's all in the past bro. He likes Gang Starr.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 14, 2013, 04:46:03 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 02:45:15 PM

Republicans under 40 like myself have no issues with gay marriage..none.

Our issues center more on how corporations are handled, government backed invasion of the homelife of the average american, and international relations.

You'll find our views are more aligned with most of yours and our differences aren't as vast as grandpa's may have been.

We do want to reduce unemployment duration and welfare benefits...but not take them away. I believe this is what we will beef about the most in the 2020's. Reason being is that no man who works 40 hours a week at a factory should see welfare receipents driving brand new trucks living in newly built section 8 homes while he struggles to pay his bills. None.

As for gun control..I have no issues with stricter screening processes provided that concealed carry is is still an option for law abiding citizens.

i wonder what its like to be so sure of your own stance yet so embarrassingly uninformed

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 05:15:16 PM

Holy shit

Quote

CNN has obtained an e-mail sent by a top aide to President Barack Obama about White House reaction to the deadly attack last September 11 on the U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, that apparently differs from how sources characterized it to two different media organizations.

The actual e-mail from then-Deputy National Security Adviser for Strategic Communications Ben Rhodes appears to show that whomever leaked it did so in a way that made it appear that the White House was primarily concerned with the State Department's desire to remove references and warnings about specific terrorist groups so as to not bring criticism to the department.

Rhodes, White House communications director Jennifer Palmieri, and White House press secretary Jay Carney, could not be reached for comment.

In the e-mail sent on Friday, September 14, 2012, at 9:34 p.m., obtained by CNN from a U.S. government source, Rhodes wrote:

“All –

“Sorry to be late to this discussion. We need to resolve this in a way that respects all of the relevant equities, particularly the investigation.

“There is a ton of wrong information getting out into the public domain from Congress and people who are not particularly informed. Insofar as we have firmed up assessments that don’t compromise intel or the investigation, we need to have the capability to correct the record, as there are significant policy and messaging ramifications that would flow from a hardened mis-impression.

“We can take this up tomorrow morning at deputies.”

You can read the e-mail HERE.

ABC News reported that Rhodes wrote: “We must make sure that the talking points reflect all agency equities, including those of the State Department, and we don’t want to undermine the FBI investigation. We thus will work through the talking points tomorrow morning at the Deputies Committee meeting.”

ABC News notes in its report that it was provided summaries of White House and State Department emails, not the emails themselves.

http://thelead.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/14/cnn-exclusive-white-house-email-contradicts-benghazi-leaks/

GOP, ABC annihilated :rofl

House republicans received the emails in late March, meaning they waited this long only to cause a stir over intentionally falsified information.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2013, 05:25:29 PM

Geez. :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 14, 2013, 06:47:32 PM

Quote

“Assuming the email cited by Jake Tapper is accurate, it is consistent with the summary quoted by Jon Karl,” an ABC spokesperson told Erik Wemple of the Washington Post.

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 14, 2013, 07:37:13 PM

Quote

[Benghazi is] one of the worst incidences, frankly, that I can recall.

... this is the equivalent of Rosie O'Donnell telling Kate Moss she's the fattest twat she's ever met.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 07:41:38 PM

I still don't know what the Republicans want me to be upset about in regards to Benghazi.  Mandark?  (Not you new guy)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 14, 2013, 07:47:11 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 07:41:38 PM

I still don't know what the Republicans want me to be upset about in regards to Benghazi.  Mandark?  (Not you new guy)

Given the drum beat of IMPEACH since the day he took office? I'd guess this is little more than the latest desperate attempt to get the coloured gentleman out of power. Noise over content. Again. Glenn Beck is the perfect microcosm of the party in its current state - little to no facts, repeated noise, Nazi-tourettes but keep dialing it up to 10 so all the other ill informed people follow suit. As a republican couple told me on a train in the UK : "we want a president like bush - we want someone like us who don't really understand things not some smart guy who thinks he knows everything" .... ... .. . . . . 

I hope and pray that we get an disabled openly lesbian of colour as the next Dem president. I want to see the melt downs.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2013, 07:53:37 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 07:41:38 PM

I still don't know what the Republicans want me to be upset about in regards to Benghazi.  Mandark?  (Not you new guy)

They called for help, and instead of being A STRONG DECISIVE DADDY FIGURE Obama at best WAFFLED OVER WHAT TO DO or at worst WATCHED THEM DIE ON A MONITOR IN THE SITUATION ROOM WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY TWIRLING A SNIDELY WHIPLASH MUSTACHE AND JERKING OFF, ONLY TO NUT ON A BURNING BIBLE WHILE SCREAMING "ALLAH AKBAR!"

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 14, 2013, 07:55:18 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 14, 2013, 07:53:37 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 07:41:38 PM

I still don't know what the Republicans want me to be upset about in regards to Benghazi.  Mandark?  (Not you new guy)

They called for help, and instead of being A STRONG DECISIVE DADDY FIGURE Obama at best WAFFLED OVER WHAT TO DO or at worst WATCHED THEM DIE ON A MONITOR IN THE SITUATION ROOM WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY TWIRLING A SNIDELY WHIPLASH MUSTACHE AND JERKING OFF, ONLY TO NUT ON A BURNING BIBLE WHILE SCREAMING "ALLAH AKBAR!"

Obama's inability to teleport military personel over vast distances is the main reason he should be tried for treason

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 08:23:26 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 14, 2013, 07:53:37 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 07:41:38 PM

I still don't know what the Republicans want me to be upset about in regards to Benghazi.  Mandark?  (Not you new guy)

They called for help, and instead of being A STRONG DECISIVE DADDY FIGURE Obama at best WAFFLED OVER WHAT TO DO or at worst WATCHED THEM DIE ON A MONITOR IN THE SITUATION ROOM WHILE SIMULTANEOUSLY TWIRLING A SNIDELY WHIPLASH MUSTACHE AND JERKING OFF, ONLY TO NUT ON A BURNING BIBLE WHILE SCREAMING "ALLAH AKBAR!"

Well this is what I see, but I need a coherent list of Republican talking points on this :punch

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2013, 09:15:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 07:41:38 PM

I still don't know what the Republicans want me to be upset about in regards to Benghazi.

That a black Democrat is President.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 09:19:01 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 14, 2013, 06:47:32 PM

Quote

“Assuming the email cited by Jake Tapper is accurate, it is consistent with the summary quoted by Jon Karl,” an ABC spokesperson told Erik Wemple of the Washington Post.

 :yeshrug

Karl got burned by his source, but more importantly he mislead by suggesting he had the actual emails. The original email is quite uneventful as seen in the link.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2013, 10:22:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2013, 04:28:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2013, 03:48:16 PM

Dude comes in blasting everyone as toe-sucking, pseudo-educated idiots, bitches that people aren't respectfully engaging his ideas, then demands we all validate him and his fellow open-minded young Republicans.  lulz

That's all in the past bro. He likes Gang Starr.

Also drunk vs not drunk.

Gotta say sometimes drunk me impresses sober me.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2013, 10:38:23 AM

(http://i39.tinypic.com/2cff4md.jpg)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 11:11:33 AM

Seems like all this will do is ensure Obama doesn't get a thing done in his second term. Maybe immigration but it's being delayed by this nonsense now, and will return just in time for summer recess/protests. Meanwhile the IRS thing is the perfect way to increase conservative turnout in 2014, and I'd imagine the underlining message will be "if we win enough seats we can impeach Obama!"

So get used to this bros, it's all they got.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2013, 11:52:29 AM

And it's all for the media's benefit. Benghazi is bullshit, the IRS thing Obama isn't even directly involved, and the AP shit the GOP doesn't even care about because they did that shit too.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2013, 12:30:04 PM

Jen Rubin on the AP thing:

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One can only imagine if the Bush administration pulled this.

Uhhh....

UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH....

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 15, 2013, 12:35:07 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2013, 01:20:39 PM

It's important that tea baggers and conservatives feel that sting of discrimination. It should give them a little perspective the next time they may discriminate against someone.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Who the fuck am I kidding?  :lol

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Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 15, 2013, 01:24:59 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 15, 2013, 01:20:39 PM

It's important that tea baggers and conservatives feel that sting of discrimination. It should give them a little perspective the next time they may discriminate against someone.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Who the fuck am I kidding?  :lol

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You must be confused. TRUE PATRIOTS like Tea Party supporters are already the most discriminated-against and oppressed group in the country  ???

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2013, 01:28:09 PM

You must be the one confused. This is THEIR country and everyone else is just lucky to live here. They just need to take their country back.  ;)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 01:51:31 PM

No, no, no, no.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2013, 02:05:14 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/about-those-little-tea-party-groups

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2013, 02:46:54 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 15, 2013, 02:05:14 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/about-those-little-tea-party-groups

Anyone with a name like Net Ryun deserves to be audited, there's no way that's a real name.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2013, 03:16:15 PM

It's short for Aquanet.

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 15, 2013, 04:32:01 PM

Sounds like a shitty Star Wars EU character

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 06:31:41 PM

Obama just fired the acting IRS head; we don't have an official IRS chief because (guess) republican obstruction, so the department has been run by an unofficial head. And the WH released 100 Benghazi emails that make it pretty clear nothing improper happened outside of the State Department (naturally) being upset about the CIA. Now can we move on to real issues? Nope!

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 15, 2013, 06:37:41 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yW5zXNiMk-g

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 15, 2013, 06:41:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mdf60pY.gif)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 15, 2013, 07:25:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 06:31:41 PM

Obama just fired the acting IRS head; we don't have an official IRS chief because (guess) republican obstruction, so the department has been run by an unofficial head. And the WH released 100 Benghazi emails that make it pretty clear nothing improper happened outside of the State Department (naturally) being upset about the CIA. Now can we move on to real issues? Nope!

hey obama, remember when you tried to reason with republicans and it didnt work?

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 08:02:08 PM

That's why I ignore Politico. They're the definition of what's wrong with "journalism" today. It's all narrative mining and an obsessive focus on projection. The White House gets hit with three scandals, one of which is blatantly bullshit (Benghazi), the other is important yet has no ties to Obama directly (IRS)...and the story is Obama=Nixon. A couple democrats make careful "we need to get to the bottom of this" statements=DC Turns on Obama. It's just stupid.

This is what happens when you don't have anyone looking at policy. Everything has been condensed into a disposable "who won who lost" focus as if this shit is sports.

TLDR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 15, 2013, 08:05:52 PM

The new thread title :rofl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 15, 2013, 08:13:47 PM

The Brooks/Reilly comparison is apt.  I know I shouldn't read either, but occasionally...  :'(

I never read Politico though.  Oy vey.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 08:27:40 PM

The Hollinger comparison is perfect. Remember during the election when Peggy Noonan, Joe Scarbourough, etc were dismissing Nate Silver's nerd numbers because they "had a feeling" Romney was actually in the lead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fosVzgyAr0
(http://imageshack.us/a/img507/3374/skip1n.png)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 15, 2013, 08:31:39 PM

That march with loaded guns on Washington is looking somewhat ill advised right now

of course, if any shots are fired it will of course be a false flag incident to further take away dem guns

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 15, 2013, 08:44:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 08:02:08 PM

TLDR:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s

Never gets old.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2013, 09:31:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2013, 08:27:40 PM

The Hollinger comparison is perfect. Remember during the election when Peggy Noonan, Joe Scarbourough, etc were dismissing Nate Silver's nerd numbers because they "had a feeling" Romney was actually in the lead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fosVzgyAr0
(http://imageshack.us/a/img507/3374/skip1n.png)

You know who else had big, exciting rallies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgsg7a-Ok8Q

No points if you correctly guessed  :paul

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 15, 2013, 09:56:32 PM

is that gun march still going to happen

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 15, 2013, 10:53:20 PM

My life is definitely way better now

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 15, 2013, 11:53:58 PM

That feels you get when you think someone has made an awesome sarcastic tweet and you favourite it only to realise they are -deadly- serious!

REPEAL ROE V WADE, BRING NEW LAWS TO ENFORCE MARRIAGE!!!

Lol nice one dudeee lool. Oh wait.... what?!

Also - the fact that someone alive in this time frame can posit this as an active thought let alone a reason to impeach someone is frankly offensive

"Eric Holder has directed the DOJ not to enforce the federal Defense of Marriage Act. In doing so, Holder has violated his oath of office and clearly shows his violation of the laws of Nature and Nature’s God."

Al Q must be howling with laughter - they don't need to attack America because the GOP are doing their job for them of trying to send America back to the dark ages.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 01:31:21 AM

Holder not enforcing DOMA is one of the few things he's done that I like, well outside of some of his civil rights defense. Overall I'll actually be glad when he's gone, given his (and Obama's) shitty record on civil liberties. I don't think I would have ever guessed Obama would be worse on these issues than Bush.

Still, I'll at least give Holder dap for slapping down republicans like Issa at the hearing today.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 01:40:56 AM

oh look, no evidence the White House interfered with the IRS reports

Quote

We asked the Acting Commissioner, Tax Exempt and Government Entities Division; the Director, EO; and Determinations Unit personnel if the criteria were influenced by any individual or organization outside the IRS. All of these officials stated that the criteria were not influenced by any individual or organization outside the IRS. Instead, the Determinations Unit developed and implemented inappropriate criteria in part due to insufficient oversight provided by management. Specifically, only first-line management approved references to the Tea Party in the BOLO [Be on the Look-Out] listing criteria before it was implemented. As a result, inappropriate criteria remained in place for more than 18 months.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2013/05/15/here_s_the_troublesome_part_of_the_ig_report_that_rescues_top_democrats.html

So as suspected, the media jumped to Nixon comparisons before the facts were presented. Alas the damage is done, the cow is milked, etc. But clearly the White House wasn't involved, and the idea that this proves Obama is "asleep at the wheel" strikes me as ridiculous; last I checked, the president does not micromanage each department of government (especially the IRS).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on May 16, 2013, 08:30:53 AM

It's almost like the average person doesn't actually know how large organizations are run.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 16, 2013, 09:09:36 AM

Well Obama did appoint the guy that's in charge of the IRS....oh wait, no he didn't because the Republicans are boycotting all his nominations.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2013, 09:13:02 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 16, 2013, 09:09:36 AM

Well Obama did appoint the guy that's in charge of the IRS....oh wait, no he didn't because the Republicans are boycotting all his nominations.

The IRS commissioner when all of this was going on was Douglas Shulman, a Bush appointee. :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 16, 2013, 02:56:38 PM

well if Obama didn't like who Bush picked he should have nominated his own guy!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2013, 03:32:40 PM

37th Obamacare repeal vote today  :picard

although I've noticed many of our younger patients coming in and mentioning they've been dropped due to their employer (fast food, stores, etc) moving them to part time. That's a legit bad part of the law IMO. I agree with the idea behind it, but it's too easily exploitable by greedy corporations.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2013, 12:11:03 AM

confirmed, GOP made up the emails
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57584947/wh-benghazi-emails-have-different-quotes-than-earlier-reported/
 :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2013, 12:19:47 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2013, 12:11:03 AM

confirmed, GOP made up the emails
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-57584947/wh-benghazi-emails-have-different-quotes-than-earlier-reported/
 :lol

Quotes were changed about talking points being changed. We need to go deeper. (http://i.imgur.com/56wjj6q.png)

Title: Re: SEQUESTERGEDDON 2013: 3Great3Depression Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2013, 11:36:29 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2013, 07:41:38 PM

I still don't know what the Republicans want me to be upset about in regards to Benghazi.  Mandark?  (Not you new guy)

Mostly that Obama got re-elected.


More seriously, I don't think there's a single, agreed-upon version of events.  It's more that these folks already know that Obama's weak on terrorism, that his administration is incompetent, that the media covers for him, and that he's untrustworthy and possibly anti-American.  If you know all that, what are the odds that something like Behghazi happens without major wrongdoing from Obama at some point?  It's like Whitewater: the details are confusing, the accusations are vague at this point, but they're pretty sure that if you keep digging, something will come up.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 17, 2013, 11:50:53 AM

Thanks.  I kind of figured that.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 17, 2013, 01:28:43 PM

A criminal past is essential to be in the GOP (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/martin-bashir-reminds-viewers-darrell-issas)

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When Issa ran for the Senate in 1998, he rewrote his past:

    "He had been a soldier, and he claimed that he was part of an elite bomb detecting unit that guarded President Nixon at the 1971 World Series," said Williams.

    Williams called up the Nixon Presidential Library, and was told that Nixon hadn't gone to any World Series games that year. Then Williams looked into Issa's purportedly stellar career in the Army.

    "The biography that he was providing the press in the context of his campaign was all wrong. He had a bad conduct rating. He was demoted, and a fellow soldier accused him of stealing his car," said Williams.

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Joey Adkins, the former owner of Steal Stopper, provided the main evidence against Issa. On the afternoon of September 20, 1982, in a lengthy recorded interview with an insurance investigator, he described a series of suspicious actions by Issa before the fire. Adkins, who still worked for Steal Stopper, said that Issa removed the company’s Apple II computer from the building, including “all hardware, all software, all the instruction books,” and also “the discs for accounts payable, accounts receivable, customer list, everything.” According to Adkins, Issa also transferred a copy of every design used by Steal Stopper from a filing cabinet to a fireproof box. He also said that Issa put in the box some important silk screens used in the production of circuit boards. Insurance officials noted that, less than three weeks before the fire, Issa had increased his insurance from a hundred thousand dollars to four hundred and sixty-two thousand dollars. “Quite frankly,” Adkins told the investigator, “I feel the man set the fire.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2013, 03:12:06 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 17, 2013, 01:28:43 PM

A criminal past is essential to be in the GOP (http://crooksandliars.com/karoli/martin-bashir-reminds-viewers-darrell-issas)

Quote

When Issa ran for the Senate in 1998, he rewrote his past:

    "He had been a soldier, and he claimed that he was part of an elite bomb detecting unit that guarded President Nixon at the 1971 World Series," said Williams.

    Williams called up the Nixon Presidential Library, and was told that Nixon hadn't gone to any World Series games that year. Then Williams looked into Issa's purportedly stellar career in the Army.

    "The biography that he was providing the press in the context of his campaign was all wrong. He had a bad conduct rating. He was demoted, and a fellow soldier accused him of stealing his car," said Williams.

Quote

Joey Adkins, the former owner of Steal Stopper, provided the main evidence against Issa. On the afternoon of September 20, 1982, in a lengthy recorded interview with an insurance investigator, he described a series of suspicious actions by Issa before the fire. Adkins, who still worked for Steal Stopper, said that Issa removed the company’s Apple II computer from the building, including “all hardware, all software, all the instruction books,” and also “the discs for accounts payable, accounts receivable, customer list, everything.” According to Adkins, Issa also transferred a copy of every design used by Steal Stopper from a filing cabinet to a fireproof box. He also said that Issa put in the box some important silk screens used in the production of circuit boards. Insurance officials noted that, less than three weeks before the fire, Issa had increased his insurance from a hundred thousand dollars to four hundred and sixty-two thousand dollars. “Quite frankly,” Adkins told the investigator, “I feel the man set the fire.”

What a scumbag.

And the War on Terror is never going to end, because it CAN'T end. Terrorism is not a state that can be conquered or forced into signing a peace treaty, it's an IDEOLOGY. You can't win a war of ideology with tanks and bombers. Not that that's some grand insight, of course, just the plain, old obvious.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 17, 2013, 03:55:22 PM

It's fueled by ideology.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 17, 2013, 04:19:03 PM

Right. It doesn't look like we're fundamentally disagreeing about anything. As Rumbler said though, it doesn't look like it's a fight anyone's going to win with weapons. Whatever it is, regional dominance, access to resources, revolutionaries trying to set up authoritarian Islamic nations, all of the above, what's being done doesn't appear to be getting anywhere and the prognosis isn't bright either.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2013, 05:26:52 PM

It's only unprecedented if you consider the policy of drone strikes, renditions, etc. to qualify as continuous "war" in a way that the Cold War and its attendant conflicts didn't.

I don't think the prediction of this continuing is that surprising.  AQ or similar groups will almost definitely keep operating for another few decades, and as long as they do it's going to be a high priority for anyone holding office to stop them from successfully attacking American targets.  Domestic pressure on civil liberties and international resistance on sovereignty grounds hasn't been stiff enough to change the policy much, and that's pretty much that.

The interesting/concerning thing for me is the degree to which anti-terrororism policy has been determined through the executive branch, without much transparency, accountability, or democratic process.  Most people seem to prefer to not know what's going on, and to feel secure that somewhere someone (probably Jack Bauer) is taking care of it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2013, 05:39:43 PM

What better way to metastasize perpetual war than blow people's kids and neighbors up with drones.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 18, 2013, 02:15:36 AM

Latest loools :

President himself manufactured the Bengazhi, IRS, etc scandals so GOP would be (rightfully) outrages <-- impeachment offence

... So he could silently push through immigration reform unnoticed so he could let millions of muslims into the country <--- impeachment


Given the levels of idiocy building up now i'm not going to die of shock if some dipshit tries something stupid.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2013, 02:37:26 AM

We've long passed that point. We have people openly accusing him of treason, of hating America, watching four Americans die in Benghazi for entertainment, etc. All while mainstream figures provide an air of legitimacy to all this, fanning the flames.

So when these scandals come and go from mainstream attention, they'll continue to fester on the far right, and the people frothing at the mouth right now will be wondering how did he not pay for his crimes. To be fair so far Washington republicans aren't beating the impeachment drum overall, but at some point soon enough they'll jump the shark. It seems pretty clear we're in Clinton 98 mode now, a new conspiracy each month.

I wouldn't be surprised if part of this is meant to slow down the immigration push, and give republicans an out (Obama poisoned the well with his scandals!).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2013, 10:51:12 AM

I can't wait for the House to finally impeach Obama, only to find that the vast majority of Americans don't want that at all.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2013, 07:56:14 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/right-wing-radio-host-pete-santilli-hillary-clinton-needs-to-be-shot-in-the-vagina/

(http://tinyurl.com/blxno66)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2013, 09:11:47 PM

Wait...that guy thinks that Hillary Clinton had Seal Team Six assassinated because they knew the truth about the Osama hunt being faked? :what

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2013, 12:18:41 AM

Quote

By firing three short-rangle missiles of its east coast Saturday, North Korea made good on several months of threats and provocations, the Los Angeles Times reported.

Two missile launches were deteced on Saturday morning by the South Korean Defense Ministry, with another launch detected in the afternoon.

North Korea's last short-range missile launch came a couple months ago.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/north-korea-fires-three-missiles-off-its-east

wag the dog!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2013, 04:59:03 PM

Holy shit I've never seen Jennifer Rubin irl before; I based my mental image of her off the illustration that goes along with her Washington Post articles. She has crazy eyes
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jennifer-rubin-goes-off-on-david-shuster-for-reciting-media-matters-talking-points-tells-cnn-to-mute-him/

 :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2013, 12:32:35 AM

'merica!  The dumber we are, the easier it is to distract us with American Idol, Jersey Shore and monster truck shows. Who needs school to clean up after rich people anyway?

http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/05/13/michigan-school-district-fires-teachers-closes-schools?cmpid=tp-ptnr-upworthy

(also, Mandark- take responsibility for Jennifer Rubin, plz.  lest I hate fuck her)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2013, 12:58:41 PM

I'm sure it does, Jr.  The same guy holding Michelle Obama's "whitey" tape hostage probably has it.  Any day now.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rand-paul-claims-damning-irs-memo-exists?ref=fpa

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2013, 01:00:41 PM

 :lol

Meanwhile in the real world, Obama's approval goes up despite the biggest scandals of allll time
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/05/obama-scandals-approval-rating.php?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2013, 01:03:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wp-xl13CSyU

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2013, 02:38:56 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/wapo-doj-spied-on-fox-news-reporter?ref=fpb

lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2013, 03:01:51 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2013, 12:58:41 PM

I'm sure it does, Jr.  The same guy holding Michelle Obama's "whitey" tape hostage probably has it.  Any day now.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/rand-paul-claims-damning-irs-memo-exists?ref=fpa

Quote

"And when that comes forward, we need to know who wrote the policy and who approved the policy," Paul told CNN.

WHO'S GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS IMAGINARY EVIDENCE!? :maf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 03:56:56 PM

Quote

WHO'S GONNA TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS IMAGINARY EVIDENCE?!

Wouldnt this actually be a treason (or similar) offense if it is established that this whole thing was manufactured? I mean if the right want to get technical about frigging Umbrella protocol i'm sure theres some yee olde law in there that they could be charged with.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2013, 04:00:39 PM

No, it's okay, though, because Rand Paul is only repeating what some other people are saying, that's definitely not a crime.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2013, 04:02:57 PM

It's amazing how obsessed they are with appealing to 30% of the country.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2013, 04:06:04 PM

The same 30% who will still vote for them no matter what.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 04:41:32 PM

I assume the long term battle plan is to just keep pushing religion, keep people who support them being stupid and make sure they :tsk at condom usage so they are pushing out more stupid voters by the dozen

Its a long all game but ultimately one, in all seriousness, they could potentially win. Meanwhile in China the sound of hysterical laughter will be unbearable

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2013, 05:48:54 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 04:41:32 PM

I assume the long term battle plan is to just keep pushing religion, keep people who support them being stupid and make sure they :tsk at condom usage so they are pushing out more stupid voters by the dozen

Its a long all game but ultimately one, in all seriousness, they could potentially win. Meanwhile in China the sound of hysterical laughter will be unbearable

Gotta say I doubt it, based on demographics. The country is getting browner every year, and the white vote decreases every four years. Also that generation of 60-70yo whites is dying off, while their grand kids become more liberal. I don't think conservatism is dead, but barring another economic disaster I believe we're about to see demographics ensure near one party rule for the next decade or two (similar to what happened between 1968-1992).

The current republican party is doomed to become a regional party - ie the south and heartland states of the Midwest. I'm sure they'll evolve and become competitive eventually, but I don't see that happening anytime soon based off how ugly this immigration debate has gotten.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 06:53:06 PM

I have to say that in recent times i've been stunned by how many vocal extreme right wing people i've come across that are American and, in even greater numbers, Brits - especially southerners

Fear is a powerful thing

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2013, 07:19:46 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 06:53:06 PM

I have to say that in recent times i've been stunned by how many vocal extreme right wing people i've come across that are American and, in even greater numbers, Brits - especially southerners

Fear is a powerful thing

The grand age of whitey is coming to an end.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 20, 2013, 07:25:06 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2013, 07:19:46 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 06:53:06 PM

I have to say that in recent times i've been stunned by how many vocal extreme right wing people i've come across that are American and, in even greater numbers, Brits - especially southerners

Fear is a powerful thing

The grand age of whitey is coming to an end.

hey, it's not like white people aren't scared for a reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4f9zR5yzY&t=1m27s

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2013, 07:35:52 PM

Can't wait until I'm like 70 years old. I'll start crossdressing just so I can clutch my purse and cross the street when I see a young white male walking my way :rejoice

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 20, 2013, 08:04:08 PM

CNN...you could've worded this better

(http://i.imgur.com/LU7gGgb.jpg)

 :comeon

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 09:05:01 PM

Oh - Obama is Myanmar - surely nothing to call for impeachment there then?

Oh, my mistake :

"He dun called Myanmar "Myanmar" when we officially still calls it Burma... IMPEACH!"
"He dun said he wants to do things without congressional approval.... IMPEACH!"
"He dun said he responsible for the military therefore guilty for Bengazhi... IMPEACH!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2013, 09:17:57 PM

patiently awaiting the birth of the "Obama caused the OKC hurricane to raise his poll numbers/change the topic from Benghazi/IRS" conspiracies

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2013, 09:39:11 PM

I'm just waiting for Senators that almost certainly voted against Sandy aid to explain why big daddy federal gubmint needs to bail them out now.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2013, 10:10:56 PM

"If Kevin Durant were clutch, he could have stopped this.  MJ would never have let a natural disaster hit Illinois."

:themuchlamentedskip

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 20, 2013, 10:11:37 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2013, 09:39:11 PM

I'm just waiting for Senators that almost certainly voted against Sandy aid to explain why big daddy federal gubmint needs to bail them out now.

Wait, there was a vote? I had always assumed that it was just a fuck-up or something... Who the fuck votes against disaster relief? Has the small government bullshit gone that far?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2013, 10:26:07 PM

Quote from: Rufus on May 20, 2013, 10:11:37 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2013, 09:39:11 PM

I'm just waiting for Senators that almost certainly voted against Sandy aid to explain why big daddy federal gubmint needs to bail them out now.

Wait, there was a vote? I had always assumed that it was just a fuck-up or something... Who the fuck votes against disaster relief? Has the small government bullshit gone that far?

Darrell Issa, the GOP's current hatchet man against Obama, opposed 9/11 aid.

Quote

"It's very simple: I can't vote for additional money for New York if I can't see why it would be appropriate to do this every single time a similar situation happens, which quite frankly includes any urban terrorist. It doesn't have to be somebody from al Qaeda. It can be someone who decides that they don't like animal testing at one of our pharmaceutical facilities."

Issa said the destruction of the World Trade Center did not involve a dirty bomb or a chemical weapon designed to make people sick.

"It simply was an aircraft, residue of the aircraft and residue of the materials used to build this building," Issa said.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 20, 2013, 10:30:56 PM

Wow. That's the stupidest argument against providing aid... How can anyone say this shit with a straight face?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 20, 2013, 10:34:38 PM

Quote from: Rufus on May 20, 2013, 10:30:56 PM

Wow. That's the stupidest argument against providing aid... How can anyone say this shit with a straight face?

But what if people flew airplanes into buildings EVERY DAY? America would be drowning in debt in no time at all!

Title: basically
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2013, 11:25:45 PM

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/581689_10151484170307515_805258014_n.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 20, 2013, 11:43:50 PM

The self parody continues with the news that Obama declares major national disaster....

You already know what the responses are....  :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Re: basically
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 21, 2013, 07:27:24 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2013, 11:25:45 PM

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/p480x480/581689_10151484170307515_805258014_n.jpg)

:lol

Too perfect

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2013, 09:31:11 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2013, 09:39:11 PM

I'm just waiting for Senators that almost certainly voted against Sandy aid to explain why big daddy federal gubmint needs to bail them out now.

Well, you have to give Tom Coburn credit for his consistency (no credit for being an idiot, though):
http://americablog.com/2013/05/oklahoma-senator-coburn-says-no-tornado-aid-unless-cost-is-offset.html

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 21, 2013, 09:44:00 AM

I'm coming around on the whole reptile people conspiracy.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2013, 01:52:35 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-hillarys-numbers-remain-strong-despite-benghazi-investigation

Keep beating that drum, Right Wing, maybe people will eventually start listening to you if you scream a little louder!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 21, 2013, 03:02:40 PM

This is a joke - "we will take aid but the money has to come out of left wing spending plans" i bet you if the cut to pay for OK was to come from defense spending or clawing back some of those tasty upper end tax relief clauses they'd object to that as well.

So this amounts to "we will grant you the privilage of helping the people of OK as long as you cut YOUR plans to pay for it and we wont budge until you agree" - this is borderline criminal.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2013, 03:24:41 PM

They should take the money from any fed $ appropriated to OK this year. Or they can, you know, pass an aide bill the way it was done until Obama became president.

I'll give Coburn credit for being consistent, but ultimately the bill won't be paid for - and he knows it. This is probably just a stunt to prove his credentials. When the aide bill comes to the floor, with no offsets, he'll complain but ultimately vote for it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2013, 09:21:14 PM

http://keller.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/05/21/bring-back-ken-starr/?smid=tw-share

we're reaching critical mass where I can no longer tell trolling from concern trolling

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2013, 12:46:07 PM

triple post don't ask me how

Quote

The Republican nominee for lieutenant governor in Virginia has called the Constitution’s original clause to count blacks as three-fifths of a person an “anti-slavery amendment.”

In an April 28, 2011 statement while he was a Senate candidate, conservative minister and lawyer E.W. Jackson held up the three-fifths clause as an “anti-slavery” measure. The context of his statement was to attack President Obama after a pastor at a church service he attended referred to the three-fifths clause as a historical marker of racism.

“Rev. [Charles Wallace] Smith must not have understood the 3/5ths clause was an anti-slavery amendment. Its purpose was to limit the voting power of slave holding states,” Jackson, an African-American, said in his statement.

This is a deeply misleading telling of American constitutional history.

The clause was demanded by Southern proponents of slavery as a way of enhancing their congressional representation. They wanted slaves to be counted as full persons but settled on three-fifths. People of African descent would have had no real rights either way. The inclusion of the clause greatly enhanced the South’s political power and made it harder to abolish slavery. The clause was effectively eliminated after the Civil War by the Thirteenth Amendment.

“Some of the compromises we can look back and be proud of; some of those compromises we can’t be very proud of. The three-fifths compromise, by which slaves were counted as three-fifths of a person, is not something any of us would applaud them for today,” said University of Pennsylvania historian Richard Beeman in a 2011 interview.

Jackson, who was nominated over the weekend, has since taken a beating in the press for his many outside-the-mainstream positions and remarks. He also argued in 2011 that it was inappropriate for Obama to sit in a church where a pastor would bring up slavery.

“This is 2011. The issue of slavery was settled 146 years ago,” Jackson said in the same statement. “For the President of the United States to sit in yet another church where the Pastor dredges up the past as if nothing has changed demonstrates either tremendously poor judgment or that Mr. Obama shares this sentiment. Either way, it is divisive and destructive, and the President should be above such associations.”

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/05/ew-jackson-three-fifths-clause-slavery.php?ref=fpa


odds on him running for president in 2016?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2013, 12:49:39 PM

Can't wait for the Jackson/Palin ticket in 2016! With Rand Paul as treasury secretary.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2013, 01:05:14 PM

I wonder how prevalent that argument is on the right; actually never mind, I don't feel like being depressed today. The 3/5s compromise is one of the many reasons I laugh at libertarians who believe slavery would have ended "eventually" without a civil war. Why would the south willingly halt their driving economic force anytime soon, without preparing for a post-slavery future (who knows how long that would have taken, assuming slavery continued. They'd be making bank and heavily influencing the House of Representatives, perhaps into the 20th century.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2013, 05:03:23 PM

I used to like The Jackson 3/5 back in the day

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 22, 2013, 06:08:30 PM

oh

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/05/21/correspondents-association-concerned-government-too-aggressive-in-tracking/

Quote

Newly uncovered court documents reveal the Justice Department seized records of several Fox News phone lines as part of a leak investigation -- even listing a number that, according to one source, matches the home phone number of a reporter's parents.

The seizure was ordered in addition to a court-approved search warrant for Fox News correspondent James Rosen's personal emails. In the affidavit seeking that warrant, an FBI agent called Rosen a likely criminal "co-conspirator," citing a wartime law called the Espionage Act.

but yes, this is hilarious.

"now when we were advocating for all of this stuff we certainly didn't mean for it to affect US!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 22, 2013, 10:40:48 PM

Rosen was in contact with a person now being held a best Korean spy. That should be part of the context.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 07:21:02 AM

Quote

Jochum: Iowa Legislature reaches agreement on health care

Iowa will accept federal funding to expand health care to low-income residents under a compromise reached between statehouse Democrats and Republican Gov. Terry Branstad, Senate President Pam Jochum says.

Jochum, D-Dubuque, said an agreement was reached late Tuesday evening on an issue that has dominated the 2013 legislative session. Jochum said the compromise will be included in the Department of Human Services bill, which will be voted on Wednesday afternoon.

The legislation will be called the Iowa Health and Wellness Plan. Jochum said the state will accept federal funding from Medicaid expansion to cover approximately 150,000 new enrollees.

“It was a big breakthrough,” Jochum told the TH today. “A lot of people thought we’d never reach agreement, and we did.”

Residents up to 100 percent of the federal poverty line — $11,490 for an individual or $19,530 for a family of three, for example — will receive the same benefits as state employees, and those premiums will be paid for entirely by federal Medicaid dollars.

Residents between 101 percent and 138 percent of the poverty line will receive insurance from exchanges created by the new federal health care law. Those residents’ premiums will be paid for with Medicaid funds in the first year, and also in ensuing years provided they accomplish physicians’ directives such as wellness check-ups and diet counseling. If a person does not accomplish those objectives, he or she must pay a portion of the premium up to 2 percent of household income.

Branstad had been resistant to accepting expanded Medicaid funding, citing concerns with the federal government’s ability to deliver on the funds. Branstad instead developed his own plan, an expansion of IowaCare, the state’s current plan for low-income residents. That plan covered only residents up to 100 percent of the poverty line.

Democrats meanwhile have pushed for Medicaid expansion, which was optional to states under the federal Affordable Care Act, to serve residents up to 138 percent of the poverty line.

Jochum said she had been working on the compromise since Friday with Democratic Sen. Amanda Ragan and Republican House Majority Leader Linda Upmeyer. Jochum said the governor's office got involved Tuesday, and an agreement was reached late Tuesday evening.

A spokesperson for Branstad said the governor supports the compromise and commends legislators in both parties and both chambers for their work on the bill.

"The governor was clear from the onset that two things needed to happen with regard to health care reform. First, taxpayers needed to be protected in the event the federal government did not come through on its funding promises. Second, the governor wanted to ensure we were focused on health outcomes and making Iowans healthier," Branstad spokesperson Tim Albrecht said. "This requirement was met in both cases under the Iowa Health and Wellness Plan. ... This is a modernization of Medicaid and will serve both patients and taxpayers at a superior level."

Per the federal health care law, the federal government will pay for the lion's share of Medicaid expansion: 100 percent in the first three years, reducing gradually over 10 years to 90 percent.

http://www.thonline.com/news/breaking/article_f6f5e3e4-c311-11e2-9b15-001a4bcf6878.html

What's this, state democrats and republicans working together to the benefit of their citizens? Impressive.

meanwhile in Michigan :fbm

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 23, 2013, 09:03:27 AM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-to-announce-limits-on-drones-in-major

Obama will use the speech to announce new restrictions on unmanned drones, an announcement that comes on the heels of the U.S. government's admission that it has killed four American citizens with drone strikes.

According to the New York Times, the policy changes signed by Obama include a reduction of the "instances when unmanned aircraft can be used to attack in places that are not overt war zones, countries like Pakistan, Yemen and Somalia." The new rules will also establish "the same standard for strikes on foreign enemies now used only for American citizens deemed to be terrorists," the Times reported.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 23, 2013, 10:44:40 AM

Nevermind all that shit, a new scandal appears!

http://swampland.time.com/2013/05/23/time-exclusive-obamas-1979-prom-photos/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGQ-ISsDm8M

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 12:08:45 PM

(http://timeswampland.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/obama_prom_photos_0011.jpg?w=720&h=480&crop=1)

Quote

Time has the full story on that magical (okay, largely banal) night, courtesy of Obama’s high school best friend’s date, Kelli Allman. As an added bonus, she throws in his inscription from her 1979 yearbook: “It has been so nice getting to know you this year. You are extremely sweet and foxy . . . I hope we can keep in touch this summer, even though Greg will be gone. Call me up and I’ll buy you lunch. . . Good luck in everything you do and stay happy. Your friend, Love, Barry Obama.”

:rofl

Translation: Greg's heading out of state...let's fuck

Obama got game :lawd

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 23, 2013, 12:33:19 PM

 :obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 23, 2013, 03:58:49 PM

If they seriously do start impeachment hearings, he should grow that fro back to fuck with them.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 04:01:46 PM

fuck the fro, he should grow a beard. His true heritage will be exposed for all to see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5QD_6UtfFo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2013, 07:40:43 PM

I guess everybody's got their own:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6af_1369341311

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 23, 2013, 07:43:09 PM

Jon Husted has finally won his crusade against fraudulent voters

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/05/investigations_recommend_135_c.html#incart_river%23incart_m-rpt-2

135 out of 5.6 million

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2013, 09:03:22 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 23, 2013, 07:43:09 PM

Jon Husted has finally won his crusade against fraudulent voters

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2013/05/investigations_recommend_135_c.html#incart_river%23incart_m-rpt-2

135 out of 5.6 million

Yup Josh Marshall has a write up on it.
http://editors.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/05/this_is_important_give_it_a_read.php?ref=fpblg

I agree that Husted deserves some credit for admitting the voter fraud obsession was over hyped but it's worth noting that the voting supression movement could have impacted a tight election; fortunately for Obama he pretty much blew Romney out the water in the large urban areas, to a point where there was no way to pull a fast one (as Karl Rove found out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk)).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 24, 2013, 03:36:42 PM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-rep-reagan-helped-make-obama-president-video

“It’s clear to anybody that can do any kind of statistical analysis that Barack Obama wouldn’t be president of the United States without Ronald Reagan’s 1986 amnesty act,” King said during a speech on the House floor.

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2013, 03:46:25 PM

So does that mean Reagan ruined America?
 :ohhh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 24, 2013, 03:55:52 PM

I was thinking the same thing. :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2013, 01:28:07 PM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/05/24/to-salute-or-not-obamas-handshake-sparks-debate

 :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2013, 02:46:15 PM

No mention that Obama, you know, almost always salutes? And he exited the chopper, shook the guy's hand, and apologized for not seeing him.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 25, 2013, 03:37:57 PM

This is one of the things I hate about meeting older family members who always expect you to shake their hands, "DID YOU SHAKE MY HAND BOY?"

Why do we still salute? What's the point of saluting even? I might understand it when somebody is in active duty and at risk of getting killed but a marine that's guarding the helicopter or some national monument should probably feel silly if anyone saluted him out of some sense of obligation.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on May 25, 2013, 06:41:43 PM

Republican state senator in Kansas: cutting tax on food will cause poor to buy too much.

Not an Onion article.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/24/kansas-lawmaker-opposes-encouraging-the-behavior-of-purchasing-food-with-lower-food-taxes/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/24/kansas-lawmaker-opposes-encouraging-the-behavior-of-purchasing-food-with-lower-food-taxes/)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2013, 08:26:08 PM

modernrepublicanparty.txt

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2013, 09:02:06 PM

First poor people are able to buy food, then what? They're able to buy a car, buy a home? Gotta nip this in the bud.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 25, 2013, 09:11:40 PM

I just can't understand that logic. Food is something that you have to buy, I would think that a republican would be happy to have lower taxes on it so that people can spend their money on other goods.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2013, 09:40:06 PM

There's no real logic going on there. If the price of food decreases, that essentially means disposable income increases. As disposable income increases, the relative proportion spent on food decreases.* People won't buy MORE food, they'll buy more things that AREN'T food!

*Engel's Law

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2013, 09:44:06 PM

Engel sounds pretty gay. Also probably a communist.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2013, 09:48:34 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/05/from_the_epic_annals_of_holy_crap.php

You have no doubt heard the on-going saga of Toronto Mayor Rob Ford. Though the video has never been publicly shown, three reporters have allegedly seen video of Ford smoking what appears to be crack cocaine with a group of Somali immigrant drug dealers. They appear to be the ones who are shopping the video of Ford smoking said crack. For the last week or more he’s been dodging the press and clearly unwilling and presumably unable to deny the videos existence or authenticity. Yesterday he emerged to give a classic non-denial denial of his apparent drug use.

Looking at this from the outside, setting aside that it’s problematic to have a serving mayor caught on tape doing drugs, I’ve had to ask: how does the sitting Mayor end up carousing with Somali crack dealers and smoking crack? Well, we may have an answer. The Globe and Mail has just published a lengthy, very lengthy look at the Ford family. And basically all Ford’s siblings have substantial past ties to the drug trade.

It starts with Doug Ford, who isn’t just the Mayor’s brother, but also sits on the city council. Back in the 80s, according to the article, Doug was a pretty major hashish dealer. Now, when I first read this I was thinking, how much does this really matter. Lots of people sold drugs to friends when they were young and then went on to perfectly normal, even establishmentarian lives. That’s part of what this was. Doug’s dealing apparently ran from when he was 15 to 22. So pretty young.

But it’s a bit more than that. He wasn’t just dealing to friends. He was the guy who supplied street level dealers. So it was a pretty big operation. And bear in mind, these kids weren’t growing up in rough inner city poverty. They came from a very wealthy family and lived in an exclusive neighborhood.

So way back when current city councilor and brother Doug Ford was a dealer. Apparently Randy Ford, another brother was too. But he was the crazy one. Let’s discuss Marco Orlando. He was allegedly one of the guy’s Doug supplied and was himself a dealer. Only he fell behind on what he owed Doug.

So this happened …

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He was also supplied a lot of drugs on credit but was notoriously unreliable when it came to paying for them. Among his suppliers, the suspicion was that Marco was sharing his illicit proceeds with his parents and feigning poverty. So two weeks before Christmas, they hatched a plan, said “Tom,” a drug dealer who said he was involved in the scheme.
On a Tuesday night, with the usual throng of young adults outside the Bank of Montreal at the Royal York Plaza, Marco was jumped, beaten and thrown into a car. He was driven more than 30 kilometres to a basement in Bolton, where someone called his parents, demanding they hand over the money. For 10 hours, Mr. Orlando was captive, but his parents didn’t panic. Instead, they called the police. Within three days, all three men allegedly involved in the plot were under arrest.

Randy Ford was one of those arrested for the kidnapping. The guy who represented Randy, Dennis Morris, is the same lawyer represented the current Mayor in the crack situation.

Then there’s the sister Kathy.

Last year, her long time boyfriend, who’s also a convicted crack and hash dealer, was charged with threatening the Mayor’s (i.e., her brother’s life). But it was probably clear that Scott MacIntyre wasn’t a great guy back in 2005 when he and a friend were charged with shooting Kathy in the face. (She survived.)

And she’d had relationship problems before - like when her drug addict ex-husband shot and killed her then-current boyfriend. And there’s a whole other part of the story which is that the boyfriend who was killed was a big white supremacist and apparently Kathy was too. But it’s notable that her associates in the white supremacist world were apparently also major drug dealers.

Now the big stuff appears to be relatively far in the past. And the article is clear that Rob Ford, the Mayor, who was a couple years younger, does not seem to have been actively involved in the brothers’ drug business himself. But what the article also notes is that a lot of people from the Fords’ drug dealing days - people who were in the business themselves - are part of the Mayor’s current entourage.

It is, to put it mildly, a really weird story. It’s also important to note that the big stuff happened when all these guys were younger. To get the full feel for it, read the article. But after reading it, you’ll be a whole lot less surprised that the Mayor was off smoking crack with some Somali crack dealers.

 :holeup

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2013, 12:22:39 AM

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“Fires of Siberia,” a bodice-ripper starring a Michele Bachmann-like figure goes on sale June 1. “Presidential candidate Danielle Powers, full of firebrand pluck and red state sex appeal, has the country in a tizzy. But on an international tour to beef up her foreign policy experience, disaster ensues—her plane explodes over Siberia. Miraculously, Danielle survives, along with one other passenger—a mysterious stranger named Steadman Bass. Trapped in a wilderness of snow and ice, the two begin a journey that pushes Danielle to the brink. There she must confront her deepest self and choose between civilization and a wild, primitive ecstasy,” says the description.

 :whew

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 26, 2013, 01:31:47 PM

Hey!  That's not American politics, Rumbler!  :maf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 01:46:26 PM

wait, if his family is involved in drugs...how come he had to go to a crack house to smoke some? Why not have it sent to his house discreetly.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 26, 2013, 05:30:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 01:46:26 PM

wait, if his family is involved in drugs...how come he had to go to a crack house to smoke some? Why not have it sent to his house discreetly.

Because

A)  Doug dealt drugs 30 years ago, not now.

and

B)  Presumably, Rob Ford's wife isn't on board with the whole "my husband the mayor smokes rocks" thing, and because the Toronto Police already regularly attend their house responding to domestics, he probably thought it safer to indulge his habit outside of the home.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 08:15:18 PM

Quote from: Boogie on May 26, 2013, 05:30:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 01:46:26 PM

wait, if his family is involved in drugs...how come he had to go to a crack house to smoke some? Why not have it sent to his house discreetly.

Because

A)  Doug dealt drugs 30 years ago, not now.

and

B)  Presumably, Rob Ford's wife isn't on board with the whole "my husband the mayor smokes rocks" thing, and because the Toronto Police already regularly attend their house responding to domestics, he probably thought it safer to indulge his habit outside of the home.

I seriously doubt they go to his house on such a frequency that he couldn't discreetly smoke crack in his house without being caught; that's ridiculous. The story just doesn't make sense to me. Marion Barry got caught in a hotel; he had been doing it for years, and was only caught due to a sting operation. Ford (allegedly) smoked crack in some weird location and took pictures with drug dealers...he has to be the stupidest mayor alive.

Get a hotel bro

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 26, 2013, 08:17:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 08:15:18 PM

he has to be the stupidest mayor alive.

Yes?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2013, 08:19:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 08:15:18 PM

Quote from: Boogie on May 26, 2013, 05:30:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 01:46:26 PM

wait, if his family is involved in drugs...how come he had to go to a crack house to smoke some? Why not have it sent to his house discreetly.

Because

A)  Doug dealt drugs 30 years ago, not now.

and

B)  Presumably, Rob Ford's wife isn't on board with the whole "my husband the mayor smokes rocks" thing, and because the Toronto Police already regularly attend their house responding to domestics, he probably thought it safer to indulge his habit outside of the home.

I seriously doubt they go to his house on such a frequency that he couldn't discreetly smoke crack in his house without being caught; that's ridiculous. The story just doesn't make sense to me. Marion Barry got caught in a hotel; he had been doing it for years, and was only caught due to a sting operation. Ford (allegedly) smoked crack in some weird location and took pictures with drug dealers...he has to be the stupidest mayor alive.

Get a hotel bro

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 08:30:33 PM

Welll...I guess he is the stupidest mayor alive :ohhh

anyway during an unfortunate facebook back-and-force on "Umbrella-Gate" I whipped out some evidence that yes, marines have indeed held umbrellas for presidents before.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3022027/posts?page=8#8
Yes, that's a Free Republic poster calling out the bullshit.  :lol

So far no response on facebook, I'm guessing he'll respond later with something like "that doesn't make Obama right"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2013, 09:04:03 PM

More Rob Ford goodness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOi2wIUCTnA

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 26, 2013, 09:16:13 PM

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So far no response on facebook, I'm guessing he'll respond later with something like "that doesn't make Obama right"

the responses back i've seen have basically been "that was X years ago!" which, somehow, means anything that any other republican president has ever done doesn't matter.

I bet the vast majority of people didn't even know this was an issue until someone pointed out to them.

I also see twitter chatter has shifted from any specific issue for impeachment and is now focused on "overseeing the most corrupt and illegal presidency"  - they threw this out there too soon if the tactic was to try and keep this going.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2013, 11:06:59 PM

'merica!

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/25/us/states-policies-on-health-care-exclude-poorest.html?src=rechp&_r=1&

So, if you're middle class/lower middle class, you'll get subsidies to help you get insurance, but the GOP has made it impossible for poor people in half the country to get access to healthcare.  It's almost like they don't want people to believe government can do things!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2013, 11:08:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 01:46:26 PM

wait, if his family is involved in drugs...how come he had to go to a crack house to smoke some? Why not have it sent to his house discreetly.

Yeah, why is the crackhead making poor decisions?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 11:47:31 PM

Yup, was about to post about that. There's no policy or logical explanation behind this, it's all pure spite and anti-Obummer hysteria. Republican spent years scaring people, and now they can't implement this stuff without causing crazy people to riot. Look at Arizona...

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GOP Governor Shuts Down Lawmaking Until Her Party Agrees To Expand Medicaid

Gov. Jan Brewer sent five bills to the scrap heap Thursday in a pointed gesture intended to prod lawmakers into a deal on the budget and her plan to expand Medicaid.

The five vetoes, follow-through on Brewer’s promise to block legislation until her top priorities move forward, capped a tense day that saw some lawmakers receive threats over their support for the plan to provide health care for more of the state’s poor.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130523brewer-vetoes-senate-bills-medicaid-moratorium.html?nclick_check=1

Jan Brewer of all people, making sense. The Medicaid expansion would put more than 50,000 Arizonans in the programs. That's 50,000 people who the state would no longer be paying for; 50,000 people who would no longer be raising other people's premiums by getting emergency room care. A governor would be an idiot to turn down the chance to cut their budget spending/deficit with this. Some people have said the rejections are simply a "fuck poor people" position from establishment republicans, but I don't believe that. The expansion will be a profit windfall for the insurance and hospital industry - ie rich people will make dough off this. I think this is more about right wing voters being incensed at the idea of any part of Obamacare coming to their state, and even more upset at the idea of their tax dollars being used by the takers/47%.

from the same article

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Brophy McGee said she was shaken by a voice mail she received when she arrived at her legislative office on Thursday morning.

“It was an obscene, abusive phone call,” she said. The caller, who left the message on Wednesday evening, seemed impaired as he complained about Medicaid expansion. He left a phone number.

Brophy McGee said the call only solidified her resolve to support Medicaid expansion.

Rep. Heather Carter, R-Cave Creek, another proponent of Medicaid expansion, said she also referred a threatening call to security.

Carter said the gist of the message was: “We’re going to come in and storm your office.”

“I’m getting e-mails saying, ‘We’re going to follow you everywhere you go,’” she said.

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Rep. Doug Coleman, R-Apache Junction, said he’s received threats against his political future, something echoed in an open letter this week from Maricopa County Republican Party Chairman A.J. LaFaro to lawmakers.

“Their egregious actions will have serious consequences,” LaFaro wrote of the six Republicans senators who sided with a unified Democratic caucus to pass Medicaid expansion and add extra funding for education and Child Protective Services. “Their political careers are all but over and their days are numbered.”

They created this Frankenstein (the tea party) and have to live with it. Unfortunately so does everyone else, meaning half the country will get fucked over. I need to move to California...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2013, 11:59:07 PM

Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/26/tom-coburn-disaster-relief_n_3339498.html

Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) reiterated on Sunday that he won't support additional disaster relief funding without spending cuts elsewhere -- even after tornadoes ripped apart his own state last week.

"We've created kind of a predicate, that you don't have to be responsible for what goes on in your state," he said on CBS' "Face the Nation" while discussing the success Oklahoma has had in using state and private funds after the tornadoes.

Screw you, Tom.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 27, 2013, 12:17:45 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2013, 11:47:31 PM

Yup, was about to post about that. There's no policy or logical explanation behind this, it's all pure spite and anti-Obummer hysteria. Republican spent years scaring people, and now they can't implement this stuff without causing crazy people to riot. Look at Arizona...

Quote

GOP Governor Shuts Down Lawmaking Until Her Party Agrees To Expand Medicaid

Gov. Jan Brewer sent five bills to the scrap heap Thursday in a pointed gesture intended to prod lawmakers into a deal on the budget and her plan to expand Medicaid.

The five vetoes, follow-through on Brewer’s promise to block legislation until her top priorities move forward, capped a tense day that saw some lawmakers receive threats over their support for the plan to provide health care for more of the state’s poor.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20130523brewer-vetoes-senate-bills-medicaid-moratorium.html?nclick_check=1

Jan Brewer of all people, making sense. The Medicaid expansion would put more than 50,000 Arizonans in the programs. That's 50,000 people who the state would no longer be paying for; 50,000 people who would no longer be raising other people's premiums by getting emergency room care. A governor would be an idiot to turn down the chance to cut their budget spending/deficit with this. Some people have said the rejections are simply a "fuck poor people" position from establishment republicans, but I don't believe that. The expansion will be a profit windfall for the insurance and hospital industry - ie rich people will make dough off this. I think this is more about right wing voters being incensed at the idea of any part of Obamacare coming to their state, and even more upset at the idea of their tax dollars being used by the takers/47%.

from the same article

Quote

Brophy McGee said she was shaken by a voice mail she received when she arrived at her legislative office on Thursday morning.

“It was an obscene, abusive phone call,” she said. The caller, who left the message on Wednesday evening, seemed impaired as he complained about Medicaid expansion. He left a phone number.

Brophy McGee said the call only solidified her resolve to support Medicaid expansion.

Rep. Heather Carter, R-Cave Creek, another proponent of Medicaid expansion, said she also referred a threatening call to security.

Carter said the gist of the message was: “We’re going to come in and storm your office.”

“I’m getting e-mails saying, ‘We’re going to follow you everywhere you go,’” she said.

Quote

Rep. Doug Coleman, R-Apache Junction, said he’s received threats against his political future, something echoed in an open letter this week from Maricopa County Republican Party Chairman A.J. LaFaro to lawmakers.

“Their egregious actions will have serious consequences,” LaFaro wrote of the six Republicans senators who sided with a unified Democratic caucus to pass Medicaid expansion and add extra funding for education and Child Protective Services. “Their political careers are all but over and their days are numbered.”

They created this Frankenstein (the tea party) and have to live with it. Unfortunately so does everyone else, meaning half the country will get fucked over. I need to move to California...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you voted for a Republican governor?  :smug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2013, 12:22:26 AM

Quote from: Yeti on May 25, 2013, 06:41:43 PM

Republican state senator in Kansas: cutting tax on food will cause poor to buy too much.

Not an Onion article.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/24/kansas-lawmaker-opposes-encouraging-the-behavior-of-purchasing-food-with-lower-food-taxes/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/24/kansas-lawmaker-opposes-encouraging-the-behavior-of-purchasing-food-with-lower-food-taxes/)

Cause poors are poor cause of their own behavior, and the best way to correct that is with INCENTIVES!  Incentives meaning the most pain and highest cost for whatever behavior of theirs you personally disapprove of.

This is becoming a hobby-horse of mine, but really.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2013, 12:26:01 AM

Vermont and MA have very good healthcare systems, yet we don't see red states getting jealous or wanting to replicate their success. So I kind of disagree with Krugman there, I think there will always be some spin or excuse to dismiss a competent, active government. But I think expanding Medicaid will be a popular idea in many blue or purple states that are currently held by republicans (Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio especially), and eventually the only expansion hold outs will be in the GOP strongholds of the south and heartland.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2013, 12:40:15 AM

Yup.  More generally, you don't see deep red states looking towards the richer coastal states as models for public education, labor laws, etc.  The people being affected by poor state-level implementation are poor folks and those in the market for individual insurance, as far as I can tell, and those aren't terribly influential groups.

Also think you're right about eventual Medicaid expansion.  As it becomes less tied with Obama in the public mind, it'll become more of a clear political winner for governors and state legislators.  "I helped tens of thousands of our state's citizens get the medical coverage they need, all while maintaining a balanced budget" etc.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2013, 01:26:56 AM

Exactly. For all the complaints about "government takeovers," it's republican states that are completely rejecting to participate with ACA, meaning the federal government will set up the exchanges instead of the state. Texas stands out here, and is going to lose a lot of money for no good reason outside of Rick Perry wanting to run for president again.

Meanwhile Arkansas and some other states have found a "conservative" approach to the expansion: use the federal Medicaid money to purchase private insurance for lower income people. It could be the compromise that leads to more red states quickly adopting the Medicaid expansion.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/05/what-a-private-option-for-medicaid-expansion-might-look-like.html

The problem could end up being that poor people wind up having to pay relatively high deductibles and copays (which is part of the reason the plan is so appealing to republicans, I'm sure).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2013, 11:24:12 AM

Quote from: http://editors.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/05/mayor_crack_scandal_now_possibly_tied_to_murder.php

Up until now every day seems to bring a new revelation of Toronto’s fun-loving politics and drug underworld family, the Fords. Yesterday, after calling the Toronto media a “bunch of maggots”, Mayor Rob Ford denied the very existence of the purported video at the center of the evolving scandal. But today, the Globe and Mail reports the story is moving to a whole new and potentially terrifying level - much more serious but no less bizarre.

Two sources have confirmed to the paper that Toronto police last week interviewed a senior member of Mayor Ford’s staff in regards to a murder that may be related to the video of Mayor Ford smoking crack.

 :mindblown :kobeyuck

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2013, 05:11:16 PM

McCain sneaks across Turkey-Syria border, meets with rebels (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57586327/mccain-sneaks-across-turkey-syria-border-meets-with-rebels/)

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McCain and one commander discussed Hezbollah's increasing role in Syrian fighting and also the issue of extremism, when McCain asked commanders how to best combat extremism. The commanders agreed that the best way was for them to be armed under the command of Idris.

Ehhhhh...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2013, 05:20:28 PM

It's so odd that someone who was tortured for years during an illegal war that shouldn't have been fought has spent nearly his entire legislative career trying to send men into illegal wars that shouldn't be fought.

No, no, no, no. No intervention in Syria.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 27, 2013, 09:50:16 PM

Somebody's getting fired. I bet they told him it would be like his trip outside of the green zone in Iraq a decade ago.

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McCain, who was inside Syria for roughly an hour, had two personal security guards with him.

Slightly less protection than the 150 soldiers, 20 humvees, and three black hawks he toured Baghdad with.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 28, 2013, 12:40:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2013, 05:20:28 PM

It's so odd that someone who was tortured for years during an illegal war that shouldn't have been fought has spent nearly his entire legislative career trying to send men into illegal wars that shouldn't be fought.

No, no, no, no. No intervention in Syria.

His behavior makes much more sense when you find out that his favorite book is For Whom The Bell Tolls and that he finds lost causes noble or some shit.  Basically, he's a fucktard.  The media's infatuation with him is dumb; basically, he's not maverick-y at all... everything he does makes sense when viewed through the prism that he's a petulant, grudge holding asshole.  It's just that from 2000-2007 or so that meant he was bucking his party occasionally because his grudge was against Dubya, so the media was all "Grandpa is teh awesome!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 28, 2013, 08:05:24 AM

The EU is lifting the ban on selling weapons to the Syrian opposition, with the reasoning that this will put pressure on Assad to make a deal.  Russia says it's going to ship anti-aircraft missiles to Syria (apparently fulfilling an order from before the civil war broke out) and that this will discourage anyone new from getting involved.  The US seems to be facilitating the supply of weapons to Ahmed Chalabi Salam Idris via Saudi Arabia.

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vpE6uMJ37dk/UOScrne47aI/AAAAAAAAEL4/Ki-4IWO-SoY/s1600/ron-paul.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 28, 2013, 08:29:14 AM

Now we just need for some grifter to meet with our intelligence guys at Andrew Sullivan's summer house to stand in for "Curveball" and we're done.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on May 29, 2013, 03:45:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2013, 12:26:01 AM

Vermont and MA have very good healthcare systems, yet we don't see red states getting jealous or wanting to replicate their success. So I kind of disagree with Krugman there, I think there will always be some spin or excuse to dismiss a competent, active government. But I think expanding Medicaid will be a popular idea in many blue or purple states that are currently held by republicans (Michigan, Wisconsin, Ohio especially), and eventually the only expansion hold outs will be in the GOP strongholds of the south and heartland.

Well VT has nearly all its citizens insured, but MA's set up is kind of shit. The state (MA) provides you with nothing but fines you if your income is at a certain level. I can't get insurance that meets the state imposed minimums but fall within the income range and thus get to give some extra money to the state and get absolutely nothing in return. That's not universal fucking health care but lots of people in state think that we have it. :(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on May 29, 2013, 07:35:54 AM

L8R SK8R

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/29/michele-bachmann-to-leave-congress-insisting-departure-has-nothing-to-do-with-ongoing-ethics-investigation/

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Accompanied by odd digitized theme music, Minnesota Congresswoman Michele Bachmann announced early Wednesday morning via YouTube that she would not seek a fifth term in Congress. At this writing, comments for the ‘Team Bachmann‘ video have been disabled.

During her video presentation, Bachmann (R-Minn.) insisted that her announcement was not related to the ongoing ethics investigation regarding alleged misconduct during her failed attempt to win the 2012 Republican presidential primary.

“Be assured: My decision was not in any way influenced by any concerns about my being reelected to Congress,” Bachmann said. “I have every confidence that if I ran, I would again defeat the individual who I defeated last year, who recently announced he is once again running.”

“And rest assured, this decision was not impacted in any way by the recent inquiries into the activities of my former presidential campaign or my former presidential staff. It was clearly understood that compliance with all rules and regulations was an absolute necessity for my presidential campaign.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-nV4AGV50I

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 29, 2013, 08:55:41 AM

:hyper

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2013, 09:33:27 AM

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

And ROFL @ at her trying to say this isn't because of the investigation

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2013, 10:23:26 AM

It's obviously a stunt to pump up sales for that erotic Michele Bachmann fanfiction.

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“Fires of Siberia,” a bodice-ripper starring a Michele Bachmann-like figure goes on sale June 1. “Presidential candidate Danielle Powers, full of firebrand pluck and red state sex appeal, has the country in a tizzy. But on an international tour to beef up her foreign policy experience, disaster ensues—her plane explodes over Siberia. Miraculously, Danielle survives, along with one other passenger—a mysterious stranger named Steadman Bass. Trapped in a wilderness of snow and ice, the two begin a journey that pushes Danielle to the brink. There she must confront her deepest self and choose between civilization and a wild, primitive ecstasy,” says the description.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2013, 10:07:36 AM

Quote

BEIRUT, Lebanon — President Bashar al-Assad of Syria said in a television interview to be broadcast on Thursday that Russia has delivered S-300 air defense missiles to his country, weapons that Israel has said present a threat to its security and against which it is willing to use force.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/world/middleeast/syria.html?hp&_r=0

here we go fellas. Just in time for our proposed no fly zone.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2013, 03:06:37 PM

Send John McCain back over.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2013, 07:36:23 PM

Here's Grandpa McCain's Syrian strategy:

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MCCAIN: ...if they move that in, it's going to make it more complicated, and certainly maybe gives us a little bit of skepticism about a conference. But, we can provide them with a safe zone. We can provide them a place to organize inside Syria. We can give them the heavy weapons that they need...

RADDATZ: Who's -- who's them? Who's them?

MCCAIN: ...well I -- I know them. I have met them.* They're there. They...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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*Senator John McCain’s office is pushing back against reports that while visiting Syria this week he posed in a photo with rebels who kidnapped 11 Lebanese Shi’ite pilgrims.

The photo, released by McCain’s office, shows McCain with a group of rebels. Among them are two men identified in the Lebanese press as Mohamed Nour and Abu Ibrahim, two of the kidnappers of the group from Lebanon.

A McCain spokesman said that no one who met with McCain identified themselves by either of those names.

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RADDATZ: But how do you keep out good rebels, and bad rebels?

MCCAIN: Because...

RADDATZ: You've got al-Qaeda rebels, running around...

MCCAIN: Thank you. Martha, these are legitimate questions you're asking. But they are there. And you put them inside Syria, they then have a Benghazi. Then they have a place to organize, to -- to identify the right people. These Jihadists aren't -- there aren't that many of them, they're just so good. Because they've been fighting all over the Middle East for all these years, and they're not afraid to die. But we could still organize a legitimate and non-Jihadist group that are already there.

They've got a great general. They've got a fine man who is in charge of the Syrian -- Syrian National Council. Look, we can...

In other words, who the fuck knows? Jihadists are awesome! Just start shipping guns over there and let's see what happens! Whatever, who cares?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 30, 2013, 08:09:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2013, 10:07:36 AM

Quote

BEIRUT, Lebanon — President Bashar al-Assad of Syria said in a television interview to be broadcast on Thursday that Russia has delivered S-300 air defense missiles to his country, weapons that Israel has said present a threat to its security and against which it is willing to use force.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/31/world/middleeast/syria.html?hp&_r=0

here we go fellas. Just in time for our proposed no fly zone.

Those missiles wont be up and running for some time. Would bet money on something happening to them before they can be set up properly.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Israeli Air Force says hi

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2013, 09:50:37 PM

Mandark alert

In my infinite wisdom I entered a debate on Glenn Greenwald. I've been reading his stuff off-and-on for a long time, I consider myself generally familiar with his worldview and opinions. Well today on twitter (what a shitty way to start a serious sentence) I was surprised to see some Obama slappies I follow accusing Greenwald of racism for his fierce attacks against Obama/Holder. I don't agree with Greenwald all the time (far from it) but in general I dislike seeing the race card thrown around, so I mentioned he was a fierce Bush/Ashcroft critic as well. This resulted in a flurry of "Greenwald is racist" FUD revolving around him being a former attorney for neo-Nazis. Defending neo-Nazis on first amendment grounds seems fine to me, but he also apparently defended them in criminal court.

And then as if to make my soul burn slow, I was confronted with this Hitchens-esque defense of the Iraq invasion
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BLjgeYlCQAE6Kgg.jpg:small)

Mandark, I need you to google all of this and tell me whether it's true or not. I'm too depressed right now, not just because I apparently lost an argument on twitter, but because I've read Greenwald for like 8 years and not noticed a hint of any of this.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 30, 2013, 10:01:23 PM

I hate people talking about Greenwald cos he's the absolute fucking spit of a younger version of my dad and it weirds me the hell out.

Also what's the deal with him anyway? Not really read any of his stuff and all of a sudden he's the word on everyone's lips.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2013, 10:06:20 PM

From the preface of How Would a Patriot Act? by Glenn Greenwald:

Quote from: http://www.bookbrowse.com/excerpts/index.cfm?fuseaction=printable&book_number=1812

During the lead-up to the invasion, I was concerned that the hell-bent focus on invading Iraq was being driven by agendas and strategic objectives that had nothing to do with terrorism or the 9/11 attacks. The overt rationale for the invasion was exceedingly weak, particularly given that it would lead to an open-ended, incalculably costly, and intensely risky preemptive war. Around the same time, it was revealed that an invasion of Iraq and the removal of Saddam Hussein had been high on the agenda of various senior administration officials long before September 11. Despite these doubts, concerns, and grounds for ambivalence, I had not abandoned my trust in the Bush administration. Between the president's performance in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, the swift removal of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and the fact that I wanted the president to succeed, because my loyalty is to my country and he was the leader of my country, I still gave the administration the benefit of the doubt. I believed then that the president was entitled to have his national security judgment deferred to, and to the extent that I was able to develop a definitive view, I accepted his judgment that American security really would be enhanced by the invasion of this sovereign country.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 30, 2013, 10:14:26 PM

dude said he didnt even follow or care about politics til like 2005.

anything relevant he has to say is buried under a mountain of "I KNOW THE ONE SECRET TRUTH" with-us-or-against-us mentality that makes him impossible to debate or take seriously.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2013, 12:40:59 AM

*ARMCHAIR PSYCHOANALYSIS ALERT*

Yeah, I've known about Greenwald's support of the Iraq war for a while.  I think it sort of explains his attitude: he's got the zeal of a convert.  In a lot of ways he acts like a student who has just been exposed to Noam Chomsky or Howard Zinn, and reacts by adopting a new dogma and being really judgmental towards anyone who reminds him of his former self.

Plus a lot of his rhetoric about current civil liberties violations/security state measures being historically new phenomena make more sense in that context.  He wasn't paying that much attention before, and when he started to get involved, it was borne from outrage at the current situation.  He didn't have any context and he hasn't bothered to pick any up, really.

As far as I know he's still a fine writer when he's right (and lord knows the security state can make it hard to be wrong if you oppose it sometimes), but he's got some really shitty habits and I just don't feel like I learn that much from reading him.



PS Hadn't heard about the neo-Nazi thing.  Everyone needs legal counsel.  Won't say he's racist, but his brand of progressive politics is a lot easier to swallow in general if you're a white dude with a college education.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 31, 2013, 01:43:20 AM

I hate it when people try to rewrite their past views to match their current rhetoric. Bush's reelection confirmed to me that people would rather be apathetic than admit they were wrong. At least until enough time has passed for other people to forget.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 31, 2013, 03:04:33 PM

http://gawker.com/fox-news-host-smacks-down-misogynist-right-wing-blogger-510706045 (http://gawker.com/fox-news-host-smacks-down-misogynist-right-wing-blogger-510706045)

 :dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 31, 2013, 03:17:18 PM

Erick Erickson?  Talking gender determinism?  Nope nope nope nopenopenope NOPE.  Even with the prospect of seeing him humiliated I don't think I can subject myself to that.


Let's all watch this instead:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqFaiVNuy1k

Made me legitimately tear up.   :bow Picard :bow2

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 31, 2013, 03:26:19 PM

 :-[

What an awesome guy.  Also why doesn't he age?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2013, 03:41:32 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 31, 2013, 03:04:33 PM

http://gawker.com/fox-news-host-smacks-down-misogynist-right-wing-blogger-510706045 (http://gawker.com/fox-news-host-smacks-down-misogynist-right-wing-blogger-510706045)

 :dead

 :whoo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2013, 03:45:07 PM

For PD

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/michigan-governor-distributes-chick-themed-stickers-at-policy?ref=fpblg

Son, I am disappoint

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2013, 04:17:08 PM

How come you didn't accuse Obama of sexism when he called a woman a "young lady" :pacspit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2013, 05:18:04 PM

Who cares about sexism, we're talking about your vote for a cornball Beaver Cleaver motherfucker that's been running GOP playbook 101 up in Michigan.

ASPLAIN YOURSELF

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 31, 2013, 05:23:00 PM

I have a feeling PD could rescue a whole family from a burning building and Triumph would ask him in the interview afterwards why he voted for Snyder.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 31, 2013, 05:30:53 PM

I've only voted in three elections but I still haven't voted for a loser or somebody that I regret yet. This is a really location-dependent type of thing.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2013, 05:51:48 PM

I was so used to just voting for the black guy that having two older white gentlemen on the ballot confused me.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2013, 06:41:51 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 31, 2013, 06:18:15 PM

I voted for Arnold in the Gray Davis recall election. Most of the other students I knew, despite being very anti-Republican by that point, were angry about UC funding cuts and tuition increases, and voted in Arnold.

We had no idea what we were in for over the next few years. Pretty sure UCSB tuition is around 3x what it was for me in 2002.

That's not exclusive to California, it's pretty much all over.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2013, 06:52:20 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 31, 2013, 06:18:15 PM

I voted for Arnold in the Gray Davis recall election. Most of the other students I knew, despite being very anti-Republican by that point, were angry about UC funding cuts and tuition increases, and voted in Arnold.

We had no idea what we were in for over the next few years. Pretty sure UCSB tuition is around 3x what it was for me in 2002.

So basically, you took a chance on a fresh face, no nonsense republican after an inefficient democrat ran your state into the ground? You're no different than me  :'(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 31, 2013, 06:54:25 PM

expecting a smart republican to be better than a dumb democrat :sabu :cmonson

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2013, 07:27:35 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on May 31, 2013, 06:54:25 PM

expecting a smart republican to be better than a dumb democrat :sabu :cmonson

I learned my lesson. I'll never fall for a smart republican again

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://tinyurl.com/ksux837)
 :noah

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 31, 2013, 07:46:17 PM

 :whoo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 31, 2013, 11:08:20 PM

Welp, time to move to Utah

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 01, 2013, 01:54:42 AM

You guys see the debate between Krugman and Newt/Laffer?  Was pretty entertaining. Krugman destroyed Newt to the point that the didn't even bring up his record on the 90s, which as far as I know, Newt's never done before. :lol

Guess Krugman spent some extra time hitting the books after getting shredded and deported from Scarborough Country. :usacry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2013, 02:08:09 AM

Krugman's passive aggressive swag is untouchable. He'll hit you with like a smooth jazz equivalent of ether and have your soul burning slow for days. You could just tell Laffer was thinking "you little piece of shit..." for much of the debate  :lol

Also gotta love Laffer praising the economic growth that JFK's tax cuts generated while casually forgetting to mention that the rate went from 90%...to 70%. If we could have an economic boom at a highest marginal rate of 70%, we should be fine with Obama's socialist communist nazism highest rate of 39%

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2013, 05:05:20 AM

Mandark...did you see the GSL finals? Just went off

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2013, 05:08:36 AM

That was nuts.

I still haven't installed HotS.  The idea is to keep myself from procrastinating, but instead I'm GM in ghost-town Wings of Liberty.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2013, 05:25:56 AM

I was so close to going to bed. What a classic series, and I think they'll be meeting again soon.

I bought HoTS recently but haven't had time to play much. Haven't watched much either, outside of some Proleague, the last MLG, and the Europe WCS which was awesome. Tonight was the first GSL series I've seen this season, but I've followed the forums. I definitely enjoy watching this expansion more than the final year of WoL; lots of macro and multi pronged attacks.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 01, 2013, 09:41:15 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 01, 2013, 01:54:42 AM

You guys see the debate between Krugman and Newt/Laffer?  Was pretty entertaining. Krugman destroyed Newt to the point that the didn't even bring up his record on the 90s, which as far as I know, Newt's never done before. :lol

Guess Krugman spent some extra time hitting the books after getting shredded and deported from Scarborough Country. :usacry

Link?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2013, 09:55:15 AM

I don't even really think Krugman "lost" that "debate" with Joe... as he said, he was completely thrown off by Scarborough's tactic of saying "oh sure we should spend now, lol everyone thinks that" while simultaneously denying that the right was crying about deficit spending.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2013, 09:58:35 AM

Here's the debate in full:

http://new.livestream.com/Munk-Debates/taxing-the-rich/videos/20152434

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2013, 10:04:35 AM

Starts at about 20 minutes, intro is bullshit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2013, 11:16:32 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 01, 2013, 10:04:35 AM

Starts at about 20 minutes, intro is bullshit

Truly the best way to describe anything that involves Larry Summers

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 03, 2013, 01:34:20 AM

Rest easy guys, we have top people on this shit

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/congressmen-use-seagal-to-find-boston-attack-clues-in-russia.php?ref=fpa

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2013, 08:12:44 AM

 :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2013, 10:10:35 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/03/world/middleeast/china-reaps-biggest-benefits-of-iraq-oil-boom.html?hp&_r=0

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“We lost out,” said Michael Makovsky, a former Defense Department official in the Bush administration who worked on Iraq oil policy. “The Chinese had nothing to do with the war, but from an economic standpoint they are benefiting from it, and our Fifth Fleet and air forces are helping to assure their supply.”

The depth of China’s commitment here is evident in details large and small.

In the desert near the Iranian border, China recently built its own airport to ferry workers to Iraq’s southern oil fields, and there are plans to begin direct flights from Beijing and Shanghai to Baghdad soon. In fancy hotels in the port city of Basra, Chinese executives impress their hosts not just by speaking Arabic, but Iraqi-accented Arabic.

Notably, what the Chinese are not doing is complaining. Unlike the executives of Western oil giants like Exxon Mobil, the Chinese happily accept the strict terms of Iraq’s oil contracts, which yield only minimal profits. China is more interested in energy to fuel its economy than profits to enrich its oil giants.

Chinese companies do not have to answer to shareholders, pay dividends or even generate profits. They are tools of Beijing’s foreign policy of securing a supply of energy for its increasingly prosperous and energy hungry population. “We don’t have any problems with them,” said Abdul Mahdi al-Meedi, an Iraqi Oil Ministry official who handles contracts with foreign oil companies. “They are very cooperative. There’s a big difference, the Chinese companies are state companies, while Exxon or BP or Shell are different.”

 :usacry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2013, 02:53:58 PM

:capitalismcry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 03:07:28 PM

It's like the foreign policy equivalent of being friendzoned.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 03, 2013, 03:15:22 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/gop-report-young-voters.php?ref=fpa

Young Obama voters who termed themselves "winnable" by Republicans also called the GOP "close-minded, racist, rigid, and old-fashioned."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2013, 03:38:18 PM

The GOP can't change because the Tea Party has way too much power within the ranks of the GOP. Moderate Republicans are looking more often over their shoulders at challengers from the Right than they are at Democratic challengers. To say nothing of profit-driven RW media, that has realized that fear, anger, hatred, and hysterics result in far more money than sensible, thoughtful news reporting.

It's a vicious feedback loop crammed inside an echo chamber.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 04:27:21 PM

Indeed. The party's idealogical core support is rooted in the south and heartland. Therefore they'll find it hard to quickly moderate due to the power structure being so far out of the mainstream.

Virginia is getting browner, and thus more democrat. Colorado is getting browner, Iowa's urban areas are getting bigger. The electoral college system makes it very hard for them to win.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2013, 04:37:12 PM

And what about Texas? If the GOP loses Texas in the electoral college because of continued immigration across the southern border in the next decade or two, they've got nothing left to keep them in the Presidential game.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 03, 2013, 04:57:53 PM

They're gonna be relevant as long as the filibuster rules in the Senate are what they are.  Fuck, the Dems could lose the Senate in 2014 potentially.

Long term though, shit should get fixed, especially after the next round of re-districting gets done in 2020 after the new Census.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 05:43:27 PM

The redistricting/Census should go better this time. The biggest problem with 2010 was that it was a complete wipeout. Entire state governments were taken over meaning there was no need for compromise. I doubt 2020 will produce such a historic victory for either party, and thus the redistricting will be more even handed. Granted, both sides abuse gerrymandering. But next time both sides will get to do it, whereas in 2010 republicans were predominantly in charge.

http://www.270towin.com/

Play around with the map. With VA, IA, FL, NC, CO, NV, and OH as neutral/swing states, a democrat candidate would start the map at 251 electoral votes. Let's say you add NV and CO to the dem side; both states have exploding Hispanic and youth populations, and both were handily won by Obama: that gives democrats 266 solid electoral votes.

Meanwhile only 186 electoral votes are solid red.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 03, 2013, 05:49:40 PM

I know it's not really kosher to say this, but there's no guarantee the AA vote will turn out at Obama levels when the Dems nominate a honky in 2016 and moving forward.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 06:01:26 PM

Nothing wrong with that, it's historically accurate. The AA vote significantly raised for Obama, it's a fact. However a large part of that also has to do with blacks making up more of the nation than they did in 2000, for instance. So the total number of black votes will remain high enough, even if turnout drops. Same applies to young people, Hispanics, and other growing demographics.

The only shrinking demographic right now are white people, specifically older whites. Whites were 77% of the electorate in 2004; in 2012, they were 72%. By 2016 they'll likely be slightly below 70%. Likewise, voters over the age of 65 were nearly a quarter of the electorate in 2004. Last year they only made up 16%.

TLDR: The republican party, in its current form, is fucked. Barring economic collapse, scandal, terrorist attack, etc democrats should win the 2016 election based on demographics alone.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 03, 2013, 06:57:35 PM

AAs vote 95% Dem anyway. I don't think the benefit of winning 98% instead and the increase in turnout was enough to swing any states but maybe NC in 2008 and FL in 2012.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2013, 07:03:25 PM

Any individual turnout/demographic factor only really matters at the margins, and therefor in close elections.  Squeezing out 5-10% higher turnout could easily make the different in a hypothetical election that depended on an evenly split Ohio, for instance.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 07:34:37 PM

It's worth noting that Bush won Ohio, and thus the election, in 2004 largely due to winning just enough of the black vote to deny Kerry victory. He received 16% of the AA vote there, 5 points better than his national average. Romney probably would have won Ohio if he had performed that "well." But Obama's performance in Ohio amongst blacks was so earth shattering that he didn't have a chance. A major part of Karl Rove's election night panic - outside of him wanting to get his rich donors off his ass - was that he didn't believe the total vote from Cuyahoga County (ie Cleveland) was enough to trump the uncounted republican counties remaining. He greatly underestimated the black turnout, as did every other Romney strategist.

Republicans pretty much gave up on the black vote after 2004, I doubt they'll do as well as Bush did for a very long time.

To me, the question is moreso whether black voters will show the same level of loyalty and support to a white democrat who's last name isn't Clinton. Are black people going to stand in line for 3-5 hours for Andrew Cuomo, for instance. I think some of that will depend on how far republicans continue to push voter suppression laws. That plan really backfired on republicans last year and emboldened blacks (and Hispanics). Ultimately the demographic increases should ensure blacks make up 13% or more of the electorate in 2016, and any regional losses due to long lines and less passion/loyalty to the nominee will be made up due to that nominee doing better among whites than Obama did.

TLDR: The next white non-Clinton nominee will do slightly worse among blacks while doing better among whites.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 03, 2013, 09:46:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 06:01:26 PM

Nothing wrong with that, it's historically accurate. The AA vote significantly raised for Obama, it's a fact. However a large part of that also has to do with blacks making up more of the nation than they did in 2000, for instance. So the total number of black votes will remain high enough, even if turnout drops. Same applies to young people, Hispanics, and other growing demographics.

The only shrinking demographic right now are white people, specifically older whites. Whites were 77% of the electorate in 2004; in 2012, they were 72%. By 2016 they'll likely be slightly below 70%. Likewise, voters over the age of 65 were nearly a quarter of the electorate in 2004. Last year they only made up 16%.

TLDR: The republican party, in its current form, is fucked. Barring economic collapse, scandal, terrorist attack, etc democrats should win the 2016 election based on demographics alone.

The best part is even if the GOP wanted to change, they have their crazy ass base of voters and large donors that will suppress any moderate (read: electable) GOP candidates.  It's going to take a lot for them to turn it around, if they can.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2013, 09:51:27 PM

Exactly. Just look how the far right continues to crucify Chris Christie, despite him being a clear conservative/pro life/anti union/alpha male daddy/bully/etc. He's exactly what they need. Someone who has some bipartisan qualities, can appeal to a general audience, is very personable, is a solid debater, can sell conservative ideas to hostile crowds, etc.

But nope, bring in the clowns and Rand Paul or Ted Cruz. Perhaps an utter 2016 failure will be good for them, like the "I told you so" implosion of Goldwater in 1964.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2013, 09:23:37 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/04/john-boehner-god_n_3381883.html

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Barely 36 hours after the caustic New Year’s Day vote, Boehner faced a coup attempt from a clutch of renegade conservatives. The cabal quickly fell apart when several Republicans, after a night of prayer, said God told them to spare the speaker. Still, Boehner came within a few votes of failing to secure his speakership on the initial vote, an outcome that would have forced a second ballot for the first time in nearly a century.

 :lol :lol :lol :comeon

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2013, 10:29:55 AM

:what

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2013, 10:45:20 AM

The recent spat between Erick Erickson, founder of Red State, and moderate republican Josh Barro really highlights the problem the GOP faces.

Erikson's article is largely a hit piece on Barro and other "fake" republicans who are too moderate. His resentment is palpable, and goes beyond disliking Barro's political views:

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Josh Barro is a late twenty-something gay male who hates conservatives, champions Obamacare, attacks Republicans for wanting to oppose it, supports the tax hikes that come with Obamacare, wants to rid the GOP of social conservatives, and gets fawning pieces of prattle composed by liberals who want everyone to know that their friend Josh Barro is a conservative reformer who wants less conservatism.

http://www.redstate.com/2013/06/04/on-conservative-reformers/ (http://www.redstate.com/2013/06/04/on-conservative-reformers/)

What does Barro's sexuality have to do with anything? Absolutely nothing, but it doesn't take a genius to realize why Erickson highlights it. The rest of the piece is riddled in inaccurate statements and bile. Barro's response hits the nail on the head, perfectly.

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And for two decades, the Republican party’s strategy to overcome its disadvantage on economic issues has been a cultural appeal to people like Erickson: non-urban whites who feel threatened by social change. That is, the kind of people who think it’s an alarming trend that women are financially independent, or who think the most salient fact about a writer they dislike might be his sexual orientation.

This is a strategic problem for Republicans for several reasons. One is that the party’s reliance on a resentment-based appeal has caused its policy apparatus to atrophy. Erickson is not alone among conservatives in thinking that “academic and technocratic” approaches are best left to pointy-headed liberals. Another is that people like Erickson are a declining share of the electorate.

Basically, Erickson is derpy. And Erickson has big appeal to conservatives because lots of them are derpy. But the country is getting less derpy, and in time the Republican party will have to get less derpy, too. That’s my project, and I don’t expect Erickson to like it.

http://www.businessinsider.com/erick-erickson-shows-the-worst-in-gop-2013-6#ixzz2VG6WP3Yz (http://www.businessinsider.com/erick-erickson-shows-the-worst-in-gop-2013-6#ixzz2VG6WP3Yz)

I recommend reading both articles because they really highlight the "closing of the mind" phenomena among many on the far right.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2013, 11:13:04 AM

more surprisingly not the first time "derpy" has been used in Business Insider

http://www.businessinsider.com/top-10-video-game-characters-that-first-appeared-on-mobile-2012-4

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8. Burger Cat

Although he's the relative newcomer to this list (his game debuted last week), we see tremendous potential for this portly cheeseburger-munching feline. Burger Cat's insatiable appetite combined with his derpy antics make him impossible to resist. We just want to run up and squeeze him. At this point, it remains to be seen whether Ravenous Games has plans for Burger Cat 2, but at the very least, a branded chef's hat and apron seem like bestsellers.

Read more: http://www.modojo.com/features/top_10_video_game_characters_that_first_appeared_on_mobile/#ixzz2VGE6H5Yl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2013, 11:14:26 AM

My portfolio is being derpy this month.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 04, 2013, 01:59:29 PM

closing your mind is all you can do our your a conservative nowadays. the policies they've spoke on for decades have been implemented and have failed. they seriously do not have shit except demagoguery so while I feel for him for him for being a victim of ericksons bs, he joined a party that does this to damn near everyone else so fuck him.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 04, 2013, 05:30:52 PM

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In focus groups in January, the report said, young voters were asked to list leaders of the Democratic Party. "They named prominent former or currently elected officials: Pelosi, the Clintons, Obama, Kennedy, Gore. When those same respondents were asked to name Republican leaders, they focused heavily on media personalities and commentators: Bill O'Reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck."

Good jon, GOP.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2013, 06:02:10 PM

:lol

But it's so true.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 04, 2013, 06:38:14 PM

While it's true that Republican politicians actually seem to be afraid to criticize media personalities like Rush (even with the Sandra Fluke fiasco), most young people are obviously liberal even if they don't vote so it would make sense that if they do want to listen to the opposing side, that they would choose the most entertaining and least credible sources.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2013, 12:36:06 PM

Just saw a report that Hispanics make up 50.2% of all children enrolled in Texas schools this year, an increase from 49% last year. I'd post the Ron Paul it's happening gif but I'm on my iPod. The current GOP is so fucked.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 05, 2013, 01:02:28 PM

I still believe there's a very real possibility of a hugely hispanic Texas that's still extremely conservative.  The majority I know are still extremely supportive of the GOP.  Even when it comes to immigration most of the ones I know believe the GOP will come out on their side and they always point to "Reagan's Amnesty" as historical proof.  Not to mention the religious fervor and homophobia that makes up a large part of hispanic culture.  But it's all anecdotal so who knows

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2013, 01:14:58 PM

The Texas Tea Party has a plan on how to attract minority voters:
http://www.texastribune.org/2013/06/04/gop-distances-itself-tea-party-leaders-remarks/

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The Tea Party leader was speaking at a May 20 meeting of Republicans in Dallas. In an audio recording of the remarks, distributed to news outlets Tuesday by Democrats, an activist can be heard asking Emanuelson what the party is doing to attract black voters to the GOP ticket.

“I’m going to be real honest with you,” Emanuelson responded. “The Republican Party doesn’t want black people to vote if they are going to vote 9-to-1 for Democrats.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2013, 05:50:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2013, 12:36:06 PM

Just saw a report that Hispanics make up 50.2% of all children enrolled in Texas schools this year, an increase from 49% last year. I'd post the Ron Paul it's happening gif but I'm on my iPod. The current GOP is so fucked.

(http://i.imgur.com/9RLyHgY.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 05, 2013, 07:50:27 PM

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The cabal quickly fell apart when several Republicans, after a night of prayer, said God told them to spare the speaker.

wait, this isn't an onion article ... this is real? This really happened?

I'd be deeply concerned that anyone with any power was claiming to hear messages from God...

Also - where was God on more pressing matters like, oh i dunno, recent tornados, floods, 9/11 etc? He's concerned about Boehner being ousted so much he uses the hotline to the Republicans but not when lives are in danger?

#DERPDERPLER

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 05, 2013, 08:12:20 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on June 05, 2013, 07:50:27 PM

Also - where was God on more pressing matters like, oh i dunno, recent tornados, floods, 9/11 etc? He's concerned about Boehner being ousted so much he uses the hotline to the Republicans but not when lives are in danger?

 :beli you didnt know that god was a libertarian white supremacist?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

never forget that GWB made his final decision to go to war with iraq after he took a walk and said god told him it was cool to go on and do it

[close]

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 05, 2013, 08:36:53 PM

"Thou Shall not kill.... except for filthy oil squatters"

God sounds more and more like an arsehole by the day - he needs to get his PR team motivated, all that sitting around in paradise is making them lazy. I'd start tying "time in paradise" to results , then you'd see some motivation from these so called "do gooders"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2013, 09:50:37 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on June 05, 2013, 08:12:20 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on June 05, 2013, 07:50:27 PM

Also - where was God on more pressing matters like, oh i dunno, recent tornados, floods, 9/11 etc? He's concerned about Boehner being ousted so much he uses the hotline to the Republicans but not when lives are in danger?

 :beli you didnt know that god was a libertarian white supremacist?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

never forget that GWB made his final decision to go to war with iraq after he took a walk and said god told him it was cool to go on and do it

[close]

Turned out it was just Dick Cheney in the other room with a Talkboy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anjyiO754hU).  :noah

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2013, 10:17:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlMwwdthqig

:bow

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2013, 11:32:17 PM

holy shit :rofl

He just doesn't give a shit  :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 06, 2013, 04:39:37 PM

Checked out the right wing sites that reported that Strom Thurmond joke, and wouldn't you know it? The commenters are all pissed off that Biden would speak ill of the dead. :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2013, 06:09:33 PM

The only difference is conservatives didn't give a shit when Bush was doing all this same shit.

• 54 ambassadores killed
• Using the IRS to target liberal groups
  Watching the press
  Firing judges
  Blowing the cover of a CIA agent

Can you imagine if the WH was sending talking points to a news channel?

I'm not defending Obama for any of this.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2013, 07:15:32 PM

Now maybe we can finally get rid of the PATRIOT Act.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2013, 07:32:07 PM

doubt it; we didnt get rid of the phone tapping after that bs came out

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2013, 08:59:55 PM

Quote from: Eschaton on June 06, 2013, 08:12:16 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2013, 07:15:32 PM

Now maybe we can finally get rid of the PATRIOT Act.

:heh

 :shaq2

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 06, 2013, 09:24:37 PM

:teehee

(http://i.imgur.com/7SCo8Xs.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 06, 2013, 09:29:41 PM

:whew

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 06, 2013, 09:30:14 PM

correction - twitter is still the land of the free!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2013, 10:25:49 PM

PMing this thread to the FBI

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2013, 10:28:23 PM

http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos,19753/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 08:48:22 AM

And in boring, non-scandal news:

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/economy-adds-175-000-jobs-in-may-unemployment

The Bureau of Labor Statistics announced Friday that the nonfarm payroll employment increased by 175,000 in the month of May, while the unemployment rate remained largely unchanged at 7.6 percent.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 09:16:16 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/06/07/politics/nsa-data-mining/index.html?c=tech

Interested to hear how you guys defend Obama on this one.

In before: Durp Bush mad patriot act, I don't care he's helping, and You're a fucking neocon so fuck you.

Lol, already beatn...sheep gonna sheep I suppose.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 09:18:11 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 08:48:22 AM

And in boring, non-scandal news:

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/economy-adds-175-000-jobs-in-may-unemployment

The Bureau of Labor Statistics announced Friday that the nonfarm payroll employment increased by 175,000 in the month of May, while the unemployment rate remained largely unchanged at 7.6 percent.

Super...now tell me how many people who made 55k + 5 years ago are making 30k now but being counted as gainfully employed

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2013, 09:20:28 AM

Conservatives never envisioned the 'Patriot Act' to be used on them. They are 'special'.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 09:23:33 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 07, 2013, 09:20:28 AM

Conservatives never envisioned the 'Patriot Act' to be used on them. They are 'special'.

See this is the goddamn issue. Liberals are like 5 year olds, when thry are caught with hand in the cookie jar their first response is always "but but big bro did it to so I am less guilty."

Sigh...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 09:25:19 AM

I'm glad that you're just as upset about Obama doing it now as you were about Bush starting the program 7 years ago.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2013, 09:38:08 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 09:23:33 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 07, 2013, 09:20:28 AM

Conservatives never envisioned the 'Patriot Act' to be used on them. They are 'special'.

See this is the goddamn issue. Liberals are like 5 year olds, when thry are caught with hand in the cookie jar their first response is always "but but big bro did it to so I am less guilty."

Sigh...

See this is the goddamn issue. Conservative wrongly see themselves as the 'big bro' and that it's OK when they do it. Fucking shitlords. Quit acting like it's your country and we are all just lucky you let us live here. Your entitlement needs to be reformed.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 09:45:12 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 09:25:19 AM

I'm glad that you're just as upset about Obama doing it now as you were about Bush starting the program 7 years ago.

link me to where bush was utilizing all the service providers unilaterally. I'll wait.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 09:47:21 AM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on June 07, 2013, 09:44:56 AM

Anyone who calls people sheep unironically should be shot into the fucking sun.

I'll have to be evaluated and background checked by the gubment before I can enter space sir. At the current rate of bloat and idiocy I should be approved 12 years after I die.

Ah well atleast I'll have some great IRS parties to attend in thr meantime.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 10:01:06 AM

It's interesting to see how 12 years of increased NSA observation of...well...everything is basically all unraveling at once.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 10:02:24 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 10:01:06 AM

It's interesting to see how 12 years of increased NSA observation of...well...everything is basically all unraveling at once.

Political jabs aside, I agree. I mean how long did our government think we would be okay with this?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2013, 10:04:04 AM

I guess no one else remembers Carnivore?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 10:08:13 AM

But really, there's virtually no privacy whatsoever anymore, thanks to our current digital world. If it's not the government, it's Facebook themselves, lapping up all your information and selling it to the highest bidder in the name of advertising. Dismantling this program won't change any of that, but maybe it will shed a little light on the wider problems.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 10:13:27 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 10:08:13 AM

But really, there's virtually no privacy whatsoever anymore, thanks to our current digital world. If it's not the government, it's Facebook themselves, lapping up all your information and selling it to the highest bidder in the name of advertising. Dismantling this program won't change any of that, but maybe it will shed a little light on the wider problems.

Well to be fair facebook isn't stockpiling information you didn't already offer up yourself. Invading the privacy of a personal call is much worse imo.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 10:43:16 AM

I don't think this is a matter of left v right. It seems clear to me that each president will become progressively worse than the previous one on civil liberties and gross executive power as long as the war on terror lasts. And despite what Obama says, it looks like a forever war.

Still, I sure as hell would not have guessed that Obama would be far worse on civil liberties than Bush.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 12:43:41 PM

Obama quotes:

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"When it comes to telephone calls, nobody is listening to your telephone calls. That's not what this program's about," Obama said.

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"With respect to all these programs, the relevant intelligence committees are fully briefed on these programs."

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He added: "If the intelligence community then actually wants to listen to a phone call, they have to go back to a federal judge just like they would in a criminal investigation. So I want to be very clear: some of the hype that we've hearing over the last day or so, nobody's listening to the content of peoples' phone calls."

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"This does not apply to U.S. citizens, and this does not apply to people living in the United States," Obama said in California.

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"I came in with healthy skepticism about these programs," he added. "I can say that evaluating these programs they make a difference to anticipate and prevent possible terrorist activity."

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-dismisses-hype-over-nsa-reports-nobody-is

Believe it or don't.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2013, 01:06:54 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lindsey-graham-glad-nsa-gathering-phone-records-i-know-im-not-talking-to-terrorists/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 07, 2013, 01:08:58 PM

Who makes calls anymore, though?  Doesn't everybody just fucking text each other?  I mean, my voicemail message even says, "You've reached so and so, WHY DIDN'T YOU TEXT ME???"  No one actually LIKES talking on the fucking phone.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 01:18:05 PM

You know you're doing something wrong when Lindsey Graham defends you. :'(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 07, 2013, 01:33:57 PM

Other than a couple of nutbars in the House, I doubt you'll see many elected GOP officials criticize the administration for this.  This sort of thing is a feature of what our country is now, not a bug.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 01:34:40 PM

I remember when we were howling about the patriot act and the right was all "shut the fuck up hippies" and now they mad about it but they sure as fuck won't do anything about it now.  So fuck them, fuck Obama.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2013, 01:38:26 PM

There is also a big difference between collecting meta data and warrantless wiretapping.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2013, 02:04:43 PM

Michelle Malkin: Bush's Spying OK Because He Supported 'War on Terror' (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/malkin-claims-bushs-syping-was-okay-be)

 :stahp

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2013, 02:15:39 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 07, 2013, 02:04:43 PM

Michelle Malkin: Bush's Spying OK Because He Supported 'War on Terror' (http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/heather/malkin-claims-bushs-syping-was-okay-be)

 :stahp

 :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 02:57:19 PM

Liberals dismissing civil liberty abuses, republicans crying over Patriot Act policies. Amazing.

Overall Obama handled himself well in the press conference...but the distortions were jarring. This is all ok...because congress approved it, and we all voted for our congressmen? Seriously? Interestingly he also seemed to basically admit "I thought the world should work one way when I was elected, then I saw all this shit and realized I was wrong." IE terrorist attacks stopped by surveillance abuses, civil liberty abuses, etc. But all this basically means the terrorists have won.

perfect timing for the Xbox One's always on Kinect camera tho :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.

Obama has impinged upon our freedoms several degrees worse than Bush/Cheney ever did. Deal with it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:05:00 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.

What in the fuck are you talking about :what

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:06:35 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:05:00 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.

What in the fuck are you talking about :what

your limited ability to seperate a real conservative from the religious south, for starters.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:11:55 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:06:35 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:05:00 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:00:30 PM

Why would a true republican support the patriot act? It would behove most of you to understand our core policies like "limited government involvement" before you make snarky comments that make you seem less world aware than a 7 year old.

We didn't vote on the patriot act, ladies and gentlemen, because it would have failed in a legendary manner.

What in the fuck are you talking about :what

your limited ability to seperate a real conservative from the religious south, for starters.

I was asking who the "we" was in your quote who didn't vote.  People not in power?  Fat Ron Paul fans?  You say it would have failed, but what in the fuck are you talking about?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:12:20 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:06:35 PM

a real conservative

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:15:11 PM

I like Ron Paul less than I like Obama. And I like Barry about as much as my cousin Willie who likes to steal from relatives.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:16:16 PM

Mandark put it better :'(

Real conservatives tend to pop up when discussing things endemic to both parties, but done by the Democrats

"Of course I was protesting deficit spending under Bush"
"Of course I was opposed the Patriot Act"
"Of course I'm opposed to arresting gay men in public bathrooms after I was arrested.  It's a civil rights issue!"

That sort of thing

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:18:18 PM

Blah blah blah....I don't know how to respond so I'll chuck in the ol' insult.

/snafu

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:21:56 PM

Is this going to be another thing where you pull the "I was drunk" excuse later?

Cause I'm starting to see a real pattern.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:22:41 PM

 :maf

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:21:56 PM

Is this going to be another thing where you pull the "I was drunk" excuse later?

Cause I'm starting to see a real pattern.

nope...participate or shut to fuck up, thanks.

Edit: Sarcasm....:-)

Not drunk today

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:23:42 PM

Let me rephrase that.

Are you completely sober right now?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:24:04 PM

I'm not sure how to respond.  I mean sure, there are politicians and people on the right who oppose the Patriot Act, but that's plenty of people with irrelevant views.  It's been some 12 years and you've managed to what exactly?  Let us know that Obama is doing the same thing as Bush?  You guys are doing the lords work, truly.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:25:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:24:04 PM

I'm not sure how to respond.  I mean sure, there are politicians and people on the right who oppose the Patriot Act, but that's plenty of people with irrelevant views.  It's been some 12 years and you've managed to what exactly?  Let us know that Obama is doing the same thing as Bush?  You guys are doing the lords work, truly.

So you are saying Obama has NOT dipped more into your rights than Bush? Let's start there

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:27:15 PM

Wait, are you defending Bush or not?  I thought he wasn't a true conservative.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:27:21 PM

I'm not defending Obama!  I just find it hilarious that you guys get fucking up in arms for something you've had 12 years to work on with 0 success (because you really haven't tried.  Like at all).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:28:43 PM

 ;)

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:27:21 PM

I'm not defending Obama!  I just find it hilarious that you guys get fucking up in arms for something you've had 12 years to work on with 0 success (because you really haven't tried.  Like at all).

i am not in congress, exactly how am I held to that standard?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:30:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:27:15 PM

Wait, are you defending Bush or not?  I thought he wasn't a true conservative.

More like lesser of two evils I suppose. Never liked him or daddy, Nancy was a better president.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:30:54 PM

"You" is a nebulous term for these brave TRUE CONSERVATIVES that keep being brought up whenever we remind you that your motivations seem suspect and your final aims seem to not jive with the history of the past two presidents.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:31:54 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:28:43 PM

;)

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:27:21 PM

I'm not defending Obama!  I just find it hilarious that you guys get fucking up in arms for something you've had 12 years to work on with 0 success (because you really haven't tried.  Like at all).

i am not in congress, exactly how am I held to that standard?

Well what did you do to defend civil liberties before Obama was inaugurated?  Support primary or general election challengers who would repeal the PATRIOT Act?  Join a group like the ACLU, or Conservatives For the Fourth Amendment?

Surely you at least have an online record of making surly posts towards anyone defending the Bush/Yoo policies of surveillance/detention/torture/etc.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:34:42 PM

Link me to where I have ever defended bush..

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:35:20 PM

That's not what he said

You probably are drunk.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:36:33 PM

 :lol

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:35:20 PM

That's not what he said

You probably are drunk.

Oops.....I retract that. I am just adjusted to people assuming the opposite.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:38:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:36:33 PM

Oops.....I retract that. I am just constantly berating people for what they haven't even said.

.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:44:11 PM

That too :-(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:45:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 04:44:11 PM

That too :-(

(http://health.uml.edu/thc/HealthIssues/AlcoholismFamilyEffects/the-alcoholic.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 04:46:05 PM

how about we drop the console wars-esque pretenses and agree that when any president, republican or democrat, tramples on civil liberties it's BAD

god dammit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 04:47:50 PM

On the internet?  Never :pacspit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on June 07, 2013, 04:49:16 PM

Bipartisan idiocy is the thing you have to fear the most, yeah. Not only are you getting fucked, but it also makes voting look (more) pointless.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:52:02 PM

PD, we'd reach comity a lot quicker if your boy didn't always come in swinging like some kind of freeper Saint Cornelius.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 05:01:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:52:02 PM

PD, we'd reach comity a lot quicker if your boy didn't always come in swinging like some kind of freeper Saint Cornelius.

 :holeup
My grandparents were right all along about the Jews

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try.  I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:00:06 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 04:52:02 PM

PD, we'd reach comity a lot quicker if your boy didn't always come in swinging like some kind of freeper Saint Cornelius.

Dick.....


Ok you're right.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 07, 2013, 07:16:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try.  I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

I want reparations from the English for being Irish.

Mainly, I should get reparations for being Irish I think.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 07:18:14 PM

Pffft, you'd all spend it on drink.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:20:08 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 07, 2013, 07:16:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try.  I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

I want reparations from the English for being Irish.

Mainly, I should get reparations for being Irish I think.

I'm Irish and black...wrap your noodle around my genetic clusterfuck

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 07:21:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOtls2ZvjE4

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 07:22:23 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:20:08 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 07, 2013, 07:16:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try.  I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

I want reparations from the English for being Irish.

Mainly, I should get reparations for being Irish I think.

I'm Irish and black...wrap your noodle around my genetic clusterfuck

Are you gay as well?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Because if you are you're in line for a tenured professorship

/michelle malkin

[close]

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:23:17 PM

I even bought an authentic No distinguished black fellow Irish sign just to hang behind the door in my shed.

I will say that I hope our generation(s) correct the transgression on our liberties we are seeing.

Married a colombian. I got into Michigan the kids are already assured Harvard lol.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:24:44 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try.  I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Hey man, don't blame us for that. We lost the Egyptians in the first Race Draft of the 19th century. Samuel George Morton was the David Stern of his era.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:25:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:24:44 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try.  I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Hey man, don't blame us for that. We lost the Egyptians in the first Race Draft of the 19th century. Samuel George Morton was the David Stern of his era.

Also we dress way better ;-)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:29:39 PM

Btw I am only allowed to drink like twice a month for the boss...you'll know if I am if I post a picture of Reagan as a warning. Should help you decide how to respond moving forward.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 07, 2013, 07:31:25 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:25:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:24:44 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2013, 05:04:51 PM

Nice try.  I've seen PTI, I know how "your" modifies the context.

If anyone's getting reparations here it's me, for all the unpaid labor that went into building the pyramids for your forefathers.

Hey man, don't blame us for that. We lost the Egyptians in the first Race Draft of the 19th century. Samuel George Morton was the David Stern of his era.

Also we dress way better ;-)

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-LIrLNihkm5k/TaxeixpOZkI/AAAAAAAAAGk/BAaz9NyV14o/s1600/bernard-edwards.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 07, 2013, 07:34:32 PM

Quote

(http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/craig-sager1-2-17-13.jpg)

Only 1994 Will Smith could have pulled that off.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:59:24 PM

dress worse and dance worse, never forget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ar-gLyCT4#

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 08, 2013, 09:02:33 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2013, 07:59:24 PM

dress worse and dance worse, never forget
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_ar-gLyCT4#

word...mad skilz

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb7BeUqnolE

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2013, 03:03:12 PM

The unskew poll brigade is back
http://www.nationalconfidential.com/20130608/unskewed-pollster-claiming-tie-in-ma-senate-race-claimed-romney-was-winning-in-2012-states-he-lost/#.UbOADNiLxYV

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on June 08, 2013, 03:52:05 PM

It's too bad they couldn't unskew votes the same way they unskewed polls.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 08, 2013, 04:39:16 PM

Dunno about you guys, but I'm a big fan of the skewed polls mentality staying strong on the right. Let those fucks lull themselves into a false sense of security. It'll be all the sweeter when reality eventually hits them.


Btw, PD. How long are you banned for this time?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2013, 05:59:56 PM

Until the 14th. I must say, I was dumb. That's two bans within what, 30 days? And before then, I hadn't been banned in almost two years.

I guess Japanese porn stars are mod waifu material and Serious Business.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2013, 09:32:21 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 08, 2013, 04:39:16 PM

Dunno about you guys, but I'm a big fan of the skewed polls mentality staying strong on the right. Let those fucks lull themselves into a false sense of security. It'll be all the sweeter when reality eventually hits them.


Btw, PD. How long are you banned for this time?

Remember how after the election when they faced the reality of, "shit, maybe more than half the country really DOESN'T want what we want, what do we do?" for like, three days before going back to head up their ass mode?  Good times, good times.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2013, 10:24:13 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 08, 2013, 09:32:21 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 08, 2013, 04:39:16 PM

Dunno about you guys, but I'm a big fan of the skewed polls mentality staying strong on the right. Let those fucks lull themselves into a false sense of security. It'll be all the sweeter when reality eventually hits them.


Btw, PD. How long are you banned for this time?

Remember how after the election when they faced the reality of, "shit, maybe more than half the country really DOESN'T want what we want, what do we do?" for like, three days before going back to head up their ass mode?  Good times, good times.

Republican outreach :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2013, 10:51:54 PM

Thoughts on the recent NSA stuff from David Simon [creator of The Wire]:

Quote from: http://davidsimon.com/we-are-shocked-shocked/

Is it just me or does the entire news media — as well as all the agitators and self-righteous bloviators on both sides of the aisle — not understand even the rudiments of electronic intercepts and the manner in which law enforcement actually uses such intercepts? It would seem so.

Because the national eruption over the rather inevitable and understandable collection of all raw data involving telephonic and internet traffic by Americans would suggest that much of our political commentariat, many of our news gatherers and a lot of average folk are entirely without a clue.

You would think that the government was listening in to the secrets of 200 million Americans from the reaction and the hyperbole being tossed about. And you would think that rather than a legal court order which is an inevitable consequence of legislation that we drafted and passed, something illegal had been discovered to the government’s shame.

Nope. Nothing of the kind. Though apparently, the U.K.’s Guardian, which broke this faux-scandal, is unrelenting in its desire to scale the heights of self-congratulatory hyperbole. Consider this from Glenn Greenwald, the author of the piece: “What this court order does that makes it so striking is that it’s not directed at any individual…it’s collecting the phone records of every single customer of Verizon business and finding out every single call they’ve made…it’s indiscriminate and it’s sweeping.”

Having labored as a police reporter in the days before the Patriot Act, I can assure all there has always been a stage before the wiretap, a preliminary process involving the capture, retention and analysis of raw data. It has been so for decades now in this country. The only thing new here, from a legal standpoint, is the scale on which the FBI and NSA are apparently attempting to cull anti-terrorism leads from that data. But the legal and moral principles? Same old stuff.

Allow for a comparable example, dating to the early 1980s in a place called Baltimore, Maryland.

There, city detectives once began to suspect that major traffickers were using a combination of public pay phones and digital pagers to communicate their business. And they took their suspicions to a judge and obtained court orders — not to monitor any particular suspect, but to instead cull the dialed numbers from the thousands and thousands of calls made to and from certain city pay phones.

Think about it. There is certainly a public expectation of privacy when you pick up a pay phone on the streets of Baltimore, is there not? And certainly, the detectives knew that many, many Baltimoreans were using those pay phones for legitimate telephonic communication. Yet, a city judge had no problem allowing them to place dialed-number recorders on as many pay phones as they felt the need to monitor, knowing that every single number dialed to or from those phones would be captured. So authorized, detectives gleaned the numbers of digital pagers and they began monitoring the incoming digitized numbers on those pagers — even though they had yet to learn to whom those pagers belonged. The judges were okay with that, too, and signed another order allowing the suspect pagers to be “cloned” by detectives, even though in some cases the suspect in possession of the pager was not yet positively identified.

All of that — even in the less fevered, pre-Patriot Act days of yore — was entirely legal. Why?

Because they aren’t listening to the calls.

It’s at that point, people, that law enforcement requires a full-throated argument of probable cause. It’s at that point that privacy rights must be seriously measured against the legitimate investigate needs of law enforcement. And it’s at that point that the potential for authoritarian overreach becomes significant.

I know it’s big and scary that the government wants a data base of all phone calls. And it’s scary that they’re paying attention to the internet. And it’s scary that your cell phones have GPS installed. And it’s scary, too, that the little box that lets you go through the short toll lane on I-95 lets someone, somewhere know that you are on the move. Privacy is in decline around the world, largely because technology and big data have matured to the point where it is easy to create a net that monitors many daily interactions. Sometimes the data is valuable for commerce — witness those facebook ads for Italian shoes that my wife must endure — and sometimes for law enforcement and national security. But be honest, most of us are grudging participants in this dynamic. We want the cell phones. We like the internet. We don’t want to sit in the slow lane at the Harbor Tunnel toll plaza.

The question is not should the resulting data exist. It does. And it forever will, to a greater and greater extent. And therefore, the present-day question can’t seriously be this: Should law enforcement in the legitimate pursuit of criminal activity pretend that such data does not exist. The question is more fundamental: Is government accessing the data for the legitimate public safety needs of the society, or are they accessing it in ways that abuse individual liberties and violate personal privacy — and in a manner that is unsupervised.

And to that, the Guardian and those who are wailing jeremiads about this pretend-discovery of U.S. big data collection are noticeably silent. We don’t know of any actual abuse. No known illegal wiretaps, no indications of FISA-court approved intercepts of innocent Americans that occurred because weak probable cause was acceptable. Mark you, that stuff may be happening. As is the case with all law enforcement capability, it will certainly happen at some point, if it hasn’t already. Any data asset that can be properly and legally invoked, can also be misused — particularly without careful oversight. But that of course has always been the case with electronic surveillance of any kind.

Keep in mind that the FISA court was created as a means of having some definitive oversight into a world that previously had been entirely unregulated, and wiretapping abuses by the U.S. executive branch and by law enforcement agencies were in fact the raison d’etre for the creation of FISA and a federal panel of judges to review national security requests for electronic surveillance. Is it perfect? Of course not. Is it problematic that the court’s rulings are not public? Surely.

But the fact remains that for at least the last two presidential administrations, this kind of data collection has been a baseline logic of an American anti-terrorism effort that is effectively asked to find the needles before they are planted into haystacks, to prevent even such modest, grass-rooted conspiracies as the Boston Marathon Bombing before they occur.

So think for a minute about a scenario in which, say, a phone number is identified overseas as being linked to terror activity. It is so identified by, say, NSA overseas intercepts or through intelligence gathering by the CIA or the military. And say that there exists a database of billions and billions of telephonic contacts in the United States over a period of months or years. And say a computer could then run the suspect number through that data base and determine a pattern of communication between that overseas phone and several individuals in New York, or Boston, or Detroit. Would you want that connection to be made and made quickly? Or do you want to leave law enforcement to begin trying to acquire the call history on that initial phone from overseas carriers who may or may not maintain detailed retroactive call data or be unwilling to even provide that data fully to American law enforcement or do so while revealing the investigative effort to the targets themselves?

Keep in mind that law enforcement must still establish probable cause to then begin to actually monitor conversations on the domestic numbers, and that this request for electronic surveillance is then, of course, subject to judicial review by the FISA court.

Yes, I can hear the panicked libertarians and liberals and Obama-haters wailing in rare unison: But what about all the innocent Americans caught up in this voracious, overreaching dragnet? To which the answer is obvious if you think about the scale of this: What dragnet?

Your son’s devotional calls to 1-800-BEATOFF? Your daughter’s call from the STD clinic? Your brother-in-law calling you from his office at Goldman with that whispered insider-tip on that biomed stock? Is that what you’re worried about?

Take a deep breath and think:

When the government grabs the raw data from hundreds or thousands of phone calls, they’re probably going to examine those calls. They’re going to look to establish a pattern of behavior to justify more investigation and ultimately, if they can, elevate their surveillance to actual monitoring of conversations. Sure enough.

When the government grabs every single fucking telephone call made from the United States over a period of months and years, it is not a prelude to monitoring anything in particular. Why not? Because that is tens of billions of phone calls and for the love of god, how many agents do you think the FBI has? How many computer-runs do you think the NSA can do? When the government asks for something, it is notable to wonder what they are seeking and for what purpose. When they ask for everything, it is not for specific snooping or violations of civil rights, but rather a data base that is being maintained as an investigative tool.

There are reasons to object to governmental overreach in the name of law enforcement and anti-terrorism. And it is certainly problematic that our national security apparatus demands a judicial review of our law enforcement activity behind closed doors, but again, FISA is a basic improvement on the preceding vacuum it replaced. Certainly — and I find myself in rare agreement with the Rand Pauls of the world on this one — we might be more incensed at the notion of an American executive branch firing missles at U.S. citizens and killing them without the benefit of even an in absentia legal proceeding. Or ashamed at a racially-targeted sentencing guideline that subjects rock cocaine users to seventeen times the penalty of powdered-cocaine users? Or aghast at a civil forfeiture logic that allows government to seize private property and then requires citizens to prove a negative — that it was not purchased with money from ill-gotten gains.

There is a lot of authoritarian overreach in American society, both from the drug war and the war on terror.

But those planes really did hit those buildings. And that bomb did indeed blow up at the finish line of the Boston marathon. And we really are in a continuing, low-intensity, high-risk conflict with a diffuse, committed and ideologically-motivated enemy. And for a moment, just imagine how much bloviating would be wafting across our political spectrum if, in the wake of an incident of domestic terrorism, an American president and his administration had failed to take full advantage of the existing telephonic data to do what is possible to find those needles in the haystacks. After all, we as a people, through our elected representatives, drafted and passed FISA and the Patriot Act and what has been done here, with Verizon and assuredly with other carriers, is possible under that legislation. Indeed, one Republican author of the law, who was quoted as saying he didn’t think the Patriot Act would be so used, has, in this frantic little moment of national overstatement, revealed himself to be either a political coward or an incompetent legislator. He asked for this. We asked for this. We did so because we measured the reach and possible overreach of law enforcement against the risks of terrorism and made a conscious choice.

Frankly, I’m a bit amazed that the NSA and FBI have their shit together enough to be consistently doing what they should be doing with the vast big-data stream of electronic communication. For us, now — years into this war-footing and this legal dynamic — to loudly proclaim our indignation at the maintenance of an essential and comprehensive investigative database while at the same time insisting on a proactive response to the inevitable attempts at terrorism is as childish as it is obtuse. We want cake, we want to eat it, and we want to stay skinny and never puke up a thing. Of course we do.

When the Guardian, or the Washington Post or the New York Times editorial board — which displayed an astonishing ignorance of the realities of modern electronic surveillance in its quick, shallow wade into this non-controversy — are able to cite the misuse of the data for reasons other than the interception of terrorist communication, or to show that Americans actually had their communications monitored without sufficient probable cause and judicial review and approval of that monitoring, then we will have ourselves a nice, workable scandal. It can certainly happen, and given that the tension between national security and privacy is certain and constant, it probably will happen at points. And in fairness, having the FISA courts rulings so hidden from citizen review, makes even the discovery of such misuse problematic. The internal review of that court’s rulings needs to be somehow aggressive and independent, while still preserving national security secrets. That’s very tricky.

But this? Please. This is bullshit.

In Baltimore thirty years ago, after the detectives figured out which pay phones were dialing pagers, and then did all the requisite background checks and surveillance to identify the drug suspects, they finally went to a judge and asked for a wiretap on several pay phones. The judge looked at the police work and said, okay, you can record calls off those public pay phones, but only if you have someone watching the phones to ensure that your suspects are making the calls and not ordinary citizens. And if you make a mistake and record a non-drug-involved call, you will of course “minimize” the call and cease recording.

It was at that point — and not at the earlier stage of gathering thousands and thousands of dialed numbers and times of call — that the greatest balance was sought between investigative need and privacy rights. And in Baltimore, that wiretap case was made and the defendants caught and convicted, the case upheld on appeal. Here, too, the Verizon data corresponds to the sheets and sheets of printouts of calls from the Baltimore pay phones, obtainable with a court order and without any demonstration of probable cause against any specific individual. To get that far as a law-abiding investigator, you didn’t need to know a target, only that the electronic medium is being used for telephonic communication that is both illegal and legal. It’s at the point of actually identifying specific targets and then seeking to listen to the conversations of those targets that the rubber really hits the road.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 08, 2013, 11:05:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/pDBxIeW.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2013, 11:46:37 PM

Read it.  It's fucking terrific.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2013, 11:53:40 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on June 08, 2013, 11:05:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/pDBxIeW.jpg)

tl;dr version: "Collection of telephone record meta data has been going on for decades and is a vital tool for law enforcement. Most of the people who are screaming about this don't even understand what they're talking about."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 09, 2013, 01:20:32 AM

David Simon is very unlikely to be running damage control for the government.  I'd wager that if he has skin in this game its only insofar as he'd rather people know what it is they should actually be pissed about.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2013, 01:31:10 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on June 09, 2013, 01:20:32 AM

David Simon is very unlikely to be running damage control for the government.  I'd wager that if he has skin in this game its only insofar as he'd rather people know what it is they should actually be pissed about.

Nah, he's a supporter. Great writing but his content is bullshit when you know his actual standing.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2013, 01:41:09 AM

He's also called Obama "very disappointing" on immigration policies, and pretty vocally opposes the drug war that Obama and Holder have continued.

It's almost as if someone can vote for a politician in the context of a particular election, but still retain the capacity for independent thought!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2013, 01:54:02 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2013, 01:41:09 AM

He's also called Obama "very disappointing" on immigration policies, and pretty vocally opposes the drug war that Obama and Holder have continued.

It's almost as if someone can vote for a politician in the context of a particular election, but still retain the capacity for independent thought!

I'm pretty sure that's not right, Mandark. By voting for someone, you are saying that you 100% agree with that person and you must defend everything they do, otherwise you're a hypocrite.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2013, 02:16:19 AM

So anyways it's a pretty good piece, and probably a needed corrective for the recent freakout that happened when journalists realized they'd be subject to the same monitoring as everyone else.  Plus I'm a sucker for the "shut up everyone, I've actually been paying attention for more than five minutes" type of crotchety opinion piece.  I'm more worried than he seems to be, though.

Here's the key part for me:

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The question is more fundamental: Is government accessing the data for the legitimate public safety needs of the society, or are they accessing it in ways that abuse individual liberties and violate personal privacy — and in a manner that is unsupervised.

And to that, the Guardian and those who are wailing jeremiads about this pretend-discovery of U.S. big data collection are noticeably silent. We don’t know of any actual abuse. No known illegal wiretaps, no indications of FISA-court approved intercepts of innocent Americans that occurred because weak probable cause was acceptable. Mark you, that stuff may be happening. As is the case with all law enforcement capability, it will certainly happen at some point, if it hasn’t already. Any data asset that can be properly and legally invoked, can also be misused — particularly without careful oversight. But that of course has always been the case with electronic surveillance of any kind.

Keep in mind that the FISA court was created as a means of having some definitive oversight into a world that previously had been entirely unregulated, and wiretapping abuses by the U.S. executive branch and by law enforcement agencies were in fact the raison d’etre for the creation of FISA and a federal panel of judges to review national security requests for electronic surveillance. Is it perfect? Of course not. Is it problematic that the court’s rulings are not public? Surely.

But the fact remains that for at least the last two presidential administrations, this kind of data collection has been a baseline logic of an American anti-terrorism effort that is effectively asked to find the needles before they are planted into haystacks, to prevent even such modest, grass-rooted conspiracies as the Boston Marathon Bombing before they occur.

Simon's arguing that the program isn't the Big Brother that it's been painted as because 1) it is collecting records of calls rather than their content, 2) judicial precedent has established a higher standard of evidence for actually listening in, and 3) FISA provides a pretty explicit statutory constraint specifically for federal agencies that want to monitor electronic communication, even if it's not perfect.


The problem is that I don't necessarily trust that the FBI/NSA will always abide by those constraints.  Yeah yeah, slippery slope.  But within the last decade we had an administration that basically ignored FISA and implemented wiretaps without any warrants, justifying it with some very specious legal arguments about the AUMF, if I'm remembering this right.

Basically the federal government has a long, shitty record when it comes to wiretaps, especially when national security issues get tangled up with domestic law enforcement.  Thanks to John Yoo and buddies, we can't just chalk it all up to decades-old Cold War nuttiness.  Plus the political incentives are all against civil liberties.  Plus the Fourth Amendment's generally been taking a beating in the courts.  Plus there's a massive lack of oversight or transparency, abetted by a public and a Congress who really don't want to actually sort this out explicitly.  Plus I'm pretty sure there have been zero prosecutions for FISA violations that took place under Bush.

I can believe the program is generally behaving as it should right now, but I think this is an area where you don't just need a law keeping it in check, but assurances that there's a pretty robust implementation of that law to avoid backsliding.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2013, 02:19:12 AM

tl;dr  They might not be doing anything improper right now, but do they really have the safeguards to ensure that doesn't change?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 09, 2013, 02:42:56 AM

fuck no

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 10:00:38 AM

Given the government's record of harassing civil rights, unions, and other dissidents including with illegal survellience I can't cosign this shit. They may be running it decently now but there's no guarantee that will be the norm. Especially as each president becomes worse on civil liberties.

David Simon has never feared leaving the democrat plantation, to use the parlance of our times, so his semi support of this is noteworthy. He's not some slappy and has criticized Obama before.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 09, 2013, 02:27:47 PM

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May 2004: After Rep. John Murtha (D-PA) said "the direction [in Iraq] has got be changed or it is unwinnable," Rep. Michael Burgess (R-TX) said Democrats are "basically giving aid and comfort to the enemy." Similarly, when House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called President Bush an "incompetent leader," House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX) said Pelosi "apparently is so caught up in partisan hatred for President Bush that her words are putting American lives at risk."

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September 2004: As John Kerry steps up his criticism of the Bush administration's handling of Iraq and the war on terror, Republicans repeatedly suggest that he is emboldening the enemy. Senator Zell Miller (D-GA) says that "while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our Commander in Chief." President Bush says, "You can embolden an enemy by sending a mixed message... You send the wrong message to our troops by sending mixed messages." And Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) claims that terrorists "are going to throw everything they can between now and the election to try and elect Kerry," adding that Democrats are "consistently saying things that I think undermine our young men and women who are serving over there."

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November/December 2005: With critics of the war in Iraq growing increasingly vocal, Republicans lash out, suggesting that Democrats are encouraging the enemy and want to surrender to terrorists. President Bush says that "These baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will." Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) states that "Many on the Democratic side have revealed their exit strategy: surrender" and Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY) says that "[T]he liberal leadership have put politics ahead of sound fiscal and national security policy. And what they have done is cooperated with our enemies and are emboldening our enemies."

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Appearing on "Meet the Press," Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee said that "I think that's a dangerous position to take, to oppose a sitting commander in chief while we've got people being shot at on the ground. I think it's one thing to have a debate and a discussion about this strategy, but to openly oppose, in essence, the strategy, I think that can be a very risky thing for our troops."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2013, 02:47:56 PM

Shocking! :o

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2013, 03:18:23 PM

ID of NSA whistleblower revealed

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/09/edward-snowden-nsa-whistleblower-surveillance?CMP=twt_gu

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2013, 03:29:07 PM

yourealreadydead.jpg

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 09, 2013, 04:59:20 PM

did i miss something? my twitter feed is all shitted up with liberals going in on the nsa leaker dude, and the only reason ive been able to pick out so far is because he complained about usa's spying destroying democracy and then ran off to china. oh and that he killed our freedoms by leaking this even tho yesterday everyone was saying the program wasnt really that big a deal and that we were already doing this and yadda yadda. what is going on?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 05:56:47 PM

My twitter feed is the same. It's basically

1) the leaker donated to Ron Paul
2) Glen Greenwald is a racist who supported the Patriot Act, illegal taped a hate crime victim's testimony

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 09, 2013, 06:06:40 PM

so basically its a bunch of people i normally like going off the rails for obama in an extended version of "NO U"

time to log off the internet

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 06:17:43 PM

Obama's shredding of civil liberties is going to be a major part of his legacy, from a historical perspective. I think it's clear there will be one side that focuses entirely on legislative achievements and economic growth; I really think the ACA will eventually be viewed similarly to Medicare and Social Security, two programs that started relatively small before becoming what they are today. Barring future interventions, I'd imagine that side will also note he didn't start any wars. But there will be another side that points out the shadow the whistle blowing crack down and civil liberty abuses cast over everything.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2013, 06:20:44 PM

It would be a major negative part of his legacy assuming that one day there's a major corrective swing in the other direction, which is not an assumption I'm ready to make.  One thing I've learned in the past 12 years is that people really don't give a shit about civil liberties enough to stop this nonsense from happening. 

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 09, 2013, 06:34:04 PM

yeah i think the major "negative" part of his legacy will be "OMG BLACK MAN." i think the civil liberties stuff will be only be brought up in scholarly debates and occasionally in "obama did it too!" internet arguments

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2013, 07:15:05 PM

Does explain Obama phones though...eh...dipshits?

ZombieRon.jpg

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 07:20:46 PM

Shouldn't they be called W Bush phones since, you know, that's a very old welfare benefit.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2013, 07:30:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 07:20:46 PM

Shouldn't they be called W Bush phones since, you know, that's a very old welfare benefit.

Stop going all Dikembe on my well placed sarcasm damnit.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2013, 07:35:08 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2013, 07:30:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 07:20:46 PM

Shouldn't they be called W Bush phones since, you know, that's a very old welfare benefit.

Stop going all Dikembe on my well placed sarcasm damnit.

http://www.casualhoya.com/2011/9/16/2429354/the-legend-of-who-wants-to-sex-dikembe

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 09, 2013, 07:37:26 PM

A better question is who doesn't?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 09, 2013, 09:29:30 PM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22837221

So the airport in Kabul is shut down and there are reports of gunfire and explosions, yet none of the American channels are talking about it.

Shocking, I know.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2013, 10:46:55 PM

I sure hope they're careful with our oil over there.

Wait.  Shit.  Wrong country.

I sure hope they're careful with our opium over there...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2013, 10:52:27 PM

Afghanistan is going to be such a hellhole the minute we leave. Well it's a hellhole right now, but it'll be even worse next year.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 09, 2013, 11:25:43 PM

We should just start building a 25 foot wall around the border of the country, and whenever a local asks why just be all like "NOTHING!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2013, 11:53:30 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 09, 2013, 11:25:43 PM

We should just start building a 25 foot wall around the border of the country, and whenever a local asks why just be all like "NOTHING!"

Isn't that pretty much how Bin Laden kept hidden all those years?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 10, 2013, 12:14:58 AM

QUIET YOU

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2013, 01:22:16 AM

PD, clean your inbox! :punch

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 01:26:30 AM

My bad

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2013, 02:12:25 AM

Oh, another reason to be skeeved about the program that I missed before.  While examining the contents of billions of calls/e-mails/texts might be daunting right now, it won't at some point in the future.  Post-9/11 there was an urgent push to get in place some automated system that could sift through millions of intercepted messages in Pashto and flag likely AQ/Taliban communications, and digital reading is getting more sophisticated in general.

It's very possible at some point the government could get the capability to have an automated system go through the communications themselves, having humans only deal with the ones flagged for probable cause by the algorithm.  Now that's probably illegal according to FISA and current law, but all it would take is some next-generation John Yoo writing an opinion for the Justice Department that running a call through a program doesn't constitute a "search" and then you're in business.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 12:25:15 PM

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The conservative activist who gained a following during last year's campaign for his efforts to "unskew" polls has a theory on why his predictions for the election were so wildly off the mark, writing late last month that his analysis was incomplete because he did not consider the purported voter fraud and voter suppression efforts that he claimed were integral to President Barack Obama's victory.

Dean Chambers, the founder of UnSkewedPolls.com, wrote in a piece on Examiner.com that the "Obama Regime definitely won the election" by suppressing votes from would-be supporters of Mitt Romney and committing "massive voter fraud in the key swing states" – although he offered no evidence for either claim.

"I was only wrong in those projections because I was not aware nor did I calculate in the voter fraud and the voter suppression, both of which exceeded the margin by which Barack Obama was declared the winner of that election last Fall," Chambers wrote.

It wasn't the first time Chambers floated such a theory. Shortly after last year's election, he launched a new website — BarackOFraudo.com — in which he alleged that the President did not legitimately carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida. That website included a map (shown below) with the disputed states colored black.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/unskewed-polls-founder-i-was-only-wrong-because

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 10, 2013, 01:51:56 PM

let's leave the post election blubbering to the pro's like Edwards....

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 10, 2013, 02:22:45 PM

Pros? It's much more entertaining watching the Cons whitewash the whole thing. Gotta keep up dat fairytale.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 10, 2013, 04:21:47 PM

The NSA whistleblower looks like a friend of mine.  Like exactly.  Since he's a software developer some people even messaged him to see if it was him.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 05:07:25 PM

I'd make a joke like "so now the government is reading their emails/phone calls lol" but the government is already reading everyone's emails/phone calls

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2013, 06:54:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 12:25:15 PM

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The conservative activist who gained a following during last year's campaign for his efforts to "unskew" polls has a theory on why his predictions for the election were so wildly off the mark, writing late last month that his analysis was incomplete because he did not consider the purported voter fraud and voter suppression efforts that he claimed were integral to President Barack Obama's victory.

Dean Chambers, the founder of UnSkewedPolls.com, wrote in a piece on Examiner.com that the "Obama Regime definitely won the election" by suppressing votes from would-be supporters of Mitt Romney and committing "massive voter fraud in the key swing states" – although he offered no evidence for either claim.

"I was only wrong in those projections because I was not aware nor did I calculate in the voter fraud and the voter suppression, both of which exceeded the margin by which Barack Obama was declared the winner of that election last Fall," Chambers wrote.

It wasn't the first time Chambers floated such a theory. Shortly after last year's election, he launched a new website — BarackOFraudo.com — in which he alleged that the President did not legitimately carry Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Florida. That website included a map (shown below) with the disputed states colored black.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/unskewed-polls-founder-i-was-only-wrong-because

:dead

Okay, the voter fraud thing I get, but how did Obama "suppress" Romney voters?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 10, 2013, 06:56:30 PM

White people don't like going places where there's lots of black people, duh.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 07:07:29 PM

"voter suppression"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X98yF6bgWBs

You heard it right. He suppressed the vote by convincing people not to vote for Mitt Romney.  :dead

It's like saving the Ravens stole the Superbowl from the 49ers by playing defense/stopping the 49ers from scoring enough.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2013, 09:35:08 PM

Well that solves that mystery.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2013, 09:44:17 PM

snowden is missing

i fucking called it!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 10, 2013, 09:52:33 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 10, 2013, 09:44:17 PM

snowden is missing

i fucking called it!

Snowden didn't count on Batman not giving a shit about jurisdiction.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 11:42:40 PM

Dude is a dumbass for hiding in Hong Kong. The Chinese government was going to give him up no matter what.

TBH I think Greenwald knew this would happen, and it ultimately helps his story if Snowden gets arrested/hit with 10 years or more. Dude should have tried to get to Sweden or something BEFORE revealing identities.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 10, 2013, 11:51:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 11:42:40 PM

Dude is a dumbass for hiding in Hong Kong. The Chinese government was going to give him up no matter what.

TBH I think Greenwald knew this would happen, and it ultimately helps his story if Snowden gets arrested/hit with 10 years or more. Dude should have tried to get to Sweden or something BEFORE revealing identities.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eg2G_aoHCso

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 10, 2013, 11:55:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2013, 11:42:40 PM

Dude is a dumbass for hiding in Hong Kong. The Chinese government was going to give him up no matter what.

TBH I think Greenwald knew this would happen, and it ultimately helps his story if Snowden gets arrested/hit with 10 years or more. Dude should have tried to get to Sweden or something BEFORE revealing identities.

Indeed.  I guess there was a reason why he was a tech guy and not an intelligence officer. :smug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2013, 11:17:35 AM

From The Daily Banter:

Quote from: http://thedailybanter.com/2013/06/nsa-story-falling-apart-under-scrutiny-key-facts-turning-out-to-be-inaccurate/

9. By the end of the day Friday, Business Insider reported that the Washington Post had revised its article. The article no longer reported that the tech companies “knowingly” cooperated with PRISM. But, more importantly, the phrase “track a person’s movements and contacts over time” in the article’s lede was revised to “track foreign targets.” There’s a huge difference between the two phrases. Public outrage was almost entirely based on the idea that the NSA was spying on everyone who uses those services — broad, unrestricted access to private information (as private as social media and email is). But the revision limits the scope of the operation to international communications.

As of Saturday, Greenwald, unlike the Washington Post, hadn’t corrected or revised his reporting to reflect the new information, and, in fact, Greenwald continued to defend his reporting on Twitter. (It’s worth noting how speculative Greenwald’s article was. The following line was particularly leading: “It also opens the possibility of communications made entirely within the US being collected without warrants.” There’s no indication whatsoever that the government was gathering information without warrants.)

10. Heads, sadly, continued to explode all over the place in spite of the total de-fanging of both stories.

11. Meanwhile, TechCrunch‘s Josh Constine reported on Saturday, “[T]he NSA did not have direct access or any special instant access to data or servers at the PRISM targets, but instead had to send requests to the companies for the data.”

From ZDNet:

Quote from: http://www.zdnet.com/the-real-story-in-the-nsa-scandal-is-the-collapse-of-journalism-7000016570/

The story alleges that the NSA is “reaching deep inside the machinery of American companies that host hundreds of millions of American-held accounts on American soil.” It specifically names nine companies: Microsoft, Yahoo, Google, Facebook, PalTalk, AOL, Skype, YouTube, Apple. And the story alleges, “From inside a company's data stream the NSA is capable of pulling out anything it likes.”

Within hours after the story broke, it had been amplified by other news agencies and tech websites and had inspired expressions of outrage over this invasion of privacy. And seven of the nine companies named issued categorical denials that they knew of or participated in any such program.

And then a funny thing happened the next morning. If you followed the link to that story, you found a completely different story, nearly twice as long, with a slightly different headline. The new story wasn’t  just expanded; it had been stripped of key details, with no acknowledgment of the changes. That updated version, time-stamped at 8:51 AM on June 7, backed off from key details in the original story.

Crucially, the Post removed the “knowingly participated” language and also scrubbed a reference to the program as being “highly classified.” In addition, a detail in the opening graf that claimed the NSA could “track a person’s movements and contacts over time” was changed to read simply “track foreign targets.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 11, 2013, 11:29:54 AM

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House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) called NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden a "traitor" in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America" Tuesday.

"He's a traitor," he said. "The president outlined last week that these were important national security programs to help keep Americans safe and give us tools to fight the terrorist threat that we face."

"The disclosure of this information puts Americans at risk. It shows our adversaries what our capabilities are. And it's a giant violation of the law," he said.

Obama cracking down on whistle blowers. 'R'eal repubs want Patriot act repealed.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 12:39:36 PM

Rubio is getting savaged by the right

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In a Spanish-language interview Sunday with the network Univision, Sen. Marco Rubio, the leading Republican on the Gang of Eight comprehensive immigration reform group, made his strongest statement yet that legalization of the nation’s estimated 11 million illegal immigrants must happen before any new border security or internal enforcement measures are in place, and will in no way be conditional on any security requirements.

“Let’s be clear,” Rubio said. “Nobody is talking about preventing the legalization. The legalization is going to happen. That means the following will happen: First comes the legalization. Then come the measures to secure the border. And then comes the process of permanent residence.”

In most of his public appeals for the Gang of Eight bill, Rubio has stressed its enforcement provisions, saying that border security must come before immigrants are granted legal permanent resident status. What he has not stressed so much is the fact that the bill would legalize the 11 million almost immediately, after they have passed background checks and paid some sort of fine. That would happen before any new security measures are completed, or even begun.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/rubio-in-immigration-reform-legalization-comes-first-it-is-not-conditional/article/2531504

Pretty ballsy, after spending months focusing on the security triggers. I wonder how long he can handle the pressure before walking from the table - or whether he has gone too far to turn back.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 03:35:12 PM

With Mandela on his death bed, it seems an apt time to revisit
http://www.nationalreview.com/content/more-gloom-and-doom-derb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2013, 12:08:53 AM

Hey, National Review got rid of his ass for racist BS.  Eight years later, but still.  Also, I only think there will be riots if Mandela recovers then goes on to beat the Duke men's basketball team.


In better news, the administration has dropped efforts to limit the over-the-counter availability of Plan B contraceptives.  Took them getting slapped down by a judge multiple times.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 12, 2013, 12:28:32 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2013, 03:35:12 PM

With Mandela on his death bed, it seems an apt time to revisit
http://www.nationalreview.com/content/more-gloom-and-doom-derb

farewell, sweet momo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2013, 11:42:38 AM

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After a marathon session that lasted until nearly 4 in the morning on Thursday, the Arizona House approved a plan backed by Republican Gov. Jan Brewer to expand Medicaid under President Barack Obama's Affordable Care Act that would extend health insurance coverage to an additional 350,000 low-income Arizonans.

The 33-27 vote followed 9 hours of debate and fiery pleas by conservative Republicans who wanted to kill the expansion and break the bipartisan coalition that ultimately pushed it to victory, according to the Arizona Republic.

“I feel like I’ve been punched in the gut,” Republican Rep. Debbie Lesko told the paper. “And I feel like I’ve been betrayed.”

The bill must now pass through the Senate, which is scheduled to vote on it Thursday morning. If it passes, and Brewer signs it into law as expected, she would become the second Republican governor to push Medicaid expansion through a GOP-controlled legislature and Arizona would become the 21st state to expand Medicaid under the ACA.

The House also approved a $8.8 billion budget Thursday morning.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/brewer-scores-big-win-for-medicaid-expansion

Welp, time to give Brewer dap. I don't see how a state government can not take the funds. Even if they don't care about the health of the poor, the fact that this SAVES their state money should make it a no brainer; you no longer have to allocate money for Medicaid/welfare and can use the savings to finance a tax cut or to balance the budget.

Seems like Michigan isn't going to expand Medicaid despite Snyder wanting it. We're having a meeting at work tomorrow to determine how we'll respond if the expansion is passed; currently we don't accept Medicaid insurance.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2013, 01:31:06 PM

Small government republicans making government smaller the only way they can (http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/viewart/20130612/GPG0101/306120288/State-Senate-passes-abortion-bill-requiring-ultrasounds)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2013, 01:32:56 PM

49th-placed state in job creation

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2013, 02:35:34 PM

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Deaths exceeded births among non-Hispanic white Americans for the first time in at least a century, according to new census data, a benchmark that heralds profound demographic change.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/13/us/census-benchmark-for-white-americans-more-deaths-than-births.html?_r=0

GG whitey :rejoice

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2013, 02:41:21 PM

The grand age of whitey is coming to an end. :usacry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2013, 02:52:01 PM

[obligatory louis ck video about how it's awesome to be white post]

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2013, 02:59:31 PM

How long did Apartheid last in South Africa? We should have at least that long left.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2013, 03:15:41 PM

What's the big deal? It's not like we treat minorities as second class citizens in this country.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2013, 03:29:01 PM

Quote from: Steve King ‏@SteveKingIA

20 brazen self professed illegal aliens have just invaded my DC office. Obama's lawless order gives them de facto immunity from U.S. law.

THANKS OBAMA

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 13, 2013, 04:06:00 PM

Steve King is such a giant pussy.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 13, 2013, 04:07:10 PM

"Wait, these aren't my cleaners!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2013, 04:15:36 PM

too bad he's not running for that senate seat. the lols would be epic

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2013, 05:32:35 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2013, 03:29:01 PM

Quote from: Steve King ‏@SteveKingIA

20 brazen self professed illegal aliens have just invaded my DC office. Obama's lawless order gives them de facto immunity from U.S. law.

THANKS OBAMA

(http://i.imgur.com/HguOUWW.jpg)

It's a wonder he was able to escape those thugs with his life!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 13, 2013, 05:34:11 PM

"They were wearing gang colors!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2013, 05:44:31 PM

Sounds like Obama has made a decision on Syria, just hasn't been reported to press yet. The rebels will receive some aide though, that much is certain.

I wouldn't give them anything, and I hope to god we stay the fuck out. Whether it's a no fly zone or air strikes, I don't want any part of this shit. And John McCain should be ashamed btw. You'd think that someone who spent years of his life being tortured in an unjust/illegal/unnecessary war wouldn't spend the rest of his career trying to send soldiers to die in unjust/illegal/unnecessary wars

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 13, 2013, 06:49:21 PM

i dont get the logic in staying out. arent the rebels losing badly while the government has killed hundreds of thousands already?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 13, 2013, 07:06:23 PM

Its just a clusterfuck. We don't know who the rebels are. A large amount of Syrians support Assad. Russia is openly backing Assad. Syrias military isn't exactly the picnic Libyas was. Syria is also gigantic. Too many issues with getting involved. I didn't see the US sitting it out though. The initial "red line" comment put Obama into a corner.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2013, 07:25:16 PM

Yea, Obama has no one to blame but himself for that comment. I suppose one might argue that chemical weapons are always a "red line" for US administrations but still...Obama is the one who brought it up. And now we'll prop up another radical Islamic government whose first order of business will be to kill members of the opposite sect.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 14, 2013, 07:39:37 AM

Yep.  Obama could have toned down the rhetoric on it so that not everyone was associating "red line" with military action.  Now it's either let the international community know it was a bluff or take some half ass action to support a future regime that will most definitely despise the US.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2013, 07:05:50 PM

The real consequences of the GOP not courting minorities. (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mlb-big-league-stew/22-0-democrats-rout-republicans-annual-congressional-baseball-221557443.html)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2013, 07:49:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

 :whew

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 14, 2013, 08:05:45 PM

 :whoo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 14, 2013, 08:30:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2013, 07:49:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

 :whew

 :bow :bow2

Man, look at his face.  He's ready to just haul off and deck someone.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 14, 2013, 08:31:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2013, 07:49:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

 :whew

Dayum.

Hey, GR, since you were interested in the Rob Ford scandal earlier, have you been keeping up with it?  Shit's gotten even crazier.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2013, 08:40:25 PM

Quote from: Boogie on June 14, 2013, 08:31:26 PM

Hey, GR, since you were interested in the Rob Ford scandal earlier, have you been keeping up with it?  Shit's gotten even crazier.

Last I heard, the police arrested a ton of people at a house belonging to one of the people [read: drug dealers] photographed with the mayor and that the chief of police won't say whether the arrests are connected to the scandal [which almost certainly means that they are].

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 14, 2013, 08:44:29 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2013, 08:40:25 PM

Quote from: Boogie on June 14, 2013, 08:31:26 PM

Hey, GR, since you were interested in the Rob Ford scandal earlier, have you been keeping up with it?  Shit's gotten even crazier.

Last I heard, the police arrested a ton of people at a house belonging to one of the people [read: drug dealers] photographed with the mayor and that the chief of police won't say whether the arrests are connected to the scandal [which almost certainly means that they are].

Yes, and the reports are that the Toronto coppers were up on a long-term wiretap as a part of the project, and from that overheard these dealers talking about the Ford video even before the story broke on Gawker and in the Star.

edit:  also, it was a pretty massive takedown.  Thirty sites were hit, in Toronto, Windsor, Guelph, and Edmonton.  Half a million dollars seized, 3 million worth of drugs, and 40 guns.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2013, 09:05:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2013, 07:49:16 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

 :whew

(http://i.imgur.com/5tCZKfH.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2013, 01:00:40 PM

Quote from: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2013/06/14/dixon_road_raids_help_complete_infamous_rob_ford_photo.html

Matt Galloway, host of Metro Morning, asked: “You could have very easily exonerated [Mayor] Rob Ford ... why didn’t you do that?”

“I’m unable to answer your question without violating the terms of the law,” the chief replied.

:lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 15, 2013, 10:16:46 PM

Apparently this was unexpected.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/iranian-reformists-celebrate-as-rowhani-wins-presidency.php?ref=fpa

Doesn't necessarily mean things will change much, since the clerics and Revolutionary Guard have the actual power, but is slightly encouraging I guess.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 17, 2013, 01:07:50 AM

I actually forgot on Friday that it was election day despite waiting for it all week. In 2009, I actually waited like 4 hours at a polling station in the bay area to be able to vote. To be honest though, I have no idea what duties the Iranian president even has beyond looking like he's supposed to be the head of state.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 17, 2013, 11:09:21 AM

So, if you had Rob Ford being the first mayor of a major Canadian city to get arrested this year you... would have lost?

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/montreal-mayor-arrested-on-corruption-charges

BOOGIE EXPLAIN

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 17, 2013, 11:21:03 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 17, 2013, 11:09:21 AM

So, if you had Rob Ford being the first mayor of a major Canadian city to get arrested this year you... would have lost?

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/montreal-mayor-arrested-on-corruption-charges

BOOGIE EXPLAIN

"First"?  Ha!  Quebec mayors have been dropping like flies over the past year.  Those that aren't getting arrested are all resigning.

There's some pretty crazy corruption in Quebec, and there's a major public inquiry that's been going on for a while, and Quebec police forces have formed a joint anti-corruption squad that has been going to town for the past year or so.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 18, 2013, 09:42:30 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michael-hastings-rolling-stone-contributor-dead-at-33-20130618 (http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/michael-hastings-rolling-stone-contributor-dead-at-33-20130618)



 :'(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2013, 09:52:58 PM

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/06/18/comments-by-rep-michael-burgess-about-fetuses-masturbating-not-based-in-science-doctors-say

Presented without comment.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2013, 09:55:47 PM

If a fetus ejaculates...is that a partial birth abortion?
:ohhh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 18, 2013, 11:38:32 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/06/17/2165671/rick-scott-paid-sick-leave/?mobile=nc

Why don't the mega rich just declare war on everyone else and have done with it?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2013, 10:51:06 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on June 18, 2013, 11:38:32 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2013/06/17/2165671/rick-scott-paid-sick-leave/?mobile=nc

Why don't the mega rich just declare war on everyone else and have done with it?

You don't declare war on cockroaches, you just have the boy fetch a can of Raid when they become a nuisance.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2013, 11:12:19 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/18/the-nsa-program-and-the-law.html

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Now, I'll go a step further. For everyone running around saying that this proves that Obama is Bush and there's no difference, I point out what is obviously a rather crucial difference. At some point after 9-11, the Bush administration just started doing domestic surveillance in--what's the word here?--circumvention or violation of existing law. News of the program broke, in The New York Times and elsewhere, and eventually the Bushies had to seek changes in the law.

But those didn't happen until 2008. So, for a good six or seven years, the Bush adminstration was just doing what it wanted, under the unitary executive theory, cavalierly ignoring the law (indeed, in 2010, a federal judge found that Bush had been acting illegaly). So a law was passed, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act amendment. It passed 293-129 in the House and 69-28 in the Senate. In both houses, Republicans supported it overwhelmingly while Democrats were split about evenly. The changes were reauthorized in 2012 by similarly large majorities with similar intra-party splits.

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But as far as we know right now, the Obama administration has complied with the law. The Bush administration ignored the law. I know that some of you are going to call this Obama apologetics, but you know what? I don't care, and you're placing your own smug certainty about the alleged indistinguishable evil of systems above the facts. You should acknowledge that this is an actual factual difference, and an important one. If you want to change the law, agitate to change the law. I'd probably support some changes in the law.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2013, 11:14:17 AM

You're going to get fat if you keep eating all that spoonfed bullshit they are feeding you, man.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2013, 11:32:55 AM

:umad

It's funny you say that since all the fox nooz watchers I know are pretty fat.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2013, 12:33:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 19, 2013, 11:14:17 AM

You're going to get fat if you keep eating all that spoonfed bullshit they are feeding you, man.

You might not want to hear it, but it's a fact.

According to everything we've heard so far, the program currently operates under FISA rules for obtaining warrants.  During the Bush administration there was a practice of using wiretaps without warrants, and administration officials publicly defended the practice by arguing that in national security emergencies (defined as roughly the entire WoT) the executive's judgment got precedence over statutory law.

So in one case the issue is whether FISA is a sufficient constraint for providing transparency and limiting surveillance to appropriate cases, and in the other case the issue is whether the NSA and FBI are required to actually follow the law or whether they can just disregard FISA in the face of an ongoing national security threat.  If you want to argue that FISA's so weak in practice that the distinction is moot, you're welcome to do so.

Or you could keep acting like a dick for no apparent reason.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2013, 12:40:49 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 19, 2013, 11:32:55 AM

:umad

It's funny you say that since all the fox nooz watchers I know are pretty fat.

And living off welfare.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2013, 01:13:33 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2013, 12:40:49 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 19, 2013, 11:32:55 AM

:umad

It's funny you say that since all the fox nooz watchers I know are pretty fat.

And living off welfare.

Mostly retired or working for a garbage company. My wife's uncle, a union hating "real 'murican™"(100% Italian), has taken 3 pay cuts over the past 2 years and has seen most of his coworkers laid off. The feudal lords have cried out for protection, and by golly he will stand with his tea party brethren to protect them.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 19, 2013, 01:49:15 PM

http://www.nbc29.com/story/22627644/bassett-man-pleads-guilty-to-voter-fraud-forgery

Quote

A man from Bassett admitted to faking thousands of signatures on campaign ballots. 

In December of 2011 Newt Gingrich needed 10,000 signatures to get his name on the Virginia presidential primary ballot. Adam Ward, 28, collected more than 11,000 signatures according to prosecutors. More than 4,000 signatures could not be verified by investigators.

Tuesday night, Ward pleaded guilty to 36 counts of voter fraud and perjury in Augusta Circuit Court.

Sentencing is scheduled for December.

If the GOP hates voter fraud so much, maybe they should stop doing it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2013, 04:03:57 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/autopsy-on-gop-social-issues-is-grossly-overstated-say-gop-lawmakers.php?ref=fpa

Keep fucking that chicken, bros

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2013, 04:16:34 PM

Triple-down

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2013, 04:19:01 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 19, 2013, 04:03:57 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/autopsy-on-gop-social-issues-is-grossly-overstated-say-gop-lawmakers.php?ref=fpa

Keep fucking that chicken, bros

I was trying to click on The Onion but I accidentally clicked on TPM instead and this was the top story. It took me a minute to realize my mistake.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2013, 04:45:17 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/uPXK9Ut.png)

This isn't in response to anything specific on this page, but I feel like I might need to use it sometime in the future.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2013, 05:21:28 PM

meanwhile in Michigan

Quote

Mike Duggan bows out of Detroit mayoral race

Mike Duggan has bowed out of the Detroit mayor’s race, telling an emotional group of supporters this morning that he will not appeal his removal from the ballot in what had promised to be a tight race to the finish between Duggan and Wayne County Sheriff Benny Napoleon.

The decision throws off the trajectory of the Detroit mayoral campaign. Napoleon will be at the top of a field of 14 candidates.

...

Wayne County Circuit Judge Lita Popke last week ordered Duggan removed from the ballot, agreeing with four-time mayoral contender Tom Barrow’s legal challenge to Duggan’s residency in filing for the office. The Michigan Court of Appeals upheld the ruling Tuesday in a 2-1 decision.

Barrow argued that Duggan, who legally became a Detroit resident on April 16, 2012, was not a Detroiter for a full year, as required by city charter, when he turned in campaign signatures on April 2, 2013, to become a candidate. Duggan argued that the city’s legal filing deadline of May 14 should have been considered the date he became a candidate. Two members of the Detroit Election Commission — City Clerk Janice Winfrey and Corporation Counsel Edward Keelean — agreed, prompting Barrow to appeal to the circuit court.

http://www.freep.com/article/20130619/NEWS01/306190072/mike-duggan-mayoral-ballot-detroit

Ouch. Reminds me of how Obama won his first election, by successfully challenging the eligibility of everyone else on the ballot.

I was looking forward to seeing whether a white guy would win in Detroit, The Wire-style. Detroit is fucked regardless, but he seemed like he could be a good mayor. I've met him a couple times, nice guy.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2013, 02:35:32 AM

PD EXPLAIN

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/virginia-lt-gov-candidate-says-government-social-programs?ref=fpblg

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 20, 2013, 05:43:42 AM

Christ....I see Detroit will never change....if the mayor isn't paying for hookers withs checks or going to jail they want nothing to do with him....my friends in farmington hills and grosse point are probably laughing though as this is business as usual.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 10:55:12 AM

meanwhile in GOP minority outreach

Quote

Illinois GOP Pol Calls Black Female Candidate A ‘Street Walker’

A GOP county chairman in Illinois called a black female congressional candidate a "street walker" and the "love child" of the Democratic party -- and he was referring to a fellow Republican, The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Wednesday.

Montgomery County GOP Chairman Jim Allen emailed the website Republican News Watch with his remarks about former Miss America Erika Harold, who will challenge incumbent Rep. Rodney Davis (R-IL) in the Republican primary for Illinois' 13th congressional district.

"Rodney Davis will win and the love child of the D.N.C. will be back in Shitcago by May of 2014 working for some law firm that needs to meet their quota for minority hires," he wrote. "... Now, miss queen is being used like a street walker and her pimps are the DEMOCRAT PARTY and RINO REPUBLICANS."

Republican News Watch republished Allen's email, which was sent in response to a column about Harold's campaign launch, on its website Wednesday.

Read the full email here.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/illinois-gop-pol-calls-black-female-candidate-street?ref=fpa

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/06/miss-america-erika-harold-congress-run-cropped-proto-custom_24.jpg)
 :mouf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2013, 11:30:03 AM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ted-cruz-s-father-bribed-official-to-come

In a report Thursday on NPR about how Sen. Ted Cruz’s (R-TX) father shaped his vision on immigration, his father, Rafael Bienvenido Cruz, an immigrant from Cuba, said that while he “came to this country legally,” he basically bribed an official to get to the United States.

“A friend of the family -- a lawyer friend of my father basically bribed a Batista official to stamp my passport with an exit permit,” the elder Cruz said.

Son Ted Cruz, who is critical of the ‘Gang of 8' immigration bill, often attributes his views to his father’s emigration from Cuba: "In my opinion, if we allow those who are here illegally to be put on a path to citizenship, that is incredibly unfair to those who follow the rules."

Guess he'll have to self-deport now!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2013, 12:14:55 PM

It's totally unfair to those that paid their bribes.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 12:55:14 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 20, 2013, 02:35:32 AM

PD EXPLAIN

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/virginia-lt-gov-candidate-says-government-social-programs?ref=fpblg

There needs to be a Goodwin's Law for slavery (and the Civil Rights Movement) comparisons. I've heard so many within the last few weeks, mainly about Detroit's emergency manager.

Government dependence has something to do with it I guess*, but it seems to me that drugs, redlining, and white flight had more to do with the gradual decline of the black family. Obviously here in Michigan the decline/death of the auto industry/manufacturing also played a part, and we've seen similar results in white areas (Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc) too.

*government dependence seems more like an end result than a symptom. If jobs disappear, drugs ravage families, businesses move away...what do you have left but food stamps? I'm not saying personal responsibility doesn't play a big role too, but we're talking about cities and communities that were completely fucked up and left to die.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 20, 2013, 03:53:30 PM

http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=14164 (http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/?p=14164)

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In Pensacola, Fla., retired FBI agent Ted Gunderson tells a gathering of anti-government “Patriots” that the federal government has set up 1,000 internment camps across the country and is storing 30,000 guillotines and a half-million caskets in Atlanta. They’re there for the day the government finally declares martial law and moves in to round up or kill American dissenters, he says. “They’re going to keep track of all of us, folks,” Gunderson warns.

:obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2013, 04:07:09 PM

30,000 guillotines :lol I know these folks have a hard-on for the 18th century, but some of these distinguished tea party fellows have gone so far down the rabbit hole, they've ended up in rabbit China.

And why would they bother stockpiling a million caskets? If the day finally came when Obama is like "Fuck it, we need to kill about a million people right the fuck now!" they'd probably just toss your body in a ditch or whatever. Come on patriots, use your heads!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2013, 04:29:12 PM

500,000 caskets :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2013, 07:23:39 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2013, 04:29:12 PM

500,000 caskets :lol

That's so nice of the oppressive government to behead you and make sure you have a proper burial.
(http://i.minus.com/i5MVDIHghezik.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2013, 09:02:15 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 20, 2013, 07:23:39 PM

(http://i.minus.com/i5MVDIHghezik.gif)

:rofl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 21, 2013, 02:38:04 AM

It's a shame there aren't a load of fire arms in the US - it would have been handy to have those rather than have to create 30k guillotines....


or is this Obama creating more jobs ?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 21, 2013, 03:29:54 AM

do the guillotines need replacing after every five-ten uses or so.  30K just seems excessive, are there even thirty thousand McDonalds in this country?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 21, 2013, 06:32:22 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 21, 2013, 03:29:54 AM

do the guillotines need replacing after every five-ten uses or so.  30K just seems excessive, are there even thirty thousand McDonalds in this country?

typical wasteful gov't spending  >:(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 21, 2013, 10:17:11 AM

big guillotine has it's boot on the neck of the gov't

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2013, 10:45:25 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2013, 10:55:12 AM

meanwhile in GOP minority outreach
(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/06/miss-america-erika-harold-congress-run-cropped-proto-custom_24.jpg)
 :mouf

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/jim-allen-resigns_n_3475551.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Quote

Jim Allen stepped down from his post as Mongomery County Republican Party chairman after an email he sent about former Miss America and GOP congressional candidate Erika Harold was published by Republican News Watch. Illinois Republican Party Chairman Jack Dorgan, who called the email "offensive and inappropriate," accepted Allen's resignation on Thursday.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 10:49:17 AM

Quote from: Eric P on June 21, 2013, 10:17:11 AM

big guillotine has it's boot on the neck of the gov't

Prolly cheap chinese-made guillotines too, you can't even buy a good Made-in-America guillotine these days.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 11:25:24 AM

So basically House Democrats voted against the Farm Bill because it hurt the poor, and House Republicans voted against it because it didn't hurt the poor enough. And then Eric Cantor said this was proof that Democrats can't govern.

 :usacry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 11:26:59 AM

Cantor blames minority Democrats for majority Republicans being unable to pass a bill crafted by Republican leaders. :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 11:34:41 AM

One of the amendments added to the bill was that it would allow states to force adults receiving SNAP benefits to have a job, but of course there was no provision to help people find jobs or provide job training. If you can't find a job, you can literally just starve to death. Oh yeah, and the state gets to keep half of the money for kicking you off SNAP to do anything they want with (probably use it ban Sharia Law or something).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 12:17:35 PM

I wouldn't mind getting rid of some subsidies farmers receive.

Food stamp...no. That's a program that actually works and is run well overall. It also stimulates the economy more than giving tax cuts to the rich. And it feeds poor people.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 12:20:14 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 11:33:29 AM

Can we just call it what it was, the Welfare And Increased Debt Bill?

compassionate conservatism

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Oh wait, I forgot. It's called "libertarianism" now!

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 12:34:25 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 11:33:29 AM

Can we just call it what it was, the Welfare And Increased Debt Bill?

Alternatively:

You talking about the bill to authorize the war in Iraq or the bill to reduce taxes on the wealthy? I always get those confused!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 12:51:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 12:17:35 PM

I wouldn't mind getting rid of some subsidies farmers receive.

Food stamp...no. That's a program that actually works and is run well overall. It also stimulates the economy more than giving tax cuts to the rich. And it feeds poor people.

Fun fact, I just saw the second "I was standing in line behind a woman using food stamps and her kids had new Air Jordans and she was driving an Escalade" on Facebook this year.  I was too lazy to even point out that she was lying and a a racist.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 21, 2013, 01:05:19 PM

it's true, though. if you can eat the muffler at the dealership they'll let you buy the rest of the Escalade with food stamps

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2013, 01:10:10 PM

And hdtvs and spinner rims with their unemployment checks

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/texas-rep-says-poor-people-are-buying-king?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on June 21, 2013, 01:28:28 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 11:34:41 AM

One of the amendments added to the bill was that it would allow states to force adults receiving SNAP benefits to have a job, but of course there was no provision to help people find jobs or provide job training. If you can't find a job, you can literally just starve to death. Oh yeah, and the state gets to keep half of the money for kicking you off SNAP to do anything they want with (probably use it ban Sharia Law or something).

Look to Germany and the UK for what happens. If you don't show enough "will" or don't show up to appointments scheduled at the most inconvenient of times or dare to show up with a doctors certificate or have other valid reasons, you might just end up getting sanctioned down to nothing by the Jobcentres. And if that wasn't bad enough, there are rumours (confirmed by former employees) that there are sanction quotas. No jobs available? Tough. Go beg, filth. Can you believe these shirkers. The gall! 
Meanwhile, we're bailing out failing banks left and right and the rich pull up the ladder behind them, while the media scares what's left of the middle classes to kick downwards, lest the poors invade paradise as well. The really, really funny thing is that, in Germany at least, a lot of these divisionary policies (which ballooned the number of working poor massively) were introduced by the social democrats. The worker's party. :heh
And yet they are surprised that a) nobody votes for them any more and b) the number of people that don't vote at all continues to grow. :derp

Can you tell I'm bitter?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 02:27:14 PM

You're very bitter, and rightfully so.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 03:25:15 PM

More tax breaks for the wealthy, less food stamps for the poor!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Tristam on June 21, 2013, 06:27:29 PM

I'm pretty sure JayDubya is aware on some level that food stamps prevent millions of Americans from becoming malnourished or starving to death; on the other hand, the national debt is a Big Number that makes him vaguely uncomfortable, and when inconvenienced by something you really have to look out for numero uno.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 06:30:58 PM

Also some black people use food stamps, which is more damaging than slavery :yeshrug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 06:33:35 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 21, 2013, 01:10:10 PM

And hdtvs and spinner rims with their unemployment checks

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/texas-rep-says-poor-people-are-buying-king?ref=fpb

"Poor people are fat so I guess they can afford plenty of food, hoho! Also I don't know how food works or what things cost or how I got to be in the Congress and can someone please just kill me, kthx."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 07:58:34 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 12:51:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 12:17:35 PM

I wouldn't mind getting rid of some subsidies farmers receive.

Food stamp...no. That's a program that actually works and is run well overall. It also stimulates the economy more than giving tax cuts to the rich. And it feeds poor people.

Fun fact, I just saw the second "I was standing in line behind a woman using food stamps and her kids had new Air Jordans and she was driving an Escalade" on Facebook this year.  I was too lazy to even point out that she was lying and a a racist.

He may very well have had Jordans, but he didn't buy them with food stamps. Maybe the mom bought them after saving up money she earned, or maybe she bought them at the expense of a late rent payment. There's a general assumption among conservatives (and dumbass libertarians) that people on food stamps don't work and somehow cash them in for cars. Most people on food stamps have some type of job, they're just below the poverty line. SNAP also requires people to search for jobs, work on a secondary education, be employed, etc. Do people take advantage of programs? Sure. But overall food stamps buy what they're supposed to buy.

Which brings up an issue we debate all the time: should you be able to purchase fast food with food stamps? In a perfect world I'd say no. But I can drive through Detroit for miles without running across a single grocery store, whereas the blocks are full of fast food places. That plus the general lack of transportation access to many poor people would lead to a pretty shitty situation. Personally if I could revamp the program I'd instead focus on what types of groceries can be bought. I'd restrict sugary juices, super sugary cereals, and other unhealthy items. Obviously a person could still buy those items with their own money, I just see no point in allowing government funds to fill a kid's mouth with cavities, put them on a path towards diabetes/obesity, etc and then use government funds to treat them. Prevention seems like the best way to avoid some of this stuff.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 08:01:28 PM

The story never happened, PD.  It's the same story from 2 different people, almost verbatim and it's the same story that's been told by white folk since at least the mid-nineties.  And who wears Air Jordans and drives Cadillacs?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 08:07:19 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 08:01:28 PM

The story never happened, PD.  It's the same story from 2 different people, almost verbatim and it's the same story that's been told by white folk since at least the mid-nineties.  And who wears Air Jordans and drives Cadillacs?

But what about the strapping young bucks buying t-bone steaks with foodstamps; that really happened, right?  :-\

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 08:13:16 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 08:07:19 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 08:01:28 PM

The story never happened, PD.  It's the same story from 2 different people, almost verbatim and it's the same story that's been told by white folk since at least the mid-nineties.  And who wears Air Jordans and drives Cadillacs?

But what about the strapping young bucks buying t-bone steaks with foodstamps; that really happened, right?  :-\

Only if they were black :shh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 08:13:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 08:13:16 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 08:07:19 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 08:01:28 PM

The story never happened, PD.  It's the same story from 2 different people, almost verbatim and it's the same story that's been told by white folk since at least the mid-nineties.  And who wears Air Jordans and drives Cadillacs?

But what about the strapping young bucks buying t-bone steaks with foodstamps; that really happened, right?  :-\

Only if they were black :shh

Well, that goes without saying, right?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 08:22:41 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 21, 2013, 08:01:28 PM

The story never happened, PD.  It's the same story from 2 different people, almost verbatim and it's the same story that's been told by white folk since at least the mid-nineties.  And who wears Air Jordans and drives Cadillacs?

Ah I thought you meant a friend "saw" it, not a story of it.

welp, I guess we won't be discussing SNAP policy now  :'(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 08:32:08 PM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06/21/senate-minority-leader-mcconnell-lashes-out-at/194554

MITCH MCCONNELL: Last June I stood here and warned of a grave and growing threat to the First Amendment. That threat has not let up at all. Our ability to freely engage in civic life and organize in defense of our beliefs is still under coordinated assault from groups on the left that don't like the idea of anyone criticizing their aims. And from a White House that appears determined to shut up anybody who disagrees with it.

Now on the outside there is a well-documented effort by a number of left wing groups like Media Matters to harass and to intimidate conservatives with the goal of scaring them off the political playing field and off the airwaves as well. An internal Media Matters memo from January 2010 showed the extent to which these tactics have been turned, literally, into a science. In it, we learned of the group's plan to conduct opposition research into the lives of on-air news personalities and other key decision makers over at Fox News. And to coordinate with 100 or so partner groups to pressure the network's advertisers and shareholders to, get this, by the threat of actual boycotts, rallies, demonstrations, shame, embarrassment and other tactics on a variety of issues important to the progressive agenda.

They call themselves progressives these days. They had to make up a new name after the Reagan era because the term liberal is rather pejorative to most Americans these days. Now it's multiple databases could also be used, the memo said, to remove what it describes as chronically problematic media figures. Chronically problematic media figures. Or to preempt programming all together.

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 08:39:05 PM

wait, what is unconstitutional about food stamps?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 21, 2013, 08:39:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 08:32:08 PM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/06/21/senate-minority-leader-mcconnell-lashes-out-at/194554

MITCH MCCONNELL: Last June I stood here and warned of a grave and growing threat to the First Amendment. That threat has not let up at all. Our ability to freely engage in civic life and organize in defense of our beliefs is still under coordinated assault from groups on the left that don't like the idea of anyone criticizing their aims. And from a White House that appears determined to shut up anybody who disagrees with it.

Now on the outside there is a well-documented effort by a number of left wing groups like Media Matters to harass and to intimidate conservatives with the goal of scaring them off the political playing field and off the airwaves as well. An internal Media Matters memo from January 2010 showed the extent to which these tactics have been turned, literally, into a science. In it, we learned of the group's plan to conduct opposition research into the lives of on-air news personalities and other key decision makers over at Fox News. And to coordinate with 100 or so partner groups to pressure the network's advertisers and shareholders to, get this, by the threat of actual boycotts, rallies, demonstrations, shame, embarrassment and other tactics on a variety of issues important to the progressive agenda.

They call themselves progressives these days. They had to make up a new name after the Reagan era because the term liberal is rather pejorative to most Americans these days. Now it's multiple databases could also be used, the memo said, to remove what it describes as chronically problematic media figures. Chronically problematic media figures. Or to preempt programming all together.

:heh

??? But Fox News is fair and balanced, not right wing. wtf mitch

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 21, 2013, 08:40:42 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 08:34:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 12:20:14 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 11:33:29 AM

Can we just call it what it was, the Welfare And Increased Debt Bill?

compassionate conservatism

At some point you'd think you would have realized that was George W. Bush code for "I'm going to spend like a leftist," and then he did, hugely increasing domestic and foreign social spending.

Quote from: Tristam on June 21, 2013, 06:27:29 PM

I'm pretty sure JayDubya is aware on some level that food stamps...

Are an unconstitutional and unconscionable waste of taxpayer dollars performing a task best left to charities like food banks?  Because I couldn't "be aware" of anything else, what with it being false and all.

What was the last Republican president that did not "govern like a leftist?" Coolidge?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 08:46:42 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 08:42:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 08:39:05 PM

wait, what is unconstitutional about food stamps?

Show me "food stamps" in Article I, Section 8.

:rofl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 21, 2013, 08:48:13 PM

And what the fuck was Jefferson doing buying the Louisiana territory? History has shown that he was a Marxist all along.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 08:53:42 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 08:42:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 08:39:05 PM

wait, what is unconstitutional about food stamps?

Show me "food stamps" in Article I, Section 8.

For that matter, show me "crop insurance" or "fixing the price of milk."

Show me "presumption of innocence."  :smug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 21, 2013, 08:55:54 PM

Or black people as 5/5ths of a person

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 08:58:25 PM

show me the Emancipation Proclamation in the Constitution.
 :paul

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 09:00:44 PM

I think it's more "teach a man to fish and he'll have a hobby, but teach him a glib proverb and he'll have lame analogies for life!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 09:01:04 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 08:56:16 PM

re: "hurt the poor"

So the lesson here is "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day.  Give him a fish every day and he'll hate you and pretend you're hurting him and you're evil when you still want to give him some fish tomorrow, just not an entire fish."

No, the lesson here is that Republicans would like to end all benefits for the poor in favor of tax cuts for the rich, with food stamp cuts in the farm bill being step #1,102 of a long walk.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 09:02:08 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 09:00:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 08:58:25 PM

show me the Emancipation Proclamation

I'm sorry, I don't listen to hip hop.

This week's episode of White Guy Thinks He's Being Clever But In Actuality...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 09:07:01 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 09:05:52 PM

South Park reference,

What is this, 2003? Get outta here.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 09:11:21 PM

I thought it was a Lemony Snickets reference. In hindsight I will rescind the "like" I gave your post.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 09:11:28 PM

No way man, it's BITING SATIRE!

Remember that episode where they repeated a joke 47 times, while incorporating tropes from an afterschool special or other easily-spoofed melodramatic genre?  Fuckin genius, man.

*Listens to Limp Bizkit, grows patchy, adolescent facial hair*

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 09:24:43 PM

I'm sure in context that's hilariously clever.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The context is the viewer being 14 years old.

[close]

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 21, 2013, 09:56:07 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 08:58:25 PM

show me the Emancipation Proclamation in the Constitution.
 :paul

Unconstitutional liberal madness. Not like you'd ever hear it in this MediaMatters-dominated world we are living in.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2013, 10:00:04 PM

Media Matter is the ACORN of our generation.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 10:45:39 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21134540/vp/52257275#52257275

There's your precious charity helping people in need, Dubya! But they should be THANKFUL to make 22 cents an hour, instead of being shoved out into the streets to starve to death for having the audacity to be mentally or physically disabled!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 21, 2013, 11:05:09 PM

Quote

Look to Germany and the UK for what happens. If you don't show enough "will" or don't show up to appointments scheduled at the most inconvenient of times or dare to show up with a doctors certificate or have other valid reasons, you might just end up getting sanctioned down to nothing by the Jobcentres. And if that wasn't bad enough, there are rumours (confirmed by former employees) that there are sanction quotas. No jobs available? Tough. Go beg, filth. Can you believe these shirkers. The gall! 
Meanwhile, we're bailing out failing banks left and right and the rich pull up the ladder behind them, while the media scares what's left of the middle classes to kick downwards, lest the poors invade paradise as well. The really, really funny thing is that, in

yeah, the biggest thing that makes me go  :o about all this is that the last time i was home -everyone- was blaming a mixture of benefit cheats, eastern europeans and asians - especially with the "they come over here with their XX kids and take our jobs" etc.

It's not only garbage, but as you point out - the economic state has nothing to do with any of these factors and, as far as i can tell, not one of the people involved in hurting the global economy is serving real jail time for it.

For the Uk, benefit fraud costs the country a fraction of what is being handed out elsewhere - but it's an easy card for the government to play. People should be marching together, instead they're fighting each other.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2013, 11:19:09 PM

Adhering to your philosophy would inadvertently harm the unemployable disabled

...said the libertarian.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 11:24:19 PM

At $8.80 per 40-hour work week, they might as well be unemployed!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on June 21, 2013, 11:25:10 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 11:15:32 PM

Yet nonetheless you've shown me people voluntarily agreeing to work for less than minimum wage; people who have handicaps that would make requiring paying them current minimum wage (I say current, because this is a figure you no doubt want to be larger) would lead any manager to reconsider having them on staff and paying them anything at all.  So in typical, presumably well-meaning (?) liberal fashion you seem to want all of these people to have no employment and thus no income aside from whatever they may get from the government (which no doubt you want to be larger).

So eat shit or die. Gotcha.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2013, 11:35:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIMucHfUMyg
 :whew

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2013, 01:12:26 AM

Quote from: Rufus on June 21, 2013, 11:25:10 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 11:15:32 PM

Yet nonetheless you've shown me people voluntarily agreeing to work for less than minimum wage; people who have handicaps that would make requiring paying them current minimum wage (I say current, because this is a figure you no doubt want to be larger) would lead any manager to reconsider having them on staff and paying them anything at all.  So in typical, presumably well-meaning (?) liberal fashion you seem to want all of these people to have no employment and thus no income aside from whatever they may get from the government (which no doubt you want to be larger).

So eat shit or die. Gotcha.

You fail to consider the third option, eat shit AND die.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 22, 2013, 01:25:50 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 21, 2013, 11:15:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2013, 10:45:39 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21134540/vp/52257275#52257275

There's your precious charity helping people in need, Dubya! But they should be THANKFUL to make 22 cents an hour, instead of being shoved out into the streets to starve to death for having the audacity to be mentally or physically disabled!

Hrm, it's like you think you're making a point, somehow.

Yet nonetheless you've shown me people voluntarily agreeing to work for less than minimum wage; people who have handicaps that would make requiring paying them current minimum wage (I say current, because this is a figure you no doubt want to be larger) would lead any manager to reconsider having them on staff and paying them anything at all.  So in typical, presumably well-meaning (?) liberal fashion you seem to want all of these people to have no employment and thus no income aside from whatever they may get from the government (which no doubt you want to be larger).

You're arguing that it's more beneficial for a person with severe disabilities to have the satisfaction of earning some money but that obviously, that 22 cents an hour would also need to be supplemented by an altruistic society that takes care of people who have severe disabilities....is that right?

Please, don't be a dick.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 22, 2013, 09:27:34 AM

Couldn't we solve the plight of the hungry and the disabled by simply feeding the disabled to the hungry?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2013, 04:03:03 PM

We could also solve the problem with entitlement funding by driving old people out into the desert and leaving them there.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2013, 04:13:13 PM

Better yet, if we had a WPA style program to build a giant rocket, with a major piece being constructed in each state. After completion every person 60 and older would be put into the rocket and shot to Mars. Seems like the most effective way to lower unemployment and cut health care spending.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2013, 04:31:00 PM

That sounds like a bunch of... SOCIALISM!  Instead, we'll contract it out to companies that are only bound by the rational machinations of the free market, surely they'll be able to perform this noble project cheaper and more efficiently!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2013, 05:56:14 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2013, 04:13:13 PM

Better yet, if we had a WPA style program to build a giant rocket, with a major piece being constructed in each state. After completion every person 60 and older would be put into the rocket and shot to Mars. Seems like the most effective way to lower unemployment and cut health care spending.

And would solve the problem of finding people willing to be part of the first wave of Martian colonists.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 23, 2013, 09:13:14 AM

:lol

Snowden got away

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/hong-kong-snowden-has-left-for-a-third-country.php?ref=fpa

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 23, 2013, 11:17:34 AM

Snowden needs to keep running. His pale, cool young dude ass won't even last 10 minutes in the line to get fingerprinted.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 23, 2013, 04:31:32 PM

 Does anyone know what happens to the money used for medicaid expansion if a red state refuses to accept it?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 24, 2013, 06:34:00 AM

So basically does the government just print less money? I don't know if you can tell but I've never taken any sort of accounting/economics class.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2013, 12:18:58 PM

Unused/rejected  Medicaid expansion money is reallocated to the federal exchanges, and it's also possible it can be reallocated to states that accepted the expansion. Which means states that reject it are truly cutting their nose to spite their face: not only are they still "paying" for it through taxes, they're paying for other people in other states to receive better care.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2013, 05:34:19 PM

http://content.healthaffairs.org/content/32/6/1030.abstract

Basically all state money is coming out of a big, federal allocation of Medicaid and insurance subsidy money. If a state refuses the Medicaid expansion, that money is still in the "pot" and can be used for subsidies in the federal exchange program, but apparently cannot be used to increase another state's Medicaid amount. Every state will comply with the subsidy/exchanges plan, whereas the SC ruled states can decide whether they want to participate in the Medicaid expansion.

In Michigan, our republican governor is still trying to get it passed but the GOP led state senate has adjourned for summer; they won't be back until October, meaning Michigan will not be getting any Medicaid money. Right now many within the MI health industry believe we'll accept the funds next year before the election. The dental office I work at has decided to maintain our longstanding policy of not accepting Medicaid, so regardless of what happens we won't be seeing those patients. I lobbied for us to at least see children on Medicaid plans but it's a no go.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 12:32:33 AM

Yes, for medical care
http://ccf.georgetown.edu/all/kaiser-releases-two-reports-on-medicaid-reimbursement-rate-increases/
http://ccf.georgetown.edu/all/final-rule-approves-pay-raise-for-medicaid-primary-care-services/

Sadly this doesn't really apply to dental care, where reimbursement rates will largely remain a state issue. That's the main reason a lot of dental offices don't accept Medicaid, at least in Michigan. For instance here in Michigan, the smallest/simplest filing for a cavity costs around $150. Medicaid will pay $16 of that. So you're losing money by giving chair time to someone with Medicaid over a private insurance plan where a far larger portion of that $150 is paid.

Or you can do what many Medicaid accepting places do: set up 10 minute appointments and see hundreds of patients a day, collecting your fed money while giving rushed & shitty care. So while I'm glad Medicaid has been expanded and virtually every kid in America will have access to dental care, many providers will still treat them poorly.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 25, 2013, 03:25:13 AM

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-23042005

Is this the war you guys ended or is that the other one?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 09:45:16 AM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/mccain-us-will-have-most-militarized-border-since

"I think that, first of all, the legislation concerning beefed up border security removes any validity to the argument that border security is not sufficient," McCain said during an appearance on CNN. "I mean, this is not only sufficient, it is well over sufficient. We'll be the most militarized border since the fall of the Berlin Wall so that's why I think this amendment was very important."

:beli

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 25, 2013, 11:26:26 AM

States rights win again today

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 11:44:10 AM

not really as offended by this as I feel I should be...the legality and argument against it in terms of pure judicial practices seems sound unfortunately

but fuck scalia of course

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 25, 2013, 11:50:55 AM

I don't like the idea of SCOTUS sniping individual lines of legislation and telling Congress to redo it. What if the next set of criteria for voting oversight is also not happy to SCOTUS? The bill passed overwhelmingly with that provision and I don't see why these 5 people would have done more research on it than the 330 who voted on it just a few years ago.

Basically, either strike down the concept of federal oversight of the process or leave the whole thing alone.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 12:22:07 PM

It's worth noting Section 2 of the VRA covers much of the same ground. And most of the voter ID laws that were struck down last year had nothing to do with Section 5, they were in violation of state laws.

I'm far more concerned about voting hours (and early voting hours/days) being restricted as well as Sec of State offices being moved out of cities, both of which don't apply to Section 5 iirc.

Personally I have no problem with voter ID laws if IDs are readily available to anyone who wants one. Alas a certain party wants to make the process as annoying as possible.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 01:00:20 PM

Vote protection? lol nope!
Consumer protection? lol nope!

Worst SCOTUS ever.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 01:06:06 PM

on the plus side, gay marriage tomorrow!

:rejoice

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 01:18:31 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 01:06:06 PM

on the plus side, gay marriage tomorrow!

:rejoice

gay marriage? lol nope!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on June 25, 2013, 01:22:03 PM

supreme court is on a fucking roll.  Can't wait to see them hold back federal recognition of gay marriage.  Fucking fruitcakes.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 25, 2013, 02:39:34 PM

New emote plz

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1210877/thumbs/r-OBAMA-CLIMATE-huge.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 02:42:41 PM

 :whew
ATTN JayDubya
https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/349596587720318977

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2013, 02:43:15 PM

SCOTUS is just hurrying through the conservative laundry list before Obama/Clinton can appoint someone that upsets the conservative majority on the bench.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2013, 03:13:24 PM

It takes a TRUE PATRIOT™ to shit on half his countrymen.  :american

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 03:18:31 PM

Is this relative in possession of a Medicare electric wheelchair, and does his shirt constantly sport mayonnaise stains?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 03:19:48 PM

Guys, it's been 50 years since the VRA went into effect. Times have changed, we're not the country we were 50 years ago! We-

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/texas-advances-voter-id-law-after-supreme-court-ruling.php

“With today’s decision, the State’s voter ID law will take effect immediately,” [Texas Attorney General] Abbott said, according to the Dallas Morning News. “Redistricting maps passed by the Legislature may also take effect without approval from the federal government.”

Oh.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 03:45:27 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 25, 2013, 03:13:24 PM

It takes a TRUE PATRIOT™ to shit on half his countrymen.  :american

Rich people are mad that they paid for Obama, while us poor people got him for free. :smug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 25, 2013, 03:49:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 03:18:31 PM

Is this relative in possession of a Medicare electric wheelchair, and does his shirt constantly sport mayonnaise Freedom Gunk stains?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 03:51:51 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 25, 2013, 03:50:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 03:18:31 PM

Is this relative in possession of a Medicare electric wheelchair, and does his shirt constantly sport mayonnaise stains?

He's a retired physician, actually, which makes it weird. I could send him the study on how drug testing for welfare benefits actually costs more than the savings it generates, but studies have no effect. He's not really interested in adjusting his viewpoints in the face of actual data.

Yup. His response would be "I expect spin from the mainstream media, not from you..."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2013, 06:01:34 PM

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1044662_10200659184014990_927081782_n.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 06:02:11 PM

that can't be a real fucking quote

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2013, 06:11:00 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 25, 2013, 06:01:34 PM

(https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/1044662_10200659184014990_927081782_n.jpg)

That's a total lie.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Some Southern people aren't racist

[close]

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 06:14:31 PM

When I went to Alabama to visit my southern farmer family members I noticed that their neighborhood was half white and black. They all hung out together, all helped on each others farms at times, ate the exact same food, talked the exact same, etc. We can all get along.  :'(

brb sending this anecdote to David Brooks.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 06:15:42 PM

Live filibuster in-progress in Texas:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-senator-begins-planned-13-hour-filibuster-to-kill-anti-abortion-bill.php

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 06:22:07 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 25, 2013, 06:02:11 PM

that can't be a real fucking quote

The sentiment is real.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2013, 06:29:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 06:14:31 PM

When I went to Alabama to visit my southern farmer family members I noticed that their neighborhood was half white and black. They all hung out together, all helped on each others farms at times, ate the exact same food, talked the exact same, etc. We can all get along.  :'(

brb sending this anecdote to David Brooks.

And then make the location more exotic and send it to Thomas Friedman

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 25, 2013, 06:29:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 06:14:31 PM

When I went to Alabama to visit my southern farmer family members I noticed that their neighborhood was half white and black. They all hung out together, all helped on each others farms at times, ate the exact same food, talked the exact same, etc. We can all get along.  :'(

brb sending this anecdote to David Brooks.

And then make the location more exotic and send it to Thomas Friedman

And then send it to Gary Whitta for a major motion picture adaption.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 06:51:08 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 06:15:42 PM

Live filibuster in-progress in Texas:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-senator-begins-planned-13-hour-filibuster-to-kill-anti-abortion-bill.php

This is like a C-SPAN battle royale, falls count anywhere.  Senators are passive-agressiving the hell out of each other. :whew

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 06:56:24 PM

5 hours to go.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 07:00:47 PM

6 hours, she's gotta go till midnight and it's only 6pm here.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 25, 2013, 07:18:35 PM

:bow this lady :bow2

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 07:19:17 PM

And this is a REAL filibuster:

-Speak from 11am to 12am
-No breaks for any reason
-No CHAIR
-No leaning on the desk

This is the C-SPAN version of Hell in a Cell.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 07:22:03 PM

If someone were to push her and she fell, would that end the filibuster?
 :larry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 07:23:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 07:22:03 PM

If someone were to push her and she fell, would that end the filibuster?
 :larry

Only if she couldn't get back on her feet before the 3-count.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 07:39:53 PM

What if, with 1 minute to go, she takes off her jacket to reveal a shirt with an elephant on it. Then she sits down, completing the heel turn.

Then Rick Perry walks down the senate hall and gives her a high five.
(http://tinyurl.com/pjlja5t)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 08:02:51 PM

Republicans are trying to end the match early with a disqualification, but some old guy jumped into the ring with a chair (metaphorically) for an assist.

Old lady, just bitchslapped male privilege by pointing out that the rule that said you couldn't sit only used a male pronoun.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 08:09:02 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 08:02:51 PM

Old lady, just bitchslapped male privilege by pointing out that the rule that said you couldn't sit only used a male pronoun.

:lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2013, 09:40:43 PM

Markey wins Kerry's seat.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 09:44:10 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 25, 2013, 09:40:43 PM

Markey wins Kerry's seat.

so you mean the polls were not skewed?!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 09:46:24 PM

10% margin of victory. :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 09:53:27 PM

watching this fillibuster

the fuck are these assholes arguing against  :lol

Goddamit I hate consitutional stringents.  Fuck off with trying to ignore years and years of precedent and popular opinion and trying to hang the balance on a motherfucking important topic on the meaning of one fucking word

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 10:00:02 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 25, 2013, 09:53:27 PM

watching this fillibuster

the fuck are these assholes arguing against  :lol

Goddamit I hate consitutional stringents.  Fuck off with trying to ignore years and years of precedent and popular opinion and trying to hang the balance on a motherfucking important topic on the meaning of one fucking word

They've been trying to get her filibuster ended on a technicality all night. She's received two warnings so far (once for going off-topic, another for a senator helping her put on a back brace), if she gets one more warning they'll end the filibuster and force a vote.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 10:02:40 PM

hope she can keep going strong for three more hours

is she allowed a glass of water at least?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 10:03:41 PM

Also democrats are asking points of order to give her time to rest her voice.

I hope Microsoft is watching. This could make for an interesting Kinect game.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 10:04:01 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 25, 2013, 10:02:40 PM

is she allowed a glass of water at least?

No. She can't even lean on her desk.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2013, 10:06:41 PM

I hope it works out. I would love to see some Texan Rs feel dat filibuster.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 10:07:56 PM

damn  :holeup

mad props to her.  Wish this fucking shit was in the US congress.  christ almighty, I want to see Mitch Turtle McFuckface talk for 13 hours

lets see if he can do so without retracting his head for a lil snooze within his ass

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 10:13:43 PM

This is how a filibuster should work. It shouldn't be a casually used tool of pure obstruction (like the US senate...). If you want to filibuster you should have to hold the floor. And whether its done in support of something I favor (like this) or something I don't (the anti-Civil Rights Act filibusters of the 60s), the option should be taken seriously, not as a quick gimmick to stall any and everything.

It's worth noting that Davis was working near full time at the age of 14 to help her single mother; she then became a single mother at 19. Got herself through community college, undergrad (top of class), and Harvard Law. She'd probably be a United States senator in nearly any other state.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 10:14:44 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 25, 2013, 10:14:44 PM

:bow damn :bow2

get this gal into federal politics

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 10:15:03 PM

.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 10:20:51 PM

Other Democrats have been trying to ask questions to give her a break for about the past hour or so, and but she's in such a flow, she won't even take their questions.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 10:21:37 PM

what a BAMF

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 11:04:44 PM

what absolute fucking horeshit

fuck texas

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 11:05:30 PM

wow  :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 25, 2013, 11:08:18 PM

WHAT JUST HAPPENED I WAS PLAYING WITH CATS AND MISSED IT

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 11:10:55 PM

Absolutely sickening.  That female member of congress who got got this to end should be fucking ashamed of herself.

And she claims to be a fucking physician.  Jesus christ.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 25, 2013, 11:13:25 PM

may horrible violence be inflicted upon dirtbag republicans and those who stand with them

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 11:17:04 PM

Sounds like they're going to fillibuster with parliamentary inquiries until midnight. Haha the republican sounds pissed

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 11:19:50 PM

did they toss all the people watching?

I can even hear them outside, good lord

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 11:21:09 PM

93,000 people watching

holy shit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 25, 2013, 11:28:26 PM

102,000

wow.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 11:34:05 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 25, 2013, 11:17:16 PM

Recap for those who couldn't watch?

Rick Perry opened a special legislation period in the middle of the night to quickly pass an abortion ban in Texas. Citizens showed up at the Texas congress to submit citizen filibusters until representatives could make it back. Fast forward to today, the last day of the special legislation period: Wendy Davis, a democrat, filibustered for nearly 24 hours in order to end the special legislation period, thus killing the bill. Republicans have hit her with three rule violations, including one due to a senator helping her put her back brace on. Basically she has to stand for 24 hours and cannot lean or do anything except stand.

She got hit with the third strike over some bullshit (not staying on topic, despite clearly being on topic). Now democrats are attempting to kill the remaining two hours with parliamentary inquiries.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 11:47:01 PM

She went "off-topic" by mentioning ultrasounds.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 11:52:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/368vM9o.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 11:54:51 PM

Seems like the Lgt. governor fucked up. Dems might have this.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2013, 11:56:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 11:52:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/368vM9o.jpg)

More people there than Miami Heat fans that saw the end of Game 6.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2013, 11:56:42 PM

The second strike:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqS2lrvtNAo

She didn't even put on the backbrace.  :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2013, 11:57:40 PM

explanation for the latest turn of events:

Quote

The chair ruled Sen Davis' speech was not germane and issued a third warning to her, and closed her speech.

Sen Watson then moved to appeal the chair's ruling, a motion which takes precedence over lots of other actions and is debatable (meaning Watson would get a chance to finish filibustering for Sen Davis.) The President stepped down and put a new guy in the chair (appropriate since there would be a conflict of interest in the chair overseeing debate on his own ruling.) Then there were a whole host of points of order, which take precedence over the move to appeal. And then Sen Numbnuts tried to slip in the motion to table the motion to appeal.

The thing is, Sen Watson never yielded the floor. With his motion, he opened debate, but had to yield to the points of order. The chair never should have recognized the motion to table. It shouldn't matter, you can't take action on the main motion when there's another motion that's been tabled, but I don't really trust that parliamentarian.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 26, 2013, 12:01:25 AM

American politics is amazing.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 12:02:27 AM

seeing a tweet going around now linking to the rules that state that you can only end this with three violations of germaineness. dont think her second violation would count toward that.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:08:46 AM

Fillbuster dead.

Edit: Maybe not.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:09:13 AM

Filibusted

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:09:38 AM

WHAT THE FUCK

fuck texas

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:10:34 AM

Old lady's still gonna have her say.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:17:14 AM

120k

 :o

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:19:00 AM

fucking lol at gaf

those assholes don't even know who's for or against this bill

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 12:19:35 AM

Watson (guy speaking) has 40 minutes. If he can keep it up, dems win basically.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:20:28 AM

I thought he had 30?

I read somewhere this bill would be shelved at 11:45 to move onto other bills if it were fillibustered

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 26, 2013, 12:22:26 AM

well I'll certainly be keeping it up for 40 minutes.   :american

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 26, 2013, 12:31:04 AM

#StandWithWendy
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNqJZMuCcAAB5ac.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:31:32 AM

 :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:31:42 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/MCjIJm4.jpg)ness

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 26, 2013, 12:37:21 AM

PD explain what's happening  >:(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:39:24 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on June 26, 2013, 12:37:21 AM

PD explain what's happening  >:(

Republicans are just doing whatever they want.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 12:39:46 AM

republicans just shut Watson down, throwing the rules out the window. wut

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:40:08 AM

fuck texas

what an awful night.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:40:12 AM

People bout to start throwing chairs.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:40:19 AM

This lady is MAD.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:44:21 AM

136k

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:45:29 AM

BONED

holy shit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:45:38 AM

Snap! She TOLD you, son!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:46:05 AM

KEEP CHEERING

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 26, 2013, 12:46:28 AM

:whew

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:47:12 AM

Throw the chairs!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:47:49 AM

THIS IS THE BEST FILLIBUSTER

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 12:48:25 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jK-NcRmVcw

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:49:13 AM

He's calling to suspend the vote now. :bow2

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:49:17 AM

KEEP.  FUCKING.  CHEERING

RUN THROUGH COPS

SHOUT AND SHIT

FUCKING DO IT

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:49:43 AM

MAKE IT HAPPEN, TEXAS

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 12:51:47 AM

holy shit if this works  :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Atramental on June 26, 2013, 12:52:30 AM

 :whoo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:52:42 AM

153k viewers, pretty sure the Texas Senate livestream has never had this many viewers before. :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:52:51 AM

152,000 people watching.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 12:53:52 AM

fuck this is a nail-biter

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:53:56 AM

just six more minutes!!!!!!!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2013, 12:54:27 AM

I kind of wish I lived in a (politically) crappier state so I could get in on something like this.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:54:43 AM

DONT FUCKING CHANT

SCREAM

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:55:09 AM

Man, the view counter just keeps going up!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Hitler Stole My Potato on June 26, 2013, 12:55:19 AM

This is pretty fucking amazing

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:55:54 AM

5 minutes to midnight!!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:56:04 AM

they better not be doing a silent vote

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:57:17 AM

For those who missed how this got started:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnDO9nifI2M

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 12:57:22 AM

Rush the floor, cut down the net!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 12:58:07 AM

they're gonna ram it through

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:58:45 AM

NO

FUCK THE REPUBS

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:59:13 AM

176,000 people on the live stream.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:00:13 AM

it just fucking passed

fuck this gay earht

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Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2013, 01:00:38 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJYDdotNR6I

Really, I have no expectations of any rules being followed for the TX legislature.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:03:55 AM

Hasn't passed yet.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:05:34 AM

wtf has happened!?!?!   :-\

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:05:35 AM

AP twitter person said no vote.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 01:06:08 AM

No vote, didn't pass.

Becca Aaronson ‏@becca_aa 57s
GOP SEnators trying to still vote on #SB5 past midnight

Becca Aaronson ‏@becca_aa 6s
GOP Senators moved to vote on #sb5 at midnight, Dems say its over and cannot count

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:06:49 AM

they fucking kicked everyone out just for this

fuck texas

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 01:07:47 AM

Like they need to have a vote.  It's Tejas, they'll just say they passed it, who cares.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:10:54 AM

varying reports confirming both sides, that it passed and that it didn;t

I must know!

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:13:15 AM

Something must have happened, the gallery is getting feisty again. "Let her go" chant? I wonder if people are being arrested.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:19:57 AM

CBS is saying it passed. Somehow.

Edit: People are cheering for some reason. Not sure why.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 01:20:29 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:19:57 AM

CBS is saying it passed. Somehow.

Told you.  Tejas.  They'll just do what they want.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 01:20:49 AM

Quote

@sherifffruitfly No shit, 100,000 people just watched the Texas legislature commit vote fraud

yuuuuuuup

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:21:36 AM

welp, be ready for another shitstorm, GOP

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:21:45 AM

Glad this dangerous criminal is off the streets

(http://static.ow.ly/photos/normal/2s7In.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:24:28 AM

People are saying the voting computer doesn't have a time stamp to record time of vote.  :usacry

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:27:53 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:24:28 AM

People are saying the voting computer doesn't have a time stamp to record time of vote.  :usacry

THANKS OBAMA

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:28:07 AM

 :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:30:36 AM

Royce West, Dem. Senator, is saying the Senate wasn't in session when the vote happened and so it's void.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 01:31:39 AM

dems will challenge the constitutionality since the vote occurred after midnight.

Either way it's clear local Texas republicans just gave the national republican party a black eye. Nearly 200k people were watching this on youtube...

VRA+Texas shutting down virtually every abortion clinic in the state+like shitcanning of the immigration bill by the House SHOULD equal huge democrat gains next year. Unfortunately dat redistricting will make it hard to take the House.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:32:30 AM

Republican outreach!

Re-branding!

Soul-searching!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:35:17 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxP442T-aZ0

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:36:02 AM

is anything even going on in the chamber anymore?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:36:44 AM

Quote

Reporters and Democrats saw the voting begin after midnight, but Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said it began just before.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:38:09 AM

Sounds like it's passed until further notice.

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Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 01:38:42 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:36:44 AM

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Reporters and Democrats saw the voting begin after midnight, but Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said it began just before.

too bad theres no video evidence

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:38:47 AM

 :ohhh

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:36:44 AM

Quote

Reporters and Democrats saw the voting begin after midnight, but Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said it began just before.

:ohhh :ohhh :ohhh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:41:22 AM

Quote from: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 01:38:42 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:36:44 AM

Quote

Reporters and Democrats saw the voting begin after midnight, but Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst said it began just before.

too bad theres no video evidence

Reality has been found invalid by a majority vote.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:42:28 AM

Quote

@mikestatesman
Whitmire: The vote did not start until 12:02, after midnight. It's in the journal. Vote on SB5 doesn't count.

Quote

Statesmanmike ‏@mikestatesman 1m
Gallery cleared by troopers. Senate plans to reconvene in a while. West plans to question validity of SB5. Senate has not adjourned. #txlege

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 01:43:22 AM

Becca Aaronson ‏@becca_aa 4m
Whitmire says Senate timestamp shows #SB5 vote began at 12:02, that legal? "No it's not" #txlege

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:44:28 AM

are they still doing this shit? go to fucking bed

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 01:44:36 AM

Santa Claus ain't legal, and he's still around.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:45:07 AM

Dem. Senators in the rotunda:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BNqc-YeCUAAsvbS.jpg:large)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:50:07 AM

Meanwhile, on CNN:

(http://i.imgur.com/oAeUfts.jpg)

:beli

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 01:50:49 AM

And, oh yeah, tomorrow is SCOTUS ruling on Prop. 8!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 01:54:24 AM

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/adbf88ecadab38accf53bd1711fad2b1/tumblr_mozf5uz5CO1r0nqb4o1_500.png)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img853/191/wowpn.png)
Watson is Daario

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 02:27:25 AM

What a week this has been, and there's still more to come. Tomorrow gay marriage could be legalized tomorrow.

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Post by: brawndolicious on June 26, 2013, 02:54:22 AM

Saw this on gaf explaining all the possibilities:

(http://i.imgur.com/OZV4Apu.jpg)

I'm thinking only California's will allow same-sex marriage again and the rest of the nation will be unaffected. Around what time do they usually announce these decisions?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 03:01:33 AM

I also have a feeling the ruling will be narrow and only impact California...but I hope I'm wrong. Dunno what time it's scheduled for, probably the early afternoon?

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 03:02:05 AM

nintenho- 10 am eastern

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Post by: Himu on June 26, 2013, 08:56:14 AM

Someone explain what happened last night. What the fuck? Voter fraud? What the shit? SB5 is dead? But I read it passed? SO CONFUSED.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 09:13:31 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 26, 2013, 08:56:14 AM

Someone explain what happened last night. What the fuck? Voter fraud? What the shit? SB5 is dead? But I read it passed? SO CONFUSED.

Republicans tried to break the rules to get it passed, but they still couldn't pass it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leVeBB1eA2M

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2013, 09:16:55 AM

My home state is changing. :obama

This never could have been possible a few years ago.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 09:58:42 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 26, 2013, 08:56:14 AM

Someone explain what happened last night. What the fuck? Voter fraud? What the shit? SB5 is dead? But I read it passed? SO CONFUSED.

Yup, it's official- that monstrosity didn't pass.  But they'll be back at it soon, the ratfuckers.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/25/19140887-texas-abortion-bill-fails-to-pass-after-epic-filibuster?lite

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on June 26, 2013, 10:06:28 AM

DOMA IS DEAD

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 26, 2013, 10:06:35 AM

DOMA unconstitutional

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 10:07:53 AM

That was what I thought would happen... still not sure how the Prop 8 case is gonna play out.

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Post by: Himu on June 26, 2013, 10:13:12 AM

nvm

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 10:16:03 AM

Quote from: http://www.today.com/money/us-ceo-held-captive-chinese-workers-i-think-im-here-6C10454467

The American executive being held captive inside his Chinese factory by his own workers insisted Wednesday he’s tried to leave the building, but has been blocked by angry employees at every turn.

“I tried the other day, and they all pretty much lock arms together and won’t let me go,” said Chip Starnes, speaking to TODAY’s Savannah Guthrie through the barred window of his office.“They’re very aggressive, they only let you go so far around the factory.”

Starnes is the 42-year-old chief executive of Specialty Medical Supplies, which has operated a plant just outside of Beijing for the last decade.

However, the company recently moved a part of its Chinese factory to India, laying off about 35 Chinese workers in the process. Each was provided a severance package. Remaining workers soon began demanding similar compensation deals, even though they were still employed, leading to the confrontation with Starnes.

Employees have prohibited their boss from leaving the building since last Friday, although Starnes said he has made several attempts.

:heh

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 10:34:12 AM

Apparently the Prop 8 appeal was dismissed on standing, so Prop 8 is dead but this only has ramifications for Cali.  Get yo gay on, brehs.

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Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2013, 10:45:05 AM

(http://i40.tinypic.com/ekizv7.jpg)

Scalia is a truly awful human being.

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Post by: helios on June 26, 2013, 11:04:38 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 26, 2013, 09:16:55 AM

My home state is changing. :obama

This never could have been possible a few years ago.

All of the old bigoted fucks are dying off while the cities get bigger and bigger. Texas is going to end up going blue

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 11:06:22 AM

Quote from: helios on June 26, 2013, 11:04:38 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on June 26, 2013, 09:16:55 AM

My home state is changing. :obama

This never could have been possible a few years ago.

All of the old bigoted fucks are dying off while the cities get bigger and bigger. Texas is going to end up going blue

Especially after the House ends up blowing up immigration reform  :jawalrus

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Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 11:27:45 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 26, 2013, 10:45:05 AM

(http://i40.tinypic.com/ekizv7.jpg)

Scalia is a truly awful human being.

Seems about right.

Also Wendy Davis :noah  I haven't been that proud of a politician in a long time.  We need to make fatties at the federal level do that shit for a filibuster.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2013, 11:38:28 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 26, 2013, 10:45:05 AM

(http://i40.tinypic.com/ekizv7.jpg)

Scalia is a truly awful human being.

I can't wait to read Scalia's shitty dissenting opinion on DOMA.

http://www.cnn.com/interactive/2013/06/politics/scotus-ruling-windsor/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 12:19:30 PM

Now we wait for the inevitable dispute caused by a married gay couple crossing state lines into a state where gay marriage is banned. It'll take some time to work its way up to the SC but it'll probably happen before 2016.

Also this ruling ensures that gay immigrant couples will be treated equally by the immigration bill, if it passes lol.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 12:27:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 12:19:30 PM

Now we wait for the inevitable dispute caused by a married gay couple crossing state lines into a state where gay marriage is banned. It'll take some time to work its way up to the SC but it'll probably happen before 2016.

Also this ruling ensures that gay immigrant couples will be treated equally by the immigration bill, if it passes lol.

oh man, I can't wait for some GOP salt from this

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:52:21 PM

Scalia quotes:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/scalia-doma-dissent.php

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 12:52:58 PM

DAT SALT

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/scalia-doma-dissent.php?ref=fpa

 :umad

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 01:17:56 PM

same-sex sex  :lol

fuck that guy

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Post by: helios on June 26, 2013, 01:26:44 PM

It's legalistic argle-bargle espoused by the rootless and shifting black-robed supremacy

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 26, 2013, 02:56:46 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 02:47:31 PM

I looked into the Texas abortion proposal, and apparently it's for abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. That seems... reasonable? Provided there are exceptions to save the life of the mother in the case of emergency, or if the fetus has severe birth defects? Isn't 20 weeks a pretty decent amount of time to make up your mind?

don't really want to get into that but the larger part of the bill was a redefinition of abortion clinics that would close all but 5 of the 42 in the state and would make people in some parts of the state drive hundreds of miles (or to Mexico) in order to get an abortion

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Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2013, 03:05:24 PM

Job killing legislation

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 03:51:23 PM

the whole conversation is a slippery slope.  Whenever people try to goad me into abortion debates I really have to step back and decline, I feel really uncomfortable talking about it when I never have to deal with the physical consequences, ever.  I just default to "whatever is best for the woman."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2013, 04:05:39 PM

Just reply with "Want less abortions? Hand out birth control and support sex education, not the exact opposite."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on June 26, 2013, 04:14:40 PM

It does to people who write shit like "Culture: God, [...]" as wishes to santa into chain e-mails. They want their way of life and morality to be the norm, so they lobby to curtail anything that deviates from it. If you think that you shouldn't fuck before marriage the demands make a lot of sense.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2013, 04:33:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_1-gEb__o4

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 05:31:51 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/307813-irs-ig-says-audit-limited-to-tea-party-groups (http://thehill.com/blogs/on-the-money/domestic-taxes/307813-irs-ig-says-audit-limited-to-tea-party-groups)

God our media is fucking terrible.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 06:36:34 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 02:47:31 PM

I looked into the Texas abortion proposal, and apparently it's for abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy. That seems... reasonable? Provided there are exceptions to save the life of the mother in the case of emergency, or if the fetus has severe birth defects? Isn't 20 weeks a pretty decent amount of time to make up your mind?

Isn't it...the woman's choice to determine that? I agree in general but still, I wouldn't impose that on any woman.

Patel is right, the big shocking thing about this is that it basically regulates abortion clinics to one area of the country, going from about 42 clinics to 5. That's...a problem.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 07:01:18 PM

Quote from: Eschaton on June 26, 2013, 05:59:15 PM

Bittersweet week; victory with DOMA and defeat with Voting Rights and The Right to Remain Silent

dont forget we can kidnap native american children again; thats pretty sweet right

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 26, 2013, 07:05:19 PM

Quote from: Eschaton on June 26, 2013, 07:02:08 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 07:01:18 PM

Quote from: Eschaton on June 26, 2013, 05:59:15 PM

Bittersweet week; victory with DOMA and defeat with Voting Rights and The Right to Remain Silent

dont forget we can kidnap native american children again; thats pretty sweet right

What? :sabu

there's some law about not putting indian kids with white families (to prevent breaking up reservations)

an indian kid was adopted by a white family

indian dad was like "changed my mind, want my son back" and cited the law

SCOTUS was like "well, this law is just about fucking with indians, and since racism is dead (c.f. VRA) no need to enforce it here. BOOM! infinite beautiful indian babies for Ally McBeal all up in this bitch y'all"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 26, 2013, 07:07:09 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 06:36:34 PM

Isn't it...the woman's choice to determine that? I agree in general but still, I wouldn't impose that on any woman.

Would you impose upon women a restriction on abortions on the day of expected delivery? If not, wtf man, that's a goddamn infant that just hasn't popped out yet. But if you would impose such a restriction, would you extend that restriction back one day? Then another day after that? Another day after that? It quickly becomes apparent that a cut-off point must be agreed upon.

I guess you could say that only the female members of the legislature get to vote on that cut-off point, but someone still has to do it.

I support post-natal abortions up to 90 days after the woman gives birth. If cars have "lemon laws," shouldn't kids, too?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 07:10:55 PM

basically we had a law worked out with the tribes that helped native kids stay with their families instead of being pulled away by our government. well this woman had a kid but gave her up for adoption and took herself back to mexico; after the girls dad found out he used the law to get his kid back from a couple that had adopted her. the SC didnt like that (Alito called it a "trump card") and gave the kid back to the white folks, once again securing our right to educate the savages

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:13:27 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 07:05:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 06:36:34 PM

Isn't it...the woman's choice to determine that? I agree in general but still, I wouldn't impose that on any woman.

Would you impose upon women a restriction on abortions on the day of expected delivery? If not, wtf man, that's a goddamn infant that just hasn't popped out yet. But if you would impose such a restriction, would you extend that restriction back one day? Then another day after that? Another day after that? It quickly becomes apparent that a cut-off point must be agreed upon.

I guess you could say that only the female members of the legislature get to vote on that cut-off point, but someone still has to do it.

You're moving from regular abortion to something entirely different (you know, murder). Obviously, partial birth abortion is illegal (and rare) and should stay that way, unless the woman's health is in danger.

I'm not saying only women should be able to write abortion laws either. But in general, a woman should be in control of how this is handled. It's not about women "making up their mind" or else, there are plenty of things that can happen after 20 weeks that could change a woman's mind on keeping the fetus to term.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 07:21:12 PM

wtf does it matter? no one is talking about middle ground now. the fight now is to keep basic access to abortions to as many people as possible, as many states are in full-on attack mode against clinics.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 07:22:38 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 26, 2013, 07:22:03 PM

To butt in here, or not to butt in.  Decisions, decisions.

nobody cares

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:25:31 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 07:21:12 PM

wtf does it matter? no one is talking about middle ground now. the fight now is to keep basic access to abortions to as many people as possible, as many states are in full-on attack mode against clinics.

Exactly. I'm fine with how the general rules are now - legal abortion, restrictions on late late late term/partial birth abortion. The vast majority of Americans agree with that.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:32:32 PM

 :umad

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 07:43:21 PM

Once those fetuses are babies and kids though, fuck em.  If their parents can't provide for them, no food stamps.  STARVE YOU GREEDY LITTLE FUCKERS, AMIRITE???

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 07:44:53 PM

Also, Frank Rich give David Gregory an ICE BURN of Vidal-Buckley proportions.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/frank-rich-thinks-david-gregory-should-be-relegated?ref=fpb

Quote

"The new, incoming leadership of NBC News has a golden opportunity to revamp Sunday morning chat by making a change at Meet the Press," Rich said. "I propose that Gregory be full-time on Today, where he can speak truth to power by grilling Paula Deen."

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Tristam on June 26, 2013, 07:46:20 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 12:52:21 PM

Scalia quotes:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/06/scalia-doma-dissent.php

Holy shit Scalia is a fat little turd.

Quote from: Fuckhead

But the Court has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat. We owed both of them better. I deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrp.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:48:19 PM

Gregory is horrible. Everything he says sounds like something dumb you'd hear at a DC cocktail party, and I'd say a good 70% of his guests are either Lindsy Graham or John McCain ("the mavericks!").

Chuck Todd is insufferable too. I liked him way more in 2007/2008 when he was basically just The Math Guy, explaining how Obama was whooping Hillary n McCain's asses.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Tristam on June 26, 2013, 07:52:43 PM

Double post

Quote from: Fuckhead

But the Court has cheated both sides, robbing the winners of an honest victory, and the losers of the peace that comes from a fair defeat. We owed both of them better. I deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrp.”

This is upholding equal rights, jackass; the 'losers'--esp those who had the most to lose, i.e., those same-sex couples most affected by the law--would not revel in the 'peace' of a defeat of their equal rights.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:53:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKVOdADh4
 :noah

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 08:06:44 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr1kwC0je1Y
holy shit. ether of the year
:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 07:05:22 PM

There has to be a point where one person's body becomes two people's bodies. If you disagree with that, then you have to support a woman's right to end a fetus' life up to and including the moment before birth.

I totally do

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 08:24:37 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:53:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKVOdADh4
 :noah

She's the goddamn American dream*

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*In a world where that can be true of liberals

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 26, 2013, 09:09:21 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2013, 07:53:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeKVOdADh4
 :noah

THIS WOMAN  :rejoice

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2013, 09:23:49 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 26, 2013, 07:29:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 07:22:38 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 26, 2013, 07:22:03 PM

To butt in here, or not to butt in.  Decisions, decisions.

nobody cares

Indeed.

Well, thankfully the state legislature will be right back at it on Monday and the bill will be going through. 

So you know, you guys were only celebrating maybe a couple of hundred extra kids being killed than otherwise.  Not so bad karmically when you think about it.  I guess.

(http://i.imgur.com/7LMvCA4.jpg)
Karma indeed

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 26, 2013, 10:13:58 PM

oh jaydubya

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:19:33 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 10:07:57 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 08:21:08 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 07:05:22 PM

There has to be a point where one person's body becomes two people's bodies. If you disagree with that, then you have to support a woman's right to end a fetus' life up to and including the moment before birth.

I totally do

Well that seems pretty goddamn reprehensible if you're serious.

I am serious.  Why wouldn't I be?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 26, 2013, 10:23:07 PM

Can we make a new thread for this issue? Maybe for the Texas event entirely?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 10:28:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DitqKAe8Nxk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsfmNF3u2yo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:30:27 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 10:21:35 PM

The moment before it's born, you'd have no problem with killing a goddamn baby?

Trust me, plenty of people find your views on abortion reprehensible as well. 

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 10:31:55 PM

I'm all for extending the right to abort until the 50th trimester.  I mean shit, how do you know if your kid is gonna turn out to be an asshole or not?  I'm just saying I want the option, and more air for me to breathe.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 10:41:56 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 10:37:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:30:27 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 10:21:35 PM

The moment before it's born, you'd have no problem with killing a goddamn baby?

Trust me, plenty of people find your views on abortion reprehensible as well.

Sure, but that doesn't mean anything without some kind of thoughtful argument. What's a reasonable argument anyone could actually make against my position?

...people suck and there should be less of them?  :yeshrug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:43:20 PM

I mean look that piece of shit Triumph.  He's on his like 102 Trimester.  Where's my coathanger.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 10:52:17 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:43:20 PM

I mean look that piece of shit Triumph.  He's on his like 102 Trimester.  Where's my coathanger.

Ban Triumph
Leper Creepy Old Guy

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:53:22 PM

Is banning a junior basically aborting someone in the digital realm?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 26, 2013, 10:58:04 PM

 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 11:19:43 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:53:22 PM

Is banning a junior basically aborting someone in the digital realm?

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 26, 2013, 11:40:56 PM

Thank you, Taiwan

http://jezebel.com/the-taiwanese-rendering-of-last-nights-filibuster-is-p-590518576

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 26, 2013, 11:43:45 PM

Man, whenever I think about the SCOTUS it puts me in a really cynical frame of mind, trying to think who's likely to die so we can get a majority of Democratic appointees.

Speaking of which, I didn't realize Scalia was that old.  Totally bogus that he keeps on going while Gandolfini died.  No who'll play him in the movie?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Snake on June 26, 2013, 11:51:18 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 26, 2013, 11:43:45 PM

Speaking of which, I didn't realize Scalia was that old.  Totally bogus that he keeps on going while Gandolfini died.  Now who'll play him in the movie?

There's always time for Chazz Palminteri to gain some weight.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2013, 01:05:57 AM

Whenever I think about the SCOTUS I think how much I'd enjoy discussing porn with Clarence Thomas.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 27, 2013, 03:21:36 AM

Quote from: Eschaton on June 26, 2013, 06:22:09 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 06:17:13 PM

What's this about the right to remain silent?

Edit: well that's some bullshit.

Yeah its being kept very very quiet as well.

I like your pun-fu.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Fifstar on June 27, 2013, 08:45:39 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 10:37:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 26, 2013, 10:30:27 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 26, 2013, 10:21:35 PM

The moment before it's born, you'd have no problem with killing a goddamn baby?

Trust me, plenty of people find your views on abortion reprehensible as well.

Sure, but that doesn't mean anything without some kind of thoughtful argument. What's a reasonable argument anyone could actually make against my position?

It's just an extension of the position on what we consider a life worth protecting. A newborn baby has less capabilities (be it emotion, intelligence or whatever traits one considers significant to be worth protecting) than other species we have to problem killing by the millions. Sure it is likely to develop those capabilities, but the same could be said about a fetus in the 12 week of pregnancy.

I don't take that position at all, and it's a position that almost anyone would repulse but if you're thinking about it purely from a "when has a being the traits that we consider human, that we consider has a definitive right to life" pov than it's not easy to differentiate between a fetus 12 or 34 weeks into pregnancy, a newborn or even a baby that is a couple of months old. We can differ between them, we can set different points at which a fetus or a baby has maybe more capabilities to feel pain or are "more human like" but if we don't apply special rules for beings that belong to the human race, we would have to treat other species much different if we want to act ethically consistant.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Fifstar on June 27, 2013, 09:21:46 AM

Well, you asked about a thoughtful argument. And what I tried to show is imo a reasonable and consistant position, even if it's a position that most would find reprehensible and that is completly irrelevant to political decision making.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: pickle on June 28, 2013, 02:48:00 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 26, 2013, 07:29:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2013, 07:22:38 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 26, 2013, 07:22:03 PM

To butt in here, or not to butt in.  Decisions, decisions.

nobody cares

Indeed.

Well, thankfully the state legislature will be right back at it on Monday and the bill will be going through. 

So you know, you guys were only celebrating maybe a couple of hundred extra kids being killed than otherwise.  Not so bad karmically when you think about it.  I guess.

And you're a clueless dweeb. Take your ham-fisted ideologies and FUCK. RIGHT. OFF.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2013, 05:51:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVcqaqQ6sOs
:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2013, 06:06:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2013, 05:51:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVcqaqQ6sOs
:dead

Grandma no, get off the radio!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 28, 2013, 06:08:23 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.html)

 :holeup

10 minutes to do the test.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2013, 06:22:15 PM

The test seems more of an indictment of modern education than a sign of past racism. To think, most people could pass that test scores of years ago, but today no one can.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2013, 06:23:26 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 28, 2013, 06:08:23 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.html)

 :holeup

10 minutes to do the test.

Can't wait until this is re-instated, thanks SCOTUS!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2013, 06:43:24 PM

California's 9th Circuit Court just dissolved Prop 8, it's officially dead. Gay weddings are a go.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2013, 10:47:14 PM

I need confirmation, can I marry my dog yet?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2013, 09:18:18 PM

Anti-Morsi protests in Egypt:

(http://i.imgur.com/UUPCM4T.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2013, 11:53:57 PM

Can't wait to see which fundamentalist, oppressive ruler they choose next!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 07:27:50 PM

snowden seeks asylum in russia :rofl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 07:34:34 PM

It's image macro meme time!  But I'm lazy, someone else do it:

LEAKS CONFIDENTIAL AMERICAN INFO OUT OF PRINCIPLED CONCERN FOR CIVIL LIBERTIES

SEEKS ASYLUM IN RUSSIA

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 07:35:19 PM

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 07:43:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/TwRaq7j.jpg)

NEXT WEEK:

(http://i.imgur.com/wRdeOkO.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 08:35:05 PM

LIBERALS PROTEST BUSH'S RECORD ON CIVIL LIBERTIES

ELECT BARRACK OBAMA

Am I doing it right, guys?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2013, 08:36:33 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 01, 2013, 07:27:50 PM

snowden seeks asylum in russia :rofl

:snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 08:47:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 08:35:05 PM

LIBERALS PROTEST BUSH'S RECORD ON CIVIL LIBERTIES

ELECT BARRACK OBAMA

Am I doing it right, guys?

 :lol  nice.

The difference is, I would say, "Liberals" in the 2008 and/or 2012 general elections had essentially 2 options to choose from.

Snowden had 195 options to choose from.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2013, 08:53:40 PM

I'd rather be in jail in America than free in Russia!
                     /
(http://i.imgur.com/0FAmkU1.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

But he'll probably be in a Siberian gulag before too long.

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 08:54:53 PM

Quote from: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 08:47:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 08:35:05 PM

LIBERALS PROTEST BUSH'S RECORD ON CIVIL LIBERTIES

ELECT BARRACK OBAMA

Am I doing it right, guys?

 :lol  nice.

The difference is, I would say, "Liberals" in the 2008 and/or 2012 general elections had essentially 2 options to choose from.

Snowden had 195 options to choose from.

But ~185 of those options end with him extradited back to America.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 09:02:34 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 08:54:53 PM

Quote from: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 08:47:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 08:35:05 PM

LIBERALS PROTEST BUSH'S RECORD ON CIVIL LIBERTIES

ELECT BARRACK OBAMA

Am I doing it right, guys?

 :lol  nice.

The difference is, I would say, "Liberals" in the 2008 and/or 2012 general elections had essentially 2 options to choose from.

Snowden had 195 options to choose from.

But ~185 of those options end with him extradited back to America.

True enough.  Quite the dilemma for him.   Asylum in an authoritarian shithole, or extradition to face the rule of law in a country where you don't get put in jail for advocating gay rights.  Hmm, decisions, decisions....

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 09:08:57 PM

I saw those ads yesterday on CNN for 

"THE 'N' WORD A CNN SPECIAL"


and thought to myself:  no.  Just no.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 09:26:11 PM

N-WORD VS C-WORD

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 09:30:15 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 01, 2013, 09:26:11 PM

N-WORD VS C-WORD

PROTIP:  If one of them can be spelled out on a news ticker on basic cable, and one can't, you have your answer already.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 01, 2013, 09:37:29 PM

 :usacry :snoop :usacry


also from what i heard a white woman on the panel ended the segment with "well im still going to use it when im singing in my car!" :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 01, 2013, 10:04:33 PM

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/130701144356-cnn-special-the-n-word-story-top.png)
http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/01/cnn-special-the-n-word-airs-tonight-7p-e-t/ (http://outfront.blogs.cnn.com/2013/07/01/cnn-special-the-n-word-airs-tonight-7p-e-t/)

I've been seeing previews for this on the TVs in my office all week. I wish they weren't on mute, I bet there is some amazing dramatic background music.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 10:25:50 PM

"Tonight, on a very special episode of 'The N-Word', Wolf Blitzer goes undercover in Harlem dressed as a black person."

Blurred Out Man: "Yo nicca, you got a quarter for the snack machine?"

"Within minutes, he already already been called The N-Word, and shaken down for money."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2013, 10:33:09 PM

This is the point where someone posts that Louis CK video where he talks about being white. I'm not going to post it, though.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 01, 2013, 10:41:07 PM

This is CNN

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2013, 10:42:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2013, 10:33:09 PM

This is the point where someone posts that Louis CK video where he talks about being white. I'm not going to post it, though.

If there was a way to make youtube embed emoticons, that would be my first nomination.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 01, 2013, 11:58:18 PM

Quote from: Boogie on July 01, 2013, 09:30:15 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 01, 2013, 09:26:11 PM

N-WORD VS C-WORD

PROTIP:  If one of them can be spelled out on a news ticker on basic cable, and one can't, you have your answer already.

Yup, nailed it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2013, 12:32:48 AM

Quote from: Yeti on July 01, 2013, 10:41:07 PM

This is CNN

NBA
NFL
NHL  :dayum

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:snoop

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2013, 01:16:30 AM

NASCAR

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 02, 2013, 01:17:53 AM

Niggardly

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2013, 06:39:26 AM

No Momo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 02, 2013, 12:29:50 PM

Next Gen

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2013, 12:36:59 PM

Xbox One

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 02, 2013, 01:02:57 PM

 ewb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2013, 04:01:14 PM

http://www.care2.com/causes/anonymous-hacks-neo-nazis-finds-ron-paul.html

Welp, in news that will shock probably only JayDubya, seems the Pauls were/are cozying up with neo nazis

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 02, 2013, 04:09:11 PM

If by "news" you mean "here's an article that is a year and a half old."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 02, 2013, 04:10:12 PM

Quote

In another passage, Kelso, a former Scientologist and account owner of other German Nazi forums, wrote: “I’ll be at CPAC from Feb. 9 to Feb. 12. I’ll send back reports to you from personal meetings with Ron Paul, newly-elected Senator Rand Paul and many others. It’ll be here on WhiteNewsNow, a place that is really starting to get interesting because of the presence of folks like you. Birds of a feather flock together, and we are really gathering some quality here.”

Read more: http://www.care2.com/causes/anonymous-hacks-neo-nazis-finds-ron-paul.html#ixzz2Xv9WPqpx

now THAT is a personal life decision trajectory i'm interested in hearing more about

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 02, 2013, 04:10:32 PM

Paultards won't care.  The dude is dam   ear perfect in their eyes.  Does 't matter a yways.  He's do e and Ra d would never have a chance in a Republican primary let alone a general election. 

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2013, 04:22:59 PM

Quote from: Boogie on July 02, 2013, 04:09:11 PM

If by "news" you mean "here's an article that is a year and a half old."

SHUT UP CANADIAN

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I don't bother checking dates to stuff I'm linked to :fbm

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 02, 2013, 05:23:09 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/RlxuV.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2013, 05:41:56 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on July 02, 2013, 05:23:09 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/RlxuV.jpg)

I'm sure this was just a John McCain-esque situation, where he didn't know for sure who he was meeting with, but don't worry because he definitely knows who the good conservatives are and he he has definitely not been palling around with racists.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 02, 2013, 05:56:11 PM

http://newsone.com/444922/opinion-ron-paul-is-a-white-supremacist/

:dayum

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 03, 2013, 11:46:42 AM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/apparently-facebook-friend-under-impression-ron-pa,33021/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/apparently-facebook-friend-under-impression-ron-pa,33021/)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 03, 2013, 12:30:26 PM

Poor FoC  :'(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 03, 2013, 04:46:25 PM

Morsi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiyYozeOoKs

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2013, 04:55:19 PM

Morsy is the Ron Paul of Egyptian politics; secretly supported by a majority of citizens, only to be be denied the presidency by political machinations and backroom wheeling-and-dealings of a handful of elite powerbrokers.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 03, 2013, 07:51:25 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-hopeful-in-colorado-state-senate-recall-wrote?ref=fpblg (http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-hopeful-in-colorado-state-senate-recall-wrote?ref=fpblg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2013, 08:12:52 PM

Someone track down a copy of the book and rename it Boretown Heat.

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/images/beantown-heat-cover.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 03, 2013, 09:05:58 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 02, 2013, 04:01:14 PM

http://www.care2.com/causes/anonymous-hacks-neo-nazis-finds-ron-paul.html

Welp, in news that will shock probably only JayDubya, seems the Pauls were/are cozying up with neo nazis

The 2008 run had Klansmen working for Paul's campaign openly and in an official capacity.  This should be shocking to nobody.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2013, 09:12:49 PM

But guys, Ron Paul supports ending the war on drugs, making him more pro-black than anyone else in the 2013 presidential race.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 04, 2013, 12:27:15 AM

libertarian is the black persons party

everyone will be equal under free market

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 04, 2013, 09:33:47 AM

Conservative rocker Ted Nugent says he’s considering running in 2016 and already has a campaign pitch: “Hi, I’m Ted Nugent. I have nine children from seven women, and I’m running for president.”

In a Washington Post Magazine story published this week, Nugent told Steve Hendrix that he was “thinking about it.”

Nugent’s wife of 24 years, Shemane, explained that he had talked about running before, “but this time he seems more serious. People are constantly asking him to run.”

In the 1980s and the mid-2000s, 66-year-old brother brother Jeff Nugent helped him do polling for a possible run for Michigan governor. At one point, New Mexico Republicans also attempted to draft him to run for governor of their state.

In the end, Nugent said that campaigning and governing would disrupt his hunting plans.

“I said, ‘Ted, I can help get you elected governor of Michigan,’” Jeff recalled. “‘You wouldn’t have to wear Brooks Brothers, but you would have to be fucking governor.’”

But things are different now. Nugent said that more Republicans than ever are asking him to run.

“Things are just so wrong in the country now,” the Motor City Madman observed. “And I know that my answers would make things wonderful, unless you just refuse to produce, and then I’d recommend that you move to Canada. Or Illinois.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2013, 09:37:31 AM

He's sure to have broad appeal outside of Tea Party extremists!

Also, how is that NOT an Onion article? Geez.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 04, 2013, 10:15:22 AM

Pfft. His comments about his draft dodging would be enough to sink a run for any office. Despicable.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 04, 2013, 10:20:34 AM

do it do it do it do it do it do it DO IT DO IT DO IT D-uuuuuuuuuuuuuuu :noah

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 04, 2013, 11:00:48 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 04, 2013, 10:15:22 AM

Pfft. His comments about his draft dodging would be enough to sink a run for any office. Despicable.

If sure his run will be every bit as serious as Donald Trump's.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2013, 02:21:03 PM

I never take that stuff seriously. Running for office is work. Hard work. You don't just show up on a ballot and run. You've got to shake hands, get endorsements, do town hall events, etc. The same reason Sarah Palin will never run for any meaningful office is the same reason Trump, Nugent, etc won't either: they don't want to put the work in.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 04, 2013, 02:40:41 PM

Rand Paul dated a black woman in college so Ron Paul is probably less racist than Lincoln. Who if you'll remember, was a Republican.

Are you going to say that the KKK liked Lincoln?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 04, 2013, 03:35:51 PM

White people freed the slaves. You don't have to thank us, Blacks :smug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2013, 01:00:52 PM

Jobs numbers:

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/07/strong-job-growth-continues-in-june.php?ref=fpblg

The U.S. economy added 195,000 jobs in June, according to an initial Bureau of Labor Statistics report issued Friday morning, exceeding analyst expectations and suggesting the economic recovery is enduring despite the contractionary effects of sequestration and higher taxes that took effect earlier this year, and recent statements from the Federal Reserve indicating an eagerness to begin winding down its stimulative policies.

The unemployment rate remains unchanged at 7.6 percent, but that’s notably not a reflection of inadequate job-creation, which on its own can sustain the current unemployment rate with fewer than 100,000 new payrolls a month.

Instead, the uptick is due to a welcome increase in the size of the labor force.

The best news in the report comes in revisions to previous months’ employment figures, which are subject to much less statistical uncertainty.
April figures bounced up from 149,000 to 199,000, after a mediocre initial showing of 138,000; May figures climbed from an initial count of 175,000 to 195,000, leaving the three month average just shy of an impressive 200,000 jobs a month

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2013, 01:14:18 PM

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/fec80ced6913a934a3ba818a29fe6f9d/tumblr_mp72i2NKoE1rr5t33o1_500.jpg)

I'm completely lost here

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2013, 01:15:31 PM

Black people are being marginalized by rude gays.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 05, 2013, 07:49:07 PM

Campy gays add a dash of colorful whimsy to an otherwise boring, drab commute.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 05, 2013, 09:18:53 PM

They want her to know they're gay. Not that she asked or cares.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2013, 10:31:12 PM

Quote from: Yeti on July 05, 2013, 07:49:07 PM

Campy gays add a dash of colorful whimsy to an otherwise boring, drab commute. A good cartoon.

.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on July 06, 2013, 10:45:22 AM

they're sitting where mister parks sat, after they spirited him away to a gay buggery fema camp where he is being homoborted by obama. it's only now dawning on rosa that the bus is taking her to a lesbian crafting and scissoring commune, and that the homogays are there to get her shoe size and fit her for a socks/birks combo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 06, 2013, 11:47:21 AM

 :obama its good to have you back

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 06, 2013, 12:04:47 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on July 06, 2013, 10:45:22 AM

they're sitting where mister parks sat, after they spirited him away to a gay buggery fema camp where he is being homoborted by obama. it's only now dawning on rosa that the bus is taking her to a lesbian crafting and scissoring commune, and that the homogays are there to get her shoe size and fit her for a socks/birks combo

jesus christ :dead

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2013, 01:15:31 PM

Black people are being marginalized by rude gays.

Finally, black people aren't the bad guys in America. Thanks, gay people!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2013, 03:09:28 PM

http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2013/07/morsi-brotherhood-lost-egypt-bsabry.html

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 08, 2013, 12:53:02 AM

If he and Weiner both win, they should by law have to be in a sitcom together

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 08, 2013, 06:23:11 PM

Weinerspitzel

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on July 08, 2013, 07:01:38 PM

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2013, 09:41:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyy55KSQQnw

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2013, 12:47:33 AM

 :what

christ that dude needs to just die

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 09, 2013, 03:00:00 PM

http://www.obozosamerica.com/index.htm

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 09, 2013, 03:46:13 PM

That Sunday church lady hair scares me. Like it's just going to fly off and turn into Medusa.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 09, 2013, 05:11:11 PM

man, that obozo link is amazing

http://www.obozosamerica.com/new/burden.htm

Comedy dynamite.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2013, 05:22:18 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33LVHl0w2Z4

:whew

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2013, 05:22:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ctGS4RX.png)

Only $1000? Mitt Romney farts out tax exemptions higher than that. This seems like it should be a Working Person's Burden card to me.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 09, 2013, 07:31:49 PM

But bro, like, food stamps and shit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on July 10, 2013, 12:24:02 PM

sorry to keep pelting this thread with nonsense but...

(http://i.imgur.com/ngyHR1N.jpg)

who...is...john...galt...? :stahp

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 10, 2013, 03:22:17 PM

good lord  :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2013, 03:49:10 PM

Obama is rounding up all the libertarians in this country and grinding them up into food pulp with his massive gullet, which he will then feed to the poor and needy. A good comic.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 10, 2013, 03:49:49 PM

Sean Delonas has done some truly inspired work in his time.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 10, 2013, 04:51:01 PM

Nice to see Attack on Titan getting some exposure with non-otaku audiences.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2013, 05:42:53 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 10, 2013, 05:22:57 PM

Looks like it was a shitty bill that led Democrats to join a filibuster.

Not that it matters. Even if they'd gotten 59 votes on it, it still would have failed.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2013, 07:58:21 PM

Rather annoying to see Obama siding with republicans on this shitty 10 year treasury note tie-in for the student loans bill.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 12:30:45 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/opinion/the-decline-of-north-carolina.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/opinion/the-decline-of-north-carolina.html?_r=0)

Great editorial on the state of the modern GOP through the lense of a single state.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 11, 2013, 02:56:21 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 11, 2013, 12:30:45 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/opinion/the-decline-of-north-carolina.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/opinion/the-decline-of-north-carolina.html?_r=0)

Great editorial on the state of the modern GOP through the lense of a single state.

:fbm

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 13, 2013, 06:19:11 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/40145/large/erick.PNG?1373694453)
(http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/hangers.JPG)

 :lenowned

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2013, 07:39:26 PM

Erick, son of Erick has no time for your leftist shenanigans.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 13, 2013, 08:24:53 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 13, 2013, 06:19:11 PM

http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/40145/large/erick.PNG?1373694453
http://cloudfront.mediamatters.org/static/images/item/hangers.JPG

 :lenowned

I misread those ones in the bottom right as "slut hangers"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 13, 2013, 09:46:17 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2013, 07:39:26 PM

Erick, son of Erick has no time for your leftist shenanigans.

:lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2013, 02:49:42 PM

Not falling for this shit. Reid is a creature of the Senate, and will always side with options that preserve precedent and "the way things always were." I'm even less convinced due to his behavior. Typically when someone keeps saying "you better stop doing x, or I'm gonna do y any day now!" you know that person is fronting. If he was serious he would have made one threat, and then pulled the trigger shortly after republicans violated the rules.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2013, 03:06:25 PM

Don't worry, filibuster rules will be changed soon enough.
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/nate-silver-predicts-gop-holding-50-51-senate?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2013, 03:29:01 PM

I think that even if Reid really wanted to change the filibuster rules, there aren't 50 dem votes to do it.  So huffing and puffing is all he really has to do about it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2013, 03:30:48 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 15, 2013, 03:29:37 PM

I'm not going to put too much stock in predictions 16 months out.

Yeah, they were supposed to retake the Senate last time and ended up nominating a bunch of rape enthusiasts, so who knows.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2013, 05:11:24 PM

It's worth remembering this isn't about the filibuster in general - it's about ending the filibuster for cabinet/executive nominees. Bills will still require 60. The media and republicans have framed this as "nuking the filibuster" when in reality it's more like downgrading an aspect of filibusters.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 15, 2013, 05:26:11 PM

The two people that Awesome-O hates the most: duckroll and Harry Reid

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 15, 2013, 05:27:22 PM

Harry Reid's gonna be sipping tropical drinks on a sunny beach with LeBron and the Academy member who cast the deciding vote against Avatar.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2013, 06:10:28 PM

The menu's item of the day will be roasted rabbit.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2013, 06:51:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2013, 06:10:28 PM

The menu's item of the day will be roasted rabbit.

 :oreilly

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 15, 2013, 07:02:20 PM

How do some of you guys post political topics on Facebook? Do you purge every right-winger from your friend's list beforehand?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 15, 2013, 07:09:21 PM

If only we could do it in reality :ussrcry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 15, 2013, 07:26:20 PM

edit: goddamit didn't read mandark's post

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 15, 2013, 07:26:47 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 15, 2013, 07:02:20 PM

How do some of you guys post political topics on Facebook? Do you purge every right-winger from your friend's list beforehand?

Most of my friends on the right have either defriended me on FB or I am guessing have me on ignore.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 15, 2013, 08:27:02 PM

i defriended most acquaintances that say ignorant bullshit on my page because i dont want to see that. as far as family goes, only the lefties go on rants, while the right-wingers keep it to themselves aside from the occasional concern trolling bs. i think all of them have me on ignore because when i do say something political its usually forceful and angry as fuck and theyre too polite to argue or say something. the only time i really get in fb arguments is when i go in someone elses comments and start some shit.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 15, 2013, 09:02:14 PM

I used to post political issues, mostly uncontroversial stuff (ex. rape bad), but I came to find out that several of my friends, turned out to be extreme conservatives. If you had a conversation with them about anything non-political, you never would have guessed in a million years (hell, one of them's gay, even). I've had some unfortunate experiences where I lost two friends who I've known for like 12 years cause of politics so I try to be careful about that shit nowadays.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 15, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 15, 2013, 07:02:20 PM

How do some of you guys post political topics on Facebook? Do you purge every right-winger from your friend's list beforehand?

No, I don't like talking about politics on Facebook.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2013, 09:06:51 PM

I rarely post political stuff on my Facebook. Actually I rarely use my Facebook...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 15, 2013, 09:08:27 PM

Quote from: The Experiment on July 15, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 15, 2013, 07:02:20 PM

How do some of you guys post political topics on Facebook? Do you purge every right-winger from your friend's list beforehand?

No, I don't like talking about politics on Facebook.

Facebook is kinda like a bar. My dad taught me three things you do not talk about in a bar were politics, god or the lack thereof, and another man's woman.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 15, 2013, 09:13:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 15, 2013, 09:08:27 PM

Quote from: The Experiment on July 15, 2013, 09:06:06 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 15, 2013, 07:02:20 PM

How do some of you guys post political topics on Facebook? Do you purge every right-winger from your friend's list beforehand?

No, I don't like talking about politics on Facebook.

Facebook is kinda like a bar. My dad taught me three things you do not talk about in a bar were politics, god or the lack thereof, and another man's woman.

I'd like to hope I have more shit going on in my life and more interests than just talking politics. 

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2013, 10:27:42 PM

CNN is reporting that the deal to avoid nuking  the filibuster is dead; time to shit or get off the pot.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2013, 01:22:17 PM

Quote

Reports out of the Senate suggest a deal to allow for a confirmation vote for Richard Cordray to head up the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau has been struck.

Quote

Senate Ds willing to replace two NLRB noms with new noms as long as they're picked by Obama & fast-tracked to confirmation by Aug. 27.

 :sabu

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2013, 02:24:24 PM

I'm surprised Kos is defending this.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 16, 2013, 02:43:16 PM

Maybe it's cause I have abysmally low expectations, but I'm pretty pleased with what happened. Cordray and Jackson getting appointed heads of the CPFB and EPA are arguably two of the most important accomplishments Obama will have in his second term.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 16, 2013, 08:57:36 PM

No one cares about this?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 16, 2013, 10:05:25 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2013, 10:27:42 PM

CNN is reporting that the deal to avoid nuking  the filibuster is dead; time to shit or get off the pot.

Not sure why anyone would back the democrats here. :-/

Ramming a candidate through may sound like a sound short term solution, for sure. But the more intelligent of you know how this will end up.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 16, 2013, 10:10:11 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ONEcoq9pjac

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 16, 2013, 10:11:52 PM

Yet another bad idea.

I'd rather put my paltry sum of money in Citi's pot than Joe Wiebashes' credit union.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2013, 10:40:21 PM

I wish Warren asked the Australian chick to name some of the "countless" reports she had allegedly read.  :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 16, 2013, 10:42:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2013, 10:40:21 PM

I wish Warren asked the Australian chick to name some of the "countless" reports she had allegedly read.  :lol

Bet there would be a neogaf link in there somewhere.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2013, 11:29:52 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 16, 2013, 10:05:25 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2013, 10:27:42 PM

CNN is reporting that the deal to avoid nuking  the filibuster is dead; time to shit or get off the pot.

Not sure why anyone would back the democrats here. :-/

Ramming a candidate through may sound like a sound short term solution, for sure. But the more intelligent of you know how this will end up.

Ramming through candidates? One of them just passed with 66 votes in the Senate. This has nothing to do with voting down a bad nomination and everything to do with the Republicans not wanting ANYONE to pass through to these bureaus.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2013, 12:13:17 AM

It's almost like the party that constantly says government is good for nothing is trying to keep the government from doing anything, so that they can appear right.

Almost.  I'm sure they're not that cynical, right guys?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2013, 09:30:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ONEcoq9pjac

:lawd

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2013, 10:43:41 AM

Nah breh, Jim Cramer sets us straight

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/jim-cramer-says-warren-didnt-best-cnbc-anchors?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2013, 11:43:00 AM

:bow In Jim Cramer We Trust. :bow2

http://www.theonion.com/articles/everyone-who-started-watching-mad-money-in-2005-no,32346/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2013, 04:43:50 PM

Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/16/senate-filibuster-mcconnell_n_3607352.html?ncid=txtlnkushpmg00000037

McConnell and Reid first met on Monday afternoon in an unscheduled meeting about two hours after McCain sat with the majority leader. "Mitch, I know you came to see me, but let me just start off by telling you: I have the votes," Reid told McConnell, according to an aide Reid briefed immediately after. "Say whatever you want, but I have the votes."

"Here's my offer," McConnell responded. "You'll get all your nominees, but you have to agree that there'll be no more rules changes."

McConnell would have let the controversial National Labor Relations Board nominees pass -- despite GOP objections that two courts have deemed their recess appoints unconstitutional -- in return for an iron-clad promise from Reid to forsake the nuclear option -- the controversial procedure that would allow a simple majority to change Senate rules, instead of the usual supermajority.

"The key point is that [McConnell] backed off all of his other demands yesterday and again today and said he'd give us everyone [all the nominees] as long as Reid agreed not to go nuclear this Congress," another Democratic aide said. "Reid refused twice. At the end, that was his single, solitary demand and he didn't get it."

"He left empty-handed and has just been completely humiliated by his own caucus," said another aide.

:obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 17, 2013, 07:58:05 PM

Harry Reid > Kobe

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2013, 08:50:11 PM

Mormon Mamba

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2013, 09:03:34 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/anti-gay-activists-praise-maine-governor-for-crude?ref=fpb
 :dead

These people will always exist in pockets of the country somewhere. Some pockets larger than others. Still it feels good knowing most of the country is changing around them.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2013, 09:16:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2013, 09:03:34 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/anti-gay-activists-praise-maine-governor-for-crude?ref=fpb
 :dead

These people will always exist in pockets of the country somewhere. Some pockets larger than others. Still it feels good knowing most of the country is changing around them.

(http://talkingpointsmemo.com/assets_c/2013/06/paul-lepage-vaseline-cropped-proto-custom_24.jpg)

"One in the pink, one in the stink, as written in Leviticus 12:36."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 17, 2013, 09:44:17 PM

pockets? they seem to be doing a pretty good job of fucking shit up on the state level all over the place

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 18, 2013, 11:34:04 AM

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/07/15/fox-guest-decries-immigration-reform-naturalize/194893

Quote

CUTLER: I had a front-row seat to the '86 amnesty. If you give lawful status to a bunch of illegal aliens who are being exploited, guess what, they will no longer be willing to be exploited. They will demand to be paid on the books, they will have the right to expect that they will be treated equally as Americans, but more importantly, they will have an equal standing in a labor pool that's already unable to find work. An alien who is naturalized or given employment authorization legally cannot be discriminated against, so they could get the same jobs that Americans desperately need to avoid losing their homes to foreclose.

 :umad

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2013, 12:03:15 PM

Today on "Whoops, I forgot I wasn't at the country club!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2013, 02:21:38 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 18, 2013, 11:34:04 AM

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/07/15/fox-guest-decries-immigration-reform-naturalize/194893

Quote

CUTLER: I had a front-row seat to the '86 amnesty. If you give lawful status to a bunch of illegal aliens who are being exploited, guess what, they will no longer be willing to be exploited. They will demand to be paid on the books, they will have the right to expect that they will be treated equally as Americans, but more importantly, they will have an equal standing in a labor pool that's already unable to find work. An alien who is naturalized or given employment authorization legally cannot be discriminated against, so they could get the same jobs that Americans desperately need to avoid losing their homes to foreclose.

 :umad

You're not supposed to say that out loud!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 18, 2013, 09:54:00 PM

Detroit filed for bankruptcy today: http://www.freep.com/article/20130718/NEWS01/307180107/

Edit: Looks like it was done under some shady circumstances: http://www.freep.com/article/20130718/NEWS06/307180130/detroit-bankruptcy-king-pension-ingham

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An emergency hearing for a lawsuit involving Detroit's pensions funds was delayed for 5 minutes today, at the request of attorneys for Gov. Rick Snyder. During that time the city filed its request for Chapter 9 bankruptcy protection

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 18, 2013, 11:15:39 PM

Awesome-o bait:

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/07/senate-deal-nuclear-option-fragile.php?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2013, 12:15:05 AM

A WILD AWESOME-O APPEARS!  YOU USE OBVIOUS FILIBUSTER TROLL BAIT!  IT'S WILDLY EFFECTIVE!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2013, 12:26:00 AM

The CFPB will only be effective so long as there's a Democrat in office.  Never forget that Republicans just don't believe in government, so they'll appoint their horse judge buddies to run, say, FEMA and then act surprised when shit needs to get done and everything falls apart.  I'm sure President Christie won't hesitate to appoint someone from the Chamber of Commerce to head the CFPB when he's elected, which is why it's important to keep driving stakes through the hearts of these vampires until they're all fucking dead.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 19, 2013, 12:39:47 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 18, 2013, 11:15:39 PM

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/07/senate-deal-nuclear-option-fragile.php?ref=fpb

Maybe I'm missing something, but wasn't everything described in the article already understood?

This isn't a legislative compromise, where you can't go back once everyone's voted and it's become law.  This was a procedural compromise, where each side made promises about future behavior to the other: we won't use the nuclear option, and you'll stop being so obstructionist about executive branch nominees.  The enforcement mechanism was always going to be the threat to renege, no?

Also, I'd expect a lot of these cloture votes to be close, and that won't necessarily mean the outcome is up in the air.  To get to 60, you'll need six GOP votes.  The climate right now is that all Republican politicians want to avoid ever voting with Obama if they can help it, even in obscure cases, lest they get the RINO label and a primary challenge.  There's a good chance most Senate Republicans want to preserve this deal, but as few individuals as possible will want to bite the bullet themselves.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2013, 12:39:56 AM

I'm not worried about a republican getting into the White House anytime soon, assuming Hillary runs. Some truly crazy shit would have to happen in order for that to happen, like a 2008-esque crash or huge scandal. And considering Rand Paul is the current front runner, I'll just sit back and chill as dat white voters percentage lowers every year.

I'm quite excited about Cordray.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2013, 06:39:35 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/18/us/michigan-detroit-howdy-doody/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Detroit's about to get looted.  :'(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2013, 11:46:07 AM

It was looted a long time ago, given that so much of the city's taxes are siphoned out and given to other cities.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2013, 10:53:28 PM

Nate Silver is bringing his gay numbers to ESPN/ABC

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/20/business/media/nate-silver-blogger-for-new-york-times-is-to-join-espn-staff.html?_r=0

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2013, 10:55:19 PM

I might get cable just to see his first live altercation with Skip Bayless.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2013, 10:57:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2013, 10:55:19 PM

I might get cable just to see his first live altercation with Skip Bayless.

They're probably gonna have him be on Olbermann's new show, and do stuff with Baseball Tonight.  I hope he goes on SVP & Russillo sometimes.  I highly doubt he'll ever interact with Skip.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2013, 11:17:35 PM

Olberman...nevermind, I remember why I won't be getting cable.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 20, 2013, 01:32:50 PM

Helen Thomas dead at 92  :(

Such a badass

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2013, 01:58:03 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OfcxUiZCHQ

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 20, 2013, 02:43:17 PM

 :comeon

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 20, 2013, 04:07:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiIaNh0NlGo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2013, 08:56:59 PM

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM

That storm they show at 00:40....isn't that technically a hurricane?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2013, 09:19:09 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM

That storm they show at 00:40....isn't that technically a hurricane?

So was the storm in Sharknado, it just had tornadoes that formed inside of it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2013, 09:26:16 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2013, 09:19:09 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM

That storm they show at 00:40....isn't that technically a hurricane?

So was the storm in Sharknado, it just had tornadoes that formed inside of it.

It's that attention to detail that makes Karl Rove the best in the biz.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 09:28:20 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2013, 09:19:09 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM

That storm they show at 00:40....isn't that technically a hurricane?

So was the storm in Sharknado, it just had tornadoes that formed inside of it.

Really? I expect way more meteorological accuracy from Sci-fi than I do from Karl Rove.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2013, 09:34:54 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 09:28:20 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2013, 09:19:09 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 08:58:00 PM

That storm they show at 00:40....isn't that technically a hurricane?

So was the storm in Sharknado, it just had tornadoes that formed inside of it.

Really? I expect way more meteorological accuracy from Sci-fi than I do from Karl Rove.

http://www.scilogs.com/from_the_lab_bench/storms-inside-storms-how-hurricanes-spawn-tornadoes/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 20, 2013, 09:53:21 PM

Well, shit. Owned on a technicality.  :'(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Atramental on July 21, 2013, 02:08:43 PM

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/07/18/virginia-gop-gubernatorial-candidate-wants-to-outlaw-oral-sex-even-for-married-couples/

 :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2013, 03:00:12 PM

"If we don't outlaw it, pedophiles will go free"

Seems like quite a tough argument to make bro. Certainly there are ways to convict child rapists without banning oral and anal sex. Legal oral/anal does not mean it's legal to do either on a minor.  :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2013, 12:57:42 PM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/univisi-n-ranks-first-in-july-ratings

Univisión, an American Spanish language broadcast network, announced Monday that it placed first in the July sweeps, ranking ahead of ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX.

 :obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2013, 01:12:51 PM

Oh please let the immigration bill fail

please please please

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2013, 08:43:34 PM

You thought Benghazi was dead? Think again, bitches!

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/terrorism/312539-conservatives-seek-to-put-pressure-on-boehner-with-60-foot-long-benghazi-petition#ixzz2Zn0N0pXq

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Republican leaders are coming under new pressure from conservatives to allow a House vote on legislation that would form a special committee to investigate the Benghazi, Libya, attack.

Rep. Steve Stockman (R-Texas) is circulating a discharge petition that would force GOP leaders to allow a House vote on forming a committee to investigate events leading up to the terrorist attack last year on the U.S. mission in Benghazi, Libya, as well as the Obama administration’s response.

Conservative lawmakers have been pressing for the creation of a special committee, but GOP leaders have resisted, arguing existing panels can investigate the incident on their own.

If Stockman can get 218 House members to support his discharge petition, it would force a vote on the House floor.

Discharge petitions are very rarely introduced by members of the party that’s in power.

They invariably infuriate leadership since they’re a way to get around the scheduling process for bills, which is controlled by the majority leader, in this case, Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.).

To promote his effort, Stockman, an outspoken freshman, will unveil on Tuesday a 60-foot-long scroll signed by 1,000 special operations veterans who support the select committee. Supporters tout it as the largest petition ever presented to Congress, and Stockman plans to unroll it down the Capitol’s steps.

60 foot long petition? This just got real (stupid)!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2013, 08:47:18 PM

hahaha

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 23, 2013, 02:43:08 AM

In Harry Potter they measured documents in feet. It finally makes sense now that Dumbledore was gay.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 23, 2013, 11:03:06 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig9jS0xeRZI

This pompous asshole has all the answers to fix black people problems. SMFH

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 23, 2013, 11:16:12 AM

Quote

“to reinstate Virginia’s unconstitutional Crimes Against Nature law,"

bwAHHhahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa




.... no wait he's serious. loooooooooooool.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2013, 04:07:32 PM

http://nbclatino.com/2013/07/23/iowas-rep-king-for-every-valedictorian-dreamer-100-are-hauling-marijuana-across-the-desert/

Quote

Iowa conservative Republican Congressman Steve King said in an interview with Newsmax that for every valedictorian DREAMer who has been brought to this country by his or her family, “…there’s another 100 out there who, they weigh 130 pounds and they’ve got calves the size of cantaloupes because they’re hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert. Those people would be legalized with the same act.”

Just keep it coming, guys. Surely this can have zero consequences.

(http://abload.de/img/fox_zimmerman_laughs_z8set.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2013, 04:59:55 PM

Weiner is out of control!

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/anthony-weiner-responds-to-alleged-new-sex-chats?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2013, 09:13:23 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 23, 2013, 11:03:06 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig9jS0xeRZI

This pompous asshole has all the answers to fix black people problems. SMFH

Well he's right about the destruction of the black family being the major cause of this. But what helped lead to the destruction of the black family? He dismisses poor education and poverty as if they're excuses, when in reality they put many cities on this path. And drugs. He's right, ask anyone over 40 years old in Detroit about what destroyed the city and they'll say drugs. Obviously the auto industry, highways, redlining, and racist zoning had a major impact too but I doubt he'd want to discuss any of that.

He's basically telling people to pull their bootstraps up, when many don't have bootstraps and might get randomly shot out of nowhere.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 23, 2013, 10:29:05 PM

So stop trying to always defend him, PD.  Bill is as much as an asshole and moron as Hannity.  Bill is just a much more coherent moron.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2013, 10:51:02 PM

If I can defend symbios, pre-black friend FoC, Manabyte, and Am_I_Anonymous then I can defend Bill god dammit.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 23, 2013, 10:58:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2013, 10:51:02 PM

If I can defend symbios, pre-black friend FoC, Manabyte, and Am_I_Anonymous then I can defend Bill god dammit.

Nice picks.  You are truly the Joe Dumars of the Bore.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2013, 11:03:52 PM

They're all undersized power forwards.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2013, 01:16:33 AM

Power bottoms, you mean.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on July 24, 2013, 12:57:38 PM

http://ignatzisunfunny.tumblr.com/

these are pretty great

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2013, 09:10:14 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 24, 2013, 03:58:06 PM

So Obama's speech today was pretty good.

Of course it was, he read it off a teleprompter

 :oreilly

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2013, 09:30:53 PM

Teleprompter-in-Chief

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 25, 2013, 02:03:50 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/groundswell-rightwing-group-ginni-thomas

Quote

"We need to reframe this. This narrative of the Left has already taken hold in MD. The words 'Voter ID' are already lost & equated with racism. Maybe a 'free and fair elections initiative' with a heavy emphasis on avoiding ANY voter disenfranchisement combined with an identification requirement which includes a broader range of documents.
In response, Tapscott suggested, "How about 'Election Integrity'?" And Gaffney weighed in: "I like it." Fitton noted that Judicial Watch had an "Election Integrity Project." Boyle proposed, "Fair and equal elections," explaining, "Terms 'fair' and 'equal' connect with most people. It's why the left uses them." Then came True the Vote's Anita MonCrief: "We do a lot under the Election Integrity Banner. Does not resonate with the people. Voter Rights may be better. We really have been trying to get the messaging right."

Quote

At another point, List emailed Ginni Thomas an idea for an anti-Obama ad that he thought could go viral:

    A 15 sec internet [YouTube ad] featuring ethnically diverse children on a merry-go-round [soft music]…
    Nuclear explosion.
    Two bullet points on the facts.
    Call to action:
    Tell President Obama & Congress not to cut our nation's defense.

Thomas posted the note for all in Groundswell to see. "Brilliant idea," she commented. "…Taker?"

Quote

    Issues matter. Details matter. Substance matters. But theme matters more. Substance matters only as it helps to reinforce the themes.

    We all lament the difficulty we have persuading Americans. After all, we have the facts, figures, and data to prove our points. Why can't we persuade? There are many tactics we can use to help persuade (telling stories, finding victims, tempering tone). But these tactics pale in comparison to the importance of providing a context…a theme…to help people organize their thoughts and opinions.

 :lol :lol :lol These people. This must be what going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow looks like.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2013, 02:04:41 PM

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 25, 2013, 02:08:42 PM

I can't wait for Clarence Thomas's wife, Breitbart.com, Daily Caller, Allen West, and the Family Research Council to save the Conservative movement! That's a brain trust you can trust.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2013, 11:57:02 PM

I suspect the current GOP's only strategy going forward is waiting until another recession hits.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 26, 2013, 07:05:46 AM

Quote from: The Experiment on July 25, 2013, 11:57:02 PM

I suspect the current GOP's only strategy going forward is waiting until another recession hits. to make every effort to bring another recession about.

Fixed that for ya.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2013, 09:19:02 AM

The VRA is totally out-dated, guys, we don't need that anymore, times have cha-

Quote from: http://editors.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2013/07/nc_moves_ahead_with_voting_crackdown.php?ref=fpblg

In order to limit the votes of their political opponents, North Carolina Republicans - freed up from the restrictions of the Voting Rights Act are pushing through a raft of new voting restrictions including Voter ID, dramatically curtailed early voting, an end to same day registration. A popular high school program designed to register high school students in time for their 18th birthdays is also getting the axe.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 26, 2013, 09:23:02 AM

Reading more about that law, it disenfranchises tens of thousands of gop voters too. But it disenfranchises more Dem voters so it's worth passing.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2013, 09:26:16 AM

A net gain for Republicans! Great success!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 26, 2013, 09:32:23 AM

As disgusting as politics can be here in Germany, it's funny how transparently vicious and asinine yours are. It's like everything is turned up to eleven without any shame whatsoever.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 26, 2013, 10:20:17 AM

Quote from: Rufus on July 26, 2013, 09:32:23 AM

As disgusting as politics can be here in Germany, it's funny how transparently vicious and asinine yours are. It's like everything is turned up to eleven without any shame whatsoever.

You know if Hitler didn't kill himself, he could potentially be the father of any voting age German.

So yeah.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 26, 2013, 10:29:48 AM

He may have been a charismatic orator, but Genghis Khan he was not.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 26, 2013, 11:57:09 AM

He uh...committed treason. Whether you think he was right or wrong it's pretty clear how the system of laws and justice and shit is going to have to respond to that.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 26, 2013, 12:35:53 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on July 26, 2013, 11:57:09 AM

He uh...committed treason. Whether you think he was right or wrong it's pretty clear how the system of laws and justice and shit is going to have to respond to that.

I gotta agree.  It would be pretty stupid of Holder and of the government not to charge him with something.  People with clearance would have no fear to leak anything else they could get their hands on.  It's all for show anyways.  No fucking way is Snowden ever setting foot somewhere that the US could grab him.  But there is a message that needs to be sent. 

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 26, 2013, 01:08:03 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 26, 2013, 11:52:55 AM

The letter itself comes off as pretty reasonable... if you start with the assumption that what Snowden did was a crime.

Which it is.  So...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 26, 2013, 01:26:30 PM

There's no debating that Snowden committed a crime.  He's not hiding in a Russian airport because he thinks there's a reasonable chance he would be acquitted.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 26, 2013, 01:41:26 PM

Ah, I see we dimensional-vortexed into GS's hypothetical fantasy world, where drug dealers aren't violent and eugenics programs are rationally and sensibly implemented.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2013, 01:41:44 PM

Dunno about the NC thing. The state IDs are going to be free, which makes them easier to access than some other forms of ID in many states. People have more than three years to acquire an ID. And you can still vote early for ten days, which seems like it's enough to me.

Now, if they leave the "straight ticket" option on ballots and throw out every ballot that checks it, then I'll have a big problem. But right now it seems like all this stuff is easily manageable if people want to vote, and 2016 features a good ground game - both of which will happen. Black turnout increased in 2012 largely because of these various voter restriction attempts, and I think that will continue in four years even without Obama on the ballot. It gives people the grievance ("they're trying to take our vote away") to vote. I went to the barber shop a couple times during the lead up to the election and constantly saw voter information drives focused on what republicans were trying to do.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 26, 2013, 03:25:49 PM

No, I do not.

Also:  you're doing it wrong.

You see, I was using some previous statements you have made on this forum as a quick, admittedly snarky way of referencing how you seem to analyze events/concepts/whatever according to an idealized idea of The Way Things Should Be, as opposed to, you know, how things actually are, in reality.

Whereas you simply bastardized an anecdote I threw out once, as what is essentially a non-sequitor as it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

....and now you have forced me to destroy the attempted pithy-ness of my remark with overexplanation.  Damn you Shinobi!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 26, 2013, 03:50:41 PM

Snowden committed a crime knowingly.  I don't think your moral approval is exculpatory, but I'm not a lawyer.

And man, do you talk about anything without it being the best/worst thing ever?  C'mon.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 26, 2013, 04:02:00 PM

I'm pretty sure we got that.

The issue is, on what basis do they not prosecute?  The fact that you personally approve of what he did?  Going forward, are there criteria that could be applied consistently and reliably that would clear Snowden of any criminal charges in this case but not give every government employee de facto permission to leak everything they know, regardless of secrecy/confidentiality policy?

The rule of law is somewhat important and there ought to be a more solid standard for exceptions than "Well, I think what he did was right."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2013, 04:03:47 PM

If Snowden really wanted to commit a crime and get away with it, clearly he should have shot a black teenager in Floridia.

 :jawalrus

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 26, 2013, 04:17:42 PM

A presidential pardon would be the opposite of a clear, broadly applicable rule.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on July 26, 2013, 04:33:26 PM

Even though I think Snowden did the right thing and not for any personal gain, I would want the Justice department to make every effort to prosecute him. His only chance of not going to prison is Law & Order style jury nullification or a presidential pardon, neither of which is likely since nobody likes the idea of a highly publicized crime getting special treatment.

Long story short, ideologues need to learn Russian.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2013, 04:56:30 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 26, 2013, 01:35:27 PM

He brought a massive spying operation to light. He should be lauded if anything.

Best thing that I could ever hope to see in my life is a jury refusing to convict him. That would easily be the greatest jury nullification of all time.

Sure, he'll be lauded. We'll probably name a holiday after him, like Guy Fawkes Day, to be held annually on the day of Snowden's public execution.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 26, 2013, 06:38:03 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 26, 2013, 05:29:15 PM

Does this kind of thing happen in other modern democracies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSUKMa1cYHk

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 26, 2013, 10:09:51 PM

Looks like Obama is using his UN thugs to gay-ify the world

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/un-launches-campaign-to-fight-anti-lgbt-violence-change-attitudes.php?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2013, 07:02:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxH1GnQPEqE
crazy Vietnam story, wow

rip

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2013, 11:55:04 AM

So, I guess there's this:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/31/nsa-top-secret-program-online-data

Quote

XKeyscore, the documents boast, is the NSA's "widest reaching" system developing intelligence from computer networks – what the agency calls Digital Network Intelligence (DNI). One presentation claims the program covers "nearly everything a typical user does on the internet", including the content of emails, websites visited and searches, as well as their metadata.

Analysts can also use XKeyscore and other NSA systems to obtain ongoing "real-time" interception of an individual's internet activity.

Under US law, the NSA is required to obtain an individualized Fisa warrant only if the target of their surveillance is a 'US person', though no such warrant is required for intercepting the communications of Americans with foreign targets. But XKeyscore provides the technological capability, if not the legal authority, to target even US persons for extensive electronic surveillance without a warrant provided that some identifying information, such as their email or IP address, is known to the analyst.

One training slide illustrates the digital activity constantly being collected by XKeyscore and the analyst's ability to query the databases at any time.

:bow At least America is still #1 at something. :bow2

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2013, 02:18:38 PM

Quote

Obama Gives ‘Full-Throated Defense’ Of Larry Summers In Closed Door Meeting

President Barack Obama gave a "full-throated defense" of his possible Fed chair nominee, Larry Summers, in a closed-door meeting with House Democrats Wednesday, a lawmaker in the room told the Huffington Post.

Another lawmaker who was present in the room said the president defended Summers after Rep. Ed Perlmutter (D-CO) walked to the microphone and said "Larry Summers. Bad Choice." The lawmaker, who was paraphrasing Obama, also recalled the president saying, "Hey, don't talk sh*t about him because he's actually a pretty good guy. And then he said, 'If somebody talked sh*t about you like that, I'd defend you too," according to the Huffington Post. The lawmaker said the president did not use the expletive.

Two other Democrats in the room said the president also criticized the Huffington Post for turning Summers into what Obama called a "progressive whipping boy.”

Senate Democrats signaled Tuesday that Summers' confirmation would face unlikely odds.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/obama-gives-full-throated-defense-of-summers-in

:fbm

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 31, 2013, 09:46:31 PM

Larry Summers is the quintessential example of failing upwards

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: drew on August 02, 2013, 08:42:18 PM

well, fuck.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323997004578641993388259674-lMyQjAxMTAzMDAwMTEwNDEyWj.html

FBI can remotely turn on the mic in your Android phone evidently...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 02, 2013, 09:51:04 PM

Andrex, explain.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 03, 2013, 08:47:15 AM

Quote from: drew on August 02, 2013, 08:42:18 PM

well, fuck.

http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424127887323997004578641993388259674-lMyQjAxMTAzMDAwMTEwNDEyWj.html

FBI can remotely turn on the mic in your Android phone evidently...

Under a court order.

Planning on doing anything that would subject yourself to a Title III investigation, dumbass?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 03, 2013, 05:50:57 PM

Getting a court order doesn't seem to be much of a hurdle to jump over these days.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2013, 03:03:23 PM

Man, I can't wait for 2016. :drool

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQqGrnACYAARzCq.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 04, 2013, 03:08:35 PM

What a bunch of commie liberal pinkos.  They don't plan on eliminating Education and HUD?  VOTE SANTORUM 2016.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2013, 03:22:23 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 04, 2013, 03:08:35 PM

What a bunch of commie liberal pinkos.  They don't plan on eliminating Education and HUD?  VOTE SANTORUM 2016.

Them corporate-run charter schools ain't gonna fund themselves.  :aah

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 04, 2013, 06:28:44 PM

Oliver North :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2013, 06:29:19 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2013, 03:03:23 PM

Man, I can't wait for 2016. :drool

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BQqGrnACYAARzCq.jpg)

:rofl

The delusion, the dedication :lawd

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 04, 2013, 09:08:56 PM

Quote from: Yeti on August 03, 2013, 05:50:57 PM

Getting a court order doesn't seem to be much of a hurdle to jump over these days.

I know you're just being cheeky, but the techniques described fall under the same requirements as a traditional wiretap, which means the investigators must cover off both their grounds/probable cause, as well as demonstrating exhaustion.  Which is to say, it has the most demanding requirements of any judicial authorization in law enforcemet's arsenal.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2013, 07:42:15 PM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-tamerlan-tsarnaev-was-in-possession-of-right

The BBC learned over the course of its reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older of the two bombing suspects who was killed during a confrontation with police days after the marathon bombings, possessed material asserting that 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies. One article in his possession dealt with the "rape of our gun rights," while another suggested that "Hitler had a point."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2013, 04:20:06 PM

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Tristam on August 06, 2013, 08:34:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2013, 07:42:15 PM

Quote from: http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/report-tamerlan-tsarnaev-was-in-possession-of-right

The BBC learned over the course of its reporting that Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the older of the two bombing suspects who was killed during a confrontation with police days after the marathon bombings, possessed material asserting that 9/11 and the Oklahoma City bombing were government conspiracies. One article in his possession dealt with the "rape of our gun rights," while another suggested that "Hitler had a point."

Wasn't Tsarnaev a big fan of Alex Jones? I remember he also told a friend he couldn't relate to Americans at all -- clearly, he could have had he been living in an enlightened place like the Florida panhandle and not Cambridge, MA.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2013, 11:05:56 PM

Quote

"What we feared would happen, is happening," Romney said, pointing to the nation's unemployment situation and a series of overseas crises, including in Syria and Egypt.

"The administration has made things worse, not better. It is enough to make some people simply throw in the towel," he added, before offering his own advice to the conservative donors.

imagine what he'd be saying if he were president and the UE rate dropped from 7.8 in November to 7.4 in July...ie what actually happened.  :lol

it would be insufferable. Thank god this fucker is finished.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2013, 11:53:25 PM

It's miracle that unemployment has dropped at all, what with the concerted efforts by every Republican in DC to damage the economy while Obama is in office.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 01:16:15 PM

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhitePeopleBoycottingEbonyMagazine&src=hash

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 08, 2013, 01:25:08 PM

I like the selling pork in a mosque comment.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 01:28:51 PM

My favorite was white conservatives buying Essence Magazine instead. Although obviously they should be reading Jet.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2013, 01:40:11 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 01:28:51 PM

My favorite was white conservatives buying Essence Magazine instead. Although obviously they should be reading Jet.

We have a (white) hygienist who asks patients if they'd like to read a magazine while they're waiting in the dentist chair; I've noticed if it's a black patient she automatically gets a Jet magazine  for them
:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 08, 2013, 02:51:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 01:16:15 PM

https://twitter.com/search?q=%23WhitePeopleBoycottingEbonyMagazine&src=hash

Quote

Maria Lia Calvo ‏@MariaLiaCalvo 23h

 #WhitePeopleBoycottingEbonyMagazine is like bristol palin getting paid to give speeches about abstinence

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 03:00:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmLeIkWQsw

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2013, 03:10:45 PM

 ???

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2013, 03:13:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2013, 03:10:45 PM

???

Awesome-O wants Obama to give Snowden the Presidential Medal of Freedom.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 08, 2013, 03:22:53 PM

It is a pretty childish gesture though. Didn't expect him to stoop down to Putin's level.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2013, 03:45:27 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 03:00:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmLeIkWQsw

That's my Congresscritter  :fbm

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2013, 03:54:27 PM

To be fair Russia sent a pretty clear "fuck off" message in regard to Snowden, they're throwing gay people in jail...this was inevitable. He's still going to see Putin at the G20 meeting.

Snowden broke the law to reveal very disturbing civil liberty abuses. While I agree with his actions, he did break the law, and could potentially give more information to Russia which doesn't strike me as a good thing as they devolve back to Soviet era shit.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 08, 2013, 03:54:55 PM

Awesom-o is weak on terrorism. You are either with the president or with the terrorists.

/2001

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 08, 2013, 03:55:42 PM

It's a proportional response, no?  A symbolic snub as retaliation for an affront on a minor, but not insignificant, issue.  Likewise the Germans delaying TTIP talks for a bit to show that they weren't happy.  It's all pretty meh.  Also, the context is that they wouldn't have had much to talk about (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114218/obama-cancels-moscow-summit-avoids-awkward-date-putin) anyways.

In other news, seems there is no Tea Party boycott of Ebony Magazine, sadly.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2013, 04:09:11 PM

Remember when Obama didn't close the embassy in Benghazi and Republicans/conservatives heralded that as a principled move that showed strength and resolve? Oh wait...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2013, 04:25:19 PM

Detroit's fate was sealed 55-60 years ago. Anyone discussing Detroit who doesn't acknowledge that the auto industry, highways, white flight, and redlining killed the city cannot be taken seriously.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2013, 04:39:27 PM

And let's not kid ourselves here, stagnant wages and underemployment and other such ills are directly the result of job-creating captains of industry being given carte blanche to loot and plunder at will for the past three or more decades by Republican/conservative politicians. It's got nothing to do with welfare and food stamps.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2013, 06:18:21 PM

So, you know how protestors have been claiming for years that the police have been infiltrating them in an effort to curb their effectiveness, or possibly have them associated with nastier public relations?  Turns out the dirty fucking hippies were right.  I AM SO SHOCKED.

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/15419/exclusive_activists_identify_dc_cop_who_infiltrated_bangladesh_protesters/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 07:16:47 PM

I'd infiltrate her bangladesh protest.  :drool

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2013, 07:21:43 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 03:00:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qmLeIkWQsw

Obamacare delusion on display. Most people, even many republicans, support nearly every part of the law. Pre-existing condition coverage, end on life time caps, children allowed to stay on their parents health care while they find a job, free preventive care, opening up health care clinics, etc. But "because Obama" they retroactively oppose the law and want it replaced with...what? Are they going to kick kids off their parents health care, take insurance away from people with cancer, etc? Good luck with that. They lost, get over it.


We have an older patient who is a hardcore tea party type, she's always wearing anti Obama clothes. She came to the office last year in a state of distress because her son had just turned 21, needed a lot of dental work, and she was concerned he was taken off her plan. I told her he'd be fine until his 26th birthday, and she half whispered "...because of Obamacare...?" I said yes, because of Obamacare*. The mixture of anger, confusion, and relief on her face almost made me bust out laughing)

*the law doesn't force private dental insurances to comply with it, but many have decided to comply by allowing kids to stay on their parents plan until age 26

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 08, 2013, 07:28:35 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 08, 2013, 06:18:21 PM

So, you know how protestors have been claiming for years that the police have been infiltrating them in an effort to curb their effectiveness, or possibly have them associated with nastier public relations?  Turns out the dirty fucking hippies were right.  I AM SO SHOCKED.

http://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/15419/exclusive_activists_identify_dc_cop_who_infiltrated_bangladesh_protesters/

Yeah there have been examples of that for decades now. I think in the 70's they called them Red Squads.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2013, 07:38:18 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 08, 2013, 07:35:21 PM

I think Romney actually alluded to a potential right-wing* healthcare policy option during the first presidential debate last fall. IIRC, Obama claimed that Romney had no idea how he would replace the ACA, and Romney said something like, "There are a lot of things you could do; you could ____." Does anyone remember what that idea was?

*Righter-wing policy option, since the ACA is already fairly right-wing policy.

let me guess

"keep your own doctor"
"buy insurance across state lines"
"insurance pools for people with pre-existing conditions"
"tort reform"

Even more ironic coming from Romney, who passed a pretty damn good healthcare law in MA that is basically Obamacare.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2013, 11:54:19 PM

Apparently Megyn Kelly is getting Hannity's time slot, and Hannity is... well, we're not sure yet?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/08/megyn-kelly-sean-hannity-drudge_n_3726620.html

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 09, 2013, 12:33:34 AM

Shep Smith involved in this change?

Can only mean good...ish things.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 09, 2013, 10:39:40 AM

Hannity is the worst.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 09, 2013, 03:56:06 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 08, 2013, 03:24:37 PM

Pre-emptive STFU Mandark/Boogie

Yeah, fuck Obama.  How dare he....cancel a meeting with a head of state 100 times more authoritarian and an enemy of civil liberties than he is...?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2013, 04:12:41 PM

Awesom-O during the G20 meeting: why is Obama talking to a dictator like Putin?!?!?!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2013, 05:54:51 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXJd5ug4uto

:beli

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2013, 06:03:17 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 09, 2013, 05:57:45 PM

That shit about Republicans in Congress refusing to fix that church premiums glitch so that the ACA will have more problems really grinds my gears. That's actual sabotage.

Their plan isn't to work to make the ACA work, it's to stonewall any attempts to smooth over the glitches so that more people will be upset about its implementation.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 10, 2013, 12:34:30 AM

Everybody I know in real life doesn't really care about politics, other than maybe the drug war or terrorism but that stuff's pretty abstract unless you're a drug-dealing terrorist.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2013, 08:09:40 AM

Quote from: am nintenho on August 10, 2013, 12:34:30 AM

Everybody I know in real life is stupid

fixt lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2013, 08:35:48 AM

Is it wrong for me to be loving the shitty position that Boner, Cantor, etc are in?  Like, anybody with a modicum of common sense knows that a government shutdown is a stupid idea, and will be blamed by everyone that's not a lunatic on the GOP.  But the teahadist wing of the party WANTS ONE, and bad, because wolverines! or some shit.

The really funny part is that McConnell is apparently the one who ends up strong arming the House into doing shit, because he can say, "We're not gonna filibuster this in the Senate," but since he's in a fight for his political life, he's probably gonna have to go full wolverine teatard just to survive a primary, much less the general election, for which he's currently polling behind.  Shit could get total cray-cray.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2013, 09:07:17 AM

A government shutdown is really the best thing that could happen right now for the Democractic party.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2013, 09:12:01 AM

Ehhhh... maybe, maybe not.  It will fuck with the slow, bataan death march economic recovery we're experiencing, and there's a non-zero number of people who might vote for Democrats in Congressional/Senate/State races next year who could blame Obummer and either stay home or vote for the idiots.  Net vote wise, it would be a fucking disastrophe for the GOP though, you're right.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2013, 09:20:18 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 10, 2013, 09:12:01 AM

Net vote wise, it would be a fucking disastrophe for the GOP though, you're right.

I'm going to steal this word.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2013, 12:25:36 PM

Cantor realizes a shutdown over Obamacare is insane, as do many of Boehner's closest members
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/eric-cantor-nixes-obamacare-shutdown-push?ref=fpb

The wildcard is McConnell, who is fighting for his political life in Kentucky. In the past he has worked out numerous deals with the White House, specifically with Biden. If I was a republican I'd be happy with him considering he tends to "win" negotiations. Is he going to be willing to shut down the government just to beat his tea party challenger?

Another thing: if McConnell does indeed attempt to shut things down, what will McCain do? The past few months have shown that he loves shitting on the tea party; basically he's been pissed ever since Rand Paul took him to the woodshed on drones a few months ago. I think he can secure the votes needed to secure a CR passes.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on August 11, 2013, 09:03:17 PM

not been following much US politics but seeing as I saw some noise about Obama being to blame for the sequester I thought i'd do a bit of looking around and now I see the Right Wing everywhere saying that it was Obama who effectively wanted the Sequester and they had nothing to do with it and it's Obama's fault for signing off????

Oh, and it's a liberal media conspiracy that everyone thinks that the Republicans were the ones pushing for it.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on August 11, 2013, 09:55:57 PM

If you have oodles of cash there's not much doubt that you can get the best health care on the planet if you want it - but that's bullshit if you want to use that as an overall view of your healthcare system.

Your healthcare system is only as good as the base level it provides and that's why the US health care system ranks low.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2013, 11:07:25 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 11, 2013, 10:51:09 PM

Politifact goes super easy on Republicans to avoid coming off as biased

Or just replace "Politifact" with any mainstream media outlet.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2013, 02:28:54 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/10/religious-family-lost-at-sea_n_3738010.html

 :heh :beli :comeon :ufup :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2013, 06:39:19 PM

Been reading this article today and it's just absolutely mind-boggling that the practice in question is even remotely legal:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman?currentPage=1

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2013, 07:47:35 PM

NYC's stop-and-frisk policy is dead, by the way:

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/13/nyregion/stop-and-frisk-practice-violated-rights-judge-rules.html?hp&_r=1&

In a repudiation of a major element in the Bloomberg administration’s crime-fighting legacy, a federal judge has found that the stop-and-frisk tactics of the New York Police Department violated the constitutional rights of minorities in New York, and called for a federal monitor to oversee broad reforms.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2013, 07:55:55 PM

until it reaches the SC where a 5-4 ruling makes it even worse

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2013, 08:02:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2013, 06:39:19 PM

Been reading this article today and it's just absolutely mind-boggling that the practice in question is even remotely legal:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman?currentPage=1

Like a whole lot of shit, it's tolerated on the political principle of "Well, it won't happen to us."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2013, 08:11:40 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 12, 2013, 08:02:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2013, 06:39:19 PM

Been reading this article today and it's just absolutely mind-boggling that the practice in question is even remotely legal:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2013/08/12/130812fa_fact_stillman?currentPage=1

Like a whole lot of shit, it's tolerated on the political principle of "Well, it won't happen to us."

As a bonus, this practice mostly targeted poor minorities. So, yeah.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2013, 09:22:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1mflWVCo0I

Steve King  :deadpos

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 12, 2013, 10:01:36 PM

holy fuck that was an amazing takedown, and on shitty meet the press no less.

:bow ana navarro :bow2

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 14, 2013, 01:24:19 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/peggy-noonan-obama-should-defend-missouri-rodeo-clown?ref=fpb

Quote

Let me suggest a classy Obama move that might go over well. From his Vineyard vacation spot he should have the press office issue a release saying his reaction to finding out a rodeo clown was rudely spoofing him, was, “So what?” Say he loves free speech, including inevitably derision directed at him, and he does not wish for the Missouri state fair to fire the guy, and hopes those politicians (unctuously, excessively, embarrassingly) damning the clown and the crowd would pipe down and relax. This would be graceful and nice, wouldn’t it? He would never do it. He gives every sign of being a person who really believes he shouldn’t be made fun of, and if he is it’s probably racially toned, because why else would you make fun of him?

 :lol :comeon

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2013, 01:58:40 PM

I forgive Nooners for her ongoing impersonation of a clown.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2013, 06:04:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QJ7_89wPHo

Peggy Noonan, everybody. Peggy Noonan.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2013, 06:07:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fosVzgyAr0

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2013, 06:27:03 PM

All the vibrations are right. Something old is roaring back. Republicans have the passion now. (http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2013, 06:40:11 PM

Quote

And there is Obama, out there seeming tired and wan, showing up through sheer self discipline. A few weeks ago I saw the president and the governor at the Al Smith dinner, and both were beautiful specimens in their white ties and tails, and both worked the dais. But sitting there listening to the jokes and speeches, the archbishop of New York sitting between them, Obama looked like a young challenger—flinty, not so comfortable. He was distracted, and his smiles seemed forced. He looked like a man who’d just seen some bad internal polling. Romney? Expansive, hilarious, self-spoofing, with a few jokes of finely calibrated meanness that were just perfect for the crowd. He looked like a president. He looked like someone who’d just seen good internals.

Even more hilarious when you realize both were looking at very good internals - the problem is that one was looking at fake ones.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2013, 07:43:08 PM

The only internals that matter are your guts.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Akala on August 14, 2013, 09:41:08 PM

DS mod  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/I2AATvm.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 14, 2013, 09:48:28 PM

https://twitter.com/brassiest/status/366999594099408896/photo/1

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 14, 2013, 10:04:39 PM

Oh shit, I'd forgot Benghazi!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2013, 10:19:27 PM

On the subject of Benghazi:

Quote

When news broke that William Clark, a longtime aide to Ronald Reagan, had recently passed away, several conservative media outlets quickly posted tributes to the man. Touted as the "most important and influential presidential confidante" in nearly a century, Clark was warmly remembered as a "a great treasure to the nation" and an "inspiration."

Quote

But here's what's interesting about Clark's recently lauded resume when viewed against the right wing's permanent Benghazi name calling: Clark served as Reagan's national security advisor between 1982 and 1983. On April 18, 1983, Islamic terrorists attacked the U.S. Embassy in Beirut. Sixty-three people were killed, including 17 Americans, eight of whom worked for the CIA.

Five months later local terrorists struck again. During a lengthy air assault from nearby artillerymen, two Marines stationed at the Beirut airport were killed. Then on October 23, just days after Clark stepped down as national security advisor to become Secretary of the Interior, the Marines' Beirut barracks cratered after a 5-ton truck driven by a suicide bomber and carrying the equivalent of 12,000 pounds of TNT exploded outside; 241 Americans were killed, marking the deadliest single attacks on U.S. citizens overseas since World War II.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/14/reagan-terror-and-benghazi/195391

It's a good thing William Clark loved America [unlike Hillary and Obama!!], otherwise he'd have been in some serious trouble!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 14, 2013, 10:39:37 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2013, 10:19:27 PM

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/14/reagan-terror-and-benghazi/195391

It's a good thing William Clark loved America [unlike Hillary and Obama!!], otherwise he'd have been in some serious trouble!

I feel like there should be competition between who loves America more between the parties and it should intersect with Project Runway.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2013, 10:56:22 PM

Americans killed overseas on Obama's watch: victims of a treasonous president.
Americans killed overseas on a republican's watch: terrorists hate our freedoms, never surrender.

People forget how many contractors were killed and embassies bombed during the reign of Bush The Second. I'm not going to defend Obama's admin for not being forthright on what happened but at the same time let's be clear: this was a CIA operation that somehow got sniffed out. Whether it was a weapons deal or not, we'll probably never know, but clearly something was going down. I think republicans generally have known this for awhile but continue to play with the issue to appease their base. I'm all for playing politics but this is dangerous. Whenever you purposely cloud or omit facts to accuse officials, specifically the president, of letting US forces die...you're crossing the line.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2013, 11:09:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxeQ0TRSUks
 :derp

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2013, 09:08:39 AM

At what point will the right stop being wrong?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2013, 09:44:02 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on August 15, 2013, 09:08:39 AM

At what point will the right stop being wrong?

When the country is a literal smoking crater and there's nothing left to be wrong about.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2013, 11:03:33 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/middle-east-live/2013/aug/15/egypt-pro-morsi-protests-crackdown-live

Well, I guess things have pretty much gone to hell in Egypt. 525 confirmed dead, and I doubt this is over.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2013, 01:51:54 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/conservative-group-replacing-hannity-with-kelly-pro-homosexual?ref=fpb

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"Pushing Sean Hannity out of the 9:00 p.m. slot, to make way for pro-homosexual advocate Megyn Kelly, is another sign of the channel's left-ward drift and decline," ASI President Cliff Kincaid said in a press release, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

 :heh   :sabu

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on August 15, 2013, 10:05:18 PM

all this "mi mi mi pro-homosexual" twinning from the US and Russia has brought about a nuclear arms race between the two countries on IQ levels.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 15, 2013, 10:10:52 PM

Given the NSA/spying bullshit, it's good to be able to laugh at Russia over something. Too bad we can't have a united chortle because 35% of the country is distinguished mentally-challenged. I can't wait to see the hand wriging and "Putin is right" shit coming from Rick Santorum and fellow spergs once the Olympics begin.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2013, 11:09:13 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on August 15, 2013, 10:05:18 PM

all this "mi mi mi pro-homosexual" twinning from the US and Russia has brought about a nuclear arms race between the two countries on IQ levels.

All I know is that we can't let Russia get the gay bomb before we do.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 16, 2013, 12:32:59 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on August 15, 2013, 01:51:54 PM

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/conservative-group-replacing-hannity-with-kelly-pro-homosexual?ref=fpb

Quote

"Pushing Sean Hannity out of the 9:00 p.m. slot, to make way for pro-homosexual advocate Megyn Kelly, is another sign of the channel's left-ward drift and decline," ASI President Cliff Kincaid said in a press release, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

TPM is nutpicking there.

Also, it's a great example of how someone's statements are automatically more newsworthy if they're presented as the statement of a think tank or advocacy group, no matter how obscure.

Five minutes of Google-fu shows that ASI is essentially a one-man operation run by a crank.  There is only one bio on the site, for Cliff Kincaid.  The About Us link takes you to several quotes in praise of Cliff Kincaid.  ASI's address is a PO Box in goddam Calvert County, and the contact button is just a link to Cliff Kincaid's personal Comcast email.  I suspect a journalist at the AJC read the title and thought he was representing a legit, if minor conservative group, when really he's just speaking for Cliff Kincaid, some asshole from Owings, MD.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2013, 12:34:19 AM

TPM lost their two most noteworthy reporters/bloggers in the last 12 months and it shows.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 16, 2013, 01:23:01 AM

 In other news Mandark was trolled into researching an obscure right wing website for no apparent reason.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 16, 2013, 01:40:36 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 16, 2013, 01:23:01 AM

In other news Mandark was trolled into researching an obscure right wing website for no apparent reason.

 :deadpos

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2013, 01:48:02 AM

When will Greenwald expose the multi billion dollar underground derivative market, based entirely on manipulating Mandark's google searches.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 16, 2013, 04:07:46 AM

Apparently the writer of Ender's Game is a huge fan of chain e-mails:

Quote

He has said that if the US government take further steps to make same-sex marriage legal, then the government will become his 'mortal enemy' and he will 'act to destroy that government and bring it down'. He's also said he wants to keep laws against homosexuality 'on the books'.

Now he's gone on another rant, this time about the Obama administration, calling the President 'a dictator'

First he seems to think that Obama will never relinquish his presidency in the US, and will appoint his wife Michelle in his place.

“Michelle Obama is going to be Barack's Lurleen Wallace,” he wrote in The Ornery American.

“Remember how George Wallace got around Alabama's ban on governors serving two terms in a row? He ran his wife for the office. Everyone knew Wallace would actually be pulling the strings, even though they denied it.

http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/enders-game-writer-orson-scott-card-in-new-obama-rant-114702955.html (http://uk.movies.yahoo.com/enders-game-writer-orson-scott-card-in-new-obama-rant-114702955.html)

More crazy at the link.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 16, 2013, 09:28:10 AM

I kind of get the feeling that Obama doesn't even particularly LIKE being President.

I also really wish that when people say all of this crazy shit and it DOESN'T FUCKING HAPPEN that afterwards we got to make them wear clown suits for the rest of their lives or something.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 16, 2013, 09:31:52 AM

I have a running mental list of parroted bullshit I like to whip out when it's getting thick in the room.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 16, 2013, 10:04:49 AM

Quote

He also criticised Obama's plan for a 'national police force' in the piece, writing: "Barack Obama needs to have a source of military power that is under his direct control. Like Hitler, he needs a powerful domestic army to terrify any opposition that might arise."

“Where will he get his 'national police'? The NaPo will be recruited from 'young out-of-work urban men' and it will be hailed as a cure for the economic malaise of the inner cities.

Nutcase.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 16, 2013, 10:27:38 AM

Quote from: Rufus on August 16, 2013, 10:04:49 AM

Quote

He also criticised Obama's plan for a 'national police force' in the piece, writing: "Barack Obama needs to have a source of military power that is under his direct control. Like Hitler, he needs a powerful domestic army to terrify any opposition that might arise."

“Where will he get his 'national police'? The NaPo will be recruited from 'young out-of-work urban men' and it will be hailed as a cure for the economic malaise of the inner cities.

Nutcase.

He also believes that 10 year olds would make brilliant 5-star generals, so...you know. Maybe we should have seen it coming.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 16, 2013, 10:48:02 AM

I never read Ender's Game. :yeshrug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 16, 2013, 11:11:07 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/rO3GDvv.png)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: drew on August 17, 2013, 06:56:13 AM

(http://imgick.nj.com/home/njo-media/pgmain/img/star-ledger/photo/2013/04/-a691f04ce8a21385.jpg)

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/08/christie_nj_gun_control_bills_legislature_governor_2016_president.html

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But the governor completely axed a bill that would ban the Barrett .50 caliber rifle

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“Tellingly, the Legislature points to no instance of this class of firearms being used by even a single criminal in New Jersey,” Christie wrote. “The wide scope of this total ban, therefore, will not further public safety, but only interfere with lawful recreational pastimes.”

:nod

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Bryan Miller, executive director of Heeding God's Call, a faith-based organization focused on gun violence, called it the “most common-sensical bill in the entire package.”

“One person with one of these guns and incendiary armor piercing bullets could knock down a chemical plant and kill hundreds of people. Chris Christie clearly is courageous for his place in the Republican Party, but not for the residents of New Jersey,” Miller said.

LOL, no.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2013, 10:47:14 AM

Didn't he sign a couple smaller bills that limit guns, including one that restricts gun rights from anyone on a terrorist watch list? You'd think that would be a no brainer but I'm sure he'll get shit for it when he runs for president.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 17, 2013, 01:20:49 PM

I haven't followed politics much recently: has Hillary given up pretending that she isn't running in 2016?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 17, 2013, 02:44:20 PM

Not going forward with the bill that makes smart ID cards for instant background checks seems like a bigger loss.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2013, 07:01:23 PM

Greenwald's boyfriend detained for 9 hours in Heathrow for no fucking reason

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 18, 2013, 07:58:54 PM

cant wait to read the 600-page writeup

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2013, 08:31:47 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 18, 2013, 07:01:23 PM

Greenwald's boyfriend detained for 9 hours in Heathrow for no fucking reason

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/18/glenn-greenwald-guardian-partner-detained-heathrow

Oh, there's a reason.  :obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2013, 11:44:06 AM

Highlights from Ted Nugent's nationwide Klan rally concert tour:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T27dH9UXLcg&noredirect=1

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 20, 2013, 12:23:02 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2013, 11:44:06 AM

Highlights from Ted Nugent's nationwide Klan rally concert tour:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T27dH9UXLcg&noredirect=1

https://twitter.com/TedNugent/status/369542311077638145

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2013, 12:49:30 PM

Why the hate for John Waters?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2013, 01:52:41 PM

Quote

WASHINGTON — Estimates from 19 states operating health insurance exchanges to help the uninsured find coverage show that at least 8.5 million will use the exchanges to buy insurance, a USA TODAY survey shows. That would far outstrip the federal government's estimate of 7 million new customers for all 50 states under the 2010 health care law.

STORY: States readying their push to get people insured

USA TODAY contacted the 50 states, and 19 had estimates for how many of their uninsured residents they expect will buy through the exchanges. About 48 million Americans were uninsured in 2011, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

"For the most part, that's a very good thing," said Paul Ginsburg, president of the Center for Studying Health System Change. "First, these are people who need health insurance. And second, the scenario that only sick people will enroll is less likely."

Under the law, also known as the Affordable Care Act, people without health insurance provided by their employers, the government or their parents will have to buy insurance on the exchanges, which are websites where they can compare prices and choose policies. They will pay a fine if they decline to buy the insurance.

To stay financially viable, insurers need healthy people to help round out the costs of those with chronic conditions. The non-partisan Congressional Budget Office did its own research to determine 7 million people would enroll for the 2014 exchanges.

California alone said it expected to sign up 5.3 million people.

"I am not aware of any enrollment expectations that may have been set," said Melissa Fox, a spokeswoman for the Pennsylvania Insurance Department. Pennsylvania is allowing the federal government to create its exchange.

To diversify the health of the pool, the Department of Health and Human Services has targeted three states where half of uninsured people ages 18 to 35 live: Texas, Florida and California.

The states said they made their estimates based on how many individuals are uninsured and aren't likely to become insured by an employer, what insurers in their states expect and conversations with HHS about reasonable goals.

"It's not a positive development for the Republican opponents who would like to see this fail," Ginsburg said. "But it's still very early in the process."

Opponents of the law say 7 million new people will buy insurance, but they may be the wrong people to keep costs down. "They could sign up 7 million sick people," said Michael Cannon, director of health policy studies for the Cato Institute, a libertarian think-tank opposed to the law. "It will be hard to sign 7 million that are healthy."

It's also possible that many new insurance customers may simply shift from getting insurance through employers who drop their health insurance coverage when they realize their employees can buy affordable insurance on the exchanges, said Ed Haislmaier, senior research fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation. According to the CBO, 2 million fewer people may receive their insurance through their employers in 2014.

Ginsburg said more people may sign up for the exchanges because not all of the states are expanding Medicaid to adults who make less than 137% of the federal poverty level. Adults in that category who make at least 100% of the federal poverty level are eligible for subsidies through the exchanges.

"Having a target and having a metric to reach that target is important," HHS Secretary Kathleen Sebelius told USA TODAY. "I'm optimistic we'll have millions of people sign up. We've been working a long time on this." Last week, Sebelius announced $67 million in grants to groups across the country that will spread the word to potential insurance customers about the law and the exchanges.

The open enrollment for new insurance customers in the exchanges starts Oct. 1 and ends March 31, 2014. States either created their own exchanges, have a partnership exchange with the federal government or defaulted and had the federal government created an exchange for them.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/08/19/health-care-law-uninsured-estimates-obama/2671489/

So good so far; given that they have nearly 9 million people with less than half the states actively setting up exchanges, I'd imagine the final numbers will be more than twice as much. . They'll need nearly 3mil young, healthy people to sign up though to control costs.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 20, 2013, 02:01:25 PM

http://m.apnews.mobi/ap/db_6776/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=VJwUDlR9

So it looks like Mubarak will be free due to a legal technicality but Morsi is still in custody. Who knows, some say legally he has to be released while other articles seem to suggest the government would never let him out because of the protests it would cause. It's already pretty bad the level of  violence of the current unrest/civil war.

For the US, if there is a full on civil war against the military, that would require cutting our losses with Egypt or backing Muslim Brotherhood rebels.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 20, 2013, 02:02:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=En6Y4oBqH6o

"Just cause Obama got re-elected by running on Obamacare doesn't mean the American people want Obamacare!"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 20, 2013, 06:41:41 PM

http://swampland.time.com/2013/08/20/the-party-of-old-white-guys-changes-its-look/

Can't stop the lols.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 20, 2013, 06:46:56 PM

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Oklahoma’s Shannon, who suggested that the party should stress its belief in limited government and personal responsibility, two values that he learned from his local African-American church.

YOU WENT TO A SHITTY CHURCH

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 20, 2013, 06:48:46 PM

Some minorities hate themselves we should capitalize on this.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 20, 2013, 07:00:11 PM

Ive been saying it for years.  PD should go Republican.  He'd be a state senator in like 2 years.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2013, 07:36:33 PM

Quote from: Luke 18: 22-23

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 20, 2013, 07:37:54 PM

(http://mattstone.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341bffb053ef013486098ad4970c-200wi)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 20, 2013, 07:43:54 PM

Quote from:  Ezekiel 16:49

Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2013, 07:53:17 PM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/08/13/fox-news-reports-on-snap-binging-losers-and-too/195369

"It used to be that, you know, that if somebody was on food stamps it's like 'hey, they're on food stamps, you know... loser,'" said Roberts.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 20, 2013, 10:40:28 PM

Quote from: Matthew 19:23-26

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a denizen of the moocher class to enter the kingdom of God.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2013, 11:21:07 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2013, 07:53:17 PM

Quote from: The Gospel of Luke 22:7

"It used to be that, you know, that if somebody was on food stamps it's like 'hey, they're on food stamps, you know... loser,'" spaketh Jesus.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 21, 2013, 10:57:54 AM

Quote from: Genesis

And spotteth twice they the camels before the third hour. And so the Midianites went forth to Ram Gilead in Kadesh Bilgemath by Shor Ethra Regalion, to the house of Gash-Bil-Betheul-Bazda, he who brought the butter dish to Balshazar and the tent peg to the house of Rashomon, and there slew they the goats, yea, and placed they the bits in little pots.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2013, 06:48:26 PM

I'm sure this was an honest mistake
http://www.mediaite.com/online/fox-and-friends-daily-caller-falsely-report-3-black-teens-arrested-in-chris-lane-murder/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 21, 2013, 06:56:24 PM

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There’s your angle, Rev. Al. The one with the lightest skin got the lightest charge. The one who looks the least like Obama will get the least punishment. Let the racebaiting begin.

::)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on August 23, 2013, 06:10:02 PM

Quote

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was very wealthy.

I think what Jesus was trying to say here was to set up a hedge fund and short sell every stock on a downward tick to capitalise on their "poor" predicament.

It is amusing that staunch GOP supporters are so big into the biggest socialist to have ever walked the planet - but i seriously wonder which version of the bible they were reading. Would Jesus be for free health care? Pretty sure he was apparently going around curing uninsured people but hey... let's concentrate all our focus on the bible's hate messages instead!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2013, 06:22:49 PM

Clearly you dirty fucking hippies aren't familiar with the Gospel Of Supply Side Jesus.

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/09/17_franken.html

Quote from: Supply Side Jesus

If you are prosperous on Earth, that means that God is rewarding your RUGGED INDIVIDUALISM.  If you are poor, it is a sign that God frowns on your reliance on handouts.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 23, 2013, 07:01:00 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 23, 2013, 06:45:42 PM

Yeah, I totally remember in the Bible where Jesus set up a government and seized property in the form of taxes and made people be nice to each other.

When they showed him those coins he was all like, "Render undo me, lol."

 :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 07:09:01 PM

Luke 3:12-13

Tax collectors also came to be baptized and said to him, “Teacher, what shall we do?” And he said to them, “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2013, 07:29:30 PM

Hey, this is fun!

Romans 13:5-7

Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.
This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing.
Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 07:35:14 PM

To be fair I think that was Paul, not Jesus

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2013, 07:39:08 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 07:35:14 PM

To be fair I think that was Paul, not Jesus

I am pretty sure, however, that the only time Jesus ever got pissed was when he took a whip to those rationally motivated self-movers in the temple who were just trying to make an honest shekel changing money for people

:paul

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2013, 07:40:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV23muIPLpw

executive trolling

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 23, 2013, 07:57:50 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 07:35:14 PM

To be fair I think that was Paul, not Jesus

I didn't know we were sticking to Jesus; your quote was from John the Baptist!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2013, 08:00:45 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 07:35:14 PM

To be fair I think that was Paul, not Jesus

Mandark figured he'd quote the apostle to the Gentiles, as Jesus had no message for us

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 08:19:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 23, 2013, 07:57:50 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 07:35:14 PM

To be fair I think that was Paul, not Jesus

I didn't know we were sticking to Jesus; your quote was from John the Baptist!

annihilated

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2013, 10:20:13 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 08:19:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 23, 2013, 07:57:50 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 23, 2013, 07:35:14 PM

To be fair I think that was Paul, not Jesus

I didn't know we were sticking to Jesus; your quote was from John the Baptist!

annihilated

You got baptized, son!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 23, 2013, 11:54:11 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 23, 2013, 06:45:42 PM

Yeah, I totally remember in the Bible where Jesus set up a government and seized property in the form of taxes and made people be nice to each other.

When they showed him those coins he was all like, "Render undo me, lol."

So this is generally the excuse I hear from the freedom lovers whenever Jesus' compassion for the poor is brought up. I suppose this could be a reasonable argument, that Jesus wanted to help the poor, but not have government lead the way. And yet, the fundamentalists have no problem with government coercion when it comes to dealing with the gheys and abortion.

Did Jesus ever talk about a wall of separation between economic policy and social policy?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2013, 02:21:49 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 23, 2013, 06:45:42 PM

Yeah, I totally remember in the Bible where Jesus set up a government and seized property in the form of taxes and made people be nice to each other.

Quote

On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“What is written in the Law?” he replied. “How do you read it?”

He answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’”

“You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. “Do this and you will live.”

But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”

In reply Jesus said: “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he was attacked by robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead. A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side. But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him. He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, brought him to an inn and took care of him. The next day he took out two denarii and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Look after him,’ he said, ‘and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.’

“Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

The expert in the law replied, “The one who had mercy on him.”

Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2013, 07:12:04 AM

Yeah, it's unfortunate that only a fringe population views any taxation as theft.  :violin

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 24, 2013, 08:02:14 AM

The government is not forcing you at gunpoint to hand money to poor people. It requires you (through nonviolent legal means) to supply it with a portion of your money, which then goes toward a big bucket that provides an enormous amount of services for all citizens, many of which you directly benefit from. I don't remember Jesus saying roads were bad.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2013, 08:16:31 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on August 24, 2013, 08:02:14 AM

The government is not forcing you at gunpoint to hand money to poor people. It requires you (through nonviolent legal means) to supply it with a portion of your money, which then goes toward a big bucket that provides an enormous amount of services for all citizens, many of which you directly benefit from. I don't remember Jesus saying roads were bad.

TYRANNY

:paul

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 24, 2013, 09:18:08 AM

Private property is theft (http://i.imgur.com/bbPexu9.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2013, 10:46:33 AM

Unfortunately for you, most people don't agree with your assessment regarding what's a "hole" and what's not.  You're free to explore one of four options: a) grin and bear it, b) try to convince enough people to come around to your way of thinking to change it, c) refuse to pay some or all of your taxes and deal with the consequences or d) move somewhere where people don't have the same values we do in America.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 24, 2013, 11:18:37 AM

Free Market of ideas :violin

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 24, 2013, 11:28:48 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/j5qwctK.gif) DEBT (http://i.imgur.com/j5qwctK.gif)

I bet you think Ramirez cartoons are incisive.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2013, 11:55:43 AM

Governments function just like regular households as far as money is concerned.  I know this, because the other day I took out a 2nd mortgage to pay for my latest war with Germany.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2013, 12:09:56 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on August 24, 2013, 11:28:48 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/j5qwctK.gif)

Joe, make this a Bore emoticon, please.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2013, 12:38:23 PM

THE DEBT EXISTS BECAUSE IT DOES

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 24, 2013, 01:20:41 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 24, 2013, 07:03:28 AM

The point being, Bliv, that telling people they should be nice and generous to one another is not the same thing as forming an army and making them.

Yeah, but you're not an anarchist.  You're very much in favor of forming an army and making them accept a particular distribution of wealth, only yours is a private property regime.

It's only different if you believe that property rights are so fundamental that they prefigure human society, in which case we've basically circled right back around to theology.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: pickle on August 24, 2013, 01:42:23 PM

Anarcho-capitalists truly are the dull crayon of the political crayola box.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2013, 03:53:39 PM

lol you guys arguing over jesus? :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 24, 2013, 04:15:54 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 24, 2013, 11:19:51 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 24, 2013, 10:46:33 AM

Unfortunately for you, most people don't agree with your assessment regarding what's a "hole" and what's not.

Red numbers in the ledger are a hole...  As in "we're in the hole."  Your agreement is not required as I'm not talking about something subjective.

(http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtiv.gif)

First rule of holes...

It's the debt-to-GDP ratio that really matters.  The size of the whole vs the size of the bucket..

(http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Public_debt_percent_gdp_world_map.PNG)

Around what level of debt/GDP would you say is okay?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 24, 2013, 04:23:49 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 24, 2013, 11:19:51 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 24, 2013, 10:46:33 AM

Unfortunately for you, most people don't agree with your assessment regarding what's a "hole" and what's not.

Red numbers in the ledger are a hole...  As in "we're in the hole."  Your agreement is not required as I'm not talking about something subjective.

(http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/debtiv.gif)

First rule of holes...

Yeah, that's pretty bad. Maybe we should raise some taxes to try and lower that debt!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 24, 2013, 06:21:30 PM

Medicaid creates a more affluent consumer market so people don't have to pay for their grandma's horse shit

The debt is almost meaningless

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on August 24, 2013, 06:22:49 PM

Quote from: pickle on August 24, 2013, 01:42:23 PM

Anarcho-capitalists truly are the dull crayon of the political crayola box.

Anarcho-Capitalism is an oxymoron. Anarchism is fundamenally left-wing. You can be an anti-state capitalist, but there's more to Anarchism than being anti-state.

Something better would be "Propertarians" or simply "neo-Feudalists" (http://i.imgur.com/QbOswnM.gif)

/Anarchist bone-pick (http://i.imgur.com/bbPexu9.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2013, 08:56:58 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/45926/large/mickelson.jpg?1377306278)

Listen guys, Mickelson could hit that ball a lot better if it wasn't for TYRANNY!  :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 24, 2013, 09:20:39 PM

Thought that headline was sarcastic until I saw it was Breitbart.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 24, 2013, 10:10:53 PM

hitting a 1.5 inch wide ball for a living must be hard

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2013, 11:10:23 PM

He made 30mil last year, the vast majority of which was from endorsements. In order to receive and maintain endorsements he has to, you know, perform well.

Dude is a fucking idiot.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2013, 12:35:44 AM

Nothing about what he says there makes any sense.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2013, 01:20:24 PM

Swanson and Buehner: Boy Scouts Will Soon Have A 'Sodomy Merit Badge' And A 'Cannibal Merit Badge' - See http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/swanson-and-buehner-boy-scouts-will-soon-have-sodomy-merit-badge-and-cannibal-merit-badge#sthash.qut4zz2w.dpuf

No, not that Swanson

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 25, 2013, 01:59:54 PM

I get the sodomy badge, but a cannibalism badge? Wha?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on August 25, 2013, 02:23:45 PM

In a survival situation if you already eat da poo poo, I could see you being the first to be a cannibal.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

/sarcasm

[close]

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2013, 04:23:33 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on August 25, 2013, 01:59:54 PM

I get the sodomy badge, but a cannibalism badge? Wha?

Slippery slope. First teh gheys, then society goes full Road Warrior and we're eating each other.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2013, 06:42:49 PM

(http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/08/23/0823-barack-obama-receipt-article-tmz-3.jpg)
http://www.tmz.com/2013/08/25/president-barack-obama-magnolias-tipping-grilled-cheese/
 :obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2013, 07:01:45 PM

52%, like a baws.  :tophat

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2013, 07:02:31 PM

Waitresses relying on govt handouts, I see  :patel

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2013, 12:06:52 AM

Black excellence!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2013, 01:26:18 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBgMS3aMW2A
 :mindblown

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 26, 2013, 02:31:26 AM

I wanna give Lizz Winstead a gold star for resisting the urge to slug that guy, you can tell she was fighting it hard.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2013, 12:38:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GV1Xj9jejM

lol, does anyone under the age of 25 even know who Rush Limbaugh is? I barely remember his TV show. I think the only people scared of Rush are the people that are trying to pin down that angry white senior citizen vote.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 26, 2013, 04:33:06 PM

The only purpose Rush serves is to be held up as a posterchild for modern conservative thinking, most often by Democrats.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 26, 2013, 07:08:23 PM

the state gop here smuggled a rush bust into the capitol offices overnight, installed it, and put a security camera focused solely on it so no one can destroy it :fbm

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2013, 07:18:10 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on August 26, 2013, 07:08:23 PM

the state gop here smuggled a rush bust into the capitol offices overnight, installed it, and put a security camera focused solely on it so no one can destroy it :fbm

I hope someone destroys it, then turns to the camera and flips the bird, then knocks over a Robert E. Lee statue on the way out.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 26, 2013, 07:33:09 PM

So, this fucktard is still alive, sadly

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ex-us-attorney-calls-james-okeefe-nasty-little?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 26, 2013, 07:36:32 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2013, 07:18:10 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on August 26, 2013, 07:08:23 PM

the state gop here smuggled a rush bust into the capitol offices overnight, installed it, and put a security camera focused solely on it so no one can destroy it :fbm

I hope someone destroys it, then turns to the camera and flips the bird, then knocks over a Robert E. Lee statue on the way out.

challenge accepted  :mynicca

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2013, 07:53:17 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 26, 2013, 07:33:09 PM

So, this fucktard is still alive, sadly

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/ex-us-attorney-calls-james-okeefe-nasty-little?ref=fpb

I watched the first ~4 minutes and then turned it off. As far as I'm concerned, it was great video.  :obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 27, 2013, 12:12:00 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2013, 01:26:18 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBgMS3aMW2A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBgMS3aMW2A)
 :mindblown

Single mothers are the poster children for the welfare state because THEY'RE ALREADY SUPPLYING LARGE AMOUNTS OF UNPAID LABOR.  A young child needs supervision by an engaged adult literally every moment they're awake.  That's the equivalent of at least two full time jobs, doing something that we, as a society, say is very important, but are queasy about supporting with actual resources.

And I don't want to hear a dude talking about how easy opportunities are for a single parent unless he's been one.  I don't talk about how easy dental school is because I got braces when I was 13.  smh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2013, 10:18:23 AM

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/08/26/oprahs-butler-ticket-sales-plummet

Quote

The movie "Lee Daniels' The Butler" saw its weekend box office receipts plummet by nearly a third, from $24.6 million in its opening week to $17 million last week, after a storm of protests from Republican and veterans groups.

Plummeted by 33%!!!! :lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 27, 2013, 10:38:25 AM

The whole hour I was at the gym today Fox News was running a panel discussing how inaccurate the movie is. 

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2013, 10:53:14 AM

Quote

The Michigan Senate will vote today on expanding Medicaid under Obamacare.

There are three proposals before the Senate, according to the Detroit Free Press:

    Straight-up eligibility expansion to 138 percent of the federal poverty level. That would cover an estimated 400,000 Michiganders.
    An alternative proposal for the state to cover the entire cost of the expansion. Under the federal law, the federal government is supposed pick up almost all of the expansion tab.
    An alternative proposal for low-income residents to purchase high-deductible insurance plans subsidized by the state.

According to the Washington Post, the first proposal is the only one likely to garner enough votes for passage. Up to eight Republicans would need to cross the aisle and vote alongside the united Democratic caucus to get the bill through the 38-member chamber.

The House has already passed an expansion bill, and Gov. Rick Snyder has said he supports expansion.

The Senate session begins at 12 p.m.

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/michigan-senate-to-vote-today-on-medicaid-expansion

Good to see republicans realizing even if they don't like the idea, ultimately it will save the state money.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2013, 11:50:15 AM

Too bad Republicans didn't boycott Pacific Rim, causing it to plummet by 33%. :(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2013, 09:03:09 PM

Quote

The Michigan Senate voted Tuesday to expand Medicaid under the Affordable Care Act, extending health coverage to more than 400,000 low-income residents, but not without a little legislative drama first.

The GOP-controlled chamber approved the bill by a 20-18 vote at about 8 p.m. Tuesday after being in session for more than eight hours, much of it spent in caucus debating how to get the expansion passed. Eight Republicans finally joined 12 Democrats to pass the bill.

The House, which had already passed an expansion bill, will soon take a concurring vote, and Gov. Rick Snyder’s office confirmed to TPM that the governor would sign the legislation when it reaches his desk.

Before the bill ultimately passed, the legislation was stuck in parliamentarian limbo for more than two hours.

The bill needed 20 votes out of the 38-member Senate to pass. On its first vote at about 5:30 p.m., it received 19 yea votes and 18 nay votes in a floor vote, but Republican Sen. Patrick Colbeck, who is vehemently opposed to expansion, abstained from voting. If he had cast a nay vote, leaving a 19-19 tie, then Republican Lt. Gov. Brian Calley could have cast the tiebreaking vote to pass the bill, as Calley has pledged to do.

But because Colbeck didn’t vote, the bill failed when it didn’t reach the 20-vote threshold. The Senate then immediately voted 21-17 to reconsider the vote and went into recess so the party caucuses could meet. It took more than two hours before the Senate reconvened and finally passed the bill.

Sen. Tom Casperson, a Republican, switched his vote after securing an amendment that reformed hospital payments for uncompensated care for the uninsured. According to tweets from local reporters, Casperson had been expected to vote for the expansion initially, but unexpectedly voted nay on the first floor vote. His yay on the second floor vote made Calley’s tiebreaking vote unnecessary.

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/08/michigan-approves-obamacares-medicaid-expansion.php?ref=fpa

Good.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 28, 2013, 12:28:43 PM

any reason we're not discussing syria?

because this is fucking shitty.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 28, 2013, 12:29:24 PM

Too depressing

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2013, 12:35:39 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on August 28, 2013, 12:28:43 PM

any reason we're not discussing syria?

because this is fucking shitty.

Why worry about talking about it now, we'll have 10 years or so of war and occupation to get around to talking about it

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2013, 12:40:57 PM

I'll make a thread soon. You know things are fucked up when SEAN HANNITY and TED CRUZ are making the liberal argument against a mindless war while actual liberals bang the war drum.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 28, 2013, 02:32:38 PM

 :what acting like this's gotta be an all-or-nothing war

it doesnt and it wont, fortunately, although i think missile strikes are also a really shitty idea. however assad is winning and the rebels DO want outside help, so sitting this one out aint gonna help at all.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2013, 02:34:27 PM

It would be nice if "the rebels" were all one group and all wanted the same thing and could be counted on to not finance people trying to blow up us 'mericans after they suss out how to divide up Syria when Assad is dead or gone is my main concern.  Plus, they don't even have that much oil in Syria, do they?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2013, 02:48:35 PM

And in other feel-good news, teacher that has sex with a 14 year old who commited suicide gets 30 days because it wasn't "rape-rape" and plus she was a total slut anyway.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/teacher-30-days-rape-14-year-old-girl.php?ref=fpb

Quote

In handing down the sentence, Baugh also said Cherice Moralez was “older than her chronological age” and “as much in control of the situation” as the teacher.

Quote

It was horrible enough as it is just given her age, but it wasn’t this forcible beat-up rape.

This was in America, not Syria btw.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 28, 2013, 03:58:32 PM

Quote from: Eschaton on August 28, 2013, 02:38:25 PM

remember that time Barack Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize :sabu

Oh, you mean the prize they gave out to Yasser Arafat and Henry Kissinger?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2013, 04:18:22 PM

The problem with Syria is that intervention could easily explode into something bigger. This isn't Libya where we waltzed in and did what we wanted for a week.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2013, 06:11:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2013, 12:40:57 PM

You know things are fucked up when SEAN HANNITY and TED CRUZ are making the liberal argument against a mindless war

They're saying all that just so that they can disagree with Obama. That's it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on August 28, 2013, 06:25:16 PM

they did the same damn thing with clinton and kosovo

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2013, 06:34:32 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on August 28, 2013, 06:25:16 PM

they did the same damn thing with clinton and kosovo

And Obama and Libya.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2013, 09:24:44 PM

Quote

“One thing that is very interesting, it seems to me, is that there really hasn’t been any indication from the administration as to what our national interest is with respect to this particular situation,” Donald Rumsfeld said in an interview with Fox News’s Neil Cavuto scheduled to air later Wednesday, as quoted by The Hill.

Quote

"I respectfully request that you, as our country’s commander-in-chief, personally make the case to the American people and Congress for how potential military action will secure American national security interests, preserve America’s credibility, deter the future use of chemical weapons, and, critically, be a part of our broader policy and strategy," John Boehner wrote in the letter to Obama sent Wednesday afternoon. "In addition, it is essential you address on what basis any use of force would be legally justified and how the justification comports with the exclusive authority of Congressional authorization under Article I of the Constitution."

Quote

"Today I told the Administration that I cannot support military action in Syria unless the President presents to Congress his broader strategy in the region that addresses our national security interests and the budget to support it," Jim Inhofe [R-OK] said. "President Obama has decimated our military beginning with his first budget four and a half years ago. He has underfunded overseas contingency operations (OCO) fund, reduced base defense budget, and put into motion sequestration. Our military has no money left."

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on August 28, 2013, 09:54:25 PM

Obama's answer really should be a live speech where he explains that he's doing it because if he lets motherfuckers use chemical weapons then others will get the idea that America won't do shit if they start gassing people and all hell breaks loose. Not that I think it is a good reason but most Americans would probably rally behind the macho aspect of it and it is the geopolitical reason he is doing it. Honest and effective.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 28, 2013, 10:40:56 PM

Yeah.  Obama really does need to come to the forefront and give a televised speech, possibly in Congress if he can.  This is a shitty situation, and I don't support us intervening, but at the very least, I can understand it this time around due to the chemical weapons used.  And we know they were used.  Not "oh, they might might have some in the country...they might I guess."

If he doesn't, I'd be very very disappointed in Obama basically being a hypocrite to his own philosophy 7 or 8 years ago.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2013, 11:25:24 PM

Quote

Suspicion of President Obama only intensified after his decision to scuttle a summit meeting next week in Moscow and to describe Mr. Putin in unusually personal terms at a news conference, saying his body language often made him look “like the bored kid in the back of the classroom.”

Though Mr. Obama went on to say that their interactions were often constructive, the comment infuriated Mr. Putin, according to one Russian official not authorized to be quoted by name.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/29/world/middleeast/putin-on-syria.html?hp&_r=0


(http://imageshack.us/a/img803/4016/mysmilie477.png)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 28, 2013, 11:59:20 PM

World-stage posturing! Even the kids love it!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 30, 2013, 11:46:07 AM

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/stan-solomon-trayvon-martin-deserved-die-and-so-does-taco-dan-savage

So christian. wow  :what :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2013, 11:58:13 AM

link isn't working. here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=drbqRHXBvTM
 :holeup

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2013, 04:06:17 PM

They won't do shit, especially if we're involved in Syria come September/October.

It's the same playbook as last time: Obama daring them to destroy the global economy. Boehner will be able to get enough republicans (18-25) to pass a CR with dem support.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2013, 03:18:23 PM

Very interesting article about Kentucky's embrace of Obamacare on the state level, as their two senators attempt to defund it
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/kentucky-obamacare-96101.html

I don't see how a governor can look at all the evidence and not accept the medicaid expansion. It will save states money by taking patients off state rolls and putting them on federal rolls. It gives states billions of dollars to set the program up (and benefit their health industry buddies, if they so choose).

In three years the government will pay 90% instead of 100% which will increase a state's costs, but is that enough to scuttle the overall state savings? The fear is that medicaid rolls will significantly increase as people try to get coverage, but the obvious response to that is to try to limit the amount of people who need medicaid. You know, with job training and shit like that.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 03, 2013, 02:31:34 PM

http://blogs.forward.com/jj-goldberg/183314/ron-paul-to-keynote-parley-of-anti-semites/

:paul

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 03, 2013, 02:39:31 PM

I'm so used to "anti-Semitism" being a rhetorical cudgel for person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation hawks that real instances of it are always surprising.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2013, 03:38:23 PM

I'm so used to hearing Ron Paul being connected to racist cranks....


...that's all.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 03, 2013, 06:21:53 PM

Holy crap, Spain's youth unemployment rate is 56.1 percent: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/30/spain-youth-unemployment-record-high

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2013, 08:08:52 PM

You know the situation is bad when you're left with saying, "well, at least we're better off than Somalia."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 03, 2013, 09:13:55 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/the-senates-syria-hearing-live-updates/?id=ed01ca14-222b-4a23-b12c-c0b0d9d4fe0a (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics-live/the-senates-syria-hearing-live-updates/?id=ed01ca14-222b-4a23-b12c-c0b0d9d4fe0a)

 :comeon

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2013, 09:39:06 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 03, 2013, 06:21:53 PM

Holy crap, Spain's youth unemployment rate is 56.1 percent: http://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/aug/30/spain-youth-unemployment-record-high

My uncle's over in Spain right now hiring for a major construction project, he says they've got protests going on all the time there. With unemployment that high, it's not hard to see why.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 03, 2013, 10:06:52 PM

Bring back the CNT - FAI (http://i.imgur.com/dHawyXj.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 04, 2013, 11:03:10 AM

 :drudge http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/matt-drudge-why-would-anyone-vote-republican?ref=fpb :drudge

Dude's LTTP. I've been saying this for years.  :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 04, 2013, 11:12:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qrR1AVMNU#t=289

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 04, 2013, 12:55:11 PM

The administration had a 5 year plan to invade Syria and they waited 2 years after the Arab Spring started and chemical weapons were used before deciding to go forward?

I mean I don't doubt there are always ongoing operations to destabilize unfriendly countries but not by direct military intervention.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 01:02:16 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on September 04, 2013, 11:03:10 AM

:drudge http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/matt-drudge-why-would-anyone-vote-republican?ref=fpb :drudge

Dude's LTTP. I've been saying this for years.  :heh

the Drudge poll mirrors the Daily Kos one: 60%+ opposed to the war

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 04, 2013, 01:13:58 PM

Still less than background checks  for guns and we all know how that went down.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 01:58:46 PM

Mandark, explain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDJA4h8T0D0

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 04, 2013, 02:18:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 01:02:16 PM

the Drudge poll mirrors the Daily Kos one: 60%+ opposed to the war

You keep saying that...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 04, 2013, 02:33:39 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 04, 2013, 02:18:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 01:02:16 PM

the Drudge poll mirrors the Daily Kos one: 60%+ opposed to the war

You keep saying that...

60%+ are opposed to the police action.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 04, 2013, 02:35:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 04, 2013, 02:18:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 01:02:16 PM

the Drudge poll mirrors the Daily Kos one: 60%+ opposed to the war

You keep saying that...

Get outta my head, Mandark.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 04, 2013, 02:52:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 01:58:46 PM

Mandark, explain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDJA4h8T0D0

:rofl

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 04, 2013, 02:53:44 PM

I fully expect PD to respond with "Of course it's an act of war, even Hawkish Politician X said it was.  If someone were to bomb us, we'd consider it an act of war, etc."

To which I would say, of course it's an act of war.  But to continually refer to a limited strike as "the war" while making implicit and explicit comparisons to the Iraq invasion/occupation, joking about how there's going to be a draft, etc. is disingenuous.  It's taking advantage of a catch-all term, and eliding the difference between your subject and the connotation of your words.

Like calling Polanski's victim a "teenager" because she was 13, calling Trayvon Martin a "criminal" cause he had been caught with marijuana, or calling some old, expired stocks of ricin "WMD's" because it validates the Iraq invasion.  We don't refer to the Osirak strike as the Israel-Iraq War, or Clinton's strike against Al-Shifa as the Sudan War, or Reagan's bombing of Tripoli as the Libyan War.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 04, 2013, 03:22:41 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on September 04, 2013, 11:12:08 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qrR1AVMNU#t=289

Kinda reminds me of Wrath :larry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 05:24:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 04, 2013, 02:53:44 PM

I fully expect PD to respond with "Of course it's an act of war, even Hawkish Politician X said it was.  If someone were to bomb us, we'd consider it an act of war, etc."

To which I would say, of course it's an act of war. But to continually refer to a limited strike as "the war" while making implicit and explicit comparisons to the Iraq invasion/occupation, joking about how there's going to be a draft, etc. is disingenuous.  It's taking advantage of a catch-all term, and eliding the difference between your subject and the connotation of your words.

Like calling Polanski's victim a "teenager" because she was 13, calling Trayvon Martin a "criminal" cause he had been caught with marijuana, or calling some old, expired stocks of ricin "WMD's" because it validates the Iraq invasion.  We don't refer to the Osirak strike as the Israel-Iraq War, or Clinton's strike against Al-Shifa as the Sudan War, or Reagan's bombing of Tripoli as the Libyan War.

Where have I done this outside of pointing out one similarity? This is a complete blindside hit and is condescending (edit: not condensing!). And if you link to me asking The Business if I could join his platoon I'm going to assume you're reaching for straws and move on.

Nor am I even going to respond to the war semantics. I know what I'm referring to, as do the other posters here when the word "war" is used. Yes, I am using it as a catch-all term, but I'm not taking advantage of it to push some agenda. Nor, I might add, am I the only person doing it here.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 04, 2013, 06:16:30 PM

(http://kefacoat.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/blue-water-drops-condensation-thumb1809120.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 04, 2013, 07:51:59 PM

(http://assets.amuniversal.com/d28ed2d0f6da01301362001dd8b71c47?width=750)

A compelling argument! (http://i.imgur.com/Oy3Y6vv.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 04, 2013, 08:13:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 05:24:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 04, 2013, 02:53:44 PM

I fully expect PD to respond with "Of course it's an act of war, even Hawkish Politician X said it was.  If someone were to bomb us, we'd consider it an act of war, etc."

To which I would say, of course it's an act of war. But to continually refer to a limited strike as "the war" while making implicit and explicit comparisons to the Iraq invasion/occupation, joking about how there's going to be a draft, etc. is disingenuous.  It's taking advantage of a catch-all term, and eliding the difference between your subject and the connotation of your words.

Like calling Polanski's victim a "teenager" because she was 13, calling Trayvon Martin a "criminal" cause he had been caught with marijuana, or calling some old, expired stocks of ricin "WMD's" because it validates the Iraq invasion.  We don't refer to the Osirak strike as the Israel-Iraq War, or Clinton's strike against Al-Shifa as the Sudan War, or Reagan's bombing of Tripoli as the Libyan War.

Where have I done this outside of pointing out one similarity? This is a complete blindside hit and is condescending (edit: not condensing!). And if you link to me asking The Business if I could join his platoon I'm going to assume you're reaching for straws and move on.

Nor am I even going to respond to the war semantics. I know what I'm referring to, as do the other posters here when the word "war" is used. Yes, I am using it as a catch-all term, but I'm not taking advantage of it to push some agenda. Nor, I might add, am I the only person doing it here.

'Twas a "preemptive strike", if you will, 'cause, c'mon PD, we all know you were prepping to run with that trolling angle.  :P

Hell, I'm betting you're only protesting it so much because you're bummed he called you on it before you had the chance to get going. ;)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 04, 2013, 08:17:36 PM

I didnt know Dr. Hibbert had a daughter.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 08:17:51 PM

I don't troll here. That's what GAF is for. Although even there, I've been pretty consistent on this issue. I think it's a really, really bad idea.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 04, 2013, 08:20:07 PM

how in the fuck is that supposed to look like sasha obama

or barack obama for that matter

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 04, 2013, 08:23:30 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on September 04, 2013, 08:20:07 PM

how in the fuck is that supposed to look like sasha obama

or barack obama for that matter

A good comic.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2013, 08:35:10 PM

Good to see Sasha went to the playground without Secret Service to save tax payers some money.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 05, 2013, 12:36:56 AM

If "people know what I'm talking about" were the only criteria for proper word choice, Paula Deen would still have a valued brand.  If you're not using it for extra rhetorical oomph, why not just use "strike"?  It's more precise, and you'll be saved the emotional trauma of a "blindside hit."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2013, 12:49:24 AM

Nah, wasn't all that. I'm good.


Looks like Weiner...has been vindicated
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/weiner-heckler-made-married-to-arab-comment-video

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on September 05, 2013, 05:52:56 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2013, 12:49:24 AM

Nah, wasn't all that. I'm good.


Looks like Weiner...has been vindicated
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/weiner-heckler-made-married-to-arab-comment-video

So dude wasn't pissed at Weiner showing his weiner and was pissed that he married a hot as hell Muslim? What tha fuk.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 06, 2013, 09:40:18 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/sep/05/mission-congo-pat-robertson-aid-rwanda

(http://i.imgur.com/uTCVANn.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2013, 09:54:38 AM

Televangelists are the absolute worst.

I mean, all TV pitchmen are pretty bad, but at least Ron Popeil is actually going to send you something tangible in exchange for your money.

Quote

But the Virginian authorities declined to prosecute Robertson, describing his misrepresentations as a "blemish". Mission Congo notes that leading state politicians were recipients of large donations from Robertson.

:pacspit

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 06, 2013, 10:01:41 AM

Quote

Robertson has consistently denied the accusation of misusing donations and claimed that the Virginia authorities' failure to prosecute effectively cleared him of wrongdoing.

You can't make this shit up. To know it is one thing, to say it out loud as a defence is another.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2013, 10:26:44 AM

So he was funneling aid money into a diamond mine? Just when you think you can't have a lower opinion of a person.  :dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 06, 2013, 10:29:17 AM

This has been known for years.  I think I read it in one of those "50 stories that never get reported" type of thing on alt news sites.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2013, 12:36:58 PM

Quote

Graham wound up his case on Syria intervention by raising the stakes considerably. He painted a frightening picture of cascading world events that would reverberate far beyond the borders of a civil war in one Middle Eastern country.
If the United States doesn't deal with Syria, Graham promised Iran would acquire a nuclear weapon by 2014, the King of Jordan would be deposed and Israel would start preparing to protect itself.

"I believe that if we get Syria wrong, within six months -- and you can quote me on this," Graham said, pausing for dramatic effect. "There will be a war between Iran and Israel over their nuclear program."

But it wouldn't even end there, Graham surmised. Undoubtedly, he said ominously, the Iranians would share its nuclear technology with U.S. enemies.

"My fear is that it won't come to America on top of a missile, it'll come in the belly of a ship in the Charleston or New York harbor," he said.

 :holeup :holeup :holeup

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 06, 2013, 12:42:29 PM

Scary future guys.  I'm building my bunker.  Who wants in?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 06, 2013, 01:06:35 PM

You can't get money from people without getting them scared about something. That's conservatism 101.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 06, 2013, 02:53:14 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on September 06, 2013, 01:06:35 PM

You can't get money from people without getting them scared about something. That's conservatism 101.

Scared or angry. Preferably both.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2013, 06:33:39 AM

uh thanks for the suggestion Amazon, but I'm good

Quote

Nationally syndicated radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh has long wanted to make American history come to life for the children of his listeners, so he created the character of a fearless middle-school history teacher named Rush Revere, who travels back in time and experiences American history as it happens, in adventures with exceptional Americans. In this book, he is transported back to the deck of the Mayflower.

(http://i.imgur.com/I3EWstO.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2013, 07:16:58 AM

:lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 07, 2013, 01:31:21 PM

Stiglitz shivs Larry Summers to death in this, but he (Summers) is STILL probably gonna be the next Fed chair.  Sigh.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/why-janet-yellen-not-larry-summers-should-lead-the-fed/?_r=0

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 07, 2013, 03:54:25 PM

UK's lowest-paid employees to be classed as 'not working enough'
One million people could be pushed to earn more – or have their benefits cut, says Department for Work and Pensions
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/06/uk-lowest-paid-classed-not-working-enough

You have to claim benefits to make ends meet because your shit job doesn't pay well enough? Well, why don't you just, I don't know, try working more? :leon There's totally more jobs out there, I swear! How about a second zero-hour contract? Lord Tesco needs more desperate peasants. :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 07, 2013, 03:55:42 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 07, 2013, 01:31:21 PM

Stiglitz shivs Larry Summers to death in this, but he (Summers) is STILL probably gonna be the next Fed chair.  Sigh.

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/why-janet-yellen-not-larry-summers-should-lead-the-fed/?_r=0

Larry Summers has photos and videos of the illuminati in compromising positions :hans1

At least that is what I tell myself because it boggles the mind how he can do so well at failing upwards.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 07, 2013, 05:24:07 PM

Quote

fearless middle-school history teacher

Wha? I thought only fegs become teachers?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2013, 11:38:31 AM

how the fuck haven't I seen this before today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2013, 01:41:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2013, 11:38:31 AM

how the fuck haven't I seen this before today

Cuz the Lamestream Media covered it up.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2013, 09:27:23 PM

This is a thing that happened.  America, putting our best foot forward.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/08/bachmann-gohmert-and-kings-surreal-egyptian-presser-blames-muslim-brotherhood-for-911/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2013, 09:34:52 PM

The Three Stooges

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2013, 11:19:48 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/zbAqFsK.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2013, 09:47:38 AM

Quote from: Dumbass

“We want to make sure that you have the Apache helicopters, the F-16s, the equipment that you have so bravely used to capture terrorists and to take care of this menace that’s on your border,” she continued.

They don't give a shit about egypt. They are mouth pieces of the war profiteers.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 09, 2013, 09:54:25 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on September 09, 2013, 09:47:38 AM

Quote from: Dumbass

“We want to make sure that you have the Apache helicopters, the F-16s, the equipment that you have so bravely used to capture terrorists and to take care of this menace that’s on your border,” she continued.

Israel? :leon

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 09, 2013, 12:03:31 PM

I could see why a layperson would think that all radical Muslims are pro-bin Laden, what is surprising is that she thought that Western countries were initially supporting a political party that in some way was behind the 9/11 attacks. I mean that's just nearly too fucked up for a Monday morning .

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2013, 12:29:59 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on September 09, 2013, 12:03:31 PM

I could see why a layperson would think that all radical Muslims are pro-bin Laden, what is surprising is that she thought that Western countries were initially supporting a political party that in some way was behind the 9/11 attacks. I mean that's just nearly too fucked up for a Monday morning .

That's fairly standard Bachmann rhetoric.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2013, 01:38:50 PM

She HAS to have a handler though. I refuse to believe she is bright enough to think this stuff up on her own.

It will be so much better when she is gone.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2013, 08:08:47 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/08/iowa-grants-gun-permits-to-the-blind/2780303/

Quote

Wethington, the Cedar County sheriff, has a legally blind daughter who plans to obtain a permit to carry when she turns 21 in about two years. He demonstrated for the Register how he would train blind people who want to carry a gun.

"If sheriffs spent more time trying to keep guns out of criminals' hands and not people with disabilities, their time would be more productive," Wethington said as he and his daughter took turns practice shooting with a semi-automatic handgun on private property in rural Cedar County.

drew, explain.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2013, 07:57:56 PM

Quote from: http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/09/grand-betrayal-conservatives-gop-gambit-defund-obamacare.php?ref=fpa

The initial reviews from conservatives Tuesday are in and they’re staunchly negative. The proposed House Republican plan to force the Senate to vote on defunding Obamacare — while removing the threat of a government shutdown if Democrats reject the legislation — seems to have inflamed the very people it was designed to placate.

The plan was pushed by Republican leaders at a conference meeting Tuesday morning, and may be brought up in the House this week.

“Boehner has cooked up a bait and switch to give the Senate a hall pass to fund Obamacare while pretending not to,” Dean Clancy, the vice president of health care policy at the conservative activist group FreedomWorks, told TPM. “We oppose this kind of parliamentary trickery. … This is a grand betrayal that they’re cooking up here. They think they can baffle and confuse people, but we’re going to make sure they don’t succeed.”

Quote

“They should pass a bill funding the government without Obamacare,” said Clancy. “Then they fold their arms, smile and wait.”

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 11, 2013, 06:18:38 AM

this is my second mayoral election but the first one to which i've really paid attention and shit cray.

i mean all local politics are cray, but i think that the money in this city and force of personalities makes it just so over the top.

but this is just really weird to me.

http://gothamist.com/2013/09/11/voter_fraud_attempts.php

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What appears to be an orchestrated pattern of voter fraud is being reported at a pivotal precinct in South Williamsburg. According to a Board of Elections poll worker and another poll watcher, groups of young Hasidic men attempted to enter the polling station at IS 71 and vote under the names of other citizens who have yet to vote. "They're signing signatures, but the ID they show doesn't match the signature on the forms. Yes, there's been some illegal stuff going on," BOE poll worker Antoinette Reaves said.

An NYPD officer standing outside IS 71 told us he had witnessed four men attempting to vote under the wrong name in the two hours he had been posted there.

While some of the attempts were made by men who looked to be of voting age, others struck poll workers as obviously fraudulent. "They're fourteen, fifteen years old, walking in here with a crowd of people. We stopped them and asked for ID—we know they're too young to go in there. They've been trying it all day," Reaves said. "The same faces are appearing."

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Simon, a 24-year-old Hasid with a baby girl, expressed an even stronger bond with his community. "I don't know the meaning of democracy, I just vote what they tell me to do, because maybe they've made deals with the politicians," he told us. "If people voted more than once or voted for other people, I don't know if that happened, but it doesn't matter to me, because I know they're voting for the right people."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2013, 12:12:30 PM

Haha, religion is just fucking AWESOME

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 11, 2013, 12:17:03 PM

It's more tribalism. I mean there's a lot of special interest bloc voters here in NYC (the Unions probably the most famous one) but the depths of this fraud stuff is just kind of crazy to me.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2013, 12:53:53 PM

I understand issue based tribalism, though- like unions totally make sense to me

Voting however you're told and not having any thoughts about the rationale behind your vote (or possible fraud) because HEY RELIGION is what freaks me the fuck out

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2013, 05:54:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sz9Eyfn8csg

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 12, 2013, 06:04:30 PM

No one puts it down like grumpy old people.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Except  :paul

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2013, 06:06:51 PM

that's my congressman :tocry

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 12, 2013, 06:09:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2013, 06:06:51 PM

that's my congressman :tocry

Yeah, but we know who your governor is :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2013, 07:33:53 PM

PD's governor accepted Obamacare, at least, unlike my governor.  >:(

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2013, 10:10:38 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2013, 07:33:53 PM

PD's governor accepted Obamacare, at least, unlike my governor.  >:(

That's cool, at least my governor is openly trying to turn our state into a libertopian hellhole of insanity. 

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on September 13, 2013, 01:08:12 AM

My governor is Tommy Carcetti.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 13, 2013, 11:17:31 AM

Poll: 78% of Americans don't know what the fuck the debt ceiling is

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/poll-44-percent-of-americans-oppose-raising-debt?ref=fpb

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on September 13, 2013, 04:02:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2013, 07:33:53 PM

PD's governor accepted Obamacare, at least, unlike my governor.  >:(

Our governor is fully embracing O'care - of course we have some many poor people it makes sense. Hell, he even overruled the legislature on science standards implementation when all the crispies and hillbillies cried foul. Shame he didn't put himself up to challenge McConnell (even though he would probably lose).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 15, 2013, 09:28:16 AM

Conservatives' buttlust for Putin knows no bounds :lol

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-rep-arm-wrestled-putin-he-put-me

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"So we got down to these arm-wrestling matches and I ended up being paired off with Putin!" he continued. "And he's a little guy but boy I tell ya -- he put me down in a millisecond. He is tough! He just - muscles were just unbelievable."

no homo, obvs  :-*

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2013, 09:28:55 AM

"Daddy!" :uguu

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2013, 04:06:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2013, 11:38:31 AM

how the fuck haven't I seen this before today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o

Was doing pretty good until the end, when they fucked up the guitar chords.  :shaq2

Original is way superior:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZdzY9TGu1c

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 15, 2013, 09:28:16 AM

Conservatives' buttlust for Putin knows no bounds :lol

http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-rep-arm-wrestled-putin-he-put-me

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"So we got down to these arm-wrestling matches and I ended up being paired off with Putin!" he continued. "And he's a little guy but boy I tell ya -- he put me down in a millisecond. He is tough! He just - muscles were just unbelievable."

no homo, obvs  :-*

I can't find it, but a few years ago, Erick Erickson plastered several pics of a shirtless Putin on his site and talked about how "manly" he was.  :mouf


Btw, my governor seems to be the best right now. He's about to sign a bill that increases our minimum wage to 10$/hr.  :bow

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 15, 2013, 06:15:15 PM

:rejoice Summers withdraws from Fed consideration

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/09/15/summers_withdraws_name_for_fed_chairmanship.html

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 15, 2013, 06:20:57 PM

Only to be replaced by Rob Rubin or Geithner.  :patel

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2013, 06:21:08 PM

Sounds like liberals blew up the nomination, republicans didn't have much of a say. Good.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2013, 03:01:58 AM

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Boehner also has assured Wall Street and K Street that he will not allow the U.S. government to default on its debt — effectively removing some of his leverage in the battle.

There, I saved everyone a Politico click.

They'll hold out as long as possible in anticipation of an Obama cave, but if it doesn't come they'll fold (again). I don't think Obama will negotiate on either the CR or the debt ceiling.

2013, completely wasted. Seems like Obama's presidency is pretty much over, outside of debt ceiling battles every 10 months. Couple more years of high unemployment and he might be Bush status in many people's eyes, which IMO is what republicans have been trying to do. No sympathy, tbh.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2013, 03:30:06 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 15, 2013, 06:15:15 PM

:rejoice Summers withdraws from Fed consideration

http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/09/15/summers_withdraws_name_for_fed_chairmanship.html

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/16/investing/stocks-markets/index.html?iid=HP_LN

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S&P nears record after Summers' withdrawal

dat invisible hand

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2013, 12:04:21 PM

Are you guys ready for GOVT. SHUTDOWN THUNDERDOME???

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2013/09/no-endgame-in-sight-to-avert-a-government-shutdown.php?ref=fpa

WHO RUNS BARTERTOWN???

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2013, 12:06:21 PM

TEABAGGEDDON II: STARVE HARDER

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 09:03:19 PM

"He should work with us to delay his health care law for everyone.”

Yes, Obama should fully dedicate himself to undermining his agenda. Why won't he do that? It would be ... BIPARTISAN.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2013, 09:06:07 PM

The current situation with the GOP in Congress would be hilarious if they weren't actively screwing over the country with their antics.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2013, 09:07:22 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/did-ted-cruz-just-force-republicans-into-a-government-shutdown-they-dont-want-2013-9

Sounds like we're off to the races!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2013, 09:09:44 PM

Gov shutdown for a few days, like last time. Just watch how insane republicans go when Obama mentions social security checks might be delayed....and eventually they'll fold.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 18, 2013, 10:42:00 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/house-conservatives-obamacare_n_3946919.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
Hey look! The GOP actually put together an alternative to Obamacare!

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Under the proposal endorsed by the Republican Study Committee, individuals who purchase coverage approved for sale in their state could claim a deduction of $7,500 against their income and payroll taxes, regardless of the cost of the insurance. Families could deduct $20,000.

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Rep. Steve Scalise, R-La., the RSC chairman, said the group wanted an alternative "that actually lowered cost and increased access, and did it in a way that doesn't have the mandates and the taxes" that are part of what's come to be known as "Obamacare."

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The RSC legislation includes a number of proposals that Republicans long have backed to expand access and hold down the cost of health care, including features that permit companies to sell policies across state lines and that let small businesses join together to seek better rates from insurers.

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No overall cost estimates for the bill were available.

Officials said the legislation contains no provision to assure insurance coverage for millions of lower-income Americans who are scheduled under current law to be enrolled in Medicaid, a state-federal health care program for the poor.

Nor are there replacements for several of the requirements the current law imposes on insurance companies, including one that requires them to retain children up to the age of 26 on their parents' coverage plan and another barring lifetime limits on coverage.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2013, 12:16:14 PM

Legislating is hard, a lesson the current GOP doesn't seem to understand or care about. You need a mechanism in the bill to cut costs...

I wonder why they allow small business exchanges (decided by the employer), but not individual exchanges. Actually, no I don't.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2013, 01:58:23 PM

Quote from: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michigan-ag-state-s-gay-marriage-ban-necessary-to-regulate-sexual-relationships

In the brief filed Sept. 9, the state says that Michigan has defined marriage as being between "one man, one woman" in order to "regulate sexual relationships between men and women so that the unique procreative capacity of such relationships benefits rather than harms society."The state also says that before a 2004 court ruling asserting the right of same-sex couples to get married in Massachusetts, "it was commonly understood that the institution of marriage owed its very existence to society’s vital interest in responsible procreation and childrearing."

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2013, 09:42:00 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rubio-obama-should-stop-threatening-government-shutdown

The balls on these guys   :neogaf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2013, 09:53:43 PM

PD EXPLAIN

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2013/09/18/michigan-claims-right-regulate-sexual-relationships/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2013, 10:15:53 PM

Do you even read this thread? :beli

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2013, 10:54:15 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2013, 10:15:53 PM

Do you even read this thread? :beli

Guess he's unwilling to pledge the $25 necessary to see your posts.  :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2013, 11:40:24 PM

Shut up, Dog. I'm senile.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 19, 2013, 10:34:26 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9iO8ZCq3R8

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2013, 12:34:00 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7cRsfW0Jv8

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2013, 12:47:12 PM

"Oh, I see you chose to sign up for ObamaCare!"

:comeon :snoop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2013, 02:54:45 PM

Is Uncle Sam performing the state-required trans-vaginal ultrasound in that video?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2013, 07:22:37 PM

Unsuprisingly, House Republicans pushed their shitty-ass food stamp bill through to the Senate.

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Basically, it would cut benefits for "able-bodied adults" who aren't caring for children to only 3 months of food stamps during any 3-year period, unless they also work part-time or are in a job-training program.

Because when the economy is shitty and it's hard to find a job, clearly that's the right time to start cutting people off from getting food. Obviously, the Senate will kill it, but Republicans just wanted to make sure no one had forgotten how much they hate poor people.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2013, 09:37:55 PM

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The retreat by Cruz has led to public questioning from House Republicans about his motives and political acumen, not to mention joking speculation that he may be part of a vast and devious liberal conspiracy to undermine conservatives.

"Cruz is the leader of a secret cabal of leftists that are seeking control of the conservative movement," quipped one senior House Republican leadership source. "Their aim is to force the party to take on suicidal missions to destroy the movement from within."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/19/ted-cruz-shutdown-house-republicans_n_3954461.html

(http://i.minus.com/ibu1kwcJe6WSyc.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2013, 09:59:54 PM

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 20, 2013, 07:01:47 AM

Well, he is Canadian, after all.   :teehee

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2013, 10:47:02 AM

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Does anybody remember Charlie Sheen when he was kind of going crazy…And he was going around, jumping around saying 'Winning, winning, we’re winning,' Well I kind of feel like that, we are winning. And I’m not on any drugs.
~Rand Paul (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/rand-paul-republicans-charlie-sheen-97108.html)

 :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 20, 2013, 12:48:20 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2013, 10:47:02 AM

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Does anybody remember Charlie Sheen when he was kind of going crazy…And he was going around, jumping around saying 'Winning, winning, we’re winning,' Well I kind of feel like that, we are winning. And I’m not on any drugs.
~Rand Paul (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/rand-paul-republicans-charlie-sheen-97108.html)

 :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul :paul

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 20, 2013, 01:07:26 PM

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Republicans who pressured House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) into taking up a bill to defund Obamacare and risk a government shutdown are following in the tradition of two American civil rights icons, according to one GOP lawmaker.

“It only takes one with passion — look at Rosa Parks, Lech Walesa, Martin Luther King,” Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL), who was elected to the House last year, told the New York Times in a story published Friday. "People with passion that speak up, they’ll have people follow them because they believe the same way, and smart leadership listens to that.”

The House passed on Friday a continuing resolution that will provide funding for the government but defund the health care law. Passage of the bill, which has no chance of winning approval in the Democratic-controlled Senate, greatly raises the risk of a government shutdown.

#YOHO

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2013, 01:12:51 PM

Quote from: Eschaton on September 20, 2013, 12:30:05 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2424555/Bill-Clintons-mistress-Gennifer-Flowers-Wed-today-wasnt-Chelsea.html

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

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The Madonna of Little Rock, Arkansas

:deadpos

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2013, 06:16:41 PM

K-Thug on the looming government shutdown:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/20/opinion/krugman-the-crazy-party.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1379682075-AK2L9pTlYQWoqCyKo+X74g&_r=1&

TL;DR - Republican party is now a runaway train of crazy that will probably kill us all, have a nice day!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 21, 2013, 10:34:17 PM

Has this shit been posted?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7cRsfW0Jv8

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2013, 09:19:32 PM

Sounds like the Ted Cruz 2016 train is already off the tracks

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Fox News Sunday host Chris Wallace said Sunday morning that he’d received opposition research from other Republicans about Senator Ted Cruz (R-TX) in advance of Cruz’s appearance this morning, a serious indication of how upset the GOP is with the Senator leading the risky charge to defund ObamaCare.

“This has been one of the strangest weeks I’ve ever had in Washington,” Wallace said. “As soon as we listed Ted Cruz as our featured guest this week, I got unsolicited research and questions, not from Democrats but from top Republicans, to hammer Cruz.”

“This was a strategy laid out by Mike Lee (R-UT) and Ted Cruz without any consultation with their colleagues,” said Karl Rove. “With all due respect to my junior Senator from Texas, I suspect this is the first time that the end game was described to any Republican Senator. They had to tune in to listen to you to find out what Ted’s next step was in the strategy.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-wallace-stunned-gop-leaders-sent-me-opposition-research-on-ted-cruz/

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2013, 12:45:00 PM

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/atlasshrugged/atlas-shrugged-movie-who-is-john-galt?ref=recently_launched

:heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 23, 2013, 01:02:24 PM

Ted Cruz has been rustling too many damn feathers to actually be a contender in 2016.  I think only the most hardcore teatards believed he ever had a chance.  Rand Paul on the other hand seems to have taken just enough crazy from his father to entice hardcore libertarians and he can also manage to navigate the US political game pretty well.  I think he's the perfect combination in this political climate to rally support from the Republican base.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 23, 2013, 03:43:06 PM

That is true within the GOP, but the way things are going I can't see any GOP candidate garnering mainstream report. The CNBC polling on this shutdown fight is bad news for that party.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2013, 03:56:36 PM

If the Dems nominate a woman, it won't matter who the GOP runs.  The self-inflicted wounds the GOP inflicts on itself trying to deal with a woman candidate on the other side will be enough to propel Clinton, Gillibrand, whoever to an easy win.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2013, 04:31:29 PM

This has to be the most intellectually dishonest derp I've seen in awhile
http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/09/23/its-official-obamacare-will-increase-health-spending-by-7450-for-a-typical-family-of-four/

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$621 billion is a pretty eye-glazing number. Most readers will find it easier to think about how this number translates to a typical American family—the very family candidate Obama promised would see $2,500 in annual savings as far as the eye could see. So I have taken the latest year-by-year projections, divided by the projected U.S. population to determine the added amount per person and multiplied the result by 4.

Simplistic? Maybe, but so too was the President’s campaign promise. And this approach allows us to see just how badly that promise fell short of the mark. Between 2014 and 2022, the increase in national health spending (which the Medicare actuaries specifically attribute to the law) amounts to $7,450 per family of 4.

:derp

Pigeon addressed it on GAF http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=83320165&postcount=13

wtf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 23, 2013, 06:28:17 PM

it must be pretty sweet to make hundreds of thousands of dollars by shitting out columns that'd get failed in a basic college course

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2013, 06:34:54 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on September 23, 2013, 06:28:17 PM

it must be pretty sweet to make hundreds of thousands of dollars by shitting out columns that'd get failed in a basic college course

aka, "being Megan McArdle"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2013, 07:52:12 PM

I thought I was reading something from Fox Nation, but then I saw it was Forbes, so close enough.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 24, 2013, 10:22:13 AM

ACORN's long term plans were to get Bill Di Blasio to become mayor of NYC?

http://nypost.com/2013/09/24/acorn-sowed-seeds-for-de-blasio/

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The leftist group ACORN has been plotting for more than a decade to install Bill de Blasio at City Hall, a Democratic Party source has told The Post.

“Without exaggeration, ACORN’s long-range plan since 2001 was to elect de Blasio mayor,” said the Democratic insider. “De Blasio was a big ACORN project.”

The Democratic mayoral candidate has marched in lock step with ACORN, now renamed New York Communities for Change, even before he took public office in 2001.

The group backed de Blasio that year over Legal Aid Services director Steven Banks in a six-way Brooklyn City Council race, despite Banks’ reputation at the time as a one of the city’s leading champions of the poor and liberal causes.

Eight years later, ACORN was back at de Blasio’s side and, with the union-financed Working Families Party, helped him become public advocate, a perch he used to become the Democratic nominee for mayor.

A key cog in the de Blasio political machine is Bertha Lewis, the former ACORN head who also co-founded the Working Families Party.

On primary election night earlier this month, when she stood on stage t next to de Blasio, Lewis made it clear ACORN’s work had paid off.

“We’re baaaack. The right wing will have to deal with it,” she chuckled.

But Lewis scoffed that she or the organization had a “master plan” to elect de Blasio as the city’s chief executive.

“Shame on us,” she quipped. “We don’t think that far ahead. We take one race at a time.”

But she added: “There’s no doubt we were there for Bill. New York ACORN supported Bill for council. Then we supported him for public advocate.”

De Blasio told The Post he’s proud to stand with Lewis and her group.

“Bertha Lewis is one of the city’s most passionate and effective progressive leaders, and I’m proud to have worked with her for years,” he said.

NYCC/ACORN has been crusading for more subsidized housing and a higher minimum wage. It’s also at the forefront of the fight against the expansion of charter schools.

It receives hundreds of thousands of dollars from unions to organize workers, and its agenda mirrors labor’s.

De Blasio is on the same page. He has vowed to impose a moratorium on co-locating charter schools within public schools and has even recommended charging them rent — a potentially crippling financial blow to the charters.

De Blasio’s most startling alignment with ACORN came on the Atlantic Yards redevelopment project in Downtown Brooklyn, which originally drew protests from local residents.

De Blasio, who lives in neighboring Park Slope, initially was skeptical. But he came on board in 2006 after being convinced by ACORN — an early supporter of the complex — that there would be a huge payoff in affordable housing units.

The first tower isn’t scheduled to open until next year.

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i both can and can't believe that the specter of ACORN is being used by the Post to strike fear into the hearts of Post readers

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2013, 10:31:47 AM

But how does George Sorors factor in?

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 24, 2013, 01:17:55 PM

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/09/23/one-big-trader-lost-millions-betting-on-romney-study-finds/

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A new academic paper digging into presidential betting in the final weeks of the 2012 election finds that a single trader lost between $4 million and $7 million placing a flurry of Intrade bets on Mitt Romney—perhaps to make the Republican nominee’s chance of victory appear brighter.
The most plausible reason for the betting, the authors conclude, is that “this trader could have been attempting to manipulate beliefs about the odds of victory in an attempt to boost fundraising, campaign morale, and turnout.”

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 24, 2013, 01:21:59 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on September 24, 2013, 01:17:55 PM

“this trader could have been attempting to manipulate beliefs about the odds of victory in an attempt to boost fundraising, campaign morale, and turnout.”

I can believe that.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 24, 2013, 01:47:27 PM

A fairly eye-opening quote from Bill Kristol:

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The long-term political effects of a successful Obama health care bill will be even worse--much worse. It will relegitimize middle-class dependence for "security" on government spending and regulation. It will revive the reputation of the party that spends and regulates, the Democrats, as the generous protector of middle-class interests. And it will at the same time strike a punishing blow against Republican claims to defend the middle class by restraining government.

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Just kidding! He didn't actually say that about Obama.

...

He said that about CLINTON. Back in 1993.

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 24, 2013, 03:26:20 PM

Ted Cruz would be pretty scary if he wasn't shoving his party in a woodchipper fulltime

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2013, 08:38:00 PM

The ex-Pope said that he never covered up sex abuse:
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/24/ex-pope-breaks-silence-denies-sex-abuse-cover-ups/?hpt=hp_c2

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"As far as you mentioning the moral abuse of minors by priests, I can only, as you know, acknowledge it with profound consternation. But I never tried to cover up these things."

So, now we got that cleared up.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 24, 2013, 09:28:14 PM

Placere intelligere

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2013, 01:12:56 AM

Quote from: http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-reads-green-eggs-and-ham-to-his-daughters-on-senate-floor-video

"'Green Eggs and Ham' has some applicability, as curious as it may sound, to the Obamcare debate," Cruz said after he finished, to a few audible chuckles from the Senate gallery.

Americans "did not like green eggs and ham, and they did not like Obamacare either," he added. "They did not like Obamacare in a box, with a fox, in a house, with a mouse."

The whole point of Green Eggs and Ham was that the protagonist was being stubborn and silly about something he'd never tried before. In the end, he liked green eggs and ham!  :neogaf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 25, 2013, 03:27:12 AM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on September 25, 2013, 01:26:08 AM

sometimes i wonder if they're doing this stuff on purpose

then i remember, Republicans.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2013, 08:41:02 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/JUpvpBY.jpg)

:lol

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 25, 2013, 01:22:39 PM

Ted Cruz just voted yay for cloture

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2013, 06:09:38 PM

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But Wednesday's vote was on the motion to begin debating the spending bill. There will be another vote to close debate on the bill in the coming days. That's the one that Cruz said he wants Senate Republicans to oppose unless they get their way on defunding Obamacare.

That's why Cruz, Mike Lee (R-UT), Marco Rubio (R-FL) and others voted in favor of Wednesday's motion. But it seems that the procedural machinations weren't clear to some of their constituents.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-gop-s-constituents-are-confused-about-obamacare-vote

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 25, 2013, 06:11:04 PM

The average person is dumb.  News at 11.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2013, 06:18:16 PM

You made the monster, now deal with it.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 25, 2013, 06:34:29 PM

I know it's asking a lot from our idiot media, but I would love a little recognition that the entire Republican party just got played as a PR stunt for Ted Cruz 2016.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2013, 08:22:38 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on September 25, 2013, 06:34:29 PM

I know it's asking a lot from our idiot media, but I would love a little recognition that the entire Republican party just got played as a PR stunt for Ted Cruz 2016.

I've seen it mentioned a bit, but it's usually down a ways down in the opinion section below the main OMG CRUZ TALKIN headline.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/25/opinion/borger-cruz-spectacle/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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Nevermind. None of this has been about reality. Rather, it's about cementing a new definition of leadership: Positioning yourself as the spokesman for your political base by telling it exactly what it wants to hear. In Cruz's case, it's the tea party base. Lucky for him, there's a made-for-TV bully pulpit, plenty of time to talk and the talking points are easy and oh, so, predictable.

...

Cruz gets to cuddle the tea party while taking on the evil establishment — and by that he means the awful folks in his own party who would not shut down the government over a doomed move to kill Obamacare. Imagine that: Republicans refusing to catapult a man they don't like into the presidential arena. Maybe they're part of Cruz's evil establishment, but if they are, they're trying to save him — and the party — from itself on the issue of shutting down the government. Cruz is thinking 2016, but they're thinking about the repercussions for the GOP if the government shuts down.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 25, 2013, 10:02:03 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 25, 2013, 06:11:04 PM

The average person is dumb.  News at 11.

They're right this time. If Cruz had a problem with the second vote then why did he schedule his rant to delay the first one?

Reid just got unanimous consent to advance the calendar a day and vote on the second cloture a day early. If this is the important one then why did Cruz consent to that? It's all horse shit.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2013, 11:47:30 PM

So far the ACA exchange rates look good, although they are limited by income. Then again it's understandable considering most people who make 50k+ a year tend to already have employer based insurance.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/final-word-on-obamacare-coverage-cheaper-than-expected

There will be glitches and rough bumps, such as the people who are seeing their employer health insurance get canceled due to grandfathered plans not complying with ACA regulations/quality demands. But overall I think a lot of low and middle income people are going to have good experiences with it, just based off the exchange rates I've seen thus far.

On a work note, it sounds like we will end up accepting kids through the Medicaid expansion after all. Delta is going to be handling the expanded Medicaid coverage for children in the state, which is good news for providers. We don't accept straight up Medicaid due to how poorly they pay providers; for instance the cost of a small filling (without insurance) is $155, and Medicaid pays $10 of that. However we do accept Medicaid plans through Delta for children, and the provider rates are much better.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 26, 2013, 02:02:26 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-ridicules-gop-fear-mongering-of-obamacare

I wish he would make a national address just like this. I think it needs to be done.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2013, 05:44:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/corker-lays-into-cruz-for-shutdown-strategy

:phil

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 26, 2013, 06:14:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2013, 05:44:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/corker-lays-into-cruz-for-shutdown-strategy

:phil

:drudge

Good stuff this government shutdown.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 26, 2013, 06:32:09 PM

It's disgusting they can raise money off this.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2013, 06:55:18 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/09/26/college-republicans-freak-out-when-hollyweirdo-senate-candidate-is-picked-up-at-the-airport-by-her-own-husband/

Cheebs vindicated!

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At least it was her husband and not her mom, tho.

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Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2013, 10:28:37 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCj3XtKsZfQ

You don't normally see republicans go at it in the senate. Corker is gonna get primary'd

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 27, 2013, 11:44:18 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/gop-s-dangerous-debt-limit-demand-a-christmas-tree-of-conservative-goodies

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The bill, obtained by the National Review, tacks on items including a one-year delay of Obamacare; tax reform in the image of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI); approval of the Keystone pipeline; expanded offshore drilling and other pro-oil and coal energy reforms; increases in military spending coupled with deeper cuts to domestic programs; repealing a fund in the financial regulatory reform bill; means testing for Medicare; repealing the Obamacare prevention and public health fund and medical malpractice reform.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-all-that-was-missing-from-gop-s-debt-limit-demands-was-a-birther-bill

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“The only thing I didn’t see was a birther bill attached to it," Carney quipped during the White House press briefing.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/1icu35.jpg)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2013, 11:47:11 AM

It's like some alternate reality where Romney won the election.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 27, 2013, 12:42:17 PM

Sounds like the Austria-Hungary ultimatum.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2013, 01:59:13 PM

Obamacare defund stripped from CR with 54-44 vote in senate. Cruz loses (surprise).

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

holy shit Obama just got off the phone with Iran's president
:drudge

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 27, 2013, 03:57:18 PM

bloop bloop  GOP shitstorm incoming  bloop bloop

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2013, 03:57:47 PM

I guess somebody in DC's gotta get work done.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Vizzys on September 27, 2013, 04:01:17 PM

obama had to go on national television and tell republicans to grow up

this is reality

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 27, 2013, 04:16:14 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

holy shit Obama just got off the phone with Iran's president
:drudge

"We'll exchange your chemical weapons for our economic ones."  :obama

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2013, 04:41:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

holy shit Obama just got off the phone with Iran's president
:drudge

HOW COME HE'LL NEGOTIATE WITH IRAN BUT NOt REPUBLICANS?!?!?!?!?! (http://i.imgur.com/2rClfyy.gif)

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 27, 2013, 05:53:15 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2013, 04:41:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

holy shit Obama just got off the phone with Iran's president
:drudge

HOW COME HE'LL NEGOTIATE WITH IRAN BUT NOt REPUBLICANS?!?!?!?!?! (http://i.imgur.com/2rClfyy.gif)

Already happened:

Rory Cooper (works for Eric Cantor): "The President won't talk to people with bombs strapped to their chest...only the Iranian president, who literally funds that."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2013, 05:59:50 PM

Obama picks up the phone for Iran and then drops the mic on the GOP.  :patel

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 28, 2013, 03:59:02 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2013, 04:41:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

holy shit Obama just got off the phone with Iran's president
:drudge

HOW COME HE'LL NEGOTIATE WITH IRAN BUT NOt REPUBLICANS?!?!?!?!?! (http://i.imgur.com/2rClfyy.gif)

The US doesn't negotiate with terrorists. :smug

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2013, 05:25:02 PM

I think we're going to have a shut down.  Worse, I also think we're going to have a default.  I seriously can't think of a "come to Jesus" moment feasible with these fucking lunatics.

Time to stock up on bottled water and ammunition...

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2013, 06:13:08 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 28, 2013, 05:25:02 PM

I think we're going to have a shut down.  Worse, I also think we're going to have a default.  I seriously can't think of a "come to Jesus" moment feasible with these fucking lunatics.

Time to stock up on bottled water and ammunition...

Get a hold of yourself, we're liberals, man!

We should stock up on blacks, mexicans, and gay sex.  :-*

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2013, 06:14:22 PM

Shutdown seems inevitable at this point. The House is passing a CR w/1 year Obamacare delay and an elimination of the medical device tax tonight. Democrats will strip that shit out again on Sunday.

But there is literally no way we default brehs. Let's take deep breaths. Boehner has assured K/Wall Street he won't allow that to happen. All he needs is 20 republicans to avoid default.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2013, 08:24:21 PM

The Mitt Romney salt mine hasn't run dry yet.  :sabu

Quote from: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/09/27/hispanic-outreach-mitt-romneys-largest-error-from-2012/?hpt=hp_t2

"The largest strategic error was not investing sufficiently, particularly in Hispanic TV and Hispanic outreach to help Hispanic voters understand that ours is the party of opportunity," Romney told CNN’s Jake Tapper of the lesson to be learned for GOP presidential campaigns of the future.

"I think my position and the position of our party is not well understood at the Hispanic community," said Romney. "I want to see immigration reform. I said that during the campaign. I want to make sure we have a legal immigration system that brings, in my view, more people legally to our country. I'd like to do that."

"Hispanics just don't understand how much we love them!"  :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on September 28, 2013, 08:49:32 PM

shoulda used more spraytan breh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2013, 08:53:26 PM

this nicca told Hispanic people to put themselves back in the pokeball during the primaries, now he's still making excuses?
:neogaf

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2013, 09:07:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2013, 08:53:26 PM

this nicca told Hispanic people to put themselves back in the pokeball during the primaries, now he's still making excuses?
:neogaf

"That's back when I was trying to get with those boring white GOP primary voters, baby.  Now I want a taste of DAT CALIENTE."

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2013, 09:13:33 PM

Remember Marco Rubio's immigration reform bill? Neither does he!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2013, 09:14:45 PM

Rubio definitely self deported his presidential aspirations with that bill.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: nudemacusers on September 29, 2013, 01:33:21 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2013, 06:14:22 PM

Shutdown seems inevitable at this point. The House is passing a CR w/1 year Obamacare delay and an elimination of the medical device tax tonight. Democrats will strip that shit out again on Sunday.

But there is literally no way we default brehs. Let's take deep breaths. Boehner has assured K/Wall Street he won't allow that to happen. All he needs is 20 republicans to avoid default.

I swear every time this shit happens my wife's email gets cluttered with YOU MIGHT NOT GET PAID letters and nothing ever happens. pretty gross how the republicans are trying to weasel military support out of this one.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 29, 2013, 03:09:32 AM

Speaking of the debt limit, some random teabagger posted this:

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So, if I write a check for $100.00 on my checking account when I have a $25.00 balance, then two weeks later deposit $75.00, I will not only have spent $75.00 more than I had, but I will owe bounced check fees. How have I not raised my 'debt ceiling'? I once had $25.00, and now I'm in debt another $75 plus fees.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2013, 06:12:55 AM

I like to tell those people that running a country's finances is clearly analogous to running a household's finances; I know this because of that 2nd mortgage I had to take out when I declared war on Germany a couple years ago.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 29, 2013, 08:55:44 AM

Fiat money, how does it work? :derp Economics should be taught in schools.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2013, 09:47:33 AM

Here's a check for $2 Trillion for the Iraq War, but don't cash it until next week when I get paid, pls.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2013, 09:52:11 AM

Most people have a ton of debt anyway. Credit card debt, student loans, mortgages, ect.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2013, 12:19:43 PM

brb lemme print some money so I can pay my Comcast bill.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 29, 2013, 03:32:30 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2013, 09:52:11 AM

Most people have a ton of debt anyway. Credit card debt, student loans, mortgages, ect.

The average middle class person probably has more debt than assets for the majority of their life when you consider student loans, home mortgage, business loans, etc.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 29, 2013, 06:52:29 PM

Let's take a look at what's happening over in Britain:

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George Osborne will continue the government's push to reduce welfare spending by announcing a nationwide scheme on Monday to force 200,000 long-term unemployed benefit claimants to either undertake community work, attend a jobcentre every day or go on a full-time intensive programme to tackle the underlying reasons for their failure to find work.

[...]

Polling suggests there is continued public support for ever tougher welfare crackdowns and with the Tories trailing in the polls and in need of a strong response to Ed Miliband's populist conference speech last week, strategists have returned to one of their strongest and most familiar policy areas to push the message that they are on the side of hard-working people.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/sep/29/george-osborne-crackdown-jobless-costs

:clap :sabu

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2013, 07:08:17 PM

Hey, that sounds a lot like America!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2013, 07:48:41 PM

...no it doesn't.  Providing them community work to do and job centers to go to?  Republicans just want to line up the poor and dick punch them.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on September 30, 2013, 02:58:45 AM

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George Osborne will continue the government's push to reduce welfare spending by announcing a nationwide scheme on Monday to force 200,000 long-term unemployed benefit claimants to either undertake community work, attend a jobcentre every day or go on a full-time intensive programme to tackle the underlying reasons for their failure to find work.

the underlying reason for the failure to find work being there being no jobs ? or zero hour contracts? Not sure how this plan fixes anything!

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Polling suggests there is continued public support for ever tougher welfare crackdowns and with the Tories trailing in the polls and in need of a strong response to Ed Miliband's populist conference speech last week, strategists have returned to one of their strongest and most familiar policy areas to push the message that they are on the side of hard-working people.

lol - i have to hand it to them : when i went back earlier this year -everyone- was blaming the cheap foreign labor and immigrants for ruining the entire country and not, you know.... the people who did the vast majority of the damage.

The Tories are full of amazing ideas - i'd revisit the bedroom tax again but my brain would turn to mush

Quote

Providing them community work to do and job centers to go to?  Republicans just want to line up the poor and dick punch them

lol - workfare is awesome. Go and do a short contract full time job for NO MONEY beyond your benefits for large multinational companies who -then- don't employ people on an actual wage because "thanks for the free workforce"

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 30, 2013, 08:23:21 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on September 30, 2013, 02:58:45 AM

the underlying reason for the failure to find work being there being no jobs ? or zero hour contracts? Not sure how this plan fixes anything!

Yeah. It would be funny if it weren't so tragic. You just have to prod them enough, they'll find work for sure! But it isn't about that any more. Make the numbers and flog those who have neither monetary nor political capital. They suffer so the City doesn't have to.

Case in point:
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/sep/30/iain-duncan-smith-sick-disabled-benefits

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2013, 09:00:19 AM

Poor people just aren't ashamed enough of their poverty, that's the problem!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on September 30, 2013, 09:12:44 AM

removed because i sounded like Bernard RightON!

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2013, 10:06:28 AM

Are there any good write-ups about the consequences if the government shuts down AND we default? It's Monday morning and I'm in the mood for some post-apocalyptic fanfic.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 30, 2013, 10:20:56 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on September 30, 2013, 09:12:44 AM

removed because i sounded like Bernard RightON!

:lol There, there.

I should just stop reading the news myself. This ship as sailed anyway.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: nudemacusers on September 30, 2013, 10:55:53 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2013, 10:06:28 AM

Are there any good write-ups about the consequences if the government shuts down AND we default? It's Monday morning and I'm in the mood for some post-apocalyptic fanfic.

france takes over america, all men turn gay

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2013, 11:19:48 AM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 30, 2013, 10:55:53 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2013, 10:06:28 AM

Are there any good write-ups about the consequences if the government shuts down AND we default? It's Monday morning and I'm in the mood for some post-apocalyptic fanfic.

france takes over america, all men turn gay

I meant bad consequences.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 30, 2013, 01:28:25 PM

And only now, at this late hour, has the Chamber of Commerce started to question the wisdom of riding a tiger

http://wonkette.com/530119

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 30, 2013, 02:29:09 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 30, 2013, 01:28:25 PM

And only now, at this late hour, has the Chamber of Commerce started to question the wisdom of riding a tiger

http://wonkette.com/530119

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It’s much more likely that Obama’s jillbooted transgender Muslim FEMA thugs have infiltrated the highest levels of the Chamber of Commerce, or maybe he put drugs in their Perrier and panda blood spritzers.

:dead

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 30, 2013, 03:13:08 PM

#Shutdownghazi
#Straightbitchghazi

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2013, 05:58:58 PM

Obamacare still goes into place whether the government is funded or not. :heh

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on September 30, 2013, 06:06:29 PM

I just got an email from my congressman talking about how the Tea Partiers are now going to cause a government shutdown by holding Obamacare hostage. And that there's only 12 hours for his campaign to meet its fundraising goal for the quarter and so I should consider donating.

Best and worst time to ask for campaign contributions. I wonder how long the shutdown is going to last now.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 30, 2013, 07:08:12 PM

 :neogaf

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/redstate-s-erickson-to-gop-just-pass-a-clean-continuing-resolution

Erick, son of Erick, proprietor of Red State, is now saying that maybe the House GOP should just stfu and pass a clean CR.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2013, 09:48:32 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 30, 2013, 07:08:12 PM

:neogaf

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/redstate-s-erickson-to-gop-just-pass-a-clean-continuing-resolution

Erick, son of Erick, proprietor of Red State, is now saying that maybe the House GOP should just stfu and pass a clean CR.

Total RINO, no wonder he's moved to the liberal Fox News.

Title: Re: BENGHAZI! TAXGHAZI! TELEPHONEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 01, 2013, 07:21:53 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on September 30, 2013, 07:08:12 PM

:neogaf

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/redstate-s-erickson-to-gop-just-pass-a-clean-continuing-resolution

Erick, son of Erick, proprietor of Red State, is now saying that maybe the House GOP should just stfu and pass a clean CR.

You kidding me?  :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 01:04:39 PM

Obama's at the podium.

"One faction of one party of one branch of the government shut down major parts of the government because they don't like one law."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 01, 2013, 01:06:16 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 01:04:39 PM

Obama's at the podium.

"One faction of one party of one branch of the government shut down major parts of the government because they don't like one law."

(http://i41.tinypic.com/1icu35.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 01, 2013, 01:35:32 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obamacare-marketplaces-overwhelmed-with-traffic

Looks like Veritas project is DDOSing the exchanges.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 02:51:11 PM

What the Obama administration is portraying as a "shutdown" of the federal government -- complete with signs posted at the entrances to government buildings, parks and monuments -- is turning out to be more of a "slimdown," as all but non-essential workers reported to their jobs Tuesday. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/01/partial-shutdown-begins-can-congress-white-house-compromise/)

(http://i.imgur.com/P4uLy1V.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 01, 2013, 03:03:35 PM

So basically today is how libertarians think the government should always operate?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 01, 2013, 03:04:38 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 01, 2013, 03:03:35 PM

So basically today is how libertarians think the government should always operate?

Yes, but today in Somalia.  Not here.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 03:10:58 PM

The mail is still running. We need to free market that bitch up.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2013, 05:19:56 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-gop-s-ruse-to-corner-dems-in-the-shutdown

House Republicans formulated a strategy to turn up the pressure by passing piecemeal continuing resolutions at status quo levels to fund popular parts of the government, such as national parks and museums. The idea was first proposed by Sens. Ted Cruz (R-TX) and Mike Lee (R-UT), who spearheaded the push to shut down the government over Obamacare.


Republicans have formally rejected bicameral budget negotiations 18 times since April. And House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) dismissed that offer Tuesday, effectively validating Democrats' concerns by arguing that his party's strategy is to use the debt ceiling as a cudgel to achieve more budgetary reforms.

"We've wanted to go to a budget conference when we thought we had more likelihood of getting an agreement," Ryan told reporters. "If we went prematurely, that would decrease the likelihood we would have gotten a budget agreement."

:pacspit

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 05:32:36 PM

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Some House Republicans are deeply frustrated with what they see as a self-defeating strategy, but even they are holding the line. Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA) told reporters that a "clean" CR, or a bill that would fund government at current levels, never came up in the GOP meeting Tuesday. "We've come this far," said the congressman, who famously called his conservative colleagues "lemmings" on Monday. "Now we have to stick with the Ted Cruz-lemmings strategy."

This is like the part in CSI where the negotiator is like "Put the gun down, there's still time to work this out" and the tweaked out serial rapist is like "Nah man, I've already done too much, I ain't going back to prison!" I usually fall asleep before the end, but I think everyone dies.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 01, 2013, 06:17:26 PM

Anyone post this yet?

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Shutdown_Blues

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Only the truly naive can be truly surprised.

Only the truly child-like can have expected anything else.

In the year of our Lord 2010, the voters of the United States elected the worst Congress in the history of the Republic. There have been Congresses more dilatory. There have been Congresses more irresponsible, though not many of them. There have been lazier Congresses, more vicious Congresses, and Congresses less capable of seeing forests for trees. But there has never been in a single Congress -- or, more precisely, in a single House of the Congress -- a more lethal combination of political ambition, political stupidity, and political vainglory than exists in this one, which has arranged to shut down the federal government because it disapproves of a law passed by a previous Congress, signed by the president, and upheld by the Supreme Court, a law that does nothing more than extend the possibility of health insurance to the millions of Americans who do not presently have it, a law based on a proposal from a conservative think-tank and taken out on the test track in Massachusetts by a Republican governor who also happens to have been the party's 2012 nominee for president of the United States. That is why the government of the United States is, in large measure, closed this morning.

We have elected the people sitting on hold, waiting for their moment on an evening drive-time radio talk show.

We have elected an ungovernable collection of snake-handlers, Bible-bangers, ignorami, bagmen and outright frauds, a collection so ungovernable that it insists the nation be ungovernable, too. We have elected people to govern us who do not believe in government.

We have elected a national legislature in which Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann have more power than does the Speaker of the House of Representatives, who has been made a piteous spectacle in the eyes of the country and doesn't seem to mind that at all. We have elected a national legislature in which the true power resides in a cabal of vandals, a nihilistic brigade that believes that its opposition to a bill directing millions of new customers to the nation's insurance companies is the equivalent of standing up the the Nazis in 1938, to the bravery of the passengers on Flight 93 on September 11, 2001, and to Mel Gibson's account of the Scottish Wars of Independence in the 13th Century. We have elected a national legislature that looks into the mirror and sees itself already cast in marble.

We did this. We looked at our great legacy of self-government and we handed ourselves over to the reign of morons.

This is what they came to Washington to do -- to break the government of the United States. It doesn't matter any more whether they're doing it out of pure crackpot ideology, or at the behest of the various sugar daddies that back their campaigns, or at the instigation of their party's mouthbreathing base. It may be any one of those reasons. It may be all of them. The government of the United States, in the first three words of its founding charter, belongs to all of us, and these people have broken it deliberately. The true hell of it, though, is that you could see this coming down through the years, all the way from Ronald Reagan's First Inaugural Address in which government "was" the problem, through Bill Clinton's ameliorative nonsense about the era of big government being "over," through the attempts to make a charlatan like Newt Gingrich into a scholar and an ambitious hack like Paul Ryan into a budget genius, and through all the endless attempts to find "common ground" and a "Third Way." Ultimately, as we all wrapped ourselves in good intentions, a prion disease was eating away at the country's higher functions. One of the ways you can acquire a prion disease is to eat right out of its skull the brains of an infected monkey. We are now seeing the country reeling and jabbering from the effects of the prion disease, but it was during the time of Reagan that the country ate the monkey brains.

What is there to be done? The first and most important thing is to recognize how we came to this pass. Both sides did not do this. Both sides are not to blame. There is no compromise to be had here that will leave the current structure of the government intact. There can be no reward for this behavior. I am less sanguine than are many people that this whole thing will redound to the credit of the Democratic party. For that to happen, the country would have to make a nuanced judgment over who is to blame that, I believe, will be discouraged by the courtier press of the Beltway and that, in any case, the country has not shown itself capable of making. For that to happen, the Democratic party would have to be demonstrably ruthless enough to risk its own political standing to make the point, which the Democratic party never has shown itself capable of doing. With the vandals tucked away in safe, gerrymandered districts, and their control over state governments probably unshaken by events in Washington, there will be no great wave election that sweeps them out of power. I do not see profound political consequences for enough of them to change the character of a Congress gone delusional. The only real consequences will be felt by the millions of people affected by what this Congress has forced upon the nation, which was the whole point all along.

Among other things, the Library Of Congress is closed as a result of what the vandals have done. Padlock study and intellect. Wander aimlessly down the mall among the shuttered monuments to self-government. Find yourself a food truck that serves monkey brains. Eat your fking fill.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 01, 2013, 06:21:56 PM

If I hear one more person say they need to compomise (ON FUCKING WHAT?) I'm going to punch my computer screen.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 06:34:36 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 01, 2013, 06:21:56 PM

If I hear one more person say they need to compomise (ON FUCKING WHAT?) I'm going to punch my computer screen.

RIP Steve's Computer Screen

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 01, 2013, 06:37:15 PM

I think they need to compromise on computer screen funding.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 01, 2013, 07:07:52 PM

The dems offering to fund at sequestration levels was the compromise. It's like 200B lower than the Ryan budget ffs. It just further goes to show that it doesn't matter what the dems offer. It's just a ruse to sell more commercials of Fox news and raise campaign $$$ .

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 01, 2013, 08:11:46 PM

This new Republican technique is pretty transparent.

"Let's introduce a bill to JUST fund veteran benefits!" :bluesteel

*Democrats sensibly don't agree to fund the US government one department at a time*

"Wow, the Democrats voted to defund veteran benefits! How rude." :usacry :beli

https://twitter.com/GOPLeader

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 08:48:17 PM

This is almost as genius-tier as those creepy anti-Obamacare ads from last week. Clearly Dems will have problems holding out for long against such Machiavellian intelligence.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2013, 09:00:07 PM

I was actually kind of surprised- using an my evening business law class as an informal focus group, most of them are pretty conservative, low information, small town people... and they're all universally blaming the Republicans for this.  Their attitude seemed to be, "Yeah we don't like Obamacare, but Jesus get over it already."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2013, 09:02:57 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 01, 2013, 09:00:07 PM

I was actually kind of surprised- using an my evening business law class as an informal focus group, most of them are pretty conservative, low information, small town people... and they're all universally blaming the Republicans for this.  Their attitude seemed to be, "Yeah we don't like Obamacare, but Jesus get over it already."

That seems to be a prevailing opinion. Obamacare still isn't too highly regarded [Gee, I wonder why?], but an overwhelming majority of the country doesn't want a government shutdown to get rid of it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 09:04:06 PM

http://isthegovernmentopen.com/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 01, 2013, 09:05:35 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2013, 09:02:57 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 01, 2013, 09:00:07 PM

I was actually kind of surprised- using an my evening business law class as an informal focus group, most of them are pretty conservative, low information, small town people... and they're all universally blaming the Republicans for this.  Their attitude seemed to be, "Yeah we don't like Obamacare, but Jesus get over it already."

That seems to be a prevailing opinion. Obamacare still isn't too highly regarded [Gee, I wonder why?], but an overwhelming majority of the country doesn't want a government shutdown to get rid of it.

I'm thinking all of these theatrics like trying to fund particular things one at a time will just be either a) ignored/not processed or b) recognized for the ratfuckery they are, like trying to conference with 45 minutes to go last night after refusing to for half a year.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 01, 2013, 09:08:29 PM

These dudes all like "well if the dems compromised", on what broham?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2013, 09:08:58 PM

Yup I deal with some pretty Don Draper-esque republican business types and they aren't happy, at all. And none of them like Obamacare.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 01, 2013, 09:10:20 PM

That's because they let their own party be run the fuck over by arrogant tea party fucknuts.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 09:20:45 PM

Who could have known that 50 years of courting racists and morons would eventually result in something unpleasant?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 01, 2013, 09:31:07 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 01, 2013, 07:07:52 PM

The dems offering to fund at sequestration levels was the compromise. It's like 200B lower than the Ryan budget ffs. It just further goes to show that it doesn't matter what the dems offer. It's just a ruse to sell more commercials of Fox news and raise campaign $$$ .

Chris Hayes pointed that out to some teabagger yesterday, and his response was that sequestration was "the law of the land". Hayes kindly pointed out that the same could be said about Obamacare, which the dude said didn't count for some reason, I forget.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 11:09:28 PM

"I'm of two minds. I'd like to be in the arena and help work something out. But it's gotten too nasty and too mean these days. I couldn't work with these guys."
~Trent Lott (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2013/09/trent-lott-ted-cruz-cut-his-legs-out-under-him)

(http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee295/androth128/Gifs/Puppet-Laugh.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2013, 11:21:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WGZSfsD.jpg)
 :PP

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 12:06:33 AM

The whole compromise argument is hilarious

the proposal is , basically, "Give us what we want or we will shut down government"

that, ladies and gentlemen, is treason.

I just find it odd for all the screams of "PATROITS!" "TREASON!" come from the same people who have just basically cost the US potentially billions of $ at the expense of the country.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2013, 12:22:35 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA3I4HAvgUs
(http://replygif.net/i/1049.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 12:32:42 AM

:bow Good lord - utter destruction :bow2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2013, 12:34:54 AM

Warren is a God-tier politician.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 02, 2013, 01:20:26 AM

 :whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 02, 2013, 03:22:04 AM

Damn right we're not going back. Fuck you republicans.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 02, 2013, 04:42:47 AM

I wonder what will happen next time? They followed through with their bluff and the effects of a "shutdown" can only be seen on paper. It'll cost them by making the average person think the TP faction is idiotic for doing this for one law but with current congressional districts being set in stone until 2020, those in the House that know their seats are reserved for a repub know that there won't be any repercussions and can figure that this is their strategy to keep in those seats.

Technically not having a functional government I think is a bigger deal than which democrat nominee became president. This just justifies why I wanted ornery and white Biden to be pres in twenty eight.

/drunk but cogent 

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 02, 2013, 04:45:14 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 12:06:33 AM

The whole compromise argument is hilarious

the proposal is , basically, "Give us what we want or we will shut down government"

that, ladies and gentlemen, is treason.

I just find it odd for all the screams of "PATROITS!" "TREASON!" come from the same people who have just basically cost the US potentially billions of $ at the expense of the country.

The teatards see themselves as the spiritual successors to the founding fathers. Thus, by definition it's IMPOSSIBLE for them to do anything that's not in the best interest of the country. Even if it means destroying it.

 :usacry

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 02, 2013, 05:28:16 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 02, 2013, 04:45:14 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 12:06:33 AM

The whole compromise argument is hilarious

the proposal is , basically, "Give us what we want or we will shut down government"

that, ladies and gentlemen, is treason.

I just find it odd for all the screams of "PATROITS!" "TREASON!" come from the same people who have just basically cost the US potentially billions of $ at the expense of the country.

The teatards see themselves as the spiritual successors to the founding fathers. Thus, by definition it's IMPOSSIBLE for them to do anything that's not in the best interest of the country. Even if it means destroying it.

 :usacry

Sometimes you have to destroy the village to save it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2013, 07:06:08 AM

I'm glad for the shutdown. It's a great crystallizing moment. This whole presidency has been one historic obstructionist party doing whatever it can. This is the final head for it and to demonstrate it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 02, 2013, 07:40:15 AM

What this shows, more then anything, is that a two party system is not really working well at all.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2013, 07:48:23 AM

Italy shows that one dumb prick can ruin everything regardless.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 02, 2013, 07:58:55 AM

Yes Balotelli needs to be put down I agree Rufus.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 02, 2013, 08:13:55 AM

Netherlands 2012 elections:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Zetelverdeling_Tweede_Kamer_2012.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 02, 2013, 08:21:20 AM

It always changes though, here is 2008. Thats the beauty, you aren't bound to two bs choices.

A fringe party might blow up, or a new party might enter the scen (PVV has 15 seats now, but they didnt even exists 10 years ago).

In 2002 a new party got 26 seats out of nothing!

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/31/ZetelsTK2010.svg/250px-ZetelsTK2010.svg.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 02, 2013, 08:26:44 AM

It still must feel better as a voter to have more choices and actually have politicians that share more beliefs as you do. Even if those beliefs aren't going to win an election most of the time.

In a two party system, quite often you are not voting for a candidate, but against the other guy. Which is just a recipe for disappointment and even more disillusioned voters.

It's never going to change. The two parties are too efficient at quickly assimilating any organized dissent in this country.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 02, 2013, 08:34:43 AM

No political system is perfect. Out of this rabble they need to form a coalition government. Which can go so many ways.

Then they negotiate on their viewpoints and you end up with squat cause everyone has to compromise. But maybe thats good as well as no party can rule on their own, you will always need at least one partner to get a majority of the seats.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2013, 08:35:24 AM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on October 02, 2013, 08:15:39 AM

right, i see two big ones and a lot of fringe parties there.

Who have to form coalitions with one or more smaller parties to form a government. It boils down to the same as, say, the Democrats or Republicans uniting a certain variety of positions into one big power base, but it's easier to support particular positions with your vote.

Which is not to say that any party, big or small, are united in purpose or ideology. You can't vote for the left-wing of the (ostensibly) centre-left SPD here in Germany.

It's one big fucking mess no matter what.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on October 02, 2013, 10:01:07 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2013, 02:51:11 PM

What the Obama administration is portraying as a "shutdown" of the federal government -- complete with signs posted at the entrances to government buildings, parks and monuments -- is turning out to be more of a "slimdown," as all but non-essential workers reported to their jobs Tuesday. (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/01/partial-shutdown-begins-can-congress-white-house-compromise/)

(http://i.imgur.com/P4uLy1V.jpg)

Fox News. :rofl

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 02, 2013, 10:26:03 AM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on October 02, 2013, 08:06:27 AM

the problem is that most of the time when you go to a three or more party system, it ends up functionally becoming a two- or one- party system anyway.

north european coalition governments generally seem to be the way to go. it generally creates an atmosphere where policy has to be reasoned beforehand, rather than justified after implementation while generally being a much more analogue than a two party system.

even in the UK where the third party has effectively become a bitch-made vassal, their presence (initially at least) sought to curb atleast some of the more onerous tory policy-making.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 02, 2013, 02:50:39 PM

The problem with doing that in America is that you would immediately have a splinter party form that had about 15-20% of the current seats that was based on being racist as fuck.  Best to wait another 30-40 years for more of them to be dead.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2013, 03:00:16 PM

That won't save you from those parties forming, looking at the recent outbreaks of xenophobic and eurosceptic parties.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 02, 2013, 03:40:13 PM

Yeah, but they'll have way less influence on policy if they're 5-10% of the governing bodies than 15-20%

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 02, 2013, 05:12:04 PM

Well wouldnt it be good to have a party like that be 10/20% and be ignored by other parties in coalitions.

They would burn themself out anyway huffing and puffing

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2013, 05:17:21 PM

Plan D, same as Plan C.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/326023-wednesday-house-will-try-again-on-veterans-parks-dc

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 02, 2013, 06:23:15 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 02, 2013, 02:50:39 PM

The problem with doing that in America is that you would immediately have a splinter party form that had about 15-20% of the current seats that was based on being racist as fuck.  Best to wait another 30-40 years for more of them to be dead.

Doesn't the Tea Party already exist?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 02, 2013, 06:29:49 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/grover_norquist_slams_ted_cruz/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/grover_norquist_slams_ted_cruz/)

This is getting good.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2013, 06:31:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 02, 2013, 06:29:49 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/grover_norquist_slams_ted_cruz/ (http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/grover_norquist_slams_ted_cruz/)

This is getting good.

The eternal struggle between Dr. Frankenstein and his monster.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2013, 06:57:06 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/inside_the_mind_of_angry_gop_rep_john_culberson_talks_to_salon/

If you wanna know what the crazies are thinking, here's a peak.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 02, 2013, 07:04:59 PM

That salt :lawd

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 02, 2013, 08:00:05 PM

Quote

Obama has accused Republicans of hostage taking. Let’s be clear: I’m all for taking hostages. Both sides do it all the time. But one of the first things they teach you in Hostage Taking 101 is that you have to choose a hostage the other side cares about saving. Obama and the Democrats don’t care about stopping a government shutdown. With a shutdown, Republicans are essentially putting a gun to their own heads and threatening to pull the trigger if the Democrats don’t capitulate. Not surprisingly, it’s not working.

As former treasury secretary Timothy Geithner explained during the last debt-limit standoff, the effects of default would be “catastrophic,” resulting in the “loss of millions of American jobs,” and would have an economic impact “potentially much more harmful than the effects of the financial crisis of 2008 and 2009.” Obama will not permit an economic crisis worse than 2008-09 and the “loss of millions of American jobs” on his watch. He has no choice but to negotiate with GOP leaders and cut a deal to avoid a government default.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/marc-thiessen-the-gop-flunks-hostage-taking-101/2013/09/30/43a4ff00-29d2-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.html?hpid=z3

Holy shit…has any right-winger expressed their intentions as clear as Theissen? I mean, this is supposed to be his DEFENSE for distinguished mentally-challenged Republican antics.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 08:56:36 PM

Quote

ObamaCare is nothing but a government takeover of the healthcare industry! It takes funding from Medicare, increases taxes, and contains an unconstitutional individual mandate that requires every American to purchase insurance!

so - i'd been confused as to what the exact problem the right have with the ACA and ... this is the best i could find on the TB site.

So.... let me make sure i get this right....

This is a supplementary system to provide for those who have -no- healthcare insurance. It makes everyone have some form of protection. The attack against it being an "unconstitutional individual mandate" basically amounts to "well, if americans want to be dumb enough to put themselves into financial ruin or early death then the government shouldn't meddle with that"

Either way - if you want health care, you need to be insured in some way right? So... this is basically Reps trying to make sure that the Health Industry doesn't lose it's ability to skin everyone?
 
I mean - after reading that link above where the GOPper seems to be handwaving aside the practice of insurance companies being able to kick out preexisting condition cases or, at best, throw massive unaffordable prices at those individuals i assume that's on target

I'm trying to follow the money here - so i assume this is the core issue?

Help?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2013, 09:05:53 PM

Well you see, the main problem is that Obama is black.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2013, 09:12:42 PM

Obamacare was the brainchild of the Heritage Foundation, first implemented at the state level by the 2012 Republican nominee for President.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 09:17:06 PM

Now i'm even more confused - was the idea of that think tank to force everyone to have health insurance but minus the "and there'll be a gubbernment option" or something ? because -that- sounds pretty GOPpy but having a government option doesn't.


edit : oh, if i'd just read the extra bit :

"Health care accounts for nearly 20% of the US economy and by 2014, the Federal government will have taken over most of the industry when ObamaCare is fully implemented."

lol lol lol. bu bu bu bu ....

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 02, 2013, 09:27:20 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 09:17:06 PM

Now i'm even more confused - was the idea of that think tank to force everyone to have health insurance but minus the "and there'll be a gubbernment option" or something ? because -that- sounds pretty GOPpy but having a government option doesn't.


edit : oh, if i'd just read the extra bit :

"Health care accounts for nearly 20% of the US economy and by 2014, the Federal government will have taken over most of the industry when ObamaCare is fully implemented."

lol lol lol. bu bu bu bu ....

Yeah, the original idea was that forcing the filthy poors to buy health insurance would allow them to "take responsibility" by not showing up to the emergency room for fun and sticking all the God-fearin' Republicans who DID have insurance with the bill.

A week or two ago, Rick Perry (governor of Texas, and presidential nominee, in case you don't know) was on one of the shitty CNN shows and was asked by one of Obama's minions why it's fine allowing health care moochers to go on mooching, and his response was that the people of Texans wanted it that way.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2013, 09:30:12 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-republican-party-cannot-stand-by-and-let-obama,34074/

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They haunt my dreams at night. I have this one nightmare where I’m about to ask for a vote on a clean continuing resolution and then one of them—I think it’s Steve King from Iowa—looks at me with this eerie smile and says, “No, John. No you won’t.” And then the rest of them are suddenly standing behind him and they all chant in a chilling monotone, “No, John. No you won’t.” And then I wake up screaming, “No, John!!! No you won’t!!!” and I’m crying, and my wife is crying, and I’ve sweat through my sheets.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 09:31:33 PM

Quote

and his response was that the people of Texans wanted it that way.

as i read more it really does seem to be Perry, Palin and all the other douchebags saying , in a roundabout way, "It's the right of every low IQ uninformed American to make choices they aren't equipped to make to the benefit of our backers. THIS IS AMERICA! ROAR!"

Anyhoo - what i'm now wondering - what is all this noise really hiding? After they drop their opposition what are the other "and we want..." conditions that are going to sly in - no doubt some crushing of some pro-environment stuff? Some dodgy oil deal or pipeline? More areas opened up to thracking or something?

There's a huge song and dance taking my attention <--- this way so what is it that the GOP are hiding behind the curtain?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2013, 09:33:38 PM

I think you're giving the Tea Party a bit too much credit. It's a song and dance, sure, but it's partly because they're total ideologues who actually believe their Holy Christian Soldiers doing God's Work, but I'm sure they'll push for all kinds of fun stuff come the debt default deadline.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2013, 09:42:32 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 09:17:06 PM

Now i'm even more confused - was the idea of that think tank to force everyone to have health insurance but minus the "and there'll be a gubbernment option" or something ? because -that- sounds pretty GOPpy but having a government option doesn't.

Heritage created the proposal in response to HillaryCare and it's a classic "conservative" fuck with the tax code to create a "market" version of a government program. Like Bush's Social Security "opt-out" option was.

Keep in mind that ObamaCare is more of a cudgel for lots of the GOP to use against Obama/Democrats. If it had never passed, it would probably be something else, but this is just such a juicy target they've tried to figure out how to use for three years now*. After all, Bush signed McCain-Feingold, No Child Left Behind, Medicare Part D...Clinton signed welfare reform and with Joe Biden basically introduced the Patriot Act...Obama's signed off on the latter and all the various related endeavors. If Romney had won, his administration would be talking about "reform not repeal" and the Tea Party wouldn't be as strong of position as they are in a single house (and a couple Senators) as the only powerbase. It's more about Boehner's opportunity seeking and long-standing irrelevancy plus the GOP's incoherence on the Tea Party.

I think the actual "fight" is far less about Dem vs. GOP than it is GOP vs. GOP. Just like the one in the 1990's. Opportunists are using it to publicly position themselves as fighting against Obama much like Gingrich vis a vis Clinton only rather than having a figure like Bob Dole who wanted to get it over with so he could run for President half the potential GOP candidates seem to be using it to boost their bids.

*EDIT: Plus, ObamaCare's the fake "compromise/concession" so they don't have to actually fight on the budget. Opposition to ObamaCare is the lone unifying force, if they started to discuss the budget it would splinter.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 02, 2013, 10:12:49 PM

Some Republicans are covering their asses by being so vehemently anti-Obamacare.  For the past two election cycles, many Republicans caught making eye contact with a Democrat resulted in being challenged in their re-election primaries...and quite often lost.  Of course a lot of these bases voted for Gingrich and Santorum in flocks so good luck getting that turned around.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2013, 11:16:21 PM

At least from my view the Tea Party is mainly disaffected/disinterested Republicans plus some of what were once called Reagan Democrats/Perot voters.

They're socially conservative, but not actively so like the religious right.
They're fiscally conservative for others, but not for what they're "promised." (Because they "earned" that.)
They're overly patriotic, potentially nationalist. Populist in conceptualization.
They have a "semblance" of politics, but don't pay real attention to it really beyond "X is screwing up America!" And this is more of an animating force than the real specifics of either the social or fiscal issues. (And I think part of why they created the rise and fall from Bachmann to Perry to Cain to Gingrich to Santorum.)
I don't think direct overt racism actually is a significant force but notions of the "other" and a favorable opinion of "Christian white male" culture as "American" do make it...easier for the acceptance of "X" being the one screwing things up. Like Japan in the 80s, or Mexicans "stealing" jobs and education.

In other words, Hank and Peggy Hill. Hank has the "gut-feeling ideology" but isn't all that down with the protesting and such, while Peggy thinks the protesting is we're just being so wild and crazy! (And Bill is there because Peggy is.)

The problem is you can't square these things with the specifics of daily politics and build an actual stable base of support. So while they "support" Romney, Christie (remember those days?), Cain, Gingrich, Santorum, Rubio, Cruz, Paul, etc. You can find at least one component in each that'll break the sudden fleeting interest and the unification needed to get one past the post. And you'll never get that unification for long in legislative politics. (With the religious right you at least had a simple formula. God hates fegs and abortions. And they're sold on whatever else sounds good.)

Which leaves you stuck with the blanket formless and often inconsistent opposition to Obama/ObamaCare. (And as the GOP powers lurch around trying to "grab" these people it's how the ones who tactically "know better" go from mandates to proclaiming ObamaCare as the end of the world because of government health care to backing Romney to complaining it harms Medicare and on and on... See also: Everything regarding the War on Terror/NSA/Drones/etc. as Rand Paul on one wing is condemning things and some of those side are looking back to a less interventionist GOP and meanwhile you still have the Johm McCain/Peter King wing that wants to firebomb the entire planet as the significant force in the party. So again it lurches weirdly from criticizing Obama for going too far and not going far enough.)

Either unfortunately or thankfully depending on your view of a capable Republican Party they can probably string things along just rebranded as anti-Clinton. But I see the 2016 primary as potentially very messy. And would suggest the potential is higher for a short-lived splinterish third party that rises and crashes into flames than it has been since Perot.

And that's my silly dumb waiting for Always Sunny ramblings on semi-interesting topics. Enjoy or despair.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 02, 2013, 11:38:33 PM

Curious, is there ANYTHING Dems can do about all the gerrymandering crap, or are we fucked until 2020?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2013, 12:36:41 AM

Shorter benji: they're ill-informed and kinda dumb

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 03, 2013, 02:58:24 AM

Am I the only one seeing this as a case of domestic abuse?

The husband beats the wife and tries to blame her by saying "see what YOU made ME do?"

Edit: Maybe this is more of a family drama where the wife kills the kids and blames the husband for making her do it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2013, 02:58:36 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 03, 2013, 12:36:41 AM

Shorter benji: they're ill-informed and kinda dumb

The largest group of voters!

I'd imagine any crash and burn third party/independent bid would be some kind of semi-famous socially moderate business elite/Eastern governor who would run on claims to be a pragmatist rising above ideology. As the Tea Party and religious right mobs overwhelm the Republican primary to nominate Palin/Santorum or something. Unfortunately I can't think of very many who would have Presidential ambitions...

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 08:11:52 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 02, 2013, 09:31:33 PM

Quote

and his response was that the people of Texans wanted it that way.

as i read more it really does seem to be Perry, Palin and all the other douchebags saying , in a roundabout way, "It's the right of every low IQ uninformed American to make choices they aren't equipped to make to the benefit of our backers. THIS IS AMERICA! ROAR!"

Anyhoo - what i'm now wondering - what is all this noise really hiding? After they drop their opposition what are the other "and we want..." conditions that are going to sly in - no doubt some crushing of some pro-environment stuff? Some dodgy oil deal or pipeline? More areas opened up to thracking or something?

There's a huge song and dance taking my attention <--- this way so what is it that the GOP are hiding behind the curtain?

Quote

“We’re not going to be disrespected,” conservative Rep. Marlin Stutzman, R-Ind., added. “We have to get something out of this. And I don’t know what that even is.”

http://washingtonexaminer.com/gop-stands-firm-against-funding-bill-will-link-to-debt-ceiling-fight/article/2536750

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 03, 2013, 08:43:15 AM

yeah i get this feeling that the GOP have internally acknowledged that folding now will significantly weaken their position come the debt ceiling, which is where the real party is gonna be. i can see them riding out this next fortnite like a kid counting the school days till christmas.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on October 03, 2013, 08:53:13 AM

Quote from: headwalk on October 03, 2013, 08:43:15 AM

yeah i get this feeling that the GOP have internally acknowledged that folding now will significantly weaken their position come the debt ceiling, which is where the real party is gonna be. i can see them riding out this next fortnite like a kid counting the school days till christmas.

They're gonna fold within the week.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 03, 2013, 09:18:37 AM

(https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/1385795_251209191700584_801231575_n.jpg)

Screw that just stop paying them! If they aren't gonna work for the people that put them in office they don't deserve to be payed period.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2013, 09:30:33 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bachmann-republicans-about-the-happiest-they-ve-been-in-a-while-during-shutdown

"This is about the happiest I've seen members in a long time, because we see we are starting to win this dialogue on a national level," she said.

:pacspit

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 11:38:59 AM

Plan G, just keep saying "We want to negotiate" over and over until eventually people start to believe it:

Quote

“I just did CNN and I just go over and over again ‘We’re willing to compromise, we’re willing to negotiate,’” Paul said, having just concluded an interview with Erin Burnett. “I don’t think they [Democrats] poll tested, ‘We won’t negotiate.’ I think it’s awful for them to say that over and over again.”

“Yeah, I do too,” said McConnell, who himself had just been at a “candid” meeting with President Barack Obama and other congressional leaders, during which little progress on the stalemate was made. “I just came back from that two hour meeting with them and that was basically the same view privately as it was publicly.”

“I think if we keep saying, ‘We wanted to defund it, we fought for that, but now we’re willing to compromise on this,’ they can’t—I know we don’t want to be here, but we’re gonna win this, I think,” Paul said.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rand-paul-mitch-mcconnell-caught-on-hot-mic-plotting-gops-next-move/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 03, 2013, 11:54:41 AM

the "we want to negotiate" thing is -really- annoying already

THERE IS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE

you either fund it or you don't - end of argument. If you want to use this as a forum for discussing concessions from each side then the DEMS need to go spend some time thinking about which dogshit proposals you like that we need to snuff out - seems like there's a lot, might take some time....



... have people tried to repeal obama care again yet or are we still in a government slimdown?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 03, 2013, 01:01:56 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 03, 2013, 11:54:41 AM

... have people tried to repeal obama care again yet or are we still in a government slimdown?

There have been what, 40 some odd failed attempts at repealing ACA now?

This negotiate shtick is terrible. There's no negotiation, they're throwing a fit that there is a LAW on the books that they don't like, and can't do anything about.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 01:43:14 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 03, 2013, 11:54:41 AM

the "we want to negotiate" thing is -really- annoying already

THERE IS NOTHING TO NEGOTIATE

They gotta get the media back on the "both sides do it/why is Obama being so unreasonable?" bandwagon. R's have been getting killed over the shutdown for the past few days, but nothing makes the political media swoon more than the idea of compromise and negotiation.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2013, 01:45:06 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-10-01/disney-offers-full-time-to-park-staff-as-obamacare-starts.html

:obama

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2013, 02:02:26 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nrcc-chair-reportedly-says-gop-waged-shutdown-fight-to-placate-tea-party

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 02:07:07 PM

Help, the angry racists that I fund are being angry and racist! #1percentproblems

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 02:14:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5K7wVb6y_U

Good Lord.  :what

Edit: The sad part is, I'm sure this video is being played right at this moment on Fox News as proof that brave Republicans are out that fighting Obama's socialist minions who are putting up Barry-cades because they hate our troops.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2013, 02:28:48 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 03, 2013, 11:54:41 AM

the "we want to negotiate" thing is -really- annoying already

Never mind that Democrats have already compromised by agreeing to lock in the sequester for another year. They already went to the halfway mark, but Republicans are still at their end screaming at the Democrats to meet them halfway [i.e. at the quarter mark].

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 03, 2013, 02:35:51 PM

Someone took the idea of the government being shutdown a little too far, methinks...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/u-s-capitol-placed-under-lockdown-after-reports-of-shooting

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2013, 02:54:21 PM

And we're only just three days into the government shutdown!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 03, 2013, 02:57:02 PM

Welp, it's all falling apart.  Wait til we default.  People will be marrying goats, hermaphrodites will control the streets and I'll be happy as a clam.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 03, 2013, 03:05:51 PM

Lock down already lifted. Nothing exciting ever happens, sigh

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 03, 2013, 03:19:05 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 03, 2013, 02:35:51 PM

Someone took the idea of the government being shutdown a little too far, methinks...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/u-s-capitol-placed-under-lockdown-after-reports-of-shooting

A woman rams the gates with a kid in her car? WTF.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 04:57:07 PM

"Reports of gun fire on Capitol Hill; unfortunately no casualties have been reported."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2013, 06:06:18 PM

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HOWELL: Do you think that federal workers, when this ends, are deserving of their back pay or not?

VARNEY: That is a loaded question isn't it? You want my opinion? This is President Obama's shutdown. He is responsible for shutting this thing down; he's taken an entirely political decision here. No, I don't think they should get their back pay, frankly, I really don't. I'm sick and tired of a massive, bloated federal bureaucracy living on our backs, and taking money out of us, a lot more money than most of us earn in the private sector, then getting a furlough, and then getting their money back at the end of it. Sorry, I'm not for that. I want to punish these people. Sorry to say that, but that's what I want to do.

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JACOBSON: But it's not their fault. It's not the federal employees' fault. I mean, that's what I'm sick of, I hate and it makes me anxious, to see people who are victimized because of a political fight.

VARNEY: I take your point Amy, it is not directly their fault, but I'm looking at the big picture here. I'm getting screwed. Here I am, a private citizen, paying an inordinate amount of money in tax. I've got a slow economy because it's all government, all the time. And these people are living on our backs, regulating us, telling us what to do, taxing us, taking our money, and living large. This is my chance to say "hey, I'm fed up with this and I don't miss you when you're on furlough." Sorry if that's a harsh tone, but that's the way I feel.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/03/foxs-varney-on-furloughed-federal-employees-i-w/196261

Jim Varney's a real piece of work.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 03, 2013, 06:31:38 PM

 :drudge :drudge :drudge 

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Butch Matthews is a 61-year-old former small business owner from Little Rock, Arkansas who used to wake up every morning at 4 A.M. to deliver canned beverages to retailers before retiring in 2010. A lifelong Republican, he was heavily skeptical of the Affordable Care Act when it first passed. “I did not think that Obamacare was going to be a good plan, I did not think that it was going to help me at all,” he told ThinkProgress over the phone.

But after doing a little research, Matthews eventually realized how much the law could help him. And on Tuesday, his local Blue Cross Blue Shield (BCBS) provider confirmed that he would be able to buy a far better plan than his current policy while saving at least $13,000 per year through Arkansas’ Obamacare marketplace.

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/10/02/2721501/butch-matthews-obamacare-convert/

  :drudge :drudge :drudge

The thing that Republicans feared the most has happened.

R.I.P. Murka :usacry

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 03, 2013, 07:20:40 PM

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The thing that Republicans feared the most has happened.

indeed - as per yesterdays root around  all the noise the GOP stances seems to boil down to "but this means that Americans cannot have the freedom to be ripped off by big private companies - that's against the constitution and stupidity is a god given right how dare the government do this!"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 07:24:58 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 03, 2013, 07:20:40 PM

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The thing that Republicans feared the most has happened.

indeed - as per yesterdays root around  all the noise the GOP stances seems to boil down to "but this means that Americans cannot have the freedom to be ripped off by big private companies - that's against the constitution and stupidity is a god given right how dare the government do this!"

They've still got the Fox News crowd convinced that Obamacare is going to cost a fortune and that no one will be able to afford it. I heard that a lot around the ol' water cooler today. Also that "a million people visited the Obamacare website, but not one person signed up" and that "if you're going to sign up, you better wait until December, because they start charging you immediately even though coverage doesn't start until January".

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2013, 07:52:07 PM

I can't wait until the NHS declares ODS* a national epidemic. :bow

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2013, 10:32:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jw7bfeide5Y
:rejoice

I can't even imagine how much a republican's blood boils seeing Barry O shit on them from his cloud

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 03, 2013, 11:02:35 PM

:whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2013, 11:03:22 PM

That clip should be playing 24 hours a day on the cable news stations until the shutdown ends.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2013, 11:03:46 PM

Seems relevant:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0B_ekSrsEk

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2013, 11:36:33 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on October 03, 2013, 11:02:35 PM

:whew

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnmIoF_2Q4Y

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2013, 12:00:17 AM

http://youtu.be/M5QGkOGZubQ

 :pacspit

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 04, 2013, 02:51:50 AM

Damn, you're still not over it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2013, 02:58:19 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 04, 2013, 02:51:50 AM

Damn, you're still not over it.

This is a blanket statement that can be applied to any previous Awesome-O kerfluffle on the intertubes.  Dude holds grudges longer than me, and I still want to waterboard amirox!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 04, 2013, 03:04:51 AM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on October 04, 2013, 02:58:56 AM

does this surprise you?

An emphatic NO.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 04, 2013, 03:41:17 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 02, 2013, 11:16:21 PM

At least from my view the Tea Party is mainly disaffected/disinterested Republicans plus some of what were once called Reagan Democrats/Perot voters.

They're socially conservative, but not actively so like the religious right.
They're fiscally conservative for others, but not for what they're "promised." (Because they "earned" that.)
They're overly patriotic, potentially nationalist. Populist in conceptualization.
They have a "semblance" of politics, but don't pay real attention to it really beyond "X is screwing up America!" And this is more of an animating force than the real specifics of either the social or fiscal issues. (And I think part of why they created the rise and fall from Bachmann to Perry to Cain to Gingrich to Santorum.)
I don't think direct overt racism actually is a significant force but notions of the "other" and a favorable opinion of "Christian white male" culture as "American" do make it...easier for the acceptance of "X" being the one screwing things up. Like Japan in the 80s, or Mexicans "stealing" jobs and education.

In other words, Hank and Peggy Hill. Hank has the "gut-feeling ideology" but isn't all that down with the protesting and such, while Peggy thinks the protesting is we're just being so wild and crazy! (And Bill is there because Peggy is.)

It's interesting to me how age has become a dividing factor in Obama/Tea Party era politics.  Obama's split between the oldest and youngest voters was 16 percentage points, against about 8 percentage points for Kerry/Gore, and Clinton actually performed strongest among elderly voters (who, way back when, strongly identified as New Deal Dems).  Part of that is obviously that the younger generations of Americans are swarthier, so once you factor out race it's not quite as striking.  But it's still pretty significant, and relatively new.

Been thinking about it because the GOP, including the Tea Party faction, has acted very protective of SS and Medicare benefits for current or soon-to-be retirees, even while proposing major changes to the programs.  Bush's push for SS privatization, Ryan's voucher plan for Medicare, the Romney campaign platform on Medicare all involved scaling back government guarantees, but all of them would spare older and middle-aged voters.  Part of that is just political expediency (like Obama needing to be able to say "you can keep your insurance" when crafting the ACA), but it really is pitting people against each other by generation.

To a degree, the GOP has become the representative of the class interests of old folks, like those Pensioners Parties you see crop up in multiparty democracy (to really bring the conversation into a circle), and which had a dozen or so seats in the Knesset, IIRC.  It might just be random opportunism making it seem that way, but it certainly makes the GOP/Tea Party positions, such as they are, a bit more internally consistent.



Also, Hank is not spiteful or panicky enough to be in the Tea Party, and Peggy would not let herself admit to being frightened of anything new and popular with young folk.  The Tea Party is the party of Cotton Hill.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2013, 05:23:31 AM

I'm not sure if the GOP is going to be alone there and it's simply a function of how the boomers will affect the strength of the Social Security/Medicare/Pension bloc. Especially how many people will be voting on it in regards to something that will now be immediate or near immediate in their lives.

I've been thinking, in no original manner certainly, that trying to create an ideological and consistent framework for either of the two parties (let alone trying to place many of their factions) is increasingly a fools errand and part of a big reason the low hanging fruit of hypocrisy/coherence is there and ever present. That in reality the two parties exist primarily, and have existed, more as signaling cultural identities. The most animating interests always seem to be things like abortion or gays. Maybe something like cosmopolitan vs provincial.

And that both now and historically the "ideologies" have been not complex or principled coherent frameworks like say Socialism or Liberalism or the "original" Conservatism but instead "conservatism" and "progressivism" in the most simplistic forms of the concept. It's almost like one party strives to piecemeal preserve an idealistic "America" from a generation ago and the other looks to piecemeal advance to an idealistic "Europe" from a generation ago. But because both of these end goals are fabricated fantasies they take on these cargo cult notions. And the primary reason you even get the idea that there are animating ideologies driving the two parties is because of that generational slog over an entirely hypothetical No Man's Land in "the middle." And this swirling around two essentially meaningless poles is what produces in some sense the "governance" failure so many are fond of spotting along with how ultimately nonsense the elections are.

I think the party switches came about because of a post-New Deal generational "solution" to the contradictions in the two parties that Bryan/Wilson/Bismark introduced because of the Second Industrial Revolution. With World War I/FDR's long reign/World War II as the catalyst that produced the reactionary response. That prior to this you had the cosmopolitan Federalist/Whig/Republican "progressive advancement" towards Hamilton/Clay's vision and the provincial Democratic "conservative preservation" of Jefferson's until the Civil War and then a listless opposition to the Republicans after which made them open to the Populist movements takeover.

How's that for a moronic and troublesome simplistic grand unifying theory?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2013, 06:12:13 AM

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs6/2586335_l.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2013, 11:01:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVnMCguL04k

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 04, 2013, 11:11:33 AM

That may be the most rapid, pathetic pivot to 'truth is in the middle' that I have ever seen.

"Well you did say you didn't like the original phrasing, moving on!"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 04, 2013, 11:38:16 AM

The best analogy for the marriage of two people of the same sex is ... oh wait... the marriage of two people of differing sex.

MARRIAGE OF TWO PEOPLE - it's like the marriage of two people !

See? issue solved.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 04, 2013, 03:29:04 PM

NPR tried to call McMorris-Rogers on her hypocrisy yesterday, but she just jumped around the question.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2013, 04:09:31 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 04, 2013, 03:29:04 PM

NPR tried to call McMorris-Rogers on her hypocrisy yesterday, but she just jumped around the question.

She seems so disingenuous whenever I hear her talk, as if everything is a focus group tested talking point, especially when she discusses "what women think." The GOP has really lurched from one stunt to another thus far, perhaps culminating with the WWII vet grandstanding. And it's so easy to see through. Fox News isn't calling the shutdown a "slimdown" for no reason - it's almost certainly Frank Luntz group tested bullshit, repeated over and over.

You don't go to war unless you think you can win IMO, yet republicans don't have an endgame.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 04, 2013, 04:16:21 PM

The poor liberals in Spokane must be going nuts with her as their representative.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 04, 2013, 04:49:28 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/tea-party-leaders-announce-support-for-deal-in-exc,34101/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/tea-party-leaders-announce-support-for-deal-in-exc,34101/)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 04, 2013, 07:04:23 PM

THe fox news alternate reality peddling is amazing to watch. It's going to crash and burn so hard. Hopefully this tarnishes the gop for a century.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 04, 2013, 09:54:14 PM

It feels like most people aren't even aware that there is a shutdown right now.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 05, 2013, 10:57:00 AM

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"This is beyond not wise. You don’t do that unless you’re building a thugocracy,” Beck said. “You come in with your stormtroopers and you say ‘shut it down,’"

lol - Beck on the closure of everything that has to be closed due to the GOP forced shutdown - but it's the Obama side that's the storm trooper nazi thugs? erm - okay.

As he says "we are dealing with a whole new breed of people" - we sure are : most the people making these comments have IQs lower than Lottery Numbers.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2013, 11:09:01 AM

Beck said this earlier in the week:

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The only people who should be afraid of a shutdown are the progressives who have been making a living lying to people, convincing them they couldn’t live without government handouts.  Shut them down. Please.

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The truth is that America cannot afford non-essential spending bonanzas. It can’t. It is time to boil things down to the essentials. We’re done playing the game, and we’re not going to let progressives do things like scare us with a government shutdown debate. I don’t know about you, but I celebrate that idea.

 :gurl

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2013, 11:51:50 AM

Man, conservatives have really been paralyze by the rapid decline of the deficit. They don't know how to respond, so they continue with the same outrage.

btw no BLS report yesterday due to the shutdown. Guess that means 0 jobs were created in September amirite :smug

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2013, 03:34:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2013, 11:51:50 AM

btw no BLS report yesterday due to the shutdown. Guess that means 0 jobs were created in September amirite :smug

Obamacare is supposed to stifle job creation by forcing our galtian overlords to pay a few extra cents on healthcare for their employees, so this seems accurate.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2013, 05:19:15 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/tea-party-leaders-announce-support-for-deal-in-exc,34101/

I'm just saying, both sides do it.  Remember how in 2007 after the Democrats won control of Congress they demanded one of the Bush twins?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2013, 05:23:42 PM

I demanded both of them! :drool

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 05, 2013, 05:29:47 PM

Quote from: http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care-holdouts-uninsured-resisting-obamacare-8C11338371

“I don’t think that the government should be involved in health care or health insurance,” says Greg Collett, a 41-year-old software developer in Caldwell, Idaho, who would rather pay the fine for now — $95 the first year — than signup.

“I calculated it out and it is cheaper for me for the next four years to pay the fine rather than get coverage,” Collett said. “At some point where it would make financial sense to pay for insurance rather than pay fines, I will make the decision from a financial standpoint.”

***
Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. “The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government,” he said.

Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered.

But it’s “absolutely not okay,” that they are, Collett says quickly. “There are a lot of people out there that’ll cry foul.”

Collett, whose children are home-schooled, likens taking Medicaid to sending children to public school. He also does not approve of government-funded public schools. “The government is taking your money. They are spending it on things they shouldn’t be,” he says. “Trying to get whatever you can back — I have nothing against that. You have to at some point try and get your tax dollars back.”

:snoop

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2013, 05:37:10 PM

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Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid

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home-schooled

If the interview had gone on a little longer, I suspect we could have gotten to...

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survival bunker

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 05, 2013, 06:12:57 PM

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Collett, who is married and has 10 children, says the kids are covered by Medicaid, the joint state-federal health insurance plan for people with low income and children who are not covered.

But it’s “absolutely not okay,” that they are, Collett says quickly. “There are a lot of people out there that’ll cry foul.”

So why not take them off then?

I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't want the kids to be punished for their dad's shitty ideology, but he doesn't even try and justify why he keeps them on.  He just says that he's mad about it, like that makes it all better.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on October 05, 2013, 06:37:02 PM

Yeah, let's go back to a time where you needed to pop out that many children because half of them would die before reaching puberty. :heh

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 05, 2013, 06:59:02 PM

The 10 homeschooled kids part makes his lack of foresight go from embarrassing to just sad. It's most likely he's the only working parent and yet he doesn't feel at 41 years of age, that he should be getting a check up every now and then with so many dependants. A software developer can't make decent meth.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 05, 2013, 11:38:36 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQB5AnJYnk&feature=player_embedded

Obamacare annihilated

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2013, 12:01:04 AM

Quote from: Yeti on October 05, 2013, 11:38:36 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFQB5AnJYnk&feature=player_embedded

Obamacare annihilated

Well, I'm convinced!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2013, 01:25:07 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2013, 10:06:28 AM

Are there any good write-ups about the consequences if the government shuts down AND we default? It's Monday morning and I'm in the mood for some post-apocalyptic fanfic.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/06/opinion/sunday/dowd-welcome-to-ted-cruzs-thunderdome.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0

Ah yeah, now we're getting to the good stuff. *rubs hands together*

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2013, 01:41:18 PM

Oh hey, that's awesome

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-u-s-will-default-if-obama-doesn-t-cave-on-the-debt-limit

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2013, 01:48:54 PM

(read from bottom up)
(http://i.imgur.com/EhTHpze.png)

still not concerned

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2013, 05:08:43 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/nbcs-savannah-guthrie-challenges-sen-rand-paul-to-defend-open-mic-moment/

Shorter Rand Paul: "The Democrats are the ones that want the government shutdown, which is exactly why Republicans are going to continue with the shutdown"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 06, 2013, 06:49:05 PM

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Well, I'm convinced!

What took you so long! .... I've been convinced Alex Jones is an arsehole for years !

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Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. “The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government,” he said.

And then says later that government funded schools are also , i assume, not the role of the government.

So... the welfare and education of it's citizens is -not- the role of the government? What -is- it supposed to do then?!

Christ - i could just imagine the riots if the UK government turned round and said "sorry guys, healthcare and schools - we really shouldn't be involved in that so.... NHS and government funded schools are now closed.... " We'd be rioting for the government having failed in two of it's primary areas.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2013, 06:58:52 PM

bububu FREEDOM

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2013, 08:00:59 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 04, 2013, 02:44:50 AM

Hey Mandark, why don't you go tell Nancy Pelosi to stfu because she doesn't know wtf she's talking about, and it's not a good look for her?

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/324689-pelosi-obama-shouldnt-have-ruled-out-14th-amendment-option-in-debt-fight (http://thehill.com/homenews/house/324689-pelosi-obama-shouldnt-have-ruled-out-14th-amendment-option-in-debt-fight)

Then maybe Himu can tell her that she'd be better off shutting her mouth and listening to the pros, and maybe she'd learn something?

This guy too, and the legal experts he cites:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/if-congress-wont-raise-the-debt-ceiling-obama-will-be-forced-to-break-the-law/280176/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/10/if-congress-wont-raise-the-debt-ceiling-obama-will-be-forced-to-break-the-law/280176/)

Actually...perhaps Obama ruled it out to ensure the complete onus of raising the debt limit is on the House. It's a last ditch option, and he doesn't want anyone to know he is ready to use it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2013, 08:23:25 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 06, 2013, 08:19:21 PM

Yes, probably. I'm just salty about a forum exchange from about nine months ago. I'll probably feel the same way a year from now. Some insults aren't forgotten.

:gurl

actually polls show people blaming the GOP about 10% more than Obama. As the markets begin the speak, Boehner's position will become even more shaky. I think his...performance today was pure show. He needs to show he is tough and will fight till the last minute. And when it comes time to fold he'll say he fought as hard as he could but it's time to do the right thing.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 06, 2013, 08:35:15 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 06, 2013, 06:49:05 PM

Christ - i could just imagine the riots if the UK government turned round and said "sorry guys, healthcare and schools - we really shouldn't be involved in that so.... NHS and government funded schools are now closed.... " We'd be rioting for the government having failed in two of it's primary areas.

rioting in the uk? only if there is a kardashian opening a primark on the same day.

i'm going to assume the role of bumbling polemic here, but i'm hearing the tea party catch a lot of flack based on their methods. a minority of domestic policy terrorists bending the country over a barrel. they're a splinter caucus which has unjustly found a way to affect change over their whole party.

i also hear a lot of disillusionment over the two party system. a totally binary setup which only allows the voter to tick one of two muddy boxes which will largely continue business as usual - corporate fellatio included.

now i'm not a bible clutching spazz so of course i couldn't be further from the tea parties aims, but if there was a progressive democratic caucus pushing things in the opposite direction - towards a single payer system perhaps - would their methods be greeted with the same enraged ire? i mean, go nuts on exposing the idiocy of their policy, but if a system can't handle a splinter group aggressively pursuing an ideologue without shitting itself, then the system is the real villain in this piece /RATM.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on October 06, 2013, 08:56:30 PM

I like this guy's take on the situation:
http://www.stonekettle.com/2013/10/deadlock.html

tl;dr Neither liberals nor (fringe) republicans should want this move to succeed.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 06, 2013, 09:00:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD21fx_fapM

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2013, 09:04:17 PM

The (other) funny thing about that clip is that it seems to be the first time anyone's actually made that argument.

:bow Bill Maher :bow2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: El Babua on October 06, 2013, 09:15:49 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 06, 2013, 08:19:21 PM

Yes, probably. I'm just salty about a forum exchange from about nine months ago. I'll probably feel the same way a year from now. Some insults aren't forgotten.

Jesus, no wonder you identify so much with Walt.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2013, 09:34:22 PM

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Effective leadership means taking the minority position into account.

This line really sticks out from the article [not by the author of the article, but by the guy he was replying to]. And here's why: Obama and the Democrats did that. They compromised and compromised and cut things they wanted and courted Republicans from the very start. They brought Republicans in as co-sponsors, they put in things Republicans wanted, they took out things Republicans didn't want. The ACA was paired down to an idea floated by the flippin' Heritage Foundation in order to get Republicans on board. And in the end, every Republican vote vanished into the ether. Why? Because they DID NOT want Obama and the Democrats to pass a major healthcare bill. PERIOD.

This isn't about not taking the minority opinion into account, it's about not letting the minority crash the car because they aren't getting every single thing they've ever wanted.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2013, 10:10:33 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6ot1kEnIJ8

Obama annihilated.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2013, 10:26:02 PM

Why do people on radio and TV have to be morons?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2013, 10:28:18 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 06, 2013, 06:49:05 PM

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Well, I'm convinced!

What took you so long! .... I've been convinced Alex Jones is an arsehole for years !

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Collett counts himself among the 29 percent of people who said in an NBCNews/Kaiser poll they are angry about the health reform law. “The issue for me is that it is not the proper role of government,” he said.

And then says later that government funded schools are also , i assume, not the role of the government.

So... the welfare and education of it's citizens is -not- the role of the government? What -is- it supposed to do then?!

Christ - i could just imagine the riots if the UK government turned round and said "sorry guys, healthcare and schools - we really shouldn't be involved in that so.... NHS and government funded schools are now closed.... " We'd be rioting for the government having failed in two of it's primary areas.

There are some people that literally think the only thing a government should do is maintain an army. These people are generally referred to as libertarians, or to put it more accurately, morons.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2013, 10:54:59 PM

(http://www.theblogmocracy.com/wp-content/uploads/thunderdome.jpg)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/get-ready-it-s-going-to-happen

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2013, 11:35:56 PM

I think Marshall is reading this wrong, whereas his former employee Brian Beutler called this awhile ago
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/24/ted_cruzs_complaints_are_meaningless/

The NY Times reported mere days ago that Boehner recently told House republicans he will not allow a default to occur. This collaborates the report from early September that he told K/Wall Street folks that a default won't happen.

Boehner is weak, there's no doubt about it. He also has a long history of allowing his hardliners to lead him into bad situations, forcing him to crawl to Nancy Pelosi for help. Remember when republicans rejected the first bailout, during Bush's final weeks in office, and the market dropped 800 points? He has always struggled with hardliners, even before the tea party existed. Then last December, remember when he took a far right position on the "fiscal cliff" to appease the tea party, mere days after Obama's reelection, which culminated in the "Plan B" fiasco that almost cost him his Speakership? the result of that was Boehner relying on democrat votes to effectively push through a tax increase.

I think Boehner thought the threat of default and a government shutdown would convince 2011 Obama to appear, thus giving republicans an easy win. He clearly didn't expect Obama to hold firm, or senate democrats to remain united. Now he's fucked in a protracted battle he can't win. Robert Costa (National Review) has reported that House leadership may be marching towards a two pronged cave: by mixing the shutdown with the debt ceiling, it's likely the GOP will fold on both at the same time. This will be a humiliation for Boehner, but he'll get to say he waited until the last minute/fought the good fight/etc.


edit: remember, we're witnessing history here. If Obama folds, he sets quite an ugly precedent on presidential blackmail. If he holds firm and Boehner fades into obscurity on the hill, he will have defended executive power.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 06, 2013, 11:53:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2013, 11:35:56 PM

House leadership may be marching towards a two pronged cave: by mixing the shutdown with the debt ceiling, it's likely the GOP will fold on both at the same time. This will be a humiliation for Boehner, but he'll get to say he waited until the last minute/fought the good fight/etc.

WHAT IS THIS METAPHOR

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2013, 11:59:32 PM

What do you think, Mandark?  Do we default or not?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2013, 12:09:18 AM

As in, Boehner will cave - but it'll be two caves at once. Tying the shutdown to the debt limit makes it an all-or-nothing deal. I can't find the article but Costa had a quote from an unnamed GOPer explaining it as if you're going to take a bullet, you'd rather take one.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 07, 2013, 01:19:06 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 06, 2013, 11:59:32 PM

What do you think, Mandark?  Do we default or not?

I say no.

I'd be real surprised in the debt ceiling doesn't get raised, and even in that case I think the administration would circumvent it with one of the strategies being bandied about, even if they don't like it.  At which point it's a court challenge or pointless impeachment, but again, I don't expect it to get to that point.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 07, 2013, 01:50:11 AM

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How bad will default be? "I think, personally, it would bring stability to the world markets"

this is criminal negligence

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Once the political class and bureaucracy is solely responsible for everyone's health care, we will all be slaves. The message is pretty clear: "Vote the way we tell you too, or we will use every means possible to punish you".

yes! this has happened in every single country which has privatized health care ! Will someone please free us from the bondage of having affordable healthcare for everyone ?! SLAVES i tell you. SLAVES.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2013, 01:52:18 AM

Quote from: Mamacint on October 06, 2013, 09:00:54 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pD21fx_fapM

Classic Welch  :rofl

Even the outfit.  :lol

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"Republican (http://reason.com/archives/2009/12/07/why-prefer-french-health-care)." The Jacket probably mocked him all week. Hopefully he gets another week thanks to this specific clip going up.

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 07, 2013, 12:52:41 PM

I've had to completely disengage from Facebook arguments about the debt ceiling.  I ended up arguing with someone in the military and someone who does defense contracting and they both see no problem hitting the debt ceiling.  Meanwhile my company would most likely very quickly go belly up (the exchange rate and all) and they don't really see this as a problem either.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2013, 01:14:54 PM

The willful delusion isn't curable, thus making it nigh impossible to even attempt an educated conversation. This is what happens when you completely reject critical thinking. This isn't some game. A default would wreck the global economy. Businesses, corporations, families, everyone would be fucked.

case in point: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gopers-use-amber-alert-downtime-to-criticize-shutdown

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 07, 2013, 01:54:41 PM

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"Vote the way we tell you too, or we will use every means possible to punish you".

Isn't that what the Republicans are doing right now?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2013, 06:19:17 PM

This is why our government is currently shutdown, because we allow people like this to make decisions for us:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bachmann-end-times-are-coming-because-obama-is-supporting-al-qaeda

“This happened and as of today the United States is willingly, knowingly, intentionally sending arms to terrorists, now what this says to me, I’m a believer in Jesus Christ, as I look at the End Times scripture, this says to me that the leaf is on the fig tree and we are to understand the signs of the times, which is your ministry, we are to understand where we are in God’s end times history," Bachmann told Jan Markell, radio host of "Understanding the Times," on Saturday.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 07, 2013, 06:28:47 PM

Lol. God damn man.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2013, 06:32:00 PM

Considering she's a Pre-Trib evangelical...if this is the end times, why is she still here?

(http://imageshack.us/a/img43/939/trollxi.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 07, 2013, 07:19:11 PM

It's always the fire & brimstone types that tell you when the world is going to end. As though a vengeful God would actually give you warning.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2013, 10:06:05 PM

And they're 0 for 999999999 on predicting the earth ending so far.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 08, 2013, 12:10:22 AM

hardworking americans, listen the fuck up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ci57Fom6eE

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 12:11:35 AM

(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/W7DR1AmOww.2bbZq_gltYg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9aW5zZXQ7aD0zNzY7cT03NTt3PTUxMg--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/afp.com/3b4813dae4e97d0ce2d467cffeb324269d7f1585.jpg)

 :omg :omg :omg

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2013, 12:13:48 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on October 08, 2013, 12:10:22 AM

hardworking americans, listen the fuck up!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ci57Fom6eE

DC politicians and staffers are specifically NOT exempt from Obamacare. :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on October 08, 2013, 01:54:31 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 07, 2013, 12:52:41 PM

I've had to completely disengage from Facebook arguments about the debt ceiling.  I ended up arguing with someone in the military and someone who does defense contracting and they both see no problem hitting the debt ceiling.  Meanwhile my company would most likely very quickly go belly up (the exchange rate and all) and they don't really see this as a problem either.

 ??? What is he thinking? Defense is one of the most volatile markets there is...

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 08, 2013, 02:36:41 AM

seems to be the common theme...

"this isn't affecting me therefore it's not actually happening"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 03:49:35 AM

Nobody probably cares but I came across these recently and found them quite amusing. Milton Friedman in his prime basically kicking a young David Brooks' (calling himself a "Social Democrat") shit in as part of a seminar type program. Of course your agreement on how much may vary, but David Brooks getting eviscerated is always a positive thing in my opinion. Especially if you're some unmediated solitary 29-year old with imperfectly creased pants.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRXEk7su62w

Parts 2 and 3, less Brooks abuse in these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-tL3GMgR_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-tL3GMgR_w)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9Pcq_mJRU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9Pcq_mJRU)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 08, 2013, 11:11:35 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/let-s-call-the-shutdown-what-it-is-secession-by-another-means

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2013, 12:52:38 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 08, 2013, 11:11:35 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/let-s-call-the-shutdown-what-it-is-secession-by-another-means

:whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 08, 2013, 01:02:22 PM

shout out to the tea party

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/shutdown-salmonella/

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Late-breaking news, and I’ll update as I find out more: While the government is shut down, with food-safety personnel and disease detectives sent home and forbidden to work, a major foodborne-illness outbreak has begun. This evening, the Food Safety and Inspection Service of the US Department of Agriculture announced that “an estimated 278 illnesses … reported in 18 states” have been caused by chicken contaminated with Salmonella Heidelberg and possibly produced by the firm Foster Farms.

“FSIS is unable to link the illnesses to a specific product and a specific production period,” the agency said in an emailed alert. “The outbreak is continuing.”

This is the exact situation that CDC and other about-to-be-furloughed federal personnel warned about last week. As a reminder, a CDC staffer told me at the time:

    I know that we will not be conducting multi-state outbreak investigations.  States may continue to find outbreaks, but we won’t be doing the cross-state consultation and laboratory work to link outbreaks that might cross state borders.

That means that the lab work and molecular detection that can link far-apart cases and define the size and seriousness of outbreaks are not happening. At the CDC, which operates the national foodborne-detection services FoodNet and PulseNet, scientists couldn’t work on this if they wanted to; they have been locked out of their offices, lab and emails. (At a conference I attended last week, 10 percent of the speakers did not show up because they were CDC personnel and risked being fired if they traveled even voluntarily.)

In case it seems like this is not a big deal (just 300 illnesses, just some raw chicken): foodborne illness can have lifelong consequences that range from arthritis to kidney trouble to heart disease. And: The number of illnesses that can be identified in any foodborne outbreak are almost always an under-estimate.

In its statement, FSIS said:

    Raw products from the facilities in question bear one of the establishment numbers inside a USDA mark of inspection or elsewhere on the package:

        “P6137”
        “P6137A”
        “P7632”

    The products were mainly distributed to retail outlets in California, Oregon and Washington State.

It is the second time this year that the firm at the center of this alert, Foster Farms, has been linked to a nationwide Salmonella outbreak. In July, according to the CDC, 134 people in 13 states were made ill by chicken linked to two Foster Farms slaughterhouses.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 08, 2013, 02:22:16 PM

Obama is standing his ground so far. Good.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 08, 2013, 02:57:32 PM

after the NYTimes article this week I'm thinking the Koch's aren't just chock full o' avarice, but also pretty dumb.

guess who loses the most money if the economy tanks, the people who have the most money, dummies.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 08, 2013, 03:08:21 PM

The Koch brothers don't actually believe the US will default on its debt, just that Obama will be humiliated in the process.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2013, 04:11:43 PM

Quote from: Eric P on October 08, 2013, 01:02:22 PM

shout out to the tea party

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/shutdown-salmonella/

Mmmm mmmm....tastes like freedom. :drool

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2013, 04:59:01 PM

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Barton said Obama's attempts at health care reform and expanding gun control laws are evidence of his similarities to Hitler.

“It’s not just the death camps. (Hitler) started in the communities, with national health care and gun control. You better read your history. Germany started with national health care and gun control before any of that other stuff happened. And Hitler was elected by a majority of people,” she said.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/arizona-lawmaker-stands-by-facebook-post-likening-obama-to-hitler
 :larry

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2013, 04:59:53 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/06/tea_party_radicalism_is_misunderstood_meet_the_newest_right/

If you're a big dog on the local or state level, then it makes perfect sense for you to want to cripple the federal government. Assuming a complete lack of empathy or respect for your fellow man, obvs.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2013, 05:26:14 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/voter-iders-in-kanas-arizona-moving-to-two-tier-voting-systems

Officials in Arizona and Kansas are making preparations for elections with two categories of voters. There will be those who provided proof of citizenship when they registered to vote, and will therefore be able to vote in all local, state, and federal elections. And then there will be those who did not provide proof of citizenship when they registered. Those people will only be able to vote in federal contests -- if at all.

:what

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 05:36:35 PM

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The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies.

...

Every dollar we pay in interest is a dollar not going to investment in America's priorities. Instead, interest payments are a significant tax on all Americans - a debt tax that Washington doesn't want to talk about.

...
 
Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.

:american

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 05:37:50 PM

Without checking, I'd bet some shekels that it's an Obama quote circa 2005-7.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 08, 2013, 05:39:21 PM

2006 I'm sure.  Where's the quote that he acknowledged it's just political grandstanding?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2013, 05:47:35 PM

At least Obama has a plan for lowering the debt that doesn't include taking away programs that keep the poor from starving.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2013, 05:52:35 PM

To be fair, Obama never threatening a government shutdown or default. He took advantage of a political stunt, which is what the debt ceiling has been for years (until the last couple).

Which is why we should pass Mitch McConnell's bill to give presidents authority to unilaterally raise the ceiling, but allow congress to record a vote to show their disapproval.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on October 08, 2013, 06:24:12 PM

When Obama made that quote he was protesting wasteful spending on tax cuts for the wealthy and wars he didn't support. Republicans today are protesting spending on economic recovery programs and domestic improvement programs. Also, pretty sure he didn't decide to then hold the country hostage to get his way afterwards.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 06:31:11 PM

Pfffft, 5 comment response chain for an obvious troll.

I do think there's a lesson in there, about using symbolic votes and rhetoric to score points based off of public ignorance.  Obama didn't create debt hysteria, but public figures like him who ought to know better have reinforced it through years of comments like that.  Like all the "tough" rhetoric towards Iraq from the 90's making the war that much easier to launch in 2003.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 06:31:16 PM

Quote from: Yeti on October 08, 2013, 06:24:12 PM

Also, pretty sure he didn't decide to then hold the country hostage to get his way afterwards.

Uh, he seized the White House and hasn't left it yet to the best of my knowledge.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2013, 06:49:53 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 08, 2013, 06:45:22 PM

I'm thinking there is now a non-negligible chance that we end up hitting the debt ceiling, Obama invokes the 14th, and we get the spectacle of the House impeaching the President for not allowing the country to default.

It's still not the most likely outcome, IMO, but its chances have definitely improved.

Which would still cause the markets to crash spectacularly, making the issue moot.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 06:55:38 PM

Yeah, there's a plausible path to that.  If enough GOP congressfolk decide they need something out of this (for ideological reasons or to save face or whatever), and the Dems stay unified behind Obama to avoid future debt ceiling blackmail, then Boehner might decide the best way out is to punt the whole responsibility over to the administration and force them to use a 14th amendment justification/platinum coin/whatever to unilaterally avoid a default.

It would let Republican officeholders say they didn't back down, avoid a total economic meltdown, and give them a fresh outrage to for fundraising emails.  It'd be interesting to see the leadership's stance on impeachment at that point (utterly pointless with a Democratic majority in the Senate, but that won't necessarily mean it doesn't gather a bunch of steam).

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 08, 2013, 06:58:54 PM

Wow. Just had a driver for one of our jobbers come in and try out his GOP radio talking points. So yeah, there's actually people out there who think this is all the democrats fault for "not negotiating."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 07:25:26 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 06:31:11 PM

I do think there's a lesson in there, about using symbolic votes and rhetoric to score points based off of public ignorance.  Obama didn't create debt hysteria, but public figures like him who ought to know better have reinforced it through years of comments like that.  Like all the "tough" rhetoric towards Iraq from the 90's making the war that much easier to launch in 2003.

Yeah, and it's basically short term thinking. It's less an indictment of Obama personally (other than his willing acceptance of it) than the entire way the "game is played." He's just the easiest to think of examples because he's currently the big man on campus and has so many more positions he naturally has to "take" many times. Another that comes to mind is him telling Hillary in the debates that if mandates worked we could just mandate everyone buy a house to end homelessness. (You can go back a bit to Bush's "humble" foreign policy and "restoring honor" which of course Republicans/conservatives have ready excuses for, after all 9/11 changed everything.)

And in some respects there's a lot of the Senate/Washington "speak" involved in these, where the posturing and explanations make sense in that world but not outside it. The classic example probably being John Kerry's "I actually voted for the $87 billion before I voted against it" which if you understand committees and amendments to bills, etc. can make sense but you still sound like an idiot to most people. Taking that same election, one of the advantages Dean had that probably contributed to his rise is that he could oppose Iraq and the Patriot Act, etc. without having to explain why the hell he voted for it. I always loved when the explanation some of the candidates used was "Bush tricked me or I wouldn't have." Oh, so you got tricked by a moron, great, let's put you in charge!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 07:44:15 PM

My favorite example is the Dubai Ports World deal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_Ports_World_controversy).

After years the Bush administration and its allies blurring the lines between various Arab/Muslim countries and organizations, they were shocked, shocked, to find a public backlash against letting a Middle East-based company manage several major US ports.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 07:51:59 PM

I had forgotten all about that one, it really had something for everybody.

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Those who expressed opposition to the deal included: The New York Times, Michael Savage, Lindsey Graham, The New Republic, The John Birch Society, Sean Hannity, Lou Dobbs,[17] Laura Ingraham; Bill Frist and Hillary Clinton,[18] prominent politicians from two different parties; Bob Menendez, John Gibson,[19] Jon Corzine, and Peter King.[20] Senator Barack Obama stated his opposition to the deal.[21] So did Senators Carl Levin[22] and John Kerry.

Isn't that a motley crew.

Thankfully it all worked out in the end:

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Dubai Ports World eventually sold P&O's American operations to American International Group's asset management division

:lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2013, 08:08:23 PM

I hope the $1 Trillion coin has George W. Bush on it. :bow2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 08:19:09 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2013, 08:08:23 PM

I hope the $1 Trillion coin has George W. Bush on it. :bow2

Pretty sure you can't have a living person on US currency.

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2013, 08:32:38 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/janet-yellen-be-named-fed-chair-wednesday-white-house-8C11360994

(http://i.imgur.com/YwJVALL.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 08, 2013, 09:04:37 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2013, 05:52:35 PM

To be fair, Obama never threatening a government shutdown or default. He took advantage of a political stunt, which is what the debt ceiling has been for years (until the last couple).

Which is why we should pass Mitch McConnell's bill to give presidents authority to unilaterally raise the ceiling, but allow congress to record a vote to show their disapproval.

or just don't have a ceiling. nobody else does.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 08, 2013, 09:21:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2013, 04:59:01 PM

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Barton said Obama's attempts at health care reform and expanding gun control laws are evidence of his similarities to Hitler.

“It’s not just the death camps. (Hitler) started in the communities, with national health care and gun control. You better read your history. Germany started with national health care and gun control before any of that other stuff happened. And Hitler was elected by a majority of people,” she said.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/arizona-lawmaker-stands-by-facebook-post-likening-obama-to-hitler
 :larry

I just read that. Someone wanna tell this dude that 1) Germany had UHC long before "de fuhrer" came to power, and 2) Germany CURRENTLY HAS UHC. :what

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 09:31:41 PM

Also, Hitler and the Nazi party weren't elected by a majority of the people, but who's counting?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 09:43:43 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 08, 2013, 09:31:41 PM

Also, Hitler and the Nazi party weren't elected by a majority of the people, but who's counting?

Bill Clinton?  :smug

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2013, 10:10:23 PM

Eventually Boehner will do what he did with the 2011 budget and the fiscal cliff: crawl to Pelosi. The markets made some noise today but it's not a full throated "WTF" yet. Not worried.

A family friend works for the EPA and his furloughed. Thank god Obama isn't falling for the piecemeal funding gimmick, because there's no way republicans would fund the EPA lol.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2013, 11:12:02 PM

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I had a concussion so they had to ask me a bunch of questions ‘cause my mind wasn’t quite working and they said, ‘who’s the President?’ And I said, ‘an S.O.B.’ and he said, ‘good enough.’ (Tea Party woman, Roanoke)

:lol

Some of that analysis in the paper sounds familiar.  :-*

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That’s a big thing right now is when they were spying on us and looking at all the stuff and you know I mean years ago my parents were talking about it. They’re not like crazy and nuts or anything but I mean they always talked about it and I kind of tried to, no they’re not but now we’re finding out more and more information that everything we do you know, every Google search you make they know about. (Tea Party woman, Roanoke)

He’s [Obama] turned the government into a spy agency on us. (Evangelical man, Roanoke)

I think what we fail to realize—that it has…to do with setting up an organization and a machinery that can control and spy on every asset of our lives, and control it. And once it’s infiltrated with all of the little webs…you won’t be able to undo it. (Evangelical man, Roanoke)

When you find out that they’re keeping all the records of your telephone conversations, every email, everything that you’re doing – the government is spying on you. (Evangelical man, Roanoke)

I hope they don't forget this under President Christie or Bush The Third. Especially the guy I bolded.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2013, 11:47:57 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 08, 2013, 10:14:04 PM

I found this to be an interesting read. It's a psychological analysis of the Republican base, divided into three main factions (Evangelicals, Tea Party, and Moderates). It's somewhat cathartic to just think of them as racist morons, but trying to understand why they think the way they do is pretty interesting.

http://www.democracycorps.com/attachments/article/954/dcor%20rpp%20fg%20memo%20100313%20final.pdf

you see the Hillary comment in there, about moderate GOP women supporting her? 2016 is gonna be a bloodbath.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 12:47:51 AM

Republicans are delusional about Hillary as much as they were about Obama. On other forums I heard nothing from 2011-2012 about how Obama was going to lose because of the economy and scandals. Certain people were claiming he had no chance no matter who the GOP candidate was, would be a landslide. I was adamant from the time the cycle started that Obama would win (by less than 2008) and there's a post somewhere in April 2012 where I pegged every state but Florida right lol. (I wavered on Virginia later and wound up two off. smh)

A poll came out a couple weeks or so ago that showed Biden blipping up in the head-to-heads like 7-10 points. I talked about how this meant Hillary is going to be up 15-25 points on the GOP candidates in her head-to-heads based on the past polls. "No way, Hillary just isn't that well liked." "Impossible, Hillary is ruined by Benghazi." Anyway, http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1959 I assume that's only the first of many.

Delusional or they can't read polling trends properly. A little of both maybe.

I thought there was still a possibly she wouldn't run which gives the GOP a little room, and I can't imagine Biden is truly a serious contender for even the nomination, but I guess she's looking towards it now. I don't know why anyone who can wait would even bother to challenge her, she'll have it wrapped up pretty tightly.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 01:26:54 AM

I think in general, and this is just my outsider impression, that Republicans tend to overestimate their electoral power and Democrats tend to overestimate their political power.

This may be related to the underlying nationalist and Marxist philosophical frameworks of the two parties.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 09, 2013, 01:50:34 AM

Libertarians tend to overestimate how much the behavior of large groups of people can be attributed to explicitly ideological thinking.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 02:01:06 AM

Well, good thing I'm not a libertarian.

But I can see where I went wrong in writing that post, I was thinking in terms of historiography since that's where Marx's crimes are and the only thing I associate as "Marxist." So that's totally my fault. To elaborate, the idea is in that the Republicans overestimate how much they represent "America" and the cause of America thus why they always seem to be on the guaranteed path for electoral success but fall short (remember the PERMANENT MAJORITY demographics was providing after 2004?), while Democrats seem to think the hard work was getting elected and now the obvious progressive path of history will advance thus their stumbling over political roadblocks many of which were foreseeable.

Anyway, I'm just spit-balling grand theories again to see if anyone wants to take them up. I've got no problem with them just being dismissed or being properly criticized for organizing discrete individuals into ONE SIZE FITS ALL groups.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 02:09:28 AM

Every libertarian is dungeon master of their own RPG. The carefully crafted rules don't tend to apply to other games, or real life.

Can Hillary lose? Sure of course. If the economy sucks and people are truly tired of Obama, democrats could have a tough time. Or if she faces Chris Christie, I could see him winning independents (or losing women by 30 points, considering his dick behavior would really look bad against a female). But if things go normally, the economy steadily improves, Obamacare isn't a total disaster, etc...I don't see her losing. On the flip side if she doesn't run, it's hard to see the American people electing Joe Biden president.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 02:21:26 AM

I can't see the economy or Obamacare really harming Hillary too much. I mean what's to stop her, worst case scenario, from basically making the argument she did last time? That Obama wasn't ready, but she can add he got things started so now it's time for the experienced hand to make things perfect. Plus the War on Women will be endless.

What could bring her favorable ratings down now that she's out of office? She was barely positive last time she ran, now she's at like +35 or +40.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 02:27:52 AM

She's not going to shit on Obama unless things really get bad. In order to win she'll have to shore up the demographics he dominates, ie blacks and Hispanics. Clowning him isn't gonna fly. Although I definitely think she can make the "I told you so" argument about, well...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ia8I2jtfI
:rejoice

on a side note I wonder "why" she wants to be president, outside of the typical selfish reasons. Obama wanted to do something about energy dependence, and healthcare. Hillary ran in 2008 largely on healthcare. Now that hole has been pegged so...? She could just sit back and run up the score, jobs wise, considering the economy is projected to take wing after 2016, but that's far from ambitious.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 02:36:49 AM

I just think that base is on lockdown for a strong candidate like her. If it was Biden/Warren/Warner/O'Malley/etc. as the field, it's definitely more of a worry for the party in the general.

I would agree Christie is the biggest threat though.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 02:54:55 AM

I don't think Warren would run even if Hillary didn't. O'Malley is definitely running, and has built up quite a liberal resume; he's like the anti Cuomo at this point. Outside of that...uh, Biden. I like Biden but I think he'll be too old in 3 years.

There may be some behind-the-scenes politics going on in Virginia which could culminate in Mark Warner becoming Hillary's VP but we'll see. I'll call this now: if Warner becomes Hillary's VP, Clinton slappy Terry McAuliffe (who is about to become Virginia's governor) will select Tom Perriello (former congressmen swept out in 2010, and strong Obama supporter) as his replacement in the senate. I tend to think some type of deal was reached to convince Tom Perriello not to run for governor this year, thus avoiding a Clinton/Obama battle; given how weak McAuliffe is, I really think Perriello would have crushed him in a primary.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2013, 03:03:33 AM

I was just grabbing names really, they've been polling Warren almost every time for whatever reason. Wikipedia indicates that Howard Dean is interested in running again. Deval Patrick isn't.

The "potential" candidates list has some sensible and laughable ones: Jerry Brown, Cuomo, Gillibrand, Gregoire, Hickenlooper, Klobuchar, Jack Markell, Napolitano, Schweitzer, Sebelius.

I can't imagine most of these that would be serious couldn't "punt" until 2020/2024. Except Hickenlooper and Sebelius maybe.

The GOP list of "publicly expressed interest" is great. John Bolton, Scott Brown, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Christie, Cruz, Huckabee, Huntsman, Ted Nugent, Rand Paul, Perry, Santorum, Trump. Here's hoping for a Bolton/Carson/Nugent/Trump debate possibly.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 09, 2013, 10:13:56 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTxWMkW8s_c

 :whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 09, 2013, 10:34:56 AM

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/glenn-beck-considers-moving-canada-obama-administration-revolutionaries-start-scoop-people

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Beck recounted a conversation he had with co-host Pat Gray about fleeing the country: “Pat said to me a little while ago, ‘If you’re serious, I might take you up on that move to Canada thing.’ I mean I really sincerely thought this weekend, you know, maybe it’s time to move to Canada.”

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 09, 2013, 10:49:53 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 02:27:52 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ia8I2jtfI

she clearly wasn't ready for all the great things that obama sometimes wanted to happen.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2013, 10:53:53 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 09, 2013, 10:34:56 AM

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/glenn-beck-considers-moving-canada-obama-administration-revolutionaries-start-scoop-people

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Beck recounted a conversation he had with co-host Pat Gray about fleeing the country: “Pat said to me a little while ago, ‘If you’re serious, I might take you up on that move to Canada thing.’ I mean I really sincerely thought this weekend, you know, maybe it’s time to move to Canada.”

 :neogaf

Only then will he be free from the slavery of Obamacare.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2013, 12:09:13 PM

Hey brehs, remember when George Will was a relevant political voice worth listening to? Nah, just fucking with you- me either. Looks like his escape pod to the Faux News right wing commentariat wildlife reserve has driven him to a full blown teahadist. I look forward to his columns flirting with birtherism in the coming years!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-will-compares-obamacare-to-fugitive-slave-act-segregation

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2013, 12:21:53 PM

It's funny, as people get elderly and their hair remains the same, you start to realize that they have been wearing a toupee all along.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2013, 12:59:03 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 09, 2013, 10:13:56 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTxWMkW8s_c

 :whew

FEEL BOSS

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 12:59:56 PM

Not a Booker fan but this is an amazing ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2aYHSi_O4U

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2013, 01:57:04 PM

Looks like it's starting to unravel at the edges ...

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In a move that highlights a growing rift in conservative ranks, Koch Industries -- the privately held energy conglomerate owned by  billionaires Charles and David Koch -- today distanced the firm from allied political groups lobbying to keep the government shut down unless Obamacare is defunded.

A letter, signed by the company's chief lobbyist and sent to members of Congress, says that Koch Industries has taken no position on the shutdown dispute in Congress "nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defending Obamacare."

Boehner has alluded that it's not about Obamacare and now the Tea Party moneymen have ran away from it. Now, it's just a matter of figuring out what 'spending-cut bone' they can throw the savages and call it a day.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 09, 2013, 02:00:51 PM

Link?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2013, 02:02:27 PM

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/09/20886586-kochs-to-congress-focus-on-spending-not-obamacare?lite

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 09, 2013, 02:10:19 PM

Paul Ryan and Eric Cantor both had op-eds about the stalemate and neither of them mentioned defunding or otherwise kneecapping the ACA, so they're definitely trying to shift their ransom demands.  Good jon, guys.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 02:14:47 PM

Interesting note: Paul Ryan released an op-ed in WSJ yesterday that focused on using the debt ceiling to leverage steep entitlement cuts. No reference to Obamacare, which led to far right interest groups attacking him.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/conservatives-furious-that-ryan-didn-t-address-obamacare-in-debt-proposals

Then today Boehner hastily took to the House floor, after a private meeting with Pelosi/Hoyer, and slammed Obamacare for the first time in awhile. Most of this week has been focused on Ryan's entitlement plan as leadership decided to move the focus away from Obamacare.

All this+Koch Bros throwing in the towel=end times. If House republicans reject Ryan's plan, or demand he add Obamacare language to it, I can't see many paths forward for republicans. Maybe Boehner will go back to limited CRs but that's a short term strategy.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 03:03:21 PM

http://www.gallup.com/poll/165317/republican-party-favorability-sinks-record-low.aspx?utm_source=add_this&utm_medium=addthis.com&utm_campaign=sharing#.UlWiPNqDDHU.twitter

(http://i.qkme.me/3reab2.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2013, 04:37:34 PM

Unskew the polls? :'(

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 09, 2013, 05:11:49 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/10/09/us/ap-us-shutdown-fidelity.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/10/09/us/ap-us-shutdown-fidelity.html?hp)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 09, 2013, 08:47:12 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2013, 01:57:04 PM

Looks like it's starting to unravel at the edges ...

Quote

In a move that highlights a growing rift in conservative ranks, Koch Industries -- the privately held energy conglomerate owned by  billionaires Charles and David Koch -- today distanced the firm from allied political groups lobbying to keep the government shut down unless Obamacare is defunded.

A letter, signed by the company's chief lobbyist and sent to members of Congress, says that Koch Industries has taken no position on the shutdown dispute in Congress "nor have we lobbied on legislative provisions defending Obamacare."

Boehner has alluded that it's not about Obamacare and now the Tea Party moneymen have ran away from it. Now, it's just a matter of figuring out what 'spending-cut bone' they can throw the savages and call it a day.

That about wraps it up.

I mean, how teahadist do you have to be when the fucking Koch Bros. and Freedomworks think you're going too far?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2013, 08:53:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 09, 2013, 05:11:49 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/10/09/us/ap-us-shutdown-fidelity.html?hp (http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013/10/09/us/ap-us-shutdown-fidelity.html?hp)

"but the debt ceiling is just an imaginary construct with no real world implications!"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 09, 2013, 08:56:15 PM

Its really fun watching my 401k's YTD returns tank. Thanks for watching out for me GOP!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2013, 10:17:12 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 09, 2013, 08:56:15 PM

Its really fun watching my 401k's YTD returns tank. Thanks for watching out for me GOP!

Sorry mups, from time to time the tree of liberty has to be refreshed with the blood of your savings.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 10, 2013, 12:27:27 AM

push them to meltdown, Bambsy - attach a demand of your own : tax on Catholic church and specifically say that the tax money will be used for contraceptive distribution for women.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 10, 2013, 01:56:52 AM

Wasn't there a rumor that Bill Clinton was having another affair in 2008 during the democratic campaigning season? It'll be 20 years since Monica Lewinsky when Hillary runs but I would rather not vote for her if it means a good chance of her husband getting caught and publicly shamed again, I think it would decrease the effectiveness of the office of the president to have marriage dysfunctions brought up by moral conservatives.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 10, 2013, 02:16:27 AM

Quote

brought up by moral conservatives

are there any left who are still on their first marriage and/or aren't secretly "on the other bus" / sending fruity pictures to people ?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 10, 2013, 04:04:26 AM

In the real world, you don't throw stones from a greenhouse but this is politics. I hate to say it but I really did think that after Bush, the priority shouldn't have been on breaking gender/racial barriers over getting somebody who was basically a perfect non-controversial  mouthpiece for advancing liberal policies.

I would wouldn't mind voting for Hillary as a person, but You have to consider a politician's family too especially when their husband was up for impeachment. Hopefully the heart bypass surgery and age have made him calm down.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2013, 07:15:35 AM

Quote from: am nintenho on October 10, 2013, 04:04:26 AM

In the real world, you don't throw stones from a greenhouse but this is politics. I hate to say it but I really did think that after Bush, the priority shouldn't have been on breaking gender/racial barriers over getting somebody who was basically a perfect non-controversial  mouthpiece for advancing liberal policies.

Someone non-controversial like decorated war veteran John Kerry? Oh wait, now he HATES THE TROOPS OMG TRAITOR SCUM. And Al Gore, IF GLOBAL WARMING IS REAL WHY WE STILL GOT SNOW LOL LIBERAL HIPPIE SCUM?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 10, 2013, 09:07:10 AM

why am nintenho, those posts do not make any sense!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2013, 09:11:47 AM

Don't a lot of people attach Hilary with the Benghazi situation and presumably won't vote for Hilary because of that?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2013, 09:21:31 AM

And, really, the only people still holding onto BENGHAZI!!!!! are the people who were never going to vote for a Democrat anyway.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 09:23:10 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on October 10, 2013, 09:11:47 AM

Don't a lot of people attach Hilary with the Benghazi situation and presumably won't vote for Hilary because of that?

Only republicans who wouldn't vote for her anyway. Benghazi was a CIA fuck up we may never get all the details about.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2013, 09:23:56 AM

While true, I'm basically taking away the idea that maybe people naturally link Hilary with Obama's presidency. Which won't really require much long term memory as much as it'd require basic association.

Then again going by the report on the last page it doesn't really matter.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2013, 10:42:55 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVcah1ZTclg

this guy was the front runner for NYC mayor for a bit.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 10, 2013, 10:44:25 AM

It occurred to me today that the most , apparently, suspicious of any overarching control system are also fundamentalist christians ....


yup, i don't want some elected force governing my every life decision ... PRAISE JESUS MY LORD AND SAVIOUR WHO SAYS CONDOMS ARE BAD AND THAT THE fegs SHOULD ALL BURN IN HELL

edit : My other fave from today : "Who cares about Fidelity? i mean - who even knows who they are!" #golfclap

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2013, 11:35:51 AM

Quote from: Eric P on October 10, 2013, 10:42:55 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVcah1ZTclg

this guy was the front runner for NYC mayor for a bit.

Can't keep his pants on, though.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2013, 11:46:29 AM

Reading Robert Costa's twitter feed is :neogaf

Quote

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 7m
If you think this is rough, tho, con Rs already telling me Boehner's play makes the CR "their thing," won't give in for small concession

 Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 11m
Boehner lets 'em keep shutdown in exchange for 6wk DL ext MT @BenjySarlin Labrador says he backs DL increase to continue fight against Ocare

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 31m
The hard thing for leadership, esp during open mic now, is that a large # of Rs are simply unhappy w/ anything that's not a BIG WIN

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 40m
Boehner trying to escape default. Ending govt shutdown is, 4 now, a secondary concern. He's not sure if he has votes for fmr, let alone a CR

 Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 44m
We are at a moment now, at this min, where this either becomes Plan B redux or it begins to build support, however uneasy, twd passage

 Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 52m
Boehner's speech, per members: 6-week debt ceiling till Nov 22, plus budget conferees to lead broader talks

Boehner on suicide watch yet? "We gave you a 6 week extension on the default (maybe!), so now you gotta give us a BIG WIN on the CR before we'll reopen the government!" :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 10, 2013, 12:06:47 PM

Since I'm not as old as some of you and started caring about politics a little late, can someone tell me if they remember a Speaker with less control over their party? 

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2013, 12:13:28 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-republicans-mull-short-term-debt-limit-hike

Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) announced Thursday that the House will move forward with a six-week debt limit extension after pitching the idea to his Republican conference during a closed-door meeting.

The plan would sustain the government shutdown -- now in its 10th day -- while temporarily averting a catastrophic debt default by authorizing continued borrowing through Nov. 22.

 :snoop

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 12:27:47 PM

Not a fan of the 6wk DL. It's clear to all that the GOP will not allow us to default. Why not have the senate attatch a full DL raise+govt funding and send it back to the House.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2013, 12:46:48 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/arizona-s-gop-gov-don-t-defund-obamacare-we-need-the-money

“The bottom line is we need that money in our economy to save rural hospitals and jobs in the rural areas,” Brewer said, according to the Arizona Daily Star. “It’s all about jobs and getting back federal dollars that our taxpayers have paid to the federal government, to bring them home.”

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 10, 2013, 12:47:35 PM

yeah - Obama should reject. Either you are with us or against us. Pick a side.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 12:51:57 PM

This proves what many have said all along - Boehner will not allow a default. So force him to fall on his sword, fully.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 03:59:27 PM

Paul Kane ‏@pkcapitol 55m
Cornyn and Collins say Senate Rs want to amend the House R debt limit hike, figure a way to attach CR component. Working w/ Senate Ds.

 :lol :lol :lol

please, please happen

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 10, 2013, 04:02:09 PM

This is looking more and more like "god we hope people forget about this before 2014/16"

I also think anyone who the stick of this on them is dead in the water in 2016.  Chris Christie to the rescue?*

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just kidding the crazy wing will still shit all the primaries

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 10, 2013, 04:07:30 PM

So they want to kick the can down the road until right before Thanksgiving? Awesome.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2013, 04:09:45 PM

If Obama supports the 6 week extension, then it's obviously some kind of trap; bail out Tea Party! Let God judge the RINO traitors that are plotting against you!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 05:35:28 PM

Imagine not being able to work, potentially through Thanksgiving, due to this shit. Furloughed people can't apply for unemployment benefits right?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on October 10, 2013, 06:19:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 05:35:28 PM

Imagine not being able to work, potentially through Thanksgiving, due to this shit. Furloughed people can't apply for unemployment benefits right?

From what I know, they can, but it Congress approves backpay, they have to give that money back.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 10, 2013, 06:20:56 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 05:35:28 PM

Imagine not being able to work, potentially through Thanksgiving, due to this shit. Furloughed people can't apply for unemployment benefits right?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/03/1243826/-Facing-shutdown-uncertainty-furloughed-federal-workers-file-for-unemployment

Seems like they can collect unemployment if the D.C. DES was preparing for this. Still of course they probably can't afford to live on just UE benefits for very long.

I can imagine how outraged the public will be if national parks and monuments are closed during the thanksgiving weekend.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 06:39:39 PM

Quote

Obama Rejects Republican Proposal For Short-Term Debt Limit Plan: Report
The Huffington Post | Posted: 10/10/2013 6:18 pm EDT

Quote

Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics 37s
By 22pt margin (53%-31%) public blames GOP more for the shutdown than Obama -- a wider margin of blame than GOP got in poll in '95-96

Quote

President Obama’s approval rating is up slightly in the WSJ/NBC poll to 47-48 versus 45-50 last month. Democrats now lead Republicans on a generic Congressional ballot 47-39, a five point bump in the same period.

But the number that’s truly apocalyptic for Republicans is respondents’ views of the Affordable Care Act. The law is actually gaining support in the latest poll: 38% of respondents now say the law is a good idea versus 43% who say it’s a bad idea, a major bump from the 31-44 margin it polled last month and its best result in over a year. The surge in support comes despite a glitch-filled rollout of the law’s exchanges that’s proving a publicity problem for the White House.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/10/10/gop-plummets-obamacare-soars-in-shutdown-standoff/

There seem to be mixed reports coming from the meeting. Some say Obama outright rejected offer, others say he will mull over it tonight. Regardless, the GOP is fucked.  :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2013, 08:04:17 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 06:39:39 PM

Quote

Obama Rejects Republican Proposal For Short-Term Debt Limit Plan: Report
The Huffington Post | Posted: 10/10/2013 6:18 pm EDT

Quote

Mark Murray ‏@mmurraypolitics 37s
By 22pt margin (53%-31%) public blames GOP more for the shutdown than Obama -- a wider margin of blame than GOP got in poll in '95-96

Quote

President Obama’s approval rating is up slightly in the WSJ/NBC poll to 47-48 versus 45-50 last month. Democrats now lead Republicans on a generic Congressional ballot 47-39, a five point bump in the same period.

But the number that’s truly apocalyptic for Republicans is respondents’ views of the Affordable Care Act. The law is actually gaining support in the latest poll: 38% of respondents now say the law is a good idea versus 43% who say it’s a bad idea, a major bump from the 31-44 margin it polled last month and its best result in over a year. The surge in support comes despite a glitch-filled rollout of the law’s exchanges that’s proving a publicity problem for the White House.

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/10/10/gop-plummets-obamacare-soars-in-shutdown-standoff/

There seem to be mixed reports coming from the meeting. Some say Obama outright rejected offer, others say he will mull over it tonight. Regardless, the GOP is fucked.  :lol

Fucked with their own dicks.  :whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2013, 08:51:28 PM

I've never felt better about bailing out of the Republican party than I do right now. #winningteam

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2013, 12:21:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2013, 05:35:28 PM

Imagine not being able to work, potentially through Thanksgiving, due to this shit. Furloughed people can't apply for unemployment benefits right?

Off the top of my head I know three people who work at NASA, one on Capitol Hill, one at NOAA, one at the mint, one for INS, several at the FDA, and a bunch of people who rely in varying degrees on contract work.

As you can imagine, people in this area are NOT happy campers.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 11, 2013, 02:17:01 AM

Holy shit. 50% of the public says the Dems should control both houses of congress next year, compared to 38% favoring the Republicans.  :o :o :o

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2013, 02:22:07 AM

Yeah, but Dems typically do better in generic-ballot polls far away from election time than they do in reality, and if it becomes clear that this is a huge electoral drag for Republicans, then Congressfolk in swing districts will do their best to distance themselves from it.  Plus a year is a long time in terms of political memory.

That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats actually pick up some seats in the midterm, which is a pretty big indictment of the GOP by itself.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 02:31:43 AM

The numbers mirror the numbers democrats had a year before the 2006 midterms, but ultimately I agree. Dems will pick up seats, assuming the economy isn't fucked by the shutdown nonsense, but it's virtually impossible for them to retake the House due to gerrymandering.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2013, 02:46:02 AM

It's not just gerrymandering, I believe, but actual demographic patterns.  It's mostly urban districts that are 80-90% Democratic.  And yeah, I know about creating black-majority districts which both help black candidates win primaries and create more GOP-leaning districts overall.  But right now, any "fair" drawing of Congressional districts that tried to represent natural communities or geographic areas would lean GOP, just like the electoral college seemingly leans Democratic right now.

Either way it would have to be a pretty big swing.  I wouldn't put it past the GOP to shoot themselves in the foot that hard, but it's nowhere near guaranteed.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2013, 08:45:17 AM

Quote from: Eschaton on October 11, 2013, 01:18:56 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2013, 08:51:28 PM

I've never felt better about bailing out of the Republican party than I do right now. #winningteam

:kobeyuck at ever voting republican

Dog pls

Hey, you try growing up to conservative parents in the armpit of America and not vote Republican at least once. We're lucky I ever managed to find my way out at all.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2013, 10:56:35 AM

LOL, remember this guy

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gun-mishap-cuts-short-anti-college intellectual-police-chief-s-disciplinary-hearing

Gun Mishap Cuts Short Anti-'college intellectual' Police Chief's Disciplinary Hearing

AP Photo Catherine Thompson – October 11, 2013, 8:05 AM EDT | 8760
A public hearing for suspended Gliberton, Pa. police Chief Mark Kessler, whose YouTube gun demonstration videos drew national attention, was cut short Thursday night when a man dropped a semi-automatic pistol on the floor, the Republican Herald reported.

An unidentified man dropped the pistol, which the Republican Herald described as possibly a .45 semi-automatic, about 90 minutes into the hearing. The firearm did not discharge and no one was injured.

Attorneys ordered the man to leave before expressing concern for spectators' safety and postponing the hearing entirely, according to the newspaper. The attorneys had been taking testimony on borough official's charges that Kessler had neglected his duties and conducted himself inappropriately while off-duty, which would help determine whether Kessler would remain in his post.

The borough council had voted in September to continue to suspend Kessler pending termination. Previously, the council had suspended him for using borough-owned guns in a series of YouTube videos in which he fires machine guns and rails against Democratic political figures he calls "libtards."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 11:03:58 AM

"Hey guys, gun drop at 6:30, pass it on!"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 11, 2013, 11:20:08 AM

No one died? But TV taught me that when guns get dropped they always fire directly at innocent children...

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 11:29:09 AM

I know you're disappointed Spencer, but maybe next time. Because there's always plenty of next times.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2013, 11:47:04 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dQfV-0R4ZY

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-to-fox-news-no-the-shutdown-is-the-gop-s-fault-video

"Let's have a little straight talk, Martha," McCain said. "[The administration] wouldn't have had the opportunity to handle it that way if we had not shut down the government on a fool's errand that we were not going to accomplish. The whole premise of shutting down the government was the repeal of Obamacare. I fought against Obamacare harder than any of the people who wanted to shut down the government."

:heh

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 11:51:05 AM

John McCain is getting a little :goty

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 12:34:42 PM

Her exasperated gasp at the end  :lol

I eagerly await the House's "at least I got chicken" moment, where they pretend they won something.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 01:00:10 PM

http://joeforamerica.com/2013/10/america-needs-white-republican-president/
 :goty2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2013, 02:15:48 PM

Quote from: The Business on October 11, 2013, 08:50:10 AM

Mandark, is the shutdown affecting DC traffic at all?

Maybe marginally, but it's still miserable and full of terrible drivers.

Remember that trucker protest (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/10/10/truckers-washington-beltway-protest/2962045/) that fizzled out?  "We're going to make them give in by CLOGGING UP THE BELTWAY!" was just the cutest idea ever.  And they say student protesters are naive.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 02:17:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 01:00:10 PM

http://joeforamerica.com/2013/10/america-needs-white-republican-president/
 :goty2

White man's burden, it's so heavy brehs. :goty

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 11, 2013, 02:31:03 PM

There is a petition on that site to arm our troops?! :rofl

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 11, 2013, 02:47:29 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 11, 2013, 02:31:03 PM

There is a petition on that site to arm our troops?! :rofl

(http://i.imgur.com/l7I3wni.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 03:09:44 PM

"Every democrat president since Andrew Jackson has carried on his racist tradition"
:violin

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 05:57:27 PM

Quote

'She's Got Really Hot Breasts, Man!' Lonegan Aide Bashes Booker With X-Rated Rant

A top aide to Republican New Jersey Senate hopeful Steve Lonegan went into decidedly not-safe-for-work territory when TPM asked why he thinks his candidate has been gaining on Democratic opponent Cory Booker in recent polls.

In a profanity-filled assessment of the race delivered via phone Thursday, Rick Shaftan, a senior staffer and key strategist on Lonegan's campaign, suggested voters would be turned off by Booker's "odd" behavior including Twitter messages the Democrat sent to a stripper, that Shaftan described as "strange" and "like what a gay guy would say."

"It was just weird. I mean, to me, you know, hey, if he said, 'Hey, you got really hot breasts man, I'd love to suck on them.' Then like, yeah, cool. But like, he didn't say that," Shaftan explained. "It was like kind of like, I don't know, it was like what a gay guy would say to a stripper. It's the way he was talking to her. It's just like like there was no sexual interest at all. I don't know. To me, if I was single and you know like some stripper was tweeting me, I might take advantage of the perks of the office, you know?"

Booker, the mayor of Newark, N.J., appeared in an as-yet-unreleased documentary about Twitter with the Portland, Ore.-based stripper, Lynsie Lee. Their Twitter exchanges made headlines late last month after Buzzfeed highlighted a brief, private exchange the two of them had on the social network.

"And the East Coast loves you and by the East Coast, I mean me," Booker wrote to Lee.

"Well now I'm blushing :)," she replied.

"Its only fair," wrote Booker.

The Booker campaign initially dismissed the minor media frenzy generated by the Twitter messages. Spokesman Kevin Griffis responded by characterizing the exchange between Booker and Lee as proof "the mayor remains accessible and engages with people." Griffis also joked that the fact Lee works for a club in Oregon that bills itself as the "world's first vegan strip club" was actually "the most shocking thing about this story."

At a press conference, Booker said his communications with Lee were simply proof he spends substantial time on Twitter "listening to people and engaging with people no matter what their profession."

However, in the interview with TPM, Shaftan said it was impossible Booker did not take notice of the topless pictures Lee regularly shared on her Twitter page.

"This is strange. It's just weird. ... It's like, 'I don't know who she is. I don't know anything about her.' Get the fuck out of here dude. You can't follow her Twitter page and not know she's got those great breasts. How do you fucking not know?" Shaftan said. "It's just too odd and people they just wonder, like, who does this guy really want to work for? Who's he representing?"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/top-aide-believes-steve-lonegan-is-surging-because-of-cory-booker-s-strange-behavior
:rofl

to be fair, based on those tweets Booker is either in a relationship, very smart (ie avoiding Carlos Danger moments), or wilde homo

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2013, 06:00:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNTuIxLXAo8

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 06:03:02 PM

Cory Booker is too fabulous for repubs.  :whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 06:12:31 PM

BTW, that (probably fake) Lenin quote has been scaring RWNJ's since the 40's! :heh

http://books.google.com/books?id=UEGLO9YUecEC&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&#v=onepage&q&f=false

Some things change, but crazy never goes out of style.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 07:09:31 PM

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/3077762/posts

 :sabu

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 11, 2013, 07:15:11 PM

Quote

It's up to you if you want to take money from other taxpayers.

That's something I would hold off on for as long as possible because you would be participating in the wealth distribution scheme of socialists.

Waiter, I'd like to send this back, it's too salty

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 07:31:41 PM

Obamacare subsidies would take money out of my fellow American's pockets
 :goty

*takes house mortgage tax deduction*
 :PP

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2013, 07:43:59 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 06:12:31 PM

BTW, that (probably fake) Lenin quote has been scaring RWNJ's since the 40's! :heh

http://books.google.com/books?id=UEGLO9YUecEC&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92&#v=onepage&q&f=false

Some things change, but crazy never goes out of style.

Socialism's been the RW's favorite boogeyman for the last century, don't expect that to ever change.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 08:04:38 PM

(http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3834/10216265403_493c02d13e_c.jpg)

MLK in the back  :tocry

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 09:28:02 PM

lawl, RWW is having a field day with the Value Voters Summit

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ghBeyEtki5A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_3rEGSizwe4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=yBxWIc-7-eI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=sDnzgd40sTk

Like shooting fish in a barrel, but still, it doesn't mean you can't still have a laff.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 10:31:07 PM

Watch that Santorum clip and compare it to the others, or just about any clip of a conservative talking about gay people. He emits a visceral level of hatred that you almost never see or hear on a national stage. People like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman are able to hide their disgust behind a facade, or even a casually dismissive attitude. Santorum has no filter, and I think that's a big reason why - despite his undeniable work for the cause - fundamentalist Christian groups continue ignore him every four years. Even they realize he's too hateful and couldn't possibly win an election.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2013, 10:41:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2013, 10:31:07 PM

Watch that Santorum clip and compare it to the others, or just about any clip of a conservative talking about gay people. He emits a visceral level of hatred that you almost never see or hear on a national stage. People like Rick Perry and Michelle Bachman are able to hide their disgust behind a facade, or even a casually dismissive attitude. Santorum has no filter, and I think that's a big reason why - despite his undeniable work for the cause - fundamentalist Christian groups continue ignore him every four years. Even they realize he's too hateful and couldn't possibly win an election.

It is pretty impressive that it makes the other people seem sane by comparison. What they're saying may be disgusting and stupid, but you know what they're trying to say. Santorum is just spitting out words and you don't even know what he's talking about and he probably doesn't even know what he's talking about, something about contraception being like the French Revolution because they had an emperor or something, but you can definitely tell he's mad about it, whatever it is because he's yelling and pointing his finger and spittle is flying out of his mouth.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2013, 03:25:40 PM

Obama to House GOP:

(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u122/mrgetright13/fuckyo.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2013, 03:38:01 PM

Sounds like Boehner is fucked

Quote

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 1m
another notable convo in Sen this morn: Rs warning Schumer, Ds that if they truly break Boehner here, possibility for any big leg fades...

oh noes, you mean if dems break Boehner we'll have to deal with an obstructionist congress?  :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 12, 2013, 03:51:21 PM

That makes sense for the ones in safe Tea Party districts. They're actually becoming more popular by sticking to their guns, so throwing their Speaker in front of the bus is all they can do.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 12, 2013, 03:55:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2013, 03:38:01 PM

Sounds like Boehner is fucked

Quote

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 1m
another notable convo in Sen this morn: Rs warning Schumer, Ds that if they truly break Boehner here, possibility for any big leg fades...

oh noes, you mean if dems break Boehner we'll have to deal with an obstructionist congress?  :neogaf

(http://i.imgur.com/k5AxbBn.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2013, 04:04:04 PM

"Give us what we want or Boehner gets it!" :lol

Man, if the Tea Party goes any further with this hostage taking thing, they're going to start literally taking hostages.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 12, 2013, 06:29:22 PM

Obama and the Dems should offer a six month debt ceiling and CR extension. Then let the Reps try and play this out again.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 12, 2013, 07:12:45 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 12, 2013, 06:29:22 PM

Obama and the Dems should offer a six month debt ceiling and CR extension. Then let the Reps try and play this out again.

That would lock in another six months of sequester

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 12, 2013, 07:20:31 PM

Was there ever any reasonable chance the sequester was going to be removed?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 12, 2013, 08:01:00 PM

I'll tell you in two weeks

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2013, 12:21:29 AM

The National Review's Robert Costa has been doing some great reporting on the shutdown

Quote

@robertcostaNRO 29m
The political dynamic now between House Rs and Senate Rs is tense. Sen Rs feel like Cantor asking them to "stand strong" is a middle finger

@robertcostaNRO 28m
Sen Rs say House suddenly going AWOL and telling them to "stand strong" gives Reid much more power to shape contours of final deal

@robertcostaNRO 26m
House doesn't come back till Monday, Sen Rs now not even talking about some big CR/DL bargain, just making sure they don't lose BCA levels

@robertcostaNRO 21m
Ds are negotiating now in Sen like a med-device repeal + CR/DL is beneath them, not good enough--and Sen Rs telling House Rs it's serious

@robertcostaNRO 19m
Little thing I've noticed during deep-bk talks today: Rs barely mentioning outside conservative groups/"key" votes, etc. Here's why...

@robertcostaNRO 16m
polls have dipped, House in disarray, Sen Rs on ropes. Now, cries/anger of Right fading, seem minor as hardball of Sen Ds rattles them

@robertcostaNRO 13m
in short, growing # of Rs could care less about a con$ervative group's threats about not being Cruz-esque/CR warrior when BCA '11 at risk

@robertcostaNRO 11m
There is a growing acceptance in Hill GOP that regardless of how this ends, it'll end badly, and Rs who back it will be blamed for caving

https://twitter.com/robertcostaNRO

McConnell and senate republicans are entirely focused on saving the 2011 Budget Control Act, ie the sequester; no one is discussing Obamacare. And because the shutdown has ruined republicans politically, democrats feel confident enough to not only demand a clean CR/debt ceiling raise, but to open the government at a higher $ than under sequester. Costa has said McConnell is trying to save those spending cuts so he can potentially trade them later during budget discussions, perhaps for entitlement cuts. If the cuts are ended now, republicans won't have anything.

All this thanks to Boehner.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2013, 12:27:15 AM

So basically, Republican are trying to remove a wart from their foot with a pistol, but may end up blowing their big toe off instead.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 13, 2013, 04:48:49 PM

Only on Facebook

(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/bizarrosgr/274532D2-B0C5-4986-AB82-2ABEBE217E39-838-0000009D94C32018_zpsba51ce55.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Freyj on October 13, 2013, 07:23:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Jd-iaYLO1A

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2013, 12:02:47 AM

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2013/10/confederate-flag-wont-help-conservatives-win-shutdown/70479/

Who's the genius who thought this would be a good idea?

 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 14, 2013, 07:55:27 AM

So, wait: I can be arrested for "disturbing the peace," but Boehner and his cronies can't be arrested for shutting down the government?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 14, 2013, 08:39:50 AM

you can be impeached for being in possession of office whilst not a redneck... what did you expect?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 05:51:05 PM

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The outline of the emerging Senate deal is this: The government is funded until Jan. 15. The debt ceiling is lifted until Feb. 7. There are a handful of small Affordable Care Act changes: Stronger income verification, which Republicans want, and a one-year delay on the reinsurance tax, which Democrats want.

Oh, and there's a bicameral budget committee that needs to report back by Dec. 13.

The timing of all this is designed to create a fight about sequestration. The Jan. 15 deadline means funding for the federal government runs out at the exact moment sequestration's deeper cuts kick in. The Dec. 13 deadline means that the full House and Senate would have time to consider any package of recommendations the bicameral committee comes up with, if the committee actually manages to come up with anything.

The deal isn't official yet. It hasn't passed the Senate yet. And it certainly hasn't passed the House yet. But if it does clear those hurdles -- and, again, that's a big if -- it'll mean Republicans and Democrats have agreed to take what began as a fight over the Affordable Care Act and make it into a fight over sequestration.

That's what the Democrats want. It's also what some Republicans, including Rep. Paul Ryan and Grover Norquist want. But it's not been what the Ted Cruz wing of the Republican Party wants. The question now is how much pull they really have. This, from Robert Costa, suggests the answer might be "less than they did a few weeks ago":

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/10/14/the-senates-deal-to-end-the-shutdown-is-a-deal-to-fight-over-sequestration/?print=1

Unions pull a last minute hat trick win, thanks Cruz!

Obamacare already has income verification laws, I'm assuming this new agreement is pure window dressing. In short, House republicans got sent to bed with no dinner.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2013, 06:22:16 PM

Bubububut, the Sarah Palin rally!?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 14, 2013, 06:44:06 PM

Holy shit, the GOP is now further to the right than Grover Norquist?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2013, 07:32:19 PM

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/republicans-using-wwii-vets-for-political-agenda-101413

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How dare these idiots? Tailgunner Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee, the constitooshunal skolar from Utah, and Ms. Palin. How dare they traffick in this manner of grave-robbing? They would all throw these veterans off Medicare, close the VA hospitals, bury the brave old men and women in substandard nursing homes rather than give an inch away of their indomitable ideology of entitled selfishness. Ted Cruz doesn't think the government has a role in making the lives of these veterans easier. Mike Lee thinks the Founders wanted vets to starve. Sarah Palin doesn't think, period, and is proud of it.

 :whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2013, 07:36:52 PM

So this isn't going to be resolved is it?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2013, 07:39:30 PM

Basically, if Boehner thinks that passing the Senate deal will let him keep the Speakership, it might.

...if the rules of the Senate didn't permit Senators to engage in horseshit trickery to hold up bills from being brought up for immediate consideration, anyway.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-14/ted-cruz-could-force-a-debt-default-all-by-himself

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 14, 2013, 07:43:50 PM

After this is it possible for Cruz to be arrested/fired?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 14, 2013, 07:49:17 PM

could be a fun weekend.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 07:50:29 PM

There's no way Cruz single handily crashes the global economy. He wants to be president, after all.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2013, 07:55:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 07:50:29 PM

There's no way Cruz single handily crashes the global economy. He wants to be president, after all.

...and whose dick does he have to suck to win the GOP primary, your average teatard or the Chamber of Commerce?  No, we're fucked.  There's no guarantee Boehner will put this up for a vote, either.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 07:59:08 PM

The House is out of time/bullshit, they have to pass this or we default. Boehner will bite the bullet, then tell his caucus he fought until the last minute. Not worried at all, just as I wasn't worried two weeks ago. Boehner always knew this day would come. He held out to protest his Speakership, and in hopes that maybe Obama would unilaterally cave.

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This is a huge win for those Republicans who got into the shutdown to help unions. For those who had other goals, it's basically a total surrender.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/senators-near-deal-on-gop-surrender.html
:heh

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2013, 08:01:26 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 14, 2013, 07:32:19 PM

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/republicans-using-wwii-vets-for-political-agenda-101413

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How dare these idiots? Tailgunner Ted Cruz, and Mike Lee, the constitooshunal skolar from Utah, and Ms. Palin. How dare they traffick in this manner of grave-robbing? They would all throw these veterans off Medicare, close the VA hospitals, bury the brave old men and women in substandard nursing homes rather than give an inch away of their indomitable ideology of entitled selfishness. Ted Cruz doesn't think the government has a role in making the lives of these veterans easier. Mike Lee thinks the Founders wanted vets to starve. Sarah Palin doesn't think, period, and is proud of it.

 :whew

 :american

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2013, 08:09:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 07:59:08 PM

The House is out of time/bullshit, they have to pass this or we default. Boehner will bite the bullet, then tell his caucus he fought until the last minute. Not worried at all, just as I wasn't worried two weeks ago. Boehner always knew this day would come. He held out to protest his Speakership, and in hopes that maybe Obama would unilaterally cave.

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This is a huge win for those Republicans who got into the shutdown to help unions. For those who had other goals, it's basically a total surrender.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/senators-near-deal-on-gop-surrender.html
:heh

We'll see. 

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2013, 08:12:41 PM

As always, The Onion cuts through to the heart of the bullshit:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/tea-party-congressman-listens-to-constituent-who-w,34218/

:bow Saying the things no one else will say. :bow2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2013, 09:44:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 07:50:29 PM

There's no way Cruz single handily crashes the global economy. He wants to be president, after all.

 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

No way in hell that's happening after this.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2013, 10:53:32 PM

Quote from: Lindsey Graham

This is a very frustrated Lindsey Graham, which is a very dangerous thing.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2013, 11:04:46 PM

No one has ever worried about frustrating Lindsey Graham.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2013, 11:07:30 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 14, 2013, 10:53:32 PM

Quote from: Lindsey Graham

This is a very frustrated Lindsey Graham, which is a very dangerous thing.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

:badass

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yulwei on October 14, 2013, 11:13:39 PM

Suicide caucus where art thou

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2013, 12:05:08 AM

Quote from: Yulwei on October 14, 2013, 11:13:39 PM

Suicide caucus where art thou

About to be taken behind the woodshed and horsewhipped.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2013, 12:12:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/4sl1BaI.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 15, 2013, 12:26:09 AM

Was just about to post that.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 15, 2013, 10:43:18 AM

so what's the GOP endgame here, force obama to unleash his full tyranny and use an executive measure to avoid a global financial spaz out??

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 10:50:06 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 14, 2013, 08:09:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2013, 07:59:08 PM

The House is out of time/bullshit, they have to pass this or we default. Boehner will bite the bullet, then tell his caucus he fought until the last minute. Not worried at all, just as I wasn't worried two weeks ago. Boehner always knew this day would come. He held out to protest his Speakership, and in hopes that maybe Obama would unilaterally cave.

Quote

This is a huge win for those Republicans who got into the shutdown to help unions. For those who had other goals, it's basically a total surrender.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/10/senators-near-deal-on-gop-surrender.html
:heh

We'll see.

Well, well, well.  Never forget that you have the political instincts of... well I'm not really certain, but you're really wrong really often.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-republicans-poised-to-spurn-senate-debt-deal

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 15, 2013, 10:52:46 AM

Boehner isn't even whipping that vote, it's being sent to die so he can tell tea partiers he was left with no choice but the Senate deal.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 11:12:36 AM

Exactly. This is just like the fiscal cliff, where Boehner's failed "plan B" led to him passing the senate bill. And even if this passes I still don't see corporate lapdog Boehner blowing up the world economy.

Can't link now but Ted Cruz met with 20 tea party congressmen this morning. Boehner's plan is already getting mixed views in the house GOP.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 11:25:40 AM

Costa says they sang "Amazing Grace" this morning and are unified behind rejecting the Senate plan and going forward with this one.

Like I said, we'll see.  I don't think Boehner has it in him to throw the ring into the volcano.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2013, 11:53:12 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 15, 2013, 11:25:40 AM

Costa says they sang "Amazing Grace" this morning and are unified behind rejecting the Senate plan and going forward with this one.

Jesus, take the wheel.  :lawd

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2013, 11:56:57 AM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/10/12/fox-regular-jonathan-hoenig-buying-american-is/196424

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BOLLING: So let's talk about this Jonathan. You're a free marketeer guy. Now Walmart says, we're going to focus on buying made in the USA, so companies make stuff overseas, they would rather buy from them if they open a plant in America. Are you okay with that?

HOENIG: I'm actually against that Eric. I think this whole notion of buy American is actually un-American. American companies should buy the lowest quality product... excuse me, the lowest price product at the highest possible quality. If they happen to be made overseas, that's even better. It allows Americans to save money and those resources to be more deployed, and more profitable in productive ways.

:comeon Communist sympathizers

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 12:22:32 PM

House Conservatives are now trying to add contraceptive language to bill; they're also upset at funding levels apparently. They don't like Boehner's bill...

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 15, 2013, 12:23:32 PM

Final hail mary so they can say they tried to negotiate for all these things.  Bullet points really, nothing more....


.... I hope

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 15, 2013, 12:30:07 PM

come close child, everything's getting dark.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 12:34:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 12:22:32 PM

House Conservatives are now trying to add contraceptive language to bill; they're also upset at funding levels apparently. They don't like Boehner's bill...

Yeah, these sound like the actions of people seriously ready to let Boehner bring the Senate bill to the floor.

http://youtu.be/LbuQ6APGYnQ

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 12:37:22 PM

Quote from: Dave Weigel

Having spent two hours talking to House Republicans, my expert investment advice is: Short everything

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 15, 2013, 12:39:27 PM

Yeah, last week I told myself "there's no way they'd let us default" but now I realize they don't believe default will happen, so they can do whatever they want. Wheeeeee get ready for Th3 Gr3at D3pression

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 12:54:26 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 15, 2013, 12:39:27 PM

Yeah, last week I told myself "there's no way they'd let us default" but now I realize they don't believe default will happen, so they can do whatever they want. Wheeeeee get ready for Th3 Gr3at D3pression

Yeah, turns out electing functional distinguished mentally-challenged fellows to govern you is a bad idea, no matter how many electrolytes they've got, Scro.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2013, 12:57:01 PM

Get ready for DEFAULTGHAZI!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 15, 2013, 01:00:20 PM

I am prepared to re-open bidding for space on my futon and/or couch.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

not that Americuh isn't going to drag Canuckistan down the drain with it in its death throes :-/

[close]

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 15, 2013, 01:06:17 PM

phoenix dark is my barometer. despite all the fun, i've held on to the notion that this is a man made problem which will find itself a man made solution. once PD starts to finger his collar, i'm off to the bank with a wheelbarrow.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2013, 01:07:48 PM

Quote from: headwalk on October 15, 2013, 01:06:17 PM

i'm off to the bank with a wheelbarrow.

In 48 hours, about the only thing that paper will be good for is wiping your bum.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 01:10:18 PM

It's worth noting that if the House bill passes, Reid can simply remove the offending parts, pass it in the senate, and send it back. The budget numbers are the same in both bills. Reid could even backstab the senate GOP if he wanted, by not adding any concessions they've discussed.

Pass the bill, send it back to the house, and skip town.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 15, 2013, 01:11:35 PM

How soon after the default can I stop paying my mortgage and other bills? When do the riots start? I'm thinking dispensaries and liquor stores.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2013, 01:16:46 PM

I can't believe you people take this charade so seriously. It's all pro wrestling.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 15, 2013, 01:18:07 PM

Yeah, no way we're defaulting.  Also, no way the 17th is the actual default date.  The Treasury would play their hand like that.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2013, 01:21:07 PM

But pro wrestling is fake. Are you insinuating that it's just a show to fund raise and sell commercials for 24 hour "news" orgs?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 01:21:43 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 15, 2013, 01:18:07 PM

Yeah, no way we're defaulting.  Also, no way the 17th is the actual default date.  The Treasury would play their hand like that.

It would begin the process, ie the markets would collapse. The first interest payments due are later this month, which would technically be the crash date. Social security payments on October 26th I think.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2013, 01:26:18 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 15, 2013, 01:21:07 PM

But pro wrestling is fake. Are you insinuating that it's just a show to fund raise and sell commercials for 24 hour "news" orgs?

Nah, more like a show for their constituents. They haven't really done shit, so they have to do this to justify their paycheck(s).  A way to grab headlines for a few weeks and get their talking points on front pages. A final full-throated scream that they are against Obamacare to sear into American memories.

We will see a similar charade at the end of the year before recess. There will be some new ginned up 'crisis' and they will get to dominate the headlines for a few weeks, then they will kiss and makeup and return home.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 01:59:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 01:10:18 PM

It's worth noting that if the House bill passes, Reid can simply remove the offending parts, pass it in the senate, and send it back. The budget numbers are the same in both bills. Reid could even backstab the senate GOP if he wanted, by not adding any concessions they've discussed.

Pass the bill, send it back to the house, and skip town.

Someone is already ahead of you, and it ain't Harry Reid

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-house-gop-considers-passing-bill-then-leaving-town

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 02:03:33 PM

A few House members leaving doesn't equal Boehner closing the House. Not buying that. If I had to bet, this is leadership trying to get the bill passed without contraception and other shit being tacked on.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2013, 02:32:42 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2013, 01:26:18 PM

We will see a similar charade at the end of the year before recess. There will be some new ginned up 'crisis' and they will get to dominate the headlines for a few weeks, then they will kiss and makeup and return home.

#Charadeghazi fits on so many levels  :whew

(http://i.minus.com/ibzIvMuEdPFGD2.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 15, 2013, 02:49:33 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2013, 01:16:46 PM

I can't believe you people take this charade so seriously. It's all pro wrestling.

You say that, but the sequester actually hit and the government has shut down.  So these crises aren't all based on some secret agreement from all sides to create the illusion of conflict.

I still don't think we're going to default, but "it's all a show" is a bit Alex Jones-y for my tastes.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 02:53:06 PM

Dow is starting to tumble..

I buy the idea that Boehner is putting on a show, to help save his job. But the people who want to default are very serious, and aren't playing a game.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2013, 03:03:49 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 15, 2013, 02:49:33 PM

You say that, but the sequester actually hit and the government has shut down.  So these crises aren't all based on some secret agreement from all sides to create the illusion of conflict.

I still don't think we're going to default, but "it's all a show" is a bit Alex Jones-y for my tastes.

Here's a list of the actual impacts of the sequester:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/politics/sequestration-federal-agency-impact/

So minimal, it's laughable.


When I say 'it's a show', it's not to imply that it's an orchestrated charade. It's a collection of people in the house that realize they have nothing really to show for the past 2-3 years of service and will need something to justify their existence, even though they know the outcome is going to be failure. That's 'the show' and we all have to play along like it's real.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 03:04:31 PM

If push comes to shove and the options were defaulting and keeping his Speakership or passing the Senate bill and losing his Speakership, which do you think Boehner is going to go for?  I don't know if I want him in the position to make that decision, honestly.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 03:09:11 PM

Quote

@robertcostaNRO 1m

BREAKING: medical device delay is now out of House's bill, per two sources close to talks

Quote

@robertcostaNRO 5m

One reason why med device fell from package: populist right doesn't like it, complained they couldn't sell it as O'care win to base

lol. So they're focusing on Vitter amendment (no subsidies for government aides) trying to get to 218.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 15, 2013, 03:17:24 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 15, 2013, 03:04:31 PM

If push comes to shove and the options were defaulting and keeping his Speakership or passing the Senate bill and losing his Speakership, which do you think Boehner is going to go for?  I don't know if I want him in the position to make that decision, honestly.

In the end, Boehner is still on Team Plutocracy. He will do what is best for the economy.

His Speakership is just another bulletpoint on his resume for his next REAL job as a lobbyist.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 03:25:59 PM

Maybe so.  HOPEFULLY so. 

In the meantime, this is why we can't have nice things:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-huge-majority-of-tea-partiers-think-debt-limit-is-no-big-deal

Sure would be nice to just put some fucking cyanide in their tea.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2013, 03:28:49 PM

How can house R's ask to do away with subsidies for congress and aides if they are exempt?  :teehee

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 03:34:03 PM

Quote

@sahilkapur:Lindsey Graham says Rs overplayed their hand and now Dems should "for the good of the country, kinda give a little."

lol

Quote

@ajamlive 4m

Reid spokesman: Senate deal will re-emerge after House fails-

Guys. They still don't have the votes. On October 15th in the afternoon. Boehner is trying to craft something the White House will sign (spoiler: they won't sign it), but that the tea party can support. And it's not working, despite them knowing this is the last shot. Boehner has no power, folks.

He's either going to be forced to pass some fantasy bill that has no chance of passing, or put his own bill on the floor and watch it fail due to not being conservative enough. Then the senate will swoop in.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 15, 2013, 03:36:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 03:34:03 PM

Quote

@sahilkapur:Lindsey Graham says Rs overplayed their hand and now Dems should "for the good of the country, kinda give a little."

lol

Because they'd totally do the same thing if the roles were reversed. Right?

:lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 15, 2013, 03:47:54 PM

"Look, we promised the teabillies we'd fuck you in the ass, so, just the tip for like five seconds, ok?"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 15, 2013, 03:51:23 PM

This shit better get sorted out, I was planning on taking a loan on my 401k in early November. Hopefully the global nature of my companies stock will help it hold decently..

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 03:53:24 PM

Quote

@JakeSherman 14m

HOUSE Rs have ALSO dropped income verification from their bill. So medical device tax repeal out, so is income verification. CR till dec 15

Only Vitter amendment remains. Hilarious. 

All Reid has to do is strip that one amendment, unless Boehner adds other stuff.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2013, 04:43:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQlvnuAnXo

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 15, 2013, 05:36:03 PM

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/15/palin-defaulting-on-our-national-debt-is-an-impeachable-offense/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/15/palin-defaulting-on-our-national-debt-is-an-impeachable-offense/)

Sarah Palin just wants us to know there's very options in this where Obama shouldn't be impeached.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 05:50:57 PM

Quote

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 3m Pressure mounts on conservatives to vote nay RT @Heritage_Action Key Vote: “NO” on House Spending and Debt Deal

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@daveweigel 2m
Heritage Action wins again! RT @Bencjacobs: Rules Committee hearing now being postponed indefinitely

Quote

Robert Costa ‏@robertcostaNRO 50s
Member emails: "I don't think vote is happening tonight"

He still doesn't have the votes, ladies and gentlemen. Wow.  :lol

Fiscal cliff redux. He's going to call Pelosi sooner rather than later.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 15, 2013, 06:06:16 PM

Quote

Sarah Palin just wants us to know there's very options in this where Obama shouldn't be impeached.

An amazing insight into the mind of one of the worlds truly awful people

Scaremongering the people with the supposed affects of a default?! jesus - find me one NAMED economist that is saying "naaa, this will be fine" - I mean, I see lots of "my friend who is a debt expert" or "a source says that" in right leaning articles but NO NAMES, which is weird because I can find just about ANYONE of any merit saying "this is going to be a disaster for the global markets if we default" - but hey... Sarah Palin knows how to run the books and accounts of her small house and when Sarah Palin doesn't pay the electricity people don't cut her off - they know she's good for the money later (or some other stupid analogy that doesn't work)

And what wit! If the GOP force a default, then Obama should be impeached - if he moves unilaterally to avoid the ruin of the USA - he should be impeached. Infact the only way he can't be impeached is by giving in to the GOP. So that's the staple going forward : Dem presidents should be impeached for not doing what the GOP says? brilliant.

Obama - go on - move unilaterally and then tell them "go on then, impeach me - let's see it"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 15, 2013, 07:45:53 PM

I think the reactions of the markets in the next two days should sway the vote, but who knows.  A unilateral move by the president is looking slightly more likely.  (Fun fact, since I pay my suppliers in euros I'd be pretty quickly fucked if this goes south.)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 07:49:58 PM

Quote

@robertcostaNRO 2m

"Boss heard Boehner will bring [Senate deal] to the floor... House action probably over." --House GOP aide, via e-mail.

Boom

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 15, 2013, 08:14:05 PM

Why the fuck did he even try?  All day it's just been Boehner looking like a fucking idiot.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 15, 2013, 08:31:20 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 15, 2013, 05:36:03 PM

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/15/palin-defaulting-on-our-national-debt-is-an-impeachable-offense/ (http://washington.cbslocal.com/2013/10/15/palin-defaulting-on-our-national-debt-is-an-impeachable-offense/)

Sarah Palin just wants us to know there's very options in this where Obama shouldn't be impeached.

the comments are de-fucking-ranged

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 08:43:58 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 15, 2013, 08:14:05 PM

Why the fuck did he even try?  All day it's just been Boehner looking like a fucking idiot.

By the end, he had nixed the medical device tax and even the "increased" subsidy regulations; the only Obamacare related item left was the Vitter amendment. So in the end, his final hand was to leave Obamacare alone, but only fuck Congressional staff members. It's insane.

What does he gain from this? I figured he could go to the last minute and say "guys, we fought the good fight but it's time to move on." This has ended so bitterly today that he can't even say that. Senate republicans were holding out today, just waiting to see what he could pass. Boehner couldn't even deliver the smallest of olive branches  :lol

being hung out to dry:

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"Given tonight's events, the Leaders have decided to work toward a solution that  would reopen the government and prevent default," said Don Stewart, a spokesman for McConnell. "They are optimistic an agreement can be reached."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reid-mcconnell-restart-talks-as-house-gop-flames-out

ouch

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 15, 2013, 08:48:08 PM

Good lord - the comments are insane.

and - oh god - articles on "no, failure to raise debt limit does not mean default" err... yes, as long as Obama pays out of reserve/rearranges payme... OH WAIT that's an impeachable act according to Republicans.

Seriously - why doesn't Obama just barter with Impeachment? It's what the GOP want and it'll be a chance to show, on a global stage, just how stupid some of the Bagger values they hold are.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 15, 2013, 08:48:08 PM

So it's looking like Boehner will fold in the next 24 hours and the Tea Party will end up with basically nothing?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2013, 09:03:19 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on October 15, 2013, 08:48:08 PM

So it's looking like Boehner will fold in the next 24 hours and the Tea Party will end up with basically nothing?

Yep:

(http://i.imgur.com/OX6fLod.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2013, 09:04:01 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on October 15, 2013, 08:48:08 PM

So it's looking like Boehner will fold in the next 24 hours and the Tea Party will end up with basically nothing?

There's still time for Cruz to throw his body on the gears of the machine and make it stop.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2013, 10:04:02 PM

Quote

Brian Beutler ‏@brianbeutler 1m
Senate Dem source says Boehner will send over a "clean message" tomorrow, will speed up process should anyone object to a time agreement.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2013, 10:17:35 PM

Send SEAL Team Six to Boehner's house, just on a lark. See how he likes brinksmanship.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 16, 2013, 01:42:59 AM

true story bros, in the Boenher travels with a larger secret service contingent then Pelosi does.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 01:47:59 AM

Because he's second in the line of succession.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 16, 2013, 01:49:15 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 01:47:59 AM

Because he's second in the line of succession.

THAT'S horrifying.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 08:23:36 AM

He could be our first Orange-American president.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 08:57:41 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wall-street-journal-to-gop-it-s-time-to-wrap-up-this-comedy-of-political-errors

"This is the quality of thinking—or lack thereof—that has afflicted many GOP conservatives from the beginning of this budget showdown," the editorial read. "They picked a goal they couldn't achieve in trying to defund ObamaCare from one House of Congress, and then they picked a means they couldn't sustain politically by pursuing a long government shutdown and threatening to blow through the debt limit."

The Journal said that if the Senate passes its compromise to avert default and reopen the government, House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) will likely have no choice "other than to bring it to the floor and let it pass with votes from either party."

"At least that's better than getting the blame for whatever happens if Treasury stops sending out Social Security checks in order to prioritize debt repayments," the editorial read. "The politics of that are little better than defaulting on debt. Republicans can best help their cause now by getting this over with and moving on to fight more intelligently another day."

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 16, 2013, 09:17:25 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/iWe4shz.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 01:30:38 PM

Tea Party Violence:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJqmStnPvEw

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: nudemacusers on October 16, 2013, 02:10:02 PM

well it's good they put all this effort into getting...

...


...?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2013, 02:14:37 PM

Like most of these theatrical displays ...  it's about affecting public perceptions than actually exacting some kind of change. They want the public to know they hate Obamacare and all that rot. They also know that people don't pay attention to politics, so they want to make this 'grand stand' to deliver the message to every American.

So, when shit hits the fan with another recession (which should happen again in the next 3-5 years), they can use Obamacare as a wedge to gain political leverage.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 02:19:41 PM

The Tea Party has already pretty much tapped the Obamacare well dry. It worked in 2010, didn't work so well in 2012, probably won't do much for them in 2014, and could possibly end up hurting them in 2016.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 02:28:34 PM

So republicans purposely collapsed their party support by 20-40% to make a political point to the public, who already know they oppose Obamacare? I'm gonna disagree on that bro. I think they did this because they thought Obama would cave, and they thought the people would support them. Meanwhile Boehner and leadership knew it wouldn't work, but had little choice but to appease the crazy folks for a bit. At one point it seemed like they just might get some concessions, but that NBC/WSJ poll pretty much ended the farce.

Moreover, I think those tea party members in gerrymandered districts genuinely don't give a shit about national views that don't line up with their district. Remember in Game Change when Palin kept obsessing over her poll numbers in Alaska, a solid red state, and demanded the McCain camp run polls in Wasilla? That's basically what's going on here. If you're a congressman in lily white Howell, Michigan, you don't give a shit what people in Detroit think of you, or what people in the rest of the country think either. Your focus is on opposing Obama, fucking over people in Detroit whenever possible, and voting a million times to repeal a bill that can't be repealed. That's why these people were sent to congress.

Democrats are currently leading the congressional generic ballots by 8 to 10 points; that's election wave territory. Obviously that will not hold through next year, but republicans just took a completely unnecessary loss and achieved absolutely nothing but making themselves look insane. Only 25% of seniors support their actions right now.

Basically if Obamacare turns out decent and the economy continues to slowly recover, dems will do fine next year. If Obamacare fails and the economy stalls, democrats will do poorly. I think many people believed republicans were crazy before the shutdown, so I'm not convinced it alone will lead to any gains. But it sure as hell doesn't help republicans.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2013, 02:40:06 PM

Those polls don't mean shit. Talk to me in 6 or 9 months and see where those polls are at.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 02:43:42 PM

I agree with you for the most part, and made a similar argument last week. The problem is that the GOP brand was already decaying amongst independents, and all this does is reinforce that process.

I'd bet money that the generic ballot won't be D+8 in July of next year, and that dems will only gain a net of like 5-6 seats. But republicans are fucking themselves in the long term. And when Hillary or whoever trounces them in 2016 perhaps then they'll realize they wasted a decade being crazy and didn't get anything out of it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 02:59:55 PM

I'm just glad we took that time to clarify where the Tea Party stands on Obamacare.  Some things are worth a little clarity.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 03:01:09 PM

To be clear they don't like it

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2013, 03:09:58 PM

Well then they should have said something!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 16, 2013, 03:28:19 PM

Historically, the Republicans have been the 'against party'. Since FDR they have defined themselves by what they are not for (sprinkled in-between nationalistic sentiments and family values).

Obamacare is just another pivotal law they can use to splinter more voters from the center and win elections.

It's a big country out there. Millions of people are politically apathetic for much of their lives until real life circumstances get worse and then they get the motivation to vote. Those are the future voters that Republicans are trying to reach.   

 

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 04:55:13 PM

I think the more important issue to emerge out of all this is the fracture between corporate Republicans and the Tea Party ideologues, which was on full display yesterday when Boehner's last ditch effort to save even the smallest bit of face couldn't manage to get enough of his caucus on board to go anywhere. No way does the Tea Party relent after all this, they're just going to push even harder next time [which probably isn't that far away, unfortunately]. I think that's where the bigger damage to the GOP brand originates from. Democrats, on the other hand, remained almost entirely united throughout.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 04:58:46 PM

But does Boehner have a reason to appease them now? I can't imagine Boehner letting this fight continue in January or Febuary, with the next CR/DL deadlines. He has no clout now, everyone knows he was bluffing, and this nonsense severely hurt his party. I just don't see him playing around again.

Once you prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that you're unwilling to hurt a hostage...how do you kidnap him again and demand shit? You lost.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 05:05:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 04:58:46 PM

Once you prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that you're unwilling to hurt a hostage...how do you kidnap him again and demand shit? You lost.

Well, see, according to the TRUE PATRIOTS in the House, they didn't lose because the strategy was bad, they lost because party leaders sold them out and/or the media didn't properly explain their position [among other reasons unrelated to their strategy being moronic]. I fully expect the Tea Party Gang of 80 to continue making noise and causing trouble until they get their way or they're booted out of Congress entirely.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 05:21:01 PM

It's already started.  The moderates sold them out is the official line.  Someone even said the seante opposed the will of the people :heh

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 05:21:17 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2013, 12:05:08 AM

Quote from: Yulwei on October 14, 2013, 11:13:39 PM

Suicide caucus where art thou

About to be taken behind the woodshed and horsewhipped.

Told you guys.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 05:48:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 05:21:01 PM

It's already started.  The moderates sold them out is the official line.  Someone even said the seante opposed the will of the people :heh

Ted Cruz receives direct communications from the Will of the People through the cheap Canadian fillings in his teeth.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 16, 2013, 05:52:56 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 16, 2013, 05:50:17 PM

So much salt, holy shit  :lol

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/dam/assets/120101064846-alex-castellanos-left-tease.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 05:53:45 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 16, 2013, 05:50:17 PM

So much salt, holy shit  :lol

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)

Democrats aren't afraid of getting primaried from their left because they're as far left as you can possibly get. Yeah, okay Dr. Phil. :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 16, 2013, 05:59:53 PM

So I guess the lesson here is that threatening to cause a second Great Depression in order to prevent poor people from getting health care wasn't the slam dunk that the Republicans thought it would be.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 06:00:37 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 16, 2013, 05:50:17 PM

So much salt, holy shit  :lol

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)

(http://i.imgur.com/LKW7kFv.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2013, 06:14:43 PM

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10152486779971677&id=359134596676

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OBAMA EMERGES FROM THE CAPITOL HOLDING THE SCEPTER OF DEMOCRACY AND THE SEVERED HEAD OF JOHN BOEHNER. HE DOES NOT GLOAT; HE DOES NOT NEED TO. THE CITIZENS KNEEL AS HE TOSSES THE NECK STUMP INTO A WHIRRING PORTAL. "BRING ME RAFALCA," HE BELLOWS. "TONIGHT WE EAT RAFALCA."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 06:21:12 PM

(http://www.thebore.com/forum/Themes/default/images/post/thumbup.gif) Like

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 06:22:06 PM

Ted Cruz has certainly set himself up for an embarrassing Bachmann/Santorum/Palin style presidential flameout and then career as a  crazy eyed media commentator.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 06:26:35 PM

Cruz is rather smart though, he'll be back. He has the entire tea party rallied behind him, unlike Santorum/Bachman/Cain/etc.

But given his insulting behavior, including shit like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmsfvMlxjrQ

...I have a feeling establishment types are going to torpedo the shit out of him. Josh Marshall at TPM noted that his wife went to college with Cruz, and he would casually walk through the Harvard dorm areas in just a bathrobe to annoy female students. Anyone who does shit like that probably has some...interesting things in his past.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 16, 2013, 06:28:26 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 16, 2013, 05:50:17 PM

So much salt, holy shit  :lol

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2013/10/14/boehner-vs-gingrich/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 16, 2013, 06:41:54 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 16, 2013, 05:59:53 PM

So I guess the lesson here is that threatening to cause a second Great Depression in order to prevent poor people from getting health care wasn't the slam dunk that the Republicans thought it would be.

A few years from now I could understand because the TP might want to split voters in the presidential primaries. But the people who vote in midterms are older and probably can't stand the party being this petty and useless.

The Tea Party did come into office in 2010 but that was because people thought they would make a difference.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 07:00:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 06:26:35 PM

Cruz is rather smart though, he'll be back. He has the entire tea party rallied behind him, unlike Santorum/Bachman/Cain/etc.

But given his insulting behavior, including shit like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmsfvMlxjrQ

Ted Cruz has a very punchable face.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 07:05:49 PM

More than Cantor though?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 07:07:28 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 07:05:49 PM

More than Cantor though?

That's why God gave us two fists.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 16, 2013, 07:08:40 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 16, 2013, 05:50:17 PM

So much salt, holy shit  :lol

http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2 (http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/15/opinion/castellanos-extreme-party/index.html?hpt=hp_c2)

why is the 12 year old who wrote this using that old guys photo?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 07:19:45 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3LplEjzQZU

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 07:38:50 PM

Senate taking the vote.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 08:12:25 PM

81-18

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 16, 2013, 08:16:58 PM

In the immortal words of Trick Daddy, take it to da house

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 08:37:09 PM

It's Boner time!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2013, 08:37:23 PM

Quote from: Spencer on October 16, 2013, 08:16:58 PM

In the immortal words of Trick Daddy, take it to da house

Other Trick Daddy songs come to mind as well

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqSS_3DSZO8

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 08:41:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 08:37:09 PM

It's Boner time!

(http://i.imgur.com/zEFZQvG.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 16, 2013, 08:42:54 PM

Sarah Palin marches group of Vets to a shut down war memorial
and then....
Calls out politicians who would use Vets as pawns in a political game


err....

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 09:01:44 PM

Quote

@LukeRussert 6m

#GOP aide tells me Obama's victory speech might delay procedural motion to get bill to House flr, some members POed. It'll still pass

:lol

I haven't seen the speech, but twitter makes it sound pretty damn innocuous. Chuck Todd says:

Quote

@chucktodd 1m

House GOPers not happy POTUS didn't wait to speak until after they voted. They consider it a "respect" issue.

lmao. When will people admit that they just hate his guts, so we can move beyond being shocked at shit like this. Apparently CNN is hand wringing over Obama spiking the football

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 16, 2013, 09:13:46 PM

 ::) :lol they'll try anything to try to make the story about the White House not handling their fit well.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 09:20:18 PM

Boehner; great speaker or greatest speaker? :bow2

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-rep-to-jake-tapper-john-boehner-100-stronger-after-this-is-all-over/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 09:46:15 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mccain-responds-to-gohmert-attacking-him-its-not-malice-if-someone-has-no-intelligence/

McCain with that ether :rejoice

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 16, 2013, 09:55:25 PM

Just watched Obama's speech, really nothing disrespectful about it at all. Pretty funny moment when he was walking away clearly not going to answer questions but someone in the press says "is this going to happen again in a few months" he stops, turns, says No and walks on :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 10:24:04 PM

285-144.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 10:27:56 PM

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/16/todd-starnes-american-taxpayers-betrayed-chicken-hearted-rinos

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 10:30:58 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 10:24:04 PM

285-144.

Nearly 90 republicans voted for this. Could have voted for it TWO WEEKS AGO if not for Boehner being more worried about his job.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 10:36:22 PM

https://soundcloud.com/toddzwillich-1/floor1-101612-wav

That's the official House stenographer. :rofl

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 10:45:42 PM

http://wfpl.org/post/mcconnell-reid-deal-includes-3-billion-earmark-kentucky-project

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Language in a draft of the McConnell-Reid deal (see page 13, section 123) provided to WFPL News shows a provision that increases funding for the massive Olmsted Dam Lock in Paducah, Ky., from $775 million to nearly $2.9 billion.
...
Asked about the additional funding in the proposal, McConnell spokesman Robert Steurer directed all questions to lawmakers who worked on the bill directly.

"Senators (Diane) Feinstein and (Lamar) Alexander, the chair and ranking member of the energy and water subcommittee, worked on the issue and can help you," he says.

Since 2009, McConnell has been an outspoken supporter of the project, and has been working on getting its funding for some time.

Hey, whatever happened to Porkbusters?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 10:49:24 PM

Anything that helps McConnell potentially lose to his tea party challenger is fine with me :bow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BHcRdMxG6o
:rejoice

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2013, 10:53:24 PM

Quote

redarrowhead2 5 days ago
She's just another childless democratic bitch.

BOOM, annihilated.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: nudemacusers on October 16, 2013, 10:59:49 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 10:27:56 PM

http://nation.foxnews.com/2013/10/16/todd-starnes-american-taxpayers-betrayed-chicken-hearted-rinos

A two week vacation courtesy of taxpayers. Incredible spin.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 16, 2013, 11:14:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 09:46:15 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mccain-responds-to-gohmert-attacking-him-its-not-malice-if-someone-has-no-intelligence/

McCain with that ether :rejoice

John's been on fire lately. 'I'd be offended if you weren't such a fucking idiot.'  :gladbron

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on October 16, 2013, 11:23:26 PM

relatively obscure conservative radio host....

(http://i.imgur.com/Z6LGcaB.png?1)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Scott_Tenorman_tears_South_Park.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2013, 11:28:39 PM

the GAF thread introduced me to something I wish I didn't know existed

(http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b90/thegeeknight/obamachaosemerald_zps08f6d9e8.jpg)
(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/438/685/2e1.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2013, 11:29:54 PM

I don't even.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2013, 11:33:14 PM

. . .

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2013, 11:36:06 PM

:piss Sega fans :piss2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2013, 11:38:47 PM

Glad this whole thing happened and glad those bastards got nothing but public scorn. I try to be balanced in my perspective but this whole thing was one of the more blatant and disgusting power grabs of my lifetime. It genuinely pissed me the fuck off.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 17, 2013, 12:00:42 AM

yeah, but you all had an argument about politics on facebook.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 17, 2013, 12:00:59 AM

i troll'd him, howdy

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 17, 2013, 12:15:21 AM

Yeah, wasn't my friend.  The only conservative/libertarianish friends I have left on the ol' faceplace are of the meek, silently vote their preference and ignore my crazy ass shit variety, because the other types just can't deal with me.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2013, 09:07:59 AM

What did I tell you guys yesterday? This is only the beginning:

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"I'm more upset with my Republican conference, to be honest with you. It's been Republicans here who apparently always want to fight, but they want to fight the next fight, that have given Speaker Boehner the inability to be successful in this fight," Rep. Raul Labrador (R-ID) told reporters Wednesday. "So if anybody should be kicked out, it's probably those Republicans... who are unwilling to keep the promises they made to the American people. Those are the people who should be looking behind their back."

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"I think we're going to see a drumbeat out there that our spineless leaders caved," Norm Ornstein, resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, told TPM. "If we had held on, we would of defaulted, but it wouldn't have made any difference. Obama would have caved, and we would have gotten what we wanted."

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"We've been talking amongst this group for the last four weeks about fairness. ... That is a winning argument for us," Rep. Mick Mulvaney (R-SC) told reporters. "Somebody asked whether it would be different next time, in January or February, whenever we take this up again. The natural inclination is to say 'No, it will be exactly the same. But if we can figure out a way to drive that message home, that this is about fairness ... then the outcome may well be different."

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"The party itself was very, very divided during the midst of this," Salmon said. "I think that if we were a lot more unified and carrying one message we would have been a lot more successful."

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TPM asked Rep. Peter King (R-NY), one of the more outspoken critics of the shutdown, if conservatives have learned their lesson. He paused, then laughed, then said: "Uh, I don't know. Hope springs eternal. I don't know."

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“I’ll vote against it,” Fleming said, as quoted by the New York Times. “But that will get us into Round 2. See, we’re going to start this all over again.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/lesson-learned-here-s-what-conservatives-are-taking-away-from-the-shutdown

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 17, 2013, 10:44:34 AM

If only we clap harder, faeries will be REAL!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 17, 2013, 11:16:57 AM

I had a conversation tonight where Cruz was mentioned as a future United States president...

i wouldn't let him look after a cat, let alone a world super power.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 17, 2013, 11:23:13 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 17, 2013, 12:15:21 AM

Yeah, wasn't my friend.  The only conservative/libertarianish friends I have left on the ol' faceplace are of the meek, silently vote their preference and ignore my crazy ass shit variety, because the other types just can't deal with me.

It was my friend.  Outside of politics he's about the nicest guy in the world.  Plus he's served like 5 tours in Afghanistan and been through some pretty gnarly shit so I give him a pass.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 17, 2013, 11:33:58 AM

And the dude got dental training from the military, so in like 2 years he's going to be making more than most people here courtesy of the US government :american

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: nudemacusers on October 17, 2013, 11:36:40 AM

I can't believe my tax paying dollars are going to help someone better themselves. How do I stop this.  :maf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 17, 2013, 11:39:09 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 17, 2013, 11:23:13 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on October 17, 2013, 12:15:21 AM

Yeah, wasn't my friend.  The only conservative/libertarianish friends I have left on the ol' faceplace are of the meek, silently vote their preference and ignore my crazy ass shit variety, because the other types just can't deal with me.

It was my friend.  Outside of politics he's about the nicest guy in the world.  Plus he's served like 5 tours in Afghanistan and been through some pretty gnarly shit so I give him a pass.

Fair enough, I have a couple friends that have been through multiple tours as well, and I generally tend to not try to ruffle their feathers unnecessarily, as I know for a fact that's something I could never in a million years do once, much less multiple times.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 17, 2013, 11:42:22 AM

Oh no, he likes to argue so I generally bait him (and other friends do as well) but it just doesn't carry over into our other interactions.  the only person I no longer argue with is the libertarian who believes in no government spending except to pour whatever resources we can into Israel/war with Israel's enemies.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2013, 11:43:28 AM

I try to avoid extended political fights on other people's walls. I've been pulled in a couple times, once by a birther. I'd hate to clutter someone's wall, can't help but think they would think I'm being rude. 

Thankfully now I only use Facebook to poke and/or trade dick pix with White Man :rock

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: nudemacusers on October 17, 2013, 11:44:23 AM

Uh, how do I get in on this Facebook dickpics ring? :-[

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2013, 02:36:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 17, 2013, 11:42:22 AM

Oh no, he likes to argue so I generally bait him (and other friends do as well) but it just doesn't carry over into our other interactions.  the only person I no longer argue with is the libertarian who believes in no government spending except to pour whatever resources we can into Israel/war with Israel's enemies.

Man, that guy.

That fuckin' guy...

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 17, 2013, 03:06:06 PM

There's a petition floating around I've seen posted on Facebook to charge the House GOP with sedition :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2013, 03:14:28 PM

Quote from: Spencer on October 17, 2013, 03:06:06 PM

There's a petition floating around I've seen posted on Facebook to charge the House GOP with sedition :lol

Was it started by Democrats or Republicans?  :sabu

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 17, 2013, 03:27:16 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2013, 03:14:28 PM

Quote from: Spencer on October 17, 2013, 03:06:06 PM

There's a petition floating around I've seen posted on Facebook to charge the House GOP with sedition :lol

Was it started by Democrats or Republicans?  :sabu

:deadpos

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2013, 03:40:38 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/x8BngeV.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 17, 2013, 04:00:36 PM

I don't believe the House conservatives that say they support Boehner now. They are just being dutiful and sticking with their guy while he is down. He's not a very convincing mouthpiece for what they want to say and they probably blame him (behind closed doors) for not being as vocal/charismatic as they would want.

It's akin to the GM of a sports team saying he supports the coach 100% during a trying time, but he gets the axe a few months later.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2013, 05:26:47 PM

I don't have a facebook account so I won't even imagine what sort of hell it would be to argue with people over it. It's bad enough arguing with idiots in person. Extending that to something like a facebook wall seems like a form of torture.


I will say I think arguing with people is getting more pointless than its ever been because everybody is so deadset in their viewpoint more than at any other time in my life. Oddly I blame it on the rise of so much media which is a double edged sword. It was always a case when you use to argue with people that they were a product of their parents and whatever views they passed on. Which could be bad but at least it seemed like more people were reasonable to a degree. Now when you argue with people you are arguing through a filter of the 24/7 group think media source bubble they wrap themselves up in. I was talking to some 17 year old kid  irl a while back and it was amazing. He was a product of Fox News from the cradle and he was just as you imagine a young person would be who has been totally fed an ideology from the moment he could form a thought. It's only going to get worse. I can't imagine how it will be in 20 years.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2013, 05:58:50 PM

Aren't you like 40? Why were you talking to a 17 year old
 :jawalrus

I refuse to have meaningful conversations with teenagers. For my mental health.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 17, 2013, 10:10:19 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2013, 05:26:47 PM

I don't have a facebook account so I won't even imagine what sort of hell it would be to argue with people over it. It's bad enough arguing with idiots in person. Extending that to something like a facebook wall seems like a form of torture.


I will say I think arguing with people is getting more pointless than its ever been because everybody is so deadset in their viewpoint more than at any other time in my life. Oddly I blame it on the rise of so much media which is a double edged sword. It was always a case when you use to argue with people that they were a product of their parents and whatever views they passed on. Which could be bad but at least it seemed like more people were reasonable to a degree. Now when you argue with people you are arguing through a filter of the 24/7 group think media source bubble they wrap themselves up in. I was talking to some 17 year old kid  irl a while back and it was amazing. He was a product of Fox News from the cradle and he was just as you imagine a young person would be who has been totally fed an ideology from the moment he could form a thought. It's only going to get worse. I can't imagine how it will be in 20 years.

(http://i.imgur.com/PGkau8b.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2013, 10:16:35 PM

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/17/gop_lawmaker_voted_against_debt_deal_because_he_thought_it_funded_joseph_kony/

lol wat

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2013, 10:29:13 PM

Quote

Spoiler: He was wrong!

:rofl

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2013, 09:52:51 AM

http://www.talk2action.org/story/2013/10/16/143336/01/Front_Page/Cruz_Father_Suggests_Ted_Cruz_quot_Anointed_quot_to_Bring_The_Spoils_Of_War_To_The_Priests_

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    So to pull all this logic together, God anoints priests to work in the church directly and kings to go out into the marketplace to conquer, plunder, and bring back the spoils to the church. The reason governmental regulation has to disappear from the marketplace is to make it completely available to the plunder of Christian "kings" who will accomplish the "end time transfer of wealth." Then "God's bankers" will usher in the "coming of the messiah." The government is being shut down so that God's bankers can bring Jesus back.

    And here's the thing. When you get a lot of people together in a megachurch, you can do some pretty impressive things with your mission projects. You can feed thousands of people and host ESL classes and job training programs and medical clinics. And I imagine that seeing your accomplishments could give you the hubris of thinking we don't need a government at all to make our society run; our church can be the new government.

 :paul

Ted Cruz a christian king? :heh

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2013, 10:02:16 AM

Well.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2013, 10:57:41 AM

Medical Mutual of Ohio (the largest/oldest insurer in the state) has successfully signed one person up through the new exchanges.  :lol


Good jon, government program. Way to shake off those stereotypes.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 18, 2013, 11:39:23 AM

Quote

So to pull all this logic together, God anoints priests to work in the church directly and kings to go out into the marketplace to conquer, plunder, and bring back the spoils to the church. The reason governmental regulation has to disappear from the marketplace is to make it completely available to the plunder of Christian "kings" who will accomplish the "end time transfer of wealth." Then "God's bankers" will usher in the "coming of the messiah." The government is being shut down so that God's bankers can bring Jesus back.

    And here's the thing. When you get a lot of people together in a megachurch, you can do some pretty impressive things with your mission projects. You can feed thousands of people and host ESL classes and job training programs and medical clinics. And I imagine that seeing your accomplishments could give you the hubris of thinking we don't need a government at all to make our society run; our church can be the new government.

And there's the case for why we should be taxing Jesus.

Seriously, let's bury religion whilst it's on it's knees - it's a plague on us all and if it gets any power at all it'll abuse it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2013, 12:39:07 PM

Never thought I'd see somebody nuttier than Michele Bachmann, but you learn something new everyday.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2013, 01:19:42 PM

This is much more dangerous than nutty.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2013, 01:47:41 PM

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Anatomy of a shutdown

House Speaker John Boehner just wanted to sneak out of the White House for a smoke.

But President Barack Obama pulled him aside for a grilling. Obama wanted to know why they were in the second day of a government shutdown that the speaker had repeatedly and publicly pledged to avoid.

“John, what happened?” Obama asked, according to people briefed on the Oct. 2 conversation.

“I got overrun, that’s what happened,” Boehner said.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/anatomy-of-a-shutdown-98518.html#ixzz2i64Scl4Y

I'm sure tea partiers will be pleased to hear this

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2013, 03:26:58 PM

Looks like NJ just got a lot more fabulous  :phil

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/nj-court-agrees-sex-marriages-monday-20614323

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 18, 2013, 04:34:13 PM

http://clotureclub.com/tea-party-insult-generator/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2013, 08:59:15 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on October 18, 2013, 04:34:13 PM

http://clotureclub.com/tea-party-insult-generator/

Quote

BENGHAZI-DENYING COMMUNIST.

:lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2013, 11:20:51 PM

Some of you guys should put this up on your Facebooks:

(http://i.imgur.com/k1JdYky.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2013, 12:46:32 AM

Strong>friendly

hence why Pelosi>Boehner

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on October 19, 2013, 12:52:01 AM

her expression kinda reminds me of :hitler

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: headwalk on October 19, 2013, 01:08:43 AM

why isn't it called pelosicare anyway?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2013, 01:36:35 AM

to head off all the Nurse Ratched jokes?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2013, 02:19:03 AM

(http://tinyurl.com/c8ugohk)

she was a pawg :lawd

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2013, 02:28:50 AM

I bet JFK hit that.  :shaq

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2013, 10:31:05 AM

So, you know that committee that got formed as part of the deal that's supposed to come up with recommendations going forward?  It's gonna deadlock, because you have Bernie Sanders on the Senate side, and Paul Ryan on the House side.  NOT. GONNA. HAPPEN.

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/10/18/paul-ryans-worst-nightmare-true-bernie-sanders-budget-committee.html

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 19, 2013, 10:35:29 AM

Shutdown II: Tea Party Bugaboo

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2013, 12:39:21 PM

Another troll move by Reid  :lol :bow

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2013, 06:19:55 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ixRGNPl.png)

 :dead

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2013, 10:46:52 AM

It would have been nice if people had been this concerned about finding the truth during the Bush Jr. administration.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 21, 2013, 10:48:29 AM

Quote from: The Business on October 21, 2013, 10:36:22 AM

SEALTeam6ghazi?

Families suspect SEAL Team 6 crash was inside job on worst day in Afghanistan

Quote

“I want to know why so many U.S. servicemen, especially SEALs, were assembled on one aircraft,” he said. “I want to know why the black box of the helicopter has not been found. I want to know many things.”

http://p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/20/families-suspect-seal-team-6-crash-was-inside-job-/?page=all#pagebreak

Shit, I read the comments. :deadpos

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 21, 2013, 10:54:41 AM

Darrel Issa will get to the bottom of it, I'm sure. If he doesn't find anything, he'll make something up.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2013, 02:19:13 PM

Not only that, they believe Obama sent an Iman to the funeral to damn the buried US soldiers to hell. Seriously.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/09/did-an-imam-really-use-arabic-prayer-to-covertly-damn-fallen-seal-team-6-members-to-hell-during-their-funeral/

At what point does "fear mongering" become straight up incitement.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 21, 2013, 02:22:50 PM

I kinda figured an actual libel suit would be given out at some point in the Obama administration, the terrorist fist jab incident  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/09/fox-anchor-calls-obama-fi_n_106027.html) convinced me of that.
still a few years left on that bet.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2013, 06:04:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2013, 02:19:13 PM

Not only that, they believe Obama sent an Iman to the funeral to damn the buried US soldiers to hell. Seriously.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/09/did-an-imam-really-use-arabic-prayer-to-covertly-damn-fallen-seal-team-6-members-to-hell-during-their-funeral/

At what point does "fear mongering" become straight up incitement.

 ???

(http://www.kortomomolu.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Iman-Makeup-2.bmp)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 21, 2013, 11:22:49 PM

David Bowie couldn't make it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 22, 2013, 12:12:25 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 21, 2013, 11:22:49 PM

David Bowie couldn't make it.

Bowie was busy in San Francisco, judging a walk-off of jillbooted thugs.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2013, 03:53:27 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/wSQOE1p.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2013, 03:58:49 PM

Was that really Coulter? Not enough crazy ass hyperbole. For her, that's extremely level headed.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2013, 04:05:36 PM

It's from her AMA on reddit

At this point I assume everything she says is a troll

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Goldman Sachs was helped out by TARP, which was put into place under Bush Jr. Not that I expect her to bother with things like basic facts.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2013, 05:03:01 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Goldman Sachs was helped out by TARP, which was put into place under Bush Jr. Not that I expect her to bother with things like basic facts.

True, but it still wasn't batshit crazy enough for her.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 22, 2013, 05:19:32 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/gallup-legal-marijuana-is-more-popular-than-almost-anything-else-2013-10

Maybe we'll actually start to see some serious candidates support it nationally!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

wishful thoughts

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2013, 05:28:31 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 22, 2013, 05:03:01 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Goldman Sachs was helped out by TARP, which was put into place under Bush Jr. Not that I expect her to bother with things like basic facts.

True, but it still wasn't batshit crazy enough for her.

Most of the crazy and stupid people on right wing media aren't actually crazy or stupid, they just know that their audience is.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 22, 2013, 05:38:18 PM

lol - Bush letting Lehman go under was absolutely nothing to do with the parties stance on wall street and more to do with utter incompetence.

Congrats on instigating a run on the bank! Bail out 3 other banks, let Lehman go, then rescue AIG the next day because "but people are saying we bail everyone out!" - which, oh, you ended up having to do at a much higher cost -and- you still had that run on the bank because confidence in the financial system was flushed -GLOBALLY- . When Lehman wasn't bailed what do you think investors were doing? #facepalm - how they couldn't see this would happen is completely beyond me and how Ann Coulter can spin this utter failure of leadership as some sort of "hey we aren't Wall streets pall" is absolutely ridiculous and i doubt she even believes it herself.

For further reading : http://www.fdbetancor.com/2012/07/30/the-cost-of-failure/

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Most of the crazy and stupid people on right wing media aren't actually crazy or stupid, they just know that their audience is

yeah, they're just spinmasters - as per above , she's trying to make something positive out of what will be viewed as a huge failing of the Bush administration - and likewise anything Obama does is Satan's work. This extends to fainting women. Sheesh.


Also : "Romney was pretty ideal" sums up these people - NO, you tell me what YOUR ideas are. Stop pointing at what other people thought. It's rare to see these people lay down what they think should happen in each of these vitally important areas.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 22, 2013, 05:52:56 PM

Romney is ideal, but he lost cuz he wasn't conservative enough!  :trash

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2013, 12:23:48 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Goldman Sachs was helped out by TARP, which was put into place under Bush Jr. Not that I expect her to bother with things like basic facts.

Plus, Republicans hate Wall Street so much they do everything they can to deregulate the shit out of it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2013, 12:35:07 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on October 22, 2013, 05:52:56 PM

Romney is ideal, but he lost cuz he wasn't conservative enough!  :trash

Romney was ideal because if they'd nominated a true believer like Rick Santorum and he got a mud hole stomped in him during the general election, then they wouldn't be able to keep telling themselves "We just need to be more conservative!", and fund raise off of that for four more years.

Nah, they probably still would.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2013, 12:36:36 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 23, 2013, 12:23:48 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Goldman Sachs was helped out by TARP, which was put into place under Bush Jr. Not that I expect her to bother with things like basic facts.

Plus, Republicans hate Wall Street so much they do everything they can to deregulate the shit out of it.

"I don't agree with you, but I will fight to the death for your right to be free from government regulation!" :american

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 23, 2013, 08:18:25 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 23, 2013, 12:23:48 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2013, 04:22:48 PM

Goldman Sachs was helped out by TARP, which was put into place under Bush Jr. Not that I expect her to bother with things like basic facts.

Plus, Republicans hate Wall Street so much they do everything they can to deregulate the shit out of it.

Yeah, Coulter, honestly -- I think she is like Rush Limbaugh, in that she knows her audience, caters to it, and says what she needs to sell books. If it ever got out that she's secretly a liberal M2F transsexual, her book sales would be in trouble.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2013, 01:26:54 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eupEkeYOhj4
http://www.lady-patriots.com/proof-obamas-fainting-lady-was-faked-in-3-minutes/

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I don’t watch a lot of television. In fact, I don’t ever watch it. If it doesn’t come on Netflix or an online video I usually skip it. That’s why it took me a little while to watch the video of the President rescuing the damsel in distress in the Rose Garden. It popped up on my news feed on Facebook, and I got curious. As it turned out, it floored me. I couldn’t believe how phony it was. As soon as I watched it I went to youtube to check it out from different directions. It was just as fake from any of them.

For some strange reason, Obama has to have props around him when he does one of his con-jobs in the Rose Garden, or wherever he chooses to receive his worshipers. This was no different, except that he had animated props this time. Although it was well staged there were enough holes in this little scene to drive the proverbial truck through.

It is obvious that there are quite a few people involved in this latest fraud put out by the Whitehouse. Why did Obama think it was necessary to “catch” a fainting woman just when he said the words, “To free families from the pervasive fear that one illness….” And down she went? Well not actually down. She just weaved and wobbled a little and never quite fainted. And, consequently, Obama never actually caught her. He turned around and put his hand on her shoulder as if to steady her and turned back to the camera to make sure it got a clear shot of his “rescue” efforts.

You will see in the following video that the pregnant woman is standing with a friend who is holding her hand with her arm wrapped around her waist. That is until she starts to “faint”. Then she steps slightly aside and never even looks at the women she is holding. She smiles a nervous smile for the camera because she has done her part in this extremely poorly orchestrated drama.

Why would they come up with this transparent attempt to manipulate the low information voters? Who knows? Did it make anyone feel warm and fuzzy for our hero President? Probably. There are a lot of idiots out there. Did it take the focus off the disastrous website? I don’t think so. Whatever the reason was that Obama and his advisers had to dream up this silly scheme it certainly smacks of desperation. If I was him I would fire them all. But, who knows? As stupid as this idea was, it could have been his. Maybe he’ll fire himself.

Another major scandal exposed for the Most. Transparent. Administration. Ever.

Quote from: chronovore on October 23, 2013, 08:18:25 PM

If it ever got out that she's secretly a liberal M2F transsexual, her book sales would be in trouble.

Some guys are into that kind of thing:
(http://i41.tinypic.com/2d2exq1.jpg)
DY-NO-MITE!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2013, 09:31:42 AM

Quote from: The Business on October 24, 2013, 09:17:27 AM

It was a staged fainting so Obama's rescue was fake, on the other hand, she never actually fainted, just wobbled, so Obama didn't save a fainting woman anyway.

Definitely, a missed opportunity there. She should have thrown her hand up to her forehead and then fallen directly into Obama's arms. Then Obama turns to the camera "See? Obama cares."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 24, 2013, 09:57:29 AM

Wait, Obama caught a fainting lady?  How did I miss this? 

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 24, 2013, 09:59:05 AM

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Some guys are into that kind of thing

it's hardly controversial - the blonde guy on the left is into black guys... what's the big deal?

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It was a staged fainting so Obama's rescue was fake,

a better hoax would be to get a REAL terrorist mastermind to attack the US and then somehow his killing X years later be devalued totally because QUESTIONS! QUESTIONS! QUESTIONS! from the GOP.



I have to ask this because it still makes me WTF every time i think of it : closed nontendered contracts to one company where the vice president at the time was a previous board member, and then that company was sited for overcharging massively.... Cheney is not rotting in a prison becauuuuuse? I mean - you replace that with LIBRULS names and show that to the GOP base and that is TREASONIMPEACHMENTBENGAZITON

I just think in the UK that any connection that was THAT OPENLY BLATANT regarding a scheme that actively takes tax $ and sticks them in the back pocket of the vice presidents best friends would cause a huge ruckus....

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2013, 10:14:47 AM

At Obama's next press conference, he's staged for the 2nd in command of Al-Qaeda to jump out and pull a gun, but at the last second a drone swoops in and kills him. Must credit AMERICAN PATRIOT TEA PARTY MEMBERS FOR THE FREEDOM OF THE LIBERTY OF AMERICA AGAINST BENGHAZI TRAITORS for this story.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 24, 2013, 10:23:55 AM

But GUYS the reason we couldn't find the WMDs was because they were on back of trucks!

This is basically how OJ Simpson got away with things!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2013, 11:20:41 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhOWni2bPmI
Fox news has declined to run this ad.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2013, 12:49:54 PM

 :drudge http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/24/george-soros-hillary-clinton_n_4157242.html :drudge

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Billionaire financier George Soros, a major Democratic donor, is backing an effort to persuade former U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to run for president in 2016, a spokesman said on Thursday.

Soros, 83, has pledged $25,000 to political action committee Ready For Hillary, the largest and best-funded independent group backing a potential Clinton candidacy. The wife of former President Bill Clinton would be widely viewed as the favorite for the Democratic presidential nomination if she decides to run.

The boogeyman reveals himself. :omg

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 24, 2013, 01:06:08 PM

Hillary doesn't get out of bed for less than 6 figures.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 24, 2013, 01:57:26 PM

How much to get her IN bed

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2013, 03:54:22 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on October 24, 2013, 01:57:26 PM

How much to get her IN bed

Ask Huma.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 24, 2013, 08:26:51 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on October 24, 2013, 09:59:05 AM

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Some guys are into that kind of thing

it's hardly controversial - the blonde guy on the left is into black guys... what's the big deal?

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It was a staged fainting so Obama's rescue was fake,

a better hoax would be to get a REAL terrorist mastermind to attack the US and then somehow his killing X years later be devalued totally because QUESTIONS! QUESTIONS! QUESTIONS! from the GOP.



I have to ask this because it still makes me WTF every time i think of it : closed nontendered contracts to one company where the vice president at the time was a previous board member, and then that company was sited for overcharging massively.... Cheney is not rotting in a prison becauuuuuse? I mean - you replace that with LIBRULS names and show that to the GOP base and that is TREASONIMPEACHMENTBENGAZITON

I just think in the UK that any connection that was THAT OPENLY BLATANT regarding a scheme that actively takes tax $ and sticks them in the back pocket of the vice presidents best friends would cause a huge ruckus....

This has bothered me for YEARS. Even more so, while I know it must have been high-fives all around the Oval Office during the Shrub's tenancy, why hasn't there been an investigation of Cheney during the Obama administration?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2013, 08:34:19 PM

Why would they fake a fainting? That lady fainting played into the failure of Obamacare, narrative wise - ie "they can't even do a press conference about Obamacare without something going wrong hurr hurr." There is no fucking strategic value to faking that.  :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 24, 2013, 10:05:01 PM

As I recall, the same thing happened at a campaign rally in 2008 with the same accusations following it

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2013, 11:14:40 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nc-goper-fired-for-making-racist-comments-on-daily-show-video

Amazing. :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2013, 11:46:26 PM

The Green Party won't stop sending me shit to my email. I unsub and tell them NO MORE GREEN PARTY SHIT, and it just keeps coming. This is what I deserve.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on October 25, 2013, 12:07:23 AM

Yes, yes it is.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2013, 12:41:24 AM

:lol Dick mode Harry Reid = Best Harry Reid

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/harry-reid-we-re-not-going-to-have-a-grand-bargain

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2013, 12:46:37 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on October 24, 2013, 11:46:26 PM

The Green Party won't stop sending me shit to my email. I unsub and tell them NO MORE GREEN PARTY SHIT, and it just keeps coming. This is what I deserve.

I made one donation to fight Prop 8, and I'm marked for life for a constant stream of ever-shriller demands for money.

"Mandark, the Koch brothers and their reactionary allies think they can take over the government despite losing election!  If you send us five dollars by 3 PM tomorrow, we can send a message to Washington that America stands by the president!  Don't let those fascist fuckbags out-raise the last hope for decency and humanity!"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2013, 12:48:09 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2013, 11:14:40 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nc-goper-fired-for-making-racist-comments-on-daily-show-video

Amazing. :lol

What the fuck is wrong with these people? No, I'm not talking about their opinions. I'm talking about them expressing their opinions on a fucking liberal T.V. show. Is there no like quality control or anything in the right-winger echo chamber? Have none of his staffers who booked him for this interview informed him that he's treading into enemy territory? I mean, I could be a bit more forgiving if this was on Colbert, since many conservatives think he's a genuine conservative. But The Daily Show? Really?!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2013, 01:07:45 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 25, 2013, 12:46:37 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on October 24, 2013, 11:46:26 PM

The Green Party won't stop sending me shit to my email. I unsub and tell them NO MORE GREEN PARTY SHIT, and it just keeps coming. This is what I deserve.

I made one donation to fight Prop 8, and I'm marked for life for a constant stream of ever-shriller demands for money.

"Mandark, the Koch brothers and their reactionary allies think they can take over the government despite losing election!  If you send us five dollars by 3 PM tomorrow, we can send a message to Washington that America stands by the president!  Don't let those fascist fuckbags out-raise the last hope for decency and humanity!"

You get stupid emails from the "Green Shadow Cabinet" (god ::) ::) ::)) too?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2013, 01:18:02 AM

I followed one porn star on twitter, now my "recommended people to follow" list is all porn stars.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2013, 01:23:23 AM

Himu:  Nope, but I get the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee, Equality California, the League of Conservation voters, and some others.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2013, 01:18:02 AM

I followed one porn star on twitter, now my "recommended people to follow" list is all porn stars.

So you're saying it's a really effective algorithm then.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 25, 2013, 01:37:46 AM

While not a political party, those assholes at Amnesty International got me on a continuous donation plan.  :maf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 25, 2013, 07:37:47 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 25, 2013, 01:37:46 AM

While not a political party, those assholes at Amnesty International got me on a continuous donation plan.  :maf

They're torturing your bank account!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 25, 2013, 10:31:49 AM

Well thanks to signing up to win a free AR-15 I now get emails from Rand Paul.  Oh and that time I wrote an email to my Sen. John Cornyn telling him I think he's a douchebag for not supporting immigration reform means that I get a ton of emails from John Cornyn telling me how those illegals are fucking hard working Americans in the ass and Obama just signed a UN treaty to take our guns and apple pie.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 25, 2013, 01:32:23 PM

Yeah, same here.  "Dick Durbin here, Ted Cruz is trying to tie down the American dream, force it to watch Atlas Shrugged, then rape it to death.  Send us $10 to stop this from happening!"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 25, 2013, 02:40:05 PM

(http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c5/buzzardhut/destroy.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2013, 04:15:40 PM

 :goty2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2013, 04:50:52 PM

It just keeps getting better and better with that not-a-racist NC Republican:

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On a local radio program yesterday, Yelton said he "gladly" gave up his position as precinct chair because his party had "no guts."

"The heck with it, I don't want to be part of a group that is that mealy-mouthed and that gutless," he told Asheville radio host Pete Kaliner.

Yelton also reiterated his claim that The Daily Show edited his words out of context.
However, if there was any doubt left as to Yelton's true feelings on the subject of race, they were terminally settled this morning, when The Wrap's Tim Molloy contacted him to determine if he was being unfairly portrayed as a racist by the media.

"When a distinguished black fellow can use the word distinguished black fellow and it not be considered racist, that’s the utmost racism in the world, and it’s hypocrisy," Yelton told Molloy.

:dead

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on October 27, 2013, 12:13:58 AM

I don't think even Archie Bunker ever even said the N word, so I guess he was racist against WASPs too?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2013, 11:37:39 PM

The market has spoken!

http://deadstate.org/kentuckys-creation-museum-in-financial-trouble-due-to-declining-attendance-video/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on October 28, 2013, 04:21:09 AM

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and the authority of God’s word

the "MULTIPLY BY ZERO!" factor? really??

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2013, 04:23:56 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/55011/large/Fox_welfare-jobs-ff-1.jpg?1382975900)

not only is the chart x/y axis fuckery lol worthy, it's wrong

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Fox's 108.6 million figure for the number of "people on welfare" comes from a Census Bureau's account (Table 2) of participation in means-tested programs, which include "anyone residing in a household in which one or more people received benefits" in the fourth quarter of 2011, thus including individuals who did not themselves receive government benefits. On the other hand, the "people with a full time job" figure Fox used included only individuals who worked, not individuals residing in a household where at least one person works.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/10/28/dishonest-fox-chart-overstates-comparison-of-we/196618

:heh

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2013, 04:28:05 PM

I made it up to Romney and Ryan - people of substance, depth and ideas

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2013, 04:29:21 PM

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/RL33222.pdf

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Israel is the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign assistance since World War II. To date,
the United States has provided Israel $118 billion (current, or non-inflation-adjusted, dollars) in
bilateral assistance. Almost all U.S. bilateral aid to Israel is in the form of military assistance,
although in the past Israel also received significant economic assistance. Strong congressional
support for Israel has resulted in Israel receiving benefits not available to any other countries; for
example, Israel can use some U.S. military assistance both for research and development in the
United States and for military purchases from Israeli manufacturers. In addition, U.S. assistance
earmarked for Israel is generally delivered in the first 30 days of the fiscal year, while most other
recipients normally receive aid in installments. In addition to receiving U.S. State Department-
administered foreign assistance, Israel also receives funds from annual defense appropriations
bills for rocket and missile defense programs. Israel pursues some of those programs jointly with
the United States.
In 2007, the Bush Administration and the Israeli government agreed to a 10-year, $30 billion
military aid package spanning from Fiscal Year (FY) 2009 to Fiscal Year 2018. During his March
2013 visit to Israel, President Obama pledged that the United States would continue to provide
Israel with multi-year commitments of military aid subject to the approval of Congress. P.L. 113-
6, the Consolidated and Further Continuing Approp
riations Act, 2013 (informally referred to as
the full-year Continuing Resolution or CR) prov
ides the full FY2013 Administration request for
Israel of $3.1 billion in FMF, of which Israel is permitted $815.3 million in Off-Shore
Procurement. The Act also provides for $479.736 million in joint U.S.-Israeli missile defense
programs, including $211 million for Iron Dome, $149.679 million for David’s Sling, $74.692
million for Arrow III, and $44.365 million for Arrow II.

100% of Israel pays no US taxes yet gets Billions of dollars. Looks like Israel likes free stuff too.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 28, 2013, 07:00:26 PM

Dat chain mail. Would be hilarious if it weren't for the fact that a depressing number of people believe it to be true. I couldn't even post that to laugh at on facebook cause some of my relatives are evil and would post their agreement with it. :yuck

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 28, 2013, 08:10:08 PM

Quote from: http://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-journal-enlists-noted-health-policy-expert-suzanne-somers-to-critique-obamacare-2013-10

In a web feature titled "The Experts," the Wall Street Journal ran a column today called "The Affordable Care Act Is a Socialist Ponzi Scheme."

The author is Suzanne Somers ...

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2013, 08:44:00 PM

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Philip Bump and Jonathan Chait have both written takedowns noting, politely, that the piece does not provide the sort of airtight argument you might expect from the star of the first five seasons of "Three's Company."

:rofl

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2013, 09:37:17 PM

WSJ putting The Onion out of business.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2013, 11:10:11 PM

http://www.patriotsurvivalplan.com/video.php?t=2&cid=102d6ff3a6264449a1f1f398dcd83e&affid=IX-1136&c1=&c2=&c3=

"For the low, low price of just $36.99, you, too can survive the coming Obamapocalpyse!"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2013, 03:19:11 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2013, 11:10:11 PM

http://www.patriotsurvivalplan.com/video.php?t=2&cid=102d6ff3a6264449a1f1f398dcd83e&affid=IX-1136&c1=&c2=&c3=

"For the low, low price of just $36.99, you, too can survive the coming Obamapocalpyse!"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/self-helping-the-armageddon

100 years from now Obama will probably be remembered as the guy who made white people jump the shark.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2013, 08:14:52 AM

lol

http://www.buzzfeed.com/dorsey/rachel-maddow-rand-paul-plagiarized-gattacas-wikipedia-page

Without the hand gestures to sell it, the Wikipedia article just doesn't work for me.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2013, 04:41:19 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on October 29, 2013, 04:35:10 PM

I read through a few dozen comments on a story about the House's recent ACA hearing, and my only consolation is that all of these people will die someday.

Good God, man.  Why?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2013, 05:22:55 PM

And people don't realize the extent of pre-ACA government intervention (employer-based insurance subsidies, COBRA and continuity-of-coverage rules, even Medicare), and they often don't realize what their plan costs if they get it through their job, and they don't know what their actual treatment costs are or why those prices are the way they are, etc.

It's a really complex issue that deals with maybe the most important aspect of people's day-to-day lives, their health.  So even though FUD already comprises like 80% of political discussion, health care policy is even more fertile ground for it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2013, 11:13:40 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/29/1251569/-Congressman-Gives-GOP-A-Piece-Of-His-Mind-In-Obamacare-Hearing-VIDEO

holy shit :bow

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2013, 11:17:33 PM

Watched that earlier today and was all

:lawd  :whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 29, 2013, 11:20:04 PM

Bububub they can't fire up the base by cooperating with the enemy!!!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 30, 2013, 12:03:10 PM

Just in time for Crimmus, almost 50 million people are getting their food stamps cut, including over 20 million shiftless, lazy children that need to pull themselves up by their own boostraps.  Why?  BECAUSE FREEDOM, MOTHERFUCKERS!

http://billmoyers.com/2013/10/29/no-time-to-wait-on-a-movement/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2013, 12:25:46 PM

If those children want to eat so bad, maybe they should go out a get a job or something? Lazy bums.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2013, 12:13:25 PM

Paul Ryan.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2013, 12:37:14 PM

Rand Paul

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2013, 12:43:38 PM

Oh man, looks like CRACKGATE is starting to heat up again:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/canada-got-game-after-all-the-fail

It turns out that while all of this stuff was going on the Toronto police were doing a major investigation not just into the notorious crack tape but also into the Ford's alleged drug dealing. And it seems like the investigation went pretty well.

And the big news, just announced moments ago in a police press conference, is that Toronto police now have the infamous video.

Perhaps even more shocking than the evidence of rampant crack use, there's this photo from the police investigation, showing Mayor Ford getting out of his official car to pee on a tree ...

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2013, 12:46:55 PM

That's assuming Ryan has any interest in hashing out differences, which I'm not so sure of.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 31, 2013, 01:38:55 PM

at the very least you guys could talk shop about fitness regimes.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2013, 02:52:25 PM

Ryan would likely report Awesom-o to the authorities after a discussion on genetics and sterilization.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on October 31, 2013, 05:24:37 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2013, 02:52:25 PM

Ryan would likely report hire Awesom-o to the authorities after a discussion on genetics and sterilization.

fixt

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 31, 2013, 11:00:33 PM

Okay, seriously mainstream media, enough with the crap about the Obamacare website. Yes, it's an important thing to point out, and there should be accountability. That's fine. But there's no goddamn reason to cover that issue every fricken day. The MSM has been going on about it nonstop since the shutdown ended, and it's hard to tell which has received more coverage by this point. It's like they're trying to make up for daring to go after the GOP during that period. I mean even South Park had a whole episode dedicated to it.

IT'S. NOT. THAT. CRITICAL. :punch :punch :punch

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 31, 2013, 11:08:30 PM

Website no worky health care faily!  :dizzy

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2013, 11:19:13 PM

It's very critical, given the amount of sign ups needed to make the law a success. The sicker people will call to get insurance, as will many on COBRA, but young people? The mobile version is fubar, and the regular site won't be ready until the end of November.

The good news is that many people tend to sign up for insurance at the last possible moment, so we should see a spike leading up to December 15th (for coverage that starts on January 1st), and later for the March 31st deadline.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 10:10:22 AM

As someone who is having a clusterfuck with the site, it is a big deal.  For 3 and a half weeks I wasn't able to submit my application.  And now because of a glitch it says my wife isn't eligible to purchase from the website and now I have to do all this correspondence by snail mail to fix shit.  I can definitely see how someone might say "fuck this" and just pay the penalty.  The website is fucking awful.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2013, 11:34:17 AM

You don't get it through your job?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 12:26:18 PM

I'm doing contract work currently.  I'm offered a health plan, but it's not the good shit.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2013, 12:30:09 PM

Nothing to see here, move along, move along

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/01/60-minutes-benghazi-report-takes-a-huge-credibi/196705

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2013, 12:36:04 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 01, 2013, 12:30:09 PM

Nothing to see here, move along, move along

Sounds like the subtitle of the Darrell Issa Story.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2013, 12:52:16 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 12:26:18 PM

I'm doing contract work currently.  I'm offered a health plan, but it's not the good shit.

I thought you worked for the big H.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2013, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 01, 2013, 12:52:16 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 12:26:18 PM

I'm doing contract work currently.  I'm offered a health plan, but it's not the good shit.

I thought you worked for the big H.

Contract work. I'm sure it's cheaper for them instead of having him on as a full-time employee.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2013, 01:13:07 PM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/10/31/foxs-stossel-argues-obamacare-should-let-insure/196684

Quote

"Women go to the doctor much more often than men! Maybe they're smarter or maybe they're hypochondriacs," Stossel continued. "They live longer. Who knows? But if it's insurance, you ought to be able to charge people who use the services more, more."

"But, John, you're not paying attention," Doocy said sarcastically. "This administration, this president wants to make everything fair. It's not fair if you pay less than she does... And as a number of Republicans have made the argument, why should I pay for -- I'm in my 60s, why should I pay for your maternity coverage?"

"Or why should women pay for men's Viagra?" Stossel asked. "This mandating all this stuff it has to cover just takes away consumer choice."

THese fucking morons have no idea how insurance works. At all! Why are they even allowed to talk about it?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2013, 01:13:47 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 01, 2013, 12:52:16 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 12:26:18 PM

I'm doing contract work currently.  I'm offered a health plan, but it's not the good shit.

I thought you worked for the big H.

Himuro?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 01:15:40 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2013, 01:00:34 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 01, 2013, 12:52:16 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 12:26:18 PM

I'm doing contract work currently.  I'm offered a health plan, but it's not the good shit.

I thought you worked for the big H.

Contract work. I'm sure it's cheaper for them instead of having him on as a full-time employee.

Yep.  It'll be changing the near future, but for now I need something for my wife since we're planning on having a child soon.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2013, 01:43:59 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 01, 2013, 01:13:07 PM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2013/10/31/foxs-stossel-argues-obamacare-should-let-insure/196684

Quote

"Women go to the doctor much more often than men! Maybe they're smarter or maybe they're hypochondriacs," Stossel continued. "They live longer. Who knows? But if it's insurance, you ought to be able to charge people who use the services more, more."

"But, John, you're not paying attention," Doocy said sarcastically. "This administration, this president wants to make everything fair. It's not fair if you pay less than she does... And as a number of Republicans have made the argument, why should I pay for -- I'm in my 60s, why should I pay for your maternity coverage?"

"Or why should women pay for men's Viagra?" Stossel asked. "This mandating all this stuff it has to cover just takes away consumer choice."

THese fucking morons have no idea how insurance works. At all! Why are they even allowed to talk about it?

Stossel is a fucking idiot.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Fragamemnon on November 01, 2013, 01:48:02 PM

Quote

I'm in my 60s, why should I pay for your maternity coverage?"

What a fuckface. Why the fuck should younger people have to pay for your Medicare you're going to get soon, by that logic?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2013, 02:05:54 PM

obligatory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jj6pqajvB8

that's my senator  :tocry

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 02, 2013, 07:52:05 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/02/saudi-protest-driving-ban-not-popular :smug

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2013, 09:32:12 PM

Quote from: Spencer on November 02, 2013, 07:52:05 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/02/saudi-protest-driving-ban-not-popular :smug

Religious women love DAT PATRIARCHY. :drool

(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/posts/2013/10/BXxC5itCEAEC8DP/c35475d5b.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 02, 2013, 10:14:13 PM

Quote from: Spencer on November 02, 2013, 07:52:05 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/nov/02/saudi-protest-driving-ban-not-popular :smug

"Large-scale questionnaire"......170 respondants.

:dead

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2013, 06:26:49 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/as-pennsylvania-prepares-to-fail-other-states-are-not-far-behind

When Philadelphia schools opened this year, budget cuts left many students without new books, school nurses, guidance counselors, librarians, or even desks. Thousands of teachers were laid off and 23 schools were closed after the state cut $1 billion from the education budget and the governor jettisoned an initiative that equitably distributed school funding.

While Philadelphia's schools were reeling from a $300 million deficit, the state was bankrolling the construction of a "state of the art" prison complex less than an hour away in Skippack Township. The $400 million prison is expected to open in 2015 with a capacity of up to 4,000 prisoners. One of the reasons cited for the expansion is to house more prisoners closer to where they are from, Philadelphia. It's as though the state has given up on its largest city and is already lining up cells for Philadelphia's class of 2015.

Your modern Republican party, everyone.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on November 05, 2013, 06:40:58 PM

Keep 'em stupid and throw 'em in jail when they're unable to get ahead in life due to lack of education. Cool.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2013, 07:54:36 PM

 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

http://youtu.be/xReYMOL8nZY

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2013, 08:31:25 PM

Meh, Red Dawn was better [not the remake, though].

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2013, 09:00:52 PM

woe unto the tween girls who mis-spell the title of the upcoming Hunger Games film and come across that trailer on youtube.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2013, 09:46:46 PM

85% reporting in Virginia, and the Cooch is winning by half a percentage per Daily Kos.

What the fuck??

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2013, 09:56:16 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on November 05, 2013, 09:46:46 PM

85% reporting in Virginia, and the Cooch is winning by half a percentage per Daily Kos.

What the fuck??

McAuliffe is up in the current count and several outlets have already called it for him, but it was closer than most polls were showing.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2013, 09:59:45 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2013, 09:56:16 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on November 05, 2013, 09:46:46 PM

85% reporting in Virginia, and the Cooch is winning by half a percentage per Daily Kos.

What the fuck??

McAuliffe is up in the current count and several outlets have already called it for him, but it was closer than most polls were showing.

Oh, thank Allah.

That was way too close for comfort.

With a Dem gov in Virginia, guess that means Republicans won't be carrying that state during the pres. elections since there won't be any voter ID laws being passed now.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2013, 10:06:57 PM

tldr: urban areas take longer to report their results.

The dem only received 35% of the white vote, and will likely win the election by 4 points. Welcome to the future, America.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2013, 10:10:25 PM

McAuliffe is up by 1.3% with 97% reporting. And it looks like that nut EW Jackson [who said slavery wasn't all that bad, despite being black himself] will also lose.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2013, 10:33:16 PM

Lousy candidates on both sides, and a relentlessly negative campaign.  Never been more glad that technology's let me escape almost all TV commercials.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2013, 10:52:25 PM

Referendum on the tea party. :pimp

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2013, 12:18:23 AM

The more interesting election result today is that NYC now has a liberal mayor.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2013, 12:19:32 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2013, 12:18:23 AM

The more interesting election result today is that Detroit now has a white mayor.

fixed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi6DDa5cVMU

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2013, 07:30:02 AM

McAuliffe is terrible.  But the lesser of two evils...

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 06, 2013, 09:09:06 AM

i will be drinking delicious conservative media tears all day

(http://i.imgur.com/MHJxCWT.png)
original ny post headline when they called the election for bill de blasio which they changed almost immediately

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2013, 09:29:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/TzXV8HD.jpg)

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2013, 11:48:05 AM

Someone I know from the trade who comes from  lots of money is so fucking salty over Di Blasio it made my whole morning.  This is the guy who put up a picture from his upper east side balcony during Sandy and said "doesn't seem so bad, looks like the city overreacted again" as people were being washed out to sea and losing their houses.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 06, 2013, 12:05:19 PM

the entire city seemingly said "fuck this shit" and voted in democrats and new blood.

sadly the state appears to have OK'd the selling of mineral rights of state land
but hey, casinos!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2013, 12:23:57 PM

De Blasio :rejoice

He may not accomplish everything, but I'll take solace knowing Ray Kelly's days are over.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 06, 2013, 02:50:53 PM

Quote from: Eric P on November 06, 2013, 12:05:19 PM

sadly the state appears to have OK'd the selling of mineral rights of state land

You're fucking kidding me.  ::)  :maf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2013, 08:00:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/tBwnzrn.png)

 :noah

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2013, 08:43:20 PM

So what you're saying is that crime is starting to go down in Detroit

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2013, 03:58:22 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/07/rand-paul-plagiarism_n_4234306.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

Time to borrow dad's white Ford Bronco to find the real authors.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2013, 04:16:33 PM

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/john-stossel-upset-poor-people-arent-selling

Quote

"This upsets people, but I'm upset it's not legal," Stossel insisted. "In the one country where it is legal, nobody waits for a kidney."

"Where is that?" Doocy asked.

"I'm afraid to say it's Iran," Stossel shrugged. "But, still! There's no waiting line. In America, lots of people die waiting for kidneys."

"So you think it should be legal in this country to sell off an organ you're not using," Doocy pressed.

"Yes, we have two kidneys, we need one, people need them," the Fox Business host declared. "It's your body, it should be your choice. Why does the government limit what you can do what you can do with your body?"

I bet he's pro-life :comeon

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2013, 04:20:31 PM

John Stossel has to be one the stupidest people in America.  He's had years and years to prove just how dumb he is, and he's really made the effort.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2013, 04:33:23 PM

Oh for real, Fox News is pro-abortion and pro-prostitution now?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2013, 04:46:22 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 07, 2013, 04:16:33 PM

Quote

"Yes, we have two kidneys, we need one, people need them," the Fox Business host declared. "It's your body, it should be your choice. Why does the government limit what you can do what you can do with your body?"

 :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 07, 2013, 04:48:50 PM

You can't abort your baby but you CAN sell your baby's kidney

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2013, 04:49:39 PM

And if anything goes wrong you can't sue your doctor because medical liability is the devil :piss2

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 08, 2013, 01:43:47 AM

Quote

An unlikely, yellow and porous character has been thrown into the political debate of job creation and the nation’s economy: Nickelodeon’s SpongeBob SquarePants.
In an upcoming episode of the eponymous, animated children’s show, the notable resident of Bikini Bottom finds himself out of work as he is laid off by his comically frugal boss, Mr. Krabs, and Spongebob’s response to the misfortune has attracted the attention and praise of right-leaning media.

“Being unemployed is the best gig I know,” SpongeBob’s starfish friend, Patrick says, according to The Hollywood Reporter.

Eschewing the thought of unemployment benefits, SpongeBob says, “Unemployment may be fun for you, but I need to get a job.”

The episode, to air Nov. 11, garnered attention from the the Washington Times as well as the New York Post and Fox News, both of which hailed SpongeBob for immediately returning to the workforce.

“Lest he sit around idly, mooching off the social services of Bikini Bottom, a depressed SpongeBob sets out to return to gainful employment wherever he can find it,” Andrea Morabito writes at the Post on Oct. 31.

“Our hero doesn’t end up on food stamps, as his patty-making skills turn out to be in high demand,” Morabito adds.

Similarly, Fox News praised the cartoon character for not “mooching off” of welfare support.

“Even SpongeBob SquarePants isn’t safe from corporate down sizing….The harsh economic climate has hit the underwater community … Instead of mooching off social services in Bikini Bottom, SpongeBob sets out to return to the workforce,” Fox News anchor Heather Nauert said during an Oct. 31 broadcast of “Fox and Friends.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/jobless-spongebob-nets-fans-on-right-99375.html#ixzz2jq13Juyn (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/jobless-spongebob-nets-fans-on-right-99375.html#ixzz2jq13Juyn)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 08, 2013, 02:36:49 AM

Don't mooch off the government when you can flip burgers underwater you fucking children.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2013, 07:57:46 PM

:bow Obama :bow2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekTrFJccWA

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2013, 04:11:05 AM

^Those are some big balls. I almost feel sorry for the people who accidentally voted for him.

Almost. Cause they shoulda seen a "black" republican as not totally black.

Quote

One of his mailers said he was "Endorsed by Ron Wilson," which longtime Houston voters might easily interpret as a statement of support from a former state representative of the same name who's also African-American. Fine print beneath the headline says "Ron Wilson and Dave Wilson are cousins," a reference to one of Wilson's relatives living in Iowa.
"He's a nice cousin," Wilson says, suppressing a laugh. "We played baseball in high school together. And he's endorsed me."

The size of bowling balls.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2013, 10:11:36 AM

Why feel sorry for people who didn't do their due diligence in that case? The candidate deserves dap.

:obama

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on November 09, 2013, 10:46:25 AM

Quote

"It's your body, it should be your choice. Why does the government limit what you can do what you can do with your body?"

I remember Reagan saying this exact thing as why there should be a war on drugs! ;)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2013, 01:10:13 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/6YbepBm.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 11, 2013, 07:20:36 PM

Some random dudes basically built a better healthcare.gov site in a couple of days.

http://www.theeverlastinggopstoppers.com/2013/11/guys-20s-fixed-healthcare-gov-problem-matter-days-video/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2013, 07:38:46 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 11, 2013, 07:20:36 PM

Some random dudes basically built a better healthcare.gov site in a couple of days.

http://www.theeverlastinggopstoppers.com/2013/11/guys-20s-fixed-healthcare-gov-problem-matter-days-video/

Was it Durante?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2013, 07:52:49 PM

That's a really nice, simple site. It reminds me of the Kentucky site
https://kyenroll.ky.gov/

Simple, easy to see prices. Forcing people to sign up for the site just to see prices was boneheaded, creating a pretty ugly bottleneck that could have been avoided by simply allowing people to browse based on their location and age. Prices are basically what everyone wants to see.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2013, 01:44:24 PM

(http://static.squarespace.com/static/50578791e4b093884ee9a6db/t/5281619fe4b05645e636c2d7/1384210848800/Obama%20Black%20Only..JPG)

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United States President Barack (Hussein) Obama posted a photo to his official Facebook fan page at approximately 1:00pm Eastern Standard Time to commemorate those who have served this country as a form of patriotism.

Honoring the living and falling is an annual custom that rolls around on the 11th of November every year to recognize the men and women who wore the uniform for the United States to "defend our freedom."

Patriotically, Mr. Obama leaves the caption
"Today we honor every service member who has ever worn one of our nation's uniforms. Happy Veterans Day" under the Facebook photo.

Such patriotism is to be expected and is certainly not out of the ordinary except for one thing that may only be noticeable to the trained eye. You tell us.

Anything missing?

Given that the majority of the military is White and was even more White back in the era that these men are from, was there just no White military men around?

Perhaps it goes back to B. Hussein Obama's noninclusive statements in the past against White men. Perhaps the reason he closed down military memorials in Washington D.C. was because there were too many White patriots who wanted to exhibit their patriotism..



Black America has arrived and this is the ultimate spit in the face of the White race in the United States of America.

Ready to fight yet, White man?

Keep styling on em, Barry.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2013, 01:47:57 PM

I celebrated Black Veterans Day by punching an elderly white veteran in the kidney and then pushing his Rascal down some stairs.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 12, 2013, 01:50:04 PM

Ughhhhhhhhhhhh. White people, c'mon!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2013, 03:38:33 PM

I can't wait for Darrel Issa to investigate BLACKGHAZI!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 12, 2013, 04:05:36 PM

"Dear lesser rib based creatures: sorry about calling you baby killing sluts that should stay home instead of getting jobs.  Instead of actually moderating any of our policies, we're gonna focus on trying to say that to you in a nicer tone of voice."

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/burning-glass-has-its-limits

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But the underlying problem with everything we’ve heard for the last year – from Krauthammer’s concern for “delicacy” to the launch of Burning Glass Consulting – is the assumption that policy is secondary to rhetoric. There’s a formula, the argument goes, that will persuade women to overlook how the Republican policy agenda will affect women.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2013, 11:17:04 PM

Richard Cohen, ladies and gentlemen.

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Today’s GOP is not racist, as Harry Belafonte alleged about the tea party, but it is deeply troubled — about the expansion of government, about immigration, about secularism, about the mainstreaming of what used to be the avant-garde. People with conventional views must repress a gag reflex when considering the mayor-elect of New York — a white man married to a black woman and with two biracial children. (Should I mention that Bill de Blasio’s wife, Chirlane McCray, used to be a lesbian?) This family represents the cultural changes that have enveloped parts — but not all — of America. To cultural conservatives, this doesn’t look like their country at all.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/washington-post-columnist-biracial-couples-will-make-people-with-conventional-views-gag

Mandark. Explain.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 13, 2013, 12:06:03 AM

 :yeshrug

As an actual WaPo subscriber for the last decade, lemme tell ya: Richard Cohen is dumb.  Not weasely and passive-aggressive like David Brooks or Michael Gerson, or fake-erudite like George Will, or cartoonishly angry like Krauthammer.  You read his stuff, and he just really comes across as legitimately dim.

Also, he has the usual set of terrible, privileged opinions endemic to op-ed pages.  Pretty sure he said some awful shit during the Polanski brouhaha (and maybe has a history of sexual harassment himself?).

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 13, 2013, 08:48:03 AM

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To cultural conservatives, this doesn’t look like their country at all.

Maybe because it's not their country?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 13, 2013, 02:39:47 PM

Welp, the House isn't touching immigration reform.  Looks like these idiots really haven't learned...

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"This is about trying to do this in a way that the American people and our members can absorb," the Speaker said, adding immigration reform is too complicated to rush. "There are hundreds of issues involved in dealing with immigration reform, and we've got to deal with these in a common-sense way where our members understand what we're doing and their constituents understand."

So basically more "deport them" and "they're stealing our jerbs!" instead of actually doing something.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 13, 2013, 03:35:56 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 13, 2013, 02:39:47 PM

Welp, the House isn't touching immigration reform.  Looks like these idiots really haven't learned...

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"This is about trying to do this in a way that the American people and our members can absorb," the Speaker said, adding immigration reform is too complicated to rush. "There are hundreds of issues involved in dealing with immigration reform, and we've got to deal with these in a common-sense way where our members understand what we're doing and their constituents understand."

So basically more "deport them" and "they're stealing our jerbs!" instead of actually doing something.

Self deportation!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

Sooo Mupepe, in your circle do republicans receive the blame for not passing immigration or democrats/Obama? Obama "promised" to pass immigration in his first term, but obviously wasn't able to due to obstruction and the focus on health care.

I don't think any major legislation will pass from now until the end of his presidency. Obstruction plays a major part but I also don't think the White House is capable of getting things done. John McCain would jump in front of a train to end sequestration, yet the WH isn't working with him to fix it. There's no "bipartisan" solution to cutting 50-100b in spending to end sequestration?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 13, 2013, 03:55:21 PM

lolwut

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2013, 04:13:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

There's no "bipartisan" solution to cutting 50-100b in spending to end sequestration?

Not unless you like $100b in cuts to Social Security and Medicaid.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 13, 2013, 04:24:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 03:50:04 PM

Sooo Mupepe, in your circle do republicans receive the blame for not passing immigration or democrats/Obama? Obama "promised" to pass immigration in his first term, but obviously wasn't able to due to obstruction and the focus on health care.

I don't think any major legislation will pass from now until the end of his presidency. Obstruction plays a major part but I also don't think the White House is capable of getting things done. John McCain would jump in front of a train to end sequestration, yet the WH isn't working with him to fix it. There's no "bipartisan" solution to cutting 50-100b in spending to end sequestration?

Mixture of both.  Right leaners I know are blaming Obama and basically using the blanket statements that Boner used... "We need something more sensible."  Even though if you ask them what that might be or what isn't sensible about the current bill they'll fumble around and give you some bullshit talking points about going the legal way and what's fair and shit.  Another thing the older Hispanics say is "Democrats never come through.  Republicans are the ones who care more about it.  Who passed the last immigration reform bill?" 

This is why I am more skeptical of everyone so sure that Texas will be a solid Democrat state one day.  Will probably turn purple one day, but most people don't realize that the only thing typical hispanics have in common with Democrats is immigration reform.  They are hard right on almost everything else.  If reform happens to pass under the guise of a "Republican bill" then you'll see a very different future for politics in Texas IMO.  Too many libertarians and religious folk here, even those progressives in Austin.

Edit: Another thing, it really surprises and disgusts me how many people will sell out their own family and the way they came here over some bullshit loyalty to the Republican party.  Most of these people have family members who were or still are illegal and they still continue to spew that bullshit.  Some of them even came here illegally themselves and for some reason the 1985 bill was okay but this one isn't.  It's absolutely infuriating.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 13, 2013, 06:10:07 PM

(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/M9/sfl-allen-west-writes-book-20131112-001.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2013, 06:28:19 PM

Tea Party heroes:

-A half-term governor of a state nobody cares about
-A one-term US Representative discharged from the military for torture
-A pizza magnate who quoted Pokemon
-A washed-up rockstar who pooped his pants to get out of the Vietnam draft
-A billionaire with a bad rug

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2013, 06:35:24 PM

To be fair, I'd probably shit my pants on purpose to get out of Vietnam as well.

Someone give me a book deal goddamit.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 13, 2013, 06:44:16 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 13, 2013, 06:35:24 PM

To be fair, I'd probably shit my pants on purpose to get out of Vietnam as well.

Someone give me a book deal goddamit.

If only you were black.  A young black hipster Republican?  You'd be on book three by now.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2013, 06:57:25 PM

Great Rumbler don't you mean "a one-term representative who was discharged for torture"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2013, 07:10:04 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 13, 2013, 06:35:24 PM

To be fair, I'd probably shit my pants on purpose to get out of Vietnam as well.

Yeah, but you don't wave an American flag while shooting a rifle and yelling about how great the military is.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2013, 10:17:45 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on November 13, 2013, 06:10:07 PM

(http://www.esquire.com/cm/esquire/images/M9/sfl-allen-west-writes-book-20131112-001.jpg)

Drinky should be forced to read this and Sarah Palin's War on Christmas book back-to-back for an episode of The Cruncheons.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 13, 2013, 10:29:09 PM

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Click around on the Christmas tree below to hear some of the book's more memorable lines.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/11/sarah-palin-war-christmas-book-good-tidings-great-joy.html (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2013/11/sarah-palin-war-christmas-book-good-tidings-great-joy.html)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 13, 2013, 11:51:06 PM

How has nobody mentioned the book's subtitle at the top. :neogaf

spoiler (click to show/hide)

An American Ronin's :expert Journey

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2013, 09:14:40 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/1Tp0akn.jpg?1)

 :whew

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:00:47 PM

I just heard our commander in queef blame everybody but himself for Obamacare. What a standup guy (typical liberal) to take responsibility (point fingers)  himself (at everyone else) for what amounts to be his idea.

But good news! .002% of america is signed up and ready to go!


BTW the Bush-esqe trust factor he now has with his general public is delicious. What a fucking twat. This asshat couldn't manage an ice cream stand, and why should he be able to? He has never had a job.

Theory learned in college doesn't work, anyone who has any real job in this economy knows this.

He reminds me of an old director I worked for. He use to leave for "10 minuts" and be gone the rest of the day. Never did what he was asked, pointed fingers, and generally had no clue how to manage a division. My favorite part is when he was fired and I took his spot I heard him say "you promoted the back guy? really? Guess I got unjustifiably removed in the name of racial equality!"

Classy guy.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:05:00 PM

I just saw the excerpts and he blamed himself multiple times, even said he "fumbled the football" and "this is on me." How does that equal blaming everyone but himself?

This is a disaster regardless though.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:07:11 PM

Not what I heard. I heard "I am very upset with how they put this together" and "I am working around the clock to save this"

He's a dickhole and a disgrace to my race and gender.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:08:05 PM

Sign up rate for Obamacare is roughly equal to the sign up rate for Romneycare at the same point in time... but yes, let's ignore everything in our quest to hate the President, herp a fuckin derp

Also, how'd the last "MBA President" work out?  Remind me of that?

(not saying the website doesn't suck- it does.  But sweet fucking Jesus, some people's children)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:08:30 PM

You're a fucking idiot cunt

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:10:14 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2013, 01:08:30 PM

You're a fucking idiot cunt

And you blindly support an individual whom has failed to complete any task he promised would be done, got embarrased by Putin several times, been caught lying several times, and generally is known to look down his nose at anyone who doesn't think he's black jesus.

Kiss my black ass. You're part of the problem.

And I don't recall Romney every standing at the pulpits saying he was going to save America with insurance while we're at it.


If he spies like a bush, and lies like a bush....just sayin

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:13:54 PM

This is better than doing nothing, which is what your side has been stupidly advocating.

Also, what you know about me would fit into a fucking thimble, what you don't would fit in my drawers.  Eat a hot bag of dicks, idiot cunt.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:15:58 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2013, 01:13:54 PM

This is better than doing nothing, which is what your side has been stupidly advocating.

Also, what you know about me would fit into a fucking thimble, what you don't would fit in my drawers.  Eat a hot bag of dicks, idiot cunt.

Typical liberal shit talker making this about himself. I could care less what you think. I'm just as entitled to voice my opinion as you are, bitch, and most likely more educated on the subject.


Also do we fist fight here or do a buddy cop moment where we both learn the other has some salient points?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:18:51 PM

Wheeeeee, it's the bi-monthly AIA shitfit.

Yes yes, we're all idiotic sheep who have never worked for a living and survive on welfare and make specious accusations of racism to shut down real debate and get useless graduate degrees et cetera et cetera.  You sure showed us.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:19:55 PM

There's no question this has been a bad roll out, especially for people trying to sign up before the December 15th deadline for coverage that begins on January 1st. And tbh I don't get the impression Obama or the administration was on the ball trying to ensure everything would go right on October 1st. The contractors were throwing up warning signs months before, the site failed one of the few stress tests it was put through, etc. That's on Obama/the administration. And you'd think that they'd be far more focused on planning for this shit, but it seems to me like there wasn't much urgency. Today he apparently mentioned they wanted to bring focus groups in to test the site...does that suggest focus groups weren't being used months/years ago?

Finally on him complaining about the red tape and federal IT problems that have marred government for decades...why didn't you fix that? Why don't you fix it now? He sounds more like a spectator than a president at that point.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:20:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:18:51 PM

Wheeeeee, it's the bi-monthly AIA shitfit.

Yes yes, we're all idiotic sheep who have never worked for a living and survive on welfare and make specious accusations of racism to shut down real debate and get useless graduate degrees et cetera et cetera.  You sure showed us.

Fair enough:

Explain to me how the following are good for you:

Benghazi
NSA taps
Going after freedom of the press
Obamacare
Bendng over for Russia in Syria



I'll say we were at fault for the shutdown, because we take responsibility for our actions. However, perhaps we also knew Obamacare was a fuckfest to start with...as most of us actually do hold jobs and understand you can't stomp your foot and make shit work (unless you are Putin)

Oh and despite the fact several republican members of congress and the senate have businesses with a great deal of website traffic he decided to go partisan and recruit yet more people who don't know shit about how the real world works.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:21:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:19:55 PM

There's no question this has been a bad roll out, especially for people trying to sign up before the December 15th deadline for coverage that begins on January 1st. And tbh I don't get the impression Obama or the administration was on the ball trying to ensure everything would go right on October 1st. The contractors were throwing up warning signs months before, the site failed one of the few stress tests it was put through, etc. That's on Obama/the administration. And you'd think that they'd be far more focused on planning for this shit, but it seems to me like there wasn't much urgency. Today he apparently mentioned they wanted to bring focus groups in to test the site...does that suggest focus groups weren't being used months/years ago?

Finally on him complaining about the red tape and federal IT problems that have marred government for decades...why didn't you fix that? Why don't you fix it now? He sounds more like a spectator than a president at that point.

Because he is distancing himself from the problem.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WCFUGCOLLU

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 14, 2013, 01:28:01 PM

Well, I guess that's why they call it the blues.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:29:06 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 14, 2013, 01:28:01 PM

Well, I guess that's why they call it the blues.

Big fan of your avatar....know I want some...er arbys.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2013, 01:29:30 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:20:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:18:51 PM

Wheeeeee, it's the bi-monthly AIA shitfit.

Yes yes, we're all idiotic sheep who have never worked for a living and survive on welfare and make specious accusations of racism to shut down real debate and get useless graduate degrees et cetera et cetera.  You sure showed us.

Fair enough:

Explain to me how the following are good for you:

Benghazi - 53 more dead ambassadors and he'd be tied with bush. Doesn't mean shit. I didn't see you voice any concern about them.
NSA taps - Been happening since it's creation. The fact that it's a surprise to conservatives is due to conservative's main character flaw : Willful Ignorance
Going after freedom of the press - Press is still free last I checked
Obamacare - Because GOPcare fucking sucked
Bendng over for Russia in Syria - It's called diplomacy. Look it up.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:31:21 PM

Benghazi - Nobody's yet to me explained the huge scandal.  If you could lay it out, that would be amazing.

NSA taps - Not "okay" with it, but there's a cross-party consensus that supports the surveillance state.  Switching Obama for any other credibly elected leader isn't going to mean a 180 on US civil liberties policy.  See like a billion of my previous posts in this thread.

Going after freedom of the press - lolwut

Obamacare - My father had cancer a few years ago, then lost his job a year or so afterwards.  Getting a new job meant getting new insurance, and the only reason he'll ever get an insurance company to pay for any future cancer treatment without them saying "pre-existing condition, too bad lolz!" is because of the federal government (which mandates coverage of pre-existing conditions if someone's had continuity of coverage, which administers [fucking expensive] COBRA so people can maintain that continuity when they lose their job, and finally through Medicare, which will cover him once he's old enough).

The vast, vast majority of self-identifying liberals, myself included, have been critical of the healthcare.gov rollout, and for that matter saw the ACA itself as a jerry-rigged compromise.  But we also think health insurance is one area where markets tend to fuck up, often leaving those who are hit the hardest by injury and illness without the financial means to cope with it.  I don't think there's any "fairness" in people going bankrupt because they contracted a disease, and the only practical way to avoid that is through social insurance.  Which is what employer-sponsored group plans are a small version of, anyways.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:33:40 PM

Focus on the present junior, stop blaming others.


Benghazi: Essentially a hit on our own people...coupled with hundreds of lies by him and his administration. The reason it can't be explained is because there are 100 different people spinning it 100 different ways. One thing holds true, it was on our administration. Period.

NSA: Bush NEVER tapped at this level, that's already been determined. Not sure why tapping my Aunt's phone helps us nationally.

Freedom of Press: You are incorrect. I'd suggest you research this matter a bit.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/10/obama-press-freedom-cpj_n_4073037.html

Obamacare: Should have been directed at the lowest income level to start then rolled upwards. Should also have had test markets first. Basically it was ran like 11 year old me ran my candy business. In fact I was probably more profitable.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:34:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:33:40 PM

Focus on the present junior, stop blaming others.

That's directed to whom, exactly?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:35:51 PM

What is the official conservative position on Syria again?  That we should also have a strong and forceful response to the situation, but also doing that would mean helping Al Qaeda, and also that Obama's involvement would put us in a quagmire, but also we should definitely do something to not show weakness to the Russians, but that Obama's involvement is a very bad thing.

Also conservative Putin dickriding is fucking hilarious.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:36:08 PM

Guys, you just don't get it!  If you don't IMMEDIATELY DEMAND THE PUBLIC EXECUTION OF THE PRESIDENT, OR AT THE VERY LEAST HIS IMPEACHMENT, then you're by god LICKING HIS ANUS AND APOLOGIZING FOR EVERYTHING HE'S EVER DONE.

Also, as for making it about ME, I was responding to your post:

Quote from: am_i_an_idiot_cunt_answer_yes

And you blindly support an individual whom has failed to complete any task he promised would be done, got embarrased by Putin several times, been caught lying several times, and generally is known to look down his nose at anyone who doesn't think he's black jesus.

Kiss my black ass. You're part of the problem.

Can't imagine why I'd fire back on that shit.

Also, if you want to throw down on this shit, I'm game.  You start posting your facts and salient figures, Benghazi Boy.  I guaranfucking-tee you that I know more than you.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:37:49 PM

AIA, real talk, how drunk are you right now?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:38:19 PM

Benghazi was "Essentially a hit on our own people...coupled with hundreds of lies by him and his administration."

 :neogaf

You are so fucking stupid, you know that?  My 15 year old autistic nephew is more capable of rational thought. 

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:35:51 PM

What is the official conservative position on Syria again?  That we should also have a strong and forceful response to the situation, but also doing that would mean helping Al Qaeda, and also that Obama's involvement would put us in a quagmire, but also we should definitely do something to not show weakness to the Russians, but that Obama's involvement is a very bad thing.

Also conservative Putin dickriding is fucking hilarious.

My personal opinion is it was as mishandled as poorly as everything this administration has tried. I did not support and attack but I certainly do NOT want our decisions that will save the lives of innocents left up to a vote. At some point we have to shit or get off the pot.

I am no fan of Putin, but he is a better leader than Obama. Probably cares about his people more too.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:40:06 PM

He certainly cares about teh gayz more

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:41:03 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2013, 01:38:19 PM

Benghazi was "Essentially a hit on our own people...coupled with hundreds of lies by him and his administration."

 :neogaf

You are so fucking stupid, you know that?  My 15 year old autistic nephew is more capable of rational thought.

All you have is personal attacks. It's embarassing that a grown ass man conduct himself in this manner.

I would like you to simply explain to me how Obama has no culpability in Benghazi and we can call it a day.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:41:40 PM

Wait, so your opinion is that Syria policy shouldn't have come up for a vote?  And you wanted Obama to take more direct control and keep Congress from having any say?  Really?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:41:51 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2013, 01:40:06 PM

He certainly cares about teh gayz more

Do you really for one second thing Obama gives a fuck about you? Assuming you live in this country.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:42:01 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:41:03 PM

All you have is personal attacks. It's embarassing that a grown ass man conduct himself in this manner.

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:42:09 PM

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:42:14 PM

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:42:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:41:40 PM

Wait, so your opinion is that Syria policy shouldn't have come up for a vote?  And you wanted Obama to take more direct control and keep Congress from having any say?  Really?

How many people died while we "talked about it" internally. Do you think we succeeded in making our position on terrorism more defined?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:43:05 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:35:51 PM

What is the official conservative position on Syria again?  That we should also have a strong and forceful response to the situation, but also doing that would mean helping Al Qaeda, and also that Obama's involvement would put us in a quagmire, but also we should definitely do something to not show weakness to the Russians, but that Obama's involvement is a very bad thing.

Also conservative Putin dickriding is fucking hilarious.

My personal opinion is it was as mishandled as poorly as everything this administration has tried. I did not support and attack but I certainly do NOT want our decisions that will save the lives of innocents left up to a vote. At some point we have to shit or get off the pot.

I am no fan of Putin, but he is a better leader than Obama. Probably cares about his people more too.

:lol

DO SOMETHING BUT DON'T DO SOMETHING

Also seriously, I think conservative dudes want a Putin like figure to come in.  They hate the gays, don't mind the press getting fucked, have no problem with an oligarchy and crazy religious leaders, and they also secretly want a strong man to pin them down and fuck them.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:44:04 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:42:09 PM

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Clearly you didn't read this thread. If you assume I was the one who started the whole cunt shit then I will send you hooked on phonics from christmas.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:45:22 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 14, 2013, 01:43:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

I am no fan of Putin, but he is a better leader than Obama. Probably cares about his people more too.

You're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I don't much care for Obama, but this is among the dumbest shit i've read in months.

Forgot the whole gay thing, I submit that was not well thought out on my part.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:47:02 PM

How was Benghazi "Essentially a hit on our own people," please?  I mean, you're basically accusing the President of borderline treasonous shit here.  I'd love to see some facts to back that up.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on November 14, 2013, 01:47:19 PM

"I'm a complete fucking mong"

There, now you can digitally murder him then bookmark this post for consultation whenever he posts.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:47:32 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 14, 2013, 01:46:34 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:45:22 PM

Forgot the whole gay thing, I submit that was not well thought out on my part.

No, the not well thought out part of this is going at Obama hard for civil liberties (understandable) and praising Vladimir Putin for his leadership on the same page.

Let's be real here, "thinking" is not his strong suit

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:47:50 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2013, 01:47:02 PM

How was Benghazi "Essentially a hit on our own people," please?  I mean, you're basically accusing the President of borderline treasonous shit here.  I'd love to see some facts to back that up.

Did they or did they not know it was coming? Were attempts made to evacuate the staff?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:06 PM

This is from your FIRST post in the current discussion

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:00:47 PM

I just heard our commander in queef blame everybody but himself for Obamacare. What a standup guy (typical liberal) to take responsibility (point fingers)  himself (at everyone else) for what amounts to be his idea.

Now, do you really expect anyone to believe that you're the one trying to have an honest, respectful conversation, and that it's everyone else's fault that it's degenerated?  Do you believe that yourself?  Is that in line with what you said about taking responsibility?  Not trolling, asking for real.  Cause sometimes you seem to have remarkably little self-awareness, from where I'm sitting.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PM

It should be pretty obvious by now that Benghazi was a CIA fuck up, and they have attempted to pass blame to the State Department. We'll probably never get details of why a CIA front was posing as an embassy, why so many CIA personnel were on the ground, etc. Guess what: republicans know this, and have been milking it for a year because they know the administration can't say shit.

There were countless attacks on "embassies" during Bush's years, Clinton's, etc. Yet the only one that has gained notoriety is this one. Gee I wonder why. Could it be desperate politics, republicans intent on the Romney Reagan/Obama Carter analogy hoping to turn it into an Iran hostage situation-esque debacle, extremists milking money out of stupid old people, etc?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:49:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PM

It should be pretty obvious by now that Benghazi was a CIA fuck up, and they have attempted to pass blame to the State Department. We'll probably never get details of why a CIA front was posing as an embassy, why so many CIA personnel were on the ground, etc. Guess what: republicans know this, and have been milking it for a year because they know the administration can't say shit.

There were countless attacks on "embassies" during Bush's years, Clinton's, etc. Yet the only one that has gained notoriety is this one. Gee I wonder why. Could it be desperate politics, republicans intent on the Romney Reagan/Obama Carter analogy hoping to turn it into an Iran hostage situation-esque debacle, extremists milking money out of stupid old people, etc?

Who does the CIA work for? Just curious.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:50:34 PM

So if poor administrative planning that leads to unnecessary American deaths is the equivalent of "a hit on our own people," then what's the proper description of Bush-era Iraq policy?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:50:46 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:06 PM

This is from your FIRST post in the current discussion

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:00:47 PM

I just heard our commander in queef blame everybody but himself for Obamacare. What a standup guy (typical liberal) to take responsibility (point fingers)  himself (at everyone else) for what amounts to be his idea.

Now, do you really expect anyone to believe that you're the one trying to have an honest, respectful conversation, and that it's everyone else's fault that it's degenerated?  Do you believe that yourself?  Is that in line with what you said about taking responsibility?  Not trolling, asking for real.  Cause sometimes you seem to have remarkably little self-awareness, from where I'm sitting.

I fair to see where that compares with being called a cunt with no opinion given.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:51:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:50:34 PM

So if poor administrative planning that leads to unnecessary American deaths is the equivalent of "a hit on our own people," then what's the proper description of Bush-era Iraq policy?

Did not like him either. Haven't liked a president since Reagan to be fair.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:51:49 PM

Reagan?  Justify the Beirut bombings.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:52:16 PM

Since if you "like" a president that means you must therefor PRAISE HIS EVERY SINGLE ACTION according to your logic.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:52:35 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:51:49 PM

Reagan?  Justify the Beirut bombings.

If we had not done something we were heading for a war between Israel and Iran...people always always forget that.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 01:52:39 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:49:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PM

It should be pretty obvious by now that Benghazi was a CIA fuck up, and they have attempted to pass blame to the State Department. We'll probably never get details of why a CIA front was posing as an embassy, why so many CIA personnel were on the ground, etc. Guess what: republicans know this, and have been milking it for a year because they know the administration can't say shit.

There were countless attacks on "embassies" during Bush's years, Clinton's, etc. Yet the only one that has gained notoriety is this one. Gee I wonder why. Could it be desperate politics, republicans intent on the Romney Reagan/Obama Carter analogy hoping to turn it into an Iran hostage situation-esque debacle, extremists milking money out of stupid old people, etc?

Who does the CIA work for? Just curious.

Clearly, every POTUS is all up in the CIA's day to day planning like right to lifers are in your average woman's snatch.  That shit is well established.

I mean, it's almost like part of life is taking calculated risks and having them blow up sometimes.  But, no!  FULL FUCKING ACCOUNTABILITY. 

(just not for Bush era warcrimez, kplzthnx)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:53:39 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:52:35 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:51:49 PM

Reagan?  Justify the Beirut bombings.

If we had not done something we were heading for a war between Israel and Iran...people always always forget that.

But then Reagan pulled out after that.  You'd be KILLING Obama for losing that many American lives and backing off.  You know this.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:53:54 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:52:16 PM

Since if you "like" a president that means you must therefor PRAISE HIS EVERY SINGLE ACTION according to your logic.

To be fair I suffered for years hearing how great Obama was and how he was going to CHANGE this nation. The only thing that has changed is that we are worse of now than we have ever been. More in debt, less international clout, a soon to be broken healthcare system, and wiretapping any pizza hut order.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:54:59 PM

How were we going to be less in debt? :what

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:55:27 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on November 14, 2013, 01:52:39 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:49:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PM

It should be pretty obvious by now that Benghazi was a CIA fuck up, and they have attempted to pass blame to the State Department. We'll probably never get details of why a CIA front was posing as an embassy, why so many CIA personnel were on the ground, etc. Guess what: republicans know this, and have been milking it for a year because they know the administration can't say shit.

There were countless attacks on "embassies" during Bush's years, Clinton's, etc. Yet the only one that has gained notoriety is this one. Gee I wonder why. Could it be desperate politics, republicans intent on the Romney Reagan/Obama Carter analogy hoping to turn it into an Iran hostage situation-esque debacle, extremists milking money out of stupid old people, etc?

Who does the CIA work for? Just curious.

Clearly, every POTUS is all up in the CIA's day to day planning like right to lifers are in your average woman's snatch.  That shit is well established.

I mean, it's almost like part of life is taking calculated risks and having them blow up sometimes.  But, no!  FULL FUCKING ACCOUNTABILITY. 

(just not for Bush era warcrimez, kplzthnx)

You're right. Clearly he wasn't involved or informed....would that really make it better?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:55:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:54:59 PM

How were we going to be less in debt? :what

He said we would be. Just sayin.....

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 01:55:54 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:50:46 PM

I fair to see where that compares with being called a cunt with no opinion given.

It's cause you were choosing to present yourself like a cunt.  Who, older than fourteen, says "commander in queef" then expect people to scratch their chins and engage them in a calm, rational debate?

If you're going to be provocative, you can't cry foul when people are provoked.  Show the respect you want to see in return.  I can't imagine that you deal with people like this in real life on a daily basis, so why would you expect it to pay dividends online?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2013, 01:55:56 PM

I just can't with this current discussion

I just can't

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:56:33 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:49:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PM

It should be pretty obvious by now that Benghazi was a CIA fuck up, and they have attempted to pass blame to the State Department. We'll probably never get details of why a CIA front was posing as an embassy, why so many CIA personnel were on the ground, etc. Guess what: republicans know this, and have been milking it for a year because they know the administration can't say shit.

There were countless attacks on "embassies" during Bush's years, Clinton's, etc. Yet the only one that has gained notoriety is this one. Gee I wonder why. Could it be desperate politics, republicans intent on the Romney Reagan/Obama Carter analogy hoping to turn it into an Iran hostage situation-esque debacle, extremists milking money out of stupid old people, etc?

Who does the CIA work for? Just curious.

You realize the CIA has a large degree of autonomy and presidents are unaware of much of their action, correct?  :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:57:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:56:33 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:49:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PM

It should be pretty obvious by now that Benghazi was a CIA fuck up, and they have attempted to pass blame to the State Department. We'll probably never get details of why a CIA front was posing as an embassy, why so many CIA personnel were on the ground, etc. Guess what: republicans know this, and have been milking it for a year because they know the administration can't say shit.

There were countless attacks on "embassies" during Bush's years, Clinton's, etc. Yet the only one that has gained notoriety is this one. Gee I wonder why. Could it be desperate politics, republicans intent on the Romney Reagan/Obama Carter analogy hoping to turn it into an Iran hostage situation-esque debacle, extremists milking money out of stupid old people, etc?

Who does the CIA work for? Just curious.

You realize the CIA has a large degree of autonomy and presidents are unaware of much of their action, correct?  :lol

Again, just to be clear, you are definitively saying Obama's team had NO IDEA what was happening over there, right? This is what you're saying?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 14, 2013, 01:57:46 PM

This thread got unreadable really fast.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 01:58:07 PM

Don't worry, you guys, Sarah Palin is gonna fix Obamacare once she's President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG1v1sghSeA

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:58:27 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 14, 2013, 01:57:46 PM

This thread got unreadable really fast.

Then I have emulated this adminstration and my job in this thread is done ;-)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:58:55 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 14, 2013, 01:57:46 PM

This thread got unreadable really fast.

I'm actually having fun!  But i'm just a filthy government dependent small business owner with offices in multiple states

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:59:22 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 01:58:07 PM

Don't worry, you guys, Sarah Palin is gonna fix Obamacare once she's President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG1v1sghSeA

Lasly for the record I wish this woman would shut the fuck up already.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:00:29 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:58:55 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 14, 2013, 01:57:46 PM

This thread got unreadable really fast.

I'm actually having fun!  But i'm just a filthy government dependent small business owner with offices in multiple states

Same. Curious as if you have evaluated your insurance plan and have a plan moving forward? (serious question)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:01:00 PM

Okay, AIA.  No more Socratic method.

YOU tell US how Benghazi went down.  Explain the timeline, be explicit about exactly what Obama did that was wrong and why this is a big deal or exceptional, and make your own case.  Less bumper sticker descriptions, more showing us you've actually got your shit together.  You're the one who said you're "probably better educated."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:01:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:59:22 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 01:58:07 PM

Don't worry, you guys, Sarah Palin is gonna fix Obamacare once she's President:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cG1v1sghSeA

Lasly for the record I wish this woman would shut the fuck up already.

Suck it up, Anonymous, she's the spokeswoman for your side.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:03:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:01:00 PM

Okay, AIA.  No more Socratic method.

YOU tell US how Benghazi went down.  Explain the timeline, be explicit about exactly what Obama did that was wrong and why this is a big deal or exceptional, and make your own case.  Less bumper sticker descriptions, more showing us you've actually got your shit together.  You're the one who said you're "probably better educated."

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

They do a fair enough job and employ better writing skills than me on my tablet.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:06:32 PM

Sadly, I am not surprised at all that you're making excuses and not coming through, AIA. Oh well.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:07:45 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:06:32 PM

Sadly, I am not surprised at all that you're making excuses and not coming through, AIA. Oh well.

Why should I type out what you can read yourself? Take a minute, read it, and refute what is stated there. Because that is exactly how I feel it went down. If you would like to debate any of that account I'll be glad to engage.

Consider it a source for my viewpoint on the matter if it makes it easier for you.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:09:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:03:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:01:00 PM

Okay, AIA.  No more Socratic method.

YOU tell US how Benghazi went down.  Explain the timeline, be explicit about exactly what Obama did that was wrong and why this is a big deal or exceptional, and make your own case.  Less bumper sticker descriptions, more showing us you've actually got your shit together.  You're the one who said you're "probably better educated."

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/benghazi-timeline/

They do a fair enough job and employ better writing skills than me on my tablet.

This has absolutely zero to do with things the Obama administration did wrong prior to the attack, zero to do with the physical response while the attack was happening, and zero to do with the administration's on-going investigation into who committed the attack.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

In my opinion they lied because Obama is so cautious of not being seen as a Bush-esque aggressor that he's rather lie to his own people than take a hit from his middle eastern diplomatic contacts.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 02:11:16 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:57:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:56:33 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:49:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 01:48:09 PM

It should be pretty obvious by now that Benghazi was a CIA fuck up, and they have attempted to pass blame to the State Department. We'll probably never get details of why a CIA front was posing as an embassy, why so many CIA personnel were on the ground, etc. Guess what: republicans know this, and have been milking it for a year because they know the administration can't say shit.

There were countless attacks on "embassies" during Bush's years, Clinton's, etc. Yet the only one that has gained notoriety is this one. Gee I wonder why. Could it be desperate politics, republicans intent on the Romney Reagan/Obama Carter analogy hoping to turn it into an Iran hostage situation-esque debacle, extremists milking money out of stupid old people, etc?

Who does the CIA work for? Just curious.

You realize the CIA has a large degree of autonomy and presidents are unaware of much of their action, correct?  :lol

Again, just to be clear, you are definitively saying Obama's team had NO IDEA what was happening over there, right? This is what you're saying?

I'm saying that Obama likely knew a deal was going on, but to suggest he or any president knows everything the CIA does is utterly ridiculous.

The CIA tends to handle its own security, and the Libyan government provided support. The idea that the "embassy" wasn't protected because of some fuck up on the White House's end is idiotic. They were doing something - a weapon's deal perhaps? - and clearly there was a leak. Or maybe the Libyan support militias fucked the CIA. (http://www.emptywheel.net/2012/11/01/another-sequel-in-the-libyan-left-behind-series/) Guess what, we'll never get all the details. But to act like this is some Obama crafted disaster is to display a level of ignorance on how foreign policy works, and what the CIA does.

With respect to the administration's lies on what happened...again, you're not going to get the truth from them. Just as you're not going to get the truth on what happened here: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/13/uk-police-spy-whose-body-was-found-in-padlocked-gym-bag-probably-died-by/

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2013, 02:11:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:58:27 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 14, 2013, 01:57:46 PM

This thread got unreadable really fast.

Then I have emulated this adminstration and my job in this thread is done ;-)

what a zinger

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:14:04 PM

Or because Obama planned the attack himself and was looking to scapegoat someone :hans1

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:15:08 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest?

Well, gee, Annie, Reagan would NEVER lie! Except about Iran/Contra, I guess.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:15:42 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:15:08 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest?

Well, gee, Annie, Reagan would NEVER lie! Except about Iran/Contra, I guess.

Noted.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

The bay of pigs guy?  Lying?  How dare you even suggest that.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:17:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

The bay of pigs guy?  Lying?  How dare you even suggest that.

Attacks on other nations require secrecy. Being attacked really does not unless you're hiding something bigger, which could be the case I admit. Now that makes me cringe.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 02:17:43 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

You mean like the Bay Of Pigs or Iran Contra?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2013, 02:19:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:17:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

The bay of pigs guy?  Lying?  How dare you even suggest that.

Attacks on other nations require secrecy.

Except for Obama!

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:19:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 02:17:43 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

You mean like the Bay Of Pigs or Iran Contra?

Again, noted, but neither of those were americans being killed in what was atleast considered a diplomatic setting.

Iran Contra was reagan's biggest mistake, the bay of pigs, kennedys. Benghazi will be Obama's, which one is the worst in your opinion?

That's a serious question by the way, I am curious to see which you feel is the worst.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:20:17 PM

Quote from: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/benghazi-attack-becomes-political-ammunition/2012/10/19/e1ad82ae-1a2d-11e2-bd10-5ff056538b7c_story.html?hpid=z2

"Talking points" prepared by the CIA on Sept. 15, the same day that Rice taped three television appearances, support her description of the Sept. 11 attack on the U.S. Consulate as a reaction to Arab anger about an anti-Muslim video prepared in the United States. According to the CIA account, "The currently available information suggests that the demonstrations in Benghazi were spontaneously inspired by the protests at the U.S. Embassy in Cairo and evolved into a direct assault against the U.S. Consulate and subsequently its annex. There are indications that extremists participated in the violent demonstrations."

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/18/us/politics/questions-and-answers-on-the-benghazi-attack.html?_r=2&ref=politics&

According to reporting by David D. Kirkpatrick and Suliman Ali Zway of The New York Times, eyewitnesses have said there was no peaceful demonstration against the video outside the compound before the attack, though a crowd of Benghazi residents soon gathered, and some later looted the compound. But the attackers, recognized as members of a local militant group called Ansar al-Shariah, did tell bystanders that they were attacking the compound because they were angry about the video.

Quote from: Eric Nordstrom

It was a -- a unit or a group that Lieutenant Colonel Wood's personnel and I had -- had tracked for quite some time, we were concerned about. That specific group had been involved in a similar but obviously much smaller scale incident at the end of June involving the Tunisian consulate in Benghazi where they stormed that facility and it was in protest to what they claimed was an anti-Islamic film in Tunis.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:20:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:17:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

The bay of pigs guy?  Lying?  How dare you even suggest that.

Attacks on other nations require secrecy. Being attacked really does not unless you're hiding something bigger, which could be the case I admit. Now that makes me cringe.

Or if you don't want to tip your hat?  I mean police mislead the press all the time when someone is killed so they don't give away something too early.  Do you think they should jump right in and tell everyone everything right away?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:21:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:20:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:17:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

The bay of pigs guy?  Lying?  How dare you even suggest that.

Attacks on other nations require secrecy. Being attacked really does not unless you're hiding something bigger, which could be the case I admit. Now that makes me cringe.

Or if you don't want to tip your hat?  I mean police mislead the press all the time when someone is killed so they don't give away something too early.  Do you think they should jump right in and tell everyone everything right away?

What would have been wrong with "we are not answering questions at this time?" or "we are investigating this situation" rather than immediate lies?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:22:04 PM

Quote

Rice repeatedly mentioned the ongoing FBI investigation of the Benghazi attack and said that no definitive conclusions could be drawn until after the investigation was completed.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:22:56 PM

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On September 28, the office of the Director of National Intelligence released a statement on the Benghazi attack. It said, "Throughout our investigation we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving." It also noted that its initial assessment was that the attack "began spontaneously":

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:23:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:07:45 PM

Why should I type out what you can read yourself? Take a minute, read it, and refute what is stated there. Because that is exactly how I feel it went down. If you would like to debate any of that account I'll be glad to engage.

Consider it a source for my viewpoint on the matter if it makes it easier for you.

First, if you have a viewpoint, you should be able to put it in your own words and make a cogent argument.  That's not an unreasonable demand, that's like the bare minimum.

Second, that story is ENTIRELY about the administration's public statements after the attack.  This has NOTHING to do with the security arrangements or the administration's conduct before the attack (as GR said), so how can any of this, even if it were super damning, be interpreted as "a hit on their own people"?

Instead of summarizing your own views, you're outsourcing to something that isn't even covering the same bases.  C'mon, man.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:23:45 PM

Quote

Rice told host Chris Wallace that the FBI was investigating the attacks "closely" and stated that "we don't want to jump to conclusions before then."

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:25:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

HOLY SHIT YES THEY WOULD.

Kennedy was up to his waist in cold war shit that the public wasn't allowed to know the truth of.  Military advisors in Vietnam indeed.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 02:36:05 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:19:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 02:17:43 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

If that IS the case then I would have expected to see some type of apology for their actions if not publically than spread through select sources rather than let an innocent administation hang at the cross. Either way, shame on us.

You mean like the Bay Of Pigs or Iran Contra?

Again, noted, but neither of those were americans being killed in what was atleast considered a diplomatic setting.

Iran Contra was reagan's biggest mistake, the bay of pigs, kennedys. Benghazi will be Obama's, which one is the worst in your opinion?

That's a serious question by the way, I am curious to see which you feel is the worst.

No Americans were killed during the Bay of Pigs? Major Riley Shamburger, Captain Thomas W. Ray, Wade Gray, and Leo Baker. All US airmen who were shot down during the invasion. The CIA lost men as well. US special forces were involved with the commandos who were left behind.

It's clear you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The Bay Of Pigs was significantly worse than Benghazi, as was Iran/Contra. To suggest otherwise is to display a stunning lack of knowledge. The Bay Of Pigs got thousands of people killed, could have sparked a war, and had a huge influence on the final years of JFK's presidency, specifically in how he treated the CIA. Iran/Contra dealt with a direct sale of arms to foreign death squads. You're going to sit here and say a sneak attack on a CIA operation in Benghazi was worse than both?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 02:40:19 PM

Yeah I think "the one that could have started a nuclear war" was probably the worst.  But that's just me.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 02:41:55 PM

IIRC the Kennedy administration also lied about the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis, in that the removal of US missiles from Turkey were agreed to in a secret protocol that was denied to the public.  Might have the details fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure that's basically true.  Plus the FBI was pretty much wiping its ass with ethical standards during all of J. Edgar Hoover's reign.


The larger point though is that American administrations have been seriously fudging the truth about security and intelligence matters since at least the end of WW2.  And there's a ton of shit to debate about how much that should be allowed, under what circumstances, with what mechanisms for accountability, etc.  But it's dishonest to act like the current administration invented this, or is unique in its disregard of civil liberties.  For all the brouhaha of the NSA revelations, has a bill passed either the Democratic Senate or the Republican House to end PRISM or severely curtail the NSA's telecom snooping?  I'm pretty sure the answer's no.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:48:11 PM

I'd just like, for once, for the GOP to have an investigation into what can be done GOING FORWARD to prevent future attacks against US embassies [and there will be] in succeeding in killing Americans.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 14, 2013, 02:49:29 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:48:11 PM

I'd just like, for once, for the GOP to have an investigation into what can be done GOING FORWARD to prevent future attacks against US embassies [and there will be] in succeeding in killing Americans.

Just like gun violence in the states... oh wait.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 14, 2013, 03:00:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:45:22 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 14, 2013, 01:43:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

I am no fan of Putin, but he is a better leader than Obama. Probably cares about his people more too.

You're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I don't much care for Obama, but this is among the dumbest shit i've read in months.

Forgot the whole gay thing, I submit that was not well thought out on my part.

Newsfeed

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 14, 2013, 03:04:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:13:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 02:12:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 02:11:10 PM

Incorrect it distinctly outlines their lies about a non-existant protest. I mean it's the first point. It's verifable. They LIED about a protest for what reason?

Because the CIA asked them to go with the angle initially?

Do you think for even one second that Reagan or Kennedy for instance would lie to the country about an attack on American people? Be honest.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

I'm dying here

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 14, 2013, 03:12:16 PM

Apart from vague innuendo, what is the official Conservative line on Benghazi once you look past the frothing at the mouth. Do they really know themselves? I bet AIA truly thought Obama ordered a hit on our own people. Because...?

There's barely even any twisted logic cooked up to justify it to themselves. Just starting from the assumption that Obama is evil, and ending on the assumption that Obama is evil.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 03:16:51 PM

The whole barely concealed subtext is that Obama knew about the attack beforehand and let it happen and tried to cover it up because hey, he's Muslim.  There's really no other reason that this has gone on so long.  Even people who definitely don't believe any of that keep it alive because it plays well well their base.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

-Obama purposefully left the embassy undefended
-Obama stopped the military from mounting a rescue
-Obama lied about it afterward

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 14, 2013, 03:22:39 PM

To what end though? I'm genuinely confused.

(Question is half-rhetorical of course, don't expect an real answer)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 03:23:24 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on November 14, 2013, 03:12:16 PM

Apart from vague innuendo, what is the official Conservative line on Benghazi once you look past the frothing at the mouth. Do they really know themselves? I bet AIA truly thought Obama ordered a hit on our own people. Because...?

There's barely even any twisted logic cooked up to justify it to themselves. Just starting from the assumption that Obama is evil, and ending on the assumption that Obama is evil.

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 03:24:56 PM

With respect to Benghazi it's time to call a spade a spade: this is straight up incitement. Snoop around on twitter or far right sites and it'll become clear that they believe Obama allowed the attack to occur specifically to kill US forces. Which would be treason. They are actively claiming the commander in chief purposely killed US forces. Likewise they claim Obama wants to arm terrorists in Syria specifically so that they can killed US forces. At some point this goes beyond fear mongering into incitement, and I think we passed that point ages ago.

These are the same people who claim Obama personally sent an Imam to military funerals to damn Navy Seals to hell (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/09/did-an-imam-really-use-arabic-prayer-to-covertly-damn-fallen-seal-team-6-members-to-hell-during-their-funeral/)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 03:27:20 PM

Benghazi reminds me of Whitewater, in that lots of conservatives were absolutely sure that Clinton did something shady and illegal, and if they couldn't explain quite exactly what he had done, well, that was just proof that he was hiding something, wasn't it?

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 14, 2013, 03:30:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 14, 2013, 03:27:20 PM

Benghazi reminds me of Whitewater, in that lots of conservatives were absolutely sure that Clinton did something shady and illegal, and if they couldn't explain quite exactly what he had done, well, that was just proof that he was hiding something, wasn't it?

Yeah, but even "shady land deal" isn't all that fantastical and illogical. It's not an unreasonable thing to think of someone you don't like, it just happened to be bullshit.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 03:43:52 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 14, 2013, 03:27:57 PM

This guy really rustled our jimmies huh

I kind of (ok, really) overreacted, but in my defense my trip to the mechanic turned into a trip to the proctologist's today, so I was in a really, reaaaaaaallllly shitty mood when I read that fucking nonsense.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 14, 2013, 03:44:03 PM

Obama lied
Americans died


BrandNew sighed

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 03:46:04 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 14, 2013, 03:27:57 PM

This guy really rustled our jimmies huh

Liberals can't tolerate a black man who has left their plantation
(http://i.imgur.com/LnU5bnI.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2013, 07:49:06 PM

Guys.  Guys.  GUYS.

http://www.capitalisminstitute.org/holder-impeachment-text/

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2013, 08:18:44 PM

roflmao

Edit: 9 of the 20 Reps. are from Texas. :lol

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on November 14, 2013, 08:31:41 PM

I came in here all "holy shit, how did this thread grow four pages in one day"

and then I clicked back and saw an AIA post and went "ahhhhh"

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 14, 2013, 09:46:19 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:43:05 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:35:51 PM

What is the official conservative position on Syria again?  That we should also have a strong and forceful response to the situation, but also doing that would mean helping Al Qaeda, and also that Obama's involvement would put us in a quagmire, but also we should definitely do something to not show weakness to the Russians, but that Obama's involvement is a very bad thing.

Also conservative Putin dickriding is fucking hilarious.

My personal opinion is it was as mishandled as poorly as everything this administration has tried. I did not support and attack but I certainly do NOT want our decisions that will save the lives of innocents left up to a vote. At some point we have to shit or get off the pot.

I am no fan of Putin, but he is a better leader than Obama. Probably cares about his people more too.

:lol

DO SOMETHING BUT DON'T DO SOMETHING

Also seriously, I think conservative dudes want a Putin like figure to come in.  They hate the gays, don't mind the press getting fucked, have no problem with an oligarchy and crazy religious leaders, and they also secretly want a strong man to pin them down and fuck them.

Do you blame them?
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0133f354e7cd970b-600wi)

:drool

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2013, 10:02:15 PM

It's like those psychological tests that ask if you believe a strong leader with moral conviction is required to put the country back on the right path.

(http://i40.tinypic.com/2djyqkp.png)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 15, 2013, 12:48:38 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNSQn2zVdSU

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2013, 01:12:58 AM

Issa is a massive tool.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 15, 2013, 07:52:46 AM

Quote from: tiesto on November 14, 2013, 09:46:19 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:43:05 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2013, 01:39:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2013, 01:35:51 PM

What is the official conservative position on Syria again?  That we should also have a strong and forceful response to the situation, but also doing that would mean helping Al Qaeda, and also that Obama's involvement would put us in a quagmire, but also we should definitely do something to not show weakness to the Russians, but that Obama's involvement is a very bad thing.

Also conservative Putin dickriding is fucking hilarious.

My personal opinion is it was as mishandled as poorly as everything this administration has tried. I did not support and attack but I certainly do NOT want our decisions that will save the lives of innocents left up to a vote. At some point we have to shit or get off the pot.

I am no fan of Putin, but he is a better leader than Obama. Probably cares about his people more too.

:lol

DO SOMETHING BUT DON'T DO SOMETHING

Also seriously, I think conservative dudes want a Putin like figure to come in.  They hate the gays, don't mind the press getting fucked, have no problem with an oligarchy and crazy religious leaders, and they also secretly want a strong man to pin them down and fuck them.

Do you blame them?
(http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c630a53ef0133f354e7cd970b-600wi)

:drool

I like how Putin is fishing, but he's got a big-ass knife in case a bear comes out of the water.

No, not that kind of bear, demi.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2013, 11:43:00 AM

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/11/15/illinois-bishop-plans-gay-marriage-exorcism/?hpt=hp_t3

A bishop is going to exorcise the gay demon from Illinois once and for all, ridding it of the dark influence of our Homo-in-Chief.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on November 15, 2013, 01:56:14 PM

In like a century when we're all old and ornery and every major religion adapts to gay people just being people, I'll have to remember all this shit to bitch to little kids about why it's so hard to trust religious organizations.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 02:08:08 PM

I'll be too busy crossing the street whenever I see minority whites walking towards me to care about the death of religion.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 15, 2013, 03:19:02 PM

Here's a fun game we can all play. Let's guess which insane right-wing outlet said the following:

Quote

The disastrous rollout of [President Obama's] health care law not only threatens the rest of his agenda but also raises questions about his competence in the same way that the Bush administration’s botched response to Hurricane Katrina undermined any semblance of Republican efficiency.

Answer:

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The New York Times.

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Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2013, 05:51:25 PM

"Obama's Katrina" :picard

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 06:17:49 PM

Yes the rollout is horrible and it could fuck the law, thus fucking Obama's legacy...and yes, like Katrina it's an example of the federal government failing to do something. But every federal government fails to do something or another, and I can't tolerate a straight up comparison to one of the worst responses in US history, that led to thousands of people being killed, starving, etc.

How many Katrinas can Obama have at this point? First, they claimed the oil spill was his Katrina. Then Cash For Clinkers and a host of other stuff that wasn't good...but ultimately didn't lead to anyone dying.

The frustrating thing about this is that if the website actually worked, I think the administration could have beaten their sign up projections. There are people on COBRA right now who'd love to sign up for this thing.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2013, 06:27:49 PM

The response to Katrina was hobbled almost exclusively because the President put his buddy in charge of FEMA because he honestly didn't care one bit whether FEMA worked properly or not.

The ACA rollout is a bit of a mess at least partly because there was never supposed to be a federal exchange in the first place [and thus money wasn't set aside for it in the original bill], but lots of Republican governors would rather spit in Obama's eye than accept free money.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 06:36:54 PM

That doesn't excuse wasting a bunch of money to build a shitty, poorly coded website that doesn't work though, to be fair. And not putting it through adequate stress tests, then watching it fail it's last stress test and being like "oh well, out of time!"

BTW I'm more shocked that Oregon's state site is so borked. They've been on the forefront of making the law work since it passed, only to drop the ball on their site. Meanwhile Kentucky is trucking along with a great site.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2013, 08:20:12 PM

The website worked for me *shrugs*

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 08:34:28 PM

http://queenofspainblog.com/2013/11/13/we-just-enrolled-in-obamacare/ (http://queenofspainblog.com/2013/11/13/we-just-enrolled-in-obamacare/)

can't be overlooked/forgotten that the law is going to help a whole lot of folks.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2013, 08:58:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 08:34:28 PM

http://queenofspainblog.com/2013/11/13/we-just-enrolled-in-obamacare/ (http://queenofspainblog.com/2013/11/13/we-just-enrolled-in-obamacare/)

can't be overlooked/forgotten that the law is going to help a whole lot of folks.

Unlike Katrina.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2013, 12:55:36 AM

With all the noise from Fox News and right wing radio, sometimes it's easy to forget what real, actual oppression is and what real, actual violent dictatorships look like:

Quote from: http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/news/article/article.aspx?aid=2980240&cloc=joongangdaily|home|newslist1

Some 80 people were publicly executed earlier this month in seven cities in North Korea excluding Pyongyang, the first known large-scale public executions by the Kim Jong-un regime, the JoongAng Ilbo reported.

The executions occurred on Sunday, Nov. 3, according to a source familiar with internal affairs in the North who recently visited the country.

The people were executed for relatively light transgressions such as watching South Korean movies or distributing pornography.

About 10 people were killed in each city, which included Wonsan in Kangwon Province, Chongjin in North Hamgyong Province, Sariwon in North Hwanghae Province and Pyongsong in South Pyongan.

In Wonsan, eight people were tied to a stakes at a local stadium, had their heads covered with white sacks and were shot with a machine gun, according to the source.

According to witnesses of the execution, the source said, Wonsan authorities gathered some 10,000 people, including children, at Shinpoong Stadium, which has a capacity of 30,000 people, and forced them to watch.

“I heard from the residents that they watched in terror as the corpses were riddled by machine-gun fire that they were hard to identify afterwards.”

The Wonsan victims were mostly charged with watching or illegally trafficking South Korean videos, being involved in prostitution or being in possession of a Bible.

Accomplices or relatives of the executed people who were implicated in their alleged crimes were sent to prison camps.

The reason for the executions wasn’t immediately clear. They seem to have occurred in cities that are centers of economic development, according to a government official.

Wonsan is a port city that Kim is planning to transform into a tourist destination by constructing vacation facilities such as hotels, an airport and a ski resort on Mount Masik.

The idea that executions would be held simultaneously on a weekend in seven cities suggests an extreme measure by the central government to stamp out public unrest or capitalistic zeal accompanying its development projects.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2013, 01:06:04 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/alabama-man-no-prison-time-raping-teenager

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"It would seem to be relatively mild," Totten tells Mother Jones. "But [Clem's] lifestyle for the next six years is going to be very controlled…If he goes to a party and they're serving beer, he can't say, 'Can I have one?' If he wanted to go across the Tennessee line, which as the crow flies is eight or nine miles from his house, and buy a lottery ticket, he can't do that…It's not a slap on the wrist."

I wonder if he would have gotten the same sentencing if he was black and/or facing a drug conviction. :neogaf

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on November 16, 2013, 01:42:59 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2013, 01:06:04 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/11/alabama-man-no-prison-time-raping-teenager

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"It would seem to be relatively mild," Totten tells Mother Jones. "But [Clem's] lifestyle for the next six years is going to be very controlled…If he goes to a party and they're serving beer, he can't say, 'Can I have one?' If he wanted to go across the Tennessee line, which as the crow flies is eight or nine miles from his house, and buy a lottery ticket, he can't do that…It's not a slap on the wrist."

I wonder if he would have gotten the same sentencing if he was black and/or facing a drug conviction. :neogaf

A black guy raping a white girl in Alabama? There wouldn't even be a trial.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on November 17, 2013, 06:13:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2013, 06:36:54 PM

That doesn't excuse wasting a bunch of money to build a shitty, poorly coded website that doesn't work though, to be fair. And not putting it through adequate stress tests, then watching it fail it's last stress test and being like "oh well, out of time!"

BTW I'm more shocked that Oregon's state site is so borked. They've been on the forefront of making the law work since it passed, only to drop the ball on their site. Meanwhile Kentucky is trucking along with a great site.

The site may be poorly designed, but that's separate from why it's not operating well when people try to access it:
http://www.examiner.com/article/right-wing-cyber-attacks-on-healthcare-gov-website-confirmed

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 18, 2013, 09:24:15 AM

If that's true, I hope the DOJ brings the hammer down.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 18, 2013, 12:19:07 PM

BITCOINZZZZZ Y'ALLL

RON PAUL 2016 ASSASSINATE BERNANKE IT'S HAPPENING!!!!!

http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/18/5117450/bitcoin-powered-assassination-market-targets-obama-bernanke

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2013, 03:34:34 PM

Quote

Exclusive: Sen. Bob Corker Moves to Stop Obama from Lifting Iran Sanctions

On the eve of new nuclear negotiations with Iran, the top Republican senator on the Foreign Relations Committee is considering legislation that would prevent President Obama from loosening sanctions on the Tehran regime.

“We’ve crafted an amendment to freeze the administration in and make it so they are unable to reduce the sanctions unless certain things occur,” Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) told The Daily Beast in an interview Wednesday. “They have the ability now to waive sanctions. But we’re very concerned that in their desire to make any deal that they may in fact do something that is very bad for our country.”

Corker said that his new legislative language would freeze the administration’s ability to waive sanctions currently in place until or unless Iran agrees to large concessions on its nuclear and missile programs. The concessions Corker is demanding go way beyond the incremental deal being contemplated this week in Geneva, where Iran will meet with officials from the U.S. and the other countries in the P5+1 group, which includes Britain, France, Russia, China, and Germany.

The new legislation, if passed, could throw a wrench into the administration’s plans to use incremental confidence building measures, including some sanctions relief for Iran, as a means of continuing the nuclear negotiations into next year.

Under Corker’s plan the Obama administration would be barred from using the waivers that are currently on the books to create limited exemptions to the sanctions program unless Iran agrees to stop all enrichment and reprocessing and adhere to U.N. Security Council Resolutions now in place. For the Iranians to comply with those terms they would need to suspend all work on their heavy water reactor at Arak, suspend all work and testing on ballistic missiles, and come clean with the IAEA on all military dimensions of their nuclear program.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/06/senator-bob-corker-moves-to-stop-obama-from-lifting-iran-sanctions.html

The facade of strength+never ending tension>potential for peace, apparently

I'm glad Obama has more leeway on this than with domestic legislation. When you have China AND Russia as willing participants at the table, you can't waste the opportunity to get something done.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 18, 2013, 04:50:01 PM

That same move would have been considered treason under the previous administration.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on November 19, 2013, 12:50:14 AM

Quote

Corker said that his new legislative language would freeze the administration’s ability to waive sanctions

loooooooooooooooooooooool get real.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 19, 2013, 09:30:56 AM

It's largely a meaniness bill designed to denounce the US administration in favor of Israel. Reminds me of when republicans and democrats jumped over Obama for discussing 1967 lines with land swaps, as if he had said something new or controversial. But hey, Bibi was mad so they were too. Disgusting.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 20, 2013, 01:28:47 PM

This is a pretty amazing interview of a person who was a staffer with the US Senate during the 40's all the way through LBJ.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/11/sex-in-the-senate-bobby-baker-99530_Page2.html

Its super long, but has a bunch of amazing dirt in it.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Lovingsteam on November 20, 2013, 04:35:01 PM

This ACA rollout has been an embarrassment. So so terrible. At work we have been waiting to get our credentials to sell on the Washington exchange since October. Finally receive the login credentials today and shocking! It doesn't work. So pathetic. While the law itself has/will do a lot of good, Obama and his administration deserve all the blame they're rightfully receiving for the terrible implementation.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2013, 04:56:51 PM

I really don't believe that it'll be working for 80% of people in ten days.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Lovingsteam on November 20, 2013, 05:02:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2013, 04:56:51 PM

I really don't believe that it'll be working for 80% of people in ten days.

It won't. The website wouldn't even work for Sebelius today when she was speaking to navigators lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-l5d7VauBY&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-l5d7VauBY&feature=player_embedded)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2013, 06:41:56 PM

Meanwhile the GAF thread thinks this is some game or temporary issue that won't matter in the long run. The deadline for January 1st coverage is on December 15. I'm assuming the site won't be ready on November 30th/December 1st, especially because tons of people will flood it once again. And if it's not ready by the 15th...yeah.

The law fails if enough young people don't sign up. The sickest folks will call, visit ACA navigators, etc. I can't see young people doing all that. Even the mobile site doesn't work. Overall it's just a horrible, horrible fuck up.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Lovingsteam on November 20, 2013, 06:46:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2013, 06:41:56 PM

Meanwhile the GAF thread thinks this is some game or temporary issue that won't matter in the long run. The deadline for January 1st coverage is on December 15. I'm assuming the site won't be ready on November 30th/December 1st, especially because tons of people will flood it once again. And if it's not ready by the 15th...yeah.

The law fails if enough young people don't sign up. The sickest folks will call, visit ACA navigators, etc. I can't see young people doing all that. Even the mobile site doesn't work. Overall it's just a horrible, horrible fuck up.

Honestly, a lot of folks will still defend this because Obama and the Dems passed it. It disappoints me even more because I supported this law and Obama. It's embarrassing.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2013, 07:18:57 PM

I dunno.  I think that it will have a really long time to "fail" or succeed.  And, over time, enough people will enroll that it will bend the cost curve in a meaningful way.

But yeah, man what a clusterfuck of a roll out.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 20, 2013, 08:05:06 PM

Website works fine for me, cause my state actually set up its own exchange. :smug

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Lovingsteam on November 20, 2013, 08:11:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 20, 2013, 08:05:06 PM

Website works fine for me, cause my state actually set up its own exchange. :smug

So did my state (Washington) though you wouldn't know it half of the time.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2013, 08:14:29 PM

Michigan, late to the party and half assed as usual
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0a3fg-fUWdw/T3On8vGgmVI/AAAAAAAAA4A/PJg-1gRMH5Y/s1600/bunk-the-wire.gif)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 21, 2013, 12:44:18 PM

Christmas came early for Awesome-O:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/harry-reid-nuclear-option-senate

After years of threats and warnings that ended with a whimper, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) and his Democratic majority on Thursday finally executed the "nuclear option" to end the filibuster for judicial and executive branch nominees.

Fifty-two Democrats voted against upholding the filibuster rules after Republicans again blocked cloture on the nomination of Patricia Millett to the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals. Democratic Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Mark Pryor (D-AR) voted with Republicans to sustain the filibuster rules.

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2013, 01:01:36 PM

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Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) fumed at Reid's decision, accusing him of trying to change the subject from Obamacare and "cook up some fake fight over judges." He argued that "by any objective standard, Senate Republicans have been very, very fair to this president" when it comes to letting him appoint his nominees.

(http://i41.tinypic.com/s2d6df.jpg)

Title: Re: GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWNGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Lovingsteam on November 21, 2013, 01:07:23 PM

Wake up to Reid's balls dropping down to the ground? Good day.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2013, 01:55:03 PM

Harry Reid 2016

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2013, 02:21:10 PM

Approve of title change.

Love the Fox News headline

"Reid, Dems push through change in senate rules to weaken minority"

Isn't it a pillar of the republican party to weaken minorities?

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 21, 2013, 02:44:04 PM

Reid pullin the trigger :rock

I've been listening to a lot of Democracy Now and a bit of the Thom Hartmann Program -- how do you guys rank these shows as sources of news and politics?

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 21, 2013, 02:52:24 PM

i love Democracy Now but it's basically "depressing shit daily"

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on November 21, 2013, 02:58:03 PM

Quote from: Eric P on November 21, 2013, 02:52:24 PM

i love Democracy Now but it's basically "depressing shit daily"

Almost all news is.  :goty2

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2013, 03:29:14 PM

https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/403581600224776192

(http://i41.tinypic.com/330elhx.jpg)

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on November 21, 2013, 04:43:59 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 21, 2013, 03:29:14 PM

https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/403581600224776192

(http://i41.tinypic.com/330elhx.jpg)

i just listened to that for 5 minutes on loop.....so good.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 22, 2013, 11:01:47 AM

Quote from: The New York Times

Republicans, wounded and eager to show they have not been stripped of all power, are far more likely to unify against the Democrats who humiliated them in such dramatic fashion.

I'm going to hate to see this era of cooperation and non-partisanship come to end.  :'(

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2013, 12:02:34 PM

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"President Obama will get a short-term lift for his nominees, judicial and otherwise," the New York Times states, "but over the immediate horizon, the strong-arm move by Senate Democrats on Thursday to limit filibusters could usher in an era of rank partisan warfare beyond even what Americans have seen in the past five years."

oh no not rank partisan warfare how we will ever survive this horror

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2013, 12:11:50 PM

I'm waiting to hear what David Brooks things, brehs

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 12:12:37 PM

Short term? There are more than 90 judicial vacancies...

The senate has accomplished some things this year no doubt, and I don't expect that to change. Overall it's a more logical body than the House. The problem is that the House won't pass most of the things the Senate passes, so regardless we'll be stuck with an economy slowly getting strangled to death while everyone sits back and does nothing.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2013, 12:18:57 PM

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On his November 22 radio show, Glenn Beck claimed that Kennedy has been "co-opted by the left "and that "if you could bring back the politician JFK was, he wouldn't be accepted by the Republican Party because he would be a Tea Party radical" who "wouldn't even recognize what this country has become."

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On his November 21 program, Limbaugh claimed that President Kennedy "was not in any way a liberal as you know liberals today," citing his support for tax cuts and the fact that he was "proud to be an American." He added that Kennedy "was not a big believer in the Civil Rights Act."

Quote

During an interview on the November 17 Fox News Sunday with Kennedy's niece Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, host Chris Wallace claimed that "there's a growing body of thought that in fact President Kennedy was quite conservative in some of his policies." Wallace claimed Kennedy "believed that tax cuts spur the economy."

Quote

Boston Globe columnist Jeff Jacoby also cited Kennedy's position on taxation and claimed that "Kennedy was no liberal. By any reasonable definition, he was a conservative" and that "Today's Democratic Party -- the home of Barack Obama, John Kerry, and Al Gore -- wouldn't give the time of day to a candidate like JFK."

Quote

Breitbart.com senior editor at large Joel B. Pollak wrote that the Obama administration's efforts to negotiate a deal to limit Iran's nuclear capabilities "reject[] the lessons, and the principles, of the Kennedy legacy."

Quote

On the November 18 edition of Your World, Fox's Neil Cavuto hosted Ira Stoll, the author of JFK, Conservative. In his introduction to the segment, Cavuto asked, "As we approach the fiftieth anniversary of JFK's assassination, what if I told you he was more to the right than the left likes to admit?"  Later in the interview, Cavuto stated that "No one has given a better argument for lowering taxes - and I include Ronald Reagan - than JFK. Go figure."

Quote

Breitbart's AWR Hawkins wrote that "two aspects" of Kennedy's legacy "that are not getting the attention they deserve are his lifetime membership in the NRA and his defense of the Second Amendment."

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/11/22/stealing-kennedy-conservatives-try-to-hijack-th/197020

:heh

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Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 12:20:41 PM

He wanted to cut the top tax rate from 90% to 70%. What a conservative!

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 22, 2013, 12:21:19 PM

I'm pretty sure they tried the same thing with MLK

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2013, 12:25:01 PM

Basically, anyone who is very popular, and also very dead, is a conservative hero.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2013, 12:32:46 PM

2016 campaign started today!

Quote

"I just have a Midwestern filter, that's the difference. I'm willing to speak out, but I'm not going to call you an idiot."

-- Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker (R), quoted by the AP, comparing himself with New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R).

I'm voting for the Midwestern values candidate.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 22, 2013, 12:33:03 PM

Quote from: Eric P on November 21, 2013, 02:52:24 PM

i love Democracy Now but it's basically "depressing shit daily"

The coverage of COP19 has been pretty  ":-\"

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 22, 2013, 01:21:47 PM

JFK - Commie socialist when alive, conservative in death.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on November 22, 2013, 01:30:17 PM

i dunno
warmongering racist who lowered taxes?  I can see where they're coming from

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 02:07:13 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ILqHSH4X_w

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2013, 02:10:26 PM

Just goes to show that conservative talking points really haven't changed much in the past...oh...one hundred years.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

"There's going to be a program this week against this bill, an English physician is going to come and talk about how bad their plans are. And it may be. But he ought to talk about it in England!"

:dead

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Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 22, 2013, 02:22:10 PM

Betraying the constitution and turning American sovereignty over to the United Nations, where have I heard that before?

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2013, 02:34:24 PM

Obama calling his favorite football play again

Quote from: WSJ

The Obama administration "is planning to push back the period during which Americans sign up for coverage under the new health law in its second year of operation, a change that could reassure insurers while also avoiding the 2014 midterm elections," the Wall Street Journal reports.

Such a shift "would ensure that Democrats facing tough re-election races next fall don't have to campaign at the same time as open enrollment is taking place, although some premium information would be already available during the campaign."

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 02:40:36 PM

http://openvault.wgbh.org/catalog/radio-484665-boston-symphony-audience-learns-of-the-death-of-jfk

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2013, 02:49:29 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 21, 2013, 03:29:14 PM

https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/403581600224776192

(http://i41.tinypic.com/330elhx.jpg)

Looks like Harry's got some hypocrisy of his own ...

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Here is the exchange with fellow Democrat Daschle, who was majority leader from 2001 to 2003:


Daschle: What was the nuclear option, and what likelihood is there that we’re going to have to face nuclear option-like questions again?


Reid: What the Republicans came up with was a way to change our country forever. They made a decision if they didn’t get every judge they wanted, every judge they wanted then they were going to make the Senate just like the House of Representatives. We would in fact have a unicameral legislature where a simple majority would determine whatever happens.

In the House of Representatives today, [Nancy] Pelosi’s the leader. Prior to that, it was [Dennis] Hastert. Whatever they wanted, Hastert or Pelosi, they get done. The rules over there allow that.

The Senate was set up to be different. That was the genius, the vision of our Founding Fathers, that this bicameral legislature which was unique, had two different duties. One was as Franklin said, to pour the coffee into the saucer and let it cool off. That’s why you have the ability to filibuster and to terminate filibuster.

They wanted to get rid of all that, and that’s what the nuclear option was all about.

Daschle: And is there any likelihood that we’re going to face circumstances like that again?

Reid: As long as I am the Leader, the answer’s no. I think we should just forget that. That is a black chapter in the history of the Senate. I hope we never, ever get to that again because I really do believe it will ruin our country. I said during that debate that in all my years in government, that was the most important thing I ever worked on.

'black chapter'? haha

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Whoa whoa whoa.

Politicians in leadership positions are hypocrites?  Guys this changes everything.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 03:03:49 PM

Senate fuckery is an issue where you could pull the "both sides" card without looking dumb. However only one side has taken obstruction of judicial and administration nominees to Olympian heights.

93 judicial vacancies....

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2013, 03:20:15 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2013, 02:49:29 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on November 21, 2013, 03:29:14 PM

https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/403581600224776192

(http://i41.tinypic.com/330elhx.jpg)

Looks like Harry's got some hypocrisy of his own ...

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Here is the exchange with fellow Democrat Daschle, who was majority leader from 2001 to 2003:


Daschle: What was the nuclear option, and what likelihood is there that we’re going to have to face nuclear option-like questions again?


Reid: What the Republicans came up with was a way to change our country forever. They made a decision if they didn’t get every judge they wanted, every judge they wanted then they were going to make the Senate just like the House of Representatives. We would in fact have a unicameral legislature where a simple majority would determine whatever happens.

In the House of Representatives today, [Nancy] Pelosi’s the leader. Prior to that, it was [Dennis] Hastert. Whatever they wanted, Hastert or Pelosi, they get done. The rules over there allow that.

The Senate was set up to be different. That was the genius, the vision of our Founding Fathers, that this bicameral legislature which was unique, had two different duties. One was as Franklin said, to pour the coffee into the saucer and let it cool off. That’s why you have the ability to filibuster and to terminate filibuster.

They wanted to get rid of all that, and that’s what the nuclear option was all about.

Daschle: And is there any likelihood that we’re going to face circumstances like that again?

Reid: As long as I am the Leader, the answer’s no. I think we should just forget that. That is a black chapter in the history of the Senate. I hope we never, ever get to that again because I really do believe it will ruin our country. I said during that debate that in all my years in government, that was the most important thing I ever worked on.

'black chapter'? haha

Reid's been pretty consistent in his desire to not use the nuclear option, going so far as to repeatedly accept Republican "promises" even though he knew they'd get broken as soon as the handshake ended. That he finally did do it says a lot about what he thinks about the two options Republicans have insisted on presenting him with.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 04:12:14 PM

One thing of note on this story, which I really think has been overlooked: this only applies to non SC judicial picks and cabinet/administration nominees. Typically the "nuclear option" was associated with a fullbore ending of the filibuster, as in "I wish Reid/Obama would trigger the nuclear option so they could pass a damn bill."

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2013, 05:05:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 04:12:14 PM

One thing of note on this story, which I really think has been overlooked: this only applies to non SC judicial picks and cabinet/administration nominees. Typically the "nuclear option" was associated with a fullbore ending of the filibuster, as in "I wish Reid/Obama would trigger the nuclear option so they could pass a damn bill."

It's not necessarily being overlooked, but it's presented within the context of "Whelp, Reid opened the floodgates, the next GOP Senate will totally abolish the filibuster completely to "punish" the Democrats."

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2013, 07:24:48 PM

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"Let's say, let's take 10 people in a room and they're a group," he said on his radio show. "And the room is made up of six men and four women. OK? The group has a rule that the men cannot rape the women. The group also has a rule that says any rule that will be changed must require six votes, of the 10, to change the rule.

"Every now and then, some lunatic in the group proposes to change the rule to allow women to be raped," he added. "But they never were able to get six votes for it. There were always the four women voting against it and they always found two guys."

"Well, the guy that kept proposing that women be raped finally got tired of it, and he was in the majority and he was one that [said], 'You know what? We're going to change the rule. Now all we need is five,'" he continued. "And well, 'you can't do that.' 'Yes we are. We're the majority. We're changing the rule.' And then they vote.

"Can the women be raped? Well, all it would take then is half of the room. You can change the rule to say three," he said. "You can change the rule to say three people want it, it's going to happen. There's no rule. When the majority can change the rules there aren't any."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rush-limbaugh-compares-changing-the-filibuster-to-rape-audio

 :heh

I want to be a black conservative. I could do this.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 22, 2013, 09:00:32 PM

Let's say, let's take 10 people in a room, and six of them are men and four of them are Rush Limbaugh's fat head. How long would it take for Rush Limbaugh to give up his ass for some oxycontin?

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2013, 09:45:30 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2013, 02:53:31 PM

Whoa whoa whoa.

Politicians in leadership positions are hypocrites?  Guys this changes everything.

You picked an odd time to get frustrated in a thread full of instances of politicians being hypocrites. Was this the one that finally broke you?

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 23, 2013, 11:21:13 PM

Quote from: Eric P on November 22, 2013, 01:30:17 PM

i dunno
warmongering racist who lowered taxes?  I can see where they're coming from

Racist?

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On his November 21 program, Limbaugh claimed that President Kennedy "was not in any way a liberal as you know liberals today," citing his support for tax cuts and the fact that he was "proud to be an American." He added that Kennedy "was not a big believer in the Civil Rights Act."

Wait, wait, wait. Rush is saying this as if it makes conservatives look good? :rofl

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 24, 2013, 12:02:30 AM

:drudge TURKEYGHAZI :drudge

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/11/obama-pardons-turkeys-then-they-die/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/11/obama-pardons-turkeys-then-they-die/)

Also there was some kind of deal with Iran or something.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2013, 12:04:56 AM

Kerry's on a roll
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/iran-nuclear-deal-reached

might as well call for a pre-emptive "Mandark explain" for Bibi's response.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 24, 2013, 12:19:23 AM

AXIS OF EVIL!!!!!

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 24, 2013, 12:36:08 AM

There goes our community organizer-in-chief again.

Ronald Reagan never would have made a deal with the Iranians. :smug

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 24, 2013, 04:24:07 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 22, 2013, 12:18:57 PM

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Breitbart.com senior editor at large Joel B. Pollak wrote that the Obama administration's efforts to negotiate a deal to limit Iran's nuclear capabilities "reject[] the lessons, and the principles, of the Kennedy legacy."

Uhh, are those, fuck everything up with bait attempts all over the globe then scramble to return to the status quo, including relying on joint-leverage with the Soviets, before some kind of global/major/nuclear war starts?

Quote from: Spencer on November 21, 2013, 02:44:04 PM

I've been listening to a lot of Democracy Now and a bit of the Thom Hartmann Program -- how do you guys rank these shows as sources of news and politics?

Hartmann has a pretty good array of guests and not horrible debate, but he's got some weird hang-ups where he goes way off into left field. (The ol' saying, not a political position.) I think he interrupts a bit too much, especially on those issues, but even in friendly discussions. On those hang-ups he'll get like a Hannity or O'Reilly who just browbeats them with how they're destroying America by allowing kids to eat fast food or whatever it is and allowing basically no response before he jumps on the next word they say that proves their evil agenda while burning forests of strawmen.

I think he's a little douchey like those two guys in general, but you can tell he works fairly hard at getting a more diverse set of guests for topics than most shows who often bring on the same five or six people endlessly.

Huh, no idea he grew up in Lansing. Was expelled from high school in the tenth grade.  :lol

Democracy Now! seems like it's either quite good or dear god why are they talking about this, where did they find these people?

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2013, 03:14:16 PM

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The per-capita income in Breathitt is about $15,000, and the rates of diabetes, hypertension and other health problems earned this part of Kentucky the nickname “Coronary Valley.”

Lively, who has been signing people up since the exchanges opened in early October, said one woman cried when she was told she qualified for Medicaid under the new law. She said people have been “pouring in” to her office, an unused exam room in the back of the clinic, where her set-up includes a table, a two-drawer filing cabinet, manila folders, a planner to track her schedule, a notebook to track her numbers and a laptop that connects to the state health-insurance exchange, Kynect.

Clinic doctors often send patients without insurance her way after their visits, but most come by word of mouth. Lively has signed up fathers who then sent their sons, and mothers who sent aunts. She signed up one Subway sandwich shop worker, and soon what seemed like the whole staff showed up.

Although she once had to dispel a rumor that enrolling involved planting a microchip in your arm, and though she avoids calling the new law “Obamacare” in a red state, most people need little persuading.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/in-rural-kentucky-health-care-debate-takes-back-seat-as-people-sign-up-for-insurance/2013/11/23/449dc6e0-5465-11e3-9e2c-e1d01116fd98_print.html

Another good article about how well Obamacare is working in Kentucky.

Makes me wonder how that story would be received if it was coming out of Detroit instead of a white, rural county in the south.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 24, 2013, 04:49:27 PM

Holy carp. I never thought I'd see an exchange between Bob Schieffer and a GOP congressman where the fucking GOP congressman comes off as less of a shithead:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-schieffer-to-gop-rep-is-iran-deal-diversionary-tactic-for-obama-admin/ (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/bob-schieffer-to-gop-rep-is-iran-deal-diversionary-tactic-for-obama-admin/)

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2013, 09:01:03 AM

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In a November 24 Weekly Standard blog, Fox News contributor and former UN Ambassador John Bolton wrote that "this interim agreement is badly skewed from America's perspective" and is "abject surrender by the United States."

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In a November 24 post on the Washington Post's Right Turn blog, Jennifer Rubin argued that the Iranian deal meant Iranian deal meant the United States is "in essence paying Iran $5 billion to $10 billion, which it can use to continue enriching and of course sponsoring terrorists."

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On his Facebook page, conservative radio host Mark Levin reacted to the deal by writing "Obama's destruction spreads worldwide: we surrender to Iran."

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Breitbart's Ben Shapiro denounced the Iran nuclear deal in a post titled "Worse Than Munich," as "the most ignominious moment in western foreign policy in decades," and compared it to British Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain's 1938 appeasement of Hitler in Munich."

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On the November 24 edition of Fox News Sunday, Fox News contributor George Will said that the Iran deal will result in the proliferation of nuclear weapons in the Middle East."

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On his Twitter account, Fox News contributor Erick Erickson responded to the deal by writing "Congratulations to Iran on its successful acquisition of the bomb."

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In a post on National Review Online, Daniel Pipes wrote that the Iran deal "will be remembered along with Munich," calling it a policy "disaster" for the Obama administration."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2013/11/24/worse-than-munich-conservative-media-react-to-i/197038

 :snoop

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2013, 09:16:50 AM

Must be a pretty good deal if the plebe pundits are raging. :obama

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 12:18:26 PM

Limbaugh says that the "Iran scandal" was done to distract from the "Obamacare scandal."

Perfect.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2013, 12:25:09 PM

The Iran scandal that has been being planned for more than a year? Remember last October when the AP reported Iran had come to a peace agreement with the United States, but the story was quickly dismissed by the White House? This has been going on for awhile, it's not like Obama decided last month to distract us all from Obamacare.  :lol

I "get" Rush making that argument. But having elected senators say it is just ridiculous.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 25, 2013, 12:40:57 PM

Good news for the Obama administration is just always gonna ruffle the same feathers

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2013, 12:45:51 PM

As we all know, however, the Obamacare scandal was just to distract us from Benghazi.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 12:48:26 PM

All these scandals are just to distract us from Obama's Kenyan birth.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 25, 2013, 12:52:13 PM

All the scandals are to distract us from deliberate economic sabotage.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 25, 2013, 01:29:06 PM

China's waving their dicks over those islands again (still) it would seem

http://swampland.time.com/2013/11/25/meanwhile-3500-miles-from-iran/

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2013, 01:30:32 PM

Economic sabotage is just to distract us from our worthless fiat money. Join the Ron Paul REVOLUTION and bring back the gold standard brehs.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on November 25, 2013, 03:21:49 PM

For future use (http://i.imgur.com/23cGI.gif)

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 05:16:42 PM

That Ben Shapiro piece (http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/11/24/Obama-worse-than-Munich) is greater than the snippet from mediamutters above:

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But in truth, the west’s appeasement of Iran is significantly worse than its appeasement of Hitler in 1938, for a variety of reasons. First, as of 1938, Hitler had not yet made clear his plans to exterminate European Jewry.

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Second, in 1938, Great Britain was dealing from a position of military weakness. After World War I, the anti-war British public insisted on large-scale military cuts – cuts opposed by then out-of-government figure Winston Churchill – that crippled its military readiness. Chamberlain’s deal was not merely an attempt to buy off Hitler; it was an attempt to buy Britain time to re-arm. Today’s Iran deal is precisely the opposite: an American government wants to slash its military, and wants to buy the Iranians time to secretly arm. America currently deals from a position of strength, and chooses weakness. Chamberlain dealt from a position of weakness, and wanted to give his own country time to build its strength.

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Desperate to misdirect from his failing signature program, Obamacare, and eager to earn his diplomatic laurels in his second term to placate his ego, President Obama’s Iran solution is just a convenient piece of a larger cowardly foreign policy. President Obama’s foreign policy over the last six months has “won” America the diplomatic victory of leaving a weapons of mass destruction-using dictator in power in Syria while shifting Russia into the Middle Eastern driver’s seat and donating American stockpiles to al Qaeda. Obama has undercut the secular Egyptian military regime in favor of the fascistic Muslim Brotherhood. American power in the Middle East has been effectively minimized.

But most of all, he has successfully vented his anti-Israel malice.

...

In 2012, Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel told Obama at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., “How is it that the Holocaust's No. 1 denier is still a president? He who threatens to use nuclear weapons -- to use nuclear weapons -- to destroy the Jewish state. We must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late…Mr. President, we are here in this place of memory. Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must be strong, just to defend its own survival and its own destiny.” Obama nodded along. Clearly, those words didn’t penetrate. They didn’t penetrate because Obama did not care.

EDIT:

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"Shapiro makes sweeping—and many would say absurd—charges that they promote atheism, absolute sexual freedom (including pedophilia and statutory rape, which are crimes), and rampant environmentalism."

His next book, Porn Generation: How Social Liberalism Is Corrupting Our Future, was published by another publisher in June 2005. In a summer reading feature by the conservative magazine National Review, Michelle Malkin recommended the book for advocating "valiantly on behalf of modesty in a flesh-baring world."

neat.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2013, 05:24:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 05:16:42 PM

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In 2012, Holocaust survivor Elie Wiesel told Obama at the Holocaust Museum in Washington D.C., “How is it that the Holocaust's No. 1 denier is still a president? He who threatens to use nuclear weapons -- to use nuclear weapons -- to destroy the Jewish state. We must know that when evil has power, it is almost too late…Mr. President, we are here in this place of memory. Israel cannot not remember. And because it remembers, it must be strong, just to defend its own survival and its own destiny.” Obama nodded along. Clearly, those words didn’t penetrate. They didn’t penetrate because Obama did not care.

Ahmadinejad isn't President of Iran anymore, though. :heh

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2013, 06:13:11 PM

He also said any Jew who voted for Obama should feel ashamed. Mandark, explain.

I get that there is little cherished middle ground on this issue. Still it has been truly amazing watching conservatives attempt to one-up each other with hyperbole, on an issue most Americans pretty much don't care about ("just keep us out of another war pls").

It's not good enough for Obama to be a typical liberal, appeasing enemies with diplomacy - which would be the typical way democrats are attacked. No, he must harbor malice against Israel and is actively working to get them annihilated. All while trying to systematically destroy the United States. As I've said before, there's nowhere else for that view to go except to charging Obama with treason or supporting a military coup. And this view is constantly being given lip service by elected officials and prominent republicans; it's not just dead enders like Sharpiro.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 06:22:05 PM

It is quite a step to go from using Munich as a warning or metaphor or part of the argument with Saddam, a tyrant who had murdered his own people, invaded and fired missiles at neighbors, etc. during the endless build up for that conflict to saying that an agreement that will probably change in six months and doesn't really alter the status quo much, is literally worse than Munich.

If the Republicans don't like it, maybe they should work to pass an AUMF regarding Iran...

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2013, 06:47:22 PM

Exactly. For six months, Iran can't make further progress towards a nuke and will allegedly work towards a more long term agreement that will further halt their nuclear weapon ambitions. This is worse than Munich...how exactly. Even if you don't like the deal, and I'd imagine some people have legitimate problems with it (hint: I haven't read any), the onus is on them to explain how this deal makes it more likely Iran will attain a nuclear weapon. If the deal fails, Iran goes back to building weapons with less enriched uranium than they once had, and the sanctions return/cripple their economy again. How does that equal=end times?

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 06:57:36 PM

Yeah, when I first saw the bitching I thought the agreement must have been to just drop sanctions or inspections or something and then I saw what was actually agreed to and I was like...wait, what? (On both sides, calling it worse than Munich and calling it this amazing historic peace deal.)

If they really want to attack Iran, just wait for them to break this agreement with their endless unbridled lust to nuke Israel that won't be able to take six months off and then you have a much better casus belli, no? In the meantime, get that authority for kinetic military action to Obama! Strengthen his hand!

EDIT: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/364739/munich-ii-james-jay-carafano

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The only “fact” offered so far to prove that the pact will lead to something other than a good deal for Iran is the blithe assurance that the deal was negotiated by really smart people who know what they are doing. After all . . .

The British think the deal with Iran makes sense. Then, again, it was a British government that believed Munich meant we could all get a good night’s sleep now.

The Russians laud the deal. But it was a government in Moscow that believed the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact solved all its problems.

Our White House likes this deal. But, our White House also thinks its policies in Iraq, Libya, Egypt, and Syria have been just super.

The cold fact about the Iranian nuclear freeze is this: Any diplomatic deal that is not grounded in shared interests or a common sense of justice will surely fail. There is no evidence Iran shares either with the West.

:lol

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2013, 07:37:21 PM

What would Iran even get out of nuking Israel? I mean, other than absolute destruction.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 07:48:41 PM

Look, you just don't understand realist foreign policy. See, the entire country of Iran is crazy and evil and in a doomsday cult, therefore the only solution is to end the sanctions and export them democracy.

IN A DOOMSDAY CULT

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on November 25, 2013, 10:22:57 PM

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What would Iran even get out of nuking Israel? I mean, other than absolute destruction

I'm also confused - seeing as everyone keeps going on about how Iran want to Nuke israel, that the first meaningful steps to stopping that happen are being decried by the Right wing -and- Israel!

I'm sure Israel will do it's best to stop this horrific spread of peace

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2013, 10:41:10 PM

John Bolton's explanation was that if we go down this path of diplomacy, Israel will be forced to bomb Iran first, so the only thing left to do is for us to bomb Iran first. Because that will contain the inevitable war to just Iran instead of the entire Middle East.

Remember, Iran is in a doomsday cult.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2013, 11:00:29 PM

Or, more likely, both Israel and the US are home to powerful groups that derive both money and power from keeping their respective countries in a state of fear/war and any efforts to reduce that state to peaceful normalcy is seen as a threat.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 26, 2013, 03:16:05 PM

Pope Francis  :obama

http://www.salon.com/2013/11/26/pope_francis_capitalism_is_a_new_tyranny/

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 26, 2013, 04:22:14 PM

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American Held Hostage For 444 Days In Iran Calls Nuke Deal ‘Foolishness’

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But for many of the 66 Americans who were held hostage for 444 days at the start of the Iranian revolution, trusting the regime in Tehran feels like a mistake.

“It’s kind of like Jimmy Carter all over again,” said Clair Cortland Barnes, now retired and living in Leland, N.C., after a career at the CIA and elsewhere. He sees the negotiations now as no more effective than they were in 1979 and 1980, when he and others languished, facing mock executions and other torments. The hostage crisis began in November of 1979 when militants stormed the United States Embassy in Tehran and seized its occupants.

Retired Air Force Col. Thomas E. Schaefer, 83, called the deal “foolishness.”

“My personal view is, I never found an Iranian leader I can trust,” he said. “I don’t think today it’s any different from when I was there. None of them, I think, can be trusted. Why make an agreement with people you can’t trust?”

...

For other hostages, though, their experience has led them to the conclusion that attempting to negotiate and expecting Iran to live up to its end of the bargain is a losing proposition. Sgt. Rodney “Rocky” Sickmann, 56, of St. Louis, then a Marine sergeant, remembers clearly being told by his captors that their goal was to use the hostages to humiliate the American government, and he suspects this interim deal is in that vein.

“It just hurts. We negotiated for 444 days and not one time did they agree to anything … and here they beg for us to negotiate and we do,” he said. “It’s hard to swallow. We negotiate with our enemies and stab our allies in the back. That doesn’t seem good.”

Patriotic Americans standing up to Neville Obama. :american

(http://www.drudgereport.com/onc.jpg)

Meanwhile, in the AP's very last paragraphs...oh:

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The deal may also have a direct effect on some of the hostages who have long fought to sue the Iranian government for damages. The new agreement calls for $4.2 billion in frozen Iranian assets to be released, which could make it more difficult to collect a judgment on any successful suit.

“And what do we get out of it?” asked Barnes. “A lie saying, ‘We’re not going to make plutonium.’ It’s a win-win for them and it’s a lose-lose for us.”

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 26, 2013, 04:30:23 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 26, 2013, 04:22:14 PM

Meanwhile, in the AP's very last paragraphs...oh:

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The deal may also have a direct effect on some of the hostages who have long fought to sue the Iranian government for damages. The new agreement calls for $4.2 billion in frozen Iranian assets to be released, which could make it more difficult to collect a judgment on any successful suit.

“And what do we get out of it?” asked Barnes. “A lie saying, ‘We’re not going to make plutonium.’ It’s a win-win for them and it’s a lose-lose for us.”

 :neogaf

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 26, 2013, 04:57:30 PM

Eschalon, explain
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/ba30bc80e6727f64171fdd6e6b28305d/tumblr_mww4pph2Cv1qbryjbo1_1280.jpg)

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 29, 2013, 01:36:00 PM

Sorry for giving you the Gabron/Gaborn treatment breh

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2013, 12:37:42 PM

I'm no fan of the Catholic Church, but all sads that Pope Francis has been giving the right wing nutters almost makes up for some the kiddy diddling.

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/02/rush-limbaugh-vs-the-pope/?hpt=hp_t2

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 02, 2013, 02:14:44 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaZ_xtUCEAEED_k.jpg:large)

Stupid Democrats owned again.

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2013, 05:58:46 PM

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RNC @GOP
Today we remember Rosa Parks’ bold stand and her role in ending racism.
8:58 AM - 1 Dec 2013

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RNC @GOP
Previous tweet should have read "Today we remember Rosa Parks' bold stand and her role in fighting to end racism."
12:35 PM - 1 Dec 2013

:neogaf

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 02, 2013, 06:53:03 PM

Talk about ignorant, Parks was like a full 30 years before the real end of racism, the first airing of The Cosby Show

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on December 02, 2013, 08:10:15 PM

A significant drop in the unemployment rate here soon!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/12/02/unemployment-benefits-will-soon-expire-for-2-1-million-workers-where-will-they-go/

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2013, 09:43:02 PM

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/12/02/nsa-sent-home-talking-points-for-employees-to-use-in-conversations-with-family-friends-during-holidays/

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The “talking points” sheet suggests that employees make five key points: (1) NSA’s mission is of great value to the Nation”; (2) NSA performs its mission the right way—lawful, compliant and in a way that protects civil liberties and privacy; (3) NSA performs its mission exceptionally well. We strive to be the best that we can be, because that’s what America requires as part of its defense in a dangerous world; (4) The people who work for NSA are loyal Americans with expert skills who make sacrifices to help protect the freedoms we all cherish; (5) NSA is committed to increased transparency, public dialog and faithful implementation of any changes required by our overseers.

:lol Reminds me of this: http://www.barackobama.com/health-care-holidays/

EDIT:
oh god: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/general-bill-o%E2%80%99reilly-declares-the-official-start-of-the-war-on-the-war-on-christmas%E2%84%A2/

oh god: http://www.mediaite.com/online/organizing-for-action-asks-followers-to-hold-newtown-anniversary-events/

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 03, 2013, 04:05:16 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/alec-funding-crisis-big-donors-trayvon-martin

ALEC FALLING ON HARD TIMES


ALEC facing funding crisis from donor exodus in wake of Trayvon Martin row
• Rightwing lobby group appealing to major donors to return
• Internal documents reveal so-called 'Prodigal Son Project'
• Network lost almost 400 state legislators over past two years

An influential US lobbying network of Republican politicians and big businesses is seeking to avert a looming funding crisis by appealing to major donors that have abandoned it over the past two years following criticism of its policy on gun laws.

The Guardian has learned that the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), which shapes and promotes legislation at state level across the US, has identified more than 40 lapsed corporate members it wants to attract back into the fold under a scheme referred to in its documents as the "Prodigal Son Project".

The target firms include commercial giants such as Amazon, Coca-Cola, General Electric, Kraft, McDonald's and Walmart, all of which cut ties with the group following the furore over the killing of the unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in Florida in February 2012.

much more at the link including how ALEC will try to rebrand as the Jeffersonian project to try and get back on the payroll

edit: oh god the documents included are gold y'all

just tldr the annotations
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/841593-alec-docs.html#annotation/a134830

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 03, 2013, 04:05:47 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXXaj--a6-4

Title: Re: HARRY REID NUCLEAR OPTIONGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2013, 04:37:53 PM

Quote from: Eric P on December 03, 2013, 04:05:16 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/03/alec-funding-crisis-big-donors-trayvon-martin

ALEC FALLING ON HARD TIMES


ALEC facing funding crisis from donor exodus in wake of Trayvon Martin row
• Rightwing lobby group appealing to major donors to return
• Internal documents reveal so-called 'Prodigal Son Project'
• Network lost almost 400 state legislators over past two years

An influential US lobbying network of Republican politicians and big businesses is seeking to avert a looming funding crisis by appealing to major donors that have abandoned it over the past two years following criticism of its policy on gun laws.

The Guardian has learned that the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), which shapes and promotes legislation at state level across the US, has identified more than 40 lapsed corporate members it wants to attract back into the fold under a scheme referred to in its documents as the "Prodigal Son Project".

The target firms include commercial giants such as Amazon, Coca-Cola, General Electric, Kraft, McDonald's and Walmart, all of which cut ties with the group following the furore over the killing of the unarmed black teenager Trayvon Martin in Florida in February 2012.

much more at the link including how ALEC will try to rebrand as the Jeffersonian project to try and get back on the payroll

edit: oh god the documents included are gold y'all

just tldr the annotations
http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/841593-alec-docs.html#annotation/a134830

I'd say good fucking riddance, but I know those cockroaches will find someway to survive.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2013, 05:16:24 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/12/02/1259659/-World-AIDS-Day-From-the-Reagan-White-House-to-the-Obama-White-House-nowhere-to-go-but-up

:bow Our first gay President :bow2

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2013, 06:21:41 PM

http://www.mlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/11/post_93.html

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[Mark] McFarlin is a Democrat running for governor from Bay County. He’s doing it without the blessing of the big shots in his party. He’s doing it without much money, name identification, and most would agree, not much of a chance of wrestling the nomination away from fellow Democrat Mark Schauer.

So when the underdog was asked to appear on statewide Public TV, he likely dropped everything he was dong to gobble up some free media. And he made news, perhaps without knowing it.

...

“Have you ever voted for a Republican?” the Democrat was asked.

“Yes, Mitt Romney,” he revealed while adding he had two chances to vote for Barack Obama and did not.

Now he had every correspondent’s attention as he launches into his assertion that Mr. Obama is not a citizen of the United States.

Donald Trump, step-aside.

Asked if he believed Mr. O. was born in Hawaii, he said, “No.”

Asked if he believed Mr. O. was born in the United States, he said. “No.”

As a private investigator, Mr. McFarlin argues the document the White House issued to
end this never-ending flap is suspect.

How’s so?

He claims the term “African-American” appears on the line for race on the birth certificate and Mr. McFarlin says at the time Mr. Obama was born the term was not in use. He argues the term should have been “Negro.”

Finally, someone who is ready to represent and provide leadership for the people of Michigan. Too bad the big wigs aren't going to let him speak truth to power.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2013, 09:30:50 PM

in b4 "Phoenix Dark, explain"

I got nothin :yeshrug

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2013, 09:49:05 PM

Oh yeah- I successfully signed up for healthcare last week through healthcare.gov.  Got my confirmation letter from BlueCross BlueShield of NC on Monday, just have to send in my (heavily subsidized) first month's payment and I'm good to go.

THANKS OBAMA.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 03, 2013, 11:42:13 PM

Congrats on buying the Best Buy 2 year service plan.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2013, 11:59:45 PM

:wag

Got a silver plan, dog.  Cheap co-pays, low deductible, can see specialists without a referral. 

:whew

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2013, 08:48:02 AM

So spit it out Triumph. Did you do it because you had to or did you do it because you were finally able to acquire health insurance at a reasonable price?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 04, 2013, 10:22:09 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on December 04, 2013, 08:48:02 AM

So spit it out Triumph. Did you do it because you had to or did you do it because you were finally able to acquire health insurance at a reasonable price?

The plan I signed up for is $270 or so a month without subsidies; I'm paying roughly $40 of that.  No fucking way on earth I would sign up for it if I couldn't afford it, I think the fine is something paltry like $90 or $100 the first year.  I'd pay the fine.

If NC had expanded medicaid, I'd probably qualify for that, but out governor is a fucktard that's basically given the operation of the entire state government over to the lunatic, libertopian owner of Family Dollar, so that ain't happening.  I'll almost certainly have to be reassessed when I get an actual job next summer after graduating, but I imagine that whatever said job is will have a health care plan as part of the benefits.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2013, 10:39:53 AM

That sounds terrible. I'm sure we will get to read your whole horror story over at drudge later today.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2013, 11:38:41 AM

One of my part time sales guys has insurance for the first time in like 4 years.  THANKS OBAMA

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 04, 2013, 12:20:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/4iKsetH.jpg)
 :patel

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2013, 12:39:03 PM

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0SJUZobSg6Q/UQDtfTL0DeI/AAAAAAAAa68/kUl0e6wTkrk/s1600/flyer_dfallas_1963.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2013, 01:43:14 PM

If that's what JFK would look like today, they can have him.

I'm not talking about the politics, I'm talking about that drawing. :yuck

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2013, 02:25:15 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2013, 01:43:14 PM

If that's what JFK would look like today, they can have him.

I'm not talking about the politics, I'm talking about that drawing. :yuck

Wow, give the guy a break he was shot in the head.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 04, 2013, 02:27:59 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 04, 2013, 02:25:15 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2013, 01:43:14 PM

If that's what JFK would look like today, they can have him.

I'm not talking about the politics, I'm talking about that drawing. :yuck

Wow, give the guy a break he was shot in the head.

There's some low hanging fruit about having your brains blown out qualifying you to be a member of the Tea Party, but I'll leave it be.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 05, 2013, 11:45:34 AM

what in the holy fuck?

http://www.mhpbooks.com/linus-and-ann-coulter-perfect-together-peanuts-signs-with-regnerys-little-patriot-press/

In a blow to the forces of failure, ineradicable dirtiness, hopeless love, art-for-art’s sake, and Walter Mitty-esque fantasies everywhere, the Peanuts franchise has signed a deal with Regnery Publishing, Inc., otherwise known as the publishers of Newt Gingrich, Ann Coulter, Dinesh D’Souza, Michelle Malkin, and Chuck Norris.

Regnery’s imprint, Little Patriot Press, which publishes books for children ages 5-8 years old, licensed the rights to use the Peanuts characters in a series of books about American history, civics, and, presumably, being a Little Patriot. It’s kicking it off in fall 2014 with three books about American inventors and explorers, to be followed by approximately nine more of these travesties.

The Little Patriot Press is a relatively new addition to the Regnery stable: it was founded three years ago, and up til now has been publishing books by the husband-and-wife writer-and-illustrator team of Peter and Cheryl Barnes. The Barneses got their start in children’s book publishing in the ‘90s (after running some Jenny Craig franchises into the ground) with a series of books about vacation sites (Nat, Nat, the Nantucket Cat, etc), but they hit a goldmine when they came up with a mice-and-Washington combination and sold over half a million in paperback editions through Scholastic. Their books featuring Woodrow G. Washingtail and other mice are currently the core of Little Patriot Press; the Peanuts deal is the house’s first license.

Little Patriot’s aims are clearly prophylactic — on their “About” page, they write:

    Children today are exposed to current events and politics at increasingly earlier ages. That’s why Regnery Publishing launched Little Patriot Press…

And now it seems that the Peanuts characters have been enlisted in this patriotic venture. Regnery’s president and publisher Marji Ross pretty much spelled it all out in a press release announcing the deal:

    “Who better than Snoopy, Charlie Brown, Linus, and the rest of the Peanuts gang to help teach children about what makes America strong, and the lessons we have learned over the past 250 years? We are delighted to be working with such a trusted and beloved brand… and look forward to publishing books that become great teaching tools—as well as family treasures.”

Which begs the question, has she ever read a Peanuts strip? While it’s possible — just possible — that Lucy van Pelt could be reclaimed by the right as an example of plucky individualism and tough love, there’s no redeeming the rest of those perpetual no-hopers.

Consider Snoopy: he is a dog with writerly ambitions who lives in a fantasy world and speaks French. Or Schroeder, with his single-minded devotion to Beethoven, his disdain for traditional marriage, and his knowledge of the works of Thomas Hardy.

And of course, Charlie Brown is the very embodiment of everything that has never made America strong and all the lessons we have never learned. With Charlie Brown at the helm, we would still be wandering around in the Massachusetts woods; our baseball teams would lose; our football teams would lose; all of our attempts at flight would have ended up in the Kite-Eating Tree; we’d be prematurely bald, bad at swearing, and equipped with a sense of perpetual victimhood. Brown is the Great American Depressive, and I for one am loath to let him serve some rah-rah agenda.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2013, 11:49:49 AM

Perfect for the kid that's already read Rush Revere and The Brave Pilgrims cover-to-cover a hundred times and is itching for more!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

right wing nutjobs stahp, we'll let you cut medicare and SS, just no more pls  :stahp

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 05, 2013, 11:53:48 AM

Good grief.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Somebody had to.



Also, this made me actually lol

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The Barneses got their start in children’s book publishing in the ‘90s (after running some Jenny Craig franchises into the ground) with a series of books about vacation sites (Nat, Nat, the Nantucket Cat, etc),

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 05, 2013, 12:46:02 PM

(http://mlblogsphilliesphollowers.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/augh1.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2013, 12:53:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nuBtA7j.gif)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 05, 2013, 12:56:21 PM

I dunno. When you already publish the peanut gallery, the next likely move would be to get the Peanuts.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 05, 2013, 03:34:16 PM

it's almost like ALEC is a bunch of buttholes

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/04/alec-freerider-homeowners-assault-clean-energy

An alliance of corporations and conservative activists is mobilising to penalise homeowners who install their own solar panels – casting them as "freeriders" – in a sweeping new offensive against renewable energy, the Guardian has learned.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on December 05, 2013, 03:37:32 PM

Rent-seeking cunts.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2013, 03:42:29 PM

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Eick dismissed the suggestion that individuals who buy and install home-based solar panels had made such investments. "How are they going to get that electricity from their solar panel to somebody else's house?" he said. "They should be paying to distribute the surplus electricity."

:neogaf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 05, 2013, 03:46:17 PM

That has to be near peak distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. I don't know how it can get worse than that.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on December 05, 2013, 04:12:26 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/04/are-you-aware-your-daughter-is-with-two-black-men-police-accused-of-racial-profiling-after-taking-white-teen-from-black-legal-guardian/

yeah - Glenn Beck etc etc - but christ - how many of these stories are happening these days? It seems to be daily.

But christ - the comments section. I honestly cannot tell the difference between Conservative Christian opinion and that of the Taliban. They're basically the same.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2013, 05:08:58 PM

:beli

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2013, 08:26:47 PM

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This is not racial profiling. SHE IS A 13 YEAR OLD GIRL WITH 2 OLDER MEN. Black or no black, but especially because they are black. What the helll was the cop supposed to do? It’s common sense. THIRTEEN YEARS OLD.

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Sending your 13 year old daughter alone to be with people they don’t even know? Did I read that right? DUMB!!!!

You read it right. They sent their 13 year old daughter from tulsa to Houston with two men to dance in a rap video. Gee….what could go wrong?

CPS should do a little more digging on this one I think.

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Yeah, I don’t care whether these people are black, asian, white, hispanic, native amarican or martians…you don’t let your 13 year old daughter hang out with a 29 and 22 year olds by herself…that’s just unthinkable. However, just knowing the statistical data involving the black community it’s much more likely something could happen with your underage daughter who hangs out with two black adults…that’s just a statistical fact. Sad but true.

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What relationship to victims of sexual assault is most frequently the case, perp is a total stranger?
NO! It is usually the proverbial “well known friends” or relatives of the victim.

There’s always that tearful moment during the news interview where they express shock that this could happen to their child because; this was a trusted friend of the family.
Do you suppose that someone who has legitimate businesses of dance studios don’t turn out to be perps?
What, are you thinking – that everyone who commits an assault is unemployed or independently wealthy, so these two guys would never do anything like that to their daughter? Wow!

Someone explain to us why Mom or Dad couldn’t go on this really-really-really important trip with the Daughter? Is it because they both were working and just didn’t want to take the time off? Whoa, now there’s a priority.

I think I’m getting old. My memory seems to be working too well which I’m pretty sure just can’t be the case at my age.
Cops should apologize for questioning the parents sanity and skills, but then say nothing more when something bad happens. I told you so just won’t cover it.

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You fool, all the black churches are SUPREMACIST. The are full of black racists who HATE US.

You think that racism in black churches is as rare as the Westboro church? No, it isn’t, anti-white hatred is the PREVAILING THEME almost all black churches, and among almost all black people. Sorry you can’t handle the truth. Everybody on earth is racist except you and lot of other whites in denial.

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Since when is it “Christian” to jig around and grind your hips in a sexual way and call it dance? What kind of IDIOT parents would send a 13 year old to a city far away with 2 unelated adult males of ANY race ??? How stupid can they be..it boggles the mind.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2013, 08:29:18 PM

THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS, BREH.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2013, 08:36:46 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2013, 08:29:18 PM

THIRTEEN YEAR OLDS, BREH.

WITH TWO BLACK MEN!

They may as well have just thrown her straight into a rape pit.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2013, 08:38:37 PM

Just know the statistical data, it's a statistical fact.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2013, 08:51:32 PM

I'd certainly take pause if I saw two black guys with a 13yo white girl at 3AM, especially if they were looking for a hotel; same if I saw two white guys and a 13yo black girl. Whereas if I saw two black guys and a 13yo black girl at the same time, I'd assume they were related.

:yeshrug

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 05, 2013, 10:28:37 PM

Like the guy said, it wasn't a bad thing that the cop were initially suspicious, it's that they continued to be suspicious even after the proper papers were produced and the parents were called.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2013, 11:02:50 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/gop-men-tutored-in-running-against-women-100701.html

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The National Republican Congressional Committee wants to make sure there are no Todd Akin-style gaffes next year, so it’s meeting with top aides of sitting Republicans to teach them what to say — or not to say — on the trail, especially when their boss is running against a woman.

Speaker John Boehner is serious, too. His own top aides met recently with Republican staff to discuss how lawmakers should talk to female constituents.

“Let me put it this way, some of these guys have a lot to learn,” said a Republican staffer who attended the session in Boehner’s office

There have been “multiple sessions” with the NRCC where aides to incumbents were schooled in “messaging against women opponents,” one GOP aide said.
...

“Some of our members just aren’t as sensitive as they ought to be,” Boehner said.

Speaking of being sensitive to women:
http://www.thewire.com/politics/2013/12/president-clinton-doodled-male-genitalia-we-think-and-it-was-glorious/355840/
(http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/upload/wire/2013/12/05/Screen_Shot_2013_12_05_at_1.26.40_PM/lead_large.png)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 06, 2013, 02:22:37 PM

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Politico notes that with so much riding on the line with the implementation of the Affordable Care Act, "one would assume" President Obama "held weekly, if not daily, one-on-one meetings with his Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius to isolate problems, challenge assumptions, apply executive pressure where needed and successfully manage a project of scale."

"A new Government Accountability Institute (GAI) analysis finds that from July 12, 2010, to Nov. 30, 2013, the president's public schedule records zero one-on-one meetings between Obama and Sebelius. Equally shocking, over the same period, the president's calendar lists 277 private meetings with his other Cabinet secretaries (excluding full Cabinet meetings)."

I guess we  can't hold Obama accountable for this roll out. He really was in the dark.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/the-zero-meeting-president-100767.html?ml=m_t2_2h

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2013, 02:56:22 AM

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/politics-nation/n44022

 :rofl

EDIT: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/12/08/snl_spoofs_msnbcs_al_sharpton_talking_about_healthcare_point_gov.html for alternative embed

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on December 10, 2013, 09:14:03 AM

:drudge

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbILXalCcAESVOd.jpg:large)

:ussrcry

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2013, 09:21:13 AM

:obama

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 10, 2013, 09:46:30 AM

literally palling around with terrorists at a terrorist's funeral

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2013, 01:00:50 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbIsT9ZIQAAsXRj.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbIr930CIAASLZ8.jpg)
:dead

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 10, 2013, 01:08:53 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on December 10, 2013, 01:14:32 PM

 :lol at switching seats

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2013, 01:23:13 PM

:whew

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2013, 01:59:02 PM

FUCK YOU PD, I CAME IN HERE TO POST THAT

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2013, 02:26:05 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/12/american-society-police-state-criminalization-militarization

:drudge :drudge :drudge

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2013, 02:38:38 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BbI8bnTCIAAWFbx.png:medium)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 10, 2013, 02:39:40 PM

:lol

The comments on the mother jones article are comedy

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2013, 03:09:01 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5FxIEo5xXs#t=207

 :whew

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on December 10, 2013, 04:06:45 PM

Mother Jones comments - bwaaaaaaaaaaahahahaha

I just learned that Nazi's are left liberals because NATIONAL SOCIALISTS .... bwahahahaha. And even better is the whole "Do you not know what NAZI stands for?!" because, hey, only the name counts and not the acts - but the whole feeling of THIS IS THE SUM OF MY KNOWLEDGE is pretty darn entertaining.

Also fun to see right wingers fingerwag Obama for not repealing the Patriot Act - good lord, could you imagine the uproar from the same people if he'd tried?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2013, 06:18:50 PM

Noted RINO Paul Ryan has capitulated and actually governed, so there's apparently a budget deal about to be announced


http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ryan-murray-to-announce-budget-deal

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2013, 06:30:33 PM

It's quite a chickenshit deal but hey, it's a deal.

It's amazing that republicans can't stomach event a 1 cent tax increase considering Obama is on record being willing to give them ridiculous entitlement reforms. A smarter republican party could have fleeced him ages ago. Thank god for GOP absolutism.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2013, 06:43:47 PM

Quote

"It gives Raul some propaganda to continue to prop up his dictatorial, brutal regime, that's all," McCain said of the handshake between the two world leaders that took place at a memorial service for Nelson Mandela.

When asked if Obama should have extended his hand, McCain was quick to respond.

"Of course not," the senator said. "Why should you shake hands with somebody who's keeping Americans in prison? I mean, what's the point?"

Then, after a slight pause, McCain went there.

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler," he added.

(http://www.drudgereport.com/onc.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 10, 2013, 06:48:39 PM

Obama's just being Neville Chamberlain all over the place.  The poor Czechs in Bohemia and Moravia probably heard this and were all "Another Munich, with Castro?  Fuck, now we'll have to learn Spanish."

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2013, 06:49:37 PM

(http://whowhatwhy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tweet-mccain-libya.png)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on December 10, 2013, 06:54:50 PM

I was looking for that!

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2013, 08:08:29 PM

Go to bed, Grampa.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2013, 09:33:16 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 10, 2013, 06:43:47 PM

"Neville Chamberlain shook hands with Hitler," he added.

I wish there was a gif of Obama doing the Banderas meme, because I would post it right here. It's been 5 years, but Granpa McCain is still salty AS FUCK. :lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 11, 2013, 01:56:50 AM

Could be all the drugs made me a commie terrorist socialist or something, but anyone else intrigued by the idea of a minimum income? Not wage, but just income for being an alive person. I mean, the problem is framed as theres not enough jobs, doesnt that mean theres already enough people working? So isn't the problem really that we have no other plans for the people who dont contribute to the work force? Bu-bu-bu no one would work if they didn't have to! Bullshit, people are greedy as fuck and advertisement has them by the balls, they'll work so they can have what the TV tells them to buy or whatever they need to feel like they belong, or to impress, etc. The difference being if they don't work, they don't die of hunger, they don't committed poverty driven crimes, they're not homeless. I would bet there would be more volunteering and non profit activity. The arts would benefit which helps progress society. Anyway I'm drunk.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2013, 02:05:48 AM

You're Bruce Barlett (http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/12/10/rethinking-the-idea-of-a-basic-income-for-all/)?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtpgkX588nM

Hayek and Gary Johnson among others too...

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 11, 2013, 02:09:45 AM

That's actually not just a crazy drunk idea.  It's something that's been kicked around for decades in one form or another.  Milton Friedman (boo! hiss!) proposed a version of it.  There are arguments for why it would be better than the current welfare system that appeal to academic types (mostly that it alleviates poverty without messing around with markets too much).

Can't see it happening in the US in my lifetime, and I imagine it'd be a harder sell in the EU as a whole than it would have been in the individual countries.  You know the Germans are going to see it as propping up the lazy Mediterranean countries.


edit: beaten to the punch by benji

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 11, 2013, 02:20:59 AM

Definitely reading up on that, thanks guys!

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2013, 02:57:04 AM

The primary benefits to it as seen from the evolutionary libertarian perspective (and other perspectives, but this is to explain why the Friedmans and Johnsons see value in the idea) are for one thing you can do away with a lot of dead weight costs from the bureaucracy. The current system is a bunch of different programs, all with their own rules, regulators, investigators, processors, etc. Under one of these other systems you would mostly just have a department to send out checks/prebates/whatever. The idea being to use made up numbers that in the current system any money that comes into a welfare program 75% goes to pay for the overhead costs and then 25% gets out to the needy, whereas one of these systems might reverse that.

Another is seen from freeing from those rigid programs is the flexibility you started to talk about and Mandark mentioned. Currently with many of these programs there are restrictions involved, you can only buy certain things or you have only set amounts that you have to spend or you lose it or if you make one dollar too much in income or something else you can lose half or all of the benefits. Whereas under a system where it's mostly no-strings attached money you can have people who don't need say $500 a month in food spending that under another program they might have incentive to spend because it's use it or lose it, now they can maybe save money or pay for classes or invest in some other manner as what they see as in their best interests.

The knowledge that some people WILL just spend it on drugs and alcohol and Xbones and spend all day writing horrible music or painting terrible art is offset by the notion that there are people trapped in the current system who cannot escape it without tremendous immediate costs to themselves that make them worse off by "bettering themselves" and these more streamlined and flexible systems would avoid. Plus, the current system doesn't stop a lot of this "bad" behavior and has the aforementioned dead weight on top.

I think it's a political non-starter because there's too many interests aligned against it. The bureaucracy that manages the existing and potential other programs doesn't want to lose their jobs/money/power/etc. Voters would be upset, as they often are currently, because those fucking free loaders aren't spending on the RIGHT THINGS* like Bibles and GRAINS. And like say, the tax code or the rest of the regulatory system, there's the loss of power that comes from the ability to reward various interests that you get in more complex and opaque systems along with any freeing of dependencies that helps let you be seen as the giver of the plenty.

Of course, it's still theft so  :gun

*Which if you ever look at your state's say WIC allowances they aren't always doing in the first place. Michigan for example only in the last decade really started to shift away from basically letting parents buy as much cereal and similar as they want but limiting to like one snacks worth of fruits and vegetables and eggs. Now you can buy so many fucking eggs with WIC you'll have Bane for a kid in no time.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2013, 03:11:33 AM

Here's another recent article that probably explains more clearly and/or better than I and covers the same ground written in response to a recent Swiss proposal to provide $2800 a month to every adult: http://reason.com/archives/2013/11/26/scrap-the-welfare-state-give-people-free

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However, it is worth considering that, as Peter Ferrara pointed out in Forbes, the Census Bureau estimates that our total welfare spending is four times the amount that would be needed to lift all Americans currently living in poverty above the poverty line by giving them cash.

In 2008, Charles Murray wrote that a guaranteed income for all American adults over the age of 21 who are not in prison of $10,000 a year that would replace all current welfare programs as well as agricultural subsidies and corporate welfare would be cheaper than maintaining the current welfare system in the coming decades.

And to include this because I couldn't think of the exact term but was getting so close: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_trap
And since I think it's highly related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_trap

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 11, 2013, 08:50:22 AM

http://popwatch.ew.com/2013/12/09/time-2013-poty-finalists/

Bashar Assad, president of Syria

Jeff Bezos, Amazon founder

Ted Cruz, Texas senator

Miley Cyrus, singer

Pope Francis, leader of the Catholic Church

Barack Obama, president of the United States

Hassan Rouhani, president of Iran

Kathleen Sebelius, secretary of Health and Human Services

Edward Snowden, NSA whistleblower

Edith Windsor, gay-rights activist

 :comeon :gurl :picard :paul :wtf

Just wtf did cruz to to positively influence the world this year? :pacspit
If cruz can get nominated, why isn't zimmerman on the list?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2013, 09:34:20 AM

You know who else got Person of the Year?


































Ben Bernanke.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Also Hitler.

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on December 11, 2013, 05:33:43 PM

assad, miley cyrus, jeff bezos, and edward snowden were all in consideration for person of the year? ffs why does anyone waste breath talking about this shit rag again?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2013, 07:07:35 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9bgWNF6Xxk

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2013, 07:29:21 PM

The GOP can't lose control of the House quickly enough.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 08:03:07 PM

ie after 2020.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 11, 2013, 09:21:02 PM

Well for any political party, it's kind of pointless to only have control of the House. In 2016, if Hillary or some other Dem wins, Republicans will know they have to soften up if they ever want to push forward any legislation ever again rather than just trying to block things and get what they want through debt ceiling negotiations.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 11, 2013, 09:28:23 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on December 11, 2013, 09:21:02 PM

Well for any political party, it's kind of pointless to only have control of the House. In 2016, if Hillary or some other Dem wins, Republicans will know they have to soften up if they ever want to push forward any legislation ever again rather than just trying to block things and get what they want through debt ceiling negotiations.

You just tried to ascribe reason to the House GOP, which may be the dumbest thing I've ever heard from you, which is saying a lot. A LOT.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2013, 09:40:31 PM

The House GOP is controlled by people who view compromise on the same level as treason, and the ones who don't are being primaried right now by ones who do.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 09:43:29 PM

but both sides are the same

:willco

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 11, 2013, 10:25:10 PM

Assuming their main priority is to be reelected, they'll eventually have to change. And after 2020, it'll be too late to change (new maps being drawn up).

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2013, 10:38:33 PM

Their main goal is to stall long enough for them to retake the Senate and the White House.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2013, 10:44:58 PM

someone PLEASE save me from this stupid SAVE TEXAS FROM TURNING BLUE ad on yt. I've bitched about it before, but IT'S STILL HERE.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 10:46:40 PM

The obnoxious "Texas is gonna turn blue, guys" shit on Daily Kos is more annoying. Dems will get blown out next year in Texas. I like Wendy Davis, I'd wife her, but she gonna lose.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2013, 11:08:00 PM

Gotta start somewhere.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 12:31:32 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 10:46:40 PM

Dems will get blown out next year in Texas. I like Wendy Davis, I'd wife her

I'm sure the latter would help change the former.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on December 12, 2013, 02:48:23 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 12, 2013, 12:31:32 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 10:46:40 PM

Dems will get blown out next year in Texas. I like Wendy Davis, I'd wife her

I'm sure the latter would help change the former.

Sarcasm? And yes, I looked up Wendy Davis. She's a cutie pie.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2013, 12:52:29 PM

Can we change the title of this thread to "SELFIEGHAZI!" to reflect the current state of American politics?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2013, 12:59:32 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/12/news/economy/military-pensions-budget/index.html?iid=Lead

Quote

House budget chief Rep. Paul Ryan's website states that military retirement "provides an exceptionally generous benefit, often providing 40 years of pension payments in return for 20 years of service," as it explains why benefits should be trimmed.

In other words, "Suck it, takers. You are lucky I let you have anything at all."

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2013, 01:32:34 PM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2013/12/wall-street-white-house-republicans-lament-of-the-plutocrats-101047.html

:violin

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2013, 01:58:47 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on December 12, 2013, 12:59:32 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2013/12/12/news/economy/military-pensions-budget/index.html?iid=Lead

Quote

House budget chief Rep. Paul Ryan's website states that military retirement "provides an exceptionally generous benefit, often providing 40 years of pension payments in return for 20 years of service," as it explains why benefits should be trimmed.

Let's start by trimming pensions for retired Congresspeople first, then.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2013, 02:41:08 PM

Quote from: http://nypost.com/2013/12/12/obamas-flirt-with-danish-prime-minister-is-a-disgrace/

Maybe he went into sugar shock over a Danish pastry.

The president of the United States, leader of the free world, standard-bearer for everything upright, good and wholesome about the nation he leads, lost his morality, his dignity and his mind, using the solemn occasion of Nelson Mandela’s memorial service Tuesday to act like a hormone-ravaged frat boy on a road trip to a strip bar.

In front of 91 world leaders, the mourning nation of South Africa and Obama’s clearly furious wife, Michelle, the president flirted, giggled, whispered like a recalcitrant child and made a damn fool of himself at first sight of Denmark’s voluptuously curvy and married prime minister, Helle Thorning-Schmidt.

Not to be outdone by the president’s bad behavior, the Danish hellcat hiked up her skirt to expose long Scandinavian legs covered by nothing more substantial than sheer black stockings.

With Michelle glowering, the world judging and mental fidelity floating into the abyss, the president leaned into the air space of the cross-legged Danish cupcake, who is known in Copenhagen as a fan of America’s randy TV show “Sex and the City.’’ It was the memorial equivalent of a bodice-ripper.

Thorning-Schmidt placed her hands dangerously close to Obama’s side. The president’s cackling head moved inches from the Danish tart’s and yards away from his wife’s. Obama then proceeded to absorb body heat from the Dane, which he won’t be feeling at home for a long time.

This wasn’t a key party. This was a service that filled an entire Johannesburg soccer stadium for Mandela, the great leader who freed his people out of racial oppression and died last Thursday at age 95.

He was a man who Obama compared at the memorial to Abraham Lincoln, Mahatma Gandhi and Dr. Martin Luther King. And here was the president, publicly behaving as if he was plotting his next hook-up.

It was unseemly.

Michelle frowned and looked as if she wanted to spit acid at the man she married, a good-time guy who humiliated her in front of their friends, the world and a blonde bimbo who hadn’t the sense to cover up and keep it clean.

Finally, Obama posed for an iPhone selfie with the Danish hottie and British Prime Minister David Cameron. Only after the damaging photo eruption did Obama get hold of himself and regain a dim memory of his marriage vows. He finally straightened his face and moved away from the gentle gams of the Danish object of his desire.

He leaned nearer to Michelle, who clearly wasn’t having any of her husband.

On Wednesday, Thorning-Schmidt saw nothing wrong with the public display of middle-aged lust. One Danish Facebook user called the antics of a president of 52 and a prime minister of 46 “frivolous and disrespectful.” Another said it was “extremely inappropriate and embarrassing.’’

But Thorning-Schmidt attempted to laugh off the whole thing, saying, “It was not inappropriate.’’ Not inappropriate?

Pairing a black suit and blue tie is not inappropriate. Giving your wife grounds for divorce might be seen as otherwise.

But people won’t soon forget the escapades of the people whose salaries they pay.

President Obama has some ’splaining to do. To the woman he married. To his daughters. To the people of South Africa. And to the scandalized folks here at home.

He owes the world an apology.

 :snoop

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2013, 02:54:58 PM

somebody took the time to write that, copy edit it, revise it, submit it to the publisher, and put that into print.

fuck this gay earth

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 12, 2013, 03:01:42 PM

Obama doesn't owe you shit, lady.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2013, 03:29:04 PM

:drudge "the gentle gams of the Danish object of his desire."  :drudge

 lol ny post

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 12, 2013, 05:24:35 PM

"Scandinavian legs" :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2013, 05:51:26 PM

Quote

Covered California And California Department Of Health Care Services Release November Statistics For Health Insurance Marketplace

 SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Covered California™ and the California Department of Health Care Services (DHCS) announced today that applications were started for an estimated 777,000 individuals seeking coverage between Oct. 1 and Nov. 30 under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act.

“This has been a phenomenal experience as Californians have expressed in words and action their desire for affordable and quality health insurance coverage,” Covered California Executive Director Peter V. Lee said. “Enrollments and applications are surging, and we at Covered California — and our partners — are stepping up our game to meet the demand.”

Enrollment in November more than doubled that of October, with 78,377 individuals enrolled in subsidized or unsubsidized coverage through Covered California and 108,000 being determined to be likely eligible for Medi-Cal, with coverage beginning in January 2014.

For the two-month period, 109,296 individuals enrolled in Covered California health insurance plans. For the same period, 179,000 were determined to be likely eligible for Medi-Cal.

Early returns in December signal larger numbers to come.

In the week of Dec. 1-7, an additional 144,146 applications for individuals (averaging 20,590 per day) were completed, and 49,708 individuals selected plans (averaging 7,100 per day).

http://coveredcanews.blogspot.com/2013/12/covered-california-and-california.html

Nice numbers coming from California. With respect to the state exchanges, California, Kentucky, and Vermont are doing quite well.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2013, 05:53:16 PM

TL;DR version of that NY Post article:

You could see her knees, the slut! How could Obama control his brutish negro hormones at such a sight??

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on December 12, 2013, 07:22:51 PM

US surveillance satellite's logo: Octopus encircling the world
 (http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57615082-71/us-surveillance-satellites-logo-octopus-encircling-the-world/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title)

(http://asset3.cbsistatic.com/cnwk.1d/i/tim2/2013/12/10/BawJ5tCCEAAQ6AN.jpg)

 :lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2013, 08:58:09 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/KCkLzIk.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 12, 2013, 09:24:38 PM

da goat troll

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on December 13, 2013, 01:40:03 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2013, 08:58:09 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/KCkLzIk.jpg)

tea party members to agree with putin and invoke heavy cognitive dissonance so large it'd cause whiplash in 3...2...1.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 01:50:10 AM

it's a fake quote

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 02:08:05 AM

When I first saw it I thought it was a troll quote but the name and picture lined up. Should edit it to read "Thomas Jefferson" or something.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 13, 2013, 12:01:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2013, 06:49:37 PM

(http://whowhatwhy.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/tweet-mccain-libya.png)

Oh Jesus fuck, why in the world would we let this happen intentionally?


Also I have no issue with Obama and the Danish lady. Pimps gotta pimp.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 13, 2013, 03:53:22 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jDBzUTDUBI

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 05:10:00 PM

The sequester was a bad way to cut military spending, I'm glad some of it has been replaced.

Not glad that people's pensions are being raided to pay for it.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 06:49:42 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/hJaykFj.png)
:dead

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 08:06:19 PM

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/media-matters-declares-victory-over-fox-news (or: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/media-matters-fox_n_4433207.html)

Quote

Media Matters leaked that “in the coming years, Fox will no longer be the center of Media Matters’ universe.” What changed? Nothing, really, considering that Fox News still effectively dominates the ratings, with better numbers than MSNBC and CNN combined. But Media Matters reports that it has “effectively discredited the network’s desire to be seen as ‘fair and balanced.’”

...

Fox has successfully introduced new primetime host Megyn Kelly, who is not an opinion host. Media Matters admits that it has been having difficulty targeting Kelly, with new Vice President Angelo Carusone explaining, “We deal with reality. She's not as vitriolic. On the other hand, she is in some ways more pernicious because her credibility has not been completely and totally eroded ... so she has the potential to legitimize and validate smears and lies in ways that some of the more disreputable figures on Fox can no longer do, which just presents a new challenge."

Meanwhile, MSNBC, by way of contrast, has lost both Martin Bashir and Alec Baldwin in the aftermath of their increasingly extreme commentary and extra-curricular rhetoric.

But that means success for Media Matters, with Carusone stating, “The war on Fox is over. And it’s not just that it’s over but it was very successful. To a large extent, we won.”

:lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2013, 08:16:44 PM

Truth Revolt has a very fitting name.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 08:21:30 PM

Quote

Truth Revolt responded to critics stating their tactics are "distasteful", but also "effective", and "the surest way to stop these distasteful tactics is to make sure that both sides pay equally for their use. The little-told truth of Mutually Assured Destruction is that it works, and that it has kept the peace between major powers for sixty years."

:american

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2013, 08:26:38 PM

With Ben "Friends of Hamas" Shapiro running the show, you know you're going to get quality journalism!

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 08:29:08 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/13/opinion/brooks-strengthen-the-presidency.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Quote from: David Brooks

But there is a way out: Make the executive branch more powerful.

This is a good moment to advocate greater executive branch power because we’ve just seen a monumental example of executive branch incompetence: the botched Obamacare rollout.

:-\

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 13, 2013, 08:31:27 PM

:hitler There needs to be more centralized power in this country anyway, not less. People who think they're islands or living in Red Dawn are part of the problem.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 09:06:02 PM

Presidents make the executive branch more powerful every four years, dunno what Brooks is talkin' bout.

A better way to avoid failures like the Obamacare rollout would be to, you know, make government work better. One of the most laughable parts of Obama's "please understand" apology was him saying government sucks at IT stuff, has for decades, and needs to get better. As if he was some outsider with no power to change that. Make it better. You don't need congress to do that.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 09:31:10 PM

I guess I don't understand the mentality that says "they fucked up, so give them more power!"

Does Brooks (or whoever) keep going to the same restaurant and buying more until they stop giving him food poisoning?

On second thought, maybe the gaming community isn't the place to ask these kinds of questions.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 13, 2013, 09:36:42 PM

Thanks for making me read a David Brooks column, benji.

I take back everything nice I ever said about you, you filthy anarchist swine.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 09:40:22 PM

I'll have you know that I have a perfectly creased pant leg.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2013, 09:45:13 PM

In like 10 years when Barack & David, a book that collects the letters both men sent each other over the course of eight years, is released I'm going to send it to Mandark as his Secret Santa gift.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2013, 10:23:52 PM

Obamacare is like an Obsidian game, it's got a ton of bugs at launch but it's still way better than what the competition is offering. And they'll eventually release enough patches to fix the worst problems.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 13, 2013, 10:28:54 PM

thats depressingly accurate

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2013, 10:34:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 13, 2013, 10:23:52 PM

Obamacare is like an Obsidian game, it's got a ton of bugs at launch but it's still way better than what the competition is offering. And they'll eventually release enough patches to fix the worst problems.

Obama just announced he's hired LucasArts to oversee the project.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 13, 2013, 11:25:07 PM

I'm really starting to get behind the idea of it. Really liked the bit in there about telling people to think of it in terms of how they'd spend it themselves.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2013, 12:50:07 AM

The thing about Obamacare is that it's no longer an abstract spectre. It exists, and tons of people are signing up. The federal and state exchanges are doing well, and if MA's Romneycare situation is a guide we can expect an onslaught of last minute signups right before December 23rd.

No matter what happens in 2014, the president will remain a democrat meaning the law isn't going anywhere. But that brings us to the point about the law existing. By the time the 2016 primaries start, in late 2015/early 2016, there will be at least 5-6mil people signed up for private insurance through Obamacare, and perhaps even more signed up in the Medicaid expansion. How are republicans going to campaign on taking millions of people's health care away? We already saw the freakout over a few million people losing their (shitty) insurance plans, how will any candidate successfully run on eliminating millions of people's less shitty insurance plans? I just don't see that as being a feasible electoral goal. Especially considering it's unlikely any of the candidates will have their own health care plans.

Let's not forget that in 2008 multiple democrat candidates have extensive healthcare plans. IIRC John Edwards had the best universal healthcare plan, Hillary had one, and Obama had a slightly less ambitious one (with no mandate). Their plans had been analyzed by the CBO, they weren't simple bullet points on two pieces of paper. And more than a few of the ideas from those plans went into the ACA. Given the right's disinterest in actually governing, I can't imagine any of them having a detailed healthcare plan ready in 2016.

Ultimately, republicans will have to settle for sabotaging the law in the short term, and making it better (or worse) in the long term. I can see a republican running on adding tort reform to Obamacare, or allowing people to purchase insurance across state lines. Basically the typical ideas that don't work.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2013, 05:26:49 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyyAHfV6S_4
:rofl

I'll defend her in the sense that I don't think she was outraged at the idea of a black Santa. Nor did I take offense to the segment, I just thought it was laughable at how haughtily she said "of course Santa is white." Well yea, the western image of him is white. But St. Nicholas was definitely a brown dude. As was Jesus btw...

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 14, 2013, 07:12:22 PM

Penguin Santa would be a'ight

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2013, 03:14:33 AM

(http://a3.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/a6fvwk0gjlihqyhz4rol.jpg)

http://www.kgw.com/news/Enrollees-report-erroneous-debits-by-WA-Healthplanfinder-235244701.html

Quote

For the second week in a row, the Washington Healthplanfinder website is down, and it's causing problems for people who are dealing with billing issues. Some of them say the website is mistakenly debiting their accounts.

Shannon Bruner of Indianola logged on to her checking account Monday morning, and found she was almost 800 dollars in the negative.

“The first thing I thought was, ‘I got screwed,’” she said.

The Bruners enrolled for insurance on the Washington Healthplanfinder website, last October. They say they selected the bill pay date to be December 24th. Instead the Washington Healthplanfinder drafted the 835 dollar premium Monday.

Josh Bruner started his own business this year as an engineering recruiter. They said it’s forced them to pay a lot of attention to their bills and their bank accounts.

“Big knot in my gut because we're trying to keep it together,” said Shannon Bruner. “It's important to me that this kind of stuff doesn't happen.”

They're not alone.

One viewer emailed KING 5 saying, "They drafted my account this morning for a second time."

Another woman on Facebook with a similar problem commented, "We are all in the same boat."

“We've got to figure out how to get money to pay the bills for the next week or two until we have another check come through,” said Josh Bruner. “It's just crazy.”

Washington Healthplanfinder emailed the Bruners a few days ago telling them to log in to view their invoice, something they couldn't do because the website has been down. The Bruners haven't been able to get through on the helpline either. They finally contacted Healthplanfinder administrators by posting a message on their Facebook page.

:-*

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2013, 03:23:57 AM

mistake or fraud. This should be fun.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2013, 03:30:30 AM

I don't have any my bills setup to autopay like that because I'm convinced that they're all going to line up on the same day at the worst possible time (like my car breaking down or something). Even though the odds of this are so low and I don't know anyone it's happened to.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2013, 03:34:17 AM

Apparently the exchange here in MD is one of the ones that was botched.  The lieutenant governor, who's running for governor, was at least nominally in charge of getting it set up and he's already being hammered by his opponent in the primaries.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2013, 04:15:48 AM

It really seems like few states haven't had any problems (Kentucky, Vermont, and California mainly). I've read about some of MD and other states' problems but none compare to Oregon. Complete fuck up, the state was basically swindled by a bad IT deal. Very surprising given how on board the state has been with respect to the law; there was talk of them trying a single payer system, they have two liberal senators, etc. Things will get better but jeez what an ugly roll out.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 15, 2013, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/12/15/pope-francis-rebukes-marxist-attack-from-rush-l/197273

The Pope expanded on his critique of "trickle-down" economics, noting that "The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefiting the poor. But what happens instead, is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger nothing ever comes out for the poor."

(http://i.imgur.com/lBaGavl.gif)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2013, 12:59:29 PM

Thanks Popebama!

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on December 15, 2013, 01:00:54 PM

Never thought I'd say this, but I'm liking this new pope.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 15, 2013, 03:09:33 PM

New Pope is cool simply for the fact that he doesn't look fucking evil as shit

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2013, 03:15:35 PM

I'm surprised the Vatican hasn't leaked anything about him yet.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2013, 04:10:37 PM

Quote

Rasmussen: Whom do you consider the most influential person in 2013?
23% Pope Francis
21% Barack Obama
11% Ted Cruz
8% Edward Snowden
4% Vladimir Putin
3% John Boehner
3% Chris Christie
2% Miley Cyrus
2% Kate Middleton
1% Angela Merkel
1% Malala Yousafzai
1% Kathleen Sebelius
0% Bashar Assad
0% Kanye West
0% Lebron James
0% George Zimmerman
12% Some other person
9% Not sure

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2013, 04:29:31 PM

lol George Zimmerman  :-\

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 15, 2013, 06:03:48 PM

Kate Middleton :lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on December 15, 2013, 06:41:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2013, 09:43:29 PM

but both sides are the same

:willco

I used to hear this all the time before Bush Jr. took office. "It doesn't matter who you vote for! It makes no difference!" 

Someone -- ANYONE -- tell me with a straight face that President Gore would have had us in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11. It would not have gone down this way.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2013, 06:46:28 PM

I think he would have invaded Afghanistan but that's it.  No neocons in office=no Hussein obsession.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2013, 06:54:15 PM

Quote from: chronovore on December 15, 2013, 06:41:24 PM

Someone -- ANYONE -- tell me with a straight face that President Gore would have had us in Iraq and Afghanistan after 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JE48XHKG64
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFBl0fnMUVc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Chn1qAn1f3w

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Liberation_Act

 ;)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 15, 2013, 07:04:29 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxGC8JaijI0

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 15, 2013, 08:50:07 PM

http://kotaku.com/tea-party-facebook-group-posts-bioshock-image-satirizin-1483821325?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Facebook&utm_source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow

 :rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 15, 2013, 09:06:30 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 15, 2013, 12:56:45 PM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/12/15/pope-francis-rebukes-marxist-attack-from-rush-l/197273

The Pope expanded on his critique of "trickle-down" economics, noting that "The promise was that when the glass was full, it would overflow, benefiting the poor. But what happens instead, is that when the glass is full, it magically gets bigger nothing ever comes out for the poor."

(http://i.imgur.com/lBaGavl.gif)

Also, too:

Quote

Francis said many places in the world were seeing a "serious rise" in inequality between people living side by side.

He attacked the "widening gap between those who have more and those who must be content with the crumbs", calling on governments to implement "effective policies" to guarantee people's fundamental rights, including access to capital, services, educational resources, healthcare and technology.

Quote

He attacked the "widening gap between those who have more and those who must be content with the crumbs", calling on governments to implement "effective policies"

Quote

calling on governments to implement "effective policies"

Quote

calling on governments

Quote

GOVERNMENTS (!!!!!)

How will the righties get out of this one? :smug


And will this be the first instance in history where the Pope gets ex-communicated?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2013, 10:26:22 PM

benji, I'm gonna assume that's just some breezy trolling, cause it's too late for me to be explaining the difference between the ILA and the AUMF, or the MKO and Al Qaeda, which I suspect you already know yourself.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 12:35:23 AM

I still wouldn't want to be on the side of a bet against a Democratic administration throwing military force around, even if only to avoid appearing "soft" on defense, especially a Gore-Lieberman administration.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 03:30:51 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2013, 02:41:08 PM

http://nypost.com/2013/12/12/obamas-flirt-with-danish-prime-minister-is-a-disgrace/
 :snoop

NY Post says, oh yeah, you liked that last one did you?

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/how-the-west-was-lost-2/

Quote

How the West was lost by the selfie president

My bookshelves sag with encyclopedic volumes arguing that America and the West are in decline. But proving that a picture is worth a thousand books, the “selfie” seen ’round the world ends the argument.

It’s official — the government of the United States of Obama consists of boobs and bores and is led by a narcissist. It is no consolation that Great Britain joins us in racing to the bottom.

President Obama’s flirting with Denmark’s prime minister would be shameful on any occasion. That it happened at the memorial for Nelson Mandela only adds to the embarrassment.

But the “selfie” episode also symbolizes the greater global calamity of Western decline. With British prime minister David Cameron playing the role of Obama’s giggling wingman, the “look at me” moment confirms we have unserious leaders in a dangerously serious time.

Iran marches toward nuclear weapons and already there is talk in military circles that a nuclear-armed Iran could mean mushroom clouds in the Mideast within five years.

China is flexing its muscles throughout Asia, its ships brazenly confronting ours on the high seas. Russia is expanding its writ in the Arab lands and in Eastern Europe while making casual threats about bombing America. Syria’s Assad uses chemical weapons and Obama and Cameron rattle little sabers before meekly agreeing to become his partner.

The sign-language interpreter wasn’t the only fake at the Mandela funeral. Obama and Cameron were posing as world leaders.

They will never be confused with FDR and Churchill. The fratboys stand in stark contrast to the days when the “special relationship” meant two great leaders uniting two great countries in the fight for freedom. Those leaders understood the consequences if evil prevailed and were committed to victory.

Churchill coined the term “special relationship” during World War II and used it again in his “Iron Curtain Speech” in 1946 that marked the unofficial start of the Cold War. Fearful the West would disarm again, as it did after World War I, he wanted to combat communism by maintaining the “special relationship between the British Commonwealth and Empire and the United States.”

To him it meant our “kindred systems of society” must grow ever closer to provide mutual security and a framework for global peace. That special bond later cemented the Ronald Reagan-Margaret Thatcher partnership that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Try to imagine any of those four embarrassing their nations by acting like indulgent teenagers while civilization hung in the balance. You can’t because they wouldn’t.

Hitler’s greatest mistake was being born too soon. If he were on the march now, would there be will in Washington and London to stop him? Would there be an arsenal of democracy to save mankind from darkness?

In fact, while Obama and Cameron were yukking it up in South Africa, the White House was denouncing bipartisan efforts in Congress to pass more sanctions against Iran. Doing so, it said, would scuttle the feeble interim deal Obama and Cameron accepted. Incredibly, administration arguments echoed Iran’s position.

Try to imagine FDR and Churchill siding with Hitler against their national legislatures. You can’t because they were the antitheses of the appeasers of their times.

World War II proved that the international order collapses when there is no one to support and enforce it. Obama himself has said that, but apparently believes talk is sufficient.

Cameron also talks a good game, but hollowed out the British military to where it is no longer capable of sustained missions.

Words don’t matter to tyrants and genocidal maniacs. They push until they are convinced there will be consequences if they go further.

Our weakness invites their aggression and makes war more likely, not less. That is the perilous state of the world, as the clown kings of the West party on.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 16, 2013, 03:56:06 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 12:35:23 AM

I still wouldn't want to be on the side of a bet against a Democratic administration throwing military force around, even if only to avoid appearing "soft" on defense, especially a Gore-Lieberman administration.

Yeah, and I think the Afghan war happens in some form or another no matter who's president.  But both Clinton and Obama were much warier about major commitments of ground forces than the Bush administration was (where Clinton was criticized from the right for relying on airpower in Serbia and from the left in failing to intervene in African genocides).  Plus PD's right, the people who thought ousting Hussein should be a high priority had mostly made their home in the Republican party and its attendant networks and institutions.

If a President Gore had decided to invade Iraq post-9/11 I'd expect most of his party would have fallen into line, but I don't think the impetus for a an invasion would have been there.  Plus Gore spoke against the war in real time, which I think is a pretty strong indicator of how hypothetical President Gore would have acted, whether you interpret his speech as sincere, or as posturing from someone who thought the war would become a political liability.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 04:12:34 AM

I haven't looked too closely at Obama and a lot of this type of thing you can only really look at years after the administrations are out, but Clinton did increase the number of tiny little and longer involvements quite a bit and then did some fancy legalize to say they weren't ground troops or in combat and stuff. And in a more sane world* the Republicans missed the boat on not impeaching him for ignoring the House voting down his actions regarding Kosovo (iirc) if they were intent on some impeachment.

Which I think examining the counter factual is the question of how many Clinton-era holdovers stick around into the first few years of the Gore Administration, how much influence Lieberman and his various friends gain,  how far Gore changed from his openly "hawk" days and just how much he desired to differentiate and distance himself from Clinton. Because for all of Bush's failures in the nine months they were technically "new people on the job", if you have the same people in power who were botching bin Laden things for years (and wouldn't take him!), headed up the U.S.S. Cole situation, the infamous FIREWALL, etc. then I don't think it's a stretch to hypothesize an overreaction.

If I had to guess, I'd just assume that had Gore actually been interested in running again in 2004, the "played on our fears" speech and Deaniac alignments would have been less likely than shacking up with the dopes who were trying to say they opposed Bush and sorta opposed Iraq but not too much, Bush just screwed it up and they'd do it better!

The reality is the most likely course of action of a Gore Administration though would have been for him to ban the use of oil in the U.S., announce a surrender to the Muslims and invade Israel to help restore The Caliphate. He'd have banned Christmas by the time of Tora Bora in our timeline. EDIT: And used nationalized health care to deny medical treatment to anyone who didn't follow Sharia Law.

*The same one where Bush gets impeached for stating that a law he was signing was unconstitutional and he hoped the Supreme Court would strike it down.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 16, 2013, 08:50:00 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 03:30:51 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2013, 02:41:08 PM

http://nypost.com/2013/12/12/obamas-flirt-with-danish-prime-minister-is-a-disgrace/
 :snoop

NY Post says, oh yeah, you liked that last one did you?

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/how-the-west-was-lost-2/

Conservative fan fiction at it's best.  :hans1 :mollywater

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on December 16, 2013, 09:03:07 AM

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A new USA Today/Pew Research survey finds 45% of 18- to 29-year-old Americans say they approve of the way President Obama is handling his job while 46% disapprove of his job performance.

"The president's approval rating with young Americans -- which stood at 67% just ahead of his second inauguration less than a year ago -- now mirrors the general population."

22 point swing. Think it's because of the reality of mandated health insurance hitting many people?

If the Dems want to make 2016 gainz, they probably need those people engaged and back into the fold.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/12/15/usa-today-poll--obama-millennials/4012257/

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 16, 2013, 11:09:11 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on December 16, 2013, 09:03:07 AM

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A new USA Today/Pew Research survey finds 45% of 18- to 29-year-old Americans say they approve of the way President Obama is handling his job while 46% disapprove of his job performance.

"The president's approval rating with young Americans -- which stood at 67% just ahead of his second inauguration less than a year ago -- now mirrors the general population."

22 point swing. Think it's because of the reality of mandated health insurance hitting many people?

If the Dems want to make 2016 gainz, they probably need those people engaged and back into the fold.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/12/15/usa-today-poll--obama-millennials/4012257/

 :heh

get that shit out of here

More likely the approval downturn is related to the botched rollout and the NSA bullshit.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2013, 11:22:25 AM

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Hitler’s greatest mistake was being born too soon. If he were on the march now, would there be will in Washington and London to stop him? Would there be an arsenal of democracy to save mankind from darkness?

 :usacry

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2013, 02:46:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 03:30:51 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 12, 2013, 02:41:08 PM

http://nypost.com/2013/12/12/obamas-flirt-with-danish-prime-minister-is-a-disgrace/
 :snoop

NY Post says, oh yeah, you liked that last one did you?

http://nypost.com/2013/12/15/how-the-west-was-lost-2/

This is straight out of The New Frontiersman.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2013, 04:59:02 PM

I guess I missed the news story where Chinese/Russian/Syrian tanks were tearing across an entire continent and millions of civilians were being slaughtered wholesale, because otherwise the comparison to Hitler/Nazi Germany might come across as just a little bit silly.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 16, 2013, 05:07:09 PM

It's not the US was exactly chomping at the bit to go to war with Germany anyway.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2013, 05:15:34 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/toure-says-theres-already-a-benevolent-black-man-who-gives-gifts-to-kids-obama/

Grade A troll :rofl

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 06:13:38 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2013/12/16/who-tops-cruz-in-early-iowa-2016-poll/

the comments  :rofl

They start off reasonable enough, get a little crazy conservative which is expected, then by the tenth post somebody's saying the Bushes had Hinckley shoot Reagan to derail the conservative movement and 50% of all labor in Wisconsin are illegal immigrants and someone else is talking about the Jews using George W. Bush to take over the government and Ted Cruz is using GMO's to pollute the PH of the soil or something while everybody accuses everyone else of being a media matters troll.

Picked up this awesome nickname though:

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Fear Not... No matter how smart you think you are.... YOU ARE NOT!!!!! You emit a certain Smell like OVOMITCARE...Sick and Sicker

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Are you really an OVOMIT POTTED PLANT?? OR a Cheap Imitation of Carney???

Take that you DEMOCRAPS!

Oh and Hillary is a member of the "Muslim Sisterhood" and is trying to become the next "muslim communist" president.

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Lynn K  Joseph Gardner • 9 hours ago −
We are doomed if another non natural born (Cruz) takes the seat in the Oval Office. Might as well tear up the Constitution totally rather than one page at a time as is now happening.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2013, 06:45:42 PM

Well, that's a good argument for no affirmative right to vote in the Constitution.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2013, 09:47:26 PM

My twitter line is going crazy over Brooks' latest article. I haven't read it, but will post it for Mandark.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/17/opinion/brooks-the-thought-leader.html?smid=tw-nytdavidbrooks&seid=auto&_r=1&

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2013, 09:56:50 PM

Quote from: David Brooks

There is no writer so obscure as a 26-year-old writer.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 16, 2013, 09:57:44 PM

edgy stuff.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2013, 10:00:43 PM

Why are you guys trying to kill Mandark? SHIT'S NOT COOL.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 16, 2013, 10:13:49 PM

are David Brooks' pieces usually peppered with that much ennui or is that only a post-Obamacare rollout thing?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 16, 2013, 11:38:36 PM

ASPLAIN YOURSELF NOW, LIBRULS :smug

(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1460953_634775599913408_1934567426_n.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2013, 12:34:39 AM

Quote from: David Brooks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xG4oFny2Pk

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2013, 12:55:04 AM

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A malfunctioning HealthCare.gov website and confusion over canceled policies have kept millions of Americans from choosing new health plans so far this fall. But with website access improving and the initial deadline to sign up for coverage looming Dec. 23, insurers are starting to blanket the airwaves and social media with glitzy ads urging consumers to buy their plans.

WellPoint Inc. – which has held off for weeks on a planned campaign as problems with the website made it impossible for many consumers to sign up – said it expects to spend up to $100 million by the end of this year on TV, social media and print ads targeting mostly young and healthy people – the consumers it covets most because their premiums will help offset the medical costs of older, sicker policyholders. […]

The enrollment surge has compelled some insurers to snap up TV ad time, said Scott Roskowski, director of business development at TVB. “It’s already very noticeable that the December pace has begun to pick up” with insurer advertising, Mr. Roskowski said. TVB projects that insurers will spend about $500 million on ads on local TV stations in 2014.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/insurers-the-rescue

Many have been watching insurance company's reaction to the roll out in relation to ad money. Now it seems like they money is about to start pouring in.

BCBS (of Michigan) had an interesting ad campaign in mid October/early November, hyping their own insurance website and noting how reliable it was. It was a pretty direct jab at Healthcare.gov, and probably effective given how much of a monopoly BCBS has here. I haven't seen any ads from them lately.

On the dental side, I talked to an insurance agent friend about the flood of Medicaid eligible children being signed up by various practices, now that the program has raised their provider reimbursement rates. He said "it's fucking Black Friday every day for dental practices. But instead of getting electronics they're getting new patients."

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2013, 06:18:47 AM

Matt Ygelsias is Costanza? http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/12/16/amazon_mom_save_money_with_a_fake_baby_or_a_real_one_if_applicable.html

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2013, 08:39:48 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 16, 2013, 11:38:36 PM

ASPLAIN YOURSELF NOW, LIBRULS :smug

(https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1460953_634775599913408_1934567426_n.jpg)

Yet another reason to support gay marriage, because gays don't need birth control. :bow2

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2013, 10:54:35 AM

My wife's birth control and 3 births(after stopping bc, duh) were all covered by insurance 100% before Obamacare. I think it's great we are moving to direct payments from conservatives to women and their reproductive systems.

It's time to stop listening to these idiots talk about insurance.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2013, 12:51:50 PM

I know people here hate fisking (because you're all a bunch of panties in a bunch pussies) but this is a truly magical take down of Brooks' latest travesty.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/david-brooks-thought-leader-column-121713

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 17, 2013, 01:27:42 PM

Charles Pierce :bow2

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2013, 02:39:42 PM

I support fisking when it's used in the service of pointing out what a tool David Brooks is.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2013, 06:10:11 PM

And it was still a more substantive response than that David Brooks article warranted.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2013, 07:10:31 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on December 17, 2013, 06:49:10 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/mitch-mcconnell-debt-ceiling-101249.html?hp=l1 (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/12/mitch-mcconnell-debt-ceiling-101249.html?hp=l1)

Would love to have this idiot tried for treason already.

They already proved they aren't willing to go over the cliff, so who cares.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2013, 08:10:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/BhoT8cT.png)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2013, 08:19:11 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/worried-about-looking-ignorant-team-sebelius-seeks-media-help/article/2540790

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Concerned that senior leaders, including Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, “can be left ignorant and unaware” of what Congress and the public are saying about them and their policies, officials at the agency in charge of Obamacare are seeking help to track everything the media is writing about the Department of Health and Human Services.

The sprawling department that is supported by a large communications shop is collecting the names of private companies that can produce a customized daily digest of news better and more complete than the one HHS aides currently compile.

The reason, according to HHS, is that there is too much media to monitor and the department’s public affairs office is having trouble meeting deadlines and producing readable summaries. What’s more, like with the website issues plaguing Obamacare, the internal staff has had difficulty getting their news summaries to work on mobile devices.

“While the secretary, the agency heads, and senior leaders across the department are critical customers, it is important to the department in general that staff at all levels in all agencies be aware of how the department and its agencies are being cast in the public eye. All HHS staff essentially are ‘ambassadors to the public on the department's behalf,” said a department notice.

“Without this knowledge, HHS leaders can be left ignorant and unaware of what the public, Congress and stakeholders may be saying and reacting to, thus leaving HHS officials less than fully informed in their decision making processes,” added the department.

Interested small businesses have until Dec. 23 to tell HHS if they can handle the job. After that, HHS will determine if it wants to move ahead with farming the job out.

:lol what

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on December 17, 2013, 08:19:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2013, 08:10:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/BhoT8cT.png)

Oh man, popping that bubble must have felt good.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2013, 08:40:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 17, 2013, 08:19:11 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/worried-about-looking-ignorant-team-sebelius-seeks-media-help/article/2540790

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Concerned that senior leaders, including Secretary Kathleen Sebelius, “can be left ignorant and unaware” of what Congress and the public are saying about them and their policies, officials at the agency in charge of Obamacare are seeking help to track everything the media is writing about the Department of Health and Human Services.

The sprawling department that is supported by a large communications shop is collecting the names of private companies that can produce a customized daily digest of news better and more complete than the one HHS aides currently compile.

The reason, according to HHS, is that there is too much media to monitor and the department’s public affairs office is having trouble meeting deadlines and producing readable summaries. What’s more, like with the website issues plaguing Obamacare, the internal staff has had difficulty getting their news summaries to work on mobile devices.

“While the secretary, the agency heads, and senior leaders across the department are critical customers, it is important to the department in general that staff at all levels in all agencies be aware of how the department and its agencies are being cast in the public eye. All HHS staff essentially are ‘ambassadors to the public on the department's behalf,” said a department notice.

“Without this knowledge, HHS leaders can be left ignorant and unaware of what the public, Congress and stakeholders may be saying and reacting to, thus leaving HHS officials less than fully informed in their decision making processes,” added the department.

Interested small businesses have until Dec. 23 to tell HHS if they can handle the job. After that, HHS will determine if it wants to move ahead with farming the job out.

:lol what

Why does she still have a job at this point.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2013, 10:04:27 PM

Exactly.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2013, 11:49:52 PM

The weird thing about the Brooks column is that EVERYONE immediately sees that he's the poster boy for the phenomenon he's trying to capture.  So the working theories are...

* He's criticizing the younger generation of aspiring public intellectuals without realizing his hypocrisy
* Someone said something mean about him and he's calling them out without naming them, Carly Simon style
* The column is entirely self-loathing, and he may or may not be aware of it
* It was meant to be a breezy and self-deprecating take on his own social class, like his description of blue state people back in the day, only he's such a terrible writer that he can't control the tone of his prose and the piece curdled



The other column that benji posted earlier is more representative.  Take some middlebrow source material, summarize it, and suggest some major change as The Solution To All Our Problems.  Bonus points for any sociological or institutional explanation for a problem (in this case the current gridlock in DC) that avoids blaming movement conservatism or the GOP.  He'll likely never revisit the subject again or bother to learn/speak about the details and difficulties involved, no matter how big or radical the change is.  Then he'll talk about Burke and humility and shit with a straight face.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2013, 12:41:25 AM

If the Occupy people really gave a shit about the world, they'd send suicide bombers to the Aspen Ideas Festival.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2013, 01:51:56 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 18, 2013, 12:41:25 AM

If the Occupy people really gave a shit about the world, they'd send suicide bombers to the Aspen Ideas Festival.

The Big Four doesn't appreciate your humor, sir.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2013, 12:29:05 PM

Quote from: Mandark on December 17, 2013, 11:49:52 PM

So the working theories are...

Early deadline and accidentally sent in his suicide note.

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Take some middlebrow source material, summarize it, and suggest some major change as The Solution To All Our Problems.  Bonus points for any sociological or institutional explanation for a problem ...  He'll likely never revisit the subject again or bother to learn/speak about the details and difficulties involved, no matter how big or radical the change is.

How dare you suggest there's any comparison between obscure 22-year-old "radical" Social Democrat David Brooks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML9Pcq_mJRU

And serious thinker "national greatness" conservative David Brooks:

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It would be silly to try to lay out some sort of 10-point program for American greatness. In any case, the particular policies are less important than getting Americans to begin to think differently about politics. The gravest threat to America today is the complacent mediocrity and petty meddling of the nanny state. Efforts to get big government off our backs, to strengthen families and to invigorate communities are healthy responses to the threat. But they are insufficient without the ambitions and endeavors of a conservatism committed to national greatness.

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America isn't in a state of moral degradation and decay, as some of the Cassandras fear, but neither is it in a state that should make us content. If you drive around the country, looking into the cultural institutions of the middle class, you do not find widespread depravity or picturesque collapse reminiscent of the last days of Rome. Instead you see a nation that is good-hearted and bourgeois, and nobody should castigate the bourgeois virtues since they are responsible for most of the good things around us. But if there is a flaw, it is that American society may now be too bourgeois; it is tranquil to a fault. It is, as many social critics have noticed, characterized by a pervasive non-judgmentalism. Alan Wolfe calls this small-scale morality; Allan Bloom called it easygoing nihilism. Whatever its name, it is radically anti-contentious. Americans today are suspicious of vehemence, of people who radiate certitude. American culture recoils from those who try to "impose" their opinions or lifestyles. It is unfriendly to those who seem too passionately attached to higher ideals or who otherwise threaten to shake things up.

...

This seems to be what McCain and others are getting at when they speak of the enervation of the American spirit. The fear is that we have become a nation obsessed with risk avoidance and safety. We allow soft sentimentalism to replace demanding moral principles. We shrink our time horizon, becoming disconnected from our common past and less mindful of our future. We detach from public and political life and look on everything that does not immediately touch our own lives with an indifference that is laced with contempt. In short, in seeking to avoid the Scylla of overpoliticized turmoil, we may founder on the Charybdis of underpoliticized complacency.

McCain and others seem to sense that the way to combat some of these trends is to reattach people to the meaning of America, its highest ideals and transcendent glories. In other words, patriotism can serve as an antidote to the temptations of affluence. It can provide a counterpoint to enervation, inspiring people to live up to their principles. It can act as a counter-vailing force to excessive individualism, reminding people of their common bonds and reengaging Americans in national life. It can help inculcate virtue in the young. And it can protect against embourgeoisement, enlarging an otherwise pragmatic spirit that reduces life to the prosaic and mundane.

...

If we are going to encourage a new 21st-century patriotism and preserve the vigorous virtues that the pioneer ideologists rightly celebrated, we can't just re-brew the elixir that worked in the past. We will need another national narrative, and another public philosophy to guide us.

...

But it's interesting to turn back to John McCain, because he is a centrist figure in American politics and because, of the leaders who seem to have thought most about patriotism and the national identity, he is a relatively centrist figure in American politics, in tune with mainstream culture.

Like most people in America, McCain has learned the etiquette of the multicultural creed, and he is sympathetic to many of its goals. He loudly calls upon the Republican party to be the party of inclusiveness and boasts of his sensitivity to Hispanic concerns. He supports some bilingual education programs and urges his party to move beyond affirmative action debates. But, also like most people, McCain is clearly dissatisfied with the multicultural vision. America is a diverse country, but it cannot be just that. It is united by something more than its diversity, and when McCain talks about his patriotism, he is groping to articulate what that is.

Right now his sentiments are vague. He talks about the military. "I have never had a prouder moment in my life than after Desert Storm," he says. And he tells stories of military heroism, like the one about Roy Benavidez in Cambodia. But personal courage is not the same as patriotism, because it doesn't indicate what cause the hero serves. So McCain gropes, struggling to articulate a solid goal in the midst of slippery swamps.

...

McCain has no central narrative to organize his thinking, and no public philosophy to explain America's purpose.

McCain, of course, is a politician, not a public philosopher (TR fancied himself both). McCain's job is to promote policies. And in this he is more specific. In fact, if you look at his policies, you can begin to imagine a national narrative and a public philosophy that might be erected around them.

...

But there is something else the heroes of the American Century exemplify: citizenship. They dedicated large parts of their lives to public service, believing it the most honorable of professions. They believed, too, that public service requires certain virtues, like duty, loyalty, honesty, discretion, and self-sacrifice -- virtues that can always use reinforcement in Washington and across the land. Citizenship implies a set of habits and obligations that counteracts the decentralizing tendencies of American life, the impulses to autonomy and self-expression. And the duties of citizenship join people across class, race, and region to involve them in the political fate of the nation -- in the task of self-government.

This is where, at the beginning of the 21st century as at our Founding over two hundred years ago, politics and patriotism come together: in self-government. They come together in the individual's self-government that makes possible self-sacrifice and virtue; they come together in the civic self-government that underlies healthy social institutions; and they come together in the political self-government that is America's achievement and model for the world. It wasn't until John McCain lost America for a while, he says, that he realized how much he loved her. Perhaps it's only after we've forgotten the meaning of our patriotic pride for a while that we're now ready to realize how central to us is, in the words of James Madison, "that honorable determination which animates every votary of freedom to rest all our political experiments on the capacity of mankind for self-government."

:american

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2013, 01:00:45 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azoWedQH8zQ

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2013, 04:04:23 AM

Quote from: Spencer on December 13, 2013, 11:25:07 PM

I'm really starting to get behind the idea of it. Really liked the bit in there about telling people to think of it in terms of how they'd spend it themselves.

Hey Spencer, this is a little pricey but it's a book that came out this year on Guaranteed Income that seems to be quite well regarded:
http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Income-Guarantee-Economic-Exploring/dp/1137347880/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_1

Quote

Can the U.S. afford a Basic Income Guarantee (BIG)? In 1983, Sheahen published Guaranteed Income: The Right To Security. Today, with the constant conversation about the role of the US Government and how it should be handling debt problems and welfare programs, this question is one among many in need of reexamination.

A BIG is the unconditional government-ensured guarantee that all citizens will have enough income to meet their basic needs without a work requirement. Reading about BIG can be confusing since the topic's terms are used in different ways by different people. In Basic Income Guarantee, Sheahen uses his expertise to delve into pressing issues and questions such as why we should adopt a BIG, if everyone has the right to BIG, and if a BIG would even work. In easy-to-understand language, Sheahen answers these and many more questions, as well as updates the statistics from his break-through 1983 work.

Although, one of the endorsements makes me a bit uncomfortable:

Quote

"Absent as an issue for almost fifty years, Allan Sheahen places the idea of a basic income for all Americans squarely back on the national agenda. In plain English, this radical idea is not only clearly explained but answers even the toughest objections that can be raised. This book should make sense even to my most dysfunctional colleagues in Congress." - Bob Filner, U.S. Congressman of San Diego and former chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee

Saw these cheaper ones (from different perspectives) in the related:
http://www.amazon.com/In-Our-Hands-Replace-Welfare/dp/0844742236/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_3

Quote

America's population is wealthier than any in history. Every year, the American government redistributes more than a trillion dollars of that wealth to provide for retirement, health care, and the alleviation of poverty. We still have millions of people without comfortable retirements, without adequate health care, and living in poverty. Only a government can spend so much money so ineffectually. The solution is to give the money to the people.

This is the Plan, a radical new approach to social policy that defies any partisan label. Murray suggests eliminating all welfare transfer programs at the federal, state, and local levels and substituting an annual $10,000 cash grant to everyone age twenty-one or older. In Our Hands describes the financial feasibility of the Plan and its effects on retirement, health care, poverty, marriage and family, work, neighborhoods and civil society.

From Charles Murray who quoted on the above book as well:

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"Sheahen and I are as far apart on political philosophy and the causes of the nation's current mess as two people can be, but we both think that a basic income guarantee has to be part of the solution. That says something about the potential of this important idea whose time, as we both hope, is coming. Basic Income Guarantee will help make that happen." - Charles Murray, author of In Our Hands: A Plan to Replace the Welfare State

http://www.amazon.com/Redesigning-Distribution-Stakeholder-Cornerstones-Egalitarian/dp/B00EBGNOWA/ref=pd_sim_sbs_b_4

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Are there ways that contemporary capitalism can be rendered a dramatically more egalitarian economic system without destroying its productivity and capacity for growth?

This book explores two proposals, unconditional basic income and stakeholder grants, that attempt just that. In a system of basic income, as elaborated by Philippe van Parijs, all citizens are given a monthly stipend sufficient to provide them with a no-frills but adequate standard of living. This monthly income is universal rather than means-tested, and it is unconditional — receiving the basic income does not depend upon performing any labor services or satisfying other conditions. It affirms the idea that as a matter of basic rights, no one should live in poverty in an affluent society. In a system of stakeholder grants, as discussed by Bruce Ackerman and Anne Alstott, all citizens upon reaching the age of early adulthood receive a substantial one-time lump-sum grant sufficiently large so that all young adults would be significant wealth holders. Ackerman and Alstott propose that this grant be in the vicinity of $80,000 and be financed by an annual wealth tax of roughly 2 percent. A system of stakeholder grants, they argue, “expresses a fundamental responsibility: every American has an obligation to contribute to a fair starting point for all.”

EDIT: Worth mentioning as well, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_Permanent_Fund

Maybe check your PMs.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2013, 03:19:34 PM

agreed but good lord that OFA ad is fucking horrible. It's something I'd expect from Nintendo.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2013, 05:04:34 PM

I think one thing telling about the current state of things is how often politicians are using "playing politics" or "partisan" as a epithet. It seems like it's increasingly becoming common. "I propose this law to feed school children toxic runoff." "That's a bad idea, I'm gonna have to say we vote against that." "My opponent is just playing partisan politics with this issue!"

I like to pretend it isn't effective.  :fbm

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2013, 11:41:38 PM

pour out a 40 for Christie 2016
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/20/nyregion/christie-agrees-to-in-state-tuition-for-undocumented-immigrants.html?_r=0

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on December 20, 2013, 02:21:35 PM

this is pretty awesome

https://www.facebook.com/MassStatePolice/posts/555772124506775

Quote

Trooper Joe Petty assisted by Tpr Dave Stucenski & K9 Frankie Locate 1250 Bags of Heroin in Hatfield

Early this morning, Trooper Joseph Petty was on a traffic stop of Route 91 in Northampton when a vehicle passed by him. Trooper Petty observed several violations. Trooper Petty stopped the vehicle a short time later in the Town of Hatfield. Trooper Petty made contact with the operator and passengers.

During the stop, evidence of illegal narcotics led to a request for a State Police K9. Trooper David Stucenski and K9 Frankie located 1,250 individual bags of heroin in the vehicle. Four people were taken into custody and charged with narcotics violations.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1492588_555771901173464_2023199902_o.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1522954_555771897840131_1480488323_o.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2013, 03:33:54 PM

500k people enrolled in the ACA exchanges this month alone, total of 1mil enrolled thus far. Great news but frustrating in light of the earlier problems; if the website had worked in October, it might be near 2 or 3mil by now.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 20, 2013, 07:09:07 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57291925-78/marriage-utah-state-sex.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57291925-78/marriage-utah-state-sex.html.csp)

If only you had a Utah facebook feed to watch.  The salt is off the charts :lawd

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 20, 2013, 07:42:59 PM

the judge straight up trolls Scalia
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bb9TpdqCIAAzolo.png)
 :lol

Obama appointee :bow

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 20, 2013, 10:11:39 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on December 20, 2013, 07:09:07 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57291925-78/marriage-utah-state-sex.html.csp (http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/57291925-78/marriage-utah-state-sex.html.csp)

If only you had a Utah facebook feed to watch.  The salt is off the charts :lawd

Enough salt to fill a lake and a city.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2013, 02:03:44 PM

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/2013/12/youngest-obama-daughters-real-name-not.html

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2013, 03:37:21 PM

:lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2013, 04:51:26 PM

 :obama

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2013, 06:58:43 PM

Quote

that 'Sasha's actual legal name is 'Nastasha', a diminutive form of 'Natalia' which means 'birthday' or 'Christmas' in the language of the USSR.

Overcompensating for being an atheist Muslim.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2013, 07:43:03 PM

from the comments

Quote

Natasha spelled backwards is Ah Satan! 

 :lol

Quote

It was Barky and Mantoinette's adult decision to choose a Russian name for their baby so that is certainly fair game. They made many calculated political decisions including later not using her given name. One of the reasons thin skinned Barky absolutely hates Mittens is that Mittens has 5 sons and he has none.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2013, 09:37:56 PM

(http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/cartoon_500/cartoons/robertsonsavestheday.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2013, 10:02:30 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 21, 2013, 09:37:56 PM

(http://newsbusters.org/sites/default/files/imagecache/cartoon_500/cartoons/robertsonsavestheday.jpg)

500k enrollees in December
(http://imageshack.us/a/img803/4016/mysmilie477.png)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2013, 12:19:11 AM

It's also distracting us from the real issue - Natashagate.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2013, 01:57:32 AM

How the GOP became the “White Man’s Party”
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/22/how_the_gop_became_the_white_mans_party/

haven't read it yet, posting so I don't forget to read it tomorrow

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on December 23, 2013, 12:03:12 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/VzbFvOh.png)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on December 23, 2013, 01:21:30 PM

such zeitgeist

paid for wow

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 23, 2013, 01:24:51 PM

Cornoge

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 23, 2013, 01:48:37 PM

wow
such meme
so hip
much youth vote incoming

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 23, 2013, 11:59:29 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/23/rand-paul-celebrates-festivus-with-airing-grievances-against-dc/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/12/23/rand-paul-celebrates-festivus-with-airing-grievances-against-dc/)
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/12/rand-pauls-festivus-celebration-rant-begins-on-twitter/ (http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/12/rand-pauls-festivus-celebration-rant-begins-on-twitter/)

Not sure how I should feel about Rand Paul celebrating Festivus, what with the War on Christmas still raging on.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2013, 12:25:13 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/local/wp/2013/12/26/snoop-and-john-kerry-meet-magic-ensues/

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2013, 06:20:13 PM

Looks like a terrorist fist jab to me!

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2013, 05:04:19 PM

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/the-republican-national-committee-wishes-people-happy-kwanzaa-on-facebook-it-all-goes-downhill-from-there/

:snoop

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2013, 08:24:56 PM

Quote

Speaking of Stormfront, here’s a little tidbit from Rhonda Van Winkle Kimball, who says she will never celebrate Kwanzaa until “…we start having Caucasian day.” Rhonda’s profile picture is a waterfall, representative of the Aryan tears she cries every night, living in a country that oppresses her people.

:whew

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2013, 08:53:12 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on December 28, 2013, 05:04:19 PM

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/the-republican-national-committee-wishes-people-happy-kwanzaa-on-facebook-it-all-goes-downhill-from-there/

:snoop

Republican outreach.  :obama

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on December 28, 2013, 08:58:40 PM

Wait til you see the watermelon stand.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2013, 11:13:33 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nyt-no-evidence-al-qaeda-had-any-role-in-benghazi-attack

A months-long investigation by The New York Times "turned up no evidence that Al Qaeda or other international terrorist groups had any role" in the assaults last year on a U.S. diplomatic mission and a C.I.A. compound in Benghazi, Libya.

The attack on Sept. 11, 2012 resulted in the deaths of four Americans, including Ambassador J. Christopher Stevens.

The Times' investigation relied on "extensive" interviews with Libyans in Benghazi who had direct knowledge of the attack. The report concludes that the attack was led by local fighters who "had benefited directly from NATO’s extensive air power and logistics support during the uprising against Colonel Qaddafi." And -- contrary to claims made by Republicans -- the Times also reports that the incident "was fueled in large part by anger at an American-made video denigrating Islam."

:neogaf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2013, 11:26:30 PM

:dead

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on December 30, 2013, 04:59:08 PM

of COURSE the NYT would say that

stop buying the lies sheeple

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2013, 05:11:07 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 30, 2013, 04:59:08 PM

of COURSE the NYT would say that

stop buying the lies sheeple

Fox has already debunked this report, thank jeebus.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on December 30, 2013, 05:22:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2013, 05:11:07 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on December 30, 2013, 04:59:08 PM

of COURSE the NYT would say that

stop buying the lies sheeple

Fox has already debunked this report, thank jeebus.

"We asked some Senate Republicans and they were all 'pffft, fuck the Times'"

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2013, 05:53:38 PM

Quote

Today, Rep. Michael G. Grimm (R-NY), co-chair of the House Russian Caucus, issued the following statement condemning the two terrorist attacks in Russia in advance of the Winter Olympics in Sochi:
...
“The only winners in Sochi should be our athletes, which is why we must work closely with Russia and our allies to combat the threat of terrorism. That begins with taking every threat seriously and acting accordingly, so that the Winter Olympics remain a dream for athletes around the globe, instead of becoming a nightmare like Benghazi.”

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2013, 02:35:28 PM

Quote

@sarahkliff 5m

White House count of enrollment under Obamacare: 2.1M in private coverage, 3.9M in Medicaid, 3M under 26 on parents plans

Pretty impressive. They missed their 2013 private insurance goal by 1mil, which isn't bad considering the site was FUBAR for the first month and a half.

Good luck repealing that, GOP. Assuming premiums don't spike in 2015

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 31, 2013, 02:41:27 PM

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/ (http://www.pewforum.org/2013/12/30/publics-views-on-human-evolution/)
(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/12/evolution2013-4.png)

Republicans are getting dumber

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2013, 02:42:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2013, 02:35:28 PM

Quote

@sarahkliff 5m

White House count of enrollment under Obamacare: 2.1M in private coverage, 3.9M in Medicaid, 3M under 26 on parents plans

Pretty impressive. They missed their 2013 private insurance goal by 1mil, which isn't bad considering the site was FUBAR for the first month and a half.

Good luck repealing that, GOP. Assuming premiums don't spike in 2015

Here's another important number:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/5-million-uninsured-because-they-live-in-gop-states

The court effectively left it up to states to decide whether to open Medicaid, the federal-state program for the poor and disabled, to more people, primarily poor working adults without children.

Twenty-five states declined. That leaves 4.8 million people in those states without the health care coverage that their peers elsewhere are getting through the expansion of Medicaid, according to a Kaiser Family Foundation estimate. More than one-fifth of them live in Texas alone, Kaiser's analysis found.

And it needs to be mentioned early and often.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2013, 03:42:34 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ken-langone-pope-francis

Billionaire Home Depot founder Ken Langone has a warning for Pope Francis.

A major Republican donor, Langone told CNBC in a story published online Monday that wealthy people such as himself might stop giving to charity if the Pope continues to make statements criticizing capitalism and income inequality.

Langone described the Pope's comments about a "culture of prosperity" as "exclusionary" statements that may make some of the rich "incapable of feeling compassion for the poor."

Can we finally just go all French Revolution and bust out the guillotines already? We're long overdue for it and these fools are making it sound really tempting.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2013, 04:15:51 PM

How many divisions does Ken Langone have?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2013, 04:36:53 PM

Quote

statements that may make some of the rich "incapable of feeling compassion for the poor."

As opposed to now? :neogaf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2013, 05:30:11 PM

I hope Mr. Home Depot doesn't read the Gospels. If he thinks his jimmies are rustled now, he has no idea.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 31, 2013, 05:49:38 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2013, 03:42:34 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ken-langone-pope-francis

Billionaire Home Depot founder Ken Langone has a warning for Pope Francis.

A major Republican donor, Langone told CNBC in a story published online Monday that wealthy people such as himself might stop giving to charity if the Pope continues to make statements criticizing capitalism and income inequality.

Langone described the Pope's comments about a "culture of prosperity" as "exclusionary" statements that may make some of the rich "incapable of feeling compassion for the poor."

Can we finally just go all French Revolution and bust out the guillotines already? We're long overdue for it and these fools are making it sound really tempting.

My favorite part was him threatening the Church.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 31, 2013, 06:40:04 PM

Sorry, I left out the actual best part:

Quote

"I've told the cardinal, 'Your Eminence, this is one more hurdle I hope we don't have to deal with. You want to be careful about generalities. Rich people in one country don't act the same as rich people in another country,'" said Langone.

:neogaf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 31, 2013, 08:23:30 PM

Quote

Utah Appeals to Supreme Court to Halt Gay Marriages

SALT LAKE CITY (AP) — Utah took its fight against gay marriage to the U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday, asking the high court to suspend same-sex unions that became legal when a judge struck down the state's voter-approved ban.

The heavily Mormon state wants the marriages to stop while it appeals a judge's decision, which said banninggay couples from marrying violates their right to equal treatment under the law.

In papers filed Tuesday, the state asked Justice Sonia Sotomayor to overturn a decision that has led to more than 900 gay marriages in Utah. Sotomayor handles emergency requests from Utah and other Rocky Mountain states.

Sotomayor responded by setting a deadline of by noon Friday for legal briefs from same-sex couples. She can act by herself or get the rest of the court involved.

"Numerous same-sex marriages are now occurring every day in Utah," Utah lawyers complain in the filing. "Each one is an affront not only to the interests of the state and its citizens in being able to define marriage through ordinary democratic channels, but also to this court's unique role as final arbiter."

Also Tuesday, the Utah Attorney General's Office advertised a formal bid request to outside law firms for help preparing the appeals.

State officials have said it could cost $2 million, bringing criticism from a lawyer for couples who sued to overturn the ban and say Utah should give up the fight.

"We are disappointed that Utah will spend millions of dollars in taxpayer's money, to attempt to reinstate laws which deny due process and equal protection to all of Utah's citizens," the lawyer, James Magleby, said Tuesday.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/utah-appeals-to-supreme-court-to-halt-marriages

(http://imageshack.us/a/img803/4016/mysmilie477.png)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2014, 03:39:48 AM

(http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/files/2013/12/booze.png)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 01, 2014, 08:04:03 AM

Sad to see so many bourbons on the Republican side  :-\

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 01, 2014, 12:29:30 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 01, 2014, 08:04:03 AM

Sad to see so many bourbons on the Republican side  :-\

those motherfuckers got my ketel one too :(

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2014, 01:00:25 PM

Why can't we all just have a Captain Morgan Spiced and be friends?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 01, 2014, 05:18:02 PM

don julio drinkers not doing shit with their lives :dead

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on January 01, 2014, 06:16:31 PM

What's the deal with Jim Bean?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2014, 06:52:12 PM

Quote from: The Business on January 01, 2014, 06:48:13 PM

What's the source on this by the way?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/01/what-your-new-years-drink-of-choice-says-about-your-politics/

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 01, 2014, 07:53:47 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on January 01, 2014, 06:16:31 PM

What's the deal with Jim Bean?

you really didnt see jim beam as a hillbilly drink?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on January 01, 2014, 08:51:15 PM

Quote from: Positive Touch on January 01, 2014, 07:53:47 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on January 01, 2014, 06:16:31 PM

What's the deal with Jim Bean?

you really didnt see jim beam as a hillbilly drink?

I'm not Amerikkkan (http://i.imgur.com/XM70BM2.gif)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on January 01, 2014, 10:08:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2014, 06:52:12 PM

Quote from: The Business on January 01, 2014, 06:48:13 PM

What's the source on this by the way?

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/01/01/what-your-new-years-drink-of-choice-says-about-your-politics/

Aw, I want to see the same graph with age factored in.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 02, 2014, 12:25:11 AM

http://koopatv.blogspot.com/2013/08/come-play-trayvon-tysons-punch-out.html

 :wtf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 01:15:12 AM

I think the absence of the Medicaid expansion in many states is going to screw democrats. Not everyone is aware of what the expansion does or that state governments determine whether to expand or not. So if you're in Texas and Obamacare raises your premiums, you might be more apt to blame Obama/democrats if you don't know about the Medicaid expansion.

Perhaps the most fascinating thing about it is that red states that have refused to expand Medicaid have seen their Medicaid rolls increase; basically people who didn't know they were even eligible for Medicaid have started signing up in droves throughout the country. So in order to spite the law and screw over poor people, state governments are going to lose billions of dollars.

I was dead wrong about this btw. I figured red states would throw a fit but quietly accept the federal money. 100% of costs paid for by the federal government for 3 years, and 90% afterward? You would have to be a complete idiot to turn that down. I'd love to see the numbers these governors are looking at, because there's no way their state budgets will be lower without accepting the expansion.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2014, 01:18:36 AM

Republicans aren't interested in having government work for people, though. You have to view everything they do through that prism.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 01:29:23 AM

True, but republican states have been living off federal taxes and spending money for decades. The gravy train may be less greasy due to earmark reforms, but states still get a lot of money.

If I was a republican governor I wouldn't hesitate to expand Medicaid. It would free up millions of state dollars that would have been tied up in Medicaid spending, and I could then use that money to...oh I don't know, give rich people a tax cut. I honestly thought red states were just going to do that. Politically there isn't much of a risk considering your constituents would see an immediate benefit. And also, the ACA has allowed states to be very creative with how they institute the expansion. For instance Michigan was able to get the green light to guarantee nearly everyone who benefits from the expansion has to pay a copay (about $2 for check ups/exams, in many cases). It's meant to combat the "free healthcare! boooo" mentality of the far right.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2014, 01:30:50 AM

The ones who are interested in actually running their states have. The rest are fighting a battle to do as much damage to govt as possible before they get relegated to history's shit/bin, along with the Whigs and Know Nothings.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 02, 2014, 01:46:03 AM

The best part about Republican governors refusing medicaid expansion is that their states will still be paying all the Obamacare taxes, but they won't be receiving any of the benefits.  :neogaf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 02, 2014, 03:25:07 PM

Those red states under fund medicare and use that extra money to bridge budget gaps and keep taxes artificially low. If they expanded medicaid, they would have to use that money for medicaid instead of their own budgets bringing back those budget gaps.

Red state socialism.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 03:36:20 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 02, 2014, 03:25:07 PM

Those red states under fund medicare and use that extra money to bridge budget gaps and keep taxes artificially low. If they expanded medicaid, they would have to use that money for medicaid instead of their own budgets bringing back those budget gaps.

Red state socialism.

But they'd also save money, which could be used to finance tax cuts as well.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 09:19:31 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/02/glenn-beck-russia_n_4531744.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HP%2FPolitics+%28Politics+on+The+Huffington+Post%29

I....have to give him dap...
:tocry

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2014, 10:20:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 01:29:23 AM

Politically there isn't much of a risk considering your constituents would see an immediate benefit.

Snyder's certainly betting on this.

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 02, 2014, 01:18:36 AM

Republicans aren't interested in having government work for people, though. You have to view everything they do through that prism.

Hey now. For example, defense contractors are people too. And remember, people are people.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 10:20:55 PM

Snyder's probably fucked regardless, but that'll be due to independents and democrats showing up to vote.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2014, 10:50:33 PM

I think he'll be fine. No landslide again, but I don't think anybody is going to be turning out in earnest for Mark Schauer and Gary Peters. And I'm not sure people dislike Snyder enough to erase his incumbent advantage, unlike say Corbett in Pennsylvania. (Similar to Bush in 2004.) Even the Tea Party isn't challenging him, they targeted Calley from the start! :lol

I actually wouldn't be surprised if even Terry Lynn Land wins depending on how much attention that race gets. I don't think she will just because of the numbers, but Democrats are going to actually have to put in some work in a Senate race for a change. (She's positive with independents unlike Peters and has even decent favorables with Democrats! She's been destroying Peters with independents. She drove every relevant Republican name out of the race by simply officially declaring.)

I think Democratic Party officials have been a little too publicly confident in general about 2014. Though getting rid of Brewer finally can only help.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 11:31:13 PM

Peters is running for senate, but in respect of turnout I think it'll be decent. Synder's numbers aren't much better than Corbett's in PA, and he'll have to run on his record this time. Unemployment remains high with no end in sight, that alone is going to hurt him. But I do agree that democrats don't really have a decent candidate to take him on. Still, I expect him to lose. Especially if Obamacare continues to produce decent to good news in the state. I'd just tie Synder to the extremists in the state house/senate.

Honestly I think Ohio's governor is gonna be the only major profile 2010 tea party governor to win re-election in a competitive state.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2014, 11:53:36 PM

In the last PPP poll, Corbett isn't even favorable with Republicans and independents are against him by like 50 points.

You don't think Walker has a better shot than Kasich?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2014, 11:57:40 PM

Ahhh totally forgot about Walker. Yea he's safe.

2016 republican nominee
 :uguu

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2014, 12:01:48 AM

Scott Walker/Susana Martinez 2016.

Quote me if it happens, forget I ever said it if it doesn't.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2014, 12:37:59 AM

AWESOM-O, you're making the same mistake you made here:

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It's going to be great when we get to a tipping point where the ACA has helped enough people that opposing it becomes a political liability.

You're confusing politics with reality. They have nothing to do with each other.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2014, 02:35:25 AM

Came across a test to find out how open minded you are: http://conservapedia.com/Essay:Quantifying_Openmindedness

And before you question it because of the source: http://conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_proven_right

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Conservapedia observed that the L.A. Lakers had packed their starting line-up with Overrated Sports Stars, and then hired their preferred coach despite how a better one was available.   
Liberals thought these players and the hiring of the new coach were good because the media told them so.   
The L.A. Lakers barely made the playoffs, and then were routed by record-setting margins in the first round.

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Conservapedia observes and predicts increased premature graying as a Counterexample to an Old Earth.
Liberal denial that premature graying is increasing.   
A top actress -- Katie Holmes, the wife of Tom Cruise -- is observed having gray hairs at only age 33.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://conservapedia.com/Essay:Greatest_Conservative_Movies

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Space Jam   1996   PG   Michael Jordan uses the help of beloved children's characters from the 1950s (a simpler time in America's history) to beat back foreign invaders who wish to take away our freedoms.

[close]

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 03, 2014, 03:03:11 AM

I am pretty sure (at least?) half the articles on that site are written by trolls, though

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 03, 2014, 03:07:24 AM

Yeah.  A lot of the "good" stuff is a bit too perfect.

The whole site is like a long-running field experiment to test Poe's Law.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2014, 03:25:00 AM

You can see in that "proven right" article where at one time it was a serious attempt to keep track and has been overtaken to Poe's law levels. Though to be fair, liberals WERE completely wrong about the Lakers, another failed instance of central planning by the Hollywood Left.

Like a lot of community Wiki's most of it is just incomplete, weird, nonsensical or copy-pastes. I always enjoy reading a Wiki article anywhere that starts off making sense, then slowly becomes apparent that it has clearly been hijacked by someone with some rather interesting theories on the subject who has plenty of free time.

Whoever maintains these is my favorite:
http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_obesity
http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Gallery_of_obese_atheists
http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:Comedy_and_satires_concerning_atheism_and_evolution

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2014, 03:49:29 AM

http://www.conservapedia.com/Overrated_Sports_Stars

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2014, 04:22:14 AM

They admit their errors (http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservapedia_proven_wrong‎) unlike the lamestream media:

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   Conservapedia lists LeBron James on the page Overrated Sports Stars, saying that he "has repeatedly underachieved in key playoff games".[40]   
LeBron James scored 37 points in Game 7 of the 2013 NBA Finals, leading the Miami Heat to a second consecutive title.[41] James was named Finals MVP as well.[42]

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 03, 2014, 03:35:36 PM

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New York Times: “Supporters of President Obama’s health care law had predicted that expanding insurance coverage for the poor would reduce costly emergency room visits because people would go to primary care doctors instead. But a rigorous new experiment in Oregon has raised questions about that assumption, finding that newly insured people actually went to the emergency room a good deal more often.”

“The study, published in the journal Science, compared thousands of low-income people in the Portland area who were randomly selected in a 2008 lottery to get Medicaid coverage with people who entered the lottery but remained uninsured. Those who gained coverage made 40 percent more visits to the emergency room than their uninsured counterparts during their first 18 months with insurance

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/03/health/access-to-health-care-may-increase-er-visits-study-suggests.html?hp&_r=0

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 03, 2014, 03:45:15 PM

I can't read the article right now, but surely it points out that insured people who visit the hospital don't drive up costs like, you know, people who don't have insurance. Likewise even if a small or average amount of people without insurance go to the emergency room, they're still racking up huge costs.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2014, 05:24:22 PM

The prediction was that insured people would go when they started getting sick or when they first got injured, and would receive less costly care than if they'd waited until the last possible minute when their problem was a lot worse.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 03, 2014, 05:50:34 PM

http://www.nber.org/oregon/

Actually a bunch of neat stuff coming out of that experiment, for those that are interested.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2014, 01:32:04 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 04, 2014, 12:51:05 AM

The article doesn't say anything about the average cost per visit. Just a hunch, but I'd bet that the average ER cost of the insured people was lower than the average cost of the uninsured.

Wouldn't this require being able to discern what the actual cost is? Consider in the cases of both the insured and uninsured the "cost" is often negotiated and differs from patient to patient. Even if the uninsured patient is initially billed the "full" cost this doesn't mean it'll actually be collected. (Same with insured patients.) Then factor how many of these "costs" for both the hospital and insured are tied to what Medicare determines them to be through a process that's...well, rather interesting.

I've never understood all of this focus on costs (well, okay, I have, you know what I mean though) when we don't even have a grasp on any of it because of deliberate obfuscation and I thought the goal was getting people more quality health care.

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 04, 2014, 12:51:05 AM

Increased ER use would also be expected, since ER visits can be exorbitantly expensive

But increased ER usage doesn't automatically mean it's being used for expensive or even emergency care. Indeed just reading the quote we have people who were previously uninsured, thus could have avoided primary care doctors and instead used the ER for these purposes. Now that the cost to them for doing this has been (or at least said to have been) reduced they aren't necessarily going to change their methods but could have instead increased their usage of what they're already familiar with.

EDIT: From the helpful link Mandark provided:

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Medicaid increased use for visits classified as "non-emergent," "primary care treatable," and "emergent, preventable." We found no statistically significant change in the use of visits classified as "emergent, non preventable."

Medicaid increased outpatient emergency department visits (visits that did not result in a hospital admission). We found no statistically significant increase in emergency department visits that did result in a hospital admission.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 04, 2014, 02:35:45 AM

What struck me about that particular graph wasn't even the difference between the treatment and control groups, but that "primary treatable" was easily the designation with the most ER visits.  That is, for the people being studied, ER visits were for things that could have been taken to the family physician much more often than actual emergencies.

Would like to see how that differs across income and ethnic groups, but not enough to go down that Google rabbit hole tonight.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2014, 02:54:21 AM

I believe most every recent study of ER visits has found that. IIRC, the number one factor is basically people having some kind of pain and thinking it's a heart attack or burst colon or a tumor.

CDC's numbers: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/ervisits.htm

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Number of visits: 129.8 million
Number of injury-related visits: 37.9 million
Number of visits per 100 persons: 42.8
Percent of visits with patient seen in fewer than 15 minutes: 25.1%
Percent of visits resulting in hospital admission: 13.3%
Percent of visits resulting in transfer to a different (psychiatric or other) hospital: 2.1%

Ten reasons people go to the ER: http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/10-common-reasons-for-er-visit1.htm

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Chest pains, abdominal pain, toothaches, sprains and broken bones, upper respiratory infections, cuts and contusions, back pain, foreign objects in the body, headaches.

The second to last one is apparently 94% of all Bore member ER visits.

Other stuff has shown people like mothers (primarily single) taking their kids to the ER for checkups/common ailments/etc. One focused on cities was how you can sometimes have fewer outside doctors (except John Becker) available but plenty of hospitals so it's just common culture that you head into the ER for anything. Although this guy suggests it's mostly dumb people with private insurance wasting ER resources: http://hschange.org/CONTENT/1204/1204.pdf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2014, 04:22:43 PM

http://www.washingtonblade.com/2014/01/02/clay-aiken-actively-considering-run-congress-sources/

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Gay singer and “American Idol” runner-up Clay Aiken is actively considering a bid to represent North Carolina’s 2nd congressional district in the U.S. House, according to two Democratic sources familiar with his plans.

The sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the 35-year-old Raleigh native has taken initial steps for a run, including consulting with political operatives in Washington, D.C., about a bid for the seat.

One Democratic source said Aiken  made phone calls to gauge support, talked to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and has met with figures in Raleigh, N.C., about a potential bid. Although it’s unclear when Aiken might formally announce a decision, the source said Aiken is “actively considering” it and “sounding and acting like a candidate.”

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2014, 04:26:50 PM

Fortunately, his time on American Idol will have prepared him for the election cycle.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2014, 07:20:24 PM

+10 republican district. Good luck...

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 04, 2014, 07:51:02 PM

I went to the ER a lot as a kid, mostly cause of asthma attacks.

:bow mediCAL :bow2

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 05, 2014, 09:41:13 PM

(https://act.myngp.com/Uploads/332/images/bumper%20sticker%206_20_13.png)

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Started by two volunteers in January 2013, Ready for Hillary quickly became a nationwide grassroots movement encouraging the former Secretary of State to run for president in 2016. Now, with over one million supporters and over 25,000 grassroots donors, Ready for Hillary is the vehicle through which Americans of all walks of life are expressing their support for a potential Hillary run. Every day, thousands more people are joining this movement, signing the petition encouraging Hillary to run, and showing her that if she decides to run for president, she will have a grassroots army of supporters behind her who are ready to help her win.

GRASS ROOTS GRASS ROOTS GRASS ROOTS GRASS ROOTS GRASS ROOTS

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 06, 2014, 12:18:02 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/05/politics/liz-cheney-senate-race/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

After getting a fake fishing license and selling out our sister to prove her cred, Liz Cheney's apparently not going to run after all.  :lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2014, 12:33:44 AM

She coulda been a contender (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/mike-enzi-liz-cheney-poll-99814.html).

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2014, 01:33:08 AM

destroy your family relationships to attain political placement and then drop out the race, brehs.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2014, 01:53:54 AM

She should have stayed in Virginia, ran there, easily won the GOP nomination, lost by 15 points. Then ran again in 2018 to lose by ten points. Meanwhile, keep working for Fox making stupid money.

Somebody didn't think this through. Especially since she declared after Enzi already said he was running again.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2014, 02:01:08 AM

I'd bet money that she hired a contracting firm to poll the state, and they produced skewed data.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2014, 02:38:38 AM

Maybe she hired Dean Chambers.

EDIT: From his site: http://qstarnews.com/2013/12/07/conspiracy-review-was-michelle-obama-really-born-as-a-man/

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2014, 06:05:54 AM

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Liz Cheney issued a statement Monday morning announcing her plans to discontinue her campaign for a Wyoming Senate seat, citing "serious health issues" in her family.

"Serious health issues have recently arisen in our family, and under the circumstances, I have decided to discontinue my campaign," Cheney said in the statement. "My children and their futures were the motivation for our campaign and their health and well-being will always be my overriding priority."

Cheney, who was challenging Sen. Mike Enzi in the Republican primary, said that she and her husband wanted to thank all of her supporters for their help.

"As a mother and a patriot, I know that the work of defending freedom and protecting liberty must continue for each generation," Cheney continued. "Though this campaign stops today,  my commitment to keep fighting with you and your families  for the fundamental values that have made this nation and Wyoming great will never stop."

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2014, 08:58:03 AM

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As a mother and a patriot, I know that the work of defending freedom and protecting liberty must continue for each generation

:rofl

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 06, 2014, 09:08:48 AM

We need an oil painting of Liz Cheney boldy crossing the Potomoc, draped in a flag, while nursing a baby on her exposed breast.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 06, 2014, 10:06:24 AM

Sometimes you have to take a step back and focus on what's really important. Your heterosexual family members.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2014, 10:56:26 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/utah_gay_marriage_on_hold

I'm guessing all the gay couples in Utah that wanted to get married did so already tho, and shit is inevitable anyway.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2014, 11:17:24 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2014, 08:58:03 AM

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As a mother and a patriot, I know that the work of defending freedom and protecting liberty must continue for each generation

:rofl

Sometimes something bad happens to you and you can't celebrate with a family dinner at Olive Garden.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 06, 2014, 02:34:40 PM

Could it be as simple as this? The Koch backed Obamacare misinformation tour is just because the ACA killed the black liquor tax credit. Right wing billionaires want their socialism back.

http://green.autoblog.com/2010/03/30/tax-credit-for-black-liquor-eliminated-under-health-care-refor/

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2014, 10:47:39 PM

The Koch Brothers have been supporters of libertarian causes and enterprises for decades, David was Vice Presidential nominee for The Party in 1980, Charles is one of the three founders of the Cato Institute. They shifted towards supporting Republicans directly for much the same reasons Ron Paul returned to the GOP, though IIRC this is more David's doing than Charles who prefers the think tank stuff. They've ramped up political spending (and perhaps been successful with it) in the last five years or so which may be why the media finally noticed them. (Though they're still a far cry from how much they've dumped into medical research/the arts/education/etc. over the years, they're getting closer.)

Might have to do with how they're getting older so why not throw it away?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2014, 10:49:39 PM

They should just focus on buying one state to be their playground, it worked for Art Pope in NC.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 07, 2014, 09:22:42 AM

Libertarian causes like being paid $2B a year by the government for burning black liquor to power your own mills. It's not a subsidy either. $2B in cash payments.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 07, 2014, 09:42:42 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UnB21NYOi8

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2014, 10:17:31 AM

What's the Vegas odds on Rodman getting purged?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2014, 03:30:59 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 07, 2014, 09:22:42 AM

Libertarian causes like being paid $2B a year by the government for burning black liquor to power your own mills. It's not a subsidy either. $2B in cash payments.

All I was saying is that they don't need cronyist reasons and it's unlikely to be the only reason as they're proven true believers who have already been dumping money into these types of things.

Anything else is just black butter.

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2014, 05:57:26 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/matt-miller-what-obama-should-do-now/2014/01/08/bdcaf232-7868-11e3-8963-b4b654bcc9b2_story.html

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In practice, this would mean a massive, three-year public education campaign that Obama would personally lead. The president would acknowledge that divided power means the nation won’t do the things he thinks are important while he’s at the helm. Political advisers will say this signals fatal weakness. Obama would know it shows integrity that the public will respect as strength.

...

Skeptics will scoff (I can hear their laughter already), but under this approach Obama would run the domestic presidency like a livelier version of PBS educational programming. We’ve had plenty of presidents who were essentially actors; this would be our first president as TV host.

What might this look like? For each major issue area, Obama would appoint a bipartisan task force of civic, business, media and nonprofit leaders to organize regional events and prepare accessible briefing materials for citizens. He’d also recruit the nation’s most talented television producers in an “Ask not what your country can do for you” spirit.

He wouldn’t just preach to the converted — he can’t, since his goal would be to create 60-plus percent support for policies that future presidents and Congresses might enact. He’d thus do televised town hall events in tea party districts and engage continually with leaders and citizens of every stripe.

...

Today both sides talk past each other; Obama could make us discuss it with each other.

There could be more, but you get the idea. (It’s also worth focusing on a short set of issues to make this a project Americans can digest.) Obama’s final campaign would use clear metrics to track the movement of public opinion on the nature of these problems, and on support for real (as opposed to make-believe) solutions.

lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 08, 2014, 08:25:27 PM

Welp, that about wraps it up for Chris Christie in 2016

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/big-trouble-for-chris-christie

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"Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," Christie Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Anne Kelly told David Wildstein, according to emails obtained by TPM. "Got it," Wildstein replied.

:neogaf

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2014, 11:52:33 PM

Warning Mandark *trigger alert*

http://progressivepopulist.org/2014/01/08/fox-news-guest-refers-minimum-wage-black-teenage-unemployment-act-lower-4-hour-video/

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2014, 12:03:24 AM

Real patriots never cut and run, unless it's the War on Poverty.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2014, 08:20:57 AM

I think it's hilarious that the same shitheads that were defending Obama for the past 6 years over every minor, drummed up 'scandal' he was involved in are now jumping up and down about the Chris Christie bridge thing. What a bunch of douchebags.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2014, 08:43:54 AM

Just like the personal directives Obama gave to the head of the IRS office in Cincinnati and watching the Benghazi shootings on a lazy-boy via dronecam, Obama doesn't rely on top aides to handle his dirty work. Unlike that pussy, Chris Christie.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2014, 09:21:26 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2014, 08:20:57 AM

I think it's hilarious that the same shitheads that were defending Obama for the past 6 years over every minor, drummed up 'scandal' he was involved in are now jumping up and down about the Chris Christie bridge thing. What a bunch of douchebags.

You mean the countless "scandals" that resulted in dozens of special investigations but no actual evidence of any wrongdoing? Unlike Christie's case, where wrongdoing has all but been proven outright, and two high-ranking administration officials have already been forced to resign with more to follow.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2014, 09:32:07 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/christie-aide-bridge-documents

On Sept. 9 and Sept. 10, [Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey] Wildstein was apparently receiving ongoing updates about the "traffic disaster" in Fort Lee. On Sept. 10, Wildstein said to someone via text message that Fort Lee's mayor had reached out to [Deputy Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey] Bill Baroni, another Christie appointee, expressing worries about "getting kids to school."

"Help please. It's maddening," [Fort Lee Mayor] Sokolich wrote in a message to Baroni.

That message appears to have been passed on to Wildstein who wrote, "Is it wrong that I am smiling?"

It is unclear who Wildstein was corresponding with, however the recipient of his message said, "No."

"I feel badly about the kids," wrote Wildstein. "I guess."

"They are the children of Buono voters," joked Wildstein's correspondent, referring to Christie's challenger in last November's election, Barbara Buono.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2014, 09:33:59 AM

The kids?! Think about the kids!

This is an outrage. Hopefully we can get a full expose on this harrowing tale of imprisonment.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2014, 09:38:55 AM

Yeah, because abusing a government institute to enact political retribution totally isn't a big deal at all...

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 09, 2014, 10:19:41 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BdfRtZjIcAEDiPr.jpg)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2014, 10:37:35 AM

I agree with ToxicAdam in the sense that if damning emails from important White House staff emerged on just about any issue, the natural liberal defense would be "this looks bad but there's still no evidence that Obama was directly involved." Which would be true, and is true for Christie until someone proves otherwise.

TPM has pretty much gone 100% Bridge so far, msnbc is outraged, etc. Ultimately I think this is more about driving up Christie's negatives for 2016 than anything else. The story reinforces the bully narrative, and will be mentioned over the years even if no wrong doing is proven. Similar to how Daily Kos still bangs the drum about the Scott Walker "John Doe" thing, despite no one else caring.

Most interesting thing: he's not getting much defense from conservatives. Drudge, Washinton Times writers etc are enjoying this. Really shows how the Sandy hug rustled their jimmies, considering they were begging him to enter the race in spring 2012.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 09, 2014, 10:59:47 AM

Sanders 2016  :american

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2014, 11:40:38 AM

I can't bring myself to become outraged about this Christie thing.  Maybe its because is jubilantly fat and funny to look at

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2014, 12:36:18 PM

It is possible for there to be a middle ground between "This is nothing" and "BRIDGEGHAZI!!!!!!!"

Mostly, I think it's funny that he's the guy who has been propped up by the media as this new kind of Republican who was going to work together with both sides and bring about a new era of whatever, then it turns out, nope, he's pretty much the same as all the others, just a little better at hiding it.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2014, 12:38:32 PM

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"It is true that I met David in 1977 in high school," Christie said in a press conference. "He's a year older than me. David and I were not friends in high school, not even acquaintances in high school."

Christie said he wanted to clear the matter up because he felt some stories implied "a closeness between me and David that doesn't exist." The governor also said Wildstein came to the Port Authority through another former appointee connected to the scandal, Bill Baroni, and he merely gave his permission for the hire.

:lol

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 09, 2014, 01:15:44 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2014, 08:20:57 AM

I think it's hilarious that the same shitheads that were defending Obama for the past 6 years over every minor, drummed up 'scandal' he was involved in are now jumping up and down about the Chris Christie bridge thing. What a bunch of douchebags.

:umad

If the right weren't so dysfunctional they'd be circling the wagons, instead they are still mad Christie had the audacity to have a major disaster in his state. 

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2014, 03:22:51 PM

Why would they 'circle the wagons' for Christie?


How pathetic that it's viewed as a positive ideal. "Gotta protect our team"

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on January 09, 2014, 03:33:32 PM

It's what they usually do and you know it, Tox. Reagan doctrine and all that. But Chris is a center-y guy at a time when the far right of the party is extremely vocal and active so it's not happening. There's also the fact that this is beneficial to anyone else considering a run (and inevitable win, Dems have never had two administrations in a row in my lifetime) at the White House in 2016.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2014, 04:25:00 PM

Christie helped Obama get re-elected, so he's basically been but in the GOP shame cube.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 05:38:03 PM

The real scandal here is the incompetence. You don't put this stuff in writing, you just suggest it to somebody who suggests it to somebody else and things just coincidentally get done.

Quote from: Trent Dole on January 09, 2014, 03:33:32 PM

(and inevitable win, Dems have never had two administrations in a row in my lifetime)

If you were born in 1933, it wouldn't be until you were 56 that Republicans had won two administrations in a row. Indeed, until now, that would be the only instance in which there were two administrations in a row in your lifetime where the prior President had not died or resigned and elevated the Veep.

Hillary!'s got this on lockdown, Christie was Hillary!'s only threat, Hillary! doesn't have any others inside or outside her own party. What are they going to do? Attack Hillary! over Benghazi? What difference, at this point, does it make?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 09, 2014, 06:33:34 PM

This scandal doesn't mean much of anything.  In fact, anything up until October 2015 that gets treated like a scandal doesn't mean shit.

At any rate, Christie doesn't stand much of a chance.  The GOP will likely make gains in 2014 (barring a huge scandal and this isn't it), resulting in a renewed optimism from the far right, just in time for the 2016 primaries.  Christie will have to deal with the fact that he isn't a "true conservative", which means he will need to battle it out with losers like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, and Rick Santorum (probably).  By the time he gets away from the midwest or the south, he will be so far behind that he won't be able to rely on coastal states to pick up the slack, ask Rudy Giuliani how well his strategy of avoiding the midwest and the south did for him.

I kind of find it annoying that people are talking about 2016 already.  It's kind of a repeat where people are already trumpeting the "inevitability" factory of Hillary, which worked so well for her in 2008.  But whatever gets those clicks I guess is what matters...

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 06:51:28 PM

Clinton then was polling at like 40-45% against a bulk of candidates in the 10-20% range and had unfavorables almost as high as her favorables. Now Hillary! is polling at like 60-70% against 10-15% for Joe Biden who polls at 30-40% against everybody else, there's barely anybody else in sight, and Hillary! has great favorable numbers now.

She's up like 10-20 points against every non-Christie Republican, back in 2006 those head-to-heads among all potential candidates were basically ties. And I don't see how those are going to drop against the actual candidates. What is she going to do to hurt those numbers now that she's not in office? Come out as a lesbian?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2014, 07:09:29 PM

Shit's a long ways out but I'm personally of the opinion that all the Dems need to do to win the Presidency in 2016 is nominate a woman. Any woman, doesn't matter if it's Hillary! (tm Benji) or not.

Then just sit back and let the Republicans shoot themselves in the foot enough to drive enough women to the polls.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 07:25:40 PM

I stole it from Muskie and Lamar Alexander:
(http://www.4president.org/image/1996/lamar1996.gif)
(http://www.4president.org/image/1972/edmuskie1972.gif)

Apparently Nelson Rockefeller too:
(http://www.4president.org/image/1968/nelsonrockefeller1968.gif)

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on January 09, 2014, 08:01:09 PM

doesn't make it any less annoying

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 09, 2014, 08:52:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 06:51:28 PM

Clinton then was polling at like 40-45% against a bulk of candidates in the 10-20% range and had unfavorables almost as high as her favorables. Now Hillary! is polling at like 60-70% against 10-15% for Joe Biden who polls at 30-40% against everybody else, there's barely anybody else in sight, and Hillary! has great favorable numbers now.

She's up like 10-20 points against every non-Christie Republican, back in 2006 those head-to-heads among all potential candidates were basically ties. And I don't see how those are going to drop against the actual candidates. What is she going to do to hurt those numbers now that she's not in office? Come out as a lesbian?

I don't disagree with you.  The thing is, as it stands in early 2014, Hillary is probably the only real electable Democrat.  There's really nobody else out there and given that this is probably her last chance and given the Clinton's bottomless bucket of fundraiser money, they could probably hold off any Andrew Cuomos or Elizabeth Warrens from gaining much traction.  Regardless, 2014 is way too early to be know anything for sure.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 09, 2014, 09:17:36 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 09, 2014, 07:09:29 PM

Shit's a long ways out but I'm personally of the opinion that all the Dems need to do to win the Presidency in 2016 is nominate a woman. Any woman, doesn't matter if it's Hillary! (tm Benji) or not.

Then just sit back and let the Republicans shoot themselves in the foot enough to drive enough women to the polls.

I'd so vote for Elizabeth Warren, if that miracle happened.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 09:19:44 PM

Yeah, primary goal this time will be simply keeping that field clear. She couldn't do that as easily eight years ago with John Edwards basically running from the day after the 2004 election, rumors about Gore or Kerry, then Obama launching his campaign put another legitimate anti-Hillary candidate in the mix.

This time I don't even know if there's enough desire for even a non-Hillary candidate. Biden's essentially a stand-in for that more than a real candidate probably, Warren/Cuomo/etc. seem to be playing this as futile and will wait if they even have the ambitions, so you have names like O'Malley and Schweitzer (and Dean) who basically have nothing else to do and can use a run to build up their name more than anything else or a Sanders who can run because why the hell not?

The party being in power has some to do with this because you took some of these various governors like Vilsack and Napolitano who may have otherwise made quixotic bids and tied them to the administration mast, and the Republican gains in 2010 eliminated a lot of other farm team potential while building up their own.

I'd imagine someone like Feingold (or Bayh?) would rather just get his Senate seat back at this point than to use that as a springboard.

I'll shocked if there aren't like 20 Republican candidates.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2014, 09:51:27 PM

Schweitzer is a very good candidate, and could challenge Hillary. Her negatives have really gone up, which I suppose is only natural, and they'll only increase in 2015/2016. There's the issue of Clinton fatigue as well, not to mention that she'll be directly tied to the Obama administration. Who knows how Obama will be viewed in 2015/2016. If the economy continues to improve we'll be around 6.5 unemployment if not lower, Obamacare will have 9-15 million people, etc.

Of course, that's the optimistic take. If the economy crashes again, Obamacare turns out to be a disaster, etc then Hillary will be very vulnerable as the "more of the same" establishment candidate. Make no mistake,  Schweitzer is not a blow over, he won't trip over himself, and he's more entertaining than O'Malley and Cuomo. I think Biden is a nonstarter, especially after Gates took a dump on him this week. I had read before that Biden is often the "devil's advocate" in meetings, but it sounds like he really rustles the military's jimmies with that shit.

Republicans: Christie will survive this bridge thing if he's telling the truth. If not, GG. I'd imagine Scott Walker benefits the most, as he is an establishment candidate who doesn't really offend tea party radicals.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 10:16:39 PM

She won't be tied negatively to the Obama administration in any way. The surrogates will make sure of that even if she doesn't openly.

If things get worse, then the strong experienced hand of Hillary! will be the only thing that can save us. She'll fix health care, Bill will advise on how to fix the economy. Foreign policy will be simple for the greatest Secretary of State in American history. You're going to trust the world in crisis to some right-wing NRA nut job hick MAN from Montana who wants the Keystone Pipeline to flood the Mississippi River?!? et al

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 09, 2014, 10:19:02 PM

I'm personally pulling for Schweitzer.  His DNC speech was my favorite by far other than Bill's.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2014, 10:26:40 PM

Kerry has seemingly made more actual impact in a year than Hillary did in four as Sec of State. I like Hillary but that's the truth.

Ultimately we don't know what will happen in two years. In 2006 everyone assumed Hillary and Gulianni would be duking it out. A year later no one thought Barack Hussein Obama had a chance, outside of Cheebs - but he has a Masters degree and we don't.

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2014, 10:59:12 PM

Speak for yourself.  :smug

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2014, 12:08:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2014, 10:26:40 PM

In 2006 everyone assumed Hillary and Gulianni would be duking it out. A year later no one thought Barack Hussein Obama had a chance, outside of Cheebs

 :sabu :sabu :comeon

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2014, 12:16:49 AM

Schweitzer is chairman of a mining company now, guys. That's not gonna play too well with the granola wing of the Democratic party, many of whom you need on board to win the primary.

Warren by all accounts doesn't like campaigning, had to be talked into running by Schumer, and has said repeatedly she's not running. I actually believe her.

Now, my girlfriends Kirsten Gillibrand and Amy Klobuchar...

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 12:19:21 AM

Hillary's negatives are going to go back up if she officially gets back into partisan politics, that's mostly among people who aren't going to vote in Democratic primaries.  I think the nomination's hers if she wants it, barring something dramatic.


PS TA was seriously buttmad about the Christie thing.  What was that all about?

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 12:40:40 AM

How many difficulties would Gillibrand run into in terms of raising money going against Hillary, I'd imagine there's a similar big donor base regarding New York. Another big win in 2018 and she'd be pretty strong going into 2024 (or 2020) against Booker, Cuomo, Warner, Castro and Harris*.

While looking for some ages of people I came across this graphic from the NYT in 2008.  :lol

(http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/05/18/weekinreview/0518ZERNIKEgrid-800x751.jpg)

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2024 speculation  :teehee

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2014, 12:46:43 AM

Kathleen Sebelius  :neogaf

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Sarah Palin :neogaf :neogaf

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Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 10, 2014, 07:51:00 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2014, 09:51:27 PM

Schweitzer is a very good candidate, and could challenge Hillary. Her negatives have really gone up, which I suppose is only natural, and they'll only increase in 2015/2016. There's the issue of Clinton fatigue as well, not to mention that she'll be directly tied to the Obama administration. Who knows how Obama will be viewed in 2015/2016. If the economy continues to improve we'll be around 6.5 unemployment if not lower, Obamacare will have 9-15 million people, etc.

Of course, that's the optimistic take. If the economy crashes again, Obamacare turns out to be a disaster, etc then Hillary will be very vulnerable as the "more of the same" establishment candidate. Make no mistake,  Schweitzer is not a blow over, he won't trip over himself, and he's more entertaining than O'Malley and Cuomo. I think Biden is a nonstarter, especially after Gates took a dump on him this week. I had read before that Biden is often the "devil's advocate" in meetings, but it sounds like he really rustles the military's jimmies with that shit.

Republicans: Christie will survive this bridge thing if he's telling the truth. If not, GG. I'd imagine Scott Walker benefits the most, as he is an establishment candidate who doesn't really offend tea party radicals.

All I know is that Hillary is 66 now and will be 68-69 if she decides to run in 2016.  This upcoming election is her last chance if she wants to run and we all know that she wants to be President badly.  Her time as Secretary of State wasn't the strongest but that can be seen as an advantage as well, especially if Obama's poll numbers get into the W. territory (they're pretty low as it is, this is a probable scenario); she can throw up her hands and say that none of his failures were a reflection of her job as Secretary of State.  The only thing that can be tied to her in the voters minds would be Benghazi but nobody is going to give a shit about that in 2016.  The Clinton fatigue might be there but that was a bigger deal in 2008 where you'd have Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.  Eight years of Obama has assuaged that feeling.

Then again her 2008 run was pretty weak and seemed to make mistakes constantly.  I assume that she would make sure that this didn't happen again but who knows.  Otherwise it seems like it is hers if she wants it, as it stands in January 2014.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 10, 2014, 11:41:47 AM

New theory on Bridgeghazi:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/watch/an-alternate-theory-of-the-bridgegate-scandal-111611971764
(From: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/01/10/1268630/-Rachel-Maddow-s-more-plausible-and-explosive-Christie-motive-for-Bridgegate)

Maddow posits that the target of the retaliation was NJ Senate leader Loretta Weinburg, not Fort Lee mayor Mark Sokolich, and it had to do with the four-year long skirmish over the NJ Supreme Court.  Fort Lee is in Weinburg's district.

5/2/2010 - Christie declined to reappoint NJ Supreme Court justice John Wallace (D), an unprecedented development and outraging Democrats.
2010-2013 - Senate Dems escalate feud, blocking every SC justice nominee Christie submits.
8/12/2013 - NJ Supreme Court justice Helen Hoens (R) is up for reappointment and Dems signal that her reconfirmation hearing will be contentious.  Hoens happens to be the wife of a close Christie aid.  Christie flips out and pulls her reappointment as well, then holds a temper-tantrum presser late in the day calling the Dem senators savage animals.
8/13/2013 - Kelly's early-morning email to Wildstein to say it's time for traffic problems in Fort Lee.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 10, 2014, 01:22:35 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/10/christie-crackdown-ups-scrutiny-over-obama-scandal-response/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/10/christie-crackdown-ups-scrutiny-over-obama-scandal-response/?intcmp=latestnews)

 :patel

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2014, 01:33:25 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 10, 2014, 01:22:35 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/10/christie-crackdown-ups-scrutiny-over-obama-scandal-response/?intcmp=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/10/christie-crackdown-ups-scrutiny-over-obama-scandal-response/?intcmp=latestnews)

 :patel

More please, strong authoritarian daddy figure! :uguu

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2014, 02:14:26 PM

ToxicAdam reply if you are okay

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 10, 2014, 02:14:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/k50usXp.png]http://i.imgur.com/k50usXp.png)

How have I never seen this

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 10, 2014, 02:18:41 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/01/10/the_funniest_part_of_robert_gates_s_very_serious_new_memoir.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/01/10/the_funniest_part_of_robert_gates_s_very_serious_new_memoir.html)

:lol

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2014, 02:25:01 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on January 10, 2014, 02:18:41 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/01/10/the_funniest_part_of_robert_gates_s_very_serious_new_memoir.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/01/10/the_funniest_part_of_robert_gates_s_very_serious_new_memoir.html)

:lol

:neogaf

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 10, 2014, 02:41:05 PM

He's just having fun out there!

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2014, 03:14:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/f5VVnAC.gif)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 04:06:03 PM

(http://imageshack.com/a/img845/7750/y93q.png)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2014, 05:22:17 PM

Very interesting article about Maryland setting hospital prices and spending
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/01/10/%253Fp%253D74854/

Could really transform healthcare, if it works. I'd love to see California play around with this. From what I understand they might introduce a single payer bill in the coming years, and use their Obamacare money to create something quite unique. Vermont is trying to do it right now.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 05:31:49 PM

How about eliminating certificates of need instead? I think we should try that. We can start in every state.

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Maryland could cut health care spending even further by passing a law requiring hospitals to delay diagnosis until it's too late for treatment.

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Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 06:35:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 05:31:49 PM

How about eliminating certificates of need instead? I think we should try that. We can start in every state.

Yeah.  And instead of Medicare, the government could issues letters of marque for viruses.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 07:27:39 PM

Hey, I'm sure that price controls will work this time.

And wouldn't want to eliminate any monopoly protection for BIG MEDICAL at the expense of customers, that's certainly not progressive. Much better to constrain supply in the name of higher profits. (But not too high if you aren't connected!)

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Actually, now that I think about it, I don't think a "prize" system for developing means to combat viruses/diseases/etc. is the worst idea in the world. I can't remember who promotes this idea though.

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Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 07:47:02 PM

I'm sorry.  If that seemed snarky and dismissive, it's cause it was.

Also, a prize system?  You really trust the government to set the conditions for winning, then fairly and accurately judge who meets those conditions?  Whither the public choice theorists!?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 08:01:27 PM

Of course not. Why would the government be involved? The goal is to expand information not eliminate it.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 08:50:57 PM

Or Maryland itself (the existing policy is something I posted about years and years ago, IIRC).  Or the UK or any number of other countries that get similarly involved in health care pricing.

Here's the problem for libertarians*.  By and large, they don't feel that certain goods (housing, education, nutrition, old-age pensions, medical care) are special enough to warrant any sort of non-market guarantee of provision, or really a different distribution system than the one we use for tchotchkes.  Plus government quotas or ceilings are inherently immoral, cause the threat of force is being used to prevent people from making their own decisions etc.

But most people are fine with policies like that if they feel the system is working for them.  So libertarians often feel the need to argue not just that this would be an attack on freedom, but that for practical purposes it will backfire.  The failing public school monopoly actually prevents competition that would provide better education in blighted urban areas!  Social security crowds out better investments which would grow the economy for everyone!  Minimum wages are hurting poor black teenagers by making them prohibitively costly to hire!

Buuuuut those arguments aren't always strictly true, nor is the libertarian's heart really in them.  Social security programs reduce elderly poverty rates, mandatory and publicly funded primary education reduces illiteracy, public health initiatives reduce disease, etc.  Now I'm sure it's easy enough to show these don't "work" in some economic sense: just do a quick supply/demand graph, highlight a triangle, and bingo!  Deadweight loss!  Not socially optimal!  But that's not going to outweigh people's actual experiences (or perceptions if you like), so if you say "it'll fail horribly because all government interventions always do" they're not going to change their minds.

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*"libertarians" for the purposes of this post will include anyone who views things through the lens of negative liberty.  Deal with it.

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Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 09:29:24 PM

I thought we were just being glib.  :(

You're exactly right there are two problems with price controls. They're suppression of liberty and they're suppression of information. So they suck and they can't work. What's the counter-argument of this? What's the metric (even under a system where peoples perceptions are reality*) that we're going to use to show the state under controls is superior when their very existence not only eliminates people from experiencing alternatives but deliberately denies they exist? And then we're supposed to ask the intentionally misinformed what they'll pick for everyone? Of course we can't free the serfs from or let them own the land, who will plant, harvest and distribute the grain?!?

Here's the problem philosophically for progressives**. They dislike the information that nature provides them with, so they call for a superior class of human (decided through politics) to hide the information and dress up this denial as "policy science" or something equally silly. And then blame nature for not behaving how the General Will wishes it to. And logically, this is a reason to restrict the liberties of the filthy uncouth underclass. It's for your own good!

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*Except when it comes to individual trade, then their use of subjective value is exploitation! Market failure!
**progressives for the purposes of this post will be any one who wants to disagree with anything in it, you handsome Islamo-Marxist twats

Is this more interesting than fat man follies?
 :'(

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Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 10, 2014, 09:33:37 PM

I just wish libertarians would realize that health care isn't a market in any real sense of the word, and just shush*

Edit: not directed at you benji, you shouldn't shush.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2014, 09:42:26 PM

I just wish more Libertarians had the courage of their convictions to take arguments to their rational, objective ends... like Mary Ruwart, who it took six ballots to deny the nomination for President at the party's convention in 2008, who argued that children should be allowed to make their own decisions vis a vis whether or not they wanted to be sex workers.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 09:50:22 PM

"Statists think they know what's best for people, but people can decide that for themselves!  Except when they vote.  Then I know best."

Still haven't heard a good explanation of how that's reconciled.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 09:51:27 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on January 10, 2014, 09:33:37 PM

I just wish libertarians would realize that health care isn't a market in any real sense of the word, and just shush*

I guess I don't understand how it's not a market. There's scarcity and distributed information. You can only address this through exchange, so it's a market.

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Edit: not directed at you benji, you shouldn't shush.

Nah, I should, voluntaryism's methods are probably as much of a fools errand as electoral politics and I should just play videah gamez instead.

Too bad thinking you can eliminate Steam backlogs are even more of a fools errand.

Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 09:50:22 PM

"Statists think they know what's best for people, but people can decide that for themselves!  Except when they vote.  Then I know best."

Still haven't heard a good explanation of how that's reconciled.

What is there to be reconciled? People can decide for themselves, they can't decide for others without their consent.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 10, 2014, 09:55:00 PM

Freedom Industries accused of dumping thousands of gallons of concentrated personal liberty into the the water supply of 300,000 West Virginians. (http://crooksandliars.com/2014/01/300000-without-water-after-coal-industry)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 10:11:55 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ggoq8c8scHQ

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 10:20:33 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 09:51:27 PM

What is there to be reconciled? People can decide for themselves, they can't decide for others without their consent.

Well that's lovely, and if you think people should have access to market institutions but not government institutions to negotiate how things are priced and distributed, just dandy.  But please leave out the schtick about how you respect people's autonomy while statists are a bunch of patronizing elitists.  It's disingenuous and grating.  Real talk.


And yeah, health care's a market of sorts.  But BOY HOWDY does moving that information around involve some serious friction, and market incentives seem rather less effective in that context than they do in the paperclip business, or the famed widget industry of ECON201.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2014, 10:38:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 10:20:33 PM

But please leave out the schtick about how you respect people's autonomy while statists are a bunch of patronizing elitists.  It's disingenuous and grating.

How is it disingenuous?

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market incentives seem rather less effective

But the alternative is using political incentives. What happens when you can't meet the demand by using these?

I know, I know, they will because SCIENCE, but accept for arguments sake the premise, what if it doesn't? I'm of the opinion that this worldview just encourages further suppression of information and with that liberty and prosperity because the alternative is to relinquish power.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2014, 10:44:23 PM

MORE political incentives. DUH.

...I will say that Doug Stanhope's idea for population control ("incentive based eugenics") is my favorite quasi-libertarian idea of all time ever.  "Now, hang on just a damn minute here... you're saying that if I cut my balls off, I get to go crossbow hunting with THE NUGE??? Sign me up, man! I'll cut mah own balls off!"

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2014, 10:48:48 PM

If people feel that the government is failing to provide adequate health care then they can vote in politicians who promise to boot the whole thing back to the private sector.

Boom, solved.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2014, 01:41:25 AM

Meet the next President of the United States:

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/01/chris-christie-bullying-videos

CAN'T WAIT

Title: Re: HEALTHCARE.GOV-BETTER-BUT-STILL-NOT-GREATGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 11, 2014, 07:40:32 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 09, 2014, 08:20:57 AM

I think it's hilarious that the same shitheads that were defending Obama for the past 6 years over every minor, drummed up 'scandal' he was involved in are now jumping up and down about the Chris Christie bridge thing. What a bunch of douchebags.

Fast and Furious: a botched plan by the ATF. Nothing to do with Obama
IRS-gate: Teabagger organizations got delayed for their tax exempt status. Despite how lame that was, no involvement from Obama.
Healthcare.gov rollout: An issue of major incompetence, but nothing malicious.
BENGHAZI BENGHAZI BENGHAZI: Okay, so in this case Obama directly ordered the death of Chris Stevens. But so what? Why do you care? Not like you actually knew the guy or anything.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2014, 09:26:44 AM

The IRS really needs more across the boards scrutiny of these tax exempt organization anyway, since most of them are blatantly flaunting the rules.

And as for libertarianism, it won't work because people are easily manipulated into working against their own best interest. So there.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 11, 2014, 10:20:30 AM

Oblivion, I called them all minor and drummed up. But it's good to see that the guilt from your hypocrisy inspired you to post.

Everyday there is more water to carry. Don't abandon the important work.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2014, 10:52:36 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 11, 2014, 10:20:30 AM

Oblivion, I called them all minor and drummed up. But it's good to see that the guilt from your hypocrisy inspired you to post.

Everyday there is more water to carry. Don't abandon the important work.

:neogaf :umad

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2014, 11:09:52 AM

...srsly, TA? Have you gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow again?

Or is this just the blowback from having the last great white GOP hope sunk?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 11, 2014, 12:12:15 PM

What's funny is most democrats aren't freaking out or calling for Christie's head, they are just laughing that he's in such trouble for something so stupid.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2014, 01:06:43 PM

Yeah, you only have to resign for a scandal if you're a democrat. That cokehead GOP congressman is done with "treatment" and back to "work" now.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2014, 01:26:00 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 11, 2014, 01:06:43 PM

Yeah, you only have to resign for a scandal if you're a democrat. That cokehead GOP congressman is done with "treatment" and back to "work" now.

You mean only democrats are dumb enough to resign. Republicans understand that in politics, you never resign. If Weiner didn't resign he'd still be in congress IMO.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 11, 2014, 01:26:10 PM

Good thing Radel wasn't black and poor, otherwise he might have been in some trouble.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2014, 02:37:28 PM

The problem is that "serious" media types will fall for the Drudges, Rushes, etc. trick of "why is he still in office?" and ask Dems constantly if they plan on resigning, etc. So that becomes the narrative. I highly doubt that ever happened to Radel.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2014, 02:43:11 PM

It's worth noting Drudge is taking a giant dump on Christie right now. I follow a few conservatives writers on twitter and they're quite gleeful about the fall of the establishment candidate/Obama hugger.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2014, 03:02:22 PM

Yeah, they're taking a dump on him because they view him as a RINO, not because they have any scruples or whatever.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 11, 2014, 03:04:51 PM

Oh, is Christie the new Gingrich/McCain/Giuliani/Bloomberg?  That'd explain it.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2014, 03:40:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on January 11, 2014, 03:04:51 PM

Oh, is Christie the new Gingrich/McCain/Giuliani/Bloomberg?  That'd explain it.

Remember how everyone was begging him to jump into the race back in spring 2012? By late October/early November they wanted to kick him out the party, due to the Sandy thing and his "me me me" RNC speech.

I think he could win the nomination under the right conditions, but if not he's screwed. He'll have the money to survive the early, crazy states (Iowa, SC, NH), and once he gets to Florida and the midwest I think he can gain steam. But then again...that's the exact same strategy Gulianni bet on and we know how that ended.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 11, 2014, 05:29:59 PM

Is this 'circling the wagons'. ... Pathetic.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 11, 2014, 05:41:21 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 11, 2014, 10:20:30 AM

Oblivion, I called them all minor and drummed up. But it's good to see that the guilt from your hypocrisy inspired you to post.

Everyday there is more water to carry. Don't abandon the important work.

Wait, what? No, seriously, how are those things that I listed in any way similar to what's happening with Christie?

Besides, as Steve Contra said, all this is just entertaining more than anything else.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2014, 06:58:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2014, 01:26:00 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 11, 2014, 01:06:43 PM

Yeah, you only have to resign for a scandal if you're a democrat. That cokehead GOP congressman is done with "treatment" and back to "work" now.

You mean only democrats are dumb enough to resign. Republicans understand that in politics, you never resign. If Weiner didn't resign he'd still be in congress IMO.

You mean once they're already in office, not when they still have to win an election. I mean they didn't hesitate to throw Todd Akin under the bus and that was after he won the primary.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2014, 09:28:35 PM

I'm not sure the partisan difference is all that big, it's so few people to begin with. At least for Congress anyway. Just looking at these lists: http://www.rollcall.com/politics/casualtylist.html

When the Republicans had control during the 1995-2006 period the list was:
D: Flake*, Ballance*, Tucker*, Reynolds*
R: Livingston, Janklow*, Ney*, Foley, DeLay, Cunningham*, Packerwood

When the Democrats had control from 2007-2010 the list was:
D: Massa
R: Souder

The last two Congresses have been:
D: Wu, Wiener
R: Ensign, Lee

*Convicted of or pled guilty to crimes.

EDIT: Anyone from those lists that I didn't list above either cited health concerns, took a job elsewhere (appointed to Cabinet, president of university, lobbyist, CEO of some firm, etc.), or lost a primary and resigned early while not having anything on their Wiki page about a scandal. Except for Mel Martinez I think who had no sort of explanation.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2014, 03:03:23 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2014, 03:40:52 PM

Remember how everyone was begging him to jump into the race back in spring 2012? By late October/early November they wanted to kick him out the party, due to the Sandy thing and his "me me me" RNC speech.

I think he could win the nomination under the right conditions, but if not he's screwed. He'll have the money to survive the early, crazy states (Iowa, SC, NH), and once he gets to Florida and the midwest I think he can gain steam. But then again...that's the exact same strategy Gulianni bet on and we know how that ended.

Pretty sure you have to be competitive in the early states.  Has anyone in the modern era gotten the nomination without doing well in Iowa and/or New Hampshire?  Giuliani's problem wasn't so much skipping the early states as campaigning there, failing, then claiming they were focusing on later states as damage control.

The Halperin/Heilemann book had a bunch of stuff about Christie being a "vetting nightmare" when Romney's team considered him for the VP slot, including Christie's people dragging their feet on sharing documents the Romney campaign asked for.  That probably has to be taken with a big grain of salt, considering how Romney's people probably felt about Christie in the immediate aftermath of the election.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 12, 2014, 03:46:33 AM

Quote from: Mandark on January 11, 2014, 03:04:51 PM

Oh, is Christie the new Gingrich/McCain/Giuliani/Bloomberg?  That'd explain it.

Wait, when was the Newtster seen as a RINO? Remember when he put Juan Williams in his place at the Georgia debate?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2014, 03:59:28 AM

(http://www.bloomberg.com/image/ir3I3gu.8Xbs.jpg)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qi6n_-wB154

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2014, 04:05:03 AM

Oh, I just meant Christie might be TA's new favorite Republican.  Just trying to figure why he's been so weirdly aggro.


And how bout it, benji?  Government doesn't meet health care demand, voters throw the bums out.  Interested in hearing your take on that.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2014, 07:00:13 AM

The new Game Change also mentioned that Romney's folks were very concerned about a high placed female aide who travels with him everywhere. I kinda wonder if it was Bridget Kelly.

I'd imagine Christie would do better than Gulianni in early states, it wouldn't be hard to in fact. Coming in third or fourth, being competitive in the debates (Gulianni was pretty bad/911 911 911), and avoiding mistakes could set him up for a solid run in the Midwest.

Ultimately I think Scott Walker might be the safe pick. He'll have the establishment's blessing alongside Christie (assuming this scandal blows over) and is perhaps the only candidate who could unite the three sides of the party; tea party types like him, the business side love him, and a hard line military speech will do the rest. Needless to say he has a horrible economic record, slightly better than Christie's.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2014, 07:05:57 AM

Pretty much all candidates unite their parties in the general election.  Or rather partisans always wind up supporting their party's candidate.

Christie's different from Giuliani in that he doesn't (AFAIK) have any major breaks from standard/acceptable GOP positions.  People don't think of him as a social conservative but he's against gay marriage and abortion, no?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2014, 09:52:38 AM

Actually Christie has raised taxes and passed surprising gun control bills. He also accepted the Medicaid expansion.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2014, 09:41:55 AM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/01/12/foxs-hume-christie-seen-as-a-bully-because-hes/197548

HOST HOWARD KURTZ : So what about this bully narrative [surrounding Chris Christie]?

FOX SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST BRIT HUME: Well, I would have to say that in this sort of feminized atmosphere in which we exist today, guys who are masculine and muscular like that in their private conduct, kind of old fashion tough guys, run some risk.

:neogaf

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 13, 2014, 09:43:25 AM

What exactly does Christie offer that others do not? He has the ability to speak glibly, but that seems like a talent that only serves to make you more divisive than actually attract new people.

He doesn't have a great record of experience(s) or some kind of 'hook' that people can latch onto nor any kind of great charisma or leadership skills. At least not apparent to me.

I guess he seems a bit more secular in his approach to politics than someone like Rick Perry, but that's not saying much either.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 13, 2014, 10:06:35 AM

Only demi appreciates masculine, muscular guys like Chris Christie.  :'(

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2014, 10:13:25 AM

He's quite charismatic and very quick on his feet. I watched some of his press conference and was surprised at the Clintonian way he sailed through. During the press conference my twitter feed was quite negative between liberals claiming he was bombing and conservatives shaking their heads. Yet when I watched it he seemed to have effortless control and confidence; he didn't look or sound like a guy who dun goofed.

The Beltway loves him, as they do most republicans who somehow win the "above the fray" title (see: Paul Ryan). But unlike Ryan, Christie is actually a talented politician, probably the second best current politician. And while personally I think Obama is a bad politician in many ways, anyone who is named Barack Hussein Obama and wins election and reelection as president becomes the best living politician by default.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 13, 2014, 10:36:19 AM

I can't see him losing conservative voters but I do think he would mobilize the more relaxed moderate and liberal leaning voters. Just on the basis that he can't get through a primary season without saying some crazy partisan shit.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 13, 2014, 11:38:41 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain_censure

Quote

A group of Arizona Republicans on Saturday formally censured Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) in a resolution that essentially branded him a "Republican In Name Only."

The Maricopa County Republican Committee voted overwhelmingly at its annual meeting to censure McCain, who was described as having a "long and terrible record of drafting, co-sponsoring and voting for legislation best associated with Liberal Democrats," Phoenix TV station KNXV reported.

 :neogaf :picard :paul

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2014, 12:28:58 PM

:rofl

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on January 13, 2014, 12:33:21 PM

Quote

FROM: Bob Carleton
SUBJECT: Spelling Bee Champ

My name be Eboneesha Hernandez, a African-Hispanic-American Girl who jus got a award for bein the bess speler in class. I gots a 47% on the spelin text and 38 points for being black, 10 points for not bringin drugs to class, 10 points for not bringin guns to class, and 15 points for not getting pregnut during the cemester. It be hard to beat a score of 120%.

White dude sit nex to me is McGee from Jaxon Mizipy. He got a 94% on the text but no extra points on acount of he have the same skin color as the opressirs of 150 years ago. Granny ax me to thank all dimocrafts and liberuls for suportin afermative axion. You be showin da way to true eqwallity.

I be gittin in medical skool nex an mabe I be yo doctor since Barrac takn over da healfcare in dis contry.

Yup (http://www.toledoblade.com/local/2014/01/03/Long-time-Norwalk-councilman-says-he-was-trying-to-be-funny-in-racist-email.html)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2014, 12:50:30 PM

It's funny because minority children receive a sub-standard education due to a lack of proper funding and skilled teachers in inner-city schools. A good joke.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 13, 2014, 02:21:34 PM

She should have lost points for not bring a gun to class. How else will she be able defend her self and her classmates from a bad guy with a gun?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2014, 06:22:30 PM

That unauthorized Roger Ailes biography it out tomorrow and it basically confirms what everyone already knew: that Roger Ailes is total scumbag.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 14, 2014, 04:33:40 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 13, 2014, 02:21:34 PM

She should have lost points for not bring a gun to class. How else will she be able defend her self and her classmates from a bad guy with a gun?

But by being black-hispanic, that would make her the bad guy with the gun.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2014, 10:17:35 AM

Yeah, and the State Department specifically asked for additional funding for embassy security prior to the attack, a request that was shot down by GOP lawmakers. Not that anyone should be surprised by that.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2014, 09:45:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m6d9ev5i6Y

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2014, 09:02:12 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on January 15, 2014, 02:39:34 AM

DeMint op-ed kills more brain cells than a week in Vegas:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/barack-obama-poverty-plan-102173.html?hp=l4#.UtY6h9JDuWk (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/01/barack-obama-poverty-plan-102173.html?hp=l4#.UtY6h9JDuWk)

Quote

Solyndra

:neogaf

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2014, 11:54:25 AM

Politico Magazine is really hitting it out the park, huh

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2014, 01:45:38 PM

Commence the hand-wringing!

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2014, 01:58:29 PM

Quote

In his signature legislative achievement alone, the Affordable Care Act, the president has unilaterally amended the law multiple times

I thought this would just be a GOP meme, but it's now mainstream. They realize that cabinet secretaries have broad power to administer passed laws correct?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 16, 2014, 02:03:31 PM

:gloomy Obama isn't acting like a republican :gloomy

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2014, 02:45:36 PM

Politico  :stahp

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2014, 04:48:04 PM

Quote

Similarly, with the stroke of a magisterial pen, he has gutted large swaths of federal law that enjoy bipartisan support, including the Clinton-era welfare reform work requirement

literally not true

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 16, 2014, 04:55:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2014, 04:48:04 PM

Quote

Similarly, with the stroke of a magisterial pen, he has gutted large swaths of federal law that enjoy bipartisan support, including the Clinton-era welfare reform work requirement

literally not true

Yeah, it took several strokes #tcot

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2014, 05:08:43 PM

I just read the paragraph on the authors:

Quote

David Rivkin served in the Justice Department and the White House Counsel’s Office in the Reagan and George H.W. Bush administrations. He practices appellate litigation with particular focus on constitutional law at Baker Hostetler LLP and represented the 26 states that challenged the constitutionality of Obamacare. Elizabeth Price Foley is professor of constitutional law at Florida International University College of Law. She is the author, most recently, of The Tea Party: Three Principles.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v241/Devora/rolleyesbarf.gif)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2014, 05:18:19 PM

::)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2014, 06:29:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_vLWXC6kj0

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2014, 11:21:31 PM

Quote

Poll: Support For Same-Sex Marriage Split In Utah

Utah residents are split evenly on support for same-sex marriage -- 48 percent feel gay couples should be issued state marriage licenses while 48 percent do not, according to a Tuesday Salt Lake Tribune poll.

The numbers mark a dramatic shift in attitude toward same-sex marriage in the state, according to the Tribune.

In 2004, 66 percent of Utah voters approved a constitutional ban on same-marriage, which was struck down by a federal judge in December.

The Tribune highlighted that while only 32 percent of Mormons supported same-sex marriage, 65 percent of Mormons supported civil unions for gay couples.

SurveyUSA, which conducted the poll for the Tribune, surveyed 600 Utahns via phone Jan. 10-13 with a margin or error between 3.7 percent and 5.3 percent.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/same-sex-marriage-support-split-utah

Holy shit. I had just assumed gay marriage would be wildly unpopular in Utah, and that fact would be used by conservatives to complain about the court ruling.

The writing is on the wall, folks. And this isn't like abortion, which imo will always be contentious to one degree or another. Folks realize gay marriage has no effect on them, they don't care. GG.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 16, 2014, 11:28:39 PM

That is because people in Utah are hoping that by getting gay marriage on the books, they can overturn the polygamy ban next :hans1

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 17, 2014, 08:42:25 AM

Does this Obama NSA thing strike anyone else as just a shell game and blame shifting?

So, great that 'the government' doesn't hold any of the  phone data ... instead it will (most likely) be held by an outsourced public company that will be wholly dependent on government money. Not to mention being more susceptible to being compromised.

So, a crooked adminstration can still access files as long as they find one judge in their pocket to approve what they want to do. Shouldn't be too hard, with the amount of polarized and careerists judges we have in the country.

 

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2014, 11:16:17 AM

Pretty much. It means congress can't blame the administration for laws they passed in 2001, but ultimately nothing changes.

Smear the shit around. Typical Obama reform.   :ufup

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 17, 2014, 02:34:16 PM

Quote

Speaking on Fox News, [Rand Paul] reacted to Obama's repeated assertions that Republicans should win elections if they want to control the agenda in Washington. Obama has also suggested in recent days that he might pursue more executive actions -- changes made without Congress.

"The danger to majority rule -- to him sort of thinking, well, the majority voted for me, now I'm the majority, I can do whatever I want, and that there are no rules that restrain me -- that's what gave us Jim Crow," Paul said. "That's what gave us the internment of the Japanese -- that the majority said you don't have individual rights, and individual rights don't come from your creator, and they’re not guaranteed by the Constitution. It’s just whatever the majority wants."

:paul Paul 2016, the REVOLUTION is not dead! :paul

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 17, 2014, 02:51:30 PM

Rand Paul hates democracy.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2014, 05:46:54 PM

Majority rule is bad! Therefore, we should have a small group of wealthy, white men get together in a quiet room somewhere and make all of our decisions for us.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 17, 2014, 06:39:07 PM

Drinky/Prole/Jackfrost2012/TimRogers/Vestal/VanCruncheon tricked me into reading this elsewhere, so you're all going to have to suffer through it:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/17/opinion/brooks-the-inequality-problem.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/17/opinion/brooks-the-inequality-problem.html)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 17, 2014, 08:15:18 PM

 :beli

David Brooks is going to be the motherfucking death of me, I swear.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2014, 09:21:12 PM

Not really, because if you pay people more then they have more to spend and the people at or near the bottom spend virtually every cent they get inside the same month they get it, which creates more demand for products which require greater production and service capacity which results in more jobs which results in less unemployment and less income inequality.

There. Now give me my weekly column, NYT.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 18, 2014, 04:21:33 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wildstein-story-to-tell-immunity

An attorney for David Wildstein, one of the men at the center of the investigation into last September's lane closures on the George Washington Bridge, said his client has a "story to tell" if granted immunity from state and federal prosecution.

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/hoboken-mayor-christie-team-shook-us-down-for-sandy-relief

On MSNBC’s “Up with Steve Kornacki” this morning, Hoboken, N.J. mayor Dawn Zimmer offered an extraordinary account of her dealings with the administration of Governor Chris Christie concerning federal Hurricane Sandy relief aid. She described an effort by top state officials – the lieutenant governor and a cabinet member – to coerce Hoboken’s city government into fast-tracking approval of a proposed redevelopment project by withholding Sandy aid from the government and residents of her city. That project, she says she was told, was “very important to the governor.” And if she worked to get it approved, “the money would start flowing to you.”

:neogaf

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 18, 2014, 04:37:47 PM

The rights view of income inequality is this:

$15 minimum wage is part of 'entitlement culture'.

Million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes are fair compensation.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2014, 10:18:32 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/18/romney-defends-christie-handling-bridge-controversy/

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Former GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney is stepping up for New Jersey Republican Gov. Chris Christie amid more attacks and accusations this weekend about the bridge scandal and political retribution.

“I think Chris has handled this in a very effective way,” Romney told The Washington Post.

...

Romney also told The Post that Christie took swift and decisive action upon learning a member of his administration did something he found reprehensible.

“He faced the American people for two hours, took their questions,” Romney said. “He dismissed people who were responsible. He took personal responsibility. That’s what a leader does.”

Romney, a former governor of Massachusetts, also said he doesn’t think Christie chances of running for president in 2016 will be hurt by the controversy, should Christie choose to run. 

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2014, 02:55:46 AM

So...anybody ever watch the West Wing?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2014, 02:57:29 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 18, 2014, 04:37:47 PM

The rights view of income inequality is this:

$15 minimum wage is part of 'entitlement culture'.

Million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes are fair compensation.

One is worth what the market will bear. If you think making a hamburger is a 15 dollar an hour job god bless you. ..and I hope he does because nobody with a 6th grade or higher education will.

You either are or you aren't...stop fucking trying to force this shit down our throat

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 19, 2014, 03:14:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2014, 02:55:46 AM

So...anybody ever watch the West Wing?

Nope.  Sounds kinda lame.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2014, 03:27:51 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2014, 02:57:29 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 18, 2014, 04:37:47 PM

The rights view of income inequality is this:

$15 minimum wage is part of 'entitlement culture'.

Million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes are fair compensation.

One is worth what the market will bear. If you think making a hamburger is a 15 dollar an hour job god bless you. ..and I hope he does because nobody with a 6th grade or higher education will.

You either are or you aren't...stop fucking trying to force this shit down our throat

So what jobs should the 50 million people living in poverty be working towards if the jobs they currently have [or don't have, with the way things are right now] won't pay them enough for them to not live in poverty?

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2014, 03:39:07 AM

There's a lot more than fifty million people living in poverty.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 19, 2014, 03:58:10 AM

plus its stupid to think that a company like mcdonalds or walmart would just have extra money on hand to pay their employees more

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2014, 08:54:11 AM

Quote from: Positive Touch on January 19, 2014, 03:58:10 AM

plus its stupid to think that a company like mcdonalds or walmart would just have extra money on hand to pay their employees more

Better to just let the government subsidize them in the form of food stamps. Then they can afford to buy t-bone steaks and cadillacs and everyone wins.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2014, 11:46:19 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2014, 02:55:46 AM

So...anybody ever watch the West Wing?

Felt too much like fantasy nonsense for me, I only lasted a couple episodes. I liked House Of Cards though...

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2014, 02:38:38 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/local/2014/01/18/one-family-two-sacrifices/?hpid=z1
:tocry

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2014, 10:30:15 PM

From the latest PPP primary poll in NH, this is Republicans only:

Quote

Q17 Has the legalization of gay marriage in New
Hampshire had a positive or negative impact
on your life, or has it not had any impact at all?
Positive impact 6% ........
Negative impact 23% ......
No impact at all 71% .......

Q18 Do you think same-sex marriage should be
allowed, or not?
 41% It should be allowed
 46% It should not............
 13% Not sure ..................

Also:

Quote

Q2 If Mike Huckabee was not a candidate for
President in 2016
Jeb Bush 14% .................
Chris Christie 28% ..........
Ted Cruz 10% .................
Bobby Jindal 4% ...........
Rand Paul 14% ...............
Marco Rubio 8% ...........
Paul Ryan 9% ...............
Scott Walker 4% ...........
 10% Someone else/Not sure..........

Q13 Has your opinion of Chris Christie gotten
higher, lower, or stayed about the same this
week?
Higher 14% .............................................................
Lower 18% ..............................................................
About the same 64% ...............................................
Not sure 3%

From the Dems, who they asked far fewer questions of:

Quote

If neither Hillary Clinton nor Joe Biden ran for
President in 2016, who would you most like to
see as the Democratic nominee?
Cory Booker 9% ............
Andrew Cuomo 19% .......
Kirsten Gillibrand 4% ....
Martin O'Malley 5% .......
Brian Schweitzer 2% .....
Mark Warner 2% ...........
Elizabeth Warren 30% ....
 28%

Q6 Do you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion
of Hillary Clinton?
Favorable 86% ........................................................
Unfavorable 10% ....................................................
Not sure 4%

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2014, 10:42:20 PM

For comparison, a PPP NH poll from May 2012, also Republicans only:

Quote

Same-sex Marriage Legal/Illegal
Legal 21%
Illegal 69%
Not sure 10%
 
Gay couples should be allowed to legally marry 19%
Gay couples should be allowed to form civil unions but not marry 50%
There should be no legal recognition of a gay couple's relationship 28%
Not sure 2%

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2014, 12:43:28 AM

Shit is done with. Weed legalization, too. In the next 10 years for sure.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 01:34:51 AM

Barely encouraging sign (for me anyway because you gotta take what you can get) from the crosstabs of the legal gay marriage positive/negative/no impact:

Positive: Paul 35%, Christie 32%, Bush 13%, Cruz/Rubio 3%, Ryan/Jindal 2%
Negative: Cruz 20%, Christie 18%, Bush 17%, Paul 14%, Ryan 9%, Rubio 6%, Walker 5%, Jindal 4%
No Impact: Christie 31%, Bush 13%, Paul 12%, Ryan 10%, Rubio 9%, Cruz 7%, Jindal 4%, Walker 3%

Now the amusing thing, from the favorable/unfavorables for Paul:
Positive: 31%/46%
Negative: 69%/10%
No Impact: 54%/23%

He has the largest favorability gap for any of the candidates (among any of the gay marriage categories) with people who think gay marriage is a negative thing, but he's the most popular candidate only in the positive group. Oh statistics, you old scamp!

Here's the poll, they also asked if Republicans support $10 minimum wage, believe man made climate change is occurring and if the recent cold weather disproves global warming: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2014/PPP_Release_NH_116.pdf

Christie leads 45-12-11 (Bush-Paul) among Republicans who think man made climate change is real, 0% of them support Cruz...while he barely leads the opposite: 20-18-15-14 (Christie-Cruz-Bush-Paul)
Similar for the polar vortex proves it's a fraud, those who agree go 20-19-16-15 for Cruz-Paul-Christie-Bush while the fraud deniers go: 45-16-9-9 (Christie-Bush-Rubio-Ryan) and Cruz drops to 2%.

Cruz seems to be the front-runner in the whatever you want to call it group that often makes up GOP caricatures. I wonder if he similarly goes from 0-5% to 20% in other states/nationally/etc. I'll have to try and remember to peek at that in future polls.

Andrew Cuomo is 58%/10% fav/unfav with those over 65, but 20%/30% with those 18-45. Do the old folks think he's his dad?  :lol

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 01:45:41 AM

I talked to some folks who are setting the stage for Paul's run here. There was some concern over whether Ron Paul's fanboys would support the less orthodox Rand, but apparently they're pouring in, especially after the drone filibuster.

I think 2016 will boil down to Scott Walker v Rand Paul. Cruz is the hot shit right now and will have an impressive grass roots but I still think he's going to get torpedoed by the party.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 01:47:00 AM

He's already one step ahead of Obama, he put that birth certificate out months ago.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 01:57:11 AM

Another thing: Paul understands the importance of a well run internet infrastructure than most potential GOP candidates. Romney didn't have one until he became the nominee, and we all know how it turned out on election day (crashing within an hour of polls opening).

Republicans were four years behind Obama's online infrastructure in 2008, and 8 years behind him in 2012. Hillary is already snatching up Obama's campaign talent, she'll be well positioned for the general. Whereas I think Paul will run circles around his GOP opponents online, but ultimately lose to the establishment candidate because that's what republicans do.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 20, 2014, 01:57:23 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on January 20, 2014, 12:43:28 AM

Shit is done with. Weed legalization, too. In the next 10 years for sure.

Not in half the states.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2014, 02:03:11 AM

IIRC in the 2008 primaries McCain led among GOP voters who said the Iraq war was a mistake, despite famously staking his comeback on support of the war and the surge.

Also, people who answered "negative impact" on the gay marriage question gave much better ratings to all the prospective candidates except for Jeb Bush and Christie.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 02:26:59 AM

That's interesting, I'll have to look into it more. There's something there about marketing vs. content. Is Ted Cruz seemingly the darling of this GOP faction because of what he's saying or is there choice-supportive bias at work? Or does he get favorable marketing from Hannity, Rush, etc.? Similarly with McCain, was he supported that way because he was perceived as anti-Bush/RINO or is there an explanation like they thought it was a mistake so McCain's surge should be used to fix it!

I've seen a few things where Republicans were asked about Christie and they couldn't really tell if he was for gun control, abortion, etc. Some speculation that whether or not they liked him played a large role in what positions they think he holds. I think there were some Obama v. Romney versions of that from 2012, where the pollsters would swap their positions or something.

I'm sure there's something very similar to this if not exactly this but I can't remember the terms for it so finding research has been unfruitful.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2014, 02:30:23 AM

Ted Cruz is the favorite of a lot of different groups that make up the GOP base... religious nutbars, teahadists, what have you.  Most of the true believers love them some Ted Cruz. I could see him winning Iowa, Nevada, and South Carolina HANDILY. He'll probably lose NH to whatever RINO the Chamber of Commerce establishment types want to be the nominee, but I sincerely think we're looking at Ted Cruz as the nominee in 2016, which should scare the everliving shit out of everyone.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 02:54:16 AM

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/18/lets_nationalize_fox_news_imagining_a_very_different_media/

Quote

And there will be stories of continuing struggles to make sure that the revolution represents the entire working class—especially struggles against the old but adhesive attitudes of racism and sexism. In a society where racism and sexism are as widespread as they are in the United States, they will not evaporate simply because revolutionaries nail a “closed” sign to the door of the New York Stock Exchange.

Discussions, debates, even battles will continue, and social justice committees will be elected by the union membership to look into complaints and to dig up and root out capitalist, racist, and sexist weeds that continue to grow.

Social justice committees in each workplace and community will have no shortage of complaints to consider—and the media will have no shortage of stories to investigate.

Besides reporting news, the media will be key to ensuring the fullest public discussion and debate of policies under consideration by national and local governments, as well as of proposed changes in local workplaces, schools, and communities.

I feel like I've read this book already.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 20, 2014, 03:38:35 AM

Damn, Christie is going to jail.

I don't know when exactly the resignation/ouster will happen, anybody care to wager a guess?  My head says within the week, but my gut says he'll ride this out till the last possible minute, while being as big a dick about it as possible.  Possibly till the end of January.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 20, 2014, 04:07:50 AM

I like the headline on Foxnews.com (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/20/nj-gov-christie-office-denies-claims-withholding-sandy-aid-funds/). This obviously doesn't look good.

and re Cruz presidential chances.  The guy wants it, but he seems like a shitty candidate, dumb as Herman Cain without even his charisma/oratory skills.  He still has his Canadian citizenship and his father is an open birther.  How the hell does a guy with this many negatives get the nomination, you tell me.  The other candidates will eat him alive.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2014, 04:53:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 02:54:16 AM

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/18/lets_nationalize_fox_news_imagining_a_very_different_media/

Quote

And there will be stories of continuing struggles to make sure that the revolution represents the entire working class—especially struggles against the old but adhesive attitudes of racism and sexism. In a society where racism and sexism are as widespread as they are in the United States, they will not evaporate simply because revolutionaries nail a “closed” sign to the door of the New York Stock Exchange.

Discussions, debates, even battles will continue, and social justice committees will be elected by the union membership to look into complaints and to dig up and root out capitalist, racist, and sexist weeds that continue to grow.

Social justice committees in each workplace and community will have no shortage of complaints to consider—and the media will have no shortage of stories to investigate.

Besides reporting news, the media will be key to ensuring the fullest public discussion and debate of policies under consideration by national and local governments, as well as of proposed changes in local workplaces, schools, and communities.

I feel like I've read this book already.

Information is being suppressed and controlled by [multinational corporations/the state].  Once these powerful and oppressive institutions are disposed off, a [socialist/voluntaryist] paradise can flourish, and information will flow freely thanks to [democratic and equal access to the means of news production/freedom of contract and unfettered price signaling].  However, we must fight to achieve this.  As [Marxist/public choice] theory predicts, the [capitalist swine/entrenched bureaucracy] seeks only to maintain its current grip on power.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 05:13:57 AM

You need to re-read your Marx/Nock. The march of history will be unfettered/there's no fighting to be done or paradise to be found.  ;)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2014, 09:01:16 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 20, 2014, 03:38:35 AM

I don't know when exactly the resignation/ouster will happen, anybody care to wager a guess?  My head says within the week, but my gut says he'll ride this out till the last possible minute, while being as big a dick about it as possible.  Possibly till the end of January.

Depends on how quickly the prosecutors grant immunity to Wildstein.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2014, 10:56:27 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 19, 2014, 02:57:29 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 18, 2014, 04:37:47 PM

The rights view of income inequality is this:

$15 minimum wage is part of 'entitlement culture'.

Million dollar bonuses and golden parachutes are fair compensation.

One is worth what the market will bear. If you think making a hamburger is a 15 dollar an hour job god bless you. ..and I hope he does because nobody with a 6th grade or higher education will.

You either are or you aren't...stop fucking trying to force this shit down our throat

First, I'll shove whatever the fuck I want down your throat.
Second, since hugely profitable companies are having their labor subsidized by taxpayers, quit being a socialist sympathizer.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 12:40:52 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2014, 09:01:16 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 20, 2014, 03:38:35 AM

I don't know when exactly the resignation/ouster will happen, anybody care to wager a guess?  My head says within the week, but my gut says he'll ride this out till the last possible minute, while being as big a dick about it as possible.  Possibly till the end of January.

Depends on how quickly the prosecutors grant immunity to Wildstein.

Pretty much. I can't think of a reason he'd ask for immunity unless he's going to roll on the big fish, otherwise the Feds wouldn't consider granting his request. If Christie's hands are clean they'd figure it out and everyone else would go to jail.

I get the impression the state government is generally corrupt, and democrat lawmakers are going to use this as an opportunity to clean their hands by dumping all the shit on Christie. So even if the bridge stuff comes out clean for him, something else will hurt him.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2014, 04:30:51 PM

Never forget
(http://i.imgur.com/fhQ5a7P.gif)

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2014, 04:39:27 PM

Our greatest gay, muslim president.  :american

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2014, 08:02:44 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/UrsxJUb.png)

I can't even. :neogaf

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2014, 08:25:52 PM

So 5th dimensional pixie, Reince Priebus, decided to celebrate MLK day as you would expect from the party of MLK - by bringing up Benghazi:

https://twitter.com/Reince/status/425055216296148996

Can I just ask one question? In fact, it's the ONLY question I've ever had since this farce began: Why the hell would Obama want to have his own ambassador killed?

Right-wing conspiracy theories are generally distinguished mentally-challenged, but with most of them, I can actually sorta understand the line of thinking (using that word quite loosely). The IRS thing? Yeah. Solyndra? Sure. Fuck, even the birth certificate, I can at least understand where they're coming from.

But the idea that Obama for some reason had no desire to help Chris Stevens? It would be one thing if some Republican like Boehner or Cruz was there and he gave a stand down order. At least I could see the wingnuts make an argument for that. But as it is right now? Makes even less sense than the usual bullshit these idiots peddle.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2014, 08:28:48 PM

It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to hurt Hillary's chances of winning in 2016. Hint: it doesn't and it won't.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on January 20, 2014, 08:40:55 PM

Quote

There are forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. It means that questions must be raised.

Happy MLK day, my Amerikkkan friends :usacry

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 09:00:24 PM

That "what difference does it make?" quote is going to be warped to disgusting levels for the next three years.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2014, 09:20:06 PM

It actively upsets me because 1. she was absolutely right and 2. in the very next sentence she says it's the administration's job to find the people who attacked the embassy and makes sure something like that never happens again.

But it won't matter, because the only thing that's going to come out all this drum-beating is that more and more people start to tune it out.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 09:41:09 PM

Did the State Department do a great job handling this? No. But ultimately what were they supposed to do considering it was a CIA annex. The CIA got fucked and tried to blame the State Department, and republicans realize we'll never get the full story (again, since the place was apparently crawling with CIA operatives) so they can play politics while the WH can't say shit.

The report that just came out notes there was no "stand down" order, yet the far right will continue to repeat that lie for years to come. As I've said before, you start moving into incitement territory when you're accusing the president of letting US forces die so he could watch it on a big screen television.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2014, 09:44:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 09:00:24 PM

That "what difference does it make?" quote is going to be warped to disgusting levels for the next three years.

I was watching the hearing live and the moment Hillary uttered those words I knew the right was gonna jump on it from now til the end of time.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 10:04:47 PM

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20140118-as-wendy-davis-touts-life-story-in-race-for-governor-key-facts-blurred.ece
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/wendy-davis-texas-governor-race-2014-102402.html

Wendy, just remember... It's not a lie if you believe it.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2014, 10:06:28 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on January 20, 2014, 09:44:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2014, 09:00:24 PM

That "what difference does it make?" quote is going to be warped to disgusting levels for the next three years.

I was watching the hearing live and the moment Hillary uttered those words I knew the right was gonna jump on it from now til the end of time.

Can't wait to see it all over my Facebook from 2016-2024. :smug

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2014, 10:09:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 10:04:47 PM

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20140118-as-wendy-davis-touts-life-story-in-race-for-governor-key-facts-blurred.ece
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/01/wendy-davis-texas-governor-race-2014-102402.html

Wendy, just remember... It's not a lie if you believe it.

Quote

Davis was 21, not 19, when she was divorced.

ZOMG STOP THE PRESSES

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 20, 2014, 10:31:00 PM

Yeah, I saw that yesterday and wasn't sure why the age discrepancy was supposed to be a big deal.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2014, 10:44:35 PM

Because everything unimportant is the most important thing.

I just think they're strange things to lie about. Why are they always assuming nobody is going to look into anything and blow up the most insignificant things after you lied about them? Because you tried to puff up your story with this:

Quote

“I had a baby. I got divorced by the time I was 19 years old,” she testified in a recent federal lawsuit over redistricting. “After I got divorced, I lived in a mobile home park in southeast Fort Worth.”

As a working mother raising a daughter, Davis enrolled in Tarrant County Community College.

“With the help of academic scholarships and student loans, Wendy not only became the first person in her family to earn a bachelor’s degree but graduated first in her class and was accepted to Harvard Law School,” her website says.

You're now having to respond by saying stupid things like this:

Quote

Davis was 21, not 19, when she was divorced. She lived only a few months in the family mobile home while separated from her husband before moving into an apartment with her daughter.

A single mother working two jobs, she met Jeff Davis, a lawyer 13 years older than her, married him and had a second daughter. He paid for her last two years at Texas Christian University and her time at Harvard Law School, and kept their two daughters while she was in Boston. When they divorced in 2005, he was granted parental custody, and the girls stayed with him. Wendy Davis was directed to pay child support.

In an extensive interview last week, Davis acknowledged some chronological errors and incomplete details in what she and her aides have said about her life.

“My language should be tighter,” she said. “I’m learning about using broader, looser language. I need to be more focused on the detail.”

And creating odd things like this:

Quote

Davis’s Monday statement included a set of bullet points explaining aspects of her life such as when she was married and divorced, and her path to law school.

All you had to do was use your real age and add "family" to the list of things helping. You're not hiding the Manhattan Project here.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2014, 01:00:13 AM

She'd just turned 21 when the divorce went through, her husband filed for the divorce when she was still 20.

Title: Re: BRIDGEGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 21, 2014, 01:36:21 AM

Really, benji?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 21, 2014, 02:03:35 PM

http://www.poynter.org/latest-news/mediawire/236466/washington-post-announces-ezra-klein-is-leaving/

Traditional media is having issues retaining smart young people to work for them... continued evidence of their growing irrelevance.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2014, 03:14:03 PM

Hoboken is one of the funniest town names in the US, right behind Yonkers.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on January 21, 2014, 04:54:25 PM

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When I was 26 I backpacked around the world for five months... no wait, I was 25... who gives a shit?

have this in reverse - got to fill in my India visa and it's WHEN WERE YOU HERE PREVIOUSLY? WHICH PLACE DID YOU STAY AT ON ARRIVAL? HOW OLD WERE YOU? WHICH CITIES DID YOU GO TO? WHICH VACCINATIONS DID YOU GET?

the visa form is hilarious - religions preferences is on there, my parents details, "distinguishing features" ...

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 05:07:14 PM

Are you a terrorist? [ ] yes [ ] no

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on January 21, 2014, 09:07:05 PM

Quote from: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 05:07:14 PM

Are you a terrorist? [ ] yes [ ] no

My favourite part of the form when entering the US, along with "were you a member of the Nazi party?"

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2014, 09:22:38 PM

just wait until The Business reaches the "please circle the names on the list below" portion and realizes 69% of The Bore are recognized as known phaggotry dabblers and/or sympathizers.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on January 22, 2014, 09:02:22 AM

Quote from: Broseidon on January 21, 2014, 09:07:05 PM

Quote from: Rufus on January 21, 2014, 05:07:14 PM

Are you a terrorist? [ ] yes [ ] no

My favourite part of the form when entering the US, along with "were you a member of the Nazi party?"

If you answer yes to that you get referred to the Agentinian embassy.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 22, 2014, 10:37:01 AM

Do they get pissed if you tell them to just get the info they need from the NSA? :heh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 22, 2014, 10:37:59 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/LmDgnWq.png)

I need to get in on this Governor of Virginia business. I could use a new Oscar de la Renta dress. :lawd

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 22, 2014, 11:57:05 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/21/usa-tax-fatca-idUSL2N0KV0XM20140121

 :american

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 22, 2014, 11:58:41 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 22, 2014, 11:57:05 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/01/21/usa-tax-fatca-idUSL2N0KV0XM20140121

 :american

:pacspit

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 22, 2014, 02:11:16 PM

I'm all for an anti-FATCAT bill.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2014, 02:06:11 PM

Liberals want to put pot into virtually every cheap food on the market? I didn't know that!

And no liberal thinks people who produce and distribute trans-fat should be thrown in prison.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 23, 2014, 02:07:24 PM

Big money grasping at straws

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 23, 2014, 02:17:40 PM

Hehe. I love conservative articles that rely on false equivalencies to "prove" hypocrisy.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 23, 2014, 03:07:25 PM

Remember when we put 50 million people in jail for possessing and distributing trans fats? Those were some rough times.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2014, 03:16:24 PM

There were many casualties in the War on Trans-Fat. White Castle Homestyle Onion Rings were the first, but they were not the last.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 23, 2014, 06:13:01 PM

Isn't it hypocritical of liberals to be opposed to carbon emissions considering...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

they themselves are made of carbon? :smug

[close]

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on January 23, 2014, 06:52:35 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on January 23, 2014, 06:13:01 PM

Isn't it hypocritical of liberals to be opposed to carbon emissions considering...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

they themselves are made of carbon? :smug

[close]

No, look at conservative opposition to teaching/providing birth control.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2014, 07:10:56 PM

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Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and George Venizelos, the Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), announced today an Indictment charging DINESH D’SOUZA with violating the federal campaign finance laws by making illegal contributions to a United States Senate campaign in the names of others and causing false statements to be made to the Federal Election Commission in connection with those contributions. D’SOUZA is expected to be presented and arraigned tomorrow in Manhattan federal court before U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/January14/DineshDSouzaCharges.php

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/obama-dance.gif)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 23, 2014, 07:46:21 PM

lol owned

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on January 23, 2014, 07:54:29 PM

:dead

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on January 23, 2014, 08:01:43 PM

Obama's America

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 23, 2014, 08:03:42 PM

Thanks, Obama!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 23, 2014, 08:26:14 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2014, 07:10:56 PM

Quote

Preet Bharara, the United States Attorney for the Southern District of New York, and George Venizelos, the Assistant Director-in-Charge of the New York Office of the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”), announced today an Indictment charging DINESH D’SOUZA with violating the federal campaign finance laws by making illegal contributions to a United States Senate campaign in the names of others and causing false statements to be made to the Federal Election Commission in connection with those contributions. D’SOUZA is expected to be presented and arraigned tomorrow in Manhattan federal court before U.S. District Judge Richard M. Berman.

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/January14/DineshDSouzaCharges.php

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/obama-dance.gif)

The roots of Obama's joy.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on January 23, 2014, 09:12:47 PM

And so another patriot joins Breitbart as a victim of O's crackdown on truth-outers.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 23, 2014, 11:15:32 PM

Typical FEC false flag. Making it look like they're taking down some small time foreign looking dude while Karl Rove is laughing his ass off.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2014, 02:31:00 AM

Quote from: helios on January 23, 2014, 08:01:43 PM

Obama's America

Two years early!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 24, 2014, 02:35:48 AM

With all the ways to funnel money into political campaigns these days, who gets caught making illegal donations?

Really now.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 24, 2014, 05:12:27 AM

http://www.salon.com/2014/01/22/glenn_beck_says_bill_nyes_fight_against_creationism_is_like_the_catholic_churchs_war_on_galileo/

I...I...


 :what :oreilly :wtf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 24, 2014, 08:53:23 AM

I lost interest after "glen beck says".

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2014, 09:02:51 AM

It's a well-known fact that conservatives have trouble with complex notions like "irony."

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 24, 2014, 09:35:39 AM

The best part is when he said Arne Duncan's grandchildren are going to ask him someday why he said only white surburban moms were opposed to Common Core.

I know some people feel strongly about Common Core, but it's not exactly a Crying Indian issue. :wtf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 24, 2014, 02:25:00 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/rnc-denounces-nsa-spying_n_4659634.html

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The RNC resolution advises Republican lawmakers to call for a special committee that could "reveal" the extent of the NSA's spying and "hold accountable those public officials who are found to be responsible for this unconstitutional surveillance."

The resolution also calls on Republicans to seek to "amend Section 215 of the USA Patriot Act, the state secrets privilege, and the FISA Amendments Act to make it clear that blanket surveillance of the Internet activity, phone records and correspondence -- electronic, physical, and otherwise -- of any person residing in the U.S. is prohibited by law and that violations can be reviewed in adversarial proceedings before a public court."

Where did the Patriot act come from again? Necessary when they are in power, evil when they aren't.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2014, 04:43:39 PM

Quote

The RNC resolution advises Republican lawmakers to call for a special committee that could "reveal" the extent of the NSA's spying and "hold accountable those public officials who are found to be responsible for this unconstitutional surveillance."

Okay, we can start with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, see where we go from there.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 24, 2014, 04:49:05 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 24, 2014, 09:35:39 AM

The best part is when he said Arne Duncan's grandchildren are going to ask him someday why he said only white surburban moms were opposed to Common Core.

I know some people feel strongly about Common Core, but it's not exactly a Crying Indian issue. :wtf

Common Core is a mess. We're using it in the schools I work at. Great belief to strive for, but it's killing a ton of kids more than the standardized tests were doing before.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2014, 05:07:33 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/missouri-obamacare-navigator-law-blocked

"Having made the choice to leave the operation of the exchange to the federal government, Missouri cannot choose to impose additional requirements or limitations on the exchange," Smith said. He added that those challenging the law "are likely to prevail" with their argument that the navigator law is preempted by federal statute.

LMAO

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on January 24, 2014, 05:12:40 PM

THANK FUCKING GOD I HATE THIS SHITTY STATE

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2014, 05:49:33 PM

The sabotage going on is ridiculous. No one had a problem with Medicare Part D's navigators helping folks take advantage of that law. The result is that the law works horribly in some states (Texas, NC, etc) while it works great in others (California, Kentucky, etc). Many states like Michigan are in between due to state governments relying on the federal website, which is working but would probably be more effective if it was state run.

Speaking of Kentucky

Quote

60% Of KY GOPers Buck McConnell, Support Medicaid Expansion

A solid majority of Kentucky Republicans support the state's decision to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, according to a new poll, standing in stark contrast to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell's opposition to the provision.

The Foundation for a Healthy Kentucky poll, reported by NPR-affiliated WFPL, found that 60 percent of self-identified Republicans said they support expansion. In total, 79 percent of Kentuckians agree with Democratic Gov. Steve Beshear's decision to expand coverage to low-income people under the health care reform law.

In a statement to WFPL, McConnell spokesman Robert Steurer dismissed the findings.

"Most new Obamacare enrollees are not on private plans, but are added to the state’s struggling Medicaid program," he said, "where one hundred percent of these costs will be picked up by taxpayers and where there is already a shortage of physicians accepting Medicaid patients."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/poll-kentucky-obamacare-medicaid-expansion

More physicians will begin accepting Medicaid patients due to reimbursement rates being increased. At my old job we began accepting children in the Medicaid program in October due to that. I think I've mentioned it before, but previously the program would pay $10 for a filling, whereas now they pay about $90.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2014, 10:49:04 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYX6WIfzuuk

he illegally funneled money through his wife AND mistress :rofl

mistress is pretty fine tho  :leon

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 24, 2014, 11:14:35 PM

Both the wife and mistress could get it

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2014, 11:33:59 PM

:bow Young Turks :bow2

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2014, 12:44:43 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/24/huckabee-rips-critics-libido-comments/

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Mike Huckabee says he is mystified by the liberal criticism of his remarks on women, contraception and libido, which erupted yesterday as the former Arkansas governor actively weighs a presidential campaign.

Huckabee, a Fox News host, says his comments were “virtually identical” to what he said on his network show last weekend, which he said produced no reaction.

“I'm always flattered when people on the far left manufacture a new version of being ‘offended,’” Huckabee told me. “They can be quite creative in finding something that hurts their feelings.” 

...

In his speech to the Republican National Committee's winter meeting on Thursday, Huckabee said: “If the Democrats want to insult women by making them believe that they are helpless without Uncle Sugar coming in and providing for them a prescription each month for birth control because they cannot control their libido or their reproductive system without the help of the government, then so be it.”

He added: "Our party stands for the recognition of the equality of women and the capacity of women. That’s not a war on them, it’s a war for them.”

The use of the word “libido” brought an avalanche of criticism from the left. The Huffington Post ran a screaming headline, “Huckabee: Dems Think Women ‘Can’t Control Their Libido.” MSNBC has run segments titled “Hucked Up” and “What the Huck?”

Huckabee put part of the blame on two network reporters, NBC’s Kasie Hunt and CNN’s Dana Bash, who “erroneously tweeted” his remarks “to mean the polar opposite” and had to correct the tweets “because they so totally blew it…and now it’s a scandal?”

...

Huckabee, saying that he has an “outspoken wife” and appointed more women in Arkansas than any other governor, told me: “If people read the actual words I said in context, everyone who wants to understand it will.”

But does he have binders full of them?

Quote

Pressed today about his use of “libido,” Huckabee said by e-mail: “Women (like men) are sexual beings, but they are much more than that. To reduce either gender or any person to one aspect of their being is an unfair characterization.  My point was to point out that Dems have put a laser like focus on government funded birth control and given it more attention than cancer drugs.”

As for the word, “never thought about every word parsed apart from the overall message, so not sure why that one word attracts such attention in the context of the statement. It adds color and as a communicator yourself, you probably try to write so as to create vivid pictures. Libido is a normal part of being human. Nothing scandalous about it. But without it, in either women or men, would there be a demand for birth control?” 

"Women are sexual beings"  :phil


On the lighter side, though apparently he does this often and intentionally:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-SxG7rwYgs

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2014, 02:23:02 AM

Huckabee wants to free women from the unbearable slavery that is not being pregnant all the time and having a job.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2014, 03:01:23 AM

Republicans seem intellectually incapable of understanding that women use birth control for non sexual reasons, too.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 25, 2014, 03:31:42 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2014, 03:01:23 AM

Republicans seem intellectually incapable of understanding that women use birth control for non sexual reasons, too.

That's just what a slut would say: http://prospect.org/article/why-republicans-keep-calling-women-sluts

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 25, 2014, 05:00:31 PM

My wife was prescribed birth control for ovarian cysts when she was a teenager. But that doesn't fit the narrative.

What the right is saying is, 'We hate abortion, but prefer them to free birth control.'

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2014, 05:32:16 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 25, 2014, 05:00:31 PM

My wife was prescribed birth control for ovarian cysts when she was a teenager. But that doesn't fit the narrative.

What the right is saying is, 'We hate abortion, but prefer them to free birth control.'

Sex is a dirty filthy sin, and pregnancy is your punishment. Don't try to avoid God's judgement with your fancy contraceptives or abortions.  :wag

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2014, 10:40:36 PM

Quote from: PhoenixDark

I still believe we'd be better off if Romney had won, economically. Nothing is going to get done for the next two years guys. Nothing. Which means the economy slowly strangles while republicans gloat and Obama does nothing.

Unemployment benefits would be extended under a President Romney, as they were under Bush. He'd have to work with democrats in the senate to pass his economic agenda, meaning we could get stimulus spending alongside his tax cuts.

The downside would be social issues obviously, and long term debt thanks to tax cuts. And foreign policy - well pretty much everything would be worse except the economy. I'm not saying I wish he won, hell I wish no one won. But we're stuck with a suffocating economy, obstructive congress, and a completely ineffective president.

PD, your trolling of GAF is masterful. :bow2

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2014, 03:43:26 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-on-lewinsky-scandal-dems-have-the-gall-to-accuse-gop-of-war-on-women/

it's gonna be a long two years brehs

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2014, 04:31:26 AM

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/26/5348212/ezra-klein-vox-is-our-next

There better be a trailer with people getting tattoos and playing guitars or no sale.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2014, 08:47:17 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2014, 03:43:26 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/paul-on-lewinsky-scandal-dems-have-the-gall-to-accuse-gop-of-war-on-women/

it's gonna be a long two years brehs

The dems started the KKK.They are the real racists!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 27, 2014, 10:08:29 AM

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2014/01/27/22466689-florida-rep-radel-to-resign-after-coke-conviction?lite

The (a) cokehead congressman is resigning. And after his week long rehab where he found Jesus and turned his life around and was ready to get back to work, too. I wonder if he  was afraid some more dope (:teehee) was about to leak out on him.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 27, 2014, 10:45:04 AM

Look at these comments :lol

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152240056189974&set=a.10150141099489974.330985.224383614973&type=1&permPage=1

Subwayghazi!!!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2014, 12:52:26 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-perkins-email-kristallnacht-one-percent

The top venture capitalist who compared the liberal critique on inequality in the United States to Nazi Germany doesn't seem to be backing down from his comparison.

The celebrated venture capitalist, Tom Perkins followed up to his remarks on Sunday, saying that the difference now is instead of racial demonization, it's class demonization.

"In the Nazi area it was racial demonization, now it is class demonization," Perkins said in an email to Bloomberg News.

Perkins recently penned a letter to the editor in The Wall Street Journal where he wrote that there are parallels between Nazi Germany's "war on its 'one percent,' namely its Jews, to the progressive war on the American one percent, namely the rich."

Perkins wrote that there seemed to be "a rising tide of hatred of the successful one percent."

"This is a very dangerous drift in our American thinking. Kristallnacht was unthinkable in 1930; is its descendent "progressive" radicalism unthinkable now?" Perkins wrote in the letter to the editor.

::)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2014, 01:33:17 PM

Ask the Bourbons how that worked out.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 27, 2014, 02:52:47 PM

Quote from: Spencer on January 27, 2014, 10:45:04 AM

Look at these comments :lol

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152240056189974&set=a.10150141099489974.330985.224383614973&type=1&permPage=1

Subwayghazi!!!

I hate Subway for the most part, but I'm gonna start going there more often just cause of this.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2014, 02:56:56 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 25, 2014, 12:44:43 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/24/huckabee-rips-critics-libido-comments/

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/02/15/huckabee-for-contraception-mandate-before-he-opposed-it
PD, why didn't you post this link here?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2014, 03:28:45 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 27, 2014, 02:56:56 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 25, 2014, 12:44:43 AM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/01/24/huckabee-rips-critics-libido-comments/

http://www.arktimes.com/ArkansasBlog/archives/2012/02/15/huckabee-for-contraception-mandate-before-he-opposed-it
PD, why didn't you post this link here?

I posted that yesterday on GAF.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 27, 2014, 03:32:24 PM

Quote

Hillary Clinton said that she hasn't driven a car since 1996, TPM reports.

Said Clinton: "I have to confess that one of the regrets I have about my public life is that I can't drive anymore. My husband thinks that's a blessing, but he's the one who should talk. Last time I actually drove a car myself was 1996, and I remember it very well. Unfortunately so does the Secret Service, which is why I haven't driven since then."

PD, please explain.

I can't vote for a person who can't drive. This is America.

Chris Christie can probably drive a car with his gut.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2014, 04:48:23 PM

Christie couldn't even fit in car lol cuz he's so fat

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2014, 06:17:43 PM

Where's he gonna go? Across the George Washington Bridge?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Tristam on January 27, 2014, 06:47:09 PM

Quote from: Spencer on January 27, 2014, 10:45:04 AM

Look at these comments :lol

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152240056189974&set=a.10150141099489974.330985.224383614973&type=1&permPage=1

Subwayghazi!!!

Top comment is outstanding:

Quote

Subway can you please get Michelle Obama to endorse breathing so we can remove so much hate and racism from our great nation.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 28, 2014, 12:02:21 AM

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/01/27/140127fa_fact_remnick

Very nice NYer profile of Obama.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on January 28, 2014, 02:28:50 AM

the whole "1%" thing is largely bollox too - try the 0.1%

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2014, 02:33:04 AM

Quote

At the core of Obama’s thinking is that American military involvement cannot be the primary instrument to achieve the new equilibrium that the region so desperately needs. And yet thoughts of a pacific equilibrium are far from anyone’s mind in the real, existing Middle East. In the 2012 campaign, Obama spoke not only of killing Osama bin Laden; he also said that Al Qaeda had been “decimated.” I pointed out that the flag of Al Qaeda is now flying in Falluja, in Iraq, and among various rebel factions in Syria; Al Qaeda has asserted a presence in parts of Africa, too.

“The analogy we use around here sometimes, and I think is accurate, is if a jayvee team puts on Lakers uniforms that doesn’t make them Kobe Bryant,” Obama said, resorting to an uncharacteristically flip analogy. “I think there is a distinction between the capacity and reach of a bin Laden and a network that is actively planning major terrorist plots against the homeland versus jihadists who are engaged in various local power struggles and disputes, often sectarian.

“Let’s just keep in mind, Falluja is a profoundly conservative Sunni city in a country that, independent of anything we do, is deeply divided along sectarian lines. And how we think about terrorism has to be defined and specific enough that it doesn’t lead us to think that any horrible actions that take place around the world that are motivated in part by an extremist Islamic ideology are a direct threat to us or something that we have to wade into.”

He went on, “You have a schism between Sunni and Shia throughout the region that is profound. Some of it is directed or abetted by states who are in contests for power there. You have failed states that are just dysfunctional, and various warlords and thugs and criminals are trying to gain leverage or a foothold so that they can control resources, populations, territory. . . . And failed states, conflict, refugees, displacement—all that stuff has an impact on our long-term security. But how we approach those problems and the resources that we direct toward those problems is not going to be exactly the same as how we think about a transnational network of operatives who want to blow up the World Trade Center. We have to be able to distinguish between these problems analytically, so that we’re not using a pliers where we need a hammer, or we’re not using a battalion when what we should be doing is partnering with the local government to train their police force more effectively, improve their intelligence capacities.”

Good lord, I can't imagine how hard Obama rustles the jimmies of neoconservatives and network television "journalists." I want to be in the room, just to see Obama say that to a McCain or Graham.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2014, 09:33:12 AM

McCain would have a heart attack and die if Obama said that to his face. But you can bet his corpse would get wheeled into the studio of a Sunday talk show to whinge about it anyway.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2014, 01:57:00 PM

Quote

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) on Monday called on President Obama to use his State of the Union address on Tuesday to answer questions about the 2012 attack that killed four U.S. officials in Benghazi, Libya, as well as other issues like IRS targeting and ObamaCare.

:neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2014, 02:04:09 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 28, 2014, 02:21:18 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 28, 2014, 02:52:03 PM

Quote from: Mandark on January 28, 2014, 12:02:21 AM

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2014/01/27/140127fa_fact_remnick

Very nice NYer profile of Obama.

Quote

“There’s no doubt that there’s some folks who just really dislike me because they don’t like the idea of a black President,” Obama said. “Now, the flip side of it is there are some black folks and maybe some white folks who really like me and give me the benefit of the doubt precisely because I’m a black President.” The latter group has been less in evidence of late.

“There is a historic connection between some of the arguments that we have politically and the history of race in our country, and sometimes it’s hard to disentangle those issues,” he went on. “You can be somebody who, for very legitimate reasons, worries about the power of the federal government—that it’s distant, that it’s bureaucratic, that it’s not accountable—and as a consequence you think that more power should reside in the hands of state governments. But what’s also true, obviously, is that philosophy is wrapped up in the history of states’ rights in the context of the civil-rights movement and the Civil War and Calhoun. There’s a pretty long history there. And so I think it’s important for progressives not to dismiss out of hand arguments against my Presidency or the Democratic Party or Bill Clinton or anybody just because there’s some overlap between those criticisms and the criticisms that traditionally were directed against those who were trying to bring about greater equality for African-Americans. The flip side is I think it’s important for conservatives to recognize and answer some of the problems that are posed by that history, so that they understand if I am concerned about leaving it up to states to expand Medicaid that it may not simply be because I am this power-hungry guy in Washington who wants to crush states’ rights but, rather, because we are one country and I think it is going to be important for the entire country to make sure that poor folks in Mississippi and not just Massachusetts are healthy.”

President Stoney Mason

spoiler (click to show/hide)

j/k  Stoney :-*

and actually I think Obama comes off pretty well so far, although I'm only on page 3 of 18(!!)

[close]

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2014, 03:16:52 PM

His comments on the NSA are baffling, and the drone comments boil down to "just trust me." But overall you definitely get a sense that this is a guy who really loathes the current political game/media, and rightfully so.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2014, 04:17:02 PM

Pretty much everybody except the GOP and hardcore Tea Party-types hate the current political game/media.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 28, 2014, 10:33:22 PM

Presidents can talk. Only congress can act.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2014, 10:40:11 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on January 28, 2014, 10:33:22 PM

Presidents can talk. Only congress can act.

They've delegated that.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2014, 02:02:29 AM

Congress is now operating on passive-aggressive relationship principles: I shouldn't have to explain to you what needs to be done, you should know by now and just do it.  Unless you do something I don't like, in which case I will complain loudly and sabotage your project.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 29, 2014, 10:06:20 AM

When is the White Community going to take a stand against this thuggish behavior by their politicians? I'm not racist (some of my best friends are white people) but this is clearly a issue that needs to be dealt with.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 29, 2014, 11:31:29 AM

Creepy.  :kobeyuck

(http://i.imgur.com/8hPLg0c.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on January 29, 2014, 01:00:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lh7LBtrBq1g

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 29, 2014, 04:46:38 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/how-republicans-lost-the-farm/283349/

Quote

In conversation, the rank-and-file Farm Bureau members were often bracingly right-wing. Many departed from the official position of the bureau's leaders to decry food stamps. Their opposition to Obama was virulent. I sat at a table on the floor of the convention's trade show with a South Carolinian named Joye Davis, surrounded by enormous displays of power tools, tractors, livestock fencing, and no less than five Chevy Silverado pickup trucks. A trailer sponsored by Nationwide Insurance contained a miniature Dallas Cowboys hall of fame, complete with a real live former Cowboys player, Jay Novacek. Monsanto was holding a drawing to give away iPad Minis.

Davis and her husband, Julius, both in their 60s, farm corn, peanuts, cotton, and wheat in Sumter County. She told me she thought putting food stamps into the farm bill had confused the public, making them think farm subsidies were a form of welfare, when nothing could be further from the truth. Obama, she said darkly, wants to give handouts to "his people," most of whom are not really needy but "have figured out how to beat the system."

"I have seen on the street signs that say 'Obamaphone,'" she said. "I pay for mine, but it's a free phone for them." (The myth that the Obama Administration has created a program to give taxpayer-funded cell phones to poor people is commonly repeated on right-wing talk radio.) Farm payments, on the other hand, were something landowners had earned. "I work for what I have," she said. "So I have a sore spot about that." Later, I found the Davises in the Environmental Working Group's farm-subsidy database. They had received at least $108,000 from the government between 1995 and 2012.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on January 30, 2014, 04:57:15 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/66903/large/1173ckCOMIC-ld---fear-itself.png?1390946482)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2014, 05:14:07 PM

Quote from: Esch on January 29, 2014, 10:00:43 AM

:sabu :sabu :sabu :sabu :jawalrus we got goons in this country man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=425ysh-24wo

Quote

The journalist is related to Anthony Scotto, former head of the Brooklyn longshoremen’s union and a former boss in the Gambino crime family.

“Michael is a tough reporter, and in true Scotto fashion, he’s not easily intimidated!” “Good Day New York” host Rosanna Scotto, Michael’s cousin and Anthony’s daughter, told me.

http://pagesix.com/2014/01/29/rep-grimm-couldnt-intimidate-scotto/
:ohhh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2014, 05:21:01 PM

Some background on the first panel: Tom Perkins, the "liberal Kristallnacht" guy, rammed another boat with his yacht and killed a guy in France, and when he was found guilty, he complained about the French court system and how they were all out to get him and it was a perversion of justice. His punishment was a $10,000 fine. He was so devastated by this, that he waited 10 whole years to build one of the biggest yachts ever made.

Quote

Perkins and the yacht were the subject of a prize-winning biography, Mine's Bigger: Tom Perkins and the Making of the Greatest Sailing Machine Ever Built, by Newsweek's David A. Kaplan. The book in 2008 won the prestigious Gerald Loeb Award for best business book of the year.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2014, 09:06:13 PM

Quote from: Esch on January 30, 2014, 08:36:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2014, 05:14:07 PM

http://pagesix.com/2014/01/29/rep-grimm-couldnt-intimidate-scotto/
:ohhh

:beli he was shook.

dude was lookin more like AJ Soprano than Tony  :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2014, 12:30:29 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmiNo9Cj9IU

This guy's a real piece of work. If somebody worked him over with a 2x4, I wouldn't shed any tears.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2014, 07:27:04 AM

Quote

This guy's a real piece of work. If somebody worked him over with a 2x4, I wouldn't shed any tears.

Way to prove that dude and the WSJ editorial board right, Herr Rumbler. :smug

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on January 31, 2014, 03:47:25 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/christie-bridge.html


The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.

In a letter released by his lawyer, the official, David Wildstein, a high school friend of Mr. Christie’s who was appointed with the governor’s blessing at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which controls the bridge, described the order to close the lanes as “the Christie administration’s order” and said “evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference” three weeks ago.

“Mr. Wildstein contests the accuracy of various statements that the governor made about him and he can prove the inaccuracy of some,” the letter added.

The letter marked the first signal that Mr. Christie may have been aware of the closings, something he repeatedly denied during a two-hour press conference earlier this month.

In early January, documents revealed that a deputy chief of staff to Mr. Christie, Bridget Anne Kelly, had sent an email to Mr. Wildstein saying, “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” the town at the New Jersey end of the bridge, where Mr. Christie’s aides had pursued but failed to receive an endorsement from the mayor.

Mr. Christie has steadfastly denied that he knew before this month that anyone in his administration was responsible for the lane closings, and his administration has tried to portray it as the actions of a rogue staff member.

The governor fired Ms. Kelly. Mr. Wildstein, the director of interstate capital projects at the Port Authority, resigned.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2014, 04:41:37 PM

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/who-wants-competition-big-cable-tries-outlawing-municipal-broadband-in-kansas/

Quote

Legislation introduced in the Kansas state legislature by a lobby for cable companies would make it almost impossible for cities and towns to offer broadband services to residents and would perhaps even outlaw public-private partnerships like the one that brought Google Fiber to Kansas City.

The Senate bill doesn't list any lawmaker as its sponsor, and there's a reason—a Senate employee told us it was submitted by John Federico on behalf of the Kansas Cable Telecommunications Association, of which he is president.

:usacry

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2014, 04:50:42 PM

Remember when Justice Kennedy said that unlimited money in politics doesn't cause corruption or even the appearance of corruption? Oh how we laughed and laughed that day.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2014, 04:55:23 PM

money = speech
millions and billions = deafening noise
-> deaf politicians

QED

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2014, 05:21:26 PM

Quote from: Eric P on January 31, 2014, 03:47:25 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/christie-bridge.html


The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.

In a letter released by his lawyer, the official, David Wildstein, a high school friend of Mr. Christie’s who was appointed with the governor’s blessing at the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which controls the bridge, described the order to close the lanes as “the Christie administration’s order” and said “evidence exists as well tying Mr. Christie to having knowledge of the lane closures, during the period when the lanes were closed, contrary to what the governor stated publicly in a two-hour press conference” three weeks ago.

“Mr. Wildstein contests the accuracy of various statements that the governor made about him and he can prove the inaccuracy of some,” the letter added.

The letter marked the first signal that Mr. Christie may have been aware of the closings, something he repeatedly denied during a two-hour press conference earlier this month.

In early January, documents revealed that a deputy chief of staff to Mr. Christie, Bridget Anne Kelly, had sent an email to Mr. Wildstein saying, “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” the town at the New Jersey end of the bridge, where Mr. Christie’s aides had pursued but failed to receive an endorsement from the mayor.

Mr. Christie has steadfastly denied that he knew before this month that anyone in his administration was responsible for the lane closings, and his administration has tried to portray it as the actions of a rogue staff member.

The governor fired Ms. Kelly. Mr. Wildstein, the director of interstate capital projects at the Port Authority, resigned.

(http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2012/8/6/Hillary_Clinton_Dancing.gif)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2014, 06:12:13 PM

Quote

jrice2n  JNUTT • 4 hours ago −
I think I remember that kind of logic used about Reagan. We tried going with the ones the democrats liked in the last to elections.

If we are going to lose(according to you) then let us run Trump, West, Cruz, Bolton, Gingrich, Men of character that will stand up to any one not wanting to be our friend.

:mynicca

Quote from: Rufus on January 31, 2014, 04:41:37 PM

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/01/who-wants-competition-big-cable-tries-outlawing-municipal-broadband-in-kansas/

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Legislation introduced in the Kansas state legislature by a lobby for cable companies would make it almost impossible for cities and towns to offer broadband services to residents and would perhaps even outlaw public-private partnerships like the one that brought Google Fiber to Kansas City.

The Senate bill doesn't list any lawmaker as its sponsor, and there's a reason—a Senate employee told us it was submitted by John Federico on behalf of the Kansas Cable Telecommunications Association, of which he is president.

:usacry

Seems more honest in a way.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2014, 09:03:50 PM

Quote from: Eric P on January 31, 2014, 03:47:25 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/01/nyregion/christie-bridge.html


The former Port Authority official who personally oversaw the lane closings on the George Washington Bridge in the scandal now swirling around Gov. Chris Christie of New Jersey said on Friday that the governor knew about the lane closings when they were happening, and that he had the evidence to prove it.

Yeah, Christie is toast.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2014, 09:43:10 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 31, 2014, 06:12:13 PM

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jrice2n  JNUTT • 4 hours ago −
I think I remember that kind of logic used about Reagan. We tried going with the ones the democrats liked in the last to elections.

If we are going to lose(according to you) then let us run Trump, West, Cruz, Bolton, Gingrich, Men of character that will stand up to any one not wanting to be our friend.

:mynicca

Men of character. :lol Well, they are characters, that much is true.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2014, 10:12:42 AM

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/Chris-Christie-Sandy-Aid-Questions-New-Apartment-Tower-Untouched-Storm-242872821.html


Gov. Chris Christie's administration is again facing questions about how Sandy aid was distributed in New Jersey after it was revealed $4.8 million in relief funds went to help build an apartment tower in New Brunswick, a town that saw relatively little storm damage.

New Jersey's Housing and Mortgage Finance Agency approved the disbursement as part of the state's Fund for Rebuilding Multifamily Housing. The program is intended to speed the construction of new affordable housing in communities ravaged by the storm.

But New Brunswick lost relatively little of its housing stock when Sandy stormed through the state, and a Rutgers University study ranked New Brunswick 188th on a list of communities that suffered the most hardship due to Sandy.

"They're not spending the money on the people that they're supposed to be spending," said Doris Narkum, a storm victim whose family lost their house on the Jersey Shore.

Anthony Marchetta, executive director of the housing and mortgage agency, defended using Sandy relief funds to help build the New Brunswick apartment tower. Although New Brunswick itself was not heavily damaged by Sandy, Marchetta stressed the municipality exists in Middlesex County, one of the nine counties declared a disaster area after the storm.

"We're always in short supply of affordable housing in New Jersey," Marchetta said. "But those impacted counties have been further aggravated."

The New Brunswick project is one of 36 developments intended to increase the state's stock of affordable housing in the wake of Sandy. In all, Marchetta said the state has committed $157 million, which is expected to generate 2,369 affordable housing units.

As for the location of those units, Marchetta said a lot of that depends on where developers propose to locate their projects.

"We made an announcement to the development community that if you have any projects in those nine counties that will generate affordable housing, bring them on."

Forty-eight of the 238 apartments in the New Brunswick apartment tower will be classified as affordable housing.

The developer, a firm called Boraie, boasts the building will have 8,000 square feet of retail space, a parking deck and a fitness center.

Adam Gordon, a lawyer for the nonprofit Fair Share Housing Center, said most of the 36 development projects awarded through the Fund for Rebuilding Multifamily Housing appear to directly benefit communities heavily damaged by Sandy, but the New Brunswick tower appears to be more questionable.

"I just don't think building anywhere in any of the nine counties is equal, especially when you have a project that doesn't seem to have any connection to Sandy," Gordon said.

He has also criticized a senior housing development in Belleville, which won millions in Sandy relief funds. Belleville was not hit particularly hard by Sandy; it ranked 254th on the list of New Jersey communities suffering hardships after Sandy.

Despite the relatively low level of need, the HMFA approved $6 million to help the developer build 137 affordable senior housing units.

At a ceremonial groundbreaking in May, Christie did not mention how the senior center would benefit Sandy victims, but he did say he considered the project a priority for the seniors of Belleville and spoke about how he personally urged his appointed officials on the phone to approve the financial assistance.

"We saw the governor made remarks that basically directed his top cabinet officials to make sure this development got money. That was really troubling," Gordon said.

After the Sandy aid was approved, Belleville Mayor Raymond Kimble, a Democrat, crossed party lines to endorse Christie's re-election bid. Kimble did not respond to the I-Team's request for comment.

Another endorsement secured by Christie came from former NBA star Shaquille O'Neal. He has invested with Boraie on other real estate projects.

Five months after the HMFA approved the Boraie application for Sandy funds, O'Neal appeared in a commercial endorsing Christie.

Earlier this month, Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer said Christie's lieutenant governor, Kim Guadagno, pulled her aside last year and told her Sandy recovery funds -- from a program separate from the multifamily housing funds -- would be freed up for her city if she signed off on a certain real estate development. Guadagno has denied that this conversation took place.

Representatives for O'Neal did not respond to the I-Team's request for comment. Calls to Boraie Development were not returned. It is unclear if O'Neal has invested directly in the New Brunswick apartment tower.

A spokesperson for Christie did not respond to inquiries about the political endorsements from O'Neal or Kimble.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2014, 11:24:10 AM

If only media scrutiny of this nature could be employed more often.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2014, 02:04:58 PM

While I understand misuse of government funds always happens to some degree...lord this shit is like a giant "I told you so" for tea party fucktards. Christie shamed the House when it failed to quickly OK funds and now we learn he's paying back multiple cronies with the money...

So between the apartment complex and the retirement home, Hoboken's paltry 300k is looking even more suspect on Christie's part. Misuse of fed funds will fuck him more than the bridge thing.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 01, 2014, 02:16:50 PM

Yup, the collateral damage is going to be worse than the initial blow fer sher. Wonder if the Dems have anyone ready to run for Gov. in a special election in a year or two. (non Corey Booker class)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2014, 02:32:10 PM

Booker should have stayed in state IMO. He could easily have been the heir apparent right now, and I dunno about you but I'd rather be a governor than a junior senator.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 01, 2014, 02:35:04 PM

I know of someone who was a junior senator that became president

 :obama

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2014, 02:38:56 PM

Something tells me America won't be electing a black junior senator with no experience, ever again
 :smug

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 :bluesteel

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Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Lovingsteam on February 01, 2014, 03:56:22 PM

Sooooo take this as you like but my sisters best friend is dating the brother (yes, internet meme, I know) of the NJ port David Wildstein. And yes, allegedly his claims of Christie knowing are legit.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2014, 01:21:25 AM

Yeah, I'll trust the Governor of New Jersey over some mother cloving nobody:

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New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, after a low-key initial response to Friday’s explosive allegations about his involvement in a bridge-closing scandal, mounted an aggressive defense late Saturday afternoon, attacking The New York Times and a former political ally in an email to friends and allies obtained by POLITICO.

“Bottom line — David Wildstein will do and say anything to save David Wildstein,” the email from the governor’s office says, referring to the former appointee who reignited the controversy.

...

The subject line of the 700-word email from the governor’s office is: “5 Things You Should Know About The Bombshell That’s Not A Bombshell.” It offers a harshly negative portrayal of Wildstein’s character and judgment.

The Christie camp begins by criticizing The Times for its initial characterization of the Wildstein letter: “A media firestorm was set off by sloppy reporting from the New York Times and their suggestion that there was actually ‘evidence’ when it was a letter alleging that ‘evidence exists.’”

The Times’ original story said that Wildstein claimed “he had the evidence to prove it,” while later versions stuck to his lawyer’s vaguer “evidence exists” formulation.

...

The email from the governor’s office again distances Christie from Wildstein’s actions: “As he has said repeatedly, Governor Christie had no involvement, knowledge or understanding of the real motives behind David Wildstein’s scheme to close lanes on the George Washington Bridge. … The Governor first learned lanes at the George Washington Bridge were even closed from press accounts after the fact. Even then he was under the belief it was a traffic study. He first learned David Wildstein and Bridget Kelly closed lanes for political purposes when it was reported on January 8th.”

Then, it gets personal. “In David Wildstein’s past, people and newspaper accounts have described him as ‘tumultuous’ and someone who ‘made moves that were not productive,’” the email continues. “David Wildstein has been publicly asking for immunity since the beginning, been held in contempt by the New Jersey legislature for refusing to testify, failed to provide this so-called ‘evidence’ when he was first subpoenaed by the NJ Legislature and is looking for the Port Authority to pay his legal bills.”

The email dips far back into Wildstein’s past to buttress its portrayal of him, even alleging that “He was publicly accused by his high school social studies teacher of deceptive behavior.”

...

In response to the Czin question, posed by a reporter to Christie’s office, an official told POLITICO: “Over the last month, we’re seeing a fuller picture of who Wildstein really was. The fact that he punitively shut down lanes on a bridge for political purposes overshadows anything he had done previously.”

...

In a late-night follow-up, the governor’s office added: “Just to clear up any lingering confusion: Governor Christie has said each time he has been asked that he first learned about the closing of the lanes on the George Washington Bridge from press accounts after the instance was over.”

Wildstein pleaded the Fifth when state lawmakers called him to testify before a panel investigating the closures earlier this month. Wildstein’s lawyer has previously said that if Wildstein “has immunity from the relevant entities, he’ll talk.”

Straight annihilated.

 :bow High school social studies teacher with integrity. :bow2

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2014, 01:23:55 AM

http://images.politico.com/global/2014/02/01/christie1.html

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2014, 01:31:54 AM

I like that they actually use a source that said this guy was "Governor Christie's Eyes, Ears Inside the Port Authority" to show that Christie had no knowledge of what the guy was doing.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2014, 01:35:24 AM

I'm sure that was "leaked" to Politico.  :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Lovingsteam on February 02, 2014, 01:35:40 AM

Yes Benji, the governor is going to trust someone to be port authority and eyes and ears with no reason and with such a history. Right? Mmhmm.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2014, 01:37:59 AM

thatsthejoke.jpg

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2014, 01:48:51 AM

Quote from: Lovingsteam on February 02, 2014, 01:35:40 AM

Yes Benji, the governor is going to trust someone to be port authority and eyes and ears with no reason and with such a history. Right? Mmhmm.

They had no idea he'd shut down bridge lanes for political reasons!

It's only after that they looked into his history and found out that he was accused by a high school teacher of deceptive behavior and had registered domain names without permission.

If anything this was a failure of the media to vet Mr. Wildstein before he took power.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2014, 02:45:09 AM

It's like when you're friend does some really stupid in public and you jump right into the "I don't know who this is, this person is merely some stranger with whom I have no part!" routine. Comes across as desperation more than anything else.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2014, 03:00:28 AM

The one I like is the reiteration that Christie only found out about the closures from the media like everyone else. Oh, so you're just incompetent, your organization is out of control and you're unaware of it. That makes me feel better about you.

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Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 02, 2014, 12:44:04 PM

Not for nothing but I heard in study hall that Wildstein is late for math class, like, EVERY day

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2014, 02:27:48 PM

Christie sure knows a lot about a guy he said he hasn't talked to in years and isn't friends with

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 01:51:14 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/chris-christie-staffer-christina-genovese-renna-resigns-103009.html

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A Chris Christie aide who was subpoenaed in a growing New Jersey traffic scandal resigned Friday, the aide’s lawyer confirmed to POLITICO.

...

“This reflects a decision I have been considering since shortly after the election,” Renna said in a statement provided by her attorney, Henry Klingeman of Newark, N.J. Christie was elected to a second term last November.

“I have spent almost four years working hard for a governor I continue to respect and admire. The transition from term one to term two is a natural time to pursue an opportunity in the private sector,” Renna said.

Renna was the governor’s director of intergovernmental affairs, according to her attorney. She left on her own terms and was not fired, her attorney said. She has not been accused of wrongdoing during the probe into the lane closures, their motivation and the extent of the governor’s office’s involvement. The governor himself has denied any involvement in the alleged plot.

A spokesman for Christie, Colin Reed, declined to comment on Renna’s departure.

Renna’s lawyer did not answer whether his client plans to respond to her subpoena from state lawmakers investigating the scandal, which is due tomorrow.

When informed of her resignation, Christie probably said "Who? Never heard of her. She worked here?"

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 02:17:28 AM

Another fascinating article on the ACA in Kentucky, specifically Medicaid in small rural towns.

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If it was a relief for Blair to finally have insurance, it was a relief for Hamilton, too, who grew up in Breathitt and worried often about fragile patients like Blair who were so often neighbors, old classmates, former teachers or distant relatives in the close-knit county. He was used to answering late-night calls from patients panicked over chest pains but afraid to go to the emergency room lest they incur thousands of dollars in bills and wind up with their name published in the newspaper, which is how the local for-profit hospital went about collecting bills.

“I’m always hearing, ‘I don’t want to get my name in that paper,’ ” he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/life-after-jan-1-kentucky-clinic-offers-early-glimpse-at-realities-of-health-care-law/2014/02/01/a25c506a-8ad1-11e3-916e-e01534b1e132_story.html?hpid=z1

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on February 03, 2014, 02:22:18 AM

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[...]but afraid to go to the emergency room lest they incur thousands of dollars in bills and wind up with their name published in the newspaper, which is how the local for-profit hospital went about collecting bills.

The fuck!?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on February 03, 2014, 05:58:56 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 02:17:28 AM

Another fascinating article on the ACA in Kentucky, specifically Medicaid in small rural towns.

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If it was a relief for Blair to finally have insurance, it was a relief for Hamilton, too, who grew up in Breathitt and worried often about fragile patients like Blair who were so often neighbors, old classmates, former teachers or distant relatives in the close-knit county. He was used to answering late-night calls from patients panicked over chest pains but afraid to go to the emergency room lest they incur thousands of dollars in bills and wind up with their name published in the newspaper, which is how the local for-profit hospital went about collecting bills.

“I’m always hearing, ‘I don’t want to get my name in that paper,’ ” he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/life-after-jan-1-kentucky-clinic-offers-early-glimpse-at-realities-of-health-care-law/2014/02/01/a25c506a-8ad1-11e3-916e-e01534b1e132_story.html?hpid=z1

My family was one of the first to settle Breathitt county in the 1700's.

It's so poor there it will break your heart.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 09:06:01 AM

Quote from: halgorithmic on February 03, 2014, 05:58:56 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 02:17:28 AM

Another fascinating article on the ACA in Kentucky, specifically Medicaid in small rural towns.

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If it was a relief for Blair to finally have insurance, it was a relief for Hamilton, too, who grew up in Breathitt and worried often about fragile patients like Blair who were so often neighbors, old classmates, former teachers or distant relatives in the close-knit county. He was used to answering late-night calls from patients panicked over chest pains but afraid to go to the emergency room lest they incur thousands of dollars in bills and wind up with their name published in the newspaper, which is how the local for-profit hospital went about collecting bills.

“I’m always hearing, ‘I don’t want to get my name in that paper,’ ” he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/life-after-jan-1-kentucky-clinic-offers-early-glimpse-at-realities-of-health-care-law/2014/02/01/a25c506a-8ad1-11e3-916e-e01534b1e132_story.html?hpid=z1

My family was one of the first to settle Breathitt county in the 1700's.

It's so poor there it will break your heart.

And the GOP won't lift one finger to help them. And then they'll praise the people of that county for being independent and not living off the government dole. And the people of that country will continue to vote Republican because they don't want the federal government telling them what to do.

It's heart-breaking and it's absolutely infuriating.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 03, 2014, 01:37:13 PM

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“Your detractors believe that you did not tell the world [Benghazi] was a terror attack because your campaign didn’t want that out,” O’Reilly said. “That’s what they believe.”

“And they believe it because folks like you tell them that,” Obama said. "These kinds of things keep on surfacing in part because you and your TV station will promote them."

 :obama

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 01:40:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 09:06:01 AM

And the GOP won't lift one finger to help them. And then they'll praise the people of that county for being independent and not living off the government dole. And the people of that country will continue to vote Republican because they don't want the federal government telling them what to do.

It's heart-breaking and it's absolutely infuriating.

Don't be too upset Rumbler. Breathitt County is a very strong Democratic county. (They just don't like black candidates.) And they follow the proud American tradition of trading intoxicants for votes:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/07/25/drug-money-funds-voter-fraud-in-kentucky/
http://www.fbi.gov/louisville/press-releases/2011/nine-indicted-for-buying-votes-in-breathitt-county
 :american

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on February 03, 2014, 02:30:52 PM

Voter fraud has been going on down there for as long as I can remember. My dad use to tell stories about it all the time. It was perfectly normal for potential teachers to be "interviewed' as to their politics before getting a job - but Democrat/Republican has very little meaning in much of eastern Ky.

As far as not liking black candidates - its weird how a place can be racist while being completely devoid of any minorities at all.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 02:52:13 PM

It's easier to hate the abstract and unfamiliar.

Speaking of unfamiliar, I always enjoy letting people know that Justified's depiction of the "criminal" culture of Eastern Kentucky is pretty damn accurate (if exaggerated for action) and has been for like a century if not more. But then I'm a know-it-all asshole who says things like "did you know that Justified's depiction of Eastern Kentucky's criminal culture is not too far from reality?" as they're like "please, please, untie me and let me go, I have a family!"

And indeed, it's more about the existing machinery than anything regarding national politics.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 03, 2014, 03:41:22 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on February 03, 2014, 01:37:13 PM

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“Your detractors believe that you did not tell the world [Benghazi] was a terror attack because your campaign didn’t want that out,” O’Reilly said. “That’s what they believe.”

“And they believe it because folks like you tell them that,” Obama said. "These kinds of things keep on surfacing in part because you and your TV station will promote them."

 :obama

Check the transcripts

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 03, 2014, 04:24:30 PM

The exchange certainly wasn't that clean.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 04:38:12 PM

O'Reilly is one of the worst interviewers ever. I don't think Obama said one entire sentence without getting run over at least twice by him.

As seen here:

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O'REILLY:  Did he tell you, Secretary Panetta, it was a terrorist attack?

OBAMA:  You know what he told me was that there was an attack on our compound...

O'REILLY:  He didn't tell you...

OBAMA:  -- (INAUDIBLE)...

O'REILLY:  -- he didn't use the word "terror?"

OBAMA:  You know, in -- in the heat of the moment, Bill, what folks are focused on is what's happening on the ground, do we have eyes on it, how can we make sure our folks are secure...

O'REILLY:  Because I just want to get this on the record...

OBAMA:  So, I...

O'REILLY:  -- did he tell you it was a terror attack?

OBAMA:  Bill -- and what I'm -- I'm answering your question.  What he said to me was, we've got an attack on our compound.  We don't know yet...

O'REILLY:  No terror attack?

OBAMA:  -- we don't know yet who's doing it.  Understand, by definition, Bill, when somebody is attacking our compound...

O'REILLY:  Yes?

OBAMA:  -- that's an act of terror, which is how I characterized it the day after it happened.  So the -- so the question ends up being who, in fact, was attacking us?

O'REILLY:  But it's more than that...

OBAMA:  And that...

O'REILLY:  -- though...

OBAMA:  -- well, we...

O'REILLY:  -- because of Susan Rice.

OBAMA:  No, it...

O'REILLY:  It's more than that because if Susan Rice goes out and tells the world that it was a spontaneous demonstration...

OBAMA:  Bill...

O'REILLY:  -- off a videotape but your...

OBAMA:  Bill...

O'REILLY:  -- your commanders and the secretary of Defense know it's a terror attack...

OBAMA:  Now, Bill...

O'REILLY:  Just...

OBAMA:  -- Bill...

O'REILLY:  -- as an American...

OBAMA:  -- Bill -- Bill...

O'REILLY:  -- I'm just confused.

OBAMA:  And I'm -- and I'm trying to explain it to, if you want to listen.  The fact of the matter is is that people understood, at the time, something very dangerous was happening, that we were focused on making sure that we did everything we can -- could -- to protect them.  In the aftermath, what became clear was that the security was lax, that not all the precautions and -- that needed to be taken were taken and both myself and Secretary Clinton and others indicated as much.

But at the moment, when these things happen, Bill, on the other side of the world, people...

O'REILLY:  It's the fog of war...

OBAMA:  -- people -- that's -- people don't know at the very moment exactly why something like this happens.  And when you look at the videotape of this whole thing unfolding, this is not some systematic, well organized process.  You see...

O'REILLY:  Well, it was heavy weapons used...

OBAMA:  -- you...

O'REILLY:  -- and that...

OBAMA:  -- what you...

O'REILLY:  -- that's the thing...

OBAMA:  -- what you see -- Bill...

O'REILLY:  -- heavy weapons coming in.

OBAMA:  -- Bill, listen, I -- I -- I've gone through this and we have had multiple hearings on it.  What happens is you have an attack like this taking place and you have a mix of folks who are just troublemakers.  You have folks who have an ideological agenda.

O'REILLY:  All right.

OBAMA:  You have some who are affiliated with terrorist organizations.  You have some that are not.  But the main thing that all of us have to take away from this is our diplomats are serving in some very dangerous places.

O'REILLY:  But there's more...

OBAMA:  And we've got...

O'REILLY:  -- there's more than that...

OBAMA:  -- and we've got -- and we've got to make sure that not only have we implemented all the reforms that were recommended...

O'REILLY:  OK.

OBAMA:  -- by the independent agency...

O'REILLY:  I...

OBAMA:  -- but we also have to make sure that we understand our folks out there are in a hazardous, dangerous situation...

O'REILLY:  I think everybody understands that...

OBAMA:  -- and we...

O'REILLY:  -- Mr. President.

OBAMA:  No, but -- but, actually, not everybody does, because what ends up happening...

O'REILLY:  I think they do.

OBAMA:  -- what ends up happening is we end up creating a political agenda...

O'REILLY:  Absolutely...

OBAMA:  -- over something...

O'REILLY:  -- and that's...

OBAMA:  -- (INAUDIBLE)...

O'REILLY:  -- that was my next question.

OBAMA:  -- which Democrats and Republicans should be unified in trying to figure out how are we going to protect people (INAUDIBLE)?

O'REILLY:  I've got to get to the IRS...

OBAMA:  OK.

O'REILLY:  -- but I just want to say that they're -- your detractors believe that you did not tell the world it was a terror attack because your campaign didn't want that out.

OBAMA:  Bill, think about...

O'REILLY:  That's what they believe.

OBAMA:  -- and they believe it because folks like you are telling them that.

O'REILLY:  No, I'm not telling them that.

(LAUGHTER)

O'REILLY:  I'm asking you whether you were told...

OBAMA:  But -- and what I'm saying is...

O'REILLY:  -- it was a terror attack and you...

OBAMA:  -- and what I'm saying is that is inaccurate.

O'REILLY:  All right.

OBAMA:  We -- we revealed to the American people exactly what we understood at the time.  The notion that we would hide the ball for political purposes when, a week later, we all said, in fact, there was a terrorist attack taking place the day after, I said it was an act of terror, that wouldn't be a very good cover-up...

O'REILLY:  All right.

OBAMA:  -- if that's what we were interested in.

O'REILLY:  I've got to get to the IRS...

OBAMA:  Yes.

O'REILLY:  -- because I don't know what happened there and I'm hoping maybe you can tell us.  Douglas Shulman, former IRS chief, he was cleared into the White House 157 times, more than any of your cabinet members, more than any other IRS guy in the history, by far.

OK, why was Douglas Shulman here 157 times?

Why?

OBAMA:  Mr. Shulman, as the head of the IRS, is constantly coming in, because at the time, we were trying to set up the, uh, HealthCare.gov and the IRS...

O'REILLY:  What did he have to do with that?

OBAMA:  -- and the IRS is involved in making sure that that works as part of the overall health care team.

O'REILLY:  So it was all health care?

OBAMA:  Number two, we've also got the IRS involved when it comes to some of the financial reforms to make sure that we don't have taxpayer funded bailouts in the future.  So you had all these different agendas in which the head of the IRS is naturally involved.

O'REILLY:  Did you speak to him a lot...

OBAMA:  -- (INAUDIBLE).

O'REILLY:  -- yourself?

OBAMA:  I do not recall meeting with him in any of these meetings that are pretty routine meetings that we had.

O'REILLY:  OK, so you don't -- you don't recall seeing Shulman, because what some people are saying is that the IRS was used...

OBAMA:  Yes.

O'REILLY:  -- at a -- at a local level in Cincinnati, and maybe other places to go after...

OBAMA:  Absolutely wrong.

O'REILLY:  -- to go after.

OBAMA:  Absolutely wrong.

O'REILLY:  But how do you know that, because we -- we still don't know what happened there?

OBAMA:  Bill, we do -- that's not what happened.  They -- folks have, again, had multiple hearings on this.  I mean these kinds of things keep on surfacing, in part because you and your TV station will promote them.

O'REILLY:  But don't...

OBAMA:  But when (INAUDIBLE)...

O'REILLY:  -- think there are unanswered questions?

OBAMA:  Bill, when you actually look at this stuff, there have been multiple hearings on it.  What happened here was it that you've got a...

O'REILLY:  But there's no definition on it.

OBAMA:  -- you've got a 501(c)(4) law that people think is focusing.  No -- that the folks did not know how to implement...

O'REILLY:  OK...

OBAMA:  -- because it basically says...

O'REILLY:  -- so you're saying there was no...

OBAMA:  -- if you are involved...

O'REILLY:  -- no corruption there at all, none?

OBAMA:  That's not what I'm saying.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 04:48:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 04:38:12 PM

O'Reilly is one of the worst interviewers ever. I don't think Obama said one entire sentence without getting run over at least twice by him.

I think there's a faulty premise here.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 04:57:14 PM

Sure, but that being his modus operandi doesn't necessarily preclude him from also being a terrible interviewer.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 05:03:43 PM

We got attacked, Obama called it an act of terror. Why does it matter what Obama's campaign people thought considering that it was obviously an "act of terror" and later we learned it was done by radical Islamists? How was anything hidden? There was an embassy attack that very night in Egypt which was indeed due to the anti-Muslim video.

I understand that republicans are butthurt because they thought their Reagan/Carter fantasy was coming to life (foreign policy blunder propels strong challenger into the lead), but the election is over and Romney lost pretty damn badly. What exactly changes if the admin never blamed the video? Four people would still be dead.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 05:12:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 05:03:43 PM

How was anything hidden?

EVERYTHING WAS HIDDEN: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/358413/benghazi-one-year-later-editors

How do we even know there was a Benghazi? Let alone an attack? I'm supposed to take Obama's word on that? After all his other lies? If I was in Congress there would be hearings on the hearings, you can be sure of that.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 04:57:14 PM

Sure, but that being his modus operandi doesn't necessarily preclude him from also being a terrible interviewer.

Sorry, I meant that it was supposed to be an interview.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 05:17:09 PM

I guarantee you that the day after the 2016 election, as President Elect Hillary Clinton celebrates, conservatives will be lamented that it all would have been different if only the Scott Walker-Susana Martinez campaign had discussed BENGHAZI more.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 05:19:26 PM

And called out Hillary's pro-abortion agenda. Unfortunately they were too timid thinking the media would give them a fair shake.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 07:08:54 PM

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/02/03/what_hip_hop_and_kendrick_lamar_can_teach_academia

:leon

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2014, 08:29:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2014, 05:03:43 PM

We got attacked, Obama called it an act of terror. Why does it matter what Obama's campaign people thought considering that it was obviously an "act of terror" and later we learned it was done by radical Islamists? How was anything hidden? There was an embassy attack that very night in Egypt which was indeed due to the anti-Muslim video.

I understand that republicans are butthurt because they thought their Reagan/Carter fantasy was coming to life (foreign policy blunder propels strong challenger into the lead), but the election is over and Romney lost pretty damn badly. What exactly changes if the admin never blamed the video? Four people would still be dead.

That's the thing, they can't even explain what the cover-up is even supposed to be about or what purpose it would serve. At best, they'll mumble something about embassy security [ignoring that it was Republicans who slashed the State Department's budget] and Susan Rice talking about the Muhammad video [ignoring that she explained that was a very early, very preliminary finding based on incomplete information, which actually turned out to be true anyway]. The only reason it's hanging around is because the GOP feels like it's good fodder for energizing their dwindling base.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2014, 09:57:25 PM

http://philadelphia.cbslocal.com/2014/02/03/one-of-gov-christies-bodyguards-charged-with-shoplifting-in-pennsylvania/

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One of Governor Chris Christie’s bodyguards has suspended without pay from the New Jersey State Police, charged with shoplifting in Berks County, Pa.

A state police spokesman says that William Carvounis, 35, was assigned to the executive protection unit and  had been on Christie’s security detail.

But police in Tilden Township, Pa. — north of Reading and west of Allentown — say last month the trooper stole nearly $300 in gun supplies and other merchandise from a Cabela’s sporting goods store.

According to the complaint, “During the course of his shopping, (Carvounis) would place items in his shopping basket.  While walking around and continuing to shop, he would take various merchandise out of the package and conceal in his pockets…He would discard the empty packages on shelves throughout the store.”

Security video also caught Carvounis tearing the price tag from a Cabela’s hat, which he wore while trying to leave the store.

When caught, police say, Carvounis invoked his position, asking again and again for a little professional courtesy — to let him off so he wouldn’t lose his job.

Wearing the hat out is a nice touch.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 03, 2014, 09:58:35 PM

Entitlement culture

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2014, 10:24:07 PM

Sadly, this is the kind of thuggish behavior you can expect from so called leaders of the white community. If they'd only pull themselves up by their bootstraps instead of mooching and looting, the country would be a lot better off.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 04, 2014, 04:00:10 PM

LEGITIMATE THREAT TO HILLARY EMERGES WITH STRONG PLATFORM:

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The move to kick troubled popster Justin Beiber out of the country got a powerful backer Tuesday: Sen. Mark Warner, who was a guest on a Virginia radio station’s morning show, offered to sign the online petition to the White House looking to deport the Canadian-born singer.

The Virginia Democrat indicated that he thought the Biebs might not be the best influence on the young folk — including his own kids.

“As a dad with three daughters, is there someplace I can sign?” he asked with a laugh, when prodded by the hosts of Chesapeake-based FM99′s “Rumble in the Morning.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/reliable-source/wp/2014/02/04/sen-mark-warner-lets-deport-justin-bieber/

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2014, 10:25:28 PM

lol @ Jennifer Rubin being taken down by her own newspaper.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/02/04/no-cbo-did-not-say-obamacare-will-kill-2-million-jobs/

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 04, 2014, 11:07:53 PM

I don't see it as any different reason to not want to earn more money because it puts you in a higher tax bracket. Or find creative ways to offset that new money with debt.

The idea that those poor live such better lives is a crazy fantasy.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2014, 01:10:22 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand_paul_dems_should_return_bill_clinton_donations

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) is ratcheting up his criticism of former President Bill Clinton, suggesting Democratic candidates return any money he helped raise for them in protest of the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

“They can’t have it both ways. And so I really think that anybody who wants to take money from Bill Clinton or have a fundraiser has a lot of explaining to do,” Paul said in a C-SPAN "Newsmakers" interview set to air Sunday, as quoted by the Washington Times.

“In fact, I think they should give the money back," he continued. "If they want to take position on women’s rights, by all means do. But you can’t do it and take it from a guy who was using his position of authority to take advantage of young women in the workplace.”

Paul has repeatedly attacked Clinton for "predatory" sexual behavior over the past couple weeks, each time accusing Democrats of being hypocritical for both championing the former President and claiming to support women's rights.

 :beli

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 07, 2014, 03:48:45 PM

all this over a fucking blowjob, nearly 20 years later

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2014, 04:21:40 PM

It's so patently ridiculous anyway. Even if we assume that what Clinton did was a totally, horrible thing, it was against one woman [who, it must be said, never once accused him of anything], not a concerted campaign of rhetoric and legislation. It boggles my mind, because there's no way this line's going to have any traction, much less as an attack against Hillary.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2014, 04:42:05 PM

It's Rand Paul, crazy runs in that family.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 07, 2014, 04:44:18 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/02/sean-hannity-whines-about-msnbc-being-too

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After first complaining about President Obama calling his network out during his pre-Super Bowl interview with Bill O'Reilly, Hannity played a portion of Matthew's show this week, where he said that "anything that's nasty" about President Obama becomes an "amen chorus of the Republican party." Matthews was referring to the incident where Rep. Jim Bridenstine laughed along with a supporter who said President Obama should be executed at a town hall.

Hannity and his guests did their best to try to defend the GOP, saying that Bridenstine had been denounced by some of his fellow Republicans, which completely misses the mark on Matthews' criticism, of course. Then they went onto attack MSNBC as being too partisan and in the tank for Democrats and Obama.

(http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzizgo.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2014, 05:16:23 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wxr4cEC9IXw

 :oreilly

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2014, 06:19:25 PM

"Lawless" is the new "uppity."

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I stole that from someone on TPM. Sorry.  :'(

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Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2014, 06:40:03 PM

dunno breh, I've always wondered...should the Secret Service really investigate shit like that? Some old lady who isn't doing shit but watch Fox News...eh, probably not a threat.

The most striking thing about this shit to me is how chickenshit lawmakers are of disagreeing with constituents in a town hall setting. There are so many videos of blatant racist rednecks going off on Obama's birth certificate, ridiculous conspiracy theories, etc and the lawmaker never says shit. They just glide over it, or offer tacit approval.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 07, 2014, 07:34:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2014, 06:40:03 PM

dunno breh, I've always wondered...should the Secret Service really investigate shit like that? Some old lady who isn't doing shit but watch Fox News...eh, probably not a threat.

Eh, I sort of view it as the Secret Service-equivalent of the "Broken Windows" theory of law enforcement.  Maybe keeps the potential real threats from thinking they're going to be able to fly under the radar. *shrug*

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2014, 10:56:27 AM

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1275800

Wow lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on February 10, 2014, 10:32:35 AM

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Celebrating diversity is a horrible thing to do

holy shit.... White people are losing their minds.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 10, 2014, 12:44:36 PM

This is UK but still an interesting read about the rise of multiracial children

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21595908-rapid-rise-mixed-race-britain-changing-neighbourhoodsand-perplexing



The 2011 census revealed a country that is decreasingly white and British: England’s ethnic-minority population grew from 9% of the total in 2001 to 14%. But the biggest single increase was in the number of people claiming a mixed-ethnic background. This almost doubled, to around 1.2m. Among children under the age of five, 6% had a mixed background—more than belonged to any other minority group (see chart). Mixed-race children are now about as common in Britain as in America—a country with many more non-whites and a longer history of mass immigration.

As Britain’s mixed-race population swells, another group appears destined to shrink. The Labour Force Survey reveals that 48% of black Caribbean men and 34% of black Caribbean women in couples are with partners of a different ethnic group—with higher proportions still among younger cohorts. Black Caribbean children under ten years old are outnumbered two-to-one by children who are a mixture of white and black Caribbean.

Rob Ford of Manchester University points out that Caribbean folk are following an Irish pattern of integration, in that their partners are often working-class. The Irish parallel also suggests they will eventually be fully absorbed into the British population. Polls show that adults who are a mixture of white and black Caribbean tend to see themselves not so much as black, Caribbean or even as British, but rather as English—the identity of the comfortably assimilated.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 10, 2014, 01:27:23 PM

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-10/breathtaking-corruption-europe

 :borys

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2014, 02:01:28 PM

To make just $25k a year at that $5-an-hour job, you'd have to work 96 hours a week. That's 16 hours a day if you afford yourself the luxury of one day off per week. But I bet it'll really give people back some hope and self-respect!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2014, 02:27:16 PM

Quote from: Eric P on February 10, 2014, 12:44:36 PM

This is UK but still an interesting read about the rise of multiracial children

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21595908-rapid-rise-mixed-race-britain-changing-neighbourhoodsand-perplexing

Cool article, I like this bit:

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Such esoteric partnerships can confuse the authorities. Last November the Home Office invited journalists to accompany officers on a raid of an apparent sham wedding between an Italian man and a Chinese woman in north London. After interrogating the bride, groom and guests, the officers emerged sheepishly to admit that the union was probably real.

And as far as we are from a post-racial society, it really is true that kids are generally a lot more comfortable with multi-culti communities than their parents or grandparents, and that's definitely a good thing unless you're an ass.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 10, 2014, 03:15:29 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 10, 2014, 02:27:16 PM

\and that's definitely a good thing unless you're an ass.

that about wraps it up for most people

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on February 10, 2014, 03:24:43 PM

I'd like to think so, anyway.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2014, 04:52:49 PM

The thing that baffles me: if you want to end the safety net, wouldn't it make sense to support policies that decrease demand for a safety net? If you pay people $5 an hour all you do is explode Medicaid rolls. If you pay people a decent living wage you begin to decrease the safety net simply by moving folks off of it.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2014, 09:30:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2014, 04:52:49 PM

The thing that baffles me: if you want to end the safety net, wouldn't it make sense to support policies that decrease demand for a safety net? If you pay people $5 an hour all you do is explode Medicaid rolls. If you pay people a decent living wage you begin to decrease the safety net simply by moving folks off of it.

There you go again, making the mistake of believing that these people think about anything.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2014, 09:32:43 PM

More poor people = more people to look down on so I can feel better about myself.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on February 10, 2014, 09:39:00 PM

The logic behind that is that drink and laziness create the demand for those policies, not the lack of jobs. There's always going to be some amount of joblessness, but that has has to be denied, because it doesn't fit the belief system.
It's also useful to make receiving help as uncomfortable as possible, to create downward pressure on wages. Wouldn't wanna be one of those leeches now, would you? Better stay at that shit job. A bird in your hand is better than two in the bush.
And so what if it hits those that legitimately need help. They are a minority so they have no political power, no need to cater to them. They didn't have enough magical willpower to make it anyway, so fuck 'em.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2014, 10:03:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2014, 04:52:49 PM

The thing that baffles me: if you want to end the safety net, wouldn't it make sense to support policies that decrease demand for a safety net? If you pay people $5 an hour all you do is explode Medicaid rolls. If you pay people a decent living wage you begin to decrease the safety net simply by moving folks off of it.

What if we not raise the minimum wage AND destroy all welfare programs?

Problem solved forever!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2014, 10:25:13 PM

Surely a logical conservative can realize the safety net isn't going anywhere, especially with the ACA expanding Medicaid in many states (soon to be most). The best way to lower rolls is to foster an economy where the working poor can move into the middle class, not one in which the middle class becomes the working poor.

But then again if I was a republican, I'd be super far right and make racial comments about Obama/black people to sell my book, Escaping The Liberal Plantation: How Blacks Can Redeem Themselves.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2014, 10:29:19 PM

PD is The Bore's own Ben Carson (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-nazi-reference).

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2014, 11:50:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2014, 10:25:13 PM

Surely a logical conservative can realize the safety net isn't going anywhere, especially with the ACA expanding Medicaid in many states (soon to be most). The best way to lower rolls is to foster an economy where the working poor can move into the middle class, not one in which the middle class becomes the working poor.

But then again if I was a republican, I'd be super far right and make racial comments about Obama/black people to sell my book, Escaping The Liberal Plantation: How Blacks Can Redeem Themselves.

"Surely, all unicorns..."

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2014, 11:54:26 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/10/joe-scarborough-believed-to-be-taking-idea-of-2016-presidential-bid-seriously/

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It’s widely believed at MSNBC — including among network brass — that Scarborough is actively mulling a presidential bid, sources said.

Meanwhile, some of Scarborough’s guests are beginning to talk him up as a possible candidate. Mark McKinnon — the former adviser to George W. Bush and John McCain who co-founded the group No Labels and appears on Morning Joe regularly — said he has talked about the prospect of a White House campaign with Scarborough “ever since we first met years ago, but always in the abstract.”

“On paper, he’s a great candidate,” McKinnon told The Daily Caller. “He has the kind of confidence, ideas and media savvy required to make it on the big stage. And he’d be a lot of fun to watch because he wouldn’t be afraid to mix it up with anybody on any topic. I think it would be highly entertaining and good for the party.”

Added McKinnon: “I think Joe looks at the potential field and thinks, ‘I could compete.’ And I think there are potential donors and supporters who think the same thing.”

Another Scarborough friend — a Republican who has appeared as a guest on Morning Joe many times — said the notion of a 2016 campaign is no joke: “I definitely wouldn’t fall in the laughing category.”

“I think it’s a very wide open field,” the friend told TheDC by phone. “He’s an articulate spokesperson for conservatives. No doubt about it.”

Here is the thinking behind a Scarborough bid:

The field is wide open.
Republicans won’t nominate a senator. They want a D.C. outsider.
Scarborough would perform well in debates, which mattered in the 2012 contest.
Scarborough, through his recent book, has offered a blueprint for reform for the GOP.

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Scarborough acknowledged that he wrote his recent book, “The Right Path: From Ike to Reagan, How Republicans Once Mastered Politics–and Can Again,” with the 2016 presidential election in mind.

“The reason I wrote the book and the reason I’m going around the country talking about these issues is because 2016 is going to be an extraordinarily important year,” Scarborough said. “We can’t lose another election.”

:comeon

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2014, 11:56:44 PM

Sure, there's still room in the clown car for more. :sabu


Maybe he'll even quit his day job to run... :gladbron

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2014, 11:59:31 PM

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On July 20, 2001, one of Scarborough's aides died after hitting her head on a desk when she fainted while alone in Scarborough's Fort Walton Beach, Florida, office.[25] According to Scarborough, soon after the death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved,.[25][26] There was no evidence of foul play.

Yea...I doubt he's running for shit.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2014, 12:18:50 AM

It doesn't matter if he runs. He'll be a non-factor, because the only people he's popular with are establishment media types.  Anyone seriously think GOP primary voters are gonna support this guy?

:ufup

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 11, 2014, 12:19:37 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2014, 11:59:31 PM

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On July 20, 2001, one of Scarborough's aides died after hitting her head on a desk when she fainted while alone in Scarborough's Fort Walton Beach, Florida, office.[25] According to Scarborough, soon after the death, allegations "spread all over the Internet" that he had been involved,.[25][26] There was no evidence of foul play.

Yea...I doubt he's running for shit.

I intended to post this very thing.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2014, 12:28:20 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 11, 2014, 12:18:50 AM

It doesn't matter if he runs. He'll be a non-factor, because the only people he's popular with are establishment media types.

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Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol suggested on the air that Scarborough could represent the “Jon Huntsman lane” in a 2016 GOP primary.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2014, 08:44:11 AM

I'm just interested in seeing how they'll get the base to rally behind a guy who works for......... MSNBC.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 11, 2014, 09:00:38 AM

I don't think an opinion maker or a talking head can ever (successfully) run for President.  They just don't have the tools to succeed and many people already might have a predisposition to dislike them. Just because you can 'talk the game', doesn't mean people will believe what you say.

It would be like hiring a football analyst to be a GM of an NFL franchise. Who would think that could work?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on February 11, 2014, 09:03:55 AM

even that dudes co-workers can't fucking stand him :heh

but shit I hope he does run so it gets his ass off my tv

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2014, 09:04:59 AM

I'd vote for Mika* before Joe.

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* :hump

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Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 12, 2014, 01:48:51 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2014, 10:29:19 PM

PD is The Bore's own Ben Carson (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-nazi-reference).

I thought you were posting old news but turns out this is recent.  :neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2014, 03:50:28 PM

McClatchy/Marist Poll showing similar implosion to CNN one from last week:

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Clinton 55, Huckabee 41   Clinton +14
Clinton 58, Christie 37   Clinton +21
Clinton 52, Ryan 44   Clinton +8
Clinton 58, Paul 38   Clinton +20
Clinton 58, Bush 38   Clinton +20
Clinton 58, Rubio 37   Clinton +21
Clinton 53, Romney 44  Clinton +9
Clinton 62, Palin 35  Clinton +27

He's in free fall:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_christie_vs_clinton-3766.html

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2014, 03:53:00 PM

Morning Joe has a sad

:tocry

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Debt ceiling passes. Ted Cruz wanted to filibuster, but Mitch McConnell shot it down, hopefully giving more fuel for McConnell's primary challenger.  :heh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 12, 2014, 10:30:16 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on February 12, 2014, 03:53:00 PM

Morning Joe has a sad

:tocry

Why? Cause of Christie's falling poll numbers or cause no one's talking about Scarborough being a presidential contender?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 13, 2014, 11:28:57 AM

God will repeal Obamacare, game over Obama.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjNC_7W3wng

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 13, 2014, 12:51:26 PM

Drinky is more of a christian than Bachman is. Christains like Bachman make christians look bad.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 13, 2014, 01:38:36 PM

Was just about to post that.

How is this supposed to work exactly? If prayer worked towards stopping Obamacare, wouldn't it never have been passed to begin with? Does that mean God supports Obamacare, or that it was God's punishment for the American people being insufficiently Christian? And how does this explain the 2012 election? Maybe the people who prayed for Obamacare to remain cancelled out the people who prayed for it to be repealed?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 13, 2014, 01:45:44 PM

I'm sure God prefers the great system we had before Obamacare.  ::)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 13, 2014, 02:42:05 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/68852/large/1175ckCOMIC-bible-math.png?1392174767)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 13, 2014, 02:46:53 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on February 13, 2014, 01:45:44 PM

I'm sure God prefers the great system we had before Obamacare.  ::)

Well, it did typically require a lot more praying...

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2014, 05:22:21 PM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116601/chris-christies-rise-and-fall

Not really surprising, but this is the kind of stuff that the Romney camp (and others beforehand) were hinting about after looking into him and why some thought Christie's teams "incompetence" at delivering info was intentional to stop "allies" from continuing to look into it.

For all the complaining about Obama not being vetted, Republicans might want to be a little more thorough before latching onto their next hero (Cain, Trump, Christie, etc.) just because he's firing them up by bashing some Democrats.

Of course, knowing Christie's openly public background should have been a good enough indication.  :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2014, 11:47:42 PM

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Federal Judge: Virginia Gay Marriage Unconstitutional



NORFOLK, Va. (AP) — A federal judge ruled Thursday that Virginia's ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional, making it the first state in the South to have its voter-approved prohibition overturned.

U.S. District Judge Arenda Wright Allen issued a stay of her order while it is appealed, meaning that gay couples in Virginia will still not be able to marry until the case is ultimately resolved. Both sides believe the case won't be settled until the Supreme Court decides to hear it or one like it.

Allen's ruling makes Virginia the second state in the South to issue a ruling recognizing the legality of gaymarriages.

A judge in Kentucky ruled Wednesday that the state must recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states. It did not rule on the constitutionality of same-sex marriages inside the state, however. The Virginiajudge's ruling also follows similar decisions in Utah and Oklahoma federal courts.

"Through its decision today, the court has upheld the principles of equality upon which this nation was founded," the plaintiffs' lead co-counsel, Theodore B. Olson, said in a statement.

The Virginia Attorney General's Office took the unusual step of not defending the law because it believes the ban violates the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment. In her ruling, Wright Allen agreed.

"The court is compelled to conclude that Virginia's Marriage Laws unconstitutionally deny Virginia's gay and lesbian citizens the fundamental freedom to choose to marry. Government interests in perpetuating traditions, shielding state matters from federal interference, and favoring one model of parenting over others must yield to this country's cherished protections that ensure the exercise of the private choices of the individual citizen regarding love and family," Wright Allen wrote.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/federal-judge-virginia-marriage-ban-unconstitutional

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 14, 2014, 12:16:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Debt ceiling passes. Ted Cruz wanted to filibuster, but Mitch McConnell shot it down, hopefully giving more fuel for McConnell's primary challenger.  :heh

I'm not sure this is a good thing. McConnell at least plays the game. A real fruit loop would be a big problem, especially if that person is Majority Leader.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 14, 2014, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 14, 2014, 12:16:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Debt ceiling passes. Ted Cruz wanted to filibuster, but Mitch McConnell shot it down, hopefully giving more fuel for McConnell's primary challenger.  :heh

I'm not sure this is a good thing. McConnell at least plays the game. A real fruit loop would be a big problem, especially if that person is Majority Leader.

This is one of the rare instances where, iirc, the biggest threat to a sitting Republican isn't a teabagger primary, but the actual Democrat opponent.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 14, 2014, 03:14:12 PM

Kentucky has pretty much come around to the fact that the GOP has been lying and fucking them over for decades.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 14, 2014, 03:16:01 PM

Kentucky has pretty much come around to the fact that the GOP has been lying and fucking them over for decades.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 15, 2014, 09:03:23 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 14, 2014, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 14, 2014, 12:16:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Debt ceiling passes. Ted Cruz wanted to filibuster, but Mitch McConnell shot it down, hopefully giving more fuel for McConnell's primary challenger.  :heh

I'm not sure this is a good thing. McConnell at least plays the game. A real fruit loop would be a big problem, especially if that person is Majority Leader.

This is one of the rare instances where, iirc, the biggest threat to a sitting Republican isn't a teabagger primary, but the actual Democrat opponent.

Mcconnels replacement as leader is not the person who wins his seat

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2014, 10:53:59 AM

John Cornyn is next in line for minority leader of the Senate, if McConnell loses. I think he'll win although things are looking pretty bad for him. Still it's Kentucky...

At least Obamacare works in the state, which has played a part in McConnell's low poll numbers.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 15, 2014, 07:28:38 PM

I wish John Cornyn would quit emailing me.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2014, 04:28:51 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 15, 2014, 09:03:23 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 14, 2014, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 14, 2014, 12:16:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Debt ceiling passes. Ted Cruz wanted to filibuster, but Mitch McConnell shot it down, hopefully giving more fuel for McConnell's primary challenger.  :heh

I'm not sure this is a good thing. McConnell at least plays the game. A real fruit loop would be a big problem, especially if that person is Majority Leader.

This is one of the rare instances where, iirc, the biggest threat to a sitting Republican isn't a teabagger primary, but the actual Democrat opponent.

Mcconnels replacement as leader is not the person who wins his seat

I know?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 16, 2014, 06:04:51 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 16, 2014, 04:28:51 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 15, 2014, 09:03:23 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 14, 2014, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 14, 2014, 12:16:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2014, 05:49:09 PM

Debt ceiling passes. Ted Cruz wanted to filibuster, but Mitch McConnell shot it down, hopefully giving more fuel for McConnell's primary challenger.  :heh

I'm not sure this is a good thing. McConnell at least plays the game. A real fruit loop would be a big problem, especially if that person is Majority Leader.

This is one of the rare instances where, iirc, the biggest threat to a sitting Republican isn't a teabagger primary, but the actual Democrat opponent.

Mcconnels replacement as leader is not the person who wins his seat

I know?

Then your post was a non sequitur. One more D vote doesn't help if mcconnels replacement as minority/majority leader is even less willing to resist the tea party.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2014, 06:36:28 PM

Oh, I see what happened. I meant to respond to Joe's post that you quoted, not your post.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2014, 11:33:38 AM

Queensghazi! (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ny-gop-corruption-trial-election)

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A New York GOP strategist has asked a federal judge to delay his corruption trial, arguing that the legal proceedings could reveal Republican strategies ahead of the 2014 state legislative and gubernatorial elections, according to the New York Post.

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“The necessary witnesses to such a trial may include the Republican Party chairmen of the state and county Republican committees in New York,” Tabone’s lawyer said in a letter to the judge. “Subjecting the Republican Party, its officials and internal political strategies to intense scrutiny, while sparing the Democratic Party, would unfairly undermine Republican Party candidates in the general election."

“Questioning of party official witnesses will directly impact federal and state elections being held in New York by selectively exposing Republican Party strategy, the negotiation of cross-party endorsements for Republican candidates. In short, it could devolve into a political circus aimed at the Republican Party and its federal and state candidates.”

:violin

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 17, 2014, 12:54:55 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2014, 05:58:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EIMkxNhClQ

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 17, 2014, 07:16:58 PM

"I LIKE TURTLE SOUP"

:rofl

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2014, 07:58:31 PM

Why are the comments so negative?  ???

He could be the new Alvin Greene or Basil Marceaux.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 17, 2014, 09:15:30 PM

He does look like a turtle, you can't really disagree with that part.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2014, 01:13:00 AM

UGH.

So how many federal judges has the senate confirmed since the beginning of the year?

One.

Fucking ONE judge confirmed all this time, with over 900 remaining to be seated, with less than 10 months left to do so before the Dems, in all likelihood, lose the senate. Shifting the balance of the federal court system to the left should probably be the most important thing on the agenda this year, and arguably the most important legacy for Obama in his entire second term. This should have been a top priority. What the hell?  :-\

spoiler (click to show/hide)

In fairness, the reason given for the slow nomination process is that it seems to be logistically very difficult. I get that, but STILL.

[close]

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2014, 01:35:25 AM

The process is only logistically very difficult when the minority party decides to effectively set a 60-vote threshold for every judicial nominee, regardless of their personal qualifications. which is what the GOP is doing and has done for several years now.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2014, 02:26:09 AM

One interesting aspect to it outside of partisan games is that it looks like wait times, confirmation amounts, etc. have all been increasing since the 1970s irregardless of President/Congress/Senate party compositions so there does seem to be a component where it's another instance of the Senate basically just not doing anything if they can get away with it. Indeed, it seems like Reid just couldn't be bothered yet:

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Reid can still schedule votes for nominees without the consent of Republicans, but it would be extremely time-consuming, requiring a full day to pass before even beginning debate and then anywhere from two to 30 hours for each nominee, per Senate rules. With unanimous consent, a nominee can be voted on in minutes.

A senior Senate Democratic aide said party leaders are trying to figure out a way to work together to let some judicial nominees through. But that isn't likely to happen until at least Feb. 24, when the Senate returns from a recess and begins a new work period. Even then, it could get messy.

Also, just to note,  I think you've got a typo there with the 900 judges, as I don't think there's even that many total federal judgeships.  :lol

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In fact, the only judicial nominee confirmed so far in 2014 has been Robert Wilkins, now a judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit whom Republicans blocked for months and who only got through after filibuster reform. That leaves 32 judicial nominees who are ready and waiting for a confirmation vote, but going nowhere.
...
There are now 96 judicial vacancies around the country

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2014, 04:09:58 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2014, 01:35:25 AM

The process is only logistically very difficult when the minority party decides to effectively set a 60-vote threshold for every judicial nominee, regardless of their personal qualifications. which is what the GOP is doing and has done for several years now.

No, thanks to the nuclear option (thank you based Harry Reid :bow) they don't need to worry about Republican shenanigans for confirming judges. The problem right now, as benji posted, Democrats all need to free up time from things like committee meetings, fundraising and campaigning to vote, which can be pretty difficult.

Quote

Also, just to note,  I think you've got a typo there with the 900 judges, as I don't think there's even that many total federal judgeships.  :lol

Yeah, you're right. It was over 90, not 900 I was thinking of.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2014, 04:48:19 AM

The first chucklehead to make an "over 9000" joke gets a swift e-punch to the e-face.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on February 18, 2014, 07:49:40 PM

So Cuomo wants to push a plan to give inmates a free college degree.

http://wivb.com/2014/02/17/cuomo-pushes-plan-to-give-inmates-free-degrees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wivb_offbeat+(WIVB.com+-+Offbeat+News) (http://wivb.com/2014/02/17/cuomo-pushes-plan-to-give-inmates-free-degrees/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+wivb_offbeat+(WIVB.com+-+Offbeat+News))

I mean I'm as liberal as the next guy, but this is liberalism gone too far IMO... Offer people who commit crimes to get a free education, while law-abiding citizens have to pay up the ass for rapidly increasing college costs? It seems like a typical politician patchwork solution by throwing money at a problem aside from attacking the root causes - improve our state's poorest school districts, give them cash to provide after-school activities to help keep kids off the streets, improve access to mental health care, lower punishments for minor drug offenses, so people won't end up in jail in the first place!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 18, 2014, 07:56:26 PM

Well if education helps reduce recidivism then I'm all for it.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2014, 08:10:02 PM

Cargo cult policy making.

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Cuomo said, “Five hundred inmates were educated. Two-hundred-fifty were awarded degrees. The proof is in the pudding. Of those people who went through The Bard College program the recidivism rate has only been four percent compared to close to 50 percent.”

Now what's another possible direction of causality here, Governor?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2014, 08:29:48 PM

Sure, that stat's going to be inflated by selection bias, but I'm pretty sure that in general the literature points to prison education programs reducing recidivism, and possibly being directly cost-effective (in that the program costs less than the money saved from fewer reincarcerations).


edit: And sure, there are plenty of arguments to be made against the program, but it's not like the only reason people advocate for this is cause everyone involved is too imbecilic to consider that there might be other factors at work.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2014, 08:46:15 PM

Just to be clear I think prisons should offer opportunities like this* and more for moral reasons, I just think this kind of cargo cult style reasoning is one of my least favorite "arguments" for policies. Like is often used for marriage, home ownership or degrees, that you just have to make there be more of them and the manna will fall on its own. It irritates, not to AWESOME-O and LeBron levels, quite a bit for some reason.

EDIT: *Maybe not exactly like this because of the incentive structure :lol, but the general idea.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2014, 08:57:49 PM

:rofl

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As the Toledo Blade reports, Joe the Plumber — a.k.a. Samuel Wurzelbacher — says he was required to join the United Auto Workers, now that he works for a union shop, and claims he’s been called a “Tea Bagger” by at least one pro-union co-worker. “I’m a Republican who was cast into the limelight for having the temerity to confront Barack Obama on the question of redistributing wealth,” Joe says. “But I’m a working man, and I’m working.”

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2014/02/18/joe-the-former-but-not-actually-plumber-update/

But really, how the fuck do you go from tea bagging superstar to union thug in such a short time? The guy was basically deified for his courageous stance as as non-rich guy defending the rich. You would think the wingnutosphere would have kept this douche employed for life.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 18, 2014, 09:08:11 PM

benji:  Well, good luck selling prison rehab programs based on empathy for convicts as fellow human beings!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2014, 09:21:28 PM

The destination isn't as important as the journey.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2014, 11:14:19 PM

I'd support programs that teach inmates trades or help them earn technical certifications. A four year degree though...probably not.

The bigger issue is that even with a degree or cert, it's nigh impossible for former inmates to find jobs.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on February 18, 2014, 11:22:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2014, 11:14:19 PM

I'd support programs that teach inmates trades or help them earn technical certifications. A four year degree though...probably not.

The bigger issue is that even with a degree or cert, it's nigh impossible for former inmates to find jobs.

Yup, absolutely.

Unless they go find work on Wall Street that is :P

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on February 19, 2014, 04:43:12 AM

Quote from:  Jim Tedisco

    “We’re a compassionate state and believe that people deserve second chances after they’ve served their time but it shouldn’t come at the expense of honest, hard-working, law-abiding taxpayers who, in many instances, can’t afford to pay their property taxes and send their own children to college.”

    “Students are mortgaging a lifetime of debt to pay for college loans yet the governor thinks criminals should get free college tuition. Rewarding criminal behavior with free college education reinforces their actions and makes them smarter criminals.”

    “This is definitely ‘Breaking Bad’ by potentially turning a bunch of Jesse Pinkmans into Walter Whites – all on the taxpayer’s dime.”

    “Soon we will be the only state where honesty and hard work are trumped by being a bad criminal. Only in New York. When can New Yorkers wake up from this nightmare?”

Can we fund a bunch of Gustavos instead?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on February 19, 2014, 07:19:47 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 18, 2014, 09:21:28 PM

The destination isn't as important as the journey.

The campaign slogan of Libertarians since Nineteen Hundred and a-long-ass-time-ago.  ;)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 19, 2014, 10:55:22 AM

I think 4 years of college should be paid for for everyone, including inmates :yeshrug

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 19, 2014, 10:58:43 AM

A lot of the reason convicts have problems finding jobs afterwards is their tendency to end up back in prison.  And a lot of the reason they end up back in prison is the fact that they can't find decent jobs.  Vicious circle and all that.  I'm in favor of anything that may be able to break that and bring faith in rehabilitation.

Edit: And take a look at the average cost per inmate now and a 4 year degree has got to be cheaper than incarcerating them over and over.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 19, 2014, 11:17:42 AM

And it's working so well!!

(For private prisons)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 19, 2014, 11:36:00 AM

Especially private prisons with mandatory minimum population contracts. The dumbest thing I've ever heard of.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2014, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 19, 2014, 10:58:43 AM

A lot of the reason convicts have problems finding jobs afterwards is their tendency to end up back in prison.  And a lot of the reason they end up back in prison is the fact that they can't find decent jobs.  Vicious circle and all that.  I'm in favor of anything that may be able to break that and bring faith in rehabilitation.

Edit: And take a look at the average cost per inmate now and a 4 year degree has got to be cheaper than incarcerating them over and over.

True but the problem wouldn't be solved as long as employers heavily discriminate against anyone with a criminal record/felony. It's sort of a catch 22 situation, and it can't be fixed with legislation.

In a perfect liberal world the government would hire former criminals/offenders into some type of WPA-esque program.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2014, 12:17:18 PM

Hey man, I'm just trying to ensure they're properly trained and qualified to colonize Tarsonis.
:yeshrug

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 19, 2014, 01:01:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2014, 11:54:32 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 19, 2014, 10:58:43 AM

A lot of the reason convicts have problems finding jobs afterwards is their tendency to end up back in prison.  And a lot of the reason they end up back in prison is the fact that they can't find decent jobs.  Vicious circle and all that.  I'm in favor of anything that may be able to break that and bring faith in rehabilitation.

Edit: And take a look at the average cost per inmate now and a 4 year degree has got to be cheaper than incarcerating them over and over.

True but the problem wouldn't be solved as long as employers heavily discriminate against anyone with a criminal record/felony. It's sort of a catch 22 situation, and it can't be fixed with legislation.

In a perfect liberal world the government would hire former criminals/offenders into some type of WPA-esque program.

I would be down with that, but since that will never happen I'm going to back the plan that at least gives them some sort of resource when we throw them back into the real world.  It's better than the nothing we do now.  If there's going to be a change in how felons are viewed by employers it's going to start with how society defines rehabilitation and imprisonment.  This is as good a place as any to start IMO.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 19, 2014, 01:18:32 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 19, 2014, 10:58:43 AM

A lot of the reason convicts have problems finding jobs afterwards is their tendency to end up back in prison.  And a lot of the reason they end up back in prison is the fact that they can't find decent jobs.  Vicious circle and all that.  I'm in favor of anything that may be able to break that and bring faith in rehabilitation.

Edit: And take a look at the average cost per inmate now and a 4 year degree has got to be cheaper than incarcerating them over and over.

Article says program cost is $5000 per year on top of incarceration costs of $60,000 per year, seems a no-brainer to me.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on February 19, 2014, 03:15:38 PM

I can't wait to see people go to prison just to get a college degree.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on February 19, 2014, 04:00:38 PM

Quote from: helios on February 19, 2014, 03:15:38 PM

I can't wait to see people go to prison just to get a college degree.

"I would kill to have a free education"

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2014, 05:11:40 PM

Quote from: Boogie on February 19, 2014, 07:19:47 AM

The campaign slogan of Libertarians since Nineteen Hundred and a-long-ass-time-ago.  ;)

I thought it was "Republicans Who Want To* Smoke Heroin With Underage Prostitutes!" Well, screw this then.

*Legally

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2014, 08:29:43 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/02/18/1278483/--Joe-the-Plumber-takes-a-union-job-at-Chrysler
 :hitler

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2014, 09:21:45 PM

Massive corporation considering using the state to crush smaller competition (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-02-19/wal-mart-says-looking-at-support-of-federal-minimum-wage-rise.html):

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Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT), the largest private employer in the U.S., said it’s looking at supporting an increase in the federal minimum wage, breaking with business and industry groups that oppose such a measure.

Wal-Mart is weighing the impact of additional payroll costs against possibly attracting more consumer dollars to its stores, David Tovar, a company spokesman, said today in a telephone interview. Increasing the minimum wage means that some of the 140 million people who shop at the chain weekly would “now have additional income,” Tovar said.

In the mid-2000s, Wal-Mart backed an increase in the federal minimum wage that eventually took effect in 2007. Asked whether Wal-Mart would support another raise in the federal minimum wage, Tovar said: “That’s something we’re looking at. Whenever there’s debates, it’s not like we look once and make a decision. We look a few times from other angles.”
...
Asked to comment on the NRF’s opposition, Tovar said: “There’s plenty of occasions where we don’t necessarily agree. But it makes a decision based on where a majority of their members are. Those circumstances arise, and this one of them.”

Gap Inc. announced today that it will raise its hourly pay for U.S. employees to $9 in 2014 and $10 the following year, saying it wants to “do more than sell clothes.”

I assume that last part is referring to starting wars in Asia or something else sinister.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on February 19, 2014, 09:37:55 PM

Goodness, Walmart discovers that wages are their number one source of income? Shocking display of intelligence.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2014, 09:52:13 PM

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Update: The same Wal-Mart spokesman told the Huffington Post Wednesday afternoon that his initial comment was taken out of context: "We are not at all considering this."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wal-mart-considering-support-of-federal-minimum-wage-hike

(http://imageshack.com/a/img837/6246/rnsc.png)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on February 19, 2014, 09:56:37 PM

Fuck everything. :heh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 19, 2014, 09:56:44 PM

I knew that seemed a little odd considering how hard they fought against a wage hike in D.C.


In other news, from Scott Walker's deputy chief-of-staff:

(http://i.imgur.com/YmtwnWm.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2014, 10:08:21 PM

Which one is him?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2014, 10:09:43 PM

THIS IS HILARIOUS AND SO TRUE

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2014, 10:11:28 PM

The one on the left looks CGI.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 19, 2014, 10:14:46 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2014, 10:08:21 PM

Which one is him?

The one saying it's "hilarious" and "so true".

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2014, 10:15:25 PM

The picture was really crying out for a "such handouts wow much welfare state" edit. This is why you keep losing the youth vote, Republicans.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2014, 09:18:29 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/02/19/us-vw-usplant-idUSBREA1I0S820140219

Quote

"I can imagine fairly well that another VW factory in the United States, provided that one more should still be set up there, does not necessarily have to be assigned to the south again," said Bernd Osterloh, head of VW's works council.

"If co-determination isn't guaranteed in the first place, we as workers will hardly be able to vote in favor" of potentially building another plant in the U.S. south, Osterloh, who is also on VW's supervisory board, said.

Quote

"The conservatives stirred up massive, anti-union sentiments," Osterloh said. "It's possible that the conclusion will be drawn that this interference amounted to unfair labor praxis

 :neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2014, 09:33:41 AM

come to Michigan

oh wait we're right to work, but you can still come!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2014, 09:56:17 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/NTgEMAV.png)

 :obama :umad

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 21, 2014, 01:21:57 AM

That's like a foxnews.com comment section word cloud.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2014, 10:35:30 AM

Career criminal Tom DeLay paving the way for his comeback:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxFp0TRgN7w

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2014, 07:18:51 PM

Quote

Conservative activist and rocker Ted Nugent apologized Friday for using the term "subhuman mongrel" to describe President Barack Obama.

"I do apologize–not necessarily to the President–but on behalf of much better men than myself," he said in an interview with conservative radio host Ben Ferguson, who's also a CNN political commentator.

...

Nugent said he apologizes "for using the streetfighter terminology of 'subhuman mongrel' instead of just using more understandable language, such as 'violator of his oath to the Constitution'."

In his apology, Nugent appeared to regret more the fact that his language has been tied to Republican politicians from his state, such as Abbott, Gov. Rick Perry, and Sen. Ted Cruz.

"I apologize for using the term," he said. "I will try to elevate my vernacular to the level of those great men that I'm learning from in the world of politics."

:patel

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2014, 08:22:02 PM

Quote

streetfighter terminology

:lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 21, 2014, 08:58:21 PM

More like lynch mob terminology

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 21, 2014, 11:21:44 PM

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51m7rl2Dw8L.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2014, 03:22:56 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_Michigan,_2014#Declared_5

Quote

Sean Nash, banned former Wookieepedia editor, wood enthusiast, militant atheist with Asperger's and chronic gout.

Finally, a candidate for the people.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2014, 09:02:32 AM

I look forward to hearing an onslaught of attack ads against Gary Peters every six years instead of two years. They always make him sound like a pervert.

I'm kind of surprised at how much attention the Nugent comments have gotten this week. Man, just imagine how insane republicans will go next year when the Hillary train starts going; they're already throwing old shit at her. I always debate whether it's easier to get away with racism or sexism, politically. My friends tend to disagree but I still think racism is easier, especially in this era where if something doesn't meet the Webster dictionary definition of racism, it's not racism. Example: "Nugent didn't say Obama was inferior due to his race, why are you playing the race card."

Republicans have said so much slick shit about Obama since 2007 without sparking outrage (food stamp president, only own because of white guilt, etc), outside of liberal corners. But I can't see republicans getting away with blatant sexism against Hillary in the next two years. I'd bet money we will hear comments about women shouldn't be the head of the house/presidency, "that time of the month," is she strong enough, is she smart enough, presidents shouldn't cry, etc. Good luck with that shit, especially with women voters.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on February 22, 2014, 10:56:23 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2014, 09:02:32 AM

Man, just imagine how insane republicans will go next year when the Hillary train starts going; they're already throwing old shit at her.

Man I can't wait for the return of Whitewater*

*I'm sure Mandark will point me to someone who has already brought this up

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2014, 11:18:36 AM

I'm even more excited about the inevitable return of FlameOfCallonor who will no doubt explain to us why we just don't understand Bengazi and his negative experiences with female bosses in the private sector.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 22, 2014, 06:13:16 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on February 21, 2014, 08:58:21 PM

More like lynch mob terminology

George Lynch was in Lynch Mob, not Ted.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2014, 01:40:54 PM

Quote

The Tea Party challenger to Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) in Kansas posted on Facebook graphic x-ray images of deceased patients who suffered serious injuries and poked fun at the images, the Topeka Capital-Journal reported on Saturday.

Dr. Milton Wolf, a radiologist, told the Capital-Journal that the images were uploaded legally. Wolf's personal Facebook account, where he published the x-rays, was disabled when he launched his bid for Senate.

Wolf would not say whether he continued to post such images to social media sites.

"I'm not going to play these kinds of gotcha games," he told the Capital-Journal.

Wolf posted a 3D image of a gunshot wound to a victim's head according to excerpts published by the Capital-Journal. When one commenter asked why the head wasn't straight on the image, Wolf wrote, "it's not like the patient was going to complain."

And when a later commenter said he wished that Wolf had instead posted a 3D medical image of breast augmentation, Wolf joked back.

"Ha! Jeff, now that was funny. Just be glad I'm not a gastroenterologist then," he wrote.

On another image Wolf posted of a gunshot wound, he joked that it reminded him of the movie "The Terminator 2."

"It reminds (me) of the scene from Terminator 2 when they shoot the liquid metal terminator guy in the face at close range and it kind of splits him open temporarily almost like a flower blooming," he wrote. "We all find beauty in different things."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wolf-x-rays-serious-injuries

I look forward to his anti-Obamacare ads.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 23, 2014, 02:18:59 PM

Compassionate conservatism, family values, ect.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 23, 2014, 02:54:57 PM

Why did he post those pics exactly?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 23, 2014, 10:20:12 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 23, 2014, 02:54:57 PM

Why did he post those pics exactly?

Gunshot wounds are p. hilarious.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 23, 2014, 10:22:19 PM

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/ted-nugent-calls-obama-a-subhuman-mongrel-tx-gov-candidate-wont-take-him-off-the-campaign-trail.192367/page-4#post-7464461

never fails :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2014, 04:05:59 AM

Just discovered that along with Galaxy Quest there are a bunch of Firing Line's available on Amazon Video free with Prime. No idea how many, but tons of them. Which might explain why Hoover started and has been continuing to post preview clips on YouTube after pretending it didn't exist for years.

Just watched a few, one with Saul Alinsky full of him chain smoking, Buckley doing his little pokes and then smirking, terribly dressed 1970s students plus one hot chick, etc. One from 1966 with Barry Goldwater where in his blatantly honest style he basically predicts everything that winds up happening, Reagan (elected three days earlier) as a rising star and Robert Kennedy/Vietnam becoming a real threat to LBJ, Nixon being the nominee in '68, conservatives pushing out the liberals and vice versa in the Democratic Party because it leads to elections like his (and he suggests the Democrats might suffer their own soon for similar reasons) but that Vietnam wouldn't divide the Republicans and that no matter what this whole deal is breaking down the checks and balances and empowering the Presidency because Congress can't be assed to stand up for itself. Also one with Christopher Hitchens and some beyond annoying Norm Macdonald looking dork from the 1980s that's actually also on YouTube in full where you can tell Buckley prefers Hitchens and how alike they are in sense of humor (chuckling at each others high level jokes) even as he agrees more with the dork. It's almost worth watching just for how annoying the one taco is (and how many times he tries to enlist Bill like he's the teacher of the classroom to shut Hitchens up):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeGKcX-JHNE

I've read there's one where apparently Buckley and John Kenneth Galbraith basically just spend an hour throwing snarky jabs at each other because they were buddies. Will have to look for that one.

Firing Line and Uncommon Knowledge* are two I've always liked for how little they were really concerned about the "politics as sport" aspect which dominates [pick your famous show now] along with how calm and allowance there is for guests to speak at length. Even that Hitchens one which is setup by the 1984 destruction of Mondale is more about grand historical and ideological trends within themselves rather than how it can help the parties in the next election. The Goldwater one is kinda stark when they go to audience questions and 80% of them are basically wanting Buckley and Goldwater's opinions about the (two years away) 1968 election and you can tell both are massively disappointed.  :lol

*Hell, even old Crossfire, and to an extent The McLaughlin Group had a lot of these qualities even as they spawned the modern political debate show's worst aspects. The ol Crossfire classic with Frank Zappa:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ISil7IHzxc

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 24, 2014, 11:14:01 AM

Quote

Dean of the House Congressman John Dingell to retire – A tribute with PHOTOS

Last summer John Dingell became the longest serving member of Congress, breaking a record formerly held by Senator Robert Byrd. During his 58 years in Congress, John Dingell has been a champion of nearly every single progressive cause you could name. Every session he has introduced legislation to create a single-payer healthcare system in the United States of America, taking over a tradition started by his father who preceded him in Congress.

Today, at a Legislative Forum being held by the Southern Wayne County Regional Chamber, John Dingell will announce his retirement.

John Dingell’s time in office crosses six decades. His fingerprints can be found on some of the most transformative legislation in our country’s history:

    The Clean Air Act
    The Civil Rights Act
    The Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP)
    The Endangered Species Act
    The National Environmental Policy Act
    The Pollution Prevention Act
    The FDA Food Safety Modernization Act
    The Energy Policy and Conservation Acts of 1975 & 1976
    The Affordable Care Act (“Obamacare”)

http://www.eclectablog.com/2014/02/dean-of-the-house-congressman-john-dingell-to-retire-a-tribute-with-photos.html

that's my congressman :tocry

Quote

(http://www.eclectablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/dingell_retire02.jpg)
John Dingell confronted by angry tea partiers at Obamacare forum in Romulus

With regard to the Affordable Care Act, at an historic public forum in Inkster before its passage, an event covered in great detail here at Eclectablog, the Congressman was asked “DID YOU EVEN READ THE BILL???” His response? “Read it? I WROTE it!”

:whew :rejoice

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2014, 12:55:34 PM

Can we finally put the Angry Black Man meme to rest for good and replace it with Angry Old White Person Who Is Afeard of Everything?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2014, 04:56:35 PM

Angry black men -> localized violence -> unsightly, weakness, national shame, no planning, divisive -> illegitimate.
Angry white men -> internationalized violence -> exciting! strength! national pride! planning! unity! EXPORTS! -> legitimate

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Angry white men -> localized violence -> totality of the circs, force was discharged, the fact pattern as presented, due process, officer safety, scumbags had it coming -> legitimate
 :teehee

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spoiler (click to show/hide)

Angry white people -> deferred violence -> the democratic process! will of the people! the people have spoken! the great debate! the most important right! -> legitimate
 :teehee :teehee :teehee :teehee

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Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on February 24, 2014, 10:45:42 PM

Be Black and demonstrate with a white supremacist organisation, brehs

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on February 24, 2014, 11:10:50 PM

I just skipped a few minutes in because I'm a lazy cunt :yeshrug

also yes i've never heard of him

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on February 24, 2014, 11:13:01 PM

lol i just read his wiki entry.

so he's one of the good ones, eh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2014, 01:41:33 AM

Where's the unskewed polls guy to fix what's been going on with Rasmussen? http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

It's been positive and growing for two weeks or more now.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2014, 09:03:14 AM

Quote from: Esch on February 24, 2014, 11:15:44 PM

His #1 Chart Topping Single:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7jfKHmMv-Q

Quote

Peterson has also thanked "God and white people" for slavery adding if it weren't for the slave trade, blacks might have never made it to the promised land and described slave ships as akin to "being on a crowded airplane".

:neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on February 25, 2014, 11:14:09 AM

I hope he gets lynched

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2014, 11:44:10 AM

Quote from: helios on February 25, 2014, 11:14:09 AM

I hope he gets lynched

He'll get to go to White Heaven with Ronald Reagan.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on February 25, 2014, 11:46:20 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2014, 11:44:10 AM

Quote from: helios on February 25, 2014, 11:14:09 AM

I hope he gets lynched

He'll get to go to White Heaven with Ronald Reagan.

But would he get along with Uncle Ruckus?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2014, 04:17:55 PM

https://www.facebook.com/SteveDeaceShow/posts/10201462595271779?notif_t=like

:trollbron:

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on February 25, 2014, 04:30:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2014, 04:17:55 PM

https://www.facebook.com/SteveDeaceShow/posts/10201462595271779?notif_t=like

:trollbron:

Those all seem like perfectly good free market solutions to problems.  Not sure what the problem is.   :win

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2014, 04:38:17 PM

Quote

Would you help your girlfriend lie better to her husband about what she's really doing with her free time, and who she's doing it with?

I dunno, I'll have to ask my pastor what the Biblically-correct answer to this one is.  :heh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 25, 2014, 04:39:34 PM

Help people sin, brehs. It's far more entertaining.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 25, 2014, 06:43:15 PM

Nvm was a page behind

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2014, 10:07:21 PM

Quote

Report: Obamacare Enrollment Hits 4 Million

About 4 million Americans have now enrolled in health coverage through Obamacare, according to the Huffington Post.

The news outlet cited "a senior administration official" in reporting the new figure. Enrollment at the end of January was 3.3 million, meaning about 700,000 people have enrolled in February.

The Obama administration's original projection was 7 million by March 31, the end of open enrollment, though they have walked back from that estimate since HealthCare.gov disastrous launch in October.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obamacare-enrollment-4-million
 :ufup GOP

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 26, 2014, 01:45:21 PM

The GOP's new tax reform bill actually has a tax HIKE on wall street banks. How in the name of the prophet Reagan (PBUH) did that ever get through? :o

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2014, 04:04:55 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 26, 2014, 01:45:21 PM

The GOP's new tax reform bill actually has a tax HIKE on wall street banks. How in the name of the prophet Reagan (PBUH) did that ever get through? :o

It hasn't got through anything yet (nor will it ever.)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on February 26, 2014, 04:19:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/RgpzxL5.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2014, 04:26:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gYjBMTZ6NA

LZ Granderson just bent over The Cucch and :tauntaun

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2014, 05:22:58 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/harry-reid-koch-brothers-un-american

Then he threw the kitchen sink at billionaires Charles and David Koch, who are currently pushing one anti-Obamacare ad that strains the facts, calling them "un-American" and accusing them of trying to buy America.

"What is going on with these two brothers who made billions of dollars last year in an attempt to buy our democracy is does honest, deceptive, false and unfair. Just because you have huge amounts of money you should not be able to run these false, misleading ads by the hundreds of millions of dollars. They hide behind all kinds of entities," Reid said. "It's not just their front organization, Americans For Prosperity. But they give money to all kinds of organizations, lots of money. You see, when you make billions of dollars a year you can be as immoral and dishonest as your money will allow you to be. It's too bad that they're trying to buy America and it's time that the American people spoke out against this terrible dishonesty of these two brothers, who are about as un-American as anyone that I can imagine."

:whew

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 26, 2014, 09:39:13 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2014, 04:04:55 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 26, 2014, 01:45:21 PM

The GOP's new tax reform bill actually has a tax HIKE on wall street banks. How in the name of the prophet Reagan (PBUH) did that ever get through? :o

It hasn't got through anything yet (nor will it ever.)

I meant that even to humor the idea of raising taxes on the job creators is unthinkable with the current Republican party. This is the first time I've seen any GOP proposal that specifically mentioned a tax hike on some wealthy constituency that didn't involve some vague shit about closing unnamed loopholes or whatever.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2014, 11:49:24 PM

What's the deal with that bill?  From what little I've read it sets the top rate at 25% but earnings past $450K may be subject to a 10% surcharge depending on what business they're in (production industries being exempt, etc.).

That would put it at 35%, which is lower than the current top rate of 39.6%, but I guess it could be a hike on certain Wall Street types if they get rid of the carried interest thing and treat their salaries as labor income rather than capital gains?  There has to be a blog post or ten breaking this down somewhere.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2014, 12:33:14 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2014/02/26/dave-camps-tax-plan-a-brave-start-but-lots-of-gimmicks/

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He’d also kill the Alternative Minimum Tax and redesign the taxation of capital gains and dividends. The first 40 percent of this investment income would be excluded from tax but the rest would be taxed at ordinary income rates. These too are important changes.

On the other hand, Camp claims he’s crunched the current seven-rate individual tax system to two rates 10 and 25 percent, a long-stated goal of many GOP leaders. But he really has three: 10 percent for single filers making less than $35,600($71,200 for joint filers), 25 percent for those making up to $400,000 ($450,000 for couples), and 35 percent for those making more than that.

But the story gets a lot more complicated—and more costly — for many households. For instance, the plan would repeal the personal exemption. It would significantly raise the standard deduction for most taxpayers but phase it out for high-income households.  It would also phase out the benefit of the 10 percent bracket and cap itemized deductions. All these changes would boost effective tax rates.

The 10 percent surtax on high-income individuals is in addition to the 3.8 percent levy on unearned income that was adopted as part of the 2010 Affordable Care Act (which Camp retains). In addition, the surtax would apply to income that is currently untaxed, such as the value of employer sponsored health insurance and the health deduction for the self-employed, municipal bond interest, untaxed Social Security benefits, and 401(k) contributions.

He’d also backload tax benefits for retirement savings. He’d bar new contributions to traditional and non-deductible IRAs but at the same time make everyone eligible to contribute to Roth IRAs. This would generate revenue in the early years since contributions would not be deductible. But because distributions from Roths are tax-free, such a design would increase future deficits by billions of dollars.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2014, 12:46:46 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 26, 2014, 01:45:21 PM

How in the name of the prophet Reagan (PBUH) did that ever get through? :o

He's cool with it, or was in 1986 anyway:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Reagan_Tax.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2014, 01:00:39 AM

Okay, who's the dude between Kemp and Dole and why can't I place that face?  Also, Dick Gephart peeking in from the back, Charlie Rangel off to the side, and is that Pat Buchanan and the back of Bill Bradley's head?


Thanks for the link.  Interesting that even for a simplification it seems plenty complicated, but I take it as a sign that it's actually been designed with input from multiple (Republican) Congressfolk and outside groups, with the intention of being the basis of an actual successful bill.  Not that I think it has any chance, but still.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2014, 01:32:02 AM

Well, it is simplifying a pretty absurdly complicated system to begin with.  :lol

I think that might be Don Regan. His successor at Treasury, James Baker is behind.

Robert Byrd pulling out the three piece suit reminded me of this weird picture from the early 80's I saw a couple weeks back:
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_982w/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2013/07/30/Production/Daily/Style/Images/Merlin_19128011.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 27, 2014, 01:45:54 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 27, 2014, 12:46:46 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 26, 2014, 01:45:21 PM

How in the name of the prophet Reagan (PBUH) did that ever get through? :o

He's cool with it, or was in 1986 anyway:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/Reagan_Tax.jpg)

Well of course he liked that one. Wasn't that the only tax reform legislation in our history that cut taxes for the rich but RAISED them on the lowest bracket?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 27, 2014, 01:57:31 AM

Well yeah the current system's complicated.  What I mean is that when you see a tax reform proposal that's hyper-simple it's a good indication that it's meant as a statement of principles or as a way to build a candidate or politician's brand.  Think Forbes and the flat tax in 1996 or Huckabee's consumption tax from 2008.

While the proposal's DOA, it has signs of being the result of some sort of intra-GOP compromise, which in itself is at least somewhat significant.  It might not even make waves, but I'm a bit interested in how various Republicans/conservatives react to it, as an early signal of what will be considered kosher for tax policy for Republicans the next time they have a majority or the White House.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2014, 09:22:01 AM

If you had told me Camp's plan was a compromise proposal from the White House I'd believe it. It's not nearly as bad as I expected, although obviously it rewards the super rich and picks favorites amongst manufacturers (ie oil companies). Seems too liberal for the House, at least to me. Increases the child tax credit, standard deduction...not bad. I want to see manufacturing get the 25% rate across the board, not just oil and farming companies.

The glaring thing is the elimination of the deduction for state and local taxes, which would hit big states like NY, Cali, and NJ. I wouldn't mind seeing some type of compromise that keeps the deduction but lowers it, effectively raising taxes for residents of those states.

BTW anyone else tiring of TPM's recent lurch to liberal click bait territory? When I saw the tax proposal I thought "welp, Cali and NY are fucked." TPM's headline? GOP's New Plan Hikes Taxes On Americans In Blue States. Two blue states.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2014, 10:38:20 AM

“I feel like ‘embattled’ or ‘disgraced’ will always follow my name. It’s like that black football player who recently came out. He said, ‘I just want to be known as a football player. I don’t want to be known as a gay football player.’ I know exactly what he’s saying."
~Paula Deen (http://www.thewrap.com/paula-deen-compares-her-situtation-to-openly-gay-nfl-player-michael-sam)

:heh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on February 27, 2014, 12:16:31 PM

My being labeled as a bigot is the same kind of struggle to suffer through as that one taco distinguished black fellow football player, y'all. :dur

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2014, 12:36:13 PM

In Paula's defense, keeping up with the names of all the hired help is pretty hard.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on February 27, 2014, 06:02:31 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2014, 09:22:01 AM

If you had told me Camp's plan was a compromise proposal from the White House I'd believe it. It's not nearly as bad as I expected, although obviously it rewards the super rich and picks favorites amongst manufacturers (ie oil companies). Seems too liberal for the House, at least to me. Increases the child tax credit, standard deduction...not bad. I want to see manufacturing get the 25% rate across the board, not just oil and farming companies.

The glaring thing is the elimination of the deduction for state and local taxes, which would hit big states like NY, Cali, and NJ. I wouldn't mind seeing some type of compromise that keeps the deduction but lowers it, effectively raising taxes for residents of those states.

BTW anyone else tiring of TPM's recent lurch to liberal click bait territory? When I saw the tax proposal I thought "welp, Cali and NY are fucked." TPM's headline? GOP's New Plan Hikes Taxes On Americans In Blue States. Two blue states.

Those states already receive less in federal benefits than they pay in federal taxes

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2014, 07:31:44 PM

Quote

GOP Senate Candidate 'Applauds' Obamacare's Medicaid Expansion

Terri Lynn Land, the presumptive Republican candidate for Michigan's open Senate seat backed off her prior support for full Obamacare repeal Thursday, with her campaign saying instead that she "applauds" the state's decision to expand Medicaid under the law.

“Terri believes that healthcare should be affordable and accessible to all Americans and that we as a society have a moral obligation to help those who are not as fortunate and their children," Heather Swift, a spokeswoman for Land, told the Washington Post. "Terri applauds Governor Snyder for doing what he believes is best for Michigan families, while complying with mandates from Congress brought down in ObamaCare."

Land had said in a radio interview earlier this month that she wants "to go down there and repeal Obamacare." Americans for Prosperity, a conservative super PAC that has been attacking her likely Democratic opponent, has also campaigned against Michigan's Medicaid expansion.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/terri-lynn-land-medicaid-expansion

and thus the backtracking begins. Good luck with that.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on February 27, 2014, 11:53:36 PM

Quote from: Esch on February 27, 2014, 11:28:28 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/27/maine-republican-regrets-saying-men-should-rape-women-if-abortion-is-legal/

Be a Republican brehs :neogaf

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Are they sprinkling lead paint chips on their pizza? Just a goddamn disgrace.

One of them is our next president. :(

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2014, 12:18:38 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on February 27, 2014, 11:53:36 PM

Quote from: Esch on February 27, 2014, 11:28:28 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/27/maine-republican-regrets-saying-men-should-rape-women-if-abortion-is-legal/

Be a Republican brehs :neogaf

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Are they sprinkling lead paint chips on their pizza? Just a goddamn disgrace.

One of them is our next president. :(

(http://i.imgur.com/C9fnkvn.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2014, 02:17:24 AM

Quote from: Esch on February 27, 2014, 11:28:28 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/02/27/maine-republican-regrets-saying-men-should-rape-women-if-abortion-is-legal/

Be a Republican brehs :neogaf

What the fuck is wrong with these people? Are they sprinkling lead paint chips on their pizza? Just a goddamn disgrace.

Guy should have stood up for some of his comments. At least the ones quoted there. AIDS ones were in the 1980s when everyone knew you could get it from watching Magic Johnson on TV. Abortion/rape one is a rhetorical question snipped out of presumably a larger argument.

Plus everybody knows sodomy is a depraved crime against humanity, that's the primary reason you even do it in the first place. Or that's what that guy in that parking garage who turned me onto it said anyway.

He's lost a lot of hair in 26 years:
(http://thetippingpoint.bangordailynews.com/files/2014/02/lockman_michaud_88_BDN.png)

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2014, 09:22:01 AM

The glaring thing is the elimination of the deduction for state and local taxes, which would hit big states like NY, Cali, and NJ. I wouldn't mind seeing some type of compromise that keeps the deduction but lowers it, effectively raising taxes for residents of those states.

I've always wondered why more state level politicians like Governors or whoever don't use this when defending state tax increases, "you aren't paying anymore in taxes, but we're keeping more money here in Michigan instead of sending it to Washington first" or "we're keeping your tax money here in Texas instead of spending it on welfare for feggits in San Francisco" and so on. Or maybe I've just not seen it very often.

Other than the obvious answer of that they wish to be those federal legislators and executives holding onto the money down the road.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2014, 02:23:33 AM

Just realized I implied that Lockman was the guy who turned me onto sodomy by being unspecific about who the "he" is in my two sentences. I said things that I regret. I hold no animosity toward anyone by virtue of their gender or sexual orientation, and today I am focused on ensuring freedom and economic prosperity for all Mainers.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2014, 03:14:30 AM

State income taxes are deducted from your taxable income, not from the tax bill itself, so a state income tax hike would only be partially mitigated.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2014, 05:07:13 AM

http://www.teapartynation.com/forum/topics/tyranny-the-loss-of-liberty-and-arizona-s-sb1062

Quote

Arizona Governor Jan Brewer has vetoed SB1062, The Religious Freedom Restoration Act in Arizona.  No one has ever accused Governor Brewer of being the most courageous Republican around. Come to think of it, the word courageous and Jan Brewer have probably never been uttered in the same sentence.

The left and the homosexual lobby in America went into overdrive to kill this bill.  Conservatives rallied for this bill and Governor Brewer opted for cowardice instead of courage.

Why is this bill so important and what did it mean for not only Arizona but America?

The issue can be boiled down to one word: Freedom.

A free man or woman controls their labor.  A slave has no control over their labor.  A free man or woman decides who they will work for and under what conditions.  The slave cannot.

The left and the homosexual lobby are both pushing slavery using the Orwellian concepts of “tolerance” and “inclusiveness.”

...

Immediately the left and the homosexual lobby went into high dudgeon.  Arizona’s SB1062 must be defeated because Americans really are no longer free and must be forced to serve the great liberal state, regardless of their beliefs.

The storm rose against Arizona and Jan Brewer proved she was no Ronald Reagan.  She has an honored place in the ranks of the French Republicans. Corporations and business interests, many of whom support far left wing causes, like Apple demanded this bill be vetoed.  Apple gives 96% of its political giving to Democrats.  Why a Republican listens to a word from Apple or lifts a finger to help them is beyond comprehension.  The NFL threatened to pull the Super Bowl from Arizona in 2015.

...

Someone with courage would have called their bluff.  Arizona has Jan Brewer.

The left came up with bizarre and insane arguments against SB1062.  They tried to equate sexual preference with race.  Unfortunately few will stand up against that grossly inaccurate analogy.  The left believes that it has the right to dictate what religious beliefs are allowed.

They need to be reminded what our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution say.  Our rights are given to us by a higher power than the government and cannot be taken away.

The left loves to come up with absurd hypotheticals to scream that there must be compliance with their fascism, so how about a couple from our side.   

Should a devout baker be required to create a cake for a homosexual wedding that has a giant phallic symbol on it or should a baker be required to create pastries for a homosexual wedding in the shape of genitallia? Or should a photographer be required to photograph a homosexual wedding where the participants decide they want to be nude or engage in sexual behavior?  Would they force a Jewish photographer to work a Klan or Nazi event? How about forcing a Muslim caterer to work a pork barbeque dinner?

...

SB1062 is a bigger story than simply the story of a cowardly governor who has no core beliefs.

SB1062 is the story of liberalism at work in America.

Liberalism is the paranoid belief that leftists have that somewhere, someone may be thinking for themselves.  It is the tyrannical belief that no deviation in belief is allowed from the decreed orthodoxy.

It is the antithesis of liberty.

It is tyranny on the march.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on February 28, 2014, 08:04:23 AM

None of that makes any fucking sense. Oh tea party.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 28, 2014, 09:04:47 AM

"The left" is code for 'those who don't agree with me'.

It's tyranny when my worldview isn't laid out before me.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2014, 09:06:46 AM

ANTITHESIS OF LIBERTY
TYRANNY ON THE MARCH
DOWN WITH PHALLUS CAKES

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on February 28, 2014, 11:14:24 AM

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-02/28/c_133149412.htm  :whoo

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2014, 08:54:08 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on February 28, 2014, 08:04:23 AM

None of that makes any fucking sense. Oh tea party.

Patriots will be forced to bake cakes and take pictures for progressive constitution-burning-and-bible-pooping-on orgies, what can't you understand about that?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on February 28, 2014, 08:57:49 PM

Quote from: Erick Erickson

In December of 1865, the several American states ratified the 13th amendment, constitutionally ending involuntary servitude in the United States. In the 21st century, Americans are coming full circle. In a number of states, a black man can again be forced by the government to work involuntarily for a white man.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2014, 09:06:02 PM

Erick Erickson, staunch defender of African-American rights and professional quote maker.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 28, 2014, 09:38:22 PM

But..what if the customer is a gay black man?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: FatalT on February 28, 2014, 09:40:26 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 28, 2014, 09:38:22 PM

But..what if the customer is a gay black man?

Then I hope he enjoys being black!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2014, 10:06:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2014, 08:57:49 PM

Quote from: Erick Erickson

In December of 1865, the several American states ratified the 13th amendment, constitutionally ending involuntary servitude in the United States. In the 21st century, Americans are coming full circle. In a number of states, a black man can again be forced by the government to work involuntarily for a white man.

someone is going to have to translate this for me. I don't understand what he's saying.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2014, 10:13:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2014, 10:06:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2014, 08:57:49 PM

Quote from: Erick Erickson

In December of 1865, the several American states ratified the 13th amendment, constitutionally ending involuntary servitude in the United States. In the 21st century, Americans are coming full circle. In a number of states, a black man can again be forced by the government to work involuntarily for a white man.

someone is going to have to translate this for me. I don't understand what he's saying.

A black man that works at a cake shop won't be able to defend himself against white homo demons anymore.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on February 28, 2014, 10:33:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2014, 10:13:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2014, 10:06:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 28, 2014, 08:57:49 PM

Quote from: Erick Erickson

In December of 1865, the several American states ratified the 13th amendment, constitutionally ending involuntary servitude in the United States. In the 21st century, Americans are coming full circle. In a number of states, a black man can again be forced by the government to work involuntarily for a white man.

someone is going to have to translate this for me. I don't understand what he's saying.

A black man that works at a cake shop won't be able to defend himself against white homo demons anymore.

Pretty much.

Why this is limited to the blacks, I'm not so sure.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on February 28, 2014, 11:05:45 PM

Equality is fascism, brehs.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 28, 2014, 11:38:08 PM

Quote from: 2nd sentence

No one has ever accused Governor Brewer of being the most courageous Republican around.

Quote from: the very next f**king sentence

Come to think of it, the word courageous and Jan Brewer have probably never been uttered in the same sentence.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2014, 11:51:54 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on February 28, 2014, 11:05:45 PM

Equality is fascism, brehs.

True equality comes from the voluntary acceptance of each other like in sports. Not forcing those with the Mark of Cain to make penis pastries for homo daemons.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2014, 12:44:00 AM

What's the deal with cake shops anyway? Like anybody even cares what some dumb baker does.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2014, 12:45:52 AM

Hold on, he's equating the potential of a religious black worker being "forced" to serve a gay customer (the same way he'd serve a straight customer) with slavery?

I'm going to bed. I have reached my fuckery limit for the day.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 01, 2014, 05:36:26 PM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/02/28/4-of-the-five-co-hosts-agree-theres-no-science/198297

 :what

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2014, 06:05:39 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 01, 2014, 05:36:26 PM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/02/28/4-of-the-five-co-hosts-agree-theres-no-science/198297

 :what

It's hilarious that that dumb woman mentions Galileo and his opposition to the "consensus." Here's a hint, lady: Galileo was going against the religious establishment of the day, who said that his work was heretical and went against the teachings of the Bible. And if Galileo was alive today, he'd body-slam you through a table live on SummerSlam.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2014, 06:39:34 PM

I think there's been some evidence that Galileo wasn't persecuted entirely for his CRAZY beliefs on orbits, Copernicus wasn't for example and Bellarmine considered it mathematically sound, but because he was a dick to the Church authorities, defying them, shit talking the Pope, etc. and that was the 17th century version of piling on charges plus getting Capone on taxes.

At least use Marshall and Warren people! This is the 20th century! (And toss in some Feynman.)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2014, 08:18:31 PM

The irony, though, is that these people see themselves as Galileo, fighting against the establishment that's trying to force its view on the rest of the world, not once admitting that so much of their opposition is couched in religious references.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on March 02, 2014, 08:30:59 AM

this is all good really - i mean, now we can have a Muslim place of worship with 10km of Ground Zero now that the Right Wing crusade to bring Religious Freedom to the forefront is in full swing.

Who would have thought that the same set of jackasses behind the Ground Zero Mosque complaints would suddenly be all uppity about Religious Freedoms?! CRAZY! lol

The US needs a "hate" law as per the UK -  anything considered hateful or discriminates on the grounds of race, sexuality, etc can see you prosecuted.
The Westboro douchebags would be facing prison time for their antics if in the UK.

Quote

Should a devout baker be required to create a cake for a homosexual wedding that has a giant phallic symbol on it or should a baker be required to create pastries for a homosexual wedding in the shape of genitallia? Or should a photographer be required to photograph a homosexual wedding where the participants decide they want to be nude or engage in sexual behavior?  Would they force a Jewish photographer to work a Klan or Nazi event? How about forcing a Muslim caterer to work a pork barbeque dinner?

Phallic cake point : if they would make similar cakes for a hetrosexual wedding, then yes - assuming they would not make the cakes on the fact they are possibly offended by that side of it anyways, therefore homosexuality is irrelevant.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 02, 2014, 02:34:00 PM

Lol at forcing JEws to bake cakes for the KKK and Nazis

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2014, 04:56:07 PM

Obama's homo demons are so demonic, brehs.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on March 02, 2014, 06:26:33 PM

Quote

Lol at forcing JEws to bake cakes for the KKK and Nazis

lol - and i bet a good 80% of people hating on homosexuals think the Jews -should-

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2014, 06:31:14 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on March 02, 2014, 08:30:59 AM

The US needs a "hate" law as per the UK -  anything considered hateful or discriminates on the grounds of race, sexuality, etc can see you prosecuted.
The Westboro douchebags would be facing prison time for their antics if in the UK.

howaboutnobear dot jaypeg

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2014, 06:53:18 PM

I greatly dislike the way "anti-Semite" is thrown around, especially in relation to debates on Palestine, and the dick riding our politicians have to do annoys me...but I have no problem with the Jew. They helped make hip hop, brehs.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2014, 07:03:24 PM

ANTI-SEMITE!

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7hdMJEQcfng/T2ICCWsgkHI/AAAAAAAAAlY/TQdXFhoSpZU/s1600/WalterSobchak.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 02, 2014, 07:54:50 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TYZBKqemQrU

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2014, 04:40:48 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/texas-democratic-nomination-kesha-rogers
:dead

My brother used to "debate" her outside our library, which is where the LaRouche folks tend to congregate multiple times a semester; they bus in from Texas and other states.

perhaps using the word "debate" isn't right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYLZP3nOCZE

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2014, 10:43:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeB6qdQdZfU

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2014, 10:53:39 PM

:bow The God-given rights of entrepreneurship given to us by our founding fathers :bow2

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on March 04, 2014, 12:46:45 AM

Quote

"Who do you know who to discriminate against?! They have to tell you!"

Quote

opposed to hate crime - because it's getting into the mind of what whoever perpetrated the crime was thinking at the time

bananasplits.jpg

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2014, 01:24:37 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/colbert_patrick_stewart_parody_obamacare_victims

:rofl

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2014, 09:16:46 PM

Paul Ryan gonna Paul Ryan:

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The Fiscal Times’ Rob Garver, for example, interviewed some of the same economists cited in Ryan’s paper in support of his thesis. Many of the experts “had reactions ranging from bemusement to anger at Ryan’s report, claiming that he either misunderstood or misrepresented their research.”

Ryan’s paper, for example, cited a study published in December by the Columbia Population Research Center measuring the decline in poverty in the U.S. after the implementation of Lyndon Johnson’s “War on Poverty.”
 
One of the study’s authors, Jane Waldfogel, a professor at Columbia University and a visiting scholar at the Russell Sage Foundation, said she was surprised when she read the paper, because it seemed to arbitrarily chop off data from two of the most successful years of the war on poverty.
 
Waldfogel and her colleagues looked at an alternative measure of the poverty rate known as the Supplemental Poverty Measure (SPM), which factors in government benefits like food stamps and programs like the earned-income tax credit. That alternative measure is thought to present a more accurate and realistic gauge of the poverty and the real-world effects of government programs aimed at combatting it.
 
The Columbia researchers found that, using their model of the SPM, the poverty rate fell from 26 percent in 1967 to 15 percent in 2012. Ryan only cites data from 1969 onward, ignoring a full 36 percent of the decline.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/paul-ryans-unfortunate-poverty-report

And what did he say when he was confronted with that?

Quote

Asked about the criticism, a spokesperson for Chairman Ryan said, “We’re glad to hear the report is encouraging a debate on the performance record of federal anti-poverty programs.”

:rofl

The intellectual leader of the Republican party ladies and gentlemen.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 09:23:05 PM

I thought the criticism was always that the "War on Poverty" came after and may have stopped the decline in poverty. So 1967 would be as arbitrary as Ryan's 1969.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Number_in_Poverty_and_Poverty_Rate_1959_to_2011._United_States..PNG)

Quote

Waldfogel told Garver, “It’s technically correct, but it’s an odd way to cite the research. In my experience, usually you use all of the available data. There’s no justification given. It’s unfortunate because it really understates the progress we’ve made in reducing poverty.”

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2014, 09:55:54 PM

Quote

I thought the criticism was always that the "War on Poverty" came after

Came after what?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2014, 09:58:41 PM

you've gotta be deep in the rabbit hole to deny the War on Poverty didn't have success.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 10:06:06 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 04, 2014, 09:55:54 PM

Came after what?

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 09:23:05 PM

came after ... the decline in poverty.

If you extend that graph back to the war it's dropping from like 35-40% until 1969 where it stops. (Which is why I assume Ryan picked 1969 to start from.)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2014, 10:16:56 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 04, 2014, 09:16:46 PM

Quote

Asked about the criticism, a spokesperson for Chairman Ryan said, “We’re glad to hear the report is encouraging a debate on the performance record of federal anti-poverty programs.”

:rofl

The intellectual leader of the Republican party ladies and gentlemen.

Teach the controversy, brehs.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 04, 2014, 10:27:05 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 10:06:06 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 04, 2014, 09:55:54 PM

Came after what?

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 09:23:05 PM

came after ... the decline in poverty.

If you extend that graph back to the war it's dropping from like 35-40% until 1969 where it stops. (Which is why I assume Ryan picked 1969 to start from.)

Oh. I thought they picked 1967 as the starting point cause that's when the War on Poverty...started?

edit: guess it actually started a few years earlier.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2014, 10:27:17 PM

So much for this: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/stockman-mugshot-threat

He lost the primary to Cornyn 63% to 17%.

Quote from: Oblivion on March 04, 2014, 10:27:05 PM

Oh. I thought they picked 1967 as the starting point cause that's when the War on Poverty...started?

Depends on what you pick as the start I suppose, but it's generally considered to be have begun with the legislation in 1964/1965 following Johnson's "Great Society" speeches in 1964.

EDIT: saw your edit after my edit  :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 05, 2014, 12:08:49 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2014, 09:58:41 PM

you've gotta be deep in the rabbit hole to deny the War on Poverty didn't have success.

Word. Like 99% of the "poor" have fridges  and Obamaphones now.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2014, 03:06:23 PM

Back in 2008, a very right-wing acquaintance of mine said "I know you support Obama, but there's a video I'd like you to see" and it turned out to be a Youtube clip narrated by Ben Shapiro (the Jewish Erick Erickson) on how Israel will be overrun and subsumed into a global caliphate if Obama's elected.  When he asked me about it a week later I told him "I think Israel is... more resilient than that guy seems to think."

It was a bit insulting that he thought of me that way.  "I'll tell the Jew about what Obama will do to Israel, that's gotta be the first thing he'll care about!"  But I don't think it was a reflection of his low opinion of me so much as how he views the world.  The driving force behind his politics is antipathy towards immigrants, black folk, Muslims, and anyone he sees as a threat to his own ethnic group (vaguely protestant honkeys), so of course that's how I'd think and everyone else would think as well.

Similarly, I can see why Michelle Bachmann is hurt by other people's lack of enthusiasm for religious wars.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 05, 2014, 03:17:16 PM

Jews, you've let Michelle Bachmann down YET AGAIN. cryingdreidel.jpg

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 05, 2014, 03:51:57 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 05, 2014, 03:27:02 PM

I'm more surprised that people think you can use youtube videos to change a vote.

Hey, if they can start a terrorist uprising, what's one little vote?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on March 05, 2014, 05:15:26 PM

I've seen people get consumed by YouTube conspiracy theorists and evangelists. It's a very convenient and popular format for brainwashing.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 05, 2014, 05:19:03 PM

Yep.  My sister in law's boyfriend and a friend I know went absolutely nutso for zeitgeist.  It spawned a libertarian phase for both of them.  All it takes is ominous music and high school AV club production values to win most people over.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2014, 05:39:34 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2014, 03:06:23 PM

Back in 2008, a very right-wing acquaintance of mine said "I know you support Obama, but there's a video I'd like you to see" and it turned out to be a Youtube clip narrated by Ben Shapiro (the Jewish Erick Erickson) on how Israel will be overrun and subsumed into a global caliphate if Obama's elected.  When he asked me about it a week later I told him "I think Israel is... more resilient than that guy seems to think."

It was a bit insulting that he thought of me that way.  "I'll tell the Jew about what Obama will do to Israel, that's gotta be the first thing he'll care about!"  But I don't think it was a reflection of his low opinion of me so much as how he views the world.  The driving force behind his politics is antipathy towards immigrants, black folk, Muslims, and anyone he sees as a threat to his own ethnic group (vaguely protestant honkeys), so of course that's how I'd think and everyone else would think as well.

Similarly, I can see why Michelle Bachmann is hurt by other people's lack of enthusiasm for religious wars.

You played the reverse anti-Semite card :ohhh

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 05, 2014, 05:41:47 PM

There's also the sad fact that a lot of people on the Right seem to think America now has fundamentally altered relationship with Israel and for instance we've cut them off from any kind of aid.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2014, 06:10:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/0UKMxUv.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 05, 2014, 06:26:17 PM

It's not surprising conservatives would prefer the xbone. They love to command something and it be done no questions asked.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on March 05, 2014, 06:28:48 PM

Not to mention the PS4 is foreign dogshit.  FOREIGN

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 05, 2014, 07:58:33 PM

But Bill Gates supported Obama!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 10:26:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/nOzPygG.png)

This guy.  :neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2014, 10:37:22 AM

finance your livelihood and education with your dead father's social security money, work in the public sector for your entire adult life, and denigrate government benefits brehs... 

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 10:53:11 AM

And just look how empty his soul is! Clearly there's something to this.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2014, 12:02:34 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 06, 2014, 11:59:26 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 10:26:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/nOzPygG.png)

This guy.  :neogaf

The GOP now using Nintard arguments :neogaf .

The GOP is Zelda, full of whimsy and spirit

it's also something you'd probably hear from a Talib Kweli/"real hip hop" fan.  :leon

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 06, 2014, 01:32:35 PM

Starvation creates character

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 06, 2014, 02:41:25 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 10:26:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/nOzPygG.png)

This guy.  :neogaf

This mofo actually thought that was a good line. :rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 02:51:47 PM

Quote

Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) asserted on Thursday that liberals did not understand that kids who got free lunches at school did not have parents who cared about them at home.

Speaking to the Conservative Political Action Conference, the former Republican vice presidential nominee argued that conservatives should let Democrats be the “party of personality,” while “we will be the party of ideas.”

“I’m optimistic about our chances because the left, the left just isn’t out of ideas, they’re out of touch,” he explained. “Take Obamacare — not literally, but figuratively here, okay? We now know that this law will discourage millions of people from working. The left thinks this is a good thing.”

Ryan insisted that liberals were only offering people “a full stomach and an empty soul.”

He then told a story of a “young boy from a very poor family” who received free lunches at school “from a government program.”

“He didn’t want a free lunch,” Ryan insisted. “He wanted his own lunch, one in a brown paper bag, just like the other kids.”

“He wanted one, he said, because he knew a kid with a brown paper bag had someone who cared for him. This is what the left does not understand.”

I can't even with this. :stahp

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 06, 2014, 04:23:18 PM

(http://25.media.tumblr.com/606047f5bb43a2788b3e59873d75be43/tumblr_n1y1308yQo1rg03y2o1_1280.jpg)
Special thanks to Treesong

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on March 06, 2014, 04:37:05 PM

She's british, too, so it's even more :mindblown

https://twitter.com/gemworrallx Also, that group photo. :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 05:09:31 PM

Scary

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 06, 2014, 05:13:00 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/cYYO8.png)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2014, 05:22:45 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 02:51:47 PM

I can't even with this. :stahp

Paul Ryan stole that story from A BOOK! :neogaf

Quote from: http://www.aninvisiblethread.com/about

"Look, Maurice, I don't want you out there hungry on the nights I don't see you, so this is what we can do. I can either give you some money for the week--and you'll have to be really careful about how you spend it--or when you come over on Monday night we can go to the supermarket and I can buy all the things you like to eat and make you lunch for the week. I'll leave it with the doormen, and you can pick it up on the way to school."

Maurice looked at me and asked me a question.

"If you make me lunch," he said, "will you put it in a brown paper bag?"

I didn't really understand the question. "Do you want it in a brown paper bag?" I asked. "Or how would you prefer it?"

"Miss Laura," he said, "I don't want your money. I want my lunch in a brown paper bag."

"Okay, sure. But why do you want it in a bag?"

"Because when I see kids come to school with their lunch in a paper bag, that means someone cares about them. Miss Laura, can I please have my lunch in a paper bag?"

:neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 06, 2014, 05:25:25 PM

another L for my namesake. I thought E3 was the end of it.
:tocry

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2014, 05:29:52 PM

http://www.thenation.com/blog/178717/bernie-sanders-i-am-prepared-run-president-united-states

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 07:27:43 PM

Looking for a CPAC JO bud, tornadoes optional.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2014, 07:32:01 PM

From the CPAC panel on minority outreach:

(http://i.imgur.com/yh0u8FR.jpg)

:neogaf

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on March 06, 2014, 07:39:18 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2014, 07:27:43 PM

Looking for a CPAC JO bud, tornadoes optional.

I'm up for that. No gay shit though.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 06, 2014, 07:40:06 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2014, 07:32:01 PM

From the CPAC panel on minority outreach:

(http://i.imgur.com/yh0u8FR.jpg)

:neogaf

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-523b169e/turbine/la-et-jc-ralph-ellison-invisible-man-banned-no-001/600/372x600)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2014, 07:40:36 PM

Quote

Suddenly, that changed. In fact, as I tweeted the above photo, I had a response from someone who snapped a picture of a much fuller room. That picture was accurate and so was mine. That picture showed a nearly full ballroom, while my picture showed an empty one. So what was the difference?

The difference was that the diversity panel ran over its time. People began filling in—in droves. Why the change of heart? The diversity panel ran late and into the time slot for NRA executive Wayne LaPierre to address CPAC in the same room. LaPierre went on to give a rousing speech that generated some of the loudest enthusiasm of the day from the crowd.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2014, 07:53:59 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wayne-lapierre-cpac

"We know in the world that surrounds us, there are terrorists and there are home invaders, drug cartels, car jackers, and knockout gamers, and rapers and haters and campus killers, airport killers, shopping mall killers, and killers who seek to destroy our country with massive storms of violence against our power grids or vicious waves of chemicals or disease that could collapse our society that sustains us all," NRA President Wayne LaPierre said.

:what

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 06, 2014, 08:04:01 PM

Forget it, he's rolling.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2014, 04:10:44 PM

http://twitter.com/moody/status/442030581631565824/photo/1

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 08, 2014, 01:32:39 AM

:drudge http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/07/obama-flubs-spelling-respect/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/03/07/obama-flubs-spelling-respect/) :drudge

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on March 08, 2014, 10:08:03 AM

Quote

Gary Lyngar: My son is 'dead wrong' about me and Fox News
Mar. 07, 2014 - 6:12 - Father speaks out after son's article claiming he 'lost' his father to Fox News

Yup - best way to prove to your son that you've not been lost to Fox News is to appear on Fox News saying how great Fox News is.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3309288515001/muslim-censors-move-to-ban-noah/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips (http://video.foxnews.com/v/3309288515001/muslim-censors-move-to-ban-noah/?playlist_id=928378949001#sp=show-clips)

hooooooooly shit

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 08, 2014, 10:58:40 AM

Actually that happened to me.  My parents used to watch CNN for news.  To save money, they got a cheaper satellite TV package, which only had Fox News for cable news.  It was interesting how their viewpoints changed on a lot of things over the course of the next several months.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2014, 11:09:06 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on March 08, 2014, 10:08:03 AM

Quote

Gary Lyngar: My son is 'dead wrong' about me and Fox News
Mar. 07, 2014 - 6:12 - Father speaks out after son's article claiming he 'lost' his father to Fox News

Yup - best way to prove to your son that you've not been lost to Fox News is to appear on Fox News saying how great Fox News is.

I like how it starts out pretty normal, like he's trying to prove that he's not some frothing angry old white guy, but by the end it descends into exactly the kind of rhetoric and conspiracy theories you'd expect from someone that watching Fox News. "We're giving away our freedoms so we can get free stuff! The government is forcing everyone to get Obamacare so they can tell us how to live! Obama is banning cigarettes!"

Also, I like how this guy is bragging that "he had Conservatives thoughts from the time he was 15, and they haven't changed any". If you can't look back at some of the political beliefs you had a as a teenager and SMH, then there's probably something wrong with you.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2014, 11:34:53 AM

As a teenager, I was a die-hard conservative who watched Fox News everyday. :-\

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 08, 2014, 12:26:25 PM

I was on that Ron Paul shit just a few years ago!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 08, 2014, 12:29:40 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2014, 11:34:53 AM

As a teenager, I was a die-hard conservative who watched Fox News everyday. :-\

and then Cesar Millan changed your life

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2014, 12:32:19 PM

Quote from: Spencer on March 08, 2014, 12:26:25 PM

I was on that Ron Paul shit just a few years ago!

 :ufup  :paul

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 08, 2014, 12:53:12 PM

I was young, white, constantly high and under informed. Of course it sounded like a good idea at the time!

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 08, 2014, 01:09:49 PM

I just recently realized that Penn & Teller are libertarians and work at the Cato Institute

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2014, 01:13:16 PM

Quote from: helios on March 08, 2014, 01:09:49 PM

I just recently realized that Penn & Teller are libertarians and work at the Cato Institute

It's something that everyone realizes one day, helios. Some of us take longer than others, but we all realize it eventually...

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 08, 2014, 01:16:24 PM

It'd be even worse if they were sovereign citizens

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 01:54:00 PM

I'm black, so I've been on the plantation of liberalism for some time now.
 :obama

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 08, 2014, 02:39:57 PM

I keep telling you, we can make a black conservative star out of you.  I know plenty of angry white folks and Mandark can provide the rest.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2014, 02:42:18 PM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/03/08/foxs-ben-carson-at-cpac-gays-should-have-the-sa/198414

 :hitler

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 08, 2014, 02:45:12 PM

What extra rights are gays trying to get?

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 02:51:08 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 08, 2014, 02:39:57 PM

I keep telling you, we can make a black conservative star out of you.  I know plenty of angry white folks and Mandark can provide the rest.

I should create a pseudonym and release an ebook on Amazon.

Bamboozled: How Obama & Liberals Redefined Slavery for The 21st Century, by Darius Xavier.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 08, 2014, 03:02:07 PM

Black Michigander from a religious background who dabbled in liberalism?

I smell a congressional seat  :aah

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 08, 2014, 03:12:50 PM

That's a long slog though.  I'm thinking some Allen West batshittery mixed in with some Thomas Sowell "common sense"/condescending paternalism.  We could have PD on Fox News in a few weeks.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 08, 2014, 03:17:27 PM

PD should say Strom Thurmond is his hero

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2014, 03:20:21 PM

Just for one, two terms max tho- then you gotta hit that lecture circuit and the think tanks, breh

 :whoo

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2014, 03:37:49 PM

Honestly, I've thought about creating some fake right-wing website to peddle the usual Benghazi-like bullshit. Wingnuts are a great source of income. The only thing stopping me is that I don't know if I'd be able to sleep easy after that.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Well, that and I'm also really fucking lazy.

[close]

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2014, 04:22:51 PM

"Conservatives believe that every person is capable of the dignity of work and self-sufficiency, while liberals think that blacks and other minorities can't survive without government handouts, or find work without government-enforced racial quotas.  And just as white liberals don't expect black men to be capable of doing a job, they've applied the lowered standards of affirmative action to a black president, defending him as he turns the United States into a welfare recipient, and re-electing him as he plays the knockout game with our international reputation."

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2014, 04:23:27 PM

I want to legally change my name to Biff Kommieslayer, move to a Republican's district and run against them from the far, far right fringe. Like, publicly advocate killing poor people and busing the elderly to the desert to drop them off in lieu of medicare/ss. I'd throw big campaign events with lots of hot, skanky chicks with tattoos in bikinis, and a whole shit ton of free beer.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2014, 04:24:35 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 02:51:08 PM

I should create a pseudonym and release an ebook on Amazon.

Bamboozled: How Obama & Liberals Redefined Slavery for The 21st Century, by Darius Xavier.

Too late:
(http://i.imgur.com/jjAOpM7.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IJL3eip.jpg)

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 04:35:52 PM

no fucking way  :lol

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 08, 2014, 04:39:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 08, 2014, 04:22:51 PM

"Conservatives believe that every person is capable of the dignity of work and self-sufficiency, while liberals think that blacks and other minorities can't survive without government handouts, or find work without government-enforced racial quotas.  And just as white liberals don't expect black men to be capable of doing a job, they've applied the lowered standards of affirmative action to a black president, defending him as he turns the United States into a welfare recipient, and re-electing him as he plays the knockout game with our international reputation."

Need to add in "I've seen with my own in my community how the welfare state treats African-American families" and we're good to go

Holy shit "the government plantation"

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 08, 2014, 04:41:07 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 04:35:52 PM

no fucking way  :lol

Don't tell me you're surprised. 

I used to joke all the time that if the government offered people free wheelchairs for people who couldn't watch, conservatives would bitch that it would provide an incentive for people to break their legs.

And guess what?

Some idiot congressman made essentially that same argument! :punch

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 08, 2014, 04:49:14 PM

Sheeeeeit, "the government plantation" is semi-standard rhetoric once you get far out enough on the right.  174k hits on Google, and it's not all reposts about a single quote or anything like that.  Gonna fit right in, Darius.



...also, I expect at any point now, Am I Anonymous is going to pop into the thread and tell us we're all finally making sense.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 04:56:23 PM

I look forward to holding my first Support For Israel fundraiser, hosted by Contra's anti-Palestinian friend and that acquaintance of Mandark's.

"Blacks and Jews have a lot of in common. Just as the Jews were persecuted by an African dictator in Egypt, today blacks are persecuted by an African dictator in America. Excuse me for not being politically correct, and I'm sure the liberal media will pile on me, but I love this country too much to let a dictator destroy this beautiful country. Let my people go, Obama."

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2014, 05:34:19 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 08, 2014, 03:37:49 PM

Honestly, I've thought about creating some fake right-wing website to peddle the usual Benghazi-like bullshit. Wingnuts are a great source of income. The only thing stopping me is that I don't know if I'd be able to sleep easy after that.

Don't worry, I've got that part of it covered. We'll secretly funnel a portion of the money we raise to liberal groups.

Title: Re: HOBOKENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on March 08, 2014, 11:41:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2014, 04:56:23 PM

I look forward to holding my first Support For Israel fundraiser, hosted by Contra's anti-Palestinian friend and that acquaintance of Mandark's.

"Blacks and Jews have a lot of in common. Just as the Jews were persecuted by an African dictator in Egypt, today blacks are persecuted by an African dictator in America. Excuse me for not being politically correct, and I'm sure the liberal media will pile on me, but I love this country too much to let a dictator destroy this beautiful country. Let my people go, Obama."

:neogaf

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2014, 11:54:36 PM

Quote

"I do not like this Uncle Sam. I do not like his health care scam," she began, to big applause. "I do not like these dirty crooks, or how they lie and cook the books. I do not like when Congress steals. I do not like their crony deals. I do not like this spying, man. I do not like 'Oh yes we can.'"

"I do not like this kind of hope, and we won't take it - nope, nope, nope," she finished.

The big crowd, hanging on her every word, eventually erupted into chants of "Run, Sarah, Run!"

"I should. I didn't get to run this morning. I was so busy, man," she said to big laughs.

:usacry :seusscry

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2014, 12:47:20 AM

I feel like she doesn't understand what Green Eggs and Ham is about.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2014, 01:47:11 AM

Best thread title in ages.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2014, 03:39:13 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2PfwaNX_oQ

Quote

CPAC 2014 straw poll results:
31     KY Senator Rand Paul
11     TX Senator Ted Cruz
9       Neurosurgeon Ben Carson
8       NJ Governor Chris Christie
7       Former PA Senator Rick Santorum
7       WI Governor Scott Walker
6       FL Senator Marco Rubio
3       TX Governor Rick Perry
3       WI Congressman Paul Ryan
2       Former AR Governor Mike Huckabee
2       LA Governor Bobby Jindal
2       Former AK Governor Sarah Palin
2       Former Sec. of State Condoleezza Rice
1       Former IN Governor Mitch Daniels
1       OH Governor John Kasich
1       IN Governor Mike Pence
1       OH Senator Rob Portman
1       SD Senator John Thune
1       Business Executive Donald Trump
1       Former FL Congressman Allen West
*       NH Senator Kelly Ayotte
*       KS Governor Sam Brownback
*       SC Governor Nikki Haley
*       NM Governor Susana Martinez
*       SC Senator Tim Scott

Quote

The poll also asked attendees their views on a series of issues, and their answers highlighted how libertarian this year’s crowd is:
• Forty-one percent said marijuana should be legalized for recreational purposes, 21 percent said it should legalized only for medicinal purposes and 31 percent said the drug should remain illegal.

Quote

(( DRUDGE POLL )))
RAND PAUL  30.71%  (53,587 votes)
TED CRUZ  28.81%  (50,275 votes)
OTHER  6.88%  (12,003 votes)
JEB BUSH  6.19%  (10,801 votes)
SARAH PALIN  5.12%  (8,935 votes)
CHRIS CHRISTIE  4.79%  (8,360 votes)
RICK PERRY  4.51%  (7,868 votes)
MIKE HUCKABEE  3.7%  (6,464 votes)
PAUL RYAN  3.6%  (6,279 votes)
BOBBY JINDAL  2.94%  (5,133 votes)
DONALD TRUMP  1.84%  (3,213 votes)
RICK SANTORUM  0.91%  (1,584 votes)

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/200264-is-ben-carson-2016s-sleeper-candidate

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2014, 06:11:05 AM

Dr. Seuss loved him some New Deal, and was probably pro-abortion too (at least he was opposed to anti-abortion peeps using his stuff).  :P

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2014, 07:06:53 AM

Poll is shit, Putin isn't an option.

(http://i.imgur.com/DFSqOWd.jpg)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2014, 11:24:42 AM

The funny thing about that poll is that no matter how hard Santorum tries, the base just doesn't love him. He is always out there fighting gay marriage, raising money for candidates, promoting homeschooling, etc yet nothing is good enough. Usually the guy in second place last time becomes a front runner. I get the impression even conservatives know Santorum's anger and hatred is just not appealing.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2014, 11:34:11 AM

These CPAC polls are useless. Didn't Papa Paul used to win them all the time too? They mean fuck all. One of two things will happen- the base will get their crazy choice this time (Cruz, Huck, Santorum) or it will be some boring ass Scott Walker fucker. Either way, they're going to get eaten alive by Hillary.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 09, 2014, 01:17:46 PM

I can only stand a few second of the tardsplosion that is the 5.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2014, 03:28:26 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 09, 2014, 11:34:11 AM

These CPAC polls are useless. Didn't Papa Paul used to win them all the time too? They mean fuck all. One of two things will happen- the base will get their crazy choice this time (Cruz, Huck, Santorum) or it will be some boring ass Scott Walker fucker. Either way, they're going to get eaten alive by Hillary.

I'm gonna LOL so hard if it's Romney again.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 06:13:07 AM

https://twitter.com/Matthops82/status/442691773907730432/photo/1

annihilated

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2014, 09:05:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 06:13:07 AM

https://twitter.com/Matthops82/status/442691773907730432/photo/1

annihilated

I'd say that pretty much destroyed Obama's chances of being re-elected. :smug

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2014, 09:22:29 AM

https://twitter.com/BruceBartlett/status/442639858193162240

I'm stealing that line for the future.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on March 10, 2014, 09:25:29 AM

I want a democratic female president so bad because it would just be too good of a poke in the eye of conservative blowhards.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 07:09:20 PM

Not so fast!

1. Benghazi.
2. Benghazi.
3. Travelgate.
4. Lesbianism.
5. Benghazi.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 07:31:52 PM

(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2014/03/FT_14.03.10_GayMarriageRepublican1.png)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on March 10, 2014, 07:32:41 PM

Old people mad.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 10, 2014, 07:37:59 PM

Old republicans mad

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2014, 07:55:17 PM

 :umad

I guess Obama will get credit for the gayness boom, just as Clinton got credit for the dot.com boom. That's my gay black president :tocry

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 08:07:50 PM

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The Minnesota congresswoman told talk show host Lars Larson in an interview at CPAC that the gay community distorted the Arizona bill by making it about gay rights — even though the bill’s sponsor himself said it was about same-sex marriage.

“There’s nothing about gays in there, but the gay community decided to make this their measure,” Bachmann said. “And the thing that I think is getting a little tiresome is the gay community have so bullied the American people and they have so intimidated politicians that politicians fear them and they think they get to dictate the agenda everywhere.”

Maybe it's time for the American people to bully the gay community back?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 08:09:49 PM

(http://adamcarolla.com/wp-content/gallery/2013-02-11-ben-shapiro/01-bullies.jpg)(http://www.truthrevolt.org/sites/default/files/styles/book_cover_small/public/field/image/ebooks/bs-90w.jpg)

 :bow Ben Shapiro  :bow2

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 10, 2014, 09:31:19 PM

I wanna pee in his mouth

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2014, 09:48:14 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 06:13:07 AM

https://twitter.com/Matthops82/status/442691773907730432/photo/1

annihilated

I don't get this. Is it supposed to be Obama doesn't know how to spell "respect"? And even if that was the case, why is it his fault that the dude who's in charge of putting up the letters fucked up?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2014, 09:54:22 PM

we never got to see his transcripts....

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 10:04:52 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 10, 2014, 09:48:14 PM

I don't get this. Is it supposed to be Obama doesn't know how to spell "respect"? And even if that was the case, why is it his fault that the dude who's in charge of putting up the letters fucked up?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCDG0IkY2Gg

Quote

Samzilla 2 days ago
 And the audience laughs as if it's ok for your president to misspell a word such as RESPECT. Ha, great representation of our nation. 

marto880 1 day ago
 Just one more reason I have **NO RESPECT** for this farce!!! It's easy for "O" to hate the USA because he isn't a US citizen, it's ok if he **DISRESPECTS** the USA because USA isn't in his vocabulary either, Obamaville is though. He probably isn't aware that he misspelled anything, he doesn't understand English, he's more fond of the Latino language. LOL

Ken Doe 3 days ago
 What do you expect from a dumb Africoon, oh did I misspell something???

fifabeastJT 2 days ago
 This is why all of Eu and Russia laugh at us.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2014, 10:12:20 PM

Huh. Guess that proves that Sarah Palin is the smarter of the two after all. :usacry

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2014, 10:20:36 PM

Well, she did get out of office and into something a little more lucrative...

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 10, 2014, 10:25:39 PM

She also went to 5 colleges as opposed to a pitiful 2 like Obama did. :neogaf

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2014, 11:26:12 PM

Africoon
:dead

Just when I was certain nothing could possible 1up "dune coon"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2014, 12:06:28 AM

I'm liking this Ben-Shapiro-every-couple-pages trend.  I think next up should be his views on premarital sex.

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This is serious, btw.  If we're going to be picking out particularly dumb/un-self-aware pundits and operatives, we could do a lot worse than just going back to the Shapiro well over and over.  Guy's almost impressive.

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Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 12:50:37 AM

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/shapiro-how-debate-leftist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9npUXVx2pg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YezvbjwwWlA

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The goal of the debate will not be to win over the leftist, or to convince him or her, or to be friends with him or her. That person already disagrees with you, and they're not going to be convinced by your words of wisdom and your sparkling rhetorical flourishes. The goal will be to destroy the leftist in as public a way as is humanly possible.

...

Rule #1: "Walk Toward the Fire." According to Shapiro, conservatives must learn to "embrace the fight" and know that they will be attacked, because this is war. His advice is simple: "You have to take the punch, you have to brush it off. You have to be willing to take the punch."
Rule #2: "Hit First. Don't take the punch first." Rule number two is: ignore rule number one, if their punch is coming first. Hit first, then brush it off. Just like Gandhi always said.
Rule #3: "Frame Your Opponent." Your leftist opponent will, according to Shapiro, call you a racist and a sexist, so in response call them a "liar and a hater." This third rule is described as "the vital first step. It is the only first step." That's why it comes third.
Rule #3: "Frame the debate."
Rule #4: "Spot Inconsistencies in the Left's Arguments."
Rule #5: "Force Leftists to Answer Questions. This is really just a corollary of Rule #4."
Rule #6: "Do Not Get Distracted."
Rule #7: "You Don't Have To Defend People on Your Side."
Rule #8: "If You Don't Know Something, Admit It."
Rule #9: "Let The Other Side Have Meaningless Victories."
Rule #10: "Body Language Matters."

YOU GUYS ARE ALREADY DEAD NOW

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 12:51:26 AM

Oops:

Quote from: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 12:50:37 AM

YOU GUYS LIARS AND HATERS ARE ALREADY DEAD NOW

Fixed.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2014, 01:05:21 AM

I'm almost afraid to ask but what are his views on pre marital sex? My google searches dwell on his gay marriage comments, especially about the Grammys.

I often find myself sitting back and realizing that just a few years ago Shapiro, Breitbart and others were sitting pretty lampooning France, laughing at Olbermann, declaring gay marriage DOA, and killing Bush's immigration push. The changing of the political climate has been pretty impressive, and isn't going away thanks to demographics.

I can't tell whether Shapiro knows he's fighting a long defeat, whether he's on the "expand the white vote" bandwagon, or whether he doesn't give a shit and just wants to incite as much chaos as possible.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2014, 01:06:46 AM

Ask and ye shall receive! (http://townhall.com/columnists/benshapiro/2005/06/15/rescuing_a_generation/page/full)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 01:12:55 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2014, 01:05:21 AM

I'm almost afraid to ask but what are his views on pre marital sex? My google searches dwell on his gay marriage comments, especially about the Grammys.

http://books.google.com/books?id=58tB-2KjALgC&q=virgins

EDIT: Oh, and this is the book he wrote at age 21.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2014, 01:14:13 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2014, 01:05:21 AM

I often find myself sitting back and realizing that just a few years ago Shapiro, Breitbart and others were sitting pretty lampooning France, laughing at Olbermann, declaring gay marriage DOA, and killing Bush's immigration push.

And now Breitbart's dead!  Just goes to show ya.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2014, 01:16:11 AM

Thankfully, Breitbart didn't have to live to see the day when America became overrun by Leftists and homogays. :usacry

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 01:19:43 AM

Quote from: Ben Shapiro

Together, we can restore America's innocence.

yessssss

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2014, 01:35:57 AM

I'm pretty sure he copy pasted Daily Kos comments at the beginning of that article. Quite an impressive "you don't have to take my word for it" demonstration.

On one hand I want to give him a pass because I remember my hardcore Christian phase (my AOL handle was once Cannon4Christ87). But I was a teen, not a grown ass man. Even at my worst all I did was troll Jehova's Witnesses, stan P.O.D, and explain why Narnia was better than Dragonlance based on moral reasons.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 01:40:44 AM

The thing I really like about his "Bullies" explanations in those videos, especially the interview one, is basically his argument starts out that the left doesn't actually discuss facts or policy or really even debate they just call you a racist or whatever. Which is okay, nothing new there, Rush Limbaugh's probably made that argument a thousand times or more. But Shapiro's "answer" is to just call them "thugs" or "liars" back or go "no, you're the real racist for bringing up race!" And that this is the only way to fight back and make sure his side wins because this is how the left wins debates.

There's basically no "well, that's just the way they are but conservatives should be better" aspect to it, he's more or less just saying "welp, you gotta be worse then they are!"

In that interview he literally says that to deny being a racist or any other charge is conceding the ground to the left so ignore it and just call them a thug back.

It's an extended excuse for why he just wants to insult people instead of bother to attempt making arguments.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2014, 02:02:26 AM

The key to arguing with someone in real life (or on social media) who has strongly held political beliefs is to NEVER DO IT unless maybe they're under a certain age.  After that, people are set in their ways.  From there you just gauge how much you'll be forced to interact with the person and how best to drop the hint that you aren't interested in hearing about the latest chain emails they received.

Last time I broke this rule was shortly after the George Zimmerman verdict.  A guy I already didn't care for was spouting the standard racist stuff that was going around at the time, and I wound up getting in his face.  As in literally invading his personal space and berating him loudly until he couldn't make eye contact or complete a coherent sentence.  Story sounds better when I include that he's 80 lbs heavier than me, but then I'd be obligated to admit that it's all fat and this guy wouldn't throw rice at a wedding.  It was just me losing my composure, but I don't really regret it.  Fuck that noise.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 02:58:40 AM

I guess I'm just weird*. I can't recall the last time I got upset let alone angry with a view or over an argument and I don't really see the value that people get out of the Impotent Rage™ where they're raving with insults and such at the ones who disagree.

I mean, I'm sure I have, especially probably while drunk or after being attacked personally, but I can't remember anything in years. If you've got the time I could probably list like a billion times where people are angry and raving at me though. (Like the poor Kurd in grad school who I managed to get arguing that Saddam massacring his people was morally right. At least he didn't it take it too personally...for too long.)

But what does Shapiro get out of calling some leftist a thug and liar and hater and so on? I don't understand what's in it for him. (Other than financial interests obviously.) Or people on GAF or Reason or YouTube or National Review or HuffPo Super Users or WaPo readers or whoever that's practically frothing at the keyboard in anger at Obama or Palin or Pelosi or Boehner or Iwata or J Allard. (Or say, my racist Uncle who just recently discovered InfoWars!) Maybe I just can't imagine being that consumed with rage over a disagreement in opinion. Even if the other person is promoting oral sex and keeping lists of the men they performed it on, the easy disease ridden harlot.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*Okay, no guess about it.

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Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on March 11, 2014, 03:08:26 AM

Or maybe you're just more cool headed. I have a friend like you. Every argument/discussion we've ever had he's never 100% serious even when he's espousing an opinion he truly holds. He just doesn't get angry at least in our social circle.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on March 11, 2014, 08:47:51 AM

If Obama has proven anything it's that a lifelong Democrat has no problem suddenly becoming a Republican or vote third party. It's because if the issues, you see.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2014, 09:18:15 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 11, 2014, 01:14:13 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2014, 01:05:21 AM

I often find myself sitting back and realizing that just a few years ago Shapiro, Breitbart and others were sitting pretty lampooning France, laughing at Olbermann, declaring gay marriage DOA, and killing Bush's immigration push.

And now Breitbart's dead!  Just goes to show ya.

And his killers walk free. :maf

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2014, 09:26:34 AM

The book should be called Ben Shapiro: Great Examples of the Rights Projection - How to use your racism and sexism to make it sound like your opponent is racist and sexist.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2014, 10:29:13 AM

I rarely argue about any political issue, whoever when I do I just calmly prod. Most recently on healthcare. I know someone who tried to declare the law a failure because "there are 300 million people in the US and only 3 million have Obamacare LOL." Well after explaining the law is aimed at people without insurance I at least got her to move to the "there are 30 million people in the US without insurance and only 3 million have Obamacare LOL" goal post. Needless to say she didn't believe there are actually more than 30mil without insurance, and that more than 3 million people have Obamacare plans (private or Medicaid).

Isn't it like 10-12mil so far? Although I suppose one could argue that a lot of the Medicaid numbers are inflated due to people simply renewing existing Medicaid coverage. Still, the spike in Medicaid enrollees is no coincidence.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2014, 10:47:23 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIrGNqciE0w

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2014, 11:58:49 AM

Quote

CBS investigative reporter Sharyl Attkisson on Monday announced her decision to resign from the network before the end of her contract.

According to Politico, Attkisson had "grown frustrated with what she saw as the network's liberal bias."

:sabu

Quote

Attkisson provided details on her forthcoming book about her struggles with the Obama administration, which she revealed hasn't been "written yet." At least now she finally knows how it ends.

:sabu :sabu

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2014, 12:51:58 PM

Days after bragging about how Conservatives are an intellectual movement, now she's considering whether RICO charges can be filed against people that say mean things about the Koch Bros. (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bachmann-thank-god-koch-brothers)

Quote

I just thank God that there’s a billionaire or two on our side. All the billionaires seem to be on the radical left, so I’m glad that we have a couple on ours. I hope we get a few more that are willing that come out but realize also this is an intimidation movement, I’m sure that the donors on our side don’t like to have their names vilified and that’s what this is about, intimidating people from giving money to our cause, that’s it. There’s something called the RICO statute, the racketeering law, that should be applied against them for doing this.

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k37/maschido/michael-jordan-lol.gif)

I can't imagine why billionaire donors don't want their names associated with people like Michelle Bachmann.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2014, 01:00:23 PM

Quote

All the billionaires seem to be on the radical left

:sabu

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2014, 01:17:13 PM

Goodyear should have been at CPAC. With the amount of hot air coming out of there, they would have all they need to fill their blimp for the next college football season.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2014, 05:36:58 PM

Well, it's certainly uplifting to learn a Congresswoman understands RICO so well.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 12, 2014, 08:57:14 AM

Traditional media is catching MAD FEELS about Obama not just ignoring them, but doing an end run around them to more effectively communicate with people

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/03/11/barack-obama-the-worlds-most-famous-social-media-editor/

DAT SALT.

Hurry up and die, you irrelevant, self-important dinosaurs.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2014, 12:19:15 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-inner-city-men-poverty

“We have got this tailspin of culture, in our inner cities in particular, of men not working and just generations of men not even thinking about working or learning the value and the culture of work, and so there is a real culture problem here that has to be dealt with," he said on Bill Bennett's "Morning In America," as recorded by Think Progress.

In discussing inner city culture, Ryan referenced Charles Murray, a social scientist who has claimed that, "One reason that we still have poverty in the United States is that a lot of poor people are born lazy."

 :hitler

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2014, 12:49:34 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijQIJAK0NFA

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 13, 2014, 01:19:01 AM

Jon Stewart's interview with Andrew Napolitano was awesome. According to Napolitano, basically:

- Having a war over taxes: good
- Having a war over slavery: bad*

*Unless you're on the side supporting slavery

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on March 13, 2014, 02:30:19 AM

Quote

Now, compare those appearances to the number of times Obama has sat down with more "traditional" media outlets.  The last time the Washington Post had an interview with Obama was in December 2009.  The last time the New York Times had one was July 2013.
The conclusion?

... bid old media douche pools like the New York Times are now longer relevant?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2014, 09:24:03 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on March 13, 2014, 02:30:19 AM

Quote

Now, compare those appearances to the number of times Obama has sat down with more "traditional" media outlets.  The last time the Washington Post had an interview with Obama was in December 2009.  The last time the New York Times had one was July 2013.
The conclusion?

... bid old media douche pools like the New York Times are now longer relevant?

Broadcast television, 24-hour cable news, and print media are increasingly the haven of old people [i.e. the Republican base].

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2014, 10:32:45 AM

Some nightmare fuel for breakfast:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrdTX8m5G98

McConnell is a hard man to look directly at. When you see him from the side it's not too bad, but when he stares into the camera and smiles creepily....  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2014, 10:36:37 AM

I think there were only two non-white people in that entire ad and one of them was Mitch's wife.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 13, 2014, 01:17:14 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrPIne2AGzQ

(http://i41.tinypic.com/2vs17yc.jpg)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2014, 04:51:03 PM

http://prospect.org/article/ezra-kleins-queer-new-hire
http://americablog.com/2014/03/hipster-homophobia-ezra-klein-hires-jerry-falwell-loving-gay-bashing-gay-vox.html

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23-year-old graduate of Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, Ambrosino has earned his name as a journalist—and his coveted spot at Vox Media—by being the gay writer who comes to the defense of gay-rights antagonists. He most recently stirred up a storm by proclaiming, at The New Republic, that homosexuality is a choice and that he has chosen to be gay. Time magazine gave him space to call gays the real bigots for piling on Duck Dynasty's Phil Robertson, who had equated homosexuality with bestiality and said gays weren't going to heaven (still, Ambrosino says he wouldn't mind going fishing with the guy). At The Atlantic, Ambrosino threw his hat in the ring for the founder of his alma mater, who blamed September 11 on gays and accused them of trying to "recruit" children; Ambrosino says liberals like Bill Maher have slandered the Moral Majority founder and says, in Falwell's defense, that the guy with the "big fat smile" probably wouldn't have had him stoned to death if he'd known about Ambrosino's sexuality. Ambrosino also defends the views of ex-gay therapists and same-sex marriage opponents, whom he says aren't motivated by bigotry. In The Baltimore Sun, Ambrosino went after the guys in "butt-less chaps and high-heels" at gay-pride marches who earn society's prejudice with their "hypersexual antics": “I think there is a subversive power in living out my gay life in a way that seeks to emphasize the common ground I share with straight communities,” he wrote. “I don't want to participate in an event that seeks to highlight how countercultural I am.” Unsurprisingly, the religious right has been thrilled to find an acolyte among the fallen.

...

So the big question: Why has a string of editors, culminating with Klein, given this guy a platform? In an interview on Wednesday evening, Klein told me he hadn't read the pieces that had kicked up so much dust before bringing Ambrosino on but did so once he began facing criticism for the hire. “I don’t want to pretend that I have the context and the background to perfectly or authoritatively judge this debate," Klein said. "But when I read his pieces, I didn’t come away with the impression that he holds an iota of homophobia.” “Homophobia”—which activists too often use as shorthand to describe anti-gay views that don’t necessarily stem from fear—may be the wrong word for it. But even a cursory read through Ambrosino's writings should raise red flags. Klein, though, seems mystified by the blowback. He acknowledges that he is new to the process of staffing an enterprise like Vox. “I gotta be honest,” he said. “With a lot of this stuff, I’m trying to figure out what success means.”

:shaq

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2014, 05:09:07 PM

Klein should have hired Mandark to do google background checks for all potential employees.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2014, 05:24:37 PM

I really like how it's almost literally being Polygon: Politics Edition.

Just wish they had done a trailer for a documentary. :fbm

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on March 13, 2014, 11:59:46 PM

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most recently stirred up a storm by proclaiming, at The New Republic, that homosexuality is a choice and that he has chosen to be gay.

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

get
the
hell
out
of
here

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“Homophobia”—which activists too often use as shorthand to describe anti-gay views

... lol

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2014, 01:43:01 AM

Ezra Klein is, I'm sure, a nice guy... but he's obviously afflicted by the problem that so many "intellectual" types suffer from: they like "interesting" and "smart" people who have contrarian views. The worst example of this is obviously Andrew Sullivan, with too many examples to mention, really.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 03:37:24 AM

Feel absolutely free to dismiss this for obvious reasons as uninformed and jealous bias but I've never understood why Ezra Klein even is a thing. Or why you would give him millions of dollars to run anything. Best I can tell about him, Yglesias, etc. is that they're highly considered merely because they write a lot. Klein seems to almost believe anything anybody with a certain authority tells him and is relentlessly positive about how everything is going to be great because of [X] with not even basic levels of skepticism. Yglesias somehow became a business and economics writer despite having barely any semblance of mainstream or Kenyesian economics understanding (let alone the 100% accurate Austrian model), and absolutely no knowledge about businesses or how they operate in any manner that he displayed quite regularly on Slate. (And I'm still convinced most of his entries there are just him bitching about his day but trying to connect it to something so he can post it.) Annie Lowrey is a secret favorite because when your background is in American literature it makes perfect sense to make you a lead economic policy reporter.

I mean, I get a similar vibe about Chris Hayes from his show, but he's at least been an actual editor for a while so he probably at least knows how to run/staff/organize a neo-newsmagazine.

To throw out some faux-fairness, I don't "get" Nick Gillespie or Meghan McArdle or like fifteen others either. I only read McArdle's blog when it was on The Atlantic because the comments were a semi-decent forum where basically her posts were just setting the "topic" to be discussed more or less. One of my favorites were a series where she basically argued that the Wall Street ballouts were necessary and needed and great because despite her mild-libertarian philosophy and all her supporting data her friends might lose their jobs so no price for the taxpayer was too high to save the firms.

Though I hear some of them, especially Ezra, are just fantastic at working the circuit.

And "wonk" is still the stupidest thing ever conceived. I take back my post from a couple pages ago because I do remember rising impotent rage when someone doing an IR undergrad degree described themselves as a "foreign policy wonk" in person. They looked like such a normal human being from a distance.

/getoffmylawn

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2014, 03:44:00 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 03:37:24 AM

Feel absolutely free to dismiss this for obvious reasons as uninformed and jealous bias but I've never understood why Ezra Klein even is a thing.

The market. :smug

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 03:44:29 AM

Actually, here's a better metaphor for how these "wonks" seem to me. You know when you're reading a forum argument and it's beyond obvious that the person has skimmed the wikipedia article and maybe the second result from a Google search and is just digging themselves deeper off that? The way I feel reading these "wonks" would be the journalist equivalent, only instead of just pulling up wikipedia they also fire off a message to somebody they know at a think tank or Senate office who sends them the stuff. (Or the ones without connections just pull up CAP or Cato or Heritage and type in "oil policy" or something.)

TL;DR version: I should have gotten in on this racket.  :fbm

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2014, 03:48:06 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 03:44:29 AM

Actually, here's a better metaphor for how these "wonks" seem to me. You know when you're reading a forum argument and it's beyond obvious that the person has skimmed the wikipedia article and maybe the second result from a Google search and is just digging themselves deeper off that?

And you wanted to know why I snarked when you were spouting off about certificates of need.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 04:12:25 AM

You're more than welcome to know that or not and I encourage you to help keep up me honest and upright but certificates of need are one of those things that like asset forfeiture, licensing cartels, eminent domain, drug criminalization, etc. where I can't imagine someone not finding it more and more ludicrous the more and more they research it. Even if they are a huge fan of state backed monopolies. Though of that short list I'd probably put it third, it does have the advantage like asset forfeiture procedures of where if you talk about it people think you're making it up. "The government does not charge cars with crimes hundreds of times a year! You're nuts!"

As for Ezra and co's place in the market, I get why they're a thing in the broader pundit market but I don't get why they're a thing in the journalists circles.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2014, 04:16:34 AM

The main reason Klein and Yglesias are fairly big in the online punditry game is that they got into it at the right time.  Same as Josh Marshall, Kevin Drum, McArdle, Glenn Reynolds, etc.  Granted, some seem to have a better knack for building their brands than others (Marshall and Klein in particular), but they all got pretty lucky by becoming widely read back when you could build your name by just setting up a blogspot account and opining on shit three to fives times daily.  That career path is pretty much done.

Yglesias and Klein were both pretty good at immediately spotting the flaws in really dumb arguments and explaining those flaws concisely.  If you can't see for yourself why Kathryn Jean Lopez is wrong, that can be useful.  But I didn't get much from either of them, and never read either regularly.  My shit back in the day was Juan Cole, Brad DeLong, and The Poor Man.

I do think there's some value in the "wonk" blogging/journalism stuff.  It's not that it's a truth being handed down from on high by our technocratic philosopher-kings, but it's a break from traditional political coverage in that it 1) actually focuses on how laws and policies are going to affect people's lives, and 2) it gives us a window into at least part of the thought process behind those policies.  If someone's being too credulous about how miraculous some initiative or other is going to be, someone can just wonkblog 'em right back, and explain how it's all going to be a pottage of unintended consequences.  There's always the danger of people just parroting Cass Sunstein and getting too TED talk-y, but it at least offers some possibilities that horse-race journalism didn't have.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 04:54:21 AM

I can't even remember the last time I've seen anything from Kathryn Jean Lopez that wasn't about the destruction of our Christian society by gays/courts or how Mitt Romney is the greatest human being ever. I wonder if this is literally 100% of her content produced 2007-2013. Though I admittingly gave up on what little I read of The Corner when it seemed like 50% of their content had become about gay marriage and abortion and the rest was about how no no no no Johm McCain isn't a liberal RINO, he's a WAR HERO. REAGAN FOOTSOLDIER. WAR HERO. WAR HERRRRROOOOOOO.

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2014, 04:16:34 AM

1) actually focuses on how laws and policies are going to affect people's lives, and 2) it gives us a window into at least part of the thought process behind those policies

It's probably my viewpoint* but I guess I don't see it doing the former and doing the latter in an unintentional manner. "CBO says policy will create 3 billion jobs and increase productivity 3% while CAP report says it will lower taxi cab fares by $400 per solar cycle, FACTPWNED" and it's twisted and fit and rarely revisited because it's onto the next "hard data" that tells the readers what they wanted to hear about the next great thing.

I'm probably just butthurt about any of these people being considered experts on anything because it's so far outside my grasp of why anyone would consider them so after spending any time reading them. Everybody despises the old timey pundits but people actually seem to like this crop and phrases are used like "serious" and "thoughtful" and "context" and "explanatory journalism"  :yuck

*Should fairly note here that I'm not speaking of just my anarchist-libertarian frothings, but also my academic political science experience. Which forms a particularly noxious brew regarding "wonkery."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2014, 05:17:10 AM

Yeah, but you also like Mickey Kaus, so it's maybe just you have... unique tastes in punditry.

I don't read Wonkblog or whatever they're calling it, so I can't speak to how it's practiced over there, but I remember Elizabeth Warren's posts on the bankruptcy bill at TPM before she was a rock star, explaining (from a liberal perspective) the important features of the bill, the context of bankruptcy in America, and its likely effects.  That was shit that traditional media wasn't even trying to do.  The closest you'd get was a short op-ed, or a "straight" story with a couple quotes from both sides.

And yeah, it's pretty clear that you view all policy talk through the prism of a bunch of arrogant, pinheaded academics thinking they can rearrange the world to their liking, but that's similar to how I hear stuff about deregulation and privatization.  Folks learn a bit of econ theory, maybe to the point where they can throw around terms like "price signals" and "deadweight loss" and suddenly they're comfortable applying a few basic rules based on some very stylized facts to industries and businesses in which they have absolutely no expertise or experience.  I know, I know, deregulation isn't telling people what to do, it's letting people find their own solutions through the exchange of dispersed information, etc. but most of the folks pushing that stuff are as natural meddlers as anyone you'll find, and when someone says "it's ECON101" the buzzing sound in my ears gets louder.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 06:34:21 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2014, 05:17:10 AM

Yeah, but you also like Mickey Kaus, so it's maybe just you have... unique tastes in punditry.

Kaus is one of the few I'm realizing that I do like. And I don't really agree with him on anything politically.

Quote

And yeah, it's pretty clear that you view all policy talk through the prism of a bunch of arrogant, pinheaded academics thinking they can rearrange the world to their liking

Except I don't view it that way or at least I don't hope I do and impugn their motives. I'm sure there are some arrogant pinheads but I imagine most are simply caught up in the lucrative march to irrelevance that is inaccurately viewed as legitimacy as a science. The field as a collective has little to no interest in contemplating its data or accepting its goals most of the time. Reading APSR and co can be adorable with how much they like to play empirical pretend.

GIGO, sample sizes and time scales are real problems that just get hand waved away and float off into the aether.

But whatever, I don't have any business talking about others from my dishonest glass house.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 14, 2014, 08:57:12 AM

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South Carolina U.S. Senate candidate Dave Feliciano (R) said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) is "ambiguously gay" at a candidate forum, according to The State.

Said Feliciano: "It's about time that South Carolina says hey, We're tired of the ambiguously gay senator from South Carolina. We're ready for a new leader to merge the Republican Party. We're done with this. This is what it's about, all of us coming together and saying, one way or the other, one of us is going to be on that ballot in November."

 :o

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 11:02:34 AM

Lindsey Graham & John McCain, the Ambiguously Gay Duo!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 14, 2014, 12:11:47 PM

is that because he's a dude named Lindsey, or is there something about him I don't know?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 01:11:31 PM

He's Republican.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2014, 03:20:12 PM

http://missoulian.com/news/state-and-regional/yellowstone-county-gop-turns-away-congressional-candidate-cites-racism/article_f8b482d0-aab5-11e3-bad8-0019bb2963f4.html

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“We asked Mr. Turiano not to attend our event because we have no intention of allowing him a platform to spread hate and intolerance,” said Jennifer Owen, Yellowstone County Republican chairwoman. “There is simply no place for racism in this party.”

To which Turiano replied, "Shut up bitch! Get back in the kitchen!"

:heh

Quote

“There is simply no place for racism in this party.”

:heh

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2014, 03:26:04 PM

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“When white America is about 10 percent of the population in about 50 years, like the white population in South Africa is today, isn’t it possible for a Louis Farrakhan-type demagogue to not only easily become the leader of America, but then once in power, might he not also attempt to exterminate white America like the current black president of South Africa, Jacob Zuma, is attempting to exterminate white South Africans according to the organization Genocide Watch?” Turiano asked.

(http://i.imgur.com/7A5DAaA.png)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 03:34:16 PM

At least America has avoided South Africa's fatal mistake and the #1 leading cause of having a 90% African population: Being in Africa.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2014, 03:48:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 03:34:16 PM

At least America has avoided South Africa's fatal mistake and the #1 leading cause of having a 90% African population: Being in Africa.

Plus, all the white people in American aren't suddenly going to flee back to Britain or wherever it is that white people come from.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2014, 03:58:39 PM

Do we really need to exterminate the white race once they only make up 10% of the country? I'll settle for crossing the street whenever I see one walking towards me.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on March 14, 2014, 04:19:23 PM

Best to be sure.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 04:25:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2014, 03:58:39 PM

Do we really need to exterminate the white race once they only make up 10% of the country? I'll settle for crossing the street whenever I see one walking towards me.

Jeez, even in power you people are lazy.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 04:33:39 PM

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/thu-march-13-2014/-mcconnelling

I can't breathe.   :lol :lol :lol  :rofl :rofl  :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2014, 04:47:15 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=HSh73d3TZcA&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=1plPyJdXKIY&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 04:50:39 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyFw42tUnx4

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 05:03:22 PM

I felt pretty good about these two:

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=sZQ3FiKf09M&audio_start=6

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=17lkdqoLt44&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 05:20:03 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=_6frI0Xjufg&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 05:24:17 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=tRsoaDcyLDE&audio_start=5

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=7KY7jLQGHA0&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2014, 06:30:29 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=YjpCU4Zy9Cs&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=SMhwddNQSWQ&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=cIE0wTFg364&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=lOfZLb33uCg&audio_start=0

I feel pretty good about these.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=MIiFpfNmeHU&audio_start=0

[close]

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 06:36:53 PM

These are all great. :lol

Okay, one more...

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=MS4_Z84-rRE&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 06:43:16 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=MUoFlFySijM&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 06:46:46 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=HMUDVMiITOU&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2014, 06:47:53 PM

Okay just one more for real this time, but that's just because someone had to do it:

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=JGw8DWctAts&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2014, 06:51:51 PM

Here's one for Joe:

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=1XhvInJL8dc&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 07:02:10 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=Op4n0pGQ3F4&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 07:08:48 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=fOLmIkwCOKk&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 14, 2014, 07:11:28 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=RNc45FTenhg&audio_start=69 (http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=RNc45FTenhg&audio_start=69)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2014, 07:36:27 PM

...do I have to everything for you assholes?

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=rDGzvJ14_Xg&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=tx1mryKqvT8&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 07:50:27 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=aAxFc1k-2wA&audio_start=0

okay, i'm done

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 08:03:19 PM

i lied:
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=Ce1r05SSbwA&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=Uc-aJNCzwbM&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2014, 08:28:59 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=VFwXmz1KGoQ&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=JMp8aDH8d9M&audio_start=3

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 14, 2014, 08:48:15 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=2v-GlExi4us&audio_start=40

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Atramental on March 14, 2014, 08:59:44 PM

 :dead

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 09:11:38 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=7f_HsjpSVaI&audio_start=11

omg

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 09:12:36 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=WM1RChZk1EU&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 09:16:33 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=EQ8ViYIeH04&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 09:21:31 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=fg9pkAYvrSM&audio_start=0

omggggggg okay i have to stop

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=k-ImCpNqbJw&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=-6IZzqMGj84&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2014, 10:29:06 PM

Can't stop. Won't stop.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 10:56:17 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=El1kgCqD7Xk&audio_start=20

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=3e_nJRzCpBE&audio_start=3

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 11:06:57 PM

way better than i thought it'd be:
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=iypUpv9xelg&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2014, 11:36:32 PM

That Mitch is poison... (http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=6vY7S6iwwlQ&audio_start=0)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 12:00:00 AM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=SPxkp2F-nAQ&audio_start=0

 :whoo

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 15, 2014, 01:47:10 AM

Mitch, I look like Goku (http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=7b0oQkjup4Q&audio_start=0)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on March 15, 2014, 02:58:48 AM

I gots one
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=U4MCZJ5zkfw&audio_start=247

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2014, 12:43:35 PM

liberal humor
:beli

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 12:57:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2014, 12:43:35 PM

liberal humor
:beli

You tryin' to say #McConnelling isn't hilarious.

:gurl

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 01:09:18 PM

Quote from: Ruzbeh on March 15, 2014, 01:07:16 PM

I was only mildly amused by it when I saw it on the daily show. :larry

You're autistic though, your sense of humor doesn't count

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2014, 03:21:59 PM

*mic drop*

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=gbE1Dg-4fvI&audio_start=9

 :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2014, 04:15:07 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 15, 2014, 03:21:59 PM

*mic drop*

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=gbE1Dg-4fvI&audio_start=9

 :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

LOL @ Youdubber's new site banner.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 15, 2014, 07:12:57 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=3Oe7Q8OCm5I&audio_start=17

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=lgWgEoaAYDY&audio_start=0

Going to hell for this one
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=9gspElv1yvc&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 15, 2014, 07:49:33 PM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=lGugJnsPYAU&audio_start=3

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=2ZnmTiqEikg&audio_start=7

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=_3mpUJ1ZpCk&audio_start=0

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=qEGbjR1Y9Qo&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2014, 09:26:31 PM

And now back to our regularly scheduled show "How Can We Hate the Gay Away Today?" hosted by the GOP:
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2014/03/13/3354801/south-carolina-lgbt-books/#

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A proposed South Carolina state budget for the upcoming fiscal year includes nearly $70,000 in funding cuts for two public colleges that assigned books addressing gay and lesbian themes. State Representative Garry Smith (R) originally advocated the measure that would take away $52,000 from the College of Charleston and $17,142 from the University of South Carolina Upstate. The House passed its full $24 billion budget with a 115-2 preliminary vote Tuesday and approved it for the Senate on Wednesday.

For its first-year summer reading program, the College of Charleston assigned Fun Home, an illustrated memoir that documents the writer’s experience coming to terms with her sexuality in small-town Pennsylvania. A 2006 piece in The New York Times Book Review described author Alison Bechdel’s memoir as “a story about a daughter trying to understand her father through the common and unspoken bond of their homosexuality.” Bechdel’s father, a closeted gay man, dies in a car accident after his daughter comes out to him.

Students at South Carolina Upstate read Out Loud: The Best of Rainbow Radio, a collection of stories about the state’s first gay and lesbian radio show. A summary on the university’s first-year program page recalls an enthusiastic opening segment on the station: “For far too long, talk radio airwaves have been dominated by the people who talk about us. Starting this fall, we speak for ourselves!”

Smith told the The State newspaper that the books imposed a perspective on students rather than promoting dialogue: “One of the things I learned over the years is that if you want to make a point, you have to make it hurt,” he said. “I understand academic freedom, but this is not academic freedom … This was about promoting one side with no academic debate involved.”

:shaq2

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2014, 09:34:45 PM

what the fuck is there to debate

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2014, 09:47:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2014, 09:34:45 PM

what the fuck is there to debate

I'd like to know what books he'd propose assigning as a counter-point. The Pink Swastika, maybe?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 15, 2014, 10:33:20 PM

The Bible, duh.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on March 15, 2014, 10:42:36 PM

Fiction is not a counterpoint. :fedora

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2014, 12:14:10 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2014, 09:47:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2014, 09:34:45 PM

what the fuck is there to debate

I'd like to know what books he'd propose assigning as a counter-point. The Pink Swastika, maybe?

Ender's Game?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 16, 2014, 03:16:54 AM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=ZRPpCqXYoos&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 12:11:51 AM

http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=FdFhmRdBtno&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 03:15:21 AM

How did I not think of this one considering he's from Kentucky:
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=yT2i2UylxJ0&audio_start=8

And for the end of the season montage:
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=nrdTX8m5G98&video_start=0&audio=c9p534Q5hhw&audio_start=0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on March 17, 2014, 12:40:55 PM

St. Patties is about GREEN not PINK. #merica

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 12:45:51 PM

black people don't get signs at St. Pattys, why should gays?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2014, 12:49:01 PM

You didn't choose to be black. :smug

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 02:42:43 PM

Why be a black conservative, I want to be a white conservative now
http://spectator.org/articles/56909/propaganda-not-%E2%80%98reality-or-%E2%80%98truth

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2014, 02:54:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 02:42:43 PM

Why be a black conservative, I want to be a white conservative now
http://spectator.org/articles/56909/propaganda-not-%E2%80%98reality-or-%E2%80%98truth

Quote

I can't wait to see Bowman's defense of Darth Vader. Just kidding, Vader's black.

:dead

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 04:55:51 PM

I don't understand that article. What is the guy even talking about?

Surprised he didn't mention the voters who admitted they hadn't seen the movie but voted for it anyway because "social duty" or some bullshit.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2014, 05:01:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 04:55:51 PM

I don't understand that article. What is the guy even talking about?

12 Years a Slave is propaganda just like Gone with the Wind, because it only shows the bad side of slavery and there were probably some slaves that really liked being slaves.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 05:10:58 PM

Okay dog, translate this into English then too:

Quote

See, there are some pretty obvious differences between slavery as practiced in the U.S. a century and a half ago and today’s “prison population” or Trayvon Martin, not to mention stop and frisk. The only connection between these things and slavery is that the presumptive moral debt owed to the descendants of slavery’s victims and the moral authority conferred on them by it may be applied to the disapproval and eventually the disappearance of things its beneficiaries don’t like or find objectionable or irksome, on account of the sufferings of their ancestors.

Our awareness of Mr. McQueen’s frankly stated political agenda cannot but affect our view of the supposed history that is supposedly repeating itself and may even cast doubt backwards on that history itself.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2014, 05:14:46 PM

"Why are all these black folks complaining so much? They should be happy that slavery is over and let me live in my comfy white man world."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 05:15:53 PM

oh god: http://www.jamesbowman.net/articleDetail.asp?pubID=2327

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2014, 05:17:11 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 05:10:58 PM

Okay dog, translate this into English then too:

Quote

See, there are some pretty obvious differences between slavery as practiced in the U.S. a century and a half ago and today’s “prison population” or Trayvon Martin, not to mention stop and frisk. The only connection between these things and slavery is that the presumptive moral debt owed to the descendants of slavery’s victims and the moral authority conferred on them by it may be applied to the disapproval and eventually the disappearance of things its beneficiaries don’t like or find objectionable or irksome, on account of the sufferings of their ancestors.

Our awareness of Mr. McQueen’s frankly stated political agenda cannot but affect our view of the supposed history that is supposedly repeating itself and may even cast doubt backwards on that history itself.

"I am suffocated in a white guilt shithole every day, I don't need it online at the theatre."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2014, 05:23:39 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 05:15:53 PM

oh god: http://www.jamesbowman.net/articleDetail.asp?pubID=2327

lmao that dude sounds like a blast at parties

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2014, 05:24:01 PM

Alternately: "Hollywood needs a Fairness Doctrine."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2014, 06:08:26 PM

The Boy

This touching fair and balanced historical film depicts the life of Samuel Tuckett, a homeless African-American youngster from a single parent home, taken in by Jennie Beauregard, a well-to-do slave owner who helps him fulfill his potential. At the same time, Tuckett's presence in Beauregard's life leads her to some insightful self-discoveries of her own. Living in his new environment, the boy faces a completely different set of challenges to overcome. As a mandingo fighter and farm hand, Tuckett works hard and, with the help of his overseers and adopted family, becomes an independent slave owner himself.

Starring Sandra Bullock and Darius Xavier


Bakers In Autumn

This non-political drama tells the tale of Ezra, a young concentration camp shoe shine boy and Lars, an oven operator at Auschwitz. Despite philosophical differences the two young men form a bond that is stronger than silver. As the demands of Lars' job take their toll, Ezra provides a calming hand that leads both of them to open their own small business bakery. Through hard work and perseverance they inspire their people to overcome equally challenging odds.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2014, 09:24:34 PM

(http://media.pressherald.com/images/300*185/health+ad.jpg)

Quote

Meredith Strang Burgess, whose Portland-based Burgess Advertising produced the naked man ad and other ads for enroll 207, said she and her team had to “channel our younger, inner selves” for inspiration.

“Everyone thought it was hysterical,” Strang Burgess said of the naked man ad.

She also bounced ideas off her three sons, who are in their 20s and 30s, for the social media campaign and advertising on cable television geared toward young men and women.

“I’m feeling very hip right now,” said Strang Burgess, who’s 57.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2014, 11:03:33 PM

That lady's sons just trolled her big time.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 18, 2014, 07:27:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PulUKsICY9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9qLYZPAQB8

hipster republican!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2014, 02:56:20 AM

Another job loss under the Obama Regime's War on Good Food:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/19/us/politics/white-houses-top-pastry-chef-to-leave-post.html?pagewanted=all

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 19, 2014, 12:41:10 PM

All those gay wedding cakes must have taken their toll.  :'(

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 19, 2014, 02:16:21 PM

http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdkhz1vSHl1rkd8gso1_500.png)

 :sabu

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: drew on March 19, 2014, 05:11:05 PM

Quote from: Eric P on March 18, 2014, 07:27:38 AM

hipster republican!

this fucking guy  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2014, 11:12:04 PM

Quote

Evangelist Franklin Graham is praising Russian President Vladimir Putin for his aggressive crackdown on homosexuality, saying his record on protecting children from gay “propaganda” is better than President Barack Obama’s “shameful” embrace of gay rights.

Graham, who now heads the Charlotte-based Billy Graham Evangelistic Association started by his famous father, praised Putin in the March issue of the group’s Decision magazine for signing a bill that imposes fines for adults who promote “propaganda of nontraditional sexual relations to minors.”

The Russian law came under heavy criticism from gay-rights activists – and from Obama – ahead of the Winter Olympics in Sochi, Russia. In response, Obama included openly gay athletes as part of the official U.S. delegation to Sochi.

“In my opinion, Putin is right on these issues,” Graham wrote. “Obviously, he may be wrong about many things, but he has taken a stand to protect his nation’s children from the damaging effects of any gay and lesbian agenda.

“Our president and his attorney general have turned their backs on God and His standards, and many in the Congress are following the administration’s lead. This is shameful.”

With the caveat that “I am not endorsing President Putin,” Graham nonetheless praised Russia’s get-tough approach toward gay rights.

“Isn’t it sad, though, that America’s own morality has fallen so far that on this issue – protecting children from any homosexual agenda or propaganda – Russia’s standard is higher than our own?”

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/03/18/3713063/franklin-graham-putin-is-better.html#storylink=cpy
 :beli

So when Billy Graham dies, will Obama even be invited to the funeral?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 20, 2014, 11:12:36 PM

why would a muslim go to the funeral for a baptist lmao

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 21, 2014, 09:02:51 AM

"Putin would have sanctioned Putin harder. #tcot"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 21, 2014, 11:26:59 PM

Quote from: Eric P on March 18, 2014, 07:27:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PulUKsICY9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9qLYZPAQB8

hipster republican!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdQCtWlhx90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q7esuODnQI

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2014, 11:44:46 PM

I can't tell which are the parodies and which are the real ones!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on March 21, 2014, 11:52:03 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on March 21, 2014, 11:26:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdQCtWlhx90

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8q7esuODnQI

jesus :dead

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2014, 11:53:33 PM

Is Last Week Tonight any good? Haven't seen it, love John Oliver, would give him a handjob. Wait.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2014, 01:37:44 AM

benj, you listen to The Bugle?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 03:02:40 AM

Nope, only recently started looking into things outside the Bombcast and Cruncheons actually. I've had other things like EconTalk, Mission Log, Adam Carolla, Penn, etc. in my feed for a while but never actually download them except once in a while if the guest catches my eye. (Like Gabe Newell or Alton Brown on the Nerdist, Penn on Carolla and vice versa, etc.) Will have to add that one.

Oh, and Mike and Tom Eat Snacks though I think there's only been like one of those in a year.

Are there any friendly debate/roundtable ones? Red Eye's become more of a Republican circle jerk since Bill got fired and the guest list reduced to 80% Fox News Contributors. The Independents is too libertarian circle jerky and unfunny, The Five is too Republican circle jerky and unfunny. Real Time has become annoying for some reason over the last couple years, might just be the guest combos. I've been listening to Firing Line's the last couple weeks but I wouldn't mind something where the participants are still alive and talk less about Vietnam or Nixon.

Huh, didn't realize Uncommon Knowledge came back. (Well, sorta.) Somebody recommended Common Sense with Dan Carlin and something John Dvorak is on one time but I never followed up.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 04:03:43 AM

http://time.com/32718/rick-santorum-2016-presidential-race/ (http://time.com/32718/rick-santorum-2016-presidential-race/)

Quote

In an interview with TIME, the former Pennsylvania senator who finished second to Romney in 2012 says he's sure he would have defeated Obama had he won the GOP nomination. He also previews some of the themes he might emphasize should he run for president in 2016

...

It’s not only Barack Obama who has been advocating a more cautious foreign policy. It’s also Republicans.

Agreed. You’ve seen me out there taking on the Paul faction. I did during the campaign. I took on Ron Paul at debate after debate on Iran, on Pakistan. I see the Rand Paul wing of the Republican Party for what it is: allied with Barack Obama’s foreign policy. I think that’s a very serious threat to our own security.

...

Do you think you would have beaten Obama?

Without a doubt.

Why?

Because I would have been able to attract the voters in the states that mattered. Romney would probably do better than me in New Jersey and California and New York. But I’d do better in Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Virginia—in the states that were going to decide the election. Look at how we did in Ohio in the primary. We got outspent by huge amounts. I didn’t run a single ad in the Cleveland market, and we still almost beat him in Ohio.

...

You know what, they can get to the top of the pack and fall too. One of the things I know is that when I got to the top of the pack I didn’t fall. I ran out of money, and I ran out of time. And the forces were against me. It’s tough running against City Hall.

The amazing thing, here we are looking at 2016, and many of the national polls don’t even put my name on the list. They review the candidates, and I’m not included on the list of people who they look at, which I sort of get a kick out of. It’s sort of been my strength over the course of my political career that I’m always underestimated. Always. The Democrats did that for a long time and I won four straight races. And now it’s happening on the Republican side.

Also, Benghazi (http://www.mediaite.com/tv/andrea-tantaros-becomes-first-fox-host-to-compare-mh370-to-benghazi/):

Quote

After playing a montage of the reactions from loved ones of the people on board Flight 370, host Kimberly Guilfoyle imagined what it must be like for these people to still have no idea what happened to the passengers nearly two weeks later.

“Think how long it took for them to get this kind of media attention,” Tantaros added. “I mean, living in Malaysia, the government seemingly ignored these people, they didn’t want their stories to get out. They weren’t talking to them.”

After warning co-host Bob Beckel to plug his ears lest he explode with rage, Tantaros said it “feels like the families of Benghazi, just saying. And we’re better than that.”

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 22, 2014, 04:51:46 AM

Sheeeeit, I don't listen to podcasts about serious things.  Sometimes I see a link to a video or audio file explaining something, and I'm like "why can't this just be plain text like God intended?"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 05:06:51 AM

Yeah, I'd much prefer to read.  :lol  I hate when sites will post like an hour long interview video but no transcript.

I found the Dvorak show, called No Agenda with another MTV VJ. Actually along the lines of what I was thinking of looking for in the past, though they pretty much agree on everything, it's a lot of playing clips from things and making fun of them. Or at least the one hour I sampled was. Of course, I could be very biased after they spent a few minutes mocking the opening intro of Sean Hannity's radio show which is one of my favorite "this can't be serious" things ever.

By referencing Buckley's Firing Line was more of a stylistic thing where they're kinda having a conversation even when disagreeing, and Buckley cracks little jokes and there's plenty of digressions, whereas a lot of the more modern stuff I have come across is a lot like cable news programs where they just throw talking points at each other for a while until the clock runs out.

Though to be fair, I suppose the task of tackling political topics while disagreeing and also being friendly and funny is quite the tall order. And not something that many listeners would even want.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 05:25:17 AM

Can't find the absurd Hannity intro anywhere for some reason. But did find this guy:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EoeHskfbBtA

He has a bunch of videos confronting Danny Bonaduce for some reason. Always knew he was part of the New World Order.

And this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdJO-kUINMs

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 22, 2014, 07:56:22 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 22, 2014, 01:37:44 AM

benj, you listen to The Bugle?

the bugle is amazing.anyone who lurks this thread should listen to it.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2014, 11:23:02 AM

I could see Santorum doing better in working class states, but losing worse overall than Romney. Romney won the white vote handily and it's not like Santorum was going to do better with minorities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EEMzoUGbEY

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2014, 05:21:13 PM

A strong anti-gay candidate is exactly what we need to get the kids excited.

For Hillary.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 06:24:21 PM

(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/2qxnndflueggpptxsormbg.png)

(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/8y7kscz6euqnu5nzpof9cq.png)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2014, 08:26:35 PM

:bow First lesbian president :bow2

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2014, 08:36:41 PM

Somedays I wish I would be polled so I could have said something like that or "More Benghazi's" though they probably wouldn't report it.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2014, 06:45:22 AM

BUSH CLINTON II: ELECTRIC BUGALOO

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/03/22/sheldon-adelson-plans-vip-dinner-for-jeb-bush-at-gop-gathering-in-vegas/

But sure, there's no aristocracy in this country. Uh huh.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2014, 10:02:27 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2014/03/22/sinkhole-of-bureaucracy/

 :mindblown

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 09:20:14 AM

I'm getting a kick out of some on the left turning on Nate Silver because he had the audacity to hire someone that doesn't follow their extreme climate change religion.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/tarnished-silver/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 09:22:12 AM

Kind of reminds me of when Daily Kos found out he's a libertarian (around fall 2012) and some people began questioning is credibility

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2014, 09:32:16 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 09:20:14 AM

I'm getting a kick out of some on the left turning on Nate Silver because he had the audacity to hire someone that doesn't follow their extreme climate change religion.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/tarnished-silver/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

:neogaf :ufup

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 09:49:04 AM

Quiet. I want to see if Mandark falls for that.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2014, 10:02:08 AM

Well he won't now, of course.

I'm still 50/50 on whether TA is joking or not. I've seen otherwise smart people turn out to be climate change 'sceptics' offline.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 10:05:06 AM

Why would I be joking? I've been following the issue since the early 90's.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2014, 10:11:49 AM

M-hm.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2014, 10:39:24 AM

He's already got an anti-Gay gay guy, now an anti-Climate Change guy, and is predicting big wins for Republicans in the Senate mid-terms? I guess I don't even need to go to The Blaze anymore!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2014, 11:01:47 AM

Apparently the lesson Silver took away from working in close proximity to the political pundit class for so long was less "do thorough research and don't believe people obviously talking out of their ass" and more "people who allege to be experts in every field are obviously full of shit."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 01:39:50 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2014, 10:39:24 AM

He's already got an anti-Gay gay guy, now an anti-Climate Change guy, and is predicting big wins for Republicans in the Senate mid-terms? I guess I don't even need to go to The Blaze anymore!

You're mixing your Jews up. Ezra Klein hired the anti-gay guy.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2014, 02:24:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/vftLgoH.png?1)

:obama

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2014, 02:24:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 01:39:50 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2014, 10:39:24 AM

He's already got an anti-Gay gay guy, now an anti-Climate Change guy, and is predicting big wins for Republicans in the Senate mid-terms? I guess I don't even need to go to The Blaze anymore!

You're mixing your Jews up. Ezra Klein hired the anti-gay guy.

You may be right, but I feel like it would irresponsible of me not to present an alternate view point.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 03:05:06 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 09:20:14 AM

I'm getting a kick out of some on the left turning on Nate Silver because he had the audacity to hire someone that doesn't follow their extreme climate change religion.


http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/03/23/tarnished-silver/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto

TA, do you believe in evolution and the Earth being older than 6,000 years?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 03:33:16 PM

I'm actually surprised you're still on that bandwagon, TA.  I legitimately got the impression that you had quietly left it in the dustbin with Newt a couple years back.

But wasn't this the concern from when 538 was announced?  Amateurs with decent math skills can discover new things in fields where stats are important yet hardly anyone's actually been crunching the numbers.  That applied to sports a decade ago and election coverage a couple years back, but stray from that and suddenly you're doing the Malcolm Gladwell/Freakonomics/Cass Sunstein thing.  "Let me apply this really basic model to something that I've studied for a weekend.  Fresh eyes!  Problem solved!  What's next?"

The only thing I've read at 538 so far was a statistical analysis of which characters shared dialogue with each other in Romeo and Juliet.  (Juliet talks with her nurse more than Romeo!  What does this mean!?)  Hopefully it'll get better, but it's not looking like a must-bookmark just yet.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 04:51:08 PM

538 is looking like a Beltway parody of what they think a Nate Silver site would be. Not a good look.

He should probably stick to sports analysis with some poll driven election stuff mixed in. Right now the Beltway is harping his midterm prediction, which is based on a rather small amount of early polls, some from partisan pollsters. I'm not denying dems aren't in a good position but there's not enough data out there for most races.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 04:58:37 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 03:05:06 PM

TA, do you believe in evolution and the Earth being older than 6,000 years?

I believe in making casual associations and slanders in an attempt bully and pigeonhole curious people that see more nuance into an issue.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 04:59:58 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 04:58:37 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 03:05:06 PM

TA, do you believe in evolution and the Earth being older than 6,000 years?

I believe in making casual associations and slanders in an attempt bully and pigeonhole curious people that see more nuance into an issue.

Can't tell if serious.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 05:02:58 PM

Everything I post is serious in that moment.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 05:04:32 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 04:59:58 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 04:58:37 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 03:05:06 PM

TA, do you believe in evolution and the Earth being older than 6,000 years?

I believe in making casual associations and slanders in an attempt bully and pigeonhole curious people that see more nuance into an issue.

Can't tell if serious.

Be honest, how many paragraphs did you write before settling for this.

PoliBore Rules: Don't discuss abortion with JayDubya, and don't discuss science with ToxicAdam.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 05:08:08 PM

Long-range climate modeling isn't science. I have no problem with real science.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 05:09:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 05:04:32 PM

PoliBore Rules: Don't discuss abortion with JayDubya, and don't discuss science with ToxicAdam.

Oh, I learned that a while ago.  I remember when TA thought that the body's nervous system worked on sound waves or something.

Just noticed that when someone compared his position to a religious belief, he was all "SLANDER, BULLYING!" and awarding himself bonus points for nuance, just a page after having a good larf at people's "extreme climate change religion."  It's like in the NBA thread, does AWESOM-O know he's being a stan or does he think he's being objective any time he posts about Dwight or Bron?  For my money, I'd say TA's got a bit more self-awareness and a handle on his feels, but we've all got our pet issues.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 05:12:42 PM

The point was about discrediting others through loose associations. The same way conservatives compare liberals to socialists of years gone by or some compare those on the right to fascists. I guess 'flat-earther' would be another casual slur of the intellectually lazy.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 05:16:32 PM

Yeah, and my point is you were making a casual association between liberals who believe in climate change and religious zealouts.  Which is probably a pretty effective way to rustle some r/atheists, but do you really not realize you're doing that?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2014, 05:37:09 PM

if global warming is real why we still got winter though

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 05:39:21 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 05:16:32 PM

Yeah, and my point is you were making a casual association between liberals who believe in climate change and religious zealouts.  Which is probably a pretty effective way to rustle some r/atheists, but do you really not realize you're doing that?

I said extreme.  Words have meaning.

For example, those that believe the 'tipping point' is happening or will happen in the next decade. Or those that adamantly that believe the coastlines will be swallowed up in a century.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 24, 2014, 05:56:01 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 24, 2014, 05:51:30 PM

Either way it doesn't mean much. Are we presently jumping out of our seats to prevent climate change? Are we preparing to?

Yeah, but liberals

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 06:00:49 PM

If I was a black conservative I'd use this opportunity to point out the hypocrisy of liberals who criticize the wealth and tax loopholes oil barons benefit from while saying nothing of those who stand to profit from climate change policies.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 06:21:35 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2014, 03:33:16 PM

"Let me apply this really basic model to something ... Problem solved!"

Sounds like climate chaos and the proposed policy solutions.

 :jawalrus

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 04:51:08 PM

538 is looking like a Beltway parody of what they think a Nate Silver site would be. Not a good look.

He should probably stick to sports analysis with some poll driven election stuff mixed in. Right now the Beltway is harping his midterm prediction, which is based on a rather small amount of early polls, some from partisan pollsters. I'm not denying dems aren't in a good position but there's not enough data out there for most races.

I've never understood this notion he was doing mind-blowing predictive work, the RCP average gets races just as right. Especially if you look at the momentum trend and adjust accordingly. (Which is what Silver's model does.)

If you had taken the RCP average in APRIL 2012 as your prediction, you would have gotten 48 out of the 50 states right. Could have flipped a coin on the two closest and possibly hit all 50.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2014, 07:00:29 PM

He wasn't necessarily doing mind-blowing work, it's just that he was actually using data and models in an arena dominated by people who very seriously based their analysis on "vibrations" and "gut instinct."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 07:02:04 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 24, 2014, 05:51:30 PM

Either way it doesn't mean much. Are we presently jumping out of our seats to prevent climate change? Are we preparing to?

That's the head scratching question I always come back to.  If the problem is as dire as we are led to believe, then why aren't we attacking the easy stuff like black carbon and methane emissions?  Those are the ghgs that would pay immediate dividends if they were harshly regulated. But the focus always goes to co2 instead.

It's not like there even needs to be legislature to get it done. It can be done by the EPA tomorrow.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 24, 2014, 07:17:07 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 07:02:04 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 24, 2014, 05:51:30 PM

Either way it doesn't mean much. Are we presently jumping out of our seats to prevent climate change? Are we preparing to?

That's the head scratching question I always come back to.  If the problem is as dire as we are led to believe, then why aren't we attacking the easy stuff like black carbon and methane emissions?  Those are the ghgs that would pay immediate dividends if they were harshly regulated. But the focus always goes to co2 instead.

It's not like there even needs to be legislature to get it done. It can be done by the EPA tomorrow.

I'm sure if the EPA were to issue new regulations that the reaction from those on the right would in no way be something close to "EMPEROR OBAMAO COMIN TO TAKE YER CARBON!"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 07:19:48 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2014, 07:00:29 PM

He wasn't necessarily doing mind-blowing work, it's just that he was actually using data and models in an arena dominated by people who very seriously based their analysis on "vibrations" and "gut instinct."

Why do you want Peggy Noonan to starve? Heartless progressives smh.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2014, 07:25:33 PM

Peggy Noonan can eat once she actually starts doing some work.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 07:41:38 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 24, 2014, 07:17:07 PM

I'm sure if the EPA were to issue new regulations that the reaction from those on the right would in no way be something close to "EMPEROR OBAMAO COMIN TO TAKE YER CARBON!"

That should be of no concern if the issue is as grave as people say it is.

Especially in the case of black carbon, which is shown to melt ice faster, cause lung damage in humans and cause other public health issues. If you want to line up on the other side of that debate, then you are going to look pretty bad.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 07:44:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fosVzgyAr0

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 07:52:51 PM

I think in a decade or so when they finally publish accounts of all the voter fraud that went on to steal the election from Romney despite what experts like Noonan and Rove were feeling in the crowds and what all the unskewed polls were saying, people are going to be really upset with the Democratic Party.

Especially when Putin seizes Quebec.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2014, 08:21:57 PM

I can't wait until summer 2016 when polls show Hillary up 2-4 points on Scott Walker and the pundit class brushes off the old "anyone who says this isn't a dead heat doesn't understand politics" memes.

"A black canddiate isn't on the ballot, therefore Silver's numbers are irrelavant. There's no way blacks or Hispanics turn out in high enough numbers to change this from a tie race."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 08:51:34 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 04:58:37 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 03:05:06 PM

TA, do you believe in evolution and the Earth being older than 6,000 years?

I believe in making casual associations and slanders in an attempt bully and pigeonhole curious people that see more nuance into an issue.

Actually, I wasn't really trying to insult you, that was out of genuine curiosity. I mean, if one thinks that there's a liberal conspiracy to promote man made climate change, why wouldn't that extend to other areas as well? What makes you trust the left when it comes to matters of biology and geology, but not climatology?

I'm just saying that the conservatives haven't had a great record when it comes to science in general since the days of Copernicus. So with that in mind, why would you give them the benefit of the doubt?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 09:00:43 PM

That just assumes there's only two positions one which is entirely right all the time and one which is entirely wrong all the time. When it's possible for "conservatives" to be right on evolution and wrong on climate chaos or vice versa.

It's also possible to be right for the wrong reasons.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 09:01:32 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2014/03/13/five-things-neil-degrasse-tysons-cosmos-gets-wrong/

These are the type of people who shape science policy on the Right, just to throw it out there.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2014, 10:26:12 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 09:01:32 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2014/03/13/five-things-neil-degrasse-tysons-cosmos-gets-wrong/

These are the type of people who shape science policy on the Right, just to throw it out there.

Quote

5. The Universe Was Also Not Created In One Year
On January 1st, we had the Big Bang and on December 31st, I am alive, less than a tiny fraction of a millisecond before midnight. That can’t be right — it took me a whole day just to write this article.

Oh, Cosmos is not being literal? Oddly, a number of religious critics, Tyson included, insist that too many religious people believe the Book of Genesis is taken literally by people who read the Bible. Unless we accept that figurative comparisons help make large ideas manageable, a year is no more accurate than six days — it is instead a completely arbitrary metric invented to show some context for how things evolved.

:snoop

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 10:30:03 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 08:51:34 PM

Actually, I wasn't really trying to insult you, that was out of genuine curiosity. I mean, if one thinks that there's a liberal conspiracy to promote man made climate change, why wouldn't that extend to other areas as well? What makes you trust the left when it comes to matters of biology and geology, but not climatology?

It's immaterial to the subject at hand. It's a peer pressure tactic meant to influence people that are generally on the fence or indifferent to the topic. You create an archetype of 'those people' and then continually add layers on to the falsehood with other labels. Flat-earthers, holocaust deniers, anti-science, bible literalists, bought by corporate interests, etc etc. So, it doesn't surprise me to see you lazily regurgitate what you are fed. It's the same shit Rush Limbaugh has made a career out of.

Quote

I'm just saying that the conservatives haven't had a great record when it comes to science in general since the days of Copernicus. So with that in mind, why would you give them the benefit of the doubt?

With history, you can cherry-pick many different events throughout human history to fit whatever narrative you want to say. For much of the the previous millennia, many of the foundations of scientific thought and practice were laid down by the monks and friars of the middle ages.  But I wouldn't even classify them as 'conservative'. It's a meaningless label that has no real through line in history.

The through line I would focus on is that the Catholic church sought to demonize and discredit anyone that brought forth information that could upset their power base. So, it wasn't "science" that threatened them, it was particular observations made of the universe that upset the dogma they had laid down. Things that could diminish their funding or political capital. It's that same kind of tribalism of thought and preservation of power that corrupts much of climate science today. 

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2014, 10:56:17 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on March 24, 2014, 10:26:12 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 24, 2014, 09:01:32 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2014/03/13/five-things-neil-degrasse-tysons-cosmos-gets-wrong/

These are the type of people who shape science policy on the Right, just to throw it out there.

Quote

5. The Universe Was Also Not Created In One Year
On January 1st, we had the Big Bang and on December 31st, I am alive, less than a tiny fraction of a millisecond before midnight. That can’t be right — it took me a whole day just to write this article.

Oh, Cosmos is not being literal? Oddly, a number of religious critics, Tyson included, insist that too many religious people believe the Book of Genesis is taken literally by people who read the Bible. Unless we accept that figurative comparisons help make large ideas manageable, a year is no more accurate than six days — it is instead a completely arbitrary metric invented to show some context for how things evolved.

:snoop

Quote

We can allow that catchy buzzwords make something timely and that they are a snapshot of the culture of the period. James Cameron used the term “shock and awe” in the futuristic “Avatar” film not because he actually believes solders will be using that term when we invade other planets, but because he was selling an anti-military message to viewers at a time when George Bush was president.

Quote

Avatar
2009 Film
Release date: December 18, 2009 (USA)

Conservatives' pop-culture knowledge is even worse than their science knowledge. :obama

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 11:47:07 PM

 Follow the money, brehs!

 :geoff

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 11:59:04 PM

$992 million = 206 electoral votes
$946 million = A123, Beacon Power, Ener1, Solyndra
$900 million = complete undermining of the global climate through secret propaganda

Put those last guys in charge if that's the kind of returns they get.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 12:13:24 AM

I remember TA saying back in the day that climate scientists couldn't be trusted cause they were incentivized to go after that sweet sweet grant money by producing ever more apocalyptic projections.

Of course now they apparently command comparable "power" to the 16th century Catholic church, so they've definitely done well for themselves over the last few years.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2014, 12:24:48 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 24, 2014, 11:16:27 PM

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-12/21/denial

THANKS KOCH

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 12:33:56 AM

Liberals do get too hung up on the funding sources for these things, in that they forget/deny that lots of people just sincerely hold certain beliefs (about climate change or taxes or whatever).  And as obviously wrongheaded as they may seem to your average lib, it's very rarely the result of being manipulated by the Kochs or whoever.

That doesn't mean that money doesn't help give something a voice, or make a movement seem substantial enough to warrant news coverage, etc.  But when the Tea Party thing started I remember hearing a lot of "this is supposedly grassroots, but really money's funneling in from rich donors!"  Which was sorta true but missed the point that there were millions of people who were actually, truly aghast at the idea of an Obama presidency.  Turn of the cash spigot and that still would have been the case.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2014, 12:36:30 AM

Yeah, the Tea Party was very clearly the result of old white folks gettin' the vapors over a black man in the White House, though the money probably helped a lot in honing all the noise into a nationwide movement.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 12:38:39 AM

Lots of people do that, where it seems more predominant on the Left is probably related to greater suspicion of money in general. Especially corporations with money.

To illustrate, one of my favorite DU comments responding to the question of "What safe guards are in place in this country to protect against an attempted coup d'etat?":

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As long as the ability to buy members of Congress and spread misinformation exists, there aren't any

The Koch brothers - as despicable as they are - under Citizens - could theoretically buy all seats of Congress and declare themselves dictators.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 12:45:22 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 25, 2014, 12:43:54 AM

Yeah. Ive never seen a libertarian conspiracy theorist with respect to money, financial institutions, or corporations.

 :dead

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 12:45:25 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 25, 2014, 12:43:54 AM

Yeah. Ive never seen a libertarian conspiracy theorist with respect to money, financial institutions, or corporations.

(http://i.minus.com/jOxIVc7uCYpvB.png)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2014, 12:45:42 AM

The Koch brothers aren't really interested in being dictators, because there isn't any need for them to be and being dictators would just be a huge hassle anyway. They'd much rather their money go toward knocking down industrial regulations, labor laws, and such like.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 12:48:35 AM

The US government by itself spends 3 billion a year on research alone. That doesnt count all the other billions it spends in other related fields and services. There are dozens of other nations around the world or major foundations like Heinz, Gates, Branson, etc that have funds available. Not to mention the billions of dollars raised every year by conservation groups globally. It's a multibillion dollar industry at this point and growing.

So, that's not to say it incentivizes apocalyptic research, but it does get a lot of junk science funded. If you're someone that exclusively researches specific wildlife, fauna,  etc. and your funding dries up, you're absolutely going to steer your research into that field. It's the great panacea of all natural science funding shortages.

I'm not even saying its a bad thing. The quest for knowledge will always benefit man in some way, even if misguided or under somewhat false pretenses. 'Waste' is just a matter if perception.

But to deny that there is no fiscal or ego-driven incentives to maintain and veciferously defend the narrative laid out by Hansen and his ilk is to deny reality.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 12:51:45 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 12:48:35 AM

Hansen

Quote from: benjipwns on March 24, 2014, 11:59:04 PM

Solyndra

Nice, I'm now just Al Gore and "hockey stick" away from Skeptic Bingo.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 12:52:47 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 12:48:35 AM

The US government by itself spends 3 billion a year on research alone. That doesnt count all the other billions it spends in other related fields and services. There are dozens of other nations around the world or major foundations like Heinz, Gates, Branson, etc that have funds available. Not to mention the billions of dollars raised every year by conservation groups globally. It's a multibillion dollar industry at this point and growing.

So, that's not to say it incentivizes apocalyptic research, but it does get a lot of junk science funded. If you're someone that exclusively researches specific wildlife, fauna,  etc. and your funding dries up, you're absolutely going to steer your research into that field. It's the great panacea of all natural science funding shortages.

I'm not even saying its a bad thing. The quest for knowledge will always benefit man in some way, even if misguided or under somewhat false pretenses. 'Waste' is just a matter if perception.

But to deny that there is no fiscal or ego-driven incentives to maintain and veciferously defend the narrative laid out by Hansen and his ilk is to deny reality.

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2014, 11:47:07 PM

Follow the money, brehs!

 :geoff

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 12:55:30 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 25, 2014, 12:51:05 AM

Do you want me to make you one with Friedman instead? :obama

I can do Hayek too if you really want :holeup

Who wants statist slaver scum emoticons?  :yuck

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 12:57:27 AM

I was just making a correction of your assessment of my previous position.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:08:38 AM

Actually, if I had to pick one person for something it'd be Bastiat. I just wanted to use Kropotkin for reals after you made him for Broseidon.

Bakunin or Proudhon might be better to make though as Broseidon might (?) like to use either or both of them.

Title: We have a philosophy. They have a psychology.
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:17:30 AM

Since I guess it's not getting across...

Climate science isn't a uniquely pristine and honest field.  All science is a social process carried out by humans, with all that entails.  But if you're going to dismiss a group as untrustworthy for those reasons, you're obligated to subject their critics to the same treatment, no?

Can anyone honestly scan the network of blogs and sites which make up the skeptic community and say "Yeah, these guys are totally free of confirmation bias, groupthink, or any sort of emotional/tribal/ideological/personal attachments to certain theories and ideas!"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:25:58 AM

I know you're talking to TA, but I guess the motivations don't really factor into it for me and just amplifies things, my core reasoning is probably more worth deriding.

Even assuming the two premises:
1. The models are accurate and there will be warming of 1-2 degrees over the next century.
2. That carbon control will slow or reverse climate chaos and make it manageable.

I don't see why the costs (rations, stagnation and war) will be lower than whatever the benefit of climate stability will be.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:28:00 AM

War won't happen if there aren't carbon taxes?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:31:41 AM

Let me be clear, how will the West enforce carbon controls on the rest of the world?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:33:55 AM

Oh well, if you're gonna be all "I accept juuuuuust enough of your premise that terrible things will have to happen!" then yeah, terrible things will happen.  I unreservedly concede that point.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:36:43 AM

So the missing part of the premise is that the rest of the world will willingly sacrifice economic growth because the wealthy West tells it to?

If Kenya is not following the carbon controls aren't they literally aggressing against us?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:47:04 AM

No, no, it's just that I can't quantify it because it's in the future, there's too many variables and they're mostly unknown. Assume for the sake of argument that we're actually entering an ice age and that human carbon production is holding that off. In that case reducing carbon emissions would actually be more harmful than allowing them to continue wouldn't it?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:48:16 AM

Dude.

"The US has the political will to pass and implement meaningful GHG emission reforms" is already a fiction, and only a marginally more fantastical one than "Kenya goes along for the ride."

It's like if someone was saying why Ron Paul, Jill Stein, whoever would be a good president, and I shot back with "well, they could never get anything through Congress!"  If I'm going to entertain the idea of a marginal third party candidate sitting in the Oval Office, I might as well spot them a favorable political climate to boot.

Now, when a massive climate bill is going through reconciliation, and the State Department under President Hillary is producing white papers on how best to cajole and coerce other countries into adopting the same standards, then we can talk about how international geopolitics is going to make any US legislation a moot point.  When we're discussing the vaguest of hypotheticals and "Intervene in GHG emissions?  Y/N"?  anurkist pls

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:48:39 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:47:04 AM

Assume for the sake of argument that we're actually entering an ice age and that human carbon production is holding that off. In that case reducing carbon emissions would actually be more harmful than allowing them to continue wouldn't it?

...and what if there's a vortex?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:49:44 AM

So then what's the point of caring about climate chaos denial?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:52:56 AM

Because it's obviously the roadblock to any political action in the US and has been for a couple decades at least?

To clarify, I'm not conceding that international geopolitics would make it all a moot point, just saying that it's very much a "cross that rickety, burning bridge when we get there" situation.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:55:06 AM

And by the way... Kenya!?  Not the BRIC nations, but... KENYA?

I'm gonna assume that was an attempt to play on my librul white guilt rather than pick a plausible candidate for non-compliance, cause Kenya ain't the problem.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:58:03 AM

I think this is just building way too many favorable assumptions into things. You can't discuss theoreticals or hypotheticals because that's not realistic or in the now but a projection for a century from now is the reason we need to act in some unspecified manner and we'll fix the problems later?

Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious here, I'm not being snarky or intentionally obtuse.

Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:55:06 AM

And by the way... Kenya!?  Not the BRIC nations, but... KENYA?

I'm gonna assume that was an attempt to play on my librul white guilt rather than pick a plausible candidate for non-compliance, cause Kenya ain't the problem.

I didn't want to pick China or India because that's too obvious and when thinking of African nations I immediately thought of our President's birthplace. Plus it's an "easy" country to enforce things against right?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 02:00:06 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:17:30 AM

Can anyone honestly scan the network of blogs and sites which make up the skeptic community and say "Yeah, these guys are totally free of confirmation bias, groupthink, or any sort of emotional/tribal/ideological/personal attachments to certain theories and ideas!"

Nope. But I find many of them to have differing degrees of man's culpability to changing his atmosphere/climate.
It seems less a black/white issue among them, compared to the non-skeptic sites. Although, I guess that may be the nature of the debate.

To swing this conversation back around to the beginning, the guy that people are lambasting Silver for hiring is in no way the same as Inohofe or Roy Spencer even though, if you casually read the attacks, you might think he is.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 02:01:30 AM

"Your hypothetical isn't valid until you can prove that enough people will support your political program."


...you're an ANARCHIST.  C'mon!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 02:01:51 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 25, 2014, 01:57:40 AM

We're all going to look like a bunch of jackasses anyway when we die from a massive solar proton event. Except Ubisoft.

That's why Putin's going to annex Quebec to gain access to Ubisoft Montreal and enlist them as an army.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 02:03:59 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 02:01:30 AM

"Your hypothetical isn't valid until you can prove that enough people will support your political program."


...you're an ANARCHIST.  C'mon!

???

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 02:10:34 AM

ie what's the point of supporting any voluntaryist movement?  The answer is always going to be a version of "we might not have the popular support for it currently, but it would have all these benefits if it ever happens."

Well, I'm not letting you take my "if it ever happens" away from me.  I think this is a pretty simple idea and you're a smart enough dude to grasp it.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 02:20:25 AM

Oh, okay, this is my fault. My "support" of anarchism is merely a philosophical or moral question not some "central plan" for utopia. Anarchy is the current state of reality, it is the only possible state because the rest are convenient fictions. To be anarchist is to deny the legitimacy of monopolized violence. And additionally personally is opposition to coercive violence since it's possible to recognize the illegitimacy of the state and still believe it appropriate to use coercive violence against others. For example, I figure that to be the end-state of anarcho-communism if followed through.

Is it inevitable that someone will gain outsized power and assume the position which we call a state? Sure, I'm fine with saying that, but that doesn't mean I have to accept its legitimacy even while trying to avoid it using violence against me. Nor that I can't advocate for that state to use less of its violence.

In terms of the voluntaryist movement in particular, it's because I think their rejection of the formal political process for education is smart, pursuing politics is just a waste of time and money that you could be using to buy and not play Steam games. Or mine dogecoins. Or get daps.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 02:23:00 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 02:20:25 AM

not some "central plan" for utopia

Well, neither is my stance of "let's not belch the maximal amount of GHG's into the atmosphere and see how the chips fall."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 02:25:37 AM

That's not your only stance.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 02:29:43 AM

So I do have a stance which is a utopian central plan?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 02:33:09 AM

It may not be utopian but don't you want something done using political means to stop people from "belching the maximal amount of GHG's into the atmosphere"?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 02:58:19 AM

Yup, but I don't have a pre-formed policy that I want the One Global Dictator to implement (believe me, if I did I'd have put it forward at the last ZOG meeting).

I want GHG emissions to be reduced, I realize that government intervention is the only way to achieve this, and I understand that laws are at their core backed by the threat of organized violence, even the ones we don't think of that way (when was the last shootout over the ADA?).

What I'll support or oppose or be wishy-washy about depends on what options seem to be politically feasible at a given time, the extent of the controls necessary, how the status quo has changed, blah blah blah.  So right now that means hoping the US passes something in the next decade or so to limit domestic GHG levels (ain't shit happening the next three years), and that the EU/Japan/Anglosphere takes it seriously enough to make it a priority and from there finding a way to bring Russia/China/India on board.

Which may very well be impossible.  At which point I'd strongly oppose anyone suggesting we invade those countries or bomb both of Kenya's gas stations or whatever.  If there's no way to ratchet down CO2 without massive shooting wars, then just toss me onto the mitigation/adaptation bandwagon.

But I don't think that likely failure on the international level means giving up on what would be a precondition to any small chance of success (just like I don't have high hopes for a huge diplomatic breakthrough with Iran, but I don't think Schumer and whoever should get their sanctions through cause it's a lost cause anyways), and similarly I'm more sanguine than you about the unintended consequences if a global understanding on CO2 somehow became reality.  If we're in a stealth ice age, I'm pretty confident people wouldn't have forgotten how to drill for that stuff and burn it.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 03:13:10 AM

I guess I don't see the value in limiting debate or discussion to only what's "politically feasible."

If Sarah Palin is President 2017-2025 with 67 Tea Party Republican seats in the Senate the entire time are you not going to still want greenhouse gas emissions reduced? Gay marriage? Abortion? etc.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 03:22:06 AM

Yeah, but I think "what would a better world look like?" and "what should I be harassing my Congresswoman about?" are two different, though overlapping questions.

I remember a LOT of op-eds and blog posts circa 2003-5 by people who had argued pretty vociferously for the Iraq War, with the gist of "Well, I didn't support this war, I supported a Platonic ideal of the war that Rumsfeld should have waged..."  Sort of hammered home the point that whatever your ideal outcome looks like, if you're going to start actually pulling on the levers of government, try to at least be honest with yourself and others about what you're really supporting and the likely consequences.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 03:33:57 AM

Well, that ties back to my original question. You don't want to let carbon emissions continue and see how the chips fall. But you do want to do something to reduce them and see how the chips fall, no?

So what exactly are the limiting principles here? I mean if we're to assume that carbon production causes climate chaos that causes immense damage in some manner then why under a system of carbon control should we not consider it an act of war by those who don't follow it? Why should other nations be allowed to enrich themselves at our expense while we ration?

I just think those are much more important questions to pursue answers on than whether six inspections a year or seven will get enough votes to "do something" now. Maybe it does get back to motivations, in that maybe I'm of the impression that there is no limiting principle to be found.

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 03:46:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 03:33:57 AM

So what exactly are the limiting principles here? I mean if we're to assume that carbon production causes climate chaos that causes immense damage in some manner then why under a system of carbon control should we not consider it an act of war by those who don't follow it? Why should other nations be allowed to enrich themselves at our expense while we ration?

Because my utility curve goes: World with stable temperature anomaly > world with increased climate chaos > thermonuclear war.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 03:48:00 AM

What if the only way to get the former is the latter? Anything short of that?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 03:52:45 AM

I was going to write it as "> world with stable temperature anomaly and a nuclear holocaust" but I left it out because 1) Strunk & White, 2) I very much doubt a Dr. Strangelove scenario leaves the climate in a pristine state, and 3) I'm sure benji understands how preference rankings work and won't play dumb!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 03:56:00 AM

The "limiting principle" is a cost/benefit calculation based on my personal preferences and my current perception of a constantly shifting status quo that involves limited information and vast amounts of uncertainty.  Pretty terrifying, right?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 04:00:10 AM

Nuclear winter would certainly reduce the temperature, I have no idea what a "pristine state" means for the climate.

Anyway, like I said, I'm just reluctant to use violence so if we're going to I'd like to know the bounds of when and where we're going to and why. And also why we're going to commit violence against our own citizens but not others when they're the ones harming us. The answer seems to be "trust us, the chips will fall where they're supposed to." "Oh, and somewhere short of war. Maybe. We'll have to see."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 04:13:24 AM

That's an easy one.  The sate exercises a fairly effective monopoly on force within its borders.  The US, with the biggest military, has some options for coercing or exploding citizens of other countries as well as its own, but even in that case those options are a lot less reliable and much, much more costly.

Like I said, I realize that the threat of violence by the state underpins all laws.  But the reality is that certain laws bring with them a whole lot more actual violence (by both the state and its citizens) than others, and as a rudderless pragmatist I take that into account.  If food safety regulations precipitated the same amount of violence and incarceration as the war on drugs, I'd want the FDA abolished and cross my fingers that market forces and the incentive for businesses to maintain a good reputation kept the nation's supply of hamburger relatively safe.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on March 25, 2014, 07:15:43 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 02:01:51 AM

That's why Putin's going to annex Quebec to gain access to Ubisoft Montreal and enlist them as an army.

Please, Putin would never willingly subject himself to that headache.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2014, 08:51:23 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 03:13:10 AM

If Sarah Palin is President 2017-2025 with 67 Tea Party Republican seats in the Senate the entire time are you not going to still want greenhouse gas emissions reduced? Gay marriage? Abortion? etc.

(http://i45.tinypic.com/mrwljs.jpg)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2014, 12:22:12 PM

Quote

The feud between probability wizard Nate Silver and Democratic campaigns deepened Tuesday when Silver penned a blog post saying that Democrats were "hypocritical" for criticizing his Senate forecast and then fundraising off it.

"Here’s the least surprising news: Political campaigns are hypocritical," Silver wrote. "At the same time the DSCC is criticizing our forecasts publicly, it’s sending out email pitches that cite Nate Silver’s 'shocking, scary' forecasts to compel Democrats into donating."

As TPM reported, the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee sent out a memo Monday noting that Silver has been wrong in the past about Senate races -- a day after Silver's FiveThirtyEight website released a new 2014 forecast that gave Republicans about a 60 percent chance of winning the Senate.

The Atlantic also reported that the DSCC led with Silver's "shocking, scary new Senate forecasts" in a fundraising email.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/silver-senate-democrats-hypocritical

I was about to bemoan Silver's initiation into the Serious People "Both sides are the same" club until I read that the DSCC is indeed using his comments to fund-raise. His senate projections came out a couple days ago but the DSCC has been sending emails out for months apparently. 

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2014, 12:30:12 PM

I know this was mostly talked about pages ago, but 538 is kinda garbage. Mandark covered it, but just going by a lot of the sports articles, they are mostly fluff. They take some stats and slap together a chart or graph and boom article. I think its audience is looking for more. At least I am. I know someone who interviewed for the sports editing job and the shit he writes is 10x more interesting, but he's not an experienced coder so that probably hurt him.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 12:36:06 PM

I thought the same kind of thing when Ben Smith left Politico to make Buzzfeed ...

 :'(

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on March 25, 2014, 12:44:25 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2014, 12:36:06 PM

I thought the same kind of thing when Ben Smith left Politico to make Buzzfeed ...

 :'(

i'll be honest i loved finding out which Scooby-Doo Villain I should vote for.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2014, 01:06:03 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2014, 12:30:12 PM

I know this was mostly talked about pages ago, but 538 is kinda garbage. Mandark covered it, but just going by a lot of the sports articles, they are mostly fluff. They take some stats and slap together a chart or graph and boom article. I think its audience is looking for more. At least I am. I know someone who interviewed for the sports editing job and the shit he writes is 10x more interesting, but he's not an experienced coder so that probably hurt him.

iirc you've shown me some of his stuff before.

Silver's initial plans sounded like some real stat stuff, but the actual product seems to be aiming for "pop stats" in the same way that Buzzfeed is "pop politics/news." Superficial ways to use stats to center clickbait pieces. I get why ESPN would like that, but did Silver dream of the day when he'd have a website with this as a front page headline:

"The Beatles Aren’t Bigger Than Jesus, But They Are About as Popular as Moses"

 :larry

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 25, 2014, 01:16:07 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2014, 01:06:03 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2014, 12:30:12 PM

I know this was mostly talked about pages ago, but 538 is kinda garbage. Mandark covered it, but just going by a lot of the sports articles, they are mostly fluff. They take some stats and slap together a chart or graph and boom article. I think its audience is looking for more. At least I am. I know someone who interviewed for the sports editing job and the shit he writes is 10x more interesting, but he's not an experienced coder so that probably hurt him.

iirc you've shown me some of his stuff before.

Silver's initial plans sounded like some real stat stuff, but the actual product seems to be aiming for "pop stats" in the same way that Buzzfeed is "pop politics/news." Superficial ways to use stats to center clickbait pieces. I get why ESPN would like that, but did Silver dream of the day when he'd have a website with this as a front page headline:

"The Beatles Aren’t Bigger Than Jesus, But They Are About as Popular as Moses"

 :larry

I thought you were kidding with that headline :lol

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2014, 01:44:46 PM

He's still got a ways to if he wants to catch up to the big dogs.

(http://i.imgur.com/IC1EJPB.png)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2014, 02:41:39 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/XyxcgdT.jpg)

I guess your friend just didn't have the right fields of expertise, Caole

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on March 25, 2014, 03:27:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2014, 02:41:39 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/XyxcgdT.jpg)

I guess your friend just didn't have the right fields of expertise, Caole

when the site first launched, her three were "toilets, teeth, the vatican"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 25, 2014, 04:21:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 01:48:39 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2014, 01:47:04 AM

Assume for the sake of argument that we're actually entering an ice age and that human carbon production is holding that off. In that case reducing carbon emissions would actually be more harmful than allowing them to continue wouldn't it?

...and what if there's a polar vortex?

.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2014, 04:52:57 PM

https://vine.co/v/MMVTYBhqVOd

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2014, 05:16:50 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on March 25, 2014, 04:52:57 PM

https://vine.co/v/MMVTYBhqVOd

 :derp

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 26, 2014, 11:53:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOpCHqI-4Kc

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2014, 12:45:05 PM

I love that Beck has a chalkboard handy in his studio.

In case anyone here is wondering if that Cruz Vine is dubbed I found the timestamp for GAF the other day: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWeG3UL5zT4#t=27m18s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWeG3UL5zT4#t=27m18s)

Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2014, 04:13:24 AM

If food safety regulations precipitated the same amount of violence and incarceration as the war on drugs, I'd want the FDA abolished and cross my fingers that market forces and the incentive for businesses to maintain a good reputation kept the nation's supply of hamburger relatively safe.

I think the countless number of victims with no end in sight but plenty of escalation shows how hard it is to reverse "once you pop, you can't stop."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2014, 07:14:24 PM

"...and in other news, an underground trans fat factory was raided by police earlier today. Two dozen were rounded up in the raid, while another three were killed in an exchange of gunfire as they attempted to resist officers."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2014, 07:15:39 PM

Trans fats are fine, just don't try to sell raw milk.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 26, 2014, 11:17:36 PM

I just helped someone at work the screen name "Galtexpress" brehs

He asked if he could pay in bitcoin and I told him no :jawalrus

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2014, 11:21:36 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on March 26, 2014, 11:17:36 PM

I just helped someone at work the screen name "Galtexpress" brehs

He asked if he could pay in bitcoin and I told him no :jawalrus

I hope you said DogeCoin only.  :xbone

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2014, 12:26:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9Y24MFOfFU

:american

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 27, 2014, 12:39:10 AM

You're pro-castration, Benji?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2014, 01:08:20 AM

I'm supposed to hate pigs aren't I? Or has there been some kind of mix-up?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 27, 2014, 01:26:09 PM

 :shh Don't tell our base

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/house-passes-doc-fix-voice-vote

The Republican-led House abruptly and unexpectedly passed a Medicare physician payment fix Thursday by an unrecorded voice vote, amid questions about whether the bill had the votes to clear the chamber.

It would avert a 24 percent pay cut to doctors that was set to take effect April 1.

[close]

:shh :ninja

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 03:09:26 PM

Quote

Six million Americans have signed up for private health coverage under Obamacare, multiple administration officials confirmed to TPM.

The latest enrollment milestone was first reported by ThinkProgress. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius then announced the news.

The news comes several days before Obamacare's open enrollment (mostly) closes on March 31.

The 6 million figure is significant for the White House: The Congressional Budget Office had projected last month that Obamacare would hit 6 million enrollees, revising its projection down from 7 million after HealthCare.gov's disastrous launch.

The number does not account for how many enrollees have paid their first premium, which will formally initiate their coverage.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obamacare-6-million-enrollees

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/449257197277839360
:hitler

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2014, 04:07:31 PM

6 million new Democrat voters. :hitler  :jawalrus

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 04:34:31 PM

add the Medicaid enrollees, young adults on their parents' plan, and those who signed up directly through their insurance companies and you have 11-15 million people with coverage through Obamacare.

take healthcare from 11mil people brehs  :neogaf

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 04:54:06 PM

(http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Opinion/156x195-todd-starnes.jpg)
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/27/funny-thing-happened-on-way-to-ham-sandwich/

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2014, 05:00:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 04:34:31 PM

take healthcare from 11mil people brehs  :neogaf

Challenge accepted.

(http://i.imgur.com/43sZJ.png)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2014, 05:29:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 04:54:06 PM

(http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Opinion/156x195-todd-starnes.jpg)
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/27/funny-thing-happened-on-way-to-ham-sandwich/

The hell

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 27, 2014, 06:15:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 04:54:06 PM

(http://global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Opinion/156x195-todd-starnes.jpg)
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/03/27/funny-thing-happened-on-way-to-ham-sandwich/

That poor guy doesn't realize that yes, French cheese is oftentimes in it's own place.  Along with lots, and lots, and lots of food from different countries.

Actually why am I responding to that?  Thats' the dumbest fucking thing I've read in like 2 days.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2014, 09:13:44 PM

Quote

Iowa Senate - Jacobs vs. Braley   Rasmussen Reports   Braley 41, Jacobs 38   Braley +3
Iowa Senate - Ernst vs. Braley   Rasmussen Reports   Braley 40, Ernst 37   Braley +3
Iowa Senate - Whitaker vs. Braley   Rasmussen Reports   Braley 40, Whitaker 36   Braley +4
Iowa Senate - Clovis vs. Braley   Rasmussen Reports   Braley 44, Clovis 31   Braley +13

Todd Akin 2.0 in trouble.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 07:55:13 AM

http://themissouritorch.com/blog/2014/03/27/sikeston-teacher-tearfully-describes-bullying-intimidation-suffered-opposing-common-core-video/

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When you think about bullying in public schools, it’s generally in the context of a bigger kid picking on a smaller kid.  According to Susan Kimball, a kindergarten teacher of 20 years in the Sikeston Public School District, it’s administrators and fellow teachers bullying and intimidating her, all because she opposes Common Core.

At yesterday’s Senate Education Committee hearing, Kimball testified she has suffered from bullying and intimidation since she began speaking out about the controversial standards.

:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLc_hqVoUuc

:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2014, 08:44:03 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 07:55:13 AM

According to Susan Kimball, a kindergarten teacher of 20 years in the Sikeston Public School District, it’s administrators and fellow teachers bullying and intimidating her, all because she opposes Common Core.

:comeon

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2014, 08:57:39 AM

The ONLY problem with common core is Obama signed off on it. My wife doesn't care for it because she feels like she is given a script to read instead of teaching. I tell her that it's because she has a masters degree and knows how to teach. Common core is a crutch for the charter school teachers who don't have the same level of education as she does.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2014, 08:58:35 AM

The person who actually pushed Common Core the most is the super-conservative governor of Oklahoma! :sabu

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 09:00:13 AM

I like the idea that the other female teachers are meeting her in the bathroom or waiting after school, while smoking obviously, holding her personal curriculum over her head or scattering it all over the floor/ground as they laugh.

"Why are you hitting yourself? Why are you hitting yourself? Does baby want her curriculum?"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 28, 2014, 09:36:15 AM

 :lol

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on March 28, 2014, 11:11:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2014, 03:09:26 PM

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/449257197277839360
:hitler

:beli Wtf...

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 08:26:04 PM

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Q.
What are the risks from allowing an ever-increasing concentration of wealth and incomes? Is there a point when inequality becomes intolerable? Does history offer any lessons in this regard?

A.
U.S. inequality is now close to the levels of income concentration that prevailed in Europe around 1900-10. History suggests that this kind of inequality level is not only useless for growth, it can also lead to a capture of the political process by a tiny high-income and high-wealth elite.

:what

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The ideal solution is a progressive tax on individual net wealth. This will foster wealth mobility and keep concentration under control and under public scrutiny. Of course other institutions and policies can also play an important role: Inflation can reduce the value of public debt

:snoop

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 28, 2014, 08:32:04 PM

Ain't wrong tho :jawalrus

:ufup :paul

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on March 28, 2014, 08:41:35 PM

Abolish private property, yo

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 08:42:50 PM

Significant inflation and chasing your tail trying to suppress wealth creation is going to be real good for the poor.

And this ain't wrong?

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Europe around 1900-10. ... it can also lead to a capture of the political process by a tiny high-income and high-wealth elite.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 08:46:58 PM

Abolishing private property would be a much better idea, then you can get right to having an entrenched political elite that distributes goods only to the politically favorable "masses" instead of trying to nudge nature in the "right" direction.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2014, 09:21:46 PM

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Another thing that Piketty doesn’t adequately consider is the possibility that inequality, in some of its dimensions, is not rising at all. His book largely focusses on Europe and the United States. At the global level, substantial progress has been made in dragging people out of destitution, and extending their lives. In 1981, according to figures from the World Bank, about two in five members of humanity were forced to subsist on roughly a dollar a day. Today, the figure is down to about one in seven. In the early nineteen-fifties, the average life expectancy in developing countries was forty-two years. By 2010, it had risen to sixty-eight years. “Life is better now than at almost any time in history,” Angus Deaton, a Princeton economist, wrote in his 2013 book, “The Great Escape: Health, Wealth, and the Origins of Inequality.” “More people are richer and fewer people live in dire poverty. Lives are longer and parents no longer routinely watch a quarter of their children die.”

[redacted]

Still, some people would argue that wage stagnation and rising inequality in the developed world are an acceptable price to pay for the benefits experienced by the worst off. Piketty doesn’t really address this question. He glosses over China’s success, during the past three decades, in lifting hundreds of millions of people out of extreme poverty. He spends more time detailing the fact that, during that interval, income inequality has been sharply rising in China, and in other developing countries, too. Yet the global picture may complicate his own account of inequality in the developed West. He doesn’t seriously consider the argument that globalization—and the rise of nations like China and India—is at once holding down wages and pushing up the profitability of capital, boosting inequality at both ends.

Disregard people of color brehs.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 09:23:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 08:46:58 PM

nature

hm

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 09:26:44 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on March 28, 2014, 08:43:17 PM

The premise here is incorrect.

Why else would you want to tax net wealth if not to try and suppress wealth creation which is what leads to the inequalities in the first place? (Both in a free market and the grossly distorted semi-fascistic market we have today.)

As a side note, how many times do you think you can tax net wealth and still get something back?

Assume the equivalent of a 30% tax on net wealth greater than a billion, Bill Gates had $101 billion in 1999, this fell to $77 billion now and went further down inbetween. But assume a linear decrease in wealth for annual spending/donating/bad investment choices/etc. Gates' remaining wealth would look like this:
2000: $69 billion
2001: $46.6 billion
2002: $30.9 billion
2003: $19.9 billion
2004: $12.3 billion
2005: $6.9 billion
2006: $3.1 billion
2007: $482 million
Can't go further because he falls out of our hypothetical 30% bracket.

That's a $570 billion difference in Gates' assets over those nine years. And the tax has brought in $87 billion*, or $9.7 billion a year on average. (Really less than that from 2002-2007.) So you've bought a couple more bombs to drop on Afghanistan and Iraq by bringing forward the cashing out of the Gates' assets and taxing them. Hooray! Equality!

I couldn't even find the time to waste if we were also tossing in 10+% inflation.

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*Which I actually did vote for, before I voted against it.

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Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 09:29:50 PM

Choose declining wealth as an exogenous parameter for your model of the rich, brehs.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 09:38:42 PM

Picking Zuckerberg instead isn't going to change the outcome over time. All eliminating the linear decrease in Gates' wealth would do is extend him falling out of the bracket to 2012 and gain you an extra $10 billion in tax over the first nine years.

And raise the thirteen year tax revenue to a whopping $100 billion.  :o

I was also granting the good faith to billionaires that they'd actually pay the tax instead of avoiding it and using it to suppress future competition.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 09:48:24 PM

I'm pretty sure if you picked Zuckerberg and did the same thing you did with Gates (assuming a linear change in net worth extrapolated from the 1999 and 2014 data points), then finding the rate for a wealth tax which keeps his total worth static and brings in revenues ad infinitum is just a matter of algebra.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 09:52:06 PM

I assumed the linear change as a favor to the taxing net wealth side. The reality would have brought in far lower revenues, especially if expanded to billionaires as a whole.

In any case, the point remains. You will run out of net wealth to confiscate at some point.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 09:57:11 PM

Say we pick Zuckerberg, go from the Google Facebook IPO to now.  Linear increase of $5B a year to $28.5B currently.  Set a tax rate of 17% and his net wealth never goes down while providing $5B/year to feed starving orphans from now until the Rapture.  Bingo bango.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on March 28, 2014, 10:02:55 PM

Wealth should not be confiscated from the wealth-creators. Wealth-creators should get the full value of what they produce.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 10:13:33 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 09:57:11 PM

Say we pick Zuckerberg, go from the Google Facebook IPO to now.  Linear increase of $5B a year to $28.5B currently.  Set a tax rate of 17% and his net wealth never goes down while providing $5B/year to feed starving orphans from now until the Rapture.  Bingo bango.

You're going to tax billionaires hoarded wealth less than the working poors wages?
 :neogaf

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 10:25:06 PM

Aw, benj.  You got caught with your thumb on the scale and now you're deflecting.

I'm actually a bit disappointed with someone on the internet.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 10:28:51 PM

How did I get "caught" at anything? :lol

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 10:34:10 PM

You threw together a model whose assumptions and presentation were pretty deliberately picked to give a certain result.  Why assume declining wealth?  Why present the cost to Gates as dollars*years and the benefit to the government as dollars/years?

I know this is some napkin modeling shit and not a paper for publication or anything, but really.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 10:47:32 PM

Yeah, it was napkin modeling just to pick one well known super rich dude (with fairly clear year to year "net worth" estimations) to illustrate a point that if you actually set the rate to decrease wealth inequality eventually you run out of net wealth to redistribute. I'm not saying your Zuckerberg example isn't a "better" idea in terms of policy but that wouldn't reduce the inequality because he'd still have the billions upon billions in his mattress while the pittance you're redistributing from him won't budge anyone below it very much if at all.

In any case I think wealth taxes + inflating away debt is nowhere close to a viable "solution" because the ultrarich won't pay it, the state won't make them, it'll just set more barriers to entry for lower tier wealth-creators, you won't collect the revenue expected, you will inflict the most pain on those who can't escape it and destroy wealth at all levels in the process. (Plus Karakand's quoted passage.) And that taxing wealth is an instance where you're actually taxing something close to zero sum because returns aren't enough to stabilize against a tax that actually takes a dent out of wealth accumulation. Not to mention that the concept of net wealth/worth is entirely nebulous, until this week did anyone think Occulus was worth $2.4 billion? Will it be in a year? Etc. You can't tax assets only when they're sold as a proxy for taxing net wealth/worth. And allowing the state full power to assess value leads to problems like a lot of people have been facing where their property taxes exceed the market value of their home by three or four times.

At least we can all agree I'm right about his Europe 1900-1910 example/lesson/theory? Right?

Right?  :fbm

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 11:23:41 PM

Oh yeah, off the bat I don't think a tax on excess wealth is a good idea at all.  Just an absolute mess to enforce, an invitation for all sorts of regulatory capture and all that jazz.  I just think you can make that point without stacking the deck.  My Zuckerberg example wasn't meant to have any value whatsoever as policy, it was just to point out that--if you set up the problem in the way you did--anyone could easily engineer the result they wanted to hear by finagling a couple of the variables involved.

You're skeptical of overreaching empirical studies, I'm outright allergic to representative consumer models.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2014, 11:24:51 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on March 28, 2014, 10:02:55 PM

Wealth should not be confiscated from the wealth-creators. Wealth-creators should get the full value of what they produce.

 :teehee

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 11:27:29 PM

The real real real truth is that I did it because I had Gates' peak wealth and this years estimate and didn't want to look up his actual yearly estimates. :lol

Justifying your model backwards theoretically to cover up laziness.  :punch

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2014, 11:32:56 PM

Maybe my timeline of European history is messed up but this:

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Europe around 1900-10. ... it can also lead to a capture of the political process by a tiny high-income and high-wealth elite.

Just seems backwards to me. I think the tiny high-income and high-wealth elite had control of the political process in most of Europe for a few years before and during that period rather than obtaining it at the turn of the century thanks to income inequality.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 28, 2014, 11:59:39 PM

Well, knowing basically nothing about Europe at that time, my first instinct is to not take him seriously there.  "If we approach a certain threshold on economic factor X, then we will suffer from the sociopolitical effect Y as we can see from example Z, even though it was in a completely different historical context and I'm simplifying anyway."

I mean, there are all sorts of reasons to believe that increased wealth means increased political access/influence/power to one degree or another, but I'm not a fan of "it's just like that one other time!" stories.

Also, he was maybe referring to the wealth and influence of industrialists and bankers around that time, which would have been a shift from the traditional landed gentry?  Again, I know shit about Europe around then, so whatevs.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 12:02:20 AM

GET OUTTA MY HEAD, ESCH

Was gonna make that exact comparison, but didn't want to Google their names and make the post even longer.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 12:09:31 AM

I just find it strange to refer to nations ruled by kings and princes with mostly irrelevant legislatures as being recently "captured" by a tiny elite.

I would think the the rise of the newer classes towards parity with the "nobles" had more to do with the overthrow of the existing power structure and move towards liberal democracies or in the East, Leninist utopia. But there's two little kerfuffles that might be a factor as well.

But maybe it's just his short answer to the question. Or maybe he just is talking about the UK or whatever. (Which is also weird because the Gladstone Liberals were on the way out in favor of essentially a more Socialist/Labour Liberal Party that enacted all sorts of those things trying to stave off the real Socialist/Labour.)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 12:12:33 AM

Also a fave: QE will turn us into Zimbabwe.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 12:21:10 AM

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Given that inequality is a worldwide phenomenon, Piketty aptly has a worldwide solution for it: a global tax on wealth combined with higher rates of tax on the largest incomes. How much higher? Referring to work that he has done with Saez and Stefanie Stantcheva, of M.I.T., Piketty reports, “According to our estimates, the optimal top tax rate in the developed countries is probably above eighty per cent.” Such a rate applied to incomes greater than five hundred thousand or a million dollars a year “not only would not reduce the growth of the US economy but would in fact distribute the fruits of growth more widely while imposing reasonable limits on economically useless (or even harmful) behavior.”

Piketty is referring here to the occasionally destructive activities of Wall Street traders and investment bankers. His new wealth tax would be like an annual property tax, but it would apply to all forms of wealth. Households would be obliged to declare their net worth to the tax authorities, and they would be taxed upon it. Piketty tentatively suggests a levy of one per cent for households with a net worth of between one million and five million dollars; and two per cent for those worth more than five million. “Or one might prefer a much more steeply progressive tax on large fortunes (for example a rate of 5 to 10 percent on assets above one billion euros),” he adds. A wealth tax would force individuals who often manage to avoid other taxes to pay their fair share; and it would generate information about the distribution of wealth, which is currently opaque. “Some people think that the world’s billionaires have so much money that it would be enough to tax them at a low rate to solve all the world’s problems,” Piketty notes. “Others believe that there are so few billionaires that nothing much would come of taxing them more heavily. . . . In any case, truly democratic debate cannot proceed without reliable statistics.”

Economists can debate whether such a wealth tax would reduce incentives to invest and innovate, or whether it would be punitive enough to make a real dent in inequality. A more immediate problem is that it isn’t going to happen: the nations of the world can’t agree on taxing harmful carbon emissions, let alone taxing the capital of their richest and most powerful citizens. Piketty concedes as much. Still, he says, his proposal provides a standard against which to judge other proposals; it points to the need for other useful reforms, such as improving international banking transparency; and it could be introduced in stages. A good place to begin, he thinks, would be a European wealth tax that would replace the property tax, which “in most countries is tantamount to a wealth tax on the propertied middle class.” But that may be utopian, too. If the European Union moved ahead with Piketty’s proposal, it would produce a rush to tax havens like Switzerland and Luxembourg. Previous efforts to introduce wealth taxes at the national level have run into problems. Spain, for example, adopted a wealth tax in 2012 and abolished it at the start of this year. In Italy, a wealth tax proposed in 2011 never went through. Such difficulties explain why governments still rely on other, admittedly imperfect, tools to tax capital, such as taxes on property, estates, and capital gains.

Oh, a global tax that would tax Americans up to 80% and reduce economic growth and "economically useless" behavior, that's all huh.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 12:24:45 AM

I support those proposals solely on the basis of the inevitable op-eds by rich dudes that are going to come out crying over them.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on March 29, 2014, 12:30:58 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 12:12:33 AM

Also a fave: QE will turn us into Zimbabwe.

black racist dictator tho...

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 12:49:45 AM

Was looking at that book on my Kindle to see if it was in the Lending Library (it's not) and it recommended this to me instead:
http://www.amazon.com/The-Tyranny-Experts-Economists-Dictators/dp/0465031250
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41bNNGKm2HL.jpg)

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Over the last century, global poverty has largely been viewed as a technical problem that merely requires the right “expert” solutions. Yet all too often, experts recommend solutions that fix immediate problems without addressing the systemic political factors that created them in the first place. Further, they produce an accidental collusion with “benevolent autocrats,” leaving dictators with yet more power to violate the rights of the poor.

But I'm leaning more towards this:
http://www.amazon.com/Money-Blood-Revolution-Charles-economics-ebook/dp/B00I8KEDO8/
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41SfoYqXOiL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-v3-big,TopRight,0,-55_SX278_SY278_PIkin4,BottomRight,1,22_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)
Because it has a hashtag:

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Taking readers on a gripping tour of scientific revolution, social upheaval and the secrets of money and debt, this is an unmissable read for anyone curious to understand how the world really works - and the amazing future of economics. #autoshambles

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on March 29, 2014, 12:55:28 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 12:09:31 AM

I just find it strange to refer to nations ruled by kings and princes with mostly irrelevant legislatures as being recently "captured" by a tiny elite.

I would think the the rise of the newer classes towards parity with the "nobles" had more to do with the overthrow of the existing power structure and move towards liberal democracies or in the East, Leninist utopia. But there's two little kerfuffles that might be a factor as well.

But maybe it's just his short answer to the question. Or maybe he just is talking about the UK or whatever. (Which is also weird because the Gladstone Liberals were on the way out in favor of essentially a more Socialist/Labour Liberal Party that enacted all sorts of those things trying to stave off the real Socialist/Labour.)

The Third Duma was basically what he described--business and land owners more or less seizing legislative power from competing voices (e.g. the squabbling factions of the RSDLP).

e: I wouldn't call the legislatures of the UK, Third French Republic, German Empire, or Austria-Hungary irrelevant in this time period, either.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2014, 01:17:54 AM

The last two pages are why people get turned off by politics. We can't discuss economics without first acknowledging the deficit is a problem, and if we don't cut entitlements soon the system will collapse.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 01:21:02 AM

Forget those, benji, this is what you want to read:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/716Aqmx1ecL.jpg) (http://www.amazon.com/Red-Plenty-Francis-Spufford/dp/1555976042)

That was my favorite book the year I read it, and should be right in your wheelhouse.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 01:35:15 AM

He's trolling, the deficit isn't the problem, the DEBT IS. And it's all because of Obama's TSA rape scanners.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2014, 01:45:43 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 29, 2014, 01:24:44 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2014, 01:17:54 AM

The last two pages are why people get turned off by politics. We can't discuss economics without first acknowledging the deficit is a problem, and if we don't cut entitlements soon the system will collapse.

You know, this post made me realize this topic is about ~70% sarcasm.

I can't even tell when people are trolling anymore.

Just wait until you realize Mandark is a libertarian and ToxicAdam is a liberal. We are but pawns in the never ending struggle between law and chaos. Thank god for Broseiden, the cosmic balance.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 02:05:35 AM

I like to think PD's trolling is an elaborate double-game and he's the same home-schooled creationist he was when he first registered.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 29, 2014, 03:03:07 AM

 :flabbypd

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2014, 03:15:38 AM

I still genuinely believe most of the world's problems could be solved by publicly executing the Koch brothers.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 03:48:29 AM

Had you even heard of either of them before the summer of 2010?

EDIT: Not to call you out personally or imply anything about you or anyone else, I'm just fascinated by how quickly and solidly they've become Goldstein. They basically don't even exist on Google Trends before then.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 05:07:05 AM

It's almost all post-Citizens United, right?  A lot of liberals were really worried about corporate money flooding into politics after that and the Koch brothers are like the perfect avatar for that fear.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 07:08:14 AM

Yeah, but even more this article is the epicenter: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?currentPage=all

It's a fair worry from the left point of view, Google Trends doesn't go back far enough (starts in 2004) but there's a massive even bigger spike for George Soros around the 2004 election. IIRC, he got traction around the Iraq invasion which is why he's not at zero at the start of GT's history. In this case from a GOP panic. (Remember 527s?)

It's just interesting to me that not only do you see Soros and Koch all over comment sections but you go in Poli-GAF or what have you and there's talk about the Koch Brothers as if they have some secret magical powers.

When both Soros and the Kochs have been activate in politics for decades, but they suddenly get discovered and they're thrown out constantly. Like they're lurking behind the scenes and buying elections. When there's been equivalently more spent directly by people like Ross Perot, Michael Huffington, Linda McMahon (twice!), Meg Whitman, etc. in specific races that amounted to nothing. And the Koch's have been funding the libertarian movement for decades for the great return on investment that's been. At least Soros' marijuana legalization and transition in Hungary investment and bet against the Pound has paid off or is starting to. At least ranting about Obama or W. Bush is someone of actual tangible power.

And you have supposedly serious people like Robert Reich posting this somewhat misleading (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/15/kochs-brothers-labor_n_4966883.html) chart a couple days ago:
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t31.0-8/s720x720/1781860_765864106759521_969130236_o.png)

Or this from Senators:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dthV5bNGMu8
Even ignoring the "un-American" silliness, I think it's funny when he says "no two people should have that big of influence on politics" when what were Obama/Romney supposed to be?

Tom Steyer is apparently the San Francisco billionaire Joe mentions, guess he's a new Soros.

I don't know, maybe it's not that interesting.  :lol

(http://www.opensecrets.org/news/Koch%20vs%20Soros.jpg)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2014, 08:13:53 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2014, 02:05:35 AM

I like to think PD's trolling is an elaborate double-game and he's the same home-schooled creationist he was when he first registered.

You got a missing link to prove that?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2014, 08:28:34 AM

Infamous beanie  :leon

EDIT: Or PaRappa?  :ohhh

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 29, 2014, 09:36:50 AM

Can we all just agree that the Roberts court is the worst thing ever?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 29, 2014, 10:08:16 AM

Oh, they probably did something stupid recently, but I can't be bothered to look up an specific example. Or just wait a week or so when the Roberts court rules that a corporation can enforce its religious beliefs on its employees.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2014, 02:01:34 PM

Geraldo is a comedy goldmine.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 30, 2014, 02:55:48 PM

lol:

https://www.facebook.com/SenatorTedCruz/posts/517779935000978

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2014, 03:50:38 PM

that dude got pieced by Geraldo :rofl

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 12:08:43 PM

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WASHINGTON — President Obama's healthcare law, despite a rocky rollout and determined opposition from critics, already has spurred the largest expansion in health coverage in America in half a century, national surveys and enrollment data show.

As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

The tally draws from a review of state and federal enrollment reports, surveys and interviews with insurance executives and government officials nationwide.

Quote

Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:

• At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

• A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.

• At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.

• An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

• About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.

• Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,5472960.story#ixzz2xYbIFULV

:obama

Conservatives have been crying for weeks about the law being a failure since so many of those who have bought plans had previously had insurance - so they weren't "uninsured." I notice that in general the right has completely ignored the fact that millions of uninsured have been covered due to the Medicaid expansion and the young people now on their parents plan, among other things.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 12:21:20 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkEYeIuCAAAyfJf.jpg)
 :neogaf

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on March 31, 2014, 12:34:19 PM

Fox News bullgraphs  :lol

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2014, 12:47:29 PM

Pretty good graph, but it can't touch the king:

(http://i.imgur.com/0xS3rCg.jpg)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on March 31, 2014, 01:28:43 PM

Still haven't got shit on graphics card manufacturers.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2014, 02:51:13 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/pDgaxeG.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/NHWJ18n.jpg)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on March 31, 2014, 02:53:59 PM

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As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

If around 6 million signed up through the exchanges, that would mean 3.5 million signed up through medicaid. That doesn't seem right. Weren't there way more people on medicaid?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2014, 02:56:54 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on March 31, 2014, 02:53:59 PM

Quote

As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

If around 6 million signed up through the exchanges, that would mean 3.5 million signed up through medicaid. That doesn't seem right. Weren't there way more people on medicaid?

The 6 million also includes people who had insurance before the Healthcare.gov roll out, but have chosen to get better/different/cheaper insurance through the exchange.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2014, 02:57:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 12:08:43 PM

Quote

WASHINGTON — President Obama's healthcare law, despite a rocky rollout and determined opposition from critics, already has spurred the largest expansion in health coverage in America in half a century, national surveys and enrollment data show.

As the law's initial enrollment period closes, at least 9.5 million previously uninsured people have gained coverage. Some have done so through marketplaces created by the law, some through other private insurance and others through Medicaid, which has expanded under the law in about half the states.

The tally draws from a review of state and federal enrollment reports, surveys and interviews with insurance executives and government officials nationwide.

Quote

Precise figures on national health coverage will not be available for months. But available data indicate:

• At least 6 million people have signed up for health coverage on the new marketplaces, about one-third of whom were previously uninsured.

• A February survey by consulting firm McKinsey & Co. found 27% of new enrollees were previously uninsured, but newer survey data from the nonprofit Rand Corp. and reports from marketplace officials in several states suggest that share increased in March.

• At least 4.5 million previously uninsured adults have signed up for state Medicaid programs, according to Rand's unpublished survey data, which were shared with The Times. That tracks with estimates from Avalere Health, a consulting firm that is closely following the law's implementation.

• An additional 3 million young adults have gained coverage in recent years through a provision of the law that enables dependent children to remain on their parents' health plans until they turn 26, according to national health insurance surveys from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

• About 9 million people have bought health plans directly from insurers, instead of using the marketplaces, Rand found. The vast majority of these people were previously insured.

• Fewer than a million people who had health plans in 2013 are now uninsured because their plans were canceled for not meeting new standards set by the law, the Rand survey indicates.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-uninsured-national-20140331,0,5472960.story#ixzz2xYbIFULV

:obama

Conservatives have been crying for weeks about the law being a failure since so many of those who have bought plans had previously had insurance - so they weren't "uninsured." I notice that in general the right has completely ignored the fact that millions of uninsured have been covered due to the Medicaid expansion and the young people now on their parents plan, among other things.

OR HAVE THEY??

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/03/31/1288596/-GOP-senator-claims-White-House-cooking-the-books-on-Obamacare-enrollment-surge

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 31, 2014, 03:30:59 PM

Let's talk about MARINE TODD.

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--zq2lr1Cx--/c_fit,fl_progressive,w_636/ozqgru8jdxj1vlzdhgol.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj7L0HoCEAAROvp.png:large)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2014, 03:35:35 PM

:american

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 31, 2014, 03:36:53 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjw8uXeCMAA8aMq.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bjwv1ZPCMAA6FbR.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on March 31, 2014, 03:46:15 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on March 31, 2014, 03:30:59 PM

Let's talk about MARINE TODD.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj7L0HoCEAAROvp.png:large)

"A Real Battle With Real Atheists, Muslims: How the Tea Party Saved America: The Allen West Story: An American Ronin Goes to Washington"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on March 31, 2014, 03:55:07 PM

"After repeated assault offenses, Marine Todd was dishonorably discharged. Now he's just unemployed Todd and no colleges will accept him."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on March 31, 2014, 03:58:07 PM

Sampler Fi.

Fuck those muslim atheist 9/11 professors

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2014, 04:35:31 PM

THankS! For the enspiring storys MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT AMERICA! During such hard times! USA!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2014, 04:39:59 PM

Those ODUMBO worshipers never learn do they LOL

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2014, 05:34:06 PM

Marine Todd was excited to take his History of America course, he loved America and considered himself an amateur historian. He made sure to get their early so he could grab a seat in the front row, unfortunately due to his family commitments he had not had time to begin reading the textbooks and hoped that the professor would forgive him.

The professor came in, he was of average height with a beard and glasses though a little on the skinny side. Marine Todd gave him a big smile, the professor returned with a scowl.

Upon starting class the professor opened with "This class is about the history of America. The history of America is one of oppression, exploitation and imperialism. In short, America is evil." Marine Todd was shocked, but surely this must be some kind of rhetorical argument, he listened further: "The history of America is one of massacres and genocides, one of poverty and despair, one of theocracy and patriarchy, one of an endless lies told to mindless robots." At this last point he seemed to look at Marine Todd. "Any questions?"

Marine Todd raised his hand and asked "what about all the good things America has done?"

"What good things?" the professor snarled.

"Well, I have friends who were on the ships the Navy sent to bring fresh water and supplies to the victims of the Tsunami in-"

The professor cut him off "the Tsunami the American Empire caused through exploiting the natives, forcing them into poverty and then using the stolen resources to cause global warming which created the Tsunami. The lies your ignorant jarhead friends have been told are not accepted in a classroom only facts are, and the facts are that those ships were sent to preserve the American hold on those colonies."

Marine Todd had had it so he respectfully replied "those aren't our colonies, and that's just one example of the greatness of America!"

The professor growled "if you're such an expert, maybe you'd like to teach the class?" He sat in a seat, arms folded, waiting for Marine Todd to step up.

Marine Todd was nervous, he had been in Tora Bora but this was different. But he recognized that this was just another battle, another war he had to fight in for America. Even more important than the others he had. This was a fight for America's soul.

So Marine Todd stepped to the front of the class and began telling the students about the American Revolution, the Judeo-Christian founding of the nation, the Bill of Rights, the Emanicipation Proclamation, the saving of Europe in World War II, the Marshall Plan, the Civil Rights Movement, the Reagan Revolution, the Republican Revolution, the heros of 9/11 and the rise of the Tea Party.

At this point, Marine Todd noticed that all his classmates were furiously scribbling notes on what he was talking about. And that the professor had disappeared.

So Marine Todd asked "uh...any questions?" One student asked if the country really was founded on Judeo-Christian principles since he had been told differently in high school.

Just as Marine Todd began to explain the strong faith of the founders, the professor burst back into the room with a school administrator in tow. The professor pleaded with the administrator to call the police to remove the "unruly and warmonger" student. The administrator announced that Marine Todd would be expelled for hate speech.

Luckily, Marine Todd had read the Student Handbook and knew he was entitled to due process. So Marine Todd pleaded not just his case but the case for America in front of a panel of stern looking Board members. After a brief conferral, the head of the Board looked Marine Todd straight in the eye and said "Semper Fi."

Marine Todd is now head of the History Department, teaching regular classes on the faith and spirit of America, while also spending time to raise his family and help promote a remarkable revival of Christian values on the campus. He has been voted Best Person on Campus year after year by the students who love the strong values and morals he's brought to the once God-less halls. Not to mention weekly celebrations of America and what she stands for.

The professor now blogs unpaid for the Huffington Post.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2014, 06:06:54 PM

...I can't be the only one that hears this in his head when I read a Marine Todd story, right? RIGHT???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFwXmz1KGoQ

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2014, 07:06:29 PM

I hear that in my head 24/7 no matter what I'm doing.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 31, 2014, 07:07:51 PM

crossposting from fb on a thread about fox news statistics:

MATH IS A LIBERAL CONSPIRACY

son, lemme tell u a lil story

there was this marine who went to a university math course taught by a famous egghead perfessor type. the marine was attending the class one day when the liberal egghead math professor said "THERE ARE SOME PEOPLE WHO ARE SO STUPID THAT THEY BELIEVE 1 + 1 + 1 = 1! THEY ARE CHRISTIANS!" the lie-brul egghead strode around the room. "if their stupid GOD can prove me wrong in 15 minutes, i'll stop aborting babies!"

the marine waited 14:59 minutes and then strode up to the smirking obama-loving egghead and punched him three times. "one punch for the constitution, plus one punch for jesus christ the lord my savior, plus one punch for the marine corps of america equals ONE KNOCKED OUT ATHEIST LIBRUL NERD. semper fi, ya pinko traitor!"

the professor started crying and the marine fucked all the girls in the class plus a really cute dude but it wasn't any unconstitutional homo shit.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2014, 08:01:12 PM

Marine Todd was doing Christmas shopping for his favorite Christian Charities when there was a ruckus at the cash register. "What did you say to me?!?"

Always looking to be helpful and peacemaking Marine Todd rushed over to see what the hubbub was: "What's going on?"

A man of about five foot six wearing a brown jacket and glasses stated "this person had the gall to say Merry Christmas in public instead of Happy Holidays. That's a violation of my First Amendment rights."

Marine Todd apologetically said to the man "I'm sorry sir, but that's not what the First Amendment means. And if anyone is denigrating anyone rights it's you who wishes to take away the Christian faith of this country."

The man started sputtering "how-how-how dare you! The First Amendment! Separation of Church and State!" But Marine Todd recited the First Amendment verbatim and then described the faith of the founders and how they celebrated Christmas along with the true meaning of Jefferson's words. He then grabbed the man by the scruff of the neck and threw him through the sliding glass doors into the parking lot.

The entire store burst out in applause, the manager came rushing out to tell Marine Todd to not worry about the cost of the door "as that's my Christmas gift to you." The beautiful cashier girl was so thankful she handed Marine Todd her phone number.

Marine Todd then wished everyone a MERRY CHRISTMAS and pushed the cart full of gifts for the orphans out of the store as the customers and employees began singing "O Come All Ye Faithful."

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 08:05:23 PM

Time to write a Marine Todd/Pajama Boy slashfic.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2014, 08:20:59 PM

Mmm... I'm gonna need a cigarette tomorrow after watching the media studiously ignore that his budget adds up about as well as a cat could manage in their vain, Ahab like quest for an intelligent Republican tomorrow, brehs. SO DELICIOUS.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-budget-release

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 08:27:25 PM

oh man, I need a dose of seriousness in my life. can't wait to learn from the feet of the master, the only serious man who understands the serious problem we as a nation are seriously faced with.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 31, 2014, 08:32:19 PM

I can't wait to see how he's going to screw over the poor this time!

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 10:58:02 PM

Quote

WASHINGTON (AP) - AP sources: Obama's health care law on track to hit 7 million sign-ups on deadline day.

(http://i.imgur.com/dG4nbPV.gif)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2014, 11:18:47 PM

Just wait, this is going to result in a whole shitload of "Obamacare is 7.5 billion over budget!" stories in the coming days and weeks...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

...in February they revised down the initial expected number to like a million fewer people signing up, and a 9 billion savings. Now that more people are signing up than they predicted in the February revision, OBUMMER CARE IS COMING FOR YOUR MONEY :teehee

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Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 11:58:22 PM

Definitely. They've been pretty damn good at shifting goal posts or maintaining a consistent attack line. First it was the issue of plans being cancelled (which admittedly was a legit problem). Then it was the freakout over alleged security breaches that never materialized. Then the "who has paid their premiums" meme started. Now remember, if you signed up in March you're coverage doesn't start until May 1st...meaning you don't have to pay your premium for awhile.

Even Ted Cruz got in on the trolling with a Brietbart story about Mexican officials signing people up for coverage.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 01, 2014, 09:17:09 AM

Quote from: http://www.mediaite.com/online/ted-cruzs-obamacare-facebook-poll-totally-backfires-on-him/

Last Monday, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) posted a “quick poll” on his Facebook page asking his followers if they are “better off” now than before the Affordable Care Act passed four years earlier. A week later with the Obamacare sign-up deadline upon us, the unscientific results and in and they likely aren’t what Cruz was expecting.

Cruz neglected to use Facebook’s official poll feature, instead asking people to comment with a simple “YES” or “NO.” After seven days, the post has accumulated more than 47,000 comments with a startling number of people answering in the affirmative. The way Facebook works, the comments with the most “Likes” rise to the top of the post. As you can see by viewing the comments on the post below, every single one of the most-liked comments answers a resounding “Yes” to Cruz’s question.

:rofl

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2014, 10:04:12 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/deOcwKL.png)

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 01, 2014, 02:35:59 PM

Holy shit I've got a orthapaedic surgeon railing against Obamacare on a friend's facebook feed.

"Lost my insurance as of today. they have not got it together here in vermont and I applied in October."

This dude is an actual, very wealthy heart surgeon and most likely a liar.  The tears.  So sweet. :lawd

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 01, 2014, 02:48:46 PM

 :noah

 I remember when people were saying 3-4 was what it was going to end at.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 01, 2014, 03:03:34 PM

I also know at least 9 people that now have health insurance thanks to this, and that's just the people that have come out and said they're covered.  All of them under 35. 

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2014, 03:35:35 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 01, 2014, 02:45:48 PM

Beat the 7 million and may go even higher

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/obamacare-enrollment-deadline-special-enrollment-105239.html?hp=l2 (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/obamacare-enrollment-deadline-special-enrollment-105239.html?hp=l2)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

A total of 7,041,000 people enrolled, Carney said, and that number doesn’t include sign ups that took place in recent days through state exchanges.

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I'd probably bust a spontaneous hands-free nut if that number got close to 8 million somehow.

Probably an April Fools joke, I'll wait for tomorrow to get the real numbers.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2014, 04:06:40 PM

I was talking to an old finance professor about it, just in terms of business schools perhaps one day discussing the turnaround of the website and brand. I figured the website would eventually be fixed, but in October/November I really thought the law would be severely damaged in the long term. Even in January after the law had began to climb out its hole I thought 3-5mil sign ups was the best it could do.

On March 30th I helped a friend sign up; she makes about 19k or so, barely. After convincing her to stay away from the deceptively cheap catastrophic plans, we found a nice silver plan: $86 premium (after a $168 subsidy), $175 deductible, $500 out of pocket max. PPO network so she can keep her hospital (last  time she saw a doctor she was under age, so obviously she can't keep her pediatrician as a 25 year old). Affordable copays. The only downside is no optometrist coverage. She didn't want to sign up for dental because she gets cheap, decent care at the University of Michigan.

Contra: if your friend is well off it would make sense that he can't find a great plan. He wouldn't be eligible for a subsidy. But at the same time...he's pretty well off. So he should be fine lol.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2014, 07:02:49 PM

I'm actually very, very relieved on a personal level.  Both of my parents would have been uninsurable in the old system, thanks to cancer and various chronic illnesses.  Around 2008 my dad was in between jobs and the prospect of COBRA running out before he got something else with good insurance (thus ruining the continuity of coverage and basically fucking them) was a pretty scary prospect.  Now they've got some leeway in the years before they're on Medicaid, and I don't have to worry about going through the same shit when my nigh-inevitable genetic heart defect kicks in.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2014, 07:57:45 PM

Obama really stepped in it this time: https://www.progressive.org/content/obama-whitewashes-world-war-i

Quote

President Obama just went to Flanders Field in Belgium to pay homage to those who lost their lives in World War I.

But rather than use the occasion to point out the idiotic hideousness of that war, he whitewashed it, praising “the profound sacrifice they made so that we might stand here today.”

He saluted their “willingness to fight, and die, for the freedom that we enjoy as their heirs.”

But this was not a war for freedom. It was a triumph of nationalism, pitting one nation’s vanity against another. It was a war between empires for the spoils.

Historian Allen Ruff, who is studying the causes and effects of World War I, was not impressed with Obama’s speech. “With Both NATO and the European Union headquartered in Brussels,” Ruff says, “it would have been a true homage to the dead buried in Belgium a hundred years ago if Obama spoke out against all major power imperial ambition, the true cause of so much slaughter then and since, rather than mouthing some trite euphemisms about the honor of dying for ‘freedom.’ ”

But Obama insisted on repeating the very propaganda that fed that war.

Shameful.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2014, 10:14:21 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 01, 2014, 07:02:49 PM

I'm actually very, very relieved on a personal level.  Both of my parents would have been uninsurable in the old system, thanks to cancer and various chronic illnesses.  Around 2008 my dad was in between jobs and the prospect of COBRA running out before he got something else with good insurance (thus ruining the continuity of coverage and basically fucking them) was a pretty scary prospect.  Now they've got some leeway in the years before they're on Medicaid, and I don't have to worry about going through the same shit when my nigh-inevitable genetic heart defect kicks in.

One of the most overlooked benefits of the law is that it's going to really be a life saver for many people on COBRA.

The law is far from perfect, but then again so was Social Security in the 1930s. It's going to help a lot of people in the short and long term. As I said on GAF, we've pretty much reached the tipping point where repeal is completely impossible. You can't take anything from 10 million Americans; it's the same principle for why we'll never kick 13 million illegal immigrants out the country, it's simply unfeasible. They can concern troll about premium payments all they want, the fact of the matter is that 10 million formerly uninsured people now have insurance, and a few million others have switched from old to new plans.

I think we'll see a split, most glaring in the 2016 primaries. You'll have those on the far right who continue to argue for complete repeal - Cruz, Paul, etc. And then you'll have those "moderates" who initially argue for fixing the law (Jeb Bush, Christie, etc). The problem is that the far right will almost certain drag the moderates to the right in some form or fashion. And then come July when Jeb Bush or Scott Walker is the nominee they'll be proposing ACA fixes as reporters ask why they flip flopped on complete repeal.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2014, 10:15:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 01, 2014, 07:57:45 PM

Obama really stepped in it this time: https://www.progressive.org/content/obama-whitewashes-world-war-i

Quote

President Obama just went to Flanders Field in Belgium to pay homage to those who lost their lives in World War I.

But rather than use the occasion to point out the idiotic hideousness of that war, he whitewashed it, praising “the profound sacrifice they made so that we might stand here today.”

He saluted their “willingness to fight, and die, for the freedom that we enjoy as their heirs.”

But this was not a war for freedom. It was a triumph of nationalism, pitting one nation’s vanity against another. It was a war between empires for the spoils.

Historian Allen Ruff, who is studying the causes and effects of World War I, was not impressed with Obama’s speech. “With Both NATO and the European Union headquartered in Brussels,” Ruff says, “it would have been a true homage to the dead buried in Belgium a hundred years ago if Obama spoke out against all major power imperial ambition, the true cause of so much slaughter then and since, rather than mouthing some trite euphemisms about the honor of dying for ‘freedom.’ ”

But Obama insisted on repeating the very propaganda that fed that war.

Shameful.

Can you boil it down to one sentence that I can post on Facebook and be outraged about?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 02, 2014, 12:03:56 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2014, 10:15:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 01, 2014, 07:57:45 PM

Obama really stepped in it this time: https://www.progressive.org/content/obama-whitewashes-world-war-i

Quote

President Obama just went to Flanders Field in Belgium to pay homage to those who lost their lives in World War I.

But rather than use the occasion to point out the idiotic hideousness of that war, he whitewashed it, praising “the profound sacrifice they made so that we might stand here today.”

He saluted their “willingness to fight, and die, for the freedom that we enjoy as their heirs.”

But this was not a war for freedom. It was a triumph of nationalism, pitting one nation’s vanity against another. It was a war between empires for the spoils.

Historian Allen Ruff, who is studying the causes and effects of World War I, was not impressed with Obama’s speech. “With Both NATO and the European Union headquartered in Brussels,” Ruff says, “it would have been a true homage to the dead buried in Belgium a hundred years ago if Obama spoke out against all major power imperial ambition, the true cause of so much slaughter then and since, rather than mouthing some trite euphemisms about the honor of dying for ‘freedom.’ ”

But Obama insisted on repeating the very propaganda that fed that war.

Shameful.

Can you boil it down to one sentence that I can post on Facebook and be outraged about?

Obama Whitewashes WWI With Speech Glorifying Imperialism.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on April 02, 2014, 05:27:26 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2014, 10:58:02 PM

Quote

WASHINGTON (AP) - AP sources: Obama's health care law on track to hit 7 million sign-ups on deadline day.

(http://i.imgur.com/dG4nbPV.gif)

The email blast from POTUS stated, "That doesn't count the more than 3 million young adults who have gained insurance under this law by staying on their families' plans."

So... more like 10M+ affected, benefiting from Obamacare's adoption.

I've actually seen a few "fed-up with lies" conservative posts recently.

One of them was another Obamacare email blast which was from a conservative who didn't vote for Obama, still disagrees with him about most everything, but signed up for Obamacare and is able to survive thanks to it. He watches Fox News regularly, and agrees with most of it, but wants to shout about how they're wrong about Obamacare...

Hot on the heels of which came this bizarro gem:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/03/31/3421018/fox-news-host-graham/
"Fox News Host Demands To Know Why GOP Hasn’t Offered An Alternative To Obamacare"
 :dizzy

The final weird moment (so far) was this answer to a question on Quora (http://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-way-well-ever-really-know-for-sure-whether-or-not-Obama-was-born-in-the-US-Why):

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Is there any way we'll ever really know for sure whether or not Obama was born in the US? Why?

Yes, there's a way I can know for sure that President Obama was born in the U.S. I live in Hawaiʻi on the island of Oahu, so I can drive about 20 minutes and be at the local government office building where they keep birth records and the like. There I can see the records of every birth that's taken place here, including Barack Obama's. It looks like this:

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Note, they won't allow just anyone to look at the actual birth certificate, but that log is available to anyone who wants to go look at it.

 From there I can drive over to the library or even the local newspaper and see copies of the birth announcement that appeared in the paper the day after he was born.

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So yes, I can be as sure that Obama was born here as I can be sure that anyone was born here. Honolulu is a pretty typical US city both today and back in the early sixties when President Obama was born. We keep records of things like births.

Also, I'm a conservative who voted against Obama both times. The idiotic belief that Obama was born overseas is not a conservative belief, it's a nutjob conspiracy theory belief.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 08:46:12 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2014, 10:15:32 PM

Can you boil it down to one sentence that I can post on Facebook and be outraged about?

Obama Praises Events That Led To Creation Of The Soviet Union

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 10:06:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ-z-ZKwb2Q

 :derp

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Cock-topia  :drool

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Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2014, 10:12:49 AM

Quote from: chronovore on April 02, 2014, 05:27:26 AM

Hot on the heels of which came this bizarro gem:
http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/03/31/3421018/fox-news-host-graham/
"Fox News Host Demands To Know Why GOP Hasn’t Offered An Alternative To Obamacare"
 :dizzy

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“I think it is good for the Republican party to have a plan of its own to insure Americans without losing your doctor and bankrupting the country,” Graham agreed. “Let’s start with the idea that pre-existing illnesses should not deny you coverage, that means you’re gonna have to have pools for the really sick, but why would you want to deny somebody insurance because they got sick? Allowing children to stay on the policies up to they’re 26 makes sense given this economy and buying policies across state lines makes a lot of sense to me.”

That pretty much says it all. Republicans don't have a plan, they have a few ideas they'd like to start with (you know, stuff that's already in the ACA). Maybe you should have started 5 or 6 years ago, buddy, it's a little late now. Well, I guess they actually do have a plan, it's just that their plan is"Get a second job, filthy poors; 599 US dollars (per month)!"

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 02, 2014, 10:40:52 AM

https://heartland.org/press-releases/2014/03/31/nipcc-releases-climate-change-reconsidered-ii-biological-impacts

Don't worry guys, global warming will help humanity. Cold related deaths with fall! Never you mind the extreme weather, case closed, global warming is awesome.

:piss Heartland :piss2

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2014, 12:50:10 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/supreme-court-campaign-contribution-limits-mccutcheon-fec-2

In a sharply divided ruling Wednesday, the Supreme Court further eroded campaign finance laws by striking down limits on the total amount that an individual may donate across political candidates and committees in an election cycle.

The decision -- written by Chief Justice John Roberts and joined by Justices Antonin Scalia, Anthony Kennedy and Samuel Alito -- held that "aggregate limits are invalid under the First Amendment." Justice Clarence Thomas concurred with the other conservative justices but penned a separate opinion arguing that campaign finance restrictions should be wiped out further.

:american

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2014, 01:05:47 PM

(http://i44.tinypic.com/1zzizgo.jpg)
It's as if those laws were just made up out of nowhere and there was no reason they were made.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 01:16:00 PM

Roberts said the limit of nine candidates was arbitrary and there was no explanation for why it shouldn't be ten or eleven or eight or one.

So he decided to split the difference and restore free speech only a little bit unlike Thomas.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2014, 02:31:33 PM

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My Own Final Four Bracket For America’s Future

Holy Moly! Are you kidding? You’d think one who is representing the mighty Badgers, who made it to the Final Four based on sacrificial work ethic and discipline that obviously pays off in the end, he who represents the great state of Wisconsin that hosts this underdog celebrated college basketball team, would understand that future success depends on hard work and sacrifices. The latest Ryan (R, Wisconsin) Budget is not an April Fool’s joke. But it really IS a joke because it is STILL not seeing the problem; it STILL is not proposing reining in wasteful government overspending TODAY, instead of speculating years out that some future Congress and White House may possibly, hopefully, eh-who-knows, take responsibility for today’s budgetary selfishness and shortsightedness to do so. THIS is the definition of insanity. Do we still not understand how dangerous it is to allow government to grow unchecked as we shackle ourselves with massive debt – a good portion of which is held by foreign nations who don’t necessarily like us? If we can’t balance the budget today, what on earth makes us think it will happen at some future date? The solution is staring us in the face. We need to rein in spending today, and don’t tell me there is nothing to cut when we know every omnibus bill is loaded with pork and kickbacks.

Reading the article linked below gave me the same reaction that my daughter just caused when she punked me with a very unfunny April Fool’s Day announcement. As my Dad would say after these April Fool’s announcements, “This would kill a lesser man.” This out-of-control debt is killing our economic future.

- Sarah Palin

Here’s the article:

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/01/Tea-Party-Paul-Ryan-s-New-Budget-A-Work-of-April-Fool-s-Day-Fiction

I'm still trying to figure out if this means she's taking Florida to win it all, or Kentucky maybe...?

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 02:48:40 PM

Underdog? Sarah should probably check out kenpom and do a SOS adjustment before filling out her bracket.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2014, 03:20:20 PM

Foreign nation don't like us but will buy trillions of debt? ok

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2014, 06:15:00 PM

Palin is going to make me defend Paul Ryan, guys.

The point of a budget is to reign in spending over a period of time. Immediate cuts would be even more destabalizing than the gradual cuts in Ryan's budget. And while I think Ryan's budget is laughable, he at least...ah fuck it, I can't do it guys.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2014, 06:19:02 PM

It's totally not worth it.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2014, 07:28:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmGbR7SK8-Y

Beck doing his best Lt. Kavanaugh impression  :lol

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 07:33:01 PM

I liked the part where the camera man was napping or whatever and so there were like five seconds of Beck's arm and desk.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 07:36:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2014, 06:15:00 PM

Palin is going to make me defend Paul Ryan, guys.

The point of a budget is to reign in spending over a period of time. Immediate cuts would be even more destabalizing than the gradual cuts in Ryan's budget. And while I think Ryan's budget is laughable, he at least...ah fuck it, I can't do it guys.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dLhnGtN874o

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2014, 08:05:53 PM

Glenn Beck is the greatest comedian in America.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2014, 08:07:59 PM

Oh, and that reminds me, I picked up a copy of American Spectator at the local book store the other day and the cover article was about how Obama was basically a king because he's just making and unmaking laws, starting wars, and spending trillions of dollars that Congress hasn't even authorized him to spend and basically nobody has the power to stop him from just doing whatever he wants to at all times. And I'm just like...dudes, what fricken world are you even living in.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 08:36:07 PM

I thought that went out of business years ago.

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As shortfalls continued, George Gilder, a longtime supporter of the magazine who was newly wealthy from an Internet business, purchased the magazine with the goal of turning it into a profit-making glossy with significant media buzz. Numerous staff members, demoralized by the ever-looming budget crises, were laid off or departed after Joshua Gilder and Richard Vigilante took the reins and vowed to reach a new technology- and business-savvy audience. Circulation and budget losses continued and even increased in the Gilder era, and at one point the entire Washington-based staff other than Tyrrell and executive editor and web site editor Wladyslaw Pleszczynski were laid off as operations were moved to Massachusetts, where the rest of George Gilder's businesses were based. In 2003, George Gilder, who had lost most of his fortune with the bursting of the Internet stock bubble, sold the magazine for $1 back to Tyrrell and the American Alternative Foundation, the magazine's original owner (the name was later changed to the American Spectator Foundation)

The owner, R. Emmett Tyrrell, is amazing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeGKcX-JHNE

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Tyrrell considers liberalism to be a true ideology, whereas conservatism is a philosophy.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2014, 09:35:58 PM

If Glen Beck had got the chalkboard out, I would have been more convinced.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 09:52:18 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/02/scott-brown-senate_n_5076243.html

https://www.facebook.com/JackHeathRadio/posts/10151930149696065

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Former US Senator Scott Brown just confirmed and announced on NH Today that he is running for the US Senate in NH and will be announcing next week. News made today on the show.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 02, 2014, 10:16:50 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/shouts/2014/03/libertarian-police-department.html

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 10:42:38 PM

Ha, I was going to post that.

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Obligatory top comment:

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This is extremely funny and clever.  I laughed throughout the whole thing and I'm a libertarian.  If you've ever been to a Libertarian convention you know how worthy we are of being made fun of.  Similarly voiced arguments can be heard on the floor on different arcane topics.  Very good. 

BTW if you ever get to read the Liberal Police Department spoof, it's even funnier.  You got the cop on a no-knock, middle of the night, pot bust kicking down doors in full body armour, shooting dogs and kids in what ends up being -- get this -- a case of mistaken identity.  A phony address given to him by an informant trying to beat his own rap.  lolol  Then you've got him listening in on telephone conversations and reading emails without a warrant while stroking himself with kevlar.  In another scene we see our liberal police officer beating a homeless man to death because he wouldn't give his real name, and then turning around and apprehending and incarcerating 800,000 African Americans with one set of handcuffs.  The laughs are a mile a minute. 

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Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2014, 10:52:33 PM

That was lame, he should have gone balls deep as a heel.

That's how I do it in converting all my foes to pure uncut anarchism day after day.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on April 02, 2014, 11:24:20 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 02, 2014, 10:44:08 PM

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303978304579475860515021286.html%3Fmod%3DWSJ_Opinion_LEADTop

Thoroughly unimpressed that the Democrat boogieman could only hit the paint with Saul Alinksy name drops, quotes from a slave owner about liberty, and EPA accolades.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 02, 2014, 11:50:53 PM

Glen Beck in a uniform(that he would of course design) :hitler

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 03, 2014, 12:18:12 AM

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Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.)

Truly, he is the real victim here.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2014, 01:05:43 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 01, 2014, 03:03:34 PM

I also know at least 9 people that now have health insurance thanks to this, and that's just the people that have come out and said they're covered.  All of them under 35.

Add me, though I'm slightly older at 36.

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2014, 01:09:28 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 03, 2014, 01:05:43 AM

Add me, though I'm slightly older at 36.

BREAKING: OBAMACARE RISK POOLS ARE MUCH OLDER AND CREEPIER

Title: Re: Mom Jeansghazi! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2014, 01:12:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 03, 2014, 01:09:28 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 03, 2014, 01:05:43 AM

Add me, though I'm slightly older at 36.

BREAKING: OBAMACARE RISK POOLS ARE MUCH OLDER AND CREEPIER

:phil

My mother signed up too, she's in a weird age range where she's 63 (not yet qualified for medicare, have to be 65) but quit working last year. She's got a lot of health issues so it's very good for her.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2014, 01:32:27 AM

My mom became eligible for Medicare while still working and that was quite the clusterfuck. Apparently everyone just assumes when you hit 65 you're on the full Medicare. When if you're working so much you only get one part. Even the government seemed flummoxed by this and kept trying to enroll her in the whole shebang.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2014, 09:10:55 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 03, 2014, 12:18:12 AM

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Instead of encouraging free and open debate, collectivists strive to discredit and intimidate opponents. They engage in character assassination. (I should know, as the almost daily target of their attacks.)

Truly, he is the real victim here.

Go easy on him, guys, his wealth has only tripled in the last five years, he's going through a rough stretch right now.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2014, 03:34:12 PM

I posted about it on the last page. Apparently, the 5 conservative judges think that unless you literally put money directly in a politician's hand that it doesn't count as a bribe. :heh

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2014, 08:04:14 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/03/white-house-cuban-twitter-zunzuneo-covert

Be :umad for 55 years brehs.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2014, 08:11:44 PM

I know it's a small deal in the grand scheme of things, but it's that kind of petty, underhanded shit that gave America such a bad name (among other countries) in the past 20-30 years. The kind of thing that 2008 Obama campaigned to correct.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on April 03, 2014, 09:33:14 PM

Didn't Russia throw out a bunch of NGOs not too long ago? The very name is funny in light of all this.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 09:40:31 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 03, 2014, 11:55:09 AM

I actually clicked on the GAF thread to see you go in but im not seeing the penetration :fbm

You go harder here than there.

GAF is lame, like half the people don't understand what they themselves are posting, there were also posts being deleted in that thread. Some guy was whining because I said 50K was in the 1% globally and accusing me of trying to downplay poverty because of it. But that all got deleted.

I went harder in the Supreme Court thread because I had roped in empty_vessel and knew I could get him to agree to the government censoring and allocating speech on the internet because he had come close to saying that before.  :lol

EDIT: Plus I don't really care about the Kochs, other than to "remind" people they've been around so long that David was the 1980 LP VP nom.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 04, 2014, 11:53:17 AM

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I think the American people should know that the members of Congress are underpaid. I understand that it's widely felt that they underperform, but the fact is that this is the board of directors for the largest economic entity in the world."

-- Rep. Jim Moran (D-VA), quoted by Roll Call.

Get a brain, morans.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on April 04, 2014, 11:54:41 AM

....they work for around half the year and make more in one week than many people do in said year. Fuck them.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 12:08:00 PM

You laugh but Congress hasn't had a pay raise since 2009 and their pay hasn't kept up with inflation since 1992. It's time to give our board of directors competitive pay so we can attract the best and brightest.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2014, 02:09:31 PM

Disgusting moochers, begging for a government handout. Thankfully our newly revised campaign finance laws will allow the free market to determine how much they should be paid from now on.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 02:11:24 PM

Yeah, blah blah blah outrage.

I'm actually in favor of paying Congresspeople well, picking up a lot of their DC living expenses, and providing public funding for campaigns.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 04, 2014, 02:12:28 PM

I'm favor of publicly executing lobbyists and selecting any random 438 college educated citizens from their home districts to serve in Congress.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 02:23:34 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 04, 2014, 02:12:28 PM

I'm favor of publicly executing lobbyists and selecting any random 438 college educated citizens from their home districts to serve in Congress.

Then who are the other 97 Senators?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on April 04, 2014, 02:58:51 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 09:40:31 AM

Some guy was whining because I said 50K was in the 1% globally and accusing me of trying to downplay poverty because of it.

I love that "99% of households have a refrigerator" meme (http://i.imgur.com/QlwkMaX.png) they throw around because it really betrays how provincial and self-absorbed their notions of poverty are--it's just so ridiculous that someone would point out this level of material wealth virtually all Americans with a residence enjoy right. (lol @ this chart having to go to 110% because of people in the core having multiple fridges at home.)

Be whiny members of the labor aristocracy brehs.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 03:06:54 PM

In that one thread about how much better life is now or whatever it was, the one guy responded to me saying that on average most of GAF lives better than every other human in history by talking about how he can't afford to buy a house the size of his parents' just out of college or something. :lol

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 03:10:01 PM

Quote from: Karakand on April 04, 2014, 02:58:51 PM

(lol @ this chart having to go to 110% because of people in the core having multiple fridges at home.)

Nope.  Look again.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 03:12:02 PM

Apparently Egypt is the place for cheap appliances.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 03:19:52 PM

Not necessarily.  The X axis is GDP per capita and Egypt has a much more even distribution of wealth than, say, China or Thailand.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 04, 2014, 03:34:24 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 02:11:24 PM

Yeah, blah blah blah outrage.

I'm actually in favor of paying Congresspeople well, picking up a lot of their DC living expenses, and providing public funding for campaigns.

The other million dollars a year they get to spend on staff salary to help them do their job is not enough?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 04:07:06 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 04, 2014, 03:34:24 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 02:11:24 PM

Yeah, blah blah blah outrage.

I'm actually in favor of paying Congresspeople well, picking up a lot of their DC living expenses, and providing public funding for campaigns.

The other million dollars a year they get to spend on staff salary to help them do their job is not enough?

First, that's different from what they get paid themselves and from campaign costs.  Second, I really don't know the structure of Congressional and committee staff to have anywhere near well enough an informed opinion on that.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 04:13:03 PM

Third-world poverty really is a different animal, and when people get riled up about "China taking our jobs" or "American jobs going overseas" they should try to retain some empathy for the people who would really benefit from having those jobs available.

On the other hand, really not a big fan of having global poverty used as a rhetorical cudgel to beat back any domestic redistribution of wealth, so.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2014, 06:06:53 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 04, 2014, 02:16:47 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 04, 2014, 02:12:28 PM

I'm favor of publicly executing lobbyists and selecting any random 438 college educated citizens from their home districts to serve in Congress.

:holeup

4 year is the new GED

Cheebs was ahead of the curve
:rejoice

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 04, 2014, 06:07:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 04:13:03 PM

Third-world poverty really is a different animal, and when people get riled up about "China taking our jobs" or "American jobs going overseas" they should try to retain some empathy for the people who would really benefit from having those jobs available.

On the other hand, really not a big fan of having global poverty used as a rhetorical cudgel to beat back any domestic redistribution of wealth, so.

Yeah but the jobs aren't going there out of the kindness of people's hearts to give labor so much as exploit it.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 06:14:36 PM

Basically no jobs go to anyone out of the kindness of the employers' hearts, even the ones we'd consider (as Americans) to be well-compensated.  But people still benefit from having those jobs.

Globalization is an area where I'm probably more sympathetic to the logic-of-the-markets arguments than in other areas.  We can point to the pay and the working standards of sweatshops and factories in developing countries and say it's criminal, and it is that by the standards we're used to.  But they find people willing to work for those wages in those conditions because there aren't better options yet in those countries.  Taking away export-industry jobs won't actually help poverty.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on April 04, 2014, 06:26:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 04:13:03 PM

On the other hand, really not a big fan of having global poverty used as a rhetorical cudgel to beat back any domestic redistribution of wealth, so.

Oh god. "Complaining on a very high level" bla bla. Really drives me up the wall.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 06:34:13 PM

I don't see the point of American feminism when women in the horn of Africa are having their genitals mutilated.  :smug

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on April 04, 2014, 06:57:37 PM

:dead

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 07:13:53 PM

Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on April 04, 2014, 06:07:12 PM

Yeah but the jobs aren't going there out of the kindness of people's hearts to give labor so much as exploit it.

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It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 04, 2014, 07:22:55 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 04:13:03 PM

Third-world poverty really is a different animal, and when people get riled up about "China taking our jobs" or "American jobs going overseas" they should try to retain some empathy for the people who would really benefit from having those jobs available.

On the other hand, really not a big fan of having global poverty used as a rhetorical cudgel to beat back any domestic redistribution of wealth, so.

You've got a refrigerator and a TV but people in Africa don't have either, therefore billionaires shouldn't have to pay higher taxes. Ipso facto. :smug

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on April 04, 2014, 08:16:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2014, 06:34:13 PM

I don't see the point of American feminism when women in the horn of Africa are having their genitals mutilated.  :smug

First, thanks for pointing out my earlier inability to look at a chart. Post from prejudice brehs.  :ussrcry

Second, my attempt at an earnest response to a well-earned pot shot is to ask, do you generally perceive American feminists as being OK with what is done elsewhere to women so long as it doesn't happen to them here? (I'm aware of things like #solidarityisforwhitewomen when I ask this, there are--and have been--privilege issues in feminism.) And, do they generally support political institutions that facilitate the perpetuation of these things done elsewhere but not to them?

If you replace the above questions with similar ones about Americans and the consequences of inequality*, I don't see how you can't emphatically answer "yes" to both questions. Even the young American left won't bat an eye at linking Matty "1,100+ Bengalis died needlessly and that's OK" (http://www.mrdestructo.com/2013/04/destructo-salon-does-matthew-yglesias.html) Yglesias, at least on PoliGAF.

You're right that I'm wielding a stifling cudgel similar in form to the one Richard Dawkins wields against women afraid of being sexually assaulted in an elevator (nice chap BTW), I don't believe the function is the same (shut up women your concerns are unwarranted vs. shut up #partoftheproblem).

And to expand on my earlier post, I don't think mocking the refrigerator comment is a useful debunking of some attitudes towards inequality at home because material wealth is wealth and because it confirms my own bias about the American working class that I believe without empirical evidence (that they only care about themselves). Something like the ghastly gap in life expectancy between rich and poor is far more demonstrative imo, unlike appliance ownership appears both here and abroad barring a few exceptions like Cuba, and is very relevant when we're talking about nonsense like raising the Social Security age.

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*I would say capitalism instead but I'm trying to keep the :hans1 in my response below a certain threshold.

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Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 08:34:04 PM

I take too great of pleasure in any of his and Klein's posts where they can't understand how things like bank accounts or Netflix work. A butterfly flapped its wings slightly differently and they'd be making GAF threads instead of Vox.com.

EDIT: NEVR 4GET

Quote

My Horrible Relationship With Netflix
Matt Yglesias has a quick post on the Netflix movies he rented this weekend. I don't. Because I've had the same three sitting in my drawer for almost two years now. That's literally hundreds of dollars I've donated to Netflix to help subsidize the fees of people who actually use the service. Meanwhile, one of the movies is cracked and I can't find the envelopes for the other two. So I continue my philanthropic donations to the Netflix Fund for the Needy. And every month, I loathe myself just a little bit more.

By Ezra Klein  |  June 22, 2009; 6:07 PM ET

Quote

Ezra,

Step 1:
Get up, put all three movies in the one envelope, and walk to the mailbox.

Step 2:
Get on the internet, and cancel your account.

Step 3:
Wait for my email on how to set up an automatic payment to my email account for precisely the same amount.

You're life will be exactly the same. mine will be slightly better. its a pareto improvement! (well, if you ignore Netflix).

Posted by: nylund | June 22, 2009 7:16 PM

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 04, 2014, 08:41:49 PM

:lol

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Shadow Mod on April 04, 2014, 08:44:41 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 07:13:53 PM

Quote from: Needs More Cowbell on April 04, 2014, 06:07:12 PM

Yeah but the jobs aren't going there out of the kindness of people's hearts to give labor so much as exploit it.

Quote

It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker that we expect our dinner, but from their regard to their own interest. We address ourselves, not to their humanity, but to their self-love, and never talk to them of our own necessities, but of their advantages.

I fuck a pizza man so...

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 09:01:19 PM

Some Ygelsias classics:
https://storify.com/seanmdav/matthew-yglesias-does-not-understand-basic-account
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2007/11/satellite/47027/

Quote

There's something pretty cool about the shape of the Miami-related sprawl when you pull it out to an appropriate distance. I'd been interested to know what, if anything, is legally or practically preventing the city from just expanding further and further west if anyone happens to know.

UPDATE: Yes, yes commenters I know it's a freaking swamp but there's plenty of development on ex-swampland in Florida -- hence all the canals and weird-looking lakes.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/10/yet-more-pc-vs-mac-wars

And personal favorite:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/05/01/it_s_a_401_k_world_and_it_sucks.html

Quote

In other words: A disaster. What's needed is a much more forceful, much more statist approach to forced savings, whether that's quasi-savings in the form of higher taxes and more Social Security benefits or something like a Singapore-style system where "private" savings are pooled into a state-run investment fund.

Now since we are in fact living in a 401(k) world, here's some advice. You've got to save a lot of money for retirement. More than you think. More than you want to. And you need to put that money in a broadly diversified, low-fee fund. And you have to keep it there. Don't panic when the market plunged and sell. In fact, unless you're planning on retiring in the next decade, don't even check how it's doing. Just buy and hold and shift into something less volatile when you're near retirement. Vanguard has these good Target 20XX funds that automatically shift you into less volatile products as you get closer to your target retirement date, allowing you to do even more ignoring of the state of your investments. Which is good. The only way for anyone to make any money managing your savings is to try and trick you into making trades you shouldn't make, or buying products you shouldn't buy.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2014, 10:20:24 PM

I enjoy Ygelsias' hard hitting economic analysis pieces on ASOIAF :yeshrug

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2014, 11:37:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 09:01:19 PM

And personal favorite:
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/05/01/it_s_a_401_k_world_and_it_sucks.html

Quote

In other words: A disaster. What's needed is a much more forceful, much more statist approach to forced savings, whether that's quasi-savings in the form of higher taxes and more Social Security benefits or something like a Singapore-style system where "private" savings are pooled into a state-run investment fund.

Now since we are in fact living in a 401(k) world, here's some advice. You've got to save a lot of money for retirement. More than you think. More than you want to. And you need to put that money in a broadly diversified, low-fee fund. And you have to keep it there. Don't panic when the market plunged and sell. In fact, unless you're planning on retiring in the next decade, don't even check how it's doing. Just buy and hold and shift into something less volatile when you're near retirement. Vanguard has these good Target 20XX funds that automatically shift you into less volatile products as you get closer to your target retirement date, allowing you to do even more ignoring of the state of your investments. Which is good. The only way for anyone to make any money managing your savings is to try and trick you into making trades you shouldn't make, or buying products you shouldn't buy.

He is 100% absolutely right here. Worst thing you can do is try and time the market. Just do steady low-cost index investing, everything else is for suckers.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 11:48:00 PM

Not checking on your investments?  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 04, 2014, 11:55:43 PM

and what would you plan on doing with that information?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2014, 11:57:39 PM

Buy gold and bury it in my yard, duh.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2014, 12:14:38 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/bridge-scandal-probe-heats-grand-jury-convened/story?id=23194999

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The U.S. Attorney in New Jersey has convened a grand jury to investigate the involvement of Governor Chris Christie’s office in the George Washington Bridge scandal, ABC News has learned.

Twenty-three jurors convened in a federal courthouse in Newark today to hear testimony from a key staff member, Christie press secretary Mike Drewniak, whose lawyer, Anthony Iacullo, said Drewniak was not a target of the investigation.

"We're here to answer questions and that's what Michael did today," Iacullo said.

The convening of the grand jury is evidence that the U.S. Attorney’s investigation has progressed beyond an inquiry and moved to the criminal phase.

The grand jury, which will meet for up to the next 18 months, has the power to indict, subpoena and interview witnesses without their attorney's present.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2014, 12:18:53 AM

Seems like something would have leaked by now if they had anything on Christie. I think he's either clean or will get away with this.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 05, 2014, 12:31:27 AM

All it did was raise his national profile and galvanize the right behind him. GG Dems.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2014, 06:13:36 AM

These aren't as bad as I expected, from The Blaze, Glenn Beck's site. Second and third one made me :lol (and the end part of the first one)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS1A8t34Cg0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbbI04_TE6I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvziONmDjrs

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2014, 06:49:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7uJXBUx8n4

These are such the right kind of stupid/funny/lame.  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dLh2j6OxyE

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2014, 10:27:08 AM

okay, three more and then i'm done spamming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07QJm7Gp_mM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhtuVTyQRNI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MeEHZHISpU

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2014, 09:57:41 AM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/04/rand-paul-dick-cheney-exploited-911-iraq-halliburton

Quote from: Rand Paul

It's Dick Cheney in 1995 being interviewed on why they didn't go into Baghdad the first time under the first [President] George Bush. And his arguments are exactly mirroring my dad's arguments for why we shouldn't have gone in this time. It would be chaos. There'd be a civil war. There'd be no exit strategy. And cost a blue bloody fortune in both lives and treasure. And this is Dick Cheney saying this. But, you know, a couple hundred million dollars later Dick Cheney earns from Halliburton, he comes back into government. Now Halliburton's got a billion-dollar no-bid contract in Iraq. You know, you hate to be so cynical that you think some of these corporations are able to influence policy, but I think sometimes they are. Most of the people on these [congressional] committees have a million dollars in their bank account all from different military industrial contractors. We don't want our defense to be defined by people who make money off of the weapons.

:whew

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 10:06:16 AM

 :gladbron

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2014, 10:09:13 AM

Welp, we know who PD's voting for in 2016.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2014, 10:21:35 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ERSFfXL.png)

:whew

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 07, 2014, 10:31:47 AM

emote mcconell

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 10:35:22 AM

Cruz  :lol
Bachman :dead

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2014, 12:35:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeCZGWce6yQ

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2014/04/07/scott-brown-pick-a-party/?wprss=rss_in-the-loop&clsrd

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 02:15:37 PM

Quote

Vice President Joe Biden knows a thing or two about the nation's educators.

His wife, Jill Biden, still teaches at Northern Virginia Community College, a fact he touted at the American Association of Community Colleges' annual convention in Washington on Monday.

The vice president praised teachers as "the best kept secret in America."

"Jill is probably right," he added, according to CNN. "I think I'd have the same attitude...did I not sleep with a community college professor every night."

As laughter erupted across the 2,000 gathered faculty, staff and administrators, Biden attempted to clarify.

"Oh, the same one, the same one," he said, waving his hands around. "The same one."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/biden-slept-college-professor

:dead

this dude doesn't give a fuck  :lol

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2014, 02:18:34 PM

DIAMOND JOE

I will vote for him in the primaries, zero fucks given.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 02:20:52 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 07, 2014, 02:19:08 PM

That NY cover is straight disrespectful :dead

It's straight up ether. You know someone caught feelings too. Too bad Obama isn't as gully as Biden or he'd frame it and put it in the WH.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2014, 02:22:02 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 07, 2014, 02:19:08 PM

That NY cover is straight disrespectful :dead

Only if you consider Congressional Republicans worthy of respect :hitler

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2014, 05:01:24 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/04/06/liz-cheney-stop-political-investigation-of-torture-and-focus-more-on-benghazi/

Quote

“If you’re going to say that we should not have conducted the enhanced interrogation program, if you’re going to say that we shouldn’t have waterboarded three terrorists, then you’ve got to say that you’re willing to accept the consequences of that,” the former vice president’s daughter said on a Sunday morning Fox News panel. “You’ve got to be willing to say how many American lives would you have been willing to put at risk because you didn’t want to waterboard Khalid Sheikh Mohammed.”

Fox News political analyst Juan Williams quipped that Liz Cheney was the “good daughter,” but the American people had a right to know what the CIA was doing in their name, and if the techniques were effective.

“I want to start by agreeing with Juan,” Liz Cheney shot back. “That we need more congressional oversight… of Benghazi, for example.”

 :clap

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2014, 07:01:32 PM

What would "more Congressional oversight" of the Benghazi attack entail, exactly?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2014, 07:30:04 PM

Time travel.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 07:40:24 PM

I watched some of the recent hearing, where Bachman accused the former acting CIA director of covering shit up for the administration. The focus was entirely on the alleged "protest" and the video. The CIA says at the time their analysts thought it was a protest over the video (which is what caused a protest the exact day in Egypt). Republicans say the protest/video stuff was a WH lie.  Ok...

Where's the conspiracy? Bachman kept mentioning the administration was arguing that AQ was dead, so when Benghazi was attacked they purposely hid the truth instead of admitting AQ was still a threat. But Obama has never said AQ was finished. He has said they're on the run, and I see no reason to disagree with that notion. They're less effective than they once were...does anyone deny that?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2014, 07:53:14 PM

I really did think that all the Benghazi talk would subside after Obama was re-elected, figuring that it was a short-term campaign bludgeon that would quickly evaporate once the full facts were finally revealed. Unfortunately, the full facts came out and vindicated the White House, but here we are more than a year later still holding more pointless hearings. I think their base has so fully bought into the line that Obama was directly responsible for the deaths of the four people and then tried to cover it up afterward that Republicans can't actually afford to drop it now.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 07, 2014, 09:00:20 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2014, 07:53:14 PM

I really did think that all the Benghazi talk would subside after Obama was re-elected, figuring that it was a short-term campaign bludgeon that would quickly evaporate once the full facts were finally revealed. Unfortunately, the full facts came out and vindicated the White House, but here we are more than a year later still holding more pointless hearings. I think their base has so fully bought into the line that Obama was directly responsible for the deaths of the four people and then tried to cover it up afterward that Republicans can't actually afford to drop it now.

They have so little to go on that they have to maximize every tiny morsel of 'what if'. It's not news. It's fan fiction.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 07, 2014, 09:46:31 PM

The amusing thing is they don't really want to go too far down that rabbit hole because they might "find out" why the Compound and Annex were targeted in the first place. So you just have to keep a low level investigation of Rice and other lies along with asking again and again why Obama didn't nuke the city after the attack was reported.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 10:01:34 PM

I'd imagine many republicans know the CIA was deep into some shit there, and that the administration can't really be direct about it. So they get to beat around the bush, trolling the administration nonstop because answers aren't coming anytime soon.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2014, 10:53:06 PM

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee361/asrisblocked/JcjBwEH-1.png)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 08, 2014, 01:30:50 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BktUjTnCQAAKnrZ.png:large)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 08, 2014, 03:03:00 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/staffer-husband-kissing-congressman-not-religious

Quote

The husband of the staffer caught kissing Rep. Vance McAllister (R-LA) says that while the congressman ran as a religious man who cherished family values, he wasn't actually religious.

"I know his beliefs. When he ran one of his commercials, he said 'I need your prayers,' and I asked, 'When did you get religious?' He said, 'When I needed votes,'" Heath Peacock, 34, told CNN Tuesday. "He broke out the religious card and he's about the most non-religious person I know."

Lie about your religion to get more votes, brehs.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 08, 2014, 03:05:30 PM

I just automatically assume that's true of most politicians and political talk show hosts that regularly mention their religious views.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2014, 10:55:40 PM

Quote

A long shot GOP Senate candidate said members of the House of Representatives are refraining from moving to impeach President Barack Obama because of what news coverage of an impeachment of a black president would look like.

In an interview with The Daily Times Herald of Iowa, Senate Candidate Sam Clovis said the reason Obama hasn't been impeached yet is a "practical matter."

"I don't think so and I'll tell you why. It's not that what he has done would not rise to the level where it might be impeachable," Clovis said. "I don't think it's a practical, pragmatic issue and simply because I don't think the nation is ready for it. You know, within this generation we just went through an impeachment of a president and it didn't end well and now we have a situation where race is thrown into the card as well. And whether we like it or not, race is an issue."

The Daily Times Herald asked Clovis if he thought Congress wasn't trying to impeach Obama because of his skin color.

"Not knowing, I haven't talked to anybody [sic]," Clovis said. "But I would say there are people in the House of Representatives right now that would very much like to take the opportunity to start the process and I think the reason that they're not is because they're concerned about the media."

Clovis was then asked if he members of Congress are worried about what it would look like in news coverage to impeach the president because he's black. Clovis simply responded "yes."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sam-clovis-impeach-obama

So he won the presidency because he's black, and will avoid impeachment because he's black. Good to know.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2014, 01:08:21 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hank-aaron-obama-republicans-kkk

"We can talk about baseball. Talk about politics. Sure, this country has a black president, but when you look at a black president, President Obama is left with his foot stuck in the mud from all of the Republicans with the way he's treated," Hank Aaron said.

He added, "We have moved in the right direction, and there have been improvements, but we still have a long ways to go in the country. The bigger difference is that back then they had hoods. Now they have neckties and starched shirts."

 :obama

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 09, 2014, 01:30:27 PM

 :whew

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 02:04:33 PM

Hank Aaron biting old Public Enemy rhymes? Say it ain't so, Hammer.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2014, 05:44:11 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 02:04:33 PM

Hank Aaron biting old Public Enemy rhymes? Say it ain't so, Hammer.

:umad

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2014, 06:13:42 PM

He needs to get off the Democrat Plantation.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2014, 06:37:17 PM

I was disappointed by the comments simply because it can easily be spun as "Aaron says republicans who oppose Obama are racist." Which of course is a long running meme on the right.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2014, 09:19:08 PM

Quote

    The long-awaited Rand Corp. study of Obamacare’s effect on health insurance coverage was released Tuesday and confirmed the numbers that had been telegraphed for more than a week: At least 9.3 million more Americans have health insurance now than in September 2013, virtually all of them as a result of the law.
     
    That’s a net figure, accommodating all those who lost their individual health insurance because of cancellations. The Rand study confirms other surveys that placed the number of people who lost their old insurance and did not or could not replace it – the focus of an enormous volume of anti-Obamacare rhetoric – at less than 1 million.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/new-aca-data-bolsters-systems-success

Good luck repealing that shit.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2014, 09:27:03 PM

dat margin of error  :aah

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2014, 09:42:29 PM

Actually I'd argue the number is much higher, around 12 million. The article points out the issues with the report, specially sample errors. But 9 mil as the base line is impressive.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2014, 09:53:59 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 09, 2014, 09:38:05 PM

The actual report is very disappointing, IMO, given that it includes Medicaid numbers. I was hoping the number would be more like 12 million when you added all sources.

However, Rand has the number of people who gained insurance through federal and state marketplaces at 3.9 million, which is much lower than official estimates. The authors of the study also admit that their data doesn't go through the end of March.

The margin of error for the survey is little over 1% or 3.5 million so it could be anywhere from 6-13 million.

The 3.9 million is people who have insurance through the exchanges, only 1.4 million of those were previously uninsured.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 09:57:26 PM

That number shouldn't be surprising. When they opened up the exchanges to people that were denied medical care because of pre-existing conditions, barely anyone even signed up. Usual hype and inflation of a problem to get legislation enacted.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2014, 10:07:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gl7xcy8ILU

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2014, 10:15:13 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 09:57:26 PM

That number shouldn't be surprising. When they opened up the exchanges to people that were denied medical care because of pre-existing conditions, barely anyone even signed up. Usual hype and inflation of a problem to get legislation enacted.

Because more people having better health insurance overall totally isn't a big deal, apparently.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 10:18:38 PM

You mean more people being forced into a broken system? Yay!


At least those insurance lobby kickbacks will be sweet.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2014, 10:21:39 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 10:18:38 PM

You mean more people being forced into a broken system? Yay!

At least those insurance lobby kickbacks will be sweet.

Well, you got me there! Guess we'd better implement a single-payer system, then!

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 10:24:58 PM

Better to use your energy propagating that then carrying water for this piece of shit.*

* yes, it will help the lives of some.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 09, 2014, 11:14:54 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 09:57:26 PM

That number shouldn't be surprising. When they opened up the exchanges to people that were denied medical care because of pre-existing conditions, barely anyone even signed up. Usual hype and inflation of a problem to get legislation enacted.

...because it was an insurance pool full of sick people, thus creating expensive premiums? And republicans want this to be a centerpiece of their (non-existent) alternative bill.

spreading cost around in a diverse pool works.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2014, 12:07:46 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 09, 2014, 10:24:58 PM

Better to use your energy propagating that then carrying water for this piece of shit.*

* yes, it will help the lives of some.

:umad

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 10, 2014, 12:29:32 AM

TA's like Ed Asner, acting all grumpy and cynical, but I've seen him swoon over bullet-point policy proposals from the likes of Gingrich and Giuliani.  Deep down he's an optimist and a softie.


Some big error bars in that thing.  So grain of salt, yadda yadda.  But what's with the jump in employee-sponsored insurance?  That the kids being put onto their parents' plan or what?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2014, 12:37:33 AM

People taking up employer offered plans they had previously not chosen, people finding new jobs, spouses moving onto their partners coverage, etc.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2014, 12:50:52 AM

Could be a lot of people that were offered employer health insurance but didn't take it before decided to start taking it because of the ACA mandate.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2014, 12:55:57 AM

Yeah, I mean surely we all know people who have no idea what they signed up for when they got hired and never have looked at anything regarding their benefits and now they've had a small impetus to find out, plus a lot of employers are publicizing the new plans they're offering that meet the mandates, etc.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2014, 04:35:03 PM

http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/stephen-colberts-vile-political-blackface#.U0b5yymLkB0.twitter

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2014, 04:57:00 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2014, 04:35:03 PM

http://www.truthrevolt.org/commentary/stephen-colberts-vile-political-blackface#.U0b5yymLkB0.twitter

"Conservativeface"

 :sabu :umad

Oh Ben Shapiro, you adorable little douche.  :lol

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2014, 05:51:23 PM

Quote

It is nearly impossible to watch an hour of Fox News without coming away with a viscerally negative response to conservatives.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2014, 06:47:14 PM

Sebelius resigning.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 10, 2014, 06:55:03 PM

 :omg

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 10, 2014, 07:05:01 PM

Republicans have helpfully provided a shortlist of preapproved potential replacements:

William Kristol
Besty McAughey
Joe the Plumber

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2014, 07:12:50 PM

I've always wondered, can a President appoint himself to a Cabinet position?

You can't remain a legislator but can you stay President and also be, say Secretary of HHS?

Obama should be the test case I think.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2014, 07:29:46 PM

Glad Sebelius is gone, even though the ACA has rebounded quite nicely since the shit start. Now to find someone competent.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2014, 07:47:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2014, 07:29:46 PM

Glad Sebelius is gone, even though the ACA has rebounded quite nicely since the shit start. Now to find someone competent.

Looks like Sylvia Mathews Burwell, director of the Office of Management and Budget, is going to get the nomination.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2014, 09:26:17 PM

(http://abload.de/img/hc10yut2.gif)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: doctavius bonbon on April 10, 2014, 09:30:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2014, 09:26:17 PM

(http://abload.de/img/hc10yut2.gif)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=107745968&postcount=46

methodist, or shapeshifting attractive Jewish woman? i think we all know the truth.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2014, 09:33:56 PM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on April 10, 2014, 09:30:08 PM

methodist

I didn't see the t on this at first.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2014, 11:27:54 PM

(http://abload.de/img/shillaryucun2.png)
:dead

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 11, 2014, 11:14:48 AM

"You know, I'm impressed by the new renovations at the library. I want to thank you for showing them to me. Former presidents compare their libraries the way other men may compare their, well... Just wondering how LBJ would've handled that."

-- George W. Bush, quoted by First Read, at the Lyndon B. Johnson Presidential Library.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 11, 2014, 06:01:22 PM

 :obama

hat tip to Dubya

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 11, 2014, 09:04:53 PM

Quote from:  @lolgop

CNN is so afraid the plane may be found that it's asking @DarrellIssa to take over the search.

:banderas

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2014, 11:50:09 PM

*throws up the Mandark Google Fu symbol*

So, my google fu skills have completely failed me. For a macro economics project, I'm supposed to compare several different economic indicators for six different countries... and a couple of them are income share for the top 10 and bottom 10 percents. For some of my countries, this has been no problem- Costa Rica, Egypt, and Venezuela. Shockingly, data for MORE DEVELOPED countries is harder to come by. Which is headscratchingly weird, to me.

We were given some links and like I said, I tried myself but have mostly come up empty. I need this data for the US, France, and South Korea for 2011/2012. I found one piece of it in an article- the top 10% in the US made just over 50% in 2012. Which is nuts.

This is one link I've used and ran into a dead end:

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.10TH.10

It references the CIA factbook, which seems to be useful until you realize that you can't fucking sort the data by year. Awful, I hope they die in a fire or whatever. If anyone has any resources they could point me to, that would be much appreciated. Not asking anyone to do this work for me, just point me in a different direction, cause I'm stonewalled currently.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2014, 01:06:23 AM

Yeah, that's tricky cause the US and a lot of other countries seem to regularly calculate stuff by the quintile, rather than the decile.

I think the inequality research by Emmanuel Saez should have pretty recent info on the share of income for the top 10%, but not so sure it'll include stuff about the bottom 10%.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2014, 01:11:11 AM

http://www.nsd.uib.no/macrodataguide/set.html?id=49&sub=1

EDIT: Oh, that only goes up to 2006.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2014, 01:13:50 AM

http://www.wider.unu.edu/research/Database/en_GB/wiid/_files/79789834673192984/default/WIID2C.xls


edit:  I think this is the same thing benji found.  Not super up-to-date, but looks like the best thing out there.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2014, 01:25:30 AM

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2047.html

Has 2011 for South Korea at least. Also has 2004 for France which sounds old but both the Worldbank and OECD datasets don't have information for France past 1995.  :lol

The EU probably has France data, but IIRC you can't find anything on their fucking site because it's all divided between ten thousand different commissions and agencies and committees and the search only lets you pick so many things at once and so on.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 12, 2014, 08:19:17 AM

Mid 2000's is fine- I can and have jumped around on other data points as far as years go. You guys are heroes.  :american

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2014, 02:04:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDU5ryWugc0

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2014, 03:26:06 PM

There may be some racism left in America, but who cares?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2014, 05:54:39 PM

An old white guy said racism is over, so it must be true!

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2014, 07:50:34 PM

Tom Shillue as a "Fox Host"  :hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2LiFsdrXF4

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2014, 09:43:22 PM

Stolen from PoliGAF thread:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/thegameofpolitics/the-game-of-politics

Quote

There are five (5) important beliefs that have driven my passion and guided my creation of The Game of Politics over the last 3 years:

1. A majority of Americans love their country.

2. A majority of Americans are realizing that their country is NOT being run in a prudent and wise manner.

3. A majority of Americans are realizing that the arrogant, self-serving, leftist, liberal, socialists who are governing our nation has led to less freedom and liberty, less prosperity, more government bureacracy, a lower standard of living, a higher national debt and the destruction of our moral foundation.

4. A majority of Americans would love a trivia game that reflects a view of this nation from a constitutionally conservative perspective rather than a leftist, liberal, socialist methodology.

5. There is no constitutionally conservative trivia board game on the market today.

The Game of Politics fills this void.

http://www.thegameofpolitics.net/reasons.html

Quote

By the way, I am very familiar with what is required to satisfy customers. Meeting deadlines, establishing relationships and keeping happy customers comes second nature to me. A good example is my Ebay track record. I've been a seller since 1999, and have NEVER had a negative feedback...with over 900 transactions.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on April 13, 2014, 07:21:07 PM

Is there a way to make a kickstarter have less money?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 13, 2014, 07:48:03 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on April 13, 2014, 07:21:07 PM

Is there a way to make a kickstarter have less money?

Well, right now it's sitting at $666, which seems appropriate.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2014, 01:36:32 PM

Don't pay your bills and then threaten violence against the feds when you're called on it, brehs.

Only works if you're old and white, though.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2014, 05:08:12 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2014, 01:36:32 PM

Don't pay your bills and then threaten violence against the feds when you're called on it, brehs.

Only works if you're old and white, though.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/04/14/3426335/wisconsin-republican-committee-votes-to-uphold-wisconsins-right-to-secede/

CAC Nonexcellence

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2014, 07:39:24 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/shoe-truthers-hillary-clinton

Quote

"So it would not be stretching logic to suppose that Hillary arranged to have the shoe thrown at her," wrote Arthur Louis at Goldberg's site. "Remembering the Bush incident [when an Iraqi journalist threw two shoes at President George W. Bush], she may have calculated that this would make her seem presidential. This would explain why Ms. Ernst was not pounded to a pulp by Hillary's bodyguards, and why she seems on the verge of getting off scot free. Don’t be too surprised, the next time you visit Phoenix, if you see her sitting at a table in a downtown Hillary for President store front, stuffing and sealing envelopes."

On Monday, Rush Limbaugh entertained the same idea, telling radio listeners he "can totally relate" to those who believe that "everything the Clintons do is staged or choreographed." Asked about it by a listener, he emphasized that he hadn't studied the incident and isn't too concerned about it, but said people have told him Clinton's reaction "wasn't natural."

"I'm sorry, I'm ill-equipped to comment," Limbaugh said, adding: "Maybe it's because, in my subconscious, I think it was staged, or set up, or whatever. ... I don't know why anybody would be throwing a shoe at Hillary unless -- maybe it's an attempt to make the Benghazi people look like nuts and lunatics and wackos."

...

"What one clearly sees in this video is that Hillary Clinton makes no effort whatsoever to actually 'dodge' the shoe," wrote Sonny Bunch at the Washington Free Beacon. "Rather, she flinches after it has gone whizzing by her head. A far more accurate headline would’ve been 'Hillary Clinton Luckily Unharmed by Her Slow Reflexes.' Typical liberal media, covering up the truth for their favored candidates. ... Whereas Hillary reacts well after the danger has passed, George W. Bush preemptively sees danger coming and positions himself to avoid it."

National Review's Jonah Goldberg favorably cited Bunch's piece and found a way to make his point with a Benghazi reference.

"I don't expect reporters to say 'Hillary Clinton instinctively cowered from shoe like it was the unavoidable truth about Benghazi.' But, as the guy who was hit by a Ford pickup truck told the police, that was no Dodge," he wrote.

:lol

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2014, 07:55:27 PM

It's worth noting that these are the same people who think Hillary faked a concussion so she could delay her Bengahzi testimony by a few days.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2014, 08:10:40 PM

and the people who believe the White House hires actors to faint at Obama's events.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Snake on April 14, 2014, 08:25:55 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2014, 07:39:24 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/shoe-truthers-hillary-clinton

#VeteransFor4/10Truth
#Shoethers
#InsideSole

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2014, 08:50:32 PM

Quote

maybe it's an attempt to make the Benghazi people look like nuts and lunatics and wackos."

Well, mission accomplished, I guess!

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2014, 09:55:28 PM

via treesong
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlOOD1ACQAA2-lL.jpg:large)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2014, 10:00:16 PM

It went down a lot, good job Florida!

Oh wait...

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2014, 10:09:00 PM

A lot of people died, yeah, but think of the record profits for the firearms industry!

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2014, 10:11:15 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 14, 2014, 09:54:27 PM

Amercia suX

https://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/04/14

http://www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens%20homepage%20materials/Gilens%20and%20Page/Gilens%20and%20Page%202014-Testing%20Theories%203-7-14.pdf


:usacry :american

You can pretty easily see why this was published in Perspectives on Politics. (http://i.minus.com/jHy98P2tHz1Cf.png)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2014, 12:06:28 AM

Don't tell anyone but the APSA is just a front for collecting a list of essentials for the Koch Purge of the Working Class.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2014, 09:15:59 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2014, 01:36:32 PM

Don't pay your bills and then threaten violence against the feds when you're called on it, brehs.

Only works if you're old and white, though.

That's not over, I'm sure the feds are just regrouping.

conservatives have been dreaming of an Obama Waco situation, they may get their wish. Apparently one of the militia guys planned on using women as human shields.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 15, 2014, 09:27:53 AM

Actively incite your listeners to break the law brehs.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2014, 09:29:03 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on April 15, 2014, 09:27:53 AM

Actively incite your listeners to break the law brehs.

:american

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on April 15, 2014, 12:37:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2014, 09:55:28 PM

via treesong
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlOOD1ACQAA2-lL.jpg:large)

(http://i.imgur.com/w6VZsOf.png)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 15, 2014, 01:05:02 PM

The righteous indignation of Clive Bundy is such white entitlement. You don't pay grazing fees because it's your land, but I bet he hasn't ever paid taxes for that land. I hope everyone supporting him are publicly humiliated.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2014, 02:33:14 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on April 15, 2014, 01:05:02 PM

I hope everyone supporting him are publicly humiliated.

That would require those people to have shame, and they do not.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2014, 04:31:06 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/phyllis-schlafly-gender-pay-gap

While women prefer to HAVE a higher-earning partner, men generally prefer to BE the higher-earning partner in a relationship. This simple but profound difference between the sexes has powerful consequences for the so-called pay gap.

Suppose the pay gap between men and women were magically eliminated. If that happened, simple arithmetic suggests that half of women would be unable to find what they regard as a suitable mate.

Obviously, I'm not saying women won't date or marry a lower-earning men, only that they probably prefer not to. If a higher-earning man is not available, many women are more likely not to marry at all.

Take that, feminists. Can't argue with science and math. :smug

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2014, 04:33:45 PM

At first I was like "whoa, isn't she dead!?"  Then I realized I was thinking of Jeanne Kirkpatrick.

All white people look alike.   :yeshrug

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on April 15, 2014, 07:12:46 PM

When I first saw that chart on Twitter I was thinking the "catch" must be that the drop just came from killings that would previously have been considered "murder" no longer being counted as such thanks to the definition changing under SYG  :lol I r dumdum, should be retroactively (bale-)fired from ever having worked on Excel (did I mention I used to work on Excel)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 15, 2014, 08:30:52 PM

Quote

Last week, former presidents and dignitaries celebrated the 50th anniversary of the Civil Rights Act, which bans many forms of employment discrimination and whites-only lunch counters, among other things. This week, a Republican congressman declared that he’s not sure if the Civil Rights Act is even constitutional.
 
Rep. Ted Yoho (R-FL), a freshman congressman aligned with the Tea Party, held a town hall Monday evening in Gainesville where he fielded a wide range of questions from constituents. One such voter was Melvin Flournoy, a 57-year-old African American from Gainesville, who asked Yoho whether he believes the Civil Rights Act is constitutional.
 
“Is it constitutional, the Civil Rights Act?” the Florida Republican replied. “I wish I could answer that 100 percent. I know a lot of things that were passed are not constitutional, but I know it’s the law of the land.”

"Bubububu a higher percentage of Republicans than Democrats voted on the CRA!"

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2014, 07:50:01 AM

Obama was not the hero we needed, but he was the hero we deserved.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on April 16, 2014, 10:32:00 AM

What is President Petulant Pissant up to today?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2014, 12:21:09 PM

Quote from: helios on April 16, 2014, 10:32:00 AM

What is President Petulant Pissant up to today?

Scheming the takeover of the rest of Ukraine.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 12:25:00 PM

Quote from: helios on April 16, 2014, 10:32:00 AM

What is President Petulant Pissant up to today?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/schedule/complete

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 05:29:03 PM

Quote

"This is not your grandfather's NATO anymore."--Thomas Friedman, New York Times, March 30, 2003

"Friends, we are in the midst of an energy crisis--but this is not your grandfather's energy crisis."--Friedman, New York Times, Jan. 20, 2006

"Well, my general view is that this isn't your father's recession; it's your grandfather's recession."-- Paul Krugman, New York Times website, Feb. 13, 2009

"To appreciate the problem, you need to know that this isn't your father's recession. It's your grandfather's, or maybe even (as I'll explain) your great-great-grandfather's."--Krugman, New York Times, Feb. 20, 2009

"I've been saying for almost a decade now that what we have these days aren't your father's recessions, they're your grandfather's recessions."--Krugman, New York Times website, Jan. 17, 2011

"And this is the relevant history we should be looking at: this isn't your father's slump, it's your grandfather's slump."--Krugman, New York Times website, Sept. 19, 2011

"If Israelis want to escape that fate, it is very important that they understand that we're not your grandfather's America anymore."--Friedman, New York Times, Nov. 11, 2012

"This is not your grandfather's battlefield."--Friedman, New York Times, Feb. 2, 2014

"We're not dealing anymore with your grandfather's Israel, and they're not dealing anymore with your grandmother's America either."--Friedman, New York Times, April 16, 2014

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2014, 05:42:44 PM

Quote

Missouri Mayor Says He 'Kind Of Agreed' With Alleged Jewish Center Shooter



The mayor of a small Missouri town has mostly nice things to say about the white supremacist accused of killing three people at Jewish facilities last weekend.

Marionville, Mo. Mayor Dan Clevenger spoke warmly this week of Frazier Glenn Miller, who allegedly went on a killing rampage on Sunday in Overland Park, Kan.

"He was always nice and friendly and respectful of elder people, you know, he respected his elders greatly. As long as they were the same color as him," Clevenger said while laughing, according to television station KSPR. "Very fair and honest and never had a bit of problems out of him."

Clevenger said he sympathized with some of Miller's views, but didn't like to broadcast that.

"Kind of agreed with him on some things but, I don't like to express that too much," Clevenger, the owner of a local repair shop, said.

He told CNN this week that he didn't buy some of Miller's claims.

"He had a lot of hate built up inside of him," Clevenger said. "And every time he'd come down here, he'd go on about different races -- mainly Jews. He claims they're all bad, but I don't believe that."

However, KSPR unearthed a letter to the editor that the mayor sent nearly a decade ago to a newspaper in Aurora, Mo. in which he expressed admiration for Miller's mission.

"I am a friend of Frazier Miller helping to spread his warnings," Clevenger wrote, according to KSPR. "The Jew-run medical industry has succeeded in destroying the United State's workforce."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/frazier-glenn-miller-marionville-dan-clevenger

Is this the Stoney Mason approach to antisemitism?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 16, 2014, 05:43:54 PM

Quote

He seemed to stand by those positions in his interview with KSPR, blaming Jews for the country's economic woes.

"There some things that are going on in this country that are destroying us. We've got a false economy and it's, some of those corporations are run by Jews because the names are there," he said. "The fact that the Federal Reserve prints up phony money and freely hands it out, I think that's completely wrong. The people that run the Federal Reserve, they're Jewish."

:neogaf

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 05:44:50 PM

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"And every time he'd come down here, he'd go on about different races -- mainly Jews. He claims they're all bad, but I don't believe that."

"Just the Jews, and they got what's coming to them."

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on April 16, 2014, 09:56:25 PM

sometimes i wish the volcanoes in missouri were still active

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 16, 2014, 10:52:41 PM

Quote from: Greg Gutfield

Yay, it's tax day! Or for seventy million households: Tuesday, because for them they pay no federal income tax so they're left wondering why everyone's at the post office sweating through their shirts. I don't blame them, I envy them! A tax form to them is like a coupon for Head and Shoulders if you're bald. This is how dependence works, big government is grand if you don't feel it's hand.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/16/1292522/-Fox-News-Gutfeld-envies-Americans-too-poor-to-pay-income-tax? (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/04/16/1292522/-Fox-News-Gutfeld-envies-Americans-too-poor-to-pay-income-tax?)

Lucky duckies!

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2014, 11:25:27 PM

Surely he acknoedges they pay state taxes, right. Right?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2014, 11:26:41 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 16, 2014, 05:46:15 PM

yup, thats my state :dead

Guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about:  :yeshrug

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The professor who invited Miller to speak was David Embree, an adjunct professor of religious studies, reports Inside Higher Ed. The class was an interterm course on cultural and religious subgroups.

“One of the groups that students were pretty fascinated by and wanted more on was white supremacists,” Embree said, according to Inside Higher Ed. “One of the things I’ve found with many of these groups is that if I tell the story myself, [the students] don’t believe me. They just think I’m trying to make them look bad.”

In no uncertain terms, Embree explained that he detests Miller and everything he stands for.

“My acquaintance with Glenn Miller is a couple of phone calls and one hour in a classroom,” Embree added, according to Inside Higher Ed. “He epitomizes the worst possible manifestation of white supremacy/British Israelism and demonstrated to the 12 students who heard him speak that his philosophy is repulsive and truly threatening.”

In an email, a Missouri State spokesman called the Springfield, Mo. school a “marketplace of ideas.”

After the class, a person representing himself as Miller showed up on the Vanguard News Network, an antisemitic, white supremacist website, to vent about his appearance in shockingly racial and anti-Semitic terms.

“The two extremely ugly kikes, one fat one skinny, did not deny one single charge I made against the jews,” Miller seems to have written under his screen name, Rounder. “Their several questions were incredibly stupid, really. They did remain defiant with frowns the whole time, though. Noses stuck up in the air as if to dare me to do something about jewish attrocities [sic].”

“Time flew” during the two hours he was in the class, Rounder recalled. Topics included the “holyhoax” (presumably the Holocaust), “black crime, Federal Reserve” and “jewish leadership of the bolshevik revolution.”

“[A]t one point, I raised up and blurted out, ‘Hell yes, I hate you and all jews, and you all deserve my hate for what your people have done to mine,’” Rounder wrote.

He quotes himself as saying, “I’ve proven in simple math that our race is dying out rapidly. I’ve also given you evidence that the jews are responsible.”

Rounder ended  his Vanguard News posting with the words “Heil Hitler !!!”

Under Rounder’s posting, there is a lot of dialogue about the class discussion—much of it by Rounder.

“You are an inspiration, Rounder,” wrote Vanguard member elbwgreez (who identifies himself with an image of a young Adolph Hitler). “Judging from your excellent radio interviews I know you were prepared and a quick wit, as always. However, I suspect that that your opponents under-estimate your debate skills, leaving them at a disadvantage.”

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 16, 2014, 11:26:46 PM

It's all thanks to that fucking pink Reagan and his EITC

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 17, 2014, 01:16:47 AM

Gutfield is envious of people who make so little that they don't have to pay federal income tax. :neogaf

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2014, 04:20:56 PM

Shots fired:

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[Reagan] would be rolling over in his grave to hear Rand Paul praise him.

Let’s talk about Ronald Reagan, the real president: One of the most massive increases in defense spending in our history which we needed and which led to the demise ultimately of the Soviet Union; invading Grenada; aiding the Contras against the Sandinistas; bombing Libya…

But if Rand Paul thinks that Ronald Reagan is his model, then it’s not incoherent, it’s fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB8Ehb9jd8

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2014, 04:36:47 PM

I never knew I agreed with John Bolton on anything, but waddyaknow, Rand Paul IS a fraud, so I guess we've got that in common.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 17, 2014, 04:39:23 PM

Paul vs. Bolton!  Real clash of the intellectual titans, fighting for the soul of yadda yadda yadda.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2014, 05:17:38 PM

Hillary is gonna be our first GILF-in-chief.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/04/17/chelsea-clinton-announces-shes-pregnant-with-first-child/?hpt=hp_t2

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on April 17, 2014, 06:55:11 PM

Letting them be delusional and lose sounds good to me. :teehee

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2014, 08:46:37 PM

:lol @ y'all acting like there are a lot of people out there who will/can be persuaded to change their view on the ACA

 :neogaf

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2014, 08:53:12 PM

The disapproval gap is twice as big now as it was during June 2010 and August 2012. It was down to -8 last October before shooting up to -19 a month later. There's seemingly no connection to the actual policy or even the news cycle. (Polling got BETTER during the botched rollout, then got worse after it stabilized!)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 17, 2014, 08:55:33 PM

I would like it if more polls asked the second question of those who disapprove to see if they want it to be more left wing or more right wing

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2014, 09:46:42 PM

Obamacare will probably be a 50-50 type debate by October, barring some unforseen issue. I think the more important thing is the continued realization that no, Obamacare isn't going to destroy healthcare as we know it, kill old people, endanger the disabled, etc. There will be a sizable level of pushback for years, largely from conservatives, but as more regular people begin to not care about the law, it'll become less of a major issue.

A great example is that recent Gallup poll that shows about 56% of republicans believe Obamacare is going to harm them, which is down from like 90% just a few months ago.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2014, 11:03:38 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 17, 2014, 04:47:17 PM

8 million enrolled through the exchanges. Boom.

(http://i.imgur.com/2QZ2ffM.jpg)

 :whew

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2014, 11:50:53 PM

the ether moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTOvPwVtpo&t=17m18s)
:sabu

imagine the jimmies that were rustled by this

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 18, 2014, 04:15:48 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2014, 11:50:53 PM

the ether moment (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BTOvPwVtpo&t=17m18s)
:sabu

imagine the jimmies that were rustled by this

I don't have to imagine, youtube has a comments section.  :heh

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 18, 2014, 04:42:58 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 17, 2014, 04:20:56 PM

Shots fired:

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[Reagan] would be rolling over in his grave to hear Rand Paul praise him.

Let’s talk about Ronald Reagan, the real president: One of the most massive increases in defense spending in our history which we needed and which led to the demise ultimately of the Soviet Union; invading Grenada; aiding the Contras against the Sandinistas; bombing Libya…

But if Rand Paul thinks that Ronald Reagan is his model, then it’s not incoherent, it’s fraud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JnB8Ehb9jd8

Did...did John Bolton just list off the Iran-Contra thing is a positive for Reagan?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2014, 06:32:05 PM

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/78755/large/ACA_Satire.png?1397804516)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on April 18, 2014, 06:36:18 PM

What's up with these weird graphs lately?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2014, 06:37:44 PM

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The gang on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" is usually game to analyze (if not set) the latest political narrative, but as Andrew Ross Sorkin proved on Friday, even that show has limits.

Following a discussion about Hillary Clinton's poll numbers, the New York Times financial columnist eagerly turned the panel's attention to the real story.

"Can we talk about the human drama that is Grandma Clinton?" Sorkin asked, referring to Chelsea Clinton's announcement that she's pregnant.

"I don't want to be cynical and I'm not suggesting anyone's having a baby for election purposes, but —" Sorkin added before being drowned out by the panel's collective groans.

And with that, Sorkin had lost the room, despite his best efforts to salvage his argument. He insisted that the pregnancy was a game changer for Hillary Clinton.

"It's gonna change the dynamic of the campaign," he said.

How exactly?

"It's a softening, there's a compassion thing," Sorkin explained. "You don't think that over the next two years on the campaign trail this is gonna be part of the narrative? Come on. That's interesting."

The other panelists did not find his observation interesting.

:lol

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2014, 06:44:23 PM

reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO2dScuNnDI

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2014, 07:02:16 PM

Gross, places outside of Common Dreams are picking up that PRINCETON STUDY.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/princeton-experts-say-us-no-longer-democracy
http://www.policymic.com/articles/87719/princeton-concludes-what-kind-of-government-america-really-has-and-it-s-not-a-democracy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvJ1ZuJDNbQ

Wonder how Northwestern feels about Benjamin Page getting called a Princeton researcher.  :hitler

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 18, 2014, 08:41:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2014, 06:44:23 PM

reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO2dScuNnDI

What exactly is being discussed? I watched the whole thing and I couldn't remember what had been said. Was it the 'fundamentals of the economy are strong" thing?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2014, 09:27:25 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 18, 2014, 08:41:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2014, 06:44:23 PM

reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO2dScuNnDI

What exactly is being discussed? I watched the whole thing and I couldn't remember what had been said. Was it the 'fundamentals of the economy are strong" thing?

It was from that week/month when it was revealed McCain had like 8 houses, and had told a reporter than middle class=making $400,000 a year.

Just a case of Beltway stupidity in the search of the exclusive lede.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 18, 2014, 10:27:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2014, 09:27:25 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on April 18, 2014, 08:41:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2014, 06:44:23 PM

reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO2dScuNnDI

What exactly is being discussed? I watched the whole thing and I couldn't remember what had been said. Was it the 'fundamentals of the economy are strong" thing?

It was from that week/month when it was revealed McCain had like 8 houses, and had told a reporter than middle class=making $400,000 a year.

Just a case of Beltway stupidity in the search of the exclusive lede.

Ah. McCain's Benghazi, why didn't you say so

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on April 19, 2014, 12:01:10 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/CHKcQjR.jpg)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on April 19, 2014, 05:58:34 PM

Ha, if only.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2014, 07:21:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwVDYjlTe4

:american :american :american :american :american :american

PMSNBC college intellectual taco annihilated

:american :american :american :american :american :american

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on April 20, 2014, 11:42:47 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 20, 2014, 07:21:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrwVDYjlTe4

:american :american :american :american :american :american

PMSNBC college intellectual taco annihilated

:american :american :american :american :american :american

Damn, that's a nice BBW. Shame about her political beliefs...

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2014, 11:53:37 AM

She's pretty fine :leon

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 20, 2014, 04:28:10 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-brooks-obama-manhood-problem

Maybe we should ask Osama bin Laden about this perceived manhood problem.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 20, 2014, 06:10:17 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/fbi-uncovers-alqaeda-plot-to-just-sit-back-and-enj,35788/ (http://www.theonion.com/articles/fbi-uncovers-alqaeda-plot-to-just-sit-back-and-enj,35788/)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 20, 2014, 06:56:41 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 20, 2014, 04:28:10 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-brooks-obama-manhood-problem

Maybe we should ask Osama bin Laden about this perceived manhood problem.

Once you get past Brooks' cordiality and soft-spokenness, it becomes clear he's just as much of a right-wing gasbag as your average Fox News host.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on April 20, 2014, 10:51:52 PM

Manhood problem?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx3a0bos8aY

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2014, 10:15:13 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 20, 2014, 04:28:10 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-brooks-obama-manhood-problem

Maybe we should ask Osama bin Laden about this perceived manhood problem.

Remember when Bush waved his penis all over the Middle East for 8 years and fixed all the world's problems? Good times.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2014, 10:39:37 AM

brb writing cuckold scene involving Obama, Brooks, and Chris Matthews.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2014, 03:05:49 PM

republicans sure love talking about Barry's dick game. Let's not forget:

Quote

"I think I've said before that I think a speech by Barack Obama is a lot like sex. The worst there ever was is still excellent, and I thought he gave a very competent performance tonight," he said during CNN's post-speech coverage.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/alex_castellanos_obama_sotu_like_sex

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2014, 08:43:28 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/21/the-precious-gift-glenn-beck-regrets-giving-mitt-romney-to-this-day/

Stan for rich fucks, get surprised when they don't give a crap about you, brehs. :umad

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2014, 02:22:55 AM

Came across this which is neat: http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/SaezZucman2014Slides.pdf

(http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/11-28-11pov-rev4-17-14-f5.png)
(http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/533769e36bb3f7fa31f1d257/youll-never-look-at-the-wealthiest-1-the-same-way.jpg)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2014, 02:28:01 AM

Unrelated, how did I never know this about Jeffrey Toobin:  :lol
http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/08/20/jeffrey-toobin-preaches-on-sanctity-of-government-secrets-despite-once-stealing-classified-documents/
shorter tl;dr version: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/21/1232754/-When-Jeff-Toobin-was-Snowden-and-Greenwald-but-just-for-money

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Toobin, it turned out, had been using his tenure in Walsh’s office to secretly prepare a tell-all book about the Iran-contra case; the privileged documents, along with a meticulously kept private diary (in which the young Toobin, a sort of proto-Linda Tripp, had been documenting private conversations with his unsuspecting colleagues) were to become his prime bait to snare a book deal.   Toobin’s conduct enraged his fellow lawyers in Walsh’s office, many of whom viewed his actions as an indefensible betrayal of the public trust.  Walsh at one point even considered pressing for Toobin’s indictment.

...
During our negotiations over the timing of the book’s publication, Toobin and his publisher surprised us with a preemptive suit to enjoin me from interfering with the publication or punishing Toobin for having stolen hundreds of documents, some of them classified, and for exposing privileged information and material related to the grand jury proceedings. I could understand a young lawyer wanting to keep copies of his own work, but not copying material from the general files or the personal files of others.

I was reminded just recently about Sandy Berger destroying documents, I'm always kinda fascinated how nobody gives a shit about these kinds of things.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 22, 2014, 02:33:48 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 22, 2014, 02:22:55 AM

Came across this which is neat: http://gabriel-zucman.eu/files/SaezZucman2014Slides.pdf

http://www.cbpp.org/images/cms/11-28-11pov-rev4-17-14-f5.png
http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/533769e36bb3f7fa31f1d257/youll-never-look-at-the-wealthiest-1-the-same-way.jpg

Surprised this is new to you.  The Saez stuff on income inequality has been all over liberal blogs for the last few years.  His research is probably behind 90+% of the charts/infographics/factoids people post about the super-rich on social media.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2014, 02:38:02 AM

Not the income inequality, the wealth estimations.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 22, 2014, 02:58:16 AM

Oops, didn't read carefully.

Bookmarked those slides.  Not surprising, given the previous income inequality research, but still very interesting.  Besides the results themselves, the process they went through.  We're rather spoiled by the BLS keeping track of things in close to real time, and putting together a historical time series like this takes a lot of work.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 22, 2014, 02:45:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dc_AAje-4l0

:rofl

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 22, 2014, 04:11:02 PM

Well, I'm convinced!

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 23, 2014, 04:37:38 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2014/04/23/3429722/irs-records-tea-party/

Breaking story on fox news!

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 23, 2014, 05:04:24 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/19/Cliven-Bundy-and-the-Origins-of-the-American-Abundance-Revolution

Quote

Today, America is not only exponentially richer than it was 50 years ago, it is also safer and more secure. Powered by cheap energy, we make things here at home, and we use our brains to keep finding more energy, more REE, and more wealth. We enjoy all the wonders that we once thought we could not afford, from first-rate infrastructure and generous old-age pensions to organ regeneration to minimal taxes—even a budget surplus. We are protected by missile defense, even as adventurous Americans embark on deep-space travel.

Yes, it’s been a great half-century for America, and we owe much of our good fortune to the bravery of Cliven Bundy.

:neogaf :dead :neogaf :dead

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 23, 2014, 05:14:17 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 23, 2014, 05:04:24 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/04/19/Cliven-Bundy-and-the-Origins-of-the-American-Abundance-Revolution

Quote

Today, America is not only exponentially richer than it was 50 years ago, it is also safer and more secure. Powered by cheap energy, we make things here at home, and we use our brains to keep finding more energy, more REE, and more wealth. We enjoy all the wonders that we once thought we could not afford, from first-rate infrastructure and generous old-age pensions to organ regeneration to minimal taxes—even a budget surplus. We are protected by missile defense, even as adventurous Americans embark on deep-space travel.

Yes, it’s been a great half-century for America, and we owe much of our good fortune to the bravery of Cliven Bundy.

:neogaf :dead :neogaf :dead

:lawd

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2014, 06:29:28 PM

:obama

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2014, 06:37:40 PM

Bundey joins Saul Alinsky and the Muslim Brotherhood on the "People/Things Conservatives Didn't Know About 6 Months Prior to Them Becoming The Most Important Thing In The World" list.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 23, 2014, 07:49:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 23, 2014, 06:37:40 PM

Bundey joins Saul Alinsky and the Muslim Brotherhood on the "People/Things Conservatives Didn't Know About 6 Months Prior to Them Becoming The Most Important Thing In The World" list.

6 months ago the 2nd Battle of Concord hadn't happened yet, where-in Cliven Bundy channeled the spirits of the founding fathers to drive back the tyranny of King George Hussein Obama III.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on April 23, 2014, 11:14:00 PM

Haven't really followed the whole Bundy situation, aside from my one libertarian friend posting about how much of a hero he is (surprising, I know)... based on what I know, it seems that Bundy was squatting but it was overkill having armed troops come to his house.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2014, 11:34:10 PM

Star Trek only has plot-convenient scarcity.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 12:47:00 AM

Quote from: tiesto on April 23, 2014, 11:14:00 PM

Haven't really followed the whole Bundy situation, aside from my one libertarian friend posting about how much of a hero he is (surprising, I know)... based on what I know, it seems that Bundy was squatting but it was overkill having armed troops come to his house.

The BLM agents didn't go to his house. They were rounding up his cattle that were grazing on public land. He and several hundred armed militia members confronted them near where the cows were being corralled [again, on public land]. The cows were released because getting into a huge shootout wouldn't have benefited anybody in that situation.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 01:06:14 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 12:47:00 AM

The BLM agents didn't go to his house. They were rounding up his cattle that were grazing on public land. He and several hundred armed militia members confronted them near where the cows were being corralled [again, on public land]. The cows were released because getting into a huge shootout wouldn't have benefited anybody in that situation.

Except the cows...

Follow the money.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 01:34:33 AM

 :ohhh

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 24, 2014, 07:14:01 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-are-blacks-better-off-as-slaves

Now that he's won a confrontation with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing his cattle on federal land, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy has time to hold court on everything from abortion to the current state of "the Negro."

Bundy made some racially charged comments about government assistance in his daily news conference Saturday, according to a New York Times story published Wednesday.

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” the rancher began as he described a "government house" in Las Vegas where he recalled that all the people who sat outside seemed to "have nothing to do."

“And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he said, as quoted by the Times. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

Hitch your wagon to another winner GOP  :neogaf

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 08:25:09 AM

 :american Just like the Founding Fathers.  :american

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 24, 2014, 08:43:43 AM

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his daily news conference

:comeon

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2014, 08:52:44 AM

I bet all his militia friends will abandon him now that they've learned that he's racist.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 08:54:37 AM

This guy. :neogaf

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2014, 09:31:02 AM

It should be pretty clear what he's doing here, or what he was told to do. Harry Reid got in some trouble a few years ago for saying Obama didn't use a "Negro dialect" and didn't receive much of any pushback from the media or democrats. The GOP has decided attacking Reid is an allegedly good way to build base momentum. The inevitable denouncements that occur now will spur Bundy, Fox, and republicans to point out no such outrage occurred on the left when Reid used the same word.

Nevermind that Bundy went overboard into blatant racial rhetoric; the problem isn't saying "Negro" it's what comes afterwards. If we had a decent media it would be very easy to step over this trap and simply ask Bundey supporters if they believe blacks are better off now than they were as slaves. Yes or no question.

I guarantee you Fox, right wing media, and certain GAF posters will bring up Reid today.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 24, 2014, 09:32:43 AM

I finally found some respected pundits who ably sum up my opinion on the whole Bundy situation in less than 30 seconds!

http://youtu.be/ZZvT2r828QY

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 09:43:06 AM

I can't wait to hear Bundy's thoughts on the gays and the A-rabs.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2014, 09:46:36 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2014, 09:31:02 AM

It should be pretty clear what he's doing here, or what he was told to do. Harry Reid got in some trouble a few years ago for saying Obama didn't use a "Negro dialect" and didn't receive much of any pushback from the media or democrats. The GOP has decided attacking Reid is an allegedly good way to build base momentum. The inevitable denouncements that occur now will spur Bundy, Fox, and republicans to point out no such outrage occurred on the left when Reid used the same word.

Nevermind that Bundy went overboard into blatant racial rhetoric; the problem isn't saying "Negro" it's what comes afterwards. If we had a decent media it would be very easy to step over this trap and simply ask Bundey supporters if they believe blacks are better off now than they were as slaves. Yes or no question.

I guarantee you Fox, right wing media, and certain GAF posters will bring up Reid today.

That seems like a lot of work for a little bit. Can't they just say that Harry Reid knew about Benghazi or something?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 09:51:07 AM

FoxNews.com scrubbed every mention of Bundy on the front page. :neogaf

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2014, 10:01:22 AM

http://danaloeschradio.com/cliven-bundys-remark/

called it

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 10:06:17 AM

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Secondly, I hope no one is surprised that an old man rancher isn’t media trained to express himself perfectly.

:rofl

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 10:20:27 AM

Look, if you find out anything about a person or situation you've wasted time when you could be the first one out there taking an uncompromising moral stand on TV.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 24, 2014, 03:13:11 PM

Here's homeboy's "clarified remarks":

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I'm wondering if they're better off under a government subsidy and their young women are having the abortions and their young men are in jail and their older women and children are sitting out on the cement porch without nothing to do.

I'm wondering: Are they happier now under this government subsidy system than they were when they were when they were slaves and they was able to their family structure together and the chickens and the garden and the people have something to do?

So in my mind, are they better off being slaves in that sense or better off being slaves to the United States government in the sense of the subsidy? I'm wondering. The statement was right. I am wondering.

Dis nicca :neogaf

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 24, 2014, 03:20:44 PM

That dude just wants to own people.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 24, 2014, 03:22:02 PM

He'd be better off owning more land.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on April 24, 2014, 03:23:38 PM

You need people to work the land, and how you going to pay them if you can't even afford grazing fees?

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2014, 03:27:13 PM

He was just wondering, brehs.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2014, 04:15:06 PM

Nothing says slavery like the government buying your grits. For dinner.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 04:16:18 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-perry-cliven-bundy-reprehensible

After skipping the chance to denounce Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy's slavery remarks earlier Thursday, Texas Gov. Rick Perry's (R) office made clear later in the day that the governor found the comments "reprehensible."

During a morning interview on CBS, Perry had said that Bundy was "a side issue" in the larger debate about government overreach, saying that he hadn't seen Bundy's statements. But Perry spokesman Felix Browne elaborated on the governor's thinking later Thursday after he had read the interview.

"He hadn’t yet read them at the time at the time of the interview," Browne told Business Insider. "He has now had a chance to read Bundy’s comments and he thinks they are reprehensible and disagrees with them in the strongest possible way."

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hannity-bundy-slavery-repugnant

Conservative media titan Sean Hannity, formerly one of Nevada rancher Clive Bundy's strongest advocates, expressed his vehement disgust Thursday with the latter's remarks on slavery

Bundy's comments "are beyond repugnant to me. They are beyond despicable to me. They are beyond ignorant to me," Hannity said during his radio show.

He then turned his anger toward Democrats who would use Bundy's comments to attack conservatives.

"They want to say that conservatives are racist. Conservatives hate women," Hannity said. "Conservatives want old people to die, granny over the cliff. They want the young people to fend for themselves. They want to poison the air and poison the water."

"People that for the right reasons saw this case as government overreach now are branded because of the ignorant, racist, repugnant, despicable comments of Cliven Bundy," he said.

After playing a clip of Bundy trying to clarify what he meant, Hannity said: "Just turn it off. I don't want to hear it anymore. It's obnoxious, ignorant."

(http://trusoulradio.mobi/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/mj-laughing.gif)

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 24, 2014, 04:51:39 PM

Health care in the UK is like primary education in the US.  The government provides tax-funded services to everyone who wants to take advantage of it, but there are private sector insurers there just like there are private schools here.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 24, 2014, 04:59:01 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 24, 2014, 04:51:39 PM

Health care in the UK is like primary education in the US.  The government provides tax-funded services to everyone who wants to take advantage of it, but there are private sector insurers there just like there are private schools here.

Is there integrated busing between hospitals, and can Roma sit in the front?

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2014, 05:17:30 PM

I can't believe Hannity is falling for this lamestream media distraction instead of focusing on the real story, Obama's tyrannical Land Management Bureau and where we need to position the womenfolk when we march to war against them.

And also BENGHAZI.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2014, 05:26:28 PM

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article/20140424/BLOGS04/140429924

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Gov. Andrew Cuomo says that any possible interference by his administration into the operations of the recently disbanded Moreland Commission would not be subject to investigation.

In an interview Wednesday with the Crain’s editorial board, Mr. Cuomo responded to recent comments by Southern District U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara that he would take “very, very seriously any suggestion” that Mr. Cuomo’s office interfered with the Moreland Commission, which Mr. Cuomo empaneled in 2013 to investigate corruption in the state Legislature. Mr. Bharara declined to rule out investigating whether Mr. Cuomo’s office had sought to influence the commission.

But Mr. Cuomo told Crain’s that because he formed the Moreland Commission himself, his administration would have the legal leeway to be involved in its affairs.

“It’s not a legal question. The Moreland Commission was my commission,” Mr. Cuomo explained. “It’s my commission. My subpoena power, my Moreland Commission. I can appoint it, I can disband it. I appoint you, I can un-appoint you tomorrow.

"So, interference? It’s my commission. I can’t 'interfere' with it, because it is mine. It is controlled by me.”

Looks like they successfully located the corruption.  :comeon

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2014, 05:27:24 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bundy-minorities-against-us

"Where is our colored brother? Where is our Mexican brother? Where is our Chinese -- where are they?" Bundy said. "They're just as much American as we are, and they're not with us. If they're not with us, they're going to be against us."

Bundy noted that he "hardly ever" saw a black person until he was a teenager, and was surrounded by only white people during the press conference he was holding, according to the Post.

He then launched into a story about when he was working in Los Angeles during the Watts Riots in 1965.

"About two blocks south of Harbor Freeway, they were setting the world on fire," he said. "And who was setting it on fire? It wasn't We the People. It was the Negro groups -- people theirself were setting their own city on fire and raping their own city and stealing from their own city."

Bundy argued that the riots were a result of people lacking freedom, according to the Post.

:lol

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 05:47:37 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/health/veterans-dying-health-care-delays/

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(CNN) -- At least 40 U.S. veterans died waiting for appointments at the Phoenix Veterans Affairs Health Care system, many of whom were placed on a secret waiting list.

The secret list was part of an elaborate scheme designed by Veterans Affairs managers in Phoenix who were trying to hide that 1,400 to 1,600 sick veterans were forced to wait months to see a doctor, according to a recently retired top VA doctor and several high-level sources.

For six months, CNN has been reporting on extended delays in health care appointments suffered by veterans across the country and who died while waiting for appointments and care. But the new revelations about the Phoenix VA are perhaps the most disturbing and striking to come to light thus far.

Internal e-mails obtained by CNN show that top management at the VA hospital in Arizona knew about the practice and even defended it.

Dr. Sam Foote just retired after spending 24 years with the VA system in Phoenix. The veteran doctor told CNN in an exclusive interview that the Phoenix VA works off two lists for patient appointments:

There's an "official" list that's shared with officials in Washington and shows the VA has been providing timely appointments, which Foote calls a sham list. And then there's the real list that's hidden from outsiders, where wait times can last more than a year.

...

According to Foote, the elaborate scheme in Phoenix involved shredding evidence to hide the long list of veterans waiting for appointments and care. Officials at the VA, Foote says, instructed their staff to not actually make doctor's appointments for veterans within the computer system.

Instead, Foote says, when a veteran comes in seeking an appointment, "they enter information into the computer and do a screen capture hard copy printout. They then do not save what was put into the computer so there's no record that you were ever here," he said.

According to Foote, the information was gathered on the secret electronic list and then the information that would show when veterans first began waiting for an appointment was actually destroyed.

"That hard copy, if you will, that has the patient demographic information is then taken and placed onto a secret electronic waiting list, and then the data that is on that paper is shredded," Foote said.

"So the only record that you have ever been there requesting care was on that secret list," he said. "And they wouldn't take you off that secret list until you had an appointment time that was less than 14 days so it would give the appearance that they were improving greatly the waiting times, when in fact they were not."

"I feel very sorry for the people who work at the Phoenix VA," said Foote. "They're all frustrated. They're all upset. They all wish they could leave 'cause they know what they're doing is wrong.

"But they have families, they have mortgages and if they speak out or say anything to anybody about it, they will be fired and they know that."

Another market failure.  :fbm

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 06:54:13 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 24, 2014, 03:13:56 PM

The issue is that they ascribe sinister (and incorrect) motivations to the people who support those policies. For instance, I want universal healthcare because I think it would significantly improve the quality of life of many Americans, not because I want to see the government control every aspect of people's lives. I'd consider that a pretty important distinction.

I don't think the totalitarian left has sinister motives but I do think there is a bit of a curious fascination with "control" because of a belief system that orbits around the idea that periodic mass elections place "control" in "our hands" and hold the state accountable in some magical way.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2014, 12:08:44 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 24, 2014, 06:54:13 PM

magical

 :wag

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2014, 12:28:27 AM

the motive often boils down to giving people something to ensure they vote for you, or give you money.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2014, 12:34:46 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on April 25, 2014, 12:31:36 AM

I know there's that one quote from the LBJ administration that gets tossed around.

That may or may not actually be real, and probably isn't.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2014, 12:47:24 AM

LBJ was a traditional southern politician who brought infrastructure projects and other spending to his district; there's a story about him getting his town wired with electricity before surrounding towns. As a senator he brought big projects to Texas, and as president he traded projects for votes. If that quote is fabricated it's probably not far off from what he and most politicians believed at the time.

Tax cuts, infrastructure/union jobs, faith based organization grants, green energy loans. They all help somebody, and sometimes the rest of the country.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2014, 01:01:21 AM

BAH GAWD, YOU TELL ME WHICH COMMIE LOVIN LIBRUL MEDIA FLAPPIN HEAD SAID THIS NONSENSE ABOUT AMURRICAN PATRIOT CLIVEN BUNDY! YOU TELL ME NOW!

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I agree entirely with Chuck. First of all it isn’t enough to say I don’t agree with what he said. This is a despicable statement. It’s not the statement, you have to disassociate yourself entirely from the man. It’s not like the words exist here and the man exists here. And why conservatives, or some conservatives end up in bed with people who, you know, he makes an anti-government statement, he takes an anti-government stand, he wears a nice big hat and he rides a horse, and all of a sudden he is a champion of democracy. This is a man who said that he doesn’t recognize the authority of the United States of America. That makes him a patriot? I love this country, I love the Constitution, and it is the Constitution that established a government that all of us have to recognize. And for him to reject it was the beginning of all of this. And now what he said today is just the end of this.

And I think it is truly appalling that, as Chuck says, there are times when somehow simply because somebody takes an oppositionist stand, he becomes a conservative hero. You got to wait, you got to watch, you got to think about it. And look, do I have the right to go in to graze sheep in Central Park? I think not. You have to have some respect for the federal government, some respect for our system. And to say you don’t and you don’t recognize it and that makes you a conservative hero, to me, is completely contradictory, and rather appalling. And he has now proved it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/04/24/foxs-krauthammer-blasts-conservatives-for-their/199022 :teehee

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Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2014, 01:05:19 AM

Krauthammer felt so strongly that Bundy was in the wrong on this issue that he waited until after it was revealed that he was also a total racist scumbag to say anything.

Title: Re: UNSKEW OBAMACAREGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2014, 01:10:49 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2014, 01:09:37 AM

Awesome. Hopefully more libertarians jump on this wagon and stop running for public offices (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

How would you tell?

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2014, 01:16:53 AM

That reminds me that I thought The Onion should have done a "Florida signs up Pat Buchanan for health insurance one hundred thousand times" report on healthcare.gov.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2014, 02:22:51 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/25/cnn_anchor_to_bundy_how_does_it_feel_to_be_abandoned_by_your_friends_on_fox.html

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BILL WEIR, CNN: How does it feel to be abandoned by your friends on FOX? I mean, the only reason we could get you on tonight is because, I'm guessing, they didn't call.

CLIVEN BUNDY: I don't think that I've been abandoned. I think that maybe they misunderstood me a little bit. But I think FOX and I, and Hannity and I, are just right on. And I have no doubt that he would support me if he understood what's really in my heart, and I think he does understand me. I don't think there is a question there.

WEIR: Well, he called you ignorant, racist, repugnant and despicable.

BUNDY: Well, I hope I'm not that way. I tell you what, I'm not.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 25, 2014, 06:17:39 AM

I said goddamn!  :whew  That dude didn't pull any punches.

Also, thread title should be renamed to Bundyghazi.


edit: that smile the host did at the end. :neogaf

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 25, 2014, 07:22:30 AM

You know, I'm really glad that Cliven Bundy's fifteen minutes of fame are over, but I can't help but be disappointed over the reason that caused his conservative fanboys in the media to head for the hills. The man broke the law and lived like a moocher for twenty years, and when he was about to be punished for his transgressions, he decided he was going to KILL federal agents! And yet, few on the Right had any issue with that, and in fact, some (such as Sean Hannity) were actively encouraging this senile pinhead to make things a tad more interesting.

No, what ended up doing Bundy in wasn't his threats to commit a blatant act of sedition, but rather his horrendously racist remarks regarding the blahs. Of course those comments were idiotic and offensive, but what Bundy was doing before actually involved the possibility of multiple people actually getting KILLED.

When it comes to U.S. politics, I always feel like our priorities are almost always out of order.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2014, 09:26:49 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-mlk-rosa-parks-offended

"Maybe I sinned and maybe I need to ask forgiveness … but you know when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think and are feeling," Bundy eventually conceded.

"If I say 'negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' I'm not -- if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be offensive then Martin Luther King didn't do his job," he added.

:rofl

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2014, 11:29:56 AM

I just finished watching that. Excellent piece.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on April 25, 2014, 11:32:14 AM

I met a sovereign citizen at work before. Utterly crazy. Luckily, he was more on the peaceful end on the spectrum.

Most of them are like this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfVbiefMdNU

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2014, 12:38:06 PM

The last Maddow takedown I watched was her ridiculous Christie nonsense but this Bundy thing was well done.

Apparently Fox didn't do any segments for Bundy yesterday. They knew exactly what they were doing, and it was blatant incitement.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2014, 12:44:40 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2014, 12:35:56 PM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCto_bGIT2o

I'm pretty sure that's @Hiphoplives4eva
 :sabu

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on April 25, 2014, 06:47:34 PM

Saw this shared on a friend's FB:

Please make viral.

The media distorts information to the point of social division. This is a photo of myself and the resilient, often charismatic, and maybe not so tactful Cliven Bundy. He's a cowboy and a helluva family man, not an orator. One thing he definitely isn't - a racist. I found his comments to not only be NOT racist, but his own view of his experiences. Who the heck are we to determine another man's perspective on the world around him?! Just because Picasso's view of the world was abstract, does it negate the fact that his art was genuine? Furthermore, if you take the time to do your own research, you'll find that his statements about some black Americans actually hold weight. He posed a hypothetical question. He said, "I wonder IF" ... Hell, I'm black and I often wonder about the same about the decline of the black family. Bottom line is that we are all slaves in this waning republic, no matter our skin color. Mr. Bundy could have used any racial demographic as an example: Native Americans on reservations, whites in trailer parks, etc. He noticed the crippling effects of receiving government "assistance" and the long term result of accepting handouts. It's not progress at all. I challenge Sean Hannity, Rand Paul, and others to read my comment and reconsider their position in this matter. Individual liberties are at stake here, yours and mine. THAT is the issue. Don't let the liberal media and ignoramuses like Glenn Beck and that weasel Harry Reid make you lose sight of the real issue here: The federal government is a burgeoning behemoth and a bully on a once constitutional playground.

I sincerely hope you real patriots out there who can see through the smoke.

Semper Fidelis

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10150610_10152049979831850_6801101351100500961_n.jpg)

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2014, 06:55:38 PM

Quote from: tiesto on April 25, 2014, 06:47:34 PM

Saw this shared on a friend's FB:

Please make viral.

You should respond with:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/all-you-c00ns-caping-for-cliven-bundy-get-in-here-right-now.208647/

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2014, 07:16:38 PM

lol at all the liberals who were claiming this guy was racist, looks like that's been DEBUNKED

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on April 25, 2014, 07:17:14 PM

His thumb looks sceptic about the whole thing.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2014, 07:21:19 PM

Quote from: Rufus on April 25, 2014, 07:17:14 PM

His thumb looks sceptic about the whole thing.

I'll have to check my Marine Corp manual, but I think he's giving the "I'm being held against my will" sign.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2014, 07:42:24 PM

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/bundy-ranch-uncensored?click=feed

(http://i.imgur.com/bjTJR9T.jpg)

LAWD HAVE MERCY :neogaf

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2014, 07:50:55 PM

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"Is there really a black man in the house?” A lone “whoo” goes up from the folding chairs. "You’re with the media, right?” The cameraman nods, and the singer returns his focus to the folding chairs. “So, are we racists here today? That’s how they’re trying to spin this one — this is good. Channel 13 came at me the other day — a cute little blonde, of course. They sent her at me, y’know, go get the story! Go get the radical…” The generator cuts out, silencing the mic, and the story about how he isn’t a racist is lost.

I'm dying here! :rofl

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It’s dizzying and hot at the camp, and a very friendly man named Roy, wearing an Obama t-shirt with a joker smile painted on, hands me a cold bottle. He's from nearby Mesquite and has been a close friend and supporter of Bundy's these last few years. When I tell him I’m from New Mexico, the former cop says he has a very good buddy who used to work as a sheriff in my area.

“He got in a bit of trouble,” he chuckles. “He pulled over a carload of illegals one night, didn’t have room to haul ‘em all, so he put a chain around their neck and put a padlock through it, went to the next one, then he chained ‘em to a tree!”

He buckles with laughter as the story heats up. “Then he left ‘em and went to town to get his pickup to haul ‘em all back in. So, you might imagine, that didn’t play well — ha! You’re a young’un, but everything wasn’t against the law, way back when.”

:neogaf

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2014, 08:13:49 PM

I miss the good ol days when you could padlock people to a tree.  :fbm

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2014, 08:27:03 PM

(http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/boehner2.jpg)

 :lol

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2014, 08:36:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 25, 2014, 08:27:03 PM

(http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/boehner2.jpg)

 :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png)

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on April 25, 2014, 09:39:58 PM

emote plz

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 25, 2014, 10:13:47 PM

:boner

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 25, 2014, 11:24:36 PM

It's too bad we apparently lost Biz and his top shelf white people smiley skillz, brehs  :tocry

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2014, 12:03:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgqcviyBuLo

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RNC communications director Sean Spicer denounced the comments from the rancher who became something of a conservative hero earlier this month during a standoff with the federal government over gazing fees.

...

"I think the comments that Mr. Bundy made with respect to race and other things were inappropriate and wrong, 100 percent out of line and not part of the discourse we need to have," Spicer said. "But that being said, what I find fascinating as the chief spokesman for the Republican Party is that when a guy has a problem with cattle grazing and has a discussion about the size of the federal government and the overreach of the federal government, makes a comment every reporter calls the Republican National Committee asking for comment."

Spicer went on to accuse the media of ignoring incidents that involved Democratic politics.

"When similar incidents happen time and time again on the left," he said, "there is zero coverage. Absolutely zero."

Spicer said there had barely been any coverage of the fact that Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn's (D) campaign had tweeted a Chicago Sun-Times column that some found offensive. The column compared blacks who supported a GOP gubernatorial candidate to Jews who collaborated with the Nazis during World War II.

"A sitting Democratic governor does anti-semitic comments that were offensive to Republicans and blacks and there was no coverage," Spicer said. "So while I am willing to call out time and time again anyone who uses inappropriate language and the RNC has frankly gotten made — time and time again we are asked for student council elections to county officials to other officials when similar incidents happen on the left there is zero coverage."

Spicer stressed again and again that the GOP was being too closely linked with Bundy and his comments.

"The issue with Cliven Bundy has absolutely nothing to do with his party, zero," Spicer said. "He is a Nevada rancher that had a beef with the federal government's continued overreach and suddenly this became a question when he made some inappropriate comments about what every Republican needs to answer for. That's absolutely ridiculous."

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 12:16:39 AM

It should be noted Pat Quinn did not make anti-Jewish or anti-black comments: a dumbass on his staff tweeted something that compared black republicans to Jews who helped the Nazis.

But in general it's fair to say democrats take a lot less flak for ignorant comments, and tend to get lambasted less. But as the CNN lady said, part of that is because the problem isn't seen as having a problem with women, race, etc. The GOP is basically a white party - go look at the 2012 RNC and then look at the 2012 DNC, it's like night and day. So when democrats say ignorant shit there really isn't an existing narrative to tie it to.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 09:39:55 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 26, 2014, 03:44:10 AM

Except for the liberal plantation one

That gets brought up sometimes, but it doesn't really gain much traction outside of the right wing fringe. It's like the difference between the questions "which party cares the most about the issues facing minorities?" and "which party is most favored by whites?" The first would probably be more evenly split, but the Republican party would handily win the second question.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2014, 10:22:12 AM

Interestingly how many people who either use or hosted guests who used that phrase are now condemning Bundy's statement. I don't believe for a second that Hannity is outraged by Bundy's comments, they're close to republican canon at this point. How many times do conservatives compare the debt of the US to slavery? How many times do black conservatives argue black people were better off as slaves than they would have been in Africa? What about suggestions that blacks are brainwashed by liberals like slaves once were.

Bundy aired out their dirty laundry without a black republican present to say "you're absolutely right Bundy, in fact when I was in college..."

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2014, 10:34:58 AM

Yeah, the way he worded what he said was just too blunt. Instead of talking about "urban culture" or "welfare queens" or something a bit more of a dog whistle, he just flat out said "the Negro."

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 26, 2014, 02:35:02 PM

Yeah, I think the "negro" part would be what really did this dude in. I was wondering why this particular instance had a much bigger backlash than I would have otherwise expected.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 12:39:43 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/376607/obama-subverts-law-name-clemency-andrew-c-mccarthy

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So now it’s the pardon power.

To this point, in making a mockery of his core constitutional duty to execute the laws faithfully, the broad law-enforcement discretion the Constitution vests in the executive branch has been President Obama’s preferred sleight of hand.

...

Alas, the next item on the transformational-change agenda is undoing prior administrations’ faithful execution of the narcotics laws. The forward-looking prosecutorial-discretion doctrine is unavailing to address the past. That is where the pardon power comes in.

The Obama administration does not like the federal narcotics laws. The enmity goes way beyond the president’s nostalgic sympathy for pot smokers. And it has nothing to do with the philosophical objections of libertarians to the criminalization of drug use — we are talking, after all, about an administration whose zeal to intrude on our private lives could make Michael Bloomberg blush. Instead, like Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s incoherent dissent in the Supreme Court’s affirmative-action ruling this week — she argues that a public referendum banning racial discrimination is somehow racially discriminatory — the administration’s disdain for the drug laws owes to its obsession with race and the poisonous politics that flow from it.

For years before they came to power, the president and his underlings belonged to a confederacy of leftist defense lawyers, academics, and “community organizers” — the people who gave us the criminal-rights revolution of the 1960s and the resultant soaring crime rates of the 1970s. Their cart-before-the-horse illogic gave us “disparate impact”: The theory that perversely erases from our consideration the only thing that makes racism racism — the intention to discriminate by race. Instead, they conveniently overlook the social, cultural, and government-policy roots of crime rates in minority communities, and instruct us to deduce systemic racism from the mere happenstance of higher minority conviction rates. The absence of a scintilla of evidence of racism in the text or enactment of the criminal laws makes no difference.

This thinking pervaded the bench every bit as much as the bar and the law schools. Criminals were often given absurdly light sentences for serious offenses. Consequently, when the public finally demanded that meaningful action be taken against the rising tide of crime, elected officials who answer to the voters took some sentencing discretion out of the hands of judges who do not.

...

Just as our counterterrorism policy is skewed by over-lawyering — normal people are more concerned about whether our methods prevent terrorist atrocities than whether they give enough due process to terrorists — so too is law-enforcement policy. The Lawyer Left agitates over the racial composition of narcotics dealers. But if lawmakers were factoring race into the equation at all when they wrote the drug laws — and the statutes themselves are race-neutral, as the Constitution mandates — it was the victims of narcotics trafficking they had in mind. The only disparate impact of significance to normal people, those not obsessed with race or criminals’ rights, is the impact that crack dealing has had on minority communities. They have been ravaged.

...

As usual, the administration’s story is rife with fraud. Holder carefully talks about “non-violent” drug “offenders.” Obama riffs about “kids or individual users” supposedly “lock[ed] up . . . for long stretches of jail time.” You are left to imagine poor addicts who never hurt anyone but themselves, languishing for decades in some super-max prison. Yet federal drug enforcement targets felony drug dealers, not simple possession of drugs — the latter is left to the states. Mere users of marijuana and crack are not wasting away in federal penitentiaries. Moreover, an offender sentenced under a mandatory-minimum provision has necessarily committed a significant narcotics felony; the felony distribution of minor amounts of narcotics is not subject to a mandatory minimum, and judges maintain discretion to sentence those offenders to little or no jail time. Obama and Holder are talking about freeing what could amount to thousands of serious criminals.

...

A lawless president does more than violate his oath and demonstrate his unfitness. He forfeits trust. You say you want immigration reformed? You say you want drug policy rethought? Opinions on these matters vary widely, but one thing is for certain: It makes no sense to legislate on a subject that hinges on effective law enforcement unless you can trust that the law you pass will be the law. That means you have to be able to trust the president. With this president, it means waiting for the next president.

gross

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 12:41:12 AM

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Fifty-five percent (55%) of Likely U.S. Voters believe the government should be allowed to review political ads and candidates’ campaign comments for their accuracy and punish those that it decides are making false statements about other candidates. A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 31% oppose such government oversight. Fourteen percent (14%) are undecided.

AGGGGH EVEN GROSSER

:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :ussrcry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2014, 02:01:40 AM

Neo-cons really just don't have anything, do they?

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 27, 2014, 05:05:35 PM

Somebody's gonna get fired soon:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/27/foxs-howard-kurtz-slams-foxs-coverage-of-cliven/199044 (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/04/27/foxs-howard-kurtz-slams-foxs-coverage-of-cliven/199044)

 :whoo :whoo :whoo

Holy shitballs. Howard Kurtz goes to town on Fox News while hosting a show ON Fox News! I have never witnessed anything on this channel that was so blatant in calling out their own network. Even the reliably douchey Matt Lewis agreed with Kurtz' criticism.

And did Lewis just outright admit that Hannity and conservative media hoped that Bundy would get killed and become a martyr like with Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on April 27, 2014, 06:26:49 PM

I think he's doing them a favor. When the network actually owns the fact that they're biased, they need to show they got someone to call out their bullshit.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2014, 08:06:02 PM

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/04/the-obama-holder-clemency-program-subverts-the-law-and-promotes-crime.php

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One can sympathize with criminals who meet all of these criteria. But only leftists and some libertarians view criminal sentencing issues primarily from the criminal’s perspective. Society’s interests must also be given strong consideration. As Bill Otis says, individuals and communities victimized by the drug trade should be the focus of our concern, not the criminals who do the victimizing.

It is here, I think, that the substantive case for clemency breaks down. According to the Justice Department’s own study cited by Bill Otis, 77 percent of drug offenders will return to crime after their release. Thus, to release them prematurely from legally imposed sentences is virtually to guarantee more crime more quickly.

Do the clemency program’s criteria reduce the odds of recidivism? Perhaps. But a criminal with no history of violence, no known ties to gangs, and a record of okay conduct in prison still presents a risk of committing drug offenses (which are non-violent and not necessarily gang related) upon release. Absent empirical evidence that the risk is insubstantial, society’s interest is in requiring these felons to serve out their terms.

Society’s interest must, of course, be balanced by considerations of fairness. But Congress performed that balancing when it set the sentences in question and later declined to make new, lighter sentences retroactive.

In the end, therefore, we can say this about the Obama-Holder clemency program: it subverts the law by imposing by decree a measure Congress refused to pass under the Constitution’s legislative process; it will promote crime; and it does these things in order to obtain political advantage for Democrats.

To most of us, this is a travesty. To President Obama and Attorney General Holder, it’s a good day’s work.

:badass

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2014, 12:46:52 PM

Just in case you forgot that Sarah Palin is a gigantic pile of human excrement:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sarah-palin-waterboarding

Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin (R) says she wouldn't be afraid to torture terrorists if she were president.

"C'mon! Enemies who would utterly annihilate America, they would obviously have information on plots. They carry out jihad. Oh, but you can’t offend them. Can’t make them feel uncomfortable, not even a smidgen," Palin said on Saturday during a speech at the National Rifle Association's "Stand And Fight" rally. "Well, if I were in charge, they would know that waterboarding is how we baptize terrorists."

:comeon

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2014, 12:54:18 PM

That's part of the reason you aren't in charge, Sarah.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Vertigo on April 28, 2014, 03:13:05 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 27, 2014, 05:05:35 PM

And did Lewis just outright admit that Hannity and conservative media hoped that Bundy would get killed and become a martyr like with Ruby Ridge and Waco?

That was pretty ballsy. As that was the unspoken undercurrent to most of the rightwing news coverage. Hoping they'd see See Obamas 'federal Thugs' having a shootout with 'patriots' while woman and children were mown down.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2014, 04:43:00 PM

Equating baptism with torture sounds christian-like. :hitler

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2014, 07:53:12 PM

Morality aside that's actually a pretty good line.  :lol

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 02:05:33 AM

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Friday from Organizing for Action, the political group formerly known as the Obama campaign. It's signed by Ivan Frishberg, OFA's "climate change campaign manager":

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I have great news in the fight against climate change:

Just today, we removed a member of Congress from our list of climate change deniers--Rep. Michael Grimm (NY-11) announced that he agrees with the scientific consensus behind climate change.

That's huge--it's the biggest sign yet that the conversation around climate is changing. That's exactly why we've been organizing to make sure that climate change deniers feel the pressure from their constituents.

It's time to turn up the heat--add your name to join the fight against climate change deniers in Congress.

:lol

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on April 29, 2014, 07:53:11 AM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/the-pros-and-cons-of-gun-control,35887

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While anti-violence activists continue to push for stricter gun laws including an all-out ban on assault weapons, gun advocates have dug in their heels, arguing that banning firearms and concealed carry violates people’s rights. Here are arguments for and against gun control:

PROS OF GUN CONTROL:
Advances the NRA’s mission of responsibility with firearms
Cold, dead hands free to hold other things
Mailroom guy just stormed off after getting fired
Guns are so loud!
Nerds, freaks, and weirdos could once again be put in their place without fear of reprisal
Still hundreds of other ways to murder people out there
Family not worth defending

CONS OF GUN CONTROL:
Ugh, already bought so many guns
Leaves citizens defenseless against government with world’s largest military, vast stockpile of nuclear weapons
Shopping for wedding gift suddenly even harder
Already hollowed out Bible
Nothing to spin around finger when bored
May encounter some resistance
Bang! Bang! Bang! Woohoo!

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 01:21:53 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-sterling-power-line

Hinderaker concluded: "It is telling that this domestic upheaval between an aging billionaire and his gold-digging, disloyal mistress represents the best the Left can come up with to support its claim that racism and the “legacy of race and slavery and segregation” are alive and well. As for Sterling, he is merely collateral damage. That Lifetime Achievement award was almost in his grasp, when he became more useful to the Left as a villain. Something tells me, however, that Stiviano will land on her feet."

:neogaf

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on April 29, 2014, 02:26:55 PM

Whatever happened to loyalty among adulterers? :usacry

Obama's America.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 29, 2014, 02:31:24 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 29, 2014, 02:26:55 PM

Whatever happened to loyalty among adulterers? :usacry

Obama's America.

At least Reggie Love will never tell.  :whew

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 05:58:13 PM

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Congressman: Bundy Militia Has Set Up Road 'Checkpoints' In Nevada

A Democratic congressman from Nevada said in a letter this week that his constituents have reported the armed militia supporting rancher Cliven Bundy have set up checkpoints to verify the residency of anybody passing through.

Rep. Steven Horsford (D-NV), who represents the area, sent the letter Sunday to Clark County Sheriff Doug Gillespie, asking him to investigate.

"I am writing to bring your attention to the ongoing situation in northeastern Clark County which has caused many of my constituents to fear for their safety," Horsford wrote. Residents in the area "have expressed concern over the continual presence of multiple out-of-state, armed militia groups that have remained in the community" since Bundy's dispute with the Bureau of Land Management came to a boil.

The militia, as reported by Horsford's constituents, "have set up checkpoints where residents are required to prove they live in the area before being allowed to pass," the letter said.

They have also maintained a presence, sometimes armed, along highways and roads, as well as community sites like churches and schools, the letter asserted.

Journalists on the scene at the height of the Bundy Ranch standoff estimated as many as 1,000 protesters had gathered earlier this month.

Horsford Letter

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bundy-ranch-militia-checkpoints-horsford

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 06:07:30 PM

 :heh

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 07:38:57 PM

I LEARNED IT FROM YOU DAD

(http://tucsoncitizen.com/morgue/files/2009/05/l116274-1.jpg)

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2014, 08:22:30 PM

When those whackadoodles start providing essential services, they can start asking me where I live. Until then, eat a bag of dicks.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 29, 2014, 09:58:05 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 29, 2014, 08:22:30 PM

When those whackadoodles start providing essential services, they can start asking me where I live. Until then, eat a bag of dicks.

They're offering you a protection service. As in "that's a nice car you got there, be a shame if something happened to it" protection.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 10:03:56 PM

So, this happened in Oklahoma today:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/oklahoma-botched-execution

McALESTER, Okla. (AP) — An Oklahoma inmate whose execution was halted Tuesday because the delivery of a new drug combination was botched died of a heart attack, the head of the state Department of Corrections said.

Director Robert Patton said inmate Clayton Lockett (pictured, left) died Tuesday after all three drugs were administered.

Patton halted Lockett's execution about 20 minutes after the first drug was administered. He said there was a vein failure.

The execution began at 6:23 p.m. when officials began administering the first drug, and a doctor declared Lockett to be unconscious at 6:33 p.m.

About three minutes later, though, Lockett began breathing heavily, writhing on the gurney, clenching his teeth and straining to lift his head off the pillow. After about three minutes, a doctor lifted the sheet that was covering Lockett to examine the injection site. After that, an official who was inside the death chamber lowered the blinds, preventing those in the viewing room from seeing what was happening.

Patton then made a series of phone calls before calling a halt to the execution. He also issued a 14-day postponement in the execution of inmate Charles Warner, who had been scheduled to die on Tuesday, two hours after Lockett was put to death.

"It was extremely difficult to watch," Lockett's attorney, David Autry, said afterward. He also questioned the amount of the sedative midazolam that was given to Lockett, saying he thought it was "an overdose quantity." It was the first time Oklahoma administered midazolam as the first drug in its execution drug combination.

A four-time felon, Lockett, 38, was convicted of shooting 19-year-old Stephanie Neiman with a sawed-off shotgun and watching as two accomplices buried her alive in rural Kay County in 1999 after Neiman and a friend arrived at a home the men were robbing.

Warner had been scheduled to be put to death two hours later in the same room and on the same gurney. The 46-year-old was convicted of raping and killing his roommate's 11-month-old daughter in 1997. He has maintained his innocence.

Lockett and Warner had sued the state for refusing to disclose details about the execution drugs, including where Oklahoma obtained them.

The case, filed as a civil matter, placed Oklahoma's two highest courts at odds and prompted calls for the impeachment of state Supreme Court justices after the court last week issued a rare stay of execution. The high court later dissolved its stay and dismissed the inmates' claim that they were entitled to know the source of the drugs.

By then, Gov. Mary Fallin had weighed into the matter by issuing a stay of execution of her own — a one-week delay in Lockett's execution that resulted in both men being scheduled to die on the same day.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 10:13:13 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on April 29, 2014, 08:22:30 PM

When those whackadoodles start providing essential services, they can start asking me where I live. Until then, eat a bag of dicks.

What if they just send a bill.  :teehee

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on April 29, 2014, 10:19:11 PM

So, why not just use a single dose of whatever?

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 10:21:08 PM

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Officials in Oklahoma and other states have resorted to these methods because they can no longer access sodium thiopental, the anesthetic traditionally used in lethal injections, and another drug used to paralyze the condemned. The lone US manufacturer quit producing sodium thiopental in 2011, and international suppliers—​​particulalry in the European Union, which opposes the death penalty on humanitarian grounds—​​have stopped exporting both drugs to the United States. This has left states like Oklahoma scrambling to find new pharmaceuticals for killing death row inmates. Some have been reduced to illegally importing the drugs, using untested combinations, or buying from unregulated compounding pharmacies, a number of which have a history of producing contaminated products.

Death row inmates and their lawyers have protested on the grounds that these untested protocols could produce a level of suffering that violates the Eighth Amendment prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment, and they've sued for more information about the source and purity of the drugs. In response, several states have passed secrecy laws, allowing them to keep the names of their suppliers, and in some cases the contents of the lethal injection, under wraps. (Oklahoma is so eager to hide the source of its death drugs that it buys them with petty cash so there are no transaction records.) Death row inmates, in turn, have filed suits challenging the constitutionality of these secrecy statutes.

Via APKmetsfan on GAF: http://m.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/04/double-execution-tonight-ok-using-secret-experimental-drug-protocol

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 10:25:10 PM

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Oklahoma is so eager to hide the source of its death drugs that it buys them with petty cash so there are no transaction records.

 :what

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2014, 10:27:31 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2014, 10:25:10 PM

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Oklahoma is so eager to hide the source of its death drugs that it buys them with petty cash so there are no transaction records.

 :what

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Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2014, 10:51:11 PM

SMOKING GUN:

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Previously unreleased internal Obama administration emails show that a coordinated effort was made in the days following the Benghazi terror attacks to portray the incident as “rooted in [an] Internet video, and not [in] a broader failure or policy.”

Emails sent by senior White House adviser Ben Rhodes to other top administration officials reveal an effort to insulate President Barack Obama from the attacks that killed four Americans.

Rhodes sent this email to top White House officials such as David Plouffe and Jay Carney just a day before National Security Adviser Susan Rice made her infamous Sunday news show appearances to discuss the attack.

The “goal,” according to these emails, was “to underscore that these protests are rooted in an Internet video, and not a broader failure or policy.”

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/benghazi-emails-show-white-house-effort-to-protect-obama/
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/29/benghazi-emails-suggest-white-house-aide-involved-in-prepping-rice-for-video/

WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW AND WHEN DID HE KNOW IT?!?

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2014, 12:41:31 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/wall-street-republicans-hillary-clinton-2016-106070.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/wall-street-republicans-hillary-clinton-2016-106070.html)

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The darkest secret in the big money world of the Republican coastal elite is that the most palatable alternative to a nominee such as Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas or Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky would be Clinton, a familiar face on Wall Street following her tenure as a New York senator with relatively moderate views on taxation and financial regulation.

“If it turns out to be Jeb versus Hillary we would love that and either outcome would be fine,” one top Republican-leaning Wall Street lawyer said over lunch in midtown Manhattan last week. “We could live with either one. Jeb versus Joe Biden would also be fine. It’s Rand Paul or Ted Cruz versus someone like Elizabeth Warren that would be everybody’s worst nightmare.”

Most top GOP fundraisers and donors on Wall Street won’t say this kind of thing on the record for fear of heavy blowback from party officials, as well as supporters of Cruz and Rand Paul. Few want to acknowledge publicly that the Democratic front-runner fills them with less dread than some Republican 2016 hopefuls. And, to be sure, none of the Republican-leaning financial executives are so far suggesting they’d openly back her.

But the private consensus is similar to what Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein said to POLITICO late last year when he praised both Christie — before the bridge scandal — and Clinton. “I very much was supportive of Hillary Clinton the last go-round,” he said. “I held fundraisers for her.”

People close to Blankfein say the same calculus applies to a Jeb Bush-Hillary Clinton race as it would to a Christie-Clinton contest. “Those would be two very good choices and we’d be perfectly happy with them,” a person close to Blankfein said. Blankfein is a self-described Democrat, but his comments about Christie and Clinton reflect the ambidextrous political approach that many Republicans and Democrats on Wall Street take.

There are, of course, other GOP candidates who could emerge as favorites of the financial industry after making their case over the next few months.

...

Clinton, after all, was New York’s senator for eight years, where the financial district was a key constituency. She had many Wall Street rainmakers as advisers and friends. Her family has continued to work that network to try to stock the Clinton Foundation with a $250 million endowment before a presidential run. And she’s been out on the financial services speaking circuit, giving talks to Goldman Sachs and fireside-style chats with the heads of the Carlyle Group and the investment firm KKR.

Clinton warmed some hearts on Wall Street during a paid, closed-press speech to Goldman Sachs executives and other big donors last year when she said of the financial crisis, in essence: We all got into this mess together, and we’re all going to have to work together to get out of it. That line, as the people on hand interpreted her speech, reflects the feelings of many financiers. They know they played a role in the 2008 financial collapse but argue that many other factors did as well, including federal housing policy and irresponsible borrowers lying on mortgage documents. Wall Street sees in Clinton someone who would not look to score easy political points at its expense.

...

Ted Cruz, whose wife works at Goldman Sachs, is viewed negatively by many in the industry for his support of last year’s government shutdown and scorched earth approach to political battle. Cruz fired up an activist gathering in New Hampshire earlier this month with the kind of provocative populist message that makes bankers very nervous. “The rich and powerful, those who walk the corridors of power, are getting fat and happy,” Cruz thundered. At the same event, Paul argued that the GOP “cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people and Wall Street.”

...

And if none of the sitting governors or a Wall Street-friendly candidate like Ryan can wrest the nomination from the likes of a Paul or a Cruz?

“In that situation,” one Wall Street executive said, “then Hillary seems relatively tolerable.”

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2014, 12:43:41 AM

WHY DID HE SAY IT WAS AN ACT TERROR INSTEAD OF TERRORIST ACT?!?!?!

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2014, 11:22:25 AM

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First off, Stewart Rhodes, the head of one militia contingent, the Oath Keepers, said on Friday that he’d gotten “intel” from a highly placed source that Eric Holder and the Department of Justice were going to launch a “hot drone strike” on the Bundy Ranch, because that makes perfect sense. And while Rhodes suspected that the leak may have been deliberate disinformation designed to make the militia heroes look delusional, or more delusional, he also decided, as a precaution, to “evacuate all of his Oath Keepers that have been stationed” at the Bundy Ranch, for, like, security and stuff. This decision did not sit well with “Booda Bear,” the “head of security” for the Bundy Ranch. (Who made him “head of security”? We have no earthly idea; we get the impression it may be a self-appointed position, but who knows?)

In a YouTube interview with some super-patriot named Blaine Cooper, who asked Mr. Bear for a “sitrep.” That is SO AUTHENTICALLY MILITARY and COOL! The sitrep was that Booda Bear was not especially impressed by Rhodes’s “high value intelligence” — which turns out to have come from an anonymous tip line. Bear also emphasized that such defections are bad for the tactical situation, since “this is a battle front in some sense of the word and to remove them is kind of ah — that’s some yellow cur — ya know, spineless backbone, piece of shit maneuvering right there.”…

And so, since the Oath Keepers chickened out (in another very important video, the Booda Bear Loyalists take a vote and agree that it was “desertion” — swear to god, it is like watching goddamn Teddy Roosevelt and the fucking Rough Riders storm Omaha Beach during the Battle of Bunker Hill here, tell you what), Mr. Booda Bear proclaimed that since he and his guys “sleep in the dirt out here, we’re on shifts for 14hours a day and trying to make sure that this family [the Bundys] stays safe and secure,” there were going to have to be some changes made…

"and just so everybody knows, as Booda, head of security for the Bundy Family I can swear on the white skin that covers my ass there will not be an Oath Keeper — there WILL NOT BE AN OATH KEEPER allowed to set foot on the internal ranch property"

Oh my! This is the most exciting nonevent to ever not happen in the history of the country!

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2014, 11:30:32 AM

I'm sure all these dudes have jobs, and are just taking infinite time off to defend our country.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2014, 12:40:10 PM

"Booda Bear" :neogaf

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2014, 12:55:07 PM

Senate Dems actually doing something worthwhile? No way! But it's true:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/senate-vote-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united

The Senate will vote in 2014 on a constitutional amendment to undo Supreme Court rulings in recent years which invalidated campaign finance limits, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) said Wednesday.

The No. 3 Democratic senator made the announcement during a Senate Rules Committee hearing, saying his majority would hold a vote on Sen. Tom Udall's (D-NM) proposal, which would reverse decisions like Citizens United and McCutcheon and restore Congress's authority to set campaign finance limits.

"The Supreme Court is trying to take this country back to the days of the robber barons, allowing dark money to flood our elections," Schumer said. "That needs to stop, and it needs to stop now. The only way to undo the damage the court has done is to pass Senator Udall's amendment to the Constitution, and Senate Democrats are going to try to do that. Before the year is out, we're going to bring it up on the Senate floor for a vote, where we hope Republicans will join us in ensuring the wealthy can’t drown out middle-class voices in our democracy."

The proposal stands virtually no chance of gaining the two-thirds majority required in the House and Senate to amend the Constitution, much less being ratified by three-fourths of states. It is part of Democrats' election-year strategy in 2014, given the unpopularity of the Citizens United ruling. Republicans are largely supportive of the Supreme Court's decisions.

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/senate-vote-minimum-wage

Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has set up a procedural vote in the Senate for Wednesday to advance a bill hiking the minimum wage to $10.10 per hour, a central campaign issue for Democrats ahead of the 2014 congressional elections.

Sixty votes are needed to break a filibuster, and Democrats are unlikely to get there because not a single Republican senator is on board.

The bill, sponsored by Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA), is strongly backed by President Barack Obama. It would phase in the federal minimum wage hike, from the existing $7.25 per house, to $10.10 per hour over three years.

Harkin will be joined by Sens. Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Debbie Stabenow (D-MI) and Al Franken (D-MN) to tout the bill in the Capitol on Tuesday. Democrats have threatened to hold repeated votes on the measure in the event of a Republican filibuster.

Won't get past Republican filibusters in the Senate, of course, or pass through the House, but at least people will be able to see what absolute garbage the Republican party is.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 30, 2014, 12:58:56 PM

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we hope Republicans will join us in ensuring the wealthy can’t drown out middle-class voices in our democracy.

(http://i57.tinypic.com/50fiuw.jpg)

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 30, 2014, 01:01:40 PM

Why can't Obama lead and come up with a compromise on the minimum wage? Surely there are republicans who would support a $1 increase, instead of the nearly $3 increase Mr. Obama proposes. Imagine Obama and McCain doing a press conference, announcing support for a $1 increase in the minimum wage.

*wrings hands*

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on April 30, 2014, 01:26:47 PM

Technically, it is a $1 increase each year for 3 years.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2014, 01:58:36 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/senate-vote-constitutional-amendment-overturn-citizens-united

"The Supreme Court is trying to take this country back to the days of the robber barons, allowing dark money to flood our elections," Schumer said.

:usacry http://www.politico.com/story/2014/04/big-donor-secrecy-campaigns-fundraising-democrats-106186.html :usacry

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2014, 02:05:44 PM

And the Republicans have gleefully and publicly embraced these changes and will fight every step of the way to keep them from being rolled back.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2014, 11:48:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_04ZH_ZpJpo

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Even the august and ostensibly economically literate The Wall Street Journal tells him to read Animal Farm. Animal Farm, hmm. Isn't that Orwell's political parable of farm animals where a bunch of pigs hog up all the economic resources, tell the animals they need the food because they're the makers and then scare up a prospect of a phony boogie man every time their greed is challenged? Sounds familiar. Hey conservatives, it's time to stop the childish Cole War name-calling and deal with facts. Either that or be relegated to the kids and the crazy uncle table at holiday dinners.

:hitler

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2014, 12:20:23 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 30, 2014, 12:41:31 AM

Ted Cruz, whose wife works at Goldman Sachs, is viewed negatively by many in the industry for his support of last year’s government shutdown and scorched earth approach to political battle. Cruz fired up an activist gathering in New Hampshire earlier this month with the kind of provocative populist message that makes bankers very nervous. “The rich and powerful, those who walk the corridors of power, are getting fat and happy,” Cruz thundered. At the same event, Paul argued that the GOP “cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people and Wall Street.”

Wall Street bankers are even stupider than I thought if they're honestly worried about those two fucks ever daring to harm their bottom line.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2014, 12:39:46 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 01, 2014, 12:20:23 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 30, 2014, 12:41:31 AM

Ted Cruz, whose wife works at Goldman Sachs, is viewed negatively by many in the industry for his support of last year’s government shutdown and scorched earth approach to political battle. Cruz fired up an activist gathering in New Hampshire earlier this month with the kind of provocative populist message that makes bankers very nervous. “The rich and powerful, those who walk the corridors of power, are getting fat and happy,” Cruz thundered. At the same event, Paul argued that the GOP “cannot be the party of fat cats, rich people and Wall Street.”

Wall Street bankers are even stupider than I thought if they're honestly worried about those two fucks ever daring to harm their bottom line.

It's been well argued that many of the uber-wealthy are so insulated from the outside world that they're no longer able to accurately assess threats to their wealth.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 12:49:44 AM

The most obvious example being their ignorance of dogecoin.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 03:48:20 AM

Democrats continue to be exposed as the actual racists, first Cliven Bundy, then Donald Sterling, now this high level Democrat and Obama supporter:

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A piece of audio has surfaced reportedly featuring New Jersey Democratic mayoral candidate Marie Strumolo Burke making a racist outburst on a voicemail message, saying “This is terrible. This is terrible. This is gonna be a f**king n*gger town.” According to the Star-Ledger, the audio is believed to be of Burke yelling in the background of a voicemail message left by the former head of the planning board in Belleville, New Jersey.

The audio was obtained by Belleville Mayor Raymond Kimble, who just happens to be Burke’s opponent in the mayoral election. Kimble sent the audio to a forensics lab in Michigan and came away with the conclusion that it is “85 percent certain” Burke’s voice is the one on the tape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yslP59W-62Q

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 03:52:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyDtxx61TD0

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2014, 10:00:50 AM

The email mirrors CIA talking points, which the WH did not write. There's nothing new here.

I'd imagine there was some spin involved on the WH's part, but ultimately I don't buy that Obama's argument was that he defeated AQ and thus had to cover this up to save face. AQ was scattered by 2012, that's a fact. They have since regrouped but are still missing much of their leadership and large scale resources.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2014, 10:07:28 AM

How much longer can conservatives continue beating a dead horse that has already been beaten to smithereens?

Fun fact: The 9/11 Commission took from November 2002 to July 2004 to complete their investigation and compile their report. That's about 20 months. The attack in Benghazi occurred on September 2012 and continues to be "investigated" up to May 2014. That's about 19 months and counting. So...yeah.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2014, 11:45:32 AM

Obama didn't blow anyone up after Benghazi, so there's a lack of closure. If only we had a real leader like Sarah Palin in the WH.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2014, 11:56:27 AM

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Black GOP Candidate Defends Cliven Bundy's Racist Screed (VIDEO)

    When he talked about black people being enslaved, I have been saying this for the last eight years — by liberal Democrat policies. I don’t understand what the problem is. Oh, I get it. I can say it, but a white person can’t. A white person say it, the press is going to use it. Especially when that white person is engaged in something or involved in something that demonstrates how the government has overstepped its bounds. …

    Under slavery, families were ripped apart, and it was a desire of black men and black women to be together with their loved ones. Family meant something. Spouses meant something. Well, what did government policies do? It broke up the black family, told the black family: ‘Hey, if you want to receive this welfare check, the man can’t be in the household.’ Huh?

    Talk about government policies. In 1965, prior to that, illegitimacy in then black community was less than 13 percent. Today it’s over 70 percent. Government liberal Democrat policies. The man was just simply telling you the truth. Jesus.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cliven-bundy-georgia-derrick-grayson

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uoeZkOQxZMY

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Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2014, 12:11:58 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2014, 12:01:37 PM

What about black on black crime :dead

They'd be too tired for that if they were out picking cotton all day.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2014, 12:39:27 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2014, 12:11:58 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 01, 2014, 12:01:37 PM

What about black on black crime :dead

They'd be too tired for that if they were out picking cotton all day.

 :ohhh

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 01, 2014, 02:00:44 PM

In Auschwitz and other concentration camps, Jews were actually put to work and not making more babies then they could financially support. But you look at the ultra orthodox in Israel and see them with their huge families and no taxable income, maybe they are actually worse off today?

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on May 01, 2014, 03:25:11 PM

My cousins there are those. :snoop

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2014, 05:40:49 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/woman-a-leading-authority-on-what-shouldnt-be-in-p,35922/

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 09:25:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2014, 10:07:28 AM

How much longer can conservatives continue beating a dead horse that has already been beaten to smithereens?

Fun fact: The 9/11 Commission took from November 2002 to July 2004 to complete their investigation and compile their report. That's about 20 months. The attack in Benghazi occurred on September 2012 and continues to be "investigated" up to May 2014. That's about 19 months and counting. So...yeah.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/01/krauthammer_on_benghazi_emails_the_equivalent_of_what_was_discovered_with_the_nixon_tapes.html

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KRAUTHAMMER: Yes, because of the appearance of this memo. To me, it's the equivalent of what was discovered with the Nixon tapes. The point is that Republicans have done a terrible job in building the case. Even today I have to say, the questioning was disjointed. It was not organized. If they had appointed a special committee a long time ago, the way it was done in Watergate, we would have had answers on this and the country wouldn't be tired.

But what I did say was the reason it would not go anywhere is because the lack of interest of the other media. And what's changed now, and we saw it in the briefing room, is I think the other media are somewhat embarrassed by the fact that, unlike FOX, they allowed themselves to be stoned and spun and rolled for a year and a half and now the memo appears and it's obvious that they missed this story.

:usacry

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 09:27:27 PM

DATA DRIVEN JOURNALISM:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/what-states-are-in-the-midwest/
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/which-states-are-in-the-south/

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2014, 10:27:29 PM

I try not to have any hate in my life, but I still keep a little in my back pocket for Fox News.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2014, 10:45:14 PM

hey remember that thing Bundy said that was offensive?
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-analyst-obama-slavery

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2014, 10:52:34 PM

Angela McGlowan's appearances on Red Eye almost soured me on all black woman. She tried to bamboozle me with her annoying personality and voice.

Somebody must have challenged Santita on how many talking points she could get in during her first answer.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 02, 2014, 09:16:34 AM

It's sad the GOP would rather be able to keep the 47% moocher talking point instead of raising the minimum wage.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2014, 10:23:02 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/02/april-jobs-report-unemployment-rate_n_5249077.html

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/215281/thumbs/s-BOEHNER-large.jpg)

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2014, 11:07:16 AM

That's not a good report outside of previous months seeing revision increases. Slowly drowning brehs.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2014, 11:59:26 AM

Actually, the numbers over the past several months (excluding this month's) have shown job growth exceeding any drop in unemployment. This means people who previously gave up have returned to the work force. :wag

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 02, 2014, 12:10:37 PM

I know 2 people(1 being my dad) that got jobs when UI ran out. Blame the GOP for not renewing UI. :hitler

The new talking point now is "But how many employers have paid?"

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2014, 12:19:05 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 02, 2014, 11:59:26 AM

Actually, the numbers over the past several months (excluding this month's) have shown job growth exceeding any drop in unemployment. This means people who previously gave up have returned to the work force. :wag

The participation rate dropped this month, with 800k people leaving the work force. Obviously a lot of this has to do with baby boomer retirements and perhaps also some folks quitting to start their own businesses (CBO's Obamacare report comes to mind) but a large group of them, if not the most, are people who have given up on finding a job.

We're fucked dude.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2014, 12:39:50 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-boehner-select-committee-benghazi

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) intends to form a select committee to investigate the 2012 Benghazi attacks, he announced Friday.

"[T]he House will vote to establish a new select committee to investigate the attack, provide the necessary accountability, and ensure justice is finally served," the Speaker said in a statement.

The move was prompted by a recently-unearthed White House internal email at the time about how to discuss the issue. The email didn't contain evidence of a cover-up but for Republicans -- who insist then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton did something wrong -- the issue has become a cause célèbre.

Boehner added: "The administration's withholding of documents – emails showing greater White House involvement in misleading the American people – is a flagrant violation of trust and undermines the basic principles of oversight upon which our system of government is built. And it forces us to ask the question, what else about Benghazi is the Obama administration still hiding from the American people?"

The panel may be led by second-term Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC), said a senior House Republican leadership aide, who said the recent emails were "the straw that broke the camel's back" for Boehner.

:goty

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2014, 12:41:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2014, 12:19:05 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 02, 2014, 11:59:26 AM

Actually, the numbers over the past several months (excluding this month's) have shown job growth exceeding any drop in unemployment. This means people who previously gave up have returned to the work force. :wag

The participation rate dropped this month, with 800k people leaving the work force. Obviously a lot of this has to do with baby boomer retirements and perhaps also some folks quitting to start their own businesses (CBO's Obamacare report comes to mind) but a large group of them, if not the most, are people who have given up on finding a job.

We're fucked dude.

"Fucked" is strong language. "Still hip deep in shit" is probably more accurate.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brob on May 02, 2014, 02:45:42 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/05/This-Town-Needs-A-Better-Class-Of-Racist/361443/

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The problem with Bundy isn't that he is a racist but that he is an oafish racist. The elegant racist knows how to injure non-white people while never summoning the specter of white guilt.

I don't really follow american politics or NBA, but this article does a good job of showing how the polite veneer of political correctness centers around the problem of white guilt as opposed to the problem of racism. Figured it would fit in this thread.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2014, 02:48:24 PM

I want to be Ta-Nehisi Coates when I grow up.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2014, 02:50:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfZPwRGzVoo

:usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 02, 2014, 02:59:40 PM

(http://winkprogress.com/images/2013/08/Americans-dead-Iraq-vs-Benghazi.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2014, 03:08:50 PM

Time to finish the fight! #benghazi #tcot

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2014, 05:28:49 PM

edit: wrong thread

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2014, 05:51:39 PM

But how does it tie into Benghazi, PD? Was Obama at the glory hole while Americans were being killed? What do you know, and when did you know it??!!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: thisismyusername on May 02, 2014, 06:06:58 PM

OMG...

Start with this (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/01/us/politics/senate-minimum-wage-bill.html?_r=0)

>>edit to remove quote<<

#icant

Please, someone, explain this line of logic to me. How it is not a good thing to raise the minimum wage to a livable standard, no matter your age? The douches that fire people would do it anyway no matter what policy that "taxes" them happened to be.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2014, 06:18:39 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on May 02, 2014, 06:06:58 PM

Please, someone, explain this line of logic to me.

The line of thinking goes:
Raising minimum wage = Everything costs more because businesses just raise their prices to account for increased salaries = People making minimum wage are just as poor now as they were before because stuff costs more + People making slightly more than minimum wage before the hike won't get a raise and now will just be making minimum wage, so they'll be "poorer" than they were before since everything costs more = Just let the invisible hand decide how much you should make and quit complaining

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: thisismyusername on May 02, 2014, 06:34:49 PM

That's what I was thinking.

I keep going "but why wouldn't you want to help those that are working below minimum wage level at least have a decent standard of living?  ??? ???" and they keep going "because blah blah blah" and I'm at this point of (http://replygif.net/i/166.gif) *dismiss*

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2014, 06:45:50 PM

Theory is that businesses hire people at wages which are equal to what the business thinks they're worth, ie how much they'll increase revenue.

If a fast-food franchisee thinks that an extra person to work the register would be worth six bucks an hour of increased business, they'll hire someone for six bucks an hour.  If the government says they need to pay someone at least ten dollars, then they just won't hire that extra person, and take less business but higher profit.  So by trying to increase wages, the government would wind up costing a bunch of people their jobs.

It's hard to measure empirically (like basically everything in the social sciences), but I think most studies show a small effect on employment and some studies show no effect.  The minimum wage keeps coming up not so much cause it's a great tool to help poor people, but because it's politically feasible.

Title: Re: BUNDYGATE and LAND MANAGMENTGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2014, 07:15:54 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 02, 2014, 02:59:40 PM

(http://winkprogress.com/images/2013/08/Americans-dead-Iraq-vs-Benghazi.png)

What a partisan hack job. Everyone knows Clinton was responsible for 9/11.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: thisismyusername on May 02, 2014, 07:19:57 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 02, 2014, 06:38:40 PM

Also: employment will stagnate because businesses will be able to afford fewer employees.

So, basically to solve the recessions employment problem, people should be treated like shit?

I mean the major problem for me and why I'm a proponent of the minimum wage raising is that a bunch of jobs are either paying the state (which is below federal in some states) minimum and even that isn't enough to make ends-meet/live comfortable on. I can see the line of "oh well it won't increase jobs, it won't raise the poverty" etc. but why would you honestly oppose something that could possibly help?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on May 02, 2014, 07:27:49 PM

Prices of goods and services steadily rise year over year, base wages need to as well in order for people to be able to survive really.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2014, 07:33:58 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on May 02, 2014, 07:27:49 PM

Prices of goods and services steadily rise year over year, base wages need to as well in order for people to be able to survive really.

Then why hasn't everyone died over the last 30+ years as wages have stagnated? :jawalrus

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Answer: instead of households having one main earner, now both spouses work, and instead of having one job, people often have multiple jobs. Also, people maxed out credit cards, then dipped into the equity of their houses to help survive. Fortunately, the last solution appears to be cloning ourselves like in Multiplicity, so I'm optimistic!

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2014, 07:38:29 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/02/don-t-run-for-president-hillary-become-a-post-president-instead.html

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I know as much as anyone how much her most fervent supporters want Hillary Clinton to run for president. On the opening night of the Women in the World Summit the mere mention of the possibility had the audience on their feet. The fan base is there, and constituencies beyond it.

But should she do it? Would the bravest and best decision be for her to skip it? In the 2008 campaign the chronic negativity of the ladies and gentlemen of the press was relentless, and the gouging of Hillary was wholly unrelated to either her record or her behavior. It was just that her story had gotten old. It required new angles, or, heaven forbid, new facts, to make it interesting—whereas Barack Obama was a story that wrote itself.

The first black president was a hotter plot line than the first woman president. Bad luck for Hillary. Obama stole her exceptionalism, leaving the press only with the hair, the alleged cackling laugh, and the over-familiar back-story, which meant dogging Bill around, hoping he’d lose it once in a while. (He obliged.)               

I joined the Hillary bus for a Newsweek story in 2008 I was fascinated how little attention in their copy the traveling reporters actually paid to anything she said when she got out. They were too busy filing recaps of blogs by commentators who weren’t there. Suddenly there would be media uproar about some killer soundbite from Hillary that someone had gotten traction for that in context wasn’t controversial at all. Remember that shit-storm when she said MLK’s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act?

...

It led the news then with a new Hillary-as-racist meme that went on for a week. Five years later the ADD of the political press corps has only deepened. 

Does Hillary really want more of this? Being president you may have more power than anyone else in the country, but you quickly discover that you have much, much less than you thought you’d have going in. You’re hamstrung in ways you never dreamed of. That’s truer now than it’s ever been. It’s not that you can’t get anything done. It’s that what you can get done is so paltry compared to what you wanted and expected to get done. You are doomed to disappoint the people who elected you. You’ll disappoint yourself. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg of stress that awaits you.

So knowing all this, why indeed would Hillary run? It's now clear that given the vile toxicity of the campaign experience and the grueling gridlock of the Oval Office itself, the only reason to run for the highest political office in the land is not the presidency but the post-presidency. The post-presidency, as Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton have proved, is a win-win. Money, Nobels, the ability to leverage your global celebrity for any cause or hobbyhorse you wish, plus freedom to grab the mike whenever the urge takes you without any terminal repercussions. No longer being President does wonders for your morale. Even the Bushes have seemed happier out from under it. Big George went parachute jumping. Little George medicates memories of his Iraq mistake by painting not-bad pictures.

For Obama and Michelle it will be fantastic, because they are young enough to have a long, massive, wildly interesting presidential afterlife. While sitting presidents become more and more despised, ex-presidents become more and more popular.

...

Now that Chelsea is pregnant, and life for Hillary can get so deeply familial and pleasant, she can have her glory-filled post-presidency now, without actually having to deal with the miseries of the office itself. She is as adored as any ex-president already, she is making a ton of money, and she can expand the real passion of her life, her global mission to promote women’s rights, education, and political participation. The spotlight follows her and always will. If she becomes president at 68 it will be another press onslaught from hell and such a hog-tied two terms, only the festive delights of hip replacement surgery will await her by the time she gets out. Leave the presidency to the people who don't know what she knows all too well: what it’s really like.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2014, 07:47:25 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 02, 2014, 06:38:40 PM

Also: employment will stagnate because businesses will be able to afford fewer employees.

Except that an increased minimum wage will result in a lot of those employers making bigger profits because their customers have more money to spend.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2014, 07:57:18 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 02, 2014, 06:38:40 PM

Also: employment will stagnate because businesses will be able to afford fewer employees.

Instead employment is stagnating because businesses are hiring fewer people to maximize productivity and profit. I don't see that changing if we had a higher minimum wage. I support a raise of course, I'm just saying that it doesn't really address the problem: lower consumer spending and businesses sitting on cash.

Although, you could argue that a minimum wage would increase consumer spending.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2014, 01:10:47 AM

Re: Benghazi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifN_JvVQHJQ

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2014, 12:43:42 PM

man I wish these were a bunch of black guys brandishing guns and threatening government officials
http://www.westernjournalism.com/harry-reid-civil-war/

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2014, 12:55:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2014, 12:43:42 PM

man I wish these were a bunch of black guys brandishing guns and threatening government officials
http://www.westernjournalism.com/harry-reid-civil-war/

Fox News flipped out for weeks when two Black Panthers held a door open for an old white woman at a polling site.

Edit: That website is literally brain poison, by the way.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: The USA on May 03, 2014, 08:06:18 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2014, 01:10:47 AM

Re: Benghazi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifN_JvVQHJQ

Let's first try to understand how Obummer's van driver is promoted to editing talking points involving dead Americans.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2014, 09:32:07 PM

Lack of a double chin. #struggle #skinnyprivilege

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: The USA on May 03, 2014, 10:53:10 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2014, 09:32:07 PM

Lack of a double chin. #struggle #skinnyprivilege

Benghazi scandal: When will Team Obama tell truth about night my nephew was killed?
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2014/05/02/benghazi-scandal-when-will-team-obama-tell-truth-about-night-my-nephew-was/

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2014, 11:05:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWjK1frDcFk

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"I have evidence that, not only are they hiding it, there is an intent to hide it," Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) told Greta van Susteren on FOX News. "I can't disclose that evidence yet, but I have evidence that there was a systematic, intentional decision to withhold certain documents from Congress. And we're just sick of it. So we're gonna have him come explain why we're getting documents 20 months late."

"If you want to have Greg Hicks and the station chief from Tripoli and Hillary Clinton all sitting at the same table, you need to have a committee that has the power to do that. And a select committee would have that power," Gowdy said on Friday.

Gowdy is being considered to chair the upcoming select committee that will investigate the Benghazi attacks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/03/lt_col_ralph_peters_wh_worried_more_about_obamas_reelection_than_lives_of_benghazi_victims.html

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LT. COL. RALPH PETERS: It's right to subpoena them, I got that because you do anything you can to pry this Stalinistic administration open. I mean it's so Orwellian how this administration just lies and sticks to the lies and stonewalls, and as you observed the media is often complicit with. Sometimes you have to step back. And when I step back and look at the myriad of problems to do with Benghazi, things done, not done, should have been redone.

The bottom line here is what we have on the night when it was going down, a presidential administration, all of the presidents men and women in the White House worried not about how to save those Americans on the ground in Benghazi, but putting priority on saving the presidents campaign for reelection and that is incredibly shameful. I don't know anything like that has happened in American history.

Ralph Peters is slowly becoming my favorite expert. In some respects, he reminds me of my mother in that way.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2014, 11:09:47 PM

http://www.journalnow.com/news/local/gop-candidate-was-once-a-female-impersonator/article_a1029862-5a82-5752-90e4-eac7155bce1e.html

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Steve Wiles, a Republican state Senate candidate who supports North Carolina’s constitutional amendment against same-sex marriage, once worked as a female impersonator at a gay nightclub in Winston-Salem and was gay at the time, according to a co-owner of the nightclub and a former employee.

Wiles, 34, was in his early 20s when he worked at the now-defunct nightclub, Club Odyssey, according to co-owner Randy Duggins and former employee Gray Tomlinson.

“He is Mona Sinclair,” Duggins said, referring to Wiles’ female persona. 

Wiles’ responses over the past three weeks have ranged from categorical denial to tacit admission.

“I have already apologized to the people who matter most to me for the things I did when I was young,” Wiles said this week, declining to clarify for what he has apologized.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/alabamas-chief-justice-buddha-didnt-create-us-so-first-amendment-only-protects-christians/

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Speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, which was sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court declared that the First Amendment only applies to Christians because “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” who created us.

“They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship,” he continued. “Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

He then noted that he loves talking to lawyers, because he is a lawyer who went to “a secular law school,” so he knows that “in the law, [talking about God] just isn’t politically correct.” He claimed that this is why America has “lost its way,” and that he would be publishing a pamphlet “this week, maybe next” that contained copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, thereby proving that all the people “who found this nation — black, white, all people, all religions, all faiths” knew that America was “about God.”

Chief Justice Moore later defined “life” via Blackstone’s Law — a book that American lawyers have “sadly forgotten” — as beginning when “the baby kicks.” “Today,” he said, “our courts say it’s not alive ’til the head comes out.”

“Now,” he continued, “if technology’s supposed to increase our knowledge, how did we become so stupid?” Discussing Thomas Jefferson’s use of “life” in the Declaration of Independence, he said that “when [Jefferson] put ‘life’ in there, it was in the womb — we know it begins at conception. Why aren’t we going the right way instead of the wrong way?”

He later said the “pursuit of happiness” meant following God’s law, because “you can’t be happy unless you follow God’s law, and if you follow God’s law, you can’t help but be happy.”

“It’s all about God,” he continued. “We’ve made ‘life’ a decision taken by man,” he said, and “taken ‘liberty,’ and converted it to ‘licentiousness. We’ve taken ‘pursuit of happiness,’ and reduced it to materialism.”

:jawalrus

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: The USA on May 03, 2014, 11:14:55 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 03, 2014, 11:05:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWjK1frDcFk

Quote

"I have evidence that, not only are they hiding it, there is an intent to hide it," Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-SC) told Greta van Susteren on FOX News. "I can't disclose that evidence yet, but I have evidence that there was a systematic, intentional decision to withhold certain documents from Congress. And we're just sick of it. So we're gonna have him come explain why we're getting documents 20 months late."

"If you want to have Greg Hicks and the station chief from Tripoli and Hillary Clinton all sitting at the same table, you need to have a committee that has the power to do that. And a select committee would have that power," Gowdy said on Friday.

Gowdy is being considered to chair the upcoming select committee that will investigate the Benghazi attacks.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/03/lt_col_ralph_peters_wh_worried_more_about_obamas_reelection_than_lives_of_benghazi_victims.html

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LT. COL. RALPH PETERS: It's right to subpoena them, I got that because you do anything you can to pry this Stalinistic administration open. I mean it's so Orwellian how this administration just lies and sticks to the lies and stonewalls, and as you observed the media is often complicit with. Sometimes you have to step back. And when I step back and look at the myriad of problems to do with Benghazi, things done, not done, should have been redone.

The bottom line here is what we have on the night when it was going down, a presidential administration, all of the presidents men and women in the White House worried not about how to save those Americans on the ground in Benghazi, but putting priority on saving the presidents campaign for reelection and that is incredibly shameful. I don't know anything like that has happened in American history.

Ralph Peters is slowly becoming my favorite expert. In some respects, he reminds me of my mother in that way.

Trey Gowdy has my exact hair style.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2014, 12:47:40 AM

I just wish conservatives and the GOP would stop using four dead Americans as political props, but they've been doing it for twenty months without showing any signs of stopping so I guess that's wishful thinking on my part.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on May 04, 2014, 12:51:11 AM

Diamond Joe is now canon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da5tjfpKyac

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2014, 01:08:25 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 03, 2014, 11:09:47 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/02/alabamas-chief-justice-buddha-didnt-create-us-so-first-amendment-only-protects-christians/

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Speaking at the Pastor for Life Luncheon, which was sponsored by Pro-Life Mississippi, Chief Justice Roy Moore of the Alabama Supreme Court declared that the First Amendment only applies to Christians because “Buddha didn’t create us, Mohammed didn’t create us, it was the God of the Holy Scriptures” who created us.

“They didn’t bring the Koran over on the pilgrim ship,” he continued. “Let’s get real, let’s go back and learn our history. Let’s stop playing games.”

He then noted that he loves talking to lawyers, because he is a lawyer who went to “a secular law school,” so he knows that “in the law, [talking about God] just isn’t politically correct.” He claimed that this is why America has “lost its way,” and that he would be publishing a pamphlet “this week, maybe next” that contained copies of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, thereby proving that all the people “who found this nation — black, white, all people, all religions, all faiths” knew that America was “about God.”

Chief Justice Moore later defined “life” via Blackstone’s Law — a book that American lawyers have “sadly forgotten” — as beginning when “the baby kicks.” “Today,” he said, “our courts say it’s not alive ’til the head comes out.”

“Now,” he continued, “if technology’s supposed to increase our knowledge, how did we become so stupid?” Discussing Thomas Jefferson’s use of “life” in the Declaration of Independence, he said that “when [Jefferson] put ‘life’ in there, it was in the womb — we know it begins at conception. Why aren’t we going the right way instead of the wrong way?”

He later said the “pursuit of happiness” meant following God’s law, because “you can’t be happy unless you follow God’s law, and if you follow God’s law, you can’t help but be happy.”

“It’s all about God,” he continued. “We’ve made ‘life’ a decision taken by man,” he said, and “taken ‘liberty,’ and converted it to ‘licentiousness. We’ve taken ‘pursuit of happiness,’ and reduced it to materialism.”

:jawalrus

All they had on the Mayflower was guns, Bibles, and tricorn hats, so that's all we need!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 04, 2014, 01:17:06 AM

oh my god that video

biden please run in 2016

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: The USA on May 04, 2014, 11:22:34 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2014, 12:47:40 AM

I just wish conservatives and the GOP would stop using four dead Americans as political props, but they've been doing it for twenty months without showing any signs of stopping so I guess that's wishful thinking on my part.

Really? I think it's about time the GOP started getting serious about Benghazi. I think there was a period of at least 3-4 months when I didn't even hear that word on Fox News.
That's inexcusable.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2014, 12:43:58 PM

Quote

GOP Candidate Opposed To Marriage Equality Once Worked As A Drag Queen

A Republican state senate candidate who supported North Carolina's ban on gay marriage once worked as a female impersonator at a gay nightclub, the Winston-Salem Journal reported Saturday.

Real estate agent Steve Wiles, 34, went by "Mona Sinclair" when he worked at the now-closed Club Odyssey in the early 2000s, according to the club's co-owner and another former employee. Wiles' former co-workers claim he was gay at the time and was a frequent visitor at the nightclub before he began working there.

Wiles denied that he worked as Mona Sinclair in interviews with the Winston-Salem Journal, and responded "no" when the newspaper asked whether he was gay.

But Wiles also appears as Mona Sinclair in a cached version of the Miss Gay America website. The cached webpage said that Wiles was suspended from the organization for "conduct unbecoming to a promoter of the Miss Gay America pageant system.”

Wiles campaigned for North Carolina's constitutional amendment to ban same-sex marriage in 2012, according to the Winston Salem-Journal.

The state senate candidate spoke to Business Insider after the Winston-Salem Journal report was published and argued that he doesn't believe being against gay marriage is equal to being anti-gay.

"I don't really understand how you can separate the fact that marriage is a religious institution," he said.

As for whether he considers himself an ex-gay, Wiles told Business Insider he didn't want to comment on that. He said that he views his past as a drag queen as an "embarrassment," but told Business Insider that it wouldn't stop his campaign.

"I learned a lot of lessons, some of them, well most of them, the hard way," he told the website. "That's generally how I learned, but I did learn from my mistakes. That's something that I wish I could say for some of my GOP rivals."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/gop-candidate-opposes-marriage-equality-worked-as-female-impersonator
:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 04, 2014, 01:03:25 PM

wtf kind of drag queen has a name as boring as "Mona Sinclair?" :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2014, 03:49:25 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 04, 2014, 01:03:25 PM

wtf kind of drag queen has a name as boring as "Mona Sinclair?" :hitler

GOP drag queens :yuck

Probably only had buttsex in the missionary position too.  ::)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 05, 2014, 09:45:54 AM

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/05/us/politics/libertarians-trail-meter-readers-telling-town-live-free-or-else.html?_r=1

KEENE, N.H. — In most places, the parking enforcement officer reflects the municipal compact. Armed only with a gadget that can spit out a ticket at the forgotten drop of a dime, the officer quietly serves civic and commercial life by ensuring that meters are fed.

In most places, yes. But not here in charming Keene, where parking officers figure in a philosophical tug of war between a small band of activists who live by the motto “Free Keene,” and the great majority of residents who were unaware that their city was in bondage.

Keene’s two parking officers, both women, are often videotaped by young adults known as “Robin Hooders.” They track the whereabouts of the officers by two-way radio, feed expired meters before $5 tickets can be written, and leave a business card saying that “we saved you from the king’s tariff.”

 :expert

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2014, 10:11:22 AM

Meter Maid-chan, why are you so tsundere towards Freedom, desu~!?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2014, 12:03:21 PM

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ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, this is a problem. I did a little bit of research, more whites believe in ghosts than believe in racism. That's why we don't have -- that why we have shows like Ghostbusters and don't have shows like Racistbuster. You know, it's something that's still part of our culture and people hold on to some of these ideas and practices just out of habit and saying that well that's the way it always was. But things have to change.

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Father_Brain on May 05, 2014, 02:45:51 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 04, 2014, 01:03:25 PM

wtf kind of drag queen has a name as boring as "Mona Sinclair?" :hitler

hey, coming up with witty pun names is hard. Most of the Drag Race queens these days don't even bother with it

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 05, 2014, 03:23:03 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 04, 2014, 01:03:25 PM

wtf kind of drag queen has a name as boring as "Mona Sinclair?" :hitler

Moaner Sinxxlair

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2014, 05:41:30 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2014, 12:03:21 PM

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ABDUL-JABBAR: Well, this is a problem. I did a little bit of research, more whites believe in ghosts than believe in racism. That's why we don't have -- that why we have shows like Ghostbusters and don't have shows like Racistbuster. You know, it's something that's still part of our culture and people hold on to some of these ideas and practices just out of habit and saying that well that's the way it always was. But things have to change.

:dead

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 05, 2014, 06:19:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keXa2ZeR7Jk

 :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2014, 07:55:13 PM

Looks like this is expanding: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/05/04/va-healthcare-delays-treatment-phoenix-cheyenne-deaths/8602117/

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A VA investigation of one of its outpatient clinics in Colorado reveals how ingrained delays in medical care may be for an agency struggling to rapidly treat nearly 9 million veterans a year amid allegations that dozens have died because of delays.

Clerks at the Department of Veterans Affairs clinic in Fort Collins were instructed last year how to falsify appointment records so it appeared the small staff of doctors was seeing patients within the agency's goal of 14 days, according to the investigation.

A copy of the findings by the VA's Office of Medical Inspector was provided to USA TODAY.

Many of the 6,300 veterans treated at the outpatient clinic waited months to be seen. If the clerical staff allowed records to reflect that veterans waited longer than 14 days, they were punished by being placed on a "bad boy list," the report shows.

"Employees reported that scheduling was 'fixed,' " the findings say.

After the VA endured a year of criticism that it took too long to deliver earned compensation to disabled veterans, the agency faces a new wave of attacks over slow medical care.

Department officials revealed last month that 23 deaths of veterans were linked to delayed cancer screenings dating back four years. More recently, a retired doctor, Sam Foote, alleged that 40 other veterans died because of treatment delays at a VA hospital in Phoenix. VA officials say there's no evidence so far to support those claims, but the hospital administrator was placed on leave pending an investigation by the agency's inspector general.

...

A key allegation by the whistle-blowing retired doctor in Phoenix is that staff members manipulated records to hide delays. The same practice was found by the VA Office of Medical Inspector at the clinic in Fort Collins.

While investigators found that VA policies were violated, local medical leaders concluded that the violations were less intentional than the result of confusion and no disciplinary action was taken, says a VA statement released Saturday. Retraining and weekly audits were implemented, the statement says.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2014, 09:33:57 PM

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2014/05/05/what-if-fox-news-instead-msnbc-had-pulled-cinco-de-mayo-stunt

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¡Ay caramba! Imagine the cries of offensive ethnic stereotyping or worse if Fox News had observed Cinco de Mayo by having one of its yanqui persons of pallor stagger across the set in a sombrero while chugging from a bottle of tequila?

But it happened on MSNBC, so the PC police probably won't make a peep.  At today's transition from Way Too Early to Morning Joe, there pranced producer Louis Burgdorf with his Halloween-store sombrero and pint bottle.  WTE host Thomas Roberts encouraged Burgdorf "to drink the whole thing and eat the worm," meaning either it was mezcal not tequila or Roberts just doesn't know his south-of-the-border booze.  View the video after the jump.

If this had happened, say, on Fox and Friends, MSNBC might have had to interrupt its Donald Sterling coverage with a Breaking News report on the racist outrage at Fox News, and La Raza would have had a picket line up before the end of the program!

Note the screen graphic on Cinco de Mayo: "Mexican Heritage Celebration," and consider the PC outrage, had this been Fox News, to have reduced Mexican heritage to this.  All that was missing was a rehash of Jimmy Carter's Montezuma's Revenge crack!

:o

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2014, 09:38:59 PM

www.youtube.com/watch?v=cTZC-j48JWg

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2014, 09:43:40 PM

I think that's my absolute favorite five second film by far.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2014, 11:06:51 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 05, 2014, 09:43:40 PM

I think that's my absolute favorite five second film by far.

Also 100% accurate.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2014, 04:38:05 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/gop-army-col-blasts-party-for-focus-on-benghazi-over-cheneys-war-crimes/

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After asserting that he remains a member of the Republican Party, Wilkerson said that he does find it concerning that the GOP focuses on Benghazi over more pressing issues.

“I find it an enormous problem that they go after something like this, Benghazi – tragedy that it was – and they don’t go after something that is a colossal tragedy like the war crimes of Richard Bruce Cheney,” he insisted.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2014, 05:49:44 PM

Scorched earth destruction:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-stewart-mocks-hypocritical-outrage-benghazi

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2014, 07:11:04 PM

Remember when American embassies and stations in Beirut were attacked several times over the course of 18 months and hundreds of Americans, including high-ranking officials were killed, and there was one serious investigation that offered real insight into the problem and what could be done to correct and nobody screamed for Reagan to be impeached? Apparently, not many people do!

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/ronald-reagans-benghazi.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 06, 2014, 10:27:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2014, 07:11:04 PM

Remember when American embassies and stations in Beirut were attacked several times over the course of 18 months and hundreds of Americans, including high-ranking officials were killed, and there was one serious investigation that offered real insight into the problem and what could be done to correct and nobody screamed for Reagan to be impeached? Apparently, not many people do!

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/comment/2014/05/ronald-reagans-benghazi.html

There's something off about this piece. Why would terrorists dare attack our embassies when a REPUBLICAN was president of the United States? They didn't just do it once, but SEVERAL times. There's only two possibilities that would explain such a situation:

A) Ronald Reagan was not a Republican president

or

B) Because it is physically impossible for terrorists to mount an attack against the United States when there's a Republican president in charge, it therefore means there were in fact, no terrorist attacks.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 07, 2014, 10:46:21 AM

Why no outrage? Because George Schulz (secretary of state, at the time) wasn't a potential presidential candidate. That's the whole rub here.

Also, attacks on US embassies were very frequent in the late 70's and early 80's. The public was (probably) pretty numb to them at the time.

 http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/diplomatic-attacks4.png

 

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 12:42:15 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 07, 2014, 10:46:21 AM

http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/diplomatic-attacks4.png

And look at that, zero for Obama in 2012 all because he refused to call it an attack instead saying it was a peaceful protest over a youtube video nobody saw beforehand.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 12:44:36 PM

Don't even need to wait for Poppa Bear, Greta takes out the "comedy" trash on her own:
http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2014/05/06/note-to-jon-stewart-who-i-think-is-very-smart-and-very-clever-but-like-the-rest-of-us-not-always-right-but-a-comedian-has-of-course-way-more-lattitude/

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Last night Jon Stewart opened his show with a segment about Fox News Channel’s aggressive coverage of Benghazi. 

Stewart’s criticism of Fox News Channel is that Fox News Channel is more aggressive about President Obama and Benghazi than it ever was about President Bush and Iraq. 

Besides the obvious — that almost all the Democrats in Congress voted for the war in Iraq and other media reporting – is my simple note to Stewart: 2 wrongs don’t make a right. 

Endless annihilation of Stewart's butthurt whining in the comments:

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ResQMee • a day ago
Stewart sounds a little nervous about this Congressional probe.

3ButterflyKisses • a day ago
I have never watched Jon Stewart in my life, nor do I have a desire to. I also didn't watch Fox during the Iraq war. What I do know is the Main Stream Media went after Bush with a vengeance and now the MSM is doing what Stewart accuses Fox of doing, of ignoring one President, (Obama) while aggressively going after another (Bush). Can one not see the hypocrisy of what Stewart said last night? It was fine with Stewart the MSM aggressively went after Bush, but now ignores all things Obama? All Stewart did was show us he is another Obama lap dog and will do what lap dogs do - protect their master.

2bshur • a day ago
Bush never abandoned anyone to die nor did he lie and fabricate a story to cover his butt to win an election. What Obama and Clinton did was show extreme negligence, dereliction of duty and they have obstructed justice on a level far greater than that which happened during Watergate. At least Nixon had the sense and decency to step down so we could move forward.

Informed&Concerned • a day ago
Stewart will have egg on his face when it is revealed that the "INTELLIGENCE FAILURE" he so glibly refers to originated at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

alapatriot • a day ago
Perchance he could look at his own network and not be so concerned about the industry leader. Maybe Fox is leading for a reason. Do you suppose it is because, for the most part, Fox employs journalists and professionals, not comedians and ministers without Divinity degrees?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2014, 01:30:44 PM

Over the last decade I've probably read Krugman's actual NYT column half a dozen times or less.  I think it's a pretty crappy format and just read his blog instead.  Much prefer these NYRB ostensible book reviews that everyone knows are just long opinion pieces.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 01:38:40 PM

I don't read French very well, but I saw commented elsewhere that this book was basically ignored in France, contrary to all the endless knobslobbering in the American media. I don't get it either but I don't get a lot of things as regularly proven.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2014, 01:43:56 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 01:38:40 PM

endless knobslobbering in the American media

Philosophically appropriate "umad" smiley here please, Esch.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 07, 2014, 01:57:02 PM

Marx? Keynes? Lots of possibilities here.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 02:00:09 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 07, 2014, 01:57:38 PM

As much 'knobslobbing' as there has been (the NYT needs to chill lmao) theres as much backfire

I'm including this in the knobslobbering, one day I went to two semi-libertarian sites and they both had like fifteen fucking posts linking to anything critical of the book.

And nobody links to probably the best negative review: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/kapital-for-the-twenty-first-century

EDIT: Dear god, Mises is the same way lol

Economist uses the same image as the Krugman article  :o

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 02:15:32 PM

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Yet, Democrats in Congress today would sooner sell their first-born to the Koch brothers than even consider it.

I knew they were buying babies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brob on May 07, 2014, 02:19:41 PM

Latest Member: Ripclawe

This thread about to get good :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 02:33:53 PM

Cato (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png)

Mises (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png) (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 02:51:50 PM

Quote from: Economist comments

If billionaires used their money to improve society by all means they can keep their money. Many use most of it to buy bigger yachts, personal jets, lavish mansions, stupendous parties, stashing it in offshore accounts, etc. None of that helps anybody other than those supplying luxury items.

:hitler

Quote from: Esch on May 07, 2014, 02:39:49 PM

would you like some Heritage Foundation with your order, sir? (http://blog.heritage.org/2014/04/30/robin-hood-fallacy-piketty-take-rich-give-poor/)

:bastiatumad

Robin Hood was returning stolen money that was taken under the guise of "taxation!" :bastiathulkmad

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 02:56:31 PM

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HEAVYDUTY752p · 6 days ago
EXACTLY....A MISNOMER WE WERE TAUGHT TO BELIEVE......IT WAS BASICALLY FOLKS IN THE CASTLE/RULING CLASS JUST TOOK WHAT THEY NEEDED FROM THE OUTSIDE FOLKS...WHENEVER THEY NEEDED MORE FOOD/GOLD/ETC.....SURE THEY WERE THE RICH.......KINGS AND SUCH ..THAT WOULD BE OUR CONGRESS,,,,,MORE NEEDED,,,,,,,RAISE THEIR TAXES...."THEIR"......=OURS,,THE WORKERS JUST MORE SOPHISTICATED METHODS FOR GREED./......

EXACTLY

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2014, 04:12:42 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 03:04:32 PM

I wish we could trade the entire Heritage readership to Southern Sudan.

What would we have to give up in return?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 04:52:22 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 04:45:38 PM

There are probably better ways to achieve a more equitable wealth distribution.

Guaranteed minimum income and adopt a Socialist mode of production. After all, is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? (http://i.imgur.com/flpGZ3G.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2014, 05:08:03 PM

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Bush never abandoned anyone to die nor did he lie and fabricate a story to cover his butt to win an election.

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 07, 2014, 05:19:31 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 02:33:53 PM

Cato (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png)

Mises (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png) (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png)

AND the WSJ, brehs  (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png) (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png) (http://i.imgur.com/tk8w7Sm.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 05:41:22 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 04:45:38 PM

That's kind of the opposite of what Piketty and other progressive economists are saying. He's saying that people at the extreme high end of the income spectrum are reaping rewards far in excess of the fruits of their labor.

Of course, the inevitable response is, "Who are you to decide what's fair, the market always makes the best allocation of wealth, etc". A lot of it comes back to Nozick, who argues that no pattern of wealth distribution can be unjust if all the individual transactions that led to it were just. But the second part of that argument is a pretty massive assumption. I'd argue that a lot of exchanges in society are better characterized by what I'd call "micro-inequities", which, accumulated over many different interactions, lead to very unjust outcomes.

Answering the question of what is just and unjust also contains pretty massive assumptions.

Why is it unjust to be good enough to reap rewards beyond the fruits of your labor or be able to better exploit micro-inequities to your favor?

How is having more wealth or capital than someone else unjust in and of itself? I mean even just trying to define "excess" is in the eye of the beholder, aren't you attempting to create a dividing line between what is and isn't just so that you can make a claim on the "unjust" excess.

If the problem is the power that stems from access to that wealth, then why is the solution always giving more monopoly power to the largest corporation and its subsidiaries? As if it never does anything unjust.

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For example, in a society without public education, the total amount of education will be less than what's societally optimal.

It'd be more accurate to say less than what you consider optimal, not what that society considers optimal.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 07, 2014, 05:51:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 05:41:22 PM

How is having more wealth or capital than someone else unjust in and of itself? I mean even just trying to define "excess" is in the eye of the beholder, aren't you attempting to create a dividing line between what is and isn't just so that you can make a claim on the "unjust" excess.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

live in a fantasy world where poverty is just a talking point and not a literal matter of life and death

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 05:55:22 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 05:50:11 PM

Generally I'm using it to refer to "creates the most utility" or "results in the least suffering." In the case of public education, most people would agree that "societally optimal" is fairly straightforward in that it leads to more tangible prosperity overall.

But here you're already making assumptions about and defining what weights to apply to different costs and benefits. Hell, you have to define "tangible prosperity overall" and "most utility" because these aren't objective standards.

Quote from: Positive Touch on May 07, 2014, 05:51:00 PM

::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

live in a fantasy world where poverty is just a talking point and not a literal matter of life and death

What does this have to do with what you quoted?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 06:32:39 PM

Also the monopoly or monosopy power of the public education system which imposes its own costs. To where you're exploiting the lower middle class and below's labour to pay for an upper middle class bureaucracy that fails to educate their children and attempts to deny them alternative options if it isn't actively working to cause them harm. Like most instances of trickle down economics, aggregate statistics don't do them very much good in those instances.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 07, 2014, 06:49:23 PM

The real flaw in libertopian/objectivist thinking is that people will always do the best or right thing, or that the best or right thing for one person will produce the best or most correct outcome for society. It's a bunch of shit, and you know it is because you can just look at the basic, fundamental problem in the equation: human beings.

Humans are stupid, short-sighted creatures. You can explain to them that a robust and awesome education system will produce a smarter, more productive society with fewer criminals, and they'll still balk at it BECAUSE MAH TAXES GOAN GO UP, AND THAT'S TYRANNY HUR HUR HUR. Basically, the vast majority of human beings are too stupid to be entrusted to make correct decisions, which is why we have to have minimal safety standards, FDA food consumption guidelines, etc. And yes, education. Because I don't trust you to properly educate your children. You're all too fucking stupid. I know this because I see the television you watch, and it makes me want to throw all of you into the fucking sun.

tl;dr- people are stupid and this is why we can't have nice things. Now please stfu now and forever, libertopians, about how your precious fucking liberty is being assaulted.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 06:50:45 PM

Which is why we should give them absolute power to employ violence against those they don't like.

This has been the contradictory impulse of progressivism ever since the Social Gospel beginnings, how to square the gushing over democracy with the Christian duty of the upper classes to civilize the lower ones, against their will if necessary.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2014, 06:58:00 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 06:56:25 PM

I'm sure you've explained this to Mandark or COG in the past, but in your ideal society, would there be a government to enforce contracts? And what would we do about crime? And if there was some kind of organization that handled these issues, how would it be funded?

Rational self-interest.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 07:03:57 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 06:56:25 PM

I'm sure you've explained this to Mandark or COG in the past, but in your ideal society, would there be a government to enforce contracts? And what would we do about crime? And if there was some kind of organization that handled these issues, how would it be funded?

You fucked up breh'lady. In my ideal society there wouldn't be any crime and everyone would peacefully resolve disputes.  :teehee

I didn't mean to debate with your points from a purely voluntaryist view, that's my mistake if I have or gave the impression, though it's obviously silly to think there's no influence to any argument I might make. I was trying more to illustrate how many assumptions one bakes into things merely to avoid admitting it's a moral question of just/unjust. (And I'm not trying to claim any immunity from this.)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2014, 07:07:41 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 07:03:57 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 06:56:25 PM

I'm sure you've explained this to Mandark or COG in the past, but in your ideal society, would there be a government to enforce contracts? And what would we do about crime? And if there was some kind of organization that handled these issues, how would it be funded?

You fucked up breh'lady. In my ideal society there wouldn't be any crime and everyone would peacefully resolve disputes.  :teehee

But would you make Coretta Scott King mayor of the cities?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 07:10:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2014, 07:07:41 PM

But would you make Coretta Scott King mayor of the cities?

No, the Wu Tang Clan would rotate through the position. You need people with financial acumen.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on May 07, 2014, 09:15:57 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 07, 2014, 04:57:28 PM

Can you elaborate more on "Socialist mode of production"?

Next time you're blue read up on an-syn, you will probably chortle irl. (Take a shot if it's when you reach "bourse du travail".)

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You know I love you Cheez.  :-*

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 09:25:49 PM

I'm a communist  :'(

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on May 07, 2014, 09:39:26 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 09:25:49 PM

I'm a communist  :'(

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWeZ5SKXvj8

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Seriously doe I thought you were an-syn. :ussrcry

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 09:52:24 PM

They tricked me with the DELICIOUS CANDY :stahp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVG1_lnjw2s

Quote from: Karakand on May 07, 2014, 09:39:26 PM

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Seriously doe I thought you were an-syn. :ussrcry

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I know. It was because of a post I made a year ago :shh

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 07, 2014, 10:09:22 PM

People change.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 10:36:18 PM

*peers through crystal ball*

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(http://i.imgur.com/yh7fjsO.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Qc3dbg7.png)

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 10:37:17 PM

Also I'm not into auto-erotic asphyxiation so I can't be a gay tory anyway

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on May 07, 2014, 11:04:10 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 09:52:24 PM

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I know. It was because of a post I made a year ago :shh

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It was this post but I misremembered it.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=95772928&postcount=10084

I was still half right though, and let's be honest, the Party isn't going to discern between either at the end of the day.  :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on May 07, 2014, 11:07:05 PM

:fbm

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It was actually a different post. I remember it but I'm too lazy to go get it from GAF

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on May 07, 2014, 11:09:13 PM

Might've been in the Actually Existing Socialism thread.  :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2014, 01:01:48 AM

Does anyone know how many investigations took place after the first 9/11 (you know, the less important one)? Checking the wiki page for 9/11, it says only 3 investigations, one from the FBI, one from the CIA, and the 9/11 commission report:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Investigations (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks#Investigations)

I wouldn't be surprised if the actual number was much lower than BENGHAZI! (tm), but three investigations sound pretty damn paltry regardless.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 08, 2014, 10:16:59 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-the-makers-of-wonder-bread.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-the-makers-of-wonder-bread.html)

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2014, 10:46:37 AM

I wonder what Hellmann's political contributions look like.  :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2014, 10:57:41 AM

Give thousands of dollars to politicians and still declare bankruptcy, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 08, 2014, 11:13:35 AM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 08, 2014, 10:16:59 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-the-makers-of-wonder-bread.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/08/upshot/the-countrys-most-republican-company-the-makers-of-wonder-bread.html)

:heh

 :smug well good thing i eat bunny brea- wait FUCK THEY MAKE TASTYKAKES TOO GOD DAMMIT FUCK FUCK FUCK

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 08, 2014, 12:19:47 PM

(http://www.johnbr.com/.a/6a00d83451b84369e201901d572ca2970b-800wi)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 08, 2014, 02:48:06 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 08, 2014, 10:57:41 AM

Give thousands of dollars to politicians and still declare bankruptcy, brehs.

this is actually about the company that bought Hostess out of bankruptcy.  Hedge fund vampires were the guys that prompted a year long twinkie drought.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 09, 2014, 01:09:01 AM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/05/08/seven_essential_benghazi_products_that_will_restore_your_faith_in_america.html?wpisrc=burger_bar

:usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2014, 11:18:48 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 02:00:09 PM

And nobody links to probably the best negative review: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/kapital-for-the-twenty-first-century

Not reading Krugman.   :wag

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on May 09, 2014, 11:34:37 AM

That shower curtain is pretty badass

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 11:49:04 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 09, 2014, 11:18:48 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 07, 2014, 02:00:09 PM

And nobody links to probably the best negative review: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/article/kapital-for-the-twenty-first-century

Not reading Krugman.   :wag

His blog?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2014, 11:56:11 AM

Quote from: Yeti on May 09, 2014, 11:34:37 AM

That shower curtain is pretty badass

OBAMA LIED, TOWELS DRIED

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 09, 2014, 12:08:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 11:49:04 AM

His blog?

dur

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 12:12:45 PM

Thought you might have meant he mentioned it in that review.

dat MONICA & HILLARY graphic
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/09/coulter_democrats_are_against_rape_unless_its_committed_by_a_clinton_or_a_kennedy.html

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ANN COULTER: If we're going to start a the list of things Bill Clinton should have done, this is going to be a long night, a really long segment. But, yeah, Sidney Blumenthal, as Christopher Hitchens said, was going around spreading to journalists that Monica was a stalker and a lunatic.

SEAN HANNITY: Nuts and sluts.

COULTER: It's the way they treated --

HANNITY: Gennifer Flowers, Juanita Broaddrick, another whole different issue.

COULTER: Yeah, that's a big one.

HANNITY: Kathleen Willey. I mean, all the jokes --

COULTER: And Juanita Broaddrick, by the way, is the rape.

HANNITY: That would be rape.

COULTER: As exposed --

HANNITY: He had Kathleen Willey shoved up against the wall.

COULTER: As exposed by NBC, ABC, and others.

HANNITY: But they were all attacked. And this is the side of this because the war on women, Republicans are guilty of war on women. Wait a minute, they started a war against women to a degree that we have not seen before.

COULTER: Right, right, they're against rape unless it's committed by a Clinton or a Kennedy.

HANNITY: Okay. That made news. Uh, let's go to --

COULTER: Just giving you the rules.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: lordmaji on May 09, 2014, 01:33:00 PM

Fuck Benghazi and fuck the idiots in the gov that want to play games by dicking around with this. How about focus on more important shit instead of this stupid shit.

God damn our reps are jackasses. (I guess that makes half/a good portion of our country jackasses).

fucktards.  :maf

/grumpydayrant

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 01:35:12 PM

Quote from: lordmaji on May 09, 2014, 01:33:00 PM

How about focus on more important shit instead of this stupid shit.

How about imagine what they could fuck up regarding important shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 01:47:24 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNQFohIEAER7Xx.png:large)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: lordmaji on May 09, 2014, 01:49:17 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 01:47:24 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNQFohIEAER7Xx.png:large)

Ah, our list of douches that have nothing better to do with their time. Fucking cunts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 02:15:41 PM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/05/the-benghazi-deniers-106498_full.html

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The deniers evidently believe:

An administration should be able to make erroneous statements about a terror attack that killed a U.S. ambassador in the weeks before a presidential election and expect everyone to accept its good intentions afterward.

An administration should be able to withhold a bombshell White House email from congressional investigators and expect everyone to greet its long-delayed release with a yawn.

An administration should be able to send out its press secretary to abase himself with absurd denials of the obvious and expect everyone to consider its credibility solidly intact.
...
The administration’s apologists claim that President Obama immediately called Benghazi a terror attack in a statement in the Rose Garden on Sept. 12, the day after the assault. He did indeed refer to “acts of terror,” although vaguely. In an interview the same day with CBS, he was asked: Was Benghazi the result of a “mob action,” or was it something more serious? “I don’t want to jump the gun on this,” the president said.

He obviously wouldn’t have said he didn’t want to jump the gun if he had already jumped it. Besides, if the president of the United States was willing to say it was a terrorist attack from the very beginning, why was one of his national security officials stuffing his ambassador to the United Nations with pablum in an email just a few days later?

Blaming the video allowed the administration to put the most anodyne possible interpretation on Benghazi, while staying in its ideological comfort zone.

If the video had incited the attack, it meant that extremists both at home and overseas were to blame and that the administration could adopt a defensive posture about our country and its alleged Islamophobia. Parts of the media eagerly picked up this narrative. Time magazine ran an evenhanded cover story lambasting people who make obnoxious YouTube videos and people who kill ambassadors. “These hatemongers,” according to Time, “form a global industry of outrage, working feverishly to give and take offense.”
...
The other notable Benghazi defense from the past week is the “Harold & Kumar Go to White Castle” version of the standard “old news” deflection. Asked about the editing of the initial Benghazi talking points by Fox News’ Bret Baier on “Special Report,” former National Security Council spokesman Tommy Vietor explained helpfully, “Dude, this was like two years ago.”

What’s the statute of limitations on misleading the public about a terror attack , dawg?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 09, 2014, 02:47:16 PM

part of the Benghazi thing is sour grapes over 2012, probably a big part of it.

to be honest, I'd rather the pubs go snipe hunting over this shit then blame Acorn and voter fraud/poor people for their presidential loss.  Starting up committees hurts less people then encroachment on voting rights and actively disenfranchising people (say, killing organizations that help people because VOTER FRAUD DEY STOLE OUR CUNTRY).

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2014, 02:51:07 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 01:47:24 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BnNQFohIEAER7Xx.png:large)

Is there going to be trading cards, so I see what their stats are?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 02:57:43 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on May 09, 2014, 02:30:28 PM

Does anyone actually believe that any revelation about the attack would have made any difference in the election? Maybe Romney loses by 4.9 million votes instead of 5 million?

Even if I agree with the argument that Romney would have won if the whole truth was out, so what?

Mitt Romney's unstoppable momentum after the crushing first debate of the feckless Obama was blunted when Candy Crowley worked in concert with Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice and the Obama White House to lie during a debate knowing it was a lie, all to make Mitt Romney look bad. That's why all the data that was pointing to a massive Romney landslide was "wrong" because it didn't account for the Obama Media's secret plot to derail the Romney Train, they were only polling the real voice of the American people, not the skewed one.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 04:02:46 PM

http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/progressive-bloggers-are-doing-the-white-house-s-job-20140509 (http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/progressive-bloggers-are-doing-the-white-house-s-job-20140509)

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When Jay Carney was grilled at length by Jonathan Karl of ABC News over an email outlining administration talking points in the wake of the 2012 Benghazi attack, it was not, by the reckoning of many observers, the White House press secretary's finest hour. Carney was alternately defensive and dismissive, arguably fueling a bonfire he was trying to tamp down.

But Carney needn't have worried. He had plenty of backup.

He had The New Republic's Brian Beutler dismissing Benghazi as "nonsense." He had Slate's David Weigel, along with The Washington Post's Plum Line blog, debunking any claim that the new email was a "smoking gun." Media Matters for America labeled Benghazi a "hoax." Salon wrote that the GOP had a "demented Benghazi disease." Daily Kos featured the headline: "Here's Why the GOP Is Fired Up About Benghazi—and Here's Why They're Wrong." The Huffington Post offered "Three Reasons Why Reviving Benghazi Is Stupid—for the GOP."

It's been a familiar pattern since President Obama took office in 2009: When critics attack, the White House can count on a posse of progressive writers to ride to its rescue. Pick an issue, from the Affordable Care Act to Ukraine to the economy to controversies involving the Internal Revenue Service and Benghazi, and you'll find the same voices again and again, on the Web and on Twitter, giving the president cover while savaging the opposition. And typically doing it with sharper tongues and tighter arguments than the White House itself.

While the bond between presidential administrations and friendly opinion-shapers goes back as far as the nation itself, no White House has ever enjoyed the luxury that this one has, in which its arguments and talking points can be advanced on a day-by-day, minute-by-minute basis. No longer must it await the evening news or the morning op-ed page to witness the fruits of its messaging efforts.

...

The new landscape has allowed the White House communications shop do what it does best: Figure out new ways to bypass the mainstream media. It holds off-the-record briefings, sometimes with Obama in the room, for select progressive bloggers from outlets such as TPM and ThinkProgress. (More than once, a National Journal reporter who previously worked at a liberal outlet has been invited as well.)

The outreach to progressive bloggers is part of a multipronged White House media strategy that also involves briefings with the likes of bureau chiefs, prominent columnists, even conservative writers such as Byron York and David Brooks, although certainly with each group, the mileage varies.

Consider: A search of White House records shows Ezra Klein, then with The Washington Post's Wonkblog, visiting more than 25 times since 2009; last week, a Post story detailed the travails of Lesley Clark, a White House reporter for McClatchy who has been to the Oval Office three times in the last three years, and has asked one question directly to Obama in all that time.

The hope, from the White House's perspective, is that progressive media elites sway the mainstream press.

....

Still, Jilani worries that some endorse the White House's positions not because they always agree with them, but because they don't want to give the GOP any fodder. "That's a hard thing to separate," he says.

Joan Walsh, an editor-at-large at Salon, brought this tension to a head last year when she slammed Klein for being too critical of the Obamacare rollout and, in essence, giving aid and comfort to the enemy. "On one hand, yes, it's important for Democrats to acknowledge when government screws up, and to fix it," Walsh wrote. "On the other hand, when liberals rush conscientiously to do that, they only encourage the completely unbalanced and unhinged coverage of whatever the problem might be."

Unbalanced. Interesting word for a card-carrying member of the progressive media to use.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2014, 04:10:42 PM

Three words:

Fox Effing News

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2014, 06:06:08 PM

The amount of water that Fox carried for the Bush administration could have filled the Great Lakes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2014, 09:35:06 PM

Newt's on top of Bokoghazigate:
http://www.gingrichproductions.com/2014/05/hillary-clinton-boko-haram-and-benghazi-the-real-scandal/

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2014, 05:15:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fJa-6LgLTA

But what about #Benghazi?!?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 10, 2014, 11:45:06 AM

Gohmert followed that up by complaining that Comcast wouldn't let Glenn Beck be on TV in favor of Al Jazeera's sharia law agenda. :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2014, 01:08:42 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/377686/why-lois-lerner-should-be-granted-immunity-andrew-c-mccarthy

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In this week’s episode of the Capitol Hill soap opera, Lois Lerner, the apparatchik at the center of the IRS jihad against conservative groups, was at long, long last held in contempt of Congress. Amid the farce, the House’s IRS probe is floundering.

Ironically, this happens just as the chamber’s separate probe of the Benghazi massacre has been given a chance to succeed. That is because House speaker John Boehner, after over a year of delay, has finally agreed to appoint a “select committee” to investigate Benghazi. Congress has no constitutional authority to enforce the laws it writes, a power our system vests solely in the executive branch. But a select committee, with a mission to find out what happened — as opposed to conducting oversight through the prism of some committee’s narrow subject-matter jurisdiction (judiciary, budget, education, reform, etc.) — is the closest legislative analogue to a grand jury.

...

The IRS investigation, to the contrary, remains mired in Capitol Hill’s labyrinth of committees and subcommittees. To be sure, some important information has been uncovered. But the case is languishing. Indeed, during the House’s months of dithering over the contempt citation — which is meaningless from an investigative standpoint, however consequential it may be politically — the Obama administration has busied itself codifying the very abuses President Obama claimed to find “outrageous” and “unacceptable” when they first came to light.

In a competent investigation, one designed to find out what actually happened, Lois Lerner would have been immunized months ago. That is, Congress would have voted to compel her testimony by assuring that her statements could not be used against her in any future prosecution — removing the obstacle of her Fifth Amendment privilege against self-incrimination.

...

Lois Lerner clearly presents the second situation . . . though that is apparently less than clear to the folks running the House. Asked about the IRS scandal recently, Speaker Boehner declared, “I don’t care who is going to be fired. I want to know who is going to jail!” That’s a good, fiery sound bite for the campaign season, but it’s exactly wrong.

When officials prove unfit for government power, taking that power away is the highest public interest. Even if you’ve deluded yourself into thinking the Obama Justice Department would lift a finger to prosecute Lois Lerner, who cares if she ever sees the inside of a jail cell? What matters is laying bare the entirety of the scheme and finding out how high it goes: Who and what induced her to orchestrate the harassment of conservative groups? Why was the government’s fearsome tax agency placed in the service of the Democratic party’s political needs?

To get the answers to those questions, you need Ms. Lerner to testify. Instead, the House has wasted a full year chewing over a tough legal issue that, even if it were ultimately resolved in the Oversight Committee’s favor, would not get her any closer to answering questions — at least not for a long time.

...

“But wait,” you say, “if we immunize her, we can’t prosecute her.” My first impulse is to say, “So what?” If she testifies truthfully and gives a full account of what happened, we’ll be a lot more interested in pursuing the officials who instigated the scheme than in prosecuting those who carried it out. But if “Who is going to jail!” is really your big concern, immunity for Ms. Lerner does not protect her if she lies or obstructs the investigation. The statute of limitations on such crimes will not have run out when a new administration takes over in 2017. She could still be prosecuted, and the penalties for those crimes are more severe than whatever her actions at the IRS could have earned her.

If the House really wants to get to the bottom of the IRS abuses, it is long past time to immunize Lerner. Let’s find out what she knows and advance the public’s knowledge of the facts. It will then be possible to determine which, if any, higher-ranking officials in the Obama administration were involved: Were they active participants? Nod-and-a-wink approvers? Unknowing, incidental beneficiaries of the inability of conservative groups to organize effectively?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 10, 2014, 04:03:03 PM

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IRS jihad against conservative groups

lmao

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2014, 08:36:55 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/there-witch-somewhere

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Responding to Democratic allegations that the new Republican Benghazi committee is a “witch hunt,” Sessions argued, “Well, Mr. Speaker, that must mean there is a witch somewhere.”

 :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2014, 11:00:10 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/05/08/obama-benghazi-libya-howard-baker-terrorist-watergate-column/8809559/

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Where is the Democrats' Howard Baker? Where is the courageous member of President Obama's party willing to stand up and ask, "What did the president know, and when did he know it?"

Indeed, the big unanswered question is, What did the president know about what looks more and more like a coverup or fabrication of the cause of the Sept. 11, 2012, attack on the U.S. compound in Benghazi? The bloody attack, orchestrated by a known terrorist group, left four Americans dead, including U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.

In the aftermath, many Republicans asked, and continue to ask, what the president knew. But the question cannot step from behind the shadows of political partisanship until a Democrat also asks. Then, it might force the news media to demand that the White House provide some answers.

That is precisely what happened in 1973 when Tennessee Republican Sen. Howard Baker, a minority member of the Senate Watergate Committee, famously asked what President Nixon knew and when did he know it about the botched 1972 break-in of the Democratic National Committee offices in Washington.

...

But when an e-mail surfaced last week suggesting that Obama aides might have been crafting a cover story to protect the president, no Democrat has been willing to step up and publicly ask the tough questions that need to be asked of the White House:

Did White House officials, including Susan Rice, then ambassador to the United Nations, fabricate and disseminate a story that traced the attack to an angry mob protesting an anti-Muslim video to protect the president, then in the midst of a hard-fought re-election campaign?
Did people in the White House cover up or alter information from the CIA and the Defense Department that indicated the attack was made by terrorists?
Did the president know the full facts and still continue to publicly attribute the attack to the video?

Without Democratic questioning, rather than blind support for the president, the major news media --except for Fox News -- will continue to play the story that Obama and fellow Democrats are spinning: The Benghazi investigation is a partisan witch-hunt full of old news. And creation of a special House committee to look into the role of the White House in crafting the video story will continue to be dismissed as an election-year stunt by Republicans.

Ironically, Fox, much ridiculed for its Benghazi coverage, finds itself in a similar position as The Washington Post back in late 1972 and early 1973 when it was aggressively investigating the Watergate scandal that seemed to reach into the Nixon White House. While Post reporters Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein investigated, most of Nixon's fellow Republicans and much of the news media just yawned. Republicans spun the Democratic allegations of a White House coverup as a partisan witch-hunt against Nixon, whom Democrats despised.

But the tide turned against Nixon in the Spring of 1973 when the Senate, controlled by Democrats, created the Senate Watergate Committee to hold hearings into the alleged coverup of the burglary of the DNC offices. When the bipartisan committee was announced, there was partisan carping from Republicans that Democrats had a vendetta against Nixon. But there were not orchestrated calls for Republicans to boycott the hearings like we hear today from Democrats opposed to the GOP-created committee to look into Benghazi.

Where is the Democrats' Howard Baker?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2014, 12:40:56 AM

DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW IT WAS AN ACT OF TERROR WHEN HE SAID THE NEXT DAY THAT IT WAS AN ACT OF TERROR?!?!?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4DHgVBSL8

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2014, 12:47:00 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2014, 12:40:56 AM

DID THE PRESIDENT KNOW IT WAS AN ACT OF TERROR WHEN HE SAID THE NEXT DAY THAT IT WAS AN ACT OF TERROR?!?!?!?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d4DHgVBSL8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPljLqsolS4

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2014, 03:42:51 AM

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New Hampshire: Christie vs. Clinton   Clinton 37, Christie 34   Clinton +3
New Hampshire: Paul vs. Clinton   Paul 38, Clinton 36   Paul +2
New Hampshire: Bush vs. Clinton   Clinton 42, Bush 32   Clinton +10
New Hampshire: Huckabee vs. Clinton   Clinton 38, Huckabee 36   Clinton +2

Okay, shut it down. Paul's won, no need to have the election, everybody go home.  :american :american :american :american :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on May 11, 2014, 03:55:17 AM

Chant Benghazi three times in a mirror and a Republican will show up and spend hours dancing around any actual reason it is important

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 11, 2014, 07:25:34 AM

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Responding to Democratic allegations that the new Republican Benghazi committee is a “witch hunt,” Sessions argued, “Well, Mr. Speaker, that must mean there is a witch somewhere.”

this basically sums up where the GOP are. lol.

I am constantly amused that trying to make sure people of certain race, sexual orientation, gender and religious creed are treat fairly in the US are being labeled "Nazis"

The GOP is literally moaning about being denied the right to discriminate. History is going to piss in everyone of these peoples faces.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2014, 07:26:49 AM

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Responding to Democratic allegations that the new Republican Benghazi committee is a “witch hunt,” Sessions argued, “Well, Mr. Speaker, that must mean there is a witch somewhere.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxJyPsmEask

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 12, 2014, 01:10:09 AM

Damn..how did I not immediately think of Christine O'Donnell when the witch comments popped up.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on May 12, 2014, 02:04:29 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 12, 2014, 09:21:51 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/12/opinion/show-us-the-drone-memos.html?hp&rref=opinion

rand paul op-ed on drones. :heh at the last bit about minorities tho

It's true in the modern context but not when the Bill of Rights was written. He could say there's supposed to be a system of laws followed to distinguish between political dissent and endorsing terrorism or leaking NSA secrets.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 12, 2014, 04:50:42 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/well-matched

Shelly Sterling also said she "eventually" will divorce her husband, and that she hadn't yet done so due to financial considerations.

"For the last 20 years, I've been seeing attorneys for a divorce," she said. "In fact, I have here — I just filed — I was going to file the petition. I signed the petition for a divorce. And it came to almost being filed. And then, my financial adviser and my attorney said to me, 'Not now.'"

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2014, 05:28:18 PM

That could result in a 10 page Devolution troll thread.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2014, 05:34:05 PM

All part of the GAY AGENDA I suppose

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/clay-aiken-opponent-keith-crisco-dead-n103551

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 13, 2014, 01:03:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg&feature=youtu.be

toxicadam pls

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2014, 02:51:07 AM

http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2014/05/11/the-day-obamas-presidency-died/?singlepage=true

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The curious thing about September 11, 2012 — the day of the Benghazhi attack — is that for some reason it marks the decline of the Obama presidency as clearly as a milepost. We are told by the papers that nothing much happened on that day. A riot in a far-away country. A few people killed. And yet … it may be coincidental, but from that day the administration’s foreign policy seemed inexplicably hexed. The Arab Spring ground to a halt. The secretary of State “resigned.” The CIA director was cast out in disgrace. Not long after, Obama had to withdraw his red line in Syria. Al-Qaeda, whose eulogy he had pronounced, appeared with disturbing force throughout Africa, South Asia and the Arabian Peninsula. Almost as if on cue, Russia made an unexpected return to the world stage, first in Syria, then in the Iranian nuclear negotiations.

Worse was to follow. America’s premier intelligence organization, the National Security Agency, was taken apart in public and the man who took its secrets, Edward Snowden, decamped to Moscow with a laptop full of secrets. But it was all just a curtain raiser to the dismemberment of Ukraine and the disaster in Eastern Europe

The Ukraine has now been effectively partitioned. The Obama administration talk about inflicting “consequences” and “costs” on Russia turned out to be empty. Almost as if to add insult to injury, Iran has declared victory in Syria over Obama. “‘We have won in Syria,’ said Alaeddin Borujerdi, chairman of the Iranian parliament’s national security and foreign policy committee and an influential government insider. ‘The regime will stay. The Americans have lost it.’”

And still there’s no acknowledgement of anything being fundamentally wrong.

...

Let us now return to Parshall’s observation that “all military failures fall into three basic categories: failure to learn from the past, failure to anticipate what the future may bring, and failure to adapt to the immediate circumstances on the battlefield.” It’s possible that Obama did exactly that on the night of September 11, 2012. He didn’t see the double-cross coming; he had no Plan B for Syria, for al-Qaeda, having bet the farm on Plan A and he covered the failure up.

He went and committed all three categories of failure. ”Finally, at the apex of failure stand those rare events when all three basic failures occur simultaneously — an event known as catastrophic failure. In such an occurrence, the result is usually a disaster of such scope that recovery is impossible.”

And now he’s living with the consequences of having to pursue a strategic assumption he knows is wrong but does not dare denounce.

Suppose Benghazi was a catastrophic failure, made all the more dangerous by the possibility that Russia had a hand in it. If Putin, having studied how Reagan used the jihad to bring down Soviet Union, played the same game on Barack Hussein Obama, it would explain many otherwise inexplicable things. The role of Snowden. The disgrace of Petraeus. The exile of anyone and anything to do with Benghazi. The kid-gloves treatment of the Ansar attackers. The strange enmity between Hillary and Obama. Each is bound by the same secret. Each lives in fear of the same smoldering fire burning in the bowels of the administration.

The lie is much more dangerous than the truth. America can live with an Obama mistake. But it can’t live with an Obama who cannot acknowledge his mistakes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2014, 04:53:50 AM

http://gawker.com/bundy-ranchs-armed-defenders-seek-welfare-to-sit-around-1574052982


:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2014, 08:50:26 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 13, 2014, 04:53:50 AM

http://gawker.com/bundy-ranchs-armed-defenders-seek-welfare-to-sit-around-1574052982


:rofl

Of course, the one black guy would be involved.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2014, 08:52:13 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 13, 2014, 02:51:07 AM

And still there’s no acknowledgement of anything being fundamentally wrong.

There is a huge acknowledgement that the GOP is fundamentally wrong about Benghazi.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2014, 09:19:43 AM

Look, I'm even willing to let the first part of that article go, because...whatever, but the idea that Russia orchestrated the Benghazi attack to make Obama look bad and destroy his foreign policy so that they could invade Ukraine? :what

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2014, 01:24:42 AM

Putting a face on policy.
http://m.arktimes.com/arkansas/the-faces-of-health-care-expansion-in-arkansas/Content?oid=3284892

Flawed, compromised, whatever you want to call it...the law is literally saving people's lives.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2014, 09:01:05 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2014, 01:24:42 AM

Putting a face on policy.
http://m.arktimes.com/arkansas/the-faces-of-health-care-expansion-in-arkansas/Content?oid=3284892

Flawed, compromised, whatever you want to call it...the law is literally saving people's lives.

Republicans' worst nightmare came true.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2014, 09:04:18 AM

They should be reminded of it every day.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2014, 10:36:10 AM

I saw that yesterday. :what :comeon

This is the product of right wing radio. How brazen and pathetically stupid.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2014, 12:48:13 PM

Hillary's concussion [which used to be a phony injury to keep from testifying about Benghazi] was actually a really serious injury and she probably has permanent brain damage:

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/14/washington-times-columnist-says-hillary-clinton/199307

[T]he terrorist attack in Benghazi proved that Mrs. Clinton certainly wasn't up to the task.

After months of dodging, evasions and doctors' visits, Mrs. Clinton finally lashed out in public about the attack. "What difference at this point does it make!" she bellowed at her interlocutors.

Well, the families of the four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, would like clear answers and closure. They would like to know why Mrs. Clinton and the White House were far more interested in immediately covering up their handling of the attack than protecting American property and personnel in the first place.

This inability to relate to the pain felt by those around her is a frequent sign of varying degrees of psychosis.

In any event it was an awkward MRI moment that should have gotten the former first lady checked into a rubber room for further evaluation

And, if she really wants to be president, the American people have a right to know what the results of that MRI showed.

:goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 14, 2014, 01:16:20 PM

It's the new "Where's the birth certificate?"

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 14, 2014, 01:32:02 PM

What did Hillary's neurologist know and when did he know it?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 15, 2014, 11:25:09 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/operation-american-spring

Quote

The idea behind Operation American Spring is simple: the restoration of constitutional government, the rule of law, freedom, and liberty. The plan calls for the removal from office of President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and Attorney General Eric Holder. And that's just to start.

 :sabu

Quote

"Those with the principles of a West, Cruz, Dr. Ben Carson, Lee, DeMint, Paul, Gov Walker, Sessions, Gowdy, Jordan, should comprise a tribunal and assume positions of authority to convene investigations, recommend appropriate charges against politicians and government employees to the new U.S. Attorney General appointed by the new President," according to the website.

:beli :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 11:26:49 AM

appoint a new president without an election brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 15, 2014, 12:09:45 PM

Quote

Phase One of Operation American Spring – Beginning Of Tyranny Housecleaning

These barely literate baboons :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 15, 2014, 12:33:18 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2014, 12:48:13 PM

Hillary's concussion [which used to be a phony injury to keep from testifying about Benghazi] was actually a really serious injury and she probably has permanent brain damage:

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/14/washington-times-columnist-says-hillary-clinton/199307

[T]he terrorist attack in Benghazi proved that Mrs. Clinton certainly wasn't up to the task.

After months of dodging, evasions and doctors' visits, Mrs. Clinton finally lashed out in public about the attack. "What difference at this point does it make!" she bellowed at her interlocutors.

Well, the families of the four Americans, including the U.S. ambassador to Libya, would like clear answers and closure. They would like to know why Mrs. Clinton and the White House were far more interested in immediately covering up their handling of the attack than protecting American property and personnel in the first place.

This inability to relate to the pain felt by those around her is a frequent sign of varying degrees of psychosis.

In any event it was an awkward MRI moment that should have gotten the former first lady checked into a rubber room for further evaluation

And, if she really wants to be president, the American people have a right to know what the results of that MRI showed.

:goty

Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/14/bill-clinton-karl-rove_n_5324214.html

WASHINGTON -- Former President Bill Clinton on Wednesday mocked Karl Rove's recent claim that Hillary Clinton may have brain damage, invoking a previous right-wing conspiracy theory about his wife's December 2012 fall.

"Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds," Bill Clinton said when asked about Rove's comments at a fiscal conference. "First they say she faked her concussion; now they say she's auditioning for a part on 'The Walking Dead'!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 15, 2014, 01:02:10 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 15, 2014, 12:09:45 PM

Quote

Phase One of Operation American Spring – Beginning Of Tyranny Housecleaning

These barely literate baboons :neogaf

That's reverse racism :ufup

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 15, 2014, 01:04:48 PM

BRAINGHAZI

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 02:44:58 PM

ether  :lol

I completely forgot about that, they did indeed claim she was faking her injury. :dead

I will say that the rush to accuse conservatives of sexism here seems ridiculous, given how much time was spent noting McCain's age. Ageism.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 15, 2014, 05:19:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 02:44:58 PM

I will say that the rush to accuse conservatives of sexism here seems ridiculous, given how much time was spent noting McCain's age. Ageism.

Was McCain's age ever really talked about that much, though? I know it got mentioned a couple times, but I don't know that it was ever seriously considered an impediment. Nothing at all like the 2000 GOP primary, where he was basically accused of being crazy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 05:22:31 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 15, 2014, 05:19:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 02:44:58 PM

I will say that the rush to accuse conservatives of sexism here seems ridiculous, given how much time was spent noting McCain's age. Ageism.

Was McCain's age ever really talked about that much, though? I know it got mentioned a couple times, but I don't know that it was ever seriously considered an impediment. Nothing at all like the 2000 GOP primary, where he was basically accused of being crazy.

I remember it being mentioned quite a bit in contrast to Obama's young age, especially after he chose Palin as VP.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 15, 2014, 05:25:42 PM

To be fair, choosing Palin as VP was a pretty clear sign of dementia.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2014, 05:27:08 PM

wait until Hillary chooses Sasha Obama.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 15, 2014, 07:25:44 PM

McCain's age was an issue, but it was also pertaining to his overall health, as he's had multiple bouts of skin cancer.

and putting Palin one heartbeat away from the big chair didn't assuage anybody about those same concerns.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2014, 08:40:30 PM

Quote

BILL O'REILLY: Do you believe that under President Obama that we have lost the respect of the world? I mean, are we still respected overseas?

LT. COL. RALPH PETERS: No, and I can put it very simply to you. First of all, Obama wants to be loved and Americans want to be loved. Great powers are never loved. They're often hated out of shear jealousy. What our rational goal should be around the world, unwavering goal should be to be trusted by our allies, respected by neutrals, and feared by our enemies. Today, we are not trusted by our allies, we are not respected by neutrals, and we are not feared by our enemies. Thank you, President Obama.

:bow :usacry :american :usacry :american :usacry :bow2

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2014, 08:59:16 PM

Thanks, Obama!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 16, 2014, 11:19:25 AM

I assume everyone's seen this, but still...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EocFjwaJNw0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-LAEhWZOKM

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 16, 2014, 11:34:19 AM

....fuck

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2014, 02:26:06 PM

Does everyone feel reassured that the Senate puts Idaho on equal footing with every other state? I sure do.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on May 16, 2014, 03:38:54 PM

:nsfw :nsfw :nsfw
http://youtu.be/xDAa4lWQn8M

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 16, 2014, 04:41:50 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 15, 2014, 11:25:09 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/operation-american-spring

Quote

The idea behind Operation American Spring is simple: the restoration of constitutional government, the rule of law, freedom, and liberty. The plan calls for the removal from office of President Barack Obama, Vice President Joe Biden, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV), Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY), House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH), House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), and Attorney General Eric Holder. And that's just to start.

 :sabu

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/operation-american-spring-fails

Quote

“It’s a very dismal turnout,” Jackie Milton, the head of Texans for Operation American Spring, told The Washington Times. “We were getting over two inches of rain [an] hour in parts of Virginia this morning. … Now it’s a nice sunny day. But this is a very poor turnout. It ain’t no millions. And it ain’t looking like there’s going to be millions. Hundreds is more like it

:shaq2

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/16/watch-live-operation-american-spring-warns-of-fema-roundup-civil-war-chemtrails/

Quote

“I’m so fed up with the tyranny I sold my jet ski,” the caller said. “I’m so fed up with the way the government is manipulating the water with the chemtrails, I’m afraid I can’t even use my jet ski.”

:sabu
:sabu
:sabu
:sabu

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 16, 2014, 04:45:45 PM

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 16, 2014, 05:41:57 PM

Foiled by Obama's weather drones.  :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 16, 2014, 08:14:01 PM

Can someone tell me why Democrats seriously want Hilary as a candidate? What exactly are her qualifications besides having a familiar name and being a woman? So, why is the democratic party interested in making dynasties in a country that is anti-monarchy when there are equally suitable candidates such as Olympia Snowe? Are they going for brand recognition to fight against Rubio? Is that even necessary against a modern republican party?

Do dems really think she'll be an improvement over Obama?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 08:26:13 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 16, 2014, 08:14:01 PM

Can someone tell me why Democrats seriously want Hilary as a candidate? What exactly are her qualifications besides having a familiar name and being a woman? So, why is the democratic party interested in making dynasties in a country that is anti-monarchy when there are equally suitable candidates such as Olympia Snowe? Are they going for brand recognition to fight against Rubio? Is that even necessary against a modern republican party?

Do dems really think she'll be an improvement over Obama?

You do know Olympia Snow is a republican right?

And I don't think "dynasty" means what you think it means.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 16, 2014, 08:34:26 PM

Yeah, I know she's an R. Sorry, brain fart. Your post doesn't answer my question though. And I think it does. In the past 20+ years of American politics we have had three different families as president, and people want another Clinton, ignoring Hilary's politics.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on May 16, 2014, 08:37:12 PM

dems know shell win, and lots of beltway people know theyll have guaranteed jobs when she does

and no one in politics cares about political purity or whatever; its about winning and making money and having access

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 16, 2014, 08:37:22 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 16, 2014, 08:34:26 PM

In the past 20+ years of American politics we have had three different families as president,

I know you put a "+" there, but in the past 20 years of American politics, there have only been three different presidents.  I'm not sure how you are supposed to get more than three families as president in that scenario. :P

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 16, 2014, 08:43:36 PM

You're right, Boogie. People - R's - still want Jeb Bush to run just to complete a Bush trilogy. We have had two Bush's and people want another Clinton. People agree that corruption is high in Washington, so why want to vote in someone from the old guard - especially after the disappointment of Obama? That's what I'm confused about.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 09:25:08 PM

The people who want Jeb Bush to run hated W Bush. No offense but I get the impression you don't know what you're talking about.

I'll take Hillary over any insane person who wins the republican nominee in 2016. I would have preferred her in 2008.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on May 16, 2014, 09:36:05 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 16, 2014, 08:43:36 PM

You're right, Boogie.

I don't think you're getting what my point was.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 16, 2014, 10:04:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 09:25:08 PM

The people who want Jeb Bush to run hated W Bush. No offense but I get the impression you don't know what you're talking about.

I'll take Hillary over any insane person who wins the republican nominee in 2016. I would have preferred her in 2008.

What gives you confidence that Hilary would be a good president? Sat on Wal-Mart board for 6 years, had a failed healthcare bill, anti-video game pap, voted yes on Iraq, was in charge of handling security in Libya. Hilary Clinton is a train of endless failures and represents the elite America now abhors. The Dems can do so much better. It is a shame Warren isn't running, because unlike Hilary, she has actually done shit to improve peoples lives, but on the other hand, if she wins her political career is over and we still need politicians like her.

I think that the Democratic party would probably be in trouble if she ends up as the candidate. If there's anything Americans want less of, it is the same shit. Then again, against a crippled Republican party, anything is possible.

And in Texas, I've met more than a few people who support Jeb simply because he is a Bush.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 10:14:34 PM

Never said she'd be a good president. However she knows what she'd be getting into, and thus wouldn't waste valuable time courting republicans who would rather see her impeached. There will be no Lucy football moments with her. I think she'd enter office in a wave election but still have to deal with a republican House due to gerrymandering, and thus her first four years would look a lot like post 2009 Obama. Which is great but again, I'll take that over Jeb/Paul/Cruz/Christie/etc any day of the week.

If she gets the nomination she wins - barring some massive scandal or economic implosion in the next couple years. I can't come up with one logical scenario where she loses under normal circumstances.
http://www.270towin.com/

The current republican party is fucked, they'll have to change in the coming years. Demographics+Obamacare are going to fuck them.

Your anecdotal evidence doesn't really carry weight on Bush. Jeb is hated on the far right and would have to move to the right in order to get the nomination - similar to what happened with Romney. The Bush name is pretty much trash on the national scale, and I think the GOP will figure that out before 2016.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 16, 2014, 10:52:42 PM

Ultimately, Republicans are going to go with an asshole neocon no matter what. The way I see it, now that there's not a president to re-elect this is the perfect opportunity to reel in an actual progressive and not another corporate slut with shit all for qualificiations. The fact many Dems  are already going in "I'd rather have _______ than ______ republican candidate" mode is pretty sad. If Hilary is the the nom, I'm definitely voting Green again.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2014, 11:00:13 PM

Everybody here wants Elizabeth Warren, but that ain't gonna happens so bring on 8 years of Hillary.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on May 16, 2014, 11:07:11 PM

Yeah I don't think any sane democrat believes Hillary will somehow be the nation's savior. It's the lesser of two evils, the way the presidential race has always been.

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 16, 2014, 10:52:42 PM

Ultimately, Republicans are going to go with an asshole neocon no matter what. The way I see it, now that there's not a president to re-elect this is the perfect opportunity to reel in an actual progressive and not another corporate slut with shit all for qualificiations. The fact many Dems  are already going in "I'd rather have _______ than ______ republican candidate" mode is pretty sad. If Hilary is the the nom, I'm definitely voting Green again.

exactly the kind of thing I'd expect a Shenmue fan to say. voicing your support for something completely hopeless and impractical (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 11:25:11 PM

If the last few years have taught us anything it's that presidents have to also be judged by what they prevent from happening, not just what they accomplish. I don't expect the next democrat president to rein in Wall Street or pass progressive energy bills, given the gerrymandered House and corporate democrats. What I do expect and want is the ACA preserved and made better, avoidance of idiotic major military interventions, an active civil rights division of the DoJ, and sane judges. Obama has done most of that, especially with regards to his civil rights people. I want a continuation of that stuff.

At the end of the day the president is only as strong as his control of congress - not by wining and dining, but by having the most members of his party in charge. I would have liked to have seen Obama get more shit done when he had both the House and Senate, but at least he got the ACA and some other stuff. More than likely the next president won't get anything big done, outside of maybe some compromised immigration reform.

My view of the presidency is that I'd rather have my guy (or girl) in there to prevent bad shit from happening. Bad shit will inevitably happen regardless, but I'd expect Hillary to avoid the onslaught of bad shit that say...a Chris Christie presidency would bring.

TLDR: throw the romantic view of the presidency in the bushes

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2014, 12:25:06 AM

The Clintons are powerful because they were the only non-Congressional Dem machine to be built since McGovern. That's why people like Leon Panetta keep showing up even though he was a nobody Representative. Or Terry McAuliffe is a state Governor. Even Rahm Emanuel came to "power" though the Clinton Campaign and White House.

The Republican domination of Presidential Administrations and the LBJ implosion is what contributed to the recycling of so many Nixon/Ford/Reagan/Bush officials again and again while the Democrats had no executive bench.

Hell, the Bush political family only still exists because John Connally set giving H.W. a job as a condition on accepting Secretary of Treasury and since Nixon had a man crush on the guy he couldn't say no.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2014, 11:00:13 PM

Everybody here wants Elizabeth Warren, but that ain't gonna happens so bring on 8 years of Hillary.

Collectivist!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2014, 12:29:19 AM

But surely even though Warren isn't running, does it HAVE to be Hillary? It can't be anyone else?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on May 17, 2014, 12:32:25 AM

unless you wanna vote for a wacko neo-con, no, there's no other option. welcome to the two-party, first-past-the-post system, bitches :rejoice

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2014, 01:03:11 AM

If Hillary  Clinton is the only thing the democratic party has, we - as in the country - are in trouble.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2014, 01:17:08 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 09:25:08 PM

The people who want Jeb Bush to run hated W Bush.

Not true.  The establishment GOP fundraisers who all seem to like Jeb now lined up behind W so early in the 2000 cycle that McCain was the only one able to afford a campaign, and barely one at that.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2014, 01:43:19 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on May 17, 2014, 01:03:11 AM

If Hillary  Clinton is the only thing the democratic party has, we - as in the country - are in trouble.

It's not that she's the only thing, or even the best thing (personally I recommend Grover Cleveland as the candidate) that they have it's that currently a confluence of factors indicate she has the best assets. 50+ point lead in primary polls, leads in most every head to head, massive fundraising network, the fact that everyone in the world learned from 2008 you can't hold back and try to swamp momentum with bigger states, few people where the timing lines up AND who are willing to enter a race down 50 points two years out.

The presumption for Hillary is so strong that when she's removed from polls Biden becomes a second "not sure" answer and when he's taken out the field looks worse than the Republicans. Unless or until some others start running that won't change.

A hoo-mon fee-male should run just to challenge the notion that Hillary was anointed to be the first female President when her husband won in 1992.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2014, 07:34:38 AM

How do you see you the republican party tackling a candidate Hillary? Surely they are going to go with an argument that she is bad representation for the fee male species because she didn't divorce Bill post-Monica. In fact, some are already doing it! CAN'T WAIT. I expect them to go all out. Monica will be brought up. Iraq war vote will be brought up, BENGHAZI, and even her prior campaign. They will have a lot of ammo for Clinton. Is this good/bad for her presidential aims?

Also, I find it really curious the Democratic party is going the "next in line" tactic. The last major preosdential loss they had was in 2000 when they did the same thing. Usually Dems do a "new blood" thing, whereas Republicans do a next in line (and I quote Bush) " stay the course" tactic that implies legacy. I'm just surprised that after 6 years the dems haven't established anyone new instead of taking advantage of rising apathy in American voters.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2014, 08:54:08 AM

The "next in line" thing is just a factor of selective history reading really.

In 1984 and 2000 the first elections they could, Democrats went with their last VP. Lieberman was a bit of a curve ball. But had Obama not run Edwards was polling as the primary threat to Hillary.

Reagan made himself "next in line" by nearly beating Ford, then Bush was his VP. Dole is where the "next in line" theory got traction, but W. Bush thwarts that. (I'd argue Colin Powell was the true "next in line" for both 1996 and 2000. Plus go on CSPAN's site and watch the early 1996 debates.  :lol  :bow Bob Dornan and Morey Taylor :bow2)

Prior to this you had VP Humphrey getting the Dem nom in 1968, and Goldwater/Nixon (Romney in part) both derailing Rockefeller front-runner bids.

The McGovern and Carter paths to the nomination are quite interesting. McGovern basically designed the primary system and even into 1980 a lot of candidates were running the "wait until the convention" campaign style but he knew he could rely, like the Paulites, on people who did know the rules becoming delegates first and upsetting the balance. Then Carter's team had projected that campaigning (he started in 1974!) and winning early, even if insignificant technically would help get the resources for the needed infrastructure that ended the late candidacies that Jerry Brown, Frank Church and some others attempted in that same campaign.

Plus, Ted Kennedy was the real front-runner in both instances and would have been in an open 1980 or 1984 I think.

I think both McCain and Romney's nominations like Dole and Kerry's had more to do with "these are the other choices?" When nobody else seriously threatened them in early states, they rolled quickly.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2014, 11:06:22 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2014, 01:17:08 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2014, 09:25:08 PM

The people who want Jeb Bush to run hated W Bush.

Not true.  The establishment GOP fundraisers who all seem to like Jeb now lined up behind W so early in the 2000 cycle that McCain was the only one able to afford a campaign, and barely one at that.

Good point on fundraisers however the voting base and conservative writers who want Jeb now were largely opposed to W Bush's presidency before it ended. Personally I think Scott Walker will be the nominee since he's the only guy who isn't hated by one side or another (tea party, hawks, fiscal conservatives, etc). Just last month Jeb called illegal immigration an act of love, on the part of the Mexican parent who flees his country to feed his children here. I detect no lies in that statement however the right went insane over it for weeks. He's going to fizzle big time.

On the "next in line" argument: republicans reset the board every few elections with their "change" candidate who promises to be different. I'd argue Reagan was more of a change candidate than a next in line one; while he was indeed next I line after 1976 he had no ties to previous administrations or the general Washington GOP structure. Similar to W Bush, another governor who was able to run against Washington and promise a new, "compassionate" conservatism. Both candidates created a new "next in line" structure for their successors: McCain, Santorum, Mitch Daniels, etc. For republicans, the change candidate is almost always a governor who arrives on the scene claiming he is different from the status quo in Washington.

Romney's nomination ended that run of Bush people IMO, and the next republican who wins will usher in a new successor list.

Hillary is tied to Obama, as Gore was tied to Clinton. If she were to lose there would be quite a vacuum created for 2020. Because she'll win I'd expect the democrat bench to get stronger over her terms. The mayor of San Antonio comes to mind, and his congressman twin brother; candidates with promise but who aren't ready to make the leap to the national scale.  Outside of that the bench is rather empty. Unless you count older folks like Mark Warner and Brian Schweitzer.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 17, 2014, 03:58:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOkT0_-BG_Y

:usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 17, 2014, 06:10:24 PM

90s nostalgia.  We've reinflated the tech bubble, now we need to have another Clinton in the White House.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2014, 08:33:15 PM

PD, stahp.  You're going Cheebs on us.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2014, 09:55:48 PM

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/jeb-bush-looking-more-seriously-like-a-2016-contender-hits-the-road/2180275

So when will Jeb stop supporting immigration reform and Common Core? A right wing heel turn is inevitable. Hell, remember when his book came out last year and he flip flopped on a pathway to citizenship, causing quite a stir until he decided to flip again?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on May 18, 2014, 12:04:04 AM

(https://d13csqd2kn0ewr.cloudfront.net/uploads/image/file/49405/cropped_Zonaceleb.gif?ts=1400383595)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 18, 2014, 07:29:45 AM

Get the meds, granpa's having an episode!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on May 18, 2014, 10:21:30 AM

Thread title change is superb.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 10:38:30 AM

Quote from: Esch on May 18, 2014, 10:13:59 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 17, 2014, 08:33:15 PM

You're going Cheebs on us.

What does this mean?

#NewBore

It means I'm confusing the laymen with my master's degree logic.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 04:05:57 PM

 :drudge GASP, KOCH EXPOSED BY NYT :drudge
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/politics/quixotic-80-campaign-gave-birth-to-kochs-powerful-network.html

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He backed the full legalization of abortion and the repeal of laws that criminalized drug use, prostitution and homosexuality. He attacked campaign donation limits and assailed the Republican star Ronald Reagan as a hypocrite who represented “no change whatsoever from Jimmy Carter and the Democrats.”

It was 1980, and the candidate was David H. Koch, a 40-year-old bachelor living in a rent-stabilized apartment in New York City. Mr. Koch, the vice-presidential nominee for the Libertarian Party, and his older brother Charles, one of the party’s leading funders, were mounting a long-shot assault on the fracturing American political establishment.

The Kochs had invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in the burgeoning libertarian movement. In the waning days of the 1970s, in the wake of Watergate, Vietnam and a counterculture challenging traditional social mores, they set out to test just how many Americans would embrace what was then a radical brand of politics.

...

The family’s frustrations were captured in a fund-raising letter that Charles Koch wrote on behalf of the 1976 Libertarian presidential candidate, Roger MacBride, a co-creator of the “Little House on the Prairie” television series. Mr. Koch excoriated Presidents Richard M. Nixon and Gerald R. Ford for backing price controls, and attacked legislation to impose fuel economy standards as “one of the many demonstrations of the bankruptcy of the Republican alternative to Democratic interventionism.”

...

But a Clark presidential campaign needed money and a running mate. The Kochs could provide both. If one of the brothers joined the ticket, he could — thanks to the Buckley loophole — donate as much as he wanted to the campaign, finally giving the ticket enough cash to run ads and seek a ballot spot in all 50 states. David Koch announced his candidacy in August 1979.

The post-Watergate campaign finance law “makes my blood boil,” Mr. Koch wrote in a letter to party members. He had a simple proposal: “As the Vice-presidential nominee of the Libertarian Party I will contribute several hundred thousand dollars to the Presidential campaign committee in order to ensure that our ideas and our Presidential nominee receive as much media exposure as possible.”

...

David Koch ultimately contributed about $2.1 million, more than half the campaign budget. But the costs began to wear on his siblings, Mr. Koch recounted in an interview with New York magazine. In September 1980, at a rally in Los Angeles, Mr. Crane and Charles Koch shared an elevator with Melinda Pillsbury-Foster, a libertarian activist, who overheard Charles Koch grumbling that his brother was dipping into his investments to pay for the effort.

“Charles was horrified that David had actually had to spend capital instead of just some of the interest on some of his money,” said Ms. Pillsbury-Foster, who became a critic of the brothers’ involvement in the libertarian movement.

David Koch had no expectation of winning. “If we get 3 percent of the vote we’ll consider it a moral victory,” he told students on a visit to upstate New York.

Strangely, the article doesn't cite, say, Radicals for Capitalism.

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sfdphd is a trusted commenter San Francisco 20 hours ago
I heard there is a new book coming out on the history of the whole Koch family, including the father's support for fascism during WWII and the sad personal abuse of the other brothers.

The public needs to know everything we can about these people since they are trying to take over the government. This article by Confessore sounds like just a small part of the story...

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ECWB Florida 19 hours ago
Bravo to the Times for focusing on the folks that brought us Citizens United. I hope you'll continue with stories about their current activities, the politicians they support, and the Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute, among others, that enjoy tax-exempt status.
They've been operating in the shadows for far too long.

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Gus Hallin Durango 17 hours ago
When you read the Kochs' mission statement from the 70's, it sounds like everything they set out to do has fully materialized to an almost surreal degree. Nixon, Reagan, Cheney, Bush, Norquist, Kristol, George Will etc.. were the tools, these guys have been setting the agenda all along. We have lost, people. The only question remaining is, is it time to start a new war, this time on our terms?

Thank you for this article, New York Times.

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DW Rancho Mirage 19 hours ago
It makes my blood boil every time I have to read the name of david koch on the New York State Theatre In reviews of events there. Is there no one who will give some money to get rid of this blot on Lincoln Center?

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njglea is a trusted commenter Seattle 5 hours ago
Daddy's little rich boys, spending daddy's money to further his John Birch ideals of no government, formed right after he ripped off Joseph Stalin's government to "earn" his fortune during the chaos of the Russian revolution. Daddy's little rich boys, living in New York in rent-stabilized apartments, living off the interest on the fortune we allowed them to steal by letting them drill for OUR oil. Daddy's little rich boys who think they don't have to live by any bothersome rules that might cut into their stolen-inherited wealth. Daddy's stupid little rich boys, doing all they can to destroy OUR government so they can suck up even more of OUR resources and money and use OUR taxpayer dollars to fight their oil wars and not give one penny back to support the goose that laid their golden egg. Anti-government? No. Just anti-democracy because they want it all for themselves. Time to tax it all away from them and let them live on the streets for a while. Let's see how smart they are without daddy's money.

OURS

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M.M. Austin, TX 15 hours ago
Libertarianism is anti-civilization; it seeks to destroy society by legitimizing greed and, with that, undo thousands of years of hard work to tame the reptilian traces that make human nature the awful and diagusting thing it is.

Civilization is not cheap and it's not a given. Humans are petty, greedy, unscrupulous animals willing to kill, maim, cheat and steal in their quest to accumulate material things. The only reason we're still here is because civilization has successfully tamed our nature (in some parts of the world) so we don't kill each other off.

Anyone who espouses libertarianism is an enemy of civilization and should be dealt with as such. Charles and David Koch fit the bill really well.

If I worked for the NYT, I'd make this comment a NYT Editors Pick:

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Winemaster2 GA 10 hours ago
It is no wonder that yahoo like Clarence Thomas is in the pockets for the likes of the Koch brothers and their like minded malignant narcissists, chronic scapegoating grab bagger, bigots who pander these corrupt politician to toe the line about the senile old Reagan Hog Wash that the Government is the problem and not the solution. While the two bit actor not only expanded the government auspices, tripled the federal deficit, but illegally used taxpayers money for Iran Contra affair, aiding and abetting death squads in South America, Plus using his favorite freedom fighter bind Laden and the Mujahadeen for that other US proxy war in Afghanistan, paying some over tens of billions in cash and military hardware in convoys. Then like all conservative republicans renege all promises , after the soviets withdrew and the dust settled. These Koch brothers with their private billion and no accountability as how they spend and misappropriate their ill begotten loot. Of course core industries such as manufacturing, refining and distribution of petroleum, chemicals, energy, fiber, intermediates and polymers, minerals , fertilizers, pulp and paper, chemical technology equipment, ranching, finance, commodities trading, as well as other ventures and investments with 50,000 work force in the US and some 20.000 some 59 countries has to be very very profitable business . To that end some $200 plus billion is just peanuts corrupting judges and spreading GOP propaganda .

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

I dunno why you keep defending the Kochs for free.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but surely you could do the same thing and get a bit of scratch while you're at it.  Maximize your utility, young man.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 04:22:48 PM

Kochs...
:yeshrug

don't care. Apparently conservatives get butthurt whenever the name George Soros is uttered, and now democrats have their version.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 04:27:13 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2014, 04:19:03 PM

I dunno why you keep defending the Kochs for free.

I mean, I understand where you're coming from but surely you could do the same thing and get a bit of scratch while you're at it.  Maximize your utility, young man.

I saw your comment on the NYT, I don't know why you assume I'm not getting paid considering how little effort I put into it.  (http://i.minus.com/jHy98P2tHz1Cf.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2014, 04:44:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 04:22:48 PM

Kochs...
:yeshrug

don't care. Apparently conservatives get butthurt whenever the name George Soros is uttered, and now democrats have their version.

Hey, I don't necessarily blame the Kochs for spending hundred of millions of dollars to legally influence election in their favor, but the Roberts Court on the other hand...

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 18, 2014, 06:36:44 PM

My guess is that Benji is a "I don't take this shit too seriously" sort of guy who likes to prod people to get reactions.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 06:38:59 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2014, 04:44:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2014, 04:22:48 PM

Kochs...
:yeshrug

don't care. Apparently conservatives get butthurt whenever the name George Soros is uttered, and now democrats have their version.

Hey, I don't necessarily blame the Kochs for spending hundred of millions of dollars to legally influence election in their favor, but the Roberts Court on the other hand...

Agreed.

Also Kos always says when left leaning people actually vote, democrats win. We wouldn't have a lot of these "Koch problems" if Hispanics/blacks/young people/etc could mail in a damn ballot during midterms.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 07:26:11 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 18, 2014, 06:36:44 PM

My guess is that Benji is a "I don't take this shit too seriously" sort of guy who likes to prod people to get reactions.

I just thought it amusing that the big Sunday NYT expose was about the only things the Kochs were famous for before like two years ago. And that it seems like part of one chapter from Radicals for Capitalism. Yet this is all IN THE SHADOWS AND OMG ALL OUR DEMOCRACIES.

Also, I love reading comment sections for hyperbolic lunacy and word salads.  :yeshrug

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2014, 11:17:54 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 18, 2014, 06:36:44 PM

My guess is that Benji is a "I don't take this shit too seriously" sort of guy who likes to prod people to get reactions.

Or a guy who makes a big show of being flippant because of how deeply he cares.  Not that you'd particularly relate...

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2014, 11:29:44 PM

Oh, and going Cheebs means passing on Politico clickbait level analysis ("team of rivals!") as actual insight.

Like really confident statements about "next in line" and "change candidates" based on tiny data samples, a lack of historical context, and fuzzy enough definitions of your terms to make anything seem to fit.  C'mon now.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 18, 2014, 11:30:55 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2014, 11:17:54 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 18, 2014, 06:36:44 PM

My guess is that Benji is a "I don't take this shit too seriously" sort of guy who likes to prod people to get reactions.

Or a guy who makes a big show of being flippant because of how deeply he cares.  Not that you'd particularly relate...

 :goty2

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2014, 11:41:24 PM

I obviously care at an abstract level, out of interest, like with the NBA.

Not at an AWESOM-O level.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 12:06:05 AM

Quote from: Esch on May 18, 2014, 11:58:02 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2014, 11:29:44 PM

Oh, and going Cheebs means passing on Politico clickbait level analysis ("team of rivals!") as actual insight.

Like really confident statements about "next in line" and "change candidates" based on tiny data samples, a lack of historical context, and fuzzy enough definitions of your terms to make anything seem to fit.  C'mon now.

Actually he does this a lot with rap music discussions as of late.  It makes me miss the PD that just had fun bullshitting, this new 'expert' one isn't as fun :tocry

I'm going full Questlove, breh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 12:23:30 AM

Quote from: Esch on May 19, 2014, 12:12:23 AM

It's why you keep losing arguments to me whenever you ask gaf-hop for a vote, breh. You need to stop whipping up these hilarious "this is how it is" observation narratives and lowkey parading them as fact. Better to rely on your time tested killer combination of humor, old trolls, and gay subliminals for maximum effect.

What? I won the last two  :lol

Go back and check the votes, it was pretty obvious.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 12:29:06 AM

I'm counting a clear win for Favor For A Favor. Empire State of Mind...nah you got me there.

there was another vote more recent than those though right? I can't remember.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 12:38:05 AM

I see at least 3 Soulja Girls in your squad who aren't eligible to vote. I'll keep this W.
(http://i.imgur.com/oqjkRWr.png)

The Rocawear thing wasn't a real beef, and let's be real: Rocawear was never "high fashion" or in the realm of what Kanye has been trying to do. It's like comparing his vision to FUBU, I'm not buying it. Every rapper and their mama had a clothes line in the 90s, would you compare any of them to Kanye's fashion obsession?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 12:46:11 AM

Overcast and mooose are up standing hip hop heads breh. Fine gentlemen.
 :obama

I guess I'll give you Hov doing one thing before Kanye since it matters so much to you.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 12:49:42 AM

I'm trying to kick the shit you need to learn tho

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 01:05:56 AM

I can't think of a non-stan narrative I've expressed that wasn't accurate, and I get the impression you've agreed with most of them.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 01:17:28 AM

:yeshrug

I like to believe I'm right 90% of the time on hip hop. I trust my taste on just about everything, whether it's safe or left stuff.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 01:32:49 AM

I rarely discuss the south because I don't care for most of it, so that's no L on my part. You're right I'm baffled by Young Thug, but with respect to left/younger stuff...where have I not been able to understand why something is big or relevant?

btw you're agreeing with me as we type, in the GAF-Hop thread, on The Roots.
 :jawalrus

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 01:40:25 AM

You agree with me on the majority of non-Nas/Jay related topics
(http://i.imgur.com/SOwCzsF.png)

Hell our top ten album lists look pretty similar every year breh. Admit it, the only difference is I'm more editorial and listen to less swag rap.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 02:00:06 AM

I like some trap. I just feel that shit is tired as hell now. I appreciate some drill. It's not that I don't like that stuff, I think Lil Herb has some cool shit. It's just that I don't find myself listening to that stuff unless I'm in a "let's see what everyone is talking about" mood.

thabiz hates just about everything that is modern, and will cosign the flabbiest, corny punchline rapper as long as he's rapping over Impeach The President drums. I may have a strong east coast bias and like lyrics, but I can vibe to just about anything that "works" musically. Young Lean has songs that just...work (Kyoto). Even Chief Keef has songs that are undeniably wavy. I'm not going to listen to that shit expecting lyrical miracles.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2014, 02:23:01 AM

First they take over our White House, then they take over our politics thread.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on May 19, 2014, 02:27:36 AM

Let's get this back on track then

(http://i.imgur.com/sdbqu82.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2014, 05:41:33 AM

mods help

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on May 19, 2014, 03:54:32 PM

im gonna go propose to my future husband with a cock ring

#GayMarriageOR

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2014, 06:23:32 PM

Operation American Spring is ramping up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84qfizTSs40

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 19, 2014, 07:05:35 PM

God sent a flood to keep tyranny alive? :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 19, 2014, 07:07:56 PM

"We would have had more protesters but flooding prevented them from leaving their camps"
:dead

reminds me of the "x Nintendo product didn't sell well because of the recent heat wave in Japan" excuse :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2014, 07:46:32 PM

There's also the fact that conservatives are likely to have jobs and families to take care of so they can't be bused by the dumpster load in for whatever the latest fad protest the Democrats are staging. If it wasn't for the Obama Economy there would be a lot more Great Americans out there speaking their voice and supporting the country.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 19, 2014, 07:55:02 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/flood-insurance-climate-change

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Surprisingly, though, Congress – where many House Republicans reject the notion that anthropogenic climate change is happening at all – came together in March to do something. Did they take action to slow climate change or pass new policies to encourage building further away from beaches and floodplains? No. They agreed to roll back previous reforms and reinstate generous federal insurance subsidies for seaside homes.

Thanks to federal subsidies, the price of flood insurance, unlike homeowners’ insurance, does not reflect the real risks involved. Flood insurance subsidies ensure artificially low insurance rates, especially for the highest-risk properties. When big storms hit, taxpayers end up bailing out private owners. It is an expensive program. Today, the National Flood Insurance Program is $24 billion in debt to the Treasury Department. If, as multiple reports predict, climate change should lead to more floods, the costs will rise.

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Why did this happen? Consider the contradictions between the quick, bipartisan agreement over flood insurance subsidies and the contentious, year-after-year battles over the Affordable Care Act. After all, the Affordable Care Act has at its heart a large federal government system of subsidies for health insurance.

House Republicans have voted some 50 times to repeal the Affordable Care Act on the grounds that the federal government should not intervene in private insurance markets. They argue that taxpayers cannot afford to pay for health insurance subsidies and that giving below-cost health insurance to poor people creates incentives to use unnecessary health care. Yet these considerations go out the window when it comes to showering federal largesse on coastal homeowners.

Almost everything the enemies of Obamacare say about health insurance is actually true about flood insurance. Below-cost flood insurance creates incentives to build in dangerous areas, encourages risky decisions, restrains the private market unnecessarily, expands the federal government, and adds to the deficit.

It's good to see the GOP acknowledge global warming albeit the least efficient way possible. I can't believe this wasn't all over the news. :shh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2014, 08:03:46 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 19, 2014, 07:53:01 PM

Someone please take Benji back to the Heritage Foundation for repairs.

You're a Great American, Esch.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2014, 10:40:11 AM

Privatize the gains and socialize the losses, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 11:04:19 AM

I'd like to see a proposal for an "immediate" stimulus and how it would work. The one that passed was staggered to maximize effectiveness, and multiple shit was addressed (state governments including police/schools/etc, infrastructure jobs, etc). Would this one include all that stuff, plus...whatever immediate relief for individuals and families. Tax credits? Just handing people refund checks?

The immediate thing that comes to mind is that if the Bush administration made it clear there would be no bailout, the market would crash. Eh...but then again it had already crashed now that I think about it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 11:40:36 AM

I could imagine that passing after the election, but with a republican House in late 2008...interesting. They barely passed TARP, would House republicans support handing money to citizens?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2014, 11:51:21 AM

Letting those institutions fail would be catastrophic, unfortunately. The answer is "gradually roll back their ability to have their fucking tentacles in everything" by re-instituting some form of Glass-Steagall, getting all of these stupid new financial products under control, and THEN allow them to fail when doing so would no longer be a headshot for the economy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 12:07:23 PM

Ultimately I agree with Triumph though, there would be too much of a shitstorm in the markets and everything else. With respect to the vote I definitely think most democrats would vote for it, just based off the stimulus vote.

The problem would be that such a bill would have to be bigger than the <800b stimulus that passed in 2009. This was back when blue dog democrats and Blanche Lincoln still existed, so there would be some dem opposition but not nearly enough to prevent it from passing.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 12:11:40 PM

It's not just the bailout that preserved them, everything since then has been done to create larger banks with systematic risk.

The problem is that the banks and Treasury and the Fed presented a false choice while having all the leverage. Every account from everyone I've seen regarding those meetings McCain rushed back to was Bernake and Paulson and the bankers screaming THE SKY IS FALLING WE NEED MONEY and since elected officials are morons they said HOW MUCH?!?

And they didn't stop the failure, just stretched it out and delayed it, maybe exacerbated it for later. Which is the most important thing in politics, short term gain, long term we're all dead but our named bridges and legislation stand.

It's just like with the debt ceiling silliness, nothing happens when you hit it, there's no default. If the banks couldn't survive the losses from the toxic assets they had accrued why would you ever want to not just save those institutions but BACK the toxic assets and deliberately spread them all over the economy hoping even larger institutions can somehow manage them?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 12:14:35 PM

It's gonna be pretty funny (in a dark, depressing way) the next time they crash and we have to bail them out again while wondering what the fuck Dodd-Frank's "ending of too big to fail" was supposed to do.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2014, 12:28:47 PM

The ACTUAL PROBLEM is that everything that led up to the crisis in 2008 was legal. 100% legal. It's almost like letting commercial and investment banks mingle, removing moral hazard for loans you issue, and letting Wall St. do whatever they want in regards to new financial instruments is a bad idea or some shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 12:28:57 PM

Dodd-Frank was one of the biggest hoodwinks, I still can't believe some of the otherwise smarter progressives who fell for it and still do. Fuck, I know Marxists who do. As if Chris Dodd has ever been attached to anything against large capital interests.

And how did so few people realize the CFPB is just a clusterfuck like DHS instead of some kind of savior just because Elizabeth Warren backed it. "All these agencies failed independently, let's mash them together and give them more authority but less accountability!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 12:32:10 PM

*Mandark alert, Mandark alert*
:drudge

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 12:37:54 PM

smh, we start talking about banks and PD instantly thinks "we need a Jew"

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2014, 12:40:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 12:37:54 PM

smh, we start talking about banks and PD instantly thinks "we need a Jew"

You rang?

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 12:45:58 PM

:beli

Quote

Koch Brothers Group Fighting Detroit Bankruptcy Deal

LANSING, Mich. (AP) — Americans for Prosperity, the conservative advocacy group supported by the Koch brothers, has launched an effort to torpedo a proposed settlement in the Detroit bankruptcy case, potentially complicating chances for completing the deal just as its prospects seemed to be improving.

The organization, formed to fight big government and spending, is contacting 90,000 conservatives in Michigan and encouraging them to rally against a plan to provide $195 million in state money to help settle Detroit pension holders' claims in the case, a key element of the deal.

The group has threatened to run ads against members of the Republican-controlled Legislature who vote in favor of the appropriation before the state's August primary. An initial legislative vote may come this week.

Using public money for Detroit's case "is very toxic, especially to out-state and Republican, conservative-leaning individuals," said Scott Hagerstrom, director of the Americans for Prosperity's chapter in the state. "Even out-state Democrats, why send any more money to Detroit? Certainly other areas of the state have needs."

The group's move is a blow to Republican Gov. Rick Snyder, who proposed the state cash as a final ingredient to bring the 10-month-long bankruptcy case to a conclusion. Some creditors are fighting the "grand bargain," but it recently drew support from major retiree groups and unions. The bankruptcy court trial on the
city's case will be held this summer.

"This is a settlement. This not a bailout," Snyder said. "And I want to be very, very clear about that."

Ten-year-old Americans for Prosperity, which plans to spend at least $125 million nationally helping conservatives in the midterm elections, is becoming more active in state politics. Its willingness to spend millions for advertising has made it a powerful player in political contests.

Dave Doyle, a political strategist and former chairman of the Michigan Republican Party, said the organization's opposition could make a difference even though polling shows considerable public support for a settlement.

"What does have an impact is if they start spending a lot of money on TV and radio and doing mailings into people's districts. The threat of that would get some people to pay attention," he said.

Snyder, who took the lead in resolving Detroit's fiscal crisis by appointing an
emergency manager for the city's operations, proposed the $195 million to match commitments from private foundations. The money would limit pension cuts for the approximately 30,000 retirees and city workers to no more than 4.5 percent and avert the need to liquidate the Detroit Institute of Art's collection to raise money. Snyder and city leaders say the museum is important to rebuilding Detroit as a world-class city.

Despite the cost, "It would be more positive to get this behind us," Snyder said. "How many of us have traveled somewhere in the country or the world and had to listen about this bankruptcy?"

But the question is a tough sell for many Republicans, who blame the Democratic-dominated city's problems on corruption and overly powerful labor unions.

"I think every member of the Legislature wishes we weren't in this situation where we even have to consider it," said Rep. Robert VerHeulen, a Republican from conservative western Michigan.

VerHeulen said he worries about setting a bailout precedent if other cities fall
into financial ruin but also sees the value in settling to keep pensioners from suing.

Snyder, a computer company CEO and venture capitalist before he became governor in 2011, has a mixed record in lobbying the Legislature's more conservative Republicans. He persuaded just enough to support expanding Medicaid to more low-income adults yet failed to win legislative support for a state-run health insurance marketplace.

Republican House Speaker Jase Bolger has warned that the bills may not advance unless the city workers' unions agree to kick in some cash toward the settlement. Snyder must also persuade Democrats despite their unhappiness with his use of his executive powers to take over control of Detroit's finances.

Americans for Prosperity intends to turn up the heat on the Republicans, who hold 26 of the 38 seats in the Senate and 59 of 110 House districts.

"Tell Lansing politicians that Detroit has gotten enough of our tax dollars," the group says on a website created to oppose the aid. "More money can't fix Detroit."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/koch-brothers-group-fighting-detroit-bankruptcy-deal

I've often wondered why these groups don't spend more money targeting state politics. Seems way more effective than what they normally do - give losing state-wide senate candidates millions of dollars to run negative ads.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2014, 12:52:18 PM

Art Pope (a Koch protege) did just that in NC. He basically owns the state now, the Governor (that he paid to elect) even named him state budget director.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2014, 12:57:06 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 12:54:49 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2014, 12:28:47 PM

The ACTUAL PROBLEM is that everything that led up to the crisis in 2008 was legal. 100% legal.

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robo-signing scandal
racially predatory loans
faulty foreclosures

Symptoms of the larger problem- over leveraging, making loans to idiots that don't need them and not caring because you sold their loan to a 2nd idiot, betting that that final instrument would fail, etc.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 01:00:40 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 10:37:28 AM

To this day i'm still split on whether we should have let them tank or not.

no

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 01:01:45 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2014, 12:52:18 PM

Art Pope (a Koch protege) did just that in NC. He basically owns the state now, the Governor (that he paid to elect) even named him state budget director.

Yup it seems way more financially effective than what they normally do. Think about all that money wasted throwing shit at Obama in 2012, or the various senate races they lost big time.

They're currently wasting money here on the senate race, trying to destroy Gary Peters. It doesn't take a genius to know Michigan is GOP fools gold, like Pennsylvania: races look close until Detroit and Philly are counted.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 01:11:02 PM

It's more complicated than that. Yes they deserved to get fucked, but fucking them would fuck the global economy. I'm not willing to do that in order to "punish" banks. I'd rather do what Triumph suggested: make sure that the next time they pull this shit, they can be shitcanned without shitcanning everyone else.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 20, 2014, 01:11:18 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 01:00:40 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 10:37:28 AM

To this day i'm still split on whether we should have let them tank or not.

no

bububububu Iceland!

Of course you don't let them fail.  Jesus christ people.  Now we can debate how badly we fucked up in the aftermath reining them in, but come on brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2014, 01:14:26 PM

Preserve the bank, but jail the banker. I don't think an institution would fail because a few managers got incarcerated.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 01:19:45 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 20, 2014, 01:14:26 PM

Preserve the bank, but jail the banker. I don't think an institution would fail because a few managers got incarcerated.

But re-election campaign funds would :obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 01:23:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 01:11:02 PM

but fucking them would fuck the global economy. I'm not willing to do that in order to "punish" banks. I'd rather do what Triumph suggested: make sure that the next time they pull this shit, they can be shitcanned without shitcanning everyone else.

Don't worry, this time you got to punish everyone to kick the can down the road so next time you can bail them out again to kick the can farther.

I mean unless you're willing to sacrifice the global economy when that time comes. When all they need is just a little more money to tide things over until the next paycheck, they're clean, honest.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brob on May 20, 2014, 01:25:15 PM

http://mpra.ub.uni-muenchen.de/52384/1/MPRA_paper_52384.pdf

Branko Milanovic's review of Piketty's book is pretty good. I dunno if this was linked earlier when y'all were on it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 01:43:17 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/20/chris_matthews_the_prospect_of_hillary_becoming_a_truly_great_president.html

Quote

CHRIS MATTHEWS: Let me finish tonight with the prospect of Hillary Clinton becoming not just the next president but a truly great president. Let me be the first to say that the elements are there: her political positioning, her talents and personality, the desires of the electorate and the manifest needs of this country. First the political positioning. Hillary is a notch and a half, I'd say, to the right of President Obama on foreign policy. I consider that the sweet spot.

A little tough, a little more for American involvement than Obama, but not too much. Not over there with the Republicans and their neo-con allies who want us at constant war with whoever happens to be thumbing their nose at us.

Second, there are her talents: hard work, experience, a willingness to work with Republicans. Indeed, a real feel for the political world and how it works. If she weren't a candidate I'm sure a lot of Republicans would be saying this. It's an established fact that people who work with her like her. She is, to paraphrase an old adversary, more than likable enough.

Third, the American people have had it up to here with the national politics that argues incessantly and gets nothing done. This damn gridlock. They want a president who can crack through the ice of do-nothing government. Someone who can bring down the walls that divide the two parties which discourage them from working together for the country.

Look at the list of potential presidents in both parties and tell me someone else besides Hillary Clinton who has the track record she does to carry on in this front. Fourth, for this country to compete with China and the rest of the world in this looming century, we need to find a leader who will inspire trust, trust to rebuild America. Trust with the money to do it. Trust to rebuild our immigration policy. Trust to bring harmony and hope at home and true enforcement at the border. That too requires trust.

Getting elected president alongside a Republican Congress would simply mean more gridlock, more anger and more defeat of American optimism and another decade of lost ground against our global competition. In other words, more nothing. To me the only strategy for Hillary Clinton to follow is to come into office with enough power propelled by a sizable majority of the popular vote in the mid-50s, for example, so she can do what Roosevelt did in the '30s what, Johnson did in the mid '60s to really change America for the better.

Only strategy huh, well, no problem then.

And what about the trust to slow the rise of the oceans and heal the planet?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2014, 01:50:11 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 01:43:17 PM

Link

Good luck with that. There is a large part of the GOP that believe their way is God's way. There isn't any negotiating with God's way.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

They say it's about God, but those people aren't Christians.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 01:54:55 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 01:48:23 PM

If we're afraid of letting them fail because they're too essential to the economy, and we acknowledge that we'll  reach a point where we'll need to do this again, so......... Nationalize them? Geithner and them were talking about it.

Or we could just pass Glass-Steagall and once again separate commercial and investment banking.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 02:00:44 PM

There is systemic risk because bankers know the government will bail them out in the future.

Also, there is obesity because people know Medicare will pay for their health problems in the future.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 02:01:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 01:54:55 PM

Or we could just pass Glass-Steagall and once again separate commercial and investment banking.

What exactly would have been prevented?

Quote from: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 02:00:44 PM

There is systemic risk because bankers know the government will bail them out in the future.

The government backing them up just helps prevent the systemic risk from going away because there's no consequences for not avoiding it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 02:11:11 PM

Likewise there would be no crime if criminals knew they'd be executed.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 02:19:16 PM

Yup, and the HPV vaccine turns girls into sluts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 02:22:02 PM

Sluts aren't malinvestment.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 02:30:47 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 02:01:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 01:54:55 PM

Or we could just pass Glass-Steagall and once again separate commercial and investment banking.

What exactly would have been prevented?

No, I'm saying it would allow us to let the banks fail without putting the economy in peril. There would obviously be a market crash but at least regular people wouldn't lose their savings.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 02:36:56 PM

If people weren't guaranteed access to emergency room care, they wouldn't drive drunk.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2014, 02:45:04 PM

If there wasn't a minimum wage, we would all be making $30/hour.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 02:47:27 PM

Guys, are you picking up on my low opinion of simplistic narratives about moral hazard?  I wasn't sure if that was coming across.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 02:50:31 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 02:30:47 PM

No, I'm saying it would allow us to let the banks fail without putting the economy in peril. There would obviously be a market crash but at least regular people wouldn't lose their savings.

Hundreds of banks were allowed to fail. Why prop up certain banks by buying their shit assets or covering their losses instead of just potentially taking a bath via FDIC? I mean other than the obvious answer.

Quote from: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 02:36:56 PM

If people weren't guaranteed access to emergency room care, they wouldn't drive drunk.

These analogies would be more accurate if the "victims" in the first place were being given an endless supply of free alcohol and sports cars while being told they would be made whole or better by everyone else if anything bad went wrong as long as they claimed the world would end otherwise. Oh, plus instructions on driving while drunk. And encouragement to do so.

Or I suppose if they were a massive corporation with willing "public" servants who would help socialize the losses onto the actual victims.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 02:54:01 PM

you can buy endless alcohol with an EBT card tho
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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 20, 2014, 02:56:03 PM

I want to jump in and be a contrarian troll, but I can't even figure out what side everyone is on.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 20, 2014, 03:03:23 PM

Let me be restate my position then- Jaime Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein should be publicly executed. Did that clear things up?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 20, 2014, 03:05:45 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on May 20, 2014, 03:03:23 PM

Let me be restate my position then- Jaime Dimon and Lloyd Blankfein should be publicly executed. Did that clear things up?

You remember all the op-eds that were like "we should use this moment to fix the problem and not use the American justice simple for a show of revenge"?  And then neither of those things happened. 

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 03:06:17 PM

My position is that Ron Paul should have the only legal tender in the world in a huge vault with a dollar sign on it and he gives it out as he wants. And all other forms of currency are outlawed.

Except dogecoin.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 20, 2014, 03:08:10 PM

I know that you're trying to joke, but that's 100% the actual position of libertarians.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 03:20:26 PM

benj, you speaking from any particular knowledge of either the financial industry or the history of banking crises, or you just working from an intuitive understanding of incentives?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 20, 2014, 03:21:47 PM

The gay marriage ban in Pennsylvania was just struck down by this guy:

http://www.conservapedia.com/John_E._Jones_III (http://www.conservapedia.com/John_E._Jones_III)

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Judge Jones is a Republican judge from Pennsylvania, and was appointed by President George W. Bush[3] after being recommended by ultra-conservative and pro-life firebrand US Senator Rick Santorum.

Stay salty, Santorum

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 03:27:32 PM

Looks like he also ruled against the mandated teaching of creationism in public schools a few years ago, to boot.  Would he have had to be supported by both PA Senators in order to get confirmed?  I can never remember the rules for these home-state appointments.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 03:27:56 PM

I knew Santorum was a liberal false flag.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2014, 03:44:54 PM

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:whoo

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 03:56:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 03:20:26 PM

benj, you speaking from any particular knowledge of either the financial industry or the history of banking crises

What would you consider particular knowledge? I don't work or specialize in finance or banking if that's what you mean. (Nor am I Jewish.)

In any case, feel free to consider it intuitive since my argument is that if you have a whole bunch of ideas (that you might be getting incentive towards carrying out), being told to not worry about it going south because you'll be taken care of doesn't make you less likely to engage in those behaviors.

That essentially, in this instance, any smidgen of hesitance by the bad banks (since not all banks engaged in these things) was probably overwhelmed by the belief they could pull it off (with the backing they were getting) and that in the long odds they couldn't, it'd be worse case like with the Savings and Loans because of the size of the assets they were dealing with and who had oversight. Risk was essentially eliminated from corporate considerations because of policy.

And the evidence I've seen seems to confirm this because I dismiss anything that runs counter to my superior and unchanging viewpoint.

I don't consider it the source of the bad ideas though, no.

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 20, 2014, 03:08:10 PM

I know that you're trying to joke, but that's 100% the actual position of libertarians.

Mostly goldbugs and bitcoin fanatics unfortunately.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2014, 04:02:09 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 03:56:52 PM

being told to not worry about it going south because you'll be taken care of

When and how did this happen?  I haven't followed the reporting on the crisis run-up all that closely.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2014, 04:31:09 PM

I cut this in half when I realized I was rambling off weirdly, so apologies if it got disjointed.

It seems implicit in government policy over the last 80 years or so. I imagine it was made explicit at a personal level. "Ownership Society!" All the desire to boost liquidity and back almost everything in sight regarding homes. It seems to me that when everything started to fall apart all of the incentives were entirely political and that the bailouts and non-prosecutions are based on mutual CYA. The same basic series of events went on with the Savings and Loans in terms of being the best thing ever until they weren't and you suddenly had a bunch of worthless assets. (Only those were too small, local and regional to gain protection, stupid deregulation.)

If you want to make the claim that the government intervening more in the financial industry wasn't an explicit given so there was no moral hazard component, that's fine and I'll take the criticism. I just contend that when operating with assets of this claimed size it's at minimum an unwritten assumption that you fuck up, you're getting bailed out. There's too many incentives for the government. Especially when it's invested a shit load of money/pensions into the same instruments. (And invested human capital in the people of those institutions.)

Also fair to note that I do have a unorthodox view of the economic/financial system, but you and everyone else already knows that.

EDIT: This reads like I'm blaming the government. I want to make clear that I'm not doing so solely, merely that banks and corporations are going to do dumb shit like this, the government (since I "get a say") in my opinion shouldn't be helping out.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on May 20, 2014, 07:19:00 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 20, 2014, 10:37:28 AM

Hmmmm, I read through that Taibbi interview and here:

Quote

When people ask me what the solutions are to these problems, for me, the fastest shortcut to everything being cleaned up is disentangling the government from its unnatural support of these too-big-to-fail institutions, forcing them to sink or swim on their own in the real free market. I never would have imagined myself making that argument five or six years ago, but that’s the argument … These people, not only are they not being prosecuted, but they’re not subject to the normal forces of the market anymore, and in a way that enables them even more … If you were to force these companies to sink or swim on their own they’d be vaporized instantly.

Don't know about this. To this day i'm still split on whether we should have let them tank or not.

I am not an economist, but I would preferred to have them tank. All this horse shit about "don't regulate us! regulation is killing us!" and then where they've overreached and about to die, "save us! give us your moneys! we can't live without government moneys!" -- and these fucks have the gall to call out small-time unemployment/welfare players who account for what amount of tax money? Fffffuuuu....

The fact that these bankers not only avoided jail time but also managed to give themselves bonus checks made from tax money just makes me want to join a fucking militia which only targets bankers.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2014, 12:03:46 AM

Quote

    And in a surprising twist, the bill language specifies that only rural areas are to benefit in the future from funding requested by the administration this year to continue a modest summer demonstration program to help children from low-income households — both urban and rural — during those months when school meals are not available.

    Since 2010, the program has operated from an initial appropriation of $85 million, and the goal has been to test alternative approaches to distribute aid when schools are not in session. The White House asked for an additional $30 million to continue the effort, but the House bill provides $27 million for what’s described as an entirely new pilot program focused on rural areas only.

    Democrats were surprised to see urban children were excluded. And the GOP had some trouble explaining the history itself. But a spokeswoman confirmed that the intent of the bill is a pilot project in “rural areas” only.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/wtf--15

posted with no comment

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 12:11:32 AM

Quote

In the case of WIC and white potatoes, the provision follows on strong lobbying by the industry which is hoping to win similar language Thursday when the full Senate Appropriations Committee is slated to consider its own version of the same agriculture bill.

The dollars at stake are less important than the prestige of being judged qualified for WIC, which is considered the premier nutrition program for the government.

For the industry, concerned that younger women have moved away from potatoes, gaining access to WIC is an important marketing tool. Just as strongly, critics worry that the end result will be to open the door to other special interests and wreck a long-standing commitment by Congress to let independent scientists decide what foods are most needed.

lol at that last sentence. This is the same body that started major nutrition policy based in part on the fad diet of a Senator's wife.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 21, 2014, 05:16:08 AM

I've seen people blame things like the fed lowering interest rates and regulators for not keeping an eye on Wall Street shenanigans (this one is particularly amusing when it comes from conservatives), but wasn't the real problem that led to the financial crash the fact that banks were intentionally looking for people to sell mortgages to, even if they couldn't pay them back? And in many cases, didn't banks swindle those very same people, trying to encourage them to buying sub-prime mortgages? And then didn't they actually bet in the hopes that those very same sub-prime mortgages would fail?!

Assuming all of that is true, isn't it pretty clear that the blame for the financial crisis lies mostly with Wall Street?


edit: this video's pretty accurate, no?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bx_LWm6_6tA

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 09:08:04 AM

1. Shove out as many loans as possible, even if the people getting the loans won't be able to pay them back
2. Bundle the bad loans with good loans and then scam people into buying the resulting financial instrument
3. Buy insurance against the loans failing
4. Suck up all those sweet government dollars when everything inevitably collapses

That's basically what happened.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 10:01:43 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 09:08:04 AM

2. Bundle the bad loans with good loans and then sell the resulting financial instrument to people who don't realize the risk

I think this one might be better with something along the lines of "while the risk was obscured" with the neutral and passive phrasing to not indict everyone.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2014, 10:14:44 AM

They also jacked up interest rates on variable rate loans to the point where people couldn't afford the payments and defaulted.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 10:14:52 AM

Well, actually, a lot of people had some of the same level of real estate success as he's had...  :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2014, 10:15:13 AM

Go bankrupt like Donald Trump, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 21, 2014, 12:00:15 PM

Inherit your father's fortune like Donald Trump, brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 21, 2014, 12:09:18 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 09:08:04 AM

1. Shove out as many loans as possible, even if the people getting the loans won't be able to pay them back
2. Bundle the bad loans with good loans and then scam people into buying the resulting financial instrument
3. Buy insurance against the loans failing
4. Suck up all those sweet government dollars when everything inevitably collapses

That's basically what happened.

This is missing the very crucial step where the bundles of bad loans were then re-bundled into larger securities to ensure triple A ratings and making it much difficult to detremine exactly what the securities were comprised of.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2014, 12:12:14 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 21, 2014, 12:09:18 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 09:08:04 AM

1. Shove out as many loans as possible, even if the people getting the loans won't be able to pay them back
2. Bundle the bad loans with good loans and then scam people into buying the resulting financial instrument
3. Buy insurance against the loans failing
4. Suck up all those sweet government dollars when everything inevitably collapses

That's basically what happened.

This is missing the very crucial step where the bundles of bad loans were then re-bundled into larger securities to ensure triple A ratings and making it much difficult to detremine exactly what the securities were comprised of.

sort of like those free games that are bundled with budget GPUs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 21, 2014, 01:52:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2014, 12:12:14 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 21, 2014, 12:09:18 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 09:08:04 AM

1. Shove out as many loans as possible, even if the people getting the loans won't be able to pay them back
2. Bundle the bad loans with good loans and then scam people into buying the resulting financial instrument
3. Buy insurance against the loans failing
4. Suck up all those sweet government dollars when everything inevitably collapses

That's basically what happened.

This is missing the very crucial step where the bundles of bad loans were then re-bundled into larger securities to ensure triple A ratings and making it much difficult to detremine exactly what the securities were comprised of.

sort of like those free games that are bundled with budget GPUs.

Or shitty indie humble bundles masquerading as actual games  :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 02:29:21 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-5-democrats-benghazi-committee

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Wednesday named 5 Democrats to the GOP-led select committee on Benghazi, announcing that her party will fully participate in the investigation.

The members:

Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD), Ranking Member, Committee on Oversight & Government Reform
Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA), Ranking Member, Armed Services Committee
Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), Committee on Appropriations (Subcommittee on State & Foreign Operations), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Rep. Linda T. Sanchez (D-CA), Committee on Ways and Means (Subcommittee on Oversight)
Rep. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), Armed Services Committee, Committee on Oversight & Government Reform

All aboard the impeachment train! Toot-toot!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Cummings and Duckworth are good picks, though, they're not the types who will just lie down quietly and get steamrolled.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 02:31:47 PM

You guys ever go to a comic show and get a big sealed bag of random comics for like two bucks or whatever?

Used to get those as a kid at the twice yearly local shin-dig. Wound up with a whole shit load of 1960s era Batman issues. And somehow what seems like almost the entire run of the Alien Nation comic. And even more unbelievable garbage.

What I'm saying is why would you want to take away the joy of someone purchasing a package of securities and not knowing what's inside?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 02:34:34 PM

What if you opened the sealed bag of random comics and instead of comics there was a live scorpion inside?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 02:36:23 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 02:34:34 PM

What if you opened the sealed bag of random comics and instead of comics there was a live scorpion inside?

Free pet. And one you can use against your enemies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2014, 03:34:08 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 02:34:34 PM

What if you opened the sealed bag of random comics and instead of comics there was a live scorpion inside?

Sometimes, you get the scorpion.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 02:29:21 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/the-5-democrats-benghazi-committee

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) on Wednesday named 5 Democrats to the GOP-led select committee on Benghazi, announcing that her party will fully participate in the investigation.

The members:

Rep. Elijah E. Cummings (D-MD), Ranking Member, Committee on Oversight & Government Reform
Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA), Ranking Member, Armed Services Committee
Rep. Adam B. Schiff (D-CA), Committee on Appropriations (Subcommittee on State & Foreign Operations), Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence
Rep. Linda T. Sanchez (D-CA), Committee on Ways and Means (Subcommittee on Oversight)
Rep. Tammy Duckworth (D-IL), Armed Services Committee, Committee on Oversight & Government Reform

All aboard the impeachment train! Toot-toot!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Cummings and Duckworth are good picks, though, they're not the types who will just lie down quietly and get steamrolled.

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Awww, no Alan Grayson?  :pacspit

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 03:38:10 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 21, 2014, 03:34:08 PM

Awww, no Alan Grayson?  :pacspit

Maybe they want to be patriots and actually get to the bottom of things instead of turning this affair into a three ring circus?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2014, 03:40:27 PM

I'd think he'd add a lot of clarity to the circus.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 04:34:03 PM

I'm not politically savvy enough to know whether that would have been a good idea or not, but at least they're committing to a choice and not trying to have it both ways.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 04:47:25 PM

The real danger for the Democrats is once their members see the damning evidence they might reject their willful blindness to the crimes and start a bipartisan drive for not just impeachment but criminal charges.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2014, 05:00:55 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2014, 06:20:06 PM

Quote

Megyn Kelly Gives Dinesh D'Souza The Friendliest Of Post-Guilty Plea Interviews

Just hours after pleading guilty in federal court Tuesday to violating campaign finance law, conservative author Dinesh D'Souza appeared on Megyn Kelly's Fox News show for an interview.

It was a friendly affair.

"And so now, this case is resolved, for today, and the Obama administration gets to call one of its top critics a convicted felon," Kelly said near the beginning of the segment, which led to her first question: "Is this what they wanted all along?"

"I don't know," D'Souza replied. "I was facing two charges, Megan. The first one was exceeding the campaign finance limits. The second one was causing the government, the election commission, to file a false report. And that second charge carried a maximum of five years in prison. So what happened is I pleaded guilty to the charge of exceeding the campaign finance limits, and the government agreed to drop the other charge."

In court on Tuesday, D'Souza had said that he "deeply" regretted using straw donors to contribute $20,000 to the campaign of Wendy Long, a Republican attorney and old friend of D'Souza's who in 2012 lost to Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY). As Kelly pointed out to D'Souza Tuesday night, there was "never really any doubt that you did it."

"You're defense in this case was not, 'I didn't do it,'" Kelly said. "It was, 'I didn't do it with any intent, I didn't do it with the right requisite state of mind, and it's selective prosecution by the government, who doesn't go after anybody for this kind of crime, except coincidentally one of the president's biggest critics. But the judge didn't allow you to bring that defense."

D'Souza agreed. He said it was "remarkable" to see the campaign finances cases that "do and don't get pressed." Finally, Kelly asked him: "why'd you do it?"

"My longtime friend, Wendy Long, I've known her for 30 years, and she was running for the Senate in New York," D'Souza said. "Her campaign was absolutely flailing, and I wanted to help her. And so I just chose the wrong and stupid way to do it. I shouldn't have done it. And I'm taking responsibility for it."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dinesh-dsouza-megyn-kelly-interview
 :lol

Dude sounds legit shook. But then again I would be too if I was facing 5 years in jail.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2014, 07:15:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2014, 06:20:06 PM

Dude sounds legit shook. But then again I would be too if I was facing 5 years in jail.

(http://i.imgur.com/Tu5ZxK0.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 07:27:20 PM

Now see, I think I buy his argument. He wasn't in the right state of mind. Look at the evidence, his movies, but more importantly look at the fact he worked so hard to give $20,000 to a GOP candidate (1) for Senate in New York (2) who was down like 40 points (3).

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 07:30:45 PM

47%? Another Pyrrhic victory for Mitt Romney.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 21, 2014, 07:38:49 PM

Does this mean I shouldn't have trusted d'Souza on the Fliptree?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWJ-6VCoRVg

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2014, 08:08:52 PM

Looks like the homosexualist bullies are winning in their campaign of fear:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/sex-marriage-support-reaches-new-high.aspx (http://www.gallup.com/poll/169640/sex-marriage-support-reaches-new-high.aspx)

(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/y0ffodnhgeejsgoevfw40w.png)

Children being harmed the most:
(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/tbpelkodp0spw8exj7rmuw.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 21, 2014, 09:19:23 PM

Dat gay agenda.  :noah

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2014, 10:03:24 PM

Moral Minority  :goty2

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 21, 2014, 10:17:36 PM

Someone should try to locate Maggie Gallagher, cause I'm pretty sure she's killing herself right now.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2014, 10:21:13 PM

Quote from: http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Gay-marriage-foe-Maggie-Gallagher-admits-fight-5447382.php

Maggie Gallagher, a founder and former president of the National Organization for Marriage, a group dedicated to opposing marriage by gays and lesbians, conceded in a post on her blog that those resisting same-sex marriages "are in shock, they are awed by the powers now shutting down the debate and by our ineffectualness at responding to these developments."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2014, 10:21:41 PM

So how long until the Supreme Court puts marriage on that Summer Jam screen and legalizes it everywhere.
:whew

If we continue going state by state we'll have a situation similar to what happened with interracial marriage: everyone but some degenerate southern states jumping on board with reality.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 22, 2014, 12:51:19 AM

Hopefully James O'Keefe becomes D'Souza's cell mate:

Quote

Filmmakers who were targets of an undercover sting operation by James O'Keefe have filed a criminal complaint with police and have asked the FBI to determine whether federal laws were broken when the journalist surreptitiously recorded phone calls and a lunch meeting, a spokesman for movie producers Josh and Rebecca Tickell said Wednesday.
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"I can confirm that this matter has been reported to federal and local law enforcement for investigation of whether certain state and federal laws were violated," said Jonathan Franks, a managing partner at Lucid Public Relations.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fbi-urged-investigate-james-okeefes-706353

You'd think this idiot would have learned his lesson when his last wiretapping effort didn't end according to plan.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2014, 12:55:26 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 22, 2014, 12:51:19 AM

Hopefully James O'Keefe becomes D'Souza's cell mate:

Quote

Filmmakers who were targets of an undercover sting operation by James O'Keefe have filed a criminal complaint with police and have asked the FBI to determine whether federal laws were broken when the journalist surreptitiously recorded phone calls and a lunch meeting, a spokesman for movie producers Josh and Rebecca Tickell said Wednesday.
RECOMMENDED

"I can confirm that this matter has been reported to federal and local law enforcement for investigation of whether certain state and federal laws were violated," said Jonathan Franks, a managing partner at Lucid Public Relations.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/fbi-urged-investigate-james-okeefes-706353

You'd think this idiot would have learned his lesson when his last wiretapping effort didn't end according to plan.

Quote

When reached at the Cannes Film Festival on Wednesday, O'Keefe responded: "I have never attempted to contact the Tickells. This is a complete fabrication on their part and a sad commentary on their willingness to make baseless and unfounded allegations in an attempt to deflect the story away from their own actions."

roflmao

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 02:23:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RL8jgfCbniI
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/21/1301047/-Why-I-m-Running

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2014, 12:54:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZR1CvSQntE

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2014, 01:31:02 PM

It's gotta suck knowing you'll never get to do a new scripted or controlled casual walk outside ever again, and that you can't drive yourself anywhere. I read that Malia is going to get her driver's license this year but Secret Service won't let Obama teach her.  :-\

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2014, 01:46:30 PM

Yeah, it's like...you wanna go for a twenty minute stroll around the park? Okay, but you gotta go with 30 other guys carrying machine pistols.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2014, 02:01:38 PM

Quote

President Barack Obama took an impromptu stroll Wednesday along the National Mall, and some bystanders freaked out at the prospect of meeting their commander in chief.

"It's good to be out," Obama quipped to reporters. "The bear is loose."

we need an :andrewsullivan smiley.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 22, 2014, 02:30:53 PM

Is this the first sign that the GOP is finally ready to stand up to the NRA?

Quote

A Republican congressman from Louisiana this week blasted an environmental activist who submitted photos of leaking oil pipes that had been repaired with garbage bags and duct tape.

At a Tuesday hearing of the House Natural Resources Subcommittee on Fisheries, Wildlife, Oceans and Insular Affairs, Noah Matson, vice president of Defenders of Wildlife, said that existing one-paragraph regulations were inadequate for protecting the National Wildlife Refuge System.

To make his point, he presented a slideshow, including photos of oil pipes that had been covered with duct take and garbage bags at refuges in Louisiana.

Louisiana Rep. Vance McAllister (R) accused Matson of throwing a “fit” just because “some guy took initiative.”

“You took a picture of someone who was innovative, and rather than leaving the fluid to drip on the ground, repaired it with duct tape and a garbage bag, and yet you seem to be very upset about that,” McAllister said. “We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.”

“We take a garbage bag and fix it and keep it from leaking and yet you’re still not happy, and come to Washington and testify before Congress and want to throw fits because some guy took initiative.”

Matson pointed out that he had photos that showed a garbage bag repair from a year earlier, and no one had ever come back to complete the repair.

“Anybody can come there, a storm can come, it can puncture the garbage bag, and there’s a spill,” Matson explained. “Done.”

“Could have, should have, would have. It didn’t,” McAllister shrugged. “I understand you’re wanting to protect wildlife, and look, I love the great outdoors, and I live in Louisiana, a sportsman’s paradise, and I love it too. But I’m not for giving ducks and deer weapons to shoot back at me.”

“But it just aggravates me that the body of Congress would be wasted with someone coming up and taking picture of something that shows that is is fixed,” he continued. “It may not be fixed the way you want it. It may not be used by these high-dollar couplings and aluminum-brass thread — whatever you want put on them. But it’s fixed. And it’s not leaking.”

“And that’s what you want to turn your testimony into is some pictures portraying the innovation of what America is.”

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Actually this part is just as good

Quote

To make his point, he presented a slideshow, including photos of oil pipes that had been covered with duct take and garbage bags at refuges in Louisiana.

Louisiana Rep. Vance McAllister (R) accused Matson of throwing a “fit” just because “some guy took initiative.”

...

“And that’s what you want to turn your testimony into is some pictures portraying the innovation of what America is.”

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 22, 2014, 02:36:09 PM

Do a shit job and call it innovation, brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2014, 02:42:37 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 22, 2014, 02:36:09 PM

Do a shit job and call it innovation, brehs

 :miyamoto

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2014, 02:56:52 PM

The Onion only wishes it could write something that good.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2014, 03:02:45 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 22, 2014, 03:01:00 PM

McGuyver out here repairing oil lines :whew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKTNWI0eYJ4

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 22, 2014, 07:18:28 PM

http://wonkette.com/549857/california-wildfire-victim-pretty-sure-he-was-targeted-by-wildfire-thanks-obama (http://wonkette.com/549857/california-wildfire-victim-pretty-sure-he-was-targeted-by-wildfire-thanks-obama)

The pieces are starting to come together.  I wonder what #benghazi evidence was in the burned house? #bringbackourcountry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 07:29:21 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 22, 2014, 07:15:11 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/21/banks-mexican-drug-cartels-sec-merrill-schwab_n_5367841.html?utm_hp_ref=business

looks like our faith in bankers to do the right thing is justified

(http://i.minus.com/ibflHfnKCTzi97.gif)

Why shouldn't banks be allowed to transact with legitimate businessmen?

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2014, 07:36:27 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 22, 2014, 07:15:11 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/21/banks-mexican-drug-cartels-sec-merrill-schwab_n_5367841.html?utm_hp_ref=business

looks like our faith in bankers to do the right thing is justified

(http://i.minus.com/ibflHfnKCTzi97.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vT8OU5WtfkQ

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 22, 2014, 08:42:48 PM

Quote from: Mitch McConnell

I think that if you were to ask any Republican in Washington which group of Americans stands to benefit most from the ideas and ideals of our party, they’d respond without hesitation that it’s the American middle class, and that any suggestion to the contrary is based on a cheap and dishonest caricature. And yet, I think it must also be admitted that in our rush to defend the American entrepreneur from the daily depredations of an administration that seems to view any profit-making enterprise with deep suspicion – that we have often lost sight of the fact that our average voter is not John Galt. It’s a good impulse, to be sure. But for most Americans, whose daily concerns revolve around aging parents, long commutes, shrinking budgets, and obscenely high tuition bills, these hymns to entrepreneurialism are, as a practical matter, largely irrelevant. And the audience for them is probably a lot smaller than we think.

So what's the solution in this new shift to focus on the middle class instead of the job creators? Why, more tax cuts for the jobs creators, of course!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2014, 10:18:12 PM

The thing about tax cuts is that eventually you can't cut taxes anymore.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 10:51:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MlUtZ5F_Mk

 :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 10:54:06 PM

BENGHAZI BOMBSHELL
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2014/05/white-house-contacted-youtube-during-benghazi-attack-darrell-issa-says/

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A still-classified State Department e-mail says that one of the first responses from the White House to the Benghazi attack was to contact YouTube to warn of the “ramifications” of allowing the posting of an anti-Islamic video, according to Rep. Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

The memo suggests that even as the attack was still underway — and before the CIA began the process of compiling talking points on its analysis of what happened — the White House believed it was in retaliation for a controversial video.

The subject line of the e-mail, which was sent at 9:11 p.m. Eastern Time on the night of the attack, is “Update on Response to actions – Libya.” The e-mail was written hours before the attack was over.

Issa has asked the White House to declassify and release the document. In the meantime he has inserted a sentence from the e-mail in the Congressional Record.

“White House is reaching out to U-Tube [sic] to advice ramification of the posting of the Pastor Jon video,” the e-mail reads, according to Issa.

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“The e-mail shows the White House had hurried to settle on a false narrative — one at odds with the conclusions reached by those on the ground — before Americans were even out of harm’s way or the intelligence community had made an impartial examination of available evidence,” Issa said.

Issa is calling on the White House to release an unclassified version of the document.
 
“While the information I have cited from this e-mail is clearly unclassified, the State Department has attempted to obstruct its disclosure by not providing Congress with an unclassified copy of this document,” Issa said.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2014, 11:03:53 PM

:yeshrug

Since when is sticking to your story=lying lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2014, 11:44:36 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 10:54:06 PM

BENGHAZI BOMBSHELL

A bombshell that was widely reported just a few days after the attack. :lol

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/05/22/jonathan-karls-latest-benghazi-scoop-was-report/199433

But the fact that the Obama administration reached out to YouTube due to the attack is no revelation. In fact, on September 14, 2012, Karl's then-colleague Jake Tapper reported on ABC's World News, "one other development today, the National Security Council here at the White House has reached out to YouTube to find out if their posting of that anti-Muslim film violates the terms of use."

The same day, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney was quoted by ABC News saying that "We reached out to YouTube to call the video to their attention and ask them to review whether it violates their terms of use."

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2014, 11:47:57 PM

But now we know that the administration knew that it was contacting YouTube.

What we still don't know is what did the President know, when did he know it and how did he know that he knew it?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on May 23, 2014, 12:04:33 AM

you guys were talking about the economic collapse the last page and Jon Stewart has a 40 minute interview with Timothy Geithner (the former Secretary of the Treasury) where he basically rips him a new asshole several times and generally gives you a very good overview of both sides of the "should we/shouldn't we have bailed out the banks" argument. watch it here. (http://thedailyshow.cc.com/extended-interviews/z9b8f1/timothy-geithner-extended-interview) and for chrissakes use adblock.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2014, 02:52:23 AM

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/allen-west-doubts-tammy-duckworths-loyalty-country-angry-about-democratic-picks-benghazi-spe

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Former congressman Allen West is angry about the Democratic picks for the latest House panel investigating the 2012 Benghazi attack. Speaking yesterday with Janet Mefferd, West criticized Elijah Cummings, Adam Smith, Adam Schiff, Linda Sanchez and Tammy Duckworth, the Democratic lawmakers picked to fill the party’s five slots on the 12-member GOP-led “special committee.”

West especially raised doubts about Duckworth, a veteran who lost both of her legs and the use of her right arm in the Iraq War, raising suspicions about her loyalty to the country.

“Tammy Duckworth, you know I just don’t know where her loyalties lie, for her to have been a veteran and a wounded warrior for the United States Army, she should know that this is not the right thing and hopefully she will remember the oath of office that she took as an Army officer and not the allegiance I guess she believes she has to the liberal progressives of the Democrat [sic] party,” West said.

:american

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 23, 2014, 08:47:18 AM

blublublu obummer is lawless

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 23, 2014, 11:34:22 AM

I don't even:

http://thebaffler.com/blog/2014/05/mouthbreathing_machiavellis (http://thebaffler.com/blog/2014/05/mouthbreathing_machiavellis)

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As might be expected of a “DIY ideology . . . designed by geeks for other geeks,” his political treatises are heavily informed by the works of J.R.R. Tolkien and George Lucas.

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“If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia,” Yarvin said in his talk. He conceded that, given the current political divisions, it might be better to have two dictators, one for Red Staters and one for Blue Staters. The trick would be to “make sure they work together.” (Sure. Easy!)

“There’s really no other solution,” Yarvin concluded. The crowd applauded.

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Moldbug is the widely acknowledged lodestar of the movement, but he’s not the only leading figure. Another is Nick Land, a British former academic now living in Shanghai, where he writes admiringly of Chinese eugenics and the impending global reign of “autistic nerds, who alone are capable of participating effectively in the advanced technological processes that characterize the emerging economy.”

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As I soldiered through the Moldbug canon, my reactions numbed. Here he is expressing sympathy for poor, persecuted Senator Joe McCarthy. Big surprise. Here he claims “America is a communist country.” Sure, whatever. Here he doubts that Barack Obama ever attended Columbia University. You don’t say? After a while, Yarvin’s blog feels like the pseudo-intellectual equivalent of a Gwar concert, one sick stunt after another, calculated to shock. To express revulsion and disapproval is to grant the attention he so transparently craves.

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2014, 12:18:39 PM

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As best I can tell, their ideal society best resembles Blade Runner, but without all those Asian people cluttering up the streets.

 :deadpos

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 23, 2014, 09:29:51 PM

Man, I so hope this guy runs for president: (http://www.readingisforsnobs.com/2014/05/welfare-recipient-ben-carson-complains.html)

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When you rob someone of their incentive to go out there and improve themselves, you are not doing them any favors. When you take somebody and pat them on the head and say, ‘There, there, you poor little thing. … Let me give you housing subsidies, let me give you free health care because you can’t do that.’ What would be much more empowering is to use our intellect and our resources to give those people a way up and out.”

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No doubt, Mother Carson deserves tremendous credit, but – in the words of a political sound bite from the last presidential election – she didn’t do it alone. Carson, in his book, tells how his grades improved tremendously when a government program provided him with free eyeglasses because he could barely see. Not only that, in “Gifted Hands” we read this nugget: “By the time I reached ninth grade, mother had made such strides that she received nothing but food stamps. She couldn’t have provided for us and kept up the house without that subsidy.”

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It’s hard not to see Carson’s own upbringing coming into view here. He grew up in meager surroundings in Detroit and Boston, in a family that made use of public assistance programs like food stamps. The culture was different then, Carson insists. “I think there was a time when people were not proud of taking handouts,” he said. “There were more people who did have that drive and determination. You do what you have to do."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8Up5MpLczE

:usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 23, 2014, 09:38:56 PM

Kick the ladder away after you make it, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 23, 2014, 10:03:36 PM

It's not mooching if it's done by a Republican.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 23, 2014, 10:13:25 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 23, 2014, 10:03:36 PM

It's not mooching if it's done by a Republican white person.

fixed

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2014, 10:17:43 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 23, 2014, 10:13:25 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 23, 2014, 10:03:36 PM

It's not mooching if it's done by a Republican white person.

fixed

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Feltner sits in a plastic chair outside his ramshackle mobile home, surrounded by rusty cars and car parts. He has no television.

People around here, he says, are "just surviving, barely. I know, because I'm one of them."

A victim of two heart attacks, he lives off disability checks, and $105 a month in government food stamps.

Feltner voted for a previous Democratic president, Bill Clinton, but now says: "I will vote for anybody against Obama.

"I don't care who runs against him, I'll vote for him. I don't care if it's a Democrat, a Republican, an Indian, a Pakistani, even a Frenchman!"

http://news.yahoo.com/poor-kentucky-no-stomach-obama-153854246.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2014, 11:40:06 PM

Even Canadian-Socialist Ted Cruz?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2014, 11:52:50 PM

That's why blog posts>books. At least you get to "update" your original post, which in this case would be deletion followed by "whoops my bad bros, I fucked up"

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2014, 11:58:55 PM

Welp, glad that's been debunked so we can keep giving money to rich people, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2014, 12:04:01 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2014, 11:52:50 PM

That's why blog posts>books. At least you get to "update" your original post, which in this case would be deletion followed by "whoops my bad bros, I fucked up" "this only strengthens the core of my argument"

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 12:58:23 AM

Quote from: Esch on May 25, 2014, 11:11:02 PM

Looks like me and Mandark suspecting a possible Reinhart-Rogoff might be right (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/QbadP.png)

Looks more like you're wrong:

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gammarepeater | May 23 7:06pm | Permalink
I just bought the book in Kindle last week...fml

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Jimmy Gatts | May 23 7:15pm | Permalink
I can only think of the Koch Brothers who would reduce Piketty to a "hero of the left"

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Paul Jorion | May 23 7:35pm | Permalink
Surprise! Surprise! The FT has found out that contrary to Piketty's assertions - although uncontested for the past fifteen years - the rich are actually poor and the poor actually rich. The evidence we're told will be soon out!

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Fairly Accurate | May 23 9:17pm | Permalink
Piketty's response links to work that seems to show that wealth inequality in the US is actually worse than he said in his book. Your article doesn't address that point at all, which is odd as it seems to undermine your whole thesis. Or am I reading things the wrong way?

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F.W. Abagnale | May 23 9:39pm | Permalink
There will always be critics to any work that is published, particular if its findings are as controversial, fundamental and important as Piketty's. The man has devoted the best part of his life to his academic work, and his thesis is undermined not only by the specific numbers, but also by years of experience and qualitative research. Any methodology can be criticized in a number of ways and will be harshly criticized by readers who disagree with a thesis not necessarily on methodological, but on substantive or ideological grounds - Piketty's thesis is unpopular among an elite which benefitted from economic growth at the expense of three quarters of the European population. Of course he will be criticized, and of course there will be skeptics such as Mr. Giles who find mistakes in his methodology. However, it is crucial not to dismiss his thesis altogether, but to have a constructive debate first about the validity of his conclusions, and then about the implications of these conclusions. Other researchers may correct the data and complement Piketty's findings - until they convincingly do so, however, dismissing his findings would be a mistake in itself.

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schaetzl | May 23 9:49pm | Permalink
Allow me to pick the starting and end points of any data series and I can show the that down is up or up is down. Simple statistics. And does anyone really believe that there has been no increase in inequality during the past ten or twenty years. Of course not. Piketty has started with the first credible data available and ended just prior to publication. Thats the way science is done with integrity. Chris Giles and the FT should be embarrassed.

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londoned | May 23 11:12pm | Permalink
Pretty thin article making some pretty substantial claims without any evidence. Not like the FT at all. If you are going to headline in this way you had better have some pretty substantial counter data. Piketty throughout goes to great pains to show his assumptions, his data and links back to his work sheets. He does not claim to have said the last word on the subject and you don't need Piketty's data to see that this is fairly nonsensical: "The investigation undercuts this claim, indicating there is little evidence in Prof Piketty’s original sources to bear out the thesis that an increasing share of total wealth is held by the richest few."

If you think that simply publish your alternative statistics and have a proper discussion. Until then save your simplistic headlines.

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Cuvtixo | May 23 11:21pm | Permalink
@Iondoned Do you think maybe the writer Chris Giles has a political agenda? I'm sure that those who do have the most incentive to write articles criticizing Piketty's book, whether on reasonable, legitimate grounds or not. FT is sadly not immune to editorializing disguised as reporting, although they are better than most. (in particular better than American news media)

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WesteringHo | May 23 11:26pm | Permalink
Agreed londoned - these are serious consequential allegations. The FT had better lay out in detail which tables and calculations are alleged to be wrong and what portion of the total data does this impact. As it stands little real information is given

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Michael Dee | May 24 12:39am | Permalink
Oh dear God, have all the FT editors gone missing in a plane crash, are they recovering from an inebriated weekend, have the inmates taken over the asylum, has the National Enquirer taken over the FT? This article is beyond the pale for sketchy unsupported reporting. And then to so blatantly show partisan political bias in labeling the book in effect a fraudulent political bible of the left. This article should be a case study in editing 101 of what not to let out into the pink sheet. When someone puts up an effort such as Capital they are due some respectful reporting by an esteemed daily journal such as the FT. A very serious charge has been leveled by Mr Chris Giles and I suggest he show more back up for his claimed thesis. And let's also hear from his editor.

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Pbarnett | May 24 12:48am | Permalink
Picketty's response letter is far more substantive, honest and useful than the FT article itself with lacks any real detail and does smack of sensationalism rather than robust journalism. I am sure we will not have hear the last of this from either side and I look forward to reading what now transpires. It certainly makes me interested in reading the book now too.

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Michael Dee | May 24 3:39am | Permalink
@Funnymoney

I have read the article and found it unconvincing to unravel the thesis presented in Capital. The Fat Fingers transcription accusation represents a small change in 1920's data which hardly is material. The UK data is interesting and the author should respond specifically to this. However let me go a bit deeper as to the editing issue here. When issue are found I expect two things to happen; first I would like to hear more about how and who the fact checking was done by. Were outside parties involved? Was this Mr Giles at home at night after dinner? Were think tanks or academics involved? This is essential as we know that special interests routinely sponsor research to sow doubt in analysis which threatens special interests. Climate change, tracking etc are recent examples. So Mr Giles and his editors owe readers a more complete explanation. Second, was the author of Capital provided the full rebuttal with time to respond? Readers should expect that authors of works such as Capita who are to be commended for providing all their data to the market to have been given adequate time to respond in fact and in detail. Finally I will say this is a serious work and not some pop-economics and thus the FT and other journals read by serious people should be better edited and processed. Why no third party analysis of Mr Giles claims. I'm sure Mr Krugman and others would have been worthy of peer review of the charges leveled. I continue to consider the fT's editing of this story to be sloppy...could it be because Mr Giles was in fact the editor?

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Dr A | May 24 10:48am | Permalink
If we take a step back, rather than try fall in the trap of trying to to pick winners and losers; who is right and who is wrong, who is truthful and who has manipulated data to his own ends, we need to be aware of a few things:
- There is no objective truth in statistics. All, including Mr Giles, statistical analysis, is subject to the assumptions and methods it chooses. This became very clear in the aftermath of the failure of the possibly biggest concentration of statistical analysis resources the world has ever seen...the financial sector during the buildup to 2008. In retrospect it is obvious that the assumptions and inherent desires to prove something is where objectivity is lost. Which leads to the second problem
- The "nice party" effect. How can it be that scientific research is increasing significantly on any new "hot" topic while at the same time scientists are ignoring other, less glamorous or contradicting areas of study? Is not the very choice of what and how to study the reason behind the reason why there is so much "supporting evidence" for any thesis or idea that is "hot"? When, again, looking at the financial industry as an example, the ratio of papers supposedly objectively examining but in reality cheering for new and hot phenomena is overwhelming. Remember all the scientific gurus providing academic evidence for the internet revolution, the Goldilocks economy, the victory of the capitalistic system over all others etc. etc.
- The career enhancement headline effect. When a new guru, like Professor Piketty, is on the rise, what better way to get to a place in the lime light than to challenge that guru. To build own independent research is so much more work and the outcome is so much more uncertain than to cry out that the emperor is naked. Besides, who is going to challenge the challenger?
Conclusion?
Professor Piketty has tapped into a rich vein of discontent of many people whose intuitive feel for how their world is developing coincides with his scientific "proof". Because it is only a feeling and not built on real scientific research, it cannot be the base for any serious discussion. But be aware! all the scientists and journalists are doing in this debate as in so many others, is to try to grab a place in the sun! And that goes in equal measure for both Professor Piketty and mr Giles!

DEBUNK DEBUNKED

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2014, 01:21:45 AM

What if Piketty is really James O'Keefe and this is all an elaborate hoax to prove liberals are [insert conclusion]?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2014, 01:23:34 AM

I'm predicting an extended squabble about this, which is probably gonna get technical to the point where I won't have an informed opinion.  We like to think of data collection as a sort of immaculate conception of information, but it's a really involved process, moreso if it's not a category that's already tracked monthly/quarterly by a big federal agency.

I remember the kerfuffle over "medical bankruptcies" during the bankruptcy reform bill's passage, where Elizabeth Warren and others argued that most people go bankrupt because they're hit by unexpected medical costs.  This got "debunked" from the right, showing that they used a very broad definition to say medical expenses "caused" people's financial problems, but then replaced it with a "real" figure that was largely the result of tilting the assumptions the other way (stuff like not counting prescription drugs as a medical expense).

Galbraith's critical piece in Dissent called out Piketty for overselling the value of tax records as the only good source, but he said that Piketty's results were in line with what he'd seen from payroll data.  I don't have a reason to particularly trust Pikkety, but the phrase "simplified and cleaned up the data" doesn't immediately fill me with confidence either.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2014, 01:26:34 AM

Also a reminder: The data entry fuckup in Reinhart-Rogoff wasn't really what made it problematic.  But it was funny to throw that back at people who had been treating the 90% threshold as the missing Commandment.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 01:50:45 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 26, 2014, 01:23:34 AM

but the phrase "simplified and cleaned up the data" doesn't immediately fill me with confidence either.

They deleted columns until it fit on one sheet in landscape.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 26, 2014, 02:07:45 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 26, 2014, 01:26:34 AM

Also a reminder: The data entry fuckup in Reinhart-Rogoff wasn't really what made it problematic.  But it was funny to throw that back at people who had been treating the 90% threshold as the missing Commandment.

What was it?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2014, 02:37:41 AM

It was concluding a really strong relationship between two variables based on a relatively small dataset that didn't take into account historical context.  Basically that every time a country allows its publicly held debt to reach over 90% of its GDP, the sky falls down.  But that hasn't happened many times, so it's obviously more useful to look at each as a case study, rather than just throw them into a scatterplot and draw a line through it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on May 26, 2014, 07:04:38 AM

As far as I remember they also ignored countries that disproved their hypothesis for what I'm sure were good reasons.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 26, 2014, 09:39:55 AM

Whoops

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/25/white-house-mistaken-identity_n_5390566.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 09:13:44 PM

(http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/54e4166e03benghazi-investigation.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 26, 2014, 09:33:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 09:13:44 PM

(http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/54e4166e03benghazi-investigation.jpg)

Nailed it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2014, 09:45:20 PM

:goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2014, 09:46:47 PM

the funny/sad thing is that they'll still win big in November lol.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2014, 10:14:02 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 26, 2014, 09:33:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 09:13:44 PM

(http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/54e4166e03benghazi-investigation.jpg)

Nailed it.

Liberals destroyed.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on May 26, 2014, 10:29:02 PM

please quote that image more

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2014, 10:35:01 PM

Quote from: Raban on May 26, 2014, 10:29:02 PM

please quote that image more

Don't tempt me.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 10:44:31 PM

Quote from: Raban on May 26, 2014, 10:29:02 PM

please quote that image more

Which one? This one?

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2014, 10:14:02 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 26, 2014, 09:33:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 09:13:44 PM

(http://www.westernjournalism.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/54e4166e03benghazi-investigation.jpg)

Nailed it.

Liberals destroyed.

I'll try not to.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2014, 11:59:37 PM

Legit challenger to Hillary announces campaign for Democratic nomination. (http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/can-a-zombie-powered-presidential-candidate-go-legit-20140522)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on May 27, 2014, 12:02:22 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Yr40y2y.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/Yr40y2y.jpg)

http://imgur.com/DUosOwb (http://imgur.com/DUosOwb)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 27, 2014, 09:54:22 AM

Dat ODS. :kobeyuck

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on May 27, 2014, 09:17:00 PM

Yup.  The FT averaged by population rather than by country.  I'm sure there are good arguments for this, but you really need to make those arguments rather than pretend that adopting a different methodology is all part of fixing errors and "simplifying the data."

Which doesn't let Piketty off the hook for what sounds like some sloppiness on his part.  But it's a reminder that the FT study isn't some indisputable final word on the subject.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2014, 12:43:21 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2014/05/27/duck-dynasty-star-phil-robertson-to-address-republican-leadership-conference/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/black-republican-congressional-candidate-defends-cliven-bund
this dudes name is racist!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 28, 2014, 11:54:32 AM

Religious people with the last name of Robertson have been irrelevant for 30 years.

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Tickle and Shelby were first asked, but they could not make it.

 :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2014, 10:58:30 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/27/exclusive-texas-va-run-like-a-crime-syndicate-whistleblower-says.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/27/exclusive-texas-va-run-like-a-crime-syndicate-whistleblower-says.html)

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New whistleblower testimony and internal documents implicate an award-winning VA hospital in Texas in widespread wrongdoing—and what appears to be systemic fraud.

Emails and VA memos obtained exclusively by The Daily Beast provide what is among the most comprehensive accounts yet of how high-level VA hospital employees conspired to game the system. It shows not only how they manipulated hospital wait lists but why—to cover up the weeks and months veterans spent waiting for needed medical care. If those lag times had been revealed, it would have threatened the executives’ bonus pay.

What’s worse, the documents show the wrongdoing going unpunished for years, even after it was repeatedly reported to local and national VA authorities. That indicates a new troubling angle to the VA scandal: that the much touted investigations may be incapable of finding violations that are hiding in plain sight. 

“For lack of a better term, you’ve got an organized crime syndicate,” a whistleblower who works in the Texas VA told The Daily Beast. “People up on top are suddenly afraid they may actually be prosecuted and they’re pressuring the little guys down below to cover it all up.”

...

In Cheyenne, Wyoming, Chicago, and Albuquerque, more VA whistleblowers came forward claiming that the same fraudulent scheduling was being used in the hospitals where they worked. At last count, the VA inspector general’s investigation had expanded to 26 separate facilities.

...

“If [VA] directors report low numbers, they’re the outlier. They won’t stay a director very long and they certainly won’t get promoted. No one is getting rewarded for honesty. They pretty much have to lie, if they don’t they won’t go anywhere,” the whistleblower added. Weighted more heavily than other performance measures, the wait time numbers alone “count for 50% of the executive career field bonus, which is a pretty powerful motivator.”

Though VA hospitals may be struggling with increasing patient loads and inadequate resources—including too few medical providers—they are punished for acknowledging those problems. The VA’s current system appears to reward executives’ accounting tricks that mask deep structural issues and impede real solutions.

...

After the warning from Harper and questions about scheduling from several other doctors, including Spann, the final comment in the thread concerns Dr. Vincent. The message reads: “It doesn’t help if you insist on a date that doesn’t meet their 30-day criteria. Vincent just cancels the order. End of story. ”

In other words: it never mattered what was entered to show the “desired date” requested by the patient or the medical provider treating them. Despite Harper’s protestations, if the entry didn’t help meet the VA’s performance objectives it never made it into the system.

Nevertheless, the VA recently cleared Vincent of wrongdoing and, while acknowledging scheduling malpractice, blamed it on mistakes made by lower-level clerks.

On the ultrasound request form, Dr. Vincent writes that he canceled the order because it was “entered in error.” But that would have come as news to the medical provider who actually interacted with the veteran and entered the date based on their evaluation of the patient’s needs. The real reason for canceling it, according to both Dr. Spann and the whistleblower who spoke with The Daily Beast, was to meet the VA’s performance objectives—whatever the cost.

Meeting the performance objectives, which made executives eligible for bonuses and put them in line for promotions, became the overriding imperative among VA executives, according to both Spann and the whistleblower.

The VA’s 2012 performance plan, provided to The Daily Beast by the whistleblower, contains five critical elements to evaluate success, each one containing multiple sub-criteria. But critical element No. 5, the “Results Driven” component that contains the “wait time” criteria, is worth 50% of the overall score. That’s as much as all the other elements combined.

And scoring high on the performance measures is of paramount consideration in a VA hospital. “This is what your bosses, the executives, are being evaluated for,” the whistleblower said. “So if you work for them you must support this because that’s how they’re prioritizing their evaluation of your job.”

The VA’s performance measures were originally established to provide uniform criteria for evaluating employees.  The idea was to use the grading system to reward those who met the standard with bonuses and identify those who were lagging behind. But over time, VA executives realized that the wait time numbers they reported were almost more important than anything else—including the actual care they provided veterans—in how they were judged by the VA’s leadership. At that point the measures became a perverse incentive, encouraging VA facilities across the country to hide problems by cheating their numbers. Eventually, cooking the books became an alarmingly regular procedure—a standard that might have remained if it hadn’t been exposed in Phoenix and unraveled over the past month.

Best part:

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The inspector general’s report from January 2012 stated that, according to the hospital’s own staff, “appointments were routinely made incorrectly by using the next available appointment date instead of the patient’s desired date.” The improper scheduling “led to inaccurate reporting of GI [gastro-intestinal] clinic wait times,” the report concluded. But the IG stopped there, blaming the practice on lower-level scheduler error—and ignoring evidence that shows the fraudulent scheduling practices were pervasive and consciously directed by higher-level executives.

“Every doctor, nurse, and clerk in the hospital knows it’s true, but the VA’s investigative team wasn’t able to find any evidence,” the clinician said. “They didn’t interview any of us or really try to find out what was going on. This was reported in 2011 and it’s still not fixed today.”

The Central Texas management parroted the inspector general’s findings when the hospital applied for a “Robert W. Carey Performance Excellence Award.” According to the clinician, in the hospitals award application they actually listed as an accomplishment that they had found “front line staff” incorrectly using desired dates in the scheduling process and fixed the problem. It must have been convincing. Despite the OIG investigation, the hospital won the award.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 01:05:07 AM

I know we were discussing the financial crisis a few pages ago, but I have one specific question. It's about the claim that banks were forced to lend to poor people who couldn't pay back the loans. Is there (or was there) any actual law that forces banks to do such a thing? I hear that mentioned all the time, but no specifics other than the CRA, which, if I understand correctly, didn't do that, but just made sure that low income minorities that qualified for loans, weren't turned away cause of racist business practices or something to that effect.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 01:16:57 AM

This is probably the simplest link for the CRA/related argument: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cra-debate-a-users-guide-2009-6

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 29, 2014, 08:55:26 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 01:05:07 AM

I know we were discussing the financial crisis a few pages ago, but I have one specific question. It's about the claim that banks were forced to lend to poor people who couldn't pay back the loans. Is there (or was there) any actual law that forces banks to do such a thing? I hear that mentioned all the time, but no specifics other than the CRA, which, if I understand correctly, didn't do that, but just made sure that low income minorities that qualified for loans, weren't turned away cause of racist business practices or something to that effect.

Not all banks were required, and the loan failure rate of loans required by the government was lower than the failure rate of those subprime loans that were done just for funsies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 29, 2014, 09:10:57 AM

There is a special spot in hell for people that fuck over veterans for personal bonuses.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 29, 2014, 09:42:42 AM

How are the "socialist healthcare amirite?" folks spinning the fact that the problem was executive compensation and perverse effect of performance incentives?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2014, 09:52:44 AM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 29, 2014, 09:42:42 AM

How are the "socialist healthcare amirite?" folks spinning the fact that the problem was executive compensation and perverse effect of performance incentives?

I'm assuming like this...

(http://i.imgur.com/XK7i1AM.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 11:11:30 AM

You've gotta be a real piece of shit to abuse veterans while being paid.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 02:26:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 01:16:57 AM

This is probably the simplest link for the CRA/related argument: http://www.businessinsider.com/the-cra-debate-a-users-guide-2009-6

Thanks. I'll admit I don't understand half of that, but at least someone makes an attempt to explain how it happened.

Quote from: Mamacint on May 29, 2014, 09:42:42 AM

How are the "socialist healthcare amirite?" folks spinning the fact that the problem was executive compensation and perverse effect of performance incentives?

Eh, if it's a government agency, Republicans don't seem to have a problem with calling for people's heads.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 03:04:24 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 02:26:19 PM

Thanks. I'll admit I don't understand half of that, but at least someone makes an attempt to explain how it happened.

Basically what he's saying is that the CRA isn't directly responsible, but second and third order effects from it contributed and same for things trying to support it contributed as well. That without it there still would have been a bubble and so on but it probably would have been smaller and affected fewer.

The standard GOPer or columnist takes this and reduces it to CRA CAUSED IT because they don't understand the concept second or third order effects any better and heaven forbid the banks or more than one party be responsible for anything.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 03:08:20 PM

giving black people loans
:violin

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 05:25:59 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 03:04:24 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 02:26:19 PM

Thanks. I'll admit I don't understand half of that, but at least someone makes an attempt to explain how it happened.

Basically what he's saying is that the CRA isn't directly responsible, but second and third order effects from it contributed and same for things trying to support it contributed as well. That without it there still would have been a bubble and so on but it probably would have been smaller and affected fewer.

The standard GOPer or columnist takes this and reduces it to CRA CAUSED IT because they don't understand the concept second or third order effects any better and heaven forbid the banks or more than one party be responsible for anything.

Oh, I understood the guy's thesis. I meant some of the more finer, technical details that I'm not too familiar with.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2014, 05:39:14 PM

Guess who's still alive?

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Former Vice President Dick Cheney blasted President Obama as the weakest president of his lifetime on Wednesday, following the president’s speech defending his foreign policy approach at the U.S. Military Academy commencement ceremony.

“He is a very, very weak president,” Cheney said in an interview with Fox News. “Maybe the weakest — certainly in my lifetime.”

Cheney went on to say that during a recent trip to the Middle East, allies he had “dealt with all the way back to Desert Storm” expressed alarm at the president’s handling of foreign policy.

“They all are absolutely convinced that the American capacity to lead and influence in that part of the world has been dramatically reduced by this president,” Cheney said. “We’ve got a problem with weakness, and it’s centered right in the White House.”

 :badass

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 06:23:35 PM

Well Cheney did prevent 9/11 from happening, so...

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on May 29, 2014, 06:51:30 PM

But Cheney is the worst president of Cheney's lifetime?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 07:33:30 PM

Too bad Obama is too polite to just say "look, I can't think of anything weaker than lying to instigate a war that should have never been waged, cost a trillion dollars, and led to the death of thousands of people. Dick Cheney has no credility on any foreign policy issue."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2014, 07:43:37 PM

Good ol' Karl Rove was out making the rounds, too, saying pretty much the same thing. Obama is weak blahblahblah allies don't trust us anymore blahblahblabh enemies emboldened blahblahblahb Putin is so strong.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 29, 2014, 08:01:08 PM

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Reporter: When you said that you think the Internet should be free are you talking about broadband infrastructure free access nationwide?
Land: Right, right.

Reporter: So you think that if you were in the Senate you would push for the creation of a nationwide broadband infrastructure with free access?

Land: No, no, no. We were talking about one specific item, there.

Reporter: Right, net neutrality, which is about access to faster Internet, not free Internet.

Land: Right. I think that … I think it's important that the costs don't go up so people can't have access to the Internet, meaning that what he said, if it's faster than [sic]  they're gonna charge more to the consumer."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/29/1302809/-Terri-Lynn-Land-shows-why-the-FCC-needs-to-save-the-internet

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2014, 08:11:43 PM

 :snoop

And Scalia didn't understand what HBO was or how it works :snoop :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2014, 08:12:45 PM

Net Neutrality sounds like limp-dick liberal bullshit, I'm against it. We need to meet our Net Enemies with strong Net Aggression, possibly a pre-emptive Net Strike.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 08:19:53 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2014, 08:12:45 PM

Net Neutrality sounds like limp-dick liberal bullshit, I'm against it. We need to meet our Net Enemies with strong Net Aggression, possibly a pre-emptive Net Strike.

Net Freedom, provided by AOL.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on May 29, 2014, 09:10:15 PM

MARKET FORCES WILL MAKE A COMPLETELY UNNEUTRAL INTERNET PROFITABLE AND EFFICIENT! (for the big companies)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 09:16:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyz_doLLoXk

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 09:18:33 PM

Seems like they're moreso laughing at her wording than anything else.

I'm all for looking weak as long as it keeps our troops from getting blown up for no fucking reason.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 10:55:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2T304RS41k

http://washingtonexaminer.com/when-bushies-blew-a-cia-cover-it-was-treason.-now-its-a-mistake./article/2549026

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Many observers seem satisfied with the White House's explanation that the incident was just a regrettable error. And that is indeed what it appears to be. But such assessments represent a remarkable change in tone from the discussion several years ago, when the George W. Bush administration leaked Valerie Plame's identity as part of a bitter fight over the origin and direction of the Iraq war. Back then, it was quite common to hear the words "traitor" and "treason" used to describe top Bush officials involved in the controversy.

There's no doubt the Bush officials deliberately revealed Plame's CIA connection, if not her name, to the press. But the Plame leak could be characterized as inadvertent in one sense: the leakers, both in the State Department and the White House, did not know that Plame's status at the CIA was classified when they mentioned her to reporters. That is why no one was ever charged with leaking her identity; they did not knowingly and deliberately reveal classified information. So in that sense it was all a mistake. Yes, it was inadvertent, colossally stupid, an embarrassment -- but it was a mistake.

No matter. Pushed relentlessly by Democrats, the White House agreed to the appointment of a special prosecutor in the CIA leak case, which led to years of investigation -- top Bush aide Karl Rove was called before a grand jury five times -- and the conviction of former top Dick Cheney aide Scooter Libby on charges of perjury.

Now that a high-profile inadvertent leak is in the news again, perhaps it would be a good thing, just for memory's sake, to go through some of the things that were said during the Plame affair.

...

Fast-forward a few years, and there has now been another leak of a CIA employee's classified status. The circumstances are entirely different from the Plame case. But they are similar in the sense that the person doing the leaking, then and now, most likely did not know that he or she was revealing classified information. Was one an act treason and the other an embarrassing mistake?

That's what Plame suggests. The new leak, she explained at The Atlantic gathering, "is not analogous, I would argue, to what happened to me because the crucial distinction being intent, right? My view of it is that there was retaliation for my husband, Joe Wilson, who was a fierce critic, I think it's fair to say, of the Iraq war, the Bush administration. It was a warning shot —versus this, which was just foolish."

There's been no reaction, at least not yet, from the now-former chief of station in Afghanistan.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 11:09:39 PM

Wait, so relations with the UK and France are worse now than they were under Bush? Fuckouttahere

And even in the examples he cited...should we send troops to Syria? Should we send troops to Libya? Should we have stayed in Iraq? Go on record and stop hand wringing. I'm not going to defend Obama's dithering "maybe maybe not" approach to Syria, after all he pretty much was saved by Kerry throwing a hail mary and the Russians catching it. But I'll take that over bombing Assad anyway.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2014, 11:15:51 PM

That Afghanistan announcement the other day was funny, you could go one place and they're praising Obama for "ending the war" and some place else and bashing him for leaving almost 10,000 "advisers" and then you had McCain, Graham and places like NRO talking about how Obama was surrendering and hadn't learned the lessons of 9/11.

And then the media gets all up in arms when both Bush and Obama admit they don't pay too much attention to them. (As if they need to turn on or visit CNN to learn about events.)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 11:26:57 PM

He can't win. Even back in 2011 when there were more "Obama the realist/HW Bush successor" type fp articles floating around, there was still plenty of "Obama is weak" stuff. My complaint is that we saw what idiotic foreign policy looked like for eight years and are still suffering for it, yet the media has the audacity to suggest Obama is worse. It tells you everything you need to know about mainstream media

Poll after poll shows Americans agree with Obama on most foreign policy issues, yet when generally asked "do you agree with Obama's foreign policy" most say no. To me that's an issue of bad communication and bad media.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 30, 2014, 01:04:42 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 11:09:39 PM

Wait, so relations with the UK and France are worse now than they were under Bush?

More importantly, since when do conservatives give a shit what our allies think? Especially France! I mean, really? France? Did we all forget what right-wing hatred of the French led to back in the good old days? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries) :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2014, 02:32:19 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 30, 2014, 01:04:42 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2014, 11:09:39 PM

Wait, so relations with the UK and France are worse now than they were under Bush?

More importantly, since when do conservatives give a shit what our allies think? Especially France! I mean, really? France? Did we all forget what right-wing hatred of the French led to back in the good old days? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_fries) :usacry

Well, we showed the French when we invaded Iraq anyway and it turned out to be a GREAT idea! (Source: Dick Cheney)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2014, 02:42:01 AM

It's really an unfalsifiable thing either way. And so much turns on personality. Maggie liked Reagan but distrusted him, Mitterand thought he was stupid but useful. Clinton got along decently with Blair but didn't exactly make love with Chirac, Chirac disliked Bush personally and vice versa while Blair was Bush's BFF. Cameron and Sarkozy both seem to like Obama, but Hollande seems a little more cool to him. All of this with a jumble of ideologies both on domestic and foreign policy.

But the objectives of foreign policy and relations don't really change too much:
http://vimeo.com/85914510

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on May 30, 2014, 03:06:55 AM

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/472196261211541504

behold the desert of the real

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2014, 03:52:37 AM

holy crap, I didn't think I'd be able to find it, but the Reagan Foundation has posted footage of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWzLdr1tFuw

Newt's over the top fake laugh (or at least one of them) at 5:25ish. (4:58 for the setup for the punchline)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2014, 09:25:42 AM

Middle East relations are worse under Obama than Bush? Somehow I doubt that very much.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2014, 10:43:21 AM

Quote from: Karakand on May 30, 2014, 03:06:55 AM

https://twitter.com/newtgingrich/status/472196261211541504

behold the desert of the real

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Bj8tCcZbL.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 30, 2014, 01:23:41 PM

Is Holder the only guy that the Obama administration didn't crumble over and fire under any threat of pressure?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2014, 01:33:22 PM

Holder is too awesome to be fired.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2014, 03:22:24 PM

The hits keep coming:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/05/30/giuliani_under_obama_america_is_weaker_in_every_significant_area_of_the_world.html

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RUDY GIULIANI: He isn't cut out to be an executive. He doesn't have the natural skills of an executive. I said if you were hiring an executive who would you hire, Obama or McCain. There is nothing in this man's background to suggest he could run the most complicated organization in the world.

...

If you look at the last six years in every significant area of the world, America is in a much worse position. I go to South America and advise them on security. Our relationships with South America are weaker and worse.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on May 30, 2014, 03:43:21 PM

9/11 happened on GIULIANI's watch. Wouldn't that make him the weakest mayor in the history of human existence?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on May 30, 2014, 04:02:39 PM

It's amazing how hard the right is still campaigning against Obama.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2014, 04:16:46 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 30, 2014, 03:43:21 PM

9/11 happened on GIULIANI's watch. Wouldn't that make him the weakest mayor in the history of human existence?

(http://www.stonewallvets.org/images/rudytimecover.jpg)

What part of Tower of STRENGTH don't you understand?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2014, 04:45:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/1yoMxqW.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2014, 04:58:21 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on May 30, 2014, 03:43:21 PM

9/11 happened on GIULIANI's watch.

Let's not talk about that, though. Or the 1,400 first-responders who have died from illnesses related to the toxic dust cloud, or the additional 19,000 people who are sick or dying from the same kinds of illnesses, despite being told that the air was safe.

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Post by: Oblivion on May 30, 2014, 07:51:08 PM

Wait, what executive experience did McCain have again?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2014, 08:01:35 PM

Old white guy.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2014, 07:14:32 PM

WEAK:

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“Trading five senior Taliban leaders from detention in Guantanamo Bay for Bergdahl’s release may have consequences for the rest of our forces and all Americans. Our terrorist adversaries now have a strong incentive to capture Americans. That incentive will put our forces in Afghanistan and around the world at even greater risk,” House Armed Services Committee Chairman Howard P. McKeon (R-Calif.) and the ranking Republican on the Senate Armed Services Committee, James M. Inhofe (Okla.), said in a joint statement.

...

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) said that the detainees transferred from Guantanamo to Qatar, where they are to stay for at least a year, “are hardened terrorists who have the blood of Americans and countless Afghans on their hands. I am eager to learn what precise steps are being taken to ensure that these vicious and violent Taliban extremists never return to the fight against the United States and our partners or engage in any activities that can threaten the prospects for peace and security in Afghanistan.”

Beyond this individual instance, some raised the larger question of whether it is sound policy for the United States to have, in the words of House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), “negotiated with terrorists.”

Rogers said the action marked a “fundamental shift in U.S. policy.”

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Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2014, 07:56:36 PM

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He reiterated that he would like to “repeal all of Obamacare,” but added, “Can a state still have an exchange? You know we live in a 50-state union so some states could have exchanges. They already did before Obamacare.”

So he's not suddenly unsure.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 08:19:26 PM

It still blows my mind  that despite the problems nationwide, Obamacare managed to work 100% correctly in fucking Kentucky. Great website, easy to access/understand, everything works. IIRC their uninsured rate has been cut by 40% which is just insane (in a great way).

Now Mitch McConnell is saying that the exchange will still exist even if Obamacare is repealed, so people don't have to worry. Well it's true the exchange might still exist after full repeal...but it'll quickly crumble without the subsidies and ban on withholding coverage for pre-existing conditions.

IIRC Paul beat his opponent by less than 200k votes. More than 400k have signed up for Obamacare. Pop shit and apologize indeed.
 :leon

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Post by: Broseidon on May 31, 2014, 08:25:20 PM

"pop shit" ???

I'm assuming this is another one of those black american terms I dont understand because we havent appropriated it yet.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 08:29:57 PM

It's like when you're banging a dude and he tries to apologize for not pitching in for gas money as if that's gonna make you go softer.

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Post by: Kara on May 31, 2014, 08:32:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 08:29:57 PM

It's like when you're banging a dude and he tries to apologize for not pitching in for gas money as if that's gonna make you go softer.

I think I saw this in Angels in America.

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Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2014, 10:25:50 PM

Finally. Someone speaks truth to power:

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“They’re better than poor people. They just are,” Carolla replied. “I’ve hung around with plenty of poor people, now I’ve hung out with rich people. They work harder, generally. More focused. The folks I grew up with, the poor people I grew up with, fairly lethargic, did a lot of complaining, they smoked a little too much, drank a little too much, blamed everyone but themselves a little too much.”

Carolla dismissed the “notion” of the rich being “born with a silver spoon,” saying: “I don’t know any people that were born rich.”

“A lot of them had the advantage of growing up with a family that was intact, that would let them go off and do things that would, later on, enable them to become wealthy,” he explained.

Carolla also pointed out that the rich give “a hell of a lot more to charity.”

Turning to his own charitable contributions, Carolla admitted that he could give more but concluded, “I do the ultimate charity — I pay a shitload in taxes.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/05/31/comedian-adam-carolla-on-rich-people-theyre-better-than-poor-people-they-just-are/

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2014, 10:30:10 PM

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“I don’t know any people that were born rich.”

:pacspit

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2014, 10:34:51 PM

That was also in the context of discussing someone like Donald Trump. :neogaf

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Post by: Rufus on May 31, 2014, 10:35:38 PM

Drunks and layabouts, the lot. Tsk tsk.

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 31, 2014, 10:40:47 PM

That might be satire you guys.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 10:43:01 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on May 31, 2014, 10:40:47 PM

That might be satire you guys.

Dunno, he's been on quite a tear lately. I'm just going to assume he's seeing the potential to tap into dat resentment market and make bank off conservatives. I doubt he's some uber republican, this is just his next paycheck.

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Post by: Oblivion on May 31, 2014, 10:46:57 PM

Guh? Hasn't Corolla been pretty right wing on most topics for several years now? I know he hates soshulism, illegals and the gays, just to name a few.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 31, 2014, 10:48:08 PM

Just glancing quickly through the top 15 richest Americans: Bill Gates' parents were a lawyer and bank director, Buffet's dad was a congressman, the Koch brothers are the sons of an oil baron, the Walton kids...enough said, Bloomberg's dad was a real estate agent, Jeff Bezos' family owned a 25k acre ranch in Texas, Larry Page's parents were both college professors, Sergey Brin's dad is a college professor and his mother works at NASA, and Forrest Mars is the grandson of the founder of Mars Corp.

There's, like, one person of the list [Sheldon Adelson] who actually grew up poor.

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Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2014, 12:01:42 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2014, 10:43:01 PM

Dunno, he's been on quite a tear lately. I'm just going to assume he's seeing the potential to tap into dat resentment market and make bank off conservatives. I doubt he's some uber republican, this is just his next paycheck.

He's promoting a book.

Quote from: Oblivion on May 31, 2014, 10:46:57 PM

Guh? Hasn't Corolla been pretty right wing on most topics for several years now? I know he hates soshulism, illegals and the gays, just to name a few.

Yes. It's pretty hard to listen to any two episodes of his podcast without finding this out. When he ran out of good guests for like a year and a half I deleted the RSS feed since I had just been skipping to the interviews/guests anyway. (Poor Allison Rosen.)

He's like a Constitution Party/Pat Buchanan conservative/libertarian deal. Get the government out of everything but oppressing foreigners and gays.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 01, 2014, 05:24:40 AM

I'm getting really excited about Tea Party majority after this year's midterms, I tell ya what. Can't wait to see what sort of regressive stuff they try to shit through legislature.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on June 01, 2014, 02:33:03 PM

Cable news ratings collapse. Hopefully this stays a trend.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/05/may-cable-news-ratings-spare-no-one-189393.html?hp=r13


Average age of O'reilly viewer is 72.  :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2014, 03:17:43 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 01, 2014, 03:05:07 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 01, 2014, 05:24:40 AM

I'm getting really excited about Tea Party majority after this year's midterms, I tell ya what. Can't wait to see what sort of regressive stuff they try to shit through legislature.

Dems are keeping the Senate.

Maybe maybe not. With the economy faltering and China poised to become the #1 economy in a few months, plus whatever new scandal pops up, etc etc.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2014, 03:32:28 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 01, 2014, 03:05:07 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 01, 2014, 05:24:40 AM

I'm getting really excited about Tea Party majority after this year's midterms, I tell ya what. Can't wait to see what sort of regressive stuff they try to shit through legislature.

Dems are keeping the Senate.

The more I look at it, the less I think so.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 01, 2014, 05:07:04 PM

Yeah, I'm pretty pessimistic about Dems keeping control as well. At best, it probably won't be a major blowout like it was thought to be, thanks to (as usual) crazy ass teabaggers, but they'll still lose by 2 or 3 seats, unfortunately.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2014, 09:42:39 PM

Dem seats they're guaranteed to lose: South Dakota, Iowa, West Virginia

Dem incumbent, lean R: Montana, NC, Arkansas, LA

Tossup, Dem incumbent: Colorado, Alaska

They only need to lose 6. I'm just not seeing it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2014, 10:23:52 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 01, 2014, 09:42:39 PM

Dem seats they're guaranteed to lose: South Dakota, Iowa, West Virginia

Dem incumbent, lean R: Montana, NC, Arkansas, LA

Tossup, Dem incumbent: Colorado, Alaska

They only need to lose 6. I'm just not seeing it.

Add NC to that guaranteed loss list and remove Iowa. Alaska and Louisiana are pretty close, we'll see. Dems seem to be looking good in Arkansas so far, strangely; it's a state where Obamacare is having a positive impact.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2014, 10:43:20 PM

Serious question: has America ever not negotiated with terrorists and foreign armies? Because you'd think "we don't negotiate with terrorists ever!" is some immutable law laid down in stone by God himself with all the hand-wringing going on over Obama releasing some Taliban fighters in exchange for one of our guys.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2014, 10:53:09 PM

remember when Reagan gave Iran 1500 missiles in exchange for US hostages?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2014, 10:54:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2014, 10:53:09 PM

remember when Reagan gave Iran 1500 missiles in exchange for US hostages?

No, and neither do you.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 01, 2014, 10:55:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2014, 10:54:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2014, 10:53:09 PM

remember when Reagan gave Iran 1500 missiles in exchange for US hostages?

No, and neither do you.

And neither did Reagan by the end of his second term.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2014, 10:57:34 PM

:dead

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2014, 10:58:06 PM

that was too demonic, my friend.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on June 01, 2014, 11:15:02 PM

Or when Reagan gave weapons to Iran to fund a bullshit war in Central America :heh

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Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2014, 12:03:24 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2014, 10:43:20 PM

Serious question: has America ever not negotiated with terrorists and foreign armies? Because you'd think "we don't negotiate with terrorists ever!" is some immutable law laid down in stone by God himself with all the hand-wringing going on over Obama releasing some Taliban fighters in exchange for one of our guys.

Those were times when America was weak too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
We negotiated then and that's why it's the FIRST Barbary War.

Meanwhile after the Second one:

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In early 1816, Britain undertook a diplomatic mission, backed by a small squadron of ships of the line, to Tunis, Tripoli, and Algiers to convince the Deys to stop their piracy and free the Christian slaves. The Beys of Tunis and Tripoli agreed without any resistance, but the Dey of Algiers was more recalcitrant and the negotiations were stormy. The leader of the diplomatic mission, Edward Pellew, 1st Viscount Exmouth, believed that he had managed to negotiate a treaty to stop the slavery of Christians and returned to England. However, due to confused orders, Algerian troops massacred 200 Corsican, Sicilian and Sardinian fishermen who were under British protection just after the treaty was signed. This caused outrage in Britain and Europe and Exmouth's negotiations were seen as a failure.

As a result, Exmouth was ordered to sea again to complete the job and punish the Algerians. He gathered a squadron of five ships of the line, reinforced by a number of frigates, later reinforced by a flotilla of six Dutch ships. On 27 August 1816, following a round of failed negotiations, the fleet delivered a punishing nine-hour bombardment of Algiers.

And nobody ever had any problems in that area of the world ever again.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2014, 01:54:47 AM

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RNC Chair: Hillary Just 'Playing Politics' With Benghazi Book Chapter



Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus on Sunday said that Hillary Clinton is playing a political game "24/7."

Clinton leaked a chapter in her book about benghazi to Politico, in which she defended her decision not to go on the Sunday shows after the Benghazi attack. Priebus criticized the chapter on Benghazi in her book as an attempt to cover herself politically.

“Hilary has been playing politics about this issue from the very beginning, and she is launching an organized political defense," Priebus said on "Fox News Sunday." "Their people are trying to preempt or stop any more criticism that she’s been receiving on Benghazi.”

“She played a part in the White House’s cover up of what this is all about in Benghazi. It was a terrorist attack. Our heroes and diplomats have died and were murdered, and she continues to play politics,” he continued. “Hillary Clinton is politics 24-7, and this is no different.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/priebus-hillary-politics-benghazi-book
:heh

Guess what he'd say if the sample chapter didn't mention Benghazi? "Why is Hillary Clinton ignoring Benghazi?!"  :lol

It's clear the goal here is to drive up Hillary's negatives by any costs. The more extreme the better because ultimately a lot of people are tired of Clinton Drama. After all, that was part of Obama's argument in 2007.

Alas, once Hillary wins the nomination then what? And after she wins the presidency? They're out here saying she is unfit, questioning her patriotism, accusing her of treason, etc etc. Folks expecting things to stop being partisan/polarized once Obama leaves office are gonna be disappointed.

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Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2014, 02:06:15 AM

Politician Shocked That Other Politicians Are Engaged In Politics, Also That Gambling Is Going On In This Establishment

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Post by: Oblivion on June 02, 2014, 02:26:45 AM

I'm just wondering where the hell in the constitution is the requirement for presidential candidates to appear on Sunday talk shows after an act of terror terrorist attack?

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 02, 2014, 04:54:56 AM

what if the RNC is/keeps spending this inordinate amount of time beating up on Hilary, and she doesn't run?

I mean, they'd be left holding the bag on all their investment hatred that was now worthless if goofy ole' Biden (or anyone else) just walks to the nomination.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2014, 09:42:37 AM

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“At the same time, there are two jobs there president has,” Woodward added. “And that is to protect the country, and to avoid unnecessary wars. And if you look at the record, you have to give Obama some credit. He’s protected the country and we have not had another war or unnecessary war.”

That's when Ingraham worked Benghazi into the conversation.

"We didn't protect the Benghazi diplomatic mission on 9/11/12. We kind of failed on that regard, don't you think, Bob?" she said. "That is the country."

"Well, you are underscoring my point that this will never go away, at least with you," Woodward said, drawing laughter from the panelists.

"I actually don't think it's funny when an ambassador is murdered," Ingraham replied.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-panel-mocks-laura-ingraham-benghazi

lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2014, 09:54:52 AM

The murder of a US ambassador isn't funny, true, but she and her fellow mouth-breathers are trying their hardest to turn it into a joke.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2014, 11:05:47 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 02, 2014, 04:54:56 AM

what if the RNC is/keeps spending this inordinate amount of time beating up on Hilary, and she doesn't run?

I mean, they'd be left holding the bag on all their investment hatred that was now worthless if goofy ole' Biden (or anyone else) just walks to the nomination.

Warren/Sanders 2016, believe. itshappening_socialism.gif

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2014, 02:03:13 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sarah-palin-criticizes-bergdahl

"No, Mr. President, a soldier expressing horrid anti-American beliefs – even boldly putting them in writing and unabashedly firing off his messages (http://nypost.com/2014/05/31/the-bizarre-tale-of-americas-last-known-pow/) while in uniform, just three days before he left his unit on foot – is not 'honorable service.' Unless that is your standard," Palin wrote.

I'm totally shocked that conservatives would use this occasion to smear and degrade an American soldier who has been held by an enemy force for five years.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2014, 02:24:44 PM

“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools,” he concluded. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”

 :larry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2014, 02:41:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2014, 02:24:44 PM

“I am ashamed to be an American. And the title of US soldier is just the lie of fools,” he concluded. “I am sorry for everything. The horror that is America is disgusting.”

 :larry

He was a 23 y/o home-schooled, ballet guy who just saw his friend get vaporized.  :yeshrug

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 02, 2014, 02:45:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtUOopHPlMc

 :oreilly

(chick at 1:15 onward :lol :bow)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2014, 03:43:33 PM

Even the NRA told these guys to stop. :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2014, 07:08:05 PM

Didn't someone die trying to find him a few years ago? Not to mention trading him for 5 mid tier terrorists...I can't cosign this. It's weird that the administration is trying to make this a big deal, like "oh man look at this great thing we did, USA USA USA." Eh.

Is he really a prisoner of war if he deserted and ran into the Taliban?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2014, 07:16:53 PM

Where was Bergdahl during Benghazi? And what did he know? And did he call it a terrorist attack?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 02, 2014, 07:34:41 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2014, 03:43:33 PM

Even the NRA told these guys to stop. :lol

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The more the NRA continues to divide its members by attacking some aspects of gun rights instead of supporting all gun rights, the more support it will lose. Already, OCT members are posting pictures of themselves cutting up their life membership cards. If they do not retract their disgusting and disrespectful comments, OCT will have no choice but to withdraw its full support of the NRA and establish relationships with other gun rights organizations that fight for ALL gun rights, instead of just paying them lip service the way the NRA appears to be doing. The NRA should have instead released a statement to the effect that it applauds our groups for coming together and finding new methods to promote safe and responsible open carry.”

https://www.facebook.com/OpenCarryTexas

The NRA was working with the Obama administration the whole time! :whoo

Dat 11th dimensional chess

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 02, 2014, 08:48:13 PM

Is there a reason why so much effort was made to release this particular dude?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2014, 08:51:23 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 02, 2014, 08:48:13 PM

Is there a reason why so much effort was made to release this particular dude?

He's the only POW in Afghanistan (or Iraq either, I think).

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2014, 08:55:49 PM

And it seems like his health had deteriorated recently, too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 02, 2014, 08:58:12 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2014, 08:51:23 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 02, 2014, 08:48:13 PM

Is there a reason why so much effort was made to release this particular dude?

He's the only POW in Afghanistan (or Iraq either, I think).

Oh, is that why? Well that makes it a little bit more legitimate, I think.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2014, 02:37:00 PM

https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/473863603422908417

I can't even :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 03, 2014, 03:04:41 PM

Y'all know what day it is? It's the 10th anniversary of the death of the greatest President to ever President:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2014/06/03/what-they-said-then-how-liberal-media-savaged-reagan

:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2014, 03:15:29 PM

http://www.levin.senate.gov/newsroom/press/release/levin-statement-on-bowe-bergdahl-prisoner-exchange

Quote

"Relative to the requirement that the notification be provided 30 days in advance of the transfer of detainees, the President put Congress on notice on Dec. 23, 2013, that he intended to exercise his powers as commander in chief, if necessary, ‘to act swiftly in conducting negotiations with foreign countries regarding the circumstances of detainee transfers.’

"While the President cannot change the law with a signing statement, given that notice, members of Congress should not be surprised that he acted as he did in the circumstances that existed."

Another talking point bites the dust.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2014, 03:36:23 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 03, 2014, 03:04:41 PM

Y'all know what day it is? It's the 10th anniversary of the death of the greatest President to ever President:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2014/06/03/what-they-said-then-how-liberal-media-savaged-reagan

:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

The comments:

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OgieOgilthorpe • 28 minutes ago

Wow. This is a veritable Who's Who of NITWITS.
And the leftist maggots want to say that conservatives hate Obama? This illustrates REAL CONTEMPT.

 :snoop :snoop :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2014, 04:52:17 PM

The fact that Bedtime for Bonzo hasn't been added to the National Film Registry is clear proof of a leftist attack on Reagan's legacy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 03, 2014, 05:00:08 PM

The best part about that article is that you could copy-and-paste it and post it as a diary at DailyKos and probably get a million likes. :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2014, 05:42:38 PM

OBAMA DID A THING AND IT'S THE WORST THING

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2014, 06:07:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0jpImbkR5c

:what

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on June 03, 2014, 06:52:24 PM

But Reagan actually was a terrible president/complete fucking idiot. Trees cause more pollution than factories? :ufup

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 03, 2014, 07:04:24 PM

Excuse to post this http://www.thepaincomics.com/weekly040609a.htm

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2014, 08:01:03 PM

wow that dude was still salty :reaganumad

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 03, 2014, 08:13:25 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 03, 2014, 06:52:24 PM

But Reagan actually was a terrible president/complete fucking idiot. Trees cause more pollution than factories? :ufup

The man was a pioneer in derp. :bow :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 03, 2014, 09:13:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2EiFQXTwVM

 :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2014, 09:15:46 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2014, 09:52:34 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/04/opinion/dowd-dont-harsh-our-mellow-dude.html?smid=tw-NYTimesDowd&seid=auto

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 03, 2014, 09:55:51 PM

I'm not really a fan of Seth McFarlane, but I always did like this clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbLD2JyFAlE

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2014, 10:25:47 PM

Quote from: http://www.stonekettle.com/2014/06/negotiating-with-terrorists.html

Here’s the really disturbing question:

What does Ted Cruz’s statement tell the US Military?

What does it tell the terrorists? Who cares. The real question is what does it tell America?

That under a Tea Party administration if you’re captured by terrorists, well fuck you, Soldier. We don’t negotiate with terrorists. Our vaunted principles, our inflexible ideology, our unbending politics and our sound-bite simple-minded doctrine is worth more than your life. We don’t negotiate with terrorists (even though we really do, don’t we? Pretty much all of the time). Besides, you’re probably a traitor anyway.

Think about that.

Think about it real hard.

Think about it real hard, especially if you’re the parent of a soldier-age son or daughter.

And then be glad, goddamned glad, that you have a president who was willing to do what it takes to get Bowe Bergdahl home.

Dead or alive, we get our people home, whatever the cost, that’s the one promise that must never be broken.

The day we forget that, the day the fear of “what will the terrorists think” becomes more important to us than that sacred obligation, that’s the day America dies.

Whether or not Bowe Bergdahl is a hero or a deserter or just a hapless fool who screwed up under the enormous pressures of war, he’s still an American.

He’s one of ours and and there’s only one thing to say:

Welcome home, Soldier.

Welcome home.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2014, 10:35:33 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 03, 2014, 09:55:51 PM

I'm not really a fan of Seth McFarlane, but I always did like this clip:

:wag

American Dad doesn't count despite him doing voices for it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2014, 11:07:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1W-fJpgZr0

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2014, 11:23:35 PM

Pelosi manages to sound nearly as dumb as Sarah Palin whenever I hear her talk.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 03, 2014, 11:40:15 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 03, 2014, 06:07:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0jpImbkR5c

:what

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Jacc Trippa35 minutes ago
 
white people need to rein in their crazies, but you never do. hence, mass murders every week and world imperialism.

:leon

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 01:20:05 AM

I believe in most cases, the United States has historically been not too concerned about "regular joe" military or civilian defectors, it's the intelligence ones whose knees they want to break as soon as they get their hands on them.

This guy deserted in the 60s and they even gave him his medals back and the ones he "earned" while gone before court-martialing him and giving him 30 days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Robert_Jenkins

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 01:28:34 AM

So far we've got:

1. Obama violated the Constitution and should be impeached
2. Bergdahl is a deserter who deserves to be executed
3. Bergdahl's dad is a terrorist sympathizer

I just can't with this anymore, brehs. :goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 04, 2014, 01:41:07 AM

My favorite is:

-Obama should have done a rescue mission instead of a prisoner swap!
-Soldiers died looking for this guy!

:gurl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 01:46:07 AM

Just use drones to take out everyone in a hundred square mile radius around him, then use a robot claw to pick him up and fly him back to America where we enhance interrogate him then line him up against the wall and shoot him.

 :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 04, 2014, 02:10:38 AM

This is typical of Obama's weak "leadership" style. President McCain would have rescued this man without swapping terrorists on his first day in office, and then would have executed him on the 2nd day for treason.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 02:19:16 AM

Typical weak on defense liberal bullshit. President Johm McCain would have never allowed anyone to be captured. And nobody would have deserted or converted to Islam while growing beards because everyone would love this country again.

Johm McCain. Country First.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 02:22:29 AM

Plus Bowe couldn't have wandered off and been captured by the Taliban in Afghanistan because he would have been in Iran. Or Syria. Or Yemen. Or Libya. Or Russia. Or...

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 04, 2014, 02:26:59 AM

I almost feel obliged to quote stuff from FreeRepublic.com just for this thread. If anyone wanted to see how deep the conservative rabbit hole goes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 02:28:02 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 04, 2014, 02:26:59 AM

I almost feel obliged to quote stuff from FreeRepublic.com just for this thread. If anyone wanted to see how deep the conservative rabbit hole goes.

(http://theconservativetreehouse.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/saving-private-bergdahl.jpg?w=523&h=770)

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Spin spin spin.

Sure seems like this AWOL dude was an agent for Taliban and so is his dad. Both are under protection of Obama over objection from State.

CIA Station Chief did not make it through the swap before being outed by the Whtie House. Must be that the CIA objected.

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This is a BOLD-faced lie by CNN.
Bergdahl Sr. DID NOT speak Pashto - he spoke Arabic, he said at Obama's side: "bism allah alrahman alraheem” – which means “in the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful” – which are the opening words of every chapter of the Qur’an.

This was a black flag being planted at the White House for the Islamic world to see. And they did not miss the meaning.

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CIA Station Chief did not make it through the swap before being outed by the White House. Must be that the CIA objected.
^^^ THIS^^^

Was no "accident". That was a deliberate WARNING to anyone in the know about this 'deal' to keep mouth shut or you will end up DEAD - because we will turn your ass over to the Jihadists for killing. Remember Stevens?

THAT is the message here.

When are Americans going to wake up that we have a Trojan Horse that is subjugating the country to our enemies??? That he has performed a MarxoFascist coup?

When??? Are this many people clueless about what is about to happen to us?

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Yes. The vast majority of American citizens and politicians as well as the press have no clue that Obama led the Muslim Brotherhood to completely subvert the US Government and foreign and economic policy, and that the Administration advances the standing of Al Queda Jihadists as well as criminal terrorist and drug smuggling operations (Afghani and Mexican).

Hardly anybody knows.

Now everyone on The Bore knows in the very least.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 04, 2014, 03:39:55 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/0Ow7Bn7.jpg)

Oh god that's not even the tip of the fucking iceberg when it comes to that site.

Here's a few choice ideas perpetuated by FreeRepublic.com:

- Poor/black people should lay down in the street and die

- Black people deserved to have their own section on the bus to protect whites from them, because they're all urban ferals

- Obozo is a gay Muslim Nazi Commu-fascist Kenyan -- the list goes on

- Gay people are total abominations and should be burned alive in the streets (they really love things happening in public, like executions)

- Revolt is coming.

I mean it's like a laundry list of what Republicans already believe but with no filter. And the "filter" that their "moderators" use? Pretty much deletes anything remotely open-minded or liberal. My personal favorites are when the makers of Honey Maid made an ad for their products that featured two gay dads and a happy family, and they called it a sign of the NBO (New Butt Order). They also called the NFL the National F*ggot League after the Michael Sam/Vito kiss on ESPN. Absolutely everything they ever say about gay people is hilarity of the highest order, seriously.

Here's a few more quotes:

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If this is true, then we are lost as a nation. Completely.

I see that TV show with the two queers and their adopted daughter and I seen untold manipulation and diversion from the real perversion that is homosexuality.

They show a peck on the cheek and lovey-dovey humanist affection between two people, but they do not show the physical and mental perversion that forms the basis of all their ‘morality’.

God never intended it, Hollywood won’t show the truth - you can only find that via gay porn - and liberals and Democrats only support it because it is a means to degenerate us all. Truly evil people

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All I know is that a gay acquaintance tells me that gay porn is about 95% child porn.

"GAY ACQUAINTANCE"

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 04, 2014, 07:11:33 AM

Does anyone know more about the actual roles of these 5 leaders? Were they involved in actual terrorist activity or were they traditional military commanders during the Afghan war? Were they the type of people we keep on Guantanimo for years without charges or did we actually have plans for them that were legal?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2014, 08:59:32 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 04, 2014, 03:39:55 AM

Oh god that's not even the tip of the fucking iceberg when it comes to that site.

Here's a few choice ideas perpetuated by FreeRepublic.com:

- Poor/black people should lay down in the street and die

- Black people deserved to have their own section on the bus to protect whites from them, because they're all urban ferals

- Obozo is a gay Muslim Nazi Commu-fascist Kenyan -- the list goes on

- Gay people are total abominations and should be burned alive in the streets (they really love things happening in public, like executions)

- Revolt is coming.

I mean it's like a laundry list of what Republicans already believe but with no filter. And the "filter" that their "moderators" use? Pretty much deletes anything remotely open-minded or liberal. My personal favorites are when the makers of Honey Maid made an ad for their products that featured two gay dads and a happy family, and they called it a sign of the NBO (New Butt Order). They also called the NFL the National F*ggot League after the Michael Sam/Vito kiss on ESPN. Absolutely everything they ever say about gay people is hilarity of the highest order, seriously.

Here's a few more quotes:

Quote

If this is true, then we are lost as a nation. Completely.

I see that TV show with the two queers and their adopted daughter and I seen untold manipulation and diversion from the real perversion that is homosexuality.

They show a peck on the cheek and lovey-dovey humanist affection between two people, but they do not show the physical and mental perversion that forms the basis of all their ‘morality’.

God never intended it, Hollywood won’t show the truth - you can only find that via gay porn - and liberals and Democrats only support it because it is a means to degenerate us all. Truly evil people

Quote

All I know is that a gay acquaintance tells me that gay porn is about 95% child porn.

"GAY ACQUAINTANCE"

(http://i.imgur.com/Ou9Pl3b.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 09:21:50 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 04, 2014, 07:11:33 AM

Does anyone know more about the actual roles of these 5 leaders? Were they involved in actual terrorist activity or were they traditional military commanders during the Afghan war? Were they the type of people we keep on Guantanimo for years without charges or did we actually have plans for them that were legal?

They were former Taliban officials that we've been holding since 2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_five

And there's this:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/secret-videos-bergdahl-deteriorating-health

But the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday night that the U.S. intelligence community had evidence of Bergdahl's failing health, based on a secret analysis of two videos of the soldier in captivity that were provided to U.S. officials. One was shot in 2011 and the other in December 2013, the latter of which has never been publicly shown.

Officials who saw the recent video described Bergdahl's condition to the Journal as "alarming." The analysis of the videos showing the accelerating decline of Bergdahl's health partially convinced some holdouts within the Obama administration, like Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, as well as leaders in the Pentagon to back the proposed deal, according to the Journal.

One anonymous defense official summed up the calculus behind the exchange: Bergdahl's value as a prisoner was declining rapidly, along with his health, as U.S. troops were slated to pull out of Afghanistan.

"We believe they saw Bergdahl as a golden egg. That is why they kept him alive and as healthy as possible. But as he deteriorated, some people believe he became more of a burden to them," the official told the Journal. "And as the war was ending some of them [Taliban] came to doubt his value. He was more of a liability as his health declined."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 04, 2014, 09:39:28 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 09:21:50 AM

They were former Taliban officials that we've been holding since 2002:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taliban_five

That early 00s boy band craze really was out of control

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 10:15:01 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 09:21:50 AM

And there's this:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/secret-videos-bergdahl-deteriorating-health

But the Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday night that the U.S. intelligence community had evidence of Bergdahl's failing health, based on a secret analysis of two videos of the soldier in captivity that were provided to U.S. officials. One was shot in 2011 and the other in December 2013, the latter of which has never been publicly shown.

Officials who saw the recent video described Bergdahl's condition to the Journal as "alarming."

Great, now the liberals probably want to give him free medical care.

And he'll probably get to cut right to the front of the secret wait lists at the VA.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 12:50:20 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2014/06/04/3444718/fox-news-suggests-that-obama-orchestrated-release-of-bergdahl-because-he-is-un-american/

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Fox News regular Keith Ablow speculated on Wednesday morning that President Obama orchestrated the release of U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl in exchange for five Taliban prisoners being held at Guantanamo Bay because the commander-in-chief “doesn’t affiliate with patriotism” and “wants out of America.”

“Barack Obama does not have the will of the American people, Americanism in his soul,” Ablow, a forensic psychiatrist who is part of the Fox News Medical A-Team, explained. “And this swap, somebody who may not feel very American for five people who definitely don’t, is symptomatic of that.”

Referencing evidence that Bergdahl may have deserted his brigade in Afghanistan and grew disillusioned with America’s war mission, Ablow speculated that the Bergdahl family “may have a tendency to distance oneself from institutions, to diminish the rule of law and to elevate the individual above all else.” He also specifically referenced Bowe Bergdahl’s history of dancing in a ballet to suggest that he is narcissistic.

Try disagreeing with a forensic psychiatrist you supposed science lovers.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 04, 2014, 01:03:32 PM

Is he that dickhead they always have on? As in his head literally looks like a dick?

Edit: GIS says yup

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2014, 01:23:07 PM

The 2nd term president doesn't have the will of the American people? Ballet mean Bowe is narcissistic? Ablow needs some major psychotic meds cause he doesn't seem to live on the same planet as everyone else. What a fantasy land! :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 04, 2014, 01:25:25 PM

Plus, who wants to live in a country where it's up to republicans to decide if you are worthy enough to come home from their war?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 04, 2014, 01:51:07 PM

Quote

“may have a tendency to distance oneself from institutions, to diminish the rule of law and to elevate the individual above all else.”

oh you mean like Cliven Bundy ?

the right have totally jumped the shark now - there is nowhere for them to go from here.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 04, 2014, 02:19:36 PM

Let Americans die in the custody of the enemy brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 04, 2014, 02:49:05 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 03, 2014, 10:35:33 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 03, 2014, 09:55:51 PM

I'm not really a fan of Seth McFarlane, but I always did like this clip:

:wag

American Dad doesn't count despite him doing voices for it.

Really? Well that actually makes some sense since AD is actually occasionally funny.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 04, 2014, 03:12:44 PM

Yeah, then it turned to utter dogshite.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2014, 04:26:57 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 04, 2014, 02:19:36 PM

Let Americans die in the custody of the enemy brehs

VA Hospital crisis solved!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 04:33:03 PM

Ablow is the guy Fox has on anytime they feel like claiming that Obama has daddy issues or that he's anti-colonialist/anti-American so that it'll sound more plausible since Ablow has a "Dr." slapped in front of his name.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 04, 2014, 08:33:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/drudge-hillary-clinton-people-cover-walker (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/drudge-hillary-clinton-people-cover-walker)

:lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2014, 08:51:51 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 04:33:03 PM

Ablow is the guy Fox has on anytime they feel like claiming that Obama has daddy issues or that he's anti-colonialist/anti-American so that it'll sound more plausible since Ablow has a "Dr." slapped in front of his name.

Fox only loves the doctors that are willing to come on and say crazy stuff on teh teevee.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3603612136001/do-aliens-think-earth-is-too-dumb-to-bother-with/#sp=show-clips

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 04, 2014, 09:01:00 PM

Some Kossack rounded up a bunch of examples of right-wingers supporting Bergdahl before they realized he was the worst soldier in U.S. history:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/03/1304227/-The-way-back-machine-delivers-the-LOLs#

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 04, 2014, 09:10:46 PM

Holy shit:

https://twitter.com/mattbinder

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 09:19:00 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 04, 2014, 09:10:46 PM

Holy shit:

https://twitter.com/mattbinder

:rofl

L

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2014, 09:59:54 PM

Soldiers died...trying to save another soldier? IMPEACH.

fuck these people, seriously.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 04, 2014, 10:19:44 PM

Didn't think it was possible, but this has actually become an even dumber scandal than BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 04, 2014, 10:21:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2014, 09:59:54 PM

IMPEACH.

Honestly? I wish they would. Stop threatening impeachment and just do it. Get it over with, then take their well deserved L.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 11:50:25 PM

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2014/06/04/this-is-so-dangerous-what-is-wrong-with-the-secret-service-if-polish-tabloids-can-get-these-pics-and-video-with-a-camera-lens-is-there-anyone-who-doesnt-think-the-president-is-vulnera/

lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 04, 2014, 11:53:54 PM

(http://cdn.gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Screen-Shot-2014-06-04-at-11.16.50-AM-562x387.png)

Oh god I wish this was in better quality

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Raban on June 04, 2014, 11:54:35 PM

FUCK you stole my post. I would make an emote out of that with the quickness if it wasn't so blurry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 12:03:17 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 04, 2014, 11:50:25 PM

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2014/06/04/this-is-so-dangerous-what-is-wrong-with-the-secret-service-if-polish-tabloids-can-get-these-pics-and-video-with-a-camera-lens-is-there-anyone-who-doesnt-think-the-president-is-vulnera/

lol

:lol

If you actually watch the video, you can see other people working out alongside him [and Secret Service members standing around in the background]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExQcrf80OSI

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 12:07:51 AM

When I first saw the pictures I said "that's a hotel gym" and video says it's a Marriott. I thought it was probably just some dope they checked over and everything who wanted to workout too and take some video. And Obama didn't give a shit. Greta disagrees.

Best part is Obama on the TV in the background giving a speech.  :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 12:10:57 AM

The comments section on that website is literally brain poison. Just a few seconds was roughly equivalent to drinking seventy-five Bud Lights.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 12:15:21 AM

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voters25 • 13 hours ago
To him this is a big playground all his planes ,money, and all the toys while he sets back and Sorros leads him around like a puppy on a leash, the problem and the difference is puppy's are loyal

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voters25 • 13 hours ago
He acts like a 2 yr old trying to do a mans job.He is certainly a disgrace to the Americans .No wonder people don't respect us. Him and Killary need to move to a deserted island and stay and don't show there face. Both are a disgrace to USA

KILLARY

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Bcash • 12 hours ago
These are 3 different Pic's #1 black jacket white tee and white writing #2 brown tee ??? #3 Black jacket with red writing. This is all B.S.

Mariatwo  Bcash • 12 hours ago
Good observation.... Greta's team has to pay more attention... instead of running like chicken without heads calling on fire.... it is a PHOTO OP...

BOOM. BUSTED.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 12:52:41 AM

Quote from: The Business on June 05, 2014, 12:48:36 AM

Oh lawd, Obama's form is so god damned terrible. The president of the United States doesn't have a legitimate trainer?

"I think that I’m a better speechwriter than my speechwriters. I know more about policies on any particular issue than my policy directors. And I’ll tell you right now that I’m gonna think I’m a better political director than my political director."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 05, 2014, 01:41:23 AM

Nah, that was Obama circa 2008 sometime I wanna say.

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Post by: DCharlieJP on June 05, 2014, 04:16:36 AM

Homecoming canceled - the domestic terrorism is working. The rise of low IQ Fox controlled mob rule.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 08:54:54 AM

So if this guy kills himself after canceled parades and months of phone call harassment will Obama morph into Gregory Peck and shame everyone (including me to an extent) who pissed on this guy?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 09:20:07 AM

No, because Obama is not a strong leader like Putin.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2014, 09:24:15 AM

Ben Stein: "Hey guys, let me tell you how awesome Nixon was." (http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/04/opinion/stein-nixon-60s/index.html?hpt=hp_t4)

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Why did the media hate him so much? I have always thought it was because he was vulnerable and showed it when attacked. He did not have the tough hide of a Reagan or an Obama. Like the schoolyard bullies they are, the media went after him for his vulnerability.

But let's look at him with fresh eyes. Unlike LBJ, he did not get us into a large, unnecessary war on false pretenses. Unlike JFK, he did not bring call girls and courtesans into the White House or try to kill foreign leaders. Unlike FDR, he did not lead us into a war for which we were unprepared.

He helped with a coverup of a mysterious burglary that no one understands to this day. That was his grievous sin, and grievously did he answer for it. But to me, Richard Nixon will always be visionary, friend and peacemaker.

And I will never turn my back on a peacemaker.

:bow An hero :bow2

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 09:49:40 AM

Saturday Night Massacre. Enough said.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:03:32 AM

:goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:31:39 AM

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Me: “Who do you think caused families more pain—Obamacare or Osama bin Laden?”

Carson: “Let me explain.”

Williams: “Let him answer the question!”

Carson: “Things that are isolated issues as opposed to things that fundamentally change the United Sates of America and shift power from the people to the government. That is a huge shift.”

Me: “Right. But what do you think caused specific families more pain—Obamacare or Osama?”

Carson: “You have to take a long term.”

Me: “You’re not answering the question.”

Carson: "Will you listen? You have to take a long-term look at something that fundamentally changes the power structure of America. You have to be someone who reads. Who is well-read. I want you to go back tonight and pull out what Saul Alinsky says about health care under the control of the government."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-obamacare-9-11

*Late 2015 primary debate*

Host: Dr. Carson, last year you were asked whether Obamacare had done more harm to Americans than Osama Bin Laden. Your answer wasn't exactly clear but you seemed to suggest Obamacare was worse, over the long term, and that the attacks of 911 were, in your words, an isolated event. Do you still stand by that claim?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:40:02 AM

Quote from: Esch on June 05, 2014, 09:56:38 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-03/jpmorgan-s-100-billion-clo-forecast-shows-volcker-solved.html

(http://i.minus.com/iW5DXdbipCsqo.gif)

Bubububu Dodd-Frank guys. The end of too big to fail, guys.
(http://i.imgur.com/8oN0PE3.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:41:46 AM

Quote from: The Business on June 05, 2014, 10:19:19 AM

Welp, that's not surprising. It's frustrating that everything has to be needlessly partisan.

You can thank the right-wing media apparatus for that one, and blame the mainstream media for desperately trying to maintain the illusion that every issue has two equally valid stances.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:50:34 AM

Although I do wish Susan Rice and Obama didn't call this dude a "hero" who served with "distinction." I doubt that would have changed much of anything in terms of the reaction, but I could have done without that shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on June 05, 2014, 10:53:32 AM

Quote from: Esch on June 05, 2014, 09:56:38 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-03/jpmorgan-s-100-billion-clo-forecast-shows-volcker-solved.html

(http://i.minus.com/iW5DXdbipCsqo.gif)

And round and round it goes. :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 11:02:22 AM

There was a PBS doc about Obama's first term, specifically the moment when CEOs and execs gave themselves huge bonuses months after the (Bush) bailout. Obama called them to the White House...and didn't do anything. I understand not wanting to spook the market but jesus.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on June 05, 2014, 11:03:01 AM

We just need to have a couple more wars to wipe out some excess money.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 12:03:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJq0xC4c4lo

 :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2014, 02:27:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:40:02 AM

Quote from: Esch on June 05, 2014, 09:56:38 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-06-03/jpmorgan-s-100-billion-clo-forecast-shows-volcker-solved.html

(http://i.minus.com/iW5DXdbipCsqo.gif)

Bubububu Dodd-Frank guys. The end of too big to fail, guys.

Just chill the fuck out, PD. Jamie Dimon's got this.

http://www.afr.com/p/business/financial_services/let_banks_fail_says_jpmorgan_chase_HEDF8LEBsjhhjtE0b3EDyH

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2014, 02:42:17 PM

Let the banks fail, say Matt Taibbi, Jamie Dimon, and the ghost of Herbert Hoover.

Who am I to disagree with such a murderer's row of intellect?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 05, 2014, 03:09:58 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 05, 2014, 02:42:17 PM

Let the banks fail, say Matt Taibbi, Jamie Dimon, and the ghost of Herbert Hoover.

Who am I to disagree with such a murderer's row of intellect?

'

 ???

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2014, 03:12:33 PM

You probably missed it, but a few pages ago there was an outburst of "they should have let the banks fail~!~!~!" spurred by a comment Taibbi made in an interview to that effect.

Because that idea is not completely fucking idiotic or anything.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 05, 2014, 03:29:49 PM

Taibbi said that?

That's...surprising.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 05, 2014, 03:44:09 PM

Not surprising to me at all.

What's been the focus of Taibbi's writing since the collapse: empathy for those affected, or rage at those who caused it?  If someone comes up with a pithy portmanteau of "revenge" and "progressive" then Taibbi would be the poster boy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 05, 2014, 03:58:13 PM

Taibbi can summon the bile better than anyone out there but he's got a weird perspective on what banks primarily do. 

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 04:18:29 PM

Taibbi  just wants to watch the world burn, he doesn't seem concerned about who would get fucked as long as the bad guys go down with the ship.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 06:06:30 PM

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MANU RAJU, POLITICO: Looking back at the way this was rolled out, do you think the White House could have been a better job looping in Congress during these negotiations?

SEN. HARRY REID: Listen, Manu [Raju], and everyone here, the timeline was very, very brief here. This has nothing to do with briefing this down in the classified briefing. We all know that the president had a very short period of time to make a decision. He made the decision to bring him home, and I'm glad he did because in my opinion, based on nothing in the classified briefing, in my opinion, every day that he was there was a day closer to his dying.

RAJU: How come you were the only one who got a heads-up the day before?

REID: I'm not sure I'm the only one. I mean, this is making a big deal over nothing. The whole deal, is it Friday or Saturday? What difference does it make? What difference does it make?

:obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 07:50:32 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/05/1304715/-Racist-Fox-News-guest-attacks-Neil-deGrasse-Tyson-because-he-fit-the-profile
:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on June 05, 2014, 08:33:26 PM

Attack on Rush Limbaugh

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/xHAxl3m.jpg)

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 09:30:20 PM

The best part about the Bergdahl outrage is that only just a few months ago a lot of these same people were ripping Obama for "leaving Bergdahl behind." :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 09:48:28 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 05, 2014, 09:34:11 PM

When I see someone write shit like "Bergdahl looks healthy enough. Another lie from our imperial liar in chief" I feel the urge to throw a haymaker rising.

Dude was a captive and could be killed at any minute. Unless we're supposed to believe the Taliban isn't dangerous

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:09:11 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 05, 2014, 09:09:27 PM

I've never been more disgusted with hyper polarized, 24 hour punditry in modern America than I have since the Bergdahl release.

Before this it was annoying. This crap is so offensive I've been in more or less a constant state of rage since it started.

Relax, Obama is only in office for a couple more years. Then we'll hopefully have somebody strong on foreign policy like Ted Cruz. And Majority Leader Rubio and Speaker Ryan to help back him up rather than capitulating to terrorists.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2014, 10:09:27 PM

Fox News: 'Secret Documents' Claim Bergdahl Became A 'Warrior' For Islam
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-news-bergdahl-converted-to-islam

SECRET DOCUMENTS

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:15:32 PM

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U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.

What the fuck does that mean? An eye witness came to Fox News, wrote down what he saw, and Fox News declared it a "document?" That sounds deceptive as hell.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2014, 10:17:30 PM

Yep!

Fair warning: don't read the comments on the linked Fox story.  You'll go crazy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:18:15 PM

I would assume they mean it was an eyewitness account recorded by the military/intelligence/etc. kinda like in police reports, but for foreign jihadi's.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2014, 10:19:14 PM

Sample: "The only difference between Obama and Bergdhal is that Obama didn't need to convert."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2014, 10:22:27 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on June 05, 2014, 10:09:27 PM

Fox News: 'Secret Documents' Claim Bergdahl Became A 'Warrior' For Islam
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-news-bergdahl-converted-to-islam

SECRET DOCUMENTS

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secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account

(http://i.imgur.com/KUnFzP5.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2014, 10:25:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:15:32 PM

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U.S. Army Sgt. Bowe Bergdahl at one point during his captivity converted to Islam, fraternized openly with his captors and declared himself a "mujahid," or warrior for Islam, according to secret documents prepared on the basis of a purported eyewitness account and obtained by Fox News.

What the fuck does that mean? An eye witness came to Fox News, wrote down what he saw, and Fox News declared it a "document?" That sounds deceptive as hell.

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These real-time dispatches were generated by the Eclipse Group, a shadowy private firm of former intelligence officers and operatives that has subcontracted with the Defense Department and prominent corporations to deliver granular intelligence on terrorist activities and other security-related topics, often from challenging environments in far-flung corners of the globe.

The group is run by Duane R. ("Dewey") Clarridge, a former senior operations officer for the Central Intelligence Agency in the 1980s best known for having been indicted for lying to Congress about his role in the tangled set of events that became known as the Iran-Contra scandal. He was pardoned by the first President Bush in December 1992 while on trial.

Hope this clears it up, PD.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2014, 10:26:03 PM

This guy is Fox's source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Clarridge#Post-CIA_career

Note this part: "He has claimed that he had no involvement in the later illegal diversion of funds to the Contras or the subsequent cover-up. Clarridge was indicted in November 1991 on seven counts of perjury and false statements. On Christmas Eve 1992 in the waning hours of his presidency, George H. W. Bush pardoned Clarridge before his trial could finish. At the same time, Bush pardoned five of Clarridge's associates in the Iran-Contra Affair including former Defense Secretary Caspar Weinberger, Elliott Abrams, a former assistant secretary of state for Inter-American affairs; former National Security Advisor Robert McFarlane; and former CIA employees Alan Fiers and Clair George."

After that he formed The Eclipse Group that Fox cites as their source.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:37:10 PM

Basically they're the outsourced source gatherers. So you have the same thing as any situation where you call on people to report things. You get all the locals who come in and tell you whatever they think they want you to hear or whatever wild story they saw while drinking or something to get one over on their neighbor. The field office knows 90+% of it is bullshit but they record it anyway and send it in.

I assume that's the SECRET DOCUMENT Fox has, is one of those reports on all the dumb stories they got told by their sources that week or whatever.

Standard disclaimer about the quality of ANY eyewitness testimony too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:38:41 PM

If I was captured by the Taliban and they said they'd let me out of my cage if I converted to Islam and said I was mujahid warrior, I'd probably do it, too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:40:30 PM

Well the job is done, the FUD has been spread. You say "secret documents" and it's a wrap. Anything that happens from now is either escalation (ie legit bad stuff is revealed) or a "coverup" (Obama lied and got away with it).

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:42:19 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:38:41 PM

If I was captured by the Taliban and they said they'd let me out of my cage if I converted to Islam and said I was mujahid warrior, I'd probably do it, too.

I thought dogs were supposed to be loyal.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2014, 10:44:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:40:30 PM

Well the job is done, the FUD has been spread. You say "secret documents" and it's a wrap. Anything that happens from now is either escalation (ie legit bad stuff is revealed) or a "coverup" (Obama lied and got away with it).

Yep, this is the "truth" now.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:47:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:42:19 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:38:41 PM

If I was captured by the Taliban and they said they'd let me out of my cage if I converted to Islam and said I was mujahid warrior, I'd probably do it, too.

I thought dogs were supposed to be loyal.

Dogs also don't like being in cages.

Quote from: TVC 15 on June 05, 2014, 10:44:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 10:40:30 PM

Well the job is done, the FUD has been spread. You say "secret documents" and it's a wrap. Anything that happens from now is either escalation (ie legit bad stuff is revealed) or a "coverup" (Obama lied and got away with it).

Yep, this is the "truth" now.

It really is sickening. Bergdahl isn't even back on American soil yet, he hasn't said a single word about what happened, but he's already been forever branded as a coward and a traitor and a Taliban-sympathizer.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:50:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:47:00 PM

It really is sickening. Bergdahl isn't even back on American soil yet, he hasn't said a single word about what happened, but he's already been forever branded as a coward and a traitor and a Taliban-sympathizer.

Uh, look at his dad's beard. I think we know the actual story here already.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TVC15 on June 05, 2014, 10:57:16 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:50:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 05, 2014, 10:47:00 PM

It really is sickening. Bergdahl isn't even back on American soil yet, he hasn't said a single word about what happened, but he's already been forever branded as a coward and a traitor and a Taliban-sympathizer.

Uh, look at his dad's beard. I think we know the actual story here already.

They psychically decided to become muslims at the same time?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 10:58:58 PM

That it was all planned beforehand, probably by Valerie Jarrett and Susan Rice, so they could "rescue" him later after he's given all the terrorists fist bumps.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 05, 2014, 11:11:24 PM

Speaking of Susan Rice:

Quote from: Steve King

#Susan Rice lied 2 American people again (#Bergdahl "taken in battle") Looks like both sides swapees & negotiators are working for Al Qaeda.

http://crooksandliars.com/2014/06/steve-king-states-susan-rice-working-al

I just have two questions:

1. Uh, that whole Bin Laden thing?
2. Ambassador Rice is part of Al Qaeda but Ambassador Stevens wasn't?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2014, 11:12:53 PM

If you play audio from his dad's interview backwards, you can hear him say "Islam is the light".

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 11:13:48 PM

I will say this: you'd think by now they would recognize that Susan Rice+interview don't go well together. Not only did she call him a hero who served with distinction, she also said he was "taken" in battle. At what point do you just say "ok, just stop."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 05, 2014, 11:25:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 11:13:48 PM

I will say this: you'd think by now they would recognize that Susan Rice+interview don't go well together. Not only did she call him a hero who served with distinction, she also said he was "taken" in battle. At what point do you just say "ok, just stop."

Oh come on. What she said in regards to Bergdahl sounds like a clumsy attempt to make him sound more impressive than he actually was. Hardly anything to fire her about. And the dude WAS captured by Taliban forces.

And finally, she didn't say anything wrong with BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! either.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2014, 11:27:29 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 05, 2014, 11:25:33 PM

And finally, she didn't say anything wrong with BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! either.

We don't know that yet, the House hasn't completed its investigation.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 11:46:56 PM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118006/bowe-bergdahl-perspective-marine-afghanistan?utm_content=buffer2ba7c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2014, 08:42:22 AM

Secret documents is the new "some people say".

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2014, 08:58:49 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 06, 2014, 08:42:22 AM

Secret documents is the new "some people say".

Experts are saying that some people say they are privy to secret documents that show Bergdahl is a traitor, according to social media.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2014, 01:42:45 PM

Quote

The legislation would allow veterans to see private doctors outside the VA system if they experience long wait times or live more than 40 miles from a VA facility. And it incorporates provisions from legislation introduced in the Senate by Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) making it easier to fire VA officials.

Similar legislation overwhelmingly passed the House last month and is included in the Sanders-McCain deal with the addition of an appellate process.

The bill also includes the construction of 26 new VA medical facilities in 18 states and uses $500 million in unobligated VA funds to hire additional VA doctors and nurses.

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/bernie-sanders-john-mccain-va-deal-107491.html#ixzz33sgbUtEr

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H3DwCpjio9g

Good to hear, and something I figured would happen. There was no way midterms would pass without some type of bipartisan take on this. I've never understood why vets have to use the VA, especially in cases where they're miles away from a facility.

I know people who work at the VA, they work hard and aren't assholes. However as in any facility there are people who are just collecting checks, and higher up folks who don't give a shit about anything but collecting checks.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2014, 01:55:28 PM

How different is it from the plan that was submitted in February that was killed in the house? It looks like it is the same one.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 06, 2014, 06:08:03 PM

Doomed.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iowa-senate-poll-ernst-lead-loras

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 06, 2014, 09:14:34 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 06, 2014, 06:08:03 PM

Doomed.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/iowa-senate-poll-ernst-lead-loras

You weren't being sarcastic.  :goty2 :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2014, 09:41:57 PM

Poll presumes the same turn out as 2010 election, which was grasslys guaranteed victory not an open seat, has the rally round the winner effect. It was literally taken the day after all people heard on Iowa news was Ernst name. But doom and gloom all you want.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:teehee

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2014, 09:43:52 PM

Braly will probably be fine. Iowa's economy is doing, although the state has REALLY soured on Obama still. He's running against someone who is going to almost certainly be saying outrageous shit once a month.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 06, 2014, 10:22:34 PM

Why has no one mentioned jerbs numbers?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 06, 2014, 10:36:35 PM

Sovereign Citizen shot up a courthouse in Georgia:

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/police-activity-around-forsyth-courthouse/ngFsZ/

Time to start profiling White people!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2014, 03:49:08 AM

reason interview with Mother Jones editor Daniel Schulman author of Sons of Wichita: How the Koch Brothers Became America’s Most Powerful and Private Dynasty:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDsqwf7PEwM

WaPo article by Schulman from a couple weeks ago: http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-koch-brothers-can-save-the-republican-party%E2%80%94by-making-it-more-moderate/2014/05/23/e07f4a60-e1bf-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html (http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-koch-brothers-can-save-the-republican-party%E2%80%94by-making-it-more-moderate/2014/05/23/e07f4a60-e1bf-11e3-8dcc-d6b7fede081a_story.html)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2014, 11:49:45 AM

Common Core sounds pretty awesome, I wish we had that when I was in school. :drool

(Skip ahead to 8:00 in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbBTzgc-PI4&sns=em

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 07, 2014, 11:56:28 AM

Oh man, what if 17-year-olds find about sex from reading this book?!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2014, 02:24:43 PM

shitting on Toni Morrison is fine with me
:yeshrug

Beloved :piss2

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 07, 2014, 10:35:10 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/l0A5MzH.jpg)

 :ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2014, 12:36:25 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2014, 11:49:45 AM

Common Core sounds pretty awesome, I wish we had that when I was in school. :drool

(Skip ahead to 8:00 in)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbBTzgc-PI4&sns=em

They should replace the book passages with his version.  :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 06:24:01 PM

I tend to stay away from Media Matters shit but I have to make an exception today

Quote

MCINNES: I hate this guy [...] White liberal nerds love this guy so much, he could defecate on them like Martin Bashir's fantasies and they would dance in the streets. All he does is, he's drunk with adulation. And he talks about things like "when I was young in New York I would get racially profiled when I'd go into stores." Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors. He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and New York was a war zone. Sorry, you fit the profile.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/05/meet-the-hipster-racist-fox-news-guest-attackin/199617

 :mindblown

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2014, 06:26:59 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Ti72bkv.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 08, 2014, 06:36:01 PM

who woulda guessed that the co-founder of vice would be a bro-ed out hipster douche?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2014, 06:59:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 06:24:01 PM

I tend to stay away from Media Matters shit but I have to make an exception today

Quote

MCINNES: I hate this guy [...] White liberal nerds love this guy so much, he could defecate on them like Martin Bashir's fantasies and they would dance in the streets. All he does is, he's drunk with adulation. And he talks about things like "when I was young in New York I would get racially profiled when I'd go into stores." Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors. He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and New York was a war zone. Sorry, you fit the profile.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/05/meet-the-hipster-racist-fox-news-guest-attackin/199617

 :mindblown

Not that I don't agree with you about this guy being a total loon, but Red Eye is an attempt by Fox News to do their own version of the Daily Show. Largely it fails spectacularly, though, since conservatives have no real understanding of how to make satire work.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 08, 2014, 07:09:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 06:24:01 PM

I tend to stay away from Media Matters shit but I have to make an exception today

Quote

MCINNES: I hate this guy [...] White liberal nerds love this guy so much, he could defecate on them like Martin Bashir's fantasies and they would dance in the streets. All he does is, he's drunk with adulation. And he talks about things like "when I was young in New York I would get racially profiled when I'd go into stores." Back then he looked like he was in The Warriors. He had a huge afro and a cutoff shirt and New York was a war zone. Sorry, you fit the profile.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/06/05/meet-the-hipster-racist-fox-news-guest-attackin/199617

 :mindblown

Wasn't that posted already? On the last page? By you?

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2014, 07:50:32 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/05/1304715/-Racist-Fox-News-guest-attacks-Neil-deGrasse-Tyson-because-he-fit-the-profile
:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2014, 07:29:37 PM

:dead

fuck it, I'm going to CVS to get some snacks.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 08, 2014, 07:38:55 PM

It's a'ight PD. I've done it once or twice myself.

Oblivion still loves you :heartbeat

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 08, 2014, 08:09:03 PM

McInnes should be hanged for his crimes against the United States - he obviously fits this profile

(http://www.kcl.ac.uk/ImportedImages/Schools/SSPP/DSD/idmh.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2014, 11:14:49 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 08, 2014, 06:59:59 PM

but Red Eye is an attempt by Fox News to do their own version of the Daily Show.

I'd say it's more a version of Politically Incorrect/Real Time/Tough Crowd. Since it's a panel show and always has been. It used to interview guests about their projects a tiny bit, then they got rid of most of the guests with projects that you can interview them about.

The end of the remotes was the true end of an era.  :'(

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 08:41:58 AM

Quote

Report: GOPers Persuade Virginia Dem To Resign In Effort To Block Medicaid Expansion

Republicans in Virginia have reportedly persuaded state Sen. Phillip P. Puckett (D) to resign and accept a prestigious job offer, giving the GOP a slim majority in the state Senate that would allow it to block Medicaid expansion.

Puckett is expected to announce his resignation Monday, The Washington Post reported. Three people familiar with the plan told the Post that Puckett would accept a job as deputy director of the state tobacco commission, while his daughter would be on track for appointment to a judgeship.

Puckett’s resignation would leave Democrats one vote shy of a majority in the state Senate. Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) was counting on Senate support for Medicaid expansion, as the Republican-controlled House of Delegates has remained opposed to it.

McAuliffe said in a statement that Puckett’s resignation created “uncertainty” for his plan to expand Medicaid.

“I am deeply disappointed by this news and the uncertainty it creates at a time when 400,000 Virginians are waiting for access to quality health care, especially those in Southwest Virginia,” the governor said, as quoted by the Post. “This situation is unacceptable, but the bipartisan majority in the Senate and I will continue to work hard to put Virginians first and find compromise on a budget that closes the coverage gap.”

Del. Terry G. Kilgore (R), the chairman of the state tobacco commission, disputed that Puckett was resigning in exchange for the deputy director position while acknowledging that Puckett's resignation made him available for the job.

“If he’s available, we would like to have him because of his knowledge of the area, and he formerly was on the tobacco commission for years, and he knew what we’re about,” Kilgore told the Post.

Puckett did not respond to the Post’s requests for comment.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-philip-puckett-resigning-virginia-gop-medicaid (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/report-philip-puckett-resigning-virginia-gop-medicaid)

Wow, that's some slick shit.

It's rather hard to feel bad for McAuliffe given his criticisms of Obama's inability to work with republicans solely because he isn't sociable; it plays a role but isn't the deciding factor. McAuliffe has been schmoozing republicans Clinton-style for months, has hosted multiple parties, yet can't get a single one to support this.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2014, 08:52:40 AM

Democrats would be the worst thing ever if it weren't for the Republicans. BUT WHATCHA GONNA DO?!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 10:03:44 AM

Basically a band-aid but that's better than nothing for millions of people. I like Warren's refinancing plan, too bad it won't pass the senate or house  :-\

I have no idea how to cut education costs but until that is done this problem will just get bigger. Although IMO people should just throw universities in the bushes and go to community colleges for a couple years, get a scholarship, and transfer to a uni as a junior :obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 10:21:50 AM

5mil is enough to have some stimulative impact, in terms of people having more money to spend buying stuff instead of paying student loans.

also: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/las-vegas-shooters-bundy-ranch
who didn't see this coming

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2014, 10:37:44 AM

#NotAllWhitePeople

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 09, 2014, 10:42:00 AM

Damn, I'm a little surprised that my debt is actually UNDER the average in Ohio.  Shit's not as bad as I thought.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2014, 12:38:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 10:21:50 AM

5mil is enough to have some stimulative impact, in terms of people having more money to spend buying stuff instead of paying student loans.

also: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/las-vegas-shooters-bundy-ranch
who didn't see this coming

Quote

Carol Bundy, the Nevada rancher's wife, told the newspaper she had no reason to suspect that militia members at the ranch harbored violent intentions.

“I have not seen or heard anything from the militia and others who have came to our ranch that would, in any way, make me think they had an intent to kill or harm anyone,” Bundy told the Review-Journal.

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2014, 01:55:30 PM

 I just...I just can't. :deadpos

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 09, 2014, 04:05:22 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/alex-jones-thinks-government-staged-alex-jones-fans-vegas-shooting/

Quote

“There is so much proof of this being staged yesterday, when I first read about it, and this morning, that my mind exploded with hundreds of data points, and quite frankly it’s conclusive,” Jones said, before outlining why he believes this event is one in a long line of similar “false flag” operations perpetrated by the Democrats.

Quote

The difference between the Las Vegas event and others that Jones has declared “false flag” is that Jerad Miller was a self-described Alex Jones fan. Not only did Miller “like” Jones on Facebook, but he consistently posted links to InfoWars.com on his page and once promoted the site to his friends by saying, “get informed or get stupid.” In one video he laments that his family has not awoken to the dangers of the “New World Order,” something of which Jones frequently warns.

Blame the government for your own incitement, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 04:12:18 PM

I'd love to ask these guys if there is ever a non-false flag major shooting or domestic terror event. EVERYTHING is automatically labeled a false flag by them.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 09, 2014, 04:31:25 PM

Didn't Jones tweet something about the boston bombings being a FALSE FLAG like literally minutes after it happened?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2014, 05:43:05 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on June 09, 2014, 04:31:25 PM

Didn't Jones tweet something about the boston bombings being a FALSE FLAG like literally minutes after it happened?

I can't verify that, but he almost certainly did.

At some point, you've just got to take a step back and ask whether you're even living in the real world anymore, and Alex Jones definitely isn't.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2014, 06:01:37 PM

If these shootings are all false flags designed to get draconian gun regulations in place, they've got a really shitty ROI so far.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2014, 06:12:09 PM

The Righties are absolving themselves by claiming that this dude was a socialist. Why? Because he was a neo-nazi. And we all know what Nazi stands for. :smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 06:30:15 PM

Quote

Virginia Tobacco Panel Cancels Meeting On Lawmaker's Job Prospect Amid Resignation Controversy

Virginia State Sen. Phillip Puckett (D) was supposed to get a job at the tobacco commission after he resigned from the legislature on Monday. But under a cloud of controversy about potentially improper behavior on his part, the commission has canceled its meeting this week set up solely to discuss the idea of hiring him, the Richmond Times-Dispatch reported.

House Del. Terry Kilgore (R), the chair of the tobacco commission, told TriCities.com in an article published Sunday that Puckett would be "a great asset" and a "perfect fit" for a job with the panel.

Puckett's resignation flips control of the Senate to Republicans by a 20-19 margin, paving the way for them to pass a budget that excludes a Democrat-endorsed expansion of Medicaid under Obamacare.

The immediate pushback and suggestions that Republicans enticed him to resign with the tobacco post compelled Puckett to take himself out of the running for the job, the Washington Post reported on Monday afternoon.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-puckett-tobacco-commission-cancels-meeting

sell out and don't get paid, brehs :lol

Now he's saying he doesn't even want the job, which is no longer being offered. Meanwhile 400,000 Virginians will go without health insurance. Unless the governor can create the exchange by executive order, which might be legal apparently.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2014, 06:33:33 PM

Wouldn't surprise me if this was what they intended to do all along. :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2014, 06:42:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2014, 06:01:37 PM

If these shootings are all false flags designed to get draconian gun regulations in place, they've got a really shitty ROI so far.

Well it's not like liberals are known for their business acumen.  :paul

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2014, 09:47:34 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2014, 06:01:37 PM

If these shootings are all false flags designed to get draconian gun regulations in place, they've got a really shitty ROI so far.

Huh, would have thought you of all people would understand an evil plot that looks like a nearly endless series of setbacks.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2014, 09:59:12 PM

I assume that's a reference to...  I actually have no idea.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 09, 2014, 11:28:31 PM

The Bundy clan claiming they kicked these dudes out because they were too "extreme" doesn't really pass the smell test. After all, the genius who came up with the idea of using women and children as human shields is still welcome on the ranch to this day.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2014, 11:54:21 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 09, 2014, 11:28:31 PM

The Bundy clan claiming they kicked these dudes out because they were too "extreme" doesn't really pass the smell test. After all, the genius who came up with the idea of using women and children as human shields is still welcome on the ranch to this day.

Hold on, didn't Mama Bundy just say nobody on the ranch ever threatened any violence?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2014, 11:55:20 PM

http://www.nationaljournal.com/domesticpolicy/obama-s-thankfully-dictatorial-approach-to-climate-change-20140606

 :comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 10, 2014, 12:16:48 AM

Holy crap, there is not a single video over at Fox News where they covered this shooter. :rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2014, 02:12:35 AM

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/06/6-9-2014-2-33-12-PM.png) (http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/06/6-9-2014-2-33-32-PM.png) (http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/06/6-9-2014-2-34-05-PM.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/06/6-9-2014-2-33-48-PM.png) (http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/06/6-9-2014-2-34-22-PM.png) (http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/06/6-9-2014-2-35-18-PM.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:34:54 AM

Not a fan of this but let's be real: if this dude had died in the hands of the Taliban, Fox and republicans would be calling for investigations, hearings, impeachment, etc.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2014, 11:50:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:34:54 AM

Not a fan of this but let's be real: if this dude had died in the hands of the Taliban, Fox and republicans would be calling for investigations, hearings, impeachment, etc.

Of course they would, they were already bashing Obama for not doing anything to get him released and talking about how Obama was going to abandon him when the rest of the troops in Afghanistan pulled out. The man at the center of this and the facts surrounding his capture are absolutely secondary to the Right Wing having another hammer to bash Obama with, and it's the same way with Benghazi.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 11:53:02 AM

They'd be saying "I know there was a deal on the table to trade Taliban fighters, and while I have reservations...we should have done it if the only alternative was a US solder being killed behind enemy lines. The fact that Obama didn't make the deal tells me everything he thinks about the US military. They're not your toys, Mr. President."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 12:58:38 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/hatzius-says-economy-is-growing-at-above-trend-rate-2014-6#ixzz34BkSwvb7

all hail the next big credit disaster
:rejoice

sucks for Hillary, the implosion will happen on her watch (second term)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 10, 2014, 08:14:57 PM

Cantor just got primaried. THAT'S WHAT YOU GET, RINOS.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cantor-may-just-lose-his-primary-fight-with-tea-partier

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 10, 2014, 08:18:11 PM

:dead :deadpos :dead :dead :deadpos :dead :dead :deadpos :dead :dead :deadpos :dead :deadpos :dead :deadpos :dead :dead :deadpos :dead :deadpos :dead :deadpos :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 10, 2014, 08:20:58 PM

Mandark's people taking a big L on this one.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 08:43:26 PM

holy shit  :lol

Drudge's headline pic:
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 :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2014, 08:47:27 PM

Such a shanda fur die goyim.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 08:49:09 PM

Did Obama rig this election to change the subject from Berghdal and the VA?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 10, 2014, 08:57:42 PM

Republican party death knell.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 08:58:27 PM

Can Cantor demand a trial by combat?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2014, 09:12:31 PM

Does David Brat inherit his @GOPLeader twitter account?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2014, 09:13:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/vUCXiOp.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on June 10, 2014, 09:25:35 PM

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An internal poll by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's (R-VA) re-election campaign had him with a 34-point lead over primary opponent economics professor David Brat.

:lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 10, 2014, 10:49:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 08:58:27 PM

Can Cantor demand a trial by combat?

Who is he gonna pick as his champion? Ann Coulter? O'reilly? Joe the Plumber?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 10:59:49 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 10, 2014, 10:49:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2014, 08:58:27 PM

Can Cantor demand a trial by combat?

Who is he gonna pick as his champion? Ann Coulter? O'reilly? Joe the Plumber?

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/811195/thumbs/s-PAUL-RYAN-WORKOUT-large640.jpg?6)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 10, 2014, 11:10:55 PM

:ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2014, 11:56:11 PM

Quote from: The Business on June 10, 2014, 11:52:51 PM

Chicken legs

Ryan skipped leg day.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 11, 2014, 09:34:15 AM

The White Garter Snake

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2014, 09:51:43 AM

This is the guy that beat Cantor:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-brat-chuck-todd-minimum-wage-syria

"Let me ask you a few other issue questions. Where are you on the minimum wage? Do you believe in it and would you raise it?" Todd asked.

"Minimum wage, no, I'm a free market guy," Brat responded. "Our labor markets right now are already distorted from too many regulations. I think Cato estimates there's $2 trillion of regulatory problems and then throw Obamacare on top of that, the work hours is 30 hours a week. You can only hire 50 people. There's just distortion after distortion after distortion and we wonder why our labor markets are broken."

Todd then pressed Brat on the question.

"Um, I don't have a well-crafted response on that one," Brat finally conceded. "All I know is if you take the long-run graph over 200 years of the wage rate, it cannot differ from your nation's productivity. Right? So you can't make up wage rates."

The exchange was pretty similar when Brat was asked about arming Syrian rebels.

"On a foreign policy issue, arming the Syrian rebels. Would you be in favor of that?" Todd asked.

"Hey, Chuck, I thought we were just going to chat today about the celebratory aspects," Brat said. "I'd love to go through all of this but my mind is — I love all the policy questions but I just wanted to talk about the victory ahead and I wanted to thank everybody that worked so hard on my campaign. I'm happy to take policy issues at any time, I just wanted to call out a thanks to everybody today."

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 11, 2014, 09:58:05 AM

So we are gonna tie the minimum wage to worker productivity, nice. $25 minimum wage!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2014, 10:22:09 AM

I think I pulled an eye muscle rolling my eyes so much today reading all these reax to Cantor being ousted. All these grandiose generalizations and hand-wringing over what amounts to about 20,000+ people in rural Virgina.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 11, 2014, 10:25:48 AM

Brat is a Randroid, so you're gonna get Randroid answers out of him. The fact that he's dumb and incurious about the world outside of his own distorted belief system should really surprise no one.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 11, 2014, 10:42:45 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 11, 2014, 10:38:49 AM

He's an econ professor, so hopefully he'll at least be a voice of sanity when it comes to stuff like the debt ceiling.

What part of "he's a Randroid" did you not understand?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 11, 2014, 10:44:52 AM

That's ok, he's being replaced by a guy whose works include “God and Advanced Mammon: Can Theological Types Handle Usury and Capitalism?” and “An Analysis of the Moral Foundations in Ayn Rand.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 11, 2014, 11:08:56 AM

Quote from: Esch on June 11, 2014, 10:52:59 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/eric-cantor-blew-168k-steak-houses-brat-spent-122k-overall-n128126

ether

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He went one further in an interview with Fox News, which was reported by the Wall Street Journal, claiming that "God acted through people on my behalf - it's an unbelievable miracle."

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Minimum wage, no, I'm a free market guy

So Christian like. Another supply side Jesus worshiper. :shaq2

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 11, 2014, 02:47:27 PM

I still can't get over the most punchable face in politics losing to some supply side Jesus nutter.  Imagine working your whole life to get to be the speaker of the house and getting shit on in a party primary by a dude who raised less money than your steak budget.   :tocry

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2014, 02:54:33 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/louie-gohmert-debates-reverend-christianity

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) on Tuesday repeatedly confronted a faith leader -- who also happens to be a noted church-state separatist -- about his Christian beliefs during a House Judiciary Committee hearing on religious freedom.

“Do you believe in sharing the good news that will keep people from going to hell, consistent with the Christian beliefs?” Gohmert asked Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director for Americans United for the Separation of Church and State.

Lynn responded that he wouldn't agree with Gohmert's "construction of what hell is like or why one gets there." When Gohmert pressed him to say whether he believed people "would go to hell if they do not believe Jesus is the way," Lynn again answered that he thinks failing to ascribe to a certain set of Christian beliefs doesn't necessarily doom a person to hell.

"No, not a set of ideas," Gohmert insisted. "Either you believe as a Christian that Jesus is the way, the truth, or life, or you don’t."

“Congressman, what I believe is not necessarily what I think ought to justify the creation of public policy for everybody,” Lynn countered. “For the 2,000 different religions that exist in this country, the 25 million non-believers. I’ve never been offended. I’ve never been ashamed to share my belief."

Lynn then recounted how he spoke recently at an American Athiests conference, where he said he made it clear that he was a Christian minister even though he was in attendance to talk about the Constitution. Gohmert apparently took that response as support for Christianity a la carte.

“So, the Christian belief as you see it is whatever you choose to think about Christ, whether or not you believe those words he said that nobody basically ‘goes to heaven except through me,’” he concluded.

(http://i.imgur.com/fFBe3pM.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2014, 03:04:37 PM

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“So just to be clear, you think we should execute homosexuals (presumably by stoning)?” another commenter asked.

"I think we would be totally in the right to do it," Esk replied. "That goes against some parts of libertarianism, I realize, and I’m largely libertarian, but ignoring as a nation things that are worthy of death is very remiss.”

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2014, 03:12:05 PM

He's right, it does. I like that honesty, will vote for him.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on June 11, 2014, 04:59:12 PM

Islamic fundamentalism isn't that bad, tbh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2014, 05:07:13 PM

Quote from: kingkitty on June 11, 2014, 04:59:12 PM

Islamic fundamentalism isn't that bad, tbh.

It's basically what most conservatives want anyway, they just use a different word for God.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2014, 10:08:22 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 11, 2014, 10:22:09 AM

I think I pulled an eye muscle rolling my eyes so much today reading all these reax to Cantor being ousted. All these grandiose generalizations and hand-wringing over what amounts to about 20,000+ people in rural Virgina.

He was media friendly and acceptable. Paul Ryan would get the same treatment no matter how many grannies he had pushed off a cliff in the years prior.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2014, 11:50:18 PM

Again, this comes back to the fundamental question: what do these guys want Obama to do? What, we gonna send troops to all these countries? Drone squadrons? Hand out free weapons? Getting heavily involved in just two countries stretched us incredibly thin and those two countries are hardly beacons of freedom right now, and at least one of them is inarguably worse for us having gone there in force.

But seriously, though, screw these neocons. They propped up the Cowboy President for 8 years and we got absolutely nothing good out of it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2014, 11:58:14 PM

And there's no way we'd even be able to manage a "Coalition of the Willing" this time around, either, since we exhausted everybody the first time and even the UK can't be bothered to care about Iraq anymore.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2014, 01:56:44 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2014, 11:58:14 PM

And there's no way we'd even be able to manage a "Coalition of the Willing" this time around, either

Aha! So you admit Obama has made relations with other nations even worse!

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2014, 02:17:31 AM

Once the public learns about Benghazi and Bergdahlgazi it'll be a landslide for the GOP candidate.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2014, 09:04:49 AM

Cain/Carson ticket FTW, Allen West for Secretary of Defense.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 12, 2014, 09:08:00 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 12, 2014, 02:08:57 AM

I do laugh when I read right wingers say stuff like "Just two more years." As if there's any chance the next president will be Republican

Don't underestimate Rick Perry. He's learned his lessons from the last campaign and is poised to capture the hearts of all Americans!

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"Whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you have the ability to decide not to do that," Perry said (in San Francisco). "I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way."

Ummm  ...


http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/In-S-F-Rick-Perry-compares-homosexuality-to-5546544.php

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 12, 2014, 09:12:14 AM

You can't fix gun violence but you can fix teh gays.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2014, 01:36:56 PM

Quote from: Esch on June 12, 2014, 01:24:45 PM

young voters for midterms.

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2014, 01:47:01 PM

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Republicans...accused Democrats of playing politics by highlighting an issue that was bound to fail.

50 votes to repeal Obamacare :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 02:11:46 PM

you've gotta be quite a pos to blame the implosion of Iraq on Obama. Their army was "trained" for what, a fucking decade? Republicans are literally demanding Obama answer the parents of fallen US soldiers, and why the "gains" they sacrificed their lives for were lost.

If Obama had any balls he'd straight up say "those sacrifices should never have been made in a war that should have have been waged, and those who authorized it should be ashamed of themselves."

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 02:26:48 PM

To be fair the bill was doomed due to being funded by the Buffet Rule. Maybe it would have passed if they came up with a bipartisan way to fund it.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 12, 2014, 02:27:34 PM

Let's not forget that Obama wanted to stay past 2011, but the Iraqi government rejected it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2014, 04:18:30 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 12, 2014, 02:19:46 PM

Do they really have to filibuster everything? Can't these guys just let some bills pass with 55 or 56 votes, or whatever? They can still say they voted no.

Letting Democrats pass a bill through the Senate is just as bad as voting Yes on it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2014, 05:26:55 PM

Kentucky: Obamacare cut uninsured rate in half
http://acasignups.net/14/06/12/kentucky-obamacare-cut-uninsured-rate-half

This is why I can't take Angry Fork and other absolutists seriously. If you can't admit the law, corporate giveaway and all, is helping a shit ton of people you're a fool.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on June 12, 2014, 11:36:35 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 12, 2014, 12:16:31 PM

What I've read a lot lately is something like "Maybe in January 2017, we can go back to bring a prestigious nation again. I only fear that the current president has done so much damage that no one will be able to fix it."

I laugh, because it's clear they've chosen to forget just how much disdain a lot of people had for the US from about 2003 until 2008.

The fucking country was a pile of smoldering ash when he took office, it was next to impossible for anything to get worse besides WWIII breaking out.  ::)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2014, 11:39:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlzzjk3KTs4

 :gurl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2014, 11:42:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2014, 11:39:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlzzjk3KTs4

 :gurl

:umad

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 13, 2014, 06:02:36 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2014, 01:47:01 PM

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Republicans...accused Democrats of playing politics by highlighting an issue that was bound to fail.

So...the Democrats are secret Republicans?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 10:49:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kRZmCZy7yo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1W5ndaevRuo

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SEN. JOHN McCAIN (R-AZ): Well, the fact is that the president is now deciding saying that there's no option. I'm sure you saw the reports where two Iranian Quds Force, their elite battalions, have moved into Iraq. This has turned into one of the most serious threats to American security in recent history. There is now the Syria/Iraq area, the largest area ever of radical islamist extremism. They are moving back and forth between Syria and Iraq. Our failure to help the resistance in Iraq, our failure to give these people the help they needed when we could have gotten rid of Bashir Assad, those chickens are coming home to roost as well. So what does it mean to the American people? It means that we are now facing an existential threat to the security of the United States of America.

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McCAIN: I think you are confused because you didn’t know what happened with the surge where we basically had the country pacified. We had a stable government in Baghdad, and we had the conflict basically — for all intents and purposes — won. We still got troops in Bosnia, a residual force would have stabilized the country. Most military experts will tell you that. So I’m sorry about your confusion, but the facts on the ground were that al Qaeda had been defeated almost completely and with the residual American force and at that time, a strong Iraq. Now, [Iraqi PM Nouri] al-Maliki is very weak. Maliki got worse after we left. And again, I knew this was going to happen, because we didn’t leave that force behind. And so I’m sorry about your confusion, but anybody who was there will tell you we had the conflict won.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 13, 2014, 10:54:59 AM

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So what does it mean to the American people? It means that we are now facing an existential threat to the security of the United States of America.

 :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 11:02:47 AM

Chickens are coming home to roost.

If only we had invaded every single nation in the world, we could have kept this won.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2014, 11:07:53 AM

Grandpa Walnuts conveniently overlooks the 2011 Iraqi Parliament's nearly unanimous vote to kick us out of the country, I see.  :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 11:11:13 AM

My favorite part is when Mika or whoever starts listing all the Middle Eastern countries and McCain's like yep, yep invade or bomb 'em all.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2014, 11:16:47 AM

Get lectured on serious matters of foreign policy by the man who wanted to put Sarah Palin a heartbeat away, brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 11:22:39 AM

Uh...he's a well known foreign policy expert. His credentials are: he's been elected to the Senate and he crashed a bunch of planes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2014, 12:46:16 PM

McCain double-dipped the day they handed out gall.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 13, 2014, 01:08:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 11:22:39 AM

Uh...he's a well known foreign policy expert. His credentials are: he's been elected to the Senate and he crashed a bunch of planes.

He is also really good at watching sailors burn to death from the pilot ready room.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2014, 01:56:29 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 13, 2014, 11:07:53 AM

Grandpa Walnuts conveniently overlooks the 2011 Iraqi Parliament's nearly unanimous vote to kick us out of the country, I see.  :heh

Saddam voted unanimously to kick us out of the country too.  :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2014, 02:28:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27GAd29S0EQ

 :kobeyuck :kobeyuck :kobeyuck

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 13, 2014, 03:02:22 PM

From the jenius who clobbered Cantor:

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“If we make all of the people good, markets will be good. If markets are bad, which they are, that means people are bad, which they are. Want good markets? Change the people.”

Translation:

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“This dude just really wants us all to go to church, and that appears to be his economic policy conclusion.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/06/13/1306706/-The-economic-theology-that-beat-Cantor

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 03:11:30 PM

Quote from: Esch on June 13, 2014, 02:48:33 PM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118114/chris-hedges-pulitzer-winner-lefty-hero-plagiarist


Liberals annihilated :neogaf

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I love stories like this. Even non-politics related. The one from a couple years ago where some 30 year old wunderkind wrote some kind of Bob Dylan themed "this is how creativity works" book where he made up half the quotes or some shit was hilarious. Will have to read this whole thing later.

I provided extensive proof and located original quotes for a case that came up in my grad poli sci department where a multiple award winning paper was basically lifted verbatim from about fifteen different sources, then patched together. They originally thought it was one paragraph that had an issue because it shared two sentences until I started just google searching random sentences in the paper. First hit was some paper some dude posted on his own website. Second sentence immediately hit in some old book that was available on Google Books. Third sentence tested (and its paragraph) was lifted from the DESCRIPTION of a U of M data set he didn't use. The moron lifted his entire methods section from another paper that had nothing at all to do with the model he presented (in complete gibberish) later.

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I still have no idea how the paper got through a class, let alone conferences to win awards...when entire (plagiarized) paragraphs repeated themselves. And the copy-pasted SPSS tables didn't even make any sense.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 03:20:07 PM

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Salon’s numerous attempts to get clarification of Truthdig’s correction policy finally resulted in a letter from Truthdig publisher Kaufman, who presented a series of accusations against both Salon and myself. “We are surprised that a publication as prominent as Salon would take this matter seriously,” wrote Kaufman. “In all honesty, we feel it raises serious questions regarding the true motives of Salon and Mr. Ketcham.”

Kaufman went on to note the “relative positions in the journalistic community between Salon and Truthdig and between Mr. Ketcham (and his spouse) and Mr. Hedges.” Because of these “relative positions” in the hierarchy of journalism, Kaufman stressed that “the issue of commercial motives cannot be disregarded,” and cited without elaboration “possible personal, economic and commercial gain that would be derived by Salon and Mr. Ketcham from damaging the reputation of Truthdig, Mr. Hedges, the Nation and other competitive publications and authors.”1 Nowhere in her letter did she address the Postman correction and its implications.

:dead

EDIT: Oh god the comments, it's all a made up smear because the guys wife was upset!

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WillLynch 22 hours ago
This is not plagiarism. This piece is nothing but a crude smear campaign against the most morally courageous writer of our time.

Shamika Bronski 23 hours ago
Let the smear campaign begin. It was only a matter of time, and it's only the beginning. The corporate state must be afraid Hedges may be having some influence.

newdeal57 18 hours ago
This is unquestionable a hit piece.

It also is unarguably written by a man with an axe to grind and an agenda (his wife was plagiarized).

But, it is, at least 70% accurate in documenting examples of plagiarism.

Sad, even sickening, because Hedges is a model of the public intellectual and a hero of mine.

Regardless, it takes nothing away from the content of Hedges' work.

Curious, Hedges recently spoke on a panel about Tom Paine and one of his points was that critics will be smeared. He was correct in that, but methinks he might have engaged in a bit of inoculation, likely knowing this piece was in the pipeline.

Still, I love the man, deeply respect his work, and hope he issues a quick apology and we move on.

Why must midgets take down giants?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on June 13, 2014, 04:49:30 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 03:11:30 PM

I love stories like this. Even non-politics related. The one from a couple years ago where some 30 year old wunderkind wrote some kind of Bob Dylan themed "this is how creativity works" book where he made up half the quotes or some shit was hilarious. Will have to read this whole thing later.

Jonah Lehrer. If you've listened to Radiolab you've probably heard some of his stories. So incredibly stupid, it's unbelievable. How do you go from relative prominence to faking Dylan quotes. How the fuck did he think he was going to get away with that?

Quote from: benjipwns on June 13, 2014, 03:11:30 PM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I still have no idea how the paper got through a class, let alone conferences to win awards...when entire (plagiarized) paragraphs repeated themselves. And the copy-pasted SPSS tables didn't even make any sense.

[close]

How does that make you feel about your field?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2014, 05:02:49 PM

Calvinists are the absolute worst religious people to deal with, even moreso than Jehova's Witnesses. I once was stuck in a car with one (on a trip to Chicago) and overheard an argument about predestination for three fucking hours.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 13, 2014, 05:09:32 PM

The big Calvinist "cathedral" (it used the word cathedral in its name even though there are no cathedrals in Calvinism) in Orange County was recently purchased by the Catholic Church after the Calvinist church that owned and operated it became insolvent. I couldn't help but wonder at the time if that was all according to god's keikaku?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 13, 2014, 06:19:31 PM

I'm surprised Calvinism isn't the dominant strain of Christianity.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 13, 2014, 09:23:35 PM

Quote

Longtime Cantor adviser Ray Allen, in his first interview since Cantor was stunned by little-known professor Dave Brat (R), told The Hill that he believed Cantor was a victim of meddling from Democrats who crossed over in the primary to vote against him.

George Mason University professor Michael McDonald, a vote modeling expert, has crunched the precinct-level data on what happened and said it was highly unlikely that enough Democrats turned out to swing the election, noting that turnout increased more in heavily Republican precincts than heavily Democratic precincts this year, much less cover the 45-point difference between the poll and the actual result.

Allen's rebuttal:

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"I don't need the New York Times analysis," Allen scoffed when asked about precinct-level analysis that proved his claims dubious. "I'm down here, I know what happened. It's not the whole story but it's a big hunk of the story."

Liberals and reality annihilated.  I've got your empirical evidence right here :gun

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 13, 2014, 09:37:00 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 13, 2014, 06:19:31 PM

I'm surprised Calvinism isn't the dominant strain of Christianity.

In the U.S.? Sola gratia is very pervasive, regardless.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 13, 2014, 09:39:56 PM

They still don't get it.  :lol

Math? Stats? Aggregates? Fuck that shit, man. Fuck being a black republican, I'd rather be a polling consultant. Romney gave them a boat load of money in 2012 to literally lie to him. Granted I can understand why folks would get the Cantor race wrong on the national scale, since no one really focused on seriously polling the place. But someone who was paid to look at individual districts and gauge things should have known Cantor wasn't up 40 points...

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2014, 09:47:44 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 13, 2014, 09:45:45 PM

Ray Allen should focus on the 3-1 series deficit his team is facing.

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 14, 2014, 12:54:19 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 13, 2014, 06:19:31 PM

I'm surprised Calvinism isn't the dominant strain of Christianity.

It is with the wall street friendly types. A lot of the christian wing of the tea party are. They just haven't worn it on their sleeve like Brat. It would turn a lot of voters off.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 14, 2014, 02:51:13 PM

DAT SALT THO

(http://i.imgur.com/BIRbFmp.jpg)

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/man-who-beat-nsa-in-t-shirt-parody-case-wins-against-ready-for-hillary/

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2014, 05:06:57 PM

So many more months of these IRS hearings are we going to have until Republicans admit that they can't actually find anything?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 14, 2014, 05:14:07 PM

That's still a thing with them?  :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2014, 10:53:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASw7tXSBaLc

Can we just  ::) a bit more at McCain mcsplaining the Iraq War before we move on?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 14, 2014, 11:32:22 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 14, 2014, 04:21:18 PM

I love Lois Lerner so much. Wish we had 100 more just like her.

What happened?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2014, 12:50:49 AM

Hold on, if all the polling was wrong, why rely on PPP immigration polling to make any case about the district?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 16, 2014, 11:32:20 AM

The RNC decided to try their hand at an anti-Hillary Sportscenter commercial parody for some reason. I think it was supposed to be funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5NoeZ7WL-s

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2014, 12:05:41 AM

edit: this isn't the porn thread

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2014, 12:25:09 AM

Not gonna lie tho, sometimes I pop a boner while reading Charles Pierce.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 17, 2014, 03:03:07 PM

 :drudge :drudge :drudge

Quote

A Fox News anchor suggested that President Obama captured one of the alleged architects of the September 2012 attack on the U.S. diplomatic mission in Benghazi to boost Hillary Clinton’s presidential prospects.

Speaking on Fox News’ Outnumbered just moments after news broke that the United States had captured Ahmed Abu Khattala, [Lisa Kennedy Montgomery] mused, “you have a former Secretary of State who is in the middle of a high profile book tour, I think this is convenient for her to shift the talking points to some of the things she has been discussing.”

More liberals should give Obama credit for being an ingenious mastermind like Fox News does.  :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2014, 03:18:37 PM

What are the odds they're going to parade this guy in front of cameras saying "it was because of a video, it wasn't a terrorist attack"?

At least we still have some actual patriots:

Quote

"Guantanamo [is] where we put terrorists, where we apprehend them," McCain told reporters on Capitol Hill. "Where else can you take him to?"

Graham argued that Khattala should be held as an enemy combatant at the detention facility, adding that he was hopeful the suspect would provide "good intelligence."

"We should have some quality time with this guy -- weeks and months," Graham said. "Don't torture him, but have some quality time with him."

...

Graham suggested that approach was ineffective, noting that bin Laden's son-in-law was only interrogated for 20 hours.

"We should have held him for 20 months," he said. "We're shutting down intelligence gathering, we're turning the war into a crime, and it will bite us in the butt."

Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) and Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) also called on Tuesday for Khattala to be sent to Guantanamo.

"Khatallah is a foreign terrorist, captured by our special forces overseas for his violent attack on a U.S. facility," Cruz said in a statement. "He belongs in Guantanamo and in the military justice system, not in the U.S. civilian court system with the constitutional protections afforded U.S. citizens."

"The Obama administration should immediately transfer him to the military detention center at Guantanamo Bay for detention and interrogation," Rubio said. "In order to locate all individuals associated with the attacks that led to the deaths of four Americans, we need intelligence. That intelligence is often obtained through an interrogation process."

Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.), another staunch Benghazi critic, did not join the chorus, but cautioned the administration against worrying about following procedure.

"Rather than rushing to read him his Miranda rights and telling him he has the right to remain silent, I hope the administration will focus on collecting the intelligence necessary to prevent future attacks and to find other terrorists responsible for the Benghazi attacks," Ayotte said.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2014, 03:29:53 PM

Quote

"We should have some quality time with this guy -- weeks and months," Graham said. "Don't torture him, but have some quality time with him."

Take him out to a fancy dinner at Olive Garden, go to a movie, maybe afterwards a nice cuddle on the couch watching Scandal.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 17, 2014, 03:49:33 PM

Topical once again!

(http://thismodernworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kristolrevised3a.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2014, 04:01:18 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2014, 03:29:53 PM

Quote

"We should have some quality time with this guy -- weeks and months," Graham said. "Don't torture him, but have some quality time with him."

Take him out to a fancy dinner at Olive Garden, go to a movie, maybe afterwards a nice cuddle on the couch watching Scandal.

Show him some nice YouTube videos on your phone...

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2014, 04:08:34 PM

The March 1st one.

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2014, 04:20:10 PM

How was he supposed to know the Democrats would undermine the war effort over the next three weeks before it started?

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2014, 04:30:04 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2014, 04:08:34 PM

The March 1st one.

:dead

April 4 is p. good too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2014, 04:54:36 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 17, 2014, 03:49:33 PM

Topical once again!

http://thismodernworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Kristolrevised3a.jpg

Only liked that post cause demi hasn't implemented "Despair" or "Seethe" buttons yet.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2014, 06:07:19 PM

Somewhere, Dick Cheney's sitting by the phone, waterboard all ready to go.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: fizzel on June 17, 2014, 07:24:11 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WZcP4mvLHqo

Yanks, should I feel bad for liking Hillary. I remember holding back puke whenever someone across the pond told me how good Blair was for Britain.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2014, 07:33:48 PM

I wish she became president in 2008 instead of Barry the amateur. :trollbron:

On a serious note I think she's fine. Infinitely better than whatever alternative republicans trot out. I'd rather have her making foreign policy decisions than these chickenhawk neoconservative distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

Say what you will about Obama, at least we're not knee deep in multiple wars. Which is where we'd be if McCain or Romney were president.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2014, 07:34:42 PM

She's okay, far better than whatever nutjob comes out of the Republican primary, that's for sure. Not the greatest choice ever, though.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2014, 07:41:58 PM

She's quite a Wall Street goon though. For all my complaints about Obama, at least he's not giving speeches to execs saying they need to be treated with more respect.

But I think she'll be a good president which means defending Obamacare, not being a dick on gay rights or race issues, nominating decent judges, and not starting new wars to me.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2014, 10:13:00 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/khattala-benghazi-video-new-york-times

Ahmed Abu Khatallah, the suspect captured by U.S. special forces on Tuesday for his role in the 2012 Benghazi attack, reportedly said he was motivated in part by the anti-Islam online video made in America, according to the New York Times.

:obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2014, 10:50:39 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2014, 10:13:00 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/khattala-benghazi-video-new-york-times

Ahmed Abu Khatallah, the suspect captured by U.S. special forces on Tuesday for his role in the 2012 Benghazi attack, reportedly said he was motivated in part by the anti-Islam online video made in America, according to the New York Times.

:obama

And people say waterboarding doesn't work.  :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 18, 2014, 12:54:16 AM

If by "water boarding" you mean "appointing him as the new director of the CIA", then I would agree.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 18, 2014, 02:03:31 AM

Did anyone see Hilldawg's interview on Fox News? Heard it went pretty well. And conservatives on twitter are bitching about it being a "softball" interview. :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 18, 2014, 09:53:37 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 16, 2014, 11:32:20 AM

The RNC decided to try their hand at an anti-Hillary Sportscenter commercial parody for some reason. I think it was supposed to be funny.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5NoeZ7WL-s

(http://i.imgur.com/n634XUz.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/GMeS6yG.jpg)

:lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 18, 2014, 11:13:21 AM

That's the kind of sense of humor that is lost on many conservatives.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 18, 2014, 12:29:52 PM

http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522 (http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522)

THIS FUCKING GUY

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on June 18, 2014, 12:37:45 PM

Just looking at the subtitle I immediately think he's talking about our previous leader.

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 18, 2014, 01:03:46 PM

What's really hilarious is that Dick Cheney knew as far back as 1991 that this would be the exact result of an invasion of Iraq:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ9BibywHxo

Title: Re: RETURN TO BENGHAZI: THEY SAVED HILLARY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 18, 2014, 01:30:26 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/glenn-beck-iraq-liberals-right-107981.html?ml=la

Welp, humanity had a good run.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2014, 01:51:28 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 18, 2014, 12:29:52 PM

http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522 (http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522)

THIS FUCKING GUY

I felt having Liz co-write this piece really added a lot of credibility.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 18, 2014, 02:56:59 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/harry-reid-dick-cheney_n_5507113.html

Quote

"If there's one thing this country does not need, is that we should be taking advice from Dick Cheney on wars," he said. "Being on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is being on the right side of history. To the architects of the Iraq War who are now so eager to offer their expert analysis, I say, Mr. President, thanks, but no thanks. Unfortunately, we have already tried it your way and it was the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the country."

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: WanderingWind on June 18, 2014, 04:49:23 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 18, 2014, 02:56:59 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/18/harry-reid-dick-cheney_n_5507113.html

Quote

"If there's one thing this country does not need, is that we should be taking advice from Dick Cheney on wars," he said. "Being on the wrong side of Dick Cheney is being on the right side of history. To the architects of the Iraq War who are now so eager to offer their expert analysis, I say, Mr. President, thanks, but no thanks. Unfortunately, we have already tried it your way and it was the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the country."

:whew

God that gave me a freedom boner

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 18, 2014, 04:53:29 PM

It's the "Thanks but no thanks" etherx9000 that got me. :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 18, 2014, 04:55:59 PM

come on Barry, style on these cacs. just do it breh
 :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2014, 05:22:23 PM

For second I saw that quote and thought maybe Obama had said it, but of course it would have to be Harry Reid. He's the only one with the nards to just say shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 18, 2014, 05:51:45 PM

i love how GOPpers can see all these deeply laid out plans and conspiracy theories for Bamsy being a Muslim terror enabler yet they can't see how an ex-board member of Halliburton who oversaw a nontender agreement to give Halliburton war contracts for Halliburton to then over charge and under deliver to the military whilst taking billions in profit from tax money as anything other than "oh that is just a coincidence"

I bet Cheney is popping a boner at the thought of a potential HB payday coming his way if there's a jaunt back into Iraq

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2014, 07:31:19 PM

Quote

" it was the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the country."

World War I?
Vietnam?
New Coke?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 18, 2014, 09:39:30 PM

Quote

KARL:  I wonder if you've had the chance to see this op-ed piece that former vice president Dick Cheney has written in the Wall Street Journal that has a rather critical tone to it toward the White House.  He says, "rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many," talking about the situation in Iraq and in the Middle East generally.


CARNEY:  Which president was he talking about?

 :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 12:07:34 AM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/06/18/3137-county-analysis-obamacare-increased-2014-individual-market-premiums-by-average-of-49/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/06/18/3137-county-analysis-obamacare-increased-2014-individual-market-premiums-by-average-of-49/)

Quote

There are hundreds of aspects of Obamacare that people argue over. But there’s one question that matters above all others: does the Affordable Care Act live up to its name? Does it make health insurance less expensive? Last November, our team at the Manhattan Institute published a study indicating that Obamacare had increased the underlying cost of individually-purchased health insurance in the average state by 41 percent in 2014, relative to 2013. We’ve now redone the study on a county-by-county basis, complete with a brand-new interactive map. Depending on where you live, the results may surprise you.

Among men, the county with the greatest increase in insurance prices from 2013 to 2014 was Buchanan County, Missouri, about 45 miles north of Kansas City: 271 percent. Among women, the “winner” was Goodhue County, Minnesota, about an hour southwest of Minneapolis: 200 percent. Overall, the counties of Nevada, North Carolina, Minnesota, and Arkansas haven experienced the largest rate hikes under the law.

The best-faring county for both men and women was St. Lawrence County in northern New York, with premium decreases of 70 percent in 2014 relative to 2013. The New York City metropolitan area—the five boroughs, Long Island, and Westchester County—are the clear winners under Obamacare, with decreases in the 63 to 64 percent range.

Obamacare bails out New York’s death spiral

There’s a reason why New York does so well. In 1992, then-Gov. Mario Cuomo (D.) signed a law barring health insurers from charging different rates based on age, gender, health, or smoking status: what wonks call pure community rating. Naturally, older and sicker people thought this was a great deal, while younger and healthier people dropped out. As I detailed last summer, New York quickly became the poster child of the dreaded adverse selection death spiral.

Obamacare’s regulations are similar to Mario Cuomo’s, with two key differences. First, Obamacare has an individual mandate forcing young people to buy costlier insurance than they need. Second, many low-income people qualify for subsidies under Obamacare, encouraging healthy (but poor) people to sign up. Indeed, Cuomo’s successor George Pataki (R.) instituted a subsidized exchange called “Healthy New York” that did somewhat mitigate the Cuomo death spiral for those who were poor enough to qualify.

In addition, Obamacare allows a slightly wider age-rating band than New York; the federal law allows insurers to charge older individuals three times as much as younger ones. Since older people consume around six times as much health care as younger people, this is still a rip-off for the young in most parts of the country, but it doesn’t make a difference in the Empire State, which has deliberately chosen to maintain its requirement that age can play no factor in health premiums.

Women face rate hikes in 82% of U.S. counties; men 91%

Across the country, for men overall, individual-market premiums went up in 91 percent of all counties: 2,844 out of 3,137. For 27-year-old men, the average county faced 91 percent increases; for 40-year-old men, 60 percent; for 64-year-old men, 32 percent.

Women fared slightly better; their premiums “only” went up in 82 percent of all counties: 2,562 out of 3,137. That’s because Obamacare bars insurers from charging different rates to men and women; prior to Obamacare, only 11 states did so. Because women tend to consume more health care than men, the end result of the Obamacare regulation is that men fare somewhat worse.

Relative to men, the average rate increase for women was less extreme: 44 percent for 27-year-olds; 23 percent for 40-year-olds; 42 percent for 64-year-olds.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2014, 12:15:16 AM

That's nice and all, but he seems to minimize one rather minor detail: the fact that the premium hikes don't include the subsidies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2014, 12:16:01 AM

https://twitter.com/SenatorReid/status/479299157191315456/photo/1

:bow :bow :bow

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 12:21:45 AM

I'm biased but I don't understand why Reid's (and Kerry who used this more than anyone) explanation that he was misled is supposed to make me want him in power or excuse him anymore than Beck.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2014, 12:33:15 AM

Cause maybe Reid and Kerry didn't want to go into Iraq?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:35:37 AM

Are we meant to take that manhattan institute thing seriously?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 12:35:46 AM

So they were lying then?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 12:37:43 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:35:37 AM

Are we meant to take that manhattan institute thing seriously?

It'll be the GOP talking point in about 48 hours if they get off Iraq.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:39:38 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 12:37:43 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:35:37 AM

Are we meant to take that manhattan institute thing seriously?

It'll be the GOP talking point in about 48 hours if they get off Iraq.

I'm pretty sure most of the GOP has no problems getting off on Iraq.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:48:13 AM

I think the implicit excuse for Kerry/Reid/Edwards/Hillary/etc. is "his approval rating was fucking seventy percent and everyone was still freaking out about explodey brown people, gimme a break" which is probably going to stay implicit cause of the etiquette of electoral politics.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 12:49:22 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:39:38 AM

I'm pretty sure most of the GOP has no problems getting off on Iraq.

This is Obama's problem, he pulled out too soon.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 12:51:02 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:48:13 AM

I think the implicit excuse for Kerry/Reid/Edwards/Hillary/etc. is "his approval rating was fucking seventy percent and everyone was still freaking out about explodey brown people, gimme a break" which is probably going to stay implicit cause of the etiquette of electoral politics.

Yes, of course, I just would like to see someone ask them these kind of gotchas. Same with Republicans. For entertainment purposes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2014, 12:54:43 AM

The last thing the American voting public wants to hear is that they were complicit in the Iraq war, and that their representatives were giving them what they (at the time) wanted.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 01:01:55 AM

So you're saying I shouldn't campaign for Mike Roger's House seat on that platform?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 02:38:39 AM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/hillary-clinton-imploding_795328.html?nopager=1

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To understand the weakness of Hillary Clinton's position, you need to understand her appeal as a candidate. She has no identifiable political legacy, no issue or set of positions that mark her ground. Instead, she is a symbol, as Ross Douthat put it last week,  which seeks to unite the Democratic working-class (her base in 2008)  with the identity-politics impulses that drive the core Obama voters. She is, in that way, a continuation of the Obama appeal, but without any of the political or policy baggage from the Obama administration. In fact, she's one of the few Democrats who can run without any firm attachment to Obama's tri-partite political legacy of Obamacare, high unemployment, and a stagnant economy. Clinton can be Obama's heir, but it's hard to pin any of those problems on her.

The only part of Obama's legacy that will stick to Clinton is his foreign policy.

For four years, that seemed like a great arrangement. But suddenly, over the last year, it's begun to look quite perilous. Obama_perhaps you've heard this?_got bin Laden. But other than that, his foreign policy record is disastrous: Libya, Egypt, Syria, the South China Sea, Crimea, Iraq, Afghanistan. It is difficult to find a spot on the globe that is better off today than when Obama took office. And yet Obama's foreign policy is the only entry of substance on Hillary Clinton's resume right now. Which means it will carry double the weight.

For Obama, Putin and Crimea are a mid-size political problem, ranked somewhere above the Keystone pipeline. For Clinton it's an existential problem because foreign affairs are the only measures for her basic professional competence.

Think about it from the perspective of a Democratic voter: Hillary Clinton was wrong on Monica Lewinsky during the (Bill) Clinton years, wrong on gay marriage and Iraq during the Bush years, and now wrong on Putin and Syria and Egypt and the whole of American foreign policy during the Obama years. What has she ever been right on? And if you're a Democratic voter, at some point you start to wonder, Can't we do better?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 09:12:09 AM

The Hillary Hate is so strong. :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 09:50:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-ebuLTlCI

 :mindblown

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on June 19, 2014, 01:16:17 PM

We could probably have a better nominee, but is there a better person who could actually win in 2016?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on June 19, 2014, 02:00:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 18, 2014, 07:31:19 PM

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" it was the biggest foreign policy blunder in the history of the country."

World War I?

American involvement being decisive in ending the war and America being a moderating influence on the Paris Peace Conference is a blunder now?   :jawalrus

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 02:04:29 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 19, 2014, 01:16:17 PM

We could probably have a better nominee, but is there a better person who could actually win in 2016?

That's the problem right there, although I'll be shocked if a genuinely viable candidate makes it out of the GOP freakshow that's lining up for 2016.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2014, 03:15:56 PM

Romney was the least distinguished mentally-challenged candidate last time (not counting Huntsman cause he never had a chance), and he became virtually indistinguishable from the morons he ran against.

I occasionally do worry at the idea of a "serious" Republican like Jeb Bush, Paul Ryan or Scott Walker running, but I expect the same thing to happen to them that happened to Mittens.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 03:25:29 PM

2016 feels like it's setting up for GOP going all-in on a hardcore Tea Party-type to keep that wing of their party from going full revolt. Cantor getting slapped down recently being the first step in that process.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2014, 04:36:30 PM

1964 redux.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 19, 2014, 07:18:04 PM

Scott Walker and Chris Christie are in escalating amounts of legal trouble. Who else that's beholden to the Chamber of Commerce will run? Jeb? Huntsman? Romney again?

I hope Ted Cruz gets the nomination.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 19, 2014, 07:42:46 PM

It'll have to be Jeb.  Huntsman is fucking toxic to nearly all of the 'pubs that vote in primaries (like crazy toxic.  You'd think he was black or some shit).  Christie is yeah, well fucked.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2014, 08:58:40 PM

Jeb said that we should be kind to the Messicans, and this is gonna require some major redemption on his part. We're talking about supporting something along the lines of Crypteia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypteia), at minimum.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2014, 09:18:27 PM

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McCain said that Paul, Rubio and Cruz all come to him for foreign policy advice and that he’s not surprised that Republicans still lean on him for his views. McCain said his advice is still popular among Republicans because lawmakers are looking to be led by “who’s highly regarded” – and that means the two amigos.
 
“We have had long experience and haven’t been wrong,” McCain said.

:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 09:38:59 PM

Quote from: Barbara Boxer on John McCain

"Andrea, if you took your car into a mechanic and he destroyed the whole car and you couldn't even turn it on, you wouldn't go back to the same mechanic when there's a problem," she added.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 19, 2014, 10:36:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/c6b0pDK.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 11:36:24 PM

There's always something bad going on the world, usually several different things, and there's really very little that America can do to keep those things from happening or stop them when they do. We can barely even keep our own selves together most of the time.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 19, 2014, 11:53:19 PM

The only bad thing about Joe Walsh getting fired is that now his kids won't be getting their child support from their unemployed dad again (if they were anyway).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 11:54:00 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2014, 11:36:24 PM

There's always something bad going on the world, usually several different things, and there's really very little that America can do to keep those things from happening or stop them when they do. We can barely even keep our own selves together most of the time.

This is defeatist talk. If we had a strong leader instead of that weak kneed crybaby in the White House he could lead America to provide global leadership which could focus on leading to solutions to any problems that crop up. Except they wouldn't because real leadership would nip it in the bud instead of allowing it to fester and kill four Americans including an Ambassador and focusing on the coverup instead of preventing it in the first place by displaying strong leadership.

This is how history has always worked no matter how much Barack Obama wants it to be different so he can continue eliminating every penny of military funding to make us even weaker and less of a leader so the Caliphate can re-establish itself in Spain and then all of Europe.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2014, 11:59:08 PM

"Leadership is the barrel of a gun." - Abraham Lincoln
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cd/Churchill_V_sign_HU_55521.jpg/170px-Churchill_V_sign_HU_55521.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 10:06:31 AM

:drudge *trigger warning* for Mandark :drudge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqhPtj6CMAAE7jO.png:large)

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2014, 10:21:59 AM

You mean this could be settled diplomatically and not with drones?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2014, 11:01:16 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 20, 2014, 10:21:59 AM

You mean this could be settled diplomatically and not with drones?

That's not the way the Founding Fathers intended! :maf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 11:53:43 AM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/19/humphries-exclusive-inteview-arizona-sheriff-joe-a/

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“The White House is incompetent and the dumping of illegals is intentional.”

Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio takes the dumping of illegal aliens in his Maricopa County as an “affront” because Arizona has been a high-profile critic of federal immigration policy, and Arpaio has been “like the poster boy” for slamming the Justice Department and the White House.

He doubts the massive wave of illegals, many of them unaccompanied minors, is a result of mere administration ineptitude.

“I got my own theory,” he said. “I think the White House sometimes is incompetent, but I can’t imagine them doing this without realizing that there was going to be controversy.”

Arpaio thinks President Obama is deliberately courting that controversy because the current crisis on the border gives him a chance to issue more executive orders, or prod Congress into passing immigration reforms that suit the president’s taste.
...
The 82-year-old sheriff has 55 years of law-enforcement experience. (His birthday is Flag Day, and he says this year he spent it “locking up deadbeat dads.”) After spending many of those years fighting the drug trade as a federal agent, he finds it disappointing that the federal government spends so much time hassling him.

“That’s sad, in a way,” he said. “But you know what? It doesn’t bother me. Actually, I love challenges. The more they go after me, the more happy I am, and I’m not going to surrender.”

He doesn’t think America should surrender to an illegal immigration crisis some describe as intractable.

“We’re the greatest country in the universe,” Arpaio declared. “You’re trying to tell me that we can’t control the illegal immigration coming into our country?”

Among the other issues he has no intention of retreating from is his challenge to the authenticity of President Obama’s birth certificate, which he remains convinced is a forged document. Arpaio is well aware of the criticism this crusade generates, from accusations of racism lobbed against him, to charges that he’s an obsessed eccentric. He repeated his determination to push harder in the face of such adversity, and suggested his critics consider that he knows how much trouble he’s causing for himself, and how quickly it would all go away if he dropped the subject.

:american :american :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 12:04:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1V5L3lyZ9p8

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2014, 12:16:31 PM

Hannity: WHY WON'T YOU CONDEMN RADICAL ISLAM?!?!

Ahmed: Well, absolutely I think that it's wrong what-

Hannity: We're gonna have to leave it there. Thanks for coming on the show.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 12:24:52 PM

That part was so perfect, it's like in every scripted "hostile news show" on Louie or whatever show but he really did it to her.  :lol

Also, what's up with his hair?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 01:12:07 PM

Why is the onus on her to reject the views of extremists she doesn't associate with, and view she does not hold? The insinuation always seems like "if they haven't publicly rejected radical Islam they must be a radical Islamist." Should Christians be forced to reject the bombing of abortion clinics before being allowed to make a pro-life argument?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2014, 01:17:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 01:12:07 PM

Should Christians be forced to reject the bombing of abortion clinics before being allowed to make a pro-life argument?

No, but O'Reilly should definitely apologize to the family of George Tiller.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 20, 2014, 01:20:42 PM

I have a dude going off about Benghazi and Lois Lerner on my facebook feed :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 01:24:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 01:12:07 PM

Why is the onus on her to reject the views of extremists she doesn't associate with, and view she does not hold? The insinuation always seems like "if they haven't publicly rejected radical Islam they must be a radical Islamist." Should Christians be forced to reject the bombing of abortion clinics before being allowed to make a pro-life argument?

That's crazy, True Christians would never believe or support such a thing. While these people, they're different. I mean just look at her, wearing something over her head, that's not normal.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 20, 2014, 01:25:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 01:24:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 01:12:07 PM

Why is the onus on her to reject the views of extremists she doesn't associate with, and view she does not hold? The insinuation always seems like "if they haven't publicly rejected radical Islam they must be a radical Islamist." Should Christians be forced to reject the bombing of abortion clinics before being allowed to make a pro-life argument?

That's crazy, True Christians would never believe or support such a thing. While these people, they're different. I mean just look at her, wearing something over her head, that's not normal.

I'll also accept "just by being pro-life we're rejecting these people"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 20, 2014, 01:26:56 PM

"The American Test". Fox is a den of cunts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2014, 01:48:21 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 20, 2014, 01:20:42 PM

I have a dude going off about Benghazi and Lois Lerner on my facebook feed :neogaf

Lerner's emails are in Iraq with the WMDs and the videos of Obama laughing while watching Benghazi unfold via dronecam. It's where Obama hides all the evidence from conservatives. It's also why he won't send troops back there. One might go Bergdal and accidentally find it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 02:15:34 PM

Missing emails definitely sounds convenient...until you remember this is a government agency, specifically the fucking IRS, and they shred or delete shit every few months for safety reasons.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 02:19:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 02:15:34 PM

they shred or delete shit every few months for safety reasons.

Like insuring that there's no evidence of their crimes!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2014, 02:37:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2014, 02:15:34 PM

Missing emails definitely sounds convenient...until you remember this is a government agency, specifically the fucking IRS, and they shred or delete shit every few months for safety reasons.

I read a write up a couple of days ago about how the IRS [and presumably other agencies] handle email, and basically there's a finite amount of storage and eventually its up to each person to store emails they think might be important on their own computers.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 20, 2014, 02:46:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkd46a8ttss

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2014, 03:05:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/judith-miller-stop-criticizing-iraq-war-wrong

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"What the media should be doing is encouraging everyone who has a view of what to do now in Iraq to come forward and discuss it rationally," Miller said. "But they're doing the opposite. They're trying to shut down people like Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney, all of the 'neoconservatives' who brought us this war. It's not helpful."

 :mindblown :beli :comeon :ufup

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 20, 2014, 03:13:29 PM

I don't even know what that sentence is trying to say :stahp

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 03:15:20 PM

It says stop bringing down America by dividing us through attacking people when we should unite to criticize Obama's failed leadership.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2014, 04:01:15 PM

While we're on the subject of people who don't deserve to be listened to anymore, why are we supposed to be listen to anything Judith Miller says?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 20, 2014, 04:11:45 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 20, 2014, 03:13:29 PM

I don't even know what that sentence is trying to say :stahp

Hegemons are being held to the same standards they hold everyone else to and they don't like it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 04:23:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2014, 04:01:15 PM

While we're on the subject of people who don't deserve to be listened to anymore, why are we supposed to be listen to anything Judith Miller says?

It's pretty neat how she just happened to land a regular Fox News gig.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 20, 2014, 04:32:48 PM

It's Always Sunni in Fallujah.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2014, 04:59:49 PM

"Wildcard Bitches!" - ISIS

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 20, 2014, 10:28:45 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 20, 2014, 01:48:21 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 20, 2014, 01:20:42 PM

I have a dude going off about Benghazi and Lois Lerner on my facebook feed :neogaf

Lerner's emails are in Iraq with the WMDs and the videos of Obama laughing while watching Benghazi unfold via dronecam. It's where Obama hides all the evidence from conservatives. It's also why he won't send troops back there. One might go Bergdal and accidentally find it.

So that's where the whitey tape is :ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2014, 12:08:49 AM

http://stockman.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/stockman-bill-allows-taxpayers-to-use-same-lame-excuses-as-irs

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WASHINGTON -- Taxpayers who do not produce documents for the Internal Revenue Service will be able to offer a variety of dubious excuses under legislation introduced by Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX 36) a week after the IRS offered an incredibly dubious excuse for its failure to turn documents over to House investigators.

“The United States was founded on the belief government is subservient and accountable to the people.  Taxpayers shouldn’t be expected to follow laws the Obama administration refuses to follow themselves,” said Stockman.  “Taxpayers should be allowed to offer the same flimsy, obviously made-up excuses the Obama administration uses.”

Under Stockman’s bill, “The Dog Ate My Tax Receipts Act,” taxpayers who do not provide documents requested by the IRS can claim one of the following reasons:

1.         The dog ate my tax receipts
2.         Convenient, unexplained, miscellaneous computer malfunction
3.         Traded documents for five terrorists
4.         Burned for warmth while lost in the Yukon
5.         Left on table in Hillary’s Book Room
6.         Received water damage in the trunk of Ted Kennedy’s car
7.         Forgot in gun case sold to Mexican drug lords
8.         Forced to recycle by municipal Green Czar
9.         Was short on toilet paper while camping
10.       At this point, what difference does it make?

Stockman’s bill comes a week after the IRS refused to turn over to House investigators emails from former Exempt Organizations Divison director Lois Lerner that would implicate agency personnel in illegal targeting of citizens critical of President Barack Obama.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 21, 2014, 12:27:56 AM

Any important document (e.g. W-2) is electronically transmitted to the Internal Revenue Service already... it literally doesn't matter if you can't produce it because they already have it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2014, 12:39:50 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 21, 2014, 12:08:49 AM

http://stockman.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/stockman-bill-allows-taxpayers-to-use-same-lame-excuses-as-irs

That's rich coming from the congressman whose campaign headquarters was condemned on account of being a total dump:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/pictures-from-inside-steve-stockman-s-condemned-campaign-office

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2014, 01:52:04 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 21, 2014, 12:08:49 AM

http://stockman.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/stockman-bill-allows-taxpayers-to-use-same-lame-excuses-as-irs

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WASHINGTON -- Taxpayers who do not produce documents for the Internal Revenue Service will be able to offer a variety of dubious excuses under legislation introduced by Rep. Steve Stockman (R-TX 36) a week after the IRS offered an incredibly dubious excuse for its failure to turn documents over to House investigators.

“The United States was founded on the belief government is subservient and accountable to the people.  Taxpayers shouldn’t be expected to follow laws the Obama administration refuses to follow themselves,” said Stockman.  “Taxpayers should be allowed to offer the same flimsy, obviously made-up excuses the Obama administration uses.”

Under Stockman’s bill, “The Dog Ate My Tax Receipts Act,” taxpayers who do not provide documents requested by the IRS can claim one of the following reasons:

1.         The dog ate my tax receipts
2.         Convenient, unexplained, miscellaneous computer malfunction
3.         Traded documents for five terrorists
4.         Burned for warmth while lost in the Yukon
5.         Left on table in Hillary’s Book Room
6.         Received water damage in the trunk of Ted Kennedy’s car
7.         Forgot in gun case sold to Mexican drug lords
8.         Forced to recycle by municipal Green Czar
9.         Was short on toilet paper while camping
10.       At this point, what difference does it make?

Stockman’s bill comes a week after the IRS refused to turn over to House investigators emails from former Exempt Organizations Divison director Lois Lerner that would implicate agency personnel in illegal targeting of citizens critical of President Barack Obama.

A Chappaquiddick reference? Hey, why stop there? How about:

11. Allowed Buchanan to veto my tax reciept along with the Homestead Act.
12. Andrew Jackson sent my tax refunds down the Trail of Tears.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2014, 01:54:54 AM

13. A bunch of Indians threw my returns into the Boston Harbor.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2014, 02:12:59 AM

14. nicca stole my bike

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 21, 2014, 02:15:15 AM

15. i caught the gay and threw up all over them

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2014, 02:16:59 AM

16. Howard Hunt and G. Gordon Liddy broke into my house and stole my tax receipts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2014, 02:21:25 AM

17. I accidentally printed them on the back of Barack Obama's original long form birth certificate.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2014, 02:22:41 AM

18. I left them in Jeff Gannon's sex lair

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on June 21, 2014, 08:01:54 AM

19. Former President Bush choked on it

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 21, 2014, 09:10:04 AM

20. jews

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2014, 09:59:48 AM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/06/20/cowardly-fraud-total-nutcase-fox-hosts-attack-m/199824
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/06/20/foxs-hannity-gives-brigitte-gabriel-a-forum-to/199828

:goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2014, 10:19:31 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/WOEHI5e.png)
dat chyron  :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2014, 10:20:43 AM

I know this isn't, like, a revelation or anything, but Fox News really is a total cesspit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 21, 2014, 06:59:00 PM

Hillary Rapegate/Rapeghazi is now upon us!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2014, 10:59:55 PM

So Hillary's a murderer AND a rapist?

As if she wasn't already a lock for the Democratic nomination.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2014, 02:23:14 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on June 22, 2014, 01:45:01 PM

At the end of the day, the IRS took a closer look at some applications.

Which is actually exactly what they're supposed to do. Tax-exempt status is not supposed to be handed out like candy to any group that asks for it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2014, 02:24:59 PM

and ultimately nearly every group that was scrutinized got clearance. So what the fuck is the conspiracy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2014, 02:26:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2014, 02:24:59 PM

So what the fuck is the conspiracy.

The initial conspiracy was that the IRS was only "targeting" conservative groups, but that turned out to be a lie pushed by Darrell Issa. As for why it still persists...well...a Democrat is still in the White House, is why.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2014, 01:32:58 AM

Quote

DAVID GREGORY: Former Vice-President Dick Cheney has been quite critical of this president and he wrote an op-ed this week in which he said in part, “Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. Too many times to count, Mr. Obama has told us he is ‘ending’ the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – as though wishing [makes] it so.” Do you think Dick Cheney is a credible critic of this president?

SEN. RAND PAUL: I think the same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq War. You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? That’s what the war was sold on. Was democracy easily achievable? Was the war won in 2005, when many of these people said it was won? Um… they didn’t really, I think, understand the civil war that would break out. And what’s going on now, I don’t blame on President Obama. Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East. I also blame those who are for the Iraq War for emboldening Iran. These are the same people now who are petrified of what Iran may become, and I understand some of their worry…

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ON KARL, ABC NEWS: Now, Rand Paul, pointing to things like that, wrote in "The Wall Street Journal" also, "Many of those clamoring for military action now are the same people who made every false assumption imaginable about the cost, challenge and purpose of the Iraq War. They have been wrong for so long, why should we listen to him -- listen to them again?" your response?

FMR. VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: With all -- all due respect, John, I was a strong supporter then of going into Iraq, I'm a strong supporter now. Everybody knows what my position is. There's nothing to be argued about there.

But if we spend our time debating what happened 11 or 12 years ago, we're going to miss the threat that is growing and that we do face. Rand Paul, with all due respect, is basically an isolationist. He doesn't believe we ought to be involved in that part of the world.

I think it's absolutely essential.

One of the things I worried about 12 years ago and that I worry about today is that there will be another 9/11 attack and that the next time, it'll be with weapons far deadlier than airline tickets and box cutters.

And when we have a situation developing in Pakistan, for example, where there are nuclear weapons, where supposedly that technology has been sold to the North Koreans, at the same time, the president announces the complete withdrawal from Afghanistan right next door, that we're -- we're missing the boat. We don't understand the nature of the threat and we're unwilling to deal with it.

KARL: Do you -- in your op-ed, you have a broader critique, which you're -- you're making now, as well, of the president's foreign policy. And you write, "President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring that he has taken America down a notch."

In this op-ed, you also suggest the president is a -- a fool -- that was the word you used -- only a fool would -- would take the -- the approach he's taking in Iraq right now.

It almost seems like you're accusing the president of treason here, saying he's intentionally bringing America down a notch.

CHENEY: No, my reference didn't refer just to Iraq. It referred to the fact that we've left a big vacuum in the Middle East by our withdrawal from Iraq with no stay-behind agreement, by the commitment he made just a couple of weeks ago, that we're going to completely withdraw from Afghanistan with no stay-behind agreement.

We create a vacuum and it's being filled. And today, it's being filled by ISIS -- by Sisi (ph) from Syria. It's being filled by their attempt, obviously, to take over all of Iraq, but it's also being filled by places like Pakistan, where the Taliban have just launched a major attack on the Karachi airport.

The -- the scope of the problem, in part, is based upon an unwillingness by the president to recognize we have a problem. They're still living back in the day when they claimed we got bin Laden, the terrorism problem is solved.

That wasn't true then. It's even less true today. The threat is bigger than it's ever been. The danger of nuclear proliferation in the hands of terrorists is bigger than it's ever been. We need to dramatically reverse course on our defense budget. We are decimating the defense budget, not al Qaeda. We need to go back to a two war strategy, not the one war strategy that he's put in place.

We have 40 brigades in the United States Army, only four of them are combat ready. He is dramatically limiting the capability of future presidents to deal with crises by virtue of the policies he's taken.

Now, I don't intend any disrespect for the president, but I fundamentally disagree with him. I think he's dead wrong in terms of the course he's taken this nation and I think we're in for big trouble in the years ahead because of his refusal to recognize reality and because of his continual emphasis upon getting the U.S. basically to withdraw from that part of the world.

KARL: On virtually everything you just mentioned, it seems you also have a debate within your own party. Rand Paul -- and many see him as the frontrunner for the Republican nomination in 2016, given where he stands, again, in opposition to much of what you just talked about, could you support a Republican nominee, Rand Paul, for president?

CHENEY: I haven't picked a nominee yet. But one of the things that's right at the top of my list is whether or not the individual we nominate believes in a strong America, believes in a situation where the United States is able to provide the leadership in the world, basically, to maintain the peace and to take on the al Qaeda types wherever they show up.

Now, Rand Paul and -- by my standards, as I look at his -- his philosophy, is basically an isolationist. That didn't work in the 1930s, it sure as heck won't work in the aftermath of 9/11, when 19 guys armed with airline tickets and box cutters came all the way from Afghanistan and killed 3,000 of our citizens.

BOOM. RAND DOWN FOR THE COUNT.

Also: more redefinition of isolationist.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 23, 2014, 02:39:21 AM

I thought it was the other way around, that North Korea was selling its nuclear tech to the wannabe-taken-seriously countries.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2014, 02:54:41 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan#Proliferation_of_URENCO_technology

Totally looking forward to Cheney vs. Rand Paul.  Real clash of the intellectual titans there.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2014, 07:48:52 AM

Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on June 23, 2014, 03:58:20 AM

What's this about Hilary Clinton and rape?

Back in 1975, she successfully defended a rapist in court.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2014, 01:03:35 PM

Quote

WASHINGTON — As Senator Thad Cochran, the veteran Republican, fights for his political life in Mississippi by taking the unexpected step of courting black Democrats, conservative organizations working to defeat him are planning to deploy poll watchers to monitor his campaign’s turnout operation in Tuesday’s runoff election.

Kenneth T. Cuccinelli II, president of the Senate Conservatives Fund, a political action committee that has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars backing Mr. Cochran’s Tea Party opponent, State Senator Chris McDaniel, said in an interview on Sunday that his group was joining with Freedom Works and the Tea Party Patriots in a “voter integrity project” in Mississippi.

The groups will deploy observers in areas where Mr. Cochran is recruiting Democrats, Mr. Cuccinelli said. J. Christian Adams, a former Justice Department official and conservative commentator who said he was advising the effort, described the watchers as “election observers,” mostly Mississippi residents, who will be trained to “observe whether the law is being followed.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/us/conservatives-plan-to-use-poll-watchers-in-mississippi.html?_r=0

hmmm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 23, 2014, 01:13:05 PM

The New White Panthers?

Who thought teapartiers weren't already poll watchers? :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 23, 2014, 04:11:50 PM

Quote from: Exodust SoulBurn on June 23, 2014, 03:58:20 AM

What's this about Hilary Clinton and rape?

hillary clinton did her job despite not abdicating herself from the case like a really nice person and instead did her fucking job. now she's not fit for President according to the idiots at NeoGAF and elsewhere.

i mean, yes, the victim in question was 6 years old, but it's adversarial law. even a suspected rapist deserves a defense, and he got one.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on June 23, 2014, 05:53:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/jiWKhIV.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 23, 2014, 06:12:03 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 23, 2014, 01:32:58 AM

Quote

DAVID GREGORY: Former Vice-President Dick Cheney has been quite critical of this president and he wrote an op-ed this week in which he said in part, “Rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many. Too many times to count, Mr. Obama has told us he is ‘ending’ the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan – as though wishing [makes] it so.” Do you think Dick Cheney is a credible critic of this president?

SEN. RAND PAUL: I think the same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq War. You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? That’s what the war was sold on. Was democracy easily achievable? Was the war won in 2005, when many of these people said it was won? Um… they didn’t really, I think, understand the civil war that would break out. And what’s going on now, I don’t blame on President Obama. Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East. I also blame those who are for the Iraq War for emboldening Iran. These are the same people now who are petrified of what Iran may become, and I understand some of their worry…

Quote

ON KARL, ABC NEWS: Now, Rand Paul, pointing to things like that, wrote in "The Wall Street Journal" also, "Many of those clamoring for military action now are the same people who made every false assumption imaginable about the cost, challenge and purpose of the Iraq War. They have been wrong for so long, why should we listen to him -- listen to them again?" your response?

FMR. VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: With all -- all due respect, John, I was a strong supporter then of going into Iraq, I'm a strong supporter now. Everybody knows what my position is. There's nothing to be argued about there.

But if we spend our time debating what happened 11 or 12 years ago, we're going to miss the threat that is growing and that we do face. Rand Paul, with all due respect, is basically an isolationist. He doesn't believe we ought to be involved in that part of the world.

I think it's absolutely essential.

One of the things I worried about 12 years ago and that I worry about today is that there will be another 9/11 attack and that the next time, it'll be with weapons far deadlier than airline tickets and box cutters.

And when we have a situation developing in Pakistan, for example, where there are nuclear weapons, where supposedly that technology has been sold to the North Koreans, at the same time, the president announces the complete withdrawal from Afghanistan right next door, that we're -- we're missing the boat. We don't understand the nature of the threat and we're unwilling to deal with it.

KARL: Do you -- in your op-ed, you have a broader critique, which you're -- you're making now, as well, of the president's foreign policy. And you write, "President Obama seems determined to leave office ensuring that he has taken America down a notch."

In this op-ed, you also suggest the president is a -- a fool -- that was the word you used -- only a fool would -- would take the -- the approach he's taking in Iraq right now.

It almost seems like you're accusing the president of treason here, saying he's intentionally bringing America down a notch.

CHENEY: No, my reference didn't refer just to Iraq. It referred to the fact that we've left a big vacuum in the Middle East by our withdrawal from Iraq with no stay-behind agreement, by the commitment he made just a couple of weeks ago, that we're going to completely withdraw from Afghanistan with no stay-behind agreement.

We create a vacuum and it's being filled. And today, it's being filled by ISIS -- by Sisi (ph) from Syria. It's being filled by their attempt, obviously, to take over all of Iraq, but it's also being filled by places like Pakistan, where the Taliban have just launched a major attack on the Karachi airport.

The -- the scope of the problem, in part, is based upon an unwillingness by the president to recognize we have a problem. They're still living back in the day when they claimed we got bin Laden, the terrorism problem is solved.

That wasn't true then. It's even less true today. The threat is bigger than it's ever been. The danger of nuclear proliferation in the hands of terrorists is bigger than it's ever been. We need to dramatically reverse course on our defense budget. We are decimating the defense budget, not al Qaeda. We need to go back to a two war strategy, not the one war strategy that he's put in place.

We have 40 brigades in the United States Army, only four of them are combat ready. He is dramatically limiting the capability of future presidents to deal with crises by virtue of the policies he's taken.

Now, I don't intend any disrespect for the president, but I fundamentally disagree with him. I think he's dead wrong in terms of the course he's taken this nation and I think we're in for big trouble in the years ahead because of his refusal to recognize reality and because of his continual emphasis upon getting the U.S. basically to withdraw from that part of the world.

KARL: On virtually everything you just mentioned, it seems you also have a debate within your own party. Rand Paul -- and many see him as the frontrunner for the Republican nomination in 2016, given where he stands, again, in opposition to much of what you just talked about, could you support a Republican nominee, Rand Paul, for president?

CHENEY: I haven't picked a nominee yet. But one of the things that's right at the top of my list is whether or not the individual we nominate believes in a strong America, believes in a situation where the United States is able to provide the leadership in the world, basically, to maintain the peace and to take on the al Qaeda types wherever they show up.

Now, Rand Paul and -- by my standards, as I look at his -- his philosophy, is basically an isolationist. That didn't work in the 1930s, it sure as heck won't work in the aftermath of 9/11, when 19 guys armed with airline tickets and box cutters came all the way from Afghanistan and killed 3,000 of our citizens.

BOOM. RAND DOWN FOR THE COUNT.

Also: more redefinition of isolationist.

Shit, who was the idiot in charge who got outsmarted by a bunch of guys with plane tickets and box cutters?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 23, 2014, 06:21:54 PM

Dick Cheney did far more damage to this country than 19 guys with airline tickets and box cutters.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 23, 2014, 09:54:58 PM

Why did Al Qaeda attack under Bush's watch anyway? Did they not know that there was a Republican president in charge and that they'd never succeed?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 12:02:20 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/23/us/phoenix-va-deaths-new-allegations/

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Records of dead veterans were changed or physically altered, some even in recent weeks, to hide how many people died while waiting for care at the Phoenix VA hospital, a whistle-blower told CNN in stunning revelations that point to a new coverup in the ongoing VA scandal.

"Deceased" notes on files were removed to make statistics look better, so veterans would not be counted as having died while waiting for care, Pauline DeWenter said.

DeWenter should know. DeWenter is the actual scheduling clerk at the Phoenix VA who said for the better part of a year she was ordered by supervisors to manage and handle the so-called "secret waiting list," where veterans' names of those seeking medical care were often placed, sometimes left for months with no care at all.
...
It was one of DeWenter's roles to call veterans when appointments became available to schedule them to get a consultation. Sometimes when she made those calls, she'd find that the veteran had died, so she would enter that on their records.

But at least seven times since last October, records that showed that veterans died while waiting for care -- records which DeWenter personally handled and had entered in details of veterans' deaths -- were physically altered, or written over, by someone else, DeWenter said in an exclusive interview with CNN. The changes, or re-writes, listed the veterans as living, not deceased, essentially hiding their deaths.

The alterations had even occurred in recent weeks, she said, in a deliberate attempt to try to hide just how many veterans died while waiting for care, by trying to pretend dead veterans remain alive.
...
Beginning early last year, DeWenter said she was also instructed to hide the crisis at the Phoenix VA medical center by concealing new requests for treatment. This was at a time when the VA was paying bonuses to senior staff whose facilities met the goals of providing care in a timely manner for veterans, typically within 14 days.

New requests by veterans wanting treatment were actually stuffed into a drawer, to make the books look better, according to DeWenter.

Asked what happened to the new requests for appointments, DeWenter said: "They went into a desk drawer.... That would be the secret list."

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/inside-the-vast-liberal-conspiracy-108171.html

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Picture this: millionaires and billionaires gathering under tight security in fancy hotels with powerful politicians and operatives to plot how their network of secret-money groups can engineer a permanent realignment of American politics.

Only, it’s not the Koch brothers. It’s the liberal Democracy Alliance.

The 21 groups at the core of the Democracy Alliance’s portfolio intend to spend $374 million during the midterm election cycle — including nearly $200 million this year — to boost liberal candidates and causes in 2014 and beyond, according to internal documents obtained by POLITICO.

While growing sums of that cash are being spent vilifying the billionaire conservative industrialists Charles and David Koch over their own network’s political spending, the documents reveal the extent to which the Democracy Alliance network mirrors the Kochs’ — and is obsessed with it.

“Conservatives, particularly the Koch Brothers, are playing for keeps with an even more pronounced financial advantages than in recent election cycles,” reads the introduction to a 62-page briefing book provided to donors ahead of April’s annual spring meeting of the DA, as the club is known, at Chicago’s tony Ritz-Carlton hotel.

The briefing book reveals a sort of DA-funded extra-party political machine that includes sophisticated voter databases and plans to mobilize pivotal Democratic voting blocs, air ads boosting Democratic candidates, while also — perhaps ironically — working to reduce the influence of money in politics.

...

It makes public for the first time details of the complete organizational flowchart of the big-money left, including up-to-date budget figures and forecasts, program goals and performance assessments for the 21 core DA groups, including the Center for American Progress, Media Matters, America Votes and the Obama-linked Organizing for Action.

It also includes a “Progressive Infrastructure Map,” with 172 other groups to which the DA recommends that its rich liberal members — including billionaire financier George Soros and Houston trial lawyers Amber and Steve Mostyn — donate.

...

But the prospect of such scrutiny being directed back at the DA was enough of a concern that the group distributed a memo to board members ahead of its Chicago meeting including suggested responses to questions about the club’s secretive rules and closed-press policy, as well as photos of reporters who it was feared might crash the Ritz shindig.

“The truth is political strategists and funders frequently gather to discuss their plans without inviting reporters to listen in,” said DA spokeswoman Stephanie Mueller. “The Democracy Alliance was organized to provide a forum for people with a shared set of principles to coordinate their resources more efficiently and effectively to achieve their common goals – it doesn’t represent a single industry or family, and doesn’t give money directly to organizations.”

...

When Freedom Partners convened the Koch donor network for its semi-annual seminar last week at the St. Regis in Dana Point, California, it bought out all the rooms at the hotel, and security ushered reporters off the premises.

“High levels of security, concealment, deception and oaths of silence — that doesn’t sound anything like a typical conference,” Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid said Thursday in his latest speech from the Senate floor condemning the Kochs. “It sounds more like a cult. But instead of being a religious movement or a secret sect, this is a cult of money, influence and self-serving politics. This is the cult of Koch.”

Yet Reid’s colleagues and allies up to and including Vice President Joe Biden have attended DA meetings, which can be similarly secretive. Though reporters aren’t always barred from them entirely, they aren’t exactly made to feel welcome, either.

DA board members were warned before the meeting in Chicago that reporters might stake out the meeting and were given a list of about 20 journalists — including photos — to watch out for. POLITICO obtained the list, which included four of its own journalists, including this reporter, as well as Jennifer Haberkorn, Tarini Parti and Byron Tau.

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• Voter data: Soros and other DA backers laid the seed money in 2005 for the for-profit company Catalist, which pioneered the privatization of political data. Late last year, he committed an additional $2.25 million to Catalist, which is now seen within the tech community as lagging behind other Democratic outfits, though the DA briefing boasts that “conservatives are investing heavily to catch up in this area, using Catalist as a model.” Koch-related nonprofits have poured at least $24 million into Themis, a voter database now considered the class of the conservative data universe.
• Hispanic voter outreach: The DA in the 2014 cycle expects to steer $3.9 million from its donors (out of a total $6.2 million budget) to the Latino Engagement Fund, which is working with other groups to register 250,000 new voters in eight key states, while Freedom Partners in 2012 donated $3.1 million to the LIBRE Initiative, which has aired anti-Obamacare ads targeting Latino voters.
• Millennial outreach: The DA expects to steer $1.7 million to the Youth Engagement Fund, which aims to register 200,000 voters in nine key states and to “conduct millennial polling research to craft effective messaging that demonstrably improves organizations’ ability to engage and mobilize young people.” Freedom Partners in 2012 donated $5 million to Generation Opportunity, which has spent heavily on ads and other outreach urging young voters to oppose Democratic politicians and policies.
• Women voter outreach: The DA expects its donors to give $2 million to the Women’s Equality Center, which plans to push to “increase turnout among low-propensity women voters in the 2014 elections in 10 states,” according to the briefing, while Freedom Partners in 2012 gave $8.2 million to Concerned Women for America Legislative Action Committee, which pushes to elevate conservative social issues.
• Ground organizing: DA partners have donated at least $1.87 million to Organizing for Action, the nonprofit created to mobilize activists to support Obama’s agenda, which appears on pace to meet a $19 million 2014 fundraising goal. Americans for Prosperity, the most aggressive political group in the Koch network, plans a 2014 budget of more than $125 million, which will be spent on everything from ground organizing to television ads bashing Democrats.
• Judicial advocacy: The DA predicts its partners will provide $1.5 million of the projected $4.7 million 2014 budget of the American Constitution Society, which last year helped get “five members of ACS network confirmed to federal bench, including three of four new D.C. circuit members,” according to the DA briefing. The Federalist Society, which advocates on conservative judicial issues, since 2010 has received $3.4 million in grants from foundations associated with donors in the Koch network.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 12:09:55 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/24/upshot/24up-scotus-agreement-rates.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/24/upshot/24up-scotus-agreement-rates.html?_r=0)
(http://i.imgur.com/JGxk3S5.png)

Reminds me: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/06/19/supreme-court-issues-three-unanimous-opinions-in-three-low-profile-cases/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2014/06/19/supreme-court-issues-three-unanimous-opinions-in-three-low-profile-cases/)

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With today’s three unanimous opinions, the Court has been unanimous in 41 of the 62 cases decided after argument this term.  This means the Court will have been unanimous in a clear majority of cases decided this term no matter what happens next week.  This will be the first time the Court has been unanimous in a majority of argued cases in quite some time. And even were the Court to split 5-4 in all of the remaining cases, this would account for only one-quarter of the Court’s decisions from this term.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2014, 01:08:03 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2014, 02:26:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2014, 02:24:59 PM

So what the fuck is the conspiracy.

The initial conspiracy was that the IRS was only "targeting" conservative groups, but that turned out to be a lie pushed by Darrell Issa. As for why it still persists...well...a BLACK BLACK BLACKETY BLACK BLACK Democrat is still in the White House, is why.

ftfy

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2014, 08:02:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 12:02:20 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/inside-the-vast-liberal-conspiracy-108171.html

Which is why all money, regardless of its source, needs to get out of politics.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 24, 2014, 09:03:15 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2014, 08:02:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 12:02:20 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/inside-the-vast-liberal-conspiracy-108171.html

Which is why all money, regardless of its source, needs to get out of politics.

"While Harry Reid demonizes conservative billionaire donors, George Soros!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2014, 09:46:44 AM

Although Islam has a religious component, it is much more than a simple religious ideology. It is a complete geo-political structure and, as such, does not deserve First Amendment protection."

-- Georgia congressional candidate Jody Hice (R)

:facepalm


Oh, this guy has a history of crazy talk:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jody_Hice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 24, 2014, 01:24:32 PM

It is well known that the first amendment does not protect political speech. This is why tea party groups are careful to remain nonpartisan.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 01:31:00 PM

Don't republicans often essentially argue Christianity is a geo-political ideology?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on June 24, 2014, 01:49:55 PM

Quote from: The Business on June 24, 2014, 09:33:34 AM

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We create a vacuum and it's being filled. And today, it's being filled by ISIS -- by Sisi (ph) from Syria.

What does the (ph) indicate here? I've never seen that before.

I'm guessing the ph stands for phonetics, like they don't know what the proper/official spelling is so they did their best guess based on how it sounds.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 24, 2014, 01:51:10 PM

Sisi is Isis spelled backwards  :ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 02:24:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2014, 08:02:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 12:02:20 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/inside-the-vast-liberal-conspiracy-108171.html

Which is why all money, regardless of its source, needs to get out of politics.

I agree, but will make a moderate compromise, cut the expense side of the budget by 10% every year (and taxes and fees by 8%) until it's zeroed out.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2014, 02:25:56 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 02:24:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2014, 08:02:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 12:02:20 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/06/inside-the-vast-liberal-conspiracy-108171.html

Which is why all money, regardless of its source, needs to get out of politics.

I agree, but will make a moderate compromise, cut the expense side of the budget by 10% every year (and taxes and fees by 8%) until it's zeroed out.

:beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 02:31:41 PM

Fine fine, 20%/16% a year. But I just don't think getting rid of all the money in politics at once will work out well.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2014, 02:33:48 PM

:beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 02:39:21 PM

You did say "regardless of its source" cutie.

(http://i.imgur.com/YTG2PZC.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 24, 2014, 08:17:04 PM

http://www.salon.com/2014/06/24/a_swat_team_blew_a_hole_in_my_2_year_old_son/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 08:44:20 PM

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They searched for drugs and never found any.

Just proves that the perps had time to flush the evidence. If anything these parents should be in custody for endangering their children by moving them into a house with drugs and bad guys. "I would suggest that you should have a far more responsible father if they are truly concerned about the well being of their children."

EDIT: Dammit policeone, I thought I was going farther than you could:

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Posted by timruns on Friday, May 30, 2014 09:29 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
    Lesson #1, don't live with meth dealers. The reporter states the mom knew there was "suspicious activity."
I had a warrant not long ago where we were told our house was not known to have firearms, dogs, or kids (the 3 things we note). There were guns and a dog. The CI and surveillance will only provide so much info. The rest is a risk -- by the officers and the people who live there and put themselves in that situation. There are no perfect scenarios.

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Posted by mac114 on Friday, May 30, 2014 10:29 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
   OK, so "mom", or the egg donor if you prefer, stays at a residence known for drug dealing. Great decision on her part with the welfare of her children definately not her first priority. The family just hit the ghetto lotto and will get a check for this.
This is the type of story that the haters will pick up on and scream about the jack-booted police using excessive force and injuring children. The story about the two ofcrs pushing the vet home on his broken down scooter? CRICKETs.........

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Posted by Kenstah on Friday, May 30, 2014 10:58 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
    Poor baby....hope he recovers from the injury and that he gets a fighting chance at a decent life, not looking good so far with present parentage or lack thereof.

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Posted by PISCMARINE on Friday, May 30, 2014 12:20 AM Pacific    Report Abuse

...and yeh...it's a shame that kid got injured because his parents were willfully stupid and put him in that situation!

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Posted by dpsnarc on Friday, May 30, 2014 01:09 PM Pacific    Report Abuse
   In my opinion if the parents sell dope around their children they should be charged with endangering a child. I'm sure the raid entry team feels really bad about the child getting hurt.

The CI is burned to the ground and will need to watch his back.

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Posted by 1904-vpd on Friday, May 30, 2014 07:28 PM Pacific    Report Abuse
    Yea, too bad about the kid.... However only one to blame is the D-Bag family, dont put your kid in a drug house.

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Posted by BORDERMAN on Saturday, May 31, 2014 04:38 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
    As sad as this is this is not the fault of the Police. The scum bag mother is to blame here.

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Posted by DJDUKE on Saturday, May 31, 2014 06:07 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
   WOW, REALLY? I CAN'T BELIEVE THE NUMBER OF "SO CALLED" OFFICERS ON THIS THREAD THAT ARE BLAMING THE POLICE ON THIS ISSUE! DID YOU READ THE ARTICLE?

THIS WAS NOT THE INJURED CHILD'S HOME. THE FAMILY WAS VISITING FROM OUT OF TOWN. THE PROBLEM IS THEY WERE SLEEPING IN A DRUG PUSHER'S HOME!!!!

SAD, YES, NO DOUBT ABOUT IT. THE CHILD SUFFERED FOR HIS PARENTS STUPIDITY. DON'T BLAME THE OFFICERS WHEN THE RESPONSIBILITY LIES WITH THE ADULT PARENTS IN THIS SITUATION!

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Posted by joe hoffman on Saturday, May 31, 2014 06:49 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
    While I'm generally not a fan of no knock warrants and it's heartbreaking to see that little boy's injuries, I have to say that I agree with BORDERMAN and DJDUKE here. Alecia Phonesavanh acknowledged that she was aware of "suspicious activity" going on inside the residence and she STILL let her family stay there. That makes her a lousy fucking parent and a lowlife piece of shit as far as I'm concerned.

The police did their homework for this assignment, but we all know there are sometimes unforeseen factors in these situations. While the officers will never be "in the right" on this one, there is more than enough blame to go around for the boy's injuries.

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Posted by Smeared1 on Saturday, May 31, 2014 07:37 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
    It's too bad the Officers didn't use their psychic abilities to determine out of town visitors would be at the home at the time of the warrant execution. Here's the truth, the fault lies with the turd homeowner. HOWEVER, the Dept will have to pay.

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Posted by DJDUKE on Sunday, June 01, 2014 06:35 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
   Sorry, our department writes reports all caps, so I usually do everything in caps.

I do have to say, that I don't have as much tactical experience as some of you, but my child has never stayed in a home were drugs were present. I would not associate with people who do drugs!! I have sheltered many a child for scum bag parents!!

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Posted by Smeared1 on Monday, June 02, 2014 08:28 AM Pacific    Report Abuse
    @Kev360, perhaps the "unmarked" has xray vision? Maybe 24/7 surveillance in an FBI type surveillance van would provide enough intel after some time.....MAYBE. Still, would the knowledge that a child was present in the home change the no knock warrant? Would it change the tactical decision to use a flashbang? Maybe....maybe not. Alot of assumptions on your part. One thing still remains fact however...and that is that the true fault in this situation belongs to the home owner.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 08:53:25 PM

http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/raw-video-habersham-county-sheriff-explains-raid/vCcXcN/

 :goty2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 24, 2014, 09:24:38 PM

I'd move to a safer neighborhood, like one were the constant gang shootouts and drive-bys keep the cops away.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on June 24, 2014, 09:27:26 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 24, 2014, 09:24:38 PM

I'd move to a safer neighborhood, like one were the constant gang shootouts and drive-bys keep the cops away.

Thug Protection ^TM. Call now and receive a free ratchet.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 09:54:37 PM

MS senate run off was today. Seems like it's gonna be tight

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@Redistrict 3m

Turnout up 61.9% (!) in heavily black Humphreys Co., Cochran winning w/ 79%. Up 61.2% in nearby Sharkey Co, Cochran at 82%. #MSSEN

wow. I figured Cochran would see an increase but I'm shocked his black vote strategy has worked so well. I understand democrat strategists are furious about this, since they believe McDaniel would be an easier opponent to defeat in November...but honestly I want to see McDaniel lose bad tonight. His ties to racist groups alone are reason to make sure he doesn't get within an inch of the United States senate. If Cochran wins I doubt he'll change his stance on many issues that benefit blacks, even though a win would be thanks to black votes, but I'd be fine with that instead of having McDaniel there.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 11:05:39 PM

Cochran wins!  :lol :lol :lol :rejoice

Tea Party :piss2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2014, 11:10:51 PM

Can't wait to see all the Tea Party freakout tomorrow over Cochran using African American Democrats to help him steal the election.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 11:25:14 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/381162/looking-good-mcdaniel-henry-olsen

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Looking Good for McDaniel
By  Henry Olsen
June 24, 2014 10:15 PM

Cochran is gaining votes in the Delta, but he’s running behind his June 3 performance in the northeast and most other non-Delta counties. In two counties (Wilkinson and Amite) in the SW of the state where results are in, McDaniel won with larger percentages and higher turnouts than on June 3. When Jones and DeSoto start reporting large numbers, Thad’s lead will evaporate. It will be close, but as of now I think McDaniel wins by 1-3 points.

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Scott Wilson  des111168 • 27 minutes ago
The Republican senate candidate in one of the deepest red states has just been selected by Obama voters.

#somethingiswrong

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Richard Reed • 17 minutes ago
With 97% of the vote in, McDaniel is losing by just under 4300 votes. McDaniel would have won rather easily, had just Republicans voted. But Cochran's typical RINO, last minute trick of soliciting liberal Democratic voters to jigger the GOP primary (even though that is illegal in Mississippi, unless you plan to vote Republican in November) seems to have worked. The left has chosen our candidate for us in Mississippi.

The GOP Establishment, just like their lawless colleagues on the left, will use any corrupt trick to protect their privilege and position. For me, this is the last straw, as far as they are concerned.

This one warms my heart:

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Matt E  Richard Reed • 13 minutes ago
I remember back in 2004 when I was young and naiive and used to like guys like Barbour and Karl Rove. These guys are evil SoB's - kind of like the Chamber of Commerce. Too many low information voters. Too many people don't understand the stakes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2014, 11:27:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrD7N2JMaJc

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2014, 11:45:09 PM

reading those comments...actually it's an open primary, which means you can vote in either primary regardless of party, as long as you only vote in one. And in November you can then vote for anyone you want.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 24, 2014, 11:54:41 PM

Quote from: Mississippi code of elections

No person shall be eligible to participate in any primary election unless he intends to support the nominations made in the primary in which he participates.

But I can't find anything in there about actually enforcing it, so.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 12:07:45 AM

sheeit, ok. I thought it was completely open, unlike some of the dem primaries in 2008 where republicans were voting for Hillary to prolong the nomination process.

McDaniel can't run as a third party, the registration is closed. However he could run as a write in...which could potentially throw the race to the democrat (who is apparently electable according to what I've read).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2014, 12:19:14 AM

It is completely open, party loyalty oaths are unenforceable with a secret ballot and I would assume the Supreme Court probably would find them unconstitutional.

MS has a sore-loser law anyhow.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 12:24:53 AM

Sounds like he's gonna run as a write-in candidate after inevitably losing the legal challenge. He just refused to concede lol.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?320130-3/chris-mcdaniel-primary-night-speech

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 25, 2014, 02:17:01 AM

the Cheney and co talks about some huge nuke attack on the US sound more and more like their personally fantasy

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2014, 02:34:10 AM

This MS thing is actually kinda interesting as it brings up all these old forgotten laws. The AG said this:

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Crossover voting prohibited
Crossover voting is prohibited in the State of Mississippi. Crossover voting is defined as participation in the first primary of one political party and participation in the runoff primary of another party. Thus, a voter who cast his/her ballot in the Democratic Primary Election on June 3 is prohibited from casting his/her ballot in the Republican Primary Runoff Election on June 24, and vice versa. See MS AG Op., Brown (April 7, 1988).

And the Democratic Party actually attempted to find a way to enforce this law in their own primaries against crossover voting:
http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cpub%5C07/07-60667-CV0.wpd.pdf (http://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions%5Cpub%5C07/07-60667-CV0.wpd.pdf)

Quotes in the spoiler:

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In June 2003, the Mississippi State Democratic Party and Mississippi
State Democratic Party Executive Committee (collectively “MSDP”) asked the
state attorney general (“AG”) how the party could enforce § 23-15-575, which it
had not done before. The MSDP wanted to curtail alleged “party raiding” and
crossover voting “whereby voters in sympathy with one party designate
themselves as voters of another party so as to influence or determine the results
of the other party’s primary.”2 This practice is forbidden by the plain language
of § 23-15-575. The AG responded with an opinion (“Cole Opinion”) stating that
a party may challenge a voter in a primary only in accordance with Miss. Code
Ann. § 23-15-579, which outlines strict procedures for challenging a voter. The
AG stated further that a voter may be challenged only for the reasons listed in Miss. Code Ann. § 23-15-571

According to the AG:

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[W]e find nothing that would allow a poll worker, poll watcher or
another voter to ask a voter if he or she intends to support the
nominees of the party once the voter presents himself or herself to
vote. Challenges may be made . . . for the reason that the voter
does not intend to support the nominees of the party per Section 23-
15-575 . . .
If a challenge of a voter is properly initiated in strict accordance
with Section 23-15-579 and the voter then openly declares that he
or she does not intend to support the nominees of the party, the poll
workers could find the challenge to be well taken and mark the
ballot “challenged” or “rejected” consistent with the provisions of
said statute. On the other hand, if the voter openly declares his or
her intent to support the nominees, then a challenge is not proper
under Section 23-15-575.
. . . .
[W]e have previously opined that absent an obvious factual situation
such as an independent candidate attempting to vote in a party's
primary, the stated intent of the voter is controlling. . . . No past
action by a voter can form the basis of a valid challenge under
Section 23-15-571(3)(g) and Section 23-15-575.

....

In August 2003, the MSDP sought preclearance to implement the semiclosed primary system that § 23-15-575 allowed. The MSDP did not seek
preclearance to implement a closed primary system in which the voters must be
registered Democrats. Due to the vagueness of the party’s submission, the DOJ
could not understand what changes MSDP sought to effect, and it found the
party’s filing incomplete and not “ripe for review,” and warned that any changes
to voting procedures that the MSDP may have adopted were legally
unenforceable without preclearance.
he MSDP turned next to federal court, filing a complaint against
members of the Mississippi State Board of Election Commissioners
5
on the basis
that § 23-15-575 unconstitutionally infringes its First Amendment right of association.

6
The party asserts a First Amendment right to exclude nonDemocrats from participating in Democratic primaries. Most pertinent are its
requests for a judgment declaring Miss. Code Ann. § 23-15-575 unconstitutional
and the AG’s  Cole Opinion inconsistent with the Supreme Court’s decision in
California Democratic Party v. Jones.
7
The MSDP also sought an injunction permanently restraining the state
defendants from: (1) conducting any partisan primary without affording the
MSDP reasonable opportunity in advance of that primary to exercise its rights
to define participation in that primary; (2) conducting any partisan primary
without (a) implementing a reasonable mechanism for that primary to effectuate
the MSDP’s exercise of its right to limit participation in that primary, and
(b) providing a means for the MSDP to verify who participated in its primary
and communicate with its supporters and members who identified themselves
by participating in the primary; and (3) encouraging or facilitating, directly or
indirectly, party raiding by Republican and independent voters in connection
with any partisan primary except to the extent expressly authorized by the
MSDP for that primary.

...

In its cross-motion, the MSDP disclaimed authority to hold a closed
primary under § 23-15-275 because there is no party registration in Mississippi
and no way to verify whether a prospective primary voter “intends” to support
the same party in the primary and the general election. The MSDP further
argued that its claims were ripe for judicial review because it has no means to
enforce § 23-15-275, and the issue of the statute’s constitutionality affects past
and future primaries.

...

The party unquestionably pleaded a constitutional injury by alleging that
Mississippi’s semi-closed primary statute requires it to associate with members
of the other party during its candidate-selection process.

...

MSDP primarily relies on the Fourth Circuit’s opinion in Miller to support
its argument that it has standing. In that case, a local GOP organization sought
a declaration that Virginia’s open primary law violated its First Amendment
right of association.  Miller, 462 F.3d at 316. The GOP amended its “Plan of
Organization” to exclude voters who participated in the nomination process of
another party within the preceding five years before the primary.  Id. at 314.
The Fourth Circuit, reversing the district court, held that the GOP had standing
because Democratic “party raiding” was inevitable and the GOP had to know
what process would govern candidate selection.
MSDP contends that, like the GOP in Miller, it has standing to challenge
a statute that produces imminent harm by altering the nature of its candidate
selection process.  See Clingman, 544 U.S. at 600, 125 S.Ct. at 2043 (O’Connor,J., concurring) (“[T]he choice of who will participate in selecting a party’s
candidate obviously plays a critical role in determining both the party’s message
and its prospects of success in the electoral contest.”). But  Miller is
distinguishable because while the GOP had made and attempted to implement
plans to hold closed primaries, the MSDP has done neither.

...

It is certainly conceivable, for instance, that the party’s mere public
announcement of its intent to challenge suspected non-Democratic voters would
discourage raiding attempts. Further, the party admitted in discovery that it
was unaware of any primary voters who did not support Democratic Party
principles or intend to support the party’s nominees. In sum, while it might be
true that § 23-15-575 permits party raiding, the existence and extent of such
raiding are factual questions that cannot be assessed until MSDP has made
some effort to enforce the existing law. Only after § 23-15-575 has been enforced
can the novel legal issue of its effect on the MSDP’s associational rights be
compared with the blanket primary at issue in Jones.

[close]

Now I'm not so sure that McDaniel doesn't have some kind of a tiny case to try and throw out any crossover votes if they can somehow identify them. (EDIT: MS uses separate ballots for each parties primary.)

This crossover voting thing has been such a big deal in Michigan they changed the law to block it, then changed the law to allow the parties to decide and the parties went back and forth for cycles before they finally decided to change the law and make them open primaries around 2000. But the best part is that BOTH parties actually have a convention to determine who primary candidates can be. (Or at least used to, I know GOP still does.)

But I'm a dorkus who has found it interesting how the primary vs. party establishment battles have been going on for over a century now and the closest thing to a possible "solution" is the Republicans plan (if they're still going to try it, haven't checked on that) for their next Presidential Primary which if it works might actually succeed in making the primaries relevant but also better controlled by the party.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2014, 08:05:03 AM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on June 25, 2014, 02:17:01 AM

the Cheney and co talks about some huge nuke attack on the US sound more and more like their personally fantasy

We saw what they could get done because of 19 guys with box cutters, imagine what kinds of laws they'd get passed if an American city got blasted to hell.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2014, 09:04:03 AM

Crossover voting law  :lol

They should just have a law that blacks can't vote in gop races.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2014, 04:36:02 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/beck-gets-so-angry-at-gop-he-shoots-his-rifle-in-the-middle-of-radio-show/

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Glenn Beck got really ticked off at Republicans today over the defeat of Chris McDaniel to Mississippi Senator Thad Cochran. How pissed was he? While his radio show was going on, Beck (who did his show remotely from his ranch today) jumped off for a minute to walk outside and shoot his rifle.

(http://i.imgur.com/KPsjr3a.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2014, 05:21:53 PM

de Blasio finally settled with the Central Park Five [$1 million per year in prison]; Donald Trump is still furious about it, although for different reasons this time:

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/closeread/2014/06/donald-trump-and-the-central-park-five.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 05:54:31 PM

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Nate Silver @NateSilver538

Without an increase in vote from Democratic-leaning, African-American counties, Cochran would have lost by ~8%.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/it-looks-like-african-americans-really-did-help-thad-cochran-win/

wow

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2014, 06:04:07 PM

Get mixed up with neo-confederate groups brehs :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2014, 07:59:03 PM

(http://c6.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/pic_corner.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 08:04:11 PM

No lies detected. If you were black and from Mississippi, what would you think when you heard "extremist republican candidate sending election observers to polls to prevent fraud"? Let me answer that for you:

(http://replygif.net/i/891.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2014, 08:09:59 PM

RAND PAUL EXPOSED AGAIN:

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Senator Rand Paul (R., Ky.) defended the constitutionality of his plan to restore the voting rights of some felons, making an argument for the authority of Congress to regulate federal elections that is analogous to his theory for why he can run for president and reelection to the Senate simultaneously.

Paul invoked the Supreme Court’s decision invalidating an Arizona attempt to add a requirement to how people register to vote in federal elections. “The Supreme Court in the Arizona case said that Arizona could not add additional regulations to federal elections but they could to state elections,” Paul told reporters Wednesday. “So the Supreme court said state and federal essentially are different jurisdictions. So, federal elections, congress does have jurisdiction. We wouldn’t be affecting state voting rights.”

Last year, the Supreme Court ruled that Arizona could not “requir[e] a federal form applicant to submit information beyond that required by the form itself,” as Justice Antonin Scalia wrote.

“If the Supreme Court’s ruling in the Arizona case is concluded out you’d actually have two ballots,” Paul said. ”It’d be a little weird, but, you’d have a federal ballot and a state ballot and there’d be different rules. I don’t think state legislatures are allowed to legislate on federal ballots, and the federal is not on the state, but I think we are allowed to make restrictions on what the rules are for voting for federal ballots.”

Paul’s argument in this case is analogous to the one his team is making against a Kentucky law that bans a candidate from running for two electoral offices at the same time.

“I hadn’t thought of that, but maybe there is a little bit of analogy,” the prospective presidential candidate allowed. “The Supreme court said Washington state could not pass a term limit on federal legislators because that would make them different from the rest of the states. It would probably be the same with regard to someone running for president.”

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The Zman • 2 hours ago
This another example of why you can never trust libertarians. Of all the pressing issues facing the country, this guy picks felon voting to champion. Maybe he was concerned that he had not secured the wacko vote and decided this was the winning issue.

The Doctor  The Zman • 2 hours ago
Are we sure he's really a libertarian, and not an agent from the looney-left trying to screw things up for conservatives again?

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Jalamanta • 2 hours ago
Rand Paul: Establishment RINO/Democrat/Socialist/Communist

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Amatorem Veritatis  Combat Override • an hour ago
The Founders had a vigorous and legitimate debate regarding the appropriate basis for earning the privilege to vote, including whether women, felons and those who are not property owners have the requisite sense of responsibility to exercise the vote. They got it right regarding women & felons, and should have also required property ownership as well. Things have been going to Hell since women received the franchise (truth sometimes is painful, Sweetie), and we can certainly see the effects of those who have no sense of ownership regarding their time, talent and treasure. Adding convicted felons only makes a bad situation worse.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 10:20:48 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCO4oFNiWtE

:beezy

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2014, 10:29:16 PM

"Establishment Communist"?

Is that what Cheezmo and his crew call me behind my back?  :goty2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2014, 10:29:42 PM

PD, how much did you get paid for that ad?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2014, 10:48:18 PM

hey maybe black people should walk around with automatic weapons and intimidate people, I'm sure it'll be ok oh wait
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulford_Act

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2014, 09:12:13 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/boehner-sue-obama-executive-action

House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) on Wednesday confirmed he's planning on filing a lawsuit to challenge the Obama administration's executive actions.

"I am," he told reporters. His intentions were leaked on Tuesday afternoon.

Boehner didn't provide details on which executive actions he'd challenge, saying, "When I make that decision, I'll let you know." He said that "when there's conflicts like this between the legislative and administrative [sic] branch it's our responsibility to stand up."

(http://i.imgur.com/FQwMleA.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2014, 03:55:12 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-panelist-obama-world-cup-distraction

"I'm suspect," Dr. Keith Ablow said Thursday on "Outnumbered" as the US men's national team faced off against Germany. "I am suspect because, here's the thing. Why, at a time when there are so many national and international issues of such prominence -- I'm a little suspicious of yet another bread-and-circus routine. Let's roll out the marijuana, pull back the laws, and get people even more crazy about yet another entertainment event."

Ablow's four female co-hosts weren't buying it, interrupting him with protests of "what?" and "what's wrong with you?"

"This is a way to distract people," Ablow continued. "This is like Rome. I can see why Obama would love the World Cup --"

"What are you talking about?" interjected Kimberly Guilfoyle, who said her son plays soccer. "This is encouraging for kids to get out and play sports, and you can play soccer from a young age."

Ablow continued to insist he found it odd that "people are playing games more than ever" when there are other pressing issues to pay attention to. He didn't enumerate what those issues may be.

:what

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2014, 04:03:08 PM

There wasn't a World Cup last year, now this year there suddenly is one, right when Obama is finally starting to face some criticism? Seems pretty convenient.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 26, 2014, 10:34:09 PM

Obama is such a genius he somehow conspired to create a world footballing event before he was even born in order to throw people off whatever it his he is supposed to be concentrating on other interational issues.

It's weird that only Soccer has this distracting ability and all traditional US sports don't seem to cause any sort of issues even though we are reminded that Soccer (short for Socialist Cancer) is not popular and Americans hate it ... except Obamsy because he's a Kenyan Muslim Communist Europig i guess - bet he's at home watching it every night. Lazy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 26, 2014, 10:58:45 PM

the La Crosse Jai Alai Championships in October to distract from the midterms is going to be even more exciting.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 27, 2014, 08:36:05 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-boehner-lawsuit-stunt

“The suit is a stunt,” Obama told ABC New's George Stephanopoulos in an interview during a visit to Minneapolis, Minnesota.

“You notice that he didn't specifically say what exactly he was objecting to,” he added. “I'm not going to apologize for trying to do something while they're doing nothing."

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"The majority of the American people want immigration reform done," he said. "We had a bipartisan bill through the Senate, and you're going to squawk if I try to fix some parts of it administratively that are within my authority? While you're not doing anything?"

:obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2014, 11:58:02 AM

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Lorie described one precinct where a “little sixteen year-old blonde female” McDaniel supporter was holding a sign and older men would drive by and threaten her.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking-enough-invalidated-votes-to-overturn-cochran-victory/

did I hear a feint whistle?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 12:46:22 PM

Just proves that you're the real racist if you can hear the whistle!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 27, 2014, 12:49:14 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2014, 11:58:02 AM

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Lorie described one precinct where a “little sixteen year-old blonde female” McDaniel supporter was holding a sign and older men would drive by and threaten her.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/06/breaking-enough-invalidated-votes-to-overturn-cochran-victory/

did I hear a feint whistle?

The state legislature is controlled by Republicans, they could have changed the open vote rules if they really wanted to. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2014, 02:27:14 PM

well damn
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/06/tea-party-leader-commits-suicide-following-loss.html

The highly contentious Republican Senate primary in Mississippi turned extremely tragic today following incumbent Thad Cochran's narrow victory over a tea party challenger. Mark Mayfield, an attorney and the vice chairman of the Mississippi Tea Party, was found dead today of an apparent suicide. The 58-year-old was arrested last month and charged with conspiracy in an alleged plot to photograph Cochran's ailing wife for political use in the campaign.

The felony charges came when Mayfield allegedly worked with conservative blogger Clayton Kelly and a local elementary school teacher to help candidate Chris McDaniel by obtaining footage of the senator's wife in a nursing home. Cochran defeated McDaniel in a run-off on Tuesday.

Mayfield reportedly died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. "This is a terrible tragedy that shouldn't have happened," his lawyer told Reuters.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on June 27, 2014, 03:45:46 PM

Fucker's existence was a tragedy but fortunately now it's over. :teehee

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 27, 2014, 04:31:36 PM

Hasn't every cruz/palin backed candidate lost so far?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 27, 2014, 06:10:19 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/frank-lucas-body-double-accusation

On Tuesday, Timothy Ray Murray (pictured) challenged longtime incumbent Rep. Frank Lucas (R-OK) for the Republican nomination in Oklahoma's 3rd Congressional district. Murray lost, but he did manage to pull in 3,442 votes, good for 5.2 percent of the total. Now Murray says he will contest the outcome of the election. Because, he says, Lucas is dead and has been replaced by a "look alike."

"The election for U.S. House for Oklahoma’s 3rd District will be contested by the Candidate, Timothy Ray Murray," Murray wrote in a press release posted on his campaign website. "I will be stating that his votes are switched with Rep. Lucas votes, because it is widely known Rep. Frank D. Lucas is no longer alive and has been displayed by a look alike."

On the website, Murray claims that Lucas and "a few other Oklahoma and other States’ Congressional Members," were executed "on or about" Jan. 11, 2011 in southern Ukraine.

"On television they were depicted as being executed by the hanging about the neck until death on a white stage and in front of witnesses," the website claims. "Other now current Members of Congress have shared those facts on television also. We know that it is possible to use look alike artificial or manmade replacements, however Rep. Lucas was not eligible to serve as a Congressional Member after that time."

:oklahomacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2014, 06:14:36 PM

Lose a primary to a Life Model Decoy, breh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2014, 06:30:06 PM

Frank Lucas, also known by his birthname Franz Soetoro...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 06:32:07 PM

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I, Timothy Ray Murray, own properties in Perkins, OK and near Buffalo, Oklahoma. The previously stated land properties in or near those cities contain dwelling buildings made of brick and or stone. I am also a partial owner of oil, gases, and minerals rights of other Oklahoma land. Despite what President Obama said on television about slapping anyone that votes for Oil barons, I am sure that will not happen for voting for Timothy Ray Murray. (The President was joking. He knows that is illegal, and that no one should ever do that.)

I have lived most of my life in Oklahoma and I currently reside in Moore, Oklahoma.
I plan to relocate to Oklahoma’s 3rd District after honored to serve The People as their Representative.

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Congress is likely wanting me to state that all my DNA used will not result in benefits to people I have never had relations with of a family nature.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2014, 06:39:03 PM

His website looks like it has the makings of a Timecube: http://www.timothyraymurray.com/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2014, 06:49:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2014, 06:39:03 PM

His website looks like it has the makings of a Timecube: http://www.timothyraymurray.com/

Guns, freedom, and Bubsy 3D.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 07:28:26 PM

Jonah Goldberg with a synthesis of conservative critique on Piketty: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/mr-pikettys-big-book-of-marxiness/

Mentions a Thomas Frank one that hits on some of the poor history: http://www.salon.com/2014/05/11/the_problem_with_thomas_piketty_capital_destroys_right_wing_lies_but_theres_one_solution_it_forgets/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2014, 07:41:01 PM

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 07:45:45 PM

Anti-semite.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2014, 08:26:44 PM

benji, I know we "political outliers who have to play chill at the Bore because the Bore is a chill space" brehs, but it's really hard for me to start reading an article whose title includes the word Marxiness.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 27, 2014, 08:45:47 PM

saw "jonah goldberg"; didn't read

edit: mandark beat me to it

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2014, 09:27:15 PM

Quote from: Karakand on June 27, 2014, 08:26:44 PM

benji, I know we "political outliers who have to play chill at the Bore because the Bore is a chill space" brehs, but it's really hard for me to start reading an article whose title includes the word Marxiness.

you're a conservative? always good to see a Jew who has escaped the mental work camp of liberalism
:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2014, 09:40:14 PM

I prefer to think of it as freeing myself from being the liberal szlachta's arendator on the Ukrainian plantation, but using plantation is problematic (Probably offensive. -Ed.) in an American context, and fucking nobody knows about the Khmelnytsky Uprising.

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I was one once.  :fbm

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When I was a child that'd never lived outside the Orange Curtain, or experienced anything but the comforts provided by living in a thoroughly petite bourgeoisie household.  :neogaf

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2014, 09:56:36 PM

He's a commie or thereabouts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2014, 10:15:21 PM

Succinct, accurate, and on point as always, Tov. Mandark.  (I especially like the "or thereabouts".) :heartbeat

I remember after the last presidential election I was working in a very openly conservative CPA's office (which isn't uncommon) first thing the morning after and everyone else in the office was nastily bemoaning the previous night's result while I fastidiously maintained my apolitical public persona and just did my work but at some point in their group therapy someone made a quip at me to not mind their behavior if I was a Democrat and I almost started laughing uncontrollably.  :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2014, 10:32:06 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 27, 2014, 09:56:36 PM

He's a commie or thereabouts.

There's definitely a touch of Marxiness to him.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2014, 10:43:44 PM

Quote from: Karakand on June 27, 2014, 10:15:21 PM

Succinct, accurate, and on point as always, Tov. Mandark.  (I especially like the "or thereabouts".) :heartbeat

I remember after the last presidential election I was working in a very openly conservative CPA's office (which isn't uncommon) first thing the morning after and everyone else in the office was nastily bemoaning the previous night's result while I fastidiously maintained my apolitical public persona and just did my work but at some point in their group therapy someone made a quip at me to not mind their behavior if I was a Democrat and I almost started laughing uncontrollably.  :whew

what are your thoughts on :obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2014, 11:04:17 PM

Esch brings that LF flavor from SA to the Bore.  :heartbeat

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2014, 10:43:44 PM

what are your thoughts on :obama

I'll tell you what, he was not what we were promised by the Kenya People's Union.  :ufup

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I voted for him.  :yeshrug

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Because the Party told me to.

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J/K

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Though IIRC the CPUSA endorsed him.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2014, 11:17:11 PM

That spelling of America was popular with (some) posters at the LF subforum at Something Awful.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2014, 11:28:33 PM

It was a no holds barred political forum, which basically meant it became a haven for that ilk.

Or so I'm told by its exiles I associate with. (I was just a YCS poster.)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2014, 11:42:16 PM

AmeriKKKa is a long standing proper name for the world's most evil country. I don't even think Ice Cube was the originator, but came from the 1960/70's or something.

Quote from: Karakand on June 27, 2014, 08:26:44 PM

benji, I know we "political outliers who have to play chill at the Bore because the Bore is a chill space" brehs, but it's really hard for me to start reading an article whose title includes the word Marxiness.

We're just playing?  :(

The "Marxiness" comes from in his argument of trying to come up with a way to describe Piketty's refusal to step over the line into Marxism and claiming he's not one while, in Goldberg's view, repeating basically the same argument only more poorly than Marx did.

I thought it a nice companion piece to the earlier Galbraith one in plucking away the hype feathers and putting their fingers often right on why I was so underwhelmed and bored when I actually read the thing. Namely, in my case, Galbraith put into words the confusion I was having with Piketty's lacking definition of capital, and Goldberg hits on the incongruity in switching back and forth between it being a historical work and data analysis while doing neither justice and messing with standards as this happens.

I think Goldberg's a lousy regular columnist but when he does long form work he's pretty good at synthesis and the type research necessary for that. Here he's not just yelling that Piketty is a Marxist like most of his conservative columnist brethren. Liberal Fascism fell apart when he started trying to integrate Whole Foods, modern political squabbles and defend the War on Terror/Bush into it. (Also the fact that he read way too much Hitler, too little Mussolini pre-Rome and no Sorel at all that I remember.)

But it's coo, I don't expect everybody to read anything I post, let alone everything. Though it will be on the test during me and Angry Fork's purges.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2014, 11:50:17 PM

Thanks for the synopsis but I did read the first 2 parts of the article, actually. I really need to get an excise tax project done tonight so I had to stop there doe.

Needless to say I disagree with some of what I read (in terms of Marx). When I finish the whole thing, if it's sometime soon, I'll make a more substantial post about that.

And nice fast one at the end there buddy, Trots can't even plan something on Meetup, let alone a good old fashioned purge.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 12:02:01 AM

Most conservatives never read Marx outside of the Manifesto which is pretty useless. Goldberg's probably read Das Kapital though which puts him one up on most. They usually are arguing against Marxist-Leninism if anything.

Buckley's probably the last NRO writer to have read Bakunin.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2014, 12:02:21 AM

http://www.clarionledger.com/story/opinion/columnists/2014/06/25/coulter-growing-interest-soccer-sign-nations-moral-decay/11372137/

Thanks, Obama! :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 12:06:03 AM

I bet that Beltway Liberal Boehner is going to let Obama get away with this whole Soccer thing instead of setting up a House investigation.

Next thing you know, we'll be calling it football too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2014, 12:17:32 AM

Skimmed it.  "Synthesis" seems like a polite way to describe what seems to have none of Goldberg's thoughts and could have just as easily been a link roundup on a blog.  Not that I'm complaining; I'd much rather hear Martin Feldstein's objections than Goldberg's.

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Piketty is shockingly unconcerned with the fact (which he acknowledges) that one of the driving forces of U.S. income inequality is rising global equality.

Oh lordy.


edit: I mean, I understand why Piketty's book is an Avengers Assemble moment for the free market defense squad.  But if you're going to subject his claims to that level of scrutiny/skepticism, then you can't very well turn around and accept something like "third world accumulation of wealth is directly and causally linked to growing domestic inequality in developed countries" as an article of faith.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 12:22:56 AM

They tried to cover this up with the Mississippi election fraud but some aren't going to let the administration get away with it:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/27/sources-us-letting-benghazi-suspects-off-hook-recent-arrest-small-potatoes/ (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/27/sources-us-letting-benghazi-suspects-off-hook-recent-arrest-small-potatoes/)

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Despite President Obama's promise to stay focused on hunting down those responsible for the 2012 Benghazi attack -- and despite a recent arrest touted as a major takedown -- sources say little has been done to nab the other suspects.

According to multiple sources on the ground, including some with direct knowledge of the operations to identify and hunt the Benghazi suspects, intelligence that could have been acted upon at times has been ignored or put on hold. Further, they say, the recent capture of Ahmed Abu Khattala -- now on a ship bound for the U.S., expected to arrive this weekend -- was an easy one.

"He was low-hanging fruit," one source told Fox News. "We could have picked him up months and months ago and there was no change, or urgency to do this now."

...

The four groups on the "target list" include Ansar al-Sharia, with the top target being the "Emir of Ansar al Sharia," Abu Sufian Ibrahim Ahmed Hamuda bin Qumu. He was a prisoner at Guantánamo Bay for more than five years and at the time was classified by analysts at the prison as "a probable member of Al Qaeda." Despite this significant threat to American security and allies, bin Qumu was released as part of an amnesty for militants in 2008. Sources told Fox News that intelligence has shown his involvement in the attacks, and actionable intelligence has for some reason been ignored.

In this same group, but at the bottom of the list, is Khattala.

Multiple sources with direct knowledge of the Benghazi attack also question why more of the investigation hasn't been centered on the Libyan landlord of the American facilities in Benghazi, Mohammad al-Bishari. Some in the region that night insist that al-Bishari "knows a lot more than he is letting on" and "is a key connection to everyone else that night" -- and should be at the very least intensely questioned about what he may know about the attack. Al-Bishari is also said to have bought a new hotel in Benghazi.

When contacted by Fox News, al-Bishari asserted his innocence and said that the United States still owes him money for the damage done to both the consulate and the annex the night of the Benghazi attack.

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As Fox News previously reported last fall, American Special Forces on multiple occasions weren't allowed to go after harder and more important targets, even though they had multiple chances and opportunities to do so over the course of 16 months. The team, which was officially assigned around Tripoli to train Libyan Special Forces, was also tasked with finding the Libyan suspects responsible for the Benghazi attack. While a U.S. official told Fox News that the operators in question were not specifically tasked with finding the Libyan suspects responsible for the Benghazi attack, a source in the region countered the claims, saying "it's partly a cover."

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"Ansar al-Sharia is saturating the whole region of eastern Libya with money, training and personnel. They are now the biggest organization in town," one intelligence source said.   

"[Khattala] is the actionable guy and the target, but the [Al Qaeda] network is much larger. He is tied to terrorists throughout the region by our guys on the ground. Overall he is small potatoes to the larger Al Qaeda and terrorist network in the region," said another intelligence officer.

Another disastrous lack of leadership by the cut-and-run-in-chief.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2014, 12:31:34 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 12:22:56 AM

Another disastrous lack of leadership by the cut-and-run-in-chief.

Obama's war on small business owners knows no bounds.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 12:34:24 AM

Quote from: Esch on June 28, 2014, 12:23:33 AM

I actually started reading Bakunin. Wonder why he was in none of my previous curriculum.  I guess kapitalist educational institutions fear workers owning their labor (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Quote from: Goldberg

Why does Piketty reject the more romantic path of the classic Marxist? You know—“Let the ruling classes tremble at a Communistic revolution. The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win”—that kind of thing?

One answer to this question explains not only Piketty’s thinking but the response to his work as well: Piketty is a member of the ruling class. Piketty’s way puts Piketty and his friends in charge of everything. A one-time adviser to the Socialist politician Ségolène Royal, a star academic and a columnist for Libération, Piketty is a quintessential member of what the economist Joseph Schumpeter identified as the “new class.” Schumpeter’s prediction of capitalism’s demise hinged on his brilliant insight that capitalism breeds anti-capitalist intellectuals. Educators, bureaucrats, lawyers, technocrats, journalists, and artists, often the children of successful capitalists, always raised in the material affluence of capitalism, would organize to form a class whose collective interest lay in seizing economic decisions from the free market. As Deirdre McCloskey writes: “Schumpeter believed that capitalism was raising up its own grave diggers—not in the proletariat, as Marx had expected, but in the sons of daughters of the bourgeoisie itself. Lenin’s father, after all, was a high-ranking educational official, and Lenin himself a lawyer. It wasn’t the children of auto workers who pulled up the paving stones on the Left Bank in 1968.”

...

A full-throated endorsement of classic leftist radicalism would set a torch to Piketty’s own tower of privilege. The State, guided by experts, informed by data, must be empowered to decide how the Rawlsian difference principle is applied to society. Piketty’s assurance that inequality “inevitably” leads to violence amounts to an implied threat: “Let us distribute resources as we think best, or the masses will bring the fire next time.” Once again the vanguard of the proletariat takes the most surprising form: bureaucrats (the true “rentiers” of the 21st century!).

:teehee

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2014, 12:40:00 AM

I imagine low-income leftists would just get hit with that smarmy Jefferson "voting themselves money" quote.

Presumably there's some band of income in which it's acceptable to question The Market, though I'm not sure just how much we'd be talking about.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 12:49:50 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2014, 12:40:00 AM

Presumably there's some band of income in which it's acceptable to question The Market, though I'm not sure just how much we'd be talking about.

What a silly theory, it's never acceptable.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 28, 2014, 02:05:12 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 12:02:01 AM

Most conservatives never read Marx outside of the Manifesto which is pretty useless. Goldberg's probably read Das Kapital though which puts him one up on most. They usually are arguing against Marxist-Leninism if anything.

Well it was the only variant of Marxism that made them shake in fear longer than the duration of a popular uprising that was mercilessly crushed. (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Gonna try reading this article now since my Dota stack is MIA.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 28, 2014, 02:14:02 AM

Tangent: I raided the library of one of my parents recently and found a biography of Lenin published by Progress (one of the official English language publishing houses of the USSR). Shit's going to be a comedy goldmine, can't wait to read it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2014, 03:29:04 PM

It'd probably be cool to have different editions of the same book published over the years of the Soviet Union. There must be a collection like that somewhere. 1946 Edition of Stalin biography, basically Superman: Red Son. 1956 Edition, grows up kicking puppies and drowning kittens.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 28, 2014, 04:06:44 PM

Quote from: Karakand on June 28, 2014, 02:14:02 AM

Tangent: I raided the library of one of my parents recently and found a biography of Lenin published by Progress (one of the official English language publishing houses of the USSR). Shit's going to be a comedy goldmine, can't wait to read it.

It'd be great if it is filled with Dear Leader-esque facts like he shot a 40 under par or that he never had to shit

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2014, 01:05:10 AM

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/28/controversy-grows-over-prosecution-of-alleged-benghazi-attack-mastermind/ (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2014/06/28/controversy-grows-over-prosecution-of-alleged-benghazi-attack-mastermind/)

Quote

“I have serious concerns that conducting a rushed interrogation onboard a ship and then turning Abu Khatallah over to our civilian courts risks losing critical intelligence that could lead us to other terrorists or prevent future attacks,” Sen. Kelly Ayotte, R-New Hampshire, said in a statement Saturday. "I've asked the Defense and Justice Departments for an update on his status-including whether he has been told he has the right to remain silent."

Shortly after the White House announced Abu Khatallah’s capture on July 17, Republicans like Florida Sen. Marco Rubio began to criticize President Barack Obama’s administration because they believed the alleged terrorist should go through a military tribunal at Guantanamo Bay instead of being tried in a federal court.

“If they bring him to the United States, they're going to Mirandize this guy and it would be a mistake for the ages to read this guy his Miranda rights,” said South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham.

...

Earlier this month, Rep. Peter King of New York expressed other concerns to CNN’s Wolf Blitzer – chiefly, that U.S. authorities aren’t doing enough to maximize the amount of information they get from Abu Khatallah.

"Before he's turned over to civilian authorities, the FBI and all of our intelligence agencies, CIA and others, should interrogate him as long as they have to,” said King, a member of the Homeland Security Committee and Chairman of the Sub-Committee on Counterterrorism and Intelligence. “I'm not that concerned about a criminal conviction. We're going to get that ultimately. It's important we get as much intelligence out of him as possible. Both what happened, who planned it, how it happened."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2014, 01:31:02 AM

:goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2014, 02:47:48 AM

So I read that thing Benji posted by that writer who I guess has a rep but I ain't never heard of him about Piketty having a bad case of the Marxiness and I really don't want to look like a dweeb talking about it in too much detail but...

There's already a word for Marxiness (Marxian) and using the former is like some surreal attempt at reverse slur reclamation since I guess the author is some sort of conservative flunky given Mandark and Drinky's reaction to seeing him linked?

Also the author keeps ascribing diamat to Marx when it's a product of concurrent and later thinkers (in particular in the USSR), but as Benji said, conservatives like to wrestle with Marxism-Leninism instead of Marxism so we'll just chalk that flub up to that.

Referencing the title of a famous economics book with your own economics book hardly seems like grounds for being diagnosed with the Marxiness, too. I recently reread an old college textbook on the history of the modern Middle East and it was essentially Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism in terms of economic analysis (which I didn't notice when I first read it as a college student :ussrcry) and even I wouldn't diagnose its author with a bad case of the Marxiness because of that. Or even a minor one, for that matter.

Marx's original sin of capitalism isn't "infinite accumulation" (income inequality), it's surplus value, and Piketty isn't at all concerned with that original sin as best I can tell. You can argue that talking about income inequality is a manifestation of Marx's original sin in coded language, but keep in mind that the Marxist definition of socialism is "to each according to [their] [work]," which implies an inequality of outcome.

As for non (http://i.imgur.com/W2dBxps.png) things...

-Personal home sales are taxable capital gains, they just often come out to capital losses for tax purposes because homeowners get XBOX HUEG exemptions in the calculation of capital gain/loss on personal home sales (currently $ 250,000 per person, up to $ 500,000 for a married couple).

-The rise of pass-through entity income appearing on individual returns isn't distorting, it creates a more accurate picture of economic wealth. Private, closely held C corporations are legal fictions and treating them as distinct from their owners in discussions like this is the actual distortion. Piketty probably should have gone back and tried to approximate pass-through income from the days when pass-through entities weren't commonplace, but AFAIK he has no background in taxation and it might not have even occurred to him.

-America does not have "relatively few" households that go hungry "because capitalism has failed them." 14.5% are food insecure, and 5.7% experience very low food security. That 36% of households served by Feeding America had at least one working adult in them sure seems like a failure of capitalism to ensure people don't go hungry to me.

Anyways :snoop @ writing all that, look at what you made me do Benji.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 29, 2014, 07:39:37 AM

Jonah Goldberg wrote a book titled "Liberal Fascism" and was serious about it, which is really all you need to know.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2014, 02:58:01 PM

Quote

[Jonah] Goldberg writes that there was more to fascism than bigotry and genocide, and argues that those characteristics were not so much a feature of Italian fascism, but rather of German Nazism, which was allegedly forced upon the Italian fascists "after the Nazis had invaded northern Italy and created a puppet government in Salò."[3]

I know it has a different name in a different language, but spazio vitale is lebensraum.  :gurl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2014, 10:05:42 AM

Well, unions didn't get totally obliterated by this SCOTUS, so there's that.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 10:12:11 AM

Quote

“Did America owe something to the slaves whose labor had been stolen?” D'Souza writes in the book, according to Fund. The answer is yes, but “that debt ... is best discharged through memory, because the slaves are dead and their descendants are better off as a consequence of their ancestors being hauled from Africa to America.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dinesh-dsouza-african-americans
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

get your boy, Esch.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2014, 10:14:30 AM

I have some genuine hate for that mofo.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2014, 10:20:36 AM

Karakand, what do you find to be the average effective corporate tax rate in your experience?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 10:22:34 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 30, 2014, 10:20:36 AM

Karakand, what do you find to be the average effective corporate tax rate in your experience?

brb popping popcorn

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 10:45:59 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 10:12:11 AM

Quote

“Did America owe something to the slaves whose labor had been stolen?” D'Souza writes in the book, according to Fund. The answer is yes, but “that debt ... is best discharged through memory, because the slaves are dead and their descendants are better off as a consequence of their ancestors being hauled from Africa to America.”

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dinesh-dsouza-african-americans
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

get your boy, Esch.

Ain't he in jail, yet?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 10:57:09 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/ThisWeek/video/katrina-vanden-heuvel-bill-kristol-join-iraq-army-24355736

If you had a chance to punch Bill Kristol in the face, would you take it? y/n

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2014, 10:59:41 AM

Y

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on June 30, 2014, 11:44:25 AM

How about that Supreme Court.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2014, 12:01:04 PM

Quote from: halgorithmic on June 30, 2014, 11:44:25 AM

How about that Supreme Court.

Oliver Wendel Holmes is spinning in his grave.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 30, 2014, 12:24:13 PM

Hey, I'm just thrilled I will still have a store open that will sell giant wood letters and plastic flowers at an affordable price.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 30, 2014, 12:25:40 PM

Jeebus

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/30/us/before-shooting-in-iraq-warning-on-blackwater.html?_r=1

Just weeks before Blackwater guards fatally shot 17 civilians at Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007, the State Department began investigating the security contractor’s operations in Iraq. But the inquiry was abandoned after Blackwater’s top manager there issued a threat: “that he could kill” the government’s chief investigator and “no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” according to department reports.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 30, 2014, 12:27:31 PM

PLAN B IS LIKE AN ABORTION PILL


oh wait

no it isn't (http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/02/22/172595689/morning-after-pills-dont-cause-abortion-studies-say)

good job scotus

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 12:35:23 PM

Life begins whenever SCROTUS (in a 5-4 split) says it does.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 30, 2014, 12:41:55 PM

i can't wait for this to snowball. first this, then gay rights, then minority rights, all under the guise of religious freedom.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2014, 12:46:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 01:06:46 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2014, 12:46:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlPQkd_AA6c

and that was a conservative Iowan crowd :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brob on June 30, 2014, 01:18:20 PM

Gotta give props tho. Giving corporations personhood was a pretty clever long-con to get around the separation of church and state.

Also, daps for still covering vasectomies and viagra. No man left behind. :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on June 30, 2014, 01:34:15 PM

i'm so glad we've embraced the newest civil rights movement: fair and equal treatment of multinational corporations

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2014, 01:55:18 PM

...with religious liberties.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 02:03:20 PM

Instead of sentient robots/Skynet we get sentient corporations
:beli

fuck this gay present

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 03:31:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 02:03:20 PM

Instead of sentient robots/Skynet we get sentient corporations
:beli

fuck this gay present

I know, man. Of all the near-future, cyberpunk tropes to come true... Do we have cybernetic limbs, cybernetic brains, flying cars, sentient AIs, flying cars controlled by sentient AIs, are we jacked in a 3D virtual cybermatrix, doing sweet hacker shit? No, we just got megacorps and eroded civil liberties. Thanks, Obama!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2014, 04:05:47 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on June 30, 2014, 10:20:36 AM

Karakand, what do you find to be the average effective corporate tax rate in your experience?

I can't disclose a lot of specifics, I hope you understand.

What I can tell you is that closely held C corporations rarely pay corporate income tax beyond California's minimum (franchise) tax (which is $ 800.00) unless they are spectacularly successful (as in millions of dollars of profit) because the owner(s) pay themselves a huge bonus at the end of the year if there's any net taxable income or fund themselves lavish pension plans to avoid double taxation. There's also fucking bullshit like the 15 / 20 year (!!!) net-operating loss carryforward and accelerated depreciation.

DISC's are also en vogue in my experience, these are hilariously fake legal entities that allow corporations that export to extract income from the core C corporation and pay it as dividends to its shareholders and dividend income is taxed very generously at the individual level compared to wage income.

Pass-through entities pay no federal income tax, it's one of the reasons why they're extremely popular.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2014, 04:15:37 PM

Don't really have much to say about today's ruling other than we have a long way left to go and people should remember that when they drone on about their me too fucking bullshit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2014, 04:16:08 PM

Thank you.  :)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2014, 04:51:34 PM

If I have time later I'll go into some of the more absurd consequences of double taxation avoidance (e.g. businesses becoming very generous banks for their shareholders because they loan back their bonuses), but you're welcome.

I think your average American would be absolutely appalled at much of the corporate tax code if they knew anything about it beyond what the statutory tax rates are, but unfortunately the field is an opaque legal masquerade and that's hard to get excited about or express in the vernacular to people who have no accounting background.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 04:54:30 PM

Quote from: Karakand on June 30, 2014, 04:51:34 PM

If I have time later I'll go into some of the more absurd consequences of double taxation avoidance (e.g. businesses becoming very generous banks for their shareholders because they loan back their bonuses), but you're welcome.

I think your average American would be absolutely appalled at much of the corporate tax code if they knew anything about it beyond what the statutory tax rates are, but unfortunately the field is an opaque legal masquerade and that's hard to get excited about or express in the vernacular to people who have no accounting background.

but Karakand, we have the highest corporate tax rate in the developed world. It's time to get government out of the way so businesses can create jobs.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img43/939/trollxi.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2014, 05:02:19 PM

We should have an Accounting Bore sub thread or something. I will freely admit that tax law/accounting bores the shit out of me though, so I'll never go into it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 05:24:22 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 30, 2014, 05:02:19 PM

We should have an Accounting Bore sub thread or something. I will freely admit that tax law/accounting bores the shit out of me though, so I'll never go into it.

we should just buy the forum from Demi
 :whew

The Big Four (Beezy, Kara, me, Triumph)
:rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 05:32:42 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/barack-carter-article-1.1847138

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It’s now official: On foreign policy, Barack Obama is worse than Jimmy Carter.

For decades, Carter’s presidency was synonymous with weakness on the world stage. The late 1970’s was the era of double-digit inflation, a worldwide oil crisis, Iranian hostages and Soviet military advances from Latin America to Afghanistan. So pathetic was America’s predicament at the time that the late Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy mounted a primary challenge to Carter from the left.

Obama’s rise to power mirrored his Democratic predecessor’s in many ways. Both men came to office in the wake of widespread public disenchantment with the political establishment, and promoted themselves as outsiders and breaths of fresh air. Both men spoke of surmounting what they portrayed as Americans’ exaggerated anxieties about the dangers hyped by fear-mongering conservatives.

For Carter, in a 1977 commencement speech, it was “our inordinate fear of communism” that Americans needed to overcome. For Obama, in his 2009 Cairo address, it was the “fear” and “mistrust” that had grown between the West and Muslim world in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Both men came into office emphasizing the promotion of human rights as a crucial dimension of American foreign policy. And both men gave the impression that their good intentions would be enough to accomplish these Herculean tasks.

Unfortunately, as is often the case, the reality of the world came crashing down.

WEAK PATHETIC WEAK

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2014, 05:51:16 PM

I really don't know why I clicked on that article. :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2014, 06:02:28 PM

oh boy i hope a republican becomes president in 2016 so we can go back to wartime status 24/7 :goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 06:05:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2014, 06:02:28 PM

oh boy i hope a republican becomes president in 2016 so we can go back to wartime status 24/7 :goty

unpaid for

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 06:07:58 PM

The nice sleight of hand in Hobby Lobby is how the opinion is basically all "Congress, you made us do this, you tied our hands!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 06:24:23 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/06/best-lines-hobby-lobby-decision

http://thefederalist.com/2014/06/30/6-stupid-arguments-about-hobby-lobby-from-dumb-liberals/

Guess the dumb liberals win 8 to 6.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 30, 2014, 06:41:11 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/sqTPoVIl.jpg)

it begins.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 06:48:33 PM

How? Kennedy clearly is pro-life but he supports gay marriage so...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 30, 2014, 06:56:21 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 05:24:22 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 30, 2014, 05:02:19 PM

We should have an Accounting Bore sub thread or something. I will freely admit that tax law/accounting bores the shit out of me though, so I'll never go into it.

we should just buy the forum from Demi
 :whew

The Big Four (Beezy, Kara, me, Triumph)
:rejoice

Honorary Chairman Mandark, obviously

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 07:08:46 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 30, 2014, 06:56:21 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 05:24:22 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on June 30, 2014, 05:02:19 PM

We should have an Accounting Bore sub thread or something. I will freely admit that tax law/accounting bores the shit out of me though, so I'll never go into it.

we should just buy the forum from Demi
 :whew

The Big Four (Beezy, Kara, me, Triumph)
:rejoice

Honorary Chairman Mandark, obviously

I'm fine with this. Two international bankers is better than one.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 08:11:04 PM

http://joshblackman.com/blog/2014/06/30/people-who-think-scotusblog-is-scotus/
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scotusblog-twitter-trolls

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 08:50:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 06:48:33 PM

How? Kennedy clearly is pro-life but he supports gay marriage so...

It stops gays from using all the birth control. They'll have to raw dog it like Jesus intended.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 30, 2014, 08:52:12 PM

According to studies, most gays are doing that anyway so

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 09:01:13 PM

hence HIV/AIDs cases increasing
:hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 09:03:23 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on June 30, 2014, 08:52:12 PM

According to studies, most gays are doing that anyway so

Then truly the homofascists have been defeated. By the regular fascists.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2014, 09:12:55 PM

How fucking gross a person do you have to be to sincerely use the epithet homofascist.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 09:24:11 PM

Quote from: Karakand on June 30, 2014, 09:12:55 PM

How fucking gross a person do you have to be to sincerely use the epithet homofascist.

Learn some history buddy: http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-revolution-of-the-family-the-marxist-roots-of-homosexualism

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Others have pointed out the Marxist origins of the Sexual Revolution as a whole, and it is clear that the sudden explosion of homosexualism is merely the next logical step in a systematic programme. A close cousin to radical feminism and grandchild of Marxism, homosexualism was developed out of the politico-academic pseudo-field of “gender studies” and has, for 30 or 40 years, been pushed on a mostly unwilling public, through “anti-discrimination” and “equalities” legislation by a coalition of lobbyists, NGOs and politicians on the extreme left, and in increasingly powerful international circles.

Peter Tatchell is a prominent British homosexualist, which means he is a proponent of a specific political and social ideology that he wants to see adopted in British society and elsewhere. He is also a homosexual man, that is, he experiences sexual attraction for other men, a condition whose origin is still debated by doctors, psychiatrists and geneticists. The two things are not the same. This is a fact that tends to escape a lot of people who read and write about the Culture Wars, especially in its current manifestation that seems to have suddenly become all about homosexuality. Not all homosexuals are homosexualists, and not all homosexualists are homosexuals.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 30, 2014, 09:41:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 09:01:13 PM

hence HIV/AIDs cases increasing
:hitler

AIDS is not increasing, but HIV is. And wouldn't be if PrEP was made more easily available/advertised.

and, in reality, if you live in America HIV is really super manageable and you're more likely to die from cancer or a heart attack, or being struck by lightning, or being hit by a car

(but this is actually a really strong reason why condom use is decreasing in gays)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on June 30, 2014, 10:04:23 PM

:bow Britain :bow

"Scottish parliament votes to legalise gay marriage
Bill passed by 105 to 18 after several attempts to add extra protections for religious celebrants are voted down"

YES to rights, NO to religious mongs. Not even close. As a vote that is utter destruction. Plus rainbow on the day the vote was passed. :rock

Sometimes Britain gets things so so right - see also : Teaching creationism as science now banned in all UK Schools.

You see - even though we have a some right scheming folks in our politics, the top and bottom of it is they aren't going to doom generations of young folk.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2014, 10:08:21 PM

Well they are, just economically. :hitler

Quote from: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 09:24:11 PM

Learn some history buddy: http://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/the-revolution-of-the-family-the-marxist-roots-of-homosexualism

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Others have pointed out the Marxist origins of the Sexual Revolution as a whole, and it is clear that the sudden explosion of homosexualism is merely the next logical step in a systematic programme. A close cousin to radical feminism and grandchild of Marxism, homosexualism was developed out of the politico-academic pseudo-field of “gender studies” and has, for 30 or 40 years, been pushed on a mostly unwilling public, through “anti-discrimination” and “equalities” legislation by a coalition of lobbyists, NGOs and politicians on the extreme left, and in increasingly powerful international circles.

Peter Tatchell is a prominent British homosexualist, which means he is a proponent of a specific political and social ideology that he wants to see adopted in British society and elsewhere. He is also a homosexual man, that is, he experiences sexual attraction for other men, a condition whose origin is still debated by doctors, psychiatrists and geneticists. The two things are not the same. This is a fact that tends to escape a lot of people who read and write about the Culture Wars, especially in its current manifestation that seems to have suddenly become all about homosexuality. Not all homosexuals are homosexualists, and not all homosexualists are homosexuals.

I am definitely NOT clicking this link. :kobeyuck  :stahp

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 10:38:53 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on June 30, 2014, 10:04:23 PM

:bow Britain :bow

"Scottish parliament votes to legalise gay marriage
Bill passed by 105 to 18 after several attempts to add extra protections for religious celebrants are voted down"

YES to rights, NO to religious mongs. Not even close. As a vote that is utter destruction. Plus rainbow on the day the vote was passed. :rock

Sometimes Britain gets things so so right - see also : Teaching creationism as science now banned in all UK Schools.

You see - even though we have a some right scheming folks in our politics, the top and bottom of it is they aren't going to doom generations of young folk.

If Scottish independence passes, does that mean UK goes back to being crap?  :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2014, 10:47:59 PM

Quote from: Karakand on June 30, 2014, 05:51:16 PM

I really don't know why I clicked on that article. :snoop

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brawndolicious on June 30, 2014, 10:52:07 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2014, 03:31:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2014, 02:03:20 PM

Instead of sentient robots/Skynet we get sentient corporations
:beli

fuck this gay present

I know, man. Of all the near-future, cyberpunk tropes to come true... Do we have cybernetic limbs, cybernetic brains, flying cars, sentient AIs, flying cars controlled by sentient AIs, are we jacked in a 3D virtual cybermatrix, doing sweet hacker shit? No, we just got megacorps and eroded civil liberties. Thanks, Obama!

They have prosthetic penises for the wealthy and erectile dysfunctioned and chat bots for the lonely and afraid. We live in the world we created.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on June 30, 2014, 11:24:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 30, 2014, 05:32:42 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/barack-carter-article-1.1847138

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It’s now official: On foreign policy, Barack Obama is worse than Jimmy Carter.

For decades, Carter’s presidency was synonymous with weakness on the world stage. The late 1970’s was the era of double-digit inflation, a worldwide oil crisis, Iranian hostages and Soviet military advances from Latin America to Afghanistan. So pathetic was America’s predicament at the time that the late Massachusetts Sen. Ted Kennedy mounted a primary challenge to Carter from the left.

Obama’s rise to power mirrored his Democratic predecessor’s in many ways. Both men came to office in the wake of widespread public disenchantment with the political establishment, and promoted themselves as outsiders and breaths of fresh air. Both men spoke of surmounting what they portrayed as Americans’ exaggerated anxieties about the dangers hyped by fear-mongering conservatives.

For Carter, in a 1977 commencement speech, it was “our inordinate fear of communism” that Americans needed to overcome. For Obama, in his 2009 Cairo address, it was the “fear” and “mistrust” that had grown between the West and Muslim world in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Both men came into office emphasizing the promotion of human rights as a crucial dimension of American foreign policy. And both men gave the impression that their good intentions would be enough to accomplish these Herculean tasks.

Unfortunately, as is often the case, the reality of the world came crashing down.

WEAK PATHETIC WEAK

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I honestly don't understand how right-wingers love making Jimmy Carter a punchline, mostly due to the hostage crisis, when Saint Ronald of Reagan suffered his own hostage crisis.

Yeah, yeah. I know, I know, conservatives gonna conservative and all that, but still.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 01, 2014, 09:44:01 AM

If anyone asks for a raise where they work, are they a Marxist? I see Marxism thrown around all the time like a 4 letter word by people who work for other people. It seems to be wrongly touted that Marxism is the opposite of capitalism.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 01, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/the-supreme-courts-cold-indifference-to-americas-workers/373725/

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The majority opinion discussed the unionized workers as if they were lumps of clay. First, Alito wrote that SEIU “was designated” as the workers’ exclusive representative. (Remember, the workers voted for it.) Anyway, what bargaining could there be? The workers are paid at “the hourly rate set by law,” so the workers have nothing to say there. Finally, he cited a provision of federal law that denies union rights to “any individual employed ... in the domestic service of any family or person at his home.” 

To the majority, then, the home-care workers aren’t professionals at all. They are glorified maids. Case closed.

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So the best offer from the majority was, either let the government pay for whatever the families don’t want to, or offer the families an accommodation that they haven’t asked for, won’t commit to accepting, other religious groups have already declined, and the Court itself may not approve.
And here’s a second common feature of both of Monday’s opinion: both, in essence, beg the conservative advocacy groups to bring new challenges to public-employee unions and the contraceptive mandate. Harris does not overturn Abood, but the majority directs a torrent of abuse toward the case and suggests it’s only leaving it alone because it doesn’t have to do otherwise to decide this particular case. The Court hinted that challenges to the “mandate” would be limited to “closely held” corporations, but it explicitly refused to rule out challenges by corporate giants like Exxon.

Bring us a case and we will wipe out the “agency fee” altogether, their opinion hints. And bring us Obamacare cases, lots of Obamacare cases.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2014, 10:58:44 AM

:drudge Boring tax post. :drudge

Most of the businesses I work with don't operate on a cash basis (recording transactions when cash actually changes hands), they recognize income and expenses as they're incurred (the accrual method). So, when earlier I talked about C corporations that are closely held avoiding corporate income tax by paying bonuses to their owner(s), they can be in situations where they don't actually have enough cash on hand to pay the bonus. (To avoid paying a few thousand dollars in corporate income tax, you end up paying much more than that in a bonus given the fact that the statutory corporate tax rate isn't 100% of taxable net income. :ussrcry)

Quite an awkward situation, to be a deadbeat like that. So how do you handle it? Why your owner(s) loan the bonus(es) back to the company without ever taking the cash personally, of course! "Well what do they get out of that?" you might ask. (After all, the wage income is still taxable to the owner(s) in the current year even if they haven't actually received the cash.) Why they get interest on their loan, and they now have a conduit to more easily extract taxable income from the C corporation. (You don't pay payroll taxes on interest income like you do on wage income, and interest expenses are deductible for corporate tax purposes, even nonsensical interest expenses like these.) And while the owner(s) have now essentially turned their business into a bank, they aren't paying themselves interest that they might expect to get at a bank on their completely unnecessary loan, in my experience they pay themselves between 5 and 8 percent interest. At this point I'd just like to give you a friendly reminder that legally speaking, this C corporation is treated as a distinct legal person from its owner(s) even though it's clearly their plaything. Well unless it means the C corporation has to pay for birth control, then suddenly it's an extension of the religious beliefs of its owner(s).

This is one front in the silly game of tax accounting wherein you don't really spend your time accurately reporting to bring companies into compliance, you spend your time setting up, tracking, and recording the various methods in which owner(s) extract money out of their C corporation to avoid paying corporate income tax.

Let's talk rent. A business has to be somewhere, right? For a larger business, rent can be quite an expensive fixed cost given that commercial real estate isn't necessarily in sync with residential real estate. So, you'd think that if the opportunity to buy its location ever presented itself, a business would jump at the chance to do so as to relieve themselves of this fixed cost. (Despite what a marginal utility adherent will tell you, reducing costs is also a way to create profit... not to infuse this post with a bad case of the Marxiness.) Well my friend, you'd be wrong. The owner(s) still buy the property mind you, but they buy it through another legal entity that they just happen to own (usually a pass-through entity) and the core C corporation still pays rent. Now the owner(s) have yet another conduit to extract taxable income from the core C corporation (like the nonsensical interest above, this rent expense is also treated as being completely legitimate for tax purposes), and it just so happens to be one that also isn't subject to the same payroll taxes as wage income. My what a coincidence of events!

The 3.8% Medicare tax on individual net investment income that was included in the Affordable Care Act made the sort of people who engage in these activities detailed above quite angry, you can imagine. Almost as much as poor people being able to see a doctor without facing financial ruin. Almost.

Be sure to join us next time wherein I show you just how absurd a large corporation can become when it tries to extract as much taxable income from itself as possible. :tophat

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2014, 01:26:36 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 01, 2014, 10:30:41 AM

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/06/the-supreme-courts-cold-indifference-to-americas-workers/373725/

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The majority opinion discussed the unionized workers as if they were lumps of clay. First, Alito wrote that SEIU “was designated” as the workers’ exclusive representative. (Remember, the workers voted for it.) Anyway, what bargaining could there be? The workers are paid at “the hourly rate set by law,” so the workers have nothing to say there. Finally, he cited a provision of federal law that denies union rights to “any individual employed ... in the domestic service of any family or person at his home.” 

To the majority, then, the home-care workers aren’t professionals at all. They are glorified maids. Case closed.

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So the best offer from the majority was, either let the government pay for whatever the families don’t want to, or offer the families an accommodation that they haven’t asked for, won’t commit to accepting, other religious groups have already declined, and the Court itself may not approve.
And here’s a second common feature of both of Monday’s opinion: both, in essence, beg the conservative advocacy groups to bring new challenges to public-employee unions and the contraceptive mandate. Harris does not overturn Abood, but the majority directs a torrent of abuse toward the case and suggests it’s only leaving it alone because it doesn’t have to do otherwise to decide this particular case. The Court hinted that challenges to the “mandate” would be limited to “closely held” corporations, but it explicitly refused to rule out challenges by corporate giants like Exxon.

Bring us a case and we will wipe out the “agency fee” altogether, their opinion hints. And bring us Obamacare cases, lots of Obamacare cases.

Scalia, Kennedy, and Thomas really need to go somewhere very far away and not ever come back.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2014, 01:31:09 PM

Can we behead 2000 Nader voters alongside Wall Street execs?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 01, 2014, 03:33:29 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-santorum-hobby-lobby-film-trailer

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 01, 2014, 10:16:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2014, 01:31:09 PM

Can we behead 2000 Nader voters alongside Wall Street execs?

I don't think my vote in Georgia was the margin of victory :wag

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As I've said before, I voted for Gore in 2000 and Nader in 2004 though. I almost wrote in Alfred E. Neuman both times though, as I really liked his "What, Me Worry?" campaign slogan.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on July 01, 2014, 11:23:16 PM

I wrote in Howard Stern for some local thing one time cause the only person actually running was Republican. :teehee

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 02, 2014, 12:06:33 AM

http://www.advocate.com/politics/2014/06/30/why-lgbt-americans-are-leery-supreme-courts-hobby-lobby-ruling

:lupe

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2014, 12:17:09 AM

I routinely vote for Eugene Debs as a write in. 

I know of no law that says a dead person can't win an election. :yeshrug

http://www.marxists.org/archive/debs/works/1918/court.htm

 :tocry :lawd :tocry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2014, 01:01:54 AM

Quote from: Karakand on July 02, 2014, 12:17:09 AM

I know of no law that says a dead person can't win an election. :yeshrug

The only law is that the loser becomes Attorney General.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2014, 01:58:37 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/

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This week, in the Hobby Lobby case, the Supreme Court ruled that a religious employer could not be required to provide employees with certain types of contraception. That decision is beginning to reverberate: A group of faith leaders is urging the Obama administration to include a religious exemption in a forthcoming LGBT anti-discrimination action.

Their call, in a letter sent to the White House Tuesday, attempts to capitalize on the Supreme Court case by arguing that it shows the administration must show more deference to the prerogatives of religion.

"We are asking that an extension of protection for one group not come at the expense of faith communities whose religious identity and beliefs motivate them to serve those in need," the letter states.

Give an inch and they'll take a mile. Thanks scotus.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2014, 02:09:49 PM

Sorry, Obummer, my religion says I shouldn't have to hire blah people or gays. :smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2014, 04:18:46 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 02, 2014, 01:58:37 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/

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This week, in the Hobby Lobby case, the Supreme Court ruled that a religious employer could not be required to provide employees with certain types of contraception. That decision is beginning to reverberate: A group of faith leaders is urging the Obama administration to include a religious exemption in a forthcoming LGBT anti-discrimination action.

Their call, in a letter sent to the White House Tuesday, attempts to capitalize on the Supreme Court case by arguing that it shows the administration must show more deference to the prerogatives of religion.

"We are asking that an extension of protection for one group not come at the expense of faith communities whose religious identity and beliefs motivate them to serve those in need," the letter states.

Give an inch and they'll take a mile. Thanks scotus.

Not worried about that given Kennedy's pro-gay marriage views.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2014, 04:30:36 PM

(http://images.politico.com/global/2014/07/02/presidentsbestandworst.jpg)
 :comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2014, 04:39:13 PM

Dat Reagan mythos. Truly the greatest actor of all-time, playing his most convincing role.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 02, 2014, 04:44:37 PM

worse then W?

really?  C'mon, really?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2014, 04:50:03 PM

Telephone interview.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2014, 05:24:53 PM

The 33% that think Obama is the worst and the 35% that think Reagan is the best are almost entirely the same group.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on July 02, 2014, 05:46:46 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 02, 2014, 04:44:37 PM

worse then W?

really?  C'mon, really?

9/11 and New Orleans have got nothing on Obamacare and Benghazi!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2014, 06:35:05 PM

Dat Kennedy myth. Fucker made some really dumb decisions. (and a few good ones, but still gets way more credit that he deserves)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2014, 07:45:42 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 30, 2014, 12:24:13 PM

Hey, I'm just thrilled I will still have a store open that will sell giant wood letters and plastic flowers at an affordable price.

Not for long! http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/01/george-takei-hobby-lobby_n_5548303.html

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George Takei Blasts High Court's Birth Control Ruling, Calls For Hobby Lobby Boycott

Oh, and did anyone else see this hot garbage: https://twitter.com/SandraFluke/status/484006521131393024/photo/1
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 :dead :gurl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2014, 08:07:50 PM

 :lol

I remember reading some older feminists were butthurt over Sandra becoming more popular than those who put more work into the movement, so to speak. What better way to rustle their jimmies than a #StandWithSandra hashtag.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2014, 08:58:24 PM

Couldn't they have done #NoBusinessOfMyBoss?

#NotMyBossBusiness is the obvious result of trying to hashtag something with a punctuation mark.

e: I'm practically a SEO with this genius branding.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 02, 2014, 10:16:43 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 02, 2014, 06:35:05 PM

Dat Kennedy myth. Fucker made some really dumb decisions. (and a few good ones, but still gets way more credit that he deserves)

But he made us feel soooo good about ourselves.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2014, 10:52:28 PM

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2014, 11:30:34 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 03, 2014, 01:54:53 AM

Wow. Realsatire.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 03, 2014, 02:59:08 AM

http://foxnewsinsider.com/2014/07/02/bill-ayers-dinesh-d%E2%80%99souza-debate-american-exceptionalism

I'm gonna go find a volcano to jump in to

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 03, 2014, 03:53:36 AM

Bourbon
Everclear
New Castle
Gin
Hennessy
Absinthe
Zima
Isake

and the real state of American politics:

(http://i.imgur.com/Su5KnqU.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2014, 08:40:51 AM

288k new jobs in June, unemployment down to 6.1%.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 09:42:37 AM

Participation rate is still bad, but then again the retirement boom continues to be a dominant reason. Still, the rate amongst young people and graduates is ugly.

Spend thousands of dollars on a liberal arts degree brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2014, 10:27:59 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 09:42:37 AM

Spend thousands of dollars on a liberal arts degree from a for-profit university brehs.

.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 03, 2014, 03:06:28 PM

http://daserste.ndr.de/panorama/aktuell/nsa230_page-1.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 03, 2014, 03:31:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 09:42:37 AM

Participation rate is still bad, but then again the retirement boom continues to be a dominant reason. Still, the rate amongst young people and graduates is ugly.

Spend thousands of dollars on a liberal arts degree brehs.

at this rate, spend thousands of dollars on any degree and find yourself out of work

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 03:39:07 PM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/the-case-for-mitt-romney-in-2016-108532_full.html

That Mitt documentary sure did a number on "politically aware" people.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2014, 03:45:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 03:39:07 PM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2014/07/the-case-for-mitt-romney-in-2016-108532_full.html

That Mitt documentary sure did a number on "politically aware" people.

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Mitt is, at his core, a chief executive. No doubt Mitt is more comfortable tackling complex problems and analyzing data than kissing babies or yucking it up on a rope line. But maybe that’s what America needs in 2016, and given the multitude of today’s challenges, maybe the Quinnnipiac poll reflects the growing view that it’s what we needed all along.

 :comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 04:04:41 PM

My least bad would be from among Clinton, Carter and Eisenhower I'd think. Worst is probably a fight to the death between LBJ and Nixon.

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2014, 03:45:53 PM

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Mitt is, at his core, a chief executive. No doubt Mitt is more comfortable tackling complex problems and analyzing data than kissing babies or yucking it up on a rope line. But maybe that’s what America needs in 2016, and given the multitude of today’s challenges, maybe the Quinnnipiac poll reflects the growing view that it’s what we needed all along.

 :comeon

Nothing says analyzing data instead of yucking it up like Ronald Reagan!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 04:07:51 PM

The Bay of Pigs can't really be laid solely at Kennedy's feet considering the CIA kept him in the dark until the last minute.

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And then killed him for it.
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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 04:25:12 PM

Edited my post, I meant the Bay of Pigs. My bad brehs, long day.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2014, 05:41:00 PM

No way is the TP going to double-dip on an establishment Republican this time around.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2014, 05:56:37 PM

Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/07/hobby-lobbys-other-problem

Allowing a corporation, through either shareholder vote or board resolution, to take on and assert the religious beliefs of its shareholders in order to avoid having to comply with a generally-applicable law with a secular purpose is fundamentally at odds with the entire concept of incorporation. Creating such an unprecedented and idiosyncratic tear in the corporate veil would also carry with it unintended consequences, many of which are not easily foreseen.

lmao good jon scotus :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2014, 08:39:28 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charles-johnson-brad-dayspring-feud

 :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 08:51:39 PM

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@ChuckCJohnson

FBI agent on phone just asked me what I want 4 evidence I have presented. I said justice. He said 1st time journalist said that 2him.

:dead

He's living in a Jonathan Nolan script.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/07/02/mississippi_senate_battle_descends_into_madness.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2014, 09:21:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2014, 08:51:39 PM

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@ChuckCJohnson

FBI agent on phone just asked me what I want 4 evidence I have presented. I said justice. He said 1st time journalist said that 2him.

:dead

He's living in a Jonathan Nolan script.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/07/02/mississippi_senate_battle_descends_into_madness.html

(http://i.imgur.com/0HsC3gl.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2014, 01:01:59 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2014, 05:56:37 PM

Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/07/hobby-lobbys-other-problem

Allowing a corporation, through either shareholder vote or board resolution, to take on and assert the religious beliefs of its shareholders in order to avoid having to comply with a generally-applicable law with a secular purpose is fundamentally at odds with the entire concept of incorporation. Creating such an unprecedented and idiosyncratic tear in the corporate veil would also carry with it unintended consequences, many of which are not easily foreseen.

lmao good jon scotus :heh

The sanctity of the corporate veil as a vehicle for protecting certain demographics from pretty much anything ever being under threat. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2014, 06:39:59 PM

On America's birthday, no less.  :usacry

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/richard-mellon-scaife-dies-at-82

*looks at Koch brothers, taps foot impatiently*

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2014, 07:02:24 PM

Thomas Jefferson died on July 4th too.  :american

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And John Adams on the same July 4th, but fuck John Adams amirite.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 05, 2014, 01:58:14 AM

weirded out by George Takei supporting that new SuperPAC. I think he was bought off to support it, because the last thing we need is MORE obvious money-politics happening.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2014, 02:10:25 AM

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Our plan for reform has four stages:

• In 2014, we will pilot the idea of a superPAC intervening in elections to support candidates who favor reform. The objective of this pilot intervention will be to both (a) convince Congress of the salience of this issue to voters, and (b) determine how best to intervene to move voters on the basis of this issue.
• Based on what we learn in 2014, in 2016 we will engage in as many races we need to win a majority in Congress who have either cosponsored or committed to cosponsor fundamental reform legislation.
• In 2017, we will then press to get Congress to pass, and the President to sign, legislation that fundamentally reforms of the way elections are funded.
• After a Congress has been elected under this new system, we will push for whatever constitutional reform is necessary to secure the gains from this reform.

“Fundamental reform in the way elections are funded”
Throughout this plan, we refer to the need for “fundamental reform in the way elections are funded.” By this, we mean legislation that would achieve some version of publicly funded elections. While the MaydayPAC is agnostic about the specific legislation, we favor systems of “small dollar public funding” of elections. Such legislation can be perfectly constitutional, under the current Court’s reading of the First Amendment. And if enacted, it would radically change the economy of influence within Washington, DC.

There are two prominent types of “small dollar public funding”: matching system, and vouchers.

Under a matching system, such as John Sarbanes’ (D-MD) Government By The People Act, small dollar contributions are matched by the government, at the extreme with a 9 to 1 match. Thus, a $100 contribution is worth $1,000 to a candidate who funds her campaign with small contributions only.

A voucher system gives small dollar vouchers to all registered voters. Voters can use those vouchers to contribute to candidates for Congress who restrict their funding to vouchers only, as well as small contributions beyond vouchers.

...

These changes alone would not address the ability of either wealthy individuals or legal entities (such as corporations or unions) to spend unlimited amounts in political elections (a freedom secured by Buckley v. Valeo and Citizens United v. F.E.C.). Nor would they address directly the capacity of individuals or legal entities to contribute unlimited amounts to independent political action committees (“superPACs”) (a freedom secured by SpeechNow v. F.E.C.). Both of these freedoms were articulated judicially, as interpretations of the First Amendment. To change them would require either an amendment to the Constitution, or a change in the judicial interpretation of the First Amendment.

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Stage 2: A campaign to win a reform Congress in 2016
Based on the results in 2014, we will determine whether a campaign to win a Congress committed to fundamental reform in 2016 is feasible. If it is, then early in 2015, we will (1) initiate a strategy to minimize the number of seats that we must win, and (2) begin planning a campaign that could, in fact, win.

We will minimize the number of seats that we must win by building a strong grassroots movement to persuade incumbents to cosponsor fundamental reform. If we are successful in 2014, we can channel the energy from that victory into efforts to convince incumbents to commit to reform. Key among the strategies that we will deploy are campaigns to recruit “the funders” to refuse to contribute to candidates who have not committed to fundamental reform. We expect that over 2015, we can recruit a significant portion of the majority we will need in 2017. No doubt, we will still need to defeat a large number of incumbents in the 2016 election. But that number can be reduced significantly.

The remaining gap will determine the size of the 2016 campaign. At the high end, we estimate that number will be between 10-15 races in the Senate, and 50-65 races in the House. A campaign that large will require a proportionally larger amount of money - which we will fund through a mix of crowdfunded small contributions, and larger matching contributions.

Stage 3: Enacting Reform
Once we have elected a Congress committed to reform, we will organize a 100 day campaign in the beginning of 2017 to get that reform passed. Obviously, the feasibility of moving legislation through Congress will depend upon the new President, and the control of Congress. But we believe that if we have achieved victory in stage 2, there will be enormous pressure on Congress to legislate quickly.

The MaydayPAC will leverage the momentum from 2016 to build a campaign to pass reform legislation.

Stage 4: Securing Reform through a Constitutional Amendment
A key element to the legislation that we see enacted will be a provision that tests the constitutional status of the superPAC. As described above, the Supreme Court has not yet addressed whether the First Amendment gives individuals or legal entities the right to contribute unlimited amounts to independent political action committees. We believe that question should be pressed on the Court, and envision the legislation providing fast track review.

While the process of that review continues, the MaydayPAC will work with existing organizations to leverage its victory to support whatever revision of the constitution is necessary to secure that reform. At a minimum, if the Court upholds the superPAC, that reform must secure the legislative power to assure broad and meaningful participation by Americans in the funding of elections. Changes beyond these will depend upon the nature of the Court, and the results of the first “clean election” for Congress in 2018. The MaydayPAC would make any necessary constitutional reform an issue in 2018, and pursue that reform however it makes most sense — whether through Congress, or a proposing convention, as described in Article V of the Constitution.

I must really be missing something here...

There's Nigerians behind this isn't there?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2014, 02:21:15 AM

I nominate myself for the job superPAC idea piloting.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2014, 03:02:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4z2_uDJc0

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 05, 2014, 03:07:44 AM

 :stahp That video.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2014, 03:08:21 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 05, 2014, 03:02:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xx4z2_uDJc0

leftists tend not tolerate dissent!  60 million murders only in russia! 

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 05, 2014, 03:11:49 AM

Then you just bring up the tobacco industry's body count. :hitler

If you're gonna get tarred and feathered along with us, liberals, you gotta start taking some pages from our playbook. I swear some of them don't involve extolling the virtues of the one true science (Marxism-Leninism).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2014, 03:15:41 AM

Steve Scully is amazing, I don't think these would ever be half as good without him just sitting there unresponsive.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 05, 2014, 03:05:36 PM

Teen arrested on jihad accusations as she boards plane

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/03/colorado-teen-jihad-arrest/12153137/

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• Federal officials met with or spoke to Conley eight times after that initial interview, asking her whether she really intended to harm Americans and suggesting she ought to consider aiding a non-profit such as the Red Crescent, which is the equivalent of the Red Cross.

Be white brehs. :gaben

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 03:05:29 AM

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2014/07/109076.php

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The population of Mogadishu is moving to Minneapolis, through the miracle of chain immigration. I don’t know whether there is any limiting principle to this or whether all of Mogadishu will one day reside along the Mississippi, but in any event, the Somali influx is already impacting Minnesota politics.

Despite being “natural conservatives”–imagine what they must think of abortion and gay marriage!–the Somalis have so far been reliable Democratic voters. This has created one of this year’s most interesting local races, in which Phyllis Kahn, a left-wing Democrat who has represented her district in the Minnesota House of Representatives for 42 (!) years, is being challenged in a primary by one Mohamud Noor. Kahn has long enjoyed the perks of a Democratic insider, including the privilege of owning a $1 house on prime Minneapolis real estate. But so far, all of that seems to avail her little as she fights for her political life against Mr. Noor.

The race first came to widespread attention when a fight broke out between Kahn and Noor supporters at a precinct caucus. Next, in a historic first, a Democrat finally stumbled across voter fraud in Minnesota:

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The Hennepin County attorney’s office is investigating whether a private mailbox center in Minneapolis’ Cedar-Riverside neighborhood has been improperly used as an address for more than 140 voters.

State records show that 419 Cedar Avenue S. has been used by some of the voters as far back as 2008. [Ed.: In other words, since Al Franken's 2008 campaign.]

No one lives at the address, which is a Somali-dominated commercial building housing several small businesses and a popular mail center.

The investigation reignites a long-running debate about voter fraud in Minnesota and is the latest flash point in the highly competitive race between Capitol stalwart Rep. Phyllis Kahn and Mohamud Noor, who would become the first Somali-American elected to the Legislature if elected. Kahn was denied the DFL endorsement in April due in part to Noor’s ability to turn out Somali supporters. An August primary will decide the fate of the race.

The Kahn campaign alleges that usage of the fake address has been orchestrated by the Noor campaign:

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“The Kahn campaign has reason to believe that the Noor campaign has been behind the registrations of new voters at this address,” Rice writes in an email sent to Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman and Minnesota Secretary of State Mark Ritchie, among others. “Further, we have reason to believe that many more, perhaps hundreds of people have been using 419 Cedar Avenue South as an address to register and vote in the Primary election on August 12, 2014 in the race between Kahn and Noor.

Kahn’s lawyer has filed a second complaint, too: Phyllis Kahn alleges election judge called her “old Jewish lady,” opponent “Muslim brother”:

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One alleges that a Minneapolis elections judge named Fadmo called Kahn “an old Jewish Lady” while interpreting the primary ballot for a Somali man who was recently at City Hall to cast his absentee ballot. On the other hand, Fadmo characterized Noor as “our Muslim brother,” the complaint says.

Steve Sailor asks a reasonable question:

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If the Somali voter passed the citizenship test, why isn’t he literate in English? Why does he need fellow Somali Fadmo to tell him which squiggle on the ballot represents “our Muslim brother” and which squiggle “an old Jewish lady?”

Such “irregularities” have been going on for a while, but they are only now coming to light and being reported in the local press. Why? Because a Democrat’s ox is being gored, and the Democrat in question has her lawyers on the case. In the meantime, we can all enjoy the spectacle as the Democratic Party’s internal contradictions try to resolve themselves.

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George O'Har ·  Top Commenter · B C College
Slip-up here. You said 'chain immigration.' The correct term is 'family unification.' I suspect you are a bigot who hates children and families (sarc).

Jack Schiraldi ·  Top Commenter · Tempe, Arizona
Thanks George it makes us old veterans feel so warm when we can so easily identify the rats and traitors that will be rounded up when the Tribunals are finally seated in Gitmo. Our oath did not require an act of suicide. Your time is fleeting and we will have our revenge. We never forgot the 60's and have never forgiven Jane Fonda and the rest of your pinko allies.

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Jack Schiraldi ·  Top Commenter · Tempe, Arizona
This is not funny. These are the crimes of the left. Just look at Mississippi. The black population and the left are going regret there racist segregation. When we the people finally rise after enduring the anti-American cancer of the left, we will find comfort and joy in the prosecutions of these vermin and rid ourselves, once and for all, of the 60's betrayals and there poisonous scent where ever it is present.

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Steve Baker ·  Top Commenter · Hibbing, Minnesota
Back in the late 1960's-early 1979's, Charles Manson, crazy as he was (is), foretold of a looming Race War in the US. His prediction was premature, and he may have picked the wrong combatants?

:holeup

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2014, 03:24:24 AM

I think you're legit shook about that Gitmo Tribunal coming for you and your pinko allies and your racist segregation.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 03:31:03 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2014, 03:24:24 AM

I think you're legit shook about that Gitmo Tribunal coming for you and your pinko allies and your racist segregation.

They said they were going to the Twin Cities! Is that useful for you?!?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2014, 04:44:36 AM

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Despite being “natural conservatives”–imagine what they must think of abortion and gay marriage!–the Somalis have so far been reliable Democratic voters.

Yes, I'm sure conservative American paranoia about big government goes over very well with people who lived in a low-level of anarchy for 20 years. :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 05:19:24 AM

Actually, they all moved here to get away from the new government and join the Tea Party but then were disappointed that they were statists too.

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MINNEAPOLIS - Minnesota's Somali population is still the largest in the United States, according to new census data released early Thursday that raised the number of people of Somali ancestry in the state to more than 32,000.

Wow, they could almost fill one side of Vikings Stadium!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2014, 09:18:24 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 05:19:24 AM

the number of people of Somali ancestry in the state to more than 32,000.

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2014, 11:06:09 AM

But do they have scabies?!?!?!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2014, 02:05:26 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/06/opinion/boehner-obama-lawsuit/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Boner's Op-Ed, making his case for why he's having to sue the president.

TL;DR = Obama did some stuff we didn't like, and didn't do other things wanted him to. But I'm not going to say what those things are.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2014, 02:17:28 PM

obama did some things and we want to impeach him but that backfired last time so we'll do something different this time instead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2014, 03:56:04 PM

Honestly this seems more like Boehner providing his caucus with a shiny object to play with instead of what they really want: impeachment. The lawsuit isn't mean to do much of anything, it'll be thrown out of court, etc...but what it does do is allow tea party congressman to go home to their districts and brag about voting to sue the president while arguing it's the "first step" towards impeachment.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2014, 04:09:56 PM

Obama should settle out of court.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2014, 04:17:15 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2014, 04:09:56 PM

Obama should settle out of court.

Without admitting any wrongdoing.

Good enough for corporations, good enough for the president--that's my position.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 06:01:28 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2014, 04:09:56 PM

Obama should settle out of court.

ONE. MILLION. DOLLARS.

NOT A PENNY LESS.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 10:09:14 PM

OBAMA THE TYRANT SENDING FEDERAL TROOPS TO STOP AMERICANS FROM PROTECTING AMERICA FROM INVASION (http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Texas/2014/07/06/SOURCE-FEDS-To-Bring-in-Riot-Squad-Against-Illegal-Immigration-Protesters):

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HOUSTON, Texas--As illegal immigrants continue to spill across the U.S.-Mexico border, federal authorities are attempting to relocate the migrants from South Texas to housing facilities in states across the nation. One such facility is located in Murrieta, California, where a large group of protesters recently blocked a bus full of migrants from arriving. The protesters remain there, adamant that illegal immigrants don't get dumped in their town. But soon the concerned citizens may be forced to step down--Breitbart Texas has learned that federal agents plan to arrive in Murrieta on Monday with riot gear to ensure that another busload makes it to the housing facility.

Jeremy Oliver, a resident of Temecula, California--a town that neighbors Murrieta--told Breitbart Texas that local police officers warned the protesters that "it's going to get ugly."

Oliver said, "The feds are pissed that they haven't been able to use this facility. Officers out there warned people that federal agents will be in Murrieta on Monday--they are going to get the next bus through no matter what. Riot gear and shields will be used to push the crowd back."

John Henry, a Murrieta resident since 1991, was told the same thing by local officers.

"We're being told that federal Marshals or ICE will be here in the next few days and that they are bringing riot gear," Henry said. "They're apparently going to be blocking off the street with concrete blockades so that no vehicles can get through. The River County Sheriff's Department showed up last night and brought a huge watch tower that shoots up into the air 35 feet."

...

On June 4th Breitbart Texas' Managing Director Brandon Darby broke the news that U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) would be relocating illegal immigrants from Texas to California. Within moments of that story being published, the official Twitter account of the San Diego CBP tweeted at Darby, insisting the report was “erroneous” and asking for it to be removed from the internet.

Days later the San Diego CBP deleted the tweet from their official account. Subsequent reports, outlining plans to fly immigrants to Southern California, proved CBP had indeed planned the relocation all along.

It is unclear how the border crisis will be handled moving forward, especially given that many U.S. citizens oppose the migrants being shipped by the hundreds to their communities.

:usacry

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2014, 10:25:01 PM

Who the heck thought housing them in the 909 was a good idea? The only place worse I can think of is the 949 in terms of white rage.

e: Apparently Murrieta is the 951 now, goes to show how much I care about the boonies. *smug coastal elite*

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2014, 10:30:43 PM

Live in abject fear of poor Mexicans, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 10:34:05 PM

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Jeffrey C. Miller • 10 hours ago
Bring it on! Another civilian militia showdown is in order.
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WhatTha  Jeffrey C. Miller • 10 hours ago
We're ready!
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camp50  WhatTha • 8 hours ago
It is time for state law enforcement personnel to start arresting these federal agents.
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redbird  camp50 • 8 hours ago
Same with local LEO's. They need to be telling Feds to re-route their illegals South, all the way back to the southern border.
Mayors, City Council, etc. need to be at the front lines with their constituents making sure No illegals are dumped in their town.
Take your illegal Aliens back where they came from.
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Factory_Hag  redbird • 7 hours ago
Would love to see some elected officials standing with the people. It would really help, even if it only keeps the Federales from getting too rough.
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koolaid  Factory_Hag • 7 hours ago
If you are anywhere near Murrieta CA get your b u tt down there and support these protesters. Numbers matter, it's time to take a stand right NOW
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rainesson  koolaid • 7 hours ago
Go if you can, go as if your life depended on it.

If the Brownshirt Feds from DC can crush resistance in Murrieta, then they'll be free to do it anywhere they please. Every border town from Galveston to San Diego will be under the DC Jackboot. And the Welcome Mat out for anyone from the Narco-Corruptocracy that runs from Mexico to Panama.

Even if you're 150 miles away, ride, walk, run or crawl; stand up for the law. The future of the country hangs in the balance.
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OBAMUNISM  rainesson • 6 hours ago
This situation consisted of economic and biological warfare by Barack Hussein Obama on the American people. Now he has escalated it to actual warfare. Obama's legacy to the U.S.A.: "If you like your Infectious Tuberculosis, you can keep your Infectious Tuberculosis."...and..."If you don't like your Infectious Tuberculosis, I have stockpiled millions of rounds of hollow points, one has your name on it." I will not be surprised when Obama sends surviving family members a bill for the bullet used to kill their loved one. Fricking Banana Republic Dictator.
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Abigail Park  rainesson • 3 hours ago
I'm in La Jolla and going to check it out!

The is unacceptable. Obama basically tells these poor fools that they will be given the world if they sneak into our country. After all, he won't deport or arrest them. And then big Sheila Jackson Lee shows up at the border with goddamn lollipops.

What has our country come to? Enforce our laws and this won't be an issue.

Why are we obligated to house these ILLEGAL people? They already get FREE healthcare at hospitals. What’s next - giving them free food, voting rights, and a EBT card / welfare check? Good grief! Americans like myself are struggling. I’m employed (temp work) but can’t afford health insurance. I don’t drive much either cause I can’t afford gas. My basic $19/month car insurance from Insurance Panda (thank god for it) probably won’t cover me for huge accidents either. I cut cable and internet and I haven’t been out to eat or to the movies in god knows how long. It infuriates me that these people who don’t even belong here are getting more freebies than tax paying, law abiding citizens like myself!

Illegal aliens show up and all of sudden the govt. can buy a college to house them.
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redbird  John (magnum) • 3 hours ago
If obama brings in the U.N. Migrant Council to re-settle the ALIENs under a phony Refugee status, that opens the door to UN peacekeepers, many already here. It won't be us Patriots that fire the 1st shot.
God Bless the U.S.
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larryl212  George • 8 hours ago
Please tell me you're on some kind of "Buzz." In all my years on Disqus this post is the most disjointed... ever. These are demonic times. Think. Be articulate. Our way of life is imploding. So please... don't post such gibberish. It just gives the collectivist movement fodder for their point... "We're all bigoted... ill- educated hayseeds... that need a grand king to tell us all what to do."
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:american

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John (magnum)  rainesson • 3 hours ago
Out Of Control

Our Federal government is out of control,
Flushing our rights down the toilet bowl.
Opening our borders to illegal scum,
For more votes and corrupt-shun.

BLM just made a stand,
And the patriots came to the desert land.
BLM backed down, from round one,
Be vigilant America, this AIN’T done !

Fuhrer Obama and his parasites,
Destroying America is in their sights.
Spying on you spying on me,
This isn’t right in the ‘land of the free’ !

A land of sheep have we become?
The rule of law should be number one.
This old vet will die FREE,
And not upon a bended knee!

They want our guns and complete control,
And they know it won’t be an easy go.
Chip a little here, chip a little there,
Hoping we won’t be aware.

The oath I took for Vietnam,
Is still in effect to protect this land.
If you want my guns you see,
Look up the meaning of MOLON LABE !!

John D USN RVN 71, 72, 73, evac 75

4/13/2014
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Tim  John (magnum) • 2 hours ago
Having some problems getting those upvotes up after your official outing as a federal subversive? Your obvious attempt to inject lawless anti constitutional ideology onto the libertarian, Christian, returning veteran and militia movements by assimilation are down right obvious and ineffective.
Just like the democratic operative caught at the 2nd Amendment rally shouting racist and derogative remarks to attempt to associate by assimilation is very similar, except at least those individuals had the honor to try to deceive the public to their face rather than over the internet hiding from those they set up. Yeah no you are not obvious.

I told you your federal trolling run is over, and now look at you........4 votes. lmfao.
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John (magnum)  BG • an hour ago
Timmy is not playing with a full deck ! From the sound of his rantings, he must be 3 suits shy of a full deck !!
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John (magnum)  Tim • 2 hours ago
From the 3 letter IDIOT gubment troll himself !
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Tim  John (magnum) • 2 hours ago
Its nice to see you are so upbeat during your federal outing!!!!!!
Love the exclamation marks and bold font !!!! lmfao

The rule of law does not include "tarring, feathering and executing" public officials without due process or trial.....hate to have to give you a constitutional lesson in front of the whole discus community like this. But hey, you hide your previous post so it will be like this never happened tomorrow right?
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John (magnum)  Tim • 2 hours ago
ROTFLMAO

The ONLY up votes you get are the ones you give yourself gubment troll.

BTW, arrogant IDIOT gubment troll, it will be a cold day in hell before you school me on ANYTHING !
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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2014, 10:48:00 PM

Was going to say something about how over observing comment numbers over time I should start a site focused solely around Jews (but not Israel), immigrants and abortion but then I remembered WND already exists.

And Takimag.

And AltRight.

I guess they do stray into other topics though, the people probably want a more concise rage enabler.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2014, 10:59:36 PM

Nice win win. If the story is true, more protestors will show up=ugly scene. If the story isn't true, more protestors will show up=ugly scene.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2014, 02:11:48 AM

http://nypost.com/2014/07/06/this-means-warren-obama-backs-challenger-to-hillary/

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President Obama has quietly promised Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren complete support if she runs for president — a stinging rebuke to his nemesis Hillary Clinton, sources tell me.

Publicly, Obama has remained noncommittal on the 2016 race, but privately he worries that Clinton would undo and undermine many of his policies. There’s also a personal animosity, especially with Bill Clinton, that dates from their tough race six years ago.

A former Harvard law professor and administration aide, Warren would energize the left wing of the Democrat Party just as Obama did against Clinton in 2008.

Thanks to her outspoken stand against big banks and the top 1 percent, Warren is the darling of progressives. She won her Senate seat thanks to millions of dollars in donations from outside Massachusetts, including from rich environmentalists and Hollywood celebrities.

Obama has authorized his chief political adviser, Valerie Jarrett, to conduct a full-court press to convince Warren to throw her hat into the ring.

In the past several weeks, Jarrett has held a series of secret meetings with Warren. During these meetings, Jarrett has explained to Warren that Obama is worried that if Hillary succeeds him in the White House, she will undo many of his policies.

He believes that the populist Warren is the best person to convince the party faithful that Hillary is out of touch with poor Americans and the middle class. Warren, in his view, would carry on the Obama legacy after he leaves the White House.

I had to check the byline for Chris Broussard.

But thankfully it's just someone who does not, I repeat does not have any personal interest in such a story:

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Edward Klein is the author of “Blood Feud: The Clintons vs. the Obamas” (Regnery Publishing), which debuted this weekend at No. 1 on The New York Times best-seller list.

Also, quote of the piece:

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When I ran this information before a well-informed Democratic Party operative, he pooh-poohed the scenario.

“It’s all bulls–t,” he said. “The media is creating a Hillary Clinton-Elizabeth Warren rivalry to hype the storyline. If Warren dared to challenge Hillary, women all over America would never forgive her. She’d lose all her credibility.”

That, however, is not the way Valerie Jarrett sees things.

“Both Valerie and Michelle Obama have convinced the president that Elizabeth Warren is his Mini-Me,” said a person who has discussed the issue with Jarrett.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on July 07, 2014, 02:33:21 AM

So in truth Warren's rather centrist, then? I'm not sure what's being gotten at here.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2014, 02:53:16 AM

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camp50  WhatTha • 8 hours ago
It is time for state law enforcement personnel to start arresting these federal agents.
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:lol

Oh, man. Someone post if this ever actually happens. I would love to see Texans explaining their sovereign state rights to the feds as they slap the cuffs on. I'm sure that's EXACTLY how it would play out.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 07, 2014, 02:56:34 AM

Is this before or after the armed militia destroys the US Army, i can't tell?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2014, 03:55:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihP_q6UPUDA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-dNVjMwtVA

Did a segment regarding this on my vlog:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEuMNQ77TTg

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 07, 2014, 06:07:09 AM

that guy in the vblog ends up sounding like Dr Lexus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkPGlVqqEP0

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2014, 11:57:31 AM

Quote from: The Business on July 07, 2014, 11:43:32 AM

This old vet will die FREE,
And not upon a bended knee!

due to heat stroke in Oklahoma
:fbm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2014, 12:56:44 PM

Is this a pseudonym of Marine Todd?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2014, 02:54:22 PM

That second poem repeats the word socialist so much I almost thought it was one of Mayakovsky's agitprop works.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on July 07, 2014, 07:31:57 PM

Why are people so scared of socialism anyway? Do you want to eliminate schools and police and fire departments and road work cause we all pay for them and thus they are socialized and part of the horrible socialist nightmare? I do not understand.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2014, 07:34:55 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on July 07, 2014, 07:31:57 PM

Do you want to eliminate schools and police and fire departments and road work cause we all pay for them and thus they are socialized and part of the horrible socialist nightmare?

They do, actually.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2014, 12:07:30 AM

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MCCAIN: We're not advocating combat troops. We're advocating leaving sustaining capability to give them the capabilities that they don't have right now.

Oh, for real?  :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 12:10:20 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2014, 07:34:55 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on July 07, 2014, 07:31:57 PM

Do you want to eliminate schools and police and fire departments and road work cause we all pay for them and thus they are socialized and part of the horrible socialist nightmare?

They do, actually.

No, they want to eliminate "socialism" for others, they "earned" it or they "paid for" it.

They paid the tithe.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2014, 12:11:38 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2014, 12:07:30 AM

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MCCAIN: We're not advocating combat troops. We're advocating leaving sustaining capability to give them the capabilities that they don't have right now.

Oh, for real?  :hitler

Keep throwing money down the Iraq hole but complain about SNAP costing too much, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 02:08:00 AM

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/imagecache/top-of-content-main/tight_map_horizontal.jpg)

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/07/us-states-tightness-looseness-map

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2014, 02:16:48 AM

Tight as hell.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 02:41:07 AM

So after making a GAF thread for it I actually read the study and their tables, one of their main datasets is at least 15 years old and this is a major independent variable:

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Pornographic magazine circulation
Baron & Straus (1987)

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 08, 2014, 03:47:27 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on July 07, 2014, 07:31:57 PM

Why are people so scared of socialism anyway? Do you want to eliminate schools and police and fire departments and road work cause we all pay for them and thus they are socialized and part of the horrible socialist nightmare? I do not understand.

One thing people must realize about conservatives is that


"FUCK YOU, GOT MINE"

is the cornerstone of all of their arguments, and one of the founding statements of McCarthyism really

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2014, 11:29:40 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sen-robert-menendez-seeks-probe-of-alleged-cuban-plot-to-smear-him/2014/07/07/e9ba25a0-efe8-11e3-914c-1fbd0614e2d4_story.html

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Sen. Robert Menendez is asking the Justice Department to pursue evidence obtained by U.S. investigators that the Cuban government concocted an elaborate plot to smear him with allegations that he cavorted with underage prostitutes, according to people familiar with the discussions.

Karla would be proud.  :whew

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The FBI’s investigation into the prostitution claims was part of the broader and more substantive Justice Department inquiry into the Menendez-[Dr. Saloman] Melgen relationship.

Menendez twice intervened with top federal health-care officials to dispute their agency’s finding that Melgen had overbilled Medicare by $8.9 million for eye treatments at his clinics. The senator also urged top officials at the State and Commerce departments to use their influence over the Dominican Republic to enforce a port security contract for a company in which Melgen was part owner.

The status of the larger probe is uncertain. But according to two people familiar with the investigation, the Justice Department’s public-integrity section and FBI agents are actively pursuing the inquiry and eyeing possible charges against Menendez.

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 06:36:11 PM

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/ac1n4inmfdhfuyls1lzx.jpg)

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It’s been frustrating to see so many people in the black community be convinced that Chris McDaniel was a racist just because someone they trusted told them he was. If they did a little research on their own, they would find out that McDaniel was a basketball standout at South Jones and Jones County Junior College."

At the risk of stereotyping, what color do you think his buddies were on those teams? They not only played ball together, but they went to each others’ homes, ate together, hung out together, shared each others’ problems and dreams. It would’ve been nice if some of those old teammates had come forward to talk about the Chris they know, but being labeled “Uncle Tom” is almost as damning as being labeled a racist. It’s a sad reality.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2014, 07:11:07 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 08, 2014, 03:47:27 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on July 07, 2014, 07:31:57 PM

Why are people so scared of socialism anyway? Do you want to eliminate schools and police and fire departments and road work cause we all pay for them and thus they are socialized and part of the horrible socialist nightmare? I do not understand.

One thing people must realize about conservatives is that


"FUCK YOU, GOT MINE"

is the cornerstone of all of their arguments, and one of the founding statements of McCarthyism really

And as far as "christians" go, it's the fundamental opposite of what Christ taught. I honestly blame the church for not being more steadfast in preaching these values to their following, and providing programs through which the values can be practiced.

Then again, I assume all these "rollin' coal" jerk faces also consider themselves christian, and I can't see how they resolve their behavior against their beliefs there, either.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2014, 08:26:06 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 06:36:11 PM

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It’s been frustrating to see so many people in the black community be convinced that Chris McDaniel was a racist just because someone they trusted told them he was. If they did a little research on their own, they would find out that McDaniel was a basketball standout at South Jones and Jones County Junior College."

At the risk of stereotyping, what color do you think his buddies were on those teams? They not only played ball together, but they went to each others’ homes, ate together, hung out together, shared each others’ problems and dreams. It would’ve been nice if some of those old teammates had come forward to talk about the Chris they know, but being labeled “Uncle Tom” is almost as damning as being labeled a racist. It’s a sad reality.

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 08, 2014, 09:52:05 PM

thank goodness he had black friends. clearly he can't be a racist.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2014, 10:15:03 PM

So...it turns out that President Harding was a total horndog:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/harding-mistress-sexually-explicit-letters

Honestly, I hurt with the insatiate longing, until I feel that there will never be any relief untilI take a long, deep, wild draught on your lips and then bury my face on your pillowing breasts. Oh, Carrie! I want the solace you only can give. It is awful to hunger so and be so wholly denied. . . . Wouldn’t you like to get sopping wet out on Superior — not the lake — for the joy of fevered fondling and melting kisses?

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According to the Times, Harding used code words in his letters. For example, he referred to his penis as "Jerry." As the Huffington Post pointed out, he mentioned Jerry in a March 12, 1915 letter:

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Jerry ... came in while I was pondering your notes in glad reflection, and we talked about it ... He told me to say that you are the best and darlingest in the world, and if he could have but one wish, it would be to be held in your darling embrace and be thrilled by your pink lips that convey the surpassing rapture of human touch and the unspeakable joy of love’s surpassing embrace.

:larry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 10:37:51 PM

His wife didn't burn a bunch of his stuff after he died for no reason.

 :american One of our greatest Presidents.  :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2014, 10:42:04 PM

More like Warren G. Hardening, amirite? No doubt he was getting plenty of (teapot) dome.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2014, 10:55:06 PM

If your dick doesn't return to normalcy after four hours, contact your doctor.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 08, 2014, 11:10:06 PM

Y'all is killing me. :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 08, 2014, 11:19:32 PM

Thoughts?

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/08/sarah-palin-just-joined-the-impeach-obama-crowd-thats-bad-news-for-the-gop/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2014, 11:34:16 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 08, 2014, 11:19:32 PM

Thoughts?

Fuck John McCain.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2014, 12:47:32 AM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 08, 2014, 11:19:32 PM

Thoughts?

http://m.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/07/08/sarah-palin-just-joined-the-impeach-obama-crowd-thats-bad-news-for-the-gop/

I wonder if they actually think that even if they got Obama impeached and convicted that this would somehow result in a GOP candidate winning in 2016? :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2014, 12:48:14 AM

The Presidency defaults to the loser of the last election right?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 09, 2014, 12:52:28 AM

I can't wait for President Joe Fucking Badass Biden.

But I will feel sad for B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein Superallah Obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2014, 03:15:46 AM

If the panel of three don't, the en banc will.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 09, 2014, 10:56:49 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/OZehXQj.jpg)

Truly, our greatest president

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2014, 11:28:28 AM

I like how that little secret service dude looks like he's ready to pounce in an instant. You probably couldn't squeeze a dime through his sphincter.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 09, 2014, 04:00:44 PM

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/07/09/americans-ready-for-palin-to-pipe-down/

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More than 40% of Americans are tired of them. Ms. Palin gets the dubious distinction of 52% wishing her to fade away, including almost 2 out of 5 conservatives and Republicans

:aah

http://www.mediaite.com/online/reid-blames-five-white-men-on-scotus-for-hobby-lobby-just-one-problem/

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Yesterday, Senator Harry Reid spoke out against the Hobby Lobby Supreme Court ruling and ruled against the “five white men” on the Supreme Court who ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby last week

(http://i41.tinypic.com/1icu35.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2014, 05:22:14 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 09, 2014, 02:52:26 AM

Anyone else pretty anxious about the result of Halbig v Burwell? The decision was originally supposed to come out on Tuesday, but might not be until Friday. Obviously the 3 member D.C. Circuit Court wouldn't have the last word, but I'll feel a hell of a lot better with a win.

I worry about any federal case with far-reaching implications these days, such is the nature of our times.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2014, 06:33:19 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-john-boehner-barely-disguise-his-disdain-for-sarah-palin/

Boehner :rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2014, 07:51:15 PM

That feel when you know your caucus is crazier than a shithouse rat, but they're the only thing you've got left.  :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2014, 09:17:32 PM

http://instagram.com/p/qNwt64DtFW

imagine the jimmy rustling this is going to generate
(http://i.imgur.com/8ISIdcZ.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 09, 2014, 10:03:37 PM

I wish he said yes!!! #myman #mypresident

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 10, 2014, 08:35:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/LAI1GNj.jpg)

Governor Hipster doesn't like this mainstream President.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 10, 2014, 08:56:32 AM

I wish Obama would reach across the aisle and deck Perry.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 10, 2014, 10:32:06 AM

It's been 10 years since Outfoxed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2i_HH54BPk

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 10, 2014, 10:45:36 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 10, 2014, 08:56:32 AM

I wish Obama would reach across the aisle and deck Perry.

I wish he'd grab a tree limb, smash it into Perry while yelling "Take my Executive branch!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2014, 11:02:31 AM

You can tell Perry's people told him to remain Serious and Resolute throughout the trip.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: brob on July 10, 2014, 11:56:50 AM

Quote from: chronovore on July 10, 2014, 10:45:36 AM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 10, 2014, 08:56:32 AM

I wish Obama would reach across the aisle and deck Perry.

I wish he'd grab a tree limb, smash it into Perry while yelling "Take my Executive branch!"

didn't they do this exact bit on celebrity death match (albeit a different president)?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 10, 2014, 02:39:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/T5eIg6L.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2014, 04:16:16 PM

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The testimony of nine military officers undermines contentions by Republican lawmakers that a "stand-down order" held back military assets that could have saved the U.S. ambassador and three other Americans killed at a diplomatic outpost and CIA annex in Benghazi, Libya.

The "stand-down" theory centers on a Special Operations team of four — a detachment leader, a medic, a communications expert and a weapons operator with his foot in a cast — who were stopped from flying from Tripoli to Benghazi after the attacks of Sept. 11-12, 2012, had ended. Instead, they were instructed to help protect and care for those being evacuated from Benghazi and from the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli.

The senior military officer who issued the instruction to "remain in place" and the detachment leader who received it said it was the right decision and has been widely mischaracterized. The order was to remain in Tripoli and protect some three dozen embassy personnel rather than fly to Benghazi some 600 miles away after all Americans there would have been evacuated. And the medic is credited with saving the life of an evacuee from the attacks.

Transcripts of hours of closed-door interviews with the military leaders by the House Armed Services and Oversight and Government Reform committees were made public for the first time on Wednesday. The Associated Press had reviewed the material ahead of its release.

Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., chairman of the Oversight panel, has suggested Hillary Rodham Clinton gave the order, though as secretary of state at the time, she was not in the military chain of command.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/apnewsbreak-no-stand-down-order-benghazi

surprise

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2014, 05:01:34 PM

Quote from: helios on July 10, 2014, 08:35:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/LAI1GNj.jpg)

Governor Hipster doesn't like this mainstream President.

He said the President is near.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 10, 2014, 07:34:31 PM

Boehner finally decided which one of the dozens of high crimes and misdemeanors he's gonna settle on suing Obama for: Delaying the employer health care mandate.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 10, 2014, 08:03:36 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2014, 08:07:49 PM

"Hey man, Al Capone went to jail for not paying his taxes"
:yeshrug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 10, 2014, 08:19:16 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 10, 2014, 07:34:31 PM

Boehner finally decided which one of the dozens of high crimes and misdemeanors he's gonna settle on suing Obama for: Delaying the employer health care mandate.

I... can't.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2014, 09:06:14 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 10, 2014, 10:04:33 PM

 :mindblown

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2014, 10:38:15 PM

ESCH PLS
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/d%E2%80%99souza-and-msnbc-host-in-explosive-battle-over-slavery-%E2%80%98radical%E2%80%99-obama/

:mindblown

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 01:33:55 AM

This dude is seriously dismissing genocide because the overall tactics of conquering were used by other countries before America. I'm surprised that the hosts didn't bring up his comments that slavery ultimately was good for black people since they're no longer in that shit hole called Africa. Never mind that there's no telling what Africa would be if it wasn't fucked up by slavery and colonialism. I'm going to take a wild guess and say Africa would be better off today without that shit, but hey that's just me.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2014, 02:05:51 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 01:33:55 AM

Never mind that there's no telling what Africa would be if it wasn't fucked up by slavery and colonialism. I'm going to take a wild guess and say Africa would be better off today without that shit, but hey that's just me.

Sounds like something a limp-wristed America-hating commie socialist would say.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 11, 2014, 02:25:41 AM

Taxation is slavery, the federal debt is slavery, labor laws are slavery, Obamacare is slavery.

Everything is slavery!  Except slavery, which really wasn't all that bad.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 11, 2014, 03:11:34 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 10, 2014, 07:34:31 PM

Boehner finally decided which one of the dozens of high crimes and misdemeanors he's gonna settle on suing Obama for: Delaying the employer health care mandate.

Where's my DIAF gif?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 11, 2014, 03:14:06 PM

Let's not ignore the other part of Dinesh's argument. Liberals claim to hate the wealthy but who they REALLY hate happens to be immigrants! Why? Cause liberals hated the people who owned slaves and killed the Native Americans. And guess what? Those people were immigrants!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2014, 04:22:24 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 11, 2014, 03:14:06 PM

Let's not ignore the other part of Dinesh's argument. Liberals claim to hate the wealthy but who they REALLY hate happens to be immigrants! Why? Cause liberals hated the people who owned slaves and killed the Native Americans. And guess what? Those people were immigrants!

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2014, 05:34:38 PM

Apparently Gene Simmons has been in cryosleep for the past 4 years and decided he needed to weigh in on the whole 1% dealio:

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“I have been part of the 1 percent for the past 30 years… It’s fantastic! The 1 percent pays 80 percent of all taxes. Fifty percent of the population of the U.S. pays no taxes. The 1 percent provides all the jobs for everybody else. If the 1 percent didn’t exist, there would be chaos and the American economy would drop dead. Try being nice to rich people. I don’t remember the last poor person who gave me a job.”

Wonder how many millionaires were packing the seats to see KISS.  :cody

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 11, 2014, 05:39:42 PM

Nice of them to distill all the money from the ether into their wallets and hand it out for a bit of work.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 06:10:13 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 11, 2014, 03:14:06 PM

Let's not ignore the other part of Dinesh's argument. Liberals claim to hate the wealthy but who they REALLY hate happens to be immigrants! Why? Cause liberals hated the people who owned slaves and killed the Native Americans. And guess what? Those people were immigrants!

I can imagine Dinesh making this argument at some GOP cocktail party in Georgetown and his rich white friends being like ehhh, dunno if that's going to work for us Danny.
(http://images.rapgenius.com/9v4zte8lg953pcd8rf77t54vm.300x225x25.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 07:39:08 PM

Plus I'd imagine there's at least one agent in the crowd, and each crowd the president greets has been set up or screened.

Kerry came to my school in 2004 and I remember seeing snipers on the roof. That blanket of security is crazy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2014, 09:02:20 PM

Quote

[W]hen questioned about his position on social issues, [Minnesota House candidate Bob Frey (R)] added that it “does certainly need to be addressed for what it is. It’s not about the gay agenda but about the science and the financial impact of that agenda. It’s more about sodomy than about pigeonholing a lifestyle.”

Frey then explained his view: “When you have egg and sperm that meet in conception, there’s an enzyme in the front that burns through the egg. The enzyme burns through so the DNA can enter the egg. If the sperm is deposited anally, it's the enzyme that causes the immune system to fail. That’s why the term is AIDS – acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.”

 :what

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 11, 2014, 09:04:51 PM

another wonderful application of faux-science. Yes, that is how AIDS is transmitted

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2014, 09:05:39 PM

(http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyx9kowUbA1qcm16uo1_500.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 12, 2014, 01:17:52 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2014, 09:02:20 PM

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[W]hen questioned about his position on social issues, [Minnesota House candidate Bob Frey (R)] added that it “does certainly need to be addressed for what it is. It’s not about the gay agenda but about the science and the financial impact of that agenda. It’s more about sodomy than about pigeonholing a lifestyle.”

Frey then explained his view: “When you have egg and sperm that meet in conception, there’s an enzyme in the front that burns through the egg. The enzyme burns through so the DNA can enter the egg. If the sperm is deposited anally, it's the enzyme that causes the immune system to fail. That’s why the term is AIDS – acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.”

 :what

So is HIV denialism another fucking hobby horse the right has picked up? This is a new one to me

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2014, 01:35:59 AM

Quote from: Mamacint on July 12, 2014, 01:17:52 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2014, 09:02:20 PM

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[W]hen questioned about his position on social issues, [Minnesota House candidate Bob Frey (R)] added that it “does certainly need to be addressed for what it is. It’s not about the gay agenda but about the science and the financial impact of that agenda. It’s more about sodomy than about pigeonholing a lifestyle.”

Frey then explained his view: “When you have egg and sperm that meet in conception, there’s an enzyme in the front that burns through the egg. The enzyme burns through so the DNA can enter the egg. If the sperm is deposited anally, it's the enzyme that causes the immune system to fail. That’s why the term is AIDS – acquired immunodeficiency syndrome.”

 :what

So is HIV denialism another fucking hobby horse the right has picked up? This is a new one to me

Too long we've labored under the notion that AIDS is a "gay disease", we need to teach people that slutty girls that take it up the butt are also at risk.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2014, 08:37:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/jtclkrv.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 12, 2014, 09:35:47 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2014, 01:35:59 AM

Too long we've labored under the notion that AIDS is a "gay disease", we need to teach people that slutty girls that take it up the butt are also at risk.

Whatch this lead to more teenage pregnancies. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 12:13:08 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2014, 05:34:38 PM

Wonder how many millionaires were packing the seats to see KISS.  :cody

Or how many are packing the seats at Los Angeles KISS games.

Yes, LA's Arena Football League team is named for KISS and owned/operated by old Gene.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 12, 2014, 12:20:14 PM

http://i.imgur.com/tySc42r.png

:lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 12, 2014, 12:32:41 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 12, 2014, 12:20:14 PM

http://i.imgur.com/tySc42r.png

:lol

Free and fair elections brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2014, 02:38:17 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 12, 2014, 12:20:14 PM

http://i.imgur.com/tySc42r.png

:lol

These are some of my old favorites, all gone now except this first one:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Illinois_District_4_2004.png)
(http://www.wrhammons.com/AZ02_109.gif)
Allen West's old district:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/FL22_109.PNG)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Illinois%27s_17th_congressional_district.gif)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Pa12_109.gif)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3b/FL20_109.PNG)

After 2000:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/North_Carolina_12th_Congressional_District_%28National_Atlas%29.gif)
After 2010:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/57/North_Carolina_US_Congressional_District_12_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-1024px-North_Carolina_US_Congressional_District_12_%28since_2013%29.tif.png)

After 2000:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f5/United_States_House_of_Representatives%2C_Maryland_District_3_map.png)
And then when they redistricted it in 2010:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/Maryland_US_Congressional_District_3_%28since_2013%29.tif/lossless-page1-1024px-Maryland_US_Congressional_District_3_%28since_2013%29.tif.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2014, 12:40:02 PM

Fox News annihilating Perry's border patrol nonsense
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/13/rick-perry-deporting-refugee-kids-as-quickly-as-possible-is-the-most-humanitarian-thing/

How can you argue illegal immigrants are lawless people while simultaneously arguing they'll be convinced by national guard troops (who can't arrest or shoot at them!) to not enter the country? They've already traveled this far, why the fuck would they turn around due to seeing weapon-less "guards" in their way? And besides, 1000 troops isn't even enough to block the whole fucking border. It's an impossible goal.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 14, 2014, 10:59:32 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/14/gop-self-destruction-millennials-conservatives-backlash

:rock

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2014, 11:00:50 AM

If only the GOP felt as passionate about real kids as they do zygotes. This migrant child situation is a slap in the face to pro-lifers. Here's a bunch of unwanted kids... oh, you don't want them either?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 12:20:08 PM

Quote from: Formerly Known As Himuro on July 14, 2014, 10:59:32 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jul/14/gop-self-destruction-millennials-conservatives-backlash

:rock

bububu Stacy Dash said millennials are trending conservative

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2014, 09:58:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU9U3ZnAD5E
 :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 14, 2014, 10:41:19 PM

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 14, 2014, 11:13:14 PM

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2014, 12:03:29 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/07/14/whs_earnest_obama_absolutely_the_most_transparent_president_in_history.html

I was trying to think if I could do this job if I thought of it like one big troll opportunity, but the press is all in on it so it's really only like second or third hand trolling.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 01:14:21 AM

Archie Comics is set to kill off the main character Archie, who takes a bullet for his gay friend as both a message for stricter gun laws & that gayness is good & worth defending.

I cannot wait for the political firestorm.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 15, 2014, 04:58:24 AM

yeah, Archie comics doing that is real controversial.

shit. I mean, what's next?  Is Glee going to have a pro-gay rights episode?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2014, 08:56:15 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 01:14:21 AM

I cannot wait for the political firestorm.

Wouldn't people have to know that Archie is still even a thing in order for this to be controversial?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 15, 2014, 01:52:34 PM

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A majority of Americans view House Speaker John Boehner’s (R-Ohio) lawsuit over President Obama’s delayed implementation of ObamaCare’s employer mandate as a “political stunt,” according to a new poll released Monday.

The survey, commissioned by liberal advocacy group Americans United for Change, found that 51 percent of voters don’t believe the lawsuit is legitimate, versus just 41 percent who do.

Moreover, 56 percent say the lawsuit is wasteful spending, with just 36 percent saying it is a good use of taxpayer dollars.

....

The survey found that a plurality of Americans — 46 percent — say the suit makes them less likely to vote for Republicans in the upcoming midterm elections. By contrast, three in 10 say the suit makes them more likely to vote for the GOP.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/15/1314106/-Poll-Boehner-s-pre-impeachment-lawsuit-is-backfiring (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/15/1314106/-Poll-Boehner-s-pre-impeachment-lawsuit-is-backfiring)

lol, good job Boner. :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 02:09:13 PM

I'd be far more interested in seeing what independents have to say, given the natural polarization that occurs between dem and rep responders.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 02:25:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2014, 08:56:15 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 01:14:21 AM

I cannot wait for the political firestorm.

Wouldn't people have to know that Archie is still even a thing in order for this to be controversial?

Archie comics still regularly outsells Marvel + DC combined.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 02:40:58 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 02:25:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2014, 08:56:15 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 01:14:21 AM

I cannot wait for the political firestorm.

Wouldn't people have to know that Archie is still even a thing in order for this to be controversial?

Archie comics still regularly outsells Marvel + DC combined.

no fucking way. really?
:mindblown

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 02:46:47 PM

His adventures may be mostly bland -- Life With Archie being an exception, as that was the series they took Archie in different places, like marrying either Betty or Veronica, becoming a superhero, and now... well, now he's going to get shot defending his gay best friend (in that particular universe canon).

Never underestimate the power of being available in every supermarket and also, mostly, being inoffensive and bland about life.  He's a comics icon for a reason.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 15, 2014, 05:56:51 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 02:25:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2014, 08:56:15 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 01:14:21 AM

I cannot wait for the political firestorm.

Wouldn't people have to know that Archie is still even a thing in order for this to be controversial?

Archie comics still regularly outsells Marvel + DC combined.

Comics-bore will have to chime in, but I'm pretty sure that's not true.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 07:08:19 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 15, 2014, 07:04:19 PM

Crossing my fingers that we get Halbig v Burwell tomorrow. I haven't been this anxious about a case since 2012.

meh. I can't see it going against the admin. But if it does they'll just call for a vote from the full court, which will rule in the law's favor.

And if it heads back to the SC I don't see Roberts shitcanning it over a typo.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 15, 2014, 08:47:08 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/--100540
:rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2014, 10:37:30 PM

 :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 15, 2014, 10:59:04 PM

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2014, 11:07:42 PM

 :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 15, 2014, 11:57:22 PM

 :PP

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 16, 2014, 01:24:55 AM

They weren't migrant children ... but trickle down sad, just like Reagan promised!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 02:14:48 AM

The video of the actual event is pretty great too, how everyone goes running when a bus is sighted:
http://www.azcentral.com/story/brahm-resnik/2014/07/15/arizona-politician-mistakes-campers-for-migrant-children/12701279/

(http://i.imgur.com/lB7KhfY.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 02:09:36 PM

(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/anmjdfwzv0grx-jw9s4-6w.png)
(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/48hauumut0coztyfligg8a.png)

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/gop-congressman-kids-at-border-gang-members-from-culture-of

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A Florida Republican congressman called undocumented immigrant children at the border not children at all but gang-affiliated persons from a culture of thievery, murder, and violence.

“A lot of these children … quote-unquote … ya know, the first caller mentioned it, ya know, they’re gang members. They’re gang affiliated,” Florida Republican Rep. Rich Nugent said on WOCA radio Monday.

Nugent added that the culture the children were coming from was one of violence and there would be a complications in bringing the children into American culture.

“Listen, if you’re 14, 15, 16, 17 years old, and you’re coming from a country that’s gang-infested — particularly with MS-13 types, that is the most aggressive of all the street gangs — when you have those types coming across the border, they’re not children at that point. These kids have been brought up in a culture of thievery. A culture of murder, of rape. And now we are going to infuse them into the American culture. It’s just ludicrous.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 02:37:38 PM

Quote from: Esch on July 16, 2014, 12:23:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cQRUi1YUuQ

:holeup

Sherrod in the first 45 seconds of an earlier episode wins:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG7vIDqJQNI

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2014, 03:39:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 02:09:36 PM

(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/anmjdfwzv0grx-jw9s4-6w.png)

:heh Reality check spike.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 04:07:18 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/382911/former-border-patrol-deputy-chief-all-good-was-done-after-911-now-has-been-reversed (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/382911/former-border-patrol-deputy-chief-all-good-was-done-after-911-now-has-been-reversed)

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Former national deputy chief of the U.S. Border Patrol Ronald Colburn tells National Review Online that the Obama administration has undone all of the progress made at America’s southern border since 9/11.

“We’re back to a pre-9/11 situation basically, and this administration did that in the past five years,” he says. “All of the good that was done after 9/11 up to now has been reversed singlehandedly.”

Colburn, who spent more than 30 years working for U.S. Customs and Border Protection, says the resulting national-security risk has to do with the “clutter” of people at the border. He says all of the gains made since 9/11 came as a result of reducing the number of people crossing the border. The Border Patrol’s task is to sort through the haystack of people as they come across, he says. “What this situation on the border is doing is growing the haystack, is adding clutter, so that those dangerous needles get through because we’re tied up capturing, instead, juvenile children from Guatemala and El Salvador,” he says. “When you see the cartels — the Zetas and MS-13 and the Gulf Cartel — laughing about this on the Internet, you know what’s behind it.”

Colburn says the “gangsters down south” enjoy social media, taking selfies, and talking about one another online. Border Patrol officials monitor the cartels’ online communications along with officials from the Department of Defense and intelligence community, he says.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/07/16/ralph_peters_obama_is_by_far_the_worst_foreign_policy_and_security_president_ever.html

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RALPH PETERS: You often hear people say, 'Obama is the worst president ever.' And it sounds like hyperbole. But in the foreign policy and security sphere, without a doubt, Obama is by far the worst foreign policy and security president we have ever had, pervasive extensive failures of practically every continent, at the same time we have this shameless self-congratulations from the White House. You really have to go to the roots of this: Obama came to office in early 2009, really prejudiced against America. In foreign policy, and the West, and certainly Israel, as the problem, and certainly the cause of the problems. And Islamic extremism, and Russian intransigence, as effects. But the world is more complicated than that. And I will tell you, America has not been this weak in my lifetime. Even Jimmy Carter looks relatively strong by comparison.

...

You look at the litany of Obama’s disastrous failures. Russia: hey, when’s the last time you heard anybody talk about Putin giving back Ukraine? We had that catastrophic nuclear deal, where we gave away important duel-use systems and Russians gave up junkets going to the stockpile. Then, you have Iran, Iran nukes, they’re playing us like a violin, Iraq, the rise of a caliphate state, a terrorist state. Obviously, Syria, almost 180,000 dead, although nobody knows how many for sure. The reaction in Eqypt, the mess in Libya, you’ve got Boko Haram in Nigeria, you’ve got a mess in Somalia, South Sudan, tragedies nobody even hears about. I mean the list goes on and on.

EVERYWHERE CRISIS, THANKS OBAMA

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 16, 2014, 04:18:38 PM

 :lol :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2014, 08:28:54 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 16, 2014, 06:38:01 PM

Clearly all the world's problems are due to our government's failures.

No, Obama's. If we had our government back we wouldn't have to suffer from his failures.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2014, 09:18:58 PM

At least Bush kept us safe (except for that one time).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2014, 09:37:39 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2014, 09:18:58 PM

At least Bush kept us safe (except for that one time).

Yeah, but did he give a stand down order that day? :smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2014, 09:49:56 PM

That mindset is amazing. World turmoil doesn't mean the US isn't leading. We shouldn't be involved in every fucking foreign affair.

BTW the last year or two has really shown that the mainstream GOP's libertarian flirting was simply bullshit. They're still neocons and hardcore interventionists, especially when the US isn't involved in something; flip flops are certain when the Obama administration does actually stir (see: Libya, John McCain). All that Ron Paul talk was was talk. It'll be very interesting to see where the base's views reside during debates. Rand Paul has been relatively consistent in his anti-intervention views whereas the current darling Rick Perry wants us to re-invade Iraq.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2014, 02:00:14 AM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/07/10/first-person-to-legally-purchase-pot-in-wa-fired-after-being-seen-on-local-news-buying-it/

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The first person to legally purchase marijuana in the state of Washington was fired from his job as a security worker after he was spotted on television making the purchase.

At 2 p.m. on Tuesday, Mike Boyer was the first person in the door of the Spokane Green Leaf marijuana dispensary. He was captured on video by KXLY yelling, “Go Washington!” as he legally purchased four grams of Sour Kush.

America stands for freedom
but if you think you're free
try using marijuana
purchased from a legal dispensary

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2014, 02:29:40 AM

Wasn't that guy quickly rehired because of the backlash caused by his firing?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2014, 02:51:12 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2014, 02:29:40 AM

Wasn't that guy quickly rehired because of the backlash caused by his firing?

Maybe?

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/pot/2014/07/10/was-mike-boyer-really-fired-for-buying-weed-in-spokane/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on July 17, 2014, 06:44:28 AM

Quote from: Karakand on July 17, 2014, 02:51:12 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 17, 2014, 02:29:40 AM

Wasn't that guy quickly rehired because of the backlash caused by his firing?

Maybe?

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/pot/2014/07/10/was-mike-boyer-really-fired-for-buying-weed-in-spokane/

That last paragraph and a half makes me go "hmmmmm".

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2014, 05:12:35 PM

Oh yeah, definitely.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 17, 2014, 08:43:28 PM

Rich people vote in their interests. Why not the poor? (http://www.salon.com/2014/07/16/i_was_poor_but_a_gop_die_hard_how_i_finally_left_the_politics_of_shame/)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2014, 09:04:12 PM

Quote from: helios on July 17, 2014, 08:43:28 PM

Rich people vote in their interests. Why not the poor? (http://www.salon.com/2014/07/16/i_was_poor_but_a_gop_die_hard_how_i_finally_left_the_politics_of_shame/)

Moving read.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on July 18, 2014, 12:12:25 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 02:46:47 PM

His adventures may be mostly bland -- Life With Archie being an exception, as that was the series they took Archie in different places, like marrying either Betty or Veronica, becoming a superhero, and now... well, now he's going to get shot defending his gay best friend (in that particular universe canon).

Never underestimate the power of being available in every supermarket and also, mostly, being inoffensive and bland about life.  He's a comics icon for a reason.

My friend writes for Archie Comics, he gave me a free copy of this. Threw in a lot of retro game references too while he wrote it:

(http://www.archiecomics.com/Portals/0/ArchieCyberAdventures-0.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 18, 2014, 03:39:53 AM

Quote from: Oscar the Grouch on July 17, 2014, 10:51:45 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on July 15, 2014, 05:56:51 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 02:25:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2014, 08:56:15 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 15, 2014, 01:14:21 AM

I cannot wait for the political firestorm.

Wouldn't people have to know that Archie is still even a thing in order for this to be controversial?

Archie comics still regularly outsells Marvel + DC combined.

Comics-bore will have to chime in, but I'm pretty sure that's not true.

no, this is absolutely true, at least as far as physical sales go.  and they're even made on a lower budget.  marvel and dc's books sell like shit.

The fact that Archie sales have been on a decline and still outselling Marvel + DC shows the sordid state of actual comic book sales nowadays.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 18, 2014, 06:40:19 PM

Saw some article on Slate I think it was about the Postal Service offering simple banking as a way of making it profitable again. Has this actually been discussed in a serious way, or is it just sort-of progressive daydreaming? Because it would be fantastic if USPS started offering low cost simple banking. Rural and urban communities alike are underserved and the USPS could always use more scratch.

One of the EAs I work for is the accounting equivalent of a public defender, which means the employees of their clients aren't exactly Rich Uncle Pennybags, and it always guts me when I look through their clients' records and see how many people have to use check cashing in 2014.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 18, 2014, 11:37:40 PM

Banks don't want  another competitor. banks rule the land. therefore, it won't happen unless they get a share of the largess tax free.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 19, 2014, 12:28:16 AM

The post office offered a savings program for over 50 years, but discontinued it in 1967, back when, you know, people had decent paying jobs and didn't find themselves shut out of the system. It makes a fuck ton of practical sense, but of course we can't have anything nice because our President is a Gay Kenyan Muslim Socialist Communist Homobortionist that hates freedom. Or something.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2014, 12:36:57 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 19, 2014, 12:28:16 AM

The post office offered a savings program for over 50 years, but discontinued it in 1967, back when, you know, people had decent paying jobs and didn't find themselves shut out of the system. It makes a fuck ton of practical sense, but of course we can't have anything nice because our President is a Gay Kenyan Muslim Socialist Communist Homobortionist that hates freedom. Or something.

Poor people just waiting for Uncle Sugar to give them a handout of affordable banking services.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2014, 12:40:43 AM

Now it'll be easier than ever for strapping young bucks to get their lobster.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 19, 2014, 03:10:14 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 19, 2014, 12:28:16 AM

The post office offered a savings program for over 50 years, but discontinued it in 1967, back when, you know, people had decent paying jobs and didn't find themselves shut out of the system. It makes a fuck ton of practical sense, but of course we can't have anything nice because our President is a Gay Kenyan Muslim Socialist Communist Homobortionist that hates freedom. Or something.

Germany learned the lesson and just turned that side of the postal service into a bank when it was privatized.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 19, 2014, 04:14:43 PM

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Some senior Republicans are warning that the party cannot rebuild its reputation with Hispanics if it is drawn into another emotional fight over cracking down on migrants — especially when so many are young children who are escaping extreme poverty and violence. But pleas for compassion and even modest proposals for change are dividing the party, and setting off intense resistance among conservative Republicans who have resisted a broader overhaul of immigration.

Gestures of sympathy, like a trip to the border by Glenn Beck, the conservative radio and television personality who has raised more than $2 million to buy teddy bears, shoes and food for migrant children, were met with scorn and derision. Some anti-immigrant activists responded to news that the government was buying new clothing for the detainees by organizing a campaign to mail them dirty underwear.

 :what

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2014, 04:36:40 PM

Care more about newly-fertilized eggs, corporations, and protecting greenhouse gases than actual human beings, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 19, 2014, 04:43:23 PM

No, seriously though, what kind of human being knows what these children have been through and does shit like that? Fuck

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2014, 05:07:16 PM

This is what happens when you build your party platform around catering to racists.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 19, 2014, 05:52:47 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 19, 2014, 12:28:16 AM

The post office offered a savings program for over 50 years, but discontinued it in 1967, back when, you know, people had decent paying jobs and didn't find themselves shut out of the system. It makes a fuck ton of practical sense, but of course we can't have anything nice because our President is a Gay Kenyan Muslim Socialist Communist Homobortionist that hates freedom. Or something.

I didn't know this, thanks for filling me in.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on July 19, 2014, 09:46:28 PM

They are all racist

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 19, 2014, 11:43:45 PM

Despite espousing a belief in competition, some Americans don't actually want to compete for anything, or keep competing to maintain their lifestyle. Immigrants are a visible reminder that they're bought off, but not really bought off.

e: As a historical example, the Asiatic Exclusion League was founded by union workers.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2014, 12:26:22 AM

Immigrants are just easier to make an other because well, there's all sorts of ways to set them aside that's a lot easier than neighbors. Like the fact that they're born in other countries for one. It's why you want to grab a bear with George W. Bush but want to draw Hitler mustaches on Barack Obama. One was born here and the other wasn't.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2014, 12:36:36 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 20, 2014, 12:26:22 AM

It's why you want to grab a bear with George W. Bush

demi alt account revealed

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 20, 2014, 12:39:54 AM

Do you think these racist terrible americans would feel better if all these immigrants changed their names to something more american like John Miracle Whip Trumpington?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2014, 01:18:20 AM

They'll feel better when the immigrant children's children identify as white in 30 years

(http://i.imgur.com/nIoEAeo.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 20, 2014, 01:27:11 AM

#latinoheat

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 20, 2014, 01:58:30 AM

Quote from: toku on July 20, 2014, 12:39:54 AM

Do you think these racist terrible americans would feel better if all these immigrants changed their names to something more american like John Miracle Whip Trumpington?

Sure as shit would be better for those who can get away with it, as sad as it is. That's what "integration" often means. In Japan that's part of the naturalization process. You have to take a Japanese name.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2014, 02:23:01 AM

"Americanization" of names often came about out of bureaucratic laziness.  :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2014, 02:33:32 AM

Quote from: toku on July 20, 2014, 12:39:54 AM

Do you think these racist terrible americans would feel better if all these immigrants changed their names to something more american like John Miracle Whip Trumpington?

I still have to hear about "Jew landlords" in Los Angeles, so no.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 20, 2014, 05:17:30 AM

=/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2014, 11:00:25 PM

Quote from: Karakand on July 20, 2014, 02:33:32 AM

Quote from: toku on July 20, 2014, 12:39:54 AM

Do you think these racist terrible americans would feel better if all these immigrants changed their names to something more american like John Miracle Whip Trumpington?

I still have to hear about "Jew landlords" in Los Angeles, so no.

Miracle Whip was the 13th tribe

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2014, 03:49:00 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/creationist-ken-ham-aliens-will-go-to-hell-so-really-why-fund-nasa/

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“NASA is Pointless, Declares Creationist” may be a rather obvious headline, but Ken Ham took it one step further and declared why NASA is pointless: because they’re searching for extraterrestrial life, and according to the Bible, aliens are going to go to hell anyways, so why even bother?

“Jesus did not become the ‘GodKlingon’ or the ‘GodMartian’!” he declared in a Sunday column on his website, Answering Genesis. “Only descendants of Adam can be saved.”

 :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2014, 04:09:30 PM

 :badass

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 21, 2014, 07:17:32 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/07/21/snowden-nsa-sexting/12937507/

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Former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden says the analysts who monitored the texts and e-mails of millions of Americans would sometimes share intercepted nude photos and sex texts with colleagues.

:american

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:snoop

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2014, 07:42:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY

Seems like a week doesn't go buy without this show doing something awesome. Impressive.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 21, 2014, 07:49:09 PM

Being weekly instead of daily really helps.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2014, 07:58:53 PM

Private prisons are basically everything that Republican accuse Democrats of doing with the government.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 21, 2014, 10:38:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2014, 07:42:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY

Seems like a week doesn't go buy without this show doing something awesome. Impressive.

I would have watched this show if he hadn't shat all over Oregon, which is actually a pretty great state outside of the website debacle.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on July 21, 2014, 10:41:29 PM

but oregon has portland tho

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2014, 12:45:40 AM

http://davidsimon.com/within-the-acela-cocoon/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 22, 2014, 12:46:16 AM

... a great reason that Oregon is awesome, yeah.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 22, 2014, 01:01:47 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2014, 07:42:52 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pz3syET3DY

Seems like a week doesn't go buy without this show doing something awesome. Impressive.

That bit with the CCA investment circular... I read too much shit like that.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 22, 2014, 04:49:44 AM

Quote from: toku on July 21, 2014, 07:49:09 PM

Being weekly instead of daily really helps.

Doesn't seem to help Bill Maher very much, tho.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 22, 2014, 09:07:32 AM

John Oliver has been killing it every week.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2014, 11:14:45 AM

Federal appeals court struck down the subsidies in half the states (2-1 ruling); it will now be voted on by the full court, which is controlled by democrats.

Given Roberts' history of ruling in favor of corporations, I'm not worried about the Supreme Court settling this nonsense in a year or two.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 22, 2014, 11:28:11 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on July 22, 2014, 04:49:44 AM

Quote from: toku on July 21, 2014, 07:49:09 PM

Being weekly instead of daily really helps.

Doesn't seem to help Bill Maher very much, tho.

Has Bill Maher ever been funny though?  Watching him is like watching John Stossel, you just kind of want to punch the guy.

"The Liberal John Stossel" sounds about right for Bill Maher

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 22, 2014, 12:29:32 PM

Why can't we just be ruled by AI?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 22, 2014, 12:48:50 PM

Quote from: helios on July 22, 2014, 12:29:32 PM

Why can't we just be ruled by AI?

Well we all know what ending you picked in Deus Ex now.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2014, 02:15:42 PM

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/95825/large/RTR3UIYE.jpg?1405990953)

:what

Land of the free, brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 22, 2014, 04:12:10 PM

I keep sing and hearing comments about this shit from people around me and I REALLY, REALLY want to believe they're not bad people and they just lack perspective but fuck it's difficult.  I'm always amazed how some people can just be so ugly to one another. 

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 22, 2014, 06:09:10 PM

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I put them in cells and close the door

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 22, 2014, 06:35:47 PM

I wouldn't take my pet to a kennel if it looked like that, and they are putting human beings in them?  :-\

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2014, 06:43:25 PM

Article plus more pictures:

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-texas-immigrant-children-20140618-story.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 22, 2014, 06:52:01 PM

The United States has a gross domestic product of 17.5 trillion dollars but the Red Cross has to provide aid to immigrants detained by law enforcement. :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 22, 2014, 06:58:30 PM

We need that money for free Americans  :american *

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And Israel

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2014, 06:59:20 PM

Quote from: Karakand on July 22, 2014, 06:52:01 PM

The United States has a gross domestic product of 17.5 trillion dollars but the Red Cross has to provide aid to immigrants detained by law enforcement. :neogaf

At least when Doctors Without Borders show up, they'll be able to get to running water. (Detroit not included)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2014, 07:00:22 PM

They're essentially refugees, given the shit they've run from. I wonder how it'll play out, especially with this in the pipes:

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Regardless of how Congress handles his request for more border resources, President Obama is moving toward a historic—and explosive—executive order that will provide legal status to a significant number of the estimated 11.7 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. One senior White House official says that while "what's happening at the border will provide atmospherics for the [president's] decision," it won't stop him from acting on the undocumented—probably before the midterm elections. The resulting collision over Obama's expected action could lastingly define both the Democratic and Republican parties for the burgeoning Hispanic population.

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The president can't provide them citizenship without action by Congress. But using the same theory of "deferred action" that he employed in 2012 for children brought to the U.S. illegally by their parents, he could apply prosecutorial discretion to allow some groups of the undocumented (such as adults here illegally with children who are U.S. citizens) to obtain work permits and function openly. Though the administration is still debating the reach of Obama's authority, some top immigration advocates hope he could legalize up to half of the undocumented population.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/political-connections/obama-s-immigration-decisions-will-shape-both-parties-for-years-20140718

sounds like a good way to destroy democrats this November lol. Good luck.

I can imagine impeachment hearings started over this, which would be fun.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2014, 08:18:01 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 22, 2014, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 22, 2014, 04:12:10 PM

I keep sing and hearing comments about this shit from people around me and I REALLY, REALLY want to believe they're not bad people and they just lack perspective but fuck it's difficult.  I'm always amazed how some people can just be so ugly to one another.

I'd like to believe that the people who are jubilant about Halbig v Burwell aren't actually evil sociopaths, but a lot of the comments I've seen make me doubt that.

Why do you hate freedom, Shinobi?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2014/07/21/halbig-v-burwell-would-free-more-than-57-million-americans-from-the-acas-individual-employer-mandates/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on July 22, 2014, 08:40:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2014, 07:00:22 PM

They're essentially refugees, given the shit they've run from. I wonder how it'll play out, especially with this in the pipes:

Quote

Regardless of how Congress handles his request for more border resources, President Obama is moving toward a historic—and explosive—executive order that will provide legal status to a significant number of the estimated 11.7 million undocumented immigrants in the U.S. One senior White House official says that while "what's happening at the border will provide atmospherics for the [president's] decision," it won't stop him from acting on the undocumented—probably before the midterm elections. The resulting collision over Obama's expected action could lastingly define both the Democratic and Republican parties for the burgeoning Hispanic population.

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The president can't provide them citizenship without action by Congress. But using the same theory of "deferred action" that he employed in 2012 for children brought to the U.S. illegally by their parents, he could apply prosecutorial discretion to allow some groups of the undocumented (such as adults here illegally with children who are U.S. citizens) to obtain work permits and function openly. Though the administration is still debating the reach of Obama's authority, some top immigration advocates hope he could legalize up to half of the undocumented population.

http://www.nationaljournal.com/political-connections/obama-s-immigration-decisions-will-shape-both-parties-for-years-20140718

sounds like a good way to destroy democrats this November lol. Good luck.

I can imagine impeachment hearings started over this, which would be fun.

I'd love this just to see the hysterics of the right.

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 22, 2014, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 22, 2014, 04:12:10 PM

I keep sing and hearing comments about this shit from people around me and I REALLY, REALLY want to believe they're not bad people and they just lack perspective but fuck it's difficult.  I'm always amazed how some people can just be so ugly to one another.

I'd like to believe that the people who are jubilant about Halbig v Burwell aren't actually evil sociopaths, but a lot of the comments I've seen make me doubt that.

Touché.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: huckleberry on July 22, 2014, 10:44:44 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/qQz2BB3.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2014, 11:18:55 PM

Apparently he doesn't need his intellectual-hipster glasses when he's huntin' for ferriners. Just a backwards cap will do fine, thanks.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 22, 2014, 11:28:54 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2014, 08:18:01 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 22, 2014, 08:08:10 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 22, 2014, 04:12:10 PM

I keep sing and hearing comments about this shit from people around me and I REALLY, REALLY want to believe they're not bad people and they just lack perspective but fuck it's difficult.  I'm always amazed how some people can just be so ugly to one another.

I'd like to believe that the people who are jubilant about Halbig v Burwell aren't actually evil sociopaths, but a lot of the comments I've seen make me doubt that.

Why do you hate freedom, Shinobi?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelcannon/2014/07/21/halbig-v-burwell-would-free-more-than-57-million-americans-from-the-acas-individual-employer-mandates/

Quote

these reports and the ensuing media coverage uniformly neglect to mention that a victory for the Halbig plaintiffs would free not only those plaintiffs but tens of millions of Americans from the PPACA’s individual and employer mandates. Indeed, Halbig would free from potential illegal taxation more than ten times as many people as lose an illegal subsidy.

Oh, well in that case...

Also lol @ the pedantic "well technically their premiums won't rise, they'll just be paying the actual cost of their premium" spiel.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2014, 11:47:03 PM

Request title change to "Our long national nightmare of being able to buy health insurance is over" plz

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2014, 12:02:43 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 22, 2014, 11:47:03 PM

Request title change to "Our long national nightmare of being able to buy health insurance is over" plz

I've still got insurance, I'm not sure what everyone else's problem is. (which also could have been the name of that article)

BUT, but, but just think of the moral hazard it presents for lesser people if they were allowed to live their lives however they want without fear of negative health repercussions from their lifestyle choices. *wrings hands*

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2014, 01:15:10 PM

The puzzling thing is the celebratory way the news was hailed on the far right, as if this is the end of the issue. I can't tell if it's just stupidity or table dressing for more "Obama is ignoring the law!" nonsense when the subsidies continue to flow. Nevermind that the court will rule in the subsidies favor, and it might even be a 9-2 decision. I'm assuming this decision will be referenced for years, oblivious to the fact that the actual court ruled in favor of the law.

I don't see it making it to the Supreme Court until a couple appeals court rules in the plaintiff's favor. Which will be hard given that the 4th circuit ruled in the law's favor, and the DC circuit court will once the full court votes. BTW the media's coverage of this has been atrocious, and highlights the inability to discuss anything with substance or nuance.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2014, 03:46:12 PM

It doesn't shock or offend me at this point. These are people who don't give a shit about anything that gets in the way of their ideaological goals. They would kick millions off affordable healthcare with no backup plan or replacement legislation, just to preserve the status quo.

I take solace in the fact that the ACA isn't going anywhere, and by the time we get to 2016 it'll have 30 million people under it. That won't stop Cruz from demanding repeal but the republicans who fight over the nomination will have to deal with the new reality.

We won't see a repeat of 2007 where 2-3 dem candidates had extensive healthcare plans btw. The GOP doesn't care about legislation. They'll either argue to make the ACA better or repeal it fully.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2014, 05:38:17 PM

speaking of which

Quote

New England Journal Of Medicine: 10.3 Million Uninsured Covered Under Obamacare

More than 10 million uninsured adults obtained health coverage during Obamacare's first open enrollment period, according to a study published on Wednesday by the New England Journal of Medicine.

The study, which included researchers from Harvard University and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, found that the number of uninsured Americans had dropped by 5.2 percentage points by the second quarter of 2014, which corresponds with 10.3 million adults gaining coverage.

The findings track with previous estimates. They also gain found a significant divergence between states that expanded Medicaid under the law and those that did not. The former group's uninsured rate fell by 6 percentage points among the expansion population; the latter's by 3.1 percentage points.

The study's methodology, which can be read in full here, covered survey data from 420,000 adults from January 2012 to June 2014.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/nejm-10-million-uninsured-obamacare

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2014, 10:24:27 PM

I'm sure this wasn't cruel or unusual.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/arizona-inmate-dies-2-hours-later-execution

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2014, 11:20:43 PM

Defend 2-hour executions but condemn women for using the morning after pill, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2014, 11:35:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2014, 11:20:43 PM

Defend 2-hour executions but condemn women for using the morning after pill, brehs.

Typical liberal, can't tell the difference between the same day and the next day.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 24, 2014, 12:26:02 AM

I'd say that we should switch to nitrogen gas, but people need to feel the pain of death. More botched lethal injections for everyone! (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/05/death_by_nitrogen_gas_will_the_new_method_of_execution_save_the_death_penalty.html)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 24, 2014, 12:26:04 AM

Yeah, I don't get that either. A bullet to the back of the head is instant death and pretty much guarenteed. If you insist on the death penalty, then there are a lot of quick sure ways to end someone's life that don't depend on some mysterious concoction.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 01:50:20 AM

I'm thinking: what was so wrong with the guillotine?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 24, 2014, 01:52:35 AM

Families probably don't want the head rolling around in the casket. I'm telling you, nitro is the way to go.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 24, 2014, 02:03:37 AM

What if, like, they just threw the person into a live volcano? Don't even gotta have a funeral or anything doing if that way, very clean and efficient.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 02:10:06 AM

The French kept the guillotine until they eliminated the death penalty apparently. Last used it on somebody in 1977.

Now I'm curious about the roots of its passing and rise of the "humane" death penalty.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 02:27:18 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 02:10:06 AM

The French kept the guillotine until they eliminated the death penalty apparently. Last used it on somebody in 1977.

Now I'm curious about the roots of its passing and rise of the "humane" death penalty.

IIRC, a capital case lawyer was appointed minister of justice under Mitterrand.

Also abolition was part of the PS' 1,000,000,000 point platform to get Mitterrand elected.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 02:35:03 AM

Oh, I meant the passing of the use of the guillotine (and firing squad I suppose) everywhere else, not the abolition of the death penalty.

Just respecting that the French stuck with what they found worked when they had a backlog of state enemies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 24, 2014, 03:23:12 AM

Quote from: helios on July 17, 2014, 08:43:28 PM

Rich people vote in their interests. Why not the poor? (http://www.salon.com/2014/07/16/i_was_poor_but_a_gop_die_hard_how_i_finally_left_the_politics_of_shame/)

Good article; thanks.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 24, 2014, 03:42:53 AM

Quote from: Karakand on July 22, 2014, 12:48:50 PM

Quote from: helios on July 22, 2014, 12:29:32 PM

Why can't we just be ruled by AI?

Well we all know what ending you picked in Deus Ex now.

That, or s/he enjoys Iain M. Banks novels.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 24, 2014, 10:07:32 AM

RIP Iain Banks :(

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 24, 2014, 11:13:36 AM

Last time I did acid I remember looking up american death penalty laws and up until fairly recently (last few decades?) and depending on what state you were in you could have requested how to go. Like firing squad or hanging instead of the needle. I could also be wrong and the trip was way harder than I remember.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:15:09 AM

The Existential Battle for the Soul of the GOP (http://www.nationaljournal.com/washington-inside-out/what-happens-when-extremism-becomes-mainstream-20140723)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 24, 2014, 11:21:46 AM

Quote from: Esch on July 24, 2014, 11:16:56 AM

Quote from: Karakand on July 24, 2014, 01:50:20 AM

I'm thinking: what was so wrong with the guillotine?

Probably blood spurting from an exposed neck and head rrolling. Seems pretty straight though. Knock someone out, then guillotine. How is that not humane?

Putting them to sleep first seems so polite. This actually sounds pleasant!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:22:14 AM

Quote from: Esch on July 24, 2014, 11:16:56 AM

Quote from: Karakand on July 24, 2014, 01:50:20 AM

I'm thinking: what was so wrong with the guillotine?

Probably blood spurting from an exposed neck and head rrolling. Seems pretty straight though. Knock someone out, then guillotine. How is that not humane?

Where do we cheer and is popcorn allowed?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 24, 2014, 11:23:25 AM

Why not just use a pneumatic rod? Efficient, reusable, humane. Works for cows. Of course it shouldn't be a public spectacle, just do it at the prison.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:25:47 AM

I'm scared now.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 24, 2014, 11:26:19 AM

You just took this discussion too far man. Nobody wants to think about that.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:27:56 AM

You've even got Toku freaked out. Look what you've done!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 24, 2014, 11:28:39 AM

Quote from: toku on July 24, 2014, 11:26:19 AM

You just took this discussion too far man. Nobody wants to think about that.

(http://i.minus.com/iX9J0PITLxzw7.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 24, 2014, 11:30:38 AM

I could have gone with a firing squad avatar (http://i.minus.com/iCiInJR6h66lQ.gif)   :-[

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:31:59 AM

Remind me to never click any porn link you ever post.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 24, 2014, 11:32:54 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 24, 2014, 11:31:59 AM

Remind me to never click any porn link you ever post.

I'm actually pretty tame when it comes to porn. Even *IF* I was into some freaky shit I wouldn't post it on a public internet forum.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 11:35:24 AM

Your next avatar should be Kaori being crushed to death in a bloody horror by Tetsuo.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 24, 2014, 11:35:53 AM

Might have to ignore toku just as precaution for such avatars

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on July 24, 2014, 11:39:07 AM

Quote from: Spencer on July 24, 2014, 11:35:53 AM

Might have to ignore toku just as precaution for such avatars

Don't ignore me bb, is this what you want bb?  :-* :-[

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 24, 2014, 11:40:55 AM

At least now ill know I'm clicking on a digital murder scene

spoiler (click to show/hide)

2edgy4me  :(

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 11:44:22 AM

Quote from: Spencer on July 24, 2014, 11:40:55 AM

At least now ill know I'm clicking on a digital murder scene

I used to play synthesizer for Digital Murder Scene.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 01:38:51 PM

I'd never seen this before. :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikMKJwbMQ_M

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 24, 2014, 02:55:38 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/K0p4nNk.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 03:03:48 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 24, 2014, 02:55:38 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/K0p4nNk.gif)

Melissa McCarthy sure is everywhere these days.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2014, 03:21:58 PM

Is that comic set in Texas or Gaza?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 24, 2014, 03:34:04 PM

It could be the Sahara since these people think they rule all of earth.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2014, 03:52:43 PM

The (seemingly) simple act of switching from a NC to a GA plan on the health insurance marketplace is driving me fucking bonkers enough to go to a tea party rally.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 05:30:23 PM

You're not the only one suffering under Obamacare's terror:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/07/24/video-woman-in-labor-not-allowed-to-cross-street-to-hospital-over-obamas-impending-motorcade/

Quote

Witnesses say a pregnant woman in labor was prevented by authorities from crossing a Los Angeles street to a hospital Wednesday because the road had been closed for President Barack Obama’s impending motorcade.

The unidentified woman was barred from walking the few hundred feet to the hospital for at least 30 minutes as authorities waited for the president’s motorcade to pass by, witness Carrie Clifford told TheBlaze early Thursday morning.

“I felt bad for her,” Clifford said. “It does happen when Obama comes to L.A. or I’m sure anywhere else. It paralyzes the city, it does make it complicated.”

“You can’t do the things you had set out to do because the president is in town,” she added.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtREAqSCMAAUmel.jpg)

This is probably the last thing California's House members wanted to see a little over three months from the most important election in American history and with all the polls headed the wrong way.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 05:50:15 PM

Can't tell if that's a troll post. Aren't dems ahead in Cali thanks to the sound leadership of Jerry Brown
:rejoice

it sucks that shit gets shut down but hey, those are the rules when a president comes to town.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 06:06:29 PM

I think this our first House election with newly redrawn districts that aren't gerrymandered to heck, so it's kinda troll, kinda factual.

At the state level doe we're a one-party state for the near future thanks to Moonbeam and years of the CA GOP doing what the national GOP has been doing during the Obama presidency.

Effective state governance. :rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 06:08:16 PM

Jerry Brown 2016  brehs

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:heh

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 06:09:10 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 24, 2014, 03:52:43 PM

The (seemingly) simple act of switching from a NC to a GA plan on the health insurance marketplace is driving me fucking bonkers enough to go to a tea party rally.

Not looking forward to this when I'm in California. What issues are you having?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2014, 06:10:50 PM

When you factor in the Border Crisis, the Obamacare Disaster, Obama's War on Israel and overall weak and demoralizing foreign policy, if they can get enough pro-family candidates there's probably a strong chance the GOP can flip the delegation. Boxer and Feinstein are probably thanking God every day that they aren't up this cycle facing off against a pro-family candidate with a strong foreign policy in favor of border control.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 24, 2014, 06:28:10 PM

Quote from: Spencer on July 24, 2014, 11:23:25 AM

Why not just use a pneumatic rod? Efficient, reusable, humane. Works for cows. Of course it shouldn't be a public spectacle, just do it at the prison.

(http://i.imgur.com/nKLbtYV.jpg)

It's still just a gun. I think there are ways to mess it up, according to some animal rights' activists who report on slaughterhouses.

I also suspect, to some degree, the executioners' psychology must be considered.

Then again, in appropriate cases, I'm fond of the idea of the father or son of a victim getting a chance to gain solid closure.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2014, 07:05:47 PM

Quote

Kashkari says California’s “U-6 unemployment rate” — which includes unemployed people seeking full-time jobs, part-time workers who want full-time jobs and people too discouraged to seek jobs — is more than 16 percent.

Quote

Running against Brown requires discerning silver linings on black clouds. Kashkari says of polls showing Brown leading 52 percent to 32 percent: Well, 100 percent of Californians know who Brown is, so 48 percent are looking for an alternative.

Quote

“If I get Jerry on a debate stage,” Kashkari says, “anything can happen.” That is true, as is this: Goldwater lost 44 states but won the future. His conservative cadre captured the GOP, which won five of the next six and seven of the next 10 presidential elections. If California becomes a purple state and Democrats can no longer assume its 20 percent of 270 electoral votes, Republicans nationwide will be indebted to the immigrants’ son who plucked up Goldwater’s banner of conservatism with a Western libertarian flavor.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-will-neel-kashkari-gop-candidate-in-california-has-agenda-similar-to-goldwaters/2014/07/23/65464542-11d0-11e4-8936-26932bcfd6ed_story.html?tid=pm_opinions_pop

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2014, 07:13:26 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on July 24, 2014, 06:09:10 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 24, 2014, 03:52:43 PM

The (seemingly) simple act of switching from a NC to a GA plan on the health insurance marketplace is driving me fucking bonkers enough to go to a tea party rally.

Not looking forward to this when I'm in California. What issues are you having?

You should be fine, because Cali runs their own exchange. I'm fucked because from what I can tell, I had TWO qualifying events happen in late May that kicked me back into the exchange- I moved to a different state and got a raise. If I had just moved and kept the same pay rate, I would have been fine I think. But, making more money means I qualify for less of a subsidy, and for whatever reason they couldn't just take my fucking word for it on my pay rate- they needed to see some documentation. Well, problem is that I work for a small company and don't get paychecks per se- I get direct deposit every couple of weeks directly into my account. So, no paper trail there. That meant my boss had to fill out a letter and sign it, which took him 3 weeks to get done, because he's kind of forgetful, then I had to send the letter into them and they had to process it, which has taken them a fucking month.

Meanwhile, I can't get a straight answer on whether or not if I sign up for a GA plan and just start paying on it now, and they process my letter and I DO qualify for a subsidy, will the subsidy kick in and apply towards future premiums? You would think that would be a simple "yes" but apparently not, so much that I am hesitant to sign up for anything and fuck myself out of a subsidy.

TL;DR version:

:piss gubmint bureaucracy :piss2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on July 24, 2014, 07:18:44 PM

::)

Sounds like a bitch. I've had my issues with healthcare recently as well but nothing like that. I tried to get a refill on a medicine but they said my insurance felt it was "too soon" for a refill, despite running out of meds, and they couldn't allow me to get a new refill until August 15. So I had to pay 60 dollars cash without insurance for a 30 day supply. :snoop

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 07:28:44 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 24, 2014, 07:13:26 PM

Well, problem is that I work for a small company and don't get paychecks per se- I get direct deposit every couple of weeks directly into my account. So, no paper trail there. That meant my boss had to fill out a letter and sign it, which took him 3 weeks to get done, because he's kind of forgetful, then I had to send the letter into them and they had to process it, which has taken them a fucking month.

There's still a paper trail on the end of whoever processes your payroll. If it's an outside processor like Paychex they send pay period reports to the employer every pay period, and if it's done in house with something like QuickBooks you just open a report and print it. You got done dirty breh. :(

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2014, 10:53:21 PM

Quote from: Karakand on July 24, 2014, 07:28:44 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on July 24, 2014, 07:13:26 PM

Well, problem is that I work for a small company and don't get paychecks per se- I get direct deposit every couple of weeks directly into my account. So, no paper trail there. That meant my boss had to fill out a letter and sign it, which took him 3 weeks to get done, because he's kind of forgetful, then I had to send the letter into them and they had to process it, which has taken them a fucking month.

There's still a paper trail on the end of whoever processes your payroll. If it's an outside processor like Paychex they send pay period reports to the employer every pay period, and if it's done in house with something like QuickBooks you just open a report and print it. You got done dirty breh. :(

I do the payroll manually- send out direct deposits every two weeks. It's all done on a spreadsheet, not even quickbooks. Trust me, we're talking stone age here. There's no real paper trail, it's just me sending myself a direct deposit every couple of weeks for the hours I've worked...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 24, 2014, 11:36:01 PM

:heh and I thought Hobby Lobby lived in the stone age.

Who files your 940s and 941s? Or do I even want to know?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2014, 11:37:39 PM

Quote from: Karakand on July 24, 2014, 11:36:01 PM

:heh and I thought Hobby Lobby lived in the stone age.

Who files your 940s and 941s? Or do I even want to know?

We have an accountant, and I have recently been saddled with running everything through quickbooks. I'm having a rough time of it currently :P

I could set up payroll through quickbooks, but I'm busy trying to figure out how to get our fucking paypal account to act as a revenue account and not as a bank account. (harder than it should be)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 25, 2014, 12:01:47 AM

Are you new to QuickBooks? I'm having to bleed an intern on it of late and I'd forgotten how unintuitive (:teehee) Intuit's products can be to a noob.

I use GNUCash for my own books and it's a piece of fucking shit in comparison.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2014, 12:42:14 AM

Yeah, I took one QB class in college, and it was just basic stuff. I'm just going to spend a day or two annoying someone at tech support when I get back in town next week.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 25, 2014, 10:15:56 AM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on July 24, 2014, 09:07:54 PM

I swear the people celebrating Halbig see themselves as the heroes in some fantasy story where in the end the evil sorcerer is defeated by his own spell, or some nonsense like that. When in reality their side is very clearly playing semantic games with the health insurance of millions of people.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/gop-halbig-punitive-damage-soviet-communism

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2014, 10:22:27 AM

The unavoidable death of the Republican party really can't come soon enough.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 02:40:00 PM

The OG is back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgeeXlLyKvM

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 02:58:02 PM

Consolidating social welfare programs seems like an interesting idea...but it's also a good way to make it easier to eliminate welfare - instead of dealing with multiple programs you just lower the budget of one big program and watch it fail. Sounds like a republican dream.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 03:50:01 PM

When's the last time the Republicans have lowered the budget of "one big program"?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 03:57:20 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 03:50:01 PM

When's the last time the Republicans have lowered the budget of "one big program"?

does the state department count?
:trollbron:

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 25, 2014, 04:06:21 PM

SNAP :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 04:13:37 PM

Wow, the State Department spends six times as much as it did in 1999. Are they handling parts of Medicare?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 04:31:31 PM

Meh.  Govt spending's been trending down as a percentage of GDP the last 4-5 years, so somebody's cutting something.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 04:35:25 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 04:31:31 PM

Meh.  Govt spending's been trending down as a percentage of GDP the last 4-5 years, so somebody's cutting something.

:obama

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not really but I still love being able to tell outraged conservatives that Barry O has cut the deficit in half

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 04:39:13 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 04:31:31 PM

Meh.  Govt spending's been trending down as a percentage of GDP the last 4-5 years, so somebody's cutting something.

*comment about assumptions in this*
*Mandark thoughtful response*
*benji garbage*
*Mandark response*
*benji forgets and comes back to the tab 300 turns of Civ V later*

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

I'm pretty sure you used nominal figures in that crack about the State Department, so you don't wanna go bringing up what lurks beneath the stats.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 04:44:41 PM

It was all the government provided in their agency breakdown spreadsheet for some reason.

(http://i.imgur.com/YTG2PZC.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 04:55:26 PM

Another thing I like about the Ryan plan (and also reminds me of casual conservative hypocrisy) is the use of caseworkers to help the transition/inform people of their benefits. Yet Ryan and republicans tried to dismantle a similar initiative in the ACA concerning "health navigators" who were meant to explain the law to people. Helping people take advantage of what they're qualified for has always been labeled as helping poor people take advantage of the government/tax payer. But thank god Paul Ryan is here to conservasplain it!

Quote from: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 04:40:25 PM

I'm pretty sure you used nominal figures in that crack about the State Department, so you don't wanna go bringing up what lurks beneath the stats.

this gave me Bell Curve argument flashbacks.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 05:05:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 04:55:26 PM

this gave me Bell Curve argument flashbacks.

There was an argument over the curve of Stringer Bell's penis?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 05:15:16 PM

Well, the phrase "mixed-gender stairwells" is now part of my life.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 05:20:26 PM

Quote from: Esch on July 25, 2014, 05:12:29 PM

For Benji:

Reason/Libertarians annihilated :fbm

http://pando.com/2014/07/18/homophobia-racism-and-the-kochs-san-franciscos-tech-libertarian-reboot-conference-is-a-cesspool/

We aren't supposed to call them Orientals anymore?

I didn't know Reason's entire archives weren't online, they link to a lot of old articles.

EDIT: Oh, they must be in PDF form or something, here's one of the articles mentioned:
http://cloudfront-assets.reason.com/assets/db/pages-from-reason_december-1980.pdf

EDIT2: Oh, maybe that was just uploaded as part of Welch's defense: http://reason.com/blog/2014/07/19/reason-spuriously-accused-by-conspiracy

EDIT3: Oh, the covers 1994-2000 are ugly: http://www.unz.org/Pub/Reason Looks like a shitty PC magazine from that era.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 05:57:51 PM

That's actually a cool link, I love revisionist history. Ames made it sound like all Holocaust Denial in the magazine at first, but that's only one of the articles.

Think it's really important to the field too, but whatevs, hobby horse alert.

Even better is the ad for the book on how to form my own corporation without lawyers for UNDER FIFTY DOLLARS.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on July 25, 2014, 05:58:35 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/intensely-awkward-congressional-hearing (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/intensely-awkward-congressional-hearing)

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 06:13:37 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 25, 2014, 05:58:35 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/intensely-awkward-congressional-hearing (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/intensely-awkward-congressional-hearing)

 :kobeyuck

Now THAT is a cactivity.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 06:16:20 PM

Quote

including describing me  (apparently without irony) as an “anti-libertarian conspiracy theorist.”

Oh, now I remember where I've seen Mark Ames name before:
http://exiledonline.com/betsy-mccaughey-wants-to-kill-americans-on-behalf-of-her-plutocrat-friends-but-are-americans-too-slave-like-to-defend-themselves/
http://exiledonline.com/anatomy-of-a-libertard/
http://www.nypress.com/article-21163-fraudonomics.html
http://www.thenation.com/article/156647/tsastroturf-washington-lobbyists-and-koch-funded-libertarians-behind-tsa-scandal
http://www.salon.com/2010/11/24/tyner/

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He's a PoliGAF poster. :trollbron

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 06:49:31 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 25, 2014, 05:15:16 PM

Well, the phrase "mixed-gender stairwells" is now part of my life.

I bet the female stairwells really focus on the fundamentals of stair climbing, feature less flash, and are more keen to accept good coaching.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 06:50:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 06:49:31 PM

I bet the female stairwells really focus on the fundamentals of stair climbing, feature less flash, and are more keen to accept good coaching.

That's why nobody takes them.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 25, 2014, 10:21:57 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 25, 2014, 10:15:56 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/gop-halbig-punitive-damage-soviet-communism

Quote

There’s a name for this strategy, and it doesn’t come from the Heritage Foundation (although the individual mandate did). It comes from Soviet Communism: “heighten the contradictions.” The idea is to root for, and even enable, bad outcomes of your ideological opponents’ power, in the hopes that these bad outcomes will convince people to rise up against your opponents. It’s a grim way to look at the world, but here we are.

I wish I knew where this meme originated from. I think it might be misreading of the (fundamental) difference of opinion that drove reformists and revsocs apart? Peaceful Coexistence? Socialism in One Country?

"Accelerationist" (a person who advocates "heightening the contradictions") is pervasively an epithet. I bet it isn't even a recognized tendency on RevLeft.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 10:52:35 PM

Came across this from Lenin, but it's not really the same thing:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1897/dec/31c.htm

Quote

We may now sum up the results of our comparisons. Let us endeavour to give a brief description of the relationship in which each of the trends of social thought enumerated in the sub-title stands to the others.

The enlightener believes in the present course of social development, because he fails to observe its inherent contradictions. The Narodnik fears the present course of social development, because he is already aware of these contradictions. The “disciple” believes in the present course of social development, because he sees the only earnest of a better future in the full development of these contradictions. The first and last trends therefore strive to support, accelerate, facilitate development along the present path, to remove all obstacles which hamper this development and distinguished mentally-challenged fellow it. Narodism, on the contrary, strives to distinguished mentally-challenged fellow and halt this development, is afraid of abolishing certain obstacles to the development of capitalism.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 10:54:28 PM

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/white-house-wants-repeal-of-iraq-war-authorization/ (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/white-house-wants-repeal-of-iraq-war-authorization/)
Rice's letter: http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/3989-Boehner.pdf (http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/3989-Boehner.pdf)

Quote

The Obama administration is calling on Congress to fully repeal the war authorization in Iraq to ensure that no U.S. troops return to the country, which is under siege by the extremist Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL or ISIS).

White House national security adviser Susan Rice petitioned Speaker of the House John Boehner (R., Ohio) in a letter Friday to completely repeal the war authorization, officially known as the Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq, or AUMF.

Rice’s letter was sent as Congress just hours before it approved a resolution opposing U.S. military intervention in Iraq, where the terrorist group ISIL claims to have established an Islamic caliphate.

“We believe a more appropriate and timely action for Congress to take is the repeal of the outdated 2002 Authorization for Use of Military Force in Iraq,” Rice wrote, according to a copy of her letter obtained by the Washington Free Beacon.

“With American combat troops having completed their withdrawal from Iraq on December 18, 2011, the Iraq AUMF is no longer used for any U.S. government activities and the administration fully supports its repeal,” Rice wrote. “Such a repeal would go much further in giving the American people confidence that ground forces will not be sent into combat in Iraq.”

...

"When Speaker Boehner told me about Ms. Rice’s letter, I thought he was joking,” said Rep. Buck McKeon (R., Calif.), chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, in a statement.

“Obama Administration officials are warning us daily that the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) is ‘worse than al-Qaeda’ and an extreme threat to the American people,” McKeon said. “The American people aren’t worried that the president will send the military back to Iraq. They’re worried about a deadly terrorist state that can hit us from Wall Street to Main Street. They’re worried that this president refuses to do anything, at anytime, in any way, to stop the flood of national security crises that are popping up around the globe.”

The Senate has sought several times in the past years to reconsider the AUMFs pertaining to Iraq and Afghanistan as both wars winded down.

Senate Democrats have expressed a willingness to repeal the Iraq AUMF, a move that critics say would be dangerous to the United States’ ongoing fight against terror.

A repeal of the war authority could also be a boon for ISIL and would send a clear sign that the United States is not willing to stop the militant group from making gains.

“There is no strong reason to change the AUMF,” John Yoo, a former deputy assistant attorney general in the Bush administration, told the Free Beacon earlier this year, when the Senate was considering altering the AUMFs. “Over the last 13 years, all three branches have constructed a common understanding and series of practices around the AUMF in fighting the war on terror.”

“You break the dam to some extent if you break the AUMF,” a senior Senate aide also said at the time.

Congress should “tread carefully because the war on terror is not over and won’t be soon,” the source said. “You could start us down a path of repeal that you can’t turn back.”

“This isn’t just absurd. We’re past absurd. This is dangerous,” said Rep. McKeon. “This administration is fiddling while the world burns, and now they’re demanding Congress play with them.”

:usacry

 :piss John Yoo :piss2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 11:01:18 PM

Just think, he just might get a cabinet position in the next republican administration.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2014, 11:10:28 PM

I certainly hope President Walker considers him when assembling his team to restore a strong American foreign policy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 25, 2014, 11:51:09 PM

Sorry Benji, I did 8 hours of tax law crash course today. I am NOT reading any Lenin.

Speaking of, did you know if your employer gives you a holiday meat (e.g. turkey at Thanksgiving) it's NOT considered a taxable fringe benefit. Like this is an explicit matter of tax. I'm morbidly tempted to go find the part of Title 26 or the tax court case that decided it because it's absolute nonsense that this is even something I need to know.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2014, 12:22:41 AM

I was under the impression that employers giving you holiday meat was sexual harassment.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2014, 12:28:15 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2014, 11:01:18 PM

Just think, he just might get a cabinet position in the next republican administration.

He'd be the best Secretary of War Crimes we ever had.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2014, 12:42:00 AM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/executioner-enters-lethal-injection-room-with-bag,36546/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2014, 12:43:56 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2014, 12:22:41 AM

I was under the impression that employers giving you holiday meat was sexual harassment.

i KNEW some borean was gonna make this kind of statement

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2014, 12:46:21 AM

Quote from: Karakand on July 26, 2014, 12:43:56 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2014, 12:22:41 AM

I was under the impression that employers giving you holiday meat was sexual harassment.

i KNEW some borean was gonna make this kind of statement

I'm a black dude in corporate America, gotta watch out for HR like the eye of Sauron.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2014, 02:10:20 AM

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Many employers give employees birthday or holiday gifts. These gifts take a variety of forms including a turkey, a ham, a gift basket, or a coupon to purchase a turkey or a ham at a local grocery store. In recent years, the gift card has been a popular alternative because it provides employees with more choices and greater convenience. Some employers believe that gift cards are not taxable and qualify as excludable from income as a de minimis fringe benefit because they meet the example of “traditional birthday or holidays gifts of low fair market value”, or because they are non-negotiable (restricted to only certain items; the redemption time is limited; and any unused portion is forfeited). However, Federal tax law does not view giving an employee a turkey or a ham as the equivalent of giving an employee a gift card to purchase a turkey or a ham. A recently issued Tax Advice Memorandum (TAM) in 2004 clarifies the tax law and discusses this issue.

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-tege/p_4090_fed_0305_text.pdf

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2014, 12:51:23 PM

look at this fucking cac:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJUH_VGZ7j4

Quote

Our nation has come a long way since the Civil Rights Movement. But we must realize that race still plays a role in the enforcement of the law.

Just ask Raliek, Daequon, and Wan’Tauhjs, who were just standing on a street corner when a policeman arrived and told them to move on or be arrested.

What was their crime?

I guess it was: “Waiting While Black”

The boys explained that they were waiting for a school bus to take them to their game. They were handcuffed and taken to jail.

Anyone who thinks that race does not still, even if inadvertently, skew the application of criminal justice is just not paying close enough attention.

Whether you are a minority because of the color of your skin or by virtue of your political or religious persuasion, it is imperative to restrain the power of the majority, to restrain the power of government.

Patrick Henry understood this when he wrote that the Constitution was intended to restrain the government, not the people.

full thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgfsoYpI59E

lost my primary vote for using "beg the question" wrong  :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2014, 12:57:04 PM

This is a Cacenstein of our own creation; why did we allow the Internet to take Ron Paul seriously?  :'(

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2014, 01:03:43 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2014, 12:57:04 PM

This is a Cacenstein of our own creation; why did we allow the Internet to take Ron Paul seriously?  :'(

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/708/993/8ef.jpg)

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(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/715/674/dfa.jpg)

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2014, 01:20:13 PM

I saw some crowing on my twitter feed about "Rand Paul compares himself to minorities" but in the context of the video...I see no problem in the comment.

too bad he's a fucking idiot on every other issue outside of civil liberties and (some) foreign policy
 :-\

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2014, 08:47:35 PM

More fun tax nonsense: apparently businesspeople can deduct $ 2,000 they paid to attend a business conference held on a cruise ship (with some documentation requirements). Only on a cruise ship, mind.

It's already stupid that I have to know this, but it's even stupider that I have to know that the cruise ship has to be one that flies under an American flag. :american (In case you don't understand why this is a bizarre requirement: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience.)

The individual tax code is so fucking stupid. Can't wait to return to the warm embrace of legal entities again. If corporations are people my friends, maybe one can love me. :uguu

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2014, 10:52:37 PM

I wonder if that has anything to do with the Jones Act.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 26, 2014, 11:18:20 PM

All of the cruise ship's port(s) of call have to be U.S. ports (another fun thing I have to remember for something utterly irrelevant), so I imagine it could very well be ben.

It's also easier to extract compliance from entities with U.S. tax homes.

e: It could also just be tax code welfare for domestic industry. There's lots of that in the IRC too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 27, 2014, 02:17:55 AM

True Blood has become real life.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2014, 04:48:31 AM

Some 1920's era KKK sections essentially enacted a non-aggression treaty with blacks because the drunks, Irish, Catholics, Irish, immigrants, Irish, and loose women were more of an immediate problem. As bad as the blacks are, they couldn't hide among the respectable races as easily and at least they're Americans.

The fact that they were low black population areas in the Midwest made it easier obviously.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2014, 12:11:48 PM

Quote from: Esch on July 27, 2014, 02:09:50 AM

http://www.dallasblack.com/communityChannel/kkk-reaches-african-american-community-fight-illegal-immigration

this cant be life :dead

(http://itstailtime.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/dd112-ozymandiasdidit.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: nachobro on July 27, 2014, 01:33:18 PM

Quote

“I mean, we can’t tell who lives in a house, whether they’re black, white, Mexican, gay, we can’t tell that. And if you were to look at somebody’s house like that, that means you’d be pretty much a racist,” the KKK leader said.

:what

 :sabu

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2014, 02:31:07 PM

KKK: "Why do all these racists keep sucking my cock?"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 27, 2014, 06:12:38 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28509979

You used to be able to dismiss out of hand stories like this as being :hans1, but post-Libor scandal I just can't.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2014, 09:14:45 AM

Quote

The Sarah Palin Channel, described in its formative stages as "a video version of her Facebook page," costs $9.95 per month or $99.95 for a yearly subscription through Tapp

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2014, 09:23:07 AM

Still rather have that than The Longhorn Network.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 28, 2014, 09:12:43 PM

Um...question.

If Obama's (and his allies') original plan was to intentionally keep subsidies limited to state exchanges because, according to Gruber, doing so would force Republicans in those states to cooperate under threat of losing millions/billions in subsidies....

...then why the hell are Obama and the Dems disputing the DC ruling against the subsidies?! I mean, if this was the original plan, then everything's going according to plan, isn't it?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2014, 12:37:06 AM

This one was good too:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/07/26/moore-of-the-same/

Accuracy is hard.  :'(

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2014, 12:54:01 AM

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The end of Dr. Krugman's essay really makes the point. We are nowhere near as broken as things are made out to be, if only we actually decide to do the right thing and work together to make decent, common sense improvements happen for the good of the people, and our collective future. This is sadly so rare today, that it is almost radical in it's declaration - yet it was not at all uncommon not too long back in this country.

The great Radical Right Turn in this country has done astonishing damage to the country, as to getting even the most simple, and obvious things done. Consider the confusion, social mistrust, and distrust of basic government and other institutions that has been injected into and deliberately cultivated in the Public Space in this country.

The people, our collective reason, good will, common sense, and the judicious use of the tools of government are what we have to work with to implement change, improve ourselves, and carve out a future for our children to inherit. Unfortunately, we have almost forgotten that. In the mistaken fear that we sometimes get it wrong, or need to redirect and fine-tune our efforts, we have instead largely chosen to mistrust all government, and directly do nothing... to fiddle while the country burns - simply because we have been told that almost anything else government can do for us will only make it worse.

It is past time to make government work for us again! We need to end the government hating hostage crisis.

:jawalrus

How's that pension fund? Teachers still upset about skipped payments? (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 29, 2014, 01:10:21 AM

The guy behind the "looters and moochers" quote posted a response to Krugman's piece, including this bit (https://danieljmitchell.wordpress.com/2014/07/25/krugmans-gotcha-moment-leaves-something-to-be-desired/):

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You can rape and pillage upper-income taxpayers in the short run

He then basically argues that the rich in Cali are going to go Galt, only this time the Gulch will be in Texas.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on July 29, 2014, 01:27:52 AM

Also, too:

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Second, I don’t particularly care whether the state has a budget surplus. I care about the size of government.

See, there we go.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2014, 01:31:44 AM

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cynthia curran
Well, I’m not a libertarian in fact the right wing that complains the most against illegal imitation never considers that Texas is number 2. Demograher Steven Murdock has mention that Texas white enrollment has dropped about 500,000 and Hispanics increase by milion. A lot of the state mirgrantion to Texas isn’t middle to upper middle class whites from Orange County. Its more likley lower income Hispanics moving from places like La and Santa Ana in Orange County to San Antonio or one of the oil boom towns. How do I know well Texas last year actaully gain in total more Hispanics than even larger California which means lots of Hispanics are leaving the Golden Stae for cheaper Texas along with the fact that Hispanics in Texas are at 29 years old versus 41 for whites. Texas is not the paradise that Libertarians and right-wing religious Christians think. It is aleady 38 percent Hispanic similar to California and Texas Mexicans have a poverty rate around 24 percent versus about 9 percent for whites. Conservatives and Libertarians are ignoring that even if 500,000 illegal immigrant Mexicans left Texas its going to be more Mexican than white. Murdock states the state will lose about 6,000 in its GNP has it converts from white to Mexican. We have already seen this happen to California and to New Mexico. In fact for Libertarians and conservatives I would pick Utah why, a lot less Hispanics for one thing. Granted, job growth is probably not as fast as Texas but its not going to changed as much in demograhics and its one of the few white Conservative states out there and has a lot less people on the dole than Texas. Texas has lot of welfare in the large cities which have both Mexicans and blacks like Houston and Dallas and the Rio Grande area which is over 90 percent Mexican.Poverty rate Utah 12 percent versus almost 18 percent for Texas and cost of living is not much higher in Utah.

BOOM. BUSTED.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 29, 2014, 01:35:42 AM

I emailed about a place in Santa Ana. (The part they're gentrifying, naturally. :hitler)

Quote from: Esch on July 29, 2014, 12:12:27 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/25/opinion/paul-krugman-california-tax-left-coast-rising.html?_r=0

can't wait for california to be crushed by immigration (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

The death of white minority rule in California has been great.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2014, 03:45:36 AM

http://thesatanictemple.com/campaigns/medical-info/

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In a statement, the Satanic Temple said that it will use the Supreme Court’s recent Hobby Lobby decision to exempt its believers from state-mandated informed consent laws that require women considering abortions to read pro-life material.

Informed consent or “right to know” laws state that women seeking elective abortions be provided with information about alternatives to the procedure, often couched in language that attempts to personify the fetus. According to the Guttmacher Institute, 35 states currently have informed consent laws, and of those, 33 require that the woman be told the gestational age of the fetus.

In some states, that information consists of pro-life propaganda that links abortion to a higher incidence of breast and ovarian cancers, or discusses “post-abortion syndrome,” a mental condition not recognized by any major medical or psychiatric organization.

Because the Satanic Temple bases its belief “regarding personal health…on the best scientific understanding of the world, regardless of the religious or political beliefs of others,” it claims that state-mandated information with no basis in scientific fact violates its “religious” beliefs.

Spokesperson Lucien Greaves said that the Supreme Court’s recent Hobby Lobby decision bolsters their case. “While we feel we have a strong case for an exemption regardless of the Hobby Lobby ruling,” he said, “the Supreme Court has decided that religious beliefs are so sacrosanct that they can even trump scientific fact. This was made clear when they allowed Hobby Lobby to claim certain contraceptives were abortifacients, which in fact they are not.”

The Satanic Temple set up a website where women seeking an abortion can print out a letter for her healthcare provider explaining why she is exempt from informed consent mandates.

The letter reads that “[a]ll women who share our deeply held belief that their personal choices should be made with access to the best available information, undiluted by biased or false information, are free to seek protection with this exemption whether they are members of the Satanic Temple or not.”

can't tell if demonic or not, friends

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on July 29, 2014, 07:27:21 AM

The Satanic Temple is doing the Lord's work :rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2014, 11:26:30 AM

Funny, you would think that starting an illegal unnecessary war and wasting 1.5 trillion dollars to create an unstable vacuum in the Middle East would create a "trend line" that is...bad and will impact the country for years. Years more than any action or inaction on the Obama admin's part over the last 6 years.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2014, 12:00:55 PM

Not trying to cape for Obama but come on. What exactly about a "clear US message" would stop Egypt from having turmoil, Putin from making a miscalculation on Ukraine, Iran from securing nukes, or Palestinians from firing rockets at innocent Jews.

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daps from AIPAC come with $5.
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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 29, 2014, 12:22:24 PM

Everyone has their price.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 12:35:24 PM

Quote from: Esch on July 29, 2014, 10:53:44 AM

http://www.newsmax.com/t/#ArticleID=585296&SectionID=1


Hillary going to work on Obama already huh :hitler

Kind of a misleading headline there, since it focused solely on one very specific thing that Bush did that was actually good.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 12:54:01 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/alabama-officials-pray-for-coal

Two Alabama officials on Monday asked residents to pray that the state can help block the Environmental Protection Agency's new regulations on carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, AL.com reported.

Public Service Commission President Twinkle Andress Cavanaugh (pictured above) slammed the new regulations.

"We will not stand for what they are doing to our way of life in Alabama," she said during a press conference at the Alabama Coal Association.

Later in the conference, Cavanaugh asked residents to pray for the state.

"I hope all the citizens of Alabama will be in prayer that the right thing will be done," she said.

Cavanaugh, along with other Alabama officials, will testify at an EPA hearing on the regulations in Atlanta on Tuesday.

PSC commissioner-elect Chip Beeker said that Alabama's coal was created by God and charged that the government shouldn't interfere with God's plan, according to AL.com.

"Who has the right to take what God's given a state?" he asked.

According to Right Wing Watch, the Public Service Commission began a meeting on power rates last year with a prayer against same-sex marriage.

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 02:01:46 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reaganbook-facebook-for-patriots

The president of conservative pro-family group Faith2Action last weekend announced the pre-launch of ReaganBook, a social networking site described as "the Facebook for patriots," according to Right Wing Watch.

Faith2Action President Janet Porter told attendees at the Ohio Liberty Coalition's "Reload 4 Liberty" event that Facebook has been censoring people like anti-gay activist Peter LaBarbera.

Porter lamented that "while tomorrow Facebook employees are gathering to go march at the gay pride parade in San Francisco," they are censoring people with "unpopular opinions."

She then described ReaganBook as a social network that tears down walls like President Reagan.

“We’re tearing down walls of tyranny and censorship," she said.

I'm dying here! :rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 29, 2014, 02:04:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/RIrweho.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 29, 2014, 02:20:51 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 12:54:01 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/alabama-officials-pray-for-coal

Two Alabama officials on Monday asked residents to pray that the state can help block the Environmental Protection Agency's new regulations on carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, AL.com reported.

Public Service Commission President Twinkle Andress Cavanaugh (pictured above) slammed the new regulations.

"We will not stand for what they are doing to our way of life in Alabama," she said during a press conference at the Alabama Coal Association.

Later in the conference, Cavanaugh asked residents to pray for the state.

"I hope all the citizens of Alabama will be in prayer that the right thing will be done," she said.

Cavanaugh, along with other Alabama officials, will testify at an EPA hearing on the regulations in Atlanta on Tuesday.

PSC commissioner-elect Chip Beeker said that Alabama's coal was created by God and charged that the government shouldn't interfere with God's plan, according to AL.com.

"Who has the right to take what God's given a state?" he asked.

According to Right Wing Watch, the Public Service Commission began a meeting on power rates last year with a prayer against same-sex marriage.

:heh

:heh :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2014, 02:21:14 PM

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"Who has the right to take what God's given a state?" he asked.

I dunno, maybe you should ask the Native Americans.  :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2014, 05:06:01 PM

We'll make our own Facebook, with Ronald Reagan and gay-bashing. In fact, forget the Facebook.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2014, 05:08:47 PM

http://reaganbook.com/Bathtime4Bonzo/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on July 29, 2014, 06:15:09 PM

Didn't this already exist in the form of The Tea Party Community or something like that?  ???

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 29, 2014, 06:16:04 PM

Conservatives can only do this if they do it before everyone else. (Freep is just Reddit with less features. :trollbron)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on July 29, 2014, 06:27:07 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 12:54:01 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/alabama-officials-pray-for-coal

Two Alabama officials on Monday asked residents to pray that the state can help block the Environmental Protection Agency's new regulations on carbon emissions from coal-fired power plants, AL.com reported.

Public Service Commission President Twinkle Andress Cavanaugh (pictured above) slammed the new regulations.

"We will not stand for what they are doing to our way of life in Alabama," she said during a press conference at the Alabama Coal Association.

Later in the conference, Cavanaugh asked residents to pray for the state.

"I hope all the citizens of Alabama will be in prayer that the right thing will be done," she said.

Cavanaugh, along with other Alabama officials, will testify at an EPA hearing on the regulations in Atlanta on Tuesday.

PSC commissioner-elect Chip Beeker said that Alabama's coal was created by God and charged that the government shouldn't interfere with God's plan, according to AL.com.

"Who has the right to take what God's given a state?" he asked.

According to Right Wing Watch, the Public Service Commission began a meeting on power rates last year with a prayer against same-sex marriage.

:heh

This reminds me of the lead villain's plan from Raylan, season 2. That was a pretty sweet villain.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2014, 07:48:18 PM

Quote from: Esch on July 29, 2014, 05:00:07 PM

No

fucking

way :rofl

http://www.mediaite.com/online/there-is-a-new-conservative-version-of-facebook-called-reaganbook/

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2014, 02:01:46 PM

I'm dying here! :rofl

http://www.redstatedate.com/
http://www.conservativesonly.com/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 29, 2014, 07:54:19 PM

grover norquist is going to burning man

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2014, 08:23:43 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 29, 2014, 07:54:19 PM

grover norquist is going to burning man

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Is he going to be the man?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 29, 2014, 08:26:57 PM

So ReaganBook is quickly becoming the best site to get all of your porn needs. Too bad it's slow

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2014, 01:18:46 AM

I was reading about Andrew Mellon because he's a character in Boardwalk Empire no judge pls and in particular his "scientific taxation" which in some respects is an intellectual precedent of our current supply side taxation philosophy in that it rested on lower top tax rates to collect more revenue.

It's surreal to me how far we've come that a child of privilege Republican politician thought tax policy "must lessen, so far as possible, the burden of taxation on those least able to bear it" and actually believed earned income should receive preference over unearned income (investment income) in the tax code. This is not the case at all, currently, in case you're unfamiliar with the current individual tax system.

http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/ArtWeb/1D6628F544D4A43C85256EE0004D414D

:bow TaxAnalysts

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 30, 2014, 09:21:33 AM

Just started watching Boardwalk Empire. Up to ep.5. It's funny to see the annoyance at democrat meddling in a perfectly rigged system.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2014, 09:32:02 AM

http://thesarahpalinchannel.com/

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 30, 2014, 12:40:10 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2014, 09:32:02 AM

http://thesarahpalinchannel.com/

:rofl

I was listening to the BBC world news podcast, and the announcement of said channel was their 'lighter side of the news' segment for that episode, they played a greatest hits roll of her malapropisms, good times.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2014, 05:26:42 PM

Quote from: Zero Hero on July 30, 2014, 09:21:33 AM

Just started watching Boardwalk Empire. Up to ep.5. It's funny to see the annoyance at democrat meddling in a perfectly rigged system.

I really like the politics as a balancing of social interests dynamic in season 1.

e: And as someone who works in taxation, it cracks me the hell up whenever the fuzz nick someone and shout "BUREAU OF INTERNAL REVENUE, YOU'RE UNDER ARREST."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 08:07:25 PM

So now he's trying to ration my hating? Who is he to tell me when I can and can't hate?

Literal tyrant.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2014, 08:10:48 PM

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The United States economy rebounded heartily in the spring after a dismal winter, the Commerce Department reported on Wednesday, growing at an annual rate of 4 percent from April through June and surpassing economists’ expecations.

In its initial estimate for the second quarter, the government cited a major advance in inventories for private businesses, higher government spending at the state and local level and personal consumption spending as chief contributors to growth. Economists, who had been hoping for a full reversal of the first quarter’s decline, were cheered by the second quarter’s numbers. The consensus forecast for G.D.P. was 3 percent.

“Fantastic,” Douglas Handler, chief United States economist for IHS Global Insight Analysis, said of the second-quarter G.D.P. increase. The bigger-than-expected gain further cemented views that the decrease in America’s overall output during the first quarter was most likely a fluke tied in large part to unusually stormy winter weather and other anomalies. Any dip in gross domestic product outside an official recession is considered rare.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/business/economy/us-economy-grew-4-in-second-quarter.html

Entire cities were virtually shut down for months during last winter, the GDP crash shouldn't have been surprising to anyone who wasn't playing politics.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 08:22:31 PM

Why are economic/job/etc. reports always "unexpected"? (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2014, 08:54:44 PM

The anarchy of production. (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 30, 2014, 09:29:39 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/MpJv4Vi.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 30, 2014, 09:41:35 PM

Obama looks so much more interesting than Reagan ever was in that photo. God, Reagan was one ugly motherfucker.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 09:51:31 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 30, 2014, 09:41:35 PM

God, Reagan was one ugly motherfucker.

(http://antville.org/static/tiny/images/rr2.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 30, 2014, 10:45:49 PM

Young John McCain, on the other hand, was surprisingly hot.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 30, 2014, 10:51:32 PM

John Kerry has movie star looks, as long as that movie star is Harry Dean Stanton.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 30, 2014, 10:51:58 PM

Young John McCain looks like Tom Cruise

(http://i.imgur.com/TnZARdK.gif)

Will Tom Cruise look like him in the future?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 11:33:48 PM

https://twitter.com/vauxnews

heh, some of them are good  :yeshrug

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Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 22
Two justices that should retire.

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 22
Why today's Halbig decision makes the case for reclassifying President Obama as a "State."

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 21
12 things we Googled this afternoon and repackaged in yellow branding.

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 21
Does the country deliberately become more difficult to govern when a Democratic president is in charge?

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 18
Why water is just the first in a long line of products we’re going to argue is somehow different.

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 18
How Mary Jo Kopechne’s death helped to alleviate overcrowding in the Northeast.

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 17
How Ronald Reagan's "Challenger" speech was a missed political opportunity.

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 17
"It looks like it may be a terrible tragedy" — Obama on the downed Malaysian Airlines flight. 9 reasons he's right.

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 16
The worlds 10 most amazing fictional bridges.

Vox @vauxnews  ·  Jul 16
Zack Beauchamp read a few webpages in an Internet café this morning. Here's a half-assed piece about the Middle East.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2014, 12:56:11 AM

Why are you always posting stuff from the comments section of news articles? Who cares. I might read comments sections for a quick chuckle but that's it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 02:06:44 AM

Typical elitist liberal intelligentsia preferring to pontificate from on high with just theory, rather than to learn about the real world from the masses. To discover their hopes and dreams and fears. To get the real story from the streets not the filtered confirmation bias of the lamestream media. To have the walls fall as Shaka witnessed and feel the emotions of trembling before ESAU. To locate not just our differences but our similarities as a species, nay, as a family here upon this planet. To become one with the masses in understanding. To experience the thrill of wearing another man's intellectual skin. Feeling his innermost wants and desires and being in control of every single move. That's how you get off.

Now don't you guys want to get off with me?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 02:34:07 AM

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 02:52:41 AM

(http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2014/07/30/the-republican-occupation-of-detroit/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/1406713554334.cached.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2014, 07:52:39 AM

I just don't get the appeal. It's like my view on Devolution spending 90% of her Bore time posting dumb comments from GAF: what's the point and why do you care.

My mom discovered how to effectively use YouTube a few months ago, and even more recently discovered the comments section. She texts me random troll posts from there and I just smh. I keep explaining the uselessness of comments sections but nah, they now explain everything about "this generation" to her

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 08:26:30 AM

I've posted two quotes from comments on the last eight pages over the last 23 days.

What's the point? Same as anything else? I find them amusing on some level.
Why do I care? I don't know if I do care really other than to the extent that they can be amusing.

I'm not offering up any grand unified theory of the unwashed or a "generation" or anything and never have claimed to be. But if it's bothering people then I won't post quotes from comments anymore on here. It's no biggie to me.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2014, 08:53:24 AM

The latest meme among the GOP is that the only people talking about impeachment are Democrats because they want to raise money and Obama keeps talking about impeachment because he loves playing the victim card:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-impeachment-ridiculous-game
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/karl-rove-obama-impeachment
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/30/allen-wests-impeachment-flip-flop/200266
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/07/28/conservatives-blame-democrats-for-conservative/200222
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/07/30/sean-hannity-obama-claimed-to-be-the-victim-of/200268

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on July 31, 2014, 09:14:11 AM

I saw that yesterday and it amazes me how fucking stupid they think their base is.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 31, 2014, 11:13:36 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 08:26:30 AM

I've posted two quotes from comments on the last eight pages over the last 23 days.

What's the point? Same as anything else? I find them amusing on some level.
Why do I care? I don't know if I do care really other than to the extent that they can be amusing.

I'm not offering up any grand unified theory of the unwashed or a "generation" or anything and never have claimed to be. But if it's bothering people then I won't post quotes from comments anymore on here. It's no biggie to me.

nah, it's coo - I get PD's point that nutpicking is ultimately pretty futile, but nothing wrong with having a laugh at them now and then

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on July 31, 2014, 11:30:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 30, 2014, 09:51:31 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 30, 2014, 09:41:35 PM

God, Reagan was one ugly motherfucker.

(http://antville.org/static/tiny/images/rr2.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/1PB8x1b.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 12:21:11 PM

I guess I was confused because that "vauxnews" thing I posted is a twitter account making fun of Vox style headlines, not anything to do with comments so I wasn't sure what PD was referring to.

It's probably just disappointment that there really isn't a top ten list of the world's best fictional bridges.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2014, 02:08:21 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 12:21:11 PM

I guess I was confused because that "vauxnews" thing I posted is a twitter account making fun of Vox style headlines, not anything to do with comments so I wasn't sure what PD was referring to.

It's probably just disappointment that there really isn't a top ten list of the world's best fictional bridges.

1. The Bridge to Terabithia
2. Simon and Garfunkel's 'Bridge Over Troubled Waters'
2. The Bridges of Madison County
3. The Album Cover of Robin Trower's 1974 Album 'Bridge of Sighs'
4. That One Cool Bridge from That Final Fantasy Game Everyone Likes
5. 'The Bridge to Nowhere' that Sarah Palin took All the Money for and Then Forgot to Build
6. Bill Clinton's Bridge to the 21st Century
7. Aretha Franklin's Cover of Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water
8. The Bridge of the USS Enterprise
9. Franz Kafka's "The Bridge"
10. The Golden Gate Bridge from the Opening of 'Full House'

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2014, 02:25:20 PM

Here's some good political news for once:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hospitals-drop-uninsured-obamacare-bloomberg

Hospital Corporation of America, the biggest for-profit hospital network in the country, reported a 6.6 percent decrease in uninsured patients across its 165 hospitals, according to Bloomberg. And in the four states where HCA operates that expanded Medicaid, the drop was 48 percent.

bloobloobloo death panels!!!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 31, 2014, 02:40:01 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 12:21:11 PM

I guess I was confused because that "vauxnews" thing I posted is a twitter account making fun of Vox style headlines, not anything to do with comments so I wasn't sure what PD was referring to.

It's probably just disappointment that there really isn't a top ten list of the world's best fictional bridges.

And here I thought you personally sift through the sewage to find the 'gems'. Because that I don't understand. You should pitch articles to Cracked.com or something, at least get paid for it.

In Devo's case I understand (suspect) that she's just venting and pointing fingers at the shit that pops up in a community she otherwise enjoys. I don't read it outside of German GAF, so I wouldn't know, but the unending stream of refuse does prompt a "why bother?" in me too. Just an impression though. Pedophiles and insufferable man-children everywhere, etc.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2014, 02:58:21 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 08:26:30 AM

I've posted two quotes from comments on the last eight pages over the last 23 days.

You post more stuff from comment sections than every other poster combined.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 31, 2014, 03:01:25 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2014, 02:08:21 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 12:21:11 PM

I guess I was confused because that "vauxnews" thing I posted is a twitter account making fun of Vox style headlines, not anything to do with comments so I wasn't sure what PD was referring to.

It's probably just disappointment that there really isn't a top ten list of the world's best fictional bridges.

1. The Bridge to Terabithia
2. Simon and Garfunkel's 'Bridge Over Troubled Waters'
2. The Bridges of Madison County
3. The Album Cover of Robin Trower's 1974 Album 'Bridge of Sighs'
4. That One Cool Bridge from That Final Fantasy Game Everyone Likes
5. 'The Bridge to Nowhere' that Sarah Palin took All the Money for and Then Forgot to Build
6. Bill Clinton's Bridge to the 21st Century
7. Aretha Franklin's Cover of Simon and Garfunkel's Bridge Over Troubled Water
8. The Bridge of the USS Enterprise
9. Franz Kafka's "The Bridge"
10. The Golden Gate Bridge from the Opening of 'Full House'

Bridge on the River Kwai, c'mon now son

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actually, i was really impressed with your list  :-[

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 03:06:39 PM

Ask "What's the point of doing X?" in an existence without universal truth or meaning brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2014, 03:28:03 PM

Yeah, gonna need a better reason than a cold and impassive universe to excuse lame posting habits.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 31, 2014, 03:31:10 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 31, 2014, 02:58:21 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 08:26:30 AM

I've posted two quotes from comments on the last eight pages over the last 23 days.

You post more stuff from comment sections than every other poster combined.

Isn't that basically what everyone in the GAF thread is doing? :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2014, 03:34:42 PM

I wish we could have some type of limit where you get 5 posts in the GAF thread a day. No more endless spam of links and snarky comments.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 03:41:56 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 31, 2014, 03:28:03 PM

Yeah, gonna need a better reason than a cold and impassive universe to excuse lame posting habits.

You can just say, "Hey [poster] [this thing you do] is annoying me, would you mind toning it down, or even stopping it?" instead of passive aggressively caching it in some existential shell that puts the onus on someone else to defend their posting's inherent worth instead of on yourself to communicate what you want and don't want to read here.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 31, 2014, 03:46:55 PM

גענטלעמען, מיר מוזן ניט קעמפן אַמאַנגסט זיך אין דעם בייַזייַן פון גויים.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 03:52:05 PM

I tried translating that instead of just pasting it into Google Translate. Taking the ל on that one.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on July 31, 2014, 04:01:51 PM

The period is on the wrong side. Makes the cursor freak out when you try to select the entire sentence.

Title: Like listening to a Dennis Miller routine
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2014, 04:18:44 PM

Fair enough, Kara.

I could really stand to read fewer "hey, lookit the dumbs I've found!" posts, whether it's the GAF thread, benji dumpster-diving comment sections, or you talking shit about the middlebrow tastes of some woman who messaged you on OKC.  I get the appeal of it (I'm sure if you check my post history you'd prove me a hypocrite in no time), but outside of small doses, the self-congratulatory contempt for other humans is ehhhhhhh.  At least with the GAF-posting it's been quarantined and I can choose to steer clear.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 04:58:03 PM

Since you asked me directly and I don't want to infringe on your enjoyment of the forum, I'll do my part to knock it off.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2014, 05:26:35 PM

I don't have any contempt for people from comments or forums, by any objective standard they're probably mostly all superior to me*, I just think they can be amusing/funny/interesting in a much more honest way than "officially recognized" commentators. But if that's not the case, that's not the case, I'm wrong and I don't need to post anything.

*Especially that marine guy who was writing poetry about illegal immigrants on Brietbart.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2014, 05:51:05 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 30, 2014, 10:45:49 PM

Young John McCain, on the other hand, was surprisingly hot.

Ya its a shame what the Viet Cong did to him.  I'd never get a brow lift through medical tourism.  http://media.salon.com/2013/02/mccain_pareene.jpg

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on July 31, 2014, 06:00:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckqrudsDi6A

All I see is brown. Brown and full of Aztecs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2014, 06:36:37 PM

The next time someone rants about taxes being theft feel free to link them to this story.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/how-east-germany-robbed-collectors-of-their-art-a-982739.html

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At dawn on Dec. 8, 1981, two men stood on his doorstep. One said they had come to check his water meter. The other put his hand on Schwarz's shoulder after entering his home and said: "You are under arrest for tax evasion." They said that the objects he had been keeping in his home for decades had appreciated in value and that Schwarz owed back taxes as a result. The total was 1.5 million East German marks.

This actually happens to taxpayers that own interests in passive foreign investment companies (PFICs) under the Internal Revenue Code. (http://i.imgur.com/XzusRBB.png)

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on July 31, 2014, 08:49:01 PM

Muslim pray mats and , heaven forbid, some books?

I can see why these gap tooth extra-chromosome having morons would be terrified of books.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2014, 12:44:51 PM

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"This situation shows the intense concern within our conference - and among the American people - about the need to ensure the security of our borders and the president's refusal to faithfully execute our laws.  There are numerous steps the president can and should be taking right now, without the need for congressional action, to secure our borders and ensure these children are returned swiftly and safely to their countries.
~John Boner

Please, Obama, issue some executive actions (that we can sue you for later) because we can't do shit. :lol

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/Cruz_Control

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 01, 2014, 04:38:23 PM

Quote from: Esch on July 31, 2014, 11:27:15 PM

good piece, thanks.

I wasn't surprised by the SED's institutional complicity in the activity, but the... cooperation with the West legitimately surprised me. (Not the dealers, the off the books fund setup by the government that was later ended.)

I guess I always give the West German government way too much credit for not being morally bankrupt even though its pathetic efforts to de-Nazify are well known (and still felt in the case of the BfV / die Linke scandal) by now.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on August 01, 2014, 04:42:31 PM

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t31.0-8/p600x600/10511407_10152678888604474_4383942217873592664_o.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2014, 05:40:08 PM

(http://c7.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/uploaded/pic_giant_080113_B.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 01, 2014, 05:42:11 PM

If only they could unskew...the past.

brb selling that to Chris Nolan.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 01, 2014, 06:00:48 PM

This was a dumb post made out of boredom, carry on

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 01, 2014, 07:07:44 PM

wow

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-obama-torture-20140801-story.html


Obama: 'We tortured some folks'

In startlingly blunt phrasing, President Obama on Friday acknowledged the CIA’s use of brutal interrogation tactics in the years after the Sept. 11 attack, even as he defended the agency’s top spy, who is a veteran of the era.

“We tortured some folks,” Obama said to reporters during a news conference Friday. “We did some things that were contrary to our values.”

uh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 01, 2014, 07:08:59 PM

wow

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-obama-torture-20140801-story.html


Obama: 'We tortured some folks'

In startlingly blunt phrasing, President Obama on Friday acknowledged the CIA’s use of brutal interrogation tactics in the years after the Sept. 11 attack, even as he defended the agency’s top spy, who is a veteran of the era.

“We tortured some folks,” Obama said to reporters during a news conference Friday. “We did some things that were contrary to our values.”

uh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2014, 07:21:05 PM

I'm sure Dick Cheney and his daughter will have something to say about that on Sunday morning news shows.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 08:38:20 PM

Great. Thanks a lot Obama. Now the terrorists know.

And this guy has the nerve to complain about Edward Snowden when he leaks this kind of sensitive national security stuff on TV.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on August 01, 2014, 09:12:13 PM

Obama has evolved into President Obama With Relative Minimum of Fucks to Give

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2014, 09:54:15 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/1/ben-carson-takes-major-step-toward-presidential-ca/

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Ben Carson, the former neurosurgeon turned conservative sensation, is taking a major step toward a 2016 presidential bid by forming a political action committee and selecting the man who would run his campaign, The Washington Times has learned.

Emerging from two-days of meetings with supporters in Palm Beach, Fla., Dr. Carson told the Times on Friday morning he has selected Houston businessman Terry Giles to be his 2016 campaign chairman should he run and approved the formation of a PAC called One Nation.

“Now is the time to start all of the appropriate exploration and investigation, and put down the structure that is necessary,” Dr. Carson said in a phone interview.

Asked about the likelihood he will run for president in 2016, Dr. Carson said: “I would say we are definitely a step or two closer than we were a year ago.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2014, 10:03:09 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/lUsfUi6.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2014, 10:44:24 PM

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House GOP Votes To Spurn Obama, Deport Dreamers Before Leaving Town

In a vote likely to exacerbate their party's demographic problems, House Republicans passed legislation on Friday night to effectively require the deportation of everyone in the U.S. illegally, including young people brought as children who attended college or joined the military.

It passed by a vote of 216 to 192. Eleven Republicans voted no and four Democrats voted yes.

The bill serves a symbolic rebuke of President Barack Obama for his current and upcoming executive actions to relieve undocumented immigrants from the threat of deportation. It passed shortly after the House passed 223-189 a separate GOP-led border funding proposal, which gives House Republicans the opportunity to go home for recess and say they acted on the child migrant crisis.

"In the end, the Republican position on immigration can be summed up as: deport 'em all," said Rep. Luis Gutiérrez (D-IL). "You know it is suicide as a political strategy, but you continue to say deport 'em all."

Both bills are dead on arrival in the Senate. Obama slammed them as "extreme and unworkable" and promised to veto them if they land on his desk.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/house-gop-votes-rebuke-obama-deport-dreamers?utm_content=buffer8c01b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

dance into your electoral grave brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2014, 01:37:52 AM

It's a troll lawsuit that prays for the SC to overturn precedent and sock it to democrats, nothing more. It's true that the bill say states need to run exchanges, but every piece of evidence suggests that was not the intention of the framers, nor was it discussed much.

Given Scalia is on the record about legal intent and the Roberts court's knack for siding with big corporations makes it very hard for me to be nervous about this shit.

It might not even make it to the SC.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 01:39:01 AM

The CBO isn't exactly allowed to model whatever they want.

Not saying it supports the alternate case, just that, like OMB and the BoxScore Geeks, there's always assumptions built into the model with a weak underbelly. And in the CBO's case it's Congress.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2014, 01:45:45 AM

Key thing is that the argument that Congress intended for state exchanges to be shut out of the subsidies is obviously, transparently specious.

Which isn't new in politics, but it definitely takes more chutzpah than normal to say this with a straight face.

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Unless most of the folks saying it sincerely believe it but I just don't want to think about that.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 01:47:48 AM

I think Cannon believes it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 02, 2014, 10:21:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2014, 07:21:05 PM

I'm sure Dick Cheney and his daughter will have something to say about that on Sunday morning news shows.

Fox jumped straight on that yesterday, actually:

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/08/01/fox-gives-liz-cheney-a-platform-to-attack-obama/200303

(http://i.imgur.com/PGFF5dk.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 02, 2014, 06:39:16 PM

Everything is slavery, except actual slavery, which wasn't really that bad.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 02, 2014, 06:57:21 PM

Or wage slavery, that's voluntary interaction between persons with equal agency. :hitler

Speaking of wages, WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW that an employer can reimburse an employee up to $20 a month for commuting by bicycle and not have to report it as wage income? Why is it only $20? No army of hucksters will emerge and ride their bikes to work every day if this rule is eliminated.

:piss Individual income tax code :piss2
:piss Litanies of situational rules that have an immaterial effect on tax due :piss2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2014, 09:01:26 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 02, 2014, 06:39:16 PM

Everything is slavery, except actual slavery, which wasn't really that bad.

Housing, food, a job for you and future generations, stability, occasionally a self-esteem boosting auction for your services, get to work outside with your hands, free bondage sessions, less paperwork.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2014, 09:45:16 PM

Government housing, food, little commute time...the slaves had it just as good as Obama does now. Or is he a "slave" too.

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that's an excerpt from my upcoming e-book, Slave To The Rhythm of Liberalism: How Music, Reagan, and Markets Set Me Free.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2014, 12:38:19 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/02/the-coming-democratic-mid-term-collapse.html

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The Coming Democratic Midterm Collapse

History tells us the “six-year itch” is a very real thing, and there’s little Obama’s Democrats can do to stave off a big loss this November.

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The “Great Exception” offers you no comfort: So how did the Democrats actually pick up five House seats in 1998, and not lose a single Senate seat, at a time when the incumbent Democratic President had been pummeled all year by accusations of sexual misconduct and possible perjury? On August 17, just a few weeks before the fall campaign iced off, he had to go on national TV to offer a mea kinda sorta culpa.

Yes, part of the explanation was Republican overreach, which, combined with Independent Counsel Ken Starr's imitation of Inspector Javert, brought Clinton’s supporters to the polls.  The far more powerful explanation was the now-famous phrase pinned on James Carville’s campaign office wall: it’s the economy, stupid.

Describing the economy in 1998 makes it hard to believe we’re looking at the same country: unemployment at 4.5 percent. Inflation at 1.5 percent. Real GDP growth over 4 percent. The projected budget surplus was so high that a serious economic debate was underway that asked: should we wipe out the national debt, or do we need a bit of debt to keep credit flowing?

As for the national mood? In the fall of 1998, the NBC-Wall Street Journal poll reported that, by a 55-31 margin, the public believed things were pretty much headed in the right direction. All of which meant that while the public may not have trusted Clinton with their young daughters, they did trust him to mind the store.

Today? That same poll reports that, by a 2 1/2-1 spread, the country thinks “things are off on the wrong track.” And the economic numbers show a slow shuffle toward an anemic recovery; certainly not the kind of numbers that would persuade voters to rally behind the President’s party.

It’s not beyond possibility that Republicans could trigger such a rally, say, by seriously pushing impeachment (which may explain why Democrats react to the idea the way Brer Rabbit regarded the briar patch). But if we’re talking about probabilities, that six year curse looks very much like it will live to haunt another second-term President.

Brer Rabbit? Wow, racist.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 03, 2014, 01:17:24 AM

Quote from: Esch on August 02, 2014, 10:19:07 PM

That video is the essence of real time conservative LARP. I assume the tankies are what that's like on the other side of the spectrum.

In my experience there's 2 camps, the one that acts as if it's the good old days still--infiltrating groups like organized labor or immigrant rights movements, publishing (unintentionally) hilarious newspapers, et cetera, and the other one that's acts like we're living in the Bourbon Restoration and the only thing that can be done is to preserve the old ideals and force them into every nook and cranny that could be receptive, building vulgar class consciousness and waiting for the second bite at the apple.

Being reduced to Gramscian wars of position. :ussrcry :chinacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2014, 01:44:06 AM

Quote from: Karakand on August 03, 2014, 01:17:24 AM

infiltrating groups like organized labor or immigrant rights movements

I think these guys are the worst at it, they somehow lost control of World Can't Wait after establishing it: http://www.revcom.us/

And they've since given up Marxist-Leninism for some kind of synthesis Maoism bullshit where a revolution is fine and necessary and about to happen but like you can totally vote for the Democratic Party.

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And apparently horrible web design.

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Best part, they spent tons of time on the two Jesse Jackson Presidential campaigns thinking that he was secretly one of them.

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EDIT: http://www.revcom.us/avakian/index.html

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A brief introduction to BA’s new synthesis of communism ...

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A more in-depth introduction to BA’s new synthesis of communism...

(http://www.revcom.us/static/images2012/ba-home-image.jpg)

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Because of Bob Avakian and the work he has done over several decades, summing up the positive and negative experience of the communist revolution so far, and drawing from a broad range of human experience, there is a new synthesis of communism that has been brought forward — there really is a viable vision and strategy for a radically new, and much better, society and world, and there is the crucial leadership that is needed to carry forward the struggle toward that goal.

In Bob Avakian, the Chairman of our Party, we have the kind of rare and precious leader who does not come along very often. A leader who has given his heart, and all his knowledge, skills and abilities to serving the cause of revolution and the emancipation of humanity. Bob Avakian came alive as a revolutionary in the 1960s...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2014, 01:46:58 AM

One thing I've always found funny with American politics is how the openly Socialist and Communist parties can't stop having their "SPLITTERS!" moments while the Libertarian Party has kept all the same fellow traveler nutbags in the same central party for 40 years. :lol

They just all fight at the convention over potentially statist platform minutiae and then go "we're going to not get 1% anyway so whatever" because the Best Western needs the Conference Room for a graduation party.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 03, 2014, 01:58:20 AM

omg Bob Avakian

LEGENDARY laughs have been had at that brehs expense amongst the comrades :heh

There's a lot of regionalism now in the newer M-L parties, PSL out west, APL in the Souf, etc. I think this owes more to the general disintegration of the old parties than factionalism per se, though some of these parties have their origins in old factional parties. (The PSL split off from the WWP I think?)

e: Ooooh, CPUSA held a party congress this year? And they discussed officially dropping M-L from their party constitution? That would shock exactly 0 people. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2014, 02:13:58 AM

The Social Party's 2008 Presidential candidate celebrating his convention victory:
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The CPUSA's Manhattan HQ  :heh
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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2014, 02:37:48 AM

This guy is awesome:

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In this body of work and method and approach, in the new synthesis brought forward by Bob Avakian, there is an analogy to what was done by Marx at the beginning of the communist movement—establishing in the new conditions that exist, after the end of the first stage of the communist revolution, a theoretical framework for the renewed advance of that revolution. But today, and with this new synthesis, it is most emphatically not a matter of “back to the drawing board,” as if what is called for is throwing out both the historical experience of the communist movement and the socialist societies it brought into being and “the rich body of revolutionary scientific theory” that developed through this first wave. That would represent an unscientific, and in fact a reactionary, approach. Rather, what is required—and what Avakian has undertaken—is building on all that has gone before, theoretically and practically, drawing the positive and the negative lessons from this, and raising this to a new, higher level of synthesis.

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This has often been accompanied by narrow, pragmatic, and positivist outlooks and approaches—which restrict what is relevant, or what can be determined (or is declared) to be true, to what relates to immediate experiences and struggles in which the masses of people are involved, and to the immediate objectives of the socialist state and its leading party, at any given time. This, in turn, has gone along with tendencies—which were a marked element in the Soviet Union but also in China when it was socialist—toward the notion of “class truth,” which in fact is opposed to the scientific understanding that truth is objective, does not vary in accordance with differing class interests, and is not dependent on which class outlook one brings to the pursuit of the truth. The scientific outlook and method of communism—if it is correctly taken up and applied, as a living science and not as a dogma—provides, in an overall sense, the most consistent, systematic, and comprehensive means for arriving at the truth, but that is not the same thing as saying that truth itself has a class character, or that communists are bound to arrive at the truth with regard to particular phenomena, while people who do not apply, or who even oppose, the communist outlook and method are not capable of arriving at important truths. Such views of “class truth,” which have existed to varying degrees and in various forms in the communist movement, are reductionist and vulgar materialist and run counter to the actual scientific viewpoint and method of dialectical materialism.

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This new synthesis, in its many crucial dimensions (which we have only been able to briefly touch on here) has put revolution and communism on a more solid scientific foundation. As Avakian himself has emphasized:

It is very important not to underestimate the significance and potential positive force of this new synthesis: criticizing and rupturing with significant errors and shortcomings while bringing forward and recasting what has been positive from the historical experience of the international communist movements and the socialist countries that have so far existed; in a real sense reviving—on a new, more advanced basis—the viability and, yes, the desirability of a whole new and radically different world, and placing this on an ever firmer foundation of materialism and dialectics....

So, we should not underestimate the potential of this as a source of hope and of daring on a solid scientific foundation

Look at this cac:

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Besides the need to sharply expose how Obama, and others parroting this stuff, are attempting to draw Black people into being consciously complicit in the crimes of “their country”—i.e., U.S. imperialism—against the oppressed masses of the world,6 it needs to be recognized and pointed out that these syrupy bromides being given voice by Obama, and by many bourgeois Black figures, on the basis of Obama's winning the presidential race, not only make the ground more favorable for, but can very quickly turn into, the menace voiced by William Bennett as things unfold, as this system continues to operate according to its essential nature and underlying dynamics, including—as we have stressed in the special issue on the Black national question7 —the ways in which it functions, and is bound to function, to keep masses of Black people, in particular youth in the inner cities, from “being whatever they strive to be,” and these youth and other basic Black masses are increasingly seen, and treated, by many of these Black bourgeois forces as dragging them down and posing an obstacle to their being what they are striving to be—more prominent functionaries and lackeys of the imperialist system.

The present role of Black bourgeois forces (as well as that of Obama), who spread this poison now must be very sharply confronted and called out for what is; and this should include directly making the analogy between some of these Black bourgeois forces and the Judenrat during the Nazi rule in Germany.8 That is, it is important to point to the potential “Judenrat role” of such Black bourgeois forces. But here let me stress potential, because it is important to be consistently scientific, and not to overstate things or engage in hyperbole—and specifically not act as if even those Black bourgeois forces who are purveying the poison referred to here are in fact already playing the role of insisting on more draconian measures (or even genocidal measures) against the masses of Black youth and others in the inner cities—except, of course, where there may be certain individuals (or forces) who are already doing that (or at least calling for more draconian measures, if not outright genocidal measures at this time), which definitely does need to be sharply called out now, and in an ongoing way.

Again, all this must be done while bringing forward, in contrast to this poison, our revolutionary line--our revolutionary-communist objectives and strategic orientation, approach and method. To a considerable extent, this can and should be done through the continuing dissemination—particularly among the Black masses but also among other sections of the people—of the special issue/statement “The Oppression of Black People, The Crimes of This System and the Revolution We Need”; this should mainly be disseminated for its overall powerful content, while there is also a more specific aspect of its polemics against the kind of poison I have referred to here. (It is noteworthy that this “now, no excuses” threat is exactly what we indicated in the statement on the Black national question would accompany all this seemingly “uplifting” talk about how Black youth can now dream and strive higher because of Obama.) But there will also be a need to do this in relation to more particular ways in which this stuff comes up—in which this poison is purveyed—in an ongoing way now, particularly in the context where Obama has been elected president (and commander-in-chief).

In connection with all this—and again as a basic point of orientation—I think we should boldly popularize the following:

Do Black people need to “take responsibility”? Responsibility for what? RESPONSIBILITY FOR REVOLUTION—DEFINITELY! WE ALL NEED TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR MAKING REVOLUTION—TO EMANCIPATE HUMANITY FROM THIS WHOLE SYSTEM OF OPPRESSION.

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In regard to Black people in particular, who are, in large numbers, being understandably—but of course very wrongly—swept up in “Obamamania,” in keeping with the “Malcolm X spirit” I stressed last time…we do have to put out, straight up, and struggle sharply with these masses, that they are being played. Worse yet, there is the prospect of significant numbers of them being turned, literally or at least ideologically, into the 21st-century version of “Buffalo soldiers”: enlisting with (or being more supportive of) the armed forces of their oppressors to go commit war crimes against oppressed people throughout the world—just as, after the Civil War, the “Buffalo soldiers” enlisted to help the U.S. army complete the theft of the land of the Indians (Native Americans) and carry forward the genocide against them.

We should, in our own orientation, not underestimate the potential pull of this “Buffalo soldier” phenomenon, particularly in the short run, on youth in the inner cities—and even the possibility that there could be appeals, and provisions made, for prisoners to go into the imperialist armed forces, with its “African-American commander-in-chief.” We have seen this kind of phenomenon with other oppressed people--including, in a profound irony, among Native Americans themselves. And the Black president/commander-in-chief factor could, at least in a shorter-term frame of reference, make this pull very powerful among at least significant numbers (though of course not all) of the Black youth. As was pointed out even as far back as the polemics against the Bundists (35 years ago now!),11 Black people in the U.S. have a dual position in the sense of being an oppressed people/nation (and, in large numbers, exploited and oppressed proletarians and semi-proletarians) but also, on the other side of this contradiction, as Americans. In a basic sense, the principal aspect of this contradiction is the oppressed people/nation part (and the role of masses of Black people as proletarians and semi-proletarians) but under certain circumstances the “American” aspect can strongly assert itself, and even become principal. The current situation, with Obama as a Black president/commander-in-chief (or soon to be that) is one in which this secondary—and of course very negative—aspect, is likely, at least in the short run, to be strengthened, and joining the U.S. military, to the degree that happens, will further strengthen this aspect: being part of that military does put people in the position of going out to beat up on oppressed people all over the world, and feeling like a “true American” in doing so (and this can, as it does to a significant degree among Native Americans, play into the “warrior” mentality which has no small amount of influence among Black youth—particularly but not only males). Further, there is the element of these youth getting discipline and “straightening out and straightening up” in the way the (imperialist) military does, in a certain sense, cause/force them to do—and there is the element of the effect of this on broader masses who are not joining the military but are the family, friends, etc., of those who do (the—once again very wrong and misplaced—sense of “pride” they take in this, as well as the sense of relief that these youth are getting out of the inner city life with all its very real horrors).

http://www.revcom.us/a/258/tips-for-tim-tebow-en.html  :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 03, 2014, 06:17:39 AM

Bob Avakian :snoop

Fun fact: After they lost financial support from the CPSU, the CPUSA had to become landlords in that building and rent out most of the space.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on August 03, 2014, 12:45:42 PM

That could have been a chapter in Snow Crash.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2014, 01:53:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BzItCPk5j4

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on August 03, 2014, 05:55:48 PM

The epitome of dumb.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 03, 2014, 06:11:39 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 02, 2014, 06:00:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yYYPMnJYPI


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Just a few things to note from that video:

- Libertarians/Conservatives to this day still do not understand what a "parody" is supposed to be.
- Why isn't the girl assistant in the beginning paying any taxes? Is she an intern working for free? Wouldn't that make the dude's "Well, YOU don't pay any taxes! :smug " comment, well you know?
- Taxation is theft, as usual.
- He cut off an entire portion of the Ed Show explaining why Phil Mickelson's not being accurate about his taxes and why it's in his interest to pay them.
- If you keep taxing all the rich people, there won't be any rich people left to tax.
- Chauffeur guy says without the free market he wouldn't have his car. But..he's a chauffeur. Isn't that supposed to be Galt guy's car? And why do they not show his face?
- So in order to teach the government a lesson, Galt guy decides to fuck over his assistant? That's the message he's trying to send?

Quote from: Karakand on August 02, 2014, 06:57:21 PM

Or wage slavery, that's voluntary interaction between persons with equal agency. :hitler

Speaking of wages, WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW that an employer can reimburse an employee up to $20 a month for commuting by bicycle and not have to report it as wage income? Why is it only $20? No army of hucksters will emerge and ride their bikes to work every day if this rule is eliminated.

:piss Individual income tax code :piss2
:piss Litanies of situational rules that have an immaterial effect on tax due :piss2

Hey, you seem to know a lot about this tax stuff, so I gots me a question. Is it correct to say for a business, marginal tax increases in the income tax, like the one we recently had with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, should not really have any effect on the business' employees? The way I thought it works is that, when a business collects income, and pays their employees, that income doesn't get taxed. The only income that would be effected is the income remaining AFTER a business pays off all its employees and overhead and all that other stuff. So only if you have over say $400k (which I believe is the threshold for the highest tax bracket) AFTER you pay all your business expenses, would you feel the effects of the tax hike.

Is that right?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 03, 2014, 09:03:15 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on August 03, 2014, 06:11:39 PM

Hey, you seem to know a lot about this tax stuff, so I gots me a question. Is it correct to say for a business, marginal tax increases in the income tax, like the one we recently had with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, should not really have any effect on the business' employees? The way I thought it works is that, when a business collects income, and pays their employees, that income doesn't get taxed. The only income that would be effected is the income remaining AFTER a business pays off all its employees and overhead and all that other stuff. So only if you have over say $400k (which I believe is the threshold for the highest tax bracket) AFTER you pay all your business expenses, would you feel the effects of the tax hike.

Is that right?

(Federal) corporate income tax liability is determined by taxable income (gross income less allowed deductions, special deductions, and losses carried back or forward from prior or future periods), which is what tax accounting uses in lieu of net income (income less expenses, interest, amortization, depreciation, and taxes).

Generally speaking, paying your employees is an allowed deduction, so paying them does reduce a business' taxable income (and thus tax liability).

However what you're missing is that business owners care about the after tax profit available to them. While this is highly unlikely in my experience, it's not 100% inconceivable that owner(s) would react to increased marginal tax rates by decreasing their allowed deductions, increasing their taxable income, and maintaining the amount of after tax income available to them (assuming the same gross income and deductions across periods, which is a hypothetical absurdity).

Really though this is academic and profit is extracted out of these companies as allowed deductions through a variety of conduits and paid to owner(s) so corporate tax rates are meaningless in and of themselves.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on August 04, 2014, 03:38:55 AM

What threat is the US under, Liz?

There isn't a single credible threat to the US at this point in time but i guess if the US isn't smashing some small country of brown folks back doors in then somehow the whole of the US is going to fold.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 11:49:30 AM

The House Intelligence Committee completed their Benghazi report. The results:

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Among the Intelligence Committee's findings, according to Thompson:

-- Intelligence agencies were "warned about an increased threat environment, but did not have specific tactical warning of an attack before it happened."

-- "A mixed group of individuals, including those associated with al Qaeda, (Moammar) Khadafy loyalists and other Libyan militias, participated in the attack."

-- "There was no 'stand-down order' given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, no illegal activity or illegal arms transfers occurring by U.S. personnel in Benghazi, and no American was left behind."

-- The administration's process for developing "talking points" was "flawed, but the talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis."

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/House-panel-No-administration-wrongdoing-in-5663509.php

itsnothing.gif

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 12:14:39 PM

Wait for Darrell Issa's Extended Edition Blu-Ray, featuring scenes the studio thought too disturbing for people with a shred of decency.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 12:18:44 PM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on August 01, 2014, 09:12:13 PM

Obama has evolved into President Obama With Relative Minimum of Fucks to Give

oh man if he goes through with this immigration executive order/ether...oh boy. Almost guarantees an impeachment farce, forces all 2016 GOP candidates to oppose the action, and solidifies Hispanics under the democrat umbrella for another generation.

I wish Cheebs was here to break down what this means. Powerful posting, brehs
:tocry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 04, 2014, 12:29:50 PM

IMPEACHMENT II: ELECTRIC BUGALOO, COMING TO A CONGRESS NEAR YOU NEXT YEAR

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/republican-gop-senate-forecast/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 04, 2014, 12:40:21 PM

ugh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2014, 12:52:09 PM

:bow Majority Leader Ted Cruz, foreign-born and a member of a minority, wow such progressive so outreach. :bow2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2014, 06:30:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 11:49:30 AM

The House Intelligence Committee completed their Benghazi report. The results:

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Among the Intelligence Committee's findings, according to Thompson:

-- Intelligence agencies were "warned about an increased threat environment, but did not have specific tactical warning of an attack before it happened."

-- "A mixed group of individuals, including those associated with al Qaeda, (Moammar) Khadafy loyalists and other Libyan militias, participated in the attack."

-- "There was no 'stand-down order' given to American personnel attempting to offer assistance that evening, no illegal activity or illegal arms transfers occurring by U.S. personnel in Benghazi, and no American was left behind."

-- The administration's process for developing "talking points" was "flawed, but the talking points reflected the conflicting intelligence assessments in the days immediately following the crisis."

http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/House-panel-No-administration-wrongdoing-in-5663509.php

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18 months to put together a report detailing what everyone else knew within the first week. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2014, 10:51:05 PM

uhhh  en banc already is a slam dunk. democrats outnumber republicans on the 4th Circuit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 05, 2014, 01:38:59 AM

This aggression will not stand.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 05, 2014, 01:57:22 AM

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Brooks next went on to defend his party’s base’s rigid stance against any kind of immigration reform that isn’t focus primarily on deportation, arguing that opposing a pathway to citizenship and further immigration is beneficial to all races.

focused

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2014, 06:52:09 AM

Quote from: Karakand on August 03, 2014, 09:03:15 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on August 03, 2014, 06:11:39 PM

Hey, you seem to know a lot about this tax stuff, so I gots me a question. Is it correct to say for a business, marginal tax increases in the income tax, like the one we recently had with the expiration of the Bush tax cuts, should not really have any effect on the business' employees? The way I thought it works is that, when a business collects income, and pays their employees, that income doesn't get taxed. The only income that would be effected is the income remaining AFTER a business pays off all its employees and overhead and all that other stuff. So only if you have over say $400k (which I believe is the threshold for the highest tax bracket) AFTER you pay all your business expenses, would you feel the effects of the tax hike.

Is that right?

However what you're missing is that business owners care about the after tax profit available to them. While this is highly unlikely in my experience, it's not 100% inconceivable that owner(s) would react to increased marginal tax rates by decreasing their allowed deductions, increasing their taxable income, and maintaining the amount of after tax income available to them (assuming the same gross income and deductions across periods, which is a hypothetical absurdity).

Can you give me an example that illustrates this?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2014, 11:15:58 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/v1bS3fd.jpg)

hmmmm, tough call this one

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2014, 12:03:18 PM

remember when Obama said his re-election would end the anti-Obama "fever" in the republican party
:heh

these people are insane.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 05, 2014, 12:13:31 PM

Can't wait for the Clinton Greatest Hits album in a couple years:

Whitewater!
Vince Foster!
Beeeeeeeenghaziiiiiiiiiii!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 05, 2014, 01:10:46 PM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 05, 2014, 12:13:31 PM

Can't wait for the Clinton Greatest Hits album in a couple years:

Whitewater!
Vince Foster!
Beeeeeeeenghaziiiiiiiiiii!

Lesbian!  :-*

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CajoleJuice on August 05, 2014, 05:21:21 PM

Support Are Troops

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/05/exclusive-pro-troop-charity-pays-off-tea-party-cronies-instead.html

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Move America Forward has collected millions to send care packages to U.S. troops. But its assets have been used to benefit conservative political consulting firms close to its Tea Party founder.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2014, 05:56:30 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on August 05, 2014, 05:21:21 PM

Support Are Troops

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/05/exclusive-pro-troop-charity-pays-off-tea-party-cronies-instead.html

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Move America Forward has collected millions to send care packages to U.S. troops. But its assets have been used to benefit conservative political consulting firms close to its Tea Party founder.

:fathermike

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2014, 05:57:53 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 05, 2014, 10:19:34 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/brooks-double-down-war-on-whites-comment

Fail to realize you said something stupid,  brehs :neogaf

GOP guaranteed Whig Party status in 30 years.

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"I don't know of a single Republican who has made an appeal for votes based on skin color. I don't know of one," he said.

roflmao

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 05, 2014, 05:58:28 PM

I assumed it was intentional.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 05, 2014, 09:36:22 PM

NBC slips up, reveals the truth by accident: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/08/05/nbc_reporter_on_obamas_african_summit_the_fact_that_hes_from_kenya_helps.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 05, 2014, 10:45:28 PM

Tea Party candidate loses GOP race for Mike Rogers seat to former State Senate majority leader.

Kerry Bentivolio, another tea party dude who basically lucked into Congress when Thaddeus McCotter had his breakdown, got crushed like 70-30 by some businessman.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2014, 10:52:18 PM

There were about 4 people voting when I got to my voting area.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 05, 2014, 10:53:59 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on August 05, 2014, 06:52:09 AM

Can you give me an example that illustrates this?

C - D - T = Z where C is gross income, D is allowed deductions, special deductions, and NOL carrying, T is tax and Z is after tax profit.

Before a tax increase Borean favorite Schlongs R Us' tax return is as such:
 
C = 1,000,000
D = 375,000
T = 212,500 (I did this computation in my head, if it's wrong :patel.)
Z = 412,500

After a tax increase of 34% to 37% in the tax bracket Schlongs R Us resided in for the prior example (but not for any lower brackets), and assuming C and D remain constant (I know this is asinine), the company's tax return would be as such in the following year:

C = 1,000,000
D = 375,000
T = 221,200 (Again, :patel if my math is wrong.)
Z = 403,800

If owner(s) care about returning Z from 403,800 to something close to 412,500 again*, they have to alter the figures that comprise C and D and increase their taxable income so that Z = Z again as these are the only variables under their immediate control** in a tax year.

To increase their taxable income, either C needs to increase or D needs to decrease. (Decreasing costs increases profit. :patel)

D (specifically, allowed deductions) are more under the immediate control of owner(s) than C which (generally speaking) requires another party to voluntarily exchange (what will become) income for goods and / or services.

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While reviewing ways to lower D, owner(s) might decide to cut their cost of labor. Besides overworking employees by laying off some productive ones because they have to work or die, in a business there are usually a few family members with no-show jobs that can easily get the boot without affecting the production process to keep C constant. (i.e. They aren't really variable costs.) Though I imagine in the latter scenario the next family holiday will a bit awkward when Cousin Bradley shows up.

So let's say the owner(s) of Schlongs R Us decide to go ahead and lay off Cousin Bradley on 12/31 of the prior year who makes 14,500 a year at their no-show job in response to some Obammunist corporate tax rate increase. How would their next tax return look instead of how it did in the second calculation?

C = 1,000,000
D = 360,500
T = 226,565
Z = 412,935

412,500 ≈ 412,935



*In my experience, owner(s) care more about paying T at all than they do about Z.

**Insert :ussrcry rant about the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie here.

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More like :hans1 rant amirite fellas.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 05, 2014, 11:06:08 PM

:bow karakand :bow2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2014, 12:53:03 AM

This is more like how it works irl doe.

Schlongs R Us under the current tax rates:

C = 1,000,000
D = 1,000,000
T = 0
Z = 0

What comprises D?

650,000 of normal business expenses (manufacturing schlongs is costly).
80,000 of rent paid to Holding Schlongs, LP.
115,000 of lease payments to Jerking Schlongs, LLC.
125,000 of bonuses paid to the executives (owners) of Schlongs R Us.
25,000 of interest paid to the owners of Schlongs R Us on salaries lent to the company.
5,000 of net operating loss carryforward from losses incurred 11 years ago by the company.

Holding Schlongs, LP owns the building Schlongs R Us operates out of and its partners are some of the owners of Schlongs R Us and their family.

Jerking Schlongs, LLC  owns some of the machines Schlongs R Us uses to make schlongs as well as the cars the owners drive to work in every day. Its members are owners of Schlongs R Us and their family.

Schlongs R Us' tax return (C and D being constant) after a tax increase of 34% to 37% in the tax bracket Schlongs R Us resided in for my prior post (but not for any lower brackets).

C = 1,000,000
D = 1,000,000
T = 0
Z = 0

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2014, 01:39:17 AM

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE JOB CREATORS AT SCHLONGS R US

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2014, 01:43:15 AM

Quote from: Creepy Old Guy on August 06, 2014, 01:39:17 AM

WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE JOB CREATORS AT SCHLONGS R US

I'm tired of the big box dildo retailers running the small mom & pop sex toy shops out of business.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on August 06, 2014, 02:05:35 AM

Quote from: Eric P on August 01, 2014, 07:07:44 PM

wow

http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/politicsnow/la-pn-obama-torture-20140801-story.html


Obama: 'We tortured some folks'

In startlingly blunt phrasing, President Obama on Friday acknowledged the CIA’s use of brutal interrogation tactics in the years after the Sept. 11 attack, even as he defended the agency’s top spy, who is a veteran of the era.

“We tortured some folks,” Obama said to reporters during a news conference Friday. “We did some things that were contrary to our values.”

uh

I'd have applauded if he'd said "the previous administration" instead of "we," though that'd probably come back to bite him in the ass.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2014, 10:39:33 AM

http://www.amazon.com/Parents-Open-Carry-Brian-Jeffs/dp/1618081012/ref=tmm_pap_title_0

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-eg-OIifL.jpg)

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 06, 2014, 11:02:58 AM

The dad had his hand turned into a gun.  The evolution of the second amendment is turning arms into arms :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2014, 11:12:39 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 06, 2014, 11:02:58 AM

The dad had his hand turned into a gun.  The evolution of the second amendment is turning arms into arms :lawd

Long live the new flesh!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2014, 11:24:07 AM

Probably the first recorded case of a male drawing having gay glaze.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2014, 02:17:58 PM

Her parents open carry, but only inside the compound.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2014, 05:01:43 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 06, 2014, 10:29:28 AM

Don't most businesses leverage heavily by selling bonds to their own investors in order to reduce T and Z while ensuring that one of their costs of doing business includes funneling money to investors while calling it debt service?

Bonds are too inflexible (at least for the size of company I work with), they usually accomplish this with promissory notes that are altered as conditions require. (e.g. If the business hits the skids a new note will be drawn up at 0% interest for X years.) This was the 25,000 of interest paid in my second post, I should have been more explicit.

It's also necessary in S-corps because debt to shareholders is counted as shareholder basis.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2014, 06:56:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9BQDJZ42w0

 :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2014, 09:17:09 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/04/the-united-states-needs-corporate-loyalty-oaths.html

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So it’s time for red-blooded Americans to take matters into our own hands. My answer is to make every corporation sign something.

Sign what? If Republicans cared about this issue, which most don’t, they would revive McCarthy-era loyalty oaths, where people were forced to swear that they weren’t communists.

...

Because oaths and pledges are a little creepy, this effort needs something else—something that comes out of the legal and business worlds: a contract. More specifically, an NDA.

Non-disclosure agreements are common in corporate America, where tens of thousands of senior managers and employees sign contracts promising to keep all sorts of information confidential. It’s often a condition of employment.

Now it’s time to change the “D” and expect the same from boards of directors—a “non-desertion agreement” with the John Hancock of every board member and CEO in the United States.

If boards thought for even a second about the long-term interests of their companies, they would summon their lawyers and sign. It’s protection against the risks of resurgent nationalism that could strip them of the many advantages (indirect government subsidies, easy access to American markets) that they currently enjoy.

...

That’s where the rest of us come in. Under my scheme, companies that sign non-desertion agreements would embed a tiny American flag or some other Good Housekeeping-type seal in their corporate insignia for all to see, just as companies during the Great Depression that agreed to Franklin Roosevelt’s recovery plan hung an emblem of a blue eagle in their windows with the legend, “We Do Our Part.”

Companies that fail to sign non-desertion agreements would face the kind of public shaming that has gone out of fashion but could come back with a vengeance: boycotts, petitions, angry shareholder meetings full of the language of patriotism.

...

Fortunately, these un-American arguments are destined to fail with the American public as the issue ripens. That’s because efforts to stop desertion aren’t populist or socialist but nationalist, a much more powerful force in American politics. Unbridled nationalism is a menace; it leads to trade wars and, all too often, real wars. But properly channeled, nationalism and patriotism are matters of the heart that cut to our deepest ideas of who we are.

With viral online organizing, the idea of non-desertion agreements could spread quickly. Then American corporations will learn that if they want to enjoy this country’s bounty, they’ll have to be good citizens and pay taxes like the rest of us.

Andrex warned us about NDA's.

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Love that Joker (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-34iM97BISxA/T4vMHXZHwWI/AAAAAAAABxU/jNyoORNrTJ0/s1600/batman095a.jpg) fascism.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2014, 09:26:45 PM

Since that article mentions it, I wish those loyalty oaths were still around so I could get out of paying self-employment taxes. (One of my largest annual business expenditures.)

http://www.taxhistory.org/thp/readings.nsf/ArtWeb/ABCE702270CFC41E85257D1B0041C870?OpenDocument

Tax freedom. :rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 06, 2014, 10:49:53 PM

Ugh, fucking life as an independent contractor

:fbm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2014, 12:08:28 AM

You'll take your double triple quadruple quintuple taxation and you'll like it!

Quote

"Red Inmate Gets $88.10 Monthly Security From Hand He Tried to Bite," proclaimed The Washington Daily News on October 27, 1955.2 "The $88.10-a-month payment is made to the 65 year-old Mr. Bittelman under the Government's old-age insurance program. He can cash the check and spend the money, and furthermore, it isn't subject to income tax."

Bittelman was sending $76 of each check to his wife, who had no other source of income.3 But her plight did little to soften the outrage of Bittelman's jailers, and the warden at his prison notified authorities of the apparent injustice.

If this Bittelman likes it so much why doesn't he go over to Soviet Russia and stay in one of their jails!

And typical hypocritical left, skimming off the top instead of donating every dollar to others.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2014, 12:46:44 AM

Thanks to that story I found out Earl Browder was an accountant / bookkeeper before becoming a cheerleader for ol' Joe Stalin. Guess I'm not such a strange snowflake, huh Esch. (http://i.imgur.com/NEY7Iom.png)

RE: Self-employment - it's OK for the people who want to do it and take advantage of its opportunities (I count myself in this group BTW), but I'm comfortable saying the vast majority of people paid as contractors these days don't want to be contractors and functionally speaking aren't contractors, the most obvious example here being the behavioral control (http://www.irs.gov/Businesses/Small-Businesses-&-Self-Employed/Behavioral-Control) rule. (And departments of labor lack the manpower to properly audit employers and apply the rules for employee vs. contractor, even in Commiefornia.)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2014, 02:32:44 AM

Browder also had some ill-conceived facial hair choices in the late 1930's:
(http://www.uncoveredpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/earl-browder.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_tqISUN7OIsY/SkHOkylfDZI/AAAAAAAAAb0/mNyh8LGBCgI/s400/c-36.jpg)

In prison in 1917:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/bb/Browder-earl-prison1917.jpg/200px-Browder-earl-prison1917.jpg)
 :-*

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2014, 03:19:15 AM

I know Comintern parties staned for Adolf after Molotov-Ribbentrop, but this is ridiculous.

BTW I read that loyalty oath article you posted (why I keep reading your articles I don't know), nothing is going to stop international tax avoidance except international cooperation. (I think of the EU's floor on VAT rates when I say this.)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2014, 03:29:02 AM

Quote from: Karakand on August 07, 2014, 03:19:15 AM

why I keep reading your articles I don't know

:phil

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 07, 2014, 09:57:54 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/10/magazine/has-the-libertarian-moment-finally-arrived.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1

“Let’s say Ron Paul is Nirvana,” said Kennedy, the television personality and former MTV host, by way of explaining the sort of politician who excites libertarians like herself. “Like, the coolest, most amazing thing to come along in years, and the songs are nebulous but somehow meaningful, and the lead singer kills himself to preserve the band’s legacy.

“Then Rand Paul — he’s Pearl Jam. Comes from the same place, the songs are really catchy, can really pack the stadiums, though it’s not quite Nirvana.

“Ted Cruz? He’s Stone Temple Pilots. Tries really hard to sound like Pearl Jam, never gonna sound like Nirvana. Really good voice, great staying power — but the whole is not greater than the sum of its parts.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 10:06:07 AM

I had Rand Paul pegged as more of a Soundgarden.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 07, 2014, 11:32:17 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/6hHBK14.png)

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 11:50:24 AM

How convenient for them.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 12:02:38 PM

The bigger SMH has to go to Coulter for making fun of a guy who got ebola while helping Africans (and ministering to them).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2014, 12:26:04 PM

Quote from: Ann Coulter

If Dr. Brantly had practiced at Cedars-Sinai hospital in Los Angeles and turned one single Hollywood power-broker to Christ, he would have done more good for the entire world than anything he could accomplish in a century spent in Liberia.

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2014, 12:47:29 PM

Ann is just straight trolling, though. She'll say anything to rile people up, like how World Cup soccer is turning America gay because it's too poofy and Euro or whatever. I think Erikson probably still believes his BS.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2014, 02:16:06 PM

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Earlier in the year D'Souza was indicted on federal charges on breaking campaign finance laws. In May he pleaded guilty to campaign finance violation and could face over a year in prison. D'Souza is scheduled to be sentenced on Sept. 23. The speaking event was planned for four days before that.

In response, The West Virginia Democratic Party charged that the West Virginia Republican Party was supporting actions of "an admitted felon who famously violated campaign finance laws," according to National Review. The West Virginia Democrats called that an "insult" to voters in the state.

The Charleston Daily Mail also reported that Capito had decided not to attend the event. A spokeswoman for Capito said she did not support the invite of D'Souza.

"Neither the campaign or Shelley had any knowledge of the decision to invite D'Souza to speak nor do we agree with the invitation," Capito spokeswoman Amy Graham said according to the West Virginia newspaper. "Shelley will not be attending the event and she will not allow her name to be associated with the event in any way."

The event where D'Souza was expected to speak is expected to still happen, just at another date either in September or October. The West Virginia GOP said it did not know about D'Souza's sentencing date when he was scheduled to speak.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/west-virginia-gop-cancels-d-souza-speech

4 more days
:rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 07, 2014, 02:21:52 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2014, 12:26:04 PM

Quote from: Ann Coulter

If Dr. Brantly had practiced at Cedars-Sinai hospital in Los Angeles and turned one single Hollywood power-broker to Christ, he would have done more good for the entire world than anything he could accomplish in a century spent in Liberia.

:neogaf

Let my people go.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2014, 08:09:07 PM

Pro-life, pro family GOP:

Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/08/scott-desjarlais-cannot-be-destroyed

Rep. Scott DesJarlais, who pressured a woman—one of two patients he admitted having affairs with—to get an abortion in the 1990s, appears to have narrowly avoided becoming the fourth Republican incumbent to lose a primary this year.

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But after his reelection, the dominoes continued to fall. Divorce transcripts released two weeks after the race revealed that he and his first wife had decided to abort two pregnancies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2014, 08:23:48 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2014, 08:09:07 PM

Pro-life, pro family GOP:

I hesitate to post this because it walks along the line of "ha ha look at how they internalized misogyny," but: http://mypage.direct.ca/w/writer/anti-tales.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2014, 09:36:04 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/richard-recine-helmetta-obama-video

On Monday, Helmetta, N.J. resident Steve Wronko and his wife were questioned by officer Richard Recine after they were seen taking photos and videos at the borough’s Municipal Building. In a video Wronko recorded of the encounter, Wronko argued it was his Constitutional right to take photos and videos in a public building. That’s when Recine went off.

“We don’t even care about that because Obama just decimated the freakin’ Constitution, so I don’t give a damn,” Recine said in the video. “If he doesn’t follow the Constitution, we don’t have to.”

Wronko responded saying the officer had to follow the Constitution because it’s “the law of the land.”

“Then you tell him that,” Recine said, referring to the President.

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2014, 09:06:02 PM

From the Texas gubernatorial race:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EV3aMuXsOVQ

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on August 09, 2014, 10:38:54 PM

I'm ready to give all of my votes to Wendy Davis

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2014, 03:03:19 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2014, 09:36:04 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/richard-recine-helmetta-obama-video

On Monday, Helmetta, N.J. resident Steve Wronko and his wife were questioned by officer Richard Recine after they were seen taking photos and videos at the borough’s Municipal Building. In a video Wronko recorded of the encounter, Wronko argued it was his Constitutional right to take photos and videos in a public building. That’s when Recine went off.

“We don’t even care about that because Obama just decimated the freakin’ Constitution, so I don’t give a damn,” Recine said in the video. “If he doesn’t follow the Constitution, we don’t have to.”

Wronko responded saying the officer had to follow the Constitution because it’s “the law of the land.”

“Then you tell him that,” Recine said, referring to the President.

:rofl

Aww I posted video of this on the last page but it got taken down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AoNR9RdA9bw

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"I tried to explain to [Wronko] that since 9/11 you just can't walk into a place and take videos," Recine told told MyCentralJersey.com. "All he kept on doing was saying he had civil rights, and the Constitution, and he didn't have to give me information. And I kind of like lost my temper … It was just a stupid statement on my part.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2014, 10:53:26 AM

Your weekly Sunday morning McCain war-boner status check: FULLY ENGORGED PER THE USUAL

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mccain-obama-stay-iraq

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 04:32:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0yVcEOjWOA

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2014, 05:12:37 AM

:umad

(http://i.imgur.com/b5Ql9ZS.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 06:50:39 AM

So you're saying it's in my best interests to get pregnant and abort as many times as possible in a year?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2014, 07:33:44 AM

Since you aren't employed I assume your AGI is pretty low, so you might easily exceed the 10% threshold if you were a frequent flyer at Cash 4 Reproductive Freedom in your tax year.

Not sure you have enough other itemizable deductions to use a Schedule A doe. :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 07:49:26 AM

I'm employed, just not in a capacity that produces anything of value for society. Can I somehow deduct that from my taxes? Or Amazon Prime? I've been watching a lot of Star Trek while at work through that. Is there some kind of Shatner Consumption Deduction? And if not, why not?

What if my abortions are work related?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2014, 08:29:17 AM

If I were preparing a sex worker's return I'd take abortion costs as self-employment expenses.

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I'd probably bury them in another category or give them a very opaque description, however.

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As for your situation, if you could demonstrate that watching Star Trek was necessary to the conduct of your self-employment (e.g. you run a profitable Star Trek fansite) you could probably deduct the subscription. I work on a musician's LLC and they (legitimately) deduct shit like Netflix and console online subscription costs.

One of the sample questions I grinded through today was something like "Which one of these people has to report this money as income for tax purposes?" and the right answer was a politician accepting a bribe. Now that's a Schedule C I'd like to see. :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2014, 08:53:39 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 04:32:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0yVcEOjWOA

Graham is such a toad. I think he genuinely wants that to happen, so that he and McCain can get America back to blowing up a bunch of brown people.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2014, 09:10:13 AM

Quote from: Sarah Palin

"We believe -- wait, I thought fast food joints -- don't you guys think that they're like of the devil or something?" Palin said. "Liberals, you want to send those evil employees who would dare work at a fast food joint that you just don't believe in -- I don't know, I thought you wanted to send them to purgatory or something. So they all go vegan. And wages and picket lines, I don't know, they're not often discussed in purgatory are they? I don't know, why are you even worried about fast food wages? Well, we believe -- an America where minimum wage jobs, they're not lifetime gigs, they're stepping stones to sustainable wages. It teaches work ethic."

Take that, liberals. :smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 10:32:01 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5ogJjmgpLM

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2014, 11:34:34 AM

Use your words, Sarah.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2014, 12:43:59 PM

Glad I picked up the yearly subscription for $100, that's just not worth $10 a month.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 11, 2014, 01:12:42 PM

That wasn't a live thing either, they obviously thought that was the best Palin could do.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2014, 01:18:30 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 04:32:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0yVcEOjWOA

Graham is like those libertards (no offense Benji) who predict hyper inflation every year. One day he might be right, but saying the same thing for a decade and being wrong doesn't make you a a fucking prophet. The careless fear mongering is pretty damn ugly, and it's a shame no one ever calls him out.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 01:32:18 PM

If you're good enough nobody ever remembers your wrong predictions. And never admit defeat. Paul Ehrlich hasn't so neither should you!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2014, 01:50:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2014, 01:18:30 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 11, 2014, 04:32:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0yVcEOjWOA

Graham is like those libertards (no offense Benji) who predict hyper inflation every year. One day he might be right, but saying the same thing for a decade and being wrong doesn't make you a a fucking prophet. The careless fear mongering is pretty damn ugly, and it's a shame no one ever calls him out.

...no one?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/joe-scarborough-republicans-iraq-bitch-moan

(http://i.imgur.com/mhkKGso.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2014, 02:49:53 PM

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-08-13-at-4.53.57-AM.png)

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Screen-Shot-2014-08-13-at-4.59.53-AM.png)

http://wonkette.com/556987/fox-troll-why-isnt-obama-apologizing-to-cop-who-murdered-unarmed-michael-brown

:smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 13, 2014, 05:05:56 PM

Condolences for the cop? What would that entail?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2014, 09:08:52 PM

"Sorry that colored fella got in the way of your bullets, officer."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2014, 01:08:37 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/fox-keith-ablow-michelle-obama-109985.html

Quote

Fox News psychiatrist Keith Ablow does not think that first lady Michelle Obama is a fit role model on fitness, calling the first lady “two-faced” on Wednesday.

“I do dislike hypocrisy and I really do believe that people speaking about diet should be role models themselves, and I’m not sure if the first lady is that role model,” Ablow said in an interview.

Ablow’s criticisms of Obama’s weight drew backlash Tuesday, after Ablow, who is a member of Fox News’ “Medical A-Team,” said on “Outnumbered” that the first lady needed to “drop a few” pounds. The first lady has been known for her initiative “Let’s Move!” that works toward ending childhood obesity.

“I’m not taking food advice from an American who dislikes America, who in many photographs during her tenure as first lady is obviously not fit, and who has a record of saying things that show that she’s two-faced,” Ablow said Wednesday. “This should be obvious; I don’t know why it isn’t.”

Ablow is standing by his comments and saying that people “should be less sensitive about talking about [weight].”

One reason for his criticism, he says, relates to consistency.

“It happens to be the case that the first lady during her tenure has not been consistently a picture of fitness,” he said. “That’s all, it is just a fact.”

Reasons such as consistency have led Ablow to label the first lady as a hypocrite. On Tuesday, Fox News meteorologist Janice Dean wrote on Twitter, “Dear @keithablow please keep your comments about women ‘dropping a few’ to yourself. Sincerely, all women.”

Ablow responded over Twitter on Wednesday, writing, “@JaniceDean, I simply dislike hypocrisy. Sincerely, all TRUTH-tellers.”

The first lady’s office declined to comment.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2014, 01:14:55 AM

Ablow is one of the most genuinely hateful people on TV.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2014, 01:45:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_V4lRdtjo

old but i haven't seen it so it's new to me

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 14, 2014, 06:48:44 PM

This is somewhat tangentially related to politics, so I figure this is a more appropriate place to put it than the random links thread.

https://sarahpalinchannel.com/updates/a-moving-conservative-movie/

I know she's an easy target, but I think this is perfect. Pretty much gold from start to finish. A hilarious shoehorning of Reagan into the review, a completely irrelevant hunger games reference, the last minute troll of Meryl Streep - it's perfect.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2014, 07:30:11 PM

Quote

Texas Gov. Rick Perry has been indicted for abuse of power over a threat to veto prosecutors' funding, the Associated Press reported Friday.

Oops.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 15, 2014, 08:29:31 PM

thanks benji, I needed a laugh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2014, 09:18:43 PM

What a thug. White criminal culture rears its ugly head once again.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on August 15, 2014, 09:22:33 PM

I like how he's started sporting black-rimmed glasses these days. Can't abandon the cowboy persona fast enough for the national level. Didn't one of the Pauls give him a hard time about it too?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 10:07:57 PM

Wendy Davis-mentum?  :leon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 16, 2014, 07:39:32 PM

Dumb tax thing: even though some service providers to a business are not common-law employees for tax purposes (i.e. they are independent contractors), they may be considered employees by statute for FICA and FUTA (nobody make that joke :comeon) purposes.

OK that makes sense, in some industries there are pervasive compliance problems and the IRS loves it some payroll taxes.

One of these types of statutory employees is a driver who delivers beverages. idk anything about that industry, but it's food service and probably involves a lot of cash so I can see why they'd get singled out. (Your "eat local" eatery in yuppie lebensraum that sells fair trade food or w/e bullshit product differentiation people lap up these days to assuage their conscience is bent to hell when it comes to paying its payroll taxes, just an FYI.)

But, if the driver who delivers beverages only delivers milk, they aren't statutory employees; they're just independent contractors.

WHY DO MILK TRUCK DRIVERS GET TREATED DIFFERENTLY AND WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW THIS. (http://i.imgur.com/LcIn5SV.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 16, 2014, 07:47:25 PM

Lobby work, I guess.

We got dairy farmers in Europe demonstrating whenever the EU is too slow or too stingy with the subsidies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 16, 2014, 08:08:30 PM

Does it matter what animal the milk is from? What if they haul soy milk or almond milk, does that count?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 16, 2014, 10:01:49 PM

Quote from: Yeti on August 16, 2014, 08:08:30 PM

Does it matter what animal the milk is from? What if they haul soy milk or almond milk, does that count?

I'd have to review the exact text of the relevant legislation to know for certain, but I doubt it.

We may have just stumbled onto a good scheme Yeti. :ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2014, 12:19:16 AM

Don't go digging into the U.S. Code about milk. Trust me.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2014, 12:40:15 AM

FINE:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDs6otWyLpk

Quote

Obama food safety chief and former Monsanto lawyer Michael R. Taylor today defended the FDA’s sting operations and armed raids against raw milk producers, including Pennsylvania Amish farmer Dan Allgyer, who is facing an injunction for selling milk across state lines. None of Allgyer’s milk was contaminated. The agency’s actions are likely to put him out of business.

“We believe we’re doing our job,” Taylor said at a presentation at the Ogilvy Washington public affairs group. He promised to “keep doing our public health job,” and described his agency’s campaign against raw milk producers as based on a “public health duty” and “statutory directive.”

Taylor said he had a “quibble” with the notion that the agency is spending too much of its resources targeting boutique raw milk producers even as huge contamination outbreaks have occurred among large Iowa egg farms and elsewhere.

The FDA is in the midst of writing the critical regulations that will implement the Food Safety Modernization Act Congress passed last year with applause all around from the Obama administration, Democrats and Republicans despite ferocious opposition from small-farm advocates. The sweeping new law gives the agency extraordinary powers to detain foods on farms. It also denies farmers recourse to federal courts.

On July 3, the agency will issue its new rule to detain any food it believes is unsafe, or, more critically, “mislabeled.” In Allgyer’s case, the entire FDA case rests on a technical violation of a ban on interstate commerce in raw milk and alleged mislabeling.

Before the new law, the FDA could only impound food when it had credible evidence the food was contaminated or posed a public health hazard. The detention powers are part of what Taylor described as a new agency focus on preventing food poisoning outbreaks rather than responding to them after the fact. Taylor described the new law as giving the agency “farm to table” control over food safety.

Taylor outlined an aggressive approach, saying he would seek a “high rate of compliance” with new food safety rules, touted the agency’s “whole new inspection and compliance tool kit,” including access to farm records, mandatory recall authority, and enforcement actions that can be accomplished administratively, “without having to go to court.” He said the agency can now also revoke a farm’s mandatory registration (also a new requirement under the law), meaning the FDA can put any farm it finds in violation of any food safety rule out of business.

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The owner of a Venice health food market and two other people were arrested on charges related to the allegedly unlawful production and sale of unpasteurized dairy products, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County district attorney's office said.

The arrests of James Cecil Stewart, Sharon Ann Palmer and Eugenie Bloch on Wednesday marked the latest effort in a government crackdown on the sale of so-called raw dairy products.


Prosecutors in Los Angeles alleged that Stewart, 64, operates a Venice market called Rawesome Foods through which he illegally sold dairy products that did not meet health standards because they were unpasteurized or were produced at unlicensed facilities.

Palmer, 51, has operated Healthy Family Farms in Santa Paula since 2007 without the required licensing for milk production, prosecutors allege. She and her company face nine charges related to the production of unpasteurized milk products.

Bloch, a Healthy Family Farms employee, is charged with three counts of conspiracy.

The arrests followed a one-year investigation during which undercover agents purchased unpasteurized dairy products from Healthy Family Farms stands in Los Angeles, Ventura and Santa Barbara counties, said Matthew Krasnowski, a district attorney spokesman. The products included unpasteurized goat milk, cheese and yogurt.

...

In June 2010 investigators raided the Venice grocery store, seizing stacks of unmarked jugs of raw milk, cartons of raw goat and cow milk, and blocks of unpasteurized goat cheese, among other grocery items. Regulators alleged that Rawesome broke the law by failing to have the proper permits to sell food to the public.

Still, no arrests were made and Rawesome reopened the same week. Stewart said at the time that Rawesome didn't need such permits because it wasn't technically a retailer. He contended that the store was a private club whose members paid an annual fee and service charges to obtain products directly from farmers.

While the raid was taking place in Venice, another was occurring at Palmer's Healthy Family Farms in Ventura County. There, California agriculture officials said, the farm owner's milk processing plant had not met standards to obtain a license to sell raw milk or raw milk products. Shortly after the raid, Palmer was back in business.

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With no warning one weekday morning, investigators entered an organic grocery with a search warrant and ordered the hemp-clad workers to put down their buckets of mashed coconut cream and to step away from the nuts.

Then, guns drawn, four officers fanned out across Rawesome Foods in Venice. Skirting past the arugula and peering under crates of zucchini, they found the raid’s target inside a walk-in refrigerator: unmarked jugs of raw milk.

Quote

A yearlong sting operation, including aliases, a 5 a.m. surprise inspection and surreptitious purchases from an Amish farm in Pennsylvania, culminated in the federal government announcing this week that it has gone to court to stop Rainbow Acres Farm from selling its contraband to willing customers in the Washington area.

...

According to the complaint the FDA filed in court, the agency began to look into Mr. Allgyer’s farm in late 2009, when an investigator in their Baltimore office used aliases to sign up for a Yahoo user group for Rainbow Acres‘ customers, and began to place orders under the assumed names for unpasteurized milk.

The orders were delivered to private residences in Maryland, where the investigator, whose name was not disclosed in the documents, would pick them up. By crossing state lines the milk became part of interstate commerce, thus subject to the FDA’s ban on interstate sales of raw milk. The court papers note that the jugs of milk were not labeled - another violation of FDA regulations.

Armed with that information, investigators visited the farm in February 2010, but Mr. Allgyer turned them away. They returned two months later with a warrant, U.S. marshals and a state police trooper, arriving at 5 a.m. for what Mr. Allgyer’s backers called a “raid,” but the FDA said was a lawful inspection.

The investigators said they saw coolers labeled with Maryland town names, and the coolers appeared to contain dairy products. The inspection led to an April 20, 2010, letter from FDA telling Mr. Allgyer to stop selling across state lines.

He instead formed a club and had customers sign an agreement stating they supported his operation, weren’t trying to entrap the owners, and that they would be shareholders in the farm’s produce, paying only for the farmer’s labor.

(http://www.silverdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/swat-milk-raid.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2014, 12:42:49 AM

But seriously there's all sorts of crazy milk-related laws on the books dating back to like the 1930's or earlier.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on August 17, 2014, 01:27:30 AM

I wonder how they feel about the fact that calcium intake is mostly useless and doesn't do much for your body?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 17, 2014, 07:42:10 AM

Define "calcium intake".

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 17, 2014, 10:32:26 AM

Quote from: Esch on August 17, 2014, 12:45:35 AM

Raw milk low key rustles the most libertarian jimmies. The thought of the state denying children some fat soluble vitamins is unforgivable.

:rejoice

You gotta admit doe, the idea that a yearlong undercover investigation of unpasteurized dairy products took place is conceptually hilarious.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2014, 11:37:26 AM

Quote from: Karakand on August 17, 2014, 10:32:26 AM

You gotta admit doe, the idea that a yearlong undercover investigation of unpasteurized dairy products took place is conceptually hilarious.

Procedures were followed.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm imagining some guy who is like real pumped for an undercover mission and he gets this. And then he's going around the store picking up cheeses, constantly checking his six, avoiding eye contact, sweating and holding his breath. Trying to use hippie health food lingo he's memorized. Then trying to act all casual as he goes out to his car and once he gets in letting out this huge sigh of relief that he didn't get made.

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 17, 2014, 11:49:39 AM

It's probably because I've been watching too much espionage entertainment lately, but I was imagining how lying to people for a year whose crime was being loopy organic food proponents and peddlers  slowly hollowed out the undercover agent--destroying their personal relationships, maybe costing them a marriage or partner. Donnie Brasco shit over milk, basically. :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2014, 11:52:46 AM

He samples some and then gets addicted, starts hiding it, trying to replace it in evidence before he gets found out. Comes home to see his wife and daughter eating some and snaps, screaming at them and wrecking up the place before tearfully admitting his addiction. Another helpless victim of the game.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2014, 11:55:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 17, 2014, 11:52:46 AM

He samples some and then gets addicted, starts hiding it, trying to replace it in evidence before he gets found out. Comes home to see his wife and daughter eating some and snaps, screaming at them and wrecking up the place before tearfully admitting his addiction. Another helpless victim of the game.

Just another day in Obama's America

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2014, 01:40:31 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 17, 2014, 12:12:18 PM

I've had nonpasteurized milk before. I have to admit it's :lawd

(http://i.imgur.com/HQkdZye.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2014, 09:07:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfgSEwjAeno

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2014, 03:08:34 PM

I generally dislike Colin Cowherd quite a bit, but this is hilarious:

Quote from: Colin Cowherd

Being aggressive in one way or another has always been at the heart of NASCAR. This is a settle-the-score sport. I mean, think about this, even in this country, where's the death penalty, an eye-for-an-eye, pass? Mississippi, Arkansas, Texas, Louisiana, Georgia, Alabama. It's just a different culture. And if you don't live in it, it's us against them. The Confederate flag. People in the South often call northerners Yankees. I kid you not. I heard it when I lived there. I didn't understand it. It's more divided. And NASCAR is, it is very southern, it is very pick a side. It's the culture of car racin', which is a very southern eye-for-an-eye culture.

And in response to that:

Quote from: Mike Huckabee

Really? So this guy thinks that the death of Kevin Ward is because of a southern culture? OK, since Ward is a native of New York and Stewart's from Indiana, I guess I'm not getting the geographical connection. But as a proud southerner, I take offense that some guy whose name rhymes with cow turd trying to blame southerners for a testosterone-fueled feud between two Yankee drivers.

Wait, I thought Huckabee was all about blaming various problems on a group's "culture." :neogaf :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2014, 03:13:06 PM

Huckabee has admitted to eating fried squirrel, he's the last person the south needs defending them...

:hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2014, 03:16:42 PM

cow turd  :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2014, 03:17:47 PM

sorry, can't agree with Cowherd on anything. dude is horrible

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2014, 03:20:36 PM

It's not like he's Skip Bayless or anything

:comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2014, 03:22:43 PM

Skip Bayless is a national treasure. I would like everything he's ever produced put in the Library of Congress.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2014, 03:23:38 PM

Especially this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAkVnlA9CJo

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 18, 2014, 04:24:04 PM

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/oalmeybwhyynyi0kwolw.jpg)

Testicle fortitude.  :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 19, 2014, 02:09:32 AM

Those hand painted testicles are very detailed. It's curious that the artist would try to make them look photorealistic when he just went with a crude caricature for his picture of Obama.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 19, 2014, 08:42:00 AM

Judging by the homophobia of many conservatives, those aren't even human testicles. Probably modeled after cows or truck nuts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on August 19, 2014, 10:04:33 AM

Compton school saftey officers allowed to carry AR-15s

http://www.losangelesregister.com/articles/school-603585-police-officers.html

Compton school police authorized to carry assault rifles

The topic of police and heavy firepower continued Monday, not because of another shooting but because students at Compton Unified School District returned to school with officers permitted to carry assault rifles.

During the summer, school board officials approved a measure that would allow qualifying campus police officers to carry AR-15 semi-automatic rifles in their vehicles while on duty.

Officials with the Los Angeles School Police Department, which serves schools in the L.A. Unified School District, have said none of the rifles are stored on school grounds. They would only be deployed to schools as part of an emergency response, chief Steve Zipperman said.

Some community members think the new measures will make students feel uncomfortable rather than safe from others.

“It sends the wrong message to students: like [police] see students as potential threats,” said Francisco Orozco, a Dominguez High School graduate and founder of the Compton Democratic Club. “Students might feel more distrusted by the district.”

Compton Unified Police Chief William Wu introduced the idea to the board at a July 8 meeting where he argued that officers were underequipped for mass shootings and suspects who wear body armor, according to meeting documents.

“This is our objective – save lives, bottom line,” Wu told the board.

He cited an FBI study that showed around 5 percent of mass shooters wore body armor. Standard handguns aren’t equipped to take down a suspect wearing such armor. They also can’t shoot far enough, he said.

“A rifle allows accurate fire….at up to 100 yards,” Wu said.

Officers would have to meet criteria to carry rifles including: going through training, passing interviews and being recommended by a supervisor. They would also have to purchase the rifles themselves.

The Los Angeles School Police Department is one of a few school districts across California that does deploy high-powered rifles to officers as needed.

Orozco, 23, of Compton argued that preparing for mass shootings and acquiring rifles is “paranoia.” He said school officials could do better by acquiring more security guards and ensuring that campus counselors communicate with police officers about potentially violent students.

“These aren’t jails, they’re institutions of education.”

Wu said only select officers would be able to participate in the new measure. It is anticipated to start next month.

Staff writer Fermin Leal contributed to this report.

Contact the writer: afausto@losangelesregister.com

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 19, 2014, 10:55:26 AM

Make it normal to see weapons in schools, ameri-brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2014, 10:58:17 AM

I'm not opposed to guards in schools with weapons but a fucking AR-15? How does that help someone stop one shooter in a sea of innocent people? More than likely you'll end up spraying random people.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 19, 2014, 11:12:01 AM

Who needs to bring guns to school when they are already there? Have a buddy distract that fat fucker with a donut and grab the AR for yourself.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 19, 2014, 12:39:19 PM

That crap is coming to the Southland now? We even fucked in Commiefornia.

Also sad to see the Los Angeles Register actually up and running. Their radio ad campaign was obnoxious as shit and their parent company generally publishes trash (e.g. the Orange County Register).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2014, 12:33:27 AM

what a thug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 20, 2014, 03:12:37 AM

I thought you weren't allowed to smile during mugshots, let alone smirk

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2014, 09:01:18 AM

Quote from: Esch on August 20, 2014, 12:36:35 AM

just a product of his environment

:smug

Straight Outta Sugar Land

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 20, 2014, 10:16:12 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/19/flushing-money-down-the-tea-party-toilet.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2014, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: Yeti on August 20, 2014, 03:12:37 AM

I thought you weren't allowed to smile during mugshots, let alone smirk

Cac privilege.

(http://i.imgur.com/j5YETUS.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 20, 2014, 04:51:50 PM

It's probably a bad habit because of audit trails in accounting programs but I like to look through company political contributions when I'm in an entity's books. Since California hasn't had competitive legislative (state and federal) elections in an eternity it cracks me up to see Southland archconservatives donating to local Democrats because their need for political influence is greater than their need for ideological purity.

Esch would have a field day hounding this lot. :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 22, 2014, 01:50:15 PM

Time to impeach!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/goa-pentagon-broke-law-bergdahl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 22, 2014, 01:58:29 PM

"Send this traitor back to Micronesia and bring back our terrorists!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2014, 02:38:31 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 22, 2014, 01:50:15 PM

Time to impeach!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/goa-pentagon-broke-law-bergdahl

:badass

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 22, 2014, 06:20:00 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2014, 11:12:16 AM

Quote from: Yeti on August 20, 2014, 03:12:37 AM

I thought you weren't allowed to smile during mugshots, let alone smirk

Cac privilege.

(http://i.imgur.com/j5YETUS.jpg)

On that note, Bieber recently got a Canadian border guard fired.

He and his entourage was trying to enter Canada from the States, and several of his peeps had criminal records, and were going to be declared inadmissable.  Bieber apparently bribed her with $10k worth of backstage pass goodies to his next show.

It came out, because the next time he tried to enter, he tried the same thing, but this guard didn't bite.  So he and/or his entourage goes "THIS IS BULLSHIT, THE OTHER ONE WAS FINE WITH IT" and the border guard was all "O RLY?  Tell me more"   :lol


edit:  anyway, up here in the north, I don't think that we have a policy for subjects not to smile in mugshot photos.  It's just that "normal people" who are arrested generally aren't in the mood to flash a smile for the camera.  (and haven't been trained to flash a smile in a Pavlovian response whenever a camera is pointed at them) ;)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 22, 2014, 06:24:07 PM

:beli @ that first guard.

What fun is there in not being a celebrity if you can't use protocol to hassle celebrities? :ufup

I once made Warren G wait in line to buy floppy disks like every other pleb on the planet. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on August 22, 2014, 06:33:55 PM

Quote from: Karakand on August 22, 2014, 06:24:07 PM

:beli @ that first guard.

What fun is there in not being a celebrity if you can't use protocol to hassle celebrities? :ufup

I KNOW, RIGHT?  :picard

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 22, 2014, 06:57:21 PM

:beli

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/22/ferguson-calm-officer-support/14439979/

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Crowdfunding for Ferguson officer tops out at $235K

FERGUSON, Mo. -- As calm remained Friday on the streets where Michael Brown's death brought angry protests, fundraising for the officer who killed the teen ended after more than a quarter of a million dollars was collected.

A crowdfunding page created for Darren Wilson raised $235,010 from 5,902 people before organizers stopped accepting donations Friday after reaching their goal in four days.

"We stand behind Officer Darren Wilson and his family during this trying time in their lives," thepage on the gofundme site said. "All proceeds will be sent directly to Darren Wilson and his family for any financial needs they may have including legal fees."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on August 22, 2014, 06:58:35 PM

White people :stahp

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2014, 09:44:10 PM

Huh, didn't know that shooting unarmed black teens could be so lucrative!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2014, 09:55:37 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2014, 09:44:10 PM

Huh, didn't know that shooting unarmed black teens could be so lucrative!

Guess you weren't paying attention during the Zimmerman trial.  :fbm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on August 22, 2014, 10:28:43 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2014, 09:55:37 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 22, 2014, 09:44:10 PM

Huh, didn't know that shooting unarmed black teens could be so lucrative!

Guess you weren't paying attention during the Zimmerman trial.  :fbm

Coon Hunter, Tuesdays on AMC.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 23, 2014, 08:12:44 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/schultz-golf-helps-obama-clear-mind-110269.html

 :lol who gives a shit, what the fuck was he supposed to do go over there and find the beheaders himself? Go have a cry for a while?

The 24/7 news channels/cycle has contributed so much to the Imperial Presidency, at this point I think even the reporters believe the President is a god-king who does everything rather than being basically the CEO of the largest organization on Earth of which most of it operates independently and continuously.

Back when Bush first was getting hammered for golfing DURING A WAR he should have shut it down with some bullshit about how we don't live in fear of them, blah blah blah, now watch this drive. Then Obama and every subsequent President could cite that.

I recently read the rest of this book:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51H4c0I9kpL.jpg)

One of the things I took away, but the author oddly didn't, was how many precedents were set by the "forgotten" because they had nothing to lose politically, that later popular Presidents were able to build off of to utilize. He also ignored a lot of the failures, which was strange considering the emphasis he put on Jimmy Carter's blunders in terms of trying to be his own Chief of Staff and remove the "pomp" of the Presidency. Reagan's team recognized that people love that shit, but they wanted a less aloof or elitist or insider figure to the Presidency, so you play up dumb shit that's irrelevant but looks fancy.

One other good example that he didn't tie in because he was looking more at successes was that Taft actually enforced the Anti-Trust Act by the letter of the law and more vigorously, which pissed off Teddy because he preferred the law being used to benefit himself by being more selective, and that Taft didn't understand this because he thought the job of the President was to enforce the law, whereas Teddy had a more forward looking vision of the Presidency as a political organ.

This vacation stuff is kinda a legacy of that. Obama can hang out in Martha's Vineyard and the government doesn't change how it operates, the change is the relation between the President and media, he's less immediately accessible. So they create this impression that he's not aware of Furgeson or ISIS or the BORDER CRISIS because he's not commenting on it. The only "different" action he can take by coming back to D.C. (since he can issue orders from anywhere) is to have a press conference or give a speech at the White House. In other words, those optics. Nothing changes but that he makes comments in a specific forum. Which the media and a lot of politicos seem to associate with actual action.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 09:21:12 AM

In somewhat good news, Bank of America agreed to a $16.65 billion settlement with the government and essentially admitted that their illegal actions helped tank the economy in 2008. The bad news is, none of the people there are going to jail [though at least that possibility was not precluded by the settlement].

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 24, 2014, 01:45:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 09:21:12 AM

In somewhat good news, Bank of America agreed to a $16.65 billion settlement with the government and essentially admitted that their illegal actions helped tank the economy in 2008. The bad news is, none of the people there are going to jail [though at least that possibility was not precluded by the settlement].

Paying a 16 Billion dollar penalty to make > 16 Billion? Yeah seems like a deterrent.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 02:20:01 PM

Quote from: ronito on August 24, 2014, 01:45:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 09:21:12 AM

In somewhat good news, Bank of America agreed to a $16.65 billion settlement with the government and essentially admitted that their illegal actions helped tank the economy in 2008. The bad news is, none of the people there are going to jail [though at least that possibility was not precluded by the settlement].

Paying a 16 Billion dollar penalty to make > 16 Billion? Yeah seems like a deterrent.

The only reliable deterrent would be putting bankers behind bars, but that's not gonna happen.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 24, 2014, 04:57:58 PM

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on August 24, 2014, 11:14:24 AM

So in another words, you regulated the regulator?

No, that was when I went :comeon when he tried to pay for the floppies with a hundo after already cleaning out my cash drawer by paying for CD-Rs with another hundo and told him he had to pay with a smaller denomination bill.

No one thinks you're gangster in South Orange County if you whip a wad of hundos out (from your sock), if you're not white they probably think you just can't get credit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 25, 2014, 08:57:21 PM

I just heard some conservative talking about how Obamacare is deeply flawed because EVEN ORACLE couldn't implement a technical system to do it. (because Oregon is suing Oracle for their failed implementation of a healthcare exchange)

(http://i.imgur.com/akPMH.gif)

I laughed until I had tears in my eyes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2014, 02:44:59 AM

Sheriff Joe's fundraising pitch:

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Our country is under attack.

And Barack Obama is the aggressor. That’s right. Our own President has overseen the release of thousands of illegal immigrants…hundreds of whom are convicted criminals – even felons, which are flooding into America.

Every day you read the newspaper or turn on the news, there is something tragic happening, something Obama says is beyond our control.

But I must tell you: the state of the U.S. – Mexican border IS NOT BEYOND OUR CONTROL. In fact, it’s one of the key places where the safety of our nation starts. AND I am working around the clock to take criminals off the streets. Will you support my reelection campaign with a $15 or more donation right now?

Every action Obama has taken since the border crisis began has led to an increase in the flood of men, women, children, AND CRIMINALS! The icing on the cake…Obama’s solution is holding events at the White House “honoring young adults who came to this country illegally.”

HE IS REWARDING CRIMINALS! We are arresting them just to have the Obama administration release them the next day!

Over the past seven months, I have compiled the statistics of over 3,000 inmates in my jail for various crimes that are here illegally. Over 36% of these illegals come back many times after they are turned over to the federal government for deportation.

But if they’re coming back at such an alarming rate, either our border is so porous or the federal government is releasing them out the back door. Either way is unacceptable! I have written every month to the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security about this and just last week I sent a letter to the Inspector General’s office asking for an investigation. You know what I got back? Nothing. Nada. Zilch.

Even the mainstream media is completely ignoring this problem.

If we lose control over our own borders and the rule of law no longer matters in the courts, then I fear our great American experiment will draw to a close. In Arizona alone, more than 1,000 illegal immigrants are being dropped off at bus stations in Phoenix and Tucson alone. We now have U.S. Border Patrol agents moving illegal immigrants from one city to another in our United States.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 26, 2014, 08:18:09 AM

Sheriff Joe is a pretty despicable person, and not just on account of being a gigantic racist.

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As of June, 2014, costs to Maricopa County taxpayers related to Arpaio's and Thomas's failed corruption investigations exceeded $45 million, not including staff time.

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2014, 11:47:49 AM

1. Give a 9-year-old an uzi
2. Have her fire off one shot in single-shot mode
3. LET'S GOT FULL-AUTO

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/video-shows-girl-moments-before-shooting-instructor-arizona

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2014, 12:00:25 PM

Guns don't kill people, 9 year-olds kill people.  :gun

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2014, 12:30:46 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 27, 2014, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 02:20:01 PM

Quote from: ronito on August 24, 2014, 01:45:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 09:21:12 AM

In somewhat good news, Bank of America agreed to a $16.65 billion settlement with the government and essentially admitted that their illegal actions helped tank the economy in 2008. The bad news is, none of the people there are going to jail [though at least that possibility was not precluded by the settlement].

Paying a 16 Billion dollar penalty to make > 16 Billion? Yeah seems like a deterrent.

The only reliable deterrent would be putting bankers behind bars, but that's not gonna happen.

They also wrote that it's "punishing bankers for the sins of politicians".

Bank of America admitted wrong-doing, though. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 27, 2014, 12:42:51 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2014, 12:30:46 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 27, 2014, 12:26:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 02:20:01 PM

Quote from: ronito on August 24, 2014, 01:45:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2014, 09:21:12 AM

In somewhat good news, Bank of America agreed to a $16.65 billion settlement with the government and essentially admitted that their illegal actions helped tank the economy in 2008. The bad news is, none of the people there are going to jail [though at least that possibility was not precluded by the settlement].

Paying a 16 Billion dollar penalty to make > 16 Billion? Yeah seems like a deterrent.

The only reliable deterrent would be putting bankers behind bars, but that's not gonna happen.

They also wrote that it's "punishing bankers for the sins of politicians".

Bank of America admitted wrong-doing, though. :heh

Only because the evil politician man made them.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2014, 12:56:05 PM

Depends on the district. If you were from an inner city school you'd probably be fucked by limited resources and stressed teachers.

Common Core looks meh in some regards; some of the math problems are ridiculous. But the idea that it's a federal takeover seems ludicrous. Jindal is running for president, which is the lens you have to view this shit through.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2014, 01:04:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2014, 12:56:05 PM

some of the math problems are ridiculous.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BVpl9_vIEAAqVHG.jpg:large)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDFSeP0CcAAdo_o.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BDFSx_RCIAA6BQa.jpg)

I think Twitchy or something was posting a bunch of these for a while. They were blaming Common Core, but most of them probably never looked at their kid's textbooks until they were upset about it and Obama. A lot of textbooks/methods have been horrible forever.

History textbooks are constantly being found full of basic errors mostly because of how they're written.

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 27, 2014, 12:53:06 PM

I have to admit that none of our education struggles have ever made sense to me. Why is it such a challenge producing literate high school graduates who can do math and know a few things about science and history? Maybe I just had good teachers, but I read all the classics, learned the whitewashed version of US history pretty thoroughly, and passed math classes all the way through calculus without much issue. The curriculum worked. TBH I have no idea what public schools have been doing for the last few decades.

Or...you worked.

Mass education has little to do with the students now. Especially since it's designed to eliminate flexibility and thus deflect blame. While employing a huge administration that doesn't make any actual decisions. If I'm a 4th grade teacher and you tell me students coming in will know A,B,C and going out will know X,Y,Z this tells me nothing about individual students and if they have or are gaining any of this. And my time with them is limited and all my incentives are directed towards getting them through my grade and onto the next one. If I create a lesson plan that fixes the problems that come to me and puts them out well ahead of schedule, I'm going to get slapped down and draw the ire of my coworkers more because I'm interfering with the "process" than anything else.

It's why the much worshiped French system of being able to know what sentence every student is on at that very moment is the ideal. Endless amounts of process and deferred blame and as long as you can get the collective numbers to meet an arbitrary guideline then why would you threaten the entire system to help lagging OR advanced students?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 27, 2014, 01:31:18 PM

Common core math is a joke. It's more confusing than educational. 2+2=4! Pretty straight forward stuff. No one gives a shit how you got the first 2! Especially a second grader.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2014, 01:55:49 PM

That's the thing I really don't understand, all of the rest of it fits right in with stupid modern education theories, but why do we need an explanation for the 2. What's wrong with just "ASSUME YOU HAVE TWO"? Nobody asks "where did it come from?" And if they do just say "from President Obama like all of life's blessings, PBUH, may he smite the Republican devils."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2014, 02:34:57 PM

Quote from: AWESOM-O on August 27, 2014, 02:23:39 PM

My elementary school math education consisted of doing hundreds and hundreds of problems, and it seemed to work.

Not everyone has a 160 IQ tho, breh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 27, 2014, 06:21:36 PM

I'm completely lost by the way common core tries to teach math, and I'm really good at math. I guess it might work if that's how you teach them from the get go, but I'm lost.

I guess that's what I get for only having a 154 IQ

:tocry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on August 27, 2014, 07:56:38 PM

How come you all know your IQ?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 28, 2014, 12:01:50 AM

Quote from: Rufus on August 27, 2014, 07:56:38 PM

How come you all know your IQ?

Cuz they're fukken nerds m8.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 12:05:54 AM

My IQ is 100 for am I one with the class and will not parade any excess intellectual capital I have stolen from the working class in front of everyone.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 28, 2014, 12:13:00 AM

#notallproles

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 28, 2014, 01:04:02 AM

Quote from: Rufus on August 27, 2014, 07:56:38 PM

How come you all know your IQ?

That was my IQ at like 12 or 13. Too bad I was officially classified as "troubled youth" or I could have gone to all sorts of smart kids schools!

I took a test a couple years ago and it was only like 137 or something. So, the answer to "what kind of damage can 15 years of alcohol and drug abuse do to the human mind?" is "about 17 IQ points."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 28, 2014, 01:56:54 AM

I had my IQ tested when I was younger because they thought I was mentally handicapped and put me in "resource" english (remedial classes).
Turns out I qualified for Mensa Jr, and I wasn't distinguished mentally-challenged, I had a hard time with the language because, you know, it was my second language.

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and english is a stupid language

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 28, 2014, 02:13:04 AM

Is benji me in the Mirror Universe or am I benji in the Mirror Universe?

(http://i.imgur.com/9ifZ7Jp.png)

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Economic determinism is vulgar Marxism. (http://i.imgur.com/7Mo5RG8.png)

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 02:42:24 AM

I always forget, I use "Marxism" (well, when seriously) to mostly refer to Marxist history and historiography. It's a habit I need to break.

But I did go through a "political evolution" that always involved dancing around the legitimacy of the state until I couldn't prevent the logic anymore. The closest I got to a "mainstream anything" was a short period of basically Ron Paul Republicanism in the early 2000s. And arguing with people who were posting things against the Iraq War by citing UN resolutions, the 1991 ceasefire and other stuff they couldn't argue against because they only knew the "WAR FOR OIL" talking points, even though my real position was more of a "if we're going to fuck with Iraq, let's just get rid of Saddam and drop it already" sort of "war to end war" stance that I'm somewhat ashamed of having taken.

It's probably not valid for me to ever refer to a Marxist period since I've always had a problem with the part where we establish a dictatorship of the proletariat and then the state withers away. And Marx's explanation for this underpants gnomes logic was "IT'S SCIENCE!" Then I read either Bakunin or Kropotkin (forget which first) and I was forever like lol Marx  :heh

Hayek's Road to Serfdom is probably the most influential on me though because the construction he uses got me to put together the pieces of the Pretense of Knowledge which goes back to the whole Socrates or whoever's "knowing what you don't know" which sort of dismantled all the "standard ideologies" and left me vulnerable to the anarchist temptations. So other than Hayek and the Federalist Papers I suppose, I took somewhat of a backwards path into finding more in the company of Mises, Rothbard, Nozick, etc. Which is probably how I avoided Rand since her gibberish is so hostile to their more peaceful (other than Rothbard) and logic-based thinking.

Though in practice I'm an evolutionist not a revolutionist, I just think people need to be reminded of their underlying principles from time to time. You know so that once we've established they're a whore for the state we can negotiate prices.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 28, 2014, 03:11:33 AM

Origin stories. :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 03:27:11 AM

I had a friend in high school who called himself a Leninist-Maoist.

His primary and maybe only political belief was that if we eliminated physical money and forced people to only barter there would be no poverty because everyone would trade what they had in surplus for what they needed.

Then he started working in the Democratic Party campaign offices in college because he had "become a centrist moderate." Just posts whatever meme/talking point the party puts out.

Had another friend who was fairly religious and strong Republican. In college he became like short of becoming a monk epic religious and decided the Republicans were Godless heathens who had lost the path of Jesus. Dropped politics completely and now he'll play like an entire game in one twelve hour sitting. (Have him on my Steam friends.)

People are weird. But maybe not that second guy. I should look into his ideology more.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on August 28, 2014, 03:54:52 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 14, 2014, 01:08:37 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/fox-keith-ablow-michelle-obama-109985.html

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Fox News psychiatrist

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Fox News psychiatrist

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:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 03:59:48 AM

I guess you could say Rawls is an influence and Rousseau and Hobbes and More and Plato, influences can be negative. Rawls being so hyped by so many (writers, professors, etc.) left me with massive disappointment when I finally read it because I was just like...wat, which was admittingly later than I should have.

Road to Serfdom isn't Hayek's best work, that's probably The Use of Knowledge in Society and/or Law, Legislation and Liberty, but I think it's the most accessible and concise.

You probably didn't see it AWESOM-O but somebody in PoliGAF asked me what books could my insane philosophy possibly come from and I posted a list where I cobbled together the first ones that came to mind...

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Huemer, Michael. The problem of political authority : an examination of the right to coerce and the duty to obey. Houndmills, Basingstoke, Hampshire New York: Palgrave Macmillan, 2013.

Bakunin, Mikhail A., and Marshall Shatz. Statism and anarchy. Cambridge New York: Cambridge University Press, 1990.

Bastiat, Frédéric. The Law. Dean Russell, trans. Irvington-on-Hudson, NY: Foundation for Economic Education, Inc. 1998. Library of Economics and Liberty [Online] available from http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basLaw.html; accessed 11 August 2014; Internet.

Hayek, Friedrich A. The road to serfdom. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1994.

Kropotkin, Petr A., and Thomas H. Huxley. Mutual aid, a factor of evolution. Boston: Extending Horizons Books, 1955.

Mises, Ludwig von. The clash of group interests Auburn, Ala: Ludwig von Mises Institute, 2011.

Rothbard, Murray N. Egalitarianism as a revolt against nature, and other essays. Auburn, Ala: Ludwig von Mises Institute, 2000.

The Mises one is really the title essay, but the others in it are okay.

All of these but the first one are free somewhere, and the first one is "free" at a certain online library that shares a name with a Sega console. (But only in the US.)

Huemer's my real stan book. Need to convince Glenn Beck to stan that one somehow.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 28, 2014, 04:05:02 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 03:27:11 AM

I had a friend in high school who called himself a Leninist-Maoist.

His primary and maybe only political belief was that if we eliminated physical money and forced people to only barter there would be no poverty because everyone would trade what they had in surplus for what they needed.

Then he started working in the Democratic Party campaign offices in college because he had "become a centrist moderate." Just posts whatever meme/talking point the party puts out.

Well there is Marxism-Leninism-Maoism, but the no money thing is more Mao Zedong Thought than MLM. (See: the promotion of mutual aid and cooperative stages of land reform in the PRC.)

If you discount New Deomcracy's collaborationist stance with bourgeoisie big and small that is. (http://i.imgur.com/7Mo5RG8.png)

In M-L circles I always get kind of weirded out by self-described Maoists since (1) they're usually living in the (economic) core and staning for something that's meant for the (economic) periphery and (2) the mass line is a significant enough revision to (Leninist) vanguardism that you really should be kicked out of the club altogether and treated like Trots. (http://i.imgur.com/7Mo5RG8.png)

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Many years ago I once had an argument with my sibling about what First and Second World meant with me using Three Worlds Theory and they using the traditional Western definitions. :snoop

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 04:12:12 AM

I've never understood the Maoists. At least Lenin could write.

Juche stuff makes more sense than some of Mao's writings.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 28, 2014, 04:19:19 AM

It's probably because Maoism is an anti-intellectual line. (http://i.imgur.com/7Mo5RG8.png)

Since we're talking major influences, I guess mine was Bukharin as I used his ABCs for my starting point in adulthood. (Try reading Marx while working 90+ hours a week brehs.) Gonna troll the comrades so hard when the CPC beats America (economically) using the NEP on steroids but keeping my tankie cred since they did it with Socialism in One Country. (http://i.imgur.com/7Mo5RG8.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 04:49:39 AM

Quite frankly, if you aren't collectivizing the farms and using inherited vernalization I don't see the point of Communism. (http://i.imgur.com/7Mo5RG8.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 28, 2014, 04:54:31 AM

https://www.marxists.org/archive/hess/1845/essence-money.htm

This is my favorite article on marxists.org by far.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 28, 2014, 05:10:28 AM

"You may don a thousand masks, change your name and your religion and your mode of life, creep through the world incognito so that nobody notices that you are a Jew yet every insult to the Jewish name will wound you more than a man of honour who remains loyal to his family and defends his good name."

:fbm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 28, 2014, 02:25:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2014, 11:47:49 AM

1. Give a 9-year-old an uzi
2. Have her fire off one shot in single-shot mode
3. LET'S GOT FULL-AUTO

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/video-shows-girl-moments-before-shooting-instructor-arizona

At least it was the dumbass instructor that got it. There was a similar story a couple years back with a boy of similar age, except when he squeezed the trigger the uzi kicked back and the muzzle swung up to his face, still on full auto.  :-\

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on August 28, 2014, 03:37:13 PM

She's going to have to live the rest of her life knowing she killed someone though.  :-\

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on August 29, 2014, 08:50:36 AM

Quote from: Esch on August 28, 2014, 01:23:38 PM

Rawls is the leftist version of smoking a bowl of some nice mids. Not dank, but it'll get you comfortably high. But benji, benji needs ideological ice bong rips and dabs. He's the political equivalent of the guy at the party offering you strikeouts. Rawls is too nice for benji.

Felt a little sad I knew what a strikeout was =/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on August 29, 2014, 02:12:52 PM

The only lives worth saving are the (American)unborn.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2014, 03:48:16 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/florida-health-choices-30-people

This March, as an alternative of sorts to the Affordable Care Act, Florida's Republican-led government launched a health insurance website called Florida Health Choices. It had no relation to HealthCare.gov, the federal Obamacare website, and offered limited-benefit options that cover things like prescription drugs and dental or vision services.

But since the launch of the Republican alternative, Florida Health Choices has signed up 30 people, the Tampa Bay Times reported Friday. By comparison, 984,000 Floridians enrolled in private coverage under Obamacare and 764,000 low-income residents were unable to obtain any kind of coverage through the federal law because the GOP- controlled state legislature refused to expand Medicaid.

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on August 29, 2014, 04:10:25 PM

$900,000 well spent.

Now spend $0 and cover the $750k stuck out of Medicaid for no reason.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2014, 04:19:30 PM

but how many of them have paid their premiums!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 29, 2014, 04:59:11 PM

Who wants to bet the company that got that 900K contract has ties to the Florida GOP that are more than tenuous?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2014, 05:29:46 PM

Quote from: Sovok on August 29, 2014, 04:59:11 PM

Who wants to bet the company that got that 900K contract has ties to the Florida GOP that are more than tenuous?

It's highly unlikely, I would assume that the state set up a rigorous challenge and they were the only company that managed to get the artifact out of the temple without losing any pendants.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 29, 2014, 05:45:55 PM

30 people? Holy hell. I get more hits than that on my blog every week and I haven't posted  there in months.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2014, 07:03:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXY1_eaNo-Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kNSNPwuSjQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I85GSLs6WyA

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 29, 2014, 07:41:55 PM

The president is clearly a winter, idk what he was thinking wearing tan too, Representative King. :fabulous

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2014, 08:38:49 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 29, 2014, 08:14:50 PM

Tanghazi :dead

(http://i.imgur.com/rTB9AlW.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on August 29, 2014, 08:40:19 PM

YouTube CC translated that as 10 Ghazi. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2014, 08:42:52 PM

Yeah, I'm really sure that ISIS is more interested in Obama's tan suit than they are dodging missiles fired from American drones.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2014, 08:44:47 PM

The drones probably won't even take off once they see footage of Obama in such a weak suit. Or crash themselves.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2014, 09:12:58 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 29, 2014, 07:59:57 PM

(http://i.minus.com/jxSt6Fq0oY9tL.png) it's been so long since I've heard a Republican say something worth listening to. I can't even tell you the last time.

I was going to bring up Rand Paul's Time piece until I remembered he apparently plagiarized it from a democrat.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 30, 2014, 12:05:52 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/4E5wpOol.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2014, 12:17:21 AM

Until I see otherwise that is the greatest fucking suit a President has ever worn. It could have been any President, but something about it being Reagan sells it extra hard.

If I'm ever elected to the Presidency (*half the room faints*) it's going to be stuff like that and what Larry Brown wore on the sidelines in the ABA.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2014, 12:34:01 AM

Obama should just say fuck it and go full Craig Sager.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 30, 2014, 01:03:06 AM

On casual Fridays, he should wear anime t-shirts and jorts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on August 30, 2014, 01:07:58 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 30, 2014, 01:03:06 AM

On casual Fridays, he should wear anime t-shirts and jorts.

Not funny. You go too far.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 30, 2014, 11:02:00 AM

In the mormon church you're often told "unofficially" to always wear a white shirt and if you're wearing a suit it must be dark colored. Many missionaries were told to only wear dark suits because that's what "the brethren" (meaning the first presidency and 12 apostles) only wear dark suits. Then one day the prophet wore a brown suit and people proceeded to completely lose their shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2014, 12:08:25 AM

Okay, so there's a book where the author argues that your cultural identification determines your vulnerability to political identifications. Does anyone remember or know of this book or author?

I feel like it may be more than one but that there's a more famous one or two, like one in the 1920/1950's from some socialist and then somebody rehashed the idea in the 1990's as some kind of stupid neo-behavioralist concept.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Squiddy on September 01, 2014, 04:46:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHwlqhUb6io

What do you weed defenders have to say about that?
Do we really want to legalize this drug and have the next generation of children grow up maladjusted?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2014, 07:22:56 PM

Well, yeah, more targets for the police.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2014, 03:17:10 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Columbia_Excalibur_Party

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2014, 01:47:30 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-politichicks-feminists-cave-women

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/gop-poll-of-women-party-stuck-in-past-110398.html

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2014, 03:04:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2014, 01:47:30 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-politichicks-feminists-cave-women

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/08/gop-poll-of-women-party-stuck-in-past-110398.html

[close]

https://twitter.com/GOP/status/506524410158006272

Checkmate, Dems.  :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2014, 08:10:07 PM

Thanks for dicksplaining things to them average blacks, Papa Cruz

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rafael-cruz-average-black-minimum-wage

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2014, 08:33:19 PM

out of interest I'd love to know if he thinks the average "white" understands the minimum wage.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 02, 2014, 09:31:17 PM

Look up Rafael Cruz and "God's Bankers". That should tell you who the real god is.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2014, 09:31:41 PM

Ted Cruz's dad is a total nutjob. Like, I think Ted is actually a pretty smart guy, just with no scruples, who's figured out how to easily and effectively raise his profile with a large group of very loyal followers, but his dad? Totally believes that stuff 100%, I don't doubt that at all.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2014, 09:38:19 PM

Rafael Cruz fought for Castro in the Revolution, like I'm going to trust some Commie bastard.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2014, 12:13:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8uoE0n14iU

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on September 03, 2014, 02:24:36 AM

Hannity / Robertson

These gang land style thugs in ISIS , running around forcing people to convert or else they kill them.

How should we handle this?

Solution : force them to convert or else kill them!

Genuis. Utter genuis.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2014, 08:18:59 AM

That beard makes him look like a Muslim.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2014, 04:37:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEwdPtS0800

hmmmm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 03, 2014, 06:02:38 PM

Quote

The 23 states that have refused Medicaid expansion under Obamacare will be sending $152 billion in taxes paid over the next 10 years to states that did expand. That's from a McClatchy analysis of Urban Institute data. Among the states that will be really losing out, is North Carolina, which will shell out about $10 billion.

Taxpayer contributions, estimated at $10.2 billion from North Carolina and $3.1 billion from South Carolina, won’t change regardless of participation. But as things stand, only the 27 states (along with Washington, D.C.) that expanded Medicaid or created their own programs are sharing in the benefits. […]

Medicaid looms at the top of the agenda when the North Carolina legislature convenes in January. What’s unclear is whether Republican leaders will reconsider their refusal to accept the federal money.

This year, Senate leaders clashed with Gov. Pat McCrory and House leaders over plans to control medical costs and improve the state Medicaid system. None of them called for expanding Medicaid.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/03/1326814/-Medicaid-refusal-states-paying-out-billions-to-insure-people-in-other-nbsp-states (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/03/1326814/-Medicaid-refusal-states-paying-out-billions-to-insure-people-in-other-nbsp-states)


This is a very specific bit of idiocy that I've been following really closely, as some of you might already know. It would have been one thing to refuse the medicaid expansion if that's all what would have been effected. But it's another to refuse the medicaid expansion when your citizens are already paying and will continue to pay taxes for it. You get all the costs but none of the benefits. Not exactly the most ingenious way to say "fuck you, ObaMAO!".

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 03, 2014, 06:15:28 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on September 03, 2014, 06:02:38 PM

You get all the costs but none of the benefits. Not exactly the most ingenious way to say "fuck you!" to Obama.

The aim is to erode support for the law with the eventual aim of repealing it, not just sticking a middle finger out at the president.

If people are paying for something they don't get, it's going to make them :umad.

e: 23 states is almost 50 senators. (I realize it's not that simple.)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 03, 2014, 06:18:40 PM

Quote from: Sovok on September 03, 2014, 06:15:28 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on September 03, 2014, 06:02:38 PM

You get all the costs but none of the benefits. Not exactly the most ingenious way to say "fuck you!" to Obama.

The aim is to erode support for the law with the eventual aim of repealing it, not just sticking a middle finger out at the president.

If people are paying for something they don't get, it's going to make them :umad.

e: 23 states is almost 50 senators. (I realize it's not that simple.)

Right, I get that. But Republicans are generally smarter about shielding their own from any possible damaging effects from their policies. But this is straight up fucking over their own people in their own states.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 03, 2014, 07:26:22 PM

I don't really believe that.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 03, 2014, 07:36:41 PM

House members used to, yeah, but that was back when earmarks were a thing. Now they can't even do that, and most of them are too crazy to care. Senators generally don't give a fuck.

Basically, as long as they look like they're trying to stop TEH SOCIALIZM then their idiot constituents are cool.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 03, 2014, 07:57:53 PM

Plus who is going to tell their constituents that they're getting boned?  Not the politicians because they let it happen.  Not Fox News because that'd be fair journalism.  Anything else would be the librul media and it's skewed.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2014, 09:20:00 PM

Wyoming signed up for the Medicaid expansion last week. If the most conservative/whitest state in the nation can do it, anyone can. Except Texas, because "fuck brown people" is too strong of a platform.

waste the opportunity to expand healthcare to your constituents with the feds eating 100% of the bill for three years because you're butthurt over Obummer, brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2014, 09:42:18 PM

They buttdevastated.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2014, 10:15:10 PM

I wish Obummer would abolish the 22nd amendment and win a third term just to see people's heads explode like that guy in Scanners.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 03, 2014, 11:06:36 PM

Well you guys gotta remember. Even when Republicans were all backing Paul Ryan's idea of turning medicare into a coupon program, they shielded current beneficiaries by making sure their cuts would only effect those 55 and younger. You would think the idea of red states subsidizing health care mooching for blue states would be something they'd be raising hell about.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on September 03, 2014, 11:12:22 PM

Its too complicated to put into a 3 word zinger for their campaigns

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 04, 2014, 01:13:17 PM

Quote

In a Monday Facebook status, Rep. John Bennett (R) shared an article on ISIS with a message about his beliefs on Islam and that Muslims in the U.S. are dangerous:

"Islam and Muslim are one in the same. They are adjectives describing their religion. Islam is the religion, Muslim is the person that follows Islam. If someone claims to be Muslim they subscribe to Islam (Quran). The Quran clearly states that non Muslims should be killed. Arab is the ethnicity, not Muslim or Islam. Be wary of the individuals who claim to be "Muslim American". Be especially wary if you're a Christian."

Quote

“We must shine a bright light on the role of the Muslim Brotherhood and its varied tentacles in the U.S.,” he responded to CAIR's letter, according to the Oklahoman. “These tentacles include un-indicted co-conspirators of the U.S. vs. Holyland Foundation trial like the Council on American-Islamic Relations here in Oklahoma. Our borders are wide open to drug and human traffickers. Terrorism could come to Oklahoma just as easily.”

Quote

"So the Council on American-Islamic Relations is reading my Facebook and demanding an apology for what I said.... well, since your monitoring my facebook... I WILL NOT apologize to you. I know who you are and what you represent and I'm watching you closely...."

Quote

"It seems as if their attack on his comments is disingenuous at best,” Oklahoma GOP chair Dave Weston told the Oklahoman about CAIR's letter. “Here’s why. If we as Americans were ruled by Islam, then Christians and Jews like you and I could only keep practicing our faith if we paid a protection tax. But if you’re Christian or Jewish and don’t immediately convert to Islam, they imminently decapitate you. This is proven by ongoing observation around the world today.”

“If they’re legitimate in wanting to come to the table and have an honest discourse, they can prove that by acknowledging the Jewish Holocaust happened, they can publicly recognize the right of Israel to exist and they can denounce the killing of Muslim converts to Christianity and other religions around the world," Weston continued.

Quote

"All members of the Oklahoma Legislature are duly elected by and accountable to their constituents, and are free to voice their own opinions. As Speaker of the Oklahoma House of Representatives, I have found that most Oklahomans welcome anyone who respects our laws and embraces our state, our culture and our people," House Speaker Jeff Hickman (R) said.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/oklahoma-gop-wary-muslim-americans

:comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 04, 2014, 02:07:00 PM

Quote

"When you hear something on a partisan-driven program, do not believe it!" Bill O'Reilly told his audience on Wednesday.

Quote

"Distortions are how some people make a living," he warned his viewers.

(http://i.imgur.com/Sk1GHHf.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 04, 2014, 03:39:09 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jury-reaches-verdict-mcdonnell-trial

Guilty on 11 counts. :rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 04, 2014, 03:43:22 PM

Republicans' Deep Bench (of felons) :rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 04, 2014, 04:14:34 PM

holy crap, he turned down a plea that would have been a single felony charge, and got his wife off scott free (she's now on the hook 8 felony convictions).

what a dumb shitbag.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 04, 2014, 04:16:02 PM

I'm not sure if it's a sign of market pressures (this economy brehs) or that I have a modicum of self-respect that my "buy it now" price is higher than a Republican governor's. (165K vs. 250K).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2014, 04:20:39 PM

Obama's enemies sure have a way of imploding, going back to the days when he was a state legislator.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 04, 2014, 04:21:56 PM

McDonnell decided to go with the "my wife's all kuh-RAZY and I couldn't control her!" defense. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 04, 2014, 06:30:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2014, 09:20:00 PM

Wyoming signed up for the Medicaid expansion last week. If the most conservative/whitest state in the nation can do it, anyone can. Except Texas, because "fuck brown people" is too strong of a platform.

waste the opportunity to expand healthcare to your constituents with the feds eating 100% of the bill for three years because you're butthurt over Obummer, brehs

It being the whitest state probably makes it a lot easier

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2014, 04:34:26 AM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/09/why-do-newspapers-keep-publishing-op-eds-by-john-mccain/379512/?single_page=true

Quote

Why Do Newspapers Keep Publishing Op-Eds by John McCain?
Looking back at the Arizona senator's track record, it's hard to see why anyone still treats him as a source of insight into what will happen next in geopolitics.

I think just the headline was probably all that needed to be written here, Conor, but thanks for the rest I guess.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 05, 2014, 11:19:16 AM

Kind of like all of those libertarian economists that keep yelling about the inflation bomb that's RIGHT AROUND THE CORNER, huh?

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on September 05, 2014, 11:22:40 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 30, 2014, 12:05:52 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/4E5wpOol.jpg)

Laugh all you want, but Reagan HIMSELF shot and skinned the sofa which was then tailored into that jacket.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 05, 2014, 11:23:21 AM

It deserved it for letting its cushions gobble up all those jelly beans

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on September 05, 2014, 12:29:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2014, 04:37:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEwdPtS0800

hmmmm

That's my Senator. :bow

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 05, 2014, 12:59:31 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/more-scarborough

:noooo

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 05, 2014, 01:00:31 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 05, 2014, 12:59:31 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/more-scarborough

:noooo

:noooo

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2014, 02:47:55 PM

More Scarborough, two words that should never go together.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 05, 2014, 02:51:29 PM

I'd rather scabro over mcain, graham, or flooz on mtp.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2014, 02:52:18 PM

I'd rather have the Clap than full-blown AIDS too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 05, 2014, 03:44:28 PM

My wife is going in hard on a libertarian friend about climate change on Facebook right now.  It's a beautiful thing.   :gun

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 05, 2014, 04:49:51 PM

That's already happening in a lot of ways, but it's not really being publicized.  FEMA and the Army Corps already are taking sea rise data into account, as well as many of the (smarter) states.

Oh and the argument is "is climate change happening?" on one hand and

"You're a fucking idiot and no one I know in my field of expertise (flood management) even discusses this anymore" on the other.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2014, 07:21:22 PM

Walrus, I was reminded of this Mises book today by somebody and thought it might be one that interests you to take a gander or that you might like to hate-skim through at least. And it's free (electronically) so: http://mises.org/document/994/Economic-Policy-Thoughts-for-Today-and-Tomorrow

The 150 page book report will be due under my office door by 11:59:59 PM.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 05, 2014, 07:42:50 PM

When he says there are no rulers, only servants, is he banking on people being ignorant of the trust era or something else. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2014, 09:57:04 PM

If he doesn't cover it in that book or if he does and you skipped it, in either case I'll make it clear that Mises rejects the idea of natural monopolies. Not to the extent Rothbard does in denying any possibility of it, but Mises is definitely in the "probably not going to happen AND be harmful" camp.

I think Mises would consider the loss and the subsidies to be inefficiencies, in some book (might be one of the essays included in Clash of Interests)  Mises really hammers on corporate welfare as a negative because it's like extra inefficiencies compared to just having the state run it. I know some later Austrians, and Hayek, maybe Mises did, suggested that things like universal health care and certain welfare are more efficient than the inefficient "market-like" monster the state will setup trying to control the market forces. I could be reading myself into that since I find more honest systems like state-paid health insurance and guaranteed minimum incomes to be "better" than patchwork bureaucratic dungeons. But I'm pretty sure at least Hayek wrestled with the idea.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2014, 12:46:05 AM

Oops, that's actually Clash of Group Interests: http://mises.org/document/6087/The-Clash-of-Group-Interests

I think that's actually my top favorite Mises book because it's one of the few times he doesn't write so clinically, there's a kind of exasperated "WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE NOT GETTING THIS BASIC SHIT?!?" aspect to two of the essays.

The description might sound familiar to fans of my "work."

Quote

In this thrilling essay written in 1945, Mises lays out a theory of social organization in response to the Marxist critique of the free society. He explains that the Marxist view is wrong concerning its claim that there is a clash of group interests in the market order. He explains the difference in the competition between producers and a Marxian-type struggle. He shows how the relationships between labor and capital are essentially cooperative in that interests coincide over the long run - and so it is with all groups in a free society.

However, he goes further to map out a theory of what he calls castes that form under interventionist systems. Here the privileged group really does live at the expense of the paying group in a manner which Marx suggests - but with the key difference that it is the state and not the market that makes this possible.

In this way, argues Mises, the state is the cause of social conflict; the more it intervenes in the market order, the more conflict it creates, as taxes, regulations, and legal privileges of all sorts begin to blot out the harmonious relationships that would otherwise exist on the market.

One of the other essays is kinda fun in light of the 2008 financial crisis.

I really should just switch to using this instead of other Hayek and Mises essays for the section on liberalism/libertarianism. It'd certainly be a funnier set of essays to use.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on September 06, 2014, 12:54:45 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2014, 02:47:55 PM

More Scarborough, two words that should never go together.

Scarborough makes Morning Joe a cringefest. Therefore, I support his addition to Meet the Press.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2014, 01:07:08 AM

How fast do you think they'd cut someones mic if they brought up the time Joe was joking about that aide he DEFINITELY DID NOT KILL IN ANY WAY.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 06, 2014, 01:10:05 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on September 05, 2014, 09:38:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 05, 2014, 07:21:22 PM

Walrus, I was reminded of this Mises book today by somebody and thought it might be one that interests you to take a gander or that you might like to hate-skim through at least. And it's free (electronically) so: http://mises.org/document/994/Economic-Policy-Thoughts-for-Today-and-Tomorrow

The 150 page book report will be due under my office door by 11:59:59 PM.

I read through the Capitalism chapter and didn't really find anything that I disagree with in theory. Skipped the Socialism chapter because I basically know what it will say and probably won't disagree with him there either.

Now I'm getting to the Interventionism part. I'm generally against price controls in most instances, so I'm not going to disagree with him there. Rent controls are mostly the same. But that's about it so far. He doesn't argue against things like Social Security, public healthcare funds (which I know Germany had at the time of this writing), or other government interventions. He takes on the really easy targets and stops there.

There's one section in particular that I take issue with, page 39: "And if the taxpayers are prepared to pay higher taxes in order to make it possible for the government to operate an enterprise at a loss - that is, in a less efficient way than it would be done by a private institution..."

This does not follow from the simple fact that it operates at a loss. The post office operates at a loss, but I can send a letter to someone in a bumbfuck mountain village in the Ozarks for 40 cents or whatever it costs these days, and we have a system that works dependably when you need it. The government could raise rates on stamps, but is generally okay with running the post office at a loss because it's an important public service, and access to it is judged to be more important than miniscule deadweight losses from the taxation that makes up the operating loss.

It does not follow from this that a private company could run the U.S. Postal Service with the same degree of universal access and service for less money (including total revenues + taxpayer subsidies). It's possible that this could be the case, but the fact that the government subsidizes the Postal Service with taxpayer funds does not prove this hypothesis.

He also doesn't seem to have considered the idea of natural monopolies, or the deadweight losses that come from the fact that monopolies and most oligopolies do not operate on a traditional supply curve.

I had thought the USPS was revenue neutral (by law), and the only subsidies it recieves are quite limited and for particular services (special mail services for the disabled, etc.)

I'd be perfectly ok with running it at a loss to guarantee quality widespread coverage, and top it up with subsidies to keep it that way, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2014, 01:17:09 AM

Quote from: Mamacint on September 06, 2014, 01:10:05 AM

I had thought the USPS was revenue neutral (by law)

It used to be, they changed it not too long ago. They don't have to be in any area in which there are competitors.

I believe they can actually make a profit with some slight changes if they were spun-off more. Though it'd take a whole bunch of acts of Congress.

The Postal Service now is really different from how it was even ten years, let alone thirty.

Free USPS pro-tip: Don't pay for the tracking number, they print it on the receipt no matter what because they use it internally, it's just not labeled.  :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2014, 07:49:58 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 06, 2014, 01:07:08 AM

How fast do you think they'd cut someones mic if they brought up the time Joe was joking about that aide he DEFINITELY DID NOT KILL IN ANY WAY.

I'm sure we'll get the opportunity to find out on the JoScar 2016 campaign trail. (http://i.imgur.com/uavPgF7.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2014, 10:04:51 AM

Quote

President Barack Obama will delay plans to issue an executive order to address immigration reform until after the November election, White House officials confirmed Saturday.

Although Obama had pledged to act before the end of summer, the White House has been under pressure to slow down from Senate Democrats worried that an announcement would hurt them this fall.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2014, 11:45:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQ0jPJWIbw

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2014, 09:19:48 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/p5k0zvI.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2014, 02:47:55 PM

Quote from: https://twitter.com/kharyp/status/508642651022053376

Why didn't John McCain get #ISIS to release #JamesFoley & #StevenSotloff when he was w them? http://t.co/F4qy0Jf82u

(http://i.imgur.com/Sf4qzTj.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 07, 2014, 03:16:18 PM

:snoop

That shit keeps popping up everywhere :beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 07, 2014, 06:39:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2014, 02:47:55 PM

Quote from: https://twitter.com/kharyp/status/508642651022053376

Why didn't John McCain get #ISIS to release #JamesFoley & #StevenSotloff when he was w them? http://t.co/F4qy0Jf82u

(http://i.imgur.com/Sf4qzTj.jpg)

Is this for real?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2014, 07:32:23 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 07, 2014, 06:39:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2014, 02:47:55 PM

Quote from: https://twitter.com/kharyp/status/508642651022053376

Why didn't John McCain get #ISIS to release #JamesFoley & #StevenSotloff when he was w them? http://t.co/F4qy0Jf82u

(http://i.imgur.com/Sf4qzTj.jpg)

Is this for real?

No, but McCain's still a senile old coot who will never be president.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2014, 11:58:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrHwGrNiDBo

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on September 08, 2014, 01:08:16 AM

Quote from: Esch on September 07, 2014, 04:51:59 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/30/california-plastic-bag-ban_n_5740332.html

what did plastic bags ever do to u, California

:brazilcry

the state ruining the plastic bag economy with smart, sound environmental policy

:usacry

Californians to cry about something that parts of the state have already been doing for a bit now

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 08, 2014, 01:32:02 AM

I'm I gonna have to take Trader Joe's bags to the everything is a dollar dollar store now. :brazilcry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 08, 2014, 06:29:11 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/

WTF kind of banana republic shit is this? :wtf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2014, 01:00:35 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ronald-reagan-economist-slavery
:hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 08, 2014, 04:58:01 PM

The Economist also staned for doing nothing to alleviate the Irish Potato Famine IIRC.

Though at least that was while the genocide was ongoing instead of revisionist historiography after the fact.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2014, 05:01:21 PM

nothing wrong with a no starch foreign policy
:hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 08, 2014, 06:15:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2014, 01:00:35 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ronald-reagan-economist-slavery
:hitler

I for one am shocked. SHOCKED at this news.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2014, 08:29:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2014, 01:00:35 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ronald-reagan-economist-slavery
:hitler

Important takeaway: Reagan in another bitchin suit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2014, 05:16:09 AM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/america-cannot-continue-to-function-as-the-worlds,36873/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 09, 2014, 11:46:35 AM

conservative SEO, the movie

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2747965/I-ve-never-seen-Border-Patrol-Filmmaker-shows-Ebola-infected-ISIS-terrorist-sneak-Lake-Erie-Canada-Cleveland-RICIN-Rock-Roll-Hall-Fame.html

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2014, 12:01:40 PM

James O'Keefe: Imagine a World Without Him

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 09, 2014, 12:37:52 PM

you mean a world where Acorn is still functioning and still helping desperately poor people out of poverty?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2014, 12:44:12 PM

Okeefe showing ISIS how it's done. Is he training them under the guise that there is weak security?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 10, 2014, 11:32:01 AM

http://www.gregpalast.com/how-barack-obama-could-end-the-argentina-debt-crisis/

Huh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 10, 2014, 05:27:09 PM

Quote from: Rufus on September 10, 2014, 11:32:01 AM

http://www.gregpalast.com/how-barack-obama-could-end-the-argentina-debt-crisis/

Huh.

Quote

(Singer's spokesman responded that corruption in the Congo-Brazzaville government, not his lawsuits, have impoverished that nation.)

Nice guy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2014, 05:56:35 PM

FUD! Only poor people are hurting the economy with their minimum wages and SNAP benefits! Stop hating on hard-working job creators!!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 10, 2014, 06:09:43 PM

RIP America :usacry

Quote

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Gov. Jerry Brown signed legislation Wednesday that will require most California employers next year to provide up to three sick days for millions of workers, a policy long-sought by labor unions but opposed by business groups.

"This is the least we can do," Brown told reporters after signing the bill at a ceremony in downtown Los Angeles, alluding to a growing income gap that has left many Americans struggling to make ends meet.

Supporters said as many as 6.5 million workers — including temporary and part-time employees — will benefit from the law that takes effect next July.

"Whether you're a dishwasher in San Diego or a store clerk in Oakland, this bill frees you of having to choose between your family's health and your job," Brown said in a statement from his office.

The law will require most employers to provide paid sick leave to employees who work 30 or more days within a year, and workers will earn a minimum of one hour of paid sick leave for every 30 hours worked.

Glad I'm exempt from (most of) big gummint's labor laws. :whew Who would want to be paid for not doing work? :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2014, 08:52:11 PM

Man ISIS has a great PR team. Troy Ave needs to hire them to convince everyone he's the hottest rapper in the game, just as ISIS is now the most dangerous threat to the world since COBRA.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 10, 2014, 09:06:38 PM

Republicans need help this election bro

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2014, 09:18:03 PM

"Obama never talks about American exceptionalism!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 10, 2014, 10:06:29 PM

Ah we're sending "military advisors" to Iraq? I read a history of the Vietnam War too, though I feel like we're not respecting the order of events here or are playing the role of both the Fourth Republic and the U.S. this time?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Boogie on September 10, 2014, 10:11:53 PM

Quote from: Rufus on September 08, 2014, 06:29:11 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/

WTF kind of banana republic shit is this? :wtf

I am not opposed to proper asset seizure powers in theory.  Attacking the proceeds of crime is an appropriate goal, as it hits organized crime at its core.

But when I read some shit about how it is carried out in practise, especially and specifically this little gem:

Quote

Half of the seizures were below $8,800.

I go....."Really?   Fucking really?"

Don't get me wrong, there's nothing saying that $5,000 being driven around can't be the proceeds of crime, that there weren't indicators/grounds for it being proceeds, but....

Seriously?!   Fucking half of all asset seizures under this law in the past 13 years have been under 8k?

Sure, someone driving around with 4k in their glove compartment is automatically an idiot, but with such a low amount, how on earth do you have the grounds to demonstrate criminal intent with that?  Enough to seize it?  Really?

If it's the result of solid policework, I have no issues with it.  But that $8k average seizure, combined with a 41% return rate on cases where it is challenged, makes even me go "C'mon son."   :comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on September 11, 2014, 04:52:54 AM

ISIS is the reason Danger 5 S2 isn't airing for an indefinite period. Fuck them; this war is justified.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 11, 2014, 09:00:33 AM

Pick a side in the Sunni/Shi'ite conflict, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2014, 11:53:19 AM

why can't they settle this shit with a soccer match.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 11, 2014, 11:55:35 AM

*Salafi/Twelver

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Eric P on September 11, 2014, 12:00:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2014, 11:53:19 AM

why can't they settle this shit with a soccer match.

or robot jox

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 11, 2014, 09:29:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOOZ6aPooSk

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2014, 10:29:10 PM

Quote

Life Imitates the Onion

"Obama to Assure Nation That ISIS Campaign Will Be Drawn-Out Ordeal They're Used To"--headline, Onion, Sept. 10

"Now, it will take time to eradicate a cancer like ISIL. And any time we take military action, there are risks involved--especially to the servicemen and -women who carry out these missions. . . . This strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us, while supporting partners on the front lines, is one that we have successfully pursued in Yemen and Somalia for years."--President Obama, Sept. 10

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2014, 04:04:33 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/10/us-usa-politics-dsouza-idUSKBN0H52GL20140910

Quote

The U.S. government wants conservative author and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza to be sentenced to as much as 16 months in prison, following his guilty plea to a campaign finance law violation.

In a Wednesday court filing, federal prosecutors rejected defense arguments that D'Souza was "ashamed and contrite" about his crime, had "unequivocally accepted responsibility," and deserved a sentence of probation with community service.

...

The government said a 10- to 16-month prison sentence was appropriate for D'Souza, and necessary to deter others from abusing the election process, including "well-heeled individuals who are tempted to use their money to help other candidates."

It also said D'Souza waited to "the last possible moment" prior to trial before admitting guilt, and then went on TV shows and the Internet to complain about being "selectively" targeted for prosecution, and having little choice but to plead guilty.

"Based on the defendant's own post-plea statements, the court should reject the defendant's claims of contrition on the eve of sentencing," prosecutors led by U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in Manhattan said in the filing.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 12, 2014, 09:07:43 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sarah-palin-family-reportedly-involved-drunken-brawl (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sarah-palin-family-reportedly-involved-drunken-brawl)

#thugculture

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2014, 09:11:11 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 12, 2014, 04:04:33 AM

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/09/10/us-usa-politics-dsouza-idUSKBN0H52GL20140910

Quote

The U.S. government wants conservative author and filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza to be sentenced to as much as 16 months in prison, following his guilty plea to a campaign finance law violation.

In a Wednesday court filing, federal prosecutors rejected defense arguments that D'Souza was "ashamed and contrite" about his crime, had "unequivocally accepted responsibility," and deserved a sentence of probation with community service.

...

The government said a 10- to 16-month prison sentence was appropriate for D'Souza, and necessary to deter others from abusing the election process, including "well-heeled individuals who are tempted to use their money to help other candidates."

It also said D'Souza waited to "the last possible moment" prior to trial before admitting guilt, and then went on TV shows and the Internet to complain about being "selectively" targeted for prosecution, and having little choice but to plead guilty.

"Based on the defendant's own post-plea statements, the court should reject the defendant's claims of contrition on the eve of sentencing," prosecutors led by U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara in Manhattan said in the filing.

Oh look, another minority getting slapped with a max sentence for a non-violent crime. Thanks Obama. :hitler

spoiler (click to show/hide)

But seriously, is there any way it could possibly be more than just 16 months? 16 years, maybe?

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 12, 2014, 09:12:58 AM

Quote

federal prosecutors rejected defense arguments that D'Souza was "ashamed and contrite" about his crime, had "unequivocally accepted responsibility,"

Quote

then went on TV shows and the Internet to complain about being "selectively" targeted for prosecution, and having little choice but to plead guilty

(http://i.imgur.com/nIzzQvD.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 12, 2014, 11:52:35 AM

Quote

"As I watched the speech last night, Sean, the thought going through my mind is, 'I owe America a global apology. Because John McCain, through all of this, John McCain should be our president,'" Palin said.

(http://i.imgur.com/lD8ynz7.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 12, 2014, 12:09:54 PM

http://www.clickhole.com/article/stunning-map-shows-just-how-much-iraq-and-syria-vi-924

Quote

As the situation in Iraq and Syria continues to deteriorate, insurgency groups are gaining traction and territory. Already the Islamic State has destabilized the area by capturing dozens of cities, but experts say that a new player, VICE Media, has now effectively taken over twice the area of ISIS by flooding the region with journalists documenting human suffering and turmoil in its signature gonzo style.

:ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2014, 03:53:34 PM

You know, I wake up every morning and I thank God, and every other deity I can think of, that John McCain isn't President and Sarah Palin isn't Vice President.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2014, 04:10:00 PM

I shit on Obama all the time but ain't that the truth. Thank you based god.

same with Romney, given that White Horse prophesy shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 12, 2014, 06:25:11 PM

Man it was funny to hear all the mormons going on and on about the white horse prophecy and then when Romney lost they all the sudden got real quiet....

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on September 12, 2014, 08:44:42 PM

Quote from: Rufus on September 08, 2014, 06:29:11 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/

WTF kind of banana republic shit is this? :wtf

"Cash seizures can be made under state or federal civil law. One of the primary ways police departments are able to seize money and share in the proceeds at the federal level is through a long-standing Justice Department civil asset forfeiture program known as Equitable Sharing. Asset forfeiture is an extraordinarily powerful law enforcement tool that allows the government to take cash and property without pressing criminal charges and then requires the owners to prove their possessions were legally acquired."

 :what

This is an egregious bunch of horse shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on September 12, 2014, 08:47:23 PM

Quote from: Eric P on September 11, 2014, 12:00:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2014, 11:53:19 AM

why can't they settle this shit with a soccer match.

or robot jox

Only if we can get a pre-game show, where at least one contestant says, "I HAVE ALREADY BEATEN YOU! RIGHT UP HERE!" and then gestures to their head.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 13, 2014, 02:02:32 AM

http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/how-clone-wars-explains-the-big-problems-with-modern-wa-1633297876/

 :ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 13, 2014, 06:51:49 AM

Quote from: Totally Not Ronito on September 12, 2014, 06:25:11 PM

Man it was funny to hear all the mormons going on and on about the white horse prophecy and then when Romney lost they all the sudden got real quiet....

You never know, maybe Romney will end up winning the GOP primaries again in 2016.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 13, 2014, 01:39:31 PM

Quote from: Yeti on September 13, 2014, 02:02:32 AM

http://fortressamerica.gawker.com/how-clone-wars-explains-the-big-problems-with-modern-wa-1633297876/

 :ohhh

lol shitty-ass Onderon is in Clone Wars?

ONDERON IS CANON? :neogaf

:umad Wookiepedians?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 13, 2014, 01:45:05 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 13, 2014, 06:51:49 AM

Quote from: Totally Not Ronito on September 12, 2014, 06:25:11 PM

Man it was funny to hear all the mormons going on and on about the white horse prophecy and then when Romney lost they all the sudden got real quiet....

You never know, maybe Romney will end up winning the GOP primaries again in 2016.

My god please no. It was insufferable then, I can't even imagine how it would be if he ran again.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on September 14, 2014, 12:56:25 AM

Mitt said he isn't running in 2016.

But I hope he will.

Jeb Bush is so boring. Maybe it's because of his nerdy boring glasses.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 15, 2014, 05:08:14 PM

"community"

Haha.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2014, 05:08:48 PM

Quote

Pearce said the comments were "written by someone else" and said he "failed to attribute them to the author."

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2014, 05:09:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2014, 05:08:48 PM

Quote

Pearce said the comments were "written by someone else" and said he "failed to attribute them to the author."

:neogaf

:ronpaul:

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 15, 2014, 05:10:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2014, 05:09:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2014, 05:08:48 PM

Quote

Pearce said the comments were "written by someone else" and said he "failed to attribute them to the author."

:neogaf

:ronpaul:

:paul :wag

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 15, 2014, 06:26:39 PM

No no I wasn't saying that we should sterilize women that are on welfare. I just said they should never have children.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2014, 04:08:48 AM

of course his remarks were a mistake.  After all, he clearly endorsed government sponsored birth control, he couldn't have possibly have meant that.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2014, 11:42:35 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-science-deniers-obama

Quote

"The reality is right now we've got an administration in the Obama administration that are science deniers when it comes to harnessing America's energy resources and potential to create good-paying jobs for our economy and for our future," Jindal said. "Right now we've got an administration whose policies are holding our economy hostage."

:heh

Quote

When asked for examples, Jindal cited the administration's resistance to approving the Keystone pipeline and recent rules to establish strict limits on pollution from coal-fired power plants

(http://i.imgur.com/ENGHha0.png)

Quote

"It's not controversial to say human activity is contributing in some way to change," he said. "In terms of how much it is and how serious it is, I say let the scientists decide that. Let's not have politicians decide that."

:beli (http://i.imgur.com/kzlq3Dz.png) :ufup

/tpm backpat

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 12:47:22 PM

Every time Bobby Jindal's name comes up, I like to point out that he's one of the most disliked governors in the country.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 01:13:44 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 12:47:22 PM

Every time Bobby Jindal's name comes up, I like to point at that he's one of the most disliked governors in the country.

I'm a conservative (as we all know) and I hate this asshole with a passion.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2014, 01:54:27 PM

The list of 2016 GOP hopefuls reads like a VW bug stuffed with clowns

Christie

 :heh

Jindal

 :mindblown

Cruz

:neogaf

Rand "Baby Doc" Paul

:ufup :paul

They're going to spend all primary season trying to out insane each other in order to appeal to the base, meanwhile Hillary is gonna be basically pointing and laughing, then collecting her W in November.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 01:55:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2014, 01:54:27 PM

The list of 2016 GOP hopefuls reads like a VW bug stuffed with clowns

Christie

 :heh

Jindal

 :mindblown

Cruz

:neogaf

Rand "Baby Doc" Paul

:ufup :paul

They're going to spend all primary season trying to out insane each other in order to appeal to the base, meanwhile Hillary is gonna be basically pointing and laughing, then collecting her W in November.

No shit. We fucking suck balls.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 01:57:46 PM

What about Rick Perry, guys? :smug :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 01:58:35 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 01:57:46 PM

What about Rick Perry, guys? :smug :hitler

:mindblown   :paul

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2014, 01:59:41 PM

I kinda like Rand Paul brehs.
:tocry

too bad he's starting to beat war drums.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 02:00:58 PM

Rand Paul will beat the war drums however hard his base demands him to.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:03:06 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 02:00:58 PM

Rand Paul will beat the war drums however hard his base demands him to.

As part of his base, I wish he'd go back to second guessing everyone else in his party. At least he was effective as an idiot back then. If this man runs our country we will be nuking russia within about 6 minutes of him being sworn in, 6 miles underground.

Just say no to fuckfaces.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 16, 2014, 02:05:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2014, 01:59:41 PM

I kinda like Rand Paul brehs.

 :comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 02:08:34 PM

Here's the thing, whether Hillary is more of a war-monger than Rand Paul isn't the main issue. First of all, Hillary's base doesn't want more war, unless there's just no other viable option. Rand Paul's base, on the other hand, loves them some aggressive, fire-from-hip foreign policy. Then, President Rand Paul is going to be surrounded and supported by war-mongering Neocons from his cabinet down to RW media. They'll push, and he'll comply if he intends to keep them placated. I don't see that being the case with Hillary.

And no, Hillary wouldn't be my first choice.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:09:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 02:08:34 PM

Here's the thing, whether Hillary is more of a war-monger than Rand Paul isn't the main issue. First of all, Hillary's base doesn't want more war, unless there's just no other viable option. Rand Paul's base love them some aggressive, fire-from-hip foreign policy. And, President Rand Paul is going to be surrounded and supported by war-mongering Neocons from his cabinet down to RW media. They'll push, and he'll comply if he intends to keep them placated.

And no, Hillary wouldn't be my first choice.

Is this the election that gets "none applicable"  on the ballet? Because god it really should be.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2014, 02:15:43 PM

I think you'd see Rand hard pressed to do anything. If he is a true libertarian, he isn't going to start throwing out a bunch of new laws to please wingnuts. He would probably get rid of a few first.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:17:05 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 16, 2014, 02:15:43 PM

I think you'd see Rand hard pressed to do anything. If he is a true libertarian, he isn't going to start throwing out a bunch of new laws to please wingnuts. He would probably get rid of a few first.

The only thing that scares me more than libertarian is tea party.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2014, 02:19:19 PM

I don't think Rand would get rid of the ACA either. He'd probably loosen some EPA rules for his coal buddies, but that's about it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 16, 2014, 02:20:56 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 16, 2014, 02:19:19 PM

I don't think Rand would get rid of the ACA either. He'd probably loosen some EPA rules for his coal buddies, but that's about it.

That's for sure. He would definitely reduce the EPA's control. No argument there.

In addition he would increase military spending, piss off Russia, offend females everywhere, and generally be really dicky to our foreign allies.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2014, 02:23:06 PM

Aqua Buddha for all. :aah

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2014, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2014, 01:59:41 PM

I kinda like Rand Paul brehs.
:tocry

too bad he's starting to beat war drums.

I thought you learned your lesson on Republicans after voting for Snyder, breh

:ufup

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2014, 08:36:41 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2014, 07:40:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2014, 01:59:41 PM

I kinda like Rand Paul brehs.
:tocry

too bad he's starting to beat war drums.

I thought you learned your lesson on Republicans after voting for Snyder, breh

:ufup

PD's guilty conscience may move him to vote Democrat, but deep down he longs for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, and rule him like a king.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

/Simpsons reference that PD won't get

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2014, 08:53:09 PM

How come we're not all up in arms over the all-important issue of white-on-white crime? (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/roberta-thompson-eyewitness-palin-brawl)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 16, 2014, 09:11:57 PM

Quote

    Democrats have reversed the partisan imbalance on the federal appeals courts that long favored conservatives, a little-noticed shift with far-reaching consequences for the law and President Obama’s legacy.
     
    For the first time in more than a decade, judges appointed by Democratic presidents considerably outnumber judges appointed by Republican presidents. The Democrats’ advantage has only grown since late last year when they stripped Republicans of their ability to filibuster the president’s nominees.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/another-aspect-presidential-legacy-the-courts

:bow Thank you based Harry Reid. :bow2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 16, 2014, 11:52:42 PM

http://ourbadmedia.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/fareed-zakaria-never-stopped-plagiarizing-how-dozens-of-episodes-of-his-cnn-show-ripped-others-off/

whoops

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 17, 2014, 12:31:14 AM

Goddamn it, Fareed.  :-\

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2014, 12:51:03 AM

D'Souza's Revenge.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2014, 01:06:23 AM

lol there literally is a defense force for everything on GAF

I could have saved so much time in my life if I had known you don't need to cite sources for things you say are facts. Especially if it will ruin the flow of your writing that you lifted from someone else.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2014, 11:41:27 AM

"People say..."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2014, 10:58:33 PM

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/15/libertarian-utopia-styled-after-ayn-rand-book-spectacularly-falls-apart-almost-immediately/

Quote

“When you ‘sold’ us the property, when you printed out a photo from your phone that read ‘Wendy’s tree,’ did you know you could not legally sell us the lot you were offering?” He said, “That is correct.”

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2014, 11:16:03 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2014, 10:58:33 PM

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/15/libertarian-utopia-styled-after-ayn-rand-book-spectacularly-falls-apart-almost-immediately/

Quote

“When you ‘sold’ us the property, when you printed out a photo from your phone that read ‘Wendy’s tree,’ did you know you could not legally sell us the lot you were offering?” He said, “That is correct.”

:neogaf

A true libertarian hero! :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 18, 2014, 01:06:47 AM

Of course libertopians will just say it wasn't "free" enough to be a real test of libertopian ideals.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 18, 2014, 02:43:39 AM

Horns and Hoofs Gulch. :heh

e: Srsly doe, sorry that people got ripped off--especially the ones who went all in on a con like this.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 18, 2014, 06:49:40 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2014, 10:58:33 PM

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/15/libertarian-utopia-styled-after-ayn-rand-book-spectacularly-falls-apart-almost-immediately/

Quote

“When you ‘sold’ us the property, when you printed out a photo from your phone that read ‘Wendy’s tree,’ did you know you could not legally sell us the lot you were offering?” He said, “That is correct.”

:neogaf

When you get right down to it, there's really only two types of right-wingers: the scammers and the scammees.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 18, 2014, 09:03:45 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on September 18, 2014, 07:45:18 AM

Quote from: Totally Not Ronito on September 18, 2014, 01:06:47 AM

Of course libertopians will just say it wasn't "free" enough to be a real test of libertopian ideals.

Well yeah. No 1.25 acre lots? The fuck is that shit?

I want to see one of these actually get off the ground without being fucked over by some third world government.

:umad

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2014, 09:57:55 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/don-lemon-discipline-children-dog

CNN anchor Don Lemon, no stranger to the occasional head-scratching observation, took a debate over corporal punishment to a strange place on Wednesday night with a pair of remarks.

Lemon took issue with his colleague Chris Cuomo, who argued that research clearly shown that spanking children is not effective discipline.

He told Cuomo that his parents used corporal punishment on him and he, in turn, employed similar methods on his pet.

"Listen, I went to training — I hate to do this — with my dog, and fear is the same thing," Lemon said. "You have to teach who's in control."

"It doesn't matter whether it's fear or what have you, I'm saying this, because it stops you from doing it," he added.

Lemon eventually admitted that the child abuse allegations against Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson have caused him to "evolve" on the matter; he just doesn't think spanking should be completely taken off the table.

The anchor said Peterson's alleged abuse has also prompted him to examine the historical nature of the issue.

“Especially for me as an African-American, because the question is where did you learn that from? Was that learned from the slave master? Getting the switch? Being beaten?” Lemon asked.

That point left Cuomo and CNN's Alisyn Camerota a bit confused.

"How is that a rationale?” Cuomo said. “Help me with this. Is this white man's ignorance? I keep hearing this. Well, maybe it was passed down from slave culture. Why would that be a rationale to continue a practice like this? Isn’t that the last thing you would want to continue?”

"Because Chris, the slaves were beaten and some people had to go and get the whip," Lemon responded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szABfSLDAWU

:what

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 18, 2014, 10:21:18 AM

I'm still not convinced that Don Lemon isn't some white guy in shoe polish. Just sayin'.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 18, 2014, 01:41:20 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/cliven-bundy-blames-state-for-faulty-fence-after-woman-sues-him-for-interstate-cow-crash/ (http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/cliven-bundy-blames-state-for-faulty-fence-after-woman-sues-him-for-interstate-cow-crash/)

:neogaf x ∞

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2014, 02:02:50 PM

(http://static.gamespot.com/uploads/original/1338/13388005/2389133-4949054815-micha.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 18, 2014, 02:24:20 PM

How is Cliven Bundy STILL not in jail?  >:(

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2014, 07:33:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Pa16JPUlY

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2014, 08:30:15 PM

http://time.com/3395791/occupy-wall-street-activists-suing-ex-member-over-twitter-account/

Quote

A group of Occupy activists filed a lawsuit in a Manhattan court Wednesday alleging that one of their ex-members had gone rogue and hijacked the account for himself, locking everyone else out.

The lawsuit says that Adbusters — the Canadian magazine that first called for demonstrators to occupy New York City’s financial spine — opened the @OccupyWallStNYC Twitter account in summer 2011, according to the New York Times.

Adbusters later gave the account to Marisa Holmes, an activist and filmmaker, who apparently shared the account’s password with 14 group members who all tweeted from it.

Or they did until this August, when one activist, Justin Wedes, changed the password.

In blog post soon after the takeover, Wedes said that the relationships among the account’s users — whom he called #TweetBoat — had degenerated over the past few years, into a “dust storm of festering interpersonal conflict.”

That month, he “started to worry about the future of the boat,” wrote Wedes, who has not returned media requests for comment.

“I don’t shy away from currently being the chief steward of this account,” he said, “and my plan is to reinvigorate it again by putting it back in the hands of responsible stewards.”

In a long statement entitled “The Wolf of Occupy Wall Street,” the group excoriated Wedes for using its Twitter account for self-promotion and pulling “a power grab” that “violated our basic principles of organizing within Occupy.”

Occupy — which just celebrated its third birthday on Sept. 17 — said it had asked Wedes in August to cut down on his tweeting from the account, after too many referred to his controversial personal project for water rights in Detroit.

“Throughout our brief history there have been opportunists who would use the name to build their personal careers and benefit financially from their association with Occupy Wall Street,” said the group, adding that it disavows “any connection between this individual and the movement at large.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2014, 09:49:55 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/218134-left-blasts-hillary-clinton-in-secret-emails

Quote

Clayton suggested in an email from January of this year that without a more liberal alternative to Clinton, the party would splinter: “if we have no Progressive candidate with legitimate street cred about taking effective bold action to face the vital issues we’re confronting as a country today (which is pretty much Warren and ... cricket, cricket...) in the race for Presidency, that means the abandonment of the Democratic Party by the reemerging and resurgent Left in America.”

2016 is going to look like 1920.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2014, 10:16:32 PM

Implying the left in America is reemerging and resurgent

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2014, 10:20:17 PM

Quote

Billy Wimsatt, the founder of the group, stated in a September 2013 email, “I’m ready for something better and Warren is the only person on the radar who might be significantly better. Warren doesn’t need to appreciate it. Leadership isn’t fun. She doesn’t get to tell people that we can’t want something better.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2014, 11:48:15 PM

Treat politics as if they're a way to fulfill your hopes and aspirations instead of to control your environment, brehs

These fuckers need to stfu and stick to drum circles

 :pacspit

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2014, 11:50:39 PM

HEY! You don't get to tell people they can't want something better EITHER!!!!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 19, 2014, 02:39:40 AM

Excoriate(d) is a Black Library oft-used thesaurus word. WTG for reaching 40K :trash tier, Time. :clap

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on September 19, 2014, 03:04:23 AM

 :-\

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 03:07:21 AM

Time: "Will bombings in Syria lead to more blood for the blood god; skulls for the skull throne?"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on September 19, 2014, 03:13:05 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 03:07:21 AM

Time: "Will bombings in Syria lead to more blood for the blood god; skulls for the skull throne?"

CNN: Recent breakthroughs in medicine could mean that even death our troops will still serve

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2014, 09:18:50 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3UvypuAcY0

:comeon

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2014, 09:22:35 AM

Well, let's think about this for a minute, if we invade and annex Mexico...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 10:43:58 AM

LASER BLITZ SOME PEOPLE WITH FIGHTER JETS TO MAKE YOUR POINT! WHISPERING, I'M TOTALLY DOWN FOR STARTING A WAR WITH MEXICO!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 19, 2014, 11:00:58 AM

I say we send down Optimus Prime to deal with the threat.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 19, 2014, 12:56:22 PM

Quote from: toku on September 19, 2014, 03:13:05 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 03:07:21 AM

Time: "Will bombings in Syria lead to more blood for the blood god; skulls for the skull throne?"

CNN: Recent breakthroughs in medicine could mean that even death our troops will still serve

I like the drop off in likes from Joe's to this one. You can tell you've fallen down the obscure 40K reference hole even though this one is from a semi-popular vidcon.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is why I didn't even bother to try and make one of my own because I knew only Cheezmo might get it. :shh

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2014, 01:10:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2014, 11:48:15 PM

Treat politics as if they're a way to fulfill your hopes and aspirations instead of to control your environment, brehs

These fuckers need to stfu and stick to drum circles

 :pacspit

What exactly would Warren accomplish with a republican House of Representatives?
:heh

The goal should be to elect more Warren types in the house and senate every couple years. So the next time a democrat president gets elected he/she isn't greeted by Blanche Lincoln and Joe Lieberman types...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 19, 2014, 01:19:59 PM

Fuck it.

HuffPo: Obama on criticisms from the left of his presidency - "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rf_3ZTp4eG4)."

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"And I serve the Changer of Ways." :phil

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I was going to put, "The dark God, the Changer of Ways," but no racist.

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Isador :tocry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2014, 01:28:56 PM

But that's the problem with this country, we need more statesmen like Lieberman and McCain and Graham and Baucus and Mark Pryor and Arlen Specter and Jim Jeffords and Evan Bayh and Olympia Snowe and Lincoln Chafee and John Breaux.

People who are willing to reach across the aisle and pass something, anything, to get their name in the news and invited on more talk shows and have more profiles about their patriotic sacrifice for this country that makes them Presidential material.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 19, 2014, 07:42:43 PM

Quote from: Sovok on September 19, 2014, 02:39:40 AM

Excoriate(d) is a Black Library oft-used thesaurus word. WTG for reaching 40K :trash tier, Time. :clap

Addendum: http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Excoriators

Remembered this one in the car today. :dead

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I understood every word of that article's introductory paragraph. :stahp

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 09:36:18 PM

Quote from: Sovok on September 19, 2014, 12:56:22 PM

Quote from: toku on September 19, 2014, 03:13:05 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 03:07:21 AM

Time: "Will bombings in Syria lead to more blood for the blood god; skulls for the skull throne?"

CNN: Recent breakthroughs in medicine could mean that even death our troops will still serve

I like the drop off in likes from Joe's to this one. You can tell you've fallen down the obscure 40K reference hole even though this one is from a semi-popular vidcon.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is why I didn't even bother to try and make one of my own because I knew only Cheezmo might get it. :shh

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Pulling in some cheap likes with literally one of the only things I know about Warhammer. It's so heretical, brehs. :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 20, 2014, 07:13:35 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2014, 09:36:18 PM

Pulling in some cheap likes with literally one of the only things I know about Warhammer. It's so heretical, brehs. :lawd

When I said y'all needed to find the eightfold path I actually meant for you to find Khorne (http://www.blacklibrary.com/horus-heresy/advent-day-eight-kharn-the-eightfold-path-mp3.html). :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2014, 10:25:21 AM

Are you one of those Soulcage Slaveship status noobs who never actually played 40k?
:hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2014, 08:30:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DveDwEk122Y

:obama

too bad he supports airstrikes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 20, 2014, 08:32:28 PM

47 minutes of Rand Paul? That's almost a John Galt-esque diatribe level no matter what he's talking about.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2014, 11:45:18 PM

There's no way Ran Paul can talk for 45 minutes without saying something insane.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on September 22, 2014, 12:13:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=no_rClZ-sbI

Popeyegate, Thorghazi, and Wonder Woman's patriotism called into question

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2014, 11:35:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekk7vj5Q2g8

 :mynicca

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2014, 11:35:47 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/22/obama-michael-boggs_n_5860730.html

Another Obama nominee torpedoed by obstructionist Republicans SJWs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2014, 11:36:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4Gj_aGV8Tg

 :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2014, 11:39:51 AM

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2014, 11:42:45 AM

Just another turd on bullshit mountain.  :yuck

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2014, 11:48:02 AM

Airstrikes. Bomb them! Bomb them! Keep bombing them! Bomb them again and again!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2014, 12:05:35 PM

Bombing Arabs is the Final Fantasy XV of American foreign politics. It's been in development for a while under a variety of different names, all with few obvious results, it kinda hit a lull, people started to lose interest, but now we've got some new videos, some new talent involved, development is ramping back up, and it's starting to feel fresh and exciting again.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2014, 12:38:37 PM

"I've been telling you for months that you need to be afraid."

:beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 12:43:37 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2014, 11:35:47 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/22/obama-michael-boggs_n_5860730.html

Another Obama nominee torpedoed by obstructionist Republicans SJWs.

Good.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2014, 12:46:06 PM

Quote from: Esch on September 22, 2014, 12:26:49 PM

:dead

The greatest threat in American history.

Even worse than Obamacare and Socialism.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2014, 12:50:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwCDIGuMK4

 :holeup

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 01:21:09 PM

Quote from: Esch on September 22, 2014, 12:58:08 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2014, 12:38:37 PM

"I've been telling you for months that you need to be afraid."

:beli

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/mjlol.png) at Republicans making it seem like Obama is allowing a portal full of Burning Legion Arabs to open right in front of the White House.

did you just out yourself as a WoW stan?
:hitler

second best expansion
:lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 01:25:46 PM

I always want to hate on W3 but honestly, while I didn't play it nearly as much as W2...it was a good game overall. The depth of the multiplayer options
:lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2014, 01:34:51 PM

I like how I'm supposed to tremble at people getting inside the White House fence. The fence is like a fucking mile from the residence at this point. They aren't going over it at the part that's got actual security.

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Why should I care that anyone gets near the President anyway?

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2014, 02:16:43 PM

The NSA is watching you take that picture through your own phone's camera. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 22, 2014, 02:22:51 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 22, 2014, 02:16:43 PM

The NSA is watching you take that picture through your own phone's camera. :heh

Probably...and since it's run like every other government organization it will require a sign off with 82 levels of approval in order to call the phone and tell said person to stop being a troll.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2014, 02:39:36 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2014/09/22/investing/defense-stocks-isis-bounce/index.html?iid=Lead

Wag the dog, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2014, 02:51:10 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/eric-bolling-and-anthony-weiner-are-going-at-it-on-twitter-right-now/

(http://i.imgur.com/Sk1GHHf.png) :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 22, 2014, 04:41:29 PM

Quote from: Esch on September 22, 2014, 01:22:56 PM

No, I only played the RTS.

MMO gaming :pacspit ruined all the story lines in the original games :pacspit modern Blizzard

Warcraft 3 ruined the Warcraft story plenty enough on its own breh. :beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 22, 2014, 04:42:56 PM

Playing video games for the story

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 22, 2014, 05:10:44 PM

There was a Warcraft story ???

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 22, 2014, 05:22:24 PM

Yes and my brain is full of stupid shit like the betrayal of Alterac that is best left there and on WoWpedia.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 05:41:01 PM

Quote from: Esch on September 22, 2014, 04:57:27 PM

Quote from: Vularai on September 22, 2014, 04:41:29 PM

Warcraft 3 ruined the Warcraft story plenty enough on its own breh. :beli

my counterpoint:

no it didn't

eh....

W3's story definitely had some lol worthy shit but it also laid the basis for some of the best WarCraft stories, and early parts of WoW. Namely Stratholme and the fall of Arthas.

People who shit on WoW's story are usually people who don't know anything about it. I thought the lore and shit was fine initially but turned to utter shit later. All the Lich King stuff is good. In fact it's a direct continuation of W3's story.

I really think WoW died with Arthas. After I killed him I just didn't feel like there was much else to give a shit about.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 22, 2014, 08:35:41 PM

I saw the Expendables 3 and they made a reference to BENGHAZI!

Now I don't feel so bad for it bombing.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on September 22, 2014, 10:00:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2014, 12:50:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNwCDIGuMK4

 :holeup

I actually let out a "aha! whew!" irl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2014, 10:12:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnMd40dqBlQ

More females in gaming would be a Road Rash to Serfdom #gamergate

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 10:56:22 PM

Quote from: Esch on September 22, 2014, 09:32:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 05:41:01 PM

People who shit on WoW's story are usually people who don't know anything about it.

FOH. all that shit did was kill off major characters of interest in expansions and introduce older, badder baddies with no human appeal.

killing off characters in fantasy is how it's supposed to be, my good man.
 :jawalrus

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 11:01:01 PM

important people died in the last two books?
 :jawalrus

we gonna talk about ISIS brehs? yall scared? hope they don't murk me next
 :jawalrus

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2014, 11:30:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2014, 11:01:01 PM

we gonna talk about ISIS brehs? yall scared? hope they don't murk me next
 :jawalrus

Don't worry, THE COALITION is destroying them as we speak, and the usuals over on GAF are warning to be on the lookout for any anti-war propaganda.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: IrishNinja on September 23, 2014, 01:14:34 AM

Quote from: Esch on September 22, 2014, 11:28:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYcSqIuqkz4

ahaha nice

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also, she could get it

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2014, 01:17:25 AM

I like how there's no quality footage of her quitting that I've seen yet, not even in her own video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3VwtDfGajQ

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2014, 02:04:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZlsKvOkHIY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41yJTxrPFhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDKWRRnS-BQ

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 23, 2014, 12:13:32 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=900122

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2014, 02:18:24 PM

Use F-22s against rag tag dirtpersons, brehs
:beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2014, 03:35:48 PM

America dodged a bullet.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/buster/department-justice/dsouza-spared-prison-time-980347

(http://i.imgur.com/Tu5ZxK0.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2014, 03:45:52 PM

I'd give up half my income just to see him do 8 months in Angola instead.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 23, 2014, 04:29:25 PM

Dude is straight trash  :pacspit

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 23, 2014, 04:42:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2014, 03:45:52 PM

I'd give up half my income just to see him do 8 months in Angola instead.

You could probably convince him to go there by saying they give away free limos and save yourself the scratch.

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I think only Momo will get this one. :goty2

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2014, 04:50:57 PM

Dude is gonna have to do community service tho, that's almost worse for a bootstraps kinda dude like D'souza

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2014, 08:39:30 PM

His community service will probably be going to red state schools and forcing kids to watch America: The Movie.  :yuck

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 23, 2014, 08:48:25 PM

 http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/09/15/libertarian-utopia-styled-after-ayn-rand-book-spectacularly-falls-apart-almost-immediately/

Been posted?


:paul

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 23, 2014, 09:05:20 PM

Yes but I'm sure everyone would like to learn more about the story indulge in schadenfreude.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2014, 10:29:24 PM

My freudes were thoroughly schadened.  :aah

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2014, 01:01:24 AM

But Esch, not all utopias are equal. Clearly this one was an inferior product and the market decided its fate.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 01:35:02 AM

But is anarchy also not a state? :ohhh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2014, 01:38:08 AM

I don't have to tell you about that state, Vularai.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 01:43:04 AM

You don't want to state the obvious? :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 24, 2014, 02:03:19 AM

These last few post have left me in a state of ennui.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: bluemax on September 24, 2014, 02:12:30 AM

Quote from: Vularai on September 22, 2014, 05:22:24 PM

Yes and my brain is full of stupid shit like the betrayal of Alterac that is best left there and on WoWpedia.

You're like a Tolkien level scholar on 40k so this in no way surprises me.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2014, 02:20:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/loibbwW.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 24, 2014, 08:20:48 AM

Quote from: chronovore on September 24, 2014, 02:20:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/loibbwW.png)

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 10:12:51 AM

Quote from: chronovore on September 24, 2014, 02:20:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/loibbwW.png)

http://i.imgur.com/Nxb6nZ1.png

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 24, 2014, 10:14:09 AM

The one where Greece buys the submarines is still the best Polandball comic imo

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 10:27:33 AM

Quote from: Broseidon on September 24, 2014, 10:14:09 AM

The one where Greece buys the submarines is still the best Polandball comic imo

I like the one where Estonia is all excited to join the euro and Greece, Portugal and Ireland lift up their Germany disguise and are like, "Gotcha. :win"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 24, 2014, 11:12:52 AM

Quote

"Isn't fossil fuels the ultimate renewable energy? It's renewed once. It used to be a dinosaur. Now it's fuel. How is that not renewable?"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 24, 2014, 11:15:57 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 24, 2014, 11:12:52 AM

Quote

"Isn't fossil fuels the ultimate renewable energy? It's renewed once. It used to be a dinosaur. Now it's fuel. How is that not renewable?"

:lawd

I'm just going to stroll over and pick some coal out of the coal tree.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 24, 2014, 12:59:19 PM

I've becoming entirely self-sufficient after I turned those unused flowerboxes at my house into a petroleum farm!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 24, 2014, 01:14:44 PM

Quote from: Vularai on September 24, 2014, 10:12:51 AM

Quote from: chronovore on September 24, 2014, 02:20:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/loibbwW.png)

http://i.imgur.com/Nxb6nZ1.png

I like how the maple leaf is making a (http://i.imgur.com/lIHLJn5.png) motion

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 02:10:03 PM

Quote from: Esch on September 24, 2014, 10:14:17 AM

Where are benji and jaydub when you need them. I need that spin

:lawd

(https://8chan.co/gg/src/1411508161183.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 09:07:35 PM

From the climate protest in Oakland:
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_9513.jpg)

But even better, BA SUPPORTERS:
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6390.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2014, 09:12:58 PM

Sounds like a great party.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/cfVDPD2.gif)

amirite?

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 09:20:55 PM

MERCHANDISE
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6147a.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_9490a.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6329.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_9340.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6431.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_9456.jpg)

[close]

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 24, 2014, 09:21:59 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2014, 09:12:58 PM

Sounds like a great party.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/cfVDPD2.gif)

amirite?

[close]

Can I dj?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsOMEUamYkc

:rock

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 10:21:13 PM

:bow Bob Avakian represent. :bow2

:dead @ giving away On the Jewish Question after 1948.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 10:34:47 PM

They sell this stuff and there's a strange huge anti-Israel only contingent that shows up at all this crap and tries to make whatever the subject of the rally about it hence all the Palestine/Gaza merchandise, they're just catering to the customer base like good capitalists.

I guess they came in through World Can't Wait. One CPUSA (I think, who can keep them all straight when their dumb tables are all right next to each other) guy told me at an Occupy thing he'd prefer the Ron Paulers to stick around their movement if it meant the anti-Israeli cacs went away and stopped trying to make everything about it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I didn't have the heart to tell him to read Lew Rockwell's archives.  :shh

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 10:35:57 PM

Speaking of their dumb tables, man, do they fight over where those get to go. It's almost like they think that people can like own parts of land or something.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2014, 10:43:47 PM

It's so acerbic friends.

If it was a CPUSA table it would be manned by old white men, which makes it indistinguishable from 90% of Trot groups I know but it's the best description I can give you.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 10:53:14 PM

It certainly was a Trot, I asked him if he knew which table was the Maoists because that's who I wanted to talk to for whatever it was I was doing and he couldn't tell me if one was a M-L or Maoist group because he "doesn't pay attention to those nutjobs."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 09:20:55 PM

MERCHANDISE
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6147a.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_9490a.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6329.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_9340.jpg)
(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_6431.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://cdn.pjmedia.com/zombie/files/2014/09/IMG_9456.jpg)

[close]

I'd rather dryfuck a bag of razor blades then be within 15 miles of this bullshit.

Abolish Work? LOL...really? I picture the hipster professing this shit while holding a starbuks coffee, wearing glasses, and sporting abercrombie and fitch clothes all provided by...workers.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 25, 2014, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

all provided by...workers.

makes u think

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 09:40:38 AM

Quote from: Broseidon on September 25, 2014, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

all provided by...workers.

makes u think

Think what? That the world is full of self-entitled little shits who think they should get whatever they want for free?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 25, 2014, 09:43:14 AM

...but enough about hedge fund managers and politicians.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 09:44:41 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 25, 2014, 09:43:14 AM

...but enough about hedge fund managers and politicians.

LOL


Just saying, you work...you get paid...you buy stuff...you die..

Life is pretty simple.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2014, 09:51:02 AM

goes to show you can find plenty of insane people on the far left, like the far right.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:willco

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 25, 2014, 11:44:07 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iff7mNsGK50

(http://i.imgur.com/lj6SRXh.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2014, 12:01:38 PM

Great video. I'm all about respecting minorities.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2014, 12:28:16 PM

Republicans
Care about climate change

Am I doing this right?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on September 25, 2014, 12:40:30 PM

Benji is from Oakland?  That was like right across the street from my old place :dayum

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 03:50:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2014, 12:28:16 PM

Republicans
Care about climate change

Am I doing this right?

LOL, no...we could give two shits...extra water means profits, son.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Barry Egan on September 25, 2014, 03:59:34 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on September 25, 2014, 09:38:56 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

all provided by...workers.

makes u think

(http://media.tumblr.com/ddcf164f3e07d780d1f9dae9f7a4de81/tumblr_inline_ncbr9uUNUZ1qj8i9c.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 25, 2014, 04:08:09 PM

so, Eric Holder decided to take his ball and go home. (http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/25/politics/eric-holder-resignation/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

Quote from: CNN

Holder has agreed to remain in his post until the confirmation of his successor, a Justice Department official confirmed to CNN.

well, golly.  Just a hunch, something tells me he'll be in the job for a while yet.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2014, 04:40:28 PM

He always said he wouldn't stay for all of the second term, I don't see why this is huge news.

The replacement some in the senate have in mind is a gay dude so yea...Holder isn't going anywhere soon lol.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 25, 2014, 05:06:26 PM

Better fast track his replacement before the next Senate starts, unless you want Attorney General James O'keefe or whatever

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 25, 2014, 05:14:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 24, 2014, 10:53:14 PM

It certainly was a Trot, I asked him if he knew which table was the Maoists because that's who I wanted to talk to for whatever it was I was doing and he couldn't tell me if one was a M-L or Maoist group because he "doesn't pay attention to those nutjobs."

Much as it pains me to type this, and at the risk of being purged at a future date for typing it, in the American scene (some) Trot groups are actually the sanest of parties / organizations on the Leninist spectrum.

White Maoists in the global core. :holeup

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on September 25, 2014, 05:21:16 PM

Really tho why is it always the Maoists who are the crazy ones who end up leading cults n shit?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 25, 2014, 05:24:20 PM

Well it is a derivative of Stalinism.

(Not that Trots are much better in this regard.)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2014, 06:38:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on September 25, 2014, 12:40:30 PM

Benji is from Oakland?  That was like right across the street from my old place :dayum

Naw, those are all from Zombie. Who's always taking pictures of left-wing protests to expose that people from the left attend them.

I just like seeing the dumb signs and tables she posts.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 25, 2014, 09:17:30 AM

I'd rather dryfuck a bag of razor blades then be within 15 miles of this bullshit.

Abolish Work? LOL...really? I picture the hipster professing this shit while holding a starbuks coffee, wearing glasses, and sporting abercrombie and fitch clothes all provided by...workers.

http://whywork.org/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2014, 07:45:41 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/chrisgeidner/conservatives-launch-unprecedented-campaign-against-pro-marr#44ih635

Quote

WASHINGTON — Conservative activists are launching “an unprecedented campaign” against three Republican candidates — two of whom are out gay men — because of their support for marriage equality and abortion.

The National Organization for Marriage, Family Research Council Action, and CitizenLink “will mount a concerted effort to urge voters to refuse to cast ballots” for Republican House candidates Carl DeMaio in California and Richard Tisei in Massachusetts and Republican Senate candidate Monica Wehby in Oregon, according to a letter sent to Republican congressional and campaign leaders on Thursday.

“We cannot in good conscience urge our members and fellow citizens to support candidates like DeMaio, Tisei or Wehby,” the presidents of the three groups write. “They are wrong on critical, foundational issues of importance to the American people. Worse, as occupants of high office they will secure a platform in the media to advance their flawed ideology and serve as terrible role models for young people who will inevitably be encouraged to emulate them.”

DeMaio and Tisei are the only out LGBT federal candidates from the Republican Party to be appearing on the ballot this fall.

“The Republican Party platform is a ‘statement of who we are and what we believe.’ Thus, the platform supports the truth of marriage as the union of husband and wife, and recognizes the sanctity and dignity of human life,” NOM President Brian S. Brown said in a statement.

Brown called it “extremely disappointing” to see candidates supported “who reject the party’s principled positions on these and other core issues.”

Of the effort to urge people to oppose DeMaio, Tisei, and Wehby, he said, “We cannot sit by when people calling themselves Republicans seek high office while espousing positions that are antithetical to the overwhelming majority of Republicans.”

The letter was sent to House Speaker John Boehner, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, National Republican Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Greg Walden, National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman Jerry Moran, and others in Republican congressional leadership.

In it, the three conservative groups also warned that it is a “grave error” for the party to be supporting “candidates who do not hold core Republican beliefs and, in fact, are working to actively alienate the Republican base.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 25, 2014, 07:50:45 PM

On one hand I have no problem letting the republicans keep republicans out of office.
On the other, marriage equality and all that....

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2014, 07:55:57 PM

Man, those groups still don't get it. Few more years of Ls and maybe they'll realize the tide has turned. There will always be people who oppose abortion, and I'd imagine their numbers increase every time soon-to-be parents look at ultrasounds. But gay marriage isn't even a moral issue to most people anymore, and the average person can think of a single way it "hurts" their daily life.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 25, 2014, 08:29:29 PM

Quote from: Esch on September 25, 2014, 06:48:02 PM

Better get used to the concept of work not existing. The machines are going to do it for us.

(http://i.imgur.com/tQYypAO.png)

There's always plenty of servile work to be done. :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2014, 08:33:47 PM

the #duality of advanced robot comedians joking about humans having to sell crack or play basketball. The year is 2100.

(http://i.imgur.com/tQYypAO.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 26, 2014, 01:51:54 AM

I was thinking more like tossing salad.

Robots can jump out of the gym and they can certainly sling.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on September 26, 2014, 02:10:39 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2014, 07:55:57 PM

Man, those groups still don't get it. Few more years of Ls and maybe they'll realize the tide has turned. There will always be people who oppose abortion, and I'd imagine their numbers increase every time soon-to-be parents look at ultrasounds. But gay marriage isn't even a moral issue to most people anymore, and the average person can think of a single way it "hurts" their daily life.

It still is to about half the country. And more than half now find gay sex to be a sin. The tide is kind of in stasis no matter how many laws are overturned.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

I am a republican, I am under 40, I have no issues with gay marriage...none.

Also am in favor of abortion

omg plot twist.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2014, 10:35:53 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

Exactly. There are many articles about evangelicals struggling to contain gay marriage support amongst some of their younger members. It's a demographics game, and the dominant group who opposes it is on their way to the grave.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:38:27 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2014, 10:35:53 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

Exactly. There are many articles about evangelicals struggling to contain gay marriage support amongst some of their younger members. It's a demographics game, and the dominant group who opposes it is on their way to the grave.

Absolutely. While there are still several in the younger generation that are being taught "biblical hate" for lack of a better term, the majority of us realize that people are in fact gay and that women should have control of their own bodies. That's just 101 shit man.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 26, 2014, 10:52:53 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

I am a republican, I am under 40, I have no issues with gay marriage...none.

Also am in favor of abortion

omg plot twist.

So what you're telling me is that you're not republican. Filthy liberal.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:56:38 AM

Quote from: ronito on September 26, 2014, 10:52:53 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

I am a republican, I am under 40, I have no issues with gay marriage...none.

Also am in favor of abortion

omg plot twist.

So what you're telling me is that you're not republican. Filthy liberal.

I hates me some government intrusion and don't want to pay taxes. Not liberal

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on September 26, 2014, 11:39:59 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:56:38 AM

Quote from: ronito on September 26, 2014, 10:52:53 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

I am a republican, I am under 40, I have no issues with gay marriage...none.

Also am in favor of abortion

omg plot twist.

So what you're telling me is that you're not republican. Filthy liberal.

I hates me some government intrusion and don't want to pay taxes. Not liberal

So, libertarian, then.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 11:41:27 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on September 26, 2014, 11:39:59 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:56:38 AM

Quote from: ronito on September 26, 2014, 10:52:53 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on September 26, 2014, 10:03:29 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 09:52:47 AM

Support for gay marriage is polling over 50% right now [with those in opposition sitting around 40%], with even younger Republicans more in support of it than opposed to it. Which means that the biggest group still in opposition is people over 50.

I am a republican, I am under 40, I have no issues with gay marriage...none.

Also am in favor of abortion

omg plot twist.

So what you're telling me is that you're not republican. Filthy liberal.

I hates me some government intrusion and don't want to pay taxes. Not liberal

So, libertarian, then.

I will kill you.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2014, 12:21:54 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/daily-show-showdown-redskins-fans-native-americans

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 26, 2014, 02:36:31 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/24/guess-whos-losing-faith-in-the-american-dream-everyone/?tid=rssfeed

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on September 26, 2014, 03:28:11 PM

edit: argh nm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 26, 2014, 03:32:26 PM

Quote from: ronito on September 26, 2014, 02:36:31 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/09/24/guess-whos-losing-faith-in-the-american-dream-everyone/?tid=rssfeed

The future millionaires club is losing it's grip.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 26, 2014, 05:20:17 PM

They seem to be holding strong in the demographic that has a bunch of senators despite having little of the population. :tocry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 26, 2014, 05:42:02 PM

Quote from: Vularai on September 26, 2014, 05:20:17 PM

They seem to be holding strong in the demographic that has a bunch of senators despite having little of the population. :tocry

it's almost as if dollars count for more votes than heads (http://i.minus.com/jbuwzsBt3Y22gC.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2014, 06:09:24 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sarah-palin-1400-pennsylvania-avenue

Quote

Sarah Palin probably meant "1600 Pennsylvania Avenue" when, during a speech at the 2014 Values Voter Summit on Friday, she said there's a lack of truth coming out of "1400 Pennsylvania Avenue."

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 26, 2014, 08:22:41 PM

To be fair, she has a hard time locating things that she can't see from her house.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2014, 02:49:24 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/republicans-rallying-religious-liberty-25773378

Quote

"Oh, the vacuum of American leadership we see in the world," Texas Sen. Ted Cruz declared Friday in a Washington hotel ballroom packed with religious conservatives. "We need a president who will speak out for people of faith, prisoners of conscience."

Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul echoed the theme in a speech describing America as a nation in "spiritual crisis."

"Not a penny should go to any nation that persecutes or kills Christians," said Paul, who like Cruz is openly considering a 2016 presidential bid.

The speaking program included such potential 2016 candidates as former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal. Several possible Republican candidates — New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush among them — did not attend. The group has positions on social issues across the spectrum — from the libertarian-leaning Paul, who favors less emphasis on abortion and gay marriage, to Huckabee, a former Southern Baptist pastor whose conservative social values define his brand.

The event host, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins, said "a fundamental shift" is underway toward religious freedom among Republicans of all stripes.

"Without religious freedom, we lose the ability to even address those other issues," Perkins said of social issues.

...

Jindal, who is also weighing a White House bid, seized on what he called Obama's "silent war" on religious freedom.

"The United States of America did not create religious liberty," Jindal said. "Religious liberty created the United States of America."

...

"Let this generation be the one to stop abortion in America," Indiana Rep. Marlin Stutzman declared, calling on evangelicals to be "happy warriors" in the debate.

Cruz, an evangelical favorite who overwhelmingly won last year's Values Voter presidential straw poll, drew applause for chastising those in the GOP who encourage Republican candidates to downplay "family values."

"How do we win? We defend the values that are American values," Cruz said. "We stand for life. We stand for marriage. We stand for Israel."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2014, 09:28:30 AM

Quote

"We stand for life. We stand for marriage. We stand for Israel."

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 27, 2014, 11:10:17 AM

It's funny cuz Israel kills lots of people and I couldn't get married there even doe I could immigrate there.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 27, 2014, 12:20:47 PM

Wait, let me guess: marriage is a privilege of the religious?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 27, 2014, 12:24:33 PM

Do you know any Ottoman history? Marriage in Israel is basically the old Millet system (communities self-govern). If you're not a part of a community, you can get something like what we would call a civil union in the U.S.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on September 27, 2014, 12:27:47 PM

Not quite as crazy as I had imagined then. Signing a paper in an office isn't good enough for you? Are you a romantic after all? :uguu

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 27, 2014, 12:45:08 PM

IT'S TRUE, ALL I'VE WANTED IS TO BE LOVED. :stahp :tocry

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I would feel bad for appropriating this if it hadn't already been appropriated from the era of American apartheid by the marriage quality movement, but I don't believe in separate but equal. *turns on the benji signal*

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2014, 01:11:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ratDCTm3LQ

And of course no charges will be filed against the cops. :goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2014, 02:16:06 PM

Quote from: Vularai on September 27, 2014, 12:45:08 PM

IT'S TRUE, ALL I'VE WANTED IS TO BE LOVED. :stahp :tocry

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I would feel bad for appropriating this if it hadn't already been appropriated from the era of American apartheid by the marriage quality movement, but I don't believe in separate but equal. *turns on the benji signal*

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You are human and you need to be loved. Just like everybody else does.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 27, 2014, 02:23:30 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/W0ZBcCO.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/4CPBLcu.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 27, 2014, 03:34:41 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2014, 02:16:06 PM

You are human and you need to be loved. Just like everybody else does.

 :pacspit

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:tocry

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2014, 07:54:28 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/secret-service-stumbled-after-gunman-hit-white-house-residence-in-2011/2014/09/27/d176b6ac-442a-11e4-b437-1a7368204804_story.html

:mindblown

yea...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2014, 01:02:18 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/388990/khorosan-group-does-not-exist-andrew-c-mccarthy

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We’re being had. Again.

For six years, President Obama has endeavored to will the country into accepting two pillars of his alternative national-security reality. First, he claims to have dealt decisively with the terrorist threat, rendering it a disparate series of ragtag jayvees. Second, he asserts that the threat is unrelated to Islam, which is innately peaceful, moderate, and opposed to the wanton “violent extremists” who purport to act in its name.

Now, the president has been compelled to act against a jihad that has neither ended nor been “decimated.” The jihad, in fact, has inevitably intensified under his counterfactual worldview, which holds that empowering Islamic supremacists is the path to security and stability. Yet even as war intensifies in Iraq and Syria — even as jihadists continue advancing, continue killing and capturing hapless opposition forces on the ground despite Obama’s futile air raids — the president won’t let go of the charade.

Hence, Obama gives us the Khorosan Group.

The who?

There is a reason that no one had heard of such a group until a nanosecond ago, when the “Khorosan Group” suddenly went from anonymity to the “imminent threat” that became the rationale for an emergency air war there was supposedly no time to ask Congress to authorize.

You haven’t heard of the Khorosan Group because there isn’t one.

...

For a product of the radical Left like Obama, terrorism is a regrettable but understandable consequence of American arrogance. That it happens to involve Muslims is just the coincidental fallout of Western imperialism in the Middle East, not the doctrinal command of a belief system that perceives itself as engaged in an inter-civilizational conflict. For the Left, America has to be the culprit. Despite its inbred pathologies, which we had no role in cultivating, Islam must be the victim, not the cause. As you’ll hear from Obama’s Islamist allies, who often double as Democrat activists, the problem is “Islamophobia,” not Muslim terrorism.

This is a gross distortion of reality, so the Left has to do some very heavy lifting to pull it off. Since the Islamic-supremacist ideology that unites the jihadists won’t disappear, it has to be denied and purged. The “real” jihad becomes the “internal struggle to become a better person.” The scriptural and scholarly underpinnings of Islamic supremacism must be bleached out of the materials used to train our national-security agents, and the instructors who resist going along with the program must be ostracized. The global terror network must be atomized into discrete, disconnected cells moved to violence by parochial political or territorial disputes, with no overarching unity or hegemonic ambition. That way, they can be limned as a manageable law-enforcement problem fit for the courts to address, not a national-security challenge requiring the armed forces.

The president has been telling us for years that he handled al-Qaeda by killing bin Laden. He has been telling us for weeks that the Islamic State — an al-Qaeda renegade that will soon reconcile with the mother ship for the greater good of unity in the anti-American jihad — is a regional nuisance that posed no threat to the United States. In recent days, however, reality intruded on this fiction. Suddenly, tens of thousands of terrorists, armed to the teeth, were demolishing American-trained armies, beheading American journalists, and threatening American targets.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2014, 03:44:50 AM

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There’s also at least one high-profile long-shot on the informal list being circulated inside Obama’s camp: former Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, who left Washington in 2013 to take over the massive University of California system, according to one Democrat with close ties to the White House. Napolitano was the original choice for the job at the start of Obama’s first term – a favorite of then-Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel. Holder, who had considered himself the sole front-runner for the job, was startled during the 2008-09 transition period when he was handed a Department of Justice binder that included headshots of himself and Napolitano as potential AGs.

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2014, 03:52:03 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/govbeat/wp/2014/09/28/in-big-races-debates-few-and-far-between/

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Voters in Michigan torn between giving Gov. Rick Snyder (R) a second term or opting for his opponent, former Rep. Mark Schauer (D), will have only one chance to see the two men share a stage to debate their records. They’re lucky – voters in Minnesota are getting no debates at all: Sen. Al Franken (D-Minn.) has even refused to participate in a Minnesota Public Radio debate at the state fair, a tradition that stretches back 20 years

Across the country, in some of the most competitive contests for Senate seats and governorships and some of the least, incumbent office-holders are refusing to meet their opponents in front of television cameras.

The dearth of televised debates isn’t for lack of trying: Media outlets have proposed dozens of televised forums. But this year, more than ever before, candidates have squabbled over venues, hosts, dates and formats for debates – and as a consequence, all but a small handful of the faceoffs, rare opportunities for voters to weigh two candidates against each other, have been canceled.

Sen. Thad Cochran (R-Miss.) did not debate his primary opponent, state Sen. Chris McDaniel (R), and has not scheduled a debate before his general election showdown with former Rep. Travis Childers (D).

Maine Gov. Paul LePage (R) is threatening to pull out of previously-scheduled debates with his opponent, Rep. Mike Michaud (D), ostensibly because a group running ads on Michaud’s behalf accused LePage of describing Social Security and Medicaid as forms of welfare. In Ohio, the campaign of Gov. John Kasich (R) – sitting on a 20-point lead – said last week it would refuse any and all debates with his opponent, Cuyahoga County Executive Ed FitzGerald (D).

California Gov. Jerry Brown (D) has agreed to only one debate with former Bush administration official Neel Kashkari (R) as he seeks support from voters in the country’s largest state – and insisted it take place on the first Thursday of September, opposite the first NFL game of the season.

In many of these cases, incumbents are rejecting debates they, or their predecessors, had readily agreed to in the past.

...

In Michigan, the Snyder and Schauer campaigns argued over whether a proposed debate before the Detroit Economic Club would be a lunchtime meeting or a prime time event. Either way, just five weeks before Election Day, that debate still hasn’t been scheduled. Snyder’s campaign didn’t respond to an invitation from WOOD-TV in Grand Rapids – so two weeks ago, the station canceled its debate.

The two candidates have managed to agree to just one faceoff: a one-hour, town hall-style gathering moderated by the editorial page editors of the Detroit News and the Detroit Free Press.

Like Snyder, Republican Senate candidate Terri Lynn Land, trailing Rep. Gary Peters (D), has not responded to WOOD-TV’s efforts to schedule a debate. Michigan State University and the League of Women Voters cancelled planned debates too, after Land’s campaign declined invitations.

Colorado voters weighing whether to keep Sen. Mark Udall (D) in office or elect Rep. Cory Gardner (R), will likely have three chances to see the two candidates debate on television – but only after months of atypical uncertainty and delay.

Udall’s campaign was approached by KDVR-TV, Denver’s Fox affiliate, in mid-July, in hopes of scheduling a debate for September or early October. Udall aides did not respond until on Sept. 4, more than seven weeks later, at 11:47 p.m., declining the invitation. The campaign also declined a debate on KCNC-TV, Denver’s CBS affiliate; six years ago, Udall debated his then-rival, Rep. Bob Schaffer (D), on the same station.

“Given that Udall had time to climb mountains over the August recess and that he has time to do a 30-minute sit-down interview with me for our Sunday morning politics show, it’s clear the issue isn’t really a lack of time but a clear – and understandable — strategic decision by the campaign to limit debates,” said Eli Stokols, KDVR’s chief political reporter.

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo (D) did not debate Columbia University law professor Zephyr Teachout (D) before the Sept. 9 Democratic primary. Cuomo told The New York Times he didn’t think debates were necessarily good for democracy. “I’ve been in many debates that I think were a disservice to democracy,” Cuomo said, in a comment he has since classified as a joke. On Saturday, a little over five weeks before Election Day, Cuomo finally agreed to two debates with Republican opponent Rob Astorino.

,,,

“People complain about the debates, that they are too much canned answers, we want more free-flowing conversation. On the other hand, people want a broad range of topics covered,” said Ron Klain, a Democratic strategist who has handled debate preparations for President Obama, former president Bill Clinton and countless other candidates.

“The pendulum has swung towards more questions with shorter answers this time,” Klain added. “We’re seeing answer times in a lot of debates as short as a minute, as short as 45 seconds.”

Candidates seem to have decided that taking criticism from editorial boards for avoiding debates is worth skipping an event that offers them limited political value. Several campaign strategists, who asked for anonymity to speak candidly, said offering an opponent running far behind in the polls a free media platform would amount to political malpractice.

“Debates are not debates. They’re joint press conferences. They’re dueling one-liners designed to fire up your base,” Yepsen said.

I was a bit baffled at how many debates were happening in 2010 and 2012 (I think the fallout from 2012's rape-fest had a major hand in this shift). There's still going to be a billion if not more debates for the Presidential primaries because it's free nationwide advertising and you want those one liners.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2014, 10:15:34 AM

Actually the GOP cut presidential primary debates significantly to avoid a repeat of the embarrassing 2012 debates/clown show.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 29, 2014, 09:58:55 AM

Even if they only have 1 debate, it's going to be embarrassing.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2014, 12:41:07 PM

It's so demonic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9mJpVf4dkc

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 29, 2014, 12:49:38 PM

Michigan politics

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on September 29, 2014, 01:41:22 PM

The political ads around here have a common word, "ultra".  It's either "ultra-liberal so and so blah blah blah" or "ultra-conservative so and so blah blah blah".

It's the time of year where you can tell which of your neighbors are real conservatives. Real conservatives love to put signs in their yard.
We see some of these around:
(http://i.imgur.com/CbhdkQ5.jpg)

My kids were confused about them. I tell them it looks like they don't want NY to be safe.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2014, 01:46:00 PM

If polls are to be believed a month or so out, Republican governors are going to cruise to reelection in FL, MI, OH, WI, etc. All places where they're deeply unpopular but apparently not unpopular enough to lose to idiot Democrats. Sigh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2014, 01:56:30 PM

Looks like Republicans are going to win big this time around thanks to some timely terrorism fear-mongering!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2014, 02:31:26 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2014, 01:46:00 PM

If polls are to be believed a month or so out, Republican governors are going to cruise to reelection in FL, MI, OH, WI, etc. All places where they're deeply unpopular but apparently not unpopular enough to lose to idiot Democrats. Sigh.

eh a poll came out today with Walker down 5 in WI. Florida...smh. That race is so close, despite Scott being a CONVICTED Medicaire fraud. In FLORIDA.

Looks like Snyder is in a close race but he'll win... :obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2014, 03:55:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2014, 02:31:26 PM

Looks like Snyder is in a close race but he'll win... :obama

Haven't these people seen Watchmen or Sucker Punch?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2014, 04:57:37 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/charlotte-clinton-mezvinsky-astrology-111411.html

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Leading astrologers say that Charlotte Clinton Mezvinsky is destined for a future working on social justice and will enjoy a strong relationship with her proud grandparents, Hillary and Bill.

After Chelsea Clinton and Mark Mezvinsky’s daughter was born at 7:03 pm at Lenox Hill Hospital on Manhattan’s Upper East Side on Friday, POLITICO asked astrologers to weigh in on what is written in the stars for the former first daughter’s first daughter.

“She may not follow her family’s politics, but she will follow the family’s activism and social justice and finding a way to serve the world, following in that community organizing path and picking up the roots of her grandparents,”said Ophira Edut, of the AstroTwins and co-author of the book “Momstrology: The AstroTwins’ Guide to Parenting your Little One by the Stars.”

“[Charlotte] is a Libra geared towards relationships, getting along, diplomacy, judicial matters and good breeding,” said Terry Nazon, host of iHeart Radio show “Terry Nazon’s Astrology Nation.” “This little Libra will be geared towards service to others, to fighting for the underdog and for the rights of others.”

Nazon also said that the stars show that Charlotte will “make a great lawyer or judge one day.”

“Unlike most Libra’s who are social butterflies, we will not see her as superficial or casual,” she added. “Charlotte is a deep thinker and will have very few friends that she lets get close to her.”

John Marchesella, the Education Director for the astrology organization the National Council for Geocosmic Research, predicted that her political endeavors would be focused in economics.

“Although she is likely to have political leanings, a strong humanitarian nature, she’s likely to do so from the position of power and money…even if she does have a political future, it would be from the side of politics that is more about finance,” Marchesella said.

...

Charlotte was born when the moon was in the Scorpio position, known as a “Scorpio Moon,” which sets her up for a strong relationship with her grandmother.

“The moon often shows your emotions and also your relationships with the important women in your life, and actually Hillary herself is a Scorpio so [Charlotte will] probably be very close to her grandmother and even a lot like her in certain ways,” Edut said. “The Scorpio moon can be a little bit intense, so she may be a little quiet and sweet but also observing everything and very much like her grandmother, probably very direct when she really does believe or want something.”

Edut also predicted that Charlotte will be grandfather Bill’s “little sidekick.”

“Bill is a Leo and they’re going to have a really great relationship,” she said. “I think with Hillary they’re going to have a very powerful, emotional and maybe spiritual connection, but with Bill it’s going to be a lot of fun. Leos and Libras love to celebrate and play together, those two signs really just like to have a good time. So I think she’ll be the perfect match for his playful side of his personality. I think she’ll be his little sidekick.”

According to Marchesella, Charlotte will “share with [Bill] a lot of his humanitarian characteristics, caring much about social responsibility and social consciousness.”

Edut added, “She really will be ‘Billary,’ because she is going to have his charm and likability and Hillary’s sort of focus and intensity and desire to make things happen, so it’s going to be an interesting combo.”

...

“I think she’s probably going to have a lot of admirers and even be a little flirty,” Edut said.

Scouts also say that her left hand is weak, and she sometimes gets lost on defense because of nearby shiny things.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2014, 05:05:12 PM

Full on "Rome in the latter days of the empire" mode

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2014, 05:56:06 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2014, 05:05:12 PM

Full on "Rome in the latter days of the empire" mode

One of my nicknames as a child was Gaius, maybe I'll be able to start fronting with it now and ditch my weaksauce legal names. :rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2014, 06:30:04 PM

Quote from: Vularai on September 29, 2014, 05:56:06 PM

One of my nicknames as a child was Gaius, maybe I'll be able to start fronting with it now and ditch my weaksauce legal names. :rejoice

Or maybe we'll just give you one name across all forms of identification including usernames and never allow you change it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2014, 07:14:12 PM

How un-NAP of you, benji-kun.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2014, 07:16:35 PM

Heh, Gayus.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2014, 07:21:10 PM

Quote from: Vularai on September 29, 2014, 07:14:12 PM

How un-NAP of you, benji-kun.

It'll be voluntary, like taxes.

/harryreid

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2014, 07:21:24 PM

:fabulous Maximus

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2014, 08:47:48 PM

:drudge TERRORIST KILLS TWO COPS AND IS NOW ROAMING THE COUNTRYSIDE IN NORTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA :drudge

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Considered "extremely dangerous" and possibly armed with an AK-47, officials were forced to close local schools in fear Frein might attack again. Lots of businesses in the area were ordered to stay dark, and some U.S. mail deliveries were suspended out of fear postmen might be exposed as possible targets for the shooter.

IT'S THE REAL THING GUYS ISIS IS HERE THEY'RE-

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"He made statements about wanting to kill law enforcement officers and to commit mass acts of murder," state police commissioner Frank Noonan warned the public at the time. Another official noted the shooter has a "longstanding grudge against law enforcement and government in general" dating back to at least 2006.

A friend was even more explicit.  "He was obviously a big critic of the federal government," a friend name Jack told CNN. (The friend did not give his last name.) "No indications of really any malice towards law enforcement in particular. Most of his aggression was (toward) the federal government."

(http://i.imgur.com/l4hlUSp.jpg)

...

Sorry, guys, false alarm. He's not actually a terrorists after all.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2014, 08:50:48 PM

http://washingtonexaminer.com/article/2554185/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on September 30, 2014, 10:05:19 PM

The Examiner? :beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2014, 10:06:25 PM

Quote from: Vularai on September 30, 2014, 10:05:19 PM

The Examiner? :beli

It's been corroborated by the Washington Post journalist who broke the story about the 2011 story.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 01, 2014, 02:07:48 PM

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/09/republicans-new-black-friend-either-stock-photo-interesting-day/ (http://thedailybanter.com/2014/09/republicans-new-black-friend-either-stock-photo-interesting-day/)

:hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2014, 03:04:18 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 01, 2014, 03:14:12 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2014, 08:47:48 PM

:drudge TERRORIST KILLS TWO COPS AND IS NOW ROAMING THE COUNTRYSIDE IN NORTHEASTERN PENNSYLVANIA :drudge

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Considered "extremely dangerous" and possibly armed with an AK-47, officials were forced to close local schools in fear Frein might attack again. Lots of businesses in the area were ordered to stay dark, and some U.S. mail deliveries were suspended out of fear postmen might be exposed as possible targets for the shooter.

IT'S THE REAL THING GUYS ISIS IS HERE THEY'RE-

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"He made statements about wanting to kill law enforcement officers and to commit mass acts of murder," state police commissioner Frank Noonan warned the public at the time. Another official noted the shooter has a "longstanding grudge against law enforcement and government in general" dating back to at least 2006.

A friend was even more explicit.  "He was obviously a big critic of the federal government," a friend name Jack told CNN. (The friend did not give his last name.) "No indications of really any malice towards law enforcement in particular. Most of his aggression was (toward) the federal government."

(http://i.imgur.com/l4hlUSp.jpg)

...

Sorry, guys, false alarm. He's not actually a terrorists after all.

Welcome to shit that was news a about a month ago. Good timing.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2014, 05:05:45 PM

I was making reference to Fox News et al sounding the terrorism chyron over some guy in OKC killing one of his coworkers after he got fired, trying desperately to tie him to ISIS somehow and raising the specter of Islamic terrorism lurking the streets of American cities, but largely ignoring an actual domestic terrorist who killed a cop and is currently roaming the rural countryside of Pennsylvania. Mostly because this guy is a white, anti-fed type of terrorist, and the other guy is a dark-skinned Muslim.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 01, 2014, 05:53:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2014, 10:06:25 PM

It's been corroborated by the Washington Post journalist who broke the story about the 2011 story.

Oh it's not that I didn't believe the story, it's that I didn't want to give them clicks. :goty2

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 01, 2014, 06:59:12 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 01, 2014, 02:07:48 PM

http://thedailybanter.com/2014/09/republicans-new-black-friend-either-stock-photo-interesting-day/ (http://thedailybanter.com/2014/09/republicans-new-black-friend-either-stock-photo-interesting-day/)

:hitler

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/republicans-are-people-too-stock-photo

They're all stock photos! :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 01, 2014, 07:00:06 PM

I was working on a Massachusetts tax return and went to go look up how they differentiate between nonresident and partial year residents and the instructions for those returns were like 35%-40% Romneycare-related.

Use the tax code to administer social services y'all.

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I've already seen how bad the Obamacare reporting is going to be. :fbm

Good thing I deal little with individual income tax returns. :rejoice

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2014, 08:13:30 PM

Republicans
Use Google Image Search

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on October 01, 2014, 11:17:16 PM

I remember when EA used a stock photo for Tali. I guess whoever did that is Republican.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 01, 2014, 11:21:56 PM

Quote from: helios on October 01, 2014, 11:17:16 PM

I remember when EA used a stock photo for Tali. I guess whoever did that is Republican.

The Bore Decides: What was the most Republican species in Mass Effect?

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Humans because they leave people in poverty to go swashbuckling around the stars playing world police. :ufup

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 09:20:11 AM

Quote from: Vularai on October 01, 2014, 11:21:56 PM

Quote from: helios on October 01, 2014, 11:17:16 PM

I remember when EA used a stock photo for Tali. I guess whoever did that is Republican.

The Bore Decides: What was the most Republican species in Mass Effect?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Humans because they leave people in poverty to go swashbuckling around the stars playing world police. :ufup

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Leviathons.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2014, 12:55:10 PM

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As scandal continues to envelop the Secret Service, InsideSources has learned of a security failure leading up to the 2012 election. Multiple sources inside the Romney presidential campaign confirm that a Secret Service agent provided details of President Obama’s schedule several days prior to the President’s campaign stops becoming public.

While sources involved in other presidential campaigns tell InsideSources that Secret Service detail assigned to each campaign will sometimes disclose private and personal information about those they are assigned to protect to opposing campaign staff, this instance in particular is very revealing of failures inside the Secret Service.

In the closing weeks of the 2012 campaign, a Secret Service agent was on the ground in a key swing state to coordinate security ahead of several campaign stops by the President. The agent, who was married, made advances towards a Romney campaign staff member.

InsideSources spoke with two staffers who witnessed the events in question. Each spoke on condition of anonymity and independently confirmed the details.

In one particular incident at a bar in late October 2012, the Secret Service agent, who had a number of drinks during the meeting, unprompted and in an apparent attempt to impress one of the staffers, began providing details of President Obama’s schedule. The information included times and locations of the President’s events in the final days of the election. The President’s campaign would not release these details of the President’s schedule publicly until several days later.

The sources state that the same agent on a separate occasion provided joy rides in a Secret Service vehicle with the lights flashing.

The leaked schedule was later passed on within the campaign. Others inside the campaign recall seeing the schedule, but the source of the information was not revealed. The schedule, therefore, was met only with skepticism. The details of the President’s schedule later proved to be accurate.

Former advisers to the Romney campaign note that the leaked schedule, which was not widely circulated within the campaign, did not impact the campaign’s strategy. It received little attention as the election was days away.

When asked about the recent spate of security issues surrounding the Secret Service, a former member of the Presidential advance team under President Bush said, “Seeing firsthand the considerable threat the President is under and how seriously so many of these agents take their duty, it’s very concerning that there are some who would put the lives of the President and their Secret Service colleagues in peril.  The President isn’t just a person; he’s an institution, a third of our functioning government, and a primary target for any country or group who would seek to do our country harm.”

The Secret Service was unable to provide an immediate response to questions about the incident.

The revelations feed into serious concerns about conduct within the Secret Service. Secret Service Director Julia Pierson resigned today following a series of embarrassments for the agency. In addition to the recent White House fence jumper who made it deep inside the executive mansion, an armed contractor with a criminal record was allowed on an elevator with the President in mid-September. Eleven agents were put on leave in 2012 after allegedly hiring prostitutes in Colombia. Earlier this year, three Secret Service agents were sent home from their presidential detail in the Netherlands following a night of heavy drinking in which one agent was found passed out in a hotel hallway.

http://www.insidesources.com/is-exclusive-secret-service-agent-leaked-presidents-campaign-stops/ (http://www.insidesources.com/is-exclusive-secret-service-agent-leaked-presidents-campaign-stops/)

A president's schedule isn't supposed to be revealed until after the Secret Service is able to head to the area, set up, and prepare. Back in 2004 John Kerry came to my school, and weeks before the trip was announced we noticed dudes in black suits scouting the area.

It seems pretty clear there's an institutional problem with the Secret Service, beyond the chief. And despite all this news, apparently nothing is being done outside of playing musical chairs with the chief position. It really seems like nothing will be done until someone tries to attack the president...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 12:55:56 PM

News Flash: They don't fucking like the guy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 01:04:00 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 02, 2014, 01:02:54 PM

Get drunk and blab like a moron because you dont like your boss because he's black brehs

:beli

He brought it upon himself. Go search for some interviews/stories. He treats them poorly, he talks down to them, and he has ditched them before just to go across the street and eat.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2014, 01:12:41 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 01:04:00 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 02, 2014, 01:02:54 PM

Get drunk and blab like a moron because you dont like your boss because he's black brehs

:beli

He brought it upon himself. Go search for some interviews/stories. He treats them poorly, he talks down to them, and he has ditched them before just to go across the street and eat.

Not that I believe this bullshit but even if it was the case, it doesn't justify not doing your fucking job. I'm going to say Obama and all recent presidents have treated their Secret Service better than...LBJ. who was a legit asshole. In fact Clinton was an asshole with Secret Service too, for obvious reasons.

There's a former secret service guy running as a tea partier right now, and even he has said Obama treated him and his fellow officers with respect. If you think Obama doesn't give a shit about the people protecting his daughters you're an ideologue, the end.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 01:15:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2014, 01:12:41 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 01:04:00 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 02, 2014, 01:02:54 PM

Get drunk and blab like a moron because you dont like your boss because he's black brehs

:beli

He brought it upon himself. Go search for some interviews/stories. He treats them poorly, he talks down to them, and he has ditched them before just to go across the street and eat.

Not that I believe this bullshit but even if it was the case, it doesn't justify not doing your fucking job. I'm going to say Obama and all recent presidents have treated their Secret Service better than...LBJ. who was a legit asshole. In fact Clinton was an asshole with Secret Service too, for obvious reasons.

There's a former secret service guy running as a tea partier right now, and even he has said Obama treated him and his fellow officers with respect. If you think Obama doesn't give a shit about the people protecting his daughters you're an ideologue, the end.

He's a adjunct dickhead by nature bro, whether he respects them or not.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2014, 01:22:08 PM

the funny thing is that I know what you're referencing, and it was debunked years ago
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/secret-service-tattletales/

No, Obama doesn't "look down on" the military and treat his protection like shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 02, 2014, 01:29:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2014, 01:22:08 PM

the funny thing is that I know what you're referencing, and it was debunked years ago
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/secret-service-tattletales/

No, Obama doesn't "look down on" the military and treat his protection like shit.

Keep believe this guy gives a fuck about you breh, it's cute.

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 03:15:27 PM

Saw this on Kaus, it again reminded me of Kara's "guild" from Random Talk Thread:

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Rep.  Kevin Brady has decided to run against Rep. Paul Ryan in the latter’s bid for chairmanship of the Ways & Means Committee. (Ryan currently chairs the Budget Committee but is about to be termed out of that position.) The complaint against Ryan? As WaPo‘s Robert Costa reported, in a tweet more informative than his actual piece:

The backstory: priv some W&M Rs don’t like idea of Ryan toying w/ WH bid as he launches tax overhaul, want chair focus on raising $, cmmte

Brady certainly agrees with the “focus on raising $” part. He says, “The expectations are very high for the next chairman, both on policy and on financial support for others.” In other words, the role of the Republican chair of Ways & Means is to milk money from lobbyists terrified that the committee is rewriting the whole tax code (which touches on the profitability of every business in America) — and then to distribute that money to other Republicans.  It’s almost as if they’d pretend to rewrite the tax code every few years just to scare more protection money contributions out of K St., whether the committee actually reformed anything or not.

:lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 04:11:19 PM

Michael Savage calling him President Obola  :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 02, 2014, 04:19:22 PM

I wouldn't ever bet that there would be huge changes to the tax code. I'm pretty sure the current tax code is right where the rich want it to be since it hasn't changed much in 40 years.
(http://i.imgur.com/mMg5WLb.gif)
(http://i.imgur.com/ScV4UjH.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 04:40:10 PM

I actually have this lying around from an old project (though I had to remake the graph with Excel to post), "Sales" includes tariff revenues. It's % of total (fed/state/local) revenues by source. I was surprised how small of share corporate taxes have been historically.

The big dip in social taxes is the recession + 2% holiday a couple years back.

(http://i.imgur.com/lbACAra.png)

Before 1890, state data is even more unreliable, and basically the trend you see from the pre-income tax period is it all the way back, 90+% is from sales taxes/tariffs.

EDIT: Here's the % of GDP (remember fed + state + local) with no smoothing:
(http://i.imgur.com/UGhltem.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2014, 05:18:31 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 03:15:27 PM

Saw this on Kaus, it again reminded me of Kara's "guild" from Random Talk Thread:

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Rep.  Kevin Brady has decided to run against Rep. Paul Ryan in the latter’s bid for chairmanship of the Ways & Means Committee. (Ryan currently chairs the Budget Committee but is about to be termed out of that position.) The complaint against Ryan? As WaPo‘s Robert Costa reported, in a tweet more informative than his actual piece:

The backstory: priv some W&M Rs don’t like idea of Ryan toying w/ WH bid as he launches tax overhaul, want chair focus on raising $, cmmte

Brady certainly agrees with the “focus on raising $” part. He says, “The expectations are very high for the next chairman, both on policy and on financial support for others.” In other words, the role of the Republican chair of Ways & Means is to milk money from lobbyists terrified that the committee is rewriting the whole tax code (which touches on the profitability of every business in America) — and then to distribute that money to other Republicans.  It’s almost as if they’d pretend to rewrite the tax code every few years just to scare more protection money contributions out of K St., whether the committee actually reformed anything or not.

:lol

(If true) I gotta respect hustling of that caliber. :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 05:46:27 PM

Discredited by using the wrong My Super Sweet Sixteen clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90HhZ-pyC2Y

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 02, 2014, 05:52:21 PM

The Reagan bit should be no surprise, as libertarians hated Reagan. They just didn't have nearly the voice they do today.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2014, 05:58:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg0Axyvlkm0

Reagan annihilates modern Republicans from beyond the grave.

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REASON: Governor Reagan, you have been quoted in the press as saying that you’re doing a lot of speaking now on behalf of the philosophy of conservatism and libertarianism. Is there a difference between the two?

REAGAN: If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are travelling the same path.

Also annihilates Libertarian Party.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 03, 2014, 11:46:05 AM

And yet the strongest corporation on the block should be trusted and we should all carry guns. Thanks Reagan

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: El Babua on October 03, 2014, 01:21:40 PM

To be fair, Reagan did sign the California gun control act when he was governor.

I think it was cause of black people or something.  :smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2014, 02:18:54 PM

248k jobs, 5.9% unemployment rate. The economy is far from recovered, participation rate is still low as fuck, wages are stagnant etc etc etc....

...but, can you imagine the parade that would be going on right now if Romney was president and we had the same job growth we've seen all year? The fuckery would be unbearable. We dodged a bullet fellas.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: El Babua on October 03, 2014, 02:54:25 PM

"Romney Recovery in full effect!"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2014, 03:06:30 PM

Quote from: Bobby Doucher on October 03, 2014, 01:21:40 PM

To be fair, Reagan did sign the California gun control act when he was governor.

I think it was cause of black people or something.  :smug

Black PANTHERS the same ones who stole the elections for Obama.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 03, 2014, 06:17:57 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 03, 2014, 03:06:30 PM

Quote from: Bobby Doucher on October 03, 2014, 01:21:40 PM

To be fair, Reagan did sign the California gun control act when he was governor.

I think it was cause of black people or something.  :smug

Black PANTHERS the same ones who stole the elections for Obama.

The BPP and NBPP aint the same thing, sunshine :wag

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2014, 04:25:44 PM

BREAKING:
http://www.wnd.com/2014/10/klayman-files-for-deportation-of-barack-obama/

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Now Larry Klayman, the former Justice Department lawyer and founder of Judicial Watch and Freedom Watch, is suing to get President Obama deported.

Shipped out. Sent back. Removed.

“In sum, deportation proceedings should be immediately commenced, an investigation undertaken, a full evidentiary hearing held, and Barack Hussein Obama should be removed from the United States,” Klayman writes in his deportation petition.

The petition was sent to Thomas Homan of Enforcement Removal Operations at the Department of Homeland Security, Thomas Winkowksi of Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Sarah Kendall of the Office of Fraud Detection and National Security at DHS.

Klayman explained it is based “on the grounds that he has falsified various birth and other documents with regard to obtaining a U.S. passport and other privileges as an alleged American citizen.”

“It is clear, based on a mountain of evidence as set forth in and attached to the petition, that the president and his agents have falsified documents, such as his birth certificate and Social Security number, to qualify for the privileges of American citizenship such that his citizenship, which is based on false pretenses, must be nullified,” Klayman said.

“As set forth in the petition, this includes but is not limited to the fraudulent production of a computer-generated facsimile of an official state of Hawaiian birth certificate. Even if a legitimate birth certificate exists, Obama’s repeated use of a clearly forged birth certificate is still a crime and in violation of the law,” he said.

“While this deportation proceeding may seem to some to be the work of conservatives who are out to get the president, this is not the case. Barack Obama’s propensity to not tell the truth is now well known, even among his leftist supporters. And, his actions while president [reflects] someone whose actions show that he feels more kinship with his foreign roots and Muslim religious schooling and heritage, than the Judeo-Christian principles upon which this nation was founded.

“I thus urge everyone to read and digest this petition to have him deported and remove him from the United States, before dismissing it,” Klayman said.

The 20-page document points out that his name technically is “Barry Soetoro,” since it was “changed officially in Indonesia and never changed back to his name at birth.”

“The immigration laws of the United States of American are intended in part to ensure that those who become part of the country and particularly those who lead it bear allegiance and loyalty to the United States of American rather than to a foreign country or to interests of other countries generally. It is part of the constitutional design and intention for immigration laws and regulations to regulate those joining the citizenry of the country with the goal of loyalty and allegiance to the country, among other factors,” the petition explains.

“The U.S. Constitution requires that to be eligible to be president (or vice president) a person must be a “natural born citizen” and that all federal elected officials must be citizens,” he wrote.

Then followed a technical description of the problem for Obama;

Quote

Klayman explains Obama “inconsistently used different names within the United States,” and sought a U.S. passport with a “clearly forged birth certificate.”

A list of requests includes testimony, records and evidence on the issues of documentation, immigration law, citizenship requirements, birth certificates and more.

Klayman cited the “exacting, professional and exhaustive investigation” that already has been done on the issue, by a “team of experts” assembled by Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, Arizona, at the request of his constituents.

The investigation has concluded that the birth certificate presented by Obama is a forgery.

The petition notes that even if there exists a Hawaii “birth certificate,” the state had only become a part of the U.S. shortly before, and was working out “procedures to operate as a new state.”

“People assume that the existence of a birth certificate from Hawaii proves a birth in Hawaii, when Hawaii law at the time is explicit that a parent could lawfully request a birth certificate from Hawaii for a child born in a foreign country.”

Klayman’s request alleges document fraud, falsely claiming citizenship and willful misrepresentation.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2014, 05:15:59 PM

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He cites as supporting evidence those facts reported in “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” by Dr. Jerome Corsi, “Where’s the REAL Birth Certificate?” an ebook, and another ebook, “A Question of Eligibility.”

 :obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2014, 05:21:13 PM

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/03/gov_bobby_jindal_tries_to_take_down_stephen_colbert_and_fails_spectacularly/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

lol, Bobby Jindal is such a try-hard. Good thing he'll never be president.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 04, 2014, 07:28:17 PM

benji-kun, today I ended up needing to know the dairy delivery exception to statutory employee classification for my exam. :dead

I see big dairy has paid Emperor Obama off handsomely. :obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2014, 07:36:40 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/return-gop-hawks_808506.html?page=2#

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In a recent, hour-long interview, Lindsey Graham said if he is reelected to the Senate in November, he will begin exploring a bid for the presidency.

Graham has long been one of the most active and outspoken hawks in Congress. He has been a voluble critic of the Obama administration on a wide variety of national security issues—Guantánamo Bay, Benghazi, Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan, Russia, Iran, and others. Unlike many of his colleagues, Graham often first seeks to engage the administration privately as it debates policy with the hope that he can help shape the outcome rather than just criticize it after the fact.

But Graham no longer trusts Obama enough to engage him on these matters.

In our interview, Graham repeatedly spoke of the challenges that will face the next president because of the mistakes made under Obama. And he suggested that he might just be the one to fix them.

“If I get through my general election, if nobody steps up in the presidential mix, if nobody’s out there talking​—​me and McCain have been talking​—​I may just jump in to get to make these arguments,” Graham said.

I asked Graham about Rubio. Hasn’t he been making many of the arguments you’d be likely to make? Graham wasn’t impressed. “He’s a good guy, but after doing immigration with him—we don’t need another young guy not quite ready,” said Graham. “He’s no Obama by any means, but he’s so afraid of the right, and I’ve let that go.”

McCain likes what he sees in the emerging GOP field, but acknowledges that he’s told Graham to think about running. “

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2014, 08:19:20 PM

I don't think America is ready for President Scarlett O'Hara.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2014, 09:16:08 PM

Sometimes you wonder what compels these people to actually think they have a shot. I mean, in the primary even. Doesn't Graham remember the last three years where he was polling at like 30-40% against "Unnamed Conservative" who had 50-60% until nobody of note showed up to actually challenge him?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2014, 12:05:32 AM

Presidential candidate Lindsay Graham?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-psSaCpk6VKY/UGM3edtIV8I/AAAAAAAADPE/BkC8uaKjoAg/s1600/michael-jordan-laughing.gif)

Oh dios mio, man.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 06:42:33 AM

I hope President Graham deports anti-American scum like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4NRJoCNHIs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2014, 02:05:21 PM

Senate is fucked, government is fucked, WE'RE fucked. Obama is going to (unfairly, IMO) go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever, and so will Hillary, etc etc and so on until the crazies get another President. All because Democrats are too pusserific to make Republicans wear the crazy label.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2014, 02:10:46 PM

BUT EBOLA YOU GUYS

AND ISIS

BETTER ELECT SOME STRONG REPUBLICAN DADDIES

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 05, 2014, 03:46:04 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2014, 02:05:21 PM

Senate is fucked, government is fucked, WE'RE fucked. Obama is going to (unfairly, IMO) go down in history as one of the worst Presidents ever, and so will Hillary, etc etc and so on until the crazies get another President. All because Democrats are too pusserific to make Republicans wear the crazy label.

How can they make them wear the label when swathes of the voting population are just as, if not more, crazy?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2014, 04:33:46 PM

27% of the population is irredeemably crazy. You have about another 20 something % that are easily swayed by stupidity. You just gotta go out there and make those 20% uncomfortable to stand next to the assholes.

(all numbers derived at by rigorous scientific testing)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on October 05, 2014, 04:42:28 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2014, 04:33:46 PM

You just gotta go out there and make those 20% uncomfortable to stand next to the assholes.

They'll just invent a hashtag and proudly stand next to them.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 05, 2014, 04:48:43 PM

While I don't doubt the rigorous statistical models employed for Bore posts, I need to see the receipts how those figures are apportioned across the states. The U.S.'s political system is fuckstupid in how it rewards remote outposts of civilization with political (over)representation.

e: Thanks for that BTW, colonial Virginia.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 07:30:48 PM

Quote from: Vularai on October 05, 2014, 04:48:43 PM

e: Thanks for that BTW, colonial Virginia.

Your problems with William Paterson of New Jersey buddy.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 05, 2014, 07:43:04 PM

Why would I blame someone for crafting the antithesis to the thesis (the Virginia Plan) so that we could reach sweet synthesis? :aah

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 07:49:57 PM

Need to see if BA has anything on the construction of the Constitution.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2014, 08:51:48 PM

the real question: where's Mandark.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2014, 08:59:15 PM

we're friends on facebook but I forgot his name
:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 05, 2014, 09:05:36 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 07:49:57 PM

Need to see if BA has anything on the construction of the Constitution.

http://www.revcom.us/a/v19/930-39/939/constit.htm
http://www.revcom.us/a/037/avakian-montesquieu-slavery.htm

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I used to feel bad getting my prior landlord put on a list for clicking links like these but there's obviously no quandary doing it here at the commune. :rejoice

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 09:23:49 PM

That's some pretty weaksauce stuff, I'm starting to have doubts about dedicating my entire existence to BA.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2014, 11:21:35 PM

post people's full names on forums brehs...

that's not him, it's another GAFer/EBer

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 11:42:48 PM

John Oliver apparently did this week on asset forfeiture  :rejoice

hold me back homies gonna wear out f5 key :rejoice

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:05:06 AM

It's one of the few libertarian hateboner things that doesn't get at least one fairly big story a year in a more mainstream source like say The Atlantic running an article or whatever. Eminent Domain used to be the same way. Most other stuff like police abuse, drug war shit, prison, standard government fuckups, etc. will get a few good articles a year.

I think the closest was a couple years back when one state was trying to take away these peoples motel because guests were selling drugs inside the rooms.

I know I say it a lot but I love telling people how the government charges hundreds or thousands of inanimate objects with crimes every year.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:08:41 AM

That motel case: https://www.ij.org/massachusetts-civil-forfeiture

Balko story from 2010 on forfeiture in general: http://reason.com/archives/2010/01/26/the-forfeiture-racket

The one Frontline story I remember: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/drugs/special/forfeiture.html

Some of my can't hate too hard on STATIST THUG Rand Paul reasons: http://www.paul.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1204

http://media.ca8.uscourts.gov/opndir/06/08/053295P.pdf

Quote

United States of America,
Plaintiff/Appellant, *
*
v.
$124,700, in U.S. Currency,
Defendant/Appellee,

Just an example from the one story.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Sman on October 06, 2014, 01:26:19 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 04, 2014, 09:16:08 PM

Sometimes you wonder what compels these people to actually think they have a shot. I mean, in the primary even. Doesn't Graham remember the last three years where he was polling at like 30-40% against "Unnamed Conservative" who had 50-60% until nobody of note showed up to actually challenge him?

It's the Carter effect. An unlikely candidate just there at the right time and place. Many think the same thing could happen if they'd just try.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:29:26 AM

Wow, apparently you can just post on their forums and magic happens:
http://talk.hbo.com/t5/Last-Week-Tonight-with-John/Please-do-a-segment-on-Civil-Forfeiture-laws/td-p/419190

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2014, 01:30:26 AM

Quote from: Sman on October 06, 2014, 01:26:19 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 04, 2014, 09:16:08 PM

Sometimes you wonder what compels these people to actually think they have a shot. I mean, in the primary even. Doesn't Graham remember the last three years where he was polling at like 30-40% against "Unnamed Conservative" who had 50-60% until nobody of note showed up to actually challenge him?

It's the Carter effect. An unlikely candidate just there at the right time and place. Many think the same thing could happen if they'd just try.

Well, it's not like politics attracts fevered egos with something to prove or anything.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:36:55 AM

Found it, he hits on most everything I could want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks

Should look up that shark fin case.  :lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 01:41:35 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Approximately_64,695_Pounds_of_Shark_Fins

One of the great ones. :usacry

e: Still the greatest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._One_Book_Called_Ulysses

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:43:55 AM

Wait, can my computer be charged for viewing the picture of those shark fins?!? I need it for Civ V.

I know somebody who included that Ulysses case in their thesis.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:48:23 AM

I would watch that Law and Order, if only because of Jeff Goldblum, he got to me watch more Criminal Intent and Will and Grace.

Though I've since seen his vinegar strokes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on October 06, 2014, 01:51:21 AM

Jeff Goldblum kinda sucks in Criminal Intent tbh...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:52:48 AM

I liked how everybody on the show basically hated him.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 08:48:00 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:48:23 AM

I would watch that Law and Order, if only because of Jeff Goldblum, he got to me watch more Criminal Intent and Will and Grace.

Though I've since seen his vinegar strokes.

That shit was hilarious. Ruxin's dad

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 06, 2014, 02:22:50 PM

Gay marriage in some of the most toxic red states today :lawd

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2014, 02:27:44 PM

Utah :umad

Wyoming :umad

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2014, 02:56:43 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nk6jmn3.jpg)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 06, 2014, 03:40:20 PM

Quote

OK Governor Mary Fallin's statement:
    The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. This is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas.

    Today's decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans--and Americans in every state--to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of-control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values.

(http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png) (http://i.imgur.com/H1UhKdk.gif)

Get bent, bigot.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 03:43:16 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 06, 2014, 03:40:20 PM

Quote

OK Governor Mary Fallin's statement:
    The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. This is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas.

    Today's decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans--and Americans in every state--to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of-control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values.

(http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png) (http://i.imgur.com/H1UhKdk.gif)

Get bent, bigot.

While I don't even come close to supporting her stance, if you think about her statement it's pretty factual.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 06, 2014, 03:45:41 PM

Nah man. If they took the case and banned ssm, they would be heralding it as the law of the land and a rebuke of Obama and how liberalism has failed and Benghazi!

They lost(again) and they mad salty.

Her statement is cookie cutter conservative whining.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 06, 2014, 03:47:33 PM

Well looky, here. Seems Obama's done better on the UE rate than even Mitt Romney thought he could do. (http://thedailybanter.com/2014/10/much-president-obama-beat-mitt-romneys-unemployment-promise/)

Seems Obama was the better Republican president after all. :smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2014, 04:41:42 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 06, 2014, 03:47:33 PM

Seems Obama was the better Republican president after all. :smug

He certainly has killed a lot of brown people abroad and cozied up with finance capital. (http://i.imgur.com/Zd2a8Ra.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2014, 04:56:28 PM

Gotta watch out for that Obola, brehs

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dinesh-dsouza-ebola-obola-obama

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2014, 05:15:44 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 06, 2014, 03:43:16 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 06, 2014, 03:40:20 PM

Quote

OK Governor Mary Fallin's statement:
    The will of the people has now been overridden by unelected federal justices, accountable to no one. This is both undemocratic and a violation of states' rights. Rather than allowing states to make their own policies that reflect the values and views of their residents, federal judges have inserted themselves into a state issue to pursue their own agendas.

    Today's decision has been cast by the media as a victory for gay rights. What has been ignored, however, is the right of Oklahomans--and Americans in every state--to write their own laws and govern themselves as they see fit. Those rights have once again been trampled by an arrogant, out-of-control federal government that wants to substitute Oklahoma values with Washington, D.C. values.

(http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png) (http://i.imgur.com/H1UhKdk.gif)

Get bent, bigot.

While I don't even come close to supporting her stance, if you think about her statement it's pretty factual.

not if you view gay marriage as a civil rights issue.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2014, 07:01:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/j8WsnNE.png)

:beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 09:48:04 PM

I doubt they make the argument but I could think of one that fits.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 10:02:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1N3rbwRA_k

Quote

“If we can get her elected do you think she is going to do the right thing and she’s gonna try to wipe out that coal industry and go for better resources?” asks an undercover videographer in one segment of the video.

“I absolutely think she is,” responds Fayette County Democratic Party operative Gina Bess.

...

“She’s saying something positive about coal because she wants to be elected,” said Ros Hines, a staffer in Grimes’ Lexington campaign office. “And in the state of Kentucky, if you are anti-coal, you will not get elected, period, end of conversation.”

Some Grimes supporters captured in the hidden-camera video likewise suggest that Grimes is lying about her support for the industry in order to get elected.

“She has to say that,” remarked Juanita Rodriguez of the Warren County Democratic Party. “But you know what? Politics is a game. You do what you have to do to get [elected]. … It’s a lying game unfortunately.”

Rodriguez speculated that Grimes does not in fact support the industry to the extent that she has declared publicly.

“I really don’t think her heart is 100 percent in backing coal. But she has to say she is because she will not get a high number of votes in this state if she doesn’t. But she’s got to get in there first and she’s gonna say whatever she has to say or do. And that’s the way the political game is played.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7Pa16JPUlY

And just when I thought I could trust political ads.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 06, 2014, 10:29:18 PM

Listened to a story on the radio about how the Dallas hospital which saw the ebola patient might experience negative revenue fallout from ebola because people aren't going into the ER and therefore their admissions to the hospital are really down and that's where the real money is. America ladies and gentlemen.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2014, 10:42:05 PM

A politician saying something just to get elected? Stop the presses! :badass

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2014, 11:05:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 09:48:04 PM

I doubt they make the argument but I could think of one that fits.

That Obama is incompetent in dealing with both of them?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 04:47:58 AM

Well, yes, of course. But also that they're pretty much not a threat to 99.99999% of the people in the U.S despite the media's treatment of the two.

I actually don't have anything clever or funny to run with here.  :fbm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 07, 2014, 06:01:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Esch on October 06, 2014, 04:13:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks

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Quote from: benjipwns on October 06, 2014, 01:36:55 AM

Found it, he hits on most everything I could want:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kEpZWGgJks

Should look up that shark fin case.  :lol

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:umad

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 07, 2014, 08:32:45 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2014, 07:01:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/j8WsnNE.png)

:beli

CNN started fucking up with the Boston Marathon bombing and has continued to circle the Fox News shitter since then.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 08:38:31 AM

Quote from: chronovore on October 07, 2014, 06:01:42 AM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:umad

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ya actually

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 08:45:01 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 07, 2014, 08:32:45 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2014, 07:01:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/j8WsnNE.png)

:beli

CNN started fucking up with the Boston Marathon bombing and has continued to circle the Fox News shitter since then.

Maybe the crew on that missing plane caught Ebola.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sent by ISIS from their Black Hole secret lair.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 07, 2014, 08:46:25 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 08:45:01 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 07, 2014, 08:32:45 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2014, 07:01:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/j8WsnNE.png)

:beli

CNN started fucking up with the Boston Marathon bombing and has continued to circle the Fox News shitter since then.

Maybe the crew on that missing plane caught Ebola.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sent by ISIS from their Black Hole secret lair.

[close]

Hold on, texting the lead writer on The Blacklist, brb.

I can already picture Spader now "See agent Keen, what you don't know is that this is a weaponized EBOLA created by the Russian Mob. It is targeting our banking system."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 08:56:53 AM

I think they already did an episode like that. With the dude who was making other people have his sons disease or whatever.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 07, 2014, 08:58:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 08:56:53 AM

I think they already did an episode like that. With the dude who was making other people have his sons disease or whatever.

Indeed, but now with 100% more ebola.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2014, 11:41:06 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chuck-c-johnson-twitter-suspended
:dead

dude looks like a ginger version of FoC.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2014, 12:29:37 AM

GOP's effective new message? "Tony Perkins and David Lane are right: Gay Marriage will lead to the collapse of American Society"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZy-oJ3qVQ

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 08, 2014, 12:45:22 AM

Go all in on a losing horse y'all.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2014, 12:49:10 AM

It's not that Moral Majority social conservatism doesn't work, it's that they just didn't implement it right, it wasn't real social conservatism that followed the Bible fully.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 08, 2014, 08:27:30 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 08, 2014, 12:29:37 AM

GOP's effective new message? "Tony Perkins and David Lane are right: Gay Marriage will lead to the collapse of American Society"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPZy-oJ3qVQ

Why does my fucking party continue to embarass me on a fucking daily basis? Fuck.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 08, 2014, 01:36:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2014, 11:41:06 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chuck-c-johnson-twitter-suspended
:dead

dude looks like a ginger version of FoC.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSlRf1NtGw

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 08, 2014, 06:46:53 PM

Whitewater coming back brehs, the 90s are really here again:

http://news.yahoo.com/first-whitewater-prosecutor-says--serious-crimes--were-uncovered-in-probe-220111087.html (http://news.yahoo.com/first-whitewater-prosecutor-says--serious-crimes--were-uncovered-in-probe-220111087.html)

I wish Mandark was here to enjoy this moment :fbm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 08, 2014, 08:24:40 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 08, 2014, 07:41:18 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/29/neoliberalism-economic-system-ethics-personality-psychopathicsthic

a nice liberal hatepiece :aah

I read The Birth of Biopolitics too.

e: lol @ this article saying we have the freedom to support whatever political movement we want now.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2014, 09:49:31 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 08, 2014, 06:46:53 PM

Whitewater coming back brehs, the 90s are really here again:

http://news.yahoo.com/first-whitewater-prosecutor-says--serious-crimes--were-uncovered-in-probe-220111087.html (http://news.yahoo.com/first-whitewater-prosecutor-says--serious-crimes--were-uncovered-in-probe-220111087.html)

I wish Mandark was here to enjoy this moment :fbm

Get ready for two more ten years of this!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 08, 2014, 10:06:49 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 08, 2014, 12:49:10 AM

It's not that Moral Majority social conservatism doesn't work, it's that they just didn't implement it right, it wasn't real social conservatism that followed the Bible fully.

Not following most of the 10 commandments and committing several of the deadly sins while preaching damnation against them rubs people the wrong way. It may even make some people say to these social conservatives, "Go fuck yourself."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2014, 01:03:32 AM

Quote

“For the employer, dropping [medical] coverage is a pretty decent deal [under ObamaCare]. . . . But for the employee, it’s a pretty lousy deal. Lockton [a benefits consulting company] ran the numbers, using data on how much employers pay for health insurance now and how much health insurance on the exchanges is projected to cost.They found that employers foot a significantly larger chunk of the insurance bill than the federal government would, even with the new subsidies they’d receive. The firm predicts their premiums would increase anywhere from 79 to 125 percent if they lose employer coverage and have to go to the exchange. There’s such a big variation because exchange subsidies vary by income: Those who earn less are eligible for a larger subsidy.”--Sarah Kliff, Washington Post website, Dec. 7, 2011

“Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, announced Tuesday that it would no longer offer health insurance benefits to its 26,000 part-time workers. Nobody likes losing any kind of benefit at work. But for the particular Walmart workers in this case, the end of employer-sponsored insurance could actually turn out to be a great thing.”--Sarah Kliff, Vox.com, Oct. 7, 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/the-cost-of-dropping-health-insurance/2011/12/07/gIQAzTSYcO_blog.html
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/7/6939057/walmart-drops-insurance-good-news

 :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 09, 2014, 03:46:15 AM

Open carry enthusiast robbed at gunpoint: ‘I like your gun. Give it to me.’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/open-carry-enthusiast-robbed-at-gunpoint-i-like-your-gun-give-it-to-me/

:lol

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on October 09, 2014, 03:59:23 AM

In a polite society, those ready, willing and able to draw first call the shots. :lenowned

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 09, 2014, 08:34:16 AM

Quote from: chronovore on October 09, 2014, 03:46:15 AM

Open carry enthusiast robbed at gunpoint: ‘I like your gun. Give it to me.’

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/10/open-carry-enthusiast-robbed-at-gunpoint-i-like-your-gun-give-it-to-me/

:lol

None of this would have happened it he'd had a gun.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2014, 08:57:38 AM

He clearly needed a smaller gun for his gun, so that it could defend itself.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2014, 10:40:02 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2014, 01:03:32 AM

Quote

“For the employer, dropping [medical] coverage is a pretty decent deal [under ObamaCare]. . . . But for the employee, it’s a pretty lousy deal. Lockton [a benefits consulting company] ran the numbers, using data on how much employers pay for health insurance now and how much health insurance on the exchanges is projected to cost.They found that employers foot a significantly larger chunk of the insurance bill than the federal government would, even with the new subsidies they’d receive. The firm predicts their premiums would increase anywhere from 79 to 125 percent if they lose employer coverage and have to go to the exchange. There’s such a big variation because exchange subsidies vary by income: Those who earn less are eligible for a larger subsidy.”--Sarah Kliff, Washington Post website, Dec. 7, 2011

“Walmart, the world’s largest retailer, announced Tuesday that it would no longer offer health insurance benefits to its 26,000 part-time workers. Nobody likes losing any kind of benefit at work. But for the particular Walmart workers in this case, the end of employer-sponsored insurance could actually turn out to be a great thing.”--Sarah Kliff, Vox.com, Oct. 7, 2014

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/post/the-cost-of-dropping-health-insurance/2011/12/07/gIQAzTSYcO_blog.html
http://www.vox.com/2014/10/7/6939057/walmart-drops-insurance-good-news

 :heh

Projected vs actual costs. Take your L.

That being said this is bad news for a lot of people who live in states with poorly run exchanges and no Medicaid expansion. Walmart has some solid health plans but most part time workers can't afford them, so they get the cheap plans. Now they're going to be moved to highly subsidized ACA plans that are just as shitty. Which is why I never understood why the law "banned" existing junk policies. The bronze plans are pretty junky.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 09, 2014, 01:33:12 PM

Open carry :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2014, 01:48:16 PM

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see a lot of lefties taking shots at Wal-mart for dropping HC on their part-time workforce. But wasn't this the kind of stuff they predicted (hoped) would happen with Obamacare passing? Wasn't this part of the 'trojan horse' way of getting America to closer to a single payer system?


Trader Joe's did a similar thing last year to much less hand-wringing and liberal bleating:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/13/what-trader-joes-teaches-us-about-obamacare/

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 09, 2014, 02:01:01 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2014, 01:48:16 PM

Maybe I'm missing something, but I see a lot of lefties taking shots at Wal-mart for dropping HC on their part-time workforce. But wasn't this the kind of stuff they predicted (hoped) would happen with Obamacare passing? Wasn't this part of the 'trojan horse' way of getting America to closer to a single payer system?


Trader Joe's did a similar thing last year to much less hand-wringing and liberal bleating:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/13/what-trader-joes-teaches-us-about-obamacare/

y'all dug your own hole, boys.

Lets see, my guys cost per week on my healthcare (single)  $32.99

My guys cost per week on obamacare   $58.85

(http://forum.sportsmogul.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=36770&d=1329555705)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 09, 2014, 04:45:34 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2014, 01:48:16 PM

Trader Joe's did a similar thing last year to much less hand-wringing and liberal bleating:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/09/13/what-trader-joes-teaches-us-about-obamacare/

Liberals don't know that Trader Joe's is the American incarnation of Germany's Wal-Mart (Aldi).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2014, 10:23:08 PM

ALMIGHTY KRUGTHULU SPEAKS

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 09, 2014, 11:36:39 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 09, 2014, 11:29:55 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2014, 10:23:08 PM

ALMIGHTY KRUGTHULU SPEAKS

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/in-defense-of-obama-20141008

:yeshrug if it wasnt krugman wouldn't bat an eye here.  republicans are bad, obama does some bad stuff and some good stuff, at least we're not going to full scale war, etc.

Sometimes he reads like a shill :yeshrug

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republicans are bad, obama does some bad stuff and some good stuff, at least we're not going to full scale war, etc.

how does making basic, objectively true statements like these make one a shill? :yeshrug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2014, 11:46:02 PM

Why would you read Krugman for his #hottake on national security tho?

I fux with Krugman for economic ether. I doubt I'll read the full Rolling Stone article but from what I've skimmed it's what I'd expect. Obama did some good things, he did some bad things. I'll read the ACA part because I'm still baffled no one is declaring victory yet. The law is doing quite well and will only get better. And it would be doing even better if the Supreme Court didn't allow red states to essentially let people die.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2014, 11:59:40 PM

Oh my bad, I thought you were generally discussing Krugman's blog posts on national security.

but yea, ain't nobody got time for Obama's national security. Remember just a few years ago when the argument was that it was smart power, HW Bush-esque, etc. Now it's just distinguished mentally-challenged and contradictory. Oh well, at least he didn't hurl us into a ground war I guess.
:yeshrug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 10, 2014, 07:32:29 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2014, 11:59:40 PM

Oh my bad, I thought you were generally discussing Krugman's blog posts on national security.

but yea, ain't nobody got time for Obama's national security. Remember just a few years ago when the argument was that it was smart power, HW Bush-esque, etc. Now it's just distinguished mentally-challenged and contradictory. Oh well, at least he didn't hurl us into a ground war I guess.
:yeshrug

So you support the half ass method we are employing now?

:ufup

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 10, 2014, 08:42:32 AM

It's at least better than the whole ass method of the previous President :yeshrug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 10:33:13 AM

It's like people forgot we wasted a trillion dollars, thousands of US lives, and hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi lives in Iraq for nothing. Man the media's obsession with wanting some daddy figure to emit "strength" is disgusting. These are the same folks who cheered the war well into 2006.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 10, 2014, 10:53:14 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/palin-brawl-police-report-amazing-moments

:phil

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Officers talked to a witness, Brian Horscel, who said that earlier in the evening he had seen yet another altercation involving the Palins. He almost tried to stop it, he told the police, until he realized who was involved

From the report: "He said that earlier he did see Track trying to start a fight with his dad, Todd, and he was about to step in until he found out that it was Todds (sic) son that was trying to fight him."

(http://i.imgur.com/ENGHha0.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2014, 01:10:08 PM

Todd is such an omega male. :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 10, 2014, 02:20:04 PM

If Bristol attacked someone, why isn't she being charged with assault? If the dude attacked her, he'd be in jail.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 10, 2014, 03:46:53 PM

"Track" :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2014, 03:48:23 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on October 10, 2014, 03:46:53 PM

"Track" :heh

I'd hit my dad too.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 04:00:54 PM

Man, imagine if Obama ran for president with a daughter who had a kid out of wedlock before the age of 16, and another daughter who was calling people fegs. I can just hear Bill O'Reilly preaching on the destruction of the black family structure.

family values brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 10, 2014, 04:05:14 PM

To be fair, Bristol was under 18 when she got preggers, over 18 when she delivered.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2014, 04:11:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 04:00:54 PM

Man, imagine if Obama ran for president with a daughter who had a kid out of wedlock before the age of 16, and another daughter who was calling people fegs. I can just hear Bill O'Reilly preaching on the destruction of the black family structure.

family values brehs

I'm not sure Bill O'Reilly thinks there's such a thing as black family structure.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2014, 04:13:32 PM

To be fair, she's still a twat. She turned her teen preggers into a book/tv deal and then joined the abstinence-only crusade to promote STRONG CHRISTIAN VALUES.

John McCain can never be forgiven.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2014, 06:06:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNSK6SuyCR4

http://www.courier-journal.com/videos/opinion/2014/10/09/17004149/

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The video of the exchange is comically awkward. An off-camera female editorialist asks a straightforward question: “Did you vote for President Obama, 2008, 2012?”

“You know,” Grimes replies, “this election, uh, isn’t about the president. It’s about—”

“I know,” the editorialist assures the candidate. “But did you vote for him?”

Grimes remains on message: “—making sure we put Kentuckians back to work, and—” By this point, the editorialist has repeated the question a third time: “Did you vote for him?”

The candidate changes tack, responding with not one but two non sequiturs: “I was actually in ’08 a delegate for Hillary Clinton, and I think that Kentuckians know I’m a Clinton Democrat through and through. I respect the sanctity of the ballot box, and I know that the members of this editorial board do as well.”

“So you’re not going to answer,” says the editorialist. Whereupon Grimes displays her own keen command of the obvious: “Again, I don’t think that the president is on the ballot.” Then another non sequitur: “As much as Mitch McConnell might want him to be, it’s my name, and it’s going to be me who’s holding him accountable for the failed decision and votes that he has made against the people of Kentucky.” The conversation then drifts to other subjects.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2014, 06:11:19 PM

It's a dumb question with no real upside in being answered.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2014, 06:15:23 PM

But how can we trust her in the Senate then?

They'll come up and say "should we kill ISIS and Ebola" and she'll just duck the question and then we all die.  :snoop

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Thanks Obama

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2014, 06:55:44 PM

Should have said you voted for him in 2008 and wrote in someone else in 2012.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2014, 07:08:27 PM

She should have said that she voted for Stewart Alexander.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2014, 07:20:09 PM

I would have said I voted for Vermin Supreme.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 10, 2014, 09:24:54 PM

http://www.salon.com/2014/10/08/im_the_welfare_mom_with_a_coach_purse/

:american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american
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:american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 10, 2014, 10:15:49 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on October 09, 2014, 01:33:12 PM

Open carry :heh

More like “openly carried off,” amirite?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2014, 11:53:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lush7TZB860

holy shit  :dead :holeup

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2014, 12:40:10 AM

Wendy Davis going for the Hail Mary. (http://i.imgur.com/5Q6ZjDY.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2014, 12:46:25 AM

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2014, 03:43:25 AM

Random YouTube video.

First 1980 Presidential debate that Carter ducked because he refused to participate in any debate with Anderson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1IIyh3yTsM

Reagan finally relented to Carter's desire to have a debate without Anderson, which was held October 28...a week before the election. And Reagan said "there you go again", then asked if people were better off now than four years ago, and his lead went from two points to ten.

And then Reagan went on to personally defeat Communism after in August 1984 signing legislation to outlaw Russia forever and then bombing them five minutes later.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on October 11, 2014, 04:17:36 AM

Wendy Davis is exactly the kind of no-nonsense Democrat we need in a position of power. I hope she slays in Texas.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2014, 09:32:05 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on October 11, 2014, 04:17:36 AM

Wendy Davis is exactly the kind of no-nonsense Democrat we need in a position of power. I hope she slays in Texas.

Probably she won't, though, at least not this time around; Texas is still too blood-red right now for a Democrat to win high office. Maybe by the end of Abbott's first term.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2014, 09:36:51 AM

And all the liberal hand-wringing over that ad is ridiculous. Wendy Davis rightly pointed out that Abbott is a total hypocrite, who got his big payday and then fought hard to make sure that nobody else could.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 11, 2014, 05:02:14 PM

if he was shitty, partisan attorney general (and it sure sounds like he was) then he's got a right to be called out on it.  Davis has gotten some pretty crappy attacks since the day she became a national figure.

Fair's fair is all I'm saying.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2014, 05:04:52 PM

HOW DARE SHE?????

*calls her "abortion barbie" without batting an eye*

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2014, 07:13:33 PM

I think that if you look at the maps, and the current polls that show much more reasonable numbers, there's a strong probability that the Democrats will have all 100 seats in the Senate by 2020. And also they'll be much more left-wing and we'll likely have a strong progressive President then or in 2024. Especially since the economy will be booming then thanks to Obama's increasing aggregate demand in the Middle East. 2020 will really help because then they can fix the congressional districts to be fair which will mean a three-forths majority in the House.

Then we won't have to pass right-wing hardcore libertarian policy like ObamaCare and assault weapons bans. We can just repeal the 2nd Amendment and modify the rest. As long as the Democrats aren't spineless and cave into the GOP loving media.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2014, 07:16:23 PM

Oops, meant to post that as one of my GAF Alts.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 11, 2014, 10:28:24 PM

I respect you Benji...more than most.

But GOP loving media? The fuck are you on, man?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 11, 2014, 10:36:25 PM

He's impersonating GAF's US political thread (a.k.a. PoliGAF) culture. ;)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 01:19:26 AM

From that Stockman article (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1981/12/the-education-of-david-stockman/305760/?single_page=true) I linked in the GAF thread:

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IN the private deliberations, Stockman began to encounter more resistance from Cabinet members. He was proposing to cut $752 million from the Export-Import Bank, which provides subsidized financing for international trade—a cut of crucial symbolic importance, because of Stockman's desire for equity. Two thirds of the Ex-Im's direct loans benefit some of America's major manufacturers—Boeing, Lockheed, General Electric, Westinghouse, McDonnell Douglas, Western Electric, Combustion Engineering—and, not surprisingly, the program had a strong Republican constituency on Capitol Hill. Stockman thought the trade subsidies offended the free-market principles that all conservatives espouse—in particular, President Reagan's objective of withdrawing Washington from business decision-making. Supporters of the subsidies made a practical argument: the U.S. companies, big as they were, needed the financial subsidies to stay even against government-subsidized competition from Europe and Japan.

The counter-offensive against the cut was led by Commerce Secretary Malcolm Baldrige and U.S. Trade Representative William Brock, who argued eloquently before the budget working group for a partial restoration of Ex-Im funds. By Stockman's account, the two "fought, argued, pounded the table," and the meeting seemed headed for deadlock. "I sort of innocently asked, well, isn't there a terrible political spin on this? It's my impression that most of the money goes to a handful of big corporations, and if we are ever caught not cutting this while we're biting deeply into the social programs, we're going to have big problems." Stockman asked if anyone at the table had any relevant data. Deputy Secretary of the Treasury Tim McNamar thereupon produced a list of Ex-Im's major beneficiaries (a list that Stockman had given him before the meeting). "So then I went into this demagogic tirade about how in the world can I cut food stamps and social services and CETA jobs and EDA jobs and you're going to tell me you can't give up one penny for Boeing?"

Stockman won that argument, for the moment. But, as with all the other issues in the budget debate, the argument was only beginning. "I've got to take something out of Boeing's hide to make this look right ... You can measure me on this, because I'll probably lose but I'll give it a helluva fight."

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Artful as it was, the Jones resolution was, according to Stockman, a series of gimmicks: economic estimates and accounting tricks. "Political numbers," he called them. But Stockman was not critical of Jones for these budget ploys, because he cheerfully conceded that the administration's own budget numbers were constructed on similar shaky premises, mixing cuts from the original 1981 budget left by Jimmy Carter with new baseline projections from the Congressional Budget Office in a way that, fundamentally, did not add up. The budget politics of 1981, which produced such clear and dramatic rhetoric from both sides, was, in fact, based upon a bewildering set of numbers that confused even those, like Stockman, who produced them.

"None of us really understands what's going on with all these numbers," Stockman confessed at one point. "You've got so many different budgets out and so many different baselines and such complexity now in the interactive parts of the budget between policy action and the economic environment and all the internal mysteries of the budget, and there are a lot of them. People are getting from A to B and it's not clear how they are getting there. It's not clear how we got there and it's not clear how Jones is going to get there."

These "internal mysteries" of the budget process were not dwelt upon by either side, for there was no point in confusing the clear lines of political debate with a much deeper and unanswerable question: Does anyone truly understand, much less control, the dynamics of the federal budget intertwined with the mysteries of the national economy? Stockman pondered this question occasionally, but since there was no obvious remedy, no intellectual construct available that would make sense of this anarchical universe, he was compelled to shrug at the mystery and move ahead. "l'm beginning to believe that history is a lot shakier than I ever thought it was," he said, in a reflective moment.

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Despite the political uproar, Stockman thought a compromise would eventually emerge, because of the pressure to "save" Social Security. This would give him at least a portion of the budget savings he needed. "I still think we'll recover a good deal of ground from this. It will permit the politicians to make it look like they're doing something for the beneficiary population when they are doing something to it which they normally wouldn't have the courage to undertake."

But there was less "courage" among politicians than Stockman assumed. Indeed, one politician who scurried away from the President's proposed cuts in Social Security was the President. Stockman wanted him to go on television again, address the nation on Social Security's impending bankruptcy, and build a popular constituency for the changes. But White House advisers did not.

...

The White House rejected that idea. Ronald Reagan kept his distance from the controversy, but it would not go away. In September, Reagan did finally address the issue in a televised chat with the nation: he disowned Stockman's reform plan. Reagan said that there was a lot of "misinformation" about in the land, to the effect that the President wanted to cut Social Security. Not true, he declared, though Reagan had proposed such a cut in May. Indeed, the President not only buried the Social Security cuts he had proposed earlier but retreated on one reform measure—elimination of the minimum benefits—that Congress had already, reluctantly, approved. As though he had missed the long debate on that issue, Reagan announced that it was never his intention to deprive anyone who was in genuine need. Any legislative action toward altering Social Security would be postponed until 1983, after the 1982 congressional elections, and too late to help Stockman with his stubborn deficits. In the meantime, Reagan accepted a temporary solution advocated by the Democrats and denounced by Stockman as "irresponsible"—borrowing from another federal trust fund that was in surplus, the health-care fund, to cover Social Security's problems. Everyone put the best face on it, including Stockman. The tactical retreat, they explained, was the only thing Reagan could do under the circumstances—a smart move, given the explosive nature of the Social Security protest. Still, it was a retreat, and, for David Stockman, a fundamental defeat.

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But the young budget director once again misjudged the political context. The scaled-down version of the administration's tax bill would need to carry a few "ornaments" in order to win—a special bail-out to help the troubled savings-and-loan industry, elimination of the so-called marriage penalty—but he was confident that the Reagan majority would hold and he could save $70 billion against those out-year deficits. The business lobbyists would object, he conceded, when they saw the new Republican version of depreciation allowances, but the key congressmen were "on board," and the package would hold.

In early June, it fell apart. The tax lobbyists of Washington, when they saw the outlines of the Reagan tax bill, mobilized the business community, the influential economic sectors from oil to real estate. In a matter of days, they created the political environment in which they flourish best—a bidding war between the two parties. First the Democrats revealed that their tax bill would be more generous than Reagan's in its depreciation rules. Despite Stockman's self-confidence, the White House quickly retreated—scrapped its revised and leaner proposal, and began matching the Democrats, billion for billion, in tax concessions. The final tax legislation would yield, in total, an astounding revenue loss for the federal government of $750 billion over the next five years.

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Two weeks after selling Congress on the biggest package of budget reductions in the history of the republic, Stockman was willing to dismiss the accomplishment as less significant than the participants realized. Why? Because he knew that much more traumatic budget decisions still confronted them. Because he knew that the budget-resolution numbers were an exaggeration. The total of $35 billion was less than it seemed, because the "cuts" were from an imaginary number—hypothetical projections from the Congressional Budget Office on where spending would go if nothing changed in policy or economic activity. Stockman knew that the CBO base was a bit unreal. Therefore, the total of "cuts" was, too.

Stockman explained: "There was less there than met the eye. Nobody has figured it out yet. Let's say that you and I walked outside and I waved a wand and said, I've just lowered the temperature from 110 to 78. Would you believe me? What this was was a cut from an artificial CBO base. That's why it looked so big. But it wasn't. It was a significant and helpful cut from what you might call the moving track of the budget of the government, but the numbers are just out of this world. The government never would have been up at those levels in the CBO base."

...

"I don't believe too much in the momentum theory any more," he said. "I believe in institutional inertia. Two months of response can't beat fifteen years of political infrastructure. I'm talking about K Street and all of the interest groups in this town, the community of interest groups. We sort of stunned it, but it just went underground for the winter. It will be back ... Can we win? A lot of it depends on events and luck. If we got some bad luck, a flareup in the Middle East, a scandal, it could all fall apart."

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Indeed, when the Republicans and Democrats began their competition for authorship of tax concessions, Stockman saw the "new political climate" dissolve rather rapidly and be replaced by the reflexes of old politics. Every tax lobby in town, from tax credits for wood-burning stoves to new accounting concessions for small business, moved in on the legislation, and pet amendments for obscure tax advantage and profit became the pivotal issues of legislative action, not the grand theories of supply-side tax reduction. "The politics of the bill turned out to be very traditional. The politics put us back in the game, after we started making concessions. The basic strategy was to match or exceed the Democrats, and we did."

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This was the core of his complaint against the modern liberalism launched by Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal. He did not quarrel with the need for basic social-welfare programs, such as unemployment insurance or Social Security; he agreed that the govermnent must regulate private enterprise to protect general health and safety. But liberal politics in its later stages had lost the ability to judge claims, and so yielded to all of them, Stockman thought, creating what he describes as "constituency-based choice-making," which could no longer address larger national interests, including fiscal control. As Stockman saw it, this process did not ameliorate social inequities; it created new ones by yielding to powerful interest groups at the expense of everyone else. 'What happens is the politicization of the society. All decisions flow to the center. Once we decide to allocate credit to certain activities—and we're doing that on a massive scale—or to allocate the capital for energy development, the levels of competency and morality fall. Then the outcomes in society begin to look more and more like the work of brute muscle. The other thing it does is destroy ideas. Once things are allocated by political muscle, by regional claims, there are no longer idea-based agendas."

:mynicca

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But, somehow or other, the Senate Budget Committee staff insisted upon putting the honest numbers in its resolution—the projected deficits of $60 billion—plus running through 1984. That left the Republican senators staring directly at the same scary numbers that Stockman and the Wall Street analysts had already seen. The budget director blamed this brief flare-up on the frantic nature of his schedule. When he should have been holding hands with the Senate Budget Committee, he was at the other end of the Capitol, soothing Representative Delbert Latta, of Ohio, the ranking Republican in budget matters, who was pouting. Latta thought that since he was a Republican, his name should go ahead of that of Phil Gramm, a Democrat, on the budget resolution: that it should be Latta-Gramm instead of Gramm-Latta.

:lol

Actually after re-reading this, it reads a lot like those Obama Brain Trust articles that were coming out after they left about how they thought they could just walk into Washington and change things which is why they all hated Rahm and tried to ignore Congress, etc. At least nobody has tried to be their own chief of staff since Carter though.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 01:50:36 AM

(http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Clay-Aiken-sign-e1412615724838.jpg)

 :rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 09:04:05 AM

http://www.electmarybuzuma.com/

 :patel

http://www.jimfulner.com/index.html

 :expert

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 12, 2014, 10:59:17 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 09:04:05 AM

http://www.jimfulner.com/index.html

 :expert

:dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 12, 2014, 12:04:41 PM

r(http://i.imgur.com/23cGI.gif)ution :dead

:paul

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 12, 2014, 12:08:17 PM

Please thoughtfully and meditatively read the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 12, 2014, 12:41:04 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 12, 2014, 12:18:43 PM

I'm surprised benji never posted this:

http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/noam-chomsky-kind-anarchism-i-believe-and-whats-wrong-libertarians?page=0%2C2&paging=off&current_page=1#bookmark

:ohhh

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Wilson: With the apparent ongoing demise of the capitalist state,

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 07:31:59 PM

I didn't know he had fully made the jump, last I knew he was still drifting between describing himself as a libertarian socialist/anarcho-syndicalist depending on the day of the week, which was progress from when he was trying to roll with just the first part. Interview is a good example of why Chomsky should only keep everything to one paragraph, after that he starts drifting off into incoherent madness and talking about things he doesn't seem to understand.

Why isn't Chomsky's name bolded to start his responses, see the oppression inherent in the system!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 12, 2014, 07:41:22 PM

He's been ansyn for a long time now and tbh a lot of ansyns consider ansyn and libsoc mostly synonymous which is how I always viewed his switching between the two terms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OUkztFhUeI

Foucault :uguu

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 08:08:19 PM

Good god are there some awful fashions and facial hair in that video. Also, is this The Barry Gibb Talk Show?

Young Chomsky talk always make me think of this video which so many TPM types post as an example of conservative hate/Buckey's evil/etc. not realizing it's a joke referencing what he said to Gore Vidal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEIrZO069Kg

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Date: 1969. Chomsky was a guest on William Buckley's show. This is how guests are treated.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2014, 08:13:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 08:08:19 PM

Good god are there some awful fashions and facial hair in that video. Also, is this The Barry Gibb Talk Show?

Young Chomsky talk always make me think of this video which so many TPM types post as an example of conservative hate/Buckey's evil/etc. not realizing it's a joke referencing what he said to Gore Vidal:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PEIrZO069Kg

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Date: 1969. Chomsky was a guest on William Buckley's show. This is how guests are treated.

That's one of my favorite Chomsky quotes, and really mirrors my favorite MLK quote

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Over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 08:24:42 PM

To bring it back around to PoliGAF that's one of the problems I have with a lot of the "policy" thinking they and their like engage in (and to tie it to GamerGate you see this in some SJW), it's all temporal and relevant only to this singular point in time. Chomsky and MLK there are both establishing a principle of justice that's more permanent and thus despite being perhaps not "achievable" today actually creates concrete standards for what justice  looks like rather than being a nebulous ever shifting standard ready to be hijacked by the best demagogue to come along and use for real injustice.

Like forcing me to play as a girl in Call of Duty.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 12, 2014, 08:59:31 PM

While I share a similar viewpoint on justice as Foucault-sama in that vid I linked, having no concept of justice in a class-based society leads to you staning for blowing up weddings in countries with horrible economic development from the comfort of your nearest drone operation center or apologizing for surveillance on such a scale that one-time pads in a dead drop are the only way you can be sure no one is listening in on your conversations. (And even then, that's only if you're not on a list.) So really there are worse things you could be doing with your life.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 11:11:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukKvgaA5BQo

 :dead

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2014, 11:17:31 PM

Grampa's off his meds again.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 11:21:27 PM

And since I know you're wondering:
https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/1972425520

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John McCainVerified account
‏@SenJohnMcCain
Obama has more czars than the Romanovs - who ruled Russia for  3 centuries. Romanovs 18, cyberczar makes 20.
9:12 AM - 30 May 2009

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 12, 2014, 11:44:58 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2014, 11:21:27 PM

And since I know you're wondering:
https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/1972425520

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John McCainVerified account
‏@SenJohnMcCain
Obama has more czars than the Romanovs - who ruled Russia for  3 centuries. Romanovs 18, cyberczar makes 20.
9:12 AM - 30 May 2009

:stahp

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2014, 11:55:58 PM

Obama should name Bill Nye his Ebola czar and just have him travel around discussing evolution.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 01:56:35 AM

Wait.

MMT and Chartalism are the same thing?  :neogaf

How did I not put this together.

Fucking animists.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 13, 2014, 02:02:13 AM

For practical purposes it's not worth distinguishing between them, but they are distinct from one another.

I just call MMT Chartalism to demean it and show that it's hardly modern (in a temporal sense) at all.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 02:05:43 AM

Scientific Chartalism.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 13, 2014, 02:10:06 AM

Chartalism-Leninism :phil

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 03:48:01 AM

Chartalism with Chinese characteristics

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 13, 2014, 04:30:08 AM

Georg Friedrich Knapp Thought

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 04:43:19 AM

Knapperism

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Okay, that doesn't really work straight-forwardly, but I was trying to go off Nasserism.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 04:48:30 AM

Oh man, just by accident looking for more communism offshoots to spoof, I found a guy who's written a massive nine piece attack on BA  :lol:
http://kasamaproject.org/kasama/4345-9-letters-to-our-comrades

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How do we make revolution in a world that seems to conspire against liberation?

With apparent singlemindedness, the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA (RCP) has been insisting that its leader, Bob Avakian, has the answers for humanity. His new theoretical synthesis (this party says) is a major rupture with, and leap beyond, even the best of previous communism, including Marx, Lenin and Mao. And (this party says) this New Synthesis represents the best and even only hope for the future.

The “Nine Letters” unfold a detailed Maoist critique of Avakian’s synthesis. It engages and criticizes Avakian’s claims and methods. The main author is Mike Ely, a former editor of the RCP’s Revolution newspaper.

These “Nine Letters” excavate the RCP’s inability to establish any mass base or revolutionary movement over more than thirty-five years. They dissect the RCP’s escalating cult of personality around Avakian – with special focus on the cult’s theoretical assumptions, denial of practice, and implications for revolutionary strategy.

In a beginning way, these Nine Letters point to a different road for communists and call on others to join in a very presumptuous work of re-conception and new revolutionary practice.

Letter four is fucking huge.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2014, 10:38:33 AM

Charlatanism

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 13, 2014, 10:55:50 AM

Last weekend Rush Limbaugh....america's favorite shitdick.....Basically accused obama of relaxing our medical standards to assist the ebola outbreak.


LOL

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 13, 2014, 03:11:47 PM

Surprised it took the Pentagon so long to jump in on the Climate Change bandwagon. Never-ending wars based on illegitimate reasons and fear-mongering are their specialty.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2014, 03:36:56 PM

probably a ploy to get Barry Obama to spend money on the military for once.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 13, 2014, 04:02:31 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 13, 2014, 03:11:47 PM

Surprised it took the Pentagon so long to jump in on the Climate Change bandwagon. Never-ending wars based on illegitimate reasons and fear-mongering are their specialty.

Acting like there's a real discussion about climate change going on :neogaf

The Army Corps has been planning for this shit for years.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2014, 05:28:24 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 13, 2014, 03:33:37 PM

Was it always like this? I remember irreverence during the bush era, but during clinton's reign i can't seem to recall the same sort of vitriol and bullshit leveled at presidents coming even from 'established' mainstream sources.

Clinton did actually get impeached by the House, though.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 13, 2014, 06:20:27 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 13, 2014, 05:30:16 PM

yea but before he got caught ghetto gagging interns he was a golden boy right

:lol :lol :lol

The right wing noise machine was basically INVENTED because of Clinton. He was apparently a draft dodging commie, he wasn't really president because he never won more than 50% of the vote, blah blah blah, you get the idea. Matt Drudge's entire career was MADE off of Clinton bullshit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2014, 06:36:57 PM

Dude, they accused Clinton of rape and murder. A sitting US congressman accused him of that shit, and congress actually investigated Vince Foster's death.

militia movements increased significantly during his time in office, right wing violence spiked (Oklahoma City Bombing, Waco, etc).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 09:54:21 PM

You didn't know Bill Clinton was a serial rapist who had Vince Foster murdered?

Though I think PD is going a bit far by referring to Janet Reno as "right-wing violence."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2014, 09:56:05 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 13, 2014, 09:42:18 PM

:leon i didn't know that.

Just start at the Independent Counsel segment on Ken Starr's Wikipedia page and go from there:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Starr#Independent_counsel

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 09:57:07 PM

Vag (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=134168396&postcount=837)  :neogaf

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This is the liberal problem. We take every ridiculous and stupid ass argument and try to debate it on its merits. It's absurd. Period. Anyone who supports this idiotic drivel hates gays for totally different reasons and is just trying to reach the desired end point from a different angle.

There were countless different arguments for maintaining segregation, slavery etc. There are countless other arguments for repealing Obamacare etc.

We need to stop entertaining this stupidity by responding to it as if it's a serious rational argument. Bigotry, discrimination, homophobia, withholding of liberty and freedom to people you don't agree with are reprehensible and the result of morally depraved minds.

Whether or not the Bible allows for slavery, or state right's do, or government not intervening in the private plantation economy are irrelevant arguments. We spend years pushing back on every absurd argument they come up with instead of dispelling the smoke and mirrors outright and pointing out the underlying belief system.

In this case, it being that gays, gay love, gay marriage range somewhere from inferior and undeserving of respect and legal protection to a full fledged satanic abomination. You think they give 2 shits about pro-creation?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2014, 09:59:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 13, 2014, 09:54:21 PM

You didn't know Bill Clinton was a serial rapist who had Vince Foster murdered?

Though I think PD is going a bit far by referring to Janet Reno as "right-wing violence."

this is why you're the GOAT :rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2014, 04:44:58 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/living/pot-edibles-halloween-eatocracy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

ZOMG PARENTS, people might be handing out the DEVIL POT at Halloween in your kid's candy!!

It's like the 80's never ended. :aah

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2014, 08:32:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vk4fwarEZk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RkYmlGRKGY

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 14, 2014, 11:29:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2014, 04:44:58 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/14/living/pot-edibles-halloween-eatocracy/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

ZOMG PARENTS, people might be handing out the DEVIL POT at Halloween in your kid's candy!!

It's like the 80's never ended. :aah

I like the ad on that page for me for a $70 sexy pizza costume.

Also, please point in the direction of any house handing out weed candy, I will dress up in multiple costumes like a tv trope

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2014, 09:53:30 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen, Rick Scott.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u54H2sV-0Hc

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2014, 09:57:49 PM

:rofl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 01:28:03 AM

Apparently Crist travels with these fans all the time for his feet/legs?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Btur1rRIIAAuW_r.jpg:large)

FANGHAZI

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on October 16, 2014, 03:23:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/53sTk4R.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 16, 2014, 03:27:32 PM

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2014, 04:03:57 PM

Quote from: toku on October 16, 2014, 03:23:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/53sTk4R.png)

...why not both???

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ron-johnson-isis-ebola

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 07:16:10 PM

FANGHAZI:

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At the previous stop, Crist bragged to the crowd that his finance director, a former Obama campaign staffer named Jessica Clark, had helped him raise more money (about $5 million in 2½ months) than any Democratic gubernatorial candidate had raised over a similar period.

But now, as we arrive at the hotel, Clark is nowhere to be seen. Crist sent her to Target. While Crist sits patiently in a chair, rubbing anti-glare cream on his face, Clark jumps a curb in her car, carrying a mini tower fan. Crist can’t be seen sweating. “I definitely broke a few laws to get this,” she says, bursting into the room with moments to spare. She puts the fan on the ground beside Crist. But it’s not hitting him quite right. So she kneels on her leaf-print skirt and holds it up, the cool air kissing Crist’s face as it glows in the spotlight.

“Sorry,” he mouths to her.

“Don’t write about this,” she mouths to me.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2014, 07:26:37 PM

But he wrote about it anyway. What a jerk.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 09:42:49 PM

MCCAIN GETS RESULTS:

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President Barack Obama said Thursday that it may be necessary for him to appoint a czar to oversee his administration's response to Ebola and signaled that he is open to a travel ban but doubts it would do more to protect Americans.

"It may be appropriate for me to appoint an additional person," Obama told reporters in the Oval Office following a two-hour meeting with top advisers. That person, he said, would  "make sure we're crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's" in the long run.

 :american MCCAIN/PALIN 2016 :american

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2014, 09:49:24 PM

:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 16, 2014, 11:55:04 PM

Obama can appoint a Czar, he can't get someone to be Surgeon General (still an empty post) without congressional approval.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2014, 11:57:56 PM

It still is even if someone is appointed to it.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2014, 02:49:32 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 16, 2014, 11:55:04 PM

Obama can appoint a Czar, he can't get someone to be Surgeon General (still an empty post) without congressional approval.

We don't have a permanent Surgeon General?! I'm glad I live on the mountain so to speak sometimes.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2014, 09:30:15 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/missouri-judge-race-big-outside-money

A month ago, Missouri GOP prosecutor Brian Stumpe had less than $100 on hand in his campaign to unseat Cole County Circuit Court Judge Patricia Joyce, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Now, just a few weeks later, he has received $100,000 -- all of it funneled into his campaign by a national group, the Republican State Leadership Committee, which has spent a total of $200,000 so far in this race for a single state judgeship.

Money has no corrupting influence! FREE SPEECH!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2014, 10:24:45 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 17, 2014, 05:18:04 AM

I think my blood pressure dropped by like 20 points (or whatever unit it's measured in) the day I stopped following politics regularly.

same here.  I used to read every new post in this thread and PoliGAF as well as get the feeds.  I cut that cord and damn it feels good.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2014, 11:37:36 AM

It's been a long time since I lived in a Democratic Party stronghold. I'd forgotten how obnoxious they are at "getting out the vote" despite our votes being meaningless due to our arbitrary geographic unit's status as a machine town.

At least in Red city/district country they know it's a sham and don't badger you to vote for them. Well at least here that's the case, though tbh given the party's interest in voter identification and the voting tendencies of the low participation voter, I'd be surprised if the GOP was interested in getting the vote out anywhere.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 17, 2014, 01:57:29 PM

Quote from: Dr. Ben Carson

I would choose common sense over knowledge in almost every circumstance.

 :usacry :american :smug

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 17, 2014, 03:09:27 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 17, 2014, 10:24:45 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 17, 2014, 05:18:04 AM

I think my blood pressure dropped by like 20 points (or whatever unit it's measured in) the day I stopped following politics regularly.

same here.  I used to read every new post in this thread and PoliGAF as well as get the feeds.  I cut that cord and damn it feels good.

More like PollingGAF, amirite? :lenowned

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 08:02:37 PM

Quote from: Vularai on October 17, 2014, 11:37:36 AM

It's been a long time since I lived in a Democratic Party stronghold. I'd forgotten how obnoxious they are at "getting out the vote"

I'm in a "somewhat competitive" district and am personally getting deluged by the Democrats, but not the Republicans. (My parents are getting stuff from them.) Now they've started sending stuff from "non-partisan" groups that note in big letters that my VOTING RATE IS BELOW AVERAGE.

I wonder when they start mailing out the voting history of your neighbors to everyone.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2014, 08:26:54 PM

:dead "secret" ballot brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 08:37:01 PM

Guess that's already been happening:
http://www.nwahomepage.com/story/d/story/whos-looking-at-your-voting-records/23002/_Z8X46LvFEeAZAHM9SxwXQ

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/26/AR2008102601937.html
http://hamptonroads.com/2009/10/your-voting-history-could-end-neighbors-mailbox
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2012/06/were-sending-this-mailing-to-you-and.html
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/mailings-that-list-voting-records-set-off-some-neighbors-me5lip3-157049485.html
http://www.kpho.com/story/19981906/mailer-lists-neighbors-names-addresses-voting-history

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2014, 08:43:38 PM

If my neighbors found out I didn't vote on the reg they'd just be like, "Oh yeah he's so busy he probably forgets," and not, "Wow I can't believe we live next door to an anti-electoral tankie." :whew

Still doe, fucking :neogaf at dis shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 08:56:17 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 17, 2014, 10:59:30 AM

Reading about politics isn't depressing or rage inducing if you have a pathetic fatalistic / comedic attitude towards world events like i do :rejoice :jawalrus

I've always wondered why anyone takes any of this seriously.

And been amused at how mad they get if you don't or question the seriousness of it all. Look at the horror at various things related to the "sacred ritual" of voting when this country used to vote by the parties buying big barrels of liquor, putting them in the town square and everyone getting wasted while voting. We've resurrected divine right within the deity of the "will of the people" which is exactly equal to however many people voted for the winner.

Elections/politics are just the Red Hour/Festival (or The Purge for those of you who are too referentially young) outsourced at multiple abstract levels because we're too lazy and secretly apathetic.

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You speak in strange whispers. This is not the way of Landru.

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Best part of that episode is that Kirk destroys their entire society then just leaves and tells two random dudes "you're gonna need new jobs" on the way out.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2014, 09:32:47 PM

I knew a woman who was very dutiful about voting. "People died so I could vote," she'd tell me when I'd mock her longwinded justifications for her tactical voting that didn't really represent her societal aspirations (FPTP, it's so undemocratic friends).

Alright, sure, I can never really understand what that means as a dudebro, but it's not like Jewish fucking emancipation had to happen or anything and you don't see me frothing at the mouth to decide which particular representatives of the oppressing class are to represent and repress me (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42081.msg1940993#msg1940993) every few years. If we didn't have the :lawd that was California's system of direct democracy I'd probably never show up at all. I could only laugh when I was researching the candidates in the last House election I voted in and my choices consisted of (1) our one-party rule Republican representative, (2) a pro-life Democrat, and (3) a pro-life Libertarian.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 09:59:41 PM

"People died so you could vote" is one of the weirder arguments. I know it's just supposed to be a shame tactic but I can never unpackage it. Especially considering the history of conscription.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 11:16:36 PM

heh, apparently their 2012 platform called for > $20 minimum wage

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Seattle-based group The Freedom Socialist Party, which owns socialism.com and regularly campaigns for a $15/hour minimum wage, advertised a job on Wednesday that offers just $13 an hour.

The group has taken particular interest in campaigning for a higher minimum wage in Seattle, where the posted job is located.

...

“Seattle livable? Not hardly! The Seattle fight has moved from the streets to City Hall. In May, new Mayor Ed Murray, Democrat, announced his proposal for $15/hour — for some workers, after several years. Healthcare, tips, and other ‘compensation’ would be calculated into their ‘income.’ In short, Mayor Murray’s plan caters to big business,” the group wrote in June.

They also accused big businesses of showing ‘phony concern’ for small businesses.

“The campaign for a $15 minimum wage could expose big business’ phony concern for small businesses by demanding solutions that correct the huge tax imbalance between corporations and genuinely small businesses,” the group wrote.

(http://freebeacon.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/eM0pdzR.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2014, 11:26:24 PM

The CPUSA is a landlord, I wonder how ruthless they are at that game. :ussrcry

Quote from: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 09:59:41 PM

"People died so you could vote" is one of the weirder arguments. I know it's just supposed to be a shame tactic but I can never unpackage it. Especially considering the history of conscription.

Why would a liberal have a problem with conscription? It ascended on the back of levee en masse. (http://i.imgur.com/y662BWl.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2014, 11:31:01 PM

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/10-17-2014-6.png)

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/10-17-2014-4.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/10-17-2014-12.png)

I wonder what that last one looks like for the people who weren't identifying with either party.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2014, 12:36:14 AM

I didn't vote in local elections last year and the democratic party sent me a postcard shaming me for not showing up. Now they knock on my door on Saturdays to remind me to support candidates that support the middle class. Can't complain too much I guess...I like Gary Peters.
 

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2014, 01:19:17 AM

Gary Peters? Have you SEEN Jim Fulner?!?

I only had anyone come to my door in 2008, some girl data collecting for Obama, I told her I wasn't voting and didn't vote for corporate fascists anyway. I have no idea what she marked but I guess that put me on the party's list. I thought I had been protected for a bit because I was getting Heritage mailings because they were once offering free pocket Dec of Independence/Constitutions and I got one but they stopped sending anything after I never sent any money.

Local candidates stop by my parents house quite often if my dad's outside doing anything. Had the House Dem candidate come by to get voter turnout for the primaries and after my dad was like "there's no contested Dem races, so I'm going to vote in the GOP primary" the guy was all like, oh yeah, that makes sense...I guess they just chatted about things for a bit and the guy said Communism would be better than letting the Tea Party keep control of the House.  :lol

Makes me jealous...so much opportunity for real life trolling.  :fbm

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 18, 2014, 02:04:47 AM

The last time I even remotely got into irl political trolling was when I was banking on behalf of a client and some dipshit Wells Fargo manager tried to convince me to come bank there which is like a big faux pas when dealing with someone operating as an agent so I told them that I didn't believe in for-profit banking.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2014, 02:32:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpiUtIpyQTI

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2014, 03:19:47 AM

(http://nccriminallaw.sog.unc.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Presidential-Pardons.png)
Man fuck modern Presidents, and like half fuck Reagan because of that plaid suit.

Giant chart with all Presidents since Truman:

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http://inthesetimes.com/prison-complex/entry/16696/presidential_clemency_which_presidents_used_it_most1

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No other two-term president had granted fewer pardons, commutations or respites after five years in office than President Obama. By the end of 2013, his office had used this executive power just 40 times. By comparison President Bush had done so 60 times at the same point in his administration. The second lowest use of executive clemency at the five-year mark of an administration was by President Clinton, who had only granted clemency 56 times by the end of 1997.

In fact, Clinton's time in office would have been a record low for a two-term president, were it not for a massive increase in pardons and commutations in his last months in office. As one former Pardon Attorney told the Senate Judiciary Committee in 2001:

It was said that President Clinton did not want to leave office having pardoned less generously than any President in history, and only three weeks before leaving office he himself remarked publicly on his frustration with the existing system of Justice Department review.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 18, 2014, 03:28:06 AM

You'd probably have to adjust for political prisoners. I'm sure they still exist, but we're not talking like Eugene Debs here or anything.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 18, 2014, 04:44:59 PM

Did he think the image he saw of Crist on stage for 7 minutes was an astral projection and he just needed time to confirm?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2014, 05:00:38 PM

There was already an electric fan on the stage, who can say whether or not that was actually Charlie Crist or possibly some kind of cyborg impostor?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 19, 2014, 04:36:13 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 18, 2014, 04:44:59 PM

Did he think the image he saw of Crist on stage for 7 minutes was an astral projection and he just needed time to confirm?

you know, he does look like Voldermort with a nose.  You might be on to something here...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2014, 05:34:49 PM

Was posted on the last page, dawg. :P

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 19, 2014, 06:50:53 PM

So what do you guys think'll happen after the Reps take over the senate? I feel Obama will be even more inclined than he was before about giving in to Republican demands. The only reason we haven't had as much shitty right-wing legislation passed is cause Harry Reid used those Republican bills to heat up his office. Without him around to stop Obama, he may just have the opening he needs to finally pass his great "grand bargain" that he's been dying to do since 2010.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 19, 2014, 07:31:19 PM

Just got a Democratic Party cold call. :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on October 20, 2014, 08:56:12 AM

Quote from: Vularai on October 19, 2014, 07:31:19 PM

Just got a Democratic Party cold call. :dead

Nothing has turned me off more this election season than my emails from the Democratic Party this year.  The titles are written for like 20 year college kids

"BOEHNER STUNNED!"
"Boehner GONE"
"We are ashamed"
"DO NOT DELETE"
"Boehner HUMILIATED"
"Mic drop from President Obama!"

I just searched through my trash bin in my email and picked some random ones.  And I get like 30 a day even after I chose the "Only send me the most imporant emails" option

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2014, 10:08:42 AM

Mine revolve around "URGENT FUNDRAISING NEWS - RICK SNYDER HAS RAISED X IN Y. WE MUST RAISE Z TO HAVE A SHOT TO WIN."

I don't remember how they got my email address. At least they're accurate about the race being a "dead heat." Often fundraising emails bullshit you on that. The governor's race is pretty tight. But I expect Snyder to win.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 20, 2014, 10:43:36 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 20, 2014, 08:56:12 AM

"Mic drop from President Obama!"

 :gurl

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2014, 12:12:13 PM

Quote from: Vularai on October 20, 2014, 10:43:36 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 20, 2014, 08:56:12 AM

"Mic drop from President Obama!"

 :gurl

Pretty embarrassing, imo. First telepromptergate, now he can't even hold onto a microphone?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2014, 03:18:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84a3qcXAP1s

Thanks Chuck Todd, for asking the hard questions like "Is this responsible rhetoric?"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2014, 03:24:02 PM

Chuck Todd is almost completely devoid of feck.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2014, 03:36:10 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2014, 03:24:02 PM

Chuck Todd is almost completely devoid of feck.

Unless, of course, you sully his reputation on tv.

http://crooksandliars.com/heather/chuck-todd-tells-jeremy-scahill-was-cheap

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2014, 06:11:13 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/20/obama-gay-marriage_n_6014116.html

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President Barack Obama seems to have changed his tune on gay marriage, telling The New Yorker's Jeffrey Toobin he believes same-sex couples in all 50 states should be allowed to marry under the equal protection clause of the Constitution.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/gremlins

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Congressional candidate Anthony Culler is willing to use the g-word though and says "same-sex 'marriage' is a pestilence that has descended on our society, against our will, by those in the courts and government that do not value the traditional family."

:neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2014, 08:23:16 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2014, 03:36:10 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2014, 03:24:02 PM

Chuck Todd is almost completely devoid of feck.

Unless, of course, you sully his reputation on tv.

http://crooksandliars.com/heather/chuck-todd-tells-jeremy-scahill-was-cheap

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When one user asked him why he is "always trying to win the midterm for the Republican Party," Todd was prepared.

"I think folks mistake analysis of political reality with cheerleading," he said.

But that accusation of bias was tame compared to what followed.

"Was false equivalence your dream or did it come to you over time?" another user asked.

According to Todd, that guy was on the wrong social media platform for that kind of sarcasm.

"Happy to answer any serious questions. If you want to snark, do it on Twitter," Todd said.

Todd responded similarly when he was taken to task for not investigating "GOP Voter Discrimination or the Sequester to Blocking everything Obama wants."

"Why didn't you ask me when I stopped beating my wife? Come on," Todd said. "Ask a serious question and I'll give you a serious answer. There's always more nuance to the facts that partisans, left and right, want to admit."

One user called Todd an "a$$ clown" for his suggestion that Alison Lundergan Grimes had "disqualified herself" for refusing to say whether she had voted for President Obama.

"I understand you have to be mad at someone, so why not a member of the press," Todd responded. "That's why God invented social media."

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 21, 2014, 07:37:09 PM

Terrorize your poorest brehs.

BTW as someone who's recently moved to a place where gentrification yuppie lebensraum is incubating, it's really a bizarre and revolting phenomenon. (And I'm aware that I suppose I'm contributing to it.)

There's not much like walking through a stereotypical quinceanera to go to some faux trashy eatery where they make shitty approximations of everyperson food and sell it for almost as much as they sell a glass of beer and everyone dresses like they make no money but the parking lot is full of vehicles that would seem to indicate otherwise.

Just glad I'll (hopefully) be gone before the community that made this place home for a long time and gave it its distinct character while being left to rot (in terms of social services) by the County and police is completely driven out by ein volk.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2014, 07:40:22 PM

Quote from: Vularai on October 21, 2014, 07:37:09 PM

Terrorize your poorest brehs.

BTW as someone who's recently moved to a place where gentrification yuppie lebensraum is incubating, it's really a bizarre and revolting phenomenon. (And I'm aware that I suppose I'm contributing to it.)

There's not much like walking through a stereotypical quinceanera to go to some faux trashy eatery where they make shitty approximations of everyperson food and sell it for almost as much as they sell a glass of beer and everyone dresses like they make no money but the parking lot is full of vehicles that would seem to indicate otherwise.

Just glad I'll (hopefully) be gone before the community that made this place home for a long time and gave it its distinct character while being left to rot (in terms of social services) by the County and police is completely driven out by ein volk.

Rorschach's journal, 1985

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2014, 09:09:08 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 20, 2014, 08:56:12 AM

Nothing has turned me off more this election season than my emails from the Democratic Party this year.  The titles are written for like 20 year college kids

"BOEHNER STUNNED!"
"Boehner GONE"
"We are ashamed"
"DO NOT DELETE"
"Boehner HUMILIATED"
"Mic drop from President Obama!"

I just searched through my trash bin in my email and picked some random ones.  And I get like 30 a day even after I chose the "Only send me the most imporant emails" option

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0aEoXrCAAEdVqr.png:large)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 21, 2014, 11:17:13 PM

"We are completely out of ideas. Please give us money. And maybe vote for us. Even though we're completely out of ideas." :heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2014, 11:26:06 PM

NOT EVEN AN E-MAIL FROM PRESIDENT CLINTON WILL SWING THIS ELECTION! GIVE MORE!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2014, 04:13:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xED_2XBX134

SCOTT BROWN MOMENTUM COMING??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfnc7N_Vf3w

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 22, 2014, 04:19:43 AM

Alaska's sole congressman, and the longest serving GOP member of Congress spoke at an assembly to the high school students of Wasilla yesterday.

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Numerous witnesses say Young, 81, acted in a disrespectful and sometimes offensive manner to some students, used profanity and started talking about bull sex when confronted with a question about same-sex marriage.  More concerning, school officials say, Young made what they called hurtful and insensitive statements about suicide just days after a Wasilla student took his own life.

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"When I heard 'a lack of support from family' and I heard 'a lack of support from friends,' I felt the oxygen go out of the room, but I gasped as well," Spargo said. "It just isn't true in these situations. It's just such a hurtful thing to say."

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Adults present said that over the course of the 60-minute assembly, Young peppered his responses with salty language or stories not appropriate for a high-school audience. He said “hell” several times and told a story that involved flying to Paris to get drunk, Swick said.The story was in reference to the amount of travel time involved in his job.

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He got in one more question, this one about same-sex marriage.  “I asked why is it so bad in your eyes?” Grier said.
... Young answered, “You can’t have marriage with two men. What do you get with two bulls?” Witnesses say Young then said something about a lot of "bullshazzle" or some word resembling the more familiar obscenity.

and this man will probably never lose his seat until he retires or dies.  Good jon Alaska.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2014, 04:24:50 AM

I don't want to send anyone to Washington who is ignorant about bull sex.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2014, 08:28:33 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 22, 2014, 04:24:50 AM

I don't want to send anyone to Washington who is ignorant about bull sex.

I do question his theory that bullshit is formed when two bulls get married. I'm pretty sure that happens regardless.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 22, 2014, 12:54:57 PM

Tyrone and or rock and roll clown reference(s).

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2014, 01:09:01 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 22, 2014, 12:49:57 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/joe-bidens-son-hunter-kicked-out-navy-cocaine-n227811

:beli :ufup :neogaf

Must have been partying with Barry O
:obama

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 22, 2014, 01:16:35 PM

If Biden had his way with the laws, his son would be in jail. I wonder if this will soften his stance on drug penalties.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2014, 07:55:25 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/jeff-merkley-legalize-pot-oregon

:mynicca

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on October 23, 2014, 02:17:37 AM

Oregon >>> all states

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2014, 10:14:32 AM

except when it comes to building websites.
:heh

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2014, 11:12:33 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reagan-aide-calls-for-southern-secession

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A former aide to President Ronald Reagan is calling for southern states to secede from the union and form a new conservative nation called "Reagan" where citizens wouldn't be forced to compromise on "traditional values" like marriage.

Reagan :heh

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"You have to remember that all 11 states from the South, including ultimately Texas, seceded legally," MacKinnon told Mefferd. "They left the union peacefully, they left the union legally, and then President Lincoln … part of the problem there was that the North realized very quickly that it could not survive economically without the power of the South."

(http://i.imgur.com/EIOijQv.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2014, 12:03:46 PM

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Interestingly, MacKinnon left the state with the strongest history of secessionist sentiment out of his thought experiment.

"I'm a huge fan of Texas ... but you know, if in fact, you tried to do something like that, then would the government of Mexico look at Texas in sort of a more hostile manner than it already does now," he explained. "There have certainly been a number of incursions into Texas and other places from some of the folks in Mexico."

Texas doesn't get to have traditional values because they still need the feds to protect them from Messicans. :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2014, 12:44:22 PM

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They don't need to invent their own country. There's already one out there that perfectly meets conservative needs:

Ruled by religious doctrine
No worker's rights or environmental regulation
No unions
Homosexuality is illegal and sometimes punishable by death
Women know their "proper place" in society and exist only to please their husbands
Totally in love with oil drilling
Skeptical of science
Loaded guns in every hand
No social safety net of any kind
It's called Iran. And as an added bonus, they probably even have some weapons left over that Ronald Reagan illegally sold them back in the 1980s.

Pack your bags, fuckers. Paradise awaits.

:heh   :whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2014, 02:56:19 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-kansas-tea-party-disaster-20141023?page=4

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: fizzel on October 23, 2014, 03:33:07 PM

Quote from: Vularai on October 21, 2014, 07:37:09 PM

Terrorize your poorest brehs.

BTW as someone who's recently moved to a place where gentrification yuppie lebensraum is incubating, it's really a bizarre and revolting phenomenon. (And I'm aware that I suppose I'm contributing to it.)

There's not much like walking through a stereotypical quinceanera to go to some faux trashy eatery where they make shitty approximations of everyperson food and sell it for almost as much as they sell a glass of beer and everyone dresses like they make no money but the parking lot is full of vehicles that would seem to indicate otherwise.

Just glad I'll (hopefully) be gone before the community that made this place home for a long time and gave it its distinct character while being left to rot (in terms of social services) by the County and police is completely driven out by ein volk.

I'm sure every slum in existence had people reminiscing about the good old days just before the bulldozers went in.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2014, 05:14:41 PM

The local inhabitants are driven out long before the bulldozers come in. :ufup

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2014, 05:30:14 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/10/23/1338688/-Hispanic-man-delivers-absentee-ballots-in-Arizona-Conservatives-demand-he-be-killed
:mindblown

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: T234 on October 23, 2014, 05:39:22 PM

Mitch McConnell is a non-fictional, white Clay Davis. Who is way less entertaining and way more embarrassing to his constituents.

Who will speak out of both sides of his mouth like it is an art form and not a sign of great dishonor. It takes some kind of twisted temerity to say you care about the waters of life, and then the following week vote to cap what BP had to pay for the worst ecological disaster of my lifetime. It takes a special brand of moxie to state with one breath that you care about the health of your poorest constituents, and then turn around and vote against them getting health care. It takes an unmentionable sort of audacity to say you love all of your god's children and then turn around and try to deny them the right to marry based on the fact that they like the same gender to which they belong.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2014, 05:46:36 PM

Quote from: T234 on October 23, 2014, 05:39:22 PM

Mitch McConnell is a non-fictional, white Clay Davis. Who is way less entertaining and way more embarrassing to his constituents.

Fuck, this is the best thing I've read all day. :lawd  Mind if I use it?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: T234 on October 23, 2014, 05:53:54 PM

Plus, riddle me this: If this man can't pull a pin out of his asshole with a John Deere tractor, then how is he supposed to rid himself of impurities?

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I don't mind at all. After all, it was one of his constituents (me) who originally wrote it. I have been dropping ether all day.

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Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2014, 06:04:48 PM

Too bad Kentucky is going to re-elect him, despite Obamacare cutting the uninsured rate by like 60 fucking percent.
:beli

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2014, 07:35:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWlmtcGxvyI

Gay massages will lead to the downfall of the US Military.  :usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on October 23, 2014, 07:47:31 PM

Gay massages makes you vulnerable to terrorism. Half of the Bore to be blown up.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2014, 08:27:19 PM

Blown up like on Grindr or like crowded bus in Tel Aviv.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2014, 10:02:07 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 23, 2014, 02:56:19 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-great-kansas-tea-party-disaster-20141023?page=4

The NY Times says their tax shortfalls are looking to be permanent rather than cyclical as Brownback tried to claim. :neogaf

Bubububu the POWER OF REAGANOMICS! :usacry

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2014, 10:08:48 PM

Quote from: Vularai on October 23, 2014, 08:27:19 PM

Blown up like on Grindr or like crowded bus in Tel Aviv.

Blown up like Grindr on a crowded bus in Tel Aviv.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2014, 03:46:09 AM

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/10-23-2014_01.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/Fewer-Dems-Voting-For-Obama-than-in-2010-Reps-Still-Voting-Against-Him.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/10-23-2014_07.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/10-23-2014_12.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/10/10-22-2014_4.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 24, 2014, 08:38:44 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 23, 2014, 11:12:33 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/reagan-aide-calls-for-southern-secession

Quote

A former aide to President Ronald Reagan is calling for southern states to secede from the union and form a new conservative nation called "Reagan"

Reagan :heh

(http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2010/10/06/1225934/659465-plane-generic.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2014, 12:07:06 PM

Americans really are dumb fuckers, aren't they? GOP can "better manage federal govt?" THEY DON'T THINK IT SHOULD FUCKING EXIST.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 24, 2014, 12:10:52 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2014, 12:07:06 PM

Americans really are dumb fuckers, aren't they? GOP can "better manage federal govt?" THEY DON'T THINK IT SHOULD FUCKING EXIST.

Not exactly true bub.

We mostly feel we don't need the federal government created mandates that the population must adhere too (IE Healthcare) as they really aren't good at them.

As far as national defense and international relations? We need a Fed Gov for this? Economics as well.

War on Drugs? Loss
Education Reform? Loss
Job Creation? Loss (And don't fucking tell me creating 3 10 dollar an hour jobs replaces one guy making 55k a year, stop it)
Welfare? Huge loss. People have  no desire nor need to get off of it. It was created as a stopgap, not a destination
Healthcare? Will be a huge loss. People are starting to gripe about cost and deductibles already
Social Security? Yeah, none of us will have to worry about this because it'll be gone soon.

And both sides are at fault for these, so I'm not picking a favorite. Stay the fuck off my lawn.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on October 24, 2014, 01:56:45 PM

People are mad at Obama for not cleaning up the mess Republicans created, so clearly the only logical choice is to vote Republicans back in!

Amurka :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 24, 2014, 02:23:18 PM

Shooting at a high school in Marysville, WA. Ugh.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/10/shooting-reported-at-marysville-pilchuck-high-school/

The high school is a huge a sprawling campus. The high school I work at used to be like that, but we moved into a new single three-story building this year to help alleviate problems that can result with numerous buildings and entry points.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2014, 03:28:46 PM

In reality he's not a good communicator; giving good speeches doesn't equal being a good communicator. 6 years in and he still can't effortlessly talk to the public or defend his policies like Clinton or Reagan. The WH just allows shit to fester and then they respond after public opinion has been formed. For instance ebola. How hard would it be to come out and shit talk the fear mongering going on now and make it clear this is not an epidemic, it's not air borne, etc etc. Sort of like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2KBfynW09I

Simple and to the point.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 24, 2014, 03:47:25 PM

Speaking of good communicators:

(http://i.imgur.com/MjKYNg6.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 24, 2014, 03:51:08 PM

Boats at the...bottom?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 24, 2014, 03:58:56 PM

AIA, how do you feel about Switzerland's health insurance system? They seem to manage juggling universal coverage, private management, and government oversight with what I assume is good results given the amount of top notch specialists domiciled there and (from what I've seen) high scores in health metrics.

If our European half sibling with Revolutionary France can make it work, idk why we can't.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2014, 04:14:48 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on October 24, 2014, 02:23:18 PM

Shooting at a high school in Marysville, WA. Ugh.

http://blogs.seattletimes.com/today/2014/10/shooting-reported-at-marysville-pilchuck-high-school/

The high school is a huge a sprawling campus. The high school I work at used to be like that, but we moved into a new single three-story building this year to help alleviate problems that can result with numerous buildings and entry points.

(http://i.imgur.com/O5Mr0xw.jpg)

:goty

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 25, 2014, 11:16:40 AM

Quote from: Vularai on October 24, 2014, 03:58:56 PM

AIA, how do you feel about Switzerland's health insurance system? They seem to manage juggling universal coverage, private management, and government oversight with what I assume is good results given the amount of top notch specialists domiciled there and (from what I've seen) high scores in health metrics.

If our European half sibling with Revolutionary France can make it work, idk why we can't.

Problem is big health care does not aim to participate.

We have two mega hospital systems in Ohio. The Cleveland Clinic who already stated if you have obamacare :ufup and go somewhere else.

University hospitals did the same.

And if you challenge them on taxes or obamacare they layoff 1,000's of people and halt construction which grinds Cleveland to a micro depression every time as 100,000's depend on their business.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2014, 01:31:31 PM

To be fair Obamacare plans are accepted, just not shit ones. Still don't understand how grown adults don't understand Obamacare plans=private insurance plans. If you have a trash private plan your options are going to be limited whether it's Obamacare or not. When I worked with dental insurance we'd reject a variety of plans to avoid the drama of massive write offs or those low % plans.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 25, 2014, 02:18:36 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 24, 2014, 04:11:40 PM

Avik Roy stans hard for the Swiss system and yet has managed to churn out an anti-ACA article a week for years now, pretty much proving he's a shill.

IIRC there's no Medicaid component, everyone has to pay X percent (want to say 8?) of their income towards coverage.

I'm sure there's still shilling (heh) involved, but there are (again IIRC) elements that would be more palatable to an American conservative in that system.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2014, 02:59:34 PM

http://jezebel.com/5893011/law-will-allow-employers-to-fire-women-for-using-whore-pills

Quote

Yesterday, a Senate Judiciary Committee endorsed Republican Debbie Lesko's HB2625 by a vote of 6-2, which would allow an employer to request proof that a woman using insurance to buy birth control was being prescribed the birth control for reasons other than not wanting to get pregnant.

??? ??? ??? :maf
Talk about being a traitor to one’s own gender...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2014, 01:09:35 AM

Quote

DAVID BROOKS, NEW YORK TIMES: I think it’s a respectable position to say we should not allow flights from West Africa. I don’t think it’s probably very effective, because don’t just fly here from direct to Africa. They fly around the world and then come here. So, I just don’t think it’s effective, but it’s a respectable position.

But I don’t think it’s below the belt to have a feeling that the establishment or the ruling class in this country is not particularly competent. And you wouldn’t look at the way Ebola has been handled, at least so far, and say it’s been a testimony to the competence of the establishment.

And there are a lot of people who are just — we have a great social segmentation going on. And so there are a lot of people just with no contact with the people like us they see on TV giving them expert opinion about Ebola or anything else, and they just want to wave it away and they just want to pull in and trust the people they trust and that’s local.

And when the national borders seem porous and uncontrolled, they are going to react. And I think that’s a completely legitimate reaction.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQumdWKrz0A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQumdWKrz0A)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2014, 03:30:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 21, 2014, 09:09:08 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0aEoXrCAAEdVqr.png:large)

(http://i.imgur.com/uPbhMrs.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 09:58:23 AM

http://www.jamesweeksii.com/

 :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeat

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:22:34 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 27, 2014, 11:00:11 AM

Begich tied in Alaska. Udall and Braley down 1.5 in polls. If just one of the latter can squeak out a win due to ground game / minority under-sampling / early voting (which looks really good for Braley), we can avoid a GOP Senate. 50 + Biden is a win, IMO.

I'm not a huge fan of the Democratic party, but an R Senate would be awful, even if it's quite likely they'd get the Senate back in 2016. For one, just from an actuarial standpoint, there is a very good chance that a Supreme Court justice will have to retire in the next two years. I don't know if a GOP majority would go so far as to refuse to confirm anyone (that would be unprecedented, to my knowledge), but it's pretty likely that whoever they would confirm would have to be a centrist. If Ginsburg were to retire, the SC would shift right by default.

Second, the gloating would be unbearable.

Dream on cup cake, republican senate is happening breh.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:34:25 AM

I could see republicans blocking Gingsburg's successor even if democrats have 50+Biden. That could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and lead to Reid annihilating the 60 vote threshold for SC nominees. Which could be a very bad thing for the future. But then again you get what you vote for - it would perhaps make people more cognizant of the importance elections have on their lives. Both sides will continue the corporate tilt of the court but on social issues we're seeing the conservatives effectively reintroduce poll taxes through voter ID laws, abortion rights being whittled down, and other shit.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:37:29 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:34:25 AM

I could see republicans blocking Gingsburg's successor even if democrats have 50+Biden. That could be the straw that breaks the camel's back and lead to Reid annihilating the 60 vote threshold for SC nominees. Which could be a very bad thing for the future. But then again you get what you vote for - it would perhaps make people more cognizant of the importance elections have on their lives. Both sides will continue the corporate tilt of the court but on social issues we're seeing the conservatives effectively reintroduce poll taxes through voter ID laws, abortion rights being whittled down, and other shit.

Live in America and not have an ID breh....they cost like 8 bucks.

:ufup


Knock it off with this poll tax bullshit, it's a bad look.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:49:13 AM

The problem is that they cost more than $8 in most areas, and worse yet DMVs are being closed in many black and Hispanic areas, thus placing a burden on people with no transportation; some can get on a bus but not every city has a decent transportation system (see: Detroit).

I'd be 100% fine with voter ID if they were free, instead of the current system which disenfranchises the poor. Another problem: the arbitrary, obviously biased way some IDs are accepted and some aren't. For instance in many southern states a student ID isn't considered proper ID, but a hunting license is. Some even claim hunting licenses are proof of citizenship while refusing to accept legit proof of citizenship like a VA card or Native American reservation IDs.

It's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. It backfired in 2012 but is quite effective in midterms. I think the GOP is a couple years from realizing the only power they'll maintain is through midterm elections, ie once Hillary blows them out in 2016. But assuming democrats don't get blown out in 2020 they'll be well placed to shitcan republicans with gerrymandering, like republicans did in 2010.*

*I don't support gerrymandering and hope it's banned, but both sides won't let that happen.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:49:13 AM

The problem is that they cost more than $8 in most areas, and worse yet DMVs are being closed in many black and Hispanic areas, thus placing a burden on people with no transportation; some can get on a bus but not every city has a decent transportation system (see: Detroit).

I'd be 100% fine with voter ID if they were free, instead of the current system which disenfranchises the poor. Another problem: the arbitrary, obviously biased way some IDs are accepted and some aren't. For instance in many southern states a student ID isn't considered proper ID, but a hunting license is. Some even claim hunting licenses are proof of citizenship while refusing to accept legit proof of citizenship like a VA card or Native American reservation IDs.

It's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. It backfired in 2012 but is quite effective in midterms. I think the GOP is a couple years from realizing the only power they'll maintain is through midterm elections, ie once Hillary blows them out in 2016. But assuming democrats don't get blown out in 2020 they'll be well placed to shitcan republicans with gerrymandering, like republicans did in 2010.*

*I don't support gerrymandering and hope it's banned, but both sides won't let that happen.

Need an ID to work bro

Need an ID to collect benefits bro

Need an ID for about anything bro.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:55:45 AM

Quote from: Esch on October 27, 2014, 11:53:10 AM

Even more of a reason to justify them being free.

There is no such thing as "free" outside of liberal lunacy. Somebody has to pay for them.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:56:39 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:49:13 AM

The problem is that they cost more than $8 in most areas, and worse yet DMVs are being closed in many black and Hispanic areas, thus placing a burden on people with no transportation; some can get on a bus but not every city has a decent transportation system (see: Detroit).

I'd be 100% fine with voter ID if they were free, instead of the current system which disenfranchises the poor. Another problem: the arbitrary, obviously biased way some IDs are accepted and some aren't. For instance in many southern states a student ID isn't considered proper ID, but a hunting license is. Some even claim hunting licenses are proof of citizenship while refusing to accept legit proof of citizenship like a VA card or Native American reservation IDs.

It's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. It backfired in 2012 but is quite effective in midterms. I think the GOP is a couple years from realizing the only power they'll maintain is through midterm elections, ie once Hillary blows them out in 2016. But assuming democrats don't get blown out in 2020 they'll be well placed to shitcan republicans with gerrymandering, like republicans did in 2010.*

*I don't support gerrymandering and hope it's banned, but both sides won't let that happen.

Need an ID to work bro

Need an ID to collect benefits bro

Need an ID for about anything bro.

As I said, I'm not opposed to IDs - just make them easily accessible to all. Which is NOT the case in the south right now, and many other states.

The fact that voter fraud is nearly nonexistent should tell folks this is nothing more than an attempt to obstruct voting. The more people vote=democrats win. That's just a demographic reality.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:58:19 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:56:39 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:49:13 AM

The problem is that they cost more than $8 in most areas, and worse yet DMVs are being closed in many black and Hispanic areas, thus placing a burden on people with no transportation; some can get on a bus but not every city has a decent transportation system (see: Detroit).

I'd be 100% fine with voter ID if they were free, instead of the current system which disenfranchises the poor. Another problem: the arbitrary, obviously biased way some IDs are accepted and some aren't. For instance in many southern states a student ID isn't considered proper ID, but a hunting license is. Some even claim hunting licenses are proof of citizenship while refusing to accept legit proof of citizenship like a VA card or Native American reservation IDs.

It's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. It backfired in 2012 but is quite effective in midterms. I think the GOP is a couple years from realizing the only power they'll maintain is through midterm elections, ie once Hillary blows them out in 2016. But assuming democrats don't get blown out in 2020 they'll be well placed to shitcan republicans with gerrymandering, like republicans did in 2010.*

*I don't support gerrymandering and hope it's banned, but both sides won't let that happen.

Need an ID to work bro

Need an ID to collect benefits bro

Need an ID for about anything bro.

As I said, I'm not opposed to IDs - just make them easily accessible to all. Which is NOT the case in the south right now, and many other states.

The fact that voter fraud is nearly nonexistent should tell folks this is nothing more than an attempt to obstruct voting. The more people vote=democrats win. That's just a demographic reality.

You are writing like this is 2008 bro. Nowadays the more people who vote the worst the democrats chances are. They are getting smoked in Ohio.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:02:57 PM

Michelle Nunn is also polling about even or slightly above her GOP opponent in GA.

Don't get excited, though- we have a dumb law here that mandates Senate candidates have to get 50% +1 of the total popular vote or there's a runoff. If Nunn gets the most votes in the general she'll still probably lose in a runoff, it happened before to Wyche Fowler vs. Paul Coverdell in I wanna say 92 or 94.

Also, lolz @ AIA- stan for a party that has basically publicly said they want fewer minorities to vote, breh.

edit- yup, getting smoked with a shitty candidate for guv in an off year election with less turnout. DERP.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:07:18 PM

Y'all gonna lose, sorry.

Your president went out and got you the L you deserved. His follow through is about as good as Charles Barkley's golf swing.

In fact here is my summary of the last 6 or so years or Obama's leadership.

(http://images.wildammo.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/27.gif)

:umad

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 12:11:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:58:19 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:56:39 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:49:13 AM

The problem is that they cost more than $8 in most areas, and worse yet DMVs are being closed in many black and Hispanic areas, thus placing a burden on people with no transportation; some can get on a bus but not every city has a decent transportation system (see: Detroit).

I'd be 100% fine with voter ID if they were free, instead of the current system which disenfranchises the poor. Another problem: the arbitrary, obviously biased way some IDs are accepted and some aren't. For instance in many southern states a student ID isn't considered proper ID, but a hunting license is. Some even claim hunting licenses are proof of citizenship while refusing to accept legit proof of citizenship like a VA card or Native American reservation IDs.

It's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. It backfired in 2012 but is quite effective in midterms. I think the GOP is a couple years from realizing the only power they'll maintain is through midterm elections, ie once Hillary blows them out in 2016. But assuming democrats don't get blown out in 2020 they'll be well placed to shitcan republicans with gerrymandering, like republicans did in 2010.*

*I don't support gerrymandering and hope it's banned, but both sides won't let that happen.

Need an ID to work bro

Need an ID to collect benefits bro

Need an ID for about anything bro.

As I said, I'm not opposed to IDs - just make them easily accessible to all. Which is NOT the case in the south right now, and many other states.

The fact that voter fraud is nearly nonexistent should tell folks this is nothing more than an attempt to obstruct voting. The more people vote=democrats win. That's just a demographic reality.

You are writing like this is 2008 bro. Nowadays the more people who vote the worst the democrats chances are. They are getting smoked in Ohio.

:what

You realize midterms have lower turnout than general elections? They benefit republicans because the demographics favor voters they appeal to - older, whiter. Whereas general elections lead to everyone voting - and the majority of demographics in this country favor democrats. Romney won white voters...Obama won everything else. And Hillary will do the same while winning at least 8-10% more white voters than Obama.

Even in the midterm races this year democrats are winning the female vote. Republicans are fucked long term, until they begin moving more towards where you are: economically conservative, libertarian/liberal on social issues.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:12:27 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 27, 2014, 12:09:45 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:55:45 AM

Quote from: Esch on October 27, 2014, 11:53:10 AM

Even more of a reason to justify them being free.

There is no such thing as "free" outside of liberal lunacy. Somebody has to pay for them.

Okay fine, paid for by taxpayer money.

The question is, why are you in favor of providing systemic obstacles for people to exercise their right to vote and access to labor? The tiny percent chance of fraud?

:heh

If you honestly think there is a minimal chance of voter fraud, you're crazy. Happens every year.

What is wrong with requiring an ID. If you are a citizen you should have one. If you don't, then you have more important things to consider than if you should pass the school levy or not.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:13:27 PM

I keep hearing the "Obama is a shitty leader" meme but I'm not really sure what that means, since no one ever provides concrete, reality based examples of said shitty leadership other than "he doesn't try to work with the other side/invite them over for tea and crumpets when they're busy actively obstructing everything he tries to do at best or suggesting he be impeached at the worst" or "he's a center-right President and we want the demon spawn of Buckley and Kristol to run shit" but that's cool...

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/da4bb4cac29e9fbfa2a55bf41cb5f430/tumblr_inline_n7wn8363Ul1rvu1l8.gif)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:13:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 12:11:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:58:19 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:56:39 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 11:50:50 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 11:49:13 AM

The problem is that they cost more than $8 in most areas, and worse yet DMVs are being closed in many black and Hispanic areas, thus placing a burden on people with no transportation; some can get on a bus but not every city has a decent transportation system (see: Detroit).

I'd be 100% fine with voter ID if they were free, instead of the current system which disenfranchises the poor. Another problem: the arbitrary, obviously biased way some IDs are accepted and some aren't. For instance in many southern states a student ID isn't considered proper ID, but a hunting license is. Some even claim hunting licenses are proof of citizenship while refusing to accept legit proof of citizenship like a VA card or Native American reservation IDs.

It's an obvious attempt to disenfranchise poor and minority voters. It backfired in 2012 but is quite effective in midterms. I think the GOP is a couple years from realizing the only power they'll maintain is through midterm elections, ie once Hillary blows them out in 2016. But assuming democrats don't get blown out in 2020 they'll be well placed to shitcan republicans with gerrymandering, like republicans did in 2010.*

*I don't support gerrymandering and hope it's banned, but both sides won't let that happen.

Need an ID to work bro

Need an ID to collect benefits bro

Need an ID for about anything bro.

As I said, I'm not opposed to IDs - just make them easily accessible to all. Which is NOT the case in the south right now, and many other states.

The fact that voter fraud is nearly nonexistent should tell folks this is nothing more than an attempt to obstruct voting. The more people vote=democrats win. That's just a demographic reality.

You are writing like this is 2008 bro. Nowadays the more people who vote the worst the democrats chances are. They are getting smoked in Ohio.

:what

You realize midterms have lower turnout than general elections? They benefit republicans because the demographics favor voters they appeal to - older, whiter. Whereas general elections lead to everyone voting - and the majority of demographics in this country favor democrats. Romney won white voters...Obama won everything else. And Hillary will do the same while winning at least 8-10% more white voters than Obama.

Even in the midterm races this year democrats are winning the female vote. Republicans are fucked long term, until they begin moving more towards where you are: economically conservative, libertarian/liberal on social issues.

Our biggest issue is and will be the tea party and the splintering of the group. Fact is we need to export the religious idiots and let them form their own Jesus party of whatever so they can run and lose every election ever. Problem/Solved.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:15:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:13:27 PM

I keep hearing the "Obama is a shitty leader" meme but I'm not really sure what that means, since no one ever provides concrete, reality based examples of said shitty leadership other than "he doesn't try to work with the other side/invite them over for tea and crumpets when they're busy actively obstructing everything he tries to do at best or suggesting he be impeached at the worst" or "he's a center-right President and we want the demon spawn of Buckley and Kristol to run shit" but that's cool...

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/da4bb4cac29e9fbfa2a55bf41cb5f430/tumblr_inline_n7wn8363Ul1rvu1l8.gif)

Counterpoint: What exactly has he done well?

Obamacare? LOLS
Foreign Relations? Soviets laugh at us breh, LOL
Domestic Economy? Still as fucked as ever
China's growing regional power in Asia? He has done nothing
Iraq? He fucked that up
ISIS? See above

I mean bro, Obama is at best a Warren Harding level president and at worst he's a black Jimmy Carter. Stop acting like he is Bill Clinton 2 because he is not.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 12:15:47 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 27, 2014, 11:00:11 AM

I don't know if a GOP majority would go so far as to refuse to confirm anyone (that would be unprecedented, to my knowledge)

The Senate refused to even consider any of John Tyler's and Millard Fillmore's nominations in order to "wait them out" until the next election. And they passed a law to reduce the number of Supreme Court seats just so Andrew Johnson couldn't appoint anyone, then reversed it once Grant took office.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:15:46 PM

I mean bro, Obama is at best a Warren Harding level president and at worst he's a black Jimmy Carter. Stop acting like he is Bill Clinton 2 because he is not.

Three pretty good Presidents there, what's Obama's name doing with them?

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:16:24 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 12:15:47 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 27, 2014, 11:00:11 AM

I don't know if a GOP majority would go so far as to refuse to confirm anyone (that would be unprecedented, to my knowledge)

The Senate refused to even consider any of John Tyler's and Millard Fillmore's nominations in order to "wait them out" until the next election. And they passed a law to reduce the number of Supreme Court seats just so Andrew Johnson couldn't appoint anyone, then reversed it once Grant took office.

I totally forgot about that, BRB

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:19:59 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 27, 2014, 12:18:52 PM

Voter fraud,  what a perilous issue and all the dirtpoors should be penalized for being dirtpoors :jawalrus

Keep leaning on that fence bro. I came from more "dirt poor" than you'll ever know and we all managed to have ID's or Driver's licenses.

Strawman gonna keep swingin' tho.....

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 12:22:04 PM

AiA: You mean like when southern states left the democrat party and destroyed its electoral chances for a generation?
:heh

You guys are fucked if you kicked the bigots out too fast, but also fucked if you continue to cater to them. Basically republicans need a Bill Clinton: a moderate who can nudge the party back into acceptable territory while throwing his side under the bus (Sister Soulja Moments galore) when necessary. The problem is that the only republican talented enough to do it, Chris Christie, is a fucking idiot with no filter.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:22:50 PM

Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:23:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 12:22:04 PM

AiA: You mean like when southern states left the democrat party and destroyed its electoral chances for a generation?
:heh

You guys are fucked if you kicked the bigots out too fast, but also fucked if you continue to cater to them. Basically republicans need a Bill Clinton: a moderate who can nudge the party back into acceptable territory while throwing his side under the bus (Sister Soulja Moments galore) when necessary. The problem is that the only republican talented enough to do it, Chris Christie, is a fucking idiot with no filter.

We don't have that guy yet. We have a bunch of talented and well meaning central right in their late 30's though...a lot of them. We just need to stitch together a bridge until the less socially relentless amongst us mature.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:24:21 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:22:50 PM

Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 12:26:59 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 27, 2014, 12:26:07 PM

Do it to the children of immigrants from third world countries like theyre gonna be  'impressed' by first world poverty brehs :jawalrus

Anchor babies!

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:24:21 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:22:50 PM

Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 12:27:38 PM

I saw a poll showing more than 40% of Evangelicals under the age of 30 support gay marriage. Of course a lot of dead enders will remain, but the religious right is about to really weaken.

Honestly if republicans could throw the bigotry and economic distinguished mentally-challenged fellow shit into the bushes I might give them a glance. I'm certainly far closer to Rand Paul's foreign policy views than Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:28:08 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:24:21 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:22:50 PM

Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

K

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/melowese-richardson-former-poll-worker-to-be-sentenced-on-four-counts-of-voter-fraud

And of course, ACORN...classy people these guys are

http://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud


May 2014: Ben Hodzic allegedly voted at the polls in the name of his brother in the Catskill School District Board of Education election in Catskill, NY.[1]

Nov. 2013: Mark Atlas allegedly voted at the polls in the name of someone else in the municipal election in Worcester, MA.[2]

Sep. 2013: At least four, and possibly 20-24, Hasidic voters in the South Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY, allegedly attempted to vote at the polls under others’ names in the municipal primary elections for New York City.[3]

Mar. 2013: Kristina Bentrim went to vote at the polls in the Cedar Rapids, IA, special election on a gambling referendum, and was allegedly told that someone had voted in her name.[4]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Angela Cooney in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Angela Cooney listed as dying 4 years earlier.[5]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Evan Dixon in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Evan Dixon listed as dying 11 years earlier.[6] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Alejandro Guerrero in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Alejandro Guerrero listed as dying 5 years earlier.[7]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

2012: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2012 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney.[8]  It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

June 2011: Hazel Brionne Woodard apparently arranged for her son Mark James Jr. to vote at the polls in the name of his father, Mark James Sr., in the municipal runoff elections in Tarrant County, TX.[9]

Nov. 2010: Four ballots may have been cast in the general election in South Carolina in the name of voters who had previously died (Ed Louis Johnson, Elbert R. Thompson, Ruth Middleton, and James L. Warnock); election and law enforcement officials had insufficient information to come to a final conclusion, including two pollbook pages that were unavailable. (Law enforcement agents believe that the ballot of Elbert R. Thompson may have been confused  with that of his son, Elbert Thompson.) Another 203 allegations of deceased voters in the same election were revealed to be either clerical error or coincidence.[10]

May 2009: Lorenzo Antonio Almanza, Jr., after voting himself, apparently cast a ballot at the polls in the name of his incarcerated brother, Orlando Almanza, in the 2009 election for the Progreso Independent School District Board, TX. (His mother, Reyna Almanza, vouched for him, and was separately convicted.)[11]

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Forrest Downie in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Forrest Downie listed as dying 3 years earlier.[12] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Scott Hagloch in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Scott Hagloch listed as dying 2 years earlier.[13]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Mar. 2008: Jack Carol Crowder III allegedly impersonated his father (Jack Carol Crowder), using his father’s voter registration card at the polls in the March 2008 presidential primary election in Baytown, TX.[14]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of James E. Barnes, who died in 2006.  This may (or may not) have been the result of clerical error confusing the man with his son, James W. Barnes; it is not clear whether the pollbooks were reviewed to determine whether fraud or clerical error was the cause.[15]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of Stanley Dwayne Echols, who was at the hospital and did not vote.[16]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

June 2007: The two contending city council candidates in a municipal runoff election in Hoboken, NJ, both reported instances in the election in which someone went to the polls and found out that someone else had voted in their place.[17] It is not clear how many instances there were, or how the candidates learned of them. It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in a municipal budget referendum in Stonington, CT, in the name of Jane M. Drury, who died in 2000.[18] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Rosalie B. Simpson died in August 2004, but a vote was apparently recorded at the polls in her name in the general election in Seattle, WA.[19] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Frank Sanchez, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[20]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Someone apparently signed on the pollbook line for Rose-Mary G. McGee, in Albuquerque, NM, during the general election.[21]

Nov. 2004: Dwight Adkins, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[22]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Three people at the polls in Westchester County, NY, were given provisional ballots (in New York, “affidavit ballots”) in the general election because someone had allegedly signed the poll books in their place.[23] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

Nov. 2004: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the general election in Milwaukee, WI, in the name of an individual who had died several years earlier.[24] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2004: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2004 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney. [25] It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

Jan. 2004: Mark Lacasse apparently voted at the polls in the presidential primary in Londonderry, NH, in the name of his father, who was away on business at the time. [26]

Nov. 2002: Shasta Nicole Crayton apparently voted in her sister’s name at the polls in the general election in Dadeville, AL.[27]
In several municipal, primary, and general elections in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2011, votes were cast in-person in Philadephia, PA, by an individual named Joseph Cheeseboro and by an individual named Joseph J. Cheeseborough. There is apparently some doubt about where one or both names represent real identities.[28]

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 44 individuals with names, dates of birth, and Social Security numbers matching the information of individuals listed as incarcerated were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[29] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the incarceration records or the voting records.

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 145 individuals with names, dates of birth, and addresses matching the information of individuals listed as deceased were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[30] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the death records or the voting records.
According to Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram, the names, birth dates, and Social Security numbers of four “recent” voters allegedly matched the corresponding information on earlier death certificates, indicating that the votes were cast after the individuals’ deaths.  It is not clear at which elections these votes were cast, or how many, if any, of these votes were cast at the polls (rather than absentee). It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.[31]
 

Credible allegations of impersonation at the polls since 2000 that would not likely be prevented by a rule requiring ID at the polls, or attempted impersonation at the polls since 2000 that was actually prevented without a strict ID requirement

(Note: these allegations do not include other forms of fraud not prevented by a requirement to show ID at the polls, including absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, vote coercion, fraud in the tallying process, voter registration fraud, double voting, voting by nonresidents, voting by noncitizens, voting by persons disenfranchised by conviction, or fraud in the petitioning process.)

Nov. 2012: Linda Earlette Wells apparently voted at the polls in the general election in Germantown, MD, in the name of her mother (Beatrice Moore Wells), who had died in June 2011.  She apparently used her mother’s ID to cast the ballot.[32]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Caitlin A. Legacki in the general election; Legacki was in Missouri at the time.  However, in 2012, New Hampshire had a requirement that voters show photo ID at the polls; officials believe that either someone showed a fraudulent ID in Legacki’s name or (according to them, more likely) that a clerical error incorrectly listed Legacki as voting.[33]

Nov. 2010 (and Nov. 2008): Ortencia Segura-Segura apparently voted at the polls in the name of Marisela Reyna in the general elections in Reno, NV, using a fraudulently procured Nevada driver’s license.[34]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Mar. 2010: Delores McMillian and her mother were both election officials in Dallas. During the primary election, McMillian used one other voter’s registration number to try to cast a ballot in her name. (Her mother may have used more, but died during the course of the investigation.)  A fellow election worker apparently blocked the attempt.[35] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008 (and others): Mary Ann Comparin used a fake driver’s license in the name of her long-dead sister, Norma Gerrish Collins, to vote in her sister’s name in the 2008 general election in Bexar County, TX. [36] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008: Ricardo Lopez-Munguia apparently voted (whether absentee or in person is not clear) in the name of Gustavo Carranza-Madrigal in the general election in Escondido, CA. Lopez-Munguia possessed a fraudulent California driver’s license.[37] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

May 2008: Andrea Peña was apparently recruited by mayor Omar Vela to vote in the school board election in Progreso, TX; Peña was apparently given someone else’s voter registration card and told that pollworkers would make sure there were no problems. An election judge (more usually known as a pollworker) actually cast Peña’s ballot for her.[38] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots
.
May 2008: in the same Progreso school board election, Jessica Rangel claimed that Guadalupe Vela Sr. tried to convince Rangel to recruit a friend to vote with someone else’s voter registration card, and claimed that “they had people that worked the election on their side.” Rangel apparently refused.[39] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Aug. 2007: Vancy Voorhies, a pollworker in Davidson County, TN, apparently voted at the polls in the mayoral election; at her ill elderly cousin’s request, she signed her cousin’s name in the pollbook (with her own initials to indicate the permission), asked her cousin how she preferred to vote, and cast the ballot accordingly.[40]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a misguided pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

June 2007: A homeless man was apparently paid $10 to use the name of Kevin Logan to vote in a city council runoff race in Hoboken, NJ. After a challenge by a local resident, the effort failed. [41]

Sept. 2005: Memphis, TN, pollworkers Verline Mayo, Gertrude Otteridge, and Mary McClatcher apparently cast at least three votes at the polls in the names of others, including two in the names of dead voters, in a special election for a state Senate seat.[42]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

May 2005: Macon, MS, resident Kendrick Slaughter testified that he saw Ike Brown, chairman of the Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee, urging Bridgette Brown to “go in [to the precinct pollsite] and vote, to use any name, and that no one was going to say anything.”  It is not clear whether Bridgette Brown did cast a vote at the polls in the name of another, but it is clear that pollworkers under Ike Brown’s direction stood ready to commit or facilitate other forms of voter fraud.[43] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2000: A vote was cast in the general election in Miami, FL, in the name of Andre Alismé, who had died in 1997.  The voter apparently used either a passport or driver’s license and a voter registration card in Alismé’s name.[44]
 

[1] Jim Planck, Alleged Fraud Casts Pall Over Catskill School Vote, Daily Mail, May 29, 2014.

[2] Alli Knothe, 2 Charged with Voter Fraud in Worcester, Worcester Telegram & Gazette, Dec. 4, 2013.

[3] Max Rivlin-Nadler et al., Brazen Voting Fraud Alleged Among Ultra-Orthodox in Williamsburg, Gothamist, Sep. 11, 2013, http://gothamist.com/2013/09/11/voter_fraud_attempts.php.

[4] Jason Noble, Schultz, Many Iowans Still Solidly Back Voter ID Laws, Des Moines Register, Dec. 15, 2013.

[5] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[6] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[7] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[8] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[9] Dianna Hunt, Democratic Precinct Chairwoman Candidate Indicted in Voter Fraud Case in Fort Worth, Star-Telegram, Apr. 30, 2012; Indictment, State v. Woodard, Case No. 1262418 (432d Texas Dist. Ct., Dec. 1, 2011).

[10] South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, Investigative File #32-12-0008, June 4, 2013, at 4-8, 380-89, 404-13, 475-76, http://www.scribd.com/doc/155615207/SLED-Investigation-Into-Voter-Fraud.

[11] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 162-167.

[12] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[13] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[14] Complaint, State v. Crowder, Case No. 02424794 (177th Texas Dist Ct. May 13, 2009); John Kelso, Commentary, You’re Not Fooling Me.  You’re Just Impersonating a Voter, Austin American-Statesman, Mar. 3, 2011.

[15] Susan Lakes, Judge Orders New Election, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 24, 2007; Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[16] Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[17] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007.

[18] Marcel Dufresne, Dead Voters? Probe Finds Errors in Records, Hartford Courant, Apr. 20, 2008; In the Matter of a Referral by the Secretary of the State, Conn. State Elections Enforcement Comm’n, File No. 2008-049, Nov. 17, 2008, http://seec.ct.gov/e2casebase/data/fd/FD_2008_949.pdf.

[19] Phuong Cat Le & Michelle Nicolosi, Dead Voted in Governor’s Race, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Jan. 7, 2005.

[20] Dan McKay, Jeff Jones & Leann Holt, Tallying of Ballots Could Take Days, Albuquerque J., Nov. 3, 2004, at A1.

[21] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1; Rose-Mary McGee, Disenfranchised By Voter Impersonation, Election Journal, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AF-Nt759Q4.

[22] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1.

[23] Panio v. Sutherland, 790 N.Y.S.2d 136, 141 (2005).

[24] Milwaukee Police Dept., Special Investigations Unit, Report of the Investigation into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee, at 61.

[25] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[26] Young Bush Backer A Little Early, Lewiston Sun-Journal, Apr. 2, 2004.

[27] News Release, AG King Announces Felony Conviction for Illegal Voting, Apr. 9, 2004.

[28] City Commissioner Al Schmidt, Voting Irregularities: Voting Irregularities in Philadelphia County, 2012 Primary Election, July 2012, at 16-18.

[29] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 15, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[30] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 16, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[31] Transcript, Texas v. Holder, Case No. 12-00128 (D.D.C. July 9, 2012) (vol. I, A.M. Session), at 65-67 (testimony of Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram).

 

[32] St. John Barned-Smith, Germantown Woman Pleads Guilty to 2012 Voter Fraud, Gazette, Sept. 13, 2013, http://www.gazette.net/article/20130913/NEWS/130919454/germantown-woman-pleads-guilty-to-2012-voter-fraud&template=gazette.

[33] Steve Macdonald, How Does this Democrat Vote Fraud Grab You?, Granite Grok, Jan. 22, 2014, http://granitegrok.com/blog/2014/01/how-does-this-democrat-vote-fraud-grab-you; Vote Fraud: It, and Mistakes, Happen, New Hampshire Union Leader, Jan. 27, 2014.

[34] Application and Affidavit for Arrest, Nevada v. Segura Segura, Case No. RCR-2014-076362 (Nev. Justice Ct. Reno Township Mar. 12, 2014).

[35] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 167-172.

[36] Eva Ruth Moravec, Woman, 81, Jailed in Vote-Fraud Case, San Antonio Express-News, Oct. 5, 2010.

[37] Brandon Lowrey, Escondido: Mexican Man Admits to Voter Fraud, San Diego Union-Tribune, Sept. 7, 2012, http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Sep/07/escondido-mexican-man-admits-to-voter-fraud/.

[38] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[39] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[40] Michael Cass, Poll Worker Indicted in Vote Probe, The Tennessean, Dec. 20, 2007; Email from District Attorney Susan Niland to Corbin Carson, July 20, 2012, 11:49:19 AM, http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/404111/tennessee-davidson-county-with-cases.pdf.

[41] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007; Madeline Friedman, Unclear Which Agency Will Investigate Voter Fraud, Hoboken Reporter, July 8, 2007.

[42] Editorial, Seeking Justice in Memphis, The Tennessean, June 26, 2006; Gail Kerr, No Problem With Dead Voters Here, Official Says, The Tennessean, Feb. 6, 2006; Marc Perrusquia, Judge: Let's Air Details of Fraud, Memphis Commercial Appeal, May 22, 2007.

[43] United States v. Brown, 494 F. Supp. 2d 440, 486 n.73 (S.D. Miss. 2007).

[44] Manny Garcia & Tom Dubucq, Unregistered Voters Cast Ballots in Dade: Dead Man’s Vote, Scores of Others Were Allowed Illegally, Herald Finds, Miami Herald, Dec. 24, 2000.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:30:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:28:08 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:24:21 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:22:50 PM

Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

K

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/melowese-richardson-former-poll-worker-to-be-sentenced-on-four-counts-of-voter-fraud

And of course, ACORN...classy people these guys are

http://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud

Truly a widespread phenomenon requiring laws that will prevent lots of people from voting if ever I saw it

(I blame myself for carelessly leaving out "widespread" when I asked to know if it was a thing, because we both know it's not)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 12:34:40 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_general_election,_1927

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:36:18 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 12:34:40 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_general_election,_1927

Something Something Putin...something something.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:36:39 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 12:34:40 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberian_general_election,_1927

Could also simply link Hitler's political history.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2014, 12:40:53 PM

Voter ID :heh (http://i.imgur.com/Ap88Wsq.png)

The only voter fraud out there are conservative terroristsactivists trying to commit said fraud to show it exists.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:41:42 PM

Anywho

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2karu6/iama_28year_veteran_of_the_internal_revenue/

:whew

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2014, 12:48:45 PM

I love the :hans1 people who immediately disregard him for not demonizing Lerner right off the bat. Still holding out hope Issa was right this whole time. :heh

Keep waiting.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:56:19 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 27, 2014, 12:48:45 PM

I love the :hans1 people who immediately disregard him for not demonizing Lerner right off the bat. Still holding out hope Issa was right this whole time. :heh

Keep waiting.

Guy is such a goddamn shill....

Our biggest problem is we need more money......

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 01:12:36 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 27, 2014, 12:48:45 PM

I love the :hans1 people who immediately disregard him for not demonizing Lerner right off the bat. Still holding out hope Issa was right this whole time. :heh

Keep waiting.

Darrell Issa's investigations are actually about ethics in gaming journalism.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2014, 01:14:07 PM

Why doesn't the GOP want the IRS to function properly? (http://i.imgur.com/6BgZQaQ.png)

We could sit and speculate that they are trying to bankrupt America, or bide time for wealthy donors to hide their money, or cover for big military contractors funneling money to terrorist orgs to attack America so America buys more weapons and starts more wars.....:hans1  We can go on all day on the reasons one party insists on underfunding the tax collecting wing of the government and then screams about the national debt.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 27, 2014, 01:52:02 PM

Earnestly respond to Breitbart-level posts, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 01:53:06 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on October 27, 2014, 01:52:02 PM

Earnestly respond to Breitbart-level posts, brehs.

Earnestly respond is this thread but never add to it, brehs.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on October 27, 2014, 01:55:29 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/foQU4.png)

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 01:59:17 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on October 27, 2014, 01:55:29 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/foQU4.png)

 :hitler

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 27, 2014, 06:29:31 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:36:39 PM

Could also simply link Hitler's political history.

Kind of a headache to distinguish his voter fraud from the larger Weimar problem of political parties having affiliated paramilitary groups who I can't imagine had much else to do but intimidate voters. :larry

Even the Centre and German Democratic Parties had one. :dead

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 06:54:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:28:08 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:27:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 27, 2014, 12:24:21 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 12:22:50 PM

Ignore every study that shows voter id laws will result in fewer poors and minorities voting in order to combat a "problem" that doesn't really exist, brehs

I'm glad we have an expert on voter fraud right here at the Bore...awesome.

Stan for shit you know happens and play the out of sight out of mind game bro..but let me guess you got yourself a free phone, eh?

:whew

Could you link me to some credible articles/studies that prove voter fraud is a thing?  I'll just be here waiting...

K

http://www.wcpo.com/news/local-news/melowese-richardson-former-poll-worker-to-be-sentenced-on-four-counts-of-voter-fraud

And of course, ACORN...classy people these guys are

http://ballotpedia.org/ACORN_and_voter_registration_fraud


May 2014: Ben Hodzic allegedly voted at the polls in the name of his brother in the Catskill School District Board of Education election in Catskill, NY.[1]

Nov. 2013: Mark Atlas allegedly voted at the polls in the name of someone else in the municipal election in Worcester, MA.[2]

Sep. 2013: At least four, and possibly 20-24, Hasidic voters in the South Williamsburg neighborhood of Brooklyn, NY, allegedly attempted to vote at the polls under others’ names in the municipal primary elections for New York City.[3]

Mar. 2013: Kristina Bentrim went to vote at the polls in the Cedar Rapids, IA, special election on a gambling referendum, and was allegedly told that someone had voted in her name.[4]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Angela Cooney in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Angela Cooney listed as dying 4 years earlier.[5]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.
Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Evan Dixon in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Evan Dixon listed as dying 11 years earlier.[6] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Alejandro Guerrero in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is an Alejandro Guerrero listed as dying 5 years earlier.[7]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

2012: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2012 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney.[8]  It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

June 2011: Hazel Brionne Woodard apparently arranged for her son Mark James Jr. to vote at the polls in the name of his father, Mark James Sr., in the municipal runoff elections in Tarrant County, TX.[9]

Nov. 2010: Four ballots may have been cast in the general election in South Carolina in the name of voters who had previously died (Ed Louis Johnson, Elbert R. Thompson, Ruth Middleton, and James L. Warnock); election and law enforcement officials had insufficient information to come to a final conclusion, including two pollbook pages that were unavailable. (Law enforcement agents believe that the ballot of Elbert R. Thompson may have been confused  with that of his son, Elbert Thompson.) Another 203 allegations of deceased voters in the same election were revealed to be either clerical error or coincidence.[10]

May 2009: Lorenzo Antonio Almanza, Jr., after voting himself, apparently cast a ballot at the polls in the name of his incarcerated brother, Orlando Almanza, in the 2009 election for the Progreso Independent School District Board, TX. (His mother, Reyna Almanza, vouched for him, and was separately convicted.)[11]

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Forrest Downie in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Forrest Downie listed as dying 3 years earlier.[12] It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2008: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Scott Hagloch in the general election in San Diego, CA; there is a Scott Hagloch listed as dying 2 years earlier.[13]  It is not clear whether the two are the same person, or whether the death reports are accurate, and poll book records do not appear to have been investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Mar. 2008: Jack Carol Crowder III allegedly impersonated his father (Jack Carol Crowder), using his father’s voter registration card at the polls in the March 2008 presidential primary election in Baytown, TX.[14]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of James E. Barnes, who died in 2006.  This may (or may not) have been the result of clerical error confusing the man with his son, James W. Barnes; it is not clear whether the pollbooks were reviewed to determine whether fraud or clerical error was the cause.[15]

Aug. 2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the statewide primary in Hattiesburg, MS, in the name of Stanley Dwayne Echols, who was at the hospital and did not vote.[16]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

June 2007: The two contending city council candidates in a municipal runoff election in Hoboken, NJ, both reported instances in the election in which someone went to the polls and found out that someone else had voted in their place.[17] It is not clear how many instances there were, or how the candidates learned of them. It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2007: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in a municipal budget referendum in Stonington, CT, in the name of Jane M. Drury, who died in 2000.[18] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Rosalie B. Simpson died in August 2004, but a vote was apparently recorded at the polls in her name in the general election in Seattle, WA.[19] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Frank Sanchez, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[20]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Someone apparently signed on the pollbook line for Rose-Mary G. McGee, in Albuquerque, NM, during the general election.[21]

Nov. 2004: Dwight Adkins, in Albuquerque, NM, was told that someone had signed on the line for his name in the pollbook during the general election.[22]  It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.

Nov. 2004: Three people at the polls in Westchester County, NY, were given provisional ballots (in New York, “affidavit ballots”) in the general election because someone had allegedly signed the poll books in their place.[23] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

Nov. 2004: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the general election in Milwaukee, WI, in the name of an individual who had died several years earlier.[24] It is not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the records of voting represented impersonated signatures or clerical errors.

2004: According to the North Carolina State Board of Elections, one allegation of impersonation fraud in 2004 was sufficiently credible to refer to the local district attorney. [25] It is not clear whether the alleged fraud was in-person, or if follow-up established whether fraud did or did not likely occur.

Jan. 2004: Mark Lacasse apparently voted at the polls in the presidential primary in Londonderry, NH, in the name of his father, who was away on business at the time. [26]

Nov. 2002: Shasta Nicole Crayton apparently voted in her sister’s name at the polls in the general election in Dadeville, AL.[27]
In several municipal, primary, and general elections in 2006, 2007, 2008, 2010, and 2011, votes were cast in-person in Philadephia, PA, by an individual named Joseph Cheeseboro and by an individual named Joseph J. Cheeseborough. There is apparently some doubt about where one or both names represent real identities.[28]

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 44 individuals with names, dates of birth, and Social Security numbers matching the information of individuals listed as incarcerated were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[29] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the incarceration records or the voting records.

In elections from October 2008 through June 2011, 145 individuals with names, dates of birth, and addresses matching the information of individuals listed as deceased were recorded as having cast ballots in person in Michigan.[30] It is not clear whether records were further investigated to determine whether the matches represent fraudulent votes or clerical errors in either the death records or the voting records.
According to Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram, the names, birth dates, and Social Security numbers of four “recent” voters allegedly matched the corresponding information on earlier death certificates, indicating that the votes were cast after the individuals’ deaths.  It is not clear at which elections these votes were cast, or how many, if any, of these votes were cast at the polls (rather than absentee). It is also not clear whether poll book records were investigated to determine whether the record of voting represented an impersonated signature or a clerical error.[31]
 

Credible allegations of impersonation at the polls since 2000 that would not likely be prevented by a rule requiring ID at the polls, or attempted impersonation at the polls since 2000 that was actually prevented without a strict ID requirement

(Note: these allegations do not include other forms of fraud not prevented by a requirement to show ID at the polls, including absentee ballot fraud, vote buying, vote coercion, fraud in the tallying process, voter registration fraud, double voting, voting by nonresidents, voting by noncitizens, voting by persons disenfranchised by conviction, or fraud in the petitioning process.)

Nov. 2012: Linda Earlette Wells apparently voted at the polls in the general election in Germantown, MD, in the name of her mother (Beatrice Moore Wells), who had died in June 2011.  She apparently used her mother’s ID to cast the ballot.[32]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2012: A vote was apparently cast at the polls in the name of Caitlin A. Legacki in the general election; Legacki was in Missouri at the time.  However, in 2012, New Hampshire had a requirement that voters show photo ID at the polls; officials believe that either someone showed a fraudulent ID in Legacki’s name or (according to them, more likely) that a clerical error incorrectly listed Legacki as voting.[33]

Nov. 2010 (and Nov. 2008): Ortencia Segura-Segura apparently voted at the polls in the name of Marisela Reyna in the general elections in Reno, NV, using a fraudulently procured Nevada driver’s license.[34]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Mar. 2010: Delores McMillian and her mother were both election officials in Dallas. During the primary election, McMillian used one other voter’s registration number to try to cast a ballot in her name. (Her mother may have used more, but died during the course of the investigation.)  A fellow election worker apparently blocked the attempt.[35] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008 (and others): Mary Ann Comparin used a fake driver’s license in the name of her long-dead sister, Norma Gerrish Collins, to vote in her sister’s name in the 2008 general election in Bexar County, TX. [36] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2008: Ricardo Lopez-Munguia apparently voted (whether absentee or in person is not clear) in the name of Gustavo Carranza-Madrigal in the general election in Escondido, CA. Lopez-Munguia possessed a fraudulent California driver’s license.[37] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from using a fraudulent driver’s license to cast invalid ballots.

May 2008: Andrea Peña was apparently recruited by mayor Omar Vela to vote in the school board election in Progreso, TX; Peña was apparently given someone else’s voter registration card and told that pollworkers would make sure there were no problems. An election judge (more usually known as a pollworker) actually cast Peña’s ballot for her.[38] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots
.
May 2008: in the same Progreso school board election, Jessica Rangel claimed that Guadalupe Vela Sr. tried to convince Rangel to recruit a friend to vote with someone else’s voter registration card, and claimed that “they had people that worked the election on their side.” Rangel apparently refused.[39] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Aug. 2007: Vancy Voorhies, a pollworker in Davidson County, TN, apparently voted at the polls in the mayoral election; at her ill elderly cousin’s request, she signed her cousin’s name in the pollbook (with her own initials to indicate the permission), asked her cousin how she preferred to vote, and cast the ballot accordingly.[40]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a misguided pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

June 2007: A homeless man was apparently paid $10 to use the name of Kevin Logan to vote in a city council runoff race in Hoboken, NJ. After a challenge by a local resident, the effort failed. [41]

Sept. 2005: Memphis, TN, pollworkers Verline Mayo, Gertrude Otteridge, and Mary McClatcher apparently cast at least three votes at the polls in the names of others, including two in the names of dead voters, in a special election for a state Senate seat.[42]  It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal pollworker from casting invalid ballots.

May 2005: Macon, MS, resident Kendrick Slaughter testified that he saw Ike Brown, chairman of the Noxubee County Democratic Executive Committee, urging Bridgette Brown to “go in [to the precinct pollsite] and vote, to use any name, and that no one was going to say anything.”  It is not clear whether Bridgette Brown did cast a vote at the polls in the name of another, but it is clear that pollworkers under Ike Brown’s direction stood ready to commit or facilitate other forms of voter fraud.[43] It is not clear how a law requiring voters to show ID to pollworkers at the polls could stop a criminal from conspiring with pollworkers to cast invalid ballots.

Nov. 2000: A vote was cast in the general election in Miami, FL, in the name of Andre Alismé, who had died in 1997.  The voter apparently used either a passport or driver’s license and a voter registration card in Alismé’s name.[44]
 

[1] Jim Planck, Alleged Fraud Casts Pall Over Catskill School Vote, Daily Mail, May 29, 2014.

[2] Alli Knothe, 2 Charged with Voter Fraud in Worcester, Worcester Telegram & Gazette, Dec. 4, 2013.

[3] Max Rivlin-Nadler et al., Brazen Voting Fraud Alleged Among Ultra-Orthodox in Williamsburg, Gothamist, Sep. 11, 2013, http://gothamist.com/2013/09/11/voter_fraud_attempts.php.

[4] Jason Noble, Schultz, Many Iowans Still Solidly Back Voter ID Laws, Des Moines Register, Dec. 15, 2013.

[5] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[6] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[7] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[8] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[9] Dianna Hunt, Democratic Precinct Chairwoman Candidate Indicted in Voter Fraud Case in Fort Worth, Star-Telegram, Apr. 30, 2012; Indictment, State v. Woodard, Case No. 1262418 (432d Texas Dist. Ct., Dec. 1, 2011).

[10] South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, Investigative File #32-12-0008, June 4, 2013, at 4-8, 380-89, 404-13, 475-76, http://www.scribd.com/doc/155615207/SLED-Investigation-Into-Voter-Fraud.

[11] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 162-167.

[12] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[13] Joel Hoffman, Votes Cast in the Name of 8 More, San Diego Union-Tribune, July 19, 2014.

[14] Complaint, State v. Crowder, Case No. 02424794 (177th Texas Dist Ct. May 13, 2009); John Kelso, Commentary, You’re Not Fooling Me.  You’re Just Impersonating a Voter, Austin American-Statesman, Mar. 3, 2011.

[15] Susan Lakes, Judge Orders New Election, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 24, 2007; Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[16] Susan Lakes, Candidate to Stay on Ballot, Hattiesburg American (Miss.), Oct. 25, 2007.

[17] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007.

[18] Marcel Dufresne, Dead Voters? Probe Finds Errors in Records, Hartford Courant, Apr. 20, 2008; In the Matter of a Referral by the Secretary of the State, Conn. State Elections Enforcement Comm’n, File No. 2008-049, Nov. 17, 2008, http://seec.ct.gov/e2casebase/data/fd/FD_2008_949.pdf.

[19] Phuong Cat Le & Michelle Nicolosi, Dead Voted in Governor’s Race, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Jan. 7, 2005.

[20] Dan McKay, Jeff Jones & Leann Holt, Tallying of Ballots Could Take Days, Albuquerque J., Nov. 3, 2004, at A1.

[21] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1; Rose-Mary McGee, Disenfranchised By Voter Impersonation, Election Journal, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AF-Nt759Q4.

[22] Dan McKay & David Miles, Clerk Tossing 25% of Ballots, Albuquerque J., Nov. 9, 2004, at A1.

[23] Panio v. Sutherland, 790 N.Y.S.2d 136, 141 (2005).

[24] Milwaukee Police Dept., Special Investigations Unit, Report of the Investigation into the November 2, 2004 General Election in the City of Milwaukee, at 61.

[25] N.C. State Board of Elections, Documented Cases of Voter Fraud in North Carolina, Mar. 11, 2013, http://www.democracy-nc.org/downloads/SBOEFraudMemo2013.pdf.

[26] Young Bush Backer A Little Early, Lewiston Sun-Journal, Apr. 2, 2004.

[27] News Release, AG King Announces Felony Conviction for Illegal Voting, Apr. 9, 2004.

[28] City Commissioner Al Schmidt, Voting Irregularities: Voting Irregularities in Philadelphia County, 2012 Primary Election, July 2012, at 16-18.

[29] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 15, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[30] Michigan Auditor General, Performance Audit of the Bureau of Elections, Report No. 231-0235-11, May 2012, at 16, http://audgen.michigan.gov/finalpdfs/11_12/r231023511.pdf.

[31] Transcript, Texas v. Holder, Case No. 12-00128 (D.D.C. July 9, 2012) (vol. I, A.M. Session), at 65-67 (testimony of Texas Director of Elections Keith Ingram).

 

[32] St. John Barned-Smith, Germantown Woman Pleads Guilty to 2012 Voter Fraud, Gazette, Sept. 13, 2013, http://www.gazette.net/article/20130913/NEWS/130919454/germantown-woman-pleads-guilty-to-2012-voter-fraud&template=gazette.

[33] Steve Macdonald, How Does this Democrat Vote Fraud Grab You?, Granite Grok, Jan. 22, 2014, http://granitegrok.com/blog/2014/01/how-does-this-democrat-vote-fraud-grab-you; Vote Fraud: It, and Mistakes, Happen, New Hampshire Union Leader, Jan. 27, 2014.

[34] Application and Affidavit for Arrest, Nevada v. Segura Segura, Case No. RCR-2014-076362 (Nev. Justice Ct. Reno Township Mar. 12, 2014).

[35] Deposition of Major Forrest Mitchell, Texas v. Holder, No. 1:12-cv-00128, Doc. 229-16 (D.D.C. June 15, 2012), at 167-172.

[36] Eva Ruth Moravec, Woman, 81, Jailed in Vote-Fraud Case, San Antonio Express-News, Oct. 5, 2010.

[37] Brandon Lowrey, Escondido: Mexican Man Admits to Voter Fraud, San Diego Union-Tribune, Sept. 7, 2012, http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Sep/07/escondido-mexican-man-admits-to-voter-fraud/.

[38] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[39] Jeremy Roebuck, Progreso Voters Desperate for Solutions to Alleged Election Fraud, McAllen Monitor, Mar. 14, 2009.

[40] Michael Cass, Poll Worker Indicted in Vote Probe, The Tennessean, Dec. 20, 2007; Email from District Attorney Susan Niland to Corbin Carson, July 20, 2012, 11:49:19 AM, http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/404111/tennessee-davidson-county-with-cases.pdf.

[41] Madeline Friedman, Anatomy of Voter Fraud: Will Officials Follow Up on Alleged $10 Vote Payoff?, Hudson Reporter, July 10, 2007; Madeline Friedman, Unclear Which Agency Will Investigate Voter Fraud, Hoboken Reporter, July 8, 2007.

[42] Editorial, Seeking Justice in Memphis, The Tennessean, June 26, 2006; Gail Kerr, No Problem With Dead Voters Here, Official Says, The Tennessean, Feb. 6, 2006; Marc Perrusquia, Judge: Let's Air Details of Fraud, Memphis Commercial Appeal, May 22, 2007.

[43] United States v. Brown, 494 F. Supp. 2d 440, 486 n.73 (S.D. Miss. 2007).

[44] Manny Garcia & Tom Dubucq, Unregistered Voters Cast Ballots in Dade: Dead Man’s Vote, Scores of Others Were Allowed Illegally, Herald Finds, Miami Herald, Dec. 24, 2000.

grats, you just linked to the <2% of US votes that are fraudulent.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2014, 09:00:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2014, 06:54:18 PM

grats, you just linked to the <2% of US votes that are fraudulent.

More like <.02%.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 09:44:28 PM

http://online.wsj.com/articles/hans-von-spakovsky-here-comes-the-2014-voter-fraud-1414450805

Quote

Here Comes the 2014 Voter Fraud
Progressives and the Justice Department are doing all they can to stop improvements in election integrity.

By HANS VON SPAKOVSKY
Oct. 27, 2014 7:00 p.m. ET

In the past few months, a former police chief in Pennsylvania pleaded guilty to voter fraud in a town-council election. That fraud had flipped the outcome of a primary election. Former Connecticut legislator Christina Ayala has been indicted on 19 charges of voter fraud, including voting in districts where she didn’t reside. (She hasn’t entered a plea.) A Mississippi grand jury indicted seven individuals for voter fraud in the 2013 Hattiesburg mayoral contest, which featured voting by ineligible felons and impersonation fraud. A woman in Polk County, Tenn., was indicted on a charge of vote-buying—a practice that the local district attorney said had too long “been accepted as part of life” there.

Now come the midterm elections on Nov. 4. What is the likelihood that your vote won’t count? That your vote will, in effect, be canceled or stolen as a consequence of mistakes by election officials or fraudulent votes cast by campaign workers or ineligible voters like felons and noncitizens?

Unfortunately, we can’t know. But one thing is almost certain: Voter fraud will occur. Many states run a rickety election process, lacking rules to deter people who are looking to take advantage of the system’s porous security. And too many groups and individuals—including the NAACP, the American Civil Liberties Union and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder —are doing everything they can to prevent states from improving the integrity of the election process.

Their refrain is that voter fraud either doesn’t exist or is so insignificant that nothing needs to be done to improve ballot security. Yet in the U.S. Supreme Court’s 2008 ruling that upheld Indiana’s voter ID law, Justice John Paul Stevens acknowledged “flagrant examples of such fraud” throughout the nation’s history and observed that “not only is the risk of voter fraud real” but also that “it could affect the outcome of a close election.”

Polling shows that the November general election will likely have many close races, particularly on the local level. Nothing new there. In 2014, 16 local races in Ohio were decided by one vote or through breaking a tie. In 2013, 35 local races in Ohio were that close.

Voting by noncitizens alone could swing such races. A new study by two Old Dominion University professors, based on survey data from the Cooperative Congressional Election Study, found that 6.4% of all noncitizens voted illegally in the 2008 presidential election, and 2.2% voted in the 2010 midterms.

Since 80% of noncitizens vote Democratic, according to the survey, the authors concluded that these illegal votes were “large enough to plausibly account for Democratic victories in a few close elections.” Those that might have been skewed by noncitizen votes included Al Franken ’s 312-vote win in the Minnesota race for the U.S. Senate. As a senator, Mr. Franken would cast the 60th vote needed to make ObamaCare law.

We’ll never know what role noncitizen voting has played in past elections, but the problem is real. While states like New York ignore this problem, other states have passed rules to deal with it.

In addition to voter ID laws, Kansas and Arizona have put in place new proof-of-citizenship requirements for registration to prevent illegal voting. It is a common-sense and needed reform. In recent weeks North Carolina found more than 100 illegal aliens, still in the country thanks to the Obama administration’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, registered to vote. Yet opponents including the League of Women Voters and Common Cause are challenging citizenship requirements in the courts.

Some states have also tried to eliminate same-day registration, which is a recipe for fraud since it prevents election officials from verifying the eligibility of voters and the accuracy of voter-registration information. States also are reducing early voting days, a relatively new phenomenon that has its share of election-administration problems.

These moves to shore up election integrity have been resisted by progressives at every turn, claiming without evidence that such efforts suppress minority turnout. While the lawsuits have largely failed to overturn the rules, they have succeeded in delaying their implementation and made it costly for states to improve election security. South Carolina’s voter ID law will be in place in the November election, but it cost the state $3.5 million in 2012 to beat Eric Holder’s Justice Department in court. The U.S. Supreme Court just upheld a decision throwing out an injunction against a Texas voter ID law, which was in place in state elections in 2013 and primary elections this year.

North Carolina, Ohio and Wisconsin are still battling progressives and the Justice Department in court over their election rules, although North Carolina and Ohio also got favorable decisions from the Supreme Court, allowing them to implement their rules for this election cycle. As John Fund and I outline in our new book on Attorney General Holder, the Justice Department refuses to enforce the federal law requiring states to keep accurate voter rolls—even though a 2012 Pew study found that the rolls are riddled with errors and ineligible voters.

How far are some liberals willing to go in undermining ballot integrity? This month, the conservative guerrilla filmmaker James O’Keefe caught a director of the “social change” organization Work for Progress and an employee for the Greenpeace environmental group voicing their approval of absentee-ballot theft and fraudulent voting in Colorado. Recent polls indicate that the state’s governor and U.S. Senate races are statistical ties.

Greenpeace fired the worker who was caught approving voter fraud, but too many on the left shrug at the prospect of tainted elections. At a Cincinnati “voting rights” rally in March, Rev. Al Sharpton and other liberal activists celebrated Melowese Richardson, who was convicted last year of voter fraud by using her position as a poll worker to vote more than once in the 2012 presidential election. Her five-year prison sentence was amended to five years of probation earlier this year—a delayed wrist-slap that further erodes respect for the ballot box.

For too long, America has basically used the honor system in the voter-registration and election process. That approach is increasingly being revealed as indefensible in a vibrant democracy, where we should make it easy to vote and hard to cheat.

Mr. von Spakovsky, a Heritage Foundation senior legal fellow and former commissioner on the Federal Election Commission, is the co-author, with John Fund, of “Obama’s Enforcer: Eric Holder’s Justice Department” (HarperCollins/Broadside 2014).

:teehee

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2014, 10:19:11 PM

"Election integrity"

:neogaf

Watch that become a new conservative buzzword

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2014, 10:48:12 PM

"guerrilla filmmaker"

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 27, 2014, 10:56:52 PM

if lawmakers legit gave a shit about "election integrity," the priority should probably be voter turnout, not voter fraud

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 10:30:13 AM

Just came across this by accident, will have to remember next time I get the crap from the children who stick their fingers in their ears when the mythical narrative is questioned.
(http://i.imgur.com/F8YXGXS.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/6l5Zaaj.png)

Carter  :whew
Clinton  :aah

also lol at Bush's hiring jump, trying to make up for the previous eight years huh buddy?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 10:46:22 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/8vse8Pm.png)

(http://www.quicktopic.com/blog/archives/NixonNowMoreThanEverSmall.jpg)

Like, literally.

That said, bring back campaign ads like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMO5DfRIv-k

Nixon now! Nixon now! More than ever. Nixon now!
(http://www.loriferber.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/n/o/now-more-than-ever-posters.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 10:47:38 AM

Nixon will go down as the most underrated president of all time. He really helped integrate our society, expanded our international relations, and really actually did a hell of a job. Unfortunate he went down the way he did.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 11:01:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/m4Di9kM.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 11:05:58 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 11:01:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/m4Di9kM.gif)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/12f164aa2c0ff5056ef282ddebc735fb/tumblr_mv2pmsPNoL1rnagj0o2_250.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2014, 11:12:12 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 10:47:38 AM

Nixon will go down as the most underrated president of all time. He really helped integrate our society, expanded our international relations, and really actually did a hell of a job. Unfortunate he went down the way he did.

This post is KILLING me, ya'll

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 11:15:42 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on October 28, 2014, 11:12:12 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 10:47:38 AM

Nixon will go down as the most underrated president of all time. He really helped integrate our society, expanded our international relations, and really actually did a hell of a job. Unfortunate he went down the way he did.

This post is KILLING me, ya'll

Feel free to refute it. But read this first so you don't sound so undereducated.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/general-article/nixon-domestic/


Like him or not he had a hand in desegregation, and often gets ripped for it. But his method did decrease violence

He empowered females...and often gets ripped for it.


Not the best guy in the world, but a better man then he gets credit for. History always shits on the shamed.

Quote

Nixon viewed the federal bureaucracy as a poor revenue manager. But instead of simply cutting taxes, as later Conservatives would, he proposed a new system called revenue sharing, which redirected funds to the state and municipal levels. The federal government would collect taxes and the local governments would spend the money.

Obama doing this, btw?

Quote

With the assistance of Urban Affairs Council secretary Daniel Patrick Moynihan, Nixon created the Family Assistance Plan. FAP called for the replacement of bureaucratically administered programs such as Aid to Families with Dependent Children, Food Stamps, and Medicaid, with direct cash payments to those in need. Not only single-parent families, but the working poor would qualify for aid. All recipients, save the mothers of preschool age children, would be required to work or take job training.

hmmm

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Nixon won reelection by a landslide in 1972. During his first term, Nixon succeeded in redirecting power away from the federal government. Some argue that his efforts benefited women and minorities, resulted in a cleaner environment and provided money and power for local initiatives. New Federalism, however, withered on the vine as Nixon fought in vain to preserve his presidency during the Watergate scandal.

Indeed



And note I didn't pick some blathering shit from a pro-nixon site, PBS is actually rather tough on him.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: AdmiralViscen on October 28, 2014, 11:17:25 AM

We should all fondly remember when Nixon's Great Society finally achieved victory over LBJ's nefarious Southern Strategy

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2014, 11:25:19 AM

:obama

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 11:27:38 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on October 28, 2014, 11:25:19 AM

:obama

Nice retort, you clearly are a politically savvy individual....

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2014, 11:35:17 AM

I was basically saying you made a point with your source.

In that smiley, Obama's face basically amounts to,"not bad, you made your point." Why am I explaining this?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 11:36:51 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on October 28, 2014, 11:35:17 AM

I was basically saying you made a point with your source.

In that smiley, Obama's face basically amounts to,"not bad, you made your point." Why am I explaining this?

Ah, sometimes I can't read the facial expressions well. Thanks.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 11:36:57 AM

Nixon is the most fascinating president to me. He definitely did some great things and was a brilliant guy in many ways but was ruined by his own inferiority complex and paranoia.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 11:37:54 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 11:36:57 AM

Nixon is the most fascinating president to me. He definitely did some great things and was a brilliant guy in many ways but was ruined by his own inferiority complex and paranoia.

I would never argue that point. He had some major control issues and also apparently was borderline abusive to his staff.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 11:47:00 AM

You'll dislike the political "slant" but Nixonland is a great novel. In a sense Nixon was somewhat like what conservatives believe Obama is: someone deeply resentful and downright hostile to the elite or upper class. But interestingly he also turned that resentment against blacks, repackaging many of the anti-black views that persist to this day.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 11:48:01 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 11:47:00 AM

You'll dislike the political "slant" but Nixonland is a great novel. In a sense Nixon was somewhat like what conservatives believe Obama is: someone deeply resentful and downright hostile to the elite or upper class. But interestingly he also turned that resentment against blacks, repackaging many of the anti-black views that persist to this day.

I stopped reading political books around the time I read one and they had me trying to believe that Lincoln was going to send all of us home with a gold coin.

Edit: here's a quasi-review

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/8319858/Abraham-Lincoln-wanted-to-deport-slaves-to-new-colonies.html

 :ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 11:51:20 AM

Nixon thought the Federal Reserve deliberately worked to prevent his election in 1960 because they're like bankers and you know...money lenders...you know...

The Good ol' Pink Sheet days: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_election_in_California,_1950

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 28, 2014, 11:56:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 11:36:57 AM

Nixon is the most fascinating president to me. He definitely did some great things and was a brilliant guy in many ways but was ruined by his own inferiority complex and paranoia.

He was extensively physically and psychologically abused as a child. I've been to the house where he grew up... there wasn't much room there to hide.

If y'all ever find yourself in OC--and god I don't know why you would now that Disney World exists--you should scope out his library, if only for how awkward the Watergate section is.

Last time I was there I almost blew my cover by being the only person to know how Alger Hiss got got. :whew

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 12:06:28 PM

But Lincoln did want to deport the slaves...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 12:10:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 12:06:28 PM

But Lincoln did want to deport the slaves...

 :goty2

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 12:11:35 PM

And as expected, it resulted in voter fraud as I linked on the last page.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 12:30:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 12:11:35 PM

And as expected, it resulted in voter fraud as I linked on the last page.

(http://abload.de/img/uh_meme_by_gumwolf-d5jkke9.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 12:41:11 PM

Nixon would almost be a liberal [in some ways] by today's GOP standards, but he also presided over and facilitated one of the most corrupt administrations in America history.

Well, except for Reagan.

And Bush Jr.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 12:42:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 12:41:11 PM

Nixon would almost be a liberal [in some ways] by today's GOP standards, but he also presided over and facilitated one of the most corrupt administrations in America history.

Well, except for Reagan.

And Bush Jr.

You must have forgot to type LBJ and Clinton.....

I mean Billy doing Billy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_controversy

And

Good old LBJ had limited intentions of stopping the war as his wifey's dad was highly involved in the logistics of war and all...

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w0u4W3IG7cY/UpZ7jipTHQI/AAAAAAAANs8/6CfDXEaBgTg/s1600/Rep-Albert-Thomas-and-LBJ.png)
But that ain't none of my business though. *wink

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 12:44:51 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 12:41:11 PM

Nixon would almost be a liberal [in some ways] by today's GOP standards, but he also presided over and facilitated one of the most corrupt administrations in America history.

Well, except for Reagan.

And Bush Jr.

In addition there is nobody here that was old enough to Live during Reagan or their parents that would say they are doing better now.

So put that cock in your mouth and suck it...

 :patel

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 12:52:54 PM

Define "doing better" or else.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 12:53:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 12:52:54 PM

Define "doing better" or else.

Look at housing for instance. The economy was better. And 80's action movies ruled dude :-)

also

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/blog_reagan_era_0.jpg)

Or else what?

This?

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mkiM67GPBaI/TqlSahJPU-I/AAAAAAAAB9o/vHggnCVSbcY/s400/Screen%2BShot%2B2011-10-27%2Bat%2B%2BThursday%252C%2BOctober%2B27%252C%2B8.44%2BAM.png)

oops

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_9dzd38gzp2Q/TF32810mYNI/AAAAAAAAAMs/O-_XJM6K0UI/s400/2+Recessions+Unempl.png)

And we're done here.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 12:56:24 PM

Actually the economy was pretty shitty during Reagan's first term, hence why some people draw parallels between it and Obama's first. The difference being we're now on the end turn of those 80s years - the people who entered the work force in the late 70s and 80s and leaving in masse.

Other difference being the economy was pretty great during Reagan's second term whereas it's still rather bleh now.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 12:56:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 12:56:24 PM

Actually the economy was pretty shitty during Reagan's first term, hence why some people draw parallels between it and Obama's first. The difference being we're now on the end turn of those 80s years - the people who entered the work force in the late 70s and 80s and leaving in masse.

Other difference being the economy was pretty great during Reagan's second term whereas it's still rather bleh now.

Yes clearly the beginning of the recession was worse under Reagan. But he recovered well.  In addition I do not believe they counted minimum wage jobs as equivalent to middle class wages but I could be in error here.

Dat Fed funds rate

 :lawd

Oil

 :rejoice

More?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterferrara/2011/05/05/reaganomics-vs-obamanomics-facts-and-figures/

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:02:42 PM

Setting 1981 as your index is pretty good.

Anyway, we're all on average vastly better off now than the 1980's or ever before.

For example, Wikipedia is almost infinitely superior to World Book unless you need to prop up a table or something.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:04:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:02:42 PM

Setting 1981 as your index is pretty good.

Anyway, we're all on average vastly better off now than the 1980's or ever before.

For example, Wikipedia is almost infinitely superior to World Book unless you need to prop up a table or something.

Better in tech? Sure

Better in anything else, let's review?

Job security: Reagan
Housing: LOL Reagan
Gas: Reagan
International Relations: reagan took down the USSR, obama once almost did some shit to ISIS
Free phones: Obama
Pizza for voting: Obama


Yeah, it's pretty close.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:12:02 PM

Better in every single form of wealth/capital/information. And that's with all the hurdles we've burdened ourselves with.

The USSR collapsed because Communism doesn't work because it suppresses information, (sorry Kara and Broseidon we can still smash the state together though!) especially when it's run by a bureaucracy that makes the U.S. Governments look nimble and flexible.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:16:05 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:12:02 PM

Better in every single form of wealth/capital/information. And that's with all the hurdles we've burdened ourselves with.

The USSR collapsed because Communism doesn't work because it suppresses information, (sorry Kara and Broseidon we can still smash the state together though!) especially when it's run by a bureaucracy that makes the U.S. Governments look nimble and flexible.

Where do you figure our housing collapse in there? Or the fact that we are losing 50k+ plus a year jobs and replacing them with part time employment?

"Take down this Wall"

That shit happened, I was there (watching TV as a young buck with dad, who had tears in his eyes).

Just saying, you can say what you want, but I was there, and poor, and we still had food on the table and enough money for clothes. And people were PROUD of this country rather than being some SJW's making us so goddamn PC we look like the Soviet Union.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:17:07 PM

During Reagan's recovery we spent like drunken sailors, though, whereas in Obama's recovery we gotten tighten our belts and cut the federal debt. :yeshrug

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:17:49 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:17:07 PM

During Reagan's recovery we spent like drunken sailors, though, whereas in Obama's recovery we gotten tighten our belts and cut the federal debt. :yeshrug

Yes he spent the money on the people. Your point?

Also no bullshit drawn out wars under Reagan's shift. I mean did we need to do Panama like we did? Hell no.

But the Iran crisis....handled like a fucking boss.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:21:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:17:49 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:17:07 PM

During Reagan's recovery we spent like drunken sailors, though, whereas in Obama's recovery we gotten tighten our belts and cut the federal debt. :yeshrug

Yes he spent the money on the people. Your point?

I mean, yeah, that's kind of my point. The government spent a ton of money during the 80's and that probably helped out quite a bit during the recovery. The 00's and 10's get lots of austerity cuts and sharply reduced taxes on the wealthy, though, and, well, you see where that's gotten us so far.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:23:27 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:21:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:17:49 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:17:07 PM

During Reagan's recovery we spent like drunken sailors, though, whereas in Obama's recovery we gotten tighten our belts and cut the federal debt. :yeshrug

Yes he spent the money on the people. Your point?

I mean, yeah, that's kind of my point. The government spent a ton of money during the 80's and that probably helped out quite a bit during the recovery. The 00's and 10's get lots of austerity cuts and sharply reduced taxes on the wealthy, though, and, well, you see where that's gotten us so far.

See I'm not for reducing taxes on the wealthy. Everyone should pay there share. That's where I differ from my party.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:24:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:16:05 PM

Where do you figure our housing collapse in there?

Basic bubble.

Quote

Or the fact that we are losing 50k+ plus a year jobs and replacing them with part time employment?

I'm sorry that the rest of the world has started to pull itself out of poverty.

Quote

"Take down this Wall"

That shit happened, I was there

Yes, Ronald Reagan gave one of many speeches. It's less commonly remembered as another one where he calls for the elimination of nuclear weapons.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:17:49 PM

But the Iran crisis....handled like a fucking boss.

Plus we got to go looking for chemical weapons again later.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 28, 2014, 01:25:22 PM

Lol Reagan stanning? I get why people aren't into your politics now

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:26:20 PM

Actually this is my favorite Reagan moment:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgSSRE27GQ0

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 01:26:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:23:27 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:21:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:17:49 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 01:17:07 PM

During Reagan's recovery we spent like drunken sailors, though, whereas in Obama's recovery we gotten tighten our belts and cut the federal debt. :yeshrug

Yes he spent the money on the people. Your point?

I mean, yeah, that's kind of my point. The government spent a ton of money during the 80's and that probably helped out quite a bit during the recovery. The 00's and 10's get lots of austerity cuts and sharply reduced taxes on the wealthy, though, and, well, you see where that's gotten us so far.

See I'm not for reducing taxes on the wealthy. Everyone should pay there share. That's where I differ from my party.

AiA still my nicca :lawd

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:26:57 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on October 28, 2014, 01:25:22 PM

Lol Reagan stanning? I get why people aren't into your politics now

Sincerely doubt you could argue it like Benji. Probably best for you to get back to football bro.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:28:19 PM

For the record here's what I am for versus our normal republican

Gay marriage? I lack a fuck to give about this
Taxes: Everyone pay your share
Religion: Pass

Just for the record.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 01:29:57 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:04:50 PM

International Relations: reagan took down the USSR

:dead breh...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 28, 2014, 01:30:02 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:26:57 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on October 28, 2014, 01:25:22 PM

Lol Reagan stanning? I get why people aren't into your politics now

Sincerely doubt you could argue it like Benji. Probably best for you to get back to football bro.

benji is best in his class, that's not a fair benchmark!  :'(

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:30:44 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on October 28, 2014, 01:30:02 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:26:57 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on October 28, 2014, 01:25:22 PM

Lol Reagan stanning? I get why people aren't into your politics now

Sincerely doubt you could argue it like Benji. Probably best for you to get back to football bro.

benji is best in his class, that's not a fair benchmark!  :'(

I like Benji. Good bro.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 01:31:07 PM

The free phones thing was started under Reagan, and expanded under Bush. :wag  This is what you get for getting your news from :drudge

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:31:59 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 01:29:57 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:04:50 PM

International Relations: reagan took down the USSR

:dead breh...

20 ish kid gonna tell the guy who was there what happened...breh

:dead


We outspent them militarily to the point where it broke their economy. Who spent that money breh?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:41:37 PM

The Soviets didn't even try to keep up, their economy was already broken long before. Reagan's bullshit was just like JFK's lying about the missile gap. Reason to hand wave away good budgeting and increase spending and debt with no gain. (And new toys to play with on other peoples property.)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:42:29 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:41:37 PM

The Soviets didn't even try to keep up, their economy was already broken long before. Reagan's bullshit was just like JFK's lying about the missile gap. Reason to hand wave away good budgeting and increase spending and debt with no gain. (And new toys to play with on other peoples property.)

The Cold War didn't matter then, this is what you're saying? Honestly?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_policy_of_the_Ronald_Reagan_administration

Quote

When Reagan visited Moscow, he was viewed as a celebrity by the Soviets. A journalist asked the president if he still considered the Soviet Union the evil empire. "No," he replied, "I was talking about another time, another era."[21]

Benji does not believe, but the soviets did.

:whew

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 01:50:54 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:31:59 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 01:29:57 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:04:50 PM

International Relations: reagan took down the USSR

:dead breh...

20 ish kid gonna tell the guy who was there what happened...breh

:dead


We outspent them militarily to the point where it broke their economy. Who spent that money breh?

point being, your argument gives way too much credit to a single policy from a single administration half way across the world. There had been nascent nationalist movements in virtually all of the eastern bloc states for centuries; the desire for statehood in imperially occupied territories like Poland, Lithuania, and Estonia were significantly contributing factors in the soviet union's imminent collapse. There's no doubt that pressure by the west was a catalyst in its fall, but limiting it to just that doesn't give any agency to the people who actually played a part within the actual borders of the Soviet Union.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:51:40 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 01:50:54 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:31:59 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 01:29:57 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:04:50 PM

International Relations: reagan took down the USSR

:dead breh...

20 ish kid gonna tell the guy who was there what happened...breh

:dead


We outspent them militarily to the point where it broke their economy. Who spent that money breh?

point being, your argument gives way too much credit to a single policy from a single administration half way across the world. There had been nascent nationalist movements in virtually all of the eastern bloc states for centuries; the desire for statehood in imperially occupied territories like Poland, Lithuania, and Estonia were significantly contributing factors in the soviet union's imminent collapse. There's no doubt that pressure byon the westpeople was athe catalyst in its fall, but limiting it to just that doesn't give any agency to the people who actually played a part within the actual borders of the Soviet Union.

Ahem

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In her eulogy to Ronald Reagan at his funeral, former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, whom Reagan worked very closely with during his tenure in office, said, "Others hoped, at best, for an uneasy cohabitation with the Soviet Union; he won the Cold War — not only without firing a shot, but also by inviting enemies out of their fortress and turning them into friends.... Yes, he did not shrink from denouncing Moscow's 'evil empire.' But he realized that a man of goodwill might nonetheless emerge from within its dark corridors. So the President resisted Soviet expansion and pressed down on Soviet weakness at every point until the day came when communism began to collapse beneath the combined weight of these pressures and its own failures. And when a man of goodwill did emerge from the ruins, President Reagan stepped forward to shake his hand and to offer sincere cooperation."

I'll take her word for it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 01:54:04 PM

What a bunch of horseshit.

Everyone knows Rocky ended Communism.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:54:20 PM

Got another one of those voter report cards today, shame they only went back two general elections since there were two more skipped before that:
(http://i.imgur.com/0iTel7e.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vAI8KPC.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:55:00 PM

 :neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2014, 01:55:18 PM

I also can't cosign Nixon due to the war on drugs. He helped desegregate but he also played a huge part in destroying our communities.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:56:22 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on October 28, 2014, 01:55:18 PM

I also can't cosign Nixon due to the war on drugs. He helped desegregate but he also played a huge part in destroying our communities.

I'm iffy on it, because I do believe every good thing he did during that time caused a bad thing.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 01:57:35 PM

On the real though, I think that the "Reagan ended communism" narrative is emblematic of a larger, generalized need for conservatives to have simple explanations for complex shit. "Reagan outspent them and told him to 'tear down that wall!' That's gotta be it!"

Life is complicated, there's a lot of shit that contributed to the downfall of the USSR.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:58:23 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 01:57:35 PM

On the real though, I think that the "Reagan ended communism" narrative is emblematic of a larger, generalized need for conservatives to have simple explanations for complex shit. "Reagan outspent them and told him to 'tear down that wall!' That's gotta be it!"

Life is complicated, there's a lot of shit that contributed to the downfall of the USSR.

I understand this. But he was the focus and the face, to say he wasn't is absurd. And the grace he showed to Russia after the collapse will never be repeated. First one to pick them up when they fell.

And I would counter it's very Liberal to deny any grace towards a conservative regardless if he made your life better or not. Get over that shit bro. I have no issues supporting Clinton on things he did well.


LBJ though  :comeon

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 02:00:26 PM

Though at least these guys are apparently helping pay for it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3mw49mk_x0

EDIT: lol just noticed they misspelled Washington at the end of the video

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 02:01:25 PM

Alright, ignoring the ostensible partisanship of that snip, I'll take the word of scholarly literature on the subject.

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[ The idea that someone like Reagan or Thatcher had something to do with the wall coming down is pretty laughable. You probably had just as much to do with the fall of the wall and the subsequent fall of communism, Nomadfire. In fact, the only book I can think of that really tries to give serious, academic credence to the Reagan theory is written by Paul Kengor. So, take that as you will. There are several big contributors, though: the first, if you believe Alexei Yurchak, is the transistor radio, which allowed every day Soviet citizens to pick up radio signals coming from the West (in Everything Was Forever, there's an excellent section about people actually learning jazz by listening to one of the BBC broadcasters). Then there's the fact that glastnost' allowed people further glimpses into the West by loosening the controls on what could and could not be watched on television. All of a sudden, people were seeing shows on TV where American families had houses with five or six rooms and two or three cars a piece. It really accentuated the lie they'd been told about communism being more prosperous than capitalism. Each satellite can find its own reason. Poland, for example. had Solidarity. Yes, Jaruzelski declares martial law, but that doesn't end Solidarity. Shana Penn has an... uh, acceptable book called Solidarity's Secret, in which she examines the women that kept Solidarity and its newspapers going during martial law. Then again, if you trust someone like Konstantin Pleshakov more, he suggests in There is no Freedom Without Bread that the Pope was a prime mover in the destruction of communism within Poland. The end of communism in the satellites is like a choose your own adventure story. There is no shortage of "reasons." Stephen Kotkin's Armageddon Averted covers the end of the Soviet Union really well; he suggests that it wasn't even necessarily Gorbachev, either, but that a lot of it had to do with economics. If the oil crisis hadn't happened in the late 1970s, the Soviet Union might have become fiscally insolvent, and now the debate would rage about how much credit to give Jimmy Carter for defeating communism. Jimmy Carter! Imagine!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:02:33 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 02:01:25 PM

Alright, ignoring the ostensible partisanship of that snip, I'll take the word of scholarly literature on the subject.

Quote

[ The idea that someone like Reagan or Thatcher had something to do with the wall coming down is pretty laughable. You probably had just as much to do with the fall of the wall and the subsequent fall of communism, Nomadfire. In fact, the only book I can think of that really tries to give serious, academic credence to the Reagan theory is written by Paul Kengor. So, take that as you will. There are several big contributors, though: the first, if you believe Alexei Yurchak, is the transistor radio, which allowed every day Soviet citizens to pick up radio signals coming from the West (in Everything Was Forever, there's an excellent section about people actually learning jazz by listening to one of the BBC broadcasters). Then there's the fact that glastnost' allowed people further glimpses into the West by loosening the controls on what could and could not be watched on television. All of a sudden, people were seeing shows on TV where American families had houses with five or six rooms and two or three cars a piece. It really accentuated the lie they'd been told about communism being more prosperous than capitalism. Each satellite can find its own reason. Poland, for example. had Solidarity. Yes, Jaruzelski declares martial law, but that doesn't end Solidarity. Shana Penn has an... uh, acceptable book called Solidarity's Secret, in which she examines the women that kept Solidarity and its newspapers going during martial law. Then again, if you trust someone like Konstantin Pleshakov more, he suggests in There is no Freedom Without Bread that the Pope was a prime mover in the destruction of communism within Poland. The end of communism in the satellites is like a choose your own adventure story. There is no shortage of "reasons." Stephen Kotkin's Armageddon Averted covers the end of the Soviet Union really well; he suggests that it wasn't even necessarily Gorbachev, either, but that a lot of it had to do with economics. If the oil crisis hadn't happened in the late 1970s, the Soviet Union might have become fiscally insolvent, and now the debate would rage about how much credit to give Jimmy Carter for defeating communism. Jimmy Carter! Imagine!

Clearly the person who wrote this had no political affiliation, nope, clearly pure as the driven snow this guy.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:03:28 PM

Giving Ronald Reagan credit for the fall of the Soviet union is akin to giving Ronald McDonald credit for the delicious McFlurry imo. Reagan's best talents were as a spokesman, I'm not gonna deny that. But as far as a concrete policy developer? Nope, not buying it. He had some smart people working for him, but also a bunch of dumb ones and some absolutely criminal ones.

But be honest- how would you feel if, say for example, people in Obummer's administration sold weapons to Iran to fund Venezuelan rebels or some shit? Prooooooobably call him an incompetent, out of touch sad excuse for a "leader" at best, and more likely howl for his impeachment.

:heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 02:03:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xiKqowqbOk

Lots of fun stuff about raygun.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:04:16 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:03:28 PM

Giving Ronald Reagan credit for the fall of the Soviet union is akin to giving Ronald McDonald credit for the delicious McFlurry imo. Reagan's best talents were as a spokesman, I'm not gonna deny that. But as far as a concrete policy developer? Nope, not buying it. He had some smart people working for him, but also a bunch of dumb ones and some absolutely criminal ones.

But be honest- how would you feel if, say for example, people in Obummer's administration sold weapons to Iran to fund Venezuelan rebels or some shit? Prooooooobably call him an incompetent, out of touch sad excuse for a "leader" at best, and more likely howl for his impeachment.

:heh

He's selling weapons to a lot of countries bro. Every president does.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:06:00 PM

Let me rephrase that- selling weapons to a country that Congress explicitly told him NOT TO to fund a group of rebels Congress explicitly told him NOT TO.

Also, don't say anything bad about Israel!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:06:10 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 02:03:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xiKqowqbOk

Lots of fun stuff about raygun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZ1OgJnE7w

Better stuff about you.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:07:00 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:06:00 PM

Let me rephrase that- selling weapons to a country that Congress explicitly told him NOT TO to fund a group of rebels Congress explicitly told him NOT TO.

Also, don't say anything bad about Israel!

Oh yeah he did that. No doubt. He wasn't Jesus bro. I think you guys think I have a Reagan poster above my bed. I simply give credit where credit is due.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:09:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:06:00 PM

Let me rephrase that- selling weapons to a country that Congress explicitly told him NOT TO to fund a group of rebels Congress explicitly told him NOT TO.

Also, don't say anything bad about Israel!

Dude I'm a conservative,

I  :heartbeat Israel

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 28, 2014, 02:09:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:04:16 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:03:28 PM

Giving Ronald Reagan credit for the fall of the Soviet union is akin to giving Ronald McDonald credit for the delicious McFlurry imo. Reagan's best talents were as a spokesman, I'm not gonna deny that. But as far as a concrete policy developer? Nope, not buying it. He had some smart people working for him, but also a bunch of dumb ones and some absolutely criminal ones.

But be honest- how would you feel if, say for example, people in Obummer's administration sold weapons to Iran to fund Venezuelan rebels or some shit? Prooooooobably call him an incompetent, out of touch sad excuse for a "leader" at best, and more likely howl for his impeachment.

:heh

He's selling weapons to a lot of countries bro. Every president does.

:neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2014, 02:10:36 PM

[qquote
Clearly the person who wrote this had no political affiliation, nope, clearly pure as the driven snow this guy.
[/quote]you're right, that can't be ignored. The salient point here is that very little academic literature lends credence to thethe Reagan killied communism theory because attributingI one factor in a system with countless moving parts is disingenuous and reductive.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:11:51 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on October 28, 2014, 02:09:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:04:16 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:03:28 PM

Giving Ronald Reagan credit for the fall of the Soviet union is akin to giving Ronald McDonald credit for the delicious McFlurry imo. Reagan's best talents were as a spokesman, I'm not gonna deny that. But as far as a concrete policy developer? Nope, not buying it. He had some smart people working for him, but also a bunch of dumb ones and some absolutely criminal ones.

But be honest- how would you feel if, say for example, people in Obummer's administration sold weapons to Iran to fund Venezuelan rebels or some shit? Prooooooobably call him an incompetent, out of touch sad excuse for a "leader" at best, and more likely howl for his impeachment.

:heh

He's selling weapons to a lot of countries bro. Every president does.

:neogaf

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/critics-slam-obama-administration-hiding-massive-saudi-arms/story?id=12192558

 :goty2

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2014, 02:13:26 PM

Fuck Reagan.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 02:13:34 PM

The Red Army was astonished at the living standards of 1930-40's Eastern Europe when they were raping and pillaging it, the Kitchen Debate was in the 1950's, by the 1970's the Soviet elite themselves were admitting shit was all fucked up and Brezhnev was senile. That's around the time they didn't make any toothbrushes in the entire Union because somebody forgot to put it in the Plan. The Soviet economy had already fully collapsed by the late 1970's. They were being shown up in total consumer goods by lesser Warsaw Bloc nations ffs. The numbers for production were made up and nobody knew the truth about anything in the entire nation, worse than under Stalin because Stalin would kill you when he found out, Brezhnev would give himself another medal. Skimming off the top was even more prevalent without the..."enforcement" mechanisms the Soviets had previous.

One of Reagan's favorite jokes: "they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work."

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:15:06 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on October 28, 2014, 02:09:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:04:16 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:03:28 PM

Giving Ronald Reagan credit for the fall of the Soviet union is akin to giving Ronald McDonald credit for the delicious McFlurry imo. Reagan's best talents were as a spokesman, I'm not gonna deny that. But as far as a concrete policy developer? Nope, not buying it. He had some smart people working for him, but also a bunch of dumb ones and some absolutely criminal ones.

But be honest- how would you feel if, say for example, people in Obummer's administration sold weapons to Iran to fund Venezuelan rebels or some shit? Prooooooobably call him an incompetent, out of touch sad excuse for a "leader" at best, and more likely howl for his impeachment.

:heh

He's selling weapons to a lot of countries bro. Every president does.

:neogaf

Valid for you too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeZ1OgJnE7w

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 02:22:53 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:03:28 PM

Reagan's best talents were as a spokesman, I'm not gonna deny that. But as far as a concrete policy developer? Nope, not buying it. He had some smart people working for him, but also a bunch of dumb ones and some absolutely criminal ones.

Howard Baker and Colin Powell among other "more senior/serious advisers" told Reagan to take "tear down this wall" out of the speech because it was "unpresidential" and could only upset the delicate realpolitik of Soviet relations. He overruled them because it was "the best line in the speech."

In some regards Reagan really was the best modern President considering how much of it (for the singular individual who is President) is show.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on October 28, 2014, 02:37:55 PM

adam corolla's career trajectory  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 02:50:33 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:06:10 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 02:03:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xiKqowqbOk

Lots of fun stuff about raygun.

Better stuff about you.

:umad

It's ok bud, I'd be mad if I was a con too.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:51:29 PM

Didn't watch. I like Carlin so I'm gonna leave it that way.

 :hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 02:52:36 PM

Quote from: sarslip on October 28, 2014, 02:37:55 PM

adam corolla's career trajectory  :kobeyuck

But...Catch A Contractor...

(And his earlier remodeling type shows. Wish CAC would show more of that plus the damage and less blatantly shifty looking guys going "well, um, I was gonna come back but I got Ebola" or whatever.)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on October 28, 2014, 02:53:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:51:29 PM

Didn't watch. I like Carlin so I'm gonna leave it that way.

(http://coldheartedcryssy.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/headphones-gif.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 03:03:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:51:29 PM

Didn't watch. I like Carlin so I'm gonna leave it that way.

 :hitler

Based on where you say you disagree with the GOP, I think you'd be fine with most of it. It's pretty basic Carlin First Amendment stuff, holding criminals responsible, hypocrisy, etc.

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Cristóbal Colón7 months ago
 
Poor George Carlin, once a funny man, then turned into a GOD HATING Atheist, that spent his later years attacking anything and everything attached to God. Nice he never talked about the dozens of political death associated with LBJ or Billy Bob Clinton. No, he was purely after attacking anyone or anything that had perceived ties to God. Oh and a liar as well, only a handful of Teamster Locals supported Bush. He may have been comic genius in the 1970's and early 80's, but once you go political and anti-God you eliminate at least 80 percent of your audience. BIH Georgie.  FYI - Hinkley is NOT a free man, he is allowed to leave to visit his mom.

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Hacim Llih via Google+2 months ago
 
#HilariousTRUTH
"This country was founded by #SLAVEowners who wanted TO BE FREE!?" USA's 'Sir' #GeorgeCarlin (Too eerily apropos for my #PROUDCherokee, #NativeREALAmericans #GreatForefathersMyASS rants! #JustSayin ;]])

#TRUTHbeTOLD #gopFAILEDagenda #TeaBaggers #FACTSonlyPLEASE #FIREtheGOP #ReligionPOISONSeverything #godISimaginary

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 28, 2014, 03:12:44 PM

Geography can skew perceptions. In the Rust Belt, the early 80's were the death knell for many cities - communities.  Whereas in 2008, property values weren't inflated enough to really have such a dramatic effect on consumer spending, although joblessness was bad, it was nowhere near the mass layoffs and plant closings that happened in the early 80's.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/21/business/economy/21leonhardt.html?_r=0


<That link wasn't to prove that it was worse (overall), but just to reconfirm how bad it was in the Rust Belt in the early 80's.>

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:13:05 PM

Well written.


I am in favor of trickle down economics.

 :obama

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:18:43 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 28, 2014, 03:17:39 PM

Begich suddenly up, while Nunn is suddenly tied. I can't take this shit.

I wouldn't even mind a GOP majority if anyone but McConnell could be the majority leader.

Could not agree more. We are fumble-fucking most of our economic necessities right now so poorly it's akin to a 6 year old trying to balance a cheque-book. We definitely need a new path.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 03:24:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 28, 2014, 03:15:11 PM

We should totally, absolutely, right now cut the corporate tax rate. Like in half. Shit is so distorting it's not even funny.

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:24:22 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 28, 2014, 03:15:11 PM

We should totally, absolutely, right now cut the corporate tax rate. Like in half. Shit is so distorting it's not even funny.

To simplify. We simple do not make it easy to run a business in this country. Even other day I get a call from some regional tax agency, or the IRS, or some various other sales tax/inventory tax/tax tax  etc arm of the government trying to extort me for money.

Punish those who produce jobs, brehs

 :ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:25:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 03:24:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 28, 2014, 03:15:11 PM

We should totally, absolutely, right now cut the corporate tax rate. Like in half. Shit is so distorting it's not even funny.

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

Oh I dunno, perhaps get some people hired back in at wages that can sustain a family and get them off the walmart night shift? Maybe?

Basically all the states are doing now is causing major companies to ping pong across the region trying to lock in tax cuts.

In Ohio alone I can think of quite a few companies that have moved or will move HQ's

Eaton
American Greetings
Graftech
Forest City
University Hospitals moving all non-medical employees to Euclid this year

etc.


Its gotta stop bro.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on October 28, 2014, 03:26:51 PM

nah we just need to tax corporations on their overseas earnings.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 28, 2014, 03:27:43 PM

Or maybe just a bigger bonus for the CEO, but who knows, how could we possibly predict what corporations would do with more money? :smug

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:28:25 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on October 28, 2014, 03:27:43 PM

Or maybe just a bigger bonus for the CEO, but who knows, how could we possibly predict what corporations would do with more money? :smug

Yes let's punish those with more success and more stake in the company instead of rewarding them, great idea.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 03:29:45 PM

93% of income growth since 2010 is already going to the top 1%, I don't think throwing them a few extra dollars in the form of tax cuts would induce them to hire any more people than they already are.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:31:24 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 03:29:45 PM

93% of income growth since 2010 is already going to the top 1%, I don't think throwing them a few extra dollars in the form of tax cuts would induce them to hire any more people than they already are.

You would be wrong. More people is more revenue.

Trust me I work/drink/gold with these guys often. They would love to hire back to pre-recession levels but can't because the current administration is indifferent to their pleas.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 03:31:25 PM

The correction wasn't disappeared just because the government (literally) papered over as much of it as they could.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 03:24:10 PM

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

Corporations don't pay taxes anyway, it's all passed on to workers, suppliers, customers, etc.

Our corporate tax code exists mainly for its loopholes.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on October 28, 2014, 03:31:55 PM

"punishing success" arguments  :clap

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 03:32:20 PM

I think AIA forgot his previous response by the time he posted his last one.  That took like 30 seconds.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:33:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 03:31:25 PM

The correction wasn't disappeared just because the government (literally) papered over as much of it as they could.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 03:24:10 PM

And this would accomplish what exactly, given that corporations currently pay less than the rate anyway?

Corporations don't pay taxes anyway, it's all passed on to workers, suppliers, customers, etc.

Our corporate tax code exists mainly for its loopholes.

So let's close them all down and produce nothing. We can be the next France. Awesome.

Brehs thinking they are owed something from major business or even better will wave at them when they pull what Eaton did and move their functional HQ overseas.

 :goty2

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 03:36:41 PM

We are, no more on-disc DLC.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:37:24 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 03:36:41 PM

We are, no more on-disc DLC.

That, sir, we can agree upon.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 03:37:55 PM

There's no stopping AIA's train of thought now, even if his arguments aren't even consistent on the same page

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:39:00 PM

This is bad any way you slice it. A fortune 500 company moving it's HQ to Ireland to avoid 160 million in taxes?

There is no WAY anyone can say this is ideal for the american worker.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-21/eaton-expects-160-million-tax-savings-from-ireland-move.html

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:39:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 03:37:55 PM

There's no stopping AIA's train of thought now, even if his arguments aren't even consistent on the same page

Where am I not consistent?

Reduce Tax on corporations
Reward success
Keep corporations from leaving the US
Less taxes will equal more jobs and an actual reduction in supplier and end user costs.

Learn to read.  Also EBITA is a pain in my ass. That is all.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 03:43:34 PM

You said corporations don't owe people shit, and gains should go the folks at the top, all while arguing that gains will lead to the people getting more.  Trickle down brehs :dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:44:56 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 03:43:34 PM

You said corporations don't owe people shit, and gains should go the folks at the top, all while arguing that gains will lead to the people getting more.  Trickle down brehs :dead

All of this is correct.

I'll send you a speak'n'spell for christmas. But you're paying the taxes on it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 03:49:17 PM

Eliminate the corporate tax, eliminate the worldwide taxing, ditch the capital gains tax and instead redefine income properly instead of carving it out into all these special forms. Explore a negative income tax/guaranteed minimum income system. Then allow people to select the old tax code or the new one.

Then eliminate the state because taxation is theft.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 03:50:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 03:31:24 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2014, 03:29:45 PM

93% of income growth since 2010 is already going to the top 1%, I don't think throwing them a few extra dollars in the form of tax cuts would induce them to hire any more people than they already are.

You would be wrong. More people is more revenue.

Trust me I work/drink/gold with these guys often. They would love to hire back to pre-recession levels but can't because the current administration is indifferent to their pleas.

I've been around enough of the very same people to know they're full of bullshit more often than not. Their corporate taxes haven't increased under Obama, health costs might have increased (although as you see with Wal Mart, the future=dumping workers into Medicaid or private plans to save money). They're sitting on a trillion plus.

How many jobs were created by Bush's tax cuts again? Oh yea.

Meanwhile consumer confidence is at its highest since 2007.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 03:59:09 PM

Quote

In the fourth quarter of 2008, which immediately followed the 2008 financial crisis, economic activity fell sharply. BEA’s initial, or “advance” estimate of GDP for the quarter, which was released on January 30, 2009, showed a decrease of 3.8 percent at an annual rate. In the second estimate, which was released on February 27, 2009, the revised estimate showed a decrease of 6.2 percent. Since then, the estimate has been revised several more times (in March 2009, July 2009, July 2010, and July 2011), and the latest estimate shows a decrease of 8.9 percent. - See more at: http://www.bea.gov/faq/index.cfm?faq_id=1003#sthash.wPHv01dh.dpuf

I remember it was the Monday after xmas in 2008. 12/29/08. I was leaving my in laws who live about 1,500 feet from a major highway so there is always noise. I'm loading my kids into the car and I notice something, it's dead quiet. It's probably 8pm. I point this out to my father in law. We can hear an occasional car pass, but there were no big rigs hauling goods. Didn't see one the whole way home either.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 04:02:19 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 03:59:09 PM

Quote

In the fourth quarter of 2008, which immediately followed the 2008 financial crisis, economic activity fell sharply. BEA’s initial, or “advance” estimate of GDP for the quarter, which was released on January 30, 2009, showed a decrease of 3.8 percent at an annual rate. In the second estimate, which was released on February 27, 2009, the revised estimate showed a decrease of 6.2 percent. Since then, the estimate has been revised several more times (in March 2009, July 2009, July 2010, and July 2011), and the latest estimate shows a decrease of 8.9 percent. - See more at: http://www.bea.gov/faq/index.cfm?faq_id=1003#sthash.wPHv01dh.dpuf

I remember it was the Monday after xmas in 2008. 12/29/08. I was leaving my in laws who live about 1,500 feet from a major highway so there is always noise. I'm loading my kids into the car and I notice something, it's dead quiet. It's probably 8pm. I point this out to my father in law. We can hear an occasional car pass, but there were no big rigs hauling goods. Didn't see one the whole way home either.

those were the good days compared to what Obummer did to the economy.

oh wait :heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 04:06:01 PM

Hey, anybody want to talk about polls?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 04:06:29 PM

Oh lord, those were some fun months.  My wife had been doing mostly engineering work for cities and counties that had been expanding during he boom.  Luckily the owners of her firm took pay cuts and tightened everything up instead of doing layoffs and emerged with the same level of talent, extremely high morale and very little reinvestment that had to be done and they recovered quicker than most.  Basically what the Socialist Germans have done, and what we should have done, except for people like AIA :(

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 04:06:31 PM

Punish the nation for voting in a dem prez, brehs.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 04:10:19 PM

Can you imagine how asinine life would be if Romney was president with a 5.9 unemployment rate now? We wouldn't be hearing a peep about participation rates or low wage jobs. It would be nonstop USA USA ROMNEY REAGAN REDUX.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 04:15:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0GB6lKH0pw

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2014, 04:17:16 PM

so AIA are you a black republican

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 04:19:10 PM

If the fake Steven Spielberg's hat had said "Senor Spielbergo" all would've been forgiven.  As is McConnell is still one America's worst people.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 28, 2014, 04:21:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 02:09:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2014, 02:06:00 PM

Let me rephrase that- selling weapons to a country that Congress explicitly told him NOT TO to fund a group of rebels Congress explicitly told him NOT TO.

Also, don't say anything bad about Israel!

Dude I'm a conservative,

I  :heartbeat Israel

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2014/10/the-crisis-in-us-israel-relations-is-officially-here/382031/

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“The good thing about Netanyahu is that he’s scared to launch wars,” the official said, expanding the definition of what a chickenshit Israeli prime minister looks like. “The bad thing about him is that he won’t do anything to reach an accommodation with the Palestinians or with the Sunni Arab states. The only thing he’s interested in is protecting himself from political defeat. He’s not [Yitzhak] Rabin, he’s not [Ariel] Sharon, he’s certainly no [Menachem] Begin. He’s got no guts.”

Is that antisemitism? :mjew

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 04:27:26 PM

 :rofl

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2014, 04:28:56 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 28, 2014, 04:25:51 PM

AIA making me look forward to the libertarians replacing republicans one day :goty

We could get JayDubya in here to change your mind real quick.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 28, 2014, 05:39:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:12:02 PM

The USSR collapsed because Communism doesn't work because it suppresses information, (sorry Kara and Broseidon we can still smash the state together though!) especially when it's run by a bureaucracy that makes the U.S. Governments look nimble and flexible.

As a long-time fan of your GAF posting you're not going to bait me, benji. :comeon

I am however reporting you to Bob Avakian. How's that for suppression of information? :hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2014, 11:16:20 PM

@AiA
https://twitter.com/jessieopie/status/527251176656756736

(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 29, 2014, 09:41:00 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ReWlrKy.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2014, 12:00:44 PM

Quote from: Vularai on October 28, 2014, 05:39:42 PM

As a long-time fan of your GAF posting you're not going to bait me, benji. :comeon

I am however reporting you to Bob Avakian. How's that for suppression of information? :hitler

It didn't work because they didn't have BA's new vision of synthesis.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2014, 12:27:41 PM

I like the "GET INTO BA!"

We need BA emoticons.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2014, 12:42:43 PM

http://www.chriscrook.io/2014/10/21/the-tale-of-frank-m-conaway-jr-author/

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Frank M. Conaway, Jr. is a current lawmaker in the Maryland House of Delegates, automatically starting a new term since there is no challenger for the November election.  Mr. Conaway is the son of former Delegate Frank Conaway, Sr.  He made it through the Democratic primary earlier this year despite not doing any apparent campaigning.  While only an anecdote, there were no campaign signs visible at any polling places I visited or drove past leading up the primary.  Who needs contributions to spend on advertising when you have dynastic name recognition thanks to your dad?

I recently had the displeasure of coming across Frank M. Conaway, Jr.’s literary works which he has apparently been writing for the last 13 years and as recently as earlier this summer.  Thanks to Adam Meister for the first introduction to them.  They appear to include the following titles available on Amazon (source of the publishing dates) or through his new website:

Baptist Gnostic Christian Eubonic Kundalinion Spiritual Ki Do Hermeneutic Metaphysics: The Word: Hermeneutics (2001)

THE 20 PENNIES A DAY DIET PLAN (2012)

Trapezium Giza Pyramid Artificial Black Hole Theory (2013)

Christian Kundalini Science- Proof of the Soul- Cryptogram Solution of Egyptian Stela 55001- & Opening the Hood of Ra (2014)

Mr. Conaway’s House of Delegates biography page lists him as an “Author”, while claiming no authorship to any specific works, so presumably this is the same Frank M. Conaway, Jr.  In the course of researching this post, I have confirmed this assumption thanks to his consistent misspellings, and also uncovered approximately 54 videos / rambling rants posted in the last month on YouTube under user account 314meta.  They are clearly the Frank M. Conaway Jr. in question.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2014, 01:02:26 PM

Got another VOTER REPORT CARD today, this one shows the years I did and didn't vote instead of a generic rating.  :dead

"Your friends and neighbors are counting on you to do your civic duty by voting."

Duty? DUTY?!? Fuck off, slaver.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 29, 2014, 01:23:51 PM

hermeneutics :lawd


top 10 words I pull out to wax intllectual

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on October 29, 2014, 03:03:20 PM

Throw the bums out!  It'll totally be different this time!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on October 29, 2014, 03:06:06 PM

I kinda don't wanna vote next tuesday. Nothing juicy on my ballot besides some shitbird congressional race.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 29, 2014, 03:55:49 PM

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/aug/06/lynn-jenkins/rep-lynn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 29, 2014, 04:05:20 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 29, 2014, 01:27:51 PM

The WSJ is going all in on "vote out the Dems!" right now. Pretty amazing to see how few fucks they give about trying to appear nonpartisan at this point.

WSJ has also been going all in on tort "reform" and getting rid of class action lawsuits, as well.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on October 29, 2014, 04:06:50 PM

WSJ going hard on right leaning politics?  I'm shocked.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on October 29, 2014, 05:34:40 PM

Quote from: kingkitty on October 29, 2014, 03:06:06 PM

I kinda don't wanna vote next tuesday. Nothing juicy on my ballot besides some shitbird congressional race.

sheeit i gotta support

our governor decriminalized pot (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass1.png)



and allowed for sunday liquor sales (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sass2.png)




republicans  :neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 29, 2014, 06:37:27 PM

I live in mass so voting on Tuesday is about the ballot measures more than anything else really.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2014, 06:46:20 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on October 29, 2014, 06:37:27 PM

I live in mass so voting on Tuesday is about the ballot measures more than anything else really.

Nah, y'all fixin to elect a Republican govnah cause Coakley is apparently THAT SHITTY

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2014, 06:52:24 PM

daily kos has some article up claiming it's all now Croakley's fault, insinuating some misogyny etc. She sucks, the end. How the person who lost the super majority for democrats in fucking MASSACHUSETTS got a shot at running for governor is baffling to me.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 29, 2014, 07:06:49 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 29, 2014, 12:02:58 PM

I love that this site is talking about Bob Avakian so much :dead

I need a better Bob Avakian avatar.

Synthesis.

The BA avatar paired with PD's historic L from youth kills me every time I see it. :dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I love it too because I can't really float around on the far-left as much as I'd like to anymore and BA is a mainstay of far-left humor because even the far-left realizes he's out to lunch.

[close]

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on October 30, 2014, 03:00:24 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2014, 06:46:20 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on October 29, 2014, 06:37:27 PM

I live in mass so voting on Tuesday is about the ballot measures more than anything else really.

Nah, y'all fixin to elect a Republican govnah cause Coakley is apparently THAT SHITTY

Ew, gross. We let Romney be a our governor for a bit for some reason so it could happen again I guess.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2014, 04:39:18 AM

Couldn't help but notice Orbital Sciences Corporation had a rocket blow up. Grats on not even being able to launch 5 rockets without one blowing up, private sector. :heh

Soyuz still GOAT. You shouldn't have rushed to stop eating humble pie, NASA. :teehee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2014, 08:16:55 AM

That insurance largess.  :lawd

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 11:43:27 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/joe-biden-2016-elections-112328.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/joe-biden-2016-elections-112328.html)

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DAVENPORT, Iowa — Hillary Clinton came here Wednesday to sharpen her stump speech and, while she was at it, campaign for Bruce Braley for Senate.

Joe Biden came Monday to shake hands, pose for photos, wallop Republicans and try to convince the 150 people in an executive suite at the city’s minor league ballpark that Braley’s race is more important than either of the ones that put him and President Barack Obama in office.

...

“I look out on that field, and first thing I think is, ‘Coach, put me in, man, I’m ready to play,’” Biden said.

Most of the time, it’s not so hard to tell what Biden’s thinking — he’s just said it. But even his inner circle doesn’t seem to know where his head is on 2016 — whether he is actually going to get in the game or stay on the sidelines, dreaming of his glory days.

Throughout the midterms, he has been helping out candidates all over the country. It’s not clear to anyone, though, that there’s been the kind of strategy to help himself he’d need if he were serious about a White House run.

“You know the idea’s rattling around there, but I think that’s as far as we can speculate at this point,” said Larry Rasky, communications director for Biden’s two previous presidential runs and still an adviser and friend.

...

People who’ve been talking to Biden say the factor weighing on his mind may be less Clinton than Obama. Even as a sitting vice president, Biden might not be too proud to run a long-shot campaign, they insist. He was living it up during those months in 2007 when he was lucky to get a dozen people in a room and finished with a grand total of 1 percent in the Iowa caucuses.

...

Anyway, some around Biden say, maybe he’d be a better fit to be Clinton’s secretary of state.

...

A presidential campaign platform seems easy to imagine to Biden fans: He has been a middle- and working-class warrior for decades, and he has years of experience dealing with foreign policy and building relationships. He’s a hero to the LGBT community for pushing ahead of the president on gay marriage. He’s been around Washington forever, and while critics and Washington politicos say his gaffe-tastic speeches have given him the image of a political buffoon, Biden fans believe they make him seem outside-the-Beltway authentic.

“Average Americans would like more of that, not less of that. I think they’re tired of this calculating, intellectualized, very scripted politics,” said Mark Gitenstein, a former aide who recently returned from a tour as ambassador to Romania and remains in touch with the vice president. “Biden says what he thinks, and I think we ought to see more of it.”

“The world is a very scary place to a lot of people, and a wise old fatherly figure would say to people, ‘This guy gets it,’” Rasky said.

As in Iowa, Biden’s been eagerly sought for midterm campaigns in places Obama, with his low approval ratings, can’t go near. With a little less prestige and fewer motorcade cordons than when the president comes to town, and a lot less scrutiny and blowback, Biden’s been talking student loans, health care, Social Security, the wage gap, budget cuts that cost cops on the street — all the things Democrats want people to be thinking about on Election Day.

...

Later that day at a Rockford, Illinois, union hall rally for Gov. Pat Quinn, he went after multimillionaire Republican nominee Bruce Rauner.

“You’d think he’d be embarrassed,” Biden said. “My God, how can you have that much money and say we should have no minimum wage?”

A number of Democratic operatives involved in this year’s races wish they’d heard more of that. They blame Biden’s indecision for not being as active and effective a midterm weapon as they’d wanted, not stumping more and planning more carefully the stops he has made. With the presidential talk in their minds, they see a politician who’s anxious about putting himself in a position where he might look like he’s running for president, and anxious, too, about not doing enough.

“He should be owning and selling the fact that he’s a useful surrogate,” said a Democratic strategist involved in this year’s races.

...

“Everyone makes too much of the preparation,” said Ted Kaufman, a former Biden aide and temporary U.S. senator from Delaware.

In the group that’s starting to get anxious, though, are people like Biden superfan Sharon Holle, a retired nurse who was the Davenport field director for his 2008 run who gushes about every encounter she’s ever had with him.

Whenever Biden comes to town, she’s there, along with all the other supporters who are wishing he’d run.

“He hears that we’re on board, and his eyes just twinkle,” Holle said at a café overlooking the Mississippi just before Monday’s event.

Maybe that’s a yes. Maybe that’s a wistful no. Holle said she has no idea.

“If Biden is going to run for president, he needs to start getting staffers on the ground here in Iowa now,” she said.

There are people on his staff convinced he’ll run and have been since election night 2012. There are people on his staff who are sure he won’t.

In Davenport, Biden tells a story he’s told before, a lesson he says he learned in his earliest days in the Senate, when candidates kept asking him his secret to winning.

Simple, Biden remembers saying.

“You have to figure out what’s worth losing over.”

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 11:51:33 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/30/upshot/why-polls-tend-to-undercount-democrats.html?abt=0002&abg=0

THERE'S STILL HOPE *rubs beads*

Quote

Lynn is a trusted commenter New York 37 minutes ago
"There are reasons to question whether the problems will be as acute this year, because many of the young and nonwhite voters who pose the biggest challenges to pollsters will most likely stay home in a midterm election. "

Or, of course, in places like Georgia and Texas, the Republicans will bias the electorate to fit the polls, by keeping these groups from voting by prevented them from registering to vote, or by kicking them off the voting rolls because they lack Republican-biased IDs (such as the 93-year old man in Texas who doesn't have a Driver's license and, since he also doesn't have a car, has to take a day and 3 buses each way to get to a place where he can get an ID, while the white suburban Republican just drives into his polling place and votes.

"Republican-biased IDs" is a new one for me.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2014, 12:05:28 PM

Quote from: Esch on October 30, 2014, 09:54:58 AM

I know someone who works for orbital as an engineer :O

gonna check social media for some laughs :teehee

Just remember, the only thing that died are people's stock portfolios so you can troll and not be a dick.

I'm real glad I have my "can troll the space shuttle" card since people actually died in those disasters. :whew (BTW, more people died during the lifespan of the shuttle program than the Soyuz program--which is still running. GOAT.)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 12:09:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZs8l2AMps

Quote

He was so critical of flaws in NASA's "safety culture" that he threatened to remove his name from the report unless it included his personal observations on the reliability of the shuttle, which appeared as Appendix F.[53] In the appendix, he argued that the estimates of reliability offered by NASA management were wildly unrealistic, differing as much as a thousandfold from the estimates of working engineers. "For a successful technology," he concluded, "reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."[54]

Richard Feynman wrote that while other members of the Commission met with NASA and supplier top management he sought out the engineers and technicians. That is how he became aware of the O-ring problem. He also noted that one of the Commission's main worries concerned the type of leather binding in which to present the report to the President.[14]

That's my favorite part of the Rogers Commission.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 12:57:26 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on October 30, 2014, 03:00:24 AM

Ew, gross. We let Romney be a our governor for a bit for some reason so it could happen again I guess.

Massachusetts had a Republican governor from 1991-2007. And 1965-1975. The interim was mostly Dukakis.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2014, 01:01:54 PM

The east coast has always had "east coast republicans" who do well. If Scott Brown wasn't a dumbass and didn't face Warren he probably would have won. IMO he should have stayed in MA because now he can't go back. He could have challenged Markey in a few years.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 30, 2014, 02:06:06 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 12:09:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWZs8l2AMps

Quote

He was so critical of flaws in NASA's "safety culture" that he threatened to remove his name from the report unless it included his personal observations on the reliability of the shuttle, which appeared as Appendix F.[53] In the appendix, he argued that the estimates of reliability offered by NASA management were wildly unrealistic, differing as much as a thousandfold from the estimates of working engineers. "For a successful technology," he concluded, "reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled."[54]

Richard Feynman wrote that while other members of the Commission met with NASA and supplier top management he sought out the engineers and technicians. That is how he became aware of the O-ring problem. He also noted that one of the Commission's main worries concerned the type of leather binding in which to present the report to the President.[14]

That's my favorite part of the Rogers Commission.

I just read that part in his book where he wrote that last week.

Richard Feynman is a personal hero of mine, such an awesome person.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2014, 04:19:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeLTovp5E44

Quote

Church & Dwight, one of the world’s biggest condom makers, did not respond to questions about the impact that Mr. Gardner might have on its inventory if he is elected.

Similar but different radio version: http://www.prochoiceamerica.org/elections/2014/GMMB_25914_NARAL_CO_ThisGuy.mp3

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He has returned home to report failure in his mission to purchase condoms. “How did this happen?” she asks.

He replies: “Cory Gardner banned birth control, and now it’s all on us guys. And you can’t find a condom anywhere. And the pill was just the start. The Pell grants my little brother was counting on for college? Cory cut them! Climate change that everyone knows is weirding our weather—Cory flat-out denies it! Sweet pea, Cory denies science!”

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 30, 2014, 05:29:34 PM

Wait. So CNN is reporting that Senator Graham made some offensive jokes and then proceed to tell how Senator Graham made a (bad) joke saying "baptists are the ones that drink but don't admit it" and I'm supposed to be all offended by that?
What is this? GAF?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2014, 05:37:45 PM

I don't remember the exact phrasing, but I knew an old Catholic guy that used to tell this one:

Q: How can you spot a Baptist or Catholic in a liquor store?

A: The Baptist is the one that tries to duck out without being seen. The Catholic is the one that walks up to you and says "How's it going, Father?"

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2014, 05:58:37 PM

I went to a Catholic wedding where the padre made fun of Methodists during the actual ceremony.

I still don't understand why he felt the need to do this. :yeshrug

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 30, 2014, 06:03:57 PM

Why do you always take 2 mormons fishing? Because if you take just one he'll drink all the beer. But with another neither will touch it.

What did the mormon girl do after she learned there was alcohol at the party? She put on her pants and went home.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on October 30, 2014, 07:53:52 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2014, 01:04:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2014, 01:02:42 PM

Setting 1981 as your index is pretty good.

Anyway, we're all on average vastly better off now than the 1980's or ever before.

For example, Wikipedia is almost infinitely superior to World Book unless you need to prop up a table or something.

Better in tech? Sure

Better in anything else, let's review?

Job security: Reagan
Housing: LOL Reagan
Gas: Reagan
International Relations: reagan took down the USSR, obama once almost did some shit to ISIS
Free phones: Obama
Pizza for voting: Obama


Yeah, it's pretty close.

Older post but Reagan ignored the AIDS crisis. For that alone he's a fucking crime against humanity.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 30, 2014, 11:25:27 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-jordan-obama-bad-golfer

:hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2014, 09:09:41 PM

The New Progressive Left of PollingGAF:

Quote from: speculawyer

I am quite disappointed how forgetful and ungrateful people are.

FFS, the stock market is at record highs, gas prices are CHEAP, unemployment is low, interest rates are still low, GDP growth is high, inflation is controlled, the deficit is at one of the lowest rates compared to GDP in the last 40 years . . . and yet people still whine?

And people jumped all over me for semi-seriously calling him (and others) a reactionary conservative who stans for the status quo*.

*If the D's are in power.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2014, 09:15:09 PM

Quote from: RustyNails

Because they keep electing morons that impede progress. ... I normally dont like condensing complicated stuff to a one-liner like this. But everything speculawyer said is true and then some. They should look at the whole picture instead of just looking at their pockets. I'll go one step further and say most of the Americans are stupid and downright idiotic when it comes to politics ... Republicans have mastered the American politics and have the whole country eating out of their hands when it comes to their creation myths (high deficit is bad! government is evil!), and our idiotic citizenry now thinks Republicans are more adept at handling economy and foreign policy.

The People have spoken and they should be ignored! And they should vote for their own interests, as long as it lines up with the big picture!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on October 31, 2014, 09:25:01 PM

speculawyer has been posting gross shit for years. He's one of the O.G. neo-Malthusians at GAF.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 31, 2014, 10:39:38 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 31, 2014, 09:26:10 PM

Someone invite spec over here.

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2014, 11:16:22 PM

remember all the amazing things poligaf said Obama would get done in his second term, and how "no holds barred" he'd be
:heh

the thread is full of hacks.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 31, 2014, 11:18:21 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 31, 2014, 09:26:10 PM

Someone invite spec over here.

what? why?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2014, 11:36:43 PM

you'll get your wish walrus: I bet one of the first things a republican congress gets done and Obama signs of on is a corporate tax cut.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 01, 2014, 01:58:00 PM

I can cope with two years of repub majority if it means we'll get a wave of dem support and hilary in 2016

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2014, 02:00:50 PM

perfect time for Obama's triangulation heel turn. They thought he was a socialist when he was a 70s republican all this time.
:whew

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2014, 03:12:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2014, 02:00:50 PM

perfect time for Obama's triangulation heel turn. They thought he was a socialist when he was a 70s republican all this time.
:whew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO9zxsRzN-M

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 01, 2014, 03:25:17 PM

:dead

Just got the laziest go vote call, the person left me a voice mail, but not just for me, for me and the subcomandante of our commune.

Be creepy as fuck to get people to vote y'all. :heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2014, 06:37:28 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2014, 03:12:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2014, 02:00:50 PM

perfect time for Obama's triangulation heel turn. They thought he was a socialist when he was a 70s republican all this time.
:whew

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO9zxsRzN-M

Does that make Harry Reid the Macho Man?

 :ohhh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2014, 07:57:56 PM

Quote from: Vularai on November 01, 2014, 03:25:17 PM

:dead

Just got the laziest go vote call, the person left me a voice mail, but not just for me, for me and the subcomandante of our commune.

Be creepy as fuck to get people to vote y'all. :heh

Bo Schembechler's wife or daughter or something left my parents a voice mail to vote for some Republican guy on the UofM Board of Regents. But she was like whispering the entire thing like she was doing it from under a desk or something in DNC HQ.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2014, 07:59:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 01, 2014, 07:57:56 PM

Quote from: Vularai on November 01, 2014, 03:25:17 PM

:dead

Just got the laziest go vote call, the person left me a voice mail, but not just for me, for me and the subcomandante of our commune.

Be creepy as fuck to get people to vote y'all. :heh

Bo Schembechler's wife or daughter or something left my parents a voice mail to vote for some Republican guy on the UofM Board of Regents. But she was like whispering the entire thing like she was doing it from under a desk or something in DNC HQ.

She doesn't have to speak too loudly considering there might only be 7 other republicans in Ann Arbor.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2014, 11:44:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEnrUsLHPxI

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2014, 01:34:19 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 01, 2014, 11:44:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEnrUsLHPxI

:pacspit

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: DCharlieJP on November 02, 2014, 03:42:30 PM

yes, the media has been biased against Palin because it does make her look like an utter moron from a poorly behaved family whereas the truth is she's... oh....

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2014, 04:05:57 PM

Quote from: DCharlieJP on November 02, 2014, 03:42:30 PM

yes, the media has been biased against Palin because it does make her look like an utter moron from a poorly behaved family whereas the truth is she's... oh....

Yeah, but just look at all the accomplishments she's had in her political career like...oh...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2014, 04:09:58 PM

But at least she's a good speaker and has a lot of interesting ideas like...oh...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 12:20:42 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/03/opinion/cancel-the-midterms.html?_r=0

Quote

There was a time when midterm elections made sense — at our nation’s founding, the Constitution represented a new form of republican government, and it was important for at least one body of Congress to be closely accountable to the people.

...

The main impact of the midterm election in the modern era has been to weaken the president, the only government official (other than the powerless vice president) elected by the entire nation. Since the end of World War II, the president’s party has on average lost 25 seats in the House and about 4 in the Senate as a result of the midterms. This is a bipartisan phenomenon — Democratic presidents have lost an average of 31 House seats and between 4 to 5 Senate seats in midterms; Republican presidents have lost 20 and 3 seats, respectively.

The realities of the modern election cycle are that we spend almost two years selecting a president with a well-developed agenda, but then, less than two years after the inauguration, the midterm election cripples that same president’s ability to advance that agenda.

...

There’s an obvious, simple fix, though. The government should, through a constitutional amendment, extend the term of House members to four years and adjust the term of senators to either four or eight years, so that all elected federal officials would be chosen during presidential election years. Doing so would relieve some (though, of course, not all) of the systemic gridlock afflicting the federal government and provide members of Congress with the ability to focus more time and energy on governance instead of electioneering.

This adjustment would also give Congress the breathing space to consider longer-term challenges facing the nation — such as entitlement spending, immigration and climate change — that are either too complex or politically toxic to tackle within a two-year election cycle.

:dead

tears are beginning

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2014, 12:25:22 PM

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2014, 12:25:47 PM

I get where the author is coming from, but I feel like the bigger problem here is that election cycles keep getting longer and longer, to the point where it never seems like we're actually outside of one. Less than halfway through Obama's second term and the media has already been talking so much about 2016 that I'm sick and tired of hearing about it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 12:32:43 PM

Rather than write something myself, this comment on the article mostly hits all the points I was going to:

Quote

Bill New Zealand 2 hours ago

Good God no! I live overseas in a Parliamentary system; it is unrepresentative and barely democracy. All elected officials put party before constituency, and MPs in many cases are not allowed to vote against party, so one of the very issues that allows for bipartisanship in the US system--voting against your own party--is not possible by design.

You don't even vote for a leader, but a party. There are no primaries, so who the party anoints is who you are stuck with. And elections come around when the party in power decides to call one.

The US system may be having problems, but the solution is a not a system that allows the voters to be totally ignored while a government rams an agenda down the nation's throat with little or no debate.

I cannot even imagine what the US would have looked like if Bush and Cheney had been elected in the NZ parliamentary system with no checks on power, and a completely stifled opposition. Yes, believe it or not, in a different system, it would have been far worse.

While I get annoyed by gridlock, the fact is true democracy is alway a struggle between those trying to govern and those trying to reign in power. Any government that works without real and effective opposition is no longer a democracy.

It certainly seems like a lot of people want to move to that kind of system of one election that decides everything for four or five years until the next one. And the obsessiveness over the Presidential elections is that + Great Man Theory.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 03, 2014, 01:12:30 PM

Oakland mayor's race best candidate:

http://www.oakmayor2014.com/candidates/peter-y-liu/#toggle-id-1 (http://www.oakmayor2014.com/candidates/peter-y-liu/#toggle-id-1)

Good crazy answers, but this one :whew

Quote

The Oakland city council is corrupted and incompetent to the core. It rear its ugly head with the city garbage contract process, shady at least and illegal at worst. I am not their friend. Their support is not needed because my "Community Empowered Safety Plan" does not require the council for implementation. I am there to instill fear in the council, with watchful eyes like a cat watching blind mice play. When I pierce their deception, corruption, and/or bribery, that is when I pounce. They'll know me as Overseer Liu. To achieve my goals, if any councilmember obstructs me in any way that is unreasonable, I'll intellectually bitch slap them until they go home crying. Even a grown man will have thousand tears drip like piss. I'll video tape it in HD with my brand new cellphone holding it ten inches from their forehead then post it on YouTube.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 01:13:17 PM

last sentence needs to be in the bold too

HD WITH NEW CELLPHONE

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 03, 2014, 01:14:00 PM

Fixed. That guy :dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 01:23:12 PM

GOP Establishment: "SEE WE'RE NORMAL, VOTE FOR US IN 2016"
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/2014-elections-republican-candidates-112428.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/2014-elections-republican-candidates-112428.html)

Quote

For the Republican Party’s leadership, taking control of the U.S. Senate might not even be the sweetest part of a victory in 2014.

With growing confidence as Election Day approaches, Republican leaders are preparing to argue that broad GOP gains in the House and Senate would represent a top-to-bottom validation of their party’s mainline wing. Having taken a newly heavy-handed approach to the primary season this year, the top strategists of the Republican coalition say capturing the majority would set a powerful precedent for similar actions in the future — not just in Senate and congressional races, but in the presidential primary season as well.

National Republicans managed this year to snuff out every bomb-throwing insurgent who tried to wrest a Senate nod away from one of their favored candidates. They spent millions against baggage-laden activists such as Matt Bevin, the Louisville investor who mounted a ham-fisted challenge to Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, and Mississippi state Sen. Chris McDaniel, the conservative upstart who imperiled a safe seat by nearly ousting longtime Sen. Thad Cochran.

...

Senate GOP Whip John Cornyn, the Texan who twice chaired the National Republican Senatorial Committee, said the party had experienced a “very, very important evolution” this year — one from which it would not turn back.

“Where we ran into problems was where that small sliver of the party insisted on nominating people who could win the primary but couldn’t win the general,” Cornyn said of the past two election cycles. Of the party’s successful 2014 course-correction, Cornyn said: “I promise you it’s a lesson we will not forget.”

...

What’s more, the party took additional steps to lean on the primary process and shape it in its favor: In Colorado, Republicans coaxed prosecutor Ken Buck out of his second campaign for the U.S. Senate and into a congressional race, making way for Gardner’s statewide campaign. In Kentucky, after Bevin announced his primary run against McConnell, the Senate leader sent a message across his party’s hired-gun community by banishing Bevin’s consultants from the NRSC.

Indeed, no Republican embodies the campaign to lock down the primary process better than McConnell, the hard-nosed fundraising whiz who told The New York Times in March that he would “crush” the conservative outside groups lined up against him and his colleagues. “I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country,” he said.

...

For all their successes this year, GOP leaders are by no means confident that they have muffled the intraparty rebellion for good — or that they’ve created adequate maneuvering room in a presidential race for a candidate like Chris Christie, the party’s most prominent blue-state governor, or Jeb Bush, the former Florida governor who’s gotten crosswise with the base on immigration reform and Common Core education standards. (One well-connected Republican strategist warned: “If we get a nominee like Ted Cruz, we’ll have a Todd Akin-level disaster on an even bigger stage.”)

...

As a result, Cole said, there’s a fairly wide recognition in the party — not just among donors and interest groups in Washington — that electoral competitiveness demands a more discerning approach to primaries. He cited Gardner’s Senate campaign and the elevation of Iowa state Sen. Joni Ernst, an anointed favorite of longtime Gov. Terry Branstad, as illustrative examples.

“That’s not just orchestrated from Washington, D.C. A lot of Republicans at the local level are also making smart decisions and saying, ‘It’s not enough to win the primary,’” Cole said. “I see the same thing in the House candidates I’ve interacted with over the last year.”

Whether or not the party’s more tactically prudent approach this year carries over into the mood of the Republican base in a presidential cycle, party leaders are confident the 2014 results will bolster electability-minded arguments heading into the next campaign.
“While many point to the president’s abysmal approval ratings or the GOP tilt to the playing field as the primary reasons we may win the U.S. Senate, the real key to victory on Election Day may be the quality of candidates on our side,” said Robert Blizzard, a Republican pollster who works with many House and Senate campaigns.

Invoking two of the party’s most famously disastrous recent nominees, Blizzard added: “There really are no [Richard] Mourdocks or [Christine] O’Donnells in this class of GOP candidates. That’s because our best general election candidates won their primaries this time around.”

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2014, 01:24:33 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 03, 2014, 01:12:30 PM

Oakland mayor's race best candidate:

http://www.oakmayor2014.com/candidates/peter-y-liu/#toggle-id-1 (http://www.oakmayor2014.com/candidates/peter-y-liu/#toggle-id-1)

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I don't give a fuck about professional sports. They're only good for useless entertainment value. What I do care about is that these teams don't leech off of pubic taxpayers to pay for their shit. Don't expect the taxpayers to build a stadium for your ass, you purchase the land and build it on your own dime motherfuckers. If you get offended by what I say, well fuck you too then.

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An alternative form of transportation I support is horses. I am an animal lover and those ponies are cute. With my trusty horse sidekick, HORSEY, I'll ride like a western cowboy slinging revolvers and my horse shit all over Oakland grass patches as natural fertilizer for the trees and flowers. I am an environmentalist too. Now you may think horses are kinda old fashion, not up in the Oakland hills, those people call themselves equestrians with stables the size of a three-car garage. We all need to learn to ride horses so we can stop paying outrageous gas prices.

Another reason why horses are better than bikes is no one today is crazy enough to want to steal a horse, they may get a hind leg kick to the face then it is game over. You've seen how easy it is to steal a car in Grand Theft Auto and Gone in 60 Seconds. You try that with a horse, it might bite your head off. MEEEeeeeehh.

...

Just imagine yourself riding a horse, running pass an obnoxious Segway scooter ride, you can literally trample on his ass and bounce at the same time. I like that feeling. We must get more horses. Vote Liu.

:whew

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Not sure if the “digital divide” is such a bad thing, I don’t think kids are suffering because of it, but I’ll bridge the gap in Oakland with condoms. You see, what it means is 95% of the kids up in the Oakland hills be clicking on porno sites at an earlier age versus 50% of flatland kids be hooking it up with the real thang so they need contraceptives. I live in the flat lands, when I was 13, we didn’t have fast ass internet such as Cumcast, yeah it’s Cumcastic. What we had was slow ass AOL 56K modem, but I was still clicking on the “I am over 18” tab like a lab monkey. We use to wait for a jpeg to load in a minute or two. I was a nerd, trading dozens of 3.5” floppy disks each filled with 1.2MB of salacious photos to other nerds in school. Now I reminisce, what fucking losers we were, other male classmates who did not have internet access at home be bangin hot chicks in school. While we wasted time looking at a god damn 14 inch CRT, those other dudes be focusing on their “Mac” skills with their inches. Know what I am sayin. (REMINDER: all this shit happened before I accepted Jesus okay)

:neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2014, 01:26:59 PM

Hope he's ready to take that L

Nobody is allowed to insult the Raiders.  The A's? fuck 'em.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 01:43:41 PM

The A's have won a game this calendar year tho

:hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2014, 01:44:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 01:43:41 PM

The A's have won a game this calendar year tho

:hitler

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2014, 01:47:18 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2014, 01:34:19 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 01, 2014, 11:44:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEnrUsLHPxI

:pacspit

McCain should be like "I got shot down, spent years in a prison camp, came back, and was successful. And you assholes want me to talk about a derelict family brawl.....fuck off"

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2014, 01:51:49 PM

If democrats survive tomorrow it'll be due to under sampling Hispanics in Colorado and the inability to accurately poll Alaska. Also black voters in Georgia.

Michigan wise I think Snyder will win by 3-5. It's not as close as people claim IMO. Jennifer Granholm ensured we won't elect a democrat governor anytime soon.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 01:54:06 PM

...she could still get it, tho

 :obama

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 03, 2014, 02:02:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2014, 01:51:49 PM

If democrats survive tomorrow it'll be due to under sampling Hispanics in Colorado and the inability to accurately poll Alaska. Also black voters in Georgia.

In other words, voter fraud.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 02:03:37 PM

Real talk tho- Senate is fucked.

I have the dems losing seats in:

-Colorado
-Iowa (biggest wtf of the cycle to me, Ernst is a fucking loon and the media has gone out of their way to not portray her as such imo)
-Louisiana
-Arkansas
-South Dakota
-West Virginia
-Montana

Those 7 = GOP majority of 52. The Dems would have to hold one of those and win 1 more out of Georgia, Kentucky or have the independent caucus with them provided he wins in Kansas, which is polling even or slightly in favor of Roberts now. Dems may also lose in NC and NH. Hello majority leader Yurtle the Turtle, basically.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2014, 02:03:51 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 03, 2014, 02:02:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2014, 01:51:49 PM

If democrats survive tomorrow it'll be due to under sampling Hispanics in Colorado and the inability to accurately poll Alaska. Also black voters in Georgia.

In other words, voter fraud.

Does not exist, at least that's what you guys have been saying for the last 4 pages of this thread.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 02:07:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 02:03:37 PM

Real talk tho- Senate is fucked.

I have the dems losing seats in:

-Colorado
-Iowa (biggest wtf of the cycle to me, Ernst is a fucking loon and the media has gone out of their way to not portray her as such imo)
-Louisiana
-Arkansas
-South Dakota
-West Virginia
-Montana

Don't worry, all the polls have a GOP bias as shown by polls in the past and in every single one of these the Democrats actually lead by at least five points or more if you do the math. Probably will see a number of pickups that could make this a Democratic Supermajority in the Senate. Not to mention taking back the House since the Generic Ballot is really +7 Democrat.

The GOP probably won't even run anyone for President in 2016 at this rate.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 03, 2014, 02:08:01 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 02:07:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 02:03:37 PM

Real talk tho- Senate is fucked.

I have the dems losing seats in:

-Colorado
-Iowa (biggest wtf of the cycle to me, Ernst is a fucking loon and the media has gone out of their way to not portray her as such imo)
-Louisiana
-Arkansas
-South Dakota
-West Virginia
-Montana

Don't worry, all the polls have a GOP bias as shown by polls in the past and in every single one of these the Democrats actually lead by at least five points or more if you do the math. Probably will see a number of pickups that could make this a Democratic Supermajority in the Senate. Not to mention taking back the House since the Generic Ballot is really +7 Democrat.

The GOP probably won't even run anyone for President in 2016 at this rate.

lol, sure

(http://i.imgur.com/8IzIeW1.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 03, 2014, 04:43:51 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 12:32:43 PM

It certainly seems like a lot of people want to move to that kind of system of one election that decides everything for four or five years until the next one. And the obsessiveness over the Presidential elections is that + Great Man Theory.

One step closer to democratic centralism. :noah

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on November 03, 2014, 04:56:25 PM

The bit John Oliver did this week on state legislature was horrifying.

http://youtu.be/aIMgfBZrrZ8

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 06:30:51 PM

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Matt Hoffman14 hours ago
 
I am fond of John Oliver, but portraying Michigan's anti-unborn-kid-murdering laws as bad is a bit much.

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Paulius Mscichauskas13 hours ago
 
Islam IS a cancer. So is christianity, or scientology and so on and so on.
I do not see a problem with this statement at all.

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lasschesteven13 hours ago
 
Isn't the term "people of colour" racist too? I mean, the only thing a black person and a Chinese person have in common that they don't have in common with me is that they're not white, yet the term "people of colour" places them in the same group.

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Michael Haimerl8 hours ago
 
So IF the so called "people of color" actually didn't work as hard as everyone else in school (maybe because of the toxic sub culture?) nobody would be allowed to mention it EVER, or they are called a racist? How would this problem ever be solved with this kind of ignorance? Shows like these are hurting the country. because they steer away from the real problem, just to get a few cheap laughs out of it. Political propaganda disguised as comedy.... can nobody see the problem?

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Mike Orr13 hours ago
 
I was a little sad to see the man yelling and punching the bill made fun of. I don't know his politics but I would love a legislature that was so passionate. Anyone know the name of him?

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networkdeath11 hour ago (edited)
 
Yes, America!  Learn from your British leftist comedians about your own government!  THIS is what the wrought iron fenced-in executive elitists at Home Box Office work so hard at every damn day - filling our minds with leftist thought via comedy.

* anybody with an (R) after their name is crazy, but a (D) gets you Carte Blanche admission into the elitist society (just kindly step over the masses on your way in please).  There is absolutely nothing about the Democratic Party worth laughing at, people.  Look away.  Right . . . fucking . . . now.  Unless it's Leland Yee.  Even corporate media can't hide that (D) train wreck.
* leftist policies are fantastic!  Burn the sane business models, kill your baby on a whim so you may continue to carelessly fuck, let in exponentially violent religious psychopaths and call it tolerance (but openly curse modern Christianity while you're at it), create the worst education system on earth but pay the teachers a crack-high salary with zero chance of termination for their abysmal performance.  Why just visit the land Mr. Oliver ran away from before he came here to infect us (bumping paths with tail-between-his-legs Piers Morgan I imagine).  Ahhhh, Great Britain, a formerly meaningful land now utterly soused, immensely vulgar and violent, Big Brother monitoring the decaying people from surveillance cameras in every possible corner, a former world influencing race of people now in voluntary demographic suicide, with the muezzin calling for British destruction 5X every day from the most populated mosques on earth - right in merry ole England.  Great idea, HBO, to bring the same virus here to the Colonies.  More cancer, please!!

If there was ever a clearer indicator that leftist policies actually regress a people, it's how these media execs now resort to using comedy to force their repellent political persuasions through to the populace today.  And Americans, through nearly a century of progressivism shoved down our throats, have become collectively and dangerously adolescent.  Men are nothing but dependent and incapable boys, women are alone and pissed off, and Comedy Central has mastered the laugh track as electoral weapon.  Let's all just give up, mock our opponents into submission with the heft and weight of a multi-billion dollar corporate media industry, and keep assuming you can maintain a republic through an elite driven national policy of narcissism.  HBO now has their own John Stewart, but will the people ever figure out the ploy?

John Oliver discredited.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 06:33:48 PM

Reading comments sections on the internet

:ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 06:45:45 PM

Ladies and gentlemen, your soon to be Senator from Iowa.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/joni-ernst-charles-pierce-barack-obama-ebola

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"We have an apathetic president," Ernst said to a crowd, according to The Washington Post's Ben Terris. After her speech she said Obama "is just standing back and letting things happen, he is reactive rather than proactive."

Ernst added "with Ebola, he’s been very hands off." And that's where the back-and-forth started with Pierce, a sports-writer-turned-commentator media personality and who is the author of four books, including "Idiot America." With Ernst, he asked her what Obama should have done differently.

"What should he have done about Ebola?" Pierce said. "One person in America has Ebola."

"OK, you’re the press and you’re giving me your opinion," Ernst responded.

"It’s not an opinion, only one person in America has it," Pierce interjected.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2014, 07:12:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksHIlbIWhgQ

Obama's Marxist Agenda To Destroy The Family Exposed

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2014, 08:23:58 PM

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/03/ben-stein-obama-is-the-most-racist-president-there-has-ever-been/

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Speaking to Fox News, Stein called President Barack Obama the most racist president in U.S. history.

“The president is the most racist president there has ever been in America,” Stein said. “He is purposely trying to use race to divide Americans.”

Andrew Jackson wept.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2014, 08:29:09 PM

Are you more likely to be diseased or beheaded now than you were 6 years ago?

Remember in November!

A vote for a democrat is a vote for Ebola.Vote like your life depends on it, because it does

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2014, 01:13:24 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2014, 08:23:58 PM

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/11/03/ben-stein-obama-is-the-most-racist-president-there-has-ever-been/

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Speaking to Fox News, Stein called President Barack Obama the most racist president in U.S. history.

“The president is the most racist president there has ever been in America,” Stein said. “He is purposely trying to use race to divide Americans.”

Andrew Jackson wept.

Like, do people just not understand how superlatives work? I'm really trying to understand this phenomenon.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 01:18:28 AM

Quote from: Vularai on November 04, 2014, 01:13:24 AM

Like, do people just not understand how superlatives work? I'm really trying to understand this phenomenon.

This is the most insane question ever asked.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2014, 01:42:12 AM

I was going to vote for Bob Avakian (for all offices) tomorrow but I don't think I'll have the time. (Gotta triple client hoof it.) Shucks, not being able to partake in bourgeois bread and circuses. *snaps fingers*

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 07:50:24 AM

Voted


 :usacry

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 04, 2014, 09:27:09 AM

my state has amendments to establish a state board to oversee and continually review teachers, taking away that power from individual schools, and an amendment to allow any previous charges a person has had to be brought up in court when the person is charged with a child sex crime.

red states are so fucked for the foreseeable future :(

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 09:30:14 AM

Quote from: Big Jumbo on November 04, 2014, 09:27:09 AM

and an amendment to allow any previous charges a person has had to be brought up in court when the person is charged with a child sex crime.

red states are so fucked for the foreseeable future :(

What exactly is wrong with this, Opiate?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2014, 10:32:28 AM

Quote from: Vularai on November 04, 2014, 01:42:12 AM

I was going to vote for Bob Avakian (for all offices) tomorrow but I don't think I'll have the time. (Gotta triple client hoof it.) Shucks, not being able to partake in bourgeois bread and circuses. *snaps fingers*

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I'd vote for Bob Avakian, but my state doesn't allow write-in votes. Land of the Free :usacry

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:32:39 AM

(http://theiowarepublican.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/RepublicanElephantVSDemocratDonkey.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2014, 10:44:48 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2014, 10:32:28 AM

I'd vote for Bob Avakian, but my state doesn't allow write-in votes. Land of the Free :usacry

Indeed. (http://i.imgur.com/0nVfqPo.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 04, 2014, 11:14:42 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 09:30:14 AM

Quote from: Big Jumbo on November 04, 2014, 09:27:09 AM

and an amendment to allow any previous charges a person has had to be brought up in court when the person is charged with a child sex crime.

red states are so fucked for the foreseeable future :(

What exactly is wrong with this, Opiate?

because they won't be trying dudes on the current crime, but on past crimes, resulting in more false convictions.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 04, 2014, 11:17:21 AM

Cmon drugs, cmon drugs! The liberal agenda to corrupt the nation with the devil's lettuce is coming to fruition!  :usacry :smug :patel

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 04, 2014, 02:11:55 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1EQJavIgAAarfL.jpg:large)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 04, 2014, 02:13:33 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2014, 02:03:37 PM

Hello majority leader Yurtle the Turtle, basically.

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2242932/thumbs/r-MITCH-MCCONNELL-huge.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2014, 02:23:44 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on November 04, 2014, 11:17:21 AM

Cmon drugs, cmon drugs! The liberal agenda to corrupt the nation with the devil's lettuce is coming to fruition!  :usacry :smug :patel

GAY POT GAY POT GAY POT

OH YEAH TAKIN GUNS YO

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 03:44:22 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 04, 2014, 02:11:55 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1EQJavIgAAarfL.jpg:large)

:badass

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 03:53:23 PM

I voted. No line but many people were at the polling booths.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 04:06:45 PM

You double down on Snyder, breh?

:jawalrus

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 04:17:41 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1m8Ll4IAAAxZz3.jpg)
:noah

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2014, 04:23:58 PM

Davis is such a milf. :drool

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 04, 2014, 04:26:18 PM

Apparently she also aint nothing to fuck with

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 04:26:28 PM

Voted. The Texan Democrat card is surprisingly robust and I voted blue for the pertinent things. Come onnnn Wendy.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 04:50:59 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jon-stewart-didnt-vote-2014

Jon Stewart may have covered every bizarre moment of this year's midterm election, but he didn't cast a vote in it.

The host of "The Daily Show" told CNN's Christiane Amanpour during an interview on Tuesday that he had abstained this year. But it wasn't an ideological decision, he said.

"I just moved. I don't know where my thing is now," the comedian said, referring to a polling place.

:beli

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cheddahz on November 04, 2014, 05:44:40 PM

literally just went up to vote to make sure nikki haley isn't governor

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: thisismyusername on November 04, 2014, 05:47:30 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on November 04, 2014, 04:26:18 PM

Apparently she also aint nothing to fuck with

I'm glad someone made this before I did.  :lol :-*

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 04, 2014, 05:52:20 PM

taken from a fam member's facebook status:

"THIS IS A NECESARY(sic) VICTORY TO DEFEAT THE USURPER. PLEASE VOTE TO TELL OBAMA TO **KEEP HIS HANDS OFF OUR GUNS AND OUR RIGHTS!!!!**"

:fbm

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 04, 2014, 05:53:09 PM

can we just pave over everything between the two coastlines? like, maybe turn it into the world's biggest quad park?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 05:58:07 PM

oh man if they fail to win the senate...the lols would be too much for me

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 06:35:58 PM

My bet is based on three races: Iowa, NC, and AR iirc. If two of three dems lose, I win. Which seems pretty likely to me.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 06:39:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 06:35:58 PM

My bet is based on three races: Iowa, NC, and AR iirc. If two of three dems lose, I win. Which seems pretty likely to me.

You should have that in the bag. I think Hagan is somehow gonna win in NC. Other two are toast.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on November 04, 2014, 07:07:55 PM

fuck Cuomo

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cheddahz on November 04, 2014, 07:18:43 PM

HOW THE HELL DOES NIKKI HALEY WIN OVER THE WHOLE DAMN STATE?!?!?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 07:20:14 PM

because she's a republican in south carolina

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Cheddahz on November 04, 2014, 07:24:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 07:20:14 PM

because she's a republican in south carolina

Please don't remind me

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 07:47:20 PM

So much salt...take your L's like men...ya pack of John Edwards Jrs.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: El Babua on November 04, 2014, 07:47:46 PM

quote author=The Walrus link=topic=39503.msg1959268#msg1959268 date=1415148284]
Honestly, if every single dude who cast a ballot for McConnell suddenly had his dick drop off tomorrow, I'd be pretty stoked.
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Or Rick Scott. Though Crist is almost as bad.

Fucking Florida. Voted.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 07:48:22 PM

Non-white turnout is quite high in Georgia apparently, perhaps 36%. Nunn might pull this off, or at least force a run off election.
:leon

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 07:54:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 07:48:22 PM

Non-white turnout is quite high in Georgia apparently, perhaps 36%. Nunn might pull this off, or at least force a run off election.
:leon

No and yes

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 07:55:23 PM

Sounds like Rick Scott is fucked
:rejoice

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Atramental on November 04, 2014, 08:03:40 PM

So... there's a chance Mitch McConnell will become Senate majority leader? (http://i.imgur.com/zTGx55y.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 08:04:52 PM

Quote from: Atramental on November 04, 2014, 08:03:40 PM

So... there's a chance Mitch McConnell will become Senate majority leader? (http://i.imgur.com/zTGx55y.png)

Nah, it'll probably be Ted Cruz.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Atramental on November 04, 2014, 08:06:10 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 08:04:52 PM

Quote from: Atramental on November 04, 2014, 08:03:40 PM

So... there's a chance Mitch McConnell will become Senate majority leader? (http://i.imgur.com/zTGx55y.png)

Nah, it'll probably be Ted Cruz.

(http://i.imgur.com/zTGx55y.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 08:06:38 PM

sounds like dems will hold in NC and NH.

RIP Scott Brown's political career.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 04, 2014, 08:08:36 PM

Corbett is out in PA. :rejoice

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: tiesto on November 04, 2014, 08:13:32 PM

Quote from: kingkitty on November 04, 2014, 07:07:55 PM

fuck Cuomo

I voted for Cuomo. Seems better than the alternative, not that he will lose. Also voted for Bishop since Zeldin is one of those anti-women, pro-lifer conservative types.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 08:19:07 PM

https://twitter.com/DickMorrisTweet/status/529804372692041728

:heh

he manages to be wrong on a night where his side is more than likely going to win.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 08:21:06 PM

Florida has to choose between crypt keeper and leatherface. I am fucked. >:(

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:23:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 07:55:23 PM

Sounds like Rick Scott is fucked
:rejoice

He seems to have a solid and growing over the last few updates lead. ???

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 08:25:37 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:23:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 07:55:23 PM

Sounds like Rick Scott is fucked
:rejoice

He seems to have a solid and growing over the last few updates lead. ???

Crist is overperforming Obama in the major districts, Scott is underperforming everywhere.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:28:10 PM

Scott's lead is up to 100k now. Not seeing it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 08:29:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:28:10 PM

Scott's lead is up to 100k now. Not seeing it.

miami dade hasn't come in yet.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on November 04, 2014, 08:38:52 PM

Senate Majority turtle is a beautiful orator.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:39:00 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2014, 08:29:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:28:10 PM

Scott's lead is up to 100k now. Not seeing it.

miami dade hasn't come in yet.

MD gonna be a 135k+ windfall for Crist?

:gurl

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 08:40:21 PM

Quote

Texas District 34
<1% reporting
CANDIDATE   PARTY   VOTES   PCT.
Ryan Rowley   Lib.    8,023   42.9%
Filemon Vela*   Dem.   6,666   35.7
Larry Smith   Rep.   4,004   21.4
* Incumbent

LIBERTARIAN MOMENT, WAVE ELECTION COMING

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:45:32 PM

Dems down another seat in Arkansas.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 08:49:58 PM

Scott Brown officially loses
:rejoice

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:50:42 PM

I think Scott is gonna win FL. Shocking after the debate. Further evidence we should just trade that piece of shit state to the Cubans for coffee and cigars, though.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2014, 08:51:20 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 08:40:21 PM

Quote

Texas District 34
<1% reporting
CANDIDATE   PARTY   VOTES   PCT.
Ryan Rowley   Lib.    8,023   42.9%
Filemon Vela*   Dem.   6,666   35.7
Larry Smith   Rep.   4,004   21.4
* Incumbent

LIBERTARIAN MOMENT, WAVE ELECTION COMING

I'd ask you to hold me as freedom finally comes to the nation but I think it would be a NAP violation. :uguu

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 08:56:05 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:50:42 PM

I think Scott is gonna win FL. Shocking after the debate. Further evidence we should just trade that piece of shit state to the Cubans for coffee and cigars, though.

Broward county underperformed. stunned scott is in a position to win..

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 09:01:08 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 08:50:42 PM

I think Scott is gonna win FL. Shocking after the debate. Further evidence we should just trade that piece of shit state to the Cubans for coffee and cigars, though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnP5iDKwuwk

heavy urban areas still not in yet

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 09:04:29 PM

Michigan called for Peters and about to be for Snyder.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 09:05:43 PM

Greg Abbot rolled Wendy Davis :o

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2014, 09:07:23 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2014, 09:05:43 PM

Greg Abbot rolled Wendy Davis :o

Are you surprised?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 09:08:33 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2014, 09:05:43 PM

Greg Abbot rolled Wendy Davis :o

INSENSITIVE

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 09:12:17 PM

she never had a shot

run on abortion in Texas brehs

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 09:12:27 PM

Quote

Florida
Ballot Measures, November 4, 2014  Detailed Results

Medical marijuana
71.3% Reporting

Yes   
57.0%   
2,924,717

No   
43.0%   
2,202,824

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 09:12:41 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 09:08:33 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2014, 09:05:43 PM

Greg Abbot rolled Wendy Davis :o

INSENSITIVE

 :jawalrus

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 09:13:54 PM

GOP Senate pick up # 3 has happened in SD

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on November 04, 2014, 09:14:38 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 09:12:27 PM

Quote

Florida
Ballot Measures, November 4, 2014  Detailed Results

Medical marijuana
71.3% Reporting

Yes   
57.0%   
2,924,717

No   
43.0%   
2,202,824

57 percent and still not enough to pass

lol...

but it's still early

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2014, 09:15:25 PM

:drudge The GOP magic number is down to 3! Get the champagne ready! :drudge

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 09:18:40 PM

Iowa and Colorado will be the ones to watch.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 09:25:42 PM

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/529813002464534528

:dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 09:26:52 PM

:dead

he could have run for governor in MA and fucking won against Croakley  :lol

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 09:33:34 PM

That's too much work/responsibility for Senator Hunky- being a Senator is all about taking meaningless votes and campaigning, things he was good at.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 09:38:11 PM

Pretty sure Scott has this. Incredible. Floridians seriously don't deserve to be able to vote ever again.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 09:47:17 PM

:hitler
:hitler
:hitler
:hitler
:hitler
:hitler
:hitler :hitler :hitler :hitler :hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 09:51:44 PM

Holy shitballs.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/virignia-senate-race

Warner might barely win, might lose.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 09:54:47 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 09:51:44 PM

Holy shitballs.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/virignia-senate-race

Warner might barely win, might lose.

no one saw this coming, he was in the poll closes he wins column

and Scott won?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 09:55:29 PM

 Gardner wins in CO. Game over folks.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 09:57:18 PM

Republicans vote

Liberals talk

Better get that shit fixed Brehs...

Good game.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 09:57:52 PM

Terri Lynn Land refusing to speak to media, may not concede until tomorrow.  :heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:02:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 09:57:18 PM

Republicans vote

Liberals talk

Better get that shit fixed Brehs...

Good game.

Dude you should've seen the "get out and vote!" effort in California. I had no less than 4 democratic canvasers stop by my house in the last 2 weeks to make sure I got up and voted....of course, this was California....in a deeply blue part of California.....with no risk of turning red.....makes you wonder if perhaps they should have sent some of those guys to more red parts of the state.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2014, 10:03:29 PM

Oh cool, so nothing will happen in congress for two more years?  K.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:05:08 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 10:03:29 PM

Oh cool, so nothing will happen in congress for two more years?  K.

get ready for a corporate tax cuts and bad trade deals. Obama might even give them chained CPI.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:09:07 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 09:57:18 PM

Republicans vote

Liberals talk

Better get that shit fixed Brehs...

Good game.

Democrat != liberal, not necessarily

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:12:05 PM

See issue is it's no longer cool to vote democrat. You're feeling the frustration of a large amount of college grads who got nothing from this president but a chance to spend more quality time with mom and dad.

Make all the excuses you want...Obama killed y'all.

Better get them pizzas and new i-phones ready for 2016.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 10:15:22 PM

Quote

King George County
100% reporting
CANDIDATE      VOTES   PCT.
Robert Sarvis   L   4,745   41.8%
Ed Gillespie   R   4,140   36.5
Mark Warner*   D   2,455   21.6
* Incumbent

LIBERTARIAN MOMENT CONTINUES

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 10:15:41 PM

Did Republicans have the same reaction after cleaning up in a midterm in 2010? Oh dios mio, gonna be funny in 2016 again...

:neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:16:05 PM

 :lol

I wish you were here in 2010 AiA, I can see it now.

"Good riddance liberals. 2012 will be the end of your chapter."
 :umad

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 10:16:18 PM

Perdue seems to have avoided a runoff in GA
Roberts winning in KS

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:18:37 PM

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/11/04/election-results-california-november-4-2014-updated-live

I'm going to be watching this.

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/houston/article/Polls-open-for-the-midterm-election-5868589.php

Abbott won.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:20:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:16:05 PM

:lol

I wish you were here in 2010 AiA, I can see it now.

"Good riddance liberals. 2012 will be the end of your chapter."
 :umad

Nobody likes your president outside of neckbeards, pseudointellectuals, and the bottom 5% who actually believe he gives a shit about them the other 364 days a year.

We have shitty candidates but even with that Hilary won't win big.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:21:12 PM

It's not a question of whether Hillary will win, but rather by how much.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:22:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:20:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:16:05 PM

:lol

I wish you were here in 2010 AiA, I can see it now.

"Good riddance liberals. 2012 will be the end of your chapter."
 :umad

Nobody likes your president outside of neckbeards, pseudointellectuals, and the bottom 5% who actually believe he gives a shit about them the other 364 days a year.

We have shitty candidates but even with that Hilary won't win big.

interesting his numbers have increased recently.

2016...here you go
http://www.270towin.com/

Find me a path to 270 for a republican. Hillary will do better than Obama's 2012 performance based on her race alone.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:22:41 PM

Ah...and as he is currently trending...a lame duck congress should barack's approval level at roughly -2% come 2016.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 10:23:11 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:21:12 PM

It's not a question of whether Hillary will win, but rather by how much.

Warren going to do a run in. bank on it

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:23:51 PM

Republicans seem to be hell bent on suggesting this Obama and the Democrats' fault, ignoring that previous mid term elections have similar results, and we saw what happened in 2012. On the other hand, Dems saw what happened in 2012 and are hellbent on rubbing in the face of Republicans that they won't win in 2016.

It's ridiculous and if weren't it so predictable, hilarious.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:24:00 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2014, 10:23:11 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:21:12 PM

It's not a question of whether Hillary will win, but rather by how much.

Warren going to do a run in. bank on it

I'd vote for her, but I'm a filthy socialist.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:24:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:22:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:20:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:16:05 PM

:lol

I wish you were here in 2010 AiA, I can see it now.

"Good riddance liberals. 2012 will be the end of your chapter."
 :umad

Nobody likes your president outside of neckbeards, pseudointellectuals, and the bottom 5% who actually believe he gives a shit about them the other 364 days a year.

We have shitty candidates but even with that Hilary won't win big.

interesting his numbers have increased recently.

2016...here you go
http://www.270towin.com/

Find me a path to 270 for a republican. Hillary will do better than Obama's 2012 performance based on her race alone.

Lose like a man.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:24:56 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2014, 10:23:11 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:21:12 PM

It's not a question of whether Hillary will win, but rather by how much.

Warren going to do a run in. bank on it

Not happening.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:27:03 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 10:23:51 PM

Republicans seem to be hell bent on suggesting this Obama and the Democrats' fault, ignoring that previous mid term elections have similar results, and we saw what happened in 2012. On the other hand, Dems saw what happened in 2012 and are hellbent on rubbing in the face of Republicans that they won't win in 2016.

It's ridiculous and if weren't it so predictable, hilarious.

Lose like a woman.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:27:11 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:22:41 PM

Ah...and as he is currently trending...a lame duck congress should barack's approval level at roughly -2% come 2016.

Not with republicans auditioning for 2016+economy continuing to improve. If Obama sinks further it'll be due to foreign policy IMO. Republicans will have to get some stuff done in the next two years and Obama will get the credit, ala Bill Clinton.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2014, 10:28:12 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 10:18:37 PM

http://www.laweekly.com/informer/2014/11/04/election-results-california-november-4-2014-updated-live

I'm going to be watching this.

Hoping for one-party rule again. The California GOP should never win another election of relevance.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:29:03 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:27:03 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 10:23:51 PM

Republicans seem to be hell bent on suggesting this Obama and the Democrats' fault, ignoring that previous mid term elections have similar results, and we saw what happened in 2012. On the other hand, Dems saw what happened in 2012 and are hellbent on rubbing in the face of Republicans that they won't win in 2016.

It's ridiculous and if weren't it so predictable, hilarious.

Lose like a woman.

What? I'm laughing at both sides in this thread right now. This isn't a huge blow to me because I'm not going to be in Texas next year anyways, and this result was expected weeks ago. California will allow me the option to vote and volunteer for a party I actually believe in. :hitler So no feelings caught over here. I'm not a Democrat, AIA.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 10:29:09 PM

Ernst in Iowa projected to win by local news stations.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 10:29:35 PM

Warner ahead in VA now, probably safe. Hagan not trending well in NC, though.

I must say I've never seen a black man celebrate the voting habits of old racist white people so enthusiastically!

:heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:31:03 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 10:29:35 PM

Warner ahead in VA now, probably safe. Hagan not trending well in NC, though.

I must say I've never seen a black man celebrate the voting habits of old racist white people so enthusiastically!

:heh

Oh the racist card....classy bro.

:goty

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Sausage on November 04, 2014, 10:32:59 PM

Stan for people who view you like dirt breh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 10:33:11 PM

You gonna pretend like a lot of the fear mongering, birther shit, DOESN'T play on those fears?

:comeon

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on November 04, 2014, 10:34:05 PM

It's okay, AIA, I also want to work for Stormfront

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:34:19 PM

Quote from: Sausage on November 04, 2014, 10:32:59 PM

Stan for people who view you like dirt breh

Be a racist and attack my political opinions because of my color bro. Fuck you.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:34:59 PM

nothing wrong with being a black conservative. being a black tea partier tho...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: deepest throat on November 04, 2014, 10:35:21 PM

(http://abload.de/img/ripclawerrsq5.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:35:56 PM

AIA, why are you a conservative? Just wanna know what about them appeals to you.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:36:53 PM

Man take one L and I get called an uncle tom, a klansman, and a tea partier?

Listen to  yourselves..

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:37:20 PM

BTW I need a good avatar to give a liberal who lost a bet to me. Suggestions pls

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:37:45 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 10:35:56 PM

AIA, why are you a conservative? Just wanna know what about them appeals to you.

I wish to protect what is mine. I trust them to do so more than liberals.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:38:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:37:20 PM

BTW I need a good avatar to give a liberal who lost a bet to me. Suggestions pls

Reagan.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on November 04, 2014, 10:38:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:37:20 PM

BTW I need a good avatar to give a liberal who lost a bet to me. Suggestions pls

Senator Turtle

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 10:39:45 PM

Pfft, you guys are letting the liberal off easy.

Cheney, obviously.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:40:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:36:53 PM

Man take one L and I get called an uncle tom, a klansman, and a tea partier?

Listen to  yourselves..

I didn't say you were a tea partier. Just that I'd be more apt to question a black tea partier, given that many of the stances are diametrically opposed to historical black issues/issues. Like, you know, the Civil Rights Act.

You're good in my book AiA. Not a bible thumper, supports progressive taxation. You can be my OG still.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:41:58 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:37:45 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 10:35:56 PM

AIA, why are you a conservative? Just wanna know what about them appeals to you.

I wish to protect what is mine. I trust them to do so more than liberals.

what do you mean by that? money?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 10:42:04 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 04, 2014, 10:41:06 PM

Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd?

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

 :whew

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: deepest throat on November 04, 2014, 10:42:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:37:20 PM

BTW I need a good avatar to give a liberal who lost a bet to me. Suggestions pls

(http://abload.de/img/mitch_mcconnell_thumbgoub0.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:42:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:40:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 10:36:53 PM

Man take one L and I get called an uncle tom, a klansman, and a tea partier?

Listen to  yourselves..

I didn't say you were a tea partier. Just that I'd be more apt to question a black tea partier, given that many of the stances are diametrically opposed to historical black issues/issues. Like, you know, the Civil Rights Act.

You're good in my book AiA. Not a bible thumper, supports progressive taxation. You can be my OG still.

Hate them tea biggots.

Sausages racist ass can suck my dick though. That shit ain't cool.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 10:43:23 PM

gwad damn.. Walker went beast mode.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1pfUT5IYAAgY3c.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:44:07 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 04, 2014, 10:41:06 PM

Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd?

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

even better

(http://www.landoverbaptist.org/2008/july/jessehelms2.jpg)

someone pls turn that into a GAF approved avatar (dimensions wise)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 10:44:31 PM

:dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on November 04, 2014, 10:45:03 PM

It's beautiful

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:49:00 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/YGhVrYH.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:50:32 PM

thank you :heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 10:55:34 PM

post the gaf reaction in the gaf thread.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 10:56:43 PM

He seems to be hiding, he hasn't posted in awhile  :lol

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: El Babua on November 04, 2014, 10:58:19 PM

I just wanted Rick Scott to lose, and his Voldemort looking ass pulled out.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 10:58:21 PM

Man, I didn't truly realize just how far deep PollinGAF was into delusion looking at the % some of the people they've been hyping over the last three months are getting.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:58:39 PM

Even money says there'll be a ban message saying "Confederate Flag? Aunt Jemima? Quit shitting things up." coming in the future shortly.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:00:08 PM

Dax is also nowhere to be seen. Gave me shit for months due to my prediction that Hagan would lose in NC. And lo and behold it looks like she's going to lose.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:02:20 PM

President Walker and Vice President Martinez both have won their states it seems.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 11:04:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:00:08 PM

Dax is also nowhere to be seen. Gave me shit for months due to my prediction that Hagan would lose in NC. And lo and behold it looks like she's going to lose.

you should call her out.
"You had your prediction. But mine's better."

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:04:48 PM

Republican Governor candidates now up in Colorado, Kansas, Illinois, Michigan, MARYLAND, Connecticut, not to mention Rick Scott's win. Them plus Walker were all supposed to be getting their asses handed to them like two weeks ago.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 11:04:55 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:02:20 PM

President Walker and Vice President Martinez both have won their states it seems.

 :whoo

Walker is battle tested and martinez the minority vote... nicely done.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:09:39 PM

2014: It's the Pollsters fault, they gave us false hope! Especially since we had to unskew their polls!

 :hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 11:10:56 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 10:24:56 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2014, 10:23:11 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 04, 2014, 10:21:12 PM

It's not a question of whether Hillary will win, but rather by how much.

Warren going to do a run in. bank on it

Not happening.

Still holding out for the Warren/Sanders ticket.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:14:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/jwSWVXw.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 04, 2014, 11:18:55 PM

Jesus- the Governors thing is crazy to me, but whatever. I'm just gonna stay drunk for a couple years and hope things turn around.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2014, 11:19:25 PM

Christ AIA is the worst poster on this board

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 11:20:03 PM

What's the over/under for filibusters in the next two years?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:22:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 11:20:03 PM

What's the over/under for filibusters in the next two years?

not many considering Obama will be vetoing shit?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:23:03 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:19:25 PM

Christ AIA is the worst poster on this board

Another cheap shot. The poor sports amongst you keep coming out of the woodwork.

It's politics...Let us have our one damn day..

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:24:32 PM

Coakley won Nantucket by exactly 100 votes. What does this mean for Sandpiper Air?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 11:24:34 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:19:25 PM

Christ AIA is the worst poster on this board

:beli

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:24:39 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2014, 11:20:03 PM

What's the over/under for filibusters in the next two years?

Maybe 1 you guys don't really need to.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:26:13 PM

The Maryland loss is blowing my mind.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2014, 11:29:09 PM

holy shit, Tillis won via AP

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:29:11 PM

Quote

Voting suppression was also in full effect. That Al Jazeera article will open everyone's eyes.

:jawalrus

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:29:57 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137406019&postcount=3034

 :dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 04, 2014, 11:30:35 PM

At least I can smoke away the rest of the election. Oh and go Merkley.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:31:30 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137406019&postcount=3034
be a political expert, brehs

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:31:47 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:29:57 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137406019&postcount=3034

 :dead

:dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:34:15 PM

Warner race is still biggest surprise of the night for me. I thought GOP might have an outside chance at running the table to 54 seats but never thought Warner would barely survive after the 2008 bloodbath. I bet that really puts a kick in his 2016 teeth.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:35:53 PM

http://www.vox.com/2014/11/4/7158565/mark-udall-nsa-cory-gardner

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

You have more excuses than Obama has. And that's saying something.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 04, 2014, 11:38:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

You have more excuses than Obama has. And that's saying something.

He's not wrong though. I think he was just making an observation.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:40:38 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 11:38:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

You have more excuses than Obama has. And that's saying something.

He's not wrong though. I think he was just making an observation.

It's cyclical. This one is significant harsher than most though. Dems have a lot of work to do.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:43:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:40:38 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 11:38:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

You have more excuses than Obama has. And that's saying something.

He's not wrong though. I think he was just making an observation.

It's cyclical. This one is significant harsher than most though. Dems have a lot of work to do.

No they don't, when the electoral college continues to tilt their way. You keep saying the same thing and not backing it up.

More bad news for republicans: the next Census will be held during a general election year.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2014, 11:52:59 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=137408788&postcount=2092
 :heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:55:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:43:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:40:38 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 11:38:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

You have more

 excuses than Obama has. And that's saying something.

He's not wrong though. I think he was just making an observation.

It's cyclical. This one is significant harsher than most though. Dems have a lot of work to do.

No they don't, when the electoral college continues to tilt their way. You keep saying the same thing and not backing it up.

More bad news for republicans: the next Census will be held during a general election year.

You lost Colorado and Iowa dude...what do you mean "back it up?"

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Atramental on November 04, 2014, 11:57:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:43:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:40:38 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 11:38:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

You have more excuses than Obama has. And that's saying something.

He's not wrong though. I think he was just making an observation.

It's cyclical. This one is significant harsher than most though. Dems have a lot of work to do.

No they don't, when the electoral college continues to tilt their way. You keep saying the same thing and not backing it up.

More bad news for republicans: the next Census will be held during a general election year.

Latino voters.  :phil

*frotando las manos juntas*

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:59:52 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:55:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2014, 11:43:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:40:38 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 04, 2014, 11:38:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 04, 2014, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:35:45 PM

Midterm voters are so much different than regular general voters

You have more

 excuses than Obama has. And that's saying something.

He's not wrong though. I think he was just making an observation.

It's cyclical. This one is significant harsher than most though. Dems have a lot of work to do.

No they don't, when the electoral college continues to tilt their way. You keep saying the same thing and not backing it up.

More bad news for republicans: the next Census will be held during a general election year.

You lost Colorado and Iowa dude...what do you mean "back it up?"

Lower Hispanic turnout in Colorado on an off year election? Iowa rejecting a guy who literally denigrated farmers?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 12:01:59 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 05, 2014, 12:01:00 AM

Davis down 21%, a loss so staggering she's probably done for good.

Simply having a wonderful Christmas time.

I just donated $50 to Planned Parenthood with the note "please only use this on abortions"

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2014, 12:02:02 AM

Davis down by 21% is so ridiculous.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: thisismyusername on November 05, 2014, 12:03:43 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:19:25 PM

Christ AIA is the worst poster on this board

Not when Squiddy/Methodis post here. No.

I don't get why he supports a party that has shown they don't have his interests in mind due to his race in general, but I can't blame him for it. Just like I can't blame "log-cabin republicans" for viewing things like the crazies in the GOP despite them having a venomous hate toward the log-cabins (of course this is slowly breaking).

Also AIA: Himu's comment was more "why are you conservative" more than "why do you support the GOP." At least that's how I read it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 12:08:31 AM

Sam Brownback won re-election
:dead

complete wipe out.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 12:11:08 AM

And Orman's losing by almost ten points.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 05, 2014, 12:13:44 AM

The Assets dropping topical dialog in this episode. :whew

"What makes this [TV] better than the other ones in the store?"
"Nothing really."
"Why do you have so many?"
"Americans like choice."
"Choice? One TV, another TV? Reagan? Carter? They are all the same. Democracy is an illusion, a masque to deceive the proletariat into thinking they have free will."

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is a Soviet defector ethering Ameriduh BTW. :whew

[close]

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 12:24:07 AM

2006 and 2012, I voted, Democrats won big.
2010 and 2014, I didn't vote, Republicans won big.

Yet, the data is incomplete. 2008, I didn't vote and Democrats won big. 2004, I voted and Republicans won big.

More research funding is needed.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 12:26:40 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 12:24:07 AM

2006 and 2012, I voted, Democrats won big.
2010 and 2014, I didn't vote, Republicans won big.

Yet, the data is incomplete. 2008, I didn't vote and Democrats won big. 2004, I voted and Republicans won big.

More research funding is needed.

Govt funding while Republicans have control of Congress?

:ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2014, 12:34:53 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 12:08:31 AM

Sam Brownback won re-election
:dead

complete wipe out.

Reelect the governor who is literally destroying your state, brehs.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 12:49:13 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/battle-for-the-senate-how-the-gop-did-it/2014/11/04/a8df6f7a-62c7-11e4-bb14-4cfea1e742d5_story.html

Quote

After years of tension between President Obama and his former Senate colleagues, trust between Democrats at both ends of Pennsylvania Avenue had eroded. A fight between the White House and Senate Democrats over a relatively small sum of money had mushroomed into a major confrontation.

At a March 4 Oval Office meeting, Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.) and other Senate leaders pleaded with Obama to transfer millions in party funds and to also help raise money for an outside group. “We were never going to get on the same page,” said David Krone, Reid’s chief of staff. “We were beating our heads against the wall.”

The tension represented something more fundamental than money — it was indicative of a wider resentment among Democrats in the Capitol of how the president was approaching the election and how, they felt, he was dragging them down. All year on the trail, Democratic incumbents would be pounded for administration blunders beyond their control — the disastrous rollout of the health-care law, problems at the Department of Veterans Affairs, immigrant children crossing the border, Islamic State terrorism and fears about Ebola.

As these issues festered, many Senate Democrats would put the onus squarely on the president — and they were keeping their distance from him.

...

Senate Democrats calculated that to win in red states, they also had to alter the midterm electorate.

“There’s basically two Americas — there’s midterm America and there’s presidential-year America,” White House senior adviser Dan Pfeiffer said. “They’re almost apples and oranges. The question was, could Obama voters become Democratic voters?”

Another question hung over the party, as well: Could the White House and Democrats on Capitol Hill work together?

...

Obama told his team that his No. 1 political goal was to keep the Senate under Democratic control. “He was very focused on that,” said a senior White House official. “We made a decision to be pretty deferential to the candidates and the campaign committee about how to go about doing that.”

But what the White House saw as deference and support, Senate Democrats viewed as “lip service,” in the words of Krone.

This past Sunday, two days before Election Day, Krone sat at a mahogany conference table in the majority leader’s stately suite just off the Senate floor and shared with Washington Post reporters his notes of White House meetings. Reid’s top aide wanted to show just how difficult he thought it had been to work with the White House.

With Democrats under assault from Republican super-PAC ads, Reid and his lieutenants, Sens. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) and Richard J. Durbin (D-Ill.), went to the Oval Office on March 4 to ask Obama for help. They wanted him to transfer millions of dollars from the Democratic National Committee to the DSCC, a relatively routine transaction.

Beyond that, they had a more provocative request — they wanted Obama to help raise money for the Senate Majority PAC, an outside group run by former Reid advisers.

Despite his deep aversion to super PACs, Obama in early 2012 reluctantly sanctioned Priorities USA, a super PAC set up to back his reelection, and allowed White House and campaign officials to appear at the group’s fundraisers. But Reid and Senate Democrats thought the president was not giving the same level of support for Senate Majority PAC.

Lawyers negotiated for months over legal minutia, with Obama’s counselors insisting that the president appear only as a guest and do no donor solicitation, which would have violated federal law. After Obama appeared at two Senate Majority PAC events — June 17 in New York and July 22 in Seattle — the president’s lawyers demanded that no staffer follow up with the donors for at least seven days.

These contingencies were so strict, Krone argued, that it would be fruitless to involve the president at all. “They were setting the rules as they saw fit,” he said. “For some reason, they hid behind a lot of legal issues.”

The White House maintains that it was prudent in protecting the presidency and avoid any appearances of a quid pro quo. The senior White House official voiced displeasure with Senate Majority PAC’s methods: “They were calling Obama donors who we had long relationships with and making asks that annoyed the donors.”

The disagreements underscored a long-held contention on Capitol Hill that Obama’s political operation functioned purely for the president’s benefit and not for his party’s, although Obama allies note that the president shared with the Senate campaigns his massive lists of volunteer data and supporters’ e-mail addresses, considered by his advisers to be sacred documents.

All year, Obama traveled frequently to raise money for the party. On June 17, White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough offered to increase Obama’s appearances at DSCC fundraisers and to give donors access to the president through a “Dinner with Barack” contest and high-dollar roundtable discussions.

But Krone said McDonough told him there would be no cash transfer to the DSCC, because the DNC still had to retire its 2012 debt. On Sept. 9, Reid pressured Obama to take out a loan at the DNC to fund a DSCC transfer, Krone said. The DNC did open a line of credit and sent the DSCC a total of $5 million, beginning with $500,000 on Sept. 15 and following with $1.5 million installments on Sept. 30, Oct. 15 and Oct. 24.

“I don’t think that the political team at the White House truly was up to speed and up to par doing what needed to get done,” Krone said.

The feeling about Krone in the West Wing was mutual. Although married to Alyssa Mastromonaco, one of Obama’s closest aides until she left in March, Krone was seen as an antagonist. He acknowledged that was his prescribed part: “Guy [Cecil] could be a good cop, and I was the bad cop.”

The senior White House official said, “David was complicating things significantly in our ability to work with the Senate.” The official said a “fundamental game changer” that “broke trust” came in August, when a story in the New York Times included unflattering details about the president from an Oval Office meeting. White House officials, famous for their loathing of leaks, believed Krone was behind the story.

Krone said that the White House “likes to cast aspersions and point fingers at us.”

“No member of the Democratic caucus screwed up the rollout of that health-care Web site,” Krone added, “yet they paid the price — every one of them.”

Exasperating matters was Obama’s Oct. 2 speech in Chicago, in which he handed every Republican admaker fresh material that fit perfectly with their message: “I am not on the ballot this fall. . . . But make no mistake — these policies are on the ballot, every single one of them.”

“It took about 12 seconds for every reporter, every race, half of the Obama world to say that was probably not the right thing to say,” said a senior Democratic official.

It was so problematic that many Democrats wondered whether Obama meant to say it. He did. “It is amazing that it was in the speech,” the official said. “It wasn’t ad-libbed.”

It was just the kind of unforced error that Republican leaders had worked all year to avoid.

...

Meanwhile, the Braley campaign had problems. With each of his missteps — a gaffe about towel service at the House gym, hostile questioning of witnesses in committee hearings and a local fracas over a neighbor’s roaming chickens — Braley caused heartburn in Washington.

When the chicken incident became public, Reid called and said, “Bruce, look, you just have to be smarter than this — or you’re going to lose,” according to Krone. Schumer, the party’s message maven, called Braley repeatedly to help him become more disciplined.

“Braley listens for a minute and then sort of just continues back on his merry way,” said a senior Democratic official. “He’s not a good politician, which may seem like a compliment but it’s not. . . . He comes across as arrogant, and I think it’s because he is.”

...

Next, Democrats turned to Alison Lundergan Grimes, Kentucky’s youthful secretary of state. Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton, longtime friends of Grimes’s father, Jerry Lundergan, called Grimes repeatedly, encouraging her. After some initial trepidation, she was in.

Although Grimes exhibited strength as a candidate, Democrats in Washington thought her campaign was troublesome. Lundergan, a former state Democratic Party chairman and owner of a catering empire, ran the operation. Grimes prioritized staffers with local knowledge and rejected the national party’s recommendations on hires and advice about messaging.

Asked last week about the tensions, Lundergan said: “I’m not going to say anything about folks in Washington, D.C. That’s what we’re running against — Washington, D.C.”

Democrats who had been otherwise impressed with Grimes’s performance were agog at her refusal to say whether she voted for Obama in 2012. As a senior White House official said jokingly, “It would be interesting to have been an Obama delegate to the [2012] convention yet [to have] voted for Romney, but anything’s possible.”

In October, Cecil, who had last spoken with Grimes during a spring fundraising tour with female senators, decided the DSCC would stop running TV ads in Kentucky. The news did not sit well with Grimes, who called Reid and a number of female senators to protest. The following week, the DSCC went back on the air.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2014, 12:53:33 AM

California results: Californians, thoughts?

http://m.laweekly.com/informer/2014/11/04/election-results-california-november-4-2014-updated-live

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 05, 2014, 12:58:27 AM

Days like these where I'm glad to be a Seattleite.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 05, 2014, 12:59:24 AM

No real surprises
Brown wins easily.
The propositions fell where everyone expected.
I'm just happy Brown won. He's a great governor. Wish he could run again.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Hock on November 05, 2014, 01:02:40 AM

Haha, why do I even vote in Georgia? This state will never change.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 01:31:19 AM

Quote

Well gang, I'm checking out of politics for a while.

I'll pop in every now and then but goddamn was tonight demoralizing.

:usacry

R.I.P. PollinGAF.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 01:44:36 AM

Hillary Was Right.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 05, 2014, 03:02:38 AM

Can someone explain to me how I voted in the last presidential slash whateverthefuck last years election was and am now somehow not registered to vote?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 03:03:32 AM

Are you black?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on November 05, 2014, 03:47:49 AM

Are you poor?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 08:01:50 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 05, 2014, 12:03:43 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 04, 2014, 11:19:25 PM

Christ AIA is the worst poster on this board

Not when Squiddy/Methodis post here. No.

I don't get why he supports a party that has shown they don't have his interests in mind due to his race in general, but I can't blame him for it. Just like I can't blame "log-cabin republicans" for viewing things like the crazies in the GOP despite them having a venomous hate toward the log-cabins (of course this is slowly breaking).

Also AIA: Himu's comment was more "why are you conservative" more than "why do you support the GOP." At least that's how I read it.

I think that's a very slanted liberal viewpoint being fostered by the media. As a black man who has some assets, I look at what is best for my children, not myself.

My generation of moderate minority conservatives is right around the corner. We are more numerous than you think, and we have no issue with the gay population at all.

We want stricter laws against immigration.
We want more opportunities for the less privileged minorities that are earned, not given
We want the federal government to reduce taxes across the board, not just the rich
We want a stronger military
We want everything pegged to the dollar again
We want complete educational reform
Fuck highways, build better schools
We want more higher paying jobs created by tax relief and if need be, pegged to it.
We want small business to thrive again, bring back the mom and pop hardware stores we've lost the last 16 years

etc.

I am not George Bush. I don't want to be George Bush but I appreciate some of the things he worked towards.

TL/DR    Republicans in 2020 will start trending towards a middle viewpoint while liberals turn more and more into borderline communism. I don't need you to tell me how to live my life, I need you to protect my interests.


(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/i2JDLfkV_no/0.jpg)

We're here and we've been through more shit than you. And we aren't going away.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 08:23:51 AM

Connecticut holding that line (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/aqDwC.png),

unfortunately, that line is still Connecticut.  :goty2

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 08:35:09 AM

Quote from: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 08:23:51 AM

Connecticut holding that line (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/aqDwC.png),

unfortunately, that line is still Connecticut.  :goty2

:umad

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2014, 08:42:57 AM

All that time, money and effort spent in turning Walker, Brown and Kasich into villains and all three won thier elections.

Oops

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 08:43:37 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2014, 08:42:57 AM

All that time, money and effort spent in turning Walker, Brown and Kasich into villains and all three won thier elections.

Oops

(http://imgick.cleveland.com/home/cleve-media/width620/img/darcy/photo/16265364-mmmain.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:10:35 AM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 09:09:02 AM

:comeon if there is going to be any communism in america, it's sure not coming from the Democratic Party.

Sure it isn't.  Obama increased spying on his own citizens and turned the TSA into a form of federal enforcement (pulling people over on the highway, wtf?).....

But I suppose you will say "Oh bush started it" and you're right, but at least he told you about it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 09:13:26 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:10:35 AM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 09:09:02 AM

:comeon if there is going to be any communism in america, it's sure not coming from the Democratic Party.

turned the TSA into a form of federal enforcement (pulling people over on the highway, wtf?).....

a problem so widespread that even theblaze picked up on it

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:17:41 AM

So you see no issue with spying on your own citizens and having us need Snowden to find out?

You see no issue with the TSA acting as state owned highway enforcement?

You don't see how this effects your individual freedoms?

hmmmmm


In addition, socializing healthcare without taking the time to actually understand how it works wasn't a good idea.

PS: Your 280 dollar a month healthcare is about to jump up about 200% if you're in the unions...but that's cool right?

Also more people receive FEDERAL support than ever in history (even during the depression)  Someone under the thumb is less likely to speak out against impinged rights. That's just common sense.

I don't like it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:20:17 AM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 09:19:43 AM

Are you going to answer the question? Are those things communism?

They are definitely the path towards it, yes. And we sit here on our hands and let it happen.

Oh and you know what IS communism? How the federal government has fucked with the news outlets. Unbearable.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:25:39 AM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 09:23:22 AM

No, that's not communism either.

One just does not simply "go" communist. Roads must be paved first. Even you have to admit there are definitely some avenues that have been created that could be utilized to control personal freedoms.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 09:27:07 AM

slippery slope arguments, how "bush" league 

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:28:51 AM

Quote from: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 09:27:07 AM

slippery slope arguments, how "bush" league

Touche'

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:31:48 AM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 09:30:25 AM

:heh at any rate, I think the notion that the United States' Democratic Party will start drifting toward the abolishment of private property as an end by 2020 is a pretty ambitious prediction.

Why. they already are. Your cell phone calls are no longer personal.

Well, at least they told us.....Oh wait.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 09:39:55 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:31:48 AM

Your cell phone calls are no longer personal.

not sure what youre talking about, my obama phone works great  :yeshrug

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2014, 09:41:47 AM

Why do you want a stronger military, AIA? Our military is already strong enough and saps up tremendous amount of resources from other programs. I want America to cut the military budget in half, and funnel the rest towards education and science.

Mom and pop stores died not from the government but from competition.

I'm also not sure there as many minorities who represent your views as you think there are. At the very least, if there are, I don't think they'll be voting for the republicans. Who knows.

And right now, the democrats are really far away from communism. If anything, the democrats - to this socialist - are the moderates you crave. They're not perfect, but they're moderates. Especially Obama. The republicans in 2014 are far, far away from moderation or a centrist position. You realize this, yes? And it will only get worse.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2014, 09:54:51 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 09:31:48 AM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 09:30:25 AM

:heh at any rate, I think the notion that the United States' Democratic Party will start drifting toward the abolishment of private property as an end by 2020 is a pretty ambitious prediction.

Why. they already are. Your cell phone calls are no longer personal.

Well, at least they told us.....Oh wait.

The programs for spying were started under Bush. For a centrist surely you should realize that both parties have their hands dirty when it comes for this issue?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 05, 2014, 10:03:08 AM

argue with a conservative and expect coherent answers :ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 10:04:29 AM

lol @ AiA pretending the establishment GOP doesn't fully support the NSA and civil liberty abuses. Every subsequent president will be worse on this issue. Obama is worse than Bush on it, and Clinton will be worse than Obama. Hell, she's out here praising Henry Kissinger like it's funny.

The libertarians won't topple the establishment anytime soon. Rand Paul seems to be attempting to move towards the establishment - why is he doing that? He knows who controls the purse. Same reason he suddenly supports foreign aid to Israel.

The future of the GOP is more extremism. I'll predict the future for you. Congress will work together with Obama to get a few things done, thus infuriating the far right. Another "moderate" republican will win the nomination in 2016 and get shitcanned by Hillary. And republicans will spend the next two years going insane while claiming the party wasn't conservative enough.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2014, 10:16:13 AM

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on November 05, 2014, 10:09:21 AM

I'm foreign, what's your excuse?

Jon Stewart's excuse was that he moved recently and couldn't be bothered to figure out where his local polling place was.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2014, 10:24:08 AM

Once again solidifying Colbert superiority.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 05, 2014, 10:24:38 AM

So communistic my friends

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2014, 10:29:33 AM

Jon Stewart came out later on his show and said that he actually did vote and what he said earlier on CNN about not voting was just a flippant joke, so don't get so upset, guys. :neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2014, 10:44:47 AM

It's ok guys. Now that the gop has the majority in both houses, they have to govern. They can't sit back and do nothing and blame the dems anymore. They have to govern now and when the gop governs is when they are awful.
I'm glad Brownback won because now he gets to own it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Atramental on November 05, 2014, 10:53:18 AM

It's cute when people say that the US government is becoming more communist or at least socialist.  :heh

Live in a plutocracy where a good chunk of the population thinks the proletariat is bringing about communism, brehs. :goty2

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 11:22:32 AM

I could sort of understand basic ignorance about complex socioeconomic systems in the 80s, but it's 2014 breh. You can google "communism" on your smartphone and learn something in no time.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2014, 11:23:49 AM

Let's be honest, PD -- that's probably exactly what AIA did.  He just clicked on the wrong search result :noah

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 11:33:57 AM

Yeah, anyone who thinks the democrats are ushering in socialism or communism is actually dumb in a real, objective sense of the word dumb. 

Also Brownback :dead I can't even fathom how he was voted in again

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just kidding I can totally see why, see my first sentence

[close]

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2014, 11:47:42 AM

Quote from: Rand Paul

I think that yesterday was a repudiation of Hillary Clinton.

:heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2014, 11:55:30 AM

And here's the one chart that sums up the midterm:

(http://i.imgur.com/XZV5PPP.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:15:20 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 10:16:56 AM

Quote from: Big Jumbo on November 05, 2014, 10:03:08 AM

argue with a conservative and expect coherent answers :ufup

Not really, I just think it's healthy for people to be made fun of for using words they don't really know the meaning of.

(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/troll.png)

Oh my turn. I appreciate how intelligent and socially aware you are. It's just too bad you contribute nothing but "you should's" and "you shouldn't" to every conversation despite actually doing none of what you recommend.

Hey AiA you should help your people
I do, I run two charities and coach what do you do?
Play videogames, I have no time to or am I inclined to donate my money or time.
I see
I still help more than you because moral superiority breh

:lawd

How Pat Robertson of you.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2014, 12:17:40 PM

(http://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2014/05/Malchow_voter-turnout-by-age-cohort.png?zoom=1.5&resize=580%2C213)


It's interesting if you look at the voter turnout over the past 50 years and you can see the effect the baby boomers had as they moved through the age groups. They were raised with a greater sense of civic duty (plus had the spectre of Vietnam as they hit voting age). They started voting as young people and kept voting all through their lives.

You wonder what happens when the baby boomers die off and Gen X becomes 60+ years old. I don't think you'll see similar participation rates (unless things really go to shit).

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:20:28 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 12:17:57 PM

:rofl are you actually bragging to me about your charity work because I called you out on not knowing what communism is?

:ohhh and you know enough about me to assume I do no charity work?

I never said we were communistic. I said pathways are laid. You assume I think we'll be worshiping Stalin in 10 years. I don't like manipulation and we are chalk full of it. And again, the older conservatives want to control, not me.

I guess I really need my own party. The abortion is okay but fuck you taxes party.

Anyway as for contributing, just returning the favor since casting aspersions seems to be the thing today.

I also think you have a small penis.

 :jawalrus

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:21:04 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2014, 12:17:40 PM

(http://i2.wp.com/www.powerlineblog.com/admin/ed-assets/2014/05/Malchow_voter-turnout-by-age-cohort.png?zoom=1.5&resize=580%2C213)


It's interesting if you look at the voter turnout over the past 50 years and you can see the effect the baby boomers had as they moved through the age groups. They were raised with a greater since of civic duty (plus had the spectre of Vietnam as they hit voting age). They started voting as young people and kept voting all through their lives.

You wonder what happens when the baby boomers die off and Gen X becomes 60+ years old. I don't think you'll see similar participation rates (unless things really go to shit).

This is just depressing. Nobody votes but everybody wants to be heard.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 12:21:53 PM

remember this?

http://youtu.be/MNJdJbpj1GE   :sabu

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 12:25:00 PM

All my charity work is for abortion access charities :lawd

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:25:04 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 12:23:21 PM

No, you said that the democratic party (or leftists) are making overtures towards communism. I think that's hilariously wrong, given that they consistently make moves to support big business. Liberalism and communism are two separate ideologies, fundamentally.

No idea what has you thinking about my penis, but that's interesting.

LOL just being a dick.

Anyway, I believe they are. We are entitled to believe what we want.

Also how exactly are you helping corporations?.....Pay attention they are moving overseas in droves.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-21/eaton-expects-160-million-tax-savings-from-ireland-move.html

Fact is neither side is helping us maintain our market share at present.

That's not some little guy either, that's a strongside F500.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:29:36 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 12:28:20 PM

Corporations moving because of overhead and tax reasons doesn't mean the democratic party isn't highly tied up in corporate interests. I'm kind of surprised you're making this argument since Republicans typically like to point out areas where the dems and big business/corporate finance interests overlap.

Because I own a business?

And Federally and Locally democrats who is who I deal with, especially locally)  do their level best to make that as hard as possible. When Obamacare fully sets in (funny how that was after these mid-terms, but that's another discussion) I am probably going to have to lay off a few employees. My costs are going to skyrocket.

And 6% doesn't sound like a lot, but if your average margin of profit is 18%, one can see how that effects our bottom line.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:43:38 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 12:39:00 PM

But no matter how much you crank up the taxes and social problems,  that doesn't make you a communist. It's an attempt at using aspects of the market and state to address  income and class discrepancies. Thats still basically liberalism. communism addresses the problem of class strata by ending the concept of private property and making the means of production public.

I understand that. In order to facilitate this you need a collapse of the current system. Whether it be intentional or poor management. And trust me we are closer to collapse than we are to a surplus, unfortunately. People really don't understand that the middle class is holding on by threads now and those nice jobs aren't coming back quickly. And who really holds up this country? You got it, the middle class. 

It looks good on paper that Becky who use to make 60 grand a year at Corp X and then was laid off....went back to work at Corp T for 35,000 but it doesn't fix the problem. Becky's ecosystem of people she supported has now shrank.  And honestly we have shed so many middle class wages since Bush that the real problem in this country is reliance on government assistance from a whole segment who never had to previously which prohibits them spending on items that aren't necessity. The days of the 3 car family are about over.  This in turn causes shrinkage everywhere else...etc etc.

GM is a good example of this. Bad sales + poor management = Layoffs of people making decent living wages.

Not too mention we are flooding the market with overqualified applicants due to them staying in school to get a masters rather than seeking employment after graduation.

Hell the guy who does my law care has a master's degree. He can't find a job...and he's been looking for 3 years.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:51:01 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 12:48:42 PM

I have no doubt that taxation and labor laws affect the rate of job creation in this country. That said, I'm not that tied up about it since automation is going to lay the axe to most of those jobs anyway, just a matter of time :yeshrug I also do not own a business.

We need to push to more tech oriented business models but retraining those over 40 would be a cost that even our printing money government could not sustain.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 12:54:20 PM

Eschalon...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URQ1eiatMEI

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 12:55:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 12:54:20 PM

Esch...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URQ1eiatMEI

PD

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEX57o9G0Ow

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2014, 01:11:58 PM

Not a fan of these personal attacks. Especially on Esch who is just trying to argue the point that America isn't turning into a communist state.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 01:17:03 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 05, 2014, 01:11:58 PM

Not a fan of these personal attacks. Especially on Esch who is just trying to argue the point that America isn't turning into a communist state.

They were made tongue and cheek sir. You'll see somewhere where I reference that. I like everybody here (except Squiddy, oh hell even squiddy)

I don't take politics personally.

Now football 

 :beli :beli

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 02:15:49 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-were-skewed-toward-democrats/

Which one of you guys were spouting republican poll bias?


:umad

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 05, 2014, 02:58:33 PM

America, where people vote for legal pot, abortion access, higher minimum wages... And republican representation?


 :lol wut

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 03:00:22 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 02:15:49 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-polls-were-skewed-toward-democrats/

Which one of you guys were spouting republican poll bias?


:umad

sheeeit once nate silver says it, it's pretty much a done deal

me on poligaf in early september
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128333717&postcount=17696


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128335772&postcount=17699

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128345873&postcount=17705
:umad

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 05, 2014, 03:06:47 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on November 05, 2014, 02:58:33 PM

America, where people vote for legal pot, abortion access, higher minimum wages... And republican representation?


 :lol wut

last election the dems had 1/3 more votes cast for them, but repubs still got more seats. gerrymandering yall.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 03:12:25 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128387231&postcount=17742  :patel

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:14:39 PM

Quote from: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 03:12:25 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128387231&postcount=17742  :patel

I imagine he's somewhere right now softly crying into his 1 dollar mcdonalds coffee while cursing out voters in North Carolina.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2014, 03:38:39 PM

When the new Senate convenes and Yertle the Turtle gets Ted Cruz's premission to be in change, Mitt Romney still ain't gonna be president. :patel

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 03:39:02 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:14:39 PM

Quote from: sarslip on November 05, 2014, 03:12:25 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=128387231&postcount=17742  :patel

I imagine he's somewhere right now softly crying into his 1 dollar mcdonalds coffee while cursing out voters in North Carolina.

i liked the post, but im still a combo  :fbm :umad right now

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2014, 03:39:28 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 05, 2014, 10:44:47 AM

It's ok guys. Now that the gop has the majority in both houses, they have to govern. They can't sit back and do nothing and blame the dems anymore. They have to govern now and when the gop governs is when they are awful.
I'm glad Brownback won because now he gets to own it.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/rush-limbaugh-admits-gop-elected-to-stop-obama-not-govern/

Elected to not govern.
(http://i.imgur.com/dT6zZCB.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 05, 2014, 03:45:14 PM

Quote from: Pineapple Sauce on November 05, 2014, 02:58:33 PM

America, where people vote for legal pot, abortion access, higher minimum wages... And republican representation?


 :lol wut

Well it's like America is made up of 50 different countries so I makes sense

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 03:46:56 PM

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state :dead

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:48:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 03:46:56 PM

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state :dead

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Come on man. It gets damn tiring that people who receive some edification by simply regurgitating talking points continue to think we conservatives are some goddamn cavemen.

Protip: Nobody is impressed you watch a lot of CNN or read the USA today.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2014, 03:51:06 PM

good christ

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:53:27 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 05, 2014, 03:51:06 PM

good christ

100 bucks says if I ever came across you in public you couldn't name 15 senators. This intellectual superiority bullshit reminds me of my little girl when she fights with my son.

I'm right I'm right nah nah
*gets proven wrong
I'm right I'm right nah nah

On the bright side I finally found somebody on here I have no use for. So at least I have that going for me.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 05, 2014, 03:54:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:48:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 03:46:56 PM

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state :dead

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Come on man. It gets damn tiring that people who receive some edification by simply regurgitating talking points continue to think we conservatives are some goddamn cavemen.

Protip: Nobody is impressed you watch a lot of CNN or read the USA today.

given your posts in this thread today I think you could really go for doing a better job of following the news

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:56:11 PM

Quote from: Big Jumbo on November 05, 2014, 03:54:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:48:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 03:46:56 PM

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state :dead

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Come on man. It gets damn tiring that people who receive some edification by simply regurgitating talking points continue to think we conservatives are some goddamn cavemen.

Protip: Nobody is impressed you watch a lot of CNN or read the USA today.

given your posts in this thread today I think you could really go for doing a better job of following the news

BRB checking your contributions...oh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Positive Touch on November 05, 2014, 04:01:15 PM

....yeeeeah ok dude

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 04:03:20 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 03:48:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 03:46:56 PM

I was just listening to people who voted for Brownback in Kansas being interveiwed.  Not a single one had any idea what was going in their state :dead

That's basically what the rest of the red states are going to look like soon.

Come on man. It gets damn tiring that people who receive some edification by simply regurgitating talking points continue to think we conservatives are some goddamn cavemen.

Protip: Nobody is impressed you watch a lot of CNN or read the USA today.

So when someone is asked if they voted for Brownback because they thought his policies were working and they say "I voted for him because he's a patriot, a christian, and a family man" without even skipping a beat I'm supposed to think, gee, I'm pretty hopeful for the state of Kansas and other states that are enacting similar policies.  Or am I supposed to think wtf these people are fucking idiots.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2014, 04:26:32 PM

It's because fox news doesn't tell Kansans that their local government now runs a $700M deficit so it must not be true.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:36:17 PM

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 05, 2014, 04:51:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:36:17 PM

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

Same time as anyone, when it benefits their political message

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 05:10:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/dYo6TVx.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: milchs evil twin on November 05, 2014, 05:38:03 PM

I can't get over how much "Mia Love" sounds like a porn star name.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 05:46:10 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 05:10:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/dYo6TVx.gif)

We all knew who took the biggest loss last night, the libertarians :ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 05:54:49 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/11/ed_fitzgerald_lost_governors_r.html#incart_m-rpt-1

:lawd

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 06:27:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2014, 05:46:10 PM

We all knew who took the biggest loss last night, the libertarians :ufup

like they had anything to lose  :heh

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gotta wait on the popular vote, I think they might have beat the 1.6%/1.7% records and possibly even cracked 2% :holeup

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 06:29:37 PM

Quote from: milchs evil twin on November 05, 2014, 05:38:03 PM

I can't get over how much "Mia Love" sounds like a porn star name.

http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=MiaLove/gender=f/Mia-Love.htm

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 06:32:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 05:54:49 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2014/11/ed_fitzgerald_lost_governors_r.html#incart_m-rpt-1

:lawd

Yea...he was never going to win after the cheating bombshell.

Gotta say Kaish...2016 contender? Yea he had re-election handed to him due to scandal but he hasn't been as extremist as I assumed. He fought to get the Medicaid expansion done in Ohio, even going behind the back of the legislators to do it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2014, 06:32:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:36:17 PM

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 06:37:21 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2014, 06:32:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:36:17 PM

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

Sure. And yet we have all the money. Wonder why you smart guys never seem to have any.....

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 06:38:17 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2014, 06:32:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:36:17 PM

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

True. Worse yet a massive state deficit is substantially different from a massive national deficit. Kansas can't print more money, nor do they have the biggest economy in the world.

300m revenue shortfall. Get ready for unprecedented public school shutdowns!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 06:39:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 06:37:21 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2014, 06:32:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:36:17 PM

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

Sure. And yet we have all the money. Wonder why you smart guys never seem to have any.....

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/images/news/Warren-Buffett.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 06:40:11 PM

We really need a trollbron face

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2014, 06:44:34 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 06:37:21 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2014, 06:32:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 04:36:17 PM

Since when do liberals give a shit about deficits?
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

despite the troll, i'll go ahead and note that there is a difference between mild to moderate concern and shrieky eschatological panicking. nuance has never been a slat in the modern cultural conservative soapbox.

Sure. And yet we have all the money. Wonder why you smart guys never seem to have any.....

my dumpster's gilded as FUCK, brony.   :yeshrug

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 06:45:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 06:32:04 PM

Gotta say Kaish...2016 contender? Yea he had re-election handed to him due to scandal but he hasn't been as extremist as I assumed. He fought to get the Medicaid expansion done in Ohio, even going behind the back of the legislators to do it.

I assume he'll do better than the last time he ran for President.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 06:39:27 PM

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/images/news/Warren-Buffett.jpg)

Gross, there's crony capitalist all over the thread now.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 06:45:34 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 06:43:39 PM

Yeah clearly Drinky is a broke boy

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:comeon

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That's why I said it.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/05/politics/midterm-historic-firsts-new-congress/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

:hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 06:46:32 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 06:43:39 PM

Yeah clearly Drinky is a broke boy

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:comeon

[close]

You can only stack paper on a sinking ship for so long
(http://i.imgur.com/OzJ8phf.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 05, 2014, 06:48:33 PM

Just because

Whole thread "GOP hates black people"

http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/05/politics/midterm-historic-firsts-new-congress/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

:goty2

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 06:53:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 06:45:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2014, 06:32:04 PM

Gotta say Kaish...2016 contender? Yea he had re-election handed to him due to scandal but he hasn't been as extremist as I assumed. He fought to get the Medicaid expansion done in Ohio, even going behind the back of the legislators to do it.

I assume he'll do better than the last time he ran for President.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2014, 06:39:27 PM

(https://www.lifesitenews.com/images/news/Warren-Buffett.jpg)

Gross, there's crony capitalist all over the thread now.

You're not allowed to hate rich people, Benji. Keep that shit up and you're gonna be kicked off the Objectivist Ranch

:ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 07:13:20 PM

Ayn would have never let me set foot on it, let alone Peikoff.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 05, 2014, 07:14:23 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 01:21:52 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 05, 2014, 01:15:34 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 05, 2014, 12:39:00 PM

But no matter how much you crank up the taxes and social programs,  that doesn't make you a communist.

Totally. 

No matter how much property you seize from people for no reason other than to give it to someone else, it has nothing to do with "From each according to their ability to each according to their needs."  I mean, that's just intuitively obvious.  For sure.

A fair point, but there is still private ownership of the means of production.

Setting aside the fact that in the communist mode of production there is no money, ergo no taxation, if the existence of taxation is in and of itself communism then the history of humanity is more or less the history of communism, from SPQR to k. und k.

Unrelated: While I'm on the fence about the current Democratic Party, historically we've always tried to save capitalism from itself. That the policies used to do so coincide with those of social democrats (who once upon a time believed in building socialism) strikes me as more of an indictment of social democracy than evidence of America's long road to New Synthesis, but I obviously have an open disdain for social democracy.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 07:42:03 PM

Social Democracy (and its related partners) to me is almost a meaningless term. Like, it's just a waypoint on the way to actual ideologies, kinda like Conservatism.

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Women’s health activist Sandra Fluke lost her bid for a seat in the California state Senate.
Fluke, a Democrat who rose to prominence after conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh called her a “slut” for asking that religious institutions cover birth control and abortions, lost to Democrat Ben Allen in California’s 26th District.

Allen won the primary in June to take the state Senate seat left behind by Democrat Ted Lieu. According to LA Weekly, the Santa Monica-Malibu school board member held a 22-point lead over Fluke after more than half of the votes were in.

Both candidates, who faced off Tuesday after finishing as the top two in the June primary, raised over $1 million for their campaigns.

Meanwhile, three weeks ago: http://edition.cnn.com/2014/10/16/opinion/kohn-democrats-midterms/index.html
oops  :teehee

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 08:30:44 PM

Post in the GAF Election thread reminded me: Rush Limbaugh had a caller raging at Libertarians for costing some races (like VA) and how libertarians are really just liberals in denial, that intentions and emotions are all that matter to them, say things they want to hear about pot or sex and they'll vote for you and thus why they always vote Democratic.

POLITICAL DISCOURSE

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: toku on November 05, 2014, 10:43:40 PM

This can't be real right? Where you at Cheddahz?
https://twitter.com/troyauztin/status/530022087260254208

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 10:52:39 PM

Oh, it was academic:
http://www.wspa.com/story/27294393/exit-poll-angers-some-sc-voters

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SPARTANBURG COUNTY, S.C. -
Some South Carolina voters are upset over an exit poll they received which referenced race and slavery.

The poll, which was handed out to voters in Charleston, Columbia, Greenville and Spartanburg asked them to agree or disagree on statements on whether blacks don't work hard enough to advance economically, are too demanding in their pursuit of equal rights and are hindered by the effects of slavery and discrimination.

“I took this poll in Seneca,” wrote Matt Alexander, on the WSPA Facebook page. “I didn't answer some of the questions. They were overtly racist.”

“I actually thought it was a joke,” wrote Bonnie Lemley. “Apparently, it wasn't.”

The poll was conducted by David Woodard, a political science professor at Clemson University. Woodard said he was trying to prove that race has no bearing on whether whites vote for political candidates.

“It was designed to take advantage of a political moment of Senator Tim Scott's election as the first African-American from a southern state since reconstruction,” said Woodard. “It was not designed to be provocative.”

Woodard said the controversial statements mentioned in his polls were used by pollsters for decades and that's why he chose to include it. He was surprised by the reaction.

“We do this every day. We didn't think too much about it until we got it out in the field and saw that there was some reaction,” he said.

Woodard partnered with Paul White Jr., a doctoral candidate in political science from University of South Carolina on this project. White handed out polls in Columbia.

“You had liberals getting offended. You had conservatives getting offended. It was all over the place,” said White.

About 1,000 exit polls were handed out. Woodard and White plan to publish the finding in a research paper slated for release in January.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 05, 2014, 10:54:34 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 07:42:03 PM

Social Democracy (and its related partners) to me is almost a meaningless term. Like, it's just a waypoint on the way to actual ideologies, kinda like Conservatism.

Social democracy's last meaningful contribution to left thought was Rudolf Meidner's workers fund proposal, which, to my knowledge, was never implemented anywhere in the world.

By the time the Soviet Union fell, it had become such a meaningless political categorization that the more cynical Communist parties simply rebranded themselves as social democratic parties and managed to win elections again. The fucking PZPR won the Sejm under the SLD moniker, fer chrissake. :dead

(There are few social democratic parties I would not consider cravenly electoral, but they are few and far between. It basically means "liberalism with a human face" now but most of these parties can't be honest and toss off their union ties because they'd never win anything again if they did.)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 10:59:06 PM

IIRC, a lot of the Yugoslavian parties rebranded that way, I know Croatia's League of Communists were suddenly the Social Democrats in time for the "free" elections in 1990.

I do think the rise of some of the so-called "far right" parties in European countries are in part because of the Labour/SD parties liberalizing in the 1990's and the Swedish Democrats, UKIP, etc. combine some nice nationalism with their, at times in comparison to Social Democrats, socialism.

I forget which country it was, but there was a candidate for one of these parties who was espousing nationalizing any company/industry that hired Muslims.  :dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Broseidon on November 06, 2014, 05:00:38 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 10:59:06 PM

UKIP, etc. combine some nice nationalism with their, at times in comparison to Social Democrats, socialism.

:wtf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2014, 05:48:29 PM

Sorry, meant BNP but was thinking about UKIP for whatever reason.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2014, 06:07:25 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/meet-ben-carson-republican-throw-hat-2016-ring/story?id=26735300

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Yes, the 2016 race for the White House has already gotten started -- and it looks like Dr. Ben Carson is first in the ring.

Carson, a famous pediatric neurosurgeon and conservative political star, will air a nearly 40 minute-long ad introducing himself to the American people this weekend, an aide to Carson confirms to ABC News.

The documentary titled “A Breath of Fresh Air: A New Prescription for America” will air in 22 states and Washington, DC. The paid video will detail some of his biography and family life, including his rise from being born to a single mother with a poor childhood in Detroit to director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins for almost 40 years, known for his work separating conjoined twins, to potential 2016 presidential candidate.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2014, 10:09:47 PM

Some of the Democratic defeatism/depression is sucking all the fun out of things. The Republicans weren't as bad in 2012 as certain circles are acting this week.

I blame the youth. Every political generation needs their balls wrecked. The Obama one hadn't yet, 2010 wasn't bad enough and 2012 put salve on it. Especially with the GERRYMANDERINGIERINGING!

Those who came of age through 1994 had it real hard.

Peter Jennings' butthurt from then will never be topped:

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Some thoughts on those angry voters. Ask parents of any two-year-old and they can tell you about those temper tantrums: the stomping feet, the rolling eyes, the screaming. It's clear that the anger controls the child and not the other way around. It's the job of the parent to teach the child to control the anger and channel it in a positive way. Imagine a nation full of uncontrolled two-year-old rage. The voters had a temper tantrum last week....Parenting and governing don't have to be dirty words: the nation can't be run by an angry two-year-old.

Classic 1994 coverage featuring RON SANTORUM:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUYzYorNr0w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meXbzhiYCsw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flmTgBJkbQc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=708N0nOaO1s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7ROoEKpoFU

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiAllRsWTuA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxXHV2NfWvU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2OxdgK4Hlk

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I guess the Bush generation had an interesting time, with 2000, 2002 and 2004 being one ball kick after another.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 10:22:02 AM

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 10:22:35 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 10:22:02 AM

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2014, 10:37:19 AM

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The job gains were broad-based, though many lower-paying industries posted large increases. Retailers added 27,100 jobs, while restaurants, hotels and entertainment firms gained 52,000.

Some higher-paying industries also showed progress. Manufacturers added 15,000 jobs, up from 9,000 the previous month. Transportation and shipping companies gained 13,300. And professional and business services, which includes accountants, engineers and other higher-skilled fields, added 37,000.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/us-economy-jobs-unemployment

High skilled jobs out performed retail, manufacturing increased. I'd call those silver linings, and it's been like that for much of the last few months. Obviously retail jobs are going to explode for the next couple months though.

The problem is more so wage stagnation.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 07, 2014, 11:11:26 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 10:22:35 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 10:22:02 AM

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

 ::)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 11:14:06 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2014, 11:11:26 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 10:22:35 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 10:22:02 AM

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

 ::)

while restaurants, hotels and entertainment firms gained 52,000


:yeshrug

Pretend like Abercrombie and Fitch and Applebees are saving the economy brehs.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 11:19:15 AM

My wife's small engineering firm has added about 10 people in the past year, and these aren't low paying jobs.  I just hired someone this week at a not insignificant rate.  Shit is working, AiA mad.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 11:20:27 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 11:19:15 AM

My wife's small engineering firm has added about 10 people in the past year, and these aren't low paying jobs.  I just hired someone this week at a not insignificant rate.  Shit is working, AiA mad.

Not mad, I just don't fall for this bullshit. What's our U6 at, Steve? Thought so.

Here let me help

http://www.macrotrends.net/1377/u6-unemployment-rate

Go ahead, tell me the flowers are blooming, my friend.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2014, 11:22:04 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 11:14:06 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 07, 2014, 11:11:26 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 10:22:35 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 10:22:02 AM

214k jobs in October, unemployment down to 5.8%.

Lots of waiting jobs, hooray........

 ::)

while restaurants, hotels and entertainment firms gained 52,000


:yeshrug

Pretend like Abercrombie and Fitch and Applebees are saving the economy brehs.

It's not hurting my portfolio I tell you what.

Middleby Corp
:whew

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 11:23:14 AM

My daughter just spent about 600 bucks at AF, you're welcome.


Dividends

:lawd

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 12:09:47 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 07, 2014, 12:08:57 PM

Ben Carson announced he's going for 2016.

:heh

Angelina Jolie says she's interested too. Seems legit.

:snoop

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 12:49:56 PM

I can't wait for the Republican primary season to get started.  Wait it already has. :brazilcry

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:14:30 PM

Welp, goodbye federal exchange

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/supreme-court-obamacare-subsidies-case

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2014, 01:22:44 PM

gonna be funny seeing Scalia flip flop on this issue.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 01:23:02 PM

Poor people in conservative states don't need health insurance, come on.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:28:45 PM

If the court flips on subsidies (which I expect) then it's gonna be funny that you'll have a situation where Kentucky is basically a better state to live in than Georgia or North Carolina. Shit is fucked, man.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 01:29:52 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:28:45 PM

If the court flips on subsidies (which I expect) then it's gonna be funny that you'll have a situation where Kentucky is basically a better state to live in than Georgia or North Carolina. Shit is fucked, man.

Indeed.

Kentucky as a destination state....

 :fbm

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 01:33:13 PM

Obama's [reported] nominee for Attorney General:

(http://i.imgur.com/hBIfyOl.jpg)

Quote

Loretta Lynch graduated from Harvard Law School in 1984, according to her official biography from the Justice Department. She joined the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York in 1990 and was appointed as the U.S. attorney by President Bill Clinton in 1999.

She left in 2001 and became a partner at the Hogan & Hartson law firm until she was reappointed to the U.S. attorney position by Obama in 2010. She also served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2005.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 01:34:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 01:33:13 PM

Obama's [reported] nominee for Attorney General:

(http://i.imgur.com/hBIfyOl.jpg)

Quote

Loretta Lynch graduated from Harvard Law School in 1984, according to her official biography from the Justice Department. She joined the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York in 1990 and was appointed as the U.S. attorney by President Bill Clinton in 1999.

She left in 2001 and became a partner at the Hogan & Hartson law firm until she was reappointed to the U.S. attorney position by Obama in 2010. She also served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2005.

(http://a57.foxnews.com/global.fncstatic.com/static/managed/img/Politics/396/223/obama_cree_061311.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:36:22 PM

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

:ufup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 01:38:04 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:36:22 PM

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

:ufup

Yeah, but:

Quote

Lynch's office helped investigate Citigroup over mortgage securities sold by the bank, which resulted in the bank agreeing to a US$7 billion settlement, and was also involved in the US$1.2 billion settlement with with HSBC over lapses in the bank anti money laundering controls.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:39:55 PM

Isn't that cute, walking around money for these assholes. Call me back when she throws someone into fucking jail.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2014, 01:56:42 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2014, 01:33:13 PM

Obama's [reported] nominee for Attorney General:

(http://i.imgur.com/hBIfyOl.jpg)

Quote

Loretta Lynch graduated from Harvard Law School in 1984, according to her official biography from the Justice Department. She joined the U.S. attorney's office in the Eastern District of New York in 1990 and was appointed as the U.S. attorney by President Bill Clinton in 1999.

She left in 2001 and became a partner at the Hogan & Hartson law firm until she was reappointed to the U.S. attorney position by Obama in 2010. She also served on the board of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York from 2003 to 2005.

Quote

She attended an elementary school with mostly white students, and recalled scoring high on a standardized test. Administrators demanded the young Ms. Lynch retake it, she said.
Ms. Lynch's mother fought back, saying the score wouldn't have been questioned if her daughter was white. Ultimately, Ms. Lynch took the test again and, to her mother's "great delight," scored even higher, she said.

Quote

Before Ms. Lynch was named to the top job, she was tapped to join a career-making or -breaking prosecution: the Abner Louima police-brutality case.
In August 1997, Mr. Louima was sodomized with a stick in the bathroom of a Brooklyn precinct, according to testimony at the trial.

Mr. Louima, a Haitian immigrant, was in the precinct because he had been charged with assaulting an officer.
Officer Justin Volpe pleaded guilty to the attack on Mr. Louima midway through the trial and received a 30-year prison sentence. Other officers were convicted of lesser charges and still others were acquitted.

cac tears incoming

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2014, 02:01:49 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:36:22 PM

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

:ufup

Still would make a good :ufup2 emote, tho.

(http://i.imgur.com/hBIfyOl.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:02:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2014, 02:01:49 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:36:22 PM

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

:ufup

Still would make a good :ufup2 emote, tho.

(http://i.imgur.com/hBIfyOl.jpg)

(http://thepunditpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Loretta-Lynch.jpg) imo

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2014, 02:05:31 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:02:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2014, 02:01:49 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 01:36:22 PM

Served at a Fed Reserve bank? Can't co-sign that shit.

:ufup

Still would make a good :ufup2 emote, tho.

(http://i.imgur.com/hBIfyOl.jpg)

(http://thepunditpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/Loretta-Lynch.jpg) imo

Yeah, that one probably works even better.

:ufupleft

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Only against cacs tho....

(http://i.imgur.com/VuSETcT.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:12:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Only against cacs tho....

(http://i.imgur.com/VuSETcT.png)

:neogaf

Someone needs to add that emoticon

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:00:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Only against cacs tho....

(http://i.imgur.com/VuSETcT.png)

Oh my (http://i.imgur.com/hactkWp.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 03:06:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:00:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Only against cacs tho....

(http://i.imgur.com/VuSETcT.png)

Oh my (http://i.imgur.com/hactkWp.png)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/e40cc2f1453e0fa8d16f2cf936a973e3/tumblr_nd8njj3Z5s1rvzbdgo1_250.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 03:11:27 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 07, 2014, 03:09:50 PM

The SC is not going to overturn subsidies. The plain language of the law makes the federal exchange equivalent.

Like that shit matters to those fucking cunts

:hitler

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 03:06:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:00:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Only against cacs tho....

(http://i.imgur.com/VuSETcT.png)

Oh my (http://i.imgur.com/hactkWp.png)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/e40cc2f1453e0fa8d16f2cf936a973e3/tumblr_nd8njj3Z5s1rvzbdgo1_250.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/GOXcTUW.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 03:18:09 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 03:06:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:00:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Only against cacs tho....

(http://i.imgur.com/VuSETcT.png)

Oh my (http://i.imgur.com/hactkWp.png)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/e40cc2f1453e0fa8d16f2cf936a973e3/tumblr_nd8njj3Z5s1rvzbdgo1_250.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/GOXcTUW.png)

(http://i61.tinypic.com/2eunzfo.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 03:18:49 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:11:28 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 03:06:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2014, 03:00:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:10:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM

I honestly had to double take, I thought she had a swastika on her neck for a minute.

#liberalsaretherealracists

Only against cacs tho....

(http://i.imgur.com/VuSETcT.png)

Oh my (http://i.imgur.com/hactkWp.png)

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/e40cc2f1453e0fa8d16f2cf936a973e3/tumblr_nd8njj3Z5s1rvzbdgo1_250.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/GOXcTUW.png)

Rick Scott looking more struggle every day :'(

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2014, 03:32:51 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 07, 2014, 03:09:50 PM

The SC is not going to overturn subsidies. The plain language of the law makes the federal exchange equivalent.

The fact that four justices voted to bring  King v. Burwell to the SC tells me that the subsidies are either going to get shitcanned or narrowly survive a 5-4 ruling.
http://theincidentaleconomist.com/wordpress/the-supreme-court-will-hear-king-thats-bad-news-for-the-aca/

It's worth noting states can handle this simply by making their own damn sites. But that will cost money, and there will be multiple red states that refuse.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 03:42:11 PM

Scalia, Alito, and Thomas are obviously 3 of the 4 that voted to hear it. I'm guessing Kennedy is the other.

What's interesting is- will Roberts vote to uphold the ACA again? He already said the IRS could levy "taxes" to pay for the subsidies. You could try to extrapolate that to mean that he thought the federal govt. could set up exchanges, but who knows with that fucker.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 04:09:28 PM

Fair and equal representation!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chart-why-dems-cant-win-house

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/dyzm21gxkwi4jj0imdnu.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2014, 06:41:07 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 07, 2014, 12:08:57 PM

Ben Carson announced he's going for 2016.

:heh

better is how:

Quote

Carson, a famous pediatric neurosurgeon and conservative political star, will air a nearly 40 minute-long ad introducing himself to the American people this weekend, an aide to Carson confirms to ABC News.

The documentary titled “A Breath of Fresh Air: A New Prescription for America” will air in 22 states and Washington, DC. The paid video will detail some of his biography and family life, including his rise from being born to a single mother with a poor childhood in Detroit to director of pediatric neurosurgery at Johns Hopkins for almost 40 years, known for his work separating conjoined twins, to potential 2016 presidential candidate.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2014, 06:42:08 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2014, 02:07:29 PM

#liberalsaretherealracists

why her name gotta be lynch tho

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 07, 2014, 07:30:26 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2014, 04:09:28 PM

Fair and equal representation!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/chart-why-dems-cant-win-house

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/dyzm21gxkwi4jj0imdnu.jpg)

Well we are talking about a political system that by design isn't supposed to be very representative.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 08, 2014, 02:42:15 AM

"A taxpayer's reason for disagreeing must come within the scope of the tax laws. For example, a taxpayer cannot appeal a case based only on moral, religious, political, constitutional, conscientious, or similar grounds."

The IRS doesn't recognize the Constitution alone. :dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2014, 04:17:57 PM

Quote from: Vularai on November 08, 2014, 02:42:15 AM

"A taxpayer's reason for disagreeing must come within the scope of the tax laws. For example, a taxpayer cannot appeal a case based only on moral, religious, political, constitutional, conscientious, or similar grounds."

The IRS doesn't recognize the Constitution alone. :dead

Alex Jones was right!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Kara on November 08, 2014, 06:50:10 PM

The IRS is kinda infamous for not recognizing other branches of the federal government. They even get to decide whether or not they'll "acquiesce" to rulings by tax court. :dead

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 09, 2014, 08:53:43 PM

lol

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/v8ixpwk9yecmaekralez.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2014, 08:56:26 PM

A completely different person.

Also, white.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2014, 09:19:11 PM

But a great point, if it were true.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2014, 10:38:53 PM

Conservative journalism, ladies and gentlemen. It would take what, 15 minutes to confirm that. I bet the author just did a variety of google searches (Loretta Lynch Muslim, Loretta Lynch race, Loretta Lynch Rezko, etc) until he got a hit with Clinton.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2014, 12:51:29 AM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/120170/valerie-jarrett-obama-whisperer

Quote

Even at this late date in the Obama presidency, there is no surer way to elicit paranoid whispers or armchair psychoanalysis from Democrats than to mention the name Valerie Jarrett. Party operatives, administration officials—they are shocked by her sheer longevity and marvel at her influence. When I asked a longtime source who left the Obama White House years ago for his impressions of Jarrett, he confessed that he was too fearful to speak with me, even off the record.

This is not as irrational as it sounds. Obama has said he consults Jarrett on every major decision, something current and former aides corroborate. “Her role since she has been at the White House is one of the broadest and most expansive roles that I think has ever existed in the West Wing,” says Anita Dunn, Obama’s former communications director. Broader, even, than the role of running the West Wing. This summer, the call to send Attorney General Eric Holder on a risky visit to Ferguson, Missouri, was made by exactly three people: Holder himself, the president, and Jarrett, who were vacationing together on Martha’s Vineyard. When I asked Holder if Denis McDonough, the chief of staff, was part of the conversation, he thought for a moment and said, “He was not there.” (Holder hastened to add that “someone had spoken to him.”)

Jarrett holds a key vote on Cabinet picks (she opposed Larry Summers at Treasury and was among the first Obama aides to come around on Hillary Clinton at State) and has an outsize say on ambassadorships and judgeships. She helps determine who gets invited to the First Lady’s Box for the State of the Union, who attends state dinners and bill-signing ceremonies, and who sits where at any of the above. She has placed friends and former employees in important positions across the administration—“you can be my person over there,” is a common refrain.

And Jarrett has been known to enjoy the perks of high office herself. When administration aides plan “bilats,” the term of art for meetings of two countries’ top officials, they realize that whatever size meeting they negotiate—nine by nine, eight by eight, etc.—our side will typically include one less foreign policy hand, because Jarrett has a standing seat at any table that includes the president.

Not surprisingly, all this influence has won Jarrett legions of detractors. They complain that she has too much control over who sees the president. That she skews his decision-making with her after-hours visits. That she is an incorrigible yes-woman. That she has, in effect, become the chief architect of his very prominent and occasionally suffocating bubble.

There is an element of truth to this critique. While aboard Air Force One at the end of the 2012 campaign, Jarrett turned to Obama and told him, “Mr. President, I don’t understand how you’re not getting eighty-five percent of the vote.” The other Obama aides in the cabin looked around in disbelief before concluding that she’d been earnest.

Noam Scheiber is going to be found in Fort Marcy Park isn't he?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2014, 12:46:39 PM

Don't vote for Ted Cruz for anything ever:

Quote from: Ted Cruz

"Net Neutrality" is Obamacare for the Internet; the Internet should not operate at the speed of government.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-net-neutrality-obamacare

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 01:00:36 PM

So fucking stupid.
:what

I wonder what Hillary's position on this will be in 1-2 years...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 01:29:42 PM

Gotta say it's amazing how big democrats fucked up over the last 6 years. They'll still win in 2016 due to demographics, but the fundamentals of the party are busted. Nobody important believes the party is fighting for the common man. The difference between the GOP and democrats is that the GOP would let all the wolves into the sheep herd, whereas democrats will let in a few wolves but keep x amount at bay. So you get a variety of half measures or nothing but lip service.

There's more money in the anti net neutrality game but I'd rather do the right thing, get some money from big donors, and acquire support from voters.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 01:33:38 PM

(http://www.artofobama.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Come-with-me-front.jpg)

Y'all crack me up sometimes.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 10, 2014, 02:47:31 PM

even hillary's about to lose

(http://i.minus.com/ibqKXm3B7PUbsz.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:50:01 PM

AiA:

1. you thought Obama was toast after the 2010 elections, didn't you

2. you thought Romney was going to beat Obama, didn't you

:umad

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 02:54:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:50:01 PM

AiA:

1. you thought Obama was toast after the 2010 elections, didn't you

2. you thought Romney was going to beat Obama, didn't you

:umad

1) No

2) Hell no, Obama did a good job rustling up the middle class and above white 20 somethings that found it trendy/cool to vote Obama. It was well played.... I knew better.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:57:54 PM

So why do you doubt Hillary Clinton won't be able to do nearly the same thing? She won't excite black and Hispanic votes as much but it won't matter since she'll do better among white voters than Obama. She won't win whites, but she should perform 3-6% better than Obama.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:01:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:57:54 PM

So why do you doubt Hillary Clinton won't be able to do nearly the same thing? She won't excite black and Hispanic votes as much but it won't matter since she'll do better among white voters than Obama. She won't win whites, but she should perform 3-6% better than Obama.

I believe I already said Hilary will win next election. Then that'll be the end of democrats for 16 years...Cycle repeats......

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:13:29 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 10, 2014, 03:12:38 PM

The only chance the GOP has in presidential elections is to successfully present female and/or minority candidates that aren't :holeup tier, and they can't manage that for the time being.

Maybe when the oldies die out.

After Clinton y'all are hit too. Nobody is waiting in the wings because you guys seem to spend most of your freetime bashing each other.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:17:50 PM

Truth is you're extremely lucky to have Clinton as she has a lot of fans and holdovers from Bill. Without her this next election would be 50-50. With her it's clearly 70-30 in your favor.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 03:22:16 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:01:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:57:54 PM

So why do you doubt Hillary Clinton won't be able to do nearly the same thing? She won't excite black and Hispanic votes as much but it won't matter since she'll do better among white voters than Obama. She won't win whites, but she should perform 3-6% better than Obama.

I believe I already said Hilary will win next election. Then that'll be the end of democrats for 16 years...Cycle repeats......

ah my bad breh

I disagree. This is a great website: http://www.270towin.com/

Pick 2004. The problem today for the GOP boils down to demographics. Bush won with 286 EVs thanks to high Hispanic support in NV, CO, and NM. Today all three states have trended blue due to an enormous shift in Hispanic support. Bush out performed the previous GOP performance amongst Hispanics because he supported immigration reform, wasn't a bad Texan governor with respect to Hispanic issues, etc. Since then the party has shifted hard right on those issues.

If you take those three states away, the GOP is left with 267 EVs. Now take away Virginia, which has shifted blue due to an influx of black and Hispanic voters in N VA. Now look at 2012. Obama could have lost Ohio and Florida and still won the presidency. There simply isn't a viable EV path to victory for the current GOP.

Now look further into the future: Georgia's black vote is slowly beginning to catch up. It will be a purple state soon. Demographics could turn Arizona blue as well. Bottom line: the current GOP is fucked, just as democrats were fucked post 1964 due to demographics. It's going to take republicans time to react to this. They'll control the House for the next decade IMO, which means they'll continue to fuck over immigration reform thanks to hardcore conservatives in lily white districts. And the more they do that, the worse they'll do in states that determine the presidency.

Republicans need another financial disaster to win IMO. I thought it was gonna happen in 2012 but the economy improved. I could see another crash happening under Hillary, who will be another corporate dem. The fed is propping up the stock market, capitol is limited, meanwhile investors are once again propping up junk mortgages thanks to the housing rebound...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:26:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 03:22:16 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:01:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:57:54 PM

So why do you doubt Hillary Clinton won't be able to do nearly the same thing? She won't excite black and Hispanic votes as much but it won't matter since she'll do better among white voters than Obama. She won't win whites, but she should perform 3-6% better than Obama.

I believe I already said Hilary will win next election. Then that'll be the end of democrats for 16 years...Cycle repeats......

ah my bad breh

I disagree. This is a great website: http://www.270towin.com/

Pick 2004. The problem today for the GOP boils down to demographics. Bush won with 286 EVs thanks to high Hispanic support in NV, CO, and NM. Today all three states have trended blue due to an enormous shift in Hispanic support. Bush out performed the previous GOP performance amongst Hispanics because he supported immigration reform, wasn't a bad Texan governor with respect to Hispanic issues, etc. Since then the party has shifted hard right on those issues.

If you take those three states away, the GOP is left with 267 EVs. Now take away Virginia, which has shifted blue due to an influx of black and Hispanic voters in N VA. Now look at 2012. Obama could have lost Ohio and Florida and still won the presidency. There simply isn't a viable EV path to victory for the current GOP.

Now look further into the future: Georgia's black vote is slowly beginning to catch up. It will be a purple state soon. Demographics could turn Arizona blue as well. Bottom line: the current GOP is fucked, just as democrats were fucked post 1964 due to demographics. It's going to take republicans time to react to this. They'll control the House for the next decade IMO, which means they'll continue to fuck over immigration reform thanks to hardcore conservatives in lily white districts. And the more they do that, the worse they'll do in states that determine the presidency.

Republicans need another financial disaster to win IMO. I thought it was gonna happen in 2012 but the economy improved. I could see another crash happening under Hillary, who will be another corporate dem. The fed is propping up the stock market, capitol is limited, meanwhile investors are once again propping up junk mortgages thanks to the housing rebound...

That website doesn't account for the numerous minorities of all sizes that believe that Obama lied to them "I am not the black's President" he said something along those lines...that's gonna hurt.

It also does not take into account the millions of mid 20's votes who can't find APPROPRIATE level work and blame him for it since he said he'd "handle that"

Master's degree kids mowing lawns ain't voting blue.

Hilary will win, but it won't be a landslide....in 2020.....I think she's going to face an uphill battle.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2014, 04:29:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 02:54:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:50:01 PM

AiA:

1. you thought Obama was toast after the 2010 elections, didn't you

2. you thought Romney was going to beat Obama, didn't you

:umad

1) No

2) Hell no, Obama did a good job rustling up the middle class and above white 20 somethings that found it trendy/cool to vote Obama. It was well played.... I knew better.

:what

did you now?  Pray tell, what did you know better?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2014, 04:43:38 PM

PRE-EMPTIVE REMINDER: I DID NOT VOTE FOR TED CRUZ.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2014, 04:49:15 PM

Quote from: AiA

Master's degree kids mowing lawns ain't voting blue.

They are still going to be mowing if demand isn't there. It won't matter who is in office. Unless you feel that the demand is there, but it is being artificially suppressed because there is a dem in the WH.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2014, 04:50:17 PM

Lol @ pd wondering Hilary fucking Clinton's views on NET NEUTRALITY. :rofl

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 04:50:36 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 10, 2014, 04:49:15 PM

Quote from: AiA

Master's degree kids mowing lawns ain't voting blue.

They are still going to be mowing if demand isn't there. It won't matter who is in office. Unless you feel that the demand is there, but it is being artificially suppressed because there is a dem in the WH.

I do indeed.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 10, 2014, 04:55:30 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 04:50:36 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 10, 2014, 04:49:15 PM

Quote from: AiA

Master's degree kids mowing lawns ain't voting blue.

They are still going to be mowing if demand isn't there. It won't matter who is in office. Unless you feel that the demand is there, but it is being artificially suppressed because there is a dem in the WH.

I do indeed.

getthefuckoutyouserious?

Please walk me through if so, np if just trolling tho

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 07:15:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:26:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 03:22:16 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 03:01:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2014, 02:57:54 PM

So why do you doubt Hillary Clinton won't be able to do nearly the same thing? She won't excite black and Hispanic votes as much but it won't matter since she'll do better among white voters than Obama. She won't win whites, but she should perform 3-6% better than Obama.

I believe I already said Hilary will win next election. Then that'll be the end of democrats for 16 years...Cycle repeats......

ah my bad breh

I disagree. This is a great website: http://www.270towin.com/

Pick 2004. The problem today for the GOP boils down to demographics. Bush won with 286 EVs thanks to high Hispanic support in NV, CO, and NM. Today all three states have trended blue due to an enormous shift in Hispanic support. Bush out performed the previous GOP performance amongst Hispanics because he supported immigration reform, wasn't a bad Texan governor with respect to Hispanic issues, etc. Since then the party has shifted hard right on those issues.

If you take those three states away, the GOP is left with 267 EVs. Now take away Virginia, which has shifted blue due to an influx of black and Hispanic voters in N VA. Now look at 2012. Obama could have lost Ohio and Florida and still won the presidency. There simply isn't a viable EV path to victory for the current GOP.

Now look further into the future: Georgia's black vote is slowly beginning to catch up. It will be a purple state soon. Demographics could turn Arizona blue as well. Bottom line: the current GOP is fucked, just as democrats were fucked post 1964 due to demographics. It's going to take republicans time to react to this. They'll control the House for the next decade IMO, which means they'll continue to fuck over immigration reform thanks to hardcore conservatives in lily white districts. And the more they do that, the worse they'll do in states that determine the presidency.

Republicans need another financial disaster to win IMO. I thought it was gonna happen in 2012 but the economy improved. I could see another crash happening under Hillary, who will be another corporate dem. The fed is propping up the stock market, capitol is limited, meanwhile investors are once again propping up junk mortgages thanks to the housing rebound...

That website doesn't account for the numerous minorities of all sizes that believe that Obama lied to them "I am not the black's President" he said something along those lines...that's gonna hurt.

It also does not take into account the millions of mid 20's votes who can't find APPROPRIATE level work and blame him for it since he said he'd "handle that"

Master's degree kids mowing lawns ain't voting blue.

Hilary will win, but it won't be a landslide....in 2020.....I think she's going to face an uphill battle.

dems won the youth vote by 10 points in the midterms despite low turnout ensuring fewer liberals showed up brehs. That group isn't voting for republicans anytime soon.

Black people still support Obama, that won't change unless cheats on Michelle with some fat white chick. :heh

spoiler (click to show/hide)

or will it :hitler

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2014, 04:10:55 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bruce-springsteen-conservatives-veterans-fortunate-son

:umad

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2014, 04:26:17 PM

Quote from: Esch on November 12, 2014, 04:13:54 PM

I don't think you get it PD. To be anti-war is to be anti-America. To hold reservations about any of America's actions is to be anti-America.

But it's also pretty anti-American to hate Bruce Springsteen and John Fogerty, so it's all very confusing.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2014, 05:50:37 PM

Ok, this article has been posted by all my conservafriends the last few days:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/10/aca-architect-the-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-led-us-to-hide-obamacares-tax-hikes-and-subsidies-from-the-public/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2014/11/10/aca-architect-the-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-led-us-to-hide-obamacares-tax-hikes-and-subsidies-from-the-public/)

It's a Forbes article so I really don't think it should be taken without salt.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 12, 2014, 06:20:00 PM

He basically saying that if Obama had sat down and explained to people how insurance works they wouldn't have gone for it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2014, 06:23:23 PM

isn't this the second time he's said some off brand shit about ACA? this dude really needs to shut the fuck up...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2014, 06:40:00 PM

Quote

“In less than a year Jonathan Gruber has gone from being cited [by Obama administration supporters] as an outstanding expert on health reform modeling to being downplayed as ‘a private citizen’ who misspoke,” notes Breitbart.com’s John Sexton. The evidence Sexton cites is striking.

In March, a group of left-leaning “economics scholars,” including Gruber himself, filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case of King v. Sebelius, then under consideration by the Fourth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. (Last week the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear an appeal of the case, now styled King v. Burwell.) The March brief appealed to Gruber’s authority:

Quote

Economist and MIT Professor Jonathan Gruber has developed a sophisticated economic model that allows for a robust prediction of outcomes in the health care system, depending on various policy changes. The Gruber Microsimulation Model (“GMSIM”) utilizes two primary sets of data: (1) Fixed information on individuals, derived from 2011 Current Population Survey data and updated to 2013 and later years; and (2) varying information on policy parameters, which inform the changes in price and eligibility of various forms of insurance. . . . The GMSIM has been cited as one of the leading options for modeling health insurance reforms such as the ACA [the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act].

...

in July, Gruber himself had asserted on multiple occasions that it was Congress’s intention to limit the subsidies to state-established exchanges. In that view, Congress’s intent was to make it so attractive to set up an exchange that no state would refuse.

Last week, the day before Election Day, 18 Democratic state attorneys general, led by Virginia’s Mark Herring, filed a brief with the D.C. Circuit, arguing that the full court should reverse the panel’s decision in Halbig. According to them, Gruber is no authority at all:

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The best that Appellants and their amici come up with are YouTube videos of Professor Jonathan Gruber, a private citizen at non-governmental meetings in January 2012, years after the ACA was enacted. But Appellants fail to demonstrate that Professor Gruber’s message was disseminated to the State officials responsible for determining whether to build their own Exchange. In any event, Gruber later corrected himself, calling his earlier statements a mistake.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/09/obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-was-key-because-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-would-have-killed-obamacare/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/09/obamacare-architect-lack-of-transparency-was-key-because-stupidity-of-the-american-voter-would-have-killed-obamacare/)

Quote

Gruber, speaking on an October 2013 panel at the University of Pennsylvania. Said he:

This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO [Congressional Budget Office] did not score the mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. Okay, so it’s written to do that. In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in—you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. . . . Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical for the thing to pass. . . . Look, I wish Mark [another panelist] was right that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/11/yet-another-video-emerges-of-obamacare-architect-calling-americans-stupid-video/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/11/yet-another-video-emerges-of-obamacare-architect-calling-americans-stupid-video/)

Quote

brief clip in which Gruber asserts “that a part of the ObamaCare [law] passed because ‘the American people are too stupid to understand the difference.’ ” That was part of an October 2013 lecture at Washington University of St. Louis.

http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/11/gruber-now-accusing-gop-of-trying-to-confuse-people-about-obamacare/ (http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/11/gruber-now-accusing-gop-of-trying-to-confuse-people-about-obamacare/)

Quote

Gruber appeared on WGBH-TV, the PBS station in Boston, where he had this to say about the Halbig and King cases: “I think this comes to the master strategy of the Republican Party, which is to confuse people enough about the law so that they don’t understand the subsidies they’re getting are because of the law.”

Fast and Gruberghazigate is going to bring down this administration.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 12, 2014, 08:05:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 12, 2014, 06:20:00 PM

He basically saying that if Obama had sat down and explained to people how insurance works they wouldn't have gone for it.

well, yeah.  It's still better than what we had.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 05:42:30 AM

http://www.texastribune.org/2014/11/12/internal-memos-detail-davis-campaign-dysfunction/ (http://www.texastribune.org/2014/11/12/internal-memos-detail-davis-campaign-dysfunction/)

Quote

“The campaign is in disarray and is in danger of being embarrassed,” Cari and Dougherty wrote in a lengthy memorandum on Jan. 6. “The level of dysfunction was understandable in July and August, when we had no infrastructure in place — but it doesn’t seem to be getting better.”

Addressed to then-Campaign Manager Karin Johanson, the memo warned that the Davis campaign had “lurched to the left,” was failing to communicate a positive message and offered virtually nothing to the swing voters the senator would need to win statewide.

“There is not a model where a candidate who appears this liberal and culturally out of touch gets elected statewide anywhere in the south — much less in Texas — without some inoculation,” the consultants said.

...

But the media strategists complained that they and other consultants who had been involved in her past races, and who knew her strengths and background, were being sidelined and had been unable to communicate directly with Davis.

In a telephone interview with the Tribune, Dougherty said she and her business partner wrote the memo in a last-ditch attempt to right a listing campaign ship. She said she often did not know about major campaign developments until she read them in the news.

“Thank God for Google alerts, because I wouldn’t know what was going on this campaign without them,” she said.

...

The Prism consultants concluded that the campaign was either desperately broken or that the hierarchy had decided to portray Davis not as a Texas moderate but rather a “national Democrat, appealing to liberal donors in the mistaken belief that there is a hidden liberal base in Texas that will turn out to vote if they have a liberal candidate to support.”

“Either scenario means that real changes need to be made, and quickly,” they wrote.

...

They wrote that the campaign was failing to portray Davis “like a Texan” and had turned her into a generic Democrat who would only have a chance in a state with a recent history of electing Democrats. The party hasn’t won a statewide election in Texas since 1994.

“Running Wendy Davis as a generic national Democrat is not only the quickest path to 38 percent, it’s also a huge disservice to Wendy, her record and the brand she has built,” they wrote. Davis got 38.9 percent of the vote, compared with the 59.3 percent of voters who cast ballots for Abbott.

Given the national wave that swamped Democrats around the country, including in governor races that Republicans won in traditionally blue states like Maryland and Massachusetts, it’s highly unlikely that any political strategy would have ushered Davis into the Texas Governor’s Mansion.

But Dougherty said it didn’t have to be such a rout.

“It’s possible to lose and still look good,” she said in the phone interview. “Our worry in January was it was setting Wendy up for embarrassment throughout the course of the campaign. I think the way the campaign played out was far, far worse than it should have been.”

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 06:01:12 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2014, 06:27:49 PM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

gotta wait on the popular vote, I think they might have beat the 1.6%/1.7% records and possibly even cracked 2% :holeup

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Unofficial results calculated by the party, Libertarians got 2.2-2.3% of the popular vote!

:american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american :american

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 13, 2014, 08:32:08 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 12, 2014, 08:05:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 12, 2014, 06:20:00 PM

He basically saying that if Obama had sat down and explained to people how insurance works they wouldn't have gone for it.

well, yeah.  It's still better than what we had.

Which is also what he said, but that doesn't resonate as much for some reason.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 13, 2014, 08:41:17 AM

How are you all explaining away net neutrality?

Just curious if that's for the good of the people.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2014, 09:00:14 AM

With net neutrality:

ISP: Here is your bandwith, which you may use as you please.

Without net neutrality:

ISP: Here's your bandwidth. By the way, we throttled all your favorite websites to a snail's pace because they couldn't afford to pay us.

Obviously, there's a bit more nuance to it than that, but the basic idea is that ISPs, as a provider of utilities, should not have a say in how the end consumer chooses to use that utility. The water company isn't going to throttle my water supply because I use a Kohler sink. The electric company isn't going to throttle my supply of electricity because I use Amana appliances. And that's without getting into the very real possibility that ISPs could use an internet free of net neutrality to strangle websites that they don't like.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 09:03:14 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 13, 2014, 08:41:17 AM

How are you all explaining away net neutrality?

Just curious if that's for the good of the people.

Seems like an issue most competent, semi tech savvy people can agree on. The internet should exist as it is now - not as a tiered system that allows companies to throttle or block access because you don't buy/use their shit.

Ted Cruz is literally a piece of shit. Alas I think that attack can stick, given how shitty Obama is at discussing things simply for simple Americans. The argument will also probably sound a lot like "if you like your internet you can keep your internet" and lord knows how that worked last time.
:heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 11:52:27 AM

Source: Obama to announce 10-point immigration plan via exec action as early as next week

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EXCLUSIVE: President Obama is planning to unveil a 10-part plan for overhauling U.S. immigration policy via executive action -- including suspending deportations for millions -- as early as next Friday, a source close to the White House told Fox News.

The president's plans were contained in a draft proposal from a U.S. government agency. The source said the plan could be announced as early as Nov. 21, though the date might slip a few days pending final White House approval.

Obama was briefed at the White House by Homeland Security officials before leaving on his Asia-Pacific trip last week, Fox News has learned.

White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters traveling with Obama in Burma Thursday that the president had not made a final decision on any executive actions concerning immigration and would not announce any until he returned to Washington.

The draft plan, though, contains 10 initiatives that span everything from boosting border security to improving pay for immigration officers.

But the most controversial pertain to the millions who could get a deportation reprieve under what is known as "deferred action."

The plan calls for expanding deferred action for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children -- but also for the parents of U.S. citizens and legal permanent residents.

The latter could allow upwards of 4.5 million illegal immigrant adults with U.S.-born children to stay, according to estimates.

Critics in the Senate say those who receive deferred action, according to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, receive work authorization in the United States, Social Security numbers and government-issued IDs.

Another portion that is sure to cause consternation among anti-"amnesty" lawmakers is a plan to expand deferred action for young people. In June 2012, Obama created such a program for illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children, entered before June 2007 and were under 31 as of June 2012. The change would expand that to cover anyone who entered before they were 16, and change the cut-off from June 2007 to Jan. 1, 2010. This is estimated to make nearly 300,000 illegal immigrants eligible.

One of the architects for the president's planned executive actions at DHS is Esther Olavarria, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy's former top immigration lawyer.

Under the changes, Immigration and Customs Enforcement officers also would see a pay raise in order to "increase morale" within the ICE workforce.

DHS also is planning to "promote" the new naturalization process by giving a 50 percent discount on the first 10,000 applicants who come forward, with the exception of those who have income levels above 200 percent of the poverty level.

Tech jobs though a State Department immigrant visa program would offer another half-million immigrants a path to citizenship. This would include their spouses as well.

The other measures include calls to revise removal priorities to target serious criminals for deportation and end the program known as "Secure Communities" and start a new program.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/11/13/source-obama-to-announce-10-point-immigration-plan-via-exec-action-as-early-as/

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Here we go fellas.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 13, 2014, 11:55:51 AM

(http://s27.postimg.org/7v0rzltbz/tumblr_nesghr_CVpv1qlabmao1_250.png) California about to become New New Mexico brehs

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 13, 2014, 12:03:55 PM

Short term I think that's a total mis-step by Obama. If it were me, I'd give the new congress a 3 or 4 month deadline and if they can't pass SOMETHING, then I'd act via executive order.

Long term it's probably brilliant because it's just going to further reinforce to Hispanics that the GOP couldn't be bothered to do anything other than sue the President for having to act.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 13, 2014, 12:04:25 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 13, 2014, 12:03:55 PM

Short term I think that's a total mis-step by Obama. If it were me, I'd give the new congress a 3 or 4 month deadline and if they can't pass SOMETHING, then I'd act via executive order.

Long term it's probably brilliant because it's just going to further reinforce to Hispanics that the GOP couldn't be bothered to do anything other than sue the President for having to act.

rustle them jimmies on the way out brehs

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 13, 2014, 12:08:20 PM

Jimmy rustling is pretty much the only card Obummer has left to play

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 13, 2014, 12:11:23 PM

those are jimmies I endorse rustling

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 12:11:56 PM

Should have done this before the election IMO. Might have saved Colorado.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 13, 2014, 12:40:56 PM

Look at all that perfectly reasonable tyranny.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 13, 2014, 12:51:53 PM

The most amazing thing is meeting people who argue it's possible to somehow get rid of all the illegal immigrants in America and you're like  :gurl

And then they say we should use the military and you're still like :gurl

And then they talk about reducing the debt and you're like :gurl

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 01:06:10 PM

Yes, I'm sure hunting down 13 million people with the US military would be a brilliant, cost and image effective campaign.

:beli

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 13, 2014, 01:07:00 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 01:06:10 PM

Yes, I'm sure hunting down 13 million people with the US military would be a brilliant, cost and image effective campaign.

:beli

Indeed, should just have John Deer and Craftsman do it

 :jawalrus

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 01:13:40 PM

better yet, park the deportation truck outside Home Depot and they'll jump right in.
 :lenowned

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 13, 2014, 01:14:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 01:13:40 PM

better yet, park the deportation truck outside Home Depot and they'll jump right in.
 :lenowned

Or have a fully funded national dishwasher's association meeting.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 01:15:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2014, 11:52:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/d6u7qds.gif)

This looks like a clip from The Fifth Element.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 07:12:37 PM

Rhetorical Question: Why do these articles always read as so patronizing: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/11/can-we-talk-heres-why-white-working-class-hates-democrats

Also:

Quote

This is going to require policy wonks to swallow hard. Remember Cash 4 Clunkers? Economically, that was probably a dumb program that accomplished little. But it didn't do any harm, and people sure loved it. Multiply that by a hundred and you're on the right track.

Bold! Persistent! Experimentation!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 07:22:41 PM

Quote

“Despite Election Results, Partisan Debate Rages On in Senate”—headline, TheHill.com, Nov. 12

:ohhh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2014, 08:42:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 13, 2014, 07:22:41 PM

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“Despite Election Results, Partisan Debate Rages On in Senate”—headline, TheHill.com, Nov. 12

:ohhh

o4real?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 01:47:29 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/13/harry-reid-obama-immigration_n_6153796.html

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WASHINGTON -- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) said Thursday that he has urged President Barack Obama not to take any executive action on immigration until December, amid threats from Republicans that such a move could derail funding for the government.

"The president has said he's going to do the executive action -- the question is when he can do it. It's up to him," Reid told reporters on Capitol Hill. "I'd like to get the finances of this country out of the way before he does it."

Reid added that he has expressed his view to Obama, but ultimately "it's up to him."

Obama could take executive action on immigration -- potentially giving deportation relief to millions of undocumented immigrants -- as early as next week, according to reports. Republicans have said it would be a major overreach of his authority, "poisoning the well" for future immigration reform. But they have also indicated it could lead to a government shutdown, should GOP members insist that defunding the new policies be part of the must-pass funding bill.

"If the president illegally tries to grant amnesty to millions of more people, I believe Congress should use every available tool to stop that amnesty and to defend the rule of law," Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told The Huffington Post.

Even Republicans who criticized last year's government shutdown agreed. Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), both vocal critics of the previous shutdown and co-authors of the Senate immigration bill that passed last year, warned of grave consequences of Obama were to act unilaterally.

"Why not give the new Congress six months to see if we can find a way forward?" Graham told HuffPost. "You've got a bunch of new people coming in who need to be tested about what they believe regarding immigration. Patience is a virtue in life, it's a necessity in a democracy. I just think it's ill-conceived and the public will rebel against it."

Graham added that he had appealed directly to the White House on the matter.

"I said, 'Listen, what's the downside of giving the new Congress a chance? I think most Americans will find this inappropriate and Democrats will pay a price,'" he said. "Most Americans would be for rational comprehensive immigration reform. Very few Americans are for Barack Obama going it alone."

McCain said Obama's decision to take executive action "poisons the well in more ways than one."

"If the president were serious about immigration reform, he'd say, 'It's a new Congress, new members, in both House and Senate, and I'll give them a chance to move forward on immigration reform.' He's not going to do that," McCain said. "So you have to question whether he's really serious about immigration reform or helping with the Hispanic vote in the 2016 election."

McCain also rejected the notion that Congress had forced Obama's hand by failing to act on the issue.

"There may be something happening. You should give it time in order to find that out. What's the difference between three months?" McCain said, adding that he would "absolutely" vote for a continuing resolution that defunds any executive action Obama takes on immigration.

"If he vetoes, he vetoes," McCain said. "I believe in the Constitution. He's the one who's violating the Constitution."

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2014, 01:50:15 AM

Just wait until Grandpa and Huckleberry Hound find out there's no one to bomb in an immigration reform bill, they'll lose all interest.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 04:12:20 AM

WaPo, Politico, etc. too.

It's because nobody knew the first time it came around that the dude had been saying all sorts of shit about how dumb voters are.  :lol

And he was relatively unimportant. Now he's a real thorn in the side. So they're all hunting down as many clips and stuff as they can find.

Best one I saw was one where he says "if you like your health care plan, you can keep it" and then later says basically "we need to eliminate most peoples health care plans because they picked stupid ones" to control costs and stuff.

All of that aside, he comes off as kind of a dick no matter what the subject.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2014, 04:50:24 AM

http://www.denverpost.com/election2014/ci_26931359/mark-udall-consider-all-options-reveal-cia-torture

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WASHINGTON — U.S. Sen. Mark Udall has seven weeks left in office, but the Colorado Democrat isn't prepared to go quietly — especially when it comes to the twin issues of CIA torture and government snooping.

In his first interview since Election Day, Udall told The Denver Post that he would "keep all options on the table" — including a rarely used right given to federal lawmakers — to publicize a secret report about the harsh interrogation techniques used by CIA agents in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

He also vowed to make one final push to curb the National Security Agency and its power to gather information on ordinary Americans.

"Trying to run out the clock ... is not an option," Udall said Thursday of the long-hidden CIA report. "The truth will come out."

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/claire-mccaskill-harry-reid-opposition-112858.html (http://www.politico.com/story/2014/11/claire-mccaskill-harry-reid-opposition-112858.html)

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Harry Reid was elected by Senate Democrats as minority leader on Thursday but faced several “no” votes from red staters who took deep Democratic losses last week as a stamp of public disapproval in the Senate’s leadership.

Defectors included Sens. Claire McCaskill of Missouri, Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota and Mary Landrieu of Louisiana, who faces a Republican challenger in a runoff race to keep her seat in December. McCaskill was the first Democratic senator to publicly announce her opposition to Reid; Heitkamp and Manchin had refused to say how they would vote going into the elections.

Later Thursday, aides to Virginia Sens. Tim Kaine and Mark Warner, who just narrowly won reelection, said the two had voted against Reid. An aide to Kaine said he “voted no because he believes the caucus should have had a more thorough discussion on strategy before taking a leadership vote.”

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 14, 2014, 01:10:18 PM

I'm fucking psyched that Obama is willing to flip the finger and go full blast on executive orders for immigration.  The hispanics I know feel burned since 2008 and giving Republicans a chance to pass it through legislation is exactly what they have wanted.  They want to pass ridiculously cumbersome bills (like Ted Cruz's joke of an idea) with Republican majorities to take full credit.  Fuck them.  I've watched their bullshit over the last 6 years affect the lives of friends and family all for political points.   

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 14, 2014, 01:27:09 PM

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/jqadomjx5uo1uxllyiin.jpg)

 :badass :picard :picard

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2014, 09:21:33 PM

is Obama finally getting his FDR on :tocry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUZGkNAUSvY
:lawd

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2014, 12:59:14 AM

GAF had another political quiz thread, I got really surprising results and am starting to rethink my entire worldview: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=138939673&postcount=202

(I like how the one quiz besada posted doesn't consider the free trade/immigration questions when calculating the isolationist/internationalist score.)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 15, 2014, 12:09:15 PM

I'm just gonna leave this here for AiA...

http://blog.chron.com/goplifer/2014/11/the-missing-story-of-the-2014-election/

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2014, 12:30:21 PM

Ehh...that guy is making a lot of assumptions based on the last two federal elections.  Nevada could swing right, NM could as well (though doubtful).  Granted that is only 11 electoral votes...

edit--

also:

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- Vote suppression is working remarkably well, but that won’t last. Eventually Democrats will help people get the documentation they need to meet the ridiculous and confusing new requirements. The whole “voter integrity” sham may have given Republicans a one or maybe two-election boost in low-turnout races. Meanwhile we kissed off minority votes for the foreseeable future.

what does he base this on?  two successful grassroots campaigns by Obama?  I'm not sure the efforts by the DNC and Hilary's base can muster as much movement as when Obama was a candidate.

This is all assuming Hilary is in fact the candidate.  What if its Biden?

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- Almost half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. Total coincidence, just pointing that out.

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist.  It's not necessarily untrue, but cmon dude.

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- In Congress, there are no more white Democrats from the South. The long flight of the Dixiecrats has concluded.

:what

I generally agree with what this dude is trying to say but he's being kind of a cunt in this article.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2014, 04:44:14 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 15, 2014, 12:30:21 PM

Quote

- Almost half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. Total coincidence, just pointing that out.

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist.  It's not necessarily untrue, but cmon dude.

Quote

- In Congress, there are no more white Democrats from the South. The long flight of the Dixiecrats has concluded.

:what

I generally agree with what this dude is trying to say but he's being kind of a cunt in this article.

The guy that wrote it is a Republican.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 15, 2014, 04:56:16 PM

(http://replygif.net/i/1408.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 15, 2014, 05:03:00 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2014, 04:44:14 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 15, 2014, 12:30:21 PM

Quote

- Almost half of the Republican Congressional delegation now comes from the former Confederacy. Total coincidence, just pointing that out.

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist.  It's not necessarily untrue, but cmon dude.

Quote

- In Congress, there are no more white Democrats from the South. The long flight of the Dixiecrats has concluded.

:what

I generally agree with what this dude is trying to say but he's being kind of a cunt in this article.

The guy that wrote it is a Republican.

Redundant

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: StealthFan on November 15, 2014, 11:41:19 PM

I'm curious how much weather will affect the nig nog mob. Blacks hate the cold almost as much as they hate being held responsible for their actions. It's one thing to riot in August when you can use your Michael Vick jersey to disguise your face while looting (like anybody can tell them apart anyway), it's quite another to go out in a storm fully protected against the cold and still have the ability to grasp objects with those monkey paws. Then again, maybe they'll go out without adequate protection and freeze to death. 

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: StealthFan on November 15, 2014, 11:41:47 PM

Believe it or not that isn't my post. It's from another site.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ZephyrFate on November 16, 2014, 02:20:19 AM

"Nig nog mob." Did you go to Stormfront or FreeRepublic?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: StealthFan on November 16, 2014, 09:37:13 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on November 16, 2014, 02:20:19 AM

"Nig nog mob." Did you go to Stormfront or FreeRepublic?

SomethingSensitive. I avoid Stormfront and FR because they're pure brain poison.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 17, 2014, 12:33:53 PM

oh fuck off

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 17, 2014, 02:27:11 PM

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/.premium-1.626946  :larry

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 17, 2014, 04:37:28 PM

its not my fault you actually are a racist, but hey

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 17, 2014, 07:45:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3RluUsZEOk

 :obama

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 17, 2014, 08:09:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2014, 01:33:38 PM

(http://www.artofobama.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/Come-with-me-front.jpg)

Y'all crack me up sometimes.

You think that's serious though? It's a Jayson Musson piece lol

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 19, 2014, 11:33:45 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/18/nsa-reform-senate_n_6181548.html?utm_hp_ref=politics

 :snoop

Complain about the NSA and do nothing about it, brehs.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2014, 11:47:43 AM

Remember when just 50 votes [plus a supportive VP] was enough to pass legislation? Good times.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 19, 2014, 06:45:34 PM

Obummer to go ahead with his executive orders on immigration

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/obama-to-announce-executive-action-on-immigration-thursday/2014/11/19/c7988ecc-701b-11e4-8808-afaa1e3a33ef_story.html

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 19, 2014, 09:07:00 PM

Good. About damn time.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 20, 2014, 12:47:20 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/ohio-governor-john-kasich-steals-the-show-at-republican-governors-meeting-002905505.html

Kasich wrecks at governors meeting.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 12:54:07 AM

Walker is a dumbass but I still think he's your 2016 nominee.

Interesting to see a republican push back against "Obama is the worst of all time" shit. People forget how ugly things were in the 90s with republicans accusing Clinton of rape and murder. Now they want to pretend like they got along with him.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 20, 2014, 04:29:48 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 17, 2014, 07:56:27 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 15, 2014, 12:30:21 PM

This is a lazy attempt to paint the Republicans as racist. 

Oh, the ironing.

Have to ask. Do you think people who fly the confederate flag are racist?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Steve Contra on November 20, 2014, 12:54:05 PM

Has Drudge ever been this salty?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 20, 2014, 01:12:49 PM

So as an immigrant that had to deal with first INS then DHS for 26 years I'm very interested to see what Obama has to say tonight.
It's a bit of a shame that in order to really understand the issues with immigration you sorta have to be an immigrant and for a nation of immigrants we have very few immigrant representatives. Either way, I can tell you that facebook tomorrow?  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 20, 2014, 01:19:53 PM

He's shredding the constitution we want to change to allow for discrimination and other religious liberties reserved only for christians!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 01:33:23 PM

Sounds like it's mainly going to focus on stopping deportations for a targeted group of people with families/children. He can't unilaterally give amnesty without congress.

You'd think that at least we could clean up the legal immigration process and make it faster/easier/less distinguished mentally-challenged. But nope, obstruction all day erry day.

I look forward to Obama namedropping Reagan and HW Bush as examples of presidents who have done this shit before.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 20, 2014, 01:46:15 PM

Exactly. My family was part of that whole Amnesty that Regan pushed through and we paid thousands to get all the paper work done for citizenship but then after we put all the paperwork in they were like "Well, congress voted against it. But thanks for the money!"

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 20, 2014, 01:56:01 PM

I really don't like the precedent that Obama is continuing here, but fuck it, its a worthwhile cause.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 20, 2014, 01:57:23 PM

I don't like it either actually. Don't really get what he's getting at. If it's a political move he's overplaying his hand.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 01:59:35 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 20, 2014, 01:56:01 PM

I really don't like the precedent that Obama is continuing here, but fuck it, its a worthwhile cause.

I'm fine with it. It's essentially a stopgap measure. Assuming the next president is a democrat it'll stay in place. It also forces 2016 GOP candidates to oppose it and promise to shitcan it when they become president...which in turn ensures Hispanics won't vote for them.

At the end of the day this will give millions of parents ease of mind; they won't be worrying about their family being destroyed out of the blue.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 20, 2014, 02:00:46 PM

That's a good point.  Forgot to consider how it affects the political landscape for the 2016 election.

I'm sure it ensures some of the border states to go more red, but NM might still be a battleground, yes?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 20, 2014, 02:06:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 01:59:35 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 20, 2014, 01:56:01 PM

I really don't like the precedent that Obama is continuing here, but fuck it, its a worthwhile cause.

I'm fine with it. It's essentially a stopgap measure. Assuming the next president is a democrat it'll stay in place. It also forces 2016 GOP candidates to oppose it and promise to shitcan it when they become president...which in turn ensures Hispanics won't vote for them.

At the end of the day this will give millions of parents ease of mind; they won't be worrying about their family being destroyed out of the blue.

Having been an immigrant after the whole Reagan thing I think it'll ease the mind of some but freak out many because they'll expect a congressional backlash. Just like when Reagan did his whole "amnesty" bit and then congress back hard and not only ended the amnesty but put in additional barriers to citizenship.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 02:32:19 PM

To be fair what Reagan did wasn't amnesty, it was also a deportation easing issue. Congress reacted against it, but it's worth noting congress can't do shit to end this for the next two years. And if Hillary runs for president it won't be changed for an additional 4-8 years.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 20, 2014, 02:39:36 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 20, 2014, 12:54:05 PM

Has Drudge ever been this salty?

Maybe during the Great Fedora Famine of '07.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 20, 2014, 02:43:56 PM

you know what would have helped move this along in congress, doing this before  to the election.

It obviously wouldn't have hurt the dems anymore then the midterms already did, might have actually increased turnout, and by waiting till now we'll probably get a government shutdown from emboldened republicans (who paid no political price whatsoever over their last shutdown) over this compromised, stopgap measure.

I'm glad its being done, and realistically, I know about the only effective action anymore can be done on the executive level.  Its all just very frustrating as to how and when this gets done (coulda done this same action years ago fer crying out loud).

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 20, 2014, 03:35:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 01:33:23 PM

I look forward to Obama namedropping Reagan and HW Bush as examples of presidents who have done this shit before.

It would be a mistake to do that, because Reagan's amnesty was done through legislation and (the amnesty part) was mostly a compromise to mid-western farm states that relied heavily on illegal workers. In fact, that bill was sold to the base as border control, not immigration reform.

HW Bush's reform was mostly a tweak on that original act because it unfairly excluded some illegals from amnesty. Also done through legislation.



 

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 06:38:53 PM

Reagan used executive orders to limit the deportation of more than 200,000 Nicaraguans, and HW did a similar thing for Chinese students. Clinton did the same for a multidude of different immigrants.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 20, 2014, 07:10:26 PM

Congressional backlash will be very limited from the GOP. A lot of tough talk. But if they try to react the same way congress reacted to Reagan they're going to cement themselves as dead to a large portion of the population. Demographics have changed too much to be that heavy handed.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 20, 2014, 08:10:41 PM

My mother in law will be able to file taxes, get a drivers license and doesn't have to be scared anymore. Thanks, Obama!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 08:14:42 PM

"If Congress have a problem with this, pass a bill."

(http://i.imgur.com/IMc7Au4.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on November 20, 2014, 08:26:03 PM

David Brooks is such a little bitch. His rebuttal was basically that he was mad that Obama had the balls and will to withstand any backlash

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 20, 2014, 09:32:14 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ira-hansen-nevada-speaker-simple-minded-darkies

Well well well, his hood and robes are showing

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2014, 12:34:18 AM

why do they even need to put a "(R)" next to his name?  No fucking shit he's a Republican.  See, motherfucking JayDub?  You ignorant piece of fecal fuck.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 21, 2014, 05:40:21 AM

"Why do all these racists keep showing up at my Civil War reenactments?!"

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2014, 08:15:42 AM

I'm actually okay with this. Believe it or not. Good on you, Obama.

(http://www.bizpacreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/obama-drinking-guiness-thumbs-up-e1359564382968.jpg)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 21, 2014, 09:03:55 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/kris-kobach-obama-ethnic-cleansing

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach (R) on Sunday warned that President Obama's executive actions and general "lawlessness" on immigration could lead to "ethnic cleansing."

Kobach, a vocal advocate of the anti-immigrant movement, claimed during his radio talk show that there was a strategy to replace American voters with Hispanic ones who favored socialism.

"The long term strategy of, first of all, replacing American voters with illegal aliens, recently legalized, who then become U.S. citizens," Kobach said. "There is still a decided bias in favor of bigger government not smaller government. So maybe this strategy of replacing American voters with newly legalized aliens, if you look at it through an ethnic lens, ... you've got a locked in vote for socialism."

Koback also responded to a caller who was concerned about ethnic cleansing, which the caller claimed was a threat from immigrant and Hispanic rights groups.

"What happens, if you know your history, when one culture or one race or one religion overwhelms another culture or race?" the caller asked. "When one race or culture overwhelms another culture, they run them out or they kill them."
Kobach then responded with his take.

"What protects us in America from any kind of ethnic cleansing is the rule of law, of course," Kobach said. "And the rule of law used to be unassailable, used to be taken for granted in America. And now, of course, we have a President who disregards the law when it suits his interests. And, so, you know, while I normally would answer that by saying, 'Steve, of course we have the rule of law, that could never happen in America,' I wonder what could happen. I still don't think it’s going to happen in America, but I have to admit, that things are, things are strange and they're happening."

 :comeon

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2014, 09:44:31 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 06:38:53 PM

Reagan used executive orders to limit the deportation of more than 200,000 Nicaraguans, and HW did a similar thing for Chinese students.

Quite obvious there were political reasons for those actions as many of those people were fleeing those areas due to unrest/persecution. Especially in the case of Nicaragua, where Reagan was deeply invested.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2014, 09:57:40 AM

Quote

The Obama administration said it erroneously calculated the number of people with health coverage under the Affordable Care Act, incorrectly adding 380,000 dental subscribers to raise the total above 7 million.

The accurate number with full health-care plans is 6.7 million as of Oct. 15, a spokesman for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services confirmed today, saying the U.S. won’t include dental plans in future reports.

 :lol

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 21, 2014, 10:40:37 AM

AiA I hear you're hiring.   :lol

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2014, 10:41:45 AM

Quote from: sarslip on November 21, 2014, 10:40:37 AM

AiA I hear you're hiring.   :lol

 :neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2014, 11:16:32 AM

Most of those dental plans are shit, last time I looked.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2014, 11:48:54 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2014, 09:44:31 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 20, 2014, 06:38:53 PM

Reagan used executive orders to limit the deportation of more than 200,000 Nicaraguans, and HW did a similar thing for Chinese students.

Quite obvious there were political reasons for those actions as many of those people were fleeing those areas due to unrest/persecution. Especially in the case of Nicaragua, where Reagan was deeply invested.

Well then it's a good thing that drug cartels aren't killing dozens of students in Mexico or whatever.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 21, 2014, 12:07:12 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2014, 11:48:54 AM

Well then it's a good thing that drug cartels aren't killing dozens of students in Mexico or whatever.

Come on, theres little comparison to the usual territorial gang wars and full on revolutions. Most are here for economic reasons.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 21, 2014, 01:00:21 PM

that 2020 anchor baby vote  :rejoice

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 21, 2014, 01:10:44 PM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/21/now-fox-amp-friends-is-upset-that-obama-is-quot/201665

Obama quoted lines from the Bible in a November 20 address, explaining the nation's responsibility to reform unfair immigration enforcement policies. He declared, "Scripture tells us that we shall not oppress a stranger, for we know the heart of a stranger -- we were strangers once, too. My fellow Americans, we are and always will be a nation of immigrants. We were strangers once, too."

His use of scripture did not sit well with the hosts of Fox & Friends the next day. Co-host Tucker Carlson called it "repugnant" and argued, "For this guy specifically, the president who spent his career defending late-term abortion, among other things, lecturing us on Christian faith? That's too much. That is too much." Elisabeth Hasselbeck attempted to rebut the scripture Obama used with scripture of her own, quoting verses from Proverbs and saying she is "going to get into a scripture-showdown." According to Hasselbeck, Obama used the Bible to guilt people into supporting his executive action, and that's "not what the scholars behind the Bible would interpret as proper use, perhaps."

:neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2014, 01:45:48 PM

 :lol If the bible wasn't used as a tool for guilt, there wouldn't be any christians.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 21, 2014, 01:49:59 PM

The Invisible Hand Job at work

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-fingers-god-president

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2014, 01:52:02 PM

I saw a Ben Carson '16 sticker on a car yesterday. :comeon :bitchplease

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2014, 02:56:14 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 21, 2014, 01:45:48 PM

:lol If the bible wasn't used as a tool for guilt, there wouldn't be any christians.

Guilt isn't what Bible is supposed to be about...perhaps.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2014, 03:06:14 PM

John Grisham should probably rewrite it.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2014, 03:10:52 PM

It's the word of God, written by man, translated into English by man, about God.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2014, 03:11:33 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 21, 2014, 03:10:52 PM

It's the word of God, written by man, translated into English by man, about God.

Totally sounds like it could be adapted to a Tom Cruise vehicle.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 21, 2014, 03:17:37 PM

The last Senpai. :uguu

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2014, 03:18:41 PM

Just saying man....imagine the possibilities of an epic Tom Cruise run across the parted red sea.  110 million first week breh.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2014, 03:45:10 PM

The Bible, starring Tom Cruise...in every role.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 21, 2014, 03:49:21 PM

I'd fucking watch that

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 21, 2014, 03:50:29 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2014, 03:45:10 PM

The Bible, starring Tom Cruise...in every role.

Here's an early trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCZE4So6ioQ

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 23, 2014, 05:55:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Qp3HBNa.jpg)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/indy-star-erred-in-publishing-immigrant-thanksgiving-cartoon

Happy Thanksgiving, everybody!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on November 23, 2014, 07:09:56 PM

I love how their first attempt at damage control was to photoshop the mustache out. What the fuck did they hope to accomplish by doing that?  :lol

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 23, 2014, 08:47:37 PM

shoulda just went full racetard and had jose raping all the white wimmens, and replacing the nfl on the teevee with latin futbol leagues and telemundo

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 24, 2014, 02:54:07 AM

I love that the family is white.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: sarslip on November 24, 2014, 09:49:54 AM

Giuliani: "I Probably Saved More Black Lives ... Than Any Mayor In The History Of This City"
http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/11/24/fox-hosts-rudy-giuliani-defends-former-nyc-mayo/201684

 :rejoice

killing bodega weed spots  :clap



his 9/11 response :american



stop and frisk   :obama

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 24, 2014, 11:42:38 AM

Jesus, that's not good. Well, since it's Defense the lunatics will hold a vote on an appointee, but I doubt they're gonna want to appoint anyone Obama nominates.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2014, 11:55:20 AM

where's Mandark :fbm

funny how the Times article notes he pissed off the WH by making a hyperbolic statement about ISIS, back when they were just a JV team to Obama. Now the WH is making hyperbolic statements about ISIS.

I guess the takeaway is that we're getting "serious" about a "serious threat."
:beli

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 24, 2014, 12:45:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2014, 11:55:20 AM

I guess the takeaway is that we're getting "serious" about a "serious threat."
:beli

:goty

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on November 24, 2014, 01:09:46 PM

I thought election cured ebola and defeated isis .  :bolo

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2014, 11:30:49 AM

http://gawker.com/gop-staffer-calls-obama-daughters-classless-dressed-fo-1664560003

lol, really?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: helios on November 29, 2014, 12:50:43 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/eqbpuh7.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2014, 02:58:51 PM

 :gurl

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on November 30, 2014, 06:47:49 PM

Quote

    I reacted to an article and quickly judged the two young ladies in a way that I would never have wanted to be judged myself as a teenager. After many hours of prayer, talking to my parents and re-reading my words online, I can see more clearly how hurtful my words were. Please know that these judgmental feelings truly have no pace in my heart. Furthermore, I'd like to apologize to all of those who I have hurt and offended with my words, and pledge to learn and grow (and I assure you I have) from this experience.

The hell? You need hours of prayer before you were able to realize you were a mean spirited asshole?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 01, 2014, 05:10:27 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2014, 11:30:49 AM

http://gawker.com/gop-staffer-calls-obama-daughters-classless-dressed-fo-1664560003

lol, really?

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lauten-sasha-malia-class-arrested-teen

The Republican staffer who lectured Sasha and Malia Obama on their clothes and told them to "try showing a little class" wasn't exactly a perfect teenager herself.

Elizabeth Lauten was arrested at age 17 for misdemeanor larceny after she allegedly stole from a Belk Department store in North Carolina, according to court records reviewed by The Smoking Gun. The charges were dismissed since Lauten was a first-time offender and she didn't get into additional trouble.

Lauten resigned as the the communications director for Rep. Stephen Fincher (R-TN) on Monday following backlash over a Facebook post about the Obama daughters' attire at the White House turkey pardon ceremony.

"Dear Sasha and Malia, I get you’re both in those awful teen years, but you’re a part of the First Family, try showing a little class," she wrote last week. "Act like being in the White House matters to you. Dress like you deserve respect, not a spot at a bar."

:neogaf

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2014, 06:32:22 PM

And it's not like they were at some important diplomatic summit or something, it was a turkey pardoning.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2014, 07:28:23 PM

Just in case you thought the House Intelligence Committee led by Darrell Issa (R-CA) releasing a report that found no evidence of wrong-doing on the part of the Obama administration with regards to the Benghazi attack would be sufficient to finally quiet the controversy down:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-report-benghazi-house-intelligence-committee--2

Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) went after the recently released House Intelligence Committee report on Benghazi suggesting, along the lines of other Republicans, that the report may have not told the whole story of what really happened or even was incorrect.

Paul made the argument in a piece published by Breitbart on Monday in response to the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee releasing a report saying "no intelligence failure" prior to the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi. "This one sentence tells us how seriously we should take this report," Paul wrote.

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT) and Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) have both expressed skepticism about the findings of the report. Graham said the report was "full of crap."

Paul asked in the piece whether the report was "perhaps not telling the full story?"

"Multiple highly-respected news outlets reported on arms possibly being smuggled from Libya to Syria, before and after the attacks on Benghazi," Paul said. "Were all the stories fabricated? Or did they contain some useful or pertinent information related to this investigation?"

:heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 02, 2014, 01:04:07 PM

They are teenage women, what does anyone expect. Last thing they want to do is be part of dad's work...

:yeshrug

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Rufus on December 02, 2014, 01:15:13 PM

They're supposed to act like royalty, apparently.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2014, 01:17:48 PM

bububu they look angry and disrespectful!

(http://www.addictinginfo.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/01-Elizabeth-Lauten.jpg)
http://www.addictinginfo.org/2014/12/01/elizabeth-lauten-caught-showing-the-class-she-claims-the-obama-girls-dont-have/

next stop: dat surprise IRS audit
(http://i.imgur.com/HHDZVs5.png)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 02, 2014, 01:19:23 PM

shoot off your mouth about shit when your shit is worse brehs.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Yeti on December 02, 2014, 03:44:49 PM

Karmic schadenfreude is the best schadenfreude :rejoice

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: WanderingWind on December 03, 2014, 05:27:45 AM

That has to be one of the best Twitter burns I've ever seen.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 04:09:40 PM

Romney is running in 2016.
:rejoice

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2014, 04:15:13 PM

ughhhhhhh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2014, 04:16:00 PM

:heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Trent Dole on December 04, 2014, 06:42:59 PM

If Twitt Romney runs I'll fucking volunteer for Hillary or whoever ends up against him. :pacspit

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 04, 2014, 07:07:53 PM

Since China has taken over as the worlds largest economy, it would be so fitting that the outsourcer-in-chief would run.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2014, 12:58:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfU3hI8ML30

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 05, 2014, 01:03:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 04:09:40 PM

Romney is running in 2016.
:rejoice

:snoop

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 05, 2014, 01:09:07 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 05, 2014, 01:03:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 04:09:40 PM

Romney is running in 2016.
:rejoice

:snoop

:umad

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 05, 2014, 01:10:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 05, 2014, 01:09:07 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 05, 2014, 01:03:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2014, 04:09:40 PM

Romney is running in 2016.
:rejoice

:snoop

:umad

:tocry

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 05, 2014, 01:23:14 PM

Like my salty tears brehs

 :ufup

I will consult with my fellow black republicans on this matter.

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/There-Are-Dozens-of-Us-Tobias-Funke-Arrested-Development.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 05, 2014, 01:31:25 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 05, 2014, 01:40:53 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/aspiring-politician-hopes-government-leaves-some-w,37526/

Quote

COLUMBIA, MO—Worried that the remaining legal protections in his state will be fully dismantled by the time he can run for office, University of Missouri senior and aspiring politician Andrew Lipian told reporters Monday he hopes the government will leave at least a few women’s rights for him to gut one day.

Quote

“I just want to tell our current legislators, ‘Hey, leave a little bit for me,’ you know?” he continued. “The rest of us would like to have some pro-female policies to undermine, too.”

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: El Babua on December 05, 2014, 04:46:12 PM

It's not like Romney will win the nomination. I expect him to be clowned on to hell and back during the primaries. :rejoice

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2014, 05:16:03 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/head-fake-obama-never-signed-amnesty-order/

Quote

NEW YORK – It’s common knowledge President Obama signed an executive order directing the Department of Homeland Security to forgive millions of illegal aliens for their past violations of immigration law, right?

Wrong.

Today the National Archives and Records Administration, responsible for maintaining such filings, said no such executive order was ever signed or filed, confirming WND’s report Wednesday.

A National Archives librarian, Jeffrey Hartley, made the confirmation in an email Thursday to WND.

“As I indicated, it would appear that there is not an Executive Order stemming from the President’s remarks on November 20 on immigration,” Hartley wrote.

Hartley said that neither of the executive orders Obama signed in Las Vegas the day after his announcement fulfill his plan to defer deportations and grant work permits to up to 5 million illegal aliens.

“The only two documents that I have located are two Presidential Memoranda, which are available from the White House site,” Hartley’s email continued. “They can also be found in the November 26, 2014 issue of the Federal Register.”

http://www.wnd.com/2014/12/amnesty-shocker-the-secret-behind-obamas-order/

Quote

NEW YORK – Did President Obama just set up Department of Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson to be a candidate for impeachment instead of himself if conservatives convince the Republican majorities in the House and the Senate that his “executive actions” on immigration are unconstitutional?

The inquiry begins with the question: Where are the executive orders Obama supposedly signed to permit up to 5 million parents of young illegal aliens to remain in the United States for three years?

The White House appears to have engaged in administrative sleight of hand, changing U.S. immigration law not by executive order but by a memorandum “exercising prosecutorial discretion” Johnson signed the day of Obama’s Nov. 20 nationwide address that so far has not been filed in the Federal Register.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2014, 06:34:15 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/226139-22-people-had-to-approve-romney-tweets

Quote

Aides to Mitt Romney’s presidential team in 2012 are airing their frustrations with the campaign, alleging that tweets had to be approved by nearly two dozen people by the end of the race.

“So whether it was a tweet, Facebook post, blog post, photo — anything you could imagine — it had to be sent around to everyone for approval,” former Romney campaign aide Caitlin Checkett told Daniel Kreiss, an assistant professor at the University of North Carolina’s School of Journalism and Mass Communication in a new academic paper.

“Towards the end of the campaign that was 22 individuals who had to approve it,” Checkett said.

Zac Moffatt, the Romney campaign’s digital director, cracked that they had “the best tweets ever written by 17 people.”

The paper lays bare some of the difficulties Romney’s campaign had in keeping up with the demands of the 21st-century campaign, which requires candidates to push their message on an ever-growing list of online platforms.
Former Romney staffers told Kreiss they were stymied by bureaucracy, even when they had the resources to produce original digital content.

Press releases became the basis for online content simply because they had already been approved by campaign leadership, they said.

“So I felt like that was a huge problem because of course people don’t want to go to your website and read press releases and we knew that,” Checkett said.

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2014/12/michigan_house_approves_religi.html

Quote

LANSING, MI — Michigan’s Republican-led House on Thursday approved a proposed "Religious Freedom Restoration Act," which supporters say is intended to limit government laws that may burden an individual's free exercise of religion.

The fast-tracked bill, sponsored by House Speaker Jase Bolger, was introduced last month and advanced out of committee earlier Thursday. It now heads the Senate for consideration.

The 59-50 party-line House vote occurred just one day after competing proposals to add gay rights protections to Michigan’s anti-discrimination law stalled in committee due to a dispute over including transgender residents.

Bolger, who had indicated he would only support the narrower version of the anti-discrimination bill, said he was sad to see it fail but still felt it important to move ahead with the religious freedom proposal.

“I support individual liberty and I support religious freedom,” Bolger said during committee testimony. “I have been horrified as some have claimed that a person’s faith should only be practiced while hiding in their home or in their church.”

Bolger emphasized that his religious liberty bill would not provide “a license to discriminate,”

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 05, 2014, 06:41:28 PM

With that layer of future government employed assistants on the payroll are we sure Romney isnt a liberal?

:holeup

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 05, 2014, 06:45:59 PM

He's just a successful CEO showing off his management skills, brehs

:heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2014, 03:17:42 PM

Quote from: Esch on December 06, 2014, 01:57:48 PM

http://blogs.riverfronttimes.com/rftmusic/2014/12/ted_nugent_claims_millions_of_black_people_kill_each_other_every_day.php

:bow the ultimate shitheel :bow2

Speaking of sex offenders...

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 06, 2014, 03:27:37 PM

And then there's the fact that Nugent is a pedophile:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/ted-nugents-jailbait-problem_b_4840060.html

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2014, 11:49:11 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/AOlUKMl.jpg)

I'm not sure if I should be offended at this headline from a menstruation angle or a Hurricane Katrina angle, SJWs pls advise.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2014, 12:55:42 AM

I like the fitting of Hillary in the frame.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2014, 09:21:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 07, 2014, 12:55:42 AM

I like the fitting of Hillary in the frame.

Landrieu's defeat was clearly a repudiation of Hillary and her legacy, and also a sign that America is finally ready for President Ben Carson.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 07, 2014, 03:56:43 PM

:rofl

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2014, 04:32:59 PM

dat business acumen

Business don't makes quick, reactive decisions. The growth we're seeing now...has been going on all year - and always increases in the finale months of the year for the holiday sales surge. IE hiring has been ramping up month by month. No business woke up on November 7th and said "oh man, hurry up and hire a bunch of people this month!"

I guess we won't be hearing much "bubububu retail jobs!" anymore huh.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2014, 04:50:19 PM

also worth mentioning this growth continues despite taxes being raised last year, and Obamacare going into effect.
:heh

not to mention gas prices being low despite no Canada pipelinez
:heh

explain complex business cycles/decisions based on bullshit political talking points brehs

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2014, 06:37:29 PM

Do you honestly think major corporations are paying close to what the corporate tax currently is?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2014, 08:24:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2014, 06:37:29 PM

Do you honestly think major corporations are paying close to what the corporate tax currently is?

this. i know for a FACT that the biggest corporations pay around 5% to 10%. :smug

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2014, 09:39:25 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2014, 08:24:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2014, 06:37:29 PM

Do you honestly think major corporations are paying close to what the corporate tax currently is?

this. i know for a FACT that the biggest corporations pay around 5% to 10%. :smug

Same. Corporate tax griefing is almost always built on bullshit. If you want to change corporate taxes you should aim at loop holes and off shore shit.

Next Awesom-O will pimp repatriation. :heh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 08, 2014, 04:52:43 AM

Possibly dumb question, but every time talk of the corporate tax rate comes up, I always hear people saying we should close the loop holes but lower the rate (even Obama says that). My question: why don't we keep the same rates but just close the damn loopholes?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mupepe on December 08, 2014, 08:25:40 AM

I also make a living off that complex nonsense.  I SAY LET IT STAY!

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 08, 2014, 08:55:34 AM

I'd be fine with a scenario where the corporate rate was 27-28% with loopholes and exploits shitcanned...but that's not going to happen.

It makes more sense to lower taxes for small businesses, although I would have done it back in 2009-2010. Now it might not technically be necessary.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2014, 03:45:24 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/us/politics/bush-and-cia-ex-officials-rebut-torture-report.html?_r=0

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2014, 04:07:46 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 08, 2014, 03:45:24 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/08/us/politics/bush-and-cia-ex-officials-rebut-torture-report.html?_r=0

oh, for real? (http://i.imgur.com/fzFLwp7.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2014, 05:04:23 PM

Who are you going to trust, some Democratic Congressional Staffers who were probably like 8 years old on 9/11 or the people who were there, ordering, overseeing and carrying out the torture?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: benjipwns on December 08, 2014, 05:06:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5Xsf1anrNQ

Quote

General Hayden appeared earlier on Sunday on “Face the Nation” on CBS News to say that any assertion that the C.I.A. “lied to everyone about a program that wasn’t doing any good, that beggars the imagination.”

Exactly.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 08, 2014, 05:09:59 PM

If it was so bad that they can't tell us how bad it was, then surely it can't have been that bad.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2014, 01:42:49 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 08, 2014, 05:04:23 PM

Who are you going to trust, some Democratic Congressional Staffers who were probably like 8 years old on 9/11 or the people who were there, ordering, overseeing and carrying out the torture?

(http://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Salty.gif)

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2014, 02:14:10 PM

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/hres758/text

Quote

(12)

calls on North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) allies and United States partners in Europe and other nations around the world to suspend all military cooperation with Russia, including prohibiting the sale to the Russian Government of lethal and non-lethal military equipment;
(13)

reaffirms the commitment of the United States to its obligations under the North Atlantic Treaty, especially Article 5, and calls on all Alliance member states to provide their full share of the resources needed to ensure their collective defense;
(14)

urges the President, in consultation with Congress, to conduct a review of the force posture, readiness, and responsibilities of United States Armed Forces and the forces of other members of NATO to determine if the contributions and actions of each are sufficient to meet the obligations of collective self-defense under Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty and to specify the measures needed to remedy any deficiencies;

Bang them drums. Why is no one covering this? It just passed the house Saturday.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 09, 2014, 04:10:18 PM

Man, I don't wanna a full blown tussel in this day of age- them nukes :(

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2014, 04:31:58 PM

People actually think Obama is gonna go ahead with a full-blown war against Russia? :comeon

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: kingkitty on December 09, 2014, 07:12:08 PM

torture  :fbm

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2014, 09:23:29 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 09, 2014, 04:31:58 PM

People actually think Obama is gonna go ahead with a full-blown war against Russia? :comeon

No, but a good chunk of the house does. It's probably all just sabre rattling, but we have a lot of fucking idiots in control of the sabre.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2014, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: kingkitty on December 09, 2014, 07:12:08 PM

torture  :fbm

Torture defenders  :-X

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Oblivion on December 09, 2014, 11:08:55 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on December 08, 2014, 06:30:43 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on December 08, 2014, 04:52:43 AM

Possibly dumb question, but every time talk of the corporate tax rate comes up, I always hear people saying we should close the loop holes but lower the rate (even Obama says that). My question: why don't we keep the same rates but just close the damn loopholes?

That would be because the rate is fucking high - and not just in some kind of "opinion that taxes should be low" sense, but relative to everywhere else - and businesses will pass those costs on to the consumer assuming they stay centered in the U.S. at all... which strongly incentivizes moving, because then they wouldn't have to raise prices and thus lose business... meaning that instead of getting a fraction of that big number based on "loopholes," you get nothing.

It's not like personal income taxes are much different with all the stupid deductions, overly complex and almost randomly punishing or rewarding you for random and stupid things.

The U.S. tax system is not just arcane, it is the blackest of magic, which is why the Karakands of the world have work doing something so trivial and dependent entirely on bureaucracy and complexity that is not needed.

Where are the job creators gonna flee to if we make tax shelters like the Cayman Islands illegal?

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2014, 01:40:54 AM

Ta-Nahesi Coates shits all over the death of The New Republic.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/12/the-new-republic-an-appreciation/383561/?single_page=true

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 10, 2014, 02:01:39 AM

what follows will be a variety of liberal writers RTing that article, nevermind they were handwriting over the sad death of TNR mere days ago.

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Brehvolution on December 10, 2014, 12:13:28 PM

The calls from the UN to prosecute the torture architects. :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Won't happen

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Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 10, 2014, 12:23:45 PM

I wonder what Ronald Reagan would think!

“The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of [this] Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.

The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called ‘universal jurisdiction.’ Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution,” -Ronald Reagan's signing statement on the ratification of the UN Convention on Torture.

:ohhh

Title: Re: PERMANENT REPUBLICAN MAJORITY!!! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2014, 12:40:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUkj9pjx3H0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vESKdr8uqE

Torture totally isn't a big deal, guys, especially if it's just mental stuff!

Besides, we only did it against the bad guys*!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*As designated by the CIA

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Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2014, 02:02:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tIjARbeCKOg

Feinstein admits more violence to come because of Democrats actions!

Quote

Former CIA official Jose Rodriguez joined Sean Hannity on "Hannity" tonight to discuss the release of a report on the CIA's enhanced interrogation methods.

"It's a very dark day for the CIA," Rodriguez, the former Director of the National Clandestine Service, said. "I think the CIA's being thrown under the bus."

He explained that politicians are playing "political football" with the agency, asserting that both the Senate and the committee were briefed multiple times on what the CIA was doing.

"We feel that we briefed them, we briefed them thoroughly, and they are hypocritical," Rodriguez said.

He added that only three people were waterboarded during the entire length of the interrogation program.

He also disagreed with the report's conclusion that the enhanced interrogation methods were ineffective at protecting Americans and stated that anyone who was there knows that's not true.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 10, 2014, 10:01:10 PM

Quote

“Senate Republicans met behind closed doors Tuesday to debate whether they should reverse changes to the filibuster that made it easier for Senate Democrats to confirm President Obama’s nominees,” the Hill reports:

While many expressed anger over last years’ [sic] move by the Democrats and Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) to unilaterally change the rules through a procedure known as the “nuclear option,” some say the new rules should be kept in case a Republican wins the White House in 2016. . . .
Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) told reporters that, while the nuclear option was a “mistake,” he believes the new GOP Senate should keep the rules.
“I don’t think there should be one rule for Democrats and one rule for Republicans,” he said.

In favor of restoring the rule, which effectively required 60 votes to confirm a nominee, is South Carolina’s Lindsey Graham, who was a member of the so-called Gang of 14, a bipartisan group that negotiated a 2005 compromise to avert a Republican attempt to go nuclear:

Graham said both veterans and newcomers to the Senate are on both sides of the issue.

“It’s a hard thing to figure out, but it’s always been easy for me,” he said. “Before I got here, the place seemed to work OK. . . .”

I just want to make some kind of joke about that last line.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2014, 10:31:48 PM

:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2014, 12:48:48 AM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vice-president-dick-cheney-cia-torture-report-full/story?id=27513355

Quote

Former Vice President Dick Cheney says a declassified Senate report on the controversial post-9/11 CIA interrogation program is "full of crap."

"I think it is a terrible report, deeply flawed," Cheney said on Fox News, his first televised interview since the report's release. "It's a classic example of where politicians get together and throw professionals under the bus."

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2014, 12:51:08 AM

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/12/12-10-2014-2-19-42-PM.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/12/12-10-2014-2-23-41-PM.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2014/12/12-10-2014-2-24-00-PM.png)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2014, 12:59:37 AM

Let's just give everybody a gun and allow them to carry it around with them everywhere they go.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2014, 01:03:21 AM

Just realized they did the other poll after a bunch of little kids had just gotten gunned down, meanwhile the last mass shooting* this year was I think that one back in May in California?

*not committed by law enforcement

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2014, 12:59:37 AM

Let's just give everybody a gun and allow them to carry it around with them everywhere they go.

To protect themselves from Dick Cheney?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 11, 2014, 10:29:31 AM

The democrat torture report is full of crap. The gop benghazi report is full of crap. THis should be Obama's attitude whenever he is asked to answer a gop talking point... "It's full of crap."

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2014, 10:37:46 AM

Quote

Asked if there was ever a point where he knew more about the CIA's activity than the President, Cheney said "I think he knew everything he needed to know and wanted to know about the program."

:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2014, 11:06:42 AM

I think Senator Church might have said something about this once, but he was a Democrat so it probably doesn't matter.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2014, 11:27:41 AM

I still don't understand why Obama wasted part of the early portion of his second term on guns, knowing it wouldn't work with a republican House. Automatic weapons aren't even the problem - the problem revolves around illegal guns pumped into inner cities through straw purchases and other underground transactions.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2014, 01:12:53 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 11, 2014, 11:27:41 AM

the problem revolves around illegal guns pumped into inner cities through straw purchases and other underground transactions.

Look at the Fox News talking head whining about Fast and Furious.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2014, 01:17:40 AM

To be serious though, I think in the wake of the 2012 victory the bubble Democrats really bought into that baloney 90% poll as if it meant there was a huge wave in their direction with the American people clamoring for a comprehensive bill Feinstein had written four years earlier that went to the absurdity of banning specific gun models by name.

They were constantly brushing off that it was just about background checks, which is already effectively the law, and reading more into it than there was.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 12, 2014, 02:11:08 PM

Not to mention all the groups that arose with questionable polls "proving" Americans had woken up on guns, and would vote against politicians who opposed gun control. The only people who vote on guns are pro-gun people. That has always been the case.

I doubt it would have worked, but Obama should have nixed Feinstein's automatic weapon bullshit. It wouldn't even be a concession - banning automatic weapons would not lower gun crime given the fact that the majority of gun crimes are committed with handguns. Focusing on background checks, shitcanned straw purchases, etc would have made far more sense and perhaps been less controversial. I still don't think it would have worked though.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2014, 02:21:03 PM

Tea Party : taxes :: Gamergate : ethics in game journalism

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tea-partiers-protest-lynch-obama

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Trent Dole on December 12, 2014, 06:55:04 PM

Haha only two dozen people. The Ferguson etc. March at my community college last week had more participants than that.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2014, 10:00:32 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2014/12/11/remember-that-time-elizabeth-warren-said-a-shutdown-was-anarchy/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oApCaYeFfFM

Quote

You’d think that they believe that the government that functions best is a government that doesn’t function at all. So far, they haven’t ended government, but they have achieved the next best thing: shutting the government down. But behind all the slogans of the Tea Party and all the thinly veiled calls for anarchy in Washington, behind all that, there’s a reality.

The American people don’t want the extremist Republican’s bizarre vision of a future without government. They don’t support it. Why? Because the American people know that without government, we would no longer be a great nation with a bright future. The American people know that government matters.

The anarchy gang is quick to malign government, but when was the last time anyone called for regulators to go easier on companies that put lead in children’s toys? Or for food inspectors to stop checking whether the meat in our grocery stores is crawling with deadly bacteria? Or for the FDA to ignore whether morning sickness drugs will cause horrible deformities in little babies? We never hear that, not from political leaders in Washington and not from the American people.

 :teehee

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 12, 2014, 10:03:19 PM

Quote

Life Imitates Al Gore

“I will put Medicare and Social Security in a lockbox and protect them. . . . Under my plan I will put Medicare in an iron clad lockbox. . . .. I would be interested to see if [George W. Bush] would say this evening he’ll put Medicare in a lockbox. . . . I think we need to put Medicare and Social Security in a lockbox. The governor will not put Medicare in a lockbox. . . . I will keep Social Security in a lockbox. . . . I think it should stay in a lockbox.”—Al Gore, presidential debate, Oct. 3, 2000

“Most of us don’t save enough. When governments try to encourage saving, they usually enact big policies to increase the incentives. But, in Kenya, people were given a lockable metal box—a simple place to put their money. After one year, the people with metal boxes increased savings by so much that they had 66 percent more money available to pay for health emergencies. It would have taken a giant tax reform to produce a shift in behavior that large.”—David Brooks, New York Times, Dec. 12, 2014

heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 12, 2014, 10:05:34 PM

Quote David Brooks, brehs

:what

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2014, 09:08:50 PM

https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/543949210182488064 (https://twitter.com/amandacarpenter/status/543949210182488064)
(http://i.imgur.com/xua8Y6G.png)

edit: she deleted it lol. here
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4yAU7hCIAEqECM.jpg)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 13, 2014, 09:31:54 PM

Cromnibus is a pretty awesome word, though.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on December 13, 2014, 09:59:50 PM

That idiot Ted Cruz just allowed Obama to get 11 more federal judges on the bench than he would have gotten otherwise. :rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2014, 12:25:32 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cheney-torture-report-innocent-detainee

Host Chuck Todd asked Cheney to respond to the Senate Intelligence Committee report's account that one detainee was "chained to the wall of a cell, doused with water, froze to death in CIA custody."

"And it turned out it was a case of mistaken identity," Todd said.

"Right," Cheney responded. "But the problem I have was with all of the folks that we did release that end up back on the battlefield."

"I’m more concerned with bad guys who got out and released than I am with a few that in fact were innocent," he continued.

Todd pressed Cheney, asking if he was okay with the fact that about 25 percent of the detainees interrogated were actually innocent.

"I have no problem as long as we achieve our objective. And our objective is to get the guys who did 9/11 and it is to avoid another attack against the United States," Cheney responded.

:what

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Rufus on December 14, 2014, 03:12:02 PM

What a callous bastard.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2014, 04:37:12 PM

Looks like A_I_A's cable box got pinged:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZprEcvi.png)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2014, 09:30:44 PM

Be a despotic government and defend it, brehs.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2014, 09:52:25 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 15, 2014, 04:37:12 PM

Looks like A_I_A's cable box got pinged:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZprEcvi.png)

First off

 :neogaf

Secondly. I don't watch Fox or CNN, I watch C-Span. Can't stand either side's grandstanding.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Eric P on December 16, 2014, 10:21:33 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2014/12/16/?entry=7098&smid=nytpolitics&_r=0

 Jeb Bush to ‘Actively Explore’ a 2016 Run for President

Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida, announced on Twitter and Facebook that he has “decided to actively explore the possibility of running for President of the United States.”

Mr. Bush has long been rumored as a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2016, and said in early December that he would be making a decision “in short order” on whether or not he would run.

The announcement by Mr. Bush does not say he has formed an exploratory committee, just that he is will form a leadership PAC in January.

ugh, remakes.  who cares if they genderflip one of the participants

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 10:23:07 AM

Only have 2 families to vote for in a democracy, brehs.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2014, 10:23:39 AM

Quote from: Eric P on December 16, 2014, 10:21:33 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2014/12/16/?entry=7098&smid=nytpolitics&_r=0

 Jeb Bush to ‘Actively Explore’ a 2016 Run for President

Jeb Bush, the former governor of Florida, announced on Twitter and Facebook that he has “decided to actively explore the possibility of running for President of the United States.”

Mr. Bush has long been rumored as a potential Republican presidential candidate in 2016, and said in early December that he would be making a decision “in short order” on whether or not he would run.

The announcement by Mr. Bush does not say he has formed an exploratory committee, just that he is will form a leadership PAC in January.

ugh, remakes.  who cares if they genderflip one of the participants

I personally can't wait for Bush vs Clinton IV when the dopey daughters get their turn.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 10:35:05 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 10:23:07 AM

Only have 2 families to vote for in a democracy, brehs.

Warren/Sanders 2016
BELIEVE

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2014, 12:52:19 PM

Why would you want Warren as president with a GOP house? Were you such a fan of the last 6 years that you want more? More inexperienced presidents dealing with obstructionists and corporatists?
:what

give me Hillary. Maintain the status quo (sane judges, protect the based god Obamacare at all costs, etc) while Warren works to slowly make the senate more liberal (like Cruz has helped make the senate/house more conservative). Only bad thing is that we'll likely be knee deep in a military conflict for dick waving purposes.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 12:55:23 PM

You guys think I'm actually being serious about Warren? :neogaf

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2014, 01:28:42 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 12:55:23 PM

You guys think I'm actually being serious about Warren? :neogaf

you tell me, DOG.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 01:54:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 16, 2014, 01:28:42 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 12:55:23 PM

You guys think I'm actually being serious about Warren? :neogaf

you tell me, DOG.

Sorry, but I don't relish the idea of a President Rubio.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 16, 2014, 02:05:20 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 10:35:05 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 10:23:07 AM

Only have 2 families to vote for in a democracy, brehs.

Warren/Sanders 2016
BELIEVE

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/06/didnt-read.gif)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Trent Dole on December 16, 2014, 10:48:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 10:35:05 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 10:23:07 AM

Only have 2 families to vote for in a democracy, brehs.

Warren/Sanders 2016
BELIEVE

Warren can't win a national election, be honest with yourself. She's my senator, and I generally absolutely love her, but she is not someone middle America would vote for cause she's an actual genuine honest to god motherfucking progressive. :rock And America keeps shifting more and more rightward lately. :tocry

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 17, 2014, 10:48:16 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on December 16, 2014, 10:48:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2014, 10:35:05 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 16, 2014, 10:23:07 AM

Only have 2 families to vote for in a democracy, brehs.

Warren/Sanders 2016
BELIEVE

Warren can't win a national election, be honest with yourself. She's my senator, and I generally absolutely love her, but she is not someone middle America would vote for cause she's an actual genuine honest to god motherfucking progressive. :rock And America keeps shifting more and more rightward lately. :tocry

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2012/06/didnt-read.gif)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2014, 11:05:17 AM

Can't wait to see Calgary Cruz complain about relations with Cuba being normalized.

Bring me dem cigars. :rejoice :mynicca

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 17, 2014, 11:09:35 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 17, 2014, 11:05:17 AM

Can't wait to see Calgary Cruz complain about relations with Cuba being normalized.

Bring me dem cigars. :rejoice :mynicca

(http://cdn.lolzbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Liam-Neeson-Totally-Looks-Like-Fidel-Castro.jpeg)

:yeshrug

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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 17, 2014, 12:02:23 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on December 17, 2014, 11:09:35 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 17, 2014, 11:05:17 AM

Can't wait to see Calgary Cruz complain about relations with Cuba being normalized.

Bring me dem cigars. :rejoice :mynicca

(http://cdn.lolzbook.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Liam-Neeson-Totally-Looks-Like-Fidel-Castro.jpeg)

:yeshrug

:ohhh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Eric P on December 17, 2014, 12:03:32 PM

Americans can bring back $100 worth of cigars and rum

aw yeah

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2014, 12:17:15 PM

 :win

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2014, 12:20:24 PM

Quote from: Eric P on December 17, 2014, 12:03:32 PM

Americans can bring back $100 worth of cigars and rum

aw yeah

Really? So can I bring them back from Canada now? Always wanted a Cuban cigar, but I'd rather not get busted at the border.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Eric P on December 17, 2014, 12:52:25 PM

that i can't answer.  i'm sure we'll get an explainer soon enough

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2014, 12:57:27 PM

Quote from: Eric P on December 17, 2014, 12:52:25 PM

that i can't answer.  i'm sure we'll get an explainer soon enough

Yeah, I'm just curious. Probably not something I should ask during my NEXUS card interview in March. :lol

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2014, 01:04:02 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on December 17, 2014, 12:20:24 PM

Quote from: Eric P on December 17, 2014, 12:03:32 PM

Americans can bring back $100 worth of cigars and rum

aw yeah

Really? So can I bring them back from Canada now? Always wanted a Cuban cigar, but I'd rather not get busted at the border.

Unless it was by Boogie.  :-*

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2014, 01:17:19 PM

Demand is going to skyrocket so that $100 might only be 1 or 2 cigars.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2014, 01:27:47 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 17, 2014, 01:17:19 PM

Demand is going to skyrocket so that $100 might only be 1 or 2 cigars.

thanks Obama
:pacspit

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2014, 04:59:58 PM

So, we've had the same policy towards Cuba for basically 60 years and it hasn't done a single thing to solve any of their problems or magically imbue them with Freedom™, but now that Obama has finally announced a new approach idiots like Cruz and Rubio think it's the worst thing ever. I'd like to say that I'm surprised by that, but I'm not.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-obama-cuba-statement
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/marco-rubio-obama-worst-negotiator-alan-gross

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2014, 05:04:05 PM

Quote from: Dufus on December 17, 2014, 04:54:35 PM

Can anyone explain to me why exiles in Florida or whatever are feeling "betrayed" like it says on some news networks. Why would Cubans living in the states give a shit about having diplomatic relations? Isn't that a good thing so they can visit relatives or some shits?

If we just embargoed a little bit harder, Castro would have came out with his hands up and Cuba could have been Puerto Rico 2.0.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on December 17, 2014, 05:08:12 PM

A lot of the Cubans mad were rich Cubans who got their shit taken in the revolution.  They still mad.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2014, 06:58:53 PM

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/15/exclusive-james-mitchell-man-who-interrogated-khalid-sheikh-mohammed-speaks-out-kelly

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Mitchell told Kelly that he feels horrible because this report puts Americans at risk.

“It shows al Qaeda and the al Qaeda 2.0 folks, ISIL, that we’re divided and that we’re easy targets, that we don’t have the will to defeat them because that’s what they know. In fact, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed told me personally, ‘Your country will turn on you, the liberal media will turn on you, the people will grow tired of this, they will turn on you, and when they do, you are going to be abandoned.'”

lawl, I can just picture Khalid Sheikh Mohammed being all like "MWHAHA just wait until your Liberal American Media finds out about this!" inbetween getting waterboarded 150 times.  :snoop

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on December 17, 2014, 07:03:49 PM

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed leading us to the real enemy?  Seems torture does work :american

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Post by: Dickie Dee on December 17, 2014, 07:05:02 PM

Don't know what's worse, him lying about that story or one of our "master interrogators" having the script flipped on him so easily...

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2014, 07:13:12 PM

It's like one of those awful 90's thrillers where the cops finally get the bad guy and he confesses to everything, but then he's like "But it's too late, you've already lost" and a hospital blows up or something.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 18, 2014, 07:52:54 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 17, 2014, 01:17:19 PM

Demand is going to skyrocket so that $100 might only be 1 or 2 cigars.

Got 5 cohibas in my humidor, make me an offer breh..

:hitler

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 18, 2014, 11:23:09 AM

(http://cdn.inquisitr.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Bill-Clinton-with-young-blonde-and-her-mom-Twitter-665x385.jpg)

 :heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 18, 2014, 04:23:46 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on December 17, 2014, 05:08:12 PM

A lot of the Cubans mad were rich Cubans who got their shit taken in the revolution.  They still mad.

Yep. The younger not-so-rich Cubans aren't as opposed to getting rid of the embargo.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2014, 04:46:02 PM

Dan Le Batard was salty this morning on Cowherd's show, saying that we were making deals with Cuba's Hitler.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2014, 05:52:52 PM

Get mad over ending a useless embargo against Cuba, but gloss over selling weapons to Iran to fund brutal Central American regimes, doing deals with Saddam Hussein, and propping up the Taliban against Russia.

:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2014, 06:01:59 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 18, 2014, 04:46:02 PM

Dan Le Batard was salty this morning on Cowherd's show, saying that we were making deals with Cuba's Hitler.

Edit: Although he did acknowledge this was an emotional response, rather than a rational response, and that some Cubans like himself and especially his parents were never going to accept this no matter how many sense it made just because there are too many feels involved.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 18, 2014, 09:29:11 PM

Be mad salty that 50 years wasn't long enough, brehs.

Complain about communism and how it will get more expensive to vacation there because of capitalism, brehs.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2014, 10:25:07 PM

Quote from: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/unidentified-queen-torture?mbid

The NBC News investigative reporter Matthew Cole has pieced together a remarkable story revealing that a single senior officer, who is still in a position of high authority over counterterrorism at the C.I.A.—a woman who he does not name—appears to have been a source of years’ worth of terrible judgment, with tragic consequences for the United States. Her story runs through the entire report. She dropped the ball when the C.I.A. was given information that might very well have prevented the 9/11 attacks; she gleefully participated in torture sessions afterward; she misinterpreted intelligence in such a way that it sent the C.I.A. on an absurd chase for Al Qaeda sleeper cells in Montana. And then she falsely told congressional overseers that the torture worked.

Had the Senate Intelligence Committee been permitted to use pseudonyms for the central characters in its report, as all previous congressional studies of intelligence failures, including the widely heralded Church Committee report in 1975, have done, it might not have taken a painstaking, and still somewhat cryptic, investigation after the fact in order for the American public to hold this senior official accountable. Many people who have worked with her over the years expressed shock to NBC that she has been entrusted with so much power. A former intelligence officer who worked directly with her is quoted by NBC, on background, as saying that she bears so much responsibility for so many intelligence failures that “she should be put on trial and put in jail for what she has done.”

Instead, however, she has been promoted to the rank of a general in the military, most recently working as the head of the C.I.A.’s global-jihad unit. In that perch, she oversees the targeting of terror suspects around the world. (She was also, in part, the model for the lead character in “Zero Dark Thirty.”)

:goty

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2014, 11:52:38 PM

GLEN SHINOBI IS *STILL* MAD AT HARRY REID, THO

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/senate-nuclear-option-seals-obama-judicial-legacy

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 01:01:42 AM

Queen of Torture sounds kinda hot, tbh. Need pics first tho, do it New Yorker.

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Post by: Oblivion on December 19, 2014, 04:56:38 AM

:bow Dirty Harry :bow2

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 19, 2014, 02:53:48 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-slams-marco-rubio-cuba

:obama

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 19, 2014, 03:05:09 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-ribs-politico-europe

:whew

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2014, 11:59:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/lj8lUBS.png)

that ether :dead

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2014, 12:33:21 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rubio-rand-paul-cuba-obama-cheerleader

"Rand, if he wants to become the chief cheerleader of Obama's foreign policy, he certainly has a right to do that," Rubio said on ABC's "This Week" when host George Stephanopoulos asked about the senators' fight over policy toward Cuba.

"I'm going to continue to oppose the Obama -- Obama-Paul foreign policy on Cuba because I know it won't lead to freedom and liberty for the Cuban people, which is my sole interest here," Rubio continued.

:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: sarslip on December 22, 2014, 09:12:04 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2014, 11:59:51 PM

that ether :dead

get sonned by senator rand paul

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 22, 2014, 12:17:42 PM

Quote from: Esch on December 21, 2014, 10:20:31 PM

http://www.vox.com/2014/5/25/5748178/todays-teenagers-are-the-best-behaved-generation-on-record

bu-bu-bu tumblr

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2014, 12:47:30 PM

lol old people :piss2

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 22, 2014, 03:34:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 19, 2014, 11:59:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/lj8lUBS.png)

that ether :dead

(http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/This-Is-Gonna-Be-Good-Creeper-Bird-Popcorn.gif)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2014, 05:49:54 PM

Looks like hardline conservatives may have figured out a way to get a wingnut nominated instead of those pussies like McCain and Romney

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/dixie-rising-113734.html?hp=t2_r

:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2014, 06:31:31 PM

meanwhile the media pretends like Jeb "Immigration/Common Core" Bush has a shot.
:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2014, 06:36:32 PM

I will vote for the worst option that is most viable in the GOP primary field. I hope to fuck that it's Santorum.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2014, 07:39:59 PM

Frothy Rick 2016
Believe

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Trent Dole on December 22, 2014, 10:44:49 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2014, 05:49:54 PM

Looks like hardline conservatives may have figured out a way to get a wingnut nominated instead of those pussies like McCain and Romney

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/dixie-rising-113734.html?hp=t2_r

:heh

The less electable the better. :pacspit

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2014, 05:18:56 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2014, 06:36:32 PM

I will vote for the worst option that is most viable in the GOP primary field. I hope to fuck that it's Santorum.

I'd pull the lever for Ben Carson. :bow

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 23, 2014, 10:29:15 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on December 23, 2014, 05:18:56 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2014, 06:36:32 PM

I will vote for the worst option that is most viable in the GOP primary field. I hope to fuck that it's Santorum.

I'd pull the lever for Ben Carson.

 :flabbypd

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on December 23, 2014, 01:06:59 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/12/22/1353667/-How-many-days-did-the-TeaParty-cease-activies-after-their-supporters-Killed-Cops

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on December 23, 2014, 07:36:48 PM

This has been a pet issue of mine that I've been following ever so closely, and today Ezra Klein spells it out as plainly as possible:

Quote

When the Affordable Care Act was first grinding its way through Congress, some liberal writers noticed just how bad a deal Democratic states were getting. "Those in the red states still smarting over Barack Obama's election victory can perhaps take solace in this," MacGillis wrote. "The Democrats' No. 1 domestic policy initiative, universal health care, is likely to help red America at the expense of blue."

Quote

So all else equal, a bill that spends its money covering the uninsured is going to spend more money in red states than blue ones. But all else isn't equal. The way Obamacare pays for itself also favors red states.

Quote

But after the Supreme Court's ruling, Republican governors and legislatures in state after state rejected the expansion. Rejecting the Medicaid expansion, however, doesn't exempt a state from the taxes and spending cuts Obamacare uses to fund the Medicaid expansion. A September analysis from McClatchy estimated that "if the 23 states that have rejected expanding Medicaid under the 2010 health care law continue to do so for the next eight years, they’ll pay $152 billion to extend the program in other states — while receiving nothing in return." That's a helluva gift from (mostly) red states to (mostly) blue ones.

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Now the Supreme Court will take up King v. Burwell, in which the plaintiffs argue that the text of the Affordable Care Act makes it illegal for subsidies to flow through federally-run exchanges. If they're successful, then it will be possible for a state that opposes to Obamacare to withdraw from both the Medicaid expansion and the exchange subsidies — that is to say, from pretty much all of Obamacare's benefits. But they will still pay all of its costs. They will still pay the law's taxes and their residents will still feel the law's Medicare cuts. Obamacare will become a pure subsidy from the states that hate the law most to the states that have embraced it. It's like a fiscal version of reverse psychology.

http://www.vox.com/2014/12/23/7440131/obamacare-red-states (http://www.vox.com/2014/12/23/7440131/obamacare-red-states)

 :dead
This is the only positive thing that would come out of the SC voting in favor of the Republican argument. Way to sock it to Obama you stupid fucks.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 23, 2014, 08:08:06 PM

It's was inevitable, the state is too small. I'd love to see California try it...

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Post by: Oblivion on December 25, 2014, 03:52:13 PM

Quote

The man was waiting to board American Airlines Flight 1140 to Dallas when a cheerful gate agent began welcoming everyone with the Yuletide greeting while checking boarding passes.

The grumpy passenger, who appeared to be traveling alone, barked at the woman, “You shouldn’t say that because not everyone celebrates Christmas.”

The agent replied, “Well, what should I say then?”

“Don’t say, ‘Merry Christmas!’ ” the man shouted before brushing past her.

Once on the plane, he was warmly greeted by a flight attendant who also wished him a “merry Christmas.” That was the last straw.

“Don’t say, ‘Merry Christmas!’ ” the man raged before lecturing the attendants and the pilot about their faux pas.

The crew tried to calm the unidentified man, but he refused to back down and continued hectoring them.

https://www.yahoo.com/travel/plane-passenger-tossed-after-flipping-out-over-106144235462.html

I knew Obama would eventually snap one of these days.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 25, 2014, 11:17:19 PM

...we gonna forget the time that one dude got banned for stanning Avatar?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 27, 2014, 10:40:57 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on December 23, 2014, 07:54:10 PM

Vermont dropped its single-payer plan last week, in case anyone missed that.

(http://i.imgur.com/WEo5yjW.png)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2014, 02:24:01 PM

attribute meaningless political shit to complex structures brehs :dead

Imagine if Romney was president right now and had authorized the Keystone Pipeline. They'd be claiming it led to the low gas prices. I watched some of Obama's press conference a few weeks ago and you could tell he cherished the chance to troll by explaining how world gas prices work, vs the Beltway bullshit approach to explaining things by pointing to irrelevant shit.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 27, 2014, 05:19:38 PM

http://gawker.com/ta-nehisi-coates-responds-its-a-privilege-for-me-to-b-1674748746 (http://gawker.com/ta-nehisi-coates-responds-its-a-privilege-for-me-to-b-1674748746)

TNC with that work  :whew

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Rufus on December 27, 2014, 07:21:14 PM

He literally spells it out. No reason to doubt that it's true for him.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2014, 08:14:25 PM

He's arguing it's a privilege in a specific sense for him (academically benefiting from teachers who cured him of bullshit views on race at a HBCU), not a privilege overall in a grander scope.

I haven't read Sullivan's defense but I'm kind of surprised by the comments I have seen. I can understand publishing the article back then, but now it's pretty clear that the book was bullshit and intellect isn't based on race. Hell a brief look at African v African American test scores could tell you doing well in school is largely a product of environment/parents.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on December 31, 2014, 04:07:45 AM

Economists by media mentions over 90 days and their publishing ranking:
(http://cdn.static-economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/images/print-edition/20150103_FNC944_2.png)

I would have done the top 30 or 50 honestly. There's too many long-term and a pair of short-term media presences to get much out of it.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on December 31, 2014, 08:22:11 PM

Quote

He said Republicans should tell constituents that “not all tax cuts pay for themselves” and warn about potential revenue shortfalls.

Oh yeah that's totally gonna happen, brehs. Not telling people about the negative effects is how they sell supply side garbage to begin with.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on January 02, 2015, 12:45:37 PM

I noticed the Bore's collective opinion of the Republican party is so low that the number 3 in Congress speaking to a bunch of white supremacists didn't even a "meh" here.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Rufus on January 02, 2015, 12:50:06 PM

I've read about that, but didn't think of posting it here.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2015, 01:14:46 PM

I don't really see the distinction between speaking to racists and/or speaking to bankers, lobbyists, corporatists, predatory religious figures.

If anything, racists are usually in their own little solitary bubbles and don't really hurt people in the ways those other groups do.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2015, 01:16:16 PM

Except the one in the White House.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2015, 01:27:54 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2015, 01:14:46 PM

I don't really see the distinction between speaking to racists and/or speaking to bankers, lobbyists, corporatists, predatory religious figures.

If anything, racists are usually in their own little solitary bubbles and don't really hurt people in the ways those other groups do.

You trying to tell me there wouldn't be a shit show if James Clyburn (the black, Democratic whip in the house) spoke to, say, the New Black Panthers or the Nation of Islam?

 :comeon

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on January 02, 2015, 01:42:01 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 02, 2015, 01:27:54 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2015, 01:14:46 PM

I don't really see the distinction between speaking to racists and/or speaking to bankers, lobbyists, corporatists, predatory religious figures.

If anything, racists are usually in their own little solitary bubbles and don't really hurt people in the ways those other groups do.

You trying to tell me there wouldn't be a shit show if James Clyburn (the black, Democratic whip in the house) spoke to, say, the New Black Panthers or the Nation of Islam?

 :comeon

Get caught in a lazy TA troll brehs.  2015 isn't any different :fbm

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2015, 01:47:46 PM

Obama being associated with Jeremiah Wright was a controversy for forever, and that dude's got nothing on David Duke.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2015, 03:52:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 02, 2015, 01:42:01 PM

Get caught in a lazy TA troll brehs.  2015 isn't any different :fbm

Cut me some slack. If I apply myself hard enough, I bet I can even get Mandark to log in and respond.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on January 02, 2015, 03:58:40 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 02, 2015, 03:52:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 02, 2015, 01:42:01 PM

Get caught in a lazy TA troll brehs.  2015 isn't any different :fbm

Cut me some slack. If I apply myself hard enough, I bet I can even get Mandark to log in and respond.

"if" :ufup

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on January 02, 2015, 04:53:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 02, 2015, 12:45:37 PM

I noticed the Bore's collective opinion of the Republican party is so low that the number 3 in Congress speaking to a bunch of white supremacists didn't even a "meh" here.

I've said elsewhere that I'm not even against Boehner keeping him in his leadership position. It's not like there's any difference policy-wise between Scalise and your average Republican.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2015, 06:02:33 PM

Remember when Obama got attacked by republicans (and Hillary Clinton) because Louis Farrakhan said nice things about him?
:heh

Honestly I don't care about this story but still. All it really does is highlight how in tune the modern GOP's policy goals are with David Duke's 90s platform, which was essentially the embodiment of Southern Strategy politics. Blacks get hurt more than whites (not true)...so gut education, gut welfare, etc.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2015, 05:24:13 PM

Whatchu gotta say about this, PD?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mia-love-scalise-white-nationalist-group-speech

:jawalrus

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2015, 06:38:22 PM

A black female Mormon

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 04, 2015, 08:28:23 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 04, 2015, 05:24:13 PM

Whatchu gotta say about this, PD?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mia-love-scalise-white-nationalist-group-speech

:jawalrus

Honestly...eh. As I said earlier the GOP has basically adopted Duke's 90s platform.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 06, 2015, 09:42:21 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-oreilly-david-duke-shouting-match

Quote

"I'm not a white supremacist at all, in fact the European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO) was a charted civil rights organization," Duke said, adding that he fought the "racial discrimination" of affirmative action while serving in Louisiana's state legislature.

(http://i.imgur.com/vaMSUAA.gif)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2015, 09:51:14 AM

What part of "race realist" don't you understand?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 06, 2015, 11:08:58 AM

He doesn't hate black people, he just really loves white people.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 06, 2015, 08:34:41 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/05/this-post-shamelessly-uses-frederick-county-md-council-member-kirby-delauters-name-without-authorization/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/01/05/this-post-shamelessly-uses-frederick-county-md-council-member-kirby-delauters-name-without-authorization/)

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Kirby Delauter, a Frederick County (Maryland) Council Member threatens a local journalist (Bethany Rodgers) for … using his name without permission in a newspaper article. No, really:

Uh, Council Member: In our country, newspapers are actually allowed to write about elected officials (and others) without their permission. It’s an avantgarde experiment, to be sure, but we’ve had some success with it.

(http://img.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2015/01/Delauter.jpg)

 :heh more like kirby debutthurt amirite

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 06, 2015, 08:39:42 PM

"You used my name in a paper!? Liberal agenda!"

Tourettes :aah

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2015, 09:00:25 PM

And conservatives wonder why people think they're dumb

:jawalrus

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 06, 2015, 11:30:43 PM

"Your rights stop where mine start."

I don't get it, did she write the article in her uterus?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2015, 09:49:39 AM

Is there a good round up on Dynamic Scoring and why it's the devil?

I read a basic thing because i'm a basic bitch but it doesn't seem to be the harbinger of doom it is made out to be

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 07, 2015, 10:38:24 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/01/dynamic-scoring-cooks-the-books-113977.html
http://www.forbes.com/sites/joshbarro/2012/04/14/a-problem-with-dynamic-scoring/

From what I gather, dynamic scoring takes into account the positive economic benefits and "additional revenue" that cutting taxes would accomplish.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2015, 10:57:21 AM

I see.  So both Static and Dynamic have issues, but Dynamic favors Republican models.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2015, 11:16:22 AM

You could also look at Kansas. The model justifies itself by assuming growth/revenue wil be generated due to the lower tax rate increasing spending amongst businesses or the rich. It's like an Advanced D&D version of trickle down economics.

Many economic models and spending analysis predict things. As a small example let's say you have a bill that requires the hiring of 500 workers to complete a construction job in a city. If you're working on revenue projections for the city there might be some predictions involved. An influx of 500 workers would increase spending within the area - workers buying lunch at your restaurants, shopping at your stores, etc - which could result in businesses hiring more workers due to increased demand. But if you predict that revenue will be so high it can cover a permanent tax cut for the city or another big spending project, you're playing with pixie dust.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2015, 12:03:19 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 07, 2015, 11:19:02 AM

You're introducing an additional layer of uncertainty into the equation with dynamic scoring, and you're doing so with behavioral changes, which are impossible to predict accurately and depend on a lot of variables that we still don't fully understand.

Lots of potential for fuckery.

Basically this, but you're also MASSIVELY OVERESTIMATING the possible benefits of tax cuts.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on January 07, 2015, 12:12:22 PM

I was going to say "just look at Kansas" but PD beat me to it.  It's way worse then a simple adjustment to maths.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 07, 2015, 12:21:38 PM

They're basically just going to use it as another talking point/cudgel on Obama, since nothing they're going to want will be passed for the next two years (probably ever)

"Look at all the potential growth we're wasting under the OBAMAO plan!"

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on January 07, 2015, 12:23:00 PM

Remember when Paul Ryan's plan said it would reduce the unemployment rate to 2.8 :kobeyuck  That's dynamic scoring in a nutshell

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2015, 01:47:26 PM

I'm still shocked fucking Louisiana had the sense to throw that shit in the bushes/stop Jindal's disasterous income tax cut, but Kansas keeps on truckin' to disaster.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 02:50:13 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 07, 2015, 12:23:00 PM

Remember when Paul Ryan's plan said it would reduce the unemployment rate to 2.8 :kobeyuck  That's dynamic scoring in a nutshell

I never read the thing, maybe it included conscription?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 07, 2015, 09:21:39 PM

Meanwhile on PoliGAF:

Quote

I think it's possible for the Democrats to win the House after 2020. There will be some states that will have closer electoral maps than in 2010, key states like Ohio, Virginia, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Florida, and even some southern states where the Democrats could nab one of the branches (like the Texas Senate).

:aah

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on January 08, 2015, 04:59:45 AM

How is dynamic scoring even being taken remotely seriously by anyone? I mean, we've had 10 fucking years to see if the Bush tax cuts would pay for themselves, which they never even came close to doing. Fuck, his eminence, Ronaldus Magnus, who as we all know had the greatest economic growth in the history of civilization, even his tax cuts never paid for themselves. Why would anyone think that this would suddenly start occurring now?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on January 08, 2015, 05:06:08 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 06, 2015, 09:42:21 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-oreilly-david-duke-shouting-match

Quote

"I'm not a white supremacist at all, in fact the European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO) was a charted civil rights organization," Duke said, adding that he fought the "racial discrimination" of affirmative action while serving in Louisiana's state legislature.

(http://i.imgur.com/vaMSUAA.gif)

That interview was so bizarre. The dude attacks Robert Byrd for his relationship with the klan in an attempt to somehow  defend his own White supremacist views!  :oreilly

You can't make this shit up.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Granted, this is the same playbook that your average Republican uses, but at least you could give said Republican the benefit of the doubt and assume they were being truthful when they said they've never burned any crosses before.

[close]

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2015, 09:06:09 AM

Robert Byrd is, like, the white unicorn of racists, never mind that he left the KKK after only a few years and spent the next 60 years of his life apologizing for that association. David Duke, by contrast, still very much lives in that world.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2015, 02:44:44 PM

http://www.libertynews.com/2015/01/obamas-daughter-wears-t-shirt-of-anti-cop-gangster-rap-group/

:dead

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 08, 2015, 02:47:39 PM

Why did I click that? :snoop

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 08, 2015, 02:51:57 PM

Quote

The group’s lyrics, such as they are, are filled with “nicca” this and “nicca” that as well as violence, gun play, and cop killing.

:badass

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2015, 03:07:02 PM

Pro Era are basically a collection of black hipsters rocking throwback 90s attire who make harmless, often bland music.
:goty

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on January 08, 2015, 04:17:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2015, 03:07:02 PM

Pro Era are basically a collection of black hipsters rocking throwback 90s attire who make harmless, often bland music.
:goty

Or a militant wing of the New Black Panthers mixed in with well known violent thug gang THE BLOODS.  You never know :ufup

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 08:10:05 PM

http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/the-new-world-order/
Larry Sabato ranks the tiers of 2016 GOPers

Meanwhile, in Senators from both parties news:

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While discussing the ramifications of Wednesday’s terrorist attack at satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo‘s office in Paris, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) said President Barack Obama‘s policies and campaign promises are “getting a lot of people killed” because he refuses to acknowledge that the France attacks and others are motivated by religion.

“The people who are attacking us and attacking France are motivated by religious teachings that say there’s no place on the planet for anybody that disagrees with them,” Graham said on Fox News Thursday morning, adding that Obama is “undercutting” other foreign leaders by not acknowledging that it is a religious war. “I think he believes that strength is offensive, that he doesn’t want to be bold because he may offend somebody — it’s not offensive to say that these are religious fanatics that don’t represent Islam, that have to be dealt with, they have to be killed or captured.”

After Graham charged that Obama’s policies are making Americans “less safe,” host Martha MacCallum pressed him on specifics. He said the president’s refusal to hold captured terrorists as “enemy combatants” prevents counterterrorism officials from extracting intelligence.

He concluded by saying that because of President Obama’s policies, “it’s just a matter of time” before America is attacked at home if an adjustment is not made. Graham expressed similar views on Wednesday when he told CNN’s Dana Bash that journalists are “soft targets” in the wake of the Charlie Hebdo terrorist attack.

Quote

Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) said Thursday he was disappointed that the White House threatened to veto his legislation approving the Keystone XL pipeline, arguing the president’s move was “not the way a democracy works.”

The West Virginia lawmaker said he was upset Obama did not reserve judgment on the bill until it went through the committee and amendment process in an interview with Fox News’s “America’s Newsroom.”

“I just couldn't believe that out of the gate, two hours after [Sen.] John Hoeven [R-N.D.] and I announced that were introducing the bill, that they would come out from the White House and the president would make a statement that he's going to veto it,” Manchin said.
The Democrat said he had been hopeful the president’s history serving in the Senate would have led him to hold off on a veto threat.

“I would have thought the president would say, ‘Listen, being a former legislator, I'm going to wait until this process unfolds. And at the end of the day, I'll tell you, do I like what they came up with, or do I not like what they came out with, and this is my reason for veto,’ ” Manchin said. “[He] never even gave it a chance, never even gave it a chance. Now, that's just not the way you do legislation. It's not the way a democracy works. And it's not the way the ... three branches of government should work.”

Manchin  :neogaf

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 08, 2015, 08:56:30 PM

Quote

Speaker of the House John Boehner defended his conservative bona fides Thursday, arguing during a press conference that it “pains” him to be described as a “squish” by members of his own party

...

“And I tell you what pains me the most is when they describe me as the establishment,” Boehner continued. “Now, I’m the most anti-establishment speaker we’ve ever had.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PbN3XlRX8B8

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 09, 2015, 12:48:41 AM

And the 2nd most antidisestablishmentarian speaker we've ever had.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2015, 11:50:23 PM

Quote

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. and Justice Department prosecutors have recommended bringing felony charges against David H. Petraeus, contending that he provided classified information to a lover while he was director of the C.I.A., officials said, leaving Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to decide whether to seek an indictment that could send the pre-eminent military officer of his generation to prison.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Positive Touch on January 10, 2015, 06:16:17 PM

General Betrayus indeed

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 10, 2015, 07:13:57 PM

Quote from: Big Jumbo on January 10, 2015, 06:16:17 PM

General Betrayus indeed

BetrayMs.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 12, 2015, 12:46:51 PM

http://www.commerce.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?p=PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=8452ed0b-18be-4057-a376-babfd31322cb

Quote

Subcommittee on Oceans, Atmosphere, Fisheries, and Coast Guard

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.)

Subcommittee on Space, Science, and Competitiveness

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas)

(http://i.imgur.com/y2QHNEV.gif)

This country is fucked.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 12, 2015, 12:58:47 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 09, 2015, 11:50:23 PM

Quote

WASHINGTON — The F.B.I. and Justice Department prosecutors have recommended bringing felony charges against David H. Petraeus, contending that he provided classified information to a lover while he was director of the C.I.A., officials said, leaving Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. to decide whether to seek an indictment that could send the pre-eminent military officer of his generation to prison.

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/gallery/popcorn-gifs/jon-popcorn.gif)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2015, 03:47:16 PM

I can't imagine him being indicted.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 12, 2015, 04:43:24 PM

Paul Ryan, Boy Wonder ain't gonna run.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2015, 10:33:18 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/01/mitt-romney-2016-114199.html

Quote

The selling of Mitt 3.0
Romney is promising he’ll be ‘different’ this time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/romney-moves-to-reassemble-campaign-apparatus-for-2016/2015/01/12/d968592e-9a88-11e4-96cc-e858eba91ced_story.html

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In the conversations, Romney said he is intent on running to the right of Bush, who also is working vigorously to court donors and other party establishment figures for a 2016 bid. Romney has tried to assure conservatives that he shares their views on immigration and tax policy — and that should he enter the race, he will not forsake party orthodoxy.

On New Year’s Eve, Romney welcomed Laura Ingraham, the firebrand conservative and nationally syndicated talk-radio host, to his ski home in Deer Valley, Utah. Romney served a light lunch to Ingraham and her family as they spent more than an hour discussing politics and policy, according to sources familiar with the meeting.

“He was relaxed, reflective and was interested in hearing my thoughts on the American working class,” Ingraham said in an e-mail Monday. “He was fully engaged and up to speed on everything happening on [the] domestic and international front. To me, it didn’t seem like he was content to be just a passive player in American politics.”

Romney’s undertaking to re-engage and pursue anew the GOP’s leading financial and political players began Friday, when he told a private gathering of donors, “I want to be president.” He also told them that his wife, Ann, was “very encouraging” of another campaign.

WHY IS THIS HAPPENING

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Barry Egan on January 12, 2015, 11:29:17 PM

:rofl

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 12, 2015, 11:39:37 PM

MITTMENTUM

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2015, 12:28:12 AM

Quote from: 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

I don't give a shit if two guys, two gals, guy-gal, whatever it is, I believe that any human being in America, or any human being in the goddamn world, that wants to be married, and if it's same-sex, more power to 'em. What also chaps my ass, some of these churches, have the high horse that they get on and say, 'We as a church do not believe in that.' Which one of these motherfuckers talked to God, and God said that same-sex marriage was a no-can-do? Okay, so two cats can't get married if they want to get married, but then a guy can go murder 14 people, molest five kids, then go to fucking prison, and accept God and He's going to let him into heaven? After the fact that he did all that shit? See that's all horseshit to me, that don't jive with me.

:ohhh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2015, 12:37:59 AM

Game changer. Bet that's in the Supreme Court's opinion.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2015, 12:41:20 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2015, 12:28:12 AM

Quote from: 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

I don't give a shit if two guys, two gals, guy-gal, whatever it is, I believe that any human being in America, or any human being in the goddamn world, that wants to be married, and if it's same-sex, more power to 'em. What also chaps my ass, some of these churches, have the high horse that they get on and say, 'We as a church do not believe in that.' Which one of these motherfuckers talked to God, and God said that same-sex marriage was a no-can-do? Okay, so two cats can't get married if they want to get married, but then a guy can go murder 14 people, molest five kids, then go to fucking prison, and accept God and He's going to let him into heaven? After the fact that he did all that shit? See that's all horseshit to me, that don't jive with me.

:ohhh

And that's the bottom line.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Snake on January 13, 2015, 12:42:59 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2015, 12:28:12 AM

Quote from: 'Stone Cold' Steve Austin

I don't give a shit if two guys, two gals, guy-gal, whatever it is, I believe that any human being in America, or any human being in the goddamn world, that wants to be married, and if it's same-sex, more power to 'em. What also chaps my ass, some of these churches, have the high horse that they get on and say, 'We as a church do not believe in that.' Which one of these motherfuckers talked to God, and God said that same-sex marriage was a no-can-do? Okay, so two cats can't get married if they want to get married, but then a guy can go murder 14 people, molest five kids, then go to fucking prison, and accept God and He's going to let him into heaven? After the fact that he did all that shit? See that's all horseshit to me, that don't jive with me.

:ohhh

I'm glad we finally received the text of Austin 3:16.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2015, 02:04:52 PM

If Romney couldn't beat Obama with the economy halfway in the shitter, how the fuck does he think he can beat Hillary with the economy rolling? No wonder he wants to keep bringing up foreign policy (nevemrind that Russia is now crippled as fuck).

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: toku on January 13, 2015, 10:44:07 PM

http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/13/7541253/obama-wants-cheaper-broadband-in-the-us

Obama just bullshitting, playing with hearts now

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2015, 01:33:43 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/romney-isis-putin-president

An anonymous advisor to Mitt Romney told the Boston Globe in an article published on Tuesday that if the former Republican nominee had been elected President, there would be no Islamic State terror group in Syria and Iraq, and Russian leader Vladimir Putin would never have invaded Ukraine.

“There wouldn’t be an ISIS at all, and Putin would know his place in life," an anonymous longtime advisor told the Globe. "Domestically, things would be in better shape.”

 :neogaf

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2015, 02:16:12 PM

Am_I_Anonymous is just prepping the crowd for Romney 3.0.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2015, 03:09:01 PM

Be a Libertarian, brehs.

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Roger Ver, a high-profile member of the Bitcoin community who is commonly known as “Bitcoin Jesus,” has been denied a US visa — despite having been born in the country.

Ver is well known in the Bitcoin community as an entrepreneur and angel investor, having funded products including Blockchain, Ripple, and Blockpay. He became known as “Bitcoin Jesus” after giving thousands of coins of the virtual currency away for free. Ver was born in the US, making him a citizen there, but he renounced his citizenship in March — and now he says the government isn’t letting him back in.

As Coindesk is reporting, Ver posted on Twitter that the US government had refused his recent request for a non-immigrant visa, leaving him “effectively locked out of his native USA.”

***
The fiercely libertarian entrepreneur has also appealed for others to follow his lead on citizenship, in June launching a website that helps wealthy people pay their way to citizenship on his new island home of the Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis in the West Indies.

He surrendered his American citizenship a month after moving to the islands, in February 2014.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bitcoin-jesus-visa-application-denied-2015-1#ixzz3Ol086L7T

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Post by: Brehvolution on January 14, 2015, 03:12:33 PM

I renounce my citizenship!

Ok

Uhhh.... I want to come back for something...

No

Tyranny!

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 15, 2015, 02:43:40 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tom-omara-profane-outburst

I used to do computer work for this guy and his law office in the late 90's. He wasn't in office then. I think we go to the same church(if I have to go  >:( )

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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2015, 05:07:19 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ron-paul-institute-paris-attack-false-flag

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Roberts wrote that the attack on French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo "has many of the characteristics of a false flag operation." He speculated that the U.S. perpetrated the attack to bring France under greater American control.

"Clearly, France was showing too much foreign policy independence," Roberts wrote. "The attack on Charlie Hebdo serves to cow France and place France back under Washington’s thumb."

 :neogaf :paul :neogaf

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Post by: Brehvolution on January 15, 2015, 08:39:09 PM

 ::)

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 15, 2015, 08:48:01 PM

My favorite trope regarding conspiratardation is the absolute inability to accept that anything happens without America's approval. Like, it never dawns on people that, in revealing how the world really works, they're reinforcing a myopic worldview that is obviously biased to its environment.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 16, 2015, 02:18:32 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/holder-ends-seized-asset-sharing-process-that-split-billions-with-local-state-police/2015/01/16/0e7ca058-99d4-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html

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Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr. on Friday barred local and state police from using federal law to seize cash, cars and other property without evidence that a crime occurred.

Holder’s action represents the most sweeping check on police power to confiscate personal property since the seizures began three decades ago as part of the war on drugs.

Since 2008, thousands of local and state police agencies have made more than 55,000 seizures of cash and property worth $3 billion under a civil asset forfeiture program at the Justice Department called Equitable Sharing.

 :clap :gladbron

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2015, 02:20:49 PM

It's about time.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Oh shit!
:obama

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 16, 2015, 05:01:36 PM

Pretty sure how we know this one will play out

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/supreme-court-takes-gay-marriage-case

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2015, 05:03:05 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 16, 2015, 05:01:36 PM

Pretty sure how we know this one will play out

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/supreme-court-takes-gay-marriage-case

SC fixes the cable fucks teatards?

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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 16, 2015, 05:16:16 PM

Don't be fatuous, Maurice

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Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2015, 05:34:17 PM

http://www.speaker.gov/general/12-taylor-swift-reactions-president-obamas-free-college-idea

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 16, 2015, 05:38:08 PM

Don't quite your day job, Boehner

No, wait...

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Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2015, 06:12:37 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/16/give-brats-a-chance/ (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/16/give-brats-a-chance/)

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The coming race for Barbara Boxer’s California Senate seat could be a fabulous free for all — maybe not the 150 candidate gubernatorial recall extravaganza eventually won by Arnold Schwarzenegger in 2003, but still exciting: Dozens of ambitious citizens slugging it out in a “jungle primary,” with the top two vote-getters then facing off in November, 2016. Villaraigosa, Becerra, Tauscher, Speier, Sanchez, Schiff, Bass, Swearengin, K. Johnson. And those are just some of the insiders who might run, not the outsiders (Rob Lowe! Go!).

Fun, fun fun. Unless, of course, reporters decide — as they already seem to be deciding — that state Attorney General Kamala Harris and billionaire Tom Steyer are the only candidates with a chance, and therefore the only candidates worth covering. (Steyer is ‘viable,’ in part,  because he managed to waste millions failing to elect green candidates in 2014.) Thus L.A. Times veteran political writer Mark Z. Barabak tweets

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For all the predictions of crowded US Senate field in California, most likely 2, 3 viable contenders, max. Rest oddities/sideshow.

Journalists love to publicly complain about the influence of money in politics — it’s one of those safe causes that doesn’t compromise your objectivity.  But when it comes time to campaign, journalists do the donors dirty work for them by refusing to cover candidates’ who aren’t backed by lots of money.  Those candidates are deemed “non-viable” oddities and not worth telling voters about.

There’s no excuse for this: 1) It’s a self-fulfilling prediction. Of course fringe or underfunded candidates won’t be ‘viable’ if they can’t get press (“free media”) to catch the voters’ attention;. 2) Even if long-shot candidates stay on the fringe, covering them would have entertainment value. Newspapers cover obscure TV stars these days. Political candidates are often — I’d say, usually — more colorful than actors. The premature winnowing by self-satisfied journalistic pros drains democracy of much of its exuberance, presenting voters with a sharply limited array of options. No wonder they feel alienated. Then the pros scold them for low turnout.

I was a non-viable candidate once — in 2010, I got my 65 signatures and ran against Boxer. What the hell. But there was a third candidate in the race, a man named Brian Quintana. A year earlier, when he was just a private citizen, the LAT had actually deemed him newsworthy enough to publish a full length take down. But when he actually ran for office — well, then suddenly he apparently wasn’t interesting enough to cover at all. The Times wouldn’t want to waste readers’ time by writing about him. (He still beat me, finishing 2d.)

It’s tempting to think journalists’, or at least their egos, actively relish their role as the gatekeepers between ambitious would-be pols and the uninformed voters. After all, what smart, plugged-in reporter would want to spend his time covering a longshot “oddity” candidate the reporter knows doesn’t have a prayer? If journalists have some sort of duty to cover everyone — well, that would put the candidates in charge, not the reporters.  Can’t have that. We’re not their PR men!

But why don’t reporters exercise their egos by promoting the obscure candidates they like, giving their events and speeches extra play,  trying to “break” them the way ambitious DJs try to “break” struggling singers (or the way Time magazine promoted Wendell Willkie)? Reporters could be self-appointed kingmakers.. It might not be fair — if the LAT reporter didn’t take a liking to you, you’d be sunk. But a blatantly ‘kingmaking’ press culture would still be better than the current brutal, clinical triage. At least there’d be a decent chance for an underfunded lightning strike with the electorate.

In effect, the ‘viable’ candidates would be a) whoever is deemed ‘viable’ under current criteria and b) whomever the major reporters decide to push. (A) + (B) beats just (A).

Dave Brat was once a longshot “oddity,” remember. Now he’s in Congress and Eric Cantor, whom he beat, is fighting to get linked on RealClearPolitics. There may be other Dave Brats out there, on the left and the right — if only journalists would give them a chance.**

__________

** David Drucker, Washington Examiner‘s excellent political reporter, says “I’m all for sideshows if they actually have a base of support (ie. voters) and the money & resources to back it up.” And how do they get that base of support without coverage? Drucker tweets that longshot candidates “who catch fire do so regardless of press – especially cuz of Internet.” Hmm. Mighty convenient to have the internet out there to do the tedious work (publicizing the unpublicized) that journalist won’t do!  But of course the argument is too neat: there will be plenty of candidates who won’t ‘catch fire’ on the internet but who might catch fire if the print and broadcast press covered their campaign stunts.

:mynicca
 :lawd Based Kaus. :lawd
 :rejoice

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Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2015, 01:18:22 AM

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/report-exposes-political-bias-comcast-owned-nbc-msnbc-news

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Report Exposes Political Bias at Comcast-Owned NBC & MSNBC News

:o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_CCqqpq3wA

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 17, 2015, 09:11:06 AM

Bias?! On the news?! :omg

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 17, 2015, 10:13:03 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/holder-ends-seized-asset-sharing-process-that-split-billions-with-local-state-police/2015/01/16/0e7ca058-99d4-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html
edit: already posted

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Post by: chronovore on January 18, 2015, 07:37:15 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 17, 2015, 10:13:03 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/holder-ends-seized-asset-sharing-process-that-split-billions-with-local-state-police/2015/01/16/0e7ca058-99d4-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html
edit: already posted

Worth a double-post, no worries.

However, can Holder actually mandate that? It leaves state laws for asset forfeiture open, though it does take away the federally arranged sharing structure.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2015, 08:23:48 PM

The federally arranged sharif structure was the large incentive for local police fuckery. Removing it ends a major cash cow for police departments, and while local police will remain dicks they won't be rewarded for it by the Feds. I'd expect a decrease of fuckery in this regard.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2015, 11:06:34 PM

Sadly, the order apparently doesn't apply to joint task forces.

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Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2015, 11:07:51 PM

:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge

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Politico has installed a siren in its Arlington newsroom that goes off every time the website breaks news, according to an internal memo sent Friday morning by chief executive Jim VandeHei. The siren, per VandeHei’s memo, is just one component of Politico’s strategy for 2015, a year in which it plans to expand its investigative and enterprise reporting teams and launch a European addition.

The siren, according to Politico staffers, is the noisy brainchild of Blake Hounshell, the site’s editorial director.

“Is Blake really installing a siren in the newsroom?” VandeHei writes. “Yes. He and Susan“—Glasser, Politico’s top editor—“want people jacked when we break news, whether it’s a quick hit from one of our policy teams or a holy-crap scoop from the Congress gang. It has been and always will be our core strength.”

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7ZuwRPIMAAaXdw.jpg:large)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2015, 02:05:34 AM

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1358619

Tony Perkins getting annihilated.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2015, 02:04:18 AM

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MYRTLE BEACH — Businessman Donald Trump said he is giving “serious thought” to running for president in 2016 and that he thinks he would be the best person for the job.

Trump spent most of his 30-minute keynote speech at the S.C. Tea Party Coalition Convention held at Springmaid Beach Resort on Monday afternoon saying that he is the best person to lead the country.

He told a room of about 800 people that he stands apart from others who have been mentioned as potential candidates for president.

“I can get things done,” he said. “I know how to do it.”

...

Myrtle Beach resident Sandy Adams said she already was planning to attend the convention before learning that Trump would be there, but was most excited about seeing him.

“I was hoping that he’d make the announcement that he was running today, but oh, well,” she said. “I would vote for him if he runs.”

Adams, who also attended the event last year, said she was impressed with his speech.

“All of the issues that he talked about are the issues I care about,” she said. “And I think they’re the issues most people talk about.”

...

He also said he thought he contributed to the convention selling out.

“Whenever I’ve gone to a Tea Party event, they’ve had a record turnout,” he said. “And again, this year they have sold out for the first time. ... Maybe I’ll give credit to somebody else, but you know where it all comes from. I mean, this is the biggest turnout they’ve ever had.”

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Businessman Donald Trump joined Fox & Friends to discuss potential 2016 presidential candidate and two-time White House hopeful Mitt Romney. Trump, who backed the 2012 candidate, said that while Romney is “a nice man,” he wouldn’t be able to beat Hillary Clinton.

“I supported Mitt Romney and he didn’t bring out the people; he choked in the end,” Trump said. “I mean, the last month was a disaster. He should have won that election. He was going against the president, who was absolutely not good and not doing well.”

“Frankly, he just choked. He choked like a dog, and we cannot allow that to happen again,” Trump continued. “We really need help in this country. This country is going to be a disaster if we keep going along the way we’re going.”

He added that he would consider “jumping in” to the 2016 mix in the next three to four months.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2015, 09:24:14 AM

:neogaf

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 20, 2015, 10:36:15 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/tea-party-mlk-wild-bill-cowby

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“We are the people who practice Dr. King’s dream," he said. "It is the Tea Party where people are not judged by the color of their skin, and it’s Tea Party Americans who believe that character still counts.”

“So today, I am officially announcing that the Tea Party is taking Martin Luther King away from the liberal left,” Finley said.

“And to you race-baiting promoters of division and hatred, you’re not getting him back until you renounce your shameful skin-color politics and start practicing the politics of character," he said to applause.

(http://i.imgur.com/OeYwyYY.png)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2015, 10:37:16 AM

Romney choked like a dog strapped to the top of a family sedan.

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Post by: Positive Touch on January 20, 2015, 10:17:38 PM

I mean didn't expect much about Ferguson but damn that was so far below those already lowered expectations

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2015, 10:18:42 PM

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"We can’t slow down businesses or put our economy at risk with government shutdowns or fiscal showdowns," he said. "We can’t put the security of families at risk by taking away their health insurance, or unraveling the new rules on Wall Street, or refighting past battles on immigration when we’ve got a system to fix."

"And if a bill comes to my desk that tries to do any of these things," Obama concluded, "I will veto it. It will have earned my veto."

 :aah

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2015, 10:36:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1421782837&v=1S6nwCpO000&x-yt-cl=84359240
:lawd

we gonna miss this level of swag in a couple years brehs :tocry

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2015, 10:46:12 PM

hey guys, America is so great isn't it? Yea, America is pretty awesome!

-every GOP SOTU response to Obama.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84sZMS95yYM

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 20, 2015, 11:32:07 PM

Quote from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jan/20/obama-calls-civility-then-immediately-taunts-repub/

President Obama spent much of Tuesday’s State of the Union calling for civility in politics — then taunted Republicans over his two election victories, after many of them applauded the looming end of his political career.

Mr. Obama issued a broad call for “a better politics” that began with common principles, and said his agenda isn’t political, pointing out “I have no more campaigns to run.”

That drew rousing applause from the GOP side of the aisle, which had sat on its hands as Mr. Obama had ticked off partisan proposals he wanted to see, and threatened vetoes of bipartisan bills Republicans are trying to pass.

The applause was too much for Mr. Obama, who punctuated his declaration that his campaigns are over by saying, “I know, because I won both of them.”

He's really tarred this office and thrown the country into a brier patch.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2015, 12:23:21 AM

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7485/16329055031_4b2ed6de3e_o.jpg)

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on January 21, 2015, 08:29:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3hro3R6.gif)

:lawd

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Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2015, 08:34:34 PM

:dead

Jesus, that comeback is straight ether. The ONLY way Boehner could have kept a straight face, as he did, is if he was not paying attention.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 21, 2015, 09:48:49 PM

from my FB feed.

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Thanks to the Affordable Care Act that burn is covered.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2015, 12:00:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-cl=84359240&v=eYO-AqWR9mo&x-yt-ts=1421782837

:whew

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Post by: benjipwns on January 22, 2015, 06:09:59 PM

smh not taking foreign policy nor our allies seriously, and she was Secretary of State, no wonder Benghazi happened

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I remember some fretting about what if Dmitri didn't keep to the deal and ran against Putin. Foreign politics, good times.

[close]

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Post by: Brehvolution on January 22, 2015, 09:23:37 PM

Bibi knows that any new peace in the middle east won't be as lucrative as tension is. Who better to make your case to than warhawks ?

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Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2015, 07:11:28 PM

I know she's really just trying to keep her name in the news so she can continue to grift idiots out of their money, but PLEASE BABY JESUS LET THIS HAPPEN.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sarah-palin-interested-president-2016

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2015, 04:41:13 PM

I can't help but think there aren't 5 judges willing to throw the healthcare industry into absolute chaos. Roberts had a chance to end the law, before it started. It doesn't make sense to rule that states have the right to not set up state exchanges, then later rule subsidies can only be accessed in states that set up exchanges.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 24, 2015, 05:30:06 PM

Urban Institute? I've heard that their research is a bit lazy and some of their conclusions are too agressive for my taste.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2015, 01:04:24 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/26/us/politics/romneys-consideration-of-candidacy-is-closely-tied-to-his-faith-allies-say.html?_r=0

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WASHINGTON — A prominent Republican delivered a direct request to Mitt Romney not long ago: He should make a third run for the presidency, not for vanity or redemption, but to answer a higher calling from his faith.

Believing that Mr. Romney, a former Mormon pastor, would be most receptive on these grounds, the Republican made the case that Mr. Romney had a duty to serve, and said Mr. Romney seemed to take his appeal under consideration.

...

But now as Mr. Romney mulls a new run for the White House, friends and allies said, his abiding Mormon faith is inextricably tied to his sense of service and patriotism, and a facet of his life that he is determined to embrace more openly in a possible third campaign.

Kirk Jowers, a Mormon family friend who lives in Utah and chaired Mr. Romney’s leadership PAC, said that Mr. Romney’s contemplation of a third bid is motivated by an “almost devout belief that he needs to do something for this country.”

But this time, Mr. Jowers said, Mr. Romney would treat his religion differently. “In 2008, Romney risked being a caricature of the Mormon candidate,” he said. “Now everyone seems to know everything about him, and that will be very liberating for him to talk about his faith.”

Mr. Romney’s faith was complicated by the fact that during his 2012 run, his team was reluctant to let him mention his religion at all, creating a vacuum that hid a side of him from voters and allowed it to be filled with Democratic attack ads. The 2014 Netflix “Mitt” documentary — from filmmaker Greg Whiteley, a Mormon — offered an appealing, behind-the-scenes look at Mr. Romney as a man of faith and family. Many in his inner circle said that if he runs again, this is the version of Mitt Romney that they would present to the country.

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Post by: Trent Dole on January 26, 2015, 01:09:36 PM

Yeah sure Mitt, run with what was considered a minus to be hid away a bit last time as a prominent feature of the new campaign. That'll work. For people that want Hillary in office. :P

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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 26, 2015, 01:53:08 PM

You never go full magic underwear.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 26, 2015, 02:45:27 PM

Romney/Palin 2016

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2015, 06:14:10 PM

Sooo first the reports said Mitt was going to run to Bush's right with a hard stance against immigration. Now he's Mr. Income Inequality and talking about global warming. Wut.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 26, 2015, 09:48:28 PM

Shut up PD...we got some serious Jason bourn type shit to deal with....


http://www.cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2015/01/new_york_russian_spy_ring_us_a.html#incart_river

:ufup

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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 27, 2015, 02:13:47 PM

:bow Roberts Court :bow2

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 27, 2015, 02:34:55 PM

Quote from: Esch on January 27, 2015, 01:35:09 PM

900 million dollars  of pure FREEDOM right in your asshole :jawalrus

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=0

 :gladbron

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 27, 2015, 02:47:25 PM

I'm sure the 99%'ers will be more than pleased to hear that a guy is spending 900 million to run for an election. Should go well for him.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2015, 03:05:17 PM

Why not spend money to change electoral college rules? Throwing money at general elections is very inefficient. I can't link now but Rove's group was one of the least effective spending groups in 2012 (money spent and amount of candidates who were elected).

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 27, 2015, 03:06:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2015, 03:05:17 PM

Why not spend money to change electoral college rules? Throwing money at general elections is very inefficient. I can't link now but Rove's group was one of the least effective spending groups in 2012 (money spent and amount of candidates who were elected).

Bingo.

This is why I stopped contributing to the national election fund and focused on assisting local guys who actually have a pulse.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2015, 06:01:50 PM

Quote from: Esch on January 27, 2015, 02:38:44 PM

900 million dollars to lose an election.

Incredible :obama

They're probably spend a good chunk of that on local and judicial elections, where it actually will make a big difference. :goty

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2015, 06:13:12 PM

Last time they didn't, surprisingly. I'd imagine most of that money will go to the general election nominee and senate/congress candidates.

Another problem for them is that turnout is significantly higher during a general election, making it harder to drown candidates. Hillary, like Obama in 2008 and 2012, is going to have a rising tide effect on multiple dem candidates. Whereas if you spend a shit ton of money in a midterm election with low turnout you can gain more seats.

I'd use the money to convince state congressman to split electoral college votes in blue states dominated by republican legislatures/governors. Michigan and Pennsylvania almost did it last year but backed down due to fear of voter anger. Perhaps a big ass check would convince them to go through with it; PA now has a democrat governor so it wouldn't work, but maybe Michigan? The main reason this is a blue state is because of the big cities. If you split the EC votes based on districts it would have been possible for Romney to receive more EC votes than Obama in 2012 for instance.

It's a dangerous plan that would certainly backfire two years later when angry voters shitcan the congressman who supported such a heist...but if it managed to elect a republican president wouldn't it be worth it to sacrifice some state legislators?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2015, 08:34:54 PM

Not PA now, but they say between Philly and Pittsburgh is a whole lotta Alabama. NY too if it wasn't for NYC.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2015, 08:43:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30tGSXNjM1A

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:24:33 AM

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/27/7908833/inequality-state-one-percent

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: helios on January 28, 2015, 10:30:43 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:24:33 AM

http://www.vox.com/2015/1/27/7908833/inequality-state-one-percent

So this guy:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=148091279&postcount=225

Quote from: RELIGHT;148091279

I read it and it's disgusting. I'm trying to support my family and save for retirement and this shit only hurts that cause. I'm lucky we were just able to pay off our auto loans a couple months back. But the fucking student debt might as well be a mortgage in and of itself. So essentially I'll be at a higher tax rate just because I barely make more than 500k? Absurd. It'd be different if I were even at 750k but essentially 505k for 3 people and another on the way with the already absurd health cost, cost of living etc. it's just not helping and I'm pissed.

Is, depending on whatever state he lives in, either well in the 1% of his state or nearing it. And he lives paycheck to paycheck.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2015, 10:32:38 AM

Yeah, well, once he's spent all of his money, he's just as poor as everyone else!

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:33:28 AM

He's bullshitting. Even at the highest Tax level if he made 500+ thousand a year he would not have these struggles unless he has a significant and expensive habit or a history of bad debt.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 28, 2015, 10:54:16 AM

Quote from: Esch on January 27, 2015, 01:35:09 PM

900 million dollars  of pure FREEDOM right in your asshole :jawalrus

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=0

I can believe it.  I can easily see each candidate spending close to or at $1.5 billion for the upcoming election.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:33:28 AM

He's bullshitting. Even at the highest Tax level if he made 500+ thousand a year he would not have these struggles unless he has a significant and expensive habit or a history of bad debt.

I know people who make that kind of money and they complain about being broke.  Some people consider owning luxury cars, private school, latest smartphones and Macbook Airs, etc. to be essential expenses.  The guy also mentions having a family: I bet they blow all kinds of crazy money on shit for their child(ren).  Since he's a gaffer, you might throw in thousands of dollars of gaming expenses and I'm sure his wife/girlfriend/whatever has expensive tastes as well.  When it all adds up, yeah, there probably won't be a whole lot left.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: helios on January 28, 2015, 11:00:17 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on January 28, 2015, 10:54:16 AM

I know people who make that kind of money and they complain about being broke.  Some people consider owning luxury cars, private school, latest smartphones and Macbook Airs, etc. to be essential expenses.  The guy also mentions having a family: I bet they blow all kinds of crazy money on shit for their child(ren).  Since he's a gaffer, you might throw in thousands of dollars of gaming expenses and I'm sure his wife/girlfriend/whatever has expensive tastes as well.  When it all adds up, yeah, there probably won't be a whole lot left.

So this

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2015, 10:32:38 AM

Yeah, well, once he's spent all of his money, he's just as poor as everyone else!

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 11:09:57 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on January 28, 2015, 10:54:16 AM

Quote from: Esch on January 27, 2015, 01:35:09 PM

900 million dollars  of pure FREEDOM right in your asshole :jawalrus

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/27/us/politics/kochs-plan-to-spend-900-million-on-2016-campaign.html?_r=0

I can believe it.  I can easily see each candidate spending close to or at $1.5 billion for the upcoming election.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 10:33:28 AM

He's bullshitting. Even at the highest Tax level if he made 500+ thousand a year he would not have these struggles unless he has a significant and expensive habit or a history of bad debt.

I know people who make that kind of money and they complain about being broke.  Some people consider owning luxury cars, private school, latest smartphones and Macbook Airs, etc. to be essential expenses.  The guy also mentions having a family: I bet they blow all kinds of crazy money on shit for their child(ren).  Since he's a gaffer, you might throw in thousands of dollars of gaming expenses and I'm sure his wife/girlfriend/whatever has expensive tastes as well.  When it all adds up, yeah, there probably won't be a whole lot left.

The three essential things I spent money on were my house, my kid's education, and transportation for my wife and son. I am more than willing to bet that guy, if he is even legit as 505k is a significant amount of cash, either overbought his house, owns expensive bullshit he doesn't need, or continually borrows against his property and is now severely leveraged by an aggressive mortgage.

Fact is that guy "makes" more than I do and I have not of the problems he does. Money management is one of the most important things in your life. Nobody wants to work until they are 70.

FYI:

Your yearly salary of $500,000 is then equivalent to an average hourly wage of $250 per hour.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 11:41:34 AM

Subdue your passions brehs.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 12:38:41 PM

Are you saying, Walrus, that expiring benefits HAD NOTHING to do with people being forced to find a job? really?

:snoop

I mean I get and actually agree with some democratic viewpoints but this isn't one of them. Lazy people sat on their asses until they had to find a job. Not all of them but a significant percentage.

Source: Lazy assholes who facebooked/told me/told the news/etc/

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 12:42:32 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 28, 2015, 12:42:09 PM

I don't doubt that it had some effect. However, attributing 60% of last year's job creation to the expiration of benefits is quite the extraordinary claim.

The math works, breh.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 12:45:36 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 28, 2015, 12:42:09 PM

I don't doubt that it had some effect. However, attributing 60% of last year's job creation to the expiration of benefits is quite the extraordinary claim.

If you told me that 100k, 250k, hell, even 500k people wouldn't have gotten jobs if the benefits hadn't been continued, I really wouldn't bat an eye, but 1.8 million out of 3 million just doesn't pass the smell test.

I'd rather see a study that shows the gap in income between the jobs people had before an their new jobs that wasn't swayed by either party.

A lot of people went from Full Time + Benefits to Part time workers.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2015, 01:14:22 PM

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Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has agreed to testify before the House Select Committee investigating the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, CNN reports.

Rep. Elijah Cummings, the panel’s Democratic ranking member, told CNN Tuesday that Clinton had agreed to testify before the committee late last year.

“The chairman asked me back in September to inquire as to whether Secretary Clinton would testify,” Cummings said. “She immediately said she would and that she wanted to come in December, but if December did not work, she would come in January. She said, ‘I’ll do it, period.’ The fact is, she was very clear. She did not hesitate for one second.”

Finally we can get to the bottom of what happened at Benghazi. Good on Hillary for giving up her Presidential bid to finally let the truth come out.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 01:18:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 28, 2015, 01:14:22 PM

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Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has agreed to testify before the House Select Committee investigating the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, CNN reports.

Rep. Elijah Cummings, the panel’s Democratic ranking member, told CNN Tuesday that Clinton had agreed to testify before the committee late last year.

“The chairman asked me back in September to inquire as to whether Secretary Clinton would testify,” Cummings said. “She immediately said she would and that she wanted to come in December, but if December did not work, she would come in January. She said, ‘I’ll do it, period.’ The fact is, she was very clear. She did not hesitate for one second.”

Finally we can get to the bottom of what happened at Benghazi. Good on Hillary for giving up her Presidential bid to finally let the truth come out.

LOL, because most certainly the Clinton are well know as people who value honesty and integrity above all else :umad

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 28, 2015, 01:39:29 PM

Certainly more integrity than the making shit upreporting from certain news outlets. My father in law, who is an avid fox news watcher, already said he can't vote for Hillary because of Benghazi. His mind won't be changed by this either.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 28, 2015, 01:40:34 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 28, 2015, 01:39:29 PM

Certainly more integrity than the making shit upreporting from certain news outlets. My father in law, who is an avid fox news watcher, already said he can't vote for Hillary because of Benghazi. His mind won't be changed by this either.

The Clinton's are the Fox News of politics.

For the record the Bush's are more like the cartoon network.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2015, 02:09:37 PM

Andrew Sullivan is quitting blogging; 9% less hand-wringing on the internet expected as a result

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/01/28/a-note-to-my-readers/

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2015, 02:26:56 PM

 :bow GOP Congress :bow2

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2015, 04:28:13 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 28, 2015, 03:53:59 PM

Another concern I have with the study is that it will be used to make poor policy prescriptions in the future.

I think we need a study before we can be sure.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 28, 2015, 04:47:53 PM

Can't wait for the next bombshell study that shows people dealing with SNAP cuts are better fed and healthier.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 28, 2015, 09:46:55 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 28, 2015, 12:31:24 PM

Conservative internet warriors are going to be insufferable from here on out, thanks to a study that purports to show that 60% of the jobs created in 2014 were due to the expiration of unemployment benefits motivating people to get off their asses.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/27/a-new-study-argues-cutting-unemployment-benefits-created-1-8-million-jobs/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/27/a-new-study-argues-cutting-unemployment-benefits-created-1-8-million-jobs/)

This link's for you:

http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/01/28/right-wing-media-use-flawed-study-to-attack-une/202312

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 30, 2015, 11:17:24 AM

In a surprised turn of events, Mitt flip flops and is not running in 2016.  :omg

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2015, 11:45:03 AM

Can't wait until Jebya starts to falter and then Romney has a heartfelt conversation with Ann and God and decides to run again.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on January 30, 2015, 02:58:37 PM

Governing is hard. It's easier just to stay in bed with binders full of women.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 30, 2015, 09:31:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422579428&v=RwB8qPTP9ac&x-yt-cl=85114404

#hottake

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2015, 09:37:56 PM

1. Why can't they identify Stacey Dash instead of "Fox Panelist."

2. KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO KEVIN SORBO

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 30, 2015, 10:38:56 PM

i kind of respect Romney for telling press that Battlefield Earth was his favorite book tho

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2015, 10:46:57 PM

I'd like to hear his thoughts on the film.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2015, 12:31:28 AM

Romney's 1-dimensional chess, breh.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 31, 2015, 01:22:42 AM

My sister still hasn't forgiven Kevin Sorbo for post-S1 Andromeda.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2015, 03:47:07 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/01/opinion/sunday/retroactively-authorizing-war.html

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They went largely unnoticed, four words President Obama ad-libbed during the State of the Union address last month as he asked lawmakers to provide legal cover for America’s military intervention in Iraq and Syria.

“We need that authority,” the president said, adding a line to the prepared remarks on his teleprompter that seemed to acknowledge a reality about which his administration has been inexcusably dishonest.

As the new Congress gets settled in, the debate over the scope and legal authority of Washington’s new war in the Middle East has resurfaced amid strikingly disparate views. The White House is consulting with lawmakers from both parties on the parameters that would retroactively establish ground rules for the bombing campaign against Islamic State militants in Iraq and Syria that began in September.

That task has become more complicated by irresponsible calls from some lawmakers, and the nation’s top military officer, for an expansive mandate that would leave this president, and his successors, with dangerously broad authority to use military force in perpetuity.

The Islamic State, a barbaric militant group that seeks to establish a caliphate, poses a dire threat to the United States and its allies that will take a long time, and significant resources, to fight. But the group, also known as ISIL and ISIS, cannot serve as a pretext to give the executive branch what amounts to a blank check to battle an ever-shifting array of enemies around the globe.

By failing to replace the sweeping war authorizations Congress established for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan more than a decade ago, with a far narrower mandate, lawmakers are abdicating one of their most consequential constitutional powers: the authority to declare war. White House officials maintain that the current campaign in Iraq and Syria is legal under the Afghan and Iraq war resolutions, a dubious argument considering those were tailored to respond to the Sept. 11 attacks and to deal with Saddam Hussein, then the Iraqi leader, on the grounds — since proved to be false — that he had weapons of mass destruction.

While President Obama has called on Congress to draft a new authorization for the use of military force, the White House has yet to lay out a specific blueprint that could serve as a starting point for negotiations on Capitol Hill.

...

Gen. Martin Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, indicated in an interview that he was pushing for a timeless war authorization. “All options should be on the table, and then we can debate whether we want to use them,” he told the Pentagon’s news service on Jan. 23.

Prominent Republicans in recent days have called for an even more robust campaign. Senator John McCain of Arizona, the new chairman of the Armed Services Committee, recently said that “American boots on the ground are necessary to defeat” the Islamic State. He also called for the establishment of a no-flight zone in Syria and more support for so-called moderate rebels. His position would not seem as ill-advised if the painful lessons of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan weren’t as raw.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Oblivion on February 02, 2015, 04:16:51 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on January 31, 2015, 01:22:42 AM

My sister still hasn't forgiven Kevin Sorbo for post-S1 Andromeda.

As I haven't for post- S4 Hercules.  :ufup

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2015, 10:44:49 PM

I'm going to start getting involved in politics and going to my city's democratic party meetings.  However my city is super red republican so I wonder how that is going to play out.  It makes more sense to network with the republican party since they have all the power, but I think I would die inside being at their events :\

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 03, 2015, 01:00:20 AM

Outside of SNA or ANA, getting involved in an OC Democratic Party organization is about as meaningful as asking questions in a letter.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 03, 2015, 09:11:45 PM

http://thisiscommunism.org

Quote

From a thousand different directions, we are bombarded with the message that communism was a “nightmare” and “failure.” Go into a bookstore and look at the current titles on Mao, the Cultural Revolution, or socialism in the Soviet Union. Take a listen when commentators on TV and radio say something about communism. Leaf through a standard textbook on political theory or modern history. There’s a highly distorted narrative of socialism in the 20th century, and it goes largely unanswered.

The truth is that the first socialist revolutions—in the Soviet Union from 1917 until the defeat of that revolution in 1956, and in China from 1949 until the defeat of socialism in 1976—marked a break-through for humanity. These were the first attempts in modern history to build societies free from exploitation and oppression. And they accomplished extraordinary things against enormous obstacles.

The mission of Set the Record Straight is to factually refute the lies spread in the media, mass-market books, and mainstream scholarship about the Soviet and Chinese revolutions, and to bring to light the overwhelming achievements of these revolutions as well as their real problems and shortcomings. Our mission is to reveal the actual history and experience of these revolutions, to open up a two-sided debate about socialism and communism, and to promote a conversation about why a radically different and liberating world is possible.

In all of this, we are bringing forward Bob Avakian’s exciting vision of a vibrant communism for the 21st century.


...

Set the Record Straight seeks to challenge the paralyzing conventional wisdom about communism that has seeped so deeply into popular understanding and to raise people’s sights to a far better future for humanity.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2015, 03:40:17 PM

Quote

At 91 years old, the former secretary of state, national security adviser and intellectual-cum-celebrity has come to occupy a unique place in the foreign policy firmament. Though some historians blame him for countless deaths in places like Vietnam, Cambodia and Bangladesh, Kissinger is more revered than ever in Washington. He has become a Yoda-like figure, bestowing credibility and a statesman's aura to politicians of both parties, including ones who may not actually share his worldview. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/02/henry-kissinger-2016-election-114885.html?hp=t4_r)

Hey, you can't make an secret, illegal omelette without breaking a few eggs, amirite?

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Post by: Kara on February 04, 2015, 04:34:40 PM

lol good grief

http://journalofaccountancy.com/issues/2015/feb/mergers-offset-tax-interest.html

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 05, 2015, 05:53:23 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/mike-huckabee-on-old-anti-dance-column-at-least-i-wasnt-in-t#.heX9NZOV

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Speaking with the Family Research Council’s Tony Perkins on his radio program, Washington Watch, Huckabee discussed the columns at length, saying he found it funny the anecdotes from his past showed him to be a devote Christian while other potential Republican rivals were admitting past drug and alcohol use.

“It’s a column that I wrote for the Baptist Trumpet newspaper. It was actually even before I went to college, I was writing it when I was a senior in high school. I was 17 years old and I wrote this weekly column in the newspaper and it was sort of an advice column for teenagers who were believers,” said Huckabee.

The former Arkansas governor added the title of the column, “RAPture Express,” came from combining rap and the rapture.

“So the term the ‘Rapture Express’ came from the very popular term in the 70’s for ‘rap,’ meaning to converse and of course rapture was something we were all talking about in the 70s. So much talking about the second coming. But anyway, I did this so, BuzzFeed, I don’t know how they got em’, I’m not sure, don’t really care, but they found sets, a whole selection of the columns I wrote, on which I discussed things like dating, dancing, smoking, I mean all sorts of issues that would be relevant to a 1973 teenager. Cause that’s when it was, 1973. I was 17.”

Huckabee said he found it funny people were focusing on his old columns, specifically one in which he wrote Christians shouldn’t dance, when at the same time other potential Republican candidates were addressing past drug use and drinking.

“Well it was basically like—you know—I couldn’t say that it was prohibited but I wasn’t sure that it was good for a person’s witness. Anyway, the funniest thing, I mean, I read this and I laughed out loud and I said, while other candidates are being outed for their teenage drug use, their teenage alcohol use, their teenage partying hard, doing all sorts of destructive things like painting graffiti on bridges. The scandal with me is that I wrote a column at age 17 telling Christian young people to live a godly life. So, I mean, I just had to say, is this really controversial? I’d much rather have to defend this than say, yes, I used to regularly be apart of the choom gang. It’s just bizarre.”

Huckabee said BuzzFeed News’ story showed “how contemptuous the left really is toward believers.”

“I just wish that I can grow as much hair now Tony, I really do. Now I’ve been made fun of by my own family because of the sideburns. But I tell them, I say, ‘hey, it was 1973, what do you think I’m going to look like?’ Thank goodness they didn’t have the bell bottom pants to show those as well. I just find that its amazing, but it shows though how contemptuous the left really is toward believers. They truly think that we are just laughable for the beliefs we hold. Rather than let get me down and make me all depressed, I just take it as, wow, the worst thing they can say about us is that we truly believe that the scripture teaches us to live a circumspect life, okay well you got me, I plead guilty, and we’ll find something else to be upset about. “

From the columns (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/rapture-express#.ieZmEAWN):

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On dancing: “I strongly recommend that Christian teens stay away from dancing, mainly because some people would just not be able to respect a person who attended dances.”

On soap operas, Huckabee says, “I literally hate them!” He suggests watching soap operas make adultery, lying, divorce, murder, hating, and stealing seem routine and normal to people. He writes that “studies” link soap operas to liberal views.

In a dating column, Huckabee advises his readers to date other Christians and not “lost people,” although he says his readers should still associate with them.

Huckabee also advises teens to date a fellow Christian who does not swear or drink excessively: “If the person isn’t the type you’d feel comfortable talking about Jesus with then I recommend you don’t date that person.”

After a letter to the editor accused Huckabee of having “straddled a fence” in his column about dancing, he praises looking at both sides of an argument: “I don’t want other young people to stay away from dances just because I do.”

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 05, 2015, 06:30:12 PM

The RAPture Express was a groove train to Funky Town, where DJ Huckmaster helped all the cats out there get down with the Lord, do you dig it?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on February 06, 2015, 08:29:18 AM

It's been 40 years since and still no rapture, yet it's contemptuous of "the left" of how they "treat" believers. It's not contempt, breh. It's pity.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 06, 2015, 01:33:22 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 06, 2015, 12:50:26 PM

These people seriously think they can exact massive concessions from Obama if King v Burwell ends up with the federal exchange subisidies being ruled illegal.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/scott-gottlieb-and-tevi-troy-how-not-to-bungle-an-obamacare-opening-1423179495?mod=hp_opinion (http://www.wsj.com/articles/scott-gottlieb-and-tevi-troy-how-not-to-bungle-an-obamacare-opening-1423179495?mod=hp_opinion)

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If the plaintiffs prevail, President Obama would undoubtedly blame Republicans for “taking away” the subsidies. And GOP governors might cave to political pressure and create state exchanges they had previously rejected. To avoid this outcome, ObamaCare’s congressional critics need to come up with an alternative that’s ready to go if the Supreme Court’s ruling goes their way. That means a plan that can pass Congress and leave the president hard pressed to veto.

Unless Republicans advance reforms that provide some immediate relief, start to turn ObamaCare in a market-based direction, and leave Mr. Obama in a political bind, the GOP will be blamed unfairly for customers facing premium-induced pain.

Bolded for comedic levels of delusion.

Yes, the 35-40% of avid Fox News viewers out there will go along with the party line. Everywhere else, the optics on this are going to be disastrous for Republicans. They filed a lawsuit to take premium subsidies away from millions of people; of course they're going to get blamed if it happens.

And who do they really think will be in an easier position? Obama, who just has to repeatedly get on the bully pulpit and demand that Republicans pass a simple (probably 4 word) fix? Or Republicans, who will have to explain how Obama is really the one taking away healthcare from millions because he won't give them X, Y and Z demands after the lawsuit they filed? Again, the rabid Fox News base will buy that argument, but I don't see it playing well with moderates.

This lawsuit could be a Pandora's Box for Republicans.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gUgc3CQ33g

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 06, 2015, 06:41:47 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 06, 2015, 08:29:18 AM

It's been 40 years since and still no rapture, yet it's contemptuous of "the left" of how they "treat" believers. It's not contempt, breh. It's pity.

"The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is the demand for their real happiness. To call on them to give up their illusions about their condition is to call on them to give up a condition that requires illusions."

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 07:06:50 PM

I posted a clip from this debate in the religion/spirituality thread but this was my second favorite part because Del Harris here annihilates forever all those murderous atheists with real voice quivering passion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHv7IQCg-w#t=1h40m40s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHv7IQCg-w#t=1h40m40s)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 09:10:48 PM

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/wayne-county/2015/02/05/woman-accused-killing-slow-cooker-court/22925379/

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Livonia — A Detroit woman was ordered Thursday to stand trial in the killing of her friend beaten with a slow cooker after the two argued about politics.

Tewana Sullivan, 50, who is charged with murder, cried at her preliminary hearing as she heard graphic details about the fatal Oct. 22 assault on Cheryl Livy, 66, with a kitchen appliance.

...

Livy was discovered barely breathing with the cord of the "busted" slow cooker around her neck in her apartment around 10:45 p.m. at the McNamara Towers senior housing complex in the 19300 block of Purlingbrook, officer Thomas Blauvelt testified.

Blauvelt said he found "blood all over the walls, all over the floor, all over the victim."

"The Crockpot is busted over her head with the cord around her throat. She was barely breathing," he said.

...

Defense attorney John McWilliams said the two women had argued over "presidential politics."

"Whatever the controversy is between Democrats and Republicans," he said.

I'm glad to see that in the comments of every story on this nobody has rushed to judgement about which party was who.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 09:19:05 PM

The most important thing to remember here is that it was a recipe for disaster.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 06, 2015, 10:26:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 07:06:50 PM

I posted a clip from this debate in the religion/spirituality thread but this was my second favorite part because Del Harris here annihilates forever all those murderous atheists with real voice quivering passion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHv7IQCg-w#t=1h40m40s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHv7IQCg-w#t=1h40m40s)

I always knew Koba was taking the fall for Leon. Now I have incontrovertible proof.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2015, 11:27:24 PM

Rock, Flag and Eagle (http://"http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/ted-nugent-sarah-palin-perfect-example-founding-fathers-vision")

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In an interview last month with Lars Larson, National Rifle Association board member Ted Nugent blamed President Obama’s election on people who forgot that “Martin Luther King died so that we would someday judge by content of character instead of color of skin.” It seems that Americans missed out on voting for a true American hero: Sarah Palin.

“She is my hero,” Nugent said of the former half-term Alaska governor. “Sarah Palin is the perfect example of what our Founding Fathers envisioned for an experiment in self-government.”

Nugent was especially impressed by Palin’s decision to resign midway through her first term as governor: “She quit because the left hate machine was so overwhelming her with frivolous litigation that she did the most courageous thing in the world and she handed her governor duties to the lieutenant governor while she was taking on this hate onslaught of the left so that Alaska would be properly served by someone who could pay attention to the responsibilities of the office of government while she was fighting off the leftist mongrels. She’s my hero.”

After plugging Palin’s new TV show, Nugent gushed that she is “an amazing American and she brings forth so much good that the general media would not bring forth, she’s a reminder that the heart and soul of working-hard, playing-hard, being-the-best-that-you-can-be America is alive and well.”

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2015, 01:21:08 PM

Kinda want to make a thread. Barry doesn't give a fuck. Been net neutrality and this, doing is going ham.
:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2015, 10:44:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJTdHgR_yUs

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 08, 2015, 10:56:03 PM

No one expected the Inquisition at the prayer breakfast.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2015, 12:28:51 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/02/vox-interview-barack-obama-115033.html

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But that’s not what bothers me about the Vox interview. Here, for me, is the real rub:

In the example of Klein and Yglesias, they’re less interested in interviewing Obama than they are in explaining his policies. Again and again, they serve him softball—no, make that Nerf ball—questions and then insert infographics and footnotes that help advance White House positions. Vox has lavished such spectacular production values on the video version of the Obama interview—swirling graphics and illustrations, background music (background music!?), aggressive editing, multiple camera angles—that the clips end up looking and sounding like extended commercials for the Obama-in-2016 campaign. I’ve seen subtler Scientology recruitment films.

Explainer journalism, as practiced by Klein, purports to break down complex policy issues into laymen-friendly packages that are issued from the realm of pure reason. But as Pascal-Emmanuel Gobry succinctly put it last summer in The Week, “Vox is really partisan commentary in question-and-answer disguise” that “often looks more like a right-wing caricature of what a partisan media outlet dressed up as an explainer site would look like.”

As a sometime partisan commenter, I venerate partisan commentary because it can cut through the protective Styrofoam cladding politicians love to wrap their messages in. But if you’re going to be partisan about your journalism, if you’re going to give the president an easy ride, you’ve got to be clean about it! You can’t pretend, as Klein did when he founded Vox, that you’re taking a neutral approach to news and that all you’re doing is making the news “vegetables” more palatable by roasting them to “perfection with a drizzle of olive oil and hint of sea salt.” Klein and Yglesias are like two Roman curia cardinals who want us to believe their exclusive interview with the pope is on the level.

(http://media.giphy.com/media/E27wssAGMuJHi/giphy.gif)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2015, 09:26:21 AM

they mad

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Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2015, 01:38:18 PM

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"The House has done its job," Boehner said at a press conference after he met with House Republican members. "Why don't you go ask the Senate Democrats when they're going to get off their ass and do something other than to vote no?"

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House Republicans were critical of the Senate attempting to pass the buck back to them. Rep. John Carter (R-Texas) told reporters that it is "ridiculous" Senate Democrats won't move to debate on the House's bill.

"I say to them work 24 hours a day until the February deadline and see if you can't convince the Democrats to actually be patriots and not obstructionists," Carter said after the House members' weekly meeting. "We've done our job."

(http://i.imgur.com/zCLyI9T.gif)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 11, 2015, 01:42:54 PM

:neogaf

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 11, 2015, 02:30:32 PM

does anyone honestly think they're going to let the DHS spending lapse? Come on. This is all a game for the House.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 11, 2015, 02:51:08 PM

Can we just go full stupid and run the federal government by liberum veto? Think how much money American businesses will save by only having to bribe solitary politicians instead of the multitudes of hacks they have to pay off now. A modest proposal to reinvigorate our ailing economy, thank you.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2015, 12:39:39 AM

http://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/mainstream-journalists-are-scared-of-scott-walker

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Not all Democratic National Committee flacks disguised as reporters/pundits are as transparent as Michael Tomasky, who collects paychecks from The Daily Beast. Instead of dismissing the large field of potential Republican presidential candidates as “astonishingly weak” as Tomasky does in a Feb. 2 article headlined “GOP: Still the Party of Stupid,” others ask if a certain candidate (invariably described as “flavor of the month”) is “peaking too soon” in the very, very early polls.

There’s little question that most of the media will, after kicking her around some, favor Hillary Clinton in the primaries and, assuming she wins the nomination, the general election. But there’s a lot of time to kill before the 2016 campaign kicks into high gear, so while Clinton assembles 200 “fiscal experts” to help her formulate a credible stance on income inequality (doesn’t anyone remember that Hillary’s plethora of other experts bogged down and doomed her healthcare initiative during Bill’s first term?), the media focuses mostly on Jeb Bush, drooling at the prospect of two political “dynasties” facing off. It’s said that the GOP “establishment” (also described as the “adults”) prefers a fairly well-known candidate like the former Florida governor, and maybe that’s true, but the media’s had just as big a hand in plumping for his candidacy. Business as usual, although the attention given to the bombastic Gov. Chris Christie, a ticking time-bomb of gaffes and skeletons, is more puzzling. Laziness, I guess, and reams of colorful material and fat jokes.

...

I think the reason why Tomasky—soon to be followed by less blatantly biased journalists—is bashing Walker as if he’s a joke candidate like Donald Trump, Al Sharpton or Herman Cain, is because if the Governor prevails in the primaries he has a real shot of winning. (Unlike Romney, whose ham-handed campaign, save for that Denver debate, was a debacle start to finish.”) Conservative activists are nervous that Walker’s going soft on immigration (and Sen. Ted Cruz, the Texan demagogue, will have a ball with that), but are still impressed by his three victories in four years (one a re-call) in the blue-leaning Wisconsin.

Yet Walker’s biggest attribute, which is barely acknowledged by the media in a campaign environment that’s income inequality non-stop, is that he’s a middle-class pol who hasn’t enriched himself by exorbitant speaking fees or board directorships. Think of multimillionaire Hillary Clinton (and the high-rolling Wall Street/Hollywood donors in her corner) trying to explain how she’s one of the “regular folks” who, borrowing from her husband, “feels their pain.” Walker isn’t charismatic (nor is Hillary), but that might not matter in this post-Obama cycle. Walker’s a union-buster, which is a popular stance in most of the country—and it’s not as if any Republican will attract union voters anyway. Walker, like all the GOP candidates, is anti-Obamacare, which also won’t hurt him.

:american

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2015, 01:06:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8rp-tlgqa4

still the greatest after all these years

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 12, 2015, 09:41:31 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=990536


 :snoop

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 12, 2015, 11:03:01 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 12, 2015, 12:39:39 AM

http://www.splicetoday.com/politics-and-media/mainstream-journalists-are-scared-of-scott-walker

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Not all Democratic National Committee flacks disguised as reporters/pundits are as transparent as Michael Tomasky, who collects paychecks from The Daily Beast. Instead of dismissing the large field of potential Republican presidential candidates as “astonishingly weak” as Tomasky does in a Feb. 2 article headlined “GOP: Still the Party of Stupid,” others ask if a certain candidate (invariably described as “flavor of the month”) is “peaking too soon” in the very, very early polls.

There’s little question that most of the media will, after kicking her around some, favor Hillary Clinton in the primaries and, assuming she wins the nomination, the general election. But there’s a lot of time to kill before the 2016 campaign kicks into high gear, so while Clinton assembles 200 “fiscal experts” to help her formulate a credible stance on income inequality (doesn’t anyone remember that Hillary’s plethora of other experts bogged down and doomed her healthcare initiative during Bill’s first term?), the media focuses mostly on Jeb Bush, drooling at the prospect of two political “dynasties” facing off. It’s said that the GOP “establishment” (also described as the “adults”) prefers a fairly well-known candidate like the former Florida governor, and maybe that’s true, but the media’s had just as big a hand in plumping for his candidacy. Business as usual, although the attention given to the bombastic Gov. Chris Christie, a ticking time-bomb of gaffes and skeletons, is more puzzling. Laziness, I guess, and reams of colorful material and fat jokes.

...

I think the reason why Tomasky—soon to be followed by less blatantly biased journalists—is bashing Walker as if he’s a joke candidate like Donald Trump, Al Sharpton or Herman Cain, is because if the Governor prevails in the primaries he has a real shot of winning. (Unlike Romney, whose ham-handed campaign, save for that Denver debate, was a debacle start to finish.”) Conservative activists are nervous that Walker’s going soft on immigration (and Sen. Ted Cruz, the Texan demagogue, will have a ball with that), but are still impressed by his three victories in four years (one a re-call) in the blue-leaning Wisconsin.

Yet Walker’s biggest attribute, which is barely acknowledged by the media in a campaign environment that’s income inequality non-stop, is that he’s a middle-class pol who hasn’t enriched himself by exorbitant speaking fees or board directorships. Think of multimillionaire Hillary Clinton (and the high-rolling Wall Street/Hollywood donors in her corner) trying to explain how she’s one of the “regular folks” who, borrowing from her husband, “feels their pain.” Walker isn’t charismatic (nor is Hillary), but that might not matter in this post-Obama cycle. Walker’s a union-buster, which is a popular stance in most of the country—and it’s not as if any Republican will attract union voters anyway. Walker, like all the GOP candidates, is anti-Obamacare, which also won’t hurt him.

:american

This is one of my pet-peeves in horserace-type articles. People don't "peak too soon" they just get their turn for a moment of attention and are found lacking, then people move on.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2015, 12:41:29 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on February 12, 2015, 11:03:01 AM

This is one of my pet-peeves in horserace-type articles. People don't "peak too soon" they just get their turn for a moment of attention and are found lacking, then people move on.

See also: Herman Cain, Newt Gingrich, Rick Perry, Michele Bachmann, Rick Santorum, Ron Paul, ect.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Trent Dole on February 12, 2015, 06:56:44 PM

Still think it's weird that the last man standing for the GOP in '12 was freakin' Mitt Romney. Look back at the '08 debates for party nomination and EVERYONE on stage was taking shots at him every chance they got! :gun

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Post by: Kara on February 12, 2015, 08:12:45 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 12, 2015, 09:41:31 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=990536


 :snoop

I wanted to believe number one meant she was an anti-revisionist M-L. :ussrcry

A left liberal decrying nonspecific revisionist history just screams "I never read Howard Zinn."

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 12, 2015, 08:43:37 PM

Just came across this and wondering if you've heard it before Kara? It's a quote from Fifty Shade of Grey:

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“I feel the color in my cheeks rising again. I must be the color of The Communist Manifesto.”

I nearly did a real life spit take when I saw it.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2015, 08:50:21 PM

Fifty Shades of Red

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 13, 2015, 12:41:07 AM

Quote from: Mamacint on February 12, 2015, 08:43:37 PM

Just came across this and wondering if you've heard it before Kara? It's a quote from Fifty Shade of Grey:

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“I feel the color in my cheeks rising again. I must be the color of The Communist Manifesto.”

I nearly did a real life spit take when I saw it.

I hadn't heard about this, so in the spirit of equivalent exchange please enjoy this.

(http://i.imgur.com/N8nWeMB.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

My last relationship irl. :fbm

[close]

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 13, 2015, 01:43:51 AM

so much to unpack from that, don't know where to start  :lol

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 13, 2015, 12:51:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A6j1r3Kbuo

:rofl

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 13, 2015, 12:55:09 PM

mah waifu

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 13, 2015, 12:57:42 PM

fossil fuel-chan :uguu

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2015, 01:47:26 AM

Conservative Comedian Evan Sayet starts at 7:30.

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Founder of "The Right To Laugh - a night of Conservative Comedy!"

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His first CD is called "Funny, you don't look conservative."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDb3sTwD_vA

 :rofl

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2015, 05:02:09 AM

The Lexington Dispatch has issued a correction:
(http://i.imgur.com/iFjfKVD.jpg)

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Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2015, 10:53:40 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Iraq war now justified for the price of 400 "rockets" even though some were empty.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 17, 2015, 11:09:12 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 17, 2015, 10:53:40 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Iraq war now justified for the price of 400 "rockets" even though some were empty.

Did we get back the PS2's Saddam was gonna use to launch them?

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Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2015, 12:11:27 PM

Yes because they switched over to PS3 development once early dev kits were out. What became widely known as the difficulty to program for the Cell™ is what ultimately led Saddam to losing the war. 'Thanks Kutaragi' was an Iraqi meme back then.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2015, 08:55:47 PM

Little known fact, the Iraqi Ba'ath Party was lead developer on The Last Guardian.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2015, 03:26:58 AM

City-Journal is a conservative leaning magazine, but they occasionally have some good long form pieces on oft-ignored topics, if you can get past the usual lines like "job-killing Obamacare" and so on. I thought this one on union tensions was pretty interesting.

http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_1_labor-divide.html (http://www.city-journal.org/2015/25_1_labor-divide.html)

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Over the past few years, Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel has enraged public-sector unions by closing failing public schools and calling for pension reform. The head of the American Federation of Teachers, Randi Weingarten, went so far as to offer a local labor official $1 million in union campaign support to take on Emanuel, up for reelection in February. But private unions have a different view of the mayor. Building-trades groups like the Construction and General Laborers’ District Council have benefited from his infrastructure spending and have donated heavily to his reelection, while the hotel workers’ union, Unite Here, has openly endorsed him for boosting Chicago tourism. “There’s a lot of support I have from working men and women,” Emanuel retorted last year when asked about the public-sector-union opposition to his mayoralty.

Chicago’s labor rift isn’t unique. The goals of public and private unions are diverging. Government employees, determined to hold on to their pay and benefits, are fighting to defeat political leaders and candidates advocating fiscal reforms, such as limits on tax increases. Private unions, by contrast, see the nation’s sluggish economic growth as a threat to their members and are increasingly encouraging politicians to focus on private-sector job creation.

...

These disputes have roiled Democratic primaries and even pushed some labor groups into the arms of Republican candidates. The face-off among labor groups could have significant long-term consequences if it becomes a struggle for the future of the Democratic Party—and judging by the battles among labor groups in last year’s elections, that struggle may be under way.

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Today’s labor divide is actually a new twist on older conflicts. Decades ago, when public-sector workers first began to push for the right to organize, many private labor leaders were skeptical that collective bargaining could work in government employment; government officials tended to agree. Unionized public workers, they felt, could easily hold the public hostage. One consequence of that widespread attitude was the exclusion of public employees from many early federal labor laws, including the 1935 Wagner Act, which gives private workers the right to organize and bargain collectively. In an oft-quoted 1937 letter, President Franklin Delano Roosevelt explained to an angry Luther Steward, president of the National Federation of Federal Employees, that, while it was acceptable for federal workers to organize into associations or trade groups to represent their interests, “All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service.”

By the late 1950s, however, AFL-CIO boss George Meany and some other prominent labor leaders had reversed course. Giving government workers the right to bargain collectively, they now contended, would strengthen labor’s clout. Labor promoted—and swiftly achieved—collective bargaining for government workers in states and municipalities across the country. But that success soon proved a double-edged sword. Meany had worked hard to convince the American public that organized labor had no interest in big government, since an expanded state wouldn’t help unionized workers, who had traditionally worked in the private sector. Now he had a faction within the labor movement that did benefit from big government—and that lobbied continuously for it.

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A struggling economy and blown-out state and local budgets, burdened with heavy government-worker costs, have brought to the surface the old enmity between private and public unions. Nowhere has this been more visible than in New Jersey. In 2006, as a budget crisis rocked the state, Democratic state senator Stephen Sweeney, an ironworkers’-union official, declared that public employees should take a 15 percent pay cut to prevent looming tax hikes. “My guys haven’t gotten a raise in two years because their entire raise went to their health and pension costs,” Sweeney complained. “New Jersey has a government that we can’t afford any longer.” A union war of words ensued, with one public-sector labor leader likening Sweeney to a “right-wing Republican.”

Tensions simmered for years, in part because then-governor Jon Corzine, also a Democrat, refused to ask government workers for significant concessions, even as New Jersey taxes soared. In 2011, Sweeney and other Democratic state legislators who also were private-union officials voted for a bill, promoted by new Republican governor Chris Christie, that scaled back government-employee benefits. Later that year, the state’s AFL-CIO refused to endorse the private-union officials for reelection. Representatives of building-trades unions stalked out of the AFL-CIO endorsement meeting in protest.

The controversy reverberated in New Jersey’s 2013 gubernatorial race. Some two dozen private unions endorsed Christie for reelection, shunning his Democratic opponent, State Senator Barbara Buono; public-sector unions aggressively opposed Christie. Private-union leaders liked the way Christie had restrained tax increases and restarted job growth. In its endorsement of the governor, one New Jersey local of the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers noted that, between 2001 and 2009, the number of hours its members worked had declined more than 50 percent, to 3 million—but during Christie’s tenure had rebounded by about 1.5 million annual hours. “Our men love him,” the local’s business manager, Patrick Delle Cava, said. A CNN exit poll on the election, which Christie won with 60 percent of the vote, showed that he did well among voters in union households, capturing 46 percent of their ballots.

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In a sign of battles to come, trade-union groups at the 2013 meeting called for AFL-CIO member unions to engage in more bipartisan political action and to seek “greater political independence.” The trades have become especially restive over public-sector unions’ monolithic support for Democratic candidates. In the 2014 election cycle, the American Federation of Teachers gave $1.7 million to 202 Democratic congressional candidates and $5,000 to one Republican. AFSCME contributed nearly $1.5 million to 195 House Democratic candidates and to 26 Senate Democratic contenders, as well as $6,000 to three Republicans. The American Federation of Government Employees contributed $525,000 to 178 Democrats and $41,750 to 19 Republicans. These figures are part of a long-running pattern. Since 1990, according to the Center for Responsive Politics, the AFT has given $34.5 million to Democrats and $308,250 to Republicans. AFSCME contributed $51.4 million to Democrats and $643,655 to Republicans over those years, while AFGE spent $7.8 million on Democrats and $390,552 on Republicans.

By contrast, in 2014 congressional races, the Carpenters and Joiners Union, which led the charge within the AFL-CIO for a more bipartisan approach, contributed $418,000 to 46 GOP candidates and more than $1 million to 150 Democrats. The Operating Engineers Union contributed $1.4 million to 213 Democratic congressional candidates and $425,000 to 51 Republicans. Other blue-collar unions are following suit. The New Jersey Building and Construction Trades Council, a labor umbrella group, touted its endorsement of four 2014 GOP congressional candidates as part of a “commitment to a broad, bipartisan approach to solving our nation’s economic problems.”

Capitalists dividing the workers to keep them exploited and oppressed, etc. etc.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 18, 2015, 04:04:53 AM

The labor aristocracy eating itself. :lawd

Trade unionism fracturing along industry. :lawd

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 18, 2015, 11:01:38 PM

US 'war on those perverting Islam'

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-31523213

Obviously you guys are running out of war on names.  Pretty soon you'll be in start-up silly name territory and start adding an camel case 'i' prefex and 'er' suffex to everything.   

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2015, 11:32:51 PM

I'm so tired of all these wars, man. I'm starting a War on Wars!

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 18, 2015, 11:34:34 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 18, 2015, 11:32:51 PM

I'm so tired of all these wars, man. I'm starting a War on Wars!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4rKGPi-r_I

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 19, 2015, 12:14:54 AM

Joe's getting a bit cosby, there.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2015, 12:32:14 AM

(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/1495974_10151741702452805_1721795909_o-620x413.jpg)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 19, 2015, 09:24:36 AM

yea....

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2015, 10:49:54 AM

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/19/great-sim-heist/

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on February 20, 2015, 11:20:35 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/wayne-barrett-rudy-giuliani-love-article-1.2122253

 :whoo

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 20, 2015, 11:21:41 AM

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GIULIANI: You know, President Obama didn't live through September 11 -- I did.  President Obama didn't almost have a building fall on him -- myself and my police commissioner and my fire commissioner did. And, I lost ten of my very close friends.

:neogaf

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2015, 11:44:58 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/Y5ZrMQW.jpg)

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 20, 2015, 02:21:36 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 20, 2015, 11:20:35 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/wayne-barrett-rudy-giuliani-love-article-1.2122253

 :whoo

(http://i.imgur.com/kaimHiv.png)

:whew

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 23, 2015, 01:52:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUtirCf-RfU

Obamao OWNED

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 23, 2015, 02:06:18 PM

AiA, is this your kid?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cj-pearson-defends-giuliani-obama

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2015, 02:19:39 AM

James O'Keefe: 'I Am Afraid For My Life On This One' (http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/james-okeefe-i-am-afraid-my-life-one)

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Conservative journalist filmmaker James O’Keefe on Saturday tweeted an ominous message to those who follow him and his influential work.

“We have a story we’re going to release this coming week and I've never thought about this before but I am afraid for my life on this one,” O'Keefe announced Saturday afternoon.

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We have a story we’re going to release this coming week and I've never thought about this before but I am afraid for my life on this one.

— James O'Keefe (@JamesOKeefeIII) February 21, 2015

What the story is one can only speculate, but for this one to be particularly risky in O'Keefe's estimation is saying something. O’Keefe's work includes single-handedly taking down ACORN, easily crossing the U.S./Mexican border dressed as Osama bin Laden, exposing Allison Lundegren Grimes' fraudulent coal beliefs, exposing Democratic voter fraud, and catching Wendy Davis supporters mocking a wheel chair bound Greg Abbott for being paralyzed.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2015, 09:40:36 AM

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easily crossing the U.S./Mexican border dressed as Osama bin Laden

:heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 24, 2015, 11:51:44 AM

Apparently, his latest death-defying stunt is getting black people to say Al Sharpton only cares about money.

http://nypost.com/2015/02/24/eric-garners-daughter-on-al-sharpton-hes-all-about-the-money/

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2015, 10:45:40 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/BfB3aeW.jpg)
:dead

#NoNetNeutrality might be the greatest hashtag on twitter. holy shit

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2015, 11:02:16 PM

Garden variety Leftists

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Brehvolution on February 26, 2015, 01:40:36 PM

Net neutrality prevails :rejoice
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/26/net-neutrality-fcc-vote_n_6761702.html

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The FCC's two Republican commissioners attacked the vote. Commissioner Ajit Pai called the decision an "about-face" and stoked conservative fears by claiming, "We are flip-flopping for one reason and one reason only: President Obama told us to do so."

Those gathered in one FCC viewing room gasped and burst into laughter upon hearing Pai's remark.

Republicans have launched investigations into whether the White House unfairly influenced the FCC's decision, and are expected to pursue legislation, already introduced, that would gut the FCC's new authority. Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.) has said he plans to hold off-the-record meetings with stakeholders in early March in an attempt to drum up support from Democrats for his bill.

"Popular victories like today's are so unusual that three Congressional committees are investigating how this happened," said David Segal, executive director of Demand Progress, a group that supports net neutrality. He added in a statement, "If the net neutrality effort had followed the usual playbook, if Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T had defeated the American people, nobody would be wondering why."

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2015, 01:49:13 PM

Thanks Obama.
:obama

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2015, 02:21:01 PM

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"We are flip-flopping for one reason and one reason only: President Obama told us to do so."

:bow Obama :bow2

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2015, 05:11:39 PM

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Republicans have launched investigations into whether the White House unfairly influenced the FCC's decision

Investigate whether Obama influenced a guy that he hired to run an executive branch agency. :neogaf

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Steve Contra on February 26, 2015, 05:51:11 PM

Why do you read the WSJ opinion pages?  WHY?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2015, 06:00:39 PM

starting to think Walrus has stock in blood pressure meds.

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BIG PHARMA

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Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2015, 06:28:19 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2015, 05:46:27 PM

Heninger is such a goddamn moron.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/wsjs-daniel-henninger-obamcare-is-the-hurricane-katrina-of-entitlements/

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2015, 06:36:58 PM

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The Federal Communications Commission will allow some cities and towns to set up and expand municipal Internet services, overruling state laws that had been put in place to block such efforts.

:obama

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 26, 2015, 09:15:57 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2015, 05:46:27 PM

Heninger is such a goddamn moron.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/captain-america-wont-save-us-1424910341?mod=hp_opinion (http://www.wsj.com/articles/captain-america-wont-save-us-1424910341?mod=hp_opinion)

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The task that Barack Obama is dumping on the next U.S. president, of either party, is overwhelming.

Here’s the job description: Needed, a U.S. president able to confront a world in chaos, rebuild shattered alliances, revive the country’s demoralized intelligence services and senior officer corps, manage foreign and domestic demands with a budget that will be drained for years by fantastically expensive debt servicing, and along the way restore public faith in an array of deeply politicized federal bureaucracies—Justice, HHS, EPA, Labor, Internal Revenue, the NLRB, FCC, EEOC, even the Federal Reserve.

The U.S. just tried electing a rookie president and had six years of amateur hour. It doesn’t work. And it won’t work again if the next president, whether rookie or former governor, shows up in the Oval Office in January 2017 with not much more than his victory cape and some political pals.

Obama saddling his successor with an impossible situation :neogaf

These Republicans live in an alternate reality.

I like the implication that it was Obama that cause this demoralization instead of you know missing a plan to fly planes into the twin towers and having a dweebish dude tell the world they are spying on most Americans and then escape to Russia among other embarrassments.  In fact their one public success story -- getting Osama -- was done under Obama. 

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 26, 2015, 09:41:24 PM

I'm unconvinced Americans even know the National Labor Relations Board exists, let alone to the extent required in order to have faith in the institution that is then lost because of Emperor Barack I.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 26, 2015, 10:08:48 PM

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In a 2006 interview, O'Reilly said, "They were throwing bricks and stones at us. Concrete was raining down on us. The cops saved our butts that time."

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"There were people putting out fires nearby," said McKeown. "And Bill showed up in his fancy car." McKeown said at one point, the driver of O'Reilly's personal car risked causing further offence by exiting the vehicle with a bottle of Windex and polishing the roof.

"The guy was watching us and getting more and more angry," said McKeown. "Bill was being Bill - complaining 'people are in my eye line' - and kind of being very insensitive to the situation." Kirkham said: "It was just so out of line. He starts barking commands about 'this isn't good enough for me', 'this isn't gonna work', 'who's in charge here?'"

The man shouted abuse at O'Reilly and the team, crew members said, and O'Reilly ordered him to shut up. He asked "don't you know who I am?'," according to two members of the team

"The guy lost it," said McKeown. Enraged, he is said to have leapt on to the team's flatbed trailer and kicked over a light, before throwing the piece of rubble, which smashed the camera and an autocue screen. Antin said he restrained the man. But O'Reilly then continued taunting him while a producer stood between them. "Come on, you wanna take me? I'll take you on," O'Reilly is said to have shouted at him.

The steady drip over the past week has been amazing. :heh

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2015, 10:53:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E0a_60PMR8

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 26, 2015, 10:54:52 PM

The smirk makes it.  Like 'O got them now'. 

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2015, 10:59:10 PM

I like the awkward lady staffer behind him.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 26, 2015, 11:02:52 PM

God I can't wait to emigrate from this place.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 26, 2015, 11:04:13 PM

Quote from: Vularai on February 26, 2015, 11:02:52 PM

God I can't wait to emigrate from this place.

Just move to Florida if you don't want snow.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2015, 11:38:19 PM

Quote from: Vularai on February 26, 2015, 11:02:52 PM

God I can't wait to emigrate from this place.

Bibi beckons you to the motherland.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2015, 12:09:13 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2015, 11:38:19 PM

Bibi beckons you to the motherland.

Isn't that with Father Mike said?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 27, 2015, 12:37:44 AM

Why move to Cuba when I can move to Cuba with socialized medicine and classic cars out the wazoo?

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2015, 12:41:07 AM

No internet according to Conan O'Brien.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 27, 2015, 12:54:16 AM

I think I speak for everyone at the Bore when I say that's a selling point for me.

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2015, 01:04:42 AM

But I need you.

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Nobody "likes" my posts as much.

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Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2015, 11:01:51 AM

http://www.zdnet.com/article/at-t-verizon-lash-out-at-fcc-after-net-neutrality-ruling/

Verizon/AT&T tears :aah :aah :aah

Title: Re: American Politics - NOW RECTALLY INFUSED WITH 8 ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND MINERALS!
Post by: Kara on February 27, 2015, 01:18:57 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 27, 2015, 01:04:42 AM

But I need you.

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Nobody "likes" my posts as much.

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Rational self-interest. Typical baka capitalist. :tsundere

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Outside of Ilf and Petrov, no one has made me consistently laugh on a purely intellectual level like you do.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 27, 2015, 06:56:46 PM

Boner can't get it up

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/faaaaaaaail

Shutdownpalooza II: Electric Boogaloo here we come!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on February 27, 2015, 07:08:57 PM

"a lawless president" :rofl

:piss Usono :piss2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on February 27, 2015, 07:11:33 PM

If the Republicans stay on message and keep hammering Obama like this they'll get their wish and he won't be president come January 2017.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2015, 07:56:41 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 27, 2015, 07:11:33 PM

If the Republicans stay on message and keep hammering Obama like this they'll get their wish and he won't be president come January 2017.

Speaking of staying on message...

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/duck-dynasty-phil-robertson-speech-cpac

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 27, 2015, 10:56:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/TXQZtyt.jpg)

CPAC 2015 has more than delivered so far.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Yeti on February 28, 2015, 12:57:05 AM

 :paul (http://i.imgur.com/9beHHXh.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 28, 2015, 01:00:05 AM

:flabbynsickamerica

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Trent Dole on February 28, 2015, 01:08:56 AM

:fnsusa

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 28, 2015, 07:18:11 PM

FEEL THE RANDMENTUM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-wins-2015-cpac-straw-poll

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on February 28, 2015, 07:33:29 PM

Will he swear in on the Tipitaka, or an Aqua EP? ???

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 01, 2015, 04:03:23 PM

No one will talk about this waste of resources in 100 years; outside certain circles people don't even talk about Wickard v. Filburn and that case is relevant to a host of these ACA ambulance chasing exercises.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2015, 05:57:14 PM

In 20 years, conservatives will denounce AP history for teaching about King vs. Burwell because it makes America look bad.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2015, 06:21:41 PM

TPM has really gone to shit in the past few months (ok, it's been going for longer than that, but that was just an absence of quality pieces; now we have to contend with ACTIVELY HORRIBLE SHIT clogging up the fucking site)

It's these awful "idea pieces" that have been cropping up. God they're shit.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/on-being-black-gay-celibate

DON'T CURRRRRRR

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/student-debt-crisis-a-strike-is-not-the-answer

This is a handwringing BS piece of the sort you'd expect Andrew Sullivan to write

Pour one out for your dead homie; TPM had a good run of being relevant.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 01, 2015, 06:46:54 PM

I'm probably butchering this, but it's an IWW slogan so the ansyns can :patel, but if striking wasn't the answer they wouldn't make it illegal.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2015, 10:18:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2015, 06:21:41 PM

TPM has really gone to shit in the past few months (ok, it's been going for longer than that, but that was just an absence of quality pieces; now we have to contend with ACTIVELY HORRIBLE SHIT clogging up the fucking site)

It's these awful "idea pieces" that have been cropping up. God they're shit.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/on-being-black-gay-celibate

DON'T CURRRRRRR

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/theslice/student-debt-crisis-a-strike-is-not-the-answer

This is a handwringing BS piece of the sort you'd expect Andrew Sullivan to write

Pour one out for your dead homie; TPM had a good run of being relevant.

Yeah, I can't read TPM these days. About the only Liberal wank I read anymore is Charles P. Pierce's blog on Esquire. Maybe drop by Dailykos and Balloon Juice once a week.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2015, 09:49:42 AM

Remember the time protesters went to Scott Walkers house and he wasn't there but his parents were and Scott Walker valiantly defended them by going on Fox News to complain about people being mean to his parents. Profiles in Courage shit right there. :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2015, 10:21:23 AM

TPM has been pretty boring ever since Brian Beutler left, but now it's straight up bad. I still visit daily because I like the editor posts, namely Josh Marshall's opinions on Israel/Bibi/etc. But I'm not really into the "5 reasons why x is in a bad spot" pieces that prop up. Also the liberal slant is more pronounced now. It's a liberal site I know, and I'm a liberal...but for instance they reported that Jeb Bush had a rough time at CPAC...whereas just about every other news site I read said he handled himself well, protests weren't as big as expected, etc.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 02, 2015, 10:40:43 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/R2DFwNr.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2015, 02:44:03 PM

Throw TPM in the bushes, brehs. Read Media Matters, Al Jazeera America, and Mother Jones instead.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 02, 2015, 03:35:58 PM

The mediaite comments section. :lawd Take your fauxnews.com commenters and Dailykos/TP commenters and put them together and watch the magic happen. :aah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2015, 04:27:59 PM

Mediaite's comments on their opinion pieces are even better. Because there's at least ten dudes who have a hardon hatred for the writer, no matter what they post about. And they'll make like 90 posts responding to every other comment talking about how the guy eats shit or something.

I just go to this and click through: http://www.memeorandum.com/

You get vital stories like this: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/03/02/dea-warns-of-stoned-rabbits-if-utah-passes-medical-marijuana/

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Utah is considering a bill that would allow patients with certain debilitating conditions to be treated with edible forms of marijuana. If the bill passes, the state's wildlife may "cultivate a taste" for the plant, lose their fear of humans, and basically be high all the time. That's according to testimony presented to a Utah Senate panel (time stamp 58:00) last week by an agent of the Drug Enforcement Administration.

"I deal in facts. I deal in science," said special agent Matt Fairbanks, who's been working in the state for a decade. He is member of the "marijuana eradication" team in Utah.

...

Fairbanks said that at some illegal marijuana grow sites he saw "rabbits that had cultivated a taste for the marijuana. ..." He continued: "One of them refused to leave us, and we took all the marijuana around him, but his natural instincts to run were somehow gone."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 02, 2015, 04:34:40 PM

Devil's lettuce indeed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 02, 2015, 04:58:01 PM

I only get my news from trusted publications: People's Daily, People's World, and People Magazine.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 02, 2015, 05:23:56 PM

looooooool :dead

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Supreme Court has turned away an appeal from same-sex marriage opponents in California who want to keep the identities of their campaign donors secret.

The justices on Monday let stand a lower court ruling against ProtectMarriage.com, the National Organization for Marriage and other supporters of a 2008 ballot initiative that outlawed same-sex marriages in California until the ban was overturned five years later.

The groups sought to conceal their past and future campaign finance records because they feared harassment of donors. The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against them in part because the names have been publicly available for five years.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2015, 06:41:53 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 02, 2015, 04:58:01 PM

I only get my news from trusted publications: People's Daily, People's World, and People Magazine.

I see a specific shall we say Revolutionary newspaper missing...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 02, 2015, 08:46:54 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 02, 2015, 06:41:53 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 02, 2015, 04:58:01 PM

I only get my news from trusted publications: People's Daily, People's World, and People Magazine.

I see a specific shall we say Revolutionary newspaper missing...

http://www.revcom.us/a/376/poem-from-a-reader-en.html

Revolution's website is straight up GeoCities. :dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 02, 2015, 09:19:26 PM

Anyone following this stupid Hilary story

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2015, 10:54:18 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 02, 2015, 09:19:26 PM

Anyone following this stupid Hilary story

Sounds serious. Not in terms of electoral consequences (she'll be fine) but in terms of being of being an abuse of government. It smells bad, government officials know they aren't supposed to do it - the fact that Hillary did it anyway, while also knowing she'd be running for president in a few years, strikes me as a problem. Either she didn't give a shit or the benefits outweighed the negative. I'd want to know what that benefit was.

Clinton cronyism.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 11:37:39 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2015, 10:54:18 AM

I'd want to know what that benefit was.

It makes FOIA more difficult. Look at the EPA case.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 11:40:36 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 03, 2015, 11:16:09 AM

but decent people wouldn't ... think of policy-making as a game.

Congress wishes to issue a protest.

Quote from: The Walrus on March 03, 2015, 11:29:14 AM

There was an Arkansas law that if read literally would repeal all statutes in the state. Where was the moral pontificating about holding administrations to the clear letter of the law then?

https://books.google.com/books?id=l4A0BVUeYHsC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=Arkansas+repeal+all+statutes+absurdity&source=bl&ots=B4IkrE0WOW&sig=t2033WW2hOPcSUzhKzJuApiAMxw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tOD1VJUfjOegBMJG&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Arkansas%20repeal%20all%20statutes%20absurdity&f=false (https://books.google.com/books?id=l4A0BVUeYHsC&pg=PA148&lpg=PA148&dq=Arkansas+repeal+all+statutes+absurdity&source=bl&ots=B4IkrE0WOW&sig=t2033WW2hOPcSUzhKzJuApiAMxw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=tOD1VJUfjOegBMJG&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Arkansas%20repeal%20all%20statutes%20absurdity&f=false)

Right, it didn't happen, because people were adults and not partisan hacks trying to advance a failed agenda through any means necessary.

Damn, missed opportunity.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 03, 2015, 11:48:30 AM

benji for governor of Arkansas. :rock

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:09:46 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 03, 2015, 12:07:45 PM

The plain text of the law has myriad instances in which FFEs are clearly referred to as exchanges established by the state. The plain text of the law says that if a state fails to establish its exchange by the deadline, the exact equivalent exchange is set up by the HHS.

The plain text of the law also seems to contradict itself if you go with the narrow definition of state exchange, and when that happens, we should settle on an interpretation that makes sense given the context of the law as a whole, which the plaintiffs' interpretation utterly fails at.

This is really going to get hung up on interpretation isn't it? At first I thought it was a bad joke.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2015, 12:10:46 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on March 03, 2015, 11:59:13 AM

If so, then why did they vote yes on it and why did the President sign it?

Because they were about to lose their 60 votes.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 12:12:10 PM

Reads the WSJ opinion page, argues with JayDubya.  Might be time for ol' Glen Shinobi to take an internet break.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:14:04 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 12:12:10 PM

Reads the WSJ opinion page, argues with JayDubya.  Might be time for ol' Glen Shinobi to take an internet break.

I have to agree and I sit firmly across party lines from most of you.

Look, this whole plan was never well thought out, executed, and pretty much was pushed through without a ton of review due to congressional seating changes. It's going to fail eventually, we can't afford it. However this isn't the way to go about it.

I guess I liken it to building a nice truck before they even approved a highway for it to drive on.

I'm just waiting for a president to adopt the House of Card's "Reform entitlements and eliminate social security" and actually mean it.

Honestly the math doesn't work in your favor here, we can't keep stuffing the cash drawer for this. I actually like the idea but the concept has always and will always be flawed. However that's another discussion.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 03, 2015, 12:30:23 PM

Is the purpose of law justice or order? If you believe it to be the former, then you cannot be a literalist. Unless of course you think things like multi-state simultaneous residency for income tax purposes (which is perfectly correct by the letter of the law) is just.

As someone unencumbered by logical thought and paid to generally poke holes in the dike built by society to shore up its own bullshit, I do appreciate legal literalism. My job would be exponentially less entertaining without it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:34:13 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 03, 2015, 12:30:23 PM

Is the purpose of law justice or order? If you believe it to be the former, then you cannot be a literalist. Unless of course you think things like multi-state simultaneous residency for income tax purposes (which is perfectly correct by the letter of the law) is just.

Sir I maintain a residence in Texas purely for the tex-mex and ancillary benefits of a warm climate. I assure you it has nothing to do with any type or form of taxation.

(They literally tell you to do this when you get to the professional level of sports)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 03, 2015, 12:36:50 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on March 03, 2015, 11:21:55 AM

I realize you "living document" tards like to pretend the Constitution is sooooo old and sooooo complicated that it needs to be "reinterpreted" (read: insert whatever the fuck you want and pretend it's been there the wholetime)

Is this not how the judicial branch has operated since day 1? (Sincere question)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 03, 2015, 12:36:58 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:34:13 PM

Sir I maintain a residence in Texas purely for the tex-mex and ancillary benefits of a warm climate. I assure you it has nothing to do with any type or form of taxation.

(They literally tell you to do this when you get to the professional level of sports)

Conversely, I'm fairly certain that I'll still be a resident for California income tax purposes 15 years after I'm dead.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:37:27 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 03, 2015, 12:36:58 PM

Conversely, I'm pretty sure that I'll still be a resident for California income tax purposes 15 years after I'm dead.

Now that's funny.   

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:38:20 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on March 03, 2015, 12:36:50 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on March 03, 2015, 11:21:55 AM

I realize you "living document" tards like to pretend the Constitution is sooooo old and sooooo complicated that it needs to be "reinterpreted" (read: insert whatever the fuck you want and pretend it's been there the wholetime)

Is this not how the judicial branch has operated since day 1? (Sincere question)

Nah, they operate according to who's party actually put them on the bench. This works up from the guys deciding how much to fine you for speeding up to the supreme court.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:42:02 PM

But moving on to a less stressful subject,

Which one of your democraps is going to tell me Israel is fucking over your party? Waiting for a 5000 word essay on that...oh wait GAF has that covered.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:47:41 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 03, 2015, 12:45:09 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on March 03, 2015, 11:52:36 AM

No thank you.  I'd rather continue pointing out why you're wrong.

You've been factually incorrect about multiple legal doctrines and don't seem to have a grasp of how policy is written or the fact that muddy text happens all the time.

You're more out of your depth here than I'd be trying to score a touchdown on AIA in his prime.

Applying interpretation to the written word is the job of our judicial system (and Valarai apparently), can't argue that. What I can say is that the person figuratively standing over them telling them how to do so is frightening.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2015, 12:49:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:42:02 PM

But moving on to a less stressful subject,

Which one of your democraps is going to tell me Israel is fucking over your party? Waiting for a 5000 word essay on that...oh wait GAF has that covered.

5,000 words? If they can't do that in one sentence, then they shouldn't be talking politics to begin with.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2015, 12:52:46 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on March 03, 2015, 11:59:13 AM

Fuck yes.  Although the very existence of a "healthcare.gov" is absolutely revolting.

A government-maintained store front used exclusively by for-profit corporations? Yeah, forget about wars and stuff, that's the REAL tragedy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:53:02 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2015, 12:49:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:42:02 PM

But moving on to a less stressful subject,

Which one of your democraps is going to tell me Israel is fucking over your party? Waiting for a 5000 word essay on that...oh wait GAF has that covered.

5,000 words? If they can't do that in one sentence, then they shouldn't be talking politics to begin with.

LOL, can't argue with that response.

Here's my personal take. Despite saying it's "Not about the politics" Netanyahu is clearly about the politics. Israel is banking on a conservative president next election and are putting all their cards on it.

He gave a great speech (minus the stupid clapping, so tasteless) and was clearly targeting American Jewish (who typically vote Liberal) during it.

I'm obviously not on your side here, but again, lately politics is more humorous then seinfield with the thinly veiled attacks and all. Our parents are all passive aggressive trolls aren't they?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:55:38 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 03, 2015, 12:54:55 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:47:41 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 03, 2015, 12:45:09 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on March 03, 2015, 11:52:36 AM

No thank you.  I'd rather continue pointing out why you're wrong.

You've been factually incorrect about multiple legal doctrines and don't seem to have a grasp of how policy is written or the fact that muddy text happens all the time.

You're more out of your depth here than I'd be trying to score a touchdown on AIA in his prime.

Applying interpretation to the written word is the job of our judicial system (and Valarai apparently), can't argue that. What I can say is that the person figuratively standing over them telling them how to do so is frightening.

All I'm saying is that if they want to be consistent with established legal doctrines, they should rule in favor of the administration.

Hmmmm, sounds a little dangerous don't you think?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 12:56:27 PM

I'm curious when the big break with the Israel Right and American Jews is coming?  The older generation is dying off and no one I know has anything but contempt for Netanyahu and folks like him.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:57:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 12:56:27 PM

I'm curious when the big break with the Israel Right and American Jews is coming?  The older generation is dying off and no one I know has anything but contempt for Netanyahu and folks like him.

I think this was a last ditch effort. But I concur, the relationship is soundly broken and both sides are to blame. One doesn't give a fuck and the other won't stop believing this is the 1960's.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 01:00:29 PM

It must be very weird for older Israeli politicians to know that the support for Israel in America no longer solidly from American Jews but a grab bag of Arab Haters and Christian Eschatologists.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 01:03:35 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 01:00:29 PM

It must be very weird for older Israeli politicians to know that the support for Israel in America no longer solidly from American Jews but a grab bag of Arab Haters and Christian Eschatologists.

I think as long as the money comes, they don't care who delivers the bag. I have an assorted amount of friends on both sides of the "line" and I grow tired of hearing the bullshit.

"Kids don't care"
"Why are we still aggressive?"
"Iran is full of devils"
"Iran should be dealt with by sanctions or negotiation"

Being in business has given me the pleasure/curse of dealing with high level offenders on both sides. I haven't seen anything this bad since the tear in our own country when Bush essentially smacked Iraq in a blind fury, and that wound still bleeds.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 03, 2015, 02:07:26 PM

Quote

This person has been murdered in the digital realm

:rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 02:09:04 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 03, 2015, 02:07:26 PM

Quote

This person has been murdered in the digital realm

:rejoice

Who got popped? Guess if it's me I'll never know :yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 02:17:40 PM

Digital hate crimes :(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 02:18:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 02:17:40 PM

Digital hate crimes :(

I don't think I've ever used an ignore function on GAF or here. Seems pretty silly.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 02:20:19 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 03, 2015, 02:19:04 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 01:00:29 PM

It must be very weird for older Israeli politicians to know that the support for Israel in America no longer solidly from American Jews but a grab bag of Arab Haters and Christian Eschatologists.

Like they didn't know where some of their bread was buttered in the first place.

(http://i.imgur.com/lOGIPk7.png)

It's been spread thick by god fearing southern conservatives since I was a small child. the enemy of my enemy is my homeboy and such.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 03, 2015, 02:44:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 03, 2015, 12:47:41 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 03, 2015, 12:45:09 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on March 03, 2015, 11:52:36 AM

No thank you.  I'd rather continue pointing out why you're wrong.

You've been factually incorrect about multiple legal doctrines and don't seem to have a grasp of how policy is written or the fact that muddy text happens all the time.

You're more out of your depth here than I'd be trying to score a touchdown on AIA in his prime.

Applying interpretation to the written word is the job of our judicial system (and Valarai apparently), can't argue that. What I can say is that the person figuratively standing over them telling them how to do so is frightening.

TBH if you want to be something more than the professional equivalent of a copy editor or a hall monitor in corporate tax you have to show someone who calls shots that you're willing to find aggressive positions for the client.

I don't really have a preference between those three options but I'm a novelty addict so I inadvertently stumble across legal realities that are logically impossible.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2015, 03:09:01 PM

BB was right about Iraq. We should trust what he says about Iran.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 03:29:56 AM

Don't worry, the government will go on imprisoning and killing millions, mostly minorities, for selling goods it doesn't want sold; torturing and bombing people who should have had "more responsible fathers" and not been of a certain age in certain countries at a certain time; engaged in full scale looting of the populace to support and prop up a public and private elite's lifestyle bubble hoping it doesn't pop; have a record of actual atrocities like internment and imprisoning people opposing slavery; mistreat millions because they want to make a living helping us; run a corrupt two tier justice system; and eventually implement nationalized health insurance, no matter how the Supreme Court rules in this case.

We'll be fine.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 04, 2015, 03:43:57 AM

We jumped the shark around 1861, went into syndication in the 1910s, and got resurrected on Netflix in the 1980s.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 03:59:32 AM

I thought 1861 was a great twist even though they had foreshadowed it for too long. And after 1865 it really went down hill and they never really resolved any of the plot threads to any satisfaction.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And I never saw them killing off one of the main characters like that!

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 07:55:50 AM

You guys are going to love this one, so I'll just leave it here:


http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/ben-carson-prisons-gay-choice/index.html


:snoop

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150304065332-01-ben-carson-0304-medium-169.jpg)

Headline should have said "How you get yourself eliminated before you ever had a chance, you homo"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 07:56:52 AM

http://info.umkc.edu/news/umkcs-stephanie-kelton-named-chief-economist/

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Stephanie Kelton, associate professor and chair of the Economics Department  at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, has been named the chief economist for the Democrats on the Senate Budget Committee in Washington. Each party has its own chief economist on the budget panel, which among other things oversees the Congressional Budget Office

“I’m delighted to have been asked to serve in this important position,” Kelton said. “As Chief Economist on the Democratic staff, I’ll be working with ranking member Sen. (Bernie) Sanders to secure a federal budget that expands Social Security, makes college more affordable and creates millions of jobs though much-needed investments in our nation’s infrastructure.”

Kelton has been at UMKC since 1999 and chair of the Economics Department since August 2012. Her research interests are modern monetary theory, employment policy, history of economic monetary thought, social security and European integration. Kelton assumed the new position on Jan. 5 and will be on a leave of absence from UMKC to work in Washington. Arrangements for her UMKC appointment are pending.

“We congratulate Stephanie on this appointment. It is indicative of the national and international significance of the work being done by Stephanie and her colleagues in our Economics department, and we wish her the best as she takes on this role,” said Wayne Vaught, Ph.D., dean, UMKC College of Arts and Sciences.

Kelton is a founder of the widely-read blog New Economic Perspectives, which is one of the leading voices for Modern Monetary Theory, also known as “The Kansas City Approach.” The blog states that the theory “builds on the work of Abba P. Lerner, John Maynard Keynes, Hyman P. Minsky, Wynne Godley and other important figures of the past. Above all, we are careful to provide analyses and policy recommendations that are applicable under a modern, fiat money system.”

The business news website MarketWatch reported: “Sanders has hired as minority chief economist one of the top proponents of Modern Monetary Theory, a post-Keynesian school of economics with some heretical views on the nature of money and the role of government finance.

“Stephanie Kelton is taking a leave of absence from the University of Missouri at Kansas City, where she chairs a department that has become a bastion of MMT, to supply some theoretical firepower for Sanders’ agenda on the committee … For Kelton and other MMT theorists, balanced budgets or budget surpluses can be harmful because they are necessarily balanced by deficits in the private sector. By the same token, government deficits are necessary and beneficial not only during downturns when they take up the slack from insufficient consumer demand but also in boom times because government deficit spending fuels a private-sector surplus.”

Guess I was scooped by Vox: http://www.vox.com/2015/1/10/7521819/sanders-mmt-kelton

Quote

Galbraith told me that when, on a panel for an April 2000 event at the White House, he argued that the US's new budget surplus would harm the economy, the hundreds of economists in attendance laughed in his face. That's all changed. The financial crisis created a huge appetite for new economic thinking, and MMT helped meet it. Now, people like Krugman are expected to at least grapple with its claims. Kelton's elevation to the budget committee is another important step in mainstreaming the theory, and making it safe for left-wing Democrats to embrace.

This is however all worth it for this awesome picture of Bernie Sanders:
(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/088nNmRsiVvBjYtPNQCRh7faKs4=/45x0:2958x1942/755x504/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45188180/459931838.0.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 08:00:08 AM

Meh, I still don't think paying a dude dropping fries 15.00 an hour solves anything. It also will eliminate the taco bell dollar menu. Against.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 04, 2015, 09:34:11 AM

http://www.vox.com/2015/3/2/8120063/american-democracy-doomed

Doomed! :noah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 09:52:06 AM

I bashed that on GAF the other (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154300340&postcount=837) day (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154304570&postcount=840). He's so historically ignorant that it's painful, he did literally no research and then wrote 5000+ words on who knows what because the first half of the piece seems to contradict the second half and both seem to contradict the conclusion.

My favorite part was the Japan loving. For supposedly being an example of an ideal system we constructed without the flaws he was whining about.

A system where business and government were entirely integrated with a single party running the nation for basically 60 years, and still had 43 Governments under 25 Prime Ministers.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/5cf1f603c7b2e2f7de072a6bbad4c40a.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Posting about posting about a Yglesias piece :snoop

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2015, 10:20:10 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 07:56:52 AM

This is however all worth it for this awesome picture of Bernie Sanders:
(https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/088nNmRsiVvBjYtPNQCRh7faKs4=/45x0:2958x1942/755x504/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/45188180/459931838.0.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/G375VtJ.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2015, 11:05:40 AM

At work today, I was told that Bibi's speech was one of the greatest speeches in American history. This person really hates Muslims, btw.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 11:08:13 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2015, 11:05:40 AM

At work today, I was told that Bibi's speech was one of the greatest speeches in American history. This person really hates Muslims, btw.

Taken on it's own it was a great speech. Unsure how you can debate that point.

The context though? Up to you to decide.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2015, 11:13:39 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 11:08:13 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2015, 11:05:40 AM

At work today, I was told that Bibi's speech was one of the greatest speeches in American history. This person really hates Muslims, btw.

Taken on it's own it was a great speech. Unsure how you can debate that point.

The context though? Up to you to decide.

He didn't  just say it was a great speech, he literally said it was one of the greatest speeches in American history.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 11:14:43 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2015, 11:13:39 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 11:08:13 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 04, 2015, 11:05:40 AM

At work today, I was told that Bibi's speech was one of the greatest speeches in American history. This person really hates Muslims, btw.

Taken on it's own it was a great speech. Unsure how you can debate that point.

The context though? Up to you to decide.

He didn't  just say it was a great speech, he literally said it was one of the greatest speeches in American history.

uh, then he's fucked. It was a great speech but by no means should it be considered anywhere near the level of I have a Dream or anything.

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Post by: Kara on March 04, 2015, 11:25:36 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 03:59:32 AM

I thought 1861 was a great twist even though they had foreshadowed it for too long. And after 1865 it really went down hill and they never really resolved any of the plot threads to any satisfaction.

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And I never saw them killing off one of the main characters like that!

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:dead

I read that Yglesias piece after the one analyzing the application of a comprehensive economic program from a TV show to irl.

This was my first, and last, time reading Vox.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2015, 11:28:01 AM

Uhh the 2000 surplus didn't harm the economy. A huge unpaid tax cut, two unpaid for wars, and Clinton era deregulation harmed the economy.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 11:51:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2015, 11:28:01 AM

Uhh the 2000 surplus didn't harm the economy.

Leaving aside the fact there was no surplus, MMT is based on an equation that says if there is a "surplus" in government, there's a "deficit" and thus recession in the economy. So if there's always government deficits, there's always a "surplus" in the economy and thus private savings.

This is it. This is the entire theory. No other factors matter except that (G - T) = (S - I) because the equation is literally and always true based on their definitions of these terms.

If you mow my lawn for $100 but say I can pay you in a year, MMT says the net is zero. Because your savings increased by $100 and mine fell by $100. Even though I got your labor and a year with the $100, you got an IOU which is "worth" $100.

If when you get that $100 you spend $50 of it and bury $50 in your backyard, you've invested $100 and saved zero dollars because that $100 still "exists" and everything has to zero out.

Somebody called it accounting masquerading as economics.

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This is better than most things ever in the world, Abba Lerner's attempt to set up price controls under his Chartalist proto-MMT:

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Initially he toyed with various administrative wage and price control policies, but he found those lacking and soon gave them up. He replaced them, first, with a tax based incomes policy and ultimately, a market based incomes policy in which property rights in prices are set and individuals have to buy the right to change prices from others who change their price in the opposite direction. It was this idea that formed the basis of our market anti inflation (MAP) book. (Lerner and Colander 1980) Under MAP, rights in value added prices would be tradable so that any firm wanting to change its nominal price would have to make a trade with another firm that wanted to change its nominal price in the opposite direction. Thus, by law, the average price level would be constant but relative prices would be free to change.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 12:29:15 PM

I like the "radio pundit" and such when it's a podcast with 500 followers. It does have compelling content though:

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Tonight we'll talk with Alan Jones of 1776 Channel news site, who today broke a story that revealed the stunning CIA-backed nexus between Hawaii's Health Director Dr. Alvin Onaka, Eleanor Nordyke (mother of twins born in Kapiolani Hospital the day before Obama was) and Stanley Ann Dunham. 

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 12:34:39 PM

Fair question though.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 12:38:49 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 04, 2015, 12:37:41 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 12:34:39 PM

Fair question though.

it's not really though lol, the characterization of our borders as 'open' is :what and vaccine fears are the reason to blame for resurgent diseases.

I was being sarcastic, sorry :yeshrug


And yet the anti-vaccine idiots are the root cause, of course.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM

Our borders are as open to Canada as they are to Mexico.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 12:46:50 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM

Our borders are as open to Canada as they are to Mexico.

That's strictly for the Horton's though   :lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 12:52:09 PM

I thought the one disease case was a group of Guatemalans.

Even Mexicans hate them.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2015, 01:10:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jennifer-rubin-rand-paul-clapping-netanyahu
:heh

Jennifer Rubin is legit one of the dumbest "serious" blogger/talking heads in media. Everyone should follow her. The spin she provided Romney and various other "serious" losing republican candidates in 2012 was hilarious.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/july-panic-for-obama--for-good-reason/2012/07/15/gJQARQFXmW_blog.html
:heh

That noted 100mil on advertising is the same 100mil that buried Romney, btw.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 04, 2015, 02:12:10 PM

Abba Lerner. :heh I've spent too long in the vanguard and forgotten how hilary market socialists can get.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 04, 2015, 02:17:42 PM

On the plus side, benji, we can be hipster economists now that Chartalism is going lamestream. :smug

:bow classical economics :bow2 it never goes out of style.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2015, 02:20:59 PM

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Michael Carvin, the attorney arguing on behalf of the plaintiffs in the King v. Burwell case, said this challenge is different because the argument against the law centers on a statute that was "written by white women and minorities."

Carvin's comments were published in a Wall Street Journal profile of him on Tuesday, a day before oral arguments began in the King v. Burwell lawsuit.

Carvin argued that the difference between this lawsuit and the one in 2012 is that unlike the 2012 challenge, the argument on Wednesday is on "a statute that was written three years ago, not by dead white men but by living white women and minorities."

"It hasn't had time to 'grow' or 'evolve,'" Carvin added, a jab that mocks terms liberals have used for constitutional doctrines that conservatives have argued aren't supported by the Constitution.

Carvin actually cited Atticus Finch of "To Kill A Mocking Bird" as an inspiration for his fight to overturn the law, according to the Journal profile. Finch was the lawyer who defended a black man who was charged with raping a white woman.

In an interview with TPM in September 2014, Carvin repeatedly suggested that it didn't matter what Obama-appointed judges thought of Obamacare.

"I don't know that four justices, who are needed to [take the case] here, are going to give much of a damn about what a bunch of Obama appointees on the D.C. Circuit think," Carvin said.

In the same interview, he added that he didn't expect to lose Republican-appointed judges in arguing against Obamacare.

"There's plenty of cases where [Supreme Court justices] take important issues even if there's no circuit split — like the gay marriage cases, they might take those," Carvin said. "If you've gone through that process and you don't really care what [the Obama-appointed judges] think — because I'm not going to lose any Republican-appointed judges' votes on the en banc — then I think the calculus would be, well let's take it now and get it resolved."

:heh

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 :kobeyuck

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 03:44:27 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 04, 2015, 02:21:17 PM

I don't follow Rubin. Megan McArdle is my hack of choice, although she does occasionally knock one out of the park. Peggy Noonan is another great one; it's like you took someone's Midwestern aunt who maybe finished a liberal arts degree back in the 70s, and tasked her with writing super serious foreign and domestic policy articles.

Other great hacks?

Edit: Carvin is such a tool. He's right: it was written in very recent memory. Which is why the question of "intent" is absurd, as there are hundreds of legislators and staffers who have unanimously told us what the intent was.

(http://abload.de/img/i7vaddsnxlunnz6oh0.gif)

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Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 04:26:41 PM

Megan McArdle is never topping her full blown panic blogging during the fall of 2008 when the banks were going down, she was making like fifteen entries a day coming close to swearing off her soft-libertarianism and embracing crony capitalism and nationalized banks.

Because, and this was her explicit argument after enough hysteria, her friends who worked on Wall Street might be losing their jobs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2015, 04:29:09 PM

She's a fucking toolshed. Any publication that employs her loses legitimacy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 04:30:35 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 04, 2015, 02:17:42 PM

On the plus side, benji, we can be hipster economists now that Chartalism is going lamestream. :smug

:bow classical economics :bow2 it never goes out of style.

I'm rebooting Physiocracy, maybe throw in some neo Marxist class struggle (but not too much class struggle, we wouldn't want to upset the capitalists) horseshit to polish off the edges and update it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 04, 2015, 05:15:08 PM

So you want to be David Ricardo? :trollbron

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Post by: Boogie on March 04, 2015, 06:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 12:46:50 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM

Our borders are as open to Canada as they are to Mexico.

That's strictly for the Horton's though   :lawd

Proper shortening is to just say "Tim's", or "Timmie's".  Nobody calls it "Horton's" lol :P

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: chronovore on March 04, 2015, 06:44:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2015, 09:52:06 AM

I bashed that on GAF the other (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154300340&postcount=837) day (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154304570&postcount=840). He's so historically ignorant that it's painful, he did literally no research and then wrote 5000+ words on who knows what because the first half of the piece seems to contradict the second half and both seem to contradict the conclusion.

My favorite part was the Japan loving. For supposedly being an example of an ideal system we constructed without the flaws he was whining about.

A system where business and government were entirely integrated with a single party running the nation for basically 60 years, and still had 43 Governments under 25 Prime Ministers.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/timeline/5cf1f603c7b2e2f7de072a6bbad4c40a.png)

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Posting about posting about a Yglesias piece :snoop

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‘Dat Prime Minister turnover...

 :lawd

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2015, 09:44:35 PM

I think people are reading too much into it. The last time the ACA was at the SC there were days where the challenger had good days, and days where the government had good ones; there were days where the government got riddled with questions and looked bad. Today was that day for Carvin. At one point Roberts made fun of him for losing the last ACA case he argued.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2015, 11:02:05 PM

Is that gif a welfare queen reference?
 :oreilly

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 08:02:39 AM

Quote from: Boogie on March 04, 2015, 06:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 12:46:50 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM

Our borders are as open to Canada as they are to Mexico.

That's strictly for the Horton's though   :lawd

Proper shortening is to just say "Tim's", or "Timmie's".  Nobody calls it "Horton's" lol :P

:yeshrug

Sorry I'm not up on my canadian acronyms.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 05, 2015, 12:15:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 07:55:50 AM

You guys are going to love this one, so I'll just leave it here:


http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/ben-carson-prisons-gay-choice/index.html


:snoop

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150304065332-01-ben-carson-0304-medium-169.jpg)

Headline should have said "How you get yourself eliminated before you ever had a chance, you homo"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/04/politics/ben-carson-prisons-gay-choice/index.html

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In a radio interview with Sean Hannity, Carson then said he won't be talking about gay rights anymore "because every time I'm gaining momentum, the liberal press says, let's talk about gay rights -- and I'm just not going to fall for that anymore."

Tricksy liberals, they have more gotcha questions up their sleeves, like voting rights and which side do you think should have won the Civil War.  :teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 12:16:17 PM

I mean good lord can he make us look any worse? Fuck.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 12:22:28 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 05, 2015, 12:20:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2015, 11:02:05 PM

Is that gif a welfare queen reference?
 :oreilly

Wrong thread breh, sorry. Was gonna post it in outside links.

Anyway Ben Carson is an accomplished guy for sure but seems politically naive and has a lot of gumption to just go ahead and run for president. Not even gonna shoot for the house or senate or something breh? You just gonna try and be president?  Ok...

The top of our food chain really thinks we need a counter to Obama and fumbled fucked on Carson. He has all the cash backing him in the world and none of the ability to actually get elected. Story of our party.

I would like to say, unabashedly, that if I ever am in a position to run for president I would never fucks with Fox news. Ever. 

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 12:34:03 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 05, 2015, 12:31:30 PM

You could be that dude, AIA.

Start with an Ohio state legislature seat, then a Congressional seat if one opens up, then boom.

Moderate Republican's don't sell yet my man. But maybe when I'm in my 50's we'll put down the bible and stop bashing homosexuals and start focusing on shit that matters...Money, Jobs, and infrastructure, or more specifically how to get the fed's hands off all three of these.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 05:05:14 PM

I knew reparations were coming under this President, just never even thought about doing it this way:

Quote from: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/kris-kobach-not-huge-jump-think-obama-could-ban-criminal-prosecution-black-people

Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, one of the chief architects of the anti-immigrant movement’s legal and legislative strategies, told a caller to his weekly radio program last week that while he thought it was “unlikely,” it would not be a “huge jump” to predict that the Obama administration could call an end to the prosecutions of African Americans for any crime. Claiming that “it’s already happened more or less in the case of civil rights laws,” Kobach told listeners that “I’ve learned to say with this president, never say never.”

Kobach was discussing the University of Minnesota’s decision to stop including race and other physical descriptions in email alerts of crimes on campus unless they have “sufficient detail that would help identify” a perpetrator, when a listener named Stu called in to share a theory.

“Given the situation in Minnesota, given the recent story that Obama was instructing immigration enforcement to not enforce the immigration laws against illegal aliens, I don’t think it’s too much of a stretch, Kris, to envision an announcement that any black person accused of a crime, charged with a crime, is not going to be prosecuted, regardless of the crime,” he said, adding that “we’ve already seen it from Eric Holder in his failure to prosecute the Black Panthers.”

Holder, Kobach agreed, “basically made it clear….that the civil rights laws were only to protect minority races, and he was not going to be enforcing them to the benefit of white people who were discriminated against on the basis of their race. So, that’s basically what you’ve described.”

“So the word is going to come down that there just won’t be any prosecutions of black criminals,” Stu predicted. “And I can see it happening. I don’t think I’m nuts for envisioning it.”

“Well, it’s already happened more or less in the case of civil rights laws,” Kobach responded. “So I guess it’s not a huge jump, I think it’s unlikely, but you know I’ve learned to say with this president, never say never.”

Kobach got national attention back in November when a caller presented the outlandish scenario that a Latino majority in the U.S. would embark on an “ethnic cleansing,” to which Kobach responded in a similar noncommittal way, saying that while he didn’t “think it’s going to happen in America,” under Obama “things are strange and they are happening.”

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Post by: Kara on March 05, 2015, 05:13:56 PM

I'm so glad y'all get a taste of border state lunacacs now; I always felt like we were being selfish in hoarding them.

:bow Emperor Barack I :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 05:29:23 PM

Here in Michigan we've always had a different type of border state lunacac.

And I'm proud to be one of them, those damned Canadian animals can hide among us! You have to get them to say certain words and the smart ones avoid it or have learned how to say it properly!

I just wish Michael Moore hadn't ruined his credibility by making all those satires after his documentary Canadian Bacon.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2015, 07:16:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 01:00:29 PM

It must be very weird for older Israeli politicians to know that the support for Israel in America no longer solidly from American Jews but a grab bag of Arab Haters and Christian Eschatologists.

It's 2015, man.  Head is head.   :yeshrug

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Post by: Steve Contra on March 05, 2015, 07:18:41 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2015, 07:16:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 01:00:29 PM

It must be very weird for older Israeli politicians to know that the support for Israel in America no longer solidly from American Jews but a grab bag of Arab Haters and Christian Eschatologists.

It's 2013, man.  Head is head.   :yeshrug

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1D9wWxd2w

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2015, 07:19:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 05, 2015, 08:02:39 AM

Quote from: Boogie on March 04, 2015, 06:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 04, 2015, 12:46:50 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 04, 2015, 12:40:12 PM

Our borders are as open to Canada as they are to Mexico.

That's strictly for the Horton's though   :lawd

Proper shortening is to just say "Tim's", or "Timmie's".  Nobody calls it "Horton's" lol :P

:yeshrug

Sorry I'm not up on my canadian acronyms.

Well now, that's what I'm here for.  :)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Boogie on March 05, 2015, 07:20:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2015, 07:16:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 01:00:29 PM

It must be very weird for older Israeli politicians to know that the support for Israel in America no longer solidly from American Jews but a grab bag of Arab Haters and Christian Eschatologists.

It's 2013, man.  Head is head.   :yeshrug

MANDARK!!!!!!!!!


 :tauntaun

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Post by: Kara on March 05, 2015, 07:21:31 PM

:bow Mandark with dat entrance. :bow2

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 05, 2015, 07:21:37 PM

he's back :noah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 07:29:09 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 05, 2015, 07:16:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 03, 2015, 01:00:29 PM

It must be very weird for older Israeli politicians to know that the support for Israel in America no longer solidly from American Jews but a grab bag of Arab Haters and Christian Eschatologists.

It's 2013, man.  Head is head.   :yeshrug

(http://i.imgur.com/d6u7qds.gif)

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Post by: Mandark on March 05, 2015, 07:36:58 PM

You guys.  :-[

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 05, 2015, 07:47:23 PM

Just in time! (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=42895.0)

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Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 11:40:29 PM

Modern media and the destructive representation of conservativism (http://"http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/234629-modern-media-and-the-destructive-representation-of")

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Although rightfully excoriated for his comments comparing public unions to ISIS, Gov. Scott Walker’s (R-Wis.) treatment by the media continues to highlight the gross disparity in the way with which conservative candidates are analyzed and represented, when compared to their liberal counterparts. Whereas Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.), Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Hillary Clinton are all hailed for their various policy proposals, as well as their personal and professional achievements, individuals like Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.), Gov. Chris Christie (R-N.J.) and Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) are ruthlessly assailed for every quip or comment, be they contextual or otherwise.

This was patently evident in 2008 as well as 2012, and will most assuredly be applicable once again in 2016. From tales of Mitt Romney’s elementary school bullying, to reports about Paul’s “Aqua Buddha” college days, the depths to which modern media apparatuses will dredge in order to invalidate a Republican’s candidacy, surpasses even those explored by the Trieste. This is highly problematic, as it only takes an anonymous comment, erroneous claim, or an unverified accusation, in order to destroy the legitimacy of a right leaning contender. This same approach however, would be understandable if it were equally applied to both sides of the political aisle, but seldom is that ever the case.

Each of the aforementioned Democratic heavyweights has more baggage than a gypsy caravan, but what few stories do make it to print regarding their issues are typically brief, excused, and quickly forgotten. It may not seem like much, but such a handicap with relation to past misdeeds or suspected skullduggery can (quite effectively and easily mind you), tilt and distort the public’s perception of a given individual. When this happens predominantly to GOP candidates, the hazards become quite clear.
Tea Partiers are dismissed outright, while socialist fringes on the left are never acknowledged nor addressed. Adjectives such as “wacko, crazy, radical, extremist, fundamentalist, and myopic” have become synonymous with the Republican Party, whilst Democrats are only reported to be pragmatic or “slightly more progressive”. Even thoroughly debunked claims have been routinely utilized to attack conservative hopefuls.

Two weeks before the Iowa caucus, former Texas Rep. Ron Paul (R) surged to a comfortable and timely lead, although immediately upon attaining said position; questions regarding racist newsletters bearing his name were suddenly raised. Given the nature of the accusations, such inquiries could have been viewed as reasonable, if only the articles hadn’t been penned some 25 years earlier, and discredited no fewer than 10 times since.

Unlike Paul however, the discourse surrounding New York Governor Andrew Cuomo, has already pivoted from questionable associations, to his plans for statewide reforms. This has all transpired less than two weeks after it was revealed that the speaker of the New York Assembly, Sheldon Silver, had been taking millions in bribes in exchange for various kickbacks. Cuomo, although not charged, had been accused of interfering with the Moreland Commission, a body he started (and eventually disbanded) in order to root out said instances of corruption.  Yet now, rather than looking deeper, journalistic lap dogs, content with warming the thighs of a high profile Democrat, have moved on to more important issues, like raising the state’s minimum wage.

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And yet the encumbrances placed upon conservatives by media outlets, extend far beyond refuting purported wrongdoing. Policy proposals are held against anecdotal sob stories and hyperbolic rhetoric, while missteps are often sufficient cause for the evisceration of not only the individual in question, but also all those with whom he or she is aligned. Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), in attempting to advance his plan for the economy was brutally denigrated because his agenda would “decimate the poor”, while Mitt Romney on the other hand was bewilderingly attacked for his “binders full of women” comment.

For Conservatives, it’s a no win situation, as the sins of one are often linked to distant cohorts in even the most tenuous manner available.  Todd Akin’s ignorant and inflammatory rhetoric regarding rape and pregnancy became a clamorous blunder that had media personalities demanding apologies from the likes of Reince Priebus in addition to other leading party figures. However, when house member Rep. Charlie Rangel (D-N.Y.) called Tea Partiers “white crackers”, and further emphasized how he only cared for life in war when the fallen looked like him, it’s was just business as usual; dumpster fires will burn and Rep. Shelia Jackson Lee (D-Texas) will say astonishingly idiotic things, nothing to see, no further comment.

Frustratingly, the list goes on and on and the resulting predicament is rightfully distressing; successful democracies are dependent upon the informed consent of the general electorate, and when balanced reporting is forsworn in favor of advancing a given ideology or individual, it threatens the body in entirety.

Without question, many in the media see conservatism as an ailment that hinders societal advancement, while viewing progressivism as the logical cure. The trouble only arises however, when journalists begin to act as the attending physician, practicing medicine on a patient who neither wants nor needs their assistance.   In doing so, we have arrived at place where relativist absolutes hang around the neck of contemporary Republican candidates like a tire filled with petrol. 

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Morris is a graduate student at the University of Oklahoma, and am pursuing a masters' in International Relations.

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Richard Vandiamondsworth • 3 hours ago
It's common knowledge 99% of the media work as propagandists for demmunists, not counting hollywood and government schools.

Real journalism is dead, yet Conservatives remain in denial. Instead of taking their message (when they have one) directly to the people, they stupidly allow their enemies to speak for them.

Until the Right accepts politics is not a gentlemen's duel but a street fight in an alley, they will lose.

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Jus'speakin'th'truth • 19 minutes ago
Cry me a freakin' river. The Republican party has 24/7/365 AM radio worldwide, it has Fox News (which Conservatives never stop bragging about its high viewership), it has billions of dollars in backing from the wealthiest men in the country, it has Drudge linking to the wide, wild world of wingnut websites.

And, after 2+ decades of accusing Hillary Clinton from everything from graft to lesbianism to murder to treason, I don't want to hear a single whine from any White Boy Tea-baggers...

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chasrmartin • an hour ago
Interestingly, you have a perfect example in your lede. You write:

Although rightfully excoriated for his comments comparing public unions to ISIS,

But what walker actually *said* was:

At the end of a long response to a question about the terrorist group, Walker said, “If I can take on 100,000 protesters, I can do the same across the globe.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/02/scott_walker_didn_t_compare_unions_to_isis_he_just_said_something_foolish.html

No mention of ISIS.

Either this was a very subtle joke, or a correction might be warranted.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 05, 2015, 11:43:16 PM

I read Trieste and thought of the city because Joyce, Svevo, and World War II occupation zones :piss on people who say gypsy in formal polemics.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 11:47:58 PM

That whole sentence tho  :lol

also, he's certainly got the graduate student comma problem

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 06, 2015, 09:04:04 AM

That Hill article
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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 06, 2015, 10:05:12 AM

295k jobs in February, unemployment is 5.5 percent:

http://thehill.com/policy/finance/234835-economy-adds-295k-jobs-in-february

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 06, 2015, 12:03:02 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2015, 11:47:58 PM

That whole sentence tho  :lol

also, he's certainly got the graduate student comma problem

From tales of Mitt Romney’s elementary school bullying, to reports about Paul’s “Aqua Buddha” college days, the depths to which modern media apparatuses will dredge in order to invalidate a Republican’s candidacy, surpasses even those explored by the Trieste.

DELETE DOTA MS WORD NUB

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 06, 2015, 04:59:41 PM

This is funny because it's true

(https://highpriestesskang.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/waswas.jpg)

Please  pardon the interruption.

:hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Broseidon on March 06, 2015, 05:18:41 PM

:cryinghekmatyar:

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 06, 2015, 05:21:36 PM

blah blah Beirut barracks bombing blah blah retreat from Lebanon blah blah

I don't really mind the Reagan worship at this point (outside of trying to rename everything after him).  To my bleeding heart sensibilities it's way better than the borderline low-key blatantly racist stuff about Muslims/immigrants/dead black teens that I keep needing to weed out of my FB feed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 06, 2015, 05:50:35 PM

The Rashidun couldn't even handle the Khawarij and ain't no boxers changing their name to Ronald.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 06, 2015, 06:03:18 PM

Please, Kara, allow me to point out that the world's greatest footballer is...

(http://static.dnaindia.com/sites/default/files/2015/01/14/301718-cristiano-ronaldo.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2015, 12:13:48 AM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/glenn-beck-ben-carsons-prison-sex-comment-the-dumbest-thing-ive-ever-heard/
when you've lost Glenn you've lost the nation

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2015, 10:55:50 AM

Carson has no intention of winning "the nation," just the section of the nation that will buy his books and pay him in stacks of money for speaking engagements after his run for President inevitably flames out in the same manner as his predecessors.

In other words, grifters gotta grift.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2015, 02:42:52 PM

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In what could be a prelude to a Presidential run in 2016, on Friday Joe Biden released to the public both e-mails that he has written while serving as Vice-President for the past six years.

Biden took pride in announcing that he had sent both messages from his official government e-mail address, adding, “I have nothing to hide.”

Minutes after the e-mails were released, the media pored over the treasure trove of materials, which offer a fascinating behind-the-scenes glimpse into Biden’s tenure as Vice-President.

The first e-mail, written to President Obama in December of 2009, asks about the time and place of the White House holiday party.

The second and last e-mail, written in May of last year, asks the President, “Is our Internet slow today? I’m trying to watch something,” followed by a frowny-face emoticon.

According to Biden’s records, the President did not respond to either e-mail.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: helios on March 07, 2015, 03:24:15 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2015, 02:42:52 PM

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In what could be a prelude to a Presidential run in 2016, on Friday Joe Biden released to the public both e-mails that he has written while serving as Vice-President for the past six years.

Biden took pride in announcing that he had sent both messages from his official government e-mail address, adding, “I have nothing to hide.”

Minutes after the e-mails were released, the media pored over the treasure trove of materials, which offer a fascinating behind-the-scenes glimpse into Biden’s tenure as Vice-President.

The first e-mail, written to President Obama in December of 2009, asks about the time and place of the White House holiday party.

The second and last e-mail, written in May of last year, asks the President, “Is our Internet slow today? I’m trying to watch something,” followed by a frowny-face emoticon.

According to Biden’s records, the President did not respond to either e-mail.

Biden tryin to watch some porn

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Oblivion on March 07, 2015, 03:34:33 PM

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARK!

 :o

Glad to see you're still kickin'.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2015, 03:47:27 PM

Obama going in hard at Selma
:whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2015, 11:36:30 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-07/jeb-bush-confronted-by-dreamer-compares-obama-orders-to-decrees-of-latin-american-dictator-

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During a private event on Saturday in Iowa, the former Florida governor was asked, in Spanish, about President Barack Obama's executive actions; in Spanish, he explained that he supported a path to citizenship for "DREAMers" but that it should be created by law rather than by decree, "because that's like a Latin American dictator."

Oh Jeb, you want to be president so bad. :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2015, 02:09:17 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2015, 02:42:52 PM

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In what could be a prelude to a Presidential run in 2016, on Friday Joe Biden released to the public both e-mails that he has written while serving as Vice-President for the past six years.

Biden took pride in announcing that he had sent both messages from his official government e-mail address, adding, “I have nothing to hide.”

Minutes after the e-mails were released, the media pored over the treasure trove of materials, which offer a fascinating behind-the-scenes glimpse into Biden’s tenure as Vice-President.

The first e-mail, written to President Obama in December of 2009, asks about the time and place of the White House holiday party.

The second and last e-mail, written in May of last year, asks the President, “Is our Internet slow today? I’m trying to watch something,” followed by a frowny-face emoticon.

According to Biden’s records, the President did not respond to either e-mail.

Also unanswered was his asking if he could wash his trans-am in the drive-way.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2015, 02:59:21 PM

Makes sense. He handles all communication through Grindr DMs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 08, 2015, 07:05:48 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

Imma comin' Bibi, wait for me.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 08, 2015, 08:24:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

Insult your elders because they handle shit like real men brehs.

Hurry up and send me a defensive email.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 09:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 08, 2015, 08:24:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

Insult your elders because they handle shit like real men brehs.

Just because you're old doesn't mean you deserve any respect.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 08, 2015, 10:27:11 PM

I probably wouldn't show Eugene Debs respect and he didn't vote for DOMA or abet state torture.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2015, 10:37:53 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 08, 2015, 10:27:11 PM

I probably wouldn't show Eugene Debs respect and he didn't vote for DOMA or abet state torture.

OTOH, just think about spending the weekend at Graham's immaculately furnished antebellum home, while he handles you like a real man.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: davepoobond on March 09, 2015, 05:08:04 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

i do declare, that is quite hilarious.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Boogie on March 09, 2015, 07:15:03 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 08, 2015, 08:24:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

Insult your elders because they handle shit like real men brehs.

Hurry up and send me a defensive email.

Yeah, these are the sort of people we want ruling on things like net neutrality.  :P

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 09:02:12 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 09:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 08, 2015, 08:24:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

Insult your elders because they handle shit like real men brehs.

Just because you're old doesn't mean you deserve any respect.

Correct but to disrespect a guy who doesn't use email is a petty infantile extremely uppity democratic response. Consider me shocked.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2015, 09:12:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 09:02:12 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 09:15:47 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 08, 2015, 08:24:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 08, 2015, 02:57:20 PM

Not satire, but real life:

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Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) revealed on Sunday that he has never sent an email.

"I don't email," Graham said on NBC's "Meet the Press." "You can have every email I've ever sent. I've never sent one."

Insult your elders because they handle shit like real men brehs.

Just because you're old doesn't mean you deserve any respect.

Correct but to disrespect a guy who doesn't use email is a petty infantile extremely uppity democratic response. Consider me shocked.

:badass

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 09, 2015, 09:52:59 AM

It's as if there are monied interests that have a stake in nothing being done. Why else would these people get put in these positions?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 09:53:45 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 09, 2015, 09:52:59 AM

It's as if there are monied interests that have a stake in nothing being done. Why else would these people get put in these positions?

You glad hand your constituents, duh.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2015, 11:45:35 AM

Meh.  This isn't making fun of some octogenarian for not understanding hashtags.  Email's been pretty widespread going on two decades now, and Graham's not yet sixty years old.  I'd be surprised to learn a county councilman his age hadn't ever used email, much less a US senator.  I'm guessing it's less about handling his business like a real man* and more about having a paid staff that handles all his communication for him.

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*Putting Lindsey Graham and "real man" in the same post is an obvious bait to draw out heteronormative snark and I'm not biting, dammit.  Also weird to see AIA demanding people show deference to a dude who's only ever worked for the government.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 11:52:58 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 09, 2015, 11:45:35 AM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*Putting Lindsey Graham and "real man" in the same post is an obvious bait to draw out heteronormative snark and I'm not biting, dammit.  Also weird to see AIA demanding people show deference to a dude who's only ever worked for the government.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2015, 12:35:44 PM

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After a marathon town-hall meeting in Concord's Snow Shoe Lodge, the Republican held a gaggle with reporters, and Fox News lobbed a question about the e-mail. Graham repeated himself: He did not use e-mail. He preferred to talk on the phone.

"The next president of the United States needs to be good with people, not just technology," he said.

After that exchange, Graham responded to a question about Clinton with a joke: "If she could do it again, she'd do the Lindsey Graham thing, and not use e-mail." As he headed to his car, I asked Graham to explain his communication methods, a subject that truly baffled a press corps that walks around with smartphones welded to hands.

"What I do, basically, is that I've got iPads, and I play around," Graham explained. "But I don't e-mail. I've tried not to have a system where I can just say the first dumb thing that comes to my mind. I've always been concerned. I can get texts, and I call you back, if I want. I get a text, and I respond not by sending you a text, but calling you if I think what you asked is worthy enough for me calling you. I'm not being arrogant, but I'm trying to jealously guard myself in terms of being able to think through problems and not engage in chat all day. I've had a chance to kind of carve out some time for myself not responding to every 15-second crisis."

George Pataki better watch out, Graham is probably going to be right on his tail with the voters now.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 09, 2015, 12:43:04 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 09, 2015, 09:52:59 AM

It's as if there are monied interests that have a stake in nothing being done. Why else would these people get put in these positions?

It's a country of morons who elect morons

:hans1 or :expert? The decision is clear.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 09, 2015, 12:43:04 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 09, 2015, 09:52:59 AM

It's as if there are monied interests that have a stake in nothing being done. Why else would these people get put in these positions?

It's a country of morons who elect morons

:hans1 or :expert? The decision is clear.

It's a little deeper than that, pally. I, for one, don't really want the government regulating my interwebs. I mean I must be going crazy though, right? With how well they have handled healthcare and our aging infrastructure you'd think I'd be right in line with the masses.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 09, 2015, 12:55:44 PM

It's like Republicans don't realize just how much the government invested in creating the internet in the first place.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 12:58:54 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 09, 2015, 12:55:44 PM

It's like Republicans don't realize just how much the government invested in creating the internet in the first place.

/AL Gore

Yes we understand the military was the first primary user. I mean some of us actually paid attention in school.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2015, 01:00:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

With how well they have handled healthcare and our aging infrastructure you'd think I'd be right in line with the masses.

When you put people in charge of running the government who actively want it to fail in order to prove a point about government, then, well, you're going to get that sort of thing.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 01:01:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2015, 01:00:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

With how well they have handled healthcare and our aging infrastructure you'd think I'd be right in line with the masses.

When you put people in charge of running the government who actively want it to fail in order to prove a point about government, then, well, you're going to get that sort of thing.

Don't look at me. I wrote in a vote for Porky Pig last election. Seriously.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 09, 2015, 04:55:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 09, 2015, 12:52:08 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 09, 2015, 12:43:04 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 09, 2015, 09:52:59 AM

It's as if there are monied interests that have a stake in nothing being done. Why else would these people get put in these positions?

It's a country of morons who elect morons

:hans1 or :expert? The decision is clear.

It's a little deeper than that, pally. I, for one, don't really want the government regulating my interwebs. I mean I must be going crazy though, right? With how well they have handled healthcare and our aging infrastructure you'd think I'd be right in line with the masses.

(http://i1215.photobucket.com/albums/cc515/chicitylepio/close20door.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2015, 07:40:38 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/republican-letter-iran-obama

Forty-seven Republican senators signed an open letter to Iran's leaders warning that a potential nuclear deal won't outlast Barack Obama's presidency, hinting that Congress does not intend to honor it.

The letter, led by freshman Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and first reported by Bloomberg View, comes at a highly sensitive time as the Obama administration is reportedly closing in on an agreement to lift economic sanctions on Iran in exchange for halting its nuclear program for as many as 15 years.

"It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system," the Republican senators wrote. "First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. ... Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement."

(The senators erred in their description of how treaties work. As Harvard professor Jack Goldsmith pointed out, the Senate does play a key role in voting on and consenting to a treaty, but it is the president who negotiates and formally "ratifies" it, as the Congressional Research Service has explained.)

"President Obama will leave office in January 2017," they continued, adding that they "will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time."

The signatories to the letter include three potential Republican presidential candidates — Sens. Rand Paul (KY), Ted Cruz (TX) and Marco Rubio (FL) — and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (KY).

 :foxx

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 09, 2015, 07:44:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2015, 07:40:38 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/republican-letter-iran-obama

Forty-seven Republican senators signed an open letter to Iran's leaders warning that a potential nuclear deal won't outlast Barack Obama's presidency, hinting that Congress does not intend to honor it.

The letter, led by freshman Sen. Tom Cotton (R-AR) and first reported by Bloomberg View, comes at a highly sensitive time as the Obama administration is reportedly closing in on an agreement to lift economic sanctions on Iran in exchange for halting its nuclear program for as many as 15 years.

"It has come to our attention while observing your nuclear negotiations with our government that you may not fully understand our constitutional system," the Republican senators wrote. "First, under our Constitution, while the president negotiates international agreements, Congress plays the significant role of ratifying them. In the case of a treaty, the Senate must ratify it by a two-thirds vote. ... Anything not approved by Congress is a mere executive agreement."

(The senators erred in their description of how treaties work. As Harvard professor Jack Goldsmith pointed out, the Senate does play a key role in voting on and consenting to a treaty, but it is the president who negotiates and formally "ratifies" it, as the Congressional Research Service has explained.)

"President Obama will leave office in January 2017," they continued, adding that they "will consider any agreement regarding your nuclear-weapons program that is not approved by the Congress as nothing more than an executive agreement between President Obama and Ayatollah Khamenei. The next president could revoke such an executive agreement with the stroke of a pen and future Congresses could modify the terms of the agreement at any time."

The signatories to the letter include three potential Republican presidential candidates — Sens. Rand Paul (KY), Ted Cruz (TX) and Marco Rubio (FL) — and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (KY).

 :foxx

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On an international level.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2015, 07:50:33 PM

Sabotage a potential deal with Iran so you can start another war in the Middle East, brehs.

Quote

“In our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy,” Javad Zarif, the Iranian foreign minister, said. “It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history.”

:lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 09, 2015, 09:33:19 PM

(Americanized) Iranian politicians talking more sense than prominent members of the majority party in both chambers?

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 11:13:42 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 09, 2015, 07:50:33 PM

Sabotage a potential deal with Iran so you can start another war in the Middle East, brehs.

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“In our view, this letter has no legal value and is mostly a propaganda ploy,” Javad Zarif, the Iranian foreign minister, said. “It is very interesting that while negotiations are still in progress and while no agreement has been reached, some political pressure groups are so afraid even of the prospect of an agreement that they resort to unconventional methods, unprecedented in diplomatic history.”

:lol

(http://i.imgur.com/NeMQpNW.gif)

We need to learn our lesson from North Korea. You can't keep giving the local bully your lunch money or he'll keep taking it.

(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/03/04/multimedia/skorea-ambassador-clip1/skorea-ambassador-clip1-videoSixteenByNine540.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 12:09:37 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 10, 2015, 12:06:41 PM

Interesting NYT article about how Hillary could lose the general election:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/upshot/hillary-clinton-is-more-vulnerable-in-2016-than-you-think.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/10/upshot/hillary-clinton-is-more-vulnerable-in-2016-than-you-think.html?abt=0002&abg=1&_r=0)

I don't see it. The Republican path to 270 is too daunting. They'd need someone really inspiring to take some of those swing states. Jeb isn't it, and Walker definitely isn't it.

Although I do like Jeb he isn't strong enough to carry his father and big brother's baggage to a win. Walker is just meh.....we're 8 years out from the people who are actually able to compete being eligible.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 10, 2015, 01:13:19 PM

The ether :lawd

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/03/10/gop-2007-attacks-pelosi-interfering-bushs-syria-policy-v-todays-similar-dem-attacks-iran/

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The New York Post concluded its scathing editorial attack on Pelosi’s trip, entitled “Nancy’s Nonsense,” by declaring: “Negotiating with world leaders – particularly those at odds with the United States – should be left to the president, or those authorized by him to do so.” USA Today headlined its editorial “Pelosi Steps Out of Bounds,” arguing that “she violated a long-held understanding that the United States should speak with one official voice abroad — even if the country is deeply divided on foreign policy back home,” and accused the Speaker of knowingly undermining Bush’s right to run U.S. foreign policy:

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Dick Cheney called Pelosi’s trip “bad behavior” and said in an interview with Rush Limbaugh: “The president is the one who conducts foreign policy, not the speaker of the House.” Writing in National Review, then-Minority Whip Eric Cantor complained that “Mrs. Pelosi usurped the executive branch’s time-honored foreign-policy authority”; “at such a critical moment in the volatile Middle East,” he inveighed, “this is no time for the United States to be sending out mixed signals to our enemies.” The right-wing extremist Congressman Steve King actually introduced legislation to bar Pelosi from traveling to “terrorist states,” arguing:

    The Speaker of the House is not the President of the United States. Nancy Pelosi does not represent the Administration. In fact, her policy positions seek to contravene the foreign policy of the United States. Nancy Pelosi, by defying the specific request of the administration to refrain from traveling to Syria, blatantly infringed upon the Constitutional duties of the President. Additionally, I believe her trip was the most blatant violation of the Logan Act by a top elected official in the history of our country. . . . Nancy Pelosi thinks it’s her job to conduct foreign policy in defiance of the President. She is wrong on the Constitution and wrong on the law.

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National Review‘s Andrew McCarthy pronounced that “there isn’t much question that Speaker Pelosi has committed a felony violation of the Logan Act,” and that “it is settled beyond peradventure that the authority of the United States over the conduct of foreign relations rests exclusively with the executive branch.”

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The Washington Post editorial page viciously attacked Pelosi’s trip, arguing that “Ms. Pelosi’s attempt to establish a shadow presidency is not only counterproductive, it is foolish”; the Editors added that the Speaker offered “an excellent demonstration yesterday of why members of Congress should not attempt to supplant the secretary of state” and that “the really striking development here is the attempt by a Democratic congressional leader to substitute her own foreign policy for that of a sitting Republican president.”

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Still, the reason I so vividly remember the 2007 controversy over the Pelosi trip is because it was part of this constant Bush-era effort to demand that the President was the sole authority on foreign policy, and that attempts by members of Congress to “interfere” with his actions were illegitimate, possibly illegal, and likely treasonous, because few things are worse than, as Joe Lieberman put it, undermining the Commander-in-Chief (and just by the way, if you’re a citizen who is not in the military, the President is not your “Commander-in-Chief”).

If only dums were so pompous and vulgar. :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 10, 2015, 03:56:15 PM

When I read "Senate Republicans, obsessed as always with carrying out the agenda of the Israeli government and leading the U.S. into more militarism and war,..." I kept waiting for a J/K that never came.  :-\

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 10, 2015, 03:58:17 PM

The joke is on the American taxpayer.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2015, 04:41:16 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 10, 2015, 11:13:42 AM

We need to learn our lesson from North Korea. You can't keep giving the local bully your lunch money or he'll keep taking it.

What do you mean by that?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 10, 2015, 05:10:13 PM

He means that if we keep giving Israel carte blanche to do whatever they want...wait that says North Korea?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 10, 2015, 05:16:26 PM

He means that Iran will cut us in the face if we keep letting Ronald Reagan sell them missiles.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 10, 2015, 05:49:04 PM

Negotiating with the DPRK (a pariah state) didn't work, ergo it won't work with the IRI, also a pariah state.

What this fails to account for however is that one of these countries has an increasingly embarrassed superpower as a patron while the other has, at best, soft cooperation from patron states and is itself somehow a patron.

There's also the fact that one is a pariah because it's a pariah and the other is a pariah because the U.S. is now more :umad at them about shit no1curr about from decades ago than it is :umad at Cuba, which is pretty impressive when you think about it.

I'm also brushing past a bunch of other things but dis shit already tl;dr.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 12:16:03 AM

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 11, 2015, 12:27:57 AM

ignoring the fact that American political support of an Israeli state is a direct result of the Holocaust, I'm sure Cotton et al. would've deftly navigated the Third Riech's concept of lebensraum and Judenrein, leading to a mitigation of casualties along the Ostfront

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 11, 2015, 01:19:17 AM

He seems awfully Shoah that.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2015, 02:42:52 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 11, 2015, 01:19:17 AM

He seems awfully Shoah that.

Boooooo...  *slow clap*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Boogie on March 11, 2015, 07:23:31 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 12:16:03 AM

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Yes, because as we all remember, in the 30s and 40s, Republicans in Congress were eager and pushing to get involved and join the fight to stop Hitler, but were foiled at every turn by that unrepentant isolationist, Franklin Roosevelt.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2015, 08:29:41 AM

Tom Cotton would have sent a letter to Hilter that would have blown his socks off.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2015, 08:51:19 AM

Quote from: Boogie on March 11, 2015, 07:23:31 AM

Yes, because as we all remember, in the 30s and 40s, Republicans in Congress were eager and pushing to get involved and join the fight to stop Hitler, but were foiled at every turn by that unrepentant isolationist, Franklin Roosevelt.

This is your fault you know, Steven Crowder was raised in Canada and is a Canadian citizen. (Lists his birthplace as Detroit, but was actually...surprise! Grosse Pointe.)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 08:56:04 AM

Quote from: Boogie on March 11, 2015, 07:23:31 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 12:16:03 AM

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Yes, because as we all remember, in the 30s and 40s, Republicans in Congress were eager and pushing to get involved and join the fight to stop Hitler, but were foiled at every turn by that unrepentant isolationist, Franklin Roosevelt.

Or we could point out less than 30% of all democrats voted to abolish slavery compared to 100% of the republicans. Just sayin' we all can cherry pick irrelevant data from a long time ago.


http://tfdf.org/blog/2012/08/30/the-democrat-party-vs-the-republican-party-who-is-the-true-champion-of-the-ending-slavery-the-civil-rights-movement-and-the-black-community/


You all might forget to remember you were the biggest slaver backer out there, them democrats supporting segregation.

:yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2015, 09:15:21 AM

Slavery has never been abolished in the United States.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2015, 09:17:32 AM

And I'd argue the 13th Amendment was ratified under duress by the occupied states.

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Of course I would.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 09:19:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 11, 2015, 09:15:21 AM

Slavery has never been abolished in the United States.

Thanks democrats.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 09:26:43 AM

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on March 11, 2015, 09:23:45 AM

A_I_A is approaching GOAT Bore heel status.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 11, 2015, 09:48:04 AM

Pointing out material reality isn't cherry picking. Even if the Fightin' 47 were sincere friends of the Jewish people (and to be blunt, I don't buy that for one minute; look at the language that Tweeter uses), if they were thrust back in time to the 30s, they would be representing an American people who were explicitly anti-Semitic across swathes of society irrespective of political alignment for the most part, and if there's one thing a national politician is, it's someone willing to say anything to the folks back home to get reelected.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 09:50:04 AM

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2015, 10:10:53 AM

I found this to be a really fascinating read about soldiers who were deployed to the mid-east who, dissatisfied with working shit desk jobs in the US, have gone back to fight ISIS on a volunteer basis

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/12/us/disenchanted-by-civilian-life-veterans-volunteer-to-fight-isis.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytimes

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Boogie on March 11, 2015, 10:20:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 08:56:04 AM

Quote from: Boogie on March 11, 2015, 07:23:31 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 12:16:03 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/FGeGwWo.png)

Yes, because as we all remember, in the 30s and 40s, Republicans in Congress were eager and pushing to get involved and join the fight to stop Hitler, but were foiled at every turn by that unrepentant isolationist, Franklin Roosevelt.

Or we could point out less than 30% of all democrats voted to abolish slavery compared to 100% of the republicans. Just sayin' we all can cherry pick irrelevant data from a long time ago.


http://tfdf.org/blog/2012/08/30/the-democrat-party-vs-the-republican-party-who-is-the-true-champion-of-the-ending-slavery-the-civil-rights-movement-and-the-black-community/


You all might forget to remember you were the biggest slaver backer out there, them democrats supporting segregation.

:yeshrug

1). What does the abolishment of slavery have to do with Hitler or foreign policy?   ???

2) "You were the biggest slaver backer out there".  "You" who?  Canadian, remember :P

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 10:21:06 AM

Quote from: Boogie on March 11, 2015, 10:20:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 08:56:04 AM

Quote from: Boogie on March 11, 2015, 07:23:31 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 12:16:03 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/FGeGwWo.png)

Yes, because as we all remember, in the 30s and 40s, Republicans in Congress were eager and pushing to get involved and join the fight to stop Hitler, but were foiled at every turn by that unrepentant isolationist, Franklin Roosevelt.

Or we could point out less than 30% of all democrats voted to abolish slavery compared to 100% of the republicans. Just sayin' we all can cherry pick irrelevant data from a long time ago.


http://tfdf.org/blog/2012/08/30/the-democrat-party-vs-the-republican-party-who-is-the-true-champion-of-the-ending-slavery-the-civil-rights-movement-and-the-black-community/


You all might forget to remember you were the biggest slaver backer out there, them democrats supporting segregation.

:yeshrug

1). What does the abolishment of slavery have to do with Hitler or foreign policy?   ???

2) "You were the biggest slaver backer out there".  "You" who?  Canadian, remember :P

Damn British sympathizers.  :ufup

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 10:24:09 AM

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on March 11, 2015, 10:22:51 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 09:50:04 AM

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Quote a character who's supposed to be a shitbag politician unironically, brehs

He's still the boss :rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2015, 10:48:30 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 10:24:09 AM

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on March 11, 2015, 10:22:51 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 09:50:04 AM

(http://media0.giphy.com/media/so1Yws3vhrRgQ/200_s.gif)

Quote a character who's supposed to be a shitbag politician unironically, brehs

He's still the boss :rejoice

Then why can't he just deploy Atlas Corporation forces to wipe out ISIS?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 10:49:52 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2015, 10:48:30 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 10:24:09 AM

Quote from: Death Ghidorah on March 11, 2015, 10:22:51 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 09:50:04 AM

(http://media0.giphy.com/media/so1Yws3vhrRgQ/200_s.gif)

Quote a character who's supposed to be a shitbag politician unironically, brehs

He's still the boss :rejoice

Then why can't he just deploy Atlas Corporation forces to wipe out ISIS?

Thanks Democrats

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 11, 2015, 11:55:25 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 11, 2015, 09:48:04 AM

Pointing out material reality isn't cherry picking. Even if the Fightin' 47 were sincere friends of the Jewish people (and to be blunt, I don't buy that for one minute; look at the language that Tweeter uses), if they were thrust back in time to the 30s, they would be representing an American people who were explicitly anti-Semitic across swathes of society irrespective of political alignment for the most part, and if there's one thing a national politician is, it's someone willing to say anything to the folks back home to get reelected.

at the time of the enabling act in 1933, the states aren't even 10 years removed from the last piece of immigration legislation specifically targeted against eastern European populations (amongst others); Jews were a significant part of (and, wrt Reformed, played tangential roles in) eugenics rhetoric throughout the first third of the 20th

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 11, 2015, 12:12:07 PM

Even today in the year of their lord 2015, people like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford enjoy relatively unblemished reputations in public consciousness (nice try doe Philip Roth), which is particularly offensive in the case of the latter as his anti-Semitic work was specifically mentioned by Nazis as being influential on their development as Nazis.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 12:13:36 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 11, 2015, 12:12:07 PM

Even today in the year of their lord 2015, people like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford enjoy relatively unblemished reputations in public consciousness (nice try doe Philip Roth), which is particularly offensive in the case of the latter as his anti-Semitic work was specifically mentioned by Nazis as being influential on their development as Nazis.

Henry Ford was Hitler's main man. The reason more people don't know this is the same reason 70% of 10 year olds can't locate France on a map....that american education breh.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 11, 2015, 12:23:46 PM

Hey, it was the style at the time. Like tying an onion to yer belt.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2015, 01:07:11 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 12:13:36 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 11, 2015, 12:12:07 PM

Even today in the year of their lord 2015, people like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford enjoy relatively unblemished reputations in public consciousness (nice try doe Philip Roth), which is particularly offensive in the case of the latter as his anti-Semitic work was specifically mentioned by Nazis as being influential on their development as Nazis.

Henry Ford was Hitler's main man. The reason more people don't know this is the same reason 70% of 10 year olds can't locate France on a map....that american education breh.

THANKS, COMMON CORE

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 01:09:49 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2015, 01:07:11 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 12:13:36 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 11, 2015, 12:12:07 PM

Even today in the year of their lord 2015, people like Charles Lindbergh and Henry Ford enjoy relatively unblemished reputations in public consciousness (nice try doe Philip Roth), which is particularly offensive in the case of the latter as his anti-Semitic work was specifically mentioned by Nazis as being influential on their development as Nazis.

Henry Ford was Hitler's main man. The reason more people don't know this is the same reason 70% of 10 year olds can't locate France on a map....that american education breh.

THANKS, COMMON CORE

Sir, we are not interested an educating your child to the level of their contemporaries around the world. We just want them to be able to color in the correct bubble on their evaluation test. 

Signed,

The Democrats

PS: Your request for funding for new books was denied. we needed that money to employ a bunch of bottom tier shit dicks in our latest unneeded highway project. Stay tuned Duluth, you're going 4 lanes!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 01:11:25 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/SS7MvlJ.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 11, 2015, 01:13:19 PM

The Republicans are racing to fund our schools to the levels of their contempora...eh fuck it I can't even finish joking about it :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 01:15:16 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 11, 2015, 01:13:19 PM

The Republicans are racing to fund our schools to the levels of their contempora...eh fuck it I can't even finish joking about it :neogaf

Hey you're in charge, still waiting on that change. Stop pointing fingers and fucking over our allies and work on improving our schools as promised, fellas. Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

But to be fare Duncan did add another page to our science books:

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/f0/b2/2af0b27df09a01bb26516a3ac3dec889.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 11, 2015, 01:36:19 PM

It's OK. Charter schools will save the day!

http://integrityineducation.org/charter-fraud/

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“A new report released today reveals that fraudulent charter operators in 15 states are responsible for losing, misusing or wasting over $100 million in taxpayer money.”

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Masai Skiefs, former CEO of the Harambee Institute of Science Technology Charter School in Pennsylvania, who pled guilty to stealing $88,000 for various purposes, including a down payment on a house.
 
William and Shirley Pierce, former operators of Right Step Academy Charter School in Minnesota, who were sentenced to 37 and 30 months in federal prison, respectively, for using public dollars for a Caribbean cruise vacation, $17,561.87 to pay off personal credit card debt, and $11,125.00 to purchase season tickets to the Minnesota Timberwolves, among other things;
 
Joel Pourier, former CEO of Oh Day Aki Heart Charter School in Minnesota, who embezzled $1.38 million from 2003 to 2008. He used the money on houses, cars, and trips to strip clubs. Meanwhile, according to an article in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, the school “lacked funds for field trips, supplies, computers and textbooks.”

 A judge sentenced Mr. Pourier to 10 years in prison.
 Given the number of years, and the severity of the fraud, over a million dollars might have been saved had there been adequate charter oversight

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We found a number of cases where charter operators were caught using public funds to illegally support their own personal businesses. For example, in 2012, the former CEO and founder of the New Media Technology Charter School in Philadelphia was sentenced to prison for stealing $522,000 in taxpayer money to prop up a restaurant, a health food store, and a private school.
 In Florida, the former director of Life Skills Center Charter School, John Wyche, was sentenced in 2011 to serve more than six years in prison for misusing more than $750,000 in state education monies to sustain a failing apartment complex that he owned.

:shaq2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2015, 01:57:15 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 01:15:16 PM

fucking over our allies

eh?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 02:03:37 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 11, 2015, 01:57:15 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 01:15:16 PM

fucking over our allies

eh?

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2015, 02:08:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 01:15:16 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 11, 2015, 01:13:19 PM

The Republicans are racing to fund our schools to the levels of their contempora...eh fuck it I can't even finish joking about it :neogaf

Hey you're in charge, still waiting on that change. Stop pointing fingers and fucking over our allies and work on improving our schools as promised, fellas. Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

But to be fare Duncan did add another page to our science books:

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/f0/b2/2af0b27df09a01bb26516a3ac3dec889.jpg)

Act like most funding/prioritization for schools doesn't come from the state level or lower, breh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 11, 2015, 02:09:47 PM

Act like the republicans want an education system like the gay commies of the rest of the world brehs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 02:10:11 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2015, 02:08:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 01:15:16 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 11, 2015, 01:13:19 PM

The Republicans are racing to fund our schools to the levels of their contempora...eh fuck it I can't even finish joking about it :neogaf

Hey you're in charge, still waiting on that change. Stop pointing fingers and fucking over our allies and work on improving our schools as promised, fellas. Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

But to be fare Duncan did add another page to our science books:

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/f0/b2/2af0b27df09a01bb26516a3ac3dec889.jpg)

Act like most funding/prioritization for schools doesn't come from the state level or lower, breh

Then perhaps Obama shouldn't have highlighted it in both campaigns? At some point you're gonna have to admit he missed more than he hit.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 11, 2015, 02:10:26 PM

In terms of history only I ascribe the failings of education more to ideology than money. The history of the American labor movement--one so important it's the origin of May Day--was eliminated from curriculums very deliberately inthe 1980s. I remember being taught that the Rosenbergs were straight up innocent, not merely railroaded like Sacco and Vanzetti. (Someone else want to make the Grammar / Gramsci School joke here?)

Reading, writing, arithmetic, that's another problem entirely.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2015, 02:26:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 02:10:11 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2015, 02:08:48 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 01:15:16 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on March 11, 2015, 01:13:19 PM

The Republicans are racing to fund our schools to the levels of their contempora...eh fuck it I can't even finish joking about it :neogaf

Hey you're in charge, still waiting on that change. Stop pointing fingers and fucking over our allies and work on improving our schools as promised, fellas. Tick Tock, Tick Tock.

But to be fare Duncan did add another page to our science books:

(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/f0/b2/2af0b27df09a01bb26516a3ac3dec889.jpg)

Act like most funding/prioritization for schools doesn't come from the state level or lower, breh

Then perhaps Obama shouldn't have highlighted it in both campaigns? At some point you're gonna have to admit he missed more than he hit.

You're assuming that I bought into the whole "hope n change" BS and didn't just want a President that wouldn't get us bogged down in two wars for over a decade while simultaneously letting an American city drown because he put a horse judge in charge of FEMA and try to Jesus-ify as much of the gubmint as he could, and toss us into the biggest financial meltdown since the Great Depression. Dude's got an A+ on my report card.

Besides, America has public education on par with the better education countries out there anyway*

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*as long as you're not poor :umad

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 03:45:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md-g7gzU4rI&feature=youtube_gdata

whose uncle is this
:stahp

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 11, 2015, 03:48:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 03:45:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md-g7gzU4rI&feature=youtube_gdata

whose uncle is this
:stahp

Let's eliminate the obvious: It's not me, you, esch, or Darth.

My bet? Vularai

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Post by: Kara on March 11, 2015, 03:57:51 PM

Two of my uncles are dead, another lives in yuroop (long story) and the other is a university professor--doubt it.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2015, 04:02:02 PM

I'd bet on Borys.

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Post by: Rufus on March 11, 2015, 04:17:21 PM

"Removed by the user"

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Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2015, 09:34:56 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2015, 10:48:30 AM

Then why can't he just deploy Atlas Corporation forces to wipe out ISIS?

Buy an Atlas, and you too can see what it feels like to hold the power of the gods in your hands!

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Though the Crimson Lance wound up being ineffective pussies after the initial encounter in Old Haven.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 12, 2015, 09:55:48 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/11/politics/drunk-secret-service-agents-white-house/index.html

:snoop

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2015, 10:43:07 AM

In a new twist, Fox News is now using clear evidence of the existence of a problem to prove that the problem doesn't actually exist:

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“There are very few companies in America, whether they’re public or private, in which if you sic 40 FBI agents on the company and review every email and every document and every communication between employees, you won’t find any racist emails," Megyn Kelly said during her show, "The Kelly File."

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2015, 11:15:13 AM

Actually it's worse than that: she's saying it doesn't matter because everyone does it. I'd accept this argument if it was about digging in your nose or watching porn...but not about racism in a corporate environment or worse yet, a fucking justice department.

I wonder what her response would be if the US government was sending racially charged emails about white people...

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2015, 01:14:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2015, 11:15:13 AM

I wonder what her response would be if the US government was sending racially charged emails about white people...

Well, they already think the Obama administration loves Muslims and hates Christians [based entirely on nothing], soo...

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Post by: Brehvolution on March 12, 2015, 01:28:36 PM

She's admitting that they send racist emails at fux news ergo everyone else does. Most people would get fired for using corporate email in that manner.

Tone deafly defend racists, brehs.

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Post by: Brehvolution on March 12, 2015, 02:59:11 PM

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    “Well, let me say, they should go to Israel, and if they’re not circumcised, they should get cut. Because they deserve it. I mean, this is insane. You know, the whole thing’s insane. By the way it’s not like Obama versus the Jews or the Jews versus Obama, it not about that at all. No president ever has bent over more backward for the Jews…

    “[The Republicans] should become a Jew, put on a yarmulke because they are not Americans, they have sold their soul to the Jewish power in this country and the Jewish power overseas.”

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http://www.mediaite.com/online/david-duke-gopers-behind-iran-letter-not-american-sold-souls-to-jewish-power/

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 12, 2015, 05:18:45 PM

the Iran letter has now been condemned by Dick Cheney and David Duke.  To the right of Dick Cheney and David Duke...

and I'm not sure which bizarro world to a normal earth I'm living in.

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Post by: Kara on March 12, 2015, 06:37:53 PM

Teh Jewish powazzzzzz. :geoff

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2015, 09:47:41 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 12, 2015, 05:18:45 PM

the Iran letter has now been condemned by Dick Cheney and David Duke.  To the right of Dick Cheney and David Duke...

and I'm not sure which bizarro world to a normal earth I'm living in.

Republicans are already trying to walk it back. You've got McCain saying that maybe it wasn't the best way to get their message across and then there's Senate staffers trying to claim that they were just joking around and the letter wasn't supposed to be serious.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2015, 09:49:20 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 12, 2015, 06:37:53 PM

Teh Jewish powazzzzzz. :geoff

Tell us of the protocols of your learned elders, Kara. :what

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2015, 03:26:17 PM

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/13/nra-may-lose-longtime-backer-glenn-beck-because/202889

...............................

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2015, 05:16:20 PM

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Glenn Beck claimed on his radio show today that he spoke to National Rifle Association executive vice president and CEO Wayne LaPierre and was told that the NRA is "opening up an ethics investigation" to determine "once and for all" if Grover Norquist is an agent of the Muslim Brotherhood. Beck also definitively said he would leave the NRA if Norquist is reelected to the NRA's board of directors in April.

 :neogaf :heh :lawd :dead :aah :rejoice :obama :umad :drudge :paul :picard :hans1 :deadpos :joel :what

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 13, 2015, 07:55:44 PM

It's like a paranoia inception.

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Post by: Kara on March 13, 2015, 08:08:53 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2015, 09:49:20 PM

Tell us of the protocols of your learned elders, Kara. :what

Well the first thing is that they aren't like written rules or even customary guidelines, but constituent organizations in WORLDWIDE JEWISH CONSPIRACY, a Swiss verein. (I've been trying to get them to go the KPMG route on this but I'm just a mischlinge mailboy.)

For example, Protocol 6 is merely a bank holding company that controls every bank outside the People's Republic of China. Protocol 4? Just an international K Street type lobbying firm. (Sorry Mandark, you do important work there! Hearts and minds, all that good stuff) Protocol 13? A Madison Avenue tier consulting firm. Protocol 21? The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation. (And you verkakte goyim thought it was the Federal Reserve System. :ufup)

Protocol 15 is, ironically I'd add, not a Masonic lodge or any kind of Masonic organization.

I have my dreams set on Protocol 18, but for some reason deliberately fucking up the mail delivery isn't viewed as chaotic by the Elders, or even Erisian, just shitty work. :shaq2

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 13, 2015, 11:49:03 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/war-with-iran-is-probably-our-best-option/2015/03/13/fb112eb0-c725-11e4-a199-6cb5e63819d2_story.html

reminds me of some of the stuff I read during the lead up to Iraq. Pure, dangerous insanity.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2015, 12:14:00 AM

A little digging produced this article from the same writer all the way back in 2006:

Quote from: http://www.latimes.com/news/la-op-muravchik19nov19-story.html#page=1

WE MUST bomb Iran.

It has been four years since that country's secret nuclear program was brought to light, and the path of diplomacy and sanctions has led nowhere.

Aside from a few words swapped around, it's the exact same article. :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2015, 01:38:31 AM

We gotta find the smoking gun before it becomes a mushroom cloud, brehs.

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Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2015, 02:42:08 AM

Yeah, Muravchick is a neocon's neocon.  He's your go-to guy if you're really, really scared of Muslims and want to see them blown up, but have just enough self-awareness to be embarrassed by Pam Gellar.  Karakand could probably throw some shade at his dad Manny, a rabidly anticommunist "socialist" labor activist.

Meanwhile the WaPo also ran a piece by Michael Gerson, saying the letter was a bad idea but so is a potential deal with Iran.  He takes a different tack, arguing that the US can just keep up sanctions and isolation until the pressure forces regime change or Iran--spontaneously and without assurances of reciprocation--starts acting friendlier.  They're both asinine.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 14, 2015, 03:07:10 AM

He was a Yipsell, so I assume pops was O.G. SPA, which I begrudgingly respect.

I wonder if he was a Red Falcon. :dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 14, 2015, 11:39:11 AM

dat sheldon adelson tip. it's so demonic, brehs.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2015, 01:02:28 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2015, 02:42:08 AM

Yeah, Muravchick is a neocon's neocon.  He's your go-to guy if you're really, really scared of Muslims and want to see them blown up, but have just enough self-awareness to be embarrassed by Pam Gellar.  Karakand could probably throw some shade at his dad Manny, a rabidly anticommunist "socialist" labor activist.

Meanwhile the WaPo also ran a piece by Michael Gerson, saying the letter was a bad idea but so is a potential deal with Iran.  He takes a different tack, arguing that the US can just keep up sanctions and isolation until the pressure forces regime change or Iran--spontaneously and without assurances of reciprocation--starts acting friendlier.  They're both asinine.

Sounds like a cleverly hidden argument for long term war. There's no guarantee that regime change in Iran will result in anything that benefits the west. Worse yet what are the chances of "regime change" actually meaning "Ayatollah getting thrown in the bushes." Not going to happen anytime soon.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2015, 06:17:16 AM

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/518ed1j3k6L.jpg) (http://chicksontheright.com/book)
(http://chicksontheright.com/images/2014-08-31_21_57_55.jpg)

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Book Description:
"It's time for a real, snarktastic, humor-filled look at what makes conservatism right. We conservatives have truth and rationality and logic on our side. We just need to remind ourselves why we are right, and we need that reminder delivered in a way that's not a lecture, not a history lesson, and not a complicated political diatribe."

If you think all conservatives are old white dudes, think again.

Meet the Chicks on the Right (if you haven't already).

Everyone loves to tell them they're wrong. Everyone. Liberals say they're wrong because, well, they're conservative. Conservatives tell them they're wrong because they are not conservative enough. Or because they're too conservative. Or because they're the wrong kind of conservative. With all the blame flying around, it's easy to lose sight of one important thing:

They think like you. And they are right.

It's right to revere the Constitution. It's right to value personal responsibility, economic liberty, and free enterprise. It's right to think that political correctness is crap, and it's right to call out the mainstream media for bias. And it's right to laugh at the so-called "War on Women" and to stand up for the unborn.

As they do every day on their blog and radio show, Miriam Weaver and Amy Jo Clark offer a definitive response to critics on the right and the left, and a cheerfully snarky pep talk for likeminded conservatives. On the one hand, they are tired of the media's portrayal of conservatives as repressed sticks-in-the-mud; on the other hand, they are sick of GOP leaders who play right into that stereotype.

With humor and insight, "Mock" and "Daisy," as the Chicks are known on their blog, explain why:

• Capitalism is a good thing--success and the money that comes with it are good!
• First Amendment protections extend to all Americans, not just those with whom we agree.
• Americans have a constitutional right to things that go pew-pew-pew.
• Skin color is irrelevant.
• It makes sense to be pro-life and pro-Plan B.

The Chicks call out Republicans for focusing on the wrong issues and offer suggestions for the conservative "makeover" that will realign the GOP with the regular folks who are frustrated with uptight and clueless politicians. But they also show why conservatism makes sense for everyone, especially those who love their country, their families, God, rock and roll, and a well-made cocktail (not necessarily in that order).

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Post by: Eric P on March 15, 2015, 07:37:30 AM

Americans have a constitutional right to things that go pew-pew-pew.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2015, 07:51:14 AM

No Euro loving commie taco is going to take away my God given right to have a phased plasma rifle in the 40 watt range.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 15, 2015, 03:08:09 PM

TBH that seems like it has more nuance than a lot of American conservative output these days. Not really saying much, I know.

I'm morbidly curious if they differentiate between the current incarnation of the capitalist mode of production (which in certain aspects has benefited women) and the mode itself, or if they think the variant where a boss could fire a woman for not giving it up is good too. I'm probably being too optimistic with this hypothetical.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2015, 03:34:37 PM

Seems less nuanced, more of a rebranding effort (see Jonah Goldberg's "South Park conservatism").

Quote from: Vularai on March 15, 2015, 03:08:09 PM

where a boss could fire a woman for not giving it up

Would obv never happen irl, cause cause female employees would demand higher wages in compensation or leave for a competitor, thus making the sexist firm noncompetitive and driving it out of business.  Duh.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: drew on March 15, 2015, 03:35:07 PM

speaking of dakka you guys hear about this?  the possibility of having affordable full auto AK's and AR's in the near future gets me unspeakable wet:

http://www.sofmag.com/new-twist-in-machine-gun-suit/

ATF's response:  http://media.wix.com/ugd/c601ae_7a50db75e27f4e178c7fb791cb2cb615.pdf

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Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2015, 03:41:47 PM

I only gave it a quick skim but:
1. They used "y'all" four times on five pages, and such snarky phrases as "Hello?!" and "Oh no he didn't" and "It's trendy, like Uggs." And titled a section about OWS "Hippies vs. Capitalism."
ii. This comment from an Amazon review seems accurate:

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These two are kind of like the Chelsea Handlers of Conservatism

Their website has wonderful design and content, goodbye memeorandum, you're outdated: http://chicksontheright.com/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2015, 03:47:55 PM

http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/27814-state-representative-had-an-epic-welcome-sign-for-planned-parenthood

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2015, 04:10:25 PM

http://chicksontheright.com/blog/item/27792-did-you-notice-something-weird-about-time-s-hillary-clinton-cover

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2015, 05:51:04 PM

Paul Krugman is kind of like the Chelsea Handler of Keynesian economic theory.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 15, 2015, 11:59:24 PM

This currency that lots of currencies are pegged to and oil is priced in doesn't have to behave like other currencies. I'm a published e-Conomist.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2015, 02:26:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpWwRDbN2kI

AIA, come get your boy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2015, 04:19:24 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 15, 2015, 11:59:24 PM

This currency that lots of currencies are pegged to and oil is priced in doesn't have to behave like other currencies. I'm a published e-Conomist.

His wife writes a lot of his columns/blogposts. :shh

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2015, 04:38:30 PM

K-Thug has a ghostwriter? Maybe he is a rapper after all.

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Post by: Kara on March 16, 2015, 11:53:54 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 16, 2015, 04:19:24 PM

His wife writes a lot of his columns/blogposts. :shh

I'd probably get sick of regurgitating milquetoast Keynesian economics with a pinch of aged chartalism too, though I'd at least have the decency to hire some grad student for cents on the dollar instead of leaving my life partner holding the smelly bag of bullshit. :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2015, 12:10:14 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 16, 2015, 11:53:54 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 16, 2015, 04:19:24 PM

His wife writes a lot of his columns/blogposts. :shh

I'd probably get sick of regurgitating milquetoast Keynesian economics with a pinch of aged chartalism too, though I'd at least have the decency

Stopped reading right there.

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Post by: Kara on March 17, 2015, 12:10:48 AM

:fbm

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2015, 12:14:00 AM

Just like an orthodox economist, Kara's seemingly confident predictions are actually built on shaky assumptions (he'll have a "life partner").

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 17, 2015, 12:16:02 AM

M O D S  H E L P

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 12:19:48 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 16, 2015, 11:53:54 PM

I'd probably get sick of regurgitating milquetoast Keynesian economics with a pinch of aged chartalism too, though I'd at least have the decency to hire some grad student for cents on the dollar instead of leaving my life partner holding the smelly bag of bullshit. :bolo

iirc it started with her editing to "punch up" his work and then she decided to just ghostwrite which is why he expanded so much into non economic topics and more partisan fare

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 17, 2015, 12:26:45 AM

So you're saying women don't want to talk about economics and prefer to fight irrationally instead of sitting down to a nice warm cup of dialectics? :hitler

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Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2015, 12:27:48 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 12:19:48 AM

iirc it started with her editing to "punch up" his work and then she decided to just ghostwrite which is why he expanded so much into non economic topics and more partisan fare

At this point I gotta ask for a source.  If this is just speculation, it's a wee bit sexist.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 12:35:43 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 17, 2015, 12:27:48 AM

At this point I gotta ask for a source.  If this is just speculation, it's a wee bit sexist.

Source:
(http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/100301_r19355_p646-320.jpg)

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The ghost-writing thing is just pretty common speculation (I've seen it on both conservative and progressive sites) but it stems from stuff like this profile: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/03/01/the-deflationist

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Early on, she edited a lot—she had, they felt, a better sense than he did of how to communicate economics to the layperson. (She is also an economist—they met when she was a postdoc at M.I.T. and he was teaching there.) But he’s much better at that now, and these days she focusses on making him less dry, less abstract, angrier. Recently, he gave her a draft of an article he’d done for Rolling Stone. He had written, “As Obama tries to deal with the crisis, he will get no help from Republican leaders,” and after this she inserted the sentence “Worse yet, he’ll get obstruction and lies.” Where he had written that the stimulus bill would at best “mitigate the slump, not cure it,” she crossed out that phrase and substituted “somewhat soften the economic hardship that we face for the next few years.” Here and there, she suggested things for him to add. “This would be a good place to flesh out the vehement objections from the G.O.P. and bankers to nationalization,” she wrote on page 9. “Show us all their huffing and puffing before you dismiss it as nonsense in the following graf.”

On the rare occasion when they disagree about something, she will be the one urging him to be more outraged or recalcitrant. She pushed him to denounce the filibuster. She wanted him to be more stubborn in holding out for the public option in the health-care bill.

I've heard people say you can tell in the writing style (even though they probably can't) but fuck if I'm going to read two years of his archives to try and figure out if it's true so my mockery is accurate.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2015, 12:48:17 AM

 :beli

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 12:50:13 AM

What can I say, she's got the bigger pussy.  :yeshrug

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Post by: Kara on March 17, 2015, 12:53:27 AM

Is that a Maine... American Longhair? EVEN HIS CATS ARE PROSAIC. :'(

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Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 12:55:13 AM

Can't tell for sure from the picture, Maine Coons are incredible mousers.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 12:58:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 12:55:13 AM

Maine Coons

Now there's a great name for an old Negro League team.

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Racism and sexism in one page. My work here is done.

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Post by: Kara on March 17, 2015, 01:01:02 AM

:beli

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2015, 01:01:27 AM

why is he standing three feet behind his wife, and holding a smaller cat?
#misandry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 01:09:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWsIhBnaWaw

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2015, 08:49:01 AM

Child abuse.

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Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2015, 09:19:55 AM

http://www.ibtimes.com/israeli-elections-close-netanyahu-uses-iran-nuclear-situation-boost-ratings-1847656

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“Why do they not support me when I fight to neutralize threats like Iranian nuclear weapons," asked Natanyahu of the person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Union leaders on an Israeli TV show Sunday evening. "Why do they refuse to say they support the massive security effort we are undertaking?"

Herzog, whose is the son of former Israeli President Chaim Herzog, replied by saying Israel’s security “is more important than everything for us” before adding, "The international community knows that you [Netanyahu] are weak and does not accept your position."

Bye bye bibi.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2015, 10:33:07 AM

I hope so but I'm not getting my hopes up. Seems like he has gone full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow over the last few days, and there isn't last minute polling info like in the US. Maybe it works just enough to save him. Apparently his party is attempting to scare voters by noting the Arab turnout is very high today. Sound familiar?

Mandark, Karakand. Explain. Preferably in David Brooks terms.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 17, 2015, 10:47:37 AM

All the parties friendly to Israeli Arab interests are running on  a joint list this election (pardon the awkward phrasing, but I don't really consider (nu) Maki an Israeli Arab party per se).

People going  :gddr5 about them are really underestimating the ideological divide that underlines this alliance. Even if it had a successful election, it couldn't be much more than a generic Israeli Arab advocacy group.

The thing about person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Union is that I don't really see them building a stable government if they do win, which the Begin Brigade can. While I don't think much of social democratic parties in general, Union is already a mini-alliance of disparate parts to begin with. Kinda sad that the heirs to Mapai are reduced to this.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 10:55:56 AM

Why are we talking about this show election? We all know the Jews really decide things behind closed doors and operate as one.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2015, 11:13:51 AM

It will be significant if bibi loses. I think it would show that people are tired of the fear mongering and the groveling to the American congress was petty theatrics.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: FoneBone on March 17, 2015, 03:01:44 PM

Bye-bye Aaron Schock (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/aaron-schock-resigns-116153.html)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2015, 04:02:09 PM

Quote from: FoneBone on March 17, 2015, 03:01:44 PM

Bye-bye Aaron Schock (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/aaron-schock-resigns-116153.html)

So long fuccboi.

(http://i.minus.com/iy9aOtZZbSdKl.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 17, 2015, 04:31:57 PM

I'm not so much insulted by the theft of public money as I am at how pathetic the concealment was. That shit is self-employed construction contractor tier :trash.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 17, 2015, 06:53:54 PM

This guy spend $5k on a podium called "The Presidential." :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2015, 06:55:38 PM

so now he gets to come out the closet, express support for gay marriage, and get a 500k/yr lobbyist job

:obama

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 08:24:17 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/mickey-kaus-quits-daily-caller-after-tucker-carlson-204135.html

Quote

The blogger Mickey Kaus has quit his job at The Daily Caller after the conservative site's editor-in-chief, Tucker Carlson, pulled a critical column about Fox News from the site, Kaus told the On Media blog on Tuesday.

"It's pretty simple," Kaus said in an interview, "I wrote a piece attacking Fox for not being the opposition on immigration and amnesty -- for filling up the airwaves with reports on ISIS and terrorism, and not fulfilling their responsibility of being the opposition on amnesty and immigration.... I posted it at 6:30 in the morning. When I got up, Tucker had taken it down. He said, 'We can't trash Fox on the site. I work there.'"

Carlson, who co-founded The Daily Caller in 2010, is a conservative contributor to Fox News and the host of its weekend edition of "Fox & Friends."

Kaus says when he told Carlson he needed to be able to write about Fox, Carlson told him it was a hard-and-fast rule, and non-negotiable.

"He said it was a rule, and he wouldn't be able to change that rule. So I told him I quit," Kaus explained. "I just don't see how you can put out a publication with that kind of giant no-go area. It's not like we're owned by Joe's Muffler Shop, so we just can't write about Joe's Muffler shop."

...

Kaus will now publish his columns exclusively on Kausfiles, a blog that was previously featured on Slate. But he said that Fox News' influence over The Daily Caller was indicative of a larger problem in conservative media.

"It's a larger problem on the right: Everybody is scared of Fox," he said. "Fox is their route to a high-profile public image and in some cases stardom. Just to be on a Fox show is a big deal. And I think that's a problem on the right, Fox's monopoly on star-making power."

haha nobody cares

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 17, 2015, 08:35:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJmfd3cmg

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 08:54:37 PM

Well, I'll lose the Daily Caller commentators. I wanted to see if they'd reach a point where Kaus could want to exterminate all immigrants and they'd still write 5000 word whines about how he's a liberal pussy caving on immigration.

It was for science dammit.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 17, 2015, 10:05:09 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 17, 2015, 08:35:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVXJmfd3cmg

Anti-Semite.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2015, 11:58:42 PM

APKmetsfan is a Jew too? You people really do dominate politics.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 18, 2015, 12:02:32 AM

You've never read his thrilling justification for being a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation (contra being a Jewish nationalist)?

"We pray to Jerusalem."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2015, 12:09:52 AM

No, just the explanation on how the communist agenda is to destroy the family. Though I tend to be bored by Israel threads so I would have missed it if he posted in one of those. I know he tends to be rah-rah Israel and America on foreign policy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 18, 2015, 12:14:19 AM

Yes they close every Party meeting with the Oath to Destroy the Family and Immanentize New Synthesis.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2015, 12:17:23 AM

Can we replace the family with synthesis? Is mating a form of synthesis?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2015, 12:41:16 AM

I synthesized your mom.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 18, 2015, 12:04:48 PM

Something something a beast with two backs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2015, 04:46:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bj8M6SA0_8&feature=youtu.be&t=18m12s
(18m 12s if it doesn't skip there automatically)
 :brazilcry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 18, 2015, 04:59:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HPW8gsZD1w

:win

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2015, 05:17:39 PM

muh cuntry!  :'(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2015, 05:24:31 PM

He farred all dem genrals that twarnt gunna nuke charlestan when dey came ta git muh shootin' airns.   :'(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 18, 2015, 05:32:40 PM

When Rick Santorum looks at you like you're an inbred idiot you shouldn't be able to vote.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2015, 07:24:22 PM

TRRRRRRUUUMMMMMMPPPPPP

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150317/NEWS0605/150319086 (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150317/NEWS0605/150319086)

Quote

"I have a great love for our country, but it is a country that is in serious trouble. We have lost the respect of the entire world. Americans deserve better than what they get from their politicians – who are all talk and no action! I have built a great company, created thousands of jobs and built a tremendous net worth with some of the finest and most prestigious assets in the world – and very little debt! All Americans deserve the same opportunity. Our real unemployment rate is staggering while our manufacturing base is eroding on a daily basis. We must rebuild our infrastructure, control our borders, support local control of education, greatly strengthen our military, care for our veterans and put Americans back to work! We must stop other countries from totally taking advantage of our representatives who are being out-negotiated at every turn. I am the only one who can make America truly great again!"

Quote

He has a team of political advisers based in New York and he has hired staff in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. Senior political adviser Corey Lewandowski, who is a Granite Stater, was hired in February.

Lewandowski cited Trump’s vision and leadership and called him a problem-solver.

According to Lewandowski, “Apprentice” producer Mark Burnett personally called Trump to offer another season of the “Apprentice” but Trump turned him down.

“Nobody in the history of television has turned down a renewal,” Lewandowski said in a phone interview with the Union Leader. “But Mr. Trump can do that.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 18, 2015, 07:51:28 PM

Quote

According to Lewandowski, “Apprentice” producer Mark Burnett personally called Trump to offer another season of the “Apprentice” but Trump turned him down.

:cincinnatuscry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 18, 2015, 07:55:50 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2015, 05:24:31 PM

He farred all dem genrals that twarnt gunna nuke charlestan when dey came ta git muh shootin' airns.   :'(

Gonna start sayin' SEP TEM BAH irl.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 08:34:32 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 18, 2015, 07:24:22 PM

TRRRRRRUUUMMMMMMPPPPPP

http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150317/NEWS0605/150319086 (http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150317/NEWS0605/150319086)

Quote

"I have a great love for our country, but it is a country that is in serious trouble. We have lost the respect of the entire world. Americans deserve better than what they get from their politicians – who are all talk and no action! I have built a great company, created thousands of jobs and built a tremendous net worth with some of the finest and most prestigious assets in the world – and very little debt! All Americans deserve the same opportunity. Our real unemployment rate is staggering while our manufacturing base is eroding on a daily basis. We must rebuild our infrastructure, control our borders, support local control of education, greatly strengthen our military, care for our veterans and put Americans back to work! We must stop other countries from totally taking advantage of our representatives who are being out-negotiated at every turn. I am the only one who can make America truly great again!"

Quote

He has a team of political advisers based in New York and he has hired staff in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina. Senior political adviser Corey Lewandowski, who is a Granite Stater, was hired in February.

Lewandowski cited Trump’s vision and leadership and called him a problem-solver.

According to Lewandowski, “Apprentice” producer Mark Burnett personally called Trump to offer another season of the “Apprentice” but Trump turned him down.

“Nobody in the history of television has turned down a renewal,” Lewandowski said in a phone interview with the Union Leader. “But Mr. Trump can do that.”

Fuck Trump

(http://media.giphy.com/media/rBCJigDvVE4w/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 10:38:36 AM

You can't hate on Trump for being the truest republican in America AiA.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 10:39:22 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 10:38:36 AM

You can't hate on Trump for being the truest republican in America AiA.

(http://i.imgur.com/f2NWmao.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2015, 10:43:43 AM

dude was a democrat just a few years ago lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 10:44:27 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2015, 10:43:43 AM

dude was a democrat just a few years ago lol

Dude has been an idiot for about 30 years.

He's the only guy who fucked up a football league AND a casino because of false pride...so he's got that going for him.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 19, 2015, 12:39:12 PM

:bow House Judiciary Committee doing their part to help kill off annoying reaction GIFs (http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908) :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 19, 2015, 12:41:25 PM

Looks like somebody there discovered Tumblr recently.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 19, 2015, 01:09:21 PM

About as effective as your grandpa trying out the "hip slang" of young millennials, and every bit as embarrassing.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 01:13:31 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 19, 2015, 01:09:21 PM

About as effective as your grandpa trying out the "hip slang" of young millennials, and every bit as embarrassing.

To be fair they show more understanding of using gifs than Obama does of maintaining our position as the top economy in the world.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 19, 2015, 01:31:20 PM

Obama tried but it was filibustered by congress.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 01:35:51 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 19, 2015, 01:31:20 PM

Obama tried but it was filibustered by congress.

LOL


Or handed over to Pelosi to bumblefuck through.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 19, 2015, 01:42:10 PM

Then the keys got handed off to Boehner because he said that jobs was going to be his number 1 priority, but instead he held about 100 pointless repeal votes on Obamacare instead.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 02:00:21 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 19, 2015, 12:39:12 PM

:bow House Judiciary Committee doing their part to help kill off annoying reaction GIFs (http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908) :bow2

Juvenile, naive, annoying, poorly thought out?
Yup, it's republican.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:00:56 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 02:00:21 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 19, 2015, 12:39:12 PM

:bow House Judiciary Committee doing their part to help kill off annoying reaction GIFs (http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908) :bow2

Juvenile, naive, annoying, poorly thought out?
Yup, it's republican.

As opposed to pseudo intellectual and circular.   :yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 19, 2015, 02:11:05 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:00:56 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 02:00:21 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 19, 2015, 12:39:12 PM

:bow House Judiciary Committee doing their part to help kill off annoying reaction GIFs (http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908) :bow2

Juvenile, naive, annoying, poorly thought out?
Yup, it's republican.

As opposed to pseudo intellectual and circular.   :yeshrug

(http://i.imgur.com/SaYqVEC.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 19, 2015, 02:12:48 PM

(http://img.izismile.com/img/img5/20120406/640/hilarious_obama_animated_gifs_640_13.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 19, 2015, 02:21:17 PM

I thought that was going to be a humor site link when I clicked it, not house dot fucking gov. :snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 19, 2015, 02:49:29 PM

Quote from: http://www.nh1.com/news/nh-lawmakers-brutally-kill-4th-graders-bill-in-front-of-them/

CONCORD - Fourth graders from Lincoln Akerman School in Hampton Falls received a warm welcome at the State House last Thursday. They and their teacher, James Cutting, were guests in the Gallery.

That reception quickly turned chilly as students got a glimpse of the cold, harsh realities of politics in the Granite State.

In the spirit of learning by doing, students drafted a bill to learn the process of how a bill becomes law. They proposed House Bill 373, an act establishing the Red Tail Hawk as the New Hampshire State Raptor. Even though it passed through the Environment and Agriculture committee with a majority vote, some representatives were far from receptive.

Rep. Warren Groen, a Republican from Rochester said, "It grasps them with its talons then uses its razor sharp beak to basically tear it apart limb by limb, and I guess the shame about making this a state bird is it would serve as a much better mascot for Planned Parenthood."

That comment, considered offensive by many, was made while the fourth graders sat, watched and listened. The tough lesson didn't end there.

Rep. John Burt, a Republican from Goffstown said, "Bottom line, if we keep bringing more of these bills, and bills, and bills forward that really I think we shouldn't have in front of us, we'll be picking a state hot dog next."

In a 133-to-160 vote lawmakers killed the bill and perhaps the civic enthusiasm of some 9-and-10-year-olds.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 19, 2015, 02:54:37 PM

I couldn't imagine being so cynically butthurt all day everyday.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2015, 04:15:41 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 19, 2015, 12:39:12 PM

:bow House Judiciary Committee doing their part to help kill off annoying reaction GIFs (http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908) :bow2

Boehner did it first: http://www.speaker.gov/general/12-taylor-swift-reactions-president-obamas-free-college-idea

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2015, 08:31:27 PM

https://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/video/2015/03/19/Nowruz-Farsi
king kunta makin' em mad

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 19, 2015, 09:41:07 PM

You see that terrrist writtin'? He's a terrist I tells ya!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: helios on March 20, 2015, 09:21:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6AlQiWatD4

(http://share.gifyoutube.com/yaWbGR.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 20, 2015, 10:11:47 AM

Too Many Crooks

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 20, 2015, 11:32:36 AM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/charleston.asp

(http://i.imgur.com/ENGHha0.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 20, 2015, 01:20:41 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 20, 2015, 11:32:36 AM

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/charleston.asp

(http://i.imgur.com/ENGHha0.png)

It's like, okay, guys, I know you hate Obama, but come on.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: drew on March 20, 2015, 07:20:34 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 20, 2015, 10:11:47 AM

Too Many Crooks

@ 4:24 :rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 20, 2015, 07:29:27 PM

I assumed that nuke rumor was somehow tied to the story about a nuke nearly detonating in NC in 1961. Maybe someone conflated the issues, threw Obama's name in there, modernized it, etc. But nope it's an entirely different ball of nonsense.
:heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 20, 2015, 08:01:04 PM

Quote from: Rep. Steven King

"Here's what I don't understand, I don't understand how Jews in America can be Democrats first and Jewish second and support Israel along the line of just following their President."

Being accused of disloyalty for not having an allegiance to a foreign country.  Odd times.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 20, 2015, 09:24:52 PM

This isn't the first time Gentiles have bemoaned rootless cosmopolitanism. :larry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 21, 2015, 11:33:44 AM

Honestly. I was once called "unamerican" because I dared say that Israel was a plenty strong enough country to look after itself.

I guess leave it to the jews to have the best marketing.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2015, 01:29:22 PM

The evangelical obsession with Israel reminds me of the witch fattening Hansel up. That endgame ain't pretty, brehs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 21, 2015, 02:58:09 PM

I overheard a German national, naturalized American who's old enough to know better (i.e. a pensioner) insinuate that President Obama would find a way to keep himself in the presidency after his term is up. :stahp

I still said Gruss Gott at introduction doe. :hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Rufus on March 21, 2015, 03:29:29 PM

:lol Is he the type that would vote AfD now?

Kohl was in power for 16 years. Is he old enough to remember Adenauer?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 21, 2015, 03:36:13 PM

From my napkin math the latest they could have been born was 1948 so Adenauer seems possible.

AfD struck me as a younger racist's racist party, and also not huge in Bavaria. Am I off the Deutsche Mark with that? (And you thought my currency puns were gone. :ufup)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Rufus on March 21, 2015, 04:11:45 PM

Hm, AfD skews towards middle class. Not sure about age actually... If he fears Obama might pull a Putin though I'd peg him as eurosceptic as well. And yeah, CSU still reigns supreme in Bavaria, so you're on the mark (sigh :goty ).

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2015, 07:49:32 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier

America wouldn't bomb its own ships  :ufup

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2015, 08:01:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 21, 2015, 07:49:32 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier

America wouldn't bomb its own ships  :ufup

We bombed Charleston already, nothing's off the table. :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2015, 08:39:24 PM

They fired on Fort Sumter first.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2015, 02:01:58 AM

YES PLZ

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/politics/us/article/Ted-Cruz-to-announce-presidential-bid-Monday-6150894.php

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2015, 02:21:20 AM

pretty early isn't it? but if all you want is a spotlight it's perfect.

For comparison Obama announced his candidacy in December 2007.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 22, 2015, 02:28:31 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

yeah, it's usually when reading theopolitical polemic from this camp that I start thinking "hmm, maybe the plot of xenogears wasn't so sophomoric after all"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2015, 02:51:10 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2015, 02:21:20 AM

pretty early isn't it? but if all you want is a spotlight it's perfect.

For comparison Obama announced his candidacy in December 2007.

Gotta be first out of the gate.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/17/rand-paul-presidential-bid-announcement-expected-april-7/

I'm sure he saw that and was all, "Oh no you don't Rand Paul"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2015, 03:00:43 AM

Also, re: wingnuts views on Israel- TPM mostly sucks nowadays, but Josh Marshall had a really great turn of phrase for how the Thunderdome set views Jews: "yahwistic lawnjockeys, mascots for a certain type of militant defense policy and museum pieces in the historical imagination of right-wing Christianity."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2015, 03:04:08 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2015, 02:21:20 AM

pretty early isn't it? but if all you want is a spotlight it's perfect.

For comparison Obama announced his candidacy in December 2007.

That is factually incorrect. He announced his candidacy the month before he won in Iowa?

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/112/304/GTFO-AND-STAY-GTFOD.jpg)

This is like, the first result for "barack obama announces candidacy 2008" on google you fucking dunce. You'll note the date is May 2, 2007.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/02/10/obama.president/

Are you EVER gonna stop taking L's from that election cycle?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2015, 03:34:13 AM

Hey man it's late and a state of Mormons just fucked up my NCAA tournament bracket. I looked it up on YouTube and saw the video was posted in December 07. Now that I think about it...it was quite a sunny day for December in Chicago.
:heh

I'll take my L. But at least I'm not Ted Cruz :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 22, 2015, 11:53:12 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 22, 2015, 02:28:31 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

yeah, it's usually when reading theopolitical polemic from this camp that I start thinking "hmm, maybe the plot of xenogears wasn't so sophomoric after all"

(http://i.imgur.com/WjojNtA.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2015, 02:17:43 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUTLCDBONok

 :dead :dead :dead :dead

Haven't watched any of this but saw it in the part on the right list on YouTube that eventually shows "recommended" videos (I was watching a couple Conan clips and suddenly it's MMT videos in the list :lol)

As an aside that economist the Senate Democrats recently hired to be their Chief Economist explains MMT on Russia Today for some reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i7O791RkvU

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 23, 2015, 02:20:30 AM

But does the government *need* to tax and borrow in order to spend? *perky head bob*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 23, 2015, 02:31:40 AM

The cashier example. :snoop

Just pay a guaranteed minimum income fer chrissake. :stahp

e: "The market never sustains full unemployment." Yes comrade it's called the reserve army of labor.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2015, 09:12:48 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 19, 2015, 12:39:12 PM

:bow House Judiciary Committee doing their part to help kill off annoying reaction GIFs (http://judiciary.house.gov/index.cfm/press-releases?ID=62B4FDF5-C8F8-4674-9C2B-08E9A0E7E908) :bow2

Fun fact: All the gifs in this post about immigration feature only white people.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2015, 02:12:13 PM

Quote from: http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/5-years-later-obamacare-critics-cant-believe-their-lying-eyes

Exactly five years ago today, the White House hosted a signing ceremony in the East Room for one of the most important policy breakthroughs in a generation. Policymakers from both parties have talked about providing health security for all of the nation’s families for roughly a century, but on March 23, 2010, officials gathered not just to talk but to celebrate action.
 
Vice President Biden introduced President Obama to the audience and, in comments that weren’t intended for the public’s ears, said to the president off-mic, “This is a big f***ing deal.” Five years later, there’s little doubt that Biden was entirely correct.
 
If you’d told me five years ago that on March 23, 2015, the Affordable Care Act would exceed expectations on every possible metric, including reducing the nation’s uninsured rate by a third, I’d say “Obamacare” would look like a great success. And fortunately for the country, that’s exactly what’s happened.
 
Anniversaries are a good time to pause, reflect, and take stock, and when it comes to health care reform, objective observers are going to find it easy on the ACA’s fifth anniversary to appreciate the law’s triumphs. But it’s also a good time to take a moment to acknowledge those who told Americans exactly what to expect from the Affordable Care Act – and who got the story backwards.
 
Failed Prediction #1: Americans won’t enroll in the ACA
 
In 2009 and 2010, it was widely assumed among Republicans that Democrats had fundamentally miscalculated public demand and consumers would show no real interest in signing up for coverage through the Affordable Care Act. Indeed, among some on the right, this was a foregone conclusion – Americans wouldn’t trust “Obamacare.” We now know, of course, that the opposite is true and that millions of families have eagerly signed up for benefits through the ACA.
 
Failed Prediction #2: The ACA won’t meet its enrollment goals
 
OK, so maybe some consumers would enroll, Republicans eventually said, but the ACA would inevitably lose the numbers game when the enrollment projections proved overly ambitious. In reality, both this year and last year, enrollment totals exceeded the Obama administration’s preliminary projections.
 
Failed Prediction #3: Insurers will want no part of the ACA system
 
Conservatives were absolutely convinced that private insurers would refuse to participate in the ACA’s exchange marketplaces, repeating the prediction over and over again. This also proved to be the opposite of the truth, as insurance companies have been eager to compete for Americans’ business.
 
Failed Prediction #4: The economy will suffer terribly because of ‘Obamacare’
 
Among Republicans, there was near-certainty that 2014 – the first full year for ACA implementation – would be an abysmal year for the American job market. After all, it seemed obvious to the right that “Obamacare” would crush job creation and push unemployment higher. In reality, 2014 was the best year for American job creation since the ’90s; the unemployment has shown sharp improvement; and there’s literally no evidence that the ACA had an adverse effect on economic growth at all.
 
Failed Prediction #5: Even if Americans enrolled, they won’t pay their premiums
 
When the evidence started looking good for the ACA, Republicans got a little desperate, looking for ways to downplay good news, and the “people won’t pay their premiums” talking point took root. It was, however, completely wrong.
 
Failed Prediction #6: Even if people pay their premiums, the flawed ACA structure will send premiums soaring
 
Those hoping to see the American system fail counted on soaring insurance premiums. This just hasn’t happened and the ACA model has proven to be quite effective.
 
Failed Prediction #7: The ACA won’t reduce the uninsured rate because it will only help those who already have coverage
 
This was a GOP favorite for quite a while, right up until the evidence proved the right had this backwards, too.
 
Failed Prediction #8: The ACA will lead to a “net loss” on overall coverage
 
This line was pushed by House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) for a while, with the Republican leader arguing a year ago that “Obamacare” would end coverage for more people than it would expand coverage to, “a net loss.” Boehner said, “I actually do believe that to be the case.” As it turns out, his actual beliefs were ridiculously wrong.
 
Failed Prediction #9: The ACA will lead to higher deficits and a weaker fiscal footing for the nation
 
One of the projections that never sat well for Republicans, who sometimes pretend to care about the deficit, was that “Obamacare” would reduce the nation’s deficit by hundreds of billions of dollars in the coming years. The GOP assumed the non-partisan budget analyses were wrong and proceeded to tell the country the law would make the deficit larger and “bankrupt” the country. According to the Congressional Budget Office, however, Republicans got this backwards, too. In fact, the overall price tag of the ACA is now smaller than previously projected.
 
Failed Prediction #10: Americans will end up hating the coverage they receive through the ACA
 
Customer satisfaction rates came as a huge surprise to Republicans, who expected the opposite results: “A majority of Americans give good reviews for insurance they recently acquired through government exchanges within the past year, a new poll shows. With the second round of Obamacare enrollment set to begin on Saturday, 71 percent said their coverage through the exchanges was good or excellent, according to a Gallup poll released Friday. Another 19 percent said the coverage was fair, while 9 percent rated it poorly.”
 
That’s 10 failed predictions and we could keep going. ACA critics were wrong about the “death spiral.” And “rate shock.” And the notion that young people wouldn’t enroll. And assertions that Medicare patients would suffer. None of these predictions – literally, none of them – stood up to scrutiny.
 
Making matters slightly worse, five years later, none of the prominent figures in Republican politics who were wrong are willing to take responsibility for their failed predictions. On the contrary, there’s apparently no real accountability at all – the same GOP policymakers who’ve been wrong about every aspect of the debate haven’t even tried to offer an explanation for their mistakes and misjudgments. They’re far too busy scheduling dozens of floor votes to repeal the successful law and have neither the time nor the inclination to explain their abysmal predictive powers and fact-free critiques (or offer a credible alternative).
 
The debate has descended into an unsatisfying dialog between those who can point to evidence and those who say the law is a “disaster” out of habit, without regard for substance or reality.
 
Five years after the White House signing ceremony, however, the facts are not in dispute among those who choose to see them.

:obama

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2015, 02:13:22 PM

Well to be fair on ACA, putting a penalty for not signing up (which should be illegal) probably helped spike that number.


Let's talk about them deductibles though.....:ufup

Title: The Lone Ranger of the Apocalypse and his Jewish sidekick eschaTonto
Post by: Mandark on March 23, 2015, 06:54:10 PM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

Yup yup yup.  Not just the Christian millenarians, but also the hawks who see Israel as fighting against an undifferentiated Muslim-Arab-Persian-brown-terrorist threat.

When your worldview revolves around dehumanizing the members of other cultures to the point where mass slaughter is justified, you're no real friend of the Jews, no matter who your current bogeyman is or how much you pretend to give a shit about antisemitism in France.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Sausage on March 23, 2015, 07:47:26 PM

It's going to be so fun to watch Ted Cruz to try and run for president.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2015, 08:17:46 PM

Not sure I'd underestimate him, at least not for the primaries. He's a better debater and will raise more money than the other fringe candidates (Carson/Huckabee/Santorum/Jindal/etc). And there are a good amount of southern primaries early scheduled, especially in March.

Still think Scott Walker will be the nominee though.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2015, 08:17:59 PM

Quote from: Sausage on March 23, 2015, 07:47:26 PM

It's going to be so fun to watch Ted Cruz to try and run for president.

And imagine the fun when he is President.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Sausage on March 23, 2015, 08:25:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 23, 2015, 08:17:46 PM

Not sure I'd underestimate him, at least not for the primaries. He's a better debater and will raise more money than the other fringe candidates (Carson/Huckabee/Santorum/Jindal/etc). And there are a good amount of southern primaries early scheduled, especially in March.

Still think Scott Walker will be the nominee though.

Exactly why I think it's going to be fun. He's not going to trip over himself and fall like the Perry's of the world and he's a great republican in that all of the shit he spews plays really well with the base so he'll get a decent amount of funding and support. I'll be able to just sit back and enjoy the fireworks.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2015, 08:35:01 PM

https://news.yahoo.com/fictional-tv-presidents-more-popular-obama-reuters-ipsos-053009188.html

Quote

A Reuters-Ipsos poll taken this month found 54 percent of Americans held an unfavorable opinion of Obama, known for his cool and cautious presidential style, while 46 percent were favorable.

In contrast, asked to imagine that David Palmer of "24" was president, 89 percent of those who had seen the real-time Fox counterterrorism drama said they held a favorable rating of the decisive president played by Dennis Haysbert.

Martin Sheen's Jed Bartlet of "The West Wing" - beloved by Democrats, including many who work in Obama's White House - was rated favorably by 82 percent of its NBC viewers.

In the dark universe of "Battlestar Galactica" on SyFy, president Laura Roslin, played by Mary McDonnell, drew a 78 percent favorable rating among fans of her quest to find earth and escape the Cylons, a race of humanoid killer robots.

...

Of those who watch ABC's steamy drama "Scandal," 60 percent had a favorable view of Fitzgerald "Fitz" Grant, the philandering, scotch-swilling president played by Tony Goldwyn.

Frank Underwood also beat Obama.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

In "House of Cards," Underwood, played by Kevin Spacey, kills a passed-out congressman by leaving him in a running car in a garage, and pushes a journalist into the path of a subway train.

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Imagining Spacey's scheming character as president, 57 percent of respondents who have seen the Netflix political thriller said they held a favorable opinion of him.

...

There was one result from the online poll, conducted from March 5 to 19, that could give some solace to Obama: He is more popular with Americans than Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Seventy-six percent of Americans had an unfavorable view of Putin, according to the poll, while 24 percent were favorable.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 23, 2015, 10:54:56 PM

Quote from: Sausage on March 23, 2015, 07:47:26 PM

It's going to be so fun to watch Ted Cruz to try and run for president.

I guess it shows how little I care for politics anymore, but yesterday was my first time ever seeing the man. I've only read about him online.

This is very superficial (but most presidential choices usually are), but he looks 'off'. His face is weird.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 23, 2015, 11:12:15 PM

It's the eyebrows.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 12:01:21 AM

Yes!
The first republican announces his presidential bid and he's:
- A canadian born American with a latino last name that's anti-immigration
- Anti-climate change
- Anti- Healthcare
- Says he'll shut down the IRS
- Says he'll shut down the education department

AiA this election is going to be AWESOME!!! :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2015, 12:55:02 AM

Quote from: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/ted-cruz-liberty-university-yik-yak/

Attendance at Cruz's speech was mandatory for all Liberty students.

:heh

Also, somebody please photoshop Cruz's American flag tear drop onto a picture of an eagle, please:

(http://i.imgur.com/f8JMtzV.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Fortus on March 24, 2015, 04:01:52 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

Fun fact: Some ultraorthodox Jews actually conspire with 'terrorists' to bring about the demise of the contemporary nation of Israel. Since Ben Gurion wasn't of the House of David the current state is an abomination and directly insults YHVH (please don't cast stones...)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2015, 08:37:35 AM

Cruz's dad has said Ted has been chosen by God to be president and anyone who criticizes Ted will be condemned by God. :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2015, 08:48:31 AM

I can speak for all my black republican constituents...

...arbitrary...

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/There-Are-Dozens-of-Us-Tobias-Funke-Arrested-Development.gif)


That none of us want Cruz anywhere near the White House.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2015, 09:19:01 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 24, 2015, 08:37:35 AM

Cruz's dad has said Ted has been chosen by God to be president and anyone who criticizes Ted will be condemned by God. :heh

Yeah, Rafeal Cruz is a real loon. It's going to be fun to watch him completely destroy his son's [admittedly small] chances.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

He fought for Castro during the Cuban revolution. :heh

[close]

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2015, 09:21:04 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 23, 2015, 11:12:15 PM

It's the eyebrows.

He has resting concern troll face.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2015, 10:18:44 AM

https://vine.co/v/MMVTYBhqVOd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2015, 01:52:11 PM

Yeah, Cruz is one of the most annoying dudes in politics, doubly so if you happen to disagree with him on anything.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2015, 02:27:29 PM

http://www.salon.com/2015/03/24/ted_cruz_i_stopped_liking_rock_music_after_911/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

(http://i.imgur.com/MKqsEg3.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2015, 03:14:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WMBhMTVfV0

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Rufus on March 24, 2015, 04:23:51 PM

Fun With Country Music (http://www.theunticket.com/fun-with-country-music-2-12-14/)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2015, 05:56:38 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-to-sign-up-obamacare-insurance

Republican presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), whose push to defund Obamacare led to a government shutdown, now plans to get insured through the federal exchange.

"We will presumably go on the exchange and sign up for health care and we're in the process of transitioning over to do that," Cruz told the Des Moines Register on Tuesday.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 24, 2015, 06:47:58 PM

Quote from: Fortus on March 24, 2015, 04:01:52 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

Fun fact: Some ultraorthodox Jews actually conspire with 'terrorists' to bring about the demise of the contemporary nation of Israel. Since Ben Gurion wasn't of the House of David the current state is an abomination and directly insults YHVH (please don't cast stones...)

This doesn't sound like fun OR a fact. :what

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2015, 09:10:58 PM

Quote from: Fortus on March 24, 2015, 04:01:52 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

Fun fact: Some ultraorthodox Jews actually conspire with 'terrorists' to bring about the demise of the contemporary nation of Israel. Since Ben Gurion wasn't of the House of David the current state is an abomination and directly insults YHVH (please don't cast stones...)

(http://i.imgur.com/Yt3vzFt.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2015, 09:30:09 PM

Quote from: Ted Cruz

You know, music is interesting. I grew up listening to classic rock, and I’ll tell you sort of an odd story. My music tastes changed on 9/11.  And it’s a very strange — I actually intellectually find this very curious. But on 9/11, I didn’t like how rock music responded. And country music collectively, the way they responded, it resonated with me. And I have to say, it just as a gut level — I had an emotional reaction that says, ‘These are my people.’ And so ever since 2001, I listen to country music.

First, this is obviously a crazy way to approach music.  But if he means mainstream classic rock (a reasonable assumption given his age and cacness), it's doubly insane.  There were at least two huge benefit concerts involving Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, etc.  I'd get a bit misty if I rewatched David Bowie doing "Heroes" at the big concert in NY, dedicating it to first repsonders.

Also early aughts Toby Keith-Charlie Daniels jingocountry was the worst fucking music.  Just awful.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 24, 2015, 09:45:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2015, 09:30:09 PM

Quote from: Ted Cruz

You know, music is interesting. I grew up listening to classic rock, and I’ll tell you sort of an odd story. My music tastes changed on 9/11.  And it’s a very strange — I actually intellectually find this very curious. But on 9/11 I didn’t like how rock music responded. And country music collectively, the way they responded, it resonated with me. And I have to say, it just as a gut level — I had an emotional reaction that says, ‘These are my people.’ And so ever since 2001, I listen to country music.

First, this is obviously a crazy way to approach music.  But if he means mainstream classic rock (a reasonable assumption given his age and cacness), it's doubly insane.  There were at least two huge benefit concerts involving Tom Petty, Bruce Springsteen, Paul McCartney, etc.  I'd get a bit misty if I rewatched David Bowie doing "Heroes" at the big concert in NY, dedicating it to first repsonders.

Also early aughts Toby Keith-Charlie Daniels jingocountry was the worst fucking music.  Just awful.

How willing were your false gods to put a boot in an Arab ass tho?

Edit: Just getting off two weeks of pneumonia, that probably didn't make sense but neither do I

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2015, 11:29:04 PM

Of all the things a presidential candidate could have an opinion on, I'd consider his taste in music in the weeks post 9/11 one of the most important.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 24, 2015, 11:37:21 PM

That is literally some Tobias Fünke shit.

"Well, I don't wanna blame it all on 9/11."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2015, 11:40:24 PM

I have a feeling he's gonna bless me with some epic trolls on hip hop music+Obama.
:rejoice

shout outs to Marco Rubio for being a 2pac stan btw

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2015, 11:47:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4HDoyNDT7U

lol what

there were so many other ways to answer this softball question

i still don't know what we're doing if i go over on saturday night

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAmpSxaYNIk

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2015, 11:49:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfU3hI8ML30

this is still amazing, how does this not have 1 million plus views

Quote

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2015, 11:59:25 PM

By the end of the decade Toby Keith was telling people he had always been against the Iraq war, which is a nice microcosm of that whole clusterfuck.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 12:06:18 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-03-24/on-global-warming-ted-cruz-says-he-s-galileo-not-a-flat-earther

Quote

"Today the global warming alarmists are the equivalent of the flat-Earthers," Cruz said. "You know it used to be it is accepted scientific wisdom the Earth is flat, and this heretic named Galileo was branded a denier."

Cruz says he trusts satellite data that he believes shows that the Earth's temperatures have held steady over the past 17 years.

"Anyone who actually points to the evidence that disproves their apocalyptical claims, they don't engage in reasoned debate. What do they do? They scream, 'You're a denier.' They brand you a heretic," Cruz added.

...

Cruz maintained that the U.S. shouldn't turn to government regulation that would raise energy prices in order to try and combat climate change.

"We shouldn't be causing millions of hard working men and women to have their energy bills go through the roof," he said. "It causes real harm and suffering when people all across this country lose jobs because the federal government wants to take control of aspects of our lives."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2015, 12:10:10 AM

Can't tell if quoting to ridicule or agree...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 25, 2015, 12:16:50 AM

Conflict Thesis :blessed

being used by American conservatives, wait what?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 12:19:08 AM

Since you've been away for a while. I'll recap in case my views have changed since we last discussed.

I can't agree with anyone who uses the Galileo thing, which even the news story uses to explain the reference. He got in trouble with the Church for insulting it like every other week. His scientific theories weren't even controversial at the time. Even flat Earthers weren't dominant in their time!

I don't agree with the "pause" caterwauling conservatives do.

I obviously agree with the regulation thing. Like what's his face, Bjorn Lumberg? And I have problems with the methodology.

If the data shows global warming is occurring I'm cool* with that, I just have some questions about the extent to which man plays a role and that relates to the methodology.

*see what i did there, COOL

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2015, 12:57:09 AM

Ugh, Bjorn Lomborg.  If you care about methodology and shit, Lomborg is not your dude.  I've probably got a tl;dr post in me about him, but I'm gonna make some hot chocolate.  I'd need the sugar.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I had to look him up to make sure it was who I was thinking of and not the COSMIC RAYS!!! guy (that's Henrik Svensmark).

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 01:03:44 AM

Oh, I don't mean his science or anything (I don't even remember what his field is and I am refusing to look it up on principle) just the stance about how there are things we should be focusing on that we can do now with fairly little effort and improve lives, like fresh water, expanding electricity into Africa, using already existing technologies to reduce pollution as China and India grow, denting AIDS rates in Africa etc. rather than chasing schemes that even some climate crisis people admit wouldn't do much of anything.

That's the last of him I've ever heard about, though he's not the only one to take that stance (there were some similar arguments in the 1970s against the anti-nuclear movement) he was one of the first as stuff like TED Talks (I'm using this as an example, do not take as endorsement of TED) took off who was arguing that a lot of discussion focuses on things we can't really do anything impactful on when we have stuff like golden rice that can easily do a lot for people now. But that the main problem is those things don't fire up people in the West anywhere near as much, especially when there isn't money in it.

Plus he looks like Gordon Ramsey. And dresses like him too.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 25, 2015, 01:27:10 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2015, 11:59:25 PM

By the end of the decade Toby Keith was telling people he had always been against the Iraq war, which is a nice microcosm of that whole clusterfuck.

Even John Kerry was for the war before he was against the war. :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 02:04:06 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 25, 2015, 01:27:10 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2015, 11:59:25 PM

By the end of the decade Toby Keith was telling people he had always been against the Iraq war, which is a nice microcosm of that whole clusterfuck.

Even John Kerry was for the war before he was against the war. :american

You just don't understand the nuance, let me spend 20 minutes to explain it to the people here at Wendy's.

/Kerry campaign

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2015, 02:37:13 AM

Almost everyone would agree with the general premise: society ought to spend its resources in the most effective ways possible.

Problem with Lomborg is that he's sloppy about examining that problem, and wildly overconfident in how he presents the results.  Know how you always throw shade at publicized "studies" that don't come near to actually proving the headline conclusion?  Lomborg's basically doing a bunch of back-of-the-napkin calculations then presenting the results as definitive costs and benefits of huge global policies, helpfully denominated in dollars.  I mean, look at this shit (http://www.copenhagenconsensus.com/sites/default/files/2004copenhagen_consensus_result_final.pdf).  And here's (http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/does-military-intervention-work-) his think tank using the same reasoning to see if military intervention is effective (spoiler: it totally is!).

Plus the underlying assumption that there's a zero-sum game between limiting carbon emissions and fighting AIDS/easing immigration laws/etc.  And the tendency to compare real-world policies which have at least survived part of the political process (eg Kyoto) to the Platonic ideal of "improve nutrition."  Because helping to feed the global poor would definitely be implemented quickly, smoothly, efficiently, and without any sort of political interference.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 04:11:30 AM

Okay, fuck Lomborg then, even if he does look like Gordon Ramsey. I didn't even read his book.

I still think climate crisis "solutions" are too nebulous to be as effective as deploying resources to areas we already have a handle on. A stronger case could probably be made for reducing carbon emissions outside of the climate crisis. Especially with all the doomsday stuff that makes it seem already like we've already been defeated. I was watching a segment a week or so ago (in a waiting room) on MSNBC/CNN or something where all the guests basically talked as if the GOP Congress not taking action meant we were all dead in a hundred years* from it and there was no turning back. And they played a clip of Al Gore at some recent conference saying the same thing that we lost our opportunity five years ago or some shit. That fatalism seems counter-productive. Unlike the fact that the state is going to round us up into camps, Hillary Clinton just the other day announced that she wanted to force adults into camps.

*Technically true I suppose.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 05:22:03 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ-O2UqWQBg

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Lindsey Graham discusses the ongoing international diplomatic process on Iran’s nuclear program.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on March 25, 2015, 10:49:50 AM

i dunno, benji may have a legit concern here:

http://allnewspipeline.com/FEMA_Death_Domes_Pop_Up_Across_Texas.php

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 10:57:32 AM

(http://allnewspipeline.com/images/femadeathcamp.jpeg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2015, 12:13:53 PM

Mad Max Beyond FEMA Death Dome

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Steve Contra on March 25, 2015, 12:16:10 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 10:57:32 AM

(http://allnewspipeline.com/images/femadeathcamp.jpeg)

Someone should break it to those people that the Jews are behind FEMA #protocol57

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2015, 12:46:27 PM

I wish those FEMA death camps actually were real, so that all those loons would finally get rounded up and put away somewhere that I don't have to accidentally see their nonsense occasionally.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2015, 02:12:22 PM

GOP Primary 2016: So many clowns, such a small car

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2015, 02:20:34 PM

Only 6 million Jews died during the Holocaust, but how many more Americans have died spiritually due to Obama's handouts?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2015, 02:31:56 PM

pretty baffled that Carson and his people would greenlight a GQ piece. Those quotes are insane.
:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2015, 03:06:38 PM

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Carson heard some noise from a construction site, and he flinched. "Was that machine-gun fire?" he asked.

:rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2015, 03:19:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2015, 02:31:56 PM

pretty baffled that Carson and his people would greenlight a GQ piece. Those quotes are insane.
:dead

I think he may be permanently stuck in "CPAC Applause Line" mode.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2015, 03:45:54 PM

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"If that's true, and if I accept the figures that the gentlewoman, the ranking member of the committee, said of the number of people who are on ObamaCare, Affordable Care Act, about 12 [million]. If you just do simple multiplication, 12 million into $108 billion, we're talking literally every single recipient would be costing this government more than $5 million per person for their insurance. It's staggering," Sessions said.

"If it really is true that everybody that is on this Affordable Care Act, that the true cost, cost to the taxpayer, is over $5 million for each person, then shame on us. For not knowing, asking, and understanding," Sessions added.

However, $108 billion divided by 12 million is only $9,000.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Rufus on March 25, 2015, 03:53:08 PM

I move to demote the term "neurosurgeon" to "brain mechanic".

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2015, 03:58:58 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 25, 2015, 03:45:54 PM

Quote

"If that's true, and if I accept the figures that the gentlewoman, the ranking member of the committee, said of the number of people who are on ObamaCare, Affordable Care Act, about 12 [million]. If you just do simple multiplication, 12 million into $108 billion, we're talking literally every single recipient would be costing this government more than $5 million per person for their insurance. It's staggering," Sessions said.

"If it really is true that everybody that is on this Affordable Care Act, that the true cost, cost to the taxpayer, is over $5 million for each person, then shame on us. For not knowing, asking, and understanding," Sessions added.

However, $108 billion divided by 12 million is only $9,000.

12 million times $5 million is $60,000,000,000,000. Or $60 trillion, 15 times greater than Obama's 2015 budget proposal.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 04:00:01 PM

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The woman answered Carson's question about political parties, telling him that there were Labor and Likud and a host of other factions in the Knesset. "And what is the role of the Knesset?"

"Who is this Knesset fellow to tell Israelis what to do, don't they have the right to defend their homeland like we have the right to defend our homelands, our bodies, from the evils of ObamaCare? Thank you and God Bless America."

*walks away from interview as if there's a cheering crowd to wave to and imaginary peoples hands to shake*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 08:53:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr80pzlBZdM

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 25, 2015, 08:57:12 PM

Even though it will accomplish nothing, I'm going to convince a group of liberal arts college drama students to gatecrash a Ben Carson event with a performance of "The Jewish Wife," "Judicial Process," and "The Chalk Cross."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 09:00:57 PM

If you wanted to actually accomplish something you'd have them read BA's synthesis outloud instead.

Or make noises to remind Carson of the time he was under machine gun fire in Ferguson after his chopper was shot down by black youths.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 25, 2015, 11:07:51 PM

Pretty sure the jews DID think it would happen but all the foreskinners said nope and closed their boarders. 

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 11:45:36 PM

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‘But what about the evident similarity between your “valuations” and the market prices of a capitalist economy?’ asked Boyarskii, who was sounding rather strained.

‘It’s true that there is a formal resemblance,’ said Leonid Vitalevich. ‘But they have a completely different origin, and therefore a completely different meaning. Whereas market prices are formed spontaneously, objective valuations — shadow prices — must be computed on the basis of an optimal plan. As the plan targets change, the valuations change. They are subordinate to the very different production relationships of a socialist society. Yet, yet, the scope for their use is actually bigger under socialism. The capitalists actually agree with you, Dr Boyarskii, that the mathematical methods we’re talking about should only be applied on the small scale, on the level of the individual firm. They have no choice: there is no larger structure, in the economy of West Germany or the United States, in which they can be set to work. They have had some success, I believe. I’m sorry to say that, since George Danzig and Tjalling Koopmans made their discoveries of “linear programming” in America during the war, the techniques have been adopted there far more eagerly, far more quickly, than in the Soviet Union. Linear programmers in the USA calculate routes for airlines, and devise the investment policies of Wall Street corporations. But we still have an opportunity before us which is closed to the capitalists. Capitalism cannot calculate an optimum for a whole economy at once. We can. There is a fundamental harmony between optimal planning and the nature of socialist society.

:-* kara

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 25, 2015, 11:48:18 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 25, 2015, 11:07:51 PM

Pretty sure the jews DID think it would happen but all the foreskinners said nope and closed their boarders.

Emanuel Bronner's parents didn't.

The last time he heard from them was a note saying "yeah, we :ufup".

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 26, 2015, 12:54:38 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 25, 2015, 11:07:51 PM

Pretty sure the jews DID think it would happen but all the foreskinners said nope and closed their boarders. 

Yeah, but Border's had been on the verge of bankruptcy for a while, so it wasn't that surprising.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 01:37:40 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillarys-nerd-squad-116402.html

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Hillary Clinton is assembling a technology team that signals a significant departure from her 2008 presidential run, led by Obama veterans and geared toward recasting her analog-era image.

With the hiring of 2012 Obama campaign alumni Teddy Goff as chief digital strategist, Elan Kriegel as analytics director and Andrew Bleeker as a top outside adviser, the campaign is indicating a greater emphasis on the kinds of cutting-edge techniques that both parties now routinely use to tap into every possible fundraising dollar and seek out every available voter. Just as important, the new hires point to a candidate who’s learned from a 2008 campaign marked by its inability to harness technology to its advantage.

The presumptive Democratic front-runner is building a New York-based campaign that senior party operatives say could ultimately be staffed with more than 1,000 data geeks, techies and digital gurus. Interviews for more tech-focused slots are happening “on the half hour for what will be dozens of early hires,” one longtime Clinton aide explained of the operation, which could see its technology fleet grow roughly three times larger than Obama’s 2012 reelection effort.

...

“All those guys are great,” Harper Reed, Obama’s 2012 chief technology officer, said of the Clinton hires. “If that’s who they are picking then they’re focused on the right thing. They’re not focused on B.S. politics. They’re focused on how to get this shit done. And they know it’s going to be hard because Republicans are focused on the same thing.”

Goff, who had a pivotal role shaping Obama’s reelection campaign in 2012, is also expected to have a direct line to Clinton that should give his tech team better leverage during the shaping of budgets, public messaging and ad buys. Goff, who did not respond to requests for comment, said in an interview last summer that he thought Clinton was already doing a solid job building her tech credentials in the aftermath of the 2008 campaign
.
“They get it,” Goff told POLITICO last June. “And they don’t get it in a ‘Check the box, I get it’ way.”

Taken together, the Clinton team constitutes a who’s who of the Democratic digital world. Bleeker, who handled online advertising for her 2008 primary campaign before moving into Obama’s orbit for the general election, founded the Democratic tech firm Bully Pulpit Interactive. He returned to work for Obama in the 2012 campaign and also partnered with Mook on the McAuliffe 2013 race. Dowd has some of the closest direct ties to Clinton after serving most recently as her senior tech adviser at the Clinton Foundation, as new media director at the State Department and as digital fundraising chief during the 2008 campaign — when she helped raise more than $100 million. Dowd’s close relationship with Clinton “will empower the rest of the squad,” said one Democratic tech operative.

...

While Clinton has started building an “A-team” of Democratic tech experts, Rasiej, the founder of civic tech non-profit Personal Democracy Media, warned that she still faces a much bigger challenge showing that she’s “engaged, present, listening, involved and understanding the two-way dynamic of the medium.”

“If they build a fortress around her and they’re tweeting and videotaping from a fortress,” he said, “the public will notice.”

So Hillary will build a fortress for herself but won't build a fortress on our border to keep out the illegals from stealing our welfare and our elections. This used to be a great country like in 1884 and 1924 when important things got done without any of this brain dead gadgetry.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 26, 2015, 03:33:09 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 25, 2015, 11:45:36 PM

Quote

‘But what about the evident similarity between your “valuations” and the market prices of a capitalist economy?’ asked Boyarskii, who was sounding rather strained.

‘It’s true that there is a formal resemblance,’ said Leonid Vitalevich. ‘But they have a completely different origin, and therefore a completely different meaning. Whereas market prices are formed spontaneously, objective valuations — shadow prices — must be computed on the basis of an optimal plan. As the plan targets change, the valuations change. They are subordinate to the very different production relationships of a socialist society. Yet, yet, the scope for their use is actually bigger under socialism. The capitalists actually agree with you, Dr Boyarskii, that the mathematical methods we’re talking about should only be applied on the small scale, on the level of the individual firm. They have no choice: there is no larger structure, in the economy of West Germany or the United States, in which they can be set to work. They have had some success, I believe. I’m sorry to say that, since George Danzig and Tjalling Koopmans made their discoveries of “linear programming” in America during the war, the techniques have been adopted there far more eagerly, far more quickly, than in the Soviet Union. Linear programmers in the USA calculate routes for airlines, and devise the investment policies of Wall Street corporations. But we still have an opportunity before us which is closed to the capitalists. Capitalism cannot calculate an optimum for a whole economy at once. We can. There is a fundamental harmony between optimal planning and the nature of socialist society.

:-* kara

Red Plenty is atomicpunk for tankies. :yuck

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 26, 2015, 04:22:38 AM

Quote

atomicpunk for tankies.

 :mouf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 10:57:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtNiKpJiD-8

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 26, 2015, 11:49:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 01:37:40 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/hillarys-nerd-squad-116402.html

Quote

Hillary Clinton is assembling a technology team that signals a significant departure from her 2008 presidential run, led by Obama veterans and geared toward recasting her analog-era image.

With the hiring of 2012 Obama campaign alumni Teddy Goff as chief digital strategist, Elan Kriegel as analytics director and Andrew Bleeker as a top outside adviser, the campaign is indicating a greater emphasis on the kinds of cutting-edge techniques that both parties now routinely use to tap into every possible fundraising dollar and seek out every available voter. Just as important, the new hires point to a candidate who’s learned from a 2008 campaign marked by its inability to harness technology to its advantage.

The presumptive Democratic front-runner is building a New York-based campaign that senior party operatives say could ultimately be staffed with more than 1,000 data geeks, techies and digital gurus. Interviews for more tech-focused slots are happening “on the half hour for what will be dozens of early hires,” one longtime Clinton aide explained of the operation, which could see its technology fleet grow roughly three times larger than Obama’s 2012 reelection effort.

...

“All those guys are great,” Harper Reed, Obama’s 2012 chief technology officer, said of the Clinton hires. “If that’s who they are picking then they’re focused on the right thing. They’re not focused on B.S. politics. They’re focused on how to get this shit done. And they know it’s going to be hard because Republicans are focused on the same thing.”

Goff, who had a pivotal role shaping Obama’s reelection campaign in 2012, is also expected to have a direct line to Clinton that should give his tech team better leverage during the shaping of budgets, public messaging and ad buys. Goff, who did not respond to requests for comment, said in an interview last summer that he thought Clinton was already doing a solid job building her tech credentials in the aftermath of the 2008 campaign
.
“They get it,” Goff told POLITICO last June. “And they don’t get it in a ‘Check the box, I get it’ way.”

Taken together, the Clinton team constitutes a who’s who of the Democratic digital world. Bleeker, who handled online advertising for her 2008 primary campaign before moving into Obama’s orbit for the general election, founded the Democratic tech firm Bully Pulpit Interactive. He returned to work for Obama in the 2012 campaign and also partnered with Mook on the McAuliffe 2013 race. Dowd has some of the closest direct ties to Clinton after serving most recently as her senior tech adviser at the Clinton Foundation, as new media director at the State Department and as digital fundraising chief during the 2008 campaign — when she helped raise more than $100 million. Dowd’s close relationship with Clinton “will empower the rest of the squad,” said one Democratic tech operative.

...

While Clinton has started building an “A-team” of Democratic tech experts, Rasiej, the founder of civic tech non-profit Personal Democracy Media, warned that she still faces a much bigger challenge showing that she’s “engaged, present, listening, involved and understanding the two-way dynamic of the medium.”

“If they build a fortress around her and they’re tweeting and videotaping from a fortress,” he said, “the public will notice.”

So Hillary will build a fortress for herself but won't build a fortress on our border to keep out the illegals from stealing our welfare and our elections. This used to be a great country like in 1884 and 1924 when important things got done without any of this brain dead gadgetry.

I've seen the data machine that the Obama campaign used. And I've also seen the data "machine" that Romney used.
Data is what will win you elections. In this case, the dems understand and have that market cornered.
When it comes to data technology Republicans are like a promoter trying to sell out a Radio City Music Hall with nothing but B tier christian rock bands.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2015, 11:58:55 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 26, 2015, 11:49:46 PM

And I've also seen the data "machine" that Romney used.

Yeah, we could all see him on TV dude.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 27, 2015, 12:01:02 AM

Seriously though, you'd think someone in charge of an investment firm and all that would know how to hire someone to do data analysis.
As I understand it, their data machine never actually fully got off the ground and it was millions over budget.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2015, 12:57:32 AM

IIRC, all their campaign infrastructure was like that.

The Paul campaign was the only one that actually prepared for the primaries start to finish. And had a general election budget strategy, even if unlikely to ever be used.

Everyone else was assuming they could buy a campaign up later, which was how it traditionally worked. (Though 1996 and 2004 should have really made it clear that's not the case anymore against an incumbent.)

Santorum and Gingrich's campaigns didn't even remember to file to get on the ballot in a bunch of states, Gingrich most of all, there wasn't even really any campaign except for his showing up at debates and whatever Sheldon Adelson was throwing money away on.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2015, 12:59:08 AM

I think Mitt's post-politics career as a comedian is going much better though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHCFqjxpuPY

spoiler (click to show/hide)

HA HAHAHA

[close]

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2015, 08:07:12 AM

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Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) announced Friday he would not seek reelection, a decision that upends the hierarchy in the Senate Democratic Caucus and the political landscape in Nevada.

In a farewell video, Reid, 75, cited his brutal eye injury in January as the reason he decided to forgo a Senate race next year.

"I've had time to ponder and to think," Reid said.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2015, 09:10:05 AM

It would be nice to see some new blood in the Dem leadership, but the most likely move is to shift Durbin or Schumer into the top spot.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2015, 09:21:06 AM

Obligatory Harry Reid story:

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In 1977, O’Callaghan appointed him to the chairmanship of the Nevada Gaming Commission, which oversees casinos, and that was an experience that made his other work look easy. Before Reid took the job, O’Callaghan introduced him to the outgoing chairman, Peter Echeverria. “Pete was telling us, ‘I’ve had people out here watching me, these gangsters,’ and he said, ‘I think they’ve tapped my phone,’ ” Reid recalled. “I thought he was making all this stuff up. It just didn’t make sense. I had no concept of the Mob. It meant nothing to me.” There had been a decrease in Mob activity, but organized crime was again investing in Las Vegas, and for four years Reid confronted wiseguys like Tony (the Ant) Spilotro, who had been sent to Las Vegas by a Chicago branch of La Cosa Nostra, “the Outfit,” and was known for killing his victims by squeezing their heads in a vise. In 1979, Reid barred Spilotro from all casinos.

In July of 1978, a man named Jack Gordon, who was later married to LaToya Jackson, offered Reid twelve thousand dollars to approve two new, carnival-like gaming devices for casino use. Reid reported the attempted bribe to the F.B.I. and arranged a meeting with Gordon in his office. By agreement, F.B.I. agents burst in to arrest Gordon at the point where Reid asked, “Is this the money?” Although he was taking part in a sting, Reid was unable to control his temper; the videotape shows him getting up from his chair and saying, “You son of a bitch, you tried to bribe me!” and attempting to choke Gordon, before startled agents pulled him off. “I was so angry with him for thinking he could bribe me,” Reid said, explaining his theatrical outburst. Gordon was convicted in federal court in 1979 and sentenced to six months in prison.

One day in 1981, Landra Reid noticed that the family station wagon was not running properly, and she discovered a cable under the hood and “something” sticking out of the gas tank. Police found a device that would have exploded had it been correctly grounded.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 27, 2015, 04:22:53 PM

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Reid endorsed New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, the third-ranking Democrat, within hours of his announcement.

Called it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 27, 2015, 10:46:38 PM

You can tell those people are completely stable because their video titles are in all caps.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: ZephyrFate on March 28, 2015, 12:35:57 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on March 22, 2015, 02:28:31 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 21, 2015, 01:32:21 PM

I think a lot of Americans mistakenly think of Israel as an American aircraft carrier, ergo not supporting it is not supporting America by proxy.

Please understand, these are people who objectify human beings to such a degree that the actualization of national self-determination is assessed by whether or not it facilitates the return of their god to judge the living and the dead like it's the Cadaver Synod outchea.

yeah, it's usually when reading theopolitical polemic from this camp that I start thinking "hmm, maybe the plot of xenogears wasn't so sophomoric after all"

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not give Xenogears' fucking stupid plot any sort of praise here. This stuff is EXACTLY as dumb as Xenogears' insipid, forced symbolism.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2015, 01:06:06 AM

The free ticket gets me $8 off of parking? HOW MUCH IS PARKING FOR THIS ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION TRAITOR SPANISH NO REAL QUESTIONS MEETING?!?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2015, 01:07:37 AM

lol at the host woman getting sucked into the USA! chanting for a moment out of confusion

and then it degrading into a guy who sounds like Homer Simpson being the only one saying it

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2015, 01:29:07 AM

why am i watching these videos

benjiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2015, 01:29:51 AM

omg BLACK ETHNIC CLEANSING :mindblown

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2015, 02:07:26 AM

the cop says "having said that" like six times in his explanation

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2015, 03:17:10 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 28, 2015, 01:46:41 AM

You're watching them because they are pure unfiltered :american entertainment

this is the kind of shit you hear behind closed doors when it's "just us cacs" :shaq2

ditto "jew landlords"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2015, 04:21:45 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/us/politics/no-copies-of-hillary-clinton-emails-on-server-lawyer-says.html
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/gowdy-clinton-wiped-her-server-clean-116472.html

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WASHINGTON — An examination of the server that housed the personal email account that Hillary Rodham Clinton used exclusively when she was secretary of state showed that there are no copies of any emails she sent during her time in office, her lawyer told a congressional committee on Friday.

After her representatives determined which emails were government-related and which were private, a setting on the account was changed to retain only emails sent in the previous 60 days, her lawyer, David Kendall, said. He said the setting was altered after she gave the records to the government.

“Thus, there are no hdr22@clintonemail.com emails from Secretary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state on the server for any review, even if such review were appropriate or legally authorized,” Mr. Kendall said in a letter to the House select committee investigating the 2012 attacks in Benghazi, Libya.

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“While it is not clear precisely when Secretary Clinton decided to permanently delete all emails from her server, it appears she made the decision after October 28, 2014, when the Department of State for the first time asked the Secretary to return her public record to the Department,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi, said in a statement.

...

Gowdy said that Clinton’s response to the subpoena means he and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) will now contemplate new legal actions against Clinton.

“After seeking and receiving a two week extension from the Committee, Secretary Clinton failed to provide a single new document to the subpoena issued by the Committee and refused to provide her private server to the Inspector General for the State Department or any other independent arbiter for analysis,” Gowdy said.

...

The broad subpoena from Gowdy included any emails relating to Libya, weapons located in the country, the Benghazi attacks and administration statements following the attacks on the compound.

:lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2015, 04:44:52 AM

:snoop

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2015, 09:18:18 AM

:zzz

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 28, 2015, 10:32:04 AM

Clinton doesn't give a shit :dead

:snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Yeti on March 28, 2015, 10:46:35 AM

Someone explain this Hillary email scandal. Republicans have cried wolf scandal so many times I don't really pay attention anymore.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 28, 2015, 10:55:49 AM

Quote from: Yeti on March 28, 2015, 10:46:35 AM

Someone explain this Hillary email scandal. Republicans have cried wolf scandal so many times I don't really pay attention anymore.

something something Benghazi

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2015, 10:56:21 AM

Quote from: Yeti on March 28, 2015, 10:46:35 AM

Someone explain this Hillary email scandal. Republicans have cried wolf scandal so many times I don't really pay attention anymore.

Hillary deleted all her e-mails which she was keeping on a private server instead of the State Departments to cover up her lesbian affair which she was having while Benghazi went down and went told that they were dying she said "then let them die." And then wiped the server clean.

While when turning over other e-mails to the State Department she sent them 55,000 pages of hard copies of the e-mails she determined were "work-related" but secretly hidden in those documents is Obama's REAL birth certificate instead of the forgery but they haven't got through even 1/10th of them yet.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2015, 11:48:56 AM

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The broad subpoena

Sexism!  :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 28, 2015, 05:00:03 PM

Quote from: Esch on March 28, 2015, 10:47:58 AM

Quote from: Vularai on March 28, 2015, 03:17:10 AM

Quote from: Esch on March 28, 2015, 01:46:41 AM

You're watching them because they are pure unfiltered :american entertainment

this is the kind of shit you hear behind closed doors when it's "just us cacs" :shaq2

ditto "jew landlords"

I'm a model minority who was in a frat in the south brav, you don't think I've heard this material before :hitler

No idea, California is enough of a hellhole and I'll be assed if I associate with Dixiecacs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: brawndolicious on March 29, 2015, 12:59:28 AM

I've rarely met a racist that hates all other races, most focus on how just one skin color/culture causes all this criminally delinquent behavior and they usually do shut up before I can respond. My only problem comes with flavor-of-the-month racists who are just ignorant and read something bad happening in xyz country that week. That's why sometimes when I people tell that I'm Iranian (rather than Persian) they compliment me on how much nicer and even better looking I am than they expected and then I hate them so much.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Eric P on March 29, 2015, 05:13:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/QILeC9x.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: brawndolicious on March 29, 2015, 06:03:59 PM

The Powers and Shelby case were just tragic, Powers was broken down completely even though he had no history of psychological issues. The end of the article might be too optimistic but hopefully those reforms end up being serious and prison-wide rather than just the ones listed on the lawsuit.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2015, 01:57:24 AM

Quote from: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/237313-cruz-i-was-not-a-community-organizer

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), the only major declared Republican presidential candidate, is defending his credentials as a freshman senator while pursuing a White House bid.

“Unlike Barack Obama, I was not a community organizer before I was elected to the Senate,” Cruz said during an interview aired on CNN's "State of the Union."

"I spent five-and-a-half years as the solicitor general of Texas," Cruz said. "I supervised and led every appeal for the state of Texas in a 4,000-person agency with over 700 lawyers. And over the course of five-and-a-half years, over and over Texas led the nation defending conservative principles and winning."
 
Cruz panned Obama, a fellow Harvard Law graduate, as a "backbencher" during his time in the Senate.

"There are a lot more noticeable differences between us than similarities," Cruz said.

Hey! Obama was a meaningless state legislator too!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 30, 2015, 02:44:57 AM

Being a lawyer in Texas is a negative, not a positive...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2015, 05:03:58 AM

He wasn't just a lawyer, he was the top lawyer for defending the state against those who mostly likely wanted to reduce government or achieve justice against it in some form! Er, I mean...defend conservative principles!

Ted didn't have a great batting average arguing at the Supreme Court:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Frew v. Hawkins (2004)

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In 1996, Linda Frew and other citizens settled a class-action lawsuit in federal district court against the Texas Health and Human Services Commission. Settlement was reached through a consent agree, in which the parties make an agreement that is subject to court supervision. As part of this consent decree, Texas was supposed to improve health care for poor children to comply with a federally mandated program called Early and Periodic Screening, Diagnosis and Treatment. Two years later, Frew and others remained unsatisfied that Texas was complying with the federal requirements, and asked the court to force Texas to create a plan for how it would improve health care. Texas refused, however, claiming that it was immune from the court order under the 11th Amendment, which provides for state sovereignty. Texas argued that because no federal rights had been violated, suit could not be brought in federal court. The Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed with Texas.

Decision: 9 votes for Frew, 0 vote(s) against
Legal provision: Amendment 11: Eleventh Amendment
Yes and no. In a unanimous opinion delivered by Justice Anthony Kennedy, the Court held that enforcement of the consent decree does not violate the 11th Amendment. The Court rejected the argument that a federal court cannot enforce a consent decree unless it finds a violation of federal law. "The decree here is a federal court order that springs from a federal dispute and furthers the objectives of federal law," Justice Kennedy wrote

Dretke v. Haley (2004)

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Haley was convicted in Texas state courts of a felony theft and sentenced as a habitual felony offender (extending his sentence). After a failed appeal to the Texas appellate court, Haley filed a state habeas application in the trial court, arguing that his past crimes did not qualify him as a habitual offender and that his attorney had provided ineffective counsel when he failed to object to the extended sentence. The court dismissed his claims on procedural grounds, because he had not raised the issue during his trial and therefore could not raise it in the habeas petition. The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals denied his habeas application based on the trial court's findings.

Haley then filed for habeas corpus relief in federal district court. Pointing to the procedural-default doctrine, Texas argued that Haley's claim was procedurally barred from federal habeas review. Under the procedural-default doctrine, federal courts cannot grant habeas relief if the last state court rejected the appeal for procedural violations of state law; the only exception is if the petitioner is actually innocent.

The district court held that Haley showed he was "actually innocent" of earlier violations on which his sentence enhancement was based. The court ruled that Haley's sentence was therefore improperly extended. It never reached his ineffective assistance of counsel claim, having already found grounds for overturning the extended sentence. The U.S. Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed, rejecting Texas's argument that the actual-innocence exception applies only to cases involving capital offenses.

Decision: 6 votes for Dretke, 3 vote(s) against
Legal provision:
The Court declined to answer the question presented, ruling instead that the district court should have first considered the ineffective assistance of counsel claim before reaching the question of whether the "actual innocence" exception applies to non-capital cases. Justice Sandra Day O'Connor, for a seven-member majority, wrote that the ineffective assistance of counsel claim would accomplish the same thing - the reduction of the sentence - without burdening the state with the need to prove the existence of all prior convictions beyond a reasonable doubt.

Medellin v. Dretke (2005)

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A Texas trial court sentenced Medellin, a Mexican citizen, to death for participating in the gang rape and murder of two girls in 1993. A state appeals court affirmed the conviction. Medellin then filed a state habeas corpus action, claiming that Texas failed to notify him of his right to counsel under the Vienna Convention. The state trial court and the appellate court rejected this claim. Medellin then filed a federal habeas petition, raising the Vienna Convention claim. The district court denied the petition. Medellin next appealed to the Fifth Circuit. Before the Fifth Circuit could rule, the International Court of Justice issued its decision in a case where Mexico had alleged the United States violated the Vienna Convention with respect to Medellin and other Mexican citizens facing the death penalty in the United States. The ICJ held that the United States had violated the individually enforceable rights guaranteed by Vienna and must reconsider the convictions. The Fifth Circuit rejected Medellin's appeal, citing its previous holdings that the Vienna Convention did not create an individually enforceable right. More than two months after the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear the case, President George W. Bush issued a memo requiring the United States to follow the ICJ's ruling by having state courts review the Mexicans' cases. Citing the memo and the ICJ ruling, Medellin filed a new appeal in a Texas state court.

Decision: 5 votes for Dretke, 4 vote(s) against
Legal provision:
In a 5-4 per curiam opinion, the Court held that Medellin had not exhausted his state court appeals and sent the case back to Texas state court.

League of Latin American Citizens v. Perry (2006)

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In 2003, the Texas State Legislature passed a redistricting plan that replaced the one created by a federal judge following the 2000 census. Critics of the plan charged that it was unconstitutional and violated section 2 the Voting Rights Act because it diluted racial minority voting strength and was designed to maximize partisan advantage. A three-judge district court panel disagreed, finding that the plan was constitutional and that the legislature had the right to redistrict in 2003 using census data from 2000.

The case was appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, but while it was pending the Court decided Vieth v. Jubelirer, another redistricting case from Pennsylvania. Justice Anthony Kennedy, the deciding vote in that case, wrote that the Court could hear claims of partisan discrimination in redistricting cases, but left open the question of the test those claims would be subjected to.

The three-district panel in this case then affirmed its earlier decision, finding that the Texas redistricting plan was not substantively unfair.

Decision: 5 votes for League of Latin American Citizens, 4 vote(s) against
Legal provision: Voting Rights Act of 1965
The Supreme Court held that the Texas Legislature's redistricting plan did not violate the Constitution, but that part of the plan violated the Voting Rights Act. Justice Anthony Kennedy, writing for a majority of the justices, stated that District 23 had been redrawn in such a way as to deny Latino voters as a group the opportunity to elect a candidate of their choosing, thereby violating the Voting Rights Act. Justice Kennedy also wrote, however, that nothing in the Constitution prevented the state from redrawing its electoral boundaries as many times as it wanted, so long as it did so at least once every ten years.

Smith v. Texas (2007)

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LaRoyce Smith was convicted of murder and sentenced to death. In 2004, the Supreme Court overturned his death sentence and sent the case back to state court because of a judge's improper jury instruction. (See Smith v. Texas, No. 04-5323.) Nevertheless, the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals re-imposed the sentence, holding that the erroneous instruction had not done any "egregious harm" to the fairness of Smith's sentencing. The Texas court found that the jury had still been able to consider all relevant mitigating evidence, despite the unconstitutional instruction. The Supreme Court agreed to review the case a second time.

Decision: 5 votes for Smith, 4 vote(s) against
Legal provision:
Unanswered and no. The Court ruled 5-4 that the jury instructions did not give meaningful effect to Smith's mitigating evidence, and that a subsequent corrective instruction was not sufficient to correct the error. The Texas court had ruled that because Smith had abandoned his objection to the instructions in the course of the proceedings, he must show that "egregious harm" had been done to his trial. The Court criticized the Fifth Circuit for misreading the record and the Court's instructions: "The requirement that Smith show egregious harm was predicated, [...] on a misunderstanding of the federal right Smith asserts [...]" Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote the opinion for the majority.

Panetti v. Quarterman (2007)

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Scott Louis Panetti was convicted of the murder of his wife's parents and sentenced to death. He petitioned for a writ of habeas corpus in federal District Court, claiming mental illness. The Supreme Court had ruled in Ford v. Wainwright that execution of the mentally ill is barred by the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. A psychiatric evaluation found that Panetti believed that the State was "in league with the forces of evil" and was executing him in order to "prevent him from preaching the Gospel." However, doctors also found Panetti to be aware of his crime, of the fact that he was to be executed, and of the State's stated reason for executing him. The District Court concluded that he was sufficiently sane to be executed.

On appeal, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit affirmed the lower court. The Fifth Circuit rejected Panetti's argument that an inmate cannot be executed if he lacks a rational understanding of the State's motivation for the execution. The Court of Appeals instead relied on Justice Lewis Powell's concurrence in Ford, holding that an inmate need only have an awareness of the State's reason for execution, not necessarily a rational understanding of it.

Decision: 5 votes for Panetti, 4 vote(s) against
Legal provision: Amendment 8: Cruel and Unusual Punishment
Unanswered. In an opinion written by Justice Anthony Kennedy for a 5-4 majority, the Court held that the Fifth Circuit's analysis was too restrictive under Ford v. Wainwright, because it treated Panetti's mental condition as irrelevant as long as he had in some sense a factual awareness of the state's rationale. The Court rejected the state's arguments that the Court did not have jurisdiction and that the state court was entitled to deference under the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996 (AEDPA). In doing so, the Court held that a prisoner may sometimes bring a habeas petition claiming mental incompetency even if he did not raise the claim in his first petition and that state courts can be held to have unreasonably applied a legal principle even if the principle was addressed to somewhat different facts than those of the case at hand. The state court had unreasonably applied Ford by failing to give Panetti a fair hearing to fully present his psychiatric evidence. The Court also ruled that the Fifth Circuit "rests on a flawed interpretation of Ford," because it failed to consider that Panetti's delusions may have prevented him from understanding the meaning of his punishment even though he professed to be aware of the facts. The Court did not undertake its own analysis of what kind of rational understanding the Eighth Amendment requires a death row inmate to have, saying, "Although we reject the standard followed by the Court of Appeals, we do not attempt to set down a rule governing all competency determinations." The Court expressed the hope that expert psychiatric evidence would shed light on which delusions might distort an inmate's sense of reality so much as to render him incompetent to be executed.

Medellin v. Texas (2008)

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Jose Medellin, a Mexican national, was convicted and sentenced to death for participating in the gang rape and murder of two teenage girls in Houston. Medellin raised a post-conviction challenge arguing that the state had violated his rights under the Vienna Convention, a treaty to which the United States is a party. Article 36 of the Vienna Convention gives any foreign national detained for a crime the right to contact his consulate. After his petition was ultimately dismissed by the Supreme Court (see Medellin v. Dretke), Medellin's case returned to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. Medellin's argument rested in part on a ruling of the International Court of Justice (ICJ) holding that the U.S. had violated the Vienna Convention rights of 51 Mexican nationals (including Medellin) and that their convictions must be reconsidered. Medellin argued that the Vienna Convention granted him an individual right that state courts must respect, a possibility left open by the Supreme Court's 2006 decision in Sanchez-Llamas v. Oregon. Medellin also cited a memorandum from the President of the United States that instructed state courts to comply with the ICJ's rulings by rehearing the cases. Medellin argued that the Constitution gives the President broad power to ensure that treaties are enforced, and that this power extends to the treatment of treaties in state court proceedings.

The Texas Court of Criminal Appeals rejected each of Medellin's arguments and dismissed his petition. The court interpreted Sanchez-Llamas as standing for the principle that rulings of the ICJ are not binding on state courts. The Texas court stood by its position that allowing Medellin to raise the Vienna Convention issue after his trial would violate state procedural rules, and that those rules were not supplanted by the Convention. The President had no authority to order the enforcement in state court of an ICJ ruling, because that would imply a law-making power not allocated to him by the Constitution.

Decision: 6 votes for Texas, 3 vote(s) against
Legal provision: Treaty
The Court upheld the rulings of the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals in a 6-3 opinion written by Chief Justice John G. Roberts. The Court held that the signed Protocol of the Vienna Convention did not make the treaty self- executing and, therefore, the treaty is not binding upon state courts until it is enacted into law by Congress. Furthermore, Chief Justice Roberts characterized the presidential memorandum as an attempt by the executive branch to enforce a non-self executing treaty without the necessary Congressional action, giving it no binding authority on state courts. Justice John Paul Stevens concurred in the opinion and Justice Stephen Breyer, joined by Justices David Souter and Ruth Bader Ginsburg, authored a dissent.

Kennedy v. Louisiana (2008)

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A Louisiana court found Patrick Kennedy guilty of raping his eight-year-old stepdaughter. Louisiana law allows the district attorney to seek the death penalty for defendants found guilty of raping children under the age of twelve. The prosecutor sought, and the jury awarded, such a sentence; Kennedy appealed.

The Louisiana Supreme Court affirmed the imposition of the death sentence, noting that although the U.S. Supreme Court had struck down capital punishment for rape of an adult woman in Coker v. Georgia, that ruling did not apply when the victim was a child. Rather the Louisiana high court applied a balancing test set out by the Court in Atkins v. Virginia and Roper v. Simmons, first examining whether there is a national consensus on the punishment and then considering whether the court would find the punishment excessive. In this case, the Louisiana Supreme Court felt that the adoption of similar laws in five other states, coupled with the unique vulnerability of children, justified imposing the death penalty.

In seeking certiorari, Kennedy argued that five states do not constitute a "national consensus" for the purposes of Eighth Amendment analysis, that Coker v. Georgia should apply to all rapes regardless of the age of the victim, and that the law was unfair in its application, singling out black child rapists for death at a significantly higher rate than whites.

Decision: 5 votes for Kennedy, 4 vote(s) against
Legal provision: Amendment 8: Cruel and Unusual Punishment
Yes. In a 5-4 decision the Court held that the Eighth Amendment bars states from imposing the death penalty for the rape of a child where the crime did not result, and was not intended to result, in the child's death. Applying the death penalty in such a case would be an exercise of "cruel and unusual punishment" in violation of a national consensus on the issue. Justice Anthony Kennedy delivered the opinion of the Court. Justice Samuel Alito, joined by Chief Justice John G. Roberts and Justices Clarence Thomas and Antonin Scalia, dissented. In his view, no national consensus existed prohibiting the death penalty in this case, and he vehemently opposed the majority's application of a "blanket rule" barring the death penalty in child rape cases regardless of the facts of the case, including the age of the child, the sadistic nature of the crime, and the number of times the child has been raped.

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Best case:
Global-Tech Appliances v. SEB (2011)

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French-based SEB S.A. sells home cooking products in the United States through an indirect subsidiary, T-Fal Corp. SEB owns a patent for a type of deep fryer with an inexpensive plastic outer shell. The improvement of the patent was to separate the shell from the fryer pan to allow for the less expensive material. Hong Kong-based Pentalpha Enterprises, a subsidiary of Global-Tech Appliances, a British Virgin Islands corporation, began selling its deep fryers to Sunbeam Products Inc. in 1997. The company developed the product after purchasing an SEB deep fryer and copying its features. Though Pentalpha solicited and received a "right-to-use study" from a U.S. attorney citing no infringement of any patent, the company had failed to notify the attorney of the copying. SEB filed a lawsuit against Sunbeam and the companies settled. Though Pentalpha was aware of that litigation, it subsequently sold the same deep fryers to Fingerhut Corp. and Montgomery Ward & Co. In 1999, SEB sued Montgomery Ward, Global-Tech, and Pentalpha for infringement in the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York, which ruled against Pentalpha. In February 2010, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit affirmed the district court decision and further held that "deliberate indifference" to potential patent rights satisfies the knowledge requirement for induced infringement.

Decision: 8 votes for SEB, 1 vote(s) against
Legal provision: patent infringement, 35 U. S. C. §271(b)
Yes. The Supreme Court affirmed the lower court holding in an opinion by Justice Samuel Alito. "Induced infringement under §271(b) requires knowledge that the induced acts constitute patent infringement," Alito wrote for the majority. Justice Anthony Kennedy dissented, contending that the majority is "incorrect in the definition it now adopts; but even on its own terms the Court should remand to the Court of Appeals to consider in the first instance whether there is sufficient evidence of knowledge to support the jury’s finding of inducement."

Also lol at second case, 14 year sentence for stealing a calculator from Walmart.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on March 30, 2015, 11:31:32 AM

:piss Texas state government :piss2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 31, 2015, 12:52:07 PM

This whole thing is so comical. "Oh yeah, this law isn't to discriminate against gay people!" That's the whole reason the law existed. Admit to it. Own up to your bigotry. You didn't think anyone would really care, because it was just "teh gayz" or whatever. And then you got curb stomped by public opinion, and more importantly by businesses pulling money out of your state. Quit lying, bigots.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/31/mike-pence-religious-freedom-law_n_6976912.html

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 31, 2015, 01:01:42 PM

Stephanopoulos asked Pence point-blank whether the law would let small business owners refuse service to gay couples, and Pence couldn't answer the question. I guess we're expected to believe that all these ultra religious groups came together to support this law because they're super into making sure that medicine men can smoke peyote in their wigwams.

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Post by: Brehvolution on March 31, 2015, 04:17:14 PM

The national backlash is so delicious. I'm glad these fake Christians are getting called out. Like you said, corporations are people my friend, and money > your god.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2015, 03:45:09 PM

From the minds of one of our Greatest Thinkers (he probably just missed the cut at #51) comes the sequel to 2013's smash hit op-ed:

You'll Be Made to Care, Part II: Electric Gaybaloo (Not an April Fools Joke!) (http://www.redstate.com/2015/04/01/two-years-later-youll-still-be-made-to-care/)

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There is no evidence Jesus baked a cake to celebrate sin

Checkmate, liebrals.  8)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2015, 03:49:50 PM

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Joliphant • 4 hours ago
My take was Indiana should sue any business that joins in boycotting Indiana, on the basis of religious discrimination. That said I am not a lawyer and have no idea how practical this would be.

 :ohhh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2015, 03:50:22 PM

The comments section :kobeyuck
I hope they do stand and fight for their right to discriminate just to see the smack down that comes from it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2015, 10:36:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFPpfgMY8Y4

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2015, 08:56:06 PM

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/31/harry.reid.shrug.gif)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/31/harry.reid.romney.gif.gif)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2015, 09:06:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 02, 2015, 08:56:06 PM

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/31/harry.reid.shrug.gif)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/31/harry.reid.romney.gif.gif)

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On former Florida Republican Gov. Jeb Bush: "I think he doesn't know who he is. Out of all candidates we've mentioned, I hope he loses."

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 02, 2015, 09:06:39 PM

GANGSTA

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2015, 09:55:28 PM

get sonned by Pat Buchanan brehs
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/watch-pat-buchanan-school-hannity-iran

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 02, 2015, 10:30:46 PM

Message to Puddles

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/31/bastards.beat.me.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 02, 2015, 10:59:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2015, 09:55:28 PM

get sonned by Pat Buchanan brehs
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/watch-pat-buchanan-school-hannity-iran

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Sean, they’re fighting our enemies. I’d rather have Iranians fighting in Tikrit and dying than American kids there.

Dehumanization, it's not just for Jews now.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 03, 2015, 01:26:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 02, 2015, 08:56:06 PM

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/31/harry.reid.shrug.gif)
(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2015/images/03/31/harry.reid.romney.gif.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/65mzAoO.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 02:13:36 AM

http://www.courant.com/politics/capitol-watch/hc-ct-soldier-demands-apology-from-karl-rove-rove-says-no-apology-needed-for-iraq-war-20150402-story.html

Also:

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Also during his address to the audience at UConn, Rove commented on the 2016 presidential campaign, saying he hoped Democratic Sen. Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts would enter the race. “We should be so lucky,” he said, calling her “Pocahontas,” a reference to her claims of Native American ancestry.

:heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 02:28:43 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/416397/liberals-are-new-mccarthyites-and-theyre-proud-it-john-fund

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Liberals Are the New McCarthyites—and They’re Proud of It
Harry Reid leads today’s Pitchfork Persecutors.
...
Harry Reid, the top Democrat in the Senate, was asked by CNN’s Dana Bash this week if he regretted his 2012 accusation on the Senate floor that GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney “hasn’t paid taxes for ten years.” Reid presented no evidence at the time and claimed he didn’t need any: “I don’t think the burden should be on me. The burden should be on him. He’s the one I’ve alleged has not paid any taxes.” Reid’s response in the interview was fascinating. When asked by Bash if his tactic was McCarthyite he visibly shrugged on camera, smiled, and said “Well, they can call it whatever they want. Romney didn’t win, did he?” White House spokesman Josh Earnest refused to criticize Reid for his comment because it “was three years old,” when in reality Reid’s televised reveling in it was only three days old. 

Las Vegas journalist Jon Ralston, who has observed Reid over the latter’s 30-year career in the Senate, has had enough. He revealed that he had written a harshly critical column in 2012 about Reid’s “ruthless, Machiavellian politics” in response to the senator’s accusation against Romney but saw it spiked by the Las Vegas Sun because its editor wanted to protect Reid.

The column pulled no punches in going after Reid: “He doesn’t care about being criticized for using the same tactics that Joe McCarthy used. . . . Is there anything more dangerous than a man who does not care? And a related question: Is there anything more sadly desperate than a party that will do anything not to talk about the economy and to change the subject to Mitt Romney’s wealth? . . . Sometimes the ends do not justify the means, even in the political swamp.” But increasingly the political swamp is being governed by the law of the jungle.

Take the Koch Brothers, who Reid has ceaselessly pilloried as “un-American” in speeches on the Senate floor. And the vilification continues, even with no election in sight. Just this past February, Salon published a piece by Thom Hartmann, America’s leading liberal talk-radio-show host, about the Koch Brothers. The title: “Fascism Is Rising in America.”

Liberals have become quite fond of using fascist imagery to denounce their opponents in some of the same ways conservatives used to warn about Reds under every bed. Al Gore calls his critics “digital brownshirts.” Last month, Vice President Joe Biden accused foes of union power of being “blackshirts.”

And then there are the “naming of names” and economic pressure that seem wildly out of place in a supposedly free marketplace of ideas. Last month, a group of 39 scientists accused the Smithsonian’s Museums of Science and Natural History and the American Museum of Natural History in New York City of compromising their “integrity” by accepting money from the Koch Brothers.

A related petition demanded the Koch Brothers be removed from any museum boards. The scientists claimed that the “only ethical way forward” was for institutions to “cut all ties” with climate-change skeptics and fossil-fuel companies. Syracuse University did just that this week by announcing its full divestment from fossil-fuel companies.

Senator Reid’s Democratic colleagues have joined in the shaming. Senators Barbara Boxer of California, Ed Markey of Massachusetts, and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island sent a letter in February to over 100 companies and think tanks demanding they reveal their ties to any efforts to argue against climate-change policies.

:aah :ufup :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2015, 04:44:49 AM

lol get a fucking grip John Fund.

At least this trip down the well-worn road of liberal handwringing let me remember BRECHT DA GOD's amazing HUAC testimony. Knickerbocker dropped the mic and got on a flight to Helvetica never to return. :aah

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Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 04:59:14 AM

McCarthy was in the Senate, he had nothing to do with HUAC. G*d, can't you lieberals ever pick up a history book?!?

I recommend these:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51utAMocM7L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512M-%2BVeopL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BkDXm7%2BNL.jpg)

They're really heavy, you can flatten all sorts of stuff with them. Prop up tables. Really there's just a ton of things you could do with them.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2015, 05:36:13 AM

The Age of Entitlement :rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 05:50:21 AM

I didn't know there were three of them until I went to get the pictures, thought there was only two. I have the first one, I got the paperback for $2, it's about as bad of a history book as The People's History in terms of skimming over 80% of events and then really focusing for a huge section on one event or something. Only inverted. I have no idea why people write general histories this way. At least The People's History got a little more focused in the middle.

I was surprised how un-conservative spin it puts on things, it really is just a normal history book that's a bit more pro-America/America can do no wrong than standard ones. I expected like abortion stuff or whatever. I guess there was some extended talk about the founders and guns.

Actually, the best part is that the only elections after 1860 that happen in the book are 1960 (TV debates stole the election!), 1972, 1980 and 1984. Iran-Contra gets like half a page. Really that's how it treats most "bad" things, they get a quick mention or ignored and other stuff is spun so it's like almost everyone supported good things and only a few people supported these bad things.

It was worth maybe $1.  :yeshrug

I think I've seen that Age of Entitlement one at the library. Should force myself to read it.

http://www.amazon.com/review/R129SCD4RQ3QYK/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1595231048&nodeID=283155&store=books wow thx
http://www.amazon.com/gp/review/R3EWU99B8Y6UHH/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1595230890 even more wow thx

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Larry Schweikart, a former rock drummer who opened for "Steppenwolf," is a professor of history at the University of Dayton.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/517bGXAfsuL._UX250_.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 08:07:08 AM

Odd-looking post-weightloss Penn Jillette attacks America on CNN by claiming we won't be forced to have gay sex if the Homosexualist Agenda destroys religion:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPWV7ja0OfY

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 03, 2015, 09:01:01 AM

What's the point, then?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 03, 2015, 09:05:58 AM

http://www.gofundme.com/MemoriesPizza

Is your religion and freedoms only worth $500,000, America? smh, the gay terrorists have won

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2015, 11:37:38 AM

Penn looks good to me. Reading more about his weight loss, he went on a strict diet and didn't work out at all. Which is why he might look a bit sickly to some.

The downside to losing lots of weight at an old age is that it exposes all the age in your face. That's one of the reasons William Shatner says he stays fat is because it keeps his face looking young(er). That could just be a quip, but there is truth in it.

 

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2015, 12:08:15 PM

Penn with that ether in the last minute. Much like the elves in LOTR, Christians are engaging in a long defeat. Everyone knows they're going to lose. But unlike the elves they won't just get on boats and sail to paradise (Florida?) in the end. They're going to go down kicking and screaming.

THe SC is almost certainly going to legalize gay marriage this summer. I'm not 100% convinced the Indiana law creates new discrimination rights because gay people aren't a protected class there anyway; they can be discriminated against whether or not this law exists. Perhaps it's a Hail Mary attempt to replicate the success of the Hobby Lobby case? IE after gay marriage is legalized a legal case concerning catering will inevitably reach the SC, and they're hoping for another favorable ruling. But I don't see that happening with Kennedy on the bench...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2015, 12:22:18 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/joanne-twomey-throws-vaseline-paul-lepage

:phil

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 12:35:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2015, 12:08:15 PM

Penn with that ether in the last minute.

Watch the woman in pink (EDIT: KRISTEN K. WAGGONER OF ALLIANCE DEFENDING FREEDOM) whenever Penn is talking or really anyone but her.

Also, that ACLU woman is like some kind of a horrible real life stereotype, what a waste of 1/4th of the screen.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2015, 12:56:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2015, 12:08:15 PM

Penn with that ether in the last minute. Much like the elves in LOTR, Christians are engaging in a long defeat.

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 01:52:37 PM

Pat Buchanan thread on GAF led me back to these, they still kill me for reasons I don't understand: http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/mclaughlin-group/n9987

And I forgot the "I'm sane you're all just trying to steal my magic bag" line came from this but I use that one way too much for not remembering where it's from.

I also love how McLaughlin lifted some of these lines from the skits and uses them from time to time.

Yes, I sometimes watch McLaughlin because it's on after Off The Record (http://video.wkar.org/program/record/).

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2015, 02:42:52 PM

http://time.com/3763552/hillary-clinton-age-president/

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Forget politics — she's biologically primed to be a leader

At 67, Hillary Clinton is now a “woman of a certain age.” So much emphasis and worry are put on physical aging in women that the emotional maturity and freedom that can come at this time are given short shrift. That robs everyone of a great natural resource. As women of a certain age, it is our time to lead. The new standard for aging women should be about vitality, strength, and assertiveness.

One of the largest demographics in America is women in their forties to sixties, and by 2020 there will be nearly 60 million peri- and post-menopausal women living in the United States. Because women’s average life expectancy is currently 81 years, we’re easily spending a third of our lives postmenopausal. That is a great opportunity for growth and change.

The long phase of perimenopause is marked by seismic spikes and troughs of estrogen levels, which can last for more than a decade in many women. But afterward, there is a hormonal ebbing that creates a moment of great possibility. As a psychiatrist, I will tell you the most interesting thing about menopause is what happens after. A woman emerging from the transition of perimenopause blossoms. It is a time for redefining and refining what it is she wants to accomplish in her third act. And it happens to be excellent timing for the job Clinton is likely to seek. Biologically speaking, post-menopausal women are ideal candidates for leadership. They are primed to handle stress well, and there is, of course, no more stressful job than the presidency.

Estrogen is a stress hormone that helps a woman be resilient during her fertile years. It rises and falls to help her meet her biological demands, which are often about giving to others: attracting a mate, bearing children, and nurturing our family. When estrogen levels drop after menopause, the cyclical forces that dominated the first half of our lives have been replaced with something more consistent. Our lives become less revolved around others’ and more about finally taking our turn.

...

And the post–menopausal emergence, if you will, coincides with the point at which most women will have a fair amount of experience under their belts. (Perhaps they’ve already served as a U.S. Senator and Secretary of State, for instance.) This is often the right time to make a push, to take more of a leadership position, enter a new arena, or strike out on your own. My mother was a great role model in her perimenopause, taking her symptoms in stride and referring to her hot flashes as “power surges.” She got another degree and switched careers; that appealed to me as a teenage girl. Now I see this rise in power as a way to channel new energy and even new anger. It’s a chance to make changes that should’ve been made decades ago. This may also be the time when children — adolescents, in particular — are ready to take on more responsibility, so perhaps there is a benefit for everyone in changing that family dynamic.

“I will not make age an issue of this campaign. I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponent’s youth and inexperience,” said a 73-year-old Ronald Reagan of 56-year-old Walter Mondale. Hillary would begin her presidency at exactly the same age Reagan did, but her life expectancy would be longer than any other president in recent times. And she would have all the experience and self-assuranceof a post-menopausal woman, ready to take her rightful place at the table — or in the Oval Office.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2015, 03:07:30 PM

Oh my dark gods that's a Time piece? :dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 03, 2015, 04:13:58 PM

Joe Klein, ghostwriter

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2015, 07:02:01 PM

AiA, EXPLAIN

(http://i.imgur.com/x9eUMIo.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 03, 2015, 07:13:20 PM

Why won't Obama think of the the hard-working American weapons manaufacturers? :usacry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2015, 08:29:27 PM

(http://a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/uuydnxonjknweyw7n5ul.jpg)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ferguson-racist-emails-reagan-obama-monkey
:dead

pls vote, Ferguson

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Post by: Positive Touch on April 03, 2015, 09:03:04 PM

voting ain't gonna stop the massive fuckery in st Louis :fbm

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 03, 2015, 09:11:31 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2015, 07:02:01 PM

AiA, EXPLAIN

(http://i.imgur.com/x9eUMIo.jpg)

Existential threats to American existence are like maths, you have to follow the order of operations. Communists come before political Islam.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 04, 2015, 10:35:54 AM

Turns out, discriminating against the gays does pay:

http://www.gofundme.com/MemoriesPizza

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: brawndolicious on April 04, 2015, 09:31:20 PM

I doubt a gay couple would think they could get away with an ironic food choice in the middle of the national gay marriage debates. The only thing everybody remembers about a wedding is the food that was served.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2015, 11:24:26 PM

I can't remember the last wedding I went to where the food was actually good instead of just your standard buffet type deal like a roast/ham carved by some dude, potatoes, random casseroles, etc.

Oh, wait, one in Frankenmuth catered by http://www.zehnders.com/dining/zehndersrestaurant.htm

But that's like one out of fifteen or something.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 05, 2015, 02:02:06 AM

WaPo is running a story about how Saddam Hussein is ultimately the one behind ISIS. The Pravda of neoconservatism until the end. :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2015, 04:21:03 AM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/cracks-appear-in-democratic-jewish-alliance-over-iran-deal-netanyahu-1428097595

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Many U.S. Jewish leaders are unnerved both by the new Iran nuclear agreement and the public falling out between President Barack Obama and his Israeli counterpart, developments that are creating a rift in the durable alliance between Jews and the Democratic Party in the run-up to the 2016 elections.

Worried that Iran might still develop a nuclear weapon despite the accord announced Thursday, the Jewish leaders say they feel torn between an Obama administration that has pressed hard for a deal and an Israeli government that has repeatedly warned that Iran is a grave threat to the Jewish state and can’t be trusted to abandon its nuclear ambitions.

A group of Jewish Democratic House members met with White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough in his office last week and cautioned that for them to help “sell a very unpopular [Iran nuclear] deal to our constituents,” Mr. Obama must “increase his popularity with our constituents,” said a Democratic congressman involved in the meeting.

...

Hillary Clinton, the presumed Democratic front-runner, has voiced guarded support for the Iran deal, casting it as “an important step toward a comprehensive agreement that would prevent Iran from getting a nuclear weapon.” Many Jewish leaders have said that if Mrs. Clinton, who enjoys strong ties to the Jewish community, becomes the party’s nominee, that would help salve the discontent with the White House.

The lawmakers who met with Mr. McDonough last week also urged that Mr. Obama soften his tone toward Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and avoid “getting into a daily argument with” him, one participant said.

...

U.S. Rep. Nita Lowey (D., N.Y.), who attended the meeting with Mr. McDonough, said in an interview: “I was extremely disturbed by some of the overheated rhetoric that came out of the administration following the [Israeli] election. I conveyed directly to the White House that it’s time to dial back the temperature and affirm and strengthen the U.S.-Israeli relationship.”

...

“At this moment in time, many American Jews who have consistently voted Democratic are beginning to waver in that support, because they’ve felt the bedrock relationship between Israel and this administration has been severely shaken,” said Rabbi Howard Buechler of the Dix Hills Jewish Center in New York.

...

Other Democrats worry that Jewish voters might seek reprisals against the approximately four dozen Democratic House and Senate members who skipped Mr. Netanyahu’s address to a joint session of Congress last month. Some said they boycotted the address because they saw it as a breach of protocol, with Mr. Obama not adequately consulted beforehand.

Leonard Barrack, a longtime Democratic fundraiser, said: “Many fellow Democrats of the Jewish faith were appalled” that lawmakers didn’t show Mr. Netanyahu “the respect and courtesy of being in the audience.”

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Post by: ToxicAdam on April 06, 2015, 01:46:38 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/05/mitt-romney-ncaa-bracket_n_7007908.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

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Out of 11.57 million brackets filled out in ESPN.com’s Tournament Challenge, Romney is in 25,485th place -- good enough for the 99.98th percentile. By contrast, the famously basketball-savvy President Barack Obama sits all the way back in 6,918,578th place (the 40th percentile).

 :smug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 06, 2015, 01:48:57 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 03, 2015, 07:02:01 PM

AiA, EXPLAIN

(http://i.imgur.com/x9eUMIo.jpg)

Money never funny sonny.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2015, 08:46:25 PM

"Don't invade Iraq" I said.
"It'll create a vacuum of power", I said.
But did you listen?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Mandark on April 07, 2015, 01:57:58 AM

Quote from: Vularai on April 05, 2015, 02:02:06 AM

WaPo is running a story about how Saddam Hussein is ultimately the one behind ISIS. The Pravda of neoconservatism until the end. :lol :lol :lol

The story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-hidden-hand-behind-the-islamic-state-militants-saddam-husseins/2015/04/04/aa97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html) itself is nowhere near as bad as the clickbait title.

Short version: a lot of former Iraqi officers seem to be involved in IS, as they were in the previous Sunni insurgency, as a result of Bremer's (and later Maliki's) de-Baathification policies.  I don't know how accurate it is, but it's more a story of blowback than of retroactive justification.


Also, bonus punchline to the "Reagan sold Iran weapons" thing: at the time, Israel was lobbying like hell in favor of those sales.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 02:49:18 AM

lol, just to dick with US Conservatives some more, the Pope has come out in favor of the Iran deal.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-05/pope-francis-lauds-iran-nuclear-deal

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2015, 10:44:14 AM

Looks like the 2nd clown to emerge from the car is Rand Paul, officially now.

YOUR MOVE, SCOTT WALKER OR JEB.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 07, 2015, 10:54:50 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 02:49:18 AM

lol, just to dick with US Conservatives some more, the Pope has come out in favor of the Iran deal.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-05/pope-francis-lauds-iran-nuclear-deal

As much as I like this new pope this ain't Henry VIII England bro, stay the fuck out of shit that doesn't concern you.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2015, 11:05:13 AM

pretty weird seeing liberals cheer a pope and a rising stock market.

:trollbron:

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 11:24:29 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2015, 11:05:13 AM

pretty weird seeing liberals cheer a pope and a rising stock market.

:trollbron:

We got Southern Baptists caping for the Catholic and/or Mormon Church outchea, anything goes these days.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2015, 12:01:05 PM

Obama Tells Scott Walker To 'Bone Up On Foreign Policy' (VIDEO)
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-walker-bone-up
:heh

when is the mixtape dropping, Obama :rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Kara on April 07, 2015, 12:50:02 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 07, 2015, 01:57:58 AM

The story (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/the-hidden-hand-behind-the-islamic-state-militants-saddam-husseins/2015/04/04/aa97676c-cc32-11e4-8730-4f473416e759_story.html) itself is nowhere near as bad as the clickbait title.

Short version: a lot of former Iraqi officers seem to be involved in IS, as they were in the previous Sunni insurgency, as a result of Bremer's (and later Maliki's) de-Baathification policies.  I don't know how accurate it is, but it's more a story of blowback than of retroactive justification.

I would have got away with discrediting WaPo if it hadn't been for you incredulous kids. :'(

spoiler (click to show/hide)

imo at a certain point the origins of something cease to be immediately relevant. Given the periodical's questionable past, it's hard for me to see introducing this information as purely an informative undertaking on the part of the Washington Post. It's been awhile admittedly, but I don't particularly recall the African (specifically, the white minority rule) origins of many private military companies coming up very much during the heyday of public war for private profit.

Yes, I realize this is incredibly :hans1. :shaq2

[close]

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2015, 01:09:38 PM

Clickbait article title that are actually contradicted by the body of the article are so horrible.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2015, 01:34:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 07, 2015, 10:54:50 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 02:49:18 AM

lol, just to dick with US Conservatives some more, the Pope has come out in favor of the Iran deal.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-05/pope-francis-lauds-iran-nuclear-deal

As much as I like this new pope this ain't Henry VIII England bro, stay the fuck out of shit that doesn't concern you.

Come On every pope has weighed in on political stuff. I mean  pope John Paul is part of the holy conservative trinity of Reagan,  Thatcher and John Paul

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2015, 01:38:22 PM

He's just commenting on it, not sending Vatican diplomats to be part of the negotiations.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 07, 2015, 01:39:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2015, 01:38:22 PM

He's just commenting on it, not sending Vatican diplomats to be part of the negotiations.

See I'm that republican that refuses to accept the words of the catholic cult. Fuck em. Well I did fuck a bunch of them in college.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - FCC rams ObamaNet down our throats!
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2015, 02:37:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PCEJ4ne.png)

:neogaf

:ufup :paul

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 03:03:57 PM

:bow Get hype for Ron Paul: Reloaded, the gritty 2016 reboot of the greatest politician of forever. :bow2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o

How will the lamestream media smear Rand Paul's presidential campaign? Stay tuned, dear viewers!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on April 07, 2015, 04:23:09 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/04/07/youtubes-copyright-system-has-taken-rand-pauls-presidential-announcement-offline/

:ufup :paul

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 04:32:36 PM

The free market has spoken.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 06:04:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/bLMXt0Z.png)

please respond

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2015, 06:54:28 PM

So Jimmy Carter has resigned from his religious position because he feels it is against equality.
I personally find it funny that conservatives are always yelling about they should have a true christian in the white house and they hate Carter, possibly the most christian president we've ever had.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on April 07, 2015, 07:09:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 06:04:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/bLMXt0Z.png)

please respond

Wait, is this fucking real?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 07:12:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 07, 2015, 07:09:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 06:04:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/bLMXt0Z.png)

please respond

Wait, is this fucking real?

Yes.

http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/1686/2003-04-07%20to%20Doug%20Feith%20re%20Issues%20with%20Various%20Countries.pdf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2015, 07:19:41 PM

And these people have the audacity to shit on Obama.

Fuck a post presidency book. Obama needs to drop an album full of speeches/disses, recited over the best hip hop production money can buy (Just Blaze, Alchemist, etc). Shit talking Boehner, Bush officials, Romney, the Clintons and their grand baby...everyone.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on April 07, 2015, 07:23:32 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 07:12:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 07, 2015, 07:09:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 07, 2015, 06:04:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/bLMXt0Z.png)

please respond

Wait, is this fucking real?

Yes.

http://library.rumsfeld.com/doclib/sp/1686/2003-04-07%20to%20Doug%20Feith%20re%20Issues%20with%20Various%20Countries.pdf

God I'd seen that before but I figured it was fake.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2015, 07:28:40 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2015, 06:54:28 PM

So Jimmy Carter has resigned from his religious position because he feels it is against equality.
I personally find it funny that conservatives are always yelling about they should have a true christian in the white house and they hate Carter, possibly the most christian president we've ever had.

Jimmy Carter would be an American hero if he hadn't botched his response to a bad economy and let the Iran hostage situation get handed to Reagan on a silver platter.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 07, 2015, 07:54:13 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2015, 06:54:28 PM

So Jimmy Carter has resigned from his religious position because he feels it is against equality.
I personally find it funny that conservatives are always yelling about they should have a true christian in the white house and they hate Carter, possibly the most christian president we've ever had.

Excluding modern day Sadducees, I think a lot of the remaining rancor towards him is just Pavlovian response. He's the "sit back and have a beer with" archetype without pretense (Clinton) or baffling idiocy (George II).

Just don't talk about the war Palestine, Fawlty.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2015, 10:11:11 PM

My favorite anti-Carter screed is that the Community Reinvestment Act single handily caused the 2008 financial meltdown.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 07, 2015, 11:40:56 PM

Just saw my first Rand Paul ad on YouTube. :holeup

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 10:05:51 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2015, 10:11:11 PM

My favorite anti-Carter screed is that the Community Reinvestment Act single handily caused the 2008 financial meltdown.

It was the Clinton-era adjustments and enforcement of that dummy. You'll never get into Republican-GAF like this.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 12:28:42 PM

Democrats Have an Identity-Politics Problem (http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/democrats-have-an-identity-politics-problem-20150407)

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No, the main reason why Clinton is a near-lock for the nomination is that Democrats have become the party of identity. They're now dependent on a coalition that relies on exciting less-reliable voters with nontraditional candidates. President Obama proved he could turn out African-American, Hispanic, and young voters to his side in 2012 even as they faced particularly rough economic hardships during a weak recovery. As the first female major-party nominee for president, Clinton hopes to win decisive margins with women voters and is planning to run on that historic message—in sharp contrast to her campaign's argument playing down that uniqueness in 2008.

It's part of why freshman Sen. Elizabeth Warren inspires excitement from the party's grassroots, but former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, whose progressive record in office set liberal benchmarks, isn't even polling at 1 percent nationally. It's why Sherrod Brown, a populist white male senator from a must-win battleground state is an afterthought in the presidential sweepstakes. It's why Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, a runner-up to be Obama's running mate in 2008, quickly jumped on the Clinton bandwagon instead of pursuing any national ambitions. On Bernstein's list of 16 possible challengers, 15 are white and nine are white males. That makes many of them untenable standard-bearers in the modern Democratic Party.

Just look at the party's (few) competitive Senate primaries of recent vintage for an illustration of this dynamic. New Jersey Sen. Cory Booker, whose tenure as Newark mayor drew considerable scrutiny and occasional mockery, coasted to victory in a 2013 special election primary against Rep. Frank Pallone, a respected 25-year veteran of the House who had been angling for a promotion for many years. With Democrats lacking a single African-American senator at the time, Booker's election to the Senate was fait accompli.

The 2014 Hawaii primary between appointed Sen. Brian Schatz and then-Rep. Colleen Hanabusa hinged on issues of ethnic identity, pitting a white candidate against one who is Japanese-American (and was backed by the widow of the late longtime Sen. Daniel Inouye). Schatz, despite holding an advantage as the incumbent, only eked out a victory by 1,782 votes despite a lockstep liberal record and support from national liberal groups. (Asian-Americans comprise a 38 percent plurality of Hawaii residents; whites make up 27 percent.)

This year, the Democratic primary royale will be taking place in Maryland, where Rep. Chris Van Hollen, who is white, is pitted against Rep. Donna Edwards, who is African-American. Both are reliable progressives, but Van Hollen has held more prominent leadership positions. She has been playing up their differences on several issues—entitlement reform, most significantly—but the real contrast for voters will be on race. In a state where nearly half of the Democratic primary electorate is African-American, Edwards is betting she'll have a strong floor of support, regardless of what happens in the campaign.

In the not-too-distant past, Van Hollen's credentials as a former Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman, ranking Democrat on the Budget Committee, and on the fast-track within House leadership would make him a solid favorite for the nomination. But Edwards, who was just elected in 2008 and defeated a Democratic incumbent to do so, is betting on the power of identity to overcome her lack of experience. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid's early endorsement of Van Hollen will mean little compared with the support Edwards could rack up in African-American communities from Baltimore to Prince George's County. That, combined with support from the Democratic powerhouse EMILY's List, which backs and funds female Democratic candidates, make her a formidable challenger.

Meanwhile, in Nevada, Reid has been working to clear the Democratic field for a Hispanic up-and-comer, former Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto, as his chosen successor. The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is reportedly already rallying behind her campaign, even though Rep. Dina Titus has indicated she's very interested in running as well. It's a no-brainer of a move, given how important the state's growing Hispanic vote has become. But it also underscores how important it is to run a familiar face to help turn out and rally Hispanic voters to the polls next November.

...

One of the paradoxes of today's Democratic Party is that, despite the increasing importance of a diversified voting coalition, the party is drastically underrepresented by talented nonwhite politicians in its congressional, gubernatorial, and statewide ranks. The great irony of Obama's presidency is that by playing to his progressive base so much, Obama oversaw the collapse of his party at the local level—and it's depriving Democrats of compelling, viable presidential recruits who reflect the changed nature of the party for 2016 and beyond.

Into that void enters Hillary Clinton. By running against Obama in 2008, she knows firsthand how powerful the appeal of personal identity is. As dramatic as the nomination fight was, the results strongly correlated with the demographic makeup of the individual states. This time, she's planning to take a page from his playbook in emphasizing her historic position as the first female major-party nominee, if she wins the Democratic nomination. That alone is enough to dissuade other qualified challengers from taking her on.

But while nominating a diverse slate of candidates is a laudable goal, there's great risk when a party becomes obsessed with identity over issues. It fuels racial polarization, where one's party label or positions on issues becomes synonymous with race or ethnicity. There's less coherent connection among their constituents' interests—beyond gender or the color of one's skin. If Clinton runs a biography-focused campaign, it will require her to be more open and authentic—traits she has never demonstrated in her long career in public life.

For all the GOP's recent internal struggles, the dividing lines within the party have primarily been over policy: tea-partiers against the establishment, Chamber of Commerce rank-and-file versus social conservatives, hawks against Paulites. Among Democrats, the dividing lines are much more personal. If Clinton wins a third straight Democratic presidential term, it will reaffirm the power of identity in American politics. But if she loses, Democrats will find themselves in a messy identity crisis, without many leaders left to turn to.

IS HILLARY CLINTON ANY GOOD AT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT? (http://"http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/hillary-clinton-2016-campaign.html")

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Standing in front of a tapestry replica of Picasso’s Guernica, she was testy, brittle, and, above all, unpersuasive — failing to demonstrate the most elementary political skills, much less those learned at Toastmasters or Dale Carnegie. “She read her prepared remarks like a high-school student,” marvels Frank Luntz, the Republican pollster who’s been a close observer of Clinton for more than two decades. “She looked down at her notes, then she looked up to the left, down at her notes, then up to the right. Almost the entire time, she avoided making eye contact with anyone.” A prominent Democratic operative is still horrified by the spectacle. “She came off as defensive and artificially put-off,” he says. Another Democratic operative says, “I’m a huge Hillary Clinton fan. I hope desperately she’s the next president of the United States, because I think she’d be a great president. But after that press conference, I do have major concerns about her ability as a campaigner and to get elected.”

The performance made a host of other recent Clinton missteps — seemingly minor at the time — suddenly loom larger in the minds of anxious Democrats. There was her strangely vapid Foggy Bottom memoir, Hard Choices, which racked up middling sales, and her obvious rust in the interviews she did to promote it. There was her continued buck-raking on the paid-speaking circuit, which seemed tone-deaf, if not downright greedy, for someone about to embark on a presidential campaign. And there was her hard-to-figure delay in assembling a staff for the campaign, so that, when news of the hidden emails broke, she had no infrastructure to defend her and instead had to rely on a hodgepodge of veteran freelancers like James Carville and Lanny Davis, whose reappearance made the latest Clinton scandal feel exhaustingly familiar. Democrats may be constitutionally prone to hysteria, but even so, the whiplash of these few weeks has been notable. Now, days before Clinton’s official announcement that she is, once again, in it to win it, some in her party are on edge.

Pat Buchanan, the venerable Republican operative who advised Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan, likes to assess politicians as “political athletes.” Putting aside ideologies, policy preferences, even personalities, how do they perform on the political playing field? “It’s charisma, charm, savvy,” he says. “Being a political athlete is having an extra dimension — it’s not learned; you’re born with it.” In Buchanan’s long career, the greatest political athletes he’s encountered have been John F. Kennedy, Reagan, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama. “They’re naturals: Roy Hobbs or Mickey Mantle,” he says. Hillary, in Buchanan’s view, is the furthest thing from a natural: “She’s like Pete Rose, who has to grind out every hit.”

The grind can be obvious watching Clinton on the campaign trail. In her two successful Senate races and her unsuccessful presidential run in 2008, she often struggled to exhibit the basic qualities required of politicians. “Let’s remember who she’s beaten in her career: Rick Lazio and John Spencer,” says a Democratic consultant who has worked for and against Hillary. “The only time she’s run against anyone decent, she’s lost.” Where most pols project warmth, she often runs cold. Her speeches can be leaden and forced. She tightens up in unscripted moments.

Above all, she bristles at what the public and the press now want most from politicians: authenticity. As she said in a press-conference soliloquy during her 2000 Senate campaign, “ ‘Who are you?’ and all of that. I don’t know if that is the right question. Even people you think you know extremely well, do you know their entire personality? Do they, at every point you’re with them, reveal totally who they are? Of course not. We now expect people in the public arena to somehow do that. I don’t understand the need behind that.”

“She’s a schemer and a planner and a plodder,” says the GOP consultant Rick Wilson, who worked for Rudy Giuliani during his aborted 2000 Senate campaign against Clinton. “You need people like that in politics, but most of the time they end up as campaign strategists, not candidates.” Buchanan is more blunt: “She reminds me of Nixon.”

In 1998, when Clinton was first thinking about running for the Senate, she sought the advice of her and her husband’s longtime adviser Harold Ickes. According to Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta Jr.’s Her Way, the pair were deep into their meeting — having pored over a map of New York and discussed the myriad local issues she would have to grasp — when a thought suddenly occurred to Ickes. “I don’t even know if you’d be a good candidate, Hillary,” he told her. Nearly two decades later, we still don’t know.

Top 5 Pointless Congressional Hearings on Baseball (http://"http://reason.com/reasontv/2015/04/06/congress-wastes-time-talking-about-sport")

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 08, 2015, 12:31:37 PM

(http://new4.fjcdn.com/comments/3339187+_360899f2e6c5fa9000e4cc378ef597c0.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 12:39:57 PM

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/04/GOP-Field-Crowded-at-the-Top-Unlike-In-the-Recent-Past.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/04/Hillary-Clintons-Potential-Support-on-Par-With-2007-But-Early-Field-Is-Different.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 02:08:49 PM

My friend is a fascist! (http://www.revleft.com/vb/my-friend-fascist-t192746/index.html)

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Help! My friend today told me he was a "National Socialist", I think he has spent too much time on /pol/ on 4chan (not even a little joking). What can I do to convince him otherwise? By the way last month he was an "Individualist Anarchist". He told me the holocaust was exaggerated and that killing jews was a misstep.

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In consideration of what it actually means to be a friend, what personal predispositions allow for someone to identify as such, and what does it say about yourself if these are characteristics you're willing to excuse?

It's not a matter of political correctness. One cannot possibly befriend one who festers in darkness and filth without degrading their ethical, political and ideological standards. So the advice is simple: how important is this all to you? The apolitical, even the bourgeois liberals (including conservatives) can be excused. But the reaction, the degenerate soldiers of what is most rotten to the core of life, the insistence upon THE insistence... This cannot be wavered.
__________________
[FONT="Courier New"] “We stand for organized terror - this should be frankly admitted. Terror is an absolute necessity during times of revolution. Our aim is to fight against the enemies of the Revolution and of the new order of life. ”
― Felix Dzerzhinsky [/FONT]

لا شيء يمكن وقف محاكم التفتيش للثورة

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I can't imagine fascism being something people would still be talking about a few thousand years from now - maybe at most as a footnote in history. Seems even people like Alexander the Great just end up being footnotes, and you'd actually have to explicitly research him to learn anything. Are religious figures the only ones that still play a significant role in people's lives long after they're gone? A few thousand years from now, what would they say of our contemporaries? I suspect we'll all be considered a bunch of nobodies ...just like most centuries just produce a bunch of nobodies

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 08, 2015, 02:15:45 PM

Yessss benji is reading RevLeft.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 02:28:10 PM

Apparently they're all fakers and this is real Marxism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B23gdrNtcog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8iJgFviWis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CMU6w8RP0Y

https://www.youtube.com/user/MaoistRebelNews2 (https://www.youtube.com/user/MaoistRebelNews2)
http://maoistrebelnews.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8CXWEAf-w

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75ZRqZYzTu8

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 08, 2015, 02:31:11 PM

MaoistRebelNews :aah

Was he the one that did the Marxist analysis of Dragon Ball Z awhile back?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 02:32:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhKRCTIZIA4

He's also got a bunch of Marxist Analysis of Fallout: New Vegas videos.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 08, 2015, 02:34:47 PM

I hate to break this combo of Stalin fellating but

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/04/07/white-millennials-are-just-about-as-racist-as-their-parents/


:ufup

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 08, 2015, 02:47:18 PM

The real Marxism starts now!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 02:51:25 PM

The guy has like fifty videos "debunking propaganda" about North Korea, he basically claims every dissident is a Western fake and pokes holes in their stories by citing North Korean claims or attaching them to some nefarious capitalist by proxy.  :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 02:54:04 PM

Holy shit, he actually wrote a book on the Economics of Fallout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NyKsd7BMN0

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 02:56:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxD9QPSWhTM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5k5pxSICNr0

 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_hbInRgDHU

 :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 08, 2015, 02:57:43 PM

youtube poli-sci analysis :blessed

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox0mb6OnIuU&feature=em-subs_digest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUx9fArlqig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsVXqGX_Vx8&spfreload=10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITCTJOpIpoI

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not really related but I don't know if I'll ever get a better opportunity to plug this channel

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwPn_TUUIDQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uFzhEDdexc

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 03:03:38 PM

I need mac's opinion on that shirt in the first video about psychological origins.

EDIT: This guy actually slowly sounds better and better because of his accent as he's gone from the screen. I'm being convinced but BAM then he shows back up and I'm distracted by his inability to not look directly at his writings.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 08, 2015, 03:03:54 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on April 08, 2015, 02:33:28 PM

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Was he the one that did the Marxist analysis of Dragon Ball Z awhile back?

wat

When you accept the notion that all things are political it becomes far too easy to politically analyze things.

I like to think of it as the antithesis to the Gramscian thesis that it is necessary for the working class to develop its own organic intelligentsia.

Man, I wonder if MaoistRebel has a video on the Prison Notebooks. The irony would be incomprehensible.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 08, 2015, 03:08:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 02:32:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhKRCTIZIA4

He's also got a bunch of Marxist Analysis of Fallout: New Vegas videos.

(http://i.imgur.com/PkPcvwm.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 03:13:09 PM

The one thing I don't understand about PoliSci or similar (like Anita) YouTubers is why so many of them are mostly just videos of the person, like Stefan Molyneux does 50 minute long videos of him in front of a white wall.

The Great Communicator knew you need visual aides:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Ronald_Reagan_televised_address_from_the_Oval_Office%2C_outlining_plan_for_Tax_Reduction_Legislation_July_1981.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 08, 2015, 03:19:15 PM

Cult of Personality, duh.

Koba's lesson to the sands of time. :ussrcry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 08, 2015, 03:21:19 PM

the flip side of that is when it's just images and a disengaged narrator

there was one channel I stumbled onto that featured cobbled together 10 minute slideshows that were so obviously made using windows movie maker; it was this guy who made just-so arguments while trying to tow the line of partisanship but ended each video with a shot of his face on Lenin's body holding a hammer and sickle leading the proletariat to revolution with Государственный гимн СССР playing in the background

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 03:26:48 PM

Yeah, you gotta keep active with the visual aides, not just slides and pictures that stay up for ten minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsDUiX-Ilv8

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 10:14:55 PM

Comparing the "Social Contract" to fedualism, debt bondage and multi-generational slavery to delegitimize the death penalty. Being told to read The Republic or a basic poli sci textbook and having things explained to me like I don't already know that view and reject their ludicrous pro-corporate-state arguments. Then quoting Lysander Spooner comparing highwaymen positively in contrast to the government cause I don't give a shit. :hitler

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Talking about internet "debate" like I'm accomplishing anything.  :beli

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"Internet debate" being my closest thing to accomplishment for the day  :fbm

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 08, 2015, 10:20:30 PM

U made me smile bae, that's something 2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 10:32:42 PM

Tell me this isn't a "he mad" piece of writing:

Quote from: Spooner

It is true that the theory of our Constitution is, that all taxes are paid voluntarily; that our government is a mutual insurance company, voluntarily entered into by the people with each other; that each man makes a free and purely voluntary contract with all others who are parties to the Constitution, to pay so much money for so much protection, the same as he does with any other insurance company; and that he is just as free not to be protected, and not to pay any tax, as he is to pay a tax, and be protected.

But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: Your money, or your life. And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat.

The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the road side, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful.

The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a "protector," and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to "protect" those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful "sovereign," on account of the "protection" he affords you. He does not keep "protecting" you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villainies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave.

The proceedings of those robbers and murderers, who call themselves "the government," are directly the opposite of these of the single highwayman.

In the first place, they do not, like him, make themselves individually known; or, consequently, take upon themselves personally the responsibility of their acts. On the contrary, they secretly (by secret ballot) designate some one of their number to commit the robbery in their behalf, while they keep themselves practically concealed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 08, 2015, 10:46:41 PM

the highwayman wouldn't have to participate in thievery if he wasn't racked by institutional poverty :hans1

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2015, 10:48:53 PM

Or if he was allowed to run his own postal carrier service!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2015, 02:09:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Pbz1KfJ.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2015, 02:29:46 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/04/fox-news-host-wants-death-penalty-tsarnaev

lmao, maybe Obama will put him in a package deal with Sirhan Sirhan and Nidal Hassan

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 09, 2015, 02:49:30 PM

The MaoistRebel video on #GamerGate wasn't what I was expecting it to be.

I guess you shouldn't judge a rotund white man with a beard by his cover. :ohhh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 09, 2015, 02:53:42 PM

Quote from: Vularai on April 09, 2015, 02:49:30 PM

The MaoistRebel video on #GamerGate wasn't what I was expecting it to be.

"The psychotic mentality of the MRA, their conspiratorial mindset, in this incident has been laid bare for the entire world to see."

 :obama

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 09, 2015, 02:57:27 PM

"Tell me more... the supposed 'revolutionary potential' of first world people."

(http://i.imgur.com/HehoJWT.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 09, 2015, 03:50:08 PM

If I want to abuse my child the state can't stop me. :MurrayRothbard:

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2015, 03:54:18 PM

I hope he bans circumcision next. #MRA

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on April 09, 2015, 08:44:00 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Lkh7Pxr.jpg)

:rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 09, 2015, 08:49:23 PM

Business television sure has gone to shit. :holeup

Watching Bloomberg every morning before school during the dot com era. :lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 11:34:24 AM

http://www.speaker.gov/titanic

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 10, 2015, 12:06:41 PM

Get me the fuck out of here. :stahp

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 10, 2015, 12:38:09 PM

No. Not again.  :snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2015, 12:56:56 PM

Give me access to Medicaid like one of your french girls.  :-*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 01:12:17 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/04/lindsey-graham-rand-paul-2016-116837.html

Quote

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham may still be weighing whether to run for president, but he already has a strategy — distancing himself from fellow senator Rand Paul.

In TV appearances, on the campaign trail, and even in private fundraisers, Graham, an Air Force reservist and one of his party’s most prominent defense hawks, has gone after Paul repeatedly and by name, casting him as weak-kneed and unwilling to protect the country from aggressors.

In interviews, Graham aides said he was laying out a plan to position himself as Paul’s foil, and will repeatedly contrast his foreign policy positions to that of the Kentucky senator’s more isolationist views, especially in debates. They believe that going after Paul — or “putting wood on him,” in the words of one aide — drives attention to Graham and, at a time of rising concern about threats from abroad, helps establish himself as the hawk of the Republican field.

...

The Kentucky senator, he said, “in many ways is to the left of Barack Obama.” To defeat Hillary Clinton, Graham argued, Republicans would need a nominee with robust national defense strategy. “Sen. Paul isn’t in a good position to do that,” he said.

Paul, 52, declined to comment on his relationship with Graham, and many of his advisers — who over the years have observed Graham launch similar broadsides against Paul’s father, former Texas Rep. Ron Paul — are hesitant to respond to Graham’s attacks, believing that it will only help the South Carolina senator.

“Punching down third-tier candidates doesn’t often make a lot of sense,” said Jesse Benton, a former Paul campaign manager who is now helping to lead a super PAC that will be supporting his candidacy.

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The most recent flareup came on Sunday, when Graham, appearing on Fox News, said Paul’s “foreign policy is to the left of President Obama.” He added that any Republican candidate would have struck a better Iran deal than Obama. “Except maybe Rand Paul.”

Appearing on the same network just minutes after he formally declared himself a candidate for president, Paul was asked about Graham’s comments. He chuckled. “Well, almost anyone in the Congress would better defend the Bill of Rights than this particular senator,” he said. “So touché.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2015, 01:15:45 PM

Lindsey Graham throwing that shade.  :aah

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m41aygNfBB1r15uyio2_r4_250.gif)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

"Putting wood on him"   :leon

[close]

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2015, 01:16:49 PM

Graham actually thinks he might have a chance. :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: huckleberry on April 10, 2015, 02:30:15 PM

Graham is one of the mushiest turds in the bowl and has been for some time.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 04:31:45 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/238366-bachmann-obamas-foreign-policy-virtually-guarantees-wwiii

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Former Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.) on Wednesday said President Obama’s friendly overtures toward Cuba and Iran could eventually spark a global war.

“This virtually guarantees, in my opinion, World War III, and I think that alone would qualify Barack Obama for being the worst president that the United States has ever had to endure,” she said in an interview with "NewsTalk Florida."

“You can get economics wrong, and you can turn it around,” Bachmann added. “Where we have problems decades into the future are disasters with foreign policy.”

Bachmann, a 2012 GOP presidential candidate, called Obama’s diplomatic approach to longtime U.S. enemies “the worst part” of his presidency.

...

The ex-congresswoman said those actions had strengthened terrorists. She said that, overall, Obama’s Middle East decisions were “pro-jihad” and “anti-Christian” blunders.

“This president, Barack Obama, has been almost just heartless and bloodless, when it comes to the persecution of Christians and Jews across the world,” Bachmann argued.

“He has been the best friend of the terrorist,” she charged. “I don’t mean that in a flip way, but his actions and rhetoric have been such that he has dated the rise of the goals of terrorists across the world.”

Bachmann said a nuclear-armed Iran was a graver threat than even the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) that the president did not understand.

“But the biggest problem of all is Iran, and that’s where we need to focus because Iran cannot get a nuclear weapon, and that’s why it’s imperative that this Congress wake up and hold this president accountable,” Bachmann urged.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 07:50:36 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/04/10/obama_on_advice_he_would_give_to_2008_obama_i_should_have_warned_the_american_people_would_take_some_time_for_economy_to_recover.html

Quote

"I’m going to stay a little bit off the politics for a bit. And I’ve witnessed your journey a lot, and the question is kind of two-part. If you go back and give yourself one piece of advice before the start of you 2008 term, what would it be?" Brian Lumley, a chef, asked the president.

...

The president, reminding people he took office while "we were going through the worst global financial crisis since the 1930s," said, "what I would have probably advised was that I might have needed to warn the American people and paint a picture for them that was more accurate about the fact that it would take some time to dig ourselves out of a very big hole."

Obama said he wished he was did a better job at "describing [the economy] in ways that people understood."

"I think I would have advised myself to do a better job spending more time not just getting the policy right, but also describing it in ways that people understood, that gave them confidence in their own future," Obama said. "I think that would probably be the most important advice that I would have given myself."

:dead  :neogaf  :hitler

Also:

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PRESIDENT OBAMA: All right, it’s a gentleman’s turn. This gentleman right here. He looks very serious; he’s got glasses. Looking sharp. Plus, he’s got a copy of my book. So he’s clearly a wise man.

QUESTION: Thank you very much. My name is Chef Brian Lumley -- I’m a young Jamaican chef here.
And I own a restaurant -- 689 by Brian Lumley. Just saying.

My question to you -- I’m going to stay a little bit off the politics for a bit. And I’ve witnessed your journey a lot, and the question is kind of two-part. If you go back and give yourself one piece of advice before the start of you 2008 term, what would it be? And the second part is if you can sign this book when you’re finished. Thank you very much.

PRESIDENT OBAMA: I’ll sign the book. So the question was, for those couldn’t hear: If I were to go back and give myself advice before I started in 2008, what would the advice be?

I suppose I could have started dying my hair earlier -- (laughter) -- so then people wouldn’t say, man, he’s getting old. You’re going like this -- at least I got hair, man.

:heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 09:52:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEWfvK0Oxe0

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 10, 2015, 10:01:59 PM

"Darkness" eh. :hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 10:47:21 PM

The best part about an Alan Keyes party is an Alan Keyes party don't stop: http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/is-iran-deal-part-of-obama-3rd-term-scheme/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2015, 12:19:00 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 10, 2015, 10:47:21 PM

The best part about an Alan Keyes party is an Alan Keyes party don't stop: http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/is-iran-deal-part-of-obama-3rd-term-scheme/

If only Obama was a Real Red-Blooded American Man like these hipsters "lumbersexuals".

http://www.wnd.com/2015/04/meet-the-lumbersexuals-men-who-just-wanna-be-men/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2015, 12:26:22 AM

I wish I could find some of the "Bush will attack Iran to ensure a third term" articles that popped up on Common Dreams and other sites back in 2007/2008.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2015, 04:41:10 PM

https://instagram.com/p/1UIlvODL1k/
:drudge

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2015, 07:15:53 PM

What's the big deal about two socialist dictators shaking hand? :hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on April 11, 2015, 07:40:18 PM

smh, obama's embrace game is trash tier compared to the kerrbear

(http://i.imgur.com/ASjjEtn.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Barry Egan on April 12, 2015, 04:57:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uY7gLZDmn4

scurred AiA?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2015, 05:23:36 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCa5012WgAEpmKe.png:large)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2015, 07:58:32 PM

Quote from: brob on April 11, 2015, 07:40:18 PM

smh, obama's embrace game is trash tier compared to the kerrbear

(http://i.imgur.com/ASjjEtn.jpg)

"guess i'll hug him that's what they do, and ooh, is this silk, this is really nice silk, feels so good on the face imagine bedsheets like this, after the wind surfing and having to listen to Teresa to just rub your face in this and...what? oh sorry, yes to the podiums to give my speech"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: thisismyusername on April 12, 2015, 08:28:26 PM

https://twitter.com/macleanbrendan/status/587389473991688192

:dead I really want to see a campaign ad like this from Hillary.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2015, 11:38:02 PM

The Greatest Secretary of State in American History is not running for President: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/john-kerry-praises-hillary-clinton-plans-avoid-hurly/story?id=30261309

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 13, 2015, 09:35:51 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2015, 09:35:05 AM

hey did you hear that Hillary is running for pre- :zzz

omg no way

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2015, 09:42:25 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2015, 09:35:05 AM

hey did you hear that Hillary is running for pre- :zzz

this is a hoax chain letter, please stop spreading it, people may be giving over their credit card information

do your part, delete all your e-mails

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2015, 09:44:58 AM

Oh, and leave your implausible suicide setups in Fort Marcy Park.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on April 13, 2015, 10:58:16 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on April 12, 2015, 04:57:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uY7gLZDmn4

scurred AiA?

dem demographic ticks!  :lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2015, 03:46:44 PM

Presented without comment:

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After Rubio officially became speaker, then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush presented him with a golden sword called "Chang"—"the sword of a great conservative warrior." Bush elaborated on what the sword meant: Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society. I rely on Chang with great regularity in my public life. He has been by my side, and sometimes I let him down. But Chang, this mystical warrior, has never let me down.

http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-rubiobush-sword-story-preppiness.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: helios on April 13, 2015, 03:53:15 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2015, 03:46:44 PM

Presented without comment:

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After Rubio officially became speaker, then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush presented him with a golden sword called "Chang"—"the sword of a great conservative warrior." Bush elaborated on what the sword meant: Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society. I rely on Chang with great regularity in my public life. He has been by my side, and sometimes I let him down. But Chang, this mystical warrior, has never let me down.

http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-rubiobush-sword-story-preppiness.html

(http://i.imgur.com/IVW7ZDp.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2015, 05:42:30 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2015, 03:46:44 PM

Presented without comment:

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After Rubio officially became speaker, then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush presented him with a golden sword called "Chang"—"the sword of a great conservative warrior." Bush elaborated on what the sword meant: Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society. I rely on Chang with great regularity in my public life. He has been by my side, and sometimes I let him down. But Chang, this mystical warrior, has never let me down.

http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-rubiobush-sword-story-preppiness.html

What's the drop rate? I want one.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2015, 06:37:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2015, 05:42:30 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2015, 03:46:44 PM

Presented without comment:

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After Rubio officially became speaker, then-Florida Gov. Jeb Bush presented him with a golden sword called "Chang"—"the sword of a great conservative warrior." Bush elaborated on what the sword meant: Chang is a mystical warrior. Chang is somebody who believes in conservative principles, believes in entrepreneurial capitalism, believes in moral values that underpin a free society. I rely on Chang with great regularity in my public life. He has been by my side, and sometimes I let him down. But Chang, this mystical warrior, has never let me down.

http://nomoremister.blogspot.com/2015/04/the-rubiobush-sword-story-preppiness.html

What's the drop rate? I want one.

DPS is wasted on a tank like you :wag

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2015, 06:41:30 PM

I remember that story.  Funny thing is Chang = Chiang Kai-shek, and it's an outgrowth of Bush Sr. using the phrase "unleash Chiang" in tennis games.

From a memoir (http://books.google.com/books?id=mxaZFSuxtUYC&pg=PT98) about George HW Bush written by his daughter Doro:

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By the way, he still uses a phrase in his tennis games that he picked up in China: "unleash Chiang"--a reference to Chiang Kai Shek, the nationalist leader exiled on Taiwan--as slang for Let's start this game and serve the big one. He had a bit of a weak serve, and it was his way of making fun of it: Time to unleash Chiang!

"Picked up in China" means during Bush's time as the ambassador to the PRC in the 70's, so it's almost certainly a joke on US hardliners who thought Chiang could retake mainland China if only America would support him.  So a sarcastic reference to the ROC gradually morphed into an inspirational mystic Asian warrior.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 13, 2015, 06:45:51 PM

Guess they couldn't smell what the ROC was cooking. :what

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2015, 06:47:29 PM

This whole story coming together. :aah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2015, 12:30:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1q9VLJYEWY&feature=youtu.be
:stahp

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2015, 12:39:32 AM

STONE
COLD
BURN

:whoo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2015, 01:05:35 AM

I like how Mika came through with some decent but ultimately not fatal attacks, then that nerdy ass looking dude tag teamed in with the actual ether.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on April 14, 2015, 10:39:34 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2015, 01:05:35 AM

I like how Mika came through with some decent but ultimately not fatal attacks, then that nerdy ass looking dude tag teamed in with the actual ether.

still, Mika  :uguu

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2015, 10:57:07 AM

"I'll ruin you like I ruined this company!" *shakes fist*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2015, 05:41:36 PM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121533/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-vice-president?utm_content=bufferf3429&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2015, 05:52:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2015, 05:41:36 PM

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121533/hillary-clinton-barack-obama-vice-president?utm_content=bufferf3429&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
:dead

 :snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2015, 05:55:19 PM

Quote

LOL, you might be thinking.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 06:32:55 PM

New York Times Takes On (http://"http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/04/opinion/big-businesss-critical-role-on-anti-gay-laws.html") The New York Times (http://"http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/22/opinion/22fri1.html")

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With a single, disastrous 5-to-4 ruling, the Supreme Court has thrust politics back to the robber-baron era of the 19th century. Disingenuously waving the flag of the First Amendment, the court’s conservative majority has paved the way for corporations to use their vast treasuries to overwhelm elections and intimidate elected officials into doing their bidding.

Congress must act immediately to limit the damage of this radical decision, which strikes at the heart of democracy.

...

Big corporations like Walmart, Apple, Salesforce.com and General Electric and their executives have done the right thing by calling on officials in Indiana and Arkansas to reject “religious freedom” laws designed to give businesses and religious groups legal cover should they deny service to gay couples. But the business response to these laws raises a larger issue about the role companies play in the political process. If corporate leaders are serious in opposing discrimination, they should refuse to finance the campaigns of lawmakers who want to deny civil rights to gays and other minority groups.

...

The founders of this nation warned about the dangers of corporate influence.

...

In recent days, public statements from businesses like Walmart, which is based in Arkansas, have played a big part in getting the Arkansas governor, Asa Hutchinson, and the governor of Indiana, Mike Pence, to reconsider their previous support for the religious freedom laws as passed by their Legislatures. On Thursday, lawmakers in Indiana adopted changes to clarify that its law does not authorize discrimination. And Arkansas legislators changed their law so it closely mirrors a federal law.

...

If a member of Congress tries to stand up to a wealthy special interest, its lobbyists can credibly threaten: We’ll spend whatever it takes to defeat you.

...

Just issuing corporate statements against such a law is relatively easy and actually doesn’t provide protection against discrimination. If corporations and their executives care about civil rights, they should make clear that they will not donate to or support the campaigns of politicians who back such regressive legislation. They certainly shouldn’t back lawmakers like Senator Ted Cruz, Republican of Texas, who is running for president and who has been a vocal supporter of the initial versions of the Indiana and Arkansas laws, and Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, who suggested on Wednesday that gays have it pretty good in the United States because they are not executed here as they are in Iran.

Another thing businesses can do is to make clear that they want lawmakers in all states to pass anti-discrimination protections for lesbians, gay men, bisexuals and transgender people. More than three dozen chief executives of technology companies did just that in a statement released on Wednesday.

....

Congress and members of the public who care about fair elections and clean government need to mobilize right away, a cause President Obama has said he would join. Congress should repair the presidential public finance system and create another one for Congressional elections to help ordinary Americans contribute to campaigns. It should also enact a law requiring publicly traded corporations to get the approval of their shareholders before spending on political campaigns.

These would be important steps, but they would not be enough. The real solution lies in getting the court’s ruling overturned. The four dissenters made an eloquent case for why the decision was wrong on the law and dangerous. With one more vote, they could rescue democracy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 14, 2015, 06:50:34 PM

How could the founders warn against corporate influence when the corporation we have today more or less didn't exist then.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 06:55:59 PM

shhh, they're on a roll. Like this guy:

Quote

Wendy Davis could be VP for Clinton, but I think having 2 women on a ticket may be pushing the envelop for voters. Would be interesting though, and since Wendy Davis is Texan, she may be able to turn Texas blue.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2015, 07:03:48 PM

Joe Biden, VP for Life pls

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 14, 2015, 07:05:16 PM

Not to stick up too much for Rubio, but...

I've always been a bit frustrated in how much of a big deal his 'bottled water' gaffe became. Yeah, he looked a little goofy for a few seconds, but that shouldn't define him anymore then Howard Dean's scream or Obama's sometimes questionable fashion choices (http://www.thewire.com/politics/2014/03/obamas-mom-jeans-wire-investigation/359189/) Its a dumb noose the hang the guy on, I'd rather see him picked apart for his crappy, wavering positions and lack of charisma.

basically, I'm sick of looking at header images of him drinking water.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 14, 2015, 07:07:02 PM

Oh dark gods, I forgot about vice president wishful thinking.

I really need to GTFO before this election.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 07:11:35 PM

My favorite thing about the Vice Presidential talk (along with some of the other stuff like HISPANICS LOOOOVE IMMMIGRATION!!!!) is how it's more or less accepted bigotry or stereotype pumping.

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 14, 2015, 07:05:16 PM

I'd rather see him picked apart for his crappy, wavering positions and lack of charisma.

Yeah, but he took a drink of water while talking on TV. Like who gives a shit about any of that other stuff. What if he does it while President?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 14, 2015, 07:18:48 PM

Listen buster, idk about you, but the last time I voted for a vice president I didn't ask myself what their stance was on the class character of bourgeois society, it was whether or not they were Jewish. >:(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2015, 07:38:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 07:11:35 PM

(along with some of the other stuff like HISPANICS LOOOOVE IMMMIGRATION!!!!) is how it's more or less accepted bigotry or stereotype pumping.

step away from the kaus columns, benji

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 07:44:03 PM

Like 90% of talk about Republican candidates is whether or not they appeal to white citizens who happen to be ethnically hispanic by supporting amnesty or not. It's offensive that we don't hear anything about the views of citizens who are ethnically Swedish.

Also, he got fired from the Daily Caller for saying negative things about Faux News while you were gone.

He's also a Jew.

It's all coming together. The sword, the jews, the everything.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2015, 07:54:52 PM

Not to go all Willco on yall but I'm noticing some rather asinine identity politicking from both sides. From Brian Beutler's hand wringing over whether Hillary is too white for black people to the emerging consevative consensus that Rubio holds the key to the Hispanic vote.

Real talk: black demographic gains ensure the 2016 electorate will remain about 12-13%, and anyone hand wringing over it returning to 2004 levels is wrong. And even if Rubio is on the GOP ticket (top or bottom) he's not going to convince Hispanics to suddenly adopt positions they disagree with (anti-immigration, pro life, no government involvement in the economy, etc).

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 14, 2015, 08:15:57 PM

Rubio is an immigrant against immigration. Opportunity for me and I'll use my power to try to make none for you.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 14, 2015, 08:21:25 PM

The American way. :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 08:37:32 PM

Rubio was born in Miami, his parents fled Batista. Which proves the dangers of Communism.

The True American Way.  :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2015, 08:38:27 PM

Hey, Rubio was for immigration reform before he was against it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 08:58:36 PM

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/04/4-14-2015_01.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/04/4-14-2015_02.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/04/4-14-2015_05.png)

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Main reason you oppose legalizing use of marijuana…

“It’s a drug and it has considerable side effects. It should not be used recreationally, only for medicinal use.” Female, 20

“It’s a drug that makes you stupid. It affects your judgment and motor skills and in the long term it makes you lazy.” Male, 52

“It gets too many people on drugs. It would put too many drugs on the street, we don’t need that.” Male, 84

“I’m thinking of my child. I don’t want her to try this. I know it’s not good for her health or brain.” Female, 33

“We have enough addictive things that are already legal. We don’t need another one.” Male, 42

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/04/4-14-2015_07.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/04/4-14-2015_08.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2015, 09:01:16 PM

¡Marijuana es no bueno!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 09:01:21 PM

I'll have to assume this guy wrote this before he found out about the Chipotle scandal or else he wouldn't have needed a top ten list:
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df041415.html (http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df041415.html)

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Top Ten Reasons Why Hitlery Will Never Be President
GrassTopsUSA Exclusive Commentary
By Don Feder
April 14, 2015

       Think Evita after Botox treatments. Think Madame Defarge on a bad hair day. Think Lady Macbeth with serious issues ("Out, out, damned bimbo!").

       To listen to the babbling heads, you'd think the Goldwater girl-turned-Alinsky-disciple could start preparing her acceptance speech (maybe Eleanor Roosevelt will help her write it). "Ooh, she'll raise so much money." "Ooh, women want a woman president." In the immortal words of General Anthony McAuliffe: "Nuts!"

       Win the White House? Hillary couldn't win a popularity contest if she was the only contestant.

       Here are the Top Ten Reasons Hillary Rodham Clinton is more likely to become a Victoria's Secret lingerie model than the next president:

....

 10.   The Hideousness Factor – Lyndon Baines Johnson was the last profoundly ugly candidate to be elected president, and he was a legacy of the martyred JFK. Voters don't want a leader who looks frazzled or frumpy. We're told that Lincoln was too homely to be elected president in an age of television and paparazzi. But Lincoln's homely face had a dignity, a gravitas. If nothing else, we want a face that reassures us, not one that scares us, a la Night of the Living Alinskyites.

       Conservatives might as well get in their licks in now. After Iowa, we won't have Hillary to kick around any more.   

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 14, 2015, 09:20:59 PM

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/teen-fatally-shot-after-toddler-killed-was-toddlers-brother/ar-AAaYcUX?ocid=iehp

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 14, 2015, 10:29:31 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 08:58:36 PM

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Main reason you oppose legalizing use of marijuana…

“It’s a drug and it has considerable side effects. It should not be used recreationally, only for medicinal use.” Female, 20

“It’s a drug that makes you stupid. It affects your judgment and motor skills and in the long term it makes you lazy.” Male, 52

“It gets too many people on drugs. It would put too many drugs on the street, we don’t need that.” Male, 84

“I’m thinking of my child. I don’t want her to try this. I know it’s not good for her health or brain.” Female, 33

“We have enough addictive things that are already legal. We don’t need another one.” Male, 42

(http://i.imgur.com/jxMeygM.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2015, 10:31:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 09:01:21 PM

I'll have to assume this guy wrote this before he found out about the Chipotle scandal or else he wouldn't have needed a top ten list:
http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df041415.html (http://www.grasstopsusa.com/df041415.html)

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Top Ten Reasons Why Hitlery Will Never Be President
GrassTopsUSA Exclusive Commentary
By Don Feder
April 14, 2015

       Win the White House? Hillary couldn't win a popularity contest if she was the only contestant.

I'm not exactly hot for Hillary, but every single poll being conducted shows her obliterating all the candidates being fielded by the GOP.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2015, 10:33:25 PM

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I’m thinking of my child. I don’t want her to try this.

She probably doesn't want her daughter to get with a black dude either, but we don't have laws banning black people.  :yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2015, 10:42:21 PM

My favorite part of the poll is the 19% who responded it should be illegal because it's illegal.  :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 14, 2015, 10:45:33 PM

Laws exist because they do.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 15, 2015, 01:12:00 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on April 14, 2015, 08:15:57 PM

Rubio is an immigrant against immigration. Opportunity for me and I'll use my power to try to make none for you.

Rubio is an immigrant who sponsored an immigration bill before turning against it, because he needs to appeal to racist voters.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 02:12:16 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/15/us/politics/hillary-clintonwas-asked-about-email-2-years-ago.html?_r=0

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WASHINGTON — Hillary Rodham Clinton was directly asked by congressional investigators in a December 2012 letter whether she had used a private email account while serving as secretary of state, according to letters obtained by The New York Times.

But Mrs. Clinton did not reply to the letter. And when the State Department answered in March 2013, nearly two months after she left office, it ignored the question and provided no response.

The query was posed to Mrs. Clinton in a Dec. 13, 2012, letter from Representative Darrell Issa, the Republican chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. Mr. Issa was leading an investigation into how the Obama administration handled its officials’ use of personal email.

“Have you or any senior agency official ever used a personal email account to conduct official business?” Mr. Issa wrote to Mrs. Clinton. “If so, please identify the account used.”

She had a good two day run. Then Chipotle, now this.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 04:15:59 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XOGfoB8GTs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2015, 04:54:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfo0o7ay7A
:dead

his youtube videos are insane :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 07:25:43 PM

omg

https://vine.co/v/euQd1Dbvp1d

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 07:28:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuGprM5iqlk

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2015, 09:32:32 PM

Act like TMZ covering some pop culture celebrity, brehs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 15, 2015, 10:51:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2015, 04:54:53 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNfo0o7ay7A
:dead

his youtube videos are insane :lol

Please stop triggering my internalized market discipline and forcing me to live a Foucauldian nightmare.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2015, 11:16:55 PM

Why would I listen to someone WHO IS KNOWN COPYRIGHT STEALER THIEF PIRATE HACKER:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFhPSoUyFfk

And can't sync their video and audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GevJS5S9394
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaJiF8Tg9Q4

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNAybWfD36Q

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 15, 2015, 11:29:31 PM

Why did I watch the get a job vid. :beli

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 16, 2015, 12:40:05 AM

two random thoughts:

1) Marco Rubio's campaign team must be pretty top notch honestly. That message of "a new voice for a new generation" is damn near perfect. Especially when you're going up against Clinton and Bush as the biggest opponents the message of "You guys fucked it up already." Is going to have substantial legs to it. HOWEVER, a tea party guy making that message? That's like your Pastor trying to tell you about how cool death metal and the marijuana is.

2) I read today that 47% of American women are electing to never have children. 47%! My immediate thought to that was that the US doesn't have an immigration problem, it has an immigration solution.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 16, 2015, 12:32:16 PM

He could inspire me. To finally defect to Cuba.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on April 16, 2015, 12:47:44 PM

Quote from: Rand Paul, writing for TIME

Charles and David Koch are well known for their business success, their generous philanthropic efforts and for their focus on innovation in management. Some also know them for their activism in the political realm. All of these are important contributions to society. What is underappreciated is their passion for freedom and their commitment to ideas. Unlike many crony capitalists who troll the halls of Congress looking for favors, the Kochs have consistently lobbied against special-interest politics.

For decades they have funded institutes that promote ideas, not politics, such as Cato and the Mercatus Center. They have always stood for freedom, equality and opportunity. Consistent with their love of liberty, they have become prominent advocates for criminal-justice reform. The Koch brothers’ investment in freedom-loving think tanks will carry on for generations, reminding all of us that ideas and convictions ultimately trump all else.

 :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 16, 2015, 12:59:11 PM

Saying Cato isn't into politics is a bald face lie. The whole article proves one thing: Rand Paul swallows.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 16, 2015, 02:35:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on April 16, 2015, 03:38:38 AM

Biggest problem with Rubio is he isn't a leader. Like at all. Yes, I know he won a Senate seat, but most members of Congress aren't leaders,  they're lawyers who ran a good campaign.

Obama was just as inexperienced, but Obama was a guy you could look at and imagine following. I can't see Rubio inspiring a collie.

And the issue here is that it's easily provable. Remember when the republicans were like "We're going to fix Immigration and Rubio is going to be the guy who does it!" and then a month or so later the whole thing fell apart and they stopped doing talking about immigration until Obama was like "FINE! I'll do something!" If he can't lead his own party how is he to lead the country?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brawndolicious on April 16, 2015, 05:05:17 PM

It's weird in a bad way how Democrats basically accept already who their nominee is but Republicans basically have a shit show of totally different candidates. You got the royal heir to the establishment, the tea partier, a constitutional lawyer from Canada, and a Cuban. I think the Republicans will have the same tug of war with moderate and radical sides but whoever wins the nomination won't choose another Palin/Paul type to prove their conservative values. They know that doesn't work for independents.

And this is bad because it's going to because that change the focus from differences in policy between Hillary vs whoever to just why she doesn't "deserve" it. I don't know, I don't think there's that 2008 zeal for breaking glass ceilings and it's not like 2012 when the incumbent had a couple major accomplishments to tout.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Barry Egan on April 16, 2015, 05:28:15 PM

Elections tend to come down to the state of the economy.  The more the economy improves, the better her chances will be.  Her being the only visible contender right now isn't likely to alter her chances either way. 

That being said, I do wonder if Obamacare might push the ledger in Hillary's favor regardless of economic context.  The cognitive dissonance that Tea Partier is experiencing may be occurring in some homes that are reliably red. I wonder if there is a precedence for this kind of thing. 

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 16, 2015, 06:12:23 PM

The GOP has a lot of grifters which is why so many are running. They all want a slice of the PAC pie. Their messages and "values" aren't different from each other. Cruz may not get the nomination, but the one that does will have the same message.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2015, 06:45:35 PM

I'm surprised Rubio survived the immigration fiasco, and even more surprised he's giving up his senate seat to run. He's all in.

meanwhile Rand Paul has made sure that even if he loses he can still keep his seat.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 16, 2015, 07:50:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2015, 06:45:35 PM

I'm surprised Rubio survived the immigration fiasco, and even more surprised he's giving up his senate seat to run. He's all in.

meanwhile Rand Paul has made sure that even if he loses he can still keep his seat.

Grimes should run again, she might win this time with (hopefully) increased turnout.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2015, 08:39:22 PM

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The advocacy group founded by the Rev. Al Sharpton, along with female civil-rights leaders, are planning the hunger strike, in which groups of fasters will alternate days abstaining from food until Lynch is confirmed to replace Eric Holder at the Justice Department. Dubbed “Confirm Loretta Lynch Fast,” the new tactic is designed in the mold of actions by civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi and Cesar Chavez, organizers said.

:hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 16, 2015, 08:42:35 PM

Sharpton
:neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2015, 08:47:06 PM

That's some Lindsy Bluth shit.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 16, 2015, 09:22:08 PM

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Dubbed “Confirm Loretta Lynch Fast,” the new tactic is designed in the mold of actions by civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi and Cesar Chavez, organizers said.

Massive shade thrown on Bobby Sands. :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2015, 02:03:46 AM

Quote from: Vularai on April 16, 2015, 09:22:08 PM

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Dubbed “Confirm Loretta Lynch Fast,” the new tactic is designed in the mold of actions by civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi and Cesar Chavez, organizers said.

Massive shade thrown on Bobby Sands. :whew

It wouldn't help to namedrop Bobby Sands, all the IRA sympathizers are in Congress.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2015, 06:59:56 PM

Army morale low despite 6-year, $287M optimism program (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2015/04/16/army-survey-morale/24897455/)

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Twelve months of data through early 2015 show that 403,564 soldiers, or 52%, scored badly in the area of optimism, agreeing with statements such as "I rarely count on good things happening to me." Forty-eight percent have little satisfaction in or commitment to their jobs.

The results stem from resiliency assessments that soldiers are required to take every year. In 2014, for the first time, the Army pulled data from those assessments to help commanders gauge the psychological and physical health of their troops.

The effort produced startlingly negative results. In addition to low optimism and job satisfaction, more than half reported poor nutrition and sleep, and only 14% said they are eating right and getting enough rest.

The Army began a program of positive psychology in 2009 in the midst of two wars and as suicide and mental illness were on the rise. To measure resiliency the Army created a confidential, online questionnaire that all soldiers, including the National Guard and Reserve, must fill out once a year.

...

The Army's effort to use positive psychology to make soldiers more resilient has been controversial since its inception in 2009. A blue-ribbon panel of scientists from the Institute of Medicine, part of the National Academy of Sciences, concluded last year that there is little or no evidence the program prevents mental illness. It argued there was no effort to test its efficacy before the Army embraced it . The panel cited research arguing that, in fact, the program could be harmful if it leaves soldiers with a false sense of resiliency.

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/26f1e7d2eb6bf85d6af99e7a9955e646236582af/c=0-304-3592-3004&r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/2015/03/24/USATODAY/USATODAY/635628099531187378-Army-Morale.JPG)
lol at the massive "handbook" for sessions


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-16/exclusive-hillary-clinton-said-to-hire-former-wall-street-cop-as-campaign-cfo

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Hillary Clinton is planning to name Gary Gensler, a former top federal financial regulator and strong advocate for strict Wall Street rules, as the chief financial officer of her campaign, according to a Democrat familiar with the decision.

Gensler, in his role as chairman of the Commodity Futures Trading Commission, was a leading player in the drafting and then implementation of the Dodd-Frank Act, the financial rules that President Barack Obama signed into law in 2010 in the wake of the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. Gensler also served in President Bill Clinton's Treasury Department.

For Clinton, who has been fighting her left flank’s concern that she is too cozy with Wall Street, Gensler is a notable hire. He became known as someone with sharp elbows —even during his negotiations within the Obama administration—in his push for tighter regulation.

...

Though a former partner at Goldman Sachs Group Inc.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2015, 07:25:58 PM

My morale would be significantly boosted if someone wants to launch a $287M optimism program for me, just putting that out there.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Barry Egan on April 17, 2015, 07:45:53 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCz7QfzUUAAFn-x.jpg) :paul

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 17, 2015, 07:50:50 PM

:bow youth outreach :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2015, 08:21:01 PM

the hand wringing, concern trolling, and general fuckery that would erupt if Obama ran around with a backwards hat
:lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2015, 02:45:11 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on April 16, 2015, 05:28:15 PM

Elections tend to come down to the state of the economy.  The more the economy improves, the better her chances will be.  Her being the only visible contender right now isn't likely to alter her chances either way. 

That being said, I do wonder if Obamacare might push the ledger in Hillary's favor regardless of economic context.  The cognitive dissonance that Tea Partier is experiencing may be occurring in some homes that are reliably red. I wonder if there is a precedence for this kind of thing.

I don't think that will happen, at least not enough to matter.  Most conservative voters oppose the ACA primarily as a symbol for Obama, and maybe some unpopular parts of it like the mandate.  The GOP candidates, at least in the primaries, will run against Obamacare, but during the general election they'll fudge it enough that anyone who really wants to both vote Republican and keep their coverage will believe they can do both.

People will get used to the benefits conferred by the law, but they won't associate it with any piece of legislation, it'll just be The Way Things Are, and they won't go out of their way to reward the politicians who voted it into law years ago.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 18, 2015, 01:12:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2015, 08:21:01 PM

the hand wringing, concern trolling, and general fuckery that would erupt if Obama does anything
:lawd

.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 19, 2015, 01:36:06 PM

Didn't really feel like starting a new thread for it, but today's the 20th anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdAMxuEp7xg

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2015, 01:54:31 PM

I was in 6th grade, our teacher let us watch some of the news coverage on TV.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2015, 09:30:12 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/black-mayor-cops-resign-missouri

As the first black female mayor of Parma, Mo., took office last week, five of the town's six police officers resigned, Missouri television station KFVS reported.

The new mayor, Tyrus Byrd (pictured above on the right), was sworn in on Tuesday evening. Former Mayor Randall Ramsey told KFVS that in addition to the five police officers, the city's attorney, clerk and water treatment plant supervisor resigned due to "safety concerns."

Byrd was not aware why the five police officers resigned, according to KFVS. When she took office, Byrd said she could not find the resignation letters and that the city computers had been cleared. She told KFVS that she needs more information before addressing the resignations publicly.

Byrd was born and raised in Parma, and formerly served as the city clerk. Ramsey lost the mayoral election to Byrd by 37 votes after serving as the mayor for 37 years, according to KFVS.

#missouri

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 20, 2015, 09:36:27 AM

I just posted that in the cop thread. You have to wonder what kind of racket was going on there.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 21, 2015, 09:10:11 AM

Found my candidate

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/videos/waka-flocka-flame-for-president-watch-his-exclusive-campaign-video-20150420

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2015, 07:52:27 PM

http://thehill.com/regulation/other/239509-dc-attorney-general-looking-into-republican-photo-with-assault-rifle

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CCuRCtdVEAAoWY4.jpg)

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Police in Washington, D.C., have been referred materials for a possible investigation into two Republican congressmen who posed for a picture with an assault rifle in a House office building.

Rep. Ken Buck (R-Colo.) last week tweeted a picture of himself and Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), the leader of the House's Benghazi investigation, holding an AR-15.

Having the AR-15 in the District could be a violation of the city’s strict gun laws, and the city attorney general’s office has referred the matter to police, a spokesman told The Hill.

"The matter has been referred to the Metropolitan Police Department for further investigation,” he said.

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Congressman Ken Buck        ✔ @RepKenBuck
Follow
.@TGowdySC stopped by today and we got a photo with my AR-15 #2A #SecondAmendment @TPPatriots @TeaPartyExpress

I hope they rot in prison.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 21, 2015, 07:54:30 PM

The paint job on that is so bad I thought it was a FAL.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 21, 2015, 07:55:44 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/239570-jeb-bush-praises-obama-over-nsa-spying

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Jeb Bush, a likely presidential contender, said Tuesday that President Obama’s greatest accomplishment was keeping in place controversial spying programs at the National Security Agency.

“I would say the best part of the Obama administration would be his continuance of the protections of the homeland using the big metadata programs,” Bush said in an interview on the Michael Medved radio show.

Bush argued the NSA programs had been “enhanced” under Obama, even if the president “never defends them or openly admits it.”

The former Florida governor said the NSA’s bulk collection of Americans’ phone data was “an important service” carried out in a way that protects individual civil liberties.

He lauded the Obama administration for refusing to buckle under pressure from Democrats, civil liberties groups and some Republicans.

“He has not abandoned them,” Bush said.

:american :obama :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2015, 07:56:21 PM

Gowdy's hair should be a crime against humanity.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 21, 2015, 07:58:58 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2015, 07:56:21 PM

Gowdy's hair should be a crime against humanity.

u could say it's rather................ gaudy

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 21, 2015, 09:35:39 PM

Don't know which is worse, that paint job or Gowdy's stupendously awful suit.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2015, 01:53:04 AM

I like the suit, but I've already stated my views on politicians suits extensively in this thread.

EDIT: Found it:
(http://static1.1.sqspcdn.com/static/f/357927/8753961/1285778420607/ReaganPreppy.jpg)

Full picture of the dork Reagan's shaking hands with, spoilered because large:

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(http://thedailybanter.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/reagan_plaid.jpg)

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Apparently Reagan's wearing a pink shirt with white collars? mac?

Also found this amazing picture while looking for it, spoiler tags because it's also large:

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(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1171940/thumbs/o-RONALD-REAGAN-BILL-CLINTON-facebook.jpg)

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 22, 2015, 07:59:40 AM

YES

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 22, 2015, 03:10:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/hq30ebU.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 22, 2015, 03:15:07 PM

I don't really do poor people taxes but whenever I see this talking point I'd love to know how much of it stems from using the Internal Revenue Code to subsidize parenting, home ownership, and other (Weberian) bourgeois goodies for people that can't afford them but are too stupid to know better.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 22, 2015, 03:54:20 PM

Complain about high taxes while championing the need to be world police, brehs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 22, 2015, 04:22:10 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on April 22, 2015, 03:54:20 PM

Complain about high taxes while championing the need to be world police, brehs.

Complain about government invasion of personal liberties while championing an oppressive police state.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 23, 2015, 02:25:49 AM

I was in the cab in Canada today and the cabbie was talking about how the US has it so much better cause taxes are lower and they don't have to pay taxes for healthcare.
I told him how much I pay monthly for my insurance premium.
He paused a sec and said, "Maybe Canada isn't that bad."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 23, 2015, 12:53:36 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/23/politics/white-house-hostages-killed/index.html

Drones, brehs

(http://i.imgur.com/GpWLgH1.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 01:15:33 PM

Italians in general probably should have more responsible fathers.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 01:16:25 PM

terrorist fist bump on Senate floor: https://vine.co/v/eaDazpDzxnU

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2015, 01:57:28 PM

Quote from: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/23/media/comcast-merger-fcc-recommends-hearing/index.html

The $45 billion Comcast-Time Warner Cable merger that initially seemed inevitable now seems almost impossible.

After a series of meetings between the cable companies and government regulators, some of the parties involved have begun speaking about the proposed deal in the past tense.

:rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 08:18:18 PM

Quote from: https://steveking.house.gov/media-center/press-releases/king-introduces-restrain-the-judges-on-marriage-act

Washington, D.C. – Congressman Steve King released the following statement after introducing his bill “Restrain the Judges on Marriage Act of 2015.” This bill strips federal courts of jurisdiction to hear cases related to marriage.  The effect of the bill would prevent federal courts from hearing marriage cases, leaving the issue to the States where it properly belongs.

“For too long, federal courts have overstepped their constitutionally limited duty to interpret the Constitution.” Said King. “Rather, federal courts have perverted the Constitution to make law and create constitutional rights to things such as privacy, birth control, and abortion.  These unenumerated, so-called constitutionally-protected rights were not envisioned by our Founding Fathers.

My bill strips Article III courts of jurisdiction, and the Supreme Court of appellate jurisdiction, ‘to hear or decide any question pertaining to the interpretation of, or the validity under the Constitution of, any type of marriage.’ Second, my bill provides that ‘[n]o federal funds may be used for any litigation in, or enforcement of any order or judgment by, any court created by an Act of Congress.’

I urge the House to bring this bill to the Floor. If passed, my bill would stop the Court from destroying traditional marriage and preserve the votes of millions of voters in States that have passed bans on same-sex marriage.”

neat

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 23, 2015, 08:42:37 PM

There would be way more fallout from that bill than just ssm. SSM wouldn't even be the tip of the iceberg.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 23, 2015, 08:50:38 PM

Quote

I urge the House to bring this bill to the Floor. If passed, my bill would stop the Court from destroying traditional marriage and preserve the votes of millions of voters in States that have passed bans on same-sex marriage.

lol, ballwash dudes who created a whole legislature without direct election of members and then spin this yarn.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 09:10:02 PM

Some rights are too important to be left in the hands of democracy.

Or to the courts.

Like the right to establish government recognized marriage as one man, one woman.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2015, 09:21:06 PM

I hope that bill passes just so I can how King reacts when it's eventually struck down by the Supreme Court. :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 10:54:54 PM

The New York Times had already done research on it after a related story in 2009 or something, apparently the "exclusive deal" was because the book contained the "connecting piece" missing from their older story or something. That's what put this story together now, the NYT already having a bunch of stuff sitting around. Though they're still looking for a "smoking gun" to really make it a Benghazi level scandal.

"other trite phrase"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2015, 10:56:08 PM

It won't and nobody cares.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 11:07:34 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2015, 10:56:08 PM

It won't and nobody cares.

Exactly. The Clintons dreams to rule forever are already dead: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/disastrous-clinton-post-presidency.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 23, 2015, 11:23:38 PM

It's amusing that the actual allegation here is "Hillary Clinton accepted donations to her charity in order to prevent her from stopping the sale of a privately-held Canadian company to a Russian firm." The sale wasn't even her decision to make, it wasn't even solely under review by the State Department, but rather it was part of a review by an intra-governmental panel made up of people from several different federal agencies and the decision not to block the sale came at the end of a long, bureaucratic process.

But, yeah, HILLARY SOLD NUKES TO RUSSIA will be an allegation you'll hear from certain circles until whatever other thing comes up in a few weeks.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 11:32:44 PM

 :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw

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(http://c9.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/pic_corner_fiorina_04222015.jpg)

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2015, 11:34:18 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/417405/president-obama-leader-men-david-french

 :teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 24, 2015, 01:54:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slWmQ6TLBgA

:rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 11:31:59 PM

http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/democrats-went-all-in-on-hillary-clinton-it-s-looking-like-a-terrible-bet-20150423

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Democrats didn't fully appreciate the size of the gamble they're taking on Hillary Clinton by assuming she's their strongest 2016 candidate, but they're sure finding out now.

Forget the email server. The latest revelation—that a Canadian mining company with close ties to the Clinton Foundation sold its uranium business to the Russians with approval from Clinton's State Department—is more damaging than any of the previous controversies that have buffeted the campaign.

The story goes to the heart of several serious, growing vulnerabilities that Clinton will be facing, sooner or later.

...

Finally, her evasive answers in dealing with the controversy, refusing to address the specifics of the reporting and using her campaign team to attack the messenger(s) shows both how serious the allegations are, and how unprepared she is for the scrutiny. Polling has already shown her standing taking a serious nosedive, as more questions are raised about her conduct in office.

Usually candidates who announce their campaign see a boomlet in popularity. The opposite is happening with Clinton, who is at least as unpopular as she is popular, according to a new Quinnipiac poll released Thursday. A 47 percent plurality view her unfavorably while 46 percent view her favorably. For the first time, her net unfavorable ratings put her (narrowly) behind several Republican contenders, including Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, and Rand Paul. Her trustworthiness is taking a bigger hit: Only 38 percent view her as being honest, while 54 percent disagree.

These are glaring red flags that would usually be an inducement for other Democratic candidates to run and challenge her. But the normal rules of politics don't seem to apply in a Clinton-controlled Democratic Party.

For all the Democratic denial, the controversies are already undermining one of Clinton's major campaign assets.

What's striking is how little she's talked about her record as secretary during her first two weeks on the campaign trail. It's no coincidence that she's been conspicuously silent on that front; it's an acknowledgement that it's becoming a political vulnerability. She understands that any time she brings up her record, uncomfortable questions about her conflict of interest with the family foundation will come up.

Do with it, what you will PD.  :teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 11:33:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7rYEfIFVE8

 :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 24, 2015, 11:36:46 PM

 :lucas I didn't realize 20% of a market was a cornered market.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 11:51:03 PM

Welp, the Washington Times has done it, they've created the ultimate headline: ACLU sues feds to force Catholic charities to provide abortions for illegal immigrants (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/23/aclu-lawsuit-pushes-feds-force-catholic-charities-/)

Wrap it up, we're done. Peak clickbait has been reached.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 11:52:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEPJnUVr6j4

 :rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2015, 01:57:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 24, 2015, 11:31:59 PM

http://www.nationaljournal.com/against-the-grain/democrats-went-all-in-on-hillary-clinton-it-s-looking-like-a-terrible-bet-20150423

Quote

Democrats didn't fully appreciate the size of the gamble they're taking on Hillary Clinton by assuming she's their strongest 2016 candidate, but they're sure finding out now.

Forget the email server. The latest revelation—that a Canadian mining company with close ties to the Clinton Foundation sold its uranium business to the Russians with approval from Clinton's State Department—is more damaging than any of the previous controversies that have buffeted the campaign.

The story goes to the heart of several serious, growing vulnerabilities that Clinton will be facing, sooner or later.

...

Finally, her evasive answers in dealing with the controversy, refusing to address the specifics of the reporting and using her campaign team to attack the messenger(s) shows both how serious the allegations are, and how unprepared she is for the scrutiny. Polling has already shown her standing taking a serious nosedive, as more questions are raised about her conduct in office.

Usually candidates who announce their campaign see a boomlet in popularity. The opposite is happening with Clinton, who is at least as unpopular as she is popular, according to a new Quinnipiac poll released Thursday. A 47 percent plurality view her unfavorably while 46 percent view her favorably. For the first time, her net unfavorable ratings put her (narrowly) behind several Republican contenders, including Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, and Rand Paul. Her trustworthiness is taking a bigger hit: Only 38 percent view her as being honest, while 54 percent disagree.

These are glaring red flags that would usually be an inducement for other Democratic candidates to run and challenge her. But the normal rules of politics don't seem to apply in a Clinton-controlled Democratic Party.

For all the Democratic denial, the controversies are already undermining one of Clinton's major campaign assets.

What's striking is how little she's talked about her record as secretary during her first two weeks on the campaign trail. It's no coincidence that she's been conspicuously silent on that front; it's an acknowledgement that it's becoming a political vulnerability. She understands that any time she brings up her record, uncomfortable questions about her conflict of interest with the family foundation will come up.

Do with it, what you will PD.  :teehee

What about the other 8 regulatory agencies and the Canadian government that signed off on the agreement? They make it sound like Hillary hand delivered uranium to Putin. Who, of course, will send it to Iran to make it weaponized.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2015, 02:10:15 PM

The Utah state government had to sign off on it, too. And according to people involved in approving the sale, Hillary didn't even had a hand in any of it and probably didn't even know it was going on.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2015, 03:28:23 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2015, 02:10:15 PM

The Utah state government had to sign off on it, too. And according to people involved in approving the sale, Hillary didn't even had a hand in any of it and probably didn't even know it was going on.

like Benghazi

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2015, 05:52:16 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on April 25, 2015, 04:20:49 PM

I'm waiting for the next set of polls.

I'm waiting for the polls that come out the week before the actual election date.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2015, 05:55:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2015, 05:52:16 PM

I'm waiting for the polls that come out the week before the actual election date.

It's too late to get your model to unskew them up and running by then.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2015, 10:37:31 PM

:beli :beli

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 25, 2015, 10:51:49 PM

You hold senators in higher regard than I do.

Maybe I should bookmark jewishagency.org now. I think I'm still young enough for the Young Aliyah program. :phil

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2015, 11:11:37 PM

They also have a bill to extend ACA subsidies for when the SC shitcans it. They'll be extended into 2017 in order to neutralize the issue during the 2016 election.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2015, 02:02:09 AM

http://fox2now.com/2015/04/23/new-kinloch-mayor-blocked-by-police-from-entering-city-hall/

What the christ, Missouri.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2015, 02:20:44 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 26, 2015, 02:02:09 AM

http://fox2now.com/2015/04/23/new-kinloch-mayor-blocked-by-police-from-entering-city-hall/

What the christ, Missouri.

Obama gonna have to send in the National Guard to integrate Missouri city halls?  :snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 26, 2015, 02:26:37 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2015, 11:11:37 PM

They also have a bill to extend ACA subsidies for when the SC shitcans it. They'll be extended into 2017 in order to neutralize the issue during the 2016 election.

That bill repeals the individual mandate, small business mandate, etc. It will be vetoed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on April 26, 2015, 08:35:55 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 26, 2015, 02:02:09 AM

http://fox2now.com/2015/04/23/new-kinloch-mayor-blocked-by-police-from-entering-city-hall/

What the christ, Missouri.

It's 20 fucking 15. :-\

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2015, 09:18:51 AM

More details and background in this article:

Quote from: http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/metro/alleging-voter-fraud-kinloch-refuses-to-swear-in-new-mayor/article_aa5e23e8-4a16-5573-8ff8-9c7897e4a7f2.html

Betty McCray, Kinloch’s newly elected Mayor, arrived at City Hall on Thursday morning with an entourage and the intention to fire multiple city employees.

But before she could enter the building, McCray was told she was the one who was out of job.

In the parking lot, McCray was met by a half-dozen police officers and City Attorney James Robinson, who held a manila envelope under his arm containing articles of impeachment.

“You can’t come in as mayor,” Robinson said. “You have been suspended.”

McCray refused to take the envelope, saying, “You may be the attorney now, but I promise you, you won’t be later.”

Robinson also told Alderman Eric Petty, an ally of McCray’s, that the board had drafted articles of impeachment against him. Petty, too, refused to accept them.

“We won,” he said. “It’s time for them to move on.”

Kinloch, the first city in Missouri to be incorporated by African-Americans, is situated between Ferguson and Lambert-St. Louis International Airport. It once thrived with more than 10,000 residents. Then in the 1980s, the airport began buying homes for a noise-abatement program, purchasing roughly 1,360 properties. The city’s population plummeted, and poverty and blight took hold.
Today, Kinloch, which has fewer than 300 residents, is marked by pilfered coffers, shady land deals and increasingly bitter fights over the last remnants of political power.
During the past five years, the city has seen the imprisonment of a former mayor on federal fraud and theft charges, the hiring of a convicted felon as city manager, the selling of a previous city hall building to an alleged drug dealer and the unseating of at least two aldermen.
Now there are fresh allegations of voter fraud.

On April 7, McCray defeated Mayor Darren Small with 38 votes to his 18. Another candidate, Theda Wilson, received two votes. Petty ran unopposed. After the Board of Aldermen declined to swear them in, the two were sworn in by a St. Louis County circuit court clerk on Tuesday.

On Thursday, Robinson declined to provide copies of impeachment charges. Nor would he reveal who on the Board of Alderman voted to suspend McCray, except to say they voted in a meeting on Monday.

According to documents obtained by the Post-Dispatch through a records request, the city has raised concerns to the St. Louis County Board of Elections and the Missouri Secretary of State about people being registered to vote in Kinloch who no longer live there. On April 2, the city gave the Election Board a list of 27 names of people who it claimed were illegally registered; many of those individual addresses were listed at city-owned apartments.

McCray said that the concerns about people’s being illegally registered were “absurd.”

“It never came up until I ran for mayor,” she said, adding that people were still living at the addresses the city claims are empty.

At least two of the apartments in question on Tuttle Street, where six people are registered to vote, according to the city, appeared this week to have been unoccupied for some time. Both were stripped of furniture and appliances. In one, a jar of pickles and two spent oxygen tanks sat amid other debris on the floor.

Petty said the homes were vacant because the city began evicting people behind on rent shortly before the election because the tenants were supporters of McCray.

But City Manager Justine Blue said that wasn’t true. The only people who the city is evicting still live in their apartments, she said. The city did file lawsuits to evict some residents, but that was on Thursday, court records show. Blue said those residents have yet to be formally served with eviction notices.

“Besides, we would have no idea who would be supporting Ms. McCray,” Blue said.

Blue, Small’s cousin, took over at City Hall just after Small was elected in 2012. The previous city manager, Eric Mason, was a parolee once convicted of writing bad checks.

County Republican Election Director Gary Fuhr said that in response to the city’s complaints, the election board sent four canvassers to Kinloch on Tuesday to verify that voters were registered to correct addresses. He declined to say what canvassers found.

The city also filed a lawsuit in March against McCray, alleging that she fraudulently obtained a house from the city in 2008. The home was one of 17 properties that the airport bought with federal noise abatement money in the 1990s. The airport later determined the noise wasn’t loud enough to prohibit residential development and sold the properties back to the city for $354,000 in 2007.

Property records don’t show how much McCray paid for her home. The sale price wasn’t recorded with the St. Louis County assessor’s office. McCray said that the homes were advertised to everyone and that she paid $9,000 for the four-bedroom, two-bath home.

But the suit alleges that previous mayor Keith Conway — who served time in prison on charges of wire fraud, theft from a federal program and witness tampering — gave McCray the house for free. McCray was serving on the Board of Aldermen at the time.

“I didn’t defraud the city of anything,” McCray said. “They are trying to get those homes back, so they can get the money and put it in their pocket.”

When McCray was at City Hall on Thursday, she announced that she was firing Blue and Court Clerk Bridget Washington; but during the ordeal, she never came within earshot of them.

After Robinson confronted her with impeachment papers, McCray and her supporters gathered in a semi-circle to pray. Then, when it was clear she wouldn’t take office on this day, the mayor-elect said she was heading to Clayton for one purpose:

To find a good lawyer.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on April 26, 2015, 09:50:26 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/rMjIGtX.jpg)

So, if she hadn't been elected...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 26, 2015, 12:40:32 PM

Isn't the city 90% black and the former mayor is black too?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2015, 02:57:46 PM

Had to double-check and make sure this was a separate story from the one where the police all resigned and wiped the computers.

But they're both in MO.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2015, 11:25:00 PM

Quote

On April 7, McCray defeated Mayor Darren Small with 38 votes to his 18. Another candidate, Theda Wilson, received two votes. Petty ran unopposed. After the Board of Aldermen declined to swear them in, the two were sworn in by a St. Louis County circuit court clerk on Tuesday.

On Thursday, Robinson declined to provide copies of impeachment charges. Nor would he reveal who on the Board of Alderman voted to suspend McCray, except to say they voted in a meeting on Monday.

According to documents obtained by the Post-Dispatch through a records request, the city has raised concerns to the St. Louis County Board of Elections and the Missouri Secretary of State about people being registered to vote in Kinloch who no longer live there. On April 2, the city gave the Election Board a list of 27 names of people who it claimed were illegally registered; many of those individual addresses were listed at city-owned apartments.

They can't just hold another election some afternoon?

Nice system there where you can get impeached without being notified of the charges or the vote.

But this is actually the top favorite part:

Quote

During the past five years, the city has seen the imprisonment of a former mayor on federal fraud and theft charges, the hiring of a convicted felon as city manager, the selling of a previous city hall building to an alleged drug dealer and the unseating of at least two aldermen.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2015, 12:20:07 AM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-26/clinton-foundation-acknowledges-mistakes-as-schweizer-calls-for-investigation

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The Clinton Foundation's acting CEO, Maura Pally, on Sunday admitted to some mistakes in the organization's listing of donations from foreign governments on its tax forms.

In a statement, Pally wrote, "Our total revenue was accurately reported on each year's form—our error was that government grants were mistakenly combined with other donations. Those same grants have always been properly listed and broken out and available for anyone to see on our audited financial statements, posted on our website."

"So yes, we made mistakes, as many organizations of our size do, but we are acting quickly to remedy them, and have taken steps to ensure they don't happen in the future," the statement says. "We are committed to operating the Foundation responsibly and effectively to continue the life-changing work that this philanthropy is doing every day."

...

Schweizer on Sunday appeared on ABC's This Week and on Fox's Fox News Sunday to talk about the claims in the book. In both of those appearances, he likened the situation to issues of insider trading or corruption where it is impossible to find a piece of evidence that clearly demarcates a quid pro quo or an explicit agreement, but the charges can still be proved by showing a pattern of mutually beneficial decisions. On This Week, he used as examples the corruption cases against former Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell and the recent charges against New Jersey Senator Bob Menendez. Both were accused (and in McDonnell's case convicted) of accepting gifts in exchange for favors. Throughout the interview, Schweizer referred to McDonnell as "McConnell."

"For example, Governor [McDonnell] down in Virginia, or you look at Senator Menendez, in these cases, you didn't have evidence of a quid pro quo.  What you had was funds flowing to elected officials, some of them gifts, some of them campaign contributions and actions that were being taken by those public officials that seemed to benefit the contributors," Schweizer said.

The other example Schweizer used in both interviews was that of insider trading. In insider trading cases, he said, there's rarely a damning e-mail that specifically refers to inside information that will affect the value of a security. Instead, those cases are prosecuted by demonstrating a pattern.

"The way they look at it, they look at a pattern of stock trades," Schweizer said. "If the person has access to that information and then they do a series of well-timed trades.  That warrants investigation. I think the same thing applies here."

The one thing that's been stupid is the "left's" attacking Schweizer as a right-wing hack line. He's entire open about his political positions but his previous two books went after everyone and Extortion had a whole chapter about how shitty and corrupt John Boehner's House leadership has been and how shit some Senators were at using their PACs.

That's why CBS teamed up with him for these reports that stemmed from his prior books:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/congress-trading-stock-on-inside-information/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/washingtons-open-secret-profitable-pacs/

Plus his Boehner stuff in the book was focused on how hardline he is on these quotas:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/08/call-time-congressional-fundraising_n_2427291.html
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/461/take-the-money-and-run-for-office
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/06/the-humiliating-fundraising-existence-of-a-member-of-congress/277227/

He got a hold of the GOP's TOP SECRET DO NOT SHARE EVER required quotas for each committee membership, chairmanship, etc. document for that book iirc.

He's a muckraker, but there's nothing wrong with that really, "left" muckrakers are great too imo. Everybody loves The Jungle, and that was from a muckraker that did the same "there's a lot of smoke, someone should see if there's fire" method.

Haven't read the Hillary book, but if this is all the muck he could rake up to put in it? The GOP's not going to be able to run on "Clinton scandals" in the general too much.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 06:01:01 PM

https://twitter.com/RMConservative/status/592810026785464321

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2015, 09:29:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2015, 06:01:01 PM

https://twitter.com/RMConservative/status/592810026785464321

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kirbmelo ‏@spaceghostkirb  3h3 hours ago
@RMConservative lol what does that have to do with anything?!

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Alan Stump ‏@AlanStump1  3h3 hours ago
@RMConservative @DrRandPaul Not like they vote #GOP but that's beside the point, unless this is about G. Gordon voting again.

Always love a Liddy shout out.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: kingkitty on April 28, 2015, 07:00:08 PM

Bernie Sanders is fired up and ready to go.

Also:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/1zO3s7g.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iGQqycP.jpg)
Related?

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 28, 2015, 10:02:48 PM

The filthy socialist in me will vote for Bernie Sanders, but I have no idea why he thinks he can survive the primary against Hillary.
But there's a good chance that I'll be voting for him unless Warren runs. She runs and all bets are off.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2015, 12:19:02 AM

Fleeing Hillary: Top Dem money man departs because Clinton hasn’t answered ethics questions (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/apr/26/hillary-clinton-foreign-donations-email-agenda-que/)

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A top Democratic moneyman recruited by Hillary Rodham Clinton’s presidential campaign has put fundraising activities on hold, saying he can’t do it with a clear conscience because the former secretary of state has too many unanswered questions swirling around her.

New York businessman Jon Cooper, who Team Clinton enlisted for its elite corps of early fundraisers known as “HillStarters,” said that he decided not to tap his donor network for Mrs. Clinton because she hasn’t provided enough answers about foreign donations to the Clinton Foundation while she ran the State Department, her exclusive use of private email for official business as America’s top diplomat and her commitment to liberal priorities.

“I’m officially on the fence,” said Mr. Cooper, a bundler for President Obama’s campaigns who is active in Democratic politics in New York, which Mrs. Clinton represented in the U.S. Senate and where she has set up her campaign headquarters.

Mr. Cooper said he was writing a fundraising email to the roughly 10,000 people in his network when he realized that his heart wasn’t in it.

“I was sitting there trying to draft the email, and I just couldn’t do it,” he told The Washington Times.

Mr. Cooper, who is openly gay and married to longtime partner Robert Cooper, said he was disappointed with how long it took Mrs. Clinton to support gay marriage as a constitutional right plus her reluctance to back a liberal economic agenda, including raising the federal minimum wage.

But his concerns about Mrs. Clinton only deepened with revelations about potential conflicts of interest from the Clinton Foundation pocketing donations from foreign entities with business pending before the State Department and her use of a private email in office that may have violated federal open records laws.

“It’s just the drip, drip, drip that is a little concerning, and I just wish that there would have been a more forceful response from the Clinton campaign to some of this,” he said.

He hasn’t ruled out eventually supporting Mrs. Clinton, especially if, as expected, she wins the Democratic presidential nomination. And the Clinton campaign likely will still benefit from a powerful fundraising operation, despite Mr. Cooper’s early absence from the effort.

But Mr. Cooper’s misgivings, and his willingness to make them public, underscores a growing angst in the upper echelon of the Democratic Party about the Clinton campaign.

“I’m not saying there are any inherent weakness[es] in Hillary as a candidate, but there are some valid questions that are being raised by good people, and I think we need to have better answers to some of these questions,” said Mr. Cooper.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2015, 02:49:52 AM

(http://blog.independent.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Short.png)

Republican Congress getting it done.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 29, 2015, 02:54:24 AM

percent of total employed lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2015, 03:01:30 AM

percent of unliberated labor

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2015, 03:41:09 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/04/61-times-kristol-reminded-of-hitler-churchill.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2015, 06:37:00 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/texas-governor-abbott-orders-national-guard-military-takeover

Texas Republican Gov. Greg Abbott on Tuesday asked the State Guard to monitor a U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" amid Internet-fueled suspicions that the war simulation is really a hostile military takeover.

 :cac

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2015, 07:06:03 PM

http://townhall.com/columnists/toddstarnes/2015/04/28/we-will-not-obey-christian-leaders-threaten-civil-disobedience-if-supreme-court-legalizes-gay-marriage-n1991740/page/full

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“We will not obey.”

That’s the blunt warning a group of prominent religious leaders is sending to the Supreme Court of the United States as they consider same-sex marriage.

“We respectfully warn the Supreme Court not to cross that line,” read a document titled, Pledge in Solidarity to Defend Marriage. “We stand united together in defense of marriage. Make no mistake about our resolve.”

“While there are many things we can endure, redefining marriage is so fundamental to the natural order and the common good that this is the line we must draw and one we cannot and will not cross,” the pledge states.

The signees are a who’s who of religious leaders including former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum, National Religious Broadcasters president Jerry Johnson, Pastor John Hagee, and Franklin Graham, president and CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association and Samaritan’s Purse.

The pledge was crafted by Rick Scarborough, the president of Vision America Action; James Dobson, the founder of Family Talk Radio; and Mat Staver, the founder of Liberty Counsel.

“We’re sending a warning to the Supreme Court and frankly any court that crosses the line on the issue of marriage,” Staver told me.

He said that once same-sex marriage is elevated to the level of protected status – it will transform the face of society and will result in the “beginning of the end of Western Civilization.”

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“I’m calling for people to not recognize the legitimacy of that ruling because it’s not grounded in the Rule of Law,” he told me. “They need to resist that ruling in every way possible. In a peaceful way – they need to resist it as much as Martin Luther King, Jr. resisted unjust laws in his time.”

Scarborough said the pledge was meant to be forthright and clear.

“We’re facing a real Constitutional crisis if the Supreme Court rules adversely from our perspective on same-sex marriage,” he told me. For me there’s no option. I’m going to choose to serve the Lord. And I think that thousands of other pastors will take that position and hundreds of thousands – if not millions of Christians.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 29, 2015, 08:18:39 PM

because as we all know, western civilization was built on the principle "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on April 29, 2015, 08:44:10 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on April 29, 2015, 08:18:39 PM

because as we all know, western civilization was built on the principle "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve"

When the truth doesn't serve your needs, Koine new meanings for words.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 29, 2015, 09:03:49 PM

I can see the right wing "culture war"engines starting up already. Can't run on issues, run on fear.
And I hope they do it too. Because they don't realize, they're in the minority on this one.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2015, 09:28:08 PM

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“We’re facing a real Constitutional crisis if the Supreme Court rules adversely from our perspective on same-sex marriage,” he told me.

It's not about you. It's about your attitude.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 01, 2015, 12:38:37 PM

Quick, someone ask the Morning Joe idiots how they feel about the Bridgegate investigation and their BFF Chris Christie now

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/david-wildstein-revenge-bridgegate-plea

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2015, 12:44:46 PM

I guess Wildstein finally figured out Christie won't be elected president and can't pardon him.
:heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: doctavius bonbon on May 01, 2015, 01:42:33 PM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UTcJwYVHi6w

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 :rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 01, 2015, 01:50:27 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on April 29, 2015, 01:17:37 AM

Tbh I'm voting for the ACA's survival and up to 4 Supreme Court seats more than I am for Hilldawg.

American politics, right here. They find your wedge issue, scare you into voting a certain way, then ignore you once elected.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 01, 2015, 04:51:35 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 01, 2015, 01:50:27 PM

American politics, right here. They find your wedge issue, scare you into voting a certain way, then ignore you once elected.

Other people are going to care about different shit from you.  Doesn't make them worse than you.   :yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 01, 2015, 04:58:04 PM

A lot of crow being eaten today with bridgegate and police indictments.  :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 01, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

They don't actually care about whether or not a police state exists, just that if it does it serves their aims.

See also: liberals whining about surveillance in illiberal states when pretty much the only way you can communicate without worrying about the NSA reading it is to use one-time pads that only exist on paper.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2015, 06:30:33 PM

Quote from: Vularai on May 01, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

They don't actually care about whether or not a police state exists, just that if it does it serves their aims.

See also: liberals whining about surveillance in illiberal states when pretty much the only way you can communicate without worrying about the NSA reading it is to use one-time pads that only exist on paper.

Surveillance drones tho  :ufup

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2015, 08:02:58 PM

Quote from: Vularai on May 01, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

They don't actually care about whether or not a police state exists, just that if it does it serves their aims.

See also: liberals whining about surveillance in illiberal states when pretty much the only way you can communicate without worrying about the NSA reading it is to use one-time pads that only exist on paper.

Republicans did it first, therefore it's okay. Everything Republicans do is great. Vote for the real thing, not the rip-off!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2015, 08:18:56 PM

I can't wait until your gaf ban is over. :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 01, 2015, 08:23:17 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2015, 06:30:33 PM

Quote from: Vularai on May 01, 2015, 05:38:07 PM

They don't actually care about whether or not a police state exists, just that if it does it serves their aims.

See also: liberals whining about surveillance in illiberal states when pretty much the only way you can communicate without worrying about the NSA reading it is to use one-time pads that only exist on paper.

Surveillance drones tho  :ufup

Please, you put the one-time pad in a lead canister and then you leave it at the dead drop.  ::)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 01:57:38 AM

Sanders raised $1.5 million in his first 24 hours, so he might actually hit double digits in the polls: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/05/01/bernie-sanders-raises-1-5-million-in-24-hours-says-his-campaign/

Found this a bit amusing: http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/240797-pa-announces-back-up-plan-if-court-cripples-obamacare

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Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Wolf (D) on Friday outlined a contingency plan for his state in case the Supreme Court guts ObamaCare.

Wolf’s plan calls for Pennsylvania to set up its own insurance marketplace if the court rules against the Obama administration in the case King v. Burwell. The case could revoke subsidies that help 7.5 million people afford healthcare coverage, but only in the roughly three-dozen states relying on the federal marketplace.

If Pennsylvania sets up its own marketplace, as 13 other states have, subsidies there would continue to flow.

“In order to protect 382,000 Pennsylvanians from potentially losing subsidies that help them afford health care coverage, I have written to the federal government outlining a contingency plan to set up a state-based marketplace to ensure no one loses their health coverage,” Wolf said in a statement.

...

Pennsylvania does not envision setting up a marketplace that it runs completely by itself. Instead, it says “Pennsylvania will assume responsibility for running the Marketplace, but will leverage the Federally Facilitated Marketplace’s (FFM’s) existing infrastructure to provide certain services.”

The state says it will work closely with the federal government to figure out which responsibilities would be on the state level and which would be federal.

So...why doesn't it try to setup a state marketplace irregardless of King?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 01:57:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCueO9fSDXs

PD, or one of our lurkers, post this in PoliGAF for me  :-*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 02, 2015, 02:13:52 AM

:rofl WTF at the ISIS cameo out of nowhere. :rofl

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This place. :goty

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 02:30:21 AM

That was seriously the best foreign policy segment of a campaign video, was like a sudden 10 second supercut of a Call of Battlefield trailer.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 02, 2015, 10:06:51 AM

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-limits-of-discourse

 :sabu

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2015, 10:24:44 AM

Republicans have a majority in the state house and senate in PA so I'd imagine Wolf might run into trouble setting up an exchange. Creating a site and everything else is also expensive.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2015, 10:31:38 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/9LlBMtz.png)

 :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 02, 2015, 02:20:19 PM

Quote from: brob on May 02, 2015, 10:06:51 AM

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/the-limits-of-discourse

 :sabu

Quote

It is time for us to admit that not all cultures are at the same stage of moral development

use Whig history to pathologize enemies of the state brehs.

American exceptionalism exists because our ideology is just more evolved or something

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 02, 2015, 08:05:25 PM

Nu atheism, for when you want to remain in the 1800s but you don't want to do the whole bowing and scraping thing.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2015, 11:44:40 AM

DUE TO THE FACT THAT CLOSED WALMARTS STRETCH ACROSS MUCH OF THE SOUTHERN U.S., SPEAKS TO HOW WIDESPREAD THE FOLLOWING ATTACKS ARE GOING TO BE IN THIS ISIS VERSION OF THE TET OFFENSIVE.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2015, 11:45:40 AM

#staywoke

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2015, 03:00:03 PM

appease crazy people brehs

And apparently no one is calling him out :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2015, 11:15:16 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/03/us/mohammed-drawing-contest-shooting/index.html

...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 03, 2015, 11:25:53 PM

How did Geert Wilders get an entry visa.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 02:02:16 AM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/give-em-hell-bernie-20150429

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Bernie wasn't quite so famous at the time and the editor scratched his head. "Bernie Sanders," he said. "That's the one who cares, right?"

"Right, that's the guy," I said.

...

His chief opponents in the race to the White House, meanwhile, derive their power primarily from corporate and financial interests. That doesn't make them bad people or even bad candidates necessarily, but it's a fact that the Beltway-media cognoscenti who decide these things make access to money the primary factor in determining whether or not a presidential aspirant is "viable" or "credible." Here's how the Wall Street Journal put it in their story about Sanders (emphasis mine):

It is unclear how much money Mr. Sanders expects to raise, or what he thinks he needs to run a credible race. Mr. Sanders raised about $7 million for his last re-election in Vermont, a small state. Sums needed to run nationally are far larger.

The Washington/national press has trained all of us to worry about these questions of financing on behalf of candidates even at such an early stage of a race as this.

In this manner we're conditioned to believe that the candidate who has the early assent of a handful of executives on Wall Street and in Hollywood and Silicon Valley is the "serious" politician, while the one who is merely the favorite of large numbers of human beings is an irritating novelty act whose only possible goal could be to cut into the numbers of the real players.

...

Sanders on the other hand has no constituency among the monied crowd. "Billionaires do not flock to my campaign," he quipped. So what his race is about is the reverse of the usual process: he'll be marketing the interests of regular people to the gatekeeping Washington press, in the hope that they will give his ideas a fair shot.

It's a little-known fact, but we reporters could successfully sell Sanders or Elizabeth Warren or any other populist candidate as a serious contender for the White House if we wanted to. Hell, we told Americans it was okay to vote for George Bush, a man who moves his lips when he reads.

But the lapdog mentality is deeply ingrained and most Beltway scribes prefer to wait for a signal from above before they agree to take anyone not sitting atop a mountain of cash seriously.

THE PARTY MUST SPEAK WITH ONE UNIFIED VOICE
HE'S NOT EVEN IN THE PARTY
LIE BACK AND THINK OF HILLARY

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 02:18:52 AM

KOCH'S EXPOSED:

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Allan Dyen-Shapiro • 3 days ago
I tried to share this article on Facebook. After several others had commented, I noted that Facebook would no longer allow comments, because it was "blocked content." Facebook deleted the entire post. When I tried to re-post just the link, Facebook blocked this. Is this sabotage of Sanders' social media presence (or of Taibbi) or is Facebook just being incompetent? I'd suggest looking into this.

Erin Harris  • 3 days ago
Um, well, let's consider Facebook's cozy ties to Goldman Sachs.

W Ryan Smith  • 3 days ago
I had the same issue. I think this is a pretty big deal...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 04, 2015, 03:56:45 AM

oh look some comments pretty cool

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on May 04, 2015, 04:37:11 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 01:57:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCueO9fSDXs

PD, or one of our lurkers, post this in PoliGAF for me  :-*

"Not minimum wage, but maximum wage"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 07:35:52 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 04, 2015, 03:56:45 AM

oh look some comments pretty cool

Another neoliberal trying to suppress free speech.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 08:00:17 AM

(http://allenbwest.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/GuardianoftheRepublic-296x444.jpg)

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Over the course of the past few decades, Allen West has had many titles bestowed on him, among them Lt. Colonel, U.S. Representative, “Dad,” and Scourge of the Far Left.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 04, 2015, 09:08:30 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 08:19:07 AM

Why does every conservative book sound like some Star Wars fan-fiction?

Quote

Over the course of the past few decades, Jedi Knight Allen West has had many titles bestowed on him, among them Lt. Colonel, Republic Representative, “Dad,” and Scourge of the Dark Side.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2015, 09:30:15 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 08:19:07 AM

Why does every conservative book sound like some Star Wars fan-fiction?

Because it is fan fiction.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2015, 09:38:56 AM

I'm kind of surprised Allen West isn't running for president, unless the GOP has a "one black guy at a time" clause like The Walking Dead.

maybe he'll run for Rubio's senate seat?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 10:06:44 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2015, 09:38:56 AM

unless the GOP has a "one black guy at a time" clause like The Walking Dead.

Why Colin Powell couldn't run in 1996 or 2000, Alan Keyes already beat him to it. And it's first come, first serve which is how Hermain Cain got it last time.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 11:04:28 AM

Candidate Update

Democrats
Announced*: Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders (Jeff Boss, Robby Wells)
PAC*: Lincoln Chafee, Martin O'Malley, Jim Webb

Republicans
Announced*: Ben Carson, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Rick Perry, Marco Rubio (Mark Everson, Jack Fellure)
PAC*: Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, George Pataki, Rick Santorum, Donald Trump, Scott Walker
Withdrew:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQLo8i_Pbo

Independent
Announced: Terry Jones, Vermin Supreme, Waka Flocka Flame

Green
PAC: Jill Stein

Peace and Freedom
Announced: Roseanne Barr

Transhumanist
Announced: Zoltan Istvan

*Or equivalent

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2015, 11:24:17 AM

Voting for Vermin Supreme again.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 04, 2015, 01:21:25 PM

The guy from the "Rent is Too Damn High" party should run

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 08:19:07 AM

Why does every conservative book sound like some Star Wars fan-fiction?

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/595277685250732032

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 04, 2015, 04:13:07 PM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 08:19:07 AM

Why does every conservative book sound like some Star Wars fan-fiction?

Because they're both written for children.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2015, 04:16:36 PM

Only let your kids read Warhammer and Bob Avakian. #ThinkOfTheChildren

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 04, 2015, 05:22:38 PM

God no, if I let them read 40K they might think phlegmatic was a normal word.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 04, 2015, 07:20:11 PM

I don't know about y'all, but I think we should grant more surveillance powers to the state.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gunman-in-mohammad-cartoon-attack-in-texas-monitored-for-years/ar-BBjahfy

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 04, 2015, 10:18:05 PM

Quote from: Vularai on May 04, 2015, 07:20:11 PM

I don't know about y'all, but I think we should grant more surveillance powers to the state.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gunman-in-mohammad-cartoon-attack-in-texas-monitored-for-years/ar-BBjahfy

Gotta collect more data that nobody knows wtf to do with.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 05, 2015, 09:08:09 AM

Quote from: Rufus on May 04, 2015, 10:18:05 PM

Quote from: Vularai on May 04, 2015, 07:20:11 PM

I don't know about y'all, but I think we should grant more surveillance powers to the state.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gunman-in-mohammad-cartoon-attack-in-texas-monitored-for-years/ar-BBjahfy

Gotta collect more data that nobody knows wtf to do with.

They know what to do with it. Save it to publicly shame and/or threaten litigation should you act against government interests.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Barry Egan on May 05, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 07:55:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 08:19:07 AM

Why does every conservative book sound like some Star Wars fan-fiction?

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/595277685250732032

ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

HOLY SHIT.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEL_CZ8UgAAcjka.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2015, 09:31:43 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on May 05, 2015, 09:12:58 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 07:55:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2015, 01:36:59 PM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on May 04, 2015, 08:19:07 AM

Why does every conservative book sound like some Star Wars fan-fiction?

https://twitter.com/ScottWalker/status/595277685250732032

ARE YOU KIDDING ME.

HOLY SHIT.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEL_CZ8UgAAcjka.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/8Q2AJHP.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 05, 2015, 10:28:19 AM

The torch? Knickerbocker you ain't LP. :comeon

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2015, 08:41:38 PM

Quote

@mmurraypolitics

The Latino Vote: In new NBC/WSJ poll, Hillary leads both Jeb (66%-28%) and Rubio (63%-32%) among Latino voters

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2015, 09:19:34 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 01:13:46 AM

Does Bill Clinton Not Want Hillary to be President? (http://www.whitehousedossier.com/2015/05/04/bill-clinton-hillary-president/)

Quote

Honestly, honestly honestly. I think there is some secret, dark part of Bill Clinton – not that he actually has many “secret” dark parts, but stick with me here – that does not want his wife to be president. How else can one explain how this most sublime of politicians seems to do everything possible to destroy her chances?

He constructed a shady charity/business empire when he knew full well she would run for president. He helped screw up her 2008 effort with some dumb remarks about race.

The most recent unforced Bill Clinton error is his revival on the Today show this morning of the “We were so poor” theme, which Hillary already took for a test flight and crash landed with a few weeks ago.

Bill said:

Quote

Let me remind you, when we moved into the White House, we had the lowest net worth of any family since Harry Truman.

The explanation for Bill’s behavior is very simple: It’s male ego combined with grotesque infantilism.

If Hillary became president, she would then clearly eclipse him, having already been a New York senator and Secretary of State, while he was the governor of Arkansas, which I think has the population of Brooklyn or something.

So he was the governor of Brooklyn.

No offense to the people of Arkansas. I’m from New York City. I dig Brooklyn. But still.

I watched Bill Clinton closely when I covered him during during the final couple of years of his presidency, met him several times, and feel like I get him.

He is, at his core, a child stranded in the Freudian oral stage of development, ever seeking the next scrumptious thing to place into his mouth. And only his mouth. Nobody else’s.

He is America’s Greatest Living Narcissist, which is not an easy title to seize and hold. I know many pretenders to the throne in Washington.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 06, 2015, 01:16:47 AM

Mods please change my name to "a child stranded in the Freudian oral stage of development, ever seeking the next scrumptious thing to place into his mouth" thanks in advance.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 01:21:39 AM

Honestly, honestly honestly.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 01:42:34 AM

She'll easily win, but her favorable/trustworthy/etc. type numbers have taken a hit back towards what they were like in 2008:

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In just seven weeks, a period in which Mrs. Clinton formally began her presidential campaign, the share of people with a negative view of her jumped to 42% from 36% in last month’s survey, and only a quarter of registered voters said they viewed her as honest and straightforward, down from 38% last summer.

Also, http://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/columnists/joe_battenfeld/2015/05/battenfeld_john_kerry_could_prove_safe_fallback_for

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It’s the question Democrats can no longer ignore: Who will replace Hillary Clinton?

Martin O’Malley? Toast. Joe Biden? A punch line. Elizabeth Warren? Not ready. Bernie Sanders? Seriously?

“We don’t have a backup,” one top Massachusetts Democrat lamented.

John Kerry, report for duty. Again.

This is not the scenario Democrats really want, but may have to accept if the Clinton campaign continues its death spiral over her family foundation’s shady ties to foreign nations. Even Bill Clinton’s been called in for cleanup, but saying you’ve done nothing “knowingly” wrong isn’t helping.

Kerry has plenty of weaknesses, but most of them were already exposed in his 2004 campaign and he still almost won. No other Democrat can say that. He’s the safest bet as a Clinton alternative.

...

“I can’t see Kerry resigning,” one source close to Kerry’s operation said, adding that it’s highly unlikely the former Massachusetts senator would challenge Clinton.

But if Clinton is forced to abandon her campaign, all bets are off. Democratic leaders will have to confront the fact that they need to draft someone else to run.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 01:46:17 AM

Remember the part in The Little Princess where Sara was reading a boring story to her classmates when she suddenly started making up her own romantic story, thus exciting everyone and getting them on the edge of their seats? Well that's how the author of that Bill Clinton article must have felt as the prose left his finger tips. He did that for us, we should be grateful.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Be a grown African American man and start a sentence with "remember the part in The Little Princess" brehs.
:brazilcry

[close]

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 01:51:04 AM

Popped in on PoliGAF, Angry Fork and the Sanders gang is perfect. You, me and Meta are obsolete.

Also, this is perfect:
(http://www.gq.com/images/news-and-politics/2015/04/ben-carson/ben-carson-gq-magazine-april-2015-02.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 01:56:13 AM

Btw Benji did you vote yesterday :bolo

I didn't have time. Looks like Prop 1 failed big time, less than 30% of the vote.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 02:20:30 AM

Fuck no.

Prop 1 got slaughtered considering who was backing it (everyone!), how much they spent ($7 million) and how much they flooded the airwaves in comparison to the opposition (who spent, TOTAL, $168,500).

All kinds of bond measures around the state got swept up and got battered too. Total "fuck off" wave.

The death knell for Prop 1 was I think a couple months ago when people started finding out that the funds weren't actually for fixing up the current roads but for future large scale road projects and all sorts of other stuff.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 02:27:14 AM

Forgot to mention the lol at the Sanders gang talking about his prospects against Hillary in debates. Like there's going to be debates on the Democratic side.  :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 11:15:39 AM

In the new Quinnipiac Iowa poll, 17% of Evangelicals (23% GOP Overall) say Rick Santorum is too conservative.  :lol

% positions are about right: (GOP Overall/Tea Party)
Bush - 36/16
Carson - 56/71
Christie - 29/19
Cruz - 58/77
Fiorina - 34/41
Graham - 23/16
Huckabee - 59/60
Jindal - 53/63
Kasich - 28/30
Paul - 51/58
Perry - 61/67
Rubio - 65/61
Santorum - 54/65
Walker - 62/74

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2015, 12:44:22 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 11:15:39 AM

Bush - 36/16
Carson - 56/71
Christie - 29/19
Cruz - 58/77
Fiorina - 34/41
Graham - 23/16
Huckabee - 59/60
Jindal - 53/63
Kasich - 28/30
Paul - 51/58
Perry - 61/67
Rubio - 65/61
Santorum - 54/65
Walker - 62/74

(http://i.imgur.com/CUdaLOA.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 01:09:34 PM

Can't like because the loop leaves out the first part but they still put it in the caption.

That's like foreign donations to a gif Foundation.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 01:46:21 PM

Walker 21%
Paul 13%
Rubio 13%
Cruz 12%
Huckabee 11%
Carson 7%
Bush 5%
Christie 3%
Perry 3%
Fiorina 2%
Kasich 2%
Santorum 2%
Jindal 1%
Graham 0%
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?releaseid=2223

Bush has to be the weakest "front runner" in quite awhile.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Trent Dole on May 06, 2015, 03:13:25 PM

Are any of those dudes remotely electable? Some of them I've never even heard of.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2015, 03:21:48 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on May 06, 2015, 03:13:25 PM

Are any of those dudes remotely electable? Some of them I've never even heard of.

One of them is a dudette. :wag

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Trent Dole on May 06, 2015, 03:42:51 PM

I meant dudes in a non gender specific way then? :-[ :yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2015, 04:14:41 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on May 06, 2015, 03:42:51 PM

I meant dudes in a non gender specific way then? :-[ :yeshrug

I'll accept this explanation.  8)

To answer your question, most of these individuals have the electability of a dead squid and make Mitt Romney look like FDR.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 06, 2015, 04:43:42 PM

nvm, possible bullshit link

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 08:14:26 PM

Quote

Register Minority Voters in Georgia, Go to Jail

Quitman, a town of fewer than 4,000 people, sits in Brooks County, Georgia, ten short miles to the Florida state line. In 2010—for the first time in the county’s history—the county elected a majority-black school board. This upset victory followed a sudden surge in local black voting that was catalyzed by a group of get-out-the-vote activists.

For weeks after the historic primary, Kemp’s armed investigators, along with officials from the Georgia Bureau of Investigation, went door-to-door in Quitman’s black neighborhoods. Without evidence of actual voter fraud in Quitman, the state’s case against the town’s voting activists came to rely on allegations of less glaring breaches of absentee ballot procedure.

Echoing Kemp’s investigation into AALAC, many accusations against those in Quitman focused on voting organizers improperly possessing voters' materials. (The Quitman investigation was spurred by a local district attorney with strong enough connections to the county's white school board members that he could not work on the case.)

State agents arrested a dozen voting organizers, three of whom had won seats on the county school board. With the charges pending, Georgia’s Republican governor, Nathan Deal, issued an executive order temporarily removing those women from their posts, reinstating the county’s white-majority school board.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121715/georgia-secretary-state-hammers-minority-voter-registration-efforts?utm_content=buffer43e1a&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
:snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 06, 2015, 08:54:46 PM

2015 y'all

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: helios on May 06, 2015, 09:28:58 PM

Obama's America

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Yeti on May 06, 2015, 09:30:24 PM

http://carlyfiorina.org/

:teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2015, 10:47:21 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 06, 2015, 08:54:46 PM

2015 y'all

Imagine if Obama issued an executive order to remove those people and replaced them with the elected ones?  :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 06, 2015, 10:58:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2015, 08:14:26 PM

You missed the best part of that article, PD:

Quote

Last month, Brian Kemp told the Atlanta Journal Constitution that his elections director, Linda Ford, was resigning at his request because of a “technical error” that caused nearly 8,000 voters to be improperly removed from the rolls. “It was an honest mistake by a hard-working person and, unfortunately, she has to pay the price,” Kemp said.

:pacspit

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2015, 11:07:45 PM

It takes a nation of millions (of hard-working persons) to hold us back.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Trent Dole on May 07, 2015, 01:31:42 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2015, 04:14:41 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on May 06, 2015, 03:42:51 PM

I meant dudes in a non gender specific way then? :-[ :yeshrug

I'll accept this explanation.  8)

To answer your question, most of these individuals have the electability of a dead squid and make Mitt Romney look like FDR.

So errbody git red e for Hillary then. Yay?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 07, 2015, 10:52:51 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-32620742

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2015, 01:03:05 PM

Pretty easy to justify it in Georgia: the state is slowly trending blue due to the rising black population/declining white population. Atlanta is going to end up like modern Detroit or Philly, where the big city tilts general elections to democrats despite republicans winning more counties in the state.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 07, 2015, 01:57:35 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 07, 2015, 12:55:29 PM

That Georgia article makes me really angry. The Republican party has been involved in way too many shady efforts to prevent minorities from voting. If Democrats were the ones doing this, I'd actually vote Republican in protest.

I don't know how they justify it in their own minds, if they do at all. Maybe, "those welfare moochers shouldn't count the same as the hardworking white people", or whatever Charles Murray-inspired crap you see alluded to in dogwhistle comments all the time on right wing media.

They want something and believe in achieving it by any means necessary.

I could tell some fucked up stories about human depravity. :shaq2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 07, 2015, 02:54:11 PM

straws being grasped, etc.

give em' a few more years to think they've this shit locked down, they'll on their way out just a little bit later, that's all.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2015, 03:07:04 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/06/sport/marshall-university-player-arrest/index.html

Be a jock, brehs.  :shaq2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 07, 2015, 04:07:27 PM

Quote

The victims, Casey Williams and Zackery Johnson, told police Butler stepped out of a car after seeing the men kiss.

Butler "approached the two (men) shouting derogatory words" before punching each of the men in the face, the police report said. The victims captured part of the assault on camera and photographed the vehicle.

 :snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 07, 2015, 04:33:05 PM

You make me feel icky! Die!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 07, 2015, 06:48:13 PM

Quote from: http://nypost.com/2015/05/06/dsouza-denied-summer-break-from-community-service/

But when D'Souza — the maker of the anti-President Obama film "2016: Obama's America" — tried to take a summer vacation from his sentence at the Mater Dei School, Manhattan federal Judge Richard Berman sarcastically rejected his request. "With respect to [his parole officer's ] request that Mr. D'Souza's community service hours be 'waived' from June 1, 2015 until July 13, 2015, the request is respectfully denied," Berman wrote. "The short explanation is, as all criminal defendants are aware, that we don't provide 'summer breaks' in these circumstances."

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on May 07, 2015, 07:15:18 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2015, 07:15:20 PM

Obama's America  :'(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 07, 2015, 07:45:45 PM

Dinesh is a conservative. They don't have to play by the rules.  :(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 07, 2015, 07:46:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/8mSEBJi.png)

tfw yr memes are getting less upvotes than the jihadis :fbm

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 07, 2015, 08:18:01 PM

Imma fixin to vote Sanders, he's the fried chicken guy, right?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2015, 08:45:16 PM

CIA Director: "Sir, the terrorists' memes, they're too dank. Only one thing can save us now!"

Obama: *chuckles* "You mean the Chaos Emeralds?"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2015, 08:49:41 PM

allahuuu lmao

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 07, 2015, 11:39:07 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/05/07/the-odds-of-an-iran-nuclear-deal-just-got-higher/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 08, 2015, 12:28:59 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/politics/jeb-george-w-bush-adviser/index.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 12:31:54 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 11:04:28 AM

Candidate Update
PAC*: Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, George Pataki, Rick Santorum, Donald Trump, Scott Walker

Santorum to announce on May 27th, Lindsey Graham to do declare on June 1st.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 12:58:02 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418055/how-five-republicans-let-congress-keep-its-fraudulent-obamacare-subsidies-brendan

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The rumors began trickling in about a week before the scheduled vote on April 23: Republican leadership was quietly pushing senators to pull support for subpoenaing Congress’s fraudulent application to the District of Columbia’s health exchange — the document that facilitated Congress’s “exemption” from Obamacare by allowing lawmakers and staffers to keep their employer subsidies.

The application said Congress employed just 45 people. Names were faked; one employee was listed as “First Last,” another simply as “Congress.” To Small Business Committee chairman David Vitter, who has fought for years against the Obamacare exemption, it was clear that someone in Congress had falsified the document in order to make lawmakers and their staff eligible for taxpayer subsidies provided under the exchange for small-business employees.

But until Vitter got a green light from the Small Business Committee to subpoena the unredacted application from the District of Columbia health exchange, it would be impossible to determine who in Congress gave it a stamp of approval. When Vitter asked Republicans on his committee to approve the subpoena, however, he was unexpectedly stonewalled.

With nine Democrats on the committee lined up against the proposal, the chairman needed the support of all ten Republicans to issue the subpoena. But, though it seems an issue tailor-made for the tea-party star and Republican presidential candidate, Senator Rand Paul (R., Ky.) refused to lend his support. And when the Louisiana senator set a public vote for April 23, Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and his allies got involved.

“For whatever reason, leadership decided they wanted that vote to be 5–5, all Republicans, to give Senator Paul cover,” one high-ranking committee staffer tells National Review. “So they worked at a member level to change the votes of otherwise supportive senators.” Four Republicans — senators Mike Enzi, James Risch, Kelly Ayotte, and Deb Fischer — had promised to support Vitter, but that would soon change.

Senate staffers, according to a top committee aide, reported seeing Missouri senator Roy Blunt make calls to at least two Republican committee members, lobbying them, at McConnell’s behest, to vote no on subpoenaing the exchange. By the time the committee was called to quorum, Enzi, Risch, Ayotte, and Fischer voted no.

To many observers, it was curious that any Republican would move to put the brakes on an investigation into Obamacare fraud, and particularly curious that they would pull back in an instance where the federal government was actually defrauding itself, one that so clearly illustrates Obamacare’s flaws by exposing the bureaucratic jujitsu and outright dishonesty required of federal employees themselves to navigate the law.

...

“We deserve to know who signed that application, because they are robbing taxpayers,” says Michael Cannon, director of health-policy studies at the libertarian Cato Institute. The staffers who signed the fraudulent application, he says, “know who was directing them to do this. And so we have to follow the trail of breadcrumbs. This is the next breadcrumb, and whoever is farther up the trail wants to stop Vitter right here.”

...

When Vitter’s staffers tracked down the application and discovered obvious signs of fraud, Vitter requested approval to subpoena an unredacted copy of the application. The value of that document, says Cannon, is that it would reveal the name of the person who filed it. “Now you’ve got someone to call to testify,” he says, predicting that testimony would precipitate a congressional vote on whether to end the congressional exemption altogether.

“I think it makes sense to find out what happened,” says Yuval Levin, the editor of National Affairs, a noted conservative health-care voice and a National Review contributor. “It would be pretty interesting to see whose name is on the forms,” he says. “It has to go beyond mid-level staffers.”

Committee rules for a subpoena require either the consent of the ranking member or a majority of the group’s 19 senators. Because Democrats quickly made their opposition clear, Vitter needed the approval of all ten Republicans. Nine of them quickly consented via e-mail; one senator was strangely unresponsive.

Senior committee aides say that Rand Paul’s staff didn’t immediately reply to an e-mail requesting the senator’s consent and, when they did, they refused to provide it. When Vitter attempted to set up a member-to-member meeting, his overtures were ignored or put off. Paul’s policy staff refused to take a meeting. When Vitter tried to confront Paul on the Senate floor, they say, the Kentucky senator skirted the issue.

It wasn’t until after the vote that Paul shared his reasoning. “Senator Paul opposes allowing Congress to exempt themselves from any legislation,” an aide told the Conservative Review. “To that end, yesterday, he reintroduced his proposed constitutional amendment to prohibit Congress from passing any law that exempts themselves. Senator Paul prefers this option over a partisan cross-examination of Congressional staff.”

...

That’s absurd,” says Robert Moffit, the director of the Center for Health Policy Studies at the conservative Heritage Foundation. “You don’t need a constitutional amendment to get a subpoena . . . I don’t know where he’s coming from.”

“The answers he has given do not make sense,” Cannon says of Paul. “And when someone with his principles does something that is so obviously against his principles, and does not give an adequate explanation, you begin to think that politics is afoot. It would have to be someone very powerful that made him a powerful pitch — or threat — to keep him from doing this.”

Paul’s press secretary tells National Review that the senator “examines every opportunity to [oppose Obamacare] individually, and does not base his vote on requests made by other senators, including the majority leader.”

...

The flip-flopping Republicans justified their change of heart. Risch said in the April 23 committee meeting that legal wrangling with the D.C. exchange could take time away from the committee’s small-business work. Enzi said he saw little wrong with the application as is.

“Each of us has our own budget, each of us has our own staff,” he said. “I don’t know about everybody else, but I’m way under 50 [employees]. So my staff qualifies as a small business.”

Enzi was one of the original sponsors of Vitter’s 2013 amendment to end the congressional Obamacare exemption, but his press secretary tells National Review he felt the probe “could inadvertently target staff who simply completed paperwork as part of their job.” He insists that Enzi “made up his own mind.” Risch, Ayotte, and Fischer declined to comment.

...

Health-care experts dismiss Enzi’s claim that each member’s office is its own small business, and not just because the health exchange application was filed for Congress as a whole. “These congressional offices that think they’re small businesses, are they LLCs?” Cannon asks. “Are they S-Corps? Are they shareholder-owned? Are they privately held? What is the ownership structure of this small business that you’re running, senator? It’s just utterly ridiculous.”

“They’re transparently absurd,” says Moffit of Senate Republicans claiming small-business status. “Who made the determination that Congress is a small business and is therefore eligible for subsidies that do not legally exist? How did that happen?”

No one quite knows what’s behind leadership’s apparent push to kill the subpoena. The move baffled some committee staffers. “The amount of blood that McConnell and Paul spilled to prevent [the subpoena] from happening makes me wonder [if] maybe that isn’t all that there is to it,” the high-ranking staffer says. “Maybe other people signed it . . . They’re clearly afraid of something bigger than a person’s name getting out there.”

Others, however, think the motives behind GOP leadership’s apparent obfuscation are clear. “If there’s one thing that absolutely drives Americans fundamentally crazy, it’s the idea that Congress can set one set of rules for themselves and another for everybody else,” says Moffit. “That’s political poison, and that’s why they have been so desperate to avoid the issue.”

“The most powerful interest group in Washington D.C., is not the Chamber or the unions or anyone else,” Cannon says. “It is members of Congress and their staffs. And when it comes to their benefits, they are all members of the same party.”

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joebagodonutz • 6 hours ago
Apparently Rand Paul is just another grandstanding RINO whore.

Right • 7 hours ago
Rand Paul is done as a GOP presidential contender. Just another RINO

BRush • 35 minutes ago
I have been a consistent and dependable Republican voter for 20 years. I will no longer be ‘checking the R box’. Ted Cruz is an easy name to write in if the establishment gives us another Rino like Rand!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2015, 02:19:38 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 08, 2015, 12:28:59 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/07/politics/jeb-george-w-bush-adviser/index.html

 :aweshum

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:20:13 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 08, 2015, 03:16:36 AM

Also, it's weird that the Cato Institute has a health policy director. It's kind of like the Southern Baptists hiring a paleontologist.

They aren't anarchists. And they have a similar mindset to me in terms of evolutionary, not revolutionary ideas. Like how I want to abolish state recognized marriages, but settle for same-sex/etc. recognition. There's also two-sides to Cato like most think tanks. Their commentary-wing and research-wing. Most of their non-commentary policy work tends to be focused on "how can we remove the government from [X] with the least aftershocks/turmoil/etc." Along with studies that tend to find that government is harmful or what non-government policies work best.

For example here's a brief of an article that the health policy people cultivated from "real" academics:
http://www.cato.org/publications/research-briefs-economic-policy/do-doctors-practice-defensive-medicine-revisited

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Myungho Paik is a research associate at Northwestern University; Bernard S. Black is the Nicholas D. Chabraja Professor at Northwestern University School of Law and Kellogg School of Management; David A. Hyman, M.D., J.D., is the H. Ross and Helen Workman Chair in Law and Professor of Medicine at the University of Illinois.

http://www.cato.org/research/health-insurance
http://www.cato.org/research/medicare-medicaid
http://www.cato.org/research/universal-health-care

I bet you want to sign up for this:
http://www.cato.org/healthy-competition-newsletter

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Welcome to Healthy Competition, an electronic newsletter produced by the Cato Institute. This periodic newsletter will feature health policy news, commentary, and resources from a free-market perspective.

The dominant view in health policy is that greater government involvement is required to finance and deliver high-quality medical care. This newsletter will present what is a minority view in health policy, but one that is widely accepted in other policy spheres: that individual choice and free markets do the best job of making products of ever-increasing quality available to ever-increasing numbers of people.

We aim to make this newsletter useful to those who make, influence, and report on health policy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:24:23 AM

Now if you had said the Mises Institute...

Though they admittingly do what I find to be some decent revisionist history work. That's about the only real research they do, not even much with Austrian Economics. And it's not rigorous to an academic level. (Though most history research isn't really all that rigorous to begin with...)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 04:26:13 AM

ron paul EVOLution

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:34:14 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 08, 2015, 04:27:23 AM

Signed up for the bullshit newsletter.

But wait, there's more:
http://www.cato.org/ecommunity?utm_source=mailchimp-signup&utm_medium=banner&utm_campaign=ecommunity-mailchimp-signup

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I would like these Cato email newsletters:
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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:54:51 AM

Kara, any tips for our small businessmen Senators (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39503.msg2033270#msg2033270)?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 08, 2015, 09:06:46 AM

ron paul GRIFTer

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 08, 2015, 09:51:52 AM

5.4%  :obama

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 08, 2015, 10:57:36 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:20:13 AM

http://www.cato.org/research/health-insurance

*clicks first link*

"By Casey B. Mulligan."

yeah ok cato sure buddy

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 01:11:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 04:54:51 AM

Kara, any tips for our small businessmen Senators (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39503.msg2033270#msg2033270)?

Skimping on employee health insurance is like diapers--you wear them when you're breastfed and nearly dead.

Which is to say it's only an issue for mom and pop's corner dildo and pocket vagina superstore with 3 full-time minimum wage employees (alas the decline of artisan sex toy retail) or comical caricatures of public companies like Apple. Generally speaking I work with neither kind of concern so I don't have any #TopTips for our unlawful lawmakers. #EndTheState

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“Health-care experts dismiss Enzi’s claim that each member’s office is its own small business, and not just because the health exchange application was filed for Congress as a whole. These congressional offices that think they’re small businesses, are they LLCs?” Cannon asks. “Are they S-Corps? Are they shareholder-owned? Are they privately held? What is the ownership structure of this small business that you’re running, senator? It’s just utterly ridiculous.”

Unless a formal business entity is formed, they'd be sole proprietorships you fucking goober. :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2015, 04:50:57 PM

I'll admit I am curious to see how much of the lowering insurance rate is tied to the job market/economy. But clearly the ACA plays a role in the decline as well.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 09:02:34 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 08, 2015, 10:57:36 AM

"By Casey B. Mulligan."

yeah ok cato sure buddy

Give him another chance.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 09:20:58 PM

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The Associated Press’ Matt Lee called out the State Department Thursday after the agency announced it will not look into undisclosed donors to the Clinton Foundation which violated the Memorandum of Understanding.

State Department spokesman Jeff Rathke told reporters during Thursday’s briefing that the more than 1,100 undisclosed donors will not be reviewed as the department moves on.

“The State Department has not, and does not intend to initiate a formal review or to make a retroactive judgment about items that were not submitted during Secretary Clinton’s tenure,” spokesman Jeff Rathke told reporters during Thursday’s State Department briefing.

Right away, Lee called out Rathke, telling him that the only reason they are not looking into this is because they don’t want to find any thing that “might raise a flag.”

“It seems like you’re not aware of anything — and there may not be anything there, but the reason that you’re not aware of anything is because, and not you personally, but the reason you are not aware of anything is because the building is refusing to go back and look at it to see if there is anything that might raise a flag,” Lee told the spokesman.

“Again, these private donations were — there was never any expectation that they would be reviewed…” Rathke said, before being cut off by Lee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-FdKgNLDIk

Bernie-mentium here we come!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2015, 12:21:22 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 09:20:58 PM

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The Associated Press’ Matt Lee called out the State Department Thursday after the agency announced it will not look into undisclosed donors to the Clinton Foundation which violated the Memorandum of Understanding.

State Department spokesman Jeff Rathke told reporters during Thursday’s briefing that the more than 1,100 undisclosed donors will not be reviewed as the department moves on.

“The State Department has not, and does not intend to initiate a formal review or to make a retroactive judgment about items that were not submitted during Secretary Clinton’s tenure,” spokesman Jeff Rathke told reporters during Thursday’s State Department briefing.

Right away, Lee called out Rathke, telling him that the only reason they are not looking into this is because they don’t want to find any thing that “might raise a flag.”

“It seems like you’re not aware of anything — and there may not be anything there, but the reason that you’re not aware of anything is because, and not you personally, but the reason you are not aware of anything is because the building is refusing to go back and look at it to see if there is anything that might raise a flag,” Lee told the spokesman.

“Again, these private donations were — there was never any expectation that they would be reviewed…” Rathke said, before being cut off by Lee.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-FdKgNLDIk

Bernie-mentium here we come!

:bow independent expenditures, including those made by corporations, do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 09, 2015, 07:51:31 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 09, 2015, 04:26:25 PM

Conservatives are spinning it because the household survey shows a drop in full-time and a big rise in part-time jobs.

The decline of career work is OK if it's part of massive and sweeping changes to the postwar consensus, but so help me god if it happens because people got health insurance.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2015, 08:04:31 PM

The jobs report shows quite an increase in construction jobs, which plays a role in the part time increase. That being said all you have to do is look at the rest of the industries that increased to tell that it's a good report. Continued increases in health care jobs (I wonder why!), IT, business, etc. Those aren't bad jobs. Seems pretty weak to die on a hill over part time/shitty job increases while ignoring the influx of professional jobs.

Retail job increases were pretty low.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2015, 09:54:32 AM

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/05/mike-huckabee-monty-python-life-brian

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 03:15:09 AM

Quote from: http://www.mediaite.com/online/jeb-bush-i-would-have-invaded-iraq/

In an except of an interview with Fox’s Megyn Kelly set to be aired Monday evening, 2016 presidential hopeful Jeb Bush said he would have invaded Iraq, and reminded everybody that so would Hillary Clinton.

To be clear, there appears to be some confusion between Kelly’s question and Bush’s answer. Kelly asked Bush whether, knowing what he knows now, he would still invade, whereas Bush appears to answer according to the available intelligence in 2003, which was wrong but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

“In retrospect the intelligence that everybody saw, that the world saw*, not just the United States, was faulty,” Bush said. “Once we invaded and took out Saddam Hussein, we didn’t focus on security first.”

“By the way, guess who thinks those mistakes took place as well: George W Bush,” Jeb said. “Just for a newsflash to the world, for those trying to find big space between me and my brother, this might not be one of those.”

Maybe Jeb's actually trying to sabotage his campaign, he doesn't want to run but everyone is pressuring him so he's going to keep up the game while making sure to alienate moderates and conservatives every other month until he finishes like sixth in Iowa and fifth in NH and under expectations in SC then say the people have spoken and drop out before he has a shot at actually backing into the nomination.

It seems like Christie is trying to pull off a similar gambit before even launching a campaign.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Trent Dole on May 11, 2015, 03:24:49 AM

...Do you know what the worst thing I can say about Jeb without being hunted down is? Pretend I said that thing here.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 03:30:10 AM

Also, the Iraq line to bash Hillary with is giving me 2004 flashbacks. Though I suppose 12 years isn't as long as 30-35 years. The only thing bringing up Iraq is going to do is allow the youngins to do what Obama did and point out they weren't around in any kind of power when that disaster happened. And Rand Paul and a few others to take negative or at least ambivalent stances on it.

I think Iraq is "popular" with conservatives/Republicans more because it was "theirs" and Democrats attacked it than any actual hardcore support of it still.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Barry Egan on May 11, 2015, 04:05:17 AM

what an awkward response.  It's like he saw a rake on the floor 10-feet away and ran over to step on it.  Twice.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 06:27:05 AM

It's not about forgetting it as much as questioning its specific relevance. Jeb Bush is basically saying "I supported it with the knowledge at the time just like my brother and Hillary" to throw jabs at Hillary with her base like Obama did. Are people going to make their decision on Iraq? Sanders is trying to use it on Hillary: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/may/10/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-trans-pacific-partnership but we know that's not going to make much of a dent. I was looking for if any of the other candidates had taken stances and came across Jonah Goldberg making this point:

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The weird thing is, Ms. Clinton has far more responsibility for the Iraq War than Jeb Bush does. Meanwhile, none of the potential GOP presidential hopefuls voted for the war in 2002. Scott Walker was the Milwaukee County executive; Marco Rubio was in the Florida House of Representatives; Chris Christie was a U.S. district attorney;Ted Cruz was a policy wonk at the Federal Trade Commission; Rand Paul and Ben Carson were practicing surgeons. And so on.

Ben Carson has questioned the morality of Iraq AND Vietnam. Rand Paul would probably take a stand against it if pressed. Walker can toe that line Huckabee has with the "what matters is how we deal with it now." Cruz and Rubio have that out too. Though they all seem to be in favor of fighting ISIS with ground troops. Hillary hasn't really taken a clear stance on what to do with ISIS. Santorum and Graham were both for it and Graham is for anything with men in uniforms. Nobody cares what Fiorina thinks. Perry and Jindal have spoken favorably in the past. I think Trump was against it and then for it and then against it and then for it and then against it.

Just seems like it's not anywhere near as relevant as in 2008. Where it played a role in both primaries as a referendum on the Bush years of sorts.

Then you got Gary Johnson, Jesse Ventura, Jill Stein and Bernie Sanders as all obviously against Iraq.

Hillary's got the foreign policy experience to where they basically have to run an anti-incumbent campaign against her, and after the last eight years, I don't think her Iraq War vote is going to do it. Benghazi probably literally has more attack power to it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brawndolicious on May 11, 2015, 06:57:03 AM

Most politicians don't volunteer to put their own asses into war, I think Biden had like 5 draft deferments during the Vietnam war and of course voted in favor of invading Iraq. I could see veteran groups attacking Hillary for voting to invade Iraq due to the fact that she never face the risk of being drafted (and Bill got quite a delay for his draft meaning he didn't have to serve).

In any case, young newly registered voters would probably think that the Iraq war must have been kind of a bad thing since it left Iraq in the current carbomb-a-day power struggle with half the country overrun by ISIS militia and not one WMD ever found. If you were like 10 when the war started, you probably won't remember much of the lead up for a year before where the news was saturated with paranoia and supposedly corroborating intelligence reports trying to show those shifty Iraqis were hiding something, which I think a lot of conservatives like to think was a good enough reason for them to believe it at the time. It's basically conservative gamergate.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 07:09:22 AM

I think I've posted before that I thought the WMD case was the least compelling of the reasons the Bush team laid out and never understood why they went all in on that one. Clinton fired cruise missiles into their intelligence headquarters over their believed attempt to assassinate H.W. Looking at the prior twelve years of how we dealt with Iraq didn't look like there was much need for an airtight casus belli after 9/11. Real problem was the occupation and stuff after.

For whatever reason they wanted to make it seem like a serious threat. Instead of just "yo, we all hate this Saddam dude, he's been our villain for like three seasons now, we didn't go hard on anybody for the last few years, lets get serious about our foes after 9/11, we got all these UN warnings and sanctions and shit, lets end this whole drama, then we chill in his palaces and leave. If the Iran spin-off doesn't take off we can always come back with whatever strongman takes over."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 11, 2015, 03:14:47 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 11, 2015, 05:15:53 AM

The day we launched the invasion of Iraq, I was a freshman in college. I remember a profound sadness settling over the whole campus. We were all hoping it wouldn't actually happening.

You saw a lot of young people turn from being fairly ambivalent about Bush to actively hating him on that day.

It's kind of sad that the people who are in their early 20s now have no frame of reference for this. Generational memory can sometimes be annoying, like with the 40-somethings who were scarred by late-70s inflation, but I feel that the Iraq War isn't something we should forget.

Between the Syrian Civil War and the emergence of Islamic State the Iraq War is still ongoing, which makes its fading from the collective consciousness and the absence of any just consequences for those responsible even more revolting.

Fuck George II.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 11, 2015, 04:16:14 PM

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

TL;DR summary?

it was all BS.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2015, 04:17:49 PM

that article sounds like bullshit. I've seen a couple takedowns on it. Not to mention it being based on one source.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 11, 2015, 04:26:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2015, 04:17:49 PM

that article sounds like bullshit. I've seen a couple takedowns on it. Not to mention it being based on one source.

not necessarily disagreeing.  but..burial at sea?  a big glorious shootout?  early reporting of human sheilds being used?  not like it would be that hard to believe we made some shit up. 

got dem takedown links?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2015, 04:27:59 PM

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 11, 2015, 04:50:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2015, 04:27:59 PM

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/11/8584473/seymour-hersh-osama-bin-laden

thanks will give it a read in a bit

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 11, 2015, 04:56:03 PM

An anonymous source is all the Con media needs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 11, 2015, 05:16:55 PM

Ok read it,

Id lke to see his response, hersh has a real good reputation.  He isnt a fringe hack by any means...he'll have to respond if he hasnt already

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2015, 06:51:36 PM

Quote from: Allen West -"Sharia law comes to Walmart?"

There was a young man doing the checkout and another Walmart employee came over and put up a sign, "No alcohol products in this lane." So being the inquisitive fella I am, I used my additional set of eyes -- glasses -- to see the young checkout man's name. Let me just say it was NOT "Steve."

I pointed the sign out to Aubrey and her response was a simple question, how is it that this Muslim employee could refuse service to customers based on his religious beliefs, but Christians are being forced to participate in specific events contrary to their religious beliefs?

Boy howdy, that is one astute young lady.

Imagine that, this employee at Walmart refused to just scan a bottle or container of an alcoholic beverage -- and that is acceptable. A Christian business owner declines to participate or provide service to a specific event -- a gay wedding -- which contradicts their faith, and the State crushes them.

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EDITOR'S UPDATE: We spoke to the Walmart store, and apparently employees under 21 years old are prohibited from selling cigarettes and alcohol. However, that isn't to say Walmart isn't selectively caving to Muslim demands, such as this case regarding Halal meat in Ohio.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 11, 2015, 07:42:20 PM

You mean like Wal-Mart pharmacists refusing to give out birth control pills and then going to jail nothing?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2015, 07:48:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu8tmg7HPbc

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“My side is I’m not a racist,” Gordeuk said. “I didn’t know ‘black people’ was a racist term. I didn’t say the N-word or anything like that ‘cause that’s not in my vocabulary.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2015, 08:40:58 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2015, 06:51:36 PM

Quote from: Allen West -"Sharia law comes to Walmart?"

There was a young man doing the checkout and another Walmart employee came over and put up a sign, "No alcohol products in this lane." So being the inquisitive fella I am, I used my additional set of eyes -- glasses -- to see the young checkout man's name. Let me just say it was NOT "Steve."

I pointed the sign out to Aubrey and her response was a simple question, how is it that this Muslim employee could refuse service to customers based on his religious beliefs, but Christians are being forced to participate in specific events contrary to their religious beliefs?

Boy howdy, that is one astute young lady.

Imagine that, this employee at Walmart refused to just scan a bottle or container of an alcoholic beverage -- and that is acceptable. A Christian business owner declines to participate or provide service to a specific event -- a gay wedding -- which contradicts their faith, and the State crushes them.

Quote

EDITOR'S UPDATE: We spoke to the Walmart store, and apparently employees under 21 years old are prohibited from selling cigarettes and alcohol. However, that isn't to say Walmart isn't selectively caving to Muslim demands, such as this case regarding Halal meat in Ohio.

:neogaf

:lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 11, 2015, 09:47:53 PM

Oh, and the "halal meat in Ohio" mentioned in the article is regarding a decision by a Wal-Mart store in Oxford to start offering halal-certified meat because a group of Muslim customers asked them to. That's it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 09:54:11 PM

I don't want to live in a country where businesses try to cater to their customers desires.

It's my right not to have to see halal-certified meat or kosher products on the shelves and Wal-Mart better respect my wishes.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2015, 12:09:43 AM

This story reminded me of something from last week, there's a local conservative idiot on the radio in the morning here and his callers are usually amazing so he sometimes gets some car time from me. Anyway, a new grocery store opened recently right near Michigan State's main campus (and the foreign student dorms are almost all within walking or at least easy biking distance) and the guy was talking immigration betrayal/end of the world/democrats/etc. so he takes a call from this woman and she starts complaining about how the new grocery store has a whole section devoted to FOREIGN foods like Mexican and Asian and...

I'm like wtf, has she not been in a grocery store in 20 years, even the crappiest ones have a "Mexican"/Chinese aisle at least. (Not to mention all the aisles that have been integrated with stuff for black people.)

But the punchline was her saying that they could be using that space in the store to have more food people actually wanted instead of trying to show off to the liberal PC crowd. :dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Ha! I tricked you all, this was the radio equivalent of me quoting website comments!

[close]

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 12, 2015, 12:17:28 AM

Gaze into the abyss, etc.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 12, 2015, 12:55:09 AM

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/05/11/405961442/jeb-bush-would-have-authorized-iraq-war-even-knowing-what-we-know-now?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150511

Jeb Bush is really trying to convince people to vote for him.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2015, 01:12:57 AM

http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_28074484/ruben-navarrette-halperin-interview-ted-cruz-was-painful

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Watching Mark Halperin of Bloomberg Politics interview Cruz recently, I wasn't just uncomfortable. I was actually nauseated.

As a journalist, I felt embarrassed for Halperin. As a Hispanic, I felt like I was watching a college fraternity have fun with racial stereotypes, like when staging a "border party" where people show up in serapes and fake mustaches. And as someone who doesn't adhere to a party line to the point where I've been accused of being a "coconut" (white on the inside, brown on the outside), I was furious enough to -- as Sarah Palin once said approvingly about Cruz -- chew barbed wire and spit out rust.

The online interview show that Halperin co-hosts on BloombergPolitics.com is called "With All Due Respect." But there was nothing respectful about the line of questioning. It started off innocently enough with Halperin asking the 2016 GOP presidential candidate about whether he thinks Hispanics will vote for him. He also mentioned a speech that Cruz had given to the U.S. Hispanic Chamber of Commerce and gave Cruz the chance to explain his argument that Republican economic policies help Hispanics.

Nothing wrong with that. But then Halperin made it personal, and the interview careened into a ditch. He told Cruz that people are curious about his "identity." Then, the host asked a series of questions intended to establish his guest's Hispanic bona fides. What kind of Cuban food did Cruz like to eat growing up? And what sort of Cuban music does Cruz listen to even now?

I've known Ted for more than a decade and I could tell he was uncomfortable. But he played along, listing various kinds of Cuban food and saying that his musical taste veers more toward country.

I kept waiting for Halperin to ask Cruz to play the conga drums like Desi Arnaz while dancing salsa and sipping cafe con leche -- all to prove the Republican is really Cuban.

Just when I thought I'd seen the worst, it got even more offensive. Earlier that day, independent Sen. Bernie Sanders, of Vermont, had entered the presidential race. So, Halperin said: "I want to give you the opportunity to directly welcome your colleague Sen. Sanders to the race, and I'd like you to do it, if you would, en español."

What nerve, treating a U.S. senator like a trained seal! Who does this guy think he is, trying to evaluate how well a Hispanic speaks Spanish? And what does that have to do with being authentic anyway?

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/05/10/the-gop-field-and-liberal-identity-politics-ted-cruz-mark-halperin/

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We can expect to see a lot of it in the coming months as the liberal media copes with a breathtakingly diverse Republican presidential field and seeks to brand them as inauthentic.

What Halperin did to Cruz was merely another example of the identity wars that are being fought in contemporary politics. Just as women who don’t support abortion without any restrictions are portrayed as not really female by the left, so, too are blacks and Hispanics who don’t toe the Democrat party line treated as somehow inauthentic minorities.

...

It’s one thing to denounce conservative Hispanics as wrong on the issues. It’s quite another to treat them as crypto Anglo-Saxons. But with two Republican presidential candidates of Hispanic background (Cruz and fellow Cuban-American Marco Rubio) and one GOP hopeful that is a woman (Carly Fiorina) and another an African American (Ben Carson), the liberal authenticity police will be out in force. But rather than merely ignore them as Cruz, who kept his cool with Halperin did, this insidious bias needs to be shown for what it is: a desire by the media to delegitimize anyone who doesn’t conform to their ideas about identity politics as interpreted through the catechism of liberal ideology.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 12, 2015, 02:01:40 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 09:54:11 PM

I don't want to live in a country where businesses try to cater to their customers desires.

It's my right not to have to see halal-certified meat or kosher products on the shelves and Wal-Mart better respect my wishes.

The tyranny of the market is all well and good until you're on the receiving end of it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: T-Short on May 12, 2015, 05:22:54 AM

This is a bit bananas, isn't it?

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/05/wyoming_law_against_data_collection_protecting_ranchers_by_ignoring_the.html (http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/05/wyoming_law_against_data_collection_protecting_ranchers_by_ignoring_the.html)

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Imagine visiting Yellowstone this summer. You wake up before dawn to take a picture of the sunrise over the mists emanating from Yellowstone hot springs. A thunderhead towers above the rising sun, and the picture turns out beautifully. You submit the photo to a contest sponsored by the National Weather Service. Under a statute signed into law by the Wyoming governor this spring, you have just committed a crime and could face up to one year in prison.

Wyoming doesn’t, of course, care about pictures of geysers or photo competitions. But photos are a type of data, and the new law makes it a crime to gather data about the condition of the environment across most of the state if you plan to share that data with the state or federal government.

...

The Wyoming law transforms a good Samaritan who volunteers her time to monitor our shared environment into a criminal. Idaho and Utah, as well as other states, have also enacted laws designed to conceal information that could damage their agricultural industries—laws currently being challenged in federal court. But Wyoming is the first state to enact a law so expansive that it criminalizes taking a picture on public land.

The new law is of breathtaking scope. It makes it a crime to “collect resource data” from any “open land,” meaning any land outside of a city or town, whether it’s federal, state, or privately owned. The statute defines the word collect as any method to “preserve information in any form,” including taking a “photograph” so long as the person gathering that information intends to submit it to a federal or state agency. In other words, if you discover an environmental disaster in Wyoming, even one that poses an imminent threat to public health, you’re obliged, according to this law, to keep it to yourself.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2015, 05:32:23 AM

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MATT BAI, YAHOO: Senator Warren said this week this pact could be used to roll back Dodd-Frank --

PRESIDENT OBAMA: She’s absolutely wrong.

BAI: -- which is pretty close to your heart.

OBAMA: Right, I passed it. Think about the logic of that, right? The notion that I had this massive fight with Wall Street to make sure that we don’t repeat what happened in 2007, 2008. And then I sign a provision that would unravel it?

I’d have to be pretty stupid. And it doesn't make any sense... there is no evidence that this could ever be used in this way. This is pure speculation. She and I both taught law school and one of the things you do as a law professor is you spin out hypotheticals. And this is all hypothetical, speculative...

The truth of the matter is that Elizabeth is, you know, a politician like everybody else. And you know, she’s got a voice that she wants to get out there. I understand that. And on most issues, she and I deeply agree. On this one, though, her arguments don’t stand the test of fact and scrutiny.

gasp, Warren's a politician?!?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 12, 2015, 05:42:21 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 12, 2015, 05:27:10 AM

I'm no lawyer, but that seems pretty damn unconstitutional.

Is ALEC still doing the dual power thing? This story sounds awfully vintage ALEC.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2015, 08:48:21 AM

I do think there are anti-environmentalist motives to it, but the law does have some more reasonable stipulations than the Slate article suggests:

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Section 1. W.S. 6-3-414 is created to read:
6-3-414. Trespassing to unlawfully collect resource
data; unlawful collection of resource data.

(a) A person is guilty of trespassing to unlawfully
collect resource data if he:

(i) Enters onto open land for the purpose of
collecting resource data; and
(ii) Does not have:

(A) An ownership interest in the real
property or, statutory, contractual or other legal
authorization to enter or access the land to collect
resource data; or
(B) Written or verbal permission of the
owner, lessee or agent of the owner to enter or access the
land to collect the specified resource data.

(b) A person is guilty of unlawfully collecting
resource data if he enters onto private open land and
collects resource data without:

(i) An ownership interest in the real property
or, statutory, contractual or other legal authorization to
enter the private land to collect the specified resource
data; or
(ii) Written or verbal permission of the owner,
lessee or agent of the owner to enter the land to collect
the specified resource data.

It seems to be targeted at activists who "trespass" looking for violations. As well as people who simply cross barriers to use their selfie sticks in front of the geysers.

I do think some of their definitions wouldn't survive court challenges though. As it pretty broadly throws out evidence from being admissible simply because it wasn't obtained by a government official or meets that silly open land definition. :lol

I also wouldn't be surprised if it's a baptist-bootlegger situation with the Wyoming department of interior equivalent.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2015, 09:02:13 AM

Found some local articles from way back when there was more than people just linking to the Slate article with hysterics:

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With three separate trespassing topics before Wyoming’s legislature this session, the topic is at the top of the priority list for Wyoming Farm Bureau. Trespassing topics to be addressed by the state legislature cover illegal entry on private land to collect data, difficulty prosecuting trespassers, and the Restatement of Torts where if someone trespasses the property owners do not have the same duty of care as they would if it was someone invited on to the property.

“In past legislative sessions, there have been bills to address these issues, but they always seem to get short-circuited,” said WyFB Executive Vice President Ken Hamilton in a press release. “These trespass issues are of great interest to landowners and agriculture producers around Wyoming.”

- SF0012 - Trespassing to collect data

WyFB’s interest in this Senate bill is closely linked to a current lawsuit against the Western Watersheds Project, which WyFB alleges illegally trespassed on private property to collect water quality data.

WWP had called the lawsuit an intimidation tactic aimed at destroying the organization and hiding wrongdoing by ranchers.

“The ranchers really didn’t want the public to find out how much harm their cows were causing to the public waters,” said Travis Bruner, WWP executive director, in a press release.

WyFB hopes successful passage of SF0012 would place a greater burden on data collectors in such situations, explained Brett Moline, WyFB director of government and public affairs.

“Part of what we’re trying to do is take some burden off land owners and put it on the people so they have to know where they’re at (when collecting data),” Moline said.

The bill would also change the burden or providing notice to landowners. Rather than simply providing notice, data collectors would need direct consent to enter private property.

- SF0080 - Trespassing to collect data-civil cause of action

This bill serves the same purpose as SF0012, but addresses civil penalties, rather than criminal, as does the first bill.

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“It is targeted toward those people who are environmentalists, who are activists,” said Linda Burt, of the Wyoming American Civil Liberties Union, who said Utah and Idaho recently passed similar laws and have constitutional free speech challenges in the courts.

SF12 would require people to receive permission from landowners to access their property. Last year, lawmakers attempted a similar bill to empower landowners.

The issue was further examined, with input from industries such as agriculture and oil and gas, after the session. SF12 is the result of all the work, said Sen. Larry Hicks, R-Baggs.

“We are continuing to have issues with the lack of respect for private property and those constitutional protections for private property,” Hicks said.

In June, over a dozen landowners and associations sued Idaho-based Western Watersheds for allegedly trespassing to collect water quality samples in Fremont and Lincoln counties. The alleged trespassing dates back to 2005.

Police would be exempt from the penalties. Before the bill passed out of committee, lawmakers amended it to respond to concerns about inadvertent trespassing by state employees from agencies such as the University of Wyoming, the Wyoming State Engineer’s Office and the Wyoming Game and Fish Department.

“I want to point out that if you have the legal right to be there now, either statutory or regulatory or through permission of the landowner, you're not trespassing," said Brett Moline, of the Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation, which assisted with the bill. "In my opinion, what this does is it strengthens the position of the private landowner.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2015, 09:20:43 AM

That's all well and good as long as the water coming off that private property is as potable as when it came onto the property.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2015, 09:40:29 AM

It's all good as long as a Muslim hasn't washed his feet in it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2015, 09:45:51 AM

Wyoming will be a hotbed for terrorists hoarding yellow cake now that no one is allowed to report them.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 12, 2015, 10:11:44 AM

Quote from: sarslip on May 11, 2015, 04:16:14 PM

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v37/n10/seymour-m-hersh/the-killing-of-osama-bin-laden

TL;DR summary?

it was all BS.

tl;dr:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gGptMo8WeE

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2015, 10:43:12 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 12, 2015, 12:55:09 AM

http://www.npr.org/blogs/itsallpolitics/2015/05/11/405961442/jeb-bush-would-have-authorized-iraq-war-even-knowing-what-we-know-now?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150511

Jeb Bush is really trying to convince people to vote for him.

Isn't this textbook neoconservative shit, ie "never admit errors or mistakes because that would display weakness." Mandark explain.

edit: maybe not!
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-misheard-iraq-question-navarro
:neogaf

maybe Ronito is right afterall.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 12, 2015, 11:16:47 AM

Quote

"I didn't know he had a hearing impairment and we pray for his swift recovery," Begala said.

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on May 12, 2015, 02:00:57 PM

Pay attention to David Brooks brehs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 12, 2015, 02:01:01 PM

It's still better that Brooks be writing this con fan fiction than articles praising Romney for jobs, economy, and lowering gas prices.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 12, 2015, 02:29:27 PM

We going to pretend the electoral left hasn't had a policy idea more evolved than "conservatism with a human face" since Rudolf Meidner?

Progressivism now simply means you don't believe in denying civil rights to people because your gods hate them or they make you feel icky.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2015, 02:32:46 PM

I was watching a Reagan documentary on PBS last night and couldn't help but think good lord we dodged a bullet in 2012. Say what you will about Obama but nothing would be worse than decades of myth making over a President Romney after he took credit for the recovery, lowered gas prices, etc.

Though my biggest takeaway from the doc was that Arthur Laffer is a complete fucking sleazeball. I've read some of his stuff and was familiar with his bullshit but good lord, hearing him talk and explain trickle down economics.
:mindblown

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2015, 02:42:43 PM

Dunno breh. I've laughed at the Laffer curve for years but seeing the man actually explain it on camera was like seeing a man explain that Santa Claus is real.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 12, 2015, 03:28:02 PM

:drudge DEMS IN DISARRAY, TPP FAILS :drudge

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/12/politics/free-trade-fast-track-vote/index.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2015, 03:33:34 PM

Good.

Gotta say Obama's tit for tat with Warren over this has been ugly to watch. Is this some attempt to triumph "taking on extremists...in both parties!" bipartisanship bullshit? I don't see any merit in trying to win democrat votes by attacking your own party and dismissing the concerns of people who voted for you.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 12, 2015, 03:50:30 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 12, 2015, 02:41:09 PM

No, there's more to it.

- Healthcare security for all citizens
- Actively attempt to prevent potentially catastrophic climate change
- Cut incarceration rates

Those are a few of the big ones.

The ACA is textbook conservatism with a human face, how much Victorian notions of charity can one law contain? We live a far-right shithole so it's easy to forget that.

Climate change, do you mean :trash like cap and trade? Using the market to solve problems it created is not progressive. "Don't pollute because I said so," (mandated emissions reductions) is Leviathanesque as well.

Ending moral criminality falls within the parameters I supplied.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 12, 2015, 04:00:17 PM

What does leftist environmentalism look like?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on May 12, 2015, 04:00:50 PM

Dirty ineffectual hippies

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2015, 04:01:19 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 12, 2015, 04:00:17 PM

What does leftist environmentalism look like?

Al Gore on a private jet?
:lenowned

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on May 12, 2015, 04:09:07 PM

To be honest I don't what leftist environmentalism looks like, because environmentalism is merely a cause of one specific set of leftists, but it's in opposition to so many of the stated gains that it's really it's own thing.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 12, 2015, 04:27:53 PM

You're having two different conversations.  When you say "conservatism" you mean modern American movement conservatism, and point out that the two major parties would enact some different policies.  When Kara uses the word, he means a much more longstanding attitude that entrenches the power of capital and its attendant institutions and provides the relatively narrow bounds of what's possible in electoral politics.  Hence the qualifier "with a human face."

Of course I'm putting words in both your mouths, but that's how I'm reading it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 12, 2015, 07:53:04 PM

Quote

In his memoir, Decision Points, W. wrestled with the dilemma of his decision to start a war on the basis of bad intelligence. Only W. did not call the intelligence “faulty,” as Jeb had. W. called the intelligence “false.”

“The reality was that I had sent American troops into combat based in large part on intelligence that proved false,” George W. Bush wrote.

Even though W. still argued that the world is “undoubtedly safer” without Saddam Hussein, he knew the failure to find the weapons of mass destruction that he used to justify the invasion was “a massive blow to our credibility—my credibility—that would shake the confidence of the American people.”

“I had a sickening feeling every time I thought about it,” George W. Bush wrote. “I still do.”

:hitler

cmon Jeb  :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 12, 2015, 08:15:44 PM

Jeb just being loyal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHol7WW2A8g

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Barry Egan on May 12, 2015, 10:08:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQbPewOXukw

:hyper It Begins :hyper

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2015, 01:22:22 AM

Polling firms should run interesting questions not useless ones this far out from an election. I'd like to see GOP primary polls with George W. Bush as an option for example, and Democratic ones with Bill Clinton/Al Gore/John Kerry/Barack Obama/John Edwards. (Alone vs. Hillary and the "field" and also two or more vs. Hillary and the "field.")

I imagine W. Bush would get a 20-25% plurality in most of them, but the Democratic ones would be a bit more unpredictable probably.

I mean, if they're going to run general election matchups for the next 18 months anyway. They could then throw in some other fantasy ones.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2015, 12:20:57 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/241887-white-house-expects-apology-from-democratic-senator-who

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The White House on Wednesday said it expects Sen. Sherrod Brown to apologize for calling President Obama’s criticism of Sen. Elizabeth Warren sexist.

White House press secretary Josh Earnest called Brown (D-Ohio) a “stand-up guy” who has worked well with the president in the past.

“I’m confident after he has gotten a chance to take a look at the comments he made yesterday that he’ll find a way to apologize,” Earnest said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

Brown is a chief critic of Obama’s trade agenda, and on Tuesday, he said the president disrespected Warren (D-Mass.), another leading anti-trade Democrat, when he responded to her comments on the issue.

The Ohio senator ripped Obama for calling Warren by her first name.

“A number of those phrases he used, I assume he wished he hadn’t said them because he shouldn’t have said them," Brown told reporters. “I’m not going to get into more details. I think referring to her as first name, when he might not have done that for a male senator, perhaps? I’ve said enough.”

Brown’s criticism was echoed by the National Organization for Women.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2015, 01:02:38 PM

BREAKING: DEMS IN DISARRAY! Must credit Morning Joe.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 13, 2015, 02:41:31 PM

I think people liked Ezra because of his passion for health care reform. He seemed to be 'the guy' when it came to arguing points on the internet.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Trent Dole on May 13, 2015, 03:01:34 PM

Well, TPP is utter shit. Siding with Warren on this one. :punch

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2015, 03:18:29 PM

Klein staking out a corner as a lay expert on health policy just ahead of the ACA becoming the dominant political story for a year gave him a huge leg up.  Before that he was just a dilettante general purpose mainstream liberal blogger like Yglesias, Kevin Drum, Atrios, etc.

He's never been terribly good but the salt he elicits from crappy older pundits is great.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2015, 03:20:34 PM

I'm pretty sure he killed David Broder indirectly just by being employed by WaPo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2015, 03:58:21 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ppp-jade-helm-15-rick-perry

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Primary voters who said Perry was their first choice for the GOP presidential nominee were the the biggest believers that a takeover was on its way, according to the poll. The survey found a whopping 76 percent of Perry supporters said they believed the government was trying to take over Texas, followed by 56 percent of Cruz supporters.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2015, 04:52:48 PM

Compensation was on the table at first, but the cons (http://i.imgur.com/VQKhl9S.png) at first.

It may be in the bill that was eventually passed though.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2015, 05:05:58 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 13, 2015, 04:03:59 PM

The trade thing kind of depends on whether or not you think NAFTA directly killed a lot of jobs. I started looking through the literature on that.

Note that even if there's a loss of jobs, under the Kaldor-Hicks efficiency model the trade deal could still be beneficial if we put in provisions to assist the workers who lose their jobs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaldor%E2%80%93Hicks_efficiency (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaldor%E2%80%93Hicks_efficiency)

I feel like we tend to never do the compensation part of Kaldor Hicks though.

Good luck passing any jobs training plans with this congress. Those jobs aren't coming back, and those workers won't be helped.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2015, 05:30:28 PM

50% of Chris Christie supporters don't think the feds are trying to invade Texas. That one guy, he's just not buying it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2015, 06:38:34 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/M1gKG7C.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DVxDmch.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2015, 06:41:03 PM

In fairness, there's precedent: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_annexation

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2015, 06:56:01 PM

John Bolton is going to announce he's running tomorrow.

He must have saw Jeb staking out a position even his brother wouldn't take and thinks he can top it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 13, 2015, 08:26:39 PM

It's not butthurt. It's entitlement. When a network trashes him for 8 years and he calls them out on things they do, that isn't delusional. What cons should be saying is, "ya, I remember when fox said that."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 13, 2015, 09:26:13 PM

College Student to Jeb Bush: ‘Your Brother Created ISIS’ (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/13/college-student-to-jeb-bush-your-brother-created-isis/)

Oh, how I'm going to love watching this guy crash and burn once the primary season starts up in earnest.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 13, 2015, 09:38:10 PM

I love the conservative talking point of "Don't judge Jeb by his brother! He's his own person. You have to judge him on his own merits!" then after taking a slight breath, "Of course you can't vote for Hillary. I mean, just look at what her husband did!"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 14, 2015, 01:32:48 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 13, 2015, 09:38:10 PM

I love the conservative talking point of "Don't judge Jeb by his brother! He's his own person. You have to judge him on his own merits!" then after taking a slight breath, "Of course you can't vote for Hillary. I mean, just look at what her husband did!"

So far Hillary hasn't come out and said "Knowing what we know now, I would have fucked Monica too."

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yet.  :whew

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 14, 2015, 08:10:50 AM

second i read the news that the Philly train was speeding, i knew republicans would spin it as the fault of one crazed madman, and not a crumbling infrastructure.   :sheik

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2015, 08:24:36 AM

Quote from: sarslip on May 14, 2015, 08:10:50 AM

second i read the news that the Philly train was speeding, i knew republicans would spin it as the fault of one crazed madman, and not a crumbling infrastructure.   :sheik

But...isn't it because the train wasn't using safety protocols and was going too fast? And isn't the lack of safety software due to local disputes with railroad handlers?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 14, 2015, 09:41:55 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2015, 08:24:36 AM

But...isn't it because the train wasn't using safety protocols and was going too fast? And isn't the lack of safety software due to local disputes with railroad handlers?

more news is coming out i guess, i had just noticed a drudge headline that referenced speed as the issue.  someone just told me he slammed hard on the e-brakes too. 

republicans cut 250 billion from amtrak, that isnt the issue here but it does highlight what theyre trying to do to amtrak

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2015, 12:53:53 PM

Base your main allegations for a book published in 2015 on a press release that was proven to be fake in 2013, brehs

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/peter-schweizer-clinton-cash-factual-errors

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2015, 12:59:31 PM

Schweizer's crash and burn is both spectacular and predictable.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2015, 01:07:52 PM

Speaking of Clinton you all need to follow Jennifer Rubin on twitter. Her pure hatred of Obama/Cinton is something to behold. Plus her election predictions/poll skewing is always entertaining. Loyal to the end, I expect her to go down with the ship well into late October 2016 when it's clear Hillary will win. Her Romney optimism was amazing, and let's not forget her nonstop articles about how Gabriel Gomez was totally going to win Kerry's seat in MA.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2015, 02:09:52 PM

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Monday

"Knowing what we know now, would you have authorized the invasion?" Fox News host Megyn Kelly asked Bush in a sit-down interview.

"I would have," Bush said.

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Tuesday

"I interpreted the question wrong, I guess."

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Wednesday

"If we are going to get into hypotheticals, I think it does a lot of disservice for a lot of people who sacrificed a lot," Bush said, according to Chalian's tweets.

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Thursday

"I would have not engaged. I would not have gone into Iraq," Bush said.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2015, 02:18:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inDf6-TUq5s

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2015, 03:30:55 PM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on May 14, 2015, 03:10:08 PM

I hope you get to finish your Soloman Grundy-esque coverage of Jeb Bush, GR.

Quote from: Jeb Bush on Friday

I am a failure as a human being, just as the war in Iraq was a failure. I do not deserve to live and my life is worthy of only the most hateful scorn and derision. I know now that I must fight my brother to the death in order to gain even the most meager redemption.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: studyguy on May 14, 2015, 04:20:52 PM

Shit, you'd think we'd be entering armageddon by the way some Christians responded to that story that dropped a couple days ago about 92% of all people in the US are no longer religiously affiliated.

The 188%, the oppressed majority.
They're a dying breed brehs, pretty soon it'll only be the 687%

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

 :ufup math

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: studyguy on May 14, 2015, 04:46:27 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

:ufup math

Don't worry I double checked it on the edit.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

22% no affilation // 78% majority etc etc
:'(

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on May 14, 2015, 05:11:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

:ufup math

That's the kind of math that'll make pundits take studyguy seriously come 2016

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2015, 05:29:37 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on May 14, 2015, 05:11:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

:ufup math

That's the kind of math that'll make pundits take studyguy seriously come 2016

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/150513142231-scott-walker-tweet-exlarge-169.jpg)

Are we sure this isn't just a dog whistle to Rush stans?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 14, 2015, 10:23:09 PM

Yo Jeb Bush is a fucking idiot

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 15, 2015, 10:24:52 AM

I really don't get the republican hype about Jeb.
Even most republicans admit that George W was largely a mistake.
And despite the fact that Bush sr. was actually a pretty good president republicans HATE him. It makes no sense.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2015, 11:14:04 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 15, 2015, 10:24:52 AM

I really don't get the republican hype about Jeb.
Even most republicans admit that George W was largely a mistake.
And despite the fact that Bush sr. was actually a pretty good president republicans HATE him. It makes no sense.

Have you seen the other guys?  :holeup

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 15, 2015, 11:28:54 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 15, 2015, 11:14:04 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 15, 2015, 10:24:52 AM

I really don't get the republican hype about Jeb.
Even most republicans admit that George W was largely a mistake.
And despite the fact that Bush sr. was actually a pretty good president republicans HATE him. It makes no sense.

Have you seen the other guys?  :holeup

Yeah,  but I can see why the republicans like them.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 15, 2015, 12:00:05 PM

Mitti Romney has to be shaking his head somewhere. He let this guy strong arm him out of running? smh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2015, 10:17:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/hKL7Z8z.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2015, 10:26:32 PM

John Bolton's announcement was a faaaaaaake, but in return we get George Pataki on May 28th and Rick Perry on June 4th.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 16, 2015, 12:31:58 AM

George Pataki was great as Sulu, I'd vote for him.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 01:19:25 AM

PD, Perry had his back surgery in late July, he was still wearing a back brace and couldn't turn his torso fully until like the end of the year. The only reason he got in the race was because of his poll and cash lead, he should have always punted to after he left office.

Perry in the Texas governor debates is a pretty different debater, more cocky and aggressive. He, like most of the 2012 candidates, didn't do much prep before jumping in. And with those ten thousand debates..."Oops!" was just a notable response.

The key question is...will he get Dean Cain's endorsement again?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2015, 12:03:52 PM

when are you ubanned, benji-san? I can't do this on my own.
:brazilcry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 16, 2015, 03:04:13 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 01:25:31 PM

Typically I'd be in favor of not allowing food stamps to be used to purchase junk food

nope

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 03:06:40 PM

Someone in favor of eugenics wants to restrict what can be bought with food stamps? Please, tell me more.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 16, 2015, 03:38:32 PM

So it seems like it might be Jeb Bush vs. Hillary Clinton for 2016.  ROFL.  I wonder if the voter turnout will even crack 50% for this upcoming election.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 16, 2015, 03:45:38 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 03:16:49 PM

No sodas, coco puffs or whatever. Basic common sense parameters to go with the current ban on alcohol and tobacco purchases.

Remember a couple pages ago when Kara was talking about "conservatism with a human face" and "Victorian notions of charity?"  That's what you're doing right now.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 03:48:20 PM

I think he just hates freedom.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2015, 04:09:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 03:06:40 PM

Someone in favor of eugenics wants to restrict what can be bought with food stamps? Please, tell me more.

Shouldn't we be commending Walrus? He has compromised and moved to the center right.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 16, 2015, 04:17:27 PM

It's true.  What could be more responsible than using someone's own poverty as leverage against them to change their behaviors for the better?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2015, 04:30:50 PM

I'm already on record as kind of agreeing with you on this Walrus, but let's be real: this bill has nothing to do with helping people eat more healthy. It has everything to do with punishing and stigmatizing poor people. The list of banned foods is ludicrous. Potatoes? Really?

And the same people who want to pretend like this is all about cutting costs wouldn't dare cut corn syrup subsidies.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Broseidon on May 16, 2015, 05:19:32 PM

"... a ridiculously inadequate mode of partial restitution, or a sentimental dole, usually accompanied by some impertinent attempt on the part of the sentimentalist to tyrannise over their private lives."

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2015, 05:22:41 PM

Let poor people buy their Cocoa Poofs and Mountain Lightning if they want to, I mean geez they're already living in poverty.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 16, 2015, 06:06:23 PM

Republicans, they hate government regulation*.

*unless you run an abortion clinic, want an abortion yourself, buy/sell legal weed, want the same legal protections as your straight married friends, want to teach evolution/climate change to your students, are poor, work for a hated govt agency (IRS, NPR), want to make voting easier...

but they hate the shit out of government regulation, that's for darn sure.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 16, 2015, 06:22:12 PM

Do you even get enough money to grow fat, given a fast food only diet?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 06:36:12 PM

Champion of the common man, brehs

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/16/us/politics/clintons-reportedly-earned-30-million-in-the-last-16-months.html?_r=0

Earn $30 million giving speeches to Goldman Sachs executives, etc, then run as the only hope of the middle class, brehs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 16, 2015, 06:53:24 PM

Depends on what she's saying, no? If it's stuff that is pleasing to gigantic financial institutions, then it might be suspect regardless of compensation.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 09:28:40 PM

An administration tight with Goldman Sachs and other powers in Wall Street, what could go wrong?

Quote from: Wisconsin

Under this bill, DHS must require that not less than 67 percent of the SNAP
benefits used by a recipient in a month be used to purchase any of the following foods:
foods that are on the list of foods authorized for the federal special supplemental
nutrition program for women, infants, and children (WIC foods); beef; pork; chicken;
fish; fresh produce; and fresh, frozen, and canned white potatoes. In addition, DHS
must prohibit using SNAP benefits for the purchase of crab, lobster, shrimp, or any
other shellfish.

I read "women, infants, and children" as part of the list of foods that were allowed at first.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 16, 2015, 09:34:36 PM

No sea-cockroach for you!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 09:43:33 PM

Martin O'Malley Thomas Carcetti is going to announce for President on May 30th.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2015, 10:09:11 PM

Dude bought $140 worth of steak and lobster, then sold it all for about $70. Yeah, he's really living the high life. ::)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 10:18:55 PM

60% of laws are because of lobbyists, 35% of laws are because of "I heard this guy who did this thing/we need to do something, this is something" and 5% of laws are legislators who can't figure out their e-mail.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 10:19:56 PM

More important thing here is that the guy bought 5 24 packs of Mountain Dew.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 10:21:44 PM

I had a friend let me use his food stamps card and get basically $150 worth of groceries in exchange for $75 once, so it does happen, but who the fuck cares really.  ::)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 10:25:09 PM

Also, typical of the state to clamp down on small businessmen who use state offered subsidies to build capital and marketshare in the food supply industry while leaping at the opportunity to provide it to large firms.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 16, 2015, 10:40:55 PM

What's fungibility brehs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 10:41:29 PM

http://www.vox.com/2015/5/16/8614881/Hillary-Clinton-took-money

Quote

Almost a decade ago, as Hillary Clinton ran for re-election to the Senate on her way to seeking the presidency for the first time, the New York Times reported on her unusually close relationship with Corning, Inc., an upstate glass titan. Clinton advanced the company's interests, racking up a big assist by getting China to ease a trade barrier. And the firm's mostly Republican executives opened up their wallets for her campaign.

During Clinton's tenure as Secretary of State, Corning lobbied the department on a variety of trade issues, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership. The company has donated between $100,000 and $250,000 to her family's foundation. And, last July, when it was clear that Clinton would again seek the presidency in 2016, Corning coughed up a $225,500 honorarium for Clinton to speak.

In the laundry-whirl of stories about Clinton buck-raking, it might be easy for that last part to get lost in the wash. But it's the part that matters most. The $225,500 speaking fee didn't go to help disease-stricken kids in an impoverished village on some long-forgotten patch of the planet. Nor did it go to a campaign account. It went to Hillary Clinton. Personally.

...

Corning's in good company in padding the Clinton family bank account after lobbying the State Department and donating to the foundation. Qualcomm and salesforce.com did that, too. Irwin Jacobs, a founder of Qualcomm, and Marc Benioff, a founder of salesforce.com, also cut $25,000 checks to the now-defunct Ready for Hillary SuperPAC. Hillary Clinton spoke to their companies on the same day, October 14, 2014. She collected more than half a million dollars from them that day, adding to the $225,500 salesforce.com had paid her to speak eight months earlier.

And Microsoft, the American Institute of Architects, AT&T, SAP America, Oracle and Telefonica all paid Bill Clinton six-figure sums to speak as Hillary Clinton laid the groundwork for her presidential campaign.

And that list, which includes Clinton Foundation donors, is hardly the end of it. There's a solid set of companies and associations that had nothing to do with the foundation but lobbied State while Clinton was there and then paid for her to speak to them. Xerox, the Biotechnology Industry Organization, and the Institute of Scrap Recycling Industries, in addition to Corning, all lobbied Clinton's department on trade matters and then invited her to earn an easy check.

By this point, most Clinton allies wish they had a button so they didn't have to go to the trouble of rolling their eyes at each new Clinton money story. The knee-jerk eye-roll response to the latest disclosure will be that there's nothing new to see here. But there's something very important to see that is different than the past stories. This time, it's about Hillary Clinton having her pockets lined by the very people who seek to influence her. Not in some metaphorical sense. She's literally being paid by them.

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lol at Oracle's donation to the Foundation in comparison

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 10:52:03 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 10:48:28 PM

So she got paid for a speech years after resigning from the SoS position?  ::)

That Vox headline is a disgrace.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/12/nyregion/12hillary.html?pagewanted=all
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Corning was 7th among companies in employees donating to her 2008 campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-hillary-clinton-and-boeing-a-beneficial-relationship/2014/04/13/21fe84ec-bc09-11e3-96ae-f2c36d2b1245_story.html?hpid=z1

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On a trip to Moscow early in her tenure as secretary of state, Hillary Rodham Clinton played the role of international saleswoman, pressing Russian government officials to sign a multibillion-dollar deal to buy dozens of aircraft from Boeing.

A month later, Clinton was in China, where she jubilantly announced that the aerospace giant would be writing a generous check to help resuscitate floundering U.S. efforts to host a pavilion at the upcoming World’s Fair.

Boeing, she said, “has just agreed to double its contribution to $2 million.”

Clinton did not point out that, to secure the donation, the State Department had set aside ethics guidelines that first prohibited solicitations of Boeing and then later permitted only a $1 million gift from the company. Boeing had been included on a list of firms to be avoided because of its frequent reliance on the government for help negotiating overseas business and concern that a donation could be seen as an attempt to curry favor with U.S. officials.

...

In 2010, two months after Boeing won its $3.7 billion Russia deal, the company announced a $900,000 contribution to the William J. Clinton Foundation

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 16, 2015, 10:57:15 PM

I guess I will have to pull the lever for the guys getting their money from casino magnates and the NRA instead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 10:59:23 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 10:54:53 PM

A NYT article from 2006, how quaint.

If that article didn't turn her into Nixon nine years ago, I see no reason to care today.

Exactly.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 11:10:52 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 11:01:42 PM

Implicit in all of these stories is the assumption that paid speeches do not constitute an exchange of services for payment, but an under-the-table bribe.

Well, it wouldn't be a bribe anyway, as I don't think you can bribe someone who is openly offering their services.

The larger point here is that Hillary has staked out two positions: that she will be a champion of "the middle class" assumingly against the elite (of which she is not, recently being dead broke) and even worse hold a litmus test on siding with Supreme Court Justices who believe the possible "appearance of corruption" justifies government restrictions on freedom of the press. While at the same time engaged in seemingly endless amount of appearances of pay-for-play favors for large corporate firms that also happens to be fattening her wallet personally.

It should raise doubts of stated preferences vs. revealed preferences in people like my mothers friend who recently remarked "you know, I'm feel like I shouldn't be trusting some politicans anymore [after Prop 1]" should it not?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2015, 11:27:41 PM

All I know is that the next president is going to pick three SC justices, maybe four. I'm voting for whoever gets the dem nomination. IE Hillary.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 11:31:21 PM

Hillary actually has a pretty low bar to clear- she has to be the "champion of the working class" RELATIVE TO THE PARTY THAT WANTS TO KICK POOR PEOPLE OFF OF HEALTHCARE AND GIVE MITT ROMNEY MORE TAX CUTS. I think she'll be fine.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 11:31:51 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 11:25:38 PM

Sure, and if the choice were between Hillary and some fucking awesome middle-class warrior candidate who talked and walked the progressive-libertarian anti-corporatist talk and walk, those revelations would sure as fuck make me question a vote for Hillary.

When the choice is between Hillary and one of Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or Carly Fiorina*, those revelations get a yawn.

The choice isn't though.

Vote for Sanders in the primary and (likely since nobody seems to be interested in challenging her) Stein in the general. Your vote won't change the outcome of the election anyway but you can have a clearer conscience instead of losing your right to complain for eight years.

Plus in the Stein case it helps the Green Party in ballot retention.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 11:34:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 11:31:51 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 11:25:38 PM

Sure, and if the choice were between Hillary and some fucking awesome middle-class warrior candidate who talked and walked the progressive-libertarian anti-corporatist talk and walk, those revelations would sure as fuck make me question a vote for Hillary.

When the choice is between Hillary and one of Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or Carly Fiorina*, those revelations get a yawn.

The choice isn't though.

Vote for Sanders in the primary and (likely since nobody seems to be interested in challenging her) Stein in the general. Your vote won't change the outcome of the election anyway but you can have a clearer conscience instead of losing your right to complain for eight years.

Plus in the Stein case it helps the Green Party in ballot retention.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 11:38:07 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 11:36:03 PM

Anyone I know in Ohio who does that is getting kicked in the dick when I see them.

Why? Their vote isn't changing the outcome of the two-party competition.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 16, 2015, 11:34:27 PM

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It was just a suggestion, if anyone wants to throw their vote away by voting for Hillary Clinton that's their prerogative.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2015, 12:32:29 AM

I'm kinda digging the "image removed from quote" L.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 17, 2015, 12:44:04 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 11:25:38 PM

Sure, and if the choice were between Hillary and some fucking awesome middle-class warrior candidate who talked and walked the progressive-libertarian anti-corporatist talk and walk, those revelations would sure as fuck make me question a vote for Hillary.

When the choice is between Hillary and one of Jeb Bush, Scott Walker, Marco Rubio, or Carly Fiorina*, those revelations get a yawn.

those were at least a good chunk of the reasons she couldn't beat Obama in 2008. That and she didn't campaign as well, etc. But his liberal bona-fides were much stronger even as his stated policies weren't really all that different.

A strong democratic contender really could make waves against Hilary, or a actual centrist GOP-er, neither such things exist now, so President Hilary here we come.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2015, 12:53:08 AM

(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/05/PM_2015-05-13_mode-study-04.png)(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/05/PM_2015-05-13_mode-study-05.png)(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2015/05/PM_2015-05-13_mode-study-06.png)

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http://www.pewresearch.org/2015/05/13/from-telephone-to-the-web-the-challenge-of-mode-of-interview-effects-in-public-opinion-polls/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2015, 01:35:39 AM

The funny thing to me is that Sarah Palin's "low end" numbers are almost the same as W. Bush's "high end" numbers. She was Governor of Alaska for a couple years.  :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2015, 01:52:06 AM

I don't understand that.

She didn't even start that except for coining the specific phrase, it had been around for months in conservative/Republican circles. And she was just some former Governor of Alaska posting on Facebook.

Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee (at minimum) said the same thing and they've both since run/are running for President. While Sarah Palin had a promotional show or two about Alaska and shows up on Fox News as one of their many many many many conservative "Fox News contributors."

Meanwhile, George W. Bush headed the executive branch for eight years and actually signed off on a few things here and there that didn't work out as intended. Or did and were just "evil" or so.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2015, 02:37:32 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 04:26:14 PM

How is a 2L of Pepsi any different than a bottle of vodka?

You must make a hell of a martini.

How you gonna tell poor kids they can't have orange juice or raisin bran?  C'mon.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2015, 03:29:11 AM

Pepsi will rot their teeth (poors are known to have poor dental hygiene) and contribute to their getting fat, especially when they buy 120 cans of Mountain Dew during their lobster and steak binges, which will raise medical costs which will raise our debt which will harm our bond status which will lead to another default which will lead to economic chaos which will lead to Mad Max: Fury Road becoming real life.

Wait, I screwed that up and made things AWESOME at the end of the slope.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2015, 04:17:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 16, 2015, 11:31:51 PM

Vote for Sanders in the primary and (likely since nobody seems to be interested in challenging her) Stein in the general. Your vote won't change the outcome of the election anyway but you can have a clearer conscience instead of losing your right to complain for eight years.

Self-absolution.  Meh.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2015, 05:07:37 AM

I'm completely flabbergasted at these statements:

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Former Sen. Rick Santorum's answer for handling Iran, one of four countries on the U.S. list of nations accused of repeatedly supporting global terrorism, was to "load up our bombers and bomb them back to the seventh century."

Earlier in the day, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush praised U.S. commandos who had reportedly killed the IS leader, described as the head of oil operations for IS. Bush gave no credit to Obama, whom Bush accused of allowing the rise of IS by pulling back U.S. forces from Iraq.

"It's a great day, but it's not a strategy," Bush told reporters in eastern Iowa.

Although Bush joked lightly about the confused statements he made in recent days about whether he would have ordered the attack in Iraq in 2003, Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul told the GOP gathering Saturday night that it was a "valid question" to ask presidential candidates whether they would have invaded Iraq and toppled Saddam Hussein.

"We have to question: Is Iraq more stable or less stable since Hussein is gone?" asked Paul,

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham tried to reject any assertion that the existing problems in Iraq were the result of the Republican president who ordered the invasion, Bush's brother George W. Bush.

"The person I blame is Barack Obama, not George W. Bush," said Graham, who criticized Obama for keeping a campaign promise to withdraw combat troops from Iraq. Of George W. Bush, Graham said, "He made the best decision he could."

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry, as did others, accused Obama of not taking the threat of Islamic State militants seriously. Perry pointed to claims by the militant group, disputed by terrorism experts, that it was behind the assault on a Texas cartoon contest that featured images of the Prophet Muhammad.

"You see ISIS showing up in Garland, Texas," Perry said. "You realize this is a challenging world we live in."

...

Former business executive Carly Fiorina said that if Clinton is going to run for president, "she is going to have to answer some questions." Paul joked about whether Clinton "ever takes any questions." Earlier in the day Bush said he had taken between 800 and 900 questions, compared to a handful by Clinton.

In one of the more specific broadsides against Clinton, Fiorina said the former first lady must not be president because "she is not trustworthy, she lacks a track record of leadership and her policies will crush the potential of this nation."

...

Having recently visited Israel and met with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, Walker called the Obama administration's foreign policy to "draw a red line in the sand and allow people to cross it." Instead, [Walker] suggested that the United States "take the fight to them."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2015, 06:27:46 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 04:26:14 PM

How is a 2L of Pepsi any different than a bottle of vodka? We already restrict the latter. The former is empty calories. The program is called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Whatever people buy with it should contain nutrients.

Quote from: The Walrus on May 17, 2015, 05:33:22 AM

Also, did you know that soap, laundry detergent, deodorant, etc are not permissible purchases under SNAP? Swap those for soda and we're good.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2015, 11:37:44 AM

You don't get to define nutrition, Benji. Check your privilege.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2015, 05:07:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 17, 2015, 06:27:46 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 04:26:14 PM

How is a 2L of Pepsi any different than a bottle of vodka? We already restrict the latter. The former is empty calories. The program is called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. Whatever people buy with it should contain nutrients.

Quote from: The Walrus on May 17, 2015, 05:33:22 AM

Also, did you know that soap, laundry detergent, deodorant, etc are not permissible purchases under SNAP? Swap those for soda and we're good.

Let them eat laundry detergent.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 17, 2015, 06:21:53 PM

The first GOP candidate* that basically says "Yes, obviously we wouldn't invade Iraq given what we know now, I'd rather stick my face and balls into blenders and hit puree" gets a gold star.

*non Rand Paul division, cause he doesn't count and won't be the nominee

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/florida-man

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2015, 06:36:14 PM

I think we're watching a director's cut version of the Iraq War Redux where Hans Blix, Richard Clarke, and a host of other roles have been removed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2015, 07:04:18 PM

The ghost of George W Bush will claim many victims before 2016.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 17, 2015, 07:18:08 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2015, 07:04:18 PM

The ghost of George W Bush will claim many victims before 2016.

"Did I do that?"

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 17, 2015, 11:17:34 PM

The clown show that's gonna result from a woman being the Dem nominee, brehs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2015, 11:40:46 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 16, 2015, 03:16:49 PM

No sodas, coco puffs or whatever.

Quote from: The Walrus on May 17, 2015, 05:33:22 AM

Mandark, I never said anything about orange juice or raisin brans. Both of those things are staples.

At this point I encourage the reader to look up the nutritional tables for each of these items, then imagine what "common sense" rules would label two of them as "staples" and two of them as treyf.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2015, 11:41:13 PM

I can't believe that she didn't believe that those trufacts were true. The wacky record scratch sound fx was totally convincing.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2015, 11:58:17 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 17, 2015, 11:45:20 PM

OJ is pretty much sugar water though. :yeshrug

Yup, and raisin bran is secretly a candy cereal, but like OJ it has a better reputation than more colorfully marketed foods and drinks.  Saying you'll keep poor parents from buying their kids some OJ sounds a lot worse than saying you won't let them buy soda, when it's basically the same.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2015, 12:12:09 AM

Orange juice is very similar to soda in terms of acidity.

But this Fox thing brehs...I don't even know what to say. Obviously that segment must work perfectly for Fox's demographics: old people and religious people. But like Stacy Dash, that shit would melt if ever taken out of the bubble and exposed to the sunlight of the real world. And we'll be getting a lot more of it soon!

I missed my shot at being a black conservative paid Fox contributor during the Obama era. Now that Hillary is up next there's going to be quite a premium for women willing to say incredibly ignorant shit about women that a man wouldn't be able to get away with. Himu, now is your time. Don't dither like me, take the shot.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 03:17:19 AM

Gavin McInnes is a longtime troll though. Or was.

I think he's become more serious over his post-VICE years since he now writes for Taki's and VDARE though.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/21/gavin-mcinnes-women-workplace_n_4138741.html

Like he looked into the troll singularity and couldn't get escape velocity to get back out.

EDIT: I was surprised when he started popping up on Hannity and "serious" stuff considering Red Eye had all sorts of restrictions put on how many times he could appear in a month because of how much censoring they had to do and what things he'd say. (A special Red Eye guest provision he shared with Sherrod Small and the late Andrew Breitbart.)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 03:19:55 AM

The comments about the Hannity demographics got me interested, lol at the age chart for his show.
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/09/9-27-12-41.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/09/9-27-12-40.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 03:36:46 AM

What's interesting is that MSNBC number vs. Maddow/Hardball's. Who are all the women watching on MSNBC? Morning Joe? Al Sharpton? The Cycle?

The Fox/MSNBC vs. actual show numbers probably mean people just stick their earlier morning/afternoon/evening programming on to get the news, and then when primetime hits they switch over to watch actual shows. So like say Special Report/Fox Report/Greta holds onto the more diverse age/gender cohort which then goes insane because a significant number of the non-old white males bail out when O'Reilly comes on to watch NCIS and CSI: Cyber.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 07:48:59 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/19/us/politics/obama-to-limit-military-style-equipment-for-police-forces.html?_r=0

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WASHINGTON — President Obama on Monday will ban the federal provision of some types of military-style equipment to local police departments and sharply restrict the availability of others, administration officials said.

:obama

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 18, 2015, 08:22:02 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 18, 2015, 03:24:28 AM

The WSJ readership is fucking vile. Basically freepers who had more successful careers.

What the WSJ has become over the last 6-7 years really saddens me.

really, I haven't noticed as much. They're still pretty much the same exact paper they were pre-Murdoch buyout, the layout is just a little more colorful, the opinion page is still (and has always been) extremely conservative, and the nuts and bolts journalism they report on is still financially focused and rock solid informational.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 08:41:55 AM

WSJ has always been quite strict, at least publicly, about that editorial/news divide out of their business/financial focus. Their political news coverage has slid slightly to the GOP since the late 1990s in terms of who they quote in stories and such, but there was a long period where it was slightly "liberal" so it might just be in the state of a correction towards an attempt at a political mean. Murdoch has always had a bit of that slant as well, news coverage should be good and hard, let editorial be as insane as it wants. Not counting his tabloids. You can even see it on FOX when they drop out of commentary mode to cover some breaking story (like the Boston manhunt and global events like the Japanese earthquake) and bring in THE POWER OF XBOX all of Murdoch's global assets to do actual reporting. MSNBC and CNN have gotten worse on that front really, I think FOX is better at utilizing their international assets, CNN's really let theirs go to shit. al Jazeera's now either second or first depending on where in the world it's happening. Then FOX slowly drifts back to baseless commentary and speculation mode as the long wait for more information begins.

But he's right about the readership of the WSJ and any other newspaper. Or news channel. Or website.

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And I love it so.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2015, 09:01:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 03:19:55 AM

The comments about the Hannity demographics got me interested, lol at the age chart for his show.
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/09/9-27-12-41.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2012/09/9-27-12-40.png)

Hannity :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 11:52:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0YGHv2fp1s

Also: https://www.bencarson.com/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 18, 2015, 01:03:07 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 03:17:19 AM

I think he's become more serious over his post-VICE years since he now writes for Taki's and VDARE though.

A-tier shitheel. associated with sites that publish white-nationalist, anti-immigration, slavery apologia material then handwaves it by appealing to shits and giggles

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 01:52:27 PM

He didn't used to be this way, I don't know if he changed or if he was always just hiding it.

About a year into his Red Eye appearances he went from clear trolling and semi-libertarianish opinions to taking more Pat Buchanan type stances on things including like drug use and stuff and being serious about it. And then off onto the anti-immigrant* bandwagon like he was Lou Dobbs.

Seems he's really slotted the MRA stuff in there. Wonder if he has any #GamerGate views.

*And he's born in England, raised in Canada.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 01:53:44 PM

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McInnes said in 2013 that, after being an atheist most of his life, fatherhood made him believe in God and become pro-life.

Okay, that's right about when he stopped trolling on Red Eye and started showing up on the other Fox shows as a serious guest. And started writing for Taki's and VDARE.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 19, 2015, 01:47:49 PM

I guess McInness basically went native. Maybe it's like when law enforcement is undercover too long or Stockholm syndrome. I guess if you spend enough time with Fox News talking heads you eventually become one, regardless of your initial intentions.  :(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2015, 03:39:51 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2015, 01:53:44 PM

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McInnes said in 2013 that, after being an atheist most of his life, fatherhood made him believe in God and become pro-life.

Okay, that's right about when he stopped trolling on Red Eye and started showing up on the other Fox shows as a serious guest. And started writing for Taki's and VDARE.

And now he's just trying to share the joy of parenthood with others, but the liberal feminazi Hannity Show won't let him. :'(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 19, 2015, 08:53:54 PM

I'll go with option c) He got a taste of that Wingnut Welfare and realized they'll accept his mediocrity (it's actually in the job description), but you must fall in line.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 10:32:49 AM

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Grayson’s previously unreported effort to have Lolita Grayson arrested on credit-card fraud charges was revealed in one of her court filings that complained about the wealthy Democrat’s tactics to withhold money from her.

“The Husband has denied the Wife access to marital assets or funds that could be used to pay for attorney’s fees and costs, even going to the extent of filing a criminal complaint against the Wife for her alleged use of a marital credit card account,” her attorney said in a successful March 13 motion to compel Grayson to pay up.

In previous court filings and interviews, Lolita Grayson, who’s now on her sixth lawyer, has depicted Grayson as abusive and so tight-fisted that she and their four minor children had to go on food stamps. She said she couldn’t afford to repair a leaky septic tank and broken windows that allowed mold to fester in the family’s Orlando home. Her situation and the corresponding images of the home’s disrepair aired on local TV in October 2014, just before Grayson — a trial lawyer worth about $31 million — won reelection to a third term in the House.

Grayson has told others that he doesn’t believe his headline-grabbing divorce case — replete with allegations of bigamy, mistresses, cruelty and a delay caused by a leaky breast implant — will be too much of a distraction if he ultimately decides to run for statewide office. But critics in his own party disagree, saying it exposes unpleasant aspects of the firebrand congressman’s temperament that could turn off women in a year when Democrats hope their candidates are buoyed by Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket.

Grayson has made clear in his court filings that he believes Lolita Grayson isn’t entitled to half of his assets under Florida law because she committed bigamy by being married to another person when they tied the knot a quarter-century ago. The two parties recently appeared to reach an agreement to annul the marriage, but, on Monday, Lolita Grayson withdrew.

“I’ll sum it up for you: Gold diggers gotta dig. That’s all I’m gonna say,” the congressman told a reporter for WFTV, an Orlando TV station, after the Monday hearing. “We had an agreement. She’s trying to renege.”

Lolita Grayson wouldn’t comment. About the time she was on food stamps and showing reporters the mold in her family home, she had begun using her husband’s Bank of America credit card, which he left behind after he moved out of the family home in December 2013. The $8,695.29 worth of charges Lolita Grayson racked up on the credit card between Sept. 29 and Oct. 20 last year appeared to be for typical living expenses. The largest charge: nearly $5,900 at Universal Service Center, an Orlando auto-repair store. She spent about $2,300 on groceries and related items at Publix, Whole Foods and Wal-Mart. She dropped $270 at gas stations and about $288 at restaurants — from a $104 charge at Bravo Dellagio in Orlando to $17.17 at a Dunkin Donuts/Baskin Robbins and $15.40 at Planet Smoothie.

:rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 10:35:10 AM

https://www.texastribune.org/2015/05/19/cruz-visits-beaumont-defends-gay-marriage-oppositi/

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"Is there something about the left — and I am going to put the media in this category — that is obsessed with sex?” Cruz asked after fielding multiple questions on gay rights. “ISIS is executing homosexuals — you want to talk about gay rights? This week was a very bad week for gay rights because the expansion of ISIS, the expansion of radical, theocratic, Islamic zealots that crucify Christians, that behead children and that murder homosexuals — that ought to be concerning you far more than asking six questions all on the same topic.”

Cruz also said he did not think his opposition to gay marriage will hurt his chances with moderate voters.

“With respect, I would suggest not drawing your questions from MSNBC. They have very few viewers and they are a radical and extreme partisan outlet,” Cruz told a reporter. He cited the expansion of “mandatory same-sex marriage” as an assault on religious liberty in the United States.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2015, 11:16:49 AM

Cruz is jealous of ISIS power. ISIS kills gays and the fact that we can't in America is an assault on religious freedom.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 11:20:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-yGeUSNttw

1:45 brehs  :dead

also 0:55

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2015, 11:39:03 AM

If Iraq doesn't sack up and defend itself with the tens of billions of dollars in equipment given to them by us, then let them be dissolved and absorbed into neighboring countries.

I don't think we need to be involved in muslim on muslim warfare.

Should we have gone into Ireland and helped the Catholics?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 11:48:37 AM

How are airstrikes not "directly intervening militarily"? It's arguably our largest military usage and advantage considering we can't drive the Navy directly into the area. (Though back in 2003 I proposed a Navy-led invasion of Iraq by towing battleships and such into the desert just to be real shock and awe.)

U.S./NATO/Western airstrikes have been "decisive" factors in many recent conflicts. To make another arguable statement, it's the primary way we "won" in Iraq and Afghanistan along with special forces in the first place. The rest was mostly really just deploying occupational forces.

Quote from: Brehvolution on May 20, 2015, 11:39:03 AM

Should we have gone into Ireland and helped the Catholics?

Are we role playing as Peter King in this scenario?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on May 20, 2015, 12:55:45 PM

I do think that leaving "jihadist" groups

Quote from: The Walrus on May 20, 2015, 11:33:25 AM

Question for the people with more foreign policy chops:

If we just sit back and don't directly intervene militarily, aside from airstrikes, and the Islamic State consolidates its territory, is it more likely that major terrorist attacks would occur on U.S. soil?

Also, by not committing ground forces to drive back ISIS right now, are we increasing the chances of a full-blown war (an actual war involving the big players in the region like Israel, SA, Egypt and Iran) that we'd have to intervene in?

I think letting a bona fide "Jihadist state" taking root will increase the probability of the answer of both your questions being "yes". The whole "Califate" idea is by definition a challenge to the current nations and institutions in the region and we already see how the ISIS situation has spilled into Syria (and the whole Shia / Sunni thing). It will also make a strong and solid rear base for armed groups. Sure, they were never devoid of financial backing and training camps, but I think them having "their country" with all the trappings (tax base, export revenue, access to heavier military hardware) makes for an important difference. It's reasonable to think that it will bolster attacks on US and European interests in all current hotspots (Horn of Africa and Sahara, for instance) and it could, although I'm less sure of that (the whole lone wolf or cell strategy offer results with a somewhat small infrastructure and commitment), facilitate what you call major attacks on US soil.

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Or you could be an optimist and think that somewhere down the line, it will turn into an Iran situation, they will value more being an actual functional "normal" country than a perpetual ideological vanguard at war.  As far as I can tell, the dynamic is different though.

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With all that being said, I'm not an advocate of putting boots on the ground (or at least doing it like the US did in Iraq). Air campaigns are probably as effective at achieving what we want (severely disrupting hostile military efforts) for a fraction of the cost (financial and political) or risk. Sure it won't actually solve anything, but neither will a ground war (as the recent example has shown). Let's be honest for a second, no matter how much we would like to believe it, those expeditionary war efforts will not and just cannot fix any of the deep long term issues of the people actually living there. They may however mitigate a threat to our interests and kick the can down the road for a couples decades more (hopefully at a more auspicious time for the issues to be adressed by the populations themselves), something which is actually a legitimate political goal.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 20, 2015, 12:58:32 PM

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They may however mitigate a problem and kick the can down the road for a couples decades more, something which is actually a legitimate political goal.

Above all else, keep the military industrial complex happy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 20, 2015, 02:59:12 PM

The more IS assumes responsibilities that make it look like an actual state the more it'll have to play by Westphalian rules. at the moment, it looks like it's completely content larping as the brown gestapo while providing a modicum of infrastructure in the territory it holds. domestic terrorist attacks in western countries have invariably been at the hands of international terrorist cells who intentionally shirk state formation and thrive in non state spaces. The whole point of IS is to draw in malleable recruits from abroad to use as foot soldiers with ideally no local connections in Syria/Iraq. IS is much more concerned with fighting their immediate neighbors (and pretty much everyone else too) at home than with conducting violence abroad.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 03:53:32 PM

I think it's a bit premature as well to assume that the Islamic State can consolidate its territory and become a state despite its title. Infighting that collapses any central rule is much more likely than anyone setting up some kind of unified global terrorist superstate.

It's kinda like The Taliban, even before 9/11 they only controlled a small if relatively important part of Afghanistan, a constantly shifting group of alliances among warlords dominated most of the territory. Some of those were Taliban allies who disagreed over what to have for lunch so seized their own cities and set up their own oppressive regimes. Even Iran doesn't have absolute control within its borders as we'd consider in the West, for example, segments of the Baluch population have been in a low level conflict that comes and goes since the 1980s and sometimes kills a bunch of people and other times just smacks shoes on cars or whatever. And like the Kurds have often operated with only a modicum of acknowledgement of a higher level of government above their local one. (Since they're spread across three-four states at least, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India.)

We're good buddies with potentially one of their more hardline teams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah_(Iran) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jundallah_(Iran)) who may been started by Saddam, our old buddy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baluchi_Autonomist_Movement

You can say similar things about other disruptions in countries with less established central states, the "victors" tend not to have much power outside their held territory even if they are the recognized government. See: all of Africa since the end of colonialism basically. Many Latin American countries due to US meddling during the Cold War. Et al.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 20, 2015, 07:22:43 PM

To me it seems like your examples kind of prove the opposite of what you're saying. Prior to October 2001, The Taliban controlled a small and important part of Afghanistan—but so does the government in Afghanistan that we recognize now. In both cases it was/is still considered a legitimate state. If the U.S. military were to pull out completely, Ghani would control Kabul and that's it. Yet we and most of the international community would still recognize Afghanistan as a state.

Likewise, Syria and Iraq are considered states, but they obviously don't control the territory they claim. But for the most part, IS does:

(http://i.imgur.com/TYblpF8l.jpg)

To be considered a state, the general requirements in IR 101 are a people, territory, and a monopoly on violence/ability to defend that territory. To me, IS hits those check boxes—certainly more so than a lot of things that we consider states (such as your examples.) The last requirement is recognition from the international community. I think that is just a matter of time. I do not see the Sykes-Picot borders carrying on through the 21st century.

I'd like to take a shot at The Walrus's questions because I don't agree with some of the answers here, but I'll have to come back to that later.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 20, 2015, 08:44:29 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on May 20, 2015, 07:22:43 PM

The last requirement is recognition from the international community. I think that is just a matter of time.

This is what it hinges on. IS hasn't endeared itself to the international community, their party line effectively ensures they never will. They don't even view themselves to be a state in any Westphalian sense of the term; the idea of IS is closer to the establishment, by any means, of a pan-Islamic (read: Sunni (read: Salafi)) police state with intentionally nebulous borders than one who acknowledges cuius regio, eius religio.

Quote from: http://en.idi.org.il/analysis/articles/isis-is-the-islamic-state-really-a-state/

Accordingly, at this stage [Sept. 14, 2014], the caliphate does not have international legitimacy and is not recognized by the States of the world. Even if the caliphate were to meet the aforementioned condition, it will find it very difficult to function as a State in the international community.

Any Islamic State that fits within the international order will look decidedly different than the one that currently exists.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 20, 2015, 09:12:33 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 20, 2015, 08:44:29 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on May 20, 2015, 07:22:43 PM

The last requirement is recognition from the international community. I think that is just a matter of time.

This is what it hinges on. IS hasn't endeared itself to the international community, their party line effectively ensures they never will. They don't even view themselves to be a state in any Westphalian sense of the term; the idea of IS is closer to the establishment, by any means, of a pan-Islamic (read: Sunni (read: Salafi)) police state with intentionally nebulous borders than one who acknowledges cuius regio, eius religio.

Quote from: http://en.idi.org.il/analysis/articles/isis-is-the-islamic-state-really-a-state/

Accordingly, at this stage [Sept. 14, 2014], the caliphate does not have international legitimacy and is not recognized by the States of the world. Even if the caliphate were to meet the aforementioned condition, it will find it very difficult to function as a State in the international community.

Any Islamic State that fits within the international order will look decidedly different than the one that currently exists.

I agree. It seems like it will be very difficult for the Islamic State to find friends in the international community. On the other hand, rogue states already exist and will continue to exist. Additionally, there has been some evidence that they have had some cooperation from the Gulf states and Turkey, so maybe that continues, maybe it won't. I think that the urgent crisis to them is the growing power of the Shia Crescent and as long as IS fights that they will continue to at least tolerate it.

My point is simply that the idea of the Islamic State isn't as far fetched as some people would like it to be, and a lot of Western analysis seems to be based more on wishful thinking than an objective perspective. The narrative from the Department of Defense, for example is downright doublespeak, and much of the Western media/think tanks seems to parrot this. By continuing to underestimate their command and control ability we will continue to be surprised by them, just like in Anbar in 2013, Ninewa/Mosul in 2014, and Ramadi 2015.

I agree fully with your last statement. Such is the nature of the evolving geopolitical sphere.


Edit: I hope we can all fully appreciate the irony of the Israel Democracy Institute defining what is and isn't a state and saying that even if IS were recognized, it would find it "difficult" to function in the international community. :teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2015, 11:42:50 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on May 20, 2015, 07:22:43 PM

To me it seems like your examples kind of prove the opposite of what you're saying. Prior to October 2001, The Taliban controlled a small and important part of Afghanistan—but so does the government in Afghanistan that we recognize now. In both cases it was/is still considered a legitimate state. If the U.S. military were to pull out completely, Ghani would control Kabul and that's it. Yet we and most of the international community would still recognize Afghanistan as a state.

Likewise, Syria and Iraq are considered states, but they obviously don't control the territory they claim. But for the most part, IS does:

To be considered a state, the general requirements in IR 101 are a people, territory, and a monopoly on violence/ability to defend that territory.

Right, which raises the question of why?

When a government doesn't hold the legitimate monopoly on violence in a territory, let alone any kind of monopoly, their claimant to having control of the entire "state" as so bordered is quite specious.

The tyranny of the atlas-globe-industrial complex must end!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2015, 01:46:27 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fox-news-to-limit-the-field-for-first-gop-presidential-debate/2015/05/20/7d4e0386-ff2e-11e4-805c-c3f407e5a9e9_story.html

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Fox News announced guidelines Wednesday that will winnow the field of participants in the first Republican debate of the 2016 presidential campaign.

The network will require contenders to place in the top 10 in an average of the five most recent national polls in the run-up to the event, narrowing what is expected to be a field of 16 or more by the Aug. 6 event in Cleveland.

...

Meanwhile, CNN laid out a different approach for the second debate on Sept. 16, which will be split into two parts — one featuring the top 10 candidates in public polling and a second that will include lower-tiered candidates who garner at least 1 percent in polls. The forum, being held at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, Calif., will also require participants to have at least one paid campaign worker in two of the four early voting states.

...

RNC Chairman Reince Priebus said Wednesday that the party supports the approaches taken by the two cable networks.

CNN's method would be better if it mixed and matched instead of sticking all the "stars" in one debate and the losers in another. I mean, you know if the point was to actually have some kind of debate.


Also, lol at people whining about Rand's second short-term filibuster. Like any actual filibuster wouldn't get voted down with 80+ votes and then the bill passed 95-5.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 21, 2015, 01:47:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/dhF6PPN.png)

:lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 21, 2015, 01:54:27 PM

:heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2015, 01:55:13 PM

:mindblown

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2015, 01:56:37 PM

Well maybe he should have thought of that because he self-certified himself to be a doctor. I want to see an eye chart and that little machine that poofs air into your eye, now bitch. :bolo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on May 21, 2015, 02:00:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 20, 2015, 03:53:32 PM

I think it's a bit premature as well to assume that the Islamic State can consolidate its territory and become a state despite its title. Infighting that collapses any central rule is much more likely than anyone setting up some kind of unified global terrorist superstate.

And I would think that an air campaign would only help this disruption. I'm fairly confident that an actual IS would be a Bad Thing® for Western interests, not a "catastrophic end of the world terrorists have won Shariah in Alabama" bad thing, but a bad thing nonetheless. To me it seems  ISIS has friends, non-overt ones but backers nonetheless so I agree that they may pull off the state thing if left to their own devices (even a partly functional one by our standards). I guess the best argument against the use of military force is that Libya ended up a basketcase anyway so...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2015, 04:08:39 PM

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Bloomberg reports on a focus group of 10 Iowa Democrats: “Participants repeatedly praised Clinton’s experience, especially on foreign policy, though none was able to name any of her accomplishments as the nation’s top diplomat.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2015, 06:42:46 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/foreigners/2015/05/abu_bakr_al_baghdadi_sounds_a_lot_like_a_republican_presidential_candidate.html

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The Republican candidates for president say this reluctance to associate Islam with jihadi violence is naïve, wimpy, and dangerous. “We need a commander in chief who will once and for all call it what it is, and that is that radical Islamic terrorism is a threat to us all,” says Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker. Rick Santorum agrees: “Islam is an ideology. And we need to be honest about the American public about what the nature of our enemy really is.” Sen. Marco Rubio promises a Reaganesque crusade:

"[W]e must restore America’s willingness to think big—to state boldly what we stand for and why it is right. Just as Reagan never flinched in his criticisms of the Soviet Union’s political and economic repressions, we must never shy away from demanding that China allow true freedom for its 1.3 billion people. Nor should we hesitate in calling the source of atrocities in the Middle East by its real name—radical Islam."

The Republicans don’t just call the enemy Islamic. They criticize Clinton and Obama for preaching coexistence. At last weekend’s South Carolina Freedom Summit, they laughed off the Crusades and defended mockery of Islam. Carly Fiorina, a former Republican Senate nominee now running for president, demanded to know why Clinton has advocated “religious tolerance” and “the need to empathize with our enemies while Christians are being beheaded and crucified.”

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Republicans who talk this way think they’re being tough. In reality, however, they’re aiding the enemy. They’re doing for ISIS what they did for al-Qaida: assisting its recruitment, social media, and political strategy. Rhetorically, ISIS and the GOP are in perfect harmony.

Don’t take it from me. Take it from the leader of ISIS, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi. On Thursday his media team released a speech in which the would-be caliph presents his views on Islam, tolerance, and sectarian violence. Baghdadi sounds like a Republican candidate for president. Here’s what he says:

....

That’s why Baghdadi agrees with American conservatives who say our enemy is Islam:

O Muslims! Do not think the war that we are waging is the Islamic State’s war alone. Rather, it is the Muslims’ war altogether. It is the war of every Muslim in every place. … O Muslims everywhere, has the time not come for you to realize the truth of the conflict and that it is between disbelief and faith? … This war is only against you and against your religion.

...

 He tells Muslims that they must choose:

O Muslims! Whoever thinks that it is within his capacity to conciliate with the Jews, Christians, and other disbelievers, and for them to conciliate with him, such that he coexists with them and they coexist with him while he is upon his religion and upon tawhīd (monotheism), then he has belied the explicit statement of his Lord (the Mighty and Majestic), who says, “And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion. … And they will continue to fight you until they turn you back from your religion.”

...

Two weeks ago Jeb Bush said “part” of the Muslim world was “not a religion of peace.” Baghdadi, too, rejects the religion-of-peace narrative:

O Muslims, Islam was never for a day the religion of peace. Islam is the religion of war. Your Prophet (peace be upon him) was dispatched with the sword as a mercy to the creation. He was ordered with war until Allah is worshipped alone. He (peace be upon him) said to the polytheists of his people, “I came to you with slaughter.” … He never for a day grew tired of war.

...

Baghdadi says followers of Islam should stand with him because they can’t trust Western governments to protect their rights or spare their innocents. He warns Muslims:

And if the Crusaders today claim to avoid the Muslim public and to confine themselves to targeting the armed amongst them, then soon you will see them targeting every Muslim everywhere. And if the Crusaders today have begun to bother the Muslims who continue to live in the lands of the cross by monitoring them, arresting them, and questioning them, then soon they will begin to displace them and take them away either dead, imprisoned, or homeless.

...

Last weekend in South Carolina, Santorum complained that most of the planes we’re flying over ISIS territory “come back not having dropped their ordnance.” Apparently, Santorum thinks the military is too careful in its selection and examination of targets.

The convergence of Republican rhetoric with jihadist propaganda isn’t new. It’s been building ever since George W. Bush left the White House. Liberated from presidential responsibility, Republicans degenerated into a party that uses Islam for domestic politics instead of thinking about how their words resonate overseas. That’s how they became backup singers for Osama Bin Laden. Now they’re working for Baghdadi

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 21, 2015, 11:02:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 21, 2015, 04:08:39 PM

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Bloomberg reports on a focus group of 10 Iowa Democrats: “Participants repeatedly praised Clinton’s experience, especially on foreign policy, though none was able to name any of her accomplishments as the nation’s top diplomat.”

Hard to blame them. She's had a hard time with this question too:

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When Sawyer asked Clinton to detail a marquee accomplishment or signature doctrine as secretary, she gave no answer — an exchange her Republican critics immediately highlighted.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/on-eve-of-book-tour-hillary-clinton-causes-flap-by-saying-she-struggled-with-money/2014/06/09/0a21bcce-efe7-11e3-9ebc-2ee6f81ed217_story.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 21, 2015, 11:12:07 PM

Hilary can't "detail a marquee accomplishment or signature doctrine as secretary" because there are simply too many hits

As confirmed in her 2014 book, she effectively supported the 2009 military overthrow of left-of-center Honduran President Manuel Zelaya — a “caricature of a Central American strongman” — by pushing for a “compromise” solution that endorsed his illegal ouster.

She has advocated the application of the Colombia model — highly militarized “anti-drug” initiatives coupled with neoliberal economic policies — to other countries in the region, and is full of praise for the devastating militarization of Mexico over the past decade. That militarization has resulted in eighty thousand or more deaths since 2006, including the forty-three Mexican student activists disappeared (and presumably massacred) in September 2014.

In the Caribbean, the US model of choice is Haiti, where Clinton and her husband have relentlessly promoted the sweatshop model of production since the 1990s. WikiLeaks documents show that in 2009 her State Department collaborated with subcontractors for Hanes, Levi’s, and Fruit of the Loom to oppose a minimum-wage increase for Haitian workers. After the January 2010 earthquake she helped spearhead the highly militarized US response.

Militarization has plentiful benefits, as Clinton understands. It can facilitate corporate investment, such as the “gold rush” that the US ambassador described following the Haiti earthquake. It can keep in check nonviolent dissidents, such as hungry Haitian workers or leftist students in Mexico. And it can help combat the influence of countries like Venezuela that have challenged neoliberalism and US geopolitical control.

These goals have long motivated US hostility toward Cuba, and thus Clinton’s recent call for ending the US embargo against Cuba was pragmatic, not principled: “It wasn’t achieving its goals” of overthrowing the government, as she says in her recent book. The goal there, as in Venezuela, is to compel the country to “restore private property and return to a free market economy,” as she demanded of Venezuela in 2010.

A reasonable synopsis of Clinton’s record around the world comes from neoconservative policy adviser Robert Kagan, who, like Clinton, played an important role in advocating the 2003 Iraq invasion. “I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Kagan told the New York Times last June. Asked what to expect from a Hillary Clinton presidency, Kagan predicted that “if she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue, it’s something that might have been called neocon.” But, he added, “clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”

 :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2015, 11:32:58 PM

(http://www.taylormarsh.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Clinton_Lavrov.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/PV1i29Eh.jpg)

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 22, 2015, 12:51:38 AM

+1 to the Rand Paul fan club  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/julian-assange-rand-paul_n_3768841.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

The current libertarian strain of political thought in the Republican Party was the "the only hope" for American electoral politics, Assange concluded. :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2015, 12:53:56 AM

meanwhile Kerry is out here balling hard as SoS.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on May 22, 2015, 12:55:20 AM

Quote from: brob on May 22, 2015, 12:51:38 AM

+1 to the Rand Paul fan club  (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/16/julian-assange-rand-paul_n_3768841.html?utm_hp_ref=tw)

The current libertarian strain of political thought in the Republican Party was the "the only hope" for American electoral politics, Assange concluded. :bow2

Assange  :heyman

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2015, 01:06:24 AM

I think he's said that before, maybe it was just Snowden.

Only libertarians are hideable enough in normal society and yet delusional enough to believe exposing the state will harm it.

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lol at that projection in this post

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2015, 01:16:04 AM

Unfortunately, I think he's right sadly. In terms of how as long as 99% of the Republican Party cares not one whit about civil liberties (as the ACLU understands them at minimum) it provides cover for half the Democrats to be slightly less shitbags about it. (Say whatever, do nothing. Actively oppose it. So on.) So your Wyden, Leahy, Feingold, etc. don't even have the chance of advancing their bills within their own caucus. If the GOP had say even six or seven Senators close to Rand, I think there'd be more traction for those issues because you could start dragging in some of the marginal Democrats as well. (Maybe even get some questioning of Hillary's SC nominees regarding a few of Sotomeyer's hott opinions. Especially any where it was her and Thomas dissenting. :lol)

Then again, what have these Gang of [X]'s ever accomplished legislatively? Even going way back to the Gang of Four.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2015, 02:17:45 AM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/21/fbi-admits-patriot-act-snooping-powers-didnt-crack/

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FBI agents can’t point to any major terrorism cases they’ve cracked thanks to the key snooping powers in the Patriot Act, the Justice Department’s inspector general said in a report Thursday that could complicate efforts to keep key parts of the law operating.

Inspector General Michael E. Horowitz said that between 2004 and 2009, the FBI tripled its use of bulk collection under Section 215 of the Patriot Act, which allows government agents to compel businesses to turn over records and documents, and increasingly scooped up records of Americans who had no ties to official terrorism investigations.

...

“The agents we interviewed did not identify any major case developments that resulted from use of the records obtained in response to Section 215 orders,” the inspector general concluded — though he said agents did view the material they gathered as “valuable” in developing other leads or corroborating information.

Yeah, but think of how many it prevented in the first place.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 22, 2015, 09:15:46 AM

krug da gawd  :rejoice

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/22/opinion/paul-krugman-trade-and-trust.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2015, 09:55:49 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/budget-battles-gop-2016-governors

tl;dr = Republican governors issue massive tax cuts and then are confused when their states start running budget deficits.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 22, 2015, 11:06:48 AM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/may/21/fbi-admits-patriot-act-snooping-powers-didnt-crack/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&google_editors_picks=true

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2015, 11:46:49 AM

Two Moonie Times links within 4 posts, huh?

:hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on May 22, 2015, 12:17:39 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2015, 09:55:49 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/budget-battles-gop-2016-governors

tl;dr = Republican governors issue massive tax cuts and then are confused when their states start running budget deficits.

Kasich has proposed tax raises that promise to grow tax revenues more than he has cut (by focusing on consumption taxes instead).  TPM seems to skim over that and focus on Norquist instead.

--//--


 This made me laugh

(http://thehill.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/blogs/shruggie.jpg?itok=nlGW5Ofz)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2015, 12:49:09 PM

Insurers seem to be operating as if they expect the court to rule in favor of the government. If common sense does indeed prevail I wonder what the next attack on the law will be.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2015, 01:22:30 PM

Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/05/heres-how-kansas-republicans-are-screwing-poor

Starting in July, a new law in Kansas will restrict the amount of cash a welfare recipient can take out of ATM's to just $25 a day—a move that critics say introduces a whole new host of financial burdens—including high ATM fees and travel costs—when they access cash.

Max Ehrenfreund at the Washington Post explains:

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Since most banking machines are stocked only with $20 bills, the $25 limit is effectively a $20 limit. A family seeking to withdraw even $200 in cash would have to visit an ATM 10 times a month, a real burden for a parent who might not have a car and might not live in a neighborhood where ATMs are easy to find.

The law, backed by a GOP-dominated Kansas legislature and Republican Gov. Sam Brownback, will benefit the pockets of large banks while taking money from poor families who rely on food stamps.

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In Kansas's system, every withdrawal incurs a $1 fee, and if the beneficiary doesn't have a bank account, they will have to pay the ATM fee, too. Those fees might be worth it for some families, though, because the card issued by the state of Kansas isn't like a debit card from an ordinary bank. Ordinary debit cards allow their holders to make purchases for free in stores. In Kansas, beneficiaries get two free purchases a month. After that, they pay 40 cents every time they use the card to buy something.

There you go! Poverty solved!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: sarslip on May 22, 2015, 01:36:57 PM

http://www.democracynow.org/2015/5/21/matt_taibbi_worlds_largest_banks_admit   @ 34:24

Taibbi heat

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on May 22, 2015, 01:38:20 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 22, 2015, 01:23:57 PM

:mindblown

There isn't enough :mindblown for that

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2015, 02:04:16 PM

Seems like an effective way to fuck up a person's ability to, you know, find a job or deal with emergencies. Good job Kansas.
:snoop

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 22, 2015, 03:06:21 PM

The banks make out better than the poor in Kansas.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on May 22, 2015, 08:53:06 PM

What can justify a policy like the one in Kansas ? What is the realistic (apart from the usual "punishing those slackers and leechers into willing to stop being poor") goal there ? To force them out of the state ?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 22, 2015, 10:06:02 PM

Win votes and prevent "waste" for the sake of the taxpayers and the misguided poors themselves.  The usual.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 22, 2015, 10:09:36 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on May 22, 2015, 03:06:21 PM

The banks make out better than the poor in Kansas.

A feature, not a bug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2015, 10:16:34 PM

Still amazed that Brownback got re-elected. He's done quite a good job of focusing everyone's attention on the "taker society" as if they're the reason the budget is all fucked up. Jesus...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 23, 2015, 02:05:05 PM

If they don't suffer how will they know their place?

I mean, I have to withdraw in multiples of $20 at most places too.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Oblivion on May 23, 2015, 05:46:55 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 22, 2015, 12:17:39 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2015, 09:55:49 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/budget-battles-gop-2016-governors

tl;dr = Republican governors issue massive tax cuts and then are confused when their states start running budget deficits.

Kasich has proposed tax raises that promise to grow tax revenues more than he has cut (by focusing on consumption taxes instead).  TPM seems to skim over that and focus on Norquist instead.

What is that supposed to prove though?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 02:50:59 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/243027-dont-let-the-secular-progressives-drive-god-out-carson-tells-gop

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GOP presidential contender Ben Carson on Saturday urged conservatives to remain resolute when government challenges their religious liberties.

“Don’t let the secular progressives drive God out of our lives,” Carson told listeners at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference in Oklahoma City.

“We have to stop letting them bully us,” he said of secular interests. ‘We back down too easily. It’s an important part of who we are."

...

“The fact of the matter is that I believe our founders set up a system that wasn’t supposed to cater to a political class,” Carson said. “It was supposed to cater to the people.”

“We’ve gotten everything confused,” the retired neurosurgeon said of today’s political landscape.

“We’ve got to stop making everything into a political issue,” he added. “Our unity is through our strength.”

Wait wait, there's more!

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Carson said he saw partisan divides over the 2012 terrorist attack in Benghazi, Libya as another unnecessary schism.

“Every issue is a pro-American or an anti-American issue,” he said.

“We have never left our people stranded and not tried to rescue them,” Carson said of the attack on the U.S. consulate in Libya that killed four Americans. “We don’t do that, that’s not America.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 24, 2015, 02:51:21 AM

Also, they had a straw poll, which is super important:

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Carson took 25.4 percent of the 958 votes cast, followed by Walker at 20.5 percent and Cruz at 16.6 percent. Both Carson and Walker addressed the conference and met with attendees, while Cruz had to skip his scheduled Friday night speech because of Senate votes held in Washington.

None of the other Republicans polled competitively. Chris Christie finished fourth with 5.3 percent, followed by Rick Perry at 5 percent and Jeb Bush at 4.9 percent. All three of those prospective candidates spoke here this week. Three others—Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, and Bobby Jindal—finished at 4.1 percent each. Most surprising was Mike Huckabee, whose 2016 strategy relies heavily on performing well in the South. He finished in a distant 10th place, tied with Carly Fiorina at only 2.7 percent -- possibly because he did not address the conference.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2015, 08:44:00 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/05/24/politics/ashton-carter-isis-ramadi/index.html

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What apparently happened was that the Iraqi forces just showed no will to fight," Carter told CNN's Barbara Starr. "They were not outnumbered. In fact, they vastly outnumbered the opposing force, and yet they failed to fight, they withdrew from the site, and that says to me, and I think to most of us, that we have an issue with the will of the Iraqis to fight ISIL and defend themselves."

Seems like a problem that could be easily solved by throwing more guns at it (like every problem).

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The U.S. has sped up the shipment of some arms to help boost Iraqi forces as ISIS has recently taken more territory

Oh okay, situation under control then.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2015, 04:53:34 PM

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Augustus Invictus announced his official candidacy to become the next U.S. Senator from Florida on Monday May 18, 2015 to a crowd of supporters and press in a crowded Orlando, Florida venue. “When Augustus wins the race for U.S. Senate, he will become the youngest Senator in America and a champion for generational respect,” remarked campaign manager Thomas R. Reich.

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/11245487_108527239480380_1423457483326676054_n.jpg?oh=d6e6f07470a274d74969a359e6e47bf1&oe=55FED16D)
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/05/augustus-invictus-announces-libertarian-candidacy-for-florida-u-s-senate-being-vacated-by-marco-rubio/

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Imperium, P.A., the law firm founded by Invictus, has handled and won many cases pro bono publico that involved the Federal and State Governments infringing on the civil rights of Floridians and American Citizens.

“We see our duty to the law as one involving trust, as one demanding commitment to what is right; public office involves the trust of the people and demands an even stronger commitment,” Augustus continued in a Saturday interview with an influential member of the Libertarian Party of Florida.

Invictus spoke to a group of about 200 Florida Citizens and members of the media, as the speech was streamed to a world audience. The event was held in a private room above Doc’s Streetside Grill in Orlando, Florida, a popular location for political announcements frequented by U.S. Congressman Daniel Webster, former congressional candidate Todd Long, Mayor Buddy Dyer, and other public figures.

Invictus posed questions to the members of the Federal Government:

“Do you seek to defend your countrymen against the corrupt? Or do you work hand-in-hand with the corrupt for your own advantage? Do you seek to serve your countrymen as leaders? Or do you higgle and haggle for power by debasing yourselves for a few votes more? Do you seek to protect the freedoms guaranteed by the Revolution? Or do you act as slaves to your Parties and your lobbyists in order to secure more funding for reelection?”

Wayne Jackman, Treasurer of the Libertarian Party of Orange County, said, “Augustus has one of the freshest approaches to politics I have seen in years,” Jackman continued “His commitment to generational change and independent thinking, in a new world free of lobbyists, is refreshing.”

http://business.financialpost.com/legal-post/florida-lawyer-vows-to-bring-a-second-civil-war
http://abovethelaw.com/2013/04/the-kind-of-unhinged-departure-memo-that-would-have-been-way-funnier-before-the-marathon-attack/
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/future-ruin-argument-eugenics-augustus-sol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2015, 05:03:01 PM

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2015, 05:30:24 PM

Augustus Sol Invictus

:dead :dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 25, 2015, 05:33:31 PM

becoming a lawyer because you like Latin like a LARPer likes mead :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 25, 2015, 05:39:03 PM

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/04/the-kind-of-unhinged-departure-memo-that-would-have-been-way-funnier-before-the-marathon-attack/

 :what

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 25, 2015, 05:51:08 PM

protecting civil liberties and the public good

by fucking killing these degenerate abnormals before they get a chance to leech off of our great nation

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2015, 06:16:35 PM

Witness ye the glory of my life at 29 years of age: I have four children, each of whom should be the envy of every parent in the world; I have attained a Baccalaureate Degree in Philosophy with honors; I have attained a Doctorate in Law, cum laude; I have acquired licenses in the profession of law in the States of New York, Illinois, and Florida; I am scheduled to acquire two more such licenses in North Carolina & Massachusetts; I am Editor-in-Chief of a poetry journal; I run an independent publishing company; I have opened my own law office in downtown Orlando; I am an MBA candidate; and I have accomplished a few other things that will remain off the record for now.

I am of genius intellect & cultured, well-educated & creative, well-mannered & refined. I am God’s gift to humankind where the English language is concerned, and I also happen to have a basic knowledge of Latin, Greek, French, Spanish, and Italian. I am musical & artistic; I am athletic & possessed of militant self-discipline; and I am many other things. I have a Cadillac & a poodle, multiple computers & a personal library; I live in an apartment downtown, right across the street from the courthouse; I have been to Paris & Vancouver, to Cairo & Dubrovnik, to Mexico City & Siracusa. I dress better than all of you, pronounce my words perfectly, and have a winning, professional handshake. I am everything you ever wanted to be.

I challenge any of you, then, to accuse me of being a failure in this artificial civilization of yours. For it is beyond dispute that I have played your petty game, and I have won.

But your game no longer holds any interest for me. Your architecture is vapid & worthless, as is your decadent culture, the mindless drivel you call music, the filth you call democracy. You waste your lives watching pure excrement on television, shopping at the strip malls, planning your vacations to resorts & theme parks. The Internet, with its infinitude of information, is used for reading celebrity gossip & watching sitcoms. You have begun to reduce argument to memes & human communication to trite sound bites. Life has become trivial – and if you cannot feel the human spirit decaying, you are already dead.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2015, 06:19:31 PM

I'm not going to be trolled like this on a holiday. Nope.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 25, 2015, 06:28:26 PM

Augustus Invictus, get on my level:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cajus_Julius_Caesar

Four generations deep.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brawndolicious on May 25, 2015, 06:36:54 PM

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(overflowing barrels of masturbatory rebellion)

....
 
War Be unto the Ends of the Earth,

Augustus Sol Invictus
Orlando, Florida, USA
XX Aprilis MMXIII Satvrnvs

Man the Libertarian party has fallen worse than I could imagine if this is their main candidate. I mean this is just the skeleton in his closet that he publicly skull fucked. I wonder of he has any chance of appearing on TV?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 25, 2015, 06:39:12 PM

Yo people, benji

:hitler :paul

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2015, 07:52:54 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/25/1387686/-Charles-C-Johnson-gets-booted-off-Twitter-for-wanting-to-take-out-Deray-McKesson

this fucking guy 
(http://i.imgur.com/Rokd9Nh.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2015, 07:59:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/NQpYHus.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 10:03:48 AM

Local news report on ALEC stuff in Atlanta [ignore the 10-second opening]:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5lmWd2sOSA

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2015, 12:25:01 PM

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WOODWARD: I spent 18 months looking at how Bush decided to invade Iraq. And lots of mistakes, but it was Bush telling George Tenet, the CIA director, don't let anyone stretch the case on WMD. And he was the one who was skeptical. And if you try to summarize why we went into Iraq, it was momentum. The war plan kept getting better and easier, and finally at the end, people were saying, hey, look, it will only take a week or two. And early on it looked like it was going to take a year or 18 months. And so Bush pulled the trigger. A mistake certainly can be argued, and there is an abundance of evidence. But there was no lying in this that I could find.

Hard to believe this is the same guy that blew open Watergate. Get old and stan for D-tier presidents, brehs. :fbm

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2015, 12:27:04 PM

They knew the evidence Powell presented to the UN was bullshit.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 01:15:45 PM

Woodward also drops this laughable chestnut:

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As for President Barack Obama's decision to leave no residual force behind when American troops left Iraq in December 2011, Woodward indicated it would have been better to have left 10,000-15,000 troops behind as "an insurance policy" as military commanders suggested.

"We have 30,000 troops or more in South Korea still, 65 years or so after the war," Woodward said. "When you’re a superpower, you have to buy these insurance policies, and he didn’t in this case. I don’t think you can say everything is because of that decision — but clearly a factor."

What's wrong with that statement? How about everything?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 01:57:40 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-iranians-are-liars

"Everything I know about the Iranians I learned in the pool room," Lindsey Graham said, during a video address to the Southern Republican Leadership Conference, referencing his time working in a bar.

"I ran the pool room when I was a kid and I met a lot of liars, and I know the Iranians are liars," he added.

This guy really think he has a chance at becoming President? :heh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Trent Dole on May 26, 2015, 03:20:13 PM

None of them do. ...and I need a Hillary emote for this but we haven't got one. :tocry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2015, 03:57:26 PM

Pool Room seems like a euphemism for something, but I'm too lazy to even look for a joke.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2015, 04:03:47 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nSjp41k.png)

defend the Iraq war in 2015 brehs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 05:54:57 PM

And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carly-fiorina-chinese-steal-ideas

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 26, 2015, 06:15:32 PM

US did the same to the british :yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 07:33:44 PM

Quote from: brob on May 26, 2015, 06:15:32 PM

US did the same to the british :yeshrug

China does what American't.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 08:00:02 PM

If subsidies were never meant to go to states that didn't set up their own exchanges, why did no states that didn't set up their own exchanges have their subsidies withheld?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 08:12:34 PM

Stories about modern Woodward are interesting, especially from Bernstein. Especially stuff about his sources for his books. And the way he creates dialogue. (Though I suppose not as awesome as Robert Reich's.)

The Agenda is a really fascinating book (along with The Brethren and The Choice, the former and latter being often ignored) but you can tell it comes from like six sources, half of whom were seemingly working on one piece of the budget.

Though I suppose Halprein and some of the other new kids on the block are similar. The Romney people really wanted that Christie stuff in Double Down. (Which was the worst title...)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 26, 2015, 08:14:15 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 05:54:57 PM

And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carly-fiorina-chinese-steal-ideas

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”

:what

The guys running the sweatshops maybe.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 08:15:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 05:54:57 PM

And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carly-fiorina-chinese-steal-ideas

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418841/carly-fiorina-great-communicator-joel-gehrke

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A Republican activist approached Carly Fiorina after her speech at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Saturday not just to pledge her support, but also to say that she hopes her daughter grows up to be like the longshot presidential candidate.

“My little girl is such a firecracker,” Marcela White, a native Romanian who immigrated to the United States following the collapse of the Soviet Union, says following the exchange. “She is not afraid to say what’s on her mind, she is really bold — I was really shy as a child — and Ms. Fiorina would be such a great model for my little girl.”

Fiorina’s ability to inspire such admiration speaks to her potential as a foil to Hillary Clinton. After losing badly in her only previous bid for public office, Fiorina has emerged as a master of one of the oldest political arts: the stump speech. She’s also developed a knack for turning even provocative reporters’ questions to her advantage. She will lean heavily on those newfound skills while campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early states that tend to determine if a would-be contender surges into the top tier or falls by the wayside.

The former Hewlett-Packard CEO traces her polish on the stump to an apparently unlikely source: a class she took as a student at Stanford University in which the professor required her to read one book of medieval philosophy every week and distill it into a two-page paper.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 08:16:17 PM

http://theweek.com/articles/556667/bernie-sanders-totally-legitimate-presidential-candidate-time-press-started-treating-like

I think there's going to be more stories by the press telling the press to treat Bernie Sanders as a legitimate candidate as actual stories doing it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 08:23:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 08:15:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 26, 2015, 05:54:57 PM

And also this, to go along with that Graham quote:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carly-fiorina-chinese-steal-ideas

“I’ve been doing business in China for decades, and I will tell you that yeah, the Chinese can take a test, but what they can’t do is innovate,” Carly Fiorina said. “They’re not terribly imaginative. They’re not entrepreneurial, they don’t innovate, that’s why they’re stealing our intellectual property.”

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418841/carly-fiorina-great-communicator-joel-gehrke

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A Republican activist approached Carly Fiorina after her speech at the Southern Republican Leadership Conference Saturday not just to pledge her support, but also to say that she hopes her daughter grows up to be like the longshot presidential candidate.

“My little girl is such a firecracker,” Marcela White, a native Romanian who immigrated to the United States following the collapse of the Soviet Union, says following the exchange. “She is not afraid to say what’s on her mind, she is really bold — I was really shy as a child — and Ms. Fiorina would be such a great model for my little girl.”

Fiorina’s ability to inspire such admiration speaks to her potential as a foil to Hillary Clinton. After losing badly in her only previous bid for public office, Fiorina has emerged as a master of one of the oldest political arts: the stump speech. She’s also developed a knack for turning even provocative reporters’ questions to her advantage. She will lean heavily on those newfound skills while campaigning in Iowa and New Hampshire, the two early states that tend to determine if a would-be contender surges into the top tier or falls by the wayside.

The former Hewlett-Packard CEO traces her polish on the stump to an apparently unlikely source: a class she took as a student at Stanford University in which the professor required her to read one book of medieval philosophy every week and distill it into a two-page paper.

She's 2016's Sarah Palin, but with less political experience.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2015, 08:35:33 PM

I do kinda wonder how she got sold on the Presidential campaign idea, her hook she's running on is basically that she's a female Mitt Romney, only you know, without either the business or political success.

Maybe she'll fail her way up to the Presidency too.

I like her logo though:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a6/Carly_Fiorina_presidential_campaign_logo.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 26, 2015, 11:41:27 PM

"I'm not sure why metro Atlanta's several million citizens only get 1 congressional district and the citizens of Buttfuck, GA deserve the other 14, but hey the Supreme Court said it's cool."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/27/us/supreme-court-to-weigh-meaning-of-one-person-one-vote.html?_r=0

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 27, 2015, 10:21:39 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/FEnd5lD.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 27, 2015, 05:04:19 PM

Carly Fiorina, Rick "oops" Perry possibly Jindal and Rick Santorum in the race too?
The GOP is bringing the stupid back
:lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 28, 2015, 09:54:39 AM

Rap song dedicated to Ted Cruz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWTzcOgKTLo

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 28, 2015, 09:58:57 AM

Ted Cruz is a fan of thug music confirmed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 28, 2015, 11:02:47 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 28, 2015, 09:54:39 AM

Rap song dedicated to Ted Cruz:

(http://i.imgur.com/nEnX74c.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2015, 11:16:37 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 28, 2015, 09:54:39 AM

Rap song dedicated to Ted Cruz:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWTzcOgKTLo

(http://i.imgur.com/S799vbT.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 28, 2015, 01:52:57 PM

'We are Watchmen'

yeah, I know, Cruz has Rorschach's platform but ya don't got to make so obvious.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2015, 06:02:42 PM

That "one man, one vote" case is actually kinda interesting, at least based on the links/quotes Meta posted in PoliGAF. Especially the part from the ACLU about counting prison populations. So you could theoretically have a district where the population is felony inmates plus the prison employees and their families.

I wonder if Cameron, Missouri could be in one. Maybe it already is.

Had to have a sensible chuckle at all the people who didn't grasp the difference between the U.S. Senate and state senates or that Congress isn't the only thing redistricted. Also reminded me how much GAF hates hypotheticals being used to suss out opinions unless they for some reason involve cars.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2015, 06:05:09 PM

Heh, Cameron, Missouri is actually split in two for state house districts, the prison isn't in the same district as the town.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 28, 2015, 07:52:08 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 28, 2015, 01:52:57 PM

'We are Watchmen'

yeah, I know, Cruz has Rorschach's platform but ya don't got to make so obvious.

That assumes he can read enough to know who Rorshach is beyond some guy who keeps drawing paintings of a black guy having sex with him.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: kingkitty on May 28, 2015, 08:17:23 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 27, 2015, 05:04:19 PM

Carly Fiorina, Rick "oops" Perry possibly Jindal and Rick Santorum in the race too?
The GOP is bringing the stupid back
:lawd

our lord and savior Donald Trump has scheduled a special announcement on June 16h.

good times are coming.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 28, 2015, 08:31:56 PM

Quote from: kingkitty on May 28, 2015, 08:17:23 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 27, 2015, 05:04:19 PM

Carly Fiorina, Rick "oops" Perry possibly Jindal and Rick Santorum in the race too?
The GOP is bringing the stupid back
:lawd

our lord and savior Donald Trump has scheduled a special announcement on June 16h.

good times are coming.

Dare I hope?
 :uguu

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2015, 09:28:23 PM

Nope, not going to happen. Running for president is actual grind work, something that Trump (like Palin) isn't interested in doing. It would also ruin his quite successful gag/spin that he would "of course" win the primaries and general election if he entered the race. If he actually ran and got embarrassed it would hurt his brand.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 28, 2015, 09:31:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2015, 09:28:23 PM

Nope, not going to happen. Running for president is actual grind work, something that Trump (like Palin) isn't interested in doing. It would also ruin his quite successful gag/spin that he would "of course" win the primaries and general election if he entered the race. If he actually ran and got embarrassed it would hurt his brand.

(http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20090320124656/lyricwiki/images/d/d8/Elton_John_%26_RuPaul_-_Don%27t_Go_Breaking_My_Heart.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: BrokenVerses on May 28, 2015, 09:40:15 PM

Dennis Hastert was indicted today.

Apparently the indictment specifically notes that the person he was paying off had known him for "most of their life" and that Hastert used to work as a teacher and coach.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: kingkitty on May 28, 2015, 09:46:26 PM

keep the faith Puppy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2015, 09:49:04 PM

Somebody should bump the TRUMP 2016 OT I made on GAF for me.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/243350-trump-stokes-2016-talk-schedules-major-announcement

Quote

Donald Trump will make a “major announcement” on June 16 at New York City’s Trump Tower before heading to New Hampshire the next day, according to WMUR-9 in New Hampshire.

The schedule adds to the speculation Trump will run for the White House in 2016 after flirting with a bid in 2012.

The mogul has taken a number of steps that suggest he’s more interested about being a candidate in this cycle. He launched an exploratory committee in March, hired staff in important primary states and told WMUR he's “very much inclined” to join the increasingly crowded Republican primary.

The outspoken billionaire and television star has repeatedly castigated his potential GOP rivals for being retreads and weak candidates, and has accused multiple candidates of stealing the phrase “Make America Great Again.”

That prompted him to trademark the phrase, despite the fact that it has been a popular slogan with GOP candidates since Ronald Reagan’s campaign.

Trump has also bashed President Obama for not doing enough to protect America and root out the terrorist threat. He told Fox News’s Greta van Susteren Wednesday on “On the Record” that he has a “foolproof” plan to defeat the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, but declined to elaborate.

“If I run and if I win, I don’t want the enemy to know what I am doing,” he said. "Unfortunately, I will probably have to tell at some point but there is a method of defeating them quickly and effectively and having total victory.”

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 28, 2015, 11:33:36 PM

http://www.mrctv.org/blog/sanders-men-fantsize-about-women-being-abused

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Sen. Bernie Sanders' Essay: Women 'Fantasize About Being Raped'

In a 1972 essay, presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (D-VT) opined that men fantasized about women being abused.  He also claimed that women fantasized about being gang raped. 

In an article entitled "Men-And-Women," published in an alternative newspaper called the "Vermont Freeman" Sanders shared his thoughts on male and female sexuality in ways that would cause a media firestorm if it had been penned by any current GOP candidate.  Even one with as little chance at grabbing his party's nomination as Sanders currently has.

"A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy," wrote Sanders. "A woman on her knees.  A woman tied up.  A woman abused."

...

In terms of his understanding of female sexual fantasies, Sanders provided similar insight.

"A woman enjoys intercourse with her man--as she fantasizes about being raped by 3 men simultaneously."

It is unclear where Sanders acquired his early expertise  on male and female sexual desires.

Quote

In 1971 Sanders launched his first bid for Senate in the first of four losing campaigns for US Senate and governor.  And it appears his platform hasn't changed much since then.

Sanders advocated ending the war in Vietnam,  a guaranteed minimum wage, tougher corporate regulations, and legalizing all drugs. Some other radical proposals endorsed by Sanders included an end to compulsory education and the widening of interstate highways to allow cars to more easily pull over to pick up hitchhikers.

Looks like Sanders' campaign is probably over.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 28, 2015, 11:38:04 PM

Uh. No I don't.
Uh. No women don't.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 28, 2015, 11:38:20 PM

If there's one thing that Game of Thrones has taught me, it's that into every life a little rape must fall.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 28, 2015, 11:47:13 PM

*eagerly types dailykos into url bar*

I don't see anything
:stahp

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 12:16:25 AM

Here's the full text of his essay, if you're curious to see it:

(http://i.imgur.com/ZisuleI.jpg)

:yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 12:27:30 AM

The man is bitter.

"You lied to me," he said. (She did.)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 12:31:53 AM

The man was kind of jerk, though, so he probably deserved it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 12:33:39 AM

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-HDE09yKfql8/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAACU/_8UTcNdIjUI/photo.jpg)
A man goes home and masturbates...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 12:34:10 AM

That's some embarrassing shit, but lolz at the MRCTV's summary.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 12:36:02 AM

If Lena Dunham has showed me anything is it's that if you're enough of a liberal icon you can write almost anything and be just fine.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 12:38:28 AM

"Men and women - both are losers"

-Bernie Sanders

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 12:42:07 AM

And he said, "You're full of ______."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 12:43:37 AM

"Gender roles were a mistake, they're nothing but trash."

Bernadine Sanders

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 12:44:21 AM

This seems like a good and sustainable trend:


http://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8679889/minimum-wage-housing-map

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There is no state in the union where a full-time, minimum-wage worker can afford to rent a one-bedroom apartment for less than 30 percent of his paycheck (which is a standard measure of housing affordability).

(https://cdn2.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/cWUwxes66a-J1L42EItYrLHhfTQ=/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/3734650/Screen%20Shot%202015-05-28%20at%2010.10.45%20AM.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 12:48:00 AM

Someday love will find you
Break those chains that bind you
One night will remind you
How we touched
And went our separate ways
If he ever hurts you
True love won't desert you
You know I still love you
Though we touched
And went our separate ways

~Bernie Sanders

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 12:49:27 AM

Sanders was past 30 when he wrote this, so I don't think he can really use "youth" as an excuse.

But the general point seems to be that traditional gender roles needed to be ditched, and that process was creating mistrust, confusion, and resentment.  Which, ya know, isn't actually wrong.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 12:51:45 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 12:49:27 AM

Sanders was past 30 when he wrote this, so I don't think he can really use "youth" as an excuse.

But the general point seems to be that traditional gender roles needed to be ditched, and that process was creating mistrust, confusion, and resentment.  Which, ya know, isn't actually wrong.

Yeah, but saying that people that believe in traditional gender roles fantasize about raping and being raped, yeah, not so OK.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 12:53:05 AM

Did you actually read the thing?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 12:58:44 AM

That's why you don't rely on annotations from RapGenius, Ronito.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 01:03:21 AM

I have shame  :-\

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:09:15 AM

It's not really much in the scheme of things, especially being from 1972, more of a historical oddity and goofy. Not as bad as say the Ron Paul Newsletters even if Sanders actually wrote this.

The oddest thing though is that this isn't the only Sanders centered stuff in the conservative/Republican media, they're spending way too much outsized time on painting him as a SOCIALIST...when he openly admits he is.

Example: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418926/bernie-sanderss-dark-age-economics-kevin-d-williamson

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Bernie Sanders, the Brooklyn socialist who represents Vermont in the Senate, generated a great deal of mirth on Tuesday when he wondered aloud how it is that a society with 23 kinds of deodorant and 18 kinds of sneakers has hungry children. Setting aside the fact that we must have hundreds of kinds of deodorant and thousands of choices of sneakers, Senator Sanders here communicates a double falsehood: The first falsehood is that the proliferation of choices in consumer goods is correlated with poverty, among children or anybody else, which is flatly at odds with practically all modern human experience. The reality is precisely the opposite: Poverty is worst where consumers have the fewest choices, e.g., in North Korea, the old Soviet Union, the socialist paradise that is modern Venezuela, etc. The second falsehood is that choice in consumer goods represents the loss of resources that might have gone to some other end — that if we had only one kind of sneaker, then there would be more food available for hungry children.

Lest you suspect that I am distorting the senator’s words, here they are:

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You can’t just continue growth for the sake of growth in a world in which we are struggling with climate change and all kinds of environmental problems. All right? You don’t necessarily need a choice of 23 underarm spray deodorants or of 18 different pairs of sneakers when children are hungry in this country. I don’t think the media appreciates the kind of stress that ordinary Americans are working on.

This is a very old and thoroughly discredited idea, one that dates back to Karl Marx and to the anti-capitalists who preceded him.

From my standard random sampling of Savage/Levin/etc. they all did extended segments on Sanders this week. ("THIS MAN IS ACTUALLY RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT." Savage at least should know of Stewart Alexander.) Rush was Clinton focused in the hour he got from me. Only gave Hannity a few minutes and he was harping on the 90% tax comment.

The 90% tax thing is really amusing considering how his argument (and whoever the guest guy was) was just "things were different back then" instead of pointing out that, you know, nobody actually paid 90% of their income because that tax code looked like swiss cheese. Just like the mega rich don't pay 39% or whatever it is now.

Levin only took a break tonight to defend Dennis Hastert as innocent for some reason.  :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 01:12:22 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:09:15 AM

Not as bad as say the Ron Paul Newsletters even if Sanders actually wrote this.

They are not anywhere in the same universe.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:19:54 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 01:12:22 AM

They are not anywhere in the same universe.

Untrue, the newsletters wanted to rename NYC to Rapetown. Clearly both Paul and Sanders anticipated a key plotline of Escape from New York and its accurate future under the de Blasio administration.

And where is the Clinton Foundation located? New York City.

I rest my case.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 01:28:12 AM

To me, this is how it feels most of the time when you're doing your Deflect With Humor bit:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfVOG94Sp7E

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:31:50 AM

Deflect from what? :lol

And Liz's plan worked didn't it?!?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2015, 01:36:07 AM

Oh man, I bet Bernie Sanders isn't going to win now. :'(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 01:37:45 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2015, 01:36:07 AM

Oh man, I bet Bernie Sanders isn't going to win now. :'(

Americans everywhere said  :what "who?"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 01:39:09 AM

Also, I'd expect the conservative media to give Sanders a lot of coverage.  It's the same reason we keep seeing stories about fringe politicians in state legislatures proposing bills that will never make it out of committee, what Ben Carson said recently, etc.  It's basically the same reason you said you like to read and repost comment section crap.

Sanders is going to say a lot more blunt/"extreme" things than Hillary, and people like to feel better about themselves through the contempt of others pathologize those they disagree with politically have a laff use less-filtered comments as a way of seeing the id of a political movement, which is still lurking behind the thinking of its more respectable and moderate figureheads.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 01:43:59 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 01:39:09 AM

Also, I'd expect the conservative media to give Sanders a lot of coverage.  It's the same reason we keep seeing stories about fringe politicians in state legislatures proposing bills that will never make it out of committee, what Ben Carson said recently, etc.  It's basically the same reason you said you like to read and repost comment section crap.

Sanders is going to say a lot more blunt/"extreme" things than Hillary, and people like to feel better about themselves through the contempt of others pathologize those they disagree with politically have a laff use less-filtered comments as a way of seeing the id of a political movement, which is still lurking behind the thinking of its more respectable and moderate figureheads.

If they were smart they'd ignore him, and by so doing make him look like a fringe, irrelevant, lunatic. Don't waste time on him when you could be spending it on Hillary. Why kill Sanders when Hillary will just do it for you? That's a dumb thing to do.

So of course they're going to give him a lot of coverage.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 29, 2015, 01:45:03 AM

Mods pls change my name to "sex friend when you were 13" tia.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 01:53:23 AM

They don't need to marginalize Sanders.  He won't be president either way.  To the extent that it's strategic, they want to tie him as tightly to Hillary and the Democratic party as they can.  But really I don't think it's any sort of coordinated long game, it's just outrage cycle clickbait aimed at a right wing audience.

If I'm blogging on FoxNews.com or breitbart, I'm crossing my fingers for at least eight more months of "can you believe what Bernie Sanders just said!?"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:55:06 AM

But the TPM style stuff:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGB2X9hUsAA7hD6.png:large)

And anything Ben Carson says (he is a "frontrunner for the nomination!" after all since everyone is within five points of each other) is usually tied into some larger narrative about the Republican Party or conservative movement as a whole like you note.

I haven't really seen too much trying to tie Sanders's comments to Hillary, there's an odd acknowledged wall of separation between, with the Clinton criticism more "they're corrupt" instead of "they're Marxists" which only gets a tiny bit of play, Hillary even being seen as "better" than Obama on this or that.

It seems like socialist says socialist things would be more something you as a GOP pundit ignore unless you're going to tie it to the Democrats. And to dig through old articles of this nature by a guy who's been around forever? It seems like an odd scandal to try and gin up. When things like Stephanopoulosghazi are still out there floating around yet: Politics: Rick Santorum announces doomed presidential bid in interview with pretend journalist (http://www.caintv.com/rick-santorum-announces-presid)

At least you would wait until Sanders became a "serious" candidate. Or maybe they're drinking the kool-aid and are actually trying to prop him up by pointing to all the "great" things he's saying so as to cause discord among the hard-left pro-Soviet-illegals Democrat Party.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 01:55:46 AM

I don't know. I think you could tie Sanders to Hillary but only for a little while. Even GOP voters will see that Hillary is not even close to Sanders after a few weeks.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:58:00 AM

To use humor to deflect more, I just think they should be covering this terrible ad and amazing mustache instead of not even trying with Sanders:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij4Mf2eSyG4

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 29, 2015, 01:59:47 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:09:15 AM

Quote

the old Soviet Union

I really wish corporate would bring this one back. This new, rebranded one just doesn't have the same feel to it

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 02:02:59 AM

Couldn't they also replay the 2007/2008 playbook of kinda sorta helping hype Hillary's opposition as a means of prolonging the primary/hurting her? Obviously there isn't an Obama type candidate in this election but for instance Drudge has been giving O'Malley moderately positive press over the last few weeks.

And lots of shirtless pics
:hitler

I'd imagine they love to give Sanders a platform to say "crazy" stuff, the same way a more liberal place would do so with Ben Carson. And if any of this hurts the likely nominee, the more potent the platform becomes. Of course the problem being that Bernie Sanders isn't a threat to Hillary in any way - even her moving left to flank him doesn't hurt her. Whereas Jeb Bush/Scott Walker/Marco Rubio being pulled right by Ted Cruz clearly hurts them.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 02:03:22 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on May 29, 2015, 01:59:47 AM

I really wish corporate would bring this one back. This new, rebranded one just doesn't have the same feel to it

I heard they took Stalin out of the formula. That's why it tastes different now, and the Kazakhstan stuff tastes more like it used to.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2015, 02:06:08 AM

What if Bernie Sander's rapey 1972 essay was written to distract us from Jade Helm, preventing Fox News from reporting on the HAARP-powered storms that are battering Texas?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 02:06:51 AM

benji, do you think that Walker quote wasn't awful?

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 01:55:46 AM

I don't know. I think you could tie Sanders to Hillary but only for a little while. Even GOP voters will see that Hillary is not even close to Sanders after a few weeks.

Maybe, but after over six years of him actually being president, lots of Republicans still believed Obama was plotting a military takeover of Texas.  At some point your audience is sustained just by the Crazification Factor (http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html), if nothing else.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 02:10:44 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2015, 02:06:08 AM

What if Bernie Sander's rapey 1972 essay was written to distract us from Jade Helm, preventing Fox News from reporting on the HAARP-powered storms that are battering Texas?

It certainly is suspicious that the article is listed as appearing in "mid February 1972." Why no specific date? Are these coincidences just happenstance, and is any of this connected to the Community Reinvestment Act? Hopefully Brietbart.com looks into this.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 02:19:25 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 02:06:51 AM

benji, do you think that Walker quote wasn't awful?

Not really, I think the context is worse than that statement which anecdotally seems true if Facebook/Twitter/Instagram is any indication. And I think he uses it well to in his overall explanation of why he thinks seeing ultrasounds would cut down on abortions, which is his goal being anti-abortion after all.

I mean, he's admitting it's an emotional ploy, not just "providing more information" which is the rest of his claim as to the benefits of the law.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 02:23:32 AM

Well, you can listen to the quote, and the question which it was a response to here (https://soundcloud.com/rightwingwatch/walker-require-ultrasounds-because-theyre-a-cool-thing-out-there).

Personally I find it blandly horrific.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 02:31:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 02:10:44 AM

It certainly is suspicious that the article is listed as appearing in "mid February 1972." Why no specific date? Are these coincidences just happenstance, and is any of this connected to the Community Reinvestment Act? Hopefully Brietbart.com looks into this.

Bernie Sanders left office as Mayor of Burlington in April 1989, the CRA was first extensively amendeded (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_Institutions_Reform,_Recovery,_and_Enforcement_Act_of_1989) in the summer of 1989. Bernie Sanders joined the House in 1991, three bills were passed (1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Deposit_Insurance_Corporation_Improvement_Act_of_1991), 2 (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Housing_and_Community_Development_Act_of_1992/Title_IX/Subtitle_A#Sec._909.), 3 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Housing_Enterprises_Financial_Safety_and_Soundness_Act_of_1992)) in his first term alone that made changes to CRA requirements.

In 1991, Pat Robertson released his book entitled The New World Order.

World Order is a Japanese band formed by MMA fighter Genki Sudo. will.i.am ripped off their videos for #thatPOWER.

#thatPOWER features Justin Bieber. Justin Bieber is Canadian. Part of the New World Order's plot involves a North American Union. One of their key plans was the Trans-Texas Corridor.

Rick Perry supported the Trans-Texas Corridor, Kay Bailey Hutchison attacked him in the 2010 Texas Gubernatorial primaries over this. She lost but the Texas legislature passed a bill killing the project. KBH was elected Treasurer of Texas in 1991.

She was succeeded in the Senate by Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz is also running for President. He has attacked Hillary Clinton repeatedly, but called Bernie Sanders' candidacy "honest" and "healthy."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 02:37:30 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 02:23:32 AM

Well, you can listen to the quote, and the question which it was a response to here (https://soundcloud.com/rightwingwatch/walker-require-ultrasounds-because-theyre-a-cool-thing-out-there).

Personally I find it blandly horrific.

Bland is a good descriptor, more than anything in terms of anti-abortion statements and it's more of an odd aside he goes down that somewhat gives up the game than anything like Todd Akin or Ron Paul's newsletters.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 03:10:38 AM

Yeah, the bland part is the tone, which is way milder than most grist for the outrage mill.  The horrific part is the actual content and the context, and how he blithely equates mandatory ultrasounds with voluntary ones.  Leaving out a woman's consent so completely and so easily is pretty fucking gross.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 03:26:18 AM

At this point I'm basically numb to anti-abortionists ignoring any kind of consent from a woman so it somewhat just sails by.

The one positive is that from what I can tell the Wisconsin law does not require those penetrative ultrasounds merely the external type. So at least there's that. I'd like to see a candidate (Santorum?) attack Walker for "giving in to the abortion happy left" due to that.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 29, 2015, 09:02:56 AM

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 09:08:00 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 29, 2015, 09:02:56 AM

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on May 29, 2015, 09:36:47 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/9vmYfor.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on May 29, 2015, 09:39:11 AM

The freedom of being a murderous shithead. :aah
So glad jaydub's view of what America should be has no way of ever coming true. :aah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 11:02:33 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 29, 2015, 09:17:40 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 09:08:00 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 29, 2015, 09:02:56 AM

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

One-note socialists gotta one-note. 

How about fuck all that, and we don't try to bribe folks not to be murderous shitheads?

But we're already giving corporations tons of tax breaks!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 12:36:21 PM

For some reason I just donated $50 to Planned Parenthood, along with a note that says "pleas only use this for abortions." Not sure why though.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 01:25:41 PM

One of us could afford $50 for The Witcher 3, and it wasn't you

:umad

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 03:10:09 PM

Civitas is a "good cause" now?

:hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 03:12:26 PM

Think of it this way JayDub.
The babies that are getting aborted would likely have been filthy poors that require welfare and steal from the sweat of your brow so they can live.
These people are just saving you from having to hate additional people and protect your property. A privatized business would do no different. And who are you to go against the free market?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 03:14:24 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 03:12:26 PM

Think of it this way JayDub.

He's incapable of that word- no need to when you have beliefs, dontchaknow.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 03:17:32 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 29, 2015, 08:10:21 AM

Nope, it's not "mandatory."

Semantics are the dumbest wormhole in the Internet Argument Quadrant, but I'll let myself get sucked in here.  Shit can absolutely be "mandatory" when it applies only to a subset of the population, including when that subset is defined by some voluntary choice.  Mandatory dress codes, mandatory car insurance, mandatory pet registration, blah blah blah.

You can make up your own set of moral universal constants*, but you can't go around making up meanings of words unsupported by either the dictionary definition or popular usage.  C'mon.

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Actually you can't do this either.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 03:19:04 PM

Sorry, Mandark. They're not mandatory because they're not.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 03:26:50 PM

Three things are certain in life. Death, taxes, and internet forum veterans arguing with Jay Dubya about abortion.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 29, 2015, 03:27:27 PM

All medical procedures are voluntary but for the ones performed while we are incapacitated and we voluntarily allow that to happen by not carrying durable powers of attorney on our person at all times. Ergo making some voluntary procedures more onerous than others is discrimination.

Playing ball by someone else's rules. :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 03:32:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2015, 03:26:50 PM

Three things are certain in life. Death, taxes, and internet forum veterans arguing with Jay Dubya about abortion.

I think we've moved past "arguing" and are just "mocking" now.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 03:39:01 PM

Have I told the story of JayDubya opposing DC residents getting Congressional representation?  It's a good one.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 04:02:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 03:39:01 PM

Have I told the story of JayDubya opposing DC residents getting Congressional representation?  It's a good one.

Oooh. No, please do go on.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 04:35:31 PM

So, we'd expect JD to be outraged by US citizens not having representation in Congress, cause Natural Rights.

Instead he was just weirded out that the population was so high, like the idea of people living in the city was some huge mistake.

Quote from: JayDubya

It's really awesome that the OP's argument and indeed, the standard one it seems, is to say by default that anyone not wanting D.C. (the place that's constitutionally supposed to be a city directly run by congress) to become it's own state is doing so because zOMG they hate teh black people.

It's not even supposed to have a local government.

...

Congratulations D.C., you've crammed a lot of people into a tiny area! Still doesn't change the constitution, though.

Quote from: JayDubya

I'm sure there's a more tactful way to ask such a question, so I'll try, because I'm honestly just curious and I couldn't find any good info online.

Why do so many people live in the city when the city is just supposed to be the seat of government and run directly by the Legislative? Why is the population so insanely dense, and why is it overwhelmingly African American? I honestly don't know the background story here, but I have some suspicions.

I read somewhere that for a good long while there was a pretty large slave trade in the city, maybe that has something to do with it?

Quote from: JayDubya

Maybe the problem is that the city itself is too large, because the government has grown absurdly large?

There really shouldn't be any residential areas there, though. The whole thing is just strange to me. I assumed most people commuted from wherever they lived until learning just how absurdly dense the population is.

Perhaps one valid solution would be to consider the local citizenry as citizens of Maryland or citizens of Virginia for purposes of voting for Legislative representation. That would be superior to the current situation, but would take quite a bit of wrangling.

As for your question, Mandark? I really, really don't like the idea of the Athenian style city state, especially insofar as it pertains to making our capital into a modern version. O_o

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 29, 2015, 04:37:42 PM

I like to imagine that prescriptivists just don't acknowledge the existence of human communication before the invention of the dictionary

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 04:48:00 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 03:17:32 PM

meanings of words unsupported by either the dictionary definition or popular usage.

It's like I included this just to head off that particular rhetorical detour, and he powered right through anyways.  Watcha gonna do.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 29, 2015, 04:52:59 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 29, 2015, 04:50:31 PM

The capitol is not a state.

Of course not.  A capitol is a building.  Please stop bastardizing our language.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 04:57:01 PM

Capital idea!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 05:23:44 PM

Also, all those dumb Puerto Ricans should move to real America if they want actual representation. What, they think that just because they're American citizens living in American territory that we're supposed to be impressed by that? Losers!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 29, 2015, 05:46:51 PM

The origins of Washington's demographics are pretty well documented. Antebellum it was one of the few places freed slaves could reside legally. Postbellum it was one of the few places where apartheid wasn't a de facto or de jure reality. It's basically a monument to our nation's legal and extrajudicial violent racism.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 29, 2015, 06:19:22 PM

Wyoming is a national park with a governor.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 06:28:52 PM

Quote from: Vularai on May 29, 2015, 06:19:22 PM

Wyoming is a national park with a governor.

And, of course, just as many US Senators as Texas, New York, or California.

ZOMG THE FOUNDERS WERE SO SMART

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 07:59:19 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 29, 2015, 06:28:52 PM

And, of course, just as many US Senators as Texas, New York, or California.

ZOMG THE FOUNDERS WERE SO SMART

They already explained this in their pro-Constitution pamphlets. You should have written an opposing series of them under a pseudonym if you didn't like it.

Quote from: JayDubya on May 29, 2015, 04:14:09 PM

If the law required flying to Saturn and back by flapping one's arms, it would still be voluntary and wholly elective to start flapping. 

The state imposing unachievable conditions on any resolution of a dispute between third parties...or really any activity...is effectively a ban.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 09:08:00 AM

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

If we allow birth control to be over the counter, we'll have an epidemic of teenage pregnancies because we as a society are saying that teenage sex is allowed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 29, 2015, 08:47:21 PM

Just read that NY Mag article GS posted. I had no idea that SCOTUS had gone from hearing dictionary.com arguments to fanfiction.net arguments. Ruinous powers bless this laughable hole.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on May 29, 2015, 09:41:35 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 29, 2015, 09:17:40 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 09:08:00 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on May 29, 2015, 09:02:56 AM

Let us institute free national day care and expand food stamps so that abortion doesn't have a financial incentive

Yeah, and maybe we could pass a bill that helps women get easier access to medication that prevents the pregnancy in the first place oh wait

One-note socialists gotta one-note. 

How about fuck all that, and we don't try to bribe folks not to be murderous shitheads?

Nice multi-note response

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 29, 2015, 11:51:33 PM

So, some more information has come out about what's going on with Denny Hastert and the basics of it are that he liked to diddle high school boys back in the day:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/dennis-hastert-sexual-misconduct-report

Well, I'd like to say that I'm surprised by that, but it's really difficult to muster up that kind of response. Of note: Hastert was Speaker during, and caught flack for his slow response to, Rep. Foley doing essentially the same thing, except with Congressional pages.

And to tie the bow on it, WaPo brings the history lesson:

Quote

If I understand the history correctly, in the late 1990s, the President was impeached for lying about a sexual affair by a House of Representatives led by a man who was also then hiding a sexual affair, who was supposed to be replaced by another Congressman who stepped down when forced to reveal that he too was having a sexual affair, which led to the election of a new Speaker of the House who now has been indicted for lying about payments covering up his sexual contact with a boy.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 01:23:40 AM

Typical hypocritical lieberal move, out there constantly undermining marriage and the family (as outlined in the Communist Manifesto) and pushing the idea that it's alright to be gay then turning around and complaining when the consequences of those attacks happens.

Ginning up a fake scandal where they accuse the GOP of committing a "crime" that they constantly demand be legal and forced upon pizza places and bakeries.

All to distract from the exposure of Bernie Sanders' libertarian comments in favor of legalizing rape and slavery.

Of course, there's a lot of moving parts to this whole thing as Dennis Hastert was a big pusher of NAFTA.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 30, 2015, 01:33:02 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 01:26:24 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 29, 2015, 03:12:26 PM

Think of it this way JayDub.
The babies that are getting aborted would likely have been filthy poors that require welfare and steal from the sweat of your brow so they can live.
These people are just saving you from having to hate additional people and protect your property. A privatized business would do no different. And who are you to go against the free market?

If that's the concern, why not just wait until they become filthy poor parasites before we slaughter them en masse?  That'd be a bit more humane since at least you wouldn't kill someone who would turn out to be someone worthwhile by mistake.

 :smug

But no poors are ever worthwhile. They're just parasites. Ticks on the ass of society.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 30, 2015, 01:39:11 AM

No they don't.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2015, 09:21:38 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 01:24:01 AM

So we're pretending here that when a leftist says "access" he doesn't just mean the taxpayers just buying a product or service for someone?

But we know full well that even when it's through private insurance paid for by the woman with her own money, that Republicans still want to be able to refuse it on the basis of "religious freedom."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 30, 2015, 11:04:16 AM

Fortunately, adoption DOES sound like a panacea to all of these issues. It's not like there's already an existing foster system of unwanted children living in shitty conditions across the country or anything.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on May 30, 2015, 11:23:15 AM

The true enemy is wanton fornication.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 11:30:15 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 01:24:01 AM

So we're pretending here that when a leftist says "access" he doesn't just mean the taxpayers just buying a product or service for someone?

Well, sure, but I think Rumbler's statement was broad enough that things we can all agree on like fewer hurdles to currently restricted drugs in general can fit in there.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 30, 2015, 01:10:25 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 11:21:25 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 30, 2015, 11:04:16 AM

Fortunately, adoption DOES sound like a panacea to all of these issues. It's not like there's already an existing foster system of unwanted children living in shitty conditions across the country or anything.

Yeah, you're right, Triumph - we should just kill all those little fuckers - it's for their own good.

Kill them. Starve them due to not being able to buy food or watch them slowly wither away because no healthcare. The only difference is timing. Be efficient. That's the free market way

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 30, 2015, 01:14:37 PM

I feel like filthy poor isn't being used ironically itt atm. Can you at least hide behind atypical words like guttersnipe?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 02:01:23 PM

Why are we even talking about the poor, filthy or not? They're poor! They probably don't even own their own mutual fund.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 02:05:43 PM

I mean, it's not like they're going to be allowed to vote or anything.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 02:56:27 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 30, 2015, 02:51:07 PM

But look at the ROI the taxpayers get. You cut abortions, and you decrease the number of future welfare parasites. It's a no-brainer.

Hey, those future welfare parasites need to pay for my Social Security and Medicare. They owe me!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:11:03 PM

benj, do you even read what you write anymore?

At least half your posts read like you're role-playing as a fired up Jack McCoy, barking at Adam Schiff that no, we won't give this scumbag a plea bargain.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 03:12:00 PM

wat

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:19:38 PM

Tell me they don't.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 30, 2015, 03:23:08 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:11:03 PM

benj, do you even read what you write anymore?

At least half your posts read like you're role-playing as a fired up Jack McCoy, barking at Adam Schiff that no, we won't give this scumbag a plea bargain.

Imo he's slipped to Michael Moriarty being drunk on set.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 03:33:32 PM

I don't understand these Law and Order analogies so gun me down like Max Greevey.

Or fire me because I'm a lesbian.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:35:17 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 03:33:06 PM

You wanting to fuck, and you wanting to reduce the risk of procreation create no obligation on anyone else to help you make that happen.

You wanting to believe in Natural Rights doesn't make them real.   :yeshrug

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 03:36:18 PM

libertarian satire
:lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:44:31 PM

Ah, so rights are bestowed on people by the government.  Good to know!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 03:46:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLlKojPit0o

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PRESIDENT OBAMA: Hi, everybody. As President and Commander in Chief, my greatest responsibility is the safety of the American people. And in our fight against terrorists, we need to use every effective tool at our disposal -- both to defend our security and to protect the freedoms and civil liberties enshrined in our Constitution.

But tomorrow -- Sunday, at midnight -- some important tools we use against terrorists will expire. That’s because Congress has not renewed them, and because legislation that would -- the USA Freedom Act -- is stuck in the Senate. I want to be very clear about what this means.

Today, when investigating terrorist networks, our national security professionals can seek a court order to obtain certain business records. Our law enforcement professionals can seek a roving wiretap to keep up with terrorists when they switch cell phones. We can seek a wiretap on so-called lone wolves -- suspected terrorists who may not be directly tied to a terrorist group. These tools are not controversial. Since 9/11, they have been renewed numerous times. FBI Director James Comey says they are “essential” and that losing them would “severely” impact terrorism investigations. But if Congress doesn’t act by tomorrow at midnight, these tools go away as well.

The USA Freedom Act also accomplishes something I called for a year and a half ago: it ends the bulk metadata program -- the bulk collection of phone records -- as it currently exists and puts in place new reforms. The government will no longer hold these records; telephone providers will. The Act also includes other changes to our surveillance laws -- including more transparency -- to help build confidence among the American people that your privacy and civil liberties are being protected. But if Congress doesn’t act by midnight tomorrow, these reforms will be in jeopardy, too.

It doesn’t have to be this way. The USA Freedom Act reflects ideas from privacy advocates, our private sector partners and our national security experts. It already passed the House of Representatives with overwhelming bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats. A majority of the Senate -- Republicans and Democrats -- have voted to move it forward.

So what’s the problem? A small group of senators is standing in the way. And, unfortunately, some folks are trying to use this debate to score political points. But this shouldn’t and can't be about politics. This is a matter of national security. Terrorists like al Qaeda and ISIL aren’t suddenly going to stop plotting against us at midnight tomorrow. And we shouldn’t surrender the tools that help keep us safe. It would be irresponsible. It would be reckless. And we shouldn’t allow it to happen.

So today, I’m calling on Americans to join me in speaking with one voice to the Senate. Put the politics aside. Put our national security first. Pass the USA Freedom Act -- now. And let’s protect the security and civil liberties of every American. Thanks very much.

He is really looking at that teleprompter and its distracting me from what I need to say when I call Debbie Stabenow to get her to protect my civil liberties by passing the Freedom Act. They couldn't put it nearer the camera?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:55:33 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 03:51:31 PM

The only thing I'm left wondering is if you're pro-abortion because you're still religiously Jewish and you believe that literal "breath of life" stupidity or if it's just because you somehow managed to avoid ever taking biology.  It's ignorance either way, but I've encountered so many religious nutjob pro-aborts lately, it makes me wonder.

I'm just gonna let that sit there and marinate for a while.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 30, 2015, 04:00:21 PM

well this took a turn...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 04:02:00 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 03:55:33 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 03:51:31 PM

The only thing I'm left wondering is if you're pro-abortion because you're still religiously Jewish and you believe that literal "breath of life" stupidity or if it's just because you somehow managed to avoid ever taking biology.  It's ignorance either way, but I've encountered so many religious nutjob pro-aborts lately, it makes me wonder.

I'm just gonna let that sit there and marinate for a while.

you mean Soy Vay?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 04:02:50 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 04:02:13 PM

you folks

hm

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 30, 2015, 04:03:54 PM

that projection :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2015, 04:10:45 PM

Honestly, this thread could use more thinly veiled racism.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 04:12:08 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on May 30, 2015, 04:03:54 PM

that projection :whew

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/93/Law_Order_Season_One_cast.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 04:17:58 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 04:13:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2015, 04:10:45 PM

Honestly, this thread could use more thinly veiled racism.

Well Triumph did mention Planned Parenthood.  Although that veil is so thin as to be essentially non-existent.

A lesser black poster would be pulled into the discussion by this. Nope.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 30, 2015, 04:26:39 PM

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-abortion-law-now-among-worlds-most-liberal/

:rejoice I'm coming Bibi.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on May 30, 2015, 04:30:02 PM

To all past and future JayDubya posts:

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/55d170c898b240783dc332124bbd197d/tumblr_inline_n4foafra0C1sew80h.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is, legitimately and sincerely, the tl;dr of what I'd write if I were younger and still had it in me.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 04:52:37 PM

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"Abortion has become an overt means of child sacrifice which Jews have instituted under their de facto law. A more covert means of (Christian) child sacrifice has been by their infamous 'ritual murders, which Jews have been accused through the ages.' In this practice 'the blood of the sacrificed gentile (Christian Child) is mixed with flour to make the unleavened bread eaten at Passover.'" (The Illustrated Atlas of Jewish Civilization, Ed. Martin Gilbert, MacMillan Pub. Co., 1990, p. 125)

I'm just gonna let that sit there and marinate for a while.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 30, 2015, 05:14:48 PM

Khorne Khubz :mouf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2015, 07:31:39 PM

Guess Lincoln Chafee actually is going to run, June 3rd announcement.

Lindsey Graham announces tomorrow. (Sunday, June 1st) I wonder which Sunday talk show he picked.

But most importantly. Martin O'Malley's campaign logo:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/O%27Malley_for_President_2016_Logo.png/250px-O%27Malley_for_President_2016_Logo.png)

And his teaser:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se-H0tiKNf8

And a decent twitter jab at Sarah Palin:
https://twitter.com/GovernorOMalley/status/604759558746214400

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 09:09:07 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 04:36:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 30, 2015, 04:17:58 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 30, 2015, 04:13:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2015, 04:10:45 PM

Honestly, this thread could use more thinly veiled racism.

Well Triumph did mention Planned Parenthood.  Although that veil is so thin as to be essentially non-existent.

A lesser black poster would be pulled into the discussion by this. Nope.

If there is a way to pull you into a discussion without a meaty cock pic, I am unware of it.   :smug

You could pull it off with other subjects. Specifically moderate dps builds with high armor/block value.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Broseidon on May 31, 2015, 11:48:42 AM

i lust for fetus death

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on May 31, 2015, 03:02:53 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/vice-presidents-son-dies-of-brain-cancer (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/vice-presidents-son-dies-of-brain-cancer)

I know people like to goof on ol' Joe, but damnit, he's one of the good ones. Been through so much  :'(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 31, 2015, 03:43:11 PM

:fbm

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 31, 2015, 05:18:25 PM

Last time a libertopian cared about anyone that person was a fetus.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 07:05:08 PM

Iowa Republicans asked if they would "never support the person for President." ("Not sure")

Donald Trump - 58%     (8%)
Chris Christie - 45%     (13%)
Lindsey Graham - 43%     (25%)
George Pataki - 41%     (38%)
Jeb Bush - 35%     (10%)
Rand Paul - 30%     (10%)
John Kasich - 28%     (40%)
Rick Perry - 27%     (10%)
Carly Fiorina - 27%     (30%)
Rick Santorum - 26%     (11%)
Bobby Jindal - 25%     (25%)
Mike Huckabee - 24%     (9%)
Ted Cruz - 21%     (18%)
Marco Rubio - 18%     (15%)
Ben Carson - 18%     (20%)
Scott Walker - 15%     (17%)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 08:10:42 PM

More importantly: http://www.isidewith.com/poll/965629/962379
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_abortion

Constitution Party has amusing results.

EDIT: lol, they're still counting GAF results: http://www.isidewith.com/poll/965629/9

EDIT2: http://www.isidewith.com/poll/965576/9
http://www.isidewith.com/poll/356055141/9
gross

http://www.isidewith.com/poll/965622/9
http://www.isidewith.com/poll/410509290/9

EDIT3: http://www.isidewith.com/poll/49861415/962379
GROSSER

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 08:33:13 PM

If we play No True Libertarian maybe.

Even Ruwart's "official" platform stance doesn't advocate an open bidding process selling the land off but instead turning their management over to organizations like the Audubon Society.

And Texas isn't a monolith society even in polling that isn't self-selected:
http://www.gqrr.com/articles/2013/06/20/texas-voters-oppose-governor-perry-s-omnibus-abortion-bill/

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A majority of Texans oppose the legislation currently being considered by the legislature that imposes restrictions on abortion and 80 percent do not want abortion to be raised during the special session of the legislature called at the end of May by Governor Rick Perry.

Of registered voters, 63 percent say the state has enough restrictions on abortion and 71 percent thinking that the Governor and legislature should be more focused on the economy and jobs.

...

Among those surveyed, 49 percent self-identify as Republicans and 37 percent identify as Democrats; ideologically, 46 percent say they are conservative, 33 percent identify as moderates, and 15 percent are liberal.

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b) The non-aggression principle is the central tenet of libertarianism.

Which is why the dispute among libertarians, some people consider property violations like trespassing to be aggression.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 10:05:00 PM

Rand Paul to kill us all at midnight:

Quote from: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/243575-senate-advances-nsa-reform-but-program-to-lapse-at-midnight

The Senate advanced legislation 77-17 to reform the National Security Agency on Sunday, but parts of the Patriot Act will nonetheless lapse for a few days amid opposition from Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.).

The legislation, called the USA Freedom Act, will not reach President Obama’s desk until after the three measures expire at midnight, meaning that the provisions will expire until the bill is passed by the Senate and signed by Obama later this week.

“The Patriot Act will expire tonight,” Paul declared triumphantly from the Senate floor during a rare Sunday evening vote. “It will only be temporary. They will ultimately get their way.”

Obama has supported the measure and had repeatedly urged lawmakers to support it in the days leading up to Sunday’s deadline. The bill needed 60 votes in order to advance.

A failed gambit by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) opened the door to Paul’s use of procedural tactics to delay consideration of the bill.

Paul had made the spying programs unearthed by former government contractor Edward Snowden a central part of his presidential candidacy and vowed to force the expiration of the Patriot Act heading into the weekend.

Paul argues the USA Freedom Act — which was approved by the House 338-88 earlier in May — does not go far enough to rein in spying programs that he and his allies argue are unconstitutional.

“Are we going to so blithely give up our freedom? Are we going to so blindly go along and take it?” Paul said in heated remarks on the Senate floor before the vote.

“I’m not going to take it anymore,” he declared, as his voice rose to a shout. “I don’t think the American people are going to take it anymore.”

Paul — who had roughly two dozen supporters crowding the gallery of the Senate in red “Stand with Rand” t-shirts — appeared to declare victory after the vote.

“We didn't have 60 votes before to end the bulk collection,” he told reporters after emerging from the chamber. “By slowing the process down, talking about the Patriot Act, we now will end bulk collection of records by the government.”

Jeb Bush is on the right side of history:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/jeb-bush-rand-paul-wrong-ending-surveillance-laws-31420096

"What I admire most about my brother was he kept us safe," Jeb Bush said at a Tennessee Republican Party fundraiser. "And I believe people will respect him for a long time because of that."

...

Bush told reporters before the event that he does not consider the collection of domestic phone metadata a violation of civil rights.

"I respect Senator Paul on this, but I think he's wrong as it relates to the conversation that your two great senators are focused on" starting Sunday, he said.

"I know what will happen if there is an attack on our country," he said. "A lot of people say where were you?"

...

Bush agreed, saying "the Patriot Act has kept us safe, plain and simple."

"The metadata program has kept us safe, plain and simple," he said. "There's been no violation of civil liberties."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 31, 2015, 10:15:22 PM

USA Freedom Act :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2015, 10:19:15 PM

It's like Rand Paul didn't even listen to the President:

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These tools are not controversial. Since 9/11, they have been renewed numerous times. FBI Director James Comey says they are “essential” and that losing them would “severely” impact terrorism investigations. But if Congress doesn’t act by tomorrow at midnight, these tools go away as well.

The USA Freedom Act also accomplishes something I called for a year and a half ago: it ends the bulk metadata program -- the bulk collection of phone records -- as it currently exists and puts in place new reforms. The government will no longer hold these records; telephone providers will. The Act also includes other changes to our surveillance laws -- including more transparency -- to help build confidence among the American people that your privacy and civil liberties are being protected. But if Congress doesn’t act by midnight tomorrow, these reforms will be in jeopardy, too.

It doesn’t have to be this way. The USA Freedom Act reflects ideas from privacy advocates, our private sector partners and our national security experts. It already passed the House of Representatives with overwhelming bipartisan support -- Republicans and Democrats. A majority of the Senate -- Republicans and Democrats -- have voted to move it forward.

So what’s the problem? A small group of senators is standing in the way. And, unfortunately, some folks are trying to use this debate to score political points. But this shouldn’t and can't be about politics. This is a matter of national security. Terrorists like al Qaeda and ISIL aren’t suddenly going to stop plotting against us at midnight tomorrow. And we shouldn’t surrender the tools that help keep us safe. It would be irresponsible. It would be reckless. And we shouldn’t allow it to happen.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on May 31, 2015, 10:34:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/tFNiVdT.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 31, 2015, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 31, 2015, 07:53:10 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 31, 2015, 05:18:25 PM

Last time a libertopian cared about anyone that person was a fetus.

It's sad how when presumably otherwise intelligent people like yourself start regurgitating leftist talking points that you'd realize were absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged if you'd just apply a few seconds of rational thought.

Whichever your standard for "care," I "care" the same.

Hey man, I'm not the one advocating for bringing babies into the world just so I can starve them.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 01, 2015, 12:09:46 AM

Some are killed by aggression and others by indifference.
The semantics might matter to some. Not so much for the one being killed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 01, 2015, 12:12:43 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on May 31, 2015, 10:51:58 PM

No robot on the team?  The terrorists have already won.

:dead I love your RPG jokes.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 01, 2015, 12:33:42 AM

I think a lot of people get scared off by the halved item durability and miss the whole "never have to worry about item break thanks to inns" thing. SaGa is super RTFM so I can't :comeon too much.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Oblivion on June 01, 2015, 02:37:07 AM

Jaydubya, just curious, where do you stand on voter ID?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Oblivion on June 01, 2015, 02:43:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2015, 01:09:15 AM

The 90% tax thing is really amusing considering how his argument (and whoever the guest guy was) was just "things were different back then" instead of pointing out that, you know, nobody actually paid 90% of their income because that tax code looked like swiss cheese. Just like the mega rich don't pay 39% or whatever it is now.

Got a link to this by chance?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 01, 2015, 03:48:08 AM

Quote from: Vularai on May 31, 2015, 10:34:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/tFNiVdT.png)

is the joke that they misspelled 'Terrorist'.

actually, I'm all for as many JRPG references possible in my political discussions please. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jV_11_q6Hc)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 01, 2015, 03:51:32 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 01, 2015, 03:48:08 AM

is the joke that they misspelled 'Terrorist'.

(http://i.imgur.com/UZ0yYVs.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 04:30:08 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 01, 2015, 03:48:08 AM

is the joke that they misspelled 'Terrorist'.

string isn't long enough to fit, gotta work with what u got brehs

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 06:05:13 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 01, 2015, 02:43:46 AM

Got a link to this by chance?

(http://i.imgur.com/WMvx4If.png) (http://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1006&context=law_pubs)

2011 (http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data):
>1.7 mill: 22.8%
>389,000: 23.5%
>168,000: 20.9%
120,000-168,000: 12.8%
70,500-120,000: 9.7%
34,800-70,500: 7.0%

$20,000 (1953) = $168,493 (2011)
$500,000 (1953) = $4,212,341 (2011)
$1,000,000 (1953) = $8,424,682 (2011)

So if you made $1,000,000 in real dollars over those "60" years. Your marginal rate has gone from 90% to 40%. Yet you've gone from paying only 46% to 24%.

EDIT: Some helpful and friendly jerk already made a graph for this apparently:
(http://i.imgur.com/hsRUkbY.png)

EDIT2: Was looking for "bottom" quintiles or something in a similar chart, will have to settle for bottom 90% :lol
(http://i.imgur.com/D1WU0PQ.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Oblivion on June 01, 2015, 06:53:37 AM

No, no, no. I meant a link for Sean Hannity's radio show where you heard him say that. :P

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 08:22:36 AM

Official Transcript:

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GUEST: Bernie Sanders wants to tax everyone at 90%.

HANNITY: YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN STOP SOCIALISM STOP HILLARY EXPRESS SOCIALISMGHAZI

GUEST: These Democrats just think you can tax job creators at any rate and they'll pay it.

HANNITY: REAGAN DEFEATED SOCIALISM, OBAMAGHAZI WANTS TO BRING IT BACK, CLINTON E-MAILS, SOCIALISM DEBUNKED TONIGHT ON HANNITY TEN EASTERN

GUEST: Things were different back then, women knew their place was in the home, people loved America instead of trying to tear her down. Job creators could pay those taxes because Great Society liberalism hadn't stamped its boot on their faces yet. Hadn't plundered the job creators to give cadillacs driven by lobsters to welfare immigrants.

HANNITY: SOCIALISM BAD, RUTH CHRIS STEAK HOUSE GOOD, YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN

RUTH CHRIS STEAK HOUSE

YOU'RE A GREAT AMERICAN

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 09:11:51 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 01, 2015, 08:58:56 AM

No one could possibly ever make it to some office somewhere via ... Uber or any of another dozen cheap and convenient ways

Well, not if certain monopolies get their way...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 01, 2015, 09:59:05 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on June 01, 2015, 08:58:56 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on June 01, 2015, 02:37:07 AM

Jaydubya, just curious, where do you stand on voter ID?

Oh it's obviously extremely racist and totally unreasonable, just like it's absolutely impossible and completely racist against me to require me to go a few miles and get my driver's license and have me keep it in my wallet when I leave my house.  No one could possibly ever make it to some office somewhere via bus or Uber or any of another dozen cheap and convenient ways on the other 364 days of the year to get this thing we offer for free (which we clearly just HAVE to do because otherwise it's exactly the same as a "poll tax," ayup).



Non-snark answer - my state requires it, I show my driver's license when I go vote, takes 5 seconds, doesn't bother me one bit.  Not a big deal in any way.

You do realize that DMVs are not open 365 days a year in many states right? And they selectively shut down DMVs or reduce their hours in areas where poor people live?

Not sure if this is a poor area, selected it at random.

http://local.dmv.org/pennsylvania/bradford-county/monroeton/route-220-bypass-3/dmv-office-locations.php

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DMV Office Hours
Daily Hours:
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
8:30am  -4:15pm
8:30am  -4:15pm
8:30am  -4:15pm

http://local.dmv.org/pennsylvania/bradford-county/monroeton/route-220-bypass/dmv-office-locations.php

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Hours
Daily Hours:
Thursday
8:30am  -3:00pm


Please Note:
We do our best to keep the DMV hours and days of operation up to date. These can change frequently, We suggest confirming with your local office before your visit.

I wonder how many thousands of voters they can get through from 8:30-3:00 on Thursdays. Assuming you have all your paperwork in order of course and you have paid for your birth certificate if you lost it at some point. And assuming there is public bus service straight to the DMV office. I know that you have great confidence in the speed of service at bureaucratic government institutions and in well-funded public transportation so that all works out.




Also you think it's ok for it to be mandatory that you take photo ID with you whenever you leave your house??

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 10:23:29 AM

https://www.dot4.state.pa.us/locator/AmsServlet.jsp#top?20150601101506646=20150601101506646
lol, it's like they want you to know they hate you just by telling you those hours and being closed so much

Picked two in Michigan by zooming all the way out on the map (http://services.sos.state.mi.us/servicelocator/) and closing my eyes then clicking randomly:

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Hours:   
M,T,Th,F 9AM - 5PM
Wed 9AM - 7PM

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Hours:   
M,T,Th,F 9AM - 5PM
Wed 11AM - 7PM

Most of them statewide have these hours:

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9 a.m. to 5 p.m. Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Friday
11 a.m. to 7 p.m. Wednesdays, except in city buildings which are open 9 a.m. to 5 p.m.
PLUS offices and SUPER!Centers provide expanded Wednesday hours from 9 a.m. to 7 p.m.
SUPER!Centers also offer Saturday hours from 9 a.m. to noon. (except on certain holidays)
Smaller offices may close for a lunch hour. All offices are closed on state holidays.

Plus they've got kiosks and crap, and stuff you can do online now.

 :bow Michigan Secretary of State :bow2

 :bow 20 years of GOP women in charge :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 11:14:28 AM

https://lindseygraham.com/

 :-*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 11:16:12 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/lindsey-graham-2016-presidential-election-announcing-bid-118489.html

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He’s spent a third of his life in Congress and is a fixture on the Sunday morning news show circuit, making nearly 70 appearances in the last five years.

But when he announces his presidential bid Monday here in the tiny town where he grew up, Lindsey Graham will attempt to knock down the idea that he’s a creature of Washington and instead will tell a personal story that’s largely been overlooked over the course of his two decades in the House and Senate.

It’s the tale of a son of pool hall owners, who grew up near-impoverished in the back room of his parents’ bar. As a college student he raised, and eventually adopted, his little sister after their parents died, before going on to have a career as an Air Force lawyer and then rising to become South Carolina’s senior senator.

“Our parents were small business owners here in the town of Central,” said Graham’s sister, Darline Graham Nordone, who emerged from playing pool in her childhood home for a brief interview before her brother’s walk-through Sunday night, offering a glimpse at some of his likely themes. “As any other small business owners, they understood the long hard hours that go into running a small business, and just the strong work ethic that we got from that and the values…It’s just amazing that we come from this and went on to bigger and better things, but our roots are here.”

The humble-origins narrative is a staple of presidential campaigning, but it’s a fairly new device for Graham, who has only started to employ it in recent years. It wasn’t until his 2014 Senate race, when he squared off with six primary challengers, that he slowly and sometimes reluctantly began to use that part of his biography in part to fight back against criticism that he had been in Washington too long.

Now, as a long-shot presidential candidate, Graham will once again tell that story in this sleepy speck of a town located about 45 minutes from Greenville, where Main Street consists of a thrift shop, a hair salon, and a restaurant or two — including the remnants of the Graham family’s bar.

“I think it’s a good idea for people to realize, he’s certainly a self-educated, self-made guy,” said Hank Scott, a major donor who is very close to Graham. “He worked hard to get where he is, he’s not a person that grew up with privilege, like, say, [Jeb] Bush.”

David Woodard, an operative and professor who managed Graham’s first two House races in the 1990s, said he never heard Graham talk about his family’s troubles, even when those issues were fresher for him.
“Did he talk about it? No, he never talked about it,” Woodard said, adding later, “He’s kind of a self-made story, but he didn’t talk about it.”

During his re-election last year, after some reluctance about getting too personal, Graham allowed his team to run an ad featuring his sister, Darline, who grew emotional in the spot when she reflected on how Graham helped raise her.

“It was hard when we lost my mom and my dad,” she said in the ad. “Lindsey assured me that he was going to take care of me, he was going to be there for me. He never let me down. Never. I don’t see how he did it, to take on the responsibility of raising a little sister. That came from within for Lindsey.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 11:23:07 AM

Quote from: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/gop-senators-tear-into-paul-118475.html

Behind closed doors in the Senate’s Strom Thurmond Room, Republican senators lashed out at the junior Kentucky Republican’s defiant stance to force the expiration of key sections of the PATRIOT Act, a law virtually all of them support. Indiana Sen. Dan Coats’ criticism was perhaps the most biting: He accused the senator of “lying” about the matter in order to raise money for his presidential campaign, according to three people who attended the meeting.

The message may have gotten through to Paul except for one thing: The libertarian-minded senator skipped the hour-long meeting. That only infuriated his colleagues more.

“Anything that goes against anything he believes, he never comes,” Coats said in an interview. “It’s always helpful if you’re in there working to have your position understood, and we all learn a lot and we all try to come to a much better understanding of what we’re trying to do.”

“He needed to be there,” said Sen. Dean Heller (R-Nev.). “He really needed to be there.”

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) noted that Paul has missed “a number of meetings” Republicans have held on the PATRIOT Act in recent weeks. He contended there was an obvious political reason for Paul’s stance, pointing out how his colleague was tweeting supporters taking “selfies” of themselves next to Paul speaking on TV.

“I know what this is about — I think it’s very clear – this is, to some degree, a fundraising exercise,” McCain said Sunday. “He obviously has a higher priority for his fundraising and political ambitions than for the security of the nation.”

...

After skipping the GOP meeting, Paul appeared for a tense floor debate between him and his colleagues, including the man who has endorsed him for president: Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a fellow Kentuckian. The GOP leader was incensed at Paul’s refusal to allow a two-week renewal of far-less controversial provisions of the PATRIOT Act: The use of roving wiretaps for terrorism suspects that change phone numbers quickly and “lone wolf” provisions that allow tracking of suspects who are not affiliated with known terrorist groups.

Just as McConnell attempted to pass a short-term extension, Paul launched into his own impassioned speech— only to be shouted down by his colleagues.

“One of the promises that was given when the PATRIOT Act was originally passed was that in exchange for allowing a less than constitutional standard, we would only use the actions against …” Paul said before he was interrupted by Sen. Roger Wicker (R-Miss.), who pounded his desk while presiding over the Senate.

“Is there objection?” Wicker asked as Paul tried to continue on. A number of Republican senators began yelling over Paul to restore order in the chamber and prevent another lengthy speech.

“Regular order!” shouted Sens. John Barrasso (R-Wyo.) and Tom Cotton (R-Ark.), among others.

“I object,” Paul responded. That prompted McConnell to launch his own speech. At times glaring at Paul, the Senate leader blasted what he called “a campaign of demagoguery and disinformation launched in the wake of unlawful actions of Edward Snowden, who was last seen in Russia.” Paul sat at his desk quietly, holding his glasses in his hand.

...

“I don’t stand with Rand on this,” said Sen. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.). “I want to make sure the ability to monitor terrorists continues uninterrupted.”

“I think he’s nestled in with a very large bunch of very radical people – from the left to the right,” said Utah Sen. Orrin Hatch, the president pro tempore. “I don’t know if he feels comfortable being with all those leftists who hate the PATRIOT Act. But he has a right to do what he’s doing.”

...

Rubio called the expiration of the PATRIOT Act’s provisions the result of “political posturing.”

“There are other ways this could have been done,” said Sen. Jeff Flake (R-Ariz.).

One way Paul could have handled the matter would have been to simply object to short-term extensions of current law, rather than giving a nearly 11-hour floor speech on the floor before the Memorial Day recess, Heller said.

“It accomplished just the same, but he couldn’t raise money objecting,” Heller said. “He could only raise money filibustering.”

:umad :umad :umad

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 11:44:06 AM

Quote from: Vularai on May 31, 2015, 10:15:22 PM

USA Freedom Act :lol

Please use the full title: Uniting and Strengthening America by Fulfilling Rights and Ending Eavesdropping, Dragnet-collection, and Online Monitoring Act

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 01, 2015, 01:48:48 PM

A&F lost its discrimination case in front of SCOTUS. :aah

Muslims getting legally protected religious freedom. :aah

AmeriKKKa am cry. :aah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2015, 02:04:18 PM

Obviously the Patriot Act is trash and democrats are fools for supporting it now. But aren't journalists being lazy as fuck her and playing into the spin of the White House and Rand Paul? The Patriot Act itself isn't expiring. Like, a couple portions of it are. And the law that replaces it has been rewritten to be quite shitty.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/04/28/usa-f-redux-session-identifying-information-that-is-not-call-detail-records/

I'm not criticizing Paul, who I think is genuine about not liking data collection. However this is far from a win for anyone on the right (as in good) side of this issue.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 01, 2015, 06:30:34 PM

shari'a law in full effect, my mohammedian pbuh friends  :lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2015, 08:04:50 PM

My parents just set me up with a couple of underage wives and an oil-money trust fund, guys. :rock

:bow Muhammed pbuh :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2015, 08:05:18 PM

Thanks, dhimmicrats!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 01, 2015, 08:31:53 PM

I traded in my BH bicycle for a Saracen one.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Yes, there's a bicycle manufacturer in the year After Hijra 1436 named Saracen. Yes, it's British.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2015, 08:38:52 PM

Quote from: Vularai on June 01, 2015, 01:48:48 PM

A&F lost its discrimination case in front of SCOTUS. :aah

Muslims getting legally protected religious freedom. :aah

AmeriKKKa am cry. :aah

how come 80% of my earliest accounting classes had us do fake income statements, trial balances, etc for A&F.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 09:19:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2015, 02:04:18 PM

Obviously the Patriot Act is trash and democrats are fools for supporting it now. But aren't journalists being lazy as fuck her and playing into the spin of the White House and Rand Paul? The Patriot Act itself isn't expiring. Like, a couple portions of it are. And the law that replaces it has been rewritten to be quite shitty.
https://www.emptywheel.net/2015/04/28/usa-f-redux-session-identifying-information-that-is-not-call-detail-records/

I'm not criticizing Paul, who I think is genuine about not liking data collection. However this is far from a win for anyone on the right (as in good) side of this issue.

It's a fair criticism of Paul. Paul himself said he doesn't expect to stop this or any other legislation (I mean the vote to cut off debate was 77-17 or something, the bill will probably pass like with like 90+ votes), all he can really do is hold it up over the weekend pissing off people like McCain and try to get attention about the issues by the non-filibuster filibusters.

If he benefits...so be it.  :teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2015, 09:21:55 PM

Iowa Democrats are far less likely to write off their candidates for good already (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39503.msg2043102#msg2043102), % saying "would never support the person for President."  ("Not sure.")

Bernie Sanders - 18%     (30%)
Joe Biden - 15%     (10%)
Martin O'Malley - 13%     (48%)
Jim Webb - 13%     (47%)
Hillary Clinton - 9%     (3%)

From the same poll of Iowa Democrats:
(http://i.imgur.com/UdejpcX.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 01, 2015, 10:47:14 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/05/why-take-my-vibrator-michigan-cops-legally-rob-every-belonging-from-medical-marijuana-patient/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2015, 09:08:15 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/elizabeth-warren-run-warren-run-campaign-118514.html#.VW2pk1VVhBc

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Why We’re Suspending the “Run Warren Run” Campaign
But we’re still declaring victory.

Today we announce the suspension of our campaign to draft Elizabeth Warren into the presidential race. There’s no sugar-coating it: We didn’t achieve our central goal. But there’s a bigger story that gives us tremendous hope: as one headline put it, “Elizabeth Warren may not be running, but she’s in the 2016 race anyway.”

In the six months since we launched the Run Warren Run effort, Senator Warren’s agenda and message have transformed the American political landscape. Echoing Warren’s famous adage that “the game is rigged,” Hillary Clinton declared in her campaign announcement that “the deck is still stacked in favor of those at the top.” Bernie Sanders emerged out of the gate as a far stronger contender than political bookmakers could have imagined just a few months ago. And Martin O’Malley launched his campaign on Saturday calling for the breaking up of big banks and jailing of Wall Street crooks. Even some Republicans are positioning themselves to run against inequality (although their proposals would exacerbate it).

To be sure, Warren—and grassroots economic populism more broadly—was already a rising force well before our efforts began. But look closely at the way the Run Warren Run effort unfolded, and you’ll see why, for us and for the 365,000 people who signed up, this campaign has already succeeded. Although Run Warren Run may not have sparked a candidacy, it ignited a movement.

So what did Run Warren Run do? And why did it work?

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Run Warren Run struck a blow for a different vision of democracy. We showed that grassroots progressives are ready to lift up candidates who refuse to kiss the rings of those corrupting our political system and rigging our economy.

You’d better believe that every ambitious progressive politico in the nation was paying attention. We’ve helped to shift the incentives, demonstrating that there’s a grassroots army holding up a career ladder for public servants who actually seek to serve the public.

We don’t begrudge Warren for not choosing to climb that ladder. But we’re proud that everyone now knows it’s there.

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Senator Warren has heard our case, and she declined to run. We respect her decision. If she chooses to reconsider, due to shifting circumstances or a new intuition, the movement that urged her to run could regroup at a moment’s notice. But regardless of whether that happens, we’re thrilled at how far we’ve come—and by what’s next.

On June 8, after delivering our petition, we will formally suspend the Run Warren Run campaign—and double down on the movement that it helped energize. Going forward, the hundreds of thousands of us who joined Run Warren Run will pour our energies into standing and fighting by Warren’s side. And there are many fights afoot. We’ll help wage the battle against fast-track authority for the special-interest wish-fulfillment machine known as the Trans-Pacific Partnership. We’ll stand with workers demanding higher wages and the right to organize. And we’ll keep lifting up the voices of those calling for a country where education is not synonymous with debt, where Social Security can live up to its name, and where money does not equal speech—or buy overwhelming influence.

Today, we’re at a crossroads. One way leads to an ever-accelerating loop of rising inequality and the consolidation of political power by those who benefit from a rigged system. The other road, towards an America that works for everyone, is much harder to follow. There is no third way.

The rise of Elizabeth Warren, the effort to draft her for president, and the surging progressive spirit of the 2016 Democratic field and electorate—these are all important by themselves, but ultimately, they’re all tremors presaging a much deeper tectonic shift in American politics. Just as the progressive movement and New Deal set the stage for the rise of the great American middle class a century ago, we’re due for a profound political reckoning that restores our founders’ dream of government by and for the people. No one candidate can deliver that. It’s up to all of us.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2015, 09:14:30 AM

Bernie Sanders on Hillary Clinton: 'Would she be interested in being my vice president?' (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-talks-to-katie-couric-bernie-120458581061.html)

 :teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 02, 2015, 10:52:59 AM

Ready for Warren says, "So long, quitters":

(http://i.imgur.com/GzsoBej.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CGgBYqyUAAE_LZ_.png:large)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 02, 2015, 12:04:44 PM

If you're newly shaming the WSJ Op-Ed pages then get in line and enjoy the larff. Especially if it pertains to the Clintons.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 02, 2015, 12:05:00 PM

Demonize donation to a charity, brehs. Make it sound like all donations have a criminal intent or element.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 02, 2015, 12:14:30 PM

Sure am glad Murdoch bought our bourgeois paper of record. :aah

If only he'd buy Teh Ecconymist too, I'd love to see what he could do with a publication that staned for the Irish famine while it was a current event.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 02, 2015, 12:33:54 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on June 02, 2015, 12:04:44 PM

If you're newly shaming the WSJ Op-Ed pages then get in line and enjoy the larff. Especially if it pertains to the Clintons.

I'm reasonably certain that if I look hard enough I can find a WSJ op-ed insinuating that Bill offed Vince Foster back in the day.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 02, 2015, 02:26:40 PM

JUSTICE FOR VILERAT

DID YOU GIVE THE STAND DOWN ORDER IN FOUNTAIN, MITTANI?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2015, 08:39:18 PM

http://chuckcjohnson.info/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2015, 08:16:04 PM

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“It’s not nation-building. We are assisting them in building their nation,” Rubio said of his vision for Iraq.

I'm not saying that Marco Rubio is dumb, I'm saying that dumb is a word that can assist in describing Marco Rubio.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 04, 2015, 08:55:09 PM

"What do you mean brought it bowling, Dude? I didn't rent it shoes. I'm not buying it a fucking beer. He's not taking your fucking turn, Dude."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 04, 2015, 08:59:48 PM

Speaking of dumb...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2015/06/04/fact-check-rick-perry/28493339/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 05, 2015, 02:53:45 PM

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A conservative Christian straight ADF lawyer professor and minister was teaching a class on Jesus, a known prophet.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship God and accept that he was the creator of this young world!"

At this moment, a brave, skeptical, pro-physician assisted suicide medical student who had performed 1500 abortions and understood the necessity of welfare and fully supported all scientific decision made by the Obama-appointed Surgeon General stood up and held up a rock.

"How old is this uranium-lead filled rock?"

The arrogant professor smugly replied "5,000 years, you stupid Atheist!"

"Wrong. It’s been 4.6 billion years since it was forged from a supernova. If it was 5,000 years old and creationism, as you say, is real… then radioactive dating should be saying that right now."

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of the King James Bible. He stormed out of the room crying those conservative crocodile tears.

The students applauded and all registered Democrats that day and accepted reality and the scientific method. An eagle named "Socialism" flew into the room and perched atop the United Nations Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was omitted entirely, and Bernie Sanders himself showed up and enacted a massive progressive tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day.

 :lol  :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on June 05, 2015, 03:23:49 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/tanned-exquisitely-coiffed-bernie-sanders-tells-su-50589 (http://www.theonion.com/article/tanned-exquisitely-coiffed-bernie-sanders-tells-su-50589)

(http://i.onionstatic.com/onion/5045/5/16x9/800.jpg)
 :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2015, 01:12:38 AM

MILLIONAIRE · PLAYBOY · POKER PLAYER
SEXUAL PHILANTHROPIST

(http://i.imgur.com/mHVe7N0h.jpg)

http://socialnewsdaily.com/52262/kingofinstagram-dan-bilzerian-is-running-for-president/
http://www.rowdygentleman.com/pages/bilzerian-2016

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Because of his lavish lifestyle, he reportedly suffered three heart attacks before the age of 32

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In December 2014, Bilzerian was embroiled in a legal matter with pornographic actress Janice Griffith, whom he threw off the roof of a house and into a pool as part of a photoshoot for Hustler magazine in April 2014. She fell short of the pool, hitting the edge, and broke her foot. Then 18-year-old Griffith asked Bilzerian for $85,000 for her injuries, which was rejected. Later Griffith filed a lawsuit against both Hustler and Bilzerian to which Bilzerian's attorney responded that Griffith was under contract for the event by Hustler, that Hustler hired Bilzerian for the event, and that Bilzerian was not at fault

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In August 2014, Bilzerian was banned from a Miami nightclub for kicking model Vanessa Castano in the face during a brawl. Bilzerian stated that Castano and another woman attacked Bilzerian's female companion. Castano stated, "There were two girls standing next to me at the table that were fighting. People started getting shoved and I tried to separate them. Then Dan pushed me both off the banquette and once I fell he kicked me in the face."

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On December 9, 2014, Bilzerian was arrested at Los Angeles International Airport on unrelated bomb-making charges

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2015, 01:45:59 AM

I'd vote for flashforward Jack for President.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 07, 2015, 02:58:38 AM

(https://louisproyect.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/screen-shot-2015-06-05-at-11-37-30-am.png?w=464&h=278)

 :gddr5

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2015, 03:25:26 AM

WSWS :aah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: tiesto on June 08, 2015, 09:28:01 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 07, 2015, 01:12:38 AM

MILLIONAIRE · PLAYBOY · POKER PLAYER
SEXUAL PHILANTHROPIST

(http://i.imgur.com/mHVe7N0h.jpg)

http://socialnewsdaily.com/52262/kingofinstagram-dan-bilzerian-is-running-for-president/
http://www.rowdygentleman.com/pages/bilzerian-2016

Meh, Marquee. If he was having his campaign launch party at Verboten, on the other hand...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 08, 2015, 02:08:14 PM

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The Supreme Court ruled Monday that the president alone has the power to recognize foreign nations, and it struck down as unconstitutional a congressional attempt to allow Americans born in Jerusalem to list Israel as their birthplace on passports.

President Obama and President George W. Bush had said the 2002 passport law embraces the interpretation that Jerusalem belongs to Israel, something the executive branch has long held should be settled by the parties in the Middle East. They refused to let the State Department honor such requests.

Finally a pretext for my aliyah besides, "I'm bored, I think I'll become a kibbutznik." :rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2015, 04:40:08 PM

https://twitter.com/SenJohnThune/status/607990379619696640

(http://i.imgur.com/tmjSNZ2.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2015, 04:44:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2015, 04:40:08 PM

https://twitter.com/SenJohnThune/status/607990379619696640

(http://i.imgur.com/tmjSNZ2.gif)

This from someone the media widely tried to portray as "a very serious person and potential presidential hopeful" for years on end, brehs

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/michael-jordan-laugh.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on June 08, 2015, 05:08:29 PM

"There's nothing to do to fix this except fix it, which we aren't going to do"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2015, 05:17:22 PM

Remember when SCOTUS struck down the VRA and Roberts said that he'd leave it to Congress to fix it.:lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2015, 05:23:14 PM

The funny thing is that republicans aren't even pretending to come up with a fix or compromise, to give Roberts cover to shitcan the subsidies. I thought they'd trot out some quasi serious fix or solution, and pass it in the House. That way they could say "hey, we have a solution, we just need senate democrats to compromise and Obama to sign it." They can't even do that. I've read some reports that they plan on doing some type of extension past the 2016 election, to take the issue off the table. But nothing has materialized and now it's June...

Kind of makes me wonder whether SC Justice clerks leak info to Capitol Hill/the White House; iirc cases like this are settled long before the decision is publicly revealed. Maybe republican inaction is because they know the subsidies will be upheld?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2015, 05:29:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2015, 05:23:14 PM

Kind of makes me wonder whether SC Justice clerks leak info to Capitol Hill/the White House; iirc cases like this are settled long before the decision is publicly revealed. Maybe republican inaction is because they know the subsidies will be upheld?

I've had the exact same thought but for the opposite reason- see so much gloom and doom among liberals, and there was a meeting like a week ago where Republicans were apparently scrambling to come up with something and were like "uh we're fucked"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2015, 07:25:24 PM

https://twitter.com/justinamash/status/608021434762280960
:heh

Amash, my favorite local republican :hitler

@benji :hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2015, 04:05:30 AM

I've read that John Thune has some strange stuff in his closet though I can't imagine what it is. Dude is like a perfect Presidential candidate, but it'd come out. He adamantly refused to be considered for VP in 2008 and 2012. But as South Dakota Senator, who gives a fuck.

Kinda like Mitch Daniels and that weird affair with his wife.

Whatever happened to J.C. Watts? Or Harold Ford? Pre-Obama Obama's.

Speaking of oft-talked about contenders:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sJ6C39F1L.jpg)
I should read this book.

Too bad about that foreign policy, she's socially libertarian, like a William Weld type. Also,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCbadZMiiQ

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MARS ATTACKS IS AWESOME!

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You're the turkey.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2015, 08:15:07 AM

Thanks to 20 years of oppo research on Hillary, we already know she killed Vince Foster, did Benghazi, takes bribes from Saudi Arabia, and is in lesbians with a Muslim Brotherhood member. There are no surprises left.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 09, 2015, 10:32:31 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/08/3667026/wisconsin-voters-feel-screwed-new-voting-restrictions/

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MILWAUKEE, WISCONSIN — When Hillary Clinton issued a sweeping call for expanding and protecting voting rights, and called out Wisconsin and other states for passing discriminatory laws, Governor Scott Walker responded by blasting her views as “extreme” and “far outside the mainstream.” He defended his own record of cutting early voting days and implementing a strict voter ID law, saying these changes “make it easier to vote and harder to cheat.”
But at a workshop held in Milwaukee in early June, state government employees struggled to explain the byzantine voting restrictions to a crowd of poll workers and community activists.
Under Wisconsin’s voter ID law, which was blocked by courts until this March, you can vote with an expired military ID, but naturalization papers and student IDs must be current. Students must bring additional proof of enrollment, such as a class schedule. All Wisconsin residents can obtain a free state ID from any DMV, but only if they have no drivers license from any state. For 18-year-olds voting for the first time, a public high school ID counts, but a private one doesn’t. A bank statement can serve as proof of residence, but not a credit card statement.
“There are so many twists and turns. I hate it,” local organizer Denise Brown told ThinkProgress. “The people who passed these laws benefit from sowing confusion. They want people to get discouraged and stay home.”
Brown, who has volunteered for years registering voters in Milwaukee and the surrounding suburbs, said the provisions of the law seem to privilege some sectors of the population over others.
“Many lower-wage workers are not banked, and they’re counting on that,” Brown continued, referring to people who do not have any bank account. “Those people tend to vote more progressive, so they’re trying to eliminate them. It’s just wrong.”
Others at the workshop expressed concern about the state’s oldest voters, who no longer drive and may not have proper identifying documents.
“My grandmother was born in the South and not in a hospital,” asked one participant. “What should she do?”
Megan Wolf, who works for the Government Accountability Board (GAB) in Madison, answered that residents without birth certificates should bring any documents they have to the DMV, which has special investigators on hand. She listed marriage certificates, the death certificate of a relative, baptism papers and the birth certificate of the voter’s child as possible options.
“How does your child’s birth certificate prove when you were born?” asked one participant.
“What if someone with those other documents goes to the DMV a few weeks before the election?” asked another.
“They’re screwed,” grumbled a third.
As frustration in the room mounted, Wolf and her colleagues repeatedly reminded residents that they were not responsible for creating the law, only implementing it. And they’ve have had to do so with almost no resources.
Governor Scott Walker’s budget, which must pass in the next few weeks, includes almost no funding for the GAB to educate voters about the new requirements. The agency had estimated it would cost about $500,000 to inform the state’s millions of voters about the law, but they were given a only tiny fraction of that amount.
“We actually made a great ad campaign. We have catchy videos in English and Spanish. But we weren’t given any money to air them,” Wolf told ThinkProgress. “Our request for additional funding was denied.”
Due to the lack of funds, Wolf said she could only give workshops if communities self-organize and request one, as they did in Milwaukee. She also implored the attendees to widely share the PSAs they can’t afford to get on the radio or TV.
Former poll worker and local activist Solana Patterson-Ramos, who attended the event said she’s worried this approach will leave the vast majority of the state in the dark.
“It’s a law that will really disenfranchise if we’re not informed,” she said. “We already have a low voter turnout and this is going to harm it even more.”
While some voting rights advocates are focusing on education, others are turning to litigation. On June 1, Hillary Clinton’s top campaign lawyer joined with local civil rights groups in suing Wisconsin in federal court for the voting restrictions Governor Walker has signed into law over the past five years — including additional voter registration requirements, a rollback of early voting days, the allowance of “intrusive and intimidating” election monitoring, and the voter ID law.
One of the plaintiffs in that lawsuit is Anita Johnson with Citizen Action of Wisconsin, who said the effort was part of her group’s mission to “help people fight for justice.”
“This law was meant to disenfranchise people of color, poor people, people with disabilities, people without transportation,” she said. “It appears the people who put this law in place want to stay in power, and the only way they can stay in power is to make sure that only their people get to the polls.”
Speaking with ThinkProgress just before the voter ID workshop, Johnson expressed concern for voters in districts where getting an ID is even more difficult than in Milwaukee. In more than half of the state’s counties, the DMVs are only open two days a week and offer no after-work hours. And for the estimated hundreds of thousands of Wisconsinites who lack an ID, getting to those DMVs may be challenging in areas without reliable public transportation.
“This law is going to stop a lot of people from voting. They’re going to say, ‘I don’t feel like going through all of that,'” she predicted.
But for those willing to jump through the hoops, Johnson says Citizen Action will try to answer their questions, spread the word about the rules, and help those struggling to acquire the proper documents to make sure no one is disenfranchised in 2016.
“We are going to do everything in our power to make sure people go to the polls and vote,” she said. “Education is key. That’s why we started this crusade early, when there is no election on the horizon.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2015, 10:39:38 AM

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elections/presidential/caucus/2015/06/09/santorum-panora-hamlin-visit/28724779/

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HAMLIN, Ia. – When just one Iowan showed up to Rick Santorum's 2 p.m. campaign stop at a restaurant here Monday, the winner of the 2012 Iowa caucuses made a quick decision: Might as well order lunch.

"I haven't eaten, actually, all day," he said to his guest, Peggy Toft, an insurance agent and chair of the county's Republican Party.

...

"It's not glamorous, and you're not out there raising money, but you're doing what the money is ultimately supposed to do — getting votes," said Santorum, who earlier in the day drew 10 people to a noon meeting in nearby Panora. "This is a lot more fun than being on the phone raising money."

So in the middle of the workday in Hamlin, a township of under 300 people, Santorum said he saw one person as a good crowd.

"They're known for their breaded tenderloins, but there's a lot of good choices here," Toft told Santorum as he eyed the menu.

Another woman, one of four photographers in the room, recommended the rhubarb pie.

"Rhubarb pie? Are you a reporter here?" Santorum asked.

"Local reporter," she said, "and I work here part-time."

Santorum settled on the tenderloin with a side of onion rings. By the time they showed up, three more Iowans had entered the restaurant and found their way to his table.

...

One newcomer, Glen Meyers, a minister from nearby Exira, asked Santorum for his thoughts on same-sex marriage. Santorum called it a threat not just to family but religious liberty

"This is where the left is saying, 'Here is what your belief system should be, and anyone who does not toe the line, you're a hater, you're a bigot, you're intolerant and you will not be tolerated,'" Santorum said.

The pastor seemed pleased with the response: "That was pretty good."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2015, 10:50:28 AM

Did they not have a Taco Bell? Americans want answers, Mr. Santorum.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2015, 10:59:58 AM

That was pretty good.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2015, 01:29:45 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 09, 2015, 10:32:31 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/election/2015/06/08/3667026/wisconsin-voters-feel-screwed-new-voting-restrictions/

bububu voter fraud

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on June 09, 2015, 01:39:25 PM

Voter ID laws are a pretty good way to figure out if someone is full of shit without talking to them for any amount of time.  That and mentioning "sharia law"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2015, 03:59:16 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/lindsey-graham-rotating-first-lady-bachelor-president-118783.html?hp=rc2_4
(http://i.imgur.com/Ea9y2rB.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2015, 04:26:41 PM

If Scientology can hook Tom Cruise up with a beard, why can't the GOP do something for Lindsey Graham?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2015, 07:53:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/aGZNoYd.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2015, 08:22:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 09, 2015, 01:39:25 PM

Voter ID laws are a pretty good way to figure out if someone is full of shit without talking to them for any amount of time.  That and mentioning "sharia law"

My brother said this to me a few weeks ago: "I have no idea what Sharia law is, I just know that anybody who brings it up like it's a serious thing is an asshole."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2015, 08:33:40 PM

Just say, "I don't know anything about the rules of the street, sorry," when someone mentions Sharia. You might get a :comeon if there's an Arabic speaker in the house.

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The trilateral root used to form Sharia is the same root used to form a word for street.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 09, 2015, 08:39:18 PM

Sharia Law is anything that allows a Muslim to feel like they're anything other than a third-class citizen in America.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2015, 11:46:57 PM

Per the IRS. (Subscribe to IRS newsletters brehs.)

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Individual Income Tax Returns, Preliminary Data, 2013: Preliminary data show that taxpayers filed nearly 148 million U.S. individual income tax returns for Tax Year 2013. While both adjusted gross income (AGI) and taxable income increased less than 1 percent from the previous year, total income tax rose 3.6 percent to $1.2 trillion and total tax liability increased 4.5 percent to $1.3 trillion. More than two-thirds of all taxpayers claimed the standard deduction, which accounted for 43 percent of total deductions. Total taxes and interest paid made up about 70 percent of all itemized deductions for the year.

A thing I've come around on after preparing high income taxpayer tax returns is the scam itemized deductions are. Phase out of home mortgage debt doesn't start until indebtedness hits one million dollars :drevil: and people wonder why the housing market is chronically short on supply of starter homes.

It's time cacs got off the government teat.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2015, 11:58:00 PM

Was just reading about JEB's tenure at the helm of the Great State of Florida and I came across this gem. I'd not heard this one before.

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Published: May 31, 2003
Gov. Jeb Bush signed a bill today repealing the state's ''Scarlet Letter'' law that required single women planning to put their infants up for adoption to first publish their sexual histories in a newspaper if they did not know the identity of the father.

A 2001 bill including a series of adoption-law revisions passed by large margins in the Florida House and Senate and became law when Mr. Bush declined to veto it, with the understanding that lawmakers would revise the publication section.

That provision was intended to notify fathers who might want to exercise their parental rights before an adoption occurred to reduce the likelihood of a custody challenge later.

[...]

The Scarlet Letter law required women to run advertisements disclosing their names, ages, height, hair and eye color, race and weight as well as the child's name and birthplace and a description of the possible father.

It also required the women to provide details of the dates and places of sexual encounters that might have produced the child. Women were required to run the advertisements once a week for a month in the community where the child may have been conceived.

This shit, man. :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 10, 2015, 12:02:31 AM

2003, more like 1693.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2015, 12:05:15 AM

After the first line I figured it was a dead letter law from the 1880's or some shit.

A whole state legislature becoming a collective Florida Man.  Good job.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2015, 12:27:27 AM

2/3/01, men's bathroom at Stuckey's, third stall, didn't have any quarters for the condom machine, you said you'd call. :(

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 10, 2015, 02:06:20 PM

Well, I guess the 15th time "training the Iraqi army" will really be the charm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/world/middleeast/us-embracing-a-new-approach-on-battling-isis-in-iraq.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: huckleberry on June 10, 2015, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 10, 2015, 02:06:20 PM

Well, I guess the 15th time "training the Iraqi army" will really be the charm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/11/world/middleeast/us-embracing-a-new-approach-on-battling-isis-in-iraq.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Heard that on BBC this morning. The Iraqi spokesman didn't seem to have much conviction that it would be successful. He did say that they needed to take a religious approach to the restructuring to combat the religious extremism of IS. Seems like a great plan.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2015, 09:34:00 PM

Got my "Support the Troops" stickers on standby, ready to deploy at a moments notice!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2015, 12:39:23 AM

Did NPR host Diane Rehm just accuse Bernie Sanders of dual citizenship with Israel? (http://www.jewishjournal.com/mostthingsconsidered/item/did_npr_host_diane_rehm_just_accuse_bernie_sanders_of_being_an_israeli_citi)

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On a Wednesday morning broadcast, longtime NPR host Diane Rehm interviewed presidential candidate and Senator Bernie Sanders (D-VT), and asked the Jewish self-described socialist some strange questions when it came to his connection with Israel.

Here’s the relevant exchange, which begins at about the 24-minute mark if you want to listen for yourself:

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Diane Rehm: Senator, you have dual citizenship with Israel.

Bernie Sanders: Well, no I do not have dual citizenship with Israel. I'm an American. I don't know where that question came from. I am an American citizen, and I have visited Israel on a couple of occasions. No, I'm an American citizen, period.

Rehm: I understand from a list we have gotten that you were on that list.

Sanders: No.

Rehm: Forgive me if that is—

Sanders: That's some of the nonsense that goes on in the internet. But that is absolutely not true.

Rehm: Interesting. Are there members of Congress who do have dual citizenship or is that part of the fable?

Sanders: I honestly don't know but I have read that on the internet. You know, my dad came to this country from Poland at the age of 17 without a nickel in his pocket. He loved this country. I am, you know, I got offended a little bit by that comment, and I know it's been on the internet. I am obviously an American citizen and I do not have any dual citizenship.

I'll seek comment from Diane Rehm on why she, or whoever prepared the interview, thought Sanders has Israeli citizenship. The question itself suggests that Rehm may have been trying to imply some type of dual loyalty on Sanders’s part.

A cursory search on Google of “Bernie Sanders Israeli citizenship” shows that his name comes up in the comments section of the “We are all Vittorio Arrigoni” Facebook page. Arrigoni was an Italian pro-Palestinian activist who was kidnapped and murdered by non-Hamas Islamists in Gaza in April 2011. In the comments section of the Facebook page, on May 2 a user posted a list of senators and representatives who “have both Israel and U.S. citizenships.” Sanders is on the list. No source is given because the list is a total fabrication, not to mention created by an anti-Semite and anti-person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation, which is given away by the fact that it says “Jewish Lobby”, “#israelwarcrime”, “AIPAC: Buying Congress one seat at a time”, “Rothschild”, and features an American flag with a Star of David replacing the 50 stars.

If this is in fact the “list” that Rehm was referring to, it’s a remarkable feat of shoddy and lazy journalism.

(http://www.jewishjournal.com/images/bloggers/diane.jpg)

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Diane Rehm sent the following statement:

"On today's show I made a mistake. Rather than asking Senator and Presidential Candidate Bernie Sanders whether he had dual U.S./Israeli citizenship, as I had read in a comment on Facebook, I stated it as fact.

He corrected me, saying he did not know where the question came from. I apologized immediately. 

I want to apologize as well to all our listeners for having made an erroneous statement. I am sorry for the mistake. However, I am glad to play a role in putting this rumor to rest."

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Abe Foxman, Anti-Defamation League national director, sent the following statement:

“Diane Rehm’s questions were inappropriate, insensitive questioning without any minimal journalistic checking of claims. Such a statement is not only factually incorrect, but has no place in such an interview.

“It is deeply troubling to think that a well-respected media outlet like NPR would apparently rely on unsubstantiated information from the Internet in its preparation for a guest.

“Ms. Rehm’s description and follow-up question about whether other Senators have dual citizenship with Israel play into classic anti-Semitic charges of dual loyalty. Such charges have been leveled for centuries and have been a catalyst for scapegoating and vilifying Jews.

“Senator Sanders deserves a public apology, as do NPR listeners.”

And after seeing Rehm's statement, he added:

“Her mistake was to not research it before she even stated it as fact.  She shouldn’t have asked the question, period.  Had she researched it, she wouldn’t have raised it at all.  Because her question challenges not only his loyalty, but also Jewish loyalties to this country.”

I'd never seen a picture of her before, she looks nothing like what I assumed from her radio personality. It's a Mark Levin moment.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2015, 12:45:03 AM

http://www.readytobeathillary.com/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 11, 2015, 01:27:11 AM

First they take Jerusalem from us. Now they take Bernie Sanders from us. Never again.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2015, 01:30:03 AM

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Hillary has token opposition but I mean it's more than like what Al Gore got.

Bill Bradley had to be a way more formidiable opposition.

He lost NH 53-47 to Gore. Bradley was even with Gore in late 99 polls. They had like twelve debates or something absurd. IIRC, it was more than the GOP and they had a nominal field. And it lost Gore key supporters when he went hard on the offensive against Bradley over cooperating with Reagan. I imagine some of those were eventual Nader voters.

The Perfect Tie* posits that the actual primary that year was between McCain and Bradley. That had one of them been able to win what they define (through five characteristics or something) as the "reform" primary from the other, then they would have soaked up all that support and thus been able to better stand against W. Bush or Gore one-on-one both in terms of funding, campaign infrastructure, key supporters, etc. But alone in each primary they were shorn apart by factors of the individual party's primaries rather than being able to do as McCain did in places like Michigan and pull in non-Republicans or temporary Republicans.

Also, lol at writing that reminding me of how much people said "reform" that year, like in 2008 when everyone started saying "change" suddenly.

*Which is from a series of political science books based around statistical analysis of the presidential elections rather than "punditry or narratives." James Ceaser is the primary author, I think Andrew Busch stopped participating eventually, but they did like 1988-2008 or something. Definitely not like Game Change or Double Down in format.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 11, 2015, 09:40:34 AM

Jeb Bush campaign in ruins, can't raise money, has no shot at nomination, conservatives don't trust him, please don't look up articles about McCain in 2007: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-jeb-bushs-campaign-ran-off-course-before-it-even-began/2015/06/10/386331e6-0eb6-11e5-adec-e82f8395c032_story.html

Top favorite quote:

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“Interacting with people on the road who deal with real issues . . . that’s what brings true joy to Jeb,” Sally Bradshaw, a longtime consultant, said in a recent e-mail.

"You know what brings true joy to Jeb? Hearing about the troubles and daily struggles of the common folk."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 11, 2015, 09:54:57 AM

Jeb Bush seems like he'd rather be at home reading Charles Murray books than campaigning. Romney has to be kicking himself for allowing Bush to punk him out of running.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 11, 2015, 10:34:59 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/sPAc0HD.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 11, 2015, 01:39:14 PM

Back in 1989, Jeb scammed the Nigerian government and used tax-payer money to do it:

Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/jeb-bush-david-eller-mwi-bush-el-nigeria

But the president's then-36-year-old son was not visiting Nigeria on a diplomatic mission. He had come to promote an industrial water pump company. The visit—and the $82 million deal tied to it—would form one of the more controversial episodes of Bush's business career and dog him for years after he jumped into politics. The deal became notorious because of allegations, outlined in thousands of pages of court documents, that the transaction had been greased through massive bribes to Nigerian officials paid for by American taxpayer money loaned through the US Export-Import Bank. The deal triggered a federal criminal investigation, as well as nearly two decades of civil litigation by the US Department of Justice that in 2013 resulted in a federal jury finding that the water pump company, MWI Corp., had defrauded the federal government of millions of dollars.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 11, 2015, 09:12:17 PM

Lindsey Graham Is A 'Bro With No Ho,' According To Mark Kirk (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/11/lindsey-graham-bachelor_n_7562114.html)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 12, 2015, 01:59:07 PM

Drudge front page  :lol
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CHUWRqcXAAEwp1A.jpg)

dems destroyed TAA in the House a few minutes ago, thankfully.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 12, 2015, 02:08:51 PM

Dems finally grow a backbone and stand strong against a bad piece of legislation, and it was something that Obama actually wanted. :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 12, 2015, 02:29:25 PM

Republicans wanted it bad too so you know it must have been a shit show for American workers. It sounds like something Obama agreed to do as a concession from another negotiation.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 12, 2015, 02:56:24 PM

As the former scion of a family whose wealth was largely derived from Boeing, I used to only like the Export-Import Bank because it was little more than Boeing's consumer credit department funded by taxpayers, but now I know it's a legit criminal enterprise too. Jeb Bush 2016. :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 05:51:20 PM

Lindsey Graham on bachelorhood: I'm not 'defective' (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/graham-on-bachelorhood-im-not-defective-118896.html)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 12, 2015, 06:07:10 PM

In Florida you can't sell electricity generated by solar panels on your home, nor can you be sold electricity generated from panels on your home (pseudo-leasing). Jeb Bush is nothing but a RINO. Lindsey Graham 2016. #singleladies :american

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 12, 2015, 07:22:43 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/QfKyH5h.png)

 :huh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 08:24:49 PM

Who wants to pay to get up at 6:30 in the morning to go skeet shooting with Lindsey Graham?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 12, 2015, 08:47:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 12, 2015, 08:24:49 PM

Who wants to pay to get up at 6:30 in the morning to go skeet shooting with Lindsey Graham?

Pre-registered attendees only (no twinks or asians)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Van Cruncheon on June 12, 2015, 11:02:10 PM

i'm a little more worried about lindsey graham skeeting

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 12, 2015, 11:22:23 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on June 12, 2015, 11:02:10 PM

i'm a little more worried about lindsey graham skeeting

Don't worry, I have it on good authority from a Puerto Rican rentboy I know that his aim is impeccable.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2015, 12:51:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIpMZesm1eA

What's Hillary position on fucking up aspect ratios and audio in your uploads? And on running audio from your B-Roll over your guests?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 13, 2015, 11:22:45 PM

Quote

Best case scenario timeline:

2015 - Democrats hold Kentucky governor
2016 - Clinton wins by a huge margin, Democrats retake Senate, gain like 15 seats in the House (they need 30 for a majority). Hold Missouri/Montana governorships, pick up Indiana/North Carolina
2017 - Democrats hold Virginia governor, win New Jersey governor
2018 - Minimal House/Senate losses, hold Pennsylvania governorship, pick up: FL, IL, MA, MD, ME, MI OH, WI. NY governor election won by a Democrat who's not a backstabbing asshole
2020 - Clinton wins reelection, gain back several of the seats lost in 20[14] (IA, CO, NC and also ME)
2022 - Democrats win House majority under new lines, Clinton passes a bunch of liberal legislation in her last two years

Dream scenario:

2016 - Clinton wins by such a huge margin Democrats are swept into House/Senate majorities right away and she gets to pass shit

:hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2015, 11:39:51 PM

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Dream scenario:

2016 - Sanders wins by such a huge margin Democrats are swept into House/Senate majorities right away and she gets to pass shit

fixed

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I intentionally left the female pronoun in, because in this scenario, Mrs. Sanders becomes our first female and first transgendered president :bow2

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Trent Dole on June 14, 2015, 01:09:20 AM

TranSanders :teehee

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2015, 01:35:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJ--Um3CtvY

I know Benji will watch this with me.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2015, 03:21:46 AM

That's the guy that was thanking white people and god for slavery:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ka8ZTP5MTpE

He's great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeFhA_sL38c

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 14, 2015, 03:46:42 AM

I obviously agree with certain aspects of this speech PD posted but I always hate how the solution is social conservatism, tougher "law and order" and immediate cut-offs.

Never talk about other reasons they don't have fathers or whatever with the drug war and basically forced recidivism. Never propose fixing welfare systems so they taper off instead of the sudden cut offs where taking on jobs actually makes people worse off. Complaining about "black anger" but dismissing any grievances as illegitimate, even if they are imaginary you still need to address them, not dismiss them. (Same with Middle East views and so on.)

Jesse Distinguished Black Fellow Peterson spends a lot of the speech bashing communities and their institutions (churches, etc.) for not doing better, yet he doesn't tie his anti-government views to areas where the government is holding them back. He doesn't ask why blacks turn to the only people who show interest in their complaints or interests even if their "solutions" are actually harmful.

To tie this into the Buchanan book I was reading, he basically makes the same argument they were using in the 1960's, that the left (especially Robert Kennedy) are promoting violence by minorities by treating their complaints as legitimate. If the power structure denies avenues of redress of grievances or even attention towards them of course any group will get frustrated. Even if riots like in the 1960's were a slightly counter-productive solution.

There's something amusing about how he comes towards the conclusion that Obama and other blacks want to take power away from whites and how this has to be opposed, it's a tacit admission of racial power structures he dismisses as existing otherwise.

I like how he rants about all the kids out of wedlock, and then shifts to how abortion is at fault. :lol

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I don't have an Afro, I have an Amerifro.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2015, 10:43:49 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/SYMkqT9.jpg)

Really? $100 Million of SuperPAC money, and that's the best you got? This looks like a forgotten soda brand from the 80's.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Rufus on June 15, 2015, 10:47:28 AM

There go my dreams of a Jeb for Jerbs logo.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 02:08:36 PM

Rockefeller 1968:
(http://www.4president.org/image/1968/nelsonrockefeller1968.gif)

Alexander 1996:
(http://www.4president.org/lamar1996.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2015, 02:47:36 PM

:bow Following in the footsteps of greatness.(!) :bow2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: doctavius bonbon on June 15, 2015, 03:21:27 PM

E3 IS SAVED: JEB BUSH 2016 LIVE

https://jeb2016.com/splash?lang=en

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 03:24:53 PM

There's a guy with a guitar and four women singing the national anthem.

Wonder if Jeb is going to announce Bush Remastered or backwards compatibility with past Bushes.

EDIT: Guess these people are all Cuban's.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: doctavius bonbon on June 15, 2015, 03:26:03 PM

THE CUBAN LINK

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 03:28:15 PM

Whenever people come out the crowd chants JEB JEB JEB JEB JEB JEB

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 03:30:07 PM

JEB BUSH BELIEVES IN STRONG FAMILIES

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 03:32:52 PM

wtf at this depressing montage

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 03:34:29 PM

shots of Jeb Bush talking to random business people in factories and boardrooms

"it's not about yapping, there's a lot of people just talking"

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 03:37:28 PM

This Jeb Bush event is using more immigrants than a NYC fine dining kitchen.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2015, 03:47:13 PM

B-HAG

BIG HAIRY AUDACIOUS GOAL

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2015, 04:09:44 PM

I guess Jeb's appeal is basically "maybe Cubans will vote for me in Florida."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 15, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

Colt Firearms is skint.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/behind-colts-bankruptcy-financial-engineering-that-backfired/ar-BBlb4My

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 15, 2015, 06:23:19 PM

It's gonna be yooooooooge.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-net-worth

Not sure what I've done to deserve the entertainment value the 2016 GOP field is going to provide, but damn if I ain't gonna eat.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 16, 2015, 11:41:59 AM

He's in. This is really a thing that is really happening. I'm not sure what I've done to deserve this sort of entertainment, but I've got popcorn popping.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/16/politics/donald-trump-2016-announcement-elections/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2015, 11:51:40 AM

:neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 16, 2015, 11:52:28 AM

:lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 16, 2015, 12:01:33 PM

Won't he drop like a rock once we get in the real political machine though ?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2015, 12:09:26 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 16, 2015, 12:01:33 PM

Won't he drop like a rock once we get in the real political machine though ?

"Drop like a rock" implies that he'll ever actually be at a point high enough to fall from.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2015, 12:17:32 PM

https://vine.co/v/eeQKl9Lp1tm

:rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2015, 12:18:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mv4ddhuLwQ

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2015, 02:51:31 PM

Those first few Republican debates are going to be must-watch television now with Trump. 

Say what you will about Trump, he does have a certain amount of charisma. It will be interesting to see how much he dwarfs the others he's on stage with.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 16, 2015, 10:09:42 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2015, 12:17:32 PM

https://vine.co/v/eeQKl9Lp1tm

:rofl

VERY NICE ESCALATOR. VERY CLASSY.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 16, 2015, 10:46:11 PM

The FDA banned trans fats. The industry has 3 years to remove it from the food supply.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 16, 2015, 10:51:56 PM

Shocking news- David Brooks is an idiot who is not very good at things. I'm sure this will get brought up the next Sunday show he's on and he'll have to validate his credibility.

(Just kidding)

http://www.salon.com/2015/06/15/the_facts_vs_david_brooks_startling_inaccuracies_raise_questions_about_his_latest_book/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2015, 11:00:42 PM

I was going to post that but I care about the people on this forum so I didn't.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2015, 12:31:27 AM

I would have posted the article but The Bore, like America, can basically be separated into two groups. Those who like David Brooks articles, who I'll call The Johnsons - and those who don't like David Brooks articles, who I'll call The Lamars. And The Bore is definitely the latter.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 04:12:17 AM

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/245152-issa-escorted-out-of-benghazi-deposition

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Former House Oversight Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) tried to crash former Hillary Clinton adviser Sidney Blumenthal’s deposition before the House Select Committee on Benghazi on Tuesday.

Issa marched into the closed-door deposition and remained inside for about a minute before he was escorted out by the panel’s chairman, Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.).

The pair briefly exchanged hushed words in a nearby hallway before Issa stormed off, throwing an empty soda can into a nearby trash bin.

NBC News producer Frank Thorp posted a video showing Gowdy and Issa.

https://vine.co/v/ee0j2MTpDeq

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 04:16:48 AM

First time I can remember seeing these crosstabs on second choices in a while:
(http://i.imgur.com/4SAhqHk.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/JjODBec.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 17, 2015, 06:07:27 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 15, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

Colt Firearms is skint.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/behind-colts-bankruptcy-financial-engineering-that-backfired/ar-BBlb4My

How is this shit legal? To so blatently pillage a company? If it weren't held by some rapacious private equity group somebody would be in handcuffs by now, right?

Hell, this crap makes me so angry I feel bad for a gun manufacturer.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 07:15:42 AM

http://www.vox.com/2015/6/16/8793575/Republican-plan-Obama-trade-bill

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Congressional Republican leaders are considering a legislative maneuver that could salvage President Barack Obama's trade agenda, senior GOP aides said late Tuesday.

...

Now, Republican leaders are trying to figure out a way for the Senate to vote for the fast-track bill without TAA. In the scenario envisioned by GOP leaders — which they haven't yet committed to — the House would pass the fast-track bill without TAA and send it to the Senate (though fast-track already passed, the House would still need to vote on it again for procedural reasons). Then, pro-trade Senate Democrats would be asked to vote for the fast-track bill with a promise that the TAA bill would also pass the House and be signed by President Barack Obama later. That's a tall order in and of itself. But the idea is that if fast track has already passed in the Senate, then House Democrats would have nothing to lose by backing TAA, and it'd be much likelier to pass.

...

Senior Senate Democratic aides said Tuesday that the chances of the plan making it through the gauntlet are low, but not zero.

"Unlikely, but too early to say," one Democratic aide said.

It is the "only play" for the White House and congressional GOP leaders who want to ensure that fast-track authority and the Pacific Rim trade deal get done, said one veteran House Democrat.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2015, 09:37:55 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 16, 2015, 02:51:31 PM

Those first few Republican debates are going to be must-watch television now with Trump. 

Say what you will about Trump, he does have a certain amount of charisma. It will be interesting to see how much he dwarfs the others he's on stage with.

Trump's got charisma, but he's also got no filter and no reason to care what anybody thinks about the things he says:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/stewart-trump-2016

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2015, 10:41:32 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 17, 2015, 06:07:27 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 15, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

Colt Firearms is skint.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/behind-colts-bankruptcy-financial-engineering-that-backfired/ar-BBlb4My

How is this shit legal? To so blatently pillage a company? If it weren't held by some rapacious private equity group somebody would be in handcuffs by now, right?

Hell, this crap makes me so angry I feel bad for a gun manufacturer.

Just remember, it was a company whose purpose was to make it easier to kill people.

As for legality, in the interests of brevity, fiduciary duty has been (generally speaking) narrowly defined by the Delaware Court of Chancery for some time. (Most legal entities of note--Colt included (http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1508677/000095016213000054/form8k.htm)--operate out of Delaware.) Legal reasoning and human reasoning are unfortunately quite incompatible much of the time.

I'd also add to this that the carrion activities of owners like the equity firm are simply the sort of thing that happens in closely held family entities but unencumbered by capital limitations. (When a family business fails it's much more difficult to find something else to suck dry than it is for an entity whose purpose is to acquire and suck dry other entities.) Yes, my aunt and uncle who run the Gamecube Hut loot that thing like it's an upscale electronics retailer caught in a civil disturbance.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 10:56:30 AM

Witless Ape Rides Escalator (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419853/witless-ape-rides-escalator-kevin-d-williamson)

Quote

by KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON   June 16, 2015 4:30 PM

Donald Trump may be the man America needs. Having been through four bankruptcies, the ridiculous buffoon with the worst taste since Caligula is uniquely positioned to lead the most indebted organization in the history of the human race.

The Trump conglomerate is the Argentina of limited-liability companies, having been in bankruptcy as recently as 2009. To be sure, a lot of companies went bankrupt around then. The Trump gang went bankrupt in 2004, too, and in 2001. Before that, Trump was in bankruptcy court back in 1991 when his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City — the nation’s first casino-cum-strip-club, an aesthetic crime against humanity that is tacky by the standards of Atlantic City — turned out to be such a loser that Trump could not make his debt payments.

The closing of that casino has been announced at least twice — it was supposed to shut its doors in December, but it limps on.

Donald Trump, being Donald Trump, announced his candidacy at Trump Plaza, making a weird grand entrance via escalator — going down, of course, the symbolism of which is lost on that witless ape. But who could witness that scene — the self-made man who started with nothing but a modest portfolio of 27,000 New York City properties acquired by his millionaire slumlord father, barely out of his latest bankruptcy and possibly headed for another one as the casino/jiggle-joint bearing his name sinks into the filthy mire of the one U.S. city that makes Las Vegas look respectable, a reality-television grotesque with his plastic-surgery-disaster wife, grunting like a baboon about our country’s “brand” and his own vast wealth — and not see the peerless sign of our times?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2015, 11:00:54 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 17, 2015, 06:07:27 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 15, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

Colt Firearms is skint.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/behind-colts-bankruptcy-financial-engineering-that-backfired/ar-BBlb4My

How is this shit legal? To so blatently pillage a company? If it weren't held by some rapacious private equity group somebody would be in handcuffs by now, right?

Hell, this crap makes me so angry I feel bad for a gun manufacturer.

Didn't Mitt Rmoney use Bain to do the exact same thing to other companies?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2015, 11:02:42 AM

Capitalism is comin' fo' mah gunz.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 17, 2015, 11:27:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 10:56:30 AM

Witless Ape Rides Escalator (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419853/witless-ape-rides-escalator-kevin-d-williamson)

Quote

by KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON   June 16, 2015 4:30 PM

Donald Trump may be the man America needs. Having been through four bankruptcies, the ridiculous buffoon with the worst taste since Caligula is uniquely positioned to lead the most indebted organization in the history of the human race.

The Trump conglomerate is the Argentina of limited-liability companies, having been in bankruptcy as recently as 2009. To be sure, a lot of companies went bankrupt around then. The Trump gang went bankrupt in 2004, too, and in 2001. Before that, Trump was in bankruptcy court back in 1991 when his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City — the nation’s first casino-cum-strip-club, an aesthetic crime against humanity that is tacky by the standards of Atlantic City — turned out to be such a loser that Trump could not make his debt payments.

The closing of that casino has been announced at least twice — it was supposed to shut its doors in December, but it limps on.

Donald Trump, being Donald Trump, announced his candidacy at Trump Plaza, making a weird grand entrance via escalator — going down, of course, the symbolism of which is lost on that witless ape. But who could witness that scene — the self-made man who started with nothing but a modest portfolio of 27,000 New York City properties acquired by his millionaire slumlord father, barely out of his latest bankruptcy and possibly headed for another one as the casino/jiggle-joint bearing his name sinks into the filthy mire of the one U.S. city that makes Las Vegas look respectable, a reality-television grotesque with his plastic-surgery-disaster wife, grunting like a baboon about our country’s “brand” and his own vast wealth — and not see the peerless sign of our times?

we gon eat good as long as The Donald stays in the race :rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mupepe on June 17, 2015, 11:55:21 AM

Quote from: Esch on June 17, 2015, 11:00:59 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 15, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

Colt Firearms is skint.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/behind-colts-bankruptcy-financial-engineering-that-backfired/ar-BBlb4My

wow.

when i think gun, i think m1911 and variants. used to be in all those old movies :usacry

Same here.  As a gun enthusiast (not a nut!) it really sucks.  They make some quality handguns and rifles if you don't want one that isn't almost completely MIM.  Plus that damn pony is so fucking iconic.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 17, 2015, 12:15:39 PM

Holy shit at that Trump speech.  :money
"Mexicans are rapists, drug dealers and criminals. There's probably decent ones, I guess."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2015, 01:02:27 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 17, 2015, 11:00:54 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 17, 2015, 06:07:27 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 15, 2015, 06:14:16 PM

Colt Firearms is skint.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/behind-colts-bankruptcy-financial-engineering-that-backfired/ar-BBlb4My

How is this shit legal? To so blatently pillage a company? If it weren't held by some rapacious private equity group somebody would be in handcuffs by now, right?

Hell, this crap makes me so angry I feel bad for a gun manufacturer.

Didn't Mitt Rmoney use Bain to do the exact same thing to other companies?

Scrape off everything of value, pump the shell full of debt, make out like a bandit. :bow

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2015, 01:29:01 PM

It's a Ch. 11 bankruptcy, if I remember correctly. Colt should still exist after its current owners tire of sucking it dry. Cheer up, my fellow Americans. :american

Worst case scenario it'll end up an arm of European death peddler like Browning is.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2015, 01:32:38 PM

I was reading the history of Colt and got a laugh when I learned that the company actually lost money during WWII (despite having multiple contracts). That's some epic levels of mismanagement.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 17, 2015, 01:39:11 PM

Obviously not privy with Colt inner workings, and I certainly won't argue that predatory finance is not a thing, but couldn't their situation be partly justified, market wise ? Those very old companies (and "familial" to quote Vularai) tend to hard code into themselves some complacency or poor gestion when the money flows in and it's really hard to rock centuries old roots. I'm somewhat experiencing that (at a low level) in my current position... A lot of comments in the original link alludes to that with consumers saying that Colt is too expensive compared to its competitors, while the quality of products have gone down.

I don't have an hard on for capitalism, but sometimes Ch.11 are justified...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 17, 2015, 01:51:56 PM

Still not sure how this is a reality, but every day Trump is in the race is a gift.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charles-krauthammer-donald-trump-xenophobia

Quote

“It was stream of consciousness,” Krauthammer said. “I think his single most important statement was ‘I am very rich.’ That’s the basis for the campaign.”

...

Krauthammer did concede Trump had one redeeming characteristic: “He is very rich.”

:lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 17, 2015, 01:54:14 PM

This campaign is serious and should be run on moderately informed xenophobia.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2015, 02:33:24 PM

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/06/16/gun-maker-colt-neared-bankruptcy-made-payments-nra-political-allies-former-general-mcchrsytal/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2015, 03:07:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 17, 2015, 01:51:56 PM

Still not sure how this is a reality, but every day Trump is in the race is a gift.

]

A Trump/Palin ticket is what we deserve.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2015, 03:38:36 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 17, 2015, 03:07:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 17, 2015, 01:51:56 PM

Still not sure how this is a reality, but every day Trump is in the race is a gift.

]

A Trump/Palin ticket is what we deserve.

Nah, gotta be Trump/Fiorina.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 17, 2015, 04:05:10 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/with-eye-on-fiscal-armageddon-texas-set-to-repatriate-its-gold-to-new-texas-fort-know

 :cac

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 17, 2015, 04:13:15 PM

the only thing Trump ever did that impressed me was balling on the Ali G interview about five seconds in.

can't shit a shitter, I suppose.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2015, 04:39:18 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 17, 2015, 01:39:11 PM

Obviously not privy with Colt inner workings, and I certainly won't argue that predatory finance is not a thing, but couldn't their situation be partly justified, market wise ? Those very old companies (and "familial" to quote Vularai) tend to hard code into themselves some complacency or poor gestion when the money flows in and it's really hard to rock centuries old roots. I'm somewhat experiencing that (at a low level) in my current position... A lot of comments in the original link alludes to that with consumers saying that Colt is too expensive compared to its competitors, while the quality of products have gone down.

I don't have an hard on for capitalism, but sometimes Ch.11 are justified...

I think the furor is not so much that a company that made bad business decisions is being disciplined, but that its ownership extracted money from it while disregarding its liquidity needs and that current law permits / encourages this behavior.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444592704578064672995070116

As I said though, the furor is predicated on a rosy idealization of the system. Ages ago I made a tl;dr post here somewhere about how businesses function almost like a bank to their ownership. The only difference here is that the equity firms aren't loaning their own money to their holdings and thus have less personal interest in their continued existence.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 17, 2015, 06:53:53 PM

If this sort of behavior was ever going to make headlines it would've been when Cerberus did it to Chrysler, and it didn't

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2015, 07:10:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFVC3qYGYiE

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: chronovore on June 17, 2015, 09:02:55 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 17, 2015, 10:56:30 AM

Witless Ape Rides Escalator (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419853/witless-ape-rides-escalator-kevin-d-williamson)

Quote

by KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON   June 16, 2015 4:30 PM

Donald Trump may be the man America needs. Having been through four bankruptcies, the ridiculous buffoon with the worst taste since Caligula is uniquely positioned to lead the most indebted organization in the history of the human race.

The Trump conglomerate is the Argentina of limited-liability companies, having been in bankruptcy as recently as 2009. To be sure, a lot of companies went bankrupt around then. The Trump gang went bankrupt in 2004, too, and in 2001. Before that, Trump was in bankruptcy court back in 1991 when his Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City — the nation’s first casino-cum-strip-club, an aesthetic crime against humanity that is tacky by the standards of Atlantic City — turned out to be such a loser that Trump could not make his debt payments.

The closing of that casino has been announced at least twice — it was supposed to shut its doors in December, but it limps on.

Donald Trump, being Donald Trump, announced his candidacy at Trump Plaza, making a weird grand entrance via escalator — going down, of course, the symbolism of which is lost on that witless ape. But who could witness that scene — the self-made man who started with nothing but a modest portfolio of 27,000 New York City properties acquired by his millionaire slumlord father, barely out of his latest bankruptcy and possibly headed for another one as the casino/jiggle-joint bearing his name sinks into the filthy mire of the one U.S. city that makes Las Vegas look respectable, a reality-television grotesque with his plastic-surgery-disaster wife, grunting like a baboon about our country’s “brand” and his own vast wealth — and not see the peerless sign of our times?

Trump is the living embodiment of a Paul Piff lecture.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brawndolicious on June 17, 2015, 10:20:37 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 17, 2015, 04:05:10 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/cafe/with-eye-on-fiscal-armageddon-texas-set-to-repatriate-its-gold-to-new-texas-fort-know

 :cac

Gold is the one true savior. Giving a bonfire of the vanities for the Yankee dolla.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 18, 2015, 01:53:27 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 17, 2015, 06:53:53 PM

If this sort of behavior was ever going to make headlines it would've been when Cerberus did it to Chrysler, and it didn't

Nor did Bain Capital really seem to stick to Romney even when he presented himself as a productive businessman.

It's difficult to explain why this stuff is "bad" to a layperson beyond relying on lazy emotional appeals. And even if it weren't difficult, enforcing any kind of changes from a regulatory framework seems unrealistic so that just compounds the apathy the subject already generates.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 18, 2015, 03:20:15 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 17, 2015, 04:39:18 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 17, 2015, 01:39:11 PM

Obviously not privy with Colt inner workings, and I certainly won't argue that predatory finance is not a thing, but couldn't their situation be partly justified, market wise ? Those very old companies (and "familial" to quote Vularai) tend to hard code into themselves some complacency or poor gestion when the money flows in and it's really hard to rock centuries old roots. I'm somewhat experiencing that (at a low level) in my current position... A lot of comments in the original link alludes to that with consumers saying that Colt is too expensive compared to its competitors, while the quality of products have gone down.

I don't have an hard on for capitalism, but sometimes Ch.11 are justified...

I think the furor is not so much that a company that made bad business decisions is being disciplined, but that its ownership extracted money from it while disregarding its liquidity needs and that current law permits / encourages this behavior.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444592704578064672995070116

As I said though, the furor is predicated on a rosy idealization of the system. Ages ago I made a tl;dr post here somewhere about how businesses function almost like a bank to their ownership. The only difference here is that the equity firms aren't loaning their own money to their holdings and thus have less personal interest in their continued existence.

Well to be honest it is so to be expected that I didn't bat an eye for it  :lol
Top management in a lot of companies has become this byzantine distinct world of auditors, advisors, trust funds playing banto with excel sheets. Like politics, it has evolved into a specialized field that lives on its own with little connection to the actual work done in the office and workshops. The company I work for has had a transitional direction for a year manned by an audit company, that was hastily replaced by another transitional direction from another cabinet. It's confusing as hell, the only certainty we have is that ultimately employees will be fucked over.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 06:59:45 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 18, 2015, 01:53:27 AM

Nor did Bain Capital really seem to stick to Romney even when he presented himself as a productive businessman.

It's difficult to explain why this stuff is "bad" to a layperson beyond relying on lazy emotional appeals. And even if it weren't difficult, enforcing any kind of changes from a regulatory framework seems unrealistic so that just compounds the apathy the subject already generates.

It hurt him in 1994 against Kennedy.

But the Kennedy team found if they went too far into what he was actually doing at Bain, the attacks just confused people, so they spiked things like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c0y3FDgxf8

And went for something simpler:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyvy3Ze_fqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKY1a3BPjrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_8pMO8afI0

[close]

In 2012, Obama wasn't exactly in great position to get on somebody about screwing over small parties to raid for the advantage of capital firms. Not that his supporters would have cared, or the GOP.

Random because I found it in the related:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mfq6_566vzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMMe-v-J9to

[close]

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 07:00:31 AM

Speaking of Rick Perry, top favorite ad from old timey days:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC1i9qLUgPY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81hP7418O8c

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mupepe on June 18, 2015, 08:47:08 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 17, 2015, 01:39:11 PM

Obviously not privy with Colt inner workings, and I certainly won't argue that predatory finance is not a thing, but couldn't their situation be partly justified, market wise ? Those very old companies (and "familial" to quote Vularai) tend to hard code into themselves some complacency or poor gestion when the money flows in and it's really hard to rock centuries old roots. I'm somewhat experiencing that (at a low level) in my current position... A lot of comments in the original link alludes to that with consumers saying that Colt is too expensive compared to its competitors, while the quality of products have gone down.

I don't have an hard on for capitalism, but sometimes Ch.11 are justified...

Colts are expensive guns.  But not for their quality.  Most people buy cheap ass guns.  A Springfield Armory 1911 is about half the cost of a Colt but hold them side by side and yeah, you see why.  And guns actually made in America just tend to be more expensive (for obvious reasons).  People just aren't willing to pay for it.  The average gun owner doesn't know enough or actually shoot enough to know the differences between the different types of metals and fit/finish discrepancies. 

I've got no insight into how they run as an organization obviously but their cost/quality ratio is about fair I'd say.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 18, 2015, 09:01:45 AM

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/06/18/barack-obama-marc-maron-wtf-podcast


Obama is doing Marc Maron's podcast. He's actually going to do it in Marc's garage. lol

I've been a listener since the first few episodes, so this is a total mindfuck.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 18, 2015, 06:01:26 PM

I hope he says fuck :hyper

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brob on June 18, 2015, 06:56:01 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 18, 2015, 06:01:26 PM

I hope he says fuck :hyper

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de5F8rrZEsU

:drudge :omg :omg :omg :drudge

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2015, 11:54:57 PM

Where was Barack Hussein Obama to take these tough interviews as Benghazi was happening? Or during 2012?

I didn't see him on Between Two Ferns to explain himself then.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 03:53:29 AM

Supreme Court Says Texas Can Reject Confederate Flag License Plates (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/19/us/supreme-court-says-texas-can-reject-confederate-flag-license-plates.html)

Quote

The Supreme Court ruled on Thursday that Texas did not violate the First Amendment when it refused to allow specialty license plates bearing the Confederate battle flag. Such plates, Justice Stephen G. Breyer wrote for the majority, are the government’s speech and are thus immune from First Amendment attacks.

The vote was 5 to 4. The court’s other three liberal members joined Justice Breyer’s majority opinion, as did Justice Clarence Thomas.

...

In dissent, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. wrote that the majority opinion “establishes a precedent that threatens private speech that the government finds displeasing.”

Texas has hundreds of specialty plates. Many are for college alumni, sports fans, businesses and service organizations. Others send messages like “Choose Life,” “God Bless Texas” and “Fight Terrorism.” The license plates are, Justice Alito wrote, “little mobile billboards on which motorists can display their own messages.”

He mocked the notion that, say, plates saying “Rather Be Golfing” or celebrating the University of Oklahoma conveyed a government message. The first, he said, cannot represent state policy. The second, in Texas at least, bordered on treason during college football season, he wrote.

...

The Supreme Court last considered what the First Amendment had to say about license plates was in 1977, when it ruled in Wooley v. Maynard that New Hampshire could not require people to display plates bearing the state’s motto, “Live Free or Die.”

Justice Breyer said Thursday’s decision was its mirror image. Texas cannot force the heritage group to convey its message, he wrote, and the group “cannot force Texas to include a Confederate battle flag on its specialty license plates.”

how is this even a case, i don't want to read their dissent but are they really suggesting the states have to make a customized plate for any group that wanted one?

thomas-sotomeyer team-ups continuing to produce the best opinions



Rep. Kinzinger Blames Drudge For Obamatrade Delay (http://usofarn.com/2015/06/17/rep-kinzinger-blames-drudge-for-obamatrade-delay/)

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Illinois Republican congressman Adam Kinzinger Wednesday morning in an interview with 1440 WROK blamed Matt Drudge’s Drudge Report and other new media outlets for delaying Republican leaderships plans to give President Obama “fast track” trade authority and ultimate approval of the Trans Pacific Partnership(TPP), also known as Obamatrade.

Kinzinger said, “(TPP) Does not exist yet, so there’s been a lot of, you know, if you look at Drudge or you look at Obamatrade(website), people are saying ‘you know Paul Ryan said its in secret and you’ve gotta pass it to find out whats in it’, well that’s not true.”

Kinzinger also said, ” A lot of where this misinformation has come from, it’s actually amazing. I saw Paul Ryan on Fox & Friends and even the anchors did not really know the difference between TPA, TAA, TPA. Where a lot of the misinformation comes from by the way I think it’s this website called obamatrade.com or something,”

aww the guy gets a little pity link in the corner on drudge with the other stories on OBAMATRADE



Martin O'Malley: Zero out fossil fuels by 2050 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2015/06/18/pope-francis-encyclical-clean-energy-technology-campaign-column/28859409/)

Quote

Saving the world is a goal worthy of a great people. It is also good business for the United States of America.

I believe, within 35 years, our country can, and should, be 100% powered by clean energy, supported by millions of new jobs. To reach this goal we must accelerate that transition starting now.

As president, on day one, I would use my executive power to declare the transition to a clean energy future the number one priority of our Federal Government.

I would create a new Clean Energy Jobs Corps to partner with communities to retrofit buildings to be more energy efficient, improve local resiliency, create new green spaces, and restore and expand our forests so they can absorb more greenhouse gases.

I would retrofit federal buildings to the highest efficiency standards and require new federal buildings to be net-zero, require the federal fleet to be subject to low- or zero-emissions purchasing agreements, and require all federally-funded infrastructure projects to meet climate resiliency standards.

...

I would set a national, cross-sector Renewable Electricity Standard so our nation is powered by 100% clean energy by 2050, and a national goal of doubling energy efficiency within 15 years. Many states like California and Maryland are already leading the way forward for the United States.

As president, I would support a Clean Energy Financing Authority to support projects to increase efficiency and resiliency upgrades in cities, towns, and rural communities nationwide.

I would prioritize modernizing our electric grid to evolve to support localized, renewable energy generation, reduce electricity waste and increase security from sabotage or attack.

And I would increase our investment in basic clean energy research so the U.S. can reclaim the lead on energy innovation, including advancing development, deployment, transmission and storage for renewable energy and new efficiency technologies.

The fact is, there is no either/or choice between our prosperity and protecting our planet — we can create a future where there are more jobs, and a future with a livable climate. And there is no future for humankind without a livable climate.

The reality, as I learned in Maryland, is that the two goals are indivisible.

Mocking the "saving the world",  "no future for humankind", etc. aside, I feel like there's probably at least one Obama/Hillary/Edwards column/op-ed/speech with these same exact proposals from 2007. And a slightly different Al Gore one from 1999. Probably a Kerry one in 2004. And probably not drastically different ones from say Johm McCain or Mitt Romney in 2007.

Oh wait, McCain gave that "straight talk" to Iowa about Ethanol at some point. So maybe Rudy...

I like how all the proposals have CLEAN ENERGY in their name. Like it's some thing that exists out there in the ether ready to be pulled down.

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I would set a national, cross-sector Renewable Electricity Standard so our nation is powered by 100% clean energy by 2050

I assume the media will be asking him what exactly this is supposed to mean, look like or be accomplished.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 19, 2015, 04:01:10 AM

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I like how all the proposals have CLEAN ENERGY in their name. Like it's some thing that exists out there in the ether ready to be pulled down.

Well, isn't nuclear pretty clean ?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 04:04:42 AM

Quote from: Alito; joined by Roberts, Kennedy and Scalia

This capacious understanding of government speech takes a large and painful bite out of the First Amendment. Specialty plates may seem innocuous. They make motorists happy, and they put money in a State’s coffers. But the precedent this case sets is dangerous. While all license plates unquestionably contain some government speech (e.g., the name of the State and the numbers and/or letters identifying the vehicle), the State of Texas has converted the remaining space on its specialty plates into little mobile billboards on which motorists can display their own messages. And what Texas did here was to reject one of the messages that members of a private group wanted to post on some of these little billboards because the State thought that many of its citizens would find the message offensive. That is blatant viewpoint discrimination.

If the State can do this with its little mobile billboards,could it do the same with big, stationary billboards? Suppose that a State erected electronic billboards along its highways. Suppose that the State posted some government messages on these billboards and then, to raise money, allowed private entities and individuals to purchase the right to post their own messages. And suppose that the State allowed only those messages that it liked or found not too controversial. Would that be constitutional? What if a state college or university did the same thing with a similar billboard or a campus bulletin board or dorm list serve? What if it allowed private messages that are consistent with prevailing views on campus but banned those that disturbed some students or faculty?  Can there be any doubt that these examples of viewpoint discrimination would violate the First Amendment? I hope not, but the future uses of today’s precedent remain to be seen.

...

The Texas specialty plate program also does not exhibit the “selective receptivity” present in Summum. To the contrary, Texas’s program is not selective by design. The Board’s chairman, who is charged with approving designs, explained that the program’s purpose is “to encourage private plates” in order to “generate additional revenue for the state.” Ibid., 58. And most of the time, the Board “bases [its] decisions on rules that primarily deal with reflectivity and readability.” Ibid. A Department brochure explains: “Q. Who provides the plate design? A. You do, though your design is subject to reflectivity, legibility, and design standards.” Id., at 67.b.

Pressed to come up with any evidence that the State has exercised “selective receptivity,” Texas (and the Court) rely primarily on sketchy information not contained in the record, specifically that the Board’s predecessor (might have) rejected a “pro-life” plate and perhaps others on the ground that they contained messages that were offensive. See ante, at 11 (citing Reply Brief 10 and Tr. of Oral Arg. 49–51). But even if this happened, it shows only that the present case may not be the only one in which the State has exercised viewpoint discrimination.

Texas’s only other (also extrarecord) evidence of selectivity concerns a proposed plate that was thought to create a threat to the fair enforcement of the State’s motor vehicle laws.

...

The constitutionality of this Board action does not necessarily turn on whether approval of this plate would have made the message government speech. If, as I believe, the  Texas specialty plate program created a limited public forum, private speech may be excluded if it is inconsistent with the purpose of the forum. Rosenberger, 515 U. S., at 829. Thus, even if Texas’s extrarecord information is taken into account, the picture here is different from that in Summum. Texas does not take care to approve only those proposed plates that convey messages that the State supports. Instead, it proclaims that it is open to all private messages—except those, like the SCV plate, that would offend some who viewed them. The Court believes that messages on privately created plates are government speech because motorists want a seal of state approval for their messages and therefore prefer plates over bumper stickers. Ante, at 10–11. This is dangerous reasoning. There is a big difference between government speech (that is, speech by the government in furtherance of its programs) and governmental blessing (or condemnation) of private speech. Many private speakers in a forum would welcome a sign of government approval. But in the realm of private speech, government regulation may not favor one viewpoint over another.

...

States have not adopted specialty license plate programs like Texas’s because they are now bursting with things they want to say on their license plates. Those programs were adopted because they bring in money. Texas makes public the revenue totals generated by its specialty plate program, and it is apparent that the program brings in many millions of dollars every year. See http://www.txdmv.gov/reports-and-data/doc_download/5050–specialty-plates-revenue-fy-1994-2014.

Texas has space available on millions of little mobile billboards. And Texas, in effect, sells that space to those who wish to use it to express a personal message—provided only that the message does not express a viewpoint that the State finds unacceptable. That is not government speech; it is the regulation of private speech.

...

Messages that are proposed by private parties and placed on Texas specialty plates are private speech, not government speech. Texas cannot forbid private speech based on its viewpoint. That is what it did here. Because the Court approves this violation of the First Amendment, I respectfully dissent.

:mindblown

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 04:34:44 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 19, 2015, 04:01:10 AM

Well, isn't nuclear pretty clean ?

Comparatively, and O'Malley actually has endorsed nuclear expansion for years, but anti-nuclear feelings are still fairly strong in the U.S. and it's across party lines though a bit stronger in the Green/Democrat/Environmentalist movement, there hasn't been a new nuclear plant put into service since something like 1996 or 1997. And only in 2012 did the government finally sign off on some reactors that had been shuffling around the bureaucracy probably since then.

It does produce waste though.

Another factor is probably our strong anti-French sentiment. They get like 80% of their power from nuclear so something clearly is wrong about it, we don't want to be like those French distinguished fellows.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 19, 2015, 05:27:34 AM

France is supposed under its current governement to aim for more renewable energy bringing the nuclear share to only 50% by 2050 I believe. Areva, the french nuclear company, is going through hard times as well and will be incorporated back under a closer Electricité de France tutelage.  But really I think nuclear energy will still be the backbone for France well into the future. I think nuclear is the best option but can't be generalized with the current level of technology, too pricey, complex and would put a strand on Uranium supplies. Things will maybe change if the industry can achieve the pie-in-the-sky new generation that would make it way more efficient. It's a shame too that scare-mongering is so ingrained with the issue : Nuclear is the only cleanerish option we have to sustain a massive energy network (with hydroelectricity, but you cannot build a dam anywhere and everywhere...), but it is close to impossible to say out loud in a conversation of arguably strategic importance.

Retrofitting when possible and imposing new building norms for energy conservation is a much sensible policy but a long term one. My little knowledge on the subject is that reducing the actual demand for energy worldwide in the future is a ludicrous proposition. On the other hand, coal is a fucking health hazard and oil should be managed with care. Only way out is to be more efficient (and clean if possible).

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 05:50:06 AM

The interesting thing is that some of the new planned reactor designs' waste can be used in other type of plants as their fuel and I think that's an intriguing path to pursue rather than trying to impossibly drill down the cost of something like solar. The regulators currently don't care for it since "waste is waste" similar to how "radiation is radiation" but I imagine that could change if they start getting built in places like China and can be pointed to. Industry people get gaga over stuff like Thorium reactors until you ask about costs.

The U.S. designs aren't as safe as France's mostly because they're so old they don't have all the new fangled upgrades, but nuclear plants in the West have none of the dangers that the Soviet built ones had yet Chernobyl is what people think of*. Japan was a special case where the thing had been battered by a tsunami. (And to be fair, had a history of maintenance issues.)

Germany's "fuck nuclear" was one of the stupider responses. Polled well though, like 90% or some shit.

*And even that was only mildly a design flaw IIRC, it was a fuck up by everyone involved it's like the ultimate how not to handle a meltdown guide. The design flaws just meant instead of leaking out radiation after their fuck ups the thing exploded. And then the Soviets being the Soviets rather than follow more safety procedures were like "round everyone up, nothing to see here, fence it off, bye." I've read that one of the closed towns actually was a similar situation with a chemical plant of some kind. Then there's that one where the closed city is full of ungodly pollution because of the steel plants.

Long story short, the Soviets weren't too concerned about things like safety and following procedures when you can cover it up. Chernobyl was impossible to cover up because of that explosion.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2015, 07:17:33 AM

The impression I have of nuclear power is massive cost overruns -> we've got a new design, this time it will be different -> it's not different -> please understand.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 07:21:27 AM

I think you could replace "nuclear power" with most any capital-intensive project.  :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 07:48:40 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/john-kasich-replace-jeb-bush-2016-candidate-119191.html

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Operation Replace Jeb Bush
John Kasich is on a last-ditch mission to prove he can be the Republican establishment’s dream candidate in 2016.

Sensing the window of opportunity is closing, John Kasich is on a last-minute dash across the country to convince party donors and power-brokers that there’s room for one more candidate in the most crowded Republican presidential field in decades.

The Ohio governor, who’s expected to formally announce his White House bid next month, is jetting to America’s political money capitals — from Dallas to New York City to Palm Beach — with the goal of securing the financial support he’ll need to wage a 2016 campaign.

He’s huddled with Ann Romney at a lavish Utah ski resort and pushed to win the backing of a powerful longtime friend, media mogul Rupert Murdoch. He’s also tried to convince Ohio’s deepest-pocketed donors to keep their powder dry and not commit until he gets into the race.

The case for his candidacy is grounded in his record as a popular swing state governor. But part of his sell to donors is that Jeb Bush has run an ineffective campaign, creating an opening for a candidate who happens to fit Kasich’s own profile.

Coincidentally there was an Ohio poll just released in which Kasich was the only Republican to beat Hillary, 47-40.

Though he doesn't really dominate the field:

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Kasich 19, Bush 9, Walker 8, Rubio 7, Huckabee 7, Paul 7, Carson 6, Cruz 6, Christie 3, Perry 2, Santorum 2, Graham 2, Trump 1, Fiorina 1

That's comparable to Jeb and Rubio in their own states:

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Bush 20, Rubio 18, Walker 9, Carson 7, Huckabee 6, Paul 5, Christie 3, Cruz 3, Perry 4, Trump 3, Fiorina 2, Kasich 1, Jindal 1, Santorum 1

Pennsylvania is a bit more like the national polls, mass confusion, except for a bump on favorite son Santorum:

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Rubio 12, Paul 11, Bush 10, Carson 10, Walker 9, Santorum 7, Huckabee 6, Christie 6, Cruz 5, Trump 4, Perry 1, Fiorina 1, Kasich 1, Graham 1

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2015, 09:25:25 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 04:04:42 AM

Quote from: Alito; joined by Roberts, Kennedy and Scalia

This capacious understanding of government speech takes a large and painful bite out of the First Amendment. Specialty plates may seem innocuous. They make motorists happy, and they put money in a State’s coffers. But the precedent this case sets is dangerous.

:mindblown

Roberts and Alito need to stumble across some magic elixir that instantly ages them by about 30 years.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 09:38:03 AM

The dissenting opinion has a six page appendix of examples of specialty Texas license plates. :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2015, 09:47:20 AM

Specialty plates and vanity plates are horrible things owned by horrible people.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 09:48:10 AM

Why did I read that excerpt of the dissent. :goty2

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 09:51:10 AM

Cato's amicus brief lists among its citations:

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P.J. O'Rourke, Foreigners of the World: A Brief Survey of the Various Foreign Types, Their Chief Characteristics, Customs, and Manners, Nat’l Lampoon, May 1976
Gilmore Girls (Warner Bros. 2000-2007)
Full House (ABC 1987-1995)
America’s Funniest Home Videos (ABC 1989-97)
Frank Rich, In Conversation: Chris Rock, Vulture.com, Nov. 30, 2014
The Avengers (Marvel Studios 2012)
The Aristocrats (ThinkFilm 2005)

A footnote:

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As far as treatment of bad behavior goes, amici prefer the subtle social pressures of the fictional Stars Hollow, Connecticut, see generally Gilmore Girls (Warner Bros. 2000-2007), to those heavy-handed tin-ears of Middleborough, Mass.

Wait, another:

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One research fellow at amicus Cato is a die-hard Sooners fan. While he appreciates the OU tag, he is offended by the very existence of Texas and respectfully suggests that, as an alternative way to dispose of this case, this Court could rule that Texas is unconstitutional. Or, better yet, make it part of Oklahoma. That would really help with recruiting.

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 10:00:15 AM

America stands for freedom
But if you think you're free
Try going to the Texas Department of Motor Vehicles
And asking for a custom plate celebrating the Confederacy

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 19, 2015, 10:00:58 AM

An Ohio Republican will never become the presidential candidate. They have to maintain too 'middle of the road' on their conservatism and it won't play in the south. Voinovich had the same problems.

The only current Ohioan that has a shot is Sherrod Brown. But he's probably not polished enough for a national campaign.

 

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 19, 2015, 10:05:27 AM

I worked with a guy who was a business intelligence geek that took it too far.

He had some custom plates that read B I Guy. He was boasting about how he just got them and I was like "So your license plate says you're a bi guy?"

He was like :brazilcry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 10:10:02 AM

A couple weeks ago at the rapists office a SUV had the plate 24-7 MOM, she was there for their yoga and was a perfect stereotype.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 10:26:30 AM

I spend a good chunk of my life on the road. I know of some real bad California license plates. :expert

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2015, 12:40:17 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 19, 2015, 12:08:41 PM

I know an ex-footballer who would get my vote.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/ec/f4/e2/ecf4e2bc5f7eddb6cc56f7ebe98865e5.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 19, 2015, 03:02:15 PM

Y'all heard of this book Code Red? http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00A0QDJP2?ref=aw_sitb_digital-text the author was just on local community radio and it all sounded very  :holeup :usacry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 19, 2015, 04:38:58 PM

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But with respect to Ms. Kendall, this hateful man’s use of a slogan is no proof that the slogan itself is hateful. Elected leaders make this distinction constantly when it comes to Islamic terrorism, after all: The teachings of Muhammad, the Koran, the black flag with the Shahada (the flag of ISIS) — they have been “hijacked” and “perverted.” Why hasn’t Dylann Roof merely “hijacked” or “perverted” the main symbol of the Confederacy?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/420003/blood-stained-banner-charleston-ian-tuttle

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 19, 2015, 04:50:36 PM

Use "Koran" in 2015 brehs.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2015, 04:08:42 AM

http://reason.com/blog/2015/06/19/government-stifles-speech

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For the past two weeks, Reason, a magazine dedicated to "Free Minds and Free Markets," has been barred by an order from the U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York from speaking publicly about a grand jury subpoena that court sent to Reason.com.

The subpoena demanded the records of six people who left hyperbolic comments at the website about the federal judge who oversaw the controversial conviction of Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht. Shortly after the subpoena was issued, the government issued a gag order prohibiting Reason not only from discussing the matter but even acknowledging the existence of the subpoena or the gag order itself.

...

On May 31, Nick Gillespie published a post at Reason.com's Hit & Run blog discussing Silk Road founder Ross Ulbricht's "haunting sentencing letter" to District Court Judge Katherine Forrest, and the judge's harsh response. Gillespie noted that Forrest "more than threw the book" at Ulbricht by giving him a life sentence, which was a punishment "beyond even what prosecutors...asked for."

In the comments section of the post, six readers published reactions that drew the investigative ire of the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York. In a federal grand jury subpoena dated June 2, the U.S. District Court commanded Reason.com to turn over "any and all identifying information" we had about the individuals posting those comments.

This is the first time Reason.com has received such a subpoena from any arm of government.

From press accounts of similar actions at other news publications and social media sites, we know that it is increasingly common for the federal government to demand user information from publications and websites while also stifling their speech rights with gag orders and letters requesting "voluntary" confidentiality. Exactly how common is anyone's guess; we are currently investigating just how widespread the practice may be.

...

U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara subpoenaed all of the identifying information we had about the authors of such comments as, "Its (sic) judges like these that should be taken out back and shot." And, "Why waste ammunition? Wood chippers get the message across clearly. Especially if you feed them in feet first." This last comment is a well-known Internet reference to the Coen brothers' movie Fargo. 

The subpoena also covered such obviously harmless comments as: "I hope there is a special place in hell reserved for that horrible woman," and "I'd prefer a hellish place on Earth be reserved for her as well."

The comments are hyperbolic, in questionable taste–and fully within the norms of Internet commentary.

...

The original subpoena, received late on Tuesday, June 2, did not come with a gag order. However, it came with a letter from Bharara and Assistant U.S. Attorney Niketh Velamoor requesting that we refrain from informing any other parties about the subpoena so as to "preserve the confidentiality of the investigation," and that we notify his office in advance if we intended to do so, even though it also said that we were under "no obligation" to keep the subpoena confidential.

We had three options: We could 1) abide quietly with the subpoena, 2) attempt to quash it, and/or 3) alert the commenters named in the subpoena.

Option 1, quietly abiding, was a non-starter for us.

As for Option 2, our chances of prevailing in that sort of legal challenge—given the extremely wide-ranging authority of federal grand juries, and the precedents set in cases such as In re Grand Jury Subpoena No. 11116275, 846 F. Supp. 2d 1 (D.D.C. 2012), involving an anonymous poster on Twitter—was in practical effect, virtually nil. 

In the Twitter case, an anonymous poster moved to quash a grand jury subpoena to Twitter that arose from online postings of a sexual nature about then-congresswoman Michele Bachmann. In that case, Twitter received the subpoena and notified the anonymous poster about it, letting him know that the company would comply with the subpoena unless he filed a motion to quash. The court denied his motion, holding that the poster's First Amendment right to comment anonymously must yield to the government's "compelling interest" in knowing his identity.

So we decided, against the government's request but well within our legal rights, to choose Option 3: notify and share the full subpoena with the six targeted commenters so that they would have a chance to assert their First Amendment rights to anonymity and defend themselves legally against the order.

At about 10:30 am ET on Thursday, June 4, our attorney Gayle Sproul (of Levine, Sullivan, Koch, & Schulz) called Velamoor to discuss the subpoena. The call did not go well. Sproul asked Velamoor to consider scaling back the scope of the subpoena by omitting the more benign commenters. Velamoor said simply, "No." Then Sproul informed him that we would be notifying our commenters about the subpoena to give them the chance to defend their rights to remain anonymous, and that we would not comply with the subpoena as it related to any commenters who moved to quash the subpoena before our compliance deadline. Sproul explained to him that there is case law firmly establishing that these commenters have the right to speak anonymously, and that we would withhold the information of anyone fighting the subpoena. Velamoor disputed that any such free speech rights exist. He asked that we delay notifying the commenters so he could get a court order prohibiting us from disclosing the subpoena to them. We refused. Sproul pointed out that we were perfectly within our rights to share the subpoena given the law and the wording of his own letter. Velamoor then suggested that Reason was "coming close" to interfering with the grand jury investigation. The call ended abruptly.

...

Later that day, at approximately 5:35 pm ET, Velamoor sent Reason a gag order he had later secured blocking us from discussing the subpoena or the order itself with anyone outside of Reason, other than our attorney.

The gag order was accompanied by this email:

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Mr. Alissi,

Regarding this subpoena, I spoke to someone who said she was an attorney representing Reason in connection with this subpoena.  The attorney indicated that Reason intended to notify the individuals referenced therein about the subpoena.  The attorney further refused to provide me any time to take steps to protect the confidentiality of the investigation.

I have obtained the attached Court Order prohibiting Reason from notifying any third party about the subpoena.

Please forward the Order to the attorney and any other individuals who should be aware of it.

Thank you

Niketh V. Velamoor
Assistant United States Attorney
Southern District of New York
One Saint Andrew's Plaza
New York, NY  10007

...

Having already suggested that Reason might have interfered with a grand jury investigation, Velamoor contacted Sproul on the afternoon of Friday, June 5, in response to a letter from her explaining the commenters' constitutional rights and laying out the timeline of Reason's notification to them. Velamoor told her that he now had "preliminary information" suggesting that Reason was in violation of the court order. Sproul said we were not and asked for further information. Velamoor refused to give any specifics, saying simply that he was "looking into it further."

Popehat coverage:
http://popehat.com/2015/06/08/department-of-justice-uses-grand-jury-subpoena-to-identify-anonymous-commenters-on-a-silk-road-post-at-reason-com/
http://popehat.com/2015/06/11/media-coverage-of-the-reason-debacle/

libertarian garbage finally getting what's coming to them, throw Gillespie's hair and leather jacket in jail for life!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 20, 2015, 09:26:15 AM

Attacking people hung up on certain kinds of government waste with government waste. I love me some poetic justice retribution.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2015, 01:42:10 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mRwGafV.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2015, 03:00:02 PM

Just heard a segment on the local ESPN radio station today where the host railed against the Confederate flag and Confederate-fetishism. :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Tasty on June 20, 2015, 09:00:29 PM

http://www.bostonglobe.com/2015/06/20/dylann-storm-roof-photos-found-website/wSSh9OQq97jFDzKQ4MB34N/story.html

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“He just made really stupid but obvious statements about people from other races,” Wareing said in an email. “He would call black citizens ‘nuggets’ and such. He never made direct threats at all on Tumblr, at least it didn’t seem like that, just weird ramblings about how he felt he ‘didn’t fit in.’”

Among his writings were images of Sept. 11 “memes” and of “My Little Pony,” Wareing said.

Welp

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2015, 10:38:33 PM

nuggets? (http://i.imgur.com/umr4lwn.png)

why not show some damn effort in your insults. What not go for "niglets" instead (http://i.imgur.com/TBQ3Tii.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2015, 11:24:17 PM

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Among his writings were images of Sept. 11 “memes” and of “My Little Pony,”

 :usacry

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2015, 11:40:53 PM

Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/dylann-roof-favorite-film-scene-himizu

The choice of a Japanese film might seem peculiar at first, given the manifesto is a white supremacy rant. But in a section titled "East Asians", the essay reads: "Even if we were to go extinct they could carry something on. They are by nature very racist and could be great allies of the White race. I am not opposed at all to allies with the Northeast Asian races."

:goty

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 21, 2015, 01:09:57 AM

I wonder what Mr. Evil-Dumbass-Racist-Shithead thinks of his cinematic hero's extended career? If he ever saw more then just the one Sono film?

Specifically the anti-groupthink Suicide Club, the pro-love and acceptance Love Exposure, and the pro-immigration Exte, or maybe how he feels about all the porn, gay and straight (mostly gay if my understanding is correct), that Sono did prior to his legit filmmaking career.

Of course, expecting logical thought is a bit too much of a stretch to think of for this POS.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Oblivion on June 21, 2015, 01:21:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0K_zvlDzmI

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 21, 2015, 03:33:50 AM

I know that he is in a situation where he doesn't have a free hand, but it's still weird to see the POTUS twitting like Joe-Six Pack Activist.

(http://i.imgur.com/jvKizSU.png)

Otherwise, the news are  :-\
There's something wrong with the USA, and unfortunately it's probably something deeper than just the gun ownership laws.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2015, 04:26:17 AM

gasp, if this video gets out, Bernie's weekend is over:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBIKP4W50-I

the guy basically sounds like a socialist in this interview

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2015, 08:36:38 AM

First Libertarian Party candidate: http://www.robertdavidsteele.com/

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After a lifetime overseas as the son of an oil engineer and as a Marine Corps infantry officer and Central Intelligence Agency clandestine service office (spy), he settled in the Commonwealth of Virginia where he has been resident since 1986.

Robert has been educated at Muhlenberg College (AB Political Science), Lehigh University (MA International Relations), the University of Oklahoma (MPA Public Administration) and the Naval War College (Diploma in Defense Economics). The latter two were continuing education non-resident endeavors. His first graduate thesis developed an original analytic model for predicting revolution; his graphic on the pre-conditions of revolution that exist in the USA today is very popular and has been featured at The Guardian in the UK and at Homeland Security Today in the US. He is the top non-fiction reviewer at Amazon, with over 2,000 reviews spanning 98 distinct categories.

Today Robert is the foremost activist for both electoral reform and open source everything.

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Robert’s proposition to the Libertarian Party is that it must unite now, in 2015, with the Constitution, Green, and Working Families parties, and with Independents as well as Democrats certain to be disappointed when Bernie Sanders suspends his candidacy in favor of Hillary Clinton, to demand the Electoral Reform Act of 2015. This eight-point act, which includes a Constitutional Convention as the final element in restoring public voice for all, will make possible the destruction of the two-party tyranny and the election of Libertarians at all levels but particularly into Congress. Robert’s vision has been published as “A Fantasy: On the Seventh Day,” in CounterPunch.

While Robert tests off the scale on Libertarian values – and was first recruited to the party at Hackers on Planet earth in 1996 or 1998 when he completed the Libertarian survey – his focus in seeking the nomination is to enable a convergence of the 60% now disenfranchised, including all Libertarians, to gain legislation in 2015 that makes possible an Independent ticket including a Libertarian, and a Coalition Cabinet including multiple Libertarians, and a Congress including at least 20% Libertarians, in 2016.

Robert eschews comparison with all others on the issues for the simple reason that his focus is on restoring integrity to the entire electoral process and thence to governance, the economy, and society. What he thinks about any given issue should not matter because he defers to a future honest legislature replete with Libertarians, and to national issue ballots, to establish public preferences – for example, in relation to legalizing marijuana. Robert is unique – he is the only candidate who is serious about uniting all citizens to demand electoral reform now, in time to achieve an honest open government – radically scaled back in size and budget and authority – in 2016-2024.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/06/12/on-the-seventh-day/

post about extremely long shot candidates for extremely long shot parties nominations brehs  :fbm

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: headwalk on June 21, 2015, 08:42:35 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 21, 2015, 03:33:50 AM

There's something wrong with the USA, and unfortunately it's probably something deeper than just the gun ownership laws.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/o15PljTS2O8/maxresdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 21, 2015, 08:51:47 AM

The problem is Prima Nocta, yes.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 21, 2015, 10:24:31 AM

That LP candidate. :rofl

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2015, 01:40:25 PM

I'm sure he's not advocating limiting the amount of money that rationally motivated self interested individuals can spend on 1st amendment protected political speech to sway elections when he talks about restoring electoral integrity.

Worship the free market to the exclusion of all else, brehs

:jawalrus

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2015, 01:56:45 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/wtf-nbcs-chuck-todd-airs-color-blind-segment-with-all-black-shooters-to-address-charleston-massacre/

Remember when Chuck Todd was just the primary/caucus numbers guy?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Barry Egan on June 21, 2015, 04:56:13 PM

He really should of stayed in that position.  He was like the Proto-Nate Silver amongst forum nerds who followed politics.  Now that he's moved up the latter he's revealed himself to be about as brain dead as Wolf Blitzer when it comes to anything but numbers.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2015, 05:56:22 PM

Yep, that's our Chuck "It's not the job of the press to correct lies" Todd.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2015, 09:29:30 AM

30 more minutes until Walrus dies of cardiac arrest. IE Supreme Court decisions coming at 10AM EST.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2015, 09:49:22 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2015, 09:29:30 AM

30 more minutes until Walrus dies of cardiac arrest. IE Supreme Court decisions coming at 10AM EST.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vHRMeRszw4

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2015, 10:22:55 AM

No decision on King v Burwell today. :goty

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2015, 10:36:40 AM

Walrus lives!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2015, 10:49:28 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 02, 2015, 08:39:18 PM

http://chuckcjohnson.info/

:drudge

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2015, 11:06:01 AM

anyone listening to the Maron podcast with Obama?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2015, 11:17:36 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on June 22, 2015, 11:06:01 AM

anyone listening to the Maron podcast with Obama?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/president-obama-marc-maron-racism
:drudge

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 22, 2015, 11:19:42 AM

its a great interview so far

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2015, 11:57:17 AM

It's downloaded. I just have to sync my ipod when I get back from lunch.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2015, 12:17:07 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/deneen-borelli-obama-rapper-chief

:neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2015, 12:31:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 22, 2015, 12:17:07 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/deneen-borelli-obama-rapper-chief

:neogaf

Our N-Word-in-Chief should have used less racially insensitive language.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2015, 12:52:48 PM

We need to stop this politics of division. Shame on you, Ben Carson. I expected more.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-charleston-shooter-racist

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2015, 01:55:15 PM

http://www.wnd.com/2015/06/obamas-race-war-has-real-consequences/

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Yet how can we ignore the climate of violence that is sharpening conflicts instead of soothing them? How can we ignore a simple truth: Barack Obama and Eric Holder created much of this atmosphere of anger, bitterness and bile with their disdain of whites and not too transparent belief and actions that we must now pay what are in effect reparations to the black community, even though this generation does not practice or advocate slavery. Obama, Holder and their enablers, like Al Sharpton, have become what they accused President George W. Bush of being: a recruiting tool for terrorists thanks to his invasion of Iraq. Obama and company’s biased actions against whites, Christians and Jews have ironically served to draw neo-Nazis and sick Klansman out of their caves and have emboldened them to try to justify criminal acts – people like Dylann Roof. Indeed, Roof was quoted as saying that he struck because blacks had “taken over the country.”

To fundamentally transform America, Obama, Holder and their fellow travelers have been implementing Saul Alinsky’s and Frank Marshall Davis’ teachings. They have been inciting one group against another group, race against race and class against class.

President Abraham Lincoln warned that “A house divided against itself cannot stand.” He was specifically talking about race, a nation half slave and half free. Historically, outside conquerors have ruled over large countries by keeping groups fighting against each other and throwing salt in the wounds of local grievances. To tear down traditional America, socialists and progressives must tear at old wounds.

But this is not a faculty lounge exercise. Obama’s race war, implemented in large part by the likes of Eric Holder, has real-world consequences. Real people get hurt and trampled as collateral damage in the progressive enterprise.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2015, 02:30:56 PM

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Historically, outside conquerors have ruled over large countries by keeping groups fighting against each other and throwing salt in the wounds of local grievances.

Did Donald Rumsfeld write this Op-Ed?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2015, 03:36:27 PM

WALRUS ARE YOU OK? PLEASE SAY SOMETHING ABSURD ABOUT HARRY REID OR IGNORANT ABOUT LEBRON TO LET US KNOW YOU'RE OK

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scotus-adds-decision-days

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 22, 2015, 03:42:04 PM

Troll level: 1 kajillion

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/andrea-tantaros-confederate-flag-charleston

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“You know what baffles the mind?” Tantaros said. “This isn't a Republican flag. Historically this was the flag of southern Democrats, remember that, fact?”

“I find this flag offensive,” Tantaros continued. “This flag represents the fight in slavery and it was a flag that the southern Democrats — Democrats — used to fly against Northern Republicans so I’m not sure why Republicans are getting peppered over this.”

...possibly because so many Republican controlled state legislatures demand that it continue to be flown on state property? JUST SPITBALLING HERE, YOU IGNORANT TWAT.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 22, 2015, 04:20:16 PM

Canonically, the GOP is a 150-year-old political party dedicated to civil rights.

 :expert

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2015, 05:24:12 PM

Roberts had his chance to kill the ACA before it was implemented and he didn't, why would he reverse course now for a much weaker argument?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2015, 05:48:46 PM

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COLUMBIA, SC—Shooing away protesters from the brown, debris-covered lawn, state lawmakers reportedly refused Monday to remove the Confederate flag from South Carolina’s Capitol Trailer. “Go on, git!” said shirtless South Carolina state representative Jeff Duncan, who sources confirmed tossed an empty 40-ounce bottle of Colt 45 at a group of demonstrators while reclining in a battered, dirt-caked plastic kiddie pool. “Y’all quit messing with our capitol trailer. You ain’t never gonna see this flag come down, you hear? Now, get on outta here unless you wanna get real well acquainted with my shotgun.” At press time, a two-thirds majority of South Carolina state legislators had reportedly passed out amongst the rusted washing machine and a sink on the grass in front of the state’s double-wide trailer.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: T-Short on June 23, 2015, 02:13:00 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2015, 07:17:33 AM

The impression I have of nuclear power is massive cost overruns -> we've got a new design, this time it will be different -> it's not different -> please understand.

Also: Never talk about uranium scarcity or the resources/energy required to build waste storage facilities that have to last 100k years.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: brawndolicious on June 23, 2015, 03:31:43 AM

Nuclear power works well if you can afford it and have a system to reclaim wasted power during non peak hours as the plants always operate at their mist efficient due to it being more costly to change the rate of power production for a few hours. One option is to pump water uphill at night into reservoirs for hydroelectric dams as Austria supposedly does when they buy French energy during non peak hours (they hate nuclear).

But it's not an option for the developing world where we have the expanding middle class and migration of the manufacturing/agriculture industry. Solar has the potential to get a lot cheaper but it still takes a lot of land and other capital costs, I did see acres of solar panels on farms in Spain back 2009 so it may make financial sense which is really the only thing that matters when you're talking about kilowatt hours.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2015, 01:53:12 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mike-huckabee-ccc

:hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 23, 2015, 01:57:11 PM

Wasn't the CCC the group that Trent Lott was addressing when he made those comments about how Strom Thurmond should've been president?

If it's now widely accepted to be a fringe, pariah organization, that has to be a fairly recent development.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 23, 2015, 03:10:48 PM

But liberals are the real racists.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2015, 04:09:55 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm not giving anyone dap for suddenly deciding the Confederate Flag isn't cool. It shouldn't have taken 9 dead black people in 2015 to come to that realization.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 23, 2015, 07:17:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2015, 04:09:55 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm not giving anyone dap for suddenly deciding the Confederate Flag isn't cool. It shouldn't have taken 9 dead black people in 2015 to come to that realization.

So you don't want to solve racism once and for all?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2015, 07:23:45 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 23, 2015, 07:17:55 PM

So you don't want to solve racism once and for all?

That's how these race baiters operate, if racism didn't exist they'd have to invent it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on June 23, 2015, 07:36:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 23, 2015, 07:23:45 PM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on June 23, 2015, 07:17:55 PM

So you don't want to solve racism once and for all?

That's how these race baiters operate, if racism didn't exist they'd have to invent it.

Barack Obama traveling back in time to derail the racial harmony that developed after MLK was assassinated so he could one day split the country on racial and become president and destroy the country and create USSR 2.0 is a pretty good script idea.  2 parts Back to the Future, 1 part Inception, 1 part Remember the Titans, 1 part that Dinesh d'Souza movie is how we'll pitch it.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2015, 08:19:59 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2015/06/22/what-three-psychics-told-us-will-happen-in-the-2016-election/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: VomKriege on June 24, 2015, 12:20:38 AM

Quote from: Hyoushi on June 23, 2015, 02:13:00 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 19, 2015, 07:17:33 AM

The impression I have of nuclear power is massive cost overruns -> we've got a new design, this time it will be different -> it's not different -> please understand.

Also: Never talk about uranium scarcity or the resources/energy required to build waste storage facilities that have to last 100k years.

Not to deny that those are factors but scarcity and waste is a problem for every source of energy. Coal for instance generates mercury and arsenic (the latter being very durable) and even solar panel and wind turbine  need metals and chemicals to be build. Overall nuclear power footprint does not put that much stress with its efficiency, and the scarcity of the fuel (and waste generation) may be alleviated by advances in reactor technology (long talked of, so not as imminent as engineers would like to believe, but possibly within our reach nonetheless). However, I agree nuclear power is not a magical solution that can be applied across the board. It is still our current best shot for mass production of energy which is not something that will be going away anytime soon.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 05:14:50 AM

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2939435/government-it/us-navy-paid-millions-to-stay-on-windows-xp.html

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The U.S. Navy is paying Microsoft millions of dollars to keep up to 100,000 computers afloat because it has yet to transition away from Windows XP.

The Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command, which runs the Navy's communications and information networks, signed a $9.1 million contract earlier this month for continued access to security patches for Windows XP, Office 2003, Exchange 2003 and Windows Server 2003.

The entire contract could be worth up to $30.8 million and extend into 2017.

The first three of those products have been deemed obsolete by Microsoft, and Windows Server 2003 will reach its end of life on July 14. As a result, Microsoft has stopped issuing free security updates but will continue to do so on a paid basis for customers like the Navy that are still using those products.

The Navy began a transition away from XP in 2013, but as of May it still had approximately 100,000 workstations running XP or the other software.

"The Navy relies on a number of legacy applications and programs that are reliant on legacy Windows products," said Steven Davis, a spokesman for the Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command in San Diego. "Until those applications and programs are modernized or phased out, this continuity of services is required to maintain operational effectiveness."

...

"A plan for migrating to current and supported capabilities has been developed and is being executed," Davis said.

Continuing to use the obsolete systems without the Microsoft contract would be risky.

"Without this continued support, vulnerabilities to these systems will be discovered, with no patches to protect the systems," the Navy document says. "The resulting deterioration will make the U.S. Navy more susceptible to intrusion ... and could lead to loss of data integrity, network performance and the inability to meet mission readiness of critical networks."

The Navy isn't alone in still relying on Windows XP. Approximately 10 percent of desktop PCs accessing websites using the StatCounter traffic reporting service during the current month were running Windows XP, giving it a market share just above that of Apple's OS X. Data from Net Applications puts XP's current share at just over 14 percent.

But what about the things still running in COBOL?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 05:48:42 AM

Meanwhile, in the World of Mike Huckabee (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/mike-huckabee-pledges-block-gay-marriage-if-elected-president):

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He said that if elected president, he would simply ignore any Supreme Court decision in favor of marriage equality until Congress passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide…which he would then veto.

“Until the Congress of the United States puts on my desk a bill that basically defies the laws of Nature and Nature’s God and defies the longstanding tradition of marriage, the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriage because there is no law that requires it and that would be true for the military and it would be true for all federal institutions,” Huckabee said. “If the Congress decides that they want to pass enabling legislation, they could put it on my desk and I would veto it, and they can attempt to override it. That’s the process.”

Huckabee said that even his detractors should sympathize with his anti-gay-marriage stance: “If liberals were subjected to a conservative court that forced them to tithe their income to scripture or forced them to go to church or forced them to believe something that they don’t want to believe, they would say, ‘We can’t do that, that would go against our conscience.’ And I would say, ‘You are exactly right and we can’t have such a ruling. This is why I find this very unsettling is because liberals will rue the day when the sword they use to enact their agenda is the sword of the court rather than to do it by way of the people’s elected representatives.”

...

“There can be no surrender on the point of the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage,” Huckabee said, claiming that the ruling “goes to the heart of who we are as Americans and whether or not religious liberty lives or dies.”

He vowed not to “surrender to a tyranny that frankly would defy everything we are as a country,” lamenting that even people who went to law school have decided to “acquiesce to this judicial supremacy.”

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: T-Short on June 24, 2015, 08:32:58 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 05:48:42 AM

Meanwhile, in the World of Mike Huckabee (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/mike-huckabee-pledges-block-gay-marriage-if-elected-president):

Quote

He said that if elected president, he would simply ignore any Supreme Court decision in favor of marriage equality until Congress passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide…which he would then veto.

“Until the Congress of the United States puts on my desk a bill that basically defies the laws of Nature and Nature’s God and defies the longstanding tradition of marriage, the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriage because there is no law that requires it and that would be true for the military and it would be true for all federal institutions,” Huckabee said. “If the Congress decides that they want to pass enabling legislation, they could put it on my desk and I would veto it, and they can attempt to override it. That’s the process.”

Huckabee said that even his detractors should sympathize with his anti-gay-marriage stance: “If liberals were subjected to a conservative court that forced them to tithe their income to scripture or forced them to go to church or forced them to believe something that they don’t want to believe, they would say, ‘We can’t do that, that would go against our conscience.’ And I would say, ‘You are exactly right and we can’t have such a ruling. This is why I find this very unsettling is because liberals will rue the day when the sword they use to enact their agenda is the sword of the court rather than to do it by way of the people’s elected representatives.”

...

“There can be no surrender on the point of the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage,” Huckabee said, claiming that the ruling “goes to the heart of who we are as Americans and whether or not religious liberty lives or dies.”

He vowed not to “surrender to a tyranny that frankly would defy everything we are as a country,” lamenting that even people who went to law school have decided to “acquiesce to this judicial supremacy.”

holy shit.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 24, 2015, 09:01:23 AM

More empty rhetoric from a huckster. No one is forcing anyone to get gay married so it's not even close to forcing liberals to go to church.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2015, 09:12:23 AM

Quote from: Hyoushi on June 24, 2015, 08:32:58 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 05:48:42 AM

Meanwhile, in the World of Mike Huckabee (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/mike-huckabee-pledges-block-gay-marriage-if-elected-president):

Quote

He said that if elected president, he would simply ignore any Supreme Court decision in favor of marriage equality until Congress passed legislation legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide…which he would then veto.

“Until the Congress of the United States puts on my desk a bill that basically defies the laws of Nature and Nature’s God and defies the longstanding tradition of marriage, the federal government will not recognize same-sex marriage because there is no law that requires it and that would be true for the military and it would be true for all federal institutions,” Huckabee said. “If the Congress decides that they want to pass enabling legislation, they could put it on my desk and I would veto it, and they can attempt to override it. That’s the process.”

Huckabee said that even his detractors should sympathize with his anti-gay-marriage stance: “If liberals were subjected to a conservative court that forced them to tithe their income to scripture or forced them to go to church or forced them to believe something that they don’t want to believe, they would say, ‘We can’t do that, that would go against our conscience.’ And I would say, ‘You are exactly right and we can’t have such a ruling. This is why I find this very unsettling is because liberals will rue the day when the sword they use to enact their agenda is the sword of the court rather than to do it by way of the people’s elected representatives.”

...

“There can be no surrender on the point of the Supreme Court decision on same-sex marriage,” Huckabee said, claiming that the ruling “goes to the heart of who we are as Americans and whether or not religious liberty lives or dies.”

He vowed not to “surrender to a tyranny that frankly would defy everything we are as a country,” lamenting that even people who went to law school have decided to “acquiesce to this judicial supremacy.”

holy shit.

Grifters gotta grift, breh.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 09:16:46 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 24, 2015, 09:01:23 AM

No one is forcing anyone to get gay married

Yet.

After Hillary packs the Court though...

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 24, 2015, 09:24:13 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 24, 2015, 09:16:46 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 24, 2015, 09:01:23 AM

No one is forcing anyone to get gay married

Yet.

After Hillary packs the Court though...

:phil

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2015, 09:37:05 AM

It's just niche marketing and self-promotion. Huckabee knows he can't win, so he's carving out this issue so he can have a nice run of speaking engagements once he loses.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 24, 2015, 11:32:39 AM

PD, come get your boy Huckabee

:hitler

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2015, 11:44:04 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2015, 09:37:05 AM

It's just niche marketing and self-promotion. Huckabee knows he can't win, so he's carving out this issue so he can have a nice run of speaking engagements once he loses.

Doesn't that apply to everyone running for president on the GOP side except for Bush, Walker, Rubio, and Kasich? Maybe throw Rand Paul in there too. Everybody else is just running for a Fox News contract or to increase their speaking fees.

Jindal is announcing today....

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 24, 2015, 11:58:18 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2015, 11:44:04 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on June 24, 2015, 09:37:05 AM

It's just niche marketing and self-promotion. Huckabee knows he can't win, so he's carving out this issue so he can have a nice run of speaking engagements once he loses.

Doesn't that apply to everyone running for president on the GOP side except for Bush, Walker, Rubio, and Kasich? Maybe throw Rand Paul in there too. Everybody else is just running for a Fox News contract or to increase their speaking fees.

Jindal is announcing today....

The Donald Trump is a serious, for real candidate PD, how could you ever doubt that?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 24, 2015, 08:50:42 PM

Jindal now. All we can hope for is Palin and the clown car will be complete.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2015, 10:58:05 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/06/bobby-jindal-presidential-campaign-announcement-video

(http://i.imgur.com/v3v0Yph.png)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: chronovore on June 25, 2015, 08:27:33 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/27/corporations-paid-us-senators-fast-track-tpp

This is just, I know business-as-usual, but it's so utterly flagrant and filthy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2015, 09:09:56 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 24, 2015, 10:58:05 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/06/bobby-jindal-presidential-campaign-announcement-video

(http://i.imgur.com/v3v0Yph.png)

 :cac

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 10:15:01 AM

Quote

@NationalMemo 4m4 minutes ago

BREAKING: Obamacare subsidies survive by a Supreme Court ruling of 6-3.

WALRUS LIVES ANOTHER DAY

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2015, 10:31:28 AM

:rejoice

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 25, 2015, 10:37:10 AM

Actually I'm sorta surprised on the ACA ruling. I was sure that they'd just steamroll it. So that's good.

Also, the hearing gave us this gem:

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"But Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. raised the possibility that the court could find for the challengers and delay the impact of its ruling until the first of the year. That would give the states and Congress time to fix any problems, he said.

Verrilli said it would be “completely unrealistic” to think that states could adjust in six months.

Justice Antonin Scalia said Congress could fix the problem, and would not sit by idly if there were a crisis.

“Well, this Congress, your honor, I … I …” Verrilli said."

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2015, 10:38:23 AM

Quote

From the majority opinion: "Congress passed the Affordable Care Act to improve health insurance markets, not to destroy them."

No fucking duh

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 10:50:41 AM

LeBron lost, King lost...all of Walrus' enemies are falling. The universe will balance this out when the Lakers draft Kaminsky tonight.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 11:01:28 AM

Apparently they could have ruled in a way which left the subsidies up to executive branch rule-making, but didn't.  Which means a Republican president won't be able to yank the subsidies away (and current GOP candidates won't have to promise to do that) without getting a bill through Congress.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2015, 11:35:15 AM

Quote from: chronovore on June 25, 2015, 08:27:33 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2015/may/27/corporations-paid-us-senators-fast-track-tpp

This is just, I know business-as-usual, but it's so utterly flagrant and filthy.

20K is all it takes to buy a senator these days? SMH this economy.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2015, 11:36:39 AM

Has anyone trolled Shinobi's husbando at GAF with excerpts from the majority decision yet?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 11:47:55 AM

Quote from: Vularai on June 25, 2015, 11:36:39 AM

Has anyone trolled Shinobi's husbando at GAF with excerpts from the majority decision yet?

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169787462&postcount=8497

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 12:35:24 PM

Michael Cannon, ladies and gentlemen

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Today the Supreme Court allowed itself to be intimidated. Afraid that ObamaCare as written would throw the sickest patients out of their health plans a second time, the Court rewrote ObamaCare to save it—again. In doing so, the Court has sent a dangerous message to future administrations: If you are going to violate the law, make sure you go big.

The Court today validated President Obama’s massive power grab, allowing him to tax, borrow, and spend $700 billion that no Congress ever authorized. This establishes a precedent that could let any president modify, amend, or suspend any enacted law at his or her whim.

ObamaCare will continue to disrupt coverage for sick Americans until Congress repeals it and replaces it with reforms that make health care better, more affordable, and more secure. Despite today’s ruling, ObamaCare remains unpopular with the American public and the battle to set in place a health care system that works for all Americans is far from over.

http://www.cato.org/blog/supreme-court-validates-obamas-power-grab

(http://i.imgur.com/tBNiSzY.gif)

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 12:52:19 PM

come get your boy, benji

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 01:10:49 PM

https://twitter.com/ishapiro/status/532990258913501184

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2015, 01:13:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 10:15:01 AM

Quote

@NationalMemo 4m4 minutes ago

BREAKING: Obamacare subsidies survive by a Supreme Court ruling of 6-3.

WALRUS LIVES ANOTHER DAY

I TOLD YOU GUYS :obama

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 01:16:25 PM

http://www.theblaze.com/contributions/was-supreme-court-justice-john-roberts-blackmailed/

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 01:26:38 PM

Supreme Court also upholds the Fair Housing Act* and in his dissent, Clarence Thomas points out that racial imbalances aren't always bad for minorities, cause 70% of NBA players are black.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*I haven't actually read up on the case, so this cold be simplifying it to the point of distortion.

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Yeti on June 25, 2015, 01:29:04 PM

Add Chris Christie to the 2016 clown car

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/25/chris-christie-president_n_7663610.html

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2015, 01:31:19 PM

YES MORE PLEASE NOM NOM NOM  :aah

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2015, 01:32:13 PM

Chris Christie and Bobby Jindal in the same week :whew

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 01:35:17 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 25, 2015, 01:32:13 PM

Chris Christie and Bobby Jindal in the same week :whew

Remember how these guys were rising stars about five years ago?  Some Kwame Brown, Freddy Adu level busts right there.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2015, 01:39:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 11:01:28 AM

Apparently they could have ruled in a way which left the subsidies up to executive branch rule-making, but didn't.  Which means a Republican president won't be able to yank the subsidies away (and current GOP candidates won't have to promise to do that) without getting a bill through Congress.

President Huckabee can just ignore Supreme Court rulings, tho.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 01:40:08 PM

SC will release more decisions on Friday btw. We might get the gay marriage megaton to rule all megatons.

The salt in Scalia's Obergefell's dissent is going to be epic. Throw a couple breadsticks in and you'll have Olive Garden alfredo :lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2015, 01:42:13 PM

Double down on being wrong, brehs.

I know it makes you look bad when the narrative you pitch is so awfully wrong. The smart thing would be to hop on the next flavor of outrage for the day and be wrong about that.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2015, 01:42:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 01:35:17 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 25, 2015, 01:32:13 PM

Chris Christie and Bobby Jindal in the same week :whew

Remember how these guys were rising stars about five years ago?  Some Kwame Brown, Freddy Adu level busts right there.

The conservative political machine regularly snatches up young, fresh-faced Republicans and pumps them full of the same old talking points that everybody else gets. Then, they all get into a big argument over who memorized their lines the best.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 02:09:12 PM

Schadenfreude aside, really glad that the case went as it did.  Unlike NFIB v. Sebelius, which was aimed at the mandate, this was aimed at a part of the law designed to directly to help poorer people afford health care.  That's really shitty.

It's remarkable how much opposition the ACA has gotten after it passed.  States opting out of the exchanges (and after the Sebelius ruling, out of the Medicare expansion), constant symbolic bills to repeal the law, numerous court challenges including two that got to the SCOTUS.  I can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2015, 02:19:10 PM

Nonschadenfreude aside...

http://wonkette.com/589443/lets-get-drunk-on-republican-obamacare-tears-together

(http://i.imgur.com/4NYTvdp.jpg)

:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2015, 02:19:41 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 02:09:12 PM

It's remarkable how much opposition the ACA has gotten after it passed.  States opting out of the exchanges (and after the Sebelius ruling, out of the Medicare expansion), constant symbolic bills to repeal the law, numerous court challenges including two that got to the SCOTUS.  I can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.

And unlike civil rights legislation in the 60's, some of the biggest beneficiaries of the ACA are conservatives and Republican states.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Steve Contra on June 25, 2015, 02:21:43 PM

"Millenias of judicial restraint"

*references an 800 year old document*

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2015, 02:27:26 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 02:09:12 PM

It's remarkable how much opposition the ACA has gotten after it passed.  States opting out of the exchanges (and after the Sebelius ruling, out of the Medicare expansion), constant symbolic bills to repeal the law, numerous court challenges including two that got to the SCOTUS.  I can't think of anything similar in my lifetime.

I'm old enough to remember the end of legal spousal rape, that's the closest thing I can think of and tbh I don't want to research that for fear of projectile vomiting.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 02:29:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on June 25, 2015, 02:21:43 PM

"Millenias of judicial restraint"

*references an 800 year old document*

It could still be canonically 4000 years old.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 25, 2015, 04:34:18 PM

The tears of the losers has been the best possible birthday present

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 25, 2015, 04:57:45 PM

Bobby Jindal is so white he mispronounces his own name (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33272125).

#BobbyJindalIsSoWhite he thinks Naan is what you call your grandmother

#BobbyJindalIsSoWhite that he has to be washed separately in warm water.

#BobbyJindalIsSoWhite he's never been randomly selected at the airport

#bobbyjindalissowhite He calls it Chai Tea.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2015, 05:11:39 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 25, 2015, 04:57:45 PM

#bobbyjindalissowhite He calls it Chai Tea.

:dead

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 07:09:02 PM

Quote from: Chief Justice Roberts

It is implausible that Congress meant the Act to operate in this manner. See National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius, 567 U. S. ___, ___ (2012) (SCALIA, KENNEDY, THOMAS, and ALITO, JJ., dissenting) (slip op., at 60) (“Without the federal subsidies … the exchanges would not operate as Congress intended and may not operate at all.”).

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 07:16:01 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 25, 2015, 04:57:45 PM

Bobby Jindal is so white he mispronounces his own name (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-33272125).

#BobbyJindalIsSoWhite he thinks Naan is what you call your grandmother

#BobbyJindalIsSoWhite that he has to be washed separately in warm water.

#BobbyJindalIsSoWhite he's never been randomly selected at the airport

#bobbyjindalissowhite He calls it Chai Tea.

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/06/25/jep-and-jessica-robertson-bobby-jindal-is-our-pick-for-president/

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Jep and Jessica Robertson told FOX411 the Louisiana governor, who announced his run Wednesday, is their pick for president.

"I definitely would vote for him he's a very, very good man," Jep Robertson told FOX411. "We've gotten to chat with him several times, kind of just talking, he's a great dude....he's very transparent, has a great family, so yeah I'd definitely give him my vote."

Robertson's older brother Willie has also been vocal about who he wants in office.

“I’ve been talking a lot with Bobby Jindal, who is our governor. Bobby is a good friend of ours. He and his wife are good friends of Korie and [mine]. He has been on our television show. Anybody that comes down and has been on an episode of ‘Duck Dynasty,’ obviously is the frontrunner in my book,” Willie Robertson told FOX411 in May.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 07:38:27 PM

It's definitely been interesting watching Our Man In Paris and Meta go to battle on GAF, alongside Brian Beutler and other liberal bloggers doing the same against Cannon. My nervousness about the situation was the fact that such a ridiculous case even made it to court. I figured of course we know at least three of the judges who agreed to take the case, but my fear was that Kennedy was the fourth. A 5-4 decision was my fear - in fact, even if the govt had won 5-4 I would have been pretty bummed.

Seems like Black Mamba (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169809557&postcount=8546) was right all along.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 07:46:28 PM

Indeed.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2015, 07:48:56 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 25, 2015, 07:39:59 PM

You mean watch Meta and others battle on GAF while I seethed with rage and wished cancer on him from the sidelines?

Yeah but then some lickspittle snitched to meta and you had that proxy war where he got sanctimonious while shilling for stripping people of their health insurance.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 07:51:26 PM

All this while attaining two master's degrees. Cheebs would be proud.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 07:53:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 07:38:27 PM

It's definitely been interesting watching Our Man In Paris and Meta go to battle on GAF, alongside Brian Beutler and other liberal bloggers doing the same against Cannon. My nervousness about the situation was the fact that such a ridiculous case even made it to court. I figured of course we know at least three of the judges who agreed to take the case, but my fear was that Kennedy was the fourth. A 5-4 decision was my fear - in fact, even if the govt had won 5-4 I would have been pretty bummed.

Seems like Black Mamba (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=169809557&postcount=8546) was right all along.

pish tosh: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154550194&postcount=1023

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 25, 2015, 08:08:44 PM

What about cancer in the digital realm?

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2015, 09:36:59 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on June 25, 2015, 08:01:43 PM

I battled with Meta on GAF. Dude is a prick. Not sure he deserves cancer though.

Now that the subsidies are saved, go ahead and give him cancer

spoiler (click to show/hide)

nm he'd still be fucked. so many scust worthy plans :kobeyuck

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Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mandark on June 25, 2015, 11:55:59 PM

GAF talk outside the quarantine zone :trash

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2015, 11:59:08 PM

I think it broke through the sticky barriers while you were gone because of Walrus' obsession and my ban. :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 05:01:10 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/246204-gop-bill-would-force-supreme-court-to-enroll-in-obamacare

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A House Republican on Thursday proposed forcing the Supreme Court justices and their staff to enroll in ObamaCare.

Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas) said that his SCOTUScare Act would make all nine justices and their employees join the national healthcare law’s exchanges.

“As the Supreme Court continues to ignore the letter of the law, it’s important that these six individuals understand the full impact of their decisions on the American people,” he said.

“That’s why I introduced the SCOTUScare Act to require the Supreme Court and all of its employees to sign up for ObamaCare,” Babin said.

Babin’s potential legislation would only let the federal government provide healthcare to the Supreme Court and its staff via ObamaCare exchanges.

“By eliminating their exemption from ObamaCare, they will see firsthand what the American people are forced to live with,” he added.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 05:02:53 AM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/why-isnt-anyone-outraged-by-ann-coulter-anymore.html

 :lol

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2015, 09:07:34 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 05:01:10 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/246204-gop-bill-would-force-supreme-court-to-enroll-in-obamacare

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A House Republican on Thursday proposed forcing the Supreme Court justices and their staff to enroll in ObamaCare.

Rep. Brian Babin (R-Texas) said that his SCOTUScare Act would make all nine justices and their employees join the national healthcare law’s exchanges.

“As the Supreme Court continues to ignore the letter of the law, it’s important that these six individuals understand the full impact of their decisions on the American people,” he said.

“That’s why I introduced the SCOTUScare Act to require the Supreme Court and all of its employees to sign up for ObamaCare,” Babin said.

Babin’s potential legislation would only let the federal government provide healthcare to the Supreme Court and its staff via ObamaCare exchanges.

“By eliminating their exemption from ObamaCare, they will see firsthand what the American people are forced to live with,” he added.

Why, it's almost like certain people don't understand, or willfully ignore, what Obamacare actually is!

Quote from: benjipwns on June 26, 2015, 05:02:53 AM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/why-isnt-anyone-outraged-by-ann-coulter-anymore.html

 :lol

Because her shtick is obvious and well past its expiration date.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 26, 2015, 10:04:13 AM

annihilated

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Brehvolution on June 26, 2015, 10:06:33 AM

The gay agenda prevails!  :preach

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2015, 10:13:49 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/OXqJwuX.gif)
Time to watch the schadenfreude

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: ZephyrFate on June 26, 2015, 10:36:28 AM

What a time to be alive!!! Mandatory gay marriages for everyone!!! Gonna be in SF for gay pride in 4 hours!!! Gonna gay out so fucking hard!!!

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 26, 2015, 11:04:52 AM

I almost don't mind be American this week. :letsfukk

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2015, 03:38:25 PM

Obama's eulogy at the SC :whew

:whoo

the bitter tears that will come of this :lawd

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 26, 2015, 04:24:01 PM

https://twitter.com/SteveDeaceShow/status/614527302626471936

#TheShift

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 26, 2015, 11:03:56 PM

Well, you see, the Supreme Court destroyed years of established jurisprudence and defied the will of the people without regard.

But enough about Bush v Gore.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Mupepe on June 26, 2015, 11:20:29 PM

Quote from: Esch on June 26, 2015, 03:47:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaLlVegrATw

Hahahaha I still believe he is acting. He's so over the top and his personal history makes him super suspect.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: benjipwns on June 27, 2015, 04:54:09 AM

Constitutional Remedies to a Lawless Supreme Court (http://"http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420409/ted-cruz-supreme-court-constitutional-amendment")

Quote from: Ted Cruz

This week, we have twice seen Supreme Court justices violating their judicial oaths. Yesterday, the justices rewrote Obamacare, yet again, in order to force this failed law on the American people. Today, the Court doubled down with a 5–4 opinion that undermines not just the definition of marriage, but the very foundations of our representative form of government.

Both decisions were judicial activism, plain and simple. Both were lawless.

As Justice Scalia put it regarding Obamacare, “Words no longer have meaning if an Exchange that is not established by a State is ‘established by the State.’ . . . We should start calling this law SCOTUSCare.” And as he observed regarding marriage, “Today’s decree says that . . . the Ruler of 320 million Americans coast-to-coast is a majority of the nine lawyers on the Supreme Court.”

Sadly, the political reaction from the leaders of my party is all too predictable. They will pretend to be incensed, and then plan to do absolutely nothing.

That is unacceptable. On the substantive front, I have already introduced a constitutional amendment to preserve the authority of elected state legislatures to define marriage as the union of one man and one woman, and also legislation stripping the federal courts of jurisdiction over legal assaults on marriage. And the 2016 election has now been transformed into a referendum on Obamacare; in 2017, I believe, a Republican president will sign legislation finally repealing that disastrous law.

But there is a broader problem: The Court’s brazen action undermines its very legitimacy.

This must stop. Liberty is in the balance.

Not only are the Court’s opinions untethered to reason and logic, they are also alien to our constitutional system of limited and divided government. By redefining the meaning of common words, and redesigning the most basic human institutions, this Court has crossed from the realm of activism into the arena of oligarchy.

This week’s opinions are but the latest in a long line of judicial assaults on our Constitution and the common-sense values that have made America great. During the past 50 years, the Court has condemned millions of innocent unborn children to death, banished God from our schools and public squares, extended constitutional protections to prisoners of war on foreign soil, authorized the confiscation of property from one private owner to transfer it to another, and has now required all Americans to purchase a specific product, and to accept the redefinition of an institution ordained by God and long predating the formation of the Court.

Enough is enough.

Over the last several decades, many attempts have been made to compel the Court to abide by the Constitution. But, as Justice Alito put it, “Today’s decision shows that decades of attempts to restrain this Court’s abuse of its authority have failed.”

...

If the Court is unwilling to abide by the specific language of our laws as written, and if it is unhindered by the clear intent of the people’s elected representatives, our constitutional options for reasserting our authority over our government are limited.

The Framers of our Constitution, despite their foresight and wisdom, did not anticipate judicial tyranny on this scale. The Constitution explicitly provides that justices “shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour,” and this is a standard they are not remotely meeting. The Framers thought Congress’s “power of instituting impeachments,” as Alexander Hamilton argued in the Federalist Papers, would be an “important constitutional check” on the judicial branch and would provide “a complete security” against the justices’ “deliberate usurpations of the authority of the legislature.”

But the Framers underestimated the justices’ craving for legislative power, and they overestimated the Congress’s backbone to curb it. It was clear even before the end of the founding era that the threat of impeachment was, in Thomas Jefferson’s words, “not even a scarecrow” to the justices. Today, the remedy of impeachment — the only one provided under our Constitution to cure judicial tyranny — is still no remedy at all. A Senate that cannot muster 51 votes to block an attorney-general nominee openly committed to continue an unprecedented course of executive-branch lawlessness can hardly be expected to muster the 67 votes needed to impeach an Anthony Kennedy.

The time has come, therefore, to recognize that the problem lies not with the lawless rulings of individual lawless justices, but with the lawlessness of the Court itself. The decisions that have deformed our constitutional order and have debased our culture are but symptoms of the disease of liberal judicial activism that has infected our judiciary. A remedy is needed that will restore health to the sick man in our constitutional system.

Rendering the justices directly accountable to the people would provide such a remedy. Twenty states have now adopted some form of judicial retention elections, and the experience of these states demonstrates that giving the people the regular, periodic power to pass judgment on the judgments of their judges strikes a proper balance between judicial independence and judicial accountability. It also restores respect for the rule of law to courts that have systematically imposed their personal moral values in the guise of constitutional rulings. The courts in these states have not been politicized by this check on their power, nor have judges been removed indiscriminately or wholesale. Americans are a patient, forgiving people. We do not pass judgment rashly.

Yet we are a people who believe, in the words of our Declaration of Independence that “when a long train of abuses and usurpations . . . evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government and to provide new guards for their future security.” In California, the people said enough is enough in 1986, and removed from office three activist justices who had repeatedly contorted the state constitution to effectively outlaw capital punishment, no matter how savage the crime. The people of Nebraska likewise removed a justice who had twice disfigured that state’s constitution to overturn the people’s decision to subject state legislators to term limits. And in 2010, the voters of Iowa removed three justices who had, like the Supreme Court in Obergefell, invented a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

Judicial retention elections have worked in states across America; they will work for America. In order to provide the people themselves with a constitutional remedy to the problem of judicial activism and the means for throwing off judicial tyrants, I am proposing an amendment to the United States Constitution that would subject the justices of the Supreme Court to periodic judicial-retention elections. Every justice, beginning with the second national election after his or her appointment, will answer to the American people and the states in a retention election every eight years. Those justices deemed unfit for retention by both a majority of the American people as a whole and by majorities of the electorates in at least half of the 50 states will be removed from office and disqualified from future service on the Court.

As a constitutional conservative, I do not make this proposal lightly. I began my career as a law clerk to Chief Justice William Rehnquist — one of our nation’s greatest chief justices — and I have spent over a decade litigating before the Supreme Court. I revere that institution, and have no doubt that Rehnquist would be heartbroken at what has befallen our highest court.

But, sadly, the Court’s hubris and thirst for power have reached unprecedented levels. And that calls for meaningful action, lest Congress be guilty of acquiescing to this assault on the rule of law.

And if Congress will not act, passing the constitutional amendments needed to correct this lawlessness, then the movement from the people for an Article V Convention of the States — to propose the amendments directly — will grow stronger and stronger.

As we prepare to celebrate next week the 239th anniversary of the birth of our country, our Constitution finds itself under sustained attack from an arrogant judicial elite. Yet the words of Daniel Webster ring as true today as they did over 150 years ago: “Hold on, my friends, to the Constitution and to the Republic for which it stands. Miracles do not cluster and what has happened once in 6,000 years, may not happen again. Hold on to the Constitution, for if the American Constitution should fail, there will be anarchy throughout the world.” We must hold fast to the miracle that is our Constitution and our republic; we must not submit our constitutional freedoms, and the promise of our nation, to judicial tyranny.

As I said posting this on GAF, that I'll admit, I once thought five years ago that Ted Cruz might not be too bad for a GOPer from Texas ala Mike Lee or Rand Paul.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 27, 2015, 09:24:04 AM

Imagine if Cruz actually started pushing for a Constitutional amendment to get rid of Obamacare. :neogaf

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2015, 11:04:26 AM

"We do not pass judgment rashly."

Many thousands of dead Afghani and Iraqi civilians would disagree.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 27, 2015, 04:57:59 PM

Trump's feud with the head of Univision is pretty amazing:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-univision-miss-usa-feud-golf-course

Reality TV star and GOP presidential candidate Donald Trump’s feud with the Spanish language television network Univision isn’t just about crowning Miss USA – now there are golf games and matters of foreign policy at stake.

Days after the network said it would sever ties with the 2016 dark horse after he characterized Mexican immigrants as drug smugglers and rapists in his lengthy presidential announcement, the Donald posted an image to Instagram on Friday of a letter to Univision CEO Randy Falco banning “any officer or representative of Univision” from using Trump National Doral Miami’s golf courses or facilities. He also demanded the company halt construction on a gate connecting “our respective properties.”

“Please congratulate your Mexican Government officials for having made such outstanding trade deals with the United States. However, inform them that should I become President, those days are over. We are bringing jobs back to the U.S. Also, a meaningful border will be immediately created, not the laughingstock that currently exists,” Trump wrote in a postscript.

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 27, 2015, 06:14:04 PM

VERY CLASSY, VERY PRESIDENTIAL

Title: Re: Official Thread of American Politics - Rand Paul rides in on a Cruz Missile
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 27, 2015, 06:38:58 PM

As you can see, he's a uniter not a divider, unlike our Race-Baiter-in-Chief.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 28, 2015, 02:17:28 AM

This story irks me.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20150626/us-burning-man-requests-6a7736905f.html

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2015, 01:22:29 PM

I never really knew what a total garbage heap Woodrow Wilson was:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/remembering-president-wilsons-purge-of-black-federal-workers

As we witness this unexpected and I think historic sea change at least in the symbolism of neo-Confederate nostalgia, it is worth remembering that the fight for equality and civil rights for African-Americans and against white supremacy in its various forms has never been a march in a single direction. If the arc of the moral universe bends toward justice, it's very much been a zigzag arc.

Even after the federal government withdrew its final support from Reconstructed, biracial governments in the South in 1876, those governments and movements didn't collapse overnight. Biracial politics and political movements continued on in diminished but persistent forms well until the 1890s before being finally snuffed out in a wave of Supreme Court decisions, mass disenfranchisement and violence. As Gregory Downs noted in his article on the origins of Juneteenth, in the 1890s there were some 100,000 African-American voters in Texas. By 1906 that number had fallen to fewer than 5,000. The blanket of Jim Crow absolutism that had come to rest over the South by the first years of the 20th century may have looked like some time immemorial reality. But it was actually a very new creation, finally secured only in the 1890s through an interlocking chain of Supreme Court decisions, extra-judicial violence, new legislation and the collapse of interracial political coalitions.

One of the legacies of the Civil War was a near unbroken Republican dominance of the presidency for a half century after the end of the Civil War - with the anomalous exceptions of two non-consecutive terms of Northerner Grover Cleveland, elected in 1884 and 1892. That dominance came to an end in 1912 when a division between establishment (Taft) and reform (Roosevelt) Republicans allowed the election of Woodrow Wilson, the governor of New Jersey who was nevertheless very much a Southerner, born and raised in Virginia.

Even after the North and the national Republican party withdrew military support for black political rights in the South it still remained supportive of black civil rights in a more limited but still significant way. Because of that, black voting support for the GOP then was as strong as it is for the Democratic party today, where black voting was still permitted. One of the key places that support evidenced itself was in federal hiring.

That brings us back to President Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States.

The 1912 presidential election featured not only a historic fissure in the Republican party, it also features two candidates associated with the Progressive Movement, Wilson and renegade Republican and former President Theodore Roosevelt running on the Progressive Party ticket. Wilson is known and still honored as a Progressive reformer on the domestic front and his foreign policy is still referenced as the embodiment of idealistic foreign policy engagement, putting democracy rather than realpolitik at the center of policy formulation. Yet to say that Wilson was a disappointment on civil rights is a colossal understatement.

It's not hard to find anecdotes about Wilson's celebration of the racist tour de force Birth of a Nation, the country's first cinematic blockbuster. But Wilson's racism went far, far deeper. We rightly judge people at least in part in the context of their times, not ours. But even judged against the standards of his own day, Wilson was a racist and a throwback, committed to turning back the limited gains African-Americans had held onto after Reconstruction. As an historian and political scientist, Wilson played a part in the historiographical reimagining of the Reconstruction years as a period when half savage blacks ruled over white Southerners in connivance with corrupt Northern extremists before being overthrown by white southern "redeemers" in the last two decades of the 19th century. Nor did Wilson leave his racism in the realm of ideas.

When Wilson came to Washington he quickly instituted a purge of African-American federal workers in Washington and around the country. Where purges weren't possible, federal workplaces were re-segregated, often with surreal and hideous results. Even more than Wilson, Wilson's wife Ellen, a Georgia native, was a visceral racist who was shocked to see the limited level of integration then in place in the nation's capital. She was reportedly especially disgusted to see black men and white women working in the same workplaces and took a personal role in pushing forward resegregation in Washington, DC.

Numerous African-American federal workers were fired, in many cases by white Southern Democratic appointees. The Post Master General and the Treasury Secretary both re-segregated their departments and gave supervisors free rein to fire African American employees at will. In Atlanta, 35 African-American postal workers were summarily fired. Similarly stories took place throughout the country. Wilson's Collector of Internal Revenue in Georgia said in 1913, "There are no Government positions for Negroes in the South. A Negroes place is in the cornfield."

Significantly, not only did Wilson's Southern backers see his election as an opportunity to remove the little remaining federal intrusions on the race relations in the South. They also saw it as an opportunity to expand them into the North, where many believed, with some reason, they would find a welcome reception among Northern whites. Federal workplaces introduced separate bathroom and eating facilities for African-American employees. But in many cases, it was simply not possible to create the physical infrastructure of segregation quickly enough or at all, a fact which lead to bizarre workarounds. According to W.E.B. Du Bois, in workplaces where black employees could not be separated from white employees because of the nature of the work, special cages were built for black employees within white workplaces. Really.

The effective segregation of the federal government continued in place for two decades before the tied began to shift in the 1930s under President Franklin Roosevelt.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on June 28, 2015, 01:48:57 PM

Purge people for the color of their skin and not their deviation from the Party line brehs.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 29, 2015, 02:50:13 AM

that can't be real?

a person could, and realistically should figure that Donald Trump has the biggest ego of any of the candidates, I really do think Jindal has the market cornered on that. If not ego, then at least 'delusional belief in self', or whatever that psychological disorder is called.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2015, 03:27:32 AM

SpaceX's resupply launch to the International Space Station crashed and burned yesterday. (It was unmaned if you were wondering why you hadn't heard about it.)

I sure am glad that the taxpayers are footing the bill for Elon "I make Steve Jobs look like Richard Stallman" Musk's model rocket club. Sergei Korolev faffed about with one of those too and look how he turned out. :smug

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2015, 03:32:11 AM

god i wish there were fellow defense contractor brats on this board, so much hot fire in that post :fbm

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2015, 08:53:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjpJqcM3X94

:neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: brob on June 29, 2015, 08:59:09 AM

that little graphic of the Obamacare being electroshocked back to life reminds me of the cutesy animated videos that would play on the score screen at my local bowling alley when you hit something worthwhile.  :lol

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2015, 10:17:56 AM

I don't think Jindal is delusional per se. He's not really running for president: he's running for a Fox analyst job, speaking tour booking, book tour, etc. Money.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 29, 2015, 02:20:55 PM

That John Huntsman brand of Republicanism doesn't sell many books or speaking engagements, does it? (sadly)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2015, 02:26:27 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-nbc-universal

NBC Universal has reportedly severed its business relationship with reality-TV star and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump.

CNN's Brian Stelter on Monday first reported that the network was "ending its business relationship" with Trump after the magnate railed against Mexican immigrants in his presidential announcement speech, calling them "rapists" and drug dealers.

This is beyond amazing, better than I ever could have hope for.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2015, 02:43:33 PM

I'll wait for Trump's response. If this is a ruse, ie "we're going to drop you for a year, and then pick everything back up" he'll gleefully tell us all.

Regardless lol @ this bum.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Barry Egan on June 29, 2015, 06:33:32 PM

Trump 2016 is the best reality show running right now.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2015, 07:40:08 PM

Edit: Faker than fake. :goty

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Steve Contra on June 29, 2015, 07:44:56 PM

Oh god please don't re-post anything from The National Report :maf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 29, 2015, 10:11:26 PM

It's only fake for now.  :jawalrus

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: bluemax on June 29, 2015, 10:15:41 PM

Quote from: Vularai on June 29, 2015, 03:27:32 AM

SpaceX's resupply launch to the International Space Station crashed and burned yesterday. (It was unmaned if you were wondering why you hadn't heard about it.)

I sure am glad that the taxpayers are footing the bill for Elon "I make Steve Jobs look like Richard Stallman" Musk's model rocket club. Sergei Korolev faffed about with one of those too and look how he turned out. :smug

Have you read Neal Stephenson's latest book? It features a character who is basically Elon Musk and he decides that the government's plan to save the human race is stupid so he builds his own rockets and flies off into space further than anyone else ever has. I stopped reading before finding out if he is successful, the book is totally aimed at the SpaceX loving crowd though.

It also features an analogue of Neal DeGrasse Tyson.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2015, 11:59:34 PM

I've only read Snow Crash and The Diamond Age. After the Diamond Age I kind of never wanted to read anything else he ever wrote.

IIRC he has his own private space company with Jeff Bezos (megalol) so this sounds like nerd on nerd crime. :noah

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: bluemax on June 30, 2015, 01:54:06 AM

Actually the genius guy is probably some combo of Bezos and Elon Musk.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The plot of the book is that the moon is blown up and NDT figures out that in roughly 3 years all the moon fragments will rain down on earth and everyone on earth will die. The governments of the world band together to build some kind of ridiculous ramshacke space ark to preserve humanity and Elon Musk realizes something that he won't share with anyone that's super fucked about their plan, he builds his own rocket, sneaks onto the ISS, steals some robots or something and then blasts off on a mission of his own never to be heard from (at least as far as I had read) again. From the revies the book only gets dumber from there on out.

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Don't click the spoiler if you plan on reading the book.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: chronovore on June 30, 2015, 06:41:00 AM

You guys are mean. Neal is awesome except for that shitbird Kickstarter he backed.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/29/obama-overtime_n_7536928.html

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"What we’ve seen is, increasingly, companies skirting basic overtime laws, calling somebody a manager when they’re stocking groceries and getting paid $30,000 a year," Obama said. "Those folks are being cheated."

Obabamama setting up further safeguards for American workers. Overtime pay for 5M more workers than under The Shrub's watch.

Having seen what kind of crap-fest life turns into when management feels like overtime should be standard time, I think this is great.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2015, 12:18:50 PM

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Christie_2016.png)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Brehvolution on June 30, 2015, 12:37:29 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/adamhartung/2014/09/05/obama-outperforms-reagan-on-jobs-growth-and-investing/

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 30, 2015, 02:18:58 PM

It would be sweet if we could one day decouple the idea that a sitting president bears some kind of responsibility for the economy he/she has, but it's the sports argument equivalent of "how many rings do he have?"  It's a way for dumb people to keep score.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2015, 02:58:27 PM

One day people will acknowledge that Jordan was nothing without Toni Kukoc, and one day people will acknowledge Reagan was nothing without Paul Volcker. The truth always prevails.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2015, 07:59:09 PM

http://airjudden2.tripod.com/ejf/index.htm

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 30, 2015, 08:13:26 PM

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How can you say that jordon is only worth 2 wins to the Bulls?

Easy.  The year before jordon retired, the Bulls were 57-25.  In the first year of jordon's retirement, with basically the same team, they were 55-27.  57 - 55 = 2.   If jordon was so valuable to the Bulls, you would think the Bulls would  struggle without him, like the Lakers did when Magic retired, or the Celtics did in 1989, when Larry Bird only played 6 games -- despite having 2 top-50 players (Parish & McHale), a former playoff MVP (Dennis Johnson), Reggie Lewis and Danny Ainge (for part of the season), they slipped 15 games and couldn't even win half of their games without Bird (who played the first 6).

:dead

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on June 30, 2015, 08:19:46 PM

DISCLAIMER

I am NOT Michael jordon. I know it seems odd that a person could know so much about jordon's foolishness and not BE Foolish jordon, but I guarantee, I am not.  Therefore, don't write questions asking about why I am a ballhog, or if you are a jordon jocker, please don't write asking if you may smell my underwear.  I am not a ballhog and I don't wear jordon's drawers!

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2015, 03:27:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_K0sRkvX4KE

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:letsfukk

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Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 01, 2015, 01:17:48 PM

So today California's law mandating 3 days (24 hours) of paid vacation came into effect and the adjustment period needs to conclude ASAP. The day where I don't have to listen to an employer whose company has family members with no-show / outlandishly overpaid jobs on the payroll whining about have to pay for 24 hours with no work in exchange can't come soon enough.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Boogie on July 01, 2015, 01:20:36 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 01, 2015, 01:17:48 PM

So today California's law mandating 3 days (24 hours) of paid vacation came into effect and the adjustment period needs to conclude ASAP. The day where I don't have to listen to an employer whose company has family members with no-show / outlandishly overpaid jobs on the payroll whining about have to pay for 24 hours with no work in exchange can't come soon enough.

Wow, a full 3 days of paid vacation, how controversial.

America, the greatest country in the world.

 /four weeks a year of paid vacation.  :cansmug

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: bluemax on July 02, 2015, 02:51:26 AM

Quote from: Vularai on July 01, 2015, 01:17:48 PM

So today California's law mandating 3 days (24 hours) of paid vacation came into effect and the adjustment period needs to conclude ASAP. The day where I don't have to listen to an employer whose company has family members with no-show / outlandishly overpaid jobs on the payroll whining about have to pay for 24 hours with no work in exchange can't come soon enough.

They didn't even send an email around about it where I work. A single sheet print out with the law was posted in the break room at work. I mean not that I expect a company that routinely has workers work 100 hour work weeks to give two shits about vacation laws.

So glad I got a new job.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 02, 2015, 03:04:17 AM

Quote from: Boogie on July 01, 2015, 01:20:36 PM

Wow, a full 3 days of paid vacation, how controversial.

America, the greatest country in the world.

 /four weeks a year of paid vacation.  :cansmug

My favorite meme from this is "oh they said this benefits families because that's palatable".

You can tell these people have never had to decide between going to work or going to the doctor.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Brehvolution on July 02, 2015, 09:32:24 AM

Next year at this time, I'll have hit my 10 year anniversary and get an extra week of vacation. Bringing me up to 6 weeks of vacation. 7 if I include xmas break. :pimp

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 02, 2015, 12:15:50 PM

https://twitter.com/potus/status/616338019843461121
:whoo

Aquemini :lawd

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2015, 09:38:21 PM

Esch, come get your boy

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/616375242835910656

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2015, 10:21:55 PM

People are still shook over Cuba? Brehs, it ain't 1965 anymore. :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: bluemax on July 02, 2015, 10:57:12 PM

They actually made an announcement at work today about the vacation thing. Sounds like they're gonna be handing out paperwork with everyone's hours on it or something, I dunno. I enjoyed when they said there was a poster about it in the break room. Its not a poster, its 1 page of printer paper.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Boogie on July 02, 2015, 11:18:59 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on July 02, 2015, 09:32:24 AM

Next year at this time, I'll have hit my 10 year anniversary and get an extra week of vacation. Bringing me up to 6 weeks of vacation. 7 if I include xmas break. :pimp

Damn, and I'll only get 5 weeks when I hit 10 years.  Well done, sir.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2015, 01:18:53 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2015, 09:38:21 PM

Esch, come get your boy

https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/616375242835910656

I wish we had a tough-on-crime president to keep these dangerous felons off our streets/twitters.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Positive Touch on July 03, 2015, 10:36:12 AM

I had almost a month of paid vacation. then my job eliminated all paid vacation except for two days a year :( I hate u America

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 03, 2015, 11:59:09 AM

Quote from: Positive Touch on July 03, 2015, 10:36:12 AM

I had almost a month of paid vacation. then my job eliminated all paid vacation except for two days a year :( I hate u America

If you'd already accrued it, they should either have to pay it out or honor it, despite what they're doing going forward. I think, anyway.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: bluemax on July 03, 2015, 03:27:14 PM

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/anarchy-in-the-pre-k-teaching-capitalist-ideals-to-four-year-olds-through-punk

YOURE DOING IT WRONG

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2015, 03:41:36 PM

Quote from: bluemax on July 03, 2015, 03:27:14 PM

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/anarchy-in-the-pre-k-teaching-capitalist-ideals-to-four-year-olds-through-punk

YOURE DOING IT WRONG

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I want them to see that capitalism is a great system,  unlike the bad rap it gets from the media.

 :comeon

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 03, 2015, 04:08:03 PM

Let's all learn about the wonders of the capital gains tax rate through the music of GG Allin.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 03, 2015, 04:15:54 PM

In 50 years Reagan will be credited as the first punk rock president and Kenny G will be the father of jazz.

appropriation :tocry

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 03, 2015, 06:55:47 PM

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It’s more along the lines of something that has more of a Blink-182 kind of feel to it.

Calling CPS on this sick filth.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 12:25:50 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/lEyZu4s.png)

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(http://i.imgur.com/QD6YZhz.png)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2015, 12:52:25 AM

The 2012 chart is hilarious where it's going through the cycle of a candidate peaking for a few weeks and then completely cratering. The 2016 chart is just an absolute mess.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2015, 12:56:23 AM

My last presidential election as an American will be Bush v. Clinton. :rejoice

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 01:06:54 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2015, 12:52:25 AM

The 2012 chart is hilarious where it's going through the cycle of a candidate peaking for a few weeks and then completely cratering. The 2016 chart is just an absolute mess.

Bachmann's little boom is my favorite. Then Perry enters and "oops." Then Cain rises and affairs and everything. Then Gingrich is like the last "serious" candidate left but then the fact that he has no actual campaign and is relying on the debates comes into play so he's all over the place with a collapse and second boom after getting South Carolina but then he runs out of steam and the only non-Romney candidate left, since the GOP won't ever vote for a Paul, is Santorum so he shoots up to the lead/a tie with Romney until he drops out after sitting at 1-2% for like two years.

I still think that could have been Pawlenty if he hadn't bailed out months earlier. He's a nice safe milquetoast Republican.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Sausage on July 04, 2015, 01:53:23 AM

You gotta think that Walker would be more popular with actual conservatives than Bush right?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2015, 01:53:52 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 04, 2015, 01:44:36 AM

Quote from: Vularai on July 04, 2015, 12:56:23 AM

The last presidential election in my lifetime will be Bush v. Clinton. :rejoice

FTFY.  :aah

Look for once I didn't want to be Citizen Negativity but that's the more likely description, yes. :foxx

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Mandark on July 04, 2015, 01:56:35 AM

Kara, you'll live a happy, fulfilling life into your 80's.

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...and the last US election you see will STILL probably be a Bush vs. a Clinton.

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Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 02:19:50 AM

So Bill's going to put out another kid with a second wife after Hillary gets re-elected and divorces him for Huma?

Because it's Charlotte Clinton MEZVINSKY. (Clinton's actually her middle name apparently, not a combined last name?)

She's eligible in 2052.

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What Are the Chances She Could Be a Republican?

When asked what she would do if her child grew up to be a Republican, Chelsea said: "I would find that very hard to believe."

GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT FOR ONCE MANDARK

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2015, 02:23:01 AM

Quote from: Mandark on July 04, 2015, 01:56:35 AM

Kara, you'll live a happy, fulfilling life into your 80's.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

...and the last US election you see will STILL probably be a Bush vs. a Clinton.

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I've barely kept it going a year. I have faith in myself. :smug

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2015, 02:23:10 AM

Where are you moving to, Kara?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 02:32:34 AM

Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2015, 02:46:07 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 02:32:34 AM

Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic

I do want to go on a bender while in Bender and possibly read the Ostap Bender saga again there too.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 03:51:54 AM

PD, we gotta start pushing Bernie Sanders/Rachel Dolezal as the opposition ticket to Scott Walker/Susan Martinez. Since calling the D ticket is no fun.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 04, 2015, 07:23:39 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 03:51:54 AM

PD, we gotta start pushing Bernie Sanders/Rachel Dolezal as the opposition ticket to Scott Walker/Susan Martinez. Since calling the D ticket is no fun.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI3npYJUcAEOYX5.jpg)

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/2/8884351/bernie-sanders-rally-madison-video

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2015, 09:39:07 AM

Ron Paul.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 10:42:41 AM

The guy who plays Jonah on Veep endorsed Martin O'Malley.

 :hitler

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2015, 11:09:06 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2015, 02:23:10 AM

Where are you moving to, Kara?

The homeland unless I really fall down the international tax avoidance career rabbit hole, then it'd be one of the many tax havens in the world. Selling Maki newspapers at the kibbutz. :preach

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2015, 03:11:42 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 04, 2015, 11:09:06 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2015, 02:23:10 AM

Where are you moving to, Kara?

The homeland unless I really fall down the international tax avoidance career rabbit hole, then it'd be one of the many tax havens in the world. Selling Maki newspapers at the kibbutz. :preach

Bibi's got another one.
:whew

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 04, 2015, 11:48:09 PM

The thought of spending the rest of my life under the rule of Likud does leave a certain nasty taste in my mouth. :goty

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em6sVaSSfDI

 :heh

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2015, 12:48:07 AM

Health Insurance Companies Seek Big Rate Increases for 2016 (http://"http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/04/us/health-insurance-companies-seek-big-rate-increases-for-2016.html")

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WASHINGTON — Health insurance companies around the country are seeking rate increases of 20 percent to 40 percent or more, saying their new customers under the Affordable Care Act turned out to be sicker than expected. Federal officials say they are determined to see that the requests are scaled back.

Blue Cross and Blue Shield plans — market leaders in many states — are seeking rate increases that average 23 percent in Illinois, 25 percent in North Carolina, 31 percent in Oklahoma, 36 percent in Tennessee and 54 percent in Minnesota, according to documents posted online by the federal government and state insurance commissioners and interviews with insurance executives.

The Oregon insurance commissioner, Laura N. Cali, has just approved 2016 rate increases for companies that cover more than 220,000 people. Moda Health Plan, which has the largest enrollment in the state, received a 25 percent increase, and the second-largest plan, LifeWise, received a 33 percent increase.

Jesse Ellis O’Brien, a health advocate at the Oregon State Public Interest Research Group, said: “Rate increases will be bigger in 2016 than they have been for years and years and will have a profound effect on consumers here. Some may start wondering if insurance is affordable or if it’s worth the money.”

...

Some say the marketplaces have not attracted enough healthy young people. “As a result, millions of people will face Obamacare sticker shock,” said Senator John Barrasso, Republican of Wyoming.

By contrast, Marinan R. Williams, chief executive of the Scott & White Health Plan in Texas, which is seeking a 32 percent rate increase, said the requests showed that “there was a real need for the Affordable Care Act.”

...

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of New Mexico has requested rate increases averaging 51 percent for its 33,000 members.

...

In their submissions to federal and state regulators, insurers cite several reasons for big rate increases. These include the needs of consumers, some of whom were previously uninsured; the high cost of specialty drugs; and a policy adopted by the Obama administration in late 2013 that allowed some people to keep insurance that did not meet new federal standards.

“Healthier people chose to keep their plans,” said Amy L. Bowen, a spokeswoman for the Geisinger Health Plan in Pennsylvania, and people buying insurance on the exchange were therefore sicker than expected. Geisinger, often praised as a national model of coordinated care, has requested an increase of 40 percent in rates for its health maintenance organization.

Insurers with decades of experience and brand-new plans underestimated claims costs.

“Our enrollees generated 24 percent more claims than we thought they would when we set our 2014 rates,” said Nathan T. Johns, the chief financial officer of Arches Health Plan, which covers about one-fourth of the people who bought insurance through the federal exchange in Utah. As a result, the company said, it collected premiums of $39.7 million and had claims of $56.3 million in 2014. It has requested rate increases averaging 45 percent for 2016.

The rate requests are the first to reflect a full year of experience with the new insurance exchanges and federal standards that require insurers to accept all applicants, without charging higher prices because of a person’s illness or disability.

...

In financial statements filed with the government in the last two months, some insurers said that their claims payments totaled not just 80 percent, but more than 100 percent of premiums. And that, they said, is unsustainable.

At Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Minnesota, for example, the ratio of claims paid to premium revenues was more than 115 percent, and the company said it lost more than $135 million on its individual insurance business in 2014. “Based on first-quarter results,” it said, “the year-end deficit for 2015 individual business is expected to be significantly higher.”

BlueCross BlueShield of Tennessee, the largest insurer in the state’s individual market, said its proposed increase of 36 percent could affect more than 209,000 consumers.

“There’s not a lot of mystery to it,” said Roy Vaughn, a vice president of the Tennessee Blue Cross plan. “We lost a significant amount of money in the marketplace, $141 million, because we were not very accurate in predicting the utilization of health care.”

...

After public hearings and a rigorous review, Ms. Cali, the Oregon insurance commissioner, found that the cost of providing coverage to individuals and families in 2014 was $830 million, while premiums were only $703 million. She directed some carriers to raise rates in 2016 even more than they had proposed.

Health Net, for example, requested rate increases averaging 9 percent in Oregon. The state approved increases averaging 34.8 percent. Oregon’s Health Co-op requested a 5.3 percent increase. The state called for a 19.9 percent increase.

...

Coventry Health Care, now owned by Aetna, is seeking rate increases that average 22 percent for 70,000 consumers in Missouri. “The claims experience for these plans has been worse than anticipated,” Coventry reported.

In its proposal to increase rates by an average of 25 percent for more than 397,000 consumers, Blue Cross and Blue Shield of North Carolina cited “inpatient costs, particularly in treatment of cancer and heart conditions, emergency room utilization, and cost for specialty drug medications” to treat hepatitis C, breast cancer and cystic fibrosis.

Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas sought increases averaging 37 percent for 2016 and said the increase could affect 28,600 consumers.

“Kansans who purchased these individual plans since 2014 were older, in general, than expected and required more medical services than anticipated,” the company told federal health officials.

 :mouf <- insurance companies

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2015, 01:54:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 12:25:50 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/lEyZu4s.png)

Makes for a cool Hotline Miami skyline.
So will the first RNC debates have like 20 candidates speaking ?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2015, 01:59:19 AM

I think the plan is to have the top 10 polling candidates in the main debate, but to have an undercard with the rest.

Which means Trump and Carson could easily be bumping a couple more "legitimate" candidates like Santorum or Graham into the second tier.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2015, 03:16:07 AM

Fox is only doing the top ten candidates, I think CNN is next and they're doing the two-tier debate with the top ten candidates followed by one with anyone polling over 1%. I don't think the debates after that have said.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2015, 02:53:38 PM

Bernie going for the Bore vote hardcore
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/05/bernie-sanders-cabinet_n_7730208.html

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2015, 03:08:46 PM

Stiglitz and Reich

 :preach

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2015, 03:24:23 PM

Just can't get excited about Sanders at this point in the election. I'd like to be wrong, but my feeling is that he's going to end up being a liberal Ron Paul, a flash in the pan who excites a certain group of people but who ends up leaving exactly zero impact on the election.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2015, 03:26:27 PM

I doubt he wins any primaries (maybe Vermont) and I highly doubt he even really "shifts the debate" like people think he's going to.

But, it's still a good thing he's running. I like him a lot.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 05, 2015, 04:06:24 PM

at the very least, he's denying Chafee, O'Malley, and Webb whatever sort of coverage they would have gotten. I really would rather the non-Hillary primary stuff be about Bernie Sanders then those empty suits.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2015, 05:44:30 PM

The rest of the Dem field is pretty shitty, tbh. I'd much rather it be a discussion for mainstream, centrist democratic policies vs. Bernie.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2015, 11:19:16 PM

Interested in seeing how Sanders' campaign affects Hillary's, if at all.  "We should stake out a bunch of liberal territory so he doesn't paint us as an uninspiring DINO" vs. "Great, let's beat up the lefty weirdo so we can establish our centrist credibility for the general election."

Basically hoping he can be John Edwards (or even Steve Forbes/Tom Tancredo) rather than Ron Paul.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2015, 11:32:01 PM

She moved to the left before the process began, presumably to ensure she wouldn't get outflanked by a liberal challenger. Outside of TPP I haven't really seen any major differences between the two on current issues. Of course Bernie is more liberal but both want to raise the minimum wage, both want higher taxes for the wealthy, both support immigration reform/further executive actions, both want to get rid of Citizen's United, etc. I'd imagine Hillary's people recognize these positions don't hurt her in the general election so fuck it.

That being said I eagerly await Jennifer Rubin's #hottake that Hillary is being pulled to the far left just as Romney was pulled to the far right and there's no way she can win a general election.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2015, 11:38:59 PM

That's the impression I got, though I haven't been paying close attention.  Her comments on mass incarceration are definitely a departure from how I remember the Clintons talking about crime in the 90's.

On that topic, I don't think Romney even moved that far to the right.  He emphasized different things and made his rhetoric about Obama a lot more aggro, but I don't remember him staking out any actual positions outside of mainstream American conservatism.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2015, 11:55:40 PM

He did go to the right on immigration, but I think you're correct outside of that. I remember him attacking Perry pretty tough on immigration, back when it seemed like Perry would be a well financed challenger for him, and some of his comments then were later used against him in the primary. Not to mention the self deportation comments.

Some might say his Obamacare comments count too but eh...at the time there was so much uncertainty (iirc the SC ruling came down in July 2012) about the law, plus it wasn't popular and the exchanges hadn't gone into effect. I don't remember the exact polling on whether people wanted the law fully repealed or not but I'd imagine it was close enough not to hurt Romney. Whereas now the general election viability of a "repeal" platform is pretty much nil, given how many people are signed up or directly benefit from the law.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: chronovore on July 06, 2015, 02:42:51 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 05, 2015, 12:03:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em6sVaSSfDI

 :heh

Oh, god, what is this feeling? What does it mean when I agree with Coulter? :yuck

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2015, 03:37:13 PM

How come Texans don't have to support the troops?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-americans-are-coming-texans-fear-obama-led-us-military-invasion/2015/07/04/58047fee-2001-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2015, 03:53:13 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 04, 2015, 02:46:07 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 02:32:34 AM

Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic

I do want to go on a bender while in Bender and possibly read the Ostap Bender saga again there too.

Shakespeare was believed to use 12000 different words in his vocabulary. A savage african has maybe 300 in his. She had 30.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2015, 04:00:24 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 06, 2015, 03:37:13 PM

How come Texans don't have to support the troops?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-americans-are-coming-texans-fear-obama-led-us-military-invasion/2015/07/04/58047fee-2001-11e5-84d5-eb37ee8eaa61_story.html

Obviously the location where they filmed The Texas Chainsaw Massacre and the birthplace of Michael Moorcock would be crucial during an Obamavasion of Texas.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Brehvolution on July 06, 2015, 04:00:39 PM

Those poor, guuuuuuuuullible people.  :snoop

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2015, 05:34:34 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on July 06, 2015, 03:53:13 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 04, 2015, 02:46:07 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 04, 2015, 02:32:34 AM

Pridnestrovian Moldavian Republic

I do want to go on a bender while in Bender and possibly read the Ostap Bender saga again there too.

Shakespeare was believed to use 12000 different words in his vocabulary. A savage african has maybe 300 in his. She had 30.

The Twelve Chairs has a lot more questionable humor than The Golden Calf and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it far less than its sequel.

The chapter on tribal people in their American travelogue is quite on point. (This was written at the end of their career.) I like to think we can always get better.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2015, 08:35:24 PM

Kara, I heard your call into The Savage Nation today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookj1EluNRY#t=38m48s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ookj1EluNRY#t=38m48s)

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lol at the ads scrolling at the bottom

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Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2015, 08:44:16 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 06, 2015, 09:14:53 PM

Mods pls change my name to "an Embarrassment to the Jewish People" tia.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2015, 09:21:43 PM

Moses will do.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: VomKriege on July 06, 2015, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 06, 2015, 05:34:34 PM

The Twelve Chairs has a lot more questionable humor than The Golden Calf and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it far less than its sequel.

RNC candidates are all the Sons of Ronald Reagan.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2015, 12:29:52 AM

Quote

Statement from Donald J. Trump:

I don’t see how there is any room for misunderstanding or misinterpretation of the statement I made on June 16th during my Presidential announcement speech. Here is what I said, and yet this statement is deliberately distorted by the media:

“When Mexico (meaning the Mexican Government) sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you (pointing to the audience). They’re not sending you (pointing again). They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re bringing drugs.They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people! But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people. It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.”

What can be simpler or more accurately stated? The Mexican Government is forcing their most unwanted people into the United States. They are, in many cases, criminals, drug dealers, rapists, etc. This was evident just this week when, as an example, a young woman in San Francisco was viciously killed by a 5 time deported Mexican with a long criminal record, who was forced back into the United States because they didn’t want him in Mexico. This is merely one of thousands of similar incidents throughout the United States. In other words, the worst elements in Mexico are being pushed into the United States by the Mexican government. The largest suppliers of heroin, cocaine and other illicit drugs are Mexican cartels that arrange to have Mexican immigrants trying to cross the borders and smuggle in the drugs. The Border Patrol knows this. Likewise, tremendous infectious disease is pouring across the border. The United States has become a dumping ground for Mexico and, in fact, for many other parts of the world. On the other hand, many fabulous people come in from Mexico and our country is better for it. But these people are here legally, and are severely hurt by those coming in illegally. I am proud to say that I know many hard working Mexicans—many of them are working for and with me…and, just like our country, my organization is better for it.

The Mexican Government wants an open border as long as it’s a ONE WAY open border into the United States. Not only are they killing us at the border, but they are killing us on trade … and the country of Mexico is making billions of dollars in doing so.

I have great respect for Mexico and love their people and their peoples’ great spirit. The problem is, however, that their leaders are far smarter, more cunning, and better negotiators than ours. To the citizens of the United States, who I will represent far better than anyone else as President, the Mexican government is not our friend…and why should they be when the relationship is totally one sided in their favor on both illegal immigration and trade. I have pointed this out during my speeches and it is something Mexico doesn’t want me to say. In actuality, it was only after my significant rise in the polls that Univision, previously my friend, went ballistic. I believe that my examples of bad trade deals for the United States was of even more concern to the Mexican government than my talk of border security.

I have lost a lot during this Presidential run defending the people of the United States. I have always heard that it is very hard for a successful person to run for President. Macy’s, NBC, Serta and NASCAR have all taken the weak and very sad position of being politically correct even though they are wrong in terms of what is good for our country. Univision, because 70% of their business comes from Mexico, in my opinion, is being dictated to by the Mexican Government. The last thing Mexico wants is Donald Trump as President in that I will make great trade deals for the United States and will have an impenetrable border--only legally approved people will come through easily.

Interestingly, Univision has just announced they are attempting to go public despite very poor and even negative earnings, which is not a good situation for a successful IPO or high stock price—not to mention that I am currently suing them for breach of contract. Remember, Univision is the one who began this charade in the first place, and they are owned by one of Hillary Clinton’s biggest backers. After the speech was made, there were numerous compliments and indeed, many rave “reviews”—there was very little criticism. It wasn’t until a week after my announcement that people started to totally distort these very easy to understand words. If there was something stated incorrectly, it would have been brought up immediately and with great enthusiasm.

The issues I have addressed, and continue to address, are vital steps to Make America Great Again! Additionally, I would be the best jobs President that God ever created. Let’s get to work!

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Mandark on July 07, 2015, 01:10:08 AM

Posting another Mickey Kaus column, benji?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2015, 01:17:47 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on July 06, 2015, 11:37:12 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 06, 2015, 05:34:34 PM

The Twelve Chairs has a lot more questionable humor than The Golden Calf and that's one of the reasons I enjoy it far less than its sequel.

RNC candidates are all the Sons of Ronald Reagan.

Like 90% of my job is making sure irl Bureaux of Horns and Hooves stay on the level. :lol

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2015, 01:27:05 AM

Quote from: Mandark on July 07, 2015, 01:10:08 AM

Posting another Mickey Kaus column, benji?

This actually made me head over to the kausfiles, I had forgotten it's 95% a feed for his twitter now.

He appears to think Trump is working in tandem with Jeb to blunt his foes and make Jeb look like the only reasonable candidate as others chase after Trump.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2015, 01:29:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw_VqV4kdX0

 :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2015, 09:02:35 AM

Trump is a cartoon character, a caricature of his former self stretched so broadly that it is impossible to take him seriously anymore.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: studyguy on July 07, 2015, 11:40:23 AM

I have to hand it to the GOP with their Trump fall guy strategy.
I mean basically anyone will look like Jesus next to Trump when running without ever having done anything.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2015, 01:19:01 PM

Quote from: studyguy on July 07, 2015, 11:40:23 AM

I have to hand it to the GOP with their Trump fall guy strategy.
I mean basically anyone will look like Jesus next to Trump when running without ever having done anything.

But that is only a viable strategy if Trump avoids becoming somewhat popular, which he is currently doing a poor job at. Another problem is that there's no clear front-runner, so even 15-20% popularity is enough to put Trump near the front of the pack. Rather than being a useful idiot, I really think the GOP is praying quite fervently that Trump just goes away very soon.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 07, 2015, 01:20:45 PM

He's really doing alright despite all this? :goty2

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2015, 01:41:13 PM

Some of the latest polls have shown that his numbers jumped significantly since he made those comments, enough to put him just behind Jeb.

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Post by: studyguy on July 07, 2015, 02:17:16 PM

He's trailing second in 3 swing states iirc.
Vote for bigots in 2016 brehs

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Post by: Kara on July 07, 2015, 02:22:46 PM

:goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2015, 02:41:59 PM

So many clowns came and went in 2012 that I can't help but assume Trump will implode well before voting actually begins.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2015, 03:03:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2015, 02:41:59 PM

So many clowns came and went in 2012 that I can't help but assume Trump will implode well before voting actually begins.

Who cares about voting, we just need to get him to a debate.

(http://i.imgur.com/VHUlf74.jpg?1)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2015, 03:11:44 PM

One more month! All he has to do is not fall 8-9 spots lol. IIRC the first debates only include the top ten candidates, based on polling.

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Post by: Steve Contra on July 07, 2015, 03:15:37 PM

Trump exposing the big issue of the primaries early on is a great thing.  The 'pubs are going to have no problem throwing Jeb and Marco under the bus on immigration when this thing really gets going.

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Post by: Barry Egan on July 07, 2015, 03:55:37 PM

imagine being Reince Prebius right now, with the Donald on his way to a GOP debate.  Just imagine.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2015, 04:18:30 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on July 07, 2015, 03:55:37 PM

imagine being Reince Prebius right now, with the Donald on his way to a GOP debate.  Just imagine.

Easiest job in America, apparently. Does he even do anything?

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Post by: brawndolicious on July 07, 2015, 04:18:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2015, 02:41:59 PM

So many clowns came and went in 2012 that I can't help but assume Trump will implode well before voting actually begins.

If he was a relatively unknown candidate, yeah that's exactly what I'd expect. But this is Trump, people already know his brand and any skeletons he might have. I don't think he has any hope of winning but there's a good chance he'll campaign until April.

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Post by: Brehvolution on July 07, 2015, 04:19:34 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2015, 04:18:30 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on July 07, 2015, 03:55:37 PM

imagine being Reince Prebius right now, with the Donald on his way to a GOP debate.  Just imagine.

Easiest job in America, apparently. Does he even do anything?

He's the head of gerrymandering.

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Post by: Brehvolution on July 07, 2015, 04:38:56 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/roy-moore-i-hope-we-dont-have-a-war-because-of-same-sex-marriage/

From the comments:

Quote

Y'all-queda issuing video threats again I see.

"Y'all-queda" :whew :dead

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2015, 05:44:40 PM

Notice how Drudge, Brietbart and other rightwing sites are basically doing Trump's work for him by highlighting every story about illegal immigrants killing (white) people. This isn't going away.

As I said, South Carolina's primary is gonna be filthy brehs. :whew

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Post by: studyguy on July 07, 2015, 05:58:07 PM

You know, in light of Trump's comments.
I'm feeling a bit of the ol' rape bug. Maybe I'll go out and terrorize a white suburb.
Maybe sell some coke on the side too. It's only 3PM. Got all day.
 :hitler

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Post by: Kara on July 07, 2015, 05:59:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2015, 05:44:40 PM

Notice how Drudge, Brietbart and other rightwing sites are basically doing Trump's work for him by highlighting every story about illegal immigrants killing (white) people. This isn't going away.

As I said, South Carolina's primary is gonna be filthy brehs. :whew

"If this is to be our end, then I would have them make such an end, as to be worthy of remembrance."

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2015, 09:18:39 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/420806/dukes-of-hazzard-general-lee-bubba-watson-erasing-flag-american-history

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There is a clear and necessary answer to Watson’s rather naïve inquiry, “Why not the American flag?” That answer: Because the General Lee is a piece of America’s cultural history, and civilized people do not vandalize their antiques.

It is fashionable in our age to seek unity in all things, but the “General Lee” is not a statehouse, responsive to and reflective of the popular will. It is a historical artifact and cultural totem that sums up a particular moment in time. By amending it to suit contemporary fashions Watson is seeking, in effect, to erase that moment from history.

Man, our cultural history is wack af. :neogaf

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2015, 09:31:13 PM

My Facebook feed is not a statehouse, responsive to and reflective of the popular will. It is a historical artifact and cultural totem that sums up a particular moment in time.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2015, 12:42:19 AM

Holder would have been GOAT attorney general if he hadn't let the banks off with a pat on the wrist.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2015, 10:23:36 AM

Not to mention his blind eye to various civil liberty infractions.

I'll give him rap though. At least he's not heading to Wall Street.

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Post by: studyguy on July 08, 2015, 06:50:15 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-i-will-win-latino-vote-n388696

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Donald Trump said Wednesday that he believes he will win the Latino vote, slamming Hillary Clinton for promoting what he called an immigration policy that would "let everybody come in… killers, criminals, drug dealers."

:huh

This is some meta political strategy shit right here.

(http://i.imgur.com/n9rxyK5.png)

This is where we at in 2015 brehs

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2015, 09:02:57 PM

Quote

Trump On Retweet About Jeb's Wife: 'No, I Don't Regret It'

Donald Trump said he doesn't regret retweeting a racially charged remark about fellow 2016 candidate Jeb Bush’s wife, in a sit-down interview with CNN Wednesday.

Although Trump said he didn’t authorize retweeting the message -- “#JebBush has to like the Mexican illegals because of his wife” -- he doesn’t regret sending the message, saying he believes Columba Bush’s Mexican heritage influences his stance on immigration.

"No, I don't regret it," Trump told Anderson Cooper. “If my wife were from Mexico, I think I would have a soft spot for people from Mexico. ... I’ve heard she’s a lovely woman, by the way.”

Trump also responded to a Washington Post report earlier this week that despite his remarks that immigrants entering the U.S. illegally are ruining the country, there are undocumented workers on the construction site of Trump’s new luxury hotel in DC.

Trump said he only wished the Post had named names so that he could fire any undocumented workers.

“I wish they would give us some names, we would get them out immediately,” he said.

Although he shifted some blame on the project’s contractor for hiring the workers on site, Trump said the buck "absolutely" stops with him and that he “can’t guarantee” all workers on his projects have legal immigration status.

The full interview airs tonight on CNN at 8 p.m. EDT.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-immigration-jeb-bush-cnn (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-immigration-jeb-bush-cnn)

(http://i.imgur.com/tmjSNZ2.gif)

And most republican candidates still haven't forcefully condemned him. I assumed Hillary was going to win the Hispanic vote regardless but this fiasco alone could ensure she beats Obama's 2012 numbers (he won 71% of the Hispanic vote). Jeez.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2015, 09:11:10 PM

Don't worry about it, PD. He has GOT the Latino vote locked down! They love him!

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/donald-trump-i-will-win-latino-vote-n388696

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2015, 09:16:00 PM

Hispanics getting that wake up call
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEcJBIOnqMU

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 08, 2015, 09:24:04 PM

GOP leadership has got to be freaking out right now. :neogaf

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Post by: Kara on July 08, 2015, 09:27:51 PM

:goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2 :goty2

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2015, 10:28:10 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
:neogaf

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Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2015, 10:42:28 PM

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PPP's newest North Carolina poll finds that Donald Trump's momentum just keeps on building. He's the top choice of Republican primary voters in the state, getting 16% to 12% for Jeb Bush and Scott Walker, 11% for Mike Huckabee, 9% for Ben Carson and Marco Rubio, 7% for Rand Paul, 6% for Ted Cruz, 5% for Chris Christie, 4% for Carly Fiorina, 2% for Rick Perry, 1% each for Lindsey Graham, Bobby Jindal, and Rick Santorum, and less than 1% each for John Kasich and George Pataki.

Trump's favorability rating in North Carolina is 55/32, much higher than we were finding in national polls prior to his entry into the race. Trump's really caught fire with voters on the far right- 66% of 'very conservative' voters see him favorably to only 24% with a negative view of him. Trump is polling particularly well with younger voters (29%) and men (20%).

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-steamrolls-nbc-reporter-takes-shots-at-krauthammer-and-jonah-goldberg/

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when Tur asked whether he owns a gun, the following exchange ensued:

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TRUMP: I have the license to have a gun, yes, I do.
TUR: Do you own one?
TRUMP: Yes, I do.
TUR: Do you use it? Gun range?
TRUMP: That’s none of your business. It’s really none of your business. I have a license to have a gun.
TUR: Gun control?
TRUMP: What are you talking about?
TUR: Or stronger background checks?
TRUMP: Yes, I have a gun and, yes, I have a permit to have a gun.
TUR: Stronger background checks? What about that? Is there any steps that you would take to make it harder to get a gun in this country?
TRUMP: Once you get into that, you start getting into a situation, the slippery slope where all of a sudden you’re going to really violate the Second Amendment. I don’t want to do anything to violate the Second Amendment. To me, the Second Amendment is very important.

And then came Trump’s time to bash all his famous conservative critics.

On Charles Krauthammer, who called him a “rodeo clown”: He’s “a totally overrated person that dislikes me personally. I’ve never met him. He’s a totally overrated guy, doesn’t know what he’s doing.”

On Jonah Goldberg, who compared him to a “failed man”: “I’m worth a fortune. You know, it’s interesting. I went to the best school, got great marks, everything else. I went out, I made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune… bigger than people even understand. […] Then I get called by a guy that can’t buy a pair of pants, I get called names?” [Ed. note: Huh? Does anyone know why Trump would think Goldberg can’t buy pants? Send tips to tips@mediaite.com]

“By the way,” Trump smirked at Tur, “are you going to mention the ones that do like Trump? No, you don’t do that.”

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Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2015, 11:14:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRVTv7ic8Ok

why does he do all these in the lobby

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2015, 11:24:45 PM

I made a fortune, a big fortune, a tremendous fortune, a yoooooge fortune!

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Post by: Kara on July 08, 2015, 11:35:53 PM

THE WORST SECRETARY OF STATE IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES

:iface benji whip out some Gilded Age losers for Comrade Trump.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2015, 11:37:42 PM

Academia has spoken: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/in-the-loop/wp/2015/02/05/scholars-rank-kerry-dead-last-in-terms-of-effectiveness/

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Post by: Kara on July 08, 2015, 11:42:16 PM

AN IMPENETRABLE WALL

:idont Even the SED couldn't do that Donald.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2015, 11:50:34 PM

John C. Calhoun is the taco who compromised on "Fifty-four Forty or Fight!"

Daniel Webster had an alright term and then a shitty term where he focused on enforcing the Fugitive Slave Act as Secretary of State.

We talk about rotation and the same dopes getting into power these days, but it's mostly all underlings, it's kinda crazy how many dopes in the 19th century rotated among all the cabinet posts/Presidency/Senate constantly. Henry Clay being a prominent example. James Buchanan.

Elliot Richardson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliot_Richardson) is the modern day king. Under Secretary of State, Secretary of HEW, Secretary of Defense, Attorney General, Ambassador to the UK, Secretary of Commerce. People tried to setup him for a Presidential run many times, he ran for the Senate for what became John Kerry's seat. Spiro Agnew always thought that Richardson had pushed the prosecution that drove him out so Richardson could become the Vice President and then force Nixon's resignation to become President.

Spiro Agnew was great. I wonder why there was little about him in that Buchanan book.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on July 09, 2015, 12:11:57 AM

Probably because Spiro Agnew is an anagram for "grow a penis"

This Trump shit has got me all (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/banderas.png), brehs

Watching the end times, it feels like. FEELS GOOD.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2015, 12:16:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 08, 2015, 10:28:10 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-could-damage-the-republican-image-party-leaders-worry/2015/07/08/2ec75b4c-25ab-11e5-b72c-2b7d516e1e0e_story.html
:neogaf

NOBODY PUTS TRUMP IN A CORNER

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 12:34:45 AM

One interesting thing (lol ya rite) about Spiro Agnew is that he now has this reputation as a conservative firebrand type, but he was actually one of the more "liberal" governors of his era, the main exception being he came down hard on the riots in Baltimore and he hated the media. He originally beat his Democratic opponent in 1966 by focusing on enacting more punishing anti-discrimination housing laws among other civil rights improvements, which the Democrat opposed, so Agnew swept the black vote.

During the riots he invited a large contingent of "black leaders" of Baltimore to a meeting with him on remedies, and most walked out because this is the speech he dropped:

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Hard on the heels of tragedy come the assignment of blame and the excuses. I did not invite you here for either purpose. I did not ask you here to recount previous deprivations, or to hear me enumerate prior attempts to correct them. I did not request your presence to bid for peace with the public dollar.

Look around you and you may notice that every one here is a leader—and that each leader present has worked his way to the top. If you'll observe, the ready-mix, instantaneous type of leader is not present. The circuit-riding, Hanoi-visiting type of leader is missing from this assembly. The caterwauling, riot-inciting, burn-America-down type of leader is conspicuous by his absence. That is no accident, ladies and gentlemen, it is just good planning. And in the vernacular of today—"that's what it's all about, baby. "

Some weeks ago, a reckless stranger to this City, carrying the credentials of a well-known civil rights organization, characterized the Baltimore Police as "enemies of the black man." Some of you here, to your eternal credit, quickly condemned this demagogic proclamation. You condemned it because you recognized immediately that it was an attempt to undermine lawful authority—the authority under which you were elected and under which you hold your leadership position. You spoke out against it because you knew it was false and was uttered to attract attention and inflame.

When you, who courageously slapped hard at irresponsibility, acted, you did more for civil rights than you realize. But when white leaders openly complimented you for your objective, courageous action, you immediately encountered a storm of censure from parts of the Negro community. The criticism was born of a perverted concept of race loyalty and inflamed by the type of leader who, as I earlier mentioned, is not here today.

And you ran. You met in secret with that demagogue and others like him—and you agreed, according to published reports that have not been denied, that you would not openly criticize any black spokesman, regardless of the content of his remarks. You were beguiled by the rationalizations of unity; you were intimidated by veiled threats; you were stung by insinuations that you were Mr. Charlie's boy, by epithets like "Uncle Tom."

God knows I cannot fault you who spoke out for breaking and running in the face of what appeared to be overwhelming opinion in the Negro community. But actually it was only the opinion of those who depend upon chaos and turmoil for leadership—those who deliberately were not invited today. It was the opinion of a few, distorted and magnified by the silence of most of you here today.

Now, parts of many of our cities lie in ruins. You need not leave these City limits to verify the destruction and the resulting hardship to our citizens. And you know whom the fires burned out just as you know who lit the fires. They were not lit in honor of your great fallen leader. Nor were they lit from an overwhelming sense of frustration and despair. Those fires were kindled at the suggestion and with the instruction of the advocates of violence. It was no accident that one such advocate appeared at eight separate fires before the fire chief could get there.

The looting and rioting which has engulfed our City during the past several days did not occur by chance. It is no mere coincidence that a national disciple of violence, Mr. Stokely Carmichael, was observed meeting with local black power advocates and known criminals In Baltimore on April 3, 1968—three days before the Baltimore riots began.

It is deplorable and a sign of sickness in our society that the lunatic fringes of the black and white communities speak with wide publicity while we, the moderates, remain continuously mute. I cannot believe that the only alternative to white racism is black racism. Somewhere the objectives of the civil rights movement have been obscured in a surge of emotional oversimplification. Somewhere the goal of equal opportunity has been replaced by the goal of instantaneous economic equality. This country does not guarantee that every man will be successful but only that he will have an equal opportunity to achieve success. I readily admit that this equal opportunity has not always been present for Negroes—that it is still not totally present for Negroes. But I say that we have come a long way. And I say that the road we have trodden is built with the sweat of the Roy Wilkinses and the Whitney Youngs—with the spiritual leadership of Dr. Martin Luther King—and not with violence.

Tell me one constructive achievement that has flowed from the madness of the twin priests of violence, Stokely Carmichael and Rap Brown. They do not build—they demolish. They are agents of destruction and they will surely destroy us if we do not repudiate them and their philosophies—along with the white racists such as Joseph Carroll and Connie Lynch—the American Nazi Party, the John Birchers, and their fellow travelers.

The bitterness of past and present days has been brewed by words like these:

We have to retaliate for the deaths of our leaders. The execution for those deaths will not be in the court rooms. They're going to be in the streets of the United States of America.... Black people know that they have to get guns.—Stokely Carmichael: Washington, D. C., April 5, 1968

And:

To hell with the laws of the United States.... Your brothers in the ghettos are going to wake up with matches... if a white man tries to walk over you, kill him... one match and you can retaliate. Burn, baby, burn... We're going to tear the cities up....—Stokely Carmichael: Miles College, April 4, 1967

And:

Get yourselves some guns. The honky is your enemy. The brothers are now calling Detroit destroyed. You did a good job here. [This City's riot will] look like a picnic [after black people unite] to take their due. —Rap Brown: Detroit, August 27, 1967

And:

Black people are being forced to become both judge and jury. We must arm ourselves with rifles, shotguns, pistols, bow and arrows (with poison arrows), BB guns (with poison BBs), gas, rags, bottles and knives. The only way to get justice in this evil land is to kill the white devil before he kills you.—Willard Dixon in a publication, "The Black Dispatch, a voice of the Black Ghetto. "

What possible hope is there for peace in our community if these apostles of anarchy are allowed to spew hatred unchallenged?  If we are to learn from bitter experience, if we are to progress in the battle for equal opportunity, we must plan together and execute those plans together. To do this we must be able to communicate. We cannot communicate and progress if the lunatic fringes are included in the problem-solving team. 

I publicly repudiate, condemn, and reject all white racists. I call upon you to publicly repudiate, condemn and reject all black racists. This, so far, you have not been willing to do. I call upon you as Americans to speak out now against the treason and hate of Stokely Carmichael and Rap Brown. If our nation is not to move toward two separate societies—one white and one black—you have an obligation, too.

I submit to you that these men and others like them represent a malignancy out of control; that they will lead us to a devastating racial civil war. I submit to you that there can be no winner from such a conflict and that the heaviest losers will be the Negro citizens of America.

It is not too late to return to the true target of the crusade for equality. The target is the elimination of all prejudice against Negroes in America and the provision of an equal opportunity to reach the top. That target will be realized when every man is judged on his own individual merit and only on his merit. Divisiveness and the doctrine of apartheid are impenetrable barriers between us and that target. With your help they can be torn down I am sure that these remarks come as somewhat of a surprise to you; that you expected nebulous promises and rationalizations and possibly a light endorsement of the Kerner report. This I could not do.

Some hard things needed to be said. The desperate need to confront the problem squarely justified the political risk in saying them. I need your help, but your help would be of little value if you did not know and subscribe to the objectives for which I seek it. We can do much together—little apart. Blind militancy must be converted into constructive purpose. This cannot occur so long as you or I condone or cling to racism, black or white. We do not deserve the mantle of leadership unless we are prepared to wear it proudly and, if need be, defiantly.

Above all, I believe you represent the views of the overwhelming majority of Maryland's Negro citizens—responsible, hard-working, decent people who are as horrified by the events of the past days as you or I. These are the people who will be unjustly victimized by a hardening of attitudes in the responsible, decent white community—white people who clearly repudiated racism in the 1966 election—white people who could normally be expected to endorse the 1967 open housing legislation on referendum this November.

My greatest fear is this polarization of attitudes as an aftermath of violence. Next I fear that we cannot endure continuous tension over the next months—that our community cannot live in constant fear that any irrational provocation may cause racial war.

Together we must work first to prevent polarization and second to reduce tension. I will need your vision and your voice. Now as never before your articulate, responsible leadership is needed. I am prepared to do whatever I can to aid the innocent victims of last weekend's rampage, to alleviate clear abuses and to enlarge opportunity within the inner city.  We must do this—as I said in my report to the people last Sunday night—"not out of fear of reprisal but out of certain faith that it is right."

So let us begin to rebuild now—to rebuild our City and to rebuild the image of Baltimore. Let us work together—not as black and white—but as responsible citizens of Maryland who uphold the law; as concerned citizens who are united in their dedication to eliminate prejudice and poverty or any conditions which create hopelessness and despair. Let us promptly and publicly renounce any who counsel or condone violence. Let us acknowledge that we have a real stake in our society. Let us proudly acclaim our patriotism and our recognition that no other nation in the world offers such opportunity.

The fiction that Negroes lack any opportunity in this country is dispelled by the status of those of you in this room.  As Thomas Jefferson said, nearly two centuries ago, "With all the imperfections of our present government, it is without comparison the best existing, or that ever did exist."

That's what propelled him to national and conservative fame and Nixon's ticket.

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Post by: Mandark on July 09, 2015, 01:25:47 AM

My dad actually campaigned for Agnew for governor, because of George Mahoney's segregationist platform.  Talk about the lesser of two evils.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 01:28:24 AM

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/545ad808e4b01ba1e16dff00/t/54a32130e4b08424e6923110/1419977008946/)
(http://www.theweeklings.com/wp-content/uploads/RAD-Duke-Edwards-bumper-sticker.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 09, 2015, 10:11:56 AM

Quote from: Donald Trump

Totally false reporting on my call with @Reince Priebus. He called me, ten minutes, said I hit a “nerve", doing well, end!

:neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Brehvolution on July 09, 2015, 10:30:52 AM

http://teensleuth.com/blog/?p=31077

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: benjipwns on July 09, 2015, 03:57:57 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/martin-omalley-offers-attack-on-wall-street-119885.html

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Former Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley on Thursday unveiled a sharp attack on Wall Street, looking to gain ground on a surging Sen. Bernie Sanders and to increase pressure on Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton.

O’Malley’s campaign said the former governor would send “an open letter to the Too Big To Fail Wall Street mega-banks telling them how — as President — he will pursue every avenue to put in place real structural and accountability reforms that will rein in their reckless behavior.” O’Malley also released what the campaign billed as “a comprehensive policy plan” that would “bring real enforcement to Wall Street and implement critical reforms to limit taxpayer exposure to Too Big To Fail banks.”

https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/619132669973151745 (https://twitter.com/Phil_Mattingly/status/619132669973151745)

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The first footnote in @MartinOMalley's Wall Street white paper actually sources to a satirical news story/site

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJeZw2vWcAAJncT.jpg:large)
http://dailycurrant.com/2014/09/26/eric-holder-takes-77-million-job-with-jpmorgan-chase/ (http://dailycurrant.com/2014/09/26/eric-holder-takes-77-million-job-with-jpmorgan-chase/)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - 9 Uneleted Tyrants Throatcram us with Obamamarriage
Post by: Kara on July 09, 2015, 04:09:43 PM

:goty2

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Post by: Samson Manhug on July 09, 2015, 11:11:36 PM

Why are baby boomers so bad at detecting satire online? We're there not any millenials on his staff fact checking this stuff? It's dumbfounding.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 09, 2015, 11:25:49 PM

I'm pretty sure some 23 year old greenlit that shit, bro.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on July 10, 2015, 02:42:25 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/USOOV4W.jpg)

Young Bernie Sanders or Steve Contra?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 10, 2015, 05:55:15 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/gJ4JcCq.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on July 10, 2015, 10:39:08 PM

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e8dd8e7af78661384315164720dbafdd/tumblr_nnjkkmwwLd1sq3ndmo1_400.gif)

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Post by: ZephyrFate on July 10, 2015, 11:41:07 PM

Holy fuck do I want Bernie Sanders as President real bad.  :(

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 11, 2015, 12:24:57 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 10, 2015, 11:41:07 PM

Holy fuck do I want Bernie Sanders as President real bad.  :(

I can't figure out if the best thing about it would be Bernie's progressive policies possibly becoming reality, or the conservative pundit class about face on Obama and how "He wasn't so bad, not like this schmuck we've got now."

Everyone calling B-Rock a dangerous socialist now would have their friggin hearts explode once President Sanders sics the justice department and the IRS on the Wall Street class.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 12:27:59 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 11, 2015, 12:24:57 AM

the conservative pundit class about face on Obama and how "He wasn't so bad, not like this schmuck we've got now."

This will probably happen regardless: http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/0p8epr/republicans-miss-bill-clinton

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Post by: ZephyrFate on July 11, 2015, 12:43:27 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 11, 2015, 12:24:57 AM

Quote from: ZephyrFate on July 10, 2015, 11:41:07 PM

Holy fuck do I want Bernie Sanders as President real bad.  :(

I can't figure out if the best thing about it would be Bernie's progressive policies possibly becoming reality, or the conservative pundit class about face on Obama and how "He wasn't so bad, not like this schmuck we've got now."

Everyone calling B-Rock a dangerous socialist now would have their friggin hearts explode once President Sanders sics the justice department and the IRS on the Wall Street class.

The conservative tears would become a flood. We couldn't possibly drink them all.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 04:57:40 AM

http://thefederalist.com/2015/07/08/bernie-sanders-is-the-future-of-the-democratic-party/

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Bernie Sanders Is The Future Of The Democratic Party
Maybe Bernie-mania! will finally lift the stigma of 'socialism' so we can have an honest debate.

“The rise of Bernie Sanders is proving awkward for the Democratic Party,” contends Politico in a recent piece about the surprisingly popular socialist presidential candidate.

Well, maybe it’s not that surprising. And it’s probably not that awkward. Politico could have just as easily declared: The rise of Bernie Sanders is a completely predictable outcome of the Democratic Party’s trajectory. Or, maybe, the rise of Bernie Sanders portends a socialistic future for the Democratic Party.

After all, while the press had fun detailing every rightward lurch of the conservative movement, not only has the “socialist surge” been a restive force within Democratic Party politics during the Obama Age, it’s been making tremendous policy progress.

Although we rarely frame politics in these terms, as a philosophical matter, we’ve often been engaged in a debate that pits the theories of eighteenth-century liberalism—the kind that brought us the constitution and limited government—against ideas first embraced in nineteenth-century Marxism. Is there any doubt the Left’s grassroots is driven by the latter, whether it’s intuitively or on purpose? Just think about the emotional core (often confused as an intellectual position), the rhetoric, and the focus that propels most ideas liberal toss around about inequality, plutocracy, “democracy” and role of government in our lives.

...

Sanders correctly points out that his positions on higher minimum wage, pay equity, and other state interference in markets enjoy high approval rating with most voters. “It is not a radical agenda,” he says. “In virtually every instance, what I’m saying is supported by a significant majority of the American people.”

This is almost true.

What is wholly true is that big majorities within the Democratic Party support these policies and they would probably go a lot further if they could. Hillary is lucky there isn’t a more compelling and charismatic candidate making a more comprehensive socialistic case to Americans as there was the last time around. The difference between her adopted position and his real one is scope.

That’s not to say Democrats are unadulterated socialists, sitting around and studying communist theorists in their spare time, any more than small-government conservatives are opposed to every state-run program. But today, many prefer policies that would be referred to as socialist anywhere else in the world. And the stigma attached to the word is slowly, and fittingly, disintegrating.

...

So the awkwardness surrounding Sanders’ candidacy—one that is supposed to make Hillary seem more reasonable—is that he is running with almost indistinguishable philosophical positions from the front-runner.

...

Now, of course, Sanders will not win the Democratic Party nomination. I’m skeptical he’s even as popular as polls claim. Still, he’s moved to the ideological center of the Democratic Party without changing at all. So will his ideas. Democrats will not pull back once they get their $10 minimum wage. They will not be content once universal pre-K is passed. They will not be satiated after the next round of unilateral Environmental Protection Agency intrusions into the energy markets are instituted. And liberals will not never concede that health care is now working so we won’t need any more government involvement.

Liberals may not believe in controlling the means of production, but many do believe in tightening controls enough through regulatory regimes and laws that they can dictate the outcome in markets they do care about. When the downturn hit us, Americans witnessed an unprecedented array of interventions, producing the weakest recovery in history. When oil prices spiked, and the populist rage against energy companies was reaching a crescendo, a Rasmussen poll found that a plurality of Democrats (37 percent) supported outright nationalization of the oil companies. When the health-care debate was at its most overwrought, a New York Times/CBS News poll found a majority supporting a government-run insurance company.

Today, almost every major liberal interst group supports some sort of enhanced collectivism. The notion that we have inherent rights—without even mentioning economic freedom—are laughed at by Left as if it were some sort of antiquated or alien concoction. Even positions that could be argued on grounds of individual freedom, like gay marriage, are now deteriorating into acts of coercion.

Over at Commentary, Noah Rothman points out the double standard in the media’s coverage of Todd Akin and Bernie Sanders. He’s right. The contradictory coverage is, no doubt, in part due to some in the media finding Sanders’ economic philosophy far more palatable than Akin’s offensive pseudoscientific mumbo jumbo. But it has to be said that Akin’s comments were much farther out of the mainstream on the Right than Sanders’ positions are on the Left. And the efforts to remedy the supposed moral imperfections of capitalism through force has led to more pain and suffering than anything Akin could ever say. Sanders might be treated as an outlier. But really, it’s more likely he’s the future.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 05:01:10 AM

Just one Mandark, please, just one, I promise:

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mustang6984  JEFFREY CROSBY • 2 hours ago
LOL!!! No...I don't live in anger mode. That is the 2nd time you have tried to lay that on me. I do hope you don't try to make a living out of profiling...because if you do...you are going to be fired soon!

They do polls because that is what news reporters do. Doesn't mean they have any value, or are even CLOSE to being correct. If you believe for one minute that they ARE correct...then you are terribly naive.

And if I am correct (and I am rarely incorrect) Billary being like Obama...will assure us that she is NEVER POTUS.
Actually...I have said it before (in '07-'08) and I am still saying it...Billary will NOT be the nominee of th4e Donkey Party. In fact, after January 20 , 2017...she will NEVER again see the inside of the White House unless she is on a tourist visit. She won't live long enough to see 2024. Her health isn't all that great.

She will NOT be the nominee. Her own party leadership does NOT want her around. They torpedoed her in '08...and they have already torpedoed her this year. Remember...it was her own party that released info on the mail server...and the "donations" to her "family charitable trust". That did not come from the other side...it ALL came form her side.
She has accomplished NOTHING as a senator...8 years of flapping her gums, but authored NO legislation of any meaning.
As SoS she was such an utter failure that we not have ISIS, Putin on a tear, and Syria embroiled in a nearly 4 year civil war. She was one of if not THE worst SoS in the history of the country!
And being First "Lady" is not a qualification to be POTUS. (and according to Marines and Secret Service...the term "Lady"...was not the description used for her with a straight face...as she is far from being one.

She has NEVER been responsible for a payroll, never written a budget and has NO concept of team work (ask her former staff from her last run at the White House, or her SoS staff.

She is unqualified.

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Post by: Barry Egan on July 11, 2015, 05:20:10 AM

yep, that sure was a post on the internet alright.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 06:55:45 AM

You're a post on the internet!

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Post by: Kara on July 11, 2015, 11:36:11 AM

Donkey Party sounds like a bachelor party, not a disparaging nickname.

And if being responsible for a payroll is a presidential qualification I can't wait for ADP to run against Paychex in a presidential election that demonstrates the absurd horizon of legal personhood.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 11, 2015, 12:44:45 PM

Dunno if I can carry Michigan for you in 2024 Glen, given the gentrification of Detroit+rightwing towns growing as young people flee.
:tocry

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Post by: team filler on July 11, 2015, 03:18:58 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 08, 2015, 11:14:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRVTv7ic8Ok

why does he do all these in the lobby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aK8vVk4_n2Q

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Post by: ZephyrFate on July 11, 2015, 03:44:49 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 11, 2015, 12:03:53 PM

Technically I was in charge of a payroll when I managed a store in 2007.

Glen Shinobi/Phoenix Dark 2024!

So in 2032, we'll have the nation's first sexually confused President?

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Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2015, 08:10:03 PM

You think Walrus can make it through a full term, especially two, without leaving a massive paper trail to some hit on a sports figure, etc.?

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Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2015, 02:00:47 AM

Today's Benji's Shitty Political Digest
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/11/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0PL0DA20150711 (http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/07/11/us-usa-election-idUSKCN0PL0DA20150711)

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Donald Trump, who became the center of attention in the race for the 2016 Republican U.S. presidential nomination with his denunciation of illegal immigrants from Mexico, has vaulted into a virtual dead heat with Jeb Bush atop the field, a Reuters-Ipsos poll released on Saturday showed.

Trump, a billionaire real estate developer, had the support of 15.8 percent of respondents in the online poll of self-identified Republicans compared to 16.1 percent for Bush, a former Florida governor.

They were followed by New Jersey Governor Chris Christie at 9.5 percent, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul at 8.1 percent, surgeon and author Ben Carson at 7.2 percent and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker at 5.8 percent.

However, given a choice of three candidates - Bush, Trump or Florida Senator Marco Rubio - Bush had a comfortable lead at 42 percent among the respondents in the Reuters-Ipsos Republican poll, compared to 28.4 percent for Trump and 20 percent for Rubio.

Anthony Weiner has a question for Bernie Sanders... (http://"http://www.businessinsider.com/anthony-weiners-question-for-bernie-sanders-2015-7?op=1")

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Sanders has been drawing crowds of thousands at his rallies and is quickly becoming the main primary rival of Democratic frontrunner Hillary Clinton. I totally get Bernie Mania. However, I’m deeply conflicted about it.

My wife works for Hillary so there’s that. But I’m also torn because I don’t really understand what he is doing.

I served with Bernie and he is my kind of politician — a progressive guy with some New York City attitude. It’s hard not to love Bernie Sanders. The Brooklyn accent perfected at Madison High School and Brooklyn College and the rumpled mad scientist look are perfect compliments to his colorful and unyielding presentations.

Still, I have one major question for Bernie. What exactly does he think he’s doing in a Democratic presidential primary? Why is he asking for the nomination of a party he always avoided joining?

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Independent Bernie Sanders seemed to like this question. He probably got it a lot. He would tell me that I shouldn’t confuse the fact that our voting records generally matched with party agreement. He was a proud socialist and thought the institutional Democratic Party was too cautious and lacking imagination. As much as I prodded, I would never get him to think about joining the Democrats for a moment.

In fact, Bernie always got me fired up to make the fighting wing of the Democratic Party feistier. So much so, that I loved it when my less clever right wing opponents would decry Obamacare as “socialism”. Bernie and I would remind these blockheads that giving people tax credits to buy a product from a giant corporation is hardly socialist.

There’s no question Bernie’s leftist agitating is filling a void in this primary process. The Democratic Party has a strong primal scream element right now. It expresses itself in frustration that the high expectations of change that came with President Obama have not been met. It howls at the failure of candidates who hew to the middle of the road and it feels the need to counter the batshit crazy it sees dominating the debate on the other side of the aisle.

Our party needs a kick in the butt. Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Massachusetts), Paul Krugman, and Jon Stewart are currently the standard bearers for that sentiment.

But Bernie Sanders? I just don’t know.

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After a career of steadfastly insisting that the Democratic party was not his home, now he wants to not only be a member of the party but its standard bearer? What changed?

Is Bernie’s newfound party affiliation just a practical decision to run in a party that can win rather than risk being a Nader-esque spoiler on a third party line in November? That’s a fair calculation, but doesn’t it wipe away Bernie’s three decades of standing as a principled Socialist?

Many times over the course of his career Bernie has repeated the line that his independence made him more able to speak truth. He argued forcefully that being a Socialist was his identity and not function of political expediency. Well, duh, nobody chooses to be a Socialist to smooth their political path. Yet, as 2016 approaches, here he is filing papers all over the country presumably declaring himself a member of the Democratic Party.

Bernie is right about a lot of things. He is right that a Medicare for All health care program is a simpler, cheaper and more American solution to our health care needs than a jury rigged system that is better under Obamacare but still has too many gaps. And his battle cry on behalf of working Americans is almost as good as Hillary Clinton’s.

In spite of all this, if Bernie wants to lead this party, he needs to explain what he's doing here in the first place.

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Post by: Kara on July 12, 2015, 04:22:50 AM

No Diablos, but Trump is giving me horrible deja vu of the Arnold running in the recall election variety.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2015, 12:48:59 PM

All Trump is doing is making sure the eventual GOP nominee does worse or as bad as Romney did with Hispanics (and thus loses the election).

I'm starting to wonder whether the GOP will ensure candidates have to release financial statements in order to enter the debates. Perhaps that could ensure he doesn't participate.

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Post by: Barry Egan on July 12, 2015, 01:10:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2015, 12:48:59 PM

I'm starting to wonder whether the GOP will ensure candidates have to release financial statements in order to enter the debates. Perhaps that could ensure he doesn't participate.

Fox News is already doing this. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2015/07/09/gop-candidates-must-turn-in-financial-disclosure-on-time-to-get-into-first-debate/)  Trump, however, has stated multiple times that he will file the information on time and is actively in contact with Fox in order to make sure he jumps through every necessary hoop.  Back to the drawing board.

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Post by: Barry Egan on July 13, 2015, 08:13:37 AM

Scott Walker's campaign made a thing.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJwBQi8VAAA2jK3.png)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2015, 08:36:48 AM

Grats on the campaign job Benji.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2015, 02:39:49 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-07-13/santorum-jumps-to-right-of-cruz-walker-on-same-sex-marriage-constitutional-amendment

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Republican presidential candidate Rick Santorum said Monday he wants a constitutional amendment that defines marriage as between a man and a woman in all 50 states, less than three weeks after the Supreme Court legalized same-sex marriage nationwide.

“I believe we need a national standard for marriage. I don't think we can have a standard from one state to another on what marriage is,” Santorum told reporters at a breakfast in Washington hosted by the Christian Science Monitor, adding that he wants “to define marriage the way it was defined for 4,000 years of human history.”

The remarks put Santorum to the right of rivals such as Texas Senator Ted Cruz and Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, who are pushing a different kind of constitutional amendment that would allow states to decide whether to allow or ban same-sex marriage, rather than an amendment that would set a national standard.

“I think that's a mistake,” Santorum said of their positions. “I argued that 10 years ago when others wanted to do that 10 years ago. You can't have a hodgepodge of marriage...it just creates too much confusion out there on a variety of different levels.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-mexican-drug-lord-escape-joaquin-el-chapo-guzman-120012.html

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Taking to Twitter on Sunday, Donald Trump used the escape of notorious drug lord Joaquin “El Chapo” Guzman this weekend to criticize Mexico, the Media and fellow candidates for president.

The mogul/reality TV host turned candidate for president, wrote: “Mexico’s biggest drug lord escapes from jail. Unbelievable corruption and USA is paying the price. I told you so!”

He continued his posts through the day: “Now that the Mexican drug lord escaped from prison, everyone is saying that most of the cocaine etc. coming into the U.S. comes over border!”

“…..but that’s what I’ve been saying. Very unfair treatment by the media!”

The escape of Guzman through a prison shower area has caused a massive manhunt in Mexico and provided Trump with another chance to criticize Hillary Clinton and Jeb Bush.

“Can you envision Jeb Bush or Hillary Clinton negotiating with ‘El Chapo’, the Mexican drug lord who escaped from prison? ….”

“…Trump, however, would kick his ass!” he tweeted.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2015, 03:13:06 PM

In a way, all of us have an El Chapo to face.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 13, 2015, 05:14:41 PM

Best bit of referential humor on the bore this year, Joe da god

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Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2015, 06:45:57 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/12/jim-webb-confronts-leftists-not-my-democratic-part/

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Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, who is waging a long-shot bid for president, acknowledged Sunday that he is out of step with his own Democratic Party but vowed that he will connect with working-class Americans.

“The party has moved way far to the left. And that’s not my Democratic Party,” Mr. Webb said on “Fox News Sunday.” “We need to bring working people back into the formula.”

He said that he would be a voice for poor and working-class Americans who had been forgotten by the Democratic and Republican parties.

He invited Fox News to cover a medial clinic for people without medial insurance next weekend at a fairgrounds in remote southwest Virginia.

“They’re going to take care of about 6,000, at least, if historical records hold, people with no medical care,” said Mr. Webb. “They’ll pull 3,000 teeth. And these are people forgotten by both parties. And I think they need a voice.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 13, 2015, 07:43:45 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeffrey-lord-ana-navarro-latino

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Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2015, 07:54:01 PM

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Navarro tried to explain the distinction, saying she was “an American who was born in Nicaragua and was naturalized under Ronald Reagan’s amnesty.”

So which is it lady? Are you a Latino or an American?!?

Lieberals get tripped up in the contradictions of their talking points so easily.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 13, 2015, 09:44:07 PM

Once you've been washed in the Blood of Reagan, there is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in The Gipper.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 12:41:23 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/3bwMxaI.gif)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2015, 01:24:16 AM

Is this leaked footage of the Republican Debates teaser trailer?

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Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 02:28:47 AM

Kara, http://sandersisnotasocialist.com/

Unfortunately I could not find anything from BA regarding Sanders' Presidential Run. I did however find this letter to the editor of Revolution:

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Bob Avakian has devoted much scientific study and analysis to understanding what sections of the people potentially can actually become “a backbone and driving force role” in the struggle for revolution—that is, basic youth and basic masses more broadly, particularly those concentrated in the inner cities—many of whom are not strictly speaking part of the proletarian class. This is not based on a superficial or mechanical analysis of the “most oppressed,” but is based on analyzing and synthesizing the changing dynamics of this society over decades.

In this connection, a crucial contradiction of the revolution which we need to be working on, which BA has identified, is the need to “be actively working on bridging this tremendous chasm between that scientifically established and grounded recognition of this real revolutionary potential, on the one hand, and, on the other hand, where the masses of these youth are at now and where they’re being pulled by the dynamics of the system.” It is beyond the scope of this letter to go more deeply into this, but this is both examined scientifically and approaches to working on this contradiction are spoken to in various articles.2
Further, very much related to this, at the same time that we are working on “bridging this chasm,” another major contradiction is that any revolution will quickly face the challenge that the forces of repression will seek to isolate, surround, and crush this most “solid base of support” for such a revolution.

BA has pointed out “that there will be a gap, a significant gap, between the most bedrock base for this revolutionary movement and other strata of the people, if that is allowed to be turned into a profound, unsurpassable gulf, and only that hard-core section of the population is moving in the direction of involvement in and active support for this struggle, then this struggle is on the way to defeat. This is something that has to be thought about and acted upon not only when the conditions do undergo a qualitative change, and there is an all-out struggle for power—but long before that, in terms of how political and ideological and organizational work is carried out.” (emphasis mine)3

Again all of this needs to be approached with a living scientific approach and method, but the essential challenge posed here is how to build a movement which would not allow the forces of repression to isolate, marginalize, surround, and possibly ultimately crush this bedrock force for revolution—and thus, likely the revolution itself (either before a revolutionary situation develops or once such a struggle for power has commenced).

In this context it is important to study what BA points towards as a crucial strategic approach to this problem: “Now, at the same time, we have to also look at this in the broader context of what we’ve described as the ‘two maximizings’ (revolutionary work among the basic masses, and revolutionary work among the middle strata, and the dialectical inter-relation of all this) as a key part of our overall approach to building the movement for revolution.”4

With this in mind, we need to take stock of and scientifically understand, and then further build on some recent significant transformations in the objective situation in relation to “the two maximizings.” Here I am speaking to the fact that people of various strata, and especially youth and students of different nationalities have, as part of taking to the streets in protest and outrage, been raising the banner of “Black Lives Matter” and “Latino Lives Matter.” This has had tremendous impact in relation to basic masses not feeling isolated and alone, and thinking that what happens to them and more importantly, what they do to resist, does not matter to others in the society; and for broader strata this represented an important development where people are now confronting the reality of what life is like for those at the “bottom of society” and coming to grips with the role of the police as enforcers of oppression and repression. Also very significant is that many from broader strata, including youth and students, have been taking a moral and political stand, willing to put a lot on the line. (We need a lot more of this. There is a great need for these types of stands and actions to grow and spread, both in terms of making a larger social impact on the society, but also in terms of the breadth of those taking such a stand. (Where were major artists, actors, and sports figures stepping out and making an honest stand in all of this? A tweet here and there will not change the world.))

I think some of the dynamic here was captured powerfully and poetically by a letter from “a former prisoner who is now an emancipator of humanity”:5

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As someone who has never stepped foot in a university classroom and only caught glimpses of what life is like outside ghettos and prisons, I can tell you that when you’re cast off and counted as nothing, you often see yourself as the least able to change anything. But when you rise up against the conditions that you didn’t choose but were born into, and you see people stand with you, who come from sections of society that you learned to assume could never give a fuck, then that defeatism begins to break down and the possibility of getting rid of all this shit begins to come to life.

This advance in the “two maximizings” really is something of a revolutionary new thing, an important beginning strategic advance in building a movement for revolution, something we need to consciously “jump on,” further developing and strengthening this dynamic, both in relation to the struggle to stop genocidal persecution, mass incarceration, police brutality, and murder of Black and Brown people, and as part preparing for and laying the basis for a material force in society which can meet and defeat the strategic approach taken by the forces of repression to defeat the revolution by isolating and then crushing the bedrock force and backbone of such a revolution.

All of this must be further understood in the context of what BA has referred to as the “multi-layered, multi-colored map” in referring to the complexities involved in bringing forward a revolutionary people—this is something which is beyond the scope of this letter, but which again needs to be understood and “worked on.”6

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 14, 2015, 03:38:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 13, 2015, 06:45:57 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/12/jim-webb-confronts-leftists-not-my-democratic-part/

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Former Virginia Sen. Jim Webb, who is waging a long-shot bid for president, acknowledged Sunday that he is out of step with his own Democratic Party but vowed that he will connect with working-class Americans.

“The party has moved way far to the left. And that’s not my Democratic Party,” Mr. Webb said on “Fox News Sunday.” “We need to bring working people back into the formula.”

He said that he would be a voice for poor and working-class Americans who had been forgotten by the Democratic and Republican parties.

He invited Fox News to cover a medial clinic for people without medial insurance next weekend at a fairgrounds in remote southwest Virginia.

“They’re going to take care of about 6,000, at least, if historical records hold, people with no medical care,” said Mr. Webb. “They’ll pull 3,000 teeth. And these are people forgotten by both parties. And I think they need a voice.

somehow I think those clinics  (http://thedissolve.com/reviews/1242-remote-area-medical/)do a lot less businesses in states that have fully embraced the ACA. But those guys might be too far to the left.

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Post by: Kara on July 14, 2015, 12:29:46 PM

I couldn't fall asleep last night but by the second paragraph of that letter I was out like a light. :aah

Then I read it the next morning. :shaq2 #meirl

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Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 01:35:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYD8MzHvig

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2015, 02:03:46 PM

If you're bitten by a Nuclear Iran, what would you turn into?

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Post by: Steve Contra on July 14, 2015, 02:18:59 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2015, 02:03:46 PM

If you're bitten by a Nuclear Iran, what would you turn into?

Garshasp The Monster Slayer

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2015, 02:32:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 01:35:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pYD8MzHvig

"It's perfect! And when liberals complain we can just say that a democrat used the ad first!"

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 14, 2015, 03:04:10 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/LemjI9i.jpg)

Poor people compared to wild animals. A good post!

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Post by: Kara on July 14, 2015, 03:29:42 PM

makes u think... :ohhh




about revsoc :cody

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2015, 03:50:18 PM

At a local athetist muslim college, adjuct professor Marine Todd was teaching a class on Democracy  101, but students all agreed that Obama's Socialism was awesome and better than Democracy because it let them get all the free abortions they wanted. Marine Todd told them that if they thought Socialism was so good, then they wouldn't mind if he graded their papers based on Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals. The students and the ACLU agreed. When the results of their first test came back, they all got F's because they were fucking distinguished mentally-challenged and Socialism is gayer than John Maynard Keynes. Thus ends today's lesson in irony.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2015, 03:51:52 PM

Then BA burst into the room and sprayed synthesis all over everybody's faces.

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Post by: studyguy on July 14, 2015, 05:52:11 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/mexico/11736854/El-Chapo-Guzman-vows-to-make-Donald-Trump-swallow-his-words.html

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Joaquin "El Chapo" (Shorty) Guzman, the fugitive Mexican drug lord, appeared on Monday night to be taunting authorities and threatening US presidential hopeful Donald Trump while on the run.

Guzman and his supporters wasted no time lambasting Mexican president Enrique Pena Nieto as a "coward" but reserved particular ire for Mr Trump, who has accused Mexico of sending rapists and criminals to America.

A post riddled with obscenities on a Twitter account, reportedly run by the drug lord's son Ivan, said the billionaire businessman would be made to "swallow his words".

Circus show never ends.

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Post by: Steve Contra on July 14, 2015, 06:23:12 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/donald-trump-campaign-ad-nazi-soldiers (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/donald-trump-campaign-ad-nazi-soldiers)

(http://i.minus.com/iFcK3jEoRVKHR.gif)

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Post by: helios on July 14, 2015, 06:34:43 PM

https://twitter.com/RepTomMarino/status/621021305333268480

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Rep. Tom MarinoVerified account
‏@RepTomMarino
@MEPFuller but the #IranDeal is like giving up Charizard, Blastoise and Machamp for Chansey.

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Post by: brawndolicious on July 14, 2015, 06:41:36 PM

I think Republicans are just really tired of not doing anything (on their agenda) for 8 years. That's the only reason I can see why Trump is in the lead of the polls, say what you want about his beliefs and competency, he sure will do something ostentatious if he gets elected.

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Post by: studyguy on July 14, 2015, 06:50:38 PM

I can't imagine the world where Trump makes it past the primaries, fuck I'm going to be ecstatic if he makes it to the debates.

But I mean in the grand scheme of things, Trump isn't the craziest dude to ever run for presidency even this year.  (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Boss)

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/09/Jeff_Boss_Campaign_Posters.jpeg)

 :huh

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Post by: Steve Contra on July 14, 2015, 08:13:31 PM

Can we link bossforcongress.com on the newsfeed please?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2015, 08:20:20 PM

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The NSA is now giving everyone I campaign to $20,000 and threatening to kill them if they vote  for me

Yo, I may be thinking about voting for Jeff Boss, brehs. Just putting that out there. :leon

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2015, 08:36:16 PM

I made $20,001.37 online by voting for bossforcongress and defending Mother Russia from e-critics.

:rejoice

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 10:51:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUPYOueKt4

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Post by: brob on July 15, 2015, 11:10:31 AM

there are children in that car :(

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 11:11:22 AM

Children, especially, need to be awared of the existence of government ninjas that take away your guns.

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Post by: Brehvolution on July 15, 2015, 11:15:37 AM

If it was so sinister, why would Jesus let it happen? :smug

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Post by: Kara on July 15, 2015, 11:19:13 AM

Can I send care packages to the troops poised to do battle with hardened foes like the chap in that video? It's important that the troops know we support them.

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Post by: helios on July 15, 2015, 11:20:14 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 10:51:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUPYOueKt4

Young Joc warned us

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8AYiQXoWHo

"Meet at the [Sam's] club, it's going down

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Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 12:04:26 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 14, 2015, 08:13:31 PM

Can we link bossforcongress.com on the newsfeed please?

why not http://www.jeffbossforpresident.org/

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Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 12:06:05 PM

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THINGS I WILL DO FOR YOU AS YOUR  PRESIDENT AND  ASSEMBLYMAN.
$15.00  minimum wage. Legalize Marijuana and Tax the sale. Free Internet College for all under and graduate degrees. It is time that anyone who wants to be a lawyer, nurse, doctor, or any degree is free on the internet for all, including books. No killing at the animal shelters. 100,000+ of new modular apartments where the rent is no more than $200 for a 1 bedroom in NJ. No more car insurance a $400 flat rate insured by the State. I would stop all flights from West Africa and quarantine anyone who arrives from West Africa for 21 days. No federal tax for federal workers. No state tax for city & state workers. World’s largest Casino in the Meadowlands owned by the Atlantic City casinos, legalize sports betting at your lottery machines and use the revenue to open 100 charter schools with union teachers in NJ. We will make the schools in NJ the best in the world. Dogs allowed in restaurants and clubs like they are in France. Equal rights for  everyone. Funding for Autism. No cell phone towers within 1000 feet of any homes or office. I want anyone who wants to own a gun to be able to, as long as it is legally done. I have a lot of other great ideas to make this state and the country best it can be.

Since the NSA is trying to kill me every day for whistle blowing on the NSA. I have been involved with the NSA for more than 25 years. My home at 46 Webster Street 2nd floor, Ridgefield Park, NJ is bugged and poisoned, and so is my car NJ license plate # K23 DSB a blue Honda Fit. I have a letter from a security company saying RF waves are off the charts coming out of my car. My Honda has 4 big cables running off the battery, that isn’t in any other Honda. I have numerous Honda employees on camera saying they have never seen these cables in any other Honda. My plumbing in my house has had plumbing redone by the NSA to poison the water in the house.  I have a NSA agent named Martin Rodriguez living downstairs who preset up the house for the NSA to kill me. My neighbors at 39,40,41,44,48,49,51 Webster are all NSA Agents.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 12:10:03 PM

I think Boss could be a wise pick for VP in 2028. That would set him up for a run in 2036 as Warrior of the Wasteland, Ayatollah of Rock and Rolla. Though I'd like to know his "just walk away" policy.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 02:04:44 PM

This is how the people living in my immediate area have chosen to welcome a sitting US President:

(http://i.imgur.com/N5WyRUk.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/VjnYxZq.jpg)

:goty

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Post by: Brehvolution on July 15, 2015, 03:15:16 PM

Rumbler, I liked that post just to unlike it for those pics. On another note, why would Obama go there right now? :kobeyuck

:obama is fearless.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 06:24:16 PM

Trump files:

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Today, Donald J. Trump filed his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) forms with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).

This report was not designed for a man of Mr. Trump's massive wealth. For instance, they have boxes once a certain number is reached that simply state $50 million or more. Many of these boxes have been checked. As an example, if a building owned by Mr. Trump is worth $1.5 billion, the box checked is “$50,000,000 or more.”

Mr. Trump stated, “First people said I would never run, and I did. Then, they said, I would never file my statement of candidacy with the FEC, and I did. Next, they said I would never file my personal financial disclosure forms. I filed them early despite the fact that I am allowed two 45 days extensions. Now I have surged in the polls and am fighting to Make America Great Again. I look forward to the challenge of winning the presidency and doing a fantastic job for our country. I will make the United States rich and strong and respected again, but also a country with a 'big heart' toward the care of our people.”

Mr. Trump's net worth has increased since the more than one year old financial statement produced at his presidential announcement. Real estate values in New York City, San Francisco, Miami and many other places where he owns property have gone up considerably during this period of time. His debt is a very small percentage of value, and at very low interest rates. As of this date, Mr. Trump's net worth is in excess of TEN BILLION DOLLARS.

Mr. Trump's income for the year 2014, as reported in the PFD statement, is $362 million dollars (which does not include dividends, interest, capital gains, rents and royalties).

In addition, he was successful in choosing multiple stocks which were sold in January 2014. Even though stock market purchases are not something that Mr. Trump has focused on in the past, and while only a small part of his net worth, 40 of the 45 stocks purchased went up in a relatively short period of time, creating a gain of $27,021,471, not including those stocks still remaining in the portfolio which currently have an unrealized gain of over $22 million (schedule attached).

Mr. Trump showed almost 500 business entities of which 91% are owned 100% by him. Mr. Trump wrote Trump: The Art of the Deal, one of the bestselling business books of all time, and numerous other bestsellers over the years.

NBC/Universal renewed, at the upfronts this year, The Apprentice (for a 15th season), but Mr. Trump decided to turn them down in order to run for President of the United States. NBC was not happy. During the 14 seasons of The Apprentice, Mr. Trump was paid $213,606,575.

caps are in his statement

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Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 09:21:02 PM

SUCH DISRESPECT BY BERNIE TO OUR NEXT PRESIDENT:
http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/247920-sanders-rains-on-hillarys-parade (http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/247920-sanders-rains-on-hillarys-parade)

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The Vermont independent, who’s challenging Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary next year, hijacked a set of microphones — usually reserved for Senate leaders — after leaving a private meeting between the former secretary of State and Senate Democrats in the Capitol Tuesday afternoon.

He then used the impromptu press conference to question Clinton’s populist bona fides on a range of issues, including trade policy, the Iraq War, regulating big banks and tackling climate change.

“Secretary Clinton and I disagree on a number of issues,” he said to a mob of reporters.

On trade, Sanders said three decades of deals — including the North American Free Trade Agreement signed by former President Clinton — “have been disastrous for American workers.”

“Secretary Clinton, I believe, has a different view on that issue,” he said.

On climate change, Sanders noted his staunch opposition to the Keystone XL oil pipeline, which will transport “some of the dirtiest fuel on this planet.”

“I think Secretary Clinton has not been clear on her views on that issue,” he said.

And on the economy, Sanders is pushing a policy package featuring a $15 minimum wage and $1 trillion in infrastructure spending.

"I think the secretary has not been quite so clear on those issues,” he charged.

Elsewhere in the Capitol, Clinton’s reception was much friendlier. The former New York senator met with the full House Democratic Caucus, which received her with wild cheers and shrieking whistles, and held separate audiences with the Black, Hispanic, Asian Pacific American and Progressive caucuses, all of which embraced her visit with open arms.

Indeed, whatever liberal angst there is over Clinton outside the Beltway, it was nowhere to be seen in the House on Tuesday.

“I think some of the progressive issues and members have been kind of crying in the wilderness for awhile, and now those issues like climate change, like income inequality, jobs agenda, they’re resonating with the public. And I think that Hillary understands that,” said Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.), a co-chairman of the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Calif.), another CPC member, emphasized that it’s “too soon to actually rate a person.”

“But,” she added, “I think she’s doing a phenomenal job in terms of putting the issues out in a way where people understand ... the fact that there are millions of people who are fighting and working to get into the middle class who are living in poverty, and they deserve a policy agenda that’s going to lift them up.

“That’s a big issue, and she’s talked about that in a very bold way.”

...

“We talked about the need for Asian Americans to be included in presidential appointments,” Rep. Judy Chu (D-Calif.), the chairwoman of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus, said after the meeting with Clinton. “Right now, there are no APIs [Asian Pacific Islanders] in the Cabinet. There is no API that is a Supreme Court justice. We talked about the pipeline that leads to those kinds of positions and the need for inclusion there as well.”

...

The Democrats did not appear to press Clinton on some of the topics mentioned by Sanders in his public comments. Neither trade nor Keystone were mentioned in the Progressive Caucus meeting, according to Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.). And although Clinton told the lawmakers she’s committed to hiking the minimum wage, they didn’t push her on the $15 rate they’re championing.

“We didn’t get into specifics about a number,” said Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.).

Clinton’s policy tour was about building relationships as well. President Obama’s outreach to Congress has long been a bone of contention for many Democrats who think he hasn’t done nearly enough to communicate with his allies on Capitol Hill.

Rep. Gerry Connolly (D-Va.), a Clinton supporter, said a part of her barnstorming effort was to send an early message that she would manage the White House differently.

“Coming so early in the campaign cycle to the House Democratic Caucus is a very smart move on her part and absolutely says, ‘I want to build partnerships,’ ” Connolly said. “And she said that: ‘I want to partner with you. That’s why I’m here, and if I haven’t earned your support, I hope to do so and will make every effort to do so. But we’re going to work together.’ ”

Rep. Keith Ellison (D-Minn.), who heads the Progressive Caucus with Grijalva, echoed that message.

“Even people who are your friends want to feel the friendship every now and again,” he said. “And so to show up and take questions and just sort of spend some time is indicating that, ‘I value you, I think you’re important, I care about what you say.’ ”

Rep. Juan Vargas (D-Calif.) was not so circumspect.

“I’m ready for Hillary, baby!” he said.

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Post by: chronovore on July 15, 2015, 10:24:43 PM

'Absolutely nothing' but usual quiet in Texas hub on first day of Jade Helm 15 (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/15/jade-helm-15-bastrop-texas)

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 10:51:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUPYOueKt4

MAXWELL SMART: (as an aside) AH, THE OLD TRAILER CONTAINER FULL OF NINJAS TRICK.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2015, 11:08:47 PM

Black tarps on a fence.  Black tarps on a fence.  With dumpsters.  There is even some cardboard boxes.  My god. 

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Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2015, 11:15:14 PM

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The 64-year-old said that business had not picked up because of the operation. Evidently few of his customers were taking the opportunity to stockpile weapons and ammunitions to defend themselves in the event of a takeover.

The fools. They'll regret this later.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 15, 2015, 11:51:26 PM

Naw, they've just had nearly 8 years of "Obama's gonna take our guns" to stockpile and thus don't need to do it all over again for the next scare. They're ready, they'll be sorry they messed with Texas!! :gun

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Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2015, 01:55:52 AM

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/2015/07/15/iran-nuclear-deal-not-about-nukes/

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If you think the United States just struck a poor nuclear deal with Iran, you’re right; but if that’s your key takeaway, you’re missing the point. Iran’s nuclear program was last on the list of the Obama administration’s priorities in talking to Tehran. The administration readily caved on Iran’s nukes because it viewed the matter only as a timely pretense for achieving other cherished aims. These were: (1) preventing an Israeli attack on Iran; (2) transforming the United States into a more forgiving, less imposing power; (3) establishing diplomacy as a great American good in itself; (4) making Iran into a great regional power; and (5), ensuring the legacies of the president and secretary of state as men of vision and peace.

The administration has always viewed Israel as an intractable troublemaker and the main catalyst for the region’s woes. An Israeli strike on Iran, especially if supported by the United States, would have been yet another display of destabilizing Israeli aggression that put Middle East peace further out of reach. Barack Obama, therefore, repeatedly warned Israel against attacking Iran. Benjamin Netanyahu complied, and for his compliance White House officials taunted him in 2014 as a “chickenshit” whose window of opportunity had closed. That window is now barred. The Iran deal states that the U.S. will train Iranians to counter any sabotage attempts on its nuclear facilities and systems. This is aimed at frustrating Israeli action.

Obama came to office promising to limit American action as well. In his standard progressive view, the United States has been too eager to throw its weight around and impose its norms on other countries without giving sufficient thought to the resentment it might sow. He ended the war in Iraq and sought to remake the United States as a humble power. “Too often the United States starts by dictating,” he told a Saudi news outlet soon after being elected. He, by contrast, would do a lot of “listening.” The Iran negotiations became Obama’s magnum opus on the theme of listening. Americans listened to Iranians dictate terms, shoot down offers, insult the United States, and threaten allies. America has been humbled indeed.

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From the administration’s standpoint, the deal was a grand slam. If it left Iran as an official nuclear power on the perpetual verge of a breakout, well, that was always the bargaining chip to get everything else. And with the United States having shown extraordinary cooperation and forgiveness, the thinking goes, even a nuclear Iran will become a less bellicose and more collegial member of the community of nations. What good the deal has already done, the administration believes, will continue to pay dividends. As is his wont, Obama is now declaring as much. But by the time his vision is upended by facts, he’ll be out of office, and we won’t have the luxury of fighting reality with abstractions.

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Post by: benjipwns on July 16, 2015, 02:31:42 AM

Conservative argument seems to be that either Obama wanted this because it hurts the United States or Obama is naive and got hoodwinked. Sometimes a mixture of both.

I was hoping for something new instead of a retread of old arguments.

Though one article did remind me of this from John Kerry:

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Secretary of State John Kerry told House Democrats that the United States faced a “Munich moment” in deciding whether to respond to the alleged use of chemical weapons by the Syrian government.

In a 70-minute conference call on Monday afternoon, Kerry derided Syrian President Bashar Assad as a “two-bit dictator” who will “continue to act with impunity,” and he urged lawmakers to back President Barack Obama’s plan for “limited, narrow” strikes against the Assad regime, Democratic sources on the call said.

Kerry also said that Israel, America’s closest ally in the region, backed the need for a U.S. military response.

Also I found out this which I had missed before and was funny to me:

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Minnesota Rep. Rick Nolan challenged the evidence that Obama administration officials have presented on the reported use of chemical weapons by Assad’s force against Syrian civilians. U.S. intelligence officials and Syrian rebel groups claim that more than 1,000 Syrian died in that attack, including hundreds of children.

Nolan and Kerry got into a “heated exchange,” according to multiple sources on the call. Nolan compared Syria to Vietnam, which angered Kerry, who was wounded during that conflict.

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Post by: bluemax on July 16, 2015, 04:21:40 AM

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2015/07/15/reality-check-trip-to-pluto-costs-less-than-vikings-stadium/

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 15, 2015, 10:51:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmUPYOueKt4

I lost it at the ninjas comment.

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Post by: Brehvolution on July 16, 2015, 10:35:22 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-oklahoma-confederate-flag-protesters

That top comment.  :gladbron

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 16, 2015, 12:06:21 PM

I like how the constantly improving economy hasn't halted any of the doomsday bullshit from republicans.

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Post by: Kara on July 16, 2015, 01:43:35 PM

At the cadre meeting this month they told us that the plan is on indefinite hold. Currently we're rescheduled to seize control during Operation Lapis Lazuli Boeotian.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 02:37:48 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 16, 2015, 11:25:34 AM

Right, Obama wants to destroy the country... if that's the argument I know I can stop listening to that person and start thinking about my grocery list or something.

Can't believe we've been hearing that argument for nearly 8 years, since even before Obama was elected.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 16, 2015, 02:40:39 PM

see those guys were right all along. Obama is a weak, ineffective pres because he still hasn't acted on his agenda on destroying America. As of now its looking increasingly unlikely that he'll ever get around to it. What a disappointment he must be to the rest of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 02:52:07 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-perry-donald-trump-nonsense

Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry dismissed fellow Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on Thursday as "a toxic mix of demagoguery and nonsense."

"I have a message for my fellow Republicans and the independents who will be voting in the primary process: what Mr. Trump is offering is not conservatism, it is Trump-ism – a toxic mix of demagoguery and nonsense," Perry said in a statement released Thursday afternoon.

Perry said the former reality star's month-old campaign shows "his fundamental misunderstanding of border security."

"Rather than thanking Texas for stepping into a gap it shouldn’t have to fill, Mr. Trump has made clear that he believes the states should fend for themselves on border security," said Perry. "Not only is this wrong, it perpetuates the same failed policies that have left our southern border porous and vulnerable."

Perry’s statement came a day after Trump told Fox News host Sean Hannity that the former Texas governor “failed at the border.”

“When he was governor of Texas he could have done a lot better in terms of securing the border,” Trump said. “The job he did in terms of border security was absolutely terrible.”

In light of Trump's anti-Latino rhetoric and harsh criticism of border security policies, Perry warned fellow conservatives of the real estate mogul.

"We need a president who will finally act to secure the border after decades of failed leadership in Washington, D.C. and Mr. Trump has done nothing to prove that he is the President America needs.”

The thought that the 2016 GOP primary might actually be even crazier than the 2012 GOP primary is filling me with a giddy glee. :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2015, 01:38:53 AM

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1402750

Benji can you feel it. The momentum, the crowds, the honesty, the Bob Evans lunch specials. Sanders Revolution.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2015, 02:31:09 AM

Quote

In the last couple of weeks Bernie has received endorsements from 2 of the most influential black youth leaders in the US. Hip Hop is the cultural language used to spread the political message among black youth and Killer Mike and Lil B have both endorsed Bernie and are spreading out their message through their music and social networks.

How white do you think this VL Baker fellow is?

http://koth.ytmnd.com/

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2015, 11:21:21 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2015, 01:38:53 AM

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/1402750

Benji can you feel it. The momentum, the crowds, the honesty, the Bob Evans lunch specials. Sanders Revolution.

He just needs an awesome theme song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2015, 11:48:50 AM

@mandark
@triumph

Quote

I think you distort American history. This country, like each person in it, is a mixture of glory and shame. There’s a Lincoln for every Jefferson Davis and a Harlem Children’s Zone for every K.K.K. — and usually vastly more than one. Violence is embedded in America, but it is not close to the totality of America.

In your anger at the tone of innocence some people adopt to describe the American dream, you reject the dream itself as flimflam. But a dream sullied is not a lie. The American dream of equal opportunity, social mobility and ever more perfect democracy cherishes the future more than the past. It abandons old wrongs and transcends old sins for the sake of a better tomorrow.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/opinion/listening-to-ta-nehisi-coates-while-white.html?referrer=&_r=0
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/17/david_brooks_scolds_ta_nehisi_coates_i_think_you_distort_history/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwOq8zB-ido

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2015, 01:36:53 PM

 :cac

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2015, 02:37:19 PM

David Brooks is gonna need you to read

 :dolezal

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Mandark on July 17, 2015, 02:44:14 PM

I found out about this from multiple people on my Twitter feed, which is funny cause it's all sportswriters.

Just a reminder, David Brooks taught a course at Yale on the subject of humility.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2015, 03:07:30 PM

I can understand being off put by Coates' approach. Hell my mom was in love with the idea of Coates as a new (to her) black voice and enjoyed many of his articles, but when she read his book she came away quite turned off by the overwhelming despair and lack of any religious (or hopeful) undercurrent. I get that.

However there's a difference between responding to Coates' arguments with "well things are getting better in many ways, and progress continues" and Brooks' "but what about the American Dream? Don't you believe in America? Why do you hate America." This is made worse yet by the start of the article where he basically says "ok, I see how ugly America can be for and to blacks" only to turn around and ask why a black man can be so upset/negative. It makes the intro to the article seem insincere in hindsight.

I'd imagine Brooks is praying for Obama to hug him and tell him everything is going to be alright.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 17, 2015, 03:12:41 PM

TBH I think nation-states will be mostly reduced to at best a ceremonial existence within a generation or two.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 17, 2015, 03:15:14 PM

I think we should put Brooks and Skip Bayless in a thunderdome and root for them to kill each other. NO MAN LEAVES, ALL OTHER MEN ARE WINNERS.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2015, 04:36:00 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 17, 2015, 03:12:41 PM

TBH I think nation-states will be mostly reduced to at best a ceremonial existence within a generation or two.

Then we can all be corporate citizens. (I call Yum! Brands, Inc.)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 17, 2015, 05:00:55 PM

Living in a cyberpunk dystopia. :aah

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 17, 2015, 05:49:39 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/07/17/inside_editions_zoe_tur_threatens_to_send_breitbarts_ben_shapiro_home_in_an_ambulance_over_jenner_debate.html

:lawd

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2015, 12:06:30 AM

http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/31e79091352444178dcdc66b8d081502/chattanooga-shooting

 :fbm

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 18, 2015, 01:51:41 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2015, 02:37:19 PM

David Brooks is gonna need you to read

 :dolezal

Hold on, I'll be white black.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: nudemacusers on July 18, 2015, 12:22:34 PM

https://twitter.com/karentravers/status/622436837232103426

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Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2015, 02:39:29 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on July 18, 2015, 12:22:34 PM

https://twitter.com/karentravers/status/622436837232103426

popcorn.gif

Like the people who got multiple student/medical deferments because their dads were rich af? None of them got captured.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: brawndolicious on July 18, 2015, 03:22:48 PM

That's so fucked up. And he immediately made a statement afterwards trying to change his meaning. It's actually a little funny that he's not too stupid to know he said the wrong thing but he won't admit any wrong.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: kingkitty on July 18, 2015, 03:51:54 PM

trump's no chill strikes again. hopefully he has enough ground left to slip into the fox debate.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2015, 03:55:36 PM

Quote from: kingkitty on July 18, 2015, 03:51:54 PM

trump's no chill strikes again. hopefully he has enough ground left to slip into the fox debate.

It probably won't even hurt his standing in the polls, that's the sad thing. Remember the whole swift boat mess from 2004? The far-right is fine trashing soldiers and their service as long as they disagree with that person's positions, and McCain's been on thin ice for a while on certain issues.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2015, 04:08:16 PM

I've seen some pretty ugly anti-McCain shit on the right for years. The same people fueling Trump's rise probably don't give a fuck about that comment.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 18, 2015, 11:47:45 PM

The party of ARE TROOPS slamming McCain never gets old.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 18, 2015, 11:56:21 PM

I think you mean HOUR TROOPS, Zeph

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 19, 2015, 11:58:47 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2015, 03:55:36 PM

Quote from: kingkitty on July 18, 2015, 03:51:54 PM

trump's no chill strikes again. hopefully he has enough ground left to slip into the fox debate.

It probably won't even hurt his standing in the polls, that's the sad thing. Remember the whole swift boat mess from 2004? The far-right is fine trashing soldiers and their service as long as they disagree with that person's positions, and McCain's been on thin ice for a while on certain issues.

and the mocking of Kerry's purple heart at the RNC convention

(http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/169_bandaid.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 19, 2015, 12:05:11 PM

My hometown is an arch-conservative shithole and for years the city has run a support our troops campaign but our is always marked by quotation marks. I think they wanted to highlight the our part in a manner that was possible on electronic billboards and print media but the quotation marks just come off as sneer quotes which amuses me greatly.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barraco Barner on July 19, 2015, 12:20:52 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-owe-mccain-apology/story?id=32547286

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Asked if he would continue his pattern of "name-calling, using terms like 'dummy,' 'loser,' 'total losers' on Twitter and elsewhere" when he's "criticized or attacked" if he was elected president, Trump told Raddatz he only gives it back to people who attack him.

"When people attack me, I let them have it back," he said. "People are constantly attacking my hair. I don’t see you coming to my defense."

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2015, 12:39:08 PM

https://twitter.com/trumpshair

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2015, 01:20:44 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/17/politics/obama-reagan-compare/index.html

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Reagan meets that standard; Obama doesn't -- that was the verdict from 12 historians and political bloggers.

(http://i.imgur.com/MMYivVA.png)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Trent Dole on July 19, 2015, 06:14:47 PM

Yeah, he's not an overrated shit. :teehee

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Just a regular one. :gloomy

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Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 12:50:13 AM

I like Trump's constantly publishing open letters thing:

Quote from: Donald Trump

John McCain has called his own constituents who want a secure border “crazies.”  No one in the news media or the establishment, including the Republican National Committee, criticized the senator for those comments.

Now, as respected reporter Sharyl Attkisson has proved point by point, the news media are also distorting my words. But that is not my point. McCain the politician has failed the state of Arizona and the country.

During my entire business career, I have always made supporting veterans a top priority because our heroes deserve the very best for defending our freedom. Our Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals are outdated dumps. I will build the finest and most modern veterans hospitals in the world. The current medical assistance to our veterans is a disaster. A Trump administration will provide the finest universal access health care for our veterans. They will be able to get the best care anytime and anywhere.

Thanks to McCain and his Senate colleague Bernie Sanders, their legislation to cover up the VA scandal, in which 1,000+ veterans died waiting for medical care, made sure no one has been punished, charged, jailed, fined or held responsible. McCain has abandoned our veterans. I will fight for them.

The reality is that John McCain the politician has made America less safe, sent our brave soldiers into wrong-headed foreign adventures, covered up for President Obama with the VA scandal and has spent most of his time in the Senate pushing amnesty. He would rather protect the Iraqi border than Arizona’s. He even voted for the Iran Nuclear Review Act of 2015, which allows Obama, who McCain lost to in a record defeat, to push his dangerous Iran nuclear agreement through the Senate without a supermajority of votes.

A number of my competitors for the Republican nomination have no business running for president. I do not need to be lectured by any of them. Many are failed politicians or people who would be unable to succeed in the private sector. Some, however, I have great respect for.

My record of veteran support is well-documented. I served as co-chairman of the New York Vietnam Veterans Memorial Commission and was responsible, with a small group, for getting it built. Toward this end, I contributed over $1 million so our warriors can be honored in New York City with a proper memorial. I also helped finance and served as the grand marshal of the 1995 Nation’s Day Parade, which honored over 25,000 veterans.  It was one of the biggest parades in the history of New York City, and I was very proud to have made it possible.

I will continue to fight to secure our border and take care of our veterans because these steps are vital to make America great again!

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 20, 2015, 02:48:36 AM

Trump wants to dump money into the VA?

Holy shit! Awesome! The Pubs have been blocking serious VA reform for years (Government Healthcare = BAD), and slow-walking whatever modest improvements that are made. That Trump gets to point out (while blaming Obama, but still) that congressional obstructionism is the specific reason that the VA sucks these days is actually kinda laudable. If he can make this an issue that the other candidates have to answer to (why don't we sufficiently fund the VA) then The Donald might actually accomplish some good, however accidentally.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 20, 2015, 11:12:21 AM

I just spent a week with my father in law, who watches Fox News religiously (he's right in their demographic sweet spot: 75 yr old white male). So, in passing I would see Trump on there blathering about all sorts of things.

He was on there talking about how poor our infrastructure was/is and how quickly we are getting passed up by other countries. He then went on how he "would fix" that if he became President. It's self-serving, of course, because he has so many ties to the construction business world. But, not once do he mention how we would pay for it nor did the (numerous) Fox talking heads even follow up with a question.

 

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 20, 2015, 11:41:35 AM

Yeah, he's actually making some halfway decent points, stuff that no other Republican would mention (because it doesn't serve the party orthodoxy). He's not offering any solutions, but he is doing an excellent job in pointing out the holes in the GOP's platform (that being, they don't actually want to help people).

I think this is actually the reason for his ascent (well that, and the awfulness) in the polls. Its not that people like him, its that he's so radically different from any other republican. If his message wasn't wrapped up in a big pile of toxic pomposity and xenophobia he could actually have something here.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2015, 01:20:37 PM

Racist, hillbilly Texans [redundant] are shook over the prospect of Muslim cemetery coming to their town:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/farmersville-muslim-cemetery-texas

Muslims say they're looking for a place to bury their dead. Locals say it's a plot to gain a foothold in their small rural Texas town.

A proposal to bring a Muslim cemetery to Farmersville has stoked fears among residents who are vehemently trying to convince community leaders to block the project. The sentiment reflects an anti-Muslim distrust that has been brewing over the last year in parts of Texas, most notably 25 miles away in Garland — the scene of a deadly May shooting outside a cartoon contest lampooning the Prophet Muhammad.

"The concern for us is the radical element of Islam," David J. Meeks, pastor of Bethlehem Baptist Church, told The Dallas Morning News. He said he thinks the cemetery would be the first step toward a broader Muslim expansion in town.

"How can we stop a mosque or madrassa training center from going in there?" he asked, referring to a type of Islamic school.

The issue is flaring up as Farmersville leaders consider a 35-acre development request from the Islamic Association of Collin County, which faces a shortage of space to bury members of its faith. Although the area already has a Buddhist center and Mormon church, residents showed up in force at a recent town meeting to oppose allowing a Muslim cemetery, which would include an open-air pavilion and small retail component that would run along a busy highway through town.

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"When somebody dies, they bury them at that time," Farmersville resident Troy Gosnell told KTVT-TV. "You don't know whether they were shot, diseased or anything else. All they do is wrap them in a sheet, throw them in the grave and bury them."

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2015, 01:40:08 PM

Steve King's Muslim Sematary

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Brehvolution on July 20, 2015, 01:49:59 PM

Freedom of some religions.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Sausage on July 20, 2015, 02:05:43 PM

There are Muslims in Farmersville?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 20, 2015, 02:17:07 PM

Only dead ones

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2015, 02:18:20 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 20, 2015, 02:17:07 PM

Only dead ones

:whoo

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: chronovore on July 20, 2015, 05:58:35 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 20, 2015, 11:12:21 AM

I just spent a week with my father in law, who watches Fox News religiously (he's right in their demographic sweet spot: 75 yr old white male). So, in passing I would see Trump on there blathering about all sorts of things.

He was on there talking about how poor our infrastructure was/is and how quickly we are getting passed up by other countries. He then went on how he "would fix" that if he became President. It's self-serving, of course, because he has so many ties to the construction business world. But, not once do he mention how we would pay for it nor did the (numerous) Fox talking heads even follow up with a question.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 06:31:49 PM

Quote

ABC News/Wash Post
Clinton 63, Sanders 14, Biden 12, Webb 2, O'Malley 1, Chafee 0
Clinton +49

Quote

With Biden out (he hasn’t announced a candidacy), most of his support goes to Clinton, boosting her to 68 percent.

(http://31.media.tumblr.com/e8dd8e7af78661384315164720dbafdd/tumblr_nnjkkmwwLd1sq3ndmo1_400.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 20, 2015, 06:34:48 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/4hRqQMC.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 20, 2015, 06:37:34 PM

I'd vote for Bernie

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2015, 06:41:20 PM

Me too

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2015, 06:43:21 PM

I probably wouldn't, but it doesn't matter because of the Electoral College. :american

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 06:47:35 PM

voting  :hitler

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2015, 06:56:37 PM

voting  :rejoice

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2015, 06:59:51 PM

I'll never be a Taggart but California's electoral system still let me vote on whether or not to build a train system. :bow2

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 07:03:01 PM

Well, vote on whether or not to spend billions deciding whether or not to decide if they should build a train in the middle of nowhere or to a crappy spot to drop someone off with no further transportation in LA. Oh, and we already spent it anyway, we need more.

California's Dream Train  :aah

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2015, 07:06:47 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 07:03:01 PM

spend billions deciding whether or not to decide if they should build a train in the middle of nowhere

I'd bet you guys would go for it if politicians had a plan to get it done in 5 years.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 07:11:05 PM

In America we use 14 year "plans":

Quote

With an anticipated construction and planning cost of $68.4 billion (in year-of-expenditure dollars) for Phase 1, the project is the most expensive public works project in United States history.[7] Its cost and scope have been major points of contention, and the project has had to contend with a number of lawsuits seeking to stop it. Although these cases have thus far delayed the project by a few years, none of them have been successful, and construction on the project is now underway. Phase 1 is not due for completion until 2029, however not all necessary funding for its completion has been identified.

IIRC, the only reason they actually started construction is they had to by some date to get the federal grants. And that's after a number of extensions.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2015, 07:20:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 07:03:01 PM

Well, vote on whether or not to spend billions deciding whether or not to decide if they should build a train in the middle of nowhere or to a crappy spot to drop someone off with no further transportation in LA. Oh, and we already spent it anyway, we need more.

California's Dream Train  :aah

It's a good thing market failures don't exist, this sounds like it could be embarrassing if they did. :hitler :whew

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 07:30:57 PM

The market solved the "problem" with giant slingshots that fling large metal birds with people inside them into the air in the general direction of a destination.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2015, 07:34:28 PM

No market outcomes can be failures since they reflect, by definition, the preferences of those involved.

:bow the ouroboros of revealed preference :bow2

Also pretty sure anything that looks like the private sector fucking up is really the result of Carter-era legislation that, for mysterious reasons, only takes effect decades later and also simultaneously in Spain.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2015, 07:39:57 PM

You laugh but we wouldn't have this problem if not for the trains section of the Community Reinvestment Act
 :ufup

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 07:41:29 PM

If only The Great Deregulator had gone further. But Teddy got anxious and ran for President instead of doing more democratization with JC.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 07:44:26 PM

Quote from: Hank Hill

Now, Dad, did he really tell you you could shoot up his car?

Quote from: Cotton Hill

With my nail gun.

 :bow Peacemaker. :bow2

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2015, 08:40:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 06:47:35 PM

voting  :hitler

Assuming you'll still be allowed to vote in 2016: Obama's America :'(

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barry Egan on July 20, 2015, 09:48:50 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/RjltczN.png)

The second sequence is if Trump runs third party in the general election.   :letsfukk

I would put money down on him doing it, too.  Why in the world would he pass up all those additional months of attention and publicity?  Running for president is the richest vein of narcissistic supply he's ever tapped.   

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2015, 09:58:16 PM

Who are these 4% of Hillary voters that are like "Romney choked like a dog, but Trump can get things done!"?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2015, 10:06:37 PM

Absent a credible threat Clinton voters could decide to not vote. I know I hold my nose and vote only when I have to.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2015, 10:41:30 PM

Opinion polls this far out are almost meaningless.  They show name recognition and not much else.

By the time the primaries are over, Trump won't have won any states, he'll have been rhetorical target for politicians of both sides, he'll be polling much lower and the novelty will have worn off.  At that point he'll sit out the general election and tell anybody who will listen that he would have won as an independent.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barry Egan on July 21, 2015, 01:08:03 AM

This poll (the GOP primary portion of it at least (http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-surges-to-big-lead-in-gop-presidential-race/2015/07/20/efd2e0d0-2ef8-11e5-8f36-18d1d501920d_story.html)) does matter for at least one thing  - it's likely to be one of those used to determine who enters the first GOP debate.  :american 

I know that if Trump were to run as a third party it would be after his honeymoon with the base had ended and he wouldn't receive nearly as much of the vote as the poll indicates, but even if he threatened to shave 1% off of the Republican's totals it could present a real obstacle for them.  And I think it's difficult to predict whether he'd actually go that route because his entire campaign defies rational deliberation (he has already said he would consider running third party if it came to that, though that's neither here nor there).  It's a possibility that has at least non-zero odds of happening. 

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2015, 02:44:04 AM

Most interesting thing about Trump's numbers is that the first two days of the polling survey had him in the 20s, but the third day (after the McCain comments) had him in single digits.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2015, 03:03:27 PM

Barry, that's pretty much it.  Any honest adviser or pollster would tell him he'd get crushed in the general, but I'm sure there would be plenty willing to boost his ego if they got a job or a commission off of it.  Might come down to whether his ego benefits more from the attention during the campaign, or from not actually losing.

"Oh yeah, I thought about running as an independent.  Commissioned some polls from Frank Luntz and Mark Penn, best pollsters out there, expensive but they do great work.  Really top guys.  So both of them tell me 'Donald, you beat Hillary and Jeb head to head, you're the only one people know from outside politics, you should run!'  But you know, Jeb probably wouldn't drop out, since the party already sank so much money into that campaign, so even if he's taking five, ten percent of my vote, that might be enough to cost me the election and I didn't want to be the guy who put Hillary in office, yanno?  Plus if I win we're talking a yuuuuuuge paycut for eight years!"

Quote from: The Walrus on July 21, 2015, 01:42:07 AM

I'd be comfortable betting at least $20 that Trump wins at least one state.

I'd put up 20 bucks against you not posting in the NBA thread.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 03:06:48 PM

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/78efa26730a8afb957c7e7f3db0ba8bd/tumblr_nrue0cA1k11rlnmpto1_400.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 03:07:58 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/donald-trump-gives-out-lindsey-grahams-cell-phone-number-120414.html

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If Lindsey Graham has to change cellphone numbers, he has Donald Trump to thank.

On Tuesday, Trump ramped up his attacks on the South Carolina senator — who made headlines Monday for calling the Donald a “jackass” — and even gave out Graham’s private phone number.

Trump began his rambling diatribe by calling Graham a “lightweight” and an “idiot.”

“He doesn’t seem like a very bright guy. He actually probably seems to me not as bright as Rick Perry. I think Rick Perry probably is smarter than Lindsey Graham,” Trump added, riffing on prior insults he had lobbed at the former Texas governor.

Then Trump transitioned to an embarrassing anecdote, which the billionaire real estate developer said was from a few years ago, in which Graham called Trump “begging” him for a good reference with Trump’s pals on the Fox News morning program “Fox & Friends.”

Trump said that he promised Graham he would put out a good word, and the South Carolina Republican then gave him his phone number to follow up.

Trump then read out what he said was Graham’s phone number, telling his supporters to “try it.”

“I wonder what caused that,” Graham told a POLITICO reporter who dialed the number, about the influx of calls.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2015, 03:13:44 PM

Fucks Given = Over -9000

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 03:36:55 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nkXKfVq.png?1)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 03:51:41 PM

Trump running as an independent, after losing the Republican primaries, means he'll have to spend relatively gobs of his own money (compared to winning the GOP nomination) in a three month span to get on the ballot in every state except Michigan AND hit the CPD's moving target criteria or he's not in the debates. The media will cut him off with the rest of the non-Hillary/Walker candidates if he's not. And FOX certainly would.

If he really wants to run the in the general with his own money he's better off not getting on any GOP primary ballots, dropping out before Iowa after using those debates for free, and buying the Constitution Party's nomination.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2015, 04:09:05 PM

The only way I see him running third party is if the RNC fucks him over so much he decides to destroy their general election chances out of pure spite. For instance barring Trump from later primary debates, leaks, the eventual nominee being particularly tough on Trump during the early debates, etc. Why else would he waste money and not be able to share a debate stage with the two candidates. Everything he does is about TV coverage...if he gets none...

Under normal circumstances I expect him to drop out of the race after March's Super Tuesday contests. I'm assuming he'll do poorly in the first four contests (Iowa/NH/SC/NV) but stay in the race out of arrogance/not wanting to be one of the first guys out.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Mandark on July 21, 2015, 04:19:28 PM

I love that they're using the Jim Crow technique of setting "universal" criteria clearly designed to exclude a specific target, only instead of a race of people it's one embarrassing rich white dude.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 04:35:50 PM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on July 21, 2015, 04:05:08 PM

You're telling me a dude who went bankrupt 4 times flashing his cash around won't run on his own money to placate his ego? Come on! He totally will even if it's a failure.

But it's completely different. His businesses were his financial lifeblood prior to respawning as a brand due to his success at going bankrupt.

An independent campaign is going to cost him tons out of pocket to put anything on the air as his poll numbers collapse, he has to fight to get on the ballot, the media cuts him off, he never gets any shot at the debates, etc.

The reason he wanted the Reform nomination in 2000 is that they had ballot status in 20+ states, were eligible for $12.5 million in public funding AND Trump would be able to pay himself back for loans. An independent bid doesn't have that option.

Perot spent $60+ million out of the $190 million total spent on the 1992 campaign. Including $40 million in October. In 1996 Perot spent almost none of his own money, $29 million was the federal funding, and unlike 1992 he took in donations. The campaign only spent slightly more than half that because he paid himself back from it. That was out of $240 million total spent.

Historical side note, Trump ran in the 2000 Independent California Primary though he had dropped out a month before you couldn't really get your name scratched from it (John Anderson had his name put in against his will):

Quote

Johm McCain 38.03%
Al Gore 21.84%
George W. Bush 21.29%
Bill Bradley 7.67%
Ralph Nader 4.29%
Alan Keyes 2.77%
Donald Trump 0.70%
Harry Browne 0.58%
George "Boots" Weber 0.44%
Steve Forbes 0.29%

With just registered Independents he did roughly about the same:

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Al Gore Jr. 234,267
John S. McCain 216,172
George W. Bush 160,308
Bill Bradley 77,646
Ralph Nader 27,833
Alan L. Keyes 20,564
Harry Browne 3,432
Donald J. Trump 3,240

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barraco Barner on July 21, 2015, 04:55:56 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/biYqYEp.png)

Barrack Hussein Obama leading from behind yet again

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: brawndolicious on July 21, 2015, 04:56:43 PM

I'm gonna stand by what I said before, unless he has a life wrecking scandal, he will not drop out before April. The man has absolutely no shame about anything he's said or done in public.

Beyond that, I won't even try to pretend like I'm an armchair Nate Silver as most of you are doing. Like you could ever predict he would insult POWs and Mexicans and not suffer much in the polls due to it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 04:58:17 PM

Why would insulting Mexicans not boost your numbers in a GOP primary?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Oblivion on July 21, 2015, 05:00:29 PM

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@jonathanweisman: Reporter: @SenatorReid, @realDonaldTrump read out loud @LindseyGrahamSC's cell number. Is he fit to run for president?

Reid: Who, Lindsey?

:rofl :rofl: :rofl

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 05:04:41 PM

Meanwhile, in one time 2004 Democratic Presidential near-Frontrunner/Savior news:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaPwqokBn9M

Quote from: Wesley Clark

If these people are radicalized and don’t support the United States, and they’re disloyal to the United States, as a matter of principal that’s fine, that’s their right. It’s our right and our obligation to segregate them from the normal community for the duration of the conflict.

Meanwhile, on Salon: http://www.salon.com/2015/07/20/why_libertarians_should_love_bernie_sanders/

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 06:51:27 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/21/the-case-for-president-john-kasich.html

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The reason Kasich is to be taken seriously in his bid for the White House, in addition to his enormous success in the Buckeye State, is that he has always overcome obstacles when people told him what he couldn’t. When he was just 18 and a freshman at Ohio State, Kasich pestered the secretary to then-OSU President Novice Fawcett for a meeting. When she relented and added him to the schedule, Kasich discovered that Fawcett was about to leave for a meeting with President Nixon.

Kasich was turned down in his request to join Fawcett’s meeting with the president, but he didn’t walk away empty-handed—Fawcett agreed to deliver a letter from the young freshman asking for his own meeting with the president.

In part, Kasich wrote on December 2, 1970: “I would immediately pass up a Rose Bowl trip to see you. My parents would permit me to fly down and see you anytime and I know my grades wouldn’t suffer…I know how busy you are and this is probably a ridiculous request but to me it would be a dream come true.”

Surprising nearly everyone except Kasich, Nixon agreed to a sit-down with the young student. The two would meet nearly three weeks later and Kasich spent nearly 20 minutes with the president. And, being Kasich, he wound up doing most of the talking.

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Kasich’s empathy and compassion for others, particularly children in distress, is little known. We had a young woman named Christine Stephan who worked in Kasich’s office as in intern in the mid-1990s. Stephan was full of energy and life even though she had been diagnosed with cystic fibrosis and given little time to live. Kasich closely monitored her condition even after she had returned to Columbus following her internship to await a new set of lungs at Children’s Hospital.

Christine was a big fan of then-House Speaker Newt Gingrich. As she lay dying in her hospital bed, Stephan asked if Kasich could fulfill one of her final requests: a signed photograph of the new Speaker to place in her hospital room. Kasich’s eyes welled with tears when I told him of her wish—and I was blessed to deliver the treasured photo to her just days before her death in July 1997. The unbridled joy Christine took in receiving a photo from her political hero lit up the room with energy and light even as she lay dying.

John Kasich is ready to be president.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barraco Barner on July 21, 2015, 08:10:27 PM

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/admit-it-you-people-want-see-how-far-goes-dont-you-50895

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: helios on July 21, 2015, 08:35:54 PM

 

Quote from: Barraco Barner on July 21, 2015, 08:10:27 PM

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/admit-it-you-people-want-see-how-far-goes-dont-you-50895

Quote

The thing is, I’ve got all of you eating out of my hand and I haven’t even released a single campaign commercial yet. Don’t look me in the eye and tell me you don’t want to stick around and see what that looks like, because you and I both know these ads are going to be absolutely incredible. I’ll be standing there projecting my best presidential air, saying “I’m Donald Trump, and I approve this message,” and you won’t be able to take your eyes off it.

:letsfukk

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2015, 11:33:32 PM

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/21/jesse_venturas_perfect_ann_coulter_putdown_what_has_she_ever_done_to_deserve_any_credibility_whatsoever/

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Jesse Ventura: “Fifty percent of murders in Texas have been linked to illegal aliens…” you stated this on “The Greg Gutfeld Show,” in reference to Donald Trump’s comments on immigration from Mexico. But our friends at [Politifact] say your claim is false and call it a mighty exaggeration — you were talking about a statistic Ann Coulter referenced in her book. Who would give Ann Coulter a, what has she ever done to deserve any credibility whatsoever?

Gavin: What? Ann Coulter is one of my favorite, the most talented researchers in America today, she writes the most concise, astute, and compelling books I’ve ever read, and anyone’s ever read, her books are fantastic, they’re factually accurate, and I, I’ve tweeted the page that references that fifty percent, she was talking about a Rick Perry quote–

:lol

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 21, 2015, 11:48:10 PM

Read Vice y'all.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: CajoleJuice on July 22, 2015, 12:03:11 AM

Quote from: Vularai on July 21, 2015, 11:48:10 PM

Read Vice y'all.

a buddy of mine writes for their sports now so  :punch

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:07:09 AM

Gavin's been gone from Vice for a long time, he shits on all sorts of stuff they do that he used to do constantly. And that he wrote a book praising.

Guy has gone through a weird as fuck transformation after having kids or maybe it's just because I've seen it happen in real time.

Or maybe he's just reached peak-troll in record time.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 22, 2015, 12:07:21 AM

I'm too young for you to elderly abuse, son. :ufup

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:08:48 AM

He's also Canadian so it's funny when he goes off on rants about the need to ban all immigration into the United States.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2015, 12:18:31 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:08:48 AM

He's also Canadian so it's funny when he goes off on rants about the need to ban all immigration into the United States.

Maybe this is Canadian humor (humour?) that we don't understand?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:24:18 AM

So you're saying I have to wait until he gets a gig on SNL to get why people like him?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:46:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM4VrwMEsRs

 :dead

And the Jesse Ventura segment: http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/gavin-fix-0_3epe9ipq1c6j

dat shirt :lawd

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:57:46 AM

Gavin telling Jesse that legalizing abortion oppresses the 50% of women who are pro-life. :lol

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2015, 12:40:40 PM

conservative white male humor
:kobeyuck

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2015, 04:48:29 PM

That poll has republicans with parity or above democrats in voter ID. Nah...

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2015, 05:54:20 PM

Obama's approval rating has gone up in the past month or so, though.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Steve Contra on July 22, 2015, 05:57:49 PM

Definitely the time to overthink polling.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2015, 05:59:08 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 22, 2015, 05:57:49 PM

Definitely the time to overthink polling.

Right out of the Cheebs playbook

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Steve Contra on July 22, 2015, 06:28:52 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 22, 2015, 05:57:49 PM

Definitely the time to overthink polling.

Definitely the time to overthink polling.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 07:51:39 PM

So much attention over one poll.

At least that means there's nothing else going on in the world, which is cool.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: ZephyrFate on July 22, 2015, 08:36:13 PM

let's not link anything involving Steven Punchable McFuckFace Crowder

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barry Egan on July 22, 2015, 10:14:35 PM

Towards what end would Hillary be trying to steal the media's attention right now? She's doing a great job of staying out of the way while Trump immolates his own party. Bernie has a resonant message but isn't competitive enough at this point (or ever) to pose a real threat.  Instead of taking swings at phantoms she can save her energy now and spend time quietly reinforcing her coalition for the both the primary and the general, which is what she appears to be doing.  Makes a lot of sense imo. 

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 11:20:25 PM

PPP poll, GOP only:

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he federal minimum wage is currently $7.25-
which of the following would you support mostincreasing
it to $15 an hour, increasing it to $12
an hour, increasing it to $10 an hour, keeping it
at $7.25 an hour, or eliminating the federal
minimum wage altogether?
Support increaing to $15.00 an hour 7% ...............
Support increasing to $12.00 an hour 11% .............
Support increasing to $10.00 an hour 34% .............
Support keeping it at $7.25 an hour 24% ................
 20% Support eliminating the federal minimum
wage altogether ..............................................
Not sure 3%

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 11:25:37 PM

PPP poll, Trump's Hair:
Democrats: 7% Favorable, 67% Unfavorable
Republicans: 20% Favorable, 34% Unfavorable
Independents: 11% Favorable, 38% Unfavorable
Overall: 12% Favorable, 49% Unfavorable

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barry Egan on July 23, 2015, 09:07:44 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:46:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM4VrwMEsRs

For reasons I can't even rationalize to myself I watched this entire thing.  Here's the money quote:

Quote from: Crowder

First of all, there is no systemic discrimination in the United States ok?  I mean, there's a black president of the United States ok? There are individual racists, sure, absolutely.  But actually, as an English speaking Canadian born to a French Canadian mom, which complicates the laws even more [in Quebec], I've faced more systemic discrimination in North America than any other group can.  I had to go to French schools.  They thought I was learning disabled.  And I wasn't learning disabled.  I just couldn't do math and geography and history in French.  I was a step behind everyone else and I wasn't allowed to go to English schools!

 :flabbypd :foxx :tocry :shaq2 :kobeyuck :itagaki

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 23, 2015, 09:08:16 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 22, 2015, 10:36:50 PM

The damage Trump is doing to the republican party is truly amazing. He has spent weeks making prejudiced to straight out racist comments and yet barely any republicans are denouncing him. It's amazing.

There's no real advantage in denouncing Trump. All he does is drag you in the mud with him.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2015, 09:11:15 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/248912-trump-stewart-is-begging-me-to-appear-on-his-final-show

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Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said that Jon Stewart is “begging” him to appear on the final episode of Comedy Central’s “The Daily Show.”

“They have invited me,” Trump told The Hill in an interview. “I like Jon Stewart — I think he’s good. They’re begging me to go on.

“I would do it ... the problem is it looks like pandering. It looks so false and so phony if I do it,” he added.

...

“I don’t think there’s anything wrong with President Obama having done it,” Trump said. “I know he took a lot of heat, you know, because they said, ‘What are you doing on a comedy show?’ I think it’s OK.”

He said that “it would’ve been better if he had Stewart come over to the White House, because it would’ve cost nothing.”

“Stewart would’ve loved it, and you’d have saved a lot of money,” Trump said.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Barry Egan on July 23, 2015, 09:14:55 AM

it would have been the yoogest, classiest and most luxurious episode of the Daily Show there ever was.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 23, 2015, 09:19:48 AM

Quebec rules. Vive le Québec libre. :bow2

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2015, 09:32:35 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 23, 2015, 09:08:16 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 22, 2015, 10:36:50 PM

The damage Trump is doing to the republican party is truly amazing. He has spent weeks making prejudiced to straight out racist comments and yet barely any republicans are denouncing him. It's amazing.

There's no real advantage in denouncing Trump. All he does is drag you in the mud with him.

I agree to a degree but at the same time the Trump comments were one of the biggest stories in Spanish media for a few weeks and is still reverberating. The fact that it took so long for a relevant candidate to say anything did damage to the party amongst republicans. And if Trump survives long enough to reach the debates the entire immigration issue will be viewed through the lens he has created. Will Bush/Rubio/"moderate" candidates take him on face to face? Probably not, given the makeup of the GOP base in those early states. The damage could easily go on for another month.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 23, 2015, 11:07:12 AM

It's July 23, 2015.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Kara on July 23, 2015, 11:13:00 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 23, 2015, 11:07:12 AM

It's July 23, 2015.

4 letters in July
20 / 4 = 5

2 + 3 = 5

1 x 5 = 5

Hail Eris.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: studyguy on July 23, 2015, 11:14:53 AM

Apparently he's going in as a third-party candidate?
I don't buy it, all that signals to me is that enough of his initial backers have low key pulled the floor out from under him and bolted.

Now then again if he actually does do it, at least he takes the batshit crazy vote with him to crash and burn. Man is doing the republicans no favors either way.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2015, 01:45:56 PM

Quote

Maybe a writer of the power and moral authority of Coates should let people in on this little secret? Between the World and Me feels nihilistic because there is no positive program to leaven the despair and the call for perpetual struggle. Although Coates made a stab at one in his famous essay, “The Case for Reparations.” Let’s play along and say that we adopt a modest, roughly $1 trillion program of reparations, which would be more than $20,000 for every black person in the country, regardless of his or her family’s personal history or current financial circumstances. Would that program be transformative for any individual?

No. For poor blacks to escape poverty, it would still require all the personal attributes that contribute to success. So Coates is selling snake oil. Even if he got his fantastical reparations that he has poured such literary energy into advocating, real improvement in the condition of black people would still require the moral effort that he won’t advocate for.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/the-toxic-world-view-of-ta-nehisi-coates-120512.html?ml=po#.VbEm6PkYGSo

You know who wrote it, without clicking the link.

Too bad Coates doesn't give a shit what white people think or else he'd put all of these clowns on that Summer Jam screen.
:lawd

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Shadow Mod on July 24, 2015, 11:54:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 22, 2015, 12:57:46 AM

Gavin telling Jesse that legalizing abortion oppresses the 50% of women who are pro-life. :lol

 :beli :comeon :snoop :shaq2 :dayum :picard :pacspit

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2015, 12:40:41 AM

Man all the sexist shit that's going to be said over the next year or two during this election...
:kobeyuck

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2015, 01:08:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2015, 12:40:41 AM

Man all the sexist shit that's going to be said over the next year or two during this election...
:kobeyuck

It'll be worth it, though- just like when Obama got elected and racism ended, think about how misogyny will go away forever when Hillary is President!

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2015, 01:13:27 AM

"A woman is president, there are no more excuses for women to complain about!"

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 03:01:03 AM

Trump about to sweep the black vote: https://twitter.com/dennisrodman/status/624651124545581056

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Dennis RodmanVerified account
‏@dennisrodman
@realDonaldTrump has been a great friend for many years. We don't need another politician, we need a businessman like Mr. Trump! Trump 2016

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 03:12:35 AM

going to look for this segment, may never post here or anywhere again due to death:
(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Video/__NEW/2015-07-15T22-56-11-5Z--1280x720.video_1067x600.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 03:36:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhhYQBmWOL4

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 08:22:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-BItOvXP48

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2015, 10:30:41 AM

When I first started playing team basketball we had half court drive drills where one kid would dribble to the basket as fast as they could and throw up a layup, while another kid trailed behind for the potential rebound/put back. If Biden runs I'm guessing he's going to be the trailing kid, waiting for the other to fuck up that wide open layup. The NY Times apparently fucked up yesterday in terms of repeating bullshit they were likely fed by ranking House republicans getting a story wrong about Hillary...but I still wouldn't rule out something eventually being revealed that damages her. Surely the establishment would rather have Biden in the wings just in case, rather than Sanders or even O'Malley.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2015, 02:00:52 PM

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/government-elections-politics/new-photos-show-bush-administration-reaction-to-911-attacks/

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 25, 2015, 07:33:20 PM

damn, is that a thousand yard stare on W there or what (https://farm1.staticflickr.com/445/19729001470_c432c5c031_z.jpg)?

would I be just fine with vice president Biden? Sure, absolutely. But I really don't think this third or fourth reheating of the Benghazi scandal is going to amount to much. C'mon GOP, is that really the best ammo you've got? One of the most scrutinized people on earth and you're big 'gotcha' is that she wasn't secretive enough of some information that meant nothing anyway? The only thing this 'new' scandal is good for is a sneak preview of the conservative freakouts yet to come when Hilary is the shot caller in chief.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2015, 01:05:04 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/421600/obama-deserves-impeachment-iran

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The president “must certainly be punishable for giving false information to the Senate.”

One can imagine hearing such counsel from a contemporary United States senator on the receiving end of President Obama’s “full disclosure” of the nuclear deal with Iran. But the admonition actually came from James Iredell, a champion of the Constitution’s ratification, who was later appointed to the Supreme Court by President George Washington.

Iredell was addressing the obligations the new Constitution imposed on the president in the arena of international affairs. Notwithstanding the chief executive’s broad powers to “regulate all intercourse with foreign powers,” it would be the president’s “duty to impart to the Senate every material intelligence he receives.” Indeed, among the most egregious offenses a president could commit would be fraudulently inducing senators “to enter into measures injurious to their country, and which they would not have consented to had the true state of things been disclosed to them.”

A little over a year ago, I recounted Iredell’s cautionary words in Faithless Execution. They echo an instructive illustration offered by James Madison, the Constitution’s principal author: If the president were “to commit any thing so atrocious” as to fraudulently rig Senate approval of an international agreement, he would “be impeached and convicted.”

RELATED: Is the Iran Deal the Worst Political Blunder of All Time?

Interestingly, the perfidy in Madison’s hypothetical involved summoning into session only senators favorably disposed toward a formal treaty that the president wanted approved. That was more plausible in the late 18th century: Under the Constitution, a treaty may be approved by “two thirds of the senators present” for the vote; and back then, senators coming from far and wide could not fly to the nation’s capital at the drop of a hat.

The hypothetical is telling as we consider Obama’s Iran deal. The Constitution makes treason a ground for impeachment, but it seems to have been outside Madison’s contemplation that a president would actually be so insidious as to use his foreign-affairs power to give aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States. On that score, note that as soon as Obama’s deal was announced, not only was Iran’s foreign minister vowing to continue funding jihadist terror; the regime’s “supreme leader,” Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, was also extolling the continued Iranian call for “Death to America.”

Madison could not fathom a president who undermines the Constitution’s treaty requirements by the ruse of labeling a treaty an “agreement” or a “joint plan of action.” Still less could he imagine a president who resorts to chicanery in communicating the terms of an international agreement to the Congress. Such duplicity must have seemed inconceivable.

Yet now, it is not just conceivable. It is happening

...

The Constitution forbids providing aid and comfort to America’s enemies. And the Framers’ notion that a president would be punishable for deceiving Congress regarding the conduct of foreign affairs meant that lawmakers would be obliged to use their constitutional powers to protect the United States — not merely shriek on cable television as if they were powerless spectators.

Well?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2015, 03:16:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 26, 2015, 01:17:22 AM

Well?

You will be made to care.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Brehvolution on July 26, 2015, 04:13:00 PM

So basically, they still haven't read the deal yet.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2015, 04:15:55 PM

Mike Huckabee: Obama Marching Israelis 'To The Door Of The Oven'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-iran-oven_55b4f0a2e4b0224d88328498?m73qh0k9

 :foxx

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2015, 04:31:13 PM

RELATED: Is the Iran Deal the Worst Political Blunder of All Time?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2015, 10:18:36 PM

http://press.foxnews.com/2015/05/fox-news-and-facebook-partner-to-host-first-republican-presidential-primary-debate-of-2016-election/

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• Must meet all U.S. Constitutional requirements; and
• Must announce and register a formal campaign for president; and
• Must file all necessary paperwork with the Federal Election Commission (FEC); and
• Must have paid all necessary federal and state filing fees; and
• Must place in the top 10 of an average of the five most recent national polls, as recognized by FOX News leading up to August 4th at 5 PM/ET. Such polling must be conducted by major, nationally recognized organizations that use standard methodological techniques.

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A top five cable network, FNC has been the most-watched news channel in the country for more than 13 years and according to Public Policy Polling, is the most trusted television news source in the country. Owned by 21st Century Fox, FNC is available in more than 90 million homes and dominates the cable news landscape, routinely notching the top ten programs in the genre.

Adding to the announcement, Andy Mitchell, Director, News and Global Media Partnerships at Facebook, said, “Facebook’s scale and foundation in real identity give Fox News and the Republican contenders for the nomination the opportunity to open up the debate to Americans in a new and unique way. FOX News hosts often take to Facebook to connect with viewers authentically; their using Facebook to bring those viewers into this debate demonstrates how the platform has become an essential part of the political process.”

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Brehvolution on July 27, 2015, 10:31:14 AM

Fox news was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2015, 11:03:39 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on July 27, 2015, 10:31:14 AM

Fox news was a mistake. It's nothing but trash.

The Trump Debates will make it all worth it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2015, 09:21:14 PM

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Michael Cohen, special counsel at The Trump Organization, defended his boss, saying, “You’re talking about the front-runner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can’t rape your spouse.”

“It is true,” Cohen added. “You cannot rape your spouse. And there’s very clear case law.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lnrqruwRL51qctxoxo1_500.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Mandark on July 27, 2015, 09:39:35 PM

The #cuckservative hashtag is apparently a thing on Twitter now.  Basically a synonym of "RINO" for white supremacists who thought the term could use some really creepy sexual baggage.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2015, 09:43:56 PM

I wonder what Huckabee thinks about this....

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2015, 09:47:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 27, 2015, 09:39:35 PM

The #cuckservative hashtag is apparently a thing on Twitter now.  Basically a synonym of "RINO" for white supremacists who thought the term could use some really creepy sexual baggage.

Conservatives and creepy sexual baggage do often go hand and hand.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Obummer sells us out for 30 pieces of nuclear silver
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2015, 02:24:39 PM

http://video.pbs.org/video/2365533890/

Coates clapping back at Brooks.
:whoo

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2015, 07:28:14 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jul/28/mike-huckabee-door-oven-response-jewish-people-ove/

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Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said the response he’s gotten from Jewish people to his recent comments that the Iran deal is marching Israelis “to the door of the oven” has been “overwhelmingly positive.”

“The response from Jewish people has been overwhelming positive,” Mr. Huckabee said Tuesday on NBC’s “Today” program. “The response from Holocaust survivors, from the children of Holocaust survivors. I was last night in an event - I was probably one of four gentiles in the entire event - it was a Jewish event. People were overwhelmingly supportive.”

...

“I have been to Auschwitz three times. I have stood at that very place,” he said. “I’ve been to Israel dozens of times. My first trip there was 42 years ago. The one thing I am absolutely assured of is that for 6,000 years, Jews have been hunted down and the last time the world did not take seriously threats against the Jewish people, just before World War II, this ended up in the murder of six million Jews.

“We need to use strong words when people make strong threats against an entire group of people as the Iranians have made toward the Jews,” he said.

(http://i.imgur.com/E0xHQ0p.png)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2015, 07:36:32 PM

Fundamentalist Christians must creep Jews out like white dudes with an Asian fetish creep out Asian chicks.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2015, 08:22:52 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/oUzh91m.jpg)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-walker-cheesesteaks-philadelphia-visit

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2015, 11:58:35 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/28/politics/sarah-palin-donald-trump-administration/index.html

 :idont

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2015, 01:33:58 AM

:neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2015, 04:58:16 PM

Michael Savage just called Trump "the Winston Churchill of our time."  :rejoice

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on July 29, 2015, 05:02:26 PM

He didn't mean to burn him?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2015, 07:34:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSkUzoVF-XI

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2015, 07:45:32 PM

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Asked about Iran, Trump said it is “inconceivable” that New York Democratic Sen. Chuck Schumer, who he always “thought loved Israel,” would support the Iran deal in the Senate.

After Savage interjected to ask whether Schumer has come out to say he is going to support the deal, Trump replied, “nobody knows what he is going to do,” before suggesting Israel might pressure him to oppose it.

“Actually I’m surprised that Israel isn’t putting tremendous pressure on Schumer because they do have a lot of power over Schumer,” Trump said, implying a sitting U.S. senator’s vote could be swayed by the pressure of a foreign power. (RELATED: Savage Says Obama Purging Military Like Stalin)

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Post by: Kara on July 29, 2015, 09:43:39 PM

Savage Says Obama Purging Military Like Stalin

:tocry that's my president

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2015, 10:03:57 PM

This was pre-2014 Elections:

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“Just as Stalin purged his generals, albeit in a more bloody manner, Obama has been purging the military,” Savage said, comparing Obama to one of history most evil monsters, while suggesting – falsely – that he has forced 8,000 officers from the military for political reasons.

Given his alarmist view of Obama, it is not so surprising that Savage believes the president might try to instigate some type of insurrection in order to grab even more power.

“My worst fear is that they are going to provoke an insurrection in this country as a pretext to aggrandize more power and possibly start taking more liberties with the Second Amendment,” he said

But have no fear. Savage’s book presents a solution to the Obama problem: vote Republican in November.

“I focus in ‘Stop The Coming Civil War’ on these attacks on our schools, on our borders, our language, our culture, our military,” he said. “And I focus on it for one reason: We have 30 days to save America. Why do I say that? It is as simple as this: We have to throw every Democrat out and we have to put in the opposition party.”

...

“Well, I wouldn’t go that far because we don’t know what he is going to do in two years. I know what he is doing right now,” Savage says when asked whether he believes the president is angling to hold onto power indefinitely, as Stalin-esque leaders tend to do.

“I don’t know. I can’t even think that far ahead,” he said, when pressed on the same question later in the interview. “I don’t know what he can or cannot do. I do know that anything is possible because if someone would have said that he wouldn’t limit flights from an Ebola area and he wouldn’t get away with it, I‘d say your crazy.”

...

In Savage’s telling, Obama is working with his elite friends to create a “New World Order,” one “without any borders, without any single language, without a single cultural identity.”

“This is part of the New World Order in the sense of the new Soviet world. It’s sort of emerging like a new Soviet world ruled by a power elite,” he says.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2015, 11:06:34 PM

But will he teach us one weird trick for ending Comrade Obama's 3rd term and putting Trump in the Oval Office, using natural herbal remedies and homeopathic medicine?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2015, 12:43:58 AM

Savage's snorting in the background while Trump talks :kobeyuck

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2015, 12:45:42 AM

I couldn't hear it on the radio but listening to it on youtube with headphones it added a layer of gravitas to the conversation.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2015, 01:14:12 AM

Mandark,

Mickey Kaus "reviewed" Ann Coulter's new book on immigration: http://www.kausfiles.com/2015/07/28/coulters-challenge/

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2015, 02:10:55 AM

Ah the inferior cultures argument. Have I mentioned my disdain for Colin Cowherd lately?

I also wasn't aware that conservatives are "winning" the immigration debate. But I am curious to see if immigration can be successfully tied to the populism sentiments that are rising, specifically in terms of wages and cheap labor. I heard Sanders talked about that recently but I haven't read his comments. It seems like anti immigration sentiments could increase if that argument came to the forefront.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on July 30, 2015, 02:40:07 AM

The average American doesn't even have a passable familiarity with labor economics, it's hard to make DEY TOOK UR JERBS into an issue voters will turn out for when that's about as sophisticated as you can get with the issue.

Plus (and this is admittedly :hans1) fungible red states have been exerting the same downward pressure on wages at a legislative level for years. I think at the end of the day GOP leadership would rather not run the risk of labor aristocracy's fatted calves making that connection too and rocking the bourgeois party boat full of blow and lickspittles after this epiphany.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Steve Contra on July 30, 2015, 03:36:59 PM

I wish the debates would come already so we get to hear Rubio and Jeb stumble when asked about immigration :lawd

God bless Donald Trump :tocry

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Barry Egan on July 30, 2015, 04:35:03 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-nh-focus-group

"what do you think a Trump presidency would look like?"
"classy"

:dead

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2015, 05:03:42 PM

"He's just like one of us!"

:rofl

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on July 30, 2015, 05:22:24 PM

Trump is polling higher than Jeb in Florida now, surprising no one.

 He did some CNN interview yesterday talking about mass deportation and letting "good ones" back in. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/politics/donald-trump-immigration-plan-healthcare-flip-flop/)

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"We have a lot of bad dudes, as I said. We have a lot of really bad people here," Trump said. "I want to get the bad ones out...And by the way, they're never coming back."

::)

Man these debates are going to be fucking delicious.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on July 30, 2015, 05:53:08 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on July 30, 2015, 04:35:03 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-nh-focus-group

"what do you think a Trump presidency would look like?"
"classy"

:dead

(http://g01.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1rnuDHVXXXXccXVXXq6xXFXXXd/Piececool-Miniature-Instrument-Buiding-Assembly-Jigsaw-Puzzle-Laser-DIY-Kit-White-House-Golden-3D-Kits.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on July 30, 2015, 07:56:21 PM

One week to go. I think Trump is going to present himself as a conservative Paris Hilton; the frustrated masses who wish they could pretend to be smart and successful will love him.

As long as he doesn't have to answer any policy questions, he'll be golden (but not in the WH).

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Oblivion on July 31, 2015, 05:40:35 AM

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"I knew that he was a wealthy, successful man and I remember asking my mother if I could write him a letter to ask him how he made his money so that I could do it too,"

Quote

...Jessica, a data analyst, said.

:rofl :rofl :rofl

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Steve Contra on July 31, 2015, 02:46:14 PM

I was lured into reading a wsj editorial and arguing public works spending with 2 libertarians

(http://i.imgur.com/isSvR0E.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Mandark on July 31, 2015, 02:49:26 PM

^ mods please move to struggle thread thanks

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Steve Contra on July 31, 2015, 03:07:32 PM

Luckily my wife is going in on them hard  :noah

Argue with experts brehs

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on July 31, 2015, 03:42:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 31, 2015, 03:07:32 PM

Luckily my wife is going in on them hard  :noah

The genderfluid dry pegging dystopia is already upon us. :brazilcry

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Steve Contra on July 31, 2015, 03:46:45 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 31, 2015, 03:42:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 31, 2015, 03:07:32 PM

Luckily my wife is going in on them hard  :noah

The genderfluid dry pegging dystopia is already upon us. :brazilcry

You didn't even have to ask the gender of the libertarians.  Be a part of a movement that's just loser white dudes. :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on July 31, 2015, 03:54:09 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 31, 2015, 03:46:45 PM

Quote from: Vularai on July 31, 2015, 03:42:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 31, 2015, 03:07:32 PM

Luckily my wife is going in on them hard  :noah

The genderfluid dry pegging dystopia is already upon us. :brazilcry

You didn't even have to ask the gender of the libertarians.  Be a part of a movement that's just loser white dudes. :neogaf

Markets regulate themselves. Every man is an island.

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 31, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

All of this brings up an important question. If a libertopian gets pegged does he scream "Ayn Rand!" as he cums?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on July 31, 2015, 09:56:16 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mike-huckabee-troops-abortion_55bbc20ee4b06363d5a22323

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Huckabee addressed abortion again at his next stop in Rockwell City, Iowa, where a reporter asked him whether stopping abortion would mean using federal troops or the FBI.

"We'll see if I get to be president," Huckabee said, according to the Topeka Capital-Journal.

"All American citizens should be protected," he added.

 :beli

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2015, 11:06:40 AM

Huckabee won't get to president, so we're not going to see.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2015, 12:24:43 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2015, 11:06:40 AM

Huckabee won't get to president, so we're not going to see.

spoilers
:beli

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Barry Egan on August 01, 2015, 01:27:57 PM

Huckabee's vision of America is somehow more demented than Trump's so far.  He's hinted at completely ignoring or dismantling the supreme court and now instituting martial law so that there are no abortions.  And I suppose incestuous child molesters would get off pretty easy as long as they are Christians.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 01, 2015, 02:38:18 PM

Huckabee is running for a cabinet position and he knows it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 01, 2015, 02:53:22 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 01, 2015, 02:38:18 PM

Huckabee is running for a cabinet position and he knows it.

An attorney general if I ever saw one.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 01, 2015, 05:50:38 PM

its weird, isn't it? 2008 Huckabee had pretty much the same dogmatic stances on social issues, but he was much smoother and less petulant/angry about it. Watching him speak back then I was quite impressed by his skill in presenting points that I in no way agreed with, but I did really like how he communicated them. His Fox Show was a relative model of civility as well, at least according to my limited exposure(I saw Bill frigging Mahr on Fox, it was a perfectly cordial interview that Bill seemed himself baffled to be having).

That guy has soured pretty hard over time, or maybe the charm points he gained in exchange for losing weight were spent over time.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 01, 2015, 05:54:41 PM

He never had to compete with Trump for attention before. That's really all it is.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Oblivion on August 01, 2015, 07:10:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 01, 2015, 05:54:41 PM

He never had to compete with Trump for attention before. That's really all it is.

Huckabee's been a theocratic shithead long before Trump entered the freakshow.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: VomKriege on August 01, 2015, 07:48:30 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on July 31, 2015, 07:44:22 PM

All of this brings up an important question. If a libertopian gets pegged does he scream "Ayn Rand!" as he cums?

More like "Fountainhead !" :hulk

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2015, 08:34:10 PM

Huckabee isn't the only person who has lurched in the far right during the Obama years. His presidency has been met with a level of pure hatred and seething that has forced many republican politicians to become more bombastic and emotional.

In the aftermath of the 2012 election there seemed to some level of admission on the part of republicans that the extremism wasn't good. We got the "GOP autopsy" which called for immigration reform, Bobby Jindal implored republicans to stop being "the stupid party," Sean Hannity suddenly came out for immigration reform, etc. But as expected, the ideas formulated by the party in New York and Washington were out of step with republicans elsewhere. They still hate Obama, they still think he has destroyed the country, etc. And they rode that extremism to more 2014 gains, and now the base seems to be demanding they ride that wave again for 2016.

Trump's populist appeal seems to be rooted in the realization that for all the talk of Obama being the weakest, worst president ever...he has enacted much of his agenda, and republicans in congress have failed to stop him. Republican voters are mad, and they want someone who can "win" for them. I've always wondered...what's the appeal of guys like Cruz, Rubio, and Paul for president? They haven't beaten Obama - in fact they've been beaten by him time and time again. And it'll happen again in a few weeks with the government shutdown fight over Planned Parenthood. Trump gets to talk about all the things he'd do, how he'd accomplish xyz, and he has convinced a lot of people. Ultimately I think Scott Walker will be able to pick up that mantle once Trump fizzles out. Walker has actually accomplished shit that republicans want to see done. They want someone who has beaten and humiliated liberals, and Walker is that guy IMO. Even though his electoral victories are pretty weak (hasn't won any races during a general election November).

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 02, 2015, 12:24:00 AM

You got some good points there, Trump is in fact a credible Washington outsider. I think his viciousness can be appealing if you're the kind of person who also holds such regressive views (so he's got the shithead vote). But that can't be just the whole story, damn near the entire GOP field is nearly on the same page as him politically.

Anyways, Trump may be a transparently terrible, ego-fueled know nothing, but the most important thing about him is that he's honest about it. Its easy to think that he's fully believes in every half-formed, mean-spirited thing he says. While Ted Cruz, Bobby Jindal (and so on) would have difficulty being sincere if called upon to prove that they are in fact not-lizard people (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dK8Y2nO_8TM). Paradoxically, the guy who's the most full of bullshit, and has the least substantial politics (has Trump made any specific policy plans of his be known) can seem the most genuine when he's stationed next to people who are already nakedly appealing to your own base instinct. Trump is only in this for himself, and people are responding to that.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: VomKriege on August 02, 2015, 03:23:33 AM

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Huckabee isn't the only person who has lurched in the far right during the Obama years...

And all that because he happens to have black skin... (?) That's not all there is to the story but I guess Republicans are reaping what they sow for pandering to birthers and the Tea Party. This race to the fringe is not the answer, and I think current Western democracies will need a serious overhaul in the coming years.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: team filler on August 02, 2015, 01:29:08 PM

#TRUMPDAGOD2016

(http://i.imgur.com/GaqqLVX.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 02, 2015, 01:48:08 PM

I hope Trump uses that Skype prank call to Scott Walker where someone pretended to be a Koch. :heh

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2015, 01:54:04 PM

Trump  :lol

is he wrong tho :hitler

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2015, 05:45:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VdfarOf8F8

no social experiments in the military huh? why does that sound familiar...oh wait, it's the exact same thing that was said about integrating the military. Which seems like a far larger "social experiment" than letting whatever miniscule amount of transgender people who want to join the military join it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Freyj on August 02, 2015, 07:19:28 PM

The words sex and gender being thrown around in that conversation with seemingly no understanding of a difference between the two.

Not that that's surprising.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 02, 2015, 07:56:39 PM

I wonder if the military's health insurance covers Viagra.

I bet it does.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on August 02, 2015, 08:15:52 PM

Serious question: Is it likely that hormone therapy would affect combat ability? I'm sure you can still be very physically fit but the US military does have restrictions on certain positions where having sight/hearing etc disabilities disqualifies you (such as not being able to be a rifleman). If the hormones, or lack of access to them in a combat situation, makes a transgender person riskier than a cisgender, then it would probably make sense to restrict what kind of military job they can have (ie: can't be a grunt).

In any case, the majority of military jobs are probably far from combat. And I have my doubts that men who are comfortable being around just other dudes 24 hours will feel their sexual identity threatened because somebody in their barracks has different chromosomes or has a boyfriend.

Just a side note, a F2M trans friend of mine who lives in a military town doesn't date servicemen anymore because a lot of them want a gf who's hyper feminine to match their sort of machoness. I wouldn't say that's being progressive but it's something to think about.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 02, 2015, 08:34:21 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 02, 2015, 07:56:39 PM

I wonder if the military's health insurance covers Viagra.

I bet it does.

You gotta keep your hate boner fully erect at all times, like General Huckabee.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 02, 2015, 08:44:59 PM

The IDF has something of a soft ban on women serving front line duty, but that was because of the reactions of men to women casualties (insert "you'll want to protect her" joke here) and not because women's physiological differences were material to combat effectiveness. The existence of differences is not in and of itself material.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2015, 12:00:20 AM

AFAIK, very few armies actually accepted the idea of women in (ground) frontline positions so far, though we are probably getting there for most western countries in the near future (A lot of countries will field woman in any other position, apart for some blanket bans like submarines). As Vularai said, even Israel is not there despite having formed a female light infantry unit. Material differences could maybe exist in things like brute strengh for heavy duty military package and such but is mostly marginal it seems as far as it goes for regular troops.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 12:05:15 AM

I misread "armies" for "animes" and sat here puzzled, unable to respond.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 03, 2015, 01:51:10 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 12:05:15 AM

I misread "armies" for "animes" and sat here puzzled, unable to respond.

That's a sign you've been interneting for too long. Time for a break bruh.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 03, 2015, 09:36:33 AM

Trump + 80's nostalgia:

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A 25-year-old documentary on Donald Trump that the real estate mogul reportedly tried to quash at the time of its filming now has been revived in light of his presidential bid.

"Trump: What's The Deal?" was bankrolled by businessman Leonard Stern, who owned various New York media properties at the time, including the alternative weekly newspaper The Village Voice. It was conceived by the late producer Ned Schnurman as part of a series called "Famous Americans," according to a 1989 New York Magazine cover story on the project.

"What's The Deal?" ultimately failed to reach an audience for a number of reasons: Trump reportedly tried to derail the project, Stern refused to infuse more cash into its production after a certain point, and no TV stations ever agreed to air it, according to the New York Magazine story. The New York Times reported that in 1991, over Stern's objections, Schnurman did end up screening the 90-minute finished product to an audience of 800 people in Bridgehampton, New York.

The unauthorized documentary since had been kept under wraps until it was posted for free online last week. What's striking about watching "What's The Deal?" today -- and learning its backstory -- is that so much of what kept The Donald in the headlines in the late '80s still rings true going into the 2016 election.

http://trumpthemovie.com/watch/

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 03, 2015, 03:16:12 PM

http://gawker.com/call-donald-trumps-cell-phone-and-ask-him-about-his-imp-1720472577

Holy fuck
 :leon

What is Gawker doing?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 03:18:09 PM

please please please be the prologue to a "see, when we post the personal information of a straight white man no one complains" article.

the fuckery :lawd

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 03, 2015, 03:25:47 PM

Pretty sure Trump did the same thing to another governor or something didn't he? It was a woman, no?
Gonna have Obama on speeddial by the end of the year brehs
 :heh

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 03:55:32 PM

from the Iran deal senate hearing

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Cruz: Gen. Soleimani, the head of the al-Quds forces, has more blood of American service members on his hands than any living terrorist. Under this agreement, the sanctions under Gen. Soleimani are lifted. Now, Secretary Kerry said to the families of those men and women who gave their lives, who were killed by Gen. Soleimani, we should apologize. …

Kerry: Sir, I never said the word apology. I never mentioned apologize. I said we should thank them for their extraordinary service. I never said the word apologize. Please, don’t distort my words.

Cruz: Secretary Kerry, it is duly noted you don’t apologize to the family members of the service members who were murdered by the Iranian military.

Kerry: That’s not what I said, senator. [I said] I thank them for their extraordinary service and I would remind them that the United States of America will never take the sanctions off Qasem Soleimani.

Cruz: Sir, I just want to clarity. Do you apologize or not?

wow

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 03, 2015, 04:04:46 PM

Dude is a piece of shit breh.

Quote from: http://time.com/3981623/ted-cruz-climate-change/

“If you look at satellite data for the last 18 years, there’s been zero recorded warming,” Cruz said in California’s Orange County. “The satellite says it ain’t happening.”

Instead, Cruz said, government researchers are reverse engineering data sets to falsify changes in the climate. “They’re cooking the books. They’re actually adjusting the numbers,” Cruz said. “Enron used to do their books the same way.”

Cruz said scientists four decades ago were studying “global cooling, a global ice age was coming,” and they were as wrong as those who now say the earth is warming.

“Senator, you’re not saying global warming isn’t real?” interrupted his interviewer, Politico’s Mike Allen.

“I’m saying that data and facts don’t support it,” Cruz said to applause from 450 donors to the political network organized by billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 03, 2015, 04:49:26 PM

http://mic.com/articles/123231/ryan-bombergers-trying-to-make-abortion-a-black-lives-matter-issue

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Bomberger has gained a degree of national prominence by putting his advertising chops to use with websites and billboards that speak directly to black communities about abortion. He has helped put up billboards in New York and Georgia alleging that "the most dangerous place for an African-American is in the womb."

Bomberger has latched onto the right-wing furor surrounding videos purporting to unveil Planned Parenthood's alleged sale of fetal tissue for medical research by tweeting out an image of a blood-stained drain sink accompanied by the text, "How can we rise when we flush our future down the drain?" The image takes direct aim at civil rights organizations like the NAACP and the Congressional Black Caucus for "actively partner[ing] with the nation's largest abortion chain, Planned Parenthood." The message ends with the hashtags #PPsellsbabyparts, #BlackLiversMatter (a conservative take on the alleged organ sales) and #AllLivesMatter.

(http://images.mic.com/kqvxytqoxqnwm6kdydijxfqdybidpn5snw4j68fci7vmef3lclzvn2zz5lpm6ulm.jpg)

...

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 03, 2015, 05:03:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 03:55:32 PM

from the Iran deal senate hearing

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Cruz: Gen. Soleimani, the head of the al-Quds forces, has more blood of American service members on his hands than any living terrorist. Under this agreement, the sanctions under Gen. Soleimani are lifted. Now, Secretary Kerry said to the families of those men and women who gave their lives, who were killed by Gen. Soleimani, we should apologize. …

Kerry: Sir, I never said the word apology. I never mentioned apologize. I said we should thank them for their extraordinary service. I never said the word apologize. Please, don’t distort my words.

Cruz: Secretary Kerry, it is duly noted you don’t apologize to the family members of the service members who were murdered by the Iranian military.

Kerry: That’s not what I said, senator. [I said] I thank them for their extraordinary service and I would remind them that the United States of America will never take the sanctions off Qasem Soleimani.

Cruz: Sir, I just want to clarity. Do you apologize or not?

wow

Kerry should ask Cruz how many medals he got for serving in the armed forces.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 03, 2015, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 03, 2015, 05:03:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 03:55:32 PM

from the Iran deal senate hearing

Quote

Cruz: Gen. Soleimani, the head of the al-Quds forces, has more blood of American service members on his hands than any living terrorist. Under this agreement, the sanctions under Gen. Soleimani are lifted. Now, Secretary Kerry said to the families of those men and women who gave their lives, who were killed by Gen. Soleimani, we should apologize. …

Kerry: Sir, I never said the word apology. I never mentioned apologize. I said we should thank them for their extraordinary service. I never said the word apologize. Please, don’t distort my words.

Cruz: Secretary Kerry, it is duly noted you don’t apologize to the family members of the service members who were murdered by the Iranian military.

Kerry: That’s not what I said, senator. [I said] I thank them for their extraordinary service and I would remind them that the United States of America will never take the sanctions off Qasem Soleimani.

Cruz: Sir, I just want to clarity. Do you apologize or not?

wow

Kerry should ask Cruz how many medals he got for serving in the armed forces.

Kerry has thrown away more medals than Cruz will ever get.  :american

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 03, 2015, 05:46:09 PM

http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2015/08/louisiana_terminates_its_medic.html

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The Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals is terminating its Medicaid provider contract with Planned Parenthood, Gov. Bobby Jindal's office announced Monday (Aug. 3).

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Planned Parenthood doesn't provide abortions in Louisiana, but does offer family planning services, cervical exams and gynecology services to women in Baton Rouge and New Orleans.

Fuckin' a.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 07:40:21 PM

fuck innocent people over to run for president brehs

The PP story is ugly to me and I'd support a decent investigation...but at the same time it's clear conservatives are purposely confusing the issue of aborted tissue being donated for research (which is legal) and being sold for profit.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2015, 07:42:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 07:40:21 PM

fuck innocent people over to run for president brehs

The PP story is ugly to me and I'd support a decent investigation...but at the same time it's clear conservatives are purposely confusing the issue of aborted tissue being donated for research (which is legal) and being sold for profit.

The unedited videos show the PP officials repeatedly stating that they don't sell the tissue for profit. Investigation done, there you go.

This is just another dirty trick the media isn't gonna call anyone on.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2015, 07:46:26 PM

oh for real? woooow

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 03, 2015, 07:56:19 PM

Acorn bullshit all over again dude.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 03, 2015, 08:02:21 PM

It's all tricks pulled from the James O'Keefe playbook

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on August 03, 2015, 08:40:14 PM

So you're saying they don't have to put a markup on the fetuses because Planned Parenthood is totally socialist and will drive for-profit abortion clinics out of business?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 03, 2015, 10:25:25 PM

If Planned Parenthood could sell fetal material maybe they wouldn't have to panhandle in front of your local state and national legislatures. :ohhh

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 03, 2015, 10:37:44 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 03, 2015, 08:02:21 PM

It's all tricks pulled from the James O'Keefe playbook

No one was dressed up as a pimp and/or Osama bin Laden, so they missed the best tricks.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 12:02:40 AM

It's really unsurprising that they'd charge fees to cover S&H costs, even when there's regulations against making a profit.  Locks of Love will charge something (though considerably less than market value) for their wigs in cases where the family can afford it, for example.

Not that it matters.  This story is going to live forever in chain e-mail Heaven.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 04, 2015, 12:13:14 AM

I want to live in a for-profit PP world. I want cigarette company style advertising campaigns targeting at teens to get them hooked on addictive abortions for the rest of their lives. I want science about the efficacy of birth control methods quashed by paying off doctors.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 12:15:48 AM

Edit old film noirs so that the femme fatales are always having stylish abortions.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 04, 2015, 12:31:12 AM

http://support.californiadriversalliance.org/

(http://i.imgur.com/h8ooID5.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/s7YZQbD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/LXaP0Mn.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2015, 08:50:55 AM

Good morning to you as well.  :)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2015, 12:28:10 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 04, 2015, 08:47:11 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/s7YZQbD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/LXaP0Mn.jpg)

Ah, that old bit of ass-backwards "reasoning."

Please do let me know when you see me or any anti-abortion folks say it's okay to hire someone to kill hobos in aggression, and then you might have a point rather than being a fucking idiot.

What if the hobos are Palestinians?
(http://i.imgur.com/fr1d814.png)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 12:38:34 PM

I didn't realize ending a pregnancy was an act of aggression.

 :derp

Plenty of anti-abortionists will stalk, harass, hack and even blow shit up though.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 01:00:40 PM

Yeah I got my head wedged firmly up in my narrow pelvis. What possible reason could I have to not continue a pregnancy. You're a riot.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 04, 2015, 01:28:28 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 04, 2015, 08:47:11 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 04, 2015, 08:41:23 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/s7YZQbD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/LXaP0Mn.jpg)

Ah, that old bit of ass-backwards "reasoning."

Please do let me know when you see me or any anti-abortion folks say it's okay to hire someone to kill hobos in aggression, and then you might have a point rather than being a fucking idiot.

Like police officers?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 01:52:34 PM

As if I havent been doing that going on over a decade and theyre 100 percent foolproof. You argue like a petulant child.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on August 04, 2015, 03:00:41 PM

I can't really believe that abstinence is a choice (and that's the only perfect birth control). I'm convinced that unless you're stuck on an island or forced to because of cultural reasons or mental illness, you're going to try to fuck somebody every now and then.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 03:21:41 PM

By my calculations I've already murdered about 180 potential humans.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 03:43:02 PM

From 2008-2011 I performed thousands of acts of genocide by preventing human development during sexual intercourse. All those lives blocked by latex, all those futures dashed upon the backs of would be mothers. I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. I even had partners callously swallow lives up, and I thanked them. How could I have been so wrong?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 03:47:54 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 03:43:02 PM

From 2008-2011 I performed thousands of acts of genocide by preventing human development during sexual intercourse. All those lives blocked by latex, all those futures dashed upon the backs of would be mothers. I am become death, the destroyer of worlds. I even had partners callously swallow lives up, and I thanked them. How could I have been so wrong?

You're stealing my clout here  :maf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 03:57:37 PM

Sorry, no one kills like a white male

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 04:08:56 PM

Anyway it's nice (read:  ::)) to have the thread infused with the typical anti-abortionist rhetoric which is either couched in completely arbitrary cherry picking or just plain patronizing, pretending to have any idea of each individual woman's personal history, biology, knowledge and choices regarding her own reproductive destiny.

Pretty sure I have a better idea of what I need and want surrounding my reproductive abilities than some random assclown on the internet, not that it's any of his fucking business anyway. But that's really the point isn't it? My kind doesn't deserve an expansion of freedom and rights because <put your dubious anti-abortion rhetoric here>.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 04:21:26 PM

Blah blah abortion is murder blah blah.

 ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 04, 2015, 04:16:05 PM

Always amusing to see folks who ostensibly passed 5th grade yet don't know the difference between organisms and gametes.

Nice to see someone treating their own 5th grade level understanding of biology as morally proscriptive for other people.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 04:24:20 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 04, 2015, 04:16:05 PM

Always amusing to see folks who ostensibly passed 5th grade yet don't know the difference between organisms and gametes.

Nice to see someone treating their own 5th grade level understanding of biology as morally proscriptive for other people.

Like I said, that arbitrary cherry picking...

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 04:31:36 PM

So JD do you support robust social services to guarantee these organisms a life or, just you know, not death? Murdered in the womb, wrong -- starving in the streets okay?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 04:38:39 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 04, 2015, 04:34:10 PM

It is also worth noting that they are justifying their amoral position on the basis of their ignorance of scientific fact.

This is always so rich.

What fact? The subjective point at which something is a human that has a right to life?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 04:44:19 PM

So because it's not aggression it's okay to support a system that creates unwanted babies who will suffer and die in a dumpster? Because hey, we're not ACTIVELY killing, just setting up a system where their life will go unsupported?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 04:44:36 PM

He means the roughly agreed-upon definition of "organism" which isn't even a fact so much as a concept.  From there he makes a leap to a moral right to life, but if you ask him to show his work he tends to get rather huffy about it.

Let's talk about the Iran deal instead.  I'm pretty psyched about it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 04:48:49 PM

Well I just killed a bunch of organisms walking up the stairs so...

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 04:50:18 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 04, 2015, 04:49:02 PM

No, dumbass, you just compared every time you menstruated with killing someone else.  This means you don't understand even the basics of how sexually reproducing organisms work.

 :umad

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Sman on August 04, 2015, 04:56:28 PM

What was Jaydubya banned from GAF for? I just can not imagine any possible reason.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 05:00:30 PM

Your argument of non-aggression seems short sighted to me. In my view it's highly irresponsible to create a situation in which more unwanted children are carried to term without any means for them to be cared for, and that morally it creates more human suffering than terminating a life before it suffers and strains the resources of society, statistically having a higher chance of turning to a life crime and creating even more suffering.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 05:06:04 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 05:00:30 PM

Your argument of non-aggression seems short sighted to me. In my view it's highly irresponsible to create a situation in which more unwanted children are carried to term without any means for them to be cared for, and that morally it creates more human suffering than terminating a life before it suffers and strains the resources of society, statistically having a higher chance of turning to a life crime and creating even more suffering.

Never mind the whole forcing women to endure a pregnancy part. That's not imposing suffering against the will of another or anything.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 05:07:03 PM

*sits down and munches popcorn*

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 05:13:20 PM

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 05:15:09 PM

Ugh, every time I earnestly engage this guy the responses stop, when do I learn?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2015, 05:19:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNfOoXQ6X6I

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 05:22:55 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 05:13:20 PM

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

Because a lot of people can't accept their own life choices as enough, they consistently have to justify them by shitting on others or worse, making options and rights unavailable to them.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 05:13:20 PM

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 06:09:34 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 05:13:20 PM

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

I can't tell you how many times I've run into people against abortion but okay with IvF.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 04, 2015, 06:26:04 PM

Fox just announced their lineup for the debate on Aug 6th.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/08/04/fox-news-announces-candidate-line-up-for-prime-time-debate/

Quote

Real estate magnate Donald Trump; former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush; Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker; former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee; retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson; Texas Sen. Ted Cruz; Florida Sen. Marco Rubio; Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul; New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie; and Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

I can't fucking wait to see this shit
 :itagaki

Quote

Analysts have warned that Trump, whose bomb-throwing persona has seemingly fueled his climb, stands to lose traction if he can't command the stage.

Steve Deace, who hosts a conservative radio talk show in the Hawkeye State, said: "His entire campaign is based on him being a blunt instrument" and if he holds back, "that would be the death knell for him."

Don't listen to them Trump! Do you  :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 06:26:47 PM

That line-up.

 :dead

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 04, 2015, 06:35:33 PM

We got Jeb, Rand telling women/PP to fuck off, Christie trying to fuck everyone smoking up and teachers in the ass, Cruz doing his best to be human  :trash, Huckabee telling scientists about global warming to fuck off, and golden boy trump.

The rest  :heh

The race to the bottom is real and there can only be one  :piss winner :piss2


Oh and Perry, Rick Santorum, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, Jim Gilmore and George Pataki are not invited/dead in the water.
 :goty2

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 07:01:52 PM

Serious question, is there a GOP candidate running (or anywhere) that's an actual social libertarian (a gov out of bedrooms type not a stupid internet one) and a fiscal conservative?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Broseidon on August 04, 2015, 07:11:12 PM

The Democratic Party?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 07:13:42 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on August 04, 2015, 07:11:12 PM

The Democratic Party?

Dems aren't fiscally conservative.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 08:21:20 PM

Love seeing the Republican party get food all over its pajamas before it shits the bed. :aah Roll over and die so we can make way for an actual Left party and the Dems can be the new Right like they should be. :rejoice

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2015, 08:28:22 PM

Quote from: studyguy on August 04, 2015, 06:26:04 PM

Quote

Analysts have warned that Trump, whose bomb-throwing persona has seemingly fueled his climb, stands to lose traction if he can't command the stage.

Steve Deace, who hosts a conservative radio talk show in the Hawkeye State, said: "His entire campaign is based on him being a blunt instrument" and if he holds back, "that would be the death knell for him."

Don't listen to them Trump! Do you  :neogaf

I really don't see Trump toning it down for the debate, considering that he's been operating at 110% for basically his entire public life.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2015, 08:37:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 05:13:20 PM

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

(http://i.imgur.com/QJ3sBXm.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 08:43:48 PM

So they prefer natural contraceptives aka pulling out?

are women who can't get pregnant considered as well?

the people want to know.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2015, 08:51:54 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 08:43:48 PM

So they prefer natural contraceptives aka pulling out?

are women who can't get pregnant considered as well?

the people want to know.

Pulling out in a sin in the eyes of the Lord (see: Onan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onan)), only the Rhythm Method is papally approved (see: Humanae vitae (http://Humanae vitae)).

Also, barren woman are probably cursed by God.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 08:58:42 PM

pulling out is damned, but they said "unnatural" contraceptives on that image.

Of course, the best contraceptive is abstinence. :smug

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2015, 09:03:39 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 08:58:42 PM

pulling out is damned, but they said "unnatural" contraceptives on that image.

Of course, the best contraceptive is abstinence. :smug

Abstinence is the only 100% effective form of birth control and the only the only Sex Ed curriculum 100% effective at getting approved by your local school board.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 04, 2015, 09:07:09 PM

Do not take the advice of the men in this video, kids. Don't "wrap it up tight". Just don't have sex. Problem solved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7T0N7WFCNY

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 04, 2015, 10:15:08 PM

Even in Catholic school health class our teachers called the rhythm method "Vatican roulette". :lol

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2015, 11:00:09 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 04, 2015, 10:15:08 PM

Even in Catholic school health class our teachers called the rhythm method "Vatican roulette". :lol

In my Freshman World History class in college, our prof was an old German lady that spent class time talking about the rhythm method and Catherine the Great having sex with horses. That was probably the most useful class I took.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2015, 11:19:39 PM

Quote

I have a different view than my brother. My dad is probably the most perfect man alive. So it’s very hard for me to be critical of him. In fact, I got a t-shirt that says, uh, at the Jeb swag store, that says, I’m the, uh, I’m the, uh, ‘My dad’s the greatest man alive. If you don’t like it, I’ll take you outside.’

The Jeb Swag Store sounds like an amazing place!

Quote

At the Jeb Bush campaign web site, there’s no link to the store. The store, at this point, only offers generic “JEB” paraphernalia.

Oh. :(

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Brehvolution on August 05, 2015, 09:09:05 AM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 04, 2015, 06:26:47 PM

That line-up.

 :dead

Guiness just announced the GOP will break the world record for most clowns on a stage at the same time.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2015, 09:39:36 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/litteral-barker-campbell-jade-helm

North Carolina is not one of the states where the U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" is taking place this summer. Nevertheless, three men from Gaston County were charged with conspiring to arm themselves with illegal explosive devices to combat what they saw as a potential military takeover, according to court documents unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Charlotte.

The documents alleged Walter Eugene Litteral, 50, Christopher James Barker, 42, and Christopher Todd Campbell, 30, stockpiled weapons and discussed how to build homemade explosive devices. Litteral also allegedly tried to purchase a firearm for Barker, who is a convicted felon.

A tipster first contacted the FBI in June after becoming concerned that Litteral and Campbell were "preparing to use lethal force against United States government forces in order to defend against the imposition of martial law or other infringements on their rights," according to an affidavit. The affidavit noted that the two men had discussed their belief that "Jade Helm 15" was actually a cover for the implementation of martial law with the tipster.

 :cac

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 05, 2015, 11:36:47 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2015, 08:37:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 05:13:20 PM

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

(http://i.imgur.com/QJ3sBXm.jpg)

...That's Ceberus from FFXI. Is that an actual poster from one of those kinds of people. wut

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 05, 2015, 12:20:24 PM

Quote from: studyguy on August 05, 2015, 11:36:47 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2015, 08:37:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 04, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 04, 2015, 05:13:20 PM

Real talk, I don't see why anti-abortionists have to cajole their morality on everyone else. Cigarettes are legal and guess what, I don't smoke. If you don't want abortions, don't get em. Why is it even an issue?

If someone truly believes embryos are morally equivalent to human beings, then they'd want to get the government to protect their lives like they would anyone else.

But it's pretty clear that the vast majority of antiabortion activists in the US don't feel this way, given how few would be willing to fully prosecute and punish the mothers for murder, and how strongly tied the movement has been to other restrictions on sexual behavior (ie birth control, homosexuality, sex toys, etc.).

(http://i.imgur.com/QJ3sBXm.jpg)

...That's Ceberus from FFXI. Is that an actual poster from one of those kinds of people. wut

Yes, it's from MLK's niece's thing.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Steve Contra on August 05, 2015, 04:36:57 PM

Senior officials for the Super PAC supporting Rand Paul's presidential bid were indicted on federal charges of conspiracy and falsifying campaign records, the Justice Department said Wednesday. (http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/05/politics/ron-paul-2012-campaign-officials-indicted-federal-charges/index.html)
(http://i.imgur.com/swnRdgI.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2015, 05:26:06 PM

This is an actual item from the Jeb Swag Store:

(http://i.imgur.com/m3XRp6l.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 05, 2015, 08:38:40 PM

3 weeks?! Jeb's campaign might be over by then!  :usacry

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2015, 08:54:56 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-trump-phone-call

The Post said anonymous sources familiar with Trump's side of the call described Clinton as being attentive and encouraging of Trump's desire to wade deeper into politics, though a Clinton source said a 2016 bid was not formally discussed.

GOAT troll from the master. :lawd

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2015, 09:38:00 PM

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/ann-coulter/2015/08/05/donald-trump-still-right-about-mexican-rapists

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2015, 09:42:39 PM

Started to write up a serious response to that, then saw the author was Ann Coulter. :yeshrug

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 02:32:17 AM

The debates are tomorrow brehs.
I'm actually excited to watch this shit.

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/giphymedia/media/QM3dgnvcdGtGw/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Brehvolution on August 06, 2015, 09:06:45 AM

Quote from: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 02:32:17 AM

The debates are tomorrow brehs.
I'm actually excited to watch this shit.

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2015, 09:15:34 AM

Video: Is this a 'demon' racing in front of Obama? (http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/video-is-this-a-demon-racing-in-front-of-obama/)

Quote

“My husband and I were watching this and I told him I saw a demon run by,” a concerned woman told WND.

“He didn’t believe until I rewound the video. Please take a look!”

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 06, 2015, 10:05:01 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2015, 09:42:39 PM

Started to write up a serious response to that, then saw the author was Ann Coulter. :yeshrug

Pretty sad state of affairs when she has to hitch her wagon to the Trump train to get attention now.


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/06/why-isnt-anyone-outraged-by-ann-coulter-anymore.html

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 11:01:36 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 06, 2015, 09:06:45 AM

Quote from: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 02:32:17 AM

The debates are tomorrow brehs.
I'm actually excited to watch this shit.

:kobeyuck

 :mynicca
Don't act like yall won't end up watching the highlight reels afterwards of whatever fuckery goes down.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2015, 11:24:40 AM

I'm sure y'all will make me know them, but I'm not going to seek it out. The U.S. pretends I don't exist and I try to return the favor.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2015, 02:35:54 PM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on August 06, 2015, 02:31:17 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 06, 2015, 09:15:34 AM

Video: Is this a 'demon' racing in front of Obama? (http://www.wnd.com/2015/08/video-is-this-a-demon-racing-in-front-of-obama/)

Quote

“My husband and I were watching this and I told him I saw a demon run by,” a concerned woman told WND.

“He didn’t believe until I rewound the video. Please take a look!”

Why is the first thing in this article a picture of Obama with a fly on his face? What is that supposed to mean?

Beelzebub. Longstanding far right bullshit about Obama being a harbinger of the anti Christ.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: VomKriege on August 06, 2015, 02:41:46 PM

Another variation of the badly compressed Youtube videos of leaders "shapeshifting" and "having lizard eyes".
There are people who do believe that.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on August 06, 2015, 05:16:51 PM

Was this posted?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html

Quote

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men.

Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.

That's pretty amazing if it actually triggered his campaign. Why would he think Trump would listen to the husband of the democratic frontrunner?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 06, 2015, 05:23:35 PM

is there a place i can watch this debate online

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 05:26:37 PM

Live blog of the loser debate:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/sad-sac-kids-table-debate-blogging

5:07 PM: The painful subtext of every question, even from the Foxbot questioners, seems to be 'You're really unpopular and your campaign is a joke, why are you even running?' Pretty hard to come back with a good answer on that.

5:09 PM: For the over 40 crowd, the debate stage here has a vague feeling of the 70s era Love Boat. Vaguely entertaining, but mostly 'Oh yeah, what ever happened to that guy.' Yeah, I'm looking at you George Pataki.

5:10 PM: Wow, question for Jim Gilmore is the most brutal yet. Basically "Jim Gilmore, why the F are you even running?" Not a bad question. Think I'm kidding? "You were the last person on stage to declare your candidacy. You ran for the white house once and lost. You ran for the senate one time and lost. You haven't held public office in 13 years. Similar question, is it time for new blood?"

5:20 PM: If you're not watching this debate you're missing nothing. The crushing weight of the irrelevance of the candidates overwhelms every word.

Sounds every bit as a amazing as everyone knew it would be!

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 05:27:08 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on August 06, 2015, 05:23:35 PM

is there a place i can watch this debate online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSQ5lTIQh18

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 05:35:18 PM

That live stream showed a picture of the audience. There's about 30 people in total. :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Steve Contra on August 06, 2015, 05:42:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/sUCqgRj.jpg)

Didn't know whether or not to post in the clickhole thread or here, that's how good this is :whew

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 05:44:35 PM

The loser debate keeps going to commercial. :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 06, 2015, 05:58:19 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 05:27:08 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on August 06, 2015, 05:23:35 PM

is there a place i can watch this debate online

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSQ5lTIQh18

just died :stahp

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 05:59:30 PM

:fbm

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 06, 2015, 06:08:23 PM

http://www.playlivenew.com/2010/07/watch-fox-news-live/

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: kingkitty on August 06, 2015, 08:47:10 PM

i pray for a meltdown.

or at least something awkward. please make this shit worth it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: BrokenVerses on August 06, 2015, 09:01:43 PM

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 09:21:10 PM

Oh my god these questions are fucking brutal and the answers are horrendous.
 :neogaf

Defunding Planned Parenthood? No, that's not far enough!

Woman get raped and she can have an abortion

Fuck you, you're having that bum and we're not paying for it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 09:21:56 PM

Audio feed with people making fun of the answers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UCEu06Zug4

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 09:26:03 PM

Trump :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 09:26:33 PM

Trump we have it on record that you're a xenophobic lizard man who burns immigrants and eats babies, how do you respond?

:yeshrug

You're all stupid brehs

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: tiesto on August 06, 2015, 09:28:36 PM

Man, I hope Trump gets the nod, just for the hilarity that'll ensue...

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 09:30:16 PM

Fox is trying to merk this dude hard tho  :lol
Give him a question and don't let him slide like the rest, then force him to dance till it cuts to commercials.

STAY ALIVE TRUMP
 :gun

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 09:33:12 PM

Kasich wins by not being completely, foaming-at-the-mouth insane.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: tiesto on August 06, 2015, 09:36:37 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 09:33:12 PM

Kasich wins by not being completely, foaming-at-the-mouth insane.

Yeah, he seems somewhat decent, but if he got the nod, he'd end up moving to the nutjob side of the right like all of the GOP nominees eventually do.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 09:42:14 PM

Is Ben Carson even there? I got in here like 5m late

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 09:43:07 PM

Quote from: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 09:42:14 PM

Is Ben Carson even there? I got in here like 5m late

Somewhere, I guess. He has virtually no presence, though.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 09:45:37 PM

I wasn't sure I was going to get to talk again.

 :dead

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2015, 09:51:37 PM

Kasich is a shitbird and tbh it's pretty embarrassing that I have to say that itt as a reminder.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 09:52:37 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 06, 2015, 09:51:37 PM

Kasich is a shitbird and tbh it's pretty embarrassing that I have to say that itt as a reminder.

Don't think anyone here really wants a President Kasich, just a little damning with faint praise.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 10:14:36 PM

Trump is seriously killing this thing. Every time he speaks, he sucks all the air out of the room.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 10:16:27 PM

He made it! Rick Perry made it! :rofl

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2015, 10:17:37 PM

Aww, live feed got shut down by Fox. :fbm

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 06, 2015, 10:17:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqafQVNkyN4&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on August 06, 2015, 10:23:49 PM

http://www.foxnewsdebate.com/landing/who-is-currently-winning-the-debate/

(http://i.imgur.com/82dOPS6.png)

Sounds about right. Just amazing how he actually tried to spin being bankrupt 4 times and hearing a rumor from border minutemen as experience to fix America's debt and Mexi-rape problem.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 10:26:33 PM

Dude called politicians stupid, disparaged the female host immediately out the door and  has been taking shots all night... he's still on fire.

Also rape exceptions for abortions is a bad thing to these dudes?
 :kobeyuck

I have gay friends just got dropped.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on August 06, 2015, 10:34:10 PM

It's like he knew he was walking into an ambush and came wearing teflon, and then he's just :bolo the whole time. It is really disturbing but I laugh.

And then he calls himself a Reagan for flip-flopping, which is better than another Bush that gave us Obama amirite (and people are loving this shit).

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 10:35:57 PM

They dipped out of racial issues with the quickness  :-\
Straight Outta Compton was the first commercial up after that question too
 :neogaf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on August 06, 2015, 10:42:23 PM

Aww. Fox killed the Sky News stream.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: tiesto on August 06, 2015, 10:42:27 PM

I'm an awkward, nerdy, white, weeaboo, software developer, and even I have more charisma than Ben Carson...

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 10:44:41 PM

Kill people and break things. MURICA
 :usacry

Honestly Huckabee's fervor for that kind of shit is pretty terrifying. Also that jab at gay/trans tho

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: nachobro on August 06, 2015, 10:48:58 PM

 :bow Trump :bow2

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 06, 2015, 10:50:14 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLxgk1bUEAEjvdE.jpg)

They got god brehs
 :preach

ANY

WORD

FROM

GOD

 :what

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: nachobro on August 06, 2015, 10:57:53 PM

Ted Cruz  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: FatalT on August 06, 2015, 11:07:55 PM

Well that was a good time.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: fistfulofmetal on August 06, 2015, 11:09:44 PM

Listening to Ted Cruz describe his first day in office sounds like this essentially:

(http://i.imgur.com/3pRUMa7.jpg)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 06, 2015, 11:13:38 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/7Jiktgy.png)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: VomKriege on August 06, 2015, 11:14:39 PM

Could Trump be more than just the usual kooky ephemeral frontrunners who trip themselves a few weeks after having grabbed attention ?
If so it's very worrying for the state of the electorate. I guess that the tried and tested Bush name will win the day at the end as the respectable candidate, but the moderate position will have veered off hard in la-la land by that point.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 06, 2015, 11:23:15 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 06, 2015, 11:14:39 PM

If so it's very worrying for the state of the electorate. I guess that the tried and tested Bush name will win the day at the end as the respectable candidate, but the moderate position will have veered off hard in la-la land by that point.

It's what happened in California from ~1978 to 2012, but writ large and in an institution that doesn't have any direct democracy to counteract the cynical politicking. (In California we eventually broke the back of white minority rule at the state level by passing a referendum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_elections,_November_2010#Proposition_25).) Shit's not funny, it stopped being funny around the time the GOP tried to play chicken with the debt ceiling and plunging the world into god only knows what kind of chaos. And these people only win more elections too.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Barry Egan on August 06, 2015, 11:25:15 PM

Fox News has a Luntz voter panel that has revolted against Trump.  They've just now discovered that he is a narcissist without any specific ideas on how to run the country. 

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2015, 11:30:08 PM

Seemed pretty clear the fix was in on Trump. If I was a conspiracy theorist I'd question the booing he got during some of his answers.

Kasich, Christie, and Rubio did the best IMO. Gotta dap Christie for the smooth, Clinton esque 911 hugs retort to Paul lol. That shit made me bust out laughing, but I can just imagine a republican (or Benji :uguu) slow clapping and saluting the tv screen.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Rman on August 07, 2015, 12:44:13 AM

Trump is real, brehs.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 07, 2015, 01:17:22 AM

Quote from: Rman on August 07, 2015, 12:44:13 AM

Trump is real, brehs.

May you live in interesting times, brehs

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 01:18:16 AM

What a debate. Just about everything uttered, besides Rand Paul's take on government surveillance runs contrary to my own.

I knew I wasn't conservative, but tonight just really drilled it in. NOTHING said was something  I agreed with. Just insanity.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: brawndolicious on August 07, 2015, 01:19:26 AM

I have to admit I'm a little scared of him. Like 2004 flashbacks. That was the first time I realized a lot of people disagree with me.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Kara on August 07, 2015, 01:32:11 AM

Quote

Puerto Rico defaulted on a $58 million bond payment on Monday, a risky move that seemed to intensify the pressure on creditors for broader debt renegotiation, but might also make future borrowing far more difficult.

Unlike the Greek sovereign debt, many of Puerto Rico’s bonds have ended up in the hands of Main Street investors on the United States mainland, people who invested in mutual funds without checking to see what was in the funds’ portfolios. Mutual funds bought them because when first issued they had investment-grade ratings and paid above-average yields.

While Puerto Rico made some other bond payments that were due on Monday, attention in the financial markets was focused on the decision to skip the $58 million in payments due on about 20 so-called moral obligation bonds. Those bonds were issued by a subsidiary of the Government Development Bank for a variety of projects — including school construction and the creation of landfills.
 
The government bank initially financed the projects, then refinanced them through its subsidiary, the Public Finance Corporation. By tapping the municipal bond market in that way, the bank removed the liabilities from its own balance sheet.

Although this particular type of bond does not carry with it a legal requirement for repayment in the absence of a budget appropriation, market experts said Puerto Rico’s decision not to pay amounted to a default and left them perplexed about the strategy of paying some bonds while letting others lapse.

 :american

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 07, 2015, 01:59:33 AM

I haven't a clue why so many people are surprised at the misogyny, the fuck did you expect?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 07, 2015, 02:09:41 AM

Think about it... he's the perfect candidate. Treats women like property and starts insane wars in the desert. Boom.

(http://i.imgur.com/TAUPtR5.jpg?1)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 07, 2015, 02:12:36 AM

Got a rapist, a self-hating woman, self-hating minorities and a bunch of people who are all too happy to ensure that women suffer.

The fuck is wrong with people.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 09:10:10 AM

One of the best things about Trump jumping into the election is how thoroughly it has deflated Ted Cruz's campaign.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Brehvolution on August 07, 2015, 10:17:07 AM

I watched bit's and pieces but Trump exposes most of the rest of the field as petty hucksters. He can think on his feet and can carry a conversation while the rest only have their canned, memorized talking points.

I bet Calgary Cruz's dad thinks God will condemn Trump for making his boy look stupid. :letsfukk is the face of stupid.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 07, 2015, 10:18:29 AM

I'm glad I didn't watch that shit.  Do people really want Trump as President?  wtf

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2015, 10:45:15 AM

"You're having a hard time tonight"

Amazing :lol

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 10:58:10 AM

First debate in a nutshell:

Quote

Foxbots to Trump: Are you not a fraud, a cretin and a scoundrel.

Trump: I'm very rich. Fuck yourself. I have no time for your nonsense.

Crowd: Cheers wildly.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Brehvolution on August 07, 2015, 11:16:53 AM

Taking Luntz to the woodshed :lawd
(http://i.imgur.com/fE2QXyd.png)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 11:24:58 AM

Fox is starting to get desperate, I think. The Trump experiment was fun for a while, but now it's starting to become a problem. They'd really like to bump him out of the top 10 in favor of Carly Fiorina. But launching attacks like this against him will probably only harden his own resolve and play directly into his narrative as being the one guy who can shake things up in the establishment. In other words, he's not going anywhere anytime soon.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 11:27:57 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/todd-courser-cindy-gamra-michigan

Secret audio recordings made public Friday by the Detroit News revealed a tea party lawmaker in Michigan tried to fake a gay sex scandal with a male prostitute in order to cover up his affair with a married, female tea party state lawmaker.

The newspaper reported that state Rep. Todd Courser (R) asked an aide to send an anonymous email to GOP activists alleging that Courser had been spotted having sex with a male prostitute "behind a Lansing night club."

The ruse was reportedly designed to create false accusations that were so over the top Courser's affair with fellow freshman lawmaker Rep. Cindy Gamrat (R) would seem "mild by comparison," according to the paper.

:rofl

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 07, 2015, 11:35:46 AM

You can't stump the trump.
 :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)

At work this morning and the old ass white dudes are gassed up about Trump in a completely non ironic way. They're talking up how he presented the truth about money being the real driver for political motivations and how he could put any of the people on the stage in his pocket with enough of it. Also Huckabee being right about our army being too soft these days.

 :shaq2

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Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 12:16:19 PM

Why does Fox want to distance itself from Trump? He is their own creation. All the fear tactics, all the racism and misogyny, this is what they created. Why shy away from the extremism they helped birth?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2015, 12:19:53 PM

What ya gonna do when Trumpmania runs wild on you?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 12:27:02 PM

:yeshrug

Hard to empathize :jawalrus

Out of all of those candidates, I can't imagine any of them being actual candidates beyond possibly Chris Christie or Rubio.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 07, 2015, 12:27:02 PM

Chris Christie

:heh

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 12:37:45 PM

Heard an idea he's actual a dem trojan horse and doing this to destroy the republican party :aah :heh

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Himu on August 07, 2015, 12:39:00 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 12:30:43 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 07, 2015, 12:27:02 PM

Chris Christie

:heh

He did good last night. Did you see the way he flipped that surveillance issue back into 9/11 wah wah? Dude pimped that audience and old cacs with that patriotism shit like a pro.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: studyguy on August 07, 2015, 01:16:18 PM

I have to hand it to him, dude was swinging. Hugging Hillary brehs, might as well hugged the devil  :neogaf

Actually did anyone NOT take a shot at another candidate on that stage? Fox alone was getting verbally slapped by Carson and Trump.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: VomKriege on August 08, 2015, 05:53:35 AM

Be all high horse while promoting show over substance, brehs
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/camille-paglia-john-kasich-won-813657

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Brehvolution on August 08, 2015, 03:12:05 PM

Seeing Erickson getting eviscerated for uninviting Trump is just the beginning. I've seen it said elsewhere that making disparaging remarks against a women doesn't hurt you in conservative politics. The gop elite don't like Trump because, unlike the rest of the field, they can't control him or his narrative. He is not their puppet. It's going to be interesting to see how much fox has Trump on now.  Fox created this train and now it's trying to knock it off the tracks.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2015, 03:27:31 PM

Quote

“The guy (Erick Erickson) who made the decision about RedState called Supreme Court Justice David Souter a ‘goat [expletive] child molester’ and First Lady Michelle Obama a ‘Marxist Harpy,'” Trump said. “He was forced to make a humbling apology. Also, not only is Erick a total loser, he has a history of supporting establishment losers in failed campaigns so it is an honor to be uninvited from his event.”

He's not wrong.  :obama

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2015, 03:30:24 PM

CNN

Quote

Breaking News
Donald Trump's top political adviser, Roger Stone, is out. The campaign says it fired him; other reports say Stone quit.

can he last until January?

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2015, 03:33:16 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/NhXPB70.png)

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2015, 03:49:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2015, 03:30:24 PM

CNN

Quote

Breaking News
Donald Trump's top political adviser, Roger Stone, is out. The campaign says it fired him; other reports say Stone quit.

can he last until January?

Yes, because Roger Stone has already been replaced by the top political mind of our time: Donald Trump.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 08, 2015, 05:29:53 PM

Fox News really hates Donald Trump, which probably endears him to the GOP base (I think people are getting tired of traditional media in general, including Fox News).  I'm guessing his tweet about the Koch brothers is what did it.  If Trump wasn't around, you could tell that everyone was coalescing around Jeb, which is a dumb idea because a Bush can't get elected again until George Prescott Bush makes his attempt a decade from now.

Deep down, I don't think Donald Trump wants the nomination, is surprised at the reactions he's getting, and is just rolling with it.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 08, 2015, 07:33:39 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on August 08, 2015, 05:52:44 PM

I'm really hoping the Megyn Kelly thing doesn't sink his campaign. The next round of polls will be critical.

Fox wants it to but other republicans say just as shitty things about women.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Trent Dole on August 08, 2015, 08:18:48 PM

"Mr. Trump, do you hate Women, Minorities, and POWs?"
(http://i.imgur.com/NhXPB70.png)Yes, and I'm a shitty businessman too!
*thunderous applause*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XflCQdzOuoY

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 08, 2015, 10:44:54 PM

Trump vs. Fox is pretty much the best gift yet to come out of this slow motion car wreck that is the 2016 GOP campaign. Guys, Fox News could lose out on this (does a happy dance).

This is like all those shitty/awesome action movies where some disgraced/haunted/highly deadly operative is released from confinement in order to combat a greater threat.

Quote from: a bunker, deep inside of the Jade Helm planning room

"Damnnit, I know we can't trust him, and he's dangerous, very dangerous! But we've tried everything else and he just might be able to finally loosen some of Fox's stranglehold on Republican politics."

"But sir, what he if that crazy bastard actually does it? He wins the nomination and after reducing the party and their media apparatus to smoking ruin, he'll come after us. What then?"

"Don't worry, we've outfitted him with a kill-switch in case the impossible does in fact occur."

"That being?"

"The demographic impossibility of him winning the presidency."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2015, 10:47:37 PM

Trump is basically Hulk. He's incredibly powerful and can do a huge amount of damage to the opposition if pointed in the right direction, but invariably he loses control and starts tearing things up at random.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2015, 10:55:17 PM

Quote

Stone: “Donald, stop with the Megyn Kelly shit. It’s fucking crazy. It’s killing us.”

Trump: “What do you mean? I won the debate. People loved it.”

Stone: “You didn’t win the debate.”

Trump: “Yes I did. Look at the polling. Look at Drudge.”

Stone: “The Drudge Report poll isn’t a scientific poll. You won’t give me the money to pay for a scientific poll. And you’re off-message.”

Trump: “There are other polls.”

Stone: “Those are bullshit polls, Donald. They’re not scientific polls. We need to run a professional campaign and talk about what people really care about.”

Trump: “We’re winning.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/sources-roger-stone-quit-wasnt-fired-by-donald-trump-in-campaign-shakeup-121177.html#ixzz3iHakGym5

ffffuuuu :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 08, 2015, 11:00:27 PM

Half this country doesn't vote with any regularity, I wouldn't count on demographic faits accomplis when a populist who conspicuously clowns the GOP's Doctrinaire 3000 machine is on the scene.

Like I said awhile back, I have awful flashbacks to the :anhuld years rn and he was at least tempered by California's morass of a lawmaking process instead of the fucking lunatics we have in Washington.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 08, 2015, 11:02:34 PM

Or, he's doing this all on purpose.

At this moment there are multiple routes he could possibly be taking:

1. He's a democrat Trojan horse and is destroying the GOP *and* Fox News from within by forcing conservatives to rally to his cause and ultimately make them look bad, while having GOP and FOX shuffle to try and tell the people the candidate THEY want which guarantees Republicans will not win the presidency. Taint the food source and people won't come.

2. He's just doing whatever and is going to one up one crazy statement after crazy statement because it gets him more attention and he has no idea what he's doing.

3. He's not Hulk, he's Loki, and really is not tied to any actual partisan platform (I.e. Not a dem Trojan horse, but not an actual republican either) and is doing whatever, for the pure chaos of it, willingly, to make a joke of the presidential elections because HE CAN.

4. This is his actual 100% attempt at actually running running for president.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 08, 2015, 11:05:19 PM

if putting Trump on the ticket doesn't drive out the Dem vote like Jaws to people from Amity named Brody then I'll eat my hat.

and then start seriously figuring out my escape plan for when America becomes a fully owned subsidiary of some nefarious multi-national. My best case scenario for President Trump is that he speeds up the adoption of a cyberpunk present.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2015, 11:16:23 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 08, 2015, 11:05:19 PM

My best case scenario for President Trump is that he speeds up the adoption of a cyberpunk present.

Nah dude, we're definitely going full-on Mad Max.

"WHO KILLED THE WORLD??"

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: Oblivion on August 09, 2015, 12:07:33 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2015, 09:10:10 AM

One of the best things about Trump jumping into the election is how thoroughly it has deflated Ted Cruz's campaign.

THIS.

I definitely thought the biggest loser of the night was Cruz. Dude came off looking helpless and desperate. He tried his hardest to ooze out all the bile he could possibly muster to attack Obama, and it all fell flat. The base that fell in love with him left him for a younger, sexier (read: older, and douchier) candidate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2015, 12:10:17 AM

Republicans couldn't support a Latino-Canadian stealing all our good American jobs, like talking bad about immigrants.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 09, 2015, 01:53:15 AM

I'm scared of him, I've never seen a Ross Perot since my pubes existed. But I had all my pubes when Bush got reelected so I'm more worried about the "what if?" scenarios than rejoicing about how likely it is for him to fail.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barry Egan on August 09, 2015, 01:12:13 PM

https://twitter.com/ianbremmer/status/630395030235140097

LOL

Quote

Post-Debate Poll (NBC)
Trump 23%
Cruz 13%
Carson 11%
Fiorina 8%
Rubio 8%
Bush 7%
Walker 7%

LOL

Koch Bros. am cry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2015, 01:13:45 PM

How is Cruz 13%? :what

He did clearly the WORST. :rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barry Egan on August 09, 2015, 01:18:58 PM

Rand did the worst imo.  Cruz said some idiotic things but was full of the bile that the GOP base craves.  Also he's been very warm to Trump since he began his run. 

Basically what I'm saying is Trump/Cruz 2016. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2015, 01:51:52 PM

I assumed Cruz would suffer simply because he didn't have much time to speak.

Still betting on Walker being the nominee. I could see Walker, Cruz, and Rubio lasting the longest.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 09, 2015, 03:34:52 PM

How the fuck does Ben Carson have 11%

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2015, 03:37:40 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on August 09, 2015, 03:34:52 PM

How the fuck does Ben Carson have 11%

White people love it when a black person says "let's talk move beyond race" because it helps them solidify their convictions and biases as they smile, agreeing,"See? This one gets it." :)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 09, 2015, 04:39:02 PM

How can this be fixed? Don't see Germany erasing the atrocities of WWII. America is shameful and cowardly.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/ap-u.s.-history-course-changes-tone-on-race-500804675950?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 09, 2015, 04:47:27 PM

I dunno why people think Trump is some kind of unique individual. He's able to speak absolute shit at everybody because he can buy his own campaign. Any one of us would basically have to kowtow to corporate sponsorship and not say how we really feel.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 09, 2015, 04:50:01 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 09, 2015, 04:39:02 PM

How can this be fixed? Don't see Germany erasing the atrocities of WWII. America is shameful and cowardly.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/ap-u.s.-history-course-changes-tone-on-race-500804675950?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

Denazification in West Germany (and unified Germany after that) was a joke.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 09, 2015, 04:52:14 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 09, 2015, 04:39:02 PM

How can this be fixed? Don't see Germany erasing the atrocities of WWII. America is shameful and cowardly.

http://www.msnbc.com/weekends-with-alex-witt/watch/ap-u.s.-history-course-changes-tone-on-race-500804675950?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

Eh anti-semitism in Europe was and still is a huge problem. Plus you have the rise of holocaust denial. I wouldn't be so quick to shit on America vis-a-vis Europe. They got their own problems like anti-roma sentiments, anti-semitism as i mentioned and a whole heaping bowl of bullshit thanks to colonialism.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: VomKriege on August 09, 2015, 06:41:36 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 09, 2015, 04:47:27 PM

I dunno why people think Trump is some kind of unique individual. He's able to speak absolute shit at everybody because he can buy his own campaign. Any one of us would basically have to kowtow to corporate sponsorship and not say how we really feel.

Well you answered your own question there : He can buy his campaign and that makes him pretty unique.
Too bad this liberty of tone is used to peddle low brow xenophobic and sexist drivel.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Sausage on August 09, 2015, 08:00:48 PM

Cruz did bad on Thursday? I was always under the impression that he was a master debator.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 09, 2015, 09:49:59 PM

I am pretty sure this election campaign is being run by spambots

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2015, 08:20:01 AM

Quote from: Sausage on August 09, 2015, 08:00:48 PM

Cruz did bad on Thursday? I was always under the impression that he was a master debator.

He didn't do bad, he didn't get much time to make his case due to the Trump focus.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: T-Short on August 10, 2015, 09:08:14 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/opinion/the-pentagons-dangerous-views-on-the-wartime-press.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/10/opinion/the-pentagons-dangerous-views-on-the-wartime-press.html?action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=opinion-c-col-left-region&region=opinion-c-col-left-region&WT.nav=opinion-c-col-left-region&_r=0)

Quote

The Defense Department earlier this summer released a comprehensive manual outlining its interpretation of the law of war. The 1,176-page document, the first of its kind, includes guidelines on the treatment of journalists covering armed conflicts that would make their work more dangerous, cumbersome and subject to censorship. Those should be repealed immediately.

Journalists, the manual says, are generally regarded as civilians, but may in some instances be deemed “unprivileged belligerents,” a legal term that applies to fighters that are afforded fewer protections than the declared combatants in a war. In some instances, the document says, “the relaying of information (such as providing information of immediate use in combat operations) could constitute taking a direct part in hostilities.”

 :usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2015, 01:25:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

 :idont

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 10, 2015, 04:22:40 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rep-todd-courser-michigan-lawmaker-male-prostitute-story-i-wont-resign/

I don't quite understand how lying about being gay would be preferable to lying about adultery. Moreover how this dude is out here saying he's still okay to hold his position after the fact.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2015, 04:28:38 PM

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Until Thursday’s GOP debate, Fox News Chairman Roger Ailes and Donald Trump had been executing one of the most successful examples of media synergy in recent memory. But the Trump–Ailes alliance — which helped generate a record debate audience of 24 million — has been in tatters ever since Fox's debate moderators peppered Trump with critical questions on stage in Cleveland. From the moment Trump faced reporters in the post-debate “Spin Room," he’s been attacking the network's treatment of him, with special venom reserved for Megyn Kelly.

Now, it appears both sides want peace. This morning, Trump tweeted that Ailes called to assure him that Fox will cover him “fairly” going forward. According to two high-level Fox sources, Ailes's diplomacy was the result of increasing concern inside Fox News that Trump could damage the network. Immediately following Thursday's debate, Fox was deluged with pro-Trump emails. The chatter on Twitter was equally in Trump’s favor. “In the beginning, virtually 100-percent of the emails were against Megyn Kelly,” one Fox source, who was briefed on the situation told me. “Roger was not happy. Most of the Fox viewers were taking Trump’s side.”

Things got worse for Ailes over the weekend. In a phone conversation, Trump told Sean Hannity that “he was never doing Fox again,” according to one person with knowledge of the call. The anti-Kelly emails, and threat of a boycott by Trump, seems to have pushed Ailes to diffuse the war. One Fox personality told me that Fox producers gave instructions to tell in-house talent not to bring up Trump’s controversial comments that Kelly had “blood coming out of her wherever" during the debate. According to one count, Fox only aired Trump’s comment once since Friday, while CNN mentioned it at least 50 times.

In recent days, Ailes got a glimpse of what a Trumpless Fox News would look like. On Sunday, Trump called in to the four other public affairs shows; this morning he gave interviews to Today and Morning Joe. Inside Fox, this was alarming. “This thing with Megyn got way ahead of Roger and bigger than he must have thought,” one Fox personality said. “Roger wants this to blow over,” another source added. “He’s upset that conservatives are mad at Fox.” Online, Ailes also took flack. Both The Drudge Report and Breitbart News carried pro-Trump headlines. 

Whatever Ailes said to Trump in their phone call earlier, it seems to have worked. Trump has agreed to interviews on Fox & Friends and Hannity tomorrow.

Irena Briganti, a Fox spokesperson, did not return a call for comment. The Trump campaign declined to comment.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/08/donald-trump-and-roger-ailes-make-up-for-now.html

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2015, 04:30:27 PM

Run a network that can be damaged by what Donald Trump thinks about you, brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2015, 04:45:53 PM

Cater to the whims of the Frankenstein's monster man-child you helped create, brehs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2015, 11:11:23 PM

We have our first casualty of the race.

(http://i.imgur.com/uU6rRF2.png)

Rick Perry's glasses are still looking for a VP nom, tho.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 12:07:12 AM

Wow. I thought he'd at least get some PAC money to last through Iowa/NH.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 12:16:01 AM

I'm surprised that anyone from the loser debate other than Carly Fiorina is still bothering to continue their campaign.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2015, 12:55:14 AM

RIPerry

(http://i.imgur.com/1oO2o0E.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 11, 2015, 10:04:28 AM

I'm surprised anyone would work for Perry's campaign. :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2015, 10:05:12 AM

I would like to take this time to point out I fucking hate The Don and will vote for a liberal before I ever voted for him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2015, 10:14:31 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2015, 10:05:12 AM

I would like to take this time to point out I fucking hate The Don and will vote for a liberal before I ever voted for him.

Man I hope we get to hold you to that next November

:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2015, 10:22:18 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2015, 10:14:31 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2015, 10:05:12 AM

I would like to take this time to point out I fucking hate The Don and will vote for a liberal before I ever voted for him.

Man I hope we get to hold you to that next November

:heh

I'll take a goddamn selfie. Trust me that dude is nothing but trouble for minorities.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 10:18:07 AM

There really does need to be a unified front against this fake and corrupt blowhard, but the news organizations are doing two things they love doing by extending this trainwreck - making money and helping provide cover for Democrats they want to win.

Fox News, Limbaugh, and Breitbart are doing more to prop up Trump than any "liberal" news outfit. :umad

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2015, 10:47:17 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 11, 2015, 10:04:28 AM

I'm surprised anyone would work for Perry's campaign. :kobeyuck

A (bro)job's a job in Obama's America.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 11, 2015, 11:15:04 AM

My local congressman, Tom Reed, said he thinks and he hopes the Jeb gets the nomination. Another Bush :neogaf

I just can't with these fucking clowns.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 11:46:25 AM

Trump won't win one primary or caucus. I'd bet a brojob on that. I think he'll drop out before Super Tuesday (sometime in March 2016).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2015, 11:59:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 11:46:25 AM

Trump won't win one primary or caucus. I'd bet a brojob on that. I think he'll drop out before Super Tuesday (sometime in March 2016).

God I hope so but america is so fucked up right now you never know.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 12:07:31 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 11:44:07 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 10:35:12 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 10:18:07 AM

There really does need to be a unified front against this fake and corrupt blowhard, but the news organizations are doing two things they love doing by extending this trainwreck - making money and helping provide cover for Democrats they want to win.

Fox News, Limbaugh, and Breitbart are doing more to prop up Trump than any "liberal" news outfit. :umad

This the same Fox News that held him accountable for his own stupid words at the debate?  Cause they sure as shit did that. 

He didn't do himself any favors for going after them as he did, either, unless he's under the delusion that any other debate venue is going to be more supportive of his hot air and vapid denials.

I guess you missed the latest news that Roger Ailes personally called Trump to apologize and let him know they'd "treat him fairly" from now on. :hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 12:11:50 PM

The dudes calling for Trump to apologize are just as bad.
Pots, kettles, etc

http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2015/08/fox_and_trump_people_who_live_in_crass_houses_shou.html#incart_river

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Erick Erickson of the RedState blog responded to Trump's comments by rescinding an invitation for Trump to talk at the group's confab in Atlanta over the weekend. He justified Trump's exclusion by writing that "there are even lines blunt talkers and unprofessional politicians should not cross."

It's hard to imagine just where those lines could be located when Erickson himself Tweeted  about some feminists who complained about a Super Bowl commercial, "Wow. That's what being too ugly to get a date does to your brain."

 :hitler

Also poor Perry.
I guess those glasses really didn't do much for him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 12:24:54 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 12:13:38 PM

Doesn't change anything I said above.

But it should. Trump is Ailes's monster and the monster is now beyond its creator's control. Megyn Kelley did her absolute best to put him down, but couldn't do it, and now Ailes is too afraid to let her or anybody else try again, lest he fall under the monster's baleful glare himself.

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he was a raging jackass that the crowd hated.

Yeah, sorry, that's completely false. The crowd ate it up and the polls since then reflect that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 12:35:04 PM

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Well see, you say that, but it doesn't.

Unless you're under some delusion CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, et al are going to also play nice because Ailes caved and wants the money from ratings from Trump antics?

Are you under the impression that pointed question from the "liberal media" are going to damage Trump's standing with hardline conservatives? Face it, you guys have to kill Trump yourselves, don't depend on us liberals to do it for you.

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So you didn't watch the debate and you're telling someone who did what happened?  Awesome, cool story bro.  Make up some more things while you're at it.

I did watch it. A few of his lines got some boos, and just as many got thunderous applause. But that's beside the point. If he really did that badly, his poll numbers would be caving right now, but they're not. They're either holding where they were or even ticking up a bit. Trump's not going anywhere anytime soon short of him just completely losing interest in the election.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 12:51:40 PM

I just wanna say that, so far, Trump's campaign has been the greatest gift I could ever ask for. :obama

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 12:54:43 PM

Denying Trumps success...

 :wtf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2015, 01:25:10 PM

(http://www.iywib.com/donald_trump_fag.jpg)

The hero PD and I deserve.....

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: VomKriege on August 11, 2015, 02:31:28 PM

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/630831040592936960

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media-preview/snf:630827811289194497/ePIHl4Ju.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 02:35:40 PM

 :mindblown

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: VomKriege on August 11, 2015, 02:41:50 PM

Also, I clicked by accident on the "click here (to send your email to Marco Rubio for President)" on that, so my SO is now in Rubio's listing.

She's gonna be  :bolo on me for this L  :'( .

EDIT : You can only unsubscribe at the bottom of one of the campaign emails, like spam.  :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 02:44:15 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 11, 2015, 02:41:50 PM

Also, I clicked by accident on the "click here (to send your email to Marco Rubio for President)" on that, so my SO is now in Rubio's listing.

She's gonna be  :bolo on me for this L  :'( .

The good news is you found a relatively harmless way of fucking with someone.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2015, 03:06:44 PM

omg cute kitteh :3

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:08:34 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 11, 2015, 02:31:28 PM

https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/630831040592936960

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media-preview/snf:630827811289194497/ePIHl4Ju.png)

I find the confidence interesting. The GOP really seems to think the Planned Parenthood videos are going to buy them room to move to the right on abortion, nationally. They won some elections in 2014 despite far right rhetoric on abortion, perhaps they think that's "proof" it'll work in 2016. Against a woman....

Seems like Rubio threw his general election chances in the bushes to win the primary IMO.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 03:12:43 PM

Wasn't the federal funding for PP directed to contraception/women's health anyway?
I thought abortion assistance was all privately funded by PP or at least an incredibly small part of the total funds allocated.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 03:14:51 PM

There are no federal funds to PP for abortion and Obama even made that concession all over again for the ACA.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:18:55 PM

If Obama couldn't stand up to Bart Stupak how can he stand up to Khamenei.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2015, 03:18:58 PM

We need to stop taking JD seriously, if met with a calm salient point he just ignores it in favor of playing the name calling game :trash

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 03:24:43 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 03:19:54 PM

Quote from: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 03:12:43 PM

Wasn't the federal funding for PP directed to contraception/women's health anyway?
I thought abortion assistance was all privately funded by PP or at least an incredibly small part of it.

Are you familiar with the concept of fungibility?

The whole thing about another federal dollar in the PP pocket is a dollar left on the table for abortion?
Is that the whole crux of the argument?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2015, 03:25:15 PM

Restricted net assets are a nonprofit accounting sleight of hand.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:28:10 PM

eagerly awaiting videos of a PP accountant explaining that
:lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2015, 03:29:30 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 03:21:46 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2015, 03:18:58 PM

We need to stop taking JD seriously, if met with a calm salient point he just ignores it in favor of playing the name calling game :trash

Aren't you the guy who doesn't know the difference between an organism and the content of your own orgasms?

Did you expect for me to spend much time on you after that?  If so, lulz.

If you thought I seriously thought my ejaculate was murder and I wasn't just mocking your murder tone, the point sailed far above your head.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2015, 03:34:30 PM

I wish human life could become a cat.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 03:35:45 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2015, 03:34:30 PM

I wish human life could become a cat.

Who says it can't.

(http://www.natyu.com/wpp/wp-content/uploads/stories/strangest/cat-man-%2001.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:35:50 PM

I'd rather abort a human than a cat.

Title: Re: OT of American Politics - Perfect Hair Forever
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2015, 03:43:10 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 04, 2015, 05:00:30 PM

Your argument of non-aggression seems short sighted to me. In my view it's highly irresponsible to create a situation in which more unwanted children are carried to term without any means for them to be cared for, and that morally it creates more human suffering than terminating a life before it suffers and strains the resources of society, statistically having a higher chance of turning to a life crime and creating even more suffering.

JD plz respond -- do you see the individual as above the whole?

I understand the difference and am totally okay with killing unconscious, partially formed humans to better humanity.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 03:43:31 PM

Studyguy no!!!!!  Pull out before we have to abort this whole thread.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2015, 03:44:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:28:10 PM

eagerly awaiting videos of a PP accountant explaining that
:lawd

I'll go undercover, get some of those sweet Breitbart dollars and escape to Rio de Janeiro where everyone wears white pants without exception. :preach

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:48:23 PM

I guess Mandark is on injured reserve today because studyguy is starting for him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 03:59:00 PM

Contract killing. lol.

More like self-defense.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 04:01:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:48:23 PM

I guess Mandark is on injured reserve today because studyguy is starting for him.

Feel like you guys are grossly overestimating my investment in this discussion.
Tapped out at a joke of PP being a modern day Houdini, making our tax dollars and babies disappear.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2015, 04:11:36 PM

So it boils down to you thinking the rights of the unborn trump the needs and limitations of society. You're more concerned with your personal moral stances than the stability and longevity of the whole. That's short sighted and small thinking, but okay. I see no further reason to engage you on this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2015, 04:15:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 03:48:23 PM

I guess Mandark is on injured reserve today because studyguy is starting for him.

Mandark pulled out early and is now on trial for murder in Libertarian Court.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 04:17:35 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 04:03:21 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 03:59:00 PM

Contract killing. lol.

More like self-defense.

I have seen others make this argument.  They were dumbasses, too.

By all means, try to explain how killing someone objectively helpless and innocent, physically incapable of attacking anyone, can be "self-defense."

Let me guess, "they was coming right fer us?"

I guess in your world women don't die in childbirth.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 04:26:05 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 04:22:30 PM

And in your completely warped view, in these cases, this is because the kid attacked them?

Sure thing, Tywin.

You got issues dude.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2015, 04:29:06 PM

It's reductionist, but yes I believe in the oneness of humanity and that the betterment of the whole is the highest measure of morality. We're all interconnected, to deny that is to see only partial truth. If we had a society in which any child born actually had a realistically equal chance to thrive and contribute positively, I would probably be able to agree that at least low risk pregnancies be carried to term. We don't.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 04:31:48 PM

Women can still die due to complications even if the pregnancy is labeled "low-risk." One of my pals is basically on duty to help babysit a cousin because her mother died in childbirth. It's a real and possible outcome. I couldn't give a fuck less about any other argument honestly. Letting a woman not carry an embryo to term can save her life.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 04:36:52 PM

Not wanting to die.

Emotionalism.

Like I said earlier, you got issues.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 11, 2015, 04:50:30 PM

Trump doesn't need most conservatives to like him in order to win the nomination, he just needs a plurality. The sad truth is when it's early in the primary season and there are 3+ serious contenders for the nomination on the ballot, he could get some states.

At the moment, a quarter or so of Republicans being polled like him and you have to assume they won't settle for anyone remotely more...uh human in the primaries but most likely, he won't have a long term impact beyond making the other candidates pull to the right on issues like immigration.

However, don't forget that he is considering running as an independent and could fuck some shit up and take 10% of the votes that Hillary didn't have a chance of getting anyways.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: mormapope on August 11, 2015, 04:55:34 PM

Why the fuck should you care about a stranger's kid to begin with? Honestly. People that are anti abortion come off as having a hero complex, people that feel emotionally uplifted that they give life a chance, no matter what! Truth is, how much do you think about children and how they live? How they learn, how they grow? The dogshit they're fed in schools?

Wow, you think about kids for maybe three minutes out of the day if you don't children or don't work in an industry revolving around them. Standing up for possible existences that barely make a dent in your day, especially if you are a dude, is far more emotional than letting a woman opt of cancelling something that never had perspective.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2015, 04:55:38 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 04:31:48 PM

Women can still die due to complications even if the pregnancy is labeled "low-risk." One of my pals is basically on duty to help babysit a cousin because her mother died in childbirth. It's a real and possible outcome. I couldn't give a fuck less about any other argument honestly. Letting a woman not carry an embryo to term can save her life.

Yeah, I see how my comment about low risk pregnancies is problematic and certainly support the right to choose in the real world.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: mormapope on August 11, 2015, 05:09:48 PM

Why is a hitman being hired any of your business?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 05:19:24 PM

y r u guys arguing with jd?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: mormapope on August 11, 2015, 05:25:06 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 05:20:22 PM

Is this a serious question?  Are you an anarchist?

I'm not the antichrist.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 05:39:53 PM

It is a bit ironic that in the case JayDubya is all for taking the ability to make decision about a medical procedure away from the patient and doctor and then handing it off to the State. Just sayin'.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 11, 2015, 05:40:20 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 05:19:24 PM

y r u guys arguing with jd?

Yeah, if he doesn't have children already then what exactly is the point? Like as a true believer, he's going to be abstinent with any woman who is not trying to get pregnant so it's not like he could ever stick to his morals and also be in a position to pressure someone to give birth to a child they don't want. I think that's why I've gotten into debates on just about every social issue except abortion.

I guess I'm more clever than anyone who has gotten into an abortion debate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2015, 05:50:49 PM

Quote

aggressive homicides

But what about passive-aggressive homicides? Are those still cool?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 05:57:45 PM

I wonder how many times my body has aborted without my knowledge. I guess I'll never know.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2015, 06:00:56 PM

JayDubya, the biological concept of the organism does not actually give objective proof to your preferred system of morality.



I'm gonna go out and have a milkshake.  Someone unshit the thread before I get back.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: nachobro on August 11, 2015, 06:02:33 PM

Sorta like your posts

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:06:10 PM

I guess I'm such a sociopath I really don't get the difference between my body rejecting a fertilized embryo without me being conscious of it and me doing the deed myself. Seems like it's a thing that happens whether or not I'm pulling the strings, so what's the big deal again.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:13:58 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 06:13:21 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:06:10 PM

I guess I'm such a sociopath I really don't get the difference between my body rejecting a fertilized embryo without me being conscious of it and me doing the deed myself. Seems like it's a thing that happens whether or not I'm pulling the strings, so what's the big deal again.

Oh god, the stupid.  As opposed to what, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, an unfertilized embryo?  Get thee hence to Bio 101 - audit it if you have to.

Seems to me abortion is more natural than being pregnant given how often the things actually implant. You're sure pissed. Sorry fertilized egg.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: mormapope on August 11, 2015, 06:16:04 PM

I used to just be pro abortion, but after these JayDubya posts, I might be pro eugenics as well.

EDIT: Sociopaths actually have soft spots for really random things they deem innocent/important or things that should never be fucked with. Having passionate thoughts and emotions over cells or canned chicken goo sounds more sociopathic than not caring about that shit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:17:13 PM

It's just weird to me the logic. It's a miscarriage unless I have full knowledge and some involvement, then it's an abortion and so wrong on a moral level, despite the female body basically being an abortive machine. Huh.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 06:17:14 PM

No shit, everytime this debate comes up, I remember to donate to my regular suite of abortion service charities.  Thanks JD.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:18:34 PM

How is it a natural death? What if I'm not doing my best to be in a state where I get pregnant? Aren't I just as guilty on some level?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2015, 06:18:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 11, 2015, 06:00:56 PM

JayDubya, the biological concept of the organism does not actually give objective proof to your preferred system of morality.



I'm gonna go out and have a milkshake.  Someone unshit the thread before I get back.

Not possible. JD's touch is like the bog of eternal stench- this place is ruined forever.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 06:19:14 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:17:13 PM

It's just weird to me the logic. It's a miscarriage unless I have full knowledge and some involvement, then it's an abortion and so wrong on a moral level, despite the female body basically being an abortive machine. Huh.

Sometimes you just need to flush a couple babies out your system.
:yeshrug

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I prefer to flush them down toilets myself.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:20:46 PM

What about women who don't stop and become bed ridden the moment they know they're pregnant. Is any miscarriage that happens technically an abortion. Are they actually committing murder on a subconscious level.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 11, 2015, 06:23:06 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:18:34 PM

How is it a natural death? What if I'm not doing my best to be in a state where I get pregnant? Aren't I just as guilty on some level?

This sounds like shit that's asked on a mullahs site: "what if there's an earthquake and you fall into your sister's vagina?"

But you're just asking to troll, you know it. And it's boring.  :maf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 06:23:38 PM

Seriously tho people, how long have you all been on the game dude internets?  This is JayDubya's schtick.  For years and years no one has gotten him to say anything remotely of value, just the same tired stuff.  He keeps going by roping in you youngins (just like Ron Paul, just as racist too).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:25:06 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on August 11, 2015, 06:23:06 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:18:34 PM

How is it a natural death? What if I'm not doing my best to be in a state where I get pregnant? Aren't I just as guilty on some level?

This sounds like shit that's asked on a mullahs site: "what if there's an earthquake and you fall into your sister's vagina?"

But you're just asking to troll, you know it. And it's boring.  :maf

I'm trolling yes but the questions are still legit. When and where do I become morally culpable for failing to get and maintain pregnancy? Since apparently that's what the default state of being should be. And women are some kind of monsters for terminating that condition by choice through various actions.

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 06:23:38 PM

Seriously tho people, how long have you all been on the game dude internets?  This is JayDubya's schtick.  For years and years no one has gotten him to say anything remotely of value, just the same tired stuff.  He keeps going by roping in you youngins (just like Ron Paul, just as racist too).

Shit I don't care. I'm just askin' questions at this point.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 06:45:13 PM

It's a perfectly reasonable set of questions, when does a woman become culpable for the miscarriage or failure of the embryo to implant.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Rufus on August 11, 2015, 07:02:24 PM

I dunno JD, all you've got going for you is semantics, since your entire argument hinges on putting even a zygote on equal footing to a developed human being.

If Mandark can be fucked to put this into words that you find acceptable, good on him, I'm sure as shit not going to do it though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 11, 2015, 07:03:13 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 11, 2015, 06:00:56 PM

I'm gonna go out and have a milkshake.  Someone unshit the thread before I get back.

Kinda disappointed, thought this was going to be the semi-annual Jaydubya chortling on Mandark's D

 :-\

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 11, 2015, 07:07:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 06:17:14 PM

No shit, everytime this debate comes up, I remember to donate to my regular suite of abortion service charities.  Thanks JD.

Thanks for the reminder.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Rufus on August 11, 2015, 07:10:50 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 11, 2015, 07:05:45 PM

Yes, valuing humans equally hinges on valuing humans equally.

Well done.

I'm not going to play dueling dictionaries with you. If you've got nothing beyond "it is because it is", then there's no point to this entire exchange.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 11, 2015, 07:14:46 PM

this thread should be aborted

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Trent Dole on August 11, 2015, 07:15:27 PM

Quote from: Rufus on August 11, 2015, 07:10:50 PM

there's no point to this entire exchange.

^politics in general right here

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2015, 07:16:53 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 11, 2015, 06:00:56 PM

JayDubya, the biological concept of the organism does not actually give objective proof to your preferred system of morality.



I'm gonna go out and have a milkshake.  Someone unshit the thread before I get back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyGNITggLFs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 11, 2015, 07:48:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 06:17:14 PM

No shit, everytime this debate comes up, I remember to donate to my regular suite of abortion service charities.  Thanks JD.

I've never thought to do that before, but that's a good idea.

(http://i.imgur.com/2mdGFxV.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2015, 08:00:08 PM

I decided to donate to the local Feminist Women's Health Center, which has an abortion clinic and I'm pretty sure a higher percentage of what they do is abortion related. Thanks, JD!

(http://i.imgur.com/cvlJrKP.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 11, 2015, 08:00:53 PM

Ayyo benji, the state is legitimate, Pareto efficiency is real, and Steve Youngblood is a good moderator. :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 11, 2015, 08:04:55 PM

JayDubya making a real difference in the lives of women :tocry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 11, 2015, 08:12:59 PM

Pooling money to assist women in hiring hitmen.

 :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 11, 2015, 08:16:07 PM

 :drudge UPDATE :drudge



While the milkshake was excellent, biology still isn't dispositive in moral philosophy.

So a mixed bag, overall.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2015, 08:27:34 PM

I was confused why this thread grew like three-four pages in less than a day. Saw JD bring up abortion and sighed. I got my answer.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 09:09:28 PM

I assumed JD was being satirical.
I refuse to be moved from this opinion.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 12:14:33 AM

You know what's curious, you rarely ever find someone that is passionate about legal abortion and capital punishment. If you're steadfast on one, you're probably not crazy about the other. I bet the Venn diagram on that one barely intersects.

Not that the two issues share a bunch of commonality, but it just illustrates how predictable and tribal everyone has become.






 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 12:27:17 AM

Quote from: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 09:09:28 PM

I assumed JD was being satirical.
I refuse to be moved from this opinion.

I enjoy reading his posts in the same tone used for A Modest Proposal.

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j/k I've got him Blocked and only see his posts when Quoted.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 12:55:00 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 12:14:33 AM

You know what's curious, you rarely ever find someone that is passionate about legal abortion and capital punishment. If you're steadfast on one, you're probably not crazy about the other. I bet the Venn diagram on that one barely intersects.

Not that the two issues share a bunch of commonality, but it just illustrates how predictable and tribal everyone has become.

That's quite a stretch.

They're actually under the same philosophies. You're just not looking hard enough to find the commonalities.

Pro-choice - I am pro-choice because I think that people who live here on this Earth right now should have choices on this matter. If a woman is raped, or she'll die from giving birth and doesn't to risk it, there's zero reason why the life of a baby should take precedence over hers.

Likewise, there's zero reason to warrant killing someone as punishment for a crime. They are human, and deserve to be treated as such. Further, capital punishment rarely works. It doesn't deter people from committing crime. It also allows those who rule to come up with any reasoning to justify death penalties. Finally, there have plenty of innocent people on death row who have died innocent.

Both viewpoints stress humanism and those living among us today, rather than punishing people from a very high road of morality (either through forcing them to have a baby when they were raped or it will kill them or whatever or killing someone through a distorted view of justice).

The confusing viewpoint is someone who is anti-abortion and yet pro-death penalty. They say they value life through anti-abortion means, but think people should die for their crimes. Actually, it's not that confusing. They just want to force their morality upon everyone else, no matter the circumstances.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 01:19:17 AM

Sometimes even their own morality can bend in their own self-interest, there are plenty of anti-abortion folks who end up doing it and consider theirs (or their daughter's/wife's) more "moral" than those "other sluts."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 01:19:31 AM

(@Himuro) You value the choice of a woman to do what she wants, but not the choice of the victims of the murder? They didn't chose to have their one shot at existence be terminated. Why does the murderer get a chance to continue on living theirs? Just because he/she is still around?

Even though life in prison is less than ideal, you can still experience happiness, joy, affection and experiences within it. Those people that are murdered cannot and never will. Once you rob someone of their sole existence, you forfeit the right to your own. That's humanism.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 01:20:14 AM

I don't think you or the state can ascribe to some higher form of morality by killing people who kill. If your laws and ethics claim killing is wrong and then you put a but on it, what's the point.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 01:22:24 AM

Once you willingly kill multiple people, you forfeit your rights as a human. It's no different than killing a wounded animal. There is no morality involved.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 01:23:28 AM

Who made that rule?

You still haven't actually disputed my issue with it.

Killing is wrong, except if someone killed someone else? Then eye for an eye?

Great justice system that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 01:23:32 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 01:19:31 AM

Those people that are murdered cannot and never will. Once you rob someone of their sole existence, you forfeit the right to your own. That's humanism.

I'm not sure but I don't think that's actually how humanism works.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 01:31:40 AM

When you divorce religion/spirituality from every aspect of existence, all we have are these scant 100 years to exist. All we are, are the memories we create in that window of time. If that's not held as sacred and a basic right, then it doesn't strike me as a main tenant of what humanism is or should be.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2015, 01:31:46 AM

I thought humanism is where people voluntarily accept each other, like in sports.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 01:34:17 AM

Apparently, mass murder is like a Hollywood headbutt. As long as you think of it first, the other guy gets fucked.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 01:34:49 AM

Oh never mind TA, I see what you're doing (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=43601.0).  Carry on.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 01:35:15 AM

The U.S. seems to veer a lot in personal responsibility while ignoring the greater societal problems that create murderers, rapists, etc. Far as I'm concerned if it's proven a serial murderer and or rapists parents (or whomever) abused the individual, they should be in the cell right next to them. But acting like violence in this country is so random and unexpected absolves the rest of us Americans from self-introspection. We are a big fucking part of the problem of the violence we deem so "depraved" and so "tragic."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 01:39:47 AM

Quote from: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 01:34:49 AM

Oh never mind TA, I see what you're doing (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=43601.0).  Carry on.

At least link directly to the post (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=43601.msg2073481#msg2073481). You're getting lazy in your old age. Younger Mandark would have pulled a post from 5 years ago and directly linked it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 01:47:00 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 01:31:40 AM

When you divorce religion/spirituality from every aspect of existence, all we have are these scant 100 years to exist. All we are, are the memories we create in that window of time. If that's not held as sacred and a basic right, then it doesn't strike me as a main tenant of what humanism is or should be.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2015, 03:25:39 AM

It's a house. :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 06:31:19 AM

https://lessigforpresident.com/

http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-elections/lawrence-lessig-running-for-president-20150811

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 07:38:19 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 07:28:37 AM

Someone who is objectively guilty of killing other human beings is not the equal to other human beings and should not be treated as such.  They're a rabid dog who deserves to be, at best, cordoned off away from actual humans so they don't hurt anyone else.  This now includes present company.

:rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 07:41:22 AM

But this is why I meant to come in here, from This Town:

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Shortly after Obama took office, he and [Rahm] Emanuel were meeting with Nancy Pelosi, when the chief of staff started cracking his knuckles. When Obama turned and expressed annoyance with the habit, Emanuel held the offending knuckle up to Obama's left ear and snapped off a few special cracks for his presidential benefit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2015, 09:02:59 AM

benji, this thread desperately needs some New Synthesis.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 09:14:45 AM

(http://revcom.us/static/meme/600px_ForcedMotherhood-en.jpg)

http://revcom.us/a/397/sunsara-taylor-stop-the-lies-and-attacks-against-planned-parenthood-en.html

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This attack on Planned Parenthood is a major move in a fascist assault to completely annihilate women’s right to abortion. It is a move aimed at returning to the days when women were much more openly viewed as property of their husbands and breeders of children. The fact that national government figures are openly contemplating shutting down the government over this reveals just how deadly serious they are. They want to force women to have children against their will. This is a form of enslavement and it must be STOPPED.

But the situation is not dangerous only because of the cold-hearted aggression of Republican law-makers to further strip women of the right to birth control and abortion (not to mention many cancer screenings and other basic health care) by de-funding Planned Parenthood.

This danger is exacerbated by the craven defensiveness of Democrats and leading pro-choice figures in the face of this attack. Rather than speak positively in defense of abortion rights, Bernie Sanders, the “progressive” Democrat running for president, joined in criticizing one of the Planned Parenthood executives for what he said was a “terribly wrong” tone. Democratic Senator Harry Reid made sure to mention that these videos “raised questions” before admitting that, as far as he knows, no law has been broken. Hillary Clinton, after nearly a week of deafening silence, very passively expressed that she is “hoping that this situation will not further undermine the very important services that Planned Parenthood provides.”

No! Those who made this video are completely illegitimate. They are dishonest and they are motivated by nothing but a stark, cold hatred for women. They know very well that demonizing abortion providers in this way has directly contributed to unleashing Christian fascist terrorists to bomb abortion clinics and kill doctors. There is nothing moral about any of this!

And those in government who are using this video as a pretext to spread lies about, viciously demonize, and shut down clinics that provide women with birth control and abortion are threatening the lives and the future of millions of women. They have no right to claim the “moral high ground.” They must be called out and STOPPED.

There is no reason—and can be no room—for defensiveness in the face of these fascists. Fetuses are NOT babies. Abortion is NOT murder. And women are NOT incubators.

It is more important than ever for people who do not want to see women forced to have children against their will to speak openly and boldly about the tremendous positive importance of abortion rights. It is important to counter the lies being spread, including through reading and spreading this article about what a fetus and an abortion actually are. And it is critical that people join in politically resisting and refuting all the lies and attacks being made against Planned Parenthood—and against any other abortion providers who may come under attack.

ABORTION ON DEMAND AND WITHOUT APOLOGY
FORCED MOTHERHOOD IS FEMALE ENSLAVEMENT

http://revcom.us/a/394/talk-by-sunsara-taylor-stop-assault-on-abortion-rights-en.html

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An all-out assault on women's right to abortion is leaving 600-mile stretches between abortion clinics, and banning abortions at earlier and earlier points in the pregnancy. Why does it matter whether or not women have the right to abortion? Sunsara Taylor brings a true picture of what it means to be living through a war on women, where all this comes from, and why the domination of women by men is not human nature. She brings alive how a real revolution can liberate women and what must be done today to build the fight for real and lasting emancipation.

Sunsara Taylor is a writer for Revolution newspaper (revcom.us) and key initiator of "End Pornography & Patriarchy: the Enslavement and Degradation of Women (StopPatriarchy.org)

http://revcom.us/a/1265/what-is-abortion.htm

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The Christian fascist movement has been growing and strengthening its base in society for decades—through religious organizations, "think" tanks, school boards, lobbying groups, "abstinence-only" programs, movies like The Passion of the Christ and other cultural works, and in various other ways. And as became stark with the reelection of George W. Bush, the Christian fascists are firmly entrenched in the top levels of the ruling class and within the government itself. They have a lot of initiative and are increasingly setting the terms, and no other section of the ruling class is either willing or able to pose a real challenge. Emboldened by Bush’s recent victory and clutching a social program interwoven with tradition’s chains, these forces have set their sights on abortion: by restricting access and funding, building up anti-abortion organizations, promoting unscientific notions that a fetus is a "human being," and preparing to outlaw abortion altogether through a Supreme Court decision to overthrow Roe v. Wade.

The right of women to control their reproduction is essential to women’s liberation—this is why the Christian fascists see outlawing abortion and increasing control over women as an essential component and leading edge of their whole Dark Ages social program. And this is why everyone who doesn’t want to live in the nightmarish future envisioned by these Christian fascists has to jump into the political battle over abortion. In order to wage this battle, people need truth and scientific understanding.

The following presentation of the science behind abortion is a slightly edited version of an article that originally appeared in RW #897.

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A.S.K., the author of "Life Cannot and Should Not Always Be Preserved," is a contributing writer to the Revolutionary Worker with experience in the struggle for scientific experimentation as well as the revolutionary struggle.

http://bobavakian.net/articles/ccw/ccw17.html

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These are ways that we can hit back hard at them, politically and ideologically, getting to what is the essence here: It is not the supposed "killing of babies," it is that they want women to be in essence the property of men, to be controlled by their husbands and to be breeders of children, breeders of property, for their husbands. We should continue to hammer at them: " That is what your Bible advocates, and that is what you are for. And this is shown not only by your opposition to abortion but also by the fact that, at the same time, you are against birth control."

It is also very important to be bringing things back to the reality of what 90 plus percent of abortions actually consist of--the fact that they are performed in the first trimester, the first three months of pregnancy, when the fetus is anywhere from the size of the period at the end of this sentence to about an inch in length. Those opposed to abortion distort and play up things they make sound like horrors, like late-term abortions. First of all, they label these procedures "partial birth abortions," distorting what they actually are. Second of all, they misrepresent how often they actually occur--the fact that they are really quite rare--and they misrepresent under what conditions they generally occur, they leave out or push to the background the health of the woman in question. And then this --their distortions of late-term abortions--becomes, in their propaganda, identified with all abortions. Not that we should be defensive about the necessity for late-term abortions, but all this is just total distortion. We have to wage a counter-offensive here, and get to what the essence of the issue is. In the case of the great majority of abortions, over 90 percent, what is involved, in terms of the fetus, is a very tiny clump of cells--it is that versus a woman’s fate. That’s what we’re talking about here. Physiologically and socially, that’s essentially what we’re talking about here--the fate of women vs. a clump of cells, which at that point (during the first three months in particular) are by no means even completely differentiated (into different organs and parts of the body with different specific functions) and certainly are not anything like a developed human being--and are, in fact, a tiny clump of cells. We have to get things back to the real issue.

This is not only a crucial issue in an overall sense, but it is being even more sharply posed in the aftermath of the 2004 election, where the Christian Fascists are pushing like crazy to abolish the right to abortion--they are insisting to Bush and the Republicans: "You’ve gotta deliver on this now." That is why they went after Arlen Specter (a long-time Senator from Pennsylvania, who is supposedly a more "moderate Republican," whatever that means), because Specter cautioned Bush about nominating people as judges who would support the outright outlawing of abortion.

And, as with the political situation in general at this point, the polarization around the question of abortion is not favorable now. Even among women, particularly younger women, there is a lot of confusion around this issue, a lot of influence of the reactionary offensive against abortion, including the characterization of abortion as "killing babies." Many of these young women have not understood the essence of this issue--and many other people have lost sight of it, or become "fuzzy" and "conflicted" about it--not only because of the reactionary offensive but also because the bourgeois-democratic leaders of the women’s movement have let themselves believe that they could just become passive and let Democratic Party politicians like Clinton and Gore take care of it. They fell into the false notion that, "Oh, they’ll never really take away the right to abortion--or, if there is a real threat of that, we just gotta vote for Democrats." They have let the other side--the Christian Fascists and the reactionaries generally, with their offensive against abortion--completely have the initiative, politically and ideologically (including morally), for years and years now.

And, while it was of course a very good thing that a million people came out to demonstrate recently in support of the right to abortion, by itself that will not end up amounting to very much, because these people haven’t seized the political and ideological initiative around this question. And, to be blunt, many of the million women and men who were there, to support the right to abortion, would have a very hard time answering the moral and overall ideological offensive of the other side--other than to just sort of retreat into certain catch phrases about a woman’s right to choose, without being able to engage the substance of the attack on that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2015, 09:18:50 AM

Finally some common sense. Thank you.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 09:39:11 AM

Which guy? Those are three different people, including a woman, who all understand that you can't break all the chains but one.

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You cannot break all the chains, except one. You cannot say you want to be free of exploitation and oppression, except you want to keep the oppression of women by men. You can’t say you want to liberate humanity yet keep one half of the people enslaved to the other half. The oppression of women is completely bound up with the division of society into masters and slaves, exploiters and exploited, and the ending of all such conditions is impossible without the complete liberation of women. All this is why women have a tremendous role to play not only in making revolution but in making sure there is all-the-way revolution. The fury of women can and must be fully unleashed as a mighty force for proletarian revolution.

Bob Avakian
Chairman of the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA
BAsics 3:22

NEW from Bob Avakian: Break ALL the Chains! Bob Avakian on the Emancipation of Women and the Communist Revolution (http://revcom.us/avakian/Break-ALL-the-Chains/Break-ALL-the-Chains-FULL-WORK.pdf)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 09:48:40 AM

Fuck government forced birth.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 10:10:37 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 08:40:55 AM

Quote from: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 12:27:17 AM

Quote from: studyguy on August 11, 2015, 09:09:28 PM

I assumed JD was being satirical.
I refuse to be moved from this opinion.

I enjoy reading his posts in the same tone used for A Modest Proposal.

Well then here's a fun fact to drill through your thickheaded skull: Jonathan Swift wrote in jest about killing the children of the poor.

It's you people that are actually running with the notion.

Pretty soon you'll be telling me that life begins not with conception, but with intent. You can accuse women who turn you down of murder! It's win-win.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 10:29:50 AM

You'll understand when you're a grown-up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 10:33:03 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/8unClsa.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 10:54:22 AM

Nope, still the same dope.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 11:09:12 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 07:28:37 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 12, 2015, 12:55:00 AM

That's quite a stretch.

They're actually under the same philosophies. You're just not looking hard enough to find the commonalities.

Pro-choice - I am pro-choice because I think that people who live here on this Earth right now should have choices on this matter.

The kid is "living here right now on Earth."  It is clear that your "opinion" is also based in ignorance of basic fact.  This is a very common trend among you pro-aborts, you just don't know shit.  It's frustrating.

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Likewise, there's zero reason to warrant killing someone as punishment for a crime. They are human, and deserve to be treated as such.

There are two problems with the death penalty, one is currently completely controlled for and the other is always going to be a problem with all law enforcement.

The former is the possibility of Draco-esque execution for jaywalking; of course, now it's only handed out for specific criminal charges against those who have killed other human beings.

The latter is the possibility of convicting someone who is innocent.

Someone who is objectively guilty of killing other human beings is not the equal to other human beings and should not be treated as such.  They're a rabid dog who deserves to be, at best, cordoned off away from actual humans so they don't hurt anyone else.  This now includes present company.

See, as I said in the philosophy thread, there's no point in engaging you. You don't want to change your view, I don't want to change mine. We are set in our world views. Why don't we just end this discussion here and now?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 11:22:46 AM

Only problem I've got is creating laws through "morality" or very, very subjective opinions like "people who kill others forfeit their humanity". Can you imagine a government actually espousing that view?

Naw, I just don't think a fetus that is in utero is actually a human until x amount of months. I completely disagree with the conception argument, and have not seen any science suggesting it to be true. You won't ever see me support abortion past a specific period of time unless it's shown to harm the mother or the mother was raped. But even then I'm pro-choice, but it's not up to me to rule my views over others. Plus, how could I ever have such an opinion? I can't even give birth (:stahp).

Also, you should take notice that pro-choice does not necessarily mean pro-abortion.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 11:32:58 AM

Ah, the naive Conservative/Libertarian viewpoint that laws are laws, especially in regards to managing human life,  and can never be abused or go wrong while at the same time propagating a want for LESS government rears its head again!

I remember talking about weed among some conservatives at a Final Fantasy fansite once. "There's no reason to smoke it! Laws are laws! It's against the law!" as if there exists some realm where all laws are just. I'm thoroughly convinced you were a part of that group, Jay. Did you ever post on SquarePedia? That forum for SG rejects? A lot of your debates come off as SQP argumentation 101.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 11:37:15 AM

Man, you'd fit in so well at SQP. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 12, 2015, 11:40:43 AM

Hey man, abortion isn't murder, it's eviction. Not my fault the little fucker couldn't pull up his bootstraps and develop lungs.

Very striking to me how JD can empathize with a burgeoning lump of tissue but not an adult human who killed when humans have been killing each other since existence.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 12, 2015, 11:50:55 AM

Sorry, your hypocrisy is too blunt. You seek to humanize the embryo and yet if a man breaks the wrong law you wish to strip him of his humanity. I'd rather be a Neanderthal than have no ability empathize with my fellow man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 11:54:40 AM

Don't fight with conservative gamers or nerds. Won't end well. Never does.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 12:01:42 PM

Can we get back on topic?  I swear to god you guys can't you just ignore libertarians LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN FOR EVER AND EVER

(http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/archive/001.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 12, 2015, 12:01:48 PM

Murderers don't turn into cats :smug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 12:10:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 12:01:42 PM

Can we get back on topic?  I swear to god you guys can't you just ignore libertarians LIKE EVERYONE HAS BEEN FOR EVER AND EVER

(http://www.mspaintadventures.com/sweetbroandhellajeff/archive/001.jpg)

someone needs to bring back squigglevision

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 12:13:21 PM

Squigglevision was the worst.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 12:13:42 PM

holy fuck, contra. fuck you, i'm marathoning Home Movies tonight it seems. You jerk.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 12:16:57 PM

Squigglevision was only the first season of Home Movies :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 12:17:19 PM

IT STILL INSTANTLY REMINDS ME OF IT DAMMIT

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2015, 12:23:54 PM

You cannot break all the chains, except one. You cannot say you want to be free of exploitation and oppression, except you want to keep the oppression of women by men. You can’t say you want to liberate humanity yet keep one half of the people enslaved to the other half.

agree unironically

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 12:31:43 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 10:13:06 AM

No, I will simply tell you the scientific fact that an organism's lifespan begins at conception, which has always been the case and won't be changing.

Over and over again you people reinforce the notion that the only reason you support what you do is due to your own ignorance, be it willful or a function of stupidity.

This is actually not a scientific fact, it is a way humans have chosen to conceptualize a set of observations.  Further, it's a concept carries no inherent moral weight.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2015, 12:33:32 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 12, 2015, 12:23:54 PM

You cannot break all the chains, except one. You cannot say you want to be free of exploitation and oppression, except you want to keep the oppression of women by men. You can’t say you want to liberate humanity yet keep one half of the people enslaved to the other half.

agree unironically

What about sexy chains, tho?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2015, 12:34:26 PM

What about the chains of love?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J2OlIpQgF8

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 12:34:50 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 07:28:37 AM

This now includes present company.

 ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 12:36:13 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2015, 12:34:26 PM

What about the chains of love?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J2OlIpQgF8

:lawd

The gays were right all along

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2015, 12:40:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2015, 12:33:32 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 12, 2015, 12:23:54 PM

You cannot break all the chains, except one. You cannot say you want to be free of exploitation and oppression, except you want to keep the oppression of women by men. You can’t say you want to liberate humanity yet keep one half of the people enslaved to the other half.

agree unironically

What about sexy chains, tho?

What kind of animal would break a Campagnolo Record 11 speed chain? Disgusting.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 12, 2015, 12:49:32 PM

since when was it a scientific fact that life begins at conception

Like I think I would have heard that after years and years of science classes

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 12:51:30 PM

Are eggs actual chickens now too? :o

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 12:52:10 PM

did we ever decide this? we arrest the doctor and the woman right? and we investigate the father too? obviously everyone who helped order and prepare the hit on the kid

and the roads they traveled on...put there by the state!

follow the money

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 12:53:59 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on August 12, 2015, 12:49:32 PM

since when was it a scientific fact that life begins at conception

Like I think I would have heard that after years and years of science classes

The irony of choosing this point in time is what I was getting at earlier. A lot of conception happens but shit tons of failure to implant does too. Do embryos that fail to implant go to limbo also?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 12:56:01 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 12:52:10 PM

did we ever decide this? we arrest the doctor and the woman right? and we investigate the father too? obviously everyone who helped order and prepare the hit on the kid

and the roads they traveled on...put there by the state!

follow the money

:rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 12:59:14 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 12:44:28 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 12:31:43 PM

This is actually not a scientific fact, it is a way humans have chosen to conceptualize a set of observations.

Wrong.  Scientific terminology is objective, not subjective.  It is based on evidence and observation, not speculation or opinion.

As short as I keep my posts, you could at least read the whole thing if you're gonna respond.  I don't have time to Strunk'n'White them down any further.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 01:07:41 PM

Again

"[c]haracteristics that define an individual living organism" are characteristics chosen by humans to create a definition.

A biological definition does not mean anything in and of itself in terms of morality.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 12, 2015, 01:11:15 PM

JD do you have children?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 12, 2015, 01:21:03 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/when-innocence-is-no-defense.html?emc=edit_th_20150812&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=59924205

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 12, 2015, 01:22:01 PM

A definition isn't a fact, it's an accepted pointer to a concept. How thick is u? Our definition of life is somewhat arbitrary and isn't even concretely agreed upon in the scientific community. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 12, 2015, 01:24:46 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 12, 2015, 01:11:15 PM

JD do you have children?

who would procreate with him

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2015, 01:30:20 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 12, 2015, 01:21:03 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/12/opinion/when-innocence-is-no-defense.html?emc=edit_th_20150812&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=59924205

This is as equally troubling to me as the conservative notion that if you are killed during the commission of a crime, no matter how petty, then you're just getting what you deserved and nobody should feel any sympathy towards you.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 01:33:31 PM

I love how JD calls us barbarians and neanderthals and stuff, when he's totally pro-death penalty, and if this were any other point in history, would probably be one of the many people completely glad to bring popcorn to a beheading under the pretense that they deserved it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-defends-planned-parenthood-responds-to-gop-critics-on-hannity/

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Hannity threw a few softballs at Trump, but also pressed him a little on specific policy proposals for Obamacare, the economy, and even Planned Parenthood.

And Trump kind of surprised Hannity by defending them, saying that abortion is only a “fairly small part of what they do” and overall they do a great service for women, so “we have to look at the positive also for Planned Parenthood.”

He also hit back against his conservative critics and pointed out that Ronald Reagan used to be a Democrat and wasn’t even as conservative as people remember him as.

(http://i.imgur.com/pMZdwqI.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 01:43:53 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 01:42:35 PM

He also hit back against his conservative critics and pointed out that Ronald Reagan used to be a Democrat and wasn’t even as conservative as people remember him as.

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Tell that to the state of California.  :-\ Or Black Americans in general.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2015, 01:48:01 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:45:46 PM

Stick a fork in that asshole.  He can vent his hot air all he wants, but after that garbage, he's done.

Wish in one hand and crap in the other, see which piles up quicker.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 01:49:07 PM

we gotta investigate any "miscarriages" too right? especially if they happen at home with few authoritative witnesses and they hold a little funeral instead of reporting the negligent manslaughter to the police

maybe there could be some kind of system where as soon as conception happens the baby's temporary housing is locked away for safety in a big building until the baby can exit safely

it'd have to be guarded for their safety, and only one mother to a suite, can't allow harmful things in their suite such as other mothers, and they're locked in at night so nothing goes afoul

i'd imagine the LIEBERALS would want this place run by the state instead of some free market entrepreneurs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 12, 2015, 01:53:06 PM

Is there testable, falsifiable evidence of the definition of life/organisms/species/etc, published as papers in peer-reviewed journals?

Would love to read about it.  Hopefully it's a publicly available pdf, but pretty sure I still have a way in to jstor if it's not.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 01:58:28 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:55:07 PM

Does a forensic medical exam / criminal investigation accompany every death of a born human?  No?  Oh, okay then.

That was a nice point you tried to have.  Unfortunately, it was never going to make it.  Don't blame yourself, I'm sure you did your best, but these things happen.

For now on I'm replying to all of your posts with a gif.

(http://i.imgur.com/m8FHn.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 02:02:37 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 12, 2015, 01:58:28 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:55:07 PM

Does a forensic medical exam / criminal investigation accompany every death of a born human?  No?  Oh, okay then.

That was a nice point you tried to have.  Unfortunately, it was never going to make it.  Don't blame yourself, I'm sure you did your best, but these things happen.

(http://i.imgur.com/m8FHn.gif)

Mucus abortion. All those clumps of live cells aggressively murdered.  Why don't people think of the boogers?:brazilcry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 02:04:19 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:55:07 PM

Does a forensic medical exam / criminal investigation accompany every death of a born human?  No?  Oh, okay then.

But this isn't just death, this is potentially murder. They definitely should be investigated considering any of these so-called "miscarriages" could actually be the parents performing an abortion themselves or hiring contract killers.

The investigations could uncover entire rings of contract killers to bring down.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 02:13:56 PM

A woman was pregnant, now she's not. But there's no baby. She didn't report her "miscarriage" or "stillborn" to the proper authorities who confirmed it was not a murder. Clearly foul play is at hand. The question now is only how many others were involved and the first step is investigating the would be mother considering she was present at the crime.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 02:18:11 PM

Benji is always serious. I'm not sure how you gleaned he was joking from his post, JD. Benji isn't exactly known for being a sarcastic poster. He's the forum straight man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 02:19:08 PM

We have straight men here now?  Gross.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 02:21:55 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 02:19:08 PM

We have straight men here now?  Gross.

Agreed. I don't think we are doing our best efforts to spread The Agenda on this site, and quality is going down the drain as a result.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 02:26:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 02:19:08 PM

We have straight men here now?  Gross.

Did you miss the Supreme Court ruling?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 02:28:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 02:26:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 12, 2015, 02:19:08 PM

We have straight men here now?  Gross.

Did you miss the Supreme Court ruling?

How does it feel to be forced to marry a man against your will, Benji? What can you tell us about the straight male persecution in Obama's America?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 02:33:23 PM

It's really only the marriage part I have a problem with.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2015, 02:38:24 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 02:33:23 PM

It's really only the marriage part I have a problem with.

It makes sense, I don't blame you. The government forcing you to do this is genocide. How will humans be able to reproduce if they force people to marry the same gender? It's even worse than abortion and our government is completely complicit. Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave. Humanity will be wiped out in a generation.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 02:43:49 PM

Involuntary manslaughter/negligent homicide is what you're looking for benji.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 03:00:58 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 12, 2015, 02:38:24 PM

It makes sense, I don't blame you. The government forcing you to do this is genocide. How will humans be able to reproduce if they force people to marry the same gender? It's even worse than abortion and our government is completely complicit. Ronald Reagan is rolling in his grave. Humanity will be wiped out in a generation.

I mean just the marriage part, I don't really care about genders or numbers.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 12, 2015, 03:09:01 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on August 12, 2015, 03:00:43 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on August 12, 2015, 12:49:32 PM

since when was it a scientific fact that life begins at conception

Like I think I would have heard that after years and years of science classes

I mean, he's not wrong. After conception it's a living organism that undergoes cellular mitosis.

The distinction I make is whether or not it's sentient life. I only support an abortion ban (with exceptions) at such time as the fetus becomes sentient. Which is probably around 6 months, which matches up with the laws most states have on the books. And nearly all abortions happen well before the 6 month mark.

The ones that happen after 6 months, usually something has gone horribly wrong. Most pregnant women don't decide to get a late term abortion/third trimester abortion "just cause."

Quote from: The Walrus on August 12, 2015, 03:00:43 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on August 12, 2015, 12:49:32 PM

since when was it a scientific fact that life begins at conception

Like I think I would have heard that after years and years of science classes

I mean, he's not wrong. After conception it's a living organism that undergoes cellular mitosis.

The distinction I make is whether or not it's sentient life. I only support an abortion ban (with exceptions) at such time as the fetus becomes sentient. Which is probably around 6 months, which matches up with the laws most states have on the books. And nearly all abortions happen well before the 6 month mark.

Your distinction still isn't specific enough. Do you eat meat?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 03:11:27 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on August 12, 2015, 03:00:43 PM

Which is probably around 6 months, which matches up with the laws most states have on the books. And nearly all abortions happen well before the 6 month mark.

This reminds me of some stuff I read a month or so back in some policy book, most of Europe is more restrictive than the "average" U.S. state because of federal rulings.

One article I grabbed from a quick google search: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/in-liberal-europe-abortion-laws-come-with-their-own-restrictions/278350/

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In Germany, women seeking first-trimester abortions are subject to a mandatory three-day waiting period and a counseling session. Abortions after the first 12 weeks of pregnancy are forbidden except in cases of grave threat to the mother's physical or mental health. The Netherlands mandates a five-day waiting period between initial consultation and abortion; clinics must provide women with information about abortion alternatives. Abortion is then legal until viability (legally defined as 24 weeks, usually interpreted as 22 weeks). In Belgium, where abortion was illegal until 1990, there's a six-day waiting period and the woman must claim to be in "a state of distress" before receiving a first-trimester abortion.

Many Western European countries have what might seem like odd requirements and exceptions to their abortion laws.

In Finland (home of the now-famous Finnish baby boxes and other enviable government benefits), abortion is available up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, unless the woman is under 17 years old, in which case she may have an abortion until she's 20 weeks pregnant. But even for early abortions, women must provide a "social reason" for seeking to terminate her pregnancy, such as poverty, extreme distress, or already having at least four children. While in practice most abortion requests are granted, it still forces women to prove to an authority the validity of their desire not to have a baby. In Denmark, abortion is available on demand up to 12 weeks of pregnancy. Afterward, exceptions are made for cases of rape, threats to the woman's physical or mental health, risk of fetal defects, and -- revealingly -- in cases where the woman can demonstrate lack of financial resources to care for a child.

Israel (though not part of Europe, obviously) has similarly idiosyncratic requirements and restrictions. Though 93 percent of American Jews support abortion rights in all or most cases, and the Torah has little to say about abortion, the Jewish state of Israel has fairly heavy-handed abortion laws. Abortion is illegal for married women between ages 17 and 40, except in cases of rape, incest, fetal malformation, or risk to the mother's physical or mental health. Women eligible for abortions (the unmarried ones, that is) must submit to ultrasounds, wade through rivers of paperwork, and plead their case to an expert.

Eastern Europe, a stronghold of liberal abortion laws under Communism, has become increasingly strict of late. Russia recently passed a law restricting abortion to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and Russian clinics are also now forced to give (medically dubious) warnings about the health risks of abortion, which supposedly include cancer and infertility. After the fall of the USSR, Poland enacted some of Europe's strictest abortion laws , banning the procedure except in cases of rape, fetal malformation, or serious threats to the woman's health. The Ukraine is currently threatening to follow suit.

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Sweden
Since 1974, abortion has been legal in Sweden in all circumstances within the first 18 weeks of pregnancy. After this point, abortions are only permissible to save the life or physical health of the mother, or if approval is granted by the National Board of Health and Welfare.

Quote

Ireland
The Offenses Against the Person Act of 1861 (originally enacted by the United Kingdom but parts of which are still active in Ireland) banned abortion in all circumstances. Later court decisions established an exception to save the mother’s life. In 1983, a constitutional amendment strengthened the country’s abortion restrictions by establishing a fetus’s right to life, equating it with a woman’s right to life. The lack of access to abortion garnered attention in 1992 when a 14-year-old rape victim sought to travel to Great Britain to terminate her pregnancy. She was permitted to travel to Great Britain for this purpose only after the Irish Supreme Court ruled that requiring the girl to have the child might lead her to commit suicide. According to experts, each year more than 7,000 Irish women travel to Great Britain to receive abortions.

Have a free interactive WEB FOUR POINT OH map: http://worldabortionlaws.com/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2015, 03:20:35 PM

When planes are grounded in the UK they have boat in women from Norn Iron to Britain to get abortions. Kinda surreal / stupid. The joys of imperialism and patriarchy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2015, 03:52:17 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:45:46 PM

Stick a fork in that asshole.  He can vent his hot air all he wants, but after that garbage, he's done.

How many times has this been said though? Outside of voicing support for affirmative action, I doubt there's anything he could say that will sink him. I think the sinking process will be natural and out of his control (more people paying attention, other candidates doing effective ground work in states, better debate performances than him, etc).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 12, 2015, 04:03:51 PM

Once he has to start writing down platform ideas and plans, people will tear it apart. Trump talks about "making America great again" through rebuilding the infrastructure. Experts start putting price tags on that, then comes the question "how does this get paid for?" comes and  then it all falls apart.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 12, 2015, 05:51:10 PM

THE FUCKENING IS HAPPENING, YOU GUYS

Trump at 22% in Iowa, Walker at 9, Bush at 5

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/cnn-orc-poll-trump-iowa

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 12, 2015, 07:28:40 PM

Part of me is happy, but part of me is tremendously sad

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 07:59:29 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on August 12, 2015, 07:28:40 PM

Part of me is happy, but part of me is tremendously sad

It definitely speaks to the rift in the country's population. It's stunning to me that Trump looks attractive to anyone.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2015, 10:12:13 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/08/12/new-rand-paul-video-basically-calls-donald-trump-a-closet-democrat/

Quote

Recently, Rand Paul called me and asked me to play golf. I easily beat him on the golf course and will even more easily beat him now, in the world in the politics.

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 12, 2015, 10:30:02 PM

Part of me wants to replace my Bernie bumper sticker with a Trump one. And the rest of me is worried that I can't decide if that's irony, strategy, or sincerity.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 12, 2015, 10:50:55 PM

Put both on!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 11:48:32 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 02:02:37 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 12, 2015, 01:58:28 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:55:07 PM

Does a forensic medical exam / criminal investigation accompany every death of a born human?  No?  Oh, okay then.

That was a nice point you tried to have.  Unfortunately, it was never going to make it.  Don't blame yourself, I'm sure you did your best, but these things happen.

(http://i.imgur.com/m8FHn.gif)

Mucus abortion. All those clumps of live cells aggressively murdered.  Why don't people think of the boogers?:brazilcry

(http://i.imgur.com/WgtuRNZ.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 13, 2015, 12:06:46 AM

Statistically speaking over 50 years, a half dozen Jaydubs aborted. :lawd #suckstobelegal #abort_them_all :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: helios on August 13, 2015, 12:42:46 AM

https://twitter.com/aurosan/status/631200732788690944

Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 13, 2015, 08:45:28 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 13, 2015, 04:37:23 AM

Quote from: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 11:48:32 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 02:02:37 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 12, 2015, 01:58:28 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:55:07 PM

Does a forensic medical exam / criminal investigation accompany every death of a born human?  No?  Oh, okay then.

That was a nice point you tried to have.  Unfortunately, it was never going to make it.  Don't blame yourself, I'm sure you did your best, but these things happen.

(http://i.imgur.com/m8FHn.gif)

Mucus abortion. All those clumps of live cells aggressively murdered.  Why don't people think of the boogers?:brazilcry

(http://i.imgur.com/WgtuRNZ.jpg)

I'm sorry, did I say you were this way because you were stupid?  I didn't mean to disparage the merely stupid, as you're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

(http://i.imgur.com/FAu4xME.jpg)
Coming from you, the honorable king of the distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 13, 2015, 12:34:48 PM

JayDub is the best spokesman for a pro-choice America I've seen yet...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2015, 01:16:16 PM

I bought a Taylor Swift album to show my #solidarity with women.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 13, 2015, 01:25:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2015, 01:16:16 PM

I bought a Taylor Swift album to show my #solidarity with women.

Currently disgusted.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 13, 2015, 03:23:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlEz_PLFBIg&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 13, 2015, 06:40:40 PM

is there such a thing as concern stanning? because cap'n dilbert's got that on LOCKDOWN

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius#

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 13, 2015, 06:45:41 PM

Quote

I also saw some Internet chatter about the idea of picking Mark Cuban as Vice Presidential running mate. If that happens, Republicans win. And I think they like to win. There is no way Trump picks some desiccated Governor from an important state as his running mate. I think Cuban is a realistic possibility.

(http://i.imgur.com/3K1q2nQ.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2015, 06:59:11 PM

Too bad Ron Paul isn't running. A Paul/Trump/Sanders trio of internet coverage would increase delusion emissions to The Day After Tomorrow tier disaster levels.
:lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 13, 2015, 07:04:15 PM

Ross Perot eat your heart out.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 13, 2015, 08:15:07 PM

Quote

This person has been murdered in the digital realm.

(http://i.imgur.com/3K1q2nQ.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Broseidon on August 13, 2015, 08:33:56 PM

:zzz

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 13, 2015, 09:03:28 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 13, 2015, 08:12:31 PM

So some of you can't or won't offer any kind of salient on-point discussion and you're not satisfied with simply not talking about something which is political and in the news in the political news thread.  That's not good enough for you.  You want to silence others. 

So you're threatening to kill and / or actually killing other human beings. And you must think I'll blame myself and feel bad and thus I'll stop talking about something which interests me.

That's where your cunning plan fails.  See, I get that as a bunch of collectivists, the very idea of an internal locus of control or individual free will is anathema to you, but I know I don't control you or make you do things.  I'm not your keeper.  When you do something despicably evil, that's all you.

I'm fairly certain that they do this simply to troll you, not because they think it will cause you to reflect in any capacity. I did read this in Sevatar's voice if it makes you feel better.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2015, 09:10:44 PM

i wish i could catch feelings  :(

emotional butterfingers

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2015, 09:12:11 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_caucus-3194.html

 :dead at Walker's line

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brob on August 13, 2015, 09:12:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 13, 2015, 09:10:44 PM

i wish i could catch feelings  :(

emotional butterfingers

it helps if u press left right in the rhythm of the wobble

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 13, 2015, 09:14:22 PM

Quote

EAST LANSING, Michigan --- Donald Trump is leading his Republican challengers among those who would
vote in the Michigan GOP Presidential Primary next year according to a Mitchell Poll of Michigan conducted
last night. Trump with 20% leads Carly Fiorina at 15% with Jeb Bush and Ben Carson tied for third place at
12%. Marco Rubio is fourth at 10% with Ted Cruz and John Kasich both at 8% tied for fifth. Chris Christie,
Mike Huckabee and Scott Walker are all at 4% with Rand Paul in last place at 2%.

:badass

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 13, 2015, 11:19:46 PM

Really surprised Walker is so low in Michigan tbh. It's still early though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Oblivion on August 13, 2015, 11:25:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 12, 2015, 03:11:27 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on August 12, 2015, 03:00:43 PM

Which is probably around 6 months, which matches up with the laws most states have on the books. And nearly all abortions happen well before the 6 month mark.

This reminds me of some stuff I read a month or so back in some policy book, most of Europe is more restrictive than the "average" U.S. state because of federal rulings.

One article I grabbed from a quick google search: http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/in-liberal-europe-abortion-laws-come-with-their-own-restrictions/278350/

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In Germany, women seeking first-trimester abortions are subject to a mandatory three-day waiting period and a counseling session. Abortions after the first 12 weeks of pregnancy are forbidden except in cases of grave threat to the mother's physical or mental health. The Netherlands mandates a five-day waiting period between initial consultation and abortion; clinics must provide women with information about abortion alternatives. Abortion is then legal until viability (legally defined as 24 weeks, usually interpreted as 22 weeks). In Belgium, where abortion was illegal until 1990, there's a six-day waiting period and the woman must claim to be in "a state of distress" before receiving a first-trimester abortion.

Many Western European countries have what might seem like odd requirements and exceptions to their abortion laws.

In Finland (home of the now-famous Finnish baby boxes and other enviable government benefits), abortion is available up to 12 weeks of pregnancy, unless the woman is under 17 years old, in which case she may have an abortion until she's 20 weeks pregnant. But even for early abortions, women must provide a "social reason" for seeking to terminate her pregnancy, such as poverty, extreme distress, or already having at least four children. While in practice most abortion requests are granted, it still forces women to prove to an authority the validity of their desire not to have a baby. In Denmark, abortion is available on demand up to 12 weeks of pregnancy. Afterward, exceptions are made for cases of rape, threats to the woman's physical or mental health, risk of fetal defects, and -- revealingly -- in cases where the woman can demonstrate lack of financial resources to care for a child.

Israel (though not part of Europe, obviously) has similarly idiosyncratic requirements and restrictions. Though 93 percent of American Jews support abortion rights in all or most cases, and the Torah has little to say about abortion, the Jewish state of Israel has fairly heavy-handed abortion laws. Abortion is illegal for married women between ages 17 and 40, except in cases of rape, incest, fetal malformation, or risk to the mother's physical or mental health. Women eligible for abortions (the unmarried ones, that is) must submit to ultrasounds, wade through rivers of paperwork, and plead their case to an expert.

Eastern Europe, a stronghold of liberal abortion laws under Communism, has become increasingly strict of late. Russia recently passed a law restricting abortion to the first 12 weeks of pregnancy, and Russian clinics are also now forced to give (medically dubious) warnings about the health risks of abortion, which supposedly include cancer and infertility. After the fall of the USSR, Poland enacted some of Europe's strictest abortion laws , banning the procedure except in cases of rape, fetal malformation, or serious threats to the woman's health. The Ukraine is currently threatening to follow suit.

Quote

Sweden
Since 1974, abortion has been legal in Sweden in all circumstances within the first 18 weeks of pregnancy. After this point, abortions are only permissible to save the life or physical health of the mother, or if approval is granted by the National Board of Health and Welfare.

Quote

Ireland
The Offenses Against the Person Act of 1861 (originally enacted by the United Kingdom but parts of which are still active in Ireland) banned abortion in all circumstances. Later court decisions established an exception to save the mother’s life. In 1983, a constitutional amendment strengthened the country’s abortion restrictions by establishing a fetus’s right to life, equating it with a woman’s right to life. The lack of access to abortion garnered attention in 1992 when a 14-year-old rape victim sought to travel to Great Britain to terminate her pregnancy. She was permitted to travel to Great Britain for this purpose only after the Irish Supreme Court ruled that requiring the girl to have the child might lead her to commit suicide. According to experts, each year more than 7,000 Irish women travel to Great Britain to receive abortions.

Have a free interactive WEB FOUR POINT OH map: http://worldabortionlaws.com/

Wow, so much for them librul European countries.  :swisscry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 12:20:40 AM

Quote from: http://pjmedia.com/diaryofamadvoter/2015/08/11/why-hillary-supports-the-iran-deal/?singlepage=true

Notice Clinton doesn’t address the specifics of the deal at all, as opposed to Chuck Schumer who did so at considerable length in his rejection of the pact.  It’s virtually impossible to support rationally this absurd agreement in which the U.S. gave in on practically everything and then donated $150 billion to the ayatollahs for the privilege of doing so.

Nevertheless, Hillary has no choice but to support it for two reasons. One: Bernie Sanders is backing it and he is getting all the popular attention on the Democratic side.  But that’s minor and perhaps transitory.  The major reason is clear and deserves a separate paragraph.

Hillary Clinton is in such deep legal trouble over her emails that she needs the backing of Obama to survive.  He controls the attorney general’s office and therefore he controls Hillary (and her freedom) as long as he is president. Everything she says and does in the presidential campaign must be viewed against this reality.  This is further enhanced by her need to hold together Obama’s electoral coalition.  But that’s the least of it compared to having erased 32,000 emails, most of which were undoubtedly government property, and done who-knows-what to the server, something that not even Nixon would ever have dreamed of.

Meanwhile,  Hillary’s — and other Democrats’ — support for the Iran deal has now basically been reduced to this: It may not be a terrific, but we’re stuck with it and it would be a huge embarrassment to vote it down now.  Moreover, the sanctions could never be reinstated, so what’s the point?  Oh, and by the way, if you don’t agree, you’re a warmonger.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 12:22:05 AM

To: Interested Parties
From: Robby Mook, Campaign Manager, Hillary for America
RE: State of the Race, Summer 2015 (http://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/2271396/final-mook-memo-state-of-race-1-1.pdf)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2015, 12:34:03 AM

JD, all you've been doing is insulting people and saying your viewpoint is so obviously and objectively true that it doesn't need explanation, much less argument (so anyone disagreeing is a moral monster or an imbecile).  It's been your M.O. for a few years now at least.

You can post however you want but it's not realistic to expect sincere, considered responses to that approach.  Surely you can understand this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 14, 2015, 12:37:13 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 13, 2015, 09:10:44 PM

i wish i could catch feelings  :(

emotional butterfingers

I actually think it's kind of obvious when you catch feelings, benj.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 14, 2015, 12:38:41 AM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 13, 2015, 06:40:40 PM

is there such a thing as concern stanning? because cap'n dilbert's got that on LOCKDOWN

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius#

"Don't hate the playa, hate the game ..."


It reminds me of a post I made one time admiring L. Ron Hubbard.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 12:41:47 AM

Quote from: Mandark on August 14, 2015, 12:37:13 AM

I actually think it's kind of obvious when you catch feelings, benj.

Because it's so constantly?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 01:08:28 AM

Were they about Civil War?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Trent Dole on August 14, 2015, 01:57:15 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 13, 2015, 08:12:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Oblivion on August 14, 2015, 05:10:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8bVKt25YdE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2015, 09:06:05 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on August 14, 2015, 05:10:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8bVKt25YdE

:bow The Running Man OST :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 10:33:44 AM

The hits keep coming for Jeb!

http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/2015/8/13/jesse-ventura-jeb-bush-sent-me-a-box-of-cuban-cigars

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Former Minnesota governor Jesse Ventura said Thursday he was "astounded" that Jeb Bush's campaign would deny a decades-old gift of Cuban cigars.

The controversy centers on a box of Romeo y Julieta cigars Bush gave Ventura after a meeting of governors at the White House, where Ventura complained to then-president Bill Clinton about the “ridiculous” Cuban embargo and how it should be lifted.

Ventura, who recounted the story Wednesday on his Ora.TV “Off the Grid” show, said the gift was ironic, since Bush supported the embargo.

Bush’s presidential campaign denied the claim, saying the cigars weren’t from Cuba.

“The cigars were Dominican,” Bush spokeswoman Kristy Campell told POLITICO, echoing comments the campaign made to McClatchy, which first reported the story.

Ventura told POLITICO that Bush’s campaign isn’t being honest.

“What happened to the truth?” Ventura said in a phone interview. “They’re trying to say that he sent me a box of Dominicans? I’m astounded by that. Why would they send me a box of Dominican cigars when I could go buy them in any cigar shop?”

Ventura, echoing comments on his show, said the gift — and now the denial — speak to problems with Bush’s campaign.

“Come on. You’re even going to cover this up? You’re going to deny a box of cigars, like what: that’s going to determine the election? It’s a simple and true story,” Ventura said. “I guess the point that I’m making is elites live by a different set of rules than all the rest of us because they can get Cuban cigars, clearly, when the rest of us can’t.”

...

“I hate to feel like a criminal every time I go to smoke a Cuban cigar,” Ventura said he told the president. “Jeb approached me and told me to keep it down.”

“Don’t bring that up, I don’t want that up. I’ll send you all the Cuban cigars you need,” Bush said privately to his Minnesota counterpart, according to Ventura. Ventura said he later walked over to Bush and put an empty aluminum Romeo y Julieta cigar tube in the Florida governor’s top pocket and said “there’s my brand.”

Ventura said that, 10 days later, “I got a box of Romeo Julieta Cubans delivered to the Capitol in Minnesota.”

Is there a chance that the cigars he got were actually from the Dominican Republic?

“No,” Ventura told POLITICO. “The cigar box was sealed and the cigars each came in a silver tube that said ‘Cuba’ on the side.’”

“How would Jeb be able to get his hands on a box of Cuban illegal cigars?” Ventura asked. “It shows the embargo isn’t working.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 14, 2015, 10:34:59 AM

Trumpmerica

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2015, 10:37:45 AM

Since we're talking about Jeb:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-saddam-hussein-good-deal

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush (R) said on Thursday during a campaign stop in Iowa that "taking out Saddam Hussein turned out to be a pretty good deal," according to multiple reports.

(http://i.imgur.com/q7xqCco.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 10:39:42 AM

http://feelthebern.org/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2015, 10:54:43 AM

Regardless of whether you agree with Bernie, his site is really, really good. Easy to navigate and very in-depth on each issue highlighted [also includes lots of outside links], instead of just a few blurbs like pretty much every other candidate's site.

Edit: Oh, that's not his official site? Huh, figured it was with how well it was put together. His actual site is still pretty good, though, one of the better ones.

Edit 2: Rick Perry's is probably the worst. This is the entirety of his "Issues" page:

Quote

Expanding Opportunity For All
If we want to live up to that timeless American commitment – to expand opportunity for all who come after us – we need to do big things.

ECONOMIC GROWTH
We need to grow the economy, so that every American can find work, and that those who already have work can earn more.

LOWER TAXES
We need to make life more affordable, by helping Americans keep more of what they earn, and by lowering the cost of everyday expenses.

RETIRE THE DEBT
We need to retire the federal debt, in order to protect the safety net for the most vulnerable, and to ensure that our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren can enjoy the prosperity, security, and freedom that we have promised them.

NATIONAL SECURITY
We need to make America safer and stronger by rebuilding our military, and working with our allies to promote peace, prosperity, and tolerance around the world. The federal government also needs to do its constitutional duty and secure the border once and for all.

STOP SPECIAL INTERESTS & BIG GOVERNMENT
We need to end the culture of cronyism and bailouts, a culture that caters to politically- connected people and politically-connected businesses at the expense of small enterprises and average Americans.

:rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 14, 2015, 11:01:54 AM

The only "Bern" I want to feel is in Switzerland. #freekarakand

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 14, 2015, 11:04:05 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2015, 10:54:43 AM

Regardless of whether you agree with Bernie, his site is really, really good. Easy to navigate and very in-depth on each issue highlighted [also includes lots of outside links], instead of just a few blurbs like pretty much every other candidate's site.

Edit: Rick Perry's is probably the worst. This is the entirety of his "Issues" page:

Quote

Expanding Opportunity For All
If we want to live up to that timeless American commitment – to expand opportunity for all who come after us – we need to do big things.

ECONOMIC GROWTH
We need to grow the economy, so that every American can find work, and that those who already have work can earn more.

LOWER TAXES
We need to make life more affordable, by helping Americans keep more of what they earn, and by lowering the cost of everyday expenses.

RETIRE THE DEBT
We need to retire the federal debt, in order to protect the safety net for the most vulnerable, and to ensure that our children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren can enjoy the prosperity, security, and freedom that we have promised them.

NATIONAL SECURITY
We need to make America safer and stronger by rebuilding our military, and working with our allies to promote peace, prosperity, and tolerance around the world. The federal government also needs to do its constitutional duty and secure the border once and for all.

STOP SPECIAL INTERESTS & BIG GOVERNMENT
We need to end the culture of cronyism and bailouts, a culture that caters to politically- connected people and politically-connected businesses at the expense of small enterprises and average Americans.

:rofl

Don't focus on the negatives, focus on the his new image.
Namely the glasses.

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/140227202405-rick-perry-story-top.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 14, 2015, 02:07:30 PM

I love it

"We need to expand opportunity! We need to retire the debt! We need to do big things! Now go and cut funding and lower taxes!"
Also,
"We need to stop special interest! Now go and expand national security!"

It's like saying "I need to protect my chastity! Now off I go to the gangbang!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 14, 2015, 03:34:02 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 14, 2015, 02:07:30 PM

I love it

"We need to expand opportunity! We need to retire the debt! We need to do big things! Now go and cut funding and lower taxes!"
Also,
"We need to stop special interest! Now go and expand national security!"

It's like saying "I need to protect my chastity! Now off I go to the gangbang!"

Cuckservatives brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 09:49:43 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 14, 2015, 02:07:30 PM

It's like saying "I need to protect my chastity! Now off I go to the gangbang!"

Go on...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 09:58:55 PM

 :drudge BREAKING: Ron Paul endorses Rand Paul for President :drudge

Quote

Rand is the ONLY one in the race who is standing up for your Liberty, across the board....he is our best hope to restore liberty, limited government and the Bill of Rights and finally end the big spending status quo in Washington, D.C....

Remember, truth is treason in the empire of lies. And nowhere is that more true than when it comes to Washington, D.C. and their media mouthpieces.

Even where Rand and I do have minor differences of opinion, I would take Rand's position over any of his opponents' in both parties every time....

There is not one candidate who has run for president in my lifetime who can say they fully share my commitment to liberty, Austrian economics, small government, and following the Constitution, [more] than my son, Rand Paul.

That's why I have wholeheartedly endorsed him.

I know the media likes to play this little game where they pit us, or certain views, against each other.

Don't fall for it. They're trying to manufacture storylines at liberty's expense. You've spent years seeing how the media treated me. They aren't my friends and they aren't yours.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 14, 2015, 10:02:41 PM

But I don't own a Jeep Liberty, and even if I did, I wouldn't need Rand Paul to stick up for it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 10:37:04 PM

You'll be sorry when you break down in Somalia.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 15, 2015, 02:25:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 10:37:04 PM

You'll be sorry when you break down in Somalia.

Is that what they're calling Kentucky these days?

:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2015, 04:36:25 AM

How to remedy America’s social ills? Exercise the mind’s power to choose, says Ben Carson (http://thehill.com/opinion/opinion/251101-ben-carson-how-to-resolve-americas-social-ills-exercise-the-minds-power-to)

Quote from: Ben Carson

Although most of my professional career has been dedicated to studying the physiological dimensions of the human brain, I have always been fascinated with the role that the human psyche plays in our perceptions of ourselves and the world around us. So much so, in fact, that as an undergraduate I majored in psychology and at one point strongly considered becoming a psychiatrist, before ultimately making a decision to pursue a specialization in neurosurgery. I mention this because it frames the discussion that I want to begin about the dimensions of the problem of race in this country, and what I see as the best approach to transcending race as an issue that divides us and prevents us from moving forward as one nation under God.

As a child growing up in a poor family headed by a single mother in the inner city of Detroit, I became intimately familiar with some of the social pathologies that plague these communities: Poverty, poor education, criminal recidivism and involvement with the prison system, and the pernicious cycle of teenage motherhood. Like many of today’s inner-city youths, I too faced a situation in which I did not have an abundance of positive male role models. And during those times, there was certainly no well-trodden path from the mean streets of Detroit to college and a successful career as a neurosurgeon.

But there were certain intervening events that were pivotal in helping to change the course of my life.

The first was that my mother, who could barely read herself, forbid my brother and me from watching television and insisted instead that we read books. Reading opened up whole new worlds for me, and both fertilized my imagination and fueled my aspiration to go beyond the confines of my physical environment. The second major intervening event was my acceptance of the wisdom of God. An incident in which I attempted to stab a classmate out of anger forced me to confront a dysfunctional attitude that, if unchecked, would impede my ability to succeed in school or realize my dream of one day becoming a doctor. I prayed to God to guide me in becoming more tolerant and forbearing.

There were certainly other societal and institutional dynamics that contributed to the course my life would take. My mother did, from time to time, accept welfare assistance when ends did not meet — but she also worked two or three jobs and was ingeniously resourceful. And societal changes concurrent with the civil rights movement helped to break down barriers and open doors for me that might not have otherwise been available.

But the major factor in how my life has turned out was — and is — my attitude and ability to choose the object of my concentration.

My views on race in this country start from that perspective. While I advocate for a colorblind society, I am by no means blind to the reality of racism. But again it comes down to a matter of focus. I believe that if we focus on what divides us rather than what unites us, we impede our ability to transcend differences and work together constructively toward a better future for all Americans.

I realize that the government can play a role in providing a social safety net, and it is one of the things that I really love about our country. But I am much more focused on how high we can rise than how far we can fall. The government has spent more than $19 trillion by some estimates on the “war on poverty” since 1965. And yet the social pathologies plaguing our society are far worse today than they were when I was a child growing up in Detroit. This points to the fact that the progressive model has largely failed — and it is past time that we try something new.

My view is that, rather than attempting to fight against poverty, we should be encouraging growth. The mental shift may be subtle, but it has profound implications for how we approach public policy. The assumption that people are “poor” grounds them in a mentality that reduces agency and creates more dependency. And more tragically, it obscures the reality that there is an abundance of opportunity that is ready for people who want to avail themselves of it.

And so my focus of my efforts — through the Carson Scholars foundation and in countless speeches before young inner-city audiences over the years — is to open the doors to possibility. The desire to do something provides the seed for its ultimate fruition. As a society we should, by nurturing that desire through programs and policies that invest in people, encourage them to achieve their God-given potential.

This calls for a new model in public policy that departs from the traditional progressive model. What I am advocating is that civil society — including the corporate sector, education community, the religious establishment and philanthropic institutions —invest in people, to empower them with tools in the form of education and character development, role models, and concrete pathways into productive and rewarding work.

The dilemmas of race and entrenched, intergenerational poverty have proven intractable despite the mountains of money that have been poured into solving them over the past 50 years. Moving beyond them will require a paradigm shift from focusing on attacking the problems to creating conditions that foster opportunity and growth.

I've heard this before somewhere.

I hope someone attacks him for saying America can't do both!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2015, 04:53:51 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/65LAT1j.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: toku on August 15, 2015, 04:57:44 AM

https://youtu.be/fnfDXznMf0E

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 15, 2015, 06:05:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 10:37:04 PM

You'll be sorry when you break down in Somalia.

I knew I shouldn't have bought American. :fbm

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2015, 05:41:00 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kiVpnxq.jpg)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-iowa-state-fair-helicopter-rides

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barraco Barner on August 15, 2015, 08:36:04 PM

(http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/16dowd/16dowd-master675.jpg)

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/16/opinion/sunday/introducing-donald-trump-diplomat.html

On Scott Walker

Quote

He gave me a plaque and everything is nice. And I like him. And then about a week ago one of his guys came up and said that Donald Trump is full of it. I said ‘Thank you so much. Now I can hit him.’ I hit Scott so hard. I said his state was a disaster. So there’s a lot of power there. He went from Number 1 to Number 4 in Iowa. I went to Number 1.

On Rand Paul

Quote

Tiny little guy. Did you see the press release I put out about Rand Paul? Pretty brutal, right? A nasty, nasty guy. I gave him a lot of money for his eye center. I played golf with him. I’m a good golfer. I’ve won 18 club championships. And he’s a golfer and I killed him. I could play him a thousand times and never lose to him.

On Twitter

Quote

The nice thing about Twitter, in the old days when I got attacked it would take me years to get even with somebody, now when I’m attacked I can do it instantaneously, and it has a lot of power. You see some genius statements on Twitter. You see some statements coming out which are Ernest Hemingway times two.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2015, 08:47:46 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 15, 2015, 06:05:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 14, 2015, 10:37:04 PM

You'll be sorry when you break down in Somalia.

I knew I shouldn't have bought American. :fbm

(http://i.imgur.com/bbTV1Ao.png) (http://i.imgur.com/kfceGyj.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 15, 2015, 09:13:01 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 13, 2015, 04:37:23 AM

Quote from: chronovore on August 12, 2015, 11:48:32 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 12, 2015, 02:02:37 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 12, 2015, 01:58:28 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 12, 2015, 01:55:07 PM

Does a forensic medical exam / criminal investigation accompany every death of a born human?  No?  Oh, okay then.

That was a nice point you tried to have.  Unfortunately, it was never going to make it.  Don't blame yourself, I'm sure you did your best, but these things happen.

(http://i.imgur.com/m8FHn.gif)

Mucus abortion. All those clumps of live cells aggressively murdered.  Why don't people think of the boogers?:brazilcry

(http://i.imgur.com/WgtuRNZ.jpg)

I'm sorry, did I say you were this way because you were stupid?  I didn't mean to disparage the merely stupid, as you're fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.

(http://i.imgur.com/qZRV0Re.gif) (http://i.imgur.com/0Kn4MvM.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 15, 2015, 09:27:51 PM

Asks for sympathy for fetuses then makes fun of distinguished mentally-challenged people.

(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-30325-bunk-moreland-cigar-gif-Imgur-weiW.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 15, 2015, 10:02:08 PM

Quote

I could play him a thousand times and never lose to him.

Calm and resolved from a thousand hypothetical results. :punch

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2015, 10:23:12 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/15/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-iowa-state-fair/index.html

:gddr5 :drudge Trump isn't even doing Iowa right. Won't someone think of the barefoot corn shuckers? :gddr5 :drudge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barraco Barner on August 15, 2015, 10:52:56 PM

Quote

Not everyone at the fair was impressed by the candidates. One man, who watched Trump's jet fly over their campground Saturday morning, shrugged at the presence of the former secretary of state and real estate magnate here -- and made no effort to meet them.

"What difference does it make?" he said, adding that he has no plans to caucus but didn't want to give his name when discussing politics. "It's all about the money anyway."

His recommendation to future fairgoers was to steer clear of the candidates, and head to this year's novelty: the 27 degree beer tent.

"You put it in a Styrofoam cup and it stays cold," he marveled. "It's really weird for the state fair to have cold beer. It's usually lukewarm."

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2015, 11:08:40 PM

What a time to be alive.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 11:45:18 AM

In case you forgot how gross Huckabee is..

http://time.com/3999799/mike-huckabee-abortion-rape/

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GOP presidential candidate and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said that he supports the decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim in Paraguay.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 17, 2015, 12:15:39 PM

whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa.

I try to stay out of these sort of unsolvable 'chicken-or-egg' moral arguments. How many people have ever been swayed by so much keyboard prattling? But here I gotta draw a line.

Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2015, 12:01:13 PM

The 10 year old's in good condition.  The newborn's in good condition.  The likely rapist is in jail awaiting trial. 

Given the situation, there really wasn't a more ideal resolution. 

And if you're still all that sore about it, I suppose you could just pay someone to kill the baby; it's not like the act is any different now than a few weeks ago.

Nobody could have known that delivering that child wouldn't have killed her. That child's health was put at risk, at high risk to preserve the life of her fetus, a fetus that could have developed any sort of life threatening problems to itself anyway due to the extreme young age of its mother.

If that kid was dead, and the baby lived could you still say that? Or if the child and her baby died somewhere along the way could you. Just because they're both healthy now, well, that's just pure frigging luck it turned out that way. There was a chance, a really good chance, that things could have gone sideways very badly for both of them. I don't personally find a dice roll to be acceptable in making decisions over the life a person.

I'm just saying I think there was a pretty strong moral argument that this 10-year-old-girl should not have been forced to undergo the high risk to her own health and livelyhood just to deliver a baby that likely would have had problematic odds anyway. That's massively effed up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2015, 12:16:37 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2015, 12:01:13 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 11:45:18 AM

In case you forgot how gross Huckabee is..

http://time.com/3999799/mike-huckabee-abortion-rape/

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GOP presidential candidate and former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee said that he supports the decision to deny an abortion to a 10-year-old rape victim in Paraguay.

No, I didn't forget how shitty and inhumane you are.



The 10 year old's in good condition.  The newborn's in good condition.  The likely rapist is in jail awaiting trial. 

Given the situation, there really wasn't a more ideal resolution. 

And if you're still all that sore about it, I suppose you could just pay someone to kill the baby; it's not like the act is any different now than a few weeks ago.

Yeah, we've all read Evangelium Vitae, but how do you feel about it also condemning capital punishment?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 12:18:09 PM

I'm sure a 10 year old being raped, getting pregnant and being forced to stay that way, then birth a baby, is in "good condition" now.

Ideal solution.

 ::)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 17, 2015, 12:28:10 PM

Seriously, JD? A 10 year old girl's life being put at risk and forcing that 10 year old girl to endure the extreme mental and physical stress of carrying a child that was a direct result of a violent crime is okay with you? I would think you, who supports individual rights, who seeks to strip humanity of those who commit crimes, could see this baby as an illegal invader to this poor young girl and devoid of rights by your own standards. Do you just not think women or in this case very young girls have any right over their own bodies? It seems you view the female gender as enslaved by reproduction

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 12:30:25 PM

I love how anti-abortionists like JD are always yelling child this, child that, then think a raped child should be forced to undergo a pregnancy and a birth.

 :comeon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mupepe on August 17, 2015, 12:50:27 PM

If she didn't want to have a child she should have not gotten raped.  Simple as that.  Another problem that's solved with more guns.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Broseidon on August 17, 2015, 01:53:16 PM

As someone who values freedom and individual liberty, I don't think it's right that the state can tell people what to do with their own bodies :wag

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Besides if the unborn person wants to survive then it should do so in a situation where it isn't being a parasite on the life and body of another person against that person's will. Just like every other human being, the statist false concept of "society" doesn't owe it a living (http://i.imgur.com/OTcW6yF.gif)

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2015, 02:23:42 PM

Maybe fetuses wouldn't be aborted if they exercised their second amendment rights.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 07:56:38 PM

why are humoring a person whose weird dogma assumes that a unique human dna combination = a human life?

i mean, a corpse is a collection of unique human dna. should we preserve corpses in anticipation of the time when science can clone them?

not everyone agrees that a zygote is a human, what with lacking many of the characteristics we ascribe to HUMAN life.

potentiality of an actual existence as a human is hardly a black and white issue. it's not a place for convenient and arbitrary dogma. me, i favor the well-being developed human organism over the quasi-religious sanctity of a "potential" human. go further than that, and it starts to smell like the usual garage around "sin"...

edit: removed redundancy. happy?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:01:16 PM

hey, and then there are those who can't even read. look, if a human to you is JUST a particular protein structure regardless of state, congratulations: you really HAVE avoided reading your entire life.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 17, 2015, 08:08:15 PM

So JayDubya is content to sit behind his keyboard while people are being murdered on an industrial scale through IVF? How can he live with himself?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:10:45 PM

many of the cells in "dead" bodies have potentiality for life, or for mere existence in some state as an organism, at least as you define it. i can grow a living ear in auger. if i kill it, is it murder? are we going to color up your dogma by suggesting a certain level of "completeness" for a human?

your argument boils down to the POTENTIALITY of becoming human, regardless of whether the biochemical state of the organism lacks ANY of the characteristics we would classically assign to life as a human. me, you aren't a human until you can fear the loss of your life. that's when killing becomes murder.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:14:55 PM

any standard IS arbitrary. morals are consensus, no matter how much you despise that. welcome to humanity, brah

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 08:18:42 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2015, 08:04:00 PM

"A human" aka "a human being" is an organism of the species Homo sapiens.

I feel the way you use those terms interchangeably is a pretty telling microcosm of the way you elide the gap between biology* and morality/philosophy.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*Keeping in mind that the definition of life, even within biological studies, is not a fact, but rather a concept.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 08:23:54 PM

Fisking?

FOH 2002 blogosphere.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:24:57 PM

well, what is this "science" if not irrefutable proof of divine intent and anthrocentrism, he wonders before pissing his pants

somehow i suspect this is going to lead into jaydubya's assertion of inherent rights and some tortured misappropriation of scientific terms and/or naive insistence on "objective" terminology to justify it

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 08:26:36 PM

So there's no difference between biology and morality/philosophy?

Whaaaaaa?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:26:43 PM

is a homo sapiens without an arm a human? how about one without a brain? or is just a brain?

hell, a zygote hardly has anything approximating a complete body (or a brain), and when you remove it from its mother, it dies

and bro, you've been calling everyone who suggests abortion scenarios "murderers" so i got NO idea where th' fuck yer going with this

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 17, 2015, 08:26:45 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:24:57 PM

well, what is this "science" if not irrefutable proof of divine intent and anthrocentrism, he wonders before pissing his pants

somehow i suspect this is going to lead into jaydubya's assertion of inherent rights and some tortured misappropriation of scientific terms and/or naive insistence on "objective" terminology to justify it

Can we skip ahead to the part where inherent rights exist because they do? That's always my favorite part.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:28:28 PM

i was trying to get him to that point but this business conduct video is ironically more interesting

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 08:28:46 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:26:43 PM

is a homo sapiens without an arm a human? how about one without a brain? or is just a brain?

hell, a zygote hardly has anything approximating a complete body, and when you remove it from its mother, it dies

and bro, you've been calling everyone who suggests abortion scenarios "murderers" so i got NO idea where th' fuck yer going with this

It's weird that he won't call us murderers for non procreative sex though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:34:31 PM

a skin cell is a potential human. or would you argue that cloning humans is fundamentally impossible? is scraping tissue cells acceptable until cloning a complete homo sapiens is possible, and then it becomes murder/killing?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 17, 2015, 08:36:19 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 08:26:36 PM

So there's no difference between biology and morality/philosophy?

Whaaaaaa?

Can we talk about how Joe Morgan is, like, soooo dumb and how VORP is a meaningful statistic next? :hyper

E: sorry, meant to quote the post about Fisking.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:37:04 PM

by choosing to have sex without procreation, we are ending the possibility of a human life! ALL SLUTS ARE KILLERS

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 08:39:52 PM

Jesus fisking Christ the "warblogs" of the early aughts are back.  Steven Den Beste, Charles Johnson, Josh Trevino, Glenn Reynolds, they are all rising out of their graves.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 08:42:47 PM

so again, you're all about the potentiality of "human life", and its current state of existence is meaningless? jesus, how many times do we spin this wheel?

this is all reading very religious to me

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 08:46:37 PM

Why is disposing of something without any sort of consciousness and in its cellular stage more important than assisting in the alleviation of suffering of a person in the here and now?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 08:54:17 PM

Lemme rephrase what Drinky's getting at here.

Why should we set the moral boundary for human life (with all the rights/protections/etc. that entails) at a certain combination of DNA, rather than the presence of an active neurological system or some other criteria?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 08:54:56 PM

I don't consider basically being a cluster of cells with no consciousness arbitrary, especially when compared with a thinking feeling individual outside the womb.

Like what does forcing a child to be pregnant and have a baby do other than impose needless suffering on that individual?

I'd say where you draw the line is the most arbitrary, before the life is even viable. Do you just think women/girls are some kind of creature that's in servitude to having babies against their will? Is that all we are? Really? And we're the villains in all this?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 09:00:12 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2015, 08:57:21 PM

If all the criteria are arbitrary, dismiss the criteria and go with when you have a human life, as is scientifically the case from the moment the organism's lifespan begins.

You never did explain to us how the state of human life was scientifically determined.

I imagine this would have been a very famous series of experiments, since it pinpointed such an important phenomenon.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 09:06:55 PM

A human being by your definition has died in me a couple times already I'm sure. Fertilized embryos failing to implant and all.

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 17, 2015, 09:09:37 PM

What's "natural" to humans?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2015, 09:18:23 PM

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Obama's Iran nuclear deal rhetoric troubles American Jews

Washington (CNN)Some prominent members of the American Jewish community are increasingly worried that the rhetoric the Obama administration is using to defend the Iran deal could fuel a backlash against Jews.

In recent days, President Barack Obama has repeatedly charged that opponents of the deal are pushing for war with Iran as they did in Iraq and has decried the well-funded lobbying campaign behind them.

The White House says Obama is simply offering what he regards as a stark truth about the options facing lawmakers and what he's up against.

But American Jewish organizations -- who maintain the President himself isn't intentionally fueling stereotypes -- say the themes concern their members, who are sensitive to any suggestion of Jews' warmongering or placing ties to Israel over the interests of the United States.

Abraham Foxman, until recently the head of the Anti-Defamation League, which combats racism and anti-Semitism, said the language Obama is using could end up "fueling and legitimizing anti-Semitic stereotypes out there that Jews are warmongers."

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"The lobbying that is taking place on the other side is fierce, it is well-financed, it is relentless," he told them. "And in the absence of your voices, you are going to see the same array of forces that got us into the Iraq War, leading to a situation in which we forgo a historic opportunity and we are back on the path of potential military conflict."

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"I know the President, I've heard him, I've met him. I don't think any of it is intentional," he said. But he added, "Some of us in the community are troubled the messaging will be used and abused by bigots."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/10/politics/jewish-concern-obama-rhetoric-iran-nuclear-deal/

:snoop you gotta be shitting me

Mandark explain
 :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 09:31:59 PM

lol abe foxman

Third subhead: "American Jews support deal"

Also good to hear from Republican Jewish Coalition.  Though they're probably still just pissy since the ONE Jewish Republican member of Congress got primaried, so I'll let them vent.


edit: Upon further research, Lee Zelding of Nevada has picked up the torch from Eric Cantor.  I retract my statement as the GOP still has one Jewish member of the House.  THE DREAM IS ALIVE.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2015, 10:09:34 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 17, 2015, 08:08:15 PM

So JayDubya is content to sit behind his keyboard while people are being murdered on an industrial scale through IVF? How can he live with himself?

Among people disinclined to approve of either, you'd probably get a more visceral response asking them about Obamacare.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 17, 2015, 11:08:50 PM

all criteria ARE arbitrary. cultures endlessly negotiate and re-negotiate ALL morals, and the majority accedes to them -- and the cultures change thusly. some compromises sit better than others; your desire for an absolute is an abdication of your HUMAN responsibility to evaluate context. we take lives for all sorts of reasons our culture justifies and with which we feel quite okay about collectively: self-defense, war, punishment. your semantic absolutism re human life is just another bid in the negotiations, and one many people aren't buying in the slightest.

if a mother is threatened with death by her unborn child, is it self-defense to terminate the preganancy?  what if a mother is *merely* threatened with suffering? i can spin off permutations on these examples all day, while you fisk hoping to find some sense of security in an absolute answer.

much of what you say leads to an appeal to a nameless, perfect authority; or to some unproven inherent quality invested in a definition of "human" that seems very limited. what it means to be human will be endlessly negotiated; and if that seems arbitrary to you, maybe you aren't good at the give-and-take required for participation.

some of us understand that there are no absolutes; that every social decision in life requires context; and that some measure of equitable, moral practice must be found in nuance and compromise. dogma, on the other hand, profanes thought; and the presumption of absolute moral answers strips us all of our earned experience. it's the answer of terrified children who can't look LIFE in the eye, confront the fear of uncertainty, and say "we can only pay attention and do our best."

human existence is negotiation. some plea with hoped-for higher powers; some assert the privilege of an assumed rationality; and others still observe and consider before bidding in humility.

personally, i choose the permissiveness of doubt.

your call, broseph.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 17, 2015, 11:47:21 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 09:00:12 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2015, 08:57:21 PM

If all the criteria are arbitrary, dismiss the criteria and go with when you have a human life, as is scientifically the case from the moment the organism's lifespan begins.

You never did explain to us how the state of human life was scientifically determined.

I imagine this would have been a very famous series of experiments, since it pinpointed such an important phenomenon.

JayDubya is limply trying to craft out a non-religious argument against abortion.

The joke on him is that any person of faith's anti-abortion position is actually more epistemologically sound than his :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 12:05:06 AM

Let's take the example of biology. You will find concepts with a classifying function, concepts with a differentiating function, and concepts with an analytical function: some of them enable us to characterise objects, for example that of "tissue"; others to isolate elements, like that of "hereditary feature"; others to fix relations, such as that of "reflex". There are at the same time elements which play a role in the discourse and in the internal rules of the reasoning practice. But there also exist "peripheral" notions, those by which scientific practice designates itself, differentiates itself in relation to other practices, delimits its domain of objects, and designates what it considers to be the totality of its future tasks. The notion of life played this role to some extent in biology during a certain period.

In the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, the notion of life was hardly used in studying nature: one classified natural beings, whether living or non-living, in a vast hierarchical tableau which went from minerals to man; the break between the minerals and the plants or animals was relatively undecided; epistemologically it was only important to fix their positions once and for all in an indisputable way.
   
At the end of the eighteenth century, the description and analysis of these natural beings showed, through the use of more highly perfected instruments and the latest techniques, an entire domain of objects, an entire field of relations and processes which have enabled us to define the specificity of biology in the knowledge of nature. Can one say that research into life has finally constituted itself in biological science? Has the concept of life been responsible for the organisation of biological knowledge? I don't think so. It seems to me more likely that the transformations of biological knowledge at the end of the eighteenth century, were demonstrated on one hand by a whole series of new concepts for use in scientific discourse and on the other hand gave rise to a notion like that of life which has enabled us to designate, to delimit and to situate a certain type of scientific discourse, among other things. I would say that the notion of life is not a scientific concept; it has been an epistemological indicator of which the classifying, delimiting and other functions had an effect on scientific discussions, and not on what they were talking about.

:ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 18, 2015, 12:24:52 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 17, 2015, 08:29:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 17, 2015, 08:26:36 PM

So there's no difference between biology and morality/philosophy?

Between "a human" and "a human being."

By denotation, there is no difference.  Human can also be an adjective, as semantic-minded pro-aborts like to point out, but that is not the same thing.  A human skin cell is not a human.

But a fetal skin cell is? Jaydub's entire argument if you read the last couple of pages is:  I (jayduh) determine who get rights(fetal cells) and who does not(rapist's victims). Jaydub expressed that his family business is none of yours yet every women's womb is his. That is all you really need to know about him. That is why he holds the minority opinion.

Sucks to be the minority Jaydub. It's not like the US treats minorities as 2nd class citizens. Right?

Jaydub - The champion of the rapist's unborn. A title which I'm sure you'll cherish.

Freak

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 18, 2015, 09:27:45 AM

I wasn't shitfaced, but I had a good buzz going. Sorry for the name calling.  :)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: nachobro on August 18, 2015, 10:57:30 AM

This idiot seriously makes religious fundamentalist arguments against abortion look reasonable with all this bullshit he's spewing.  :lol

You need to be post-birth aborted, you're bringing down the collective intelligence of the world with this nonsense.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 18, 2015, 12:50:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8bVKt25YdE&feature=youtu.be&t=121

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2015, 01:01:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg-3TexZVoY

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 02:11:48 PM

As thrilling as the meaning of life and the gallery of fools jockeying for the GOP nomination are, it's time to talk about mildly stimulating topics.

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/7996104

To quote one of my favorite lines od Ilf and Petrov (when discussing tribal education on reservations), imperialism remains imperialism.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 03:50:33 PM

Trump's immigration platform includes changing the constitution to ban birthright citizenship. Scott Walker, Rand Paul, Rick Santorum, John Kasich, Bobby Jindal, and Lindsey Graham have now come out in support of the policy this week.

The death of the GOP continues.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2015, 04:02:05 PM

Makes Romney's "self-deportation" nonsense seem tame in comparison. If the GOP nominee gets more than 9% of the total Hispanic vote, I'll be shocked.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brob on August 18, 2015, 05:02:34 PM

https://twitter.com/BobbyJindal/status/633411114949345280

Trump could probably goad Jindal into eating at least one of his kids on camera imo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2015, 05:02:43 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 18, 2015, 02:11:48 PM

As thrilling as the meaning of life and the gallery of fools jockeying for the GOP nomination are, it's time to talk about mildly stimulating topics.

C'mon Kara.  You get plenty of space to banter about no1curr commie trivia without people trying to get the thread Back on Track.  You oughta be able to return the favor.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2015, 05:12:12 PM

Quote from: brob on August 18, 2015, 05:02:34 PM

https://twitter.com/BobbyJindal/status/633411114949345280

Trump could probably goad Jindal into eating at least one of his kids on camera imo

That's pretty funny coming from a guy whose parents came to America six months before he was born.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 05:15:49 PM

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And they may have to improve dramatically. For instance, in this analysis by Latino Decisions, under even the most absurdly optimistic scenario for Republicans — “that white voters consolidate behind the Republican Party at levels that were observed in 2014; that black participation and Democratic support returns to pre-Obama levels; and the expected growth in the Latino vote does not fully materialize” — the Republican candidate would need 42 percent of the Hispanic vote to win. As a point of comparison, according to exit polls Mitt Romney got 27 percent of Hispanic votes in 2012, while John McCain got 31 percent in 2008. Under a more likely scenario, with an electorate that votes something like in 2012 but with African-American turnout reduced, the Republican would need 47 percent of the Hispanic vote. In their worst-case scenario for Republicans — an electorate that votes identically to the way it did in 2012, but adjusted for changes in population — the Republican would need a stunning 52 percent of Hispanic votes.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2015/08/18/did-republicans-just-give-away-the-2016-election-by-raising-birthright-citizenship/

good luck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 05:18:41 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 18, 2015, 05:02:43 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 18, 2015, 02:11:48 PM

As thrilling as the meaning of life and the gallery of fools jockeying for the GOP nomination are, it's time to talk about mildly stimulating topics.

C'mon Kara.  You get plenty of space to banter about no1curr commie trivia without people trying to get the thread Back on Track.  You oughta be able to return the favor.

I more or less stayed out of both of those abortion debacles and let y'all have your fun. :yeshrug

Just trying to return the thread to normalcy from its sidetrack into being PoliGAF. :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2015, 05:27:54 PM

tbh "normalcy" in this thread is benji quoting comment sections and nobody wanting to talk outside the usual three of four people and it kinda sucks.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 05:35:32 PM

You forgot benji posting articles from the fringest of the fringe conservative websites. :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 05:46:42 PM

yeah, step up the drama, people.

let's see, what noxious beliefs do i hold:

- i'm still really on the fence re gun control
- i try to be a decent ally but i really don't get "ableism" or other current fringe intersectionalism, largely because i still want to mock furries and spergs
- i laugh at racist jokes despite my horror (god i wish there were better jokes about white people)
- i want to support environmentalism but GOD trolling hipster urban ecowarriors is just so. fucking. delicious
- i still say "distinguished mentally-challenged fellow"
- i like miller lite better than any craft beer
- i think listicles are okay
- oh, and as a sop to jaydubya, i'm not comfortable with abortions after the first trimester, although unlike him, i'm willing to allow those that hafta make the brutal decision the opportunity to make their particular case and deal with their own consequences

LET'S GO, GENTS! open season on drinky!
-

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 05:55:52 PM

i was watching old dave chappelle routines last night and the best jokes (read: the most cruel and painful and therefore the most likely to make horrible me laugh) are when all whites are characterized as ignorant hillfolk or meth-addled cultural desperados.

i don't think white people are quite as butthurt when you stereotype them as "uptight middle-class prissies" -- that's kinda our "fried chicken".

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 18, 2015, 05:58:00 PM

Once I feared the venom of Drinky Crow, but now I only admire the consciousness of Van Cruncheon. Die a villain or survive long enough to become relatable  :goty

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 06:01:54 PM

On the one hand, gun proliferation is bad. Additionally so when the people who make them easier to get than medical treatment rarely have to face the consequences of their behavior (namely urban war zones that generally are a consequence of prohibition).

On the other hand, disarming minorities seems pretty shitty.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:02:31 PM

i got old, man. i got old. i can still summon the hate as a few facebook turds can attest, but man, it's gotta be some epic-level delusional dumb to get my juices flowin'. lightweights like jaydubya just inspire moderate concern. :-(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 18, 2015, 06:07:48 PM

I think white people are the only racial group that are bored of themselves. Not much pride or self-loathing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2015, 06:11:55 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on August 18, 2015, 06:07:48 PM

I think white people are the only racial group that are bored of themselves. Not much pride or self-loathing.

(http://i.imgur.com/pY02HcV.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brob on August 18, 2015, 06:13:54 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CMuRsI3UkAASsBL.mp4

 some enterprising borean makes a :shrug out of this please

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 06:17:24 PM

You were born in a racist, prejudiced world and unless you think dopey stuff like "nature not nurture" you have to accept that you will always have some level of prejudice that you can't excise out of yourself as a result of that. This is the true importance of teh kulturkampf-Zzz, creating the conditions wherein prejudiced people like us don't have to exist, not necessarily "fixing" the present.

Just think, there are children now who will always think it's normal for a Marxist Muslim dictator born in Kenya to be president. I will never be able to think that I didn't cross over some invisible boundary wrt that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 06:20:52 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 18, 2015, 06:15:50 PM

Oh god Hillary as prez is going to be awful.

I'd prefer either Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders. I guess Biden is more realistic. Honestly any random Democrat would be better than Hillary.

(http://i.imgur.com/M5ybxop.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:29:22 PM

:lawd

-I don't support banning any particular guns or ammo. Illegal guns and straw purchases strike me as the far bigger problem
-I think liberals are marching into some pretty idiotic territory with identity politics insularity/extremism
-I'm not an environmentalist and don't really care about global warming. Shout outs to ToxicAdam
-While I don't say "no homo" I am guilty of instead saying "no Capote," or "no Hofmo" when conversing with Karakand types
-I'm not comfortable with abortions after the first trimester either but ultimately can't imagine inserting myself into what is a pretty personal, heart wrenching decision some women have to make. It's her choice.
-I find Black Lives Matter to be asinine, too emotional, and not particular effective

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:31:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:29:22 PM

:lawd

-I don't support banning any particular guns or ammo. Illegal guns and straw purchases strike me as the far bigger problem
-I think liberals are marching into some pretty idiotic territory with identity politics insularity/extremism
-I'm not an environmentalist and don't really care about global warming. Shout outs to ToxicAdam
-While I don't say "no homo" I am guilty of instead saying "no Capote," or "no Hofmo" when conversing with Karakand types
-I'm not comfortable with abortions after the first trimester either but ultimately can't imagine inserting myself into what is a pretty personal, heart wrenching decision some women have to make. It's her choice.
-I find Black Lives Matter to be asinine, too emotional, and not particular effective

:interracial

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 06:33:25 PM

About the only things I'm pretty hardline on these days are

- Die with Dignity should be in all of the states.
- Serial rapists need to be in prison for life and the statute of limitations needs to fucking go.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brob on August 18, 2015, 06:35:38 PM

identity politics are a dead-end, Irigaray will prevail :preach

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:35:44 PM

yeah, i'm a fuckin' nazi when it comes to rapists and pedophiles. in the case of the latter, i understand that it probably *is* a severe psychological or even neurological issue, but i'm not terribly forgiving of sociopaths, either. sorry, some lives are too toxic.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:35:54 PM

I also have a crush on Kristi Noem and would pretend to be a black conservative to get the job done
:brazilcry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:39:11 PM

- It's sadly too late for meaningful gun reform, but I think some of America's dumbest people are people who can't see that there is a problem.
- Identity politics are funny because suddenly white dudes are realizing that lots of people don't like them and haven't for a long time.  hence the Republican party.
- I'm an obnoxious environmentalist even more so thanks to my wife :-*
- I'm so far left on abortions I make most of my effete bay area liberal friends uncomfortable when I discuss it, so I don't anymore.
- Bernie Sanders is an unelectable novelty candidate for upscale bumper sticker white liberals.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:39:59 PM

it's okay; i'd hatebang s.e. cupp. :brazilcry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 06:40:07 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:35:44 PM

yeah, i'm a fuckin' nazi when it comes to rapists and pedophiles. in the case of the latter, i understand that it probably *is* a severe psychological or even neurological issue, but i'm not terribly forgiving of sociopaths, either. sorry, some lives are too toxic.

I just feel like rapists embody the point of prison, you have a population of people who will hurt others and they need to be confined to a place where they can't get at victims. Unfortunately our current prison system still has a shit ton of rape itself which fucks up the point.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:41:42 PM

Can't wait until Bernie Sanders is doing infomercials for purified water bottles in a few years :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:44:19 PM

i'm good with identity politics in general, but the more rarified it becomes ("check your neurotypical privilege"; "i may have been born a human but my identity is a trisexual dragon wolf") or the more intersectional issues ("i'm gay and trans but i hate lgbt because they won't accept my diaper fetish and my pony identification") pile on the more i go from :jawalrus to :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:45:29 PM

The only thing I think I can still get violently angry about now is union busting.  My wife has had to drag me out of conversations before.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:45:59 PM

delusional mra shit still sets me off

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:48:00 PM

I've never met one in real life, but I've met plenty of smug white guys who have re-imagined the history of America so that unions didn't coincide with our best years.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:48:06 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:45:29 PM

The only thing I think I can still get violently angry about now is union busting.  My wife has had to drag me out of conversations before.

I'm all for busting police and teacher unions.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:50:32 PM

I can't imagine what education will look like divorced from unions.  Doubtful you could even find people in places like LA or Oakland.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 06:51:25 PM

Just had a conversation today with a Walgreens employee, friend of my mom, who's been there 25 years and this week, since either buying a company or being acquired by one, they're docking everyone's pay. Her pay will go down by 3 bucks an hour and her hours will probably be cut. And I'm just like  :-\. The coverages and protections my mom got during her employment from Safeway is shit that is so well beyond what you can hope for these days, it depresses her.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:52:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:48:06 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:45:29 PM

The only thing I think I can still get violently angry about now is union busting.  My wife has had to drag me out of conversations before.

I'm all for busting police and teacher unions.

our bromance is over  :gurl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 18, 2015, 06:53:06 PM

- I'm supporting Bernie Sanders
- Pro decriminalization/regulation of all drugs
- Think collecting possessions in a McMansion makes you an asshole
- think prison should only be for those who are a threat to the rest of society, and other than physical segregation from society, conditions should be within societal norms.
- felons should have voting rights
- pro union
- anti-profit in utilities
- pro wealth redistribution
- pro world government

Let the jimmies rustle

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:53:26 PM

that said, police unions are problematic due to their anti-progressive agenda and general fascist ethos.

but teacher's unions? fuck yo' homeschooled mouf :ufup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 06:54:25 PM

- Assisted suicide should be legal, full stop.
- Abortion should be legal regardless of what period the pregnancy is at.
- Just because you're liberal, doesn't mean you're not racist. Just because you're a white liberal does not change that you are white.
- It should be really, really hard for the average person to get guns unless you're a farmer and need it to protect your stock. America should follow Australia's lead and make all guns near illegal except in specific circumstances. Which will never happen.
- Take guns away from the police. The only thing they need is a baton and pepper spray.
- The death penalty should be abolished nationwide.
- All drugs should be legal.
- In my mind, capitalism is inherently evil. A lot of liberals think that if you just slightly make things more equal, it'll be okay but nope, they'll always try to usurp that loss power back.
- Military spending be cut in half and put into education.
- Black and Native Americans deserve our reparations.
- Ideally, if it were possible, I want a nation of those affected by the Trans-Atlantic slave trade (American blacks, Afro Latinx brothers and sisters in Haiti, Cuba, Brazil;etc.) along with Native Americans and other displaced races to have our own country. The Jews got Israel. I want our own country.
- If you are a Black American you should never forget that America is not actually your home.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:55:31 PM

Nah throw them in the bushes. Defending bad teachers that systematically fail generations of kids, specifically minorities.
:pacspit

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 06:56:06 PM

:bow himu :bow2

that was better summons for THE TWEE RAGE OF JAYDUBYA than i mustered :drudge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 06:58:05 PM

So like my mom had

-great health benefits that umbrella'd over me and my dad
-couldn't be demoted without a legit reason
-couldn't have reduced pay without a legit reason
-guaranteed 40 hours
-paid sick leave up to several days
-3 weeks vacation

and she retired early because they had an 80 rule where if your years working (forgot the minimum years you had to work though) + your age was over 80 then you could retire.

I doubt you can get that all that crap anymore working in retail. But you get that shit with a real union.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 06:59:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 06:29:22 PM

-I find Black Lives Matter to be asinine, too emotional, and not particular effective

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/141213170300-08-protest-1213-ny-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg)

 :shaq2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 07:01:06 PM

Oh, and college should be free.

(http://i.imgur.com/wdBnpGw.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:04:22 PM

Did you know the UC system was instituted as a tuition free college education for California residents.  :obama

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 07:08:15 PM

I like the community college plan. Michigan has some really good CCs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:09:51 PM

Also you need strong unions with union reps who aren't sellouts because a lot of UFCW shit went down because reps were getting paid off with cars and other gifts.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 07:21:06 PM

I find industrial unionism tolerable but craft unionism can take a hike. That the AFL-CIO ended up functioning as CIA bagmen in Latin America as part of their broad anti-left mandate during the Cold War was the institution working as intended, not an aberration, to say nothing of the institutional racism it abetted here at home.

hmu Steve. :marimo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 18, 2015, 07:25:29 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:50:32 PM

I can't imagine what education will look like divorced from unions.  Doubtful you could even find people in places like LA or Oakland.

As a member of one, I'd be the first to say that that there terrible things about teahers unions. Good young teachers get RIFF'd while shitty old teachers never go away. Ugh.

I'd also be the first to say that things would be worse without them. I haven't had a COLA in years. I can't imagine how shitty things would be if the state government was allowed to fuck us more than they already do.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:25:42 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 18, 2015, 07:21:06 PM

I find industrial unionism tolerable but craft unionism can take a hike. That the AFL-CIO ended up functioning as CIA bagmen in Latin America as part of their broad anti-left mandate during the Cold War was the institution working as intended, not an aberration, to say nothing of the institutional racism it abetted here at home.

hmu Steve. :marimo

My grandparents were investigated by the FBI and kicked out of campus housing for not signing Loyalty Oaths while they were working for UC Berkeley.

 :marimo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 07:36:05 PM

Devo-chan's impeccable proletarian heritage. :noah

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:38:42 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 18, 2015, 07:36:05 PM

Devo-chan's impeccable proletarian heritage. :noah

Paternal grandparents wouldn't sign loyalty oaths. Mom was in the FSM and went to Civil Rights and Fair Housing Rallies.  :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: thisismyusername on August 18, 2015, 07:47:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 07:08:15 PM

I like the community college plan. Michigan has some really good CCs.

Community College plan is nice, but with how much "YOU NEED A COLLEGE DEGREE!!!!" is thrown at people: People should have a full ride University and Community Colleges paid-for by tax payers. The only time it isn't is if you're getting a D-average GPA or below to where you pay for it. Make people have to be "competent"/C average to getting that degree and putting in enough work to get that degree.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:49:04 PM

Also some people don't need to gum up college or get a ton of loans just to get a degree so they can land a job that's not complete shit. The jobs you don't need a degree for shouldn't be complete shit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 18, 2015, 07:49:25 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 05:46:42 PM

- i try to be a decent ally but i really don't get "ableism" or other current fringe intersectionalism, largely because i still want to mock furries and spergs

not sure how srs, but this serves as a decent point of departure for me to shill ivory tower academia. wrt disability studies, it provides a useful example of how deviance is defined and policed and normalcy is legitimated. I have a cursory familiarity with the field, limited to the American experience of disability; from what I've gleaned, the field is very adamant that, in the States, modern discourses of and attitudes towards disability aren't calcified until the mid-late 19th, when urban, industrial consumer capitalism entrenches itself in the American identity and in turn privileges certain modes of labor ("efficiency" is the chief buzzword here). Manual labor as capital is institutionalized in tandem with the rise of modern medicine*, spawning the medical understanding of disability, which, as disability studies would argue, sees** abnormalcy as an immutable problem to be corrected, rather than accommodated. This is the context that the term "ableism" is brought up, it represents the historical baggage that results in the literal devaluing of a human being and the discourses that serve to make public life more than just physically inaccessible for many disabled Americans.


*I would also throw in the state's drive for cultural homogenization through public institutions like education, and its drive for quantification/organization of its resources through mandatory identification documents which, among other things, reify the location of deviance on the individual.

**this is a deliberate choice of words, 'spectacle' and 'ocularcentrism' are key themes within the literature that serve to reinforce norms of power

for the uninitiated: http://www.ces.uc.pt/projectos/intimidade/media/Seing%20the%20disabled_visual%20rhetorics%20of%20disability%20in%20popular%20photography.pdf

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 18, 2015, 06:39:11 PM

- Identity politics are funny because suddenly white dudes are realizing that lots of people don't like them and haven't for a long time.  hence the Republican party.

one of my profs argued that white masculinity has always been in crisis in American society because it's always been the chief beneficiary of institutionalized privilege. 30-something Caucasian male from the Bible Belt, go figure

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 08:20:38 PM

huh, interesting. the problem is that while i've been arguing for neurodiversity and support for better psychological accomodations and services at work,  run-of-the-mill opportunistic spergs with anxiety disorders have been claiming the resources which kinda keeps the folks with serious psych issues (folks on the schizoaffective spectrum; severe/bipolar depression et al) from speaking up. maybe it's a tech thing. also, i have no idea where to draw an initial line, or where it should EVEN be drawn. i mean, at the end of the day: psych issues are pretty much the norm, at least in the tech sector. i don't like being pressured to "rank" disorders, but come ON.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 08:24:28 PM

also, i've noticed, again in the gentrified tech sector, that a loss of traditional white cis patriarchal privilege means a bit of a rush from said cishet crackers to claim other "privileges" around ableist and neurodiversity issues. ("you can't fire me! i have chronic obesity and social anxiety disorder!") might not be an ACTUAL thing overall, but HUH.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 08:30:48 PM

Need-based aid will always be a target for opportunists so long as the conditions that make aid necessary exist. We can accept that or expend resources inefficiently empowering disciplinarians to met out our preconceived notions of need to make our Foucauldian dreams a reality.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 08:38:07 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:04:22 PM

Did you know the UC system was instituted as a tuition free college education for California residents.  :obama

This should be the case in general. UT has insane tuition rates or I would have went for a master degree in film ages ago.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2015, 08:39:38 PM

Quote

* No act that doesn't have a victim which is another human being should ever be illegal.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 08:41:51 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on August 18, 2015, 07:47:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 07:08:15 PM

I like the community college plan. Michigan has some really good CCs.

Community College plan is nice, but with how much "YOU NEED A COLLEGE DEGREE!!!!" is thrown at people: People should have a full ride University and Community Colleges paid-for by tax payers. The only time it isn't is if you're getting a D-average GPA or below to where you pay for it. Make people have to be "competent"/C average to getting that degree and putting in enough work to get that degree.

Given the "YOU NEED A COLLEGE DEGREE!!!" going around, that's even more reason to make college the new high school and just make it free.

 :jawalrus

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 08:46:05 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 06:58:05 PM

So like my mom had

-great health benefits that umbrella'd over me and my dad
-couldn't be demoted without a legit reason
-couldn't have reduced pay without a legit reason
-guaranteed 40 hours
-paid sick leave up to several days
-3 weeks vacation

and she retired early because they had an 80 rule where if your years working (forgot the minimum years you had to work though) + your age was over 80 then you could retire.

I doubt you can get that all that crap anymore working in retail. But you get that shit with a real union.

Let me continue with this. There's all of what I said on the last page.

But, we also need:

- 3-4 guaranteed weeks of vacation. This should be national law. The American "phht vacation? hard work is my vacation :smug" needs to die. It's killing us.
- 6 months to a year of maternity OR paternity (gender equality :smug) leave without being fired for it.
- 20 dollars per hour is where minimum wage SHOULD be at (commence Jaydub heaving) but 15 is a good concession. Make it nationwide.
- All people under federal law should be guaranteed rights from being fired due to gender, race, sexual orientation, gender identity, or disability.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 08:48:45 PM

Quote

* No act that doesn't have a victim which is another human being should ever be illegal.

(http://i.imgur.com/HAHHYgx.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 08:53:43 PM

- Just because Bernie Sanders marched with MLK doesn't mean he gives a shit about race, white lib friends. Fred Phelps was a civil rights activist. Bernie doesn't give a shit about race, and deserves to have been heckled by BLM protesters for his apathy and general generic "it's an economic problem, not a race problem" BROgressive/BROcialist stink. Bernie's response to BLM protesters essentially being,"I WON'T APOLOGIZE" rather than realizing people just want it addressed shows even further away from the movement this man is. And this is someone who plans on voting for him.

- Voting should be a holiday, and on for three days, preferably on a weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday). Felons should also have the ability to vote.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 08:56:47 PM

I'm really trying to think of something to throw out here to contribute that isn't some no1curr doctrinal matter or wouldn't  require me to explain the overarching framework through which I conceptualize things. :brazilcry

Uhhhhhhhh, states (as in the political subdivision of the United States, not the entity that occupies the monopoly on force benji-kun :comeon) and further sovereign subdivisions are dumb, inefficient, and only really necessary because some of us want to LARP the Massachusetts Bay Colony and some of us want to LARP Europe of the 70s and these are incompatible role playing milieux. If you have no background in interstate commerce you really have no idea what I'm talking about.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 08:57:57 PM

Says the dude who is in socal and lives off the water Cali steals from its other parts.

 ;)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 09:03:18 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 08:53:43 PM

- Just because Bernie Sanders marched with MLK doesn't mean he gives a shit about race, white lib friends. Fred Phelps was a civil rights activist. Bernie doesn't give a shit about race, and deserves to have been heckled by BLM protesters for his apathy and general generic "it's an economic problem, not a race problem" BROgressive/BROcialist stink. Bernie's response to BLM protesters essentially being,"I WON'T APOLOGIZE" rather than realizing people just want it addressed shows even further away from the movement this man is. And this is someone who plans on voting for him.

- Voting should be a holiday, and on for three days, preferably on a weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday). Felons should also have the ability to vote.

Sanders has a better record on civil rights issues than any candidate you'll start stanning in the next few months. Real talk. I preface this by saying I'm not a Sanders supporter (although I'll vote for him in the primary) but the treatment he's had to deal baffles me.

The dominant problem the black community faces is socioeconomic. Police brutality and the epidemic of violence in inner cities are symptoms of that - they are not the main problem. Sanders has been talking about that for quite some time. I'm not going to fault him for being an inarticulate fringe candidate. The record speaks for itself.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 09:05:40 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 18, 2015, 08:56:47 PM

I'm really trying to think of something to throw out here to contribute that isn't some no1curr doctrinal matter or wouldn't  require me to explain the overarching framework through which I conceptualize things. :brazilcry

Uhhhhhhhh, states (as in the political subdivision of the United States, not the entity that occupies the monopoly on force benji-kun :comeon) and further sovereign subdivisions are dumb, inefficient, and only really necessary because some of us want to LARP the Massachusetts Bay Colony and some of us want to LARP Europe of the 70s and these are incompatible role playing milieux. If you have no background in interstate commerce you really have no idea what I'm talking about.

All you have to do is talk about issues rather than structure. You cannot change structure without tackling issues.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 09:06:16 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 08:57:57 PM

Says the dude who is in socal and lives off the water Cali steals from its other parts.

 ;)

We built those aquedects fair and square. Don't believe Roman Polanski's lies.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 09:12:53 PM

The future Mr. Gittes, the future.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 09:14:35 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 09:03:18 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 08:53:43 PM

- Just because Bernie Sanders marched with MLK doesn't mean he gives a shit about race, white lib friends. Fred Phelps was a civil rights activist. Bernie doesn't give a shit about race, and deserves to have been heckled by BLM protesters for his apathy and general generic "it's an economic problem, not a race problem" BROgressive/BROcialist stink. Bernie's response to BLM protesters essentially being,"I WON'T APOLOGIZE" rather than realizing people just want it addressed shows even further away from the movement this man is. And this is someone who plans on voting for him.

- Voting should be a holiday, and on for three days, preferably on a weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday). Felons should also have the ability to vote.

Sanders has a better record on civil rights issues than any candidate you'll start stanning in the next few months. Real talk. I preface this by saying I'm not a Sanders supporter (although I'll vote for him in the primary) but the treatment he's had to deal baffles me.

The dominant problem the black community faces is socioeconomic. Police brutality and the epidemic of violence in inner cities are symptoms of that - they are not the main problem. Sanders has been talking about that for quite some time. I'm not going to fault him for being an inarticulate fringe candidate. The record speaks for itself.

Sanders' is the one targeted for the exact reasons you just said: his record. Keep in mind, Republicans have also been targeted, but Sanders is especially targeted because of his record, meaning he's the most likely to do something about it. Ultimately, Bernie is a politician and politicians do not take up issues until they are prodded. Before, Bernie barely spoke of racial inequality or that police are specifically targeting our communities. You say that it's a socio-economical problem when many of these people killed in the past year, were not poor. You honestly sound like a college aged cac with that mess, sorry. What happened after they confronted Bernie? He has made an actual stance on the issue.

What does protesting Republicans do exactly? They don't give a fuck about us. Hilary? Her record is clear, but more than that, how could anyone hope to interrupt her when she has Blackwater security? Bernie Sanders, being the operating on a progressive platform (despite not even talking about the past years racial events) is the prime candidate and keep the discussion moving. Has it done that? Yes, it has. Now Bernie is meeting with them to talk about policy.

Do you really expect people to want to tackle poverty and stuff when people who are supposed to protect us are killing us? Really? :comeon You cannot be this naive or silly. You expect people to protest being poor when people justify killing us for being black? Out of here with that mess.

Between this and the "why is Janelle pro-black now?" you are looking mad suspect.  :beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 09:20:57 PM

vularai inspired me to make some classic movie smileys

:smugrichbastard

(http://i.imgur.com/jGLTW3g.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 09:24:26 PM

People are dying and this boy talking about shutting up, take it, and just hope it's rectified through economic changes despite specific decades like the 80's having good economies and things still being bad for people. Like fixing the economy is a one way ticket to ending white supremacy. Talking about "policing black people is a symptom of socio-economical circumstance" while ignoring that America's police were initially slave catchers, and this relationship has lasted over 150 years.

Coming up with this "why don't you blow on it?" mess when someone's been shot through the stomach. :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 18, 2015, 09:40:14 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 09:05:40 PM

All you have to do is talk about issues rather than structure. You cannot change structure without tackling issues.

I really don't want to get into a Critical Theory 101 discussion, but, for example, I can't say I was surprised that Drinky--who denied that a zygote was a person the record will show--copped to being uncomfortable with abortion past the first trimester. Our philosophical frameworks inform our positions on issues and simply stating positions without providing that framework up front requires other people to figure out what that framework is exactly, which can be a rather messy process.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 09:41:27 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 09:14:35 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 09:03:18 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 08:53:43 PM

- Just because Bernie Sanders marched with MLK doesn't mean he gives a shit about race, white lib friends. Fred Phelps was a civil rights activist. Bernie doesn't give a shit about race, and deserves to have been heckled by BLM protesters for his apathy and general generic "it's an economic problem, not a race problem" BROgressive/BROcialist stink. Bernie's response to BLM protesters essentially being,"I WON'T APOLOGIZE" rather than realizing people just want it addressed shows even further away from the movement this man is. And this is someone who plans on voting for him.

- Voting should be a holiday, and on for three days, preferably on a weekend (Friday, Saturday, Sunday). Felons should also have the ability to vote.

Sanders has a better record on civil rights issues than any candidate you'll start stanning in the next few months. Real talk. I preface this by saying I'm not a Sanders supporter (although I'll vote for him in the primary) but the treatment he's had to deal baffles me.

The dominant problem the black community faces is socioeconomic. Police brutality and the epidemic of violence in inner cities are symptoms of that - they are not the main problem. Sanders has been talking about that for quite some time. I'm not going to fault him for being an inarticulate fringe candidate. The record speaks for itself.

Sanders' is the one targeted for the exact reasons you just said: his record. Keep in mind, Republicans have also been targeted, but Sanders is especially targeted because of his record, meaning he's the most likely to do something about it. Ultimately, Bernie is a politician and politicians do not take up issues until they are prodded. Before, Bernie barely spoke of racial inequality or that police are specifically targeting our communities. You say that it's a socio-economical problem when many of these people killed in the past year, were not poor. You honestly sound like a college aged cac with that mess, sorry. What happened after they confronted Bernie? He has made an actual stance on the issue.

What does protesting Republicans do exactly? They don't give a fuck about us. Hilary? Her record is clear, but more than that, how could anyone hope to interrupt her when she has Blackwater security? Bernie Sanders, being the operating on a progressive platform (despite not even talking about the past years racial events) is the prime candidate and keep the discussion moving. Has it done that? Yes, it has. Now Bernie is meeting with them to talk about policy.

Do you really expect people to want to tackle poverty and stuff when people who are supposed to protect us are killing us? Really? :comeon You cannot be this naive or silly. You expect people to protest being poor when people justify killing us for being black? Out of here with that mess.

Between this and the "why is Janelle pro-black now?" you are looking mad suspect.  :beli

1. Nowhere in my post do I suggest republicans or anyone else should be protested. But since you bring it up, one republican has been protested though, not "republicans" plural.

2. You bring up an anecdotal observation and then accuse me of sounding like a college kid? Stop it. :lol

3. "Poverty and stuff" is the reason this situation exists. We're seeing the product of institutionalized ghettos. People put in a box with guns, drugs, limited public services, a lack of job/education opportunities, and a history of redlining to ensure most can't escape. Of course there's going to be an explosion of violence, which means there's going to be an increase in police presence. It's been designed that way. I want to talk about how that system can be dismantled. Police reforms are good and I support them, don't get me wrong, but they could essentially be window dressing as long as police are occupying impoverished war zones.

4. I wonder what policy they'll talk about, and I hope the conversation isn't as intellectually embarrassing as this shit. (http://thesouthlawn.org/2015/08/18/a-short-follow-up-to-the-previous-post-on-black-lives-matter/)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 09:48:43 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 09:24:26 PM

People are dying and this boy talking about shutting up, take it, and just hope it's rectified through economic changes despite specific decades like the 80's having good economies and things still being bad for people. Like fixing the economy is a one way ticket to ending white supremacy. Talking about "policing black people is a symptom of socio-economical circumstance" while ignoring that America's police were initially slave catchers, and this relationship has lasted over 150 years.

Coming up with this "why don't you blow on it?" mess when someone's been shot through the stomach. :neogaf

I didn't know the 80s were a great time for the middle class or working poor. Seriously, you're essentially reciting talking points you haven't thought out. Again.

Black income rose in the 90s by about $8,000 during the economic boom. Poverty fell throughout the decade, including by 33% for black people. You cannot divorce the state of the economy from this shit. Let's be real.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Boogie on August 18, 2015, 09:48:56 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 09:24:26 PM

People are dying and this boy talking about shutting up, take it, and just hope it's rectified through economic changes despite specific decades like the 80's having good economies and things still being bad for people. Like fixing the economy is a one way ticket to ending white supremacy.

A society's police force is reflective of society itself.

If American police exhibit more violence/bad behaviour than, say, police in some other random country (let's say Canada), then it may be because police in America are policing in a more violent environment than police in Canada.

Homicide rate in Canada:  1.44 per 100k.
Homicide rate in USA: 4.5 per 100k

Apart from yes, encouraging reforms in policing, I don't see how saying that this is fundamentally a socioeconomic problem is so offensive.

America has a violent crime problem much worse than every other developed country.   Violent crime is a problem that is likely best solved by solving the underlying socioecnomic problems that a society/community faces (certainly no one on this site is going to suggest that we can solve violent crime rates in macro through harsher enforcement/imprisonment, amirite?).   But so long as America has a violent crime problem worse than any other developed country, those tasked with policing and responding in that environment are probably going to behave worse, on average, than those who have the luxury of policing in less-violent countries.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 09:54:03 PM

In the 80's when AIDS was rampant in the lgbt community, gays and lesbians held a mass protest at Wall Street and other institutions over the complete and utter silence from the government,  and in the Reagan administrations case, laughter. During those times, the crisis facing lgbt people was HIV and AIDS. Sure, there was mass poverty, threat to life and safety through being murdered by fellow citizens, but the main concern was AIDS, which the government gave two shits about. Protesting in mass numbers forced the governments hand. Your "economy is the main plight facing Black Americans" rings hollow. Put in another way, it almost sounds like,"socio-economic is the main issue facing lgbt people" in the light of my previous example, when no, the main concern from the community was AIDS. Socio-economics can wait, but what's more pressing are people dying in crazy numbers, especially at the hands of the very people sanctioned to protect us, while the government and politicians look on like literally nothing is happening.

Yet somehow, you expect people not to sound their voice, and simply be satisfied that someone is talking about change in socio-economic policy? Politcital candidates by their very jobs are supposed to handle the topical, yet you think that's a problem with black people demand similar treatment towards an issue that's killing us? How can I take you serious on this matter at all?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 18, 2015, 10:06:04 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 08:20:38 PM

also, i have no idea where to draw an initial line, or where it should EVEN be drawn. i mean, at the end of the day: psych issues are pretty much the norm, at least in the tech sector. i don't like being pressured to "rank" disorders, but come ON.

yeah, part of the debate is that impairment is fluid and culturally informed. common rhetoric I've heard is that everyone is disabled provided they live long enough, but imo, a more accurate argument is that we all have physical/psychological limitations relative to each other and they shouldn't be used to justify exclusion. can't speak on the appropriation of rhetoric in der kulturkampf in the private sector, thank you based unemployment

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 10:11:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 09:48:43 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 18, 2015, 09:24:26 PM

People are dying and this boy talking about shutting up, take it, and just hope it's rectified through economic changes despite specific decades like the 80's having good economies and things still being bad for people. Like fixing the economy is a one way ticket to ending white supremacy. Talking about "policing black people is a symptom of socio-economical circumstance" while ignoring that America's police were initially slave catchers, and this relationship has lasted over 150 years.

Coming up with this "why don't you blow on it?" mess when someone's been shot through the stomach. :neogaf

I didn't know the 80s were a great time for the middle class or working poor. Seriously, you're essentially reciting talking points you haven't thought out. Again.

Black income rose in the 90s by about $8,000 during the economic boom. Poverty fell throughout the decade, including by 33% for black people. You cannot divorce the state of the economy from this shit. Let's be real.

You're talking income and poverty, when I'm talking about people getting killed by police. You really think that getting out of poverty is going to stop police from targeting black people? :what This is where we differ. I'm not convinced that getting out of poverty fixes a thing when it's institutionalized in such a wide manner. If it's so ingrained, then surely, getting out of poverty will achieve jack shit on the topic of police. Chris Rock has been stopped a billion times by cops - three times in two months - and he's rich, yet you maintain that getting out of poverty will fix this? Be real. Chris Rock is worth 70 million, and he's still he's still nothing but dirt to them. We live in a place where a dude who breaks into his own home is arrested due to racist police, yet you think this is a socio-economical problem and that we should just sit at the kiddie table and wait our turn while police are killing us? :mindblown

And I thought I wrote 90's. Typo, but it doesn't matter at this point.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2015, 10:27:35 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 18, 2015, 09:40:14 PM

I really don't want to get into a Critical Theory 101 discussion, but, for example, I can't say I was surprised that Drinky--who denied that a zygote was a person the record will show--copped to being uncomfortable with abortion past the first trimester. Our philosophical frameworks inform our positions on issues and simply stating positions without providing that framework up front requires other people to figure out what that framework is exactly, which can be a rather messy process.

For that matter, trying to honestly assess one's own framework can be pretty useful, if only to make sure you actually have one and aren't just constantly excusing the awfulness of your chosen tribe.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 18, 2015, 10:31:02 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:04:22 PM

Did you know the UC system was instituted as a tuition free college education for California residents.  :obama

When did that change?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2015, 10:32:30 PM

More anecdotes. You're missing the point but this is probably my last post on the subject. Police brutality is a symptom of a devastated socioeconomic state, especially in inner cities. Police are an occupying force in many inner cities plagued by violence and drugs. As long as you have crime infested areas you're going to have a lot of police. The areas are crime infested in large part due to the factors I've discussed, most of which are socioeconomic - and the results of institutional barriers and/or racism.

Police should have body cams, there should be civilian review boards, people should elect prosecutors who hold police accountable, etc. But police are going to remain shitty as long as they're occupying war zones. Just as people in those war zones are going to continue perpetuating a cycle of violence as long as they're in a war zone with no opportunities or hope. My general view is that these communities need to be revived. If people have opportunities and jobs and afterschool programs and job training and education they're less likely to participate in violence. If you can lower the violence (including btw getting illegal guns off the streets) there would be less need for the damn police. Their policing tactics would change as well. I hold no illusions that this alone will stop a crooked piece of shit cop from being that way, or make a racist cop see the light. But my focus is on ending the occupation of our streets. And unless you want a post-Freddie Gray Baltimore situation, the best way to do that is by addressing the institutional issues that lead to the crime that brings them into the neighborhood.

If you disagree with me, fine. But you can take that emotional bullshit and attempts to outright dismiss the argument elsewhere. You don't look or sound serious about the issue if you want to pretend like we're not dealing with a design. This isn't fucking magic. And therefore "stop killing us" is not a policy. Nearly every concrete policy you presumably support concerning police is also supported by me. My argument is simply that taking certain toys away from cops or making them wear cameras is not going to change their behavior, when their behavior is a product of a designed system. Just as inner city violence is.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 10:54:17 PM

I agree with just about everything you said on the topic of how to fix it. The problem is your previous manner of expressing it. I also agree that cops aren't going to change a thing unless they stop treating the areas they're supposed to be protecting as war zones. However, not all black people who are killed by the police are in those areas you're speaking of. It doesn't even only affect black people (see: Zachary Hammond). You act like it's only in the ghetto, when Sandra Bland got arrested and was ultimately killed despite getting a job at a university. Darrien Hunt was killed at an anime convention because he was cosplaying with a toy sword. What about Samuel DuBose? Are you going to dismiss that as another anecdote? I refuse to dismiss deaths as mere "anecdotes". Yet you deem is "emotional bullshit" because you seem more than perfectly fine with deflecting the issue and basing it solely on socio-economics, despite this affecting blacks of all class.

I don't think I ever gleaned that "stop killing us" was a policy? No one ever said it was? If anything, isn't it up to politicians like, you know, Bernie Sanders to come up with policy? A politician's policy certainly won't be "stop killing black people" but it'll certainly push them into trying to take those toys away from police so they *can* stop killing us. You somehow have gotten the idea that protesters think "stop killing us" is a policy, and not just a manner to unite and press the issue which gives the idea that you are completely removed from the current movement or what it is trying to accomplish.

Point me to a place where people said "stop killing us" was an actual policy and not a rally cry?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 11:11:35 PM

This person has been murdered in the digital realm. Revive them?

(http://i.imgur.com/60FOtX5.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 11:23:27 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/hJJUWCq.jpg)

What's that? You're going to have to post louder, JD.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 18, 2015, 11:36:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WwQw3NT.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 18, 2015, 11:41:42 PM

i told yo' ass this would happen :ufup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 18, 2015, 11:44:10 PM

Quote from: chronovore on August 18, 2015, 10:31:02 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:04:22 PM

Did you know the UC system was instituted as a tuition free college education for California residents.  :obama

When did that change?

It's still possible but unlikely. I went to UCSC like you but I was probably older (22yo transfer student) and as a result of my age/grades/completed coursework, I was an independent and probably considered a better investment as far as need and ability to be successful with a degree. As a result, that particular school matched my entire tuition with grants ($15k/year) and I got a little bit more on top of that from state and federal grants ($5k/year). But nearly everyone else I knew had to pay out of their or their parents pocket.

When I applied to UC schools in my senior year of high school, I had about the same ~3.5 GPA as when I transferred later but being from an upper middle class family, my counselor even told me that I probably won't qualify for any grants and I didn't even bother applying for financial aid so I don't know what I would have gotten. There might be something for anyone with minor physical/mental issues but like Cruncheon mentions, nobody with any pride would accept assistance for that unless it was a severe disability.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 19, 2015, 12:20:08 AM

The UC system as it was was gutted by Prop 13. Previously local governments could reasonably finance themselves, afterwards they were more or less incapable of meeting their needs and wouldn't cut expenditures accordingly. Local governments became wards of Sacramento and the UC's budget got slashed so that Solvang's library could stay open, et cetera. Thanks for all your meaningful contributions to society, Howard Jarvis. :itagaki

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2015, 12:37:05 AM

-I agree with PD and (gasp) Hillary (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-black-lives-matter-nh-videos) about BLM. However, as a white dude, I realize that my opinion is pretty immaterial in the whole thing.
-I support the idea of a guaranteed minimum income.
-I honestly feel like libertarians should be quarantined so the stupid doesn't escape. We're not using Idaho for anything other than potatoes, right?
-There should be no restrictions on abortion, birth control should be free to everyone, and we should look into incentivizing people who want to get sterilized. Humans suck and there are too many of them.
-About every 30-40 years, we should just kill the richest people in the world to keep things interesting. No dynasties. No aristocracies.

Also, it should be noted: JD thinks it's totally cool if you want to rape, murder, and wear the skins of your pets, and I'm assuming your neighbors pets as long as you make financial restitution to them.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2015, 12:38:55 AM

Also, I draw the line at furries. You people ain't right and should be beaten with a stick until you're fixed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2015, 12:40:40 AM

Y u hate fido, tho?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 12:41:16 AM

I disagree with Hilary.

They asked her about her ideas. She fired back with "what are YOUR ideas?" when she's the one running for president. The ideas are pretty clear. People want it federal for cops to wear cameras, for instance.

Not a good look. She seemed respectfully dismissive.

Tonight's Larry Wilmore had a good take on the entire debacle.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 12:48:09 AM

Also, it's hard to take Hilary seriously on this issue, especially when pressed on mass incarceration when she has received donations from Prison lobbyists. They raised the issues, Hilary. You just chose to ignore them, because facing them takes money out of your pocket.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 12:48:29 AM

Quote from: chronovore on August 18, 2015, 10:31:02 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 18, 2015, 07:04:22 PM

Did you know the UC system was instituted as a tuition free college education for California residents.  :obama

When did that change?

I'll give you a hint a certain asshole was Governor of California who would later become president.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 12:48:50 AM

Reagan completely ruined California.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: chronovore on August 19, 2015, 01:16:01 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2015, 12:37:05 AM

-I agree with PD and (gasp) Hillary (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-black-lives-matter-nh-videos) about BLM. However, as a white dude, I realize that my opinion is pretty immaterial in the whole thing.
-I support the idea of a guaranteed minimum income.
-I honestly feel like libertarians should be quarantined so the stupid doesn't escape. We're not using Idaho for anything other than potatoes, right?
-There should be no restrictions on abortion, birth control should be free to everyone, and we should look into incentivizing people who want to get sterilized. Humans suck and there are too many of them.
-About every 30-40 years, we should just kill the richest people in the world to keep things interesting. No dynasties. No aristocracies.

Also, it should be noted: JD thinks it's totally cool if you want to rape, murder, and wear the skins of your pets, and I'm assuming your neighbors pets as long as you make financial restitution to them.

With Idaho, you'd already net a good portion of the Libertarian population, so you'd save on moving expenses.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 19, 2015, 01:17:47 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 19, 2015, 12:57:05 AM

Say "Black Lives Matter" while supporting killing "unarmed black kids" by the thousands every day, "brehs."

They could have arms, you don't know what trimester they're being aborted in.

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Sorry for making this tasteless joke.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 01:27:19 AM

Eh I can see both sides of the coin with what PD/Himu are saying. To me you have to attack this on all fronts, institutional and personal. The problem of racism, violence by cops, in America isn't just a socioeconomic one, it's a perception of inferiority to other races, especially white people, that has never really been tackled in the public sphere and laid out. Our own president had to tiptoe around the topic, his own damn race and heritage, plenty of times. That speaks to a societal problem of denial to me more than anything. It's political and controversial to broach the topic despite the only way to solve it being a massive public dialogue. It's similar to how women's issues won't ever be solved without public dialogue, not this hushed voices behind closed doors crap.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 01:37:27 AM

Both issues stand upon feelings.

In the case of women's issues, men's feelings.

In the case of race issues, white people's feelings.

I say we keep hurting feelings. Maybe it'll force people to finally talk about it in a legitimate way and not the tip toe crap. I can see what PD's saying. My problem is him dismissing the entire movement. Yes, BLM is currently leaderless, yes we could use more direction, but I like what we are doing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 01:41:09 AM

The biggest steps towards equality came when the aforementioned minority groups ran out into the street and protested like hell. Women have less access to reproductive health options (as in physical clinics) than over 40 fucking years ago. Think about that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 01:46:07 AM

Yeah, I don't see the BLM movement settling down. If anything it'll get more organized and better, since the candidates are practically forcing us to.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 19, 2015, 02:06:32 AM

I'm just going to say that as a white person, it almost feels Ackbar-ish when you have people asking you what you'd do, but then also maybe accusing you of white-splaining. I don't think Hillary asking them "what concrete policy proposals do you feel would help this situation?" is acting in bad faith.

Also, let me say this: I understand the situation is fucked. Black people are dying just for being black. You don't even have to be in the wrong place. It's fucked. This is 2015 and it's unacceptable. I fully recognize that I will never have to know how that feels. The situation absolutely warrants an emotional response. That said, once BLM became more than a twitter hashtag, and people started organizing actions, it really became important for the movement to start coming up with concrete policy requests they'd like to see addressed, and I absolutely feel like that is lacking, and I 100% agree with Hillary when she says that if all they're trying to do is change hearts without coming up with actionable policy requests (and police body cameras are just a start- the idiot in Cincinnati that shot the guy in his car had a camera on, for instance) then you will absolutely be back there in 10 year having the same conversations without anything having changed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 02:14:27 AM

Here's something a president/doj can step in on:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/st-louis-county-charges_55d38848e4b0ab468d9eaf9f?q08uxr

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2015, 02:29:48 AM

Quote

“The piece that’s most important….”

….is, apparently, telling Hillary Clinton that there is nothing that they, Black Lives Matter, can do about any of this. No advocacy. No policy agenda. No concrete plan. Nothing. Asking them to have a plan or a policy agenda? That is….victim-blaming. I am not kidding; that is what happens on the video.

—

I have alternated this entire day between befuddlement, bewilderment, and other nouns used to describe an unyielding state of confusion.

Just off the top of my head, there are at least three things that they could have asked for: a guaranteed right to protest without fear of ending your demonstration with a criminal background, legislation that bars police officers from earning pay while an investigation into a police shooting is ongoing, and a national limit to the amount of money that cities can make off moving violations and parking violations. Would those be my top three issues for the Black working class were I to receive the same audience? Absolutely not. But my goodness, it would be something more concrete than a response full of Intro to Sociology-style ephemera.

And for a series of protests that handwaves about “accountability”, it would have been beneficial to make concrete demands with which you could actually hold this person, you know, accountable. But what they allowed Hillary Clinton to do was completely evade any discussion of things that might actually get done if she becomes president in favor of allowing her to school them about the most fundamental premise behind policymaking institutions, which is to make policy.

Because if policy change is not the goal of this group of activists, then I am honestly wondering what the hell we are all doing here.

http://thesouthlawn.org/2015/08/18/a-short-follow-up-to-the-previous-post-on-black-lives-matter/

.

Utter nonsense. You can't converse with people who have pre-packaged bullshit slogans or phrases that they automatically hurl out in response to certain statements. That's some Lyndon LaRouche acolyte shit. Where's Benji...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 03:43:08 AM

Are you saying that BLM only have pre packaged bullshit phrases? Did you watch the interview?

Also, it's pretty obvious to me that Hilary waited to shoot them down rather than hear what they have to say.

I really question why you are so against BLM and why you have reduced everything about it to "pre packaged slogans". I'll admit that they could have done the Hilary thing much better, but you question why I would get emotional when you reduce it to something like that?

You should really watch the Nightly Show segment.

Personally, they fucked up with Hilary in general, especially since she's such a prime target who directly benefits from the exact oppression they speak of. A general problem with BLM is the lack of actual leadership, but dismissing their cause as nothing more than catchphrases seems completely dismissive in light of people still trying to get something done. They definitely aren't political savvy, but they're learning. Why can't you give them a chance? Why do you have to go out of your way to dismiss them for even trying?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 19, 2015, 09:08:16 AM

Didn't realize people had such strong feelings about the bureau of land management

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 12:54:47 PM

How lame is the GOP that Trump has gotten this far and is the most competitive.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 19, 2015, 01:02:33 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 01:27:19 AM

Eh I can see both sides of the coin with what PD/Himu are saying. To me you have to attack this on all fronts, institutional and personal. The problem of racism, violence by cops, in America isn't just a socioeconomic one, it's a perception of inferiority to other races, especially white people, that has never really been tackled in the public sphere and laid out. Our own president had to tiptoe around the topic, his own damn race and heritage, plenty of times. That speaks to a societal problem of denial to me more than anything. It's political and controversial to broach the topic despite the only way to solve it being a massive public dialogue. It's similar to how women's issues won't ever be solved without public dialogue, not this hushed voices behind closed doors crap.

At the risk of universalizing a specific historical experience, I don't know how anyone with a passable familiarity with the history of worldwide Jewry can put much stock in what PD is arguing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 19, 2015, 01:11:57 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on August 19, 2015, 09:08:16 AM

Didn't realize people had such strong feelings about the bureau of land management

If it was a hippy commune or a mosque, these same people would demand the government raze the place.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 01:17:05 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 19, 2015, 01:02:33 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 01:27:19 AM

Eh I can see both sides of the coin with what PD/Himu are saying. To me you have to attack this on all fronts, institutional and personal. The problem of racism, violence by cops, in America isn't just a socioeconomic one, it's a perception of inferiority to other races, especially white people, that has never really been tackled in the public sphere and laid out. Our own president had to tiptoe around the topic, his own damn race and heritage, plenty of times. That speaks to a societal problem of denial to me more than anything. It's political and controversial to broach the topic despite the only way to solve it being a massive public dialogue. It's similar to how women's issues won't ever be solved without public dialogue, not this hushed voices behind closed doors crap.

At the risk of universalizing a specific historical experience, I don't know how anyone with a passable familiarity with the history of worldwide Jewry can put much stock in what PD is arguing.

???

Expound plz

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 19, 2015, 01:20:33 PM

Love the word Jewry.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 02:01:43 PM

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/california/California-Lawmakers-Renew-Push-to-Pass-Right-To-Die-Bill-Despite-Pushback-from-Religious-Advocates-322176712.html

Really wish zealots would fuck right off already.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: VomKriege on August 19, 2015, 04:09:07 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 01:17:05 PM

???

Expound plz

I would wager something about how the prejudice against jews preexisted whatever socioeconomic conditions they had (several, all partly drove and shaped by the prejudice.).The problem was settled not via economic reform but because of a massive collective guilt over the realization that prejudice can have consequences in the millions.

I'm only glancing at your discussion so apologies if I'm off the mark.

What the Jewry thinks of abortions ?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 19, 2015, 05:15:28 PM

Aww did I miss the political confessions?


- I'm super pro-nuclear, partly because Canada has a shit ton of uranium
- I don't think imperialism is necessarily bad.  In fact I think its absurd that that westerners think we can win wars without trying to hold any of these territories for a few decades.   
- I don't think university should be free or even inexpensive.  In fact I think Canada has way too many people with uni degrees as is (it's around 50% of the work force).  You should only be able be an arts major if you have rich parents. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 19, 2015, 05:29:35 PM

When I talk to old people about civil rights issues, I feel like they kind of seem stuck in the steps their generation took in breaking down walls but then they feel like they did enough (ie: "we decriminalized being gay, but I think if they get marriage they won't be happy and will want EVEN MORE").

You can see both prejudice and guilt still exist in their hearts and in the case of BLM, they shouldn't expect the average non-black person to understand and feel the outrage they'll always feel. That's not to say that they should be all polite and soft spoken but they need leaders that are capable of evolving the tone of the discussion so that it can stay relevant. I just don't think there'll be much momentum for this issue beyond body cameras going around.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 06:14:00 PM

Leaving this here for JD-san

http://fusion.net/story/184032/black-lives-matter-martin-luther-king-hate-mail/?utm_source=facebook

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 19, 2015, 06:50:31 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 19, 2015, 05:26:39 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 19, 2015, 05:15:28 PM

Aww did I miss the political confessions?


- I'm super pro-nuclear, partly because Canada has a shit ton of uranium

Pro-nuclear as in use that shit for energy production or make a bunch of bombs? (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/dame2.png)

Energy, though the bombs are pretty important too. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2015, 07:04:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 06:14:00 PM

Leaving this here for JD-san

http://fusion.net/story/184032/black-lives-matter-martin-luther-king-hate-mail/?utm_source=facebook

I think that's a pretty insincere and vainglorious argument. People around at the nascency of the civil rights movement telling MLK to hush and maybe ride out this Jim Crow thing for a bit longer is a maybe a bit different than thinking #blacklivesmatter flashmobs at Bernie Saunders rallies might be a bit counter-productive.

Taking to the streets and not leaving the streets after Ferguson, that was genuinely productive. It was spontaneous, directionless, yet still probably had more positive policy impact than this hashtag slactivism bullshit ever will.

Dunno, I'll  be happy if this actually moves the goalposts and makes the Dem candidates commit to some meaningful policies that address policy brutality on blacks/incarceration rates for drug offenses vs. non-blacks etc.. Seems most I've heard (sorry you too Himu) just want to be heard and pay no mind if they're actually listened to.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 07:31:17 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2015, 07:04:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 06:14:00 PM

Leaving this here for JD-san

http://fusion.net/story/184032/black-lives-matter-martin-luther-king-hate-mail/?utm_source=facebook

I think that's a pretty insincere and vainglorious argument. People around at the nascency of the civil rights movement telling MLK to hush and maybe ride out this Jim Crow thing out for a bit longer is a maybe a bit different than thinking #blacklivesmatter flashmobs at Bernie Saunders rallies might be a bit counter-productive.

Taking to the streets and not leaving the streets after Ferguson, that was genuinely productive. It was spontaneous, directionless, yet still probably had more positive policy impact than this hashtag slactivism bullshit ever will.

Dunno, I'll  be happy if this actually moves the goalposts and makes the Dem candidates commit to some meaningful policies that address policy brutality on blacks/incarceration rates for drug offenses vs. non-blacks etc.. Seems most I've heard (sorry you too Himu) just want to be heard and pay no mind if they're actually listened to.

Who said anything about Flash Mobs? The post was directed at JayDub, who posits that Black Lives Matters supporters are racist and part of the problem.

Woosh.

A real fucking big woosh at that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2015, 07:38:30 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 19, 2015, 07:28:53 PM

The only way the title "Black Lives Matter" isn't some heinously racist shit in and of itself is if the "Too" is implicit.  As in "Black Lives Matter (Too)," as though that part was so obvious, it just went without saying.

Between you and the leaders of that group, based on your statements and various issue stances, it would not be a safe assumption, Himu.  I don't buy that you believe all human lives matter.   I don't think you hold the underlying value that all humans are created equal.

Hell, I don't even think you can convince anyone who can do math that you even think black lives matter very much.

Your views on what it means that "all humans are created equal" are so funhouse-mirror distorted that I don't think you bringing it up packs the punch that you think it does...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 07:44:01 PM

Am I correct assuming this is what you label "hashtag slacktivism" to be?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/08/11/on-the-anniversary-of-michael-browns-death-black-activists-recall-how-social-media-was-used-to-tell-the-real-story-from-ferguson-to-baltimore/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-ferguson-black-lives-matter-still-wields-influence-1439143426

Sure looks like a lot of hashtag slacktivism, enabling people a platform to learn facts that threaten them and mobilize to protest. All we do is sit at our computers and phones and don't do anything about it, apparently.

Lots of weird language coming from BLM opponents. "hashtag slacktivism" and "pre-packaged slogans" seems to make me think nothing they ever do would make you happy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Boogie on August 19, 2015, 07:48:52 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:31:17 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2015, 07:04:46 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 06:14:00 PM

Leaving this here for JD-san

http://fusion.net/story/184032/black-lives-matter-martin-luther-king-hate-mail/?utm_source=facebook

I think that's a pretty insincere and vainglorious argument. People around at the nascency of the civil rights movement telling MLK to hush and maybe ride out this Jim Crow thing out for a bit longer is a maybe a bit different than thinking #blacklivesmatter flashmobs at Bernie Saunders rallies might be a bit counter-productive.

Taking to the streets and not leaving the streets after Ferguson, that was genuinely productive. It was spontaneous, directionless, yet still probably had more positive policy impact than this hashtag slactivism bullshit ever will.

Dunno, I'll  be happy if this actually moves the goalposts and makes the Dem candidates commit to some meaningful policies that address policy brutality on blacks/incarceration rates for drug offenses vs. non-blacks etc.. Seems most I've heard (sorry you too Himu) just want to be heard and pay no mind if they're actually listened to.

Who said anything about Flash Mobs? The post was directed at JayDub, who posits that Black Lives Matters supporters are racist and part of the problem.

Woosh.

A real fucking big woosh at that.

Thought you had him on ignore?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 07:50:27 PM

I know JD's type. I don't have to read his posts to have an idea of what he's going to say. I keep baiting him for a reason, because he's predictable and dumb. I learned enough about his thought process from my Ferguson thread to know where he will deter any one conversation on this topic.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Boogie on August 19, 2015, 08:08:57 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:50:27 PM

I know JD's type. I don't have to read his posts to have an idea of what he's going to say. I keep baiting him for a reason, because he's predictable and dumb. I learned enough about his thought process from my Ferguson thread to know where he will deter any one conversation on this topic.

okay, well, in that case, though I am loath to grant JD points in general,

"Sandra Bland got arrested and was ultimately killed"

Sandra Bland was not "killed".   She committed suicide.   That does not make it any less of a tragedy, but that is what happened. 

And yes, you do sound more than a little loopy if you're suggesting otherwise.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2015, 08:10:31 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:44:01 PM

Am I correct assuming this is what you label "hashtag slacktivism" to be?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/08/11/on-the-anniversary-of-michael-browns-death-black-activists-recall-how-social-media-was-used-to-tell-the-real-story-from-ferguson-to-baltimore/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-ferguson-black-lives-matter-still-wields-influence-1439143426

Sure looks like a lot of hashtag slacktivism, enabling people a platform to learn facts that threaten them and mobilize to protest. All we do is sit at our computers and phones and don't do anything about it, apparently.

Lots of weird language coming from BLM opponents. "hashtag slacktivism" and "pre-packaged slogans" seems to make me think nothing they ever do would make you happy.

ahem, I'm really not interested in getting into a pissing match with you Himu when I could be shitting down JayDubya's mouth right now, but I already praised the Ferguson response (if you couldn't get that that was a catch-all term for the many wonderful response protest movements in the last year or two then we're just talking past each other)

But why the fuck are people shutting down a fringe candidate. He knows he won't win and probably just want's in on the conversation, and now that he's actually entered the conversation...

He's running on a broad social justice platform, explain why you think shutting him down is smart. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2015, 08:23:06 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 19, 2015, 08:16:31 PM

Ah yes, the good old Ferguson thread, where a guy robbed a store and attacked a cop and yet you presented the tale as an innocent kid who was brutally and pointlessly executed because zOMG RACISM.  Based on your Bland comment, I bet you still believe that account is the truth, facts and evidence be damned.

And given that, you calling anyone dumb is beyond risible.

$100 to Planned Parenthood right now. (http://imgur.com/bF570Ml)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 19, 2015, 08:27:26 PM

You're killing the children, Larry.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 08:31:54 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 19, 2015, 08:27:55 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2015, 08:23:06 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 19, 2015, 08:16:31 PM

Ah yes, the good old Ferguson thread, where a guy robbed a store and attacked a cop and yet you presented the tale as an innocent kid who was brutally and pointlessly executed because zOMG RACISM.  Based on your Bland comment, I bet you still believe that account is the truth, facts and evidence be damned.

And given that, you calling anyone dumb is beyond risible.

$100 to Planned Parenthood right now.

Whether true or not, you going into detail about how you're trash and you don't deserve to live is all you, buddy.

Ain't like I thought much better of you to begin with.

God it's so rich. It pairs so well with this Chardonnay too.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 08:33:11 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2015, 08:10:31 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:44:01 PM

Am I correct assuming this is what you label "hashtag slacktivism" to be?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/08/11/on-the-anniversary-of-michael-browns-death-black-activists-recall-how-social-media-was-used-to-tell-the-real-story-from-ferguson-to-baltimore/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-ferguson-black-lives-matter-still-wields-influence-1439143426

Sure looks like a lot of hashtag slacktivism, enabling people a platform to learn facts that threaten them and mobilize to protest. All we do is sit at our computers and phones and don't do anything about it, apparently.

Lots of weird language coming from BLM opponents. "hashtag slacktivism" and "pre-packaged slogans" seems to make me think nothing they ever do would make you happy.

ahem, I'm really not interested in getting into a pissing match with you Himu when I could be shitting down JayDubya's mouth right now, but I already praised the Ferguson response (if you couldn't get that that was a catch-all term for the many wonderful response protest movements in the last year or two then we're just talking past each other)

But why the fuck are people shutting down a fringe candidate. He knows he won't win and probably just want's in on the conversation, and now that he's actually entered the conversation...

He's running on a broad social justice platform, explain why you think shutting him down is smart. :lol

So you were fine with Black Lives Matter before the Bernie situation?

Do you realize that BLM is not an organized movement in the sense where there's a centralized speaking party? There's the hashtag, but there's also city chapters and organizations. I am part of Black Lives Matter Texas myself. The people who interrupted him a few weeks ago aren't even a part of any BLM Seattle organization, and are actually tied to anarchists, yet you seem dead pressed to throw away support for BLM the second they do anything that you disagree with as an overall movement despite no clear leader.

In many ways, your thinking is similar to JayDubya's. You have judged an entire movement based on...one, two? instances.

If all it takes for you to not support them because they interrupted a fringe candidate (who again, didn't really speak for the racial injustice at all), then perhaps you weren't really supportive of the movement to begin with?

(http://cuddlebuggery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/rashida-jones-the-office-shrug-gif.gif)

"But they were rude!"

Who gives a fuck? And them being rude means that now the entire Black Lives Matter movement, across the hashtag as well as real world protests is nothing more than - again, your words - "a flash mob"?

Tell me how Bernie is immune to critique? Who cares if he's an ally? Has he showed to any rallies lately? Did he march in Ferguson? Did he march in HIS state? Scuttlebutt says no.

I highly suggest researching protests and protest behavior before we continue this any further.

This is a solid primer and also involves the lgbt protests I mentioned yesterday.

https://youtu.be/xAm7IaJNEtI

Remember when Mandark said it's a good thing evaluate one's convictions so they don't go along with ones tribe? Now's a pretty good time for that, because everything you're telling me reeks of discarding a legitimate movement in the name of (uh oh, catchphrase time) respectability.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 19, 2015, 08:38:05 PM

JayDubya's presence here is super weird.  Who would hang around a place where they think everyone is complicit in mass murder?  Also most people here genuinely like each other.  Like we've known each other for years and get along and I've been to people's weddings and know their kids and shit but JD's a weird poster who has dedicated a large part of his life to being a contrarian on forums where no one likes him.  Kind of sad if he wasn't a racist asshole.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 19, 2015, 08:57:28 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 08:33:11 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2015, 08:10:31 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:44:01 PM

Am I correct assuming this is what you label "hashtag slacktivism" to be?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/08/11/on-the-anniversary-of-michael-browns-death-black-activists-recall-how-social-media-was-used-to-tell-the-real-story-from-ferguson-to-baltimore/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-ferguson-black-lives-matter-still-wields-influence-1439143426

Sure looks like a lot of hashtag slacktivism, enabling people a platform to learn facts that threaten them and mobilize to protest. All we do is sit at our computers and phones and don't do anything about it, apparently.

Lots of weird language coming from BLM opponents. "hashtag slacktivism" and "pre-packaged slogans" seems to make me think nothing they ever do would make you happy.

ahem, I'm really not interested in getting into a pissing match with you Himu when I could be shitting down JayDubya's mouth right now, but I already praised the Ferguson response (if you couldn't get that that was a catch-all term for the many wonderful response protest movements in the last year or two then we're just talking past each other)

But why the fuck are people shutting down a fringe candidate. He knows he won't win and probably just want's in on the conversation, and now that he's actually entered the conversation...

He's running on a broad social justice platform, explain why you think shutting him down is smart. :lol

So you were fine with Black Lives Matter before the Bernie situation?

Do you realize that BLM is not an organized movement in the sense where there's a centralized speaking party? There's the hashtag, but there's also city chapters and organizations. I am part of Black Lives Matter Texas myself. The people who interrupted him a few weeks ago aren't even a part of any BLM Seattle organization, and are actually tied to anarchists, yet you seem dead pressed to throw away support for BLM the second they do anything that you disagree with as an overall movement despite no clear leader.

In many ways, your thinking is similar to JayDubya's. You have judged an entire movement based on...one, two? instances.

If all it takes for you to not support them because they interrupted a fringe candidate (who again, didn't really speak for the racial injustice at all), then perhaps you weren't really supportive of the movement to begin with?

(http://cuddlebuggery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/rashida-jones-the-office-shrug-gif.gif)

"But they were rude!"

Who gives a fuck? And them being rude means that now the entire Black Lives Matter movement, across the hashtag as well as real world protests is nothing more than - again, your words - "a flash mob"?

Tell me how Bernie is immune to critique? Who cares if he's an ally? Has he showed to any rallies lately? Did he march in Ferguson? Did he march in HIS state? Scuttlebutt says no.

I highly suggest researching protests and protest behavior before we continue this any further.

This is a solid primer and also involves the lgbt protests I mentioned yesterday.

https://youtu.be/xAm7IaJNEtI

Remember when Mandark said it's a good thing evaluate one's convictions so they don't go along with ones tribe? Now's a pretty good time for that, because everything you're telling me reeks of discarding a legitimate movement in the name of (uh oh, catchphrase time) respectability.

I'm not going to go round and round on this, so here...

"So you were fine with Black Lives Matter before the Bernie situation?"
- Yes, hope that was a misfire, and I say that not as someone who holds Saunders as some Sacred Cow but looks at the protesters and just think "WTF are you at??".

"Do you realize that BLM is not an organized movement in the sense where there's a centralized speaking party? There's the hashtag, but there's also city chapters and organizations. I am part of Black Lives Matter Texas myself. The people who interrupted him a few weeks ago aren't even a part of any BLM Seattle organization, and are actually tied to anarchists, yet you seem dead pressed to throw away support for BLM the second they do anything that you disagree with as an overall movement despite no clear leader."
- Over how many posts did you fall in line and defend Saunders as a target because he wasn't saying exactly what you wanted to hear RIGHT NOW. I do not know what to say here Himu ???


"But they were rude!" Who gives a fuck? And them being rude means that now the entire Black Lives Matter movement, across the hashtag as well as real world protests is nothing more than - again, your words - "a flash mob"?
- Huh? I like rude. Rude is good. It's stupid that bothers me.

"Tell me how Bernie is immune to critique? Who cares if he's an ally? Has he showed to any rallies lately? Did he march in Ferguson? Did he march in HIS state? Scuttlebutt says no."
- Immune to critique? Never. Feel his social justice rhetoric is too broad and feel you can't support him? OK. Worthy of being deemed an intractable part of the establishment that must be engaged through disruptive protest countermeasures? FUCKING RIDICULOUS

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 09:26:26 PM

Quote from: Boogie on August 19, 2015, 08:08:57 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:50:27 PM

I know JD's type. I don't have to read his posts to have an idea of what he's going to say. I keep baiting him for a reason, because he's predictable and dumb. I learned enough about his thought process from my Ferguson thread to know where he will deter any one conversation on this topic.

okay, well, in that case, though I am loath to grant JD points in general,

"Sandra Bland got arrested and was ultimately killed"

Sandra Bland was not "killed".   She committed suicide.   That does not make it any less of a tragedy, but that is what happened. 

And yes, you do sound more than a little loopy if you're suggesting otherwise.

Okay. I just don't buy the suicide. The bar was 5 foot tall, girl is over 6 foot if memory serves. Given there's a precedent for guards and jailers killing people that are supposed to be under their custody, I don't trust the police in this case, especially THOSE Texas police near Prairie View. as far I can throw them.

I'm currently waiting for results from a private autopsy results. You say she wasn't murdered, it was suicide, when the police in this situation have been running around changing the conversation constantly, making them look culpable. Whenever police do that, they always look suspect. Just like how they refuse right now to handover dashcam footage of the murder they pulled on poor Zachary.

Where's your convincing evidence she killed herself? Are you one of the people that says she ingested a "large amount of marijuana" as well?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 09:39:24 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2015, 08:57:28 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 08:33:11 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on August 19, 2015, 08:10:31 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:44:01 PM

Am I correct assuming this is what you label "hashtag slacktivism" to be?

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/08/11/on-the-anniversary-of-michael-browns-death-black-activists-recall-how-social-media-was-used-to-tell-the-real-story-from-ferguson-to-baltimore/

http://www.wsj.com/articles/a-year-after-ferguson-black-lives-matter-still-wields-influence-1439143426

Sure looks like a lot of hashtag slacktivism, enabling people a platform to learn facts that threaten them and mobilize to protest. All we do is sit at our computers and phones and don't do anything about it, apparently.

Lots of weird language coming from BLM opponents. "hashtag slacktivism" and "pre-packaged slogans" seems to make me think nothing they ever do would make you happy.

ahem, I'm really not interested in getting into a pissing match with you Himu when I could be shitting down JayDubya's mouth right now, but I already praised the Ferguson response (if you couldn't get that that was a catch-all term for the many wonderful response protest movements in the last year or two then we're just talking past each other)

But why the fuck are people shutting down a fringe candidate. He knows he won't win and probably just want's in on the conversation, and now that he's actually entered the conversation...

He's running on a broad social justice platform, explain why you think shutting him down is smart. :lol

So you were fine with Black Lives Matter before the Bernie situation?

Do you realize that BLM is not an organized movement in the sense where there's a centralized speaking party? There's the hashtag, but there's also city chapters and organizations. I am part of Black Lives Matter Texas myself. The people who interrupted him a few weeks ago aren't even a part of any BLM Seattle organization, and are actually tied to anarchists, yet you seem dead pressed to throw away support for BLM the second they do anything that you disagree with as an overall movement despite no clear leader.

In many ways, your thinking is similar to JayDubya's. You have judged an entire movement based on...one, two? instances.

If all it takes for you to not support them because they interrupted a fringe candidate (who again, didn't really speak for the racial injustice at all), then perhaps you weren't really supportive of the movement to begin with?

(http://cuddlebuggery.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/rashida-jones-the-office-shrug-gif.gif)

"But they were rude!"

Who gives a fuck? And them being rude means that now the entire Black Lives Matter movement, across the hashtag as well as real world protests is nothing more than - again, your words - "a flash mob"?

Tell me how Bernie is immune to critique? Who cares if he's an ally? Has he showed to any rallies lately? Did he march in Ferguson? Did he march in HIS state? Scuttlebutt says no.

I highly suggest researching protests and protest behavior before we continue this any further.

This is a solid primer and also involves the lgbt protests I mentioned yesterday.

https://youtu.be/xAm7IaJNEtI

Remember when Mandark said it's a good thing evaluate one's convictions so they don't go along with ones tribe? Now's a pretty good time for that, because everything you're telling me reeks of discarding a legitimate movement in the name of (uh oh, catchphrase time) respectability.

I'm not going to go round and round on this, so here...

"So you were fine with Black Lives Matter before the Bernie situation?"
- Yes, hope that was a misfire, and I say that not as someone who holds Saunders as some Sacred Cow but looks at the protesters and just think "WTF are you at??".

"Do you realize that BLM is not an organized movement in the sense where there's a centralized speaking party? There's the hashtag, but there's also city chapters and organizations. I am part of Black Lives Matter Texas myself. The people who interrupted him a few weeks ago aren't even a part of any BLM Seattle organization, and are actually tied to anarchists, yet you seem dead pressed to throw away support for BLM the second they do anything that you disagree with as an overall movement despite no clear leader."
- Over how many posts did you fall in line and defend Saunders as a target because he wasn't saying exactly what you wanted to hear RIGHT NOW. I do not know what to say here Himu ???


"But they were rude!" Who gives a fuck? And them being rude means that now the entire Black Lives Matter movement, across the hashtag as well as real world protests is nothing more than - again, your words - "a flash mob"?
- Huh? I like rude. Rude is good. It's stupid that bothers me.

"Tell me how Bernie is immune to critique? Who cares if he's an ally? Has he showed to any rallies lately? Did he march in Ferguson? Did he march in HIS state? Scuttlebutt says no."
- Immune to critique? Never. Feel his social justice rhetoric is too broad and feel you can't support him? OK. Worthy of being deemed an intractable part of the establishment that must be engaged through disruptive protest countermeasures? FUCKING RIDICULOUS

If it takes people who are mostly unaffiliated with BLM interrupting Bernie Sanders - a politician presidential candidate, whose job is to listen to the people - to abandon a movement started by people who just want to have the gift of either themselves or their family, being able to live, then there's really nothing else for me to say. We won't ever agree on this. My problem is you reducing the entire thing - again, because of one event - to "hashtag slacktivism" and "a flash mob" while throwing shade at JayDub for judging the entire movement without one shred of self awareness on your own part. Comes off as Brogressivism at its finest.

:yeshrug

Even Bernie disagrees with you, and he's the one getting interrupted!

https://www.facebook.com/MeetThePress/videos/10153548677077871/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: helios on August 19, 2015, 09:49:17 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 09:26:26 PM

Quote from: Boogie on August 19, 2015, 08:08:57 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 07:50:27 PM

I know JD's type. I don't have to read his posts to have an idea of what he's going to say. I keep baiting him for a reason, because he's predictable and dumb. I learned enough about his thought process from my Ferguson thread to know where he will deter any one conversation on this topic.

okay, well, in that case, though I am loath to grant JD points in general,

"Sandra Bland got arrested and was ultimately killed"

Sandra Bland was not "killed".   She committed suicide.   That does not make it any less of a tragedy, but that is what happened. 

And yes, you do sound more than a little loopy if you're suggesting otherwise.

Okay. I just don't buy the suicide. The bar was 5 foot tall, girl is over 6 foot if memory serves. Given there's a precedent for guards and jailers killing people that are supposed to be under their custody, I don't trust the police in this case, especially THOSE Texas police near Prairie View. as far I can throw them.

I'm currently waiting for results from a private autopsy results. You say she wasn't murdered, it was suicide, when the police in this situation have been running around changing the conversation constantly, making them look culpable. Whenever police do that, they always look suspect. Just like how they refuse right now to handover dashcam footage of the murder they pulled on poor Zachary.

Where's your convincing evidence she killed herself? Are you one of the people that says she ingested a "large amount of marijuana" as well?

I've seen this girl try to hang herself with her arm sling from a stool half a foot off of the ground. She was almost successful. I've seen this is guy successfully "hang" himself using a bed sheet tied around his neck and attached to his leg to provide counterweight.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2015, 10:05:55 PM

Okay. I'll consider that.

Either way, I don't think it's loopy at all to be skeptical of the police in this case given their dodgy behavior.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 19, 2015, 10:18:21 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 01:17:05 PM

Quote from: Vularai on August 19, 2015, 01:02:33 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on August 19, 2015, 01:27:19 AM

Eh I can see both sides of the coin with what PD/Himu are saying. To me you have to attack this on all fronts, institutional and personal. The problem of racism, violence by cops, in America isn't just a socioeconomic one, it's a perception of inferiority to other races, especially white people, that has never really been tackled in the public sphere and laid out. Our own president had to tiptoe around the topic, his own damn race and heritage, plenty of times. That speaks to a societal problem of denial to me more than anything. It's political and controversial to broach the topic despite the only way to solve it being a massive public dialogue. It's similar to how women's issues won't ever be solved without public dialogue, not this hushed voices behind closed doors crap.

At the risk of universalizing a specific historical experience, I don't know how anyone with a passable familiarity with the history of worldwide Jewry can put much stock in what PD is arguing.

???

Expound plz

Because of the peculiarities of Christendom, people who were Jewish could do quite well for themselves economically and this was hardcoded into the mode of production. All that economic capability did little to counteract the fact that they had been rendered subhuman by various power structures. And I'm not just talking about backwaters like the Pale of Settlement, some of Christendom's most cosmopolitan places were just the same; that the word ghetto is Venetian in origin is not some arbitrary lexical inheritance.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Trent Dole on August 19, 2015, 11:47:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 19, 2015, 08:38:05 PM

JayDubya's presence here is super weird.  Who would hang around a place where they think everyone is complicit in mass murder?  Also most people here genuinely like each other.  Like we've known each other for years and get along and I've been to people's weddings and know their kids and shit but JD's a weird poster who has dedicated a large part of his life to being a contrarian on forums where no one likes him.  Kind of sad if he wasn't a racist asshole.

He's permaed from Gaf and this is the closest substitute I guess? :yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 20, 2015, 12:07:56 AM

I think he'd be happier at opa ages or whatever that place is calling itself these days.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 20, 2015, 12:13:02 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-33798136

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2015, 08:13:41 AM

http://gawker.com/are-bernie-sanders-supporters-his-biggest-problem-1725094004

Speak of the devil.

Quote

Those protesters’ main misstep was providing a chance for these kinds of minor-level annoying arguments to galvanize against a trumped-up threat. Despite the fact that Black Lives Matter as a movement is a polylithic collective of groups, and despite the fact that there are black activists stumping just as hard for Sanders, the enemy for the Bernie Bunch has become the whole of black activism itself.

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/b7e079a17671239142c6b98132a3db64/tumblr_nnemkuKeOe1sqia6ao1_250.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2015, 08:23:33 AM

I think JayDubya probably isn't arguing in faith but I'll at least humor this. I've made it clear I don't like BLM the movement however there's nothing wrong or racist about "black lives matter" the slogan. There is no need for a "too" asterisk at the end. The argument is that black lives are devalued and not cared about, so the statement is a direct confrontation of that problem. Honestly I don't see it as too different from "black is beautiful" and other older statements that were clear responses to oppression.

I understand that some white people might not know that and thus are turned off; I'm not sure it's a great slogan for a political movement. That being said, if a white person still thinks the slogan is racist after having the explanation given to them...they aren't worth wasting more time on.

So the ball is in your court, Dubya.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2015, 09:00:06 AM

There's no question that the group is full of emotional idiots but you could probably say the same of most grassroots movements over the last 60 years. There are also plenty of decent people in the group, which is also true of other movements over the years.

Based on the initial way the slogan was explained and used it becomes quite clear it's not racist. I criticize the movement all the time, I think many of its social media leaders are idiots (most recently see: Sandra Bland fuckery). That doesn't prevent me from acknowledging the merit of "black lives matter" as a slogan.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 20, 2015, 11:36:22 AM

I think we need to add "Racial" and "Racist" to the pile of words JayDubya needs to learn the difference between.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 20, 2015, 01:50:07 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jan-mickelson-slavery_55d54b53e4b0ab468d9fd978

Quote

A conservative radio talk show host in Iowa wants to turn undocumented immigrants into "property of the state" and forced into labor.  "Put up a sign that says at the end of 60 days, if you are not here with our permission, can't prove your legal status, you become property of the state," Jan Mickelson said during his show on Monday. "And then we start to extort or exploit or indenture your labor."

When a caller said "it sounds an awful lot like slavery," Mickelson asked: "Well, what's wrong with slavery?"

"Put up a tent village, we feed and water these new assets, we give them minimal shelter, minimal nutrition, and offer them the opportunity to work for the benefit of the taxpayers of the state of Iowa," Mickelson said. "All they have to do to avoid servitude is to leave."

 :kobeyuck
Refer to human beings as assets in 2015 brehs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Rufus on August 20, 2015, 02:00:46 PM

All filters are off, I guess.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2015, 02:02:55 PM

:bow Iowa Cockus :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 20, 2015, 02:34:14 PM

I just learned about this the other day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2015, 02:35:47 PM

When a caller said "it sounds an awful lot like slavery," Mickelson asked: "Well, what's wrong with slavery?"

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 20, 2015, 03:38:51 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/scott-leader-trump-boston-attack

Hey man, we gotta get these illegals out! Never mind the fact that homelessness isn't actually indicative of citizenship status, but he looks Mexican and poor so lets fuck this dude up! Thanks for the inspiration Trump!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 20, 2015, 03:56:04 PM

Can I be deported instead. Preferably to the Caymans.

Title: Re: RETURN TO IRAQ: THEY SAVED CHENEY'S BRAIN! Thread of American Politics
Post by: Mandark on August 20, 2015, 03:59:31 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 11, 2014, 02:25:41 AM

Taxation is slavery, the federal debt is slavery, labor laws are slavery, Obamacare is slavery.

Everything is slavery!  Except slavery, which really wasn't all that bad.

.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 20, 2015, 04:01:52 PM

Quote from: studyguy on August 20, 2015, 01:50:07 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jan-mickelson-slavery_55d54b53e4b0ab468d9fd978

Quote

A conservative radio talk show host in Iowa wants to turn undocumented immigrants into "property of the state" and forced into labor.  "Put up a sign that says at the end of 60 days, if you are not here with our permission, can't prove your legal status, you become property of the state," Jan Mickelson said during his show on Monday. "And then we start to extort or exploit or indenture your labor."

When a caller said "it sounds an awful lot like slavery," Mickelson asked: "Well, what's wrong with slavery?"

"Put up a tent village, we feed and water these new assets, we give them minimal shelter, minimal nutrition, and offer them the opportunity to work for the benefit of the taxpayers of the state of Iowa," Mickelson said. "All they have to do to avoid servitude is to leave."

 :kobeyuck
Refer to human beings as assets in 2015 brehs

That's Corporate Thinkin' (tm)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2015, 04:02:28 PM

I liked that title.  :aah

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 20, 2015, 04:02:52 PM

solve for black lives, and you'll solve for all others that suffer less. that's the point.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 20, 2015, 04:04:47 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on August 20, 2015, 04:01:52 PM

Quote from: studyguy on August 20, 2015, 01:50:07 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jan-mickelson-slavery_55d54b53e4b0ab468d9fd978

Quote

A conservative radio talk show host in Iowa wants to turn undocumented immigrants into "property of the state" and forced into labor.  "Put up a sign that says at the end of 60 days, if you are not here with our permission, can't prove your legal status, you become property of the state," Jan Mickelson said during his show on Monday. "And then we start to extort or exploit or indenture your labor."

When a caller said "it sounds an awful lot like slavery," Mickelson asked: "Well, what's wrong with slavery?"

"Put up a tent village, we feed and water these new assets, we give them minimal shelter, minimal nutrition, and offer them the opportunity to work for the benefit of the taxpayers of the state of Iowa," Mickelson said. "All they have to do to avoid servitude is to leave."

 :kobeyuck
Refer to human beings as assets in 2015 brehs

That's Corporate Thinkin' (tm)

In some sports accounting you capitalize your athletes under contract. :ussrcry

Well technically their contract, but this is not a terribly material distinction imo.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 20, 2015, 04:19:05 PM

Quote from: studyguy on August 20, 2015, 01:50:07 PM

Refer to human beings as assets in 2015 brehs

Gives owner's equity a whole new context.
 :money

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Boogie on August 20, 2015, 04:33:07 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 19, 2015, 09:26:26 PM

. Given there's a precedent for guards and jailers killing people that are supposed to be under their custody,

Not nearly the precedent there is for people attempting suicide in cells.

But there's no point in getting lost in the weeds on the topic, we're just going to talk around each other.  No need to continue the derail on this subject.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: VomKriege on August 21, 2015, 12:34:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 21, 2015, 10:31:06 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/gop-official-i-used-ashley-madison-for-opposition-research-121581.html?ml=po

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 21, 2015, 11:16:06 AM

Seems legit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on August 21, 2015, 03:30:43 PM

Well he could have thought that 69ing was a filibuster reference.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 22, 2015, 08:42:31 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/08/21/msnbc_correspondent_speaks_over_the_star-spangled_banner_at_trump_rally_in_alabama.html

 :usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2015, 07:51:48 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/frQO6s6.png)

 :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2015, 12:34:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/NaIAKcq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/5VDNKhi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ITI3d4G.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 23, 2015, 05:31:14 PM

Thanks for reminding me that I need to find an adult ed Hebrew class, GR.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2015, 05:35:09 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNGipJIUEAAR5EC.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Atramental on August 23, 2015, 05:35:52 PM

Is it just me or does everyone look related in that pic?

edit: And I mean the one before PD's post.  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2015, 05:39:24 PM

The pink hat woman looks like she's reaching out to try to touch the hem of his garment so that she will cured of her issue of blood.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 23, 2015, 05:48:56 PM

That baby looks like it has two mortgages, outstanding student loans and a daughter dating a black man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barry Egan on August 23, 2015, 09:12:10 PM

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-says-tax-code-letting-hedge-funds-away-155930927--sector.html

Quote

Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump blasted hedge fund managers on Sunday as mere "paper pushers" who he said were "getting away with murder" by not paying their fair share of taxes.

In a telephone interview on CBS's "Face the Nation," Trump vowed to reform the tax laws if elected and said the current system was harming middle class Americans who currently faced higher tax rates than traders on Wall Street.

"The hedge fund guys didn't build this country. These are guys that shift paper around and they get lucky," Trump said.

"They are energetic. They are very smart. But a lot of them - they are paper-pushers. They make a fortune. They pay no tax. It's ridiculous, ok?"

 :lol :lol :lol

This election cycle is magical.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2015, 09:16:39 PM

Thank You, Lord JESUS, FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Atramental on August 23, 2015, 09:18:16 PM

http://imgur.com/gallery/sTESWwu

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

Bash a 90-year-old veteran who's currently dying of brain cancer, brehs:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-chris-christie-jimmy-carter

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: VomKriege on August 24, 2015, 06:29:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

Bash a 90-year-old veteran who's currently dying of brain cancer, brehs:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-chris-christie-jimmy-carter

The long held republican hard-on with calling Carter weak is frankly vile. And as usual weird as shit considering Carter greenlighted a risky (and failed) operation to save hostages in Iran while the following administration decided to just sell weapons to the Islamic Republic.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barry Egan on August 24, 2015, 06:53:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na13UwOoc

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 24, 2015, 07:12:06 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 24, 2015, 06:29:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

Bash a 90-year-old veteran who's currently dying of brain cancer, brehs:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ted-cruz-chris-christie-jimmy-carter

The long held republican hard-on with calling Carter weak is frankly vile. And as usual weird as shit considering Carter greenlighted a risky (and failed) operation to save hostages in Iran while the following administration decided to just sell weapons to the Islamic Republic.

The stuff he had to lead through would eat the average American politician as an hors d'oeuvres, let alone a clown like Ted Cruz.

I'd say the same thing about Nixon, LBJ, or any other president I don't much care for.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: studyguy on August 24, 2015, 07:23:20 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on August 24, 2015, 06:53:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na13UwOoc

:lol

Nice deflection to Asians.
You know they shut out Univision from the GOP debates. Probably for the best considering they would have crashed and burned immediately with the entire demographic if the first one had aired over Spanish news networks live.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: team filler on August 24, 2015, 08:44:49 PM

bloomberg and giuliani should be joining this mess soon enough.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 24, 2015, 08:50:20 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on August 24, 2015, 06:53:21 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4na13UwOoc

:lol

I'm really coming around on the theory that Jeb really doesn't want to be President, so he's doing everything he can to tank his campaign.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2015, 09:48:11 PM

Guys...in what world is it acceptable to explain your use of a disrespectful term by saying "I wasn't talking about x group, I was actually talking about y group." And Jeb is supposed to be the smart one...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 24, 2015, 09:50:19 PM

Obama has to be thinking of running for a 3rd term... he'd crush everybody on either side handily.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2015, 11:49:29 PM

Remember when Jennifer Rubin said this was the greatest batch of candidates to ever run for president? Yea...and they're all getting beaten by Donald Trump.
:heh

I used to think the negativity that would inevitably surround running for a third term would ensure Obama lost but now....he'd win brehs. He'd hold his coalition, plus he might just win Hispanics 80-20 at the rate republicans are turning off my brown brothers and sisters.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 25, 2015, 10:05:20 AM

Obama is the greatest campaigner of my lifetime. There's not many (past or present) he couldn't beat.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2015, 10:40:23 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2015, 09:48:11 PM

Guys...in what world is it acceptable to explain your use of a disrespectful term by saying "I wasn't talking about x group, I was actually talking about y group." And Jeb is supposed to be the smart one...

(http://i.imgur.com/SfE7B89.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 25, 2015, 10:50:15 AM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NH_82515.pdf

Quote

PPP's new New Hampshire poll finds Donald Trump in the strongest
position of any poll we've done anywhere since he entered the race. Trump laps the
Republican field with 35% to 11% for John Kasich, 10% for Carly Fiorina, 7% each for
Jeb Bush and Scott Walker, 6% for Ben Carson, 4% each for Chris Christie, Ted Cruz,
and Marco Rubio, and 3% for Rand Paul. Candidates falling outside the top ten in the
state are Rick Perry at 2%, Lindsey Graham, George Pataki, and Rick Santorum at 1%,
and Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, and Bobby Jindal all at less than 1%. Everyone does
have at least one supporter on this poll.

Quote

There's been a big shift on the Democratic side since April as well. Bernie Sanders now
leads the field in the state with 42% to 35% for Hillary Clinton, 6% for Jim Webb, 4% for
Martin O'Malley, 2% for Lincoln Chafee, and 1% for Lawrence Lessig.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 25, 2015, 10:55:17 AM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/aug/24/irs-finds-yet-another-lois-lerner-email-account/

Quote

IRS lawyer Geoffrey J. Klimas told the court that as the agency was putting together a set of documents to turn over to Judicial Watch, it realized Ms. Lerner had used yet another email account, in addition to her official one and another personal one already known to the agency.

“In addition to emails to or from an email account denominated ‘Lois G. Lerner‘ or ‘Lois Home,’ some emails responsive to Judicial Watch’s request may have been sent to or received from a personal email account denominated ‘Toby Miles,’” Mr. Klimas told Judge Emmet G. Sullivan, who is hearing the case.

It is unclear who Toby Miles is, but Mr. Klimas said the IRS has concluded that was “a personal email account used by Lerner.”

I wonder if Toby Miles has won awards and got high marks in ethics courses like Richard Windsor.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2015, 11:12:28 AM

Miles "Toby" Prower

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2015, 11:14:47 AM

It was probably a Yahoo account she used to sign up for Ashley Madison.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: benjipwns on August 25, 2015, 11:23:20 AM

Story says MSN.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 25, 2015, 11:39:27 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 25, 2015, 11:23:20 AM

Story says MSN.

Does she also have a Xanga account?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barry Egan on August 25, 2015, 11:50:06 AM

The Hispanics love me!

(http://i.imgur.com/4L8H8aw.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2015, 12:02:09 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 25, 2015, 10:50:15 AM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_NH_82515.pdf

Quote

PPP's new New Hampshire poll finds Donald Trump in the strongest
position of any poll we've done anywhere since he entered the race. Trump laps the
Republican field with 35% to 11% for John Kasich, 10% for Carly Fiorina, 7% each for
Jeb Bush and Scott Walker, 6% for Ben Carson, 4% each for Chris Christie, Ted Cruz,
and Marco Rubio, and 3% for Rand Paul. Candidates falling outside the top ten in the
state are Rick Perry at 2%, Lindsey Graham, George Pataki, and Rick Santorum at 1%,
and Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, and Bobby Jindal all at less than 1%. Everyone does
have at least one supporter on this poll.

(http://i.imgur.com/BpueLXW.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Steve Contra on August 25, 2015, 01:58:24 PM

Was Romney ever doing as badly as Jeb?  I kind of remember him always being right around 2nd, whereas Jeb is just a terrible fucking candidate. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2015, 02:07:20 PM

Between August 2011 and February 2012, Romney was usually in second place behind whichever Tea Party favorite was currently peaking. His numbers stayed pretty decent, though, and trended upward throughout the whole process.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2015, 02:14:34 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Reset the graph for August 2011 to April 2012. Romney started out the clear frontrunner. While multiple candidates took the lead (Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum) throughout the process, Romney never fell into the dumpster like Bush. Dude is bombing hard. He still has the money and name ID edge but I'm just not convinced he can win in this climate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2015, 02:23:56 PM

I really don't understand why the GOP establishment is pushing Jeb so hard. Hardly anybody wants a third Bush in the White House and Jeb as the nominee would put Dubya's legacy back in the limelight, which they've spent the last 6 years trying to erase from the public consciousness. I mean, I know there's a segment of the public that really hates Obama, but pretty much everybody hated Duby'a guts by the twilight of his Presidency, so if you're going to stack the two up in battle between Duby'a successor and the successor to both Obama and Bill Clinton, is it even a fair fight?

And this guy can't even properly answer the one question that he's known from the start that'd he get asked[Iraq invasion].

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Barry Egan on August 25, 2015, 02:35:45 PM

If you were the GOP establishment, who of the current batch would you back? 

The Bush's at least have a winning track record (for elections...) to their name, and Jeb once had the reputation as being the "smart Bush". I remember Democrats lamenting that he hadn't run instead of W. during his reign.  Apparently no one knew how bad he was at this until a few months ago.

The only campaign that the establishment kind of likes and hasn't completely imploded is Rubio.  If Bush is abandoned I imagine support will move in his direction.

If Rubio face-plants though  ??? ??? ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2015, 02:43:34 PM

As an example, Obama is at 46% right now (Gallup). At this point in Bush's presidency (August 2007) he was at 32%. Bush left office at like 24%.

Good luck Jeb.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Kara on August 25, 2015, 03:41:31 PM

If I were the GOP establishment I'd back whomever I could siphon the most :money off for my buddies and me in this indecorous age of Super PACs, et cetera. :quark

Which is probably what they were planning on doing before El Don.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2015, 03:52:24 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/25/media/fox-support-megyn-kelly-donald-trump/index.html

It just doesn't stop. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 25, 2015, 04:04:01 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-donald-trump-dark-side-gop

Quote

“Twenty-five percent of our party that probably thinks Obama was born in Kenya or wants to believe that. There’s 25 percent of our party wants him to be a Muslim because they hate him so much," Graham said. "So, there’s a dark side of politics that Mr. Trump is appealing to."

 :what

You mean the same idiots you try to appeal to, Mr. Graham?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 25, 2015, 04:15:09 PM

Ailes wants an apology from Trump. Hopefully, Trump tweets that Ailes worked for that failure Nixon and his "news" station is a front for the oligarchy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Brehvolution on August 25, 2015, 04:18:05 PM

I've seen it said elsewhere that the main reason Trump has such a big lead is because republicans are sick of republican politicians.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 25, 2015, 05:59:44 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 25, 2015, 04:18:05 PM

I've seen it said elsewhere that the main reason Trump has such a big lead is because republicans are sick of republican politicians.

There is a bit of an anti-establishment strain that feels like it's gotten burned by Romney in 2012 and repeatedly by Congressional leadership in the Obamacare battle, I think it's likely there's where a huge chunk of Trump's support is coming from.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2015, 06:13:07 PM

They want someone who can win, Romney choked like a dog (present company excepted).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 25, 2015, 06:25:53 PM

I thought this Vox article made some good points in why Trump's popularity isn't so unusual:

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/25/9203405/trump-european-far-right

Trump's GOP is basically the US' answer to UKIP or the French FN—it's a nationalist populist movement. the article makes a good point in that the shaping/evolution of US political parties is only natural in our political institutions (whereas in Europe it makes more sense to form new parties.)

The nationalist populist approach has gained a lot of traction in Europe as their own baby boomers age, economies slow, immigration continues, and the welfare state is tested. It almost seems inevitable in hindsight that the US electorate would also respond to this sort of candidate considering we are facing a lot of the same problems.

TL;DR: White people are scared and think getting rid of the Mexicans will save social security (it won't.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 25, 2015, 06:27:28 PM

Are we at the point where we all honestly think Donald Trump could win the presidency?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2015, 06:30:16 PM

No.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 25, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on August 25, 2015, 06:27:28 PM

Are we at the point where we all honestly think Donald Trump could win the presidency?

Pretty much the only thing keeping me from Diablosing rn is that there are some pretty high Electoral College hurdles to jump. Even then I remind myself that half the country doesn't vote for ambiguous reasons and my blood pressure rises.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 25, 2015, 06:37:48 PM

I'm with PD that it just doesn't make sense in a national election to alienate the Hispanic vote in a gamble to capture the silent majority racist electorate. They all voted against Obama in 2008 and 2012 and he still won. i just don't think they're that useful unless you are are also courting some other very significant demographics.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2015, 06:39:52 PM

Trump won't get the nom but if he did he'd have no shot against Hillary or Biden. You can't become president of the United States while getting 20% of the Hispanic vote, which is what Trump would get (at best).

iirc it's nigh impossible to get to 270 EC without 43% of the Hispanic vote.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2015, 07:04:05 PM

https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/636310210257121280

yea...this is all over Hispanic news right now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on August 25, 2015, 07:09:19 PM

Quote from: Kara on August 25, 2015, 06:36:00 PM

Pretty much the only thing keeping me from Diablosing rn is that there are some pretty high Electoral College hurdles to jump. Even then I remind myself that half the country doesn't vote for ambiguous reasons and my blood pressure rises.

I've seen you make the comparison to the Governator before, but don't sweat it.  The staggered primary system is way more effective at weeding out atypical candidates than statewide elections.  Also, Schwarzenegger was pretty widely supported by the California GOP, no?  He might have been as unqualified as Trump, but he had spent years campaigning for Republicans and building ties within the party, and his campaign speeches were positive, vague, and inoffensive.

Trump is actively looking for bridges to burn.  Eventually support will coalesce around Bush/Walker/Rubio/whomever and we'll have a nominee who's terrible in the accepted, respectable way.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 25, 2015, 07:09:51 PM

Read that Vox article, don't really disagree with it other than that the labeling of those parties as far-right has more to do with the fact that there is no material economic right/left divide in Western politics anymore than some kind oversight in classification. Stank of that :expert libertarian quadrant thing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 25, 2015, 07:52:39 PM

The only reason Trump is leading right now is that there are 16 other idiots running. Not Trump is more popular with the GOP primary electorate than Trump; the problem is that Not Trump is splitting it's vote between Rubio/Bush/Walker etc (Cruz voters are Trump voters, so tack another 7% or whatever onto the Donald's tally.)

As the field thins, Trump will "lose steam;" well, the idiot media will sell it that way. He actually probably won't lose any steam, he just maxed out and his max is less than 50% +1, which is what he needs to win.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 25, 2015, 08:41:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 25, 2015, 06:13:07 PM

They want someone who can win, Romney choked like a Huckabee dog (present company excepted).

ftfy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2015, 12:34:04 AM

There are protests in LA, DC, and other places protesting for the trans women murdered this year and the absolute silence from those in power. DTLA has police in riot gear.

A lot of these people are actually cis. They are also BLM sponsored.

A lot of these women completely passed and they were still murdered. Goes to show that if you turn on the wrong man (or group of men) they will try to end your life when they find out you're trans because their manhood can't take it. Completely turns the "if you pass, you should be fine" line of defense in trans circles on its head. Doesn't matter, you'll still be a target.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2015, 12:56:07 AM

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/anti-lgbt-group-running-ad-calling-trans-women-in-womens-bathrooms-filthy-disgusting-and-unsafe/

Ever notice it's always about "men in women's bathrooms" and not "women in men's bathrooms?"

Sure would love to have this fella in the women's restroom.

(http://i.imgur.com/LKCP5aC.jpg)

Htown got em mad. :umad

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 26, 2015, 01:03:46 AM

Be an adult and GAF about who uses what bathroom brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 01:09:31 AM

Dudes taking pics of other people the bathroom  :holeup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2015, 09:11:37 AM

I think Trump's popularity is due to the fact that he gets to say what he wants without worrying about the ramifications. More and more people feel like they have to watch what they say 100% of the time in fear of reprisal.  So, they respond to this person who seems to have no constraints on his speech (even if some of it is nonsense or distasteful).

I don't  think there could ever be a "lefty Trump" though. Their constituents are too prickly on language or perceived intent.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2015, 11:15:52 AM

Quote from: Kara on August 26, 2015, 01:03:46 AM

Be an adult and GAF about who uses what bathroom brehs.

Don't women's restrooms have stalls? Or do they just all do their business in an open hole in the middle of the room while staring at each other's hoohas?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on August 26, 2015, 12:50:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 25, 2015, 07:04:05 PM

https://twitter.com/CNNSitRoom/status/636310210257121280

yea...this is all over Hispanic news right now.

That was playing nonstop all yesterday and this morning.
If you thought -51 was bad, this might have just doubled it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 01:48:53 PM

Quote

Colorado will not vote for a Republican candidate for president at its 2016 caucus after party leaders approved a little-noticed shift that may diminish the state's clout in the most open nomination contest in the modern era.

The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state's delegates to support the candidate that wins the caucus vote.

The move makes Colorado the only state so far to forfeit a role in the early nomination process, according to political experts, but other caucus states are still considering how to adapt to the new rule.

"It takes Colorado completely off the map" in the primary season, said Ryan Call, a former state GOP chairman.

Republicans still will hold precinct caucus meetings in early 2016 to begin the process of selecting delegates for the national convention — but the 37 delegates are not pledged to any specific candidate.

hmmm I wonder why they -

   

    HomeDenver and the WestStory

Denver and the West
Colorado Republicans cancel presidential vote at 2016 caucus
Move makes Colorado only state to date to opt out of early nomination process
By John Frank
The Denver Post
Posted:   08/25/2015 02:06:20 PM MDT | Updated:   about 5 hours ago

Colorado GOP chairman Steve House
Colorado GOP chairman Steve House (Helen H. Richardson, The Denver Post)

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Colorado will not vote for a Republican candidate for president at its 2016 caucus after party leaders approved a little-noticed shift that may diminish the state's clout in the most open nomination contest in the modern era.

The GOP executive committee has voted to cancel the traditional presidential preference poll after the national party changed its rules to require a state's delegates to support the candidate that wins the caucus vote.

The move makes Colorado the only state so far to forfeit a role in the early nomination process, according to political experts, but other caucus states are still considering how to adapt to the new rule.

"It takes Colorado completely off the map" in the primary season, said Ryan Call, a former state GOP chairman.

Republicans still will hold precinct caucus meetings in early 2016 to begin the process of selecting delegates for the national convention — but the 37 delegates are not pledged to any specific candidate.

The Democratic Party still will hold a presidential straw poll March 1 — a Super Tuesday vote in a key swing state that is attracting attention from top-tier candidates.

For Republicans, no declared winner means the caucus will lack much of its hype. The presidential campaigns still may try to win delegate slots for their supporters, but experts say the move makes it less likely that candidates will visit Colorado to court voters.

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The Colorado system often favors anti-establishment candidates who draw a dedicated following among activists — as evidenced by Rick Santorum's victory in 2012 caucus. So the party's move may hurt GOP contenders such as Donald Trump, Ben Carson and Rand Paul, who would have received a boost if they won the state.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28700919/colorado-republicans-cancel-2016-presidential-caucus-vote

the fix is in  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 26, 2015, 02:08:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/adzIlgJ.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on August 26, 2015, 02:14:18 PM

To further add fuel to that flame when Ramos gets booted out of the room, if you guys hadn't heard.
Cause it's all I've been hearing on spanish news.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhZEPmchxCU&app=desktop

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2015, 02:54:16 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2015, 09:11:37 AM

I think Trump's popularity is due to the fact that he gets to say what he wants without worrying about the ramifications. More and more people feel like they have to watch what they say 100% of the time in fear of reprisal.  So, they respond to this person who seems to have no constraints on his speech (even if some of it is nonsense or distasteful).

I don't  think there could ever be a "lefty Trump" though. Their constituents are too prickly on language or perceived intent.

Some political theorists are saying that Sanders is a left version of Trump in that he's breeding a populist movement.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2015, 03:25:06 PM

Bernie isn't quite bombastic enough. You would need someone with Bernie's record, but Alan Grayson or Michael Moore's mouth.


Actually, thinking about it, Alan Grayson probably IS the Donald Trump of the left. He's just lacking the Q rating and billions of dollars.

 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 03:35:01 PM

Donald Trump is not a populist.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2015, 03:43:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 03:35:01 PM

Donald Trump is not a populist.

Naw, he is. He's a nationalistic populist. Speaking for "ordinary, common Americans" is Trump's schtick because he says "things no one else will say!" He's a populist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Quote

Populism is a political doctrine that appeals to the interests and conceptions (such as hopes and fears) of the general population, especially when contrasting any new collective consciousness push against the prevailing status quo interests of any predominant political sector.

 :gurl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on August 26, 2015, 03:49:17 PM

It feels weird to label Trump as anything but a giant troll.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 26, 2015, 03:50:29 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 26, 2015, 09:11:37 AM

I think Trump's popularity is due to the fact that he gets to say what he wants without worrying about the ramifications. More and more people feel like they have to watch what they say 100% of the time in fear of reprisal.  So, they respond to this person who seems to have no constraints on his speech (even if some of it is nonsense or distasteful).

I don't  think there could ever be a "lefty Trump" though. Their constituents are too prickly on language or perceived intent.

this is similar to my thread starting habits so maybe i should run for president on a new model platform?!?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 03:58:32 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 26, 2015, 03:43:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 03:35:01 PM

Donald Trump is not a populist.

Naw, he is. He's a nationalistic populist. Speaking for "ordinary, common Americans" is Trump's schtick because he says "things no one else will say!" He's a populist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Quote

Populism is a political doctrine that appeals to the interests and conceptions (such as hopes and fears) of the general population, especially when contrasting any new collective consciousness push against the prevailing status quo interests of any predominant political sector.

 :gurl

ok
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122590/donald-trump-not-populist-hes-voice-aggrieved-privilege

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 03:58:48 PM

Donald Trump is a populist.

It's just that populism is basically a meaningless adjective in American politics. Obama, Sarah Palin, Elizabeth Warren, Ron Paul, The Tea Party, Mitt Romney, Occupy Wall Street, Bill de Blaiso, Hillary Clinton, Debbie Spenditnow, etc. have all been labeled at one time or another in the last decade as populist or having "taken a populist turn" or "sounded a populist message."

A populist in American mainstream political language just means that the person is not acting like a "traditional" candidate (aka Thomas Dewey) or is talking about "unique" issues or some horseshit. Or that the person writing about them likes them. Or they say a lot of impolitic things.

When George Wallace ran in 1968 as an independent he was a populist! When he ran in 1964 and 1972 within the Democratic primaries with basically the same exact platform he was an out of touch reactionary!

Populism as an unique trait is pretty useless in a democracy where everyone is bragging about how much they're "FIGHTING" for the people against this set of the non-people or that set of the non-people.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on August 26, 2015, 04:00:12 PM

I don't think the populist/maverick image is anything other than a tool for him to get elected and have more fame and boost his ego. That's probably all he wants. I don't think he cares at all about the political power of the position honestly, just having his picture in every government office.

His way of talking to people makes me think that in his private negotiations, he either pisses off everybody or quietly capitulates because he knows he sounds dumb. Neither is great for leading a country.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 26, 2015, 04:07:54 PM

Why do we care if Trump plays Populous in his spare time. ??? It's a free country and that video game is like 20 years old. :usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Himu on August 26, 2015, 04:13:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 03:58:32 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on August 26, 2015, 03:43:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 03:35:01 PM

Donald Trump is not a populist.

Naw, he is. He's a nationalistic populist. Speaking for "ordinary, common Americans" is Trump's schtick because he says "things no one else will say!" He's a populist.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Populism

Quote

Populism is a political doctrine that appeals to the interests and conceptions (such as hopes and fears) of the general population, especially when contrasting any new collective consciousness push against the prevailing status quo interests of any predominant political sector.

 :gurl

ok
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122590/donald-trump-not-populist-hes-voice-aggrieved-privilege

This is why you don't know the definition to atheist. :comeon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 04:14:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 03:58:32 PM

ok
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122590/donald-trump-not-populist-hes-voice-aggrieved-privilege

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Prior to Hofstadter, American historians tended to have a positive view of the original populists—the agrarian movement that emerged in the 1880s in the form of the People’s Party and other groups, and which eventually shaped, in attenuated form, the agenda of the Democratic Party of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century. These original populists where radical small-d democrats who had a sweeping critique of the inequality of Gilded Age America, which saw the rise of giant corporations ruled by robber barons. They demanded government ownership of utilities like railroads, telephones, and telegraphs as well as a progressive income tax and democratic reforms like the direct election of senators and female suffrage.

In his 1955 Pulitzer Prize-winning book The Age of Reform, Hofstadter painted a much different picture of the original populists than had previously existed, arguing they were conspiracy-minded nativists and anti-Semites. For Hofstadter, populists were forerunners not of modern liberalism but of right-wing movements like McCarthyism.

This is attempting to define populist and populism as the platform of the People's Party/Populist Party which the author likes. The Progressives of the era regularly derided Populism as a political movement and its silly notions that "the people" should have any say in anything. The common man is an imbecile after all.

Even better the Populist/Greenback movement itself threw out the entire Omaha Platform to hook onto Bryan an election later just because he was for free silver and more likely to win.

The Republican, Free Soil, Anti-Mason and American Parties have just as valid claims on the "first populist parties" by our standard non-definition.

The Farmer's Alliance wasn't very open to immigrants or blacks and it's not like any of these movements had much nice to say about Jews. So I don't know why you'd try to make a defense of that.

More importantly from the related articles: What If Stalin Had Computers? (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122568/what-if-stalin-had-computers)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 04:15:08 PM

Quote from: Kara on August 26, 2015, 04:07:54 PM

Why do we care if Trump plays Populous in his spare time. ??? It's a free country and that video game is like 20 years old. :usacry

Because EA gave it away for free on Origin. I need to know if Trump is a Steam, Origin or uPlay man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 26, 2015, 04:24:10 PM

Origin is doing very very poorly.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 04:52:25 PM

Now I'm imagining Trump relaxing by firing up the Sim City 2000 Urban Renewal Kit and painstakingly editing all the building sprites so they have "TRUMP" on them.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 05:02:41 PM

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/26/the_empire_strikes_back_the_media_political_elites_campaign_to_destroy_bernie_and_trump_and_restore_order/

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The empire strikes back: The media-political elite’s campaign to destroy Bernie (and Trump) and restore order
Last week's Sanders snark-down in the Times is just the tip of the iceberg: The oligarchy wants its politics back

Last week the New York Times deigned to notice that Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont is running for president – have you heard about this? – and even by the Gray Lady’s usual standard of treating everyone to the left of the Obama-Clinton Democratic center as a two-headed, kazoo-playing talking dog, it was quite a piece of work. Times reporter Jason Horowitz’s dispatch from a recent Sanders rally in Dubuque, Iowa, barely even pretended to be a news article. It emanated tangible hostility from beginning to end – sometimes veering toward distaste, sometimes toward mockery — and was loaded with scare quotes and attack adjectives. Sanders was described as grumpy, angry, disengaged, uncharismatic, judgmental and suspicious “of all things ‘feel good,’” yet also, despite those unappealing qualities, as a cult figure surrounded by a “circle of believers.”

Sanders’ references to the “corporate media” were enclosed in ironical quotes – what a ridiculous thing to say about the New York Times! – and his refusal to engage with questions about Hillary Clinton’s perceived political liabilities was described, twice within two paragraphs, as disdainful. Toward the end of the article, Horowitz finally expends a single paragraph outlining Sanders’ proposals for single-payer health care, expanded Social Security, free college tuition and breaking up the banking cartel. Without quoting anyone or citing any sources, Horowitz then introduces “the critique that none of these proposals is remotely plausible given the political realities in Washington,” and describes the political future envisioned by the Sanders campaign as a “fantasy scenario.”

...

But that sneering Sanders character assassination in the Times, which sought not just to demean the candidate but his supporters and the entire American progressive tradition he represents, went far beyond that kind of conventional horse-race analysis. It felt less like an effort to report the news than an effort to shape the news. I’m not saying that Horowitz was sent to Dubuque with specific instructions to rip Sanders apart with his glittering aperçus — in the print edition, the article’s pull quote read “A call for an uprising comes with little belief that it will occur” (oh, SNAP) – because that wasn’t necessary. Those instructions were undetectably but unmistakably present in the oxygen of the Times newsroom.

One might argue that this season of topsy-turvy, through-the-looking-glass politics, which continues to defy conventional expectations and deliver unexpected twists and turns, offers the political and media establishment a chance for some badly needed reflection and humility. I mean, none of us saw this coming, pretty much. It’s a moment to listen and learn, no? No one predicted that Donald Trump would surge to the front of the Republican field and stay there; no one predicted that a socialist septuagenarian from one of the smallest and whitest states in the nation would galvanize college-age crowds from coast to coast and emerge as a credible alternative to the Clinton coronation. Across the pond, almost nobody noticed when 66-year-old left-wing renegade Jeremy Corbyn threw his hat into the British Labour Party’s leadership race, in defiance of the apparent consensus that the party needed to tack rightward after its recent electoral defeat. Barring some unforeseen and nearly unimaginable turn of events, it now appears that Corbyn will take the reins as leader of Her Majesty’s Opposition on Sept. 12, despite overwhelming opposition from Labour insiders and elected officials.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 05:03:25 PM

Re: Thread Title
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNQ_M-LVAAAD6EW.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on August 26, 2015, 05:13:49 PM

US is really behind on their political hat game.
I mean we're at least 2 or 3 presidential cycles away from catching up to Japan for instance.
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02961/japanese-politicia_2961897b.jpg)

Quote

The fruity fashion did backfire once when Tomoyuki Hosoya, a vice-governor, faced widespread criticism when he turned up for an international conference on anti-disaster measures wearing a giant cherry hat.

This could be us one day.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Atramental on August 26, 2015, 10:41:40 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 26, 2015, 05:52:08 PM

I hope Trump gets the nom so we can get a non-Hillary democrat to win the general.

There's just no fucking way Trump will ever get the hispanic vote needed to win the general election. Even if he somehow makes amends, the democrats can just run the 'mexicans are rapists' clip a bazillion times in political ads weeks before the election, and it's game over.

As others have pointed out, that makes it unlikely Trump will get the nomination. But if not Trump, then who? Jeb Bush is clumsy as hell.

https://www.facebook.com/everythingisterrible/videos/10155831394760517/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 10:42:54 PM

Me and PD have been telling you guys for years! His key attribute: Last Acceptable Man Standing!

That video just proves it to me. He's got that attribute in spades.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on August 26, 2015, 11:15:06 PM

I appreciate everyone trying to place Trump's campaign in a larger context or analyze his peculiar appeal.

But he's a white guy in America capitalizing on a distrust of brown people.  We sure we're not overthinking this?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 11:20:06 PM

I've been trying to tell people for the last two years that hating brown people was going to be the only important issue of the GOP primary. I'll admit I didn't see Trump being the standard bearer, I was imagining some kind of neo-Tancredo getting outsized support and everyone in the bubble being like HUH?!? It being Trump, and Trump actually running, is just the gravy on the train.

BUILD THE DANG FENCE.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 26, 2015, 11:28:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 05:02:41 PM

http://www.salon.com/2015/08/26/the_empire_strikes_back_the_media_political_elites_campaign_to_destroy_bernie_and_trump_and_restore_order/

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The empire strikes back: The media-political elite’s campaign to destroy Bernie (and Trump) and restore order

"Hey this sounds a lot like an Andrew O'Hehir headline." *click* *shakes head*

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Post by: benjipwns on August 26, 2015, 11:34:47 PM

Quote

Al Sharpton is leaving MSNBC's weekday dayside lineup, and moving to Sunday mornings.

Sharpton's last weekday "PoliticsNation" will be Sept. 4. He moves to Sundays a month later on Oct. 4, according to a memo sent to MSNBC staff by the channel's president Phil Griffin Wednesday evening.

"I want to congratulate Al and his team. For four years they have done a terrific job bringing his voice and a big spotlight to issues of justice, civil rights and equality. And as many of you know, The Rev never missed a show," Griffin wrote in the email. "I’m looking forward to seeing what he can do with a Sunday morning newsmaker program."

The 6 pm hour will temporarily be filled by "MSNBC Live," the channel's weekday news program. A permanent replacement will be named "soon after" Sharpton moves, per Griffin.

Quote

Sharpton broke the news of his new timeslot to the Daily News.

“I never wanted to be a weeknight pundit. I wanted to be a Sunday morning newsmaker," he told the News. "I wanted to be Dr. Martin Luther King, not Larry King.”

:usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: OnlyRegret on August 27, 2015, 02:45:46 AM

Man, one thing I like about Trump's popularity is how it made whoever the GOP farts are flounder in grooming and nominating their pet.
That wasted vote shit where people try to force you to vote for the groomed candidate.

Same shit democrat side. Have to vote for the established typical politician, gotta fearmonger votes away from Berns one way or another.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2015, 07:40:25 AM

Quinnipac:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us08272015_Ueg38d.pdf (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us08272015_Ueg38d.pdf)

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Vice President Joseph Biden runs slightly better than former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton against leading Republican contenders in the 2016 presidential sweepstakes, and has the best favorability rating among top Republican and Democratic candidates, according to a Quinnipiac University National poll released today.

Donald Trump leads the crowded Republican pack with 28 percent, up from 20 percent in a July 30 national survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University. This is the highest tally and widest margin for any Republican so far in this election. Ben Carson has 12 percent, with 7 percent each for former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas and U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida. No other Republican tops 6 percent and 11 percent are undecided.

Trump also tops the “no way” list as 26 percent of Republican voters say they would definitely not support him. Bush is next with 18 percent.

Clinton leads the Democratic field with 45 percent, down from 55 percent July 30, with U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont at 22 percent and Biden at 18 percent. No other candidate tops 1 percent with 11 percent undecided. This is Sanders’ highest tally and closest margin.

Clinton tops the Democrats’ “no way” list with 11 percent.

“Liar” is the first word that comes to mind more than others in an open-ended question when voters think of Clinton. “Arrogant” is the word for Trump and voters say “Bush” when they think of Bush.

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Biden tops Trump 48 – 40 percent. He beats Bush 45 – 39 percent and gets 44 percent to Rubio’s
41 percent.
Clinton edges Trump 45 – 41 percent. She gets 42 percent to Bush’s 40 percent and gets 44 percent
to Rubio’s 43 percent.
 Sanders edges Trump 44 – 41 percent and edges Bush 43 – 39 percent. Rubio gets 41
percent to Sanders’ 40 percent.

If Trump runs as a third party candidate, Clinton gets 40 percent, with 24 percent each for Bush and Trump.

Jeb Bush has a negative 32 – 41 percent favorability rating among all voters, with Clinton getting a negative 39 – 51 percent score, her worst ever. Ratings for other top contenders are:
48 – 39 percent for Biden;
Negative 36 – 54 percent for Trump;
41 – 27 percent for Rubio;
32 – 28 percent for Sanders.

Trump and Clinton have the worst scores among top candidates on honesty:
Clinton is not honest and trustworthy, voters say 61 – 34 percent, her lowest score ever;
Trump is not honest and trustworthy, voters say 54 – 38 percent.

Also, http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/26/morrissey-on-how-obama-has-meant-nothing-and-trump-can-t-be-allowed-to-represent-america.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/08/26/morrissey-on-how-obama-has-meant-nothing-and-trump-can-t-be-allowed-to-represent-america.html)

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Last week on Larry King Now, Morrissey sealed his place as one of popdom’s most incendiary cultural critics by dropping unfiltered, unapologetic, and eloquently devastating truth bombs in the face of contemporary America—and he isn’t done critiquing everyone from President Obama to 2016 GOP hopeful Donald Trump.

...

“Obama, is he white inside? That’s a very logical question—but I think he probably is,” Morrissey pondered aloud last week to a smitten Larry King in a rare televised conversation in which he also addressed suicide, his cancer scare, and his notorious butt-groping at the fingers of the TSA.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mupepe on August 27, 2015, 09:35:54 AM

I've got a Hispanic coworker who started talking to me about the Ramos incident this morning.  She was laughing while talking about it but I assumed she would be angry about it since most Hispanics I know hate Trump.  Then she asks "So do you think he will be President?"  I said "No" and then she said with very great lament "He has very good ideas but I don't think he can win.  Don't you think?"

O.O

I changed the subject with "Oh.  Did you ever hear back from..."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2015, 09:52:34 AM

See, he was right, Hispanics LOVE him. The Silent Spanish-Speaking Majority.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 27, 2015, 11:05:05 AM

donald trump reminds me of a poor man's hitler.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 27, 2015, 11:21:18 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 27, 2015, 11:05:05 AM

donald trump reminds me of a poor man's hitler.

Obama?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on August 27, 2015, 11:36:11 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on August 27, 2015, 09:35:54 AM

I've got a Hispanic coworker who started talking to me about the Ramos incident this morning.  She was laughing while talking about it but I assumed she would be angry about it since most Hispanics I know hate Trump.  Then she asks "So do you think he will be President?"  I said "No" and then she said with very great lament "He has very good ideas but I don't think he can win.  Don't you think?"

O.O

I changed the subject with "Oh.  Did you ever hear back from..."

Was talking to my warehouse crew and the only thing on the radio was the exchange between Trump and Ramos all day. None of them had any good to say about that. Went to visit my parents later and that's all they were talking about too. Lot of fucking angry Mexicans around my parts. Anecdotal but still. I mean online I just see a shitload of hand wringing over this shit. There's literally no way other Democratic and Republican canidates aren't lining up interviews with Ramos down the road. Even if the Republicans are shot with Latino votes, not even Jeb will be so far gone that Univision will deny him an interview imo. Trump is just something else.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on August 27, 2015, 01:12:47 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 27, 2015, 01:05:34 PM

You know I think it's kinda weird people are talking about this and people are campaigning when the election is still over a year away. It feels like the campaigning lasts almost two years which seems a bit crazy. Each election seems to have a slightly LONGER and more extensive campaigning season than the previous one too.

There's only so much money you can effecively spend to have your voice heard in, say, 90 days. The solution? Extend this to 180 days, etc.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2015, 01:26:45 PM

First announcements:
2016: Ted Cruz (March 23, 2015)
2012: Gary Johnson (April 21, 2011) / Newt Gingrich (May 11, 2011)
2008: Tom Vilsack (November 9, 2006) / Evan Bayh (December 1, 2006...dropped out December 16, 2006) / Dennis Kucinich (December 12, 2006) / John Edwards (December 26, 2006)
2004: Howard Dean (Exploratory: May 31, 2002; Officially Announced: June 23, 2003)
2000: John Kasich (February 15, 1999)
1996: Phil Gramm (February 24, 1995)
1992: Paul Tsongas (April 30, 1991)
1988: Pete du Pont (September 16, 1986)
1984: Alan Cranston (February 2, 1983)
1980: George H.W. Bush (May 1, 1979)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on August 27, 2015, 01:35:09 PM

Welp, so much for that then. (du Pont being the conspicuous exception. :hitler )

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2015, 01:39:05 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 27, 2015, 01:36:03 PM

Announcements aren't really a good measure though.

Exactly, the media shifted to 2016 musings as soon as the last ballots were counted in the 2012 election.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2015, 01:56:19 PM

Yeah, problem is that due to electoral law, the exploratory committee didn't exist in its modern form until after McCain-Feingold. So you could effectively run for President without needing to do that all that crap. Reagan essentially ran for President from like 1974-1980. Had Ford won, he would have been term-limited in 1980.

Perhaps more interesting is some of the late announcements. Bill Clinton doesn't announce until October 1991 iirc. I think that's the last cycle where anybody jumped in under six months before Iowa.

EDIT: Yeah, the 1992 Democrats:
Tsongas - April 30th
Wilder - September 13th
Harkin - September 15th (at his world famous STEAK FRY!)
Kerrey - September 30th
Clinton - October 3rd
Jerry Brown - October 21st

And Pat Buchanan who decided to challenge H.W. Bush in New Hampshire:
December 10th, 1991

Quote

My friends, we come to New Hampshire at a crossroads in our country's history.

The long Cold War between Communism and freedom, in which many of us invested lives and careers, is ending. Some of us thought we would never see the day that Communism was defeated, and the empire of Lenin and Stalin dismantled. By the grace of God, America won the Cold War.

But victory has not brought with it an end to history.

Beyond these shores, a new world is being born for which our government is unprepared, and we are unprepared. The dynamic force shaping that world is nationalism.

From Ukraine to Croatia, old nations are breaking up, new nations are being born. And as we Americans have always stood for freedom and self-determination, we should not fear the future. We should be the first to welcome them into the family of nations. For they all look to America as the ideal of what they too might one day become.

In the Far East, however, nationalism has taken on a different and harder aspect. The rising economic power of Japan has filed a claim to displace the United States as the dominant power of the 21st Century. In Europe, many of the ancient states are signing up to exchange their national birthright for a limited partnership in an economic co-op called the EC. In Holland, a conservative prime minister is today being pressed to lead the Mother of Parliaments into yielding up to bureaucrats in Brussels what generations of British soldiers fought to preserve.

We Americans must not let that happen here.

We must not trade in our sovereignty for a cushioned seat at the head table of anyone's New World Order.

The first challenge we face, then, is economic, presented by the rise of a European super state and a dynamic Asia led by Japan. The 20th Century was the American Century, but they intend to make the 21st, the century of Europe or the Century of Asia.

So, as we Americans congratulate one another on the victory for freedom that we, first and foremost, won, and won together for all mankind in the Cold War, we must begin to prepare for the new struggles already underway.

All the institutions of the Cold War, from vast permanent U.S. armies on foreign soil, to old alliances against Communist enemies that no longer exist, to billions in foreign aid, must be re-examined. With a $4 trillion debt, with a U.S. budget chronically out of balance, should the United States be required to carry indefinitely the burden of defending rich and prosperous allies who take America's generosity for granted as they invade our markets?

Whenever there is a natural disaster, anywhere, from Armenia to Kurdistan to Bangladesh, we Americans will be there, first, with aid and relief. That is our tradition, a tradition that will never change. But it is time to end these routinized annual transfers of our national wealth to global bureaucrats, who ship it off to regimes that pay us back in compound ingratitude. It is time to phase out foreign aid, and start looking out for the needs of the forgotten Americans right here in the United States.

So, today, we call for a new patriotism, where Americans begin to put the needs of Americans first, for a new nationalism where in every negotiation, be it arms control or trade, the American side seeks advantage and victory for the United States.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 27, 2015, 02:08:41 PM

I think the two things that have changed is that the 24/7 news cycle is churning out more content than ever, so they always need to feed (which encourages people to get out there). Also, the amount of money that needs to be raised is higher than ever, so they need to get an earlier start.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 27, 2015, 02:10:12 PM

There's like ten channels and the entire internet vs. CNN.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 27, 2015, 02:34:06 PM

The first challenge we face, then, is economic, presented by the rise of a European super state and a dynamic Asia led by Japan.

"Samsonite! I was way off!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2015, 11:53:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oeju2SG7UMA

(http://i.imgur.com/bhF2Ddr.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2015, 03:16:18 PM

I think she started getting work done and that whole downward cycle started. When she should probably would have aged naturally better. She's only 51.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2015, 03:33:19 PM

http://www.progressivestoday.com/unbelievable-news-site-posts-picture-of-donald-trump-in-crosshairs/

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UNBELIEVABLE! News Site Posts Picture of Donald Trump in CROSSHAIRS

After the 2011 shooting of Gabby Giffords, liberals immediately blamed Sarah Palin for creating a political map with crosshairs marking political districts which she hoped Republicans would win.

The map had absolutely nothing to do with the shooting. The shooter turned out to be a left wing loon who needed psychiatric help. Liberals were just politicizing the incident, as they always do.

America was then subjected to weeks of finger wagging from liberals who insisted that we needed a new tone in American politics.

This week, the news site Business Insider posted this story:

The South Carolina GOP has Trump in its crosshairs

One Twitter user caught them promoting the story with a picture of Donald Trump in crosshairs:
(http://www.progressivestoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Business-Insider-Trump.jpg)

Is this part of the NEW TONE?

Can you even imagine what would happen if someone posted a similar picture of Hillary Clinton?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 29, 2015, 03:43:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-paa3wwGWww

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Professional wrestler and actor Hulk Hogan told TMZ he wants to be GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump’s running mate if he makes it to the general election.

A TMZ reporter asked Hogan, whose real name is Terry Bollea, which candidate he would want to fight against in the wrestling ring.

“I don’t want to be in the ring with any candidates. I want to be Trump’s running mate,” Hogan replied.

“Did you hear that? Vice President Hogan,” he added.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 29, 2015, 10:08:46 PM

Quote from: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/ben-carson-there-a-war-on-whats-inside-of-women-but-not-a-war-on-women/

“They tell you that there’s a war on women,” he said. “There is no war on women. There may be a war on what’s inside of women, but there is no war on women in this country.”

 :dayum

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2015, 10:40:14 PM

#WarInWomen

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on August 30, 2015, 04:42:13 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/hulk-hogan-wants-to-be-donald-trumps-running-mate-in-the-us-presidential-election-10477981.html

 :hulk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 30, 2015, 12:27:33 PM

Might happen, just like Gore picking Lieberman to establish decorum on the ticket.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Yeti on August 30, 2015, 07:36:41 PM

Have there been any good freakouts yet from Obama renaming Mt. McKinley to Denali?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f60262f7cb8a4363b3a38b7a035ed66b/white-house-says-mount-mckinley-be-renamed-denali

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 30, 2015, 08:20:06 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-poll-sanders-catches-up-to-clinton_55e23422e4b0b7a96339423c

Wow, maybe Sanders does have a shot after all.  Maybe I will need to start donating and volunteering for Bernie.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Snake on August 30, 2015, 08:23:40 PM

Quote from: Rufus on August 30, 2015, 04:42:13 AM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/hulk-hogan-wants-to-be-donald-trumps-running-mate-in-the-us-presidential-election-10477981.html

 :hulk

It's worth pointing out that this exact scenario may very well have been central to the plot of Gremlins 3 had it been made.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mods Help on August 30, 2015, 08:23:49 PM

Sanders will overtake Clinton after the first Democratic Party Candidate debate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 30, 2015, 08:26:14 PM

I was tempted to make a Czolgosz joke but checking Twitter they have of course all been already worn out many times over.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 30, 2015, 08:30:13 PM

Quote from: Yeti on August 30, 2015, 07:36:41 PM

Have there been any good freakouts yet from Obama renaming Mt. McKinley to Denali?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f60262f7cb8a4363b3a38b7a035ed66b/white-house-says-mount-mckinley-be-renamed-denali

Nothing major, but some fringe sites have complained about it, which is amusing because Alaska has been wanting to change it to Denali for a while [Murkowski introduced a bill earlier this year to that effect] but got a lot of pushback from Ohioans who wanted to keep the mountain named after their native son.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 30, 2015, 08:36:01 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on August 30, 2015, 08:20:06 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-poll-sanders-catches-up-to-clinton_55e23422e4b0b7a96339423c

Wow, maybe Sanders does have a shot after all.  Maybe I will need to start donating and volunteering for Bernie.

sanders_happening.gif

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 30, 2015, 08:38:31 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on August 30, 2015, 08:26:14 PM

I was tempted to make a Czolgosz joke but checking Twitter they have of course all been already worn out many times over.

Anarchism is a religion of peace.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 30, 2015, 08:39:01 PM

that's pretty good.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on August 31, 2015, 08:07:47 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on August 30, 2015, 08:20:06 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/iowa-poll-sanders-catches-up-to-clinton_55e23422e4b0b7a96339423c

Wow, maybe Sanders does have a shot after all.  Maybe I will need to start donating and volunteering for Bernie.

I don't want to discourage you from helping Bernie out, but the fact that the poll includes Joe Biden is probably tilting things in Bernie's favor.  When polls don't include Biden, Hillary still has a 15-20 point lead.  And Biden isn't going to be putting his hat in this late in the game unless Hillary's campaign has a substantial implosion.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on August 31, 2015, 03:47:29 PM

Man wouldn't it be great if it turns out neither Bush or Clinton gets their parties nomination?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2015, 04:00:18 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on August 31, 2015, 03:47:29 PM

Man wouldn't it be great if it turns out neither Bush or Clinton gets their parties nomination?

speaking of Bush
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/jeb-bush-president-2016-fundraisers-problems-213156

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on August 31, 2015, 04:11:39 PM

Some conversation about Carson surging in Iowa as well, but I don't know exactly how far that alone will go. Skeptical that he won't just fade into obscurity as time goes on like another Herman Cain.

(http://i.imgur.com/uykE0xn.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on August 31, 2015, 04:20:29 PM

The good ship Jeb sure does seem to be sinking lately, and Carson is just the new Keyes. 'We're diverse you guys we swear!'

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2015, 09:12:34 PM

Quote from: Yeti on August 30, 2015, 07:36:41 PM

Have there been any good freakouts yet from Obama renaming Mt. McKinley to Denali?

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/f60262f7cb8a4363b3a38b7a035ed66b/white-house-says-mount-mckinley-be-renamed-denali

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/karl-rove-obama-mckinley-hawaii

Quote

Rove, former deputy chief of staff to President George W. Bush who is working on a book about President McKinley, told Time that he'd expect Obama to be "more gracious" to the man "who made it possible for him to be President."

"In a serious vein, I would hope that he would find a gracious way to honor McKinley, who is an important figure in American history. And I’m not certain he has the authority to have done what he did; the designation was granted by law of Congress in 1917," Rove told the magazine. "In a more jocular way, the guy ought to be more gracious to the guy who made it possible for him to be President."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2015, 09:17:48 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on August 31, 2015, 04:20:29 PM

and Carson is just the new Keyes.

Now, that's not fair.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2015, 10:24:40 PM

Yep, Hillary's a 60 year old woman:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNyJZ5OUwAEUkyD.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 31, 2015, 10:30:32 PM

Not my president.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2015, 10:34:31 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNyHVWrWcAAxbZe.png:large)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on August 31, 2015, 11:17:33 PM

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on August 31, 2015, 11:29:58 PM

I looked it up, Huma was married in June 2010 and Chelsea got married in July 2010. I feel so sorry for her.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 01, 2015, 01:10:53 AM

Weiner's game was awful, should have been studying at the feet of the master:

(http://i.imgur.com/AuiYS0w.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: octopushover on September 01, 2015, 11:16:18 AM

there's no canadian election thread here so let me just say that for the first time my electoral riding is competitive.

possibly casting a swing vote :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 01, 2015, 03:22:15 PM

I hope the Canadians move away from the party that willfully tied its economy to the price of oil.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 01, 2015, 03:40:48 PM

If you have some time to kill (it's long), I highly recommend the New Yorker piece on Atlantic City.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-death-and-life-of-atlantic-city

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 01, 2015, 03:48:36 PM

I took my wife to Revel for her 40th last year. 6 days before it closed. Amazing place. Dinner at the Knife and Fork was amazing too and it should have been for the price.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: octopushover on September 01, 2015, 04:26:52 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 01, 2015, 03:22:15 PM

I hope the Canadians move away from the party that willfully tied its economy to the price of oil.

You and the 60% of us who voted for someone else.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 01, 2015, 07:11:47 PM

In light of the Chipotle lawsuit are we going to pretend like HRC hasn't lost California now?

Never undersell the Bell.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 01, 2015, 11:00:23 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/4SNPw69.png?1)

:preach

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2015, 11:51:35 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/clinton-2016-has-never-made-sense-for-democrats/401597/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 02, 2015, 12:01:29 AM

 The Donald showing how the sausage is made. :noooo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on September 02, 2015, 12:33:19 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLRfjaBUMAArjcM.jpg:large)

Indeed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2015, 02:04:53 AM

well when you put it like that it's hard to argue against.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2015, 03:44:29 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Patriot_Party

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It was led by its founder, Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr., through various organizational incarnations. The organization began in the mid-1970s as the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan. It was involved in the incident in Greensboro, North Carolina when a confrontation between Klansmen, Nazis and communists left five people dead. The organization became the Confederate Knights of the Ku Klux Klan in the early 1980s and the White Patriot Party in 1985.

At a time of a poor farming economy in North Carolina, the group built support by blaming economic problems on Jewish bankers. Estimates were that its numbers might have been as high as 3000. On April 6, 1987, the group declared war against the federal government, which they called "person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Occupation Government" (ZOG).

The WPP collapsed after Miller violated an injunction against paramilitary activity and was convicted of threatening the civil rights activist Morris Dees. He was imprisoned from 1987 to 1990. In a 1988 sedition trial in Arkansas, Miller testified for the prosecution that he had received $200,000 in stolen money from The Order to finance operations of the White Patriot Party. The Order was also called the Brüder Schweigen, or Silent Brotherhood.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_(group) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Order_(group))

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A fundamental goal of The Order was revolution against the American government, which its members, and those of other white supremacist groups, believed to be controlled by a cabal of prominent Jews. The Order was named after, and partly modeled on, a fictional group in William Luther Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries.[2] The Order's goals included the establishment of a homeland (now the Northwest Territorial Imperative) from which Jews and non-whites would be barred. They often referred to the United States federal government as ZOG, an acronym for person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation Occupied Government.

The Order raised money through violent crime. This began with the robbery of a sex shop, which netted them $369.10. Their later attacks were more effective, including several lucrative bank robberies, as well as bombings of a theater and a synagogue. The Order ran a large[3] counterfeiting operation, and executed a series of armored car robberies, including one near Ukiah, California that netted $3.6 million.[4] Proceeds from these robberies were distributed to leaders of sympathetic organisations such as William Pierce (National Alliance) and Frazier Glenn Miller, Jr. (White Patriot Party).[5]

The Order drew up a hit list of enemies, and on June 18, 1984 radio talk show host Alan Berg was murdered in front of his home by Bruce Pierce, assisted by other members of The Order.[6] Berg was number two on The Order's list.[7]

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Motto   Thou art my battle axe and weapons of war: for with thee will I break in pieces the nations, and with thee will I destroy kingdoms; Jeremiah 51:20

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The Order put Berg in the top three of their hit list, which included TV producer Norman Lear and Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

"They figured Norman Lear would be hard to get and Morris Dees lived too far away," said White.

Berg was an easier target.

Just lazy. And now the Jews are more powerful than ever.

American neo-Nazi/white supremacist parties have as many splits as the Communists/Socialists. Who will be their Bob Avakian to bring synthesis?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on September 02, 2015, 04:22:21 AM

ha ha ha I guess, but then there are the un-bolded parts "left five people dead," "bombings of a theater and synagogue," and "murdered in front of his home"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2015, 04:30:01 AM

Sorry, about not posting singularly comedy or mockery posts.

Not that a bunch of people complicit in the mass genocide of children should blink an eye at a handful of broken eggs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2015, 07:08:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkNhv9_P4c

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FMR. VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: The question you say to yourself was she naive and competent enough to think she could function this way or think rules don't apply to her. No matter how you answer that question, it raises concerns for her being president.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 02, 2015, 08:17:56 AM

There was/is a white supremacist party in California whose leader at one time was named Merlin and I really hoped that he was a Grand Wizard of the Invisible Empire too with a name like that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2015, 09:09:43 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 02, 2015, 07:08:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkNhv9_P4c

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FMR. VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: The question you say to yourself was she naive and competent enough to think she could function this way or think rules don't apply to her. No matter how you answer that question, it raises concerns for her being president.

That heart should have went to someone who was actually going to use it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 02, 2015, 11:05:34 AM

Quote from: Mandark on September 02, 2015, 12:33:19 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLRfjaBUMAArjcM.jpg:large)

Indeed.

this reads like classic modernist stream of consciousness fiction. trump's elite education shines again.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2015, 01:01:15 PM

I'm glad Creepy Stalker found work after you guys kicked him out.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2015, 01:36:06 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html

Jeb's slipped all the way to third place [behind Trump and Carson]. mjlaugh.gif

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 02, 2015, 01:39:56 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/03/us/politics/jeb-bush-donald-j-trump-2016-presidential-election.html

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On Saturday, after remaining with the congregation for a singing of the hymn “Adon Olam,” set to the tune of “God Bless America,” Mr. Bush walked out of the synagogue toward his waiting S.U.V. He was asked by a reporter if he was frustrated with Mr. Trump. Mr. Bush shot back, “I don’t think I mentioned his name.”

But he did not leave it there. After climbing into the passenger seat and closing the door, Mr. Bush lowered the window and, as the vehicle edged out of the parking lot, three more times demanded: “Did I mention his name?”

:rofl dude is legit shook

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2015, 01:48:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itCPGm2W1fE

Bush :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2015, 01:55:24 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/252506-jeb-hits-germophobe-trump-in-new-assault

OH ZING! Yeah, it's not exactly Willie Horton, is it?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mods Help on September 02, 2015, 01:57:34 PM

It's really funny how Jeb's campaign has self destructed over time. All that money, all that prestige, history, and even the last name and he's still fucking it up in a major way. Comedy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2015, 02:05:24 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/09/romneys-horror-at-trump-renews-mitt-2016-talk.html

(http://i.imgur.com/1rA1TdX.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 02, 2015, 02:20:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_VyB4Xb3mk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2015, 05:19:23 PM

Looking at the numbers, Trump is really going strong. If he was just going to be another flash-in-the-pan Tea Party darling like 2012 was full of, he should have already started to fall back down in the numbers, but he's actually been going up through the past week [putting him above his previous high point back in early August]. Jeb, meanwhile, is continuing to shed points, falling back into third behind a surging Ben Carson. At no point in 2011 did Romney drop below 10 points [his lowest was 16.5 as Perry reached his pinnacle of support], but Jeb has dropped to 9.5 and it's not even a sure thing that's he's bottomed out yet since the two most recent polls have him under that mark [and also show Trump inching closer to 30 points].

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/2016_republican_presidential_nomination-3823.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

So...the conventional wisdom was that at some point Trump would crash and burn and then everyone would flock back to Jeb, presumably. Maybe Walker, but his numbers have been cratering even worse than Jeb [he's at 6.3 and falling]. But the longer this goes on, the harder it's going to be for Jeb to pull off a miracle comeback.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 02, 2015, 05:27:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgKWPcpwFDs

This doesn't make Trump seem like a monster tbh.
If anything it makes him seem much more articulate than his usual banter.

Meanwhile at Trump's camp.
https://instagram.com/p/7GXcgxGhbG/

 :gun

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2015, 05:33:03 PM

 "Low energy kind of guy" has to be one of the greatest disses in recent history. It's so simple and passive aggressive. You can tell Jeb is feeling the heat from his donors.

One thing that isn't pointed out enough: PAC money isn't helping Bush. It pays for airtime/media but it cannot be directly used by campaigns. Bush is struggling with campaign money and is cutting costs/salaries. If his poll numbers continue to be pedestrian I can't help but think his campaign $ will crash and the big PAC donors will move elsewhere. Nor does Jeb strike me as the type of candidate to cut all costs, buy a campaign bus, and just gut things out like McCain in 2008. That takes a certain level of balls, and isn't the type of plan a "low energy kind of guy" would pull off.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 02, 2015, 06:18:33 PM

People who support Trump like his voice and bravado, clearly they don't pay much attention to what he's saying and probably don't pay much attention to politics in general. So attacking him on what he said a decade ago when just recently he's been calling those he dislikes PMSing rapists won't do you any favors. You won't win the general election by trying to out-trump Trump but clearly Jeb is a bit riled up.

Hillary also has a seemingly energy deficient campaign style so maybe we'll see this again next year.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 02, 2015, 08:32:08 PM

https://youtu.be/ZDcK3cbrn30

 :heh Get clowned on before you even appear at a show brehs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2015, 09:16:41 PM

I guess Jeb! forgot the time that Colbert completely eviscerated his brother at the White House Correspondents Dinner. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2015, 10:13:17 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/donald-trump-2016-protest-campaign-disdain-213247

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“This is the candidate America deserves,” said Jeff DeFlavio, 29, a small-business owner registered as an independent in the nearby town of Lebanon. He said he plans to vote for Trump in the primary, but adds, “His immigration policy is disgusting to me. It’s absolutely revolting … I really don’t want him to become president ever. Ever. He would destroy the world, which is what’s so wonderful about him.”

DeFlavio said he has enjoyed watching Trump exploit a presidential-selection process that rewards celebrity more than substance. “There is this kind of wonderful irony in it, which I feel myself wanting to partake in,” he said.

These Trump voters come from both ends of the political spectrum and from nowhere on it. Their motivations differ. But they are united by both antipathy and a lack of regard for the man they say has their vote.

...

Packer said the most committed of these Trump supporters he knows is a student in California. “He’s really into this one French philosopher [Jean] Baudrillard,” said Packer, explaining that the student plans to vote for Trump to validate Baudrillard’s idea that image has become indistinguishable from reality. “This kid is so left he’s not voting for Bernie [Sanders] because of Palestine,” Packer added, referencing the Vermont senator’s record of pro-Israel stances.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 02, 2015, 10:21:26 PM

I'm sure their are accelerationists who vote in every election cycle, and I'm sure most of them think they are being very original and subversive each and every time. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 02, 2015, 11:35:33 PM

https://instagram.com/p/6xi2dEGhfn/

 :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2015, 12:33:57 AM

https://instagram.com/p/7GXcgxGhbG/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 03, 2015, 12:57:23 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on September 02, 2015, 10:21:26 PM

I'm sure their are accelerationists who vote in every election cycle, and I'm sure most of them think they are being very original and subversive each and every time.

I'm pretty confident that I was the only person in America to have voted for Eugene Debs for California Insurance Commissioner in 2014.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 03, 2015, 01:33:38 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on September 02, 2015, 10:21:26 PM

I'm sure their are accelerationists who vote in every election cycle, and I'm sure most of them think they are being very original and subversive each and every time.

accelerationism more like jerkism (physics double entendre)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2015, 07:48:44 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CN6yHCvVAAAqNIf.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2015, 09:12:01 AM

http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/252515-denalis-height-revised-down-10-feet

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Federal geologists on Wednesday reduced the estimated height of the mountain Denali by 10 feet, just days after President Obama made the controversial decision to drop the name Mount McKinley.

...

The new elevation reading took place three days after the president renamed the Alaska mountain Denali, from Mount McKinley, in order to reflect the Alaska Native name that had been used for thousands of years.

I just can't even...this Administration...

Thankfully it's fighting back against the crushing weight of big government:

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Despite the change in height reading, Denali is actually growing at a rate of about 1 millimeter per year due to plate tectonic shifts, according to NASA.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2015, 09:52:41 AM

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A close associate tells POLITICO that Donald Trump plans to sign a loyalty pledge Thursday that would bind him to endorse the Republican nominee, and would preclude a third-party run.

Trump made the stunning decision, which he has long resisted, to avoid complications in getting listed on primary ballots, and to take away an attack line in the next debate, the associate said.

Trump is certainly unpredictable, and campaign manager Corey Lewandowski would not confirm the plan. "I don't think you can 'expect' ANYTHING from Mr. Trump," Lewandowski said in a phone interview.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2015, 10:06:19 AM

Don't lose your leverage, Don. This party wants to sink you and you need to drag them down when you go down.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2015, 10:12:53 AM

How binding is this "loyalty pledge" anyway? If he doesn't endorse JEB! are they gonna sue him? Maybe he'll just sign in disappearing ink. Who knows, you can't 'expect' ANYTHING from Mr. Trump.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 03, 2015, 10:20:12 AM

Nah better he tries to run again in 2020. Non-establishement candidates became more popular between 2008 and 2012 running against Obama's reelection so he might think he'll have a better chance and possibly say even more crazy stuff.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: thisismyusername on September 03, 2015, 12:11:38 PM

https://www.facebook.com/mikehuckabee/posts/10153233537647869

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Kim is asking the perfect question: "Under what law am I authorized to issue homosexual couples a marriage license?"

Uh... under FEDERAL and now State law, you douche.


Defend a woman that has four divorces because she hates teh gheys, defend a child molester who is on a reality show because he hates teh gheys (lol) who also had an affair on his wife (or attempted to), and defend "life" out of a rape, brehs.

As if his presidency wasn't already shot. UbisoftHuckabeeKeepsOnDigging.gif

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2015, 02:17:45 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on September 03, 2015, 12:11:38 PM

who also had an affair on his wife (or attempted to)

Oh, did you miss the story where he rough sexed a porn star to point where she said was scared of him?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2015, 02:41:35 PM

Why wouldn't Trump sign it. If the GOP fucks him over he can simply violate it while playing the victim card.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 03, 2015, 03:18:05 PM

https://twitter.com/nexttokimdavis

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2015, 04:53:53 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 03, 2015, 03:18:05 PM

https://twitter.com/nexttokimdavis

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@IStandwKimDavis I am Christian and I am being persecuted by NOT BEING ABLE TO LOOK UP FUCKING CHILI RECIPES FOR MY LABOR DAY LAKE PICNIC

Okay, I'm pretty sure this isn't real, but it's just too good. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2015, 05:19:27 PM

Sitnexto Kim Davis ‏@nexttokimdavis  2h2 hours ago
.@gaynewsradio I WILL MARRY YOU TO ANYTHING YOU GODDAMN WANT TO MARRY. BRING DIET DEW

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2015, 07:59:38 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COA1KOqUwAAztFv.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2015, 08:23:47 PM

I'm honestly surprised by Carson's surge in the polls, because I don't really understand where his support base is coming from. I figured that Trump would have that section on lock, but his numbers are actually going up at the same time as Carson's are going up [latest poll has Trump at 30 and Carson at 18]. Carson is basically a Tea Party darling similar to those from 2012, though, so I expect him to crash in the next month or so once he starts to get some serious scrutiny/pushback. Looks like maybe his support is coming from the numbers that Jeb and Walker are shedding [latest poll has Jeb at 8 and Walker at an abysmal 3], so maybe he's being positioned as some kind of far-right anti-Trump or something.

And Kasich, Christie, Paul, Perry, Santorum, Jindal, and Pataki are done. Their numbers have tapered off to a rounding error.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2015, 09:39:42 PM

His numbers pretty much everywhere else are awful, though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Yeti on September 03, 2015, 10:16:00 PM

http://mic.com/articles/124827/watch-sesame-street-lampoon-donald-trump-as-donald-grump-in-this-resurfaced-clip?

https://youtu.be/yQyTpPu0gvc

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2015, 03:22:12 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/t4y26ba.png)

old people amirite

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 04, 2015, 03:56:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 03, 2015, 07:59:38 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COA1KOqUwAAztFv.png)

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/09/03/hugh_hewitt_vs_donald_trump_on_foreign_policy_iran_hezbollah_hamas_military_islam_israel_egypt.html

He got really bent out of shape when Hewitt asked him who the big players are in the middle east. :rofl

God forbid a prospective commander-in-chief of the most powerful military on the planet is asked questions about individuals he may end up fighting in ongoing conflicts.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2015, 04:13:51 AM

I don't know which part I like better, the Wall boasting:

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HH: You know that stuff. You know every developer in Manhattan. You know everything about building buildings. You could build the wall. I have no doubt about that.

DT: Right. By the way, and nobody knows how easy that would be. And I mean, it would be, it would be tall, it would be powerful, we would make it very good looking. It would be as good as a wall’s got to be, and people will not be climbing over that wall, believe me. Go ahead.

Or when he just randomly brings the Kurds back up in an unrelated answer:

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DT: No, you know, I’ll tell you honestly, I think by the time we get to office, they’ll all be changed. They’ll be all gone. I knew you were going to ask me things like this, and there’s no reason, because number one, I’ll find, I will hopefully find General Douglas MacArthur in the pack. I will find whoever it is that I’ll find, and we’ll, but they’re all changing, Hugh. You know, those are like history questions. Do you know this one, do you know that one. I will tell you, I thought you used the word Kurd before. I will tell you that I think the Kurds are the most under-utilized and are being totally mistreated by us. And nobody understands why. But as far as the individual players, of course I don’t know them. I’ve never met them. I haven’t been, you know, in a position to meet them. If, if they’re still there, which is unlikely in many cases, but if they’re still there, I will know them better than I know you.

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If I win, and I’m leading in every single poll, if I win, I don’t want people to know exactly what I’m going to be doing.

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There was an old expression in the early 90s – survive ‘til ’95 that I made up, and I gave

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 04, 2015, 05:13:06 AM

He asked the same questions to Fiorina too btw:

http://www.hughhewitt.com/carly-fiorina-on-gotcha-questions-and-the-rise-of-islamist-terrorism/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 04, 2015, 12:36:51 PM

I guess Ramos was on Fox wendsday and went at it with O'reily on whether or not he actually had journalistic chops? I don't really understand the rationale behind walking into what will essentially be a firepit of an interview... the exchanges were  :lol

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“I think what Donald Trump is doing is very dangerous. He’s proposing the largest mass deportation in recent history,” Ramos said to O’Reilly in what quickly devolved into an on-air shouting match. “Who’s going to challenge him? That’s our job as reporters.”

“How can you possibly cover illegal immigration when you’re an activist .… You should excuse yourself from it … or become like me, a commentator,” O’Reilly said.

Ramos replied, “I don’t think you are the right person to lecture me on advocacy in journalism.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 04, 2015, 08:38:59 PM

http://i.imgur.com/QrcZGc0.jpg

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 04, 2015, 08:39:53 PM

 :cac

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 04, 2015, 09:55:57 PM

Dat bitch bout to get paid. IndieGoGoGo! :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 04, 2015, 10:31:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 04, 2015, 03:22:12 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/t4y26ba.png)

old people amirite

Captain Crunch beating Butt Stuff in all demos?  I guess 2015 isn't all it was cracked up to be :(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2015, 04:06:06 AM

Everybody wants a fence with Mexico!
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/01si63uzmv/tabs_OPI_Border_Fence_20150902.pdf
(https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-09-03/fence1.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2015, 04:07:35 AM

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Donald Trump is blasting Hugh Hewitt after stumbling over foreign policy questions in an interview with the conservative radio host.

“[He is] a third-rate radio announcer,” Trump told hosts Joe Scarborough and Mika Brzezinski on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” on Friday morning.

On Friday, Trump said that the broadcaster’s show is beneath him despite his multiple appearances with Hewitt since launching his 2016 campaign in June. Trump said Hewitt was trying to embarrass him by asking about obscure topics.

“Every question was, ‘Do you know this one or know that one?’ ” Trump said.

“I do think the Kurds are not being utilized properly or being used properly,” he added.

Hewitt is also slated to co-moderate the second GOP debate on CNN on Sept. 16.

Reports emerged on Friday that Trump’s campaign staff are furious over Hewitt’s questioning of their candidate and is considering blacklisting him from future interviews.

“@HughHewitt producer says Trump’s team spitting fire over ‘gotcha’ FP Qs,” Townhall.com Political Editor Guy Benson tweeted.  “Threatening to never do show again.”

oh god at bringing up the Kurds yet again

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 05, 2015, 04:11:57 AM

cross-pollinating from the other thread, final fantasy 4 also had a powerful handsome wall but I don't think it was as successful as the space whale.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2015, 04:37:09 AM

Apparently Hewitt interviewed Jeb shortly afterwards and didn't grill him on specific names or groups. Seemed like a pretty clear hitjob to me.

That being said lol @ Trump still bringing up the Kurds.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2015, 05:28:52 AM

1968 Republican Convention:
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/republican-national-convention-hop-01.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/republican-national-convention-hop-03.jpg)

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 05, 2015, 10:44:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 05, 2015, 04:06:06 AM

Everybody wants a fence with Mexico!
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/01si63uzmv/tabs_OPI_Border_Fence_20150902.pdf
(https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-09-03/fence1.png)

benji let's get boston married and live in sealand

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 05, 2015, 11:40:04 AM

Quote from: Kara on September 05, 2015, 10:44:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 05, 2015, 04:06:06 AM

Everybody wants a fence with Mexico!
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/01si63uzmv/tabs_OPI_Border_Fence_20150902.pdf
(https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2015-09-03/fence1.png)

you two would make an adorbs couple. please let me guess star as a pervy drunken uncle with an inappropriate catchphrase :uguu

benji let's get boston married and live in sealand

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 05, 2015, 02:38:15 PM

Breh you don't want to know how cornball I can be. :snoop

e.g. This morning I volunteered to work a communal farm / garden and I sent my ex a message in stilted English like a Russian would speak full of goofy puns about life on a kolkhoz. :snoop

But yes if my Boston husbando has no objections I don't see why not. There will be no state or institutionalized mores in nu-Sealand.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2015, 05:49:27 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 05, 2015, 02:38:15 PM

Breh you don't want to know how cornball I can be. :snoop

e.g. This morning I volunteered to work a communal farm / garden and I sent my ex a message in stilted English like a Russian would speak full of goofy puns about life on a kolkhoz. :snoop

But yes if my Boston husbando has no objections I don't see why not. There will be no state or institutionalized mores in nu-Sealand.

Did she respond by saying she doesn't associate with proles?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 05, 2015, 05:59:47 PM

No she wrote me back and said she saw a play today that advocated the enlightening potential of the petty bourgeoisie and that she sadly felt it necessary to denounce its author at the next Party congress for this. :uguu

spoiler (click to show/hide)

God I was such a M O R O N to let our relationship fail. :brazilcry

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 05, 2015, 06:37:03 PM

https://twitter.com/WBCSaysRepent/status/639617003221749760

WBC: "What if a clerk denied #KimDavis a license for her 2nd/3rd/4th marriage because Christ calls it adultery?"

We're through the looking glass.

 :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 06, 2015, 12:54:19 AM

You all would like that, wouldn't you. Headline: Against all odds man finds happiness. Well it'll be a cold day in hell before I give you the satisfaction of being happy for me or being a party to some insufferably saccharine love story straight out of the pages of the Daily Worker. Are none of you even thinking of our son CajoleJuice? Can you imagine what that would do to an impressionable young mind? He'll be writing girls sonnets in iambic pentameter.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: team filler on September 06, 2015, 02:08:33 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 06, 2015, 12:54:19 AM

You all would like that, wouldn't you. Headline: Against all odds man finds happiness. Well it'll be a cold day in hell before I give you the satisfaction of being happy for me or being a party to some insufferably saccharine love story straight out of the pages of the Daily Worker. Are none of you even thinking of our son CajoleJuice? Can you imagine what that would do to an impressionable young mind? He'll be writing girls sonnets in iambic pentameter.

0/10, was expecting a reply with something about how horrible the kurds have been treated.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 06, 2015, 03:47:44 PM

Solid Snake treated Sniper Wolf alright,  all things considered. :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2015, 04:23:28 PM

Sorry, I don't read Native American fantasy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 06, 2015, 08:19:49 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on September 06, 2015, 09:41:46 AM

Cajole is busy enough with Matt Harvey's innings limit without adding all that to the mix.

I'm good now.

(http://i.imgur.com/JPrMaie.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2015, 09:28:10 PM

(until the Mets miss the playoffs)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CajoleJuice on September 06, 2015, 10:04:36 PM

 :-\

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 06, 2015, 10:06:32 PM

son why don't you "pitch in" and help with the household chores

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2015, 10:27:54 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/opinion/paul-krugman-trump-is-right-on-economics.html?referrer=&_r=0

(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 07, 2015, 10:57:58 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2015, 10:27:54 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/09/07/opinion/paul-krugman-trump-is-right-on-economics.html?referrer=&_r=0

(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

:banderas:

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2015, 12:12:32 PM

https://twitter.com/FeitsBarstool/status/640198529454080001/photo/1

Tom Brady's locker with a Make America Great Again hat in it. :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2015, 01:38:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEE_ZgcPR-k

Fox News :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 07, 2015, 01:41:37 PM

Nah, her lawyer isn't stupid. He know exactly what he's doing: turning his client into a martyr*.

*Although, it's not working too well, since just about everybody [except Huckabee] is shaking their head over this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 07, 2015, 06:40:36 PM

A ton of conservatives hit the junction of "the law is the law" and "but gays :brazilcry."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 07, 2015, 07:00:24 PM

muh states rights

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2015, 08:17:37 PM

freedum isn't free

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 08, 2015, 12:32:00 PM

THE SHUTDOWN DEUX: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO  (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-08/ted-cruz-to-star-in-government-shutdown-the-sequel)
Coming to a government near you.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2015, 01:12:23 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 08, 2015, 12:32:00 PM

THE SHUTDOWN DEUX: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO  (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-08/ted-cruz-to-star-in-government-shutdown-the-sequel)
Coming to a government near you.

Because it worked so well last time!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 08, 2015, 01:46:17 PM

The scary thing is with Trump and Carson dominating the polls, the candidates who actually served in office could rally behind this as a move to show what they can achieve. What else can they do?

Makes me wonder who would win between a black Republican and a socialist.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on September 08, 2015, 02:17:08 PM

Quote from: am nintenho on September 08, 2015, 01:46:17 PM

The scary thing is with Trump and Carson dominating the polls, the candidates who actually served in office could rally behind this as a move to show what they can achieve. What else can they do?

Makes me wonder who would win between a black Republican and a socialist.

How about a black socialist? Let's be PC here they aren't mutually exclusive...or are they? :hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 08, 2015, 02:37:53 PM

Himu/queen of Ice proves they exist.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 08, 2015, 02:53:56 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/lNEdLBM.png)

Huckabee cracks me up

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 08, 2015, 03:07:42 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/20918/large/guy-with-guns-485x375.jpg?1361936029)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 08, 2015, 03:11:33 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 08, 2015, 03:07:42 PM

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/dk-production/images/20918/large/guy-with-guns-485x375.jpg?1361936029)

I'd vote for that dude in a heartbeat

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2015, 04:53:00 PM

His guitars are Guitar Hero guitars. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 08, 2015, 05:19:16 PM

Gilmore all about that akimbo lifestyle.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2015, 05:59:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEb0VFhrl_k

:whew

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2015, 07:48:30 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/huckabee-cruz-kim-davis

When Senator Cruz exited the jail a throng of journalists beckoned him toward their microphones, but an aide to Mr. Huckabee blocked the path of Mr. Cruz, who appeared incredulous.

Moments later, Mr. Huckabee appeared, joined by Ms. Davis. He stuck close to her side as she approached the reporters, and again when she took the stage, and cast her fight as a choice of tyranny or religious freedom.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2015, 07:50:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ezGlYZE.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 08, 2015, 08:27:32 PM

 And the good overalls with a 15 year old shirt.

The green visor in the front.  :what

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2015, 09:01:08 PM

they looking like NPCs you had to save in the SC Brood War campaign
:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 08, 2015, 11:04:07 PM

This picture brought to you by our friends at quasi-Jesus and high fructose corn syrup.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mods Help on September 08, 2015, 11:09:16 PM

Kim Davis is an American hero. If anyone could make republicans more relevant in 2015, it's her.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 09, 2015, 03:50:00 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2015, 01:12:23 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 08, 2015, 12:32:00 PM

THE SHUTDOWN DEUX: ELECTRIC BOOGALOO  (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-09-08/ted-cruz-to-star-in-government-shutdown-the-sequel)
Coming to a government near you.

Because it worked so well last time!

Actually, it kinda did. We all remember how the GOP got thoroughly routed in the midterm elections because of it, right? And how the democratic party successfully capitalized on the Repubs craven grandstanding and were able to keep control of the Senate and win back the house.

I think a government shutdown would be disastrous and harmful to the country, just like it was last time. But the GOP didn't pay any political price for it, its arguable that it was in fact a net benefit for them. Dismantling government seems to be the only thing they do well at all anymore, the shutdown doesn't go against their orthodoxy and satisfies their nihilist base. I think the only thing that will stop another one from happening is dependent on how much Boehner and McConnell would rather stick it to Cruz then do his bidding. I'm hoping they're still holding on their grudges.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 09, 2015, 03:53:43 AM

Actually the healthcare.gov disaster happened shortly after the shutdown, thus giving republicans a lifeline. Another shutdown this year, especially one with Boehner/McConnell not even pretending to support it, would be a disaster.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 09, 2015, 11:56:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxHapKWbEus

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 09, 2015, 02:30:08 PM

I can't even anymore

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-so-much-winning

Quote

"We will have so much winning when I get elected that you will get bored with winning," Trump said.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2015, 02:53:53 PM

I can't wait to win against Iran, Iraq, Syria, China, North Korea, Mexico, and those dicks in Denmark.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 09, 2015, 02:56:43 PM

A Trump biopic has to have Charlie Sheen as the lead.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 09, 2015, 06:02:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEE_ZgcPR-k

:leon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 09, 2015, 07:30:26 PM

So I'm starting to see the effects of California's Nazi Communist mandatory paid sick leave show up in payroll registers since it came into practice this quarter and it's indescribably amusing to see employees in shit jobs cash those suckers in ASAP en masse. Social democracy. :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 10, 2015, 07:59:17 AM

CNN poll: Donald Trump surges to 32% support

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/10/politics/donald-trump-ben-carson-cnn-poll/index.html

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1109828

¿Jeb? is done.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 10, 2015, 08:17:06 AM

Wtf is this one big joke people?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2015, 08:58:17 AM

Everybody beside Trump and Carson is sliding in irrelevance. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 10, 2015, 09:09:07 AM

My kids made me laugh. We were talking about the mayoral election coming up in November and they asked me who I was going to vote for. Then they asked who I was going to vote for President. I said it's not until next year ..  "Why are they talking about it so much then?"

Indeed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2015, 10:29:37 AM

but have you done your duty and made your children hate President Obama?
 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 10, 2015, 10:40:07 AM

My parents were huge Bill Clinton stans (like as in volunteered for his campaign A LOT, we even had the family car towed once as political retribution :dead) and I wish I could remember approximately when I had to start sitting in campaign offices after school and amusing myself by drawing outlandish agitprop... I want to say it was around a year out from the 1992 election. I mean yeah we're like 2+ years out now but he was fairly late to throw his hat in the ring iirc.

And yes I did actually draw outlandish agitprop. I remember an office finding one piece I did particularly amusing involving a depiction of Earth from space. Like war, people never change. :bolo

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Another bullet point in my KGB illegal origin story? :ohhh

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2015, 05:19:59 PM

Quote from: Dufus on September 10, 2015, 05:07:19 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1110218

Seeing this thread makes me think of Geert Wilders so much. Politicians also refused to take him seriously and scoffed at him, but he just kept on surging in the polls. Just like Trump is now.

These types of reactions from politicians only make Trump more appealing. A lot of people don't necessarily agree with Trump, they're just unhappy voters that want to elect Trump just to shake shit up. If the typical politicians say he's unelectable or whatever, that only makes him more appealing and voters will want to prove those politicians wrong. Voting for Trump will essentially make them feel they are slapping the establishment in the face.

I was just reading this early today:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/trump-seriously-20150909

Quote

There, in those words, is his campaign. I am strong; politicians are weak. I speak truth and never retreat; they lie and wave the white flag to our foes. They have stripped us bare; I will build us back, make this country feared the whole world over. Everything he utters is a version of this, dressed in different raiment or reference — and he's saying it to people, his "silent majority," who have longed to hear these words since Richard Nixon. "He's delivering a message of power and courage without any proof points called policy," says Steve Schmidt, the Republican wise man and campaign warhorse who's been watching Trump with mounting fascination. "A huge chunk of conservatives are unmoored from the issues. What moves them is his tone and attack on Republicans who they hold in complete contempt."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 10, 2015, 05:54:54 PM

I don't think Trump has any real appeal to conservatives other than the fact that he'll send a clear signal about how disappointed they are with Republican politicians. Since 2006 basically conservatives have felt like they're losing power and in the nearly 7 years of Obama being in office,  they haven't gotten anything on their agenda done other than trying to set back liberal policies.

A vote for Trump is just their way of giving the Republican party a big fat fucking F. I am going to predict that Republicans will have lower than normal turnout in the general election since they'll have cooled on Trump by then.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 10, 2015, 05:58:06 PM

You're forgetting that Trump is riding anti-immigration sentiment pretty hard.  It's an issue that appeals to lots of conservatives but one the GOP has been loathe to talk about because it's only a loser.  Remember the backlash against Bush when he attempted some sort of reform?  The gop forgot that but it probably had a lot to do with the Tea Party getting formed so quickly, since the players were the same.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 10, 2015, 06:20:15 PM

Yeah the xenophobic segment loves him for how open he is about it but I think (hope) that most conservatives are so old and have been through so many elections that they would know you need to not look like a total asshole in order to win. Dubya made some pretty big policy mistakes of the military variety but he at least seemed like a nice guy and so he won reelection.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM

Sanders 41 to Clinton 40 in Iowa Democratic Caucus

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=2277

(http://i.imgur.com/8qRhqgc.png)

Thank you based Biden

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 10, 2015, 07:42:04 PM

Tales from the trench: I do some interstate work, but most of it is with fellow blue state socialist dystopias. One company has enough of a presence in a  "business friendly" tax state to have a filing obligation and this year they had to pay an almost symbolic amount of corporate income tax for the first time I can remember because of the way this state calculates taxable income, which they're F U R I O U S about. Meanwhile I don't think I've ever seen them pay corporate income tax in the state they're domiciled in (a dystopia). It's almost like statutory tax rates are nothing but a talking point and the method of assessment is in fact what actually matters. :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2015, 07:58:16 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 07:41:13 PM

Sanders 41 to Clinton 40 in Iowa Democratic Caucus

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/iowa/release-detail?ReleaseID=2277

(http://i.imgur.com/8qRhqgc.png)

Thank you based Biden

The media keeps trying to push Biden, but he's not going to run. Just a Great White Hope for outlets that Hillary.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 08:07:43 PM

Why don't you think Biden will run?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2015, 08:28:46 PM

Because up to this point he's shown nothing to suggest to me that he even wants to run for President.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 10, 2015, 09:23:11 PM

Are you supporting Sanders, Mr Manhug? I only ask because boy it'd be crazy if we were on the same page these days.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 09:36:25 PM

I'm for him by default since Warren has too much dignity and integrity to run for president. But I'm all in—my limited resources and time are his until the the primaries at least.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2015, 10:22:03 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 09:36:25 PM

I'm for him by default since Warren has too much dignity and integrity to run for president. But I'm all in—my limited resources and time are his until the the primaries at least.

What did you think of Biden's suggestion of splitting Iraq into three countries?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 10:34:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2015, 10:22:03 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 09:36:25 PM

I'm for him by default since Warren has too much dignity and integrity to run for president. But I'm all in—my limited resources and time are his until the the primaries at least.

What did you think of Biden's suggestion of splitting Iraq into three countries?

Did he say that? It's interesting how relaxed American politicians and generals are when talking about dismantling sovereign states.

Alternate answer: It already is split into three countries ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2015, 10:40:57 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 10:34:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2015, 10:22:03 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2015, 09:36:25 PM

I'm for him by default since Warren has too much dignity and integrity to run for president. But I'm all in—my limited resources and time are his until the the primaries at least.

What did you think of Biden's suggestion of splitting Iraq into three countries?

Did he say that? It's interesting how relaxed American politicians and generals are when talking about dismantling sovereign states.

Alternate answer: It already is split into three countries ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

This was well before he became VP, like 2004 or 2005. He also discussed it during his 08 run.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 10, 2015, 11:44:40 PM

Years ago the Atlantic had some piece about redrawing the entire Near East. Was pretty scust.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2008/01/after-iraq/306577/

It's like no one paid attention to how France fucked Mandatory Levant.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 11, 2015, 12:35:27 AM

are you talking about the Biden-Brownback resolution? AFAIK, that would have delineated autonomous areas within a weaker(lol) Iraqi federal government, not dissolved the state altogether. The Kurdish leadership was the only camp it resonated with; meddling in state-building and undermining central authority is a pretty surefire way of triggering anti-imperialist rhetoric from the entrenched powers that be in Baghdad (or Kabul, Riyadh, Jerusalem, Ramallah...).

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/01/world/fg-iraq1
http://www.cfr.org/iraq/plans-iraqs-future-federalism-separatism-partition/p14547

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2015, 02:21:41 AM

http://morningafter.gawker.com/watch-joe-biden-reflect-on-the-life-of-his-son-beau-on-1730003121?utm_campaign=socialflow_gawker_twitter&utm_source=gawker_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

:tocry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2015, 05:46:35 PM

THE CLOWN CAR IS A LITTLE LESS CROWDED, BUT WHO WILL GET THOSE HIPSTER GLASSES???

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-perry-drops-out-2016

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 11, 2015, 06:16:36 PM

And he called Trump a bad Christian while stamping off of the field. Might be starting a trend.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 11, 2015, 06:19:26 PM

he said the GOP has the best field in a generation :neogaf

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/642455022647812096 (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/642455022647812096) :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2015, 07:31:05 PM

bubububu Jennifer Rubin said these were all top men :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 12, 2015, 04:09:06 PM

This lawsuit keeps getting dumber and dumber.

http://sports.nbcsports.com/2015/09/04/nike-fights-subpoena-in-federal-lawsuit-against-armstrong/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 12, 2015, 05:08:25 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 12, 2015, 04:09:06 PM

This lawsuit keeps getting dumber and dumber.

http://sports.nbcsports.com/2015/09/04/nike-fights-subpoena-in-federal-lawsuit-against-armstrong/

Lance is really reaping what he sowed. Can't say I am too sad.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 12, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

I watched a docu about him awhile back and it's pretty scary how much he could push around the UCI, or how much he changed the consumer market. I never even knew who Greg LeMond was until this year as a counterpoint.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 12, 2015, 06:41:29 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 12, 2015, 06:03:46 PM

I watched a docu about him awhile back and it's pretty scary how much he could push around the UCI, or how much he changed the consumer market. I never even knew who Greg LeMond was until this year as a counterpoint.

I don't think it's so much that he could push the UCI, more that they were bed partners in all this. The LeMond thing, heh I dunno, I think that's giving too much credit to Armstrong. LeMond as a racer just got lost in the shuffle around the guy who achieved 7 victories in a row in the Tour, but he's certainly not forgotten by anyone having an interest in the race (That last time trial on the Champs Elysées to grant him the win sounds pretty epic). LeMond the sport consultant got vilified as hell though. Armstrong whined all along that he got unfair, jealous treatment because he was an hard working American but honestly I actually no problem with that part of the routine. The truth is that he was hated because he was a mean spirited egocentric asshole. He bullied overtly in race some rider that testified against Ferrari, his suspected doping doctor. He bullied a French rider that had a column in a newspaper about doing the sport clean.

Honestly I couldn't believe he was clean when I saw him, in the Alps I think, scoot up very late (last climb) in a stage and just swallow all the guys that broke ahead earlier with a several minutes gap, including Zülle (Not a great climber but had a great Tour that year and a teammate with him), "former Festina dope poster child" Virenque and "running on fumes so hard he died" Pantani (Probably Ullrich too, but I'm not sure)... All that to finish up top with a confortable 2 minutes lead. The sport is dirty as hell (and I suspect most pro sports are) and always has been (The very early Tour de France antics featured cocaine and some wacky cheating like towing a car and stuff), make no mistake, but doping is not something that have an even effect over the board. Maybe not as egregious as some doping classics (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3rZphEtzSM) but not that far.

His epic frown on the 2009 Tour podium finishing only third (A pretty epic performance for a comeback at his age) after being bested by his teammate Contador in all the dirty on / off road tricks Lance tried to pull to get preeminence was honestly a  :aah moment for me. Then his lies finally caught to him soon after.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 12, 2015, 06:51:16 PM

Found the stage I was thinking of. Armstrong did not win the stage and it was the Pyrénees. It's not as insane as my memories but pretty ridiculous nonetheless :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6DmNMGEuI0

Only the end of it, sorry, only thing mostly unedited I found.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 12, 2015, 06:58:09 PM

VK :uguu

It is a dirty as hell sport but tbh I find that refreshing. No one can be sanctimonious which you see here in the U.S. with baseball (for example). I watched a docu about what's now Team Giant-Alpecin (which is an explicitly "clean" team) and there's a part where a domestique is interacting with the team support car and he demands a caffeine pill and I had to pause the movie and have a laugh at the absurdity of how we draw the line at what is and isn't PED use.

By LeMond I meant that no one talks about him in the U.S. outside the sport unlike Lance Armstrong, not that Armstrong did anything to him. Sorry about that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 12, 2015, 07:33:42 PM

Well LeMond was just a rider in the end. A great one but the US doesn't much care for that. Armstrong was the bestest of all time at the Superbowl of cycling, a cancer survivor and making big bucks as an inspirational figure. The actual sport he was doing was a bit secondary.

Doping is a difficult subject and yeah, where do we draw the line (surely at the very least for the health and safety of riders) ? Out of necessity, cycling seems like they took some very real steps to buff their antidoping policy and it's a bit unfair how the stigma sticked so much when what happens in other sports is pretty much a gigantic farce. Tennis is lax as all shit (Didn't Serena Williams hide in her panic room when a doping test guy rung at her bell ?) for instance. My most recent favorite is Jamaica track athletes. I seem to recall that recently there was a year when the Jamaicain federation conducted only 1 imptomptu test "out of competition" (That was well after several runners got busted, mind you) and the head of the local anti-doping effort was gracefully fired off with only a year in office after she voiced concerns. You've got kook shady doctors (http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/general/athletics/healing-hans-the-celebrities-favourite-doctor-2288488.html) running the show, and doping doctors getting money from the IOC to deleop antidoping tests (This is a great read (http://www.podiumcafe.com/2011/2/16/1997823/tough-on-doping-tough-on-the-causes-of-doping-francesco-conconi-and))...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: chronovore on September 13, 2015, 06:20:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qy75pRQKMU

Whole movie available for viewing here:

http://trumpthemovie.com/about/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 14, 2015, 01:40:21 PM

http://www.wmur.com/news/police-man-who-beat-homeless-mexican-in-boston-said-trump-was-right/34845126

old news but I missed it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 14, 2015, 02:03:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-z2D9lo9-8

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2015, 02:10:58 PM

:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: sarslip on September 14, 2015, 02:53:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4FkNbtkgps&feature=share


 :hans1

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 14, 2015, 03:09:23 PM

:lol :lol :lol that comparison list

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: sarslip on September 14, 2015, 03:18:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 14, 2015, 03:09:23 PM

:lol :lol :lol that comparison list

also enjoy how the republican propaganda machine is always a few years behind the curve.  that style of flat animated stuff is exactly what obama/dems were using for marketing in 2008

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brob on September 14, 2015, 03:37:58 PM

when evil expansionist regimes get richer they don't spend their wealth on building new hospitals, they expand.   :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2015, 03:44:30 PM

White people are evil, got it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 14, 2015, 04:30:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USkEzLuzmZ4&feature=youtu.be

Jesus

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 08:43:00 AM

I defer to the Americans here : Should Trump already have deflated at this point or do you reckon he could remain in the race longer than expected ?
Shit is pretty scary to be honest. I think the system is robust and resilient enough to accomodate even a moron, but you know... best to not find out.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2015, 09:02:32 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 08:43:00 AM

I defer to the Americans here : Should Trump already have deflated at this point or do you reckon he could remain in the race longer than expected ?

Trump's a total dark horse. The last cycle had several far-right favorites surge and then subsequently slump, largely because a certain subsection of the GOP electorate latched onto them temporarily before some ridiculous gaffe [and ultimately a lack of ability to generate enough money to be effective] sank their chances and they were overtaken by the establishment choice [Mitt Romney]. But Trump has shown a remarkable resilience to gaffes and has more than enough money to finance his own campaign indefinitely. So...it's really hard to say how things go with him in the next 6 months, it really is.

Also, a new poll dropped from CBS/NYT: Trump's at 27 followed closely by Carson at 23. That's the closest anyone's been to Trump since Bush's numbers collapsed at the end of July. Bush is all the way down at 6.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 15, 2015, 09:13:35 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 08:43:00 AM

I defer to the Americans here : Should Trump already have deflated at this point or do you reckon he could remain in the race longer than expected ?
Shit is pretty scary to be honest. I think the system is robust and resilient enough to accomodate even a moron, but you know... best to not find out.

We are still in silly season.  Rudy Guliani was the front runner pretty much throughout 2007 back in the day. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 15, 2015, 10:30:45 AM

As late as November 11th, Herman Cain was seen as the "frontrunner" of the Republicans back in 2011.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

Trump will have more legs than Cain, but eventually as the field narrows his support will seem less impressive.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2015, 10:41:04 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 15, 2015, 10:30:45 AM

As late as November 11th, Herman Cain was seen as the "frontrunner" of the Republicans back in 2011.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/republican_presidential_nomination-1452.html

One of the big differences between this round and last round is that the last round had a very strong establishment candidate [Romney's nadir was early September 2011 with 16%]. Right now, the top establishment candidate is sitting at approximately 6%; at this time in 2011, the candidate sitting at 6% support was Bachmann.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 15, 2015, 10:47:07 AM

On this day (September 15) in 2008 Hillary Clinton was up 19.3 points and led for another 151 days. Rudy Giuliani was up 4.8 points and remained on top for another 114 days.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/19/heres-who-was-winning-the-presidential-race-four-eight-and-12-years-ago-today/

 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2015, 11:15:04 AM

Obviously a lot of things can [and do] change, but I think that 2016 is an amplification of 2012 while bearing little in relation to 2008, where the GOP was deflated after 8 years of Dubya and the Dems were latching onto Hillary as the savior. Oh wait, that last part actually sounds familiar. The thing about Hillary, and we're kinda seeing this again 8 years later, is that she's kinda not that exciting, so somebody that generates excitement [like Obama and like Bernie] has a real shot at overtaking her despite her popularity and name-recognition, and it certainly helps that the media is always looking for some dirt on her.

But anyway, to bring it back to the GOP, the far-right fringe was constantly looking for a savior in 2012 who could take down Obama and thumb his nose at the limp-wristed GOP leaders, but they never found that person and each surge was quickly followed by a collapse. That slice of the electorate has only gotten more angry at Obama and more frustrated with GOP leadership in the three years since. Trump in 2015 is basically the congealed id of that far-right fringe, given shape and an extremely loud and forceful voice, and he's got the money to keep an effective campaign going for as long as he wants to [along with free publicity for every word he utters]. So, the question is how far does this amplification carry Trump and who gets scraped off the bottom of the polling barrel to replace him? Jeb's fall has sent him all the way down to the dregs, Carson just doesn't seem like he's going to last very long once things heat up, and everybody else is polling within the margin of error.

I guess what we wait for now is to see whether Carson's fall pushes Jeb back up or lifts Trump even higher.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2015, 02:18:36 PM

I haven't seen anything to move me from my view that Trump won't win a single primary or caucus.

As others have said, we can't forget who was up at this point in 2008 or 2012. Trump has shown some teflon attributes however I think the best way to take him out is to take his supporters. Trump is on record supporting bringing Syrian refugees here. Last week he tried to make nice with Hispanic Chamber Of Commerce folks. He doesn't seem to get that a lot of his support revolves around very anti-immigrant, racist or borderline racist people. The more daylight he shows between himself and them, the higher risk of being accused of "selling out" or flip flopping.

I'd imagine Cruz will bring up some of this tomorrow at the debate. So far he hasn't attacked Trump, but now there's an opportunity to flank Trump from the right.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 02:29:40 PM

The worst part is every discussion regarding trumps outrageously xenophobic campaign ends up with the defense that he's only talking about illegals! Meanwhile ignoring the fact that white supremacists have come out openly supporting him, people beating homeless Hispanics have quoted his rhetoric and his own constituency is telling Latino reporters to get out of the country despite having American citizenship.

Yeah man, I totally trust that the conservative base supporting him can tell the difference between your average Latino and an "illegal" for sure... foh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 15, 2015, 02:35:50 PM

Basically anyone who tries to foretell anything about the GOP right now is pissing in the wind.  Everyone had Trump out at this point a couple months and Jeb building a slow lead like Romney into the inevitable nomination.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2015, 02:42:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2015, 02:18:36 PM

As others have said, we can't forget who was up at this point in 2008 or 2012. Trump has shown some teflon attributes however I think the best way to take him out is to take his supporters. Trump is on record supporting bringing Syrian refugees here. Last week he tried to make nice with Hispanic Chamber Of Commerce folks. He doesn't seem to get that a lot of his support revolves around very anti-immigrant, racist or borderline racist people. The more daylight he shows between himself and them, the higher risk of being accused of "selling out" or flip flopping.

That could be his downfall in all this: trying to be more "reasonable." But he's been remarkably resilient, if nothing else. Back when he first announced his candidacy, there was a good number of people in the media who thought he'd diddle around for a weeks and then drop out. Then people thought he'd tank after the first debate. Or after his comments about immigrants. Or his feud with Fox News. Or any number of things that he's said or done, but none of them have.

But Steve's got it right, the whole GOP field is such a mess that there's just no point in trying to make any kind of a prediction about what's going to happen through the next six months.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2015, 03:00:13 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/2bZs1Wfl.jpg)

Remember this? Turned out to be a whole lot of nothing (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-quiet-uneventful-end-jade-helm-15), as expected.

OR WAS IT?!?!?!?!?

:drudge :drudge :drudge

http://consciouslyenlightened.com/jade-helm-update-clint-texas-residents-report-being-forced-to-take-micro-chips/

(http://i.imgur.com/m1u09f7.png)

 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1

Quote

I was one of the families who was illegal detained and micro-chipped by these monsters. as soon as my family was released we abandoned our home, and went to my wife’s parents home 200 miles away. we had to remove the chips ourselves with rubbing alcohol and a bx cutter, but its better than being tracked. absolutely disgusting what these monsters are doing to american citizens…

:drudge :drudge :drudge

OR WAS IT, WAS IT?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?

(http://i.imgur.com/eE8iCaf.png)

 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Consciously Enlightened is a spoof site, right? Poe's Law and all that.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2015, 03:09:17 PM

https://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/jade-helm-ends-with-no-takeover-and-these-6-nutters-hope-you-forget-their-idiotic-fear-mongering/

Quote

Of course, we can’t say there were no shots fired during Jade Helm 15 because, after all, it is a military training exercise — but also because paranoid gun nuts opened fire twice in one week at a Mississippi base where troops were taking part in the exercise. Three men in North Carolina, which did not take part in the exercise, were arrested last month after authorities said they began building an arsenal, including bombs, to fight back against a military takeover.

Jesus Christ. :dead

These idiots are too dumb to breath.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mods Help on September 15, 2015, 03:12:02 PM

Texas should be cut from the union bugs bunny style.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 03:12:05 PM

Is his little icon Brendan Fraser?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 15, 2015, 03:24:37 PM

Jade Helm is just another in a 25 year streak of U.S. military defeats. :usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2015, 03:42:51 PM

I warned you about insurgencies bro. I told you doge.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 03:52:57 PM

Lets just take a second to appreciate the level of batshit crazy the internet helps us archive for future generations.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r9WH4g6wxfg/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://cdn.truthandaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/russia-to-arm-mexico.jpg)
(http://sleepless.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341d019153ef01b7c7881164970b-pi)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8LbelAagfZ4/maxresdefault.jpg)
(http://markmaynard.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/familydollarthennow4.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 15, 2015, 04:06:09 PM

On one hand, it shows me how fortunate I am not to be mentally ill or exposed to a conspiracy theorist culture. On the other I am seriously jealous of how much energy and conviction those nutters have.

Not just to get a gun/twitter account, but to step up and try to singlehandedly fight the Persiaxan invaders and all their dollar stores.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2015, 04:21:21 PM

I don't get the Dollar Store one ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 15, 2015, 04:24:02 PM

The implication is it's not really a dollar store, it's a front for Jade Helm activities

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 04:25:10 PM

These are the people who thought WalMart and the government were in cahoots to build an extensive underground tunnel system.
So I mean, what's a Dollar Store but another entry point for the Amerrikkkan gubberment to lay siege to the great state of Texas.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 15, 2015, 05:14:57 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 03:52:57 PM

Lets just take a second to appreciate the level of batshit crazy the internet helps us archive for future generations.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r9WH4g6wxfg/hqdefault.jpg)

This one is great  :lol

I guess it's pretty exciting to imagine the vagrant lot next door is a sinister FEMA death camp... You'd think that the reality of no military takeover of the US happening ever and especially in recent years under Bush or Obama would rob the lightning of those always soon to be fulfilled predictions.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 15, 2015, 06:10:46 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 15, 2015, 03:52:57 PM

Lets just take a second to appreciate the level of batshit crazy the internet helps us archive for future generations.

(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/r9WH4g6wxfg/hqdefault.jpg)
(http://cdn.truthandaction.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/russia-to-arm-mexico.jpg)
(http://sleepless.blogs.com/.a/6a00d8341d019153ef01b7c7881164970b-pi)
(http://i.ytimg.com/vi/8LbelAagfZ4/maxresdefault.jpg)
(http://markmaynard.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/familydollarthennow4.jpg)

Ughhhh I'm already living in Israel? Back to the drawing board, this place sucks.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 03:13:25 AM

of those, Israel would take California.

no way Texas ends up Iranian though. In that event we all know who really gets Texas...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://files.explosm.net/comics/Rob/im-a-texan-myself-so-its-okay-please-dont-kill-me.png)

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 01:17:06 PM

CNN GOP Debate tonight, THE TRUMPENING II

Wonder how that will go down.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 16, 2015, 01:28:38 PM

I'm still not sure why it's called a debate. It's more of a Q&A with some pot shots thrown in.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 02:13:17 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 01:17:06 PM

CNN GOP Debate tonight, THE TRUMPENING II

Wonder how that will go down.  :doge

Trump vs Carly "Ugly Face Persona" Fiorina, this time it's personal.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 06:12:09 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 16, 2015, 01:28:38 PM

I'm still not sure why it's called a debate. It's more of a Q&A with some pot shots thrown in.

 :idont

Also http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tom-brady-donald-trump_55f9ae7ee4b0d6492d63eee7
Tom Brady Declares His Support For Presidential Candidate Donald Trump

"Gotta make sure I secure that WOAT player status!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 06:25:57 PM

Bobby Jindal just said he had the backbone and the bandwidth to keep us from turning the American Dream into a European Nightmare.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 06:28:39 PM

Twinkies and brownies, America's greatest fears.

How does it feel to get bodied by Trump in your own state, Senator Graham?

Pataki, please stand next to this wall as we start nailing you to it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 06:35:21 PM

ffs will someone just let Lindsey Graham fight a war somewhere??

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 06:36:44 PM

Yes the other side, those Democrats, definitely set us up the bomb. They created this hostile situation between immigrants and the GOP.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 06:43:26 PM

Holy crap Jindal is a piece of shit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 06:47:56 PM

How dare Obama pull out of Iraq based on the guidelines outlined by Bush.

This is some clownshoes hypocrisy shit with saying a Muslim denying gay citizens rights wouldn't be treated like a Christian denying gay rights. FOH 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Boogie on September 16, 2015, 06:59:55 PM

Holy shit, Santorum just compared Kim Davis' bitching and whining to one of the Columbine victim's mortal sacrifice.

Fuck yooouuuuu Santorum.

edit:  and now he's quoting MLK?!  Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 07:01:40 PM

FIRST AMENDMENT DEFENSE ACT, BECAUSE FREE SPEECH ISN'T FREE ENOUGH!

Pataki is the only dude not sounding like a 100% nutjob.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 16, 2015, 07:06:26 PM

I totally forgot Santorum was even running

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Down my leg :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)

No but seriously I forgot he was running

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 07:09:53 PM

TBH I almost feel bad for Santorum while Jindal is trying to take a dump on him. Jindal is just swinging everywhere trying to get a hit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 07:14:55 PM

TAXES! BENGHAZI! IRAQ WAR III! BENGHAZI! OBAMACARE! DONALD TRUMP! DONALD TRUMP! DONALD TRUMP!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 16, 2015, 07:19:13 PM

Santorum is a scary dude.  He'd definitely be the guy gassing gays in WWII (and the dude gassing gays now if he had his way)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 07:24:57 PM

For the lulz, let's remember in 2012 when Santorum said that he would ban porno.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/rick-santorum-declares-war-pornography-ban-hardcore-porn-elected-president-article-1.1040728

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 07:27:04 PM

The most clever thing about this debate is that Amazon is advertising their The Man in the High Castle series on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzayf9GpXCI

I'm sure its entirely coincidental that they're advertising this show particular on a republican debate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 07:28:48 PM

Lindsey Graham will fuck Iran's shit up AND THEY KNOW IT.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 16, 2015, 07:29:56 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 07:24:57 PM

For the lulz, let's remember in 2012 when Santorum said that he would ban porno.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/rick-santorum-declares-war-pornography-ban-hardcore-porn-elected-president-article-1.1040728

:bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 07:34:35 PM

Dude legit put him on the spot to use nukes  :holeup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 07:36:40 PM

Things getting crammed down throats.  :aah

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 07:37:45 PM

Graham sounding semi sensible (on domestic stuff) while surrounded by utter idiots.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 07:39:32 PM

Also for the lulz, let us remember the time in 2012 when Bobby Jindal said that Republicans need to stop being the stupid party.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2015, 07:48:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 07:37:45 PM

Graham sounding semi sensible (on domestic stuff) while surrounded by utter idiots.

Graham's domestic stuff has generally been not quite as bad as many of his colleagues [he got caught telling Dems to hurry up with climate change legislation because the whole thing would get blown up once Fox News found out things were getting serious :heh], but his foreign policy is Dubya but way worse.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 07:54:07 PM

How the flip did Jindal get so far in politics, he's frigging terrible at this stuff.

I think when the next day decisions are made that Graham will be the winner of this thing tonight.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 08:16:59 PM

Ted Cruz introduces self
(audience silence)

Ben Carson does same
(woooot!)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 08:18:08 PM

You have to figure at some point the Republican base will have to abandon making throwbacks to Reagan when none of their constituency actually were alive under his presidency.... right?

Damn! Shots fired and CNN not letting them get away with dodging.  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 08:21:31 PM

Rand Paul really got under Trump's skin  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 08:22:55 PM

TRUMP  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 08:23:07 PM

 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

we stay 100 trump

Why won't anyone just say NO, I DON'T THINK HE'D BE GOOD ON THAT FUCKING BUTTON straight up. It's a weird ass dance.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 16, 2015, 08:26:06 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 07:27:04 PM

The most clever thing about this debate is that Amazon is advertising their The Man in the High Castle series on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzayf9GpXCI

I'm sure its entirely coincidental that they're advertising this show particular on a republican debate.

Reading books other than the Bible. :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 08:33:43 PM

Trump has turned down more money than JEB!~ has ever seen.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 08:41:31 PM

UN taking away our freedoms! Yo we in there now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 08:44:06 PM

lol Republicans trying to discuss international policy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 08:49:47 PM

Rand Paul taking a giant dump on neoconservatism
:preach

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 08:51:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 08:49:47 PM

Rand Paul taking a giant dump on neoconservatism
:preach

*polite applause*

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 08:53:12 PM

These moderators are like  :yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 08:56:16 PM

I wish someone would criminalize Huckabee.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:01:02 PM

Why do we even need to fund Planned Parenthood if they're making so much sweet, sweet baby part dosh? :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:04:03 PM

Abortion abortion abortion. Did I also mention abortion?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 09:05:54 PM

So Fiorina would talk to the Supreme Leader of Iran but would not talk to Putin? This fucking ideology...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:05:55 PM

Fully formed babies, their hearts beating, their legs kicking, while doctors are saying "we need to keep the brain alive so we can sell it for more money".

Carly must browse the same sub-reddits as Arvie.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 09:08:14 PM

Trump called you ugly, please call him ugly in turn.  :-*

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:08:17 PM

Fiorina fan, I'm not. But that was a good zinger.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:11:38 PM

I think Trump just said he was going to deport Chicago gangs too.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:12:01 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:05:55 PM

Fully formed babies, their hearts beating, their legs kicking, while doctors are saying "we need to keep the brain alive so we can sell it for more money".

Carly must browse the same sub-reddits as Arvie.

The way she was talking I was surprised she didn't say "And man, let me tell you I was so wet I had to change my panties right then and there."
Fiorina as a female Arvie makes her more likeable.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 16, 2015, 09:13:38 PM

I wonder when he's going to apologize to Kate's Steinle's family for continually name dropping her when they asked him not to.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:15:45 PM

Carson will build two walls, get rekt Trump.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 16, 2015, 09:16:50 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:01:02 PM

Why do we even need to fund Planned Parenthood if they're making so much sweet, sweet baby part dosh? :lawd

Chased short-term profits and flooded the marketplace. Smh this economy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:18:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:15:45 PM

Carson will build two walls, get rekt Trump.

I think you mean two walls and a road, sir.
 :bluesteel

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:22:03 PM

Carson: Latinos can stay, but they have to work the farms.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2015, 09:22:06 PM

Two big walls, connected by an elevated road. The Mexicans get on the road because it says that's how you get to America, but it actually takes them all the way to Canada. Problem solved.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:22:26 PM

Ben Carson is too boring to be president.  :zzz

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:26:38 PM

Watching the child of immigrants decrying immigration and ranting against amnesty on a stage in a Presidential library of a President that had an amnesty plan, the same president this ranting man claimed to be his idol...all my cognitive dissonance gauges just exploded.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 09:27:00 PM

Need an emote of a sleeping Carson

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:28:28 PM

(https://thisistwitchy.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/ben-carson-sleeping.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:31:45 PM

well, she's right about lagging behind in every product.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 09:36:33 PM

No one's done ever. Why stop talking at all.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 09:37:53 PM

Kasich should not be bringing up his private business experience.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:39:03 PM

Kasich has done it in both places.  :shaq

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:44:15 PM

A wild Scott Walker appears!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 09:45:55 PM

Carson: "So we never have to discuss this again in American history!"

yes, I'm rather sure we're not going to build a time machine and go back into history and discuss this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:48:51 PM

Benghazi, tho.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:57:26 PM

Rubio: "Voting doesn't even matter, who cares?"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 10:00:35 PM

Bush: "Name a country that we have a better relationship with now then when Obama took office."

Me: Ummmm... Well, now that you mention it...

holy shit, Bush is shitting it up. "My brother, he kept up safe."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 16, 2015, 10:06:27 PM

trump not sure whether to fist jab or shake hands

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 16, 2015, 10:06:30 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 16, 2015, 09:16:50 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 09:01:02 PM

Why do we even need to fund Planned Parenthood if they're making so much sweet, sweet baby part dosh? :lawd

Chased short-term profits and flooded the marketplace. Smh this economy.

they'll get their comeuppance soon enough.
(http://lparchive.org/Drakengard/Update%2053/45-teeth56.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 16, 2015, 10:08:56 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPEgPPlUYAAQTdY.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 10:10:24 PM

Bush kept us safe. Except on 911.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 16, 2015, 10:10:40 PM

nm

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:12:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 10:10:24 PM

Bush kept us safe. Except on 911.

And Obama took away all our safety and let terrorists do 9/11s all over the place to us which they haven't done yet but they could.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2015, 10:17:05 PM

Trump's gonna pick Carson as Surgeon General.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 10:17:48 PM

"We need the strongest military on the planet and need everyone to know it"

Seriously, does anyone think that the United States doesn't have the strongest military on the planet right now?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:18:10 PM

We need 350 ships, exactly. I've done the math!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:26:25 PM

I hope the social media question is about Metal Gear Solid V.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:28:18 PM

Oh, it's just weed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 10:28:39 PM

I just want Carly Fiorina to snap and yell at Trump, "I'll destroy you like I destroyed HP"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:36:33 PM

Kids these days are getting potted up on high-powered, maximum-strength, kid-killing weed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 10:48:11 PM

Spread vaccine autism hysteria as a doctor brehs.

"I'm seen babies!" - Trump

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:49:41 PM

Trump even got Carson to back down on vaccines. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 16, 2015, 10:50:26 PM

"Smaller government! Smaller government! Now let's discuss about how to use the federal government should set guidelines about vaccines."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:51:12 PM

Huckabee saying that Obama needs to just fucking cure cancer like JFK went to the Moon.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 10:52:52 PM

Nuke... cancer. It's so obvious!
 :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:57:01 PM

Okay, Carly.  ::)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 10:59:41 PM

"One nation", no claps.
 :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 16, 2015, 11:01:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 10:10:24 PM

Bush kept us safe. Except on 911.

and also the entire city of New Orleans.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 11:02:27 PM

would you care to expound on that 'enemy within' part there Huck?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 16, 2015, 11:04:01 PM

This is like a big game of chicken to see who can get the closest to saying they'd give Reagan a blowjob.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 11:04:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:57:01 PM

Okay, Carly.  ::)

I agree
:yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 11:10:30 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPEnpkKUkAAdmw7.jpg)

daps

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 16, 2015, 11:10:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2015, 10:51:12 PM

Huckabee saying that Obama needs to just fucking cure cancer like JFK went to the Moon.

Pretty sure this is a westwing episode. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 16, 2015, 11:19:38 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 16, 2015, 11:10:51 PM

Pretty sure this is a westwing episode.

Now that you mention it, Cruz does remind me of a president that Martin Sheen played...

spoiler (click to show/hide)

that dude in The Dead Zone.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 11:24:13 PM

Republicans are gonna be so bummed when they find out Fiorina supports gay marriage.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 11:38:16 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/0NuRfSa.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2015, 11:39:56 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/KswBocb.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/cNlZExY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/z2QyXaQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/kJEQ7hq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/N5xDxTI.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XAV8aK1.jpg)

dat trump face

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on September 16, 2015, 11:44:00 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2015, 11:39:56 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/KswBocb.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/cNlZExY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/z2QyXaQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/kJEQ7hq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/N5xDxTI.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/XAV8aK1.jpg)

dat trump face

Some of these faces need to be Bore emoticons. Rand too... to go along with : :paul

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on September 16, 2015, 11:46:03 PM

All of the neoconservatism on display... leave that shit as a bad idea from last decade like Ed Hardy t-shirts, minimal techno and $599 US dollars.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 17, 2015, 12:05:06 AM

I love the whole "We need to have the strongest military in the world!" bit.
I'm like "Who the hell thinks we don't? Is this even a problem?"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 17, 2015, 12:21:04 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 16, 2015, 11:38:16 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/0NuRfSa.gif)

 :doge iCarly pls explain

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 17, 2015, 12:32:12 AM

Bush, Walker, and Christie didn't do themselves any favors tonight, did they? I think Walker stretched the facts too far for even a GOP debate.

thought Paul did okay, Fiorina and Huckabee present their insane visions for the future with enough conviction that you can almost look past the blather they're pushing. Carson needs to lay off the Ambien. Kasich was just kind of there, but at least he didn't embarrass himself. Cruz seems incapable of not appearing insincere. Rubio still seems to me like a top tier contender even if he sure as shit ain't polling like one.

Trump, I dunno how to analyze that guy. But if everyone in the debate is deferring to him, and occasionally awkwardly high fiving him then I suppose he's still the man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 17, 2015, 12:53:24 AM

I'd be pretty embarrassed with myself if i was a gop supporter right now.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 17, 2015, 12:55:01 AM

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/09/17/441004967/bernie-sanders-live-tweets-gop-debate-gets-bored-goes-home-early

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 02:20:40 AM

Ann Coulter going off on jews over twitter.
 :gurl

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/644356237618900993?s=09

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 17, 2015, 02:30:41 AM

AC with the vintage American antisemitism. Can't she afford decent writers?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 17, 2015, 04:32:15 AM

At this point, it seems clear that Jeb! is not running for President so much as a family device to redeem the image of his brother.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2015, 08:21:54 AM

I forgot who said it last night but Bush was giving Gore vibes in terms of a couple long "wonky" answers. Specifically on Planned Parenthood where he bypassed the red meat GOPers wanted and instead delved  into how to go around Title IX without getting in trouble. No wonder the base is tuning him out.

But jeez is CNN trash or what? Too bad Gingrich wasn't debating because you know he would have taken the easy applause route of bashing CNN's attempt to create "sparks" and drama between candidates. Literally every question was framed as:

Governor X, Senator Y recently criticized your Z policy, claiming it was [insert minor to medium complaint]. Tell Senator Y why he's wrong.

How is that a debate, especially when you know no one is going to outright attack a fellow non-Trump candidate? :snoop

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: sarslip on September 17, 2015, 08:22:38 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 17, 2015, 04:32:15 AM

At this point, it seems clear that Jeb! is not running for President so much as a family device to redeem the image of his brother.

He kept us safe!   :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 17, 2015, 08:29:44 AM

I can't believe all the news outlets are trying to act like Carly Fiorina killed it last night. She was terrible.

!Jeb is a wet noodle. Honestly, the only thing he could have done to give himself a chance was to punch Trump in the nose when he refused to apologize to !Jeb's wife.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2015, 08:34:12 AM

"I won't apologize to your wife"
"Ok :fbm "

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2015, 09:42:29 AM

Nah, Fiorina's tenure at HP has kinda stayed under the radar for now, but that won't stay true if she makes it past the primary.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2015, 10:03:11 AM

Quote from: Dufus on September 17, 2015, 08:36:42 AM

I'm just gonna ahead and call it. Fiorina is gonna be the next president.

Not because I think she's good, but because she's the only non-awful Republican candidate. She'll be the nominee and go up against Hillary. If it's gonna be Fiorina v Clinton, I'd rather bet on Fiorina.

Never in a million years would I vote for someone who outsourced thousands of tech jobs.

IMO, ¡Jeb! will get the nomination even though he's floundering in the polls and his debate skills leave a lot to be desired. Rubio as the veep.

Though after watching that debate I'm urged to throw a few bucks to Planned Parenthood later today.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 17, 2015, 10:21:44 AM

Yep. No one will foil Roger Ailes master plan to get jeb the nomination so he gets trounced by Hillary. That way, fox news can continue being the 'We hate Hillary' network instead of the 'Apologizing for Trump' network. They make much more money that way.

"But Breh," you say, "You really think Ailes  would sell his viewership down the river just to make his wallet bigger?"

Fuck yeah he would. It's called capitalism.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 10:41:40 AM

Honestly Trump seemed like he was running not for presidency of the US but presidency of a grade school class. "I'll get along with everyone great, we'll have a lot of good stuff and I'll actually learn about what we're talking about later! All recess no homework!"

Also Fiorina's stance on what we need for war is the same mindset I got into playing CIV V with. More tanks, nukes and planes. We're going to bring you peace one bullet at a time.

Also it's great that we had an unintentional Batman plug too.
(http://static.ijreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/rand-never-sleeps-1024x682.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 17, 2015, 12:44:13 PM

Here you go Rumbles

(http://i.imgur.com/ehLv0CV.png)   (http://i.imgur.com/o2XOlpE.png)   (http://i.imgur.com/C1zfaOd.png)     (http://i.imgur.com/zerz3nv.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 17, 2015, 01:08:02 PM

Anyone saying Carly will be the next president wasn't living in California when she was running against Boxer :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 17, 2015, 01:10:09 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on September 17, 2015, 12:44:13 PM

Here you go Rumbles

(http://i.imgur.com/ehLv0CV.png)   (http://i.imgur.com/o2XOlpE.png)   (http://i.imgur.com/C1zfaOd.png)     (http://i.imgur.com/zerz3nv.png)

Last one would be a great addition to our official smilies imo.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2015, 01:30:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kzGYuKZ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/rrL1ypD.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2015, 01:38:09 PM

Not a single terrorist attack on American soil on Bush's watch [after 9/11]!!!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2015, 01:40:25 PM

None of these fuckers is going to be President. I'm willing to bet pretty much anything on that. Taking the positions necessary to win this Bataan Death March of a primary will disqualify the eventual nominee in the eyes of at least 55% of the people that show up to vote.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 17, 2015, 01:42:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2015, 01:30:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/rrL1ypD.png)

Please add as :trump

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 01:43:53 PM

If nothing else the media post primaries is going to be fucking amazing just from the RNC debate content alone. They're just leaving landmines in their wake that will go off the moment someone who isn't fucking insane asks them to walk some fucked up stance back.

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2015, 01:30:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kzGYuKZ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/rrL1ypD.png)

Also what intern okay'd this  :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: T-Short on September 17, 2015, 02:04:13 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on September 17, 2015, 12:44:13 PM

Here you go Rumbles

(http://i.imgur.com/ehLv0CV.png)   (http://i.imgur.com/o2XOlpE.png)   (http://i.imgur.com/C1zfaOd.png)     (http://i.imgur.com/zerz3nv.png)

https://vine.co/v/eUg9teiBPa5 (https://vine.co/v/eUg9teiBPa5)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2015, 02:06:28 PM

I'm trying to figure this out. Is it a calculated attempt to make a democrat bring up 911, and then play a victim card like "Bin Laden and Islamic terrorists are at fault for 911, not George W Bush"?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 17, 2015, 02:22:12 PM

I ...don't even have to begin to attempt to tell most of you on here why that's a larf, right? >:(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 02:27:01 PM

As an American I didn't feel too safe in Iraq.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on September 17, 2015, 02:35:49 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 17, 2015, 01:40:25 PM

None of these fuckers is going to be President. I'm willing to bet pretty much anything on that. Taking the positions necessary to win this Bataan Death March of a primary will disqualify the eventual nominee in the eyes of at least 55% of the people that show up to vote.

I have this image in my mind where there's a possibility a Bush/Rubio setup could win... The party could drum up some Hispanic support (instead of being utterly toxic towards Hispanics), they'd have Florida on lock, they'd get the bitter angry white male vote, along with all the perks of being establishment candidates

I'm just hoping the average voter gives less a shit about Hillary's email server and more of a shit about dubya's legacy than I give them credit for. And that the 'angry white male' voter decides to simply not turn up once their hero Trump sputters out instead of jumping ship to Jeb.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 02:41:29 PM

With that 9/11 tweet and his answer to whom he would like to see on the $10 bill, it might be possible Jeb has a brain tumor or something equally as serious:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/16/republicans_woman_on_10_bill_answer_wives_mothers_mother_theresa.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 17, 2015, 02:48:34 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 02:41:29 PM

With that 9/11 tweet and his answer to whom he would like to see on the $10 bill, it might be possible Jeb has a brain tumor or something equally as serious:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/16/republicans_woman_on_10_bill_answer_wives_mothers_mother_theresa.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

 :derp
Your relatives, seriously ?
Dumb for dumb, at least name Condi or something. Even "Reagan with a wig" would probably be a better answer.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 17, 2015, 02:58:21 PM

When he said "Reagan's partner" I thought he was going to say Nancy Reagan, but nope, it was even dumber than that. At least Huckabee didn't say Kim Davis, I guess.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 17, 2015, 03:03:24 PM

I think Rubio is out because of his voting record. Eventually, one of the candidates will squeeze their balls and dare to challenge Trump on his knowledge/ability to do anything presidential ("what's your plan going go to be biatch"). I'm guessing right now his appeal to Republican voters is that he'll have apparently conservative views and then get his aides/cabinet to tell him what to actually do but when people realize the man who is in charge is totally lost in the woods, they might think twice. Unless they want a second Dubya.

In which case I'm glad he wasn't really elected, he was just reelected.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 17, 2015, 03:21:29 PM

Holy fuck at Lindsey Graham answering that question about the kid and his clock getting arrested.

Quote

Kim Davis, I'm not worried about her attacking me. I am worried about radical Islamic terrorists who are already here planning another 9/11. We're at war, folks, I'm not fighting a crime. I want to have a legal system that understands the difference between fighting a war and fighting a crime. And here's the reality: young men from the Mideast are different than Kim Davis and we've got to understand that. Islamic web sites need to be monitored. And if you're on one I want to know what you're doing.

Those dudes are insane. And they are supposed to be the finest the party have ?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 03:22:01 PM

Rubio's not going to get Latino support vs a democratic candidate, lets be real. The GOP's general stance is already sunk that boat ages ago and still has months to bury it under the sea floor. Nor is Jeb! Spanish suddenly going to turn the tide either.

(http://www.latinodecisions.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Clinton-Rubio-Favorable.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2015, 03:22:07 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 02:41:29 PM

With that 9/11 tweet and his answer to whom he would like to see on the $10 bill, it might be possible Jeb has a brain tumor or something equally as serious:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/16/republicans_woman_on_10_bill_answer_wives_mothers_mother_theresa.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

known unknowns
:whew

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: T-Short on September 17, 2015, 03:25:51 PM

Ken M da gawd

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/43e33718edf6cb2f5dce6704f21c54a8/tumblr_mud6af3aRh1qil3kvo1_1280.png)

 :rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2015, 03:30:23 PM

"Vulgarity is the fool's fig leaf."

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 17, 2015, 03:42:35 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 02:41:29 PM

With that 9/11 tweet and his answer to whom he would like to see on the $10 bill, it might be possible Jeb has a brain tumor or something equally as serious:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/16/republicans_woman_on_10_bill_answer_wives_mothers_mother_theresa.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top

Ted Cruz: Rosa Parks (but on the $20; he'd keep Hamilton on the $10).

Damn, I actually like this one. :ohhh

Leave Ham-bone alone :brazilcry.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 03:50:54 PM

Yeah that surprised me as well. It's sad that I'm surprised by a cogent answer from one of eleven presidential candidates, though. They should all be able to give one.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 17, 2015, 03:56:18 PM

Its genuinely the most impressive thing Ted Cruz has ever said. I agree unequivocally with it.

Its such a gimmie question too, why the hell did only one guy out of eleven have a good answer for that?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 04:05:03 PM

Propose a to put a woman who helped Planned Parenthood on a dollar bill while promising to defund the same institution brehs.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CNvd9CPWUAADRH8.png)

 :teehee

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2015, 04:08:20 PM

Fun fact: George HW Bush was a strong supporter of family planning, helped pass legislation that funded Planned Parenthood and other similar outfits, and earned the nickname "Rubbers".

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 17, 2015, 04:17:34 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 03:50:54 PM

Yeah that surprised me as well. It's sad that I'm surprised by a cogent answer from one of eleven presidential candidates, though. They should all be able to give one.

If you want my gender studies survey course analysis (which I'm comfortable in saying no one does), I can't really say I'm surprised that a question like that decimated the field on this episode of America's Next Top Doctrinaire when the ideology in question is nakedly anti-women.

Responses like Huckabee's are exactly the sort of thing I'd expect, really. Equal parts disdain for trying to reverse the collective amnesia wrt the contributions of women and thinking of women as anything but WAGs.

Even Carly Fiorina's response was on script to a certain extent.

E: Since we're sharing fun facts, in her time Susan Anthony was accused of trying to destroy the institution of marriage. For reference, no women were enrolled in university when she took up the cloth so to speak.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 17, 2015, 04:30:14 PM

If you want to start wars everywhere you need cannon fodder.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 04:32:08 PM

Would have been nice to see them squirm with a question concerning race relations in the current era too but I guess I'll settle for them tripping over themselves on women and islamicphobia till after the primaries. Honestly thought CNN would have shot one out since they were nailing a couple dudes to the wall during the time the moderators actually woke up from their stupor.

Guess that's too tough a question though.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2015, 04:36:01 PM

Surprised Trump didn't say Margaret Sanger
:hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 17, 2015, 05:27:35 PM

I liked the joke about putting his wife on the 10 so she can spend her own money in the same way I like watching 1950s sitcoms. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 17, 2015, 06:46:33 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 17, 2015, 04:17:34 PM

E: Since we're sharing fun facts, in her time Susan Anthony was accused of trying to destroy the institution of marriage. For reference, no women were enrolled in university when she took up the cloth so to speak.

JRPG where the final boss is a personification of the institution of marriage

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 17, 2015, 06:48:24 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 17, 2015, 04:17:34 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 17, 2015, 03:50:54 PM

Yeah that surprised me as well. It's sad that I'm surprised by a cogent answer from one of eleven presidential candidates, though. They should all be able to give one.

If you want my gender studies survey course analysis (which I'm comfortable in saying no one does), I can't really say I'm surprised that a question like that decimated the field on this episode of America's Next Top Doctrinaire when the ideology in question is nakedly anti-women.

Responses like Huckabee's are exactly the sort of thing I'd expect, really. Equal parts disdain for trying to reverse the collective amnesia wrt the contributions of women and thinking of women as anything but WAGs.

Even Carly Fiorina's response was on script to a certain extent.

E: Since we're sharing fun facts, in her time Susan Anthony was accused of trying to destroy the institution of marriage. For reference, no women were enrolled in university when she took up the cloth so to speak.

A woman's place is in the home.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 17, 2015, 06:59:56 PM

Reminder that this was necessary because the Founding Fathers (pbuh) somehow let this one slip through the cracks even though they were like gods of individual liberty, man.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Married_Women%27s_Property_Acts_in_the_United_States

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 17, 2015, 07:04:16 PM

Also here to remind people the Salem Witch Trials were a great way to steal land from widows.  :-\

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 17, 2015, 07:11:48 PM

Widows who just happened to be witches, so I don't see the problem

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 17, 2015, 07:15:54 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on September 17, 2015, 07:11:48 PM

Widows who just happened to be witches, so I don't see the problem (http://i.imgur.com/rrL1ypD.png)

FTFY

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 17, 2015, 07:22:19 PM

As an addendum to my last post, you even see remnants of this today. A married filing joint tax return is the husband's tax return with his wife's income and deductions reported on it. They put both of your names at the top, but it's tracked by his Social Security Number. It was only very recently when the IRS actually started requiring preparers with representation rights to get a signed power of attorney from each spouse in order to speak with them.

(I think married taxpayers should have their own kind of tax return to solve this issue.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 17, 2015, 09:43:40 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOJm9NSEjic

get shit awn

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on September 18, 2015, 12:22:19 AM

https://vine.co/v/eUg9teiBPa5 (https://vine.co/v/eUg9teiBPa5)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2015, 01:14:25 AM

(http://giant.gfycat.com/AdolescentEvergreenElephantbeetle.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on September 18, 2015, 03:00:17 AM

Quote from: Kara on September 17, 2015, 04:17:34 PM

If you want my gender studies survey course analysis (which I'm comfortable in saying no one does), I can't really say I'm surprised that a question like that decimated the field on this episode of America's Next Top Doctrinaire when the ideology in question is nakedly anti-women.

It's interesting that there's no suffragist/feminist analog to MLK or Rosa Parks, a universally recognized historical American icon, whose image has been scrubbed enough that anyone could name them as a hero without thinking regardless of party (or even be claimed as conservative).  I guess Susan B would be the closest, but it's not the same.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 18, 2015, 04:08:08 AM

Well isn't Rosa Parks the feminist/suffragist analog ? Her actions did help widen the electoral body...
Anyway, I'll be honest, if someone asked me that question for France, I certainly wouldn't be able to name a lot of relevant answers for that despite being a tad more versed in history than your common citizen, and none of those would be the XVIII/XIXth century "suffragist". Still would have done better than the Repub loons, and I'm not even american.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2015, 04:59:43 AM

I enjoyed Trump ignoring his first question to instead randomly insult Rand. Dude is so beneath you that you gotta call him out and make up poll numbers right at the start. (http://i.imgur.com/ehLv0CV.png)

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 17, 2015, 12:32:12 AM

Bush, Walker, and Christie didn't do themselves any favors tonight, did they? I think Walker stretched the facts too far for even a GOP debate.

I think Christie is the secret under the radar winner from the part I watched.

This was a great run by him, especially shooting down Carly's interruptions, and everyone else started stealing from it ("let's stop fighting with each other and talk about the issues, like the mass murder Barack Hussein Obama personally committed with Planned Parenthood") right after:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abHdxu78biw

And he never strayed from "pro-life", "was in the same general region as 9/11", "jobs." He'll get a bump if people forget he side-hugged Obama.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4

I understand it's a shitty situation to be in to have such a fucked up question lobbed your way, but come on. You can handle that shit with some dignity instead of slinking away and brushing off your own constituency as nut jobs.

Clip is too much, McCain just shut that shit down ASAP.  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2015, 11:38:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Dw3uw4Ed5I

(http://imgick.oregonlive.com/home/olive-media/width960/img/oregonian/photo/2015/09/16/-1a6d3a39039144da.JPG)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 18, 2015, 11:50:24 AM

That is reaching.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 11:54:48 AM

Why  ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2015, 12:00:54 PM

He just has a terrible puppeteer.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 18, 2015, 12:01:51 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 11:54:48 AM

Why  ???

No manlet for President.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 18, 2015, 12:07:14 PM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l41lGydeN1fV0Z5Ic/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2015, 12:47:44 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/sources-scott-walkers-donors-are-circulating-rumor-about-cam#.yjYDjbEG2

Quote

As Scott Walker’s presidential bid founders, some in the candidate’s orbit are participating in a whisper campaign against his top strategist and campaign manager, Rick Wiley.

A number of Walker’s donors and supporters have been circulating a rumor about Wiley in recent days, apparently aimed at discrediting him and bringing about a shakeup in the organization, according to two Republican sources. The sources, neither of whom is affiliated with a presidential campaign, said they heard the rumor from people in Walker’s camp. They also said an anonymous letter about Wiley is circulating in political and donor circles, though it is unclear where it originated.

BuzzFeed News could not confirm the details of the rumor, and will not publish it.

Asked about the whisper campaign, Walker spokesperson Kirsten Kukowski acknowledged the rumors but said they were false, and that the candidate wouldn’t be distracted by “the sideshow.”

“Governor Walker routinely says we need to talk about the issues instead of the sideshow because our country deserves it,” Kukowski said in a statement to BuzzFeed News. “We have a plan to share Governor Walker’s WI record of reform and results and his vision with the American people, and will continue to execute on it. This isn’t a reality show, the whisper campaign isn’t based in reality and has no place in the process to elect the next president of the United States.”

The influential conservative talk radio host and blogger Erick Erickson appeared to allude to the whisper campaign Thursday on Twitter: “Lots of different people all sending me the same rumor about a particular campaign manager caught indecently at the Ohio debate.”

:phil

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 18, 2015, 01:59:10 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4

I understand it's a shitty situation to be in to have such a fucked up question lobbed your way, but come on. You can handle that shit with some dignity instead of slinking away and brushing off your own constituency as nut jobs.

Clip is too much, McCain just shut that shit down ASAP.  :lol

A problem with McCain's answer that I have seen brought up by Arabs is that he said "No, he's not [an Arab]. He's a decent, family man," as if the two are mutually exclusive.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 18, 2015, 02:08:43 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 18, 2015, 03:00:17 AM

Quote from: Kara on September 17, 2015, 04:17:34 PM

If you want my gender studies survey course analysis (which I'm comfortable in saying no one does), I can't really say I'm surprised that a question like that decimated the field on this episode of America's Next Top Doctrinaire when the ideology in question is nakedly anti-women.

It's interesting that there's no suffragist/feminist analog to MLK or Rosa Parks, a universally recognized historical American icon, whose image has been scrubbed enough that anyone could name them as a hero without thinking regardless of party (or even be claimed as conservative).  I guess Susan B would be the closest, but it's not the same.

I would say more archetypal than interesting, but that's me being pedantic.

That Clara Barton isn't that analogue is, well, typical.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 02:13:52 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 18, 2015, 01:59:10 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 11:06:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrnRU3ocIH4

I understand it's a shitty situation to be in to have such a fucked up question lobbed your way, but come on. You can handle that shit with some dignity instead of slinking away and brushing off your own constituency as nut jobs.

Clip is too much, McCain just shut that shit down ASAP.  :lol

A problem with McCain's answer that I have seen brought up by Arabs is that he said "No, he's not [an Arab]. He's a decent, family man," as if the two are mutually exclusive.

I don't know if the people in that crowd could have handled making the distinction if pointed out anyway. IIRC they booed him afterwards. When you're talking to a crowd who's already made up their minds regarding the brown man with the scary name making a run for the presidential office, there's probably no winning but at least he had the backbone to face that question head on and not sound like a lunatic.

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Post by: Shadow Mod on September 18, 2015, 02:16:03 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 02:13:52 PM

I don't know if the people in that crowd could have handled making the distinction if pointed out anyway. IIRC they booed him afterwards. When you're talking to a crowd who's already made up their minds regarding the brown man with the scary name making a run for the presidential office, there's probably no winning but at least he had the backbone to face that question head on and not sound like a lunatic.

Well that's the problem in a nutshell, they want to be racist, coddled and not called out, and assholes keep placating this nonsense.

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Post by: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 03:21:11 PM

The moment the GOP have to step out of their comfort zone and are forced to debate towards a more moderate and diverse crowd (READ: NOT CRAZY WHITE FOLKS), it's over. Like straight up it's been a race to the bottom on the GOP end and it's embarrassing af to watch what is essentially a shitshow get progressively worse each debate.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2015, 03:26:16 PM

Man I had forgotten just how ugly those October 2008 Palin/McCain rallies were...

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Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2015, 03:30:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2015, 03:26:16 PM

Man I had forgotten just how ugly those October 2008 Palin/McCain rallies were...

Think how much worse the Trump/Steve Scalise rallies will be this time next year.

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Post by: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 03:41:42 PM

I do have to hand it to Rand for pointing out that Jeb Kush's experience lighting up is nothing like your average Joe's experience.

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There’s at least one prominent example on the stage of someone who says they smoked pot in high school. And yet, the people who are going to jail for this are poor people, often African Americans and often Hispanics, and yet the rich kids who use drugs aren’t.

Fuck my first exposure to coke didn't even happen till I was in university talking to some preppy as fuck dudes out of Santa Barbara getting their educations bankrolled by mom and dad. Shit was like a whole other world of drug use in that case compared to what I fucked with.


Also it's coming... SHUT IT ALL DOWN  :heyman
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/house-votes-defund-planned-parenthood

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Post by: Mandark on September 18, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 02:20:40 AM

Ann Coulter going off on jews over twitter.
 :gurl

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/644356237618900993?s=09

Fun little subplot in right wing politics.

On one hand you've got Coulter and Mickey Kaus (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/mickey-kaus-quits-daily-caller-after-tucker-carlson-pulls-critical-fox-news-column-204135) saying conservatives should focus less on ISIS and terrorism and such, and more on building a border wall.

On the other you have Charles Krauthammer (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-way-forward/2012/11/08/6592e302-29d8-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html) and Michael Gerson (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/michael-gerson-republicans-must-come-to-terms-on-immigration/2013/06/20/6b248c48-d9ce-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_story.html) telling the GOP to suck it up and go after Latino votes so it can regain power and prosecute wars in the Middle East.

If only they adapted intersectionality for their own purposes, they could come together and hate all brown people equally.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2015, 04:40:56 PM

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sports/concussion-watch/new-87-deceased-nfl-players-test-positive-for-brain-disease/

Honestly if the athletes are going to die anyways can we just give them swords and nets?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 18, 2015, 04:41:45 PM

https://youtu.be/Mu1pPx7w4MU

 :sabu :sabu @ 1:35
The Don's such a great troll even his most ardent fans are trolls themselves.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 18, 2015, 04:43:04 PM

Legislate using fake videos, brehs.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2015, 04:50:21 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 18, 2015, 04:43:04 PM

Legislate using fake videos, brehs.

Even better, Carly Fiorina got caught lying about fake videos! :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 18, 2015, 04:56:24 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 18, 2015, 03:46:09 PM

Quote from: studyguy on September 17, 2015, 02:20:40 AM

Ann Coulter going off on jews over twitter.
 :gurl

https://twitter.com/haaretzcom/status/644356237618900993?s=09

Fun little subplot in right wing politics.

On one hand you've got Coulter and Mickey Kaus (http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2015/03/mickey-kaus-quits-daily-caller-after-tucker-carlson-pulls-critical-fox-news-column-204135) saying conservatives should focus less on ISIS and terrorism and such, and more on building a border wall.

On the other you have Charles Krauthammer (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/charles-krauthammer-the-way-forward/2012/11/08/6592e302-29d8-11e2-96b6-8e6a7524553f_story.html) and Michael Gerson (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/michael-gerson-republicans-must-come-to-terms-on-immigration/2013/06/20/6b248c48-d9ce-11e2-a016-92547bf094cc_story.html) telling the GOP to suck it up and go after Latino votes so it can regain power and prosecute wars in the Middle East.

If only they adapted intersectionality for their own purposes, they could come together and hate all brown people equally.

??? wouldn't that be "unionality"?

ohhh wait i get it now

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 18, 2015, 05:15:45 PM

Schadenfreude doesn't begin to cover the GOP mess that is them infighting about who to hate on.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2015, 05:22:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0KDa6KXxqU

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Post by: VomKriege on September 18, 2015, 05:31:28 PM

The fact that McCain, probably a better and more dignified man (at the time, anyway) than any of the current GOP candidates, couldn't control the crazies and the usual campaign escalation to mindless pandering tells it all really.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2015, 05:39:32 PM

The one high-ranking GOP leader from the past 15 years that actually defended Muslims and Islam was George W. Bush. How crazy is that?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Syph on September 18, 2015, 05:58:44 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2015, 05:39:32 PM

The one high-ranking GOP leader from the past 15 years that actually defended Muslims and Islam was George W. Bush. How crazy is that?

There's a video of him going off on a reporter which I will try and find that is actually an excellent example of how someone should refer to Islamic terrorism
As opposed to the tip-toeing or extreme norms of today

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 18, 2015, 05:59:29 PM

Brehs I just can't anymore

(http://a4.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/mdo1q1azk9wqdulx9uc4.jpg)

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Post by: VomKriege on September 18, 2015, 06:03:15 PM

Isn't Bush 43 also the US President who, by far, send the most aid money to Africa notably for health programs ? Part of it tied to some of that shitty abstinence agenda (Christian bigots gonna be bigoted), but still with a certain measure of success. Googling that, it seems even Bono praised him  :o .
I know it's the oldest excuse in the book but he really had a toxic entourage. That doesn't absolve him or anything (The buck stops with him whatever the context), but overall I have the feel he really bought into his own compassionate conservatism. My understanding is that he also had real reach (certainly more than his fellows) in the latino electorate and that the GOP would be maybe less annihilated to them if he went through with a more ambitious immigration reform that was considered but ultimately shelved.

The GOP really seems to have missed some crucial turns there.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2015, 06:10:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D6HLDnYu64

I still think he's the nominee.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Boogie on September 18, 2015, 06:30:08 PM

Youtube caption fail.  That's not what he said.  :P

I mean, these candidates are saying some truly stupid shit every day, I'm not sure it's necessary to try and twist statements to be something they're not (quite). 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 18, 2015, 07:33:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2015, 06:10:27 PM

I still think he's the nominee.

 :crazy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2015, 07:44:15 PM

Biggest waste of the debate was when someone said they'd arm the Kurds and Jake Tapper didn't go to Trump for a response.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

By the way, I do think the Kurds, while we're on it, I do think the Kurds are not being utilized properly and not being treated properly by us.

[close]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 18, 2015, 07:59:15 PM

Yeah, I was expecting some drama between Trump and Hewitt.  Sorely disappointed.  :'(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 18, 2015, 09:08:59 PM

House voted to defund planned parenthood.

 :shaq2

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Post by: Kara on September 18, 2015, 09:35:19 PM

Quote

“No matter what party you belong to, we should all agree that taxpayer dollars should not be used for harvesting baby parts for profit,” Representative Tim Walberg of Michigan said.

Fuck you you pinko commie hippie. Job creators outchea trying to get some :money.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 18, 2015, 09:36:45 PM

How about we agree on just what the fuck reality is, and it's not what ever the fuck that idiot described.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2015, 11:00:24 PM

I've seen this movie before. Let me guess: Boehner will let the kids play for a few days, Obama will stand firm, the Senate will pass a clean bill that funds the government (including Planned Parenthood), Boehner will pull the rug from under the extremists in his caucus/get a clean bill passed, Obama will will sign a clean govt funding bill.

I used to think maybe Boehner will let them shut down the government for a few days but nah, not during a presidential election.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 18, 2015, 11:40:49 PM

I hope Boehner gets kicked to the curb just for the entertainment value. The House is already a disaster, who cares if it's made to be slightly more of a disaster? I'm sure it'll be like last time where everyone hates him, but the insurgents are too disorganized to actually oust him, but I didn't think Cantor would get primaried either.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2015, 04:19:23 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-i-am-a-bush

:crazy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 19, 2015, 06:45:25 PM

I thought Jeb! was supposed to be the stupid one, like somehow even stupider than George W. ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 19, 2015, 09:55:51 PM

If he was the smart one he would have been president already.

Checkmate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on September 20, 2015, 01:03:33 AM

(https://scontent-lga1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/12003374_10153681534436081_368742581958418964_n.jpg?oh=5796057027bce76b0e0a594d43039af6&oe=56A3E3DA)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 02:49:47 AM

https://mcafee16.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-ZZw5vylx4

http://www.whoismcafee.com/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 20, 2015, 03:37:34 AM

"He kept our PCs safe !"

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 03:41:28 AM

Quote

In 2012, when asked if he personally uses McAfee anti-virus he replied by saying "I take it off," and that "It's too annoying."

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 07:56:58 AM

Quote

Jake Tapper ‏@jaketapper  1h1 hour ago
Wow. Some big changes in the race in our post-debate poll. Tune in to @CNNSotu at 9 am ET - plus we'll talk to Trump, Christie & Kasich

Quote

Mark Halperin ‏@MarkHalperin  13h13 hours ago
Whatever the @CNN GOP post-debate national poll numbers show at 9am ET Sunday,  THE WORLD WILL NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN.  @jaketapper

Lindsey Graham surge incoming!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 08:40:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/2KQLeW0.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 20, 2015, 09:06:45 AM

Is !Jeb standing on tip toes again?

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 09:10:22 AM

PD...our guy...get the paddles

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 20, 2015, 09:15:56 AM

Walker putting in that work. Paging PD.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1114726

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 09:17:13 AM

There were too many shots of his bald spot, especially with Trump in the frame.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 09:31:45 AM

Enthusiasm gap:

Quote

Democrats:
51% - extremely/very enthusiastic about 2016 election
23% - not too/not at all enthusiastic about 2016 election

Republicans:
65% - extremely/very enthusiastic about 2016 election
11% - not too/not at all enthusiastic about 2016 election

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 09:42:15 AM

Just more proof that the people want Bernie not some "in your heart you know she might" Goldwater Republican.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 20, 2015, 10:26:48 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 08:40:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/2KQLeW0.jpg)

BrandNew come get ya boys.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 11:30:39 AM

Quote

Donald Trump’s campaign said to Breitbart News, “Both polls reinforce that Mr. Trump is the leader in the race by a wide margin and won the debate. Other candidates will rise and fall depending on individual performance, but Mr. Trump is solidifying his substantial lead.”

(http://i.imgur.com/rrL1ypD.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 20, 2015, 11:58:39 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/20/teen-prosecuted-naked-images-himself-phone-selfies

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Post by: Rufus on September 20, 2015, 12:19:28 PM

One can only hope that they're doing this to highlight the stupidity of the law. Right? Right?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2015, 12:24:59 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 20, 2015, 11:58:39 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/20/teen-prosecuted-naked-images-himself-phone-selfies

An adult perpetrator and a minor victim, but both are the same person. :stahp

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 12:25:55 PM

I was looking up the various candidates PAC donations and came across this:

Quote

George H.W. Bush gave $125,000 to his son's super PAC, but George W. Bush only gave $95,000 to his brother's.

:lol

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Post by: Shadow Mod on September 20, 2015, 12:29:01 PM

When you have as money as they do isn't that basically just donating a mercedes.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 12:32:02 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 20, 2015, 11:58:39 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/20/teen-prosecuted-naked-images-himself-phone-selfies

Quote

In July, Denson took a plea deal and admitted a misdemeanour. Felony charges were dropped. She was put on probation for a year, technically for exploiting herself by making and having a naked image of herself.

She was ordered to pay $200 in court costs, stay in school, refrain from using illegal drugs and alcohol, take a class in making good decisions and do 30 hours of community services. She will not be allowed to have a cellphone for a year.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2015, 07:15:32 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carly-fiorina-planned-parenthood-video

“Do you acknowledge what every fact checker has found?” Fox News host Chris Wallace asked Fiorina Sunday. “As horrific as the scene is, it was only described on the video by someone who claimed to have seen it. There is not -- no actual footage of the incident you just mentioned.”

“No, I don’t accept that at all,” Fiorina responded. “I’ve seen the footage. And I find it amazing, actually, that all these supposed fact checkers in the mainstream media claim this doesn’t exist, they’re trying to attack the authenticity of the videotape, I haven’t found a lot of people in the mainstream media who has ever watched these things.”

“I mean, they will claim that somebody watched it for them,” she continued. “I will continue to dare anyone who wants to continue to fund Planned Parenthood, watch the videotapes. And anyone who wants to challenge me first is going to have to prove to me that they watched it.”

(http://i.imgur.com/rrL1ypD.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2015, 09:08:51 PM

I guess I misjudged misandry amongst republican voters, who are clearly rejecting him based on his physical appearance.

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Post by: Shadow Mod on September 21, 2015, 01:34:39 AM

Someone should piece together a video of torture dungeons and a bunch of speeches by Fiorina to say she's the living incarnation of the devil.

Maybe she'll understand editing then.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2015, 10:09:59 AM

How can all these "supposed" "fact" "checkers" in the mainstream "media" claim that the video doesn't "exist" when they haven't even watched the nonexistent video?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2015, 12:47:20 PM

I can't actually believe that "Bush was actually a great President!!" is the hill that Jeb! is gonna die on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=28&v=on9q1GrE7Ys

Quote from: Jeb!

@HillaryClinton Your political machine’s 9/11 ad is disgraceful. As a New Yorker you know the leadership my brother provided after 9/11

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Post by: Steve Contra on September 21, 2015, 12:47:29 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 20, 2015, 11:58:39 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/20/teen-prosecuted-naked-images-himself-phone-selfies

This episode of Black Mirror was p cool

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2015, 03:42:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN5Lj_74u38

PD, come get your boy :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 21, 2015, 03:57:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ustYGg8Qm1A

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 21, 2015, 04:20:23 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/21/scott-walker-said-to-be-quitting-presidential-race/ (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/09/21/scott-walker-said-to-be-quitting-presidential-race/)

PD  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2015, 04:21:39 PM

Goddamnit, Contra beat me by seconds.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 21, 2015, 04:26:16 PM

Normally a Randroid doctrinaire meekly quitting after not even polling would be a cause for celebration, but this is GOP 2016: Husker Du?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 21, 2015, 04:30:18 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 21, 2015, 04:26:16 PM

Normally a Randroid doctrinaire meekly quitting after not even polling would be a cause for celebration, but this is GOP 2016: Husker Du?

I'll still take the W.  I can't think of a more noxious person in the 2016 race and that's saying a lot.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 21, 2015, 04:36:02 PM

It is. :goty2

Is there a more resounding vote of no confidence in the party line, btw? To borrow from a Brecht poem, perhaps the GOP can dissolve their constituency and elect another. :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2015, 04:40:32 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on September 21, 2015, 04:30:18 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 21, 2015, 04:26:16 PM

Normally a Randroid doctrinaire meekly quitting after not even polling would be a cause for celebration, but this is GOP 2016: Husker Du?

I'll still take the W.  I can't think of a more noxious person in the 2016 race and that's saying a lot.

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/trump4.jpg)

re: the gop base, it's funny to me that roughly half of the support is going to people (Trump, Fiorina, Carson) that have never held office. The yahoos that make up the GOP are sick of their politicians giving them the sweet, sweet red meat pillow talk and then just lying there like a pillow queen when it's time to fuck. They want someone that will do ALL the dirty shit, and if they've gotta elect a troll doll, a failed CEO, or an idiot neurosurgeon to do it, they will.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2015, 04:45:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/qS30WLe.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 21, 2015, 04:46:48 PM

Trump more noxious than Walker?  i don't think so.  Trump is a blowhard asshole who probably wouldn't get much done, Walker has proven time and time again he's willing to railroad whoever needed to institute his shitty ideologies.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 21, 2015, 04:51:40 PM

They'd probably elect a gay Muslim if he was the only one promising to undo the Iran deal or get rid of immigrants/Planned Parenthood. I'm not trying to focus on the stupidest parts of their agenda, those actually seem to be the main things they want to do.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2015, 04:52:20 PM

Walker thinks that Reagan's union busting was his greatest foreign policy achievement, because it let Russia know he meant business.

Christ, what an asshole.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on September 21, 2015, 05:09:55 PM

PD, please give !Jeb your kiss of death next  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 21, 2015, 05:12:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2015, 06:10:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D6HLDnYu64

I still think he's the nominee.

Let's never forget Friday the 18th of September 2015, when PD killed Scott Walker's campaign :tocry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Sausage on September 21, 2015, 05:13:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko1Qt-uVgk0

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2015, 05:39:33 PM

@myself
(http://www.thecoli.com/media/mankind-mjcry.4380/full?d=1436379402)
:beli I thought he was the surefire nominee. Far right record for the base and enough respect from the establishment to be the fall back candidate after Bush flamed out. A record of "beating democrats in a blue state" (nevermind the heavy asterisk such a claim deserves - he's never run during a general election - it's a potent talking point to republicans). Destroyed unions at Reagan-esque levels. Wow.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 21, 2015, 05:39:45 PM

Why can't minorities just pull up themselves up from their bootstraps like I've done for the past 14 years.

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“I strongly believe that Senator Cruz is truly what America needs to make America the shining city on a hill it once was,” CJ wrote in an e-mail to The Washington Post, saying Cruz would challenge the “Washington cartel.” “To allude to the Hunger Games, he’s the face of the rebellion. Being a teenager, I am definitely a big fan of that haha!”

Pearson wrote. “Ahmed is being used as a political prop, and to be quite frank, it’s quite disgusting. It’s even more disgusting that he’s enjoying it.”

 :neogaf

I shouldn't laugh at 14 year olds though, makes me no better than the dudes shitting on the poor kid getting cuffed for nothing.
Still kid has some unfortunate opinions.
 :tocry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2015, 05:43:55 PM

Pretty sure Sulu gets to call the dude black face because he is a yellow face, not because he is a liberal.  For example, people would be pissed if I called anyone a variable-color face regardless of my political leanings. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2015, 05:55:49 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2015, 03:42:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lN5Lj_74u38

PD, come get your boy :dead

Ten years from now this kid's gonna be seen threatening old white people with a nightstick at a suburban voting site.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 21, 2015, 06:01:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2015, 04:52:20 PM

Walker thinks that Reagan's union busting was his greatest foreign policy achievement, because it let Russia know he meant business.

Christ, what an asshole.

Yeah, OK, buddy. What was Russia part of then? The Soviet Union. By taking apart unions like PATCO, Reagan showed them Russkies that no one was safe, not even homophones.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 21, 2015, 06:05:48 PM

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no one was safe, not even homophones

Newsfeed

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 21, 2015, 06:55:51 PM

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Former peanut company executive Stewart Parnell was hit with a virtual life prison term Monday for his 2014 conviction on crimes related to a salmonella outbreak blamed for killing nine and sickening hundreds.

A federal judge in Georgia sentenced the 61-year-old former head of Peanut Corporation of America to 28 years behind bars, imposing potentially the toughest punishment in U.S. history for a producer in a foodborne illness case.

He sent an email to his plant manager saying something like, "this is costing us too much $$$." Apparently writing the word money also cost too much.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 21, 2015, 07:06:20 PM

In other news of corporate duplicity:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/09/obama_administration_orders_vo.html


The Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal is I think going to hurt them more than the Toyota floor mat or Takata air bag scandals (even though no one died because of this).

Half a million vehicles recalled. And the most likely fix will be a software one that gives the car worse mileage/power than when it was new.  Way to flush one of the biggest brands in the world down the toilet. All because they focused on diesels rather than hybrids.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2015, 07:23:28 PM

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"I encourage other Republican presidential candidates to consider doing the same so the voters can focus on a limited number of candidates who can offer a positive, conservative alternative to the current frontrunner," Walker added.

(http://i.imgur.com/rrL1ypD.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 21, 2015, 07:32:29 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 21, 2015, 07:06:20 PM

In other news of corporate duplicity:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/09/obama_administration_orders_vo.html


The Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal is I think going to hurt them more than the Toyota floor mat or Takata air bag scandals (even though no one died because of this).

Half a million vehicles recalled. And the most likely fix will be a software one that gives the car worse mileage/power than when it was new.  Way to flush one of the biggest brands in the world down the toilet. All because they focused on diesels rather than hybrids.

They programmed the engine to know when it was being smogged and to accordingly not pollute as much. :dead

<insert car mag cliche about "Teutonic" engineering> :hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 21, 2015, 07:49:28 PM

Triumph please wear this the next time I see you

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPUrUY_UwAAJbFo.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 21, 2015, 07:56:18 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 21, 2015, 07:32:29 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 21, 2015, 07:06:20 PM

In other news of corporate duplicity:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/09/obama_administration_orders_vo.html


The Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal is I think going to hurt them more than the Toyota floor mat or Takata air bag scandals (even though no one died because of this).

Half a million vehicles recalled. And the most likely fix will be a software one that gives the car worse mileage/power than when it was new.  Way to flush one of the biggest brands in the world down the toilet. All because they focused on diesels rather than hybrids.

They programmed the engine to know when it was being smogged and to accordingly not pollute as much. :dead

<insert car mag cliche about "Teutonic" engineering> :hitler

Small deisels are fun though so hopefully they get their act together. They are going to lose billions on this as well as environmentalist credibility  obviously so it could open the door to some competitors. Mazda hasn't been willing to bring over their diesel sedans yet due to the performance impact it would take to meet US regulations.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on September 21, 2015, 07:56:49 PM

70 bucks?

Halloween is such a ripoff.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 21, 2015, 07:58:42 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on September 21, 2015, 07:56:49 PM

70 bucks?

Halloween is such a ripoff.

I know, and for an outfit that'll be on the floor within 10 minutes...what a waste

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 21, 2015, 08:17:55 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 21, 2015, 07:49:28 PM

Triumph please wear this the next time I see you

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPUrUY_UwAAJbFo.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diMp241gAcw

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on September 21, 2015, 08:35:22 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 21, 2015, 07:06:20 PM

In other news of corporate duplicity:

http://www.al.com/news/index.ssf/2015/09/obama_administration_orders_vo.html


The Volkswagen diesel emissions scandal is I think going to hurt them more than the Toyota floor mat or Takata air bag scandals (even though no one died because of this).

Half a million vehicles recalled. And the most likely fix will be a software one that gives the car worse mileage/power than when it was new.  Way to flush one of the biggest brands in the world down the toilet. All because they focused on diesels rather than hybrids.

Germany cry emoticon overdue.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2015, 09:02:06 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on September 21, 2015, 07:49:28 PM

Triumph please wear this the next time I see you

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPUrUY_UwAAJbFo.jpg)

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Stephen-Colbert-Takes-Off-Glasses-and-Shakes-Head.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 21, 2015, 09:20:21 PM

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 22, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Sooooo much schadenfreude. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/scott-walker-quits-2016-213912)'

Quote from: rich tools who bet on the wrong horse

“I did not get a heads up,” said Richard Roberts, a pharmaceutical executive, who hosted Walker in his New Jersey home only three weeks ago and gave $100,000 to Walker’s super PAC in June. Walker has visited the Roberts residence three times in the last year-and-a-half.

Roberts previously gave $100,000 to fight the 2012 recall, making half his contributions after he’d received a threating email for his donation through his company.
“I felt like I’d gone to the wall for him,” Roberts told POLITICO. “Yes, I was surprised that he didn’t consider me to be within his inner circle, to give me a heads up, to trust me.”
Walker’s biggest political patrons, the Ricketts family, which has contributed $5 million to his super PAC, felt similarly blindsided, according to an adviser to the Walker campaign. Todd Ricketts, who has been among Walker’s most aggressive fundraisers, did not get a call until later Monday afternoon.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 22, 2015, 03:52:41 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 22, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Sooooo much schadenfreude. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/scott-walker-quits-2016-213912)'

Quote from: rich tools who bet on the wrong horse

“I did not get a heads up,” said Richard Roberts, a pharmaceutical executive, who hosted Walker in his New Jersey home only three weeks ago and gave $100,000 to Walker’s super PAC in June. Walker has visited the Roberts residence three times in the last year-and-a-half.

Roberts previously gave $100,000 to fight the 2012 recall, making half his contributions after he’d received a threating email for his donation through his company.
“I felt like I’d gone to the wall for him,” Roberts told POLITICO. “Yes, I was surprised that he didn’t consider me to be within his inner circle, to give me a heads up, to trust me.”
Walker’s biggest political patrons, the Ricketts family, which has contributed $5 million to his super PAC, felt similarly blindsided, according to an adviser to the Walker campaign. Todd Ricketts, who has been among Walker’s most aggressive fundraisers, did not get a call until later Monday afternoon.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1115243

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2015, 08:46:28 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 22, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Sooooo much schadenfreude. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/scott-walker-quits-2016-213912)'

Quote from: rich tools who bet on the wrong horse

“I did not get a heads up,” said Richard Roberts, a pharmaceutical executive, who hosted Walker in his New Jersey home only three weeks ago and gave $100,000 to Walker’s super PAC in June. Walker has visited the Roberts residence three times in the last year-and-a-half.

Roberts previously gave $100,000 to fight the 2012 recall, making half his contributions after he’d received a threating email for his donation through his company.
“I felt like I’d gone to the wall for him,” Roberts told POLITICO. “Yes, I was surprised that he didn’t consider me to be within his inner circle, to give me a heads up, to trust me.”
Walker’s biggest political patrons, the Ricketts family, which has contributed $5 million to his super PAC, felt similarly blindsided, according to an adviser to the Walker campaign. Todd Ricketts, who has been among Walker’s most aggressive fundraisers, did not get a call until later Monday afternoon.

:umad

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 08:57:14 AM

Walker must have burned through that cash like mad. The SuperPAC had only spent $2 million out of its $20+ million through mid-August.

Wonder if he decided to hold it for 2018. (Wisconsin has no gubernatorial term limits.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2015, 09:30:48 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 22, 2015, 03:41:52 AM

Sooooo much schadenfreude. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/scott-walker-quits-2016-213912)'

Quote from: rich tools who bet on the wrong horse

“I did not get a heads up,” said Richard Roberts, a pharmaceutical executive, who hosted Walker in his New Jersey home only three weeks ago and gave $100,000 to Walker’s super PAC in June. Walker has visited the Roberts residence three times in the last year-and-a-half.

Roberts previously gave $100,000 to fight the 2012 recall, making half his contributions after he’d received a threating email for his donation through his company.
“I felt like I’d gone to the wall for him,” Roberts told POLITICO. “Yes, I was surprised that he didn’t consider me to be within his inner circle, to give me a heads up, to trust me.”
Walker’s biggest political patrons, the Ricketts family, which has contributed $5 million to his super PAC, felt similarly blindsided, according to an adviser to the Walker campaign. Todd Ricketts, who has been among Walker’s most aggressive fundraisers, did not get a call until later Monday afternoon.

You can take a conservative out of a presidential race, but you can't take out the con in conservative.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on September 22, 2015, 09:42:11 AM

Peace, Walker.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2015, 10:06:50 AM

I wonder how much money PD is out?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2015, 10:19:17 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 08:57:14 AM

Walker must have burned through that cash like mad. The SuperPAC had only spent $2 million out of its $20+ million through mid-August.

Wonder if he decided to hold it for 2018. (Wisconsin has no gubernatorial term limits.)

PAC money is useless right now because ad purchases aren't going out. Walker's team was wasting actual campaign money. Same problem Romney and now Bush have: overpaid staff and polling. But Walker's team must have been doing something else as well. They had like 8mil in campaign money...how they couldn't last until Iowa is blowing my mind.

Someone posted a story about how some ugly news was about to drop, and Walker bailed before it could hurt him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2015, 10:51:28 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2015, 10:19:17 AM

Someone posted a story about how some ugly news was about to drop, and Walker bailed before it could hurt him.

Walker is in the picture with Cameron and his junk is right next to Cameron's. #crossingswords

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 01:35:35 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/a-thrifty-marco-rubio-is-poised-to-capitalize-on-129618229986.html (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/a-thrifty-marco-rubio-is-poised-to-capitalize-on-129618229986.html)

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Marco Rubio’s top campaign adviser couldn’t contain his glee at the prospect of discussing the presidential candidate’s Spartan spending habits on the day Scott Walker dropped out of the Republican primary, in part because of profligate spending.

“We’ve run such a lean campaign at times, taken knocks for it. But keeping control of the budget is such an important thing,” said Terry Sullivan, campaign manager for Rubio, the U.S. senator from Florida.

At an event hosted by Google and the National Review at Google’s Washington headquarters near Union Station, Sullivan boasted how every staffer has taken a pay cut to work for Rubio, how they sell bumper stickers and yard signs rather than giving them away, how Rubio flies commercial 95 percent of the time he travels (the other 5 percent is on a private jet) and how he, Sullivan, personally monitors every significant purchase.

“Every expense of over $500 in the entire campaign, I sign a piece of paper on. It is a giant pain in the ass,” he said, clearly pleased. Moments later, he said, “It’s working. It creates a culture and a mindset that’s very different.”

“It’s a state of mind. We’re all here for one person. It’s Marco. It’s not about us,” Sullivan said.

This fiscal discipline was a reason for bullishness on a day when Walker had to admit to his aides that the “finances just aren’t there,” having hired 90 staffers in a premature buildup. Former Texas Gov. Rick Perry withdrew last week, also for money reasons. Perry’s campaign had hoped for $4 million and budgeted for around $2.5 million but ended up raising only a little bit more than $1 million from donors.

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., meanwhile, has raised very little money and has barely registered in the polls but has been able to stay in the race so far because, as his campaign manager Christian Ferry said Monday at the Google event, “We’re running a small, disciplined, flexible mobile campaign that we can afford.”

Graham’s campaign staff numbers about a dozen, Ferry said. “That’s the campaign we’ve had planned from day one,” he said.

By contrast, former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush raised the most money of any candidate in the first half of 2015 but also has a bigger campaign than Rubio and is now facing questions from restless donors about why he has been unable to stop current frontrunner Donald Trump. Bush’s campaign has said they are running a “lean” campaign, but recent reports have indicated some reductions in staff pay and an increase in Bush’s travel on commercial airlines instead of private jets.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/scott-walker-quits-2016-takeaways-213907 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/scott-walker-quits-2016-takeaways-213907)

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Several senior Republicans with knowledge of his campaign said the 47-year-old Walker — who won two elections and survived a recall effort without the help of national consultants — was simply too confident in his own abilities and often acted, ineptly, as his own campaign manager.

“The impression I had,” said one veteran GOP operative, “was that Scott was making it up as he went along.”

...

But angry as Walker was — his super PAC was named “Unintimidated” — he just wasn’t quite angry enough.

Liz Mair, a former Walker aide who was fired earlier this year, took to Twitter on Monday to enumerate the mistakes her one-time boss had made — and said he often seemed overmatched by the velocity and information overload inherent in a modern presidential campaign.

At the top of her list: “Not educating himself fast enough on issues outside governor's remit” and “Not training himself out of tics incl[uding] instinctively answering 'yes' and 'absolutely' to things, comparing lots of things to union fight.”

...

The two Republican debates — which might have served as a safety net for his free-falling candidacy — were unmemorable, and his bland passivity at last Wednesday’s otherwise raucous showdown proved fatal.

On a night when Carly Fiorina rose, instantly, from the ranks of also-rans to second or third place, Walker found himself shut out of the back-and-forth — logging a mere eight minutes of talk time, compared with Trump’s 20 despite his best efforts to interrupt.

“He was a terrible candidate, but he also got Trump-ed,” said one Walker ally.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/21/how-donald-trump-destroyed-scott-walkers-presidential-chances/

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But, that calculation was pre-Trump. From the day Trump entered the race in mid-June, Walker struggled to find his footing in a race in which the "star" was no longer Jeb Bush -- a relatively conventional opponent -- but rather an entertainer who would say and do anything to draw attention.

As Trump went from a novelty act to the star of the presidential campaign, Walker's 'Joe Average'-schtick began to feel like an echo of a race that was no longer being run.  Crowds packed in cheek-to-jowl to listen to Trump regale them with the famous people he knew and the "big" deals he had cut. Walker just kept telling the same story about how he got his sweaters at Kohl's.

A "bigness" gap emerged -- never more so than at the two debates, the first in Cleveland and the second last week in California.  Walker, despite his relative prime position on the stage -- a vestige of the national polling bump he got after that speech at the Iowa event way back in February -- seemed diminished when standing among his rivals for the nomination.  And it wasn't just Trump whose persona towered over Walker; Bush, Marco Rubio, Carly Fiorina and Chris Christie all just seemed -- and I know this is a loaded word --more presidential than Walker.  In the second debate last week, Walker spoke for the shortest period of time of any candidate on the stage; his campaign complained about the lack of speaking time but part of running for president is being able to butt your way into conversations and making moments. He did neither.

Speaking of making moments, the Walker campaign did everything it could to find a moment in which his supposed "true self" showed through. But, even when they found one -- Walker shouting down a protester at the Iowa State Fair seemed like it might do the trick -- the candidate could never repeat the performance. It was a one-off rather than a trend.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 22, 2015, 01:44:46 PM

Little over a week till the inevitable shut down.
 ::)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 01:46:32 PM

Looks like Romney's campaign is doomed:

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Q25 (Republicans) If the Republican candidates for
President were Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Ted
Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Mitt
Romney, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump, and
Scott Walker who would you vote for?
Jeb Bush 6% .........................................................
Ben Carson 17% .....................................................
Ted Cruz 10% .........................................................
Carly Fiorina 14% ...................................................
Mike Huckabee 6% ...............................................
Mitt Romney 7% ....................................................
Marco Rubio 7% ...................................................
Donald Trump 24% .................................................
Scott Walker 4% ...................................................
Someone else / Not sure 5%

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 22, 2015, 01:47:36 PM

I'm sure that Walker and Perry's flameout due to financial campaign mismanagement is surely not at all reflective of how well their respective statewide administrations handle budgeting as well.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 22, 2015, 01:49:07 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 01:46:32 PM

Looks like Romney's campaign is doomed:

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Q25 (Republicans) If the Republican candidates for
President were Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Ted
Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Mitt
Romney, Marco Rubio, Donald Trump, and
Scott Walker who would you vote for?
Jeb Bush 6% .........................................................
Ben Carson 17% .....................................................
Ted Cruz 10% .........................................................
Carly Fiorina 14% ...................................................
Mike Huckabee 6% ...............................................
Mitt Romney 7% ....................................................
Marco Rubio 7% ...................................................
Donald Trump 24% .................................................
Scott Walker 4% ...................................................
Someone else / Not sure 5%

(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2015-02-04-Nope-thumb.jpg)
Suprised Huckabee and JEB! are polling around the same. Figured Huckabee was dead in the water but would ride it out for endorsements on shit later, but JEB! is looking pretty ass too.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 22, 2015, 02:24:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKxXtOyMmYc&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 22, 2015, 02:25:43 PM

I know Jeb is thinking that he has to drag along until super Tuesday at least. Dropping out when there's any hope would feel like an endorsement for Trump.

One side effect of the field narrowing is that Trump and whatever candidates are left will get more media attention for any stupid thing they say.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 02:36:48 PM

What Do Donald Trump Voters Actually Want?
30 of the billionaire real-estate developer’s backers offer individual explanations for their support. (http://"http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/08/donald-trump-voters/401408/")

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I have been a liberal practically all of my life (29 years). I am an atheist, and my first ever Presidential vote was cast for John Kerry. I more or less despised George Bush, and even though I leaned toward Hillary in 2008, I voted for Obama in 2012. I support gay marriage, legalization of marijuana, and many other liberal positions.

I do, however, believe that our country is in a terrible position and on a terrible track. Trump strikes many of my nerves, but one of the most accurate and dangerously true statements he has made is that "America doesn't win anymore." I agree. The world is rising while America falls. America and its leaders seem resigned to this fact. Rather than stiffening their spine and fighting to make America a prosperous nation for all, they simply talk, go through the motions, throw out a few "red meat" issues to keep their respective bases satisfied, and continue to concede American jobs and economic strength to the rest of the world.

To friends and family, I have long railed against the fact that America uses Presidential rejects and other back-bench political cronies as their chief negotiators. John Kerry (yes, the man I voted for) was out-negotiated time and time again by his Russian counterpart. And now, it appears that the same thing has happened once again with the Iran negotiators. This all ties back to the same fundamental thread: politicians have failed this country, leading to one loss after another.

I do not believe that I am a racist, sexist, homophobic, or any other negative label that has been affixed to Trump supports. Rather, I feel that political correctness has run amok in this country, and we now live in a society where every blogger and Twitter user is searching for the slightest offense so they can try to ruin another human (famous, or not). The average person is afraid of expressing any controversial opinion in a public forum for fear of being "exposed," made viral, and ruined, personally and/or professionally. It is heartening to see someone as confident and impervious to criticism as Trump standing up to this ever-present mob…and winning! People tend to support the underdog. Most media outlets have attacked Trump with so much vitriol that they have turned him into a sympathetic figure.

Yes, I really do feel that Donald Trump has the interests of America at heart. He has already made his money and lived a life of glamour and fame, and another few billion dollars won't have any real impact on his quality of life. Rather, I genuinely believe that Trump feels the need to fight for the country he loves. There once was a time when people could actually feel proud to be Americans, and Trump comes from a generation that experienced that feeling. Now, many are embarrassed to be associated with this country. Jobs are being outsourced with reckless abandon and this country is literally being hollowed out. Economic statistics do no justice to this reality, and the average American knows this to be true.

Trump supporters feel that a confident, strong-willed leader is needed to right the ship and to fight back against the perpetual decline this country has experienced for the last two-plus decades. And to be honest, I feel that Trump is our only hope in this next election. This is coming from someone who voted for Obama in the last election! Anyway, that's my story and the main reasons why I support Trump. I didn't plan out this response for days or try to make this all-inclusive, but this should give you a fair idea of why I, a liberal, support Donald Trump for president.

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Thanks for your article. I’m quite a fan of your writing and The Atlantic. I figured I’d take you up on your offer to discuss why I am voting for Donald Trump, if I get the opportunity. I live in New Jersey and usually by the time the primaries get around to me both tickets are decided. Still, I plan on voting for Trump if he is the Republican nominee and will likely pull the lever for him if he runs as an independent.

A bit about my background so you don’t think I’m some sort of fire breathing know-nothing. I am a 39-year-old who earns well into the six figures as a communications executive for a hospital. I have had a long career in journalism and public relations. I have been married to my first and only wife for 12 years; she’s a nurse at a local hospital. I have two boys, aged 10 and 8. One has ADHD (my 10 year old) and one has autism (my eight year old), so I’m plugged into the disabled community. I am a devout Christian and attend a local Methodist church in my area that typically has about 450 people on a Sunday morning across two services. I’m white.

There was a time in my life where I was intimately familiar with politics and enjoyed engaging in all the arguments. I think my interest stopped right around 2008 because everything started to get really nasty. I read somewhere that family members weren’t speaking to each other over political disagreements. I have one brother. He voted for Obama; I voted for McCain. We disagree politically, but he’s the only brother I have and we love each other as brothers do. I cannot imagine our political preferences coming between us. It was also around this time that I started noticing political discourse going from intellectual to downright nasty at all levels, with people losing jobs over their political views in extreme cases.

Politically you could say I’m conservative, but the truth is I no longer care about the liberal vs. conservative arguments. What I want is a country that works and will continue to work for my kids and their kids. Our current elected leadership seems to have no other interest except defeating the opposition, and then when that happens, holding their position through excessive demonizing of their opponents.

So why do I support Trump? Because he’s an authentic leader. I think he’s just what the country needs right now to wake it out of its stupor. We’ve got serious problems, but we spend all our time shouting about whether gays should be allowed to marry. Neither liberals nor conservatives have solid ideas about how to move us forward, and the lack of civility in our discourse prevents them from working together. What results is a paralysis that might be amusing if there wasn’t so much to be done.

Why do I think Trump would be better?

He’s led large organizations before. There hasn’t been much examination of his business beyond his bankruptcies and the fact that he inherited large sums. However, by all accounts he leads an enormous, diversified organization that is worth billions. This requires leadership. Leadership, by the way, is different from knowledge. When you lead a large organization you set vision, goals and expect results. You do not know every detail of every level of your organization. You can’t. The world is too complicated. You delegate and empower. You can get information when you need it and the president has no shortage of people ready to educate him on issues.

He’s a negotiator. I think this part has been under-discussed, and is probably his greatest asset. He’s spent his whole life and career making deals and negotiating deals. In his own words, he negotiates to win. This is a skill, and it’s one that we should learn to value. The current presidential dichotomy has us either electing a liberal or conservative with clearly defined policy views that are not open for negotiation. How does that move us forward? We need to get creative and we need to negotiate.

I believe Donald Trump will be able to do that.

Let me now deal with what I think the main objections to his candidacy have been:

One, he has no political experience. While he doesn’t have any elective experience, it’s not true that he doesn’t have any political experience. He’s been leading a large organization and working with officials constantly; this requires political deftness that frankly might be better than what our current elected officials have to offer.

Two, he doesn’t have specific policy positions. This is a standard negotiating technique. You don’t show your hand publicly. Frankly, I like this better than electing a doctrinaire liberal or conservative who is going to Washington with predefined policy ideas that are rooted in solid philosophies and not open for debate.

Three, he’s a rude blowhard. There is some merit to this. It is abundantly clear that Trump loves the spotlight, and he does say things that make you shake your head and groan. He clearly loves attention, but while this is a flaw I’m not sure it’s a fatal one.

Take the Megyn Kelly flap. I think her question was misguided. It focused on his public statements. I would ask if he has ever been sued for sexual harassment by any of his employees. So far, no one has stepped forward to say that Trump was ever sexually inappropriate toward them, and if there were any out there I am sure they would have been found by now. When The Apprentice was in its first couple of hit seasons, one of the executives at the judging table was a woman. He’s also raised a daughter, Ivanka, who by all accounts is a solid business executive in her own right who loves her father. His woman problem is a bit overblown, I think.

And he did make a good point during the debate. We’ve got serious problems in this country; we shouldn’t be making a big deal over the prospective president’s tone.

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So why Trump? It is not because he is a Republican candidate or because he expresses conservative positions. It is not just because he is a political outsider and speaks his mind with no apologies. I support Trump because he is the picture of American greatness. Donald Trump's grandfather, Friedrich, emigrated to New York City from Germany in 1885 and, from humble beginnings (he worked first as a barber), began working toward the American Dream. Fast-forward 100 years later and Donald Trump is the inheritor of a strong work ethic and the richness that is possible only in a free country. Not only is he the inheritor, but he is the embodiment.

Think about the greatness of the American 20th Century. Think about Fred Astaire or Michael Jackson enchanting the world with dance. Think about John F. Kennedy or Ronald Reagan inspiring the world with leadership. Think of Babe Ruth, Martin Luther King Jr., Fred Rogers. The American 20th Century was a great one. Now think about the American headlines of today. What do you think of? War? Poverty? Political division? What are celebrities like today? Do we see greatness in America still on a daily basis or even in the movies? The Trump Family is the picture of the American Dream, and I believe Donald Trump is an honest man. When Donald Trump says that he wants to make America great again, I believe him. He has written books for all to read but that is not enough. He wants to lead.

Granted, Donald Trump cannot promise greatness among us as a society or a country. However, he can promise to be a leader for greatness, and he is fitted to do so.

Trump's foreign and domestic political positions are important and they matter. I am an independent voter and look forward to hearing more about his intentions as the political season rolls along. However, am I sold on his leadership? Yes, I am. Do I believe his courage? Yes, I do. I am relieved that he is not the traditional politician and is not speaking on behalf of his donors. The political system is broken and we need a true outsider to change the way things work. Yes, I know about those pictures with Hillary Clinton. Trump has always been a businessman first and has maintained an abundance of relations. This is a man with a huge network.

Trump is not the caricature that pundits would have you believe. Trump did not build his economic empire just with luck. As a Trump supporter, if I could ask anything from the American people, it would be respect. Please have respect for the family and fortune of this man. This is not just a man, this is the American Dream.

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You raise some good points in your article, especially when you refer to his two ex-wives. I hadn't thought about that. I also read the previous article you wrote about Trump, and I thought that it was also well thought out, and you sound like a decent person and you aren't putting me down because I support Trump (I have 3 degrees - B.A., Ed. M., M.A.).

When Barack Obama was elected, I cried for the country. We were doomed. I was not a McCain supporter but I voted for him anyway. I have been holding my nose and voting Republican for the past 40 plus years. George H.W. Bush lied to us when he said he wouldn't raise taxes. Bill Clinton lied to us when he said that he didn't have sex with that woman, and in the OVAL OFFICE of all places - that's my House, not his house.

Al Gore was the bathtub ring around Bill Clinton and he was smug and sanctimonious at the debates, and so G.W. Bush was a better choice and maybe he would govern as a conservative and be like Reagan. Then everything went to hell. Then we got Obama who governs against the will of the people––I do not think Obama loves America and I think he is trying to destroy this country. Whatever did the Democrats see in Obama? Well, maybe that's what we see in Trump. Maybe he is our version of Obama. Maybe everything you say about Trump is true.

But I know that Trump, unlike Obama, loves America. Trump has never lied to me whereas all of the other Republican politicians (like McConnell & Boehner) have. They don't fight for my side. They cave to Obama ahead of time. Nobody fights for my side. Trump fights. Trump wins. I want an Alpha Male who is going to take it to the enemy. I am tired of supporting losers. I used to vote for President based on their positions. Now I am going to vote for President based on emotion. I want a strong man to be president, an Alpha male, somebody who is going to rip the other side a new one. I am tired of losing the fight before we even have a fight. That is why I support Donald Trump. Ted Cruz is my second choice. Never Jeb!

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It is not that Trump supporters necessarily trust Trump to be their champion or that he can be relied upon to deliver better than other politicians. It is the confidence that he can't do worse (and just might do better). In the meantime, his supporters relish the contempt he shows toward the mainstream media and politicians (a contempt which is shared not just by Tea Party conservatives, but many educated liberals and independents). I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. But if I had to vote for any Republican, it would certainly be Trump. In a face off between Hillary Clinton and Trump, I again would vote Trump. While he might not deliver on his promises, he would certainly be a bull in the China shop of contemporary American politics, which has long needed destroying and rebuilding.

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 22, 2015, 02:47:08 PM

Remember when Mitt said that if Obama was re-elected no one would be able to find a job.

And now the unemployment level is the lowest in years and Mitt is the one without a job. (http://i.imgur.com/LhUyCfC.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 22, 2015, 02:52:59 PM

Re: Trump supporters

Your basic Tea Party supporter. Older white guys who want to be angry and shout angry things about how things are changing and not what they used to be.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 03:01:15 PM

My favorite reason:

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Two, he doesn’t have specific policy positions. This is a standard negotiating technique. You don’t show your hand publicly. Frankly, I like this better than electing a doctrinaire liberal or conservative who is going to Washington with predefined policy ideas that are rooted in solid philosophies and not open for debate.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2015, 03:07:14 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 22, 2015, 02:47:08 PM

Remember when Mitt said that if Obama was re-elected no one would be able to find a job.

And now the unemployment level is the lowest in years and Mitt is the one without a job. (http://i.imgur.com/LhUyCfC.png)

dat participation rate tho :goty2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 22, 2015, 03:26:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 03:01:15 PM

My favorite reason:

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Two, he doesn’t have specific policy positions. This is a standard negotiating technique. You don’t show your hand publicly. Frankly, I like this better than electing a doctrinaire liberal or conservative who is going to Washington with predefined policy ideas that are rooted in solid philosophies and not open for debate.

I like my leaders to have no idea what their doing!

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Post by: Rufus on September 22, 2015, 03:35:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 03:01:15 PM

My favorite reason:

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Two, he doesn’t have specific policy positions. This is a standard negotiating technique. You don’t show your hand publicly. Frankly, I like this better than electing a doctrinaire liberal or conservative who is going to Washington with predefined policy ideas that are rooted in solid philosophies and not open for debate.

:foxx

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2015, 04:05:56 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 03:01:15 PM

My favorite reason:

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Two, he doesn’t have specific policy positions. This is a standard negotiating technique. You don’t show your hand publicly. Frankly, I like this better than electing a doctrinaire liberal or conservative who is going to Washington with predefined policy ideas that are rooted in solid philosophies and not open for debate.

(http://i.imgur.com/YdY0TOj.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2015, 04:20:04 PM

I guess that would make Carly the Useless Chick.

Who's the Muscle, the Looks and the Brains then?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 22, 2015, 05:43:27 PM

if we are making dumb predictions on the record I'm gonna go with Rubio getting the eventual nomination

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 22, 2015, 11:44:45 PM

Quote from: tiesto on September 22, 2015, 09:42:11 AM

Peace, Walker.

(http://i.imgur.com/toAyNZ3.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 23, 2015, 12:36:59 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/pfMR7lVl.jpg)

 Voters Look On In Horror As 3 New Republican Candidates Appear In Place Of Scott Walker (http://www.theonion.com/article/voters-look-horror-3-new-republican-candidates-app-51366)

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MADISON, WI—Overcome by a profound feeling of dread and helplessness as the GOP field multiplied before their eyes, voters at Scott Walker’s press conference yesterday, in which the Wisconsin governor announced he was exiting the presidential race, reportedly looked on in horror as three new Republican contenders appeared on stage in place of the former candidate. “The moment Scott Walker said he was suspending his campaign, there they were, smiling and waving to the crowd—it was incredibly frightening,” said local resident Jordan Ottinger, who recalled the wave of terrified gasps that washed over the room when those in attendance began to realize that the clean-cut middle-aged men in suits who suddenly showed up behind Walker were each accompanied by a full staff of aides and supporters holding campaign signs.

“They just materialized, fully formed and already talking about conservative values. The scariest thing is that Walker was clearly defeated, but these candidates look fresh and strong, like they might have enough money and support to keep campaigning all the way to the primaries. My God, what do we do?” Sources confirmed that the crowd then began screaming and scattered in fear as the three new candidates descended from the dais and attempted to shake their hands.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2015, 03:02:11 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPhpbkOWsAAZxMS.png:large)

Quote from: http://www.dallasnews.com/news/community-news/park-cities/headlines/20150403-why-is-harlan-crow-building-a-garage-fit-for-77-cars.ece

The Harlan Crow Library is in a wing of Crow’s mansion. It holds thousands of rare books, manuscripts and artwork related to American politics, science and literature. It has a small stage where children can perform or act out skits, Crow said. A full-time librarian and a part-time librarian work at the library, he said.

“I have what I hope is a very fine collection of manuscripts and books pertaining to American history. And to the extent that I can share that with people from the area in a way that is educational and enjoyable, then I feel like I’ve done a good thing,” he said. “And that has been and continues to be what I want to do.”
…

Over the past 40 years, Crow has collected thousands of documents, manuscripts and works of art that span centuries. “Many people have their own hobbies and have vocations,” he said. “American history is mine.”

Among his favorites, Crow counts an Abraham Lincoln syllogism about the evils of slavery, a copy of Poor Richard’s Almanac and a letter written in 1493 by Christopher Columbus, after his first trip to the New World. The collection has paintings by Renoir and Monet and by Winston Churchill, Adolf Hitler and Dwight D. Eisenhower.

A sculpture garden includes likenesses of Churchill and Margaret Thatcher, the late British prime minister.

It also has busts of dictators, including Russian communist leader Vladimir Lenin, Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu and Yugoslav dictator Josip Broz Tito. Crow has said the collection is not intended as a celebration of repressive regimes but to preserve a part of world history.

…
Crow said he enjoys sharing pieces of history with friends, scholars and students. He said he’s always searching for new treasures, with the help of dealers and auction houses. On a recent trip to England, he discovered a document printed in July 1776 as ordered by the Constitutional Convention. He plans to add it to the collection.

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Making the notion that Crow has any ties to Hitler even more absurd is the fact that his mother, Margaret Crow, was nearly killed by the Nazis.

She survived the sinking of the British SS Athenia, which was the first British ship attacked by the Nazi U-boats. Crow owns multiple artifacts from the SS Athenia, as well.

 :money

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 23, 2015, 06:33:25 AM

A Ceausescu bust. :rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2015, 08:26:47 AM

That's laughter of jealousy, I can tell with you.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 23, 2015, 10:07:00 AM

JOEMENTIUM (http://images.businessweek.com/cms/2015-09-22/150923_wednesday_2121165.pdf)

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Which one of the following Democrats would be your first choice for president? (Read list and rotate.)
33 Hillary Clinton
25 Joe Biden
24 Bernie Sanders
2 Jim Webb
1 Martin O’Malley
- Lincoln Chafee

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2015, 10:10:37 AM

Quote from: Kara on September 23, 2015, 06:33:25 AM

A Ceausescu bust. :rofl

Get executed on Christmas Day for being a shitty dictator, brehs.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on September 23, 2015, 10:56:34 AM

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Pentagon-trained rebels in Syria are reported to have betrayed their American backers and handed their weapons over to al-Qaeda in Syria immediately after re-entering the country.

Fighters with Division 30, the “moderate” rebel division favoured by the United States, surrendered to the al-Qaeda-affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra, a raft of sources claimed on Monday night.

Obviously we just need to try again. Next time it will work.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/11882195/US-trained-Division-30-rebels-betrayed-US-and-hand-weapons-over-to-al-Qaedas-affiliate-in-Syria.html

500 million dollar program. lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2015, 11:12:23 AM

:bow arming moderate elements :bow2

:piss money :piss2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 23, 2015, 11:21:29 AM

Sanders not even able to beat Phantom Biden  :'(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 23, 2015, 11:36:56 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2015, 11:12:23 AM

:bow arming moderate elements :bow2

:piss money :piss2

Makes you long for the days of Iran-Contra when we armed psychopaths from the get-go.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 23, 2015, 12:16:31 PM

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-56024845/turbine/la-na-tt-francis-is-a-fake-20150922-001)

When religious figures aren't conservative enough for your conservative agendas.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 23, 2015, 12:21:46 PM

Isn't 'commie pinko' a clash of terms? 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 23, 2015, 12:28:59 PM

It's an oxymoron, but it sounded good to McCarthy era communist witch hunters so it somehow survived into today. Honestly I wonder how long conservatives can keep pushing their communist red scare terminology when generations have grown where the issue is irrelevant unless they're drinking deep from that conservative tap.

Like after a certain age calling someone a communist seems like you'd get only one kind of reaction:
:idont

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 23, 2015, 02:19:39 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/646716373473853442

(http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2015, 02:44:38 PM

Trump reached peak crazy too early, now he's got nothing left attract attention to himself. RIP Trump campaign.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 23, 2015, 03:02:47 PM

He's like the Energizer Bunny of nonsense. Never doubt his ability to keep going ..

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2015, 03:05:20 PM

You're probably right TA but this is the first time he's seen a significant drop polling wise. Maybe it's just that other candidates are gaining and Trump will still be on top - but with 20% instead of 30%. Or maybe we're about to see the end.

I still don't think he'll win one contest.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2015, 03:11:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=k2vmPSUBjTM

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 23, 2015, 03:16:13 PM

If you find yourself to the right of the pope, maybe Christianity isn't for you.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2015, 03:37:35 PM

If the Pope shouldn't lecture us on politics, maybe it's time for politicians to shut the fuck up about morality and religion.

:hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 23, 2015, 04:34:41 PM

Honestly, I thought it would be an anti-capitalistic rant rather than the climate change thing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2015, 04:46:11 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on September 23, 2015, 04:34:41 PM

Honestly, I thought it would be an anti-capitalistic rant rather than the climate change thing.

He's talking before Congress tomorrow, bet he goes in on income inequality then.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2015, 04:50:21 PM

There won't be a vacant fainting couch left in the place, nor a single pearl left unclutched.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 23, 2015, 05:02:34 PM

I mean how ugly can the Pope going to congress really get? 
I'm curious as to what we'll see and hear coming out of it, I fully expect Fox News to call down this catholic facist communist hellbent on spreading liberal misinformation about pseudoscience climate change, but the rest of the republicans? They won't actually act like insufferable children will they...?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

They prob will
 :larry

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 23, 2015, 05:17:33 PM

Catholics in the United States don't particularly give a shit about the pope, at least not enough to significantly affect their party allegiances; why would the moral majority evangelicals who run the GOPs religious wing be any different?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

There's an interesting discussion in here somewhere about the formation of American nationalism during the great awakenings and the framing of the papacy as an illiberal institution committed to foreign subterfuge but I don't know enough about it/couldn't find a way to shoehorn it in

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 23, 2015, 05:25:54 PM

The funny thing about all of this is that if you dropped Jesus in America right now, outside of telling Gentiles to fuck off he'd be...preaching against greed, serving the poor, taking care of each other, etc.
:heh

There couldn't be a better indicator of how effective the 1970s merging of conservatism and Evangelical fuckery has been. Abortion, Israel, and now gay marriage are the only issues of importance to these people.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 23, 2015, 05:45:43 PM

If you dropped Jesus into the US today we'd prob have half the country shook over the fact that he probably had some melanin in his skin.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 23, 2015, 05:48:49 PM

Jesus would be mobilizing the gender fluid vanguard party on the blogosphere. In the trenches shouting "Feel the Bern!" as he launches each buzz feed listicle like a grenade into the no man's land of Das kulturkriegen

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 23, 2015, 07:16:43 PM

http://imgur.com/a/ile5E

PD for you

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2015, 10:25:47 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/pope-francis-reverses-position-capitalism-after-se-51363

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: chronovore on September 24, 2015, 07:51:41 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2015, 03:37:35 PM

If the Pope shouldn't lecture us on politics, maybe it's time for politicians to shut the fuck up about morality and religion.

:hitler

 :o :o :o

:bow

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2015, 11:47:33 AM

Quote from: studyguy on September 23, 2015, 12:28:59 PM

It's an oxymoron, but it sounded good to McCarthy era communist witch hunters so it somehow survived into today. Honestly I wonder how long conservatives can keep pushing their communist red scare terminology when generations have grown where the issue is irrelevant unless they're drinking deep from that conservative tap.

Like after a certain age calling someone a communist seems like you'd get only one kind of reaction:
:idont

Typical communist excuse making.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2015, 11:49:24 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2015, 10:25:47 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/pope-francis-reverses-position-capitalism-after-se-51363

I hope he has a Kroger card and doesn't pay their "normal" prices.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2015, 01:33:59 PM

Pink / pinko was a sincerely used term (Nixon famously so in a state election). As far as I know, pinko commie has always been a term employed for outlandish caricature.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2015, 01:34:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 23, 2015, 02:19:39 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/646716373473853442

(http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/23/donald-trump-wants-the-fcc-to-fine-a-critical-fox-news-pundit/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/23/donald-trump-wants-the-fcc-to-fine-a-critical-fox-news-pundit/)

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Donald Trump is still refusing to appear on the Fox News Channel — but apparently his self-imposed boycott doesn't prohibit watching the channel's shows.

Trump exploded on Twitter on Wednesday night after National Review editor Rich Lowry appeared on Fox and used some rather, well, colorful language to describe exactly how Carly Fiorina bested Trump at last week's Republican presidential debate.

"Let's be honest: Carly cut his balls off with the precision of a surgeon — and he knows it," Lowry said on "The Kelly File."

Host Megyn Kelly was shocked. "You can't say that!" she said, before covering her eyes with a hand. "You can't say that."

Trump quickly exploded on Twitter and wrote in a tweet: "Incompetent @RichLowry lost it tonight on @FoxNews. He should not be allowed on TV and the FCC should fine him!"

And then: "@FoxNews owes me an apology for allowing clueless pundit @RichLowry to use such foul language on TV. Unheard of!"

...

"I love how Mr. Anti-PC now wants the FCC to fine me," Lowry tweeted, adding a hashtag: #pathetic. He then posed this question to Trump: "So it's OK for you to insult Carly's looks, but you can't handle me describing what happened to you in the debate?" Lowry then answered that question himself: "Man, you can dish it out but you REALLY, REALLY can't take it."

Lowry finally threw up a white flag and offered this tweeted compromise: "A deal for you, Donald: if you apologize to Carly for your boorish insult, I might stop noting how she cut your b**** off."

The Donald, meanwhile, plugged that he will appear on MSNBC and CNN first thing in the morning.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2015, 02:18:53 PM

:bow Big Government :bow2

:bow self-censoring the word "balls" :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on September 24, 2015, 02:21:20 PM

Government works when it's there to protect MY interests. :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 24, 2015, 02:25:21 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on September 24, 2015, 02:21:20 PM

Government works when it's there to protect MY interests. :bow2

Stamocap. :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2015, 05:53:18 PM

Quote

Donald Trump dodged divulging specifics of how he plans to deport the 11 million or so undocumented immigrants during a Thursday morning interview with Alisyn Camerota on CNN's "New Day."

Trump has been vocal that he plans to deport all undocumented immigrants from the country, but has yet to tell how he will go about it.

Camerota asked, "How would you specifically go about it?"

Trump then dodged the question.

"Through good management and through a process. And the process is the bad ones go and they never come back," Trump said. "They’re never coming back. The really good ones, and there are many, they will go and they will come back legally. They’ll come back on an expedited system."

She then asked if he would use the National Guard or police to enforce the policy.

"I would use different forms," Trump said. "It will take place and it will be done effectively and warmly and humanely. And a lot of people will be very happy about it. Did you know i had a good hispanic poll the other day?"

Trump then pivoted into talking about his poll numbers.

:bow the master :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 24, 2015, 06:04:30 PM

:ohhh That makes sense brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 24, 2015, 06:19:24 PM

http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2015/09/23/brody-file-video-exclusive-donald-trump-exclaims-god-is-the.aspx

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David Brody: “Who is God to you? What are some of your thoughts on this?  Clearly, you’re a smart man, you’re a smart businessman, you’ve contemplated this before or have you contemplate this?”

Donald Trump: “Well I say God is the ultimate. You know you look at this? Here we are on the Pacific Ocean. How did I ever own this? I bought it fifteen years ago.  I made one of the great deals they say ever. I have no more mortgage on it as I will certify and represent to you. And I was able to buy this and make a great deal.  That’s what I want to do for the country.  Make great deals.  We have to, we have to bring it back, but God is the ultimate. I mean God created this (points to his golf course and nature surrounding it), and here’s the Pacific Ocean right behind us. So nobody, no thing, no there’s nothing like God.”

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Watch out if he ever reads the darn thing: he'll be demanding to re-negotiate the covenants as a "bad deal."
Left by calling all toasters on Sep 23, 2015 12:33 PM

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Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2015, 01:34:43 AM

(http://www.investors.com/image/RAMclr-092515-accomplishment-IBD-COLOR-FINAL.jpg.cms)

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Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2015, 04:44:46 AM

(http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Bernie_Sanders_Difference_Socialist.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2015, 09:35:43 AM

Quote

Speaker John Boehner announced to House Republicans that he is retiring from Congress at the end of October, according to multiple sources in a closed party meeting.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2015, 10:52:28 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2015, 03:11:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=21&v=k2vmPSUBjTM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 23, 2015, 03:37:35 PM

If the Pope shouldn't lecture us on politics, maybe it's time for politicians to shut the fuck up about morality and religion.

:hitler

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qac9VrAstN0

Santorum agrees:

Quote

“The church has gotten it wrong a few times on science, and I think that we probably are better off leaving science to the scientists and focusing on what we're really good at, which is theology and morality,” Santorum said. "When we get involved with political and controversial scientific theories, I think the church is not as forceful and credible."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 25, 2015, 10:55:22 AM

Neither are most politicians
 :umad

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brob on September 25, 2015, 11:04:23 AM

francis studied chemistry before deciding he was too poor to get all the way thru such an education and went and did church shit instead. So he's prolly hella more knowledgable on the subject than than these easy-street business and/or law degree career politicians.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on September 25, 2015, 11:13:44 AM

So "I'm no scienticst, but..." is being dropped from the toolbox?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 25, 2015, 11:34:25 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 25, 2015, 09:35:43 AM

Quote

Speaker John Boehner announced to House Republicans that he is retiring from Congress at the end of October, according to multiple sources in a closed party meeting.

I would celebrate this, but I'm sure he's just goin to be replaced with someone worse

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 25, 2015, 11:44:45 AM

Rick "let's LARP Gilead y'all" Santorum trying to say religion shouldn't get involved in political policy making.  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 25, 2015, 01:39:44 PM

He said "we" when talking about theology and morality. Wow.

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on September 25, 2015, 11:34:25 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 25, 2015, 09:35:43 AM

Quote

Speaker John Boehner announced to House Republicans that he is retiring from Congress at the end of October, according to multiple sources in a closed party meeting.

I would celebrate this, but I'm sure he's just goin to be replaced with someone worse

It looks like pundits are assuming that that's why he resigned, so the party shifts focus from shutting down the government over Planned Parenthood to finding a new dude to run the House. Considering the next speaker might not last more than a year due to elections, it seems like what could happen in a year is less damaging to his party than an anti-woman government shutdown during election season.

I think part of the reason is that he also doesn't want to lead his party to doom in 2016.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2015, 03:57:18 PM

Jeb Bush: Clinton Was Lucky. My Brother Was Unlucky. Obama Makes Too Many Excuses. (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/09/jeb-clinton-was-lucky-my-brother-was-unlucky.html)

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Harwood also asks, “How does eliminating the estate tax help anybody's right to rise? That tax only applies to people who have made it big time — they've risen.” Bush’s reply is pretty amazing:

    Well, they're dead. If they've lived a good life, outside the money they've made, they're up in heaven looking down on us …

    What we've suggested is that a family asset doesn't get taken away. When someone does sell the asset — the next generation — they're paying on the full amount of the appreciation. That's the compromise position. And that allows for second-generation businesses to continue to flourish.  People have earned this through good fortune and a lot of hard work and taking risks. I don't think you should take that away from families.

:mindblown

He is literally running on his brother's exact platform.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 25, 2015, 04:19:43 PM

The estate tax is a tax on deferred income that's recognized due to involuntary conversion (death). :gaben

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 25, 2015, 04:22:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2015, 03:57:18 PM

Jeb Bush: Clinton Was Lucky. My Brother Was Unlucky. Obama Makes Too Many Excuses. (http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/09/jeb-clinton-was-lucky-my-brother-was-unlucky.html)

Quote

Harwood also asks, “How does eliminating the estate tax help anybody's right to rise? That tax only applies to people who have made it big time — they've risen.” Bush’s reply is pretty amazing:

    Well, they're dead. If they've lived a good life, outside the money they've made, they're up in heaven looking down on us …

    What we've suggested is that a family asset doesn't get taken away. When someone does sell the asset — the next generation — they're paying on the full amount of the appreciation. That's the compromise position. And that allows for second-generation businesses to continue to flourish.  People have earned this through good fortune and a lot of hard work and taking risks. I don't think you should take that away from families.

:mindblown

He is literally running on his brother's exact platform.

And is bombing super hard. :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 25, 2015, 04:48:43 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/25/politics/jeb-bush-free-stuff-black-voters/index.html

Quote

Jeb Bush told a South Carolina crowd Thursday that Democrats play to African-American voters by offering "free stuff," a similar comment to a contentious one that Mitt Romney made in the days after his 2012 loss to President Barack Obama.

"Our message is one of hope and aspiration. It isn't one of division and 'Get in line and we'll take care of you with free stuff,'" Bush said Thursday at an event in Mount Pleasant, South Carolina.

(http://feedyourfictionaddiction.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/183/2015/04/foot-in-mouth-o.gif)
#justJEB!things

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2015, 05:17:47 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/vGtjmJu.png)

Dat CNN quality.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 25, 2015, 06:51:24 PM

I know :piss Vice :piss2 but this is some work:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0i4tGBYFSw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wmdvo81IvlU

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2015, 06:58:04 PM

Obama had to catch himself. You could tell he was about to say "of course it is."
:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 25, 2015, 07:18:57 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us/john-boehner-to-resign-from-congress.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: helios on September 25, 2015, 08:25:27 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/93clliz.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 25, 2015, 08:27:03 PM

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on September 25, 2015, 08:32:48 PM

Maybe they're transblack, don't judge.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2015, 09:49:40 PM

Is that kool-aid on the table?
:leon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2015, 09:57:28 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPydItlUwAEJXeb.jpg)

#blackexcellence

:tocry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2015, 10:13:59 AM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/09/25/why-did-a-13-year-old-conservative-star-apparently-hoax-the-white-house/?tid=sm_fb

Holy shit :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 26, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

adolescent GOP punditry is pretty fascinating.  It's like all the douchiest and brain-dead aspects of the party amplified by 100 because teenagers are already worthless idiots from the word go. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2015, 07:13:00 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on September 26, 2015, 10:46:37 AM

adolescent GOP punditry is pretty fascinating.  It's like all the douchiest and brain-dead aspects of the party amplified by 100 because teenagers are already worthless idiots from the word go. 

Sometimes you almost can't see the strings.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on September 26, 2015, 08:05:48 PM

Why the hell is a 13 years old kid being made a political pundit darling in the first place ? It's actually way more disturbing than the '"issue" of his Twitter account being blocked (or not).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mupepe on September 26, 2015, 10:00:32 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 26, 2015, 08:05:48 PM

Why the hell is a 13 years old kid being made a political pundit darling in the first place ? It's actually way more disturbing than the '"issue" of his Twitter account being blocked (or not).

As the article also mentioned its been a trend with social media for the GOP. Some kid who is slightly well spoken stans for the party and conservatives rally behind them in a desperate attempt to not seem like the old white dude party. This kid just relished in it and seemed to want to escalate it at any cost.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mods Help on September 26, 2015, 10:08:39 PM

Figured a black person would throw Ahmed under the bus while praising cops. Black people are always the sheep you need them to be. Carson and that kid are great examples for pushing the conservative fabric further. :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2015, 10:21:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPrw0NYkMg
@JayDubya

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 26, 2015, 10:54:08 PM

MORE LIKE BILL NYE THE BABY MURDERING GUY

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2015, 11:28:25 PM

How much is Big Baby Parts paying you, Bill??

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 27, 2015, 03:49:22 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on September 27, 2015, 07:59:38 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2015, 10:21:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IPrw0NYkMg
@JayDubya

Seen it.  Uselessly stupid.

Like Carl Sagan making similar arguments, he's abandoning scientific fact in favor of pushing propaganda.

The only thing he says with any relevance in scientific fact is to point out that sometimes a blastocyst doesn't implant; all he does then is use that to facilitate a logical fallacy in which he suggests that a natural death for the unborn somehow would warrant criminal charges... when it doesn't for the born, and no one is pushing for any such thing.

A deliberate homicide is not the same as a natural death.

And there ends the pathetic argument this idiot is making.

Can't kill something that hasn't been born/legally doesn't exist. :P

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on September 27, 2015, 06:07:17 PM

Bill Nyehilated

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2015, 10:20:36 AM

Even Iran is trolling the GOP.

Quote

"Sometimes when I would have time, some of it was broadcast live and I would watch it -- some of it was quite laughable. It was very strange, the things that they spoke of," he said through an interpreter.

"Some of them wouldn't even know where Tehran was in relation to Iran. Some of them didn't know where Iran was geographically, not distinguishing that one is the capital of the other."

...

Can a government become a signatory to an international agreement and then the subsequent government tear it to shreds? This is something that only the likes of Saddam Hussein would do," he said.

"Saddam Hussein, previous to attacking Iran in 1980, did sign an agreement with Iran and then tore it to shreds himself and then attacked Iran."

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/27/world/rouhani-republicans-iran-amanpour/index.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 28, 2015, 10:41:42 AM

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2015, 02:52:15 PM

Fairly sure Rubio is gonna end up being the GOP nominee. Feel like he'll outlast the freak show candidates and Jeb!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on September 28, 2015, 03:13:01 PM

Rubio is part of the freakshow. There will be full scale revolt if Trump doesn't win the nom. Maybe even split the party in 2 :phil

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2015, 03:33:56 PM

I mean, they're all freakshow candidates, but I'm specifically talking about the Trump-Carson-Fiorina troika of people that haven't held elected office before. They're all in various stages of disqualifying themselves, and we're still over 3 months away from the first actual primary or caucus. Rubio is bland and overly cautious, and both of those traits will serve him well over the next 3 1/2 months or so as we make the long slog to Iowa and New Hampshire.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 28, 2015, 05:19:08 PM

Snore ain't wrong here, witness the eventual Romney nomination back in 2012.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: toku on September 28, 2015, 05:37:43 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/09/when-america-was-great-taxes-were-high-unions-were-strong-and-government-was-big/407284/#disqus_thread

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2015, 05:43:29 PM

Triumph is probably right but I'm moving my prediction from Walker to Cruz. Goldwater redux.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 28, 2015, 05:51:27 PM

Any eventual nominee will have taken enough hardline positions during the primary in order to win that they'll effectively be Goldwater redux, provided that the democratic nominee isn't a complete and bumbling moron.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Sausage on September 28, 2015, 06:14:46 PM

GOP is probably just gonna go with the boring option and choose Bush.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 28, 2015, 06:41:23 PM

Not buying that Bush can win this. I'm more apt to believe the establishment will rally to Rubio now, like Triumph said. I mean...

Quote

Jeb Bush is entering a critical phase of his Republican presidential campaign, with top donors warning that the former Florida governor needs to demonstrate growth in the polls over the next month or face serious defections among supporters.

The warnings, expressed by numerous senior GOP fund­raisers in recent days, come as Bush and an allied super PAC are in the early stages of an aggressive television ad campaign they say will help erase doubts about his viability.

But Bush continues to battle against a steady decline in the polls, sinking to fifth place at just 7 percent in a national NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday and similarly languishing in the early-voting states of Iowa and New Hampshire.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/its-make-or-break-time-for-jeb-bush/2015/09/27/73d5f6fa-63c0-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html

100mil and he's at 5-8% in polls lol. He'll be able to last due to money/name ID but I think Rubio will become the establishment guy, and Cruz will outlast the crazy people and become the HNIC (head nincompoop in charge).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: helios on September 28, 2015, 06:42:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTL_3WL5gfw

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 28, 2015, 06:46:42 PM

Cruz and Huckabee are too deep into the crazy pool to be much more than riding it for endorsements post elections.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2015, 07:16:50 PM

Cruz has done too much to piss of the GOP establishment to win the nomination and Jeb! is too busy self-annihilating. Fiorina/Trump/Carson aren't going to win anything. So, it's pretty much down to Rubio to save the party.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 28, 2015, 07:56:08 PM

I think for all three anti-establishment candidates (who hold the top three spots in polls) to all get knocked out completely from the race will cause such a huge shockwave that no one can really predict where their supporters will go.

I mean, Rubio/Cruz/Bush are basically going to be assumed to be Mexicans by the xenophobes supporting Trump and I feel like Carly Fiorina and to a lesser extent Ben Carson are kind of just flavor-of-the-week candidates that everyone will forget about in 6 months. There's no particular Republican agenda that Republican voters seem to be embracing so who can tell what they want?

Of the 50% of registered Republicans that want to vote for one of those three, you'd probably have to look at their third or fourth choices before they'd vote for one of the ones who held political office. I feel like I can predict that the election will get much, much uglier though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2015, 08:16:28 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 28, 2015, 07:56:08 PM

I feel like I can predict that the election will get much, much uglier though.

That seems very likely to me, especially once the outliers finally fall away for good and the primary begins to crystallize around 5-6 candidates leading up to the first state primary. Lots of very ugly TV advertisements, for sure.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 28, 2015, 09:24:00 PM

No I mean later towards super Tuesday and beyond when Republicans start to see that they'll lose again. It's obvious that the segment of the population that is 100% lifelong Republican is very angry right now because they aren't in charge and haven't been in 8 years despite trying twice in a row to beat Obama with a moderate career politician. You can bet everyone will blame everyone else in the last few months before the general election.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2015, 01:42:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlLLzw5_KM

PP hearing is already off to a good start. :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2015, 02:19:02 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on September 29, 2015, 02:06:22 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2015, 01:42:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlLLzw5_KM

PP hearing is already off to a good start. :heh

Oh, the hearing where she just admitted that 86% of their revenue is from their abortions?

And that their discredited "oh, it's only 3% of what we do" bullshit is predicated on lies based on services they can't actually provide because they require equipment they don't actually have?

Cause yeah, it sounds like it's off to a good start.

(http://i.imgur.com/SGAyfHx.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 29, 2015, 03:07:42 PM

wait this guy was elected?  How the fuck can anyone be so dumb as to use a chart like this

http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/lcvltctjfgcbhnb7sqyg.jpg

Might as well get your facts off of facebook. 


Better view.  http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/congressman-chaffetz-misleading-graph-smear-planned-parenthood

Like using a graph like this would be grounds for failing high school physics. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on September 29, 2015, 03:53:38 PM

Even a car salesman wouldn't do anything that brash.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 29, 2015, 04:13:46 PM

(http://images.mentalfloss.com/sites/default/files/styles/insert_main_wide_image/public/676xkcdgrapefruit.png)

 :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2015, 04:16:33 PM

Grapefruit haters :ufup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2015, 04:40:09 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on September 29, 2015, 02:06:22 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2015, 01:42:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlLLzw5_KM

PP hearing is already off to a good start. :heh

Oh, the hearing where she just admitted that 86% of their revenue is from their abortions?

And that their discredited "oh, it's only 3% of what we do" bullshit is predicated on lies based on services they can't actually provide because they require equipment they don't actually have?

Graphs how do they work.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2015, 05:06:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2015, 04:16:33 PM

Grapefruit haters :ufup

Growing up with a grapefruit tree. :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2015, 05:12:08 PM

The perfect alibi for sticky fingers. :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 29, 2015, 06:17:09 PM

??? As a cac I was taught to eat grapefruit with a spoon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 29, 2015, 06:18:04 PM

Grapefruit is only good accompanying something.
Straight up there are better fruit. These are facts.

Also grapefruits are just a tool for the man to keep you down. (http://www.cnbc.com/2015/08/27/how-grapefruit-juice-helps-pols-reach-the-right-voters.html)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2015, 06:25:51 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on September 29, 2015, 06:17:09 PM

??? As a cac I was taught to eat grapefruit with a spoon

A special spoon that you can't really use for much else, either. The perfect cactivity.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2015, 06:33:47 PM

I didn't know about eating grapefruit with spoons until I saw someone do it in a movie. This is how culturally biased SAT questions are created.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 29, 2015, 06:41:36 PM

My uncle used to have grapefruit trees, I just ate those motherfuckers straight up. People ate them with spoons? Why? Would you eat an orange with a spoon?


Actually just googled it.
Is that really how it comes out? What the fuuuuuck?
(http://fatpiginthemarket.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/grapefruit-segment-in-spoon-cropped.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 29, 2015, 06:56:39 PM

:lawd yessss

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 29, 2015, 07:25:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2015, 06:33:47 PM

I didn't know about eating grapefruit with spoons until I saw someone do it in a movie. This is how culturally biased SAT questions are created.

"If Jim and Joanne are both spooning their grapefruits at a rate of 3 spoons per minute..."  welp guess I'm not going to college. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2015, 07:27:44 PM

:mouf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 29, 2015, 07:42:31 PM

"If Joanne has Jim blind folded and is grapefruiting him wowqshwhshwhoshqch..."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 29, 2015, 07:43:53 PM

I could've been fucking grapefruit :goty

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 29, 2015, 08:13:08 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on September 29, 2015, 07:43:53 PM

I could've been fucking grapefruit :goty

Speaking of fucking grapefruits...   :phil

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdHZ5hp45Fc
 :what to  :holeup @2:50

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 29, 2015, 08:14:56 PM

 :beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 29, 2015, 08:17:02 PM

To bring everything full circle...

Quote from: Donald Trump

"Your grapefruits are no match for my Trump towers."

Trump said this to World Wrestling Entertainment CEO Vince McMahon during a 2007 stunt "Battle of the Billionaires" between the two men, where they hired wrestlers to fight for each other.

 :yeshrug

Planned Parenthood already won out over Utah in the courts it seems. (http://www.sltrib.com/news/3005371-155/judge-sides-with-planned-parenthood-in) Another W after taking republicans to task earlier today.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on September 29, 2015, 08:49:55 PM

I like the sad skulking right to life guy in the blurry background. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 29, 2015, 08:51:07 PM

if you can't run on ideas run on indignation.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 29, 2015, 09:12:21 PM

I really enjoy eating grapefruit, drinking grapefruit juice, and even reading Yoko Ono's conceptual art book.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 29, 2015, 09:12:21 PM

I really enjoy eating grapefruit, drinking grapefruit juice, and even reading Yoko Ono's conceptual art book.

If you're also a pansexual this would read like the type of women OkCupid matches me with.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 29, 2015, 09:19:35 PM

In a New Model setting I can't really be a pansexual nor can I not be a pansexual.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2015, 09:33:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 29, 2015, 09:12:21 PM

I really enjoy eating grapefruit, drinking grapefruit juice, and even reading Yoko Ono's conceptual art book.

If you're also a pansexual this would read like the type of women OkCupid matches me with.

Breh me too

:stahp

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2015, 10:23:09 PM

Looks like Pataki found his wedge issue, brehs

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/george-pataki-twitter-edward-snowden

Look for a corresponding bump in the polls soon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2015, 11:32:35 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 29, 2015, 09:19:35 PM

In a New Model setting I can't really be a pansexual nor can I not be a pansexual.

You can still be pan pizza sexual.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 10:53:22 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 29, 2015, 09:12:21 PM

I really enjoy eating grapefruit, drinking grapefruit juice, and even reading Yoko Ono's conceptual art book.

If you're also a pansexual this would read like the type of women OkCupid matches me with.

My cousin posted a FB video where she came out as a pansexual.  It was 15 minutes long... and fucking weird.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on September 30, 2015, 11:35:10 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 10:53:22 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 29, 2015, 09:14:30 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 29, 2015, 09:12:21 PM

I really enjoy eating grapefruit, drinking grapefruit juice, and even reading Yoko Ono's conceptual art book.

If you're also a pansexual this would read like the type of women OkCupid matches me with.

My cousin posted a FB video where she came out as a pansexual.  It was 15 minutes long... and fucking weird.

Didn't think FB's TOS would allow vids like that :phil

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 30, 2015, 11:36:16 AM

What did she talk about for 15 U.S. minutes? ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 12:42:16 PM

I am a pansexual
What is a pansexual
I am still committed to my husband
I decided to make this video because
I am not a sexual deviant

That was basically it I think.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2015, 12:53:25 PM

Is she hot?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 30, 2015, 01:00:54 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 12:42:16 PM

I am a pansexual
What is a pansexual
I am still committed to my husband
I decided to make this video because
I am not a sexual deviant

That was basically it I think.

 :lucas
Grandma liked this

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 30, 2015, 01:01:04 PM

I don't think I quite understand the drive to come out as pansexual if you're in a committed monogamous relationship. I suppose it might be about wanting to cultivate awareness and understanding in order to benefit those like you?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 01:07:07 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2015, 12:53:25 PM

Is she hot?

Let's just say I wish she was into incest instead.

Quote from: studyguy on September 30, 2015, 01:00:54 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 12:42:16 PM

I am a pansexual
What is a pansexual
I am still committed to my husband
I decided to make this video because
I am not a sexual deviant

That was basically it I think.

 :lucas
Grandma liked this

My grandma doesn't speak English so she posted a comment that said "I didn't understand what you were saying but you looked very sad. Can you please explain? I love you"   haha

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on September 30, 2015, 01:01:04 PM

I don't think I quite understand the drive to come out as pansexual if you're in a committed monogamous relationship. I suppose it might be about wanting to cultivate awareness and understanding in order to benefit those like you?

Attention I assume. It was right after the SCOTUS decision on gay marriage.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 30, 2015, 01:09:57 PM

I don't care for pan pizza but I do enjoy pan pipe MIDI keyboard presets

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 30, 2015, 01:13:01 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 01:07:07 PM

My grandma doesn't speak English so she posted a comment that said "I didn't understand what you were saying but you looked very sad. Can you please explain? I love you"   haha

All my old ass uncles and aunts are on facebook/instagram now. I could be posting a picture of myself with a hangover looking like I got punched in the face at 3AM and still only get love from them telling me I'm handsome   :-[

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 30, 2015, 01:17:16 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html
Kim Davis, Kentucky County Clerk, Met Pope Francis

 :noooo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on September 30, 2015, 01:26:12 PM

The Pope is still the Pope, uh-oh.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 30, 2015, 01:59:59 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 30, 2015, 12:42:16 PM

I am a pansexual
What is a pansexual
I am still committed to my husband
I decided to make this video because
I am not a sexual deviant

That was basically it I think.

It must be nice to not be a sexual deviant. :fbm *watches missionary amateur pornography*

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 30, 2015, 02:02:12 PM

I have French and Spanish in my autofill along with English (call me Señor ALÉNA) and all the suggestions for pornography in my preceeding post were French. Maybe I should stop sexting Montréal...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2015, 02:19:51 PM

c'est la vie, n'est-ce pas?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on September 30, 2015, 02:22:03 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 30, 2015, 02:02:12 PM

I have French and Spanish in my autofill along with English (call me Señor ALÉNA) and all the suggestions for pornography in my preceeding post were French. Maybe I should stop sexting Montréal...

I have Spanish in my autocorrect list.
For whatever reason Spanish autocorrect always occurs before English autocorrects. Even in software those damn immigrants are taking over!
 :oreilly

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 30, 2015, 02:31:46 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2015, 02:19:51 PM

c'est la vie, n'est-ce pas?

L'enfer, c'est les autres (langues).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2015, 02:44:55 PM

Quote from: Kara on September 30, 2015, 02:31:46 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2015, 02:19:51 PM

c'est la vie, n'est-ce pas?

L'enfer, c'est les autres (langues).

Eh bien, continuons

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 30, 2015, 03:35:04 PM

oops

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on September 30, 2015, 03:59:36 PM

This may have been posted while I was away, but it's a pretty funny read:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/26/1425070/-The-Dark-Truth-Of-John-Boehner-s-Resignation (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/09/26/1425070/-The-Dark-Truth-Of-John-Boehner-s-Resignation)

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Think about that: after total legislative obstruction, a government shut-down, more than 50 votes to repeal Obamacare, an ensuing presidential election, two Supreme Court lawsuits, and other pending litigation - - Republicans are livid with the belief that John Boehner has worked with the President to strengthen Obamacare.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2015, 05:21:40 PM

Quote

Real estate mogul Donald Trump continued to lead the Republican presidential field after a dismal performance at the second debate and lagging approval ratings in the Suffolk University/USA Today poll released Wednesday.

Trump led the field at 23 percent of likely voters expecting to vote in the GOP primaries nationwide while retired neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson and former technology CEO Carly Fiorina were tied at 13 percent. No establishment candidates cracked double digits, but Florida Sen. Marco Rubio came close at 9 percent.

CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on September 30, 2015, 05:23:17 PM

Quote

It sounds crazy, I know, but this represents the true "dark side" of Boehner's resignation: it is another significant step in the Republican party's shocking withdrawal from our system of democratic governance.  Specifically, it presages a doubling-down of the Republicans' intentions to assert "negative control," where government shutdowns, hostage-taking, and (the immensely dangerous) debt-ceiling fights threaten to become more determinative than electoral outcomes and a functioning government.

They did this in California for something like 15+ years, it's not some strange turn of events. We used to need 2/3 to pass a budget, not just to raise taxes!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2015, 09:26:38 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2015, 05:21:40 PM

Quote

Real estate mogul Donald Trump continued to lead the Republican presidential field after a dismal performance at the second debate and lagging approval ratings in the Suffolk University/USA Today poll released Wednesday.

Trump led the field at 23 percent of likely voters expecting to vote in the GOP primaries nationwide while retired neurosurgeon Dr. Ben Carson and former technology CEO Carly Fiorina were tied at 13 percent. No establishment candidates cracked double digits, but Florida Sen. Marco Rubio came close at 9 percent.

CAN'T STUMP THE TRUMP

(http://i.imgur.com/MmX9vUR.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 01, 2015, 12:59:14 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/10/01/donald-trump-says-hed-send-back-syrian-refugees-taken-in-by-us/

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"I'm putting the people on notice that are coming here from Syria as part of this mass migration," Trump said during an evening rally in Keene, New Hampshire. "If I win, they're going back."

This is going out to all those ISIS insurgents coming in under the guise of being a war torn orphan leeching off the teat of freedom. Your time will come.
 :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 01, 2015, 01:04:29 PM

How does Trump plan to send refugees back to a war torn country?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2015, 01:06:13 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 01, 2015, 01:04:29 PM

How does Trump plan to send refugees back to a war torn country?

Very classily.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 01, 2015, 01:18:59 PM

He'll use a process, and manage it well

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2015, 03:09:16 PM

Why not send them to the Koprulu Sector.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 01, 2015, 03:30:54 PM

It'll be interesting if anyone actually tries to argue about how incredibly dumb his assumption is.* Terrorists that take their families like it's the starship Enterprise.

*Of course only after he brings it up several times to stir his racist base. Candidates can't take the risk of seeming pro-brown people.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 01, 2015, 06:34:44 PM

JEB! a redskins fan or something? (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2574267-jeb-bush-says-he-doesnt-find-washington-redskins-nickname-offensive)

Quote

"I don't think [the team] should change it," Bush told ESPN's Andy Katz and ABC's Rick Klein, according to a press release announcing their new SiriusXM show, The Arena. "But again, I don't think politicians ought to have any say in that to be honest with you. I don't find it offensive. Native American tribes generally don't find it offensive. We had a similar kind of flap with FSU if you recall, the Seminoles, and the Seminole tribe itself kind of came to the defense of the university and it subsided."

"It's a sport for crying out loud," he continued. "It's a football team. Washington has a huge fanbase. … I'm missing something here I guess."

Why even comment on this? Going to bat over the Redskins name is just asking to take an L for no reason. 
 :mindblown

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 01, 2015, 06:56:45 PM

Jeb's from the south. He knows a good dog whistle when he sees one.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 02, 2015, 03:26:16 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-jeb-falls-4_1039884.html (http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/poll-jeb-falls-4_1039884.html)

Jeb! 4%  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2015, 04:18:54 PM

https://twitter.com/Bencjacobs/status/650040425340870656

this fucking guy  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2015, 04:37:10 PM

No way is the establishment going to rally around Jeb! with the way things are going.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 02, 2015, 05:18:39 PM

It's looking like this may be his "oops" moment that sinks his campaign for good.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 02, 2015, 05:20:14 PM

Everyone loves an underdog. This is just the party elites framing a new narrative.

All aboard!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2015, 05:26:27 PM

GWB kept us safe, but, ya know, stuff happens.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on October 02, 2015, 05:30:12 PM

Jeb! is so done, and to think it was believed he was the guy a few months ago. :doge Too bad Hillary(!) doesn't have more challengers.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 02, 2015, 05:36:22 PM

Yup, my Rubio prediction looking better and better by the day.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 02, 2015, 05:36:36 PM

All we need is is PD to come in and deliver the kiss of death by saying he thinks Jeb is going to be the nominee. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 02, 2015, 05:40:32 PM

I think PD already moved on to Rubio.

Jeb seems to be doing an adequate job of running into grenades all on his own though judging by the shit coming out of his mouth almost daily now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2015, 09:12:56 PM

For the record I'm on the Cruz missile now.
 :letsfukk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 02, 2015, 09:29:34 PM

I have a feeling a lot of "stuff" is going to happen to Jeb!'s chances

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 09:42:19 PM

That whole Pew poll: http://www.people-press.org/2015/10/02/contrasting-partisan-perspectives-on-campaign-2016/

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-10-59-15-AM.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-10-59-55-AM.png)

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-10-54-32-AM.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-11-00-21-AM.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-11-01-19-AM.png)

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015_reps.png)
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-10-57-44-AM.png)

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-10-59-26-AM.png)(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/10/10-2-2015-11-00-09-AM.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 09:50:41 PM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/lessig-lawrence-democrats-debate-2016-213215

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I'm running for President. Or trying. After raising $1 million in less than 30 days, I entered the primary on September 9 as the Democrat’s only non-politician. My platform is simple: end the corrupting influence of money in Washington, so we might finally have, as Buddy Roemer would put it, a Congress free to lead.

But that message is being stifled with the tacit approval of the Democratic Party leadership, who are deploying the oldest method available for marginalizing campaigns they don’t like: keeping me out of the Democratic presidential debates.

Here’s how you make the debates: After one declares, a candidate is formally welcomed into the race by the Democratic National Committee. Polling firms, taking a cue from the DNC, include that candidate on their questionnaires. Candidates that poll at 1 percent nationally in at least three separate polls earn an invitation. Simple enough.

That’s how the process typically works for other candidacies—but not for mine. The DNC still has not formally welcomed me into the race—despite my raising money at a faster pace than more than half the pack, and being in the race nearly a full month. Polls, in turn, have taken the hint, only including me sporadically on questionnaires: of the last 10 major polls, only three mentioned my candidacy. One poll recently put me at 1 percent (for comparison, candidates O’Malley, Webb and Chafee, who will each get a podium at the debates, are all currently polling at 0.7 percent or less, according to Real Clear Politcs). Were I actually included on every poll, I would easily make the debates.

The Democratic Party could fix this by welcoming me into the race. Yet when I tried to talk about this with the chair of the Democratic Party, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, she scheduled a call, but then cancelled it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 02, 2015, 09:52:06 PM

Interesting that Rubio and Fiorina are tied and have the same demographics except for wealth. When one drops out, I wonder where those voters will go.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 09:58:22 PM

The Carly/Cruz flip between $75,000+ and $40,000-75,000 caught my eye.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2015, 10:03:08 PM

Wouldn't read too much into those cross-tabs.  Fiorina and Rubio would've had about 40 people each pick them in this poll.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 10:03:37 PM

Quote

CNBC has announced the polling qualifications for the Republican primary debate it will host on October 28 in Colorado, and the network’s criteria could leave Rand Paul listening to the sound of his own voice during the “undercard” portion of the evening’s events.

Candidates will have to reach an average of 3 per cent support in polls released between Sept. 17 and Oct. 21 in order to qualify for the main event at 8:00 p.m. A 2.5 per cent average will be rounded up to 3, CNBC said Wednesday.

Those with at least 1 per cent will be invited to an earlier debate at 6:00 p.m.

The rules leave open the possibility that Paul, a Senator from Kentucky, could be alone on stage for what columnists have taken to calling the ‘kids table’ portion of the evening.

Paul is the only candidate averaging between 1 and 2.5 per cent in the six national polls released since Sept. 17, according to a running total maintained by Real Clear Politics.

His average sits at 2.3 per cent as of Wednesday afternoon.

:dead :dead :dead :dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:paul

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2015, 10:06:30 PM

He'd just talk about drone strikes for 8 hours or whatever.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2015, 10:21:38 PM

Tiered debates? Seriously?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2015, 10:21:57 PM

The way Paul trolls Trump and Christie during debates is worth it
:lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 10:38:44 PM

This was my favorite part of the debate, it was in response to:

Quote

TAPPER: Mrs. Fiorina, I want to start with you. Fellow Republican candidate, and Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal, has suggested that your party's frontrunner, Mr. Donald Trump, would be dangerous as President. He said he wouldn't want, quote, "such a hot head with his finger on the nuclear codes."
 
You, as well, have raised concerns about Mr. Trump's temperament.
 
You've dismissed him as an entertainer. Would you feel comfortable with Donald Trump's finger on the nuclear codes?

FIORINA: You know, I think Mr. Trump is a wonderful entertainer. He's been terrific at that business.
 
I also think that one of the benefits of a presidential campaign is the character and capability, judgment and temperament of every single one of us is revealed over time and under pressure. All of us will be revealed over time and under pressure. I look forward to a long race.
 
TAPPER: You didn't answer my question. Would you feel comfortable with Donald Trump's finger on the nuclear codes? It's an issue that one of your fellow candidates has raised.
 
FIORINA: That's not for me to answer; it is for the voters of this country to answer, and I have a lot of faith in the common sense and good judgment of the voters of the United States of America.
 
TAPPER: Mr. Trump?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMSN7X16pck

trump so shook

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 10:57:27 PM

http://www.capitalnewyork.com/article/florida/2015/10/8578511/libertarian-party-drama-goat-sacrifice-eugenics-and-chairs-resignati

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Adrian Wyllie, chairman of Florida’s Libertarian Party, resigned his post Thursday to protest the party’s U.S. Senate candidate, accusing the rival of supporting eugenics and for being expelled from a cult group for “sadistically dismembering a goat in a ritualistic sacrifice.”

The Senate candidate, who goes by the adopted name Augustus Sol Invictus, counter-accused Wyllie of spreading “half-truths and lies” for political gain.

The dispute between the two has brewed for months, but finally came to a head after Wyllie was unable to persuade the Libertarian Party of Florida’s executive committee to publicly disavow Invictus, an adopted name that means something like “Invincible Sun Emperor.”

“I’m not making this up. It’s crazy, I know,” Wyllie, a Palm Harbor businessman who ran for governor in 2014 and received 3.8 percent of the vote, told POLITICO after announcing his resignation and levelling his accusations against Invictus in a Facebook post. “I resigned to draw attention to this, as a protest. I did this as a pre-emptive strike. I don’t want anyone to think this guy represents Libertarians. He doesn’t. Under the law, we can’t keep him from the ballot.”

...

Invictus, 32, is an adherent of a religion called Thelema, established in the early 1900s by occultist Aleister Crowley. Invictus was expelled from the religion’s fraternal organization, Ordo Templi Orientis, but denies Wyllie’s specific claim about dismembering a goat.

“I have never dismembered a goat in my life. I have performed animal sacrifices as part of my religion,” Invictus said. “I was expelled from the order for political reasons. And animal sacrifice was part of it. But that is a deliberate misrepresentation by Wyllie.”

I'm not a witch. I'm you.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 02, 2015, 11:03:06 PM

When did TVC move to Florida?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2015, 11:26:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eyz4Tpo524

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2015, 06:13:44 PM

(http://www.investors.com/image/WEBprez100515.gif.cms)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Oblivion on October 03, 2015, 06:31:19 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on September 29, 2015, 02:06:22 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2015, 01:42:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGlLLzw5_KM

PP hearing is already off to a good start. :heh

Oh, the hearing where she just admitted that 86% of their revenue is from their abortions?

And that their discredited "oh, it's only 3% of what we do" bullshit is predicated on lies based on services they can't actually provide because they require equipment they don't actually have?

Cause yeah, it sounds like it's off to a good start.

It's 86% of their non-government funded revenue. That's kind of an important detail.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2015, 07:26:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1yIJtSDufk

this guy convinced people to give him his PAC 100 million dollars.
:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Syph on October 03, 2015, 08:46:22 PM

Rubio 2016 baby
slap Fiorina on that ticket and it could be a force even if Hillary gets the nom

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2015, 09:21:03 PM

Quote from: http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/illegal-immigrants-could-elect-hillary-clinton-213216

Illegal Immigrants Could Elect Hillary
How noncitizens decrease Republican chances of winning the White House next year.

Illegal immigrants—along with other noncitizens without the right to vote—may pick the 2016 presidential winner. Thanks to the unique math undergirding the Electoral College, the mere presence of 11-12 million illegal immigrants and other noncitizens here legally may enable them to swing the election from Republicans to Democrats

...

This is why counting illegal immigrants and noncitizens significantly reduces the chances of the GOP winning the presidency. Given Obama’s winning margins last time in Florida, Ohio and Virginia, a GOP path to winning 27 states is credible at this point in the presidential cycle. But due to the Electoral College math, this only gives Republican’s 266 electoral votes, not 270.

We understand counting illegal immigrants and noncitizens in the census. Accurate population counts are essential to sound decision-making. Census numbers are used to allocate governmental resources. But we fail to find any persuasive reason to allow the presence of illegal immigrants, unlawfully in the country, or noncitizens generally, to play such a potentially crucial role in picking a President. Choosing a nation’s leader should be a privilege reserved for her citizens.

...

If the United States elected its chief executive as it is done in Mexico—direct election by those citizens eligible to vote—then the inclusion of noncitizens in the census wouldn’t result in any impact on the presidential winner. In Mexico, a U.S. non-citizen illegally or legally in the country isn’t counted in the presidential election math. Any other result would create an uproar among Mexican citizens. And rightly so. If counting illegal immigrants and noncitizens in the Electoral College decides the presidency next year here in America, there would rightly be an uproar on this side of the border as well.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2015, 09:27:48 PM

lol politico

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2015, 09:55:21 PM

Quote

If the United States elected its chief executive as it is done in Mexico—direct election by those citizens eligible to vote—then the inclusion of noncitizens in the census wouldn’t result in any impact on the presidential winner.

you mean, like the United States currently does already?
:neogaf

annihilate your own article in your last paragraph brehs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2015, 10:04:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2015, 09:55:21 PM

Quote

If the United States elected its chief executive as it is done in Mexico—direct election by those citizens eligible to vote—then the inclusion of noncitizens in the census wouldn’t result in any impact on the presidential winner.

you mean, like the United States currently does already?
:neogaf

annihilate your own article in your last paragraph brehs

I assume they're talking about having a popular vote instead of electoral college, but I have yet to see any evidence that would help the GOP win in 2016.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2015, 10:05:54 PM

Oh, they want the system democrats have won in five of the last six elections.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Syph on October 03, 2015, 11:15:33 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2015, 10:04:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2015, 09:55:21 PM

Quote

If the United States elected its chief executive as it is done in Mexico—direct election by those citizens eligible to vote—then the inclusion of noncitizens in the census wouldn’t result in any impact on the presidential winner.

you mean, like the United States currently does already?
:neogaf

annihilate your own article in your last paragraph brehs

I assume they're talking about having a popular vote instead of electoral college, but I have yet to see any evidence that would help the GOP win in 2016.

Hillary's potential downfall should be evidence enough

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I still think she'll beat Bernie in the end though

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2015, 11:20:49 PM

From Allen West's Associate Editor (?):
http://www.allenbwest.com/2015/10/yikes-this-group-could-get-hillary-clinton-elected-in-2016/

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Yikes: This group could get Hillary Clinton ELECTED in 2016

We’ve written frequently here about the tragedies perpetrated against our citizens by immigrants in our country illegally. Now, political analysts warn us of how the large population of illegal aliens — an estimated 11 million — may effect a travesty in our electoral process.

A new analysis published in Politico Magazine, by Washington Post columnist Paul Goldman and George Mason University dean Mark Rozell, suggests illegal aliens and other non-citizen residents may assist the Democrat nominee for president in getting elected.

But it’s not by voting illegally — another valid concern, especially in states like mine (Minnesota) with lax voter identification requirements. Rather, Goldman and Rozell make the case that illegal aliens could effect their impact through our Electoral College — indirectly skewing it in favor of Democrats.

Anyone else see the double absurdity of folks who are breaking the law by being here helping to elect a criminal?

Scary to think that our election of President of the United States may be impacted by the massive group of folks here illegally. No wonder the Democrats are so keen to welcome more of them.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 03, 2015, 11:43:11 PM

Hillary Clinton is the next President of the United States.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 04, 2015, 12:38:19 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 03, 2015, 11:43:11 PM

Hillary Clinton is the next President of the United States of Aztlán.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2015, 12:39:52 AM

I'm not so sure anymore bros.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 04, 2015, 12:48:17 AM

if my guy losses it was because of illegal latinos 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

damn cubans

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2015, 01:53:12 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2015, 12:39:52 AM

I'm not so sure anymore bros.

The GOP primary is pure poison, man, outside of some economic catastrophe I just don't see how anyone who makes it out of that could possibly win in the general.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2015, 08:58:13 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQeJ6QwWIAAEf3n.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2015, 12:56:41 PM

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/03/world/europe/pope-francis-kim-davis-meeting.html

Earlier on Friday, the Vatican said that Archbishop Viganò had arranged the pope’s meetings in Washington, including the one with Ms. Davis.

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But if Archbishop Viganò is held responsible for what is seen as a grave misstep on an important papal trip, he is likely to be removed at the first respectable opportunity, according to several church analysts.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2015, 09:06:49 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottyLiterati/status/650787540606263296

:dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2015, 10:25:01 AM

Just in case anybody thought the Jeb! still had a shot:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-goerge-w-bush-campaign-trail

Jeb Bush's campaign is considering giving former President George W. Bush a bigger role on the trail in South Carolina as the campaign looks to give the former Florida governor a boost in the key primary state of South Carolina, the New York Times reported on Sunday.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2015, 11:40:27 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2015, 09:06:49 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottyLiterati/status/650787540606263296

:dead :dead :dead

(http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/30159867/images/1392103641764.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2015, 01:59:19 PM

BENJI EXPLAIN

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/ct-senate-candidate-drank-goats-blood-20151005-story.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 05, 2015, 02:15:03 PM

Quote

"I did sacrifice a goat. I know that's probably a quibble in the mind of most Americans," he said. "I sacrificed an animal to the god of the wilderness. ... Yes, I drank the goat's blood."

He admits he's been investigated by the FBI, the U.S. Marshals and other law enforcement. He is confident they're still watching him, in part for a series of YouTube videos and other writings in which he discusses government. He renounced his citizenship in one paper, and in another he prophesied a great war, saying he would wander into the wilderness and return bearing revolution.

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AUGUSTUS SOL INVICTUS
Invictus, a 32-year-old lawyer who changed his given name — which he declines to reveal — to a Latin phrase that means "majestic unconquered sun"

Quibbles brehs.
 :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 05, 2015, 04:19:19 PM

I mean whatever, people kill goats and consume parts of them all the time.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 05, 2015, 05:02:02 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2015, 01:59:19 PM

BENJI EXPLAIN

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/ct-senate-candidate-drank-goats-blood-20151005-story.html

Florida Man gone Super Saiyan

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2015, 07:17:00 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2015, 01:59:19 PM

BENJI EXPLAIN

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/ct-senate-candidate-drank-goats-blood-20151005-story.html

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39503.msg2089101#msg2089101

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39503.msg2040630#msg2040630

http://www.imperiumlex.com/about/
(http://www.imperiumlex.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/ASI.jpg)

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Witness ye the glory of my life at 29 years of age: I have four children, each of whom should be the envy of every parent in the world; I have attained a Baccalaureate Degree in Philosophy with honors; I have attained a Doctorate in Law, cum laude; I have acquired licenses in the profession of law in the States of New York, Illinois, and Florida; I am scheduled to acquire two more such licenses in North Carolina & Massachusetts; I am Editor-in-Chief of a poetry journal; I run an independent publishing company; I have opened my own law office in downtown Orlando; I am an MBA candidate; and I have accomplished a few other things that will remain off the record for now.

I am of genius intellect & cultured, well-educated & creative, well-mannered & refined. I am God’s gift to humankind where the English language is concerned, and I also happen to have a basic knowledge of Latin, Greek, French, Spanish, and Italian. I am musical & artistic; I am athletic & possessed of militant self-discipline; and I am many other things. I have a Cadillac & a poodle, multiple computers & a personal library; I live in an apartment downtown, right across the street from the courthouse; I have been to Paris & Vancouver, to Cairo & Dubrovnik, to Mexico City & Siracusa. I dress better than all of you, pronounce my words perfectly, and have a winning, professional handshake. I am everything you ever wanted to be.

I challenge any of you, then, to accuse me of being a failure in this artificial civilization of yours. For it is beyond dispute that I have played your petty game, and I have won.

But your game no longer holds any interest for me. Your architecture is vapid & worthless, as is your decadent culture, the mindless drivel you call music, the filth you call democracy. You waste your lives watching pure excrement on television, shopping at the strip malls, planning your vacations to resorts & theme parks. The Internet, with its infinitude of information, is used for reading celebrity gossip & watching sitcoms. You have begun to reduce argument to memes & human communication to trite sound bites. Life has become trivial – and if you cannot feel the human spirit decaying, you are already dead.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2015, 07:24:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vmn9asN-8AE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on October 05, 2015, 09:11:31 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/05/politics/donald-trump-marco-rubio-care-package/index.html

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151005173942-trump-rubio-prank-water-medium-plus-169.jpg)

Only Drinky Crow ever matched Trump's capacity to troll :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2015, 09:32:50 PM

Maybe Drinky Crow is Donald Trump. :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 05, 2015, 09:55:44 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2015, 09:32:50 PM

Maybe Drinky Crow is Donald Trump. :ohhh

:ohhh :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 05, 2015, 11:27:02 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/rbz2kj9l.png)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/carly-fiorina-medieval-history-degree-helps-defeat-isis/story?id=34256597

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on October 05, 2015, 11:30:08 PM

So she's going to raise an army of mongolian horse archers. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 05, 2015, 11:46:58 PM

Quote from: Rufus on October 05, 2015, 11:30:08 PM

So she's going to raise an army of mongolian horse archers. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.

They only beat the Abbasids. :ufup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2015, 11:51:28 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 05, 2015, 11:27:02 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/rbz2kj9l.png)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/carly-fiorina-medieval-history-degree-helps-defeat-isis/story?id=34256597

Oh yeah? Well, I have a history degree AND decades of Civilization experience, and probably weeks of Paradox games experience. And then there's the Total War games!

First question: Have we built a granary yet? We'll need the 40% food bonus.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on October 05, 2015, 11:54:10 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 05, 2015, 11:46:58 PM

Quote from: Rufus on October 05, 2015, 11:30:08 PM

So she's going to raise an army of mongolian horse archers. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.

They only beat the Abbasids. :ufup

By taking Baghdad, close enough. :yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 05, 2015, 11:54:32 PM

Augustus Sol Invictus

Times like this almost make me want to learn that dead language.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2015, 11:55:46 PM

Hey, I've been to Medieval Times; hopefully I can get a spot in President Fiorina's cabinet.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2015, 11:56:42 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 05, 2015, 11:27:02 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/rbz2kj9l.png)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/carly-fiorina-medieval-history-degree-helps-defeat-isis/story?id=34256597

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/9a/28/74/9a2874ce3b265e73a051855167fa2391.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on October 05, 2015, 11:57:02 PM

Quote from: OnlyRegret on October 05, 2015, 11:54:32 PM

Augustus Sol Invictus

Times like this almost make me want to learn that dead language.

Don't bother. It's for poseurs and ancient history majors.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2015, 12:03:33 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tHVVm_fWC8
 :-*

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qGTpgtZHpk
 :doge

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on October 06, 2015, 12:05:44 AM

The big mistake would be teching for crossbows instead of beelining for civil service and education, then falling behind other nations in tech.

What we should do is pay Islamic State ~5gpt to declare war on someone else, then denounce them and war them ourselves.  That'll take them out and leave us in good diplomatic standing for declarations of friendship and research agreements later on.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 06, 2015, 12:07:08 AM

thanks to my degree in linguistics, I can speak the language of diplomacy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2015, 12:24:56 AM

Listen, I've put literally hours of time into Starcraft and if it's taught me one thing it's that the only way we're going to beat an ISIS rush is by bottling up the entrance to our bases with supply depots, a few marines in a bunker should take care of whatever gets through.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2015, 12:44:05 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2015, 09:32:50 PM

Maybe Drinky Crow is Donald Trump. :ohhh

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/4581775/mrw-i-realize-who-keyser-s%C3%B6ze-is-o.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2015, 01:00:29 AM

Does anyone know if international law requires one unit per tile or allows for stacks?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: kingkitty on October 06, 2015, 01:12:14 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2015, 12:24:56 AM

Listen, I've put literally hours of time into Starcraft and if it's taught me one thing it's that the only way we're going to beat an ISIS rush is by bottling up the entrance to our bases with supply depots, a few marines in a bunker should take care of whatever gets through.

I like to say I'm qualified to defeat ISIS because I play a lot of Crusader Kings. But I'm a fraud who uses cheat codes.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2015, 01:15:28 AM

not tiles, they switched to hexes at Yalta

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 06, 2015, 10:22:34 AM

Politico is saying it was Joe Biden himself who leaked Beau's dying wish: :yuck

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/joe-biden-beau-2016-214459

Kind of gross, but the idea of Biden/Warren ticket still excites me.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2015, 10:25:18 AM

Use your recently deceased son as a political prop. :goty

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2015, 12:13:30 PM

Really don't like the use of the word "leak" here. Biden telling Dowd this information doesn't strike me as the cynical, John Edwards-esque thing it's being made out to be. We don't know whether this was Biden talking with Dowd for a story of hers, and him giving her the info off hand. Given his typical behavior, him giving info to people isn't particularly shocking. Have you ever seen a Biden interview where he doesn't reveal some random family tidbit or quote?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 06, 2015, 01:26:13 PM

Were we expecting him to keep it a national secret? ::)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 04:30:38 PM

Carson out here not only saying dead bodies aren't as sad as the loss of the second amendment but also low key throwing shade on the fucking Oregon shooting victims brehs, advocating kindergarten teachers be armed and making parallels to gun control laws leading to Nazi Germany & the holocaust in his recently published book:

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“German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior,” Carson writes in “A More Perfect Union: What We the People Can Do to Reclaim Our Constitutional Liberties,” published Tuesday. “Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.”

This dude
 :gurl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CajoleJuice on October 06, 2015, 04:44:25 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 05, 2015, 11:46:58 PM

Quote from: Rufus on October 05, 2015, 11:30:08 PM

So she's going to raise an army of mongolian horse archers. Cool. Cool, cool, cool.

They only beat the Abbasids. :ufup

I can only like this because of Hardcore History.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2015, 04:46:35 PM

Is there anything that isn't slavery or the holocaust?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2015, 04:52:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2015, 04:46:35 PM

Is there anything that isn't slavery or the holocaust?

actual slavery and the actual holocaust

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2015, 04:53:46 PM

And the "Hitler took everyone's guns" thing isn't even true:

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/11/stop_talking_about_hitler/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 06, 2015, 05:13:33 PM

Not to be outdone by Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal is calling the shooter's father a failure that owes all of us an apology, because of course he is.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jindal-oregon-shooter-father

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 05:24:38 PM

No lie I thought Jindal dropped out.

Give it up Piyush.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 06, 2015, 05:45:35 PM

Quote

Jindal went on to call out "shallow and simple minded liberals" for blaming "pieces of hardware for the problem."

"If anyone is at all serious about changing any of this, they must address the root problems, and those are cultural decay, the glorification of evil, the devaluation of human life, the breakdown of the family, and specifically the complete abdication of fathers," Jindal wrote.

Our three weapons are fear, surprise, and ruthless efficiency ... and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope ... I'll come in again.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2015, 06:12:00 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 04:30:38 PM

Carson out here not only saying dead bodies aren't as sad as the loss of the second amendment but also low key throwing shade on the fucking Oregon shooting victims brehs, advocating kindergarten teachers be armed and making parallels to gun control laws leading to Nazi Germany & the holocaust in his recently published book:

Quote

“German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior,” Carson writes in “A More Perfect Union: What We the People Can Do to Reclaim Our Constitutional Liberties,” published Tuesday. “Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.”

This dude
 :gurl

My favorite thing about the "Nazis disarmed people under the control of their government, ergo the Holocaust" conservative meme is that it completely whitewashes away the complicity of average people in making the Final Solution a quasi-reality as well as the long development of European antisemitism. It's like the perfect melding of softcore Holocaust denial and the "Jewish people are things to be used for personal advancement" plank of modern conservative politics.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 06:23:38 PM

I haven't read much on it but I always wondered how internment camps during WW2 for the Japanese went on the West Coast. You know I'm sure many of them were probably armed or at least had the right to bear arms. Yet lo and behold we threw 120K citizens into camps because fuck you and we all went along with it just fine. Guns or not.

I don't have anything against the right to own guns for recreation or whatever, but the thought that it'll somehow stop a government hell bent on a mission against you in particular is some rambo gun nut fantasy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2015, 06:33:33 PM

Isn't that a general staple of all paramilitary/militia conspiracy types? These people legitimately believe they could resist the most powerful military of all time...with hunting rifles and automatic weapons.

Internment shit often tends to target oppressed groups anyway. So if it were to happen (again) in the US I'm going to assume it won't be aimed at redneck cacs. And they won't do shit as Hispanics or whoever else gets rounded up lol.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 06, 2015, 06:35:49 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 06, 2015, 06:12:00 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 04:30:38 PM

Carson out here not only saying dead bodies aren't as sad as the loss of the second amendment but also low key throwing shade on the fucking Oregon shooting victims brehs, advocating kindergarten teachers be armed and making parallels to gun control laws leading to Nazi Germany & the holocaust in his recently published book:

Quote

“German citizens were disarmed by their government in the late 1930s, and by the mid-1940s Hitler’s regime had mercilessly slaughtered six million Jews and numerous others whom they considered inferior,” Carson writes in “A More Perfect Union: What We the People Can Do to Reclaim Our Constitutional Liberties,” published Tuesday. “Through a combination of removing guns and disseminating deceitful propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.”

This dude
 :gurl

My favorite thing about the "Nazis disarmed people under the control of their government, ergo the Holocaust" conservative meme is that it completely whitewashes away the complicity of average people in making the Final Solution a quasi-reality as well as the long development of European antisemitism. It's like the perfect melding of softcore Holocaust denial and the "Jewish people are things to be used for personal advancement" plank of modern conservative politics.

I've legit seen people say things like "no one knew what Hitler was up to when he imposed gun control" like he hadn't written a book, the beer hall putsch hadn't happened, and a million other things :stahp

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 06:53:55 PM

They'd never round up Mexicans, we'd use our tribal voodoo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLyCathJEag

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 06, 2015, 07:26:33 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 06:23:38 PM

I haven't read much on it but I always wondered how internment camps during WW2 for the Japanese went on the West Coast. You know I'm sure many of them were probably armed or at least had the right to bear arms. Yet lo and behold we threw 120K citizens into camps because fuck you and we all went along with it just fine. Guns or not.

I think it went over relatively well in part because it was regional. Outside the zone of exclusion people of Japanese descent weren't interned so you didn't run the risk of any nationwide upheaval, and even within the zone the system was applied inconsistently (mostly so in Hawaii where something like a third of the entire state's population would have had to be interned). The places where it was in effect were pervasively racist... Earl Warren (yes, that Earl Warren) even lobied for federal action to begin the process when he was a state politician.

Feel free to correct me about any of this, btw. I haven't been to Manzanar in a long, long time. (Take your kids to concentration camps on family vacation y'all.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2015, 09:36:09 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 04:30:38 PM

Carson out here not only saying dead bodies aren't as sad as the loss of the second amendment but also low key throwing shade on the fucking Oregon shooting victims brehs, advocating kindergarten teachers be armed and making parallels to gun control laws leading to Nazi Germany & the holocaust in his recently published book:

This dude
 :gurl

Let's go to the actual quote for that one about the Oregon victims:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-oregon-shooter-attack

"Not only would I not probably not cooperate with him. I would not just stand there and let him shoot me," Carson said. "I would say, 'Hey guys, everybody attack him. He may shoot me, but he can’t get us all.' "

:beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2015, 09:39:10 PM

I'm getting closer and closer to just accepting that Ben Carson is an elaborate Hannibal Buress gag.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 06, 2015, 09:39:42 PM

Republican presidential candidates are sounding more and more like internet trolls these days.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on October 06, 2015, 10:29:38 PM

"I would've bum-rushed the shooter" actually provides a really quick, effective way to spot the dudes in the bar/office/dorm/barbershop whose bullshit you can safely ignore forever.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 07, 2015, 12:20:09 AM

Quote from: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 06:23:38 PM

I don't have anything against the right to own guns for recreation or whatever, but the thought that it'll somehow stop a government hell bent on a mission against you in particular is some rambo gun nut fantasy.

Quote

Isn't that a general staple of all paramilitary/militia conspiracy types? These people legitimately believe they could resist the most powerful military of all time...with hunting rifles and automatic weapons.

The "most powerful military of all time" can't stop goat herders cultivating opium or find a crazy bigot motherfucker using child soldiers. All the best militaries of the past century have at one point been disrupted by low tech insurgencies mainly using small arms, often to the point of being prevented from "winning". I think current and historic evidence show that an armed citizenry would in fact be a major thorn in the side of Jade Helm whatever. If we even consider that something even remotely plausible... That's the real kooky part.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 07, 2015, 11:33:28 AM

The problem is they refuse to acknowledge that the second amendment was made for you to protect the state from the federal government. If there was a Vietnam or Red Dawn situation, guns would be smuggled in over some border in this huge country.

I don't think any modern military has the capacity to totally block insurgents with small arms that are willing to take a 1:30 kill ratio. But I really don't think any country would go through the effort of defeating America's conventional army to then worry about winning our hearts and minds. They'd probably just take resources and nuke population centers.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 07, 2015, 01:52:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=1&v=P-Br1GxdGJo

After looking at Invictus' youtube commercials, went and poked around for more of these kinds of crazy cats.
HUNT SOME RINOS BREHS YEEE HAW
 :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 07, 2015, 02:16:27 PM

Benji come get your (popular front) boys.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 07, 2015, 03:25:43 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 06, 2015, 07:26:33 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 06, 2015, 06:23:38 PM

I haven't read much on it but I always wondered how internment camps during WW2 for the Japanese went on the West Coast. You know I'm sure many of them were probably armed or at least had the right to bear arms. Yet lo and behold we threw 120K citizens into camps because fuck you and we all went along with it just fine. Guns or not.

I think it went over relatively well in part because it was regional. Outside the zone of exclusion people of Japanese descent weren't interned so you didn't run the risk of any nationwide upheaval, and even within the zone the system was applied inconsistently (mostly so in Hawaii where something like a third of the entire state's population would have had to be interned). The places where it was in effect were pervasively racist... Earl Warren (yes, that Earl Warren) even lobied for federal action to begin the process when he was a state politician.

Feel free to correct me about any of this, btw. I haven't been to Manzanar in a long, long time. (Take your kids to concentration camps on family vacation y'all.)

Growing up in Washington state we learned about the internment of Japanese citizens in elementary and junior high. It went over really well which always stunned me. I mean, people were upset about losing their neighbors who did nothing wrong, but there weren't huge protests against the government. What's sobering to me is that our state fair in Puyallup, WA is held where our local Japanese-American population was interned.

edit:

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2015, 08:24:29 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/matt-drudge-interview-obama-isis-issa

Quote

Matt Drudge, founder of the Drudge Report, joined radio host Alex Jones for a rare interview on Tuesday during which he spoke about his latest conspiracy theory.

He said that the Obama administration began referring to the Islamic State as "ISIS" so that the group would be confused with Rep. Darrell Issa (R-CA), the former chairman of the House Oversight Committee.

"We never heard of ISIS until recently," Drudge told Jones. "Do you know it was designed to be confused with Darrell Issa?"

According to Drudge, President Obama decided to do that "because Darrell Issa was the enemy at the time of this administration." He noted that Obama could have been impeached over the IRS scandal, which Issa investigated as chairman.

"They came up with the name ISIS to be confused with Darrell Issa. I’m really being honest with you," Drudge said.

Drudge did not appear in the video of Jones' interview with him, and Jones said that Drudge stood in the dark in the studio with a handheld microphone.

:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge  :doge

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 08, 2015, 09:38:33 AM

Obama notoriously prefers ISIL over ISIS/IS/daesh. An incredible amount of hot takes have been written about this in the last year or so.

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Post by: brob on October 08, 2015, 09:46:41 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 08, 2015, 09:38:33 AM

Obama notoriously prefers ISIL over ISIS/IS/daesh. An incredible amount of hot takes have been written about this in the last year or so.

obviously a false flag so everyone else can say ISIS to subliminially undermine this honest, hardworking republican. drop the liberLOL talking points, you're not at jade helm basic anymore :ufup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2015, 09:53:33 AM

Since gun-control laws are right out, we'll just train the entire population [including children] to throw themselves onto active shooters:

Quote from: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/17/there-s-little-we-can-do-to-prevent-another-massacre.html

I'd also like us to encourage people to gang rush shooters, rather than following their instincts to hide; if we drilled it into young people that the correct thing to do is for everyone to instantly run at the guy with the gun, these sorts of mass shootings would be less deadly, because even a guy with a very powerful weapon can be brought down by 8-12 unarmed bodies piling on him at once. Would it work? Would people do it? I have no idea; all I can say is that both these things would be more effective than banning rifles with pistol grips.

Quote

It is easy and satisfying to be for "gun control" in the abstract, but we cannot pass gun control, in the abstract.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Fifstar on October 08, 2015, 10:16:21 AM

 :neogaf :neogaf

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 08, 2015, 10:37:21 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/5bbeOj3.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 08, 2015, 10:37:49 AM

Issa is an Arabic name too.

Follow the transliterated letters, sheeple.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2015, 10:39:09 AM

I'm sorta surprised that the democrats haven't come out swinging big on the republican response to mass shootings. Jeb's "Stuff happens", Carson's "blame the victims", Trumps "We could help but instead why don't you jump on a guy that's wielding a gun?" I mean it's a prime opportunity to point out these guys have no idea and outside of a few bylines there's nothing. If I ran the DNC it'd be full court press.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 08, 2015, 10:41:33 AM

Quote from: Kara on October 08, 2015, 10:37:49 AM

Issa is an Arabic name too.

Follow the transliterated letters, sheeple.

Which means JESUS. Another front of Obama's war against Christianity.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 08, 2015, 10:46:19 AM

If my rhetorical son or daughter came home from his elementary school class and told me that they practiced rushing an active shooter I would form a collective to stuff ballot boxes, systematically take over the school board, and slash the budget to effectively shut the school down à la East Ramapo.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2015, 11:21:17 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-debt-ceiling

“I have had a gun held on me when I was in a Popeye’s,” Ben Carson said, reportedly referring to a Baltimore location of the fast food chain.

“Guy comes in, puts the gun in my ribs,” he added. “And I just said, ‘I believe that you want the guy behind the counter.’”

"He said, 'Oh, OK.'"

 :idont

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 08, 2015, 11:37:34 AM

Carson is right...

Popeye's is better then KFC.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on October 08, 2015, 11:45:57 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2015, 11:21:17 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-debt-ceiling

“I have had a gun held on me when I was in a Popeye’s,” Ben Carson said, reportedly referring to a Baltimore location of the fast food chain.

“Guy comes in, puts the gun in my ribs,” he added. “And I just said, ‘I believe that you want the guy behind the counter.’”

"He said, 'Oh, OK.'"

 :idont

And he had to deflect with words!? Coward! Should have spun around and snapped his neck. Or casually unholstered his own, much bigger, gun (he does carry, right? right!?) and held it in the would be assailant's face.

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Post by: studyguy on October 08, 2015, 11:46:08 AM

Popeyes :lawd

Also what's that 16 year old working for minimum wage got to say about Carson directing an armed robber at his ass?
That's some shit man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 08, 2015, 11:47:28 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2015, 10:39:09 AM

I'm sorta surprised that the democrats haven't come out swinging big on the republican response to mass shootings. Jeb's "Stuff happens", Carson's "blame the victims", Trumps "We could help but instead why don't you jump on a guy that's wielding a gun?" I mean it's a prime opportunity to point out these guys have no idea and outside of a few bylines there's nothing. If I ran the DNC it'd be full court press.

To challenge these points would be to assume that they aren't reflective of swathes of America. The DNC is nothing if not cynically electoral.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 08, 2015, 12:37:25 PM

 :neogaf
McCarthy just dropped out of the race for speaker. (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/mccarthy-withdraws-from-speaker-race-election-postponed-214560)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 08, 2015, 01:06:24 PM

What a fucking mess.  Honestly, is there a single person who can get the votes now?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2015, 01:09:42 PM

No the republican party isn't dysfunctional. Nothing to see here. Just carry on.

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Post by: studyguy on October 08, 2015, 01:16:54 PM

Benghazi was embarassing, but I can't imagine it being the only reason for giving him the boot.

Something else has to be hiding in that closet.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/10/08/446889538/mccarthy-drops-out-of-speaker-race-throwing-gop-leadership-into-chaos

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According to Republican congressmen coming out of the caucus meeting — where lawmakers were expected to pick a successor to retiring House Speaker John Boehner — McCarthy told Republicans he didn't have a path to victory.

Rep. Tom Rooney, R-Fla., said the meeting opened, Republicans said the Pledge and then McCarthy stood up and took himself out of the race. The prohibitive favorite said he didn't want members to take arrows for voting for him and that he was taking himself out of contention.

Speaker Boehner then immediately moved to adjourn the meeting. Rooney said there was "total shock" and some members were audibly crying.

What the fuck lmao

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2015, 01:33:24 PM

Audibly crying :lawd

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2015, 01:36:45 PM

What if this is all part of Boehner's master plan to make the House GOP realize how much they need him? :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 08, 2015, 01:44:10 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2015, 01:09:42 PM

No the republican party isn't dysfunctional. Nothing to see here. Just carry on.

both parties do it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 08, 2015, 01:53:02 PM

I refuse to call them ISIS because I don't think they deserve to be associated with the goddess, esp given the morale implications of the suggestion we/Iran are up against this:

(http://lparchive.org/Final-Fantasy-Legend-II-(by-Rirse)/Update%2022/isis.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 08, 2015, 02:05:28 PM

I don't care what I call ISIS, not like they're going to get shook by some nerds on a videogame forum calling them differently.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2015, 02:21:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 08, 2015, 01:06:24 PM

What a fucking mess.  Honestly, is there a single person who can get the votes now?

Pelosi  :hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2015, 03:02:52 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2015, 01:36:45 PM

What if this is all part of Boehner's master plan to make the House GOP realize how much they need him? :ohhh

Yea this is pretty much like when I was a kid and my mom would whip that "you guys aren't listening to me, so I'm going to stop listening to you." Couple hours later you realized you were hungry and didn't know how to cook, and dad didn't know how to cook either
:brazilcry

Then she'd come home and be like "oh you guys are hungry? Will you behave now?"

YES :stahp

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2015, 03:05:59 PM

Leaving this here for Kara.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbHNk5oZQK8

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 08, 2015, 03:09:48 PM

Donald Trump is doing his own version of the Taylor Swift record?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 08, 2015, 03:25:34 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2015, 03:05:59 PM

Leaving this here for Kara.

Hairy-Toupée

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris-Roubaix

[close]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2015, 06:11:44 PM

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/652244064587415552

(http://i.imgur.com/v3v0Yph.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 08, 2015, 06:17:39 PM

"Maybe if I say terrible things I can be like Trump"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2015, 06:32:16 PM

Shitting on Washington isn't gonna do him favors with conservatives, haha.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 08, 2015, 06:51:27 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/special-report-bret-baier/blog/2015/10/08/breaking-john-boehner-has-agreed-stay-speaker


 :idont

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 08, 2015, 07:29:04 PM

laaaaaaaaawlahHHaaaaahaha

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2015, 07:34:46 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 08, 2015, 08:39:07 PM

This might have honestly been his plan all along. Defangs the lunatics, what are they going to do to him?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2015, 11:00:28 PM

I dunno. It seems too clever for him. And he genuinely seemed happy to be leaving.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2015, 12:52:12 AM

Maybe it was the Pope's plan.
:ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2015, 01:23:33 AM

Quote

Ben Carson Suggests Holocaust Would Have Been Less Likely if Jews Were Armed

Republican candidate Ben Carson continued his controversial remarks about guns Thursday -- suggesting in a new interview that the Jews may have been able to diminish the likelihood of the Holocaust if they were armed.

Carson made the remarks, which drew swift condemnation -- on CNN. He said that passengers on Flight 93, which crashed on 9/11, helped avoid further tragedy by rushing the gunman.

In Carson's new book “A Perfect Union,” Carson writes that “through a combination of removing guns and disseminating propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.”

On CNN, Carson was asked: "But just to clarify, if there had been no gun control laws in Europe at that time, would 6 million Jews have been slaughtered?"

In response, the candidate suggested that Hitler may not have been as effective in carrying out his plot if the victims were armed.

“I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” Carson said. “I’m telling you there is a reason these dictatorial people take guns first."

The comments drew a swift response from the Anti-Defamation League.

“Ben Carson has a right to his views on gun control, but the notion that Hitler’s gun-control policy contributed to the Holocaust is historically inaccurate," said Jonathan Greenblatt, National Director of the organization. "The small number of personal firearms available to Germany’s Jews in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state."

http://news.yahoo.com/ben-carson-suggests-holocaust-less-likely-jews-were-220504283.html

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2015, 01:35:24 AM

I love the people suggesting Paul Ryan is somehow going to magically horse whisper the wide eyed lunatic Freedom Caucus brigade into line if he runs for Speaker. I think he would actually be able to win, but would immediately find himself in the same position as Boehner after winning- having to deal with roughly 50 intractably crazy motherfuckers that demand SERENITY NOW and will accept no excuses for why Obama can't be lynched by tomorrow at the latest, but later today would really be for the best.

These people are, in the parlance of our times, nihilists. They don't want to govern. You lunatics embraced this shit in order to gain power, now you gotta reap the whirlwind. Have fun with that shit. Paul Ryan sees it and wants no fucking part of it. WHAT NOW WITH YOUR POST-ELECTION GLOATING, AIA???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 09, 2015, 01:55:00 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2015, 01:23:33 AM

Quote

Ben Carson Suggests Holocaust Would Have Been Less Likely if Jews Were Armed

Republican candidate Ben Carson continued his controversial remarks about guns Thursday -- suggesting in a new interview that the Jews may have been able to diminish the likelihood of the Holocaust if they were armed.

Carson made the remarks, which drew swift condemnation -- on CNN. He said that passengers on Flight 93, which crashed on 9/11, helped avoid further tragedy by rushing the gunman.

In Carson's new book “A Perfect Union,” Carson writes that “through a combination of removing guns and disseminating propaganda, the Nazis were able to carry out their evil intentions with relatively little resistance.”

On CNN, Carson was asked: "But just to clarify, if there had been no gun control laws in Europe at that time, would 6 million Jews have been slaughtered?"

In response, the candidate suggested that Hitler may not have been as effective in carrying out his plot if the victims were armed.

“I think the likelihood of Hitler being able to accomplish his goals would have been greatly diminished if the people had been armed,” Carson said. “I’m telling you there is a reason these dictatorial people take guns first."

The comments drew a swift response from the Anti-Defamation League.

“Ben Carson has a right to his views on gun control, but the notion that Hitler’s gun-control policy contributed to the Holocaust is historically inaccurate," said Jonathan Greenblatt, National Director of the organization. "The small number of personal firearms available to Germany’s Jews in 1938 could in no way have stopped the totalitarian power of the Nazi German state."

http://news.yahoo.com/ben-carson-suggests-holocaust-less-likely-jews-were-220504283.html

 :doge

Shut the fuck up about the Holocaust, goyim.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 09, 2015, 01:55:54 AM

Like I don't want to be a neanderthal racist, but y'all is seriously a lost cause.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 09, 2015, 02:08:38 AM

The allies flattened cities and the Germans still fought for every alleyway in Berlin. Unless the Jews had a nuke or a nearby cashier I don't think there was any way they could have got the Nazis off their back.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on October 09, 2015, 04:29:35 AM

So Carson is saying the best, maybe only, way for a marginalized group to avoid persecution by a hostile majority is to arm themselves, and defend their lives and property by any means necessary...

 :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2015, 09:20:50 AM

Gay uprising starts now!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2015, 09:33:28 AM

So, apparently this is what it's come down to with the GOP:

Quote from: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/256433-gingrich-open-to-return-to-speakership

Newt Gingrich said he would consider taking up the Speaker’s gavel again if called upon to by House Republicans.

The former Speaker initially denied any interest in a return to Congress, but when pressed in an interview with radio show host Sean Hannity on Thursday, admitted he would consider it if he had the votes.

“If you were to say to me 218 have called you up and given you their pledge, obviously no citizen could ever turn down that kind of challenge,” Gingrich said, as first reported by the Washington Free Beacon.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 09, 2015, 10:04:02 AM

Our collective 90's nostalgia has it's limits, Newt.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2015, 10:28:01 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2015, 09:20:50 AM

Gay uprising starts now!

Pink dildo guns for everyone!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2015, 10:40:41 AM

Only in politics are people stupid enough to think "That guy hasn't done this in 20 years. He'd be great for the job!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2015, 11:39:39 AM

Quote from: Esch on October 09, 2015, 11:28:02 AM

i've never seen a political candidate abuse Godwin's Law like this before

If the Jews had all rushed at Hitler, then the Holocaust wouldn't have happened.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 09, 2015, 11:55:29 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2015, 10:40:41 AM

Only in politics are people stupid enough to think "That guy hasn't done this in 20 years. He'd be great for the job!"

politics and Kickstarter

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2015, 12:02:32 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on October 09, 2015, 11:55:29 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2015, 10:40:41 AM

Only in politics are people stupid enough to think "That guy hasn't done this in 20 years. He'd be great for the job!"

politics and Kickstarter

touche

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2015, 12:13:40 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/EWx5xWq.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/TOFhzjg.png)

:dead Pretty soon there won't be any products left for these bigots to use, lol.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 09, 2015, 12:15:56 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/07/alex-jones-endorses-rand-paul-america-needs-real-change.html

Whew, I'm sure this is the beginning of the turnaround and his poll numbers will improve

:paul

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2015, 12:17:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rZOMY2sOnE

(http://i.imgur.com/htE3meI.png)

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2015, 12:18:02 PM

Please parents, take your children to Sunday School to learn about Jesus. Sadly, plopping them down in front of Campbell Soup ads just isn't good enough anymore.  :usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2015, 01:45:24 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 09, 2015, 04:29:35 AM

So Carson is saying the best, maybe only, way for a marginalized group to avoid persecution by a hostile majority is to arm themselves, and defend their lives and property by any means necessary...

 :ohhh

(http://i.imgur.com/qDTppA1.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 09, 2015, 02:32:30 PM

Get shook by cornball Star Wars jokes y'all.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dennis on October 09, 2015, 02:49:41 PM

Trump working on the Hispanic vote.

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/10/08/woman-invited-onstage-im-hispanic-and-i-vote-for-mr-trump/?siteID=je6NUbpObpQ-d_Bz9Ald2AsARf1eypxXDQ

(http://i.imgur.com/kLg2UVB.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2015, 03:06:03 PM

just look at that rapist drug dealer. I mean she's even high right now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2015, 03:11:31 PM

This is like when Danny Snyder found some indian chief to sit in the owner's box so he could claim that Redskins wasn't racist, except that guy had to sit through an entire Redskins game and be next to Daniel Snyder for several hours.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2015, 03:39:02 PM

basically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjIX4QMIiOw

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 09, 2015, 03:43:20 PM

Colombianos...
(http://www.generadormemes.com/media/templates/160/la_rana_rene_tomando_te.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 09, 2015, 03:45:50 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/biden-huddling-closest-advisers-whether-spend-200--51513 (http://www.theonion.com/article/biden-huddling-closest-advisers-whether-spend-200--51513)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 09, 2015, 04:58:36 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ4-IxoUEAA9UJ4.jpg)
(http://a4.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/b3janlzubhx4awe1vaa7.jpg)


Real cool look at the perfectly reasonable people protesting gun control in Oregon during Obama's visit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 09, 2015, 05:41:58 PM

Yeah, Oregon ain't as blue as people think, especially the farther you get from Multnomah Co.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2015, 05:42:26 PM

At least that old lady only wants him to go back to Washington as opposed to Kenya. Progress.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on October 09, 2015, 06:19:41 PM

Further you get from the cities the stupider it gets I'm told. Luckily I'm mostly safe cause I'm right next to Portland. :bow There's some rednecky shops and people hanging about all the same but at least they're not everybody or the majority by any stretch. Weird mix of people. Those fat cacs remind me of the clientele we'd get a lot of the time at my old garbage pharmacy job. Stupid looks the same everywhere.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 09, 2015, 06:24:22 PM

Oh god are you in Gresham?  :yuck

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:teehee

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2015, 10:48:16 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ5g_N7VAAAarbC.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 10, 2015, 12:02:50 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/y7LrC4y.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 10, 2015, 12:48:24 PM

Carson said three times with a straight face that Khamenei, Abbas, and Putin are all college buddies.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/09/ben-carson/ben-carson-says-mahmoud-abbas-ali-khamenei-vladimi/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2015, 12:50:13 PM

The college of EVIL!  :bluesteel

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on October 10, 2015, 02:16:10 PM

It's almost as if a non-politician isn't really qualified to be running for the highest political office in the land! :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 10, 2015, 05:30:39 PM

The IRS released its estate tax statistics for 2014.

A whopping 9,400 returns were filed. (Down from 73,100 in 2003.)

A whopping 8.5 billion of net estate tax was reported.

Reminder that this tax occupies an inordinate amount of time in political discourse even though it's an irrelevance.

Stock and real estate were the brunt of asset composition. For very large estates stocks alone accounted for 40% of all reported assets. Family businesses never exceeded 10% despite Republican messaging indicating the contrary.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 10, 2015, 09:01:03 PM

What's the reason for a 6x drop in a decade?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 10, 2015, 09:10:16 PM

Voxsplain this to us, Kara.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 10, 2015, 09:11:16 PM

The estate tax exclusion has been raised considerably in that time. It's 5.3 million something now.

Basically they kept narrowing the value of estates subject to tax by raising the exclusion because it's "ridiculous" to tax million dollar estates. See also: subjecting 6 figure incomes to AMT.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2015, 10:28:10 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 10, 2015, 12:48:24 PM

Carson said three times with a straight face that Khamenei, Abbas, and Putin are all college buddies.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/09/ben-carson/ben-carson-says-mahmoud-abbas-ali-khamenei-vladimi/

I was reading that article like "fuck...there's enough smoke here on Abbas and Khamenei that perhaps, maybe...

*reads Putin was 16 years old in 1968*

nevermind :heh "

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 11, 2015, 01:00:18 AM

Something ain't right with that guy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2015, 01:06:10 AM

Browsing through Wikipedia produced this incredible Ben Carson quote:

Quote

I believe it is a very good idea for physicians, scientists, engineers, and others trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data to get involved in the political arena.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2015, 01:33:14 AM

But then again didn't Dr. Doom attend college at the age of 16? Perhaps Putin did as well.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on October 11, 2015, 05:43:44 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2015, 01:06:10 AM

Browsing through Wikipedia produced this incredible Ben Carson quote:

Quote

I believe it is a very good idea for physicians, scientists, engineers, and others trained to make decisions based on facts and empirical data to get involved in the political arena.

:neogaf

PAC money is a fact, so he will base decisions on it. Rationality preserved, American politics annihilated.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2015, 01:33:14 AM

But then again didn't Dr. Doom attend college at the age of 16? Perhaps Putin did as well.  :doge

He'd constantly remind everyone if this were the case.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2015, 01:22:59 PM

No he wouldn't.  Once you become a doctor, how you got there doesn't really impress people.  *Unless you got your doctorate at like 20.  Then that's crazy. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2015, 01:30:24 PM

Quote

As one writer recently put it, "... Carson now acts like a brain surgeon who performed his own lobotomy".

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 11, 2015, 02:05:40 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 11, 2015, 01:22:59 PM

No he wouldn't.  Once you become a doctor, how you got there doesn't really impress people.  *Unless you got your doctorate at like 20.  Then that's crazy.

Unlike being molested by your teacher, I have actually seen guys brag about attending college early. And I mean guys who finished schooling a decade ago.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2015, 02:09:52 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 11, 2015, 02:05:40 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 11, 2015, 01:22:59 PM

No he wouldn't.  Once you become a doctor, how you got there doesn't really impress people.  *Unless you got your doctorate at like 20.  Then that's crazy.

Unlike being molested by your teacher, I have actually seen guys brag about attending college early. And I mean guys who finished schooling a decade ago.

Are these guys doctors? 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on October 11, 2015, 02:25:52 PM

We're talking about Putin here. The guy has pictures of all his manly exploits published.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 11, 2015, 05:56:42 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 11, 2015, 02:09:52 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 11, 2015, 02:05:40 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 11, 2015, 01:22:59 PM

No he wouldn't.  Once you become a doctor, how you got there doesn't really impress people.  *Unless you got your doctorate at like 20.  Then that's crazy.

Unlike being molested by your teacher, I have actually seen guys brag about attending college early. And I mean guys who finished schooling a decade ago.

Are these guys doctors?

Not a "doctor" doctor but like a PhD. And when I tutored in college, I never once had a male student sign up for even the most difficult science classes (bio/chem) but a few did sign up in economics classes. Most men in science have HUGE egos and are very proud of doing things alone.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 12, 2015, 09:31:40 AM

I read somewhere that Ben Carson makes being a neurosurgeon look like it's not that hard to do.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 12, 2015, 09:18:00 PM

Quote

Following confirmation by authorities in Canada that women who show up to vote wearing a niqab won't be forced to remove it to reveal their identity, there have been protests on the first day of advance polling.

 

People wearing a face covering will be asked to sign an oath attesting to their eligibility and to present two pieces of identification, at least one having a current address.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ssik-vx6Qgw/Vhj63NScrgI/AAAAAAABxc8/PuBqehJL8x8/s1600/bag%2Bon%2Bhead.jpg)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-iFucJ8dcjCc/Vhj6ug2Fc6I/AAAAAAABxcw/7iYc3m7TWUo/s400/clown.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-6PNqbOylPqU/Vhj6uXpsfGI/AAAAAAABxcs/LZQP5rq9vVQ/s400/ghost.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 13, 2015, 06:04:37 PM

DNC DEBATE TONIGHT

ARE YOU FUCKING READY FOR

NO SEXIST DIGS AT MODERATORS
NO ONE BASHING ANOTHER PERSON'S LOOKS
A COMPLETE LACK OF XENOPHOBIC RHETORIC



It's gonna be fucking wild
 :hulk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2015, 06:42:25 PM

Hilldawg's gonna go upside #FeelTheBern with a folding chair! Metaphorically.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 13, 2015, 06:52:01 PM

Anywhere to watch online, and what time, for the lazy folks like me

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2015, 06:53:57 PM

8:30PM EST. CNN so you'll prob be able to stream on their site.

a debate with no xenophobia or women hatin? dunno if I'm ready for that  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 13, 2015, 07:04:35 PM

Ta

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 13, 2015, 08:29:08 PM

CNN has it streaming free.

DEMOCRATIC WELFARE STATE DEBATE ABOUT TO START
 #FEELTHEWHITE20SOMETHINGNONVOTERBERN

What the fuck kind of intro is this?
Am I watching a boxing match?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2015, 08:42:53 PM

Surely, the democrats can get a better singer for the national anthem. Those commies!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 13, 2015, 09:12:41 PM

CNN homepage player works, the CNN GO stream is trash.

Webb god damn you seem uncomfortable as fuck.

Bern is getting fucking stomped on gun control. It makes sense what he's saying that you need to come at it from a different angle, but he sounds like an apologist tbh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2015, 09:34:07 PM

Bernie can't hold up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 13, 2015, 09:52:16 PM

Lets talk about race with Don Lemon  ::)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2015, 09:53:09 PM

I figured out who Bernie Sanders sounds like: Hubie Brown.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2015, 10:14:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 13, 2015, 09:53:09 PM

I figured out who Bernie Sanders sounds like: Hubie Brown.

"The thing about income inequality is that it's actually quite versatile. It's good with the left hand, good with the right. This is really a lost art in politics today."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 13, 2015, 10:20:41 PM

Did Webb get lost and end up on that stage fr...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2015, 10:22:58 PM

Maybe it was his first day?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2015, 10:25:40 PM

Dave Itzkoff @ditzkoff
If Don Lemon can only ask about black people and Juan Carlos Lopez can only ask about Hispanics, Wolf Blitzer only gets to ask about wolves.
9:19 PM - 13 Oct 2015

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 13, 2015, 10:29:20 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2015, 10:25:40 PM

Dave Itzkoff @ditzkoff
If Don Lemon can only ask about black people and Juan Carlos Lopez can only ask about Hispanics, Wolf Blitzer only gets to ask about wolves.
9:19 PM - 13 Oct 2015

"Is Dick Wolf the most innovative American working today?"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: thisismyusername on October 13, 2015, 10:39:27 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 13, 2015, 10:29:20 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2015, 10:25:40 PM

Dave Itzkoff @ditzkoff
If Don Lemon can only ask about black people and Juan Carlos Lopez can only ask about Hispanics, Wolf Blitzer only gets to ask about wolves.
9:19 PM - 13 Oct 2015

"Is Dick Wolf the most innovative American working today?"

Well, I mean he has that DOINK DOINK sound and gave sexual assault victims a platform.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: helios on October 13, 2015, 10:40:57 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRPogQAVEAA89mv.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2015, 11:11:00 PM

Quote

DRUDGE POLL: WHO WON THE FIRST DEM DEBATE '16?

SANDERS  58.32%  (50,576 votes)

WEBB  25.63%  (22,224 votes)

O'MALLEY  6.94%  (6,020 votes)
 
CLINTON  4.99%  (4,324 votes)
 
CHAFEE  4.12%  (3,571 votes)

Total Votes: 86,715

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 13, 2015, 11:34:52 PM

Bernie got fukken hammered during gun control but recovered pretty well. Hillary kind of petered out after the first 40 minutes and had some  ??? shit when she got asked about financial reform. "Cut it out!", wtf. All three candidates on stage ended pretty strong though.

I don't see poll numbers changing that much, tbh.

edit: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=181593168&postcount=4470

 :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 13, 2015, 11:47:05 PM

He makes a good point.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/ben-carson-democrats-offered-no-plan-to-protect-earth-from-dragons

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2015, 11:54:11 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/EtkvJTD.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Bebpo on October 13, 2015, 11:54:28 PM

I don't really post much about my political views even though I'm fairly political and extremely left leaning, because in a sense I feel pretty apathetic toward the whole thing (though I do make sure to vote).

I basically feel like the world is fucked at this point, global warming, wealth inequality, the lack of real working as a global community to ensure human survival (see Russia doing whatever the fuck they want lately) and I think for the most part it's too late to change a lot of this stuff and within a few generations we'll all be dead and gone for the most part.  Even politics seem trivial as in the long term scheme of things the Republicans will roar the most but their increasingly pushing out moderates and offending everyone who isn't old and white means they're not going to be electable, but because of gerrymandering their gonna keep congress and because of that the slightly left democrats will keep winning and policies will slowly move in the right direction (gay marriage, transgender equality, weed legalization, getting rid of the death penalty, single payer healthcare, better systems for low income people, higher taxation and penalties of the top 1% and incredibly slow reigning in of the destructive ultra capitalism, pro-electric energy, etc...) but it's all gonna be too little too late.  It'll slowly increase the quality of our current lives, but I can't help but feel we are one of the last generations on the planet.  That the industrial revolution and capitalism combined with inherent human greed basically fucked our civilization for good (and most of it was born out of the USA). 

I'll still keep voting on issues and people for the rest of my life, but (especially being in California and a 90% republican district of California) I can't help but feel like almost nothing really matters and it's just a feel good thing.  Eh, my $.02.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 14, 2015, 12:02:52 AM

I think Bernie supporters expected Hillary to slip up and Bernie to win. But, Hillary didn't get to be Hillary by making mistakes. She's inevitable.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: mormapope on October 14, 2015, 12:16:00 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on October 13, 2015, 11:54:28 PM

That the industrial revolution and capitalism combined with inherent human greed basically fucked our civilization for good (and most of it was born out of the USA). 

 :flabbypd

That's a pretty naive stance I feel. Just because we're the biggest gorilla in the room doesn't mean another gorilla wasn't itching to be the biggest gorilla.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2015, 12:27:57 AM

The industrial revolution and capitalism were so bad that... quality of life has never been higher in the history of mankind, an unprecedented number of countries are at peace, and access to academic knowledge and medical science is more widespread than ever on a global scale.

But, like, sure. Capitalism sucks and living is pointless.

(I also want to point out the laughable notion of humanity's complete extinction occurring in "the next few generations." Short of a big rock from space smashing into us, that's not going to be happen.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 12:31:35 AM

I feel this is the only appropriate thing to post in response to this discussion:

Walrus, post some of your favorite Godesky Thesis'.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 14, 2015, 12:56:38 AM

The only thing I learned about Webb is that dude is hard as fuck.

"My greatest enemy was that motherfucker who lobbed a grenade at my ass, but I murdered him so... you're next Cooper"
 :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 12:57:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkcAeEhtCbU

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2015, 12:57:56 AM

David Brooks finally realized that he's been riding a tiger and has to get off it now and he has a saaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/13/opinion/the-republicans-incompetence-caucus.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: helios on October 14, 2015, 01:06:01 AM

You throw grenades at Webb and you won't be around to talk about it

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 01:07:40 AM

Quote from: David Brooks

Running a government is a craft, like carpentry.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barraco Barner on October 14, 2015, 01:14:02 AM

Sanders sounds like Howard Stern's dad

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Bebpo on October 14, 2015, 02:31:22 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 14, 2015, 12:27:57 AM

But, like, sure. Capitalism sucks and living is pointless.

Unregulated Capitalism sucks because it's an entire system based on fuck you, got mine, which ends up creating inequalities that only reinforce themselves and widen.  I think Capitalism, the idea is ok, but in practice because people can be very greedy/self-centered for the most part, it needs with certain restrictions to protect humanity from humanity's greed, fears and insecurities.

As to the second part, nah I mean I'm pessimistic about the incredibly slow speed society makes social progress, but that doesn't mean life isn't great and enjoyable and that it's not getting better with these progresses however slow.  It's definitely way better times than it was a hundred years ago or so and will likely continue to get better during our lifetimes, but in the long run (a 100 years) very little is being done about the long-term global problems and the short-term focus (another capitalism issue, just like shareholder short-term profits >>> long-term sustainability mentality is diseased) is going to bite everyone in the ass and it'll be very difficult to make major changes when it gets real bad imo.  But I'll be dead, and I can't make much of a difference about it politically anyways, so smoke 'em while you gotta 'em?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2015, 02:38:03 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on October 13, 2015, 11:54:28 PM

I don't really post much about my political views even though I'm fairly political and extremely left leaning, because in a sense I feel pretty apathetic toward the whole thing (though I do make sure to vote).

I basically feel like the world is fucked at this point, global warming, wealth inequality, the lack of real working as a global community to ensure human survival (see Russia doing whatever the fuck they want lately) and I think for the most part it's too late to change a lot of this stuff and within a few generations we'll all be dead and gone for the most part.  Even politics seem trivial as in the long term scheme of things the Republicans will roar the most but their increasingly pushing out moderates and offending everyone who isn't old and white means they're not going to be electable, but because of gerrymandering their gonna keep congress and because of that the slightly left democrats will keep winning and policies will slowly move in the right direction (gay marriage, transgender equality, weed legalization, getting rid of the death penalty, single payer healthcare, better systems for low income people, higher taxation and penalties of the top 1% and incredibly slow reigning in of the destructive ultra capitalism, pro-electric energy, etc...) but it's all gonna be too little too late.  It'll slowly increase the quality of our current lives, but I can't help but feel we are one of the last generations on the planet.  That the industrial revolution and capitalism combined with inherent human greed basically fucked our civilization for good (and most of it was born out of the USA). 

I'll still keep voting on issues and people for the rest of my life, but (especially being in California and a 90% republican district of California) I can't help but feel like almost nothing really matters and it's just a feel good thing.  Eh, my $.02.

We can tell other people about . . . having faith. What we had faith in. What we found important enough to fight for. It's not whether you were right or wrong, but how much faith you were willing to have, that decides the future.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mods Help on October 14, 2015, 02:42:16 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 14, 2015, 12:27:57 AM

The industrial revolution and capitalism were so bad that... quality of life has never been higher in the history of mankind, an unprecedented number of countries are at peace, and access to academic knowledge and medical science is more widespread than ever on a global scale.

But, like, sure. Capitalism sucks and living is pointless.

(I also want to point out the laughable notion of humanity's complete extinction occurring in "the next few generations." Short of a big rock from space smashing into us, that's not going to be happen.)

Quality of life is higher than any point in history, but the disproportion of wealth is the highest in the history. Capitalism.

For profit prisons. Capitalism.

We could easily have everyone a middle class life in this world, but we won't, because greed. Capitalism.

Where money eschews everything else. Work 12 hour work day? Boss guilts you into working more because "you need the money!". Capitalism.

Taking advantage of entire peoples to meet the needs of a few. Capitalism.

Where people become chattel, a capital reigns supreme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWcsFIxOUKE

Capitalism is shit. Capitalism is evil.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 02:43:45 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on October 14, 2015, 02:31:22 AM

but in the long run (a 100 years) very little is being done about the long-term

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/04/what-people-in-1900-thought-the-year-2000-would-look-like/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2015, 02:59:44 AM

Yeah MH, it's v. Foucauldian how violence inherent to the capitalist mode of production  (homelessness, for example) is just labeled something else even though it's violent.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 14, 2015, 02:59:58 AM

Bebpo, people in general  are selfish enough that humanity wouldn't do anything that kills off the majority, even when that's literally just a few buttons away at this point with nukes.

If any man-made problem gets to that point that most people would find themselves dying due to it, then humans will fix that problem. We are social creatures.

Think about every stupid chit-chat conversation you had in the last week. We humans will survive to continue doing that shit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 14, 2015, 04:06:59 AM

Is this a parody page ?

And I would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for fou damn meddlin' Capitalism !

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2015, 04:08:29 AM

I was kinda taking the piss when I quoted Metal Gear Solid 2.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brob on October 14, 2015, 04:13:18 AM

Quote from: Kara on October 14, 2015, 04:08:29 AM

I was kinda taking the piss when I quoted Metal Gear Solid 2.

New Sincerity in the Millennial Age  :goty2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 04:15:25 AM

2016 is actually a secret program to re-create the events of the 2008 Democratic Primaries only for SOCIALIST Bernie Sanders.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 05:09:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 02, 2015, 10:03:37 PM

Quote

CNBC has announced the polling qualifications for the Republican primary debate it will host on October 28 in Colorado, and the network’s criteria could leave Rand Paul listening to the sound of his own voice during the “undercard” portion of the evening’s events.

Candidates will have to reach an average of 3 per cent support in polls released between Sept. 17 and Oct. 21 in order to qualify for the main event at 8:00 p.m. A 2.5 per cent average will be rounded up to 3, CNBC said Wednesday.

Those with at least 1 per cent will be invited to an earlier debate at 6:00 p.m.

The rules leave open the possibility that Paul, a Senator from Kentucky, could be alone on stage for what columnists have taken to calling the ‘kids table’ portion of the evening.

Paul is the only candidate averaging between 1 and 2.5 per cent in the six national polls released since Sept. 17, according to a running total maintained by Real Clear Politics.

His average sits at 2.3 per cent as of Wednesday afternoon.

:dead :dead :dead :dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:paul

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Just noticed, the RCP average has now moved Paul up to 2.7%. And left Chris Christie in the single person debate limbo at 1.9%.

[fat joke about stage still not holding him]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 05:24:25 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/1rtkJ8w.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2015, 05:45:15 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 04:15:25 AM

2016 is actually a secret program to re-create the events of the 2008 Democratic Primaries only for SOCIALIST Bernie Sanders.

I need scissors. 61. -Bernie Sanders, advocating expropriation of la tijeras and reaffirming his support for overthrowing the rule of (Portuguese) law in Angola.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 06:51:41 AM

Quote from: Kara on October 14, 2015, 05:45:15 AM

I need scissors. 61. -Bernie Sanders, advocating expropriation of la tijeras and reaffirming his support for overthrowing the rule of (Portuguese) law in Angola.

(http://www.i.imgur.com/yHKJ0gS.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 14, 2015, 07:05:10 AM

Anecdote time. A slighty conservative (french tho, so a secular Republican statist through and through) friend of mine thinks Sanders is by far the only worthwhile candidate. Hillary's too much in bed with the establishment and Wall Street (which I get is the view of many Democrats).

Always a bit mind boggling to see the political gap between Europe and the USA.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 07:12:17 AM

I did that ISideWith quiz again last week and got this:
(http://i.imgur.com/w2goa2m.png)(http://i.imgur.com/COpufyf.png)

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2015, 11:08:03 AM

Your ideology...
Left-Wing Authoritarian

:rejoice

BTW like 90% of the questions on ISideWith are horrifying.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 14, 2015, 12:05:52 PM

It's missing the most important category, "Make America Great Again".

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2015, 12:12:37 PM

https://medium.com/middle-of-nowhere-center-of-everything/the-10-most-obnoxious-items-you-can-buy-on-a-campaign-website-8555c6c1e045

:dead :dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brob on October 14, 2015, 12:19:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 07:12:17 AM

I did that ISideWith quiz again last week and got this:
(http://i.imgur.com/w2goa2m.png)(http://i.imgur.com/COpufyf.png)

 :doge

(http://i.imgur.com/a6ERGBE.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 12:35:39 PM

Quote from: brob on October 14, 2015, 12:19:28 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/a6ERGBE.png)

:american Capitalism, Ho! :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 14, 2015, 12:37:33 PM

Never really occurred to me that some people legit carry a handbook size constitution on their person on the daily.

Weird.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 14, 2015, 12:45:47 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 14, 2015, 02:59:44 AM

Yeah MH, it's v. Foucauldian how violence inherent to the capitalist mode of production  (homelessness, for example) is just labeled something else even though it's violent.

there was a footnote I read the other day talking about bourdieu's field work in kayblie and I just thought for a minute how networks of power created by colonialism have possibly colored/created knowledge in the social sciences. Is it any coincidence that bourdieu, having been conscripted into the French armed forces, serving during the algerian war of independence, and educated/funded by public educational institutions in paris, chose a former french possession in which to conduct his ethnographic work? It's so Foucauldian friends.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Rufus on October 14, 2015, 12:46:01 PM

(https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*UPB_1XzONmw-EYlAwFUuyA.png)

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 12:53:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/YHx4saH.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 14, 2015, 01:43:07 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 14, 2015, 12:12:37 PM

https://medium.com/middle-of-nowhere-center-of-everything/the-10-most-obnoxious-items-you-can-buy-on-a-campaign-website-8555c6c1e045

:dead :dead :dead :dead

Rubio is paying his staffers $250/day? Where do I sign up?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2015, 01:44:57 PM

BENJI EXPLAIN

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-dumbass-livestreaming

Quote

"The third question, most popular question from Google is, 'Is Rand Paul still running for president?'" Paul said.

"And uh, I don't know -- wouldn't be doing this dumbass livestreaming if I weren't. So yes, I still am running for president. Get over it," he answered.

He then moved onto the question, "Where is Rand Paul in the polls?"

"This is not (sic) live, we can't edit this, right?" Paul asked in response.

edit: lulz

https://store.randpaul.com/index.php/rand-s-livestream-t-shirt.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 14, 2015, 01:56:06 PM

When life gives you dumbasses...?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9yGFfNYBQE

 :dead
These Taiwanese animators are the weirdest dudes.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2015, 02:19:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2015, 01:44:57 PM

BENJI EXPLAIN

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-dumbass-livestreaming

Quote

"The third question, most popular question from Google is, 'Is Rand Paul still running for president?'" Paul said.

"And uh, I don't know -- wouldn't be doing this dumbass livestreaming if I weren't. So yes, I still am running for president. Get over it," he answered.

He then moved onto the question, "Where is Rand Paul in the polls?"

"This is not (sic) live, we can't edit this, right?" Paul asked in response.

edit: lulz

https://store.randpaul.com/index.php/rand-s-livestream-t-shirt.html

FUCK IT, WE'LL DO IT LIVE! Wait, this isn't live is it?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 14, 2015, 02:51:17 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 14, 2015, 12:56:38 AM

The only thing I learned about Webb is that dude is hard as fuck.

"My greatest enemy was that motherfucker who lobbed a grenade at my ass, but I murdered him so... you're next Cooper"
 :bolo

The democrats have a battle hardened motherfucker as a candidate and the republican leader is a draft dodger.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Take My Breh Away on October 14, 2015, 03:07:23 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PyEwcmy.png)

:doge :doge :doge

AMERICA EXPLAIN

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/653856168402681856

:dead

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 14, 2015, 03:08:54 PM

What a time to be alive.
Rarest of pepes

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 14, 2015, 03:19:39 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 14, 2015, 12:45:47 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 14, 2015, 02:59:44 AM

Yeah MH, it's v. Foucauldian how violence inherent to the capitalist mode of production  (homelessness, for example) is just labeled something else even though it's violent.

there was a footnote I read the other day talking about bourdieu's field work in kayblie and I just thought for a minute how networks of power created by colonialism have possibly colored/created knowledge in the social sciences. Is it any coincidence that bourdieu, having been conscripted into the French armed forces, serving during the algerian war of independence, and educated/funded by public educational institutions in paris, chose a former french possession in which to conduct his ethnographic work? It's so Foucauldian friends.

:ohhh

I love you, man. :tocry

BTW, it's :lawd how we're having this discussion in the midst of a LOL GOP LOL MEMES Y'ALL struggle session. GW was right.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 03:30:08 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonkblog/wp/2015/10/14/8-questions-you-were-too-embarrassed-to-ask-about-democratic-socialism/

Quote

What is socialism?
What about Sanders's philosophy, democratic socialism?
Why aren't there more socialists in the United States?
What are some socialist things that I interact with in my daily life?
What do Americans think about socialism?
What's the difference between a democratic socialist and a Democrat such as Hillary Rodham Clinton?
Could democratic socialism work here?
What are some of the arguments against democratic socialism?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 14, 2015, 03:48:00 PM

No knowledge of Bourdieu but wouldn't his choice of Kabylie be also down to convenience of language and proximity ?

French Algeria was a fertile ground for human sciences. Historian Marc Ferro who specializes in colonisation was a teacher there.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brob on October 14, 2015, 03:56:04 PM

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/C/bo5059259.html

recommended reading on frenchies doing science in the colonies.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2015, 04:29:07 PM

How is Sander's democratic socialism different from Obama's kenyan socialism?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2015, 04:30:20 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2015, 04:29:07 PM

How is Sander's democratic socialism different from Obama's kenyan socialism?

...it's whiter?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 14, 2015, 05:06:37 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 14, 2015, 03:48:00 PM

language and proximity

neither of these are divorced from the networks of power that colonialism creates and maintains. "Choose" isn't a good word for the point I want to get across and I apologize. Bourdieu could have gone to Ethiopia and conducted similar work; he would probably still be as important in modern academia. The fact that the existing connections between the institutions he was working within (army/college) and the people they had previously educated/administered made it far more likely he would "choose" Algeria, Mozambique, or Laos is my point. That science (or if youre uncomfortable with calling soc/anthro a science and have no issue with the demarcation problem, understanding), which has a place in the western secular imagination as displaced and impartial observation, can be informed by disproportionate social relationships is a pretty good indicator of knowledge being shaped by power, which imo is the most indelible piece of Foucault's work, if not exactly tenable in his own writing.

I doubt bourdieu himself would entirely object to this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 14, 2015, 06:16:11 PM

I wasn't trying to rebuke you, just maybe formulating things in a more mundane way. It doesn't change the underlying point, certainly about language (Mozambique was a portuguese holding tho). That science, and especially social or human ones, went hand in hand with imperialism or colonisation (whatever you want to call the impulse) has been true at least as far back as the great maritime expeditions in the 18th century which helped scientists formulate most of the basis for racism (very much "a feature, not a bug" situation at the time contrary to the way we tend to phrase it today as an unfortunate, perverse phase).

Anyway there's no doubt that colonization, for ill and good, had a very deep influence on colonizing powers that last beyond the end of their dominion and the discardment of the whole White Man's burden notions.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 08:32:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzF2bdHIXcs

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz_V4lRdtjo

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2015, 11:48:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xI8c74X57MQ

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: thisismyusername on October 15, 2015, 12:42:29 AM

https://twitter.com/KStreetHipster/status/654460748219858946

What?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: brawndolicious on October 15, 2015, 02:08:39 AM

I think Clinton will easily win the nomination but her VP choice isn't something that I can be really sure about. Sanders probably would be too old to run again so he might be VP, and that would fit the Dave Chappelle "ya really don't wanna assassinate me" strategy.

But I think Trump will win a couple early states and that will throw the Republican primary in turmoil before we see an establishment rise up. I am not an expert* but I think the people who see establishments as the problem will converge on their most likely candidate and I don't see Trump losing enough steam while Carson and Fiorina continue not fitting the white male demographic.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*I really don't know shit.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 02:49:12 AM

I know the experts are all "TICKET BALANCE! YOUNG MINORITY! VIRGINIA! TOM KAINE!" etc. but I have a gut feeling that Hillary doesn't want a VP that could overshadow her like Palin to McCain, etc. And someone outside the Clinton circles? That's rough sailing too.

I'm thinking somebody like Tom Vilsack is right up her alley. Evan Bayh. Nice, safe, Midwestern Governor who's Clinton-friendly.

Maybe reach across the aisle and tap Rick Snyder? That one's free PD.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on October 15, 2015, 02:52:18 AM

She wouldn't pick Tim Kaine cause he might overshadow her?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 03:06:20 AM

No, sorry, I should have reworked that sentence. In that case I just don't get what's so great about him that they'd want each other. He supposedly has "serious executive experience" or something. But that makes me think more of a Cheney/Biden providing a wise hand to the inexperienced W./Obama on foreign policy/etc. Which, Hillary, in theory, doesn't need.

If he wanted to be President, getting re-elected in 2018 and then running in 2024 (or 2020 if the GOP wins) seems like a much smarter path than being locked in the VP slot for four to eight years doing nothing and tying yourself to a prior administration.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Mandark on October 15, 2015, 03:48:25 AM

Well, ambitious VPs have a much better success rate than Senators for getting the nomination.

It's odd to me when anyone suggests Tim Kaine as future presidential/VP material, since I think of him as basically having coasted in Mark Warner's wake, and Mark Warner is still right there.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 04:01:54 AM

They both have pretty shit rates at winning the Presidency in modern times though. :lol

I think Kaine is seen as more progressive and less dull than Warner. And he was on Obama's short list supposedly. Plus he speaks Spanish! But I agree with you in not getting it.

Tammy Baldwin's another one I don't get that has a kind of niche cult in progressive circles though I can see the surface appeal more than Kaine.

The Castro brothers and Cory Booker are some of the worst really putting the cart before the horse fan-picks.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 05:06:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SExMtNDS5hk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2015, 06:45:31 AM

I would select Lyndon LaRouche as VP. Get the party back to its FDR roots.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2015, 08:11:56 AM

Come on, we all know that Hillary is gonna pick her closet waifu, Huma Abedin, for VP.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 08:36:29 AM

What if Hillary picked...

Sarah Palin.

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2015, 09:09:44 AM

Hillary should pick Bill for VP.  :doge Or Michelle Obama for the ultimate troll on the right.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2015, 09:12:52 AM

Or better yet, the stem cell reanimated corpse of Saul Alinsky.  :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 09:37:02 AM

Reverend Wright.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 15, 2015, 09:37:38 AM

Al Gore pls

or Brian Schweitzer

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 15, 2015, 10:24:00 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 08:36:29 AM

What if Hillary picked...

Sarah Palin.

Well, Palin is a woman and therefore a Washington outsider...:doge

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2015, 11:08:07 AM

Ali Khamenei

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Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 11:14:49 AM

Former Ambassador Chris Stevens

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 15, 2015, 12:56:47 PM

Huckabee: pro-slavery ✅

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/15/3712684/mike-huckabee-slavery/

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 15, 2015, 12:57:26 PM

I was talking to one of my business partner's wife the other night.  She's Mexican, successful and a big Hillary supporter.  When I asked her about Bernie Sanders she said straight up "they're the same white guys who have been telling brown people they know what's best for them since the sixties".

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 15, 2015, 01:34:39 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2015, 11:08:07 AM

Ali Khamenei

That would appeal to the conservatives that want an establishment candidate and those who want  one that hasn't won a popular election.

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 15, 2015, 02:02:01 PM

For some reason Jeb! can't stop mentioning the Redskins.  Apparently it's a regular part of his speeches now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2015, 02:20:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 15, 2015, 02:02:01 PM

For some reason Jeb! can't stop mentioning the Redskins.  Apparently it's a regular part of his speeches now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/)

It's like he's baiting the media/decent people so he can go on a rant about "political correctness."

Hey guys, this country slaughtered Native Americans in every conceivable way including small pox blankets. Today they're regulated to living in reservations with horrendous health and living conditions. The least you can fucking do is not use racial slurs about them today.

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Post by: curly on October 15, 2015, 03:26:27 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 15, 2015, 12:56:47 PM

Huckabee: pro-slavery ✅

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/15/3712684/mike-huckabee-slavery/

But prisoners are already slaves

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Post by: studyguy on October 15, 2015, 03:44:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 15, 2015, 02:02:01 PM

For some reason Jeb! can't stop mentioning the Redskins.  Apparently it's a regular part of his speeches now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/15/jeb-bush-has-added-the-redskins-to-his-stump-speech/)

They gave him a cold $100 grand. (http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/fecimg/?201508079000809194)
I'd imagine he'd go up to bat for them on that alone.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2015, 09:29:59 PM

Lindsey Graham: Democratic Debate “Made Me Sick” (http://"http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/lindsey-graham-democratic-debate-made-me-sick#.ht8enKA2M")

Quote

“It made me sick,” Graham, who is running for the Republican presidential nomination, said when asked by Tony Perkins of the Family Research Council’s Washington Watch radio show.

“It makes me feel so sad that the Democratic Party has dropped so far when it comes to defending the nation,” Graham continued.

Singling out the Democratic presidential contenders as weak isolationists, Graham said America’s enemies would be hoping the Democrats took the White House.

“If I were ISIL, the ayatollah, Assad I would be pulling for the Democrats because their foreign policy is leading further from behind than Obama,” Graham said. “Bernie Sanders would shut down the NSA program so we couldn’t detect the next terrorist attack. Everybody had an isolationist, disengagement policy regarding radical islam.”

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Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2015, 07:22:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EovzA6hejtM

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Post by: brob on October 16, 2015, 07:36:31 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/15/jeb-wants-a-recession-in-d-c-having-forgotten-that-real-people-live-there.html

Jeb! is really leaning into this Washington is Bad thing much harder than I would expect from a Bush. Are there any republicans who will see this (and that "I think 'washington' is the pejorative in washington redskins" bit) and not think of Jeb! as exactly the kind of washington politician he is railing against?

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2015, 11:33:16 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/huffpost-yougov-poll-democratic-debate_56203935e4b06462a13b8449 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/huffpost-yougov-poll-democratic-debate_56203935e4b06462a13b8449)

Seems Hillary crushed the debate.  Bernie fans are going to go more into Ron Paul fan territory now.

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Post by: studyguy on October 16, 2015, 11:49:18 AM

Bernie's entire strategy revolves around increasing voter turnout dramatically enough to transform Facebook likes, youtube views and retweets into actual votes. It's never gonna happen.

The internet can circle jerk all it likes but it's all talk right now and nothing else.

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2015, 11:53:39 AM

Also the internet thinks Bernie can usher in an era of European style socialism forgetting that a democratically controlled congress, senate, and president could only eke out a healthcare plan that was the brainchild of a rightwing thinktank.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2015, 11:58:18 AM

Shit's gonna be really unbearable if he wins one or both of Iowa/NH, and I'm pretty sure he's gonna win NH at the very least. I say this as someone that prefers Bernie to Hillary and plans on voting for him in GA's primary, but goddamn are his fans obnoxious.

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Post by: tiesto on October 16, 2015, 12:13:54 PM

I'm definitely voting in the primary for Sanders even though my state is gonna be near-unanimous Hillary, but sadly he's about 20 years too early for mainstream America. Best I can hope for is he'll influence Hillary to move at least bit further left.

Still am putting money on Bush/Rubio vs. Hillary, with Hillary winning. Though I don't know who her veep will be.

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 16, 2015, 12:39:52 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 16, 2015, 11:49:18 AM

but it's all talk right now and nothing else

I'm starting to think this was the entire point of bernies campaign

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2015, 12:42:02 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/fox-news-terrorism-expert-arrested-for-pretending-to-be-cia/6859576 (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-16/fox-news-terrorism-expert-arrested-for-pretending-to-be-cia/6859576)

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 16, 2015, 12:45:29 PM

Goddamnit, this guy just won't stop running for office in Florida, will he? Dude. You lost to fucking Voldemort. Time to pack it in already and become a lobbyist.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charlie-crist-running-congress

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2015, 01:25:18 PM

Honestly Bernie can probably win Iowa or NH, maybe both. He's doing pretty well in polls there. But once things open up to browner states he's finished.

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 16, 2015, 02:34:23 PM

I wish the WSJ didn't have such a garbage editorial page because their reporting is top notch.  i mean, it looks like they're going to take down a nine billion dollar startup with one story:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/theranos-has-struggled-with-blood-tests-1444881901 (http://www.wsj.com/articles/theranos-has-struggled-with-blood-tests-1444881901)

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Post by: Oblivion on October 16, 2015, 03:30:47 PM

Quote

       @JebBush: How pathetic for @realdonaldtrump to criticize the president for 9/11. We were attacked & my brother kept us safe.

The guy just does not give a shit.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2015, 05:51:53 PM

Biden's not running.

The FBI won't press charges.

Bernie's not getting the nomination.

There, I just saved us a few pages of pointless back and forth.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2015, 06:57:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfkYfPNckIM

 :doge
 :doge
 :doge
 :doge
 :doge :doge :doge

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Post by: Trent Dole on October 16, 2015, 07:23:33 PM

https://vine.co/v/ettLTAnbpI2
JEB!

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Post by: BrokenVerses on October 16, 2015, 10:49:26 PM

No @JebBush, you’re pathetic for saying nothing happened during your brother’s term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/655193907031056384

 :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2015, 10:51:17 PM

Quote from: Viconia DeVir on October 16, 2015, 10:49:26 PM

No @JebBush, you’re pathetic for saying nothing happened during your brother’s term when the World Trade Center was attacked and came down.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/655193907031056384

 :whoo

(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/522a2049e4b0a0ce717e990c/t/529cf8b7e4b05681be287750/1386019151379/)

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Post by: Barry Egan on October 17, 2015, 10:17:48 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2015, 06:57:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfkYfPNckIM

 :doge
 :doge
 :doge
 :doge
 :doge :doge :doge

this is some real low-energy shit.  He looks completely fed up with campaigning.  And now he's going to be spending his time defending his brother from 9/11 happening on his watch.  This has been a totally misguided campaign from the start.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2015, 10:33:28 AM

Quote from: Barry Egan on October 17, 2015, 10:17:48 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 16, 2015, 06:57:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfkYfPNckIM

 :doge
 :doge
 :doge
 :doge
 :doge :doge :doge

this is some real low-energy shit.  He looks completely fed up with campaigning.  And now he's going to be spending his time defending his brother from 9/11 happening on his watch.  This has been a totally misguided campaign from the start.

"CBS This Morning" questionnaire's fill-in-the-blank: "If I could ask one other candidate one question..."

Jeb Bush's handwritten response: "Why don't you like me? :)"

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2015/10/16/b58a40ba-8e06-4dc6-9d39-92f3008a5152/aea52682cb13b9d15176a8a6e24ee776/jeb-bush-cbs-news-handwritten-questionnaire-620px.jpg)

[close]

(http://i.imgur.com/jBsJadB.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Barry Egan on October 17, 2015, 02:34:14 PM

wrap it up Bernieailures

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRieVybWUAApz1C.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 18, 2015, 05:27:56 PM

Bernie will win the primary in states with higher proportions of German and Scandinavian Americans.  So he will sweep Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, the Dakotas, Vermont, New Hampshire, and nothing else.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 18, 2015, 08:37:53 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on October 17, 2015, 02:34:14 PM

wrap it up Bernieailures

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRieVybWUAApz1C.jpg)

Who is this supposed to be targeting?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 18, 2015, 11:16:01 PM

I can't help but feel that someday soon Webb is going to say, "Wait, I'm running for the DEMOCRACTIC presidential nomination? Fuck!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 19, 2015, 06:40:49 AM

Another day, another shooting in the USA  :-\

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 19, 2015, 11:28:25 AM

In donations from "real people", Hillary and Bernie neck and neck (though Bernie leads small donations). Republicans unsurprisingly do not represent real people:

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/graphics/2015-october-fec-filings/charts/

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 12:24:39 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/tapper-to-bush-if-george-w-wasnt-responsible-for-911-how-do-you-blame-hillary-for-benghazi/

Quote

“You don’t want to have your brother to bear responsibility for 9/11, but why are the terrorists not the ones who are responsible for these attacks in Libya,” Tapper asked. “How do you make the jump that President Obama and Secretary Clinton are responsible for what happened at Benghazi?”

(http://i.imgur.com/Sk1GHHf.png)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2015, 01:41:14 PM

Jeb's main foreign policy adviser, folks
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRr5dcWWUAAQ-hc.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 19, 2015, 01:45:32 PM

History is telling a story alright.  ::)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2015, 01:48:46 PM

Does he call his brother Bush?  Also 'mostly just killing Muslims'  :dead

edit:  O thought that was Jeb not an advisor. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 02:19:07 PM

Bush kept the Muslims from killing Muslims by killing Muslims. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 02:54:16 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/10/fox-friends-freaks-out-over-black-captain-america-its-a-plot-to-target-conservatives

(http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png)

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Post by: tiesto on October 19, 2015, 03:55:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 02:19:07 PM

Bush kept the Muslims from killing Muslims by killing Muslims. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

It's kind of like the plot to Mass Effect 3!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 19, 2015, 04:11:20 PM

Quote from: tiesto on October 19, 2015, 03:55:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 02:19:07 PM

Bush kept the Muslims from killing Muslims by killing Muslims. It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for him.

It's kind of like the plot to Mass Effect 3!

The ending to this won't make anyone happy either :'(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2015, 04:16:11 PM

Which ending?

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Post by: Rufus on October 19, 2015, 04:23:27 PM

I think that would be the red one? Not sure.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 06:09:52 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mo-brooks-hillary-clinton-impeachment

Quote

"In my judgement, with respect to Hillary Clinton, she will be a unique president if she is elected by the public next November," he added. "Because the day she's sworn in is the day that she's subject to impeachment because she has committed high crimes and misdemeanors."

Seems legit.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2015, 06:32:02 PM

I've been telling my mom for 7 years that Obama's race isn't the dominant issue in terms of why he is disrespected, or the insane level of obstruction he has faced. Hillary is going to be savaged from day one - hell, before day one. The race aspect is moreso about who their policies benefit - or who it's perceived their policy benefits. They did the same thing to Bill, and Carter. And JFK to an extent.

If Hillary follows through on her plan to go farther than Obama has on executive orders I wouldn't be stunned at all if she's impeached. Especially with Boehner not there to offer the safer/better "let Bush appointed judges do our dirty work" option? Oh man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2015, 09:23:17 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 18, 2015, 11:16:01 PM

I can't help but feel that someday soon Webb is going to say, "Wait, I'm running for the DEMOCRACTIC presidential nomination? Fuck!"

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/19/politics/jim-webb-independent-campaign-2016/index.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2015, 09:46:38 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 19, 2015, 06:30:09 PM

Republicans refusing to acknowledge any Democratic president as legitimate is getting pretty troublesome, tbh.

There is only one step left after hatred.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2015, 02:47:11 PM

lol Jeb!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jeb-bush-donald-trump-monmouth-poll

Quote

Bush, the establishment GOP's long-anointed pick for nominee, polled at just 5 percent, barely edging out former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who each polled at 4 percent.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2015, 03:47:46 PM

I like to think that centuries from now, if man is still alive and woman can survive, that Trump trolling the fuck out of JEB! on Twitter will be one of the defining moments in 21st Century American politics.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2015, 04:31:15 PM

There will be screen shots of twitter hanging in history museums and in the future there will be lots of museums because out molemen overlords have a keen interest in our past stupidities.   

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2015, 05:10:18 PM

Looks like Jeb's team decided on the counteroffensive to the 9/11 criticism:

Quote

"One is a threat that has to be taken out, as it relates to creating a strategy that calls it a war. Or we view it as a law enforcement operation, where people have rights. I think the Clinton administration made a mistake, of thinking bin Laden had to be viewed from a law enforcement perspective. Similarly, President Obama's policies seem to be focused on that as well."

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2015, 05:20:04 PM

Real talk, Jeb! sort of seems like he's taking painkillers.  Any record of a back injury?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2015, 05:21:55 PM

Well, given the current state of law enforcement...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 20, 2015, 05:24:26 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 20, 2015, 05:10:18 PM

Looks like Jeb's team decided on the counteroffensive to the 9/11 criticism:

Quote

"One is a threat that has to be taken out, as it relates to creating a strategy that calls it a war. Or we view it as a law enforcement operation, where people have rights. I think the Clinton administration made a mistake, of thinking bin Laden had to be viewed from a law enforcement perspective. Similarly, President Obama's policies seem to be focused on that as well."

:neogaf

Well, shooting brown people in the eye is a very US law enforcement thing to do, I suppose.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2015, 09:02:27 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-ryan-speaker-unity-candidate

tl;dr version: Ryan will accept the speakership if everyone agrees to HIS terms, and he's not playing your House Freedumb Caucus shit of government by shutdown. So, good luck with that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2015, 09:24:01 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CRzUOAuU8AARnr5.png)
holy shit these people are insane

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Oblivion on October 20, 2015, 10:11:29 PM

Come on, guys. This ain't funny anymore.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Yeti on October 20, 2015, 11:53:33 PM

Oh yes it is! Lordy, my sides hurt!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2015, 12:00:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmwGAd1L-o

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Take My Breh Away on October 21, 2015, 12:27:55 PM

Joe Biden isn't running for office in 2016

The death of Joe Biden Onion articles :stahp

www.theonion.com/tag/joseph-biden

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2015, 12:40:58 PM

i don't...why did any of that happen

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2015, 02:05:12 PM

Alec Baldwin does not suck.  30 Rock is one of the best things in life.  Dufus why is your taste so questionable? 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2015, 02:05:24 PM

SNL is really really bad though

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2015, 02:28:52 PM

House Freedom Caucus has a sad that Paul Ryan doesn't want to govern by hostage taking

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/house-freedom-caucus-paul-ryan-skepticism

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 21, 2015, 02:39:28 PM

It's incredible how resistant the party has become to actually governing

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 21, 2015, 03:07:05 PM

What are the chances of the GOP losing the house next election?

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 21, 2015, 03:15:57 PM

Very slim.  Unless they actually default, but then it won't matter.

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Post by: Mandark on October 21, 2015, 04:11:04 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 21, 2015, 02:04:07 PM

Just fucking do your Steinbrenner impression jewboy.

 :larry

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 21, 2015, 04:22:35 PM

Now, here's a Jew that's always wrong, amirite???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bill-kristol-joe-biden_5627bd55e4b02f6a900efe19

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Post by: Tasty on October 21, 2015, 05:25:19 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 21, 2015, 02:04:07 PM

And the girl playing Hillary Clinton is pretty damn cute :lawd

(http://i.imgur.com/QVkk84o.gif)

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Post by: Trent Dole on October 21, 2015, 06:20:07 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 21, 2015, 03:07:05 PM

What are the chances of the GOP losing the house next election?

Since many of the districts are gerrymandered as fuck, not very high.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2015, 08:31:28 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 21, 2015, 05:25:19 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 21, 2015, 02:04:07 PM

And the girl playing Hillary Clinton is pretty damn cute :lawd

(http://i.imgur.com/QVkk84o.gif)

she looks like that one dude from Twin Peaks.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 02:52:14 PM

yup Bobby  :doge

also
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/10/22/the-new-dark-horse-in-the-gop-race/?postshare=4931445539767470

the GOAT at being wrong. Well, outside of Kristol.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2015, 03:06:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 02:52:14 PM

yup Bobby  :doge

also
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/10/22/the-new-dark-horse-in-the-gop-race/?postshare=4931445539767470

the GOAT at being wrong. Well, outside of Kristol.

I like how all these articles about flailing establishment candidates are all like "hey don't worry, this guy could be the next McCain!" like that's the high water mark that everyone's shooting for.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 22, 2015, 04:13:28 PM

Benghazi hearing is happening RIGHT NOW. Can you find Benghazi on a map without labels? I studied the Middle East in college and was still 280 miles off:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/can-you-find-benghazi/

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Post by: studyguy on October 22, 2015, 04:29:38 PM

These CSPAN callers  :lol :lol :lol :lol

 WAKE UP END ABORTIONS END SAME SEX MARR- :lucas

"Thank you for your call."  :larry

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Post by: VomKriege on October 22, 2015, 05:19:55 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 22, 2015, 04:13:28 PM

Benghazi hearing is happening RIGHT NOW. Can you find Benghazi on a map without labels? I studied the Middle East in college and was still 280 miles off:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/can-you-find-benghazi/

You were 186 miles away. You’re a geography wizard. :lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 05:22:43 PM

You were 1,486 miles away from the terrorist attack.

Smack dab in Saudi Arabia. I guess I'm half right then.  :doge

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2015, 05:26:08 PM

380 miles away. At least I was in Libya.

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Post by: Kara on October 22, 2015, 06:09:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2015, 05:26:08 PM

380 miles away. At least I was in Libya.

Bar trivia #lifehack, if it's a relevant city it's probably near a body of water.

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Post by: studyguy on October 22, 2015, 06:14:45 PM

I can't understand these C-SPAN callers half the time.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2015, 06:18:16 PM

Only 220 miles off the mark.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2015, 06:25:25 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 22, 2015, 06:09:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2015, 05:26:08 PM

380 miles away. At least I was in Libya.

Bar trivia #lifehack, if it's a relevant city it's probably near a body of water.

But this is Benghazi, and we all know it's not relevant.

:smug

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Post by: Kara on October 22, 2015, 06:27:02 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2015, 06:25:25 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 22, 2015, 06:09:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 22, 2015, 05:26:08 PM

380 miles away. At least I was in Libya.

Bar trivia #lifehack, if it's a relevant city it's probably near a body of water.

But this is Benghazi, and we all know it's not relevant.

:smug

Wow dude, way to disrespect Vilerat. SMH.

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 22, 2015, 06:28:59 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 22, 2015, 05:19:55 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 22, 2015, 04:13:28 PM

Benghazi hearing is happening RIGHT NOW. Can you find Benghazi on a map without labels? I studied the Middle East in college and was still 280 miles off:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/can-you-find-benghazi/

You were 186 miles away. You’re a geography wizard. :lol

You were 164 miles away. You’re a geography wizard.

Not that I'm trying to brag or anything.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I saw it on a map on CNN back when NATO started airstrikes.

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Post by: curly on October 22, 2015, 06:43:25 PM

49 miles away  :smug :smug :smug

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Post by: El Babua on October 22, 2015, 07:57:48 PM

368

I thought Libya was on the west coast of north Africa for the longest time.

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 22, 2015, 08:18:02 PM

The Sidney Blumenthal must be some weird thing in right wing circles that is talking to a very small segment of their base right?  Like some e-mail chain type shit?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 09:12:27 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 22, 2015, 08:18:02 PM

The Sidney Blumenthal must be some weird thing in right wing circles that is talking to a very small segment of their base right?  Like some e-mail chain type shit?

Saul Alinsky  :doge
Frank Marshall Davis  :doge
George Soros  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2015, 10:52:17 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CR90Rc9WEAAGQ47.png:large)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2015, 11:18:16 PM

Which one is Libya and which one is Lebanon again? 

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Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2015, 11:35:18 PM

Quote

You were 10 miles away. You're a geography wizard.

Why am I in the same category as some 150+ mile away dope?!?

You should get bonus points if you land on the CIA Annex.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I knew it was on Libya's toethumb, almost picked the top side tho.

View everything through the geography of Michigan yo.

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Post by: Kara on October 22, 2015, 11:36:56 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 22, 2015, 11:18:16 PM

Which one is Libya and which one is Lebanon again?

Lebanon is one man surrounded by lots of jealous women.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This is an :expert joke from the Lebanese Civil War based on the dumb gender rules for countries in Arabic.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2015, 11:42:39 PM

What I don't understand about Benghazi is that if you're a a decedent of a freed african slaves who then enslaved the real africans, why would you want to attack the embassy of your mother country? 

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Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2015, 11:54:42 PM

Quote

“Donald Trump Is Doomed and/or Invincible”—headline, FiveThirtyEight.com, Oct. 20

why are half of their articles chat transcripts anymore

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Post by: Kara on October 23, 2015, 02:12:56 AM

Good thing the electoral process won't punish them for it one iota. :marimo

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Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 02:18:14 AM

Lincoln Chafee might be dropping out Friday morning.

Path is being cleared for Al Gore for sure.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 02:19:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2PLNngNtQc

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Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 02:53:22 AM

Only because the liberul media will spin it to look like she was taking it seriously.

When she clearly wasn't. (http://www.tmz.com/2015/10/22/hillary-clinton-katy-perry-concert-benghazi-hearings/)

Quote

Hillary Clinton was dealing with some pretty heavy issues Thursday at the Benghazi hearings, but when she took a break she was in Katy Perry mode.

During the break you can hear Hillary ask a guy named Dave if he'll be coming to the Katy Perry concert this weekend. It's unclear if she knew her voice would be picked up on an ABC News microphone.

Hillary's throwing a campaign event in Iowa Saturday where Katy will perform.

Dave hopes to go.

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Post by: Oblivion on October 23, 2015, 04:09:14 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 22, 2015, 04:13:28 PM

Benghazi hearing is happening RIGHT NOW. Can you find Benghazi on a map without labels? I studied the Middle East in college and was still 280 miles off:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/can-you-find-benghazi/

Quote

You were 633 miles away. Not bad, but not good, either.

 :shaq2

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2015, 07:51:21 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 23, 2015, 02:54:38 AM

I think I finally encountered that crazy right-wing dude Steve Contra says posts on his Facebook feed.

Contra's right wing Facebook friend is The Bore's Cousin Jeffrey.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 08:22:51 AM

Quote

Democratic presidential candidate Lincoln Chafee, always a long-shot, dropped out of the race for his party's nomination on Friday morning.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2015, 09:23:04 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 08:22:51 AM

Quote

Democratic presidential candidate Lincoln Chafee, always a long-shot, dropped out of the race for his party's nomination on Friday morning.

"Goodbye forever!"

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Post by: tiesto on October 23, 2015, 09:40:01 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 22, 2015, 04:13:28 PM

Benghazi hearing is happening RIGHT NOW. Can you find Benghazi on a map without labels? I studied the Middle East in college and was still 280 miles off:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/can-you-find-benghazi/

41 miles off, I was on the coast like directly south of it. Maps/geography/capitals are one of my sperging out points though.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2015, 09:52:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/wCJacMl.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2015, 09:55:22 AM

Nervous Trey?

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2015, 10:38:13 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 23, 2015, 02:54:38 AM

I think I finally encountered that crazy right-wing dude Steve Contra says posts on his Facebook feed.

You found him!  There's one more though but he doesn't post as much anymore now that's he in a business where most people are librulz.

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2015, 10:51:03 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 23, 2015, 10:38:13 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 23, 2015, 02:54:38 AM

I think I finally encountered that crazy right-wing dude Steve Contra says posts on his Facebook feed.

You found him!  There's one more though but he doesn't post as much anymore now that's he in a business where most people are librulz.

The amount of internalized seething rage.... :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 23, 2015, 10:56:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 02:19:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2PLNngNtQc

Quite a difference from Hillary throwing her arms up and yelling, "What difference does it make?!" a couple years ago. Her poise was impressive. Regardless of what they were saying (most people would be lost in the details I think) she wins because she didn't appeared excited or flustered like those on the panel. I had a State Department security contractor overseas once tell me that no matter what is happening around you or to you, remember your ABCs: always be cool. She nailed it.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2015, 11:09:30 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 22, 2015, 08:18:02 PM

The Sidney Blumenthal must be some weird thing in right wing circles that is talking to a very small segment of their base right?  Like some e-mail chain type shit?

Sidney Blumenthal is the Mena Airport of Benghazi.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 11:21:48 AM

Quote

Jeb Bush on Friday ordered across-the-board pay cuts to his struggling presidential campaign.

Staffers were informed of the news of a Friday conference call.

On the call, staffers were informed that job functions would change for some and that there would be across the board pay cuts.

One person on the Friday morning staff call said they were left with the impression that "very few people will be left in Miami."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2015, 11:31:32 AM

Meh Miami doesn't matter when you know how to rig Florida elections. 

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2015, 12:20:47 PM

Jeb! not looking so good.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-23/jeb-bush-orders-across-the-board-pay-cuts-for-struggling-campaign (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-23/jeb-bush-orders-across-the-board-pay-cuts-for-struggling-campaign)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2015, 01:27:59 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 23, 2015, 01:13:13 PM

Right wing sites are rallying the troops with the fact that Hillary did call the terrorist attack a terrorist attack in an email to Chelsea. Bombshell revelation that.

It's actually kind of sad to see them grasping at straws like this.

they're still fighting a battle Romney lost on national television 3 years ago
:dead

"Check the tape"
:obama

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2015, 01:34:37 PM

They're convinced Benghazi was the real reason Obama won, and that if only the public knew the truth it'd be all over for Hillary.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2015, 01:43:56 PM

Yup. I remember quite a bit of right wing fantaszing about a repeat of 1980, IE weak incumbant president leading in polls all summer until a foreign policy disaster shifts things to the strong republican candidate. Nevermind that their 1980 timeline is fucked, they really thought Benghazi was the culmination of all their hopes.

Remember Romney coming out for that abrupt, pathetic statement on the night of the attack? scust...

Yea Benghazi was a sad situation but anyone who thinks it would change an election is stupid. Nevermind the fact that these republicans know it was basically a CIA fuck up and the White House/State Department can't tell people exactly what happened because it'll be classified for decades.

Just think in 40 years when they learn the truth. "bububububu Governor Malia Obama, we now know your father's CIA was selling weapons to rebels, and planned to funnel them through Turkey. The deal went bad and a firefight ensued. Where were you on the night of September 11, 2012, and why should we trust you can be our next commander in chief  :doge "

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 23, 2015, 01:44:03 PM

Right after the Benghazi thing happened in that debate, someone had an article that posited that Romney believed that despite the easily viewed evidence to the contrary simply because so many RWNJ websites/commentators were making such an issue of it that it had to be true.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2015, 01:52:39 PM

you lost beforehand Mitt, but this is when you really lost. Benghazi wasn't gonna save you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWjE5rtYOoo
:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2015, 01:53:06 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2015, 09:52:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/wCJacMl.jpg)

This is the real Presidential Debate, and it's JFK v. Nixon outchea. Hillary looks presidential, the GOP looks like clown shoes.

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 23, 2015, 01:59:05 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 23, 2015, 12:20:47 PM

Jeb! not looking so good.

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-23/jeb-bush-orders-across-the-board-pay-cuts-for-struggling-campaign (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-23/jeb-bush-orders-across-the-board-pay-cuts-for-struggling-campaign)

(http://i.imgur.com/58wQzSp.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2015, 04:08:41 PM

I've always thought of it more like

Jeb :kobeyuck

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 23, 2015, 04:19:51 PM

The Republicans taking some serious Ls this week:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151023/us-irs-investigation-11e1446376.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151023/us-irs-investigation-11e1446376.html)

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 23, 2015, 04:21:57 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 23, 2015, 04:19:51 PM

The Republicans taking some serious Ls this week:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151023/us-irs-investigation-11e1446376.html (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151023/us-irs-investigation-11e1446376.html)

a quality Friday 2:59 PM news dump

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2015, 04:22:34 PM

It's almost as if the last 7 years were just lies and manufactured outrage.   :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 23, 2015, 05:17:42 PM

my favorite thing about the right wing guy on Contra's wall is how he claims the Benghazi hearing will "swift boat" Hillary

I agree this is a good metaphor! but probably not for the same reasons!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2015, 05:23:52 PM

But what does Right Wing Guy On Contra's Wall think about Hillary's health and inevitable exit from the race

Quote

WASH POST COVERS UP HILLARY HYPO
Fri Oct 23 2015 16:41:45 ET

The WASHINGTON POST on Friday declared Hillary Clinton does not suffer from hypothyroidism -- even though her own doctor says she does!

Symptoms of low thyroid function include: Fatigue, hoarseness and impaired memory.

Reporter Phillip Bump, consulting with his own doctor, Philip Weintraub, diagnosed Clinton as having 'normal thyroid function' based on her Benghazi performance.

But Hillary's internist revealed in August how the Dem front-runner's medical conditions 'include hypothyroidism.'

Clinton takes a daily dose of dried and crushed pig glands for treatment.

Hillary's health was once again in the spotlight during the final hours of the Benghazi hearing on Thursday. A serious coughing fit raised eyebrows, along with slow body movements and labored breathing.

The canidiate claims she was 'meditating' during breaks.

http://drudgereport.com/now.htm
:drudge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2015, 05:35:22 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 23, 2015, 04:22:34 PM

It's almost as if the last 7 years were just lies and manufactured outrage.   :ohhh

Are you telling me Americans don't actually care about:

-how the DEA justifies its existence with excessive policing
-how 501(c) status is vetted
-the murder of CIA agents abroad

Because wow, wake up sheeperson.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 23, 2015, 05:54:41 PM

daily dose of dried and crushed pig glands

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 23, 2015, 07:34:38 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 23, 2015, 07:21:23 PM

Would love to punch the author of this piece hard in the mouth.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426004/hillary-clinton-benghazi-hearing (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426004/hillary-clinton-benghazi-hearing)

Quote

While she’s not as charismatic as her husband, she does share his greatest political gift — the ability to persuade millions of Americans to not just accept but defend truly reprehensible, indefensible conduct.

Quote

Various scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War estimated that between 151,000 to over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time. A later study, published in 2011, estimated that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion. Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants.

truly reprehensible, indefensible conduct

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Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 07:43:16 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/philadelphia-76ers-throw-shade-presidential-candidate-john-kasich/story?id=34679991

Quote

Speaking today a small town hall in Manchester, New Hampshire, Kasich said he ran into the basketball team at his hotel this morning.

"How did I know who they were?” he said. “They were really tall, okay.”

He told the business-focused crowd about the importance of job skills, then jokingly added that the 76ers haven’t had too many skills of their own lately.

"The reason why some of them make a lot of money is because they have skills,” he said. "Not too many Sixers have had that many skills lately, but they do."

(http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/ht_76ers_Tweet_03_hb_1510223_4x3_992.jpg)

 :bolo :umad :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 07:45:20 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 23, 2015, 07:34:38 PM

Quote

Various scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War estimated that between 151,000 to over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time. A later study, published in 2011, estimated that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion. Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants.

truly reprehensible, indefensible conduct

Hey buddy, that's less than were supposedly dying under sanctions. Another notch for America's rifle stock!  :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 23, 2015, 09:08:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTH0V6jtxM4

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Post by: Kara on October 23, 2015, 09:15:39 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 23, 2015, 07:45:20 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 23, 2015, 07:34:38 PM

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Various scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War estimated that between 151,000 to over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time. A later study, published in 2011, estimated that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion. Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants.

truly reprehensible, indefensible conduct

Hey buddy, that's less than were supposedly dying under sanctions. Another notch for America's rifle stock!  :american

The day I realized that my government had been killing Iraqi people for most of my life was one of those metaphorical gut punches.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 23, 2015, 11:27:56 PM

Why do you do this to yourself, Walrus?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2015, 11:45:58 PM

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Jeb Bush “will attend a finance meeting this weekend in Houston convened by former President George H. W. Bush and attended by Bush’s brother, former President George W. Bush,” CBS News has learned.

“The session, designed to assess where Bush’s candidacy stands in the face of large-scale staff cutbacks and underwhelming poll numbers, will also be attended by Bush’s mother, Barbara Bush. The governor’s campaign confirmed the meeting will be held Sunday and Monday.”

http://politicalwire.com/2015/10/23/bush-to-hunker-down-with-family-to-assess-bid/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=venzPNvge18

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 23, 2015, 11:53:27 PM

I've seen it said it is because Jeb doesn't have the family courtesy of a Clinton or Obama family to clean his shit up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Oblivion on October 24, 2015, 12:18:25 AM

You know, the craziest thing about the Benghazi Witch Project was that Gowdy and his idiot colleagues seemed legitimately shocked that they fucked up so bad. I mean, really? You goons had no organization, no coordination, no actual fucking points to any of the shit that you brought up, including the "new" evidence, which in many cases wasn't new at all, but rather re-packaged to appear new. And yet you goobers are shocked that you weren't able to get Hillary to confess that she ordered the hit on Ambassador Stevens?

This reminds of that other wonderful moment in politics where Diamond Joe went up against the golden Boy of the GOP during the debates. After having his balls washed by not just Republicans, but mainstream pundits and commentators as well, for being the premiere "serious thinker" of the Republican party, Paul Ryan really did seem to fool himself into thinking that he was in fact the teenage prodigy that everyone held him up to be. And so the boy genius went into the debates thinking that he would easily make short work of the buffanooish Vice President, only to realize that while speaking in complete sentences might have qualified him to be considered "gifted" among Republicans, it would do him no favors against anyone outside that sphere. He learned that while he could brag about being the tallest midget, at the end of the day, he was still a midget.

And I feel that that's what happened during the lead up to the hearing yesterday. Republicans (once again) fooled themselves into thinking that the reason they hadn't caught Hillary was not because they didn't have squat on her, but because Darrel Issa was doing an incompetent job investigating her. So this Trey Gowdy jackass comes onto the scene and Republicans and the mainstream media start praising him as the "serious" and "competent" prosecutor with years of experience who would be able to succeed where Issa failed. Just like with Ryan, Gowdy probably let this newfound laudation go to his head, and probably figured he'd have Hillary in handcuffs before lunchtime.

Of course, also like Ryan, Gowdy failed to realize that a flat earther with a PhD in geology, is still, in fact a flat-earther.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2015, 01:52:10 AM

On one hand I want to say they were prepared and there was clear organization and plotting going on, from the fundraising to the steady leak of information. But the actual main event was a dud. It was like giving good post fight interviews and then getting knocked out in the first round.

The problem with a lot of this shit is that it's clear republicans are still taking marching orders from the base, who still believes Clinton not only let four Anericans die, she watched it all on a live feed. These people are insane and facts do not penetrate them, yet elected officials continue to cater to them. A lot of the questions reminded me of officials who say Obama doesn't understand America. Without outright saying it, they're affirming views of the base: Obama isn't American, hates America, and is not a legitimate president. Likewise the insinuations in that hearing were based on equally insane base views on Clinton: she let our boys die, she didn't care, she covered it up, etc. How can you possibly operate while giving that nonsense so much credence?

BTW these people people she'll have to work with when/if she becomes president. Nothing is gonna get done....

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 24, 2015, 01:53:40 AM

I wasn't going to vote for Hillary Clinton, but now that I know that she values life in a logical manner (i.e. prioritizing persons without secure access to life's essentials over Americans employed in the public sector) I just might do so.

And I thought ISideWith was bonkers for saying I had more in common with the Democratic Party than the Socialist even though I said the banking and energy sectors of the economy should be nationalized. :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 24, 2015, 02:20:03 AM

that Planned Parenthood inquisition went pretty much the same way.

Fer crying out loud. I'm liberal and I could have posited more damaging questions for Hilary and PP then those morons came up with. People like this almost make you appreciate Cheney and co., they might have been evil, but at least they weren't stupid and evil.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2015, 02:21:39 AM

To further the boxing metaphor, this was the first Liston vs. Ali fight all over again. The media had invested in the narrative of the establishment champ- Gowdy was a tough prosecutor, Clinton had serial ethics issues, etc etc. The worm turned before the fight on this one, though- McCarthy shit the bed and gave up the game before the bell rang. It became evident to everyone that this was just a show fight, and that the committee could never actually beat Clinton, because they didn't have anything on her. Liston could never beat Ali, because despite the fact that he hit like a freight train, Ali was too fucking fast to be HIT, and could dish out in return while never being seriously hit. Hillary Clinton isn't the Greatest, but having her go up against that bunch of fucking idiots was like putting Ali in his prime in the ring with fucking Thurman Merman from Bad Santa. The outcome was never really in doubt.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 24, 2015, 02:32:23 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 24, 2015, 01:25:45 AM

These morons in Gowdy's committee were so bent on proving that Hillary is an unfeeling, ambition-crazed schemer bent on riding gleefully to the White House on the corpses of Benghazi victims that they ended up making her look like the one thing she really isn't, at least not very often: a regular person.

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: VomKriege on October 24, 2015, 02:55:11 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 24, 2015, 02:20:03 AM

that Planned Parenthood inquisition went pretty much the same way.

Fer crying out loud. I'm liberal and I could have posited more damaging questions for Hilary and PP then those morons came up with. People like this almost make you appreciate Cheney and co., they might have been evil, but at least they weren't stupid and evil.

Every Republican I read about those days seems like a total moron with the most childish approach to politics that have turned the GOP in a fringe party more willing to impede governement than participate if they don't get their way. Is there any big picture thinking going on there or has that been deffered to the Koch and other backers ?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2015, 10:04:56 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 24, 2015, 02:21:39 AM

To further the boxing metaphor, this was the first Liston vs. Ali fight all over again. The media had invested in the narrative of the establishment champ- Gowdy was a tough prosecutor, Clinton had serial ethics issues, etc etc. The worm turned before the fight on this one, though- McCarthy shit the bed and gave up the game before the bell rang. It became evident to everyone that this was just a show fight, and that the committee could never actually beat Clinton, because they didn't have anything on her. Liston could never beat Ali, because despite the fact that he hit like a freight train, Ali was too fucking fast to be HIT, and could dish out in return while never being seriously hit. Hillary Clinton isn't the Greatest, but having her go up against that bunch of fucking idiots was like putting Ali in his prime in the ring with fucking Thurman Merman from Bad Santa. The outcome was never really in doubt.

Furthering this metaphor, dont you mean Gowdy was paid off to let Hillary win?
:hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 24, 2015, 11:22:25 AM

Jeb!'s paleo diet is working so well his shirts don't fit anymore

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSFvy79WcAAuptR.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 24, 2015, 12:46:34 PM

Jeb's already checked out mentally, it's just a matter of time now.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSGGJqcWoAAKkxc.jpg)

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/657954623202963456

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2015, 02:21:47 PM

I think a lot of us are right. It just doesn't seem like he wants to be president. He expected a coronation and stiff armed Romney out of running. Since then he has been a disaster. My mom put it perfectly: no regular person hops out of bed thinking "I can't wait to help Jeb Bush become president." People are doing that every day for Hillary, Bernie, Cruz, Carson, even Trump. But Jeb? The only people who give a fuck are millionaires and billionaires, as his campaign finance reports show.

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More Trump on Jeb: "Bush has no money. He's meeting today with mommy and daddy and they're working on their campaign."

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2015, 05:18:21 PM

From the looks of the polls, it seems like Rubio is quickly taking over as the establishment's preferred candidate. If Carson or Trump flame out sometime soon, I could easily see him picking up the bulk of those people instead of Jeb.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Oblivion on October 24, 2015, 06:39:49 PM

(https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/12070989_1693613837520866_1803327903_n.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 24, 2015, 06:49:45 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 24, 2015, 06:39:49 PM

(https://scontent-lga3-1.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e35/12070989_1693613837520866_1803327903_n.jpg)

Geert Wilders looks like hell, sheesh.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Broseidon on October 24, 2015, 06:56:03 PM

I was trying to think who they reminded me of :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2015, 07:34:54 PM

BENJI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvMLrhcpp9U

"Bill Clinton studied at Oxford. Most of his professors described themselves as Marxist-Leninists, or socialists."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 25, 2015, 12:47:37 PM

from 2012, but its not like they were wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjonGtrCyVE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 25, 2015, 03:26:19 PM

If we can post the National Review itt on the reg I'm going to start posting People's World on the reg.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 25, 2015, 03:29:10 PM

So for viewers this endless string of mayhem and violence is more akin to browsing the gore section of Tumblr than watching any cohesive, episodic tale.

http://peoplesworld.org/american-horror-story-is-it-worth-checking-in-to-hotel/

CPUSA making fun of Tumblr. :dead

Daily Worker's successor publication writing about American Horror Story. :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2015, 10:16:21 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/uFKfv6g.jpg)

It's hard to pick just one!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Trent Dole on October 26, 2015, 04:57:47 PM

I LIKE HIM CAUSE HE'S A COMPLETE FUCKING IDIOT JUST LIKE MEEE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 26, 2015, 05:05:37 PM

They can stay awake long enough to hear all he has to say  ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2015, 05:18:32 PM

Welp, that about wraps it up for Hillary- the Halperin kiss of death

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-26/the-most-likely-next-president-is-hillary-clinton

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 26, 2015, 05:20:15 PM

Opening with a quote from bloomberg for a bloomberg show :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 26, 2015, 05:53:59 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2015, 10:16:21 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/uFKfv6g.jpg)

It's hard to pick just one!

I feel like I would have expected someone like Huckabee to have that batshit crazy conservative vote down pat going into this election cycle. Color me surprised. Carson's campaign has looked like the equivalent of Mr. Bean in that movie Rat Race where he's only in first after falling asleep cause everyone fucked it up so bad.

(http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/20141004/5118181/mr-bean-narcolepsy-o.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2015, 06:30:31 PM

Looks like Orange Julius is serious about finishing up and giving his successor a clean slate, and taking any potential sharp objects away from the lunatic caucus too.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/white-house-congress-budget-debt-ceiling

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 26, 2015, 09:07:02 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-ben-carson-kill-someone

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Oblivion on October 26, 2015, 09:10:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WhfnHGl.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: tiesto on October 26, 2015, 09:13:39 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 26, 2015, 05:18:32 PM

Welp, that about wraps it up for Hillary- the Halperin kiss of death

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-10-26/the-most-likely-next-president-is-hillary-clinton

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Hillary’s team at last is convincing rich Democrats to come around to the super-PAC game. Clinton loyalist Guy Cecil is now topping Priorities USA and he has brought in a new cast of folks to supplement holdovers such as Paul Begala, Jim Messina, and Harold Ickes, all of whom have experience rubbing shoulders with the mega-wealthy and prying seven-figure checks out of their hands. Cecil knows how to leverage hot buttons like the Koch brothers and the threat of more conservative Supreme Court justices and unified GOP control of Washington to maintain momentum and encourage the participation of those previously reluctant to muck about in the big money world that many liberals despise and disdain.

Guy Cecil? This person?

(http://gallery.abyssalchronicles.com/albums/userpics/10002/tow-tu-guy.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2015, 10:33:36 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 26, 2015, 09:10:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WhfnHGl.gif)

"Hello, fellow kids."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 27, 2015, 01:23:39 PM

I learned Ben Carson was a Seventh Day Adventist.  He makes so much more sense now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 27, 2015, 01:33:29 PM

http://loras.edu/About-Loras/News-Events/News/2015/Clinton-Extends-Lead-over-Sanders,-Loras-College-P.aspx (http://loras.edu/About-Loras/News-Events/News/2015/Clinton-Extends-Lead-over-Sanders,-Loras-College-P.aspx)

Killary issuing a stand down order on Bernie Sander's campaign.  Seems pretty over at this point, except for white college student tears.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 27, 2015, 01:40:40 PM

The only Seventh Day Adventist I've known irl was an elderly lesbian I had as an English professor, and she was p. cool.

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 27, 2015, 01:42:50 PM

I knew a few growing up.  They were totally normal and good students but occasionally they'd say the craziest shit, like shit you never say in public.  Kind of like ol' Ben Carson.

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Post by: Kara on October 27, 2015, 01:46:47 PM

That's always been my experience with LDS too. :yeshrug

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2015, 01:59:51 PM

Same.

Kinda surprised he's doing so well with Evangelicals in Iowa, given what Seventh Day Adventists believe about Evangelicals.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Brehvolution on October 27, 2015, 02:05:34 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/at-a-gathering-of-bushes-the-focus-turns-to-rubio-as-a-key-opponent/2015/10/26/38786714-7be9-11e5-beba-927fd8634498_story.html?wpmm=1&wpisrc=nl_daily202

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In a closed-door strategy briefing, Bush campaign officials detailed numerous contrasts they are seeking to draw with Rubio (R-Fla.) and branded him disparagingly as a “GOP Obama.” An official with a pro-Bush super PAC mentioned Rubio’s name twice in a chat with reporters, despite not being asked about him. And a Bush ally suggested that Rubio should think about resigning from the Senate given his focus on the presidency.

:whew (http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2015, 02:08:23 PM

Wouldn't a GOP donor be receptive to the idea of a GOP Obama? IE a guy who can actually win an election and get at least a couple years of legislation rammed through before the midterm?

so basically Jeb's argument is W Bush was good, GOP Obama bad  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2015, 06:11:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKdtAxXGh-Y

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 02:05:44 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/lindsey-graham-date-sarah-palin

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSXXfpWUYAA-L0a.jpg)

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Wow, based on the beer he poured, Graham sure must like giving a lot of head.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 28, 2015, 05:45:14 PM

The Hobby Lobby clan is under federal investigation for looting artifacts from Iraq to put in their Bible museum, lol.

They shipped stuff by FedEx saying it was worth $300 to get through customs. :dead

Wonder if they'll be able to hide behind their imaginary friend again to get out of following the law. :goty

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2015, 06:15:48 PM

The Republicans sacrificing Boehner and then having all their crazy leverage taken away right after is so perfect. :lawd

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Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 06:16:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/hEoFn2N.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 06:25:01 PM

"Make me commander-in-chief and THIS CRAP stops!"
~Lindsey Graham

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 06:25:35 PM

Speaking of Bushes and drugs, a throwback:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJM_x0APQ0E

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White House speech-writers thought it was the perfect visual for President Bush's first prime-time address to the nation -- a dramatic prop that would show how the drug trade had spread to the president's own neighborhood.

"This is crack cocaine," Bush solemnly announced, holding up a plastic bag filled with a white chunky substance in his Sept. 5 speech on drug policy. It was "seized a few days ago in a park across the street from the White House . . . . It could easily have been heroin or PCP."

...

In fact, when first contacted by an undercover DEA agent posing as a drug buyer, the teenage suspect seemed baffled by the agent's request.

"Where the {expletive} is the White House?" he replied in a conversation that was secretly tape-recorded by the DEA.

"We had to manipulate him to get him down there," said William McMullan, assistant special agent in charge of DEA's Washington field office. "It wasn't easy."

It's as innocent looking as candy!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 06:34:36 PM

"The #2 on the other side went to the Soviet Union for his honeymoon, and I'm not sure if he ever came back."

Lindsey dropping sick berns on Sanders.  :ussrcry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 06:50:10 PM

lmao this whole thing is hilarious

Question about Coors Beer. Santorum spends a minute thanking Colorado for voting for him in 2012. Also beer companies are merging because of Obamacare.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 07:06:32 PM

I like how serious the moderators are taking it, and the time limits. Like they're trying out to be moderators in the higher tier debate.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2015, 07:17:05 PM

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@TheRickWilson

Man oh man, the dumb, pre-planned move a certain campaign is about to make in the big debate is campaign-ending stupid.

bets? I'm gonna go with Chris Christie.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 07:25:03 PM

Jindal: "Just ask yourself, are you better off than you are 7 years ago?"

Uhhhhh................ :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 07:26:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2015, 07:17:05 PM

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@TheRickWilson

Man oh man, the dumb, pre-planned move a certain campaign is about to make in the big debate is campaign-ending stupid.

bets? I'm gonna go with Chris Christie.

Huckabee.

Jeb!? is second choice.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2015, 07:30:17 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 07:25:03 PM

Jindal: "Just ask yourself, are you better off than you are 7 years ago?"

Uhhhhh................ :doge

Did he really fucking say that :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 07:33:56 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2015, 07:30:17 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 07:25:03 PM

Jindal: "Just ask yourself, are you better off than you are 7 years ago?"

Uhhhhh................ :doge

Did he really fucking say that :neogaf

Yep.

He also bragged about how he closed charity hospitals to cut state spending in Louisiana. Just a great guy, really.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2015, 07:41:31 PM

7 years ago: had to move in with family in NC following a mild nervous breakdown

Today: more or less ok, have a semi-decent paying job, got laid a couple weeks ago

:yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 28, 2015, 08:00:10 PM

Pretty sure its very easy to get laid when you are living with family in NC.

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Post by: studyguy on October 28, 2015, 08:16:40 PM

This intro is as hyperbolic as the statements they're about to make for sure.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 28, 2015, 08:20:09 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 06:34:36 PM

"The #2 on the other side went to the Soviet Union for his honeymoon, and I'm not sure if he ever came back."

Lindsey dropping sick berns on Sanders.  :ussrcry

America stands for freedom
But if you think you're free
Vacation in the Soviet Union
And have it torpedo your presidential candidacy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 08:20:52 PM

If I had a weakness it's that I might make America too great.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 28, 2015, 08:24:23 PM

Debate so far.
(http://i.imgur.com/XzXtbvM.jpg)

Jeb! couldn't have been bodied harder if a car hit him just now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 28, 2015, 08:43:25 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 28, 2015, 08:20:09 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 06:34:36 PM

"The #2 on the other side went to the Soviet Union for his honeymoon, and I'm not sure if he ever came back."

Lindsey dropping sick berns on Sanders.  :ussrcry

America stands for freedom
But if you think you're free
Vacation in the Soviet Union
And have it torpedo your presidential candidacy

I posted this on Twitter. If I knew your handle I'd credit you

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And if it were shorter than 134 characters

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 08:44:01 PM

lol @ Jeb going into the paint on Rubio and getting rejected

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 08:46:01 PM

Ted Cruz salty as fuck.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Kara on October 28, 2015, 08:47:44 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 28, 2015, 08:43:25 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 28, 2015, 08:20:09 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 06:34:36 PM

"The #2 on the other side went to the Soviet Union for his honeymoon, and I'm not sure if he ever came back."

Lindsey dropping sick berns on Sanders.  :ussrcry

America stands for freedom
But if you think you're free
Vacation in the Soviet Union
And have it torpedo your presidential candidacy

I posted this on Twitter. If I knew your handle I'd credit you

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And if it were shorter than 134 characters

[close]

I'll retweet it. Think I follow you. :-*

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: studyguy on October 28, 2015, 08:47:46 PM

Please answer this question.

Ted Cruz: No.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 08:48:18 PM

(http://cdn1.24live.co/images/2015/10/29/1446079128761487.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2015, 08:51:54 PM

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@davidfrum 37s37 seconds ago

Twitter all about Cruz/Rubio. Telephone all about Bush SuperPAC donors calling to demand their $ back.

W is somewhere shaking his head.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 08:56:40 PM

Warren Ellis ‏@warrenellis 37s38 seconds ago
Sen. Cruz, you have 60 seconds on the subject of why you look like what would happen if a clown had gotten a sandwich bag pregnant

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2015, 09:02:47 PM

Carson really sounds like a complete idiot.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Like it Says on His Hat
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:11:40 PM

I heard your question liebural media, but I'm going to talk about something I want to talk about!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 09:15:45 PM

Hillary Clinton and Obama hate women so much, you wouldn't even believe it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:18:49 PM

crowd annihilating the liebural moderators

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2015, 09:20:11 PM

these moderators are terrible, as are the questions.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 09:25:15 PM

As are the participants.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:26:37 PM

well, no, i have no idea where i got that information...twitter maybe? i dunno

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:27:33 PM

dang liebural media

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 09:27:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:26:37 PM

well, no, i have no idea where i got that information...twitter maybe? i dunno

Probably got it from the mainstream media after they finished sucking HRC's dick.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:31:27 PM

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@chucktodd: Here is where Trump hit Rubio on Zuckerberg and H1B1 visas... on his own web site. https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/immigration-reform

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This will improve the number of black, Hispanic and female workers in Silicon Valley who have been passed over in favor of the H-1B program. Mark Zuckerberg’s personal Senator, Marco Rubio, has a bill to triple H-1Bs that would decimate women and minorities.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 09:37:54 PM

Government building that shitty blimp, lol. Let's cut money from which every part of the government that made that shit.  :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:46:03 PM

lol getting the trump thing during the break

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 09:46:56 PM

It's not like they got an answer, but oh well.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 09:47:46 PM

Trump 2016: Simply Unpredictable

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 09:50:59 PM

Trump really defensive about his ties.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: studyguy on October 28, 2015, 09:51:11 PM

You know shit's off the rails when the candidates are moderating topics.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2015, 09:52:00 PM

Vote Chris Christie for Presdn of the United States

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 10:13:18 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSc3kgpWUAAwKzh.png)

Yeeeeeeeebbbbbbb....

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2015, 10:13:57 PM

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Bush campaign manager confronts CNBC producer

Jeb Bush campaign manager Danny Diaz got into a heated confrontation with a CNBC producer outside the debate as it was happening, according to two sources familiar with the incident.

One of the sources said Diaz was complaining about speaking time allotments.

“It’s a poorly managed debate,” said a Bush campaign staffer.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/live-from-boulder/2015/10/bush-campaign-manager-confront-cnbc-producer-215318#ixzz3pv2iQO9H

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 10:24:32 PM

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MRC president Brent Bozell issued a statement Wednesday night criticizing the overall tilt and tone of the CNBC Republican debate in Boulder:

"The CNBC moderators acted less like journalists and more like Clinton campaign operatives.  What was supposed to be a serious debate about the many issues plaguing our economy was given up for one Democratic talking point after another served up by the so-call 'moderators.'  They clearly war-gamed this thinking that a relentless series of personal attacks on the candidates would somehow drive their ratings and help Hillary Clinton.

The CNBC debate will go down in history as an encyclopedic example of liberal media bias on stage.  The audience roared its disdain for these so-called 'journalists,' and all of America heard it.  CNBC should be embarrassed for their pitiful display of partisan liberal media bias and apologize to the GOP candidates and the American people."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 10:35:55 PM

what's going on on Fox...
Hannity: "Most of those questions sounded like they came right from Democrat HQ."
Christie: "Yep, and yet we were still able to get the issues talked about."

 :heart

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on October 28, 2015, 10:36:47 PM

!Jeb! has to be done after this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2015, 10:45:22 PM

Cruz and Rubio did the best by far IMO. Another L for Jeb; his only stand out moment was getting sonned by Rubio.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Barry Egan on October 28, 2015, 11:17:54 PM

yea, I'm watching Fox for the post-debate and noone even wants to bring up Jeb!  He completely wiffed on the fantasy baseball question.  He just kind of sucks at this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2015, 11:24:36 PM

not watching, why'd they give Rand more burn than Carson?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2015, 11:34:34 PM

It's mostly because Rand was willing to butt in after a couple of other candidates responses, Carson only answered things directed at him. Jeb! was mostly the same way as Carson.

Carly, Kasich and Christie were hopping on every other brief pause available.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Barry Egan on October 28, 2015, 11:39:36 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/jeb-s-dead-adi-s-amigo_1055011.html

https://twitter.com/DRUDGE/status/659564445102796801

:preach

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 29, 2015, 12:01:03 AM

The end of reading Jeb¥ posts is coming soon. :preach

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 12:11:14 AM

Guess they'll have to get W. out on the stump.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 12:30:25 AM

Jeb and Kasich don't get that no one cares about their record. The goal is to rack up applause lines and beat up the media. Everyone on stage is the only guy to do x or cut taxes by y. Voters basically want to know how you're going to attack Hillary and how are you gonna attack the liberal media.

I'm assuming Jeb's team made all sorts of promises and guarantees about tonight's debate during the donor summit they held last weekend. Nothing he did tonight would reassure donors that things are going in the right direction. I still think he'll stay until Iowa/NH but I'm starting to wonder whether he'll just say fuck it, I'm going home to play fantasy football. Dude reminds me of a kid doing something solely because his dad wants him to do it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 12:45:24 AM

https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/659535226943766529

 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 01:26:48 AM

 :drudge BREAKING :drudge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yok1P-ggmzY

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on October 29, 2015, 01:28:57 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 12:45:24 AM

https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/659535226943766529

 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

What a nimrod. :rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 02:35:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA_NttxA2ac

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Sean Hannity closed his debate analysis with this:

You know I got to tell you something. Between the comments of Ted Cruz tonight, and the comments of Marco Rubio tonight and the comments of Chris Christie tonight and the comments of Mike Huckabee tonight, you know, I’m looking at The Drudge Report and “The debate was an encyclopedic example of liberal media bias.” You know what? This is going to go down in history as a really bad night for the media.”

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/ed-meese-rnc-leaders-who-allowed-cnbc-moderate-debate-should-be

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former Attorney General Ed Meese said the leaders of the Republican National Committee who allowed CNBC to moderate the debate should be condemned.

"After 15 minutes it was clear that this was not a debate, but a verbal shooting gallery set up by CNBC, with the targets the Republican candidates and the shooters their biased antagonists from the press,” said Meese.

“Ted Cruz accurately described what was going on,” he said. “Whoever selected the ‘moderators’ should be fired and the RNC leaders who allowed it should be condemned.”

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Colin Hanna of Let Freedom Ring was just as critical.

“The CNBC moderators were much more interested in trying to disqualify all of the candidates than in providing any one of them the opportunity to explain their plans and programs to the American people,” said Hanna. “Many of them were nothing more than the ‘when did you stop beating your wife?’ type of question that is the diametric opposite of responsible journalism.”

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Erick Erickson of Red State described CNBC’s performance as a “disgrace.”

“CNBC could have saved themselves and the Republican Party a lot of money by hiring actual monkeys to fling their pooh at the candidates. This was a disgrace,” he said. :There are a lot of good people who work at CNBC and they must be deeply embarrassed tonight. In a press room surrounded by liberals, everyone was openly acknowledging just how terrible this debate is.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 02:50:00 AM

Meanwhile, Socialist Bernie Sanders wants to unleash hordes of drugged out violent zombies onto the American people:

Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/sanders-will-propose-nixing-marijuana-from-federal-list-of-dangerous-drugs/2015/10/28/be8c3adc-7da2-11e5-b575-d8dcfedb4ea1_story.html

"Too many Americans have seen their lives destroyed because they have criminal records as a result of marijuana use," Sanders told the crowd, which erupted with applause. "That's wrong. That has got to change."

No other presidential candidate has called for marijuana to be completely removed from the schedule of controlled substances regulated by the Drug Enforcement Administration. …

Sanders's plan would not automatically make marijuana legal nationwide, but states would be allowed to regulate the drug in the same way that state and local laws now govern sales of alcohol and tobacco. And people who use marijuana in states that legalize it would no longer be at risk of federal prosecution.

His plan would also allow marijuana businesses currently operating in states that have legalized it to use banking services and apply for tax deductions that are currently unavailable to them under federal law.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 06:40:53 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSemIDpU8AA9SVR.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: tiesto on October 29, 2015, 08:07:40 AM

God forbid we finally got moderators to call these people out on their pipe-dream economic plans and actually ask them questions which require a bit more response than a canned one-liner.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: tiesto on October 29, 2015, 09:39:25 AM

If I were a Republican, I'd be hoping for Rubio to get the nomination. He's well spoken, handsome, plays well to conservative ideals without going too far into wingbat territory. He's the only one imo who has any sort of shot of being Hillary.

Also, can someone tell me what people find appealing about Carson? He's got all the charisma of wet toilet paper and his positions are ridiculous ignorant for someone so highly educated.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 09:43:28 AM

One of the candidates should just do nothing but respond to every question with blasting the liebural mainstream media.

MODERATOR: "Governor benjipwns, you said that you would eliminate the state because and I quote 'There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror.' Don't you think this policy is a little extreme for the general election?"

BENJIPWNS: "You know, this is just another typical liebural media gotcha question. The mainstream media is working as an arm of the Democrap Party to try and get us to smear everyone instead of having us talk about the substantive issues. And quite frankly it's offensive and a dereliction of duty for debate moderators, members of the mainstream media, to try and insert themselves into a process that's for the voters to decide whether we have another four years of the same failed policies. But rather than talk about that and solutions, you just want to play gotcha questions and try to get everyone riled up against each other instead of coming together to fight Hillary Clinton and I see my time is up so I'll leave it there."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 29, 2015, 10:16:31 AM

Maybe I'm a homer, but I feel like Kasich is the best candidate they got. He's not a weirdo, he can speak on camera well and he has an actual record of governing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on October 29, 2015, 10:37:59 AM

I suspect Carson is popular because he is not a politico by trade. Also to some voters the "I have a black friend" bonus.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brob on October 29, 2015, 10:54:49 AM

:umad

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2015, 10:59:15 AM

No one expects the French work week!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 11:11:11 AM

I didn't like the second post because I don't think I would ever use that smiley over a culturally appropriated coli one.

Then again, I liked the text in the quote.

A quandary.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 11:24:05 AM

I can't believe Jeb! is doubling and tripling down on the "French work week" "zinger" like he totally nailed Rubio to the wall
nobody cares, and it feels like an insult fresh from 2002
all it does it make him look weak and petulant
Rubio BENEFITS from being attacked by Jeb
no one like Jeb, he's the establishment. Jeb going after Rubio just makes Rubio more palatable to the base

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 29, 2015, 12:11:40 PM

To be fair, Bush feels like a man fresh from 2002

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2015, 12:14:10 PM

While the debate/moderation was terrible, I gotta disagree that it's at all representative of "librul media bias."

1) The assholes at CNBC are not really journalists. They're talking head wankers for a network that caters to Wall St.

2) As such, their focus is on a bunch of dumb 1% bullshit as opposed to actual substantive issues.

Sure, they sucked. But they weren't out to "get" the Republican field for the democrats. They were trying to make sure those lunatics on stage aren't going to turn the country into Thunderdome and protect Wall St's interests.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 12:25:13 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 11:24:05 AM

I can't believe Jeb! is doubling and tripling down on the "French work week" "zinger" like he totally nailed Rubio to the wall
nobody cares, and it feels like an insult fresh from 2002
all it does it make him look weak and petulant
Rubio BENEFITS from being attacked by Jeb
no one like Jeb, he's the establishment. Jeb going after Rubio just makes Rubio more palatable to the base

Doesn't it give you W "stay the course" vibes? In fact his entire campaign has. Every time he fucks up his campaign doubles down as if it's a sign of strength. First he tried defending the Iraq war, received pushback and responded by making W a focal point of his campaign. When people criticized his Redskins comments he made it a part of his official stump speech. Now everyone agrees Rubio sonned him during that exchange but his campaign is running with it as if it was some brilliant moment for Jeb.

Thank god he's getting his ass kicked or else I'd find this behavior pretty scary. It's neoconservative 101 shit. Never admit defeat, attempt to turn perceived weaknesses into strengths, keep doing whatever you're doing no matter what. Look strong!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2015, 12:32:58 PM

Let's be real, tho- no one running on the GOP side is going to emerge from this debacle of a primary season as anything other than a deeply flawed, compromised candidate that is going to get spanked for 5-6 months by Hillary until she mercy kills them on election day. Suck it, AiA.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 12:49:09 PM

Listen to Cheebs in 2015 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2015, 01:12:27 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 29, 2015, 12:42:20 PM

Cheebs (who has a master's degree) believes that Rubio is an extremely talented candidate who has at least an even shot at the presidency if he wins the nomination. I'm inclined to agree with him.

Yes, but you're also inclined to do all sorts of other dumb shit, like root for Kobe Bryant be a GURM fanboi in this, the year of our Lord 2015. Who gives a fuck what you or Cheebs thinks?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 01:21:25 PM

I agree that Rubio could win but only under a perfect set of circumstances. Anything can happen, but it looks like 2016 will look similar to 2015: job growth, but with lower gas prices on average. Assuming we have that type of status quo, Obama's poll numbers will continue to be 49-52% like they are now...I don't see how Hillary loses.

But if the economy starts to truly falter, a foreign policy disaster occurs, an actual Hillary scandal emerges, etc...sure, of course a decent republican can win. Rubio and Kasich are the decent republicans in the race - ie guys I can actually imagine becoming president.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 02:17:14 PM

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 02:28:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 02:17:14 PM

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check :neogaf

which was this? I only caught Trump's "I didn't attack Rubio" zinger (his webpage attacks Rubio)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 02:30:10 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 02:28:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 02:17:14 PM

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check :neogaf

which was this? I only caught Trump's "I didn't attack Rubio" zinger (his webpage attacks Rubio)

He denied being involved in a shady supplement company that he is totally 100% involved in.  They even put him on the website, funded his endowed chair, he's done all kinds of promotional materiel for them for and he was just like "no, didn't happen".

Here's a link:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 02:32:56 PM

(http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/files/2015/10/CarsonShillMannatech.jpg)

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 02:43:32 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 02:30:10 PM

Quote from: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 02:28:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 02:17:14 PM

I'm catching up with all the debate stuff.  Ben Carson lying about something that takes about to two seconds to fact check :neogaf

which was this? I only caught Trump's "I didn't attack Rubio" zinger (his webpage attacks Rubio)

He denied being involved in a shady supplement company that he is totally 100% involved in.  They even put him on the website, funded his endowed chair, he's done all kinds of promotional materiel for them for and he was just like "no, didn't happen".

Here's a link:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/)

this will only increase his popularity with the base, who will be upset the CNBC moderators asked him such a "gotcha" question

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 02:43:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 02:32:56 PM

(http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/files/2015/10/CarsonShillMannatech.jpg)

 :doge

which season of Mr. Show is this from

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2015, 02:45:00 PM

"There's a company called Mannatech, a maker of nutritional supplements, with which you had a ten-year relationship,” Quintanilla asked. “They offered claims that they could cure autism and cancer. "

wow, that's not exactly BURN FAT FAST

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on October 29, 2015, 03:15:12 PM

Mannatech :dead

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Manna (Hebrew: מָן‎) or al-Mann wa al-Salwa (Arabic: المَنّ و السلوى‎, Kurdish: gezo Persian: گزانگبین‎‎), sometimes or archaically spelled mana, is an edible substance that, according to the Bible and the Quran, God provided for the Israelites during their travels in the desert.

:comeon

Exploit christian doctrine to hock your bullshit, brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 29, 2015, 03:25:16 PM

Ben Carson is Izzet. :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2015, 03:31:06 PM

This seems like a negative for him now, but... what if that shit actually works?  Would be huge if true.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 03:48:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2015, 03:31:06 PM

This seems like a negative for him now, but... what if that shit actually works?  Would be huge if true.

This is basically how the Iraq war came to pass.  "I Know you don't think he has WMD's...but what if he does?  We have to do something."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 29, 2015, 03:49:55 PM

Ben Carson peddling bad science and making money off it?

No way.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on October 29, 2015, 03:56:36 PM

Name your scam pills after sand pancakes.
Also, I would be kind of worried my neuro surgeon would push bullshit pseudo science.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 03:59:03 PM

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/28/9633420/ted-cruz-republican-debate

Quote

Cruz's strategy was smart, and he was arguably the debate's big winner. But it bespoke a deeper weakness. Republicans have boxed themselves into some truly bizarre policies — including a set of tax cuts that give so much money to the rich, and blow such huge holes in the deficit, that simply asking about them in any serious way seems like a vicious attack. Assailing the media is a good way to try to dodge those questions for a little while, but it won't work over the course of a long campaign.

Or will it? Let's find out!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 04:01:00 PM

Carson has also given some shine to anti-vaxxers. He didn't go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow iirc but still...smh.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 29, 2015, 04:03:38 PM

Carson also did experiments on fetal tissue and sees no contradiction in that continuing. Guess it's okay when it's so you can further your career and research but rape victims can EAD.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 29, 2015, 04:09:45 PM

No benji, but if you want a good laugh sometime read FDA warning letters to huckster companies. Some of the shit out there would make Ostap Bender blush.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2015, 04:12:33 PM

God, how valuable is the Ben Carson donors list going to be when they sell it to gold/investment scam companies?  It's gotta be the holy grail.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 04:56:56 PM

That was the Ron Paul 2008/2012 lists.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 05:01:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 04:56:56 PM

That was the Ron Paul 2008/2012 lists.

All those people are dead now, tho.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 05:05:06 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 05:01:08 PM

All those people are dead now, tho.

(http://i.imgur.com/ApZBOL9.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 05:05:59 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 02:30:10 PM

He denied being involved in a shady supplement company that he is totally 100% involved in.  They even put him on the website, funded his endowed chair, he's done all kinds of promotional materiel for them for and he was just like "no, didn't happen".

Here's a link:  http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/ben-carson-mannatech/412987/)

Yeah, but he didn't give them permission to put his picture on the website.

debate moderator: "oh...okay, that makes sense, moving on..."

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Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 05:09:06 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2015, 03:31:06 PM

This seems like a negative for him now, but... what if that shit actually works?  Would be huge if true.

Scientists HATE him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 06:50:57 PM

https://twitter.com/RealBenCarson/status/659777986854559744/photo/1 (https://twitter.com/RealBenCarson/status/659777986854559744/photo/1)

ben carson letting you know it's cool if you do brain surgery without training because the bible says so.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 29, 2015, 06:54:46 PM

You don't even sedatives if you're Ben, people just fall into a deep sleep.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on October 29, 2015, 06:55:12 PM

I wonder how much mannatech paid to get one of the best pediatric  neurosurgeons to "not endorse" these autism-curing supplements.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 07:49:22 PM

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint)

Poor Jeb.

Although this is good:

Quote

The most cryptic slight is left for last: "Those who have looked into Marco's background in the past have been concerned with what they have found."

I wonder...

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 08:06:19 PM

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 08:26:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 08:06:19 PM

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

I hope someone convinces Jeb that the only way to salvage his campaign is to go nasty af. Where Karl Rove at? :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 29, 2015, 08:43:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 08:06:19 PM

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 29, 2015, 07:49:22 PM

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint (http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint)

Poor Jeb.

Although this is good:

Quote

The most cryptic slight is left for last: "Those who have looked into Marco's background in the past have been concerned with what they have found."

I wonder...

Bet it turns out that he has French ancestors. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on October 29, 2015, 08:45:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 04:01:00 PM

Carson has also given some shine to anti-vaxxers. He didn't go full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow iirc but still...smh.

His response to the moderator asking him if Trump was correct on vaccines was great.

"Well, practically the entirety of the medical community agrees that vaccines do not cause autism, but Mr. Trump's probably right too"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2015, 08:46:36 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 08:26:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 08:06:19 PM

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

I hope someone convinces Jeb that the only way to salvage his campaign is to go nasty af. Where Karl Rove at? :lawd

Jeb doesn't have that in him, I don't think. He's part of the patrician, nancy boy wing of the family. More Kennebunkport than Crawford, if you will.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on October 29, 2015, 08:52:33 PM

Well Jeb has at least followed the Rovian tactic of turning a weakness into a strength, so there's that.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 29, 2015, 08:58:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 08:06:19 PM

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

My prediction, Rubio is actually a white/Jewish guy pretending to be Cuban-American.

real name, Mark Rubin.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 09:27:29 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 29, 2015, 08:46:36 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 08:26:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 08:06:19 PM

Romney passed on Christie and Rubio for VP specifically due to finding some undesirable shit in the vetting process. Sounds like we'll find out what they have on Rubio soon. Democrats dumped his financial problems to the NY Times months ago, so I'm assuming this will be something different.

Might be nothing but last week a heckler interrupted a Rubio event by yelling out "stop cheating on your wife." Makes you wonder...

I hope someone convinces Jeb that the only way to salvage his campaign is to go nasty af. Where Karl Rove at? :lawd

Jeb doesn't have that in him, I don't think. He's part of the patrician, nancy boy wing of the family. More Kennebunkport than Crawford, if you will.

Jeb's a pussy, but surely Poppy and Big Bro could hook him up with some experienced ratfuckers to "anonymously" "leak" some juicy deets on Rubio.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 29, 2015, 09:55:57 PM

I'll leave the light on for you at the kibbutz / Alpine café  / Caribbean tax haven beach bungalow.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: bluemax on October 29, 2015, 10:24:12 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 29, 2015, 03:56:36 PM

Name your scam pills after sand pancakes.
Also, I would be kind of worried my neuro surgeon would push bullshit pseudo science.

Dr Oz pushes pseudo science and he's America's favorite doctor!

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2015, 03:59:03 PM

http://www.vox.com/2015/10/28/9633420/ted-cruz-republican-debate

Quote

Cruz's strategy was smart, and he was arguably the debate's big winner. But it bespoke a deeper weakness. Republicans have boxed themselves into some truly bizarre policies — including a set of tax cuts that give so much money to the rich, and blow such huge holes in the deficit, that simply asking about them in any serious way seems like a vicious attack. Assailing the media is a good way to try to dodge those questions for a little while, but it won't work over the course of a long campaign.

Or will it? Let's find out!

I turned my radio on this morning (I left it on a station that is part time sports) and it had Rush Limbaugh on screaming about how the media is out to get Republicans while ignoring real issues. So yeah.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 10:56:30 PM

(http://s10.postimg.org/ldfzu387d/jeb.png)
:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 29, 2015, 11:45:45 PM

His team didn't put that out, right? Right?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2015, 11:54:48 PM

his campaign blueprint "leaked" today
http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/run-2016/2015/10/29/jeb-bushs-campaign-blueprint

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2015, 12:13:32 AM

737 is an airplane not a sample size.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2015, 01:13:34 AM

Conducted in September, wonder what it would look like if it was conducted after last night...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on October 30, 2015, 01:18:30 AM

.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2015, 10:44:01 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/opinion/the-paul-ryan-and-marco-rubio-moment.html

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If Ryan and Rubio do emerge as the party’s two leaders, it will be the wonkiest leadership team in our lifetime.

Wow, such wonky. So numbers! :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2015, 11:35:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/d2JzX1F.png)

:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 30, 2015, 11:45:59 AM

Quote

One could argue that [Carson]’s even more authentically African-American than Barack Obama

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426317/ben-carson-black-conservative

 :neogaf White conservatives discussing blackness

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 30, 2015, 11:46:35 AM

Have to admire the optimism that the campaign will still exist in March.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 30, 2015, 11:49:31 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2015, 10:44:01 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/opinion/the-paul-ryan-and-marco-rubio-moment.html

Quote

If Ryan and Rubio do emerge as the party’s two leaders, it will be the wonkiest leadership team in our lifetime.

Wow, such wonky. So numbers! :doge

"I'm David Brooks, and I really want unicorns to be real!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 30, 2015, 11:51:41 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/30/politics/colin-powell-republican-iran-immigration-donald-trump/?iid=ob_article_footer_expansion&iref=obinsite

:lol

Also like how he highlights that he worked with RR but not Bush

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 30, 2015, 12:26:33 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 30, 2015, 11:45:59 AM

Quote

One could argue that [Carson]’s even more authentically African-American than Barack Obama

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426317/ben-carson-black-conservative

 :neogaf White conservatives discussing blackness

Well duh.
Muslim ain't black

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 30, 2015, 12:57:47 PM

GOOD JON, MURIKA

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/30/politics/syria-troops-special-operations-forces/index.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2015, 01:19:13 PM

Maybe this imperialist excursion will work this time y'all. Don't you remember Operation Urgent Fury? Just Cause?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 01:33:50 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/gop-campaigns-rnc-debates-215371

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Republican presidential campaigns are planning to gather in Washington, D.C., on Sunday evening to plot how to alter their party’s messy debate process — and how to remove power from the hands of the Republican National Committee.

Not invited to the meeting: Anyone from the RNC, which many candidates have openly criticized in the hours since Wednesday’s CNBC debate in Boulder, Colorado — a chaotic, disorganized affair that was widely panned by political observers.

On Thursday, many of the campaigns told POLITICO that the RNC, which has taken a greater role in the 2016 debate process than in previous election cycles, had failed to take their concerns into account. It was time, top aides to at least half a dozen of the candidates agreed, to begin discussing among themselves how the next debates should be structured and not leave it up to the RNC and television networks.

The gathering is being organized by advisers to the campaigns of Donald Trump, Ben Carson, Bobby Jindal and Lindsey Graham, according to multiple sources involved in the planning. Others who are expected to attend, organizers say, are representatives for Carly Fiorina, Mike Huckabee, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio and Rick Santorum. The planners are also reaching out to other Republican candidates.

...

“I think the campaigns have a number of concerns and they have a right to talk about that amongst themselves,” said Christian Ferry, Graham’s campaign manager. The objective, Ferry said, was to “find out what works best for us as a group.”

Figuring that out could be contentious as each campaign has a number of different complaints about the process. Some — such as Bush and Paul — have griped about unequal speaking time. Others have complained bitterly about how polling is used to determine who qualifies for the prime-time and undercard debates. Some have insisted on giving opening and closing statements, despite the networks' desire to have the candidates spend as much time as possible clashing with each other on stage.

...

Jindal, who polls better in Iowa than he does nationally, has argued that criteria for determining who qualifies for debates should be based on early state polling, not just national surveys.

“Our continuous complaint is candidate exclusion and the delusional debate polling criteria. It's unacceptable,” said Gail Gitcho, a Jindal spokeswoman. “Maybe this meeting will change that, maybe it won't. But we aren't going to shut up about it.”

Graham’s campaign has argued that there should be two debates — with two groups of seven or eight candidates selected randomly.

...

"I think the bigger frustration you saw is that all those candidates onstage had prepared for a substantive debate. Everyone was ready to talk about trade policy and the debt and tax policies," Rubio said on Fox News. "And we're ready for that, everybody was. And then, you got questions that everyone got, which were clearly designed to get us to fight against each other or get us to say something embarrassing about us and then get us to react."

"The campaigns are not going to allow the networks to control this process," Huckabee told Fox Business host Lou Dobbs on Thursday night.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 30, 2015, 01:36:36 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 30, 2015, 01:19:13 PM

Maybe this imperialist excursion will work this time y'all. Don't you remember Operation Urgent Fury? Just Cause?

Imperialism works better if they intended to stay and not just say 'Now you guys are free to be free.  Please have a secular democracy.  We coo?'

Miss good old fashioned imperialism. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2015, 01:40:45 PM

Which side are we fighting on, ISIS or Assad? I can't remember who the good guys are atm.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 30, 2015, 01:42:29 PM

The Russians.  We are fighting the Russians. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 01:50:00 PM

Does this mean the redline was finally crossed?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2015, 03:43:28 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 30, 2015, 01:36:36 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 30, 2015, 01:19:13 PM

Maybe this imperialist excursion will work this time y'all. Don't you remember Operation Urgent Fury? Just Cause?

Imperialism works better if they intended to stay and not just say 'Now you guys are free to be free.  Please have a secular democracy.  We coo?'

Miss good old fashioned imperialism.

That's colonialism nub. #rekt

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2015, 03:55:23 PM

Quote

@MSNBC
BREAKING: Top @JebBush campaign official is leaving.

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 03:57:13 PM

Lawless Judges Have Created an America Where Praying Gets a Man Suspended from His Job (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/426316/praying-football-coach-religious-liberty-judicial-censorshp)

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Yesterday, Joe Kennedy, an assistant high-school–football coach in Bremerton, Wash., was suspended. His offense? Kneeling for a short on-field prayer after football games.

According to multiple news reports, for the last several years Kennedy has waited until each game ends and the players leave the field before walking to the 50-yard line and offering a quiet prayer for his students. He never asks anyone to join him, nor does he stop anyone who wants to do so. Moved by his example, a number of players pray beside him — and at least one agnostic student takes the opportunity to enjoy an “uplifting” moment of meditation.

By the school district’s own admission, despite seven years of mid-field prayer, no student complained. Indeed, district administrators weren’t even aware of Kennedy’s routine until “an employee of another district” mentioned it to them. At that point, the district — claiming liability risk — demanded that Kennedy stop praying at mid-field, offering to provide him a “private location” instead. Kennedy declined, continued praying at mid-field, and was summarily suspended.

I agree with Kennedy’s lawyers — my friends at the Liberty Institute — that the district likely violated his right to religious liberty. But it’s doubtful the district would have taken action against Kennedy absent two extraordinarily malicious, anti-Christian legal doctrines developed by our lawless federal courts.

The first is the slow but steady perversion of the Establishment Clause — originally intended to bar the establishment of a European-style national church — into a hammer wielded against an increasing range of public religious expressions and acknowledgments, even at the expense of American history. Thus, Ten Commandments monuments must be removed from public land, despite the Decalogue’s undeniable contribution to American law and moral development. War-memorial crosses have to be pulled down despite their long-held status as a symbol of remembrance in an overwhelmingly Christian nation. And God (or judge) forbid that any high-school student actually see a teacher pray on the job.

These monuments, memorials, and prayers don’t actually “establish” a religion. They instead acknowledge the reality of a nation populated by a religious people whose religious heritage has shaped this country from its founding. But the Supreme Court has re-imagined the Establishment Clause as a catch-all provision that increasingly “protects” Americans not from actual coercion but instead from mere hurt feelings.

And that brings us to the other malicious legal development — a distortion of so-called “standing” laws that has allowed citizens to sue towns, school districts, and other public entities simply because they are “offended observers” of religious symbols or religious practices they don’t like.

...

In a world of constitutional common sense, voluntary individual prayer — even in full view of the public — isn’t an “establishment” of religion but the free exercise thereof. Yet in federal court, the Constitution often takes a back seat to anti-religious dogma, and judge-made “law” provides school districts with the pretext they need to stretch the boundaries of censorship.

Public-sector Christians, pray at your peril. The state does not approve.

:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on October 30, 2015, 04:06:20 PM

Quote

"I think the bigger frustration you saw is that all those candidates onstage had prepared for a substantive debate. Everyone was ready to talk about trade policy and the debt and tax policies," Rubio said on Fox News. "And we're ready for that, everybody was. And then, you got questions that everyone got, which were clearly designed to get us to fight against each other or get us to say something embarrassing about us and then get us to react."

Bull fucking shit. Every time something of substance was brought up you pussies started whining and dodging the question. Is it because all of your tax policies are so disastrous that bringing it up at the debate makes it sound like an attack?

Pussies can't even defend your own policies.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 30, 2015, 04:14:30 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 30, 2015, 03:43:28 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 30, 2015, 01:36:36 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 30, 2015, 01:19:13 PM

Maybe this imperialist excursion will work this time y'all. Don't you remember Operation Urgent Fury? Just Cause?

Imperialism works better if they intended to stay and not just say 'Now you guys are free to be free.  Please have a secular democracy.  We coo?'

Miss good old fashioned imperialism.

That's colonialism nub. #rekt

Not actually bub #reverserekt

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2015, 04:16:18 PM

What was so special about the 50 yard line? Is the field built on Golgotha or something?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 04:51:52 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-emails-classified-release-215359

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An additional 268 emails are now deemed classified at the lowest level as part of the latest release, according to State Department spokesman John Kirby, who said that none of these emails "were marked classified at the time they were sent or received." There are now between 600 and 700 emails newly marked as classified since the releases began in May.

This campaign is so dead in the water.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2015, 04:57:31 PM

:omg

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2015, 04:58:48 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 30, 2015, 04:16:18 PM

What was so special about the 50 yard line? Is the field built on Golgotha or something?

You'll have wait until God's Not Dead 3: The Return of the King to find out.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2015, 05:17:49 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 30, 2015, 05:02:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 04:51:52 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/10/hillary-clinton-emails-classified-release-215359

Quote

An additional 268 emails are now deemed classified at the lowest level as part of the latest release, according to State Department spokesman John Kirby, who said that none of these emails "were marked classified at the time they were sent or received." There are now between 600 and 700 emails newly marked as classified since the releases began in May.

This campaign is so dead in the water.

I don't see how this has any effect on the campaign. It amounts to a bunch of nit-picking.

How do you feel knowing that Putin is reading these barely classified documents right this second, chuckling over the good ones (like the Stand Down order one) with his good buddies Mahmoud Abbas and Ali Khamenei?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 05:18:49 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 30, 2015, 05:02:26 PM

I don't see how this has any effect on the campaign. It amounts to a bunch of nit-picking.

Stop making excuses for neoliberal shill Hillary's lies and felonies:

Quote

The day after her appearance, the State Department said it was unaware of any basis for her claim that the agency "had between 90 and 95 percent of all [her] work-related emails" even before she turned over 54,000 pages of records last December.

The only person in a prison cell the American people will vote for is Eugene Debs, and a far-right monster like Hillary isn't even close.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 05:20:50 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSl_lRYU8AAQksm.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on October 30, 2015, 05:27:15 PM

I'm sorry but if a Muslim wouldn't get away with it, then you're probably praying in the wrong place.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 05:28:10 PM

http://www.theonion.com/blogpost/i-am-fun-51731

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on October 30, 2015, 05:37:28 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/huckabee-earns-nickel-presidential-campaign-painti-51754 (http://www.theonion.com/article/huckabee-earns-nickel-presidential-campaign-painti-51754)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 30, 2015, 05:44:39 PM

Voting Debs. :preach

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 06:44:26 PM

Quote

The next year, Jeb told Lucy Morgan, a reporter for the St. Petersburg Times, about how, in childhood, he had once caught his older brother finger-painting with something other than his fingers. Morgan saw both of them at the Republican National Convention, in San Diego, and asked the brother if he had a comeback—maybe a similarly embarrassing anecdote.

“I’d better not,” the older brother said. “I’m elected, and he’s not.”

Two years later, at the Republican Governors Association meeting in New Orleans, the younger brother was a governor, too, finally, and the older brother was being talked about as the potential next president.

“Look,” said George W. Bush, “I didn’t grow up wanting to be president of the United States.”

“I did,” said Jeb Bush. The more serious one, the more focused one, the planner. The harder worker.

Two years after that, after George W. Bush had been elected president, two weeks before another inauguration, this one in Washington, Jeb Bush sat with reporters in Tallahassee. “I have never been interested in being president,” he lied.

:mynicca

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 07:16:27 PM

(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_44/1284126/capturesurveymonkey_445a39c5d3bf11d889fee2b105a013b2.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg)
 :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2015, 07:56:11 PM

It's like when your homie bangs a chick and you don't want her anymore. Sorry America, Jeb doesn't want W's leftovers.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 08:05:56 PM

The really fascinating thing to me has been how much Jeb? is like his dad's "nice" setting and has none of his brothers powers of being smart enough to know when to play dumb/goofball. He's even worse at it than Romney.

That must be from Barbara's side. She hates politics but basically once told HW that he was being too much of a pussy in the '88 primaries.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2015, 08:11:01 PM

from NBC's online poll (pretty sure it's scientific)
(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_44/1284126/capturesurveymonkey_445a39c5d3bf11d889fee2b105a013b2.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg)
:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Sausage on October 30, 2015, 09:40:11 PM

Just came across this poll

(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_44/1284126/capturesurveymonkey_445a39c5d3bf11d889fee2b105a013b2.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg)

 :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2015, 09:47:21 PM

Only been posted three times on this page alone.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 10:05:13 PM

Look at this poll and Trump's numbers on the economy:
(http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_44/1284126/capturesurveymonkey_445a39c5d3bf11d889fee2b105a013b2.nbcnews-ux-600-480.jpg)
 :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 10:33:33 PM

Quote

President Barack Obama placed a call to John Boehner on his penultimate day as Speaker, telling the Ohio Republican he was sorry to see him go.

“He said, ‘Boehner, man, I’m gonna miss you,' ” Boehner recalled in an interview broadcast Friday on Fox News.

“Yes you are Mr. President. Yes you are,” Boehner replied.

:usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2015, 11:04:10 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 10:33:33 PM

Quote

President Barack Obama placed a call to John Boehner on his penultimate day as Speaker, telling the Ohio Republican he was sorry to see him go.

“He said, ‘Boehner, man, I’m gonna miss you,' ” Boehner recalled in an interview broadcast Friday on Fox News.

“Yes you are Mr. President. Yes you are,” Boehner replied.

:usacry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxU2eqZtYmc

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Trent Dole on October 30, 2015, 11:09:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on October 30, 2015, 08:15:58 PM

I've been calling out some Republicans on the whole "How can you vote for the LIAR Hillary?" thing. Romney gave us a wealth of lies to choose from. The McCain/Palin campaign basically told the American public that Obama's healthcare plan would involve euthanizing old people. At some point I'll probably compile a google doc of lies from major Republican politicians to trot out. I'm pretty sure it won't be difficult.

It's a little irritating how "they knew it was an al-Qaeda attack and not a video" is supposed to be the most unforgivable political lie of all time for whatever reason. I'd say calling your political opponent a radical Islamist sympathizer or saying he wants to turn old people into soylent green are both considerably worse, but that's just me.

Fuck it, any Republican politician who said that he remembered no subsidies on healthcare.gov being a planned feature of the ACA committed a far more serious deception than Obama/Hillary with the video story. That particular lie was an attempt to swing a Supreme Court case involving millions of people's health insurance.

All in all, I don't see how Republicans have high ground on the whole "Hillary LIED!!!" thing.

Lies only matter when it's somebody from the opposing party. :-[

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on October 31, 2015, 01:54:33 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2015, 07:56:11 PM

It's like when your homie bangs a chick and you don't want her anymore. Sorry America, Jeb doesn't want W's leftovers.

Oh please with this.  :comeon

Jeb has no chance in 2016 but the best thing for him to do is to stay in this primary until it's clear that either a libertarian or a non-politician is going to win the nomination. He is the Establishment candidate and is driving people to consider someone new.

Then in 2019, when the House districts are still gerrymandered enough to leave Republicans with a majority in there, he can run saying that the massive landslide victory of Hillary in 2016 shows that while the American people want a conservative government they do not want a radical Cruz/Carson/whoever in charge. That it is time to elect a conservative who is a pragmatist.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2015, 02:51:08 AM

If the GOP doesn't want Jeb! (peaked at 17%, the same as Scott Walker and Rand Paul...Chris Christie peaked at 20%) now, why would they want him in 2020?

I mean, Mitt Romney was roughly as or more competitive in 2008 nationally. And led in both Iowa and NH until about December. And he still got shoved around for a while in 2012 by Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich of all people. (As late as mid-March the national polls were Romney 35% - Santorum 29% - Gingrich 14% - Paul 11%; on Feb 28th Santorum led Romney 33-31.)

The failure of Romney, Rudy and (compared to the current field) Fred Thompson (and ultimately Johm McCain) didn't lead to more moderate candidates in 2012. Nor did the failure of Jon Huntsman, Tim Pawlenty and ultimately Romney (arguably all to the right of Rudy and pre-epic pandering mode Johm McCain) in 2012 lead to a more moderate field in 2016.

And the "establishment" is getting more fractured and more gunned down or dying off. Taking the RCP average you could argue that the "Tea Party wing" has two-thirds (combined polling of 68%) of the candidates (Trump, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee, Paul, Jindal, Santorum), and both Kasich and Rubio (combined 12%) rode the 2010 wave into office. The "establishment/moderates" has at best 18% in the polls right now (Rubio-Jeb?-Christie-Graham-Pataki) and moving Carly, Kasich and/or Santorum into that group doesn't get them much past 25%.

One could argue the "establishment" peaked in either September 2013 (Christie-Rubio-Jeb! at 42% vs. Paul-Cruz-Walker-Santorum-Jindal at 33%) or September 2014 (Christie-Jeb!-Rubio at 31% vs. Huckabee-Paul-Cruz-Walker-Santorum-Jindal at 40% with Kasich at 2%. If you slid Huckabee and Kasich over to the "establishment/moderate" side it's 43% vs 29%. Santorum is at 3%.)

I'd expect an even less moderate field, especially if Hillary wins and is polling strong in 2019. Candidates aren't going to want to enter a likely losing race. Outside the bin Laden bump, Obama had a negative job approval from basically July 2010 to January 2012. And the Republicans still didn't churn out a field of big time candidates. Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Gary Johnson, Rick Santorum, Thaddeus McCotter,  Buddy Romer, and Jon Huntsman was the field with Romney and Gingrich before Perry finally entered in August 2011. Haley Barbour almost got in, and Trump played hard to get. But Christie, Jeb!, Daniels, Huckabee, Palin, Petraeus, Scott Brown, etc. all passed and pretty quickly. Even a guy like Pataki did.

Title: Re: :-(
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2015, 03:28:36 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSl8N5jUsAAxgcg.png:large)
Response to this (via lednerg on GAF): http://www.scribd.com/doc/283322806/Hillary-Clinton-Circumcision-Email

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSl186ZUEAAe2k2.png:large)

more emoji/blackberry troubles: https://foia.state.gov/searchapp/DOCUMENTS/HRCEmail_OctWeb/247/DOC_0C05793150/C05793150.pdf

This whole thing has been worth it for people actually reading these e-mails and finding the goofy ones.

Hillary's campaign should "push" some of these, put quotes on their merchandise, etc. Like that pant suit shirt. It makes her more likable than "likable enough" and Chill with Hill.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2015, 04:37:36 AM

patented benjipwns triple post:
Could America Elect a Mentally Ill President?
Yes. In fact, we probably already did. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/10/politics-mental-illness-history-213276?paginate=false)

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Yet one large taboo remains stubbornly fixed—mental illness. Sure, it’s part of the conversation, in that pundits these days can, and do, speculate casually about whether Donald Trump has narcissistic personality disorder, Joe Biden has slid into depression, Hillary Clinton is clinically paranoid or Jeb Bush will be undone by a Freudian sibling tangle. But here’s the really sick thing: For a politician to admit to seeing a psychiatrist would likely be far more politically damaging than any of the possible symptoms of actual mental illness.

For a president or a candidate, it’s the “kiss of death,” says Burton Lee, George H.W. Bush’s presidential physician. It would “create a crisis of confidence” in the country, says David Axelrod, former senior adviser to President Barack Obama. “I’d like to believe I’m wrong,” he adds, but a commander in chief who disclosed a mental illness would face an almost insurmountable political problem: “Every time he said a cross word or expressed frustration, people would say, ‘He’s having one of those days.’” Instead, Axelrod wryly notes, “We just watch their hair turn gray.”

More than 40 years have passed since Thomas Eagleton, the 1972 Democratic vice presidential candidate, withdrew from the race after revealing that he had been hospitalized for depression. Since that political firestorm, the issue has remained firmly off-limits: No Democratic or Republican nominee running for president or vice president has disclosed mental illness or treatment for it ever since—to do so would be politically incurable. And as recently as the last election cycle, congressional and state-level campaigns were digging up past psychiatric treatment to bludgeon their opponents.

“Any vulnerability can be exploited by people and will be,” explains Newt Gingrich, the former speaker of the House and presidential candidate, whose late mother had bipolar disorder. “That’s just the nature of a very rough-and-tumble-type business.”

As a result, the notion of politicians merely consulting with a mental health professional remains the topic of only hushed conversations or forceful denials. When President Bill Clinton admitted to infidelity and impeachment loomed, talking to a psychiatrist remained a political nonstarter. Aides told reporters that Clinton was seeking the counsel of Christian ministers but was “not under any medical treatment for any psychiatric or mental condition.” Even two decades later, “crazy” remains a politically acceptable epithet, whether it’s Obama taunting Republican opponents or Representative Trey Gowdy quipping that he did not want to wrangle members of the House in a leadership position because he did not “have a background in mental health.”

...

Nixon and John F. Kennedy clandestinely filled their medicine cabinets with psychotropic drugs, recently uncovered documents reveal. In fact, Kennedy aide and historian Arthur Schlesinger Jr. suggested in his journals that several modern presidents were mentally unbalanced; he recorded top aides arguing whether President Lyndon Johnson was clinically paranoid or a manic-depressive, and fretted that there was no constitutional “procedure for dealing with nuts.”

In other words, mental illness is surely more common in Washington than the public knows or wants to believe. In 2006, after an embarrassing car accident, Representative Patrick Kennedy, JFK’s nephew, became a rare politician to announce he would seek treatment for his addiction and bipolar disorder. Soon, Kennedy says, several congressional colleagues privately revealed their own illnesses to him—but would not make them public. After interviewing more than three dozen people for this article, I found only one current member of Congress who has been open while in office about struggling with mental health: freshman Arizona Representative Ruben Gallego, an Iraq War veteran who suffers from post-traumatic stress disorder.

When it comes to their mental health, however, politicians, including the one with the nuclear launch codes, are “just like everybody else,” Lee says. Some diagnoses are dangerous, but others are manageable with treatment. For instance, he says, “A president can function very well if he has a mild anxiety disorder or obsessive compulsive [disorder].”

Which raises the question: When roughly a fifth of American adults use medication and millions go to talk therapy for their mental health, why shouldn’t the people governing the country be able to as well?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on October 31, 2015, 05:34:30 AM

Sounds like more D.C. shrinks should become dual threat quarterbacks and get ordained to talk on behalf of imaginary friends.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2015, 08:32:16 AM

Republicans will do what they've been doing for years. If Hillary wins we'll get 6 months of hand wringing and calls for a more inclusive party. We'll suddenly see more white female republicans on talk shows - hell, maybe Fiorina will become chairwoman of the RNC. But ultimately nothing will change, the rhetoric will start getting ugly after a year, and republicans will ride a wave of anger and white districts to 2018 midterm victories.

Tea party types will see this as validation for more extremism, moderates will preach restraint. Regardless the party will be operating from the far right, stoking white resentment and investigating Hillary nonstop.

Basically republicans are like a sports team with a rapidly shrinking window for success. Instead of rebuilding they keep doubling down on their old roster, hoping they can squeeze one more championship run out of it. Demographics continue to look terrible for republicans yet they continue to shit on minorities. Party wise they control the senate, house, and most state legislatures in the country. All they need is a presidential win to make some sweeping legislative and judicial changes that'll transform the nation in many ways (destroy or bleed Obamacare, 2-4 Supreme Court justices, massive tax cuts, perhaps some religious freedom laws on national level, deregulation, ground troops in Iraq or Syria, etc).

Basically they're putting all their chips on a short term victory and endangering long term viability. 2020 is a Census year and general election. That increased turnout is gonna ensure gerrymandering is more favorable for democrats than 2010 was. Lots of brown districts are gonna be drawn, and suddenly that window is gonna be closed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on October 31, 2015, 11:14:15 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 31, 2015, 02:51:08 AM

If the GOP doesn't want Jeb! (peaked at 17%, the same as Scott Walker and Rand Paul...Chris Christie peaked at 20%) now, why would they want him in 2020?
I mean, Mitt Romney was roughly as or more competitive in 2008 nationally. And led in both Iowa and NH until about December. And he still got shoved around for a while in 2012 by Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich of all people. (As late as mid-March the national polls were Romney 35% - Santorum 29% - Gingrich 14% - Paul 11%; on Feb 28th Santorum led Romney 33-31.)
The failure of Ronney, Rudy and (compared to the current field) Fred Thompson (and ultimately Johm McCain) didn't lead to more moderate candidates in 2012. Nor did the failure of Jon Huntsman, Tim Pawlenty and ultimately Romney (arguably all to the right of Rudy and pre-epic pandering mode Johm McCain) in 2012 lead to a more moderate field in 2016.
And the "establishment" is getting more fractured and more gunned down or dying off. Taking the RCP average you could argue that the "Tea Party wing" has two-thirds (combined polling of 68%) of the candidates (Trump, Carson, Cruz, Fiorina, Huckabee, Paul, Jindal, Santorum), and both Kasich and Rubio (combined 12%) rode the 2010 wave into office. The "establishment/moderates" has at best 18% in the polls right now (Rubio-Jeb?-Christie-Graham-Pataki) and moving Carly, Kasich and/or Santorum into that group doesn't get them much past 25%.
One could argue the "establishment" peaked in either September 2013 (Christie-Rubio-Jeb! at 42% vs. Paul-Cruz-Walker-Santorum-Jindal at 33%) or September 2014 (Christie-Jeb!-Rubio at 31% vs. Huckabee-Paul-Cruz-Walker-Santorum-Jindal at 40% with Kasich at 2%. If you slid Huckabee and Kasich over to the "establishment/moderate" side it's 43% vs 29%. Santorum is at 3%.)
I'd expect an even less moderate field, especially if Hillary wins and is polling strong in 2019. Candidates aren't going to want to enter a likely losing race. Outside the bin Laden bump, Obama had a negative job approval from basically July 2010 to January 2012. And the Republicans still didn't churn out a field of big time candidates. Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cain, Gary Johnson, Rick Santorum, Thaddeus McCotter,  Buddy Romer, and Jon Huntsman was the field with Romney and Gingrich before Perry finally entered in August 2011. Haley Barbour almost got in, and Trump played hard to get. But Christie, Jeb!, Daniels, Huckabee, Palin, Petraeus, Scott Brown, etc. all passed and pretty quickly. Even a guy like Pataki did.

Romney and McCain were establishment candidates who tried to zig zag between right and left during the primary and general. No one would have thought they were true to their principles and it's pretty hard to win independents who aren't sure exactly what your policy goals are. If somebody like Cruz or Trump gets nominated, the amount they lose by in 2016 will make lifelong Republicans traumatized enough to consider that only a moderate candidate could win the general election.

I'm not a mind-reader but I don't think anyone is really a die-hard-never-going-to-change-again Tea Partier. I think 95% of Republicans are just afraid of people who are gay/brown, gun control, and taxes. There's not much point going after healthcare/immigration/gay marriage but ensuring gun rights and lowering taxes could be a popular platform. I don't hear anyone else coming up with a better plan.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2015, 01:40:11 PM

I disagree. True believers nominated Goldwater in 1964 which was a disaster. Yet they had no problem bucking the establishment and picking Reagan in 1976 for instance. True believers rarely see the light, they simply come up with excuses for failure.

If Cruz received the nom and got crushed by Hillary while running a far right campaign...the right would argue it was inevitable due to the liberal media. Or that illegal immigrants gave her the victory by inflating electoral college delegates. Or even that Ted Cruz simply wasn't conservative enough.

The establishment would see the loss for the disaster it was, but at this point can we have confidence they can retake the party from these extremists?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on October 31, 2015, 03:46:22 PM

Biggest irony is the repubs might have seen the greatest long term success if the SC had ruled different on Citizens United.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on October 31, 2015, 03:55:17 PM

It's certainly not guaranteed that they'll become logical about it but I'm saying that's the best thing for Jeb to do even when he knows he's just burning money at this point. Stay in the race pushing the radical fringe to be more radical and when whatever true believer wins the nomination but gets crushed in the general election, then you have a platform for suggesting a "new" type of conservative party THAT CAN WIN!!!

It's not an easy way for him to win but it's the smartest play available.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 31, 2015, 05:10:20 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-oliver-donald-trump

John Oliver, comedian and host of HBO's "Last Week Tonight" on Friday said that he's not at all interested in having Donald Trump on his show.

"I don’t really care about him in any capacity," he said on CBS' "This Morning." "I don’t really have anything to say to him."

Oliver explained that an interview with Trump would not yield anything new about the real estate mogul and Republican presidential candidate.

"He’s said everything he wants to say. He has no internal monologue, that man. So it’s not like you’re going to find the secret nugget he’s been holding back. He’s an open book And that book doesn’t have that many interesting words in it," Oliver said.

 :heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2015, 02:35:59 PM

come get your boy, Triumph
https://twitter.com/MarkHalperin/status/660902257664376836

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Barry Egan on November 01, 2015, 10:08:41 PM

This is fucking embarrassing.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/01/read-the-letter-that-ben-ginsberg-drafted-for-the-gop-summit/

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/files/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-01-at-9.31.34-PM.png)
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/files/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-01-at-9.31.45-PM.png)
(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/files/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-01-at-9.31.51-PM.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2015, 10:22:29 PM

I'm not watching if there's no props.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 01, 2015, 10:27:17 PM

Does trumps hair count as a prop?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2015, 10:36:32 PM

Honestly on one hand it's pretty pathetic but on the other hand can you blame them? Republicans have already turned running for president into little more than a PR exercise+audition for a six figure Fox gig, now they're simply adding debates into the scam.  These things are getting great ratings, demand is high...why not take advantage of that leverage.

I thought the CNBC debate was trash but the claims of liberal bias are laughable. They had Santelli asking questions for christs sake. These dudes sound like utter babies.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 02, 2015, 04:48:49 AM

its weird isn't it, that all those guys organized and negotiated better terms for themselves, after threatening to strike if their terms weren't met.

I mean, is this a new invention? This sort of tactic? Repubs just invented it, right? Cause it sounds kinds like they formed a union, but that can't be because they're all staunchly opposed to that sort of thing, so it must be something else.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 02, 2015, 08:39:53 AM

Nope. Judging typeface is very important.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 02, 2015, 10:37:49 AM

Maybe they should  be more like their favorite leader Putin and man up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Trent Dole on November 02, 2015, 11:04:27 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/02/jeb-bush-relaunches-campaign-jeb-can-fix/
Can Jeb fix it?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: studyguy on November 02, 2015, 12:03:34 PM

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/jebrally.jpg)

Jeb's new PR guy on point with that banner.

(http://thefranchiseking.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341ca59e53ef0133f1fa99af970b-500wi)
I think I got it this time, Jeb!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 02, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

Bush’s new 730-page e-book, “Reply All,” compiles his email exchanges with constituents during his tenure as Florida’s governor.

Who on Earth would read such a thing. (Besides benji-kun.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2015, 01:47:20 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/obama-prisoner-release-215431

:mindblown
demonize non-violent drug offenders brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 02, 2015, 01:50:30 PM

For me it's like even if they went out and did some heinous shit we're the ones who made them hardened criminals by throwing their ass in the pen for nothing. I'd still consider it society's fault.

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2015, 01:55:33 PM

Politico pushing Willie Horton hard in that article. :beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2015, 01:56:24 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 02, 2015, 01:05:03 PM

Bush’s new 730-page e-book, “Reply All,” compiles his email exchanges with constituents during his tenure as Florida’s governor.

Who on Earth would read such a thing. (Besides benji-kun.)

Who does he think he is, Hillary Rodham Clinton? I bet Sidney Blumenthal never sent him so much as a funny cat pic.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 02, 2015, 02:02:45 PM

Bet it makes the NYTs best seller list. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2015, 11:13:48 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/SKf1TaV.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 03, 2015, 01:54:44 PM

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5637fdb6e4b079a43c046244

America still #1. :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Yeti on November 03, 2015, 04:12:40 PM

It's strenuous work having to constantly clutch at your pearls all the time

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 04:38:49 PM

it's stressful providing the tax base that sustain minority life  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 03, 2015, 05:54:40 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2015, 11:13:48 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/SKf1TaV.png)

Now with vidya

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCqJRJptDsY

 :whew  :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 03, 2015, 07:45:02 PM

I love how when ever Obama stomps on the GOP he always brings up how he got OBL.  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 07:52:45 PM

Looks like Kentucky voted to take their healthcare away. Cut off your nose to spite your face brehs.

you get what you vote for. ask Kansas  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on November 03, 2015, 07:57:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 07:52:45 PM

Looks like Kentucky voted to take their healthcare away. Cut off your nose to spite your face brehs.

you get what you vote for. ask Kansas  :doge

It's official?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 03, 2015, 08:19:12 PM

I'm not 100% sure he'll do that.  Probably just say they're working for a repeal at the federal level :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 08:28:06 PM

Nah, Bevin is a true believer which is partially why the RNC seemingly threw him in the bushes. I don't think he'll do it day one, but he's going to shitcan KyNect. Likely in some type of backhanded way so he can deny some culpability, like shitcanning funding for insurance agents or taking down the website. Basically make it as hard as possible to sign up for and watch it slowly bleed out.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2015, 08:50:15 PM

He said he'd just eliminate it and force people onto the federal exchange. I expect that's what he'll do. Stupid people are stupid, news at 11. (sorry K-bore)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 03, 2015, 08:53:01 PM

He can't "repeal the ACA." It's dubious whether he can even eliminate the Medicaid expansion easily I think? Not entirely sure. All he can do for sure is kill Kynect, which then means that the idiot buttfuckers that voted for him can just sign up for coverage on the federal exchange.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 08:56:18 PM

Looks like you're right. He's saying it'll take 12 months due to the processing but the plan is to shit can KyNect and use the federal exchange.

He'll have to wait a bit to opt out of Medicaid but he'll be able to set that up pretty quickly.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on November 03, 2015, 10:28:53 PM

Well, on the plus side, the Dems will be taking control of the Pennsylvania supreme court, which would have huge ramifications for redistricting next time around.

Also, Issue 1 in Ohio, another anti-gerrymander bill looks like it'll pass comfortably. While it won't effect congressional lines, this gives hope that next year, when they introduce a bill to take care of that specific problem, will pass just as easily.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2015, 03:08:14 AM

Jeb? apologizes: (http://"http://time.com/4099175/jeb-bush-republican-debate-france-apology/")

Quote

Speaking to reporters aboard his campaign bus on the first leg of a three-day swing through New Hampshire, Bush once again criticized congressional lawmakers for working a three-day week, saying lawmakers have over-promised and under-delivered to the American people in successive elections. But the GOP presidential hopeful acknowledged he was wrong to criticize the French when he was trying to highlight rival Marco Rubio’s poor voting record in the Senate.

“I made the mistake of saying that the Congress operates on a French work week,” he deadpanned. “I really did a disservice to the French,” Bush added with a chuckle Tuesday.

“My inbox was full of French journalists,” piped in campaign spokesman Tim Miller.

“I now know that the average French workweek is actually greater than the German workweek,” Bush continued. “So, my God, I totally insulted an entire country—our first ally—that helped us become free as a nation! And I apologize. That did a huge disservice to France. It didn’t really get to the magnitude of the problem: Three day work week.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 04, 2015, 03:18:40 AM

It's OK, the French probably doesn't really care for you and won't have ever to.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2015, 06:12:48 AM

I'm surprised he didn't double down. Maybe throw some French Revolution jokes in there too.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 04, 2015, 09:32:34 AM

His new campaign manager is turning things around. Two weeks ago he would have mentioned his brother somehow. Maybe Freedom fries?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 04, 2015, 09:44:21 AM

A three day work week is something to aspire to, not condemn. And in the case of lawmakers, I'd always prefer they spend less time on the clock since they're clowns in general.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2015, 10:45:42 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 04, 2015, 09:32:34 AM

His new campaign manager is turning things around. Two weeks ago he would have mentioned his brother somehow. Maybe Freedom fries?

Should have blamed the mainstream media, that always seems to work.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: T234 on November 04, 2015, 12:06:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2015, 07:52:45 PM

Looks like Kentucky voted to take their healthcare away. Cut off your nose to spite your face brehs.

you get what you vote for. ask Kansas  :doge

If that motherfucker Bevin fucks everything up like Brownback, I'm gonna shit in his glovebox every month until he gets the message.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2015, 09:46:50 AM

https://soundcloud.com/abcpolitics/ben-carson-radio-ad

Sick rhymes

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 05, 2015, 09:53:14 AM

If the French hadn't saved George Washington's insurrection against the British, Americans would all still be speaking English.

Show a little gratitude, !Jeb.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2015, 11:06:35 AM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcdermott/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-built-for-grain-storage-not-by#.viyQO8WO5 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcdermott/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-built-for-grain-storage-not-by#.viyQO8WO5)

GOP Frontrunner :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2015, 11:27:36 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/oqoIkPw.jpg?1)

Book of the Year :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Rufus on November 05, 2015, 11:34:16 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2015, 11:06:35 AM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcdermott/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-built-for-grain-storage-not-by#.viyQO8WO5 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcdermott/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-built-for-grain-storage-not-by#.viyQO8WO5)

GOP Frontrunner :doge

Feels like an internet troll is running for president.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2015, 12:49:57 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 05, 2015, 11:06:35 AM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcdermott/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-built-for-grain-storage-not-by#.viyQO8WO5 (http://www.buzzfeed.com/natemcdermott/ben-carson-egyptian-pyramids-built-for-grain-storage-not-by#.viyQO8WO5)

GOP Frontrunner :doge

This is a debunked medieval times theory, did Dr. Carson also practice bloodletting to rebalace the humours of his patients?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 05, 2015, 01:11:09 PM

Why do you want to erase the accomplishments of Jewry, Joe? I bet you don't think David killed Goliath or Sampson slayed an entire army with only an ass's jawbone. (That's right, badonkadonk appreciation is just one more thing hip hop appropriated from the Tribe.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2015, 01:18:06 PM

Carson is legit scary. Probably more than Trump.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2015, 01:21:35 PM

That was pretty badass, almost as much so as when he prayed to God give him the strength to commit a totally epic murder/suicide (to get out of a situation he was only in because he was addicted to pussy). Sampson was metal as fuck.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2015, 01:25:08 PM

Samson is one of those moments the good book goes all tongue in cheek.

The Hero you deserve indeed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2015, 04:04:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDW1R9OmOr0

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2015, 04:26:49 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTE7TCsXAAAyPT1.png)
:fbm

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2015, 04:30:08 PM

I actually hate the boy, and now all Mexicans and therefore all Latinos and therefore all Hispanics, in that video because of the way he enunciates sentences. "Share this video! If you're fed up with. IT!"

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Motherfucker.

[close]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 05, 2015, 04:31:01 PM

lol WSJ doesn't know who Martin O'Malley is? Shit who does.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 05, 2015, 04:51:24 PM

I was like, is that the other democratic candidate?  But I couldn't remember his name.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2015, 04:57:21 PM

He's talking about his dick I think.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: toku on November 05, 2015, 05:34:40 PM

http://bitterempire.com/jeb/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 05, 2015, 07:21:02 PM

It's pretty impressive how Murdoch turned it into a rag. I wouldn't be caught dead reading it in public.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2015, 08:28:37 PM

Now that murdoch owns Nat. Geo., I'm waiting for article pointing out how "poor" tribes people still have plate lip.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brob on November 05, 2015, 08:36:55 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 05, 2015, 08:28:37 PM

Now that murdoch owns Nat. Geo., I'm waiting for article pointing out how "poor" tribes people still have plate lip.

he's already fired all the fact checkers so it's not that far off I bet. I'm very excited at the prospect of someone introducing some nuance to how we remember the good sir Francis Galton  :tophat

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2015, 08:46:51 PM

Nat Geo was a great pick up for murdoch's viewer base since no one reads and all it takes to grab their attention is nice pictures.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 05, 2015, 09:19:44 PM

The day science died.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 05, 2015, 10:38:57 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 05, 2015, 07:21:02 PM

It's pretty impressive how Murdoch turned it into a rag. I wouldn't be caught dead reading it in public.

WSJ editorial has always been a cesspool, before Murdoch and after, move along nothing to see here.

Only question was how they would infect the actual news content they publish, which has mostly been surprising ok in spite of their shit overlords.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 11:08:59 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTFjqrSXAAAOefX.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 11:11:06 AM

Quote

"Regardless of this decision tonight, Senator Graham continues to be the foremost expert on foreign policy and national security in this field of candidates, on either stage," Christian Ferry, his campaign manager, said in a statement. "In the end, the biggest loser tonight is the American people and the Republican Presidential primary process that has been hijacked by news outlets."

Quote

In his own statement, Pataki said he was "very disappointed tonight that early national polls are shaping the election choices for the American people. This new trend is a danger to our primary system, a disservice to voters everywhere, especially those in Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina and a clear boost for the worship of celebrity over accomplishment and ideas."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 11:30:58 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 06, 2015, 11:26:56 AM

Awesome jobs report today. 271,000 jobs added, 9 cent hourly private sector wage increase, U3 at 5%.

Trump and Paul D. Ryan already doin' work. :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2015, 11:37:06 AM

Yep, businesses are already anticipating a republican presidency and 2.5% unemployment   :rejoice

the end of NOBAMA :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2015, 11:40:32 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598)

Ben Carson seems like a sociopath.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: kingkitty on November 06, 2015, 11:49:45 AM

i'm sick of this liberal witch hunt

leave ben alone please

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 11:54:40 AM

kinda funny how now the media wants to investigate a black man's backstory

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 06, 2015, 11:57:23 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 06, 2015, 11:40:32 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598 (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598)

Ben Carson seems like a sociopath.

"seems"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2015, 12:54:06 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/662672380561661952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I think Trump's won me over.

I don't want him to be Prez but it'd be hilarious if he got the nomination. He's certainly better than Carson and Jeb.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

hmmm
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/662698119377776640

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 01:52:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

hmmm
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/662698119377776640

So he lied three months ago to setup this lie now? This guy really is a Bond villain after all!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 06, 2015, 02:06:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 01:40:00 PM

hmmm
https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/662698119377776640

Ben Carson and that dude have no idea how West Point admissions work.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 06, 2015, 03:17:35 PM

You mean the guy who lied about his relationship with a supplement company and has his own insipid conspiracy theories about the Pyramids has been dishonest about other things?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on November 06, 2015, 03:19:16 PM

From what I got our of that article, it seems like there was a good chance he could get in if he was the top ROTC candidate in a major metro like Detroit and if he wanted to bug a congressman . Granted, everyone who gets in has all their costs covered and he probably made up the story to make it seem like he had some military chops.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 03:20:14 PM

NM Contra you're right. Just heard audio of him on PBS late month saying he indeed received a scholarship offer from West Point. I thought, as did Weigel, that there might be some wiggle room - ie perhaps he meant "West Point wanted me to come blah blah" without specifics. But he literally said scholarship.

fucking dumbass

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 03:30:02 PM

Look, it's whatever answer you want:
(http://i.imgur.com/lUE8l5p.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 03:32:05 PM

But don't take my word for it, I have now joined HUELEN10 as a Ben Carson supporter because I said it was another instance of Politico rushing to judgement on something they didn't ask off a confirmation they got for something they did.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2015, 03:45:47 PM

FBI was hella triggered.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: studyguy on November 06, 2015, 03:56:49 PM

Won't change anything.
SHILLARY LIED BENGAY DIED

Edit: Searched Google for "bengay" as a joke to post the cream and ended up with this.
Beaten to the punch.

(http://www.whatthortoldme.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ben-gay-ze3.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 06, 2015, 04:52:54 PM

Is Ben Carson legit crazy?

I just don't get it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 06, 2015, 04:55:28 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 06, 2015, 04:52:54 PM

Is Ben Carson legit crazy?

I just don't get it.

Not to play armchair psychologist too hard but he gives me sociopathic vibes even more so than the typical politically driven asshole.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 05:02:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZQVCFVVVE0

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 06:22:53 PM

I don't know what's going on with Carson but it's disturbing. I understand the deep appeal he has with conservatives, specifically Evangelicals and those who herald the tokenism aspect of black republicans*. The thing that blows me away is his conduct. He has displayed a stunning level of ignorance on multiple occasions. Like Obama and Jeb Bush, he thinks while he talks...but unlike them he comes off as completely unversed on a vast majority of subjects. He's a doctor yet doesn't seem to understand how Medicare works for christs sake...

I wouldn't be stunned at all if we find out he's severely in debt due to a Ponzi scheme or something. Why he went from reserved surgeon to barnstorming speaker...I don't know, but debt seems like a possibility to me. He genuinely seems like a complete idiot on most non-medicine/surgery issues.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2015, 06:27:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S3PofPbm9fQ

"I attacked my mother with an hammer"

...

What ?

EDIT : Apparently it is known from his own book but still... what ?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Rufus on November 06, 2015, 06:33:17 PM

Definitely leaning toward psycho now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2015, 06:34:58 PM

His whole story is like a carefully crafted narrative to boost his appeal to white people while also being really racist:

-Violent, inner-city youth who attacked friends and his mom
-Found Jesus along the way
-Pulled his self up by his own bootstraps
-Was the best ROTC in the whole city
-But became a really awesome doctor instead
-Believes any and all far-right fringe conservative nonsense
-Is a true "African-American" unlike Obama

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 06:40:22 PM

I suppose to play devil's advocate you could argue that Obama also allegedly trumped up the extent of his drug use in his memoir.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2015, 06:40:26 PM

Dude seems like he is breaking down, to be fair.

This is all so baffling... I don't understand if the whole "attacked with an hammer" / "tried to stab a friend" -which, as far as I understand, were told by him in his own bio- is a tall tale or some misplaced show of honesty from his part... neither option shines a good light on him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2015, 06:42:43 PM

Anyway, in light of those recent developments, I think we can safely call it :

AMIROX TO THE WHITE HOUSE 2024 ! WOW !

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 06, 2015, 06:42:57 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 06, 2015, 06:40:26 PM

Dude seems like he is breaking down, to be fair.

This is all so baffling... I don't understand if the whole "attacked with an hammer" / "tried to stab a friend" -which, as far as I understand, were told by him in his own bio- is a tall tale or some misplaced show of honesty from his part... neither option shines a good light on him.

It's not all that baffling if you concede some kind of bullshit narrative like Rumbler alluded to. Also he seems strongly the type that is definitely unhinged and the mask is coming off in public now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brob on November 06, 2015, 06:45:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 06:22:53 PM

He's a doctor yet doesn't seem to understand how Medicare works for christs sake...

being a good, or even great, surgeon doesn't really require critical thinking. However, being good with his hands probably has some correlation with being a good at fucking. So you should still be able to desire respect him as a member of the black community imo.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 06, 2015, 06:47:36 PM

Quote from: brob on November 06, 2015, 06:45:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 06:22:53 PM

He's a doctor yet doesn't seem to understand how Medicare works for christs sake...

being a good, or even great, surgeon doesn't really require critical thinking. However, being good with his hands probably has some correlation with being a good at fucking. So you should still be able to desire respect him as a member of the black community imo.

 :leon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 06, 2015, 06:49:50 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 06, 2015, 06:42:43 PM

Anyway, in light of those recent developments, I think we can safely call it :

AMIROX TO THE WHITE HOUSE 2024 ! WOW !

Transatlantic ships east, gentlemen.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 06:51:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 06:40:22 PM

I suppose to play devil's advocate you could argue that Obama also allegedly trumped up the extent of his drug use in his memoir.  :doge

Obama left out his whole "INTERCEPTED" bullshit. And by the time that came out it was too late.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2015, 06:53:30 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 06, 2015, 06:42:57 PM

It's not all that baffling if you concede some kind of bullshit narrative like Rumbler alluded to. Also he seems strongly the type that is definitely unhinged and the mask is coming off in public now.

That's a really, really, fucked up narrative to set yourself to even by the standards of self aggrandizing egomaniacs.
It compliments well the whole "I diverted a gunman to a cashier ah ah ah" / "throw yourself in front of bullets, pansies".

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 06:59:02 PM

I agree with Rumbler but I think the Christian angle is bigger than the racial angle here. Plenty of Evangelicals and Seventh Day Adventists place a lot of emphasis on testimony - ie "before Christ I was xyz, now I'm better." Carson being some violent degenerate who found Christ and became a peaceful man appeals to that mindset, and is partially why he's doing so well amongst Evangelicals in Iowa right now. He speaks their language, and has for years.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2015, 07:05:27 PM

Also he may or may not be dropping some not so silent but deadly gasses at the 5:20 mark.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brob on November 06, 2015, 07:15:30 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/richard-dawkins-explains-why-hes-backing-republican-presidential-candidate-ben-carson-a6724556.html

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 06, 2015, 07:28:19 PM

Quote from: brob on November 06, 2015, 07:15:30 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/richard-dawkins-explains-why-hes-backing-republican-presidential-candidate-ben-carson-a6724556.html

:dead

Are you there god? It's me, Karakand.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on November 06, 2015, 08:40:12 PM

Dawkins has ventured far up his own ass if he thinks endorsing Carson for that reason will encourage the registered Republicans in his fanbase to go out and vote for him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2015, 08:51:49 PM

Dawkins has been up his ass for so long he has become a Möbius strip.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 06, 2015, 08:53:42 PM

Dawkins reviling someone else for their arrogance is making my head cave in.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 09:06:39 PM

I'd be surprised if a poll of evangelicals correctly identified who Richard Dawkins is over "that guy who wrote The Da Vinci Code" let alone had their vote influenced by his tweets.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 06, 2015, 09:23:22 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/UhKeDkb.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 06, 2015, 09:25:46 PM

Ben Carson Defends Himself Against Allegations That He Never Attempted to Murder a Child

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/11/ben-carson-may-have-never-stabbed-anyone.html

Yes, that an the actual headline about a man running for president.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on November 06, 2015, 09:41:11 PM

From his interviews, I think he believes god gave him the goal/destiny to become president and so this implosion over his identity was inevitable. He probably should just quietly admit that he exaggerated some things and keep trying to build up his black doctor friend image.

My prediction/hope is he stays in the race for a few months before caving in so that all his supporters go to Trump at a time when the polls matter.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2015, 09:45:27 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2015, 06:34:58 PM

His whole story is like a carefully crafted narrative to boost his appeal to white people while also being really racist:
-Pulled his self up by his own bootstraps
-Was the best ROTC in the whole city
-But became a really awesome doctor instead

I've found it odd I haven't seen more mocking of this bootstrap story, even among the "left" and Democrats: "We were super poor so I became the best student ever, went to Yale and became a world renown brain surgeon!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 06, 2015, 10:08:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/tOqIkSX.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on November 06, 2015, 10:50:44 PM

What 's the difference between Hillary Clinton and Ben Carson?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Carson admitted that he tried to murder a close friend. :smug

[close]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 11:33:41 PM

WSJ
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTLLLNnXIAAl9K_.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 06, 2015, 11:41:56 PM

Brain surgeon is also pathological liar. Carson is basically his own Onion headline, over and over.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Barry Egan on November 06, 2015, 11:52:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 11:33:41 PM

WSJ
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTLLLNnXIAAl9K_.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol

P.S. that professors name was Albert Einstein

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2015, 12:20:47 AM

What a time to be alive

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2015, 12:24:40 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2015, 11:33:41 PM

WSJ
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTLLLNnXIAAl9K_.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol

And then Marine Todd showed up to shame the liberal professor for trying to bribe his students.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 07, 2015, 12:28:06 AM

I'm starting to think it's Ben Carson behind all those 4chan trolls about telling lib professors off.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2015, 02:12:06 AM

My IQ is in the top tenth of 1%. :smug

>posts in the comment section of National Review

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 02:27:11 AM

Quote

Carson’s ... speculations regarding the purpose of the pyramids ... Yet this line of attack is fruitless. Carson may not be as fluent in public policy as the professional politicians who’ve been debating these issues for years

I didn't know this was a public policy issue being debated by professional politicians for years.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2015, 02:30:56 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 02:27:11 AM

Quote

Carson’s ... speculations regarding the purpose of the pyramids ... Yet this line of attack is fruitless. Carson may not be as fluent in public policy as the professional politicians who’ve been debating these issues for years

I didn't know this was a public policy issue being debated by professional politicians for years.

Maybe you're unfamiliar with the public policy debates of professional politician Giorgio Tsoukalos, hosted every Friday night 9/8c on the History Channel?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM

Are you saying it was Aliens? :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 07, 2015, 02:58:50 AM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM

Are you saying it was Aliens? :doge

The ancient Israelites were legal immigrants to Egypt. :bolo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2015, 02:59:23 AM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 07, 2015, 02:55:11 AM

Are you saying it was Aliens? :doge

(http://www.openminds.tv/wp-content/uploads/I-am-not-saying.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 07, 2015, 03:09:00 AM

(http://abload.de/img/ezgif.com-resizef4o1y.gif)

 :cody

Rush Limbaugh getting a hard on for playing the Race Card at last :

Quote

“electronic lynching being conducted against the Republican African-American candidate by a majority-white mainstream American liberal media.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2015, 04:21:15 AM

Gifted Hands: Rated X by an All-White Mainstream American Liberal Media Jury.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 07:08:12 AM

Hey, remember when this crazy person was running for the Republican nomination four years ago:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/bachmann-convert-many-jews-possible-because-christ-coming-soon

Quote

“Almost every article in the paper” has to do with conflicts in Israel, Bachmann said, “and it ties with so much biblical prophecy. This week really was about biblical prophecy in many ways. And we’re seeing as events are speeding up, events are speeding up so quickly right now, and we see how relevant the Bible is, and we’re reading our newspaper, at the same time we’re learning about these biblical events, and it’s literally day by day by day, we’re seeing the fulfillment of scripture right in front of our eyes, even while we’re on the ground.”

“We recognize the shortness of the hour,” she said, “and that’s why we as a remnant want to be faithful in these days and do what it is that the Holy Spirit is speaking to each one of us, to be faithful in the Kingdom and to help bring in as many as we can — even among the Jews — share Jesus Christ with everyone that we possibly can because, again, He’s coming soon.”

This is old but was from a linked related story on the sidebar:

Quote

On his “Washington Watch” radio program yesterday, Family Research Council president Tony Perkins weighed in on a new California policy allowing transgender prisoners to obtain gender affirmation surgery, which he described as “rewarding people who don’t just break the state’s laws, but nature’s, too.”

Perkins noted that a transgender-rights activist said that this law is especially meaningful because transgender people are incarcerated at six times the rate of the general population. “I can assure you it’s about to be more, once they know that they can get free surgery,” Perkins predicted.

“With a price tag of anywhere from $50,000 to $100,000 for these reassignment surgeries,” he explained, “I think there’s no shortage of people that may want to sign up [to go to prison].”

“California, I don’t see how people live there,” he added.

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 07, 2015, 07:53:47 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/405Fydb.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2015, 11:50:57 AM

He's going to get away with this because these stories are told every day in churches across America. These are testimonials and parables. Attacking them is like attacking faith in of itself. It doesn't help that Politico apparently jumped out the gate without doing all its due diligence (shocking).

Regular people will think he's crazy but Evangelicals and GOP primary voters? Nope.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 07, 2015, 12:22:07 PM

Quote from: http://www.wsj.com/articles/ben-carsons-past-faces-deeper-questions-1446861864

In his 1990 autobiography, “Gifted Hands,” Mr. Carson writes of a Yale psychology professor who told Mr. Carson, then a junior, and the other students in the class—identified by Mr. Carson as Perceptions 301—that their final exam papers had “inadvertently burned,” requiring all 150 students to retake it. The new exam, Mr. Carson recalled in the book, was much tougher. All the students but Mr. Carson walked out.

“The professor came toward me. With her was a photographer for the Yale Daily News who paused and snapped my picture,” Mr. Carson wrote. “ ‘A hoax,’ the teacher said. ‘We wanted to see who was the most honest student in the class.’ ” Mr. Carson wrote that the professor handed him a $10 bill.

No photo identifying Mr. Carson as a student ever ran, according to the Yale Daily News archives, and no stories from that era mention a class called Perceptions 301. Yale Librarian Claryn Spies said Friday there was no psychology course by that name or class number during any of Mr. Carson’s years at Yale.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2015, 12:28:34 PM

That $10 bill is the one he used for admission to college.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2015, 12:30:21 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTLbFbNUAAAlEbq.png:large)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2015, 12:51:38 PM

http://www.cafe.com/who-said-it-ben-carson-or-mac-from-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2015, 06:36:44 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 07, 2015, 12:51:38 PM

http://www.cafe.com/who-said-it-ben-carson-or-mac-from-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia/

The only one I got wrong was the question about prison homosexuality, I must have missed that one.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 07, 2015, 06:45:14 PM

From the home of Ben Carson.

(http://i.imgur.com/b0SUjty.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/5kmoZf7.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 07, 2015, 07:27:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2015, 12:30:21 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTLbFbNUAAAlEbq.png:large)

(http://i.imgur.com/uFTQuy0.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Atramental on November 07, 2015, 07:42:19 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 07, 2015, 06:45:14 PM

From the home of Ben Carson.

(http://i.imgur.com/b0SUjty.png)

Jesus (at least his forehead) looks a lot like Yakub in that painting.  :doge

(http://i.imgur.com/6ru512C.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 07, 2015, 08:01:32 PM

poverbs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 07, 2015, 09:25:17 PM

I don't know why this came to mind today. I really don't. Why am I even posting this, this can't be relevant.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqeC3BPYTmE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2015, 11:04:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2015, 12:30:21 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTLbFbNUAAAlEbq.png:large)

And then Ben Carson was like "hey, I think that's the guy you want over there" and pointed at the camp counselor.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2015, 12:31:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YGzXYSzzxE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2015, 01:45:30 AM

 :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2015, 03:50:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyDd5pF5Kbg

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Rman on November 08, 2015, 04:54:33 PM

Carson had a fun week. Such an entertaining candidate!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2015, 02:33:48 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/jeb-bush-on-killing-baby-hitler_5640e1b6e4b0411d3071da54?eoy9zfr

(http://i.imgur.com/j1Wvg0Y.png)

This is going to be my favorite phase in the death of the Jeb! campaign:  when he tries so hard to not be low-energy that he becomes Poochie the Dog.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2015, 02:40:22 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

You gotta step up, man.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2015, 02:44:08 PM

Would he kill baby Cheney? :hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2015, 02:52:34 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

To be fair to the press, it was a question from a reddit AMA.

Plus, you guys elected a coke-binging Chris Farley caricature as the mayor of your biggest city.   

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2015, 02:54:55 PM

Ben Carson redeemed: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1137590


(http://i.imgur.com/9baIyVx.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2015, 03:12:18 PM

lmao @ Ben Carson saying he's the most persecuted presidential candidate ever on Meet the Press yesterday. When the host brought up Whitewater, Birtherism, etc, he just brushed it aside and said it wasn't even close. Having to defend embellishments from a book you wrote years ago or strange ideas you have about pyramids is just a bridge too far.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 09, 2015, 03:14:25 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

I'd rather feel ashamed about all the people without running water we bomb to hell with hardware that costs tens of billions of dollars.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2015, 03:37:41 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on November 09, 2015, 02:52:34 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation.

To be fair to the press, it was a question from a reddit AMA.

Plus, you guys elected a coke-binging Chris Farley caricature as the mayor of your biggest city.   

O that's OK then.  Clearly the answer should be no though since America's war economy turned it into a superpower and created 3 decades of prosperity post war.   Jebs an idiot for not thinking this though.   

I thought you were Canadian?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Barry Egan on November 09, 2015, 04:06:44 PM

Nope, I just got my degree in Halifax. I'm from NYC.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2015, 10:42:50 PM

O, and here I thought we had a special connection

*takes Barry of the list
*adds Barry to the other list

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2015, 02:33:46 PM

Apparently red and green Starbucks cups aren't Christmas-y enough for Republican voters or something? I thought they were Hanukkah cups myself, red and green being the traditional colors of 7.25 of the 12 tribes and all.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2015, 02:40:21 PM

Decry political correctness and scream over the color of a cup, brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2015, 02:49:07 PM

I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 10, 2015, 02:56:10 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2015, 02:49:07 PM

I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

My wife and I shared a similar observation

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 10, 2015, 03:03:57 PM

The emails I get from the DNC really let me down sometimes. I just got one in which they're asking me to pledge to stand with the democrats so we can defeat the evil GOP! That kinda call for blind party support against an "enemy" just doesn't sit well.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2015, 03:07:22 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2015, 02:49:07 PM

I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

If I ever have human contact again I'll be sure to report back.

Also Citizen Trump mentioned it. Headline on MSN or something atm.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 10, 2015, 04:35:49 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 10, 2015, 03:03:57 PM

The emails I get from the DNC really let me down sometimes. I just got one in which they're asking me to pledge to stand with the democrats so we can defeat the evil GOP! That kinda call for blind party support against an "enemy" just doesn't sit well.

I must have been in some alternate reality where plenty of the DNC sold us out and has been moving ever farther to the right to "compromise" with said evil.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2015, 05:53:42 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 10, 2015, 04:35:49 PM

has been moving ever farther to the right

Has this been happening, though?  Real talk.



edit:  Asking cause I hear this a lot from fellow libs, and I feel like 1) it's only tenable if you decide gay rights etc. don't count somehow and 2) the benchmark would have to be LBJ's domestic policy cause neither Carter nor Clinton really governed from the left (even by the modern American standard of the "left").

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 10, 2015, 06:03:45 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 10, 2015, 05:53:42 PM

edit:  Asking cause I hear this a lot from fellow libs, and I feel like 1) it's only tenable if you decide gay rights etc. don't count somehow and 2) the benchmark would have to be LBJ's domestic policy cause neither Carter nor Clinton really governed from the left (even by the modern American standard of the "left").

I don't think moving that way started recently if that's what you're getting at but frankly between economic policies, surveillance, punishing whistle blowers, conceding women's health care, various senators/representatives wanting and galvanizing to privatize certain institutions, no single payer, kowtowing to "jobs at bases" over anything else, I just don't give a flying fuck about the DNC.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Trent Dole on November 10, 2015, 06:06:52 PM

I believe it was somebody here that said 'Democrats would be the worst thing ever if it weren't for Republicans' and that pretty much sums up US polytix.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Rufus on November 10, 2015, 06:06:59 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 10, 2015, 03:03:57 PM

The emails I get from the DNC really let me down sometimes. I just got one in which they're asking me to pledge to stand with the democrats so we can defeat the evil GOP! That kinda call for blind party support against an "enemy" just doesn't sit well.

The many perks of a two-party system. :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2015, 06:48:48 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 10, 2015, 03:07:22 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2015, 02:49:07 PM

I keep seeing people writing in reference to people being upset about Starbucks cups, but I haven't actually seen anyone upset about Starbucks cups. Is this real or just clever Starbucks marketing?

If I ever have human contact again I'll be sure to report back.

Also Citizen Trump mentioned it. Headline on MSN or something atm.

He said, "I don't care."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2015, 06:54:55 PM

"Did you read about Starbucks? No more 'Merry Christmas' on Starbucks. Maybe we should boycott Starbucks. I don't know. Seriously, I don't care."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2015, 06:58:29 PM

Kind of sounds like a monologue bit from a guy who doesn't give a shit anymore. Has he got that campaign fatigue like Carson, Jeb and Paul?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 10, 2015, 06:59:40 PM

He's pretty wishy washy on shit that's not declaring this or that person is a loser or rapist.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2015, 08:32:50 PM

Was the advancement of gay rights a leftward shift in Democratic policy or just an outcome of there being no constitutional basis for denying them? (To roll back the tape of this thread.) I'm not going to act like they did absolutely nothing on the national stage, but ultimately that seems like a triumph of jurisprudence over prudent politicking. *puts on Gaborn Was Right shirt*

After the 80s and 90s it seems like the last 8 years were a move left, but aside from the ACA I'm not confident a lot of other leftward moves will be as long lasting as the evisceration of welfare under Clinton, for example. If the recently deprivatized federal student loan program is profitable (which seeing as how it's debt secured against a person seems likely) there will always be people licking their chops to get a piece of it. Drug prosecution will almost certainly swing back to idiotic once Liam, Hayden, and Bella are old enough to smoke pot and a generation of navel gazing self-interested Redditors realizes that making the state do their parenting for them is preferable to doing the parenting themselves. Et cetera.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 09:04:42 PM

debate time  :doge

BUSH SUICIDE WATCH

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 09:21:21 PM

Bush is really going at Hillary and Obama; probably safer to take shots at people that aren't on stage.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 10, 2015, 09:22:48 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 09:21:21 PM

Bush is really going at Hillary and Obama; probably safer to take shots at people that aren't on stage.

Tell me if he starts ranting at empty chairs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 09:25:32 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 10, 2015, 09:22:48 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 09:21:21 PM

Bush is really going at Hillary and Obama; probably safer to take shots at people that aren't on stage.

Tell me if he starts ranting at empty chairs.

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/664265981603147776

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 09:31:54 PM

"Ben Carson, why'd you lie, bro?"

"Yeah, but Benghazi."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 09:58:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/rKR145B.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 10:16:57 PM

Rand is definitely the troll winner tonight.  :lol

gotta love him embarrassing Trump on TPP/China.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 10:20:57 PM

"If we destroy their Caliphate we make them look like losers."
~Dr. Benjamin Carson, Ph.D

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: tiesto on November 10, 2015, 10:31:41 PM

Rubio's been pretty quiet, I thought he would be on the upswing after that last debate...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 10, 2015, 10:40:44 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 10, 2015, 08:32:50 PM

Was the advancement of gay rights a leftward shift in Democratic policy or just an outcome of there being no constitutional basis for denying them? (To roll back the tape of this thread.) I'm not going to act like they did absolutely nothing on the national stage, but ultimately that seems like a triumph of jurisprudence over prudent politicking. *puts on Gaborn Was Right shirt*

The previous decades of gay rights cases were just a series of coincidental misreadings of the constitution?  Which were just recently reversed cause of new legal scholarship, independent of the wider social and political change surrounding the issue?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 10:42:40 PM

Carson, essentially
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inDf6-TUq5s

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 10:56:45 PM

"Socialism starts when government creates a problem, then government steps in to fix the problem."

Kara, you have 60 seconds to respond.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 10:57:34 PM

Well, that's the end of Kasich's campaign. :dead

Cruz making people jump out windows :whew

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: helios on November 10, 2015, 10:57:35 PM

Socialism: when government creates a problem and then tries to fix it

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2015, 11:14:12 PM

Fiornia sounds like Rod Sterling during a Twilight Zone intro

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 11:22:36 PM

Time for Jeb to rereboot his campaign.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2015, 03:39:03 AM

Was I the only one that noticed that Cruz said his brilliant, freedom loving, pro-growth tax plan would create 4.9 million jobs over a fucking decade? That's 490K jobs a year, which is a little more than 12k jobs a month. Last month we had 270k.

I checked to make sure I didn't misinterpret what he meant to say, but he said the exact same thing during the last debate, and the tax foundation score that he bragged about using pretty much said the same thing: (http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-ted-cruz-s-tax-plan)

Quote

According to our Taxes and Growth Model, the increased incentives to work and invest from this tax plan would increase the size of the economy by 13.9 percent over the long run. The plan would lead to 12.2 percent higher wages and a 43.9 percent larger capital stock. The larger economy would mainly result from a significant reduction in the service price of capital, due to the elimination of the corporate income tax and the significant reduction in the individual income tax. In addition, the reduction of marginal tax rates on individual income would increase incentives to work and result in 4.8 million full-time equivalent jobs.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-ted-cruz-s-tax-plan (http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-ted-cruz-s-tax-plan)

Even for Republicans, this is an amazingly shitty thing to boast about.

edit: Just to be clear, am I reading that wrong? The Tax Foundation's report IS talking about job growth over a decade, right?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 11, 2015, 03:47:50 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on November 11, 2015, 03:39:03 AM

edit: Just to be clear, am I reading that wrong? The Tax Foundation's report IS talking about job growth over a decade, right?

The way I'm reading it, it's job growth/capital investment/GDP growth over a decade compared with current tax law.  So they claim it would be 4.8 million more jobs, or that 4.8 million additional jobs are the equivalent of the increase in economic activity.

I mean, it's still bullshit, but there ya go.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Oblivion on November 11, 2015, 03:51:13 AM

Quote from: Mandark on November 11, 2015, 03:47:50 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on November 11, 2015, 03:39:03 AM

edit: Just to be clear, am I reading that wrong? The Tax Foundation's report IS talking about job growth over a decade, right?

The way I'm reading it, it's job growth/capital investment/GDP growth over a decade compared with current tax law.  So they claim it would be 4.8 million more jobs, or that 4.8 million additional jobs are the equivalent of the increase in economic activity.

I mean, it's still bullshit, but there ya go.

Ah okay. That's the other possibility I was thinking of but wasn't sure.

Still, that only means an extra ~500k jobs per year, which is nothing to write home about.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Momo on November 11, 2015, 04:19:44 AM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/RJPq6yD.png)

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 11, 2015, 10:53:36 AM

The republicans are running against a 2008 Obama still.  Almost everything they said was true then, not now.  They're going to have such a hard time with a real candidate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Kara on November 11, 2015, 11:31:24 AM

Quote from: Mandark on November 10, 2015, 10:40:44 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 10, 2015, 08:32:50 PM

Was the advancement of gay rights a leftward shift in Democratic policy or just an outcome of there being no constitutional basis for denying them? (To roll back the tape of this thread.) I'm not going to act like they did absolutely nothing on the national stage, but ultimately that seems like a triumph of jurisprudence over prudent politicking. *puts on Gaborn Was Right shirt*

The previous decades of gay rights cases were just a series of coincidental misreadings of the constitution?  Which were just recently reversed cause of new legal scholarship, independent of the wider social and political change surrounding the issue?

When you say decades of cases which cases are you referring to? Lawrence was over a decade ago (where I'd start measuring the sprint race to legal equality) and most of the cases you'll cite probably cite Baker v. Nelson in their decision which was never directly ruled on by, or argued in front of, the Supreme Court. (It was always, no pun intended, back door precedent.) The arguments put forth in Baker are largely  the same ones put forth in Obergefell v. Hodges, due process and equal protection. Gay marriage's legality is more a consequence of the Loving decision (which ironically is a product of the age Devo was bemoaning the rightward turn from) than it is a great awakening in the Democratic Party of the Two Thousand Aughts and Teens.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2015, 12:59:46 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 11, 2015, 10:53:36 AM

The republicans are running against a 2008 Obama still.  Almost everything they said was true then, not now.  They're going to have such a hard time with a real candidate.

I understand the economy isn't great right now but listening to these debates you'd think we're in the middle of a recession.

No mention of the jobs report during the debate either. 270k jobs? Who cares. :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 11, 2015, 01:11:49 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 11, 2015, 11:31:24 AM

Gay marriage's legality is more a consequence of the Loving decision (which ironically is a product of the age Devo was bemoaning the rightward turn from) than it is a great awakening in the Democratic Party of the Two Thousand Aughts and Teens.

You playing devil's advocate or actually believe this?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Boogie on November 11, 2015, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 11, 2015, 02:20:55 PM

Got into this Facebook argument that went on 100 posts or more

...of course you did.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2015, 03:59:52 PM

It always amuses me when you see the same types of people flop positions in a short span of time. In 2006, it was the democrats convincing everyone that it was a 'jobless recovery' and Republicans were celebrating every morsel of good economic news. Now it's switched and no one seems to remember or care. You see it play out with the topic of the national debt, too.

 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on November 11, 2015, 05:40:09 PM

The thing is that in 2006, liberals were actually genuinely outraged about the lack of oversight that lead to money and lives being lost in Iraq and the economy did shit the fan a year after the election which could be partly blamed on lack of government regulation.

There hasn't really been a huge government blunder like those during Obama's presidency. At least nothing with immediate consequences. Still a year left.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2015, 08:58:10 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation. 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/ben-carson-would-not-abort-baby-hitler/index.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 11, 2015, 09:39:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2015, 08:58:10 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation. 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/ben-carson-would-not-abort-baby-hitler/index.html

here's the REAL story

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/11/9709934/gop-debate-is-ben-carson-pro-hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2015, 10:01:48 PM

https://vine.co/v/elDTYOY0Uxm

lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 11, 2015, 10:28:13 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 11, 2015, 10:26:10 PM

Quote from: Boogie on November 11, 2015, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 11, 2015, 02:20:55 PM

Got into this Facebook argument that went on 100 posts or more

...of course you did.

Haha.

The point is that that's a discussion that should be like 3 posts total. The other person saying the economy got worse under Obama, me posting GDP and employment numbers, and the other person saying, "Wow, was I ever wrong on this one! Thank you, good sir, for ensuring that I will not live on in constant error."

We all have fantasies...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2015, 10:52:32 PM

That's an easy argument to prolong. He could bring up that fewer people are working now than under Bush, wages are down, growth is slow, etc. Not to mention the participation rate. Obviously you could counter most of these points but that's a long argument. One I have no interest in having. There are people who won't even admit we're better off now than we were in October 2008.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Rufus on November 12, 2015, 08:56:33 AM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 11, 2015, 09:39:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2015, 08:58:10 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2015, 02:39:52 PM

One of your candidates for president is getting asked about whither he'd kill baby Hitler or not.  You guys should feel ashamed as a nation. 

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/ben-carson-would-not-abort-baby-hitler/index.html

here's the REAL story

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/11/11/9709934/gop-debate-is-ben-carson-pro-hitler

He would wait until the little shit could feel true fear. Imprint the terror on his soul. :shaq

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 12, 2015, 11:46:56 AM

Quote

The easiest explanation for this paradox is that it isn’t a paradox at all: Americans are pessimistic about the economy because, for many of them, the economy hasn’t gotten better. Unemployment is down, but incomes are flat. Millions of Americans left the labor force in the recession and haven’t returned. Millions more are stuck in low-wage jobs or are working part time because they can’t find full-time work.

There's your answer, Walrus. They Administration can release rosy numbers every week but until people start seeing their wages go up and finding suitable work for their education and skills, no1curr.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 12, 2015, 12:22:14 PM

It's not "misinformation" if someone is employed (reducing unemployment numbers) in a job not suitable to their education/skills, or if they aren't even on the books anymore because they left the workforce. Look at the median household income in Iowa, where the economy is "strong." It's the same as it was fifteen years ago. If you factor in inflation, people are still making 30% less than they were fifteen years ago—and that's in a state with "good" numbers.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 12, 2015, 12:42:39 PM

That's politics, bruh. I saw someone on Fox News today say that the Iraq war was "won" in 2007 too until Obama ruined it. That's obviously untrue and personally insulting to me, but it's just politics.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 12, 2015, 03:04:03 PM

http://www.samuelwbennett.com/hate-by-state/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 07:55:05 PM

Romney time?  :doge

Quote

Time for GOP panic? Establishment worried Carson or Trump might win

According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans, who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: tiesto on November 12, 2015, 09:14:42 PM

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=900931373305380 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=900931373305380)

Whaa... Rubio is a Tiesto fan? Makes sense he likes EDM, considering he's from Miami. But still, I think a name change might be in order for me...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 12, 2015, 09:22:25 PM

Quote

Trump: Dr. Carson's anger incurable in the same way child molesters are incurable.

Shots fired.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1139513

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 12, 2015, 09:50:01 PM

Quote from: tiesto on November 12, 2015, 09:14:42 PM

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=900931373305380 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=900931373305380)

Whaa... Rubio is a Tiesto fan? Makes sense he likes EDM, considering he's from Miami. But still, I think a name change might be in order for me...

He gets defensive about it too!

Dumb interviewer: I have no idea who you are talking about right now
Rubio: They're DJs! They're DJs! Musicians! It's 21st century music! It's genius!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 12, 2015, 09:56:50 PM

Quote

Trump: Marco Rubio supports amnesty because he's Hispanic.

Trump not done for today.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1139546

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 10:20:48 PM

Dare I ask...is this the end of Trump?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2015, 10:31:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 10:20:48 PM

Dare I ask...is this the end of Trump?

More like expect a 3-4 point bump in the polls.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: El Babua on November 12, 2015, 10:52:26 PM

Trump cutting a promo on Carson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI279UvRK9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI279UvRK9M)

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 13, 2015, 12:43:10 AM

I have to admit that EDM comment came off sincere unlike Hillary's attempts to appear human or relatable to young people.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2015, 12:46:33 AM

Rubio is also a 2pac stan :obama

also Benji: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3359555/posts#comment  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2015, 12:54:56 AM

Quote from: Bobby Doucher on November 12, 2015, 10:52:26 PM

Trump cutting a promo on Carson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI279UvRK9M (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FI279UvRK9M)

:dead

"I'm just trying to save you the cost of a book!"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2015, 12:57:32 AM

http://theslot.jezebel.com/a-conversation-with-johari-osayi-idusuyi-the-hero-who-1742082010
HERO

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: BrokenVerses on November 13, 2015, 02:48:03 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 07:55:05 PM

Romney time?  :doge

Quote

Time for GOP panic? Establishment worried Carson or Trump might win

According to other Republicans, some in the party establishment are so desperate to change the dynamic that they are talking anew about drafting Romney — despite his insistence that he will not run again. Friends have mapped out a strategy for a late entry to pick up delegates and vie for the nomination in a convention fight, according to the Republicans, who were briefed on the talks, though Romney has shown no indication of reviving his interest.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/time-for-gop-panic-establishment-worried-carson-and-trump-might-win/2015/11/12/38ea88a6-895b-11e5-be8b-1ae2e4f50f76_story.html

Quote

“We’re potentially careening down this road of nominating somebody who frankly isn’t fit to be president in terms of the basic ability and temperament to do the job,” this strategist said. “It’s not just that it could be somebody Hillary could destroy electorally, but what if Hillary hits a banana peel and this person becomes president?”

What if we're in the darkest timeline?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2015, 08:01:49 AM

potentially?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 13, 2015, 11:24:59 AM

It would be real easy to kneecap Trump in the general election. You just throw a bunch of money at a third party candidate that has similar interests (but seems a bit more practical and safe). He would only need to get 3-4 percent of the vote to screw over Trump.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Johnson)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 13, 2015, 11:36:20 AM

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5ehehst4--/1516634037658222887.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2015, 12:15:00 PM

https://instagram.com/p/-B_ci4mhdA/

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 13, 2015, 12:35:36 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 13, 2015, 11:36:20 AM

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--5ehehst4--/1516634037658222887.gif)

Trump is King Hippo?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 13, 2015, 01:21:19 PM

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/yyowarl0jqbcgr6ykypg.jpg)
:comeon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 13, 2015, 01:27:18 PM

That shit makes me so mad, it's the response to calls for caring about the people of the nation, it's disingenuous -- and worst of all people buy it wholesale.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 13, 2015, 01:38:53 PM

If students have free education how can we indebt them for the rest of their working career.  ???

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 13, 2015, 01:41:49 PM

Ben Carson is saying his intelligence info is better that what POTUS has.  :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2015, 02:07:04 PM

If Mitt Romney were brought out of retirement for #OneLastRide, I don't think I could ever stop laughing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 13, 2015, 02:41:06 PM

Why is this thread funnier than the outside link thread?   

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Trent Dole on November 13, 2015, 02:41:44 PM

Let's bring Kerry back too while we're at it. The battle of the guys who lost because their entire platforms were basically 'not the incumbent'.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Dennis on November 13, 2015, 02:48:01 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 13, 2015, 01:41:49 PM

Ben Carson is saying his intelligence info is better that what POTUS has.  :neogaf

Ben Carson has friends in high places.

Well, mostly one friend in a very high place.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 13, 2015, 03:02:52 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 13, 2015, 02:48:01 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 13, 2015, 01:41:49 PM

Ben Carson is saying his intelligence info is better that what POTUS has.  :neogaf

Ben Carson has friends in high places.

Well, mostly one friend in a very high place.

Himself? 

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2015, 04:15:18 PM

http://inthesetimes.com/article/18560/eric-cantor-zachary-werrell-john-boehner-gop

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Meet the 24-Year-Old “RINO Hunter” On a Mission To Purge the GOP of Moderates

(http://i.imgur.com/NQKEZTn.jpg)

I'm glad Ron Weasley found something to do after the Harry Potter movies ended. :doge

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2015, 05:31:46 PM

Gotta hand it to Jeb, if anything he's quite good at punking people. His people made sure Romney didn't run, convincing everyone Jeb was the clear better choice.  :doge

Is Jeb better at anything than Romney?  :lol

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 13, 2015, 06:04:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2015, 05:31:46 PM

Is Jeb better at anything than Romney?  :lol

not being Mormon.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2015, 07:11:58 PM

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Forty-two percent of likely GOP voters supported Trump in a five-day rolling poll released Friday by Reuters/Ipsos, up from 25 percent last week. Carson was also polling around 25 percent last week and his support among GOP voters has since dipped slightly.

:heh

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 13, 2015, 07:57:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ixQYXmy.png)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/552955167533174785

Asshole

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 13, 2015, 08:38:33 PM

Jesus that's both idiot and tasteless. 

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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 13, 2015, 10:29:12 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kzf787k.jpg)

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Post by: Boogie on November 14, 2015, 12:04:20 AM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 13, 2015, 07:57:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ixQYXmy.png)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/552955167533174785

Asshole

Dear Donald:

Isn't it interesting that 150 people killed in gun deaths in France constitutes its worst terrorist attack in half a century.....while in America, it's called....November.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 14, 2015, 12:06:11 AM

I haven't paid attention to the Republican race, because I assumed it would play out like 2012 (where the fire bombers get pushed to the side for a more conventional choice). But I noticed in the aggregate polling that Trump/Carson/Cruz hold 59 percent of the pie ...

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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 14, 2015, 12:34:00 AM

Does no one realize that Trump tweet is from the Charlie Hebdo attack? I'm not just talking about here on The Bore, but all of Twitter is fucking RTing it. It says Jan 7th right there.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2015, 01:30:49 AM

When I heard about a Trump tweet I assumed he was praising France closing their borders.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2015, 01:53:26 AM

https://www.facebook.com/CarlyFiorina/posts/10156756617390206

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Carly Fiorina
Yesterday at 6:19pm · Edited ·
Donald, sorry, I've got to interrupt again. You would know something about pathological. How was that meeting with Putin? Or Wharton? Or your self funded campaign? Anyone can turn a multi-million dollar inheritance into more money, but all the money in the world won't make you as smart as Ben Carson.

look at me! look at me!

I thought one of the underrated debate "impact moments" so far was when Trump crushed Carly twice over her failures in her first post-promotion debate while refusing to say she wasn't ugly, and teamed up with Christie to mock her constant interrupting. (which she still seems salty about lol) Killing her boomlet in the cradle like her daughter who died from marijuana basically led to the Carson one since there wasn't anyone else left.

Remember that meme/fantasy about "Obama going Full Bulworth" around 2012-ish that got a bunch of loins wet. Trump's campaign is a tamer probably more accurate yet inverted politically version of the one in the movie. Though I only got a few hits off it on Google.

Also, that whole meme unsettled me because like American Psycho it was the first time people other were actually talking about the movie when in the past everyone always were like "what?" to me if I ever mentioned it. (And I watched it partly because Oliver Platt was in it and it was on Cinemax one night like six months after it bombed at theaters.) Now we have 40 year old crackers for the Washington Post calling it a "GREAT Political Film*" like it's important historically. If Ravenous takes off next, I'll really be unsettled.

Worst part is nobody mentions the goofy amazing that was this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWYiCoTDHuo
 :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)

My favorite part is ODB's rip in peace pbuh verses are the only ones that have anything that could even be considered remotely similar to the plot of the movie/be said by the main character/etc.

[close]

*My Fellow Americans is actually the greatest political film of the last 20 years. Truth fact.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2015, 01:55:36 AM

Another truth fact, filming Bulworth played in a role in Warren Beatty's consideration of a Presidential bid in 2000: http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/Movies/9908/12/beatty.president.nyt/

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Post by: toku on November 14, 2015, 03:04:00 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/time-to-ground-congress/2015/11/13/33e0fc84-8a08-11e5-be39-0034bb576eee_story.html

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Post by: Shaka Khan on November 14, 2015, 04:00:27 AM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 13, 2015, 07:57:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ixQYXmy.png)

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/552955167533174785

Asshole

Look at the date.

But still asshole.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2015, 04:39:25 AM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 14, 2015, 12:34:00 AM

Does no one realize that Trump tweet is from the Charlie Hebdo attack? I'm not just talking about here on The Bore, but all of Twitter is fucking RTing it. It says Jan 7th right there.

Totally fair. However, while he was maybe not so insensitive or stupid enough to say it again, he said it for a comparable situation (Does he still think that) and the argument is dumb as a sack of bricks.

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 14, 2015, 04:09:34 PM

Debate tonight switching to terrorism and international policy.  Should be the final nail in Bernie's campaign.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2015, 07:21:09 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 14, 2015, 04:09:34 PM

Debate tonight switching to terrorism and international policy.  Should be the final nail in Bernie's campaign.

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Sanders aide pushes back against CBS switch to foreign policy focus for debate

    A top aide to Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., one of the three candidates, got into a lengthy dispute with executives from CBS, the network hosting the debate, during a conference call on Saturday morning. A staffer for one of the other campaigns who was also on the call described the exchange to Yahoo News as “heated” and even “bizarre,” and a second source on the call confirmed the nature of the exchange.

    The dispute centered on CBS’s decision to increase the emphasis on terrorism, foreign policy, and national security in the wake of the attacks that left more than 100 people dead in Paris on Friday night. According to the rival staffer, Sanders strategist Mark Longabaugh lit into CBS vice president and Washington bureau chief Christopher Isham when the changes to the debate were detailed on the call.

    “It was a little bit of a bizarre scene. The Sanders representative, you know, really laid into CBS and basically … kind of threw, like, a little bit of a fit and said, ‘You are trying to turn this into a foreign policy debate. That’s not what any of us agreed to. How can you change the terms of the debate, you know, on the day of the debate. That’s not right,’” the staffer recounted.

    Another person who was on the call confirmed to Yahoo News that Longabaugh had a lengthy dispute about the changed plans for the debate format during the call with CBS. The Sanders campaign declined to comment.
    The rival staffer said the CBS representatives on the call argued they were not completely switching the focus for the debate.

    “The CBS folks were like, ‘Look, we’re not turning this into a foreign policy debate. We’re going to reorder the questions so that we’re leading off with a foreign policy focus based on what happened last night,’” the rival staffer said.

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/sanders-aide-pushes-back-against-cbs-switch-to-215805298.html

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Post by: Barry Egan on November 14, 2015, 09:13:14 PM

yeah Bernie's aide fucked up big time and Bernie just compounded it by reverting straight to his stump speech.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 14, 2015, 09:43:04 PM

"I'm not as socialist as Eisenhower" - Bernie

 :dead

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2015, 10:16:38 PM

Sanders is a weak debater imo. O'Malley is doing better lol.

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Post by: doctavius bonbon on November 14, 2015, 10:24:04 PM

twitter almost justified its existence with that real time ether over the debate stage.

(http://i.imgur.com/zoOzj0z.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2015, 10:41:29 PM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on November 14, 2015, 10:24:04 PM

twitter almost justified its existence with that real time ether over the debate stage.

that shit was beautiful

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 14, 2015, 11:40:08 PM

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/nov/14/mizzou-protesters-black-lives-matter-complain-pari/

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Post by: Rufus on November 14, 2015, 11:52:16 PM

"We found the shrillest voices in a protest movement. Please share this on Facebook."

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 15, 2015, 12:31:31 AM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on November 14, 2015, 10:24:04 PM

twitter almost justified its existence with that real time ether over the debate stage.

(http://i.imgur.com/zoOzj0z.gif)

wtf? what did she say?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: doctavius bonbon on November 15, 2015, 12:44:11 AM

http://www.cbsnews.com/live/video/cbs-news-democratic-debate-pt-4/

4:40~ in she makes a rebuttal and goes full Giuliani.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 15, 2015, 07:25:55 AM

If anyone made a drinking game out O'Malley talking about Maryland, RIP in peace.  I think he shoehorned it in at almost every question.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2015, 12:56:48 PM

Honestly Sanders is a pretty shitty debater. Once you force him away from his game of repeating 3-4 slogans/tics over and over he...tries to still repeat them. At least Ron Paul would name names and call people out with specifics. It's not like he was just focused entirely on the gold standard for instance, like Sanders was on Glass-Stiegel last night.

I don't dislike the guy, I'll vote for him in the Michigan primary. But it's clear that he isn't ready for prime time and cannot win a general election. And frankly I'm tired of Sanders stans comparing him to Obama. Go back and watch some of the 2008 debates. Obama started out pretty weak in the first debate, but after that he was on fire. And he didn't stop hitting Clinton, somewhat like O'Malley did last night. You can't give her lifelines. Does anyone think 2008 Obama would have said "no one cares about her emails" lol? Nah, dude would have said people are tired of the politics and politicians of the past relitigating the same tired fights that have nothing to do with Americans' every day lives, and now is the time to move forward/change/etc.

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Post by: Barry Egan on November 15, 2015, 03:21:03 PM

yea there really is no comparison on that front.  Obama will likely go down as the best campaigner in our lifetimes.  Obama and Bernie may be in a similar place in national polling, but if you look at it state by state Obama was already getting within the MoE of Clinton in most states.  Meanwhile any state that isn't mostly white has Bernie down 30 to 50 points.  Obama also had considerably more institutional support. 

I'll vote for Bernie in the primary if he's even in the race by the time he gets to my state, but there's gonna be a lot of tears flowing for those who have the expectation that he's still got a chance.

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Post by: Trent Dole on November 15, 2015, 04:03:46 PM

Yup, I am going to end up voting for Hillary in November 2016 but I am not going to be particularly thrilled about it. Bernie's campaign has helped nudge Hill to the left a bit so it wasn't an entirely futile thing.

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Post by: Oblivion on November 15, 2015, 04:58:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2015, 05:31:46 PM

Is Jeb better at anything than Romney?  :lol

Losing?

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Post by: Shadow Mod on November 15, 2015, 05:04:51 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on November 15, 2015, 04:03:46 PM

Yup, I am going to end up voting for Hillary in November 2016 but I am not going to be particularly thrilled about it. Bernie's campaign has helped nudge Hill to the left a bit so it wasn't an entirely futile thing.

This is why other viable parties/candidates are so important imo.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 08:03:44 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 15, 2015, 12:31:31 AM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on November 14, 2015, 10:24:04 PM

twitter almost justified its existence with that real time ether over the debate stage.

(http://i.imgur.com/zoOzj0z.gif)

wtf? what did she say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uQutU7FzcQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7Ciy2tK494

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 15, 2015, 08:10:39 PM

Honestly she could have just been less emotional and phrased that better and it wouldn't be as bad as it was.  Say 'I developed a lot relationships with NY businesses due to my work in rebuilding after 9/11.  Among those businesses were many on wall street.  I think those businesses that have donated to me respect me for my work'

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2015, 08:53:19 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on November 15, 2015, 04:58:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 13, 2015, 05:31:46 PM

Is Jeb better at anything than Romney?  :lol

Losing?

Woah, let's not get carried away.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 10:05:20 PM

http://nypost.com/2015/11/14/its-time-for-obama-to-make-a-choice-lead-us-or-resign/

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In any time and place, war is fiendishly simple. It is the ultimate zero-sum contest — you win or you lose.

That eternal truth is so obvious that it should not need to be said. Yet even after the horrific slaughter in Paris, there remains a distressing doubt about whether America’s commander in chief gets it.

President Obama has spent the last seven years trying to avoid the world as it is. He has put his intellect and rhetorical skills into the dishonorable service of assigning blame and fudging failure. If nuances were bombs, Islamic State would have been destroyed years ago.

He refuses to say “Islamic terrorism,” as if that would offend the peaceful Muslims who make up the vast bulk of victims. He rejects the word “war,” even as jihadists carry out bloodthirsty attacks against Americans and innocent peoples around the world.

He shuns the mantle of global leadership that comes with the Oval Office, with an aide advancing the preposterous concept that Obama is “leading from behind.” He snubs important partners like Egypt, showers concessions on the apocalyptic mullahs of Iran, and called the Islamic State the “jayvee team” even as it was beginning to create a caliphate.

Having long ago identified American power as a problem, he continues to slash the military as the enemy expands its reach. In a globalized era, the Obama doctrine smacks of cowardly retreat and fanciful isolation.

In an accident of timing that captures his cluelessness, the president actually declared on Friday morning that Islamic State had been “contained,” practically boasting in a TV interview that, “They have not gained ground in Iraq and in Syria.”

What gall. What folly.

Paris is the final straw. Obama’s exemption from reality has expired. He must either commit to leading the free world to victory, or step aside so someone else can.

There is no more time to avoid the truth of war. America must organize the combined forces of the civilized world before Islamic State makes good on its vow to “taste” more American blood.

As a top intelligence adviser told me yesterday, “What they did in Paris means they are coming here.”

In fact, they already are here. Law-enforcement officials say the FBI has as many as 1,000 investigations open into Islamic State sympathizers inside the US.

Is America ready to stop multiple assault teams of suicide bombers? Is New York ready? Or Chicago, Los Angeles or Washington, DC?

Because Paris was a grand success to the terrorists, the propaganda value acts as an incentive for attacks on other western cities. While sparing no effort to stop them here, we must simultaneously destroy them in their foreign bases.

World War III began when Osama bin Laden declared war on the United States, though we did not grasp the significance until 9/11. The collapse of the Twin Towers, a smoking hole in the Pentagon and a downed jetliner in Pennsylvania revealed the price of our inaction.

The single greatest attack ever against America galvanized the nation and defined a new generation of policy makers and warriors.

Yet Obama always remained curiously cool about the whole endeavor, denouncing the invasion of Iraq as dumb while holding up Afghanistan as a necessary war. Once he got to the White House, though, he showed no conviction about Afghanistan either, surging troops only to demand that they return home quickly.

The pattern has never changed, and his relationship with a rotating cast of military leaders remains rocky. Robert Gates, secretary of defense under both President Bush and Obama, said in his memoir that Obama’s distrust of the military was destructive of the very mission he had given the troops.

After a heated 2011 meeting on Afghanistan, Gates concluded that Obama “doesn’t believe in his own strategy, and doesn’t consider the war to be his. For him, it’s all about getting out.”

Another former military leader, Gen. Jack Keane, notes that Obama never once agreed to the full request of his commanders. If they ask for 10,000 troops, Obama agrees to 5,000, 3,000 or none.

The raid that got bin Laden marked the high point of Obama’s commitment. He turned that achievement into political gold in 2012 and declared the “tide of war is receding” to justify his decision to withdraw from the field of battle.

It was a convenient figment of self-interest, as if his wish would make it true. Instead, the strategic dominos fell quickly as war metastasized. The hard-won gains in Iraq were reversed, Syria descended into hell and Islamic State was born in the vacuum.

Its ruthlessness and success in capturing territory enabled it to supplant al Qaeda as the most dangerous terrorist network. It has become the proverbial “strong horse,” with each terrifying attack bringing more recruits and more financing.

In the last two weeks, it shot down a commercial Russian airliner over Egypt and carried out bombings in Beirut. And then came Paris.

Its ability to inflict unprecedented casualties in such far-flung locations mark a growing strength and sophistication. The terrorists smell weakness and have increased the pace of their aggressive expansion. Their aim of global conquest must be taken seriously.

French President Francois Hollande understands the meaning of Friday’s slaughter. He called it an “act of war” and vowed that “France will not show any pity” against those who carried out the barbaric acts. World leaders quickly expressed their condolences and condemnation.

Yet it remains doubtful if our side is truly committed to winning. The determination and unity the free world showed after 9/11 faded as casualties, mistakes and politics eroded the mission.

So we are back to square one again, facing a stronger and more emboldened enemy. The time has run out for half measures and kicking the can down the road. The enemy must be destroyed on the battlefield before there can be any hope of peace.

If Obama cannot rise to the challenge of leadership in this historic crisis, then, for the good of humanity, he should resign. Those are the only options and it is his duty to decide.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2015, 10:09:32 PM

It's President Biden's time to shine. :rejoice

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 15, 2015, 10:19:22 PM

What gall. What folly.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 15, 2015, 10:37:54 PM

Why did you post that whole piece. Did you read the whole thing? If so, why?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 10:39:37 PM

To lead rather than resign.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 15, 2015, 10:43:22 PM

>So we are back to square one again, facing a stronger and more emboldened enemy. The time has run out for half measures and kicking the can down the road. The enemy must be destroyed on the battlefield before there can be any hope of peace.

:rolleyes:

It's kind of sad how quickly people can froth themselves up into a lather.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 10:48:39 PM

Politico reports this could be Lindsey Graham's big chance:

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Bush, Kasich, Rubio and Sen. Lindsey Graham were among those who spoke fluently on foreign affairs on the Sunday shows.

"I have a plan. Please, for God's sake, wake up to the threats we face," Graham, whose poor polling caused him to be excluded from the last GOP debate, said on CNN. "Hit them before they hit us. Fight them in their backyard, not our backyard." Among the most hawkish candidates in the field, Graham has called for sending 10,000 American troops to Iraq and Syria.

Bush spoke confidently about foreign affairs on both CNN’s “State of the Union” and NBC’s “Meet the Press.” But when NBC’s Chuck Todd asked Bush if he thought Carson or Trump were ready to be commander in chief, he replied, "I don't know. The words that I hear them speaking give me some concern."

I like how the story doesn't mention what Jeb spoke CONFIDENTLY about outside of a declaration of war on ISIS.

And the only Rubio example:

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Throughout the weekend, Republicans trained their fire on Clinton for her refusal, along with President Obama, to label the attackers radical Islamists.

“I don’t understand it,” Rubio said on ABC’s “This Week." “That would be like saying we weren’t at war with Nazis because we were afraid to offend some Germans who may have been members of the Nazi Party but weren’t violent themselves.”

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2015, 10:50:39 PM

Hasn't the US done more than 2,000 airstrikes in Syria during this "war" on ISIS? Hasn't ISIS lost a quarter of their land in the last few months? Outside of semantics games on terms used, what do these people want? Ground troops...

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Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 10:56:07 PM

Not sending in waves and waves of ground troops is isolationist thinking. We're literally isolating those troops from the potential battlefield.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 15, 2015, 11:05:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 15, 2015, 10:50:39 PM

Hasn't the US done more than 2,000 airstrikes in Syria during this "war" on ISIS? Hasn't ISIS lost a quarter of their land in the last few months? Outside of semantics games on terms used, what do these people want? Ground troops...

None of these guys have any kind of reasonable alternative plan other than just dumping American troops on the ground, they're just looking for another way to exploit a tragedy to get in some digs on Obama.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 01:11:56 AM

Obama gutting the military is one of my favorite recurring GOP talking points. Especially considering the budget "process" over the last, say, decade.

It's dropping as a % of spending more because of Medicare than any actual policy changes including winding down Iraq/Afghanistan.

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 16, 2015, 01:47:43 AM

They just want to say that Obama should have sent troops in a year ago before the Paris attack and the Russian jet crash. I don't think any general in the West is giddy about getting into a conflict against a well-funded insurgency group. Real life isn't like call of duty with your enemies showing up as red dots on a map.

Also it's fair to say no one is going to remember anything that Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz said a month from now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 01:50:21 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 16, 2015, 01:47:43 AM

Real life isn't like call of duty with your enemies showing up as red dots on a map.

Duh, you need to get a scorestreak to send up a UAV first.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2015, 01:54:51 AM

Lindsey Graham would 360 noscope all the terrorists if we just let him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 16, 2015, 02:07:04 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 16, 2015, 01:47:43 AM

They just want to say that Obama should have sent troops in a year ago before the Paris attack and the Russian jet crash. I don't think any general in the West is giddy about getting into a conflict against a well-funded insurgency group. Real life isn't like call of duty with your enemies showing up as red dots on a map.

Also it's fair to say no one is going to remember anything that Lindsey Graham or Ted Cruz said a month from now.

Generals no, chickenhawks? Uh always.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 02:10:25 AM

Lindsey Graham did serve in the Air Force, even if it was only as a JAG. (Probably the inspiration for the show.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2015, 11:25:38 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 15, 2015, 10:48:39 PM

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Throughout the weekend, Republicans trained their fire on Clinton for her refusal, along with President Obama, to label the attackers radical Islamists.

“I don’t understand it,” Rubio said on ABC’s “This Week." “That would be like saying we weren’t at war with Nazis because we were afraid to offend some Germans who may have been members of the Nazi Party but weren’t violent themselves.”

Yeah, I mean if Nazis attacked France, surely we'd declare war on the Nazis over that, right?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2015, 12:55:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 10:20:48 PM

Dare I ask...is this the end of Trump?

Your political instincts continue to be positively Halperinesque, even after all these years

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-reuters-poll-snl-debate

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2015, 01:15:32 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2015, 12:55:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2015, 10:20:48 PM

Dare I ask...is this the end of Trump?

Your political instincts continue to be positively Halperinesque, even after all these years

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-reuters-poll-snl-debate

I'm just doing my best to help the democrat party. Imagine the power Konex could wield if he understood the true power of his curse.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 16, 2015, 01:23:14 PM

Trump going HAM on the Paris attacks, expect another bump in the polls.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 16, 2015, 03:16:54 PM

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“When I hear folks say that well maybe we should just admit the Christians but not the Muslims, when I hear political leaders suggesting that there would be a religious test for which a person who is fleeing from a war-torn country is admitted, when some of those folks themselves come from families who benefited from protection when they were fleeing political persecution, that’s shameful,” Obama said. “That’s not American. That’s not who we are.”

:obama

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 16, 2015, 03:39:39 PM

David Brooks plz (aka Mandark catnip)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/twitter-reacts-david-brooks-vacation

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During his trip, Brooks faced challenges like being forced to accept two complimentary bottles of champagne from hotel staff at the Four Seasons Istanbul and having insufficient time to reflect on a Rembrandt painting he was struck by at St. Petersburg's Hermitage Museum. Though he was impressed by the amenities, overall, he seemed to find the experience wanting.

“Sometimes money allows you to see too many things, too quickly,” Brooks writes. “Sometimes if you seize all the opportunities your money affords, you may end up skimming over life and nothing is deep enough to leave a mark.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 16, 2015, 04:04:58 PM

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"They treated the crew as friends and equals and not as staff," he writes. "Nobody was trying to prove they were better informed or more sophisticated than anybody else. There were times, in fact, when I almost wished there had been a little more pretense and a little more intellectual and spiritual ambition."

Treat them like the lowly scum they are fellow rich bros and where's the snobbery and pretentiousness I'm used to? Pssh.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2015, 04:09:54 PM

Won't someone please relieve me of the terrible burden of being rich and white?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 16, 2015, 04:10:31 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2015, 04:09:54 PM

Won't someone please relieve me of the terrible burden of being rich and white?

I will David Brooks, gimme your money you tool.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 16, 2015, 04:21:40 PM

I'm not sure if that's even worse than the median Brooks column.

In other Sensible Moderate Republican news:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CT4mNYtUEAARwmT.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2015, 04:28:20 PM

Frum's twitter is amazing. One minute he's spitting some real shit and laughing at the clowns we laugh at. Next minute he's calling for indiscriminate warfare.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 16, 2015, 04:30:23 PM

David Frum is basically saying that people on the right are assholes and can't be trusted to not treat immigrants like shit so they might get mad about it (he just doesn't realize that's what he's saying). :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 16, 2015, 04:46:45 PM

I see some governors decided to out themselves as short-sighted cowards

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2015, 05:33:53 PM

http://coed.com/2015/11/16/dartmouth-college-black-lives-matter-protest-violence-video-details/

Himu explain :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 05:38:28 PM

Speaking of #BLM, these were all over conservative sites this weekend and some made me laugh like @iLoveLaurynHill:
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-15.20.351.png)
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/Screen-Shot-2015-11-14-at-15.03.271.png)
(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2015/11/screen_shot_2015-11-13_at_7.39.20_pm.png)

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Honestly, I don't know what to think. This must've been conspiracy 2 detract from #BlackLivesMatter #Mizzou #StopWar pic.twitter.com/qe1FCPZ6fB

— Elena Lau (@iLoveLaurynHill) November 14, 2015

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One situation to another. If actions hadn't been taken #Mizzou could have easily turned into a mass slaughtering.

— Rhea (@RheaButter) November 14, 2015

Milo actually screwed up his article and included some level headed tweets. (http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/11/14/mizzou-campus-activists-and-black-lives-matter-complain-about-paris-stealing-the-spotlight/)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 05:51:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/yKyMY2c.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2015, 05:55:46 PM

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Racist white people kill me

Well, not yet.  :marimo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 16, 2015, 06:01:15 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 05:51:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/yKyMY2c.jpg)

Too bad for him ACORN is going to register his dead white ass a democrat and vote for all the Hillarys

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 06:06:12 PM

BOMBSHELL (http://www.judicialwatch.org/press-room/press-releases/judicial-watch-email-reveals-top-aide-huma-abedin-warning-state-department-staffer-that-hillary-clinton-is-often-confused/):

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Judicial Watch today released more than 35 pages of emails former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s top aide Huma Abedin revealing that Abedin advised Clinton aide and frequent companion Monica Hanley that it was “very important” to go over phone calls with Clinton because the former Secretary of State was “often confused.”  The emails, from Abedin’s “Huma@clintonemail.com” address, also reveal repeated security breaches, with the Secretary’s schedule and movements being sent and received through Abedin’s non-governmental and unsecured Clinton server account.  The emails document requests for special State Department treatment for a Clinton Foundation associate and Abedin’s mother, a controversial Islamist leader.

The Abedin email material contains a January 26, 2013, email exchange with Clinton aide Monica Hanley regarding Clinton’s schedule in which Abedin says Clinton is “often confused:”

Abedin: Have you been going over her calls with her? So she knows singh is at 8? [India Prime Minister Manmohan Singh]
Hanley: She was in bed for a nap by the time I heard that she had an 8am call. Will go over with her
Abedin: Very imp to do that. She’s often confused.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 06:11:05 PM

She probably didn't even know what Benghazi was.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: helios on November 16, 2015, 06:45:04 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 06:11:05 PM

She probably didn't even know who Benghazi was.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2015, 09:08:37 PM

I will say that I don't understand the argument against use of the term. During the debate, democrats kept confusing the issue even after being corrected by the moderator. The term is not an indictment of all "Islamists," it's an indictment of radical Islamists. At least that's how I take it.

But who cares about semantics games. Neoconservatives :piss2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 09:42:48 PM

Look, she's often confused.

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Dickerson: Secretary Clinton, you mentioned radical jihadists.

Mrs. Clinton: Yes.

Dickerson: Marco Rubio, also running for president, said that this attack showed—in—the attack in Paris showed that we are at war with radical Islam. Do you agree with that characterization, radical Islam?

Mrs. Clinton: I don’t think we’re at war with Islam. I don’t think we’re at war with all Muslims. I think we’re at war with jihadists who have—

Dickerson: Just to interrupt, he didn’t say all Muslims. He just said radical Islam. Is that a phrase you don’t—

Mrs. Clinton: I think that you can talk about Islamists who—clearly are also jihadists. But I think it’s not particularly helpful to make the case that—Sen. Sanders was just making that I agree with that we’ve got to reach out to Muslim countries. We’ve got to have them be part of our coalition.

If they hear people running for president who basically shortcut it to say we are somehow against Islam—that was one of the real contributions, despite all the other problems that George W. Bush made after 9/11 when he basically said after going to a mosque in Washington, “We are not at war with Islam or Muslims. We are at war with violent extremism. We are at war with people who use their religion for purposes of power and oppression.” And yes, we are at war with those people that I don’t want us to be painting with too broad a brush.

:dizzy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 09:53:20 PM

Huckabee da god tier troll (http://"http://www.buzzfeed.com/meganapper/huckabee-put-syrian-refugees-in-homes-of-limousine-liberals#.irANeg87w")

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“[L]isten, all of these feel good liberals who say we ought to be taking in refugees,” Huckabee said on the John Gibson show Saturday, “how come they never end up in the neighborhood where the limousine liberal lives? Behind gated communities and with armed security around.”

Additionally, Huckabee said he wanted Democratic debate moderators to ask presidential candidate Hillary Clinton if refugees should be housed in her neighborhood of Chappaqua, New York.

“Mrs. Clinton, you have suggested we take in 65,00 refugees, how many can we bring to your neighborhood in Chappaqua? Can you please just give us a number. That would be the question that I would like to ask her,” Huckabee said.

Huckabee concluded the interview with one last suggestion: Students at the University of Missouri, which has recently been roiled by student protests over the university’s handling of racism on campus, should house the refugees.

“Heck, we may take them to the University of Missouri,” Huckabee said. “A lot of the students are so stressed out from feeling unsafe because somebody said a word they didn’t like that they are not using their dorm rooms anymore. Maybe we can put them there.”

Huckabee also questioned whether Syrian refugees could acclimate to the U.S.

“And if you think about it, we would be bringing people in who lived in the desert their entire lives, and they would be completely disrupted, not only in terms of their culture, their language, their religion, my gosh even in terms of their climate,” Huckabee said. “Can you imagine bringing in a bunch of Syrian refugees who’ve lived in the desert their whole lives that are suddenly thrown into an English speaking community? Where it’s maybe in Minnesota where it is 20 degrees below zero? I mean just I don’t understand what we possibly can be thinking.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 16, 2015, 10:33:44 PM

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“And if you think about it, we would be bringing people in who lived in the desert their entire lives, and they would be completely disrupted, not only in terms of their culture, their language, their religion, my gosh even in terms of their climate,” Huckabee said. “Can you imagine bringing in a bunch of Syrian refugees who’ve lived in the desert their whole lives that are suddenly thrown into an English speaking community? Where it’s maybe in Minnesota where it is 20 degrees below zero? I mean just I don’t understand what we possibly can be thinking.”

Hey, it's not like we took a bunch of refugees from the jungles of Vietnam and planted them in Oklahoma City or anything! Or wait, we actually did that in the 70's.

Also...uhh...America has deserts, breh.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 16, 2015, 10:53:56 PM

There's also the fact that, uh, Syria isn't one big desert:

(http://i.imgur.com/PjeLvRw.jpg)

Here's a picture from a refugee camp in Syria from last year:

(http://strangesounds.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/a3ac405063f411e3b8c61207f57a3820_8.jpg)

For the party that lives in the "real world" unlike cupcake liberals, it's amazing how willfully ignorant GOP leaders can be.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 11:34:23 PM

Uh, I'm pretty sure all Muslim nations look like this:
(http://static.theglobeandmail.ca/835/incoming/article829217.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/Saudi+arabia+oil+camel+desert)
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02597/emptyQuarter_2597480b.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 16, 2015, 11:41:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 06:11:05 PM

She probably didn't even know what Benghazi was.

I still don't know tbh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 16, 2015, 11:41:29 PM

This is what happens when you learn geography from The Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2015, 11:46:05 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 16, 2015, 11:41:29 PM

This is what happens when you learn geography from The Ten Commandments with Charlton Heston.

It was Ishtar.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 17, 2015, 03:34:33 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 16, 2015, 09:08:37 PM

I will say that I don't understand the argument against use of the term. During the debate, democrats kept confusing the issue even after being corrected by the moderator. The term is not an indictment of all "Islamists," it's an indictment of radical Islamists. At least that's how I take it.

But who cares about semantics games. Neoconservatives :piss2

To be fair it's hard to come up with a precise, differentiating yet encompassing word for this. Radical islamists will get shortened by laziness or malice to just the second word which is problematic (islamist is often used to describe political parties like the one currently governing Turkey.).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 17, 2015, 06:03:16 AM

Also having an umbrella label for "radical islamism" is a problem in itself. It could easily conflate ISIS with Hezbollah, for instance. Whatever your opinion on Hezbollah (Let's not forget that in 1983 they bombed the US embassy plus American and French troops in Lebanon), it is myopic to not see they are distinct organizations with conflicting political agendas and do nothing to help with finding specific solutions. It's actually fairly important that political leaders do take the time to clearly identify each and every time which organization are aimed at by military action.

EDIT :

A decent recap piece.
http://warontherocks.com/2015/11/what-paris-taught-us-about-the-islamic-state/?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2015, 08:42:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hal4LmPRB9I

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 17, 2015, 10:47:35 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 17, 2015, 03:40:07 AM

Re: cupcake liberals and the real world, I've read lots of talk about how Obama has destroyed all foreign respect for our country. I've traveled to multiple countries in Europe and Asia both before and after the Bush administration. After Obama took office, the level of respect I got as an American in every country skyrocketed. It's no comparison. I always laugh when I hear that right wing argument, because I've fucking been there. Liberals don't live in the real world my ass.

Maybe if Israel and Saudi Arabia are the only foreign countries that count. Maybe.

I have experienced that as well, especially in the Middle East, but I think you could be misunderstanding what they mean by respect. I don't think they mean people being friendly and hospitable to tourists as equals, they mean the colonialism type of respect and fear as inferiors. I suspect they want the world to understand their place as second class citizens compared to Americans, where both on an intergrovernmental level and a personal level, an American can demand any sort of humiliating thing they want from a foreigner because the almighty American dollar is king.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2015, 01:14:54 PM

Create your own GOP primary clusterfuck!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2015/11/17/the_gop_race_for_delegates_an_interactive_tool.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 17, 2015, 02:41:21 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 17, 2015, 10:47:35 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on November 17, 2015, 03:40:07 AM

Re: cupcake liberals and the real world, I've read lots of talk about how Obama has destroyed all foreign respect for our country. I've traveled to multiple countries in Europe and Asia both before and after the Bush administration. After Obama took office, the level of respect I got as an American in every country skyrocketed. It's no comparison. I always laugh when I hear that right wing argument, because I've fucking been there. Liberals don't live in the real world my ass.

Maybe if Israel and Saudi Arabia are the only foreign countries that count. Maybe.

I have experienced that as well, especially in the Middle East, but I think you could be misunderstanding what they mean by respect. I don't think they mean people being friendly and hospitable to tourists as equals, they mean the colonialism type of respect and fear as inferiors. I suspect they want the world to understand their place as second class citizens compared to Americans, where both on an intergrovernmental level and a personal level, an American can demand any sort of humiliating thing they want from a foreigner because the almighty American dollar is king.

More and more I see the big difference in American liberal and conservative attitudes as whether or not you think it's okay to stand on the backs of the less fortunate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 17, 2015, 03:42:42 PM

http://www.theonion.com/multiblogpost/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-regio-11534

God fucking dammit

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2015, 05:21:12 PM

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As part of a broad national security plan to defeat ISIS, Republican Presidential candidate John Kasich proposed creating a new government agency to push Judeo-Christian values around the world.

The new agency, which he hasn't yet named, would promote a Jewish- and Christian-based belief system to four regions of the world: China, Iran, Russia and the Middle East.

"We need to beam messages around the world" about the freedoms Americans enjoy, Kasich said in an interview with NBC News Tuesday.

He defended creating a new government agency at a time when fellow Republican presidential candidates discuss eliminating government agencies to making the government smaller.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/kasich-proposes-new-government-agency-promote-judeo-christian-values-n465101

Hey that kinda sounds like...well, ISIS.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 17, 2015, 06:13:30 PM

Russia will certainly be captivated to learn about Christianity.

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 17, 2015, 06:23:10 PM

ChrIStIS

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 17, 2015, 06:29:25 PM

ESCH EXPLAIN

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bobby-jindal-suspends-white-house-bid

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on November 17, 2015, 06:32:13 PM

Bobby Jindal outlasted Scott Walker :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 17, 2015, 07:20:57 PM

https://twitter.com/harikondabolu/status/666764215949074432

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on November 17, 2015, 08:34:00 PM

Jindal may have lasted longer if he was a community organizer.  :whew

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2015, 08:34:59 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 17, 2015, 06:32:13 PM

Bobby Jindal outlasted Scott Walker :neogaf

:beli

the Ls keep stacking for me.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 17, 2015, 10:43:43 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 17, 2015, 06:13:30 PM

Russia will certainly be captivated to learn about Christianity.

Real Christianity™. Not that messed up calendar crap.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on November 17, 2015, 11:20:57 PM

The reaction to the Paris bombings, both by public figures and personal acquaintances, has been a depressing but predictable reminder of how shitty we tend to be about people outside the tribe, especially when we're scared.

Got hit with "why'd all those Americans fight to free France in WW2 if they were going to let the Muslims take over?" and also our governor has come out against any resettlement of Syrian refugees here.  Among all the other fuckery.   :-\

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 17, 2015, 11:32:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 17, 2015, 11:20:57 PM

The reaction to the Paris bombings, both by public figures and personal acquaintances, has been a depressing but predictable reminder of how shitty we tend to be about people outside the tribe, especially when we're scared.

Got hit with "why'd all those Americans fight to free France in WW2 if they were going to let the Muslims take over?" and also our governor has come out against any resettlement of Syrian refugees here.  Among all the other fuckery.   :-\

You should have said "what if France won the Revolutionary War for us so they could let Muslims take over in 2015?"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 12:02:28 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/business/media/gawker-politics-media.html

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Gawker.com, a site that pioneered the knowing, irreverent tone that has come to define web journalism, will switch from covering New York and the media world, as it has done since its founding in 2003, to focus on politics.

The change, which is part of a broad reorganization of the site’s parent company, Gawker Media, was announced in a memo to the staff on Tuesday.

The site, wrote Gawker’s founder, Nick Denton, “will ride the circus of the 2016 campaign cycle, seizing the opportunity to reorient its editorial scope on political news, commentary and satire.”

Politics, writ large, “has provided the scene for some of Gawker’s most recognized editorial scoops,” he said, citing reporting on Mayor Rob Ford of Toronto smoking crack cocaine, and the power of Fox News.

“Is there any doubt,” he wrote, “that the 2016 U.S. presidential election campaign, a contest between reality-defying fabulists and the last representatives of two exhausted political dynasties will provide rich new opportunities for sensation and satire?”

In an interview, Alex Pareene, Gawker.com’s editor, said that he wanted to define politics broadly, and that it would include coverage of big business, the media and culture when appropriate.

“There is going to be a lot of campaign coverage, because this campaign is great and a dream for any writer. But we’re not going to become Real Clear Politics,” he said, referring to a political news site.

“There will be a sort of satirical tone and satirical approach to reporting real news,” he said, citing John Oliver, whose HBO show combines aggregation, reporting and humor.

Gawker, Mr. Pareene said, will be hiring editors, and at least one political reporter. In an email to the company’s staff, John Cook, the executive editor of Gawker Media, said that two reporters, Allie Jones and Sam Biddle, would head out on the campaign trail, while Ashley Feinberg will “obsessively monitor the dark and hilarious lunatic fringes on the right and left.” Tom Scocca, currently executive features editor, will begin writing a column, as will Mr. Pareene.

Gawker, Mr. Cook wrote, “will take a ‘Daily Show’ approach to covering the ever-intensifying culture wars, documenting, satirizing and reporting on the ways that political disputes are refracted in every aspect of our popular culture.”

Look out Vox, your days are numbered!

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Post by: brob on November 18, 2015, 10:21:36 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us/politics/ben-carson-is-struggling-to-grasp-foreign-policy-advisers-say.html?_r=0

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“Nobody has been able to sit down with him and have him get one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East,” said Duane R. Clarridge, a top adviser to Mr. Carson on terrorism and national security. He also said Mr. Carson needed weekly conference calls briefing him on foreign policy so “we can make him smart.”
[...]
And Mr. Carson has attracted extra attention because his statements give rise to questions about where, as a retired neurosurgeon without government experience, he turns for information and counsel on complex global issues. What is unusual is the candor of those who are tutoring him about his struggle to master the subject.

:lawd

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 18, 2015, 11:13:19 AM

Carson's popularity stems from the fact that you don't have to know what you are talking about. You just have to say you love jesus and that is good enough for some people.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on November 18, 2015, 11:29:52 AM

To be fair, Jesus should've been a better politician.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 11:47:02 AM

Quote from: brob on November 18, 2015, 10:21:36 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us/politics/ben-carson-is-struggling-to-grasp-foreign-policy-advisers-say.html?_r=0

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“Nobody has been able to sit down with him and have him get one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East,” said Duane R. Clarridge, a top adviser to Mr. Carson on terrorism and national security. He also said Mr. Carson needed weekly conference calls briefing him on foreign policy so “we can make him smart.”
[...]
And Mr. Carson has attracted extra attention because his statements give rise to questions about where, as a retired neurosurgeon without government experience, he turns for information and counsel on complex global issues. What is unusual is the candor of those who are tutoring him about his struggle to master the subject.

:lawd

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This week, Mr. Carson’s advisers said that his source for claiming Chinese involvement in Syria was a telephone conversation he had had with a freelance American intelligence operative in Iraq.

(http://i.imgur.com/xphOKsc.png)

Edit: Wow, that piece was incredible. Is leap a slur for Chinese that I don't know about? Also, the comments on this Facebook post from Carson providing "evidence" of the Chinese in Syria really make me sad:

https://www.facebook.com/realbencarson/photos/a.143829065783568.1073741825.138691142964027/555567407943063/?type=3&amp;theater

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Post by: brob on November 18, 2015, 12:01:53 PM

yeah, that whole piece is terrific. Carson is my fave in the race,  I hope he ends up being at least top three of the GOP nominees.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 12:10:30 PM

Here's the info on the Chinese racial slur I was confused about from the last sentence of that piece:

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124070/anti-chinese-racial-slur-ben-carsons-foreign-policy-adviser-use

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What anti-Chinese racial slur did Ben Carson's foreign policy adviser use?The New York Times new story on Ben Carson is delicious, but buries the lede (or one of several potential ledes) way down in the kicker.

“The jump from Erbil and Soviets” to the Chinese “in Damascus is a long leap,” Mr. Clarridge said, using an ethnic slur for the Chinese.

Duane Clarridge is Carson’s national security and intelligence adviser, and in addition to everything else he said on the record to the Times, he’s also apparently comfortable referring to Chinese people as “chinks,” or something similarly offensive, to a reporter. Which means we can’t rule out the possibility that he uses pejoratives when advising Carson, who in turn can’t be counted on not to repeat such slurs in public. As slur-prone Donald Trump might say, What a mess!

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Post by: Tasty on November 18, 2015, 12:16:36 PM

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/11/18/ben-carson-campaign-shares-distorted-map-new-england/QvuG3WugGLF27drGZzN7XO/story.html

:lol C'mon man. :neogaf

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 18, 2015, 12:38:36 PM

I can't get over how amazing that NYT piece is.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 12:45:29 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 18, 2015, 12:16:36 PM

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/11/18/ben-carson-campaign-shares-distorted-map-new-england/QvuG3WugGLF27drGZzN7XO/story.html

:lol C'mon man. :neogaf

(http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/yhjotf07bjc7i6zfk7cn.jpg)

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Post by: Rufus on November 18, 2015, 12:47:24 PM

Speaking of:
http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/11/16/3722838/all-paris-attackers-identified-so-far-are-european-nationals-according-to-top-eu-official/

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Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 12:53:08 PM

Chinese-Syrian refugees in Canada are trying to steal our states.

They already used some kind of shrink ray on Massachusetts.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 12:55:54 PM

I'm wondering why they even bothered to move the states, I'm sure they copy-pasted the U.S. map from somewhere right?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 18, 2015, 01:01:14 PM

Quote from: brob on November 18, 2015, 10:21:36 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/18/us/politics/ben-carson-is-struggling-to-grasp-foreign-policy-advisers-say.html?_r=0

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“Nobody has been able to sit down with him and have him get one iota of intelligent information about the Middle East,” said Duane R. Clarridge, a top adviser to Mr. Carson on terrorism and national security. He also said Mr. Carson needed weekly conference calls briefing him on foreign policy so “we can make him smart.”
[...]
And Mr. Carson has attracted extra attention because his statements give rise to questions about where, as a retired neurosurgeon without government experience, he turns for information and counsel on complex global issues. What is unusual is the candor of those who are tutoring him about his struggle to master the subject.

:lawd

I'm sure Dewey Clarridge will get him sorted out on where to sell the missiles and which murder squads needs to be armed.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 01:01:29 PM

"Michael Meador
The US captured a "prototype" rifle in Afghanistan about 8 years ago that turned out to be Chinese. Now, China is in Syria. The prototype rifle was very advanced and is literally decades ahead of the M16. I would like to publicly thank all the short sighted politicians that won't repeal the Unconstitutional machine gun ban for their actions. Our enemies have access to a new generation of small arms that we cannot build. If we lose our electronic warfare superiority, we are screwed. If this happens, the firearms industry cannot create, prototype, and get into action a firearm to respond to this new technology in time. The industry isn't going to put money into serious development of a small arm when there is literally one customer that can buy it. This is why we have had the M16 for 50 years. Stop the political crap and start realizing that these stupid laws are putting our nation, our way of life, our freedoms and our very lives at risk."

Carson's Facebook followers :dead

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 18, 2015, 01:07:25 PM

We need to repeal our machine gun ban because someone may have a better machine gun on the other side of the planet?
 :heh

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Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 01:09:53 PM

I doubt the machine gun ban applies to the military and its contractors, especially since he's not even talking about machine guns and the I'm pretty sure the M16 has mostly been replaced: http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/03/18/army-wants-upgrades-improve-m4a1-carbines-performance-accuracy.html?comp=7000023435630&rank=3

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Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 01:15:27 PM

Wait...now I'm replying to internet comments.

 :doge

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 01:19:29 PM

Anyone know where that satellite pic is from? Wouldn't be stunned if it's fake or out of context.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2015, 01:22:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 01:19:29 PM

Anyone know where that satellite pic is from? Wouldn't be stunned if it's fake or out of context.

Those are balls.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 01:32:47 PM

I just googled image searched US map and USA outline map and USA map vector but couldn't come up with anything. Hopefully someone getting actually paid to do this can find it and we'll see it on Buzzfeed, Vox, or something soon.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 01:37:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 01:19:29 PM

Anyone know where that satellite pic is from? Wouldn't be stunned if it's fake or out of context.

I bet the pic is legit, but it's not a surprise that the SAA has Chinese equipment. Here's an article written in 2013 where the author is excited that we get to test Chinese radar by bombing it in Syria:

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If the US strikes Syria, China would get to see just how well some of its radars and electronic warfare (EW) emitters perform in combat.

Among the Chinese systems deployed by the Syrian military are the JYL-1 3-D long-range surveillance radar, Type 120 (LLQ120) 2D low-altitude acquisition radar, and JY-27 VHF long-range surveillance radar, according to Richard Fisher, a senior fellow with the US-based International Assessment and Strategy Center.
[...]

http://archive.defensenews.com/article/20130830/DEFREG04/308300018/Syrian-Strikes-Would-Battle-Test-Chinese-Radars

It's obviously not what Carson meant during the debate (if he even knew what he meant) but it's a pretty good pivot as campaign politics go. Surprised it took them that long to come up with something coherent.

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Post by: helios on November 18, 2015, 01:41:54 PM

France is still accepting refugees despite the attack. Meanwhile, all of these states her in America are being pussies. Guess we can't really make fun of France being cowards anymore.

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Post by: Trent Dole on November 18, 2015, 01:44:19 PM

France is why we don't have the fucking Queen on our money but plenty were happy to talk shit anyway a few years back. People don't let something as trivial as facts get in the way of their ranting.

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Post by: Mupepe on November 18, 2015, 02:36:18 PM

France is also the reason we have skimpy and sexy underwear.  If it wasn't for them we'd still be ogling ankles and shit.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 04:15:10 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 18, 2015, 02:36:18 PM

France is also the reason we have skimpy and sexy underwear.  If it wasn't for them we'd still be ogling ankles and shit.

I just fact-checked this and it seems that an English woman pioneered visually appealing lingerie in the late nineteenth century and an American woman patented the first bra. :piss (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Animated-Flag-France.gif/50px-Animated-Flag-France.gif) :piss2

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 04:28:21 PM

Obama's shade just gets more and more amazing as he nears the end of his term:

(http://i.imgur.com/5oyW06E.png)

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/17/republicans-congress-syrian-refugees-us-paris-attacks

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 18, 2015, 04:50:25 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 04:28:21 PM

Obama's shade just gets more and more amazing as he nears the end of his term:

(http://i.imgur.com/5oyW06E.png)

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/17/republicans-congress-syrian-refugees-us-paris-attacks

Ted Cruz is triggered af and is ready to throw down with Obama.

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/feisty-cruz-to-obama-insult-me-to-my-face-lets-debate-refugee-plan-569136707820

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Post by: Tasty on November 18, 2015, 04:53:19 PM

:lol This is amazing.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 05:23:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDz7iJYJXmE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_7gauInYUo
McCain looked rustled as fuck  :doge

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Post by: Mupepe on November 18, 2015, 06:57:00 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 04:15:10 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 18, 2015, 02:36:18 PM

France is also the reason we have skimpy and sexy underwear.  If it wasn't for them we'd still be ogling ankles and shit.

I just fact-checked this and it seems that an English woman pioneered visually appealing lingerie in the late nineteenth century and an American woman patented the first bra. :piss (https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Animated-Flag-France.gif/50px-Animated-Flag-France.gif) :piss2

Patents-Smatents.  French people are pervy and that's why we love them.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 08:39:03 PM

Maybe there would be no refugee crisis, maybe there would be. What we do know is that taking out Assad would result in a pretty simple question: who takes over next? And what's to stop that new regime from punishing those who benefited from Assad's reign, thus creating a refugee problem or a mass killings problem. There is no simple or good solution. If anything it seems to me like Assad holding onto power and defeating his enemies would result in the most stable "solution."

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 10:43:17 PM

Wasn't the unofficial plan to topple Assad's regime after Saddam, but that got nixed when the Iraqi insurgency got out of control? I remember wargaming Syria invasions in 2005.

So basically it's Bush's fault for being a weak military leader, not Obama's.

 :patel

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 18, 2015, 10:48:59 PM

Didn't Cheney say he had heavily advised Bush to bomb some Syrian location that year and Bush refused. Cheney argued it was a legitimate indictment on Bush's handling of the war on terrorism in his book lol.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 18, 2015, 10:58:05 PM

Quote

Tuesday, April 15, 2003

BUSH VETOES SYRIA WAR PLAN

The White House has privately ruled out suggestions that the US should go to war against Syria following its military success in Iraq, and has blocked preliminary planning for such a campaign in the Pentagon, the Guardian learned yesterday.
In the past few weeks, the US defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, ordered contingency plans for a war on Syria to be reviewed following the fall of Baghdad

[...]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/15/syria.usa

Bush the coward created this mess by not showing the world US strength!

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 18, 2015, 11:02:21 PM

I wonder what caused Bush to balk at a Syria invasion, considering that Cheney and Rumsfeld well all for it?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 18, 2015, 11:13:38 PM

After our success in Iraq, why not just sweep through Syria on the way out the door?

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Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2015, 05:02:57 AM

Jesus, have Republicans made a bet to outdo far right Euros in outrageous quotes regarding refugees ?

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Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2015, 08:41:03 AM

Everyone (http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/) knows Saddam's WMDs were trucked into Syria (http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=5137) prior to the invasion. If Bush continued the war into Syria his masterplan to steal Iraq's oil for Halliburton by not even manufacturing WMDs to find would have come undone once all the WMDs with "FROM: IRAQ; TO: SYRIA" stamped on them with Saddam's signature were discovered.

It also would have harmed his plan to place Obama as his successor to retroactively justify all his policies after using Hillary's Iraq vote to take her out. He knew a foreign born Muslim couldn't overturn his war policies and that only a Muslim could kill Osama without causing a massive uprising in the Middle East. Unfortunately, Obama and Hillary are so clueless they allowed Benghazi which directly led to ISIS.

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Post by: Mods Help on November 20, 2015, 10:41:47 AM

Quote from: helios on November 18, 2015, 01:41:54 PM

France is still accepting refugees despite the attack. Meanwhile, all of these states her in America are being pussies. Guess we can't really make fun of France being cowards anymore.

The France are cowards jokes have always been dumb.

A lot of French died in WW2.

Remember Freedom Fries? America should be forever reminded of that embarrassment.

Google France's reaction to the Iraq War. They had an amazing speech at the UN.

France made a statue to honor the peril and tribulations of slaves. America didn't like that one bit because Americans are cowards.

Truth is, we've kind of always been the cowards. Starting a war with little international support and strong arming countries to join in is pretty cowardly.

Having police murder 1000 citizens in a year and having school shootings week after week and not wanting to do anything about it because "bubu my guns" is pretty cowardly.

So we know who the real cowards are. We just don't want to admit it.

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Post by: Mods Help on November 20, 2015, 11:08:39 AM

If you hate America, and what it stands for, this is a pretty great piece for you that was last year in the Japan Times.

A pertinent quote:

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Speaking of which, Americans have a lot of balls calling Frenchman “surrender monkeys” considering that nearly twice as many French soldiers were killed in the 1940 Battle of France over six weeks as the United States lost in Vietnam over the course of a decade. Meanwhile, we’re still whining about the 58,000 we lost in — no, invading — Vietnam.

:aah

More here:

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/12/12/commentary/world-commentary/why-are-americans-such-cowards/#.Vk9ChYpOLv4

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Post by: VomKriege on November 20, 2015, 11:44:25 AM

Those slurs were always dumb, especially in relation to the Bush Adventures in Iraq (The WWII one stings but the French Army was thoroughly exposed, and whatever the causes you adhere to, none really shine a bright light on what happened). I don't think one needs to go back to the French intervention in the American Civil War or make comparisons of casualties counts. France has had in spades its own sort of bad faith regarding those matters, and a lot of countries end up the butt joke of military valor, all fairly equally unjust to the individual soldier. History is history as it was once said nations have no permanent friends or allies, they only have permanent interests. I am fairly confident France, the UK and USA would stand together when in grave, real need, and I value this a lot more than the jingoistic moodswings of either country.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And if the US do not... well, we still have our nuclear deterrent.

[close]

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 20, 2015, 05:26:39 PM

A good response to that stuff is to just sing Le Marseillaise in English. Makes most anthems sound like nursery rhymes.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 21, 2015, 12:16:58 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/20/opinions/bush-refugee-policy/index.html

Jeb, you can't even lead a misanthropic group of political lightweights, bro.

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Post by: Tasty on November 21, 2015, 01:25:12 AM

(https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12235113_533749310117666_8660802016703894895_n.jpg?oh=4dedc660b2f5f2995c1042239e998cf9&oe=56E19D0B)

Deffo voting for Bernie now.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 10:19:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKr3Y1OXQ3k

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Post by: Barraco Barner on November 21, 2015, 10:42:31 PM

 :stahp(http://i.imgur.com/dNUqHxO.png) :stahp

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0BzItCPk5j4

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Post by: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 10:52:48 PM

i want my country back

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 21, 2015, 10:59:55 PM

:noah

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Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 12:33:56 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/11/21/cancel-the-debate-cnn-caught-selectively-editing-trumps-muslim-comments/

Quote

Cancel the Debate! CNN Caught Selectively-Editing Trump’s ‘Muslim’ Comments

Left-wing cable news network CNN has been caught red-handed selectively editing Republican presidential frontrunner Donald Trump’s comments about a “Muslim registry,” and doing so in order to make it sound as though he is agreeing to this registry. He is not.

The edited video is yet another lying log on the left-wing garbage fire that is CNN, and yet in just three weeks, this very same garbage fire is hosting the next Republican presidential debate!

What exactly does CNN have to do in order to lose its right to depose these candidates for two hours in front of the whole world? If CNN is already maliciously editing video to “take out” out the frontrunner, I don’t even want to speculate.

...

It is time for Reince Priebus and the Republican Party to stand up these left-wing hit squads disguising themselves as journalists.

CNN should not be allowed within a country mile of a GOP debate.

How many more warning signs does the Republican Party need to realize that this is a suicide mission?

Do we want to win in 2016, or not?

:rofl

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Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 12:48:23 AM

Honest, trustworthy, personality and temperament:
(http://i.imgur.com/hWOsYoYh.jpg)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 22, 2015, 12:53:07 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 21, 2015, 10:19:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKr3Y1OXQ3k

Hasn't David's willie already got him in enough trouble?

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Post by: brob on November 22, 2015, 01:05:48 AM

https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video/CUZKsBWWcAAAruO.mp4

u can tell they'd make a good ticket, jeb! has a real good embittered subordinate act.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 22, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

last Jindal lolz.

the next GOP debate on CNN would have likely included Jindal due to their now favorability of early state polling. Bobby just had to hang on a little while longer.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2015, 03:21:48 AM

David Vitter looks like that dude who builds tree houses.

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Post by: Barraco Barner on November 22, 2015, 03:51:14 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 22, 2015, 02:57:38 AM

last Jindal lolz.

the next GOP debate on CNN would have likely included Jindal due to their now favorability of early state polling. Bobby just had to hang on a little while longer.

Quote

And then there’s Gov. Bobby Jindal, whose relationship with Vitter is worse than it is with Democrats in the state. Jindal announced he was abandoning his quixotic presidential race just as Vitter was going on the air with an ad highlighting the Paris terrorist attacks. Observers in the state see the abrupt decision as not-so-subtle pay back for Vitter’s decision to hold a press conference admitting to visiting prostitutes the same day Jindal announced his bid for governor in 2007.

Then on Wednesday afternoon, Jindal floated a new budget plan, a move that further sucked up the political oxygen Vitter’s campaign desperately needs. A press conference on the refugee crisis originally planned to be held in front of the Catholic Charities’ refugee assistance office was scraped at the last minute in favor of one focused on the budget on the state capitol’s front steps.

Vitter may have been seeing a shift in voter sentiments, “but then Bobby Jindal parachuted in,” said Edward Chervenak, director of the Survey Research Center at the University of New Orleans.

You're welcome Dems

(http://www.alan.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/bobby-jindal.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 04:03:54 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 22, 2015, 03:21:48 AM

David Vitter looks like that dude who builds tree houses.

Everything about his facial expressions in this video makes me uncomfortable for some reason:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzKDj9TJVOg

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2015, 06:42:01 AM

His wife definitely took the L. Probably thought ok I'll stick with this fuckboy for the children and because he could be governor in a decade or so. Now the kids are grown and her husband is a loser. Won't be running for re-election next year either. Divorce his ass, ma'am.

Pretty sure he was the only republican in the state who could lose that race lol.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 22, 2015, 10:12:31 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34131429

Response to the US getting close the the south china sea islands a few weeks back?

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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 22, 2015, 01:05:41 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 22, 2015, 12:48:23 AM

Honest, trustworthy, personality and temperament:
(http://i.imgur.com/hWOsYoYh.jpg)

Jeb! barely beating out Other/No Opinion. :dead

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 22, 2015, 04:10:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/8gm9Ciw.png)

This tweet made me wonder if I've ever been retweeted just to point out how dumb/horrible I am  :ohhh

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Post by: Mandark on November 22, 2015, 04:20:15 PM

That "whites killed by blacks" stat is such an amazingly brazen lie, too.  Sheesh.

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 22, 2015, 04:21:04 PM

Wait, can someone decode that tweet for me?  What are the percentages?

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 22, 2015, 04:25:12 PM

The percentages don't matter—statistics for 2015 wouldn't be released yet by the San Fransisco Crime Statistics Bureau (even if it did exist.)

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 22, 2015, 04:26:05 PM

Never mind I got it.  Yeah, total bullshit.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2015, 04:42:40 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2015, 04:20:15 PM

That "whites killed by blacks" stat is such an amazingly brazen lie, too.  Sheesh.

The national white-on-white percentage is something like 80-85% iirc, but that image alleges it's using San Fransisco numbers. Still I'm going to fucking doubt that 81% of white homicides in SF are committed by black people.

edit: and Samson is right lol. 2015 isn't out yet. Trump troll'd

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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 22, 2015, 05:28:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2015, 04:42:40 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2015, 04:20:15 PM

That "whites killed by blacks" stat is such an amazingly brazen lie, too.  Sheesh.

edit: and Samson is right lol. 2015 isn't out yet. Trump troll'd

And the "San Francisco Crime Statistics Bureau" doesn't exist.

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Post by: Shadow Mod on November 22, 2015, 05:34:23 PM

Seems like you could make some throw away twitter accounts, create some images/graphs that reinforce a racist/sexist/bigoted position and dudes like Trump and those anti-PP nonces would readily broadcast it nationally. I think I found my alterego of chaos.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 22, 2015, 07:41:43 PM

Quote from: CajoleJuice on November 22, 2015, 05:28:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 22, 2015, 04:42:40 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 22, 2015, 04:20:15 PM

That "whites killed by blacks" stat is such an amazingly brazen lie, too.  Sheesh.

edit: and Samson is right lol. 2015 isn't out yet. Trump troll'd

And the "San Francisco Crime Statistics Bureau" doesn't exist.

The distinguished African-American fellow with a do-rag and a gun turned sideways begs to differ. His pants don't appear to be sagging tho, so it's still possible it could be fake.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 22, 2015, 07:55:58 PM

Whack on whack stats.

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Post by: CajoleJuice on November 22, 2015, 08:01:23 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 22, 2015, 07:55:58 PM

Whack on whack stats.

 :dunno

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 23, 2015, 12:53:06 AM

whack on whack off

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2015, 01:22:16 AM

Quote

I would bring it back, yes. I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they'd do to us," Trump told "This Week" on ABC. "We have to be strong. You know, they don't use waterboarding over there; they use chopping off people's heads."

Quote

Trump also wants mosques "surveiled," he said. "There are certain hot spots, and everybody knows (the mosques) are hot spots," Trump told ABC's George Stephanopoulos.

We need a Trump emoticon.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 23, 2015, 04:26:58 AM

Also he heard thousands cheering in NJ when the WTC went down.

Do actual soul searching will happen at GOP ? Sensible conservatives must realize they are buying their own rope with so many fuckery.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 06:26:39 AM

(http://catallaxyfiles.com/files/2014/05/george-bush-miss-me-yet.jpg)

Yes  :'(

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 23, 2015, 10:23:33 AM

to be fair,
if you really think we're not already surveilling certain mosques you haven't been paying attention at all.

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 23, 2015, 11:30:07 AM

Yeah of course mosques are monitored. I think he basically wants to turn them into fish bowls.

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Post by: brob on November 23, 2015, 12:03:04 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/nyregion/appeals-court-reinstates-lawsuit-over-police-surveillance-of-muslims.html

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 12:10:09 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 23, 2015, 01:22:16 AM

Quote

I would bring it back, yes. I would bring it back. I think waterboarding is peanuts compared to what they'd do to us," Trump told "This Week" on ABC. "We have to be strong. You know, they don't use waterboarding over there; they use chopping off people's heads."

Quote

Trump also wants mosques "surveiled," he said. "There are certain hot spots, and everybody knows (the mosques) are hot spots," Trump told ABC's George Stephanopoulos.

We need a Trump emoticon.

(http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/64398354.jpg)

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 23, 2015, 12:25:44 PM

It's disgusting to see presidential candidates openly hoping for an attack on US soil so they can take political advantage.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 12:42:19 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 23, 2015, 12:25:44 PM

It's disgusting to see presidential candidates openly hoping for an attack on US soil so they can take political advantage.

Oh you mean like operation Northwoods? :kobeyuck

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 12:55:29 PM

If some type of small scale Paris-esque attack happens here under Obama, they'll tear this country apart. We're seeing the window dressing in preparation for it now. "Obama didn't take the threat seriously, now Americans are dead" etc. Tough situation. If you come out and say ISIS is not a threat to the United States and then they pull off some mass shooting...you get crucified by the media and the same politicians who don't give a fuck when white people are doing the mass shootings.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 01:13:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 12:55:29 PM

If some type of small scale Paris-esque attack happens here under Obama, they'll tear this country apart. We're seeing the window dressing in preparation for it now. "Obama didn't take the threat seriously, now Americans are dead" etc. Tough situation. If you come out and say ISIS is not a threat to the United States and then they pull off some mass shooting...you get crucified by the media and the same politicians who don't give a fuck when white people are doing the mass shootings.

I mean I'm not as down on our President as most of my republican friends are but if you really think he's handling this situation well or even adequately....yikes

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 23, 2015, 01:19:36 PM

That certainly is the running narrative, but the notion that the POTUS or any POTUS isn't doing anything to protect American's is just going full distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 23, 2015, 01:20:52 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 01:13:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 12:55:29 PM

If some type of small scale Paris-esque attack happens here under Obama, they'll tear this country apart. We're seeing the window dressing in preparation for it now. "Obama didn't take the threat seriously, now Americans are dead" etc. Tough situation. If you come out and say ISIS is not a threat to the United States and then they pull off some mass shooting...you get crucified by the media and the same politicians who don't give a fuck when white people are doing the mass shootings.

I mean I'm not as down on our President as most of my republican friends are but if you really think he's handling this situation well or even adequately....yikes

How so? In what way? Do you just think he should be more belligerent and combative? Or do you think we need boots on the ground?

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 01:27:22 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 23, 2015, 01:20:52 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 01:13:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 12:55:29 PM

If some type of small scale Paris-esque attack happens here under Obama, they'll tear this country apart. We're seeing the window dressing in preparation for it now. "Obama didn't take the threat seriously, now Americans are dead" etc. Tough situation. If you come out and say ISIS is not a threat to the United States and then they pull off some mass shooting...you get crucified by the media and the same politicians who don't give a fuck when white people are doing the mass shootings.

I mean I'm not as down on our President as most of my republican friends are but if you really think he's handling this situation well or even adequately....yikes

How so? In what way? Do you just think he should be more belligerent and combative? Or do you think we need boots on the ground?

I think we've turned enough cheeks at this point and definitely shouldnt alienate France by basically saying "Nah dog, we ain't doing anything more than we are now." which is exactly what he did.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 01:42:21 PM

Honestly given that I don't really support interventions that have no impact on US security...he hasn't done much to piss me off on this particular issue. The issue is moreso drawing a red line and doing nothing after someone steps over it. But then again should I criticize him for not boxing himself into a corner and doing something I don't support (starting a war with Syria/toppling Assad)? I can't get mad over that, although obviously I understand why people view it as weakness.

We've bombed ISIS thousands of times. Literally. I think we should allow those in the area to handle this, and simply offer the logistics they cannot handle. I don't want ground troops.

Ultimately IMO the best end result is Assad remaining in power, which is infinitely better than a collapsed government/power vacuum for extremists to exploit.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 01:48:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 01:42:21 PM

Ultimately IMO the best end result is Assad remaining in power, which is infinitely better than a collapsed government/power vacuum for extremists to exploit.

He's been in power for the last four years of this conflict. How is this the best end result?

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Post by: Rufus on November 23, 2015, 01:51:27 PM

I think he means "accept that he's in power" and then at the very least stop trying to depose him.

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Post by: brob on November 23, 2015, 02:00:54 PM

Syria might have been better off with Assad deposed prior to (or early into) the drought, but at this point they are thoroughly fucked regardless of who's on top.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 23, 2015, 02:09:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 01:27:22 PM

I think we've turned enough cheeks at this point and definitely shouldnt alienate France by basically saying "Nah dog, we ain't doing anything more than we are now." which is exactly what he did.

As a French living in France, I can assure you it's absolutely not the way it is perceived over here. Anyone with only a passing interest in french military operations know that in Iraq and Syria, the US Army is doing all the heavy lifting and that even in Lybia, the Franco-British joint effort was built on the backbone of the US Army logistics. Without that help it is even doubtful those two countries had the capability to conduct it (at least with this scope and without impairing all their other military commitments). There's no demand here for the USA to carry on with a land invasion, since France is far from even considering such an option for herself.

USA refusing to take in Syrian refugees would do a lot more to alienate all European countries.

Quote from: Rufus on November 23, 2015, 01:51:27 PM

I think he means "accept that he's in power" and then at the very least stop trying to depose him.

The realist choice seems to be to deal with the IS first, then to try to force unto him some sort of "decent" political transition.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 02:19:05 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 01:48:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 01:42:21 PM

Ultimately IMO the best end result is Assad remaining in power, which is infinitely better than a collapsed government/power vacuum for extremists to exploit.

He's been in power for the last four years of this conflict. How is this the best end result?

End result as in end of the conflict. Assad "winning" is the best option.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 02:52:08 PM

Will there be an Sunnis left in this Syria? Where do they go?

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 23, 2015, 02:52:56 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 02:52:08 PM

Will there be an Sunnis left in this Syria? Where do they go?

Apparently Pennsylvania and California as of now.

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Post by: Shadow Mod on November 23, 2015, 02:59:09 PM

Ground troops just means more people coming back with PTSD only to be shat on by our shitty ass VA and lack of support structures for them.

No fucking thanks.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 03:03:59 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 02:52:08 PM

Will there be an Sunnis left in this Syria? Where do they go?

We're not talking a perfect solution here. But if I were to ask you a question, what's the alternative? A lot of people are going to die no matter who "wins."

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Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2015, 03:22:52 PM

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_isis_air_campaign.jpg)

Yeah, it's odd that the French strikes have been reported/perceived as pretty massive and devastating over here, while lots of people think the US military is doing essentially nothing with ISIL.

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 23, 2015, 03:26:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/VnkKZ8B.png)

 :mindblown

Who is going over Obama's head to authorize these missions then?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 03:44:19 PM

that's up there with "Obama didn't want to get Bin Laden but was overruled" Sean Hannity fuckery.

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 23, 2015, 03:49:47 PM

Increased us/coalition involvement was pretty much the reason is' advances stopped in northern syria about a year and a half ago. Russia sent in the clones in September, IS has been consistently losing territory on every front in syria ever since. Kurdish forces/Rojava aren't going anywhere, theyre nato backed and friendly/nonconflicting with russian interests, they will likely have de facto autonomy in whichever state they're a part of when the dust settles. The only pending question is who, between the saa/hezbollah/Ba'athist Alawite particularist Assad government, the Islamist rebel groups -JaN, Jaish al-Fatah, Ahrar ash-Sham, whatevers left of the FSA- and the us-supported SDF/YPG, can carve out the most territory and political capital before people start taking peace talks seriously. So, years.

I can't speak for iraq, to my knowledge all IS controls is al-anbar?

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Post by: VomKriege on November 23, 2015, 03:53:23 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 23, 2015, 03:22:52 PM

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/blog_isis_air_campaign.jpg)

Yeah, it's odd that the French strikes have been reported/perceived as pretty massive and devastating over here, while lots of people think the US military is doing essentially nothing with ISIL.

It's pure political marketing, like the use of the word "intensify" which rings hollow considering the abuse, France is given the spotlight for understandable reasons. Up until recently French activity over the IS was somewhat sparse (and a few months back, limited to Iraq, like most European participants I believe, on account of the shared position of not helping Assad). US contribution is like 80-90% of the Western effort in those massive, extended airstrike campaigns. The aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle being sent on a new mission here is a serious upgrade for the French force, as it adds 26 planes to the 12 stationed over two airstrips nearby. French Air Force totals 230 fighters / fighters bombers approx., so it is a significant commitment (As you may know, Western Europe has discarded strategic bombers from the inventory. Too expensive for no real use). Even then, the french contribution will be a drop in the bucket even if useful (more planes, more boats and more intelligence is good for everyone). I suspect a lot of Americans do not realize, because of the absolutely massive means of the US Armed Forces, just how constrained armies are anywhere else.

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 23, 2015, 03:26:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/VnkKZ8B.png)

 :mindblown

Who is going over Obama's head to authorize these missions then?

(http://abload.de/img/god-is-real-gifltrav.gif)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 23, 2015, 04:11:52 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-trump-cheering-nj-9-11

Ben Carson told reporters on Monday that he has seen the news coverage of New Jersey residents cheering after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, a debunked rumor resurfaced by Donald Trump over the weekend.

He told reporters in Nevada that he "saw the film" of New Jersey residents cheering, later clarifying that he saw the "newsreels" of the cheering, according to ABC News.

 :idont

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Post by: Mandark on November 23, 2015, 04:13:06 PM

Carson is like the bizarro Snopes at this point.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 04:31:58 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 23, 2015, 04:13:06 PM

Carson is like the bizarro Snopes at this point.

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/124440/ben-carson-claims-saw-video-american-muslims-celebrating-911-one-piece-evidence-briefing-book-just-printed-chain-emails

the larger question becomes, how did five Israelis take a selfie on 911, before selfies were created? Given Jewish contributions to time travel science (see: Einstein, Eliyahu) we shouldn't be surprised.
:ohhh

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Post by: chronovore on November 23, 2015, 05:36:22 PM

https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/668576082661130240

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 05:48:15 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUh0mihUkAA1Dpr.png)

well Bernie just lost the Bore vote.  :doge

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Post by: Atramental on November 23, 2015, 05:50:59 PM

Comic Sans?  :doge

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/261141-killer-mike-sanders-dine-together-in-atlanta

 :ryker

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 23, 2015, 07:36:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 03:44:19 PM

that's up there with "Obama didn't want to get Bin Laden but was overruled" Sean Hannity fuckery.

I'm legit surprised there aren't more Osama truthers that believe that Obama faked Bin Laden's death and put him up in a New York penthouse because they're butt buddies. I can only assume Roger Ailes has been warned not to go there because this is actually what did happen.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 07:41:57 PM

I love Killer Mike but dude compared Hillary to Margaret Thatcher while praising Sanders recently. Come on breh...
:beli

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 11:53:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 03:03:59 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 02:52:08 PM

Will there be an Sunnis left in this Syria? Where do they go?

We're not talking a perfect solution here. But if I were to ask you a question, what's the alternative? A lot of people are going to die no matter who "wins."

Assad might not be going anywhere, but it doesn't look like the FSA or Islamists or Kurds are either. Obviously the "end" of this is next to impossible to plan or forecast for anyone, let alone lay Bore posters, but I can't see anything working other than the Balkanization of at least Syria and probably Iraq, with an effectively permanent presence of UN peacekeepers.

Assad in power of Syria's 2011 borders can never happen again. Those days are gone forever.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 24, 2015, 12:14:28 PM

John Bolton reads the Bore confirmed:

Quote

This Sunni state proposal differs sharply from the vision of the Russian-Iranian axis and its proxies (Hezbollah, Mr. Assad and Tehran-backed Baghdad). Their aim of restoring Iraqi and Syrian governments to their former borders is a goal fundamentally contrary to American, Israeli and friendly Arab state interests. Notions, therefore, of an American-Russian coalition against the Islamic State are as undesirable as they are glib.

In Syria, Moscow wants to dominate the regime (with or without Mr. Assad) and safeguard Russia’s Tartus naval base and its new Latakia air base. Tehran wants a continuing Alawite supremacy, with full protection for Hezbollah in Lebanon and Syria.

As for Iraq, Russia and Iran want the Sunni territories returned to Baghdad’s control, reinforcing Iran’s regional influence. They may wish for the same in Kurdistan, but they lack the capability there.

Sunnis today support the Islamic State for many of the same reasons they once supported Al Qaeda in Iraq — as a bulwark against being ruled by Tehran via Baghdad. Telling these Sunni people that their reward for rising against the Islamic State in Syria and Iraq will be to put them back in thrall to Mr. Assad and his ilk, or to Shiite-dominated Baghdad, will simply intensify their support for the jihadists. Why would they switch sides?

This is why, after destroying the Islamic State, America should pursue the far-reaching goal of creating a new Sunni state. Though difficult in the near term, over time this is more conducive to regional order and stability.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/25/opinion/john-bolton-to-defeat-isis-create-a-sunni-state.html?_r=0

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Post by: Mandark on November 24, 2015, 05:14:02 PM

Yeah.  From all reports the US has been looking at some kind of negotiated peace as an endpoint to this clusterfuck, and you have to think some kind of partition is waaaaay more likely than reconciliation and power-sharing with the previous borders intact.

At this point I'm not even sure what the path to a negotiated peace would even look like.  The rebels seem super fragmented, the regional patrons who would hopefully push the factions into negotiations don't have any trust among themselves, and everyone might figure "keep fighting so you have the best position on the ground when the music stops" is the best strategy.  "Never negotiate from a point of weakness" blah blah blah.  Just a huge fucking mess.

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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 24, 2015, 05:37:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 23, 2015, 04:11:52 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-trump-cheering-nj-9-11

Ben Carson told reporters on Monday that he has seen the news coverage of New Jersey residents cheering after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, a debunked rumor resurfaced by Donald Trump over the weekend.

He told reporters in Nevada that he "saw the film" of New Jersey residents cheering, later clarifying that he saw the "newsreels" of the cheering, according to ABC News.

 :idont

When I first heard about this I made some awful crack to a friend along the lines of "He was probably confusing Camden with suburban Afghanistan. Easy mistake." Like 12 hours later I see this


https://twitter.com/KFaulders/status/668924301953798144

 :neogaf

 :snoop

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Post by: Mandark on November 24, 2015, 05:45:48 PM

Oh, and Rand Paul doesn't want any Syrian refugees admitted to the US.

I feel like a complete sucker for being even mildly surprised at this.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 24, 2015, 07:55:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 24, 2015, 05:14:02 PM

At this point I'm not even sure what the path to a negotiated peace would even look like.  The rebels seem super fragmented, the regional patrons who would hopefully push the factions into negotiations don't have any trust among themselves, and everyone might figure "keep fighting so you have the best position on the ground when the music stops" is the best strategy.  "Never negotiate from a point of weakness" blah blah blah.  Just a huge fucking mess.

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/176295/story_image/bo151111.png)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 24, 2015, 08:07:27 PM

Send arms to Immortal Joe.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 24, 2015, 08:50:44 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 11:53:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 23, 2015, 03:03:59 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 23, 2015, 02:52:08 PM

Will there be an Sunnis left in this Syria? Where do they go?

We're not talking a perfect solution here. But if I were to ask you a question, what's the alternative? A lot of people are going to die no matter who "wins."

Assad might not be going anywhere, but it doesn't look like the FSA or Islamists or Kurds are either. Obviously the "end" of this is next to impossible to plan or forecast for anyone, let alone lay Bore posters, but I can't see anything working other than the Balkanization of at least Syria and probably Iraq, with an effectively permanent presence of UN peacekeepers.

Assad in power of Syria's 2011 borders can never happen again. Those days are gone forever.

Based on my sources* I'm going to have to disagree with you

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 25, 2015, 06:04:37 AM

http://m.startribune.com/minn-gop-group-deletes-tweet-dfl-called-racist-and-bigoted/353162601/

Self created distinguished black fellow problems  :aah

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: tiesto on November 25, 2015, 03:43:59 PM

Went to my uncle's to pick up a table for Thanksgiving (which I'm hosting this year), since my aunt/uncle/mom all agreed not to talk politics at dinner tomorrow he had to get it all out of his system... oh man hearing about how Muslims are literally the worst, how Hillary got a comedy club shut down for cracking benign jokes about her, how much of a failure Obama has been... good luck to all the people tomorrow that have to deal with this stuff. :gloomy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2015, 04:09:14 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 25, 2015, 06:04:37 AM

http://m.startribune.com/minn-gop-group-deletes-tweet-dfl-called-racist-and-bigoted/353162601/

Self created distinguished black fellow problems  :aah

"But no one got upset when Booker T. Washington said it"  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2015, 09:39:32 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/669672417774694400

(http://i.imgur.com/y2DGFiv.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2015, 11:38:35 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/25/media/donald-trump-serge-kovaleski/index.html

(http://i.imgur.com/sxeHka8.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Rufus on November 26, 2015, 12:39:21 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2015, 11:38:35 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2015/11/25/media/donald-trump-serge-kovaleski/index.html

(http://i.imgur.com/sxeHka8.png)

B-but people make fun of his hair, this is totally fair game.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 26, 2015, 02:00:59 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 25, 2015, 09:39:32 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/669672417774694400

(http://i.imgur.com/y2DGFiv.gif)

Welcome to The Suck

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/america-is-too-dumb-for-tv-news-20151125

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2015, 02:27:13 AM

Can you even imagine if in the midst of 24/7 balls-to-wall 9/11 coverage, the media had gotten a sniff of groups of Muslims cheering in the streets of Newark? It would have been everywhere and it would have been a bloodbath. "There's no video, but I remember seeing it" doesn't even begin to hold water.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 26, 2015, 06:41:37 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-11-24/ben-carson-seeks-13-percent-of-african-american-vote-to-beat-hillary-clinton

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Though President Barack Obama won 93 percent of the black vote in 2012, Carson is betting he can lead a significant portion of that demographic back to the party of Abraham Lincoln. In fact, his team has set ambitious target of winning 13 percent of the African-American vote in order to defeat the current Democratic front-runner in the general election.
“If we can capture that much of the African-American vote, it is mathematically impossible for her to win,” said Armstrong Williams, a longtime Carson adviser, referring to Clinton.

Seems hopeful

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“One hundred years from now, they'll talk about Ben Carson as a great surgeon—regardless of what happens with his political ambitions,” he said.

Okay now you're getting carried away

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 27, 2015, 01:17:08 PM

It's an interesting idea though. Just like there were many white Democrats that wouldn't vote for Obama, I bet there is a significant percentage of black voters that will vote for Carson just because of his skin color.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2015, 02:19:02 PM

Well, shit.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_29172660/colorado-springs-firefighters-respond-active-shooter-at-planned

Active shooter at Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 27, 2015, 03:06:32 PM

The irony being PP serves more women for prenatal care, so the abundance of patients there at any given moment are likely pregnant women seeking affordable care for their pregnancies.

But why let facts get in the way of being a tool of right wing rhetoric.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on November 27, 2015, 05:28:22 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU2atBSXAAMJtn7.png:large)

What the...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 27, 2015, 08:08:36 PM

Assholes gonna asshole...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU2zBLcVEAA7ZzD.jpg)

Then crocodile tears: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/670381458360438788

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 27, 2015, 08:11:12 PM

that guy is now beyond just normal asshole. He's a red gaping asshole with a trickle of shit sliding out of it. My god.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on November 27, 2015, 08:24:46 PM

Almost thought that was JayDub's twitter for a sec tbh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2015, 08:27:24 PM

White planned parenthood shooter taken alive after shooting 5 cops, black teenager with knife shot 16 times while walking away from cops.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2015, 10:20:11 PM

3 dead in the shooting, 1 of whom was a cop. He probably shouldn't have responded to the call according to JD.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2015, 10:28:02 PM

PD, remember this kid? I think you called this, but it happened quicker than I would have imagined.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/index.html

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"I was tired of being a champion of a party that turned a blind eye to racial discrimination. Tired of being a champion of any cause that denies equal rights to every American. Tired of being a champion of a party that doesn't care about the issues important to young people," Pearson wrote in an email.

The 13-year-old, African-American YouTube star from Georgia said in an interview that he began considering the change after a conversation with another teen friend, who asked why he doesn't speak out on racial discrimination -- to which he replied he was concerned his followers wouldn't be pleased.

He said the video of Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times by a police officer in Chicago helped open his eyes to the systemic problems of racial discrimination in America and the need to look at the issues objectively.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 27, 2015, 10:35:07 PM

To the surprise of no one.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 28, 2015, 04:04:24 AM

Teen changing his mind ? How could have the GOP known about that ?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 28, 2015, 05:50:21 AM

(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-11/27/22/enhanced/webdr13/enhanced-23175-1448681307-1.jpg)

 :iface

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 28, 2015, 09:48:58 AM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 27, 2015, 08:08:36 PM

Assholes gonna asshole...

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU2zBLcVEAA7ZzD.jpg)

Then crocodile tears: https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/670381458360438788

He is such a cunt

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 28, 2015, 10:11:33 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2015/11/27/3726100/congressman-slams-planned-parenthood-on-live-tv-during-active-shooting-at-planned-parenthood-clinic/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 28, 2015, 10:42:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PX9reO3QnUA&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 28, 2015, 03:39:11 PM

Turns out the shooter beat his wife and sexually harassed a neighbor.

Didn't see that coming.

 :beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: VomKriege on November 28, 2015, 04:12:58 PM

Meanwhile in France, Marion-Maréchal Le Pen (niece of Marine Le Pen) is under fire from her own backbench and her aunt for proposing to defund Planned Parenthood in the region she is running for the election  :smug

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Those assholes will fuck us up regardless  :-\

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Also it's not that they disagree, more that it is not an issue to bring up "now", in their own terms.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 28, 2015, 05:59:08 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706

Thanks Fiorina and other GOP anti-abortion crusaders.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on November 28, 2015, 06:11:34 PM

I'm glad he surrendered. It's best to put the ideology on trial and see who supports him.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 28, 2015, 06:53:02 PM

I thought it was plainly obvious who does? They'll never come out and say it, just continue the pattern of riling people up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 28, 2015, 07:11:50 PM

Every time I think "hey I wonder what happened to...what's his name...that one guy..." he appears as if out of mist.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/45305_Right_Wing_Troll_Chuck_C._Johnson_Pleased_at_Colorado_Planned_Parenthood_Attack

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 28, 2015, 10:15:16 PM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 28, 2015, 05:59:08 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706

Thanks Fiorina and other GOP anti-abortion crusaders.

Obama's making our police unsafe, tho.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 28, 2015, 10:50:22 PM

now that White Trash Riker has acted on all the flagrantly false information  (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/planned-parenthood-shooting-suspect-made-comment-about-no-more-baby-n470706)that he's consumed from 'fair and balanced' news sources, is there any legal recourse that could occur?

I mean, isn't this shit incitement on some level? Isn't it illegal to knowingly disseminate false and defamatory information? Planned Parenthood has nothing to lose, they'll still be hated, and everything to gain by suing all sorts of people and media apparatus.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2015, 12:24:31 AM

O'Reilly skated on George Tiller's death, and that was far closer to incitement than in this case. So, no, nothing will happen to Fox News et al.

http://gawker.com/5273612/bill-oreillys-holy-war-against-george-tiller

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on November 29, 2015, 12:25:55 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CU820KPXIAAP7FW.jpg)

he was the pleasant kind of wife beater and dog shooter...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 29, 2015, 12:30:04 AM

"gentle loner"

"occasionally unleashed violent acts toward neighbors and women he knew"

 :comeon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 29, 2015, 03:00:41 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/28/politics/black-religious-leaders-donald-trump-endorsement/index.html

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The meeting was described by the campaign in a press release as, "a coalition of 100 African American Evangelical pastors and religious leaders who will endorse the GOP frontrunner after a private meeting at Trump Tower."

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Bishop Clarence McClendon, a Los Angeles-based pastor who like Trump has appeared on reality television, was invited to the meeting but will not attend.

"The meeting was presented not as a meeting to endorse but a meeting to engage in dialogue," he said Friday on Facebook.

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Bishop Corletta Vaughn, Senior Pastor of The Holy Ghost Cathedral and a star of the Oxygen reality series "Preachers of Detroit," said she was invited to the meeting but will not attend nor endorse Trump.

"Trump is an insult and embarrassment. But he represents the country we have become," she said Wednesday on Facebook. "ZERO experience ... Flaunting a ticket of unbridled bigotry, sexism, racism and everything that is wrong with America."

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The Trump campaign has not responded to CNN request for comment on the issue Saturday, and in their announcement, the campaign did not specify, which religious leaders were invited to Monday's meeting.

 :cac

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on November 29, 2015, 06:36:11 AM

Quote from: Shadow Mod on November 28, 2015, 06:53:02 PM

I thought it was plainly obvious who does? They'll never come out and say it, just continue the pattern of riling people up.

Well I meant like the ones who stick to their extremist position even after a disaster.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2015, 02:00:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2015, 10:28:02 PM

PD, remember this kid? I think you called this, but it happened quicker than I would have imagined.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/index.html

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"I was tired of being a champion of a party that turned a blind eye to racial discrimination. Tired of being a champion of any cause that denies equal rights to every American. Tired of being a champion of a party that doesn't care about the issues important to young people," Pearson wrote in an email.

The 13-year-old, African-American YouTube star from Georgia said in an interview that he began considering the change after a conversation with another teen friend, who asked why he doesn't speak out on racial discrimination -- to which he replied he was concerned his followers wouldn't be pleased.

He said the video of Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times by a police officer in Chicago helped open his eyes to the systemic problems of racial discrimination in America and the need to look at the issues objectively.

Yup, I think you also called this. It seems like he wants to essentially take a half measure though - keep the conservative ideology while incorporating other views he thinks will gain him more followers (not being a dick to gay people, believing in social justice, etc). That's not gonna work out for him. So now I'm wondering whether he'll simply go back to the far right after this new venture bombs, or whether he'll completely swear off conservatism.

For instance he made this video last week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKSFKSPHPU

Remember when republicans said that all they need to do is support immigration reform and suddenly everything will be fine? That's basically what's happening here.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Yulwei on November 30, 2015, 02:08:59 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 28, 2015, 05:50:21 AM

(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-11/27/22/enhanced/webdr13/enhanced-23175-1448681307-1.jpg)

 :iface

disgusting

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: studyguy on November 30, 2015, 04:40:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 30, 2015, 02:00:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 27, 2015, 10:28:02 PM

PD, remember this kid? I think you called this, but it happened quicker than I would have imagined.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/index.html

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"I was tired of being a champion of a party that turned a blind eye to racial discrimination. Tired of being a champion of any cause that denies equal rights to every American. Tired of being a champion of a party that doesn't care about the issues important to young people," Pearson wrote in an email.

The 13-year-old, African-American YouTube star from Georgia said in an interview that he began considering the change after a conversation with another teen friend, who asked why he doesn't speak out on racial discrimination -- to which he replied he was concerned his followers wouldn't be pleased.

He said the video of Laquan McDonald being shot 16 times by a police officer in Chicago helped open his eyes to the systemic problems of racial discrimination in America and the need to look at the issues objectively.

Yup, I think you also called this. It seems like he wants to essentially take a half measure though - keep the conservative ideology while incorporating other views he thinks will gain him more followers (not being a dick to gay people, believing in social justice, etc). That's not gonna work out for him. So now I'm wondering whether he'll simply go back to the far right after this new venture bombs, or whether he'll completely swear off conservatism.

For instance he made this video last week
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVKSFKSPHPU

Remember when republicans said that all they need to do is support immigration reform and suddenly everything will be fine? That's basically what's happening here.

We lost another one of The Good Ones^TM, boys.
 :usacry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2015, 09:16:51 PM

http://www.vox.com/a/thanksgiving-family-debates-2015

http://www.yourrepublicanuncle.com/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2015, 09:51:22 PM

http://freebeacon.com/blog/guest-column-how-to-talk-to-your-pansy-marxist-nephew-at-thanksgiving/

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Happy Thanksgiving and thanks for publishing my column.

I’m a big fan of this holiday because few things are more American than boozing up and chowing down ’til your ankles swell and your corduroys pop. In between, you get to watch some football and share your thoughts on the trainwreck presidency of Barack Hussein Obama (hint hint).

I consider myself a knowledgable debater because I read up on the blogs and I’m typically one of the most “liked” commenters on the articles.

The reason I’m writing this is because my brother’s dumb kid likes to get chatty with me. I’ve never seen anyone bring so many printouts to the dinner table. His “talking points,” he says. Reminds me of my last divorce, all those friggin’ printouts. This kid, my nephew, will never admit to being a communist, it’s always this “moderate independent” crap. But his Facebook feed is full of Bernie Sandinista, if you know what I mean, and he recently tweeted some gibberish about riding the bus in Czechoslovakia and identifying as a “human being” instead of what he is, an American. He’s been a “student” at some Ivy League circlejerk for the better part of a decade. I think he’s 29, who the hell even cares? If he’s the future, this country’s digging its own grave and I’m glad I won’t be there when it finally kicks the bucket.

When I was his age, I was flying Ranger battalions into Grenada in ’83. I spent Thanksgiving there, and believe me, we didn’t have any damn printouts. We had a war, son. A lot of my buddies have similar situations in their families, and they’re always asking me for advice on how to put up with this left-wing propaganda. Well, I’ll give you a taste. He’s gonna be all like “you’re just giving ISIS what they want.” I’ll come back at him with something like: “You know, you raise an interesting point there, Brayden. I’ll tell you what, why don’t you invite one of your ISIS pals around the house and we’ll see how much he likes it when I slash his guts out with the turkey knife. You think that’s what he wants? They want us to crush them? Tell me something, how did you feel when your Little League team got mercy-ruled by those country boys in the district finals? Is that what you wanted? Were you just phoning it in for the “participant” trophy? Is that why you’re too afraid to shave that pathetic beard? Because that’s what ISIS wants? Am I othering you right now? Did I carpet bomb your safe space?

Maybe, just maybe, what ISIS really wants is a world with fewer people like me, who’ve looked evil in the eye and given a few titty-twisters in our day, and more people like the skinny jean cycle jockeys you pal around with at Yale, with your ska music and your websites and “fantasy” sports. Maybe what ISIS wants is your dental floss forearms that can barely hold a selfie stick, much less a BAR. Do those Vox cards have a talking point for that? Oh, really? Because I was under the impression that in A-m-e-r-i-c-a, the proper way to usher in the holiday season is with a stiff Rusty Nail, not a “dialogue” about small pox and genocide, unless you want to share your feelings about the mass murder ISIS wants to bring down on your ass? Is that a topic we can let marinate?

I bet you had to print out the lyrics to our national anthem when you went to sing it in the quad the night we elected President Hopey Change. No, you listen. You listen, Brayden. When’s the last time you got a blister on those hands? Don’t mention the time you tried eating the vegan hotdog at the WNBA game you made me take you to out of “fairness.” You didn’t even watch the game. You just tweeted about sexism on your iPad. You know, that little computer screen made by Apple, which last I checked was a corporation, Mr. Occupy. Don’t deny it, I was watching you. You only looked up when Taylor Swift came over the PA system. How do you think that made Brittney Griner feel? Remind me: What’s the name of the union for people who Twitter all day from an air conditioned office? Because I don’t think “amateur food photographer” counts as a real job.”

I plan to say this to the little pansy in a firm but slightly mocking tone as I pour another bourbon while eating processed turkey and holding a lit cigarette. Email me at rawdawg61@yahoo.com with any questions. Carpe cibum!

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 30, 2015, 10:07:27 PM

"Of course my uncle would never admit he's a christo-fascist. He calls himself a free market conservative. He doesn't use print outs since he watches foxnews all day for his talking points."  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on November 30, 2015, 11:22:13 PM

Quote

“Is the 2016 Election Truly Unprecedented? Sort Of.”—headline, Washington Post website, Nov. 25

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2015, 12:12:43 AM

I consider myself a knowledgable debater because I read up on the blogs and I’m typically one of the most “liked” commenters on the articles.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 01, 2015, 10:51:23 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2015, 12:12:43 AM

I consider myself a knowledgable masturbater because I read up on the blogs and I’m typically one of the most “liked” commenters on the articles.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 01, 2015, 11:39:37 AM

Great post A++ wow

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2015, 12:33:10 PM

 

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 01, 2015, 11:39:37 AM

Great poster AIA wow

 :PP

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 01, 2015, 12:33:14 PM

I just contributed financially to a political campaign for the first time as catharsis for terrible shit I read on my facebook.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2015, 01:05:23 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4174519.stm

Source:  The brits just got 30 Rock.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mupepe on December 01, 2015, 01:14:14 PM

oh god.  I was in the break room at work buying some shit off of newegg on my phone when a contractor that works here started talking to me.

Him: I don't get it.  All the branches have special forces.

Me: What?

Him: *Points to Fox News on the tv* All the branches have Special Forces.  Send them in, kill all the Islamists they can.  Get them out and bomb it to hell from a Navy ship.

Me: Oh.  I don't know.

Him: I don't get what's so hard.  It's what we used to do.

Me: *sigh* Everyone is just paranoid about getting sucked in long term by putting boots on the ground.

Him: What?  We used to do this all the time.  We don't even act like we have the greatest military anymore.  What's going on nowadays?  I don't get it.

Me: Yeah.  I don't get it either

I don't know why but the fact that this guys is a

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made the whole thing hilarious.  What a badass.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 01, 2015, 01:15:42 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 01, 2015, 11:39:37 AM

Great post A++ wow

We can't all compete with your standard shitposting sir. We can just try our best but since we don't suffer from the innate social failures you carry around like a bucket we must accept second best.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: tiesto on December 01, 2015, 01:22:37 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 01, 2015, 01:05:23 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4174519.stm

Source:  The brits just got 30 Rock.

Preliminary tests for this bomb were held adjacent to the data center where the Bore is hosted...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 01, 2015, 01:23:22 PM

Quote from: tiesto on December 01, 2015, 01:22:37 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 01, 2015, 01:05:23 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4174519.stm

Source:  The brits just got 30 Rock.

Preliminary tests for this bomb were held adjacent to the data center where the Bore is hosted...

LOL, now that shit is funny.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on December 01, 2015, 01:46:39 PM

Didn't the Sacred Band of Thebes suggest soldiers loving each other makes them harder to kill? You definitely see an element of homoeroticism in US military culture.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 01, 2015, 01:55:07 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on December 01, 2015, 01:46:39 PM

Didn't the Sacred Band of Thebes suggest soldiers loving each other makes them harder to kill? You definitely see an element of homoeroticism in US military culture.

Uh and where would that be?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brawndolicious on December 01, 2015, 01:59:14 PM

Movies.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 01, 2015, 02:02:56 PM

:lol was about to say, c'mon AiA, you're old enough to have seen top gun when it came out

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2015, 02:08:32 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on December 01, 2015, 01:14:14 PM

Send them in, kill all the Islamists they can.  Get them out and bomb it to hell from a Navy ship.
...
Him: I don't get what's so hard.  It's what we used to do.
...
Him: What?  We used to do this all the time.

When was this? Grenada?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 01, 2015, 02:39:36 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-resent-syrians-radicalization

"You bring a lot of people here from another culture and what they will tend to do is congregate together, that’s a natural thing, which makes them much easier targets for radicalization," Ben Carson said on Breitbart News Radio. "Particularly if you bring them into an environment where a lot of people are resentful of the fact that they are here. That’s just going to create incidents that will increase further the likelihood of radicalization."

That's some serious truth-talking right there, but I don't think he realizes just how incredible what he just said is.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2015, 02:47:53 PM

Trump da god, standing up to lieberal media, insulting losers  :rejoice

http://onpolitics.usatoday.com/2015/11/30/trump-mulls-debate-boycott-unless-cnn-donates-5m/

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Donald Trump proposed demanding $5 million from CNN in order for him to participate in the next Republican presidential debate during a rally in Macon, Ga. on Monday.

Trump felt the payment — which he promised to donate to “Wounded Warriors or the vets” — was in order because CNN “doesn’t treat me properly” and because he felt he was responsible for the high ratings CNN got during the GOP debate it hosted in September.

“CNN had 23 million people. It was the biggest show in the history of CNN,” Trump said. And the billionaire businessman is reopening negotiations over whether he will lend his star power to the debate the network is hosting Dec. 15.

“How about I tell CNN that I’m not gonna do the next debate?” Trump asked the crowd.

“I won’t do the debate unless they pay me $5 million, all of which money goes to the Wounded Warriors or to vets,” Trump said, following a segue into how people who are “really, really, really smart like I am,” don’t need teleprompters.

Trump was particularly stung by what he felt was unfair coverage of his closed-door meeting with African-American ministers earlier Monday.

Trump predicted the television pundits will call him “chicken” if he carries out his threat, but he attached little value to the opinions of the “talking heads, who are not smart people at all.”

“They call them elite,” Trump said. “My education is better than any of them. I’m smarter than they are.”

After saying that he didn’t want to point the finger at any specific pundits, he added:

“Guys like Karl Rove. He spends hundreds of millions of dollars on campaigns, he wins nothing. There are some people that are losers.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2015, 02:57:07 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on December 01, 2015, 02:02:56 PM

:lol was about to say, c'mon AiA, you're old enough to have seen top gun when it came out

50 Shades of Grey is basically a hetero remake of Full Metal Jacket.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2015, 04:13:41 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/671792600052027393

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Donald J. TrumpVerified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
Highly untalented Wash Post blogger, Jennifer Rubin, a real dummy, never writes fairly about me. Why does Wash Post have low IQ people?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2015, 04:22:29 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 01, 2015, 02:57:07 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on December 01, 2015, 02:02:56 PM

:lol was about to say, c'mon AiA, you're old enough to have seen top gun when it came out

50 Shades of Grey is basically a hetero remake of Full Metal Jacket.

Can't wait for the re-remake, 69 Shades of Ghey.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on December 01, 2015, 07:25:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Spel8He.png)

Had a good year, remembered my annual JayDubya abortion donation

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2015, 07:40:57 PM

Wait, if you donate enough does JayDubya get aborted? :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 01, 2015, 08:08:17 PM

Paying money to murder children; the free market is awesome.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2015, 08:36:24 PM

the invisible vacuum

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Brehvolution on December 01, 2015, 10:38:25 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on December 01, 2015, 07:25:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Spel8He.png)

Had a good year, remembered my annual JayDubya abortion donation

Jaydub: "Jokes on you, sociopath. Less than 3% of that will go toward abortion. Wait..."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 01, 2015, 11:51:55 PM

(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-12/1/22/enhanced/webdr06/enhanced-11347-1449028463-7.png)
 :doge
http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/fox-news-host-floats-new-muslim-smear-then-loses-it-on-twitt?utm_term=.wpRg3XKBg#.bmGVOjBrV

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 02, 2015, 12:12:34 AM

It's interesting being raised on the internet and experiencing all different sorts of trolls, flamers, board warriors, etc. and thinking these were only contained in small groups of internet hobbyists—and then seeing public figures exhibit the same traits on social media.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 02, 2015, 12:17:33 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 02, 2015, 12:12:34 AM

It's interesting being raised on the internet and experiencing all different sorts of trolls, flamers, board warriors, etc. and thinking these were only contained in small groups of internet hobbyists—and then seeing public figures exhibit the same traits on social media.

Douchebags douchebag no matter the medium.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 02, 2015, 12:36:23 AM

A person's amount of master's degrees certainly trumps the amount of 911 victims a person knows, logically.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 02, 2015, 09:27:19 AM

Though to be fair, it trumps almost everything. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2015, 09:34:22 AM

You also need to account for whether their IQ is over 160.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2015, 10:43:28 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/261757-trump-on-terrorists-you-have-to-take-out-their-families

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"I would do my best, absolute best – I mean one of the problems we have or one of the reasons we're so ineffective, you know, they're trying to, they're using them as shields. It's a horrible thing," the real estate tycoon said.

"But we're fighting a very politically correct war. And the other thing is with the terrorists, you have to take out their families," Trump said.

"When you get these terrorists, you have to take out their families. They care about their lives, don't kid yourself. But they say they don't care about their lives. You have to take out their families."

Comrade Trump will being back collective punishment like we had in the good ol' days.  :ussrcry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 02, 2015, 12:12:31 PM

Honestly he isn't wrong.  Didn't OBL have letters telling his kids not to become terrorists? 

Terrorism would stop if everyone just decided to give imperialism a chance again.  And I don't mean wussy 1910's onword British imperialism, since that was full of terrorists, like the irish, jews, and Gandhi.   

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on December 02, 2015, 03:17:35 PM

It was a joke, calm yourself bigot.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2015, 04:59:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3auKMHkZJnQ

Police/FBI investigated reports of 8 people allegedly celebrating on an alleged roof. President Trump confirmed, not a single pant left unjizzed at Breitbart. :lawd

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Dishonest left-wing outlets like MTV, National Journal and Mediaite are desperately spinning the revelation of these contemporaneous reports as proof  Trump lied. In a burst of Orwellian memory-holing, MTV even brought back one of the witnesses so she could recant her story 14 year later.

Nevertheless, all that spin cannot change the fact that news reports of American Muslims cheering the fall of the World Trade Center have been found.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 02, 2015, 05:05:51 PM

Oh okay well if they really cheered we should probably just glass the region and round up all the ones hiding in free countries

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: brob on December 02, 2015, 05:08:20 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

what if the muslims in new jersey were actually mossad :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 02, 2015, 05:39:52 PM

Quote from: Ben Carson on Today

Carson last week visited Jordan to tour Syrian refugee camps in an effort to bolster his foreign affairs credentials, something he has been criticized for lacking. Carson called the camps "really quite nice" and suggested they should serve as a long-term solution. On TODAY, he called the Jordanians "very generous people" who have set up camps and hospitals "that work very well" but just lack to the resources to support the efforts.

Quote from: Ben Carson writing for The Hill

Here is a picture of life in Azraq: The camp is a bleak expanse of row after row of white sheet metal shelters. There is no electricity or air conditioning or heat against the scalding desert summer temperatures or cold winds of winter. Lack of electricity adds further hardship, as people are forced to choose between having light to see their way to the bathroom at night (six shelters share one bathroom) and charging their cellphones, which connects them to family and the outside world.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/12/syrian-refugee-camps-really-quite-nice-or-brutal-hellhole-ben-carson-explains

 :idont

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2015, 07:04:28 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2015, 04:59:59 PM

Police/FBI investigated reports of 8 people allegedly celebrating on an alleged roof. President Trump confirmed, not a single pant left unjizzed at Breitbart. :lawd

http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/12/01/7-pieces-of-documentation-that-vindicate-trumps-claim-of-911-muslim-celebrations/

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This list has been updated from 7 to 9.

UPDATE: A just uncovered CBS News report about “swarms of suspects” cheering 9/11 from rooftops has validated Trump’s “thousands” claim.

Losers take on Trump at their own folly.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 02, 2015, 07:15:24 PM

http://video.vanityfair.com/watch/the-reagan-administration-s-chilling-response-to-the-aids-crisis

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2015, 08:34:41 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/top-fundraiser-quits-ben-carsons-campaign-amid-internal-strife-1449094732

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One of Ben Carson’s top fundraisers told the Republican presidential candidate on Wednesday that he is quitting the campaign after he was unable to orchestrate a shake-up of its senior staff.

Bill Millis, an heir to a High Point, N.C., sock-manufacturing fortune, told the retired neurosurgeon in an email Wednesday morning that he is leaving the campaign’s three-man board, Mr. Millis said in an interview. He still believes Mr. Carson would make the best president, he said, but is no longer confident the staff values his input.

“I disagree with the campaign, but I’m hoping and praying that the concerns I have are wrong,” Mr. Millis said. “I’m one, and they are the masses. And they decided to move forward with the campaign as is.”

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Mr. Millis said he first became disillusioned in late October when Mr. Giles, a Carson confidant since 1994 who was the chief executive of Mr. Carson’s pre-campaign apparatus, was forced out. Mr. Giles had personally hired Mr. Bennett and Ed Brookover, the chief strategist, among other senior officials, before leaving the campaign in May to launch a 501-C(4) organization to research and write Mr. Carson’s policy papers.

A Houston attorney with no prior political campaign experience, Mr. Giles spent the summer developing policy white papers. After a federally mandated 120-day “cooling off period” for campaign officials to coordinate with super PACs, Mr. Giles contacted the two major super PACs backing Mr. Carson and asked them to consolidate resources.

“Literally on the 121st day, Terry called me and said, ‘Let’s get together and figure out how we can work together,’ ” said John Philip Sousa IV, chairman of the 2016 Committee, one of the two leading pro-Carson super PACs.

But Mr. Giles’s efforts to get the super PACs to coordinate went for naught, Mr. Sousa said. “There are at this point not a lot of coordinated efforts between the two organizations,” Mr. Sousa said in an interview on Tuesday.

Mr. Giles then attempted a return to the campaign after severing his ties with the super PACs on Oct. 17. But the campaign’s leadership was no longer interested in his help. None of the policy papers Mr. Giles spent the summer preparing have been released.

“He had a disagreement with the campaign over priorities and messaging and who knows what else,” Mr. Sousa said. “It’s really a shame.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 01:22:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmKP80uMtwc

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 03, 2015, 01:32:12 AM

Quote from: brob on December 02, 2015, 05:08:20 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

what if the muslims in new jersey were actually mossad :doge

This is really worth reading. Pretty interesting little piece of history.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 03, 2015, 01:44:40 AM

Oh yay, after today I look forward to President Trump next year

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 03, 2015, 09:03:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GzGAW7k2V8

the ad

:lol :lol :lol

Having kids imply Hilary is going to bring world peace and end gun violence.  Also that its going to be hard being both a president and a grandmother :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2015, 09:23:19 AM

Come sit on Gram Gram Hillary's lap, Arvie.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Trent Dole on December 03, 2015, 01:51:59 PM

Oh Hillary, I'm not opposed to voting for you because you have a cunt, I'm opposed to voting for you because you ARE a cunt. Jesus. (less of one than the entire field of the opposing party, but still.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2015, 02:10:13 PM

man someone needs to put together a top 10 list of the worst online-only political ads of this year. That shit is trash.

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Post by: Steve Contra on December 03, 2015, 02:32:43 PM

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9843670/donald-trump-anti-semitic (http://www.vox.com/2015/12/3/9843670/donald-trump-anti-semitic)

Donald Trump, Republican Frontrunner

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 03, 2015, 02:42:30 PM

Meh that is not nearly bad as the other insensitive things he has done.  Definitely not anti-Semitic. 

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He stood in front of a pro-Israel crowd and told them Israel was (at least partially) to blame for the failure to come to terms with the Palestinians.

Well no shit.  If he has already told you he doesn't want your money, or votes I guess, he might as well tell the truth then. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on December 03, 2015, 02:56:39 PM

He's done worse things, sure, but not to a highly influential group of REPUBLICANS.  And yes, the old Jews are crafty negotiators is definitely time worn anti-semitism.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 03, 2015, 03:11:11 PM

Didn't you watch Gran Torino, Steve? That's just how friends talk to each other, you old...wait, what ethnicity are you again?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Steve Contra on December 03, 2015, 03:15:39 PM

The day after Thanksgiving my friend's (my friend is openly gay) dad was in town.  He started complaining about the Irish and the "Poles" like it was 1905, started ranting about the "Imperial Japanese" to a Korean girl who he thought was Japanese (his excuse was "you're so pretty I thought you were Japanese when she blew up on him), complimented her people for being good at golf (a stereotype only an old white guy would care about).  We bailed before he got on to the blacks and the Mandarks.  It was basically Trump's campaign in miniature.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2015, 03:21:26 PM

Hillary be all like

(http://i.imgur.com/FttMLmN.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Mandark on December 03, 2015, 03:27:50 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on December 03, 2015, 03:15:39 PM

started ranting about the "Imperial Japanese" to a Korean girl who he thought was Japanese (his excuse was "you're so pretty I thought you were Japanese when she blew up on him)

This is my favorite part.  "Sorry I assumed you were a different nationality, it's cause girls from your actual nationality usually aren't attractive!"  Smooth.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Tasty on December 03, 2015, 04:38:42 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2015, 03:21:26 PM

Hillary be all like

(http://i.imgur.com/FttMLmN.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-UuRijkChQ

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2015, 09:31:27 PM

http://thehill.com/opinion/ab-stoddard/261892-ab-stoddard-christie-campaign-a-winner

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Christie can't lose

By A.B. Stoddard - 12/02/15 07:33 PM EST

Nine months ago a savvy political junkie told me Chris Christie would soon announce a presidential campaign, simply because he had to.

Making our way through the nation’s capital, my cab driver made his case: running was the only way for the New Jersey governor to clean up his image and come out ahead. He didn’t have to win, or even come close, he just had to do well.

As the cabbie predicted, Christie joined the crowded field late, when most of the campaign money and talent was already spoken for. The result, two months before voting, is an indisputable improvement in his image.
Despite his baggage with the GOP base for embracing President Obama after Hurricane Sandy, his ethical cloud under Bridgegate and the nine downgrades that ratings agencies have handed down to New Jersey, Christie has grown as a candidate. He’s stood out in debates and come from the back of the pack to become a contender in New Hampshire in a year when that state’s primary is likely to matter more than the Iowa caucuses.

By any standard, Christie is doing well. His actual poll standing in New Hampshire is still quite low, but a surge is anticipated in light of his growing crowds and support from key Republicans in the state, along with the coveted endorsement of the conservative Union Leader newspaper. Christie has saturated the state not only with events — nearly 50 town halls in 50 days — but also with hours spent behind the scenes, which led to endorsements from more than 100 state leaders who say no other candidate has put in even close to as much time wooing key Republicans there as the two-term governor has.

...

Trump still maintains the lead in New Hampshire and every other state, and Christie has not been shy about criticizing him. While he has toned down his trademark blunt talk, what he still offers up seems far more civil and reasonable next to Trump’s controversial bombast. When asked about Trump’s trumped-up story about “thousands and thousands of Muslims celebrating” in Jersey City after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, Christie said point-blank this week that the real estate mogul’s statements are factually wrong: “I know it, and he knows it.”

Trump will surely target Christie soon, likely attacking him on his record. The Union Leader endorsement already prompted complaints that the admiring editors hadn’t bothered to study his record at home, according to an editorial in the Star-Ledger, which stated that lawmakers in New Jersey can no longer get their phone calls returned as Christie focuses on his campaign instead of his job. “This editorial confirms my worse [sic] fears about this presidential race,” wrote Tom Moran. “It’s all about performance, not substance.”

That may or may not be true, yet at this point my cabbie was right: The nomination, a Cabinet position or another great job await Christie if he keeps playing it smart. There doesn’t seem to be any downside.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 06:01:22 AM

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"Additionally we asked voters about an assault weapons ban and only 20% of Trump voters support it to 66% who are opposed. We then asked about a ban specifically on assault weapons for Muslims, and 56% of Trump voters support that to only 22% who are opposed."

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2015/12/trump-still-leads-in-nh-but-christie-rising-clintonsanders-closely-matched.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 10:34:45 AM

You assholes are never going to let this bullshit die, are you?


http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1149039


:snoop

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 11:16:39 AM

Get ready for JEBMENTIUM!!!!

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Voters will soon get 15 unfiltered minutes of the Jeb Bush story.

Right to Rise, the “super PAC” supporting Mr. Bush, has produced a 15-minute documentary featuring him and will release it online on Saturday and will later show it on television.

Mike Murphy, the super PAC’s executive director, briefed Bush donors on the video at a breakfast meeting in Washington on Thursday morning before the Republican Jewish Coalition’s annual gathering, at which Mr. Bush spoke. Right to Rise confirmed the group’s plans.

The documentary, which includes interviews with Mr. Bush and his wife, Columba, will talk about Mr. Bush’s record as the governor of Florida, as well as describe his vision for the future, including his plans to defeat the Islamic State and overhaul the federal government.

The plan is to air the spot in 30-minute blocks on the New England Sports Network, which would reach voters in New Hampshire — a crucial state for Mr. Bush, who has seen his poll numbers stagnate in the single digits. Voters in additional early primary states would also be targeted with the video digitally.

The documentary is the brainchild of Mr. Murphy, who produced a similar, 30-minute town hall-style infomercial for Meg Whitman’s unsuccessful bid for governor in California in 2010.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/03/bush-super-pac-to-tell-jebs-story-in-15-minute-documentary/ (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/03/bush-super-pac-to-tell-jebs-story-in-15-minute-documentary/)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2015, 11:42:25 AM

"The documentary is the brainchild of Mr. Murphy, who produced a similar, 30-minute town hall-style infomercial for Meg Whitman’s unsuccessful bid for governor in California in 2010."

Man I'm in the wrong profession. Milking money from donors in a presidential campaign seems like the GOAT hustle. Jeb! is around 5-8% in polls, ranging from fourth to sixth place. What better way to change that than an expensive 15 minute doc ad!

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Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 11:45:29 AM

On the regional sports network! In half hour chunks!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 11:56:58 AM

As a sort of historical note, this actually used to be very common and a primary form of candidate advertising. The most famous one probably being Reagan's A Time For Choosing in support of Goldwater.

EDIT: I put it in the spoiler.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXBswFfh6AY

[close]

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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:20:58 PM

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One of the two people accused of killing 14 at a holiday party in California apparently pledged allegiance to a leader of Islamic State militant group, according to numerous reports on Friday.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/san-bernardino-shooting-tashfeen-malik-isis-connection

Wrap it up, everyone. Trump wins! 2016-2024 should be very interesting, entertaining, and horrifying times.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 04, 2015, 12:21:49 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 04, 2015, 12:20:58 PM

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One of the two people accused of killing 14 at a holiday party in California apparently pledged allegiance to a leader of Islamic State militant group, according to numerous reports on Friday.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/04/san-bernardino-shooting-tashfeen-malik-isis-connection

Wrap it up, everyone. Trump wins! 2016-2024 should be very interesting, entertaining, and horrifying times.

If he wins I will gladly move to Canada and pledge my allegiance to Hockey, Maple Syrup, and Tim Hortons.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 02:07:44 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQaO5ZCwryI

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Post by: Shadow Mod on December 04, 2015, 03:35:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2015, 11:42:25 AM

"The documentary is the brainchild of Mr. Murphy, who produced a similar, 30-minute town hall-style infomercial for Meg Whitman’s unsuccessful bid for governor in California in 2010."

Man I'm in the wrong profession. Milking money from donors in a presidential campaign seems like the GOAT hustle. Jeb! is around 5-8% in polls, ranging from fourth to sixth place. What better way to change that than an expensive 15 minute doc ad!

I was talking with my a friend about this, how much money is raised and how you can pretty much half ass it and just keep whatever or use it to fund vacations for your fam while you "campaign." As sad as Jindal's running is you have to wonder how much he's banked  :doge.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2015, 03:58:14 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 11:16:39 AM

Get ready for JEBMENTIUM!!!!

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Voters will soon get 15 unfiltered minutes of the Jeb Bush story.

Right to Rise, the “super PAC” supporting Mr. Bush, has produced a 15-minute documentary featuring him and will release it online on Saturday and will later show it on television.

Mike Murphy, the super PAC’s executive director, briefed Bush donors on the video at a breakfast meeting in Washington on Thursday morning before the Republican Jewish Coalition’s annual gathering, at which Mr. Bush spoke. Right to Rise confirmed the group’s plans.

The documentary, which includes interviews with Mr. Bush and his wife, Columba, will talk about Mr. Bush’s record as the governor of Florida, as well as describe his vision for the future, including his plans to defeat the Islamic State and overhaul the federal government.

The plan is to air the spot in 30-minute blocks on the New England Sports Network, which would reach voters in New Hampshire — a crucial state for Mr. Bush, who has seen his poll numbers stagnate in the single digits. Voters in additional early primary states would also be targeted with the video digitally.

The documentary is the brainchild of Mr. Murphy, who produced a similar, 30-minute town hall-style infomercial for Meg Whitman’s unsuccessful bid for governor in California in 2010.

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/03/bush-super-pac-to-tell-jebs-story-in-15-minute-documentary/ (http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/12/03/bush-super-pac-to-tell-jebs-story-in-15-minute-documentary/)

You will be made to care.

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Post by: tiesto on December 04, 2015, 05:02:19 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on December 04, 2015, 11:51:42 AM

I guess if there was absolutely nothing on TV I might watch a 30 minute infomercial for a presidential candi... wait no, I still wouldn't.

This sounds awful, and I'm the kinda person who religiously watches Chrontendo, a youtube series where a guy with a monotone voice will discuss the most obscure Famicom mahjongg game in excruciating detail.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 04, 2015, 08:52:00 PM

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Jeb Bush is convincing donors the polls are wrong

Jeb Bush didn’t fix it. His attempted attacks on rivals have fallen flat. His $30 million in TV ads have failed to move his numbers. And now, with the Iowa caucuses less than two months away, he’s polling at a miserable 3 percent nationally.

But there’s one significant success that is keeping his campaign alive: Jeb Bush has convinced major GOP donors and supporters that the polls are wrong.

“I am like the Israelites following Moses, and I am not the only one,” said Mike Fernandez, the top donor to Bush’s super PAC, after a new CNN poll showed Bush an astounding 33 points behind the poll leader. “Unfortunately, it might not be that many of us.”

While rival campaigns boast that some Bush backers are making side bets on other candidates, hardly any Bush donors have publicly abandoned him — largely out of unwavering loyalty to an incomparable Republican dynasty and to a candidate many put on a pedestal in spite of his political shortcomings.

“Given the poll numbers currently, you would think there would be these massive defections from a campaign like this,” said Slater Bayliss, a Florida-based GOP operative and longtime Bush ally. “And the reason there haven’t been is Jeb Bush; because people believe he’s in it for the long haul and believe he’s a serious candidate — even in a cycle where serious doesn’t seem to be selling. They like him because he’s serious. Eventually, they think serious will sell.”

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The campaign is also now talking about South Carolina, which will factor more in Saturday’s presentation than it has in earlier donor presentations in Kennebunkport, Maine, (which focused on New Hampshire) and in Houston (which focused on Iowa). South Carolina, the campaign says, has been good to the Bush family and the candidate’s internal polling numbers there and in New Hampshire show he’s doing better, and he’s converting more undecided voters into campaign volunteers.

The campaign, though, would not share its data.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/jeb-bush-donors-polls-216436#ixzz3tPHjaTwy

sound familiar?  :doge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2015, 09:05:44 PM

If there is one thing Bush Republicans are good at, its ignoring data.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2015, 09:30:30 PM

Unskew the Jeb!

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Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 09:55:33 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on December 04, 2015, 03:37:46 PM

Karl Rove has added about zero value to the Republican Party since 2004, and I'm sure he still gets paid a shitload.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBQvXZSnua4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk

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Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2015, 10:04:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/bMNcBv2.jpg)

hehehehehehehehe

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 04, 2015, 10:08:34 PM

I switched to Fox News that night after it was clear that Romney had lost, great TV. :lawd

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 04, 2015, 10:35:14 PM

Soo...I'm getting a little scared that Trump is going to be my president.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2015, 10:58:24 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on December 04, 2015, 10:35:14 PM

Soo...I'm getting a little scared that Trump is going to be my president.

There is 0% chance that he wins in the general.

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Post by: brawndolicious on December 04, 2015, 11:33:29 PM

There's no chance he'll win the general, but he'll influence the discussion of what the next president's policies should focus on. Shifting the discussion to the right and all. Plus it's super embarrassing that we would let a guy like that be the second closest contender for commander-in-chief.

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Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2015, 11:35:01 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2015, 10:58:24 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on December 04, 2015, 10:35:14 PM

Soo...I'm getting a little scared that Trump is going to be my president.

There is 0% chance that he wins in the general.

I'd say there's a non-zero chance. Maybe like 5% depending on some crazy shit going down that increases xenophobia even more over the months until the election.

I'm still happy with my prediction, though:

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 03, 2015, 11:43:11 PM

Hillary Clinton is the next President of the United States.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 04, 2015, 11:51:01 PM

President Trump, let those words haunt you in your dreams. 

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Post by: Atramental on December 05, 2015, 12:02:17 AM

If (and that's a big IF) Trump becomes president I would be so done with this hot mess of a country.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 05, 2015, 12:07:55 AM

Benji, come get your boys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HeWcY5GVlQ

:beli

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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 05, 2015, 12:17:19 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 04, 2015, 10:58:24 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on December 04, 2015, 10:35:14 PM

Soo...I'm getting a little scared that Trump is going to be my president.

There is 0% chance that he wins in the general.

(http://lincolnliontales.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/26366-thumb.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 12:28:00 AM

Guy does a great Rand Paul voice impression.

Quote

Jabba the Trump's plan to build a Dyson Sphere around Naboo and make the Gungans pay for it

:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2015, 12:54:06 AM

I suppose there's a chance Trump wins if Hillary is arrested for e-treason in October 2016 but under normal circumstances he's not gonna win.

Imagine the down ballot wipeout that would happen with Trump at the top of the ticket. I simply don't believe he can win the nom.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 01:02:18 AM

Quote

A little while ago I went rug shopping. Four rugs were laid out on the floor and among them was one with a pink motif that was dazzlingly beautiful. It was complex and sophisticated. If you had asked me at that moment which rug I wanted, I would have said the pink one.

This conviction lasted about five minutes. But then my mentality flipped and I started asking some questions. Would the furniture go with this rug? Would this rug clash with the wall hangings? Would I get tired of its electric vibrancy?

Suddenly a subtler and more prosaic blue rug grabbed center stage. The rugs had not changed, but suddenly I wanted the blue rug. The pink rug had done an excellent job of being eye-popping on its own. The blue rug was doing an excellent job of being a rug I could enjoy living with.

For many Republicans, Donald Trump is their pink rug. He does the job that they want done at this moment. He reflects their disgust with the political establishment. He gives them the pleasurable sensation that somebody can come to Washington, kick some tail and shake things up.

But decision-making is a journey, not an early December snapshot. It goes in stages.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2015, 01:17:53 AM

Jeb really ties the room together.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2015, 02:06:54 AM

Jeb fixes the cable?

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Post by: tiesto on December 05, 2015, 02:13:06 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on December 04, 2015, 10:35:14 PM

Soo...I'm getting a little scared that Trump is going to be my president.

I'm much more scared of Rubio or Cruz becoming pres since that situation is at least slightly grounded in reality... What I think will happen is once Iowa/NH hit, all the hasbeens will drop out and then the majority of the party will rally under a single establishment candidate. Trump's numbers don't really seem to be going anywhere, he has his fanbase but it's not growing or shrinking. Someone who chooses Bush in the polls isn't gonna go for Trump when Bush inevitably drops out, they'll go for someone like Rubio. (the fivethirtyeight argument)

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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 05, 2015, 02:16:21 AM

We're already hearing the "moving to Canada" trope but I think as a progressive it would be more fun to live in Trump's America than Hillary's or even Obama's for the simple reason that it's easier to be completely 100% against everything that is going on at the White House then kind of/sort of for it/wishing it was more progressive/kind of disappointed/wondering if this is the best it will ever get.

In that respect the Right has had it really easy the last 7 years.

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Post by: Barry Egan on December 05, 2015, 12:31:28 PM

here's a 15 minute Jeb! bio in case you're out of ambien...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvpNa1-jIUo

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Post by: brob on December 05, 2015, 12:58:16 PM

https://vine.co/v/iWPBPK2UpgX  :( poor jeb!, he really doesn't seem prepared win any audience.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 01:21:57 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on December 05, 2015, 12:31:28 PM

here's a 15 minute Jeb! bio in case you're out of ambien...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvpNa1-jIUo

For more or to share with your friends, visit TheJebStory.com

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There is good news ahead for America. We just need a steady hand to lead us there. Someone who is used to making bold, courageous decisions. Someone who works toward fixing the problem before it becomes a crisis. This is The Jeb Story.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 02:19:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/VHnSfH8h.jpg)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2015, 03:16:48 PM

Right to rise sounds like a Viagra slogan. 

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2015, 03:26:12 PM

Right to Rise is the name of my Persona 4 cover band.

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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on December 05, 2015, 03:33:00 PM

'Right to Rise' sounds like a Skrewdriver album title

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Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2015, 03:34:12 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 05, 2015, 02:16:21 AM

We're already hearing the "moving to Canada" trope but I think as a progressive it would be more fun to live in Trump's America than Hillary's or even Obama's for the simple reason that it's easier to be completely 100% against everything that is going on at the White House then kind of/sort of for it/wishing it was more progressive/kind of disappointed/wondering if this is the best it will ever get.

In that respect the Right has had it really easy the last 7 years.

I'm a liberal who lived in the US during the Bush admin.  YMMV, but it wasn't that fun.

Not gonna talk that emigrant stuff, but a hypothetical Trump win would be hard to take, if only for the knowledge that so many people supported him.  Hell, I think he's going to crash and burn in the primaries, and it's still depressing how many people are backing him because of/in spite of his endless string of racist bullshit.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM

If Trump won the nomination but got completely beaten in the election, wouldn't that cause some major shifts in the republic party? 

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Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 03:38:58 PM

Trump is a liberal RINO.

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Post by: Trent Dole on December 05, 2015, 04:07:09 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM

If Trump won the nomination but got completely beaten in the election, wouldn't that cause some major shifts in the republic party?

No, no it would not.This has happened repeatedly. It would cause some talk of refocusing and rebranding for a short while and then they' be on to complaining about whoever is in charge if it's not one of them and railing against 'RINO' people who just aren't fascistic enough for the party's hardcore far right segment.

Quote from: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 03:38:58 PM

Trump is a liberal RINO.

His past lefty contributions do make his running a bit questionable. I know somebody who thinks he's a trojan horse/double agent sort of figure secretly out to make the Dems win.

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Post by: Mandark on December 05, 2015, 04:11:26 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 05, 2015, 03:38:10 PM

If Trump won the nomination but got completely beaten in the election, wouldn't that cause some major shifts in the republic party?

Changing this question from "Trump" to "any candidate with extreme positions/rhetoric," the answer is maybe but probably not.

Parties will shift to deal with changing demographics or popular attitudes about stuff, but most politicians in a party care primarily about their winning in their own districts, so there can be a conflict between local an national incentives.  The DLC was formed to move the Democratic Party to the center by Dem politicians who felt like the party's image was hurting their chances.  I don't see a feeling like that in the GOP yet.

After Romney lost, parts of the GOP leadership suggested dropping or softening opposition to gay rights and to immigration, since those were hurting them with growing parts of the electorate.  The immigration thing brought a big backlash (Rubio tried to put together a bipartisan reform bill and now has to campaign against it).  They didn't really do anything to change on gay marriage, but the issue was settled by the Supreme Court and they mostly seem happy to not talk about it.

Basically, the most obvious ways of attracting new voters involve alienating big chunks of the people who already vote for them.  Not so much a problem of the GOP as a reflection of where the country is right now socially.

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Post by: brawndolicious on December 05, 2015, 05:16:55 PM

Even if he fizzles out in the primary, Trump has had an enormous impact on this race, after 2016 I think his name will become a pejorative for politicians that try to grab the xenophobic, low hanging fruit.

I've probably said this in 2008 and 2012, but the party is going to be split based on agendas. You could say it's already happened with a dozen contenders in the Republican primary and the top polling candidates have usually been those with zero political experience (in the last couple months at least).

I'm wondering if Hillary would want to bet on waiting until after the 2020 census and the new district maps are drawn before aggressively pushing controversial legislation. It would be during her second term anyways.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2015, 07:41:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 05, 2015, 07:51:07 PM

Now try to pronounce it any other way

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2015, 09:58:48 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 05, 2015, 03:16:48 PM

Right to rise sounds like a Viagra slogan.

Or a Civil War DLC pack.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 05, 2015, 10:16:55 PM

Barring a Trump wipeout I don't see democrats taking the house until after the 2020 census/redistricting. Which means it's hard to see Hillary getting any of her liberal agenda passed. Imagine what the perception of Obama would be if dems did not control the house and senate for the first two years; he got some major legislation through (you can argue over whether it was good or meh legislation).

Republicans have no reason to stop being crazy short term. They have the house, senate, and multiple governor positions. All they need is the WH to really go crazy agenda wise. If they can ride the crazy to the WH next year or in 2020 the reward will be huge. Of course long term they're hurting themselves. It's like keeping a basketball team together for one more championship run and trading draft picks.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on December 06, 2015, 01:31:51 AM

Jokes's on you- the census happens in 2020, redistricting doesn't go into effect until 2022 elections, which are- stop me if you've heard this- a midterm election, which means no fairweather democrats will show up. Won't get better until 2024, which would require (hypothetically) Dems to hold the White House for 5 STRAIGHT ELECTIONS.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 07, 2015, 03:02:32 AM

Just saw the president's speech from earlier. His audience was so clearly the uneducated rabble rousers of the right, it's like he was trying to corral them in with the second half. It's sad we even have to remind people that Muslim-Americans are our friends, neighbors, sports heroes, and service members—not that I think he changed one mind.

I'm going to miss this guy. Perhaps not the most effective president ever, but damn what a genuinely smart and caring guy. He'll probably be relegated to the Carter-tier of presidents of history, but Carter had the most thoughtful foreign policy of any president in my opinion so that's not such a bad place.

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Post by: Sman on December 07, 2015, 03:18:53 AM

nm

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2015, 08:24:27 AM

How will Obama be regulated to the Carter tier given Obamacare and the improvement of the economy alone? Not to mention social changes which he may or may not deserve credit for, yet will from historians. He's got quite a handful of concrete accomplishments which can't be said of many post LBJ presidents.

Personally I don't think he was some great president but it seems to me that history is lined up to appreciate his terms, given where things are going socially and demographics wise.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2015, 03:01:14 PM

www.jebbush.com

:dead

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Post by: Steve Contra on December 07, 2015, 03:15:38 PM

So many Ls

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2015, 03:33:24 PM

I forgot which Borian said it first, but I agree folks will miss Obama pretty quickly. We either get a Bush redux (if a republican wins) or Hillary being bogged down by endless investigations, no major legislation/agenda items, and more hawkish foreign policy (if a dem wins). Imagine what the perception of Obama might be without 2009/2010's accomplishments. That could be Hillary's entire term(s).

BTW married Bore, you better start prepping your wives to become conservative talking heads. Don't make the mistake I made. I could have been a black conservative author/tv analyst/etc. I could have been somebody. But in one more year there will be no more need for black conservatives, and like the Wii they'll be put in the closet forever. Concerned conservative white women will be the new fad bros. I can see it now...Mrs. Contra on Fox asking why any woman needs contraception...or Mrs. The Business arguing single mothers should be worried more about getting married than Medicaid expansion.

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Post by: Mandark on December 07, 2015, 03:37:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2015, 08:24:27 AM

He's got quite a handful of concrete accomplishments which can't be said of many post LBJ presidents.

Can't be said of many pre-LBJ presidents either.

Obama's winding up as one of the best presidents of all time for the same reason Jay Culter's one of the best Bears QB's of all time.

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Post by: Steve Contra on December 07, 2015, 04:17:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on December 07, 2015, 03:37:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2015, 08:24:27 AM

He's got quite a handful of concrete accomplishments which can't be said of many post LBJ presidents.

Can't be said of many pre-LBJ presidents either.

Obama's winding up as one of the best presidents of all time for the same reason Jay Culter's one of the best Bears QB's of all time.

Does the Larry Bird rule apply if you're comparing a non-athlete to an athlete? 

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2015, 04:25:46 PM

That's brilliant, Mandark. I'll have to localize it in order to use it here, so Matt Stafford instead of Cutler.  :lol

comparing Obama to Cutler in Michigan would either get me daps or a beating.

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Post by: Shadow Mod on December 07, 2015, 04:45:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 07, 2015, 03:33:24 PM

I forgot which Borian said it first, but I agree folks will miss Obama pretty quickly. We either get a Bush redux (if a republican wins) or Hillary being bogged down by endless investigations, no major legislation/agenda items, and more hawkish foreign policy (if a dem wins). Imagine what the perception of Obama might be without 2009/2010's accomplishments. That could be Hillary's entire term(s).

BTW married Bore, you better start prepping your wives to become conservative talking heads. Don't make the mistake I made. I could have been a black conservative author/tv analyst/etc. I could have been somebody. But in one more year there will be no more need for black conservatives, and like the Wii they'll be put in the closet forever. Concerned conservative white women will be the new fad bros. I can see it now...Mrs. Contra on Fox asking why any woman needs contraception...or Mrs. The Business arguing single mothers should be worried more about getting married than Medicaid expansion.

Phyllis Schlafly is still alive and well.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2015, 06:54:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfzSlldIUHQ

 :whoo

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Post by: studyguy on December 07, 2015, 07:07:01 PM

I feel like that topic title is really lagging behind the times. How can we have a Jeb! title when Jeb doesn't even exist?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 07, 2015, 07:14:11 PM

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Warm Kisses and Tight Incentives
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 07, 2015, 07:14:57 PM

Also what does it mean for an American president to know the American people intimately? 

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 07, 2015, 08:04:33 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 07, 2015, 07:14:57 PM

Also what does it mean for an American president to know the American people intimately? 

Not be from Kenya.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 07, 2015, 08:09:48 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 07, 2015, 07:14:57 PM

Also what does it mean for an American president to know the American people intimately?

(http://cdn.niketalk.com/b/b6/b6bce135_bill-clinton-460_786386c.jpeg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Rufus on December 07, 2015, 08:31:21 PM

By some accounts Obama has fucked the nation. That's pretty intimate if you ask me.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Van Cruncheon on December 07, 2015, 09:40:46 PM

:doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Rufus on December 07, 2015, 10:56:56 PM

It's the best new emoticon, isn't it?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 08, 2015, 12:20:31 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plTRdGF-ycs

thats an awesome video. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on December 08, 2015, 04:58:27 AM

FINE I'LL GO TO MARS ALREADY, GEEZ

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 08, 2015, 09:33:42 AM

Think you mean go back, no?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 08, 2015, 04:03:58 PM

The GOP seems to think Trump has a decent chance of being the nominee:

Quote

Baker’s memo, titled “Observations on Donald Trump and 2016,” amounts to a clear-eyed approach to the Trump challenge, to which many Republican elites have responded with only hand-wringing and the vague hope that somehow, someday it will disappear. In fact, the memo posits that Trump could build a powerful enough coalition to win the general election. Regardless of how far Trump’s candidacy ultimately goes, the memo is evidence of the effect he has had on his party.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/private-memo-lays-out-how-the-gop-would-deal-with-trump-as-its-nominee/2015/12/02/78514cba-9909-11e5-94f0-9eeaff906ef3_story.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 08, 2015, 04:56:19 PM

It's less than 2 months until actual voting takes place, and 3 1/2 to 4 until the nomination is probably wrapped up by whoever. Trump has been in the lead pretty consistently since entering the race, so unless a bunch more candidates drop out and "not Trump" voters can consolidate behind one person, that's a pretty reasonable reaction to have at this point.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 08, 2015, 04:59:29 PM

I'm sure there will be some hanging chads in favor of Rubio in FLA.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 08, 2015, 05:44:07 PM

Radio this morning said something about Cruz passing him up. Would almost prefer Trump.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 01:36:17 AM

:paul

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/inside-the-sad-strange-family-feud-that-helped-sink-rand-pau

Quote

One day early in 2011, Ron met with Jesse Benton — the young political strategist he shared with his son — to break the news that he wasn’t going to run for president again. …

Benton was disappointed, but with Ron out of the picture, he decided it was time to start grooming Rand for a presidential run. He approached the younger Paul and pitched him on mounting an insurgent bid for the Republican nomination in 2012. He was adamant that Rand’s polish and pragmatism would make him a far more serious candidate than his dad ever was. Benton argued that, between the fiery base of supporters Ron had built up and the new voters Rand could attract, he would be a real threat to win the White House.

Rand ate it up. He told Benton to start putting out feelers for a 2012 bid, and the strategist moved quickly to schedule a trip to the early primary state of South Carolina. On March 23, 2011, Rand made a surprise appearance at the Charleston Meeting, a gathering of Palmetto State Republican elites, and news of the visit set off sirens in the political punditocracy. Rand fanned the speculation by announcing future trips to Iowa and New Hampshire as well. The buzz was building, the strategy was working, the wheels were in motion — and then, suddenly, it all came to a screeching halt.

A couple of days after Rand’s headline-grabbing South Carolina trip, Ron called up Benton. He had been giving some more thought to the idea of a 2012 presidential bid, and he’d changed his mind.

I’ve decided I’m going to run, Ron said. And I want you to manage my campaign.

Rand, it went without saying, would have to take a seat.

...

One of the most jarring episodes took place inside a green room at a 2012 Republican primary debate, when Sens. Jim DeMint and Lindsey Graham approached Ron and began effusively complimenting his son:

They gushed about how Rand was a joy to work with in the Senate, a real contributor, someone with whom they felt they could work productively despite their ideological differences.

Finally, Ron snapped, “Well, if he’s so great, he should run for president himself.”

DeMint was taken aback by the outburst and quickly shut up. But Graham didn’t seem to catch on, because he just kept spurting commendations for Rand in his courtly Southern drawl, as Ron’s face twisted into a cranky scowl.

...

After 2012, many in the Pauls’ concentric inner circles felt compelled to pick sides — with the more pragmatic political pros signing on with Rand, and the true-believing purists sticking with Ron. The two camps have spent much of the past three years bitterly feuding behind the scenes (and trying to knife each other in interviews for my book). But those closest to the family say Rand genuinely admires his father and is anxious to make him proud by building on his legacy. And Ron?

One senior staffer in Rand’s Senate office told me that after years of closely observing the dynamic between the two men, he was left stupefied by Ron’s antagonism toward his son’s career.

“He should be proud of Rand, but he’s not,” the staffer said. “It’s a really weird relationship.”

Graham :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 03:11:04 AM

http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002

Quote

Repeating identical comments he had made in June, July, August, September, and twice in November, increasingly nervous local man Aaron Howe responded to Donald Trump’s call to ban Muslims from entering the U.S. Monday by once again stating this would be the end of the Republican frontrunner’s campaign, sources confirmed. “Well, that’s it—you just can’t say those kinds of things and expect to be taken seriously any longer,”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Mupepe on December 09, 2015, 08:02:10 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 01:36:17 AM

:paul

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mckaycoppins/inside-the-sad-strange-family-feud-that-helped-sink-rand-pau

Quote

One day early in 2011, Ron met with Jesse Benton — the young political strategist he shared with his son — to break the news that he wasn’t going to run for president again. …

Benton was disappointed, but with Ron out of the picture, he decided it was time to start grooming Rand for a presidential run. He approached the younger Paul and pitched him on mounting an insurgent bid for the Republican nomination in 2012. He was adamant that Rand’s polish and pragmatism would make him a far more serious candidate than his dad ever was. Benton argued that, between the fiery base of supporters Ron had built up and the new voters Rand could attract, he would be a real threat to win the White House.

Rand ate it up. He told Benton to start putting out feelers for a 2012 bid, and the strategist moved quickly to schedule a trip to the early primary state of South Carolina. On March 23, 2011, Rand made a surprise appearance at the Charleston Meeting, a gathering of Palmetto State Republican elites, and news of the visit set off sirens in the political punditocracy. Rand fanned the speculation by announcing future trips to Iowa and New Hampshire as well. The buzz was building, the strategy was working, the wheels were in motion — and then, suddenly, it all came to a screeching halt.

A couple of days after Rand’s headline-grabbing South Carolina trip, Ron called up Benton. He had been giving some more thought to the idea of a 2012 presidential bid, and he’d changed his mind.

I’ve decided I’m going to run, Ron said. And I want you to manage my campaign.

Rand, it went without saying, would have to take a seat.

...

One of the most jarring episodes took place inside a green room at a 2012 Republican primary debate, when Sens. Jim DeMint and Lindsey Graham approached Ron and began effusively complimenting his son:

They gushed about how Rand was a joy to work with in the Senate, a real contributor, someone with whom they felt they could work productively despite their ideological differences.

Finally, Ron snapped, “Well, if he’s so great, he should run for president himself.”

DeMint was taken aback by the outburst and quickly shut up. But Graham didn’t seem to catch on, because he just kept spurting commendations for Rand in his courtly Southern drawl, as Ron’s face twisted into a cranky scowl.

...

After 2012, many in the Pauls’ concentric inner circles felt compelled to pick sides — with the more pragmatic political pros signing on with Rand, and the true-believing purists sticking with Ron. The two camps have spent much of the past three years bitterly feuding behind the scenes (and trying to knife each other in interviews for my book). But those closest to the family say Rand genuinely admires his father and is anxious to make him proud by building on his legacy. And Ron?

One senior staffer in Rand’s Senate office told me that after years of closely observing the dynamic between the two men, he was left stupefied by Ron’s antagonism toward his son’s career.

“He should be proud of Rand, but he’s not,” the staffer said. “It’s a really weird relationship.”

Graham :lol

My word!  A selfish Libertarian.  Who would have thought?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2015, 08:19:06 AM

A rationally self-interested Libertarian.   :wag

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 08:24:09 AM

Mandark, you just reminded me I need to go read all the comments on the various Paulite sites regarding this. There already was a good low level civil war going over exactly how much is Rand betraying his father.

Thanks, buddy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Mandark on December 09, 2015, 08:38:21 AM

I imagine Ron Paul in 2010 taking his son to a storage unit with stacks of bankers boxes, filled with draft legislation that never got to the House floor, Paul '08 bumper stickers, and back issues of newsletters that he denies authoring.

"One day, all this will be yours."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2015, 03:09:56 PM

Another satisfied customer.  :obama

(http://i.imgur.com/ZENc6KO.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yH8Ori8.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: benjipwns on December 09, 2015, 03:12:45 PM

But what about the cigarette carton prices?!?!?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2015, 03:13:37 PM

They're the lowest. :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Brehvolution on December 09, 2015, 05:54:16 PM

Just filled up the tank with some ethanol free premium at $2.71. :obama

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on December 09, 2015, 06:24:01 PM

This could have teeth



http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/taliban-5-bowe-bergdahl-congress-report/index.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2015, 07:37:26 PM

Two weeks is a pretty quick turnaround from "conservative 13 year old wunderkind!" to endorsing Bernie Sanders for President, but there you go. THE TRANSFORMATION IS COMPLETE.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cj-pearson-endorses-bernie-sanders

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2015, 07:55:30 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2015, 07:37:26 PM

Two weeks is a pretty quick turnaround from "conservative 13 year old wunderkind!" to endorsing Bernie Sanders for President, but there you go. THE TRANSFORMATION IS COMPLETE.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cj-pearson-endorses-bernie-sanders

Dude was complaining about big government just a few weeks ago.
:mindblown

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 09, 2015, 08:06:20 PM

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/458930580/rest-of-the-world-perplexed-that-climate-debate-continues-in-u-s

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 09, 2015, 08:07:19 PM

Care what a 13 yearold thinks about politics  :picard

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 09, 2015, 10:26:43 PM

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/09/459087477/the-tipping-point-most-americans-no-longer-are-middle-class

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2015, 11:56:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 09, 2015, 07:55:30 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 09, 2015, 07:37:26 PM

Two weeks is a pretty quick turnaround from "conservative 13 year old wunderkind!" to endorsing Bernie Sanders for President, but there you go. THE TRANSFORMATION IS COMPLETE.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cj-pearson-endorses-bernie-sanders

Dude was complaining about big government just a few weeks ago.
:mindblown

There's prolly some cute nerdy chick at school that's feelin' the bern, let the kid live.  :yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2015, 12:16:11 AM

http://gawker.com/erick-erickson-s-mom-denies-son-s-story-about-boycottin-1747101450

lmao, Erick Erickson is a fuckstick, so I laffed

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 10, 2015, 12:25:53 AM

 :cac

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Yeti on December 10, 2015, 12:50:43 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2015, 12:16:11 AM

http://gawker.com/erick-erickson-s-mom-denies-son-s-story-about-boycottin-1747101450

lmao, Erick Erickson is a fuckstick, so I laffed

Quote

Ms. Erickson: What do you think of Jesus Christ?

Gawker: What do I think of Jesus Christ? He is obviously an important figure in Christian theology.

Erickson: Jesus Christ is the Lord and Savior, Mr. Trotter. He is the King of Kings. And he is coming again. So I hope and pray that you are Christian, Mr. Trotter. I will add you to my prayer list. [Hangs up.]

She makes praying for someone sound so threatening.  :lol

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Post by: Rufus on December 10, 2015, 12:57:05 AM

Bless you, Yeti.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on December 10, 2015, 09:27:34 AM

Just saw Michelle Obama's "go to college" rap. The white house saying it's part of their plan to address the US's seriously falling college graduation rates.
 :neogaf
Yeah, I'm sure lack of a rap is main reason for that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 10, 2015, 05:00:26 PM

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151208182156-76-year-in-politics-2015-super-169.jpg

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 10, 2015, 05:10:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 10, 2015, 05:00:26 PM

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/151208182156-76-year-in-politics-2015-super-169.jpg

Marco Rubio looks mildly confused to have teleported in and somehow got 20 years younger and skinnier.

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Post by: brob on December 11, 2015, 12:18:51 AM

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/12/10/donald-trump-returns-accept-police-endorsement/Vi5wppfWNdqGB0bf75GVyJ/story.html

#BrandSynergy

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - China? China! China?! China.
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2015, 12:25:48 AM

Quote from: brob on December 11, 2015, 12:18:51 AM

http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/12/10/donald-trump-returns-accept-police-endorsement/Vi5wppfWNdqGB0bf75GVyJ/story.html

#BrandSynergy

Trump cancelled his trip to Israel though after Netanyahu was like "woah bro" at Trump's proposed Muslim ban. :lol For totally unrelated reasons, of course.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-says-hes-postponing-israel-trip-netanyahu-meeting-n477591

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Can't Stump the Trump
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 11, 2015, 10:33:33 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/republicans-brace-for-brokered-convention

An intriguing report Thursday in the Washington Post revealed that top Republicans leaders huddled at a restaurant in D.C. Monday night to scope out what to do if the GOP convention next summer ended up being contested convention.

With Donald Trump the commanding frontrunner now for months, it wasn't immediately clear why party leaders would be anticipating that the convention would be contested or deadlocked or anything other than a coronation of the new nominee. The scenario being laid out was more of how the party establishment would stop Trump on the convention floor.

"Several longtime power brokers argued that if the controversial billionaire storms through the primaries, the party’s establishment must lay the groundwork for a floor fight, in which the GOP’s mainstream wing could coalesce around an alternative," the Post's Robert Costa writes.

According to the Post, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) and RNC Chairman Reince Priebus dined with 20 party elites but said little during the meeting, although they "did acknowledge to the group that a deadlocked convention is indeed something the party should prepare for."

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-threatens-to-leave-gop-over-meeting-to-derail-trump

If Republican party bosses continue meeting to discuss how to derail Donald Trump at the convention, Trump won't be the only one to turn his back on the GOP. Now, retired neurosurgeon Ben Carson says he'll leave too.

"If this was the beginning of the plan to subvert the will of the voters and replace them with the will of the political elite, I assure you Donald Trump will not be the only one leaving the party," Carson said.

Remember when people thought there was no way that 2016 could be a bigger clown show than 2012? :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2015, 11:08:09 PM

I dunno, seems like this election could be more of a clusterfuck somehow...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/11/politics/donald-trump-tower-anonymous-hackers/index.html

Okay, now I'm ready for 2016.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Barry Egan on December 12, 2015, 12:43:09 PM

https://youtu.be/UqZ35R1Jdcg

:cac

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incom
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 12, 2015, 06:43:53 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on December 12, 2015, 06:28:19 PM

Jeb has a weak looking chest for a man with his frame. Dude should get on a bench press. I heard W used to bench 250 when he was in office.

well, he could lift that because he never had anything on his mind.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 06:48:01 PM

He lets the rest of his family do the heavy lifting.  He just carries Jesus every where he goes.  I'm not trying to...you know...I'm just explaining what its means to be him. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mupepe on December 12, 2015, 07:00:00 PM

250 ain't shit. Jeb is a weak ass bitch.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 12, 2015, 07:06:45 PM

Now Jeb is going to come to your house and kick your ass as X gon' give it ya plays in the background. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Trent Dole on December 12, 2015, 08:05:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXwg8nCsjcI

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 12, 2015, 08:42:59 PM

That should be the title track for Project Diva X.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 13, 2015, 12:24:35 AM

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/14/a-house-divided

Quote

The problem, in his view, was that the Party was “governing,” he said, adding air quotes to the word. “If people just want to ‘govern,’ which means bringing more government, they’re always going to choose the Democrat.”

The Modern GOP: If you want a government, choose the Democrat.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 13, 2015, 06:04:50 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/jrGHLtL.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 13, 2015, 06:10:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/FPB3CHm.png)


What is going on

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 13, 2015, 06:41:45 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on December 12, 2015, 08:05:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXwg8nCsjcI

Trump has really changed the way we discuss politics in America.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mandark on December 14, 2015, 12:46:54 AM

http://mradilbert.tumblr.com/

 :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: brob on December 14, 2015, 04:29:50 AM

he's been doing dumb stuff since forever, astroturfing about his comic and all sorts of dweeb shit, but he recently wrote a thing about how he could relate to dudes who join ISIS because if he 'wasn't getting any pussy he'd want to kill everyone too' or some such. fun to see it's not a recent schtick I suppose.

related: this tweet (https://twitter.com/fussybabybitch/status/674478988111163392) about Dilbert busting a nut in some babe

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Oblivion on December 14, 2015, 06:29:42 AM

I'm confused. Is that Dilbert tumblr thing a parody or not?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: VomKriege on December 14, 2015, 07:01:45 AM

"Taking the words of Scott Adams and combining them with the art of Scott Adams. This is a work of parody. Duh."

It works so great. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 11:55:30 AM

I love Dilbert :brazilcry

Scott Adams :beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: brob on December 14, 2015, 03:34:08 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 13, 2015, 06:10:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/FPB3CHm.png)


What is going on

I think Cruz is trying to lock in the ironic twitter vote

(http://i.imgur.com/ko6yL4N.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 05:26:47 PM

Just had a JayDubya tier constitution lover argue birthright citizenship should be shitcanned because the constitution is a living document and thus must adapt to changing times; this was a Facebook debate btw. I almost fell out my seat. After years of strict constructionism all it took was Trump (and brown babies) to change his mind.
 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 14, 2015, 05:43:06 PM

Latest national poll has Trump at 41% ahead of Cruz at 14%.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: doctavius bonbon on December 14, 2015, 05:49:38 PM

Electability issues aside, this is pretty cool. Six parts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCnrQZbqIQU&list=PLkRT6sInhvHVb96gl-uxn2LxBqEL4Iv9A

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: CatsCatsCats on December 14, 2015, 05:52:15 PM

If the right can take Trump seriously, the left can and should take Bernie seriously

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2015, 12:26:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 05:26:47 PM

Just had a JayDubya tier constitution lover argue birthright citizenship should be shitcanned because the constitution is a living document and thus must adapt to changing times; this was a Facebook debate btw. I almost fell out my seat. After years of strict constructionism all it took was Trump (and brown babies) to change his mind.

The people who've been crying bloody murder on "judicial activism" have been pretty quiet about the ACA challenges, affirmative action cases, Shelby County, etc.

It's almost as if nobody gives a shit about judicial philosophy, as long as it delivers the result you want.  See also: states rights.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 15, 2015, 12:30:23 AM

I only care about judicial philosophy; fuck the people it affects. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Shadow Mod on December 15, 2015, 12:31:17 AM

Quote from: Mandark on December 15, 2015, 12:26:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 05:26:47 PM

Just had a JayDubya tier constitution lover argue birthright citizenship should be shitcanned because the constitution is a living document and thus must adapt to changing times; this was a Facebook debate btw. I almost fell out my seat. After years of strict constructionism all it took was Trump (and brown babies) to change his mind.

The people who've been crying bloody murder on "judicial activism" have been pretty quiet about the ACA challenges, affirmative action cases, Shelby County, etc.

It's almost as if nobody gives a shit about judicial philosophy, as long as it delivers the result you want.  See also: states rights.

Is it all that surprising though.

You hear big gov crying until it involves investigating vaginas, the gays and brown people too.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:02:58 AM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on December 14, 2015, 04:57:48 AM

I love it when the creator of something popular turns out to be a creep or weirdo. This made my day.

Quote from: brob on December 14, 2015, 04:29:50 AM

he's been doing dumb stuff since forever, astroturfing about his comic and all sorts of dweeb shit, but he recently wrote a thing about how he could relate to dudes who join ISIS because if he 'wasn't getting any pussy he'd want to kill everyone too' or some such. fun to see it's not a recent schtick I suppose.

I've been fascinated by this Scott Adams stuff over the last year. The Dilbert Newsletter back when he wrote it regularly was basically nothing but this insanity.

The guy's first non-cartoon three books all go from being funny takes on life/workplaces/etc. to delve into intensely serious insane all-things explained by one theory in the final chapters. One of them even includes an "all purpose theory of comedy" and how to be funny.

In one of them he discusses perception extensively, explaining his belief in a separate form of creation where God evolved to create life on Earth or some shit AND that rationally it makes more sense for gravity to be explained as all things in the universe expanding. So when you jump, both you and the Earth expand to close the gap, you aren't actually falling.

He's been through about thirty five thousand diet cults, and once attempted to create and patent a burrito that contained all your daily nutrients and thus was all that you needed to eat. The increase in time saved would lead to massive worldwide efficiency and growth. And he was serious about it.

The Dilbert Future is nothing but nuts.

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Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:03:24 AM

This was a real thing:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/DilBeriTO.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:58:27 AM

Mandark,

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/kausfile

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2015, 09:25:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:03:24 AM

This was a real thing:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2b/DilBeriTO.jpg)

The concept is basically something a Dilbert character would come up with. It's as if the walls of engineering parody and reality have fallen down.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2015, 10:53:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/de5Vcml.jpg)

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Post by: Rufus on December 15, 2015, 10:58:24 AM

Cut from the same cloth, adorable.

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Post by: Brehvolution on December 15, 2015, 11:03:12 AM

Cruz flavour :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2015, 12:51:08 PM

Quote from: Mandark on December 15, 2015, 12:26:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 14, 2015, 05:26:47 PM

Just had a JayDubya tier constitution lover argue birthright citizenship should be shitcanned because the constitution is a living document and thus must adapt to changing times; this was a Facebook debate btw. I almost fell out my seat. After years of strict constructionism all it took was Trump (and brown babies) to change his mind.

The people who've been crying bloody murder on "judicial activism" have been pretty quiet about the ACA challenges, affirmative action cases, Shelby County, etc.

It's almost as if nobody gives a shit about judicial philosophy, as long as it delivers the result you want.  See also: states rights.

I'm used to the argument that the 14h amendment was never intended to provide birthright citizenship to the children of illegal immigrants; while I disagree, at least that's a consistent/understandable argument for a strict constructionist to make. But when I hear someone like that say living document, mere months after disparaging the term in regards to the SC gay marriage ruling (among other examples) I can't help but :kobeyuck

I should note this same person agreed with the court's ACA ruling, despite hating the ACA.

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Post by: Mandark on December 15, 2015, 04:43:55 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 15, 2015, 02:58:27 AM

Mandark,

http://www.buzzfeed.com/bensmith/kausfile

It's almost impressive how irrelevant Kaus is.  For being one of the first political bloggers and having one of the biggest platforms, he somehow never built an audience or had any sort of influence.  When he quit the Daily Caller, Salon's story (http://www.salon.com/2015/03/18/tucker_carlsons_ultimate_humiliation_corruption_journalism_a_flagrant_conflict_of_interest/) on it referred to him as "longtime internet user Mickey Kaus."

Also crazy is what he was getting paid there for a while.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2015, 08:58:54 PM

Ben Carson, ladies and gentlemen.  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2015, 11:18:35 PM

When we gonna get rid of this liberal RINO cuckservative Paul Ryan?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 16, 2015, 06:26:33 AM

Does Ted Cruz really have no idea what "carpet bomb" means, or does he keep misusing it because it polls well?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 16, 2015, 10:09:04 AM

Isn't carpet bombing a war crime?

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Post by: Brehvolution on December 16, 2015, 11:13:52 AM

I'd be surprised if we could carpet bomb given how weak our military is according to theses clowns.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 16, 2015, 11:35:49 AM

Carpeting is a little passé, can we not hardwood floor bomb them?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 16, 2015, 11:55:25 AM

Fuck it, might as well just Ikea bomb them.

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Post by: Broseidon on December 16, 2015, 01:44:15 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 16, 2015, 06:26:33 AM

Does Ted Cruz really have no idea what "carpet bomb" means, or does he keep misusing it because it polls well?

Well he seems to think every ISIS fighter lives in one giant tent city out in the desert miles from any civilian population centre so who knows.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 16, 2015, 03:19:21 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 16, 2015, 11:55:25 AM

Fuck it, might as well just Ikea bomb them.

You monster.

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Post by: Dickie Dee on December 16, 2015, 03:52:31 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 16, 2015, 11:55:25 AM

Fuck it, might as well just Ikea bomb them.

They'll know they're never safe. The sky may only look cloudy but it comes with the constant chance of meatballs.

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Post by: VomKriege on December 16, 2015, 04:42:19 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 16, 2015, 10:09:04 AM

Isn't carpet bombing a war crime?

It wasn't any of the last times it was used.
Its use probably wouldn't fly with public opinions and western militaries have pretty much dismissed it now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2015, 08:09:30 PM

Quote from: Mandark on December 15, 2015, 04:43:55 PM

"longtime internet user Mickey Kaus."

:dead

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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 17, 2015, 01:02:18 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on December 16, 2015, 04:42:19 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 16, 2015, 10:09:04 AM

Isn't carpet bombing a war crime?

It wasn't any of the last times it was used.
Its use probably wouldn't fly with public opinions and western militaries have pretty much dismissed it now.

The way he is saying it it isn't. LOAC prohibits targeting of non-combatants, but if you only carpet bomb IS then you're golden!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: VomKriege on December 17, 2015, 03:45:13 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 17, 2015, 01:02:18 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on December 16, 2015, 04:42:19 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 16, 2015, 10:09:04 AM

Isn't carpet bombing a war crime?

It wasn't any of the last times it was used.
Its use probably wouldn't fly with public opinions and western militaries have pretty much dismissed it now.

The way he is saying it it isn't. LOAC prohibits targeting of non-combatants, but if you only carpet bomb IS then you're golden!

I really doubt Cruz would force the implementation of a real carpet bombing campaign. He's just one upping everyone with forceful words he doesn't understand or doesn't mean.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mandark on December 17, 2015, 03:59:32 AM

Yeah, it's akin to Romney promising to "double Guantanamo" or measuring naval force by number of boats.  He's telling primary voters that he wants to devote more resources and use more force, but in a way that doesn't involve troops getting shot at, even if it's nonsensical when you parse it.

Part of me wonders how close a Cruz (or whoever on the GOP side) administration would be to their belligerent campaign rhetoric, and how much they'd be constrained by reality once they got into office.  Would rather it remain a hypothetical though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 05:05:26 AM

carly i can't hold all these L's.jpg

http://gawker.com/heres-carly-fiorina-bragging-about-a-maybe-classified-r-1748246045

Quote

In the midst of an incoherent and incorrect rant on the recent history of mobile technology, failed technology executive Carly Fiorina recounted an apparently true story about how she helped the NSA after 9/11. Actually, it turns out that story may have been classified.

“Soon after 9/11,” Fiorina said during Tuesday’s debate, “I got a phone call from the NSA. They needed help. I gave them help. I stopped a truck load of equipment and I had it turned around. It was escorted by the NSA into headquarters.”

The moral of this story was that the government doesn’t rely on private businesses enough. “We need the private sector’s help because government is not inovating,” Fiorina said. “Technology is running ahead by leaps and bound. The private sector will help, just as I helped after 9/11.”

Quote

Last month, Motherboard reported on leaked NSA documents that seemed to indicate this exchange was still under classification, and that the HP computers were put to use in the NSA’s warrantless wiretapping program, codenamed STELLARWIND. “We asked for computers, we got them,” Hayden said. “Were some of them used for STELLARWIND? Yes.”

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/carly-fiorina-may-have-revealed-state-secrets-by-bragging-about-helping-the-nsa


http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/carly-fiorina-digs-claim-generals-retirement-due-obama/story?id=35808113

Quote

GOP presidential candidate Carly Fiorina said she did not misspeak during Tuesday night’s debate when she said that Gen. Jack Keane retired early because he “told President Obama things that he didn’t want to hear.”

But Keane, who served during the Bush administration, retired before Obama became president.

Keane, now a FOX News contributor, came forward to say that Fiorina got the facts wrong surrounding his retirement.

“No, I have never spoken to the president,” Keane said on FOX News. “That's not accurate, and I never served this administration. I served the previous administration.”

When asked Wednesday if she misspoke, Fiorina dug in on the accuracy of her statement.

“No, I didn’t misspeak,” Fiorina told reporters today. “He has been someone of great experience who has been highly critical of the way this administration has not taken threats seriously and unfortunately he hasn't been listened to and I would listen to him.”

Fiorina referenced Keane in Tuesday night’s Republican debate as part of a group of a “warrior class” generals she pledged to bring back if elected as president to aid in the fight against ISIS.

“One of the things I would immediately do in addition to defeating them here at home is bring back the warrior class: Petraeus, McChrystal, Mattis, Keane, Flynn,” Fiorina said in the debate. “Every single one of these generals I know, every one was retired early because they told President Obama things that he didn't want to hear.”

But Keane is not the only general named by Fiorina whose retirement was not a direct result of any disagreements they may have had with the president.

Gen. David Petreaus’ retirement, for instance, followed revelations that he shared classified information with his biographer and alleged mistress.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal, on the other hand, retired soon after he was quoted directly criticizing the president and his policies in a “Rolling Stone” article. Though McChrystal did have disagreements with the president, it was the publicity of the discord -- and not the internal disagreements themselves -- that preceded his early retirement.

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Post by: Oblivion on December 17, 2015, 05:15:54 AM

Fiorina's doubling down on her comment on General Keane is the most quintessentially Republican thing I've ever witnessed.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2015, 08:48:58 AM

Bald faced lies are prerequisite to run for any GOP nomination. Doubling down on stupid, easily verifiable lies is borderline cliche at this point.

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Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2015, 10:16:02 AM

Another attack by fiscal conservatives http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/congress-spending-binge-tax-cuts-budget-deal-216883
Brownback would be proud.  :doge
Cut taxes to zero=infinite revenue

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2015, 11:28:02 AM

Pretty interesting that Fiorina's blatant lies and "gaffes" tend to be pounced on by the media, whereas Trump/Cruz/Rubio pretty much say anything without consequence.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2015, 12:05:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2015, 11:28:02 AM

Pretty interesting that Fiorina's blatant lies and "gaffes" tend to be pounced on by the media, whereas Trump/Cruz/Rubio pretty much say anything without consequence.

Yeah, but Obama lets his dog poop in the WHITE HOUSE and makes Michelle clean it up, so both sides do it.

(http://i.imgur.com/Y4Wy9r1.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2015, 12:21:00 PM

That's nothing, cheney shit on the whole country.

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Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2015, 01:01:52 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PKbBbWj.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Brehvolution on December 17, 2015, 01:47:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/LqBhg5U.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/UZjSyCJ.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 08:02:32 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWYlsFOU4AAOSYD.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 17, 2015, 08:22:19 PM

Ron Paul on Rand Paul is a disgusting thought. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 09:07:05 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/12/21/negotiating-the-whirlwind

Quote

In 2004, when Kerry lost the Presidential race to George W. Bush, who is widely considered the worst President of the modern era, he refused to challenge the results, despite his suspicion that in certain states, particularly Ohio, where the Electoral College count hinged, proxies for Bush had rigged many voting machines.

...

“For a long period, after 2004, every time he even half fell asleep all he saw was voting machines in the state of Ohio,” Mike Barnicle, a close friend of Kerry’s and a former columnist for the Boston Globe, told me.

...

I asked Kerry how long he carried around a sense of anger and resentment.

“I didn’t carry it,” he insisted. “I didn’t. I didn’t. My wife was mad at me that I didn’t carry it longer.”

From across the table, Teresa Heinz said, “I’m still carrying it.”

The Secretary of State looked up from his halibut. An ill wind of panic swept the oblong plain of his face. From the thick thatch of gray hair to the improbably long and thrusting chin, Kerry’s visage is immense and, in its implacable resting expression, resembles one of the monolithic heads that rise from the loam of Easter Island.

“Well, I’m not,” Kerry said.

His gaze turned to his wife, wordlessly imploring her to keep quiet. Heinz is seventy-seven, five years older than her husband, and, in 2013, she suffered a seizure that she has attributed to an earlier concussion “that was not properly treated at all.” It’s not easy for her to get around, and she appears infrequently at public events, but she spoke clearly and ardently throughout the evening, much as she had during the 2004 campaign.

She was not quite done. “I knew from looking at the . . .”

Kerry uses many terms of endearment for his wife; now he called her by the telegraphic “T.”

“T, let’s not go . . .” he said gently.

As she tried to speak again, he shut it down.

“T, T, we’re not . . . I didn’t want to spend time there,” he said. “I just consciously did not spend time there, and I moved on, and I moved on as rapidly as . . . It’s over. It’s behind me. . . . I could have done some things a little bit differently. We didn’t. But I’m not going to feel regret the rest of my life.”

:doge

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Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 09:08:17 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 17, 2015, 08:22:19 PM

Ron Paul on Rand Paul is a disgusting thought.

Maybe not young Ron:
(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ltbuisZchkrENUtbRQf8hQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1O3c9NjMw/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptusmlbexperts/ron_paul_congress_astros_76.jpg)
 :phil

houston astros, the gold standard of baseball

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 17, 2015, 09:15:53 PM

Diebold  :doge
Kenneth Blackwell  :doge
why do I remember these things  :doge
Blame Benji  :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 09:29:01 PM

Quote

When he’s on one of his diplomatic “death marches” through some rarely visited region—recently, it was five Central Asian nations in two days—he likes to bone up with a “crash course.”

“I usually Google a country, find an interesting article or two, read about it, get some history,” he told me. “I want to know where I am. I want to know what made this place like it is. What is it about Samarkand that’s special?”

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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 17, 2015, 11:57:40 PM

Kerry trying to make the Swift Boat idiocy go away by essentially ignoring it was a bigger reason for his loss, most likely.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on December 18, 2015, 12:25:58 AM

He might have lost because his campaign was terrible too.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 03:49:36 AM

Jeb's Miami debate watching party:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CWT_qB6WsAAtxG6.jpg:large)

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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 04:05:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/cxUkucR.png)

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Post by: Brehvolution on December 18, 2015, 09:03:10 AM

When you don't vet immigrants properly, you get people like cruz and rubio in your government.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Brehvolution on December 18, 2015, 10:01:36 AM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/c-span-caller-to-republican-david-brat-can-i-sht-in-your-mouth/

 :leon

Being a calvinist that brat is, would this caller have been sent by god?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 11:17:55 AM

Carson is supposedly down to 6% in a PPP national poll coming out today.

Let's have a moment of silence.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 11:28:27 AM

From PPP's Iowa poll:

Code: [Select]

Q44 Who do you have a higher opinion of: the author Stephen King or the Congressman Steve King?
Higher opinion of the author Stephen King ..... 50%
Higher opinion of the Congressman Steve King ..... 26%
Not sure ..... 24%

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Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 12:38:47 PM

GOP head-to-heads:

Quote

Q19 Who would you prefer as the Republican
candidate if you had to choose between just
Jeb Bush and Donald Trump?
Jeb Bush 34% .........................................................
Donald Trump 58% .................................................
Not sure 9% ..........................................................

Q20 Who would you prefer as the Republican
candidate if you had to choose between just
Ben Carson and Ted Cruz?
Ben Carson 26% .....................................................
Ted Cruz 58% .........................................................
Not sure 16% ..........................................................

Q21 Who would you prefer as the Republican
candidate if you had to choose between just
Ben Carson and Marco Rubio?
Ben Carson 39% .....................................................
Marco Rubio 46% ...................................................
Not sure 16% ..........................................................

Q22 Who would you prefer as the Republican
candidate if you had to choose between just
Ben Carson and Donald Trump?
Ben Carson 34% .....................................................
Donald Trump 57% .................................................
Not sure 9% ..........................................................

Q23 Who would you prefer as the Republican
candidate if you had to choose between just
Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio?
Ted Cruz 48% .........................................................
Marco Rubio 34% ...................................................
Not sure 19% ..........................................................

Q24 Who would you prefer as the Republican
candidate if you had to choose between just
Ted Cruz and Donald Trump?
Ted Cruz 44% .........................................................
Donald Trump 45% .................................................
Not sure 11% ..........................................................

Q25 Who would you prefer as the Republican
candidate if you had to choose between just
Marco Rubio and Donald Trump?
Marco Rubio 38% ...................................................
Donald Trump 54% .................................................
Not sure 8%

Quote

Q32 Would you support or oppose banning Muslims
from entering the United States?
54% Support banning Muslims from entering the
United States ..................................................
25% Oppose banning Muslims from entering the
United States ..................................................
Not sure 21%

Q35 Would you support or oppose creating a
national database of Muslims in the United
States?
46% Support a national database of Muslims in
the United States ............................................
37% Oppose a national database of Muslims in
the United States ............................................
Not sure 17% ..........................................................

Q36 Do you think the religion of Islam should be
legal or illegal in the United States?
53% Islam should be legal in the United States ......
26% Islam should be illegal in the United States ....
Not sure 21%

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 18, 2015, 01:05:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 18, 2015, 11:17:55 AM

Carson is supposedly down to 6% in a PPP national poll coming out today.

Let's have a moment of silence.

Not really that surprising. He came across as a Tea Party flavor-of-the-month desperation candidate that won a surge of momentum for one reason or another that was never going to be sustainable long-term. All those negative stories about his shaky backstory didn't help, but they really just sped up the inevitable.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 18, 2015, 01:44:28 PM

Carson reminds me of the 2012 republican candidates. He's finished, not that it matters to him. He'll make dough for the rest of his life giving speeches and writing books.

Sounds like Rubio is running a Gulianni type campaign: no focus on early states, little voter interaction, lots of media appearances as he awaits Florida's primary. Good luck with that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 18, 2015, 03:26:34 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/263713-poll-30-percent-of-republicans-want-to-bomb-country-from

stupid poll but worth it for the headline

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 18, 2015, 05:48:31 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on December 18, 2015, 03:26:34 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/263713-poll-30-percent-of-republicans-want-to-bomb-country-from

stupid poll but worth it for the headline

Is there some 30% deadender/support-whatever-the-fuck rule equivalent to the 80/20 Pareto principle? That was GWB's floor when it seemed the whole country had given up on him.

Think of the cliff the GOP has gone over and what it would take to still support them - lo and behold, ~30% can still swallow it and self-identify as Republicans. Now we see what 30% of that subset think. What would 30% of that further subset support?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 18, 2015, 05:55:41 PM

It's 27%

http://kfmonkey.blogspot.com/2005/10/lunch-discussions-145-crazification.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: toku on December 19, 2015, 03:19:37 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/v71Z852.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 19, 2015, 09:02:55 AM

Look at that dirty rascal maliciously accessing Hillary's voter information!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 19, 2015, 11:36:54 AM

The firewalls are down!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 19, 2015, 03:39:41 PM

It's interesting how Bernie's campaign was punished for VAN's error. They should be taking the hit, but since it's the only game in town for Democrat campaigns, there's nothing anyone can do.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Rufus on December 19, 2015, 04:20:12 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/12/18/another-clock-kid-family-outraged-as-12-year-old-sikh-boy-arrested-over-alleged-bomb-threat-at-tex-school/

Arrest a 12-year-old without notifying his parents.

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“Someone is trying to scare Dallas,” Mayor Mike Rawlings said in a news conference, according to NBC DFW. “And that’s not going to work.”

Seems to work exceedingly well.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2015, 08:18:04 PM

Rolled-up sleeves are the signal of an computer power user with elite skills.

Look at how he just discarded that mousepad with no cares.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Trent Dole on December 20, 2015, 04:18:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUGT30gGtiI

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2015, 07:48:38 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/bernie-sanders-refuses-flashy-abc-podium-favor-own-51845

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 21, 2015, 06:09:22 PM

(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/PMCMS/ystx-cpv3e6a5bbipnjrhq.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Oblivion on December 21, 2015, 06:14:15 PM

That poll is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Sure, it's nice that college educated Republican women have shown literally 0% support for Trump.

But that's completely nullified by their 63% support for Carson.  :beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2015, 07:13:02 PM

THE DREAM IS DEAD

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Senator Lindsey Graham is ending his presidential campaign, he told CNN during an exclusive interview airing Monday.

"I'm going to suspend my campaign. I'm not going to suspend my desire to help the country," the South Carolina senator said in a wide-ranging and candid discussion in which he acknowledged: "I've hit a wall here."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k44NsbT-Zw

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2015, 09:47:59 PM

There are at least five other candidates that could drop out today and nobody would even notice.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 22, 2015, 12:16:04 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on December 21, 2015, 06:14:15 PM

That poll is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Sure, it's nice that college educated Republican women have shown literally 0% support for Trump.

But that's completely nullified by their 63% support for Carson.  :beli

I don't have a lot of love for the GOP candidates, but Carson really rubs me the wrong way. With his phony humility combined with a stunning ignorance about foreign affairs, how could anyone support him other than from a purely opportunist Realpolitik stance?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2015, 12:22:16 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2015, 09:47:59 PM

There are at least five other candidates that could drop out today and nobody would even notice.

Gilmore, Pataki, Santorum, Huckabee... and Bush I guess?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 12:35:22 AM

Huckabee we'd notice probably because he'd be pestering Fox for his show back.

Carly we'd notice only because some idiot would make a big deal about how there's no women left in the field.

I'm shocked that people are dropping out at all. Just sit on your cash until after Iowa. It's a month long blitz from then through Super Tuesday and all of it is PR. If 2/3rds of the vote goes non-Trump, even piddly numbers of delegates will get you some endorsement leverage.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 12:35:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6U3lAWy9Cc

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 12:40:17 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 22, 2015, 12:16:04 AM

I don't have a lot of love for the GOP candidates, but Carson really rubs me the wrong way. With his phony humility combined with a stunning ignorance about foreign affairs, how could anyone support him other than from a purely opportunist Realpolitik stance?

I'll go out on a limb and suggest that your view is becoming more common:
(http://i.imgur.com/oIumpSJ.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 02:20:07 AM

(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2015-12/21/12/enhanced/webdr12/enhanced-21178-1450718299-1.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: brawndolicious on December 22, 2015, 04:23:57 AM

Trump's spikes seemed to happen during Bush and Carson's drops and they don't have much in common with each other whether you're looking at education, personality, anything. Now there's 5 weeks to go and Trump has been in the lead since August. It does look like Trump will win some states like Iowa before the rest of the Republicans coalesce around a less radical candidate but that will be a drawn out battle. And I'm thinking it's good to be prepared for the reality that Trump might be nominated.

Quote from: Samson Manhug on December 22, 2015, 12:16:04 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on December 21, 2015, 06:14:15 PM

That poll is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Sure, it's nice that college educated Republican women have shown literally 0% support for Trump.

But that's completely nullified by their 63% support for Carson.  :beli

I don't have a lot of love for the GOP candidates, but Carson really rubs me the wrong way. With his phony humility combined with a stunning ignorance about foreign affairs, how could anyone support him other than from a purely opportunist Realpolitik stance?

Doesn't he have the most individual donors of the Republican field? Maybe there's a lot of old people who love their doctors. He and Cruz are probably the most well-educated candidates but I don't think that matters much, most Republicans are probably resigned to the fact that this election is about how well they fail.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on December 22, 2015, 04:46:35 AM

The NY Times had a great article  (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/20/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign-lags-in-mobilizing-iowa-caucus-voters.html?_r=0)about how even though Trump was polling extremely well in Iowa, he's lagging far behind in organization and campaign infrastructure to most of his rivals in that state. Being that its a caucus, organizing for turnout is really key there (upstarts do great there, due to their policy, but also because they burn the most shoe leather).

It doesn't seem crazy to me that Cruz can win Iowa, which at least would put a dent in the air of inevitability that seems to be around future President Trump as of now. Donnie will definetly crush South Carolina though and probably New Hampshire as well.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 22, 2015, 07:22:17 AM

Cruz rise continues (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/images/polling/us/us12222015_Uhkm63g.pdf):

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Quinnipiac University National poll released today. Trump has 28 percent of the GOP pack, with Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas at 24 percent. Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida has 12 percent and Dr. Ben Carson has 10 percent, the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University Poll finds. No other candidate tops 6 percent with 8 percent undecided.

Last poll was 27% Trump - 17% Rubio - 16% Carson - 16% Cruz

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Among Republicans, 28 percent of voters say they “would definitely not support” Trump, with 24 percent who would not back Bush.

Only 23 percent of all voters would be proud to have Trump as president. 50 percent would be embarrassed. [73% of 18-34]

If Clinton is elected, 33 percent of all voters would be proud and 35 percent would be embarrassed

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2015, 11:41:35 AM

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    Standing before a crowd of 7,500, Trump recounted how Clinton was seconds late to the Democratic debate stage on Saturday night following a commercial break. Trump asked the crowd four times where Clinton had gone.

    "I know where she went -- it's disgusting, I don't want to talk about it," Trump said, screwing up his face, as the crowd laughed and cheered. "No, it's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/21/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-disgusting-for-using-the-restroom-during-a-debate/?postshare=1511450752087649&tid=ss_tw

what the fuck :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 22, 2015, 01:05:26 PM

The comments for this one...

http://www.wsj.com/articles/lets-elect-hillary-now-1450742854

:lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2015, 01:16:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2015, 11:41:35 AM

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    Standing before a crowd of 7,500, Trump recounted how Clinton was seconds late to the Democratic debate stage on Saturday night following a commercial break. Trump asked the crowd four times where Clinton had gone.

    "I know where she went -- it's disgusting, I don't want to talk about it," Trump said, screwing up his face, as the crowd laughed and cheered. "No, it's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/21/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-disgusting-for-using-the-restroom-during-a-debate/?postshare=1511450752087649&tid=ss_tw

what the fuck :lol

Who's worse? Trump for running his campaign like a twelve year old or the people who cheer and applaud someone running their campaign like a twelve year old?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Barraco Barner on December 22, 2015, 02:03:46 PM

I thought this quote from the WP article was more lol

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"She was favored to win, and she got schlonged," Trump said, turning a vulgar noun for a large penis into a verb.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 23, 2015, 10:40:52 AM

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/inslee-error-releases-inmates-early-since-2002/

lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: tiesto on December 24, 2015, 10:48:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 22, 2015, 11:41:35 AM

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    Standing before a crowd of 7,500, Trump recounted how Clinton was seconds late to the Democratic debate stage on Saturday night following a commercial break. Trump asked the crowd four times where Clinton had gone.

    "I know where she went -- it's disgusting, I don't want to talk about it," Trump said, screwing up his face, as the crowd laughed and cheered. "No, it's too disgusting. Don't say it, it's disgusting."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/12/21/donald-trump-calls-hillary-clinton-disgusting-for-using-the-restroom-during-a-debate/?postshare=1511450752087649&tid=ss_tw

what the fuck :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzG9oSNIyGE

Trump just got Berned!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 24, 2015, 02:23:03 PM

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-kentucky-kim-davis-20151223-story.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 24, 2015, 02:28:09 PM

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Among his other executive orders, Bevin suspended an executive order that automatically restored the right to vote to most nonviolent felons who have served out their sentences — a pool that potentially included thousands.

Because of course he did.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 01:30:36 AM

Quote from: Karl Rove in WSJ

Mele Kalik-Baracka
President Obama jets to a Hawaiian holiday, while the world unravels.

Before leaving for his annual Hawaiian Christmas vacation, President Obama found an odd way to wish Americans “Mele Kalikimaka!” In an interview with National Public Radio, he discussed Islamic State, also known as ISIS. While admitting that “they can hurt our people and our families,” the president once again played down the terrorist threat.

“It is also important for us to keep things in perspective,” Mr. Obama told NPR’s Steve Inskeep. “This is not an organization that can destroy the United States. This is a not a huge industrial power that can pose great risks to us institutionally or in a systematic way.”

Furthermore, he said, “the strength of the United States and its allies are not threatened.” He then compared Islamic State to al Qaeda, which he said “was able to carry out one spectacular attack,” but “at no point was there ever a sense that in fact it could do catastrophic damage to us.”

Mr. Obama should try telling the families of the nearly 3,000 people killed on 9/11, and the Americans who saw two great buildings topple, that al Qaeda’s attacks that day were not “catastrophic.”

Not only was the statement tone-deaf, the president’s description of Islamic State reveals his terribly shortsighted vision. This is something you might expect from a man who, just last year, referred to ISIS as the “jayvee team,” and who, the day before the Paris massacres, said the group was “contained.”

ISIS has already destabilized the Middle East, drawing Iraq deeper into Iran’s orbit and giving Russia an opening to return to the region from which it was ejected in 1973. Because of the threat posed by Islamic State, the U.S. is no longer actively pressing for the ouster of the Syrian dictator Bashar Assad. Instead, America is seeking to cooperate with Russia. Neither is in the long-term interest of the U.S. and the West.

Islamic State’s actions have already resulted in a flow of more than a million refugees to Europe, straining relations among the continent’s governments and fueling the growth of right-wing populist political parties. Russia’s president, Vladimir Putin, has exploited this, having begun long ago to foster closer relations with European right-wing parties like France’s National Front. That’s because Mr. Putin is playing chess, working to bring about NATO’s demise and restore a buffer of subservient European puppet states, while Mr. Obama is playing checkers, apparently content to keep things patched together until he leaves office.

At the same time, ISIS is creating a zone of instability from the Strait of Gibraltar to Central Asia. This could result in the creation of radical Islamic terror states along the southern Mediterranean and the overthrow of the Western-oriented Egyptian regime, both of which would directly harm U.S. interests.

This same volatility could threaten Israel; undermine our Saudi, Jordanian, and Gulf state allies; and help return the Taliban to power in Afghanistan. It could topple the government of nuclear-armed Pakistan. Radicalization could destabilize the peaceful, largely Western-oriented Muslim nation of Indonesia. The Obama administration seems clueless about ISIS’ catastrophic potential and has no long-term strategy to bend events to America’s benefit.

President Harry Truman, by contrast, thought decades ahead. The haberdasher from Missouri reformed the government to meet new challenges after World War II and created international structures that helped contain America’s adversaries and win the Cold War. Mr. Obama’s vision is limited to the coming months, to the next quarter, to the end of his term. Whenever events undermine his view of the world, he has the habit of retreating to an alternate reality. Mr. Obama is a man with an uncommonly rigid, anti-empirical mind.

We’ve seen this manifest itself in areas other than foreign policy—for example, in his refusal to address the entitlement and debt crises.

Because of an aging population, the trust funds for Social Security and the hospital portion of Medicare will both run out of money within 20 years. The nation’s public debt, equal to 41% of GDP in 2008, now stands at 74%. Yet Mr. Obama is acting as if we’re in the middle part of the last century, with plenty of time before disaster hits. He is not bothered by inconvenient truths. Don’t worry, be happy.

For a man who thinks he’s always the smartest person in the room, Mr. Obama has shown himself remarkably astigmatic about our national interests, always behind the curve. Because of his lack of vision, the mop-up operation his successor will face is unlike any in living memory.

This is why we shouldn't elect foreigners from Hawai'i as American Presidents.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2015, 02:10:11 AM

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Donald Trump will ring in the new year with Fox News, the network announced on Tuesday.

Trump will be live from Florida during the 11 p.m. on New Year's Eve, helping hosts Kimberly Guilfoyle and Eric Bolling count down to 2016. Trump owns the Mar-A-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Brehvolution on December 25, 2015, 09:20:36 PM

That rove sore loser screed  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 25, 2015, 10:15:30 PM

I love how deeply rooted that attack is in far right bullshit a lot of people don't care about or never heard of. Specifically the "Obama the anti-emperialist" stuff, which will never stop making me laugh.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mandark on December 25, 2015, 10:38:56 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 25, 2015, 10:15:30 PM

I love how deeply rooted that attack is in far right bullshit a lot of people don't care about or never heard of. Specifically the "Obama the anti-emperialist" stuff, which will never stop making me laugh.

Actually in this one Rove's calling him "anti-empirical," ie too bound to his abstract conception of the world to be deterred by facts on the ground.  The jokes make themselves.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 25, 2015, 11:06:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SaPcp4PGdU

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 25, 2015, 11:34:27 PM

Quote from: Mandark on December 25, 2015, 10:38:56 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 25, 2015, 10:15:30 PM

I love how deeply rooted that attack is in far right bullshit a lot of people don't care about or never heard of. Specifically the "Obama the anti-emperialist" stuff, which will never stop making me laugh.

Actually in this one Rove's calling him "anti-empirical," ie too bound to his abstract conception of the world to be deterred by facts on the ground.  The jokes make themselves.

Yeah, but Putin's playing shirtless chess and Obama is playing mom jeans checkers.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mandark on December 26, 2015, 01:32:45 AM

Did we ever talk about the Paris Agreement on here?  Seems like that might be kind of a big deal.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 26, 2015, 02:46:07 AM

It's cool, President Trump will save us from that shit in early 2017

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 26, 2015, 09:07:55 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on December 25, 2015, 09:20:36 PM

That rove sore loser screed  :lol

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 25, 2015, 10:15:30 PM

I love how deeply rooted that attack is in far right bullshit a lot of people don't care about or never heard of. Specifically the "Obama the anti-emperialist" stuff, which will never stop making me laugh.

President Harry Truman [a Democrat of all people - ed], by contrast, thought decades ahead.

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that one's for long time internet user Mickey Kaus

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 26, 2015, 11:42:38 AM

That Truman line is one of those things you kinda learn not to do around Mandark and other people because you can't answer the inevitable "like what? Give an example" retort.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2015, 04:18:45 AM

add Jim Webb (who killed a man) to title plz
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-12-26/webb-attacks-clinton-with-eye-on-independent-run

http://www.facebook.com/IHeardMyCountryCalling/photos/a.240139606175966.1073741828.232634213593172/421407398049185/

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Our next commander in chief must define a strategic vision for the country and accept accountability for past actions. Hillary Clinton should be called to account for her inept leadership that brought about the chaos in Libya, and the power vacuums that resulted in the rest of the region. She’ll need better answers than the recent nonsensical comment that she advocated taking out Muammar Qadaffi in Libya in order to avert a situation like Syria. The predictable chaos in Libya was bad enough, but it also helped bring about the disaster in Syria. Who is taking her to task for this?

dat facebook user name

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 27, 2015, 06:31:49 AM

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2015/12/26/exclusive-trey-gowdy-to-campaign-for-marco-rubio-n2097243

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Townhall has confirmed rumors that Rep. Trey Gowdy -- widely admired as a principled fighter among many grassroots conservatives -- will join Sen. Marco Rubio on the campaign trail in Iowa next week

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXLMXTsWMAA-ZVO.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2015, 12:30:59 PM

Widely admired among grass roots activists? He's the guy who dropped the ball on a slam dunk case and let Hillary walk.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 27, 2015, 01:28:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 27, 2015, 12:30:59 PM

Widely admired among grass roots activists? He's the guy who dropped the ball on a slam dunk case and let Hillary walk.  :doge

To be fair, he was the best the GOP had.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2015, 02:15:21 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/26/its-time-to-rally-around-donald-trump/

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Brent Bozell has called on conservatives to rally around Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% for the Republican presidential nomination. Ted Cruz is a good man and a fine candidate — my own second choice — but I believe GOP frontrunner Donald Trump is the candidate for American patriots to rally around.

Bozell states that Cruz is the one candidate who will return the United States to “her Constitutional foundations and Judeo-Christian values,” explaining:

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On every issue of crucial importance to conservatives—defunding Planned Parenthood, ending the Obamacare nightmare, reducing the size of government, opposing amnesty—Cruz is not only with conservatives, he’s led the fight for conservatives.

To be honest, if these were the only issues under discussion in this GOP presidential primary season I would hardly be able to make myself pay attention. It’s not that they are unimportant issues. Personally, I support every one of them. But they are not existential issues. They are not the issues on which the very future of the Republic hangs. They are issues that a responsible Republican House and Senate, if they were loyal to their oath and to their constituents, could today begin to rectify all by themselves.

If they did — or if, say, a President Cruz were to ensure that Planned Parenthood was defunded, Obamacare ended, government trimmed, and amnesty once again staved off for another election cycle — we would all rejoice. However, the Constitution, the Republic, would be no more secure. On the contrary, they would still teeter on the edge of extinction, lost in a demographic, political, and cultural transformation that our fathers, founding and otherwise, would find inconceivable — and particularly if they ever found out that the crisis took hold when We the People lost our nerve even to talk about immigration and Islam.

It is in this danger zone of lost nerve and the vanishing nation-state where the extraordinary presidential candidacy of Donald Trump began. Like the nation-state itself, it started with the concept of a border, when Donald Trump told us he wanted to build a wall. Circa 21st-century-America, that took a lot of nerve.

After all, Americans don’t have walls. We don’t even have a border. We have “border surges,” and “unaccompanied alien minors.” We have “sanctuary cities,” and a continuous government raid on our own pocketbooks to pay for what amounts to our own invasion. That’s not even counting the attendant pathologies, burdens, and immeasurable cultural dislocation that comes about when “no one speaks English anymore.” A wall, the man says?

The enthusiasm real people (as opposed to media and #GOPSmartSet) have shown for Trump and his paradigm-shattering wall is something new and exciting on the political scene. So is the “yuge” sigh of relief. Someone sees the nation bleeding out and wants to stanch the flow. Yes, we can (build a wall). From that day forward, it has been Trump, dominating the GOP primary process and setting all of the potentially restorative points of the agenda, compelling the other candidates to address them, and the MSM, too. Blasting through hard, dense layers of “political correctness” with plain talk that shocks, Trump has set in motion very rusty wheels of reality-based thinking, beginning a long-overdue honest-to-goodness public debate about the future of America — or, better, whether there will be a future for America. That debate starts at the border, too.

A well-defended border is an obvious requisite for any nation-state. It bears noting, however, that before Donald Trump, not one commander in chief, and (aside from former Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-CO), not one figure of national fame and repute I can think of had ever put it to the people of this land that a wall was a way to stop our border crisis: the unceasing flow into the nation of illegal masses of mainly Spanish-speaking aliens, among them terrorists, criminals (yes, including rapists and murderers) and transnational gangs. On the contrary, crime and chaos at the U.S. non-border are what every branch and bureaucracy of our government expect We, the People to accept as normal — and pay for as good citizens.

But good citizens of what — the world?

For many decades, the unspoken answer  to this inconceivable question (inconceivable, that is, before Trump) has been yes. “We Are the World” has been the USA’s unofficial anthem, the political muzak of our times that we either hum along to, or accept in teeth-gritted silence for fear of censure (or cancelled party invitations). “Openness,” “multiculturalism,” “globalism” — all have been pounded into us for so long that I think Americans despaired of ever hearing anyone give voice again to a patriotic vision of American interests. Then Trump came along and changed the tune. Americans perked up their ears. Maybe a wall — which is just the beginning of Trump’s detailed immigration policy, which Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)80% calls “exactly the plan America needs” — would make America possible again. That would be great, indeed.

Does Trump see it all this way, or is he going on “feel”? I don’t claim to know, although by this time in the political season, I think I am beginning to get a sense of Trump. When it comes to what is important, beginning with immigration, Trump’s instincts are as formidable as his courage. Notwithstanding Cruz and his consistent conservatism (in which Bozell places great stock), immigration wouldn’t even be a campaign issue without Donald Trump. In my opinion, the Trump plan is absoutely essential to any possible return, as Bozell puts it, to America’s constitutional foundations and Judeo-Christian principles. I actually think of it as our last shot.

In the meantime, Trump continues to catapult issues, one after another, into the heart of the multicultural/universalist narrative that long ago marginalized the very idea of American interests. His judiciously sensible, also unprecedented, call for a moratorium on Muslim immigration following the San Bernardino jihad attacks is a perfect example. Citing polling commissioned by the Center for Security Policy that reveals shockingly high support among Muslims in America for 1) violent jihad in America — 25 percent believe it is justified, and 2) sharia law in America — 51 percent believe they should have the choice of being governed here by Islamic law (sharia), Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the United States “until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on.”

As Trump makes clear, our country’s representatives have no clue. Worse, they seem content to remain in ignorance no matter how many Americans die, no matter how far sharia spreads. Not Trump. When you think about it, his call for a Muslim immigration moratorium is really a no-brainer — but whose “politically correct” brain is capable even of thinking of it, let alone calling for it out loud? I regret to say that Sen. Cruz does not support Trump’s moratorium, deferring instead to a rosier vision of Islam and immigration screening both in order, politely, to reject it.

That’s too bad, but so it goes, further testament to the fearless, agenda-setting powers of Trump. It’s really quite incredible: soon, maybe even before it’s too late, GOP primary voters will have a clear choice on walls, borders, immigration, even Islamic immigration (and, I would hope, the related issue of Islamic law), all because Donald Trump plucked these crucial issues from the void where the politicians, including good conservatives, have been eager to leave them.

Go Trump!

:doge :american :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 28, 2015, 09:17:39 AM

(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2015/12/25/chip_bok_chip_bok_for_12252015_5_.jpg)

 :doge

 :lol

(http://www.realclearpolitics.com/cartoons/images/2015/12/21/clay_bennett_current_cartoon_2015-12-21_5_.jpg)

 :dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2015, 12:32:00 PM

PD, EXPLAIN

http://www.vibe.com/2015/12/black-twitter-hillary-clinton-logo-change/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2015, 01:59:31 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on December 28, 2015, 12:32:00 PM

PD, EXPLAIN

http://www.vibe.com/2015/12/black-twitter-hillary-clinton-logo-change/

(http://i.imgur.com/E2zPnCZ.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: brob on December 28, 2015, 07:18:22 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nsjUZrV.png)

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mupepe on December 28, 2015, 07:48:48 PM

I'm not sure how the fuck I got on Rand Paul's mailing list but I did a few years ago. I was too lazy to fill out the unsubscribe form since hitting delete was easier. Until that motherfucker kept asking me for money.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2015, 12:14:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRvGBt9yWeY

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/mer-crimmuh-my-ode-to-donal-trump.385302/

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2015, 12:24:10 AM

Quote from: brob on December 28, 2015, 07:18:22 PM

http://i.imgur.com/nsjUZrV.png

It's funny to me every single time I'm reminded that he set his name to "Dr. Rand Paul" on Twitter.  What a tool.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Mandark on December 29, 2015, 12:28:11 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on December 29, 2015, 12:14:16 AM

*My Mind on Trump youtube*

Did you know that black Americans commit Poe's Law violations at the same rate as white Americans, but are five times as likely to be sent to prison for it?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2015, 05:03:09 PM

One person shows up to O'Malley event in Iowa, remains uncommitted (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/martin-omalley-iowa-event-217193)

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"The very last event of the night, we actually had a whopping total of one person show up, but by God, he was glad to see me. So we spent the time with him," the Democratic presidential candidate told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Tuesday, speaking from Des Moines.

A tweet shared by a reporter who was present showed a bearded man, identified only as Kenneth, sitting at a table with O'Malley, who told MSNBC that he was "working on him" but also said people in Iowa "want to see the whole campaign play out" before deciding on a candidate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXXCvJHUoAEvaaR.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 29, 2015, 05:27:31 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on December 29, 2015, 05:03:09 PM

One person shows up to O'Malley event in Iowa, remains uncommitted (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/12/martin-omalley-iowa-event-217193)

Quote

"The very last event of the night, we actually had a whopping total of one person show up, but by God, he was glad to see me. So we spent the time with him," the Democratic presidential candidate told MSNBC's "Morning Joe" on Tuesday, speaking from Des Moines.

A tweet shared by a reporter who was present showed a bearded man, identified only as Kenneth, sitting at a table with O'Malley, who told MSNBC that he was "working on him" but also said people in Iowa "want to see the whole campaign play out" before deciding on a candidate.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXXCvJHUoAEvaaR.jpg)

The Onion :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2015, 06:07:08 PM

http://www.wmur.com/politics/george-pataki-tells-nh-supporters-he-will-drop-out-of-race-for-president/37181108

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Republican presidential candidate George Pataki is planning to end his presidential bid, sources within the campaign confirmed to WMUR Political Director Josh McElveen.

The former New York governor has called some of his supporters in New Hampshire to tell them of his decision.

Game changer.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Kara on December 29, 2015, 07:00:42 PM

While y'all were laughing at dank memes, the IRS was quasi-privatized.

http://www.accountingtoday.com/news/tax-practice/highway-bill-revoke-passports-tax-delinquents-private-debt-collectors-76612-1.html

Quote

Congress has passed highway-funding legislation that includes two tax provisions that would allow the State Department to revoke the passports of long-term tax delinquents who owe more than $50,000 in tax debts and revive a program requiring the IRS to hire private debt collection agencies.

Quote

On the matter of using private debt collectors, the IRS has tried using outside contractors in the past, but the program has been discontinued twice because it did not bring in the revenue anticipated and provoked complaints that the debt collectors were harassing mostly low-income taxpayers.

http://www.accountingtoday.com/news/tax-practice/tax-strategy-76811-1.html

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FAST orders the Secretary of Treasury to enter into one or more qualified tax collection contracts with private contractors for the collection of all outstanding inactive tax receivables. This is authority that the Obama administration, the IRS and the Taxpayer Advocate did not seek or want. The IRS views the last attempt at private debt collection several years ago to have been a failure. However, the provision does give Congress cover to argue, as it reduces the IRS’s budget and tax collection suffers, that this provision should permit tax collection to continue in spite of the reduced budget.

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In an apparent effort to impose further control over the IRS’s use of funds raised from private debt collectors, FAST redirects funds that the IRS may retain from private debt collectors from use for the IRS’s collection enforcement activities to a new Special Compliance Personnel Program Account. The account is to be used for hiring, training and employment of special compliance personnel. These special compliance personnel are to be used by the IRS as field function collection officers or employed to collect taxes using the automated collection system. No other funds are to be placed into this account, no funds from any other source are to be used for this purpose, and no funds in the account are to be used for any other purpose. In short, if the IRS does not receive any money from private debt collectors, it is to have no funds to pay for this aspect of its internal collection activities.

Quote

With respect to private debt collection, Congress clearly appears to be trying to force the IRS to undertake private debt collection whether it wants to or not.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2015, 09:15:53 PM

We can't raise taxes to pay for repairs on a crumbling infrastructure, so we'll hire a private for-profit company to squeeze a few cents out of people too poor to pay the taxes they owe. Sounds like a great idea! I wonder why no one has ever tried it before?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Kara on December 30, 2015, 01:46:18 AM

The medical device excise tax (which admittedly was dumb) was also taken out back and shot. Not a great sign for the fiscal health of the Affordable Care Act, imo.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2015, 02:10:10 PM

Quote

New Hampshire Union Leader publisher Joe McQuaid responds to Donald Trump’s ‘low-life’ comments and predicts how New Hampshire Republicans are receiving the GOP front-runner’s public image.

Quote

JOSEPH MCQUAID: I don't know what Mr. Trump's support is in our state or nationally, for that matter. I think polls are pretty much bunk, and are name recognition, not real substance. It is a crowded field, and I think Iowa, N. H., and South Carolina are going to winnow the field, and all this poll business is going to be history.

Boom. Take that ya dumb polls.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 30, 2015, 05:38:24 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/n0JCqnv.png)

http://www.cato.org/blog/2016-presidential-candidate-intervention-meter

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 30, 2015, 11:01:04 PM

We gonna acknowledge the best part of the 2016 race has been Paul's nonstop annihilation of neoconservatism during the debates?
:rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Syph on December 31, 2015, 03:01:00 AM

The GOAT Mark Steyn:
http://www.steynonline.com/7394/predators-for-hillary

Wonder how long the whole Bill Clinton will fester until it reachers critical mass. Perhaps just before Iowa Trump will drop a bomb, or maybe next debate (latter more unlikely probably).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Oblivion on December 31, 2015, 07:06:15 AM

How the fuck is Fiorina so low on the intervention list? Bitch wants to nuke everything.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Samson Manhug on December 31, 2015, 03:02:55 PM

American conservative demigod Ronald Reagan, everyone:

(http://i.imgur.com/t29u4x5.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 31, 2015, 03:44:57 PM

President Trump will ask Seal Team 6 to play Rainbow Six Siege before carrying out a no-knock warrant for the arrest and deportation of Muhammad Ali.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Madrun Badrun on December 31, 2015, 03:50:16 PM

:lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Syph on December 31, 2015, 07:49:06 PM

i guess we know why Six Days in Fallujah was never released then

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 01, 2016, 01:40:42 AM

So, I'm reading an article about Rahm Emanuel and he's basically the worst ever. Also, his political career is probably about to go down in flames with this latest police shooting in Chicago. Good riddance:

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-sudden-but-well-deserved-fall-of-rahm-emanuel

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 03:27:01 PM

Quote

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% tells his volunteers about the need to energize and mobilize Christians.

“If we awaken and energize the body of Christ– if Christians and people of faith come out and vote our values– we will win and we will turn the country around,” Cruz told volunteers on a conference call Tuesday.

Cruz also said that he is organizing a coalition of pastors in early states including Iowa and South Carolina.

“We’re working to have a lead pastor in each of the 99 counties in Iowa, 99 pastors are organizing other pastors,” Cruz said. “We’re doing the same thing in South Carolina, organizing pastors in 46 counties to motivate and organize other pastors.”

Cruz warned that, as the election nears, the attacks on his campaign will become more vicious.

“I want to tell everyone to get ready, strap on the full armor of God, get ready for the attacks that are coming,” he warned. “Come the month of January we ain’t seen nothing yet.”

Cruz predicts that the nomination will come by the end of the March and said that his campaign is now in a “90-day sprint to win this nomination.”

:letsfukk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 03:34:48 PM

Quote

Glory • a day ago
It's true. Without Evangelical support Ted Cruz cannot win.

I would also argue that unless the United States is willing to submit to God's natural laws, it will also fail.


rgeno  Glory • a day ago
Evangelicals with all due respect don't be stupid. Cruz can't win. But if we loose to Clinton/libs/commies you'll loose your religion. You'd 've walked on by libs. All your belives and devotion will be persecuted by govermant as it happened with two cake backers in Oregon.

TRUMP is our ONLY hope.

GO TRUMP!!!!!!

itmatters247  rgeno • 21 hours ago
No GOD is our only hope and dont you ever forget that!


bamboo_viper  itmatters247 • 19 hours ago
True - God is our only hope.
But God's Son is not going to involve himself in elections or help tawdry lawyer/politicians who use their own children to gain in politics.
.
Christ threw greedy folks like Cruz out of God's temple as is described in the Bible. God also tells us that Satan is the father of all lies - and that He despises all liars. Cruz is certainly guilty in that area as well. Truth is not Cruz's strong suit. This will blow up in Cruz's face in a spectacular fashion.


Robert Paulson  bamboo_viper • 18 hours ago
Cruz is owned by the moneychangers.

:lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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Free People  Sharon Morgan • 3 hours ago
Exactly! + 100 ^^^^^^^ excellent post there Sharon!

HAPPY TRUMP YEAR to you and yours!

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Kara on January 01, 2016, 04:13:14 PM

By moneychangers they mean Jewish people. :money

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 04:59:28 PM

The headline "Chris Christie’s Punch Lines vs. Marco Rubio’s Polish on Iowa Campaign Trail (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/01/us/politics/chris-christie-marco-rubio-iowa-campaign.html)" makes this article sound pro-Rubio, but it reads like a Christie attack on Rubio's "fakeness" or what have you.

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Mr. Christie’s town-hall-style meetings here are stripped-down, unfussy affairs, so determinedly casual that his staff picks coffeehouses, bowling alleys and even bars as sites. (Bars are inexpensive, staff members say, and the setting all but guarantees a crowd.) He uses no stage or barriers, just a microphone and a bottle of water with the label ripped off. He plops himself down in the middle of the room and wanders into the crowd and plays for laughs at almost every turn: The audience at a cafe here broke into laughter 21 times.

Mr. Rubio’s events are much more meticulously planned, so formal that cloth-covered fencing is set up around the perimeter of the room. (Aides said it made the young lawmaker seem more presidential.) He speaks the entire time atop a raised platform, flanked by enormous red-white-and-blue campaign posters lit by spotlights. Polished applause lines tumble from his mouth: In Clinton, Iowa, the crowd interrupted him at least 15 times with bursts of clapping.

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Mr. Rubio favors lofty, patriotic, high-minded narration to make his points; Mr. Christie relies on emotional, sometimes borscht-belt-style storytelling that can drag his events to two hours, twice as long as Mr. Rubio’s.

Asked about the funding shortfall for Social Security, Mr. Christie zeroed in on a few older women in a cafe, walking up to them and delivering his proposal to raise the retirement age with a side of marital humor. Male life expectancy, he said, has risen to 79, closing in on 83 for women. “That four-year vacation you were hoping for at the end of your life from us, you may not get it,” Mr. Christie told them as laughs erupted across the room. “We may be hanging with you the entire trip.”

Mr. Rubio’s style can be stirring — or oddly disconnected. When a young woman at his event in Clinton wondered what he would do to lure millennial voters to the Republican Party, pointing out that she was one of just a handful from that generation who came out to see him, Mr. Rubio delivered a rehearsed-sounding answer heavy on campaign talking points instead of an actual strategy. “Here is how we are going to fix it,” he said. “By allowing free enterprise and limited government to be applied to the challenges of the 21st century.”

The young woman looked unpersuaded.

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Voters seem highly attuned to the stagecraft (or lack of it) in the candidates’ dueling town halls. In Clinton, in the northeast corner of the state, about a dozen people were left standing at a Rubio event despite ample space in the room: Using an old campaign trick, his staff had subdivided a large banquet hall to create the illusion of a packed room, but that also meant there was insufficient seating.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Atramental on January 01, 2016, 08:08:15 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=ovxZP7pcCbQ

 :letsfukk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 08:13:51 PM

 :american

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Tasty on January 01, 2016, 08:33:21 PM

Abolish the IRS in 2016 :lol

This fucking guy, even if he wins, won't be sworn in until January 2017! What a bumbling oaf.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 01, 2016, 09:41:59 PM

Marine Todd didn't know it, but that little old man was Albert Einstein.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 10:26:00 PM

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/12/Majorities-across-political-groups-say-debates-have-been-helpful.png)
 :yeshrug

(http://www.people-press.org/files/2015/12/to-load.png)
gross

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: Syph on January 02, 2016, 12:51:43 AM

But the penetration rate is still quite low at this stage no? As to how many are watching the debates.
I think the most interesting thing this primary cycle has definitely been the contrast between polled people and those who will actually show up to aforementioned polls.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - Trump/Carson third party incoming
Post by: Brehvolution on January 02, 2016, 04:39:59 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 01, 2016, 03:27:01 PM

Quote

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97% tells his volunteers about the need to energize and mobilize Christians.

“If we awaken and energize the body of Christ– if Christians and people of faith come out and vote our values– we will win and we will turn the country around,” Cruz told volunteers on a conference call Tuesday.

Cruz also said that he is organizing a coalition of pastors in early states including Iowa and South Carolina.

“We’re working to have a lead pastor in each of the 99 counties in Iowa, 99 pastors are organizing other pastors,” Cruz said. “We’re doing the same thing in South Carolina, organizing pastors in 46 counties to motivate and organize other pastors.”

Cruz warned that, as the election nears, the attacks on his campaign will become more vicious.

“I want to tell everyone to get ready, strap on the full armor of God, get ready for the attacks that are coming,” he warned. “Come the month of January we ain’t seen nothing yet.”

Cruz predicts that the nomination will come by the end of the March and said that his campaign is now in a “90-day sprint to win this nomination.”

:letsfukk

Looks like the IRS has a lot of tax free status to revoke this year. :money

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: brawndolicious on January 02, 2016, 05:13:10 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if there's still at least 4 Republican candidates with 15% of the vote each by the end of March.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 02, 2016, 05:30:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovxZP7pcCbQ
 :letsfukk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 02, 2016, 05:41:19 PM

That's like the dumbist shit ever.  This thread makes me pretty happy I'm a Canadian. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: Barry Egan on January 03, 2016, 02:39:56 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 02, 2016, 05:41:19 PM

That's like the dumbist shit ever.  This thread makes me pretty happy I'm a Canadian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOf7olN0I8

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 03, 2016, 09:53:02 PM

we need a World Baseball Classic of conservative party primaries/leadership elections.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: Boogie on January 04, 2016, 06:03:48 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on January 03, 2016, 02:39:56 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 02, 2016, 05:41:19 PM

That's like the dumbist shit ever.  This thread makes me pretty happy I'm a Canadian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOf7olN0I8

The biggest tragedy of the Rob Ford saga is that we never did get the footage of that incident from that camera's POV.  :'(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT|
Post by: Syph on January 05, 2016, 01:36:18 AM

Quote from: Boogie on January 04, 2016, 06:03:48 PM

Quote from: Barry Egan on January 03, 2016, 02:39:56 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 02, 2016, 05:41:19 PM

That's like the dumbist shit ever.  This thread makes me pretty happy I'm a Canadian.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBOf7olN0I8

The biggest tragedy of the Rob Ford saga is that we never did get the footage of that incident from that camera's POV.  :'(

nothing beats the fact that Toronto's Rob Ford looks like Phil Kessel lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Trent Dole on January 05, 2016, 05:50:27 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nBrD47Q.jpg)
You know what? Right about now I'm OK with Obama taking away your guns. If it means my taxpayer dollars aren't going to be wasted on dealing with armed standoffs cause you're upset about your right to set wildlife preserves on fire getting infringed upon anymore let's do it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 05, 2016, 06:15:38 PM

I typed in the url to make sure that wasn't fake.

...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 05, 2016, 06:32:45 PM

I can't wait to be an Israeli voter who sees Third Reich iconography exploited for political points by politicians who would actually have been victims of the Nazi Party instead of those who swelled its ranks when it was expedient to join up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 05, 2016, 08:26:31 PM

First they came for the Canadians...

"Ahhh, what can you do?"  :larry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 05, 2016, 08:29:43 PM

Serious question, don't see how Cruz would've gotten on the Nazi's naughty list. He's vaguely Cuban but not in a way that really fits into their racial theory.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 05, 2016, 08:36:56 PM

Kara was saying that in Israel, Godwin's Law is abused by people who would've been rounded up (Jews), as opposed to the US, where it's thrown around by people who would've been along for the ride (Cruz et al).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 05, 2016, 08:46:28 PM

Guess I can read it that way, though then it reads as Kara looking forward to a planned future move to Israel ( ??? )

Also I've had a total of 6 hours sleep over the past three nights so maybe I shouldn't be engaging in pedantry  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 05, 2016, 09:09:36 PM

OBAMA WANTS UR GUNZ!!!!
PLZ PUT NAME AND HOME ADDRESS HERE IF U HAZ GUNS

Paid for by the Patriots for Ted Cruz and Not a Fake Site Set up by Obama to Steal Your Guns

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 05, 2016, 09:18:00 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on January 05, 2016, 08:46:28 PM

Kara looking forward to a planned future move to Israel ( ??? )

This is actually part of the official Karakand canon.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 05, 2016, 09:27:31 PM

Right now I'm torn between becoming a kibbutznik or a moshavnik.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2016, 09:33:44 PM

Do you plan on heeding Bibi's call as well, Mandark?
(http://i.imgur.com/ODxu6qw.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 05, 2016, 09:53:32 PM

I've felt the pull of my people, but no plans to follow through in the near future.  Maybe when I'm older I'll finally make aliyah and move to Miami.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 05, 2016, 10:32:32 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2016, 09:33:44 PM

Do you plan on heeding Bibi's call as well, Mandark?
(http://i.imgur.com/ODxu6qw.png)

those jordan pics
every. damn. time. lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 05, 2016, 10:55:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 05, 2016, 09:33:44 PM

Do you plan on heeding Bibi's call as well, Mandark?
(http://i.imgur.com/ODxu6qw.png)

Which dwarve is bibi again?  I can only remember Kili because of that stupid love triangle with the elf they added in.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mr. Gundam on January 05, 2016, 11:56:33 PM

Quote from: Kara on January 05, 2016, 09:27:31 PM

Right now I'm torn between becoming a kibbutznik or a moshavnik.

The kibbutz system is pretty fucked at this point. I've got friends who are on one (spent time there in the mid 80s and late 90s) and they say they're nothing like they once were.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2016, 12:03:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-SC1uUiT9s

:rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 06, 2016, 01:11:57 AM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on January 05, 2016, 11:56:33 PM

The kibbutz system is pretty fucked at this point. I've got friends who are on one (spent time there in the mid 80s and late 90s) and they say they're nothing like they once were.

I can't deny what you're saying, but on the other hand, what in the homeland isn't fucked at this point? :larry

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 06, 2016, 01:19:44 AM

This is kind of old, but I saw it on Twitter today and am in a foul mood about tax code welfare after having to slog through tens of hours of continuing ed about tedious individual income tax situations at the death knell of 2015

(http://i.imgur.com/YS8BR8q.jpg)

Quote

Close to half of homeowners with mortgages — most of them middle- and lower-income families — receive no benefit from the mortgage interest deduction.[6]   Some of these households do not owe federal income taxes, even though they typically pay substantial federal payroll taxes and/or state and local taxes.  Others claim the standard deduction rather than itemize deductions.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/mortgage-interest-deduction-is-ripe-for-reform

For reference, aside from other limitations on itemized deductions, there's no cap on the mortgage interest deduction until home indebtedness surpasses one million dollars. *Doctor Evil* Student loan interest--which is secured against a person Archaic Athens stylee--is capped at 2,500 paid, for comparison.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 06, 2016, 01:28:54 AM

administer a welfare state through the tax code, brehs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2016, 01:32:26 AM

Listen, Mandark. You can't just give people MONEY. What if they spend it on steaks, hdtvs, and spinner rims?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2016, 02:02:08 AM

Has anyone heard from Drew? Is he ok after Obama came for his guns today?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 06, 2016, 02:40:59 AM

he's stuck in a background check loop at walmart

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Oblivion on January 06, 2016, 07:00:59 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 06, 2016, 12:03:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-SC1uUiT9s

:rofl

Holy shit, that's real? I thought it was a parody. :rofl

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 06, 2016, 03:37:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 06, 2016, 02:44:32 AM

Megan McArdle basically came out advocating for subsidies instead of the complex tax code. She's usually dumb as rocks, so I was impressed.

Granted the route she took to get there was her usual shit.

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-04/why-we-fear-the-irs (http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2016-01-04/why-we-fear-the-irs)

Quote

At this point it seems worth pausing to note that:

I have an MBA.
I write about tax policy for a living.

These things are surprisingly little help. Filling out your taxes is not a matter of being good at math, or accounting, or even knowing how various provisions of the tax code interact in revenue projections. It is entirely a matter of knowing what can be deducted, and how. And because our tax code is so complex, that doesn’t mean “read the statute”; it means “read the statute, and the case law, and develop a sense over long experience of how agents are likely to interpret this or that during an audit.” The only people who can do that are tax professionals; the rest of us are too busy earning a living in our own professions.

I'm Megan McArdle, I'm ostensibly a bourgeois lickspittle, I write for a dubious periodical of an unabashedly capitalist bent, and I also believe that I personally am exempt from being bound by the laws of comparative advantage. Please take what I have to say seriously.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 06, 2016, 04:01:39 PM

:money

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 05:24:49 PM

Why the fuck am I still seeing Donald Trump on my TV?

America

:stahp

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 06, 2016, 06:29:49 PM

If you can look past America's paper of record allowing for the use of "bro" and tangents about dank memes (I dearly wish I was making either of these things up), the New York Times exposé on daily fantasy sites is a pretty sobering read.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Trent Dole on January 06, 2016, 07:40:20 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 06, 2016, 05:24:49 PM

Why the fuck am I still seeing Donald Trump on my TV?

America

:stahp

He could very well be our next President. :o Still leading in the polls by a good margin for his party, and there's polls of him vs. Hillary with the Don coming out on top. :teehee

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 06, 2016, 09:50:29 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 06, 2016, 01:32:26 AM

Listen, Mandark. You can't just give people MONEY. What if they spend it on steaks, hdtvs, and spinner rims?

or REFRIGERATORS

(http://i.imgur.com/pPYwbd0.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 07, 2016, 12:44:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLTMkg1RLW0

edit: new page? it's a sign

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2016, 12:47:27 AM

tighter holes :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 07, 2016, 04:25:31 AM

U have no idea how struggle it is to casually Google the bicycle company Lapierre and get news stories about that guy instead. :'(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: qq more on January 07, 2016, 11:43:48 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/9QmzM4R.png)

Ah yes. Paris, the capital of Germany, needs to get SMART like us amazing Americans with a very low crime rate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Rufus on January 07, 2016, 12:00:50 PM

I don't even what to say.

Don't do it America. Turn away from this cliff. :stahp

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2016, 12:10:50 PM

Trump 2016: Big Crime, Get Smart

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 07, 2016, 12:18:08 PM

Donald Trump is the physical embodiment of the political chain e-mail.

 Like Vigo in Ghostbusters 2, he has gained his powers from the years of hate and disinformation  that has flowed through the AOL servers.

 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2016, 12:53:44 PM

I don't see Trump winning Iowa due to the caucus process/Evangelical voters...but after that? NH  seems winnable, as do the other two early states.

I don't believe it will/can happen but imagine if he was the nominee. The GOP might not recover for years  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: tiesto on January 07, 2016, 12:59:26 PM

Quote from: qq more on January 07, 2016, 11:43:48 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/9QmzM4R.png)

Ah yes. Paris, the capital of Germany, needs to get SMART like us amazing Americans with a very low crime rate.

Agent 86 is on the case:

(http://img2-2.timeinc.net/people/i/2005/news/051010/dadams2.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 07, 2016, 01:00:26 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2016, 12:10:50 PM

Trump 2016: Big Crime, Get Smart

:doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 07, 2016, 02:12:14 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 07, 2016, 12:53:44 PM

I don't see Trump winning Iowa due to the caucus process/Evangelical voters...but after that? NH  seems winnable, as do the other two early states.

I don't believe it will/can happen but imagine if he was the nominee. The GOP might not recover for years  :lol

I don't get this assumption that he probably won't win any states. Right now he seems to have locked in the votes to win most of the first few states (exception being Iowa where Cruz has a narrow lead). And he'll probably win most of those early primaries until enough candidates drop out and endorse another front runner.

The main obstacles for him in the next month is that either he does/says something outlandish enough to lose his supporters or like half the top 10 candidates drop out. Do you really think there's a good chance of either of those things happening?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 09:17:41 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 07, 2016, 06:20:21 PM

The biggest challenge to Trump would be if three of Rubio, Christie, Kasich and Bush were to drop out after New Hampshire. Presumably the bulk of their supporters would go to the surviving member of that group. This assumes that Cruz hangs on and that Trump can't pick up most of Carson's supporters when Carson drops out.

By Super Tuesday, you could have an establishment candidate with the support of nearly all current Rubio, Christie, Kasich, Bush supporters, which could very well be enough to beat Trump.

However, that Voltron establishment candidate might not be enough to beat Cruz if he picks up Carson's voters.

This also assumes that basically none of the voters supporting the establishment Big 4 cross over to Trump.

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/42fbf2110db79d84ad46a07d8a65b2ab/tumblr_mo02chJolI1qcdf0wo1_500.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2016, 09:47:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzeRijIzpL4

oh dear

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2016, 10:29:40 AM

They were probably all eating free government crab legs and driving cadillacs too, amirite?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 11:12:07 AM

If you assume D-Money is black doesn't that make you the real racist?  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 08, 2016, 11:31:40 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 11:12:07 AM

If you assume D-Money is black doesn't that make you the real racist?  :doge

Honestly I thought his name was Dee Monet.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 02:07:28 PM

Quote

The U.S. created 292,000 new jobs in December, as hiring sped up toward the end of the year. Economists polled by MarketWatch had expected a gain of 215,000 nonfarm jobs. The unemployment rate remained at 5%, largely because almost a half-million people joined the labor force.

Employment gains for November and October, meanwhile, were revised up by a combined 50,000, the Labor Department said Friday. The government said 252,000 new jobs were created in November instead of 211,000. October’s gain was raised to 307,000 from 298,000, marking the biggest increase of 2015.

In a surprise, average hourly wages paid to American workers fell a penny to $25.24. Still, hourly pay has risen 2.5% in the past 12 months, matching a six-and-a-half-year high. The amount of time people worked each week was unchanged at 34.5 hours. The labor-force participation rate rose a tick to 62.6%

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-creates-292000-jobs-in-december-unemployment-5-2016-01-08?mod=BreakingNewsMain

the destruction of America continues  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:13:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 02:07:28 PM

Quote

The U.S. created 292,000 new jobs in December, as hiring sped up toward the end of the year. Economists polled by MarketWatch had expected a gain of 215,000 nonfarm jobs. The unemployment rate remained at 5%, largely because almost a half-million people joined the labor force.

Employment gains for November and October, meanwhile, were revised up by a combined 50,000, the Labor Department said Friday. The government said 252,000 new jobs were created in November instead of 211,000. October’s gain was raised to 307,000 from 298,000, marking the biggest increase of 2015.

In a surprise, average hourly wages paid to American workers fell a penny to $25.24. Still, hourly pay has risen 2.5% in the past 12 months, matching a six-and-a-half-year high. The amount of time people worked each week was unchanged at 34.5 hours. The labor-force participation rate rose a tick to 62.6%

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-creates-292000-jobs-in-december-unemployment-5-2016-01-08?mod=BreakingNewsMain

the destruction of America continues  :doge

I'd argue we're still losing high salaries and that replacing them with starbuks employment shouldn't count but you'll just poo poo it until you lose your job and start serving me my coffee for 9 bucks an hour.  :doge

Also count them seasonal holiday jobs :ufup


Also 34.5 hours? Not even able to qualify for work provided insurance. :snoop


Not sure why you guys try to brag about this, nobody thinks we are doing better now than we were 10 years ago. How's that employment looking for them college grads breh?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 02:21:06 PM

I'll let Walrus hand you that L.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:30:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 02:21:06 PM

I'll let Walrus hand you that L.

Feel free to try. Lying and hiding behind tailored statistics being spoonfed to you guys doesn't phase me a bit. I see the amount of applications that come into my company of people will to take 1/2 of what they made before. And these aren't low level accountants or technicians. These are senior level positions.

Periods without jobs just on this stack I'm looking at (This is for an electrical engineer)

6 months
2 years
9 months
1 and 1/2 years
3 YEARS

Christ, it breaks my heart. Now I realize a lot of states are doing better than Ohio and Wisconsin, but I can remember when finding a job you wanted to precedence over finding anything you could.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 08, 2016, 02:32:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 02:07:28 PM

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-creates-292000-jobs-in-december-unemployment-5-2016-01-08?mod=BreakingNewsMain

the destruction of America continues  :doge

Good to see obstructionism and austerity is still working for the economy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 08, 2016, 02:34:34 PM

Trump did say that Americans make too much money. Looks like market correction or maybe those "senior level positions" aren't worth their old wages.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:35:33 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 08, 2016, 02:34:34 PM

Trump did say that Americans make too much money. Looks like market correction or maybe those "senior level positions" aren't worth their old wages.  :doge

He's a fucking shithole. I hope to god they find something on him soon. We need him to fade back to only being relevant on 9pm tuesdays again.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 08, 2016, 02:38:31 PM

I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about himself or his rich buddies. He was talking about fast food, retail, and other minimum wage jobs.

I'm still wondering how they get that average wage of $25 and hour.  :confused

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:41:08 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 08, 2016, 02:38:31 PM

I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about himself or his rich buddies. He was talking about fast food, retail, and other minimum wage jobs.

I'm sure he was.

anyway I just found out our median average income per household is only 52,000 and some change and hasn't rose significantly in a few years. That's fucking frightening as compared to inflation.

How could somebody live on that? Well single sure, but a family? Man....my parents were amazing I gotta go hug my momma.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:42:05 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 08, 2016, 02:38:31 PM

I'm pretty sure he wasn't talking about himself or his rich buddies. He was talking about fast food, retail, and other minimum wage jobs.

I'm still wondering how they get that average wage of $25 and hour.  :confused

Because one CEO's 45,000,000 earnings balances out with like 40,000 people making 7.50 an hour I assume? Makes them look better. And I assure you 1/2 this country isn't making 25 bucks an hour.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2016, 03:07:08 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:30:42 PM

Ohio and Wisconsin

:kobeyuck

Try to find work in flyover states, brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Steve Contra on January 08, 2016, 03:07:40 PM

Quote from: Mandark on January 08, 2016, 09:47:32 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypnqNlF_IJE

oh dear

When I first saw this I realized I had a misconception about Maine being a more liberal state and then I realized nothing I read said LePage was Republican, I just assumed that because of course he is.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 03:31:50 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:30:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 02:21:06 PM

I'll let Walrus hand you that L.

Feel free to try. Lying and hiding behind tailored statistics being spoonfed to you guys doesn't phase me a bit. I see the amount of applications that come into my company of people will to take 1/2 of what they made before. And these aren't low level accountants or technicians. These are senior level positions.

Periods without jobs just on this stack I'm looking at (This is for an electrical engineer)

6 months
2 years
9 months
1 and 1/2 years
3 YEARS

Christ, it breaks my heart. Now I realize a lot of states are doing better than Ohio and Wisconsin, but I can remember when finding a job you wanted to precedence over finding anything you could.

Why do you always rely on anecdotal information? The BLS report has showed throughout 2015 that more full time jobs are being created than part time. Most of the jobs created in the very report linked today aren't retail or Starbucks type stuff, despite the obvious seasonal rush in hiring.

The economy isn't perfect. There were some bad jobs reports in 2015. This is not one of them.

Sorry Walrus I couldn't wait for you.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 06:36:47 PM

I'll say it again. Say what you want about Obama but thank fucking god he won in 2012. I don't think I would have been able to deal with the victory lap we'd be seeing right now if President Romney had unemployment at 5% and a constant string of solid to good BLS reports. Especially where I work? Hell no. I'd have to quit.

You'd never hear conservatives talking about participation rates or pretending to not understand what seasonal employment is.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 08, 2016, 07:19:54 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/08/news/economy/us-economy-jobs-second-best-year-since-1999/index.html

Ya I don't know how anyone can claim this to be anything other than good, even if it is exaggerated.

Also Am I saw in the promoted stories down at the bottom an article on how older men tighten their skin. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2016, 07:21:43 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:41:08 PM

anyway I just found out our median average income per household is only 52,000 and some change and hasn't rose significantly in a few years. That's fucking frightening as compared to inflation.

That number is in "real" dollars, which means inflation's already factored in.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 08, 2016, 07:59:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 08, 2016, 03:07:40 PM

When I first saw this I realized I had a misconception about Maine being a more liberal state and then I realized nothing I read said LePage was Republican, I just assumed that because of course he is.

Maine's odd.  Leans solidly Democratic in presidential races, has had two independent governors since the 70's and almost had a third (both times LePage got elected it was in three-way races), and had Snowe and Collins, the moderate GOP ladies.  It's like some weird bastion of Eisenhower Republicanism.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Oblivion on January 08, 2016, 08:02:55 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:30:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 02:21:06 PM

I'll let Walrus hand you that L.

Feel free to try. Lying and hiding behind tailored statistics being spoonfed to you guys doesn't phase me a bit. I see the amount of applications that come into my company of people will to take 1/2 of what they made before. And these aren't low level accountants or technicians. These are senior level positions.

Periods without jobs just on this stack I'm looking at (This is for an electrical engineer)

6 months
2 years
9 months
1 and 1/2 years
3 YEARS

Christ, it breaks my heart. Now I realize a lot of states are doing better than Ohio and Wisconsin, but I can remember when finding a job you wanted to precedence over finding anything you could.

What are you talking about?

- There have been around 14 million private sector jobs created since Jan. 2010
- 2014 and 2015 have been the two highest years of job growth since 1999.
- Obama has presided over 6 million more private sector jobs than Dubya did (and he still has a year left, which would mean another 2-3 million jobs if trends keep up).
- On net private sector job growth, Obama has 9 times more jobs than Dubya did.
- If trends continue, Obama will able to match the total number of private sector jobs that even the great RONALDUS MAGNUS presided over!
- If you count ONLY the positive job growth that Bush had, and compare it to do NET job growth (meaning we allow Obama to keep the job losses on the record as well) Obama still comes out ahead by over a million.
- Not only that, but Obama's been able to do all this with more regulations (including the biggest regulation the world has ever seen, Obamacare), more spending (stimulus), and more tax hikes on the job creators than Dubya did. If nothing else, the Obama years prove (once again) that the pro-trickle-down crowd has been horrendously off with their predictions that anything other than Grover Norquist approved economic policies would wreck the economy.

There's no cherry-picking going on here. Obama has at the very least done better than Bush on almost every economic measure. (And even the ones where he didn't, like the participation rate, are not due to his policies, but things like more people retiring and such)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 08, 2016, 09:37:18 PM

http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/

last common sense is good.  I didn't even know that super delegates were a thing.  Learn American civics from the West Wing bros. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: ToxicAdam on January 08, 2016, 10:22:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 06:36:47 PM

I'll say it again. Say what you want about Obama but thank fucking god he won in 2012. I don't think I would have been able to deal with the victory lap we'd be seeing right now if President Romney had unemployment at 5% and a constant string of solid to good BLS reports. Especially where I work? Hell no. I'd have to quit.

You'd never hear conservatives talking about participation rates or pretending to not understand what seasonal employment is.

Maybe if people actually realized and admitted that President's have dick to do with the unemployment rate we'd never have to endure these never-ending hypocrisy Olympics we engage in every cycle.

Nahh .. that's never going to happen.

It's that same mindset that blames unrelated world events on the stock price day to day.

 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 08, 2016, 10:28:18 PM

http://globalriskinsights.com/2016/01/the-pentagons-new-nuclear-gravity-bomb/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 11:37:32 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 08, 2016, 10:22:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 06:36:47 PM

I'll say it again. Say what you want about Obama but thank fucking god he won in 2012. I don't think I would have been able to deal with the victory lap we'd be seeing right now if President Romney had unemployment at 5% and a constant string of solid to good BLS reports. Especially where I work? Hell no. I'd have to quit.

You'd never hear conservatives talking about participation rates or pretending to not understand what seasonal employment is.

Maybe if people actually realized and admitted that President's have dick to do with the unemployment rate we'd never have to endure these never-ending hypocrisy Olympics we engage in every cycle.

Nahh .. that's never going to happen.

It's that same mindset that blames unrelated world events on the stock price day to day.

I think presidents have some impact on the economy, specifically when it comes to budgets, taxes, etc. But overall you're right, the business cycle tends to move along.

Even funnier than the economy: gas prices. Really puts nonsense like the Keystone Pipeline or gas tax holidays in context.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: thisismyusername on January 08, 2016, 11:48:25 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on January 08, 2016, 03:07:08 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on January 08, 2016, 02:30:42 PM

Ohio and Wisconsin

:kobeyuck

Try to find work in flyover states, brehs.

To be fair, it's just as bad in non-flyovers.

That's not to say that things aren't improving, however.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 09, 2016, 12:41:05 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 11:37:32 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on January 08, 2016, 10:22:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 08, 2016, 06:36:47 PM

I'll say it again. Say what you want about Obama but thank fucking god he won in 2012. I don't think I would have been able to deal with the victory lap we'd be seeing right now if President Romney had unemployment at 5% and a constant string of solid to good BLS reports. Especially where I work? Hell no. I'd have to quit.

You'd never hear conservatives talking about participation rates or pretending to not understand what seasonal employment is.

Maybe if people actually realized and admitted that President's have dick to do with the unemployment rate we'd never have to endure these never-ending hypocrisy Olympics we engage in every cycle.

Nahh .. that's never going to happen.

It's that same mindset that blames unrelated world events on the stock price day to day.

I think presidents have some impact on the economy, specifically when it comes to budgets, taxes, etc. But overall you're right, the business cycle tends to move along.

Even funnier than the economy: gas prices. Really puts nonsense like the Keystone Pipeline or gas tax holidays in context.  :doge

presidents do have an impact. they can instil confidence or the opposite. and at the very very least there is often a honeymoon period

also what point were you alluding to about Keystone hombre

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 09, 2016, 12:50:07 AM

Odd thing is that libruls haven't been super positive about the economy for most of Obama's presidency.  Might just be the ones I read, but they were all stressing how soft the recovery was, in the context of whether the Fed should pull back.

Also, the employment numbers are worthwhile even if Obama gets no credit whatsoever for them, just for disproving the null hypothesis of the JOB KILLING OBAMACARE BILL.  Ditto Bill Clinton's tax hike, which produced some outlandishly dire predictions at the time.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2016, 02:13:13 AM

Syph: the laughable idea that the Keystone Pipleline was the most important issue relating to gas prices/US oil production.

Mandark don't forget the Bush tax cuts expiring and how that was going to destroy confidence. Gotta say I'm impressed by the message discipline of republicans. Watching the debates you'd think America was on the brink of economic collapse and soup lines were imminent.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 09, 2016, 04:34:44 PM

Quote from: Dufus on January 09, 2016, 09:13:43 AM

I used to read a lot of Krugman back in days when NYT was free to read. He seemed to know his shit. Only thing I know about US/world economy is that proper measures weren't taken after the 2007/2008 shitstorm and that there's gonna be something similar but worse in the future because of that. Oh yeah and the recovery for the US wasn't really that good because it also changed the economy in a bad way for a lot of people or something despite the good stuff. :doge

Hey if you clear your cookies you can keep "reusing" those 10 free articles just so you know.
Krugman's age is showing though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 09, 2016, 10:52:52 PM

Get endorsed by actual racists, brehs

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/trump-robocalls-white-nationalists-iowa

 :cac

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 10, 2016, 06:43:54 AM

https://popehat.com/2015/12/30/2015-person-of-the-year-david-brooks/

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 10, 2016, 11:17:15 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 10, 2016, 06:43:54 AM

https://popehat.com/2015/12/30/2015-person-of-the-year-david-brooks/

 :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2016, 04:21:38 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265355-economist-gop-may-win-47-states-in-general-election

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 10, 2016, 04:26:07 PM

Quote

Supply-side economist Arthur Laffer...

seinfeldleaving.gif

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 10, 2016, 04:49:57 PM

:lol that sounds like a tween tv show doing a joke about highschool reporters and politics 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 10, 2016, 05:14:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2016, 04:21:38 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265355-economist-gop-may-win-47-states-in-general-election

wait The arthur laffer? that's interesting
too bad it's never happening lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 10, 2016, 06:00:12 PM

http://edmontonjournal.com/storyline/calgary-born-presidential-hopeful-ted-cruz-faces-potentially-damning-nickelback-accusation

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 10, 2016, 06:31:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 10, 2016, 04:21:38 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265355-economist-gop-may-win-47-states-in-general-election

:doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2016, 10:54:37 PM

If he can Make Football Great Again, I might vote for him

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/donald-trump---football-has-become-soft--like-our-country-000938592.html?nf=1

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 11, 2016, 11:22:36 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/40h38n/this_is_what_a_successful_presidency_looks_like/

good propaganda poster

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2016, 11:44:37 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2016, 10:54:37 PM

If he can Make Football Great Again, I might vote for him

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/donald-trump---football-has-become-soft--like-our-country-000938592.html?nf=1

It makes sense that Trump would be pro brain damage.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Tasty on January 11, 2016, 11:48:07 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2016, 11:44:37 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 10, 2016, 10:54:37 PM

If he can Make Football Great Again, I might vote for him

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/donald-trump---football-has-become-soft--like-our-country-000938592.html?nf=1

It makes sense that Trump would be pro brain damage.

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 11, 2016, 03:20:44 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/fox-news-claims-barack-obama-used-raw-onion-to-make-him-cry-during-gun-control-speech-a6798491.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 07:15:30 PM

Quote

Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina have been booted off the main stage at Thursday's Republican primary debate, Fox Business Network announced Monday evening.

The seven candidates who will appear on the main stage in North Charleston, S.C., are Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, and John Kasich.

The candidates invited to the earlier, undercard debate are Paul, Fiorina, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum. Paul told CNN Monday evening his exclusion from the main stage was "a mistake," and he won't attend the undercard debate. "We will not participate in anything that's not first-tier," Paul said.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYel4x_W8AIi77R.jpg:large)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2016, 07:23:26 PM

Little Lord Fauntleroy does not take kindly to being told to eat at the kids table, apparently

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 11, 2016, 07:27:53 PM

Who is Kasich?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 11, 2016, 07:30:15 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 11, 2016, 07:27:53 PM

Who is Kasich?

The governor of Ohio. One of the GOP establishment candidates, ie allegedly moderate and sane.

lol Jeb. When are those donors going to jump ship  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 07:37:40 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 11, 2016, 07:27:53 PM

Who is Kasich?

You don't recognize the former host of HEARTLAND with John Kasich on Fox News? Or the author of:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pLsvB2BML._SX329_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 11, 2016, 07:39:11 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 07:15:30 PM

Quote

Rand Paul and Carly Fiorina have been booted off the main stage at Thursday's Republican primary debate, Fox Business Network announced Monday evening.

The seven candidates who will appear on the main stage in North Charleston, S.C., are Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, and John Kasich.

The candidates invited to the earlier, undercard debate are Paul, Fiorina, Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum. Paul told CNN Monday evening his exclusion from the main stage was "a mistake," and he won't attend the undercard debate. "We will not participate in anything that's not first-tier," Paul said.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYel4x_W8AIi77R.jpg:large)

It seems like the more they pander, the less they know how to pose for a picture without making a weird face. Carson isn't even looking at the camera...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 11, 2016, 07:42:40 PM

Christie looks like he's taking a shit

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 07:44:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9mzSxQX1uo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 07:48:33 PM

Quote

The chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) on Monday slammed the Republican Party's selection of South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley for its State of the Union response, calling it "appalling," according to a Post and Courier report.

"It's pretty clear that Nikki Haley is being chosen because the Republican Party has a diversity problem," Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz (R-Fla.) said on a conference call.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2016, 08:58:14 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 07:37:40 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 11, 2016, 07:27:53 PM

Who is Kasich?

You don't recognize the former host of HEARTLAND with John Kasich on Fox News? Or the author of:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pLsvB2BML._SX329_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Did he win the battle or nah?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 09:43:43 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 11, 2016, 08:58:14 PM

Did he win the battle or nah?

You know you don't find that out until at least the third book. It's how they string you along.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 01:29:45 AM

It's official! America is saved!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGq4D5irpKw

Let's get 1.01% this time!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2016, 01:40:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 11, 2016, 07:44:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9mzSxQX1uo

When I win the Powerball I'll pay Charlie Rose to have her and Coates on his show.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2016, 01:44:12 AM

Got fifteen seconds into that video, paused it, thought "I bet Regnery's publishing that," and checked on Amazon.

Yup.  10 points for me.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 01:51:28 AM

My favorite part is Steve Doocy's first question and realizing as he asked it what he needed to add onto it to make it not/less racist sounding.

Also the shockingly frightening FOX & Friends transition at like 27 seconds.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 02:05:38 AM

I knew this was a growing industry  but I didn't realize just how big it was getting. All published post-Obama. :lol

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41TpnpwxOUL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51pdH1b0w6L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NtwT-DSRL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kAkpmfEiL.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GeXFEwUqL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41ECnDxUcqL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41HRJac-JGL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/410XZak9rZL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51%2BLUQG24%2BL.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

NEW FOREWORD BY SEAN HANNITY

[close]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 12, 2016, 02:17:27 AM

Seven of those have subtitles beginning "How..."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 12, 2016, 02:25:49 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 01:51:28 AM

My favorite part is Steve Doocy's first question and realizing as he asked it what he needed to add onto it to make it not/less racist sounding.

Also the shockingly frightening FOX & Friends transition at like 27 seconds.

That's not really racist when that was the strategy of the GOP over the last 50 years (gather all the angry white people together).  The most well-known ACTIVE Republican politician is Donald Trump who she makes sure to endorse by saying black people in should consider Mexicans their biggest enemy. I'm assuming because of competition for manufacturing/service jobs.

But then she says some shit about J-1 student visas and I'm lost.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 12, 2016, 04:15:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 09:18:00 AM

PPP polls actual valuable questions for Iowa Republicans:

Quote

Q28
Did Carly Fiorina rooting for Iowa over her alma mater of Stanford in the Rose Bowl make you more or less likely to support her for the Republican nomination for President, or did it not make a difference?
7%
More likely

 15%
Less likely

Quote

Are you offended by bilingual phone menus where you press 1 to continue in English and 2 to continue in Spanish, or not?
 52%
Offended by bilingual phone menus

 40%
Not offended by bilingual phone menus

Quote

President Obama teared up while announcing an executive action on gun control this week. Do you think his tears were sincere, or do you think he faked them?
16%
Obama’s tears were sincere

 69%
Obama’s tears were fake

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2016, 09:59:59 AM

How many of those books have you read Benji. I know you read Please Stop Helping Us.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 10:19:46 AM

I only read the first two chapters and gave up. :shh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2016, 11:30:17 AM

*david brooks trigger warning*
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/opinion/the-brutalism-of-ted-cruz.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Quote

In 1997, Michael Wayne Haley was arrested after stealing a calculator from Walmart. This was a crime that merited a maximum two-year prison term. But prosecutors incorrectly applied a habitual offender law. Neither the judge nor the defense lawyer caught the error and Haley was sentenced to 16 years.

Eventually, the mistake came to light and Haley tried to fix it. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas at the time. Instead of just letting Haley go for time served, Cruz took the case to the Supreme Court to keep Haley in prison for the full 16 years.

Some justices were skeptical. “Is there some rule that you can’t confess error in your state?” Justice Anthony Kennedy asked. The court system did finally let Haley out of prison, after six years.

 :holeup

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 11:43:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC6H-8hktFE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 11:55:46 AM

Quote

President Obama's effort to stack the audience with those who support his causes at his last State of the Union Address is being rebuffed by conservatives inviting guests that challenged Obamacare and gay marriage.

The Family Research Council told Secrets late Monday that they arranged for Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refused to approve marriage certificates for gay couples, to sit in the House audience. They also got a seat for her attorney Mat Staver.

Obama has invited Cincinnati's Jim Obergefell, the plaintiff in the court case that led the Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage.

:doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mupepe on January 12, 2016, 12:17:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2016, 11:30:17 AM

*david brooks trigger warning*
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/12/opinion/the-brutalism-of-ted-cruz.html?smid=tw-nytopinion&smtyp=cur&_r=0

Quote

In 1997, Michael Wayne Haley was arrested after stealing a calculator from Walmart. This was a crime that merited a maximum two-year prison term. But prosecutors incorrectly applied a habitual offender law. Neither the judge nor the defense lawyer caught the error and Haley was sentenced to 16 years.

Eventually, the mistake came to light and Haley tried to fix it. Ted Cruz was solicitor general of Texas at the time. Instead of just letting Haley go for time served, Cruz took the case to the Supreme Court to keep Haley in prison for the full 16 years.

Some justices were skeptical. “Is there some rule that you can’t confess error in your state?” Justice Anthony Kennedy asked. The court system did finally let Haley out of prison, after six years.

 :holeup

Teddy definitely seems like that dude.  We all have one in our social circles.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 12, 2016, 12:47:31 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 11:55:46 AM

Quote

President Obama's effort to stack the audience with those who support his causes at his last State of the Union Address is being rebuffed by conservatives inviting guests that challenged Obamacare and gay marriage.

The Family Research Council told Secrets late Monday that they arranged for Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who refused to approve marriage certificates for gay couples, to sit in the House audience. They also got a seat for her attorney Mat Staver.

Obama has invited Cincinnati's Jim Obergefell, the plaintiff in the court case that led the Supreme Court to legalize gay marriage.

:doge

Keep capitalizing those Ls, cons.  :neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 12, 2016, 01:02:33 PM

Quote

Now that he has raised questions about Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) Canadian birth and American citizenship, Donald Trump has started playing Bruce Springsteen's "Born in the USA" before campaign rallies, according to reports in The Weekly Standard and the Texas Tribune.

 :cac

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 12, 2016, 02:06:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh3TeTxgNVo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 12, 2016, 02:14:25 PM

Quote

INFINITY 1 year ago
 I am so glad you made this video I am a 45 year old Black man and I can tell you racism is a lot worse now than it has been in my life time as a child in the 70's I have lived in an all white neighborhood in the deep South and everyone was very nice to me several of the families would even take me on fishing trips and picnics and never once did I experience any racial hatred.We drove around the country a lot because my father was in the military and we never once were we pulled over.What changed in this country was the death of the fairness doctrine after it was killed by Reagan that was when all these right wing nuts went on the radio with no opposing view and starting making outrageous claims about minorities and convincing whites that they were getting something they were not. That they were all getting affirmative action benefits or were on welfare.The only way to end this nonsense is to bring back the fairness doctrine 

Also, do you think Noam Chomsky ever turns down a request to do an interview for a documentary?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 12, 2016, 02:49:45 PM

I am quite pleased to see Bernie get the MoveOn.org endorsement

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Tasty on January 12, 2016, 03:51:56 PM

That's actually kind of brilliant. :lol

What a troll.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 12, 2016, 04:39:36 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/i-m-loving-it (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/i-m-loving-it)

This is some Parks & Rec shit  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 12, 2016, 10:16:55 PM

State of The Union

I'm gonna miss that guy
(http://i.imgur.com/fJrbtPY.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2016, 11:56:25 PM

http://mediamatters.org/research/2016/01/12/worst-right-wing-media-reactions-to-obamas-fina/207939

 :comeon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 13, 2016, 12:21:36 AM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/01/04/opinion/campaign-stops/trump-did-not-break-politics.html

Use FPTP y'all.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 13, 2016, 12:23:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/IklA08r.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 13, 2016, 02:05:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/AGI8hK1.jpg)

:obama

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 13, 2016, 02:49:49 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 13, 2016, 12:23:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/IklA08r.jpg?1)

Made in USA by union workers though? :hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 13, 2016, 04:14:28 PM

also that hat is fake lol
inb4 *whoooosh*

also hilldog taking shots at bernie over HC
buckle up

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Trent Dole on January 13, 2016, 06:13:57 PM

Her attacking at all means Bernie is now seen as a credible valid threat. :punch

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 13, 2016, 06:33:22 PM

Most recent round of polls has the Clinton camp in shaken mode I'm guessing

Still don't see Bernie winning the nomination tho

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 13, 2016, 06:38:02 PM

yeah, seems dumb for Hillary to go out on the attack at this point. All she's doing is giving him media time and making herself look desperate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2016, 06:38:29 PM

Man, Iowa really doesn't like her huh. Third place in 08, now she's losing to Sanders there.

I maintain that once the states become browner, Sanders is toast.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 13, 2016, 06:45:46 PM

It's idiotic to have Iowa go first. I mean you'd be hard pressed to find a state less representative of the population of the united states.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 13, 2016, 06:55:20 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on January 13, 2016, 06:45:46 PM

It's idiotic to have Iowa go first. I mean you'd be hard pressed to find a state less representative of the population of the united states.

Utah

:jawalrus

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on January 13, 2016, 06:57:32 PM

True, but if you said, "Hey, let's have Utah (or Idaho or Montana or Wyoming) go first!"
You'd be laughed out of the room.
Yet Iowa doesn't bat an eye.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 13, 2016, 06:58:46 PM

dat corn tho

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 07:01:53 PM

Iowa and NH's laws call for them to move ahead of any state that attempts to go before them.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 13, 2016, 07:07:14 PM

Someone remind me why don't they do the primaries all at once?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 13, 2016, 07:11:42 PM

Wouldn't that be expensive, thus benefitting candidates with the most money? Focusing on four states first, and then moving to large contests, seems a lot more fair.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 07:14:38 PM

It'd be too costly for candidates.

The GOP attempted to do a regional primary* where each it'd be one-fourth of the U.S. every second week or something (the order rotating every year) but the state parties and Democrats put the kibosh on it. The "early states" have their tradition written into the law too.

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(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1d/RegionalPlanSVG.svg/450px-RegionalPlanSVG.svg.png)

The GOP also considered implementing this, where each color would be held the same day, notice the states increase in size population wise from red to yellow to green to blue:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Delaware_Plan.svg/450px-Delaware_Plan.svg.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 13, 2016, 07:15:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 07:01:53 PM

Iowa and NH's laws call for them to move ahead of any state that attempts to go before them.

I'd like to see a date race so that the primaries get scheduled for last year thus making the results known now. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 07:16:56 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 13, 2016, 07:15:26 PM

I'd like to see a date race so that the primaries get scheduled for last year thus making the results known now.

This basically happened in 2008, which is why the DNC and RNC either eliminated or cut in half the number of delegates for Michigan, Florida, etc.

And I think Iowa was like Jan 3rd or something.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 07:36:01 PM

This cycle is actually a bit more ideal or at least interestingly designed than ones in the past for the GOP. Iowa, NH, Nevada and SC all get their turns, then you have March 1st Super Tuesday and all of these are proportionally allocated. Then from that point it's a mad dash through the rest of the states with almost a state a week. The real problem still is on the backend, they should move April 26th and June 7th both forward a month along with everything else inbetween. Then you'd basically run through all the states March 1st through early May with at least one state each week and with four or five "big" weeks of five plus states.

It's not like many candidates will hang on past March 1st anyway.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 13, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzMKqysuCM8

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 13, 2016, 08:05:58 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on January 13, 2016, 07:48:41 PM

What I'd like to see is the DNC play hardball with New Hampshire and Iowa. They repeal the laws mandating that they go first, or they lose all their delegates.

All 70 out of 3636 total DNC delegates? You monster.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 14, 2016, 01:13:13 AM

Rand Paul says (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/265731-rand-paul-gop-is-responsible-for-my-debate-exclusion) he's being kept out of the debate by the GOP establishment because of his "unique voice" and that his supporters are "liberty voters."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 01:19:01 AM

He's obviously overselling but I do think the GOP doesn't mind not having his foreign policy up there. Especially after he got into the extended scuffle with Rubio in the last one (?) and in one earlier Trump and Carson jumped in with him on knockin W's foreign policy, leading to Jeb's HE KEPT US SAFE.

The drug thing is a bit silly, he's been pretty milquetoast on that when it comes to debate answer time, especially as others are being even more "rah rah drug war!" and compared to his dad's answer four years back:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSR4XsyD-Ow

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 01:25:16 AM

These are just debate clips from his channel, I imagine they wouldn't mind these distractions being off the stage so they could focus on the real issues like the German people's overthrow of Angela Merkel:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9exfIk8bOGw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f6DmR0R1ak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nldU_cfflVQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns1njaMZKVs

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 14, 2016, 01:39:53 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 01:19:01 AM

He's obviously overselling but

Nah.  He's trying to turn failure into martyrdom.  I can't blame him for doing it, but I will have a nice chuckle.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brob on January 14, 2016, 01:44:59 AM

https://twitter.com/DOPEITSTOM/status/687446700173168640

The 13th Five Year Plan song was better :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 01:50:08 AM

Quote from: Mandark on January 14, 2016, 01:39:53 AM

Nah.  He's trying to turn failure into martyrdom.  I can't blame him for doing it, but I will have a nice chuckle.

I imagine there's some real frustration that he's not even doing as well as his dad did.

And against people like Donald Trump.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 14, 2016, 02:00:32 AM

You have to think his campaign was imagining a scenario in which they inherited his dad's supporters and all their insane zealotry passion and enthusiasm, but also brought in more mainstream or moderate Republicans, especially the young ones.  Sound a bit less strident, compromise on a couple key issues, and you can patch together a viable coalition.  Instead it's all gone the other way.

Would be interested in seeing who former Ron Paul voters are supporting now, but answers to "who did you vote for 4 and 8 years ago?" tend to be really unreliable so we could never know.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 02:12:55 AM

That was absolutely their plan, and why Rand was doing some minor sucking up to groups Ron never would have talked to. And trying the whole "constitutional conservative" label.

From my own personal experience they've run to Cruz and Trump and a handful to Sanders. There's a good chunk of that going "if Rand gets competitive again though..." like he was pre-Trump when he was around 10% vs. 15% for Jeb and Walker.

To pull a myself...just from the comments on the last Ron Paul LIBERTY REPORT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Zn4pVqVOo

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Thomas McIndoe 3 weeks ago
 You and anti Trump crowd yell, "Trump s telling voters what they want to hear". WELL, Why don't the other candidates tell the voters what they want to hear, Why, because they believe the status quo in the answer,AND ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM.

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Kalki 3 weeks ago
 Ron Paul is a nice guy. Great guy. But he doesn't know a leader when he sees one. Sad.

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Brennt Ramoutarius 3 weeks ago
 I like you Ron Paul but Donald Trump has the hard truth

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sheehan1able 3 weeks ago
 common Ron we need you to join Trump not bitch him

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Joseph Ureneck 3 weeks ago
 Sad to say that Ron is off on numerous issues  concerning Trump. Have to chalk it up to his personal stake in the election.

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George Houghtby 3 weeks ago
 If Rand had been saying the same things as Trump - Rand would be on top right now.

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TheOrigen89 3 weeks ago
 Ron is just buttblasted because neither he nor his son could ever develop the popularity that Trump has.

Ron is a decent guy but libertarianism is a dead end. Trump is the way forward.

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OFFICALcock 3 weeks ago
 I supported Ron all throughout my early years as a voter, ashamed to say that your son is an establishment bootlicker who is unfit for the presidency. Trump is my new guy. -Former Libertarian

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Knight Artorias 3 weeks ago
 He isn't wrong, and I respect his opinion. But the Rubicon has been crossed by the left this past year, the time for talk has passed, our liberties are beyond saving if we allow this to go on much longer.

Trump is, the best candidate for the current system and situation.

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Solzhenitsyn's Beard 3 weeks ago (edited)
 Ron, I love ya', but I feel like you are off-base here.

I agree strongly with a lot of the principles behind your economic philosophy and your views on the role of government in general, but they are not going to resonate with Latin American Mestizos and Sunni Arabs. Trump is not perfect, I disagree with some of his stances, but he is the only one offering a platform that can possibly save the republic. We can argue about tariffs and the income tax when the United States retains an 80% white majority and is not busy trying to start WWIII. You can argue that Trump is a "one-issue" politician, but I believe that is disingenuous as his issue--immigration--ties into almost every single matter of governance. Issues that whites typically champion; states' rights, responsible/small government, and low taxation (ie libertarian issues) will die when La Raza gains plurality and then majority in this country (think Brazil). I acknowledge that big government and crony-capitalist policies are factors that got the United States in this situation to begin with, but I do not think anarcho-capitalism is going to bring us out of this mess.

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DrRamer2 3 weeks ago
 Mr Paul we are on the road to authoritarianism. Unless we rise up a take down the system we have 2 choices right leaning authoritarianism or left leaning authoritarianism. I choose right leaning and Donald Trump. Well what is considered right at the current time. The main problem we have right now is demographic displacement. The millions of Hispanics who have invaded our country in the last few decades don't care about smaller government or our liberties. Neither do the Muslims how have invaded our country or the blacked who are breeding like rabbits at tax payer expense. Oh and neither does the Democratic Party which all of this groups vote for overwhelming. In fact the only group that does care about those things in any substantial numbers are white people. And if you don't want your grandchildren to live in Brazil 2.0 you will get off your high horse. Because right leaning authoritarianism is the only way to slow down and maybe even reveres the real problem to liberty, the left.

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Jon Doe 3 weeks ago
 RAND PAUL DOESNT SEE ANY REASON TO LABEL GMO'S  ..HE DOESNT GIVE A SHIT ABOUT US

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MrMorethanexist 3 weeks ago
 Now I always thought Ron Paul was one of the good guys - but if he were true to his 'advertised' principles he too would be supporting TRUMP.......but he would rather hand the election to the democrats. TRUMP is your only choice folks.

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filmsforpeace 3 weeks ago
 Nice try Ron Paul but your time has come and gone.  Get with the program, Trump has my vote.  thumbs down, say something relevant not distinguished mentally-challenged.

There's also a good chunk of "your son isn't as good as you, he's a person who believes in the development and protection of a Jewish nation stooge" but I just plucked the pro-Trump ones.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 07:20:03 AM

I'd bet a large amount of former Ron Paul supporters are now supporting Trump or Sanders. For them it's not about ideology it's about perceptions of outsider status, authenticity, and just being difficult/contradictory as fuck. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 08:20:27 AM

MSNBC's reporters switched beats for a week: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hello-the-other-side-when-2016-reporters-swapped-beats

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What stood out most talking to voters?

Benjy: I was caught off guard by how specific and personal Democratic voters’ issues tended to be. One woman told me she had lost a job because she had to take care of a sick relative and wanted paid family leave. Another woman told me her insurance stopped covering a certain medication that had grown too expensive and she liked how Clinton and Sanders talked about lowering drug prices. One man told me his wages were stagnant at his hotel job and he was looking for policies to increase them.

“We’re talking about bread-and-butter issues,” Phyllis Thede, an Iowa state representative backing Clinton, told me when I asked about her constituents’ top concerns.

By contrast, Republican voters tend to be excited by more abstract issues: One of the most common answers I get from Cruz voters when I ask about their leading concern is “the Constitution.” There are fewer “I have a specific problem in my own life, and I’d like the government to do x about it” responses.

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Which issues did voters bring up the most?

Alex: One word: ISIS. Though New Hampshire and Iowa are thousands of miles from Syia, Paris or San Bernardino, terrorism and national security was easily the most important issue on the minds of Republican voters I talked to. It wasn’t even close. “If you don’t have national security, nothing else really matters,” Sandra Nueberger told me at a Cruz town hall in Mason City, Iowa.

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Was it different reporting on the other side?

Benjy: Goodbye, access! I e-mailed a Clinton aide before the candidate’s Iowa tour to ask which of her stops were most likely to include a “media avail,” which is shorthand for a brief Q&A with reporters. The aide sounded confused by the question. When I talked to the candidate’s traveling press corps the next day, they told me Clinton hadn’t held an avail with them for a month.

In Sanders’ case, I attended what the campaign billed as a “press conference” on paid family leave on Friday. After speaking for a bit on the topic, Sanders asked the reporters if they had any questions, waited just under two seconds, and then, before anyone could respond, he moved onto an audience member’s question and left without talking to us. It was bizarre.

Based on my experience covering Republicans, Alex, I’m guessing your week was different?

Alex: Hello, access! I’ve covered Hillary Clinton for more than a year and half and gotten only a tiny handful of questions answered by the candidate and very limited personal interaction with her. But for Republicans, ironically, considering their love of bashing the media, the press is a crucial potential ally to be courted, not a liability. I participated in four media avails in as many days with GOP candidates, and I was always able to watch them work crowds up close. The one exception was Trump, who now has Secret Service protection, but he gives out interviews like candy at Halloween.

In his stump speech, Cruz says that under his administration, newspaper reporters and editors will be forced to “check themselves into therapy,” presumably because he’ll put the media in its place. But – and I’m sorry to reveal this, Sen. Cruz – his traveling press corps was perhaps the most content I’ve encountered and gets along swimmingly with the senator and his staff. (It also might be too late for reporters to start therapy.) Bush has also made a point of being very accessible, and he and his team have good relations with the press.

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First of all, how does the world not know that Trump, who seems eager to end the GOP primary with a testosterone-measuring contest, chooses to score his raucous mega-rallies with Andrew Lloyd Webber? All of his events begin and end with “The Music of the Night” from the “Phantom of the Opera” and “Memory” from “Cats” (a song about a former “Glamour cat”), along with some Adele tunes. Perhaps that’s real authenticity? Easily the most surprisingly bit of my week.

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Bush was almost exactly as advertised, competent and reasonable, though funnier than on television. Unfortunately for him, the skills required to run for president are only tangentially related to the skills required to be president. He seemed to view humans from the detached view of a think tank fellow. When a woman at a town hall in Meredith, New Hampshire, shared a heart-wrenching story about her daughter’s murder, Bush addressed her policy question on gun control before her personal story. “OK, well. I’m happy to answer that and my heart goes out to you and your family,” he said. The conclusion to his answer invoked a famous moment from a Hollywood presidential candidate: “I’m sorry for your loss. Look, there’s lots of crazy things going on in this world each and every day,” Bush said.

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Ted Cruz’s stump speech seems reverse-engineered after a careful study of the conservative base. It’s a clever format, inviting his audience to imagine the opening hours and days of a Cruz administration as he ticks through a right-wing wish-list of actions. But it loses some of its magic when you see it more than once, since he delivers it exactly the same – intonation, jokes, pauses and all – at stop after stop. Every politician has a stump, but this is different.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: tiesto on January 14, 2016, 09:23:02 AM

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Which issues did voters bring up the most?

Alex: One word: ISIS. Though New Hampshire and Iowa are thousands of miles from Syia, Paris or San Bernardino, terrorism and national security was easily the most important issue on the minds of Republican voters I talked to. It wasn’t even close. “If you don’t have national security, nothing else really matters,” Sandra Nueberger told me at a Cruz town hall in Mason City, Iowa.

This stuff confuses me... When I think terrorist targets, Iowa isn't exactly the first place that comes to mind...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2016, 09:26:48 AM

Tfw you realize ISIS doesn't even know what an iowa is :fbm

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 14, 2016, 10:40:00 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 13, 2016, 06:58:46 PM

dat corn tho

http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=19000

A socialist utopia and of course a red state.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 11:31:23 AM

Nice reporting, Benji.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Kara on January 14, 2016, 11:53:50 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 14, 2016, 10:40:00 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 13, 2016, 06:58:46 PM

dat corn tho

http://farm.ewg.org/region.php?fips=19000

A socialist utopia and of course a red state.

I was reading about free trade disputes recently and had to smugly chuckle at the welfare our cotton farmers receive. (If you want guaranteed income sell on a futures contract or become a doctor.) America, America never changes.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 14, 2016, 01:40:32 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 11:31:23 AM

Nice reporting, Benji.

I'm undercover using the pseudonym.  :shh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2016, 07:26:42 PM

Lou Dobbs really trying to sell this undercard debate. So fury, such jabs, wow Carly! Hillary and Trump might not recover from that beating. :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2016, 08:45:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDPIOxc6A8o

Remember when people were actually trying to push Fiorina as a viable GOP alternative to Hillary? :heh

Edit: And here's the comment Fiorina made during the debates that prompted the question:

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"You know, I'm not a political insider. I haven't spent my lifetime running for office. The truth is I have had and been blessed by a lot of opportunity to do a lot of things in my life," Fiorina said in her statement. "And unlike another woman in this race, I actually love spending time with my husband."

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: sarslip on January 14, 2016, 08:53:11 PM

http://youtu.be/vPRfP_TEQ-g

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 14, 2016, 09:37:48 PM

So Trump and Cruz just offered VP to each other...  :'(

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 09:51:06 PM

BENJI ALERT
:drudge

Carson just lamented the fact that internet comments sections are full of divisiveness and namecalling

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 14, 2016, 10:36:39 PM

Debate was kinda fun when Trump went birther on Cruz, but then it just turned into "bomb everyone, kill all terrorists!" and I kinda tuned out.

It's funny that all the candidates' strategies for dealing with foreign powers is "We'll make our military so powerful, no one will mess with us!" and for dealing with terrorism is "We'll bomb until there's nothing left!". Umm, yeah didn't we try both of those strategies, I dunno, fairly recently and neither one particularly worked? Remember "shock and awe"? Remember GWB telling the DPRK"WE WANT DEAL!" but they just shrugged and walked away and tested nukes anyway and we couldn't do shit? But we're supposed to believe Ben Carson is gonna knuckle down on Putin and restore peace in the middle east? :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 14, 2016, 10:56:33 PM

Eagerly awaits Kara's response to the Cruz v Rubio debate over a 10% flat tax v a 16% VAT that "eliminates the payroll tax and corporate taxes"  :doge :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 15, 2016, 12:42:11 AM

https://soundcloud.com/buzzfeedandrew/rand-paul-on-glenn-beck-show

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Prominent conservative radio host Glenn Beck took Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul to task on his radio show Thursday for questioning Canadian-born Texas Sen. Ted Cruz’s eligibility to be president.

In the interview, Paul admitted after much prodding that he thought a court would most likely decide Cruz to be eligible for the presidency, but maintained that it was an open question.

Right off the bat, Paul found himself on the defense against Beck, who has notably supported Paul in the past.

“I have real respect for you and you are a constitutional expert. I mean that’s why I like you. And you’ve done something that I just don’t understand, that I just didn’t expect. I expected it from Rubio. I expected it from everybody, but I didn’t expect it from you,” said Beck to Paul on Thursday. “And that’s this birther nonsense with Ted Cruz where you joke — and I accept the joke at first, ‘eh, might be a good prime minister in Canada,’ I accept the joke — but then when you’re pushed on it you say, ‘well, I’m not a constitutional expert. I don’t know.’ Come on man, yes you do. Yes you do.”

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“Well, I think the reason that nobody really knows the answer is it’s never been adjudicated,” Paul said. “You know, we’ve never had a nominee or a president who wasn’t born in the United States. I’m not saying that he isn’t eligible. I’m simply saying that Democrats of course will bring this up and it will have to be adjudicated because it’s never happened before.”

Beck cut off Paul, citing John McCain and Barry Goldwater. Goldwater was born in Arizona when it was just a U.S. territory and McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone.

“The court decided in those cases that U.S. territories were part of the U.S. and Canada, frankly, is not a U.S. territory,” Paul answered.

“If you’re not a constitutional scholar, if you’re not a constitutional expert, then what the hell are we voting for you for,” Beck said to Paul.

Paul responded, “If we want debate what a natural born citizen is, you have to go back to either what the Founding Fathers said or the constitutional convention said, and the bottom line is it is ambiguous, and when things are ambiguous…”

Beck cut him off, saying, “Let me ask this question, what does Rand Paul say, not what the courts say, what does — you know you’ve studied this out in your head enough. If you weren’t running for president of the United States and I understand the politics of it, I really do, but if you weren’t running for president of the United States, come on man, if we’re justing sitting in a room together, what would you say? Is he qualified to run for president or not?”

“If I had to guess I would say the courts, in all likelihood, will say yes, but I would say that no court has ever decided what it means to be natural born with regards to eligibility of the president,” said Paul. “I think it’s an open question as far as the courts are concerned.”

rand u can't hold all these L's man

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 15, 2016, 12:42:44 AM

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Ben Carson criticized Barack Obama for being naive on foreign policy, but in doing so outlined a terrifying scenario in which a nuclear blast takes out America's electric grid while they're also using dirty bombs to attack and using cyber attacks to take down American computer systems.

"I mean, just think about a scenario like that. They explode the bomb, we have an electromagnetic pulse. They hit us with a cyberattack simultaneously and dirty bombs," he said. "Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue at that point? He needs to recognize that those kinds of things are in fact an existential threat to us."

:doge

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Ben Carson droppin' spoilers for the next Call of Duty out of nowhere

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EDIT: videah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKp3poc1Xw

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 15, 2016, 01:03:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fr7FTwRw2Mw

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On Thursday, Fiorina claimed that the U.S. does not provide “any” military hardware to its allies in the Middle East.

...

During the debate, Fiorina listed a series of U.S. allies [Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan, Egypt, UAE, The Kurds] in the Middle East and said she “knows virtually all” of their leaders.

“They have asked us for very specific kinds of support,” Fiorina said. “Bombs, materiel, arms, intelligence. We are not providing any of it today. I will provide all of it.”

 :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 15, 2016, 01:06:26 AM

:lol what a circus

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Post by: sarslip on January 15, 2016, 08:26:04 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on January 14, 2016, 09:37:48 PM

So Trump and Cruz just offered VP to each other

(http://images.clipartpanda.com/peanut-butter-sandwich-clipart-how-to-make-a-peanut-butter-and-jelly-sandwich-2.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 15, 2016, 09:06:47 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/eWUQ9eb.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: tiesto on January 15, 2016, 09:26:38 AM

Hey if New York values mean being secular, liberal and in support of gay marriage... that's fine by me!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 15, 2016, 09:51:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYhtNM0irZ0

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 15, 2016, 09:51:49 AM

That whole debate was a shit storm with practically no discussion of real policies. It had the nuance of a DBZ battle. By the end they were mostly trying to be chummy though so I guess they don't want to be remembered as the angriest/pettiest dude in the room with two weeks to go. Except for Christie of course, he went total asshole.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2016, 10:04:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 15, 2016, 12:42:44 AM

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Ben Carson criticized Barack Obama for being naive on foreign policy, but in doing so outlined a terrifying scenario in which a nuclear blast takes out America's electric grid while they're also using dirty bombs to attack and using cyber attacks to take down American computer systems.

"I mean, just think about a scenario like that. They explode the bomb, we have an electromagnetic pulse. They hit us with a cyberattack simultaneously and dirty bombs," he said. "Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue at that point? He needs to recognize that those kinds of things are in fact an existential threat to us."

:doge

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Ben Carson droppin' spoilers for the next Call of Duty out of nowhere

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EDIT: videah
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASKp3poc1Xw

Pretty sure Ben Carson was telling us about a dream he just had. The guy fell asleep half-way through a question later on.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: octopushover on January 15, 2016, 10:27:20 AM

every night i watch episodes from season 6 of the west wing because i want to disappear into their fictional, policy-centered primaries.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 15, 2016, 10:52:53 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXoLaMhx-zI

Vote for who shares your ideals, your dreams, just don't vote for the Canadian ~ Matt Santos. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 15, 2016, 11:16:13 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=738HwgNo7Ls

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 15, 2016, 01:02:43 PM

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Senator Lindsey Graham Is expected to endorse former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush for president this morning, according to a source familiar with the plans.

JEBMENTIUM

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Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2016, 01:15:55 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 15, 2016, 01:02:43 PM

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Senator Lindsey Graham Is expected to endorse former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush for president this morning, according to a source familiar with the plans.

JEBMENTIUM

Look at banner Jeb!

(http://i.imgur.com/G0qbd7y.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Steve Contra on January 15, 2016, 02:10:24 PM

My main take away from last night is the GOP has no problem starting WWIII because a few sailors were detained for 16 hours for entering foreign waters but cops killing unarmed black people is whatever let them do their job.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 15, 2016, 02:38:34 PM

Yeah the soldiers did exactly what they were supposed to do when your vessel breaks down and drifts over the border. You apologize for the distress it's causing and ask for help.

I really don't get what the Republican candidates thought the soldiers should do in that situation. Get behind a machine gun and act hard when you're outnumbered and one of your boats can't move? Would any navy in the world tow them to port if they did that?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 15, 2016, 02:42:46 PM

Well the Iranians acting like any other nation ruins the villain narrative the Republicans have going.  Pretty sure they would have been over joyed had the Iranians actually taken them as hostages.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 15, 2016, 02:49:39 PM

Yeah they must be pissed off that recent diplomacy led to that situation being handled swiftly and cleanly. Bu by but diplomacy makes us look weak

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Steve Contra on January 15, 2016, 03:09:15 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on January 15, 2016, 02:49:39 PM

Yeah they must be pissed off that recent diplomacy led to that situation being handled swiftly and cleanly. Bu by but diplomacy makes us look weak

Apparently the immediate capitulation of the Iranians is a show of Obama's weakness.  They would have kept them prisoner and possibly executed a few if we had a real leader.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 15, 2016, 04:03:44 PM

I thought that debate was a lot worse than the most recent ones. Not only the questions but the answers struck me as unhinged more often than not. IIRC the second question was about the recent market jitters and how a president can reassure the market/Wall Street. In reality the Dow has more than doubled since January 2009, and the current fears are exclusively focused on the global market/China.

There were multiple questions like that, and the answers were equally ridiculous. Worse yet nearly every candidate had something utterly extreme to say about either Obama or Hillary Clinton's marriage or whether Hillary and Obama essentially committed treason. Kaisch and Bush sounded like the only candidates who could appeal to a general electorate, and both of them didn't do particularly well in the debate overall.

Most interesting part was Rubio napalm bombing Cruz. I wonder if it'll have any impact on things. Cruz seems to be betting that Rubio's former support of immigration reform is going to invalidate anything he says.

Speaking of Rubio and bullshit statements, the comment that Obama is more interested in funding Planned Parenthood than the fucking military...jesus. One glance at a US budget would clear that up.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 15, 2016, 06:22:15 PM

RE: soldiers

http://www.steynonline.com/7420/the-humiliation

A take on it from the GOAT Mark Steyn

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Yeti on January 15, 2016, 10:27:23 PM

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/688081610810327040 (https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/688081610810327040)

amiibogate

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 15, 2016, 10:43:46 PM

Quote from: Yeti on January 15, 2016, 10:27:23 PM

https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/688081610810327040 (https://twitter.com/Wario64/status/688081610810327040)

amiibogate

Obama lied, resale value died.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2016, 10:45:59 PM

Jebus flipplin Christ. Wario64 has 27k followers?  :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Oblivion on January 15, 2016, 11:26:01 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2016, 08:45:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDPIOxc6A8o

Remember when people were actually trying to push Fiorina as a viable GOP alternative to Hillary? :heh

Edit: And here's the comment Fiorina made during the debates that prompted the question:

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"You know, I'm not a political insider. I haven't spent my lifetime running for office. The truth is I have had and been blessed by a lot of opportunity to do a lot of things in my life," Fiorina said in her statement. "And unlike another woman in this race, I actually love spending time with my husband."

:neogaf

Like I said before, in many ways, Carly's the most revolting GOP candidate. Look at the way she's making that stupid smug smile and bobbing her head around. She's a goddamned spoiled child.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2016, 02:09:36 AM

Fiorina is gonna make so much money if Clinton is elected lol. The market for "conservative white women who defend sexism while attacking Clinton on gender grounds" is gonna be lucrative.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 16, 2016, 01:55:35 PM

edit : a

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Steve Contra on January 16, 2016, 02:38:05 PM

I met a black libertarian last night.  Apparently making a joke about jaywalking is an invitation to lay out an entire political philosophy :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2016, 04:35:55 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 16, 2016, 02:38:05 PM

I met a black libertarian last night.  Apparently making a joke about jaywalking is an invitation to lay out an entire political philosophy :doge

So what /does/ AiA look like, for reals?  :-*

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 05:12:36 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-terrorists-freed-by-obama-1452901430

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The Obama administration in recent days has proclaimed a “milestone” in its efforts to close the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, after achieving its long-held goal of reducing the remaining population to fewer than 100 detainees. With the expedited release this month of 14 detainees, the total now stands at 93.

This is nothing to celebrate.

In reducing these numbers, the White House has freed dangerous terrorists and set aside military and intelligence assessments warning about the risks of doing so. The Obama administration has deceived recipient countries about the threats posed by the jihadists they’ve accepted. And President Obama has repeatedly misled the American people about Guantanamo, the detainees held there, and the consequences of releasing them.

On Jan. 6, as part of the Obama administration’s accelerated Guantanamo process, Mahmmoud Omar Mohammed Bin Atef was transferred to Ghana, along with another detainee named Khalid Mohammed Salih al Dhuby. Ghana’s government portrayed the deal as an act of “humanitarian assistance,” likening the Yemeni men to nonthreatening refugees from Rwanda and Syria, noting that they “were detained in Guantanamo but have been cleared of any involvement in terrorist activities, and are being released.”

...

Most ominously, the report warns that he “has threatened to kill US citizens on multiple occasions including a specific threat to cut their throats upon release.”

The obvious question: Why did officials in Ghana claim that Mr. Atef had been “cleared”? Perhaps because that is what the Obama administration led them to believe. Jojo Bruce-Quansah, the information minister at Ghana’s embassy in Washington, D.C., told us that the U.S. government provided assurances that Mr. Atef was “never involved in terrorism” and presented little risk. “If that assurance was not there,” he said, there is “no way” his government “would have taken the detainees.”

How does the White House square the intelligence assessment of Mr. Atef with the assurances the administration gave Ghana? Myles Caggins, a spokesman for the National Security Council, wouldn’t address that question directly, instead telling us that Mr. Obama’s Guantanamo Review Task Force, which included officials from six government agencies, approved him for transfer “nearly six years ago.” Mr. Caggins declined to address the damning JTF-GTMO assessment.

But there is another problem with Mr. Caggins’s explanation. The president’s Guantanamo task force, which finished its work in January 2010, didn’t clear either Mr. Atef or Mr. Dhuby of involvement in terrorist activities, nor did the task force recommend their release.

The Obama administration is understandably reluctant to be forthcoming about the risks associated with closing Guantanamo—because the risks are significant. If the two detainees released to Ghana, or any of the 10 Yemeni men sent from Guantanamo to Oman on Thursday, return to waging jihad, they will hardly be alone among their former fellow detainees. According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, 196 ex-detainees are now confirmed as, or suspected of, having returned to the fight; 122 of these recidivists are currently at-large.

...

In July 2010, Ibrahim al Qosi, a high-risk detainee who had served Osama bin Laden in a variety of roles, accepted a favorable plea agreement from military prosecutors. Two years later, he was transferred to his home country of Sudan. By 2014 he had joined al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), which has repeatedly tried to strike the U.S. Last month AQAP revealed that Mr. Qosi has become one of its senior leaders.

...

Mr. Obama’s obfuscation is not limited to his specious claim about Guantanamo’s importance for jihadist recruitment. In an interview last month with Yahoo News, the president said he expected that “a handful” of detainees would return to the fight once freed. “The bottom line,” he said, “is that the strategic gains we make by closing Guantanamo will outweigh, you know, those low-level individuals who, you know, have been released so far.”

As the numbers from the Director of National Intelligence and the examples above make clear, that’s simply not true. Nearly 200 former detainees have returned to jihad or are suspected of having done so, and they include senior leaders of al Qaeda and the Taliban.

In a quest to burnish his record by fulfilling a campaign promise to close Guantanamo, President Obama is courting a dangerous legacy.

(http://i.imgur.com/aO2UA0L.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2016, 06:36:47 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 05:12:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/aO2UA0L.jpg)

I didn't know Obama was a western rpg game developer
 :expert

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 06:41:52 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tavis-smiley-obama-black-wealth_569820dbe4b0ce496423f053

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TAVIS SMILEY: Sadly, and it pains me to say this, over the last decade black folk, in the era of Obama have lost ground in every major economic category. Not one, two or three [categories], but every major economic category, black americans have lost ground...

Although black folk have caught the most hell in the last 10 years, including being shot and killed in the streets by cops who keep getting away with that... black people are still the most optimistic people, they're still the most hopeful about their future. That has a lot to do with our faith, with our belief in each other, with our love for Barack Obama...

We've been so caught up in the symbolism of the Obama presidency, we haven't pressed as hard as we should on the substance of this presidency... Black people and black leaders have been too deferential to this president. They've been deferential because they know he was being piled on by the Republicans. They saw the obstructionism. They saw the name calling… They've heard about the death threats, they've seen people breaking into the white house and climbing the fence, stuff that never happened with white presidents. So there's a skepticism, if not a cynicism, about what's happened to this president on his watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j11BwioBeN8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIc014b491Y

Finally, somebody stands up and says what we're all thinking.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2016, 07:16:16 PM

Smiley still mad Obama won't go on his show anymore  :doge

I don't think he's wrong about black people struggling over the last decade, the numbers speak for themselves. However my question remains "what should have been done" because there are no easy, 8 year solutions to the structural problems here.

He then claims Obama tackled health care before the economy which isn't really accurate (the stimulus?). Yea you could argue other measures should have been taken and I wouldn't disagree. But the ACA is pretty important and has helped black people. And guess what: it would help a lot more if not for southern GOP governors refusing to expand Medicaid...

In terms of Obama's handling of race issues...what can you do. Do I like it? Of course not. But he can't say much without an immediate backlash, and attaining a second term was more important than being Chuck D. That entire beer-gate fiasco really showed that (white) people cannot discuss race intelligently in most cases.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2016, 07:22:52 PM

I always forget about the beer summit. Obama's first "slow news summer crisis" I think?

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Obama had a Bud Light, Crowley had a Blue Moon, Gates had a Sam Adams Light and Biden, who does not drink alcohol, had a Buckler, which is a low-alcohol beer. Some local brewers had lobbied for a Boston-based beer to be served; Obama is generally said to prefer Budweiser.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c3/Beer_summit_cheers.jpg/640px-Beer_summit_cheers.jpg)

Arrogant Obama ignores elderly man while heroic cop helps him down the stairs:
(http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/obama-beer-summit.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2016, 04:35:10 PM

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I apologize if this seems silly, but, personally, the first red flag post governance was when Snyder made “The Dark Knight Rises” leave Michigan. He’s supposed to be a nerd… what the hell, man?! But all he saw was the numbers. He didn’t see how giving a movie of that magnitude tax breaks and incentives helped Detroit and its surrounding areas. The caterers, restaurateurs, trinket store owners, tour guides, Pure Michigan, cab drivers, Meijer, Eastern Market, and the residents could, but not the governor… okay.

https://rufiojones.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/i-wanted-rick-snyder-to-succeed/

 :doge

tell me Benji, was that also the moment you realized The Nerd betrayed us like George Lucas?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2016, 11:11:29 PM

Just realized Rahm Emmanuel hasn't been mentioned once at a democrat debate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 17, 2016, 11:58:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUMAyiI0TPA

45 mins in Colin Powell talking about how when you demonize someone you raise expectations that you know how to deal with that person.  Totally reminded me of the current feeling of ISIS. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 18, 2016, 09:13:40 AM

Why is Snyder not being carried by a mob to the proverbial stockade in the public square?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 18, 2016, 03:44:47 PM

From today at Liberty U.:

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"The Art of the Deal is second to the Bible," Trump said, referring to his own book.

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 06:29:27 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/266222-top-google-debate-question-will-hillary-be-prosecuted

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Some of the top trending questions on Google during Sunday's Democratic presidential debate related to Hillary Clinton's legal troubles.
 
"Will Hillary Clinton get prosecuted?" is the top question being asked on Google searches concerning the Democratic front-runner during the debate, in Charleston, S.C.
 
...
 
And the top trending question for third-place candidate Martin O'Malley is, "Why is Martin O'Malley running for president?"

:delicious

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 06:33:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 17, 2016, 04:35:10 PM

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I apologize if this seems silly, but, personally, the first red flag post governance was when Snyder made “The Dark Knight Rises” leave Michigan. He’s supposed to be a nerd… what the hell, man?! But all he saw was the numbers. He didn’t see how giving a movie of that magnitude tax breaks and incentives helped Detroit and its surrounding areas. The caterers, restaurateurs, trinket store owners, tour guides, Pure Michigan, cab drivers, Meijer, Eastern Market, and the residents could, but not the governor… okay.

https://rufiojones.wordpress.com/2016/01/15/i-wanted-rick-snyder-to-succeed/

 :doge

tell me Benji, was that also the moment you realized The Nerd betrayed us like George Lucas?

I don't think I could have handled the second half of the film where everyone spends an hour running around the same empty streets.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2016, 10:05:27 PM

But Joker would have crashed Bruce Wayne's fancy party with a switchblade and a bottle of red Faygo.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 10:09:52 PM

That was The Dark Knight, not Rises! Pittsburgh can have that stain on its record.

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There was a rumor that TDKR had something like $50+ million in tax credits when all the locations were added up.

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 11:14:27 PM

Palin likely endorsing Trump in Iowa tomorrow.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 18, 2016, 11:16:51 PM

Well that goes to show what I remember about Rises.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 12:20:14 AM

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3385406/posts

(http://i.imgur.com/ybIlWFZ.gif)

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And all of the Cruz kids will gnash their teeth, scream that she’s a liberal, and cry themselves to sleep.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Atramental on January 19, 2016, 12:21:41 AM

Well fuck a duck...  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2016, 08:56:54 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/how-donald-trump-defeats-hillary-clinton-217868

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2016, 09:38:09 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 19, 2016, 08:56:54 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/how-donald-trump-defeats-hillary-clinton-217868

Trump has a great relationship with the blacks, says noted truth-knower Frank Luntz.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2016, 09:43:45 AM

A selective description of him also polls great against a selective description of Hillary:

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Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2016, 10:28:52 AM

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"We're going to keep working on putting solutions in place," Snyder told The Detroit News. "And what I would say is: Politicizing the issue doesn't help matters. Let's focus in on the solution and how to deal with the damage that was done and help the citizens of Flint and make Flint a stronger community."

:comeon

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 11:45:49 AM

That laughable Frank Luntz quote might as well read "hire me pls." There was an article last week about major GOP donors and figures realizing Trump could be the nominee and now trying to find a way into his orbit. Luntz spent the last few months doing establishment hit jobs on Trump with his trademark bullshit focus groups. It didn't work, now it looks like there won't be an establishment candidate so he must be hoping senpai Trump notices him.
:uguu

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2016, 12:08:15 PM

This was actually my personal favorite:

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“He behaves in a way that most minorities would not expect a billionaire to behave,” explained the pollster, who spoke on condition of anonymity to avoid damaging relationships within the party. “He’s not a white-bread socialite kind of guy.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2016, 01:09:02 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on January 18, 2016, 11:14:27 PM

Palin likely endorsing Trump in Iowa tomorrow.

(http://i.imgur.com/rGeG1mk.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: benjipwns on January 19, 2016, 01:42:30 PM

Yes, YES, it's truly beginning with the Human Rights Campaign's endorsement of Clinton over Sanders and new daily episodes of Everyone Hates Ted:
RedState: Sarah Palin Expected to Continue Endorsing Sarah Palin Today (http://"http://www.redstate.com/2016/01/19/sarah-palin-expected-continue-endorsing-sarah-palin-today/")

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The going narrative in and around DC is that the Trump assault has been an eye-opening phenomenon to the GOP Establishment. Maybe, maybe not. I have my doubts about Mitch McConnell and gang’s ability to learn anything, and they are moreover already cozying up to the Trump organization anticipating that he will win the nomination.

On the other hand, it has been an alarmingly eye-opening phenomenon to millions of ordinary conservative Americans who enjoyed consuming talk radio and the serial works of conservative authors, under the (apparently naive) belief that they meant what they said. Because when Trump – who spent his entire life believing in none of those things – came along and started getting ratings, almost all of them to a man jumped on board the train, because the Trump boomlet was so easy to monetize.

It is one thing for people like Rush, or Hannity, or Palin or whoever, to jump on board with a likely ideological weathervane like Mitt Romney after the die had already been cast for his nomination, especially in a 2012 field without viable challengers. But the 2016 field was loaded with genuine conservative stars, and the speed with which they were abandoned by almost every major conservative personality who earns their money directly from either ratings or book sales was dizzying and depressing. Limbaugh, in particular, has been a depressing listen for the last year for me and a whole host of other people who have been listening to him for over two decades – my only hope is that he has some as-yet-unplayed ace up his sleeve.

If you could have predicted, back in February 2015, that Glenn Beck would be mounting virtually a one-man crusade against the proposition that Trump is any way conservative, you would have probably been able to make a hefty amount of money in Vegas. At least Levin seems to have realized, albeit somewhat late in the game, that the monster he helped create truly is a monster. Meanwhile, Rush opened his show last week by chortling with good natured humor at Trump’s decision to start his rallies by playing “Born in the USA” – that’s right, the nation’s leading talk radio host is now engaging in playful indulgence of Cruz birtherism.

Which brings us back, sadly, to Palin. Palin was a tremendously powerful force for good as recently as 2010, in helping many conservatives to oust moderates whose anti-conservative heresies paled noticeably compared to Trump’s. Somewhere along the way, though, Palin realized that there was a lot of money to be made by presenting herself as the victim of a smear campaign orchestrated by a so-called “smart set,” which she in her wily caginess was always able (in her own mind) to outsmart.

The end result has been predictably disastrous. The last time she endorsed a candidate, it was in the Alaska gubernatorial race – a race in which she endorsed a Democrat and an Independent over what can only be described as a petty personal feud with her ex-running mate. These feuds have sadly become one of the defining characteristics of Sarah Palin’s public persona, as all of us at this website well know.

By all accounts, there is literally no excuse for Sarah Palin not to endorse Ted Cruz, if she believes even half the things she’s been saying over the years about mavericks and people who have taken on entrenched Republican interests. Donald Trump has done none of this. In fact, he specifically attacked Ted Cruz over the weekend on the basis that the Establishment does not like him.

Trump has spent his entire life using crony capitalism to enrich himself while espousing socially and economically liberal ideas. The only thing that makes him “non-Establishment” is that he doesn’t have the basic human decency that God granted to every person who doesn’t realize that making fun of disabled people is wrong.

Trump is, however, great for ratings. Wherever he goes, television cameras are sure to follow. And moreover, he has plugged in to the “Isn’t it terrible how the media thinks they are smarter than us” sentiment to a degree that one could argue that it is the single animating force for more than half his support.

Say what you will about Palin, but she is no dummy. She’s smart enough to realize which side her bread is buttered on and it is the side that increases her personal profile by siding with Trump. What she is doing is a rather shrewd way to keep her personal profile high.

It may not be especially principled, or honorable, or in keeping with anything she has professed to believe in since she burst onto the national scene in 2008, but it isn’t stupid.

we gonna eat good after all

 :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2016, 02:46:32 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/19/politics/terry-branstad-ted-cruz-defeat/index.html

Quote

"It would be a big mistake for Iowa to support him," Branstad said. "And I know he's ahead in the polls but the only poll that counts is the one they take on caucus night and I think that could change between now and then."

Asked by a reporter whether he wants to see Cruz defeated, Branstad answered: "Yes."

lmao, this primary brehs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2016, 02:53:17 PM

Quote

Say what you will about Palin, but she is no dummy.

(http://i.imgur.com/g1e2zgg.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2016, 03:03:02 PM

[Citation Needed]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 19, 2016, 03:26:06 PM

Lol at it being John Wayne's family
also holy shit at Iowa Governor encouraging people to vote against Cruz that's insane

in other news
it's breitbart but chill bro - BLM on Colbert re: white privilege (http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/01/19/colbert-surrenders-seat-to-black-lives-matter-activist-to-check-his-white-privilege/)
im sure there's a thread about that on GAF with 50billion responses by now :-\

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Brehvolution on January 19, 2016, 03:33:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2016, 03:03:02 PM

[Citation Needed]

Second to last paragraph in benji's article.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2016, 04:39:42 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on January 19, 2016, 03:33:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 19, 2016, 03:03:02 PM

[Citation Needed]

Second to last paragraph in benji's article.

I meant for her not being a dummy. :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brob on January 19, 2016, 05:20:18 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/

Quote from: ta-nehisi coates, noted race baiter

Unfortunately, Sanders’s radicalism has failed in the ancient fight against white supremacy. What he proposes in lieu of reparations—job creation, investment in cities, and free higher education—is well within the Overton window, and his platform on race echoes Democratic orthodoxy. The calls for community policing, body-cameras, and a voting-rights bill with pre-clearance restored— all are things that Hillary Clinton agrees with. And those positions with which she might not agree address black people not so much as a class specifically injured by white supremacy, but rather, as a group which magically suffers from disproportionate poverty.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 05:21:10 PM

Quote

Sadly, since the establishment will shove Hillary Clinton down the throats of the voters, all we're left with is Donald Trump. And while Donald Trump will unequivocally destroy the country, his election will make a statement. Donald Trump's election will show that we, the American people, choose our leaders, not the establishment. And in four years, when Bernie Sanders runs again, he will win. Then, the United States will truly see progress and change and Hillary Clinton will feel the Bern!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/armand-wolf/why-i-a-liberal-democrat-_b_9001266.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-guest-trumps-alt-right-fans-childless-single-men-who-masturbate-to-anime/

#notallchildlesssinglemenwhomasturbatetoanime

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 19, 2016, 08:58:51 PM

Quote from: brob on January 19, 2016, 05:20:18 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/bernie-sanders-reparations/424602/

Quote from: ta-nehisi coates, noted race baiter

Unfortunately, Sanders’s radicalism has failed in the ancient fight against white supremacy. What he proposes in lieu of reparations—job creation, investment in cities, and free higher education—is well within the Overton window, and his platform on race echoes Democratic orthodoxy. The calls for community policing, body-cameras, and a voting-rights bill with pre-clearance restored— all are things that Hillary Clinton agrees with. And those positions with which she might not agree address black people not so much as a class specifically injured by white supremacy, but rather, as a group which magically suffers from disproportionate poverty.

yea Sanders, you already believe Naria is real, how come you can't believe Pokemon exist too.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: doctavius bonbon on January 19, 2016, 09:18:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-guest-trumps-alt-right-fans-childless-single-men-who-masturbate-to-anime/

#notallchildlesssinglemenwhomasturbatetoanime

no lies detected.

im playing blade & soul and the amount of TRUMP 2016 being shouted is unreal.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 19, 2016, 09:34:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-guest-trumps-alt-right-fans-childless-single-men-who-masturbate-to-anime/

#notallchildlesssinglemenwhomasturbatetoanime

paging jaydubya

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: curly on January 19, 2016, 10:01:30 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-guest-trumps-alt-right-fans-childless-single-men-who-masturbate-to-anime/

#notallchildlesssinglemenwhomasturbatetoanime

Bring back anime communism

(http://i.imgur.com/HcBw5dr.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 20, 2016, 12:15:58 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-guest-trumps-alt-right-fans-childless-single-men-who-masturbate-to-anime/

#notallchildlesssinglemenwhomasturbatetoanime

Do I sense a demeaning broad stroke caricature we can propagate? :money

Quote from: https://storify.com/tinymediaempire/i-went-to-a-donald-trump-rally-and-saw-a-mean-wear

There's a guy here with a Pikachu hat and I wanna ask him about Men's Rights soooo badly. Because there's no way a guy sitting alone wearing a Pikachu hat cheering on Trump hasn't called Zoe Quinn a bitch at some point in time.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Tasty on January 20, 2016, 01:03:07 AM

#NotAllPokemonFans :doge

Anyways, Daily News killing it:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZId6wAWAAABKmV.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 20, 2016, 02:30:46 AM

She went from being a stunt veep that was the butt of every joke 8 years ago to having the clout to give a respectable endorsement? That's why you got Pikachus in the crowd, they're afraid to evolve.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 20, 2016, 04:26:31 AM

This is still kinda bewildering to me (and I sure as shit can't make sense of anything her "speech" consisted of).

I mean, Palin helped make Cruz. He only got to the Senate because he primary-ed out an establishment conservative, Palin was beating the drum for him and was enormously useful to him at the time. I can't imagine that she's disapproved of damn near anything he's done politically since then (remember, this guy drives the Freedom Caucus).

I guess its really true that he's an unbearable arsehole on a personal level, but whouda expected Sarah would go even against her own iron-set dumbass principles to suck up to a guy who pettily insulted the one dude that she ought to retain loyalty to. Not me, that's who.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2016, 10:29:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mvlm3LKSlpU

SARAH PALIN, YOU BETCHA! SHE'S IN IT TO WIN IT!(?)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2016, 10:35:54 AM

Quote

You guys are sounding angry is we're hearing from the establishment. They stomp on our neck and tell us to chill. Just relax. Well, look, we are mad and we've been had. They need to get use to it. This election is more than just your basic ABCs: Anybody but Clinton. It's more than that this go around. When we're talking about a nation without borders, and bankruptcies and our federal government, debt our children and grandchildren will never be able to pay off.

When we're talking about the power that comes from strength, power through strength, well then we're talking about our very existence. No, we're not going to chill. It's time to drill, baby, drill down and hold these folks accountable and we need to stop the self-sabotage and elect a candidate that represents that and America first, finally. Pro-Constitution. Common-sense solutions he brings to the table. Yes, the status quo has got to go. With their failed agenda, it can't be salvaged, it must be savaged and Donald Trump is the one to do that. Are you ready for new and are you ready for the leader who will let you make America great again? It's going to take a whole team.

Is this Esperanto? Kara help :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: studyguy on January 20, 2016, 10:59:23 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 19, 2016, 08:55:53 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbc-guest-trumps-alt-right-fans-childless-single-men-who-masturbate-to-anime/

#notallchildlesssinglemenwhomasturbatetoanime

What a time to be alive.
Also I know too many of those types who fit the bill.
It's pretty sad.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2016, 01:06:56 PM

PD, how's that Snyder vote working out for you?

:heh

Let this be an abject lesson to you- even a shitty, corrupt Dem is better than any Republican. The Dem still wants govt to work, even if they just want to get their palm greased while it does. The Republicans just want to privatize everything to death and not give any fucks.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 20, 2016, 01:31:42 PM

I like (read don't like) how Snyder is saying "I'm sorry the government failed you" nah bitch, the unelected piece of shit YOU appointed did this.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on January 20, 2016, 02:45:25 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2016, 01:06:56 PM

PD, how's that Snyder vote working out for you?

:heh

Let this be an abject lesson to you- even a shitty, corrupt Dem is better than any Republican. The Dem still wants govt to work, even if they just want to get their palm greased while it does. The Republicans just want to privatize everything to death and not give any fucks.

:dunno


The fuck you even talking about?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 20, 2016, 02:49:43 PM

Gov Snyder appointed an unelected "emergency manager" over Flint that decided it was a good idea to save money by hooking the water supply to a caustic river in a community with old lead pipes. Oh also it's giving people legionnaires disease. Then they ignored concerns about it for a good year and a half.

So, you know, he's probably referring to the fact that saving money was prioritized over not poisoning a community.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2016, 03:27:40 PM

Also worth noting that GM wouldn't even use that plant water anymore because it was corroding car parts. And the emergency manager and his team were gonna use this shit for two years...

All to say a bit of money. Despite being given a discount to continue using the best water in the fucking world.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2016, 03:54:33 PM

Oh boo hoo, now they're have to spent use their EBT cards on bottled water instead of crab legs and take a bath in the crick like real Americans.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 04:08:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2016, 03:54:33 PM

Oh boo hoo, now they're have to spent use their EBT cards on bottled water instead of crab legs and take a bath in the crick like real Americans.

Not so fast librul

http://www.fastcompany.com/1751284/4-things-you-shouldnt-be-able-buy-food-stamps-and-one-you-should (http://www.fastcompany.com/1751284/4-things-you-shouldnt-be-able-buy-food-stamps-and-one-you-should)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Lobster, always lobster :lol

[close]

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 20, 2016, 04:08:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2016, 02:38:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)

So many L's, breh. SO. MANY.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Mandark on January 20, 2016, 04:16:58 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 04:08:14 PM

http://www.fastcompany.com/1751284/4-things-you-shouldnt-be-able-buy-food-stamps-and-one-you-should (http://www.fastcompany.com/1751284/4-things-you-shouldnt-be-able-buy-food-stamps-and-one-you-should)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Lobster, always lobster :lol

[close]

who is this lady I hate her

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 04:28:26 PM

I googled "bottled water ebt" because I knew somewhere, someone had said it should be banned.  Sure enough, second result.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2016, 05:23:25 PM

These idiots need to meet some actual people on welfare. Even the people who game the system aren't living like kings off the $200 they sold their food stamps for that month. scust

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 05:46:18 PM

yeah but lobsters

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 20, 2016, 07:35:08 PM

Did Reagan event the lobsters+EBT meme or did he steal it from somebody else?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 20, 2016, 08:21:24 PM

I wonder if Ted "JFK would be a republican today" Cruz knows Kennedy is the one who made lobster purchases with food stamps possible
:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 21, 2016, 03:17:28 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2016, 10:35:54 AM

Quote

You guys are sounding angry is we're hearing from the establishment. They stomp on our neck and tell us to chill. Just relax. Well, look, we are mad and we've been had. They need to get use to it. This election is more than just your basic ABCs: Anybody but Clinton. It's more than that this go around. When we're talking about a nation without borders, and bankruptcies and our federal government, debt our children and grandchildren will never be able to pay off.

When we're talking about the power that comes from strength, power through strength, well then we're talking about our very existence. No, we're not going to chill. It's time to drill, baby, drill down and hold these folks accountable and we need to stop the self-sabotage and elect a candidate that represents that and America first, finally. Pro-Constitution. Common-sense solutions he brings to the table. Yes, the status quo has got to go. With their failed agenda, it can't be salvaged, it must be savaged and Donald Trump is the one to do that. Are you ready for new and are you ready for the leader who will let you make America great again? It's going to take a whole team.

Is this Esperanto? Kara help :doge :doge :doge

This is a rap lyric

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2016, 08:38:21 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTZ71KKK5Mg

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2016, 09:10:58 AM

BTW this entire thing is another highlight of how trash Palin is. Never mind that Cruz seems more logical of an endorsement target for her given their history. Trump has disrespected McCain in some truly disgusting ways, and Palin owes her everything to McCain. He completely changed her life yet she's endorsing a guy who made fun of his captivity. She's also big on supporting vets yet is supporting a man who made fun of an injured vet.

That's some ugly disloyalty and ungratefulness brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2016, 10:26:44 AM

Trump has also picked up the coveted Mike Tyson endorsment, seems over for Cruz now.

Quote from: Mike Tyson

“Yeah! Hell yeah,” he exclaims of Trump 2016. “That shit is the real deal. Listen: I’m a black motherfucker from the poorest town in the country. I’ve been through a lot in life. And I know him. When I see him, he shakes my hand and respects my family. None of them—Barack, whoever—nobody else does that. They’re gonna be who they are and disregard me, my family. So I’m voting for him. If I can get 20,000 people or more to vote for him, I’m gonna do it.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 21, 2016, 01:13:05 PM

Can we wife swap Michelle? 

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/01/18/sophie-grgoire-trudeau-hits-news-highs-and-lows-with-impromptu-song.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Boogie on January 21, 2016, 01:47:58 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 05:46:18 PM

yeah but lobsters

Fun fact from my coworkers who grew up in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia:

Lobster used to be considered garbage food.   Parents didn't want their kids to be seen eating lobster because other families would think they were poor and trashy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 21, 2016, 02:01:44 PM

Quote from: Boogie on January 21, 2016, 01:47:58 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 05:46:18 PM

yeah but lobsters

Fun fact from my coworkers who grew up in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia:

Lobster used to be considered garbage food.   Parents didn't want their kids to be seen eating lobster because other families would think they were poor and trashy.

http://www.psmag.com/business-economics/how-lobster-got-fancy-59440

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: octopushover on January 21, 2016, 02:45:08 PM

Quote from: Boogie on January 21, 2016, 01:47:58 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 05:46:18 PM

yeah but lobsters

Fun fact from my coworkers who grew up in Newfoundland and Nova Scotia:

Lobster used to be considered garbage food.   Parents didn't want their kids to be seen eating lobster because other families would think they were poor and trashy.

still is garbage food


crab tho  :lawd

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2016, 03:01:37 PM

Taco Bell is the lobster of our generation. From poor and trashy food to  :snob

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2016, 03:17:24 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bill-ballenger-flint-overblown

:hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2016, 06:02:15 PM

Quote

The former lawmaker was fired on Wednesday from Inside Michigan Politics, a publication he founded, over his previous comments casting doubt on the evidence surrounding the Flint water crisis, according to The Detroit News.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 21, 2016, 09:12:01 PM

Quote

This isn’t the first time Murphy’s campaign spending has been questioned. After success helping to run Arnold Schwarzenegger’s first bid for governor in California, Murphy was criticized for overspending on Meg Whitman’s failed gubernatorial run. In an unusual business arrangement, Whitman made a $1 million investment in Murphy’s production company just months before he began working for her campaign. She eventually spent $144 million of her own money on the failed campaign.

Veteran California political operative Don Sipple, who brought Murphy onto the Schwarzenegger campaign, laughed when asked about Murphy’s involvement with high price-tag campaigns.

“Murphy was doing the Meg Whitman campaign so he knows how to spend money,” Sipple said, noting that Right to Rise's “return on investment is seriously elusive.”

“Whether it’s the Jeb campaign or the super PAC concept, all of that has been based on conventional wisdom and past political activities, which is not valid for 2016, it seems,” Sipple said of Murphy’s spending strategy at Right to Rise.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/jeb-bush-2016-campaign-blame-218049#ixzz3xw35Yt8K

ya think?  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 21, 2016, 09:18:45 PM

Serious question and open to anyone, if Trump chose the entire Wu Tang Clan as a running mate, would you vote for him?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brob on January 21, 2016, 09:19:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3VxAUq9.jpg)

 :aweshum

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2016, 09:27:28 PM

 :whoo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Rufus on January 21, 2016, 09:47:24 PM

The Third Street Saints are going to fuck him up :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brob on January 21, 2016, 10:00:30 PM

It's pretty funny how the GOP establishment is trying to fix an angle where they can get in with Trump and their media intelligentsia is still desperately trying to argue that Trump isn't a constitutional conservative not realizing that maybe the majority of their base isn't either.

Also, I really like how absolutely no one seems to want the Cruz missile to hit

 :success

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 21, 2016, 10:26:00 PM

Cruz is one of the most genuinely unlikable politicians I've ever seen. I'd rather vote for Donald Trump with Donald Trump's Hair as VP.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 21, 2016, 10:30:02 PM

Ted Cruz really is the worst. The latest with him is that he "forgot" to buy a new insurance policy since his old one got phased out by Blue Cross, so he blamed it on Obamacare.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 21, 2016, 10:35:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LPR7DktumA

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Syph on January 22, 2016, 01:09:56 AM

hopey changey baby

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2016, 01:38:35 AM

Quote from: brob on January 21, 2016, 09:19:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3VxAUq9.jpg)

 :aweshum

Quote

Houston, We Have a Problem

National Review was asked by the RNC to partner in the GOP debates. We agreed. Our initial partner was NBC, with whom we were to help moderate the pre–Super Tuesday debate, originally to be held on February 26 in Houston, then suspended by the RNC in retribution over the antics of CNBC moderators in its now infamous debate last month. A new main host was picked this week — CNN. National Review was to partner, along with Salem Radio and Telemundo, the debate rescheduled for February 25. Tonight, a top official with the RNC called me to say that National Review was being disinvited. The reason: Our “Against Trump“ editorial and symposium. We expected this was coming. Small price to pay for speaking the truth about The Donald.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/430166/houston-we-have-problem

madness :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 22, 2016, 01:43:28 AM

The trending side bar :lol

1) Conservatives against Trump
2) Against Trump
3) Huston we have a problem 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 22, 2016, 07:41:47 AM

Cuckservatives in disarray!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 22, 2016, 08:53:11 AM

(http://cdn.weeklystandard.biz/cache/sq560x440-c8115d687360b2470396f53eec54c47f.jpg)

This is the cartoon in the Weekly Standard today. I have no idea what's in his right hand.

I'm sure most Republicans will distance themselves from him as we get closer to the general election but I'm honestly concerned whether the Republican party can rebuild itself after this nomination.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brob on January 22, 2016, 10:35:54 AM

https://twitter.com/reaIDonaldTrunp/status/690297191756267520

political attack campaigns in the millennial age  :ryker

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 22, 2016, 11:17:05 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/22/hillary-clinton-angers-iowa-fans-who-waited-hours-for-five-minute-speech

LMAO looks like Hillary has learned nothing from the 2008 primaries when she pulled this shit.

Then again, given the rumors about her poor health, maybe she was just too strokey to continue the speech.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 22, 2016, 11:30:21 AM

OTOH tho, fuck Iowa. They deserve nothing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 22, 2016, 12:00:19 PM

Ya sodomize them with corn cobs I say

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: octopushover on January 22, 2016, 12:28:27 PM

why iowa is considered a bellwether for nomination is baffling to me

it's fucking iowa

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 22, 2016, 12:57:31 PM

Does Iowa even exist, really? I mean, have you ever met someone who actually lives there? I bet not.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 22, 2016, 02:03:43 PM

Hillary learned something: hire better people, specially the people who beat you last time. But as a candidate? Doesn't seem like she's changed. She gives off such a "hello fellow kids/blacks/Hispanics/etc" vibe with these various appeals to demographic groups.

Thank god the GOP is a mess right now or else I could see her losing a close election. But based on the republican field? Lmao

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 22, 2016, 02:32:26 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 20, 2016, 04:08:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2016, 03:54:33 PM

Oh boo hoo, now they're have to spent use their EBT cards on bottled water instead of crab legs and take a bath in the crick like real Americans.

Not so fast librul

http://www.fastcompany.com/1751284/4-things-you-shouldnt-be-able-buy-food-stamps-and-one-you-should (http://www.fastcompany.com/1751284/4-things-you-shouldnt-be-able-buy-food-stamps-and-one-you-should)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Lobster, always lobster :lol

[close]

oh clickhole

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brob on January 23, 2016, 11:31:43 AM

https://newrepublic.com/minutes/128262/michael-bloomberg-decides-hold-gun-head-american-democracy

Former commander in chief of the NYPD comin thru :gun

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 23, 2016, 12:26:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKmPSa6VXls

Report's a week or two old but just saw today, for fucking fuck sakes.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 23, 2016, 01:16:13 PM

So there was a school shooting in Saskatchewan yesterday that killed 4 people.

Here is a timeline of Canadian school shootings
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/deadly-shootings-schools-canada-1.3416685
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Canada

Half of these are not even school shootings in the usual sense (since some are robberies or domestic disputes).  You really have to go back to the 89 L'Ecole Polytech to have anything comparable to U.S school shootings.   

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: brawndolicious on January 23, 2016, 01:50:12 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on January 23, 2016, 12:26:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKmPSa6VXls

Report's a week or two old but just saw today, for fucking fuck sakes.

That's just what they have to deal with in the short-term. I've tested lead levels in water before and was initially very skeptical that the lead levels in Flint were that bad ("probably just a little higher than normal"). Lead testing in water is a pretty strict process so there's almost no way to dilute your results.

But after reading through the difference in methodology for how the state initially tested the water versus independent groups and their research that came out after it looked like there was a problem, it is clear the water really is several times the 5 microgram/liter federal limit for tap water and that the way the state tested this was to try to artificially decrease the results. In California, you rarely see tap water come close to the limit so my guess is there was a conscious effort to sample water in a way that gives you the minimum possible result (ie: flushing for several minutes or not testing old homes). Things you're specifically not allowed to do afaik. Due to how easy it is to get caught, they probably did this only after it was clear the lead levels were too high.

And now the local water infrastructure is fucked due to the leaching and no one in Flint can trust their local regulators again. Anyone who knew about this should be fired and hopefully there are some criminal charges.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 23, 2016, 02:11:37 PM

It seems that Snyder, Snyder personally knew about this months ago, while his admnistration was still pussyfooting around. FBI is investigating things as of now, not for nothing.

I'd actually be pretty dang surprised if somebody doesn't hang for this eventually (Rick probably has somebody else take the fall), it'll take a while, but I do expect charges to be brought.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 23, 2016, 03:44:38 PM

http://montrealgazette.com/news/would-bernie-sanders-be-so-radical-in-canada-perusing-his-presidential-platform

Just cause I really want to rub it in how good Canada is, even if our vegetables are affordable. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 23, 2016, 04:02:30 PM

Synder won't be charged with anything. I'd imagine a fall guy will be found at some point.

The root of this problem is the emergency manager. An un-elected entity who gets to walk into a city and do whatever he wants, all in the name of "saving money." Not to mention the way Snyder's administration has created the need for emergency managers in terms of starving certain cities of tax revenue and sending it to suburbs instead.

Michigan voters soundly rejected the emergency manager referendum in 2012 btw. What did Snyder do? Take it to the legislature, pass a law funding the emergency manager process, and then blocked the ability to reject EM laws by referendum.

Shit is like OCP brehs.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 23, 2016, 04:31:52 PM

Vote for the Republican, brehs

:heh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mandark on January 23, 2016, 05:09:44 PM

Someone dug up this tweet the Trump campaign's spokeswoman made in 2012: https://twitter.com/KatrinaPierson/status/160181303680040960

In case she deletes it, it reads "Perfect Obama's dad born in Africa, Mitt Romney's dad born in Mexico. Any pure breeds left? #CNNDebate"

Trump poached her from Cruz.  I don't have much to add, really.


edit: unsurprisingly there's a bunch more (http://www.mediaite.com/online/trump-spokeswomans-twitter-history-is-a-goldmine-of-embarrassment/).

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America GOAT Again |OT| - 1/5/16 the day freedom died
Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2016, 10:30:37 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on January 23, 2016, 03:44:38 PM

http://montrealgazette.com/news/would-bernie-sanders-be-so-radical-in-canada-perusing-his-presidential-platform

Just cause I really want to rub it in how good Canada is, even if our vegetables are affordable.

How's that oil-based economy working out? :hitler

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Oblivion on January 24, 2016, 02:05:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_Ua53PJlv8

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on January 24, 2016, 02:20:44 PM

Michael Bloomberg considering running: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/24/nyregion/bloomberg-sensing-an-opening-revisits-a-potential-white-house-run.html

If I were the DNC, I'd be begging and pleading for Joe Biden to reconsider running.  Even though the first caucus is next week, he could still win the primaries.  Even though I doubt Bloomberg will make the run, it shows that the Democrats are really vulnerable for 2016.  People here saying that a Democrat is guaranteed to be in the White House in 2016 is kidding themselves; it isn't a guarantee by any means.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 24, 2016, 02:25:04 PM

I see Bloomberg's talk of running as an independent as more of threat directed at Dems who are thinking about supporting Bernie over Hillary, more so than an actual intent to run at some point.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 24, 2016, 03:10:49 PM

Clinton would have way too much money for Biden to overcome right now imo.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: brawndolicious on January 24, 2016, 03:17:22 PM

He's just threatening Sanders to pressure him to drop out even though he may only win a couple states in the primary.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mandark on January 24, 2016, 03:20:19 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on January 24, 2016, 02:20:44 PM

If I were the DNC, I'd be begging and pleading for Joe Biden to reconsider running.

Why?

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on January 24, 2016, 02:20:44 PM

Even though the first caucus is next week, he could still win the primaries.

No he couldn't.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 24, 2016, 09:57:14 PM

:drudge :drudge THE GOVERNMENT'S GONNA PAY FOR IT  :drudge :drudge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcUCLwWCihE

:drudge :drudge MAKE A DEAL WITH IRAN  :drudge :drudge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Brehvolution on January 25, 2016, 11:59:03 AM

Quote

Republican presidential candidate Jeb Bush on Sunday applauded Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder's response to the water contamination crisis in Flint -- even though the situation was caused by Snyder's own administration.

"I admire Rick Snyder for stepping up right now," Bush said on CNN's "State of the Union." "He's going to the challenge. He's fired people and accepted responsibility to fix this."

:cac

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mandark on January 25, 2016, 12:24:01 PM

Heckuvajob, Snydie.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 01:21:10 PM

Someone who went to college was arguing with me the other night that we shouldn't worry too much about Planned Parenthood because uncle Bernie will bring about single payer and Planned Parenthood will be irrelevant.  And people wonder why Bernie is popular mainly with white dudes :beli

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 25, 2016, 01:54:20 PM

The "Bernie's going to wave a magic wand and give everyone unicorns" mentality of Bernie's most fervent supporters is clearly my biggest issue with supporting Bernie, even though I do.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 01:56:41 PM

I honestly don't know what Bernie would be able to accomplish right now.  Certainly nothing that is exciting people about his run.  I mean he won't go to war with Iran, but other than that?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Trent Dole on January 25, 2016, 01:57:56 PM

His ideas are what should be happening imo, but of course the current administration can barely get anything through so these hyper progressive programs he wants have literally no chance of getting through Congress.

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 01:56:41 PM

I honestly don't know what Bernie would be able to accomplish right now.  Certainly nothing that is exciting people about his run.  I mean he won't go to war with Iran, but other than that?

Could he maybe do the bank breakup that he harps on about all the time? :yeshrug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 25, 2016, 02:00:52 PM

I think getting him in is our best shot at any sort of real campaign finance reform, voting rights, better banking regulation. Anyone who thinks he's a cure all is a dumbass, surely, but even that black dude got some shit done despite all the opposition

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 02:01:34 PM

No.  And banks don't really need to be broken up, they need to be regulated a ton.  A bunch of smaller banks still pose the same systemic risk that a few big ones do if they're allowed to do whatever.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2016, 02:01:46 PM

Wow you guys are uninformed. Sanders has already explained he's going to spark a political revolution, jeez. How is Paul Ryan going to say no to 60% tax rates for the rich when one hundred thousand young white students rush into his office demanding change?

:doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 02:09:53 PM

I'm also not in favor of literacy tests for voting, but we really should stop people from voting who talk about taxes but don't how a progressive tax code works.  How can you have paid taxes for 45 years and not have the slightest idea?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mandark on January 25, 2016, 02:22:00 PM

I like Sanders, but man does that guy attract a ton of self-righteous middle class honkeys.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mupepe on January 25, 2016, 03:06:47 PM

Whether Sanders wins or not I think the best thing he's able to do is get people talking about his ideas in a somewhat serious manner even though most have no change in hell of ever happening. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2016, 03:24:47 PM

Honestly I don't even like that argument. As an example, people have been arguing about single payer for years, most notably since 2010 and the ACA debates. Bernie Sanders and "his ideas" haven't sparked the conversation on this or most other things. It's getting to the point where I'm reaching borderline disdain of a guy I generally agree with solely due to his stans and the narrative. I can see it now. "Yes, Hillary bought the nomination BUT Bernie's ideas were the real winners"  :doge

fuck me

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 05:42:15 PM

The people who made those fake ass Planned Parenthood videos were indicted because the Governor of Texas wanted PP investigated. :lol

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Harris-grand-jury-indicts-pair-behind-Planned-6782865.php (http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/Harris-grand-jury-indicts-pair-behind-Planned-6782865.php)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 25, 2016, 06:09:55 PM

Grand Jury be like

(http://i.imgur.com/YUtUVT2.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 25, 2016, 06:20:39 PM

To paraphrase Herzl, if you believe it, there is no lie Dude.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: octopushover on January 26, 2016, 10:23:49 AM

tom delay says his friends in the fbi told him they're about to indict hillary clinton


tom delay  :aweshum

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Samson Manhug on January 26, 2016, 05:23:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 01:21:10 PM

And people wonder why Bernie is popular mainly with white dudes :beli

Quote from: Mandark on January 25, 2016, 02:22:00 PM

I like Sanders, but man does that guy attract a ton of self-righteous middle class honkeys.

The Myth of the Bernie Bro (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/10/clinton-sanders-democratic-presidential-primary-caucuses/)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: brob on January 26, 2016, 08:48:26 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on January 26, 2016, 05:23:49 PM

The Myth of the Bernie Bro (https://www.jacobinmag.com/2015/10/clinton-sanders-democratic-presidential-primary-caucuses/)

lol the author of that piece on was twitter talking about coordinating harassment (http://i.imgur.com/0A4KKgn.jpg) on female journalists earlier today. year long tirades are chill tho (https://t.co/xanQjiMJRP)

u doe eyed americans getting wet about 'democratic socialism' being the great leveler should look to europe and the long established tradition of how progressivism and good old bigotry co-exist with little issue.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Syph on January 26, 2016, 10:00:36 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on January 25, 2016, 03:06:47 PM

Whether Sanders wins or not I think the best thing he's able to do is get people talking about his ideas in a somewhat serious manner even though most have no change in hell of ever happening.

You mean like Trump and immigration?  :win

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 26, 2016, 10:13:54 PM

no dem president's doin' SHIT beyond a few end-of-term executive orders (and maybe some drawn-out media circus judicial appointees) as long as the republicans control congress.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mandark on January 26, 2016, 10:18:21 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 26, 2016, 10:13:54 PM

no dem president's doin' SHIT beyond a few end-of-term executive orders (and maybe some drawn-out media circus judicial appointees) as long as the republicans control congress.

Pretty much.

I wonder how many months it would take of President Sanders not accomplishing shit before all the librul thinkpieces on how we've been deceived and betrayed and he's not really one of us.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 26, 2016, 10:25:59 PM

if we don't have free health care 4 all by february 2017, bumper stickers will be peeled off with RAGE

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2016, 10:32:42 PM

March 3rd, 2017

(http://i.imgur.com/Y0iIAOr.png)
"What's the difference between President Bernie Sanders and George W Bush? Nothing"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 26, 2016, 10:43:36 PM

on the upside, MAYBE we'll get a few "hey, obama wasn't all THAT awful" retrospectives from media shillberts

on the downside, conservative hillfolk will be all OBAMA'S NIGHTMARE LEGACY CONTINUES, BE AFRAID OF THE (BLACK) SHADOW

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 26, 2016, 10:45:55 PM

and if there's a large terror attack, god help us all

the hand-wringing from the left will make more cradles than fox news can have kittens

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2016, 10:46:59 PM

@JoshDorner

BREAKING (via @maddow): Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder asking for Medicaid to be expanded to cover ALL children in Flint, regardless of income
https://twitter.com/JoshDorner/status/692177376030150659

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mandark on January 26, 2016, 10:51:02 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 26, 2016, 10:43:36 PM

on the upside, MAYBE we'll get a few "hey, obama wasn't all THAT awful" retrospectives from media shillberts

on the downside, conservative hillfolk will be all OBAMA'S NIGHTMARE LEGACY CONTINUES, BE AFRAID OF THE (BLACK) SHADOW

Oh God, I can't wait for conservatives to go with "Obama Hillary/Bernie a radical!  We may have disagreed with Bill Clinton Obama, but at least he was someone you could work with!"

:bow retconning :bow2

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 26, 2016, 10:59:19 PM

I can't wait for the media to let them get away with it

:fbm

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 26, 2016, 11:42:25 PM

Can't wait for Chuck Todd to write a book. Barack And Boehner: When Washington Worked And What Hillary Can Learn.

 :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on January 26, 2016, 11:42:33 PM

Quote from: Mandark on January 26, 2016, 10:18:21 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on January 26, 2016, 10:13:54 PM

no dem president's doin' SHIT beyond a few end-of-term executive orders (and maybe some drawn-out media circus judicial appointees) as long as the republicans control congress.

Pretty much.

I wonder how many months it would take of President Sanders not accomplishing shit before all the librul thinkpieces on how we've been deceived and betrayed and he's not really one of us.

"Bernie's 100-day plan? Failed. Clintonites win again"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2016, 01:15:47 AM

Quote

TRUMP CAMPAIGN STATEMENT ON FOX NEWS DEBATE

(New York, NY) January 26th, 2016 - As someone who wrote one of the best-selling business books of all time, The Art of the Deal, who has built an incredible company, including some of the most valuable and iconic assets in the world, and as someone who has a personal net worth of many billions of dollars, Mr. Trump knows a bad deal when he sees one. FOX News is making tens of millions of dollars on debates, and setting ratings records (the highest in history), where as in previous years they were low-rated afterthoughts.

Unlike the very stupid, highly incompetent people running our country into the ground, Mr. Trump knows when to walk away. Roger Ailes and FOX News think they can toy with him, but Mr. Trump doesn’t play games. There have already been six debates, and according to all online debate polls including Drudge, Slate, Time Magazine, and many others, Mr. Trump has won all of them, in particular the last one. Whereas he has always been a job creator and not a debater, he nevertheless truly enjoys the debating process - and it has been very good for him, both in polls and popularity.

He will not be participating in the FOX News debate and will instead host an event in Iowa to raise money for the Veterans and Wounded Warriors, who have been treated so horribly by our all talk, no action politicians. Like running for office as an extremely successful person, this takes guts and it is the kind of mentality our country needs in order to Make America Great Again.

this. is. amazing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2016, 10:11:34 AM

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Fox News responded in a statement given to Mediaite, saying:

We learned from a secret back channel that the Ayatollah and Putin both intend to treat Donald Trump unfairly when they meet with him if he becomes president — a nefarious source tells us that Trump has his own secret plan to replace the Cabinet with his Twitter followers to see if he should even go to those meetings.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2016, 10:33:02 AM

It's good to see Trump finally doing the Lord's work.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2016, 11:07:22 AM

(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2016/01/PF_16.01.26_ReligionPolitics_adultsReligious420px.png)(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2016/01/PF_16.01.26_ReligionPolitics_trumpReligious420px.png)(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2016/01/PF_16.01.26_ReligionPolitics_losingReligion310px.png)
(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2016/01/PF_16.01.26_ReligionPolitics_evangelicals640px.png)(http://www.pewforum.org/files/2016/01/PF_16.01.26_ReligionPolitics_nonesBlackProt640px.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2016, 12:41:02 PM

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President Barack Obama will meet with Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders on Wednesday at the White House, less than a week before the first-in-the-nation Iowa caucuses.

The Oval Office meeting will be informal and has no a set agenda, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said in a statement Tuesday. Sanders and the president discussed the possibility of meeting in December during a congressional holiday party, Earnest said.

Obama finally standing up for progressive causes with huge endorsement!

Odd that he chooses a virulent racist as his vehicle though.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 27, 2016, 01:25:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG_pEGVpQfc

(http://i.imgur.com/bXCEt9r.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 27, 2016, 04:06:02 PM

C'mon baby, feel the Jeb!mentum

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/bush-2nd-place-emerson-poll

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2016, 04:20:53 PM

http://wonkette.com/598261/bernie-bro-just-wondering-who-her-royal-highness-michelle-obama-thinks-she-is-anyway

I'm legit rustled

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2016, 04:27:47 PM

Trump skipping the debate is :lawd

I can't wait to see the viewer results after the debate. I'd bet less than the shitty dem debate numbers.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Brehvolution on January 27, 2016, 04:54:40 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ZXUIBam.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/7rsOt4i.png)

We need a trump emote.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 27, 2016, 10:00:31 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2016, 12:02:02 AM

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/health-wonks-and-bernie-bros/
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/wonks-and-minions/

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Right now I’m getting the kind of correspondence I usually get from Rush Limbaugh listeners, although this time it’s from the left — I’m a crook, I’m a Hillary crony, etc., etc.. OK, been there before — back in 2008 I was even the subject of tales about my son working for the Clintons, which was surprising because I don’t have a son

Bernie stans going at K-Thug. Don't they know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py1WDlaIr9A

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Syph on January 28, 2016, 12:06:04 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2016, 12:02:02 AM

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/health-wonks-and-bernie-bros/
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/01/23/wonks-and-minions/

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Right now I’m getting the kind of correspondence I usually get from Rush Limbaugh listeners, although this time it’s from the left — I’m a crook, I’m a Hillary crony, etc., etc.. OK, been there before — back in 2008 I was even the subject of tales about my son working for the Clintons, which was surprising because I don’t have a son

Bernie stans going at K-Thug. Don't they know
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=py1WDlaIr9A

Krugman's age is showing though breh
not gonna pretend my honours econ degree supercedes dude's goddamn nobel prize, but his bias seeps into his writing heavily these days to the point of angry man yells at cloud levels
ill try and recommend an alternative when im awake tho

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: curly on January 28, 2016, 04:47:33 AM

When Krugman writes about subjects that are outside his expertise he's really just your garden-variety liberal on the internet. He has one idea, which is that the republicans are very, very bad. I can agree with the sentiment but he never says anything past that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Syph on January 28, 2016, 01:04:18 PM

Quote from: curly on January 28, 2016, 04:47:33 AM

When Krugman writes about subjects that are outside his expertise he's really just your garden-variety liberal on the internet. He has one idea, which is that the republicans are very, very bad. I can agree with the sentiment but he never says anything past that.

Yea just pisses me off when he leaves out things to make his arguments stronger. He's a smart dude, he doesn't need to be doing that shit.
ex. talking about labour force participation rate vs. unemployment rate and then leaving the former out when he wants to shit on Repubs and defend President Obama
aaanyway

Rubio 2016
 It’s Rubio Or Bust For Republicans Who Want To Win
 (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-rubio-or-bust-for-republicans-who-want-to-win/)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: brob on January 28, 2016, 07:30:44 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-is-getting-a-surge-of-volunteers-in-150511299.html

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When not organizing for Sanders, Rhodes is a Web developer and the founder of NoFap, which he described as an online community dedicated to helping people recover from addiction to pornography. He said he was inspired to create the site based on his own experiences.

Rhodes said he hopes to keep recruiting volunteers from Reddit as the primaries continue. Because of this, he has come up with a name for the project as it extends beyond Operation Iowa. Rhodes is calling his Reddit recruitment operation the “Sanderstorm.”

“The people who are helping me — they’re actually called Sanderstormtroopers,” Rhodes said.

 :itagaki

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 28, 2016, 08:54:02 PM

Snyder admin was trucking clean water in for Flint employees like a year ago

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/01/snyder-administration-started-trucking-clean-water-state-buildings

Never letting PD live that vote down, lulz

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Broseidon on January 28, 2016, 09:34:44 PM

https://twitter.com/ArminRosen/status/692895940462522368

:dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 28, 2016, 11:07:31 PM

Trump was right to skip the debate, Fox moderators had the knives out tonight. They had contradictory tape on Rubio and Cruz and asked them to explain themselves, Marco came out okay, Cruz looked a bit shaky (and had the most seemingly egregious fibs of the night).

-Carson is toast (nothing new there)
-Kasich rambles
-Jeb was surprisingly strong
-Christie was there
-and Paul had his best ever night.

Its weird, it was almost a substantive debate. The questions were tough-ish. The answers were a bunch of dodging about how they all essentially agree with each other about everything (minus Paul), but the pantomime of respectable political discourse was well performed tonight.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 28, 2016, 11:17:53 PM

Trump must have known ahead of time that Kelly was going to be playing tapes of previous comments from candidates.

Another bad, repetitive debate. I thought Rubio did well until the immigration bomb. The tape was damning, and then him and Bush got into a weird argument over who flip flopped on the pathway to citizenship first. Wow.

Carson is still terrible at this, wow. Cruz was playing defense a lot, and it wasn't pretty. The tape Kelly played also exposed his hypocrisy.

Kasich was basically the only guy who said non-insane stuff more often than not.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2016, 11:56:37 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on January 28, 2016, 11:07:31 PM

-Jeb was surprisingly strong

Woah woah woah!

Woah.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on January 29, 2016, 12:09:14 AM

Look at PD ignoring the article about Snyder smuggling water into the Flint govt offices :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 29, 2016, 12:12:25 AM

Any thoughts on mmt economics?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: brawndolicious on January 29, 2016, 01:15:49 AM

SHE WONT GET WITHIN TEN MILES OF THE WHITE HOUSE!!

Fucking shut the fuck up. I am no Hillary stan but if a woman acted half as angry as Christie everyone would be saying she's a crazy bitch.

I thought Bush and Paul did really good but I only caught the second hour of the debate. Rubio and Christie can have lots of charisma but I didn't see them show it at all tonight.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 29, 2016, 11:19:15 AM

http://gawker.com/no-one-wants-to-talk-to-ted-cruz-1755866883

lmao

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: chronovore on January 29, 2016, 12:02:32 PM

Quote from: curly on January 28, 2016, 04:47:33 AM

When Krugman writes about subjects that are outside his expertise he's really just your garden-variety liberal on the internet. He has one idea, which is that the republicans are very, very bad. I can agree with the sentiment but he never says anything past that.

A few months back here, someone had a great insight on how people will automatically couch things in terms with which they themselves feel most comfortable. It's a variation on "when all you have is a hammer, every problem  looks like a nail." I guess if your favorite tool is a hammer, the same can be said.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: toku on January 29, 2016, 02:18:31 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/retreating-clinton-campaign-torches-iowa-town-slow-52261

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 29, 2016, 08:18:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdxIqVJGSnI

Cruz really is the worst.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 29, 2016, 09:56:05 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35446455  SMH Hilary SMH

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| GOP: "Anybody but Trump!"
Post by: Mandark on January 29, 2016, 10:20:28 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on January 25, 2016, 01:21:10 PM

Someone who went to college was arguing with me the other night that we shouldn't worry too much about Planned Parenthood because uncle Bernie will bring about single payer and Planned Parenthood will be irrelevant.  And people wonder why Bernie is popular mainly with white dudes :beli

On Sanders' FB page, they posted something about wage equality, and two of the top liked comments are #wellactually from his supporters.

Again, the guy and his actual campaign are much better about this stuff than a certain subset of his supporters (and it's not like they weren't around before he started running), but there's definitely a problem here.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2016, 01:16:09 AM

I assume the fact that he's currently the only one directly running against a women helps gather those people under his umbrella. Even the "libertarian" MRA/GameGaters/whatever can swing over on Bernie for social/foreign policy/etc. issues and the "he can win Iowa and NH" factor for an excuse.

I mean, I might as well vote for Bernie if he's still competitive by the primary date as Paul will likely be dead by then. If I were to vote. Hypothetically.

I imagine they will become Trump supporters in the general, rather than back Hillary. Even the ones who are internet socialists.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on January 30, 2016, 01:19:17 AM

Also, Sanderstormtroopers is only slightly better than GamerGate for a self-named movement.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Dickie Dee on January 30, 2016, 03:00:15 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-sasse-donald-trump-small-hands (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-sasse-donald-trump-small-hands)

wtf  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Madrun Badrun on January 30, 2016, 03:03:42 PM

This is what happens when your political campaigns last 2 years. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2016, 04:02:47 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on January 30, 2016, 03:00:15 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-sasse-donald-trump-small-hands (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-sasse-donald-trump-small-hands)

wtf  :lol

Donald Trump having short fingers is a long-running joke, and apparently he gets really annoyed over it.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: CatsCatsCats on January 31, 2016, 12:33:58 PM

PD's support of Hillary is starting to make sense

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/336573d64e7cbbc6b2940f8fbb2479cf/tumblr_o1s405egEM1qztnuno1_1280.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: brob on January 31, 2016, 02:25:21 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/iowa-new-hampshire-gop-voters-poll.html#

 :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2016, 02:45:36 PM

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I grew up as a strict constitutionalist. Let’s say my brother got caught with a pack of cigarettes in his room and my mom went to punish him. My dad said, “What are you doing in his room? You can’t punish him, you didn’t have jurisdiction to do the search.”

Stopped reading right there.

Ok, I couldn't help myself. Thankfully not everyone there is a weirdo, but this guy stood out to me...

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Ted Cruz is the most conservative guy in the bunch and he’s frankly the smartest guy in the bunch. I was leaning toward Rand Paul until Rand started to give me the impression that he was a little soft. Largely, the reason why I’m a conservative is because I’ve been on public assistance my whole life, and I have always felt ashamed of it. I have two major health conditions — cerebral palsy and an injury to my left hemidiaphragm. The whole idea of welfare and entitlements is to create a permanent underclass. They’ll give you plenty of handouts, but they won’t give you any hand-ups.”

So, he thinks someone will find a job for him if welfare goes away?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: curly on January 31, 2016, 03:01:59 PM

Quote from: brob on January 31, 2016, 02:25:21 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/iowa-new-hampshire-gop-voters-poll.html#

 :doge :doge :doge

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You’ll notice that there are no noticeable faces of color on this page; this is because we did not come across any nonwhite GOP voters in our travels.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2016, 03:15:50 PM

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"The life of one American is worth how many of the Islamic people that come in here, even if there’s only one in a million of them that [are] a threat?"

:oreilly

Quote

"I just want to feel safe like I felt like I did with George W. after 9/11. He had just taken office, and that kind of ruined his presidency, in a way. Our president now isn’t tough at all. I don’t think he cares. I think he’s an economic — I can’t say Hitler. But part of me feels like he does the national debt on purpose, because I feel like he hates America."

Lots of feels with this one.

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"I first learned about Rand Paul in the ‘08 election. One of my friends told me, ‘Hey, this guy is talking about legalizing everything.’ I was like, ‘That’s awesome. I want to check that out.’”

:lol

Quote

"Trump’s not weak. There’s a difference between light and darkness and we believe he’s more on the middle."

Yup. Orange.

Quote

"I don’t think Trump should be excluding all Muslims. It’s so … racist, almost. It takes away from the freedom. I think there should be some restrictions, just not too strict, and not too lenient. Because that’s where we have problems. If it was Hillary Clinton versus Trump, I think I’d go for him. But if it was him or any of the other Republicans, I would not vote for him."

:rofl

I've turned around on this article.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2016, 03:35:25 PM

Man, that whole article is nothing but white people whining.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2016, 03:37:58 PM

The way they see Trump is amazing. One guy thinks he's a mix of Kennedy and Reagan. One woman practucally says she fell in love with him, "the Ford of our time."

It's so ridiculous it has to be cherrypicked. The entire thing is quote-worthy.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2016, 03:40:30 PM

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We attended a Christmas-themed Trump rally and a gun show where AR-15s were being sold alongside “historical” Confederate flags. (You’ll notice that there are no noticeable faces of color on this page; this is because we did not come across any nonwhite GOP voters in our travels.)

 :success

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2016, 03:43:42 PM

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Our system is so backwards. Nothing has been working for the past eight years. Something big has got to change so people are safe and financially okay.

Quote

Allison Doyle
From: Cedar Rapids, IA
Age: 24
Occupation: Student
Supporting: Trump

Including you, amirite bae?  :-*

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: curly on January 31, 2016, 03:46:57 PM

All those complaints about political correctness...sounds like a bore poster  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2016, 03:50:01 PM

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"I think it’s unfortunate that we live in a day and age where not everybody is nice and there are segments of the world that aren’t very nice.”

:ryker

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2016, 04:00:53 PM

https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/693900870715625473

 :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: curly on January 31, 2016, 04:01:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on January 31, 2016, 03:35:25 PM

Man, that whole article is nothing but white people whining.

I see legitimate grievances (unemployed, bad health insurance) mixed with a lot of blaming Muslims.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Rufus on January 31, 2016, 04:11:23 PM

And a lot of random flailing from old people.

Also, all the IT people are libertarians. I wonder why that is.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mandark on January 31, 2016, 04:14:35 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2016, 04:00:53 PM

https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/693900870715625473

jon chait just wants to die on that hill, huh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: brob on January 31, 2016, 04:30:50 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/HBGqVIC.png)

I guess it's supposed to be a salute, but it looks like he's seen some gay liberal shit and is having a headache about it

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: octopushover on January 31, 2016, 05:05:11 PM

comparing trump to kennedy

 :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on January 31, 2016, 06:03:27 PM

Quote

I put 32 liberty Republicans into a boardroom with him, and I drilled him for 25 minutes...

:phil

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 31, 2016, 06:09:55 PM

Is Allison Doyle married?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Oblivion on January 31, 2016, 06:57:37 PM

"I just want to feel safe like I felt like I did with George W. after 9/11"

 :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: brawndolicious on January 31, 2016, 09:28:23 PM

A lot of the Trump supporters give me the feeling that they had their life dreams dashed at some point and need someone to pin the blame on. It makes sense that they'd see somebody even as ridiculously fake as Trump as a beacon of hope and all that since he's far from either establishment and blames a lot of problems on foreigners.

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Andrew Freund
From: Manchester, NH
Age: 25
Occupation: IT consultant
Supporting: Undecided

I’m deciding between Jeb, Kasich, Trump.

...

Trump’s unique. He’s qualified. He has executive experience. He’s created jobs — not just on a national but on an international level. A lot of people are worried about some of the things he says. And rightfully so. But it’s difficult to overlook the fact that people are supporting what he’s saying. I mean, when it comes to the Muslim temporary ban, 80 percent of those polled actually agreed with what he said. That’s a strikingly large number. I think he’s a serious contender. I personally think we have bigger issues to deal with right now. But what he’s saying does spark a debate. It does allow the country to talk and ideas to flow.

Only potential Trump supporter I found who actually acknowledges that the dude might be a really real racist. Is it possible that the rest are also in that 20%?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on February 01, 2016, 01:10:13 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Ka4r3Bd.gifv

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2016, 01:12:13 AM

Quote from: Swishercrat on February 01, 2016, 01:10:13 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Ka4r3Bd.gifv

The thread title is becoming increasingly accurate.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2016, 01:33:11 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on January 31, 2016, 06:57:37 PM

"I just want to feel safe like I felt like I did with George W. after 9/11"

 :doge :doge :doge

Maybe she was one of the kids being read to in that classroom?

Quote from: Swishercrat on February 01, 2016, 01:10:13 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Ka4r3Bd.gifv

I know how she feels.

Title: Peter Serafinowicz says, "I gave Mr Trump a tough guy cockney accent."
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2016, 01:39:54 AM

https://youtu.be/-cA0NM5RAY0

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Oblivion on February 01, 2016, 02:03:07 AM

Quote from: Swishercrat on February 01, 2016, 01:10:13 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Ka4r3Bd.gifv

Context?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 06:03:23 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 01, 2016, 02:03:07 AM

Quote from: Swishercrat on February 01, 2016, 01:10:13 AM

http://i.imgur.com/Ka4r3Bd.gifv

Context?

It's his daughter. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 06:04:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feALLLFdj7Y

hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ow! :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Oblivion on February 01, 2016, 06:53:06 PM

Wow, just more proof that nobody likes Ted Cruz.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2016, 07:30:20 PM

That's Arrested Development levels of cringe right there.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 08:00:40 PM

Maybe she was cranky after a long day on a tour bus but man...that don't look right.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2016, 08:19:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 08:00:40 PM

Maybe she was cranky after a long day on a tour bus but man...that don't look right.

The best part is when a gives a little :letsfukk to the camera. :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 08:38:11 PM

Hillary and an unidentified man TIED in Cass County with 8% reporting. It's 19 to 19.

EDGE OF THE SEAT.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 08:38:20 PM

As my friend's uncle, who is Filipino and currently learning English to get his green card, would say: never trust a man who doesn't have an intimate relationship with his daughter.

That's an actual quote btw :dead

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 08:39:26 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/zc7Dat2.jpg)

BIAS

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2016, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 08:38:20 PM

As my friend's uncle, who is Filipino and currently learning English to get his green card, would say: never trust a man who doesn't have an intimate relationship with his daughter.

That's an actual quote btw :dead

You know who's got an intimate relationship with his daughter? This guy right here.

(http://i.imgur.com/GBlZFDt.png)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 01, 2016, 09:25:46 PM

I'm gonna need to know her age in this picture

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 09:26:54 PM

15

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 09:40:15 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2016, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 08:38:20 PM

As my friend's uncle, who is Filipino and currently learning English to get his green card, would say: never trust a man who doesn't have an intimate relationship with his daughter.

That's an actual quote btw :dead

You know who's got an intimate relationship with his daughter? This guy right here.

(http://i.imgur.com/GBlZFDt.png)

Sorry, I didn't watch the unedited version of Cape Fear.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 10:16:29 PM

https://twitter.com/FernandoPeinado/status/694345745420320768

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Atramental on February 01, 2016, 10:16:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 06:04:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feALLLFdj7Y

hey hey hey hey hey hey hey ow! :doge

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2016, 09:24:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 08:38:20 PM

As my friend's uncle, who is Filipino and currently learning English to get his green card, would say: never trust a man who doesn't have an intimate relationship with his daughter.

That's an actual quote btw :dead

You know who's got an intimate relationship with his daughter? This guy right here.

(http://i.imgur.com/GBlZFDt.png)

cringe.exe

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: tiesto on February 01, 2016, 10:21:08 PM

Fuck... Rubio did better than expected. He's the guy I'm most scared of, since he's the only one I think who has a shot of beating Hillary. Trump did worse than expected, too.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 10:24:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbLLzsPb098

HILLARY STEALING DELEGATES

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 10:37:11 PM

O'Malley out

Huckabee out, endorses Trump

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 01, 2016, 11:00:36 PM

Hillary  :lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2016, 11:02:34 PM

Quote from: tiesto on February 01, 2016, 10:21:08 PM

Trump did worse than expected, too.

To be fair, Iowa republicans picked Huckabee and Santorum in the previous two nomination cycles.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 11:25:04 PM

Quote

@mviser
Trump supporters are totally shocked. One woman tearfully says, “It’s just heartbreaking. He really wanted to Make America Great Again."

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mandark on February 01, 2016, 11:30:49 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 10:37:11 PM

Huckabee out, endorses Trump

Did he?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 11:32:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Otk1FRbNR8
ivanka :aah

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 11:33:28 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 01, 2016, 11:30:49 PM

Did he?

Guess that's just a rumor still, he made another comment about it while dropping out. My bad.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2016, 11:37:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DrejuO6ZbMo

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: brob on February 01, 2016, 11:37:10 PM

http://i.imgur.com/rax8eDi.webm

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: brob on February 01, 2016, 11:45:33 PM

http://www.alternet.org/print/speakeasy/brucewilson/ted-cruzs-father-suggested-his-son-anointed-bring-about-end-time-transfer

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    "The pastor [Huch] referred to Proverbs 13:22, a little while ago, which says that the wealth of the wicked is stored for the righteous. And it is through the kings, anointed to take dominion, that that transfer of wealth is going to occur." - Rafael Cruz, August 26, 2012

In a sermon [2] last year at an Irving, Texas, megachurch that helped elect Ted Cruz to the United States Senate, Cruz' father Rafael Cruz indicated that his son was among the evangelical Christians who are anointed as "kings" to take control of all sectors of society, an agenda commonly referred to as the "Seven Mountains" mandate, and "bring the spoils of war to the priests", thus helping to bring about a prophesied "great transfer of wealth", from the "wicked" to righteous gentile believers. link to video [3] of Rafael Cruz describing the "great transfer of wealth" and the role of anointed "kings" in various sectors of society, including government, who are to "bring the spoils of war to the priests".

is this christian sharia :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mods Help on February 01, 2016, 11:47:43 PM

my heart y'all

holy fuck

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Rufus on February 01, 2016, 11:49:48 PM

Quote from: brob on February 01, 2016, 11:37:10 PM

http://i.imgur.com/rax8eDi.webm

Taken from a Jeff Gerstmann model, I take it?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mods Help on February 02, 2016, 12:19:56 AM

saw this on reddit and yeah it's cheesy but i find it funny

-( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)╯╲___卐卐卐卐 Don't mind me, just taking Republicans for a walk

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 12:23:41 AM

Canonically, it is a symbol of eastern spirituality.

 :expert

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mods Help on February 02, 2016, 12:29:47 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 12:23:41 AM

Canonically, it is a symbol of eastern spirituality.

 :expert

yeah that's the Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism one.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: curly on February 02, 2016, 12:40:17 AM

Oh my god American democracy is so dumb:

Quote

Nate Silver 12:05 AM

Another reason why whoever is declared the “winner” of tonight’s Democratic caucuses is as much a matter of spin as anything else: Iowa doesn’t report votes, but instead something called “state delegate equivalents.” It’s possible that more people caucused for Sanders tonight but that Clinton will win more state delegate equivalents because her vote was distributed more evenly. Then again, Clinton did lead in the Iowa entrance polls. Without an actual vote count from Iowa, we’ll never know.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Sausage on February 02, 2016, 12:41:39 AM

https://twitter.com/HarmosRUs/status/680472704634454017

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mods Help on February 02, 2016, 12:46:56 AM

Quote from: curly on February 02, 2016, 12:40:17 AM

Oh my god American democracy is so dumb:

Quote

Nate Silver 12:05 AM

Another reason why whoever is declared the “winner” of tonight’s Democratic caucuses is as much a matter of spin as anything else: Iowa doesn’t report votes, but instead something called “state delegate equivalents.” It’s possible that more people caucused for Sanders tonight but that Clinton will win more state delegate equivalents because her vote was distributed more evenly. Then again, Clinton did lead in the Iowa entrance polls. Without an actual vote count from Iowa, we’ll never know.

https://twitter.com/FernandoPeinado/status/694345745420320768

America is fucking ridiculous.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: thisismyusername on February 02, 2016, 12:51:38 AM

Quote from: curly on January 31, 2016, 03:01:59 PM

Quote from: brob on January 31, 2016, 02:25:21 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/iowa-new-hampshire-gop-voters-poll.html#

 :doge :doge :doge

Quote

You’ll notice that there are no noticeable faces of color on this page; this is because we did not come across any nonwhite GOP voters in our travels.

:neogaf

Damn, if they needed one I could've pointed them toward Florida where A_I_A is currently. :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: brawndolicious on February 02, 2016, 01:16:06 AM

I'll never understand how caucuses work. But reading the results it looks like >150,000 people voted in the Republican caucus and only about 2,000 in the Democratic one. And there's like 3-4 vote (single digit wtf) difference between Bernie and Clinton with Clinton slightly ahead.

Iowa may be meaningless, I dunno but what do those numbers mean in the context of the primary?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 01:16:32 AM

https://mobile.twitter.com/BenjySarlin/status/694346554472292352?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

It's like traveling back to Whiterun :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 01:21:52 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 02, 2016, 01:16:06 AM

I'll never understand how caucuses work. But reading the results it looks like >150,000 people voted in the Republican caucus and only about 2,000 in the Democratic one. And there's like 3-4 vote (single digit wtf) difference between Bernie and Clinton with Clinton slightly ahead.

Iowa may be meaningless, I dunno but what do those numbers mean in the context of the primary?

Dem turnout was 140k actually. It was 240k in 2008. No revolution this year i guess.

It was 125k in 2004.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2016, 01:23:27 AM

http://twitter.com/JmeMiller1974/status/694377650798788609/photo/1

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: brawndolicious on February 02, 2016, 01:26:08 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 01:21:52 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 02, 2016, 01:16:06 AM

I'll never understand how caucuses work. But reading the results it looks like >150,000 people voted in the Republican caucus and only about 2,000 in the Democratic one. And there's like 3-4 vote (single digit wtf) difference between Bernie and Clinton with Clinton slightly ahead.

Iowa may be meaningless, I dunno but what do those numbers mean in the context of the primary?

Dem turnout was 140k actually. It was 240k in 2008. No revolution this year i guess.

It was 125k in 2004.

So did Clinton win?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 01:43:24 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on February 02, 2016, 01:26:56 AM

Martin O'Malley was really fucked over. Dude was the hero this country needed. Fucking America.

He's going to be an amazing trivia answer one day.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 01:47:21 AM

Imagine the feels you'll experience when someone answers "John Edwards?"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 02:33:11 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on February 02, 2016, 01:55:14 AM

Oh God, he is the new John Edwards...

hold on here, let's not get carried away

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 02:46:56 AM

O'Malley had some decent accomplishments (his second term agenda seemed aimed at building a resume to present to Democratic primary voters), but he wasn't particularly beloved.  Obama got a higher share of the vote than he did both times, and his lieutenant governor lost to a Republican trying to succeed him.

Also, you could see the attack ads ahead of time: screwing up implementing the ACA exchanges, putting a tax on rain, and especially the Baltimore jail corruption scandal.  He would've been a fine mainstream Dem candidate, can't imagine he'd add a lot beyond that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 02:58:20 AM

I don't think he even polled at 10% in any of those polls where they'd cut Hillary out.

Had to go back to 2014 for one where they cut both Hillary and Biden, from PPP (adjusting it so undecideds (37%) are a third what they are in the poll):
Andrew Cuomo - 19% (25%)
Elizabeth Warren - 19% (25%)
Cory Booker - 12% (16%)
Kirsten Gillibrand - 6% (8%)
Martin O'Malley - 4% (5%)
Mark Warner - 3% (4%)
Brian Schweitzer -1% (1%)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 03:40:51 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaMkrtcWEAAH1EN.jpg)

Almost eight delegates!

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 05:06:27 AM

Sucks that they didn't ask the same questions.

Most Important Issue:
Government Spending (32%): Cruz 27% - Rubio 21% - Trump 19% - Carson 11% - Paul 9%
Economy/Jobs (27%): Rubio 30% - Trump 24% - Cruz 18% - Carson 9%
Terrorism (25%): Cruz 33% - Rubio 26% - Trump 21% - Carson 8%
Immigration (13%): Trump 44% - Cruz 34% - Rubio 10% - Carson 7%

Economy/Jobs (33%): Clinton 51% - Sanders 42%
Health Care (30%): Clinton 59% - Sanders 38%
Income Inequality (27%): Sanders 61% - Clinton 34%
Terrorism (6%): Clinton 65% - Sanders 28%

Top Candidate Quality:
Shares My Values (42%): Cruz 38% - Rubio 21% - Carson 15% - Paul 7% - Trump 5%
Can Win (21%): Rubio 44% - Trump 24% - Cruz 22%
Can Bring Change (21%): Trump 33% - Cruz 25% - Rubio 17% - Carson 8% - Paul 5%
Tells It Like It Is (14%): Trump 66% - Cruz 11% - Carson 6%

Right Experience (28%): Clinton 88% - Sanders 9%
Cares About People (26%): Sanders 74% - Clinton 22%
Honest And Trustworthy (24%): Sanders 83% - Clinton 10%
Can Win In November (20%): Clinton 77% - Sanders 17%

The Next President Should:
Be Experienced (46%): Rubio 39% - Cruz 35% - Paul 6%
Be Outside The Establishment (48%): Trump 46% - Cruz 20% - Carson 17% - Rubio 7% - Paul 4%

Continue Obama's Policies (55%): Clinton 68% - Sanders 26%
Be More Liberal (33%): Sanders 76% - Clinton 21%
Be Less Liberal (7%): Sanders 50% - Clinton 43%

When Did You Decide Whom To Support:
Before Last Month (35%): Trump 39% - Cruz 26% - Rubio 13% - Carson 9% - Paul 5%
Last Month (20%): Cruz 32% - Rubio 27% - Trump 23% - Carson 8%
Last Week (10%): Cruz 36% - Rubio 27% - Trump 13% - Carson 11%
Last Few Days (19%): Rubio 31% - Cruz 27% - Trump 13% - Carson 8% - Paul 5% - Kasich 5%
Today (16%): Rubio 28% - Cruz 22% - Trump 15% - Carson 13% - Paul 6%

Before Last Month (59%): Clinton 54% - Sanders 42%
Last Month (18%): Sanders 57% - Clinton 41%
Last Few Days (9%): Clinton 46% - Sanders 46% - O'Malley 6%
Today (7%): Clinton 45% - Sanders 42%

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 05:11:10 AM

If anyone is looking to enjoy the schadenfreude of a Trump supporter going through the stages of grieving...

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 05:22:26 AM

Quote

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  48m48 minutes ago
Cruz built that 3000 for lead right at the beginning and held onto the exact same lead 70% of the way. Weird.

 Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  50m50 minutes ago
Trump even won the entry polls by a solid margin yet Cruz lead the vote from the outset.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 05:34:17 AM

I feel like I've seen or heard him before. For some notable fuck up/eye roll moment. Maybe all those guys are blending together for me now.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 06:31:56 AM

http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bernie-sanders-just-changed-the-democratic-party (http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bernie-sanders-just-changed-the-democratic-party)

Quote

That history explains why Sanders emerged as the big winner of the night on the Democratic side. Not only has he pulled off a rags-to-riches story, he has done it on the basis of a message that is more radical than anything Presidential politics has seen in decades—a message that he repeats with such regularity and relentlessness that his stump speech has become familiar to many Americans.

As he looked ahead to carrying on the fight in New Hampshire, he used many of his favorite lines. “It is just too late for establishment politics and establishment economics.” “We do not represent the interests of the billionaire class, Wall Street, or corporate America. We don’t want their money.” “The American people are saying no to a rigged economy.” “We are going to create an economy that works for working families, not just the billionaire class.”

In the face of such an onslaught of populist rhetoric, and the promise of some equally populist policies, what can an establishment politician like Clinton do? If the entrance polls that showed her winning handily had proved accurate, she would have been able to dismiss Sanders as a fringe candidate whose appeal was restricted to New Englanders and white, college-educated liberals. Now she will have to soldier on through New Hampshire, seeking to pull off a surprise comeback victory there, as she did in 2008. And if she can’t quite manage that—the polls, for what they are worth, show Sanders well ahead in New Hampshire—she will hope to turn things around in Nevada, where a Democratic caucus will be held on February 20th, and in the South Carolina Democratic primary, a week later.

No doubt, the going for Sanders will get a lot tougher once the race moves to states with much larger numbers of non-white voters. On the basis of her last name, her organizational ties, and her personal appeal, Clinton’s advantage over Sanders among minority voters appears to be substantial. A few months ago, however, her lead in Iowa also seemed quite substantial. As time progressed, Sanders was able to eat into it and, eventually, to eliminate it.

Speaking on CNN as it got late, David Axelrod, President Obama’s former campaign manager, made an acute point. One of Hillary’s problems is that her campaign is largely about herself—her experience, her electability, and her toughness. “I will keep doing what I have done my entire life,” she said in her non-victory speech. “I will keep standing up for you. I will keep fighting for you.” Sanders, on the other hand, rarely mentions himself in his speeches. His campaign is all about his message of taking American back from the billionaires. And as Axelrod pointed out, it is often easier to inspire people, particularly young people, with an uplifting theme than with a resumé.

This, of course, was also the problem that Clinton faced in 2008, when Obama ran on a message of hope and the slogan “Yes, we can.” In recent weeks, the Clinton campaign’s response to the Sanders and his promises of ambitious policy actions has sometimes seemed to be “No, we can’t.” In Iowa, at least, that didn’t prove to be a winning message.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mupepe on February 02, 2016, 08:00:22 AM

The conversations here at work from the Trump supporters are all :doge

Real quote from a Trump supporter "Well I can at least see how Bernie Sanders won with young people.  It's cool to be a Democrat when you're young and you don't understand anything about politics.  :doge"  <-- He's 26

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mods Help on February 02, 2016, 08:30:58 AM

Where's the "Bernie is Ron Paul" people? Or the "Bernie can't win" people? If Bernie doesn't win, will you admit that a large part of the contribution to that is your default "nothing will ever change, let's not try" "it's only the Internet" "I'm pro-establishment by default" "gogo mediocrity" will be because you decided, from day one, that it was a foregone conclusion that Hilary Clinton was going to win? That's why Dems stay taking L's.

So as it is tradition for democrats, here's yours for last night.

L

Will the "Bernie can't win" "Ron Paul" people continue to use their bad talking points they use to convince themselves that Hilary is a better candidate after last night? Time will tell! :doge

Will they start voting with their heart? Or continue to vote with their "brain?"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mupepe on February 02, 2016, 09:04:26 AM

:doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2016, 09:50:14 AM

All this hoopla from what amounts to an NFL preseason game.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 09:51:58 AM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 02, 2016, 08:30:58 AM

Where's the "Bernie is Ron Paul" people? Or the "Bernie can't win" people? If Bernie doesn't win, will you admit that a large part of the contribution to that is your default "nothing will ever change, let's not try" "it's only the Internet" "I'm pro-establishment by default" "gogo mediocrity" will be because you decided, from day one, that it was a foregone conclusion that Hilary Clinton was going to win? That's why Dems stay taking L's.

So as it is tradition for democrats, here's yours for last night.

L

Will the "Bernie can't win" "Ron Paul" people continue to use their bad talking points they use to convince themselves that Hilary is a better candidate after last night? Time will tell! :doge

Will they start voting with their heart? Or continue to vote with their "brain?"

You know who else almost won Iowa? Ron Paul.

Sanders couldn't win a lily white hyper liberal small caucus. How is he going to beat Hillary anywhere else...outside of Vermont, Utah, Montana, etc?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 10:13:25 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 09:51:58 AM

You know who else almost won Iowa? Ron Paul.

He did win Iowa.  :maf :punch :gun :wag

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:paul

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 02, 2016, 10:57:20 AM

Clinton won by a statistical anamoly, breh. Up by 4 precincts -- 6 precincts decided by coin toss, all to Clinton.



That said, Mods Help take *your* L for that post

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2016, 11:04:42 AM

6 precincts decided by coin toss?  Jesus...is on Hillary's side. 

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Didn't Santorum win Iowa? It feels like a fever dream I had, but I swear that happened.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 02, 2016, 11:09:44 AM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/jebs-last-iowa-rally-hecklers-dated-rhetoric.html?mid=facebook_nymag#

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 11:12:27 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Didn't Santorum win Iowa? It feels like a fever dream I had, but I swear that happened.

He won the straw poll by 24 votes, Paul came like one short of sweeping the delegates at the convention.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 11:17:24 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Didn't Santorum win Iowa? It feels like a fever dream I had, but I swear that happened.

Santorum won the caucus, Paul came in third. Paul managed to steal most of the delegates at the convention.  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 11:40:08 AM

Paul actually won the caucus too, if you think of the actual caucus process. The GOP used to do a presidential straw poll, then most everyone left, then they would pick delegates. Paul's people in 2012 were told to stay until the end in all caucuses. Romney's campaign was the only other one to advise people of this but they were more complacent. Gingrich and Santorum's shit campaigns had no clue. (Thus why they had other mishaps like not making the Virginia ballot.)

They learned it partly from Obama's team in 2008.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 11:46:16 AM

Quote

Ed O'Keefe @edatpost
"I want to be your first," Bush awkwardly tells a college kid who said he will be a first-time voter.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 11:56:15 AM

The kid must have been bald. Bushes can't keep their hands off the follically challenged.

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yes that is a Jeff Gannon reference in 2016
:lawd

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Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2016, 12:45:27 PM

Sanders up 63-30 in NH poll from this weekend lol

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2016, 02:03:01 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Didn't Santorum win Iowa? It feels like a fever dream I had, but I swear that happened.

He had the most votes, but Ron Paul got the most delegates.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 02, 2016, 02:11:12 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2016, 02:03:01 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 02, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Didn't Santorum win Iowa? It feels like a fever dream I had, but I swear that happened.

He had the most votes, but Ron Paul got the most delegates.

ACORN.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 02, 2016, 02:25:50 PM

Can someone help me understand why only 43/44 delegates were won from Iowa? This caucus shit is so confusing.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Rufus on February 02, 2016, 02:26:46 PM

One of the coins landed on the edge, nothing to be done.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Yeti on February 02, 2016, 02:55:53 PM

I think these caucuses are just the political version of Calvinball

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 04:12:56 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 05:11:10 AM

If anyone is looking to enjoy the schadenfreude of a Trump supporter going through the stages of grieving...

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii

He's still going.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 02, 2016, 04:17:29 PM

Shouldn't it be Rock Us With Your Caucus?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making Flint's Tap Water Great Again |OT| Everybody Hates Ted
Post by: FStop7 on February 02, 2016, 04:27:34 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 05:11:10 AM

If anyone is looking to enjoy the schadenfreude of a Trump supporter going through the stages of grieving...

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii

It's like he speaks only in Buzzfeed headlines.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: brawndolicious on February 02, 2016, 06:41:11 PM

I predict that Trump is going to squeak out a win for the nomination with around 40% of the vote and Clinton will basically clean up after New Hampshire. I'd also bet Clinton will get a huge win in the general election because the Sanders campaign would motivate Republicans voting in the primary to choose their most radical candidate, who in their minds would be the best choice to fight the socialist barbarian.

It would be hilarious if California casts the Republican primary swing vote in June.

All I know, is that the next 9 months are going to be a thronging of shlongings for Trump.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Syph on February 02, 2016, 10:21:11 PM

I know I'm super late but Rubio baby
The dream is still alive
 :usacry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 02, 2016, 10:53:27 PM

Rubio's basically been the favorite since Jeb crashed, though.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Brehvolution on February 03, 2016, 08:59:31 AM

That's like pointing to a pile of dog shit and saying, "That turd is the favorite since the other turd fell off."

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2016, 09:50:59 AM

I see some people concerned about Rubio on twitter/gaf/etc but honestly it seems to me like he has the same electoral map problems that everyone else has. Maybe not as drastic but the root problem persists. Hillary won't need Ohio or Florida to win.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2016, 10:01:26 AM

Rubio wants it more than Hillary, he's young and thirsty.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2016, 10:38:09 AM

Rand Paul out.  :paul

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2016, 11:05:41 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/559LwOb.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 03, 2016, 11:10:27 AM

BENJI, YOU OK?

IF YOU'RE OK PLEASE LET US KNOW WHO'S RUNNING ON THE LIBERTARIAN TICKET THIS YEAR

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2016, 11:16:16 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2016, 10:01:26 AM

Rubio wants it more than Hillary, he's young and thirsty.

but he lacks veteran experience off the bench. Marco Rubio/Derek Fisher would be a potent ticket.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: tiesto on February 03, 2016, 11:59:30 AM

Well, there goes the only Republican candidate with a foreign policy that's better than "NUKE ALL DEM AY-RAABS TO THE GROUND!". Not a fan of Rand's economic policies but I liked him much more than most of the other Repubs.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2016, 12:08:57 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2016, 10:38:09 AM

Rand Paul out.  :paul

I for one am shocked!

I think he did a worse job on articulating foreign policy than his father. And the rest of his platform I won't even bother with.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Steve Contra on February 03, 2016, 12:34:21 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2016, 11:16:16 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 03, 2016, 10:01:26 AM

Rubio wants it more than Hillary, he's young and thirsty.

but he lacks veteran experience off the bench. Marco Rubio/Derek Fisher would be a potent ticket.

Oh god I just realized I would 100% watch Skip Bayless doing election analysis.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2016, 01:14:28 PM

In my view, Bernie's got all the intangibles you want in a candidate, he just needs to spend more time in the film room.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Steve Contra on February 03, 2016, 03:13:17 PM

In several arguments I've had in the past few days I've learned that a lot of people think the majority  of the American people have been clamoring for taxpayer funded healthcare and are willing to pay for it.  These people need to get out more.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Brehvolution on February 03, 2016, 03:31:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/zma2MZR.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2016, 03:36:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdCYMvaUcrA
:dead

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: chronovore on February 03, 2016, 03:54:44 PM

Apparently, like momentum, Jeb!mentum only applies to objects in motion.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 03, 2016, 04:14:59 PM

Santorum is discharged

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-santorum-drops-out-2016

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Atramental on February 03, 2016, 04:16:06 PM

I hope it was extra frothy.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2016, 04:51:40 PM

http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-its-no-surprise-that-donald-is-throwing-another-trumpertantrum-hes-losing-it-video/

gotta say, Cruz is good as fuck at being passive aggressive. Trump has to be enraged.  :lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 03, 2016, 05:14:31 PM

If I were Cruz, I would mostly ignore NH and put everything into SC and trying to rile up the evangelicals down there

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2016, 07:14:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GSzw2XdpJo
 :lol

Troll Wars :lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: octopushover on February 03, 2016, 07:28:54 PM

Almost feel bad for Jeb. Like Kathy Bates', it's the bush nobody wanted but got anyway. :(

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 03, 2016, 07:39:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 03, 2016, 03:36:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdCYMvaUcrA
:dead

OUCH

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: brob on February 03, 2016, 08:03:01 PM

Quote from: octopushover on February 03, 2016, 07:28:54 PM

Almost feel bad for Jeb. Like Kathy Bates', it's the bush nobody wanted but got anyway. :(

the funniest part of all this is how the only thing the Jeb! campaign has done is ruin his reputation has 'the smart one'

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 03, 2016, 08:18:31 PM

Quote from: octopushover on February 03, 2016, 07:28:54 PM

Almost feel bad for Jeb. Like Kathy Bates', it's the bush nobody wanted but got anyway. :(

I feel bad for him in the sense that he ran too late before the era of embracing your inner bigot in public was in vogue for Republicans.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: thisismyusername on February 03, 2016, 08:24:16 PM

Quote from: brob on February 03, 2016, 08:03:01 PM

Quote from: octopushover on February 03, 2016, 07:28:54 PM

Almost feel bad for Jeb. Like Kathy Bates', it's the bush nobody wanted but got anyway. :(

the funniest part of all this is how the only thing the Jeb! campaign has done is ruin his reputation has 'the smart one'

Eh, I still see Jeb! as the smart one. Just not really "street smart."

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 04, 2016, 12:49:54 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 03, 2016, 03:13:17 PM

In several arguments I've had in the past few days I've learned that a lot of people think the majority  of the American people have been clamoring for taxpayer funded healthcare and are willing to pay for it.  These people need to get out more.

"A majority of the American people actually support my views, and if a candidate speaks boldly to those principles they will win and break through the corrupt political system that's been stifling reform."

It's crazy how many people think that, across different ideologies no less.  Libruls, tea partiers, even above-the-fray moderates.  I swear every four years Tom Friedman writes the same column about some movement to draft an independent candidate who will unify the country, because people are tired of bickering partisanship.

All of them are wrong, of course.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 04, 2016, 01:05:00 AM

That's only because no one has yet had the balls to run on my 2020 platform:

"The first thing we do is kill all the lawyers"

I'm googling the drape measurements for the Oval Office right now

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2016, 08:37:24 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/lloyd-blankfein-bernie-sanders-218689

Banksters are feeling the Bern, and it's got them legit shook.  :lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Brehvolution on February 04, 2016, 11:30:25 AM

(https://i.imgflip.com/ylkdk.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2016, 11:45:03 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/XC7y8Am.png)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 04, 2016, 02:10:21 PM

I cant tell if the black power fists are worse or the condescending message. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 04, 2016, 02:11:14 PM

Like do they not keep a house black to vet this kind of shit for them?  SMH GOP.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Atramental on February 04, 2016, 02:17:20 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-one-will-push-you-running-president-jeb-bush-so-52295

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 04, 2016, 02:51:08 PM

http://theslot.jezebel.com/tragically-awkward-jeb-bush-to-young-voter-i-want-to-b-1756649772

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2016, 03:28:05 PM

Anyone who has been forced by their parents to do something has to have some level of sympathy for poor Jeb.
:tocry

when I was a kid my parents forced me to become the church announcement reader. I had to go up to the pulpit and read various announcements n shit, slightly before the pastor would take the stage. Sometimes my dad would convince my brothers to yell out "atta boy Luther."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ItIZJmaSc

:brazilcry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2016, 04:02:16 PM

Jeb!'s campaign will have an awesome postmortem written some day, maybe after Barb and Poppy pass on.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Brehvolution on February 04, 2016, 04:10:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 04, 2016, 03:28:05 PM

Anyone who has been forced by their parents to do something has to have some level of sympathy for poor Jeb.
:tocry

I had to be in church plays.  :goty2

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Atramental on February 04, 2016, 04:57:34 PM

Having to enroll at BJU.  :goty

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: octopushover on February 05, 2016, 11:30:06 AM

North Korea? That's what happens when you build your foreign policy on internet buzz.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 05, 2016, 01:20:38 PM

https://imgur.com/2WWcNu2

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 05, 2016, 02:37:30 PM

Yeah, it made sense for her to be there in context tho

Quote

It should be noted that Clinton was a New York Senator at the time of the photo-op, participating in a groundbreaking event that was funded by more than $200 million in tax breaks and grants meant to keep businesses from leaving lower Manhattan in the aftermath of the September 11 terrorist attacks. In other words, it makes sense that Clinton would be at the ceremony.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Brehvolution on February 05, 2016, 03:10:18 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/FfQUbfS.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Rufus on February 05, 2016, 03:56:25 PM

It's based on a Kermit meme, they just switched out the head.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: studyguy on February 05, 2016, 06:57:14 PM

I feel bad for Jeb!
Heard NPR this morning about him rolling around with his mom now... He had a sad little realization in the clip too.
Something like "Wow, well mom I don't normally draw this large a crowd..."
 :neogaf :goty2

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 05, 2016, 07:09:57 PM

His mom is blunt as fuck too. Imagine all the negative shit she says to him behind the scenes.

Jeb :brazilcry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2016, 01:03:02 AM

Man, I've got a hot take in my head about Trump basically being the new Bill Buckley, but none of my online spaces are populated with enough snooty conservatives to really rustle any jimmies.  What a waste.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 02:50:11 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 03, 2016, 11:10:27 AM

BENJI, YOU OK?

IF YOU'RE OK PLEASE LET US KNOW WHO'S RUNNING ON THE LIBERTARIAN TICKET THIS YEAR

Gary Johnson unless the convention revolts against him, which it probably won't because you can generally trust in the convention to weed out the "child molestation isn't wrong if it's consensual", loser Republicans trying to get a second wind, various anarchists and just plain weirdos for the biggest name.

Except for 2008 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Libertarian_National_Convention), which never happened. NEVER HAPPENED.

And except for 2004. There's still no proof Badnarik actually was nominated instead of everybody assuming he was when he said so. (Though I kinda like the guy.)

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From Wikipedia:

Quote

At the 2004 Libertarian National Convention, Badnarik gained substantial support following the candidates' debate (broadcast live on C-SPAN). In the closest presidential nomination race in the Libertarian Party's 32-year history, all three candidates polled within 12 votes of each other on the first ballot (Russo 258, Badnarik 256, Nolan 246). When the second ballot placed the candidates in the same order, Gary Nolan was eliminated and threw his support to Badnarik; Badnarik won the nomination on the third ballot 417 to 348, with None of the Above receiving six votes.

Nolan had been the "assumed" candidate. None of the Above was robbed.

Sidenote to this sidenote: At the LPC, if None of the Above wins so many times (I think twice, might be three times), all the existing candidates are barred and new ones have to be nominated.

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Rand wasn't looking like he'd be competitive for Michigan anyhow, so I definitely get to vote for Bernie now. If I vote. Which I might. My mom's going to be working the polls now that she's retired, she wanted to for a while, and I kept telling her to do so before a Presidential election so you aren't thrown into the wolves. Luckily, Michigan has three elections before the general election this year!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 02:52:33 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 04, 2016, 12:49:54 AM

I swear every four years Tom Friedman writes the same column about some movement to draft an independent candidate who will unify the country, because people are tired of bickering partisanship.

Friedman (and Brooks who sometimes writes the same column) got beat this cycle:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/why-mike-bloomberg-can-win-1454542034


http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/267403-luntz-bloomberg-can-win-the-presidency
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-richie/how-mike-bloomberg-could_b_9065804.html

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 03:38:32 AM

Quote

Iowa Democratic Party officials are reviewing results from the Iowa caucuses and making updates where discrepancies have been found.

Party Chairwoman Andy McGuire the day after Monday's caucuses said no review would be conducted, and that Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton’s narrow victory over Bernie Sanders was final.

But as errors are being discovered, the final tally is being changed, party officials confirmed to the Des Moines Register on Friday.

"Both the Sanders and Clinton campaigns have flagged a very small number of concerns for us, and we are looking at them all on a case-by-case basis," Iowa Democratic Party spokesman Sam Lau told the Register.

The latest development follows widespread questions among Iowa Democrats and national media about the accuracy of the counts reported on caucus night, which saw the second-highest number of participants and closest result in Democrats' caucus history.

The Register, too, has received numerous reports that the results announced at precincts Monday night don't match what the Iowa Democratic Party has posted on its official results website.

Just one example: Grinnell precinct No. 1.

At least three caucusgoers there (including Dan McCue and Zack Stewart) and the Grinnell College newspaper reported that Sanders won 19 county delegates and Clinton 7, but party officials said the final tally was Sanders 18 and Clinton 8.

“19-7 is right,” Pablo Silva, a Grinnell College professor who was precinct secretary, told the Register Friday. “It is complicated, but the issue comes down to a problem with the math that can be complicated in large precincts. Short version: On Monday night, the IDP felt we had not done it right, and they attempted to correct what they saw as errors. We’ve been in touch since then. They are acknowledging our results, but, as I write, will wait on the arrival of our paperwork.”

Lau confirmed those details.

Say what you will about the Republicans but they did a pretty good overhaul of their Presidential primary process this cycle. The Paul and Tea Party people running roughshod over the old processes in almost every state the last five years must have put quite the fright into them to separate and simplify stuff.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 06, 2016, 04:23:35 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity08

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_Elect

Then there was Lawrence Lessig and his plan (http://www.fastcoexist.com/3049868/lawrence-lessigs-crazy-plan-to-run-for-president-fix-campaign-finance-and-resign) to get elected, pass campaign finance reform, then immediately resign.  Which was a different kind of goofy, but still.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 05:57:53 AM

Bloomberg's always a good example of what you mentioned in my opinion, socially progressive fiscally moderate-to-conservative billionaire tycoon whose big personal issues are gun control and salt. Yeah, that's the kind of guy who the country is clamoring for. But in punditocracy he's kinda the king of the "important people" circle. Even Trump figured out to run on immigration/trade/jobs while working his wealth both ways "higher taxes/I'm awesome!" (As did Perot.)

Rudy had something similar going in GOP circles where they imagined all this crossover appeal because he was a R who won in NYC and pro-choice, pro-gays, etc. yet was tough on crime/terrorism. Colin Powell before him only with foreign policy instead of crime/terrorism. Sam Nunn an inverse.

Obama, Bill Clinton, and H.W. Bush were kinda these types of Presidents, although not candidates perhaps, with socially acceptable views (even if wink-wink) and otherwise not too much of a boat rocker. W. Bush by contrast had that whole born again thing going on and went to bed early. Reagan had his unacceptable rhetoric. Carter had his scolding and being his own chief of staff thing, he also didn't care for the gala circuit either.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 06:08:43 AM

Johm McCain had the same thing going for a little while too. There were people wanting a third party run in 2004 or being Kerry's running mate. (Including Kerry himself.) And then years later people like Brooks wanted him to pick Lieberman as his running mate as that kind of dream ticket.

Though McCain wasn't really ever the ideal candidate issue wise, he had, like Lieberman, just fit himself in with the media so much and took shots at his own party from time to time.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 06, 2016, 09:05:28 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 06, 2016, 04:23:35 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unity08

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Americans_Elect

Then there was Lawrence Lessig and his plan (http://www.fastcoexist.com/3049868/lawrence-lessigs-crazy-plan-to-run-for-president-fix-campaign-finance-and-resign) to get elected, pass campaign finance reform, then immediately resign.  Which was a different kind of goofy, but still.

I can't wait for our country to become the Twitch Plays Pokemon of Democracy.

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(http://i.imgur.com/0VD1rX9.gif)

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 04:00:25 PM

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519gTca3AIL.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mupepe on February 06, 2016, 05:38:09 PM

Written by drinkys cousin?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: thisismyusername on February 06, 2016, 05:44:15 PM

Quote from: Pallando on February 04, 2016, 04:57:34 PM

Having to enroll at BJU.  :goty

Look at it this way, you can say you enrolled in Blow Job Uni.

...On second thought, maybe that doesn't work in your particular case... :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 06, 2016, 06:22:09 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 06, 2016, 04:00:25 PM

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519gTca3AIL.jpg)

that's almost an inverted cross.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 06, 2016, 06:36:03 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 06, 2016, 05:38:09 PM

Written by drinkys cousin?

When he's not riding his scooter, Mr. Erickson enjoys spending time with his family and testifying for his lord and savior, Jesus Christ.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2016, 11:46:25 PM

Someone call Rubio's next of kin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQXVijenLfE

:dead

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 06, 2016, 11:53:45 PM

Get legit shook by Christie, brehs. :neogaf

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 07, 2016, 12:46:13 AM

Holy shit that is brutal.  Since when can you boo in a debate btw?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: brawndolicious on February 07, 2016, 02:26:57 AM

David Muir grabbing Jeb to cool it down.  :lol

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 07, 2016, 12:46:13 AM

Holy shit that is brutal.  Since when can you boo in a debate btw?

That's actually been happening at a lot of Republican debates, mostly due to something Trump said. I guess that door can't be shut now but it's easy to see why it happened tonight. The funny thing is Rubio is their best shot at winning the general election but he just flopped around like he was being gutted by an Iron Chef.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Take My Breh Away on February 07, 2016, 09:25:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA

:dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mupepe on February 07, 2016, 10:09:00 AM

"Don't walk away from me, Bernie Sanders!" got me good

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Boogie on February 07, 2016, 10:18:25 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 06, 2016, 11:46:25 PM

Someone call Rubio's next of kin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQXVijenLfE

:dead

Christie calling Rubio out on memorized rote answers, while cribbing his burn from The West Wing. ;)

http://youtu.be/Lod2v3TMqjk

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2016, 05:35:25 PM

I will say this though...Rubio ultimately makes a good point. Is Obama the most incompetent feckless president of all time or has he "changed" America and been effective at implementing his agenda? It can't be both. Name some presidents with more consequential legislative victories over the last 60 years. LBJ obviously, but after that I'm not sure anyone trumps Obama.

This entire fight for the nomination revolves entirely around shit that Obama has done. Obamacare, stimulus, Dodd Frank etc are mentioned at every debate.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on February 07, 2016, 09:50:16 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/yQQ0Ebg.gif)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Atramental on February 07, 2016, 11:53:48 PM

The tow truck union needs the extra work!  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2016, 12:20:04 AM

Hillary supporters did the Bernie bro thing with Obama in 08, too:

(http://i.imgur.com/vYLyo5L.png)
http://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2016, 12:36:13 AM

But there really was a huge amount of sexism directed towards Hillary by Obama supporters during that campaign, at least as I saw it (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11394359#post11394359).

What point are you trying to make with these posts?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 08, 2016, 02:40:21 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 07, 2016, 05:35:25 PM

I will say this though...Rubio ultimately makes a good point. Is Obama the most incompetent feckless president of all time or has he "changed" America and been effective at implementing his agenda? It can't be both. Name some presidents with more consequential legislative victories over the last 60 years. LBJ obviously, but after that I'm not sure anyone trumps Obama.

This entire fight for the nomination revolves entirely around shit that Obama has done. Obamacare, stimulus, Dodd Frank etc are mentioned at every debate.

The cult of Reagan is stupid as shit, but the sea change to conservative politics during his reign is certainly not insignificant, and we're at year 13 and counting of W's "Operation Let's Make the Middle East Even More of a Fustercluck", which to date really does still drive a lot of our major foreign and domestic policy decisions.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 08:05:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR1kV2hBaGY

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2016, 09:25:18 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 08, 2016, 12:36:13 AM

But there really was a huge amount of sexism directed towards Hillary by Obama supporters during that campaign, at least as I saw it (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11394359#post11394359).

What point are you trying to make with these posts?

Agreed. If anything I'd say there's a #duality between legitimate complaints about sexism and Hillary supporters' refusal to admit sexism isn't the only or biggest reason people really dislike her. GAF is full of people calling Hillary a bitch, she's called a cunt often on social media, etc. On the other hand every debate or event features her saying something that just boggles the mind with how asinine it is. Like Rubio, if you can throw her off her talking points things go poorly. Hence using 911 to justify her Wall St support, her defense of the Goldman Sachs speaking fees, the recent refusal to release transcripts of her paid speeches, etc. It's Romney-esque in terms of clumsy obliviousness.

I think Hillary is a weak politician who has spent her career following the winds of political opinion without actually getting anything done (as a senator). I get why people don't trust or like her. But she's smart and holds no illusions with how DC works or the hatred she inspires from republicans. And I'll be voting for her in November assuming she's not in jail  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 08, 2016, 09:51:12 AM

Did you just remember a specific post you made on neogaf nearly a decade ago, Mandark?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 08, 2016, 09:55:14 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 08:05:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR1kV2hBaGY

:lol what a mess

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 08, 2016, 10:02:18 AM

He had to take a little nap on the way out.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2016, 10:46:08 AM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/26FPAz3wpkh74I2ju/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: helios on February 08, 2016, 12:09:20 PM

That dude is a goddamn neurosurgeon

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2016, 12:40:48 PM

Honestly when I saw it live I assumed he did it as some bullshit humility thing, ie let every one else go out on stage first.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Atramental on February 08, 2016, 12:46:56 PM

Quote from: Dufus on February 08, 2016, 11:07:33 AM

Whatever software was used for that gif, I need to get on that shit :lol

Adobe After Effects, I assume.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 12:57:50 PM

Trump was the only one smart enough not to go out with a suspicious looking black man behind him.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 08, 2016, 01:06:21 PM

Reminder that PD voted for this. (http://www.mlive.com/news/ann-arbor/index.ssf/2016/02/see_the_cake_michigan_governor.html)

(http://i.imgur.com/u4ITd4l.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 08, 2016, 01:10:56 PM

The L that keeps on giving

:neogaf

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 01:12:41 PM

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"I had no idea, like seriously no idea," laughed Leavitt. "We delivered it to the West End Grill and put it down and I'm taking photos of the cake. Then Claudia, who was also working on the cake with me, looks up and sees Rick Snyder on all the photos in the room, and so we put two and two together.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 02:20:01 PM

HILLARY DOOMED (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-staff-shakeup-218955)

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Hillary and Bill Clinton are so dissatisfied with their campaign’s messaging and digital operations they are considering staffing and strategy changes after what’s expected to be a loss in Tuesday’s primary here, according to a half-dozen people with direct knowledge of the situation.

The Clintons -- stung by her narrow victory in Iowa -- had been planning to reassess staffing at the campaign’s Brooklyn headquarters after the first four primaries, but the Clintons have become increasingly caustic in their criticism of aides and demanded the reassessment sooner, a source told POLITICO.

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“The Clintons are not happy, and have been letting all of us know that,” said one Democratic official who speaks regularly to both. “The idea is that we need a more forward-looking message, for the primary – but also for the general election too… There’s no sense of panic, but there is an urgency to fix these problems right now.”

Ultimately, the disorganization is the candidate’s own decision-making, which lurches from hands-off delegation in times of success to hands-around-the-throat micromanagement when things go south.

At the heart of problem this time, staffers, donors and Clinton-allied operatives say, was the Clinton’s decision not to appoint a single empowered chief strategist – a role the forceful but controversial Mark Penn played in 2008 – and disperse decision-making responsibility to a sprawling team with fuzzy lines of authority.

“There’s nobody sitting in the middle of this empowered to create a message and implement it,” said one former Obama 2008 aide. “They are kind of rudderless… occasionally Hillary grabs the rudder, but until recently she was that interested in [working on messaging]… Look, she going to be the nominee, but she’s not going to get any style points and if she isn’t careful she is going to be a wounded nominee. And they better worked this shit out fast because who ever the Republicans pick is going to be 29 times tougher than Bernie.”

The focus of their dissatisfaction in recent days is the campaign’s top pollster and strategist Joel Benenson, whom one Clinton insider described as being “on thin ice,” as the former first couple vented its frustrations about messaging following Clinton’s uncomfortably close 0.25 percent win in last week’s caucuses. Benenson, multiple staffers and operatives say, has been equally frustrated with the Clintons’ habit of tapping a rolling cast of about a dozen outside advisers – who often have the candidate’s ear outside the official channels of communication.

The result is a muddled all-the-above messaging strategy that emphasizes different messages – and mountains of arcane policy proposals – in stark contrast to Bernie Sanders’ punchy and relentless messaging on income inequality.

In President Obama’s two successful campaigns, access to the candidate was carefully monitored by campaign manager David Plouffe and other top advisers to ensure that the messaging and communications teams had coherent and cohesive short- and long-term plans. So far Clinton ’16 – which is supposed to be modeled on the Obama efforts – has functioned sloppily, with the Clintons absorbing off-the-books advice – even strategy memos – from family friends and advisers like Sidney Blumenthal, branding expert Gary Spence, ex-Virginia Rep. Don Beyer, current Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe and even Penn, who speaks exclusively to the former president, according to multiple sources.

In recent days, Hillary Clinton has tasked her campaign manager Robbie Mook – an expert at field organizing who commands the nearly unanimous loyalty of his staff – to expand his role from primary-and-caucus-state ground game logistics to messaging, with an additional emphasis on beefing up the campaign’s underperforming digital operation, which is seen as a key to challenging Sanders’ primacy with Democrats under 30.

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Insiders said the problem remains her message. “The message is, she’s fighting. She’s fighting for you,” said one ally. “We have to drive that.”

The mention of Bill makes me wonder, seriously, has there been any genuine affection displayed between them in this campaign?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2016, 02:58:16 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 08, 2016, 12:36:13 AM

But there really was a huge amount of sexism directed towards Hillary by Obama supporters during that campaign, at least as I saw it (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=11394359#post11394359).

What point are you trying to make with these posts?

I suppose my point is something you covered already in '08: That Clinton supporters cynically try to use the perception of sexism to paint her as a victim and make valid criticism of her out of bounds.

But maybe, like in '08, it's still not working as well as hoped?

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CONCORD, N.H. — On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, Hillary Clinton’s quest to become the country’s first female president has encountered an unexpected problem: She is having trouble persuading women, young and old, to rally behind her cause.

The latest sign came Sunday, when a new CNN-WMUR survey here showed Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont beating Clinton among women by eight percentage points — which represents a big shift from the results last week in the Iowa caucuses, where Clinton won women by 11 points.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/02/07/8c73740c-c50a-11e5-a4aa-f25866ba0dc6_story.html

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 08, 2016, 03:15:47 PM

Is it sexism to not want to vote for someone out of fear that will blow up the world after a bad period  of Russian aggression?

Does everyone just forget how Margaret Thatcher made the Scots do things they weren't into during a bad period  of economic downturn and almost caused them to secede a few decades later when they were still disgusted by what they had to do for the sake of the union?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVgHaTPM38A

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: brob on February 08, 2016, 03:20:33 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2016, 02:58:16 PM

That Clinton supporters cynically try to use the perception of sexism to paint her as a victim and make valid criticism of her out of bounds.

Which is in turn used to make valid criticism of the sexism out of bounds. You don't have to participate in this reactionary clown car race you know.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2016, 03:21:37 PM

That's ironic given how toxic the Clintons attempt to retain black support in 08 became. That movement, perhaps culminating with the South Carolina "fairy tale" comment by Bill, really hurt them. And we're kind of seeing a similar thing play out now with a couple prominent Clinton supporters slamming women who dare vote for Sanders.

I don't think women will abandon Hillary like black people did in 08 but even losing a few points could hurt her in the primaries....oh wait, she's running against Bernie Sanders. It doesn't matter, she's going to win handily.
:obama

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2016, 03:31:41 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2016, 02:58:16 PM

I suppose my point is something you covered already in '08: That Clinton supporters cynically try to use the perception of sexism to paint her as a victim and make valid criticism of her out of bounds.

First, if there are repeated instances of sexism/racism in a community and everyone's first response is to close ranks and dismiss it as a problem, you gotta re-examine some shit.

Second, on the subject of "making valid criticism of [a candidate] out of bounds" HOOOOOO BOY do Bernie fans deal poorly with their boy getting anything but gushing praise.  Basically everything is an orchestrated attempt by the plutocracy and its sheeple to suppress a revolution.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2016, 03:36:48 PM

Well we all know you're a member of the establishment so your criticisms of Bernie Sanders aren't surprising, Mandark.

(http://i.imgur.com/mRzQzD7.png)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Atramental on February 08, 2016, 03:42:23 PM

https://youtube.com/watch?v=oFNfU7jtidQ

 :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 03:48:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 08, 2016, 03:36:48 PM

Well we all know you're a member of the establishment so your criticisms of Bernie Sanders aren't surprising, Mandark.

(http://i.imgur.com/mRzQzD7.png)

Why won't she release all the transcripts and recordings of her Goldman Sachs ceremonies speeches?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 03:53:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAiiiZUiGRU

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(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2522776.1454806430!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/508745676.jpg)

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 04:01:40 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/sanderss-party-problem/460293/

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When a party chooses its presidential candidate, it also chooses its party leader in the election. This year the Democrats face an unusual situation. Bernie Sanders isn’t just an outsider to the party establishment; he’s not even been a member of the party, and has long excoriated it in unsparing language. Although the media haven’t much focused on this history, the early signs suggest it could become a problem for Sanders in getting the nomination—and a problem for the party if he does get it.

:doge

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NYBamBam • 7 hours ago
For over 20 years, the Clinton mafia and their allies have wiped out any Democratic candidate who did not espouse neoliberal values. Their success depended on 'the captured' New Deal/Great Society democrats, based in the idea that these voters had no where to go. By the time the economy collapsed, there was precious little to vote for except neoliberal, bait-and-switch Democrats or wingnut Republicans.

So we coalesed around Obama and blew the Clintons away in 2008. Unfortunately, Obama was a bait-and-switch Democrat too. A Clinton presidency, in all but name, who threw everyone in economic danger under a bus in the worst economic climate since the Great Depression, while saving the rich and the guilty.

Then the cheap seats had their say in 2010 and 2014, we showed them that 'captured voters' do have another option besides voting for that Ivy League, banker boy crap: we can just stay home on election day.

I think it says volumes about the state of the Democratic party that an outsider, who attacked the party leadership for decades is overthrowing Clinton's coronation by neoliberal leaders. It says we aren't voting for Ivy League, banker boy, New World Order Democrats any more. Those running for other offices should catch a clue quickly. Neoliberalism is dead and defeat awaits all those who peddle that Republican-lite, elitist crap.

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Nopoisonforme  NYBamBam • 3 hours ago
Right on! Go Bernie!
What they don't realize though, and Bernie tries to say it, this is just the beginning. It will not stop with the 2016 general election for president. What Bernie has started will grow beyond their belief.

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Nick Raven • 4 hours ago
Bernie is what the Democratic Party used to be. I am 65 a life long registered Democrat. If the party elite decide there is no room for Bernie, then I'll decide there is no room for me. You pundits have it backwards, the Democratic Party should accept Bernie. If the party looses many voters like me who have voted in every election since 72, and by the way never for a Republican, they will be a minority party.

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John Armstrong • 5 hours ago
It may be hard for an academic even a very liberal one to truly understand the alienation that has happened to the working people of this country. In order to regain power the Democratic party abandoned us in the 1980's and 1990's. Clintonian triangulation brought it back to power but at an enormous cost. One person's free trade is another's unemployment. Entire regions have been decimated. Why? So we can buy cheap Chinese sneakers at a Walmart? To make sure the Walton's stay rich? My liberal friends say free trade is inevitable. If we look at all of the historical abuses of capitalism, child labor, eighty hour work weeks, unsafe factories, polluted environment, all of those things at one time or another were deemed inevitable by many.
With Sanders we dare to believe that the box you have put us in is made of cardboard, and it's time to break out.

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baboo • 5 hours ago
What Sanders says is true. The Democratic party was taken over by corporatists - the DLC and the Clintons - in the 90s. This coup reconstructed Democratic politics around the trickle down voodoo economics espoused by Reagan. The author, Paul Starr, was a White House counselor to Bill Clinton and one of the architects of Democratic neoliberalism.

Under their leadership, Democrats abandoned the working class, and worked with the Republicans to destroy the achievements of the New Deal. Sanders represents the leader of the resistance, the old style Democratic politics of FDR - when the party was loved and dominated American politics. He certainly represents a threat to the way of doing business of most elected officials, but they are despised by the American public. Let's remember that Congress ranks below cockroaches according to the American public.

:aah

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 08, 2016, 04:03:23 PM

Speaking of criticizing Bernie, is there a good explanation out there for how breaking up the larger banks would prevent another financial crisis?

Actual question, since the people I read on this subject are skeptical of TBTF as a useful framework (and it doesn't really jibe with how I learned to understand bank runs waaaay back in the day), I haven't really been exposed to the counterargument.

Anyone linking me to Matt Taibbi can get the fuck outta here though.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2016, 04:13:20 PM

Quote from: brob on February 08, 2016, 03:20:33 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 08, 2016, 02:58:16 PM

That Clinton supporters cynically try to use the perception of sexism to paint her as a victim and make valid criticism of her out of bounds.

Which is in turn used to make valid criticism of the sexism out of bounds. You don't have to participate in this reactionary clown car race you know.

A fair point. The author of that '08 piece (the woman, not Mandark) had a good point today as well:

(http://i.imgur.com/BJNZLqO.png)
https://twitter.com/rtraister

Thinking about it, I think the Bernie bro criticism upset me because:

a. I hadn't encountered it in real life
b. I didn't find it important to my goals (i.e. another progressive being elected)

Ironically, both of those things are common criticisms by feminists of patriarchy/positions of privilege.

I'm going to take the L on this one and acknowledge that anti-feminists and even misogynists do support Bernie Sanders, whether I like it or not. Going forward, I will not attempt to invalidate these observations, and I will be more careful not to dismiss feminists' claims because I don't consciously encounter them or because they don't align with my worldview.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: curly on February 08, 2016, 04:19:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 04:01:40 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/02/sanderss-party-problem/460293/

 :aah

The Democratic party tearing itself apart :rejoice

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 04:31:38 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 08, 2016, 04:03:23 PM

Speaking of criticizing Bernie, is there a good explanation out there for how breaking up the larger banks would prevent another financial crisis?

Actual question, since the people I read on this subject are skeptical of TBTF as a useful framework (and it doesn't really jibe with how I learned to understand bank runs waaaay back in the day), I haven't really been exposed to the counterargument.

Anyone linking me to Matt Taibbi can get the fuck outta here though.

Monopoly capital accumulation in large organizations is the crisis of the last stage of capitalism. Maybe listen to some actual economists who know about economies and banks and Wall Street and capitalists and stuff instead of neoliberal banker boy shills?

http://robertreich.org/post/137109198285

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If you haven’t yet seen “The Big Short” – directed and co-written by Adam McKay, based on the non-fiction prize-winning book by Michael Lewis about the housing and credit bubble that triggered the Great Recession — I recommend you do so.

...

Most importantly, the movie shows why Bernie Sanders’s plan to break up the biggest banks and reinstate the Glass-Steagall Act (separating investment from commercial banking) is necessary – and why Hillary Clinton’s more modest plan is inadequate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_uA6q7J2lk

More facts supporters can be found at: https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Wall-St-Letter-1.pdf

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OsHDbtV-ZM

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"Political Revolution!!" arrow looks like a dick jizzing. He drew another arrow like this in one of his other videos.

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 08, 2016, 06:16:47 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/44ph08/what_happened_to_marco_rubio_in_the_latest_gop/czrzf6y

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Steve Contra on February 08, 2016, 08:28:45 PM

Since Bernie isn't actually going to break up the banks, how would he make incremental changes to strengthen the current system?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 09:08:16 PM

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Kara Lessin is a 23-year-old in her final year at Harvard who has volunteered for Sanders but was excited by Clinton eight years ago. “The ‘I’m a woman and it’s OK to vote with your uterus’ message is tired,” she said. “Bernie really understands systemic oppression. Her neo-liberal politics is pretty tired.”

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 09:18:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBX0Z1MkDyQ

get a hotfix out quick #PatchTuesday

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 10:10:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYGmJqvQNfo

 :lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 08, 2016, 11:42:51 PM

O man he loves this attention. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 08, 2016, 11:49:49 PM

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Jeb Bush said Monday he would "eliminate" the Supreme Court decision that paved the way for super PACs.

"If I could do it all again I'd eliminate the Supreme Court ruling" Citizens United, Bush told CNN's Dana Bash. "This is a ridiculous system we have now where you have campaigns that struggle to raise money directly and they can't be held accountable for the spending of the super PAC that's their affiliate."

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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Bush has wasted $120 million of special interest money on his failed campaign, he says he would end super PACs. Sad!
2:47 PM - 8 Feb 2016

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Oblivion on February 09, 2016, 12:04:23 AM

The Donald ain't wrong tho.  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2016, 12:10:34 AM

Super PACs are bad, says the candidate whose Super PAC has raised the most money by far.

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Talking about Hillary, of course. :doge

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2016, 08:50:36 AM

Sad!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 11:01:12 AM

(http://pbs.twimg.com/media/CayBIwRXEAA4m6Y.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 11:11:20 AM

http://theresurgent.com/the-marco-rubio-robot-bull/ (http://theresurgent.com/the-marco-rubio-robot-bull/)

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Much of the political press leans left and has zero experience in politics. Perhaps they graduated Ivy League, did a tour or two at Salon or some lefty blog, then got in on the ground floor at a national media outlet covering politics. They can afford to split rent with five other bros or gals, buy a couple pairs of skinny jeans that they’ll refer to in the singular as a pant or a jean, and silently mock all the people they encounter on the campaign trail who are not cool or sophisticated or dressed like they robbed a Goodwill store in Bangkok. These political reporters have decided that Marco Rubio is a robot because they hear him repeat his lines all the time. They are idiots and Marco knows what he is doing.

The truth of the matter is that while the candidates on the debate stage with Marco and the reporters who resentfully follow him around all the time have heard the same lines over and over and over, most of the American public has not. And when the people in Nashua, NH hear it for the first time, it may be new to the press, but in Manchester it is new to the crowd and old to the press. By the time Rubio gets to Lebanon, NH, the crowd again hears it for the first time, but the press has heard it incessantly.

Therefore Rubio is a robot to the press and his debate stage opponents.

To the public, though, he is on message. For eight years the GOP elite and pundit class have bitched and moaned that the GOP needed to stay focused and on message. Along come Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio who both relentlessly stay on message and the GOP have decided one is unlikable and the other is a robot. It is all nonsense. It is a mutually sympathetic circle jerk of pundits and press racing each other to come up with the wittiest stereotype to capture the imagination of bored politicos tired of the cold in Iowa and New Hampshire. It is a game to the press, but is a life and death, daily struggle to the voters who yearn for something more and something else. Just as the “Cruz is not likable” line is unfair to Cruz, the “Rubio is a robot” line is unfair to Rubio. Cruz may be unlikable to Washington politicos and Rubio a repetitive robot to the same group, but the American public have not seemed to notice.

Just read this from Chris Cillizza.

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The first time you watch Marco Rubio debate, you will almost certainly be wowed. He speaks not in sentences but in paragraphs. He has an answer, fully formed, for every question. He comes across as deeply well-versed and well-spoken on, well, everything.

The second time you watch Rubio debate, you’ll probably feel the same. Maybe even the third time.

But, over time, you’ll start to notice that the paragraphs that Rubio speaks in start to sound a lot alike. That’s because they are. And, you’ll start to see Rubio as less the smartest kid in the class and more as the kid who memorized every answer in the book but doesn’t have much of a clue about what it all really means.

Who the hell watches debates that much besides the political junkies and the press? I eat, breathe, and sleep this business, have flown to several debates, and been to my fair share of Iowa diners. Even I have not watched all the debates. The American people surely have not.

...

The Circle of Jerks may be tired of it, but the American people are only just tuning in. That the media and Rubio’s political opponents have generated an entire caricature of Rubio over his ability to stay on message says more about Rubio’s critics than it does Rubio. In a season when nobody knows what anybody stands for, Rubio’s repetition paints his positions in bold colors. Everyone knows where he stands — he thinks Barack Obama has committed malfeasance in office while Chris Christie, who attacked Rubio for repetition, cannot stay on message on guns, abortion, or even whether what he thinks of Barack Obama.

 :drudge DAVID BROOKS ALERT :drudge

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http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/opinion/i-miss-barack-obama.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/09/opinion/i-miss-barack-obama.html?_r=0)

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As this primary season has gone along, a strange sensation has come over me: I miss Barack Obama. Now, obviously I disagree with a lot of Obama’s policy decisions. I’ve been disappointed by aspects of his presidency. I hope the next presidency is a philosophic departure.

But over the course of this campaign it feels as if there’s been a decline in behavioral standards across the board. Many of the traits of character and leadership that Obama possesses, and that maybe we have taken too much for granted, have suddenly gone missing or are in short supply.

The first and most important of these is basic integrity. The Obama administration has been remarkably scandal-free.

...

Hillary Clinton is constantly having to hold these defensive press conferences when she’s trying to explain away some vaguely shady shortcut she’s taken, or decision she has made, but Obama has not had to do that.

He and his wife have not only displayed superior integrity themselves, they have mostly attracted and hired people with high personal standards. There are all sorts of unsightly characters floating around politics, including in the Clinton camp and in Gov. Chris Christie’s administration. This sort has been blocked from team Obama.

Second, a sense of basic humanity. ...

He’s exuded this basic care and respect for the dignity of others time and time again. Let’s put it this way: Imagine if Barack and Michelle Obama joined the board of a charity you’re involved in. You’d be happy to have such people in your community. Could you say that comfortably about Ted Cruz? The quality of a president’s humanity flows out in the unexpected but important moments.

Third, a soundness in his decision-making process. ...

Obama’s basic approach is to promote his values as much as he can within the limits of the situation. Bernie Sanders, by contrast, has been so blinded by his values that the reality of the situation does not seem to penetrate his mind.

Take health care. Passing Obamacare was a mighty lift that led to two gigantic midterm election defeats. As Megan McArdle pointed out in her Bloomberg View column, Obamacare took coverage away from only a small minority of Americans. Sanderscare would take employer coverage away from tens of millions of satisfied customers, destroy the health insurance business and levy massive new tax hikes. This is epic social disruption.

To think you could pass Sanderscare through a polarized Washington and in a country deeply suspicious of government is to live in intellectual fairyland. President Obama may have been too cautious, especially in the Middle East, but at least he’s able to grasp the reality of the situation.

Fourth, grace under pressure. I happen to find it charming that Marco Rubio gets nervous on the big occasions — that he grabs for the bottle of water, breaks out in a sweat and went robotic in the last debate. It shows Rubio is a normal person. And I happen to think overconfidence is one of Obama’s great flaws. But a president has to maintain equipoise under enormous pressure. Obama has done that, especially amid the financial crisis. After Saturday night, this is now an open question about Rubio.

Fifth, a resilient sense of optimism. ...

People are motivated to make wise choices more by hope and opportunity than by fear, cynicism, hatred and despair. Unlike many current candidates, Obama has not appealed to those passions.

No, Obama has not been temperamentally perfect. Too often he’s been disdainful, aloof, resentful and insular. But there is a tone of ugliness creeping across the world, as democracies retreat, as tribalism mounts, as suspiciousness and authoritarianism take center stage.

Obama radiates an ethos of integrity, humanity, good manners and elegance that I’m beginning to miss, and that I suspect we will all miss a bit, regardless of who replaces him.

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 11:57:46 AM

 :lol

But Brooks...is right. We're gonna miss Barry brehs.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 11:59:28 AM

Jeb!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CayaEz4WwAAIdts.png:large)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 12:03:09 PM

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/flint-water-crisis/michigan-board-approves-petition-recall-gov-rick-snyder-n514316

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   A Michigan state board has approved circulation of a petition to recall Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder — but not over the water crisis in Flint.

The Board of State Canvassers, part of the secretary of state's office, rejected nine other recall petitions, six of them based on Snyder's widely criticized handling of lead from corroded pipes that began leaching into Flint homes following a cost-saving move to pump water from the Flint River.

But the petition approved Monday seeks to remove Snyder, a Republican, from office over his decision last year to take control of the state office to reform schools, which organizers say disregards local prerogatives, according to The Detroit News and The Associated Press.

It takes three members of the four-person member board, which is split between Republicans and Democrats, to approve a recall petition.

The vote gives organizers 180 days to gather enough signatures to add a ballot measure later this year asking voters to oust Snyder, who told NBC station WEYI of Flint on Monday that he had no intention of resigning.

"I want to solve this problem," Snyder said, contending that things "are clearly going in the right direction" in Flint.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2016, 12:06:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 11:57:46 AM

:lol

But Brooks...is right. We're gonna miss Barry brehs.

I can't wait for Republicans to wistfully remember Obama as someone they could at least work with, not like that hysterical bitch Hillary.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 09, 2016, 01:15:52 PM

So for New Hampshire is it like each county votes and that's a delegate assigned per county or district or whateve?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 02:38:12 PM

I think it's just proportional based on share of the vote, though on the GOP side you need at least 10 percent, and any unassigned delegates go to the first place finisher.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2016, 02:39:37 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 02:38:12 PM

I think it's just proportional based on share of the vote, though on the GOP side you need at least 10 percent, and any unassigned delegates go to the first place finisher.

If that's the case, Trump is gonna clean up

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 09, 2016, 02:46:14 PM

Oh yeah, with the field spread so much top GOP cleanin up

Re: Hill/Bern + Feminism, our own Drinky crow shared this in the facebot and I found it pretty interesting perspective https://m.facebook.com/notes/shasta-willson/feminists-of-a-certain-age/10153906138332486/

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 03:07:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oJr9ZmUEtU
#AllRobotsMatter

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Steve Contra on February 09, 2016, 03:08:50 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on February 09, 2016, 02:46:14 PM

Oh yeah, with the field spread so much top GOP cleanin up

Re: Hill/Bern + Feminism, our own Drinky crow shared this in the facebot and I found it pretty interesting perspective https://m.facebook.com/notes/shasta-willson/feminists-of-a-certain-age/10153906138332486/

All I'm getting out of this is it's really fucking hard to be a woman in politics.  iI, like so many young woman say, it doesn't matter anymore why the fuck is it still a deafening roar.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Brehvolution on February 09, 2016, 03:15:28 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/alex-jones-the-pathetic-scum-supporting-bernie-sanders-need-their-jaws-broken/

 :cac :dislike

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2016, 03:43:42 PM

Santorum is dropping out of the race, which comes as a huge shock to everyone to find that Santorum was still in the race.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: brawndolicious on February 09, 2016, 04:05:14 PM

New Hampshire is his unicorn.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Steve Contra on February 09, 2016, 04:16:33 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2016, 03:43:42 PM

Santorum is dropping out of the race, which comes as a huge shock to everyone to find that Santorum was still in the race.

I thought he dropped out last tuesday? 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 04:30:41 PM

Yeah, dropped out and endorsed Rubio last week.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 04:33:56 PM

I guess he dropped out and the spread is still landing in different places huh  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 09, 2016, 04:41:56 PM

I hope some more drop out this week because I was planning on writing about the remaining candidates and it would be tough to keep it under 800 words with nine of them still running. Please go, Carson, Fiorina, Gilmore, and Kacich.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Steve Contra on February 09, 2016, 05:00:05 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 09, 2016, 04:41:56 PM

Gilmore

(http://popcrush.com/files/2015/05/mariah-carey-i-dont-know-her.gif)

There, saved you some words

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 09, 2016, 05:02:11 PM

I almost wrote (?) after his name

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Steve Contra on February 09, 2016, 05:03:42 PM

The only thing I know about him (I guess it's a him because they'd have mentioned another woman) is the name Gilmore keeps coming up in lists of people running for president.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 05:06:14 PM

A fierce Obama hater at work is talking about the Brooks piece and using it to shit on how "divisive" Hillary and Bernie are  :lol

it begins
:lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 05:07:23 PM

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In another wide-ranging interview with talk-radio host Michael Savage, Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump suggested President Obama might not have a desire to defeat the Islamic jihadist group ISIS, and the real-estate billionaire shied away from declaring he would win the New Hampshire primary Tuesday.

Trump repeated his observation that President Obama refuses to identify the enemy as “radical Islamic terrorism,” insisting ISIS and other groups have nothing to do with Islam.

“It’s radical Islamic terrorism, and we have a president who won’t even use the words,” he said. “If you don’t use the words, you’re never going to get rid of the problem.

“Maybe he doesn’t want to get rid of the problem,” Trump said. “I don’t know exactly what’s going on.”

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Savage asked Trump about the mix-up during the introductions for the ABC News Republican debate Saturday night in which Ben Carson missed his call and stood at the stage entrance while other candidates passed him.

Savage noted Trump was the only one who didn’t “step over him.”

“All the others walked by him, like he wasn’t there,” Savage said. “He didn’t hear it, or something. You actually stood there and you told him his name was called. And you said, ‘Ben, go ahead, you were called first.'”

Trump said it wasn’t Carson’s fault.

“You couldn’t hear a thing back there. It was really the fault of the network,” Trump said.

So, I walked out and I saw Ben standing, and I said, ‘What are you doing here? You’re supposed to be out there.’

“I stood with him until they got it straight,” he said.

Savage commented that the other candidates “stepped over, basically, a person who had fallen in the street.”

“And that tells you an awful lot about people,” the talk host said.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 09, 2016, 05:09:05 PM

I thought Gilmore was the old, white, conservative, military veteran, politician from Virginia but that's impossible because then who is Jim Webb?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 05:09:20 PM

Gilmore's the former one-term Republican governor of Virginia.

No, not that one.  Gilmore's the one who's not going to jail.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 05:16:45 PM

Well now you've made me think of George Allen for the first time in years. I've lost the Bush Aughts version of The Game
 :(

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 05:18:44 PM

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Jim GilmoreVerified account
‏@gov_gilmore
Started out as 1 of 17 GOP Candidates, now with Rand Paul & Rick Santorum out, 1 or 9. #StillStanding

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 09, 2016, 05:29:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBX0Z1MkDyQ

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 09, 2016, 05:33:35 PM

I don't see how this is getting so much attention, honestly. Candidates give the same speeches over and over — this is bound to happen. It's like singing a song and realizing you just restarted the same verse unintentionally.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 05:57:28 PM

Haven't seen the debates, but had heard a lot of people comment on Rubio seeming especially scripted in his responses, and had read similar stuff about him on the campaign trail.  Then he had that moment with Christie, which was terrible (after being called out specifically relying on canned quotes, he pulled out the exact same one he had just said).

That got enough attention that people are now going to be keeping an eagle eye out for similar slip-ups, fair or not.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: brawndolicious on February 09, 2016, 06:00:28 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 09, 2016, 05:33:35 PM

I don't see how this is getting so much attention, honestly. Candidates give the same speeches over and over — this is bound to happen. It's like singing a song and realizing you just restarted the same verse unintentionally.

Yeah at stump speeches in different cities. Doing that in your debate rebuttal though? Really cuts hard when his main criticism is his accomplishments and experience.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2016, 06:02:29 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 09, 2016, 05:18:44 PM

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Jim GilmoreVerified account
‏@gov_gilmore
Started out as 1 of 17 GOP Candidates, now with Rand Paul & Rick Santorum out, 1 or 9. #StillStanding

His odds of getting the nomination have increased from ~6% to 11%.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 09, 2016, 06:08:27 PM

the mystery to me is why would that be your go-to canned zinger?

like
1) it had no obvious relation to the context or question ever
2) the phrasing - "dispel with this notion" etc. - would sound stilted even were it semantically correct
3) on the surface it's "vote Rubio because Obama knows what he's doing", which, ??????
4) even if you parse the actual argument he's making, it's confusing and doesn't exactly smell like red meat - can't he at least throw in some scary example of the iniquity of The Rest of the World?

is there some context I'm missing that would make this resonate with the GOP base?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 06:12:27 PM

The intention is for audiences to hear it as "he's not fucking up by accident, he's destroying this country because he hates it."

It's something that should resonate with the constituency Rubio's pitching himself to, but it's not a good line to repeat like a mantra.  Make America Great Again is really clean and simple, by comparison.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2016, 06:18:59 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 09, 2016, 06:08:27 PM

ok, but why would that be your go-to canned zinger? "vote Rubio because Obama knows what he's doing" ??????

He's trying to combat the other establishment candidates that are like "Obama was a one-term senator that didn't know wtf he's doing, we need someone with experience, not Marco Man-Child Rubio!" and Rubio's like "Nuh uh, Obama totally knew what he was doing, he was just fucking up the country on purpose. I know what I'm doing too and if you vote for me I'll fuck up the country even better than Obama did!"

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 09, 2016, 06:21:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 06:12:27 PM

The intention is for audiences to hear it as "he's not fucking up by accident, he's destroying this country because he hates it."

It's something that should resonate with the constituency Rubio's pitching himself to, but it's not a good line to repeat like a mantra.  Make America Great Again is really clean and simple, by comparison.

Yeah I get that, but it's pretty oblique for a soundbite, and wtf does it have to do with getting someone to vote for Rubio over the other primary candidates even if they agree with the sentiment.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 09, 2016, 06:26:49 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 09, 2016, 06:18:59 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 09, 2016, 06:08:27 PM

ok, but why would that be your go-to canned zinger? "vote Rubio because Obama knows what he's doing" ??????

He's trying to combat the other establishment candidates that are like "Obama was a one-term senator that didn't know wtf he's doing, we need someone with experience, not Marco Man-Child Rubio!" and Rubio's like "Nuh uh, Obama totally knew what he was doing, he was just fucking up the country on purpose. I know what I'm doing too and if you vote for me I'll fuck up the country even better than Obama did!"

yeah that was the only interpretation I could think of, but he didn't do a whole lot to connect those dots.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 06:40:54 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on February 09, 2016, 06:21:11 PM

Yeah I get that, but it's pretty oblique for a soundbite, and wtf does it have to do with getting someone to vote for Rubio over the other primary candidates even if they agree with the sentiment.

As a (comparatively) mainstream, milquetoast candidate, Rubio has to prove his credentials by stressing just how monstrous he feels Obama is.  Romney did basically the same thing, proving his commitment to conservatism not by adopting far-right policy positions but by letting the voters know that he, too, loathed Obama.

I mean, it's not going to make actual sense, but it has a sort of internal logic.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 09, 2016, 08:19:23 PM

Google already saying Sanders won with 13% reporting, must be by district or somethin


Trump too.


Trump v Sanders would be my dream general, just sayin

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 08:55:43 PM

Only 14% reporting, but looks like Rubio's running 5th?  And no clear geographic trend that would make me think the early returns are particularly skewed one way.

Interesting times.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2016, 09:03:44 PM

If Rubio can't get 10% he gets no delegates. He's at like 10.5 now with 25 % reporting. COME ON NEW HAMPSHIRE, LET'S MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2016, 09:30:12 PM

Were Kasich's numbers a surprise or where they were supposed to be?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 09:40:38 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 09, 2016, 09:30:12 PM

Were Kasich's numbers a surprise or where they were supposed to be?

He's been campaigning in the state longer and harder than anyone. Also lots of independents in the state and he appealed to them as well.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 09:42:23 PM

He's a point or two above his RCP average for NH, but it's basically expected.

Basically everyone's finishing where they were meant to, except Rubio.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 09:46:18 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 09:42:23 PM

He's a point or two above his RCP average for NH, but it's basically expected.

Basically everyone's finishing where they were meant to, except Rubio.

Can't find the link now but the exit polls showed that two thirds of GOP voters found the last debate to be very important, and around that same amount said they made up their mind in the last few days. That debate sunk Rubio.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2016, 09:51:21 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/clinton-campaign-memo-new-hampshire

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Moments after the New Hampshire Democratic primary was called for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) by the major networks, Hillary Clinton's campaign blasted out a three-page memo penned by campaign manager Robby Mook stressing the importance of the primaries that come after the first four in February.

:badass

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 09:53:10 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2016, 09:51:21 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/clinton-campaign-memo-new-hampshire

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Moments after the New Hampshire Democratic primary was called for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) by the major networks, Hillary Clinton's campaign blasted out a three-page memo penned by campaign manager Robby Mook stressing the importance of the primaries that come after the first four in February.

:badass

I've seen this movie before, but they recast the lead as a 70yo white guy.

#RemakesSoWhite

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Syph on February 09, 2016, 10:25:57 PM

rubio showing hurting me brehs
#only53percentreporting

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 10:36:40 PM

https://vine.co/v/i1E5LTtKwgP

:dead

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2016, 10:38:18 PM

For the record: I think Hillary is going to end up beating Bernie.

However, his candidacy has underlined a weakness: she really doesn't have a message other than "Vote for me! I can fix it! Or not fuck it up!"

Granted, in the general, she's likely to be running against a lunatic, so that may play well. But, I think she thought that she could run on that in the primary too.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2016, 11:30:57 PM

Why is Trump still winning? I hate America, Benji give me 4 of those dildos and a bag of chips the supporters sent you, it's stand off time :snoop

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2016, 11:38:13 PM

Why don't you want to make America great again, AiA?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 09, 2016, 11:58:48 PM

C'mon AIA, you're basically the Bore's Donald Trump.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2016, 12:00:08 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2016, 11:30:57 PM

Why is Trump still winning?

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NH EXIT POLL: 66% of GOP primary voters support banning Muslims from entering the U.S. 

Because one of major parties in our country has a lot of bigots in it.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2016, 12:24:55 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 09, 2016, 10:38:18 PM

For the record: I think Hillary is going to end up beating Bernie.

However, his candidacy has underlined a weakness: she really doesn't have a message other than "Vote for me! I can fix it! Or not fuck it up!"

Granted, in the general, she's likely to be running against a lunatic, so that may play well. But, I think she thought that she could run on that in the primary too.

Yea she's going to beat him without a major fight IMO as states get more diverse. However I agree her campaign is wack. The sloppy identity politics and general unauthentic Clinton aura aren't good looks, especially in what seems like an anti-establishment year. And young people aren't messing with her at all, not even young women. They simply don't care about her or her last name. Sort of like how GOP voters across all age groups don't care about Jeb.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 12:45:56 AM

Go home, Luca Bratzi. You've done your job.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/christie-break-after-new-hampshire

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 10, 2016, 12:52:54 AM

One thing I always said is that Trump has a strong chance at the nomination, despite what many were saying 6 months ago. And now this is happening. It has to become real for you guys at this point.  But I also thought that once he does get nominated, his supporters would drop him. Since they just want the Republican establishment to know that they're dissatisfied. Which is why I think polls like this make it seem ridiculously close:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

You are not going to have many Republicans showing up in November to vote for Donald Trump. Nor will many independents be interested in Trump's vague plan about making America great. While some say that Sanders is showing that not all women like Hillary, they'll like her a lot more than Trump and once she's nominated you can bet your asses that every single woman from the center to the left is going to get their vote in. They're not going to miss a historical moment. A chance to fuck the patriarchy longer and harder than Trump's bullshit wall.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Rufus on February 10, 2016, 01:03:26 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 10, 2016, 12:00:08 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2016, 11:30:57 PM

Why is Trump still winning?

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NH EXIT POLL: 66% of GOP primary voters support banning Muslims from entering the U.S. 

Because one of major parties in our country has a lot of bigots in it.

Ultimately, because first-past-the-post voting systems are irredeemably bad. People don't want to waste votes on condidates unlikely to gain any influence so they pick the next best thing, which in turn leads to parties wanting to cast the widest possible net.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: curly on February 10, 2016, 03:04:39 AM

Imagine Hillary losing to a geriatric socialist after losing to a black guy named Hussein last time around

It won't happen, but still

Looking forward to the next David Brooks column now that his last vestige of hope has been snatched away. It's gonna be grim.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brob on February 10, 2016, 11:11:17 AM

Michelle Alexander goes hard  (http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)  :whoo

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Take My Breh Away on February 10, 2016, 11:40:04 AM

Funny or Die made a made for TV movie based on Donald Trumps own Autobiography. Staring Johnny Depp as Donald Trump

http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/ad38087bac/donald-trump-art-of-the-deal-movie?_cc=__d___&_ccid=2258abc04b02b4c5

This election cycle has made it to new heights of crazy before the candidates are even selected :lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 10, 2016, 11:52:21 AM

50mins wow

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: thisismyusername on February 10, 2016, 12:00:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 09, 2016, 11:30:57 PM

Why is Trump still winning? I hate America,

Am_I_Anonymous 2016: DOESN'T WANT TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.  :doge

Quote from: curly on February 10, 2016, 03:04:39 AM

Imagine Hillary losing to a geriatric socialist after losing to a black guy named Hussein last time around

God I hope it happens, just for the Hillary stan tears and going "b-b-but misogyny!"

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 12:11:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtIMRjHidO4

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2016, 12:13:41 PM

How many delegates did Gary Johnson get in New Hampshire, benji?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 10, 2016, 12:17:05 PM

Better than the black guy on the basketball court.  The seemed to make the female ancher nervous. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 12:18:23 PM

Ezra Klein: The rise of Donald Trump is a terrifying moment in American politics (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/10/10956978/donald-trump-terrifying)

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On Monday, Donald Trump held a rally in Manchester, New Hampshire, where he merrily repeated a woman in the crowd who called Ted Cruz a pussy. Twenty-four hours later, Donald Trump won the New Hampshire primary in a landslide.

I'm not here to clutch my pearls over Trump's vulgarity; what was telling, rather, was the immaturity of the moment, the glee Trump took in his "she said it, I didn't" game. The media, which has grown used to covering Trump as a sideshow, delighted in the moment along with him — it was funny, and it meant clicks, takes, traffic. But it was more than that. It was the frontrunner for the Republican nomination for president showing off the demagogue's instinct for amplifying the angriest voice in the mob.

It is undeniably enjoyable to watch Trump. He's red-faced, discursive, funny, angry, strange, unpredictable, and real. He speaks without filter and tweets with reckless abandon. The Donald Trump phenomenon is a riotous union of candidate ego and voter id. America's most skilled political entertainer is putting on the greatest show we've ever seen.

It's so fun to watch that it's easy to lose sight of how terrifying it really is.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 12:19:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2016, 12:13:41 PM

How many delegates did Gary Johnson get in New Hampshire, benji?

I would assume he didn't even get a vote, Rand got 1800 though. Nine times as many as Huckabee.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 10, 2016, 12:36:48 PM

Donald Trump is going to be the next President.  There is a huge anti-incumbent sentiment and Hillary is a shit campaigner.  We are also entering into another recession as commodity prices drop and the second tech bubble pops.  Also AIA's track record is as such that his hatred of Trump guarantees his election.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 12:50:05 PM

https://vine.co/v/ibDF2Qhnw1m

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 12:51:49 PM

Rubio :point

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 01:23:29 PM

https://twitter.com/jessicataylor/status/692864501515812864

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 01:30:41 PM

Wait, is that real?  I fully expect Jim Gilmore to be beating someone's ass with that chain next debate

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 10, 2016, 01:40:55 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 10, 2016, 12:36:48 PM

Donald Trump is going to be the next President.  There is a huge anti-incumbent sentiment and Hillary is a shit campaigner.  We are also entering into another recession as commodity prices drop and the second tech bubble pops.  Also AIA's track record is as such that his hatred of Trump guarantees his election.

I don't know about the last one but why would somebody vote for Trump if the economy slows down? At least Clinton can claim she had some sort of credit in bringing the country out of the Great Recession but Trump's only weapon is a wave of repetitive messaging about what America needs/wants, which Christie showed can easily turn into an Achilles heel if someone really wants to take you down.

I just don't see most undecided voters giving him a chance unless Clinton has a really, really huge scandal.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 01:52:38 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 01:30:41 PM

Wait, is that real?  I fully expect Jim Gilmore to be beating someone's ass with that chain next debate

Was for the debate before last, on Jan 28th in Iowa. I doubt Gilmore gets invited to any more debates.

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 10, 2016, 01:40:55 PM

I don't know about the last one but why would somebody vote for Trump if the economy slows down? At least Clinton can claim she had some sort of credit in bringing the country out of the Great Recession

And Trump is a BUSINESSMAN. BILLIONAIRE. LED COMPANIES OUT OF BANKRUPCY. TRUMP! THE APPRENTICE! TRUMP!

Hillary should counter with her cattle futures expertise.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Brehvolution on February 10, 2016, 02:00:16 PM

Trump will need more than insults when it comes to debates with whoever wins the dem nom.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 02:40:17 PM

I can't believe how badly Rubio gor bodied in the last debate.  I guess Rick Perry's "oops" moment was the only thing comparable last primary season.  if Christie didn't have all the baggage (literal and metaphorical :doge) dude would've been a real contender.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2016, 02:50:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 12:19:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2016, 12:13:41 PM

How many delegates did Gary Johnson get in New Hampshire, benji?

I would assume he didn't even get a vote, Rand got 1800 though. Nine times as many as Huckabee.

GJ has climbed Mount Everest more times than Rand and Huck, tho. :lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 02:59:22 PM

Johnson wasn't even bothering with the Republicans this cycle, he will just be waiting until the LP Convention in May. (Not in Vegas though for some reason.)

The Republicans and Democrats are the only parties authorized to have state-funded/ran primaries.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders Beats Hillary 50-50
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2016, 03:06:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 09, 2016, 10:36:40 PM

https://vine.co/v/i1E5LTtKwgP

:dead

Damn Hillary fans.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 03:22:04 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/268974-fiorina-ends-presidential-campaign (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/268974-fiorina-ends-presidential-campaign)

The dream is dead.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2016, 03:23:55 PM

Okay, I didn't actually see the breakdown of the Republican primary results yesterday besides knowing that Trump won. Rubio actually got FIFTH place? And did worse than JEB? :neogaf

So much for the establishment boy wonder. :dead

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 03:25:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 03:22:04 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/268974-fiorina-ends-presidential-campaign (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/268974-fiorina-ends-presidential-campaign)

The dream is dead.

Just like her daughter, from marijuana.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 03:29:14 PM

From one of seventeen to one of seven.

#StillStanding

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2016, 03:30:29 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 03:25:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 03:22:04 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/268974-fiorina-ends-presidential-campaign (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/268974-fiorina-ends-presidential-campaign)

The dream is dead.

Just like her daughter, from marijuana.

And the baby at Planned Parenthood after its organs were harvested.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 03:47:18 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 10, 2016, 02:55:43 PM

Republicans hate Christie for allowing Obama to come in and help New Jersey during Super Storm Sandy. Apparently he was supposed to tell Obama to go fuck himself and ensure a GWB-above-Katrina optic. This is literally what a lot of them think.

Let's not give these people credit for things they don't deserve

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 03:48:13 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 10, 2016, 03:23:55 PM

Okay, I didn't actually see the breakdown of the Republican primary results yesterday besides knowing that Trump won. Rubio actually got FIFTH place? And did worse than JEB? :neogaf

So much for the establishment boy wonder. :dead

If he'd gotten less than 10 percent, he wouldn't have gotten any delegates. So close.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on February 10, 2016, 03:54:06 PM

Looks like Trump was right again. No one wanted to vote for that face. :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 03:59:30 PM

Actually, nevermind- looks like due to the way the vote broke down, Rubio got no delegates anyway :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 04:01:49 PM

 :lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 04:08:28 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 03:59:30 PM

Actually, nevermind- looks like due to the way the vote broke down, Rubio got no delegates anyway :lol :lol :lol

No, he should get more than zero. Some places aren't allocating right.

It is possible that he gets zero though. They do the allocation from the top down IIRC. Kasich and Cruz get rounded up, then allocated delegates.

EDIT: TheGreenPapers has it Trump 11 - Kasich 3 - Cruz 2 - Bush 2 - Rubio 2. Trump's lead is so big and the other four so close that it actually squeezes more delegates to Trump.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2016, 04:30:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 02:59:22 PM

Johnson wasn't even bothering with the Republicans this cycle, he will just be waiting until the LP Convention in May. (Not in Vegas though for some reason.)

The Republicans and Democrats are the only parties authorized to have state-funded/ran primaries.

My original post was supposed to be a joke about people voting in a Libertarian Primary, but now I just feel bad for bringing up the oppression of the two-party system and not even including a trigger warning. :-\

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 10, 2016, 04:31:24 PM

Benji should've stayed in Oregon

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 04:43:41 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 04:08:28 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 03:59:30 PM

Actually, nevermind- looks like due to the way the vote broke down, Rubio got no delegates anyway :lol :lol :lol

No, he should get more than zero. Some places aren't allocating right.

It is possible that he gets zero though. They do the allocation from the top down IIRC. Kasich and Cruz get rounded up, then allocated delegates.

EDIT: TheGreenPapers has it Trump 11 - Kasich 3 - Cruz 2 - Bush 2 - Rubio 2. Trump's lead is so big and the other four so close that it actually squeezes more delegates to Trump.

Well, let's hope he doesn't, it's more funny that way

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 04:58:40 PM

I find Jeb! beating him good enough. I kinda want everything to loop back around to Jeb! holding that 15% of the primary he did pre-Trump.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 05:51:48 PM

It's official- the Outlaw Jersey Whale is out of the race.

Let's see, we're left with:

Trump
Cruz
Jeb!
Kasich
Robotio
Carson
and Gilmore

Am I missing anyone?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 06:16:13 PM

Birther and "vexatious litigant" Andy Martin (http://andymartinforpresident.com/)?

He tried to get Cruz and Sanders kicked off the NH ballot. (For being Canadian and an Independent respectively.)

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CORRUPTION   ONE OF AMERICA'S LEADING CORRUPTION FIGHTERS
            
BARACK OBAMA   ONE OF OBAMA'S MOST RESPECTED CRITICS AND OPPONENTS   

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 06:23:11 PM

Feeling the Bern yet, PD?

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/2/10/ta_nehisi_coates_is_voting_for

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I will be voting for Senator Sanders. I have tried to avoid this question, but, yes, I will be voting for Senator Sanders. I try to avoid that, because I want to write as a journalist—do you know what I mean?—and separate that from my role as, I don’t know, a private citizen. But I don’t think much is accomplished by ducking the question. Yes, I will vote for Senator Sanders. My son influenced me.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 06:32:26 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/an-alternative-black-history-month-1455063609

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Black History Month, which began as Negro History Week some 90 Februarys ago, was meant to be temporary. Its founder, historian Carter G. Woodson, envisioned a time when black history would be incorporated with American history and no longer require separate recognition. Woodson’s optimism was warranted.

Americans today are led by a black president in the fourth year of his second term. Martin Luther King’s birthday is a national holiday. The likeness of Harriet Tubman or Rosa Parks might soon grace U.S. currency, if the majority of people surveyed prevails. And it has been decades since school curricula excluded black perspectives and accomplishments. Black History Month’s sunset might seem long overdue, but the celebration is too useful politically for that to happen anytime soon.

Woodson died in 1950, a few years before the civil-rights movement found its stride. In the post-1960s era, black leaders turned that movement into a lucrative industry, and Black History Month helps keep them relevant. February is not simply about highlighting the achievements of people like voting-rights activist Fannie Lou Hamer or the Buffalo Soldiers who served in the Spanish-American War.

It is also about using racial identity to advance groupthink and to discourage black individuality. It is about presenting the history of blacks as the history of their victimization by whites up to the present day—which explains racial disparities in areas ranging from school achievement and household income to rates of unemployment, incarceration and single-parent homes.

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“There are signs that the Negro has begun to develop a large, strong middle class,” wrote Time magazine in 1953.

You don’t hear much about this black history during Black History Month (or any other month, for that matter) because it undercuts the dominant narrative pushed by the political left and accepted uncritically by the media. The Rev. Al Sharpton and the NAACP have no use for empirical evidence of significant black socioeconomic gains during the Jim Crow era, because they have spent decades insisting that blacks can’t advance until racism has been eliminated. If racism is no longer a significant barrier to black upward mobility and doesn’t explain today’s racial disparities, then blacks may have no use for Mr. Sharpton and the NAACP. The main priority of civil-rights leaders today is self-preservation.

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Black nuclear families used to be the norm. Now they are the exception. Jim Crow did less damage to the black family than well-intentioned Great Society programs that discouraged work and marriage and promised more government checks for having more children. But that black history is also kept largely under wraps by those who have a vested interest in blaming the decimation of the black family on slavery and discrimination.

Much of what ought to be studied, duplicated and celebrated in black history is often played down or willfully ignored. And so long as the media allow civil-rights activists and liberal politicians with their own agendas to speak for all blacks, that won’t change.

Mr. Riley, a Manhattan Institute senior fellow and Journal contributor, is the author of “Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed” (Encounter Books, 2014).

:usacry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2016, 06:41:47 PM

Quote

Jim Crow did less damage to the black family than well-intentioned Great Society programs that discouraged work and marriage and promised more government checks for having more children.

(http://i.imgur.com/HCaH4MG.gif)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Oblivion on February 10, 2016, 06:43:18 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 05:51:48 PM

It's official- the Outlaw Jersey Whale is out of the race.

Let's see, we're left with:

Trump
Cruz
Jeb!
Kasich
Robotio
Carson
and Gilmore

Am I missing anyone?

Wait, Gilmore is still in?  :mindblown

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 10, 2016, 07:22:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2016, 06:41:47 PM

Quote

Jim Crow did less damage to the black family than well-intentioned Great Society programs that discouraged work and marriage and promised more government checks for having more children.

(http://i.imgur.com/HCaH4MG.gif)

#triggered

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 10, 2016, 07:42:26 PM

PD, I saw that quote earlier today and almost posted it as a bat-signal for you.

Kind of interested in that particular type of black conservative (think the bunch of book covers benji posted a while ago), who their audience is, how they characterize the effects of the welfare state on black people (vs. how many conservative voters see it), etc.  Instead of trying to organize my thoughts, though, I'm going to eat some cake and pass out.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2016, 08:30:28 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 10, 2016, 07:42:26 PM

who their audience is

White conservatives.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 10, 2016, 08:32:35 PM

something something Wacquant something something carceral-assistential complex something something symbolic violence

am I helping?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 09:38:22 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ca5aQONWAAEaEfB.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 09:43:21 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-regular-luxurious-dscc-fundraising-retreats?cid=sm_fb_msnbc

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Sanders was relaxed and seemed happy to be at the events, according to the attendees, and mostly made small talk, largely steering clear of policy. None said they heard him chastise Wall Street banks, pharmaceutical companies or petrochemical companies – his frequent targets on the campaign trail – to the faces of the lobbyists representing those interests, though it’s possible it occurred privately.

Some guests said they were surprised to see the populist crusader at these lavish events and suggested he was probably in it for the free vacation.

:jews

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 10, 2016, 10:28:11 PM

There are so many things I want to say but I'm sippin' right now, chilling. Bulleit bourbon is pretty good brehs. BUT

I can humor the argument that Great Society welfare had some negative effects. But I continue to be amazed at the intellectual dishonesty required in order to place all the blame of the black family's destruction on big government. I used to think it could be an issue of obliviousness, ie the uninformed musings of white conservatives who haven't talked to black people. But Thomas Sowell uses the exact same argument all the time.

The reality is that the influx of drugs and the decline of manufacturing jobs devastated inner city black families more than anything else.

ALSO can we ask conservatives why whites, the largest beneficiaries of welfare, have not suffered the same fate? Why is it that welfare destroyed one group while having less of an impact on another group? Pretty sure this is where the pretext ends and the racism begins.  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 10, 2016, 10:48:23 PM

Whites never had the slave mentality beaten into their DNA, so they're immune. :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2016, 04:53:49 AM

As Bernie Sanders Makes History, Jews Wonder What It Means (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/us/politics/bernie-sanders-jewish.html)

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But is it good for the Jews?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: thisismyusername on February 11, 2016, 08:49:14 AM

Take with a grain of salt:

http://gawker.com/this-is-how-hillary-clinton-gets-the-coverage-she-wants-1758019058

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/454aoe/hillary_clinton_has_a_major_honesty_problem_after/czv26fm

 :leon :sabu :ryker

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: tiesto on February 11, 2016, 09:41:51 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 11, 2016, 04:53:49 AM

As Bernie Sanders Makes History, Jews Wonder What It Means (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/11/us/politics/bernie-sanders-jewish.html)

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But is it good for the Jews?

Didn't know he was Polish, that's pretty cool.

:borys :borys :borys

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2016, 12:13:15 PM

You'd think Hillary would realize by now that email isn't her strong suit

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/hillary-clinton/12150600/ImNotKiddingMaddi-trends-after-Hillary-Clinton-sends-email-asking-for-a-dollar-after-New-Hampshire-vote.html

:neogaf

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 11, 2016, 12:31:30 PM

https://twitter.com/hannahmalcrckrs/status/697250799689203712/photo/1

:lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Brehvolution on February 11, 2016, 01:34:17 PM

I'd like to find more info on this:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/shamkhani-republican-prisonor-swap

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"In the course of the talks for exchanging prisoners, the Republican rivals of the current US administration who claim to be humanitarians and advocates of human rights sent a message telling us not to release these people [American prisoners] and continue this process [of talks] until the eve of US presidential elections,” Shamkhani said, according to Tasnim.

"We acted upon our independent resolve and moved the process forward,” Shamkhani said.

The prisoner swap Shamkhani referred to included Washington Post journalist Jason Rezaian and three other U.S. citizens imprisoned in Iran, who were freed in exchange for the release of seven Iranians.

The swap was negotiated alongside the White House's nuclear deal with Iran, and the prisoners were released just before the economic sanctions on Iran were set to lift as part of the nuclear deal.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=213_1455213646

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2016, 01:51:29 PM

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/697852256557928448

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 11, 2016, 01:59:14 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 11, 2016, 01:34:17 PM

I'd like to find more info on this:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/shamkhani-republican-prisonor-swap

Quote

"In the course of the talks for exchanging prisoners, the Republican rivals of the current US administration who claim to be humanitarians and advocates of human rights sent a message telling us not to release these people [American prisoners] and continue this process [of talks] until the eve of US presidential elections,” Shamkhani said, according to Tasnim.

"We acted upon our independent resolve and moved the process forward,” Shamkhani said.

The prisoner swap Shamkhani referred to included Washington Post journalist Jason Rezaian and three other U.S. citizens imprisoned in Iran, who were freed in exchange for the release of seven Iranians.

The swap was negotiated alongside the White House's nuclear deal with Iran, and the prisoners were released just before the economic sanctions on Iran were set to lift as part of the nuclear deal.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=213_1455213646

can anybody explain to me how this isn't treason?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 11, 2016, 02:07:19 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 11, 2016, 01:59:14 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 11, 2016, 01:34:17 PM

I'd like to find more info on this:
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/shamkhani-republican-prisonor-swap

Quote

"In the course of the talks for exchanging prisoners, the Republican rivals of the current US administration who claim to be humanitarians and advocates of human rights sent a message telling us not to release these people [American prisoners] and continue this process [of talks] until the eve of US presidential elections,” Shamkhani said, according to Tasnim.

"We acted upon our independent resolve and moved the process forward,” Shamkhani said.

The prisoner swap Shamkhani referred to included Washington Post journalist Jason Rezaian and three other U.S. citizens imprisoned in Iran, who were freed in exchange for the release of seven Iranians.

The swap was negotiated alongside the White House's nuclear deal with Iran, and the prisoners were released just before the economic sanctions on Iran were set to lift as part of the nuclear deal.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=213_1455213646

can anybody explain to me how this isn't treason?

Because Ronald Reagan.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 11, 2016, 02:12:15 PM

They've always said that if a Republican wins, the Iranian deal is kaput so there's no point negotiating with Obama/Kerry. Kind of makes it hard to trust them when they're constantly criticizing you and doing near-treason against their commander-in-chief.

If there's proof of this, that certainly can be used as ammo in the general election debates but I doubt there's going to be any gavel-banging.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 11, 2016, 04:05:25 PM

C'MON BABY FEEL THE JEB!MENTUM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bush-vows-take-it-trump

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 11, 2016, 04:40:04 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/we-get-it-you-vape-duncan-hunter

smh

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 11, 2016, 10:20:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yHckRTkcZg

:lol that last one, o god ouch

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 11, 2016, 10:30:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP4Xasc1t7Q

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 11, 2016, 11:13:24 PM

Even as a Bernie supporter I have to say Hilary's closing statement in tonight's debate was absolutely wonderful. Sanders you need to include everything in government distrust. This includes Flint. This includes HERO going to  a vote because the government of Texas didn't like an inclusive bill that OUR city passed. There's so much to include in government distrust and the people not being taken care. Hilary got that clarified in a much more powerful way.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 11:24:33 AM

http://nypost.com/2016/02/12/apparently-we-should-get-on-a-boat-on-leave-america-asap/

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The message from Thursday night’s Democratic debate is that everybody in America should get on a leaky rowboat and find somewhere, anywhere, else in the world to live — because life in the United States is a nightmare from which millionaires and billionaires and the Koch brothers and the Republicans will not allow us to awake.

The two candidates for the Democratic nomination spent most of two hours arguing over who was the better diagnostician of the moral diseases, ideological calamities, spiritual infirmities, racial injustices and downright evils that are being visited upon the suffering 320 million who have found themselves through no fault of their own trapped between two oceans in a dystopian oligarchic hell they call America.

Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders were essentially auditioning last night for the role of Snake Plissken. Do you remember Snake Plissken? He was the eyepatch-wearing hero of “Escape from New York,” the 1981 science-fiction picture in which Manhattan has become a prison and Snake Plissken is the only guy who can find the way out.

Only the America from which they want to liberate us is Barack Obama’s America. Oh, they don’t say as much. Hillary blames the Koch brothers. Bernie blames millionaires and billionaires and the campaign finance system. They both blame the Republicans.

But let’s face it: It’s Obama’s world. They and we are all just living in it.

And what a world. “There is,” Sanders said, “massive despair all over this country.” Wages low. Millions in prison.

The highest rate of childhood poverty in the world. The old have inadequate health care, don’t have enough money for food, are chopping up their pills to make them last longer.

Hillary said immigrants are living in fear. There’s systemic racism. Police brutality.

And don’t forget the horrors of being white, with “an increase in alcoholism, addiction, earlier deaths. People with a high school education or less are not even living as long as their parents lived . . . Coal miners and their families who helped turn on the lights and power our factories for generations are now wondering, has our country forgotten us?”

She concluded the debate by saying Sanders’s focus on punishing Wall Street was limited.

That’s because “if we were to stop that tomorrow, we would still have the indifference, the negligence that we saw in Flint. We would still have racism holding people back. We would still have sexism preventing women from getting equal pay. We would still have LGBT people who get married on Saturday and get fired on Monday. And we would still have governors like Scott Walker and others trying to rip out the heart of the middle class by making it impossible to organize and stand up for better wages and working conditions.”

Every now and then, one or the other would grudgingly say America had “potential,” but only to point out that it was potential to which it was not living up. Sanders even went into a long peroration about how horrible it was Hillary once said something nice about Henry Kissinger, who is 92 years old and last served as a US government official 40 years ago.

I thought “The Walking Dead” was a frightening vision of America. That zombie show is a walk in the park compared to Thursday night’s debate.

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In the 1980s, Democrats found themselves forced to battle the impression that they were anti-American. So desperate were they to dispel this idea that at their convention in 1984, Democrats waved a thousand flags and chanted “USA” and sang the national anthem until their voices went hoarse.

And that was after four years of a Republican president.

In 2016, after seven years of a Democratic presidency, look where they are now.

:american

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 11:41:51 AM

(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MO358_botwt0_M_20160211105131.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 11:41:54 AM

Yet that version of America is still better than what the Republicans say we have

:jawalrus

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 11:46:53 AM

That article is frustrating. Yes, Obama's president, but it's American society that lead to this. From voters, non-voters, to politicians. Me, you, everyone. It's American society to blame; not one man.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 12, 2016, 11:52:52 AM

Obama only got two years in which he could pass legislation, and he passed some pretty good stuff during that period. The past 5 years, going on 6 years, have been nothing but Republicans slamming down roadblocks at every opportunity. So, let's not act like Obama got to shape the entire country to his vision, or that the previous efforts of Republican Presidents simply vanished when Obama was elected.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 11:55:15 AM

Quote

still the last great hope of Earth

AHAHAHAHAHAHA

just got to this part while eating breakfast

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 11:57:13 AM

Obama is a pretty good President, but turned out to be a shit politician. Young people and minorities kept staying home during midterms, and crazy old white people freaked out and turned out better, so the country is fucked for a while. Hurry up and die, shitty old white people!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 12, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

Unfotunately, there's still a surprising amount of shitty, young, white people. :fbm

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2016, 12:57:45 PM

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/02/11/bush-criticizes-kaisch-over-medicaid-expansion.html

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“I am for repealing Obama care,” Kasich said. “But expanding Medicaid at this point, bringing our dollars back is working. It’s saving money and it’s saving lives. And that’s what really matters at the end of the day.”

 :what

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:01:30 PM

Let's not attribute weed legalization to Obama. :beli

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: octopushover on February 12, 2016, 01:07:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=FECIYlo3KRY

(http://i.imgur.com/j5b4LRu.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:08:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 11:57:13 AM

Obama is a pretty good President, but turned out to be a shit politician. Young people and minorities kept staying home during midterms, and crazy old white people freaked out and turned out better, so the country is fucked for a while. Hurry up and die, shitty old white people!

I'm not sure you can honestly say Obama was a "pretty good" president unless your standards for a good president are astonishingly low or you're playing pure teams at that point. Which is understandable after Bush. He's average at best. Obama is actually a pretty good politician. His way with words and charisma are endemic to his signature touch that still manages to captivate. We'll probably never have a charismatic President as Obama for a long time. Continuously trying to cajole and appeal to people who who do not and will not allow themselves to accept your position, rather than appeal to your own base, does not a good president make.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2016, 01:21:38 PM

There's a lot of facets to being the president. Diplomat, deal maker, public speaker, party leader, cabinet manager, etc. I think he had strengths and weaknesses in all of those things.

So, it's hard for me to agree in calling him a "bad politician" when he was one of the greatest campaigners of our lifetime. Which is probably the core part of being a politician, actually getting elected.

   

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Brehvolution on February 12, 2016, 01:21:41 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:01:30 PM

Let's not attribute weed legalization to Obama. :beli

Do you think Mcain or Romney would keep the feds at bay like Obama has?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 01:26:32 PM

Quote

But the Nevada Democrat also added – in comments that underscore how some members of the Democratic establishment feel about the Sanders campaign – that Sanders’ huge online fundraising operation will sustain him to go the distance.

“The bigger problem is that Bernie is sitting on too much money to force him to quit,” the Democrat said. “Nor will his staff advise him to drop out if he suffers a string of March losses. His campaign is run by narcissists who are infatuated with their perception of their own genius, and they've got enough cash to hang around for quite a while.”

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: tiesto on February 12, 2016, 01:32:01 PM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on February 12, 2016, 12:59:33 PM

Obama is the first black president and Osama got murked, gay marriage was passed, affordable health care was passed and weed legalization process started while dumb people were trying to stop him at all fronts under his reign.

He'll be the subject of an award winning movie a few decades down the line.

I think history will end up being pretty kind to Obama. Guy was dealt some super shitty hands when he started, and a congress whose primary aim was to block everything he did... not to mention the growth in 'green' tech, gay rights, the fact that he actually managed to pull off Obamacare, a drop in unemployment and the economy slowly getting back on its feet. Shit is certainly better than when Bush was in office.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 12, 2016, 01:39:40 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 12, 2016, 01:21:41 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:01:30 PM

Let's not attribute weed legalization to Obama. :beli

Do you think Mcain or Romney would keep the feds at bay like Obama has?

Yep.  Weed legalization was only on the table because there has been a tacit agreement to not prosecute.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 01:48:16 PM

Somebody should have told DOJ.

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On October 15, 2010, however, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that federal authorities would continue to prosecute individuals for marijuana possession, even in states that have legalized it. That "threw a wet blanket" on enrollment at Oaksterdam, Jones said.

Then, last June, the Justice Department went even further. Deputy Attorney General James Cole argued in a memo that "caregiver" protections applied only to "individuals providing care to individuals with cancer or other serious illnesses, not commercial operations cultivating, selling or distributing marijuana." That meant pot shops, even those operating legally under state law, were vulnerable again.

Since then, the administration has unleashed an interagency cannabis crackdown that goes beyond anything seen under the Bush administration, with more than 100 raids, primarily on California pot dispensaries, many of them operating in full compliance with state laws. Since October 2009, the Justice Department has conducted more than 170 aggressive SWAT-style raids in 9 medical marijuana states, resulting in at least 61 federal indictments, according to data compiled by Americans for Safe Access, an advocacy group. Federal authorities have also seized property from landlords who rent space to growers, threatening them with prosecution, and authorities have even considered taking action against newspapers selling ad space to dispensaries.

"There's no question that Obama is the worst president on medical marijuana," Rob Kampia, executive director of the Marijuana Policy Project, told Rolling Stone in February.

The IRS has joined in the attack, invoking an arcane tax code provision originally intended to stymie druglords. That law, known as IRS Code Section 280E, is an uncontroversial measure aimed at preventing criminals from deducting the costs of their illicit activities from their taxable income. But the IRS has interpreted it to apply to medical marijuana dispensaries in such a way that they can no longer deduct the cost of salaries, rent, inventory and other operating expenses. Few brick-and-mortar businesses are able to survive under those terms, as taxes end up being substantially larger than profits.

And that was in 2012.

Quote

I think history will end up being pretty kind

:-X

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 02:09:44 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:08:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 11:57:13 AM

Obama is a pretty good President, but turned out to be a shit politician. Young people and minorities kept staying home during midterms, and crazy old white people freaked out and turned out better, so the country is fucked for a while. Hurry up and die, shitty old white people!

I'm not sure you can honestly say Obama was a "pretty good" president unless your standards for a good president are astonishingly low or you're playing pure teams at that point. Which is understandable after Bush. He's average at best. Obama is actually a pretty good politician. His way with words and charisma are endemic to his signature touch that still manages to captivate. We'll probably never have a charismatic President as Obama for a long time. Continuously trying to cajole and appeal to people who who do not and will not allow themselves to accept your position, rather than appeal to your own base, does not a good president make.

No. Obama is a pretty good President. All that "appeal to the base" shit like a public option, publicly murdering Wall Street execs (which as we all know I'm way in favor of), etc is all pie in the sky. Obama got as much shit done as he possibly could, and then some considering that for the first two years he had to appease stupid red/purple state dems in the Senate, and then from 2011 on has been saddled with the worst Congress in fucking history. Not seeing that means you're an idealist rather than a pragmatist.

:yeshrug

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 12, 2016, 01:21:38 PM

There's a lot of facets to being the president. Diplomat, deal maker, public speaker, party leader, cabinet manager, etc. I think he had strengths and weaknesses in all of those things.

So, it's hard for me to agree in calling him a "bad politician" when he was one of the greatest campaigners of our lifetime. Which is probably the core part of being a politician, actually getting elected.

Shitty party builder? Field general? Listen, the fact remains that his electoral coalition didn't show up in 2010 and 2014, and that's the reason we have the shittiest, dumbest, most intractable Congress in all of history. These people are so dumb they don't know what the debt limit is. Letting them anywhere near the levers of power in this country is borderline criminal.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 12, 2016, 02:10:27 PM

That actually started because a bunch of dispensaries were operating as non-profits and actually profiting a lot.  So when it says "in full compliance of the law" it actually means "not in compliance at all"

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 02:14:43 PM

If true: game on, bitches

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/sanders-clinton-tied-nevada

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 02:15:53 PM

Plus that whole distribution thing being against federal law.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Steve Contra on February 12, 2016, 02:19:18 PM

Nah, plenty of places that were actually operating above board didn't get touched.  The result of the raids was actually a huge plus for the medical industry because it flushed lots of people dragging it down out of the system.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2016, 02:26:32 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on February 12, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

Unfotunately, there's still a surprising amount of shitty people. :fbm

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 02:32:48 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2016, 02:26:32 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on February 12, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

Unfotunately, there's still a surprising amount of shitty people. :fbm

"surprising"

:heh

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 02:52:56 PM

Quote

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  6m6 minutes ago
If @TedCruz doesn’t clean up his act, stop cheating, & doing negative ads, I have standing to sue him for not being a natural born citizen.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2016, 03:02:20 PM

I guess we know one immigrant that's not getting let back in through the yoooge, classy door in the wall.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 05:01:12 PM

The dream is over

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jim-gilmore-dropping-2016-campaign

Title: Can't anybody play this game?
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 06:27:04 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:08:54 PM

I'm not sure you can honestly say Obama was a "pretty good" president unless your standards for a good president are astonishingly low or you're playing pure teams at that point. Which is understandable after Bush. He's average at best. Obama is actually a pretty good politician. His way with words and charisma are endemic to his signature touch that still manages to captivate. We'll probably never have a charismatic President as Obama for a long time. Continuously trying to cajole and appeal to people who who do not and will not allow themselves to accept your position, rather than appeal to your own base, does not a good president make.

If he's not "pretty good" who is?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on February 12, 2016, 07:56:48 PM

Obama's the best republican president we've had in a while.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Atramental on February 12, 2016, 08:13:06 PM

And Hillary will be an excellent republican president as well.  :success

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totally joking. please don't eviserate me.  :doge

[close]

Title: Re: Can't anybody play this game?
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 08:20:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 06:27:04 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:08:54 PM

I'm not sure you can honestly say Obama was a "pretty good" president unless your standards for a good president are astonishingly low or you're playing pure teams at that point. Which is understandable after Bush. He's average at best. Obama is actually a pretty good politician. His way with words and charisma are endemic to his signature touch that still manages to captivate. We'll probably never have a charismatic President as Obama for a long time. Continuously trying to cajole and appeal to people who who do not and will not allow themselves to accept your position, rather than appeal to your own base, does not a good president make.

If he's not "pretty good" who is?

*awaits Mods naming a problematic president so I can get my troll on*
:lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 12, 2016, 08:25:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 08:20:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 06:27:04 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:08:54 PM

I'm not sure you can honestly say Obama was a "pretty good" president unless your standards for a good president are astonishingly low or you're playing pure teams at that point. Which is understandable after Bush. He's average at best. Obama is actually a pretty good politician. His way with words and charisma are endemic to his signature touch that still manages to captivate. We'll probably never have a charismatic President as Obama for a long time. Continuously trying to cajole and appeal to people who who do not and will not allow themselves to accept your position, rather than appeal to your own base, does not a good president make.

If he's not "pretty good" who is?

*awaits Mods naming a problematic president so I can get my troll on*
:lawd

GWB kept us safe.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mupepe on February 12, 2016, 08:40:10 PM

GWB really tired the country together. Did he not?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 12, 2016, 08:43:21 PM

Whoever's still around here in a few years, it'll be pretty funny looking back at the Obama post-mortem going on now after he's been bookended by GWB and Trump and/or Cruz

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 08:48:39 PM

20-30 years from now, whenever the next Democratic president has Congressional majorities and a shot to get stuff passed, liberals are all going to wring their hands over the compromises being made and say "Roosevelt, Johnson, and Obama wouldn't have settled for this!  Those guys got stuff done!"

I will be the most insufferable old man when that happens.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 08:56:53 PM

In like 30 years when the ACA includes Medicare for all and people give Obama the credit just like FDR gets credit for non-widows having Social Security now
 :point @ Sanders stans forgotten by history

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Atramental on February 12, 2016, 08:59:32 PM

 :tocry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 10:16:30 PM

http://usuncut.com/news/the-dnc-opens-the-gates-to-unlimited-wall-street-funding/

:aah

Bring it.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 10:20:51 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 12, 2016, 01:21:41 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 01:01:30 PM

Let's not attribute weed legalization to Obama. :beli

Do you think Mcain or Romney would keep the feds at bay like Obama has?

it's a maybe. but let's not act like weed legalization as it is, had anything to do with obama. it became a thing because people were sick of it. It was a long time coming. put weed legalization at the feet of obama is also hilarity given he shut down far more medical marijuana places than bush. But democrats gonna democrat, i guess. romney or mccain keeping feds at bay is entirely dependent on whether or not they like the smell of the money coming from Colorado. make no mistake, I'm pretty sure Obama administration like the same aspect of weed legalization, since it also helps boost his "job creation" talking point. Never mind the $$$.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 10:29:58 PM

Can we please, please, please not pretend to believe counterfactual scenarios where a Republican administration does nice things for no reason?

I know you're loathe to give any credit for anything to establishment Dems, but c'mon now.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 10:37:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 08:56:53 PM

In like 30 years when the ACA includes Medicare for all and people give Obama the credit just like FDR gets credit for non-widows having Social Security now
 :point @ Sanders stans forgotten by history

Pretty funny but no cigar. Not sure "Sanders stans" are going to be forgotten in history.

If bernie loses, wins. it's still win-win, either way. on one hand, if bernie wins, we win. If he loses, we still win because there's an unprecedented interest - in decades - in socialism. If he loses, and we organize, expect many of those people to join up. we're organizing right now. Kshama Sawant ran in seattle last election and won. This is her second time winning. Kshama is the socialist figure head in charge of the 15 dollar wage campaign passed in Seattle. Due to Bernie, that ideology is spreading. More and more people are aware of and not afraid of socialism thanks to one man. even if bernie loses, we will still be far more ahead, as a political movement, than 4 years ago. if you think peoples criticism of capitalism and inequality will disappear if bernie loses then i don't know what to say.

this is just the start, and this issue will only get worse.

comparing obama to fdr though, that's the best part tbh, and shows just how insane and delusional the modern democratic party and their supporters are.

i read someone earlier today asking whether or not obama is the democratic party's reagan given clinton not getting off his dick last night. then someone else said obama stopped a second depression (:dead). much like the republican party's reagan idolatry, i wouldn't necessarily label obama's legacy and democrat worship as necessarily a good thing.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 10:44:05 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 10:37:03 PM

comparing obama to fdr though, that's the best part tbh, and shows just how insane and delusional the modern democratic party and their supporters are.

do educate us

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 11:08:23 PM

Obama's legacy could go in many ways.

On one hand, he did propose and create ACA. I credit him that. It's the reason I have and many in my family have healthcare. I love ACA for what it is, though it could be better. I bought medicine the other day. Oh wait, I didn't. I got it for free. I nearly cried in happiness. Thanks Obama.

On the other hand, the man won the Nobel Peace Prize, but still waged terrorist hunts in foreign nations killing innocents. Black sites on American land increased under Obama's presidency. Never mind his influence and future signing of TPP.

That's what I mean by delusional. And that's just on one topic. You think it's guaranteed because of pedantic tribalism despite Obama's extremely mixed record. You have no idea what the politics and issues of tomorrow may be, and you purposely don't consider the missteps that Obama did just as much as his positives. I wouldn't be nearly so :troll if so many people - often Democrats because it comes with the territory - would at least have the self respect to admit that Obama's legacy is mixed. It wasn't a good presidency. It was mired with setbacks and pitfalls even without mentioning congress. I would respect many of you more on this issue if you admitted there are consequences with his presidency that may be long lasting and entirely negative. TPP is one of them. Drones is another.

As for your earlier question, on a pretty good president? I have no idea what a pretty good president even is. I'm out for presidents who represent me, so my view of a pretty good president is going to be really different than others'. I guess the closest I can say is Lincoln and FDR. FDR for his Second Bill of Rights especially. Shame that never came to fruition.

I also find it curious that the same group of people lamenting old white people are perfectly fine with giving the president that has had the wealth of minorities plummet as low as it is now as under Obama the co-sign. Maybe it's because idealistic, but I respect Iceland for putting bankers who caused the economic collapse of 2008 in jail. I don't really see being pro-establishment and throwing your own people under the bus exactly the qualities of a good president. No, I don't. You can laugh and make jokes about that, but nothing will sway me. If deferring to money and power stands as "pretty good" that merely exemplifies our already low standards as it is.

The crux of the matter is that during a time when American people needed someone to fight for them the most, Obama never stepped up. You can argue for ACA, but else can you say? Anything?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 11:17:23 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 11:08:23 PM

I don't really see being pro-establishment and throwing your people under the bus exactly the qualities of a good president. No, I don't.

How familiar are you with FDR's record?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 11:20:00 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 12, 2016, 08:40:10 PM

GWB really tired the country together. Did he not?

A uniter, not a divider.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 11:24:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 11:27:57 PM

FDR's pretty fucked up too. That's why I said I can't think of a single pretty good president, from my POV.

Obama's real legacy will be that of being the first Black president. This will be considered good or bad depending on who you are. Conservatives are right, in a way, when they say that Obama has made race relations worse but for the opposite reason at no fault of his own: cacs gonna cac. Obama's presidency has forced us to wake up and accept the dismal race relations in America and actually confront it. More now than ever, people are willing to talk about it and try to understand. Right now, people are flying their own, real colors. When I was a kid, it was thought things were getting better on the race front. Katrina made things really low - for a time. And then Obama was elected. But ever since then, it has been a daily reminder that this country fears and hates us. Obama's legacy is making Americans come to terms with themselves racially. Lines are being drawn in the sand. This will be especially crucial and important as we reach the 2020's, Latino and Asian American population booms, and global warming decreases resources. This was something we were gonna face anyways. But the mass cac effect came home a lil' early thanks to Obama. People thought it was going to be when Latino's became the largest pop. in America but nah. It's going to get even worse from here.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 11:29:32 PM

Well, if you can't think of a single good president, maybe it's not particularly the president's fault.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 11:33:01 PM

I have definitely talked about the subject of anti-Americanism before, and I have been genuine each and every time.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 11:37:05 PM

Just saying, if Bernie can be praised for hypothetical future accomplishments of other people he inspires, we can at least throw some credit to Obama for real life shit.

At the very least maybe refrain from throwing "hero worship" at other people if you're going to be caping so hard for Sanders.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 11:38:40 PM

So Obama deserves no credit for the feds backing off weed legalization but deserves blame for minority wealth plummeting due to the 2008 economic crash. Ok.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 11:41:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 11:38:40 PM

So Obama deserves no credit for the feds backing off weed legalization but deserves blame for minority wealth plummeting due to the 2008 economic crash. Ok.

If we're giving presidents all the credit and blame for demographic/economic trends, then Clinton's gotta get daps for black income growing like crazy during the 90's.  Which I don't think he's actually personally responsible for, but for consistency's sake...

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 11:48:34 PM

I thought we were talking about Presidents on their political skills, not necessarily their policies  ???

I obviously think FDR is almost complete shit, but from the standpoint of being a politician, manager, dealmaker, etc. like TA said, "pretty good" is underselling him.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 11:50:04 PM

How's it feel to know that you'll never have a Libertarian president to look up to, Benji?

:heh

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 11:53:19 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 11:50:04 PM

How's it feel to know that you'll never have a Libertarian president to look up to, Benji?

:heh

Grover Cleveland, Calvin Coolidge, Warren G. Harding?!?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 12, 2016, 11:55:28 PM

For what's it worth, since you all demand to know my opinion on everything, Lincoln was overrated. 80% of his political opposition left the country! He was a lousy war and cabinet manager! He won a four-way race for Presidency and then one in the middle of the war with all sorts of benefits, just as the tide turned overwhelmingly in the Union's favor, and he still only got 55%!

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He freed the slaves!

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 11:58:43 PM

Even in FDR's case his party had ~50 more seats in Congress, and his successes mostly ground to a halt after his first term, with the court-packing threats and whatnot.

Ditto LBJ having a burst of success with a friendly Congress before it fell apart.  For that matter, Reagan spent later years negotiating with the Soviets and signing tax increases.

Even when you try to separate the normative shit, it's really hard to find a president who was always effective and got his way.  With that in mind, it just feels silly to single out a president for personal "failure" by not meeting that standard, and expecting to get shit done just by finding the unicorn who actually could do it is just gonna be an exercise in frustration.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 12:01:09 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 12, 2016, 11:41:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 11:38:40 PM

So Obama deserves no credit for the feds backing off weed legalization but deserves blame for minority wealth plummeting due to the 2008 economic crash. Ok.

If we're giving presidents all the credit and blame for demographic/economic trends, then Clinton's gotta get daps for black income growing like crazy during the 90's.  Which I don't think he's actually personally responsible for, but for consistency's sake...

But activists told me rising tides don't lift all boats...

There is no such thing as a perfect president or leader, in this country or any country. Every US president has flaws. But when honest people discuss issues like this they tend to look at a variety of issues. Not a couple pet issues which trump everything else, nor do they conveniently ignore things that don't fit the narrative. I am not an Obama fanatic, and I don't think anyone in this thread is. However it's pretty clear that he has been the most consequential US president since LBJ, legislatively and in other ways. And given demographic and ideological trends it seems pretty clear he will be held in high regard by people and historians. No one is saying he is [insert whoever the best US president is to you].

I think this really boils down to comparing pragmatic solutions and/or progress to perfect ideological fantasies. The ACA isn't perfect but it's basically a collection of a lot of the best healthcare ideas of the last 20 years. It has largely been successful despite Supreme Court fuckery (Medicaid expansion). It is virtually a trojan horse for a public option plan. Yet apparently none of that matters because it is not a fantasy program which destroys the private insurance industry, costs trillions of dollars, and  raises taxes on the middle class.

I'd love for someone to name some major programs that were created out of thin air which drastically changed everything and did not require any type of progression of benefits/services. Social security used to only cover widows. Medicare initially did not cover physical therapies that seniors need the most. That's how change happens. Nobody gets unicorns. So shitting on something because it is not a unicorn isn't intellectually honest to me.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mandark on February 13, 2016, 12:04:43 AM

Hey benji, since you're here and you're way better read in libertarian/Austrian circles than I am, has the lack of inflation after all this money-printing caused any kind of consternation?  Like, are there any oblique theories explaining it, or is it mostly still "any day now!"?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 12:05:16 AM

It's rare for Presidents to enter office and "get their way" right away, and they benefit from it. Reagan, Eisenhower, FDR all benefited from entering a favorable political situation that didn't go awry immediately. (Though Reagan's could have with the assassination attempt.)

Obama's campaign as a "wave of change" became defunct from the day of the crash. W. Bush's presidency was derailed with 9/11. Clinton immediately got bogged down into the budget fights. Then Hillarycare and the Republican Revolution sent it reeling. They all still "got stuff done" including on their wish lists.

H.W. Bush went from huge win to raising taxes to the Gulf War and 90% approval to checking his watch in the debates in basically three years.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 12:11:48 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 13, 2016, 12:04:43 AM

Hey benji, since you're here and you're way better read in libertarian/Austrian circles than I am, has the lack of inflation after all this money-printing caused any kind of consternation?  Like, are there any oblique theories explaining it, or is it mostly still "any day now!"?

-CPI sucks
-China, the EU, and oil are fucking everything up both favorably and unfavorably
-A lot of it is just sitting or flipping back and forth across Wall Street to prop up balance sheets and the stock market rather than spilling out into the economy writ large
-Due to the modern Wall Street system, it's been turned into loans that are primarily creating capital misallocation
-It's going to happen in the coming months and really hurt Hillary's campaign
-THERE IS MASSIVE INFLATION, LOOK AT THE MONEY SUPPLY, THAT'S HOW INFLATION IS DEFINED

EDIT: 3rd one is probably most plausible to me as being a realistic answer assuming the premise

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: curly on February 13, 2016, 12:55:25 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 12, 2016, 11:50:04 PM

How's it feel to know that you'll never have a Libertarian president to look up to, Benji?

:heh

Need or desire a president (read: replacement father figure) to look up to :heh

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 01:01:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA95FWfN5_8

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 10:18:37 AM

I need to admit something. I'm actually somewhat rooting for a candidate. I kinda want Bernie to win or get Iowa like finishes in Nevada and South Carolina and double his minority support. He won't survive March, but it's like everywhere I go politics-based is on the edge of peak fuckery. The amount of teeth-gnashing Bernie threads on GAF is par for the course.

I'm on a private forum with some academics of varying levels and there's been like an endless flamewar going this last week. I have no idea why Hillary people are going nuts.

There's a long tenured poli sci professor who opens all his classes by boasting that he's a "proud Marxist" but is otherwise sane and he's gone nuts he's savaging Sanders supporters as betrayers to "the cause" started by FDR and LBJ. Not because of the whole "won't vote for Hillary in general" but that they're going to vote Bernie in the primaries "WHICH IS DIVIDING THE PARTY AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME!"

At least Obama was a serious political force in 2008, Bernie's more like Bill Bradley in 2000.

I was chatting with one of my Marxist friends (an early key question he asked of me that made clear it would become a friendship: "wait...how do you know about Bob Avakian?") from that forum on Steam about how silly it seems like it's getting and I realized that Democrats basically, outside of 2008 haven't had a true "battle" since 1988. 2004 was mostly unified against Bush, 1992 was a shit field overshadowed by Perot, 1996/2000/2012/2016 had incumbents or defacto incumbents.

Then to go back to GAF, like those fellers on there all came of political age during the Obama presidency it seems like, they're used to a GOP war for the nomination every cycle, not a Democratic one.

This is really just musing gibberish.

It did make me go back and dredge up some old 2008 stuff regarding Ron Paul, Bob Barr, Obama, the Libertarian Party, etc. I must have blocked that all out. One of the reason threads I came across was nuts as fuck. Eight years of a Democratic President have made people slightly more favorable to the GOP in general just because they're the opposition, but back then Bush hatred was high, and Obama was saying promising things, McCain was despised, Bob Barr was a phony, Ron Paul was a sellout for running in the GOP primaries, oh, and reason was secretly a left-wing plot for investigating Ron Paul's newsletters dooming his candidacy.

And then...THIS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDND5tcUFoI

Since their archives are so easy to draw from, I'll just drag out the reason posts/comment links:
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/15/the-mayor-in-the-plastic-bubbl
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/16/blowback-from-the-blowback-deb
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/16/blowback-texas-style

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I am this morning, declaring my candidacy for Congress in the GOP primaries against Ron Paul. If he does not resign his seat, and if another Republican candidate does not declare against him, I will run a balls-to-the-wall campaign for Congress in Texas CD 14.

I am the guy that got Ron Paul elected to Congress in 1996. I can and will defeat him in 2008.

Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
1997-2003

http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/16/rudy-on-ron-paul-five-minutes
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/17/gop-to-ron-paul-drop-dead

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Michigan party chairman Saul Anuzis said he will circulate a petition among Republican National Committee members to ban Paul from more debates. At a GOP candidates’ debate Tuesday night, Paul drew attacks from all sides, most forcefully from former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, when he linked the terror attacks to U.S. bombings.

..."I think he would have felt much more comfortable on the stage with the Democrats in what he said last night. And I think that he is a distraction in the Republican primary and he does not represent the base and he does not represent the party,” Anuzis said during an RNC state leadership meeting.

“Given what he said last night it was just so off the wall and out of whack that I think it was more detrimental than helpful.”

Anuzis said his petition would go to debate sponsors and broadcasters to discourage inviting Paul.

Saul Anuzis is one of the biggest fucking dicks ever, and not because of his politics, I speak from personal experience. PD might have even heard about how much he sucks.
http://reason.com/blog/2007/05/18/fox-news-conspiracy-theories

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GIBSON: According to a recent Rasmussen Report poll, 35 percent of Democrats think President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks beforehand. The so-called 9/11 Truth Movement has already infected people like Rosie O'Donnell and one in three Democrats, and many other people, Americans evidently, including Congressman Ron Paul. With me now is FOX News contributor and syndicated columnist Michelle Malkin.

So, Michelle, this stuns me. It wouldn't have stunned me had it come up in the Democratic debate, but it's a jaw-dropper to see it in the Republican debate.

MICHELLE MALKIN: It is and it doesn't belong here. And I'm glad that this moment provided great TV for FOX News — it was a very instructive exchange — but Ron Paul really has no business being on stage as a legitimate representative of Republicans, because the 9/11 truth virus is something that infects only a very small proportion of people that would identify themselves as conservative or Republican. And as you say, John, this is far more prevalent, this strain of 9/11 truth virus, on the left, and in much of the mainstream of the Democratic Party as that Rasmussen poll showed.

You know, I try not to spend too much time in these cesspools, but it is worth taking a visit to places like, you know, these WTC7 sites and Students and Scholars for Truth, and I note that Ron Paul has basically allied himself with these people. He appears with Students for Truth on campus and he's appeared on radio shows like 9/11 conspiracy nut Alex Jones.

Anyway, sorry for the didn't read lol.

EDIT: lol, from these archives, I forgot there was a short lived "Bill Richardson, a market libertarian-leaning Democrat?!?" boomlet.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 10:19:30 AM

hate-fucking yourself with politics  :phil

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mupepe on February 13, 2016, 10:52:46 AM

Goddamn. That Ron Paul video.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mupepe on February 13, 2016, 10:55:19 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 12:11:48 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 13, 2016, 12:04:43 AM

Hey benji, since you're here and you're way better read in libertarian/Austrian circles than I am, has the lack of inflation after all this money-printing caused any kind of consternation?  Like, are there any oblique theories explaining it, or is it mostly still "any day now!"?

-CPI sucks
-China, the EU, and oil are fucking everything up both favorably and unfavorably
-A lot of it is just sitting or flipping back and forth across Wall Street to prop up balance sheets and the stock market rather than spilling out into the economy writ large
-Due to the modern Wall Street system, it's been turned into loans that are primarily creating capital misallocation
-It's going to happen in the coming months and really hurt Hillary's campaign
-THERE IS MASSIVE INFLATION, LOOK AT THE MONEY SUPPLY, THAT'S HOW INFLATION IS DEFINED

EDIT: 3rd one is probably most plausible to me as being a realistic answer assuming the premise

Isn't #3 basically just repackaging and selling debts as assets on a balance sheet? I've read several articles in regards to Chinese companies doing this on an extraordinary level. I assume it's going on in the US for all those emerging markets investments.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 11:29:15 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 13, 2016, 10:55:19 AM

Isn't #3 basically just repackaging and selling debts as assets on a balance sheet? I've read several articles in regards to Chinese companies doing this on an extraordinary level. I assume it's going on in the US for all those emerging markets investments.

I can't imagine any large American corporations doing this, and then using the "assets" for leverage. That seems like it could be dangerous and surely companies are better run than that.

And nobody would be stupid enough to sell insurance on those assets.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 11:42:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQDZKAmiL6A

 :hitler

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 12:01:05 PM

You have reminded me of Paul v Guilliani and Romney
:lawd

Let us not forget the blowback The Bore suffered during that era as well: FlameOfCallinor.
 :usacry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 12:18:52 PM

lol i forgot just how many of these he got into

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3BbIPbLSRw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTR_iq-eBB8

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: octopushover on February 13, 2016, 12:49:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 01:01:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA95FWfN5_8

is that john lewis behind him?! chris rock is a disgrace!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2016, 01:53:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRWIj6os4L4

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/13/actress_from_pulled_ted_cruz_ad_is_a_conservative_christian_republican.html

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Amy Lindsay, the actress who recently co-starred in a Ted Cruz campaign ad, and has also appeared in episodes of Star Trek: Voyager and several adult films. Once Cruz and the media found out about her past, the candidate ordered the ad pulled, but that hasn't diminished her support for conservative Republicans. She discusses the situation, and which candidate she might vote for, with CNN's Jake Tapper.

"It was a gig, but I absoutely -- when I got the copy of what the campaign was going to be about, I knew it was about supporting a Republican candidate" she said. "Which is definitely what I am doing."

"I thought the writing was smart, I thought it was snappy, but I did not know who it was for. I do identify myself as a conservative Republican, so I knew it was something I could get behind and support."

She also leaves the door open to supporting another candidate (on her next TV appearance).

"I haven't come out to endorse anyone just quite yet," she said, though Ted Cruz "absolutely" is still in the running. "When I did the ad, and the words that came out of my mouth, I was a character, my character in the commercial was 'Sam,' I believe, but I was speaking from the heart."

"I have no ill will against Ted Cruz right now."

I hope the real reason they pulled it is because she was on Voyager.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 13, 2016, 02:08:37 PM

As long as we're posting some of our favorite debate moments, here's one of mine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV1VUS3Q2W0

"We have these ships that go underwater"

:dead

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 02:17:43 PM

And they're still beating that drum despite the Pentagon budget being what, 600b+?  :lol

also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89CyIR4Fkdk

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 13, 2016, 02:24:22 PM

Benji I'm glad you mentioned that Hilary supporters are going nuts and that most gaffers aren't used to democrats fighting. If Sanders takes Nevada this is going to get ugly, especially with the DNC blocking Sanders at every turn.

Can you imagine if Bernie gets the popular vote but the DNC still makes Hilary their candidate? Going by recent  behavior from the DNC I half expect it to happen.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 02:37:29 PM

If Sanders wins Nevada I will call you and take the L on the phone. I don't see him winning there given it's a closed caucus (dems only), lots of Hispanics, and the culinary union isn't too happy with him right now.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 13, 2016, 02:41:38 PM

Speaking of phones. I'm phone calling Nevada. There is work to be done.

Bernie did good with Latino's last debate. Great talking point to add to my Nevada phone calls.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 13, 2016, 02:45:15 PM

See what Hilary is doing now by dividing civil rights leaders to get the "black vote"  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 02:46:03 PM

I'll admit that I was :whoo @ Bernie's Kissenger take down, on the eve of a Nevada caucus where presumably many Latin Americans will be voting. I liked that. And Hillary did herself no favors by embracing Kissenger again.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 13, 2016, 02:52:59 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 10:37:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 08:56:53 PM

In like 30 years when the ACA includes Medicare for all and people give Obama the credit just like FDR gets credit for non-widows having Social Security now
 :point @ Sanders stans forgotten by history

Pretty funny but no cigar. Not sure "Sanders stans" are going to be forgotten in history.

If bernie loses, wins. it's still win-win, either way. on one hand, if bernie wins, we win. If he loses, we still win because there's an unprecedented interest - in decades - in socialism. If he loses, and we organize, expect many of those people to join up. we're organizing right now. Kshama Sawant ran in seattle last election and won. This is her second time winning. Kshama is the socialist figure head in charge of the 15 dollar wage campaign passed in Seattle. Due to Bernie, that ideology is spreading. More and more people are aware of and not afraid of socialism thanks to one man. even if bernie loses, we will still be far more ahead, as a political movement, than 4 years ago. if you think peoples criticism of capitalism and inequality will disappear if bernie loses then i don't know what to say.

this is just the start, and this issue will only get worse.

I don't think most liberals disagree with Bernie's socialist policies. But I have never heard an explanation for how those policies could get through Congress. Maybe in a decade? Who knows. One good thing about what you're saying with the organization is if they can show up to midterm elections and push the democratic party to go all the way with socialized healthcare, education, etc similar to the Tea Party (but less extreme). I could see that happening in the upcoming elections.

If a Trump or Cruz wins, people will just want to go back to the status quo before trying anything radical again.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 13, 2016, 02:54:18 PM

PD:

You also forget the part about refugees and immigrants. I find his empathy important. I have brought up in my phone calls that Bernie is the son of a Jewish man who escaped Europe. So when people say that immigrants or refugees shouldn't be in America, Bernie knows more than anyone that's not true. I think you will be surprised by the Nevada results. :)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 13, 2016, 02:58:35 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 13, 2016, 02:52:59 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 12, 2016, 10:37:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 12, 2016, 08:56:53 PM

In like 30 years when the ACA includes Medicare for all and people give Obama the credit just like FDR gets credit for non-widows having Social Security now
 :point @ Sanders stans forgotten by history

Pretty funny but no cigar. Not sure "Sanders stans" are going to be forgotten in history.

If bernie loses, wins. it's still win-win, either way. on one hand, if bernie wins, we win. If he loses, we still win because there's an unprecedented interest - in decades - in socialism. If he loses, and we organize, expect many of those people to join up. we're organizing right now. Kshama Sawant ran in seattle last election and won. This is her second time winning. Kshama is the socialist figure head in charge of the 15 dollar wage campaign passed in Seattle. Due to Bernie, that ideology is spreading. More and more people are aware of and not afraid of socialism thanks to one man. even if bernie loses, we will still be far more ahead, as a political movement, than 4 years ago. if you think peoples criticism of capitalism and inequality will disappear if bernie loses then i don't know what to say.

this is just the start, and this issue will only get worse.

I don't think most liberals disagree with Bernie's socialist policies.

Don't be shocked. Liberals are still liberals. Many of which are capitalists. Liberals are not necessarily an ally to socialism. DNC's behavior should tell you everything you need to know about liberals. Modern conservatives and liberals are still from the branch of neoliberalism and neoclassical economics. Don't conflate America's binary definition of left as being an ally of actual leftist policies. In America a liberal is considered left only because of our ever exceedingly march towards conservative politics in the last 40 years. Being liberal doesn't mean shit when it comes to Sanders' policies.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 03:19:21 PM

http://duelingdata.blogspot.co.nz/2016/01/trump-angry.html

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 13, 2016, 03:29:08 PM

"Many liberals are capitalists"

(https://i.imgur.com/nw9cJh.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 13, 2016, 03:33:30 PM

:lol Wrong wording on my part.  :-*

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 05:02:09 PM

Antonin Scalia was found dead at his Texas ranch. Holy fucking shit.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Rufus on February 13, 2016, 05:04:58 PM

Died in his sleep at 79. Pretty good way to go.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 05:07:17 PM

O fuck, no chance Obama gets to fill this before he leaves right?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: curly on February 13, 2016, 05:21:31 PM

So Walrus finally stopped talking and killed Metaphoreous

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 13, 2016, 05:22:55 PM

Well that's a twist

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 05:42:54 PM

Honestly the election just became an election for SCOTUS as well.  Pretty crazy. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 05:49:18 PM

Wouldn't the house just stall on any nomination unless he chooses a conservative? 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 05:49:51 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 13, 2016, 05:07:17 PM

O fuck, no chance Obama gets to fill this before he leaves right?

He could make a recess appointment if he really has no fucks to give. But it might not come to that. McConnell could play ball and perhaps allow nomination for some type of moderate justice that most of the senate can agree on.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 05:52:08 PM

Doesn't it need house and senate approval? 

edit:  no

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2016, 05:59:29 PM

Yup, just Senate approval, so in theory the "more reasonable" body will do the right thing and allow a vote on a successor.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 06:03:10 PM

well that is (more) hopeful

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 13, 2016, 06:05:38 PM

Senate GOP leadership has to be looking at Trump and Cruz and thinking man, republicans could have an ugly election in November. The senate map favors democrats this year. It seems like it would be easier to confirm a centrist now than deal with President Hillary and perhaps a democrat majority in the senate nominating a liberal.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 06:11:40 PM

And then they get to try being reelected as people who replaced Scalia with an Obama appointment? 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Mods Help on February 13, 2016, 06:27:43 PM

:o Scalia

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 13, 2016, 06:32:44 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 13, 2016, 06:11:40 PM

And then they get to try being reelected as people who replaced Scalia with an Obama appointment?

It's basically like admitting they don't have much faith in the presidential election going their way.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2016, 06:47:07 PM

Cruz and Rubio's statements on Scalia have already said that the next President should appoint a replacement :lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 13, 2016, 06:54:43 PM

Yup, it's on. McConnell is saying the next Pres should appoint the replacement too

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/conservative-senate-block-noms

:neogaf

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 13, 2016, 07:03:37 PM

Well, of course, Republicans are the party of money, money desires inaction

That what gets me about shit with the campaign finance reform, and the claim that certain people make about the money not effecting their vote. They don't want to by your vote they want to buy you not bringing up bills that would affect them, they want to bring attention elsewhere so it's not even voted on

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2016, 07:18:11 PM

so if the court is at 8 members, doesn't that mean they can't get a majority rule on, well, anything?
are they just on an indefinite break until they've got another dude or dudette on the bench? Do they still do stuff but put things on hold when they tie? What in the blue hell is going on here if they can't/wont  get another jurist until 2017?

edit
ps: Isn't it kinda nuts to not use whatever leverage the GOP has now to get a more palatable option in the court then to wait until the election and hope for the best? I mean, the senate is/was highly likely to flip no matter who wins the presidency this year, this seems like a really stupid gamble to make with no real upside (best case scenario, we still block the courts for a year).

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 07:58:53 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/26/could-obama-be-the-next-supreme-court-justice-hillary-clinton-is-intrigued/

from just a few weeks ago.  Maybe she did Scalia in like Vince Foster, and this is her masterplan.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 13, 2016, 08:10:30 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2016, 07:18:11 PM

so if the court is at 8 members, doesn't that mean they can't get a majority rule on, well, anything?
are they just on an indefinite break until they've got another dude or dudette on the bench? Do they still do stuff but put things on hold when they tie? What in the blue hell is going on here if they can't/wont  get another jurist until 2017?

edit
ps: Isn't it kinda nuts to not use whatever leverage the GOP has now to get a more palatable option in the court then to wait until the election and hope for the best? I mean, the senate is/was highly likely to flip no matter who wins the presidency this year, this seems like a really stupid gamble to make with no real upside (best case scenario, we still block the courts for a year).

Apparently, if there's a 4-4 tie then the lower courts decision becomes affirmed but does not become considered a Supreme Court precedent. But it's very unusual for a court to go a year with an even number of justices. That's why it makes sense that Obama will try to pick somebody that the senate will accept.

For the Republican Party, which can't be feeling too popular with conservative voters right now, it might make sense to delay it until the next president in order to give conservative voters the morale boost to turn out and vote in November. This will be a fun year (not really).

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 08:12:10 PM

Not going to lie;  I'm watching 'The Supremes' episode of the westwing right now/

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 13, 2016, 08:13:57 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 13, 2016, 08:10:30 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2016, 07:18:11 PM

so if the court is at 8 members, doesn't that mean they can't get a majority rule on, well, anything?
are they just on an indefinite break until they've got another dude or dudette on the bench? Do they still do stuff but put things on hold when they tie? What in the blue hell is going on here if they can't/wont  get another jurist until 2017?

edit
ps: Isn't it kinda nuts to not use whatever leverage the GOP has now to get a more palatable option in the court then to wait until the election and hope for the best? I mean, the senate is/was highly likely to flip no matter who wins the presidency this year, this seems like a really stupid gamble to make with no real upside (best case scenario, we still block the courts for a year).

Apparently, if there's a 4-4 tie then the lower courts decision becomes affirmed but does not become considered a Supreme Court precedent. But it's very unusual for a court to go a year with an even number of justices. That's why it makes sense that Obama will try to pick somebody that the senate will accept.

For the Republican Party, which can't be feeling too popular with conservative voters right now, it might make sense to delay it until the next president in order to give conservative voters the morale boost to turn out and vote in November. This will be fun

Its also a moral boost for dems and may split moderate Republicans off, especially given how moderate Hilary is. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: brawndolicious on February 13, 2016, 08:21:43 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 13, 2016, 08:13:57 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 13, 2016, 08:10:30 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2016, 07:18:11 PM

so if the court is at 8 members, doesn't that mean they can't get a majority rule on, well, anything?
are they just on an indefinite break until they've got another dude or dudette on the bench? Do they still do stuff but put things on hold when they tie? What in the blue hell is going on here if they can't/wont  get another jurist until 2017?

edit
ps: Isn't it kinda nuts to not use whatever leverage the GOP has now to get a more palatable option in the court then to wait until the election and hope for the best? I mean, the senate is/was highly likely to flip no matter who wins the presidency this year, this seems like a really stupid gamble to make with no real upside (best case scenario, we still block the courts for a year).

Apparently, if there's a 4-4 tie then the lower courts decision becomes affirmed but does not become considered a Supreme Court precedent. But it's very unusual for a court to go a year with an even number of justices. That's why it makes sense that Obama will try to pick somebody that the senate will accept.

For the Republican Party, which can't be feeling too popular with conservative voters right now, it might make sense to delay it until the next president in order to give conservative voters the morale boost to turn out and vote in November. This will be fun

Its also a moral boost for dems and may split moderate Republicans off, especially given how moderate Hilary is.

I think most of them will still vote for a Trump or Cruz candidate but the good reason for Republicans in Congress to delay this is that it makes conservative voters consider the down ticket Senate races important. If the Democrats control the White House and the Senate, then that's the worst possible situation for them.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2016, 02:30:28 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8cxTaaNZrw

:heh

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 14, 2016, 02:36:46 AM

RBG outliving Scalia. :lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 12:32:45 PM

Obama should appoint Hillary, allowing Sanders to become the nominee, for her own good, the good of the country and the good of the Democratic Party.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 14, 2016, 01:20:25 PM

Last night Donald Trump said that Planned Parenthood was good for providing services for women's health, said that the war in Iraq was a disaster, and that Bush ignored the warnings about 9/11.

If there was one event that might stop his momentum, it was last night.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 14, 2016, 01:22:01 PM

The boos on that and the applauds that turned these things on dems was crazy. 

And Jebs comeback from the attack that his brother fucked up the middle east was that he thinks his mom and dad are great :lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2016, 02:57:41 PM

Jeb is the most milquetoast dude ever.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 14, 2016, 04:15:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 12:32:45 PM

Obama should appoint Hillary, allowing Sanders to become the nominee, for her own good, the good of the country and the good of the Democratic Party.

I hope the Republicans obstruct the appointment and it gets pushed to the next president so Hillary can appoint constitutional law professor Barrack Obama.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 04:38:15 PM

Technically, there's nothing stopping Obama from appointing himself that I'm aware of.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 14, 2016, 04:40:24 PM

Really? Oh that would be grand. Though I think I've read him saying he wants out of the political bubble at the end of his term.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Trent Dole on February 14, 2016, 04:45:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 04:38:15 PM

Technically, there's nothing stopping Obama from appointing himself that I'm aware of.

There's not some rule about people occupying spots in two of the three federal branches at once?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 04:49:00 PM

Well, I mean once confirmed, he would resign the Presidency and let Diamond Joe take over for the last however many months. Similar to justices appointed out of the Cabinet/Senate/Governorships/etc.

EDIT: Earl Warren was Governor of California when appointed by Eisenhower as a recess appointment to be Chief Justice, he wasn't confirmed for another six months.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 14, 2016, 04:58:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 04:49:00 PM

Well, I mean once confirmed, he would resign the Presidency and let Diamond Joe take over for the last however many months. Similar to justices appointed out of the Cabinet/Senate/Governorships/etc.

EDIT: Earl Warren was Governor of California when appointed by Eisenhower as a recess appointment to be Chief Justice, he wasn't confirmed for another six months.

Is that the longest confirmation?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sanders v Trump
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 05:22:37 PM

After appointment? Probably? Brandeis took 125 days in Congress. The confirmation process has changed such that I'm reluctant to compare back farther really.

Nixon had a hole on the court for over a year after Abe Fortas resigned. His choices kept getting rejected by the Senate before Harry Blackmun was confirmed.

John Tyler had all his appointments to two seats rejected because he was a man without a party. Polk came into office and only got one of his two original appointees to the seats approved initially.

Bork went 114 days before being rejected, and then Reagan switched to Kennedy who went 65 days before being confirmed. Combined that beats Brandeis.

Random fact: Taft served only one term and appointed six justices. (Including the last justice without a law degree.) Only two of whom he later served with.

FDR served three terms and appointed eight justices. And that was with half the court basically agreeing to retire.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2016, 11:21:07 PM

(http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/YB8qw.WLTVd3FQLONy0orQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9MzAwO2lsPXBsYW5lO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTQ1MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2016-02-09T072947Z_1_LYNXNPEC1809O_RTROPTP_2_USA-ELECTION-BUSH.JPG)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 15, 2016, 01:57:30 AM

http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2016/02/13/donald-trump-continues-to-kill-it-in-the-animenazi-fanboy-demographic/

This is the America we deserve.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 06:37:35 AM

"It's clear monetary police has shot its wad." - Barack Obama's first words to Christina Romer; November 21, 2008.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:whew

[close]

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Brehvolution on February 15, 2016, 10:19:27 AM

Quote

Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), another member of the Judiciary Committee, suggested another candidate: "someone like" Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah). Hatch serves as the president pro tempore of the Senate, and is the most senior senator among the GOP caucus.

(http://i.imgur.com/g1e2zgg.png)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Quote

@realDonaldTrump 2 hours ago

Now that George Bush is campaigning for Jeb(!), is he fair game for questions about World Trade Center, Iraq War and eco collapse? Careful!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2016, 11:37:08 AM

How you feelin' about 2016, AiA?

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42147/republican-debate-recap/

Quote

Well, there it was, on a stage in South Carolina, the prion disease that has been afflicting the Republican party since Ronald Reagan first fed it the monkeybrains almost 40 years ago broke out into the general population. During the ninth debate of the Republican candidates for president, we saw actual facts booed (by my count) three times before the first commercial break. We saw two sons of Cuban emigres duke it out over who can make the lives of Hispanic immigrants more miserable. We saw a vulgar talking yam dare to tell the truth about C-Plus Augustus while standing next to his brother, and we later saw the vulgar talking yam call Ted Cruz the biggest liar he's ever seen. And still, after it was over, serious people got on the electric teevee machine to talk about who had the best night, and who won and who lost, and not one of them mentioned the obvious fact that one of our two major political parties suffered a complete mental meltdown on national television. The big winner was either Bernie Sanders or Hillary Rodham Clinton. The big loser was participatory democracy all the way back through history to Pericles. No wonder Ben Carson kept nodding off into the Western Isles. He was safer there.

:neogaf

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 12:10:10 PM

Donald Trump’s MoveOn.org Moment (http://"http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-moveon-org-moment-1455486000")

Quote

By now it’s a cliché that Donald Trump can say anything he wants, and his supporters don’t care. They love him for his attitude and bluster, which has become a proxy for their rage against the political machine. Maybe that will be true again after Saturday night’s debate in South Carolina, but someone has to point out how the GOP presidential frontrunner has adopted the political left’s worldview on fundamental questions—including blatant distortions of fact.

Take his full-throated endorsement of the conspiracy theory that the George W. Bush Administration deliberately lied to get the U.S. into the Iraq war. “You call it whatever you want. I wanna tell you. They lied,” Mr. Trump replied to a question by CBS moderator John Dickerson. “They said there were weapons of mass destruction. There were none. And they knew there were none. There were no weapons of mass destruction.”

Despite years of investigation and countless memoirs, there is no evidence for this claim. None. The CIA director at the time, George Tenet, famously called evidence of WMD in Iraq a “slam dunk.” Other intelligence services, including the British, also believed Saddam Hussein had such programs. After the first Gulf War in 1991 the CIA had been surprised to learn that Saddam had far more WMD capability than it had thought. So it wasn’t crazy to suspect that Saddam would attempt to rebuild it after he had expelled United Nations arms inspectors in the late 1990s.

...

But peddling false conspiracy theories ought to be disqualifying behavior in a presidential candidate because it corrodes public trust in democracy. Mr. Trump is claiming that government officials lied so they could send Americans to their deaths, and for what? So Mr. Bush could nearly lose an election over the war in 2004, and Republicans could lose Congress and the White House because of it in 2006 and 2008?

MoveOn.org and others on the left have spread these lies for years because they have an unrestrained will to power and they really do believe the United States is the main source of trouble in the world. But this is not a worldview that conservative leaders have adopted, at least until now.

We have enough respect for voters to appreciate that they support Mr. Trump for rational reasons. And we’d like to see him start to act more presidential in case he does become the GOP nominee. But his willingness to indulge the most crackpot left-wing conspiracy theory shows the tremendous risk Republicans would be taking if they make him their standard-bearer.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 12:18:51 PM

You know what still pisses me the fuck off and makes me depressed/sad at the same time? The "Colin Powell, a well respected figure by all, confirmed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction..." defense
:snoop

It's like the ultimate troll trap card. And even though he didn't want to give that testimony...he still did it, and we're all still paying for it. And I don't even feel like defending him or arguing against it.

Someone needs to make a seeded bracket of all the Iraq fuckery, so we can determine what was #1. Is is Powell's testimony, is it Ahmed Chalabi, etc. And we need a play-in round between Cindy Sheehan and [insert some dated fuckery I forgot].

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2016, 12:24:41 PM

Is Fahrenheit 9/11 a #2 seed? #3? Hard to tell. "General governmental incompetence" has to be a #1 seed, but when you're talking about the modern Republican party, that's pretty much a given. Surprise! The party that spends all their time yelling that government is evil and unnecessary turns out to be not so good at, you know, governing. Why anyone votes for these assclowns is beyond me. Why, look at the situation in Michigan...

:jawalrus

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 15, 2016, 12:27:31 PM

Quote

But peddling false conspiracy theories ought to be disqualifying behavior in a presidential candidate because it corrodes public trust in democracy. Mr. Trump is claiming that government officials lied so they could send Americans to their deaths, and for what?

(http://i.imgur.com/CNOEqvc.png)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2016, 12:35:53 PM

Maybe people should just start referring to him as "Colin Powell, a well respected figure by all, until he lied to the U.N. and the world". 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 12:36:49 PM

I know people who still think Powell actually took anthrax or whatever into the U.N., it was part of the Bushpigs threat you see.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 02:09:34 PM

Sanders is having a rally not far from where I live. Drove by during lunch and the line is long as fuck.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 02:50:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 12:18:51 PM

Someone needs to make a seeded bracket of all the Iraq fuckery, so we can determine what was #1. Is is Powell's testimony, is it Ahmed Chalabi, etc. And we need a play-in round between Cindy Sheehan and [insert some dated fuckery I forgot].

I'd nominate:

* The media coverage of Jessica Lynch's capture.

* Iraqis pulling down the Saddam statue, which seemed to be a handful of Chalabi's men aided by US forces.

* Fallujah basically being ceded to Sunni insurgents for a year because retaking it would mean casualties and negative press, and it was an election year.

* The Iraqi army being dissolved with no plan on what to do with tens of thousands of disaffected, unemployed trained soldiers.  A decision that nobody takes responsibility for to this day, I believe.

* The US being blindsided by ethnic/religious divisions.

* The US being blindsided by Moqtada Al-Sadr.

* Iran offering the US a diplomatic opening through a Swiss diplomat, and getting completely shut down.

* That fucking deck of cards with all the high-ranking Iraqi officials on them.

* "Warbloggers"

* Warbloggers promoting Healing Iraq (a blog by an Iraqi) in support of the war, until the blog's author had his cousin killed by soldiers throwing him off a bridge for being out after curfew.

* Curveball

* Toby Keith and jingo-country as a genre

* The US moving all those resources to Iraq cause Afghanistan looks like it will be just fine (though good chance it wouldn't have made a huge difference)

* Mission Accomplished

* "I better call my lawyer."

* When death estimates of the Iraq war are published in the Lancet, hawks spontaneously developing very deeply held beliefs about epidemiology and statistical analysis.

* The US telling Hans Blix to get out, and how quickly that was retconned into "well Saddam kicked out the inspectors, so how could we know?"

* That time everyone was freaking out about the Dixie Chicks

* The change from "Bush won't be held back by the stuffy Arabists at the CIA and State!" to "The CIA duped Bush and forced him into invading!"  See here (http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/001122.html).

* Freedom fries and goofy francophobia in general

* Pre-war predictions from "they'll be building a statue of Bush" to "the oil will pay for the reconstruction."

* Expenses from the war never being included in future budget projections.  The Bush administration taking credit for hypothetically cutting the future deficit, using the assumptions of no Iraq costs and an expiration of their own tax cuts.

* Judith Miller

* Reporters saying stuff like "by late 2003, it was clear there were huge problems with..." but saying it in 2007 and not 2003.

* So many dead Americans.  Dead allies too.

* So, so many dead and displaced Iraqis.

* Bush, that sonofabitch, managing to duck that shoe.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 02:50:42 PM

NOT THAT I'M BITTER ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 15, 2016, 02:53:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 02:50:20 PM

* Bush, that sonofabitch, managing to duck that shoe.

Okay, I was about to say, this list is invalidated if it doesn't have the shoe-throw.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 02:59:51 PM

Favorite part of the shoe toss: western media explaining to viewers that in Arab culture feet are considered dirty, so having someone chuck a boot at your head while you're speaking is actually a sign of disrespect.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2016, 03:03:59 PM

Gosh Mandark, to listen to you one would think that nothing positive came from the war in Iraq!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 03:04:50 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 02:50:42 PM

NOT THAT I'M BITTER ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING.

And no one cares about the battles we survived today
:brazilcry

I made a Jeff Gannon reference a few weeks ago and no one cared
:dufus

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 03:10:44 PM

Kids today don't know how insane it is that the guy from Little Green Footballs is now the "good" Charles Johnson.

 :mindblown

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 15, 2016, 03:23:15 PM

That Lancet study was full of shit though.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 03:24:19 PM

sure it was, sunshine

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: brawndolicious on February 15, 2016, 03:52:10 PM

The worst thing is when people still act surprised that Bush "got away" with starting such an unpopular war.

http://reason.com/poll/2014/10/16/poll-reveals-americans-supported-iraq-wa

It made sense if you lived in the US back in 2003. Most people felt like 9/11 was an insult and the hunt for Osama had stalled. So may as well attack some other terrorist dude whose ass was already kicked once. The lesson is people get really small-minded and irrational when there's a major national security failure.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2016, 03:57:42 PM

Image what the story would be if it had worked.  No weapons of mass destruction?  whatever X 1000

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Brehvolution on February 15, 2016, 04:37:54 PM

I never understood how they got away with keeping the expense of the war out of public view.

No war here folks.....  :money

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2016, 04:45:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 02:50:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 12:18:51 PM

Someone needs to make a seeded bracket of all the Iraq fuckery, so we can determine what was #1. Is is Powell's testimony, is it Ahmed Chalabi, etc. And we need a play-in round between Cindy Sheehan and [insert some dated fuckery I forgot].

I'd nominate:

-Promoting Pat Tillman as a war hero, then being forced to admit that he was killed by friendly fire

-"You don't change horses midstream!"

-"We'll be welcomed as liberators."

-"The war will pay for itself."

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 15, 2016, 04:56:03 PM

-"Unknown unknowns"

-John Ashcroft singing "Let the Eagle Soar"

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Steve Contra on February 15, 2016, 05:26:55 PM

Colin Powell has to be number one like Jordan, what you're arguing about is the rest of the top ten.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 07:15:55 PM

-feeling like Keith Olbermann was a national hero
:tocry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: curly on February 15, 2016, 07:39:51 PM

I remember my English teacher using one of Bush's speeches arguing for invading Iraq as an in-class example of a persuasive essay. And my history teacher telling us our generation would have to fight World War III against the Iranians and the North Koreans. 2003 was a more innocent time.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: thisismyusername on February 15, 2016, 09:33:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2016, 04:45:07 PM

-Promoting Pat Tillman as a war hero, then being forced to admit that he was killed by friendly fire

Might be the biggest one for me besides the whole lies to get into Iraq in the first place (WMD). The revelations of him dying to friendly fire was a bigger WTF when he was telling them who he was while being shot.

Quote from: curly on February 15, 2016, 07:39:51 PM

I remember my English teacher using one of Bush's speeches arguing for invading Iraq as an in-class example of a persuasive essay. And my history teacher telling us our generation would have to fight World War III against the Iranians and the North Koreans. 2003 was a more innocent time.

TFW you write an essay on patriotism telling your History teacher you don't feel very patriotic just because some assholes felt the need to crash planes into towers and cause terrorism and a bullshit war. :lawd Being sent to the dean over that and your parents knowing you don't buy into their conservative "you're with us or against us" bullshit. :lawd :lawd

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 09:53:27 PM

I remember when I almost bought a Dixie Chicks album out of #solidarity

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I think I copped Get Rich Or Die Trying instead
(http://i.imgur.com/nSjp41k.png)

[close]

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 10:11:22 PM

You forgot the whole Valerie Plame affair.

That and Republicans mocking Kerry's war record made it clear to me that there is no group of people Republicans will hesitate to attack that don't tow the Republican line.

edit: shit, Mandark made that post like 20 posts ago.  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 10:19:10 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Quote

@realDonaldTrump 2 hours ago

Now that George Bush is campaigning for Jeb(!), is he fair game for questions about World Trade Center, Iraq War and eco collapse? Careful!

Trump is a goddamned SAINT. :bow

How Republicans have used failing to prevent the worst terrorist attack in the country's history as PROOF as to why they should be in charge of defending us is probably the most bizarre thing I've witnessed in politics.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2016, 10:49:43 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 10:19:10 PM

How Republicans have used failing to prevent the worst terrorist attack in the country's history as PROOF as to why they should be in charge of defending us is probably the most bizarre thing I've witnessed in politics.

I don't get it, I really don't get it. And then they inevitably follow that up by trying to pin the blame for 9/11 on Clinton not taking out OBL when he had the chance.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 11:00:43 PM

Serious question: has the party of personal responsibility (tm) EVER taken responsibility for anything?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 11:08:17 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 11:00:43 PM

Serious question: has the party of personal responsibility (tm) EVER taken responsibility for anything?

The utter defeat of the Soviet Union

Benji  :ussrcry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: brawndolicious on February 15, 2016, 11:34:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 07:15:55 PM

-feeling like Keith Olbermann was a national hero
:tocry

 :lol (not just me)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 15, 2016, 11:36:36 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 11:00:43 PM

Serious question: has the party of personal responsibility (tm) EVER taken responsibility for anything?

How can the party be responsible when responsibility is a personal thing?   :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 16, 2016, 07:58:59 AM

Hillary is now barking during her speeches.

2016 is probably the most interesting election I've followed (I've been paying attention since 2000).

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 08:16:23 AM

Mandark, http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/why-bloomberg-could-run-for-president-and-win.html

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 16, 2016, 09:35:00 AM

I don't buy it, no way the extra large soda lobby lets him in the race

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2016, 10:02:52 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 16, 2016, 07:58:59 AM

2016 is probably the most interesting election I've followed (I've been paying attention since 2000).

Really? I thought 2000 and 2008 were way more interesting and dynamic.

Nothing will top 1992 though. That shit was bananas.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2016, 10:08:56 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 16, 2016, 10:02:52 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 16, 2016, 07:58:59 AM

2016 is probably the most interesting election I've followed (I've been paying attention since 2000).

Really? I thought 2000 and 2008 were way more interesting and dynamic.

Nothing will top 1992 though. That shit was bananas.

I wish I had been old enough to better appreciate the '92 election. I was only 9 at the time, but I still remember those Ross Perot infomercials. What a time to be alive.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: thisismyusername on February 16, 2016, 10:16:01 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 09:53:27 PM

I remember when I almost bought a Dixie Chicks album out of #solidarity

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I think I copped Get Rich Or Die Trying instead
(http://i.imgur.com/nSjp41k.png)

[close]

 :lol But no, seriously around that time I was extremely bitter toward how the Bush cabinet/White House were handling the after-effects of 9/11 and the whole "you're with us or against us" bullshit soured me on America and patriotism in general. Nothing against people wanting to band together to show solidarity against terrorism, but America never did that for most other nations at the time. It seems like post-9/11 though, they started to get that "holy shit this happens daily elsewhere and maybe we should care about those nations."

Quote from: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 11:00:43 PM

Serious question: has the party of personal responsibility (tm) EVER taken responsibility for anything?

Not that I'm aware o--

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2016, 11:08:17 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on February 15, 2016, 11:00:43 PM

Serious question: has the party of personal responsibility (tm) EVER taken responsibility for anything?

The utter defeat of the Soviet Union

Benji  :ussrcry

Oh, right. Reagan. :yuck

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 16, 2016, 10:31:35 AM

https://i.imgur.com/LmWB1AB.png

Trump hitting at the Cruz and the RNC

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 11:34:55 AM

Quote from: Mandark on February 15, 2016, 02:50:42 PM

NOT THAT I'M BITTER ABOUT IT OR ANYTHING.

Seems like someone needs to read some books to dispel their pro-Saddam fantasies:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51V28H242RL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/510KAjqeSPL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wRXxSOsaL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rP0NhPzIL.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 11:35:24 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2016, 10:08:56 AM

I wish I had been old enough to better appreciate the '92 election. I was only 9 at the time, but I still remember those Ross Perot infomercials. What a time to be alive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPIVI0CbCmg

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 16, 2016, 02:47:47 PM

www.jebbush.com (http://www.jebbush.com)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 03:12:40 PM

www.jebbushforpresident.com

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 03:13:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SIldShS0bc

Quote

It's wrong, and he's, I think, deliberately promoting those views in order to advance his political interests.

:usacry

Quote

MARK LEVIN: I watched that debate Saturday night. It was a disgrace. It was a disgrace. First of all, because that bum who is the chairman of the RNC -- I've been calling for his resignation since whenever -- packed that audience with his fat-cat donors and hangers-on and consultants and all the rest. There were times I couldn't even hear Ted Cruz's answer or Donald Trump's answer because they were being booed. Have you ever heard or seen that before? That's your 'Rinse' Priebus. That's your 'Rinse' Priebus...

The debate. Let me tell you something about this debate. The fact that Donald Trump attacked George W. Bush, not because of his liberal domestic policies, not because he expanded Medicare, not because he was weak on the First Amendment. Not because of those things. Expanded Medicare, increased the debt, was for comprehensive immigration reform.

But the fact that he attacked George Bush as a commander-in-chief. Not because he disagreed with him. He attacked him as a liar who knew there were not weapons of mass destruction in Iraq and said he was responsible for 9/11 and he was responsible for those towers coming down. Ladies and gentlemen, that's why I posted on my Facebook this guy sounds like Code Pink...

He sounds like a radical kook. All the rest aside. All of it aside. I know too many Gold Star families who lost sons over there to hear this 9/11 truther crap, which is pretty close to it. Pretty damn close to it. If George Bush went to war in Iraq and was lying about weapons of mass destruction there could not be a worse thing a president of the United States could do, or human being for that matter. And there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And he was not responsible for 9/11...

To have the leading Republican nominee for president of the United States to make these statements, and he's been praised by Code Pink. He should be praised by Code Pink and every kook organization out there and every left-wing kook organization that hates America. To have him praised for what he said? Terrible. Absolutely terrible. You and I've lived through this. You and I have lived through this. This isn't distant history.

For all the talk, 'Well, Ronald Reagan changed his mind.' Ronald Reagan would have never said what Donald Trump said. Never, ever. That's a disgrace. And not only that, Mr. Trump, it's a lie. You like to throw that word around? 'Cruz is a liar, and Carson is...' You're a liar! Bush did not lie about weapons of mass destruction in order to get us into that war. And he is not responsible for 9/11, or those towers coming down. You've crossed the line one too many.

And to those headbangers who want to ignore it, that's up to them. But the rest of heard it. We watched it. My jaw hit the floor. What the hell was this? Am I watching the Democratic debate? It sounds like Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton. It sounds like every kook conspiracy theorist out there and he said it. And doubles down.

:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 03:17:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J265im6Ef8s

~1:05

 :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

omarosa the goat

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 16, 2016, 03:20:51 PM

 :lol

This election is what The Wire S5 should have been.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 16, 2016, 03:28:43 PM

Tamara :drool

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Steve Contra on February 16, 2016, 07:11:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/cKwTAuD.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 16, 2016, 08:34:17 PM

:neogaf

(https://www.balloon-juice.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/image-1.jpeg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 09:09:09 PM

Quote

"If there is a silver lining in the Obama-Clinton foreign policy debacle, it is that now we know what a world without America would start to look like," the Texas senator said. "Far more dangerous and beholden to terrorists and criminal regimes."

"Starting next year our sailors won't be on their knees with their hands on their heads," Cruz said referring to the U.S. sailors who were held in Iranian custody after their ship entered that country's waters. "Our secretary of state will not be apologizing and thanking their Iranian captors. Instead, they will be standing on the decks of the mightiest ships the world has ever known with their heads held high, confident that the great country that they volunteered to serve has their back."

Cruz called for an increase in the active duty military force to 1.4 million in order to be prepared for the "possibility of multiple, near-simultaneous conflicts" on the world stage. He also promised to review the Marine Corps' request "for an exemption from the policy requiring women to serve in combat positions."

He also expressed his belief that women should not be drafted into the combat roles in the military.

"After seven years of neglect," he said, "it is time for America to once again prioritize a strong, advanced and robust military."

Another theme emerged throughout his remarks: An end to "political correctness" in military matters.

"The last thing any commander should need to worry about is the grades he is getting from some plush-bottomed Pentagon bureaucrat for political correctness or social experiments or providing gluten-free MREs," he said of ready-to-eat meals . "If I am elected president, one of my first orders to the secretary of defense will be to restore the U.S. military's combat ethos."

"I am confident that if we put in the hard work we can, as Ronald Reagan did in the 1980s, rebuild our military so it will be so feared by our enemies and trusted by our allies that, God willing, we won't have to use it," Cruz said. "That is the essence of what President Reagan used to call 'peace through strength.'"

:american

Quote

"Senator Cruz is the only candidate in this race who has consistently sided against our military and intelligence professionals and whose foreign policy vision changes with his poll numbers," Rubio spokesman Joe Pounder said in a statement. "When it comes to our national security, Marco Rubio is the only candidate with the actual experience and policies needed to keep America safe."

:ohhh

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Mandark on February 16, 2016, 09:10:24 PM

Imagine being lectured about a crisis of masculinity by a dude with those eyebrows.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2016, 09:13:30 PM

Iran will be looking forward to their next shipment of strong, advanced and robust missiles.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 11:44:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 16, 2016, 07:11:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/cKwTAuD.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/xhxFUXv.gif)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 17, 2016, 03:09:57 AM

why isn't there a Jeb!moticon yet?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2016, 03:49:56 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3drN1NlnAc

~3:50, especially 4:40+

 :badass

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 17, 2016, 09:04:25 AM

Quote

Internet aggregator Matt Drudge sure has become a generous man after 20 years as the left’s whipping boy and the conservative right’s digital voice.

Drudge last week gave away half of his real estate holdings in the far south Miami suburb of Redland.

Miami-Dade County property records show longtime area dweller Drudge, 49, gifted a 4,600-square-foot house on 4.5 acres of shrubs and woods he bought in January 2013 for $700,000 cash.

If you believe the quitclaim deed that appeared in records Jan. 15, the founder of The Drudge Report surrendered the property that’s adjacent to his $1.45 million homestead to a man with whom he shared the same addresses for the past 11 years.

The lucky new homeowner was identified as Juan Carlos Alvarado, 55.

He did have to pay Drudge a grand total of $10, the paperwork shows.

http://www.miamiherald.com/entertainment/ent-columns-blogs/jose-lambiet/article56121200.html#storylink=cpy

 :supergay

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: octopushover on February 17, 2016, 11:16:18 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 16, 2016, 11:44:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on February 16, 2016, 07:11:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/cKwTAuD.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/xhxFUXv.gif)

what a thug

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Brehvolution on February 17, 2016, 11:50:08 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbXh-wMWwAADUFP.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2016, 11:52:52 AM

This shit is so infuriating.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/scalia-s-death-quickly-turned-from-reflections-on-scalia-to-talk-of-replacement

Quote

"It seems to me to be a huge political mistake," said one Democratic aide who spoke to TPM on the condition of anonymity in order to shed light on Democratic strategic thinking in the wake of Scalia's death. "We knew that we were going to have to counter a narrative that this president does not get another justice. ... We were shocked at how quickly we had to start countering that narrative."

YOU ARE AT WAR, YOU FUCKING PUSSIES. YOU HAVE BEEN AT WAR SINCE *BEFORE* OBAMA WAS INAUGURATED AND YOU STILL DON'T HAVE A WARTIME CONSIGLIERE RUNNING SHIT. QUIT SITTING THERE WAITING TO GET PUNCHED AND START THROWING PUNCHES FOR FUCKS SAKES.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2016, 02:08:19 PM

I know it's 2 weeks out and that there are 2 more primaries in between, but it's looking like the Dem race will be effectively over in early March, per expectations

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/clinton-leads-12-states-ppp

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The polls showed Clinton leading in 10 of the 12 states, most of which are in the South, with a double-digit lead in nine of them. She leads by 10 percentage points or more in Alabama (59 percent to 31 percent), Arkansas (57-32), Georgia (60-26), Louisiana (60-29), Michigan (50-40), Mississippi (60-26), Tennessee (58-32), Texas (57-34) and Virginia (56-34), while leading in one closer race in Oklahoma (46-44) and losing in one in Massachusetts (42-49). The only strong lead for Sanders in the states polled was in his home state of Vermont, where he stood at 86 percent to Clinton’s 10 percent.

The PPP poll shows much stronger support for Clinton among black voters than for Sanders, reflecting a potential shift in the political dynamic of their race as it moves into states with more diverse populations than early-voting Iowa and New Hampshire. In states where the black voting population exceeds the national average, the poll shows that Clinton leads among black voters by consistently crushing margins. Sanders strongest showing with this demographic is in Texas, where he trails Clinton by 40 percentage points. His weakest is in Arkansas, where Clinton leads by 62 percentage points.

GOOD JOB, KILLER MIKE

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Steve Contra on February 17, 2016, 02:11:58 PM

But Bernie fans told me the Clintons were the worst thing for black America since slavery :derp

Real talk, why would older black people believe another old white dude who says he has all the answers?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2016, 02:24:44 PM

I honestly don't know. All I can speak to is the disillusioned Gen X cac experience, because that's all I have to draw on. And in my book, despite the fact that I know his numbers don't add up, I can't say that I can support the "establishment" candidate (which Hillary is, despite any claims to the contrary) when the establishment has created this fucking mess. Bernie's issues are the ones that appeal to me: massive campaign finance reform (issue #1 before anything else can be dealt with, IMO) and publicly murdering banksters and CEOs on the steps of the New York Stock Exchange.

I mean, don't get me wrong. In the general when it's a binary choice (and stfu, mods help, with your Jill Stein crap) I will vote for Hillary because the alternative will in all likelihood be the worst Republican presidential nominee in all of recorded history, which is saying something. But in the meantime, I'm going to send Bernie $20 and schlep my ass to the polls to vote for him on March 1st. Everyday he's in the race he makes Hillary a less shitty candidate in the long run.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 17, 2016, 02:52:35 PM

I think it's interesting that Obama, Sanders and Trump all share a similar quality. 20 years ago, people would have said these men have 0% to ever win a party nomination, let alone a presidential election.  Yet, they are all viable today.

I think it just speaks to the complete breakdown in trust of the establishment. 'Conventional wisdom' has been kneecapped and nothing is really out of bounds of happening now. Which can be exciting or scary, depending on who gets enough momentum.
 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: brawndolicious on February 17, 2016, 03:00:53 PM

Well if you made Obama white then a guy with his experience/positions would make sense as a presidential candidate. I wouldn't say he was exactly an anti-establishment candidate so much as he just happened to be born at the right time for a black man to attain that office.

I still don't think someone like Trump will have much momentum past the primaries. Consider how he's screwed either if he changes his positions or sticks by them.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: tiesto on February 17, 2016, 05:34:55 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-a-woman-or-a-man/ (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/are-you-more-likely-to-vote-for-a-woman-or-a-man/)

- another article dispelling the "Bernie bro" myth.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2016, 06:52:29 PM

I can buy the idea that Sanders is different enough from traditional democrat candidates that it's not fair to compare him to Bill Clinton for instance, when it comes to black issues/letting people down. Sanders is proposing a lot of things that haven't been done before and I think some of them would definitely help the black community more than the traditional democrat approach to black people.

All that being said I get why Sanders is failing with black people. His message remains rather one-note. And his fans remain asinine. I had one defend Sanders' one note mentality by basically saying "would you call Gandalf one note for focusing on the One Ring more than any other issue? No because that was the most important issue and all others are impacted by it." Ok.
:snoop

Yea Wall St is a major issue and I want a lot of changes made. Yes income inequality is huge but Sanders' solutions are fairy tales. I'll probably still vote for him in a few weeks during our primary but jeez, I'm getting real tired of him repeating the same thing 5-6 times an hour. And I kind of wish a candidate would just tell people the truth, which is that they're fucked long term because a lot of skilled and unskilled labor are going bye bye in the next 10-20 years. Let's make college affordable or free in the meantime though...I agree with that obviously.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2016, 07:06:24 PM

I don't think Sanders is a single candidate issue. He does beat to death his positions on the 5 or so issues he's staking his candidacy around: income inequality, campaign finance reform, and what amounts to a huge expansion of entitlements (health care/education). Ok, so that's really just 3 things when you boil it down.

Does his laser focus on those things turn off African Americans who are justifiably concerned about a police state gone shitballs insane? (Thanks, black man in the White House. Kidding. Not kidding. Only sort of just barely kidding.) Yeah, probably. My thing, though, is that the people who are saying, "Well, what about Hillary?" have a legit point, at least as far as I'm concerned. If she wants to run in part on Bill's record in the 90's (and let's not pretend she doesn't) then his record on welfare and police expansion should absolutely be up for debate. Maybe shitting out 100k new, poorly trained cops onto the street was a poor fucking idea, it turns out. To say nothing of her taking money from private prison corps (I know, she stopped, but it's still a legit criticism imo)

Basically, my problems with Hillary are that I feel there are a lot of legit gripes to be had with her. The sad thing is that not a lot of people (hello, Killer Mike) seem able to bring those criticisms to bear without falling into the easy and stupid trap of couching them in sexist terms.

Ultimately, though, like I said above: I will gladly vote for Hillary over any lunatic the Republicans nominate. And it will be a lunatic, most likely Trump at this point IMO.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2016, 07:17:58 PM

There is one aspect to this that our standard view of electoral politics doesn't account for. We've internalized (rightly) a cynicism that politicians have any real ideological basis, and we're also loathe to accept it because it's constantly condemned in favor of compromise/bipartisanship/reaching across the aisle/etc. horseshit. So people think Sanders' socialism is a marketing thing, a branding, and to an extent it is. And yes, he's not a "real" socialist. But he was, he came up through the New Left, and he internalized the Marxist argument on relations of production among the social classes being the "one ring." Under standard Marxist theory, you eliminate that main exploitation and all the rest fades away, and that's essentially the Bernie argument.

It's like that guy I quoted in the GAF thread:

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If Democrats really cared about dismantling transphobia and other oppressive systems that come with patriarchy then they would work towards building a society where class and privilege don't exist. They are doing exactly the opposite by serving the interests of the wealthy and strengthening their privilege. The issues of patriarchy and racism and all other social injustices cannot be separated from the economic injustice which allows them to flourish in the first place.

Sanders has been able to avoid, even while being part of it, the bulk of Washingtonian politics by setting himself off as special. So he, like Trump, (and Obama and Cruz) gloss over a lot of the notions of those politics through a singular vision. Hillary hasn't, and now probably can't, which is why they're constantly fretting about her messaging and narrative. When you're trying to create specific policy proposals to satisfy all the interest groups separately, you're never going to build as strong of message as someone who purports to have an answer that settles all or most issues with an overarching principle.

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:paul

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2016, 07:25:15 PM

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An Open Letter from Past CEA Chairs to Senator Sanders and Professor Gerald Friedman
Posted on February 17, 2016 by lettertosanders
Dear Senator Sanders and Professor Gerald Friedman,

We are former Chairs of the Council of Economic Advisers for Presidents Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. For many years, we have worked to make the Democratic Party the party of evidence-based economic policy. When Republicans have proposed large tax cuts for the wealthy and asserted that those tax cuts would pay for themselves, for example, we have shown that the economic facts do not support these fantastical claims. We have applied the same rigor to proposals by Democrats, and worked to ensure that forecasts of the effects of proposed economic policies, from investment in infrastructure, to education and training, to health care reforms, are grounded in economic evidence.  Largely as a result of efforts like these, the Democratic party has rightfully earned a reputation for responsibly estimating the effects of economic policies.

We are concerned to see the Sanders campaign citing extreme claims by Gerald Friedman about the effect of Senator Sanders’s economic plan—claims that cannot be supported by the economic evidence. Friedman asserts that your plan will have huge beneficial impacts on growth rates, income and employment that exceed even the most grandiose predictions by Republicans about the impact of their tax cut proposals.

As much as we wish it were so, no credible economic research supports economic impacts of these magnitudes. Making such promises runs against our party’s best traditions of evidence-based policy making and undermines our reputation as the party of responsible arithmetic. These claims undermine the credibility of the progressive economic agenda and make it that much more difficult to challenge the unrealistic claims made by Republican candidates.

Sincerely,

Alan Krueger, Princeton University

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2011-2013

Austan Goolsbee, University of Chicago Booth School

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2010-2011

Christina Romer, University of California at Berkeley

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 2009-2010

Laura D’Andrea Tyson, University of California at Berkeley Haas School of Business

Chair, Council of Economic Advisers, 1993-1995

KILLJOYS

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2016, 07:31:34 PM

Well, isn't that special. For a rebuttal, we turn to Ogre. Ogre?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZVdR19E5mU

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: brob on February 17, 2016, 07:38:40 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/269702-hillary-trails-trump-head-to-head-poll


 :lucas

Clinton trails Republican primary front-runner Trump by a 45-43 margin head-to-head, according to a USA Today/Suffolk University poll released Wednesday.

Clinton also loses to Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), 45-44, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), 48-42 and Ohio Gov. John Kasich, 49-38.

Her Democratic primary rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), fares slightly better against the GOP competition, besting Cruz by a 44-42 margin.

But Sanders still loses to Trump by 1 point, 44-43, Kasich by 3, 44-41, and Rubio by 4, 46-42, head-to-head.

Many of the results are within the poll’s 3-point margin of error.

 :aweshum

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2016, 08:17:54 PM

remember when obama was losing to hermain cain in 2011/early 2012 polls

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2016, 08:48:12 PM

and then the racist lamestream media took him out to prevent people from seeing a black conservative and realizing there's a path off the plantation

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Atramental on February 17, 2016, 08:54:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-McIdVuY88

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7OBEQSlaPA

 :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 17, 2016, 11:14:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 17, 2016, 08:17:54 PM

remember when obama was losing to hermain cain in 2011/early 2012 polls

Remember when you and Cheebs were convinced into like April/May 2008 that Clinton was gonna beat Obama?

 :aweshum

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: tiesto on February 17, 2016, 11:54:42 PM

Cruz or Trump would turn off a ton of independents and swing voters and Hillary would coast to an easy victory. Only people who'd have a chance at getting swing voters are Rubio and Kasich, and the latter is way too moderate to make it out of the primaries (either him or Carson are next to drop). I've said it before, Rubio is the one I'm mostly scared of since I think he is the only one who has both a chance of winning the nom and getting swing voters. Originally I thought it would be Jeb due to name recognition but he's floundered ever since the first debate.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 18, 2016, 12:14:43 AM

Seriously, tumblr has failed us and we're going back to being full Amurricacs -- get out while you can

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 12:39:07 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/17/opinion/who-are-we.html?_r=0

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Thomas L. Friedman FEB. 17, 2016  798 COMMENTS

I find this election bizarre for many reasons but none more than this: If I were given a blank sheet of paper and told to write down America’s three greatest sources of strength, they would be “a culture of entrepreneurship,” “an ethic of pluralism” and the “quality of our governing institutions.” And yet I look at the campaign so far and I hear leading candidates trashing all of them.

Donald Trump is running against pluralism. Bernie Sanders shows zero interest in entrepreneurship and says the Wall Street banks that provide capital to risk-takers are involved in “fraud,” and Ted Cruz speaks of our government in the same way as the anti-tax zealot Grover Norquist, who says we should shrink government “to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” (Am I a bad person if I hope that when Norquist slips in that bathtub and has to call 911, no one answers?)

:holeup

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Sanders seems to me like someone with a good soul, and he is right that Wall Street excesses helped tank the economy in 2008. But thanks to the Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act, that can’t easily happen again.

I’d take Sanders more seriously if he would stop bleating about breaking up the big banks and instead breathed life into what really matters for jobs: nurturing more entrepreneurs and starter-uppers. I never hear Sanders talk about where employees come from. They come from employers — risk-takers, people ready to take a second mortgage to start a business. If you want more employees, you need more employers, not just government stimulus.

I have just the plan for him: The 2015 “Milstein Commission on Entrepreneurship and Middle-Class Jobs” report produced by the University of Virginia, which notes: “The identity of America is intrinsically entrepreneurial [enshrined] by the founders, popularized by Horatio Alger, embodied by Henry Ford. … With enough hard work anyone can use entrepreneurship to pave their own way to prosperity and strengthen their communities by creating jobs and growing their local economy.”

:doge

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Jeff Kentuckian in Southern Indiana 14 hours ago

If you look at the polls on issue after issue America is still a centrist nation, our politicians are who have become more extreme. I am old enough to remember the 1990s when our society and govt were very functional. We were all brothers and sisters in the days after 9/11. I trace today's torn asunder society to the 2003 Invasion of Iraq, which was hated by 50% of America. That is where we became a nation of red and blue states and counties. As recently as 1996 that concept didn't exist.Obama has strongly pushed America forward towards European style govt and ideals which has produced a pushback. I generally like Obama but I do think his ideologically driven Long View approach tends to alienate older and working class Whites who don't adjust well to change. Thus here we are, a nation held together by duct tape.

lol

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Ray Texas 14 hours ago
In regards to Sander's seeming disconnect with the entrepreneurial spirit of America, I think he'd have a common sense solution: form an agency at the Federal level, to review business ideas and fund them, based on criteria like social benefit, green technology and minority owenership. By relying on a dependable government bureaucracy to vet business growth, we can insure that our economy grows in a direction that benefits the many and not the few.

:-*

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Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 06:09:04 AM

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Donald Trump on Wednesday blasted former presidential candidate Lindsey Graham for criticizing his electability and temperament to be president.

“I think Lindsey Graham is a disgrace, and I think you have one of the worst representatives of any representative in the United States, and I don’t think he should run,” Trump said about the South Carolina senator at a campaign event in front of the lawmaker's home-state crowd. “I don’t think he could run for dog catcher in this state and win again. I really don’t. Other than that, I think he’s wonderful.”

...

“He’s one of the dumbest human beings I’ve ever seen,” Trump said.

Graham suspended his campaign in December but struggled to gain any traction in the crowded GOP field in early-state and national polls.

“He ends up at zero [percent]. Zero,” Trump said. “Here’s a guy running for the presidency — he’s at zero. He leaves in disgrace, in my opinion.”

Trump said he watched Graham speak on “America’s Newsroom” and ridiculed him for going “crazy” when the billionaire’s name was mentioned.

“I saw him on television this morning, and I think he lost it. He said 'Donald Trump, he’s' — he couldn’t even talk,” Trump said. “He was shaking. The hatred. They say, 'What do you think of Donald Trump? Well, waahhh.' He went crazy. The guy is a nut job.”

Graham endorsed former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in January, calling him the best potential commander in chief in the field. Trump, however, maintained that he didn’t want Graham’s endorsement or anything to do with him, for that matter.

“His thinking,” Trump began. “He says, ‘I know so much.’ He knows about the military? I could push him over with a little thimble.”

Trump added that Graham would lead the U.S. into World War III and continued to deride Graham for his struggling campaign. “I think I’d crawl in a corner and I’d hide. I would just sort of put out a release: I’ve left the race,” Trump said, again referring to Graham's low poll numbers. “I wouldn’t even give a news conference. I’d be too embarrassed.”

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 06:50:45 AM

Guy on GAF posted this a few times as some kind of epic Hillary take down:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndPevAo8Yk

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:neogaf

EDIT: I literally did not know that Secular Talk was part of "The Young Turks Network" or in any way involved with them. I apologize.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 12:22:02 PM

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​DONALD J. TRUMP RESPONSE TO THE POPE

If and when the Vatican is attacked by ISIS, which as everyone knows is ISIS’s ultimate trophy, I can promise you that the Pope would have only wished and prayed that Donald Trump would have been President because this would not have happened. ISIS would have been eradicated unlike what is happening now with our all talk, no action politicians.

The Mexican government and its leadership has made many disparaging remarks about me to the Pope, because they want to continue to rip off the United States, both on trade and at the border, and they understand I am totally wise to them. The Pope only heard one side of the story - he didn’t see the crime, the drug trafficking and the negative economic impact the current policies have on the United States. He doesn’t see how Mexican leadership is outsmarting President Obama and our leadership in every aspect of negotiation.

For a religious leader to question a person’s faith is disgraceful. I am proud to be a Christian and as President I will not allow Christianity to be consistently attacked and weakened, unlike what is happening now, with our current President. No leader, especially a religious leader, should have the right to question another man’s religion or faith. They are using the Pope as a pawn and they should be ashamed of themselves for doing so, especially when so many lives are involved and when illegal immigration is so rampant.

THE GOAT

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 12:41:01 PM

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Donald J. Trump  Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
The new Pope is a humble man, very much like me, which probably explains why I like him so much!

(http://i.imgur.com/qdQBro0.png)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 18, 2016, 01:00:25 PM

holy shit that's actually legit, I just tried it  :lol

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 18, 2016, 02:58:25 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/X19P2A4.png)

 :expert

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Atramental on February 18, 2016, 05:37:54 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 12:41:01 PM

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Donald J. Trump  Verified account
‏@realDonaldTrump
The new Pope is a humble man, very much like me, which probably explains why I like him so much!

(http://i.imgur.com/qdQBro0.png)

:lawd

I gotta say, this election cycle has got to be the most entertaining in recent history.  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Steve Contra on February 18, 2016, 05:44:34 PM

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hillarys-top-donor-buys-onion-starts-publishing-propaganda-immediately/ (http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hillarys-top-donor-buys-onion-starts-publishing-propaganda-immediately/)

Bernie fans getting rustled by the Onion.  They really are keeping the spirit of Ron Paul's rEVOLution alive :aweshum

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 18, 2016, 06:55:58 PM

Primary: vote Bernie
General: Vote Clinton

Pretty simple.  I like what Bernie stands for and will stick to him during the primary, but when Hilary inevitably gets the nomination, I will throw my full support towards her.  Anything to get progressive Supreme Court appointments.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2016, 07:03:38 PM

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A new Quinnipiac University poll says if the Governor got the Republican nomination for president he would beat potential democratic nominee, Hillary Clinton, 47 percent to 39 percent.

But in the same poll, Kasich loses to potential democratic nominee, Senator Bernie Sanders. In fact, pollsters say Senator Sanders would beat all the potential G-O-P candidates in a head-to-head match-up.

http://www.13abc.com/home/headlines/Poll-Kasich-beats-Clinton-Sanders-beats-everybody-369258131.html?device=tablet&c=y

 :mynicca

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 18, 2016, 07:08:08 PM

Clinton will beat Trump, Cruz and the other garbage candidates.

She would lose, I think, to Rubio and Kasich.

Sanders would lose to Trump...but I think he'd beat everyone else.

#hottakes

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Steve Contra on February 18, 2016, 07:19:13 PM

Clinton would fucking wreck Rubio in a debate.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2016, 07:40:26 PM

I think he meant in the election.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: brawndolicious on February 18, 2016, 08:23:31 PM

I don't think Clinton or Sanders would lose to any of the remaining GOP candidates. Neither of them actively tried to shit on a subgroup of the population and they both can defend their ideas in a debate without looking stupid. Also they're both as popular in the Democratic Party as Trump is in the Republican Party so that tells you how much broader their appeal is.

Y'all acting like there's going to be a race for the general election. ;) ::)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 18, 2016, 09:29:15 PM

Hillary's seen as untrustworthy, and Sanders is already seen as pretty extreme, and will only get worse once the commercials start running of his $18 trillion plan to have the government take over the health care system.

This is the same country that voted for Dubya twice! Anything can happen. Especially if someone like Rubio is the nominee and the American people find him a satisfactory middle ground between the extremism of Trump and Sanders/Hillary.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: curly on February 18, 2016, 10:38:52 PM

Hillary has 54 percent unfavorable rating, that's only a few points better than Trump. I could definitely see her losing to Rubio.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 18, 2016, 10:47:12 PM

Marco "Rubot" Rubio is only a moderate compared to Cruz and Trump, he's running on a substantially more conservative platform then any prior GOP nominee would. And he clearly doesn't have the percieved substance to back it up. His presentation is ace, but its clear by now that the guy would gin up about as much passion as Mitt Romney did.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 18, 2016, 11:00:05 PM

It doesn't matter, bros. America is feeling the Bern

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/sanders-leading-fox-dem-national-poll

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 19, 2016, 05:06:09 AM

The thing about Bernie is for most progressives he's always been the consolation prize to Elizabeth Warren's absence. I obviously support the guy and prefer him to Hillary, but I fantasize a bit about what kind of progressive could run in 2020 if Trump or Cruz wins.  As the Democratic party moves left this election cycle, maybe Warren finally steps in or Chris Murphy runs as an answer to Trump/Cruz's surely disastrous foreign policy?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: octopushover on February 19, 2016, 10:31:32 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 18, 2016, 06:50:45 AM

Guy on GAF posted this a few times as some kind of epic Hillary take down:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gndPevAo8Yk

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:neogaf

EDIT: I literally did not know that Secular Talk was part of "The Young Turks Network" or in any way involved with them. I apologize.

that commentator is probably the least likeable human on the planet

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 19, 2016, 11:19:39 AM

There won't be an America in 2020 if Trump or Cruz wins.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 19, 2016, 11:35:17 AM

What will there be?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Rufus on February 19, 2016, 11:38:33 AM

Murica

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 19, 2016, 11:41:53 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 19, 2016, 11:35:17 AM

What will there be?

(https://www.frontlinegaming.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/thunderdome.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: ToxicAdam on February 19, 2016, 12:32:53 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 19, 2016, 11:35:17 AM

What will there be?

Elysium.

The wall is the first step. Then the dome. Then the giant rockets under the ground to drift us into the troposphere.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 19, 2016, 01:49:41 PM

I can't wait!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Boogie on February 19, 2016, 05:53:01 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 16, 2016, 04:29:10 AM

Every time I see a clip of Charles Krauthammer speaking, I get a little kick out of knowing that he'll never rise out of his chair by his own power.

Quote from: The Walrus on February 19, 2016, 11:38:47 AM

It's so awesome that Charles Krauthammer is paralyzed. Fuck this guy.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/republicans-win-nino-article-1.2536350 (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/republicans-win-nino-article-1.2536350)

Dear GS,

Please stop.

Thx.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Atramental on February 19, 2016, 07:06:35 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/lEQWi41.jpg)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 19, 2016, 07:48:52 PM

This campaign is the gift that just keeps on giving

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/cruz-carson-closet-meeting-dirty-tricks

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Another unnamed GOP operative said the Cruz campaign apparently wanted to hold the meeting on “neutral ground,” so they selected a convention center storage closet.

Journalists were reportedly calling the Carson campaign even while the meeting was still underway. A member of Carson’s Secret Service detail guarding the door told an operative simply: “Yeah they’re in that closet," according to the report.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Mandark on February 19, 2016, 10:59:51 PM

If y'all want to follow a really awful pro-Hillary twitter account: https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 19, 2016, 11:49:18 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/trump-hails-torture-mass-killings-pigs-blood-ammo-sc

 :donot

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 20, 2016, 12:30:28 AM

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“We need someone who can lead the country because people are scared to death,” she said. “It’s only a matter of time before terrorists come and start chopping Christian heads off in the United States.”

:goty

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 20, 2016, 01:43:03 AM

Jeb's implosion is pretty old news at this point, but holy hell does he look terrible/just like his Dad in this Politico piece.
 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/jeb-bush-running-on-fumes-219474?lo=ap_a2)
(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/f35bea3/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F9c%2F7c%2F265420b2467a904f96768ead0599%2F160218-jeb-bush-4-gty-1160.jpg)

that's a rough looking 63 right there.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2016, 03:00:53 AM

Thousand points of light for the homeless man...

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2016, 03:12:08 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/20/politics/north-carolina-redistricting-supreme-court/index.html

Scalia's death is already paying out dividends, thanks Hillary!

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Sausage on February 20, 2016, 12:07:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/CmcqqJD.png)

http://www.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives/2016/02/16/texas-board-of-education-candidate-president-obama-was-a-prostitute

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Samson Manhug on February 20, 2016, 02:54:40 PM

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-56c7bb9b/turbine/ct-willis-wagons-school-segregation-chicago-1963-photos-20160218/750/750x422)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

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A Chicago Tribune archival photo of a young man being arrested in 1963 at a South Side protest is Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, his campaign has confirmed, bolstering the candidate's narrative about his civil rights activism.

...

At the University of Chicago, he was a leader of the Congress of Racial Equality, a major civil rights group. News accounts from the time had Sanders leading protests over racial inequality.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 02:56:55 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 20, 2016, 02:54:40 PM

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-56c7bb9b/turbine/ct-willis-wagons-school-segregation-chicago-1963-photos-20160218/750/750x422)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

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A Chicago Tribune archival photo of a young man being arrested in 1963 at a South Side protest is Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, his campaign has confirmed, bolstering the candidate's narrative about his civil rights activism.

...

At the University of Chicago, he was a leader of the Congress of Racial Equality, a major civil rights group. News accounts from the time had Sanders leading protests over racial inequality.

I didn't know Sanders was Steve Contra.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 20, 2016, 03:52:55 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 20, 2016, 02:54:40 PM

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-56c7bb9b/turbine/ct-willis-wagons-school-segregation-chicago-1963-photos-20160218/750/750x422)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

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A Chicago Tribune archival photo of a young man being arrested in 1963 at a South Side protest is Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, his campaign has confirmed, bolstering the candidate's narrative about his civil rights activism.

...

At the University of Chicago, he was a leader of the Congress of Racial Equality, a major civil rights group. News accounts from the time had Sanders leading protests over racial inequality.

Stealth style post about the guy on the left.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: octopushover on February 20, 2016, 03:58:16 PM

Quote from: Sausage on February 20, 2016, 12:07:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/CmcqqJD.png)

http://www.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives/2016/02/16/texas-board-of-education-candidate-president-obama-was-a-prostitute

you can only kind of tell, but in her profile picture both she and her husband (presumably) are wearing shirts where one half is a field of blue with white stars and the other half is red and white stripes.

o beautiful for spacious skies o amber waves of grain

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Oblivion on February 20, 2016, 04:09:26 PM

Quote from: Sausage on February 20, 2016, 12:07:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/CmcqqJD.png)

http://www.sacurrent.com/Blogs/archives/2016/02/16/texas-board-of-education-candidate-president-obama-was-a-prostitute

Muslin homosexuals are the worst.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 05:26:32 PM

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@AmericaFerrera 19m19 minutes ago

Harrah's casino site- Bernie supporters chant "English-only" to stop civil rights leader @DoloresHuerta from providing Spanish translation.

https://twitter.com/AmericaFerrera/status/701166307387928577

 :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2016, 06:04:53 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 20, 2016, 02:54:40 PM

(http://www.trbimg.com/img-56c7bb9b/turbine/ct-willis-wagons-school-segregation-chicago-1963-photos-20160218/750/750x422)

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-bernie-sanders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

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A Chicago Tribune archival photo of a young man being arrested in 1963 at a South Side protest is Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders, his campaign has confirmed, bolstering the candidate's narrative about his civil rights activism.

...

At the University of Chicago, he was a leader of the Congress of Racial Equality, a major civil rights group. News accounts from the time had Sanders leading protests over racial inequality.

He's not a civil rights hero. He was a civil rights hero because he was arrested? I like people that weren't arrested.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 20, 2016, 06:15:45 PM

My dog gives better passive resistant techniques.  Just look at him holding his legs up!  You can tell his heart wasn't really in it. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 06:45:11 PM

PD (and Walrus?) you might like or at least find this interesting:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51nEw-gc-kL.jpg)

The subtitle is a bit misleading, it's actually more like Woodwards' The Agenda about the first year of Clinton's Presidency and that learning process only about Obama's first 18 months or so. Covering the internal battles over the stimulus, ACA, Dodd-Frank, etc.

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The new president surrounded himself with a team of seasoned players—like Rahm Emanuel, Larry Summers, and Tim Geithner—who had served a different president in a different time. As the nation’s crises deepened, Obama’s deputies often ignored the president’s decisions—“to protect him from himself”—while they fought to seize control of a rudderless White House. Bitter disputes—between men and women, policy and politics—ruled the day. The result was an administration that found itself overtaken by events as, year to year, Obama struggled to grow into the world’s toughest job and, in desperation, take control of his own administration.

My favorite part was when Larry Summers was basically laying out an extensive list of demands that would render Obama a figurehead and make him essentially Prime Minister, also give him a limo and a driver or he'd bring the whole administration down, and Summers dropped his list of demands in exchange for two rounds of golf with Obama and a better seat at the State of the Union. :lol

It portrays events mostly from the inside the White House/administration perspective, rather than talking about Congress, they're one of the "outsiders" so Pelosi, Grassley, etc. are all brought in more as the Obama team's reactions to what they're doing rather than a lot of, especially the ACA history, the Congressional debate. So it'll be more like "news came that Baucus had made this deal with health insurance companies, Rahm wanted to burn down his house, Orszag says it's not all bad maybe Obama could..., Summers interrupts and says no they should scrap this health care thing altogether, Obama nods and says he has to leave, they'll have another meeting next week and the week after and the week after and the week after to decide what to decide what to decide. Christina Romer wonders why nobody noticed she was in the room."

Also, a good part is where Obama is repeating everything Krugman writes in his column in regards to what should be done on the size of the stimulus. And it's rankling the insiders who want to keep making it smaller, so they schedule a dinner between Obama, Krugman and some others, and Krugman walks away thinking Obama agreed with him so he tones down his anti-Obama rhetoric for a while and all the White House people are high fiving each other because Obama's stopped repeating "Sweden, not Japan" in their meetings and is now willing to cut down the stimulus size since Krugman stopped harping on it in his column/blog.

One more anecdote, when Obama was giving his big health care speech to a joint session of Congress to save health care reform (the Joe Wilson "you lie!" speech) he wanted a rather extensive set of materials released to the press with the speech. Articles, studies, etc. to bolster his "plan" (which had been moved out of the speech) and Rahm had this all condensed into a two page talking points outline that was released instead. Orszag almost mentioned it to Obama on the eve of the speech and Rahm basically shot him a "I will fucking murder you here and now" look that shut him up. :lol

Apparently nobody in the White House was disappointed when Rahm made the tough decision to leave to run for Mayor of Chicago...

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Trent Dole on February 20, 2016, 06:58:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 05:26:32 PM

Quote

@AmericaFerrera 19m19 minutes ago

Harrah's casino site- Bernie supporters chant "English-only" to stop civil rights leader @DoloresHuerta from providing Spanish translation.

https://twitter.com/AmericaFerrera/status/701166307387928577

 :doge

Waiting on video of this.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 07:06:03 PM

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1.0 out of 5 stars One Star
ByLJon June 27, 2015
Format: Hardcover
More left-wing adoration of 0.

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1.0 out of 5 stars  Total waste of Money
ByXiphoson December 29, 2011
Format: Hardcover
Complete waste of money. This account of Obama is nothing more than another partisan expressing a love affair with the "Hope and Change" persona crafted by the American main stream media. Disgusting over use of adverbs and adjectives to charaterise Obama as a superhuman figure. There is a reason this garbage is 50% off at your local retailers. At least I did not pay full retail. Ugh. Hard to beleive this jackass got the Pulitzer. Then again, Pulitzer Prizes are becominig as relevant as a Grammy, ala Milli Vanilli. Pop culture at it's worst. Total waste of money. You owe me Ron. I feel like sending you a bill for my time.

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1.0 out of 5 stars  A work of FICTION
ByD. Millingtonon September 20, 2011
Format: Hardcover
Suskind, a former writer for the RW Wall Street Journal, now owned by News Corp (owner of Fox News), misquotes his interview subjects in order to confirm his own feelings about Obama and provides a clear definition of confirmation bias in action. Suskind mis-identified CNBC's (at the time) Erin Burnett as Erin Burkett. Suskind said in his book that unemployment rate in June 2009 as 8% when it was actually 9.5%. Suskind said the Dow dropped by 378 points on Feb 10, 2009, when it actually dropped 382 points. There are many who have said that Suskind plagiarized Wikipedia for some of the information without siting as a reference. In my opinion this book is a work of fiction. If I weren't being nice, I'd say Suskind is the WORST kind of "journalist" who puts into print lies to either try to destroy a political adversary or to aid the Republican Party to continue their attacks on the truth in politics just in order to win an election.

I knew it was a right-wing hitjob to prop up ZERO as a superhuman by getting the Dow change off by four points.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 07:35:19 PM

AP called SC for Trump with less than 1% in, half an hour after polls closed.

I'm actually more interested to see Carson's results and if he drops out or punts the ten days.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 08:44:17 PM

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Jeb Bush is suspending his presidential campaign, a source close to the matter said, capping a stunning deterioration for a candidate who once seemed destined for the GOP nomination.

The former Florida governor failed to make much of an impact in the South Carolina primary, which Donald Trump won on Saturday night, and was facing a cash crunch in the upcoming contests.

end of an error

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Atramental on February 20, 2016, 08:49:16 PM

"Sad!"

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 20, 2016, 08:52:28 PM

Holy Shiz! Rubio in second by a hair, Cruz really needs to be doing better right meow. I'm betting right now he's deeply regretting that whole 'Carson's dropping out, come support me' things his campaign in no way actually did and is seemingly keeping Ben in the race out of pure spite.

and Bush might as well be setting money on fire for as well as he's doing.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 20, 2016, 08:54:46 PM

Looks like its Trump, Rubio, Cruz, Kasich, Bush, then Carson. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: thisismyusername on February 20, 2016, 09:11:29 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 20, 2016, 08:52:28 PM

and Bush might as well be setting money on fire for as well as he's doing.

No more money into that burning engine, he's done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT8m1Rk0oCU

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2016, 09:11:43 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 20, 2016, 08:52:28 PM

and Bush might as well be setting money on fire for as well as he's doing.

It's not his money, tho.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Dennis on February 20, 2016, 09:24:12 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/DWUL6yj.gif)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 20, 2016, 10:22:11 PM

Donald Trump singlehandedly took down one of the most powerful political dynasties in America.  You will never hear about another Bush again unless it's for the local dog catcher.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 10:23:47 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 20, 2016, 10:22:11 PM

Donald Trump singlehandedly took down one of the most powerful political dynasties in America.  You will never hear about another Bush again unless it's for the local dog catcher.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/472094644893794304/ZLsyExb-.jpeg)

Quote

George P. Bush   Verified account
‏@georgepbush
I love you Dad and proud that you offered a servant's heart to the people of this great Country #allinforjeb

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 10:25:08 PM

And he did it while blaming Bush for 911 and supporting Planned Parenthood.  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 20, 2016, 10:26:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 10:23:47 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 20, 2016, 10:22:11 PM

Donald Trump singlehandedly took down one of the most powerful political dynasties in America.  You will never hear about another Bush again unless it's for the local dog catcher.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/472094644893794304/ZLsyExb-.jpeg)

Quote

George P. Bush   Verified account
‏@georgepbush
I love you Dad and proud that you offered a servant's heart to the people of this great Country #allinforjeb

Yeah but his current success is based on the Bush name, which means el zilcho as of about two hours ago.  His current position is about as good as it is going to get for him.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: benjipwns on February 20, 2016, 10:38:02 PM

The Bush name was in such good standing too. :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 20, 2016, 10:54:41 PM

The Sanders campaign is finished as well.  It never really got off the ground but if he won a surprise victory in Nevada tonight, you could argue that he has the potential to turn it around at some of the future primaries.  However the SC and SEC primaries are all going to work out very poorly for him.  He will win Vermont of course but it may be weeks before he wins a non-Vermont primary again.  Whatever weak momentum he has now will be dead.

He should just drop out now...or run as an Independent/Green candidate :letsfukk

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 10:57:09 PM

Can't say I buy the idea that P Bush will matter. Yea he'll become anything he wants in Texas - senator, governor, etc. But in the 10-15 years it'll take to become a presidential contender the country, and the republican party, will likely be very different. All those Bush donors who propped up W/Jeb will be dead, Texas will likely be a purple-state electorally, and speaking of which the demographics of the country will be entirely different.

This is the end for them. I just wonder if Jeb is gonna punish Rubio for the disloyalty, or will he simply endorse him.  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: octopushover on February 20, 2016, 11:10:39 PM

i fucking can't stand people who say that if they don't vote it's because the candidates didn't do enough to excite them.

you're voting for the leader of your country. this is not the moment to make it about you.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 11:15:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yHckRTkcZg

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 20, 2016, 11:23:18 PM

Not having a third Bush in the whitehouse gives me the same feeling as when Amazing Spiderman was canceled after only 2. 

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2016, 11:24:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yHckRTkcZg

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 20, 2016, 11:26:14 PM

PD is pretty excited I see

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 21, 2016, 12:03:16 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/4GMJIKt.jpg)

:dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 21, 2016, 12:20:53 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/jeb-bush-dropping-out-set-up-to-fail-213662

A post mortem up so soon?  They must have had it ready to go for days/weeks :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| "All I said was 'Gimme one more Justice'!"
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 21, 2016, 01:33:21 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 21, 2016, 12:20:53 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/jeb-bush-dropping-out-set-up-to-fail-213662

A post mortem up so soon?  They must have had it ready to go for days/weeks :doge

its like that Charlie Sheen obit the major papers are sitting on, you know it'll come in handy, likely soon, but not when exactly.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2016, 01:35:35 AM

lol at not thinking Rubio would get in the race when he'd been telegraphing it for years and also assuming that knocking out Mitt Romney was all they had to do

Jeb wasn't exactly dominating before Trump hopped in either, his peak polling was at like 20%, I was always baffled by the narrative that Jeb was an unbeatable frontrunner when the Tea Party/Nativist/Evangelicals were never on board, the "establishment" always had too many candidates in the race, while Cruz would have the right-wing of the party sewn up since nobody would follow him to hold on principles

Where Trump changed the race was on immigration, he made it impossible for the "establishment" candidates to stick to their positions, and that's what killed Jeb who wouldn't budge on the big issue, Rubio did and tried to outflank everyone but Cruz and Trump on everything he could

I still think Walker bailed out too early, much like Pawlenty in 2012.

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on February 21, 2016, 01:45:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/i4I9aTN.png)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: VomKriege on February 21, 2016, 02:21:25 AM

So it's official, the GOP nominee will surely be a cuckoo ?

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2016, 02:25:44 AM

Well, John Kasich is still in the race. :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Trent Dole on February 21, 2016, 05:40:49 AM

What if both Bernie and the Don don't get the nominations of the parties they're currently running for, but then run anyway? C'mon four way race! :hyper

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Syph on February 21, 2016, 01:20:41 PM

Every day, the Rubio dream becomes more of a reality
#ifyourenotfirstyouresecond

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on February 21, 2016, 01:22:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/5wEJ9pQ.png)

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2016, 02:41:48 PM

Right to Fall

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2016, 03:04:06 PM

Romney is endorsing Rubio. I guess that's a positive for Rubio?  ???

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Atramental on February 21, 2016, 05:15:35 PM

Both of them are robots so it makes sense that one would endorse the other.  :doge

Title: Re: Rock Out With Your Caucus Out |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2016, 05:26:42 PM

Has anyone done more for income equality than Karl Rove or Mike Murphy? Think about all the money they milked from billionaires and utterly wasted on terrible presidential candidates. I'd imagine the total equals the amount of money payday loans and other scams milk from the lower classes.
:lawd

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Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2016, 08:18:23 PM

Hey, Bob Shrum and Tad Devine started that racket, Rove and Murphy just took it big time.

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EDIT: Okay, Mark Hanna did. But still!

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Post by: benjipwns on February 21, 2016, 08:26:43 PM

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Glenn Beck
Yesterday at 5:12pm ·
Facebook Mentions

I would like to ask you to join me and my family Monday in a fast for Ted Cruz, our country and the Nevada caucus.

‪#‎scprimary‬
‪#‎tedcruz‬
‪#‎nevadacaucus‬

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2016, 03:04:06 PM

Romney is endorsing Rubio. I guess that's a positive for Rubio?  ???

So did Donnie Wahlberg (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/270212-donnie-wahlberg-endorses-rubio)!

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Post by: Dennis on February 21, 2016, 08:42:35 PM

(https://j.gifs.com/BB8BLx.gif)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2016, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 21, 2016, 08:26:43 PM

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Glenn Beck
Yesterday at 5:12pm ·
Facebook Mentions

I would like to ask you to join me and my family Monday in a fast for Ted Cruz, our country and the Nevada caucus.

‪#‎scprimary‬
‪#‎tedcruz‬
‪#‎nevadacaucus‬

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2016, 03:04:06 PM

Romney is endorsing Rubio. I guess that's a positive for Rubio?  ???

So did Donnie Wahlberg (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/270212-donnie-wahlberg-endorses-rubio)!

Rubio's got it (The Right Stuff) to get you loving him forever. He will treat you right and be your cover girl when you're hangin' tough, are you down?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2016, 09:08:38 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbyKzDyUUAE5Jrn.jpg)
http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/02/marco-rubio-harry-potter-219597

 :doge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 21, 2016, 09:11:16 PM

 :whoo

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Occulus Repairo

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2016, 09:12:36 PM

Rubio please, the kidz only care about Trump or Bernie. You just need to stick to the Jesus stuff and try to peel off some Cruz voters.

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Post by: Mr Gilhaney on February 21, 2016, 09:14:43 PM

Who's the ginger from harry potter though? I would vote for him.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 21, 2016, 09:17:13 PM

No one votes for Ron.  In the Harry Potter lore, Ron is constantly feeling like he lives in the shadow of better people.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 21, 2016, 09:20:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 21, 2016, 09:17:13 PM

No one votes for Ron.  In the Harry Potter lore, Ron is constantly feeling like he lives in the shadow of better people.

 :paul

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Post by: Trurl on February 21, 2016, 09:53:31 PM

Sanders never had a chance at the nomination and was always about expanding what is important and palatable politically.   The fact that Sanders has done as well as he has is a total surprise and pretty cool.   Clinton supporters' response to this moment has been embarrassing.

Note: I've probably just missed the worst of Sanders' support.   I just read Poligaf where some people almost seem to think Bernie is a white supremacist or something.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 21, 2016, 10:54:46 PM

Quote from: Trurl on February 21, 2016, 09:53:31 PM

Sanders never had a chance at the nomination and was always about expanding what is important and palatable politically.   The fact that Sanders has done as well as he has is a total surprise and pretty cool.   Clinton supporters' response to this moment has been embarrassing.

Note: I've probably just missed the worst of Sanders' support.   I just read Poligaf where some people almost seem to think Bernie is a white supremacist or something.

Bernie Sanders is the Bizarro Ron Paul and his success can attributed more to a desire to see a progressive alternative to Hillary Clinton.  Sanders is an exceptionally weak candidate.

I'm curious what blackmail/payouts the Clintons made to keep the Democrat field so barren this time around.  In Nevada, there were only 80,000 who turned out to the primaries vs. 120,000 in 2008.  There is a distinct lack of enthusiasm this go around for the Democrats.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2016, 11:54:57 PM

I think it's moreso a mixture of everyone knowing the Clintons are a juggernaut, the potential of Biden running, other candidates imploding before the process began (remember Brian Schweitzer?), and the general weakness of the democrat bench due to the depletion of democrat governors. Major losses in 2010 and 2014 basically ended the careers of various people who might have been able to run now.

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Post by: curly on February 21, 2016, 11:55:15 PM

Quote from: Trurl on February 21, 2016, 09:53:31 PM

Sanders never had a chance at the nomination and was always about expanding what is important and palatable politically.   The fact that Sanders has done as well as he has is a total surprise and pretty cool.   Clinton supporters' response to this moment has been embarrassing.

Note: I've probably just missed the worst of Sanders' support.   I just read Poligaf where some people almost seem to think Bernie is a white supremacist or something.

Poligaf whining about bernie bros is hilarious considering what a hive mind that place is.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2016, 11:54:57 PM

I think it's moreso a mixture of everyone knowing the Clintons are a juggernaut, the potential of Biden running, other candidates imploding before the process began (remember Brian Schweitzer?), and the general weakness of the democrat bench due to the depletion of democrat governors. Major losses in 2010 and 2014 basically ended the careers of various people who might have been able to run now.

Is Clinton a juggernaut though? I'm guessing a bunch of the more establishment potential candidates are kicking themselves for not getting in the race (although who knows how they would have done in this cycle).

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Post by: Purrp Skirrp on February 22, 2016, 12:48:38 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/GBmTXpC.gif)

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Post by: Sausage on February 22, 2016, 12:49:15 AM

Who would even be viable VP candidates for Hillary? The only other people I can think of are Booker and Castro, and they both seem like reaches since they were only just mayors until like a couple years ago.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2016, 01:31:03 AM

Quote from: curly on February 21, 2016, 11:55:15 PM

Is Clinton a juggernaut though? I'm guessing a bunch of the more establishment potential candidates are kicking themselves for not getting in the race (although who knows how they would have done in this cycle).

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 21, 2016, 10:54:46 PM

I'm curious what blackmail/payouts the Clintons made to keep the Democrat field so barren this time around.  In Nevada, there were only 80,000 who turned out to the primaries vs. 120,000 in 2008.  There is a distinct lack of enthusiasm this go around for the Democrats.

As PD notes, who exactly would the other candidates be, that not only thought they had a chance against Hillary, would dare take her on and were at the point in their political career they would want to run. (And extra so with Biden in the race.) Brian Schweitzer, Andrew Cuomo, Deval Patrick are about it.

Janet Napolitano openly wanted to run but knew she had no chance. Also from the cabinet could be Sebelius, but Obamacare rollout probably derailed anything. Most of the also-rans from 2008 are now non-starters, Richardson, Edwards, Dodd, Evan Bayh, etc. Mark Warner's lost his luster, especially after that last Senate race.

If we're to take Warren at her word, she doesn't really have interest in the Presidency vs. making policy/legislation. (Something Ted Kennedy late in his life said he found more rewarding than all the Presidential speculation and activity over his career, but also he had a fear of being killed like his brothers.)

For a little while I thought Al Franken might be the ideal kind of anti-Hillary throw away Presidential campaign, if only because he'd find it amusing.

What's interesting, is that you could have easily doubled the size of the GOP field with "legit" candidates. (In terms of having a shot at winning states if not the nomination.)

Quote from: Sausage on February 22, 2016, 12:49:15 AM

Who would even be viable VP candidates for Hillary? The only other people I can think of are Booker and Castro, and they both seem like reaches since they were only just mayors until like a couple years ago.

This is the conventional wisdom because HEIR APPARENT IN EIGHT YEARS. Something that hasn't been a VP factor in.... I've always assumed Hillary doesn't want anyone to overshadow her. So it'll be some battleground white guy who's friendly with the Clinton's but a non-threat.

I'd enjoy very much if it was the bag man.

Quote from: Trurl on February 21, 2016, 09:53:31 PM

  I just read Poligaf where some people almost seem to think Bernie is a white supremacist or something.

I'm not saying I started this, but I certainly haven't helped by using "virulent racist and gun fetishist" as if it were his position or first name in multiple GAF threads.

Too many of the main Hillary-fanatics know me to make the felon/murderer thing last long.

Couldn't get any traction on the Hillary being ideal for the economy because of her cattle futures history campaign, because I don't think anyone understood the reference since they all came of political or literal age during Obama or the late stages of W. Bush.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2016, 01:59:03 AM

One thing regarding this time vs. 2008 in turnout is that Edwards was still in the race and pulling in 15-20% as a third option until Super Tuesday. (Well, really until after SC when his poll numbers tanked and he bolted rather than get thrashed.) Beat Hillary in Iowa too. National polls coming out of Iowa were Hillary 33%, Obama 30%, Edwards 20%.

There's not two candidates like Obama and Edwards (both of whom had decent money/campaign teams) challenging Hillary, nor teaming up on her in debates, there's a 70+ year old self-proclaimed Socialist who had until recently been running a threadbare campaign that was behind by like 40 points nationally.

Since I got the polls open, GOP race:
Rasmussen month before Iowa: Mike Huckabee 23%, Rudy Giuliani 20%, Mitt Romney 14%, Fred Thompson 10%, John McCain 8%, Ron Paul 6%
Rasmussen day before Iowa: John McCain 17%, Mike Huckabee 16%, Mitt Romney 16%, Rudy Giuliani 15%, Fred Thompson 12%, Ron Paul 7%
Rasmussen week after Iowa: Mike Huckabee 20%, John McCain 19%, Rudy Giuliani 17%, Mitt Romney 15%, Fred Thompson 11%, Ron Paul 3%
Rasmussen going into NH: John McCain 23%, Mike Huckabee 20%, Mitt Romney 13%, Fred Thompson 12%, Rudy Giuliani 11%, Ron Paul 3%
ABC going into NH: John McCain 28%, Mike Huckabee 20%, Mitt Romney 19%, Rudy Giuliani 15%, Fred Thompson 8%, Ron Paul 3%, Duncan Hunter 2%,
ABC after SC: John McCain 48%, Mitt Romney 24%, Mike Huckabee 16%, Ron Paul 7%, Rudy Giuliani 1%, Fred Thompson 1%
Rasmussen's last poll: John McCain 53%, Mike Huckabee 30%, Ron Paul 9%
Gallup's second to last: John McCain 61%, Mike Huckabee 23%, Ron Paul 4%, Alan Keyes 4%
Gallup's last GOP poll: John McCain 63%, Mike Huckabee 21%, Ron Paul 6%, Alan Keyes 2%

Even more fun:

Zogby December 2005:
GOP:   John McCain 19%, Rudy Giuliani 17%, Condoleezza Rice 12%, Jeb Bush 4%, Newt Gingrich 4%, George Allen 3%, Bill Frist 3%, Mitt Romney 2%, Tim Pawlenty 2%, Fred Thompson 1%, Mike Huckabee 1%, Sam Brownback 1%, Chuck Hagel 1%, George Pataki 1%, Rick Santorum 0%, Haley Barbour 0%, Mark Sanford 0%
DEM:    Hillary Clinton 26%, John Edwards 12%, Joe Lieberman 10%, John Kerry 9%, Barack Obama 7%, Joe Biden 3%, Wesley Clark 3%, Bill Richardson 3%, Evan Bayh 1%, Tim Kaine 1%, Mark Warner 1%

Gallup November 2006:
GOP:    Rudy Giuliani 28%, John McCain 26%, Condoleezza Rice 13%, Newt Gingrich 7%, Mitt Romney 5%, Bill Frist 4%, George Allen 2%, George Pataki 1%, Mike Huckabee 1%, Chuck Hagel 1%, Sam Brownback 1%, Duncan Hunter 0%
DEM:    Hillary Clinton 31%, Barack Obama 19%, John Edwards 10%, Al Gore 9%, John Kerry 7%, Joe Biden 4%, Wesley Clark 3%, Evan Bayh 2%, Bill Richardson 2%, Tom Daschle 1%, Christopher Dodd 1%, Russ Feingold 1%, Tom Vilsack 1%

IT'S A SCIENCE

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Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2016, 02:13:08 AM

While I'm posting old garbage, Lieberman disappearing "suddenly" from the Democratic polls in 2006 reminded me I made some 2004 Democratic Primary graphs last year at some point:

Jan 2002 up to Iowa:

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dat Joe name recognition...I left off Gore and Hillary either of whom led in all the 2002 hypotheticals

Summer 2003 up to Kerry landslide:

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Draft Clark boomlet #DraftClark

It doesn't really show up in the graph because I did the moving average, but there was like a week where Sharpton randomly had like two polls that put him at 10% and second place. Must have been after a debate or something.

(http://c6.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/Howard%20Dean.jpg)

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by December 9, 2003 9:48 AM

Al Gore’s endorsement of Howard Dean in Harlem today basically wraps up the Democratic nomination for president.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 22, 2016, 10:39:25 AM

Trump is not saying that Cruz AND Rubio are ineligible to be President of the United States, he's just asking questions.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 22, 2016, 10:58:17 AM

What happened to Brian Schweitzer PD?

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Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2016, 11:06:22 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 22, 2016, 10:58:17 AM

What happened to Brian Schweitzer PD?

Took a job as a lobbyist, iirc

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2016, 11:50:12 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 22, 2016, 10:58:17 AM

What happened to Brian Schweitzer PD?

The gay agenda happened, BrandKnew. The gay agenda.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/the-rise-and-fall-of-brian-schweitzer#.rjBOXAGnV

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Post by: Syph on February 22, 2016, 12:09:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2016, 05:26:42 PM

Has anyone done more for income equality than Karl Rove or Mike Murphy? Think about all the money they milked from billionaires and utterly wasted on terrible presidential candidates. I'd imagine the total equals the amount of money payday loans and other scams milk from the lower classes.
:lawd

so what you're saying is really,, jeb bush 2020???? and 2024 etc

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 22, 2016, 01:41:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 22, 2016, 11:50:12 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 22, 2016, 10:58:17 AM

What happened to Brian Schweitzer PD?

The gay agenda happened, BrandKnew. The gay agenda.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/the-rise-and-fall-of-brian-schweitzer#.rjBOXAGnV

Yikes.  What a shame.  I really REALLY liked him after the convention in 2012.  Oh well.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 22, 2016, 03:07:59 PM

Trump should ask Jeb to be his running mate just for maximum cuckage. :lawd

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 22, 2016, 03:28:35 PM

Ya make him bottom (of ticket).   

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 22, 2016, 03:39:14 PM

He has to watch while Trump screws America.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on February 22, 2016, 03:44:06 PM

Better than having to bite the pillow and go to another place while you're getting screwed, I guess

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 22, 2016, 03:44:32 PM

And then try to clean up the mess Trump leaves after he finishes. 

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 22, 2016, 04:27:15 PM

wrong thread

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 22, 2016, 04:46:17 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/bernie-sanders-cia-219451

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In his most recent debate with Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders befuddled some viewers with an arcane reference to a 1953 U.S.-backed coup in Iran, which Sanders called an example of America’s history of “overthrowing governments.”

lawl, look at this left-wing lunatic and his "arcane" references to "overthrowing governments", whatever that's supposed to mean.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 22, 2016, 05:08:36 PM

God what is he going to talk about next, The Bay of Pigs?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 22, 2016, 08:09:02 PM

Plus, Eric Cantor totally loves the cock, I mean just look at him.

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Post by: Mandark on February 22, 2016, 11:33:25 PM

They left out the context of his quote, which was him calling Southern men effeminate in general.  He also basically called Diane Feinstein a whore in the same article.

So he's a former governor of one of the least-populated states, who isn't a particularly reliable liberal AFAIK, and has already proved his ability to say dumb things into a microphone.  Not so sure the Dems missed out on their golden boy there.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 22, 2016, 11:44:46 PM

You saying Southern men are not effeminate in general?

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Post by: thisismyusername on February 22, 2016, 11:47:39 PM

http://noirjyre.tumblr.com/post/139823433431/liartownusa-as-you-have-forsaken-jeb-so-you

(http://40.media.tumblr.com/400a8b5023b5b3d9a95436c36005df5e/tumblr_o2ytjeXTyk1s71q1zo1_400.png)

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Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2016, 05:40:09 PM

http://www.vox.com/2015/7/14/8962411/donald-trump-polls-bush

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Donald Trump’s rise is great news — for Jeb Bush

Donald Trump’s surge in the polls has been covered as terrible news for the GOP. But it’s fantastic news for one Republican — Jeb Bush.

The rise of the bombastic celebrity mogul and the saturation media coverage of his controversial comments on illegal immigrants is a godsend for the putative frontrunner, who, in every area except fundraising, has been underperforming so far.

In addition to the fact that Trump poses no threat to actually win the Republican nomination, the purported billionaire helpfully sucks up all the media oxygen so none of Bush's potentially more dangerous rivals can get any attention. Trump also presents a wonderful contrast for Bush — making him look tolerant, professional, and adult. And if Trump stays in the race and remains popular on the right, it will show that yet again, conservative voters simply can't get it together to seriously wield their influence in the presidential primaries.

The race is young, and if the roller coaster polls in 2011-'12 are any indication, things are likely to keep changing quite a bit before voting actually starts. Debates, new campaign developments, or the Iowa caucuses — which look promising for Scott Walker — could certainly elevate other contenders above Trump.

But if the race should happen to stay where it is in recent national polls — a race with Jeb Bush and Donald Trump as the top two contenders — it would be a cinch for Bush to win.

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Trump prevents candidates who could beat Bush from getting precious media attention

But it's Trump's greatest skill — getting media attention — that doubles as his greatest service to Bush. Every minute that media outlets cover Trump controversies is another minute that all of Bush's more dangerous rivals are excluded from the spotlight.

The GOP field is so crowded right now, with 15 candidates and two more expected to jump in soon, that the key challenge most contenders face is simply getting anyone to pay attention to them. Bush, the default choice who also benefits from name recognition, doesn't face that problem. But everyone hoping to dislodge him does.

Yet as these hopefuls are trying desperately to make their mark, a whopping 48 percent of the social and regular media conversation about the presidential election in one recent week was about Trump, according to Zignal Labs, an analytics partner of the Washington Post. This chart from BuzzFeed News's Katherine Miller looks even more stark:


As is evident from the social media numbers, there's a reason regular media outlets have been spotlighting Trump so much. They've learned that a ton of people love reading, watching, listening to, and clicking on content about Donald Trump much more than they do content about most other GOP presidential candidates.

Now even articles about other candidates are sometimes sold as articles about Trump — take, for instance, this noble effort by Slate to get people to click on a story about John Kasich last week:

 
The problem of media attention is particularly acute this year because GOP candidates need to place in the top 10 in national polls to even qualify for the party's first two debates. Trump now qualifies easily (provided he turns in financial disclosure forms to the FEC, as he's said he will this week). But many other contenders — like Chris Christie, John Kasich, Rick Santorum, Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, Carly Fiorina, and Lindsey Graham — are in danger of missing the cutoff.

And even if these candidates do manage to qualify, how could they upstage Trump in the debate? The man is a reality TV star whose whole schtick is saying attention-getting things. Bush will get attention regardless, due to being the frontrunner. Maybe the best a long-shot candidate can hope for is that Trump will pick a fight with him — and that, hopefully, Trump will be the one who ends up looking foolish.

Ahh, a simpler time. Back before arcane references to "overthrowing governments" or whatever it is the kids are on these days.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 23, 2016, 05:55:49 PM

Great news for Jeb, but even better news for John McCain.

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Post by: Dickie Dee on February 23, 2016, 06:29:30 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 23, 2016, 05:13:27 PM

I felt no joy in Scalia's death. I disliked the man intensely, but I sympathized for his family and friends, and I hoped it happened peacefully.

When Mitch McConnell dies I will buy a fucking case of Cristal.

You do know that Tortoises are one of the longest-lived species in the animal kingdom don't you?

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Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2016, 10:38:36 PM

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Jonathan Martin     Verified account
‏@jmartNYT
Carson statement for the ages!

he "received as many delegates in South Carolina as all other candidates but the winner"

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Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2016, 10:41:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GnYtuhZXzo

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Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2016, 01:23:17 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-news-reported-rubio-sleep

RUBIO PLZ

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Fox News reported Wednesday that Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) had gone to bed as the results of the Tuesday Nevada caucuses were still rolling in.

Fox hosts cut to reporter John Roberts for an update on the Rubio campaign, which had announced Tuesday that it would not stay in Nevada.

"Nothing else tonight," Roberts said. "The senator has gone to bed and has a lot of work to do between now and super Tuesday."

:neogaf

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Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 01:28:04 AM

http://correctrecord.org/an-open-letter-to-senator-bernie-sanders/

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Dear Senator Sanders,

I’m writing today to urge that you and your campaign immediately halt all negative campaigning against our party’s prospective candidate for the Presidency, Secretary Hillary Clinton.

After first pledging to wage a positive campaign for President, you and your campaign have for weeks now engaged in a relentlessly ugly barrage of false character attacks against Mrs. Clinton, including running negative TV advertising of the sort you promised you never would.

Following the Nevada caucuses, you had the opportunity to live up to the self-professed ideals of your own campaign by delivering an aspirational message of systemic change, but instead you chose to ramp up spurious negative attacks against the winner of those caucuses.

These attacks –- ranging from baseless insinuations that Mrs. Clinton is somehow compromised in her ability to support meaningful reform in the financial sector, when her record shows the opposite, to unfairly impugning her reputation as a true progressive, despite her 40 years of committed, passionate advocacy – must cease.

Your continued suggestions that Mrs. Clinton is untrustworthy and even corrupt – when nothing could be further from the truth – are a threat to our party’s standing, up and down the November ballot.

With Mrs. Clinton now universally recognized as the leading candidate for the Democratic Presidential nomination, at this juncture, by staying negative, all you are doing is helping Karl Rove and his ilk do their general election dirty work. In fact, Rove and his wealthy right-wing backers have already spent millions of dollars echoing the smears you and your campaign have unfortunately directed at Mrs. Clinton.

Senator Sanders, I speak for many Clinton supporters in applauding you for raising important issues in this campaign and for helping to engage a new generation of Democratic voters. You and Mrs. Clinton agree on many priorities and goals, and the comparing and contrasting of your respective policies and programs has spurred a robust, healthy debate about how to achieve those critical aims. You can play a constructive role in the party by continuing this substantive dialogue and staying positive for the duration of your campaign.

You and I both know that the stakes for our country are just too high this November – with the Presidency, and control of the Senate and the Supreme Court hanging in the balance – for you to continue to spend your energy and resources on destructive attacks that stand to hurt all Democrats.

Please stop.

Respectfully,

David Brock

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Post by: Trent Dole on February 24, 2016, 01:42:59 AM

:lol :sheik

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Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 01:51:32 AM

Get lost Sanders, you can't compare with her powers. It's universally recognized that you should go home and be a family man.

Respectfully,

David Brock.

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Post by: VomKriege on February 24, 2016, 02:00:27 AM

(http://static.gamesradar.com/images/mb/GamesRadar/us/Daily/2010/10-Oct/05/NBA%20Jam/George%20W%20Bush--article_image.jpg)
Vindicated by history : Actually won an election.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on February 24, 2016, 02:03:39 AM

:drudge (http://a5.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/w_652/avfgbrx00dvyzbwi0atg.jpg) :drudge

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 24, 2016, 02:06:17 AM

I'm legitimately terrified now.  He's going to win.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 02:10:49 AM

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Post by: nachobro on February 24, 2016, 03:43:50 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2016, 02:06:17 AM

I'm legitimately terrified now.  He's going to win.

The most luxurious, brilliant president of all time

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 24, 2016, 07:26:01 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2016, 02:06:17 AM

I'm legitimately terrified now.  He's going to win.

"President Trump."  Better get used to that term, you'll hear it be said for the next eight years.

See also: http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/24/opinions/trump-will-be-republican-nominee-robbins/

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Post by: Atramental on February 24, 2016, 08:06:44 AM

What should I do to prepare for the Trump era?

I already have a pdf of "Trump: Art of the Deal" on my computer to see if I can glean any insights from that.  :doge

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Post by: brawndolicious on February 24, 2016, 09:05:49 AM

It's funny that everybody is panicking about Trump possibly winning the general election. He's locked up the angry white vote to get the Republican nomination but the country is a lot more diverse than the Republican party. He's going to shift way hard to the left, starting with saying that Bush didn't keep America safe in the last debate, but he can't change those tiny parts of his platform about throwing out all undocumented immigrants and banning Muslims.

A lot of conservatives just want to vote for a racist type of candidate, the louder racist is better but a more subtle one is fine too. This does not help turn light blue or moderate swing states to the red.

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Post by: tiesto on February 24, 2016, 09:29:50 AM

A friend of mine is convinced that anti-immigration isn't necessarily a conservative position. I could see Trump re-orienting to the left on all of these positions except maybe anti-immigration. TBH I'd still rather a Trump than a Cruz or Rubio presidency if I was forced at gunpoint (THE TERRORISTS LAW)

Interestingly enough, he got close to 1/2 of all of the Hispanic caucus voters.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on February 24, 2016, 10:14:36 AM

Quote from: tiesto on February 24, 2016, 09:29:50 AM

A friend of mine is convinced that anti-immigration isn't necessarily a conservative position. I could see Trump re-orienting to the left on all of these positions except maybe anti-immigration. TBH I'd still rather a Trump than a Cruz or Rubio presidency if I was forced at gunpoint (THE TERRORISTS LAW)

Interestingly enough, he got close to 1/2 of all of the Hispanic caucus voters.

Being left wing on most things except about foreigners.

Sounds like National Socialism.

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Post by: Mupepe on February 24, 2016, 10:19:32 AM

I have family members - children of currently illegal immigrants - that support the anti immigration nonsense rhetoric. 

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Post by: Great Rumbler on February 24, 2016, 10:24:21 AM

Quote from: tiesto on February 24, 2016, 09:29:50 AM

Interestingly enough, he got close to 1/2 of all of the Hispanic caucus voters.

Apparently, the percentage of Nevada Hispanics that are Republican is very, very low.

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Post by: Rufus on February 24, 2016, 12:41:49 PM

Quote from: Dufus on February 24, 2016, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 24, 2016, 10:19:32 AM

I have family members - children of currently illegal immigrants - that support the anti immigration nonsense rhetoric.

Classic example of the 'fuck you I got mine' mentality

Or in this case 'fuck you I got in' :doge

My mother is the same. Drives me up the wall.

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Post by: studyguy on February 24, 2016, 01:15:02 PM

That Fox News exit poll has people legit shook somehow without looking at the numbers behind it.
Good lord people treating it like the dude just won a majority of Latino votes.  ::)

We're never going to have an election nearly as entertaining as this one, lawd.

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Post by: Brehvolution on February 24, 2016, 01:52:37 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on February 24, 2016, 02:06:17 AM

I'm legitimately terrified now.  He's going to win.

I wouldn't be. I would be if it was cruz. I still think trump gets smoked by hillary in the debates.

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Post by: Sausage on February 24, 2016, 02:20:06 PM

Trump is a master debator. The only thing anybody ever remembers from debates are the little soundbites which is all Trump really does anyways.

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Post by: studyguy on February 24, 2016, 05:00:16 PM

Feel like at the very least we're going to end up looking at Bernie's campaign post mortem as something new in terms of mobilizing youth votes on social media in a huge way. It's interesting to watch things unfold that normally happen every year with regular campaigns but out online where basically everyone can watch what's going down (for better or worse depending on how annoyed you get about them pushing him everywhere).

It feels pretty novel to me at least whereas before you'd see campaigns hitting you this hard in print, on tv, on radio or fucking your physical mailbox in the ass with junk (showed interest in a campaign once and it was RIP my mailbox ever since come time to vote on basically anything).

I'd imagine a lot of his base are basically going to walk off all #sadboyz in the end, but those that stick around will probably be due to the campaign having lit some fire up their ass to fix things next time. Dude has probably done a lot of good for the dem base even if many feel #bern'd by the system coming out of an inevitable loss.

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Post by: Trent Dole on February 24, 2016, 07:03:17 PM

Bernie is best grill :uguu
But I'll still vote Hillary to keep out whatever shitlord gets the opposing parties nomination. :punch

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Post by: brawndolicious on February 24, 2016, 07:04:20 PM

I remember in the mid-2000's I was arguing with friends about 9/11 conspiracies, when I realized I always did know a few crazy, stupid people. People that were my friends but turned out to be angry, gullible, and biased.

And now Trump is like white 9/11.

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Post by: Oblivion on February 24, 2016, 08:31:57 PM

Quote from: Dufus on February 24, 2016, 12:40:47 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on February 24, 2016, 10:19:32 AM

I have family members - children of currently illegal immigrants - that support the anti immigration nonsense rhetoric.

Classic example of the 'fuck you I got mine' mentality

Or in this case 'fuck you I got in' :doge

No, it's far more incoherent as Trump said he plans on deporting American born children of illegals as well.  :doge

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Post by: VomKriege on February 25, 2016, 04:16:58 AM

Quote from: studyguy on February 24, 2016, 05:00:16 PM

Feel like at the very least we're going to end up looking at Bernie's campaign post mortem as something new in terms of mobilizing youth votes on social media in a huge way. It's interesting to watch things unfold that normally happen every year with regular campaigns but out online where basically everyone can watch what's going down (for better or worse depending on how annoyed you get about them pushing him everywhere).

It feels pretty novel to me at least whereas before you'd see campaigns hitting you this hard in print, on tv, on radio or fucking your physical mailbox in the ass with junk (showed interest in a campaign once and it was RIP my mailbox ever since come time to vote on basically anything).

I'd imagine a lot of his base are basically going to walk off all #sadboyz in the end, but those that stick around will probably be due to the campaign having lit some fire up their ass to fix things next time. Dude has probably done a lot of good for the dem base even if many feel #bern'd by the system coming out of an inevitable loss.

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Less of a young vote maybe ?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 10:37:33 AM

Is it new though? Obama mobilized young people online too. The difference is that his young people actually came out to vote in mass whereas Sanders has yet to display the revolution he talks about. That revolution happened in 2008 bros.

Sanders is just another Ron Paul who inspired fervent excitement among a group of people with a large presence online. I used to think libertarianism was the future of the GOP, just as various think pieces now claim Sanders' ideas are the future of the democrat party. But now it looks like the GOP is heading for the same neoconservative foreign policy, corporate welfare, and authoritarianism as usual. Paul's influence now looks like it was just to convince future Trump supporters to sign up for Facebook.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 25, 2016, 10:59:54 AM

To me, almost nothing about the GOP looks even close to a pre-Ron Paul "as usual."

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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 11:14:31 AM

In terms of targeting people susceptible to investment scams, Paul certainly seemed to pave the way for Trump and Carson.

PD's right though.  Obama winning twice with that coalition did more to move Hillary to the left than everything the Sanders campaign has done, and I don't expect the Sanders campaign to translate into a meaningful, sustained movement to shift the US to Scandinavian-style social democracy.

I do wonder if the free college thing will stick in some form.  With college seeming more and more of a requirement for a decent-paying career path, and involving more and more student debt, you'd expect young people to vote their interests, similar to old folks protecting SS and Medicare.

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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 11:24:22 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 25, 2016, 10:59:54 AM

To me, almost nothing about the GOP looks even close to a pre-Ron Paul "as usual."

How so?  To me it feels like the orientation of the party on taxes, regulation, social insurance, crime, and cultural issues is roughly the same as it was 15 years ago.  Heck, 30 years ago.  To the degree that it's shifted, it doesn't seem to be towards the areas where Paul challenged the orthodoxy.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 11:28:09 AM

This primary just doesn't stop.

(http://i.imgur.com/NoxWs7i.png)

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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 25, 2016, 11:33:46 AM

Are we acting like Donald Trump hasn't won three straight primaries and a Bush didn't just embarrassingly drop out of the race? I think Ron Paul's popularity signaled the demise of the traditional GOP, empowered the Tea Party, and led to the viability of Cruz and Trump to take over the party. Am I way off here? I don't have much political memory of Newt's Contract on America, so maybe this is cyclical and I don't realize it.

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Post by: tiesto on February 25, 2016, 11:48:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 10:37:33 AM

Is it new though? Obama mobilized young people online too. The difference is that his young people actually came out to vote in mass whereas Sanders has yet to display the revolution he talks about. That revolution happened in 2008 bros.

Sanders is just another Ron Paul who inspired fervent excitement among a group of people with a large presence online. I used to think libertarianism was the future of the GOP, just as various think pieces now claim Sanders' ideas are the future of the democrat party. But now it looks like the GOP is heading for the same neoconservative foreign policy, corporate welfare, and authoritarianism as usual. Paul's influence now looks like it was just to convince future Trump supporters to sign up for Facebook.

Sanders is actually getting his fair share of primary votes, though... Ron Paul supporters were loud but that never amounted to anything in the primaries.

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 11:14:31 AM

In terms of targeting people susceptible to investment scams, Paul certainly seemed to pave the way for Trump and Carson.

Heh, the biggest Paul supporters I know are also very active in Amway...

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Post by: Mupepe on February 25, 2016, 12:11:14 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 11:14:31 AM

In terms of targeting people susceptible to investment scams, Paul certainly seemed to pave the way for Trump and Carson.

PD's right though.  Obama winning twice with that coalition did more to move Hillary to the left than everything the Sanders campaign has done, and I don't expect the Sanders campaign to translate into a meaningful, sustained movement to shift the US to Scandinavian-style social democracy.

I do wonder if the free college thing will stick in some form.  With college seeming more and more of a requirement for a decent-paying career path, and involving more and more student debt, you'd expect young people to vote their interests, similar to old folks protecting SS and Medicare.

Regarding free college, I don't see anything happening without student loan debt also being forgiven.  There's too many people who have the attitude of "I paid for mine (most mean their parents paid) so others should too."  That's what I hear most from people in their mid and early 20's.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 12:43:44 PM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224

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But Trump's thin-skinned dealings with reporters didn't fully explain the media's efforts to prop up his opponents. We've long been engaged in our own version of the high school put-down game, battering nerds and outsiders like Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich while elevating "electable," party-approved candidates like John McCain and John Kerry.

Thus it was no surprise that after Iowa, columnists tried to sell the country on the loathsome "Marcomentum" narrative, a paean to the good old days when reporters got to tell the public who was hot and who wasn't – the days of the "Straight Talk Express," "Joementum," etc.

"Marco Rubio Was the Real Winner in Iowa," blared CNN. "Marco Rubio's Iowa Mojo," chimed in Politico. "Forget Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio Is the Real Winner of the Iowa Caucuses," agreed Vanity Fair.

Rubio, we were told, had zoomed to the front of the "establishment lane" in timely enough fashion to stop Trump. Of course, in the real world, nobody cares about what happens in the "establishment lane" except other journalists. But even the other candidates seemed to believe the narrative. Ohio Gov. John Kasich staggered out of Iowa in eighth place and was finishing up his 90th lonely appearance in New Hampshire when Boston-based reporters caught up to him.

"If we get smoked up there, I'm going back to Ohio," he lamented. Kasich in person puts on a brave face, but he also frequently rolls his eyes in an expression of ostentatious misanthropy that says, "I can't believe I'm losing to these idiots."

But then Rubio went onstage at St. Anselm College in the eighth GOP debate and blew himself up. Within just a few minutes of a vicious exchange with haran​guing now-former candidate Chris Christie, he twice delivered the exact same canned 25-second spiel about how Barack Obama "knows exactly what he's doing."

Rubio's face-plant brilliantly reprised Sir Ian Holm's performance in Alien, as a malfunctioning, disembodied robot head stammering, "I admire its purity," while covered in milky android goo. It was everything we hate about scripted mannequin candidates captured in a brief crack in the political façade.

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Trump's speeches are never scripted, never exactly the same twice. Instead he just riffs and feels his way through crowds. He's no orator – as anyone who's read his books knows, he's not really into words, especially long ones – but he has an undeniable talent for commanding a room.

Today, knowing the debate news is in the air, he makes sure to plunge a finger into Rubio's wound, mocking candidates who need scripts.

"Honestly, I don't have any teleprompters, I don't have a speech I'm reading to you," Trump says. Then he switches into a nasal, weenie-politician voice, and imitates someone reading tiny text from a crib sheet: "Ladies and gentlemen, it's so nice to be here in New Hampshire, please vote for me or I'll never speak to you again ... "

The crowd laughs. Trump also makes sure to point a finger at the omnipresent Giant Media Throng.

"See all those cameras back there?" he says. "They've never driven so far to a location."

The crowd turns to gape and sneer at the hated press contingent, which seems glad to be behind a rope. Earlier, Trump had bragged about how these same reporters had begrudgingly admitted that he'd won the St. Anselm debate. "They hate it, but they gave me very high grades."

It's simple transitive-property rhetoric, and it works. The press went gaga for Rubio after Iowa because – why? Because he's an unthreatening, blow-dried, cliché-spouting, dial-surveying phony of the type campaign journalists always approve of.

And when Rubio gets exposed in the debate as a talking haircut, a political Speak n' Spell, suddenly the throng of journalists who spent the past two weeks trying to sell America on "Marcomentum" and the all-important "establishment lane" looks very guilty indeed. Voters were supposed to take this seriously?

Trump knows the public sees through all of this, grasps the press's role in it and rightly hates us all. When so many Trump supporters point to his stomping of the carpetbagging snobs in the national media as the main reason they're going to vote for him, it should tell us in the press something profound about how much people think we suck.

Jay Matthews, a Plymouth native with a long beard and a Trump sign, cites Trump's press beat-downs as the first reason he's voting Donald.

"He's gonna be his own man," he says. "He's proving that now with how he's getting all the media. He's paying nothing and getting all the coverage. He's not paying one dime."

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Unions have been abused so much by both parties in the past decades that even mentioning themes union members care about instantly grabs the attention of workers. That's true even when it comes from Donald Trump, a man who kicked off the fourth GOP debate saying "wages [are] too high" and who had the guts to tell the Detroit News that Michigan autoworkers make too much money.

You will find union members scattered at almost all of Trump's speeches. And there have been rumors of unions nationally considering endorsing Trump. SEIU president Mary Kay Henry even admitted in January that Trump appeals to members because of the "terrible anxiety" they feel about jobs.

"I know guys, union guys, who talk about Trump," says Rand Wilson, an activist from the Labor for Bernie organization. "I try to tell them about Sanders, and they don't know who he is. Or they've just heard he's a socialist. Trump they've heard of."

This is part of a gigantic subplot to the Trump story, which is that many of his critiques of the process are the same ones being made by Bernie Sanders.

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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 12:44:54 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 25, 2016, 11:33:46 AM

Are we acting like Donald Trump hasn't won three straight primaries and a Bush didn't just embarrassingly drop out of the race? I think Ron Paul's popularity signaled the demise of the traditional GOP, empowered the Tea Party, and led to the viability of Cruz and Trump to take over the party. Am I way off here? I don't have much political memory of Newt's Contract on America, so maybe this is cyclical and I don't realize it.

Part of it's cyclical, in that the GOP seems to freak out when a Democrat is president.  Clinton was a moderate, southern, DLC good ol' boy, and they reacted by shutting down the government and then impeaching him after he was re-elected.

It feels like the GOP has lost control of its base somewhat, with the various Tea Party challengers, the problems getting a new Speaker, and various presidential candidacies/book tours getting more support than they ought to.  Years of being told their politicians are basically traitors will do that, as multiple attempts to pass an immigration compromise the base really doesn't want.  Still, the Tea Party primary challenges mostly died out, and all evidence is that Trump appeals just as much to GOP "moderates," so even that may be overblown.

Like I said earlier, I think the tone's a bit different at this moment (especially if you consider Trump as the current spokesperson) but the general content?  It's still about lower taxes, a government that doesn't interfere with business, a belligerent foreign policy, reduced or privatized social services, and the primacy of traditional white, Christian culture.  The coalition is mostly the same (though even more racially polarized now), the general cultural allegiances and resentments are mostly the same, and the thrust of the policies will be mostly the same.

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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 12:57:39 PM

Quote from: matt taibbi

why do the media hate trump?

http://iscap.upenn.edu/

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 12:58:38 PM

I think it's questionable to talk about a GOP base in the way we understood the Democratic one. There basically wasn't one after FDR, that's how the evangelicals swept in allied with the Reaganites, and once they lost power, you've been left with a kludge that tried to identify around "conservative" and has.

Only it means something different to all of them except maybe lower taxes and pro-America. And probably anti-abortion. And against the liberal anti-American monsters of the Democratic Party of course.

Even "tough" foreign policy means something different when it comes down to details.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 01:01:56 PM

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if Bill Clinton is complaining about the "vicious" attacks by the campaign of pathological nice guy Bernie Sanders, it's hard to imagine what will happen once they get hit by the Trumpdozer

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 12:57:39 PM

Quote from: matt taibbi

why do the media hate trump?

http://iscap.upenn.edu/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb7kVJyVIAIHLRw.png:large)

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Trump isn't the first rich guy to run for office. But he is the first to realize the weakness in the system, which is that the watchdogs in the political media can't resist a car wreck. The more he insults the press, the more they cover him: He's pulling 33 times as much coverage on the major networks as his next-closest GOP competitor, and twice as much as Hillary.

Trump found the flaw in the American Death Star. It doesn't know how to turn the cameras off, even when it's filming its own demise.

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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 01:07:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 12:58:38 PM

I think it's questionable to talk about a GOP base in the way we understood the Democratic one. There basically wasn't one after FDR, that's how the evangelicals swept in allied with the Reaganites, and once they lost power, you've been left with a kludge that tried to identify around "conservative" and has.

Only it means something different to all of them except maybe lower taxes and pro-America. And probably anti-abortion. And against the liberal anti-American monsters of the Democratic Party of course.

Even "tough" foreign policy means something different when it comes down to details.

Yeah, when you're competing for 50% of the vote in a bigass country you're gonna patch shit together.  Obv.

You really think the Republican base is more heterogeneous now than the Democratic one, or than major party coalitions traditionally?

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 01:32:56 PM

Demographically, yes.  :teehee

In terms of internal electoral politics there doesn't seem to be a dominant portion of the coalition in either party as their once was. Other than maybe that both parties have become split more along a false Establishment/anti-Establishment fault line. If you stripped his name off his bio, Jeb would look like a better "outsider" candidate, but he had to go third and with his last name attached so he wasn't able to pull the same con his brother was. Otherwise the last "outsiders" were Clinton, Dukakis, Reagan and Carter. But since 2006 we've seen Obama, Romney, Sanders, Trump/Cruz, all be strong or nominees with "outsider" attacks on The Washington Establishment.

Even the evangelicals have divided along similar lines. Pat Robertson was with Trump the other day. Dobson is with Cruz, Fallwell endorsed Trump, a good chunk were with Carson, etc.

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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 01:54:08 PM

At what points were the coalitions significantly more unified/homogeneous than they are now?

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Post by: studyguy on February 25, 2016, 02:06:35 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 10:37:33 AM

Is it new though? Obama mobilized young people online too. The difference is that his young people actually came out to vote in mass whereas Sanders has yet to display the revolution he talks about. That revolution happened in 2008 bros.

Sanders is just another Ron Paul who inspired fervent excitement among a group of people with a large presence online. I used to think libertarianism was the future of the GOP, just as various think pieces now claim Sanders' ideas are the future of the democrat party. But now it looks like the GOP is heading for the same neoconservative foreign policy, corporate welfare, and authoritarianism as usual. Paul's influence now looks like it was just to convince future Trump supporters to sign up for Facebook.

I think it is, I agree that it's another round of Ron Paul, but all the same the level of organization here looks like a far cry from the rabble that was making the round before. Maybe its just because it seems more centralized, I don't know but the dude clearly had way more momentum than Paul did even if it's still woefully inadequate.

All the same to me, dude was another internet pipe dream.

Quote from: Mupepe on February 25, 2016, 12:11:14 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 11:14:31 AM

In terms of targeting people susceptible to investment scams, Paul certainly seemed to pave the way for Trump and Carson.

PD's right though.  Obama winning twice with that coalition did more to move Hillary to the left than everything the Sanders campaign has done, and I don't expect the Sanders campaign to translate into a meaningful, sustained movement to shift the US to Scandinavian-style social democracy.

I do wonder if the free college thing will stick in some form.  With college seeming more and more of a requirement for a decent-paying career path, and involving more and more student debt, you'd expect young people to vote their interests, similar to old folks protecting SS and Medicare.

Regarding free college, I don't see anything happening without student loan debt also being forgiven.  There's too many people who have the attitude of "I paid for mine (most mean their parents paid) so others should too."  That's what I hear most from people in their mid and early 20's.

Expect another round of free bootstraps for all more than anything else.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 02:40:13 PM

The cyclical nature of this has gotten more extreme, sure. The Contract For America was not just a response to Clinton overreach, it was a response to do-nothing republican congressman who weren't principled (ie extreme) enough. But it didn't take long for those newcomers to basically become the status quo of DC. The Tea Party class of 2010 has remained pretty extremist but all it would take is a republican president for them to return to big government conservative spending. And then in 10 years or so a new batch of even more extremist activists will attack the tea party class for not being principled enough, and the circle continues.

But remember even in 2012 when the base was insane...the establishment still got their guy the nomination pretty easily. If Trump wasn't in the race I could buy the idea of Rubio becoming the nominee after a hard fight with Cruz.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 03:56:17 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 01:54:08 PM

At what points were the coalitions significantly more unified/homogeneous than they are now?

I'd say the Republican coalitions locked arms pretty tight for 2002-2004.

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Post by: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 04:18:04 PM

Granted, when you have unified control of the government with a president whose approval ratings are above 60%, there's not going to be much internal strife.  Also, yanno, 9/11.

But you're talking about the GOP not having a "base" in the way the Democrats do, and that there used to be dominant factions within the party.  How do you mean?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 04:36:39 PM

It's not surprising they held together at the time, even when Bush was unpopular. Unwavering support for your party's president during war time isn't surprising. Kinda funny that all the sniping being done by some on the far right now about Bush's presidency was nowhere be been heard in 2002-2006.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 04:45:29 PM

I meant the New Deal Coalition, it's how the parties have been analyzed ever since, but I don't think it necessarily was ever a good or meaningful model of political coalitions. The Republican coalition that formed in the 1990s endured for as long as it did in part because it basically split all the issues up and let the factions handle them on their own as the factions were issue-oriented. Democrats have many more factions that are demographically-oriented.

Democrats always produce signs: "Women for Hillary", "Workers for Edwards", "Hispanics for Obama", "One black guy for Bernie!" and so on that identify the internal grouping. The individual factions and groups are as important as the coalition, if not more so. Republicans seem more accepting of an amorphous blob labeled "conservative" or "American values" or some such.

In a way, it can seem as though the two bases are built in opposite manners. Democrats are still a coalition held together by political necessity, Republicans form coalitions almost out of reaction. Trump, Cruz, Tea Party, etc. coalitions are more about what they're against than who they are and what they're ultimately for.

Though I think the anti-abortion faction is the one left in the GOP you can't cross, and arguably the anti-abortion and pro-choice factions as a whole almost alone decide party for whites these days.

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Post by: Syph on February 25, 2016, 04:46:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 11:28:09 AM

This primary just doesn't stop.

(http://i.imgur.com/NoxWs7i.png)

Mitt's correct though. You gotta release those tax records. Wonder if there really is something Trump's hiding.

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 25, 2016, 11:33:46 AM

I think Ron Paul's popularity signaled the demise of the traditional GOP, empowered the Tea Party, and led to the viability of Cruz and Trump to take over the party.

:beli

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 04:50:06 PM

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These two want to be the guy who answers the 3 a.m. phone call.

Tonight is the 3 a.m. phone call.

Tonight’s debate is the last chance to give the Trump steamroller a flat tire. If Trump leaves Houston unscathed, if he moves on to the Super Tuesday states and wins all or most of them — then the race is over.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431893/cruz-rubio-trump-debate

 :doge

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Post by: Brehvolution on February 25, 2016, 04:51:36 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 25, 2016, 04:37:57 PM

Those people saying, "The Senate is totally fulfilling it's duty to advise and consent. It's advising the president that it will not consent! Herp derp!" are totally the worst.

The constitution says the president shall name a replacement not may name a replacement.

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 25, 2016, 05:01:46 PM

I've talked with a guy who's a poli soc (who works on turkey :snoop) who likes to divide the modern (since reagans first campaign) gop ideological base into the moral majority, laissez-faire bidnessmen, and hawks. All three coalesced under W, the argument goes, but since 2008 they've only ever managed to run someone who appeals to one of those bases. McCain and Mitt just wanted to bomb Iran and run america like Bane, respectively, and the evangelicals took their ball and ran home because the Hayek worshipping warmongerers just weren't crazy enough.

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Post by: Dennis on February 25, 2016, 05:02:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/i06UjIN.gif)

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on February 25, 2016, 05:05:09 PM

Actually, now that I say it out loud, he mightve just been talking about last year's Mad Max :ohhh

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 05:18:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 04:50:06 PM

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These two want to be the guy who answers the 3 a.m. phone call.

Tonight is the 3 a.m. phone call.

Tonight’s debate is the last chance to give the Trump steamroller a flat tire. If Trump leaves Houston unscathed, if he moves on to the Super Tuesday states and wins all or most of them — then the race is over.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431893/cruz-rubio-trump-debate

 :doge

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How should Cruz and Rubio go after Trump? They must depict Trump as a game-show host out of his depth. They must laugh at his kindergarten-level grasp of national-security policy. They should bait him into putting forth an opinion on Obamacare and then mock him for having held the opposite view that morning on Morning Joe. They should pound him on his four bankruptcies, ridicule his failed Trump University scam that stole tens of thousands of dollars from average Americans, call him on his support for Planned Parenthood, knock him for his bullying, vulgar self-righteousness, laugh at him for not knowing what the nuclear triad is, and guffaw at his inept attempt to revitalize Atlantic City. And when Trump loses his cool, they should do it again and again. And again. Cruz and Rubio must mock Trump until the audience views him as the deranged half-wit that he is.

Donald Trump must be shown to be a loser.

Politely pointing out that Donald Trump isn’t a conservative isn’t going to be enough. Trump has to be shown to be ridiculous.

And Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio (or both) has to be the one to do it.

If they don’t, then the Republican nomination process is over. And the two senators will have no one to blame but themselves.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/25/politics/rubio-republican-convention/index.html

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Marco Rubio's campaign is preparing for a contested Republican Convention as one option to take the GOP nomination away from Donald Trump and Ted Cruz, his campaign manager told top donors at a closed-door meeting in Manhattan Wednesday night.

As Rubio scrambles for support ahead of Super Tuesday, Terry Sullivan, Rubio's top adviser, used a Power Point presentation and took questions from attendees to lay out the two courses that Rubio's quest for the GOP nomination could take in the coming months, two people present told CNN, speaking anonymously to share details from a private meeting.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 25, 2016, 05:24:11 PM

if Kasich wins Ohio, Cruz Texas, isn't a brokered convention kinda plausible at that point?

I mean, that's a lotta ifs, and also supposing that Crubio stay competitive and continue to peel off delegates while still losing most states through the primary season. Can it work? It sounds kinda iffy, but as of now I don't see how else Donny realistically doesn't become the nominee.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 05:24:46 PM

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chacolatte • 4 hours ago
Trumpettes are as much in thrall to this poseur as Obamorons were to the Anointed One. It has nothing to do with facts or history or character, and everything to do with emotion. Trumpettes are absolutely immune to their master's despicable character, his lies, his immorality. They want change! Terrific change! Super change! Just as the Obamorons wanted. How did that work out.

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Charles M. Hagmaier  • 5 hours ago
If you Trump people aren't stupid, then you must be psychotic. Make your case. Either way, I'll be in a corner weeping for the nation, because you demented imbeciles are apparently the future.

The destructive, useless, worthless future. Who knew 28 Days Later was a political prophesy?

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rg • 5 hours ago
What the nth class calls conservatism is really just code for an
exclusive club of entrenched interests that long ago disconnected from
the everyday realities of what it actually is to be an American citizen.
Ayn Rand and the objectivists, the trickle-downers, the effete
academics with their social programming theories and economic theories
and global free-trade agendas is nothing if not paternalistic but as
such it is utterly devoid of the kind of concern for the real prosperity
and/or well-being of those it professes to be looking out for: average
American citizens who the elite conservatives haughtily refer to as
'white trash' or worse. The hypocrisy and mendacity is so obvious that
people can no longer consume the self-serving lies and intellectual
pretzel logic. When the aristos come to their senses and realize and
understand and accept that the majority of just everyday average
citizens - for all their lack of education and refinement - are
sincerely suffering while a vanishingly small cohort of wealthy
individuals continue to just get more and more wealthy and nothing is
trickling down ... it is trickling overseas.

gasp

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 05:30:24 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 25, 2016, 05:24:11 PM

if Kasich wins Ohio, Cruz Texas, isn't a brokered convention kinda plausible at that point?

I mean, that's a lotta ifs, and also supposing that Crubio stay competitive and continue to peel off delegates while still losing most states through the primary season. Can it work? It sounds kinda iffy, but as of now I don't see how else Donny realistically doesn't become the nominee.

Ohio is worth 66 delegates, you need 1237 to be the nominee. (Quinnipiac has Kasich trailing 31-26 to Trump in the only poll this year of Ohio.)

Cruz has to get 50% to make Texas WTA, otherwise they'll be allocated to anyone over 20%. RCP average is 34% Cruz, 27% Trump, 18% Rubio, 7% Kasich, 5% Carson.

Sam Wang thinks there needs to be only one non-Trump left in the race before March 14th (Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio all March 15th, only NC not WTA) or he wins by default.

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Post by: Syph on February 25, 2016, 05:35:45 PM

Melissa Click, Missouri professor filmed asking for 'muscle,' is fired (http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/25/media/melissa-click-fired-university-of-missouri/index.html)
woooo

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on February 25, 2016, 06:04:29 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 01:01:56 PM

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if Bill Clinton is complaining about the "vicious" attacks by the campaign of pathological nice guy Bernie Sanders, it's hard to imagine what will happen once they get hit by the Trumpdozer

Quote from: Mandark on February 25, 2016, 12:57:39 PM

Quote from: matt taibbi

why do the media hate trump?

http://iscap.upenn.edu/

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cb7kVJyVIAIHLRw.png:large)

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Trump isn't the first rich guy to run for office. But he is the first to realize the weakness in the system, which is that the watchdogs in the political media can't resist a car wreck. The more he insults the press, the more they cover him: He's pulling 33 times as much coverage on the major networks as his next-closest GOP competitor, and twice as much as Hillary.

Trump found the flaw in the American Death Star. It doesn't know how to turn the cameras off, even when it's filming its own demise.

One of the biggest X factors Trump had over his rivals was that his campaign is incredibly social media savvy and the guy he hired for his social media PR in 2013 turned out to be a genius at campaigning on social media.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/09/trumps-social-media-guy-214309

No one can stop talking about Trump because everyone talks about him all the time. They actually seized on the /pol/ memes like "Can't Stump The Trump" and engaged audiences they wouldn't normally hit. I mean, say all you want about the cross over between national socialists and japanese animation fanatics. Engagement is engagement. Voters are voters. Especially when they promote the spread of content and create narratives for you rapidly and for free. Traditional media is struggling with it and so is the GOP because their own fanaticism regarding "The Liberal Media" has meant Trumps campaign has completely seized the moment and portraying the entire media, including Fox News, against Trump and that he's a "No Bullshit" (sic) candidate who says what he wants. Even when it's against GOP tradition like "Planned Parenthood is a good idea". That fanatical Republican fanbase loves the idea of a candidate who goes against the "Establishment". It's in no way an endorsement but his campaign team is motivated, young and outright killing it with momentum and using new media to their advantage while the other Republican nominations have been lackluster at best. 

Now Trump be wrecked if he gets the nomination because that's when the knives really come out from the media big boys and Murdoch allegedly really dislikes him (Even the Billionaires in NYC don't mix with the filthy Millionaires) so he's not going to get the protection and soft touch they gave Romney last time even though it was apparently Romney wasn't "The guy". And that manchild voting block would probably be waiting for the delivery of their next Figma to go out voting so we can discount that too. 

The spectacle and fuckery would be entertaining watching GOP establishment try pitch Hillary as a "sensible alternative" versus a /pol/ meme president though :lawd

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Post by: curly on February 25, 2016, 06:10:31 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 10:37:33 AM

Is it new though? Obama mobilized young people online too. The difference is that his young people actually came out to vote in mass whereas Sanders has yet to display the revolution he talks about. That revolution happened in 2008 bros.

Sanders is just another Ron Paul who inspired fervent excitement among a group of people with a large presence online. I used to think libertarianism was the future of the GOP, just as various think pieces now claim Sanders' ideas are the future of the democrat party. But now it looks like the GOP is heading for the same neoconservative foreign policy, corporate welfare, and authoritarianism as usual. Paul's influence now looks like it was just to convince future Trump supporters to sign up for Facebook.

The youth vote is turning out at Obama levels tho

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/opinion/young-voters-motivated-again.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/opinion/young-voters-motivated-again.html)

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In one of the more pleasant surprises of this presidential campaign, young Americans are voting in big numbers, contributing to some unexpected results so far.

This is the first presidential campaign in which people age 18 to 29 make up the same proportion of the electorate as do baby boomers — about one-third. This year, the youth turnout for both parties in the primaries so far is rivaling 2008, the year of Barack Obama’s first campaign. On Saturday, young voters turned out in far greater numbers in the South Carolina Republican primary than they did in 2008 or 2012 in that state, according to a study by Tufts University’s Circle center. Donald Trump won the primary, with 32.5 percent of the vote, but young voters were the only group he didn’t carry. Marco Rubio came in second with 22.5 percent, closely followed by Ted Cruz, with 22.3 percent. Both Mr. Cruz and Mr. Trump drew bigger share of the youth vote than Mr. Rubio.

The youth vote’s biggest beneficiary by far is Bernie Sanders, who filled venues in Las Vegas with cheering young admirers last week, after winning more than 80 percent of this group in both Iowa and New Hampshire. On Saturday young people made up 18 percent of voters in Nevada’s Democratic caucus, five percentage points more than in 2008. Mr. Sanders again drew more than eight in 10 of these voters. Mrs. Clinton won Nevada with 52.7 percent, besting Mr. Sanders by 5.5 percentage points. But young people were largely responsible for closing what just a month ago had been a more than 20-point lead for her.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 06:13:12 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 25, 2016, 05:24:11 PM

if Kasich wins Ohio, Cruz Texas, isn't a brokered convention kinda plausible at that point?

I mean, that's a lotta ifs, and also supposing that Crubio stay competitive and continue to peel off delegates while still losing most states through the primary season. Can it work? It sounds kinda iffy, but as of now I don't see how else Donny realistically doesn't become the nominee.

NYT said this morning that some Republicans leaders are hoping for a brokered convention that nominates Paul Ryan, lol.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 06:17:53 PM

bearded or clean shaven?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 06:20:57 PM

Clean shaven, of course. Ryan's not half the man that Taft was.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 25, 2016, 06:24:10 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 06:20:57 PM

Clean shaven, of course. Ryan's not half the man that Taft was.

that is a fat joke, right?

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 25, 2016, 06:25:14 PM

Since this election cycle is so rabidly anti-incumbent, bog standard political analysis goes out the window.  Even superautist Nate Silver got things wrong when he said that Trump would be over by the fall.  Trying to analyze politics in 2016 through the same lenses as 2008 and 2012 is going to make you wrong every time.

Meanwhile...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LqLfvQfuvsA

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 06:27:45 PM

Bernie would have just had her shot.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The joke is a black person wouldn't be allowed at a Bernie rally in the first place.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 06:40:53 PM

I'm making black eyed peas tonight. The debate is gonna be entertaining and tasty
:lawd

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Post by: El Babua on February 25, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

Hopefully Rubio's just as entertaining jobbing to Trump as Jeb was.

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Post by: Dennis on February 25, 2016, 08:11:36 PM

Considering how Chris Christie rekt Rubio I am expecting Trump to go hard.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 08:19:36 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/depraved-candidate-struggling-support-100000-day-a-52421

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 08:49:18 PM

Am I tripping or does Marco's mouth movements seem like he has some type of partial, like a bridge?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 09:46:24 PM

My god, Carson has no idea how healthcare policy works.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 10:38:52 PM

How shitty is the debate so far? I just tuned into to Rubio getting applause from saying that Apple wasn't better than America.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on February 25, 2016, 10:43:27 PM

I watched for 10 minutes. Its a mess.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 10:48:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 10:38:52 PM

How shitty is the debate so far? I just tuned into to Rubio getting applause from saying that Apple wasn't better than America.

I think the question should be...at what? "Overthrowing governments"?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2016, 10:50:17 PM

Ben Carson: "These gifted hands were in a movie!"

Ben stahp :dead

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Post by: tiesto on February 25, 2016, 10:50:17 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 06:40:53 PM

I'm making black eyed peas tonight. The debate is gonna be entertaining and tasty
:lawd

I had a bottle of this on hand:

(http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/homebrewassoc/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/05213211/24-Carrot-Golden-Ale-Stone.jpg)

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 25, 2016, 10:59:58 PM

God dang.

I still think Trump is a bit of an idiot, but holy hell, is he ever good at exploiting his enemies weaknesses.

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Post by: Vizzys on February 25, 2016, 11:05:23 PM

"healthcare is not a right"
"somebody please attack me"
"these hands were a movie"

actual Ben Carson quotes

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Post by: Syph on February 25, 2016, 11:24:05 PM

Rubio baby

spoiler (click to show/hide)

please just win a state

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 11:28:12 PM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/02/trump-leads-rubio-even-head-to-head-in-florida.html

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PPP's newest Florida Republican poll (conducted Wednesday and Thursday before the debate) finds Donald Trump dominant in the state. He's getting 45% to 25% for Marco Rubio, 10% for Ted Cruz, 8% for John Kasich, and 5% for Ben Carson.

The most remarkable thing in this poll though is what happens when you narrow the field down to just Trump and Rubio- Trump still leads by double digits at 52/38. Rubio does win over supporters of Cruz (56/25), Kasich (47/32), and Carson (64/21) in such a scenario. But Trump has such a big lead to begin with and picks up enough of the supporters of the also rans that it gives him the overall 14 point advantage.

Rubio's trouble doesn't end there. His approval rating as Senator has cratered to a 31/55 spread, compared to a much more evenly divided 41/44 when we last polled the state in September. Only 40% of voters in the state think he should continue with his campaign, compared to a 44% plurality who think it's time for him to drop out. And he narrowly trails both Hillary Clinton (45/43) and Bernie Sanders (44/42) in head to head general election match ups. Rubio's become quite unpopular at home over the course of his campaign.

Winning has made Trump more popular. 64% of Republicans in Florida now have a favorable opinion of him to only 27% with a negative one. That actually puts him ahead of Rubio's 60/28 standing. The most broadly popular Republican for what little it's worth is Carson at 65/18. Kasich's at 53/22, and for the second state in a row we find Cruz under water at 39/48. We found that he had slipped into negative territory on our final South Carolina poll as well.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 25, 2016, 11:46:45 PM

Donald Trump said he'd be neutral during a negotiation of a peace agreement between Israel and Palestine.

Rubio finally hit back on Trump but he kept spilling all of these canned insults all at once.  He even has watches up for sale now: https://store.marcorubio.com/product/trump-watch/

Rather than wait a little bit to make it seem like an organic comment, he sells the watch already.  Not too smart for someone trying to not be known as a robot.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 25, 2016, 11:49:14 PM

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NOTE: You won’t actually get a broken Trump watch, but your $10 donation will help Marco stop him.

fuck off slaver

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Post by: thisismyusername on February 26, 2016, 12:21:45 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 08:49:18 PM

Am I tripping or does Marco's mouth movements seem like he has some type of partial, like a bridge?

You can take the boy out of dental assisting, but you can't take the dental assisting out of the boy. :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 12:31:28 AM

Jeb! should use that $2 million left over PAC money to buy a bunch of Trump watches and break them for Marco. :lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 02:30:56 AM

Rubio ethered Trump multiple times lol. But will it matter? Probably not. Cruz also bested Trump a few times.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 02:32:34 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/25/rubio_vs_trump_round_one_.html

 :lol

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 07:29:46 AM

Two MI polls for GOP from local poll firms:
Trump 41, Rubio 19, Cruz 16, Kasich 11, Carson 7
Trump 41, Rubio 17, Cruz 14, Kasich 12, Carson 8

Threshold for delegates is 15%. If one gets 50%, they get all the delegates.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 07:33:30 AM

GOPers don't seem to blame Snyder or Obama too much...

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Over the last 30 days there has been intense news coverage about the City of Flint Water Crisis. Based
on what you have read, seen or heard – where should most of the blame lie.
37% City Government
16% County Government
14% State Government
09% Emergency Manager
06% Governor
04% Federal Government
14% Undecided/U

Other poll asked:

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. Do you strongly agree, somewhat agree, somewhat disagree or strongly disagree
with the following statement: “I’m mad as hell and I won’t take it anymore!” If you …

Strongly agree  50%
Somewhat agree 34
84%

Somewhat disagree  11
Strongly disagree 6
17%

:lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 07:38:56 AM

That Flint question was aimed at republicans right? Would be depressing if it was a poll of the entire state and had responses like that. But TBH it's depressing regardless. What the hell do city officials have to do with something a governor appointed city manager decreed?

This isn't really a blue state. A couple huge counties make it blue, that's about it.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 07:55:52 AM

It was for only people who said they were voting in the GOP primary, which was like 81-11-7 R-I-D.

I assume they also asked it in their D poll, but it's not out yet.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 08:02:52 AM

Also, first official 2018 candidate: http://www.hines4michigan.com/

An OB-GYN like Dr. Ron Paul. :doge

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He enjoys time with family, especially his 10 grandkids, hunting, riding his Harley, running, and martial arts.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 09:43:25 AM

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/702636924813643777

https://twitter.com/berniethoughts/status/702514899449221120

https://twitter.com/berniethoughts/status/699010967456374784

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Post by: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

The one downside of Trump winning is that we are denied seeing a "true conservative" get their ass handed to them in the general.  I get so tired of the conservatives always hiding behind the mantra of "not our guy" every election cycle when a Republican fails to win the election or becomes a bad president.

One year it has to happen, where the party finally caves and nominates a tool like Ted Cruz and then that dude gets 40% of the popular vote in November.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2016, 11:12:05 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/LYhBBnZ.png)

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Post by: Dennis on February 26, 2016, 11:29:31 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/leDhQWi.gif)

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 26, 2016, 01:25:57 PM

Chris Christie has just endorsed Don Trump.

he must really hate Rubio.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 01:38:36 PM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on February 26, 2016, 11:26:36 AM

link to rubio ethering trump plz

(http://i.imgur.com/o3Exb.gif)

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 01:40:18 PM

Quote from: tiesto on February 25, 2016, 10:50:17 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 25, 2016, 06:40:53 PM

I'm making black eyed peas tonight. The debate is gonna be entertaining and tasty
:lawd

I had a bottle of this on hand:

(http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/homebrewassoc/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/05213211/24-Carrot-Golden-Ale-Stone.jpg)

That sounds like the worst fucking beer of all time, and I have sampled Pumpkin ales. Fuck is wrong with you people?

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Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 01:57:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

The one downside of Trump winning is that we are denied seeing a "true conservative" get their ass handed to them in the general.  I get so tired of the conservatives always hiding behind the mantra of "not our guy" every election cycle when a Republican fails to win the election or becomes a bad president.

One year it has to happen, where the party finally caves and nominates a tool like Ted Cruz and then that dude gets 40% of the popular vote in November.

Isn't it far more damning that this imaginary "true conservative" is being disallowed by the Republican voting base though ? All those years of sucking to the religious bigots lobby only for their greatest sensation in years to be a dude with pretty inconsistent views on abortions / Planned Parenthood or Obamacare. Turns out surfing on massive xenophobia was enough.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 01:57:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

The one downside of Trump winning is that we are denied seeing a "true conservative" get their ass handed to them in the general.  I get so tired of the conservatives always hiding behind the mantra of "not our guy" every election cycle when a Republican fails to win the election or becomes a bad president.

One year it has to happen, where the party finally caves and nominates a tool like Ted Cruz and then that dude gets 40% of the popular vote in November.

Isn't it far more damning that this imaginary "true conservative" is being disallowed by the Republican voting base though ? All those years of sucking to the religious bigots lobby only for their greatest sensation in years to be a dude with pretty inconsistent views on abortions / Planned Parenthood or Obamacare. Turns out surfing on massive xenophobia was enough.

I love how outside of Obama conservatives generally have taken their L's with class but on here you'd think we were the ones demanding and crying for a recount after an election...LOL Kerry. However I'm sure that one was "totally justified" because of (insert liberal circular argument here).

As much as I hate it, Trump is going to kick your asses. The old man and the Bitch ain't got a chance. Way to fail us, assholes. 

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 02:03:30 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2016, 01:17:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 07:38:56 AM

That Flint question was aimed at republicans right? Would be depressing if it was a poll of the entire state and had responses like that. But TBH it's depressing regardless. What the hell do city officials have to do with something a governor appointed city manager decreed?

This isn't really a blue state. A couple huge counties make it blue, that's about it.

You know anything about the political situation in Grand Rapids? My dad's whole family is from there, so I've always wondered.

Justin Amash is their congressman which pretty much explains it.

I like Amash in the sense that he's principled and leans towards anti-interventionism like Paul but he's insane on everything else.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 02:09:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 02:03:30 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2016, 01:17:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 07:38:56 AM

That Flint question was aimed at republicans right? Would be depressing if it was a poll of the entire state and had responses like that. But TBH it's depressing regardless. What the hell do city officials have to do with something a governor appointed city manager decreed?

This isn't really a blue state. A couple huge counties make it blue, that's about it.

You know anything about the political situation in Grand Rapids? My dad's whole family is from there, so I've always wondered.

Justin Amash is their congressman which pretty much explains it.

I like Amash in the sense that he's principled and leans towards anti-interventionism like Paul but he's insane on everything else.

I use to think East LA was dangerous until I drove to Flint once.

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Post by: Boogie on February 26, 2016, 02:18:32 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 01:57:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

The one downside of Trump winning is that we are denied seeing a "true conservative" get their ass handed to them in the general.  I get so tired of the conservatives always hiding behind the mantra of "not our guy" every election cycle when a Republican fails to win the election or becomes a bad president.

One year it has to happen, where the party finally caves and nominates a tool like Ted Cruz and then that dude gets 40% of the popular vote in November.

Isn't it far more damning that this imaginary "true conservative" is being disallowed by the Republican voting base though ? All those years of sucking to the religious bigots lobby only for their greatest sensation in years to be a dude with pretty inconsistent views on abortions / Planned Parenthood or Obamacare. Turns out surfing on massive xenophobia was enough.

I love how outside of Obama conservatives generally have taken their L's with class but on here you'd think we were the ones demanding and crying for a recount after an election...LOL Kerry. However I'm sure that one was "totally justified" because of (insert liberal circular argument here).

As much as I hate it, Trump is going to kick your asses. The old man and the Bitch ain't got a chance. Way to fail us, assholes.

Ah yes.  ToxicAdam, famed Bore liberal.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 02:18:41 PM

Flint is the only place I've been where I felt anything could happen. Grew up in Detroit, I've been there at times and in places I shouldn't have been...but I always felt I at least knew what to expect and look out for. Been to bad parts of Chicago. But Flint might as well be Baghdad.

Walrus you should go to Flint. Lots of white people there get a pass to say the n word. Like, white kids and adults who grew up in various projects with black people, saying "what's up my nicca" etc...shit kinda made me take pause.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 02:22:35 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 02:18:41 PM

Flint is the only place I've been where I felt anything could happen. Grew up in Detroit, I've been there at times and in places I shouldn't have been...but I always felt I at least knew what to expect and look out for. Been to bad parts of Chicago. But Flint might as well be Baghdad.

Walrus you should go to Flint. Lots of white people there get a pass to say the n word. Like, white kids and adults who grew up in various projects with black people, saying "what's up my nicca" etc...shit kinda made me take pause.

You watch Dope yet on Netflix? There is a whole scene about when white people can drop an N bomb. Shit is hilarious. (answer: Never)


And yeah I mean there are parts of old school Oakland, South Side Chicago, and East Side of Cleveland that are on the level of Flint. But those are major cities versus a smaller city dedicated to a failed auto industry.


Edit: http://my.xfinity.com/slideshow/news-mostdangerouscitiesinamerica/11/

Goddamn

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Post by: Syph on February 26, 2016, 02:35:11 PM

FUCK

Chris Christie endorses Donald Trump (http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/26/politics/chris-christie-endorses-donald-trump/index.html)

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Post by: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 02:35:56 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 01:57:51 PM

Isn't it far more damning that this imaginary "true conservative" is being disallowed by the Republican voting base though ?

But that's been the case for much of the 20th century (as the Republicans have come to rely more and more on the South). The hard right has always been the vocal minority in the party and the more mainstream, ivy league Republican wins the nom. They like to latch onto Reagan as an example of a 'true conservative', but anyone that actually knows history knows that's a lie. He was only more conservative than Gerald Ford.  Instead, the "real conservatives" have been a hodge-podge of charlatans (Buchanan, Roberts) and kooks (Santorum, Bachmann) that have passed their ridiculous litmus test.

Maybe it's a form of collective self-sabotage. By always backing a candidate unlikely to win the nomination, they never actually have to take culpability for their beliefs. They can just cherry-pick what form of change they are against (but never actually form solutions) and maintain power and support that way ... but not *too much* power and support.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 02:37:31 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 02:35:56 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 01:57:51 PM

Isn't it far more damning that this imaginary "true conservative" is being disallowed by the Republican voting base though ?

But that's been the case for much of the 20th century (as the Republicans have come to rely more and more on the South). The hard right has always been the vocal minority in the party and the more mainstream, ivy league Republican wins the nom. They like to latch onto Reagan as an example of a 'true conservative', but anyone that actually knows history knows that's a lie. He was only more conservative than Gerald Ford.  Instead, its been a hodge-podge of charlatans (Buchanan, Roberts) and kooks (Santorum, Bachmann) that have passed their ridiculous litmus test.

Maybe it's a form of collective self-sabotage. By always backing a candidate unlikely to win the nomination, they never actually have to take culpability for their beliefs. They can just cherry-pick what form of change they are against (but never actually form solutions) and maintain power and support that way ... but not *too much* power and support.

agreed, Reagan was only a conservative because it's was the better party ticket. Very similar to JFK who would definitely have ran as a conservative if he were running today.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 26, 2016, 02:59:09 PM

JF splinter the CIA into a thousand pieces K?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 26, 2016, 03:03:38 PM

Wasn't that only after he let them talk him into the bay of pigs?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on February 26, 2016, 03:09:21 PM

Well, yeah. Probably could have gone with a better example.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on February 26, 2016, 03:39:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 01:57:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

The one downside of Trump winning is that we are denied seeing a "true conservative" get their ass handed to them in the general.  I get so tired of the conservatives always hiding behind the mantra of "not our guy" every election cycle when a Republican fails to win the election or becomes a bad president.

One year it has to happen, where the party finally caves and nominates a tool like Ted Cruz and then that dude gets 40% of the popular vote in November.

Isn't it far more damning that this imaginary "true conservative" is being disallowed by the Republican voting base though ? All those years of sucking to the religious bigots lobby only for their greatest sensation in years to be a dude with pretty inconsistent views on abortions / Planned Parenthood or Obamacare. Turns out surfing on massive xenophobia was enough.

I love how outside of Obama conservatives generally have taken their L's with class but on here you'd think we were the ones demanding and crying for a recount after an election...LOL Kerry. However I'm sure that one was "totally justified" because of (insert liberal circular argument here).

As much as I hate it, Trump is going to kick your asses. The old man and the Bitch ain't got a chance. Way to fail us, assholes.

Let's all not let this go unnoticed. 

And he won't beat Clinton.

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Post by: Syph on February 26, 2016, 04:37:12 PM

I'm still pulling for Rubio but fuck me that Christie endorsement is a bombshell
I'm still reeling lol

classic trump conference though
throwing the water bottle lol goddamn voters are stupid but you gotta hand it to him he knows how to play the game

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 26, 2016, 04:54:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1JAZwOSA1s

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Post by: Samson Manhug on February 26, 2016, 04:56:01 PM

I'm trying to imagine actual political strategy going on and not Christie just waking up one morning and going, "Damn, I hate Rubio and Cruz. Fuck it, let's watch the world burn," but I'm having a hard time.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 04:59:07 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 26, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 01:57:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on February 26, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

The one downside of Trump winning is that we are denied seeing a "true conservative" get their ass handed to them in the general.  I get so tired of the conservatives always hiding behind the mantra of "not our guy" every election cycle when a Republican fails to win the election or becomes a bad president.

One year it has to happen, where the party finally caves and nominates a tool like Ted Cruz and then that dude gets 40% of the popular vote in November.

Isn't it far more damning that this imaginary "true conservative" is being disallowed by the Republican voting base though ? All those years of sucking to the religious bigots lobby only for their greatest sensation in years to be a dude with pretty inconsistent views on abortions / Planned Parenthood or Obamacare. Turns out surfing on massive xenophobia was enough.

I love how outside of Obama conservatives generally have taken their L's with class but on here you'd think we were the ones demanding and crying for a recount after an election...LOL Kerry. However I'm sure that one was "totally justified" because of (insert liberal circular argument here).

As much as I hate it, Trump is going to kick your asses. The old man and the Bitch ain't got a chance. Way to fail us, assholes.

:drudge

(http://i.imgur.com/QQN9y8a.gif)

let me see

-ACORN
-Black Panthers harassing white voters
-"he only won because he's black"
-"the media won the election for him"
-THIS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TwuR0jCavk
-Shutting down the government out of spite
-Refusing to consider an Obama Supreme Court justice

we're gonna pretend like none of that happened. Hell, Trump's ascent is the ultimate example of republicans not taking their L well. Your party is about to commit suicide on the world stage because the country dared elect a black man.
(http://i.imgur.com/xZQ0CVn.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 26, 2016, 05:21:12 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on February 26, 2016, 04:56:01 PM

I'm trying to imagine actual political strategy going on and not Christie just waking up one morning and going, "Damn, I hate Rubio and Cruz. Fuck it, let's watch the world burn," but I'm having a hard time.

President Trump nominating Chris Christie for Scalia's spot on the SCOTUS. :lawd

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Post by: brawndolicious on February 26, 2016, 05:23:34 PM

I think he's saying that they took the Obama election particularly not well but were graceful before with Clinton (who they impeached) and..then if you go far back enough you'll only get Carter. How old is AiA?

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Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2016, 06:17:36 PM

Reagan wasn't a conservative?  Conservatives have taken their Obama-era L's gracefully?

This page is nuts.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on February 26, 2016, 07:41:35 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 26, 2016, 06:17:36 PM

Reagan wasn't a conservative?  Conservatives have taken their Obama-era L's gracefully?

This page is nuts.

These messages come to us from a world in which Paul Ryan is a very smart, serious man that has written several balanced budgets.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2016, 08:24:50 PM

Quote

"He called me Mr. Meltdown. Let me tell you something, last night during two of the debates, he went backstage, he was having a meltdown," Rubio said in Dallas.

"First, he had this little makeup thing applying makeup around his mustache because he had one of those sweat mustaches. Then, he he asked for a full length mirror … maybe to make sure his pants weren’t wet."

The line came as Rubio took out his cellphone and began to read Trump's tweets from stage. Noting that some had misspellings, he cracked that the billionaire businessman "must have hired a foreign worker to do his own tweets."

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Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 08:30:08 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2016, 03:32:13 PM

It's not just xenophobia and racism. The people who think Trump only gets the racist vote are the same people shocked at every Trump victory.

Reducing his voters motives to racism is of course simplistic. Yet the fact is that ILL BAN MUSLIMS AND FLY MILLIONS OF LATINOS BACK OVER THE RIO GRANDE is obviously not bothering them either.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 08:42:01 PM

The big question tho : Who will be his running mate ?

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Post by: brawndolicious on February 26, 2016, 09:08:28 PM

Chris Christie? Makes sense that he's positioning himself to be a VP pick so that he can glom away enough Trumptention to have a decent shot at being the nominee in 2020.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 09:10:59 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-stump-for-trump-girls-just-said-that-marco-rubio-had-a-gay-lifestyle-in-the-past/

this election  :lol

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 26, 2016, 10:21:40 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on February 16, 2016, 07:58:59 AM

2016 is probably the most interesting election I've followed (I've been paying attention since 2000).

Vindication :rejoice

This election is nuts and we're only getting started here.

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Post by: Mandark on February 26, 2016, 11:17:45 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on February 26, 2016, 08:30:08 PM

Reducing his voters motives to racism is of course simplistic. Yet the fact is that ILL BAN MUSLIMS AND FLY MILLIONS OF LATINOS BACK OVER THE RIO GRANDE is obviously not bothering them either.

Also not convinced by "It has to be something greater cause look how widespread and durable his support is!"  Well yeah, we're a racist fuckin' country, man.

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Post by: tiesto on February 26, 2016, 11:58:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 09:10:59 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-stump-for-trump-girls-just-said-that-marco-rubio-had-a-gay-lifestyle-in-the-past/

this election  :lol

I've heard the ol "Rubio was a rentboy" conspiracy theory before from a few people...

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Post by: Dennis on February 27, 2016, 12:03:49 AM

Rubio is a sweaty guy. I wish we had a reaction of him hearing the Christie news.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 27, 2016, 12:05:21 AM

The GOP ate this shit up when it was flung ad Obama, pretty funny to see them do it to themselves. 

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 27, 2016, 12:11:03 AM

I also like how this interview goes

Start: Welcome to these kooky fun women
Middle: Fuck they really are kooks
End:  Thank God

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 27, 2016, 12:18:02 AM

speaking of flinging shit, look for Trump to get hit waaaaaaaaaay harder by the dems should he win the nomination. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-research_us_56cf2c6de4b03260bf75b395)

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But it is treated as a truism among Republicans that a vast reservoir of damaging opposition research remains untouched. It's a suspicion that Democrats aren't challenging. Indeed, one Democratic opposition research said that they’ve spent the past eight months compiling material on Trump as he’s risen up the ranks. That's actually not a lot of time. Democrats had started focusing on Mitt Romney in 2009 -- a full two years before he ran again for the presidency. But those eight months have produced some good.That researcher estimated that of all the material they’ve compiled -- court and property records, newspaper clips and videos -- approximately 80 percent of it has yet to surface in this election cycle.

also, its crazy as hell that none of the GOP candidates seem to have thrown resources at ole' Donny (not till now at least). I can excuse a couple months of wishful thinking that he'd just go away, but he's been a front runner since what, late summer, fall? I mean, how do a dozen political staffs decide not to even engage with the guy who's eating their lunch?

Quote

"Not taking Trump seriously as a candidate a year ago was a mistake we all made, so I don't blame his Republican opponents for that. But the lack of evidence that they have been doing thorough research on Trump more recently is malpractice," said Daly. "f a Republican had committed six recent college grads to power through a Nexis dump in November and December, by January they'd have been able to compile a powerful narrative amplified by names and quotes that they could have put in ads by now."

unbelievable.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 12:35:00 AM

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Donald Trump said on Friday he plans to change libel laws in the United States so that he can have an easier time suing news organizations.

During a rally in Fort Worth, Texas, Trump began his usual tirade against newspapers such as The New York Times and The Washington Post, saying they're "losing money" and are "dishonest." The Republican presidential candidate then took a different turn, suggesting that when he's president they'll "have problems."

"One of the things I'm going to do if I win, and I hope we do and we're certainly leading. I'm going to open up our libel laws so when they write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money. We're going to open up those libel laws. So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected," Trump said.

"You see, with me, they're not protected, because I'm not like other people but I'm not taking money. I'm not taking their money," Trump said on Friday. "We're going to open up libel laws, and we're going to have people sue you like you've never got sued before."

:american

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Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 06:07:19 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 02:18:41 PM

Flint is the only place I've been where I felt anything could happen. Grew up in Detroit, I've been there at times and in places I shouldn't have been...but I always felt I at least knew what to expect and look out for. Been to bad parts of Chicago. But Flint might as well be Baghdad.

Walrus you should go to Flint. Lots of white people there get a pass to say the n word. Like, white kids and adults who grew up in various projects with black people, saying "what's up my nicca" etc...shit kinda made me take pause.

I'm not sure they get a pass so much as it's the white people who are all the horrible thug stereotypes in Flint so black people just kinda keep quiet. It's like not even some weird racial thing but more who got wrecked hardest by the factories. Flint was arguably the most progressive Michigan city race-wise, blacks were treated pretty near equals in the factories, until The Crisis on Infinite Flints started. A city of "wiggers" now, as an Aussie put it.

Flint suffered Black Flight of all things. Though apparently they're coming back, up from Detroit. A good amount of Flint's population is "early retirement" GM workers, so there's room for 30 year old black dudes to pick up work more than parts of Detroit.

People are always surprised that Flint's only 55% black now, was like 50% in 2000. Saginaw's like 45%/45%. It makes things real weird. All the other big cities are like Lansing/Grand Rapids/etc. where it's like 65/30 white or Detroit where it's 85/10 black.

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2016, 01:17:45 PM

You know anything about the political situation in Grand Rapids? My dad's whole family is from there, so I've always wondered.

PD already mentioned Amash. But he's not a perfect example since GR is effectively split between two super Republican districts, including the only one McCain won 51% in. Amash has more of GR proper but it's watered down by everything else. That said, Amash outperforms in the city because he's more libertarian. (Pro life, but only on government funding really...was against DOMA, will support SC ruling on marriage, lenient on drugs, against NSA, etc.)

GR proper, the main downtown, is standard urban and Democratic, it's also increasingly Arab American. (Which Amash is.) Everything around it becomes greater and greater Republican as you circle out through a large Mitt Romney zone until you hit basically Santorum Country.

All the Republicans seemed to come out of the GR side of the state and Oakland County on the East, and the two sides warred forever for control of the party. The GR wing being a more Romney type that is socially conservative but would rather ignore it if possible to do business/economic stuff, and the other wing of the state-party which is like FUCK EVERYTHING, WE HAVE TO STOP GAYS AND ABORTIONS IMMEDIATELY AND DO NOTHING ELSE WHATSOEVER, NOT EVEN CUT TAXES. Dick DeVos got caught between being personally in the former, and his wife having spent years in the latter camp and being its biggest proponent.

Thing I like most about Amash is his using Facebook to explain all his votes. And he puts in strong constituent services.

He was also called "Al Qaeda's best friend in Congress."

Rick Snyder is from the East side, but not really part of the political scene there. John Engler was from the center of the state. Milliken was from Traverse City. Honestly they're all more Ford-lineage Republicans and I don't mind them being the GOPers that win election to things.

The state Democratic Party is actually pretty shitty. Especially now that Levin's done. And they forever have to live with the fact that they actually ran Geoffrey Fieger. Ford Republicans are sorta the least bad option often. It sucks when the GOP takes a dive running Santorum types against garbage like Stabenow. It's one reason Snyder did so well in 2010 is that he wasn't from either of the shitty parties really so he got lots of crossover.

But not only am I rambling off the cuff but PD might disagree with detail.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2016, 09:57:42 AM

Quote

he U.S. economy got a double dose of good news Friday. Economic growth in the final three months of 2015 didn't slow as much as previously estimated, and consumers roared back to life in January, spending at the fastest clip in eight months.

The Commerce Department said that consumer spending increased 0.5 percent last month, the best showing since May and far higher than the tiny 0.1 percent gain in December. Economists are expecting stronger consumer spending, which accounts for two-thirds of economic activity, to lift overall economic growth in the new year after a fourth-quarter slowdown.

In a separate report, the government said the gross domestic product, the broadest measure of economic health, grew at an annual rate of 1 percent in the fourth quarter. That's an improvement from the first estimate of 0.7 percent, though just half the 2 percent growth posted in the third quarter.

Speaker Ryan doin' work

too bad he shaved the beard, that probably means a recession

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 27, 2016, 10:19:10 AM

Quote from: tiesto on February 26, 2016, 11:58:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 26, 2016, 09:10:59 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/the-stump-for-trump-girls-just-said-that-marco-rubio-had-a-gay-lifestyle-in-the-past/

this election  :lol

I've heard the ol "Rubio was a rentboy" conspiracy theory before from a few people...

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/marco-rubio-past-gay-clubs-parties-arrest/

That photographic evidence seems pretty indisputable. :doge

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Post by: Atramental on February 27, 2016, 01:09:52 PM

Voted *pats self on back*  :doge

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Post by: Purrp Skirrp on February 27, 2016, 06:34:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/5u9zA5L.jpg)

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 27, 2016, 08:14:13 PM

LOL, with 36% reporting, Clinton has 75% of the vote and Sanders has 24%.  Even though Sanders had no shot winning, this is an even bigger loss than anticipated...by a lot.

Bernie is finished.  Will be interested to see if Sanders keeps his zombie campaign lurching along or if he just backs out.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2016, 08:24:43 PM

Apparently his rallies haven't been selling out lately either. Benji since you are the resident Pauline expert...were Paul rallies abandoned once it started looking like he was fucked?

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Post by: octopushover on February 27, 2016, 09:30:13 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/47zi8e/i_was_maced_by_police_in_ferguson_to_protect/

 :leon

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Black lives dont matter. And this is coming from a WOC.
Sorry yall but i got to be real for a minute. I quit my job in the middle of the ferguson shit to be part of a movement. To protect black people from institutional racism.
The past year has been incredible. We have received so much support from so many organizations. Anyway 2 months ago i joined the sanders campaign and it was fantastic. I was so hopeful that we would get all this dirty white money out of politics. That black people would turn out and vote for bernie like they did for obama.
And what the fuck happens?
These nappy headed morons turn out for basically the wicket witch of the west.
I Have not slept for the past 2 days yall. I am exhausted beyond comprehenshin. I never went to college. Nobody in my family went to college. I was hoping to be the first because bernie was going to make it free.
I dont want to go back to work. I wanted to make something of myself but now I cant.
Not because of racism.
Not because of dirty white money in politics.
But because black people are so hopeless and stupid as a hole that they cant even vote in their own interest.
I quit the sanders campaign tonight. I have to go get a job I have a baby girl to feed and this campaign is going to cut me off of money soon when he decides to drop out. I need a stable job yall.
just thought i would give my 2 sense.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2016, 09:34:03 PM

 :lol

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 27, 2016, 10:05:23 PM

isn't all your guys money green?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 27, 2016, 10:42:50 PM

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-klan-rally-in-anaheim-erupts-in-violence-one-man-stabbed-20160227-story.html

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on February 27, 2016, 10:54:07 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rN9KpQCBolw

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Post by: Trent Dole on February 27, 2016, 10:56:00 PM

A-at least he helped shift the dialogue a bit? :-[

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Post by: octopushover on February 27, 2016, 11:25:17 PM

At least he's spawning some amazing trolls.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4803dk/im_losing_hope/

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I'm using a throaway account because I have friends and family who are aware of my reddit account and don't want them to worry about me even more.
That being said, I can't do this. I've thrown all my cards on the table and I think I'm done. Me and my wife have been arguing nearly every day since October. She thinks I'm spending money on another woman because funds have been mysteriously disappearing from our account. Well, that "other woman" is Bernie Sanders. She got upset after I donated over $500 to his campaign and told me not to do it again "or we're going to have serious issues" she said. We've been on hard times ever since I was laid off my old job. I was the breadwinner so now it's both of us having to pull the plow and make end's meat, I make very little compared to my last job and get very little hours but we're persevering. I keep assuring her that things will get better WHEN (NOT IF) Bernie wins and to just bear with me for a while longer.
I would rather have her think I'm cheating on her than have her find out I'm "wasting money" donating on Bernie. At least it'd be another reason to go to the marriage counseling shes been whining about for the past year.
Anyways, please get out there and vote. I'll take the day off work and I'll be out there on Super Tuesday manning the phones and handing out brochures.
God bless.

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Post by: Mupepe on February 27, 2016, 11:27:33 PM

God bless.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2016, 11:41:19 PM

Sanders seems like a genuinely good man, with the best political views that actually make sense for a modern world. I thought he was unlikely to get the nomination though for lots of reasons but mostly because he's a guy who looks like he's in his 70's/80's and he's not a speaker on the level of an Obama. You can have the most wonderful package of beliefs and policies but in America you have to look the part and talk the part.

That being said I was also fine with Hillary as I was the last time.

Bernie supporters can be annoying but that tends to happen with true believer style candidates that attract the most insane "my life depends on this election" style fans.

 

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Post by: octopushover on February 28, 2016, 09:15:03 AM

Sanders should stay in the senate. With the way the senate and the house are packed it doesn't make sense to me that you'd get rid of your most liberal voice in the legislative. My biggest issue with him has always been his lack of commitment to down ticket  races, and it seems like he has absolutely no plan for them behind a miracle blue wave.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2016, 04:18:20 PM

Quote from: octopushover on February 27, 2016, 09:30:13 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/47zi8e/i_was_maced_by_police_in_ferguson_to_protect/

He couldn't offer his two cents because the big banks backing Hillary and The Blacks stole it.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 27, 2016, 08:24:43 PM

Apparently his rallies haven't been selling out lately either. Benji since you are the resident Pauline expert...were Paul rallies abandoned once it started looking like he was fucked?

What Rand Paul rallies?

EDIT: This is from when he was polling at 10+% nationally:
(http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Rand+Paul+Holds+Campaign+Rally+Iowa+City+8dBDwXWVQSvl.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2016, 04:21:04 PM

Melissa Harris-Perry out at MSNBC (http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/28/media/melissa-harris-perry-msnbc/).

Speaking of outcast MSNBC anchors and PoliGAF regular David Brock:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIKt5z9dvdU

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I can't get over CNN's promos and on-screen countdowns to the debates and primaries.

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EDIT: "Founder, Correct the Road" :lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2016, 05:07:30 PM

Benji: Ron, not Rand.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 28, 2016, 05:20:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UM8F4EuUbw&feature=youtu.be

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 28, 2016, 05:45:02 PM

Jeff Sessions to endorse Trump.

That's not entirely surprising, but that Trump is getting his nod over his partner in nihilism Ted Cruz is kinda amazing. Ted can't even get the freedom caucus to carry water for him, and the only things he's done in federal government was done with them in unison as their sort of inter-congressional-body leader.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2016, 05:57:50 PM

I saw that the DNC Vice Chair had resigned to endorse Bernie and I got excited for a second, but then I saw it was Vice Chair and not Chair.

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Post by: chronovore on February 28, 2016, 06:03:33 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2016, 05:57:50 PM

I saw that the DNC Vice Chair had resigned to endorse Bernie and I got excited for a second, but then I saw it was Vice Chair and not Chair.

It's still pretty huge. I mean, this is clearly breaking from the ranks.

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Post by: Sausage on February 28, 2016, 06:05:32 PM

Ended up voting for Sanders, but now that I think of it I should have just picked the Republican primary. My district is so solidly red the most I could do to actually affect the elections is try and vote for the less crazy Republican.


...Plus I get to vote for Trump for the lulz

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 28, 2016, 06:05:55 PM

Also 'The Judgement to Lead' sounds like a bad Kant translation 

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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2016, 06:10:41 PM

Quote from: chronovore on February 28, 2016, 06:03:33 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on February 28, 2016, 05:57:50 PM

I saw that the DNC Vice Chair had resigned to endorse Bernie and I got excited for a second, but then I saw it was Vice Chair and not Chair.

It's still pretty huge. I mean, this is clearly breaking from the ranks.

I meant I wish Debbie Wasserman Schultz would resign for any reason.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2016, 06:28:39 PM

By the time Debbie's finished there might not be any elected Democrats except Hillary.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 28, 2016, 05:07:30 PM

Benji: Ron, not Rand.

Yeah, there was a drop off, probably always is. But one thing about Ron was that his cult was full of long time supporters, either from his 2008 bid or people who had backed him for years and years.

Sanders was arguably far less well known and supported as a thing more than a curiosity Senator among all sorts of left circles, whereas there were few libertarians that didn't know about Ron and he had plenty of people who were fans of his since the 1988 bid.

Especially for 2012 which is why they went to the mat to get elected to the actual delegate, state/county/local party, etc. positions. I doubt many Sanders people will be doing that months after his bid is done and the general has effectively started. Especially if the Sanders campaign apparatus abandons them if they try, Ron's didn't. (He suspended his campaign in part so they could shift the money/staff over to that...and his family members.)

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Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2016, 10:14:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 21, 2016, 05:26:42 PM

Has anyone done more for income equality than Karl Rove or Mike Murphy? Think about all the money they milked from billionaires and utterly wasted on terrible presidential candidates. I'd imagine the total equals the amount of money payday loans and other scams milk from the lower classes.
:lawd

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/jeb-bushs-ambitions-paid-dividends-for-gop-admaker-over-the-years/2016/02/28/a5679bcc-dbf9-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html

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Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2016, 10:21:05 PM

 :drudge http://www.infowars.com/breaking-insider-leaks-koch-bros-rubio-plan-to-stop-trump/ :drudge

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Insiders who were at a recent meeting between the Koch Bros. and Marco Rubio leaked intel on how exactly they’re going to try and steal the election from Donald Trump, GOP strategist Roger Stone revealed.

The Koch Bros. met with GOP millionaires and billionaires Thursday night to pool together over $75 million to stop Trump and are going to use Mitt Romney as ‘Plan B’ if Rubio fails to gain traction on Super Tuesday, according to moles who were inside the meeting.

“$75 million to stop Trump and $25 million to Marco Rubio, but they gave Rubio a condition: he’s got to win the Florida primary or he’s out and Mitt Romney’s in,” Stone revealed. “That’s the plan.”

“First they’ll ramp up an enormous, negative campaign on TV against Trump and they’re going to hit this phony Trump University issue,” he continued. “They claim to have personal dirt on Trump – I doubt that – and they are also going to try and delve into his business affairs, but if Rubio fails to grab the Florida primary, then Rubio’s out and Mitt Romney’s in.”

“The plan is for Romney to file for the New Jersey, New York and California primaries in an all-out ditch effort to stop Donald Trump and you heard it here on Infowars.com.”

Additionally, Marco Rubio’s wife called Ted Cruz’s wife, Heidi, to desperately beg Cruz to exit the race and aid Rubio, but Heidi said no, Stone said.

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Breaking! Alex Jones reports on information consummate Trump Insider Roger Stone relayed to him on Saturday night after a speaking with reps from both the Rubio and Cruz campaigns.

Apparently Ted Cruz has offered to drop out of the POTUS race in exchange for a supreme court appointment. This is bombshell information that needs to go viral and could change the campaign as we know it.

:drudge  :drudge  :drudge  :drudge

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on February 28, 2016, 10:34:54 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on February 28, 2016, 06:05:55 PM

Also 'The Judgement to Lead' sounds like a bad Kant translation

Or an anime TV series episode title

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Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2016, 11:40:59 PM

Nebraska Republican Senator Ben Sasse (https://www.facebook.com/sassefornebraska/posts/561073597391141):

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IF MR. TRUMP BECOMES THE NOMINEE...

Given what we know about him today, here’s where I’m at: If Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, my expectation is that I will look for some third candidate – a conservative option, a Constitutionalist.

I do not claim to speak for a movement, but I suspect I am far from alone. After listening to Nebraskans in recent weeks, and talking to a great many people who take oaths seriously, I think many are in the same place. I believe a sizable share of Christians – who regard threats against religious liberty as arguably the greatest crisis of our time – are unwilling to support any candidate who does not make a full-throated defense of the First Amendment a first commitment of their candidacy.

Conservatives understand that all men are created equal and made in the image of God, but also that government must be limited so that fallen men do not wield too much power. A presidential candidate who boasts about what he'll do during his "reign" and refuses to condemn the KKK cannot lead a conservative movement in America.

TO MAKE AMERICA GREAT

Thank you for listening. While I recognize that we disagree about how to make America great again, we agree that this should be our goal. We need more people engaged in the civic life of our country—not fewer. I genuinely appreciate how much many of you care about this country, and that you are demanding something different from Washington. I’m going to keep doing the same thing.

But I can’t support Donald Trump.

Humbly,
Ben Sasse
Nebraska

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 12:35:19 AM

We're witnessing the end of the GOP's short term national relevance brehs.

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Post by: Mandark on February 29, 2016, 01:27:59 AM

They're a mess now, but if they keep Trump from the nomination they should be aight.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 07:54:52 AM

Quote

2016 Republican Presidential Nomination
CNN/ORC   
Trump 49, Rubio 16, Cruz 15, Carson 10, Kasich 6

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 09:42:56 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on February 27, 2016, 11:41:19 PM

Sanders seems like a genuinely good man, with the best political views that actually make sense for a modern world. I thought he was unlikely to get the nomination though for lots of reasons but mostly because he's a guy who looks like he's in his 70's/80's and he's not a speaker on the level of an Obama. You can have the most wonderful package of beliefs and policies but in America you have to look the part and talk the part.

That being said I was also fine with Hillary as I was the last time.

Bernie supporters can be annoying but that tends to happen with true believer style candidates that attract the most insane "my life depends on this election" style fans.

(http://i.imgur.com/HfyI2.gif?noredirect)

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Post by: Brehvolution on February 29, 2016, 09:51:55 AM

https://theintercept.com/2016/02/27/antonin-scalia-the-billion-dollar-supreme-court-justice/

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The case reveals how corporations have used the conservative majority on the court as a safety valve to nullify unfavorable rulings. As the Alliance for Justice has documented, time and again, the Roberts Court has issued 5-4 rulings that protect big corporations from liability, limit access to justice for workers and consumers, and allow companies to evade regulations on the environment, racial and gender discrimination, and monopolistic practices.

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Post by: Boogie on February 29, 2016, 10:09:18 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2016, 05:34:09 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 26, 2016, 05:23:34 PM

I think he's saying that they took the Obama election particularly not well but were graceful before with Clinton (who they impeached) and..then if you go far back enough you'll only get Carter. How old is AiA?

Only like 45.

39.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 10:15:45 AM

Quote from: Boogie on February 29, 2016, 10:09:18 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on February 26, 2016, 05:34:09 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on February 26, 2016, 05:23:34 PM

I think he's saying that they took the Obama election particularly not well but were graceful before with Clinton (who they impeached) and..then if you go far back enough you'll only get Carter. How old is AiA?

Only like 45.

39.

Old enough to have lived under the Carter regime :snoop

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 10:37:34 AM

"Trump Mortgage failed. Here’s what that says about the GOP front-runner."

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As some economists and Wall Street traders began to sense danger ahead of the crippling housing market collapse of 2008, Donald Trump waved away the worries and offered a concrete expression of confidence in the industry.

In the spring of 2006, the tycoon hosted a glitzy event at Trump Tower to introduce Trump Mortgage LLC, a new firm that specialized in selling residential and commercial real estate loans. He devoted a floor of the Trump Organization headquarters at 40 Wall Street to the new business. And his picture appeared atop the company website with the instruction: “Talk to My Mortgage Professionals now!”

“I think it’s a great time to start a mortgage company,” Trump told a CNBC interviewer in April 2006, adding that “the real estate market is going to be very strong for a long time to come.”

Within 18 months, as the experts’ worst fears began to pan out and home prices began to dip, Trump Mortgage closed, leaving some bills unpaid and a spotty sales record that fell short of Trump’s lofty predictions. Trump distanced himself from the firm’s demise, saying at the time that he had not been involved in the company’s management and that its executives had performed poorly.

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    He batted away skepticism from CNBC anchor Maria Bartiromo, who cited a 10 percent decline in new home sales in one recent month.

    “I think the market is very good,” Trump responded. “We’re going to have a great company. It’s Trump Mortgage and trumpmortgage.com. And it’s going to be a terrific company,”one he predicted would quickly become an industry leader.

    Trump derided economists during the broadcast, saying they were often unable to predict significant events.

    “I went to the Wharton School of Finance. I was actually a very good student, believe it or not, but I’ve never been a huge believer in forecasting what’s going to happen because you really never know what happens down the road,” he said.

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    Recently, as a candidate, Trump has presented himself as a truth teller who sounded an early alarm about the pending mortgage crisis. He told MSNBC last July that he had known the housing market “was a bubble that was waiting to explode.”

    “I told a lot of people,” Trump said. “And I was right. You know, I’m pretty good at that stuff.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-mortgage-failed-heres-what-that-says-about-the-gop-front-runner/2016/02/28/f8701880-d00f-11e5-88cd-753e80cd29ad_story.html

:dead

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Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 10:52:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wv7bT0ik3Wg

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"He doesn't sweat because his pores are clogged with the spray tan he uses," Rubio said.

"Donald is not going to make American great again; he's going to make America orange," Rubio tried on the crowd.

"The other thing he says is he's always calling me little Marco. And I'll admit, he's taller than me. He's like 6'2", which is why I don't understand why his hands are the size of a guy that's 5'2". I just see his hands -- they're like this (motions). And you know what they say about men with small hands -- you can't trust them!" Rubio joked.

standing athwart history, yelling Orange

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Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 11:25:43 AM

Sigh.

We tried. Tonight I'm going to my hq to help Bernie's get out for tomorrow.

I'm prepared for a big defeat but I'm not going down swinging and I'm talking to socialist orgs on what we can do to organize after the fact. It'll be tougher than I thought with the realization that many Bernie supporters are honestly aren't even interested in this from an inequality issue whether economically or racial but because they don't want their jobs sent overseas. But we have something to work with and that makes organizing easier than before this election.

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Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 11:29:14 AM

I will say that as I said on Facebook anyone who says Hilary or democrats are as bad as republicans this election is full on batshit and shouldn't be taken seriously. The people who say they won't vote if Bernie doesn't win are even more naive, who think progress is an overnight process and that losing our current progress (ACA, marriage equality) will make things worse for a lot of us. These people aren't thinking of how losing these things affects their poor friend or their gay, bi, or trans friend who legally couldn't marry. Or even the effects of new conservative SCOTUS seats will have on an entire generation. They don't care. They care about me, me, and I only.

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Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 11:45:20 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le8bEO5o3Hk

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrF0T7cQ-qY

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dem new level production values :doge

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 12:04:00 PM

It seems like Sanders' "movement" is going to die the minute he drops out. And to be fair I can't just lampoon Sanders for this...let's not forget Obama abandoned OFA after he won in 2008. Democrats seem pretty disinterested grassroots organization and spend too much time focused on a top down approach - much like the Soviet Union  :benji

A family friend of mine who was heavily involved in OFA said that he hoped it would morph into a state based organization to take over school boards, state congressional seats, etc. Instead it was pretty much abandoned after 2008, only to return for a few puzzling advocacy attempts for federal stuff; OFA emails went out in 2011 asking people to help Obama cut Medicare during the debt battle lol.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 12:06:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 12:04:00 PM

It seems like Sanders' "movement" is going to die the minute he drops out. And to be fair I can't just lampoon Sanders for this...let's not forget Obama abandoned OFA after he won in 2008. Democrats seem pretty disinterested grassroots organization and spend too much time focused on a top down approach - much like the Soviet Union  :benji

A family friend of mine who was heavily involved in OFA said that he hoped it would morph into a state based organization to take over school boards, state congressional seats, etc. Instead it was pretty much abandoned after 2008, only to return for a few puzzling advocacy attempts for federal stuff; OFA emails went out in 2011 asking people to help Obama cut Medicare during the debt battle lol.

No offense but a lazy, borderline derelict until he was in his 40's isn't somebody I could ever get behind. Socialist or not.

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Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 12:09:55 PM

It depends on who you're talking about with sanders because the guy attracts a lot of different people for different reasons.

While I think it's true that the Democratic Party isn't interested in grassroots, I think sanders supporters could possibly be the parties future. Bernie's supporters are forcing Clinton further left. Whether president Clinton appeals to this demo is up in the air.

People said that after OWS happened that it was just a fad but that issue keeps coming back. I don't think the issue will just disappear because Sanders loses. Granted, a lot of his supporters are flaky slacktivists so who knows.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 12:11:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 12:06:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 12:04:00 PM

It seems like Sanders' "movement" is going to die the minute he drops out. And to be fair I can't just lampoon Sanders for this...let's not forget Obama abandoned OFA after he won in 2008. Democrats seem pretty disinterested grassroots organization and spend too much time focused on a top down approach - much like the Soviet Union  :benji

A family friend of mine who was heavily involved in OFA said that he hoped it would morph into a state based organization to take over school boards, state congressional seats, etc. Instead it was pretty much abandoned after 2008, only to return for a few puzzling advocacy attempts for federal stuff; OFA emails went out in 2011 asking people to help Obama cut Medicare during the debt battle lol.

No offense but a lazy, borderline derelict until he was in his 40's isn't somebody I could ever get behind. Socialist or not.

I'll have you know Mr. Marx wrote for the New York Tribune and had living arrangements in London.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:19:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Also- AiA, have you figured out who you're voting for yet since Trump will be the GOP nominee?

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 12:21:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:19:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnpO_RTSNmQ

:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Also- AiA, have you figured out who you're voting for yet since Trump will be the GOP nominee?

I'll be writing in Donkey Kong this year.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:25:02 PM

You're a better man than this kid's parents/uncles/whatever.

(http://i.imgur.com/pM9fRAG.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:35:49 PM

Super Tuesday prediction contest, winner gets a disinterested handy. Post your picks.

Dems:

Alabama - Clinton
American Samoa - Clinton
Arkansas - Clinton
Colorado - Clinton
Georgia - Clinton
Mass - Sanders (upset special pick)
Minnesota - Clinton
Oklahoma - Clinton
Tennessee - Clinton
Texas - Clinton
Vermont - Sanders
Virginia - Clinton

GOP:

Alabama - Trump
Alaska - Trump
Arkansas - Trump
Colorado - Trump
Georgia - Trump
Mass - Trump
Minnesota - Trump
Oklahoma - Trump
Tennessee - Trump
Texas - Cruz
Vermont - Trump
Virginia - Trump
Wyoming -Trump

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 29, 2016, 12:39:57 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:25:02 PM

You're a better man than this kid's parents/uncles/whatever.

(http://i.imgur.com/pM9fRAG.jpg)

I have family members like this. Christmas is amazing to hear their bullshit. One guy threatened to never attend again because how he was treated.

Never forget.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2tLyqfJd54

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 12:40:42 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:35:49 PM

Super Tuesday prediction contest, winner gets a disinterested handy. Post your picks.

Dems:

Alabama - Clinton
American Samoa - Clinton
Arkansas - Clinton
Colorado - Clinton
Georgia - Clinton
Mass - Sanders (upset special pick)
Minnesota - Clinton
Oklahoma - Clinton
Tennessee - Clinton
Texas - Sanders (don't underestimate their hatred of clinton)
Vermont - Sanders
Virginia - Clinton

GOP:

Alabama - Cruz
Alaska - Trump
Arkansas - Cruz
Colorado - Trump
Georgia - Trump
Mass - Trump
Minnesota - Trump
Oklahoma - Trump
Tennessee - Trump
Texas - Cruz
Vermont - Trump
Virginia - Trump
Wyoming -Trump

My predictions

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 12:04:00 PM

It seems like Sanders' "movement" is going to die the minute he drops out. And to be fair I can't just lampoon Sanders for this...let's not forget Obama abandoned OFA after he won in 2008. Democrats seem pretty disinterested grassroots organization and spend too much time focused on a top down approach - much like the Soviet Union  :benji

A family friend of mine who was heavily involved in OFA said that he hoped it would morph into a state based organization to take over school boards, state congressional seats, etc. Instead it was pretty much abandoned after 2008, only to return for a few puzzling advocacy attempts for federal stuff; OFA emails went out in 2011 asking people to help Obama cut Medicare during the debt battle lol.

How dare you, there was this:

Quote

After the United States Senate and United States House of Representatives voted for the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, which completed one piece of Obama's domestic agenda, Organizing for America enabled Americans to "co-sign with the president," creating a permanent record of the bills supporters. Those who co-signed could opt to have a certificate noting their participation sent to them for free. Over one million signatures of health care bill supporters were delivered to the president in April 2010.

Quote

On February 11, 2010, OFA launched a national campaign called "You Fight, We Fight" This program enabled people to pledge a number of hours in support of healthcare reform and President Barack Obama's domestic goals.

Quote

Together, along with President Obama, we beat the insurance companies and brought affordable coverage to 32 million without it, reduced costs for families and small businesses, and created the toughest patient protections in history.

Members of Congress know that reform would not have passed without all of your incredible work. But we also know that it would not have passed without their courage.

So we made a simple promise to these representatives: You fight for health reform, we'll fight for you.

Showing support for reform and those who fought for it is our number one priority right now. We're going all-out, organizing grassroots events around the country, running supportive ads on the air, and making sure that every American knows the truth about the historic legislation that representatives voted into law.

Please pledge to volunteer right away, using the form on the right.

Quote

Nevertheless, OFA members were never called upon to do volunteer work in support of including a public option in the bill, despite Obama's stated preference for such a provision

:obama

And then there was this:
(http://www.frontpagemag.com/sites/default/files/uploads/2013/12/PajamaBoy02.jpg)
 :whew

And:
(http://media.washtimes.com.s3.amazonaws.com/media/image/2013/09/25/messina-twitter.jpg)
(https://beetheadmedia.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/b63d1__a3ni4locaaafzbb.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A3Mkml9CAAAoIHk.jpg)

What have you done for health care reform PD?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 12:57:08 PM

http://nypost.com/2016/02/28/hillary-could-lose-to-trump-in-democratic-new-york/

Quote

Confidential polling data shows Hillary Clinton could lose the presidential election in heavily Democratic New York to Donald Trump as the GOP front-runner’s support grows to the point of being “surprisingly strong,” The Post has learned.

...

“There are some Democrats who think that Hillary can be taken if Trump mounts a strong campaign,’’ one of the state’s most prominent Democrats said.

...

The polls found that Clinton often had higher negative ratings with voters than did the more controversial Trump, whose inflammatory pronouncements have often angered and even horrified many of his fellow Republicans.

“In the suburbs and upstate, Trump has a net positive while Hillary is a net negative,” one longtime Republican operative contended. “She’s more of a liability than many Democrats realized.”

RUDY 2008 TRUMP 2016

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 01:15:28 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:25:02 PM

You're a better man than this kid's parents/uncles/whatever.

(http://i.imgur.com/pM9fRAG.jpg)

 :sabu

That kid's face is priceless.


I have not asked my son or wife whom they are voting for yet but I assume it will be "Anybody but donald"

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Brehvolution on February 29, 2016, 01:21:44 PM

I'm doing this just so AIA doesn't win the disinterested handy by default.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 12:35:49 PM

Super Tuesday prediction contest, winner gets a disinterested handy. Post your picks.

Dems:

Alabama - Clinton
American Samoa - Clinton
Arkansas - Clinton
Colorado - Clinton
Georgia - Clinton
Mass - Sanders (upset special pick)
Minnesota - Clinton
Oklahoma - Clinton
Tennessee - Clinton
Texas - Clinton
Vermont - Sanders
Virginia - Clinton

GOP:

Alabama -  :trash
Alaska - :trash
Arkansas - :trash
Colorado - :trash
Georgia - :trash
Mass - :trash
Minnesota - :trash
Oklahoma - :trash
Tennessee - :trash
Texas - Texas sized :trash
Vermont - :trash
Virginia - :trash
Wyoming - :trash

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 01:22:38 PM

It would be a disinterested 2 handy breh  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Brehvolution on February 29, 2016, 01:24:37 PM

 :rejoice

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 01:40:45 PM

I also think Creepy is underestimating Sanders winning Texas.

Anecdotal but the largest black newspaper in Houston is running with Sanders.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 01:48:31 PM

Clinton is consistently polling 20+ points up in TX. That sort of thing isn't a mistake, she'll win handily.

I didn't check OK before making predictions and apparently Bernie is up 5-6 points there, so he could win that.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 02:01:40 PM

Sanders will win VT and CO. Hillary wins everything else including a squeaker in MA.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 02:09:15 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 01:40:45 PM

Anecdotal but the largest black newspaper in Houston is running with Sanders.

:smug

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM

What exactly is a "black" newspaper?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 02:19:30 PM

Owned, produced and written for blacks same as any other group targeted newspapers.

http://www.aframnews.com/
http://defendernetwork.com/
http://forwardtimesonline.com/

I don't live in Houston but I imagine they're like the free newspapers everywhere every locally owned restaurant/shop has like two or three racks stacked somewhere. And there's only one decent one in the city/town, and you can never remember which one it is, but it's almost guaranteed not to be the one you picked up to leaf through while waiting for an order or something. With Michigan State and the largest Community College around there's two horribly produced college papers that are always good for bad writing and incoherent lacking coverage.

I especially like video game reviewers in any of these types of publications. And closing my eyes and imagining some GAFer attending the college reading it and trying not to post a thread about what they wrote about Bloodborne or whatever.

And then I remember I watch Maoist Rebel News for fun.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM

What exactly is a "black" newspaper?

is this a joke post

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 29, 2016, 02:24:37 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM

What exactly is a "black" newspaper?

One with no white but red all over?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:24:58 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM

What exactly is a "black" newspaper?

is this a joke post

No can you quantify what you call a black newspaper for me  :cmonson

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: tiesto on February 29, 2016, 02:26:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 12:57:08 PM

http://nypost.com/2016/02/28/hillary-could-lose-to-trump-in-democratic-new-york/

Quote

Confidential polling data shows Hillary Clinton could lose the presidential election in heavily Democratic New York to Donald Trump as the GOP front-runner’s support grows to the point of being “surprisingly strong,” The Post has learned.

...

“There are some Democrats who think that Hillary can be taken if Trump mounts a strong campaign,’’ one of the state’s most prominent Democrats said.

...

The polls found that Clinton often had higher negative ratings with voters than did the more controversial Trump, whose inflammatory pronouncements have often angered and even horrified many of his fellow Republicans.

“In the suburbs and upstate, Trump has a net positive while Hillary is a net negative,” one longtime Republican operative contended. “She’s more of a liability than many Democrats realized.”

RUDY 2008 TRUMP 2016

Speaking as a person from suburban NY with a large cachet of Republican friends (mostly fiscally conservative and heavily pro-business, not so much socially conservative)... most of them are planning not to vote if Trump gets the nomination. Like, they obviously hate Hillary but would rather deal with her than risk  a Trump presidency. Out of the ones remaining they're mostly into Kasich, less so Rubio.

If Bloomberg jumps into the race, though...

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 02:28:40 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:24:58 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM

What exactly is a "black" newspaper?

is this a joke post

No can you quantify what you call a black newspaper for me  :cmonson

again, is this a joke question

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:30:14 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 02:28:40 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:24:58 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 02:22:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM

What exactly is a "black" newspaper?

is this a joke post

No can you quantify what you call a black newspaper for me  :cmonson

again, is this a joke question

Yes, how the fuck did you not figure it out  :doge

Them inner racist feelings in your creeping out.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 02:38:35 PM

i'm confused

someone help

(https://33.media.tumblr.com/834f93017c0b6bd63eb9ff7308d684f9/tumblr_inline_nd7gu7TJXO1svk9zc.gif)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on February 29, 2016, 02:58:19 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 12:06:05 PM

No offense but a lazy, borderline derelict until he was in his 40's isn't somebody I could ever get behind. Socialist or not.

Can we stop piling on GWB?  Let the man paint.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 03:01:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on February 29, 2016, 02:11:47 PM

What exactly is a "black" newspaper?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BpvZgJRCUAEa5_Y.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on February 29, 2016, 03:06:44 PM

Can't wait for AIA to ask what a HBCU is on the next page of this thread.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 03:20:47 PM

AiA, here's a black magazine

(http://i.imgur.com/2BTqVdl.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: studyguy on February 29, 2016, 03:23:27 PM

How is Cruz v Trump shaping up in Texas anyway? I need to see that salt flow.

Tomorrow's going to be incredible though, I can't fucking wait to see the tears and the fuckery.  :hyper

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Trent Dole on February 29, 2016, 03:26:53 PM

Tomorrow is probably the death of Sanders attempt at the Dem nomination. Drumpf may have his parties nom in the bag at this point unless there is some extreme fuckery afoot, in which case he will run as a third party guy I imagine. May have said that I'm hoping for a four way race come November before.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Brehvolution on February 29, 2016, 03:26:58 PM

That pic of Obama makes him look like he has the eyes of Anubis.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: octopushover on February 29, 2016, 03:30:22 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on February 29, 2016, 03:26:58 PM

That pic of Obama makes him look like he has the eyes of Anubis.

fitting because he's one of the WAR GODS

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: octopushover on February 29, 2016, 03:30:31 PM

ANUBIS WINS

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: studyguy on February 29, 2016, 03:33:49 PM

Listen, if Hollywood has taught me anything. We need to recast this Obama fellow as someone more fitting. This guy looks too street to be an Egyptian god. Maybe we can recast him as a generic badguy bodyguard though  :doge

(http://bttm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/gods-of-egypt.jpg)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Sausage on February 29, 2016, 06:16:09 PM

Quote from: studyguy on February 29, 2016, 03:23:27 PM

How is Cruz v Trump shaping up in Texas anyway? I need to see that salt flow.

Tomorrow's going to be incredible though, I can't fucking wait to see the tears and the fuckery.  :hyper

Cruz is probably gonna win

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Human Snorenado on February 29, 2016, 06:23:38 PM

Quote from: Sausage on February 29, 2016, 06:16:09 PM

Quote from: studyguy on February 29, 2016, 03:23:27 PM

How is Cruz v Trump shaping up in Texas anyway? I need to see that salt flow.

Tomorrow's going to be incredible though, I can't fucking wait to see the tears and the fuckery.  :hyper

Cruz is probably gonna win

Recent polls have tightened, but yeah my money is on Cruz just barely winning

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/tx/texas_republican_presidential_primary-3622.html

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: studyguy on February 29, 2016, 06:35:21 PM

GOP primaries are all or nothing, not % split like dems right?
Or was it per state that it goes down like that?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 29, 2016, 06:46:18 PM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/265895292191248385

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on February 29, 2016, 06:51:27 PM

America explain

https://twitter.com/jesseryanusa/status/703380392691130368

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: octopushover on February 29, 2016, 07:00:41 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on February 29, 2016, 06:51:27 PM

America explain

https://twitter.com/jesseryanusa/status/703380392691130368

 :beli

this is the leading world power?

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on February 29, 2016, 07:23:31 PM

Ya I've started rooting for the Chinese.  Go team Yellow!   

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 07:52:56 PM

Quote from: studyguy on February 29, 2016, 06:35:21 PM

GOP primaries are all or nothing, not % split like dems right?
Or was it per state that it goes down like that?

Super Tuesday will be mostly PR still. With thresholds. (i.e. candidate has to get at least 10%, 20%, etc.)

It was the new rule this cycle on the GOP side that all primaries (with select exceptions) going March 1st or earlier had to be PR.

After this more and more states become WTA, though it'll still be mostly PR for the larger states until March 15th (Florida, Ohio, Illinois, Missouri are all WTA on that day, along with NC as PR, it's basically the end game for everyone not Trump/Shrillary) and after that only Rhode Island, Oregon and Washington are PR in some form.

That's why Trump is in good position as long as he can squeak out first place finishes in WTA and/or not lose by too much in PR states.

Rubio desperately needs wins from here on out. Same for Cruz (even though we can already pencil him in for Iowa and Texas wins, they won't be worth huge amounts as Trump will likely finish a close second) though he seems more likely to actually get some.

The longer Kasich and Carson stay in the race sucking off 15-20% (get your minds out of the gutter, I expect better of The Bore) they're holding back Rubio and Cruz, not Trump. (And I suspect if they were to drop out, it wouldn't exactly help Rubio, especially since I'm assuming Carson voters will go to Trump and Cruz.) That's one reason Jeb! sucked it up and ditched. (Despite $24 million in SuperPAC money still.)

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 08:01:40 PM

welp. tonight is probably my last night working for the sanders campaign. here's hoping tomorrow we win.

time for fighting games. haven't played in three days

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 08:03:33 PM

Two little delegate calculators:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/27/upshot/republican-delegate-calculator-how-trump-can-win.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/writeup/the_gop_race_for_delegates_an_interactive_tool.html

In that second one you can pretty easily see just by hitting the national allocation in every state, sans Texas, through March 15th, Trump basically puts the nomination on lock.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 08:04:23 PM

i'm actually starting to get worried he has a legitimate shot at winning the ge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 08:13:22 PM

It's mathematically impossible to win the presidency while getting <25% of the Hispanic vote, <10% of the black vote, and losing the female vote by a considerable amount. He can increase white turnout sure, but the problem is that a lot of it resides in southern states he's going to win regardless.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2016, 08:43:20 PM

You can't argue with the facts PD:

Quote

Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

...

“He’s a masculine figure and that will attract women to him,” said Nunberg. “It’s their dirty little secret. They like Donald Trump.”

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on February 29, 2016, 11:20:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 08:13:22 PM

It's mathematically impossible to win the presidency while getting <25% of the Hispanic vote, <10% of the black vote, and losing the female vote by a considerable amount. He can increase white turnout sure, but the problem is that a lot of it resides in southern states he's going to win regardless.

I'd think that if the US hits a sharp recession, just about any asshole with the nomination of the out-party could win.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 11:24:57 PM

Quote from: Mandark on February 29, 2016, 11:20:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on February 29, 2016, 08:13:22 PM

It's mathematically impossible to win the presidency while getting <25% of the Hispanic vote, <10% of the black vote, and losing the female vote by a considerable amount. He can increase white turnout sure, but the problem is that a lot of it resides in southern states he's going to win regardless.

I'd think that if the US hits a sharp recession, just about any asshole with the nomination of the out-party could win.

Sure. But there are no signs of an imminent recession, despite conservatives wishing otherwise.

A major terrorist attack could also change things. But then again I'm not sure I can see Americans rushing into Trump's arms after an attack, overlooking someone with actual experience (Hillary).

And of course if Hillary is in jail everything changes  :doge

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: thisismyusername on March 01, 2016, 05:07:34 AM

Quote from: Mods Help on February 29, 2016, 08:04:23 PM

i'm actually starting to get worried he has a legitimate shot at winning the ge

You haven't been worried since his whole primary has been gaining steam? :gurl :comeon

GOP is legit scaring me, and I come from a GOP family. #NoAiA

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 01, 2016, 06:30:34 AM

All this time Muricans were laughing at Europeans voting for populists.

Now you legit shook hombres.

Title: Re: Donald Trump Destroys Beloved American Political Dynasty |OT| Sad!
Post by: octopushover on March 01, 2016, 11:36:01 AM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 01, 2016, 05:33:09 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 01, 2016, 05:07:34 AM

and I come from a GOP family.

Explains why you're gay and racist. (http://www.thecoli.com/data/xengallery/6/6276-cb757bc35754fa71ae416aa289121ff1.jpg?1429593454)

 :dead

That emote

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Syph on March 01, 2016, 12:26:46 PM

If any of you have heard of Munk Debates, the info for the next one just came out and it's got me hyped as fuck
Featuring Nigel Farage and the GOAT, let me repeat, the GOAT Mark Steyn

Topic is on the Global Refugee Crisis: (http://munkdebates.com/debates/Global-Refugee-Crisis)
Be it resolved, give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 12:35:04 PM

From the KKK thing
(http://i.imgur.com/xuaVFEV.jpg) 
:bow2 :bow2

video, blood and stabbings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AylKVWon2wQ

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 01:00:25 PM

http://boingboing.net/2016/02/29/nate-silver-warns-that-trump-c.html

Quote

    On Twitter this weekend, there was a lot of activity behind the hashtag #NeverTrump, with various conservative intellectuals and operatives pledging that they’d refuse to support Trump in November. Rubio’s Twitter account employed the hashtag also, although Rubio himself has been ambiguous about whether he’d back Trump.

    It’s reasonably safe to say that some of the people in the #NeverTrump movement will, in fact, wind up supporting Trump. Clinton, very likely the Democratic nominee, is a divisive figure, and some anti-Trump conservatives will conclude that Trump is the lesser of two evils. Others will get caught up in the esprit de corps of the election. Some of them might be reassured by how Trump conducts himself during the general election campaign or whom he picks as his running mate.

- Nate Silver

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2016, 01:07:09 PM

Say it ain't so Silver

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Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2016, 01:22:03 PM

Trump the lesser of 2 evils.......  :neogaf

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 01:25:43 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 01, 2016, 01:22:03 PM

Trump the lesser of 2 evils.......  :neogaf

I wouldn't laugh at that.

Clinton has a storied history, and if you're a dumbass, you could blind yourself to that history and think Trump - who represents anti-esablishment somehow - is the more logical choice. Given that American voters seem to all agree our political system and bought politicians is fucked, this could make silly people think Trump is the best choice.

Clinton's history could come to bite her here. She's highly divisive and is by far the worst candidate the Democratic party could run with right now due to the stakes of this election. Of course, there's hope in all of this that for all of Hilary's fuck ups people hopefully find Trump even less trustworthy. Hopefully.

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Post by: helios on March 01, 2016, 01:31:27 PM

People at my job definitely do not want Drumpf to be the nominee, but if it's between Drumpf and Hillary, their voting Hillary. They're all dumbasses.

Side note: this Drumpf extension is wonderful.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 01:34:54 PM

let's hope everyone hates trump more than they do hilary then

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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 01:42:38 PM

Clearly, I'm voting for Hillary in November.

However, I have serious issues with her as a candidate and reserve the right to rub them in the faces of anyone that's an actual pro-Hillary shill if they should come to pass:

-any warmongering
-any caving to the GOP on shit like chained CPI/cutting entitlements in a "grand bargain" type agreement that even Obama almost seriously pursued

Also, I find anyone saying that she's the better dem candidate to deal with a Republican Congress (which will be a reality until 2022 at the earliest) to be laughably stupid: these lunatic GOP congresscritters view her as the Butcher of Benghazi and essentially Maleficent of the Ozarks. You think they're not gonna fall all over themselves to oppose her AT LEAST as hard as they've done Obama? GTFO.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 01:58:21 PM

The whole Hilary thing is so bad. Dems really should have pushed for a better candidate than her. Warren isn't going to be running for President in 2020 either, because she's fucking 66.

I'll vote for her, but only for gritted teeth for a dem house and progressive scotus seat.

And yes, I'll continue to give her guff despite that vote. I don't see why voting for her or being better than Republicans removes her from criticism.

Someone told me I'm a hypocrite for claiming that I will vote for Hilary if Bernie doesn't get the nom. SMH.

On the plus side, I doubt she'll undo the great things about Obama's presidency because she so cravenly hides behind him and his legacy. So we have that going for us under a President Clinton.

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Post by: brawndolicious on March 01, 2016, 02:01:47 PM

I don't think anyone views Trump as a presidential type, his entire platform is to oppose the liberals and moderate Republicans that make up most of American politics. So he's seen more as an expression of discontent by a plurality of a minority. He's good at pushing buttons which is why he got through those Republican debates with the least dignity lost but you can't spend two hours humiliating one other person on stage during a GE debate.

And of course people say EVERY election is too high stakes to go with a risky candidate. I thought the same thing in 2008 and then I saw the first black president get elected. Hillary gets knocked on for being heartless, not being independently successful, and for having a rocky marriage with infidelity at some point.

Yet libs be panicking that fucking TRUMP supporters are going to use that shit against her?

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 02:05:39 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 01, 2016, 02:01:47 PM

I don't think anyone views Trump as a presidential type, his entire platform is to oppose the liberals and moderate Republicans that make up most of American politics. So he's seen more as an expression of discontent by a plurality of a minority. He's good at pushing buttons which is why he got through those Republican debates with the least dignity lost but you can't spend two hours humiliating one other person on stage during a GE debate.

And of course people say EVERY election is too high stakes to go with a risky candidate. I thought the same thing in 2008 and then I saw the first black president get elected. Hillary gets knocked on for being heartless, not being independently successful, and for having a rocky marriage with infidelity at some point.

Yet libs be panicking that fucking TRUMP supporters are going to use that shit against her?

Trump not being the presidential type is exactly why he's appealing to people.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 02:09:03 PM

If Hillary were a bad candidate, she wouldn't be cruising to the nomination right now.  Real talk.

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Post by: Brehvolution on March 01, 2016, 02:24:56 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ryan-blasts-trump-for-courting-endorsements-from-bigots-gop-does-not-prey-on-peoples-prejudices/

Quote

If a person wants to be the nominee of the Republican party, there can be no evasion and no games. They must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry. This party does not prey on people’s prejudices. We appeal to their highest ideals. This is the party of Lincoln. We believe all people are created equal in the eyes of God and our government. This is fundamental. And if someone wants to be our nominee, they must understand this. I hope this is the last time I need to speak out on this race.

:neogaf

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 02:37:59 PM

:rofl

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2016, 02:40:50 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 01, 2016, 02:24:56 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/ryan-blasts-trump-for-courting-endorsements-from-bigots-gop-does-not-prey-on-peoples-prejudices/

Quote

If a person wants to be the nominee of the Republican party, there can be no evasion and no games. They must reject any group or cause that is built on bigotry. This party does not prey on people’s prejudices. We appeal to their highest ideals. This is the party of Lincoln. We believe all people are created equal in the eyes of God and our government. This is fundamental. And if someone wants to be our nominee, they must understand this. I hope this is the last time I need to speak out on this race.

:neogaf

I mean, daps to him for at least saying that.  Despite it being utterly false.

Also, Hillary IS the best all around Democratic candidate.  Seriously -- who else would be a strong candidate after Obama?  Biden?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 02:44:29 PM

Did not vote for Trump today.

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Post by: Syph on March 01, 2016, 02:49:44 PM

a shined turd is still a turd
 :doge

but yes she is the better democrat candidate
but only because bernie "run the jewels" sanders thinks money grows on trees

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: Syph on March 01, 2016, 02:49:44 PM

thinks money grows on trees

tell ya boy marco

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Post by: thisismyusername on March 01, 2016, 03:00:56 PM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 01, 2016, 05:33:09 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 01, 2016, 05:07:34 AM

and I come from a GOP family.

Explains why you're gay and racist. (http://www.thecoli.com/data/xengallery/6/6276-cb757bc35754fa71ae416aa289121ff1.jpg?1429593454)

(http://i.imgur.com/9ENZfJU.jpg)

:badass :neogaf :dead

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Post by: octopushover on March 01, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

gritting your teeth to vote for hillary is such a dramatic farce.

i swear, the longer your election cycle goes on the more insane you all are. it's an election, not a reality show.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 03:07:06 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 02:09:03 PM

If Hillary were a bad candidate, she wouldn't be cruising to the nomination right now.  Real talk.

:comeon

Turnout is way down from 2008. No one else was running because she scared off everyone by consolidating power/endorsements beforehand, and let's be real- the dem bench wasn't very deep to begin with.

I'm not saying she's McGovern levels of shitty or anything, but there are very real reasons to not be enthused about her candidacy or potential presidency.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 03:13:05 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 03:07:06 PM

No one else was running because she scared off everyone by consolidating power/endorsements beforehand

Which is, yanno, part of being a candidate.  We had The Experiment out here saying "oh she's a disaster, Biden shoulda run" like Uncle Joe didn't get destroyed when they were both running in '08.

We got people saying she's a risk in the general cause of all those years of GOP FUD, as if they weren't going to do the same shit with any Democratic nominee.  C'mon.

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Post by: brawndolicious on March 01, 2016, 03:13:40 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 02:05:39 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 01, 2016, 02:01:47 PM

I don't think anyone views Trump as a presidential type, his entire platform is to oppose the liberals and moderate Republicans that make up most of American politics. So he's seen more as an expression of discontent by a plurality of a minority. He's good at pushing buttons which is why he got through those Republican debates with the least dignity lost but you can't spend two hours humiliating one other person on stage during a GE debate.

And of course people say EVERY election is too high stakes to go with a risky candidate. I thought the same thing in 2008 and then I saw the first black president get elected. Hillary gets knocked on for being heartless, not being independently successful, and for having a rocky marriage with infidelity at some point.

Yet libs be panicking that fucking TRUMP supporters are going to use that shit against her?

Trump not being the presidential type is exactly why he's appealing to people.

Most people do want a President to sound like he knows what he's talking about when there's a debate about policies. This doesn't matter so much in primaries where you can just claim you'll be as radical in the direction of the party as possible but when you want to run for the GE, you have independents sitting on the fence wondering who has a better thought out plan. Trump isn't a knowledgeable guy, or eloquent enough to sound like he is a knowledgeable guy.

Don't go panicking like this is Weimar era Germany where most people are okay with the old leadership being lined up against the wall and giving fascism a try. Far right conservatives would like that but not most people considering it's been 8 years of mostly good changes under Obama. It's not that bad.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2016, 03:15:22 PM

Quote from: octopushover on March 01, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

gritting your teeth to vote for hillary is such a dramatic farce.

i swear, the longer your election cycle goes on the more insane you all are. it's an election, not a reality show.

Voting for a candidate is like voting for your boss. It's not liking voting for your favorite pop singer. It's one of the reasons that liberals annoy me because republicans seem to get to this and turn out to vote despite how shitty their perceived candidate is. Liberals want to fall in love with their candidate and think he is the perfect lover. Not aimed at any one here. But just a general observation.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 03:23:11 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2016, 03:15:22 PM

Voting for a candidate is like voting for your boss. It's not liking voting for your favorite pop singer. It's one of the reasons that liberals annoy me because republicans seem to get to this and turn out to vote despite how shitty their perceived candidate is. Liberals want to fall in love with their candidate and think he is the perfect lover. Not aimed at any one here. But just a general observation.

GOP hasn't done that exact shit the last two cycles?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 03:33:30 PM

To be fair a lot of democrats had their favorite lover in 08 and 12. Now they're trying to like this new white person but you know what they say  :doge

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 03:35:24 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 02:09:03 PM

If Hillary were a bad candidate, she wouldn't be cruising to the nomination right now.  Real talk.

Nomination != general election.

By your own argument, Trump is a good candidate because he's steam rolling his competition.

Hilary can get the nom, but that doesn't mean she's the best candidate to win the GE.

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 03:13:05 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 03:07:06 PM

No one else was running because she scared off everyone by consolidating power/endorsements beforehand

Which is, yanno, part of being a candidate.  We had The Experiment out here saying "oh she's a disaster, Biden shoulda run" like Uncle Joe didn't get destroyed when they were both running in '08.

We got people saying she's a risk in the general cause of all those years of GOP FUD, as if they weren't going to do the same shit with any Democratic nominee.  C'mon.

Fair point, they'd go for any Democratic candidate. But Hilary is a risk for more than that and you know it. But she's best the party's got. Their drawers are definitely empty.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 03:39:35 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2016, 03:15:22 PM

Quote from: octopushover on March 01, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

gritting your teeth to vote for hillary is such a dramatic farce.

i swear, the longer your election cycle goes on the more insane you all are. it's an election, not a reality show.

Voting for a candidate is like voting for your boss. It's not liking voting for your favorite pop singer. It's one of the reasons that liberals annoy me because republicans seem to get to this and turn out to vote despite how shitty their perceived candidate is. Liberals want to fall in love with their candidate and think he is the perfect lover. Not aimed at any one here. But just a general observation.

Republican's hardly treat their candidates like their boss. :lol They treat them like Gods to save them from The Hussein Menace the past two elections.

You think they treat Reagan like a boss? Republican's treat their candidates like cults of personality as much as liberals do.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 03:41:19 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 03:35:24 PM

But Hilary is a risk for more than that and you know it.

No she's not and no I don't.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 03:47:39 PM

So what reasons are there to be fully enthused with the Hilary train? That's not to say every person voting is going to be 100% towards a candidate, but Hilary Clinton has a lot of baggage. Depending on where you are, people fucking hate her. She's definitely not the ideal candidate for the democratic party and given the piss poor lineup for this year nomination, it's pretty clear she's all the party's got.

You brought up Biden, as if Biden's popularity hasn't soared since 2008, but you're for some reason willing to brush this under the rug and say Hilary is the ideal 100% candidate for the party and the only choice - period. Maybe you think this because the Democrat's pockets are for the most part, empty? Would you feel this way if Warren were running?

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 03:52:14 PM

"Yanno, part of being a candidate"

Seriously waiting for Mandark to have any criticism towards Clinton.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 03:53:36 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 03:47:39 PM

but you're for some reason willing to brush their under the rug and say Hilary is the ideal 100% candidate for the party.

First, I said no such thing.  I'm not the one idolizing a candidate here.

Second, your main criticisms of Hillary are that she's tainted by the politics of the 80's, 90's, and early 00's: being too hawkish, too draconian on crime and the drug war, too friendly with big financial companies.  Fine.  Do you have ANY idea what Biden's record looks like on these points? Plus he already had a scandal knock him out of one presidential race.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 04:01:08 PM

First, I don't idolize Sanders at all. I am pretty critical of him depending on the issue. If it seems I idolize him it's because I think he's the only candidate that will actually help young adults in our current situation.

Second, I'm not saying Biden would be a better choice than Hilary. I'm rebutting your argument that Biden is a bad choice on the premise of his performance in 08, despite Hilary getting whooped by Obama that same primary. This doesn't make Hilary a better potential candidate than Biden, which is your claim.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 04:15:25 PM

Also, even among Hilary voters, I don't know anyone actually excited to vote for her besides old people. Pretty much everyone else is completely meh. Maybe this is what we'll have to settle for in a post-Obama presidency because that 08 hype is never happening in this life time probably. Even those of us who admit flat out that we'll vote for Bernie in the primary and Hilary in the general, I don't see any actual excitement to do so. But more of a duty. It's like she's skirting the bare minimum of a Democratic candidate, where in the past, there was actual excitement about the candidate's ideas and shit. If anything, and I know this shows my (lack of) age because it was my first election, it reminds me of Kerry in that no one really cared about his ideas but more the fact he wasn't Bush. And he lost.

For Hilary, usually it's "She's not Trump" or "She's a woman, it's time." No real actual excitement.

Just a general observation.

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Post by: brob on March 01, 2016, 04:32:27 PM

https://twitter.com/gopfashionista/status/704755202692399105

get rekt random ass millennial

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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 04:40:49 PM

Hillary's fav/unfav are marginally better than Trump's. If elected, I expect her to be a one term President.

You can sit here and play dumb all day, Mandark, but she's been defined on a national stage for over 20 years. There's a lot of entrenched opinions about her, and no they're not based in reality but that shit doesn't matter when you let everyone vote.

You gonna sit here and tell me you're 100% comfortable with someone with her track record on the stupid Iraq War vote and subsequent waffling/refusing to admit it's a mistake, and then involvement in the Libyan debacle as commander in chief?

:gurl

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 04:43:53 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 04:01:08 PM

despite Hilary getting whooped by Obama that same primary

She didn't exactly get whooped (won the popular vote, came up just shy in elected delegates), and that was with her campaign not even fucking knowing how delegates were allocated for nearly three months.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 04:44:47 PM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2008_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

Let's not pretend that Hillary's performance vs. Obama in '08 was anything like Biden's.  He got 1% in Iowa then dropped out.  The fact that Hillary wrapped up so much support among Congressional Democrats shows that almost nobody was holding their breath to see if Biden announced.

He wouldn't have been able to compete with Hillary in terms of endorsements, volunteers, or fundraising, and he wouldn't have been able to differentiate himself as the more liberal candidate like Sanders did or Warren could've.  Plus he has an actual record of campaigning where he's done much, MUCH worse than Hillary.  There's basically no reason to believe he would've been a stronger, more viable candidate for the nomination.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 04:45:47 PM

Quote from: octopushover on March 01, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

gritting your teeth to vote for hillary is such a dramatic farce.

i swear, the longer your election cycle goes on the more insane you all are. it's an election, not a reality show.

(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MV895_botwt0_M_20160301111859.jpg)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 04:48:52 PM

Her views on intervention trouble me but at the same time there are things we don't know. We don't know how much of her past views on intervention were bluster to up her foreign policy credentials and "look strong," for instance. Perhaps as president she would be more cautious and realistic.

I'm not worried about Hillary starting a war with Iran, re-invading Iraq, implementing a no-fly-zone in Syria, escalating things with Russia, etc.  Her fp advisers are almost certainly going to be former Obama and Clinton people...not Bush veterans.

Will she do more dumb shit than Obama? Perhaps, probably. But I just don't buy the idea that she'll plunge the US into all types of interventions and disasters.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 04:51:12 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 04:40:49 PM

:gurl

If you want to read me criticizing Hillary, the GAF archives are that way, chief.

If you want me to pretend that her negatives make her a riskier GE prospect than Generic Democrat X with no national profile and yet to be subjected to a negative campaign?  Then you're basically asking me to forget that the 2004 election.  Which I don't feel the need to do, cause I didn't vote Nader.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 04:54:10 PM

Voting for Nader did far more damage than voting for Snyder. Just sayin'.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 04:54:41 PM

:yeshrug

My concerns with her have everything to do with how she'll govern and nothing to do with her ability to beat whatever lunatic the GOP ends up nominating (it will be Trump)

Yeah, I realize she's gotta get elected first, and yeah, major name recognition is a serious boost when running a national campaign

I'm just staking out the ability to laugh and say "told ya so" when she does something stupid like give the GOP chained CPI to get a budget passed

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 04:56:33 PM

Quote from: octopushover on March 01, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

gritting your teeth to vote for hillary is such a dramatic farce.

i swear, the longer your election cycle goes on the more insane you all are. it's an election, not a reality show.

Quote from: brob on March 01, 2016, 04:32:27 PM

https://twitter.com/gopfashionista/status/704755202692399105

get rekt random ass millennial

Okay, non-American.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 04:57:00 PM

That's fine and dandy, but my whole discussion on that page was about her as a candidate.

I swear, if you say anything positive about Hillary, even if it ain't normative, people start jumping up demanding you say some random bad thing about her to balance it out.  Calm down.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 05:07:02 PM

ADMIT THAT SHE PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK! ADMIT IT, YOU SHILL!

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:08:22 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 05:07:02 PM

ADMIT THAT SHE PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK! ADMIT IT, YOU SHILL!

do it,breh

I'll concede you got good points, mandark. And I halfway agree and then see videos like what Brob posted. Idk.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:12:20 PM

Mods, I just looked on Yougov today and found out that Bernie voted for the '94 crime bill.  What gives?

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Post by: brob on March 01, 2016, 05:21:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:12:20 PM

Mods, I just looked on Yougov today and found out that Bernie voted for the '94 crime bill.  What gives?

I previously posted this article by Michelle Alexander (http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/) in this thread, but I didn't drag out any quotes so I think no none ended up reading it. It's mainly about Hillary being shit, but also how the Bern isn't good enough

Quote from: Michelle Alexander

This is not an endorsement for Bernie Sanders, who after all voted for the 1994 crime bill. I also tend to agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates that the way the Sanders campaign handled the question of reparations is one of many signs that Bernie doesn’t quite get what’s at stake in serious dialogues about racial justice. He was wrong to dismiss reparations as “divisive,” as though centuries of slavery, segregation, discrimination, ghettoization, and stigmatization aren’t worthy of any specific acknowledgement or remedy.

But recognizing that Bernie, like Hillary, has blurred vision when it comes to race is not the same thing as saying their views are equally problematic. Sanders opposed the 1996 welfare-reform law. He also opposed bank deregulation and the Iraq War, both of which Hillary supported, and both of which have proved disastrous. In short, there is such a thing as a lesser evil, and Hillary is not it.

The biggest problem with Bernie, in the end, is that he’s running as a Democrat—as a member of a political party that not only capitulated to right-wing demagoguery but is now owned and controlled by a relatively small number of millionaires and billionaires. Yes, Sanders has raised millions from small donors, but should he become president, he would also become part of what he has otherwise derided as “the establishment.” Even if Bernie’s racial-justice views evolve, I hold little hope that a political revolution will occur within the Democratic Party without a sustained outside movement forcing truly transformational change. I am inclined to believe that it would be easier to build a new party than to save the Democratic Party from itself.

(I believe the justification for Sanders voting for the crime bill was that it was packaged with some violence against women bill, or something to that effect. Sanders has been very critical of it, tho more so in the 90s than more recently iirc)

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:23:06 PM

Pretty bad. The fact he champions the poor while voting for that bill is pretty bad. But even Bill has renounced that bill (lol) and most agree it was a mistake. I'm sure, if asked, Sanders too would agree it was a mistake and his record would pretty much speak on that. But still, it's bad. But it's wise to remember at the time, that bill was heavily supported by many black politicians, shooting themselves in the foot. So I'm not exactly sure what your point is beyond trying to be disingenuous, and in 2016, you definitely see Sanders supporting it or the prison industrial complex. He learned his lesson.

The question is: has Hilary?

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on March 01, 2016, 05:30:24 PM

for reference, Jake Sullivan, one of the orchestrators of the Iran nuclear deal last year, also happens to be Hillary's most important foreign policy advisor

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:34:31 PM

Quote from: brob on March 01, 2016, 05:21:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:12:20 PM

Mods, I just looked on Yougov today and found out that Bernie voted for the '94 crime bill.  What gives?

I previously posted this article by Michelle Alexander (http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-peoples-votes/) in this thread, but I didn't drag out any quotes so I think no none ended up reading it. It's mainly about Hillary being shit, but also how the Bern isn't good enough

Quote from: Michelle Alexander

This is not an endorsement for Bernie Sanders, who after all voted for the 1994 crime bill. I also tend to agree with Ta-Nehisi Coates that the way the Sanders campaign handled the question of reparations is one of many signs that Bernie doesn’t quite get what’s at stake in serious dialogues about racial justice. He was wrong to dismiss reparations as “divisive,” as though centuries of slavery, segregation, discrimination, ghettoization, and stigmatization aren’t worthy of any specific acknowledgement or remedy.

But recognizing that Bernie, like Hillary, has blurred vision when it comes to race is not the same thing as saying their views are equally problematic. Sanders opposed the 1996 welfare-reform law. He also opposed bank deregulation and the Iraq War, both of which Hillary supported, and both of which have proved disastrous. In short, there is such a thing as a lesser evil, and Hillary is not it.

The biggest problem with Bernie, in the end, is that he’s running as a Democrat—as a member of a political party that not only capitulated to right-wing demagoguery but is now owned and controlled by a relatively small number of millionaires and billionaires. Yes, Sanders has raised millions from small donors, but should he become president, he would also become part of what he has otherwise derided as “the establishment.” Even if Bernie’s racial-justice views evolve, I hold little hope that a political revolution will occur within the Democratic Party without a sustained outside movement forcing truly transformational change. I am inclined to believe that it would be easier to build a new party than to save the Democratic Party from itself.

(I believe the justification for Sanders voting for the crime bill was that it was packaged with some violence against women bill, or something to that effect. Sanders has been very critical of it, tho more so in the 90s than more recently iirc)

Yeah, I read that. I agree with it full stop. My support of Bernie isn't that I think he'll fix things 100%, especially race-wise. He's after all, a democratic socialist. I don't agree with democratic socialists. But he's the closest thing to my ideology. For me, Bernie is the lesser evil and the fastest way to recovery. Not that he's a cure all. One of Bernie's biggest failings is his over emphasis on Wall Street and income inequality, which is very common in many left circles and especially Brocialists who think the disparities between different races is a purely economic one and not a societal one. Bernie fits that to a tee. Need I remind you it was me who defended BLM from protesting his rallies while everyone else whitesplained how it was a bad move because "he's the best shot you have." Still feel the same way.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:35:00 PM

brob: I actually did read that article.  I felt the "black people were tricked into voting for Clinton cause he played the sax on Arsenio" was as ignorant and condescending, in its way, as Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright browbeating young women about Hillary.

Mods: That's the thing, though.  If we're going to make allowances for the social and political context of the time (and we should!) then we have to extend that understanding to everyone involved, not just whomever we're currently supporting.

jake: I think the nuclear deal is the most underrated political... thing of the last five years.  That's pretty reassuring news.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 05:35:33 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 05:07:02 PM

ADMIT THAT SHE PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK! ADMIT IT, YOU SHILL!

You don't punch seals, you barbarian, you club them. 

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:36:34 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on March 01, 2016, 05:30:24 PM

for reference, Jake Sullivan, one of the orchestrators of the Iran nuclear deal last year, also happens to be Hillary's most important foreign policy advisor

Thanks for reminding me of that. Pretty big TIL here.

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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 01, 2016, 05:37:32 PM

My last worry about Hillary is that she'll go some third way triangulation. Whether or not she would in some parallel universe doesn't matter - she knows that's completely untenable and a non-starter with the modern nihilist GOP.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:37:49 PM

Quote from: Michelle Alexander

In practice, however, he capitulated entirely to the right-wing backlash against the civil-rights movement and embraced former president Ronald Reagan’s agenda on race, crime, welfare, and taxes—ultimately doing more harm to black communities than Reagan ever did.

This is just wrong, though.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 05:38:04 PM

I don't support Sanders but my general  view is

1) No one is perfect, especially in government, and senators tend to have some votes we disagree with.

2) I think people are forgetting that crime was a major issue in the 90s, people were scared and politicians tend to buck to panics (see: ebola a couple years ago, ISIS now). I'm not justifying it, but it's a required context for the issue.

Ultimately I agree with Alexander's general point: yes both fucked up, but Clinton has considerably more fuck ups, enough in fact to call her entire career into question.

There's also some sexism in here somewhere IMO. Hillary doesn't get the same passes people are willing to give Joe Biden, for instance. Yes Biden is more "likable" and personable but still, every time I see Sanders fans discussing candidates I run into a lot of "I would have supported Biden if he ran and Sanders wasn't running" talk.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:40:00 PM

I'm starting to think that Hilary probably won't be so bad if she treats it like Obama's third term or something and in 2020 we (somehow) have a more progressive candidate.

So she's like a transitional wrestling champion. The champ you don't want but the champ you need to get to-I'm ending this analogy now.

Her recent stance on TPP is hopeful but I think it was crafted purely to garner more votes from the left. Who knows what President Clinton will do but that doesn't matter because Obama plans on signing it before that even happens.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:43:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 05:38:04 PM

There's also some sexism in here somewhere IMO. Hillary doesn't get the same passes people are willing to give Joe Biden, for instance. Yes Biden is more "likable" and personable but still, every time I see Sanders fans discussing candidates I run into a lot of "I would have supported Biden if he ran and Sanders wasn't running" talk.

Biden isn't running for president. Continuing from our dialogue last page, I do think I'd have as much to complain about (sorry *bows*) if he were running as well. I wouldn't support Biden, but I'd vote for him like I'm voting for Hilary. A lot of Sanders supporters don't even know what they're supporting and are full of shit.

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Post by: brob on March 01, 2016, 05:46:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:35:00 PM

brob: I actually did read that article.  I felt the "black people were tricked into voting for Clinton cause he played the sax on Arsenio" was as ignorant and condescending, in its way, as Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright browbeating young women about Hillary.

I posted it again now only because it mentioned Sanders voting on the crime bill, but the main thrust of the article wasn't so interesting to me as the bit I quoted above. The grassroots effort to carry forth an individual leader figure seems misguided when the goal is placing them within the existing machine of US top level politics, u kno?

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Post by: Rufus on March 01, 2016, 05:50:28 PM

On that point, is there hope of the US un-fucking its voting system so that more than two parties become viable again? It seems everyone who's politically matured (don't ask me whatever that means) accepts that the game is played a certain way and that strategic voting is the smart(er) thing to do.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2016, 05:51:23 PM

Quote from: Rufus on March 01, 2016, 05:50:28 PM

On that point, is there hope of the US un-fucking its voting system so that more than two parties become viable again? It seems everyone who's politically matured (don't ask me whatever that means) accepts that the game is played a certain way and that strategic voting is the smart(er) thing to do.

no fucking chance

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:52:34 PM

Quote from: Rufus on March 01, 2016, 05:50:28 PM

On that point, is there hope of the US un-fucking its voting system so that more than two parties become viable again? It seems everyone who's politically matured (don't ask me whatever that means) accepts that the game is played a certain way and that strategic voting is the smart(er) thing to do.

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Post by: Rufus on March 01, 2016, 05:53:17 PM

Figured as much. :fbm

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Post by: Dickie Dee on March 01, 2016, 05:58:03 PM

I've really put little emotion into the Dem primary, to me Sanders was just never happening so it was just a question of inevitability/standing against the impending GOP clownshow. I didn't begrudge anyone who put their faith and energy behind him (except those that just started talking duummmmb)

He may have even shifted the Overton window (great!)

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:58:19 PM

Rufus, fifteen years ago I woulda been on board, but I really don't think a multiparty system gives you more progressive or less corrupt politics than a two-party system.

Any governing coalition is going to need >50% of the voters* and you're going to wind up having to caucus with groups that only support parts of your own beliefs or agenda.  If we had a multiparty system, the true believer social democrats get what, 10-15%.  At which point you're trying to make alliances with blacks, latinos, moderate white liberals, maybe some unionized working-class white people... and hey, it's the Democratic Party!  Welcome back, fellas!

Our problems come less from the system failing to represent the people than from the system representing the people accurately.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:59:56 PM

In the last hundred years, only two third-party presidential candidates have won any states.

Both of them were campaigning on a platform of explicit, government-sanctioned racial segregation.



edit: and if benji comes in here with some "in 1960 some unpledged delegates voted for Harry Byrd" I swear to God...

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2016, 06:02:24 PM

Hillary and Bernie are both the worst.

Vote Rocky De La Fuente.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Roque_Picture.png)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 06:05:40 PM

The two party system is too ingrained, all the way down to county commissioners on the state level. It would be nigh impossible to change. Maybe if there was some type of perfect independent candidate - the modern equivalent of Dwight Eisenhower popularity wise - maybe someone could begin changing things. But that's fantasy land talk.

One of the few things that rustles my jimmies: people who refuse to vote because the two party system is "corrupt" or both parties are the same. All it takes is a couple minutes of probing them to realize they simply haven't thought any of this out, and they don't care. A multi-party system wouldn't change basic math principles: ie you need a majority of 100 to govern. And getting to 51 would mean various groups aligning with groups that may not even support some of their core principles.

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Post by: Rufus on March 01, 2016, 06:06:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:59:56 PM

In the last hundred years, only two third-party presidential candidates have won any states.

Both of them were campaigning on a platform of explicit, government-sanctioned racial segregation.



edit: and if benji comes in here with some "in 1960 some unpledged delegates voted for Harry Byrd" I swear to God...

Well isn't that just wonderful... :goty2

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:40:00 PM

I'm starting to think that Hilary probably won't be so bad if she treats it like Obama's third term or something and in 2020 we (somehow) have a more progressive candidate.

Why do you think she won't try to do 8 years?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 06:11:41 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 01, 2016, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:40:00 PM

I'm starting to think that Hilary probably won't be so bad if she treats it like Obama's third term or something and in 2020 we (somehow) have a more progressive candidate.

Why do you think she won't try to do 8 years?

You can't be president while you're in prison.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:12:13 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:35:00 PM

brob: I actually did read that article.  I felt the "black people were tricked into voting for Clinton cause he played the sax on Arsenio" was as ignorant and condescending, in its way, as Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright browbeating young women about Hillary.

You're mistaken. She's not saying because Bill played sax on Arsenio that black people voted for him. She's deconstructing the "first black president myth", and it's a good place to start.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:13:04 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 01, 2016, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:40:00 PM

I'm starting to think that Hilary probably won't be so bad if she treats it like Obama's third term or something and in 2020 we (somehow) have a more progressive candidate.

Why do you think she won't try to do 8 years?

I think she will. I'm hoping someone better comes along in 2020 really.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 06:13:56 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 06:05:40 PM

A multi-party system wouldn't change basic math principles: ie you need a majority of 100 to govern. And getting to 51 would mean various groups aligning with groups that may not even support some of their core principles.

Not just that, but in a two-party system you know upfront who you're caucusing with.

If you were a center-left voter in the UK and supported the Lib Dems a while back, you would've had to watch them align with and prop up a Conservative-led coalition government.  At which point you've already cast your ballot.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 01, 2016, 06:15:45 PM

The two party system is here to stay.  But that doesn't mean it will always be Republicans and Democrats – at least not how the parties exist today.  Both parties will change, the name will stay the same.

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Post by: brob on March 01, 2016, 06:18:35 PM

the two party isn't the biggest issue imo given the way special interests are able to impact legislation (http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9354310). Working some magicks to undo the lobby system would be a much bigger deal. 

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 06:19:22 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:12:13 PM

You're mistaken. She's not saying because Bill played sax on Arsenio that black people voted for him. She's deconstructing the "first black president myth", and it's a good place to start.

Nah, she's saying that black support of the Clintons is due entirely to optics, and black people who vote for Hillary are "getting played."  White people had their own version of this argument (see Thomas Frank's "What's The Matter With Kansas?") and it's condescending as hell.

She also says that the Clinton administration basically just continued Reagan's policies, and were much more destructive towards the black community.  That's just wrong.  She takes what ought to be a solid premise and chooses to be really dishonest about it.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:20:16 PM

Caucuses are dumb. To be honest, our political system needs changing from how we vote to when we can vote. Our system is fucked. Look up Alabama's racist voter id laws, Rufus. Also, keep in mind that more options doesn't necessarily mean they're all viable. In the UK, despite six options, conservatives and labor parties amassed over 60% of the vote. Right now America would do better having a shift left wards politics-wise, as well as making it easier to vote. Those are the primary things we need to concentrate on. More options doesn't mean much when an ever increasingly voting public aren't even allowed to vote.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:24:22 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 06:19:22 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:12:13 PM

You're mistaken. She's not saying because Bill played sax on Arsenio that black people voted for him. She's deconstructing the "first black president myth", and it's a good place to start.

Nah, she's saying that black support of the Clintons is due entirely to optics, and black people who vote for Hillary are "getting played."  White people had their own version of this argument (see Thomas Frank's "What's The Matter With Kansas?") and it's condescending as hell.

She also says that the Clinton administration basically just continued Reagan's policies, and were much more destructive towards the black community.  That's just wrong.  She takes what ought to be a solid premise and chooses to be really dishonest about it.

Given the amount of devotion i've seen from family members, I do think some are getting played. Many are voting for her because they think it'll be the second coming of the 90's. Certainly, some black Hilary voters are definitely getting played. Not all. It depends on why you're voting for her more than anything.

I agree with the second point but still find the article useful in arguing away the black fealty to clinton administration.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 06:28:39 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 06:19:22 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:12:13 PM

You're mistaken. She's not saying because Bill played sax on Arsenio that black people voted for him. She's deconstructing the "first black president myth", and it's a good place to start.

Nah, she's saying that black support of the Clintons is due entirely to optics, and black people who vote for Hillary are "getting played."  White people had their own version of this argument (see Thomas Frank's "What's The Matter With Kansas?") and it's condescending as hell.

She also says that the Clinton administration basically just continued Reagan's policies, and were much more destructive towards the black community.  That's just wrong.  She takes what ought to be a solid premise and chooses to be really dishonest about it.

You're supposed to sit down, be quiet, and let her tell you what's what. Don't be a problematic ally.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 06:50:12 PM

I mean, I'm sure there are a ton of black people supporting Hillary who aren't hyper-informed on the issues, who have unrealistic expectations of what she could do, who have whitewashed some of her past politics.  But the same could be said of supporters of any candidate.

The EITC, SCHIP, WIC funding, the FMLA, the civil rights bureau of the justice department, the effort to open the military to gay soldiers, the defense of federal AA programs, these aren't nothing.  Older black folk mostly remember Bill and Hillary Clinton being on their side during the political battles of the 90's, and generally they're not wrong.  It's not to say they didn't fail or concede ground in those or other areas, or that activists should ever stop pressuring elected officials. 

But when you're looking to persuade, it's best to try to start from a place of actual understanding and listening, rather that dismissing or pathologizing those you disagree with.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 07:33:05 PM

Sounds like Clinton is blowing Sanders out in Appalachia. There was some talk on him making gains there...nope.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 07:37:25 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 06:50:12 PM

I mean, I'm sure there are a ton of black people supporting Hillary who aren't hyper-informed on the issues, who have unrealistic expectations of what she could do, who have whitewashed some of her past politics.  But the same could be said of supporters of any candidate.

The EITC, SCHIP, WIC funding, the FMLA, the civil rights bureau of the justice department, the effort to open the military to gay soldiers, the defense of federal AA programs, these aren't nothing.  Older black folk mostly remember Bill and Hillary Clinton being on their side during the political battles of the 90's, and generally they're not wrong.  It's not to say they didn't fail or concede ground in those or other areas, or that activists should ever stop pressuring elected officials. 

But when you're looking to persuade, it's best to try to start from a place of actual understanding and listening, rather that dismissing or pathologizing those you disagree with.

I can agree with that. :obama

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2016, 07:41:20 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 06:50:12 PM

But when you're looking to persuade, it's best to try to start from a place of actual understanding and listening, rather that dismissing or pathologizing those you disagree with.

:supergay :supergay :supergay

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 07:43:46 PM

Disclaimer: It's probably trivially easy to check my internet commenting history and make me a horrible hypocrite on that last point.

But, um... #thedualities?  :yeshrug

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Post by: curly on March 01, 2016, 07:53:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 02:09:03 PM

If Hillary were a bad candidate, she wouldn't be cruising to the nomination right now.  Real talk.

(http://e.huffpost.com/screenshooter/elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/embed/ss2/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating/20160302005056084.png)

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 07:57:25 PM

That's a myth going around saying that she doesn't gain support over time, but actually loses it.

Any data to back that up?

It's a common argument and something I had in mind when I said she's a bad candidate for the DNC.

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Post by: thisismyusername on March 01, 2016, 08:01:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 07:33:05 PM

Sounds like Clinton is blowing Sanders out in Appalachia. There was some talk on him making gains there...nope.

People aren't ready for socialism.  :ussrcry

It pisses me off that some of Bernie's policies like vacation days, minimum wage raising, paternity leave and the like for work in the US simply isn't going to be done by the other candidates. I don't expect Clinton (or Trump) to combat outsourcing and other issues like that.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 01, 2016, 08:01:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 07:33:05 PM

Sounds like Clinton is blowing Sanders out in Appalachia. There was some talk on him making gains there...nope.

It pisses me off that some of Bernie's policies like vacation days, minimum wage raising, paternity leave and the like for work in the US simply isn't going to be done by the other candidates. I don't expect Clinton (or Trump) to combat outsourcing and other issues like that.

It really is a shame.

A lot of people say bernie's policies are too big to get made, as if more vacation days, a higher minimum wage, paternity leave, and making election day a holiday are completely impossible.

We need all of these things.

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Post by: mormapope on March 01, 2016, 08:07:32 PM

Having all the convenience in the world at the palm of your hand while being completely miserable is a status quo many Americans don't question.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 08:14:24 PM

(http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/spzchdnjfeqe5rnewjnqng.png)

Starts low cause of obscurity, goes up as she becomes first lady, goes down as she's associated with Hillarycare and general Clinton backlash, way up as she becomes sympathetic during the Lewinsky scandal, back down when she runs for Senate, back up a bit as people start to really hate GWB, down during the primary campaign, a big sustained high when she's Secretary of State and is "above the fray," and down again when she's running.

Basically it's a function of what her public role is at the time.  If she's not mixing it up in partisan politics than more people admire her.  If she's running for office, Republicans will remember they hate her, and she'll pick up disapproval from the supporters of her rival.  You could see some of the same with her husband, where he was well over 60% before and after the 2008 elections, but dropped about ten points when he was helping campaign.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 08:18:21 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 05:07:02 PM

ADMIT THAT SHE PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK! ADMIT IT, YOU SHILL!

I notice that Mandark hasn't done this....

just saying

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Post by: Syph on March 01, 2016, 08:20:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 02:55:38 PM

Quote from: Syph on March 01, 2016, 02:49:44 PM

thinks money grows on trees

tell ya boy marco

:jawalrus

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 08:29:50 PM

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Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 08:33:00 PM

Quote from: Rufus on March 01, 2016, 05:50:28 PM

On that point, is there hope of the US un-fucking its voting system so that more than two parties become viable again? It seems everyone who's politically matured (don't ask me whatever that means) accepts that the game is played a certain way and that strategic voting is the smart(er) thing to do.

The two parties would have to agree to reduce their influence. Their privileged position is often written into the law. That's one area they agree on. Both parties are the same.

On the non-Presidential front, Independents or "Third Parties" have won gubernatorial elections in Alaska (1990 and 2014), Connecticut (1990), Maine (1994 and 1998...Angus King who also won one of Maine's Senate seats in 2012 as an Independent), Minnesota (1998...Jesse Ventura), and Rhode Island (2010...Lincoln Chafee) in the last 25 years.

I think that's the more likely event for a third party considering those are often won on state issues, easier to fund, and for some reason people never seem to feel like they're throwing their vote away on Governor like they do President. Even though the former is more likely to intentionally poison their water supply.

One of the more interesting Senate races was when William F. Buckley's brother James Buckley won election to the Senate as a member of the New York Conservative Party in 1970 (39%), knocking off the Democratic candidate (37%) and the incumbent (24%) who was running as the Republican Party and Liberal Party candidates. (Rudy won his elections as mayor of NYC on a Republican/Liberal ticket, with the Conservatives running another candidate. But New York allows fusion tickets. In any other state Rudy's "Liberal" votes would not have counted towards his total.)

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 05:59:56 PM

In the last hundred years, only two third-party presidential candidates have won any states.

Both of them were campaigning on a platform of explicit, government-sanctioned racial segregation.

edit: and if benji comes in here with some "in 1960 some unpledged delegates voted for Harry Byrd" I swear to God...

1924 not in the last hundred years confirmed

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Post by: brawndolicious on March 01, 2016, 08:35:02 PM

Dayum looks like Trump even got Georgia away from Rubio. And it looks like Hillary might win everything besides Vermont (Mass is too close to call).

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 08:35:55 PM

KINKY FRIEDMAN: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_gubernatorial_election,_2006

EDIT:

Quote

Bell also won the Latino vote with 41%, while Perry got 31%, Strayhorn got 18% and Friedman got 4%.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 08:36:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 08:33:00 PM

1924 not in the last hundred years confirmed

Of course it'd be fuckin' Wisconsin

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 08:44:38 PM

Perot did beat out one of the two main party candidates in Maine (Bush) and Utah (Clinton) in 1992.

La Follette also beat out Davis in California, Idaho, Iowa, Minnesota, Montana, Nevada, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Washington and Wyoming.

1924 has a fun county map:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/1924nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg/500px-1924nationwidecountymapshadedbyvoteshare.svg.png)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 08:50:18 PM

Fox News is projecting a win in Virginia for Trump, which would effectively end Rubio's campaign, but nobody else has called it just yet.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 01, 2016, 08:51:35 PM

Is there some movement to elect trump as a prank or is America really so fucking stupid and just want to vote in the guy from the tv?

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 08:51:48 PM

AP just called Virginia too.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 08:55:40 PM

84% reporting in VA, Trump 36-Rubio 31-Cruz 17.

Trump beating the shit out of Cruz and Rubio in Georgia with ~20% in, 45-23-20.

Cruz 32-Trump 31-Rubio 24 in OK. 50-41 Sanders.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 08:56:22 PM

You know, I have a sick fascination with destruction and disaster. I watch Fail Army videos, videos with stuff blowing up, weather disasters, and just generally want to see the effects of something big and unexpected. It's not a healthy fascination, I understand that, but it is what it is. And, deep down, a small part of me wants Trump to win just to see how grotesque his time in office truly is.

But you know what? I really, really hope Trump doesn't get any closer to the White House than he already is.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 08:58:13 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 01, 2016, 08:51:35 PM

Is there some movement to elect trump as a prank or is America really so fucking stupid and just want to vote in the guy from the tv?

Here's my take.

1) He got a lot of free press. A LOT. CNN broadcasting his uninterrupted campaign rallies etc.

2) Other candidates attacked each other instead of him, cause they didn't take him seriously.

3) Four other candidates are STILL in the race siphoning off votes from each other. He's winning some states with 35%.

4) We got a bunch of racists in this country.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 08:59:50 PM

https://twitter.com/alanalevinson/status/704847918382129152

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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 01, 2016, 09:00:33 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 08:56:22 PM

But you know what? I really, really hope Trump doesn't get any closer to the White House than he already is.

While I never thought he was a lock, I never thought he was completely out of it like alot of people did for the nomination.

Rich person basically saying America Rocks and every other country sucks isn't that out of line with what republicans are. It's just basically turned up to 11.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 09:01:40 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 06:13:04 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 01, 2016, 06:07:17 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 05:40:00 PM

I'm starting to think that Hilary probably won't be so bad if she treats it like Obama's third term or something and in 2020 we (somehow) have a more progressive candidate.

Why do you think she won't try to do 8 years?

I think she will. I'm hoping someone better comes along in 2020 really.

Sitting presidents are hardly ever challenged though. 

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 09:03:35 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 01, 2016, 09:01:40 PM

Sitting presidents are hardly ever challenged though.

Just posting to preempt benji's inevitable tangent on Reagan/Ford, Kennedy/Carter, Buchanan/Bush, etc.

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Post by: Vertigo on March 01, 2016, 09:04:23 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 01, 2016, 08:51:35 PM

Is there some movement to elect trump as a prank or is America really so fucking stupid and just want to vote in the guy from the tv?

Nope people seem to be serious about voting for him. And I think it's gone well past him just being from the TV his tapping into some real discontent.

Just wish it was in a more deserved direction.

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Post by: curly on March 01, 2016, 09:04:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 08:58:13 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 01, 2016, 08:51:35 PM

Is there some movement to elect trump as a prank or is America really so fucking stupid and just want to vote in the guy from the tv?

Here's my take.

1) He got a lot of free press. A LOT. CNN broadcasting his uninterrupted campaign rallies etc.

2) Other candidates attacked each other instead of him, cause they didn't take him seriously.

3) Four other candidates are STILL in the race siphoning off votes from each other. He's winning some states with 35%.

4) We got a bunch of racists in this country.

Economic populism seems to be a pretty important factor too. Trump is giving poor Republicans something they're not getting from any of the mainstream candidates.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 09:10:36 PM

OK called for Cruz.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 09:12:19 PM

That will be enough to keep Cruz afloat for a little while longer, but he's going to be very far behind after Super Tuesday.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 09:14:39 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 09:03:35 PM

Just posting to preempt benji's inevitable tangent on Reagan/Ford, Kennedy/Carter, Buchanan/Bush, etc.

Lincoln Chafee was about to announce his anti-war campaign for the 2004 GOP Nomination when Saddam got captured.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

OK called for Sanders too. Some of those black newspapers must have gotten up north.

 :rejoice

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Post by: Syph on March 01, 2016, 09:21:46 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 08:50:18 PM

Fox News is projecting a win in Virginia for Trump, which would effectively end Rubio's campaign, but nobody else has called it just yet.

i reserve my right to cry until the 15th when the florida fiasco becomes a reality
until then it's still Rubio 2016 baby

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 09:31:06 PM

Rubio is finished on March 15th (Florida).

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 09:39:08 PM

omg Christie has the "I've made a huge mistake" face as he introduces Trump  :lol

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 09:53:58 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 09:19:12 PM

OK called for Sanders too. Some of those black newspapers must have gotten up north.

 :rejoice

:lol

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Post by: tiesto on March 01, 2016, 10:01:49 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/02/29/rubio_and_cruz_are_the_real_monsters_liberals_should_be_rooting_for_trump_and_hell_be_easier_to_beat_come_november/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Agreed totally with this.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 10:12:37 PM

Trump refused to deny an endorsement from a former KKK member. On a scale of monsterdom, balancing them is stupid. They're all monsters; trump is just the most popular one.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 01, 2016, 10:20:13 PM

I don't even think Ron Paul evangelicals went off the deep end like this

(http://i.imgur.com/KEu3lfT.png)

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:24:33 PM

What would any politician saying "I don't accept [X's] endorsement" get them exactly though? How many endorsements that aren't major politicians/celebrities do they exactly tout as accepting in the first place?

Trump's list (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016) is arguably the best.

https://twitter.com/REAL_SPREWELL15/status/694296666946424832  :lol

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:24:42 PM

That's photoshopped from a picture posted to Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/vdkr1/selfshot_mirror_pic/) over 3 years ago.

Took like three clicks to figure out that was fake.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 10:26:14 PM

I knew Mary Tyler Whore was a part of the establishment. Six figure making motherfucker

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:28:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:24:33 PM

What would any politician saying "I don't accept [X's] endorsement" get them exactly though? How many endorsements that aren't major politicians/celebrities do they exactly tout as accepting in the first place?

Do you actually not understand what's going on, or are you pretending to not understand as a way of making a point?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 10:34:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:24:42 PM

That's photoshopped from a picture posted to Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/WTF/comments/vdkr1/selfshot_mirror_pic/) over 3 years ago.

Took like three clicks to figure out that was fake.

Well look at Mr. Killjoy over here. 

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:35:09 PM

Don't worry, I'm not about to start fact-checking the pictures you post.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:38:10 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:28:37 PM

Do you actually not understand what's going on, or are you pretending to not understand as a way of making a point?

Donald Trump stating "I don't accept David Duke's endorsement, or any other racists or bigots" doesn't mean David Duke, racists and all-purpose bigots still aren't endorsing and supporting Trump. Nor does it mean Trump isn't a white supremacist that agrees with them 100%. As proof, I have their endorsements of him, he's just playing politics by rejecting their endorsements.

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 01, 2016, 10:34:11 PM

Well look at Mr. Killjoy over here.

Mr. Killjoy actually wasn't happy about murders.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2016, 10:38:19 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:35:09 PM

Don't worry, I'm not about to start fact-checking the pictures you post.

According to Tom Six, they're 100% medically accurate.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:41:55 PM

so that's making a point then

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:44:02 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:41:55 PM

so that's making a point then

Sorry your queen could only steal 7 of 11 states from The People.

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Post by: Syph on March 01, 2016, 10:44:31 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2016, 10:38:19 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:35:09 PM

Don't worry, I'm not about to start fact-checking the pictures you post.

According to Tom Six, they're 100% medically accurate.

i'm ben carson and my hands approve this message

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:45:27 PM

pd, tell benji about the kkk and why they're generally frowned upon

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 10:48:45 PM

https://vine.co/v/igHFKFWVDnO

"...I've just made a huge mistake."

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 10:48:53 PM

speaking of which
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/704875239675707393
:whoo

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:50:38 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:45:27 PM

pd, tell benji about the kkk and why they're generally frowned upon

And stating you reject their or their members or their former members endorsements should matter why? It's not like he's rejecting the reasons he's getting their endorsement.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 10:48:45 PM

https://vine.co/v/igHFKFWVDnO

"...I've just made a huge mistake."

Would also work with Curb's music.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 10:53:21 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 10:48:53 PM

speaking of which
https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/704875239675707393
:whoo

The whole "Yeah, well, the KKK was originally founded by Democrats!" line is so incredibly disingenuous and ignorant of the last 75 years of American history.

At least he didn't trot out the rotting corpse of Robert Byrd like someone else whose name I can't remember did, as if a man who was left the KKK in the 40's and spent much of the rest of his life denouncing his membership in the group and what they stood for has anything in common with friggin' David Duke.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:54:13 PM

so you really don't understand why anyone would want a politician to distance themselves from the kkk

cool

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:57:39 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 10:53:21 PM

The whole "Yeah, well, the KKK was originally founded by Democrats!" line is so incredibly disingenuous and ignorant of the last 75 years of American history.

Even worse, there was more than one Klan! I'd be more concerned about the Zombie Klan from Reconstruction than the modern one personally. For one, they're the Klan. Also, they're zombies.

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:54:13 PM

so you really don't understand why anyone would want a politician to distance themselves from the kkk

cool

I don't know why they would buy or accept it as meaning anything. It doesn't change why they were attracted to him in the first place or continue to be attracted to him. Or change whether or not he's bigoted.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 10:58:21 PM

Remember when people (including Clinton) used the same playbook on Obama/Farrakhan?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJkU1e-_r3w

That's how you handle having your name tied to bigots. Trump pretended to not know who David Duke was, as if to give a wink to racists on the eve of southern states.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 11:01:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 10:58:21 PM

Remember when people (including Clinton) used the same playbook on Obama/Farrakhan?

That's how you handle having your name tied to bigots. Trump pretended to not know who David Duke was, as if to give a wink to racists on the eve of southern states.

But, Obama refused to reject his support. And he's overly defensive there, trying to distance himself despite the clear support from Farrakhan. It makes me think he has something to hide. Especially the fact he's a Muslim.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 11:03:32 PM

Obama kept his promise too. 8 years ago Mandark would have never liked one of my posts.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 11:09:11 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/01/seven-nj-newspapers-call-christie-resign/81168876/

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Six New Jersey newspapers issued a joint editorial Tuesday calling on Gov. Chris Christie to resign in the wake of his failed presidential campaign and his subsequent endorsement of rival Donald Trump.

The six newspapers including the Asbury Park Press, the Cherry Hill Courier-Post and the Morristown Daily Record — all Gannett-owned papers that are part of the USA TODAY NETWORK — were apparently spurred to editorial outrage by a Monday press conference in which Christie refused to answer questions about anything other than his nomination of a state Supreme Court judge. Asked why, Christie replied, "Because I don't want to."

"We’re fed up with Gov. Chris Christie’s arrogance," the papers wrote. "We’re fed up with his opportunism. We’re fed up with his hypocrisy."

The joint editorial notes that Christie spent part of 261 days out of state last year and traveled out of state to endorse Trump and campaign with him after he quit the race Feb. 10.

"For the good of the state, it’s time for Christie to do his long-neglected constituents a favor and resign as governor. If he refuses, citizens should initiate a recall effort," the editorial said.

http://www.app.com/story/opinion/editorials/2016/03/01/chris-christie-resign-recall/81162824/

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What an embarrassment. What an utter disgrace.

We’re fed up with Gov. Chris Christie’s arrogance.

We’re fed up with his opportunism.

We’re fed up with his hypocrisy.

We’re fed up with his sarcasm.

We’re fed up with his long neglect of the state to pursue his own selfish agenda.

We’re disgusted with his endorsement of Donald Trump after he spent months on the campaign trail trashing him, calling him unqualified by temperament and experience to be president.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 11:09:57 PM

Thank god because I ran out of offensive stuff years ago and have been pretty much relying on photoshop since. 

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 11:10:05 PM

Quote

Ben Carson is staying in the race for the Republican nomination even though his campaign admits that it's not clear at all that Carson has a viable path to victory, and they don't have a plan to win.

"Well, we clearly don't know. We don't have a well defined path to victory," Carson campaign chairman Bob Dees told the Washington Examiner Tuesday in an interview. "But we think the opportunity still exists for people to wake up and that's what we're hoping."

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 11:11:46 PM

"this question will not give us the final answer on a candidate's policies or how they truly feel or why their constituency likes them" i mean no shit bro we all get that already

you're not gonna make me voxsplain this shit to you f'real are you?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 11:19:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 11:03:32 PM

Obama kept his promise too. 8 years ago Mandark would have never liked one of my posts.

Mandark liked one of my posts the other day and, not going to lie, I swooned.

Also he should know that for years I have been calling him Mandrake in my head and assume he went though a D&D phase in his early life because of this mistake.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 11:21:36 PM

I kinda wish Oscar would come back cause this sorta thing used to be aimed at him and I'm not 100% comfortable with it.

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 11:22:10 PM

Yeah, because I must really be missing the point here. Why wouldn't bigots attract bigots to their candidacy? It's not like they can exactly support Cruz, Rubio or Carson and stay true to the American Race.

And I really don't see why I should change my opinion on Trump because he rejects (either honestly or not) a group that supports him, and doesn't change anything about why he's attracting their support.

David Duke endorsing "but not endorsing" Trump doesn't change whether or not Trump personally accepts it.

Same goes for Russert's bullshit in the clip.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 01, 2016, 11:30:09 PM

Not being 100% comfortable is pretty normal since there is always that discomfort at the start, Mandrake.

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Post by: Mods Help on March 01, 2016, 11:34:50 PM

So are you a big dexters lab fan? Always wanted to ask that

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 11:41:44 PM

I picked this name on a whim when I wanted to chat on IGN's IRC room.  It was semi-obscure, and I think the TV movie they did had come out recently.  Also I was probably subliminally identifying with the character cause I saw myself as smart (and have a big forehead).

Feel like I should have changed it to something more clever with better SEO years ago, but I've built brand equity with this, dammit.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on March 01, 2016, 11:42:56 PM

Goddamnit, I am so sad that Rubio actually won a state.

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Post by: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 11:43:59 PM

Short answer on why the David Duke "matters."

It's an asymmetric question, of which there are lots in politics.  It takes on importance only when the candidate gives the nonstandard answer.

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Post by: Syph on March 01, 2016, 11:44:16 PM

I am now pleased to project Rubio 2016
Pleasure doing business

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Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 11:56:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 11:43:59 PM

Short answer on why the David Duke "matters."

It's an asymmetric question, of which there are lots in politics.  It takes on importance only when the candidate gives the nonstandard answer.

I guess it just seems to imply a notion to me that if Trump did give the standard answer and overtly reject the support then his nativist campaigning is somehow more acceptable because he's drawn a line where he won't change his positions but will state his dislike of certain people supporting his positions.

Like an inverse of all the Bernie people trotting out Killer Mike and Nina Turner as some kind of defense against their candidate being an actual Klan member.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 12:01:59 AM

https://vine.co/v/igH3wW1Khe9

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Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 12:07:26 AM

Quote from: Politico.com

Clinton's new problem: How to let Bernie down easy

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Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 12:11:35 AM

Quote from: Syph on March 01, 2016, 11:44:16 PM

I am now pleased to project Rubio 2016
Pleasure doing business

Quote

Marco Rubio's top campaign adviser huddled with roughly 40 bundlers and K Streeters Tuesday morning to prepare them for a difficult primary election night—as well as to brief them on the campaign's plan for what to do next.

Quote

Not everyone who attended left the meeting thinking the campaign had a workable plan to dethrone Trump as the party's expected nominee.

"It was a presentation that defied reality," said one Rubio backer. "They said their convention strategy was not contingent on winning any states... Even if you go to the [second ballot] why would anyone say Marco Rubio is the guy to give it to?"

:stahp

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 12:18:52 AM

Well, I don't think anyone's said that if Trump rejects the KKK it exculpates him from any charges of racism*.  But he's a candidate who's been running a really nativist, anti-immigration campaign and who's pretty disdainful of existing political norms.  It's fair to poke at just how far that goes, and to make a bit of a ruckus if he doesn't take the easy option of saying "David Duke? Nah, guy's an asshole, I don't need his support."

Also there's probably a not-completely-trivial amount of people who could be sympathetic to Trumps immigration policy while still seeing the KKK as a bridge too far.  There's gradations to this shit.

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*When he gets the nomination there will probably be a bunch of people frantically trying to make this argument.

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 12:20:23 AM

I think you're getting trolled bro.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 12:23:23 AM

Nah, benji's legit got some :doge in him.

First discussion I remember having with him on here was "Why don't black people just defect to the GOP for one cycle for better leverage?"  This was, as you could expect, rather early in the Obama presidency or maybe even before it.  Hard to ask that with a straight face these days.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Sausage on March 02, 2016, 12:44:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 01, 2016, 10:50:38 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 01, 2016, 10:45:27 PM

pd, tell benji about the kkk and why they're generally frowned upon

And stating you reject their or their members or their former members endorsements should matter why? It's not like he's rejecting the reasons he's getting their endorsement.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2016, 10:48:45 PM

https://vine.co/v/igHFKFWVDnO

"...I've just made a huge mistake."

Would also work with Curb's music.

https://vine.co/v/igH3wW1Khe9

whoops PD already posted

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 12:56:03 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 12:20:23 AM

I think you're getting trolled bro.

I wish. I seriously don't see why saying every time you're asked that you're rejecting David Duke's non-endorsement endorsement would trump your continued overtly and highly nativist campaign.

He can't pull what Obama did. He doesn't disagree with Duke on the particular reasons given by Duke to support him other than the wording and maybe the extent. Obama claimed he disagreed and condemned Farrakhan views. 

Besides, Trump already did this five months ago:

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08/26/15 06:55 PM EDT Updated 08/27/15 01:02 AM EDT
Donald Trump says he isn’t interested in the endorsement of David Duke, the anti-Semitic former Ku Klux Klan leader who praised the GOP presidential hopeful earlier this week on his radio show.

“I don’t need his endorsement; I certainly wouldn’t want his endorsement,” Trump said during an interview with Bloomberg’s Mark Halperin and John Heilemann. He added: “I don’t need anyone’s endorsement.”

Asked whether he would repudiate the endorsement, Trump said “Sure, I would if that would make you feel better.”

And part of the kerfluffle is due to Trump dropping out of the Reform Party because of Duke and Buchanan's nativist campaign in that party. So Trump apparently lied about not knowing who Duke is.

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On Feb. 26, Trump held a press conference to announce the endorsement of New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie. With Christie at his side, Trump was asked how he felt about receiving Duke’s support. “I didn’t even know he endorsed me,” Trump said, clearly irritated by the question. “David Duke endorsed me? OK. Alright. I disavow. OK?”

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Trump was again asked about Duke in a Feb. 28 interview on CNN’s State of the Union by anchor Jake Tapper.

Tapper, Feb. 28: "I want to ask you about the Anti-Defamation League, which this week called on you to publicly condemn unequivocally the racism of former KKK grand wizard David Duke, who recently said that voting against you at this point would be treason to your heritage. Will you unequivocally condemn David Duke and say that you don’t want his vote or that of other white supremacists in this election?"

Trump: "Well, just so you understand, I don’t know anything about David Duke. OK? I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists. So, I don’t know."

Trump went on to say that he did not want to condemn any groups until he knew something about them. He told Tapper to “give me a list of the groups” and he would review them. But Tapper returned to Duke.

Tapper: "OK. I mean, I’m just talking about David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan here, but…"

Trump: "I don’t know any — honestly, I don’t know David Duke. I don’t believe I have ever met him. I’m pretty sure I didn’t meet him. And I just don’t know anything about him."

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Trump, who conducted his State of the Union interview remotely from Florida, blamed a bad earpiece for his refusal to disavow Duke and condemn his politics during his interview with Tapper. Trump said he could “hardly hear what [Tapper] was saying.”

I mean, what the fuck. Why is David Duke even an issue? Alex Jones has openly endorsed Trump, a show Trump went on regularly last year. So has Michael Savage, a show Trump goes on regularly still. Yet that's considered within the acceptable bounds? But Duke supporting Trump and Trump fucking up his response this time he got asked suddenly matters?

Forget it, I'm probably trashing up the thread now because I don't think there's a way I can "get" this.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 12:58:09 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 12:23:23 AM

Nah, benji's legit got some :doge in him.

Some?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 01:03:51 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVnVyebjnf0

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 01:25:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 12:56:03 AM

I wish. I seriously don't see why saying every time you're asked that you're rejecting David Duke's non-endorsement endorsement would trump your continued overtly and highly nativist campaign.

Again, who said this?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 01:57:09 AM

Sure, that's fair talking about this thread. I don't want to accuse anyone in the thread on making that claim, I was more riffing off one of MH's posts mentioning it really.

To me, it seems pretty implicit in the media fretting over and coverage (and resulting commentary) of the should be nobody Trump hasn't embraced vs. not even noticing the nativist bigots he has. Often.

Comparing search results as a short-hand proxy:

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thehill.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 28,300 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 221 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 104 results

politico.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 33,300 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 128 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 74 results

msnbc.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 11,400 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 133 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 34 results

foxnews.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 3,020 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 209 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 39 results

talkingpointmemo.com:
"david duke" "donald trump" About 10,500 results
"alex jones" "donald trump" About 238 results
"michael savage" "donald trump" About 35 results

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I mean, none of the above sites have a single story on this from today:

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At the beginning of his radio show Tuesday, Michael Savage asked: “Donald, I want to put something to rest. I know you are the least racist person of all of the candidates. I know it from your employees. I know it from your history, but you’ve also been smeared continuously with this KKK garbage. And I know you’ve denounced it. Can you clearly say that you denounce this endorsement on ‘The Savage Nation’?”

Trump replied: “Yeah. Totally denounce, and I disavowed it, and I’ve disavowed it numerous times, and I’ve disavowed it on Twitter, and on Facebook, and all over the place but people refuse to accept it.”

Responded Savage, “Donald, I accept it because I know your history.”

Savage gets how many more listeners than Duke, says essentially all the same bullshit.

Trump's been on his program tens of times during his campaign. They're even talking about the hubbub!

And not to mention that none of the stories about Trump/Savage on those sites even get into the regular insane nativism and other views of Savage. Ones he's said and Trump's agreed with. But a has-been Klan member says Trump is the best of the candidates for "European Americans", and it's like a fucking dam broke in comparison.

But we don't need to further establish that I see things waaaaaaaay differently from everyone else here or mentally well people.

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*WHISTLE* TRYING TO DEFLECT!!!!

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 02:06:00 AM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 02, 2016, 01:59:21 AM

Don't mind Benji, it's the Ben Shapiro talking.

He got a new shirt (and YouTube home, TruthRevolt dumped him)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yX5dBzxKNOw

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbSoX5v4npg

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Shlomo Shekelstein3 days ago
>kikes don't like Trump

What else is new?
Reply 214

EDIT: http://www.dailywire.com/news/3783/anti-semites-are-out-force-trump-ben-shapiro

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: brawndolicious on March 02, 2016, 02:13:51 AM

Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do. Like trying to win in Iowa.

I don't think he was dumb enough not to care and maybe he really did have a hearing issue or just is getting senile which would explain a lot.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 02:23:57 AM

If I may try to boil down/paraphrase your points:

1) Certain figures, organizations, or viewpoints are considered outside the acceptable bounds of respectable discussion, while other, equivalently terrible figures, organizations, and viewpoints are tolerated and treated seriously.

2) Sometimes an underlying issue goes largely ignored for a long time, then suddenly receives a burst of attention, for what feel like arbitrary reasons.

3) The newsmedia, when reporting on or interviewing political candidates, will often focus on symbolic actions, sometimes myopically, rather than presenting a thorough, well-reported explanation of the context of a candidacy.


To which I say "yup."

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 02:34:25 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 02, 2016, 02:13:51 AM

Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do.

I get that. But I don't get why not condemning Duke more often and inartfully dodging it is newsworthy, while embracing Alex Jones and Michael Savage on the regular is not. If we're simply talking about crackpots on the radio. Especially in the case of Savage, who's maybe like 95% as nativist at best. Trump goes on his show every other week practically! Yet Duke merely talks about Trump and it matters? Do reporters only listen to David Duke's radio program for some reason?

Quote from: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 02:23:57 AM

rather than presenting a thorough, well-reported explanation of the context of a candidacy.

They don't even have to do that. Why not just ask him to repudiate Savage or something? That's not even a reach like the Duke thing is and it probably involves the candidate himself agreeing to something stupid since he's been on the show. Like being called the Winston Churchill of our time for wanting to ban Muslims or whatever nutty thing Savage has said this week.

That #1 paraphrase is true and just a weird thing to me. And even weirder when it's used positively. Like why is Bill Kristol still a thing.

Why Mandark? Why?

Answer all of these questions immediately!

Don't wait for the translation!

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2016, 02:44:03 AM

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ADMIT THAT HILLARY PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Oblivion on March 02, 2016, 02:46:51 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 02:34:25 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 02, 2016, 02:13:51 AM

Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do.

I get that. But I don't get why not condemning Duke more often and inartfully dodging it is newsworthy,

I think the problem is that Trump's recent hesitation in criticizing him meant that it was a sign that he's warming up to Duke and/or his supporters, thus rendering the fact that he did reject Duke a few months ago irrelevant.

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while embracing Alex Jones and Michael Savage on the regular is not. If we're simply talking about crackpots on the radio. Especially in the case of Savage, who's maybe like 95% as nativist at best. Trump goes on his show every other week practically! Yet Duke merely talks about Trump and it matters? Do reporters only listen to David Duke's radio program for some reason?

Definitely agree with this, though.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 02:52:49 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 02, 2016, 02:44:03 AM

AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD ADMIT THAT HILLARY PUNCHES BABY SEALS, MANDARK

Multiple responses to my unhinged moonbattery and yet he refuses to comment on this on this growing Middle America concern.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 02:57:42 AM

Two reasons in this particular case.

First, the KKK carries a meaning to millions of people who've never heard of Michael Savage or barely know anything about him.  It's pre-established in the popular imagination as evil without needing any explanation.

Second, which I think is bigger, Duke made his statement after a bunch of Republicans had resolved to go hard against Trump, and were looking for something to grab on to.  The Alex Jones interview was back when the other candidates were focused on each other, and a month and a half before even that National Review cover.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: brawndolicious on March 02, 2016, 02:58:09 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 02:34:25 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 02, 2016, 02:13:51 AM

Benji, condemning (official) white supremacists isn't meaningful at all in his case, but it serves as a ceremonial/optical thing that all candidates are supposed to do.

I get that. But I don't get why not condemning Duke more often and inartfully dodging it is newsworthy, while embracing Alex Jones and Michael Savage on the regular is not. If we're simply talking about crackpots on the radio. Especially in the case of Savage, who's maybe like 95% as nativist at best. Trump goes on his show every other week practically! Yet Duke merely talks about Trump and it matters? Do reporters only listen to David Duke's radio program for some reason?

Probably has to do with the size of the audience. If a few regular companies are still paying for ad time on Savage Nation or whatever, then journalists will feel like it's harder to pitch a simple story about how bad Trump's pal Michael Savage is.

But I'm guessing the KKK don't have a ton of corporate sponsors so that's an easy, breezy lemon-squeezy story.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 03:32:48 AM

David Duke says he's no longer a Klan member or white supremacist, but a racial realist. Checkmate, lieberals. :smug

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 03:37:25 AM

Huh, he's not even registered to vote.

Also, is "racial realist" a better or worse rebranding than "intelligent design"? "Crunchy conservative"?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 03:59:55 AM

Ted Cruz takes Alaska!

Delegates from tonight so far (total):

Code: [Select]

Trump 204 (285)
Cruz 140 (161)
Rubio 74 (87)
Kasich 19 (25)
Carson 3 (8)

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Baby Seal Puncher Shrillary 549 (1001)
Hope for America, Bernie 290 (371)


Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 04:14:14 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/politics/the-night-hillary-clinton-regained-her-020854315.html

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Hillary Clinton entered this presidential campaign last April as an overwhelming frontrunner and inevitable Democratic nominee. Tonight, she regained that status.

There was a lot of cheering at Clinton’s primary night party as results from the 12 states and territories that voted on Tuesday began to flash on the screen. Polls had indicated Clinton would do well today, and there were no surprises.

...

“By mid-March, our lead will be large enough that it will be effectively insurmountable — [it] won’t be mathematically impossible — but it will be effectively insurmountable,” the Clinton source said.

...

It was easy to forget in the wake of Sanders’ surge in the early-voting states, but this is how the race was always supposed to be for Clinton.

With her years of experience as a former first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of state, Clinton began this race almost as more of an incumbent than a White House hopeful. This time last year, polls showed Clinton with a lead that was, on average, more than 40 points ahead of all her likely rivals. But then America — and the Clinton campaign along with it — began to Feel the Bern.

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tariniparti/establishment-republicans-are-furious-with-john-kasich#.mgZaxdW0M

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On Tuesday night as return after return came in and Marco Rubio failed to break through, many establishment Republicans grew angrier that John Kasich was still in the race.

One of them was Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, who has become increasingly frustrated with Kasich behind closed doors, three sources told BuzzFeed News. In the coming days, McConnell will be urged to more aggressively try behind the scenes to push Kasich out, sources say. One of McConnell’s closest allies, Sen. Rob Portman of Ohio, is still backing Kasich.

McConnell has become frustrated with establishment Republicans’ inability to rally behind a single candidate as Donald Trump continues to march toward the Republican nomination. McConnell has indicated he will allow Senate candidates to run ads distancing themselves from Trump, according to the New York Times, which also first reported McConnell’s frustrations with Kasich. With the Senate majority on the line, several vulnerable Republicans would face an even harder path to re-election if Trump is at the top of the ticket.

Kasich’s presence in the race almost certainly damaged Rubio on Tuesday night. As of late Tuesday, Kasich took 9.4% of the vote in Virginia — a state where Rubio likely lost by five points or less. Kasich also took 18% of the vote in Massachusetts; the same as Rubio.

The Florida senator’s backers are livid that the Kasich’s showing in Virginia may have kept their candidate from winning and will continue to hurt them in upcoming primaries; Kasich has indicated he will not drop out until after Ohio, and may be aiming to stay in as long as it takes to be a Trump alternative.

A Senate GOP insider openly questioned in an interview with BuzzFeed News whether Kasich had some inside deal with Trump. “You have to believe Kasich has made a deal with the devil. Why else is he still in the race? Kasich needs to look GOP voters in the eye and tell us whether he has a deal — explicit or implicit — with Donald Trump for a spot on the ticket.”

Other Republicans echoed similar sentiments.

“I like John Kasich, but no one is doing more to elect Donald Trump than Kasich is right now,” said Curt Anderson, who previously ran Bobby Jindal’s campaign. Jindal has since endorsed Rubio.

“He will be in single digits in most states tonight, and there is no route to victory for him, regardless of what fiction [Kasich chief strategist] John Weaver tries to spin,” Anderson said. “If he stays in this race, Donald Trump will forever be in his debt.”

Republican insiders say prominent figures within the party are going to be putting more pressure on Kasich — and his supporters — in the coming days, with some even making public calls for him to drop out. Mitt Romney has already reportedly tried to push Kasich out of the race, to little avail.

“I’m sure Gov. Kasich is going to get some private calls, and if he doesn’t get out, those private calls will turn into public calls,” said Ryan Williams, a former Bush backer who worked for Romney in 2012.

Williams, who has worked for years in New Hampshire politics — a state where Kasich had his best showing — called the Ohio governor’s efforts a “vanity campaign at this point.”

“People should realize that a vote for Kasich at this point is a vote for Trump. It’s time for John Kasich to take a hint and read the handwriting on the wall.”

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And in a memo Tuesday night, Kasich’s campaign made the case that the Ohio governor had a better shot at the nomination than Rubio.

“Sen. Rubio has been more hyped than Crystal Pepsi, but he has flopped even worse,” the memo stated.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Dennis on March 02, 2016, 07:07:11 AM

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“Sen. Rubio has been more hyped than Crystal Pepsi, but he has flopped even worse,” the memo stated.

 :teehee

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Dennis on March 02, 2016, 07:17:19 AM

I want to see Trump mercilessly mock Roboto for his poor Super Tuesday showing in the next debate.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on March 02, 2016, 10:12:00 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 02, 2016, 03:43:46 AM

I wish Bernie fans would just let the dream die.

Yup. It's over. Went to reddit this morning and saw "DON'T BE DEFEATIST!"

Um

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 02, 2016, 10:30:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 01, 2016, 04:48:52 PM

Her views on intervention trouble me but at the same time there are things we don't know. We don't know how much of her past views on intervention were bluster to up her foreign policy credentials and "look strong," for instance. Perhaps as president she would be more cautious and realistic.

I'm not worried about Hillary starting a war with Iran, re-invading Iraq, implementing a no-fly-zone in Syria, escalating things with Russia, etc.  Her fp advisers are almost certainly going to be former Obama and Clinton people...not Bush veterans.

Will she do more dumb shit than Obama? Perhaps, probably. But I just don't buy the idea that she'll plunge the US into all types of interventions and disasters.

I'm catching up on a few days of posts, so sorry for coming in late with this, but she has definitely said she wants to implement no fly zones (http://insurgentsia.com/2016/02/07/both-hillary-and-bernies-plans-for-fighting-islamic-state-are-problematic/) in Syria.

Also, I'm glad to see Oklahoma embracing its socialist roots.

(http://i.imgur.com/k4p4sD9.png)

Second edit: The Libya intervention, which has turned Libya into a lawless failed state with no real government and a sizable Islamic State subsidiary, while certainly Obama's decision, was heavily influenced by Hillary. She is a person who, by her own admission, would rather be "caught trying" than do nothing when it comes to intervention. Here's more on that:

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/02/28/us/politics/hillary-clinton-libya.html

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 01:14:23 PM

The decision to intervene in Libya bothers me a lot less than the one to invade Iraq, just because I'd expect a civil war (already in progress) to wind up being vastly destructive and chaotic with or without US involvement.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 01:51:00 PM

Honestly I'd stand by my view that I don't believe she would implement it. NFZ support is largely a way for politicians to look "strong" on foreign policy without committing to anything of actual realistic consequence. Hillary was demanding NFZ when Russia was flying missions over the country. Does anyone think Hillary Clinton would authorize shooting down Russian planes, or put herself in a position to be dared to do it by Putin refusing to comply?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Dennis on March 02, 2016, 02:03:27 PM

Romney speech tomorrow.

Hopefully his endorsement of Rubio will be just the kiss of death he needs.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 02, 2016, 02:26:27 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 02, 2016, 01:14:23 PM

The decision to intervene in Libya bothers me a lot less than the one to invade Iraq, just because I'd expect a civil war (already in progress) to wind up being vastly destructive and chaotic with or without US involvement.

I doubt you could find many that disagree, but I think hope-believing that Hillary isn't as interventionist as she has been in the past or says she will be in the future is a little out of touch.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2016, 02:29:30 PM

Quote from: Dennis on March 02, 2016, 02:03:27 PM

Romney speech tomorrow.

Hopefully his endorsement of Rubio will be just the kiss of death he needs.

Is #Romney2016 trending yet? It's not too late Mitt, you can still do it! (lol)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 02:41:41 PM

more fodder for Benji :doge

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Donald Trump’s oldest son gave a 20-minute interview last weekend to a radio host who once wrote that slavery is the best thing that ever happened to African-Americans.

James Edwards — who is host of a radio show called “Political Cesspool” that has hosted leaders of the Ku Klux Klan, Holocaust deniers and neo-Nazis — spoke with Donald Trump Jr. in an interview that will air Saturday, according to a recent blog post.

Edwards once wrote, “For blacks in the Americas, slavery is the greatest thing that ever happened to them. Unfortunately, it’s the worst thing that ever happened to white Americans,” Edwards wrote on his blog, citing a piece he said he read in the Jamaican Observer, however, the link he provided did not work.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/donald-trump-son-pro-slavery-host-interview-220120#ixzz41mCG9L4m

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 02, 2016, 02:49:28 PM

Carson to drop out Friday:

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Ben Carson, the retired neurosurgeon who briefly led the Republican presidential race before his campaign began an extended public implosion, told his supporters in a statement Wednesday afternoon that he does not see a “path forward” and will not attend Thursday’s debate in Detroit.

Carson, however, did not formally suspend his campaign. Instead, he said in the statement that he has decided to make a speech about his political future on Friday at the Conservative Political Action Conference in Maryland, just outside Washington.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ben-carson-to-tell-supporters-he-sees-no-path-forward-for-campaign/2016/03/02/d6bef352-d9b3-11e5-891a-4ed04f4213e8_story.html

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 02, 2016, 02:55:42 PM

Friday?

so he's going to stick around for the Thursday debate for just what, shits and giggles? Or one last chance for discursive sleep-talking in front of a wide audience?

edit: me fail at reading

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 02, 2016, 02:59:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdC3ETaiOHc&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2016, 03:00:28 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 02, 2016, 02:55:42 PM

Friday?

so he's going to stick around for the Thursday debate for just what, shits and giggles? Or one last chance for discursive sleep-talking in front of a wide audience?

He said somewhere that he wasn't going to attend the debate.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 02, 2016, 03:03:15 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2016, 03:00:28 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 02, 2016, 02:55:42 PM

Friday?

so he's going to stick around for the Thursday debate for just what, shits and giggles? Or one last chance for discursive sleep-talking in front of a wide audience?

He said somewhere that he wasn't going to attend the debate.

Maybe his campaign gets paid through the week, gets a weekend off finally, and then comes back next week for the clean-up?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Mods Help on March 02, 2016, 03:10:10 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

interesting.

hate this sentence though,"twenty percent said Lincoln shouldn't have freed the slaves" as if we are still slaves.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: james on March 02, 2016, 04:02:14 PM

Any Predictit tips for the next week?

Im noticing huge swings but no polls to justify them.

And no one has a fucking clue about Puerto Rico. I wouldnt be surprised if Kasich takes it

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 05:33:17 PM

I put $10 in just to see how it works and to be cautious. I bet on Trump being the nominee (about 4$) and Clinton winning the White House (about $6). My gain was around a dollar yesterday, now it's 38 cents. Now that it seems safe I'll throw some bigger bills on Clinton.

Kind of tempted to buy Rubio winning the nomination lol...

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 02, 2016, 06:24:59 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 02, 2016, 03:10:10 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

interesting.

hate this sentence though,"twenty percent said Lincoln shouldn't have freed the slaves" as if we are still slaves.

 ???

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 06:28:45 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 02, 2016, 03:10:10 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11127424/trump-authoritarianism

interesting.

hate this sentence though,"twenty percent said Lincoln shouldn't have freed the slaves" as if we are still slaves.

1. That 20% thing comes from a YouGov poll (not PPP) that got savaged...and also had like 5% of blacks as opposed to emancipation.

A.

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Last September, a PhD student at the University of Massachusetts Amherst named Matthew MacWilliams realized that his dissertation research might hold the answer to not just one but all three of these mysteries.

MacWilliams studies authoritarianism — not actual dictators, but rather a psychological profile of individual voters that is characterized by a desire for order and a fear of outsiders.

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As it turns out, MacWilliams wasn't the only one to have this realization. Miles away, in an office at Vanderbilt University, a professor named Marc Hetherington was having his own aha moment. He realized that he and a fellow political scientist, the University of North Carolina's Jonathan Weiler, had essentially predicted Trump's rise back in 2009, when they discovered something that would turn out to be far more significant than they then realized.

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Authoritarians are thought to express much deeper fears than the rest of the electorate, to seek the imposition of order where they perceive dangerous change, and to desire a strong leader who will defeat those fears with force. They would thus seek a candidate who promised these things.

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Even Hetherington was shocked to discover quite how right their theory had been. In the early fall of 2015, as Trump's rise baffled most American journalists and political scientists, he called Weiler. He asked, over and over, "Can you believe this? Can you believe this?"

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What we found is a phenomenon that explains, with remarkable clarity, the rise of Donald Trump

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After an early period of junk science in the mid-20th century, a more serious group of scholars has addressed this question, specifically studying how it plays out in American politics: researchers like Hetherington and Weiler, Stanley Feldman, Karen Stenner, and Elizabeth Suhay, to name just a few.

The field, after a breakthrough in the early 1990s, has come to develop the contours of a grand theory of authoritarianism, culminating quite recently, in 2005, with Stenner's seminal The Authoritarian Dynamic — just in time for that theory to seemingly come true, more rapidly and in greater force than any of them had imagined, in the personage of one Donald Trump and his norm-shattering rise.

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According to Stenner's theory, there is a certain subset of people who hold latent authoritarian tendencies. These tendencies can be triggered or "activated" by the perception of physical threats or by destabilizing social change, leading those individuals to desire policies and leaders that we might more colloquially call authoritarian.
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Authoritarians prioritize social order and hierarchies, which bring a sense of control to a chaotic world. Challenges to that order — diversity, influx of outsiders, breakdown of the old order — are experienced as personally threatening because they risk upending the status quo order they equate with basic security.
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When they face physical threats or threats to the status quo, authoritarians support policies that seem to offer protection against those fears.

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The second was Stenner's theory of "activation." In an influential 2005 book called The Authoritarian Dynamic, Stenner argued that many authoritarians might be latent — that they might not necessarily support authoritarian leaders or policies until their authoritarianism had been "activated."

This activation could come from feeling threatened by social changes such as evolving social norms or increasing diversity, or any other change that they believe will profoundly alter the social order they want to protect. In response, previously more moderate individuals would come to support leaders and policies we might now call Trump-esque.

Other researchers, like Hetherington, take a slightly different view. They believe that authoritarians aren't "activated" — they've always held their authoritarian preferences — but that they only come to express those preferences once they feel threatened by social change or some kind of threat from outsiders.

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The third insight came from Hetherington and American University professor Elizabeth Suhay, who found that when non-authoritarians feel sufficiently scared, they also start to behave, politically, like authoritarians.

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Together, those three insights added up to one terrifying theory: that if social change and physical threats coincided at the same time, it could awaken a potentially enormous population of American authoritarians, who would demand a strongman leader and the extreme policies necessary, in their view, to meet the rising threats.

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The first thing that jumped out from the data on authoritarians is just how many there are. Our results found that 44 percent of white respondents nationwide scored as "high" or "very high" authoritarians, with 19 percent as "very high." That's actually not unusual, and lines up with previous national surveys that found that the authoritarian disposition is far from rare

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Authoritarianism was the best single predictor of support for Trump, although having a high school education also came close.

political science research errybody always re-"discovering" what it already knew and always, always using the NES data for everything :doge

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: brob on March 02, 2016, 06:43:43 PM

vox always get me rustled with their breathless 101 community college explainers smh

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 06:51:31 PM

MSNBC has been whitewashed: Melissa Harris-Perry exits, buffoonish white pundits rule once more
MSNBC sidelines smartest voice in name of "hard news," gives us unending Scarborough idiocy, lying Brian Williams (http://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/msnbc_has_been_whitewashed_melissa_harris_perry_exits_buffoonish_white_pundits_rule_once_more/)

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When MSNBC cut ties with host Melissa Harris-Perry over the weekend, one network executive described her as a “challenging and unpredictable personality.”

You can see why MSNBC’s brass might see things this way. When the network stripped Harris-Perry’s team of editorial control, she could have taken it in stride, counting herself lucky to be one of the few black women to host a news show. She could have brushed it off when MSNBC regularly pre-empted her weekend slot for two more hours of mind-numbing 2016 blather. She could have continued to wait patiently to hear from network executives after a month of unreturned emails and phone calls, just as she did when MSNBC summoned her to the Iowa caucuses only to bench her the entire time.

Instead, Harris-Perry violated a cardinal rule for minorities who want to get ahead in a world controlled by old white dudes like NBC chairman Andy Lack and MSNBC president Phil Griffin: She spoke up for herself.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 07:01:42 PM

I seem to remember MSNBC having a similar policy in 2008 and 2012 in terms of interrupting morning programming for election season coverage.

BTW Perry is also the one who claimed you shouldn't use the term "hard worker" because it's offensive to slaves.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Trent Dole on March 02, 2016, 07:03:31 PM

It's pretty much going to be Drumpf/Shillary at this point, isn't it? They've both got some crazy baggage. Wonder who can swing the masses over to them more or if this'll be like 2000 where only half the populace bothers to show up at the polls and the true winner is none of the above.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOwesWn3vU4

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 07:52:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 07:01:42 PM

I seem to remember MSNBC having a similar policy in 2008 and 2012 in terms of interrupting morning programming for election season coverage.

BTW Perry is also the one who claimed you shouldn't use the term "hard worker" because it's offensive to slaves.

#nerdland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKjwe-bMl7Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDFnrNtqAjo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfCy1nOVK9k

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In 2012, just as Harris-Perry was leaving Princeton after being denied a full professorship, West gave a pretty unhinged interview in Diverse magazine, saying about her, "She's become the momentary darling of liberals, but I pray for her because she's in over her head. … She's a fake and a fraud. I was so surprised how treacherous the sister was."* He went on to say, “I have a love for the sister but she is a liar and I hate lying.” West, who himself is out of control in so many ways, called her second book, Sister Citizen “wild and out of control” and added, “there’s not a lot of academic stuff with her just a lot of twittering.”
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And people I spoke to from her Princeton days did not want to be quoted about it. But from a dozen interviews with her colleagues at the time, a fairly consistent picture emerged. The consensus among her fellow professors was that Sister Citizen, which is about stereotypes used to describe black women, was not sufficiently scholarly by Princeton standards. Her colleagues considered it a work of popular sociology that synthesized concepts that were already well known in African-American feminist thought.

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At Princeton, the more Harris-Perry went on TV the more she became estranged from her colleagues. They described arguments over hires, over teaching loads, and over actual politics. Harris-Perry identified strongly with the rise of Obama but more radical members of the African-American studies department remained skeptical that he would stay true to the cause. When in 2011 she came up for a vote for full professorship, the African-American studies department voted unanimously against her. (At the political science department, the majority abstained from voting.)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 08:02:29 PM

The one about the GOP is the good joke in the Romney clip. :lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 08:43:55 PM

How have I not seen the Star Wars clip
:dead

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 08:44:10 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/politics/hillary-clinton-voter-turnout.html

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Some Democrats now worry that Mrs. Clinton will have difficulty matching the surge in new black, Hispanic, and young voters who came to the polls for President Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012.

“Barack Obama without that surge is John Kerry,” said Cornell Belcher, a Democratic pollster who worked on Mr. Obama’s re-election campaign, referring to the losing Democratic nominee in 2004. “Just turning out the traditional minority base is not a 51 percent pathway going into November.”

In three precincts of Virginia’s Third Congressional District, the heart of the state’s African-American community, where overwhelming black turnout in 2008 helped Mr. Obama win the state, turnout was down by an average of almost 30 percent on Tuesday night. The district includes most of Richmond and Petersburg, as well as Newport News and Norfolk, Va.

In Nevada, exit polls suggest that Hispanic voters — who have helped push the once deeply Republican state toward Democrats in national elections — voted in significantly lower numbers than in 2008.

Even Mrs. Clinton’s strong victory in South Carolina, which was celebrated for her dominance among African-American voters, obscured a big decline in black turnout of about 40 percent. In Iowa, where Mrs. Clinton eked out a narrow win after a hotly fought battle last month with Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, exit polls suggested that turnout for voters under the age of 30 dropped by roughly 40 percent from 2008.

Meanwhile, on Morning Joe (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQD864CGKIY)...

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JOE SCARBOROUGH: The fact of the matter is that you know there is no historical precedent with someone doing as well as Candidate Trump did yesterday — winning New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada, [losing the nomination] has never happened before, and as you know there is a momentum, a forward progress–

BILL KRISTOL: Right, so we have to stop the momentum, I totally agree.

SCARBOROUGH: So that’s my question. There’s no cheering here. I am looking at facts.

KRISTOL: To your credit, you have correctly seen that this was not going to be the historically normal year, and it’s not, so maybe we go–

SCARBOROUGH: So how do you beat him?

KRISTOL: You have to beat him in Florida and Ohio, the first two winner-take-all states, which means there has to be a de facto agreement between the opposition candidates — between the resistance to Trump, which I am proud to be a part of, because I think he’d be a terrible nominee and a terrible president…

SCARBOROUGH: You have the authority to broker that deal right now?

KRISTOL: Well, they need to. They need to defer to Rubio in Florida and probably to Kasich in Ohio, and say, or imply, that if you are a Cruz voter in Ohio, and if you look up the day before the primary and it’s Trump 42%, Kasich 35% — vote for Kasich. And the truth is if Trump doesn’t win Florida and Ohio, it remains very much of an open race. …

Donald Trump [so far] has 35% of the popular vote and 47% of the delegates. That’s a lot better than having 24% of the popular vote and 25% of the delegates, granted. …

JOHN HEILEMANN: Just to go a little further on this topic of what Bill’s advocating: As you talk more and more to Republicans, who will say to you privately and sometimes publicly, that they would rather vote for Hillary Clinton than for Donald Trump, [these are the] people who are going to try to stop him — their attitude is: We know that would happen at a contested convention if we took the nomination away from a Donald Trump [who has won through] a plurality of delegates.

What would happen is that we would likely alienate his supporters and we would likely lose the presidential election. But their position is that it would be better for us to lose the [general] election than to have Donald Trump tear the Party in half as the nominee.

Now you can say that’s suicidal, but that is the posture of people [worried] about the negative effects down ballot.

KRISTOL: And [Trump] would still lose the election. And shouldn’t win the election, So, yeah, I agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgSeX5gwsd0

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 08:46:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 08:43:55 PM

How have I not seen the Star Wars clip
:dead

Good luck with that.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 02, 2016, 09:08:10 PM

primary turnout doesn't matter
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/02/01/how_much_does_voter_turnout_matter_112990.html

Hillary doesn't need a surge, given demographic shifts in the country.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Dennis on March 02, 2016, 09:35:01 PM

Fox News Chief: "We can't do the Rubio thing anymore."

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In his role as the donor class's darling, Marco Rubio has enjoyed support from the Republicans' media arm, Fox News. Throughout the primary, Fox provided Rubio with friendly interviews and key bookings, including the first prime-time response to Barack Obama's Oval Office address on ISIS. Many of the network's top pundits, including Stephen Hayes and Charles Krauthammer, have been enthusiastic boosters. Bill Sammon, Fox's Washington managing editor, is the father of Rubio's communications director, Brooke Sammon.

But this alliance now seems to be over. According to three Fox sources, Fox chief Roger Ailes has told people he's lost confidence in Rubio's ability to win. "We're finished with Rubio," Ailes recently told a Fox host. "We can't do the Rubio thing anymore."

Ailes was already concerned about Rubio's lackluster performance in GOP primaries and caucuses, winning only one contest among the 15 that have been held. But the more proximate cause for the flip was an embarrassing New York Times article revealing that Rubio and Ailes had a secret dinner meeting in 2013 during which the Florida senator successfully lobbied the Fox News chief to throw his support behind the "Gang of 8" comprehensive immigration-reform bill. "Roger hates seeing his name in print," a longtime Ailes associate told me. "He was appalled the dinner was reported," the source said.

Already, there are on-air signs that Fox's attitude toward Rubio has cooled. This morning, anchor Martha MacCallum grilled Rubio about his poor Super Tuesday performance. "Is that a viable excuse at this point?" she asked, when he tried spinning his second-place finish in Virginia.

Fox's corporate support of Rubio has also been a growing source of tension with the network's more conservative talent. Sean Hannity was furious that the Times article reported how he went along with Rubio's immigration proposal. During an interview with Trump on Monday, Hannity barely defended Fox while Trump trashed Rubio backers like Hayes. "He shouldn't be on the air," Trump said. The best Hannity could muster was to change the subject. "Have you ever watched MSNBC?" he said. "They suck."

Ailes is now back to searching for a candidate the channel can rally behind. "He's thinking, What do we do about the whole damn thing?" one of the news executive's friends said.

Fox News spokesperson Irena Briganti did not return a call for comment.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/marco-rubio-just-lost-fox-news.html

topkek

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Syph on March 02, 2016, 09:48:26 PM

 :beli

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2016, 10:03:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/rsktvyw.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 02, 2016, 10:26:56 PM

Yes.  For fucks sake, yes

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 02, 2016, 10:41:40 PM

I'm late to it, but Taibbi's article on Trump was brilliant. This little nugget tickled me.


It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 11:00:09 PM

Now the Democrats are going to need to find a compromise candidate to save them at the Convention:

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The Justice Department has granted immunity to a former State Department staffer, who worked on Hillary Clinton’s private email server, as part of a criminal investigation into the possible mishandling of classified information, according to a senior law enforcement official.

The official said the FBI had secured the cooperation of Bryan Pagliano, who worked on Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign before setting up the server in her New York home in 2009.

Maybe Mitt Romney can run on both tickets? Romney/Rubio vs. Romney/Biden

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Sad!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2016, 11:36:47 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 02, 2016, 10:41:40 PM

I'm late to it, but Taibbi's article on Trump was brilliant. This little nugget tickled me.


It turns out we let our electoral process devolve into something so fake and dysfunctional that any half-bright con man with the stones to try it could walk right through the front door and tear it to shreds on the first go.

I liked this one

"Like autoerotic asphyxiation, supporting Donald Trump is an activity many people prefer to enjoy in a private setting, like in a shower or a voting booth."

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 02, 2016, 11:39:23 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 02, 2016, 10:26:56 PM

Yes.  For fucks sake, yes

Trump, Cruz, and Rubio make Romney look like FDR.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2016, 11:50:46 PM

(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/20dd1df2ad6405f7e7d4c6ffd10edbef1814959d/c=303-968-2231-2417&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/03/01/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635924527151855139-DFP-Republican-primary-poll-CHART-PRESTO.jpg)(http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/1850c8009bc3d6b2cc33d6af154ccda66b62baf5/c=329-981-2242-2419&r=x408&c=540x405/local/-/media/2016/03/01/DetroitFreePress/DetroitFreePress/635924554650795685-DFP-Republican-primary-MUSLIM-CHART-PRESTO.jpg)

Weird thing is nobody is polling the Flint stuff anymore. Or the Snyder recall.

Also, EPIC-MRA is run by a guy named Bernie Porn. I just felt you should know.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2016, 11:59:58 PM

Sadly, Bernie Porn was the not the most searched for term on Pornhub in any of the Super Tuesday states.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 12:04:02 AM

Who will Snyder endorse :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2016, 12:18:11 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2016, 11:59:58 PM

Sadly, Bernie Porn was the not the most searched for term on Pornhub in any of the Super Tuesday states.

I think that term is going to start delivering different results from how it did say two years ago...

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 12:04:02 AM

Who will Snyder endorse :doge

He said he was going to endorse this week about a month ago, but last week he said the Flint crisis is taking his priority and so won't. :teehee

Though he did suggest it wouldn't have been Trump.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 12:25:56 AM

Jamelle Bouie says a lot of the stuff I was getting at re: Clinton/Sanders and black voters on his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/jbouie).

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 03, 2016, 12:34:23 AM

Quote from: brob on March 02, 2016, 06:43:43 PM

vox always get me rustled with their breathless 101 community college explainers smh

I always feel this way about subjects I am well-versed in, but then am secretly thankfully when I'm reading one on a topic I don't know much about. They serve a purpose.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2016, 12:58:52 AM

I don't particularly begrudge the voxsplainers even if I think they're nearly all terrible short-sighted research, but I think a lot of the ones they do to be "timely" are not only worse than just looking something up on wikipedia but ignore what's supposed to be different about them. Also, they don't seem to assign them to their best or supposedly most knowledgeable writers more than half the time. So it often is just re-written wikipedia entries.

Most importantly, never forget "40 maps that explain Europe" or whatever featuring a picture of a boat.

And the breathless earnestness of some articles is just offensive. Never do they actually "explain" anything and provide the "context." But that's mostly just holding them to their unrealistic standards and proclamations of the announcement, like with fellow site Polygon. They couldn't even really articulate then why it'd be different or revolutionary.

Ezra: Democratic voters want an experienced politician. Good thing they have two of them. (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11143506/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-experience)
Watch Samantha Bee embarrass a Texas lawmaker who doesn’t know how abortion works (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11139022/samantha-bee-abortion-texas)
Ezra: Obama's chief strategist on how a Democrat could beat Trump (http://www.vox.com/2016/3/1/11139822/obama-trump-david-axelrod)
John Oliver has the Donald Trump takedown America has been waiting for (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/29/11132366/john-oliver-donald-trump-last-week-tonight)

Ezra's big piece this week is kinda emblematic.
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/1/11144614/super-tuesday-republican-party-broken

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Political parties, at their core, exist to do something simple: help their voters make good decisions by helping them decide whom to trust.

That function is necessary and important in a world as complex as ours. No normal human being can understand everything from trade relations with China to nuclear deals with Iran to insurance market regulation. Political parties are supposed to simplify those choices by directing us to politicians who share our values, our hopes, our dreams.

A political party's power to deliver on its mission comes from its credibility with voters. And the Republican Party has clearly, undeniably lost credibility with its base. The winner of Super Tuesday, on the Republican side, is Trump. The second-place finisher is Ted Cruz — the only politician Republican elites arguably hate more than Trump.

This is Republican voters rejecting the judgment — and thus the purpose — of the Republican Party, or at least of the elites who currently comprise what we think of as the Republican Party.

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I was on a call with a White House official once, asking why the administration didn't do this or that obvious thing. I've never forgotten his reply. Look, he said, we may have gotten it wrong. But all those things were considered and rejected by smart people who are way better at this stuff than you or me. It's almost never the case that there's an obvious right answer and everyone else was just too dumb to do the obvious thing until a bunch of pundits pointed it out.

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This is how parties veto. They send signals. They mobilize their influencers. They use the media. Their most prominent politicians speak out. They make sure the party faithful know that this isn't our kind of guy, he doesn't believe what we believe, he isn't the kind of person we support.

Republicans know all that. They've heard their party. They've heard everyone else, too — the condemnations of Trump have been a nonstop clamor, a roar that's drowned out all other political coverage. But Republican primary voters just don't give a shit. It's worse than that — they like that Trump pisses off the establishment. The backlash only makes him stronger.

Everyone says this is an anti-establishment year, but elites are just mouthing the words; they still don't quite believe it. They still think that if only the Republican establishment had been a bit better organized, a bit quicker on the draw, they could have kept control. The truth is probably closer to the opposite.

The party doesn't have any magic powers. All it has is its credibility with its voters. And the Republican Party has, for whatever reason, lost its ability to influence its voters.

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Parties are vehicles for structuring information. Their role is literally to help voters decide by helping them choose whom to trust. The fact that Republican voters seem to prefer candidates whom their party is screaming not to trust reveals a profound failure in the GOP's core role. The Republican Party is truly broken.

Where's the explanation? He just says "for whatever reason" it's a failed political party because 2/3rds of the party's voters is rejecting the supposed TPTB.

This isn't new. Christine O'Donnell? The woman who wasn't a witch? Sharron Angle who blew a winnable race against Harry Reid by being nuts? This didn't start this election with Trump.

I'm probably just jealous. I don't even like the color scheme.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2016, 01:01:08 AM

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Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie  4h4 hours ago
Today I ruined my mentions by arguing that black voters should be understood on their own terms.

Wow. Disgusting. The Democrats need to get out in front of this story and fast before the whole party is painted as extremist.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 01:45:44 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 03, 2016, 12:58:52 AM

This isn't new. Christine O'Donnell? The woman who wasn't a witch? Sharron Angle who blew a winnable race against Harry Reid by being nuts? This didn't start this election with Trump.

They didn't run for president.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: doctavius bonbon on March 03, 2016, 02:16:37 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/daugaard-vetoes-trans-bathroom-bill

 :ohhh

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 03, 2016, 02:17:24 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 01:45:44 AM

They didn't run for president.

Only because they lost due to an avalanche of Democrat smears.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 03, 2016, 04:23:22 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on March 03, 2016, 12:34:23 AM

Quote from: brob on March 02, 2016, 06:43:43 PM

vox always get me rustled with their breathless 101 community college explainers smh

I always feel this way about subjects I am well-versed in, but then am secretly thankfully when I'm reading one on a topic I don't know much about. They serve a purpose.

tbh the only way people get paid by publications to write anything these days is either a hot take or a 'splainer. together these two kinds of writing form a sort-of binary between the personal gut reaction of a (supposedly) educated opinion on whatever and a ostensibly objective 'this is the facts' run down. Given the realities of newsrooms and freelance writing neither of these are usually written by someone knowledgable and you get a wiki article and/or reddit post. Ezra Klein certainly isn't distinct from a try-hard redditor who uses mod privileges to pretend his writing is worthwhile.

If you're interested in following a particular beat in journalism it's usually better to seek out particular writers who follow it with dedication, and in my experience they usually end up being "freelancers" (bloggers) who don't often appear on bigger media platforms.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2016, 10:12:10 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2016, 10:03:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/rsktvyw.jpg)

As much as I miss having a car elevator.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2016, 10:20:40 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 12:04:02 AM

Who will Snyder endorse :doge

The Culligan man.  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.culligan.com/?gclid=CJTRosnopMsCFZZbhgodapkFpw

[close]

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 11:42:15 AM

http://www.texastribune.org/2016/03/02/newly-elected-gop-chair-texas-capitol/

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The newly elected chair of the Republican Party in the county that includes the Texas Capitol spent most of election night tweeting about former Gov. Rick Perry’s sexual orientation and former President Bill Clinton’s penis, and insisting that members of the Bush family should be in jail.

He also found time to call Hillary Clinton an “angry bull dyke” and accuse his county vice chair of betraying the values of the Republican Party.

Quote

Morrow, who’s also tweeted that Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida is “very likely a gayman who got married,” said he supports the brand of Republican politics he most closely associates with Donald Trump and Sen. Ted Cruz.

Quote

“We will explore every single option that exists, whether it be persuading him to resign, trying to force him to resign, constraining his power, removing his ability to spend money or resisting any attempt for him to access data or our social media account,” Mackowiak told the Tribune. “I’m treating this as a coup and as a hostile takeover.”

“Tell them they can go fuck themselves,” Morrow told the Tribune.

:lol

One of his most recent tweets:

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Robert Morrow ‏@RobMorroLiberty  25m25 minutes ago Austin, TX
Porn idea: Barbara Bush with vibrating butt plug, stroking foot long dildo while German shepherd licks peanut butter off pussy. Thoughts?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2016, 11:43:31 AM

Quote from: brob on March 03, 2016, 04:23:22 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on March 03, 2016, 12:34:23 AM

Quote from: brob on March 02, 2016, 06:43:43 PM

vox always get me rustled with their breathless 101 community college explainers smh

I always feel this way about subjects I am well-versed in, but then am secretly thankfully when I'm reading one on a topic I don't know much about. They serve a purpose.

tbh the only way people get paid by publications to write anything these days is either a hot take or a 'splainer. together these two kinds of writing form a sort-of binary between the personal gut reaction of a (supposedly) educated opinion on whatever and a ostensibly objective 'this is the facts' run down. Given the realities of newsrooms and freelance writing neither of these are usually written by someone knowledgable and you get a wiki article and/or reddit post. Ezra Klein certainly isn't distinct from a try-hard redditor who uses mod privileges to pretend his writing is worthwhile.

If you're interested in following a particular beat in journalism it's usually better to seek out particular writers who follow it with dedication, and in my experience they usually end up being "freelancers" (bloggers) who don't often appear on bigger media platforms.

We polled 500 people on this shocking topic, and their answers will surprise you!

Here's why.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2016, 11:48:23 AM

http://thehill.com/policy/defense/271620-prominent-gop-defense-figures-vow-to-work-against-trumps-election

The fuckery about to happen.  :lawd

The establishment discarding the will of their voters in plain sight and without apology. :mouf

The disdain for democracy out in the open.  :ufup

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2016, 12:04:19 PM

If they fuck him over, there is only a 110% chance Trump would run as a 3rd party/independent candidate, so this seems in line with the rest of the GOP's well thought out strategies.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 03, 2016, 12:44:47 PM

I'd even wager that a lot of trump voters would never vote for the gop again if this happens.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 12:25:56 AM

Jamelle Bouie says a lot of the stuff I was getting at re: Clinton/Sanders and black voters on his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/jbouie).

any particular tweets? seemed to me he was going after bernie supporters, not the man himself

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2016, 01:33:41 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2016, 12:04:19 PM

If they fuck him over, there is only a 110% chance Trump would run as a 3rd party/independent candidate, so this seems in line with the rest of the GOP's well thought out strategies.

That's my thinking, as well. And I've seen a couple of articles arguing that the GOP establishment might actually cede the election to Hillary just to stop Trump from getting the nomination. But even that is dependent on a brokered convention, which may or may not happen.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 02:06:36 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/obamas-justice-department-gave-bernie-sanders-presidency_b_9372012.html

 :dunno

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 03, 2016, 02:13:17 PM

Quote from: brob on March 03, 2016, 04:23:22 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on March 03, 2016, 12:34:23 AM

Quote from: brob on March 02, 2016, 06:43:43 PM

vox always get me rustled with their breathless 101 community college explainers smh

I always feel this way about subjects I am well-versed in, but then am secretly thankfully when I'm reading one on a topic I don't know much about. They serve a purpose.

tbh the only way people get paid by publications to write anything these days is either a hot take or a 'splainer. together these two kinds of writing form a sort-of binary between the personal gut reaction of a (supposedly) educated opinion on whatever and a ostensibly objective 'this is the facts' run down. Given the realities of newsrooms and freelance writing neither of these are usually written by someone knowledgable and you get a wiki article and/or reddit post. Ezra Klein certainly isn't distinct from a try-hard redditor who uses mod privileges to pretend his writing is worthwhile.

If you're interested in following a particular beat in journalism it's usually better to seek out particular writers who follow it with dedication, and in my experience they usually end up being "freelancers" (bloggers) who don't often appear on bigger media platforms.

I think freelancers/bloggers are p. cool

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 03, 2016, 02:15:12 PM

Quote

The Justice Department has granted immunity to a former State Department staffer, who worked on Hillary Clinton’s private email server, as part of a criminal investigation into the possible mishandling of classified information, according to a senior law enforcement official.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-clinton-email-investigation-justice-department-grants-immunity-to-former-state-department-staffer/2016/03/02/e421e39e-e0a0-11e5-9c36-e1902f6b6571_story.html

Perhaps there is still hope for Bernie yet. . .

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 02:57:11 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 12:25:56 AM

Jamelle Bouie says a lot of the stuff I was getting at re: Clinton/Sanders and black voters on his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/jbouie).

any particular tweets? seemed to me he was going after bernie supporters, not the man himself

I think that's in large part the point. Sanders supporters have spent so much time telling black people what they should think about Clinton/Sanders, and little to no time listening to what black people actually have to say. Clinton has a bad record there's no question about it. However I think these discussions tend to ignore some of the good things Bill Clinton did with respect to black people, and the importance of making people think you want to hear their thoughts.

Bill and Hillary have been heavily involved in all types of "black stuff" since the 90s. Whether they were funerals or policy discussions, they show up. A lot of emphasis has been placed on how republicans often ignore events held by black people, or refuse to go to inner cities and talk with black people, etc. If these are fair criticisms of republicans they're also fair criticisms of Bernie Sanders. He hasn't been seen by the black community until now.

And I think the final point, which many white liberals don't understand (and many black activists refuse to acknowledge), is that a lot of older black people are conservative in many ways. A lot of black people and communities were demanding something be done about rampant crime in the 80s and 90s. A lot of black people and communities supported the Crime bill. I was living in Detroit in 1994, my mom was president of our block club; she spent a lot of time complaining to police and advocating what was virtually the broken window theory. A lot of older black people in inner cities have views like that, while simultaneously distrusting/disliking police.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 02:57:43 PM

Quote

"I don't know what happened to him," Trump said during a rally in Portland, Maine. "You can see how loyal he is. He was begging for my endorsement. I could have said Mitt 'drop to your knees.' He would have dropped to his knees."

 :letsfukk

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brawndolicious on March 03, 2016, 02:58:15 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 03, 2016, 12:44:47 PM

I'd even wager that a lot of trump voters would never vote for the gop again if this happens.

Yeah there has definitely been some shit in fan action at this point. The best case scenario for GOP is that Trump gets elected and pisses off non-conservative Americans more than Dubya ever could. But it's more likely that if he gets the nomination, he'll lose massively and the Republican Party will suffer in the short-term as far as down-ticket races. My favorite scenario, because of the chaos it would cause, is that Trump gets a plurality of delegates but doesn't get the nomination and that ends up causing a split. A permanent split where he runs as an independent (and fails of course) and then in 2018, he comes in on a new Trump/Cruz centric third party which might actually push out the GOP in some conservative seats.

Republicans are never, ever going to be able to forget that 2/3 of their base wanted a crazy, anti-establishment candidate in 2016.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 03, 2016, 03:07:56 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 12:25:56 AM

Jamelle Bouie says a lot of the stuff I was getting at re: Clinton/Sanders and black voters on his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/jbouie).

any particular tweets? seemed to me he was going after bernie supporters, not the man himself

I didn't click thru at the time but I presume it was this series of tweets that I saw retweeted on my own timeline:

Ah, still reading whole threads of Twitter and Reddit folks angry that black people didn't back Bernie like they apparently should.

The good news is that almost all of these folks are keyboard commandos who will have no actual impact on politics.

Past few days have been very revealing. It's helpful to see which "allies" give up pretense of anti-racism when blacks b/c competition.
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705173680507195392)

I mean, "white people refuse to treat black voters as citizens capable of informed decisions" isn't a new story. But still.
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705176168954269696)

This, from Reddit!, is a surprisingly good explanation of why many black people still bang with Clinton's. https://np.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/472fj6/why_isnt_bernie_sanders_doing_well_with_black/d09sdaw

I have plenty of quibbles and disagreements, but the broad description rings true.
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705177498926125056)

And here is my take on why black voters back HRC. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/hillary_clinton_s_ties_to_black_democrats_will_save_her_campaign_from_bernie.html
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705182596226027525)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 03:11:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 02:57:11 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 12:25:56 AM

Jamelle Bouie says a lot of the stuff I was getting at re: Clinton/Sanders and black voters on his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/jbouie).

any particular tweets? seemed to me he was going after bernie supporters, not the man himself

I think that's in large part the point. Sanders supporters have spent so much time telling black people what they should think about Clinton/Sanders, and little to no time listening to what black people actually have to say. Clinton has a bad record there's no question about it. However I think these discussions tend to ignore some of the good things Bill Clinton did with respect to black people, and the importance of making people think you want to hear their thoughts.

Bill and Hillary have been heavily involved in all types of "black stuff" since the 90s. Whether they were funerals or policy discussions, they show up. A lot of emphasis has been placed on how republicans often ignore events held by black people, or refuse to go to inner cities and talk with black people, etc. If these are fair criticisms of republicans they're also fair criticisms of Bernie Sanders. He hasn't been seen by the black community until now.

And I think the final point, which many white liberals don't understand (and many black activists refuse to acknowledge), is that a lot of older black people are conservative in many ways. A lot of black people and communities were demanding something be done about rampant crime in the 80s and 90s. A lot of black people and communities supported the Crime bill. I was living in Detroit in 1994, my mom was president of our block club; she spent a lot of time complaining to police and advocating what was virtually the broken window theory. A lot of older black people in inner cities have views like that, while simultaneously distrusting/disliking police.

True, they've been seen. But at the same time, a lot of notable black people like Angela Davis have thrown their support towards Sanders.

Sanders' supporters are pretty diverse, and one of the his biggest supporters and advocates is Killer Mike.

To be honest, how white Sanders' supporters act towards black voters is how I'd imagine a lot of Hilary supporters would act if they were underdogs in this situation. Keep in mind, a lot of Hilary supporters flaunt the fact that they have a lot of the black "vote". as if that's all they see us as: an asset to getting the presidency. When I volunteered for HERO, I was treated as a tool because I was an inter sectional interest by being a black trans woman. So I'm pretty used to this sense of telling the people what's best for them to use us to propel an agenda feels like. And I think others do too.

So that's not really surprising in the least. So I don't think "Sanders supporters have spent so much time telling black people what they should think about Clinton/Sanders, and little to no time listening to what black people actually have to say" has merit when Clinton (and I'm not talking about her supporters) has done very much the same thing. It's not that what you're saying isn't true, the problem in how it's applied. Even you and Mamacint did the "Sanders is your best hope" dance when BLM interrupted him. Remember?

Can you back up with data and evidence that Sanders supporters are telling black people what to think or is it just anecdotal evidence on "progressive" sites like neogaf?

There's also the problem with your language. The way you say Sanders supporters while applying the idea that all of his supporters are white, which isn't true.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 03:25:46 PM

And yeah, a lot of older black folks are conservative. Not really new info tho. But you need to also consider that a lot of those same older black folks have history with socialism. So I don't think the S-word is a deterrent here because black Americans have a very, very storied history with socialism and I don't think their supposed conservatism is playing into that. Of course, Bernie is not in any way a socialist. I think the lack of black support for him is less about how his history or his supporters, but more about how he's parsing his rhetoric. It's very, very American left-esque. When I say that, I'm not talking about how American's perceive the left (as in including liberals), but like, the actual left, as it would be viewed if it were in Europe. Today's American left, despite having massive roots with racial minorities, is very white and very educated. Vularai is, sorry no offense, a textbook example.

So Bernie comes off as disconnected from black issues, because he's not in them. Much like how many people on the left are desk workers making fat cash and not working alongside their fellow proletariat. His rhetoric concentrates on specific people, and although I think his policies would improve lives for all of us, it's very much aimed at a "middle class", which for black people, is often a luxury. His language is essentially "income inequality will solve racism" in the flesh that you read so much on message boards. And if anyone who has studied Cuban post-revolution treatment of black people and our place on the totem pole over there, you'd know that's not how it works. Of course, this is an opinion colored by someone whose father is from Oakland and grew up there during the rise of Panthers and their Marxism. So I could be off, but correct me if I'm wrong. Bernie has good intentions and I don't think it's his intention to make black people feel like we're left out. I do, however, think Clinton legacy is getting in the way here more than anything, whether it has merit or not. So the older folks' conservatism doesn't really apply here, from my observation.

Quote from: brob on March 03, 2016, 03:07:56 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 03, 2016, 12:25:56 AM

Jamelle Bouie says a lot of the stuff I was getting at re: Clinton/Sanders and black voters on his Twitter feed (https://twitter.com/jbouie).

any particular tweets? seemed to me he was going after bernie supporters, not the man himself

I didn't click thru at the time but I presume it was this series of tweets that I saw retweeted on my own timeline:

Ah, still reading whole threads of Twitter and Reddit folks angry that black people didn't back Bernie like they apparently should.

The good news is that almost all of these folks are keyboard commandos who will have no actual impact on politics.

Past few days have been very revealing. It's helpful to see which "allies" give up pretense of anti-racism when blacks b/c competition.
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705173680507195392)

I mean, "white people refuse to treat black voters as citizens capable of informed decisions" isn't a new story. But still.
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705176168954269696)

This, from Reddit!, is a surprisingly good explanation of why many black people still bang with Clinton's. https://np.reddit.com/r/NeutralPolitics/comments/472fj6/why_isnt_bernie_sanders_doing_well_with_black/d09sdaw

I have plenty of quibbles and disagreements, but the broad description rings true.
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705177498926125056)

And here is my take on why black voters back HRC. http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/01/hillary_clinton_s_ties_to_black_democrats_will_save_her_campaign_from_bernie.html
(https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/705182596226027525)

Good piece on slate from Jamelle. First time reading it.

The reddit post is the best.

This

Quote

Who is he? No, not saying "black people haven't heard of Bernie Sanders", I mean, who is Bernie Sanders? He's this guy from Vermont apparently that claims he was very active in the Civil Rights movement but has been auspiciously absent from just about every black struggle since then.

and this:

Quote

Because we already know what it's like to have someone promise us the moon and leave us out to dry. Believe it or not, we actually have a great deal of experience with far left politicians and figureheads. MLK, it's argued, was a socialist. The Black Panthers were socialists. We've had these ideas and promises run up and down our communities from East to West coast, North to South.... It never pans out. We've seen assassinations, fraud, all sorts of dirty tricks... Oftentimes though, it's as simple as politicians flat out lying to us. Bernie Sanders isn't new. So all these promises sound great and all, but they all sound like pipe dreams.

Are what I mean my paragraphs above. Tunnel visioned lefty is what I'm using to attribute to Sanders' lack of black support.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 03, 2016, 03:54:17 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 03:25:46 PM

I think the lack of black support for him is less about how his history or his supporters, but more about how he's parsing his rhetoric. When I say that, I'm not talking about how American's perceive the left (as in including liberals), but like, the actual left, as it would be viewed if it were in Europe. Today's American left, despite having massive roots with racial minorities, is very white and very educated. Vularai is, sorry no offense, a textbook example.

I disagree with this. There isn't really an American left that is comparable to European leftism, mainly due to presence/lack of parlamentarism and difference in labor movement history (and how deeply enmeshed the latter is with white supremacy for the US vs colonialism for many European nations). but also the rhetoric you are talking about is very familiar to me as it is the sort of talk that has been employed by ethno-protectionists over here as long as I have been alive. And even if Social Democratic liberalism is further left of clintonian neoliberalism, it is still far from 'the actual left' imo.

and none of this lines up with marxist-leninism, which is the science vularai champions.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 04:02:01 PM

I didn't say social democrat is actual left. But it's left for us.  :P The American left is so small and separated by so many factions, that it's not even a real thing here.

I'm a marxist as well.

Continuing, I do think Bernie doesn't get credit in regards to race relations. Though, he could do more than what he's doing with his language.

http://madamenoire.com/593341/bernie-sanders-sandra-bland-say-her-name/

I'd like to stress, that black people are pretty diverse and have our own opinions. I disagree heavily with some of that reddit post. It also does a bad job of lumping all black people into the same pile. So While I think the arguments have merit, the ultimate problem here is treating minority voters like we're all one group making conscious group decisions and not people with our own opinions and biases.

I find his defense of the super predators to be condescending. As if you're black you would agree with it.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 03, 2016, 04:11:20 PM

Quote from: Dufus on March 03, 2016, 04:10:21 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197477704&postcount=62

lol holy shit is this real?

what do you think

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 04:13:19 PM

Quote from: Dufus on March 03, 2016, 04:10:21 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197477704&postcount=62

lol holy shit is this real?

The text is floating on top of the shirt.

 :cmonson

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 03, 2016, 04:21:57 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 04:02:01 PM

I didn't say social democrat is actual left. But it's left for us.  :P The American left is so small and separated by so many factions, that it's not even a real thing here.

I'm a marxist as well.

Continuing, I do think Bernie doesn't get credit in regards to race relations. Though, he could do more than what he's doing with his language.

http://madamenoire.com/593341/bernie-sanders-sandra-bland-say-her-name/

I'd like to stress, that black people are pretty diverse and have our own opinions. I disagree heavily with some of that reddit post. It also does a bad job of lumping all black people into the same pile. So While I think the arguments have merit, the ultimate problem here is treating minority voters like we're all one group making conscious group decisions and not people with our own opinions and biases.

I find his defense of the super predators to be condescending. As if you're black you would agree with it.

the american left is very fractured, yes, and social democratism is certainly to the left of the current democratic centrism, but I still think it's possible to talk about 'the actual left' in the US (as a coalition of various factions) and it doesn't include people who think employment amounts to reparations.

Sanders' focus has been bringing poor, disenfranchised whites to the left since Al Gore lost. That's the basis for his rhetoric on race, guns, etc. Without explicitly grappling with how white supremacy is melded into society at every level, I don't think this is terribly useful.

And unless black voters are given the option to express their plurality, is there any reason for (or way to force) politicians to stop treating them like a singular voting body? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 04:32:40 PM

How do we talk about the actual left in America? The S-word is just now become not so much bad word anymore but the C-word? LOL!

I think an actual left is possible but not with the current way in how it's perceived to be exclusively for white yuppies. What's funny is that you go to any major socialist site, and it's got pictures and pictures of minorities. Which is my experience irl as well. Check my party's website: http://www.socialistalternative.org/

How do we express our plurality?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 04:34:02 PM

In terms of white Sanders supporters v white Hillary supporters...sure, I think we all remember some suspect shit coming from white Hillary fans when Obama was beating her. And I'm sure someone could find a 2008 "Hillary has done more for black people than Obama" think piece. But overall I think it's very hard to deny Sanders fans are far more confrontational and dismissive of black views than Hillary fans were in 2008. Multiple outlets have reported on Bernie fans and their problems, I don't need to re-litigate those arguments. And no, this does now mean ALL Bernie fans are like this.

I actually agree with Sanders' view that an improved economic situation would greatly benefit black people. A lot of inner cities are in disrepair in large part due to deflated tax bases. Liberals can inject cash into inner city schools every four years all they want but the problems persist when tax funding is low and people don't have jobs. The problem is that Sanders hasn't really made this argument to black audiences effectively, and often outright ignores local issues that can help his point. He wants to talk about Flint, MI by hitting Wall Street. It doesn't make any sense.

But as I've said, Sanders has no connection to the community. He made no attempt to make one. And no, I'm not talking about his BLM confrontation; I still have no problem with how he handled it, and you know my views won BLM. I'm talking about having a visible presence in the community, be it through meeting with activists, attending black events, etc etc. All the things Hillary has attended for decades, mind you. Remember, both Obama and John Edwards made these overtures as early as 2006-2007 in preparation for the 2008 election. Because they understood  you can't win the nomination without the black vote. Sanders did none of that and instead showed up in late 2015 talking about MLK. It's not surprising why it didn't work.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 03, 2016, 04:39:06 PM

"The actual left" is such a smarmy way of putting it.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 04:41:07 PM

It's the political equivalent of "real hip hop."

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 04:46:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 04:34:02 PM

And I'm sure someone could find a 2008 "Hillary has done more for black people than Obama" think piece. But overall I think it's very hard to deny Sanders fans are far more confrontational and dismissive of black views than Hillary fans were in 2008.

Today isn't 2008 though, and we're mostly getting this from the internet, which is far more connected than 2008. These days everyone has a twitter and facebook. In 2008, it wasn't nearly this big and connected, and the iphone was only out for an incredibly short amount of time before then. Also, your position is debatable. Hilary supporters were definitely confrontational and openly dismissive because "a woman president is a bigger reality than a black president, a black president is too far away!" Don't tell me that wasn't a thing because even black people I know said the same shit, that Obama was impossible to win the nom because of his race. Remember the Tavis Smiley debacle? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/06/tavis-smiley-ends-black-state-of-the-union_n_412825.html It was much worse from the white ones. I definitely remember white Hilary supporters whiteplaining away why it was so impossible and to vote for Hilary. About as much as I see it from Bernie supporters.

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I actually agree with Sanders' view that an improved economic situation would greatly benefit black people. A lot of inner cities are in disrepair in large part due to deflated tax bases. Liberals can inject cash into inner city schools every four years all they want but the problems persist when tax funding is low and people don't have jobs. The problem is that Sanders hasn't really made this argument to black audiences effectively, and often outright ignores local issues that can help his point. He wants to talk about Flint, MI by hitting Wall Street. It doesn't make any sense.

But as I've said, Sanders has no connection to the community. He made no attempt to make one. And no, I'm not talking about his BLM confrontation; I still have no problem with how he handled it, and you know my views won BLM. I'm talking about having a visible presence in the community, be it through meeting with activists, attending black events, etc etc. All the things Hillary has attended for decades, mind you. Remember, both Obama and John Edwards made these overtures as early as 2006-2007 in preparation for the 2008 election. Because they understood  you can't win the nomination without the black vote. Sanders did none of that and instead showed up in late 2015 talking about MLK. It's not surprising why it didn't work.

I can agree with all of this. I guess we're saying the same thing effecitvely. I think 100% that Sanders policies will help us, but he's not communicating it well behind that wall street rhetoric. Again, it's completely aimed at white middle class people. So we agree in full on that.

I also agree with him not being seen in the community. When the BLM thing happened, a common argument was "he protested in the 60's!" as if that means anything. For me, it still doesn't.

I'm going to say that his way of communicating his vision for America is flawed, although I think it's what we need. Shame, too. My only hope is that he can manage to get Hilary on board with some of his easier to implement ideas that can help Hilary on the campaign trail.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 04:50:15 PM

Quote from: octopushover on March 03, 2016, 04:39:06 PM

"The actual left" is such a smarmy way of putting it.

It's hard to describe it any other way given America's idea of left tends to be a blanket term. It's a necessity due to our willingness to put everyone under the same roof. For example, you're considered left in America if you simply vote Democrat even if your views are more moderate. In America "left" is considered so many things that aren't actually left that it obfuscates the definition of the word. My use of "actual left" isn't a dig - it's a clarification of what I'm talking about when discussing what Brob and I were chit chatting about.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 03, 2016, 05:13:04 PM

far left smarm  :aah

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2016, 05:15:42 PM

I still maintain that there was waaaaaaaay more acrimony between Hillary and Obama supporters in 2008. For fucks sakes, does no one else remember hillaryis44? The "PUMA" movement? Bill Clinton calling Obama a fairytale? Black politicians (including John Lewis) that had endorsed Clinton switching to Obama for fear of being primaried? I remember all that shit. What we have today are just a bunch of useless neckbeards that weren't gonna vote anyway whining. And I say that as someone that voted for Bernie two days ago.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 05:21:06 PM

Yeah, dismissing 2008 Hilary supporters is pretty bad. Like I said, it's just a larger symptom of "progressive" white people, especially in the democratic party. Like my dad told me, white people are your friend until they need to compete with you.  :doge The only reason it may seem worse is because the internet volume has been cranked up 10 times since 2008. But in no way was actually worse than the actual content of 2008. That's why Bernie supporters don't bother me so much. Business as usual as a black voter.

I think a lot of black Hilary supporters bringing this up didn't notice this because they many were originally siding with Hilary, so they weren't as privy to these racial remarks aimed at Obama from her supporters because he wasn't their guy yet. As someone who supported Obama from the beginning I remember all this shit.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 05:25:19 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2016, 05:15:42 PM

I still maintain that there was waaaaaaaay more acrimony between Hillary and Obama supporters in 2008. For fucks sakes, does no one else remember hillaryis44? The "PUMA" movement? Bill Clinton calling Obama a fairytale? Black politicians (including John Lewis) that had endorsed Clinton switching to Obama for fear of being primaried? I remember all that shit. What we have today are just a bunch of useless neckbeards that weren't gonna vote anyway whining. And I say that as someone that voted for Bernie two days ago.

No question you're right. I'm just talking about the racial aspect of Sanders/Clinton.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 05:27:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 05:25:19 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2016, 05:15:42 PM

I still maintain that there was waaaaaaaay more acrimony between Hillary and Obama supporters in 2008. For fucks sakes, does no one else remember hillaryis44? The "PUMA" movement? Bill Clinton calling Obama a fairytale? Black politicians (including John Lewis) that had endorsed Clinton switching to Obama for fear of being primaried? I remember all that shit. What we have today are just a bunch of useless neckbeards that weren't gonna vote anyway whining. And I say that as someone that voted for Bernie two days ago.

No question you're right. I'm just talking about the racial aspect of Sanders/Clinton.

But you did say that Sanders supporters are generally racist and problematic.

But that's the thing, they're nothing compared Hilary's supporters in 08 against Obama. Who are black voters going for this time? Remember that we have memories of elephants, so I definitely know many other black voters remember how we and Obama were treated then. I just think that Bernie's white supporters aren't why he's not garnering as much minority support. Because by that same argument, Hilary should be bets off as well given her supporters' history.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 05:32:03 PM

I clearly stated I wasn't talking about all Sanders supporters:

"Multiple outlets have reported on Bernie fans and their problems, I don't need to re-litigate those arguments. And no, this does now mean ALL Bernie fans are like this."

I didn't use the term racist either. I'm talking about the insistence of so many Bernie Bros that black people MUST vote for Sanders because it's the best thing for them.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Trent Dole on March 03, 2016, 06:17:15 PM

Quote from: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 02:06:36 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/obamas-justice-department-gave-bernie-sanders-presidency_b_9372012.html

 :dunno

Even Sanders himself declared nobody gives two fucks about Hillary's emails but if this nudges an actual progressive into the Dem nomination instead of Clinton's fauxgressive ass then hey that's great. No matter who gets in ain't shit changing so long as Congress is gerrymandered to hell and back.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 03, 2016, 06:59:49 PM

Yeah unless charges are filed that isn't going to amount to anything, even if there are, I don't see it taking her down.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 03, 2016, 07:11:01 PM

Romney might be trying to lock the convention and step in as the nominee.  Too fucking funny

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 07:16:04 PM

I don't get what Romney is trying to do.

Nothing will kill the GOP faster than denying the winner of the popular vote his chance at the presidency.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 07:23:37 PM

Looking forward to tonights debate. Thank God Carson is not here to dampen the fun.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 03, 2016, 07:39:48 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 03, 2016, 07:11:01 PM

Romney might be trying to lock the convention and step in as the nominee.  Too fucking funny

It's Baker in the West Wing democratic convention all over again.

 :rejoice

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 03, 2016, 07:50:49 PM

That schadenfreude, brehs

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/03/us/politics/anti-donald-trump-republicans-call-for-a-third-party-option.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur

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William Kristol, editor of the conservative Weekly Standard magazine, said he would work actively to put forward an “independent Republican” ticket if Mr. Trump was the nominee, and floated Mr. Sasse as a recruit.

“That ticket would simply be a one-time, emergency adjustment to the unfortunate circumstance (if it happens) of a Trump nomination,” Mr. Kristol wrote in an email. It “would support other Republicans running for Congress and other offices, and would allow voters to correct the temporary mistake (if they make it) of nominating Trump.”

 :aah

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 08:15:26 PM

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Mitt Romney has instructed his closest advisers to explore the possibility of stopping Donald Trump at the Republican National Convention, a source close to Romney's inner circle says.

The 2012 GOP nominee's advisers are examining what a fight at the convention might look like and what rules might need revising.

"It sounds like the plan is to lock the convention," said the source.

Romney is focused on suppressing Trump's delegate count to prevent him from accumulating the 1,237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination.

But implicit in Romney's request to his team to explore the possibility of a convention fight is his willingness to step in and carry the party's banner into the fall general election as the Republican nominee. Another name these sources mentioned was House Speaker Paul Ryan, Romney's running mate in 2012.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/mitt-romney-stop-trump-at-convention/index.html

We are living history brehs
(http://i.imgur.com/jNs3Vxf.png)

538 says Trump is already on pace to get the delegates he needs to outright win the nomination. He'll be even more on target if he wins Florida and Ohio in a couple weeks, which are winner-take-all contests.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 08:19:10 PM

Yo this fuckery is nuts

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 08:29:13 PM

Will Romney come from backstage and hit Trump with a folding chair during tonight's debate while Cruz distracts the moderators?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Trurl on March 03, 2016, 08:33:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 05:32:03 PM

I clearly stated I wasn't talking about all Sanders supporters:

"Multiple outlets have reported on Bernie fans and their problems, I don't need to re-litigate those arguments. And no, this does now mean ALL Bernie fans are like this."

I didn't use the term racist either. I'm talking about the insistence of so many Bernie Bros that black people MUST vote for Sanders because it's the best thing for them.

Immediately after the 2008 election I remember some liberals being disgusted that a certain number of gay people voted for McCain.   Expecting demographics to vote a certain way is usually obnoxious.

That said, I'm OK with liberals asking what's the matter with Kansas and I'm not sure what the difference is.

Edit: I suppose that no matter how much you like Bernie, you can't argue that voting Hillary is diametrically AGAINST the interest of black people.  That's a difference.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 03, 2016, 08:51:19 PM

The collapse of the GOP has been such a slow-motion trainwreck. You could probably easily trace it back to Dubya screwing things up so badly for the party nationally and then the Palinization starting in 2008 where the far-right wing started to roust itself at the sight of a black man taking the oath of office. I mean, I think even back then we all probably had some idea that the the GOP was setting itself on a course for complete implosion, despite the efforts of the establishment to mold and direct the anger that's emblematic of the Tea Party movement, but to actually see it happen, especially because of someone as ridiculous and cartoonish as Donald J. Trump, is something that no one could ever have predicted.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 03, 2016, 09:08:29 PM

omg Trump  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

this debate :dead

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 09:09:05 PM

Big Dick Trump.

Look at those hands.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 03, 2016, 09:09:33 PM

What did he say?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 09:21:59 PM

omg, crying :lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 03, 2016, 09:33:31 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 03, 2016, 12:44:47 PM

I'd even wager that a lot of trump voters would never vote for the gop again if this happens.

yeah right, how else are they ever gonna put their regressive views into a ballot box. The GOP has always been a horror movie villian (essentially unkillable), this year's feature just happened to be Freddy vs. Jason.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 09:38:01 PM

Rubio is getting slaughtered out there. Just brutal.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 09:41:49 PM

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Guys, can we go back. The GOP frontrunner just said he has a big dong.

A frontrunner for President of the United States just said he has a big wang.

Reality is far worse than any satire.

(http://assets.neogafllc.netdna-cdn.com/forum/image.php?u=10298&dateline=1347989312)

This debate is giving me life.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 09:45:51 PM

Quote from: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 09:41:49 PM

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Guys, can we go back. The GOP frontrunner just said he has a big dong.

A frontrunner for President of the United States just said he has a big wang.

Reality is far worse than any satire.

(http://assets.neogafllc.netdna-cdn.com/forum/image.php?u=10298&dateline=1347989312)

This debate is giving me life.

Trump channeling his inner LBJ.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 09:55:24 PM

Moderator: "War Crimes. You down?"

Trump: "Ayup."

*crowd goes wild*

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 10:08:43 PM

NSFL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4BNtP7tN8I

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Atramental on March 03, 2016, 10:11:59 PM

That's probably a common accurance for Cruz since his nose is so close to his mouth.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 10:14:36 PM

Rubio dishing talking points directly from the John Oliver video. :lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Trurl on March 03, 2016, 10:20:40 PM

I wondered what was in Cruz's mouth.   

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 10:22:21 PM

Rubio has to be finished after this. We are talking Jeb-level weak here. A mess.

Oh how immensely enjoyable it was to see FOX throw him straight under the bus.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 10:25:55 PM

Kasich talking, everyone take a bathroom break.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 03, 2016, 10:33:24 PM

Yeah, Rubio is toast, like burnt toast even. And like Rubio, toast sweats.

has Kasich been portrayed on SNL yet, and is Garry Shandling available?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 10:38:40 PM

One supreme court judge away from the 2nd Amendment being erased from the Bill of Rights. :lawd

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 03, 2016, 10:39:52 PM

okay, that yoga line was pretty good.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 03, 2016, 10:46:51 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/48kyzj/why_are_black_americans_voting_for_hillary/d0kv5pf

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 11:00:23 PM

(http://i.picpar.com/rAJb.png)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 11:03:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/LVwcPCl.gif)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 11:23:35 PM

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More time was spent on Trump's dick than Flint Michigan.

 :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Atramental on March 03, 2016, 11:28:39 PM

I've had my doubts but now I think it is safe to say we are living in a simulated reality. And that simulation is inside of a computer at The Onion.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 03, 2016, 11:33:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3PQHWLINQk

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 11:35:43 PM

CNN asking both Trump and his wife about the dick moment.

This is a real thing that happened.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Let's Cyber on March 03, 2016, 11:46:38 PM

Quote from: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 11:35:43 PM

CNN asking both Trump and his wife about the dick moment.

This is a real thing that happened.

Welcome to the new age  :success

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 03, 2016, 11:50:55 PM

Been doing shots during the debate?

https://twitter.com/mark_esque/status/705615023624683520/video/1

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2016, 12:02:46 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 03, 2016, 11:03:20 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/LVwcPCl.gif)

This is the best.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 04, 2016, 12:09:34 AM

Look at these hands.

I rest my case.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 04, 2016, 12:11:45 AM

Jesus this is going to fuel Canadian smugness for years.  How embarrassed you guys must feel about the state of your politics.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 04, 2016, 12:18:49 AM

The hands don't lie.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 04, 2016, 12:21:07 AM

Quote from: Dennis on March 04, 2016, 12:18:49 AM

_________________
|The hands don't lie.|
_________________

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 04, 2016, 12:27:52 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 04, 2016, 12:11:45 AM

Jesus this is going to fuel Canadian smugness for years.  How embarrassed you guys must feel about the state of your politics.

Most Americans think the dream is alive and that we're still the best nation in the world. Nothing tonight would convince them otherwise. Most don't care. They've become so apathetic they literally don't give a fuck what you think about our politics. America deserve this, let's be honest, for letting this fester and grow and have our politics grow ever more right in the past 50 years. That's the part people don't want to admit. They will only start to give a shit when it actually starts to affect their day to day. Most Americans don't give a FUCK.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 04, 2016, 12:32:47 AM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/the-violence-to-come/471924/

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 01:02:36 AM

Other than Rubio cribbing the John Oliver segment and interrupting rather than let Trump hang himself because he was so proud he flustered The Donald, this was mainly the only part I watched:

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BAIER: Mr. Trump, just yesterday, almost 100 foreign policy experts signed on to an open letter refusing to support you, saying your embracing expansive use of torture is inexcusable. General Michael Hayden, former CIA director, NSA director, and other experts have said that when you asked the U.S. military to carry out some of your campaign promises, specifically targeting terrorists' families, and also the use of interrogation methods more extreme than waterboarding, the military will refuse because they've been trained to turn down and refuse illegal orders.

So what would you do, as commander-in-chief, if the U.S. military refused to carry out those orders?

TRUMP: They won't refuse. They're not going to refuse me. Believe me.

BAIER: But they're illegal.

TRUMP: Let me just tell you, you look at the Middle East. They're chopping off heads. They're chopping off the heads of Christians and anybody else that happens to be in the way. They're drowning people in steel cages. And he -- now we're talking about waterboarding.

This really started with Ted, a question was asked of Ted last -- two debates ago about waterboarding. And Ted was, you know, having a hard time with that question, to be totally honest with you. They then came to me, what do you think of waterboarding? I said it's fine. And if we want to go stronger, I'd go stronger, too, because, frankly...

.. that's the way I feel. Can you imagine -- can you imagine these people, these animals over in the Middle East, that chop off heads, sitting around talking and seeing that we're having a hard problem with waterboarding? We should go for waterboarding and we should go tougher than waterboarding. That's my opinion.

BAIER: But targeting terrorists' families?

TRUMP: And -- and -- and -- I'm a leader. I'm a leader. I've always been a leader. I've never had any problem leading people. If I say do it, they're going to do it. That's what leadership is all about.

BAIER: Even targeting terrorists' families?

TRUMP: Well, look, you know, when a family flies into the World Trade Center, a man flies into the World Trade Center, and his family gets sent back to where they were going -- and I think most of you know where they went -- and, by the way, it wasn't Iraq -- but they went back to a certain territory, they knew what was happening. The wife knew exactly what was happening.

They left two days early, with respect to the World Trade Center, and they went back to where they went, and they watched their husband on television flying into the World Trade Center, flying into the Pentagon, and probably trying to fly into the White House, except we had some very, very brave souls on that third plane. All right?

BAIER: Senator Cruz, you were mentioned.

TRUMP: I have no problem with it.

BAIER: Senator Cruz?

CRUZ: Bret, you know, I think the American people understand that yelling and cursing at people doesn't make you a tough guy. We need a commander-in-chief that, number one, will rebuild the military, just like Ronald Reagan did in 1981 coming out of the weak Jimmy Carter administration. He passed tax reform and regulatory reform. The economy took off. It generated millions in high-paying jobs, trillions in new revenue. He rebuilt the military, bankrupted the Soviet Union, and won the Cold War.

As president, I will do the exact same thing with radical Islamic terrorism. We will rebuild this military so that it remains the mightiest fighting force on the face of the planet. And then, when I am commander-in-chief, every militant on the face of the Earth will understand that if they go and join ISIS, if they wage jihad against the United States of America, they are signing their death warrant.

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BAIER: But, Senator Cruz, in 2013, you said you were open -- you were open to the possibility that Edward Snowden had performed a considerable public service, you said back then, in revealing certain aspects of the NSA procedures. Many of your colleagues in the Senate, including Senator Rubio, called him a traitor. It took you until January of this year to call him a traitor and say he should be tried for treason. Why the change of heart? And why did it take you so long?

CRUZ: Well, Bret, as someone who spent much of his life in law enforcement, I believe you should start with the facts and evidence first before ending up with the verdict. When the news first broke of the United States government engaging in massive surveillance on American citizens, that was a very troubling development, and it's why the United States Congress acted to correct it.

Now, at the same time, I said in that initial statement that if the evidence indicated that Edward Snowden violated the law, he should be prosecuted for violating the law. And, indeed, since then, the evidence is clear that not only does Snowden violate the law, but it appears he committed treason. Treason is defined under the Constitution as giving aid and comfort to the enemies of America, and what Snowden did made it easier for terrorists to avoid detection.

And Snowden's comments afterwards, and his behavior afterwards, he fled to Russia, he fled to China. His conducts afterwards indicates that he was not a whistleblower, but instead he was undermining the ability to defend this country. But we need a president who isn't rash, who doesn't just pop off at the -- at the hip, but waits to see what the facts are and then acts to defend this country.

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BAIER: Mr. Trump, you've repeatedly deflected calls for specific national security or defense policy plans with the claim that you'll ask the best people when you become president, and take their advice.

So who are the best people? Can you reveal two or three names that you trust for national security?

TRUMP: I think Richard Haass is excellent. I have a lot of respect for him. I think General Keane is excellent. I think that there are -- I like Colonel Jacobs very much. I see him. I know him. I have many people that I think are really excellent but in the end it's going to be my decision.

When you just asked the question about Snowden, I will tell you right from the beginning, I said he was a spy and we should get him back. And if Russia respected our country, they would have sent him back immediately, but he was a spy. It didn't take me a long time to figure that one out. Believe me.

But I would get the best people, people that I'd be comfortable with. And we will do the right thing.

KASICH: Bret, it's very interesting to note, I think it's for the good of the record here that they took a survey of foreign policy magazines, 700 foreign policy experts, who would be the best person to conduct foreign policy of all the candidates in the race?

I received 55 percent of the vote. Jeb Bush received 30 percent of the vote. And everybody else, none of them made double digits. And that's because you have to have the experience.

And you know, we hear about Ronald Reagan rebuilding the military. I was there when Ronald Reagan rebuilt the military. I worked with him. I was there when Ronald Reagan rebuilt the economy. I was there, and I worked with him. I knew Ronald Reagan.

And I'll leave it right there with what comes after that. You can figure that one out.

BAIER: Governor Kasich, thank you.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 01:03:01 AM

Also:

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KELLY: No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on. We can do more of this later. Mr. Trump, hi.

TRUMP: Hello.

KELLY: How are you doing?

TRUMP: Nice to be with you, Megyn.

KELLY: Great to have you here.

TRUMP: You're looking well. You're looking well.

KELLY: As are you.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 01:06:44 AM

Also seems like Megyn, Bret and Chris Wallace have been ripping into the GOPers way more than all the other debate moderators. And often actually about issues (that the candidates have bombed on), not campaign garbage or trying to make them all fight.

I wish Megyn would rip into me on the issues. :noah

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 04, 2016, 01:13:13 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 01:06:44 AM

I wish Megyn would rip into me on the issues. :noah

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well, a lot of the gay folk round here are into Baiers.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2016, 01:55:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 01:06:44 AM

Also seems like Megyn, Bret and Chris Wallace have been ripping into the GOPers way more than all the other debate moderators. And often actually about issues (that the candidates have bombed on), not campaign garbage or trying to make them all fight.

I wish Megyn would rip into me on the issues. :noah

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That's because they're not scared of being called "liberal" media :P

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 08:52:16 AM

President Trump already doin' work: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/271683-miley-cyrus-pledges-to-leave-us-if-trump-wins

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Miley Cyrus is pledging to leave the country if GOP White House hopeful Donald Trump becomes president.

“Honestly f--- this s--- I am moving if this is my president!” the 23-year-old “We Can’t Stop” singer wrote to her more than 38 million Instagram followers on Wednesday.

In a lengthy post that included photos of a smiling Trump next to Texas hunter Kendall Jones, alongside a separate snapshot of a teary-eyed Cyrus, the controversial entertainer wrote, “I don’t say things I don’t mean!”

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 04, 2016, 10:00:24 AM

It took a snapshot of trump next to a hunter with a dead animal to make her react that way? Not the way trump treats non-whites and women?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 10:03:46 AM

It's Miley Cyrus.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 04, 2016, 10:09:55 AM

Ugh. Moron is me for giving her a modicum of credit.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 04, 2016, 10:09:56 AM

No. Don't. Go, Miley.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 04, 2016, 11:21:39 AM

Well at least there will be one net positive.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 04, 2016, 11:23:40 AM

MILEY CYRUS IS A UNIQUE TALENT :maf

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 04, 2016, 11:49:50 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 04, 2016, 12:11:45 AM

Jesus this is going to fuel Canadian smugness for years.  How embarrassed you guys must feel about the state of your politics.

breh we have trudeau
nothing to be smug about right now lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 04, 2016, 12:01:00 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/04/the-debilitating-economic-disaster-louisianas-governor-left-behind/

smh at you people not rallying for jindal

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 04, 2016, 01:20:37 PM

LA has been a mess for 60+ years. Jindal was just the last guy holding the chair.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2016, 02:41:29 PM

@walrus

I always visit Drudge whenever a BLS report comes out just to see the spin. Today takes the cake. I've been around these people for years  yet it never ceases to amaze me how dumb a lot of very successful, older financial types are with respect to basic economic principles once politics get involved.

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Rogers Holdings Chairman Jim Rogers is certain that the U.S. economy will be in recession in the next 12 months.

During an interview on Bloomberg TV with Guy Johnson, the famous investor said that there was a 100 percent probability that the U.S. economy would be in a downturn within one year.

100% chance of a recession. Why?

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"It's been seven years, eight years since we had the last recession in the U.S., and normally, historically we have them every four to seven years for whatever reason—at least we always have," he said. "It doesn't have to happen in four to seven years, but look at the debt, the debt is staggering."

The debt is always "staggering." And surely not an indicator of immediate recession for a large economy like the US.

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The former partner of George Soros suggested that if investors focus on the right data, there are signs that the U.S. economy is already faltering.

"If you look at the … payroll tax figures [in the U.S.], you see they're already flat," he concluded. "Don't pay attention to the government numbers, pay attention to the real numbers."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-03-04/payrolls-in-u-s-surge-while-wages-drop-in-mixed-jobs-report

Another financial guy trotted out on the day a decent BLS report to tell us doom is coming. There's a host of economic data to look at every month, and none of it points to a surefire recession. As the article states, economics place the chances of a 2016 recession at less than 30%.

Could a lagging global economy/China cause a recession? Maybe, sure. But the US economy is doing well right now in spite of global issues.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 04, 2016, 03:45:56 PM

I like what I see. I wish Bernie had a chance to be president. Alas America isn't ready for a middle of the road social democrat.

(http://i.imgur.com/jwpsFEA.jpg)

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/4/11161616/bernie-sanders-tax-policy-center

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1193903

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: mormapope on March 04, 2016, 04:09:24 PM

Gaffers expose themselves as liberal conservatives. Helping men and women dealing with social issues? "Of course." Helping the impoverished and fucked in the country by giving up some of what you have so we can all reach some sort of similar level? "Fuck you Bernie, you scum fuck, my money."

But you paying up can help other people. By helping them they can contribute more themselves.

"Tell those people to apply for social services."

The ones being gutted and aren't getting enough money because of government misspending and taxes being too low?

"Taxes will never ever be raised in this country, lol you can try though, it'll never happen"

United States deserves a dreary fate for how bitter and cynical our citizens are.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 04, 2016, 04:12:32 PM

Oh I don't think we need more taxes. We just need to not spend 80 bazillion dollars on the military.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: archie4208 on March 04, 2016, 04:14:03 PM

Which candidate will make anime real?

That's who I'm voting for.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: mormapope on March 04, 2016, 04:18:52 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 04, 2016, 04:12:32 PM

Oh I don't think we need more taxes. We just need to not spend 80 bazillion dollars on the military.

This is definitely true.

Doing both though would guarantee positive changes pretty quickly.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: mormapope on March 04, 2016, 04:20:35 PM

Quote from: archie4208 on March 04, 2016, 04:14:03 PM

Which candidate will make anime real?

That's who I'm voting for.

If Hilary gets elected, her supporters will defend her every decision like she's a platinum coated waifu.

If Trump gets elected, there's a chance that The Apprentice's newest season will take place at the Whitehouse.

Depends on what anime you want.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mods Help on March 04, 2016, 04:31:38 PM

Quote from: mormapope on March 04, 2016, 04:09:24 PM

Gaffers expose themselves as liberal conservatives. Helping men and women dealing with social issues? "Of course." Helping the impoverished and fucked in the country by giving up some of what you have so we can all reach some sort of similar level? "Fuck you Bernie, you scum fuck, my money."

But you paying up can help other people. By helping them they can contribute more themselves.

"Tell those people to apply for social services."

The ones being gutted and aren't getting enough money because of government misspending and taxes being too low?

"Taxes will never ever be raised in this country, lol you can try though, it'll never happen"

United States deserves a dreary fate for how bitter and cynical our citizens are.

Liberals are still capitalists.  :idont

Not really surprising. We still live in a society that's all about obtaining wealth that's completely based around the premise of "got mine."

Liberals aren't the people you think they are and liberalism isn't as progressive or equal as you think it is.

It's another symptom of conservatives labeling all people that are democrats or are on the left liberals. Now everyone that's not conservative or moderate is a liberal, as if it's some synonym for progressivism or something. It isn't. Many of those people aren't even liberals. They're socially liberal, but fiscally conservative. Most are actually moderate. But because of the Republican party and their insanity, they identify as liberals - even if they're not.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2016, 04:34:43 PM

 :lol

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Post by: Mods Help on March 04, 2016, 04:37:27 PM

 :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 04, 2016, 05:10:12 PM

There's no logical policy reason to raise taxes on people who make 35k. This is not a small European country. It doesn't make political sense nor is it required for his plan. Does he want to be revenue neutral, or does that not matter in fantasy land? If so surely he could cut a variety of government spending (ie the military) to make up the difference. But I assume he doesn't care about deficits...but then again why raise taxes on the working poor?

He's not going to win that argument with "bububu you won't be paying insurance premiums anymore"

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 04, 2016, 05:32:12 PM

I make 20,00$ a year and I would be happy to (and probably do) pay 2000$ to have universal healthcare.  Knowing that if I get hurt I can just walk into a hospital without worries or if my mom has a heartattack she won't have to worry is invaluable.  The difference in feeling between our eye/teeth plans where we have to deal with insurance and universal healthcare is crazy.  I remember when my mom got layed off and I couldn't go to the dentist for 2 years. 

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2016, 05:46:03 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 04, 2016, 05:32:12 PM

I make 20,00$ a year and I would be happy to (and probably do) pay 2000$ to have universal healthcare.  Knowing that if I get hurt I can just walk into a hospital without worries or if my mom has a heartattack she won't have to worry is invaluable.  The difference in feeling between our eye/teeth plans where we have to deal with insurance and universal healthcare is crazy.  I remember when my mom got layed off and I couldn't go to the dentist for 2 years.

Yeah, it's an economics factoid that people will pay for health insurance even if it's an actuarial "loser" for them.  Paying a bit more across all the averages and possibilities is better when you don't have to worry about going bankrupt or missing out on important medical treatment.

The political hurdle (well, one among many) is that most people are extremely wary of a plan that takes away their current insurance with the promise of replacing it with a new system.  This is why Obama stressed the not-entirely-true "you'll be able to keep your insurance if you like it" talking point when promoting the ACA.  With a single-payer system you're asking people to give up something tangible for a promise, and that's a hard, hard sell.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brawndolicious on March 04, 2016, 06:12:14 PM

Insurers know that most people are too scared to switch. With car insurance, the loyal customers get the highest premiums for that reason while those who are willing to shop around usually end up with the lowest rates. There'd have to be a massive amount of transparency in costs as well as education of consumers to be able to convince people to bet on a switch to universal healthcare.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 04, 2016, 06:24:59 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 04, 2016, 06:12:14 PM

Insurers know that most people are too scared to switch. With car insurance, the loyal customers get the highest premiums for that reason while those who are willing to shop around usually end up with the lowest rates. There'd have to be a massive amount of transparency in costs as well as education of consumers to be able to convince people to bet on a switch to universal healthcare.

This is true- I signed up for a new car policy with Progressive last June, and then in 6 months when it came due again they jacked it up $9/month. I was too lazy to do anything about it :(

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 07:58:54 PM

$15?!? Fuck that Marxist Hillary, that's like two trips to Taco Bell or more.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 08:04:38 PM

Why does her plan even bother raising taxes on all the lower brackets at those amounts?   ???  (EDIT: Or is that from some other tax change...the GOP one they did was just Income Taxes so I assumed making an ass out of u and med.)

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Absolutely disgusted by the selfish responses here. I thought Gaf was a progressive forum... Apparently I didn't get the fucking memo you fucking Ted Cruz wannabes. I guess you really don't give a fuck about people dying in the streets.

I'll take it one step further, the fuck you got mine attitude on display from Hillary and "former" Bernie supporters shows exactly why racism will never cease in your country.

For true equality to happen you need to understand that you are going to have to give something up if you are privileged period. This thread could easily be mistaken for a pro GOP with the amount of whining that you have to help your fellow man.

Fucking disgusting, thank god I live in Canada, where the basic human right to healthcare is not a fucking "pipe dream". Your country is not special, comparing it to the majority of other 1st world countries is not "apples to oranges" it's reality.

:usacry

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Buy a smaller house or no house so millenials can have free parties at college for a year and never go to class.

I knew so many freshmen who never went to class and was just there to have a good time and that was with their parents paying for them or using TOPS. The thought of them getting to do that for free hurts.

:lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 04, 2016, 08:15:07 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 08:04:38 PM

Why does her plan even bother raising taxes on all the lower brackets at those amounts?

It doesn't.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 08:31:09 PM

Oh, looking at the report instead of Vox, they just estimate economic growth. Bottom rises to $6 by 2025.

Also this was in there that Vox left out:

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Another proposal would limit contributions to tax-favored retirement accounts, including traditional and Roth IRAs, defined benefit plans, and to defined contribution plans such as 401(k), 403(b), and 457(b) accounts. Currently, limitations apply to annual contributions and benefits for each plan an individual holds. However, an individual with multiple retirement accounts may accumulate very large balances within those accounts.7 The proposal would prohibit account holders from making additional contributions to any account once the sum of all account balances reaches a level adequate to finance the maximum annuity currently permitted for defined benefit plans. The account balance limit for an individual age 62 in 2015 would have been approximately $3.4 million under this rule

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 08:47:10 PM

https://twitter.com/ericming5/status/705417645936545794/photo/1

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2016, 10:15:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ZGlr8De.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 08:06:34 AM

Has Hillary really shifted to "the left" due to Bernie in any tangible way though?

The cultural issues she's moved on since 2008 have become more mainstream since then, gay marriage/rights, criminal justice reform, etc. Certainly not due to Bernie. And she remains steadfast on others. And you could argue some of it is opportunistic.

She's not really budged too much on health care, BIG BANKS, trade, climate change, gun control, etc. She's spent more time blasting Bernie for being unrealistic on those issues than really outlining anything specific on those.

She remains seemingly in the "hawk" wing of the Democratic Party, and Bernie hasn't exactly delivered foreign policy blows to her.

This isn't really to criticize her on these policies, Darko knows I'm not one to throw stones in the glass house of policy, but I'm not seeing the shift that everyone keeps saying has happened.

Just to illustrate rather than claim this is some kind of definitive thing. OnTheIssues had Hillary placed in 2007 (day she announced for President) vs inauguration 2009 vs 2014 vs today:
(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s060_030.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s080_020.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s080_010.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s080_010.gif)

So by their standards, it was Obama who moved her left, not Bernie. (Likely, considering Iraq, health care, etc.)

For fun, Donald Trump, 2006 vs 2011 vs today:
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Jim Gilmore, 2006 vs 2008 vs today:
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Jeb, 2004 vs 2008 vs 2012 vs 2016:
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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 08:23:08 AM

Oh fuck how did I not think to do these (all close to election day as possible), Johm McCain:

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2003 vs 2004 vs 2007 vs 2013 vs 2016:
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Mitt Romney:

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2004 vs 2006 vs 2007 vs 2008
(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s050_050.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s040_050.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s010_060.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s020_070.gif)
2009 vs 2011 vs 2012 vs 2016
(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s020_070.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s010_070.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s010_060.gif)(http://www.ontheissues.org/images/s010_070.gif)

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 05, 2016, 10:15:47 AM

That GAF thread is pretty telling, not about whether or not people are "true progressives" but about human behaviour in general. Bernie's revolution isn't realistic because it's a revolution built on asking people of all stripes to pay more, and people have extreme sticker shock when something happens that fast. To get to that level of taxation by 2016, regardless of whether or not it's good for the country, you would have had to start raising taxes progressively twenty years ago.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brawndolicious on March 05, 2016, 10:44:53 AM

I don't think people are going to be so worried about what a "true progressive" does in a few months. Hillary will win the nomination and Sanders will endorse her and the focus of the rest of the election season will be on how horrible Trump or Hillary is for America. The difference is that Trump is actually a crazy, disgusting, scary person who will absolutely draw everyone opposed to him to the polls while Hillary isn't remotely a "controversial" figure for most American conservatives.

It's pretty obvious if you watched a single GOP debate where like 10% of the time someone is trying to hype up how evil Hillary is. The Republican candidates are afraid that independents and moderates won't care that much about Hillary's negatives at all and they all know that Hillary can handle pressure/criticism in a debate better than any of their guys (especially better than Trump).

It's really annoying that people start imagining doom & gloom scenarios based on polls months away but the one good thing about the long campaign process is that we get to see this implosion happen in slow-motion. I'm far more concerned with reelection in 2020 at this point since that's more important as far as policy change/economic status.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

http://rodsilva2016.com/

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: tiesto on March 05, 2016, 12:16:33 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 05, 2016, 10:44:53 AM

I don't think people are going to be so worried about what a "true progressive" does in a few months. Hillary will win the nomination and Sanders will endorse her and the focus of the rest of the election season will be on how horrible Trump or Hillary is for America. The difference is that Trump is actually a crazy, disgusting, scary person who will absolutely draw everyone opposed to him to the polls while Hillary isn't remotely a "controversial" figure for most American conservatives.

Sounds like someone who doesn't know a lot of conservatives :P

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 05, 2016, 12:27:59 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 12:13:47 PM

http://rodsilva2016.com/

If Taco Bell isn't a plank in his platform, then no thanks.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 12:33:10 PM

I just signed up and sent him this question: "What is your position on Taco Bell?"

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 03:48:01 PM

http://andy2016.com/

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For more than 10 years, he has shared with the American people the true facts of our great nation’s accomplishments in time travel and Mars visitation.

He has done so as one who served bravely in the two secret U.S. defense projects in which time travel on Earth and voyages to Mars were first undertaken.

As a result of his courageous advocacy as a crusading lawyer, Andy is credited with ending the time travel and Mars cover-ups by the US government on behalf of the American people.

This arduous work in the vineyards of the Truth Movement represented historic breakthroughs in America’s understanding of our past and our prospects for the future.

Though this is arguably just as good:

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Taking My Official Campaign Portrait
The campaign website is all about branding me as a candidate. Our early focus groups revealed that American voters want their President to “look Presidential.” To this end, we decided to take an Official Campaign Portrait to show voters just how Presidential I look. The President is, after all, America’s drum major at home and its chief diplomat abroad. We decided to search for a photographer who has taken the official portraits of executives of major American corporations. We found Ken Beebe, whose many subjects have included leaders of Bank of America. We hope that you are as pleased with the photographic result as we are. Ken rocks!

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2016, 05:25:37 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432380/donald-trump-culture-rot

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A few years back, I began reliving, in reverse, the most treasured part of my upbringing. On sunny summer Sundays, my son, age seven and falling in love with baseball, would curl up next to me on the couch to watch the game. The great American ritual of a man passing on to his boy not just the national pastime but a cultural heritage; the odd bits of hard-knocks wisdom sprinkled around the infield-fly rule. There was even symmetry across the decades: The Mets providing just enough drama to break your heart in the end.

There was, however, a vexing intrusion on the ritual: the remote control. And not because we didn’t have a remote control for our black-and-white RCA TV set in the Bronx circa 1966; it was because we didn’t need a remote-control back then. And not because there were only six other channels, as opposed to today’s 600; it was because, as his wide-eyed seven-year-old was taking it all in, my dad wasn’t worried about having to switch off Viagra commercials between innings.

So what is the natural progression from turning the campus and pop culture over to Amerika-hating radicals, to the vigorous years-long media defense of Bill Clinton’s right to turn the White House into a cathouse, to the inability of a father to watch baseball with his young son at one o’clock on a Sunday afternoon without being ready to address erectile dysfunction?

It is the cretinous Donald J. Trump campaign.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: El Babua on March 05, 2016, 05:46:44 PM

NRO melting down might be in the top 3 or 4th thing about this election cycle.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 05, 2016, 07:10:24 PM

#boobsforBernie is hilarious mostly due to the fact that the woman in the picture has an Insane Clown Posse tattoo

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 06, 2016, 12:17:34 PM

Nancy Reagan just died
almost poetic

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 06, 2016, 12:50:09 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/02/david-duke-steve-scalise_n_6406844.html

 :aweshum

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2016, 12:58:42 PM

Quote from: Syph on March 06, 2016, 12:17:34 PM

Nancy Reagan just died
almost poetic

Of all the responses to Trump from within the party, hers has been the best so far

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 06, 2016, 01:06:39 PM

:lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 06, 2016, 06:46:17 PM

Puerto Rico baby
Winds of change
Rubio 2016 basically a lock at this point :win

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 06, 2016, 06:57:49 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 06, 2016, 12:58:42 PM

Quote from: Syph on March 06, 2016, 12:17:34 PM

Nancy Reagan just died
almost poetic

Of all the responses to Trump from within the party, hers has been the best so far

Really went the extra mile and didn't just say no.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2016, 04:57:08 AM

A feller on GAF reformatted some of Jamelle Bouie's tweets into chronological order/paragraphs:

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There is more to a political party than voters. There are officials, activists, donors, party leaders of various stripes, organizers, etc. These are the folks who recruit candidates, organize campaigns, develop field operations, maintain the party in off-years, etc. The POTUS is also a party leader, and exists in a relationship with these folks. What he/she says and does affects the field for them. This even goes for the people running for president. But not all candidates understand their roles as such.

HRC is explicitly running as the leader of the Democratic *coalition*, which includes liberals as much as red state Democrats. Sanders is running as an ideological liberal, who is less concerned with party building than in changing the terms of the party coalition. And so, when you're hear HRC's answers on something like fracking, you should be asking yourself "who in Dem coalition wants to hear this?" The answer is: "Democrats in conservative places who don't want to make this salient in their campaigns."

It's a balancing act, between not alienating those coalition members, but also not alienating enviros, another important member. Sanders doesn't have the same kind of balancing act. He wants to make ideological liberals the fulcrum of the Democratic Party coalition. Which frees him to be more expansive as a candidate. But because the Democratic Party isn't purely transactional or purely ideological, it makes them both uncomfortable fits. Hillary is too transactional and too beholden to corporate-wing of the Democratic Party. Sanders' is probably a bit too ideological. It's noteworthy that HRC is strongest among most stalwart Democratic voters, Sanders among most ideological Democratic voters.

Anyway, in a real sense HRC and Sanders are running for two completely different jobs.

HRC is running as leader of a loose coalition of interests, Sanders is running as a champion of liberal interests. Obama was that rare figure who could present himself as both.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 07, 2016, 10:34:28 AM

Benji what are your plans for tomorrow  :doge

I just remembered my driver's license expired late last month so I'll get it renewed today and be ready to vote. I was going to vote for Sanders but I'm insulted no one from his campaign called or came to my door last week. Perhaps they assume I'm too old and black to feel the Bern; I'm not even 30 yet! BUT if I vote for Hillary I will confirm that I am indeed too old and black. So I'm conflicted.

I might write-in the hippest, most progressive candidate available: Lyndon LaRouche.

post this on poligaf for old times sake :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2016, 10:52:29 AM

I offered up my vote to PoliGAF, either Sanders, Trump or Cruz.

But then I noticed that George Pataki is still on the ballot. (And Rand! But not Jim Gilmore. :()

So is...and this is the way it'll be written apparently:

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Roque Rocky De La Fuente
  Formerly: Roque De La Fuente

:lol

We also have Uncommitted to vote for in both parties. I've heard good things about their position on Rock Music Videos.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2016, 10:57:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3xxMB7zEeM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcUJ8AXGrv0

"WE NOW HAVE INTERNET"

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 07, 2016, 01:33:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/EmSZvvV.png)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 07, 2016, 02:38:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/b1ZaFyw.jpg)

oji~senpai :uguu

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: curly on March 07, 2016, 04:01:31 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/04/death-predicts-whether-people-vote-for-donald-trump/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/03/04/death-predicts-whether-people-vote-for-donald-trump/)

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Even after controlling for these other factors, the middle-aged white death rate in a county was still a significant predictor of the share of votes that went to Trump.

Here's how to think about it: Say that County A and County B are roughly identical, except for the death rate of their white, middle-aged residents. County A's death rate is in the 75th percentile — meaning that the middle-aged whites there are dying faster than in three quarters of other counties — while County B's is in the 25th percentile. Between these two economically similar places, County A would give an extra percentage point to Donald Trump in the primary.

Three other characteristics stood out as highly statistically significant:

    The fraction of people with bachelor's degrees. All else held equal — including the death rates — places where people were more educated were less likely to vote for Trump. This effect was large. About a seven percentage-point increase in the fraction of people with BAs (the difference between the 75th and 25th percentiles) predicts about a four to five percentage point decrease in Trump's vote share. In other words, more educated counties don't vote Trump. (They tend to vote Rubio, polls show.)
    The fraction of people in the county who are working. After controlling for other factors, the percentage of people with jobs was a significant predictor of the Trump vote share. If an additional 12 percent of adults had jobs (which is roughly the gap between the 75th and 25th percentiles), Trump would have lost about two percentage points of the vote in the primaries.
    The decline in manufacturing. In the early 2000s, increased trade with China delivered another whammy to American manufacturers. The data show that the places that lost a lot of manufacturing jobs since 1999 were also more likely to vote for Trump on Super Tuesday.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2016, 04:47:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ

lolololololol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 07, 2016, 08:34:20 PM

Pretty convincing.  Fuck you pre-civil rights act "democrats"!

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2016, 11:51:17 AM

David Brooks has been drinking again. Sad!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/its-not-too-late.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2016, 11:59:05 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2016, 11:51:17 AM

David Brooks has been drinking again. Sad!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/its-not-too-late.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Moral Hazard probably had to drag him home again.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 08, 2016, 01:41:26 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2016, 11:51:17 AM

David Brooks has been drinking again. Sad!

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/08/opinion/its-not-too-late.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

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If the G.O.P. is going to survive as a decent and viable national party, it can’t cling to the fading orthodoxy Cruz represents. But it can’t shift to ugly Trumpian nationalism, either. It has to find a third alternative: limited but energetic use of government to expand mobility and widen openness and opportunity. That is what Kasich, Rubio, Paul Ryan and others are stumbling toward.

How did this make it past the editor? Is it satire?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 08:04:19 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2016, 04:47:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ

lolololololol

this looks amazing

i don't know what's best, him looking through SECRET FILES, him talking to people in jail, him talking to conservative writers but it seemingly like they're sitting a hundred feet apart, poorly acted low budget recreation of events, GHOST HORSE COMING OUT OF THE SCREEN, etc.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

his look after "to steal America..."

[close]

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 08:29:31 PM

rubio :dead

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 08, 2016, 08:53:13 PM

 :usacry
fuck i guess in the interest of 2020 he should probably drop out
a florida loss would most likely screw him over for life
such a shame
fucking donald trump is actually going to be the nominee
lol kasich yea right

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 08, 2016, 08:57:22 PM

Time to flip the kill switch@Roboto

Format R drive.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: nachobro on March 08, 2016, 09:07:12 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/SVvHcbt.jpg)

the most luxurious, magnificent, really just terrific, press conference of all time

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 09:09:13 PM

Line wasn't long at my place, only around 15 people or so. But the poll worker said turnout has been high overall. I did see two people (who happened to be black) turned away from the polls for being in the wrong district. I should have clapped. Voter fraud effects all of us, Dude :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2016, 09:14:17 PM

Bernie is winning Michigan

 :larry

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 08, 2016, 09:24:08 PM

Trump using his speech to sell products

 :dead

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2016, 09:33:15 PM

Apparently none of the votes from Detroit have been counted yet, so he's probably gonna get destroyed still.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 09:35:16 PM

Hillary only up by 7% in Wayne County (Detroit) so far. Really surprising.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 09:46:04 PM

My Precinct results:

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Hillary Clinton 117      
Roque Rocky De La Fuente 1   
Martin J. O'Malley 1   
Bernie Sanders 147   
Uncommitted 3

:teehee

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 09:50:53 PM

:drudge

Cheebs voted for Bernie Sanders

:drudge

The Original Shat Pack predicts the biggest upset of the election thus far :lawd

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

Two people voted for Chris Christie, three for Jeb! and six for Carson. (105-98-98-46 for Cruz-Trump-Kasich-Rubio) So I guess I could have voted in the GOP and been the only person to vote for Pataki or Rand after all.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 10:06:01 PM

(http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-MY857_botwt0_M_20160308094426.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 10:06:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

Two people voted for Chris Christie, three for Jeb! and six for Carson. (105-98-98-46 for Cruz-Trump-Kasich-Rubio) So I guess I could have voted in the GOP and been the only person to vote for Pataki or Rand after all.

how quickly you forget
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EKWx1KRi-xQ

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 10:07:57 PM

I don't forget! He never made it on the ballot, the establishment probably suppressing his campaign!

Quote from: benjipwns on March 07, 2016, 10:52:29 AM

But then I noticed that George Pataki is still on the ballot. (And Rand! But not Jim Gilmore. :()

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 10:14:11 PM

I might be taking an L in a few minutes brehs

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 10:34:35 PM

Chris Matthews made a Watergate pun while discussing the water crisis with Flint's mayor  :lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 10:45:49 PM

It's not just The City that's outstanding, Livonia, Plymouth, Dearborn, Dearborn Heights, Romulus, Grand Rapids, Flint, etc. That should be more than enough to push Hillary over.

Just not by the 25-30 points she was leading in the polls.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 11:03:15 PM

Election nights focused on your state always remind you how much experts know about your states election procedures. And where things exactly are and how big they are in the state.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 11:33:19 PM

lol AP calls Michigan for Sanders

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 08, 2016, 11:36:41 PM

Michigan Berning.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 08, 2016, 11:40:31 PM

Come get that L, PD

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 08, 2016, 11:43:30 PM

No L for me :lawd

Cheebs and PD still winning :lawd

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 08, 2016, 11:43:39 PM

some gaf dude:

Quote

This drives me up a wall. We've got one of the most qualified candidates ever and we're messing about with a guy who can't answer a single question without tying it back to one issue?

It's mind boggling. The more I have to hear about Bernie the more I hate him.

:lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:08:07 AM

Bernie's lead is going to drop looking at the areas outstanding, but man, that's still a real surprise win.

I only went to the polls for fuckery and to see what the turnout was like. (Apparently it was quite high in a lot of places, ~30% turnout!) I'm actually kinda surprised Bernie won my precinct. For one thing, there were way more college aged women than I'd ever seen at my precinct. And the lines of it haven't changed in decades.

First of all, where do they all live?!? And do they have first floor windows?!? ???

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:11:38 AM

Michigan 2014 Gubernatorial Election:
R - 1,605,034
D - 1,476,904

Michigan 2016 Presidential Primaries at 93%:
R - 1,237,318
D - 1,095,264

!!!

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 09, 2016, 12:21:24 AM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/rlWDSI9pQSlNu/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:21:38 AM

GAF thread is pretty funny right now. Also shows how many people truly do view black people as a monolith, voting wise. Southern black voters in Mississippi are very different from urban black voters in Detroit or Ann Arbor. Sanders won a bit over 30% of the black vote today - enough to win. If Hillary had won 80-90% of the black vote as she did in the south she would have won tonight. Sanders is doing better with white voters.

Hillary needed to destroy Sanders in Wayne County with heavy turnout. It didn't happen. Sanders also won  Genesee County (Flint), despite the mayor being a top Clinton surrogate. Hell Sanders barely even showed up in Flint. Again...turnout. Looks like black people weren't excited about Hillary at all.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:35:59 AM

My mom worked a precinct this year and she said that probably a third of The Blacks and half the "hispanics" were taking Republican ballots. Maybe they were more excited to vote against Trump/Cruz/Rubio than vote for Hillary?

One other thing amusing in the GAF thread is the assumption that the Democratic Party is mainly ideological progressives with college educations like them. Especially in Michigan, where there's a bunch of white male union workers both past and present who once voted for Reagan and Perot and Snyder. And they have outsized power in the Party compared to states with a significantly smaller union prescience. And they don't exactly see eye-to-eye with the black powerbrokers in the Party, and neither group cares much for the pro-immigrant wing or LGBT wing.

Michigan's actually a good state to wedge apart the Democratic coalition in, especially with the antagonism between Detroit and the rest of the state, that's pretty much how Snyder won in a landslide the first time. And the GOP does a lot of painting of the Democrats as the Party of Detroit in certain places in the state.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 12:38:16 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:35:59 AM

My mom worked a precinct this year and she said that probably a third of The Blacks and half the "hispanics" were taking Republican ballots. Maybe they were more excited to vote against Trump/Cruz/Rubio than vote for Hillary?

One other thing amusing in the GAF thread is the assumption that the Democratic Party is mainly ideological progressives with college educations like them. Especially in Michigan, where there's a bunch of white male union workers both past and present who once voted for Reagan and Perot and Snyder. And they have outsized power in the Party compared to states with a significantly smaller union prescience. And they don't exactly see eye-to-eye with the black powerbrokers in the Party, and neither group cares much for the pro-immigrant wing.

Michigan's actually a good state to wedge apart the Democratic coalition in, especially with the antagonism between Detroit and the rest of the state, that's pretty much how Snyder won in a landslide the first time. And the GOP does a lot of painting of the Democrats as the Party of Detroit in certain places in the state.

Oh PD knows all about that

:neogaf

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:41:31 AM

All those weeks of poligaf laughing at Sanders for talking about NAFTA  :doge

"But Hillary supported the auto bailout" is like the Clinton equivalent of "but Sanders marched with MLK." A lot of those jobs are gone folks. Yea people supported the bailout, it was necessary, but a lot of people still lost their jobs and never got them back.

I heard auto bailout ads for Clinton all week (on the radio).

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:47:35 AM

Should ask Jeb!'s PAC to give me some leftover money to run a campaign for PD explaining about what Snyder was saying in 2010 in the wake of Granholm/Kwame/GM and Chrysler and who Virg Bernero is.

He was going to be our Republican Obama. :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:53:24 AM

Snyder's descent was the biggest blow to accountants since Enron.  :doge

And the biggest blow to nerds since...well nm they're always embarrassing themselves

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:54:14 AM

(http://i.giphy.com/4b5LV3soJzxOE.gif)

 :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:58:25 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:53:24 AM

Snyder's descent was the biggest blow to accountants since Enron.  :doge

And the biggest blow to nerds since...well nm they're always embarrassing themselves

Snyder also got jobbed by the GOPers who rode his coattails. They used his nerd cred as reason to ignore it all and try to pass five thousand super socially conservative bills.

I still love that the conservatives were so upset with Snyder SELLING OUT they were going to challenge his socially conservative Lt. Governor at the state convention. And then when the secret balloting on whether to bring the challenge was done more than half of them bailed out. :lol

I wonder if DWS could even make the Michigan Democratic Party worse. Shame Saul Anuzis never got to take his talents to the big game like she has. Those two matched up in some CNN show debate. :lawd

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 01:11:45 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:53:24 AM

Snyder's descent was the biggest blow to accountants since Enron.  :doge

And the biggest blow to nerds since...well nm they're always embarrassing themselves

Nerds frequently believe untrue shit, but belief in trickle down economics and privatizing necessary utilities?

:doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 01:17:43 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 01:11:45 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:53:24 AM

Snyder's descent was the biggest blow to accountants since Enron.  :doge

And the biggest blow to nerds since...well nm they're always embarrassing themselves

Nerds frequently believe untrue shit, but belief in trickle down economics and privatizing necessary utilities?

:doge

Speaking of nerds and economics, I've been cracking up about this lately
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSPQXvD_Vk
:doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 01:26:16 AM

(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/bernie-sign-illinois-575x534.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 01:27:48 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 01:17:43 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 01:11:45 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:53:24 AM

Snyder's descent was the biggest blow to accountants since Enron.  :doge

And the biggest blow to nerds since...well nm they're always embarrassing themselves

Nerds frequently believe untrue shit, but belief in trickle down economics and privatizing necessary utilities?

:doge

Speaking of nerds and economics, I've been cracking up about this lately
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSPQXvD_Vk
:doge

buh buh buh buh it's only fun if I have to grind like a no life all league long

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 01:28:51 AM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/kyleblaine/donald-trump-has-made-some-bad-tv-ad-buy-deals-in-ohio

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 09, 2016, 07:33:55 AM

Last night's loser was Nate Silver.  He, along with many other overpaid political pundits, have been biffing it hardcore this primary.  Remember in 2008 when people thought the guy was untouchable in terms of analysis and predictions and people couldn't stop jacking off to the guy?

(http://i.imgur.com/4MSaHLJ.png)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 08:20:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nouUPCwesvA

THE GOAT

3:48 in  :lawd

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 09, 2016, 08:49:57 AM

I just want to see Hillary being taken away in cuffs by the FBI so we can have a Sanders/Trump race. Is that too much to ask?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 09, 2016, 09:17:44 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 01:26:16 AM

(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/bernie-sign-illinois-575x534.jpg)

Still not equal, who wants a "nie"?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2016, 10:36:19 AM

Obama is missing Nancy Reagan's funeral to go to SXSW. Get buttrekt, Reaganauts. :lawd

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 10:39:28 AM

She wouldn't want an admitted druggie sullying her funeral anyway.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 10:40:51 AM

 :drudge CARLY FIORINIA ENDORSES TED CRUZ :drudge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2016, 10:48:49 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 10:39:28 AM

She wouldn't want an admitted druggie sullying her funeral anyway.

I'm pretty sure Jeb Bush is still going to be there.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 11:04:39 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2016, 10:48:49 AM

I'm pretty sure Jeb Bush is still going to be there.

Too low energy to be threatening...typical stoner.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 09, 2016, 11:32:23 AM

Quote from: Dufus on March 09, 2016, 10:56:13 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197964733&postcount=391

:holeup :badass

he'srightyouknow.gif

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 11:35:48 AM

He ain't wrong.

https://storify.com/wilw/the-gop-plays-its-base-as-marks-in-a-long-con-and-?utm_campaign=website&utm_source=email&utm_medium=email

Quote

14. Who did everyone think would be able to eventually beat out Trump? Jeb Bush. He had $100 million dollars to spend!

15. Why did Bush never gain traction? He's the brother of the worst president since Herbert Hoover. But no one in the GOP could admit this!

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 11:53:36 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdE27dkUUAAmAxF.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 11:55:55 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 11:35:48 AM

He ain't wrong.

https://storify.com/wilw/the-gop-plays-its-base-as-marks-in-a-long-con-and-?utm_campaign=website&utm_source=email&utm_medium=email

Quote

14. Who did everyone think would be able to eventually beat out Trump? Jeb Bush. He had $100 million dollars to spend!

15. Why did Bush never gain traction? He's the brother of the worst president since Herbert Hoover. But no one in the GOP could admit this!

Why is making a 30 part tweet series a thing now, didn't we invent twitlonger or something for this?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 12:11:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 11:55:55 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 09, 2016, 11:35:48 AM

He ain't wrong.

https://storify.com/wilw/the-gop-plays-its-base-as-marks-in-a-long-con-and-?utm_campaign=website&utm_source=email&utm_medium=email

Quote

14. Who did everyone think would be able to eventually beat out Trump? Jeb Bush. He had $100 million dollars to spend!

15. Why did Bush never gain traction? He's the brother of the worst president since Herbert Hoover. But no one in the GOP could admit this!

Why is making a 30 part tweet series a thing now, didn't we invent twitlonger or something for this?

Here's why

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 09, 2016, 12:22:17 PM

Quote

Former President George W. Bush has no plans to endorse a candidate now that his brother Jeb has dropped out of the Republican presidential primary.

“While I would never rule anything out, he definitely doesn’t have any plans to make an endorsement,” said an aide to the former president. “He and Mrs. Bush voted early in Texas for Jeb. Now, like a lot of voters, they are watching to see who can unite the party, represent conservative values and serve as president of all the people.”

If only we could have a President with such patient thoughtful loyalty and great restraint with great power like this again.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Rufus on March 09, 2016, 01:09:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 01:17:43 AM

Speaking of nerds and economics, I've been cracking up about this lately
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSPQXvD_Vk
:doge

Mors :rofl
Dude has a giant chip on his shoulder about so many things.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: nachobro on March 09, 2016, 03:01:35 PM

if the gop really wants to stop trump, they just need to get obama to endorse him

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 09, 2016, 03:24:42 PM

What The Stunning Bernie Sanders Win In Michigan Means (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-stunning-bernie-sanders-win-in-michigan-means/)

Quote

Both the FiveThirtyEight polls-plus and polls-only forecast gave Clinton a greater than 99 percent chance of winning. That’s because polling averages for primaries, while inexact, are usually not 25 percentage points off. Indeed, my colleague Nate Silver went back and found that only one primary, the 1984 Democratic primary in New Hampshire, was even on the same scale as this upset.

shoutout to PD

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 03:58:06 PM

Quote from: Rufus on March 09, 2016, 01:09:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 01:17:43 AM

Speaking of nerds and economics, I've been cracking up about this lately
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4fSPQXvD_Vk
:doge

Mors :rofl
Dude has a giant chip on his shoulder about so many things.

yup lol

Not to hijack the thread BUT I do generally believe that doling out uniques like candy is a bad thing in an arpg for the reason he states: it kills the anticipation of finding something amazing over time. The thing that kills his argument is that PoE doesn't reallydo that. Even the new league isn't that gratuitous. Plus a couple days after that video came out it became rather clear a whole lot of uniques on sale are from folks who found them before the new league and are just now selling them because of the new trading system (ie ppl who didn't use third party sites in the past).

I've found a couple great uniques this season though, including that summoner belt. Gonna sell that.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2016, 04:12:05 PM

http://www.wsaz.com/content/news/Anonymous-tip-claims-raw-milk-caused-illnesses-at-Capitol-371487251.html

Quote

CHARLESTON, W.Va. (WSAZ) -- In the weeks after passing a bill, allowing West Virginians to drink raw milk, one delegate brought the drink in to celebrate and, eventually, several lawmakers have gotten sick.
 
Some lawmakers say it's just a coincidence and a stomach bug is going around.

lol democracy

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 09, 2016, 08:17:47 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-08/cruz-s-rise-against-trump-fails-to-win-over-senate-colleagues

Quote

In interviews Tuesday with 18 senators, there was scant indication they're heeding Cruz’s call to unite behind his campaign. When asked why the Texan lacks Senate support, their answers ranged from awkward chuckles and long silences to no-comments and briskly walking into a senators-only elevator to evade the question.

Cruz's colleagues refusing to support him simply cause he's a dick is my favorite petty subplot of this whole tire fire of an election cycle.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 10:16:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCN796sdK4

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: chronovore on March 09, 2016, 10:48:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 10:16:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCN796sdK4

How about a montage of that scene, and the one where his daughter won't kiss him, and all the other times he's been Heisman'd?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 09, 2016, 11:17:51 PM

I think that's why Hannity has a hard-on for the guy. Being in proximity of him makes Sean seem more likeable.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 09, 2016, 11:25:04 PM

Ted Cruz looks like Michael Jackson dressed up as that old white guy in Ghosts.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 11:35:32 PM

It's amazing how many things have gone wrong for republicans during an election that could have been winnable. First a hundred republicans decided to run for president, muddying the field. Then Trump emerged as a front runner in late 2015 only to be met with dismissals. The moderate candidates destroyed each other and the conservatives destroyed each other, all while Donald went untouched. Now two establishment candidates and Ted Cruz are splitting the not-Trump vote which helps him. It took republicans until late February to decide to bombard Trump with negative ads but it's too late.

How is it that he dominated everyone in immigration for months before someone brought up that he's been hiring illegal immigrants for decades? Or the Trump University scam. Those attacks have hurt Trump but not enough to sink him. If they had been hurled in October or November maybe the race would be different.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2016, 12:15:41 AM

For the longest time, the candidates seemed to assume that Trump wasn't a serious threat, that he was running a fake vanity campaign that would fizzle out like Herman Cain's did.  I can't make too much fun of them for that, since I figured the same thing.

But it meant they were jockeying for position against each other, and not working to make Trump toxic to voters. Bush's PAC money mostly went towards attacking Rubio, right up until South Carolina, which is crazy to think about in retrospect.  Kasich staying in to siphon off votes has also been a super weird choice.

The behind-the-scenes books about this primary are going to be great.  There is so much fuckery to be documented.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2016, 02:43:46 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 10, 2016, 12:19:44 AM

I want to point out that I saw Trump as a serious threat to win it as far back as last summer.

Got into an argument with Jonathan Bernstein in his comments section about it. I think history has pronounced me the winner of that exchange.

Our very own Edgar Ansel Mowrer.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2016, 04:31:40 AM

Everybody knows I've been harping on the immigration thing in the GOP to the point of annoyance, and PD knows I mocked PollinGAF for their Jeb! is unstoppable, Trump isn't for real, etc. but I still figured Trump would give up more ground than he has.

The part I liked most about the Taibbi piece was actually that he articulated what I tried to a few months earlier, that the media treatment of these things had become so sports-coverage like that a candidate could literally do what Trump has done and not suffer for it. A billionaire with reality show experience just made him even more perfect to roll with it.

The field of candidates was also oddly weird. Cruz's campaign is the only one that's really made any sense from start to today.

Quote from: Mandark on March 10, 2016, 12:15:41 AM

Bush's PAC money mostly went towards attacking Rubio, right up until South Carolina, which is crazy to think about in retrospect.

Did you see the piece linked in here a few weeks ago after he dropped out that the Jeb teams main strategy was to basically box out Romney and that was all they assumed they had to do, so they just ignored everyone else. Which was one reason they raced to get all that PAC money out front early to ward him off and try to say "we've already got the donors sry."

Also, that Iraq disaster out of the gate was amazing.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2016, 04:31:56 AM

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160219123502-04-week-in-politics-0221-exlarge-169.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 10, 2016, 04:45:01 AM

benji, if we're gonna be talking about how much you laughed at the sheeple for their poor understanding of the race, we're also gonna have to talk about your boy Scott Walker.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2016, 04:51:48 AM

He saw the disaster coming and will ride forth to save the party in four years.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brawndolicious on March 10, 2016, 09:18:53 AM

Everyone should know that the GOP is in their experimental college phase after being a loser throughout high school and so shame on anyone who never considered media-savvy attention whore like Trump as a serious contender for the nom. I never/still don't think Trump ever had a chance in the general election since he lacks the actual trust of those with socially conservative values and yet shows he's xenophobic enough to turn off minorities and young conservatives who don't want to end up on the wrong side of history like their parents.

This election is for sure going to be remembered as Republicans losing to themselves.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: zomgee on March 10, 2016, 09:18:57 AM

Quote from: Dufus on March 10, 2016, 05:22:35 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 10, 2016, 04:31:56 AM

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160219123502-04-week-in-politics-0221-exlarge-169.jpg)

old pic, and apparently the baby died :fbm

Holy crap:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/social-medias-month-bernie-sanders-lookalike-died-37380469

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 10, 2016, 09:44:12 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-emails-indictment-ramos

Quote

Hillary Clinton on Wednesday night brushed off the question of whether she would drop out of the presidential race if she were indicted in connection with the ongoing investigation into her private email server as she was pressed repeatedly by Univision debate moderator Jorge Ramos.

"Oh, for goodness -- that's not going to happen. I'm not even answering that question," she replied sharply at one point

(http://i.imgur.com/Sk1GHHf.png)
That's going to throw some righties into a fever pitch.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 10, 2016, 10:36:35 AM

Sounds to me like she's scared and doesn't want to commit to an answer  :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 10, 2016, 10:37:24 AM

Hillary is going to get 4-8 but not the 4-8 she was hoping for.

 :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 10, 2016, 11:17:38 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/otxelYv.jpg)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 10, 2016, 11:26:07 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 12:21:38 AM

GAF thread is pretty funny right now. Also shows how many people truly do view black people as a monolith, voting wise. Southern black voters in Mississippi are very different from urban black voters in Detroit or Ann Arbor.

They also think all Hispanics are Cuban exiles, rather then, I dont know, from Mexico or Central America?

The "analysis" from Hillary-gaf on how Hispanics will react to Bernies thoughts in the 1980s is so hilariously bad I thought I accidentally clicked on Pop-GAF

I watched the debate on Univision NYC and afterwards they had an Hispanic focus group.

They unanimously said Bernie won.

They were asked what their favorite parts were. Free college and healthcare of course, but one woman said "I really liked how Bernie knows about American intervention in Latin America and how that affected us"

The fact is, Hillarys hawkish intervention past is toxic for Hispanics because US intervention in the Americans is hated by 99% of them (us).

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 10, 2016, 11:34:49 AM

Quote

[Glenn]Beck said ever since Drudge started “hanging out with Alex Jones,” he’s gone to “this weird conspiratorial” place where he can’t even “trust any news coming from him anymore.”

 :lol

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2016, 11:45:36 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdMvar8W8AA8Uau.jpg)
:whoo
:lawd

I need to read this piece during the weekend, sounds fascinating.

The Obama Doctrine (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 10, 2016, 11:57:28 AM

Not doing stupid shit sounds like a solid gameplan actually.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2016, 01:43:29 PM

Quote from: Dennis on March 10, 2016, 11:57:28 AM

Not doing stupid shit sounds like a solid gameplan actually.

I'm getting tired of the suffocating anti-Americanism on this forum.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2016, 02:51:34 PM

Quote from: Dennis on March 10, 2016, 11:57:28 AM

Not doing stupid shit sounds like a solid gameplan actually.

Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed but free to explore extramarital encounters.

Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people?

Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but... but it might work for us.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 10, 2016, 03:58:45 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/nUHTuHn.jpg)

the guy who writes dilbert remains good.

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/140800778006/lets-talk-about-hitler

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2016, 04:16:40 PM

Obama's black with an African father, but that didn't stop him from being compared to Hitler. :heh

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 10, 2016, 04:17:27 PM

I'd never even heard of this Hitler guy before I started reading anti-Trump articles.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 10, 2016, 04:24:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2016, 11:45:36 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdMvar8W8AA8Uau.jpg)
:whoo
:lawd

I need to read this piece during the weekend, sounds fascinating.

The Obama Doctrine (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/)

gonna read it too, atlantic is my new guilty pleasure they've released some quality stuff the past few months

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: helios on March 10, 2016, 05:34:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2016, 11:45:36 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdMvar8W8AA8Uau.jpg)
:whoo
:lawd

I need to read this piece during the weekend, sounds fascinating.

The Obama Doctrine (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/)

Quote

Obama felt that Netanyahu was behaving in a condescending fashion, and was also avoiding the subject at hand: peace negotiations. Finally, the president interrupted the prime minister: “Bibi, you have to understand something,” he said. “I’m the African American son of a single mother, and I live here, in this house. I live in the White House. I managed to get elected president of the United States. You think I don’t understand what you’re talking about, but I do.”

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 10, 2016, 07:15:59 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/carson-plans-endorse-trump

Drumpf adds a new bride to his vault

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2016, 07:59:00 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/john-mcgraw-protester-kill-him-next-time

A Donald Trump rally attendee who appears to be the same man charged with assault for allegedly punching a black protester told Inside Edition after the Wednesday event that next time, he "might have to kill" the protester.

“You bet I liked it," a man Inside Edition identified as John McGraw, 78, told the tabloid TV show when asked about the incident. "Knocking the hell out of that big mouth.”

In a viral video, McGraw appeared to sucker-punch protester Rakeem Jones as he was being escorted out of the room by authorities.

When asked by Inside Edition why he did it, McGraw said, "We don’t know who he is, but we know he’s not acting like an American. Yes, he deserved it. The next time we see him, we might have to kill him. We don’t know who he is. He might be with a terrorist organization.”

Trump's key demographic, everybody.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: curly on March 10, 2016, 09:04:21 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2016, 11:45:36 AM

:whoo
:lawd

I need to read this piece during the weekend, sounds fascinating.

The Obama Doctrine (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/)

Why is Obama's go-to guy to talk about his foreign policy an ex-Israeli security guard

This fucking country

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 10, 2016, 10:50:30 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5chvH69P1M

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2016, 12:14:10 AM

Video went private. What was it?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: thisismyusername on March 11, 2016, 12:41:17 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 11, 2016, 12:14:10 AM

Video went private. What was it?

:confused

It's not private. But here's the description on Youtube:

"Fox Business News brought out a guest to bash Bernie Sanders for being a socialist. Little did they know, it was about to go HORRIBLY wrong for them. Instead of bashing Bernie Sanders, he explained what socialism is, and actually ENDORSED Bernie Sanders. "

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on March 11, 2016, 04:53:15 AM

Quote from: chronovore on March 09, 2016, 10:48:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 09, 2016, 10:16:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCN796sdK4

How about a montage of that scene, and the one where his daughter won't kiss him, and all the other times he's been Heisman'd?

Throw this in there too.

http://webmshare.com/play/57jGB

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 11, 2016, 05:08:08 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2016, 11:45:36 AM

I need to read this piece during the weekend, sounds fascinating.

The Obama Doctrine (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/)

Quote

But once he decides that a particular challenge represents a direct national-security threat, he has shown a willingness to act unilaterally. This is one of the larger ironies of the Obama presidency: He has relentlessly questioned the efficacy of force, but he has also become the most successful terrorist-hunter in the history of the presidency, one who will hand to his successor a set of tools an accomplished assassin would envy. “He applies different standards to direct threats to the U.S.,” Ben Rhodes says. “For instance, despite his misgivings about Syria, he has not had a second thought about drones.” Some critics argue he should have had a few second thoughts about what they see as the overuse of drones. But John Brennan, Obama’s CIA director, told me recently that he and the president “have similar views. One of them is that sometimes you have to take a life to save even more lives. We have a similar view of just-war theory. The president requires near-certainty of no collateral damage. But if he believes it is necessary to act, he doesn’t hesitate.”

the writer letting this statement go unremarked is pretty wild if this is supposed to be something more than a fluff piece :spin

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2016, 09:34:36 AM

He probably was talking about American lives

 :american

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 11, 2016, 10:30:19 AM

Virgin Islands Caucus

9 Delegates at stake

300 voters bothered to show up

0 delegates assigned

Party in disarray

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2016, 03:54:38 PM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 11, 2016, 12:29:18 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 11, 2016, 09:34:36 AM

He probably was talking about American lives

 :american

Benghazi

He probably was talking about Liberal Socialist Democrat American lives

 :usacry

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2016, 05:50:26 PM

Quote

“It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS in the 1980s. And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan, in particular, Mrs. Reagan, we started national conversation when before no one would talk about it, no one wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that really appreciated, with her very effective, low-key advocacy, but it penetrated the public conscience and people began to say ‘Hey, we have to do something about this too.’”
~Hillary Clinton

 :confused :heh :heh :heh

(http://i.imgur.com/f03dvJY.png)

Hillary, we're gonna need you to try a little harder, dear. :doge

Signed,
A low-key Hillary advocate

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Trent Dole on March 11, 2016, 05:59:13 PM

Hillary - She's less shit than Trump or whoever else of those guys gets the nomination! But only slightly.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2016, 06:24:48 PM

It's a pretty remarkable fuck-up, not just cause it's wrong, but because the Reagan administration's callousness towards AIDS victims is still very much a sore point with the gay community.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 11, 2016, 06:26:00 PM

“It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about integration in the 1960s. And because of George Wallace we started a national conversation when before no one would talk about it, no one wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something that really appreciated, with his very effective, low-key advocacy, but it penetrated the public conscience and people began to say ‘Hey, we have to do something about this too.’”

 :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 11, 2016, 06:42:24 PM

it's a shitty situation because 1) nancy reagan just died so you can't very well be negative about her to the press and 2) nancy reagan did start a conversation about aids...five years too late.

it's like she struggled to choose the one thing she could think of to say about the woman that was politically relevant and not horrible.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 11, 2016, 06:43:50 PM

the way reddit and gaf would tell it though, somehow she was doing it specifically to spite rock hudson and freddie mercury and then she cackled madly and punched a cute sloth in the neck

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Steve Contra on March 11, 2016, 06:52:56 PM

Of all the shit a democrat could say about Nancy Reagan, you choose AIDS :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2016, 07:49:03 PM

Trump rally in Chicago was cancelled.

Apparently a lot of protesters were there, and things were getting pretty rowdy.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 11, 2016, 07:51:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxZP-gFhabs

live feed

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Boogie on March 11, 2016, 08:25:18 PM

Well damn.

This feels like, and I hope it is, some sort of turning point.

Not for Trump's shot at the nomination, of course.  Fuck that.

But, early as it is, this feels a bit of a wake up call of "of course this is what the rise of Trump will result in."   

Let him have the nomination.  I pray that tonight will open the eyes of the general public that this is not a president that America can have in 2016.

As a representative of "law and order", I really shouldn't say this, but good on Chicago.  You've made a statement tonight.

aaaand also, on that note.  kudos to Chicago PD so far.   They've gotten (and maybe earned) a bad rap recently.  But they seem to have represented themselves well tonight, handling the situation with due restraint.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: thisismyusername on March 11, 2016, 08:32:00 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 10, 2016, 11:45:36 AM

I need to read this piece during the weekend, sounds fascinating.

The Obama Doctrine (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/)

I'm still going through this, but this is a great article. I didn't know Obama was focusing on Asian countries and the Energy crisis so heavily.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: wsippel on March 11, 2016, 09:08:06 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on March 11, 2016, 05:59:13 PM

Hillary - She's less shit than Trump or whoever else of those guys gets the nomination! But only slightly.

Looking at her involvement in Honduras, Libya and Syria, I'm not really sure about that.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: thisismyusername on March 11, 2016, 09:10:06 PM

https://twitter.com/dansinker/status/708434407808368640

:dead

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2016, 12:21:06 AM

Nominate this man. Please. 60 disapproval ratings among voters. 80% disapproval among Hispanics, probably higher among blacks.

Imagine how ugly the Republican convention will be in Cleveland if he's the nominee. Oh boy. Not to mention the fact that Hillary has already called him a bigot, and I assume Obama and Bill will spend the summer and fall doing the same.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: VomKriege on March 12, 2016, 01:23:12 AM

Should we be really waiting with glee for what you already think will be an ugly event ?
Also we all know what spin will be applied : urban liberal maoists disrupting a perfectly innocent, democratic rally. Political correctness gone mad. Trump will whip some outrage good out of his prospective voters. I don't think he'll lose anything : by now I think everyone concerned is aware of how dangerous he is.

Otherwise I don't know if it's been said, but with Trump you are getting the rough equivalence of Western Europe politics for the last 20 years, except he already flashed to hijacking a legitimate party. I don't know on which side of the Atlantic this reflects more poorly on.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: curly on March 12, 2016, 03:47:58 AM

Quote from: octopushover on March 11, 2016, 06:42:24 PM

it's a shitty situation because 1) nancy reagan just died so you can't very well be negative about her to the press and 2) nancy reagan did start a conversation about aids...five years too late.

it's like she struggled to choose the one thing she could think of to say about the woman that was politically relevant and not horrible.

 :gurl How hard is it to not mention AIDS. No one is asking her to spit on Nancy Reagan's grave, just say the nice things about her work with Alzheimer's and stem cell research.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 12, 2016, 03:53:25 AM

I get the feeling that's what she was going for, but had an old-person brainfart and picked the wrong disease.

Someone's gotta be checking this shit, though.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brawndolicious on March 12, 2016, 03:57:49 AM

I don't think Donald Trump wants to win the nomination because he is smart enough to know what his numbers will be going into the general election. His base of support stayed pretty constant since he announced and the base of voters opposed to him will probably also stay constant. He's not very difficult to yuuuuge judgements on.

What I think he's hoping for is the Republican leadership to dump him at the convention and give him a platform to go down as an independent martyr. I don't know if that's really going to happen but he has a lot to lose going in as the GOP nominee since his loss will be entirely his own fault.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 12, 2016, 04:00:46 AM

Anyone running for president has a surplus of ego and ambition.  Romney apparently thought he was going to win in 2012, Bernie didn't have a concession speech prepared for Nevada, etc.  Is there any doubt that Trump believes he can win, or that he's surrounding himself with advisers who will tell him what he wants to hear?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: VomKriege on March 12, 2016, 04:41:12 AM

People have been saying that for months now and well... here we are. Can the Party even really dump him at this point without destroying its own credibility ?

An election is decided when ballots are cast and not a minute before. With an ego like that, I certainly would believe he expects to convince more voters, for current events to turn the tide his way (Betting on a couple noticeable Islamist terrorist atrocities anywhere in the world in the space of several months is pretty safe, for instance) or for his opponent to make an atrocious gaffe.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 12, 2016, 10:13:41 AM

Quote from: curly on March 12, 2016, 03:47:58 AM

Quote from: octopushover on March 11, 2016, 06:42:24 PM

it's a shitty situation because 1) nancy reagan just died so you can't very well be negative about her to the press and 2) nancy reagan did start a conversation about aids...five years too late.

it's like she struggled to choose the one thing she could think of to say about the woman that was politically relevant and not horrible.

 :gurl How hard is it to not mention AIDS. No one is asking her to spit on Nancy Reagan's grave, just say the nice things about her work with Alzheimer's and stem cell research.

don't get me wrong, it's a stupid and incredibly unfortunate gaffe.

i just don't think it's a big red flag about her "real" views or "real" plans.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 12, 2016, 10:25:05 AM

Jesus, Hillary has been terrible lately.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: brob on March 12, 2016, 10:25:57 AM

trying to fight GOP and Sanders with literally every statement she makes is making Clinton look kinda funny

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/708526634459078656

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 12, 2016, 10:49:17 AM

i'm beginning to accept that the next 4 years if not 8 will be shit either way
 :usacry

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: VomKriege on March 12, 2016, 11:03:07 AM

hair icon, pantsuit aficionado
Real issues.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2016, 11:12:58 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on March 12, 2016, 11:03:07 AM

hair icon, pantsuit aficionado
Real issues.

Those aren't pantsuits. They're from JC Penney's licensed Kim Jong Un line of casual wear.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: mormapope on March 12, 2016, 11:13:46 AM

Quote from: octopushover on March 12, 2016, 10:13:41 AM

Quote from: curly on March 12, 2016, 03:47:58 AM

Quote from: octopushover on March 11, 2016, 06:42:24 PM

it's a shitty situation because 1) nancy reagan just died so you can't very well be negative about her to the press and 2) nancy reagan did start a conversation about aids...five years too late.

it's like she struggled to choose the one thing she could think of to say about the woman that was politically relevant and not horrible.

 :gurl How hard is it to not mention AIDS. No one is asking her to spit on Nancy Reagan's grave, just say the nice things about her work with Alzheimer's and stem cell research.

don't get me wrong, it's a stupid and incredibly unfortunate gaffe.

i just don't think it's a big red flag about her "real" views or "real" plans.

True. Hilary's views and plans can change dramatically over the course of five minutes, depending on how many cameras and people are in a room.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 12, 2016, 12:50:18 PM

Quote from: mormapope on March 12, 2016, 11:13:46 AM

Quote from: octopushover on March 12, 2016, 10:13:41 AM

Quote from: curly on March 12, 2016, 03:47:58 AM

Quote from: octopushover on March 11, 2016, 06:42:24 PM

it's a shitty situation because 1) nancy reagan just died so you can't very well be negative about her to the press and 2) nancy reagan did start a conversation about aids...five years too late.

it's like she struggled to choose the one thing she could think of to say about the woman that was politically relevant and not horrible.

 :gurl How hard is it to not mention AIDS. No one is asking her to spit on Nancy Reagan's grave, just say the nice things about her work with Alzheimer's and stem cell research.

don't get me wrong, it's a stupid and incredibly unfortunate gaffe.

i just don't think it's a big red flag about her "real" views or "real" plans.

True. Hilary's views and plans can change dramatically over the course of five minutes, depending on how many cameras and people are in a room.

I also don't get the pandering argument in this case. If she's such a pro at pandering who did she think she was pandering to? LGBTs? Obviously not with Reagan involved. Reaganites? Obviously not with HIV involved.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: thisismyusername on March 12, 2016, 01:21:35 PM

Quote from: octopushover on March 12, 2016, 10:13:41 AM

Quote from: curly on March 12, 2016, 03:47:58 AM

Quote from: octopushover on March 11, 2016, 06:42:24 PM

it's a shitty situation because 1) nancy reagan just died so you can't very well be negative about her to the press and 2) nancy reagan did start a conversation about aids...five years too late.

it's like she struggled to choose the one thing she could think of to say about the woman that was politically relevant and not horrible.

 :gurl How hard is it to not mention AIDS. No one is asking her to spit on Nancy Reagan's grave, just say the nice things about her work with Alzheimer's and stem cell research.

don't get me wrong, it's a stupid and incredibly unfortunate gaffe.

i just don't think it's a big red flag about her "real" views or "real" plans.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4a3tv8/bill_on_hillary_you_know_ive_had_much_more/

Leads to:

http://www.queerty.com/bill-clinton-cautioned-that-hillarys-discomfort-around-gay-issues-would-hurt-her-2000-senate-bid-20150924

Quote

Then, according to Branch, the president reflected on having signed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996, allowing states to pass same-sex marriage bans, telling his friend, “I thought it was right at the time, and I’m not sure that it is.”

“[Bill] said, ‘Generally I support the gay agenda right down the line,’” said Branch. “He said this was hard for me, and I’m sure there are still a few things that are hard for me to swallow.”

Then Clinton reportedly told Branch that, “Hillary, emotionally speaking, still finds the issue harder to swallow than I do. And that it could be difficult for her in New York politics, how far she’ll be asked to go.”

:gurl And it's not just Bill, anyone that has seen Clinton (both of them, really) knows their policies and views are a bit skeptical at times. But Hillary's in general only change depending on how it benefits her politically.

Just to go down that article because I know I ribbed Andy over his fantactism toward her when she really doesn't support teh gheys if you notice it:

Quote

Branch concluded that Clinton was “essentially I think saying that Hillary had kind of a conservative religious temperament, and was not likely to be comfortable around gay people who were kind of acting out, or pushing her to the limit. She did have general discomfort.”

Hillary’s evolution on gay rights has been a touchy subject for the 2016 Democratic front-runner, and this recording adds to speculation that she may have felt the need to come out in favor of marriage equality for political reasons — a point which ruffled her feathers when Terry Gross pressed her about it on Fresh Air last June.

“I think you’re trying to say I used to be opposed and now I’m in favor and I did it for political reasons, and that’s just flat wrong,” Clinton told Gross, annoyance in her voice.

By contrast, fellow Democratic hopeful Bernie Sanders has a well-documented track record standing up for gay rights for decades.

Yet Clinton has developed a passionate and vocal support base among gay men, something George Chauncey Jr., a professor of history and American studies at Yale and author of Gay New York: Gender, Urban Culture and the Making of the Gay Male World, attributes in no small part to “that resonance of the long-suffering woman with older gay men,” pointing to Judy Garland as a reference point.

:dead

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 12, 2016, 02:23:17 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdXRawKUUAA89lE.jpg)
Great Rumbler and JoeMolotov representing the Bore
:lawd

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: doctavius bonbon on March 12, 2016, 03:33:33 PM

https://twitter.com/search?q=historybyhillary&src=typd

:rofl

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Sausage on March 12, 2016, 03:44:44 PM

https://twitter.com/amychozick/status/708713916415741953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/708714719675199488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/ariannaijones/status/708718147357057024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

whoops

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Trent Dole on March 12, 2016, 04:46:48 PM

Is ANYONE checking ANYTHING before she goes and says it? JFC. :duh

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 12, 2016, 05:35:04 PM

Dude, cmon. No likes for you.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 12, 2016, 06:43:20 PM

Quote from: Sausage on March 12, 2016, 03:44:44 PM

https://twitter.com/amychozick/status/708713916415741953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/cascamike/status/708714719675199488?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

https://twitter.com/ariannaijones/status/708718147357057024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

whoops

lol yeah that's stupid as hell

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 12, 2016, 06:57:01 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 12, 2016, 05:14:50 PM

Would be great if at least one right wing blogger could have a heart attack or stroke after Hillary wins in November. I mean if every single one of them keeled over and died, that would also be great, but a major cardiovascular event or two would be satisfactory.

I'm sorry, the DNC's Death Note was already used on Scalia and can only be deployed very sparingly.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: thisismyusername on March 12, 2016, 08:34:20 PM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on March 12, 2016, 03:33:33 PM

https://twitter.com/search?q=historybyhillary&src=typd

:rofl

I was coming to post this and the "Bernie is right behind you!" tweets. But I see you guys got it.

:banderas

https://twitter.com/TCorp/status/708801999924563968

 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 12, 2016, 09:02:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06d4t1704N8

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2016, 09:57:43 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/clinton-throws-flash-grenade-divert-attention-ques-52499
:rofl

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2016, 10:04:37 PM

Quote

"I'm going to ask that you arrest them," Trump said to the police. "I'll file whatever charges you want. If they want to do this ... we're going to go strongly for your arrests."

Trump said arresting protesters would "ruin the rest of their lives" by giving them a "big arrest mark."

It's gonna be a yooge arrest, really classy. Some of the best people are going to be handling this arrest.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Dennis on March 12, 2016, 10:38:32 PM

Trump was...negotiating...with the police?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2016, 10:44:00 PM

He said the police told him to call off his rally in Chicago because of safety concerns, but the police were like "no we didn't, wtf?"

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: VomKriege on March 13, 2016, 04:12:29 AM

Trump really going for that Halo dudebro demographic.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 13, 2016, 04:23:50 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on March 13, 2016, 04:12:29 AM

Trump really going for that Halo dudebro demographic.

saw a group of them wearing Trump shirts today. They did look and sound exactly like the guys who would call me queer during a Halo match.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: thisismyusername on March 13, 2016, 08:39:43 AM

I know everyone here says Trump support is with the working class but it's good to have the data:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html

Quote

Mr. Trump has his share of support from the affluent and the well educated, but in the places where support for Mr. Trump runs the strongest, the proportion of the white population that didn’t finish high school is relatively high. So is the proportion of working-age adults who neither have a job nor are looking for one. The third-strongest correlation among hundreds of variables tested: the preponderance of mobile homes.

(And so on, on down in the article)

Interestingly:

Quote

Despite Mr. Trump’s racially loaded message on the campaign trail, and evidence that some individual Trump voters are driven by racial hostility, this analysis didn’t show a particularly powerful relationship between the racial breakdown of a county and its likelihood of voting for Trump. There are Trump-supporting counties where very high proportions of the population are African-American and others where it was very low, for example.

:doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: tiesto on March 13, 2016, 02:18:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0ZTKaMcqCM

Bright kids...

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:08:09 AM

We should start a death pool on when the first person will die at a Trump rally. I've got this Friday (3/18) in the pool.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2016, 02:18:03 AM

 :usacry  :gloomy :usacry :gloomy :usacry :gloomy :usacry

Quote from: Ben Shaprio

As a close personal friend and mentee of Andrew Breitbart’s, it saddens me tremendously to announce that as of 9:00 p.m. Pacific Time, I have resigned from Breitbart News as editor-at-large. I met Andrew Breitbart when I was seventeen years old and remained his friend until his tragic death; I signed on with Breitbart News two weeks before Andrew’s death because I believed in his mission.

I am proud of what we accomplished in the years following his death, fighting back against the leftist media and debunking the left’s key narratives. I have many good friends at Breitbart News, including editor-in-chief Alex Marlow and editor-at-large John Nolte, and I admire CEO Larry Solov for his dedication to ensuring a financial future for Andrew’s widow, Susie, and his four children.

Andrew built his life and his career on one mission: fight the bullies. But Andrew’s life mission has been betrayed. Indeed, Breitbart News, under the chairmanship of Steve Bannon, has put a stake through the heart of Andrew’s legacy. In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew’s mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump; he has shaped the company into Trump’s personal Pravda, to the extent that he abandoned and undercut his own reporter, Breitbart News’ Michelle Fields, in order to protect Trump’s bully campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who allegedly assaulted Michelle. I spoke with Michelle the night after the incident. She told me her story. That story was backed by audiotape, eyewitness testimony from The Washington Post’s Ben Terris, physical bruises, and video tape.

Both Lewandowski and Trump maligned Michelle in the most repulsive fashion. Meanwhile, Breitbart News not only stood by and did nothing outside of tepidly asking for an apology, they then attempted to abandon Michelle by silencing staff from tweeting or talking about the issue. Finally, in the ultimate indignity, they undermined Michelle completely by running a poorly-evidenced conspiracy theory as their lead story in which Michelle and Terris had somehow misidentified Lewandowski.

This is disgusting. Andrew never would have stood for it. No news outlet would stand for it.

Nobody should.

This truly breaks my heart. But, as I am fond of saying, facts don’t care about your feelings, and the facts are undeniable: Breitbart News has become precisely the reverse of what Andrew would have wanted. Steve Bannon and those who follow his lead should be ashamed of themselves.

Quote from: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/michelle-fields-ben-shapiro-resign-from-breitbart#.vgE2njB5d

The exodus, which began with the company’s spokesman Kurt Bardella, is unlikely to end with Fields and Shapiro. Three sources say multiple staffers are searching for a way out of the company — with several actively circulating résumés, according to two sources — and more resignations could follow in the coming days and weeks. The company is known for having editorial employees sign unusually strict contracts, at least some of which include non-compete clauses that could make it difficult to leave Breitbart for another news outlet.

Relations between Bannon and the site’s staff — which were already fraught with tension over the direction and editorial vision for the company — have deteriorated sharply over the episode with the Trump campaign. According to one company source with knowledge of the situation, some editors have discussed telling Breitbart News CEO Larry Solov they will quit unless Bannon is ousted.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2016, 02:24:36 AM

Turns out, the Trump rally wasn't a Safe Space. (http://i.imgur.com/sDTedEH.png)

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: VomKriege on March 14, 2016, 08:08:20 AM

Was watching a Daily Show bit : is it true that all the products he displayed in his victory speech were total BS, with the Trump winery saying on their website they are neither owned or affiliated with him when he claimed 100% ownership (and dared the journalist to do their research) ?

I mean at this point, it has to be a social experiment ? Dude is straight lying on national TV about things that can be verified through a Google search.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: thisismyusername on March 14, 2016, 08:20:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2016, 02:18:03 AM

:usacry  :gloomy :usacry :gloomy :usacry :gloomy :usacry

Quote from: Ben Shaprio

As a close personal friend and mentee of Andrew Breitbart’s, it saddens me tremendously to announce that as of 9:00 p.m. Pacific Time, I have resigned from Breitbart News as editor-at-large. I met Andrew Breitbart when I was seventeen years old and remained his friend until his tragic death; I signed on with Breitbart News two weeks before Andrew’s death because I believed in his mission.

I am proud of what we accomplished in the years following his death, fighting back against the leftist media and debunking the left’s key narratives. I have many good friends at Breitbart News, including editor-in-chief Alex Marlow and editor-at-large John Nolte, and I admire CEO Larry Solov for his dedication to ensuring a financial future for Andrew’s widow, Susie, and his four children.

Andrew built his life and his career on one mission: fight the bullies. But Andrew’s life mission has been betrayed. Indeed, Breitbart News, under the chairmanship of Steve Bannon, has put a stake through the heart of Andrew’s legacy. In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew’s mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump; he has shaped the company into Trump’s personal Pravda, to the extent that he abandoned and undercut his own reporter, Breitbart News’ Michelle Fields, in order to protect Trump’s bully campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who allegedly assaulted Michelle. I spoke with Michelle the night after the incident. She told me her story. That story was backed by audiotape, eyewitness testimony from The Washington Post’s Ben Terris, physical bruises, and video tape.

Both Lewandowski and Trump maligned Michelle in the most repulsive fashion. Meanwhile, Breitbart News not only stood by and did nothing outside of tepidly asking for an apology, they then attempted to abandon Michelle by silencing staff from tweeting or talking about the issue. Finally, in the ultimate indignity, they undermined Michelle completely by running a poorly-evidenced conspiracy theory as their lead story in which Michelle and Terris had somehow misidentified Lewandowski.

This is disgusting. Andrew never would have stood for it. No news outlet would stand for it.

Nobody should.

This truly breaks my heart. But, as I am fond of saying, facts don’t care about your feelings, and the facts are undeniable: Breitbart News has become precisely the reverse of what Andrew would have wanted. Steve Bannon and those who follow his lead should be ashamed of themselves.

Quote from: http://www.buzzfeed.com/rosiegray/michelle-fields-ben-shapiro-resign-from-breitbart#.vgE2njB5d

The exodus, which began with the company’s spokesman Kurt Bardella, is unlikely to end with Fields and Shapiro. Three sources say multiple staffers are searching for a way out of the company — with several actively circulating résumés, according to two sources — and more resignations could follow in the coming days and weeks. The company is known for having editorial employees sign unusually strict contracts, at least some of which include non-compete clauses that could make it difficult to leave Breitbart for another news outlet.

Relations between Bannon and the site’s staff — which were already fraught with tension over the direction and editorial vision for the company — have deteriorated sharply over the episode with the Trump campaign. According to one company source with knowledge of the situation, some editors have discussed telling Breitbart News CEO Larry Solov they will quit unless Bannon is ousted.

Actually, it's about ethics in Trump Journalism?

On a less mean-joke: I hope the people that find the CEO vile find better jobs and actually turn their shitty journalism around.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 08:47:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 14, 2016, 02:18:03 AM

:usacry  :gloomy :usacry :gloomy :usacry :gloomy :usacry

Quote from: Ben Shaprio

As a close personal friend and mentee of Andrew Breitbart’s, it saddens me tremendously to announce that as of 9:00 p.m. Pacific Time, I have resigned from Breitbart News as editor-at-large. I met Andrew Breitbart when I was seventeen years old and remained his friend until his tragic death; I signed on with Breitbart News two weeks before Andrew’s death because I believed in his mission.

I am proud of what we accomplished in the years following his death, fighting back against the leftist media and debunking the left’s key narratives. I have many good friends at Breitbart News, including editor-in-chief Alex Marlow and editor-at-large John Nolte, and I admire CEO Larry Solov for his dedication to ensuring a financial future for Andrew’s widow, Susie, and his four children.

Andrew built his life and his career on one mission: fight the bullies. But Andrew’s life mission has been betrayed. Indeed, Breitbart News, under the chairmanship of Steve Bannon, has put a stake through the heart of Andrew’s legacy. In my opinion, Steve Bannon is a bully, and has sold out Andrew’s mission in order to back another bully, Donald Trump; he has shaped the company into Trump’s personal Pravda, to the extent that he abandoned and undercut his own reporter, Breitbart News’ Michelle Fields, in order to protect Trump’s bully campaign manager, Corey Lewandowski, who allegedly assaulted Michelle. I spoke with Michelle the night after the incident. She told me her story. That story was backed by audiotape, eyewitness testimony from The Washington Post’s Ben Terris, physical bruises, and video tape.

Both Lewandowski and Trump maligned Michelle in the most repulsive fashion. Meanwhile, Breitbart News not only stood by and did nothing outside of tepidly asking for an apology, they then attempted to abandon Michelle by silencing staff from tweeting or talking about the issue. Finally, in the ultimate indignity, they undermined Michelle completely by running a poorly-evidenced conspiracy theory as their lead story in which Michelle and Terris had somehow misidentified Lewandowski.

This is disgusting. Andrew never would have stood for it. No news outlet would stand for it.

Nobody should.

This truly breaks my heart. But, as I am fond of saying, facts don’t care about your feelings, and the facts are undeniable: Breitbart News has become precisely the reverse of what Andrew would have wanted. Steve Bannon and those who follow his lead should be ashamed of themselves.

 :cac
It's ok when your shitty tabloid is shitty to other people, but when it's shitty to your own that crosses the line? 

Eat a dick, scumbag. :sheik

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 14, 2016, 09:26:49 AM

That's weird. Trump is the exact guy that Breitbart wanted as a candidate for years. I used to listen to him when he would come on Adam Carolla's podcast and he would opine for an 'outsider' that spoke frankly. He would blow smoke up Adam's ass and tell him he could make a good presidential candidate one day.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2016, 09:28:09 AM

Quote

This truly breaks my heart. But, as I am fond of saying, facts don’t care about your feelings, and the facts are undeniable: Breitbart News has become precisely the reverse of what Andrew would have wanted.

reverse-Brietbartism
:ohhh

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2016, 10:01:09 AM

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"Has anybody bought that wine? I want to know what that wine tastes like," a laughing Obama said at a Democratic Party fundraiser Saturday. "I mean, come on. You know that's like some $5 wine. They slap a label on it. They charge you $50 and say it's the greatest wine ever."

"Come on," Obama said, still laughing. "Oh, boy. Selling wine. That's not what we're for. Couldn't make it up."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/obama-trolls-trump-wine
:dead

You know Trump is furious over this :dead

I'm going to need Steve Contra's opinion on Trump Wine.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 10:29:11 AM

I will say this. He's right about one thing for sure. There were definitely professional plants catering to Sanders at the Cleveland event. They were way to well organized to be random people who met up on site.

Not sure who's funding them but this much is clear.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: nachobro on March 14, 2016, 10:57:37 AM

I wouldn't be surprised. Sanders finally doing something worthwhile with all that dough from the jobless and college shmucks.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Shenmue3 on March 14, 2016, 11:12:23 AM

Kasich.. It's your time

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 11:24:41 AM

Quote from: Shenmue3 on March 14, 2016, 11:12:23 AM

Kasich.. It's your time

I live in Ohio, allow me to respond with a robust "who?" and let you know that pretty much sums up our state's thoughts on Kasich.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 11:41:17 AM

Kasich has caught up to Trump in the latest polls (they're basically tied)

Will be interesting to see how the violence over the weekend affects Tuesdays primaries. I think Trump wins Florida, Illinois, and North Carolina. Kasich wins Ohio and Cruz wins Missouri.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 11:51:42 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 11:41:17 AM

Kasich has caught up to Trump in the latest polls (they're basically tied)

Will be interesting to see how the violence over the weekend affects Tuesdays primaries. I think Trump wins Florida, Illinois, and North Carolina. Kasich wins Ohio and Cruz wins Missouri.

Kasich wins Ohio
Trump wins all of the rest
Put a bullet in Cruz, he dead.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 11:53:02 AM

Dinesh Disouza looks like a brown Mr. Bean.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: nachobro on March 14, 2016, 12:19:24 PM

Kasich seems like such a zero but even that is impressive when compared to Rubio and Cruz

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 12:20:22 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 13, 2016, 08:39:43 AM

I know everyone here says Trump support is with the working class but it's good to have the data:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/13/upshot/the-geography-of-trumpism.html

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Mr. Trump has his share of support from the affluent and the well educated, but in the places where support for Mr. Trump runs the strongest, the proportion of the white population that didn’t finish high school is relatively high. So is the proportion of working-age adults who neither have a job nor are looking for one. The third-strongest correlation among hundreds of variables tested: the preponderance of mobile homes.

Trump vs Hillary

Trump wins Ohio and Pennsylvania. I guarantee it.

Im buying as soon as those markets go online on predictit

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 14, 2016, 12:40:57 PM

It seems unfathomable that someone can win Ohio and Pennsylvania and still lose the election.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 14, 2016, 12:48:59 PM

who would've thought that breitbart's final nail in the coffin would be letting Ben Shapiro go lol
this is a weird timeline we are in
it's actually pretty nuts how obsessed they've become with championing Trump
comes with the territory i suppose

in other news, this morning when i opened cnn.com (i like to start my day off with a smile) the headline and 8 out of the 10 stories on the side mentioned Trump....now that is fucked

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and none mentioned Rubio

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 12:50:59 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 14, 2016, 12:40:57 PM

It seems unfathomable that someone can win Ohio and Pennsylvania and still lose the election.

This is going to be a different election.

Blue dogs voting dems is over. Obama and Hills have strongly supported closing down coal and also strongly support free trade agreements that kill the rust belt. Say what you want about free trade, the fact is, the American manufacturer loses, and free trade policies have not included ANY mitigation for these job losses. Look at Detroit, Youngstown, Pittsburgh etc.

Unions have only voted Dem because Republicans have been fighting to kill unions. Not that Dems have done anything to strengthen or protect unions, they simply have been less-worse. And quite frankly, every time an R wants to pass an anti-union measure, they win. D puts up a half-assed fight but loses. What was the last pro-labor thing the Dems did?

Trump isnt a standard R. He wants tariffs that WILL bring back manufacturing jobs. As far as I know, hes said nothing anti-union, and I believe all his hotel workers are unionized. He also has been very pro-cop (aka, pro union cop).

I think Hillary will still win, but we're going to be looking at a very different map from 2012 or 2008.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 12:53:40 PM

If Trump takes the manufacturing core of our country, he wins, 270 to 268

http://www.270towin.com/maps/qKZp6

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Trump is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 12:56:44 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Trump is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

Im sure thats what Rubio and Bush thought 4 months ago

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Trump is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

And Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and most likely Florida.

Face it boys, unless he fucks up he's going to win. Stellar class you guys put out this year libs...

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:01:12 PM

General election electorate is waaaaaaaay different than the GOP primary electorate. Also, someone could have easily beaten Trump if all the non-Trump fuckwits had gotten out before Iowa. Trump's ceiling is probably around 45% of the GOP primary electorate.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2016, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Drumpf is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

And Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and most likely Florida.

Face it boys, unless he fucks up he's going to win. Stellar class you guys put out this year libs...

 :heh :heh :heh

Bro, for real?!

Trump will not win Ohio.  Cleveland and Columbus and surrounding areas will see to that.

Florida might be different cuz of the olds tho

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 01:16:04 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:01:12 PM

General election electorate is waaaaaaaay different than the GOP primary electorate. Also, someone could have easily beaten Trump if all the non-Trump fuckwits had gotten out before Iowa. Trump's ceiling is probably around 45% of the GOP primary electorate.

My favorite part of this election is how his ceiling has gone up from 20% to apparently, now 45%.

Every single person who voted for Romney will vote for Trump. But Trump will also get all the blue collar white voters who stayed home thanks to the 47% comments + anti-union message.

Remember how in the general election, Mass and Maryland voted R for governor? You know how Wisconsin and Ohio keep voting for their same idiot R governors over and over again? Remember how Florida voted for the guy who robbed from their medicare accounts?

You dont think those same voters will vote Trump?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:19:21 PM

Remember how all that shit was in 2014 when Democrats largely sat on their asses and didn't vote? Can't compare off year and presidential year elections, breh

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 01:24:53 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:19:21 PM

Remember how all that shit was in 2014 when Democrats largely sat on their asses and didn't vote? Can't compare off year and presidential year elections, breh

Yeah because the governor of the freaking state is a position no one but policy wonks cares about!

But please, rationalize how the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and most of the states at all levels but theyre the party in disarray that no one would ever vote for, especially with a populist candidate against Hillary "I lost last time" Clinton.

Ask Martha Coakley how that works out.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 01:27:11 PM

Trump saying he'd bring back jobs is probably the yuuuuugest lie of any of the campaigns. Even Cruz has said that he promises <500,000 job growth per year which is being beat every 2 months right now. Neither with any specifics of course because they don't have any. The middle class isn't who they serve.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:40:57 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 01:24:53 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:19:21 PM

Remember how all that shit was in 2014 when Democrats largely sat on their asses and didn't vote? Can't compare off year and presidential year elections, breh

Yeah because the governor of the freaking state is a position no one but policy wonks cares about!

But please, rationalize how the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and most of the states at all levels but theyre the party in disarray that no one would ever vote for, especially with a populist candidate against Hillary "I lost last time" Clinton.

Ask Martha Coakley how that works out.

Coakley was a shitty candidate that lost two elections in a solid Dem state.

Pretty much all of your examples can be answered by "core parts of the Dem coalition (namely young people and minorities) don't turn out in off year elections, while old white people do." The dems lost heavily in 2010 and 2014; strangely they seemed to do alright in 2012 when, you know, there was a presidential election. They did especially awful in 2014 because they had a shit ton of Senate seats to defend from the 2008 election.

But sure. Let's ignore all that because America is ready to elect a racist fascist. K.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:47:10 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2016, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Drumpf is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

And Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and most likely Florida.

Face it boys, unless he fucks up he's going to win. Stellar class you guys put out this year libs...

 :heh :heh :heh

Bro, for real?!

Trump will not win Ohio.  Cleveland and Columbus and surrounding areas will see to that.

Florida might be different cuz of the olds tho

I assure you he wins Ohio, and not by a small margin. Again not my choice but you can't hold your hands over your ears and close your eyes forever. Dems are done in 2016, Cruz is too weird to be a president, and Rubio and Kasich are also rans......and trust me,  I'm not even happy about it.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:50:37 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 01:24:53 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:19:21 PM

Remember how all that shit was in 2014 when Democrats largely sat on their asses and didn't vote? Can't compare off year and presidential year elections, breh

Yeah because the governor of the freaking state is a position no one but policy wonks cares about!

But please, rationalize how the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and most of the states at all levels but theyre the party in disarray that no one would ever vote for, especially with a populist candidate against Hillary "I lost last time" Clinton.

Ask Martha Coakley how that works out.

He can't and he won't. This is the most pathetic of liberal viewpoints. If they don't believe it, it didn't happen.

Facts are GOP controls both sides of the house, and are winning a lot of jump balls where they normally don't, and are clearly gaining the mindshare of the union and factory workers.

However this is all cyclical and will come back around starting in 2020, just as it always does.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:50:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:47:10 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2016, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Drumpf is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

And Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and most likely Florida.

Face it boys, unless he fucks up he's going to win. Stellar class you guys put out this year libs...

 :heh :heh :heh

Bro, for real?!

Trump will not win Ohio.  Cleveland and Columbus and surrounding areas will see to that.

Florida might be different cuz of the olds tho

I assure you he wins Ohio, and not by a small margin. Again not my choice but you can't hold your hands over your ears and close your eyes forever. Dems are done in 2016, and I'm not even happy about it.

Bookmarking

:aah

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Let's be real- I'm bookmarking because if the Dems win, of course I want to rub it in. And if they don't, we're going zero to Thunderdome in record time, so I won't get a chance to give you kudos.

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:52:42 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:50:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:47:10 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2016, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Drumpf is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

And Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and most likely Florida.

Face it boys, unless he fucks up he's going to win. Stellar class you guys put out this year libs...

 :heh :heh :heh

Bro, for real?!

Trump will not win Ohio.  Cleveland and Columbus and surrounding areas will see to that.

Florida might be different cuz of the olds tho

I assure you he wins Ohio, and not by a small margin. Again not my choice but you can't hold your hands over your ears and close your eyes forever. Dems are done in 2016, and I'm not even happy about it.

Bookmarking

:aah

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Let's be real- I'm bookmarking because if the Dems win, of course I want to rub it in. And if they don't, we're going zero to Thunderdome in record time, so I won't get a chance to give you kudos.

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Go ahead, you're gonna take this baked L bro. I have never seen Cleveland so enthralled with a conservative in my lifetime. Union is going trump FYI, book it. Clinton Sr pretty much fucked them with NAFTA and then Obama ruined their medical plans. These are facts.

Oh and that trans pacific partnership Hillary is touting is really a bad look, breh.


In addition polling dead even with this moron in your own fucking state is a bad look man. Bad look.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:09:40 PM

In other news, Obummer's drone strikes claim another proud conservative. #riptodd

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/palin-cancels-trump-event-after-husband-serious-snow-machine-crash-n537976

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:13:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 14, 2016, 02:09:45 PM

The GOP is going to lose the Senate in November anyway when the seats that flipped in 2010 swing back around.

Nah not yet. Obama is still in office and our american public is displaying it's typical hardon for 2 term presidents at the end of their time.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 02:14:47 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:40:57 PM

Coakley was a shitty candidate that lost two elections in a solid Dem state.

My point exactly. Hillary is losing primary after primary in solid Dem states like Michigan and Vermont.

And she already lost 8 years ago.

Quote

Pretty much all of your examples can be answered by "core parts of the Dem coalition (namely young people and minorities) don't turn out in off year elections, while old white people do." The dems lost heavily in 2010 and 2014; strangely they seemed to do alright in 2012 when, you know, there was a presidential election. They did especially awful in 2014 because they had a shit ton of Senate seats to defend from the 2008 election.

But sure. Let's ignore all that because America is ready to elect a racist fascist. K.

Dems won in 2008 and 2012. Yup. You argue its because it was a presidential year.

Uh, how did that work out in 2000 and 2004?

Maybe youth turned out because Obama was on the ticket?

You know, someone who wont be on the ticket this year?

Last I checked, 90% of the youth vote is going AGAINST Hillary.

You think theyre going to turn out this November to vote for her, rather than stay home and drink Mountain Dew like they did in 2014, 2010, 2006, 2004, 2002, 2000 and 1998?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 02:16:40 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:52:42 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:50:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:47:10 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2016, 01:08:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 01:00:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

Drumpf is going to win the deep south, and some western states that are basically deep south, and nothing else

And Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and most likely Florida.

Face it boys, unless he fucks up he's going to win. Stellar class you guys put out this year libs...

 :heh :heh :heh

Bro, for real?!

Trump will not win Ohio.  Cleveland and Columbus and surrounding areas will see to that.

Florida might be different cuz of the olds tho

I assure you he wins Ohio, and not by a small margin. Again not my choice but you can't hold your hands over your ears and close your eyes forever. Dems are done in 2016, and I'm not even happy about it.

Bookmarking

:aah

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Let's be real- I'm bookmarking because if the Dems win, of course I want to rub it in. And if they don't, we're going zero to Thunderdome in record time, so I won't get a chance to give you kudos.

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Go ahead, you're gonna take this baked L bro. I have never seen Cleveland so enthralled with a conservative in my lifetime. Union is going trump FYI, book it. Clinton Sr pretty much fucked them with NAFTA and then Obama ruined their medical plans. These are facts.

Oh and that trans pacific partnership Hillary is touting is really a bad look, breh.


In addition polling dead even with this moron in your own fucking state is a bad look man. Bad look.

It's only hung up in congress because of the worker's protections added by the Obama admin. Sure, have Trump let the cons strip that and every other corporate regulation out before they pass it. Then you will know what bad looks like.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:19:12 PM

:dead

You mad and you clearly don't understand how worthless "work protection" is, that was in NAFTA too, bubby.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:20:58 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:13:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 14, 2016, 02:09:45 PM

The GOP is going to lose the Senate in November anyway when the seats that flipped in 2010 swing back around.

Nah not yet. Obama is still in office and our american public is displaying it's typical hardon for 2 term presidents at the end of their time.

Oh you mean Obama, whose approval rating is at its highest point in years? That guy? Yeah, the American public is in full on hate with him when they look at the shitshow GOP candidates. K.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-approval-rating-election-donald-trump-2016-3

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:21:39 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 14, 2016, 02:20:36 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:13:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 14, 2016, 02:09:45 PM

The GOP is going to lose the Senate in November anyway when the seats that flipped in 2010 swing back around.

Nah not yet. Obama is still in office and our american public is displaying it's typical hardon for 2 term presidents at the end of their time.

They can only lose 4 seats if they lose the WH, or 5 seats if they win it.

Illinois and Wisconsin are 100% gone. Dems just need to pick up some combination of Pennsylvania, Ohio, New Hampshire and Florida. They'll probably get all four.

Obama's been at or above 50% approval in a couple of recent polls, btw.

Approval polls are worthless. The results of America's constant need to stir shit up are sitting in congress right now fucking up their jobs. This election will be no different.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 02:25:05 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:20:58 PM

Oh you mean Obama, whose approval rating is at its highest point in years? That guy? Yeah, the American public is in full on hate with him when they look at the shitshow GOP candidates. K.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-approval-rating-election-donald-trump-2016-3

50%?

WOW.

"After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval. He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65% higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman."


Anyone care to remind me how that worked out for his VP. which ran for president in 2000, a year Ive been told has huge Democrat turnout?

On the backs of a soaring economy?

And a balanced budget?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:27:20 PM

Oh, you mean his VP who spent his entire campaign trying to distance himself from Clinton because of said blowjob "scandal?" Who ran a shitty campaign and lost his home state? Who nominated a worthless shitburger that brought nothing to the ticket as HIS VP candidate?

*yawn*

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:27:50 PM

Nancy Reagan was the true GOAT  :brazilcry

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: UseYurBrain on March 14, 2016, 02:28:32 PM

There's still a LOT of time from now until November

Some more debates

Things can change

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:29:40 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:27:20 PM

Oh, you mean his VP who spent his entire campaign trying to distance himself from Clinton because of said blowjob "scandal?" Who ran a shitty campaign and lost his home state? Who nominated a worthless shitburger that brought nothing to the ticket as HIS VP candidate?

*yawn*

I love how tight you're trying to hold ground when Florida is 2-1 Donald and Ohio is currently 50/50 before Trump dropped that nasty NAFTA bomb on Kasich in front of all the union leadership in NorthernOhio who was in attendance in Cleveland.

It's cute. I can't wait for your breakdown when Clinton takes a huge L to a fucktard.

Edit: A fucktard who beatdown the Bush dynasty as well as will do to the Clintons. America....the fuck is wrong with you?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 02:30:58 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:27:20 PM

Oh, you mean his VP who spent his entire campaign trying to distance himself from Clinton because of said blowjob "scandal?" Who ran a shitty campaign and lost his home state? Who nominated a worthless shitburger that brought nothing to the ticket as HIS VP candidate?

*yawn*

Hillary, make major campaign killing gaffes?

That would be so unlike her!

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:31:51 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 02:30:58 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:27:20 PM

Oh, you mean his VP who spent his entire campaign trying to distance himself from Clinton because of said blowjob "scandal?" Who ran a shitty campaign and lost his home state? Who nominated a worthless shitburger that brought nothing to the ticket as HIS VP candidate?

*yawn*

Hillary, make major campaign killing gaffes?

That would be so unlike her!

She needs to spend time talking about a guy who lived with him mom until he was in his 40's, she ain't got no time for Trump yet.

:umad

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 02:33:45 PM

Quote from: UseYurBrain on March 14, 2016, 02:28:32 PM

Some more debates

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Barring some major fuck up out of anyone's control (a muslim shoots up a daycare, another major economic crisis) Trump's unfavorables are just too fucking high for me to think he can win this November.

Obviously y'all are either gleefully anticipating/dreading otherwise, which puts me in the rare position of the "optimist" in this argument, but still. Whatever. Pretty much everything is pointing to him losing this November, but ok. I'll just ignore all that shit and listen to y'alls expert takes on politics.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Syph on March 14, 2016, 02:37:25 PM

lol this page
chill brehs
rubio is gonna sweep the rest of the states and win the general with 100% of the popular vote with even Bill "Jeffrey Epstein" Clinton voting for him

so just relax

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for real though let's see what happens tomorrow and how badly Kasich wins Ohio and how much of a dent Cruz can put in Trump's armour

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Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:38:25 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Barring some major fuck up out of anyone's control (a muslim shoots up a daycare, another major economic crisis) Trump's unfavorables are just too fucking high for me to think he can win this November.

Obviously y'all are either gleefully anticipating/dreading otherwise, which puts me in the rare position of the "optimist" in this argument, but still. Whatever. Pretty much everything is pointing to him losing this November, but ok. I'll just ignore all that shit and listen to y'alls expert takes on politics.

Trust me when I say I wish I was fucking wrong. Nobody has captured "america" like this in my lifetime but Obama and now Donald. Granted two different groups of people but the fact remains.......fucking frightening shit.

Hillary comes to cleveland and gets 1000 tops, trump pulls 40,000+ Ohioans in 3 visits.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 02:39:50 PM

I don't think it's that hard to see repubs winning this year. It's been almost 70 years since dems won a 3rd term for prez. The dems that did it back then were before the civil rights act 'dems'.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:41:39 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 02:39:50 PM

I don't think it's that hard to see repubs winning this year. It's been almost 70 years since dems won a 3rd term for prez. The dems that did it back then were before the civil rights act 'dems'.

True but Clinton and Kennedy could have ran for 4 consecutive terms and won to be fair.

Edit: Probably Obama too.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:47:51 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2016/03/mapping_where_donald_trumps_ba.html#incart_m-rpt-1

 :confused

Quote

Most closely linked to Trump support, in order, were counties where:

a higher percentages of white adults did not graduate from high school.
more people wrote down American as an ancestry in completing census forms, rather than listing Irish, German, Italian or other ancestries.
a higher percent of people live in mobile homes.

So basically 3/4's of Ohio brehs.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 02:50:06 PM

Holmes county :kobeyuck

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:51:56 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 02:50:06 PM

Holmes county :kobeyuck

Summit County   :kobeyuck     Meth
Medina County     :kobeyuck     Meth
Lorain County       :kobeyuck    Heroin


Fucking frightening, ain't it?


I live in one of the rare nice parts of Lorain county and I pass, oh, 4 or 5 trailerparks on the way to 480 everyday, lol.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: octopushover on March 14, 2016, 02:56:49 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 02:25:05 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:20:58 PM

Oh you mean Obama, whose approval rating is at its highest point in years? That guy? Yeah, the American public is in full on hate with him when they look at the shitshow GOP candidates. K.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-approval-rating-election-donald-trump-2016-3

50%?

WOW.

"After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval. He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65% higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman."


Anyone care to remind me how that worked out for his VP. which ran for president in 2000, a year Ive been told has huge Democrat turnout?

On the backs of a soaring economy?

And a balanced budget?

Anyone?

Anyone?

 :umad
 :umad
 :umad
 :umad
 :umad :umad :umad

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:56:51 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 14, 2016, 02:55:57 PM

Amish country seemed pretty nice when I was out in Ohio.

Dude Amish are more dirty than you think. Cocaine is their game bro, trust me they live in my county.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:57:24 PM

Quote from: octopushover on March 14, 2016, 02:56:49 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 02:25:05 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:20:58 PM

Oh you mean Obama, whose approval rating is at its highest point in years? That guy? Yeah, the American public is in full on hate with him when they look at the shitshow GOP candidates. K.

http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-approval-rating-election-donald-trump-2016-3

50%?

WOW.

"After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval. He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65% higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman."


Anyone care to remind me how that worked out for his VP. which ran for president in 2000, a year Ive been told has huge Democrat turnout?

On the backs of a soaring economy?

And a balanced budget?

Anyone?

Anyone?

 :umad
 :umad
 :umad
 :umad
 :umad :umad :umad

Your reply makes no sense. Take a time out and think of a proper rebuttal and try again. Thx  :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 14, 2016, 03:07:17 PM

No one bringing up the SC recount decision as a factor in Gore losing is surprising

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 03:42:11 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 01:16:04 PM

Every single person who voted for Romney will vote for Trump. But Trump will also get all the blue collar white voters who stayed home thanks to the 47% comments + anti-union message.

Other than wishful thinking, any reason to believe that?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 03:49:11 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 02:38:25 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 02:33:59 PM

Barring some major fuck up out of anyone's control (a muslim shoots up a daycare, another major economic crisis) Trump's unfavorables are just too fucking high for me to think he can win this November.

Obviously y'all are either gleefully anticipating/dreading otherwise, which puts me in the rare position of the "optimist" in this argument, but still. Whatever. Pretty much everything is pointing to him losing this November, but ok. I'll just ignore all that shit and listen to y'alls expert takes on politics.

Trust me when I say I wish I was fucking wrong. Nobody has captured "america" like this in my lifetime but Obama and now Donald. Granted two different groups of people but the fact remains.......fucking frightening shit.

Hillary comes to cleveland and gets 1000 tops, trump pulls 40,000+ Ohioans in 3 visits.

As Bernie and Ron Paul have clearly proven, the size of your crowds directly correlates to your success at the polls in November

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 03:51:34 PM

Yeah, for all this talk about Trump taking the country by storm, he's winning fewer states than Hillary.

He's just clearing a much lower bar of expectations, and creating good TV imagery.  I don't think his RCP polling average has even broken 40% yet, and we're apparently in the middle of Trumpmania.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2016, 03:57:15 PM

Have to go vote in Florida tomorrow. Also got a jury summons for the first time in my life where I'm actually gonna have to do it.

:goty2

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 14, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

Alright let's just set up a bracket already, this dick waving "no, I'm the one who totally knows what's going on" is tiring.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 04:10:24 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 03:51:34 PM

Yeah, for all this talk about Trump taking the country by storm, he's winning fewer states than Hillary.

He's just clearing a much lower bar of expectations, and creating good TV imagery.  I don't think his RCP polling average has even broken 40% yet, and we're apparently in the middle of Trumpmania.

Hillary is 1 vs 1 with an old atheist socialist jew with an accent straight from SNL and mannerisms that are more at home in a Boca Raton retirement center than the Oval Office.

Trump was up against 12 of the most diverse and qualified candidates in GOP history*, including several successful governors, legislators, a former CEO and a famous surgeon

*Not my words.

So pulling 40% against that lineup is, quite frankly, impressive

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:15:37 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 14, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

Alright let's just set up a bracket already, this dick waving "no, I'm the one who totally knows what's going on" is tiring.

It's a political thread. Of course we are going to speculate on who is going to win, jackass. What the fuck is this shit?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: james on March 14, 2016, 04:16:53 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:15:37 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 14, 2016, 04:06:24 PM

Alright let's just set up a bracket already, this dick waving "no, I'm the one who totally knows what's going on" is tiring.

It's a political thread. Of course we are going to speculate on who is going to win, jackass. What the fuck is this shit?

 :miyamoto

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 14, 2016, 04:18:05 PM

You're just all so full of shit tho  :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 04:18:34 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 04:10:24 PM

So pulling 40% against that lineup is, quite frankly, impressive

No, they're a clown show and you know it.  I'm too tired to play pretend about that.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:22:52 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 14, 2016, 04:18:05 PM

You're just all so full of shit tho  :doge

Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because people have a different belief from you doesn't necessarily mean they are full of shit? Or are you under 25? It's one of the two.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:23:17 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 04:18:34 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 04:10:24 PM

So pulling 40% against that lineup is, quite frankly, impressive

No, they're a clown show and you know it.  I'm too tired to play pretend about that.

So was Barry Sanders :yeshrug

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 04:25:03 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:23:17 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 04:18:34 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 04:10:24 PM

So pulling 40% against that lineup is, quite frankly, impressive

No, they're a clown show and you know it.  I'm too tired to play pretend about that.

So was Barry Sanders :yeshrug

Naw dude, he's a hall of fame running back.

And Hillary is beating Bernie 60-40 or so in pledged delegates, even.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:26:00 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 04:25:03 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:23:17 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 04:18:34 PM

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 04:10:24 PM

So pulling 40% against that lineup is, quite frankly, impressive

No, they're a clown show and you know it.  I'm too tired to play pretend about that.

So was Barry Sanders :yeshrug

Naw dude, he's a hall of fame running back.

And Hillary is beating Bernie 60-40 or so in pledged delegates, even.

Lol total slip up. My bad.

I don't think Sanders can win Ohio, don't see it happening for him.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 04:27:45 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:22:52 PM

Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because people have a different belief from you doesn't necessarily mean they are full of shit? Or are you under 25? It's one of the two.

Great, now we got AIA arguing for treating opposing viewpoints with thoughtfulness and respect.

This has gotten too weird for me, I'm out.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 04:29:16 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cancelled-no-such-thing-sarah-palin-goes-nuts-on-punk-ass-thuggery-at-tampa-trump-event/

Someone doesn't know what the 1st amendment is.  :dizzy

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:31:23 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 04:27:45 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:22:52 PM

Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because people have a different belief from you doesn't necessarily mean they are full of shit? Or are you under 25? It's one of the two.

Great, now we got AIA arguing for treating opposing viewpoints with thoughtfulness and respect.

This has gotten too weird for me, I'm out.

Nah, I don't troll politics. And I'm certainly not the end all be all for political leanings. I might disagree with things said here but I don't discount them.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: UseYurBrain on March 14, 2016, 04:33:33 PM

Can y'all wait until tomorrow night before declaring Trump the nominee just yet ? :oreilly

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 04:35:25 PM

Quote from: UseYurBrain on March 14, 2016, 04:33:33 PM

Can y'all wait until tomorrow night before declaring Trump the nominee just yet ? :oreilly

Some of us just want to watch the world burn

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:41:41 PM

Quote from: UseYurBrain on March 14, 2016, 04:33:33 PM

Can y'all wait until tomorrow night before declaring Trump the nominee just yet ? :oreilly

I hate that fuckboi and his bigotry.

I'd personally would have liked to have seen Rubio up until he started losing his shit the last two weeks.

Now even though I hate Trump I hope he starts effecting change in the old boy network for the better. Not in terms of his viewpoints but in terms of how they handle this in the future because they clearly butchered this.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 04:46:48 PM

Also his complete and utter destruction of Jeb Bush in 1 and 1/2 debates was fucking exciting though.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Oblivion on March 14, 2016, 04:56:24 PM

Quote

On NBC’s Meet the Press, host Chuck Todd noted that after the Dayton rally, Trump tweeted a video that purportedly showed DiMassimo posing with a gun against the backdrop of an ISIS flag, with Arabic-language music playing in the background.

Trump’s tweet said, "USSS (U.S. Secret Service) did an excellent job stopping the maniac running to the stage. He has ties to ISIS. Should be in jail." The link to the video was appended to the tweet.

On Meet the Press, Todd said, "That turned out to be a hoax. Did you go over the top there on that?"

Trump responded, "No, no, no, no. He was, if you look on the Internet, if you look at clips…"

Todd repeated, "It turned out to be a hoax. Somebody made that up, sir."

Trump then said, "Well, I don't know what they made up. All I can do is play what's there. He was walking, dragging the American flag on the ground. Is that a correct statement? Was that a hoax, too? Was he dragging the flag on the ground?"

After further back and forth, Trump said, "No, excuse me, you didn't see the clip. He was playing Arabic music, he was dragging the flag along the ground, and he had Internet chatter with ISIS and about ISIS. So I don't know if he was or not. But all we did was put out what he had on his Internet. … (He) had chatter about ISIS, or with ISIS."

When Todd repeated that the video appeared to be a hoax, Trump responded, "Okay, look, well, was it a hoax that he's dragging the flag? Was that him? It looked like the same man to me. He was dragging a flag along the ground and he was playing a certain type of music. And supposedly, there was chatter about ISIS.

Quote

"Now, I don't know. What do I know about it? All I know is what's on the Internet."

Joe, please change the thread title to this.  :doge

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2016, 05:06:38 PM

We should trust AiA on his opinions here because he actually PLAYED in the NFL, guys.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 14, 2016, 05:11:07 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2016, 05:06:38 PM

We should trust AiA on his opinions here because he actually PLAYED in the NFL, guys.

What's that have to do with anything?

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Boogie on March 14, 2016, 05:31:29 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2016, 05:06:38 PM

We should trust AiA on his opinions here because he actually PLAYED in the NFL, guys.

Not like this, BrandNew.  C'mon.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 05:35:06 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 14, 2016, 05:06:38 PM

We should trust AiA on his opinions here because he actually PLAYED in the NFL, guys.

Here's why

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2016, 05:40:22 PM

Trump will only win if he can deliver on his promise to make anime real.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Trent Dole on March 14, 2016, 07:12:23 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2016, 05:40:22 PM

Drumpf will only win if he can deliver on his promise to make anime real.

If Ron Paul couldn't do it what makes Trump think he can? I need details here, people.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: archie4208 on March 14, 2016, 07:35:10 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2016, 05:40:22 PM

Trump will only win if he can deliver on his promise to make anime real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2i_R7zUPVw

Trump flip flops again.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2016, 07:47:22 PM

That was me making a joke about how AiA is so positive and sure about EVERYTHING based purely on anecdotes, guys.

It wasn't funny tho u right u right

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 14, 2016, 07:59:47 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-political-stupidity-of-the-jews-revisited-1457906933

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The story has it that during the George H.W. Bush administration, James Baker proposes to his boss an idea that would go against Israeli interests. “The Jews aren’t going to like it,” President Bush says. Mr. Baker replies: “They don’t vote for us anyway—screw ’em!” Fast forward 15 years, when Rahm Emanuel proposes a different idea to his boss that would also go against Israeli interests. “The Jews aren’t going to like it,” President Obama says. Mr. Emanuel replies: “They vote for us anyway—screw ’em!”

Such, one might say, are the advantages of bloc voting for ethnic groups. Just as Democratic politicians assume the support of black voters, the Jews have been in the pocket of the Democratic Party at least as far back as Franklin Delano Roosevelt, and though there are few Jews alive today who were old enough to have voted for FDR, they, the Jews, are still in that pocket. This despite the fact that we now know that FDR was not such a grand friend to the Jews, for he did nothing to stop or even slow the Nazi genocide of Jews during World War II, and instead, when told by Rabbi Stephen Wise of the death camps, counseled silence on the subject.

The best face that can be put on this unwillingness, bordering on a genetic-inability, of Jews to vote Republican is that Jewishness, if not Judaism, has at its center a hatred of injustice and a concomitant yearning for equality. All this, presumably, has been ingrained in Jews by their own long history as the scapegoats of tyrants. Being underdogs, the Jews ipso facto are themselves for underdogs. Republicans, traditionally, have been top dogs. Don’t, something in most Jews tells them, go there.

Older Jews, of whom I am one, have memories of so-called “restricted” neighborhoods and clubs—restricted meaning No Jews Allowed. They remember quotas against Jews put in place by private universities. I recall the writer Clifton Fadiman telling me that when he applied to graduate school at Columbia, he was told it wasn’t a good idea, for the English Department there already had accepted his undergraduate classmate, Mr. Trilling, the implication being that one Jew was enough. Large corporations in those days did not hire Jews, or if they did it was made clear that their chances for promotion were greatly limited.

All these arrangements against Jews—real-estate covenants, university quotas, job restrictions and more—were thought to be the handiwork of a WASP establishment that was, with only rare exceptions (FDR, Dean Acheson, Adlai Stevenson), at its heart, if not officially, Republican. To vote for a Republican now, more than half a century later, even though these arrangements are no longer in place, would for most Jews constitute a betrayal. They can’t do it; they simply can’t do it.

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Irving Kristol also thought it foolishness for heavily Jewish-funded organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union to litigate against Christian prayer and symbols in national life, since the United States is a country that is Christian at its foundation and is overwhelmingly Christian in its population. Backing the ACLU and other groups in such matters, in the name of a utopian belief in a humanistic, therapeutic, universalist culture in which everyone will agree that none of us has any differences worth maintaining, seemed to Kristol what he called chutzpah—sheer effrontery and stupid in the extreme.

Sure, I'll look at the comments for you:

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kenneth schnoll 23 hours ago
As I've repeatedly said to my fellow Democratic Jews, which party protested to block Netanyahu's speech to Congress...hint, it wasn't the Republicans.

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Jonathan Murray 23 hours ago
This is the season for upheaval in traditional voting patterns, and Jews going Republican would be another good change. Obama has been actively hostile to Israel and its leader and supportive of the Muslims who would wipe Jewry off the face of the earth. Time to be honest about t.

terrorist. fist. jabs.

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Thom McCan 20 hours ago
@Jerome Abernathy @Jonathan Murray


Are you kidding?

Every nation in the world refers to ISIS.

Not our president.

Obama and his government call them ISIL.

Why?
The covert message Obama delivers when he says ISIL instead of ISIS.

And why does he say the Holy Koran but never the Holy Bible?
When referring to the Muslim terror super-group ISIS, President Barack Obama will use the term ISIL instead of their former name ISIS or current name Islamic State....
ISIS means Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.

ISIL means Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant.

The geographical term "Levant" refers to a multi-nation region in the Middle East.

It’s a land bridge between Turkey to the north and Egypt to the south.

If you look on a map, however, in the near exact middle of the nations that comprise the Levant is Israel.

HE IS SENDING A MESSAGE TO MUSLIMS ALL OVER THE MIDDLE EAST THAT HE PERSONALLY DOES NOT RECOGNIZE ISRAEL AS A SOVEREIGN NATION, BUT AS TERRITORY BELONGING TO THE ISLAMIC STATE.

Now you know why Obama says that he has no plan for dealing with ISIS.

Obama’s plan is to drag his feet for as long as he can, doing only the bare minimum that Congress forces him to do.

His “plan”to buy ISIS as much time as possible to make as many gains as they can.

The Islamic State has garnered millions of dollars, a vast cache of weapons, and have captured Syrian fighter jets.

With each passing day the Islamic calipate grows.

The end goal is the destruction of the Jewish State of Israel so Muslims can rule the Middle East.

Obama is not "hostile to Israel…?"
Genesis 12:3. states: “And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.”

Impeach Obama before he destroys our nation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 14, 2016, 08:30:44 PM

I love how people are calling for Obamas impeachment even now

Like bro, the damage is done

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2016, 08:37:56 PM

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A group of Donald Trump supporters over the weekend called for volunteers to join a would-be militia aiming to protect voters against so-called “violent far-left agitators.”

In recent days, violence at Trump’s rallies has escalated to match the candidate’s rhetoric. Last week, a man in North Carolina was charged with assault after he sucker-punched a black man. And on Saturday, police in Kansas City pepper-sprayed protesters outside of a Trump event.

Hours after a protester rushed the stage at Trump’s Dayton rally, a Twitter group called “The Lion’s Guard” called on supporters of the GOP front-runner to join a make-shift militia, according to RT.

“Do you want to provide security protection to innocent people who are subject to harassment and assault by Far-left agitators?” Lion’s Guard asked in a call to action. “If so, you are welcome to join. That’s the mission — to protect innocents who can’t hire their own security guards.”

Lion’s Guard said that their members would be unarmed, “but willing to forcefully protect people if need be.”

“We are *defensive*, *protective* of innocents who are being beaten and harassed for their political views.”

Within hours, the account reportedly had over 500 followers, and members were already asking for “uniform suggestions.”

RT noted that Lion’s Guard later suspended its account after claiming that someone had threatened the founder’s child. But the group also said that a website was being created to “make it easier to coordinate action.”

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/trump-militia-forms-to-forcefully-protect-rally-goers-against-far-left-agitators/

(http://i.imgur.com/YGi67ba.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 08:53:55 PM

It's odd how their "defense" always gets to throw the first punch.  :confused

This isn't the NFL.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2016, 09:52:44 PM

The Lion's Guard  :doge

*picturing the NeoGAF dude that never goes anywhere without two swords*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Syph on March 14, 2016, 10:16:32 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 14, 2016, 08:53:55 PM

It's odd how their "defense" always gets to throw the first punch.  :confused

This isn't the NFL.

Ndamukong Suh to be named Trump's secretary of defense

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 11:46:04 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdjxUcsUUAAZlBf.jpg:large)

Apparently from a paywalled article at National Review by Kevin Williamson.  Well then.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2016, 11:59:24 PM

:leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2016, 12:05:22 AM

Okay.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Yeti on March 15, 2016, 12:31:45 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2016, 03:57:15 PM

Have to go vote in Florida tomorrow. Also got a jury summons for the first time in my life where I'm actually gonna have to do it.

:goty2

Is your report date 3/22 at Osceola County Courthouse? We could have the most awkward Bore meet-up ever if it is.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 12:47:09 AM

Shit, Mandark discovered my NR pen name.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 15, 2016, 01:18:21 AM

If Trump loses Ohio tomorrow (looks like it's going to happen) then he apparently will have a very tough time getting over 50% of the delegates. So he'll just scrape by to the convention and basically it'll just be a clusterfuck where half the party will settle for him and the other half will be calling him a usurper.

In 12 months, the GOP will say it was a good thing that Hillary won by double digits because it teaches them that they really shouldn't go for a Trump like candidate. They'll consider it a teachable moment.

Title: Re: Super Tuesday Thread of Donald Drumpf's Coronation |OT| Nugent tapped for VP
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 02:41:54 AM

Quote from: Yeti on March 15, 2016, 12:31:45 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 14, 2016, 03:57:15 PM

Have to go vote in Florida tomorrow. Also got a jury summons for the first time in my life where I'm actually gonna have to do it.

:goty2

Is your report date 3/22 at Osceola County Courthouse? We could have the most awkward Bore meet-up ever if it is.  :doge

Few counties over. Hillsborough

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 15, 2016, 02:42:23 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 11:46:04 PM

Apparently from a paywalled article at National Review by Kevin Williamson.  Well then.

"Those Obamacare death panels ? Maybe we should have had them for the poor."

Orange Trump can take credit of having showed the true colors of a lot of people.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 15, 2016, 02:58:31 AM

jknm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 15, 2016, 03:19:26 AM

nah fuck it, i was trying to agitate ppl til i could post this https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/705439424495149056

james :lol:

aia :lol:

this topic :lol:

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 05:39:37 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 14, 2016, 11:46:04 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdjxUcsUUAAZlBf.jpg:large)

Apparently from a paywalled article at National Review by Kevin Williamson.  Well then.

I didn't know Obama had a pen name.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brob on March 15, 2016, 05:59:17 AM

class based eugenics as anti-racist praxis  :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 10:08:15 AM

Come on people. Went to vote this morning and it was 80% donald trump people. And I know this because they like to scream it at people.  Step it up Ohio. We don't need this shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 15, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

If they stop Trump they are still left with Cruz. Like that is a big win or something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 11:04:58 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 15, 2016, 10:25:06 AM

If they stop Trump they are still left with Cruz. Like that is a big win or something.

Hitler was more dangerous than Mussolini, ya know?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:17:58 AM

They are both god awful all-time great worst candidates. I know a lot of people who are more scared of a cruz presidency.

At least we all know Trump is a phony and would be just a random wildcard as president. We know exactly what Cruz is and what he will do and to some people that is understandably scarier.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 11:22:15 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:17:58 AM

They are both god awful all-time great worst candidates. I know a lot of people who are more scared of a cruz presidency.

At least we all know Trump is a phony and would be just a random wildcard as president. We know exactly what Cruz is and what he will do and to some people that is understandably scarier.

(http://img.wonkette.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/trumppic.jpg)

This is Trump's face the minute he realizes he needs a thing called "congress" to raise 35% tariffs on Hondas.

(http://truthfed.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/obama-laughing-at-the-joke-680x365.jpg)

And here is Obama's the day he turns over the keys 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:24:58 AM

I don't think it matters at all. This is complete ego stroke. All he wants to do is get the job and then yell at everybody about how much of an idiot they are. Actually doing a decent job he would either be completely incapable of or all the work would be delegated to actual policy heads and while he's basically a yelling machine that holds daily press conferences.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 11:27:48 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:24:58 AM

I don't think it matters at all. This is complete ego stroke. All he wants to do is get the job and then yell at everybody about how much of an idiot they are. Actually doing a decent job he would either be completely incapable of or all the work would be delegated to actual policy heads and while he's basically a yelling machine that holds daily press conferences.

No chance, do you know this guy because you're talking out your ass right now?

He's literally the textbook definition of a micro manager. I mean this dude calls his people if somebody leaves a pop can in front of a building then drives around the block until they pick it up.

The chance of him saying "yeah you do this" is nil.


I mean if you're going to insult somebody, at least know who he is before flailing around like a 12 year old girl.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 11:34:13 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 15, 2016, 01:18:21 AM

If Trump loses Ohio tomorrow (looks like it's going to happen) then he apparently will have a very tough time getting over 50% of the delegates. So he'll just scrape by to the convention and basically it'll just be a clusterfuck where half the party will settle for him and the other half will be calling him a usurper.

In 12 months, the GOP will say it was a good thing that Hillary won by double digits because it teaches them that they really shouldn't go for a Trump like candidate. They'll consider it a teachable moment.

Breh, you act like I don't already have access to a spreadsheet. He can lose Ohio and still clear the delegate hurdle.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BoaRz-sNZvfeWYbJMwFuIX7OKuTQWukdBgSdC10QygM/edit#gid=0

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 11:34:59 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 11:34:13 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 15, 2016, 01:18:21 AM

If Trump loses Ohio tomorrow (looks like it's going to happen) then he apparently will have a very tough time getting over 50% of the delegates. So he'll just scrape by to the convention and basically it'll just be a clusterfuck where half the party will settle for him and the other half will be calling him a usurper.

In 12 months, the GOP will say it was a good thing that Hillary won by double digits because it teaches them that they really shouldn't go for a Trump like candidate. They'll consider it a teachable moment.

Breh, you act like I don't already have access to a spreadsheet. He can lose Ohio and still clear the delegate hurdle.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BoaRz-sNZvfeWYbJMwFuIX7OKuTQWukdBgSdC10QygM/edit#gid=0

:snoop


Florida is his, those 99 delegates hurt the cause pretty bad. Thanks Rubio, you shit toting fuckhole.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 11:47:03 AM

The last couple of polls in Ohio actually trended TOWARDS Trump, too, so he might manage to pull it out. Kasich was up 5-6 points in most polls late last week, then a couple came out yesterday that had them tied. There will be no contested convention.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:59:32 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 11:27:48 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:24:58 AM

I don't think it matters at all. This is complete ego stroke. All he wants to do is get the job and then yell at everybody about how much of an idiot they are. Actually doing a decent job he would either be completely incapable of or all the work would be delegated to actual policy heads and while he's basically a yelling machine that holds daily press conferences.

No chance, do you know this guy because you're talking out your ass right now?

He's literally the textbook definition of a micro manager. I mean this dude calls his people if somebody leaves a pop can in front of a building then drives around the block until they pick it up.

The chance of him saying "yeah you do this" is nil.


I mean if you're going to insult somebody, at least know who he is before flailing around like a 12 year old girl.

Yes. I'm talking out of my ass. Pot meet Kettle.

I didn't insult but if you want to turn every post from here on out in every thread into a petty bitch fight. I'm down asshole.

Make sure you toss in some football references. That's very intimidating.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 12:02:09 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:59:32 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 11:27:48 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 11:24:58 AM

I don't think it matters at all. This is complete ego stroke. All he wants to do is get the job and then yell at everybody about how much of an idiot they are. Actually doing a decent job he would either be completely incapable of or all the work would be delegated to actual policy heads and while he's basically a yelling machine that holds daily press conferences.

No chance, do you know this guy because you're talking out your ass right now?

He's literally the textbook definition of a micro manager. I mean this dude calls his people if somebody leaves a pop can in front of a building then drives around the block until they pick it up.

The chance of him saying "yeah you do this" is nil.


I mean if you're going to insult somebody, at least know who he is before flailing around like a 12 year old girl.

Yes. I'm talking out of my ass. Pot meet Kettle.

I didn't insult but if you want to turn every post from here on out into a petty bitch fight. I'm down asshole.

Bitch fight? Not at all.

At least know who's running for president in a better capacity then "he's a republican, boo"....fucking West Coast bringing down this country since 1920.

I mean I don't like Hillary or Bernie but I can at least credit them with work they have performed. Try that.

And as for the extra shot, you sell wine to housewives and tryhards, get on my level pimp  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 12:03:25 PM

Trump is tearing Black Bore apart.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 12:03:45 PM

One is a nazi. The other is christian fundamentalist nutjob. They suck. I don't care what you call hillary or bernie. Who gives a shit as you would say.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 12:04:28 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 12:03:25 PM

Trump is tearing Black Bore apart.

Nah. 

However Ben Carson might have fucked Trump this AM! There's some good news.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/03/15/3760261/carson-offered-position-by-trump/



"I only backed Trump because he said I would have a place in his cabinet"

 :dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 12:07:55 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 12:03:45 PM

One is a nazi. The other is christian fundamentalist nutjob. They suck. I don't care what you call hillary or bernie. Who gives a shit as you would say.

Ah the pleasure of the uniformed.

Cruz: nut, nothing else need be said.
Rubio: Useless and has a personality to match. Never ever votes on anything, ever.
Kasich: Killed Ohio's economy, wants to kill planned parenthood, wants to kill social security, etc
Trump: Has no fucking idea what he's doing, and for some reason people like that he sounds like me drunk at 3am when he's promising shit to his people.

My party is in shambles and still is likely to win this election. Scary shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 12:10:04 PM

That's because you vote in a party of upper income interests and racists. Yep. That's scary shit alright.

I'm out!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 12:12:35 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 12:10:04 PM

That's because you vote in a party of upper income interests and racists. Yep. That's scary shit alright.

I'm out!

To be fair at least I can admit we are bringing a  posse of fucktards to the party.


Meanwhile

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/03/15/clinton-commits-benghazi-gaffe-saying-us-didnt-lose-single-person-in-libya.html?intcmp=hpbt1

Really? I mean who's managing her campaign? Oh I forgot she thinks she's the smartest person in the room and needs nobodies advice.

Also her "putting coal miners out of work" comment should sit well in Ohio too. Stupid Bitch. And this is who you guys trust to run our country? C'mon man.

:snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 15, 2016, 12:24:33 PM

How exactly did Kasich 'kill Ohio's economy'. It's been shit for 15 years now.

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/29123912/OhioMiddleClass_webfig1.png

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: tiesto on March 15, 2016, 12:31:18 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 11:47:03 AM

The last couple of polls in Ohio actually trended TOWARDS Trump, too, so he might manage to pull it out. Kasich was up 5-6 points in most polls late last week, then a couple came out yesterday that had them tied. There will be no contested convention.

Oh man, if there was a contested convention... the riots that would ensue...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 12:32:18 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 15, 2016, 12:24:33 PM

How exactly did Kasich 'kill Ohio's economy'. It's been shit for 15 years now.

https://cdn.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/29123912/OhioMiddleClass_webfig1.png

Well let's go down the list shall we

1) Backed NAFTA which just cleared out, what, it's 6th auto plant in Ohio

2) Backed fracking and allowed heavy investments to come into the state despite being warned about falling gas prices. Now these plants/locations are idle or idling and have laid of thousands of people.

3)Killed a 400 million dollar grant for passenger rail service

4) Is in bed with Rupert Murdoch and is know to take advice from that shithead.

5) Canned 230 million dollars earmarked for renewable energy

6) Is backing a bailout of First Energy, 3 billion dollars worth, despite them being one of the most profitable energy providers in the country.

7) Killed Green energy and buildings, period.

etc, etc.

Guy is a walking deal killer who is so deep in bed with Big Petroleum that he probably spoons it at night.

Oh and his involvement in the whole Lehman brothers fiasco looks great on a resume.......

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 15, 2016, 12:41:11 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=198388395&postcount=6643

Quote

But if Bernie wins Ohio, IL and MO, even if Hillary picks up more delegates and increases her lead, we are going to get hammered with a media narrative that she's slipping, can't win northern states

Watch out for the lamestream media endorsing Vladimir Ilitch Sanders  :brazilcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:25:32 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/03/cleveland_poll_worker_pulls_ou.html#incart_2box


 :cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: james on March 15, 2016, 01:26:12 PM

Im laying it all down right now.

Bernie sweeps all the states that matter today.

Boom.

 :hump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 15, 2016, 01:32:08 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 12:02:09 PM

...fucking West Coast bringing down this country since 1920.

...
And as for the extra shot, you sell wine to housewives and tryhards, get on my level pimp  :doge

Are you....confusing Stoney for Steve Contra?

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:34:24 PM

I've been known to do that with people. I blame CTS

 :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 01:36:23 PM

But....Ohio isn't doing bad at all, and Kasich is very popular there...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 15, 2016, 01:37:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:34:24 PM

I've been known to do that with people. I blame CTS

 :confused

CT....E, perhaps?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:38:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 01:36:23 PM

But....Ohio isn't doing bad at all, and Kasich is very popular there...

Huh? We're total shit bro.

http://watchdog.org/210923/ohio-ranks-49th/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:38:46 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 15, 2016, 01:37:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:34:24 PM

I've been known to do that with people. I blame CTS

 :confused

CT....E, perhaps?

That's the joke, Colombo.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 01:39:34 PM

I think you should take your Ls and retire for the day, AiA. I've been there before trust me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:41:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 01:39:34 PM

I think you should take your Ls and retire for the day, AiA. I've been there before trust me.

Sure as soon as you tell me what they are, big guy.

Nothing I've said here is incorrect.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 15, 2016, 01:42:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 01:39:34 PM

I think you should take your Ls and retire for the day, AiA. I've been there before trust me.

I'm waiting for him to tell me to go cuddle with my pet shiba inu and dig up some more gross-out porn to share.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 01:48:02 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 15, 2016, 01:42:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 01:39:34 PM

I think you should take your Ls and retire for the day, AiA. I've been there before trust me.

I'm waiting for him to tell me to go cuddle with my pet shiba inu and dig up some more gross-out porn to share.

Nah I don't really know anything about you or whomever likes gross out porn. Unfortunately inside jokes and failed life expectations among the nerd herd aren't my specialty, as you can plainly see.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Steve Contra on March 15, 2016, 01:56:56 PM

At least I got confused with Stoney, imagine my shame if it had been with PD

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: UseYurBrain on March 15, 2016, 02:01:02 PM

AIA... Wow it's refreshing to see this display of Alpha Male aggressive posting
I've been missing it ...

Who are your rooting for? Trump?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:05:43 PM

Quote from: UseYurBrain on March 15, 2016, 02:01:02 PM

AIA... Wow it's refreshing to see this display of Alpha Male aggressive posting
I've been missing it ...

Who are your rooting for? Trump?

LOL, sure Trump. I suppose you didn't read, oh the last 3 pages before you piped in to get your e-cred.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 15, 2016, 02:12:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:05:43 PM

Quote from: UseYurBrain on March 15, 2016, 02:01:02 PM

AIA... Wow it's refreshing to see this display of Alpha Male aggressive posting
I've been missing it ...

Who are your rooting for? Trump?

LOL, sure Trump. I suppose you didn't read, oh the last 3 pages before you piped in to get your e-cred.

*fwooosh*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:31:18 PM

(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/With-Rubio-down-and-Carson-out-Trump-gains-in-national-support.png)

*fwoosh*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 15, 2016, 02:43:12 PM

When was the last time we had a republican nominee that at least pretended to believe in all of america? Was it Mccain? Romney believed in 53% Trump in 1%.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:52:54 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 15, 2016, 02:43:12 PM

When was the last time we had a republican nominee that at least pretended to believe in all of america? Was it Mccain? Romney believed in 53% Trump in 1%.

Probably about the last time a democrat did, so never.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 15, 2016, 02:54:46 PM

"pretended" AiA. Pretended.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 15, 2016, 02:54:54 PM

I hope Rubio's political career is ruined from this and is left to rolling cigars back in Havanna.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:56:26 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 15, 2016, 02:54:46 PM

"pretended" AiA. Pretended.

So you prefer to be lied to....I get it you're a liberal it makes total sense.

(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02831/Clinton1web_2831249b.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:56:59 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 15, 2016, 02:54:54 PM

I hope Rubio's political career is ruined from this and is left to rolling cigars back in Havanna.

Oh he's done. The minute he steps down he'll be thrown out of the circle, which is probably a favor for him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: UseYurBrain on March 15, 2016, 03:23:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:05:43 PM

Quote from: UseYurBrain on March 15, 2016, 02:01:02 PM

AIA... Wow it's refreshing to see this display of Alpha Male aggressive posting
I've been missing it ...

Who are your rooting for? Trump?

LOL, sure Trump. I suppose you didn't read, oh the last 3 pages before you piped in to get your e-cred.

Ok no Trump then who?
Are you a Kasich guy like me?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 15, 2016, 03:31:20 PM

Quote from: james on March 15, 2016, 01:26:12 PM

Im laying it all down right now.

Bernie sweeps all the states that matter today.

Boom.

 :hump

bernie fans can't even be specific about predictions

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 03:33:05 PM

Rubio is finished. He gave up his senate seat for this lmao. And after losing his home state today I don't see how he can run for governor there in two years. On the plus side he's only 44 so perhaps he can make a comeback some day...but who knows what the republican party will look like by then.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Steve Contra on March 15, 2016, 03:34:03 PM

Rubio was toast the second he tried to get anything done on immigration.  The republicans are absolute on that now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 03:37:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 03:33:05 PM

but who knows what the republican party will look like by then.

Pretty much what it looks like now. Except even more crazy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: james on March 15, 2016, 04:03:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 02:31:18 PM

(http://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/With-Rubio-down-and-Carson-out-Trump-gains-in-national-support.png)

*fwoosh*

I was told Trump had a ceiling.

Funny how the people who are most wrong about Trump are also Hillary fans

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 15, 2016, 04:20:17 PM

I can't believe I'm posting a Buzzfeed Facebook video  :doge but these are the times we live in....

https://www.facebook.com/BuzzFeedNews/videos/1108709599150057/ (https://www.facebook.com/BuzzFeedNews/videos/1108709599150057/)

I know Drumpf's crowd is the exact crowd that is aghast that Obummer has the audacity to breathe so this probably proves nothing, but what does your shitty Uncle have to say about all this?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 04:24:45 PM

Obama was all class there no doubt about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brob on March 15, 2016, 04:45:15 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432813/donald-trump-breitbart-lapdogs-reveal-media-corruption

Quote

The press is somehow slack-jawed by Breitbart’s predictable refusal to stand up to Trump. What is more interesting is that credible news organizations have for months now ignored the Trump campaign’s disregard for the media. For ratings and clicks, they’ve taken seats seven rows back at his self-parodic press conferences at Mar-a-Lago while his golf-club members are given front-row access. For ratings and clicks, they’ve allowed themselves to be penned up like farm animals at his rallies and risked scuffles with the Secret Service for covering the events like actual reporters. For ratings and clicks, Trump has been allowed to violate the rules of a presidential debate – consulting with a campaign manager during a commercial break — with impunity. For ratings and clicks, Trump has been allowed to phone in to prime-time and Sunday shows while his challengers have been required to show up on set.

 :aweshum

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/BpV3zGu.png)
:letsfukk

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 04:52:37 PM

 :money

If Donald Trump buys the presidency does that mean our capitalist rating levels up to level 2?

I mean isn't that the exact end goal of capitalism?

:confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 04:55:11 PM

I like the bias they are complaining about is based around money and advertising revenue. I thought Republicans loved those things!


edit: beaten by a couple of minutes. shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 05:26:37 PM

That Trump/Obama video kinda really highlights that deep down many conservatives have always longed for a strongman type who promises law and order while ridiculing "those people" who have hijacked our democracy (be they brown people or welfare recipients).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Vertigo on March 15, 2016, 05:36:09 PM

The National Review and their ilk going off the deep end this election cycle, has been orgasmic to behold.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 05:40:11 PM

Oh Marco. You're so precious.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rubio-staying-in-after-florida-primary

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 06:02:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 05:26:37 PM

That Trump/Obama video kinda really highlights that deep down many conservatives have always longed for a strongman type who promises law and order while ridiculing "those people" who have hijacked our democracy (be they brown people or welfare recipients).

Serious question: What percentage of the party do you think feels this way? 20%? 30?

Man I know a lot and yeah there are some real assholes in this shit but can't you guys say the same?

Not all dude.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2016, 06:08:19 PM

Nah.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2016, 06:08:32 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 15, 2016, 06:02:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 05:26:37 PM

That Drumpf/Obama video kinda really highlights that deep down many conservatives have always longed for a strongman type who promises law and order while ridiculing "those people" who have hijacked our democracy (be they brown people or welfare recipients).

Serious question: What percentage of the party do you think feels this way? 20%? 30?

Man I know a lot and yeah there are some real assholes in this shit but can't you guys say the same?

Not all dude.

I would say exactly 53%.

https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/14/trump-rises-national-support-rubio-falls-and-carso/ (https://today.yougov.com/news/2016/03/14/trump-rises-national-support-rubio-falls-and-carso/)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 15, 2016, 07:55:18 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-calls-for-vulgar-2016-rhetoric-stop (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-calls-for-vulgar-2016-rhetoric-stop)

What's it going to be like when there are no more adults in the room?

Drumpf has been crashing on me like a tidal wave. Despite all metrics I still considered him a clown-show, but he's not is he? He's going to define the next couple of years....FUUUCCKKK

Someone talk me down plz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 08:00:25 PM

Trump crushing Rubio by 20 points so far in FL

:lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 08:01:39 PM

GOOOOOOODBYE, RUBIO TUESDAY

WHO COULD HANG AN L ON YOU

STILL I'M GONNA MISS YOU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Syph on March 15, 2016, 08:05:16 PM

welp i guess that makes it official
trump v. clinton
gg usa 2016-2020
 :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: archie4208 on March 15, 2016, 08:14:43 PM

Time to read Reddit for delicious Sanders tears.  :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 08:22:35 PM

Rubio out

:aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2016, 08:30:05 PM

Paul Begala on Rubio:  "He is a guy with a great future behind him."

 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 08:31:43 PM

That feel when a Clinton era has been zings you

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2016, 08:32:25 PM

What a time to be alive.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 15, 2016, 08:35:41 PM

Quote from: Syph on March 15, 2016, 08:05:16 PM

welp i guess that makes it official
trump v. clinton
gg usa 2016-2020
 :usacry

The apathy is taking me

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 15, 2016, 08:56:25 PM

Quote from: archie4208 on March 15, 2016, 08:14:43 PM

Time to read Reddit for delicious Sanders tears.  :lawd

I really like the man but yeah they are insufferable.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: chronovore on March 15, 2016, 08:56:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ciavyc6bE7A

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2016, 08:57:39 PM

Kasich wins Ohio

Wondering if Cruz and he can duke it out until the convention.  Brokered convention would be so lolworthy

Sad that Bernie is out but it's time to rally behind Hilldawg

Hillaryis45

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2016, 09:01:55 PM

Sanders may not win, but he leaves behind a vibrant social democratic movement, including lots of leftist down-ticket candidates who won primaries with his help.

Oh wait.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 09:05:16 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 15, 2016, 09:01:55 PM

Sanders may not win, but he leaves behind a vibrant social democratic movement, including lots of leftist down-ticket candidates who won primaries with his help.

Oh wait.

All those "Sanders wins even though he'll lose" think pieces sure look dumb now. The future of the party is Obama, not Sanders cosigning a variety of ideas the president has already supported.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2016, 09:11:26 PM

Neogaf tears

Quote

I don't think many Hillary supporters actually realize that this isn't just a fight for a candidate, this is a fight for the future of the Democratic party. Many of us feel that Hillary represents everything that is wrong about the party and the wrong kind of future for the country. It ain't going to be as simple as crying in beers for a couple days.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 09:26:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on March 15, 2016, 09:11:26 PM

Neogaf tears

Quote

I don't think many Hillary supporters actually realize that this isn't just a fight for a candidate, this is a fight for the future of the Democratic party. Many of us feel that Hillary represents everything that is wrong about the party and the wrong kind of future for the country. It ain't going to be as simple as crying in beers for a couple days.

Tough shit, fuckstick. If that's your concern, then you ought to be organizing precinct by precinct to transform the Democratic party. It's not fun, it's a fuckload of work, but it's how things are done. "Feeling the Bern" and idolizing one human being is fucking childish. This is why, even though I voted for Sanders and prefer his policies to Hillary, I want to drown a majority of Bernie's supporters in a fucking bathtub.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 15, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

Ayup

I swore I'd never be "that guy," but I really fucking wish Obama would be able to stick around another term.  Even if he couldn't get anything done, at least I know I'd have an unflappable, strong-willed president with at least the appearance of sincerity.  I'll miss him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 15, 2016, 09:39:05 PM

Anita Alvarez, the Chicago prosecutor who had the Laquan McDonald case (and didn't prosecute for over a year), lost re-election tonight.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Steve Contra on March 15, 2016, 09:45:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 15, 2016, 09:39:05 PM

Anita Alvarez, the Chicago prosecutor who had the Laquan McDonald case (and didn't prosecute for over a year), lost re-election tonight.

Thank god.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 10:49:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/LMavNOH.png)
 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dennis on March 15, 2016, 11:26:03 PM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/709941293477195776

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 16, 2016, 01:00:50 AM

(http://img.timeinc.net/time/magazine/archive/covers/2013/1101130218_600.jpg)

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dennis on March 16, 2016, 01:07:57 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ztj2YUB.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2016, 02:08:51 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/marco-rubio-2016-campaign-drop-out-213736

Quote

Three days before Florida’s climactic primary, Marco Rubio sank deep into a black leather armchair on his campaign bus. He had just spent 25 minutes smiling wide for supporters at a high-end boutique selling $150 candles. “Don’t forget to vote on Tuesday!” he shouted from the third step of a wood-paneled staircase. Now, on his parked bus, the afternoon sunlight shut out by drawn blinds, the smile was gone. The candidate knew it was already over.

“There will be a reckoning,” he warned.

“There will be a reckoning in the mainstream media, where all these networks and cable networks are going to have to ask themselves why did they give so much coverage for the sake of ratings,” he said. “There will be a reckoning in the conservative movement, where a lot of people who for a long time have espoused conservative principles seem to not care about those anymore in rallying around Donald Trump because they like his attitude.

“I think there are a lot of people in the conservative movement who are going to spend years and years explaining to people how they fell into this and how they allowed this to happen.”

Quote

“The Tea Party movement was ideological,” Rubio said aboard his bus. “It was about the direction of our country, it was about policy, about liberalism versus conservatism. This is all about anger. He knows there are people out there who are angry and frustrated because they’re hurting; and instead of saying, ‘I know you’re angry, here’s how we’re going to fix it, he says, ‘I know you’re angry, let’s get even angrier so you’ll vote for me, and then we’ll take it out on whoever you’re going to take it out on.’ It’s a hijacking of the movement, not an evolution of it.”

Quote

And an hour before the polls closed in Florida on Tuesday night, Rubio’s team was finally willing to acknowledge what their candidate hinted at on his bus—2016 wasn’t going to be their year. They were already looking ahead toward 2020. Their optimistic message, they said, didn’t match the angry mood of the GOP base this year. But Rubio’s team predicted that when the Republican Party emerges from the rubble of this election cycle, he would be well-positioned to unify and lead it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mupepe on March 16, 2016, 07:50:31 AM

what a fruit cake

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 16, 2016, 08:20:38 AM

What ever happened to losing with dignity? Christ.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2016, 08:49:51 AM

:violin

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2016, 09:11:27 AM

Obama will announce his SC nominee today. :hyper :popcorn

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2016, 09:14:40 AM

The Tea Party was about solutions? :lol

You idiots built Trump. This is the product of 8 years of shit. This is what happens when that old lady asks you if Obama was born here and you say "I'll have to look into that." This is what happens when you claim access to healthcare is going to result in death panels. This is what happens when you insinuate a president and Secretary of State let four dudes die in Benghazi because they hate America. This shit didn't suddenly appear out of nowhere, it's a monster that has been built for decades but was perhaps most potent in 2010.

So now once again we'll hear how the party is going to change and everything will be fine. It's like these suit a tie mofos don't even know who pays the bills. Trump supporters aren't going away. They're going to be even more angry when he gets blown out in November, and even more angry during 2020 midterms. And once again the party will cater to them, win some seats, and prepare for another election disaster.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 16, 2016, 09:41:06 AM

I'm not sure Hilary can beat Trump.

I mean I know she is infinitely more suited for the job, and Trump is a raging idiot, but Hilary is so unlikeable and something about her face makes me distrust her. Real sorry for you guys you are stuck with these two. Unless Bern makes a comeback of sorts.

Trump is America's Boris Yeltsin, but without the street cred. So don't worry America, look how great Russia is doing now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 16, 2016, 09:46:24 AM

Never forget

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9YnDirqwT4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 10:01:29 AM

Hard to believe he can win the general after alienating women, blacks, latinos (at the very least of mexican descent) and a few other demographics. All the more with the GOP going in half hearted. I would imagine having all networks and grassroot groups working their ass off on the ground at the local level is an important part of a campaign. Not gonna deny it's depressing he even has a shot at it.

Also, just like the far right in Europe, that shit won't wash overnight even if he would be handed an humiliating defeat. I always thought a strict two party system was trash but at least so far it gave the illusion to be shielded from this type of evolution.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: wsippel on March 16, 2016, 10:16:34 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 10:01:29 AM

Hard to believe he can win the general after alienating women, blacks, latinos (at the very least of mexican descent) and a few other demographics. All the more with the GOP going in half hearted. I would imagine having all networks and grassroot groups working their ass off on the ground at the local level is an important part of a campaign. Not gonna deny it's depressing he even has a shot at it.

Also, just like the far right in Europe, that shit won't wash overnight even if he would be handed an humiliating defeat. I always thought a strict two party system was trash but at least so far it gave the illusion to be shielded from this type of evolution.

Honestly, given that Bernie has a snowball's chance in hell, it's a choice between a corrupt warmonger and Donald Trump. I think I'd prefer the populist idiot to win in this case.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: james on March 16, 2016, 10:17:33 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 15, 2016, 09:05:16 PM

All those "Sanders wins even though he'll lose" think pieces sure look dumb now. The future of the party is Obama, not Sanders cosigning a variety of ideas the president has already supported.

Not everyone gives a shit about the future of the Democrat party.

If 5% of Bernie voters show up in November and vote Green, it is a very good day for this country.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: tiesto on March 16, 2016, 10:27:10 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 10:01:29 AM

Hard to believe he can win the general after alienating women, blacks, latinos (at the very least of mexican descent) and a few other demographics. All the more with the GOP going in half hearted. I would imagine having all networks and grassroot groups working their ass off on the ground at the local level is an important part of a campaign. Not gonna deny it's depressing he even has a shot at it.

Also, just like the far right in Europe, that shit won't wash overnight even if he would be handed an humiliating defeat. I always thought a strict two party system was trash but at least so far it gave the illusion to be shielded from this type of evolution.

I'm actually starting to get a bit worried... There still will be plenty of women who will vote for him (you don't win so many Republican primaries without women voters), and Blacks/Hispanics historically have low turnout rates. A lot of swing states also happen to be Rust Belt, pro-union states with large working class White populations who have historically voted Democrat, much more concerned with economic issues than identity politics, and they may very well want to vote for Trump over someone who supported the trade deals that ravaged their hometowns.

The Republicans may have been a slapdash melding of small-government Libertarian/Tea Party types, the heavily religious, big-business "movement conservatives", and social conservatives that fragmented this primary... but the Democrats are also built on fairly shaky ground (what does a poor inner-city minority have in common with a trendy west coast hippie have in common with a union firefighter from the east have in common with a highly educated ivory tower type?). And an independent can at least chip off one or two of those blocks.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 10:41:01 AM

Quote from: tiesto on March 16, 2016, 10:27:10 AM

I'm actually starting to get a bit worried... There still will be plenty of women who will vote for him (you don't win so many Republican primaries without women voters), and Blacks/Hispanics historically have low turnout rates. A lot of swing states also happen to be Rust Belt, pro-union states with large working class White populations who have historically voted Democrat, much more concerned with economic issues than identity politics, and they may very well want to vote for Trump over someone who supported the trade deals that ravaged their hometowns.

There's the same narrative in Europe but I honestly want to believe that not all working stiffs will be so easily conned by Trump. It's not that the proletariat can do no wrong but I was always skeptical of how they have to shoulder all the blame for that shit. But yeah... The litany of TINA candidates through decades is taking its tool. Clinton will have a full campaign to try to adress that, because despite how prominent the discussion about foreign policy always is in those (and that seem to be the focus of the argument for many today), it's almost a total non-issue in elections.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 16, 2016, 10:43:05 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 15, 2016, 08:31:43 PM

That feel when a Clinton era has been zings you

this works for both rubio and sanders  :aweshum

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Syph on March 16, 2016, 10:48:08 AM

So John Boehner just (kinda) endorsed Paul Ryan for President...
would be kinda funny if Ryan somehow ends up being the nominee and then wins in light of Biden deciding not to run haha

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 16, 2016, 11:47:11 AM

Kasich ended up winning by 11 points? The polls were really off on that race.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 16, 2016, 11:57:27 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 16, 2016, 11:47:11 AM

Kasich ended up winning by 11 points? The polls were really off on that race.

I think people polled emotionally but voted intelligently. My respect level for Northern Ohio went up a bit last night.

On a better note for Ohio, McGinty and his corrupt ass FINALLY got bounced out of the Court system.  Hopefully the full on defense of the Police will be tempered in the Cleveland area now! :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2016, 12:44:38 PM

but AiA said no one in Ohio knows or cares about Kasich.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 16, 2016, 12:51:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2016, 12:44:38 PM

but AiA said no one in Ohio knows or cares about Kasich.

Trust me, they don't. But apparently they are smart enough to keep the lesser of two evils in play.

I think 28% was his all time low.

Quote

GONYEA: Kasich's approval rating plummeted to 28 percent. In subsequent years, he tacked to the center, at least on some issues. He angered many conservatives by agreeing to take federal dollars to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, something most Republican governors have refused to do.

KASICH: Well, everybody has to do what they want to do, but for me because we brought Ohio money back, we now have an ability to treat the mentally ill, many of whom are in our prisons and jails.

But that trump bump got him in the 50's now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2016, 01:54:03 PM

Quote

"On Feb. 20, the Republican National Committee announced that a GOP presidential primary debate would be held on March 21 in Salt Lake City. They offered that debate to Fox News Channel to host, provided there were enough candidates actively campaigning," Fox News Executive Vice President Michael Clemente said in a statement.

"This morning, Donald Trump announced he would not be participating in the debate. Shortly afterward, John Kasich's campaign announced that without Trump at the debate, Kasich would not participate. Ted Cruz has expressed a willingness to debate Trump or Kasich — or both. But obviously, there needs to be more than one participant. So the Salt Lake City debate is cancelled," Clemente said.

Trump said earlier on Wednesday that he was scheduled to speak at a conference of the pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC, and would be skipping the Utah debate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2016, 02:13:45 PM

Quote

Former House speaker Newt Gingrich said that Rubio campaigned in a way that quickly became obsolete.

“Rubio was prepared, much like Jeb Bush, for a reasonable dialogue in Washington policy language, offering positions that reflect 40 years of national security and foreign-policy experts. All of that disappeared. The market didn’t care,” Gingrich said.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 16, 2016, 03:21:14 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/gkTie10.jpg)

:ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2016, 03:45:01 PM

Now we're never gonna find out if Rubio really was a R E N T B O Y.  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: doctavius bonbon on March 16, 2016, 03:53:39 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 16, 2016, 03:21:14 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/gkTie10.jpg)

:ohhh

"Bernie only needs 57.5% of remaining delegates to win and is expected to win the majority of states."  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 16, 2016, 03:59:59 PM

I mean, it's not impossible

spoiler (click to show/hide)

*sigh* (x) H. Clinton

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2016, 04:05:04 PM

Saving the McConnell rule for future situations.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2016, 04:10:06 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 16, 2016, 04:05:04 PM

Saving the McConnell rule for future situations.

Pull your head into your shell when you sense danger?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2016, 04:21:59 PM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on March 16, 2016, 03:53:39 PM

"Bernie only needs 57.5% of remaining delegates to win and is expected to win the majority of states."  :lol

This shows how pathetic and unprepared for electoral politics the Sanders people are. New GOP Frontrunner John Kasich needs to win 110% of the remaining delegates (and at minimum seven more states to even be on the first ballot barring a rules change for him specifically) and he's already locking down his campaign strategy for months to come:

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"It's nuanced, and it's not simple," said Ohio Republican Party Chairman Matt Borges, who is part of Kasich's inner circle. "But it's our message and our path forward."

Quote

"Oh, yeah, look, I may go to the convention before this is over with more delegates than anybody else," Kasich said.

He stressed that money wouldn't be an issue for his campaign going forward, either.

"I heard Jake Tapper saying well, he doesn't have any money," he told Blitzer. "I mean, tell Jake I'll have all the money we need, okay?"

Quote

“We are going to go all the way to Cleveland and secure the Republican nomination.”

Meanwhile the Sanders people are probably going to be doing the same old thing rather than issuing real strategery memos.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2016, 04:26:08 PM

Wait, forget it, I didn't know they were doing this: https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/wiki/facebanking

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brob on March 16, 2016, 04:26:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/N5f15ua.jpg)
http://gawker.com/pbs-news-story-on-first-time-trump-voters-prominently-f-1765284316
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 16, 2016, 04:51:19 PM

From the comments:

Quote

This whole family of WalMartians for Drumpf

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: UseYurBrain on March 16, 2016, 05:12:41 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 16, 2016, 12:51:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2016, 12:44:38 PM

but AiA said no one in Ohio knows or cares about Kasich.

Trust me, they don't. But apparently they are smart enough to keep the lesser of two evils in play.

I think 28% was his all time low.

Quote

GONYEA: Kasich's approval rating plummeted to 28 percent. In subsequent years, he tacked to the center, at least on some issues. He angered many conservatives by agreeing to take federal dollars to expand Medicaid under Obamacare, something most Republican governors have refused to do.

KASICH: Well, everybody has to do what they want to do, but for me because we brought Ohio money back, we now have an ability to treat the mentally ill, many of whom are in our prisons and jails.

But that trump bump got him in the 50's now.

 :point :point :point :point :point :point :point :point

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: helios on March 16, 2016, 05:17:01 PM

Quote from: brob on March 16, 2016, 04:26:32 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/N5f15ua.jpg)
http://gawker.com/pbs-news-story-on-first-time-trump-voters-prominently-f-1765284316
:dead

 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 16, 2016, 07:04:16 PM

https://storify.com/docrocktex26/when-racism-gets-in-socialism

long but some potent ether
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 07:12:29 PM

Quote

https://storify.com/docrocktex26/when-racism-gets-in-socialism

Quote

We can't seem to agree on whether we want to fight the bigots or the banks first.

Why not both ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 16, 2016, 07:21:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZb-C39U0BE

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 16, 2016, 07:36:02 PM

 :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on March 16, 2016, 11:25:58 PM

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-new-york-times-sandbagged-bernie-sanders-20160315

 :ryker :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2016, 12:02:55 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/economist-trump-presidency-global-risk-220887

 :letsfukk :letsfukk :letsfukk :letsfukk :letsfukk :letsfukk :letsfukk

(http://i.imgur.com/PrknsKE.png)

Trump tied with jihadi terrorism as something that could fuck up the world.  :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dennis on March 17, 2016, 07:41:21 AM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BDBS8bYGhWr/

 :dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 17, 2016, 09:32:03 AM

(http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/NyWuShRXJbi8LUSaLJatMw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztmaT1maWxsO2g9Mzc3O2lsPXBsYW5lO3B4b2ZmPTUwO3B5b2ZmPTA7cT03NTt3PTY3MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2016-02-26T041546Z_1999120006_TB3EC2Q0BU0WX_RTRMADP_3_USA-ELECTION.JPG)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 17, 2016, 09:56:20 AM

Wikileaks has collected and archived the dreaded Hillary e-mails.  I'm sure your favorite wankpiece clickbait farm will peruse them and write a 5000 word essay nobody will read about them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2016, 10:58:41 AM

Indictment and jail any day now amirite?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2016, 11:28:57 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 17, 2016, 10:58:41 AM

Indictment and jail any day now amirite?

Yep, Bernie Sanders v Paul Ryan in the general, deffo.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 17, 2016, 11:41:00 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 16, 2016, 11:25:58 PM

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-the-new-york-times-sandbagged-bernie-sanders-20160315

 :ryker :success

the rolling stone calling out any media outlet on their journalism practices

 :beli

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on March 17, 2016, 11:51:59 AM

:yeshrug

Salon do for you?

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/16/new_york_times_busted_for_anti_bernie_bias_the_iconic_clinton_endorsing_newspaper_slyly_edits_article_to_smear_sanders/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

Medium?

https://medium.com/@brokenravioli/proof-that-the-new-york-times-isn-t-feeling-the-bern-c74e1109cdf6#.7gp0nejjc

Either way, it's hilarious how the New York Times edited the article because it wasn't "negative" enough.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2016, 01:45:34 PM

NYTimes admits the NYTimes stole Tuesday's primaries for Hillary: http://publiceditor.blogs.nytimes.com/2016/03/17/new-york-times-bernie-sanders-coverage-public-editor/

Is trying to shift blame to Obama: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/18/us/politics/obama-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 17, 2016, 02:30:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Mpk5lUg.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 17, 2016, 03:25:47 PM

Why would President Trump want Hillary to pick a justice for him? And then use the nuclear option to get it through a supermajority GOP Senate?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 17, 2016, 05:08:18 PM

Y'all see Hillary on Broad City? So cringe worthy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2016, 11:45:40 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 17, 2016, 02:54:24 PM

Nah, Hillary's pick needs to be a fuck you pick. The GOP's action here cannot go unpunished. I'm thinking Goodwin Liu via nuclear option.

If you're going all in, then it's gotta be Obama.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 18, 2016, 12:16:02 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2016, 11:45:40 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 17, 2016, 02:54:24 PM

Nah, Hillary's pick needs to be a fuck you pick. The GOP's action here cannot go unpunished. I'm thinking Goodwin Liu via nuclear option.

If you're going all in, then it's gotta be Obama.

Michelle Obama.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2016, 12:30:10 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 18, 2016, 12:16:02 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2016, 11:45:40 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 17, 2016, 02:54:24 PM

Nah, Hillary's pick needs to be a fuck you pick. The GOP's action here cannot go unpunished. I'm thinking Goodwin Liu via nuclear option.

If you're going all in, then it's gotta be Obama.

Michelle Obama.

Sasha Obama- she'd be on the court for like 60 years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2016, 01:01:24 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2016, 12:30:10 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 18, 2016, 12:16:02 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 17, 2016, 11:45:40 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 17, 2016, 02:54:24 PM

Nah, Hillary's pick needs to be a fuck you pick. The GOP's action here cannot go unpunished. I'm thinking Goodwin Liu via nuclear option.

If you're going all in, then it's gotta be Obama.

Michelle Obama.

Sasha Obama- she'd be on the court for like 60 years.

Ya but in 50 years she'll be the leader of the Conservative Wing of the SCOTUS, and we'll all be like "OMG, I can't believe this old bat is still arguing against the constitutionality of catgirl marriage and robot abortions, just die already ffs."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 03:04:51 AM

It sucks that we don't have a political culture where Obama could propose Sasha as a post-term recess appointment and the GOP would actually recess Congress just so she was the ninth justice for a while.

Or a cat.

Really anything fun like that.

Hell, let her sit during the term but agree not to be the deciding vote.

Actually I don't even care if she votes, as long as she writes the opinions herself. NO HELPING WITH THE HOMEWORK DAD. AND NO GOING TO LINDSEY'S PARTY UNTIL YOU'VE FINISHED YOUR OPINIONS YOUNG LADY. I DON'T CARE HOW FABOLOUS HIS PARTIES ARE. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 03:05:47 AM

$hillary's first two SC appointments are going to be Goldman Sachs and Lockheed Martin amirite.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The twist is when they're the two votes to overturn Citizens United.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 04:59:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Cx2epPuKJo

Will "True Conservatives" voting for Hillary outnumber Sanders voters voting for Trump? :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l_9CQUSPo4

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 18, 2016, 06:21:51 AM

Nah nah, most of them are going to accept that Bernie lost with as good a chance as he was ever going to get. The hate for Trump among libs/moderates has just been growing since Trump announced he was running. 12 years after Bush was reelected, the whole country is going to be amazed that Donald Trump is the biggest obstacle to Democrats getting into the White House.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 18, 2016, 06:58:30 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 04:59:35 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l_9CQUSPo4

 :letsfukk
If only we could choose the correct candidate before the process to choose the correct candidate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 18, 2016, 08:56:37 AM

Anyone threatening to leave if it's a Hillary/Trump race should do some research because any parliamentary system is predicated on voting for a party and not a candidate.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2016, 09:02:08 AM

It's good to see shapiro back working from his mom's basement.

http://imgur.com/gallery/k4sEJQ6

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 09:19:03 AM

NRO is continuing to do WFB proud.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432933/donald-trump-jack-kemp-gop?target=author&tid=900170

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The End of GOP Optimism

Marco Rubio’s speech suspending his campaign after his crushing loss in the Florida primary was a requiem for an entire style of Republican politics.

Rubio represented an upbeat, opportunity-oriented vein in the GOP that ran through George W. Bush’s compassionate conservatism back to the late supply-sider Jack Kemp, who practically made a civic religion out of optimism and inclusivity.

Donald Trump has grabbed this Kempian tradition by the collar and frog-marched it from the room with all the delicacy of one of his security guards ejecting a troublesome protester from a rally.

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But Kempism lived on in George W. Bush, whose compassionate conservatism was latitudinarian on immigration and sought to win over minorities by softening conservatism’s edges.

Bush’s foremost domestic achievement was an enormous tax cut, and his Freedom Agenda was a Kemp-like advocacy of human rights on steroids.

This year, Trump has crushed Bushism underfoot. Yes, Trump has his own large-scale tax cut, but it has been an afterthought compared with his themes of immigration restriction, protectionism, and a robustly nationalistic, Jacksonian foreign policy.

After destroying Jeb Bush, Trump turned his attention to Rubio, a candidate who was Kempian in tone and affect. “I ask,” a visibly exhausted Rubio said in his Florida speech, “the American people do not give in to the fear, do not give in to the frustration.” Actually, if the Trumpian plurality in the Republican electorate has anything to say about it, fear and frustration will be high on the nation’s agenda in the fall.

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The politics of Jack Kemp were inadequate in many ways — he was wrong on immigration and too obsessed with reliving the glory days of the Reagan tax cuts — and the party was due for a populist refurbishing. Yet Kemp represented a belief in the future and the power of ideas that was admirable and, at its best, invigorating.

Today, the most prominent representative of Kempism is the supply-sider’s former protégé House speaker Paul Ryan, an earnest policy wonk who has advocated Kempian ideas for years. At this moment, it looks like his reward may well be presiding over a Republican convention that crowns Trump as the party’s nominee and most important national voice.

So Kemp was wrong on immigration because he opposed immigration restriction, but Trump is wronger on it?

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432947/donald-trump-defeat-him-and-save-gop

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The GOP Should Steal the Nomination from Trump

RNC chairman Reince Priebus says that he expects every GOP presidential candidate to uphold a pledge to support the eventual nominee. Considering what we heard in Senator Marco Rubio’s concession speech, I find this difficult to believe. At best, Priebus is going to have a bunch of politicians tiptoeing around Trump in tacit nonsupport. And if enough big-name Republicans end up supporting Trump, it only accentuates the need for a new party.

An ABC exit poll — with all the usual caveats about the unreliability of exit polls — said that six in ten non-Trump-supporters say they would “seriously consider a third party if he became the GOP’s nominee.” The more disgust his big-government positioning and ugly rhetoric generate, the higher that number rises. And there are a number of rational reasons to support such a run.

For starters, Trump supporters are already very angry about everything. It’s not as if they could be any angrier with the establishment. Once Trump is gone (and he’ll leave with no coherent movement), these voters will either have to come back and look for alternative candidates with compelling messages, or leave the party altogether.

In the short run, a third-party candidate might insulate down-ballot candidates from Trumpism. You do remember Todd Akin, I’m sure? Imagine a candidate being ceaselessly asked to comment on the various impulsive and unsavory positions that the presidential nominee has taken. For example, “Do you agree with the GOP nominee that children of terrorists should be executed?”

Offering a conservative alternative — whether it be Cruz, Senator Ben Sasse, or whoever — would allow candidates to endorse someone who jibed more faithfully with their beliefs. This could shield them somewhat from this dynamic.

A third party would also help sink Trump and elect Hillary Clinton. Electing a weakened and corrupt Democrat that Republicans would unite against in Congress is a far better reality than allowing a charlatan to hollow out a party from within.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/432946/pluralities-conventions-record

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Party nominees usually come to the convention with a majority of delegates. That could very happen for the Republicans this year.

What if it doesn’t? A friend noted on Facebook that in five of the last seven cases in which a candidate came to a party convention having earned a plurality of delegates, he didn’t win the nomination. He concludes, “Usually if the front-runner is unable to clinch a majority, it’s a sign of entrenched opposition limiting the potential of the candidacy.”

From a little bit of Googling, he appears to be right. Candidates who came to their conventions with a plurality won the Republican nominations in 1976 and 1948.

But the candidate who started with more delegates than anyone else did not win the 1952 Democratic, 1940 Republican, 1924 Democratic, 1920 Republican, or 1920 Democratic nominations. In those instances the nominations ultimately went to the candidate who came in third, third, seventh, sixth, and third, respectively, on their conventions’ first ballots.

Also worth noting: In only one of the seven cases in which nobody had a majority of the delegates at the start of the convention did the party go on to win in November. The Republicans won in 1920–but they were up against a Democratic party in which no candidate came to the convention with a majority of delegates, either.

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432679/donald-trump-melania-trump-immigration-h1b-visa

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Trump likes to proclaim that our inability to enforce our immigration law is an existential threat, like terrorism: “Either we have a country or we don’t,” he says. When it comes to such threats, Trump’s tough-guy posturing encompasses all sorts of things: leaning on private companies and using the law to penalize them if they will not toe his line on immigration, violating the rights of U.S. citizens, and, famously, his pledging to treat the families of terrorism suspects like terrorists themselves, to be “very hard on the families.” Trump has publicly stated that — his words here — “a young and beautiful piece of ass” is a shield against all criticism. But the third/current Mrs. Trump is literally the poster girl for a modeling agency that is credibly accused of systematically abusing the very immigration laws whose robust enforcement is the purported raison d’être of his presidential campaign. If immigration abuse is an existential threat and getting tough on the families is our new national ethos, there’s only one conclusion.

Deport Melania Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2016, 09:25:58 AM

Is that national review "fuck the white trash" article still behind a paywall? I want to read the whole thing at some point.

edit: Nope, it's out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 09:55:06 AM

Here's a link: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump?target=author&tid=903320

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Milo Yiannopoulos of Breitbart London has done more to put homosexual camp in the service of right-wing authoritarianism than any man has since the fellows at Hugo Boss sewed all those nifty SS uniforms. He refers to Trump — this will not surprise you — as “Daddy,” capital-D.

And his newest: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432941/donald-trump-populist-demagogue-john-adams-anticipated

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As difficult as it is to imagine Donald Trump taking the presidential oath of office, it is much more difficult to imagine him taking it seriously, or indeed to imagine that there exists anything that is to him a “sacred obligation.” The federal character of the United States, and the fractured nature of the federal government — its three coequal branches and its further subdivided bicameral legislature — are designed to frustrate “We the People” when the people fall into dangerous and violent error of the sort with which they are now flirting. Yes, there are people in power maneuvering to frustrate the will of “We the People” on a dozen different things, ranging from economic and national-defense policy to the specific matter of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign. That is prudence and patriotism, and the constitutional architecture of these United States is designed to prevent democratic passion from prevailing. Have your talk-radio temper tantrum. Have your riots. Our form of government, even in its current distorted state, was designed to handle and absorb your passions. You may dream of a dictator, but you will not have one.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dennis on March 18, 2016, 10:05:07 AM

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o6gaSwGsD99AK29wc/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dennis on March 18, 2016, 10:10:38 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 09:55:06 AM

Here's a link: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump?target=author&tid=903320

From the comments:

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The white working class fixed my car and fought my wars, but f*ck 'em, they don't accept my nihilistic libertarianism.

No lies detected.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 18, 2016, 10:11:48 AM

Quote from: Dennis on March 18, 2016, 10:05:07 AM

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o6gaSwGsD99AK29wc/giphy.gif)

She looks more manly that he does.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 18, 2016, 12:29:32 PM

Quote from: Dennis on March 18, 2016, 10:10:38 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 09:55:06 AM

Here's a link: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/432876/donald-trump-white-working-class-dysfunction-real-opportunity-needed-not-trump?target=author&tid=903320

From the comments:

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The white working class fixed my car and fought my wars, but f*ck 'em, they don't accept my nihilistic libertarianism.

No lies detected.

the white working class has no specific claim to either of those duties  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 18, 2016, 01:19:22 PM

That piece on Kemp boils me. He was the Jon Huntsman of his time and every media conservative did all they could to box him out in favor of Bob Dole.  Now this asshole is trying to hold Kemp up as some paragon of conservative leadership and has a direct lineage with GWB and Rubio. GTFO


From the comments:

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Kemp is a great example of why this generation of conservatism is such an abject failure.

Kemp was HUD Secretary. He advocated selling public housing to tenants for pennies on the dollar. He advocated for Section 8. He advocated for private - public partnerships in affordable housing development widely used today in places like New York City.

And today's conservatives call all this "socialism."

Rekt

The sad part is this is only one of a hundred examples like this and no modern conservative admits to it or will even entertain the argument.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2016, 02:16:33 PM

Did Jack Kemp ever publicly dismiss the size of his opponent's penis?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 18, 2016, 02:31:36 PM

7 years later, it's hard to say if just blindly, nihilistically opposing anything Obama ever proposed and acting like government doesn't need to exist has paid off for the country, so maybe Republicans should keep at it for 4-8 years of President Hillary just to be sure

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 18, 2016, 03:56:23 PM

Maybe we underestimated just how powerful Biden's words are. The founding father's never saw this coming.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: doctavius bonbon on March 18, 2016, 08:04:50 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/03/chris-matthews-suggests-hillary-clinton

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 09:45:48 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 18, 2016, 01:19:22 PM

That piece on Kemp boils me. He was the Jon Huntsman of his time and every media conservative did all they could to box him out in favor of Bob Dole.  Now this asshole is trying to hold Kemp up as some paragon of conservative leadership and has a direct lineage with GWB and Rubio. GTFO

You're ignoring the most important core ideal of Kempism that they share, they were optimistic! Also, tax cuts. But mainly, optimism!

Since you mentioned Dole/Kemp: http://www.dolekemp96.org/main.htm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 18, 2016, 10:19:15 PM

Rubio would lambast Kemp as a big government, corporate welfare republican. Gotta say I'm impressed by Rubio's ability to do nothing and yet inspire people on every side of the right to declare him a winner. His shelf must be full of participation trophies by now. I wonder which Great Republican Leader he'll be compared to next.

This shit reminds me of New York rap fans who are always trying to convince themselves that some sub par punchline rapper is the next Nas/Jay-Z.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2016, 10:38:48 PM

Rubio's pick for 2015 Book of the Year:

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Marco Rubio on Jack Kemp

In December 2012, I gave an address in Washington at the annual Jack Kemp Foundation dinner about what I believe conservatism should represent in the 21st century: ideas, optimism and opportunity for every American. The venue for my speech was far from incidental. I’ve always been fascinated and inspired by the life of Jack Kemp. He was a pro-football quarterback, a nine-term congressman, a major influence on the Reagan Revolution, a housing secretary under President George H.W. Bush and a vice-presidential candidate. Most important, he was an idea man. He believed that the conservative movement was more than just a crystallization of the wisdom of our ancestors; he believed it was a creative force that could renew itself over and over again through the power of ideas and in doing so could renew the promise of America for each generation. In “Jack Kemp: The Bleeding-Heart Conservative Who Changed America,” Morton Kondracke and Fred Barnes trace the extraordinary achievements of this conservative visionary, and they remind us of the great potential—and the great responsibility—of the modern conservative movement to inspire, uplift and restore opportunity to all.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 18, 2016, 11:19:07 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 18, 2016, 02:41:03 PM

I'd probably pay any amount of money to get an octagon match with this fuck:

After a 20 second look at his twitter profile pic, mhy $20 goes to him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2016, 12:44:31 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/18/usa_todays_paul_singer_contested_convention_may_result_in_street_clash_between_black_lives_matter_and_trump_protestors.html

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"Imagine for the Democrats watching this, imagine there is a challenge to Donald Trump and then you have the Trump voters in the streets around the convention kicking up dust, and then you have the Black Lives Matter, who you know will be in Cleveland, because they're there any way, kicking up dust."

"You have this clash in the streets," Singer said.

Host Chris Matthews was perplexed by the situation Singer predicted.

"You are an imaginative guy. I never thought about that," a baffled Matthews said.

"It's going to be like the Seattle trade protests all again with the anarchists coming in. It's going to be insane," Jay Newton Small of TIME chimed in.

:doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

~50 seconds "it's like the X-Men against each other"

paul singer stealth promoting brian singer's new movie :omg

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 19, 2016, 12:50:53 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 19, 2016, 12:44:31 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/03/18/usa_todays_paul_singer_contested_convention_may_result_in_street_clash_between_black_lives_matter_and_trump_protestors.html

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"Imagine for the Democrats watching this, imagine there is a challenge to Donald Trump and then you have the Trump voters in the streets around the convention kicking up dust, and then you have the Black Lives Matter, who you know will be in Cleveland, because they're there any way, kicking up dust."

"You have this clash in the streets," Singer said.

Host Chris Matthews was perplexed by the situation Singer predicted.

"You are an imaginative guy. I never thought about that," a baffled Matthews said.

"It's going to be like the Seattle trade protests all again with the anarchists coming in. It's going to be insane," Jay Newton Small of TIME chimed in.

:doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

~50 seconds "it's like the X-Men against each other"

paul singer stealth promoting brian singer's new movie :omg

[close]

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/11/heres-why-paul-singers-endorsement-of-rubio-matters/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 19, 2016, 04:51:41 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 19, 2016, 12:50:53 AM

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2015/11/heres-why-paul-singers-endorsement-of-rubio-matters/

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he listened to an 11th-hour appeal from the Bush campaign for support

Jeb ! staff should maybe have had the same dedication in convincing voters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2016, 11:38:31 AM

New York street performer dressed as Donald Trump lets you punch him for $5, pee on him for $300 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-artist-dressed-trump-lets-punch-5-article-1.2569439)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2016, 11:39:41 AM

A uniter, not a divider:

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Donald J. Trump ✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump
While I have never met @nytdavidbrooks of the NY Times, I consider him one of the dumbest of all pundits- he has no sense of the real world!
12:11 AM - 19 Mar 2016

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Donald J. Trump ✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump
Reading @nytdavidbrooks of the NY Times is a total waste of time, he is a clown with no awareness of the world around him- dummy!
12:25 AM - 19 Mar 2016

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 19, 2016, 11:47:16 AM

Can't wait for Brooks' next article about Obama calling to see if he was ok after the Trump texts.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 19, 2016, 11:50:43 AM

I agree with trump, yikes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 19, 2016, 12:08:12 PM

The only and I mean ONLY fun thing about Trump is his trashing of certain sacred cows. I also love when he goes at Megyn Kelly who deserves a shellacking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on March 19, 2016, 09:44:51 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 19, 2016, 11:38:31 AM

New York street performer dressed as Donald Trump lets you punch him for $5, pee on him for $300 (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-artist-dressed-trump-lets-punch-5-article-1.2569439)

Well, hello there link to give to a performance artist I know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2016, 10:57:18 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273626-the-chaos-scenario-for-democrats

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It’s the scenario that Republicans dream of and Democrats believe is all but impossible: Hillary Clinton being forced to drop out of the presidential race due to criminal charges over her email server.

Any bombshell findings in the FBI’s investigation of Clinton could plunge the Democratic race into chaos.

Bernie Sanders could stand to gain. As the only other candidate in the Democratic race, the party could quickly coalesce around him in an effort to halt the bedlam. But that’s far from a sure thing, with many in the party fearful he would be a weak general election candidate.

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Unlike the Republican Party, which binds most of its delegates to candidates regardless of delegates’ personal preferences, Democratic candidates have input on who represents them on the convention floor.

“There are no Clinton-bound delegates who would prefer voting for Sanders, for example,” delegate expert and University of Georgia professor Josh Putnam, told The Hill.

“Those folks are essentially hand-picked to be loyal. They are unlikely to stray.”

Then there are the superdelegates, the 712 Democratic Party leaders, including members of Congress, who have the freedom to support any candidate at the convention.

The superdelegates are supporting Clinton in droves right now — 95 percent of those who have expressed a preference have chosen Clinton. But they could desert Clinton just as emphatically if her candidacy came to the brink of imploding, some say.

“The superdelegates would flee first because they are politicians,” said one Democratic strategist who has worked on presidential campaigns.

“They are most likely to feel the pressure not to cast their ballots in favor of a nominee under indictment.”

If enough pledged Clinton delegates and superdelegates went to Sanders and delivered him 2,383 delegates, he would win the nomination.

But delegates could also coalesce around a new candidate not in the race. One likely fallback would be Vice President Biden, who came very close to running for president last year.

But denying Sanders the nomination could come with a heavy price, potentially alienating the millions of Democrats who cast ballots for him in the primary process.

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“Most of these other politicians and political leaders in the community, they don’t really know Bernie Sanders because he’s never been a national Democrat,” the Democratic strategist said.

“They know Joe [Biden], they know John Kerry. It’s completely conceivable that they would turn from somebody they know and respect — Hillary — to somebody else they know and respect and bypass Sanders.”

So if the Democratic race ends up with its own contested convention, all bets are off on how it would conclude, since the final decision ultimately rests on the whims of the 4,765 delegates.

“It would be a s--tshow of the first order,” the Democratic strategist said.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/makrD8LE59iJa/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 19, 2016, 11:05:36 PM

http://i.imgur.com/z3Nn3hy.jpg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2016, 11:08:47 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 19, 2016, 11:05:36 PM

http://i.imgur.com/z3Nn3hy.jpg

My favorite version of that:
(http://i.imgur.com/QxsPpQU.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2016, 06:51:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yxv7rEnf-a0

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2016, 11:25:53 AM

https://www.change.org/p/fec-open-an-investigation-into-hillary-clinton-for-electronic-voter-fraud

Finally, somebody is doing something about this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2016, 12:55:28 PM

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160318172314-09-week-in-politics-0319-super-169.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 20, 2016, 04:10:15 PM

Is that recent? I thought he disavowed that artist when it came out he was a white supremicist

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: helios on March 20, 2016, 07:30:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWlUgI4cB4M

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 20, 2016, 11:51:47 PM

Quote from: helios on March 20, 2016, 07:30:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWlUgI4cB4M

When even your blind supporters wish you'd toned it down. I feel like the GE is going to be a landslide now even if the GOP makes him the nominee.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: curly on March 21, 2016, 06:16:43 AM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on March 20, 2016, 04:10:15 PM

I thought he disavowed that artist when it came out he was a white supremicist

It's alarming how many times I've heard variations of this phrase this election cycle

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on March 21, 2016, 11:48:42 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 19, 2016, 11:05:36 PM

http://i.imgur.com/z3Nn3hy.jpg

MakingUpAUsernameIsTerrifying 498 points : 3 replies : 2 days ago reply
"Oh God, Bill." "Not the first time I've heard that. Weird it isn't screamed, though."

TheeHofer 12 points : 2 days ago reply
"And that's when I said, 'she's great on the piano, but sucks on the organ'."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 21, 2016, 03:54:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/yCg4G3z.jpg?1)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: james on March 21, 2016, 04:25:36 PM

It has begun.

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Results from the Democrats Abroad primary show the Vermont senator cruising to a big win over Hillary Clinton among ex-pats, taking 69 percent of the vote to her 31. Nearly 35,000 Americans overseas cast ballots, a 50 percent increase over the 2008 total.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/03/democrats-abroad-bernie-sanders/474642/

These are the margins that Hillarybots have said would be impossible to reach.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 21, 2016, 04:42:30 PM

Here's one for the anger addicts;

(http://i.imgur.com/UIY4OrR.jpg)
 :ussrcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 21, 2016, 06:28:40 PM

Donated a buck to Hillary last Thursday, let's go gurl.  :clap

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2016, 06:53:56 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeGvP41W0AIfwau.jpg)
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2016/03/21/a-transcript-of-donald-trumps-meeting-with-the-washington-post-editorial-board/?postshare=9101458598184502&tid=ss_tw

Ladies and gentlemen, the republican nominee for president of the United States.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Sausage on March 21, 2016, 06:55:34 PM

Donald Trump is by far the most reasonable candidate on Israel-Palestine. What a world.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 21, 2016, 07:26:53 PM

Quote

I’m not a bad person. I’m just doing my thing – I’m, you know, running

 :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2016, 09:13:44 PM

One of Trump's foreign policy advisers:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeGpLLjW4AAqa2v.jpg)

 :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 21, 2016, 11:03:47 PM

Who better to rid us of foreign entanglements than our man in the U.N.

 :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 21, 2016, 11:18:11 PM

Guys. Guys, we're gonna be ok.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/273727-poll-over-half-want-to-punch-trumps-face

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Sausage on March 22, 2016, 12:56:24 AM

(https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t34.0-12/12324989_768959176582313_186136814_n.jpg?oh=40b846a48fde85a18d6b95c4418479b2&oe=56F3AC99)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2016, 12:58:34 AM

Id vote for it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 02:15:26 AM

Got sent these facts:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeH27PAVIAARdfd.jpg:large)

Vote Trump 2016!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 02:44:45 AM

Love the last two cells for Hillary  :lol

Isn't legalizing marijuana the same as authorizing medical cannabis ? Unless that means having cannabis taken charge of by medical insurances ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 03:02:27 AM

No, it's a lower level of decriminalization. You can get marijuana but only for valid medical reasons and you have to have a license and so on.

In reality, most idiots can find a doctor to sign off on it, or get the license to be a grower, etc. (My cousins and uncle managed all this. And they continue to live in Flint.) So it becomes a sort of de facto decriminalization.

One of the things Washington and Colorado had were the medipot people fighting against the larger decriminalization because it would hurt their bottom line.

Also, Opposes War on Drugs and Decriminalize Drugs is listed on there as two seperate entries too. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 22, 2016, 03:21:08 AM

Lol I really hope that's some GOPer trolling /r/S4P or something.

Pretty sure the following (at the very, very least) are bald-facedly wrong for Hillary:

Expand Social Security (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/social-security-and-medicare/)

Quote

- Fight any effort to privatize or weaken Medicare and Social Security, and expand Social Security for future generations by asking the wealthiest to contribute more.

- Expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly by the current system—including women who are widows and those who took significant time out of the paid workforce to take care of their children, aging parents, or ailing family members. Social Security works well, but it should work better. Hillary will fight to expand Social Security for those who need it most and who are treated unfairly today.

Raise Taxes on the Wealthy (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/plan-raise-american-incomes/)

Quote

Reform our tax code so the wealthiest pay their fair share. Hillary supports ending the “carried interest” loophole, enacting the “Buffett Rule” that ensures no millionaire pays a lower effective tax rate than their secretary, and closing tax loopholes and expenditures that benefit the wealthiest taxpayers to pay for her plan to make college affordable and refinance student debt.

(http://i.imgur.com/bAMp0Q4l.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/K6XLLbPl.png)


Student Loan Reform (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/)

Quote

- Ensure no student has to borrow to pay for tuition, books, or fees to attend a four-year public college in their state.

- Enable Americans with existing student loan debt to refinance at current rates.

- Hold colleges and universities accountable for controlling costs and making tuition affordable.

Switch to Renewable Energy (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/climate/)

Quote

- Set national goals to have 500 million solar panels installed; generate enough renewable energy to power every home in America; cut energy waste in homes, schools, and hospitals by a third; and reduce American oil consumption by a third.

- Lead the world in the fight against climate change by bringing greenhouse gas emissions to 30 percent below what they were in 2005 within the next decade—and keep going.

Tax Wall Street Speculation (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/)

Quote

- Impose a risk fee on the largest financial institutions. Banks and financial companies would be required to pay a fee based on their size and their risk of contributing to another financial crisis.

- Impose a tax on high-frequency trading. The growth of high-frequency trading has unnecessarily placed stress on our markets, created instability, and enabled unfair and abusive trading strategies. Hillary would impose a tax on harmful high-frequency trading and reform rules to make our stock markets fairer, more open, and transparent.

Opposes the War on Drugs (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/addiction/)

Quote

- Criminal justice reform. Her plan will prioritize rehabilitation and treatment over prison for low-level and nonviolent drug offenses, and work to end the era of mass incarceration. Additionally, it focuses on fostering more collaboration and coordination between public health and criminal justice to ensure continuity of care for those who suffer from substance use disorders.

Reform Wall Street (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/wall-street/)

Quote

- Close the Volcker Rule’s hedge fund loophole. The Volcker Rule prohibits banks from making risky trading bets with taxpayer-backed money—one of the core protections of the post-financial crisis Wall Street reforms. However, under current law these banks can still invest billions through hedge funds, which are exempt from this rule. Hillary would close that loophole and strengthen the law.

- Discourage excessive risk-taking by making senior bankers accountable. Senior managers should lose some or all of their bonus compensation when a large bank suffers losses that threaten its overall financial health.

- Make sure no firm is ever too big and too risky to be managed effectively. Hillary’s plan would give regulators more authority to force overly complex or risky firms to reorganize, downsize, or break apart.

- Tackle financial dangers of the “shadow banking” system. Hillary’s plan will enhance transparency and reduce volatility in the “shadow banking system,” which includes certain activities of hedge funds, investment banks, and other non-bank financial companies.

- Prosecuting individuals when they break the law. Hillary would extend the statute of limitations for prosecuting major financial frauds, enhance whistleblower rewards, and provide the Department of Justice and the Securities and Exchange Commission more resources to prosecute wrongdoing.

- Holding executives accountable when they are responsible for their subordinates’ misconduct. Hillary believes that when corporations pay large fines to the government for violating the law, those fines should cut into the bonuses of the executives who were responsible for or should have caught the problem. And when egregious misconduct happens on an executive’s watch, that executive should lose his or her job.

- Holding corporations accountable when they break the law. As she enhances individual accountability, Hillary will make sure that corporations don’t treat penalties for breaking the law as merely a cost of doing business, so that we can put an end to the patterns of corporate wrongdoing that we see too often today.

Like, it isn't difficult to look this stuff up. But hey it's from her own site and everything she says is a lie so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ #WhichHillary #WitchHillary

Where's the box for "Opposes Gun Control" because that'd be an accurate "Yes" for Bernie.




That's right sluts, you got a Hillary shill on the board now. Time to rise up and end the patriarchy!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/11oRLY4FRk2s36/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:43:17 AM

Quote

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  39m39 minutes ago
Do you all remember how beautiful and safe a place Brussels wss. Not anymore, it is from a different world! U.S. must be vigilant and smart!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeJcVOkWAAAoj-R.jpg)

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2016, 07:44:55 AM

At least he used the correct spelling of Brussel.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:53:37 AM

There's a decent number of "Europe needs you!" type responses. So that's fun.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 22, 2016, 08:01:25 AM

Uuuh like Europeans wanting Trump?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 09:36:22 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on March 22, 2016, 08:01:25 AM

Uuuh like Europeans wanting Trump?

We'll make you a very good deal for him. Can we just get a six pack of something?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 22, 2016, 10:34:21 AM

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/712086034834694144


 :kobeyuck

tastes like desperation

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 22, 2016, 10:36:11 AM

Can we talk about Clinton positioning herself to the right of Trump on Israel?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| &quot;I only know what's on the internet.&quot;
Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 10:41:07 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 09:36:22 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on March 22, 2016, 08:01:25 AM

Uuuh like Europeans wanting Trump?

We'll make you a very good deal for him. Can we just get a six pack of something?

Sure, take six of our Le Pen or Wilders for your Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| &quot;I only know what's on the internet.&quot;
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 10:52:04 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 10:41:07 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 09:36:22 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on March 22, 2016, 08:01:25 AM

Uuuh like Europeans wanting Trump?

We'll make you a very good deal for him. Can we just get a six pack of something?

Sure, take six of our Le Pen or Wilders for your Trump.

They can't legally run for President over here so...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 10:54:36 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 22, 2016, 10:36:11 AM

Can we talk about Clinton positioning herself to the right of Trump on Israel?

I have been assured that she's only saying that because of the election and that everyone else does it too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2016, 11:35:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:53:37 AM

There's a decent number of "Europe needs you!" type responses. So that's fun.

I did my part and reported two brown men and a menacing looking boy to homeland security today.  How did you help the homefront today?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2016, 11:36:09 AM

Sorry brown men sounds racist.  I meant two Trojan horses and a thug. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: tiesto on March 22, 2016, 12:03:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:43:17 AM

Quote

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump  39m39 minutes ago
Do you all remember how beautiful and safe a place Brussels wss. Not anymore, it is from a different world! U.S. must be vigilant and smart!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeJcVOkWAAAoj-R.jpg)

[close]

Looks like a horror out of SMT...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 12:24:43 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 11:35:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:53:37 AM

There's a decent number of "Europe needs you!" type responses. So that's fun.

I did my part and reported two brown men and a menacing looking boy to homeland security today.  How did you help the homefront today?

You reported two brown men and a boy in Toronto to U.S. Homeland Security?   ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 12:41:57 PM

What better way to get them droned?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 22, 2016, 12:43:49 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 12:24:43 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 11:35:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:53:37 AM

There's a decent number of "Europe needs you!" type responses. So that's fun.

I did my part and reported two brown men and a menacing looking boy to homeland security today.  How did you help the homefront today?

You reported two brown men and a boy in Toronto to U.S. Homeland Security?   ???

:confused    And   :dunno

He doesn't get out much.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 01:10:19 PM

America's Mayor with a yuuuge endorsement, sorta, maybe, kinda:

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“The way I look at it, there really are only three people who will be the next president of the United States. One’s Hillary Clinton, the other’s Donald Trump, and the third is Ted Cruz,” he said at a Monday night event hosted by the Columbia University College Republicans on campus.

“So I’ll choose between those three," he said. "I’ll give you a hint: it won’t be Hillary Clinton. I seriously doubt it will be Ted Cruz. But I just want to think about it a little bit more before I do anything formally."

"I think that you gotta pick," he said. "This is the hand you’re dealt, and you’ve gotta work with it. You’ve gotta pick one of those three."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2016, 01:22:02 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 12:24:43 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 11:35:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:53:37 AM

There's a decent number of "Europe needs you!" type responses. So that's fun.

I did my part and reported two brown men and a menacing looking boy to homeland security today.  How did you help the homefront today?

You reported two brown men and a boy in Toronto to U.S. Homeland Security?   ???

They were getting too close.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 01:25:23 PM

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/at-the-flick-of-a-switch/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 22, 2016, 01:29:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 01:25:23 PM

https://judiciary.house.gov/press-release/at-the-flick-of-a-switch/

...

 :idont :cac

Also, not that anyone is unaware of this, your election cycle is way too long.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2016, 01:42:07 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 12:24:43 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 11:35:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 22, 2016, 07:53:37 AM

There's a decent number of "Europe needs you!" type responses. So that's fun.

I did my part and reported two brown men and a menacing looking boy to homeland security today.  How did you help the homefront today?

You reported two brown men and a boy in Toronto to U.S. Homeland Security?   ???

I like to pretend I'm American on the internet!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 22, 2016, 05:01:25 PM

https://harpers.org/archive/2016/04/legalize-it-all/

http://jezebel.com/nixons-policy-advisor-admits-he-invented-war-on-drugs-t-1766359595

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“The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

Is there any reason for the original article's site to be down?  :hans1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2016, 05:25:05 PM

I want to get Kara's take on whether Obama "may be the worst thing to ever happen to Israel." I would have thought Nebuchadnezzar and Emperor Titus would be higher on the list, but I'm not of the Tribe.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2016, 08:08:06 PM

Quote

As the National Review editor Rich Lowry puts it: “The whole thing about being the country’s healer and giving people hugs is off-putting to conservatives who take ideas really seriously. And it’s also counter to the image he has back in Washington — which is why people who are in the know roll their eyes whenever they see Kasich’s act.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/21/magazine/why-the-republican-establishment-doesnt-like-john-kasich.html?_r=0

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 22, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

I witnessed a black lives matter protest today.  Legally I think I can vote for Trump now. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 22, 2016, 09:46:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

I witnessed a black lives matter protest today.  Legally I think I can vote for Trump now.

Legally I can buttfuck your broke body too....just saying

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 22, 2016, 09:58:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 22, 2016, 09:46:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

I witnessed a black lives matter protest today.  Legally I think I can vote for Trump now.

Legally I can buttfuck your broke body too....just saying

But are you legally compelled to? :drool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 22, 2016, 10:56:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 22, 2016, 09:46:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

I witnessed a black lives matter protest today.  Legally I think I can vote for Trump now.

Legally I can buttfuck your broke body too....just saying

and that's aia so when he says 'broke body' you know he means it both physically and economically

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 22, 2016, 11:28:56 PM

The Queen slaying that crusty old guy in Arizona (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/d-chen/dota2-chat-emoticons/master/assets/images/charm_smile.gif)

>25% win, called by AP after less than 2% of votes counted (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/c3ed7b23.gif~original)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 11:38:42 PM

Trump wins another WTA state, bagging 58 more delegates. Now at 739 out of the 1,237 he needs to outright win the nomination. #datfuckery #sorryaianotsorry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2016, 01:03:44 AM

20% of Republicans in Arizona voted for Rubio, Carson or Jeb.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: OnlyRegret on March 23, 2016, 01:07:26 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 22, 2016, 08:08:06 PM

Quote

As the National Review editor Rich Lowry puts it: “The whole thing about being the country’s healer and giving people hugs is off-putting to conservatives who take ideas really seriously. And it’s also counter to the image he has back in Washington — which is why people who are in the know roll their eyes whenever they see Kasich’s act.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/21/magazine/why-the-republican-establishment-doesnt-like-john-kasich.html?_r=0

 :doge

Quote

State Republicans have not forgotten how, in 2013, he lectured the Ohio House speaker Bill Batchelder — a Republican legislator who had served over three decades in the House — about his moral duty to support Kasich’s Medicaid expansion plan: “When you die and get to the meeting with St. Peter, he’s probably not going to ask you much about what you did about keeping government small. But he is going to ask you what you did for the poor. Better have a good answer.”

I like that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2016, 02:35:25 AM

Cruz is getting 71% of the vote in Utah.

Bernie got 78% in Idaho and is at 74% in Utah. He'll come out of tonight with more delegates than Hillary. ITSHAPPENING.GIF

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 23, 2016, 02:38:48 AM

also, Ohai-o took the government money because they had an impossible budget deficit to balance and no way could they afford high earner tax cuts and rejecting the ACA in total.

Honestly, I'm surprised that even still to this point more red states haven't just broken down and taken at least the medicaid expansion, the dominos are falling way more slowly then I would have thought.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2016, 05:35:24 AM

Quote

POLITICO has learned that in a surprise announcement, Jeb Bush will endorse Ted Cruz on Wednesday as an antidote to the "divisiveness and vulgarity" of Donald Trump, providing a badly needed boost to the Texas senator - but it's one that comes dangerously late in a game that Trump is dominating.

The endorsement comes 32 days after a beaten Bush dropped out of the GOP presidential race, and eight days since Sen. Marco Rubio abandoned his own quest after being rebuffed by Bush, his fellow Floridian and one-time mentor.

Bush says in a forthcoming statement: "Today, I am endorsing Ted Cruz for President ... Washington is broken, and the only way Republicans can hope to win back the White House and put our nation on a better path is to support a nominee who can articulate how conservative policies will help people rise up and reach their full potential."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on March 23, 2016, 05:38:33 AM

Jeb Bush endorsement is a death kiss

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 07:22:29 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 11:38:42 PM

Trump wins another WTA state, bagging 58 more delegates. Now at 739 out of the 1,237 he needs to outright win the nomination. #datfuckery #sorryaianotsorry

You're just mad because I was right and you were wrong. As usual instead of just saying "Damn Trump sucks" you are trying to personalize it.  That's cute.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2016, 08:42:27 AM

Quote

Ted Cruz is suggesting he'd find a place for Republican rival John Kasich in his future administration if Kasich agrees to drop out of the presidential race and supports him.

Cruz noted that it's mathematically impossible for Kasich to reach the 1,237 delegates needed to secure the GOP nomination. So the only role Kasich is playing now is that of a "spoiler" by taking votes that could have gone to Cruz. And that is only serving to help front-runner Donald Trump, Cruz says.
 
In an interview Wednesday on CNN's "New Day," Cruz said of Kasich: "I think he'd be a tremendous addition to an administration."

Quote

Nearly half of the supporters of Ohio Gov. John Kasich would vote for Donald Trump, not Ted Cruz, as their second choice, according to the results of a Quinnipiac University national poll released Wednesday. And more than half of Cruz's backers suggested they would do the same with their man out of the race.

Asked whom they would like to win the GOP nomination, 43 percent of the 652 Republicans surveyed said they wanted Trump to emerge as the party's choice in Cleveland, followed by 29 percent for Cruz and just 16 percent for Kasich, with 9 percent undecided.

In a head-to-head matchup between Trump and Cruz among supporters of Kasich, the Manhattan real-estate mogul earned 46 percent support, compared to 37 percent for Cruz and 12 percent undecided. While the Texas senator drew slim advantages among tea party supporters, white, born-again evangelicals and those describing themselves as very conservative, Trump drew far greater support from Kasich supporters who described themselves as somewhat conservative, moderate or liberal, as well as among men, women and those 45 years and older.

In the event Cruz is the odd man out, 56 percent said they would vote for Trump, with just 25 percent opting for Kasich and 13 percent undecided. More than seven-in-10 (71 percent) of Cruz's tea party supporters said they would vote for Trump over the Ohio governor, along with strong majorities in every demographic and ideological group, including those describing themselves as moderate or liberal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 23, 2016, 09:16:16 AM

Despite the huster and bluster of making Hillary "nonviable," her win in Arizona basically wiped out Sanders gains last night. Despite taking two states he only netted 6 more delegates, bringing Hillary's regular delegate lead down to "only" 313.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 23, 2016, 09:25:11 AM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/03/sanders-campaign-manager-wrong-numbers-221135

Quote

“I’m not predicting victory, but I’m not predicting defeat, either," Weaver told CNN in an interview following Sanders' San Diego address to supporters. "I mean, we have to wait and see ‘til the votes are counted."

"There’s obviously something wrong with the numbers, and I think once we see where they come down, it may end up being a split of delegates basically in Arizona," he said. "I do think in other places tonight, we’re hearing some very good news.”

Asked what went wrong in Arizona, Weaver responded, “Well it’s not about what went wrong. It’s early in the night still."

Weaver referred to CNN's projection that 71 percent of the vote has been counted but called the overall votes that have been reported "really an underestimation of the number of people who were voting there."

"We’ve seen lines in Arizona for five hours long literally," he said. "So based on CNN’s calculations and what we know about how many people early-voted, that would mean only 100,000 people came out and live-voted, Democrats in Arizona. I think that that’s just wrong. So I think this race is gonna to close up substantially between now and the morning.”

(http://i.imgur.com/JWBzuXy.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/LZxYPpI.jpg)





Also there's no less than 3 articles on /r/S4P about "massive fraud" in Arizona. :lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4blzpp/arizona_is_a_massive_fraud/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4bl35p/az_voter_fraud_caught_in_pima_county/
https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4blh88/fraud_in_az_i_am_a_long_time_registered_dem_i_was/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 10:05:14 AM

(http://41.media.tumblr.com/c4334cc1b425ebd47a0703b36097d141/tumblr_o3eqvijlzu1tmi2lvo1_1280.jpg?.jpg)

 :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2016, 11:27:22 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 07:22:29 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 11:38:42 PM

Trump wins another WTA state, bagging 58 more delegates. Now at 739 out of the 1,237 he needs to outright win the nomination. #datfuckery #sorryaianotsorry

You're just mad because I was right and you were wrong. As usual instead of just saying "Damn Trump sucks" you are trying to personalize it.  That's cute.

What are you right about that I'm wrong about? That Trump is going to win the general? That's doubtful but impossible to say at this point.

The jab was at your general existence as a Republican that hates Trump but will be saddled with him as your party's nominee, breh. Don't try to make it more complicated than it is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2016, 11:41:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/F5LFdIa.png)

 :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 23, 2016, 12:04:27 PM

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/712640850749177856

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brob on March 23, 2016, 03:48:08 PM

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/712712604276428800

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diu8i5UKTHc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 23, 2016, 03:52:34 PM

The comment making fun of #1 is good but it’s really #2 people should be questioning

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2016, 04:00:05 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on March 23, 2016, 03:52:34 PM

The comment making fun of #1 is good but it’s really #2 people should be questioning

Her credentials as a wife, mom, and grandma makes her able to easily achieve all these goals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| &quot;I only know what's on the internet.&quot;
Post by: VomKriege on March 23, 2016, 04:00:33 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on March 23, 2016, 03:52:34 PM

The comment making fun of #1 is good but it’s really #2 people should be questioning

Hey how hard can it be ?

Said someone in 2001.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

Michele Bachmann is "just askin" whether God didn't bomb Brussels in order to personally punk Obama.

Quote

Or maybe our president’s humiliation comes in a manner so devastating it makes one wonder whether the Creator of humankind isn’t reminding this world of the inferiority of foolishness in the face of wisdom.

The president once again mocked his nemesis, the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, by cleverly turning the international press corps toward his brilliant work in Cuba, instead of covering ongoing Islamic attacks against the Jewish state as outlined that very same day at the annual pro-Israel AIPAC meeting in Washington, D.C.

History changed less than 24 hours later in the blink of an eye, and the rug was pulled out from under his well-laid plans.

Obama’s slavish press corps was forced to turn their uncritical gaze from adoring him to revealing the newest carnage in Brussels.

Our eyes were spellbound.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-enjoys-cuba-while-civilization-burns/#UJJUA3GBuXzVhx7q.99

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Boogie on March 23, 2016, 08:16:44 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 23, 2016, 11:27:22 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 23, 2016, 07:22:29 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 22, 2016, 11:38:42 PM

Trump wins another WTA state, bagging 58 more delegates. Now at 739 out of the 1,237 he needs to outright win the nomination. #datfuckery #sorryaianotsorry

You're just mad because I was right and you were wrong. As usual instead of just saying "Damn Trump sucks" you are trying to personalize it.  That's cute.

What are you right about that I'm wrong about? That Trump is going to win the general? That's doubtful but impossible to say at this point.

The jab was at your general existence as a Republican that hates Trump but will be saddled with him as your party's nominee, breh. Don't try to make it more complicated than it is.

Most days, I don't think that AiA can tell any of us apart (well, maybe PD).   In spite of having 7000 posts here, we're all just one big, jumbled amalgamation to him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2016, 08:27:49 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

Michele Bachmann is "just askin" whether God didn't bomb Brussels in order to personally punk Obama.

Quote

Or maybe our president’s humiliation comes in a manner so devastating it makes one wonder whether the Creator of humankind isn’t reminding this world of the inferiority of foolishness in the face of wisdom.

The president once again mocked his nemesis, the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, by cleverly turning the international press corps toward his brilliant work in Cuba, instead of covering ongoing Islamic attacks against the Jewish state as outlined that very same day at the annual pro-Israel AIPAC meeting in Washington, D.C.

History changed less than 24 hours later in the blink of an eye, and the rug was pulled out from under his well-laid plans.

Obama’s slavish press corps was forced to turn their uncritical gaze from adoring him to revealing the newest carnage in Brussels.

Our eyes were spellbound.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-enjoys-cuba-while-civilization-burns/#UJJUA3GBuXzVhx7q.99

(http://imgur.com/TU638H0.jpg)

For her it was a Tuesday

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Trent Dole on March 23, 2016, 11:07:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqeVjopXLWI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 01:02:57 AM

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Oblivion on March 24, 2016, 02:26:16 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

Michele Bachmann is "just askin" whether God didn't bomb Brussels in order to personally punk Obama.

Quote

Or maybe our president’s humiliation comes in a manner so devastating it makes one wonder whether the Creator of humankind isn’t reminding this world of the inferiority of foolishness in the face of wisdom.

The president once again mocked his nemesis, the Jewish people and the nation of Israel, by cleverly turning the international press corps toward his brilliant work in Cuba, instead of covering ongoing Islamic attacks against the Jewish state as outlined that very same day at the annual pro-Israel AIPAC meeting in Washington, D.C.

History changed less than 24 hours later in the blink of an eye, and the rug was pulled out from under his well-laid plans.

Obama’s slavish press corps was forced to turn their uncritical gaze from adoring him to revealing the newest carnage in Brussels.

Our eyes were spellbound.

http://www.wnd.com/2016/03/obama-enjoys-cuba-while-civilization-burns/#UJJUA3GBuXzVhx7q.99

Obama's hatred of Israel led Islamic terrorists to successfully launch an attack in Belgium?  :huh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| &quot;I only know what's on the internet.&quot;
Post by: VomKriege on March 24, 2016, 02:49:47 AM

...because Israël, yes. God may also not suffer pinkos in his TVs. Michelle would know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 02:51:31 AM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on March 24, 2016, 01:10:50 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 01:02:57 AM

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

A law to prevent the "PC Police"?  :lol

Text of the bill is here (http://www.ncleg.net/Sessions/2015E2/Bills/House/HTML/H2v0.html).  It's amending some previous law, so...

Previous law = normal text
Language being removed = strikethrough
Language being added = underlined

Basically they're defining gender as biological-at-birth gender and applying that to restrooms and changing areas, and inserting the idea of biological gender into existing equal opportunity law.  The impetus is Charlotte passing a trans-friendly bathroom statute recently, I think.

The bill prevents any county or municipal governments from passing any sort of anti-discrimination or equal opportunity laws regarding employment or public accommodations.  It also inserts language saying that the law (which says the policy of the state is to prevent discrimination in those areas) gives no basis for anyone to sue in cases of discrimination.  Existing law calls for an agency which "shall use its good offices to effect an amicable resolution of the charges of discrimination" so I'm not sure where there's any kind of actual enforcement built into the law.

Oh, as a bonus measure it also prevents local governments from passing their own minimum wage laws.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 24, 2016, 05:48:39 AM

Hillary-stans loved very much the Stanford speech on foreign policy and terrorism, but really all Clinton is saying is that we'll continue to do what we do now, except it will work this time / pay off.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 07:07:34 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 01:02:57 AM

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

I mean at some point somebody has to put a stop to this shit.

It's okay if you're gay
It's okay if you're transgendered
It's okay to expect full rights as a citizen

It's NOT okay to put it in my face every 24 minutes. Or to flatly accuse all of us "breeders" of being the most evil thing on the planet. Or sue everything that moves for failing to comply to your standard.

Enough is enough, welcome citizens, you have the same right to be offended that I do.


I literally had a gay person tell me last week "You don't know my struggle"

Are you fucking serious?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: headwalk on March 24, 2016, 07:16:19 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 07:07:34 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 01:02:57 AM

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

I mean at some point somebody has to put a stop to this shit.

It's okay if you're gay
It's okay if you're transgendered
It's okay to expect full rights as a citizen

It's NOT okay to put it in my face every 24 minutes. Or to flatly accuse all of us "breeders" of being the most evil thing on the planet. Or sue everything that moves for failing to comply to your standard.

Enough is enough, welcome citizens, you have the same right to be offended that I do.


I literally had a gay person tell me last week "You don't know my struggle"

Are you fucking serious?

always use a water based lube mate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 07:17:32 AM

Quote from: headwalk on March 24, 2016, 07:16:19 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 07:07:34 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 01:02:57 AM

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

I mean at some point somebody has to put a stop to this shit.

It's okay if you're gay
It's okay if you're transgendered
It's okay to expect full rights as a citizen

It's NOT okay to put it in my face every 24 minutes. Or to flatly accuse all of us "breeders" of being the most evil thing on the planet. Or sue everything that moves for failing to comply to your standard.

Enough is enough, welcome citizens, you have the same right to be offended that I do.


I literally had a gay person tell me last week "You don't know my struggle"

Are you fucking serious?

always use a water based lube mate.

Shit, I have 3 kids. Lube is a luxury at this point.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 08:51:20 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 07:07:34 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 01:02:57 AM

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

I mean at some point somebody has to put a stop to this shit.

It's okay if you're gay
It's okay if you're transgendered
It's okay to expect full rights as a citizen

It's NOT okay to put it in my face every 24 minutes. Or to flatly accuse all of us "breeders" of being the most evil thing on the planet. Or sue everything that moves for failing to comply to your standard.

Enough is enough, welcome citizens, you have the same right to be offended that I do.


I literally had a gay person tell me last week "You don't know my struggle"

Are you fucking serious?

frynotsure.jpg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2016, 08:55:49 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 08:51:20 AM

frynotsure.jpg

Do not engage. You are no match for his anecdotes and appeals to authority.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 10:00:27 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2016, 08:55:49 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 08:51:20 AM

frynotsure.jpg

Do not engage. You are no match for his anecdotes and appeals to authority.

 :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2016, 10:17:42 AM

AIA is tired of gays cramming their gayness down his throat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 10:30:31 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2016, 10:17:42 AM

AIA is tired of gays cramming their gayness down his throat.

No I'm tired of gays telling my black ass that I don't know the struggle.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2016, 10:37:38 AM

In general I don't take offense from stuff like that anymore. Gay people are still being fired and attacked for being gay, hate crimes happen all the time, the potential GOP nominee pals around with a pastor who calls for gays to be killed...I'm not going to get mad because gay people are feeling threatened and stressed right now, nor am I mad when they make comparisons I might not agree with but understand. This isn't the Olympics of Oppression, who got shat on the most doesn't really matter. If I'm getting shat on and a gay guy is getting shat on too that's enough for me to dap him and provide some support - not compare the total amount of shit on my head compared to his.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 10:40:04 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2016, 10:37:38 AM

In general I don't take offense from stuff like that anymore. Gay people are still being fired and attacked for being gay, hate crimes happen all the time, the potential GOP nominee pals around with a pastor who calls for gays to be killed...I'm not going to get mad because gay people are feeling threatened and stressed right now, nor am I mad when they make comparisons I might not agree with but understand. This isn't the Olympics of Oppression, who got shat on the most doesn't really matter. If I'm getting shat on and a gay guy is getting shat on too that's enough for me to dap him and provide some support - not compare the total amount of shit on my head compared to his.

99% of the time you're right. It's that 1% who feel the need to scream in my face about how they live with oppression while making 130k a year and living an opulent lifestyle that is on my nerves today.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2016, 10:45:29 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 22, 2016, 09:46:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

I witnessed a black lives matter protest today.  Legally I think I can vote for Trump now.

Legally I can buttfuck your broke body too....just saying

But will North Carolina protect me from your homo?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 10:52:01 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 24, 2016, 10:45:29 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 22, 2016, 09:46:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

I witnessed a black lives matter protest today.  Legally I think I can vote for Trump now.

Legally I can buttfuck your broke body too....just saying

But will North Carolina protect me from your homo?

He's the least of your worries you pasty bloated bastard  :jawalrus

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:01:08 AM

Quote from: Dufus on March 24, 2016, 10:57:50 AM

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

Meh it's really no different then "feeling the burn" or being a trump supporter is it?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Atramental on March 24, 2016, 11:02:54 AM

Quote from: Dufus on March 24, 2016, 10:57:50 AM

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

These are the same people who jizz themselves over video game consoles and CEOs.

They are modern day boot licking peasants who have no self esteem or self awareness. :smug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 24, 2016, 11:05:08 AM

I find Trump idolization takes more mental gymnastics. I can't remember another leading candidate that has offered so little on policy other than saying, "because I will."

We've all seen how the 'Just trust me' repubs have made out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:06:17 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on March 24, 2016, 11:05:08 AM

I find Trump idolization takes more mental gymnastics. I can't remember another leading candidate that has offered so little on policy other than saying, "because I will."

We've all seen how the 'Just trust me' repubs have made out.

About as well as the "just trust me" democrats.

Unsure why you people think you've had anywhere above marginal presidents in the last 40 years?

Reagan=Clinton (big ass gap) >>>>Obama>>George W Bush>>>>Jimmy Carter >>>>George HW Bush


Outside of maybe Reagan nobody here will be remembered as anything special in 100 years with the exception of Obama breaking the color barrier. His foreign policy is weak and he's allowed several F500's to essentially "move" to Ireland and other locations to avoid their tax obligations. He's probably the most in the pocket of corporate America president since Nixon. Oh and those ISIS domestic attacks are surely doing well for his resume....

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:17:20 AM

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/03/3_reasons_why_the_last_24_hour.html#incart_river_home_pop


RIP any day now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2016, 11:18:22 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 10:52:01 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 24, 2016, 10:45:29 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 22, 2016, 09:46:16 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 22, 2016, 08:13:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on March 22, 2016, 04:51:08 PM

Look, you don't want to mix your civic duty with your Bore leisure time.  I get it.  :goty2

I witnessed a black lives matter protest today.  Legally I think I can vote for Trump now.

Legally I can buttfuck your broke body too....just saying

But will North Carolina protect me from your homo?

He's the least of your worries you pasty bloated bastard  :jawalrus

'He'? are you know confusing yourself with other bore posters?

Look, I don't know your struggles dude, but we are a safe place here to help.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2016, 11:19:21 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 10:40:04 AM

99% of the time you're right. It's that 1% who feel the need to scream in my face about how they live with oppression while making 130k a year and living an opulent lifestyle that is on my nerves today.

Damn all those obnoxious gay strawmen. They're getting out of control!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:22:16 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 24, 2016, 11:19:21 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 10:40:04 AM

99% of the time you're right. It's that 1% who feel the need to scream in my face about how they live with oppression while making 130k a year and living an opulent lifestyle that is on my nerves today.

Damn all those obnoxious gay strawmen. They're getting out of control!

Again, I have nothing against anyone pertaining to their life choices. What right would I have to? But at the same time the work environment isn't a place to throw an "everyone is prejudice" tantrum every goddamn time you are turned down or your decision isn't backed. Its called work....these things happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2016, 11:23:09 AM

This wouldn't be a problem if they kept their gayness in the closet where it belongs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:23:34 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 24, 2016, 11:23:09 AM

This wouldn't be a problem if they kept their gayness in the closet where it belongs.

Nobody brings up his sexual preference but him.

Would you like me to explain to you why I like tits and ass every fucking day? Doubt it.


Edit: To clarify, there are proper ways to channel your frustration in a corporate environment. Screaming "prejudice assholes" in a meeting isn't one of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2016, 11:38:28 AM

So anti-gay "religious freedom" bills are A-OK because your coworker is an asshole. Sounds good bro.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:39:58 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 24, 2016, 11:38:28 AM

So anti-gay "religious freedom" bills are A-OK because your coworker is an asshole. Sounds good bro.

No not at all. Sorry if you thought I was comparing the two. I'm not much of a Church State guy. Actually I'm not much for the cult of Churches at all.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2016, 11:41:52 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:39:58 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 24, 2016, 11:38:28 AM

So anti-gay "religious freedom" bills are A-OK because your coworker is an asshole. Sounds good bro.

No not at all. Sorry if you thought I was comparing the two. I'm not much of a Church State guy. Actually I'm not much for the cult of Churches at all.

OK good. I was confused since this is what you said:

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 07:07:34 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 01:02:57 AM

North Carolina's state legislature is apparently passing an anti-anti-discrimination bill targeted at LGBT folks.

I mean at some point somebody has to put a stop to this shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:48:27 AM

No I meant the North Carolina fuckery. My side caveat was more personal dealings, I can see why it would seem I was backing it in context. My bad.

To clarify

In life: Do what you want, you have as much right to life as anyone else on this planet.

In business: Toe the company line as long as that line isn't aimed at your head.

Make sense?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2016, 12:04:09 PM

That's not a terrible statement on the surface but I don't agree workers should be subservient to corporate whims. For sure, nobody should be going out of their way to advertise their sexuality, but trying to dissuade that always hurts those who are normal about it. Replying to "what are you doing this weekend?" with "I'm going out with my boyfriend" isn't "shoving it down" anyone's throat, but in a "work is only for work" context it could be seen as such.

Codifying rules against the bad apples disproportionately hurts normal LGBT folk who simply don't think it's a big deal.

Let me preemptively say the argument "just get another job if you don't like it" is easier said than done for a lot of folks in many industries, and will only get that much harder if "religious freedom" bills like the ones in North Carolina and Georgia are signed into law. It's unacceptable on every level.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 12:58:25 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 24, 2016, 12:04:09 PM

That's not a terrible statement on the surface but I don't agree workers should be subservient to corporate whims. For sure, nobody should be going out of their way to advertise their sexuality, but trying to dissuade that always hurts those who are normal about it. Replying to "what are you doing this weekend?" with "I'm going out with my boyfriend" isn't "shoving it down" anyone's throat, but in a "work is only for work" context it could be seen as such.

Codifying rules against the bad apples disproportionately hurts normal LGBT folk who simply don't think it's a big deal.

Let me preemptively say the argument "just get another job if you don't like it" is easier said than done for a lot of folks in many industries, and will only get that much harder if "religious freedom" bills like the ones in North Carolina and Georgia are signed into law. It's unacceptable on every level.

I'm going out with my boyfriend is not offensive.

Im going out with my girlfriend is not offensive.

I'm trying to get some dick is offensive

I'm trying to get this girls ass is offensive.


Example: One of our field foreman thought it was smart to send naked pics of one of our admins out that he found on a website (she does that not quite all the way dancing, starts with a B, it's escaping me)....I fired his ass. Can't have it either way.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: tiesto on March 24, 2016, 01:16:07 PM

^ Burlesque. A few friends of mine are into that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 01:24:45 PM

Quote from: tiesto on March 24, 2016, 01:16:07 PM

^ Burlesque. A few friends of mine are into that.

Thanks! It was killing me and I didn't exactly want to go ask her

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2016, 01:56:25 PM

Sorry about jumping straight to snark. My jimmies got rustled when you tied the North Carolina thing to your coworker and implied it was a good thing.

For just how much of a shitshow the NC law is, this is a good article. (http://www.vox.com/2016/2/23/11100552/charlotte-north-carolina-lgbtq-pat-mccrory)

Quote

And on Wednesday, the North Carolina legislature held a special, $42,000-a-day session to pass a sweeping anti-LGBTQ bill that not only repeals Charlotte's ordinance, but bans future local laws that protect LGBTQ people. And on the exact same day, the governor signed the bill into law.

It's a startling piece of legislation — one that Sarah McBride of the Center for American Process called "one of the most extreme, anti-LGBT bills we've seen yet." And North Carolina legislators used a dangerous myth to move forward with the law, regardless of the risks.

Here's what the law does:

The statute overturns and bans local laws that don't conform to the state's nondiscrimination laws for the workplace and public accommodations (hotels, restaurants, and other places that serve the public). Since the state doesn't ban discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity in the workplace or public accommodations, this effectively forces all cities and counties to keep it legal to discriminate against LGBTQ people in these settings.

It prohibits transgender people from using bathrooms or locker rooms in schools and government agencies based solely on their gender identity. Instead, they're forced to use bathrooms and locker rooms based on the gender noted on their birth certificate, which can be changed through an arduous process after gender-affirming surgery but not before then. Public facilities can still build unisex single-person bathrooms to accommodate trans people, but it's not required.

In other words, the law is a mix of two types of anti-LGBTQ measures: laws that ban local nondiscrimination measures for LGBTQ people and an anti-transgender bathroom bill.

Not OK.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2016, 02:04:53 PM

Apparently, NC Dems had to request a bathroom break just to get a few minutes to read the bill. Then the Dems in the Senate all walked out anyway, because it was clear that the Republicans were pushing it through as fast as possible and had no interest in pursuing any debate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 02:07:52 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2016, 02:04:53 PM

Apparently, NC Dems had to request a bathroom break just to get a few minutes to read the bill. Then the Dems in the Senate all walked out anyway, because it was clear that the Republicans were pushing it through as fast as possible and had no interest in pursuing any debate.

My southern "brothers" never cease to disappoint me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 02:15:28 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 24, 2016, 02:14:37 PM

Quote from: Dufus on March 24, 2016, 10:57:50 AM

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

Honestly I think she'll be a great president. She's not the best campaigner though, particularly coming off of Obama.

:beli

She'll be about as effective as bringing a meat tray to a vegan bar.

Let's see who likes Hillary

The Military:   :beli

The Intelligence Services:  :beli

Congress:   :beli

her own party:  :beli

her husband:  :beli

Obama: :beli

The Entire Middle East:  :beli

Putin:  :beli

Big Banking:  :beli

France:  :beli

Israel:  :beli

UK:  :beli

UN:  :beli\


So she's got fucking Canada (not Montreal though, they hate everybody) and her daughter.





Yeah that a rock solid foundation she's got going there. I can see some key leadership mindshare going on here. She makes Trump see like a pretty cool guy by comparison.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 02:24:50 PM

I just realized that :beli   actually looks a like like Hillary, sweet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2016, 02:40:09 PM

nah, beli looks too friendly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2016, 03:12:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 02:15:28 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on March 24, 2016, 02:14:37 PM

Quote from: Dufus on March 24, 2016, 10:57:50 AM

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

Honestly I think she'll be a great president. She's not the best campaigner though, particularly coming off of Obama.

:beli

She'll be about as effective as bringing a meat tray to a vegan bar.

Let's see who likes Hillary

The Military:   :beli

The Intelligence Services:  :beli

Congress:   :beli

her own party:  :beli

her husband:  :beli

Obama: :beli

The Entire Middle East:  :beli

Putin:  :beli

Big Banking:  :beli

France:  :beli

Israel:  :beli

UK:  :beli

UN:  :beli\


So she's got fucking Canada (not Montreal though, they hate everybody) and her daughter.





Yeah that a rock solid foundation she's got going there. I can see some key leadership mindshare going on here. She makes Drumpf see like a pretty cool guy by comparison.

Someone's jimmies are rustled

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2016, 03:33:44 PM

lol @ AiA's view that Obama will only be remembered for being black

lol @ Obamacare ruining small businesses

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2016, 03:37:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2016, 03:33:44 PM

lol @ AiA's view that Obama will only be remembered for being black

lol @ Obamacare ruining small businesses

dude trust him, he knows what he's talking about

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 24, 2016, 03:47:52 PM

He has a friend who runs a business and it was ruined by Obamacare. You can't argue facts.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 03:57:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:06:17 AM

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.02.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.03.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.04.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.05.chart4_d.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 24, 2016, 04:04:13 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 03:57:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:06:17 AM

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.02.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.03.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.04.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.05.chart4_d.gif)

 :leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 04:10:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 03:57:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:06:17 AM

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.02.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.03.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.04.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.05.chart4_d.gif)

Show me the related hiring explosion of decent waged jobs....oh wait you dildos think a subway gig is equal to an electrical engineer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Atramental on March 24, 2016, 04:13:02 PM

"Sandwich Artist" isn't the only Subway gig... :jared

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 24, 2016, 04:23:44 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 04:10:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 03:57:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:06:17 AM

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.02.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.03.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.04.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.05.chart4_d.gif)

Show me the related hiring explosion of decent waged jobs....oh wait you dildos think a subway gig is equal to an electrical engineer.

way to deflect

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 24, 2016, 04:40:57 PM

Quote from: Dufus on March 24, 2016, 10:57:50 AM

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

I don't understand the complaint that she's not charismatic. I've seen her talk and interact with people, she seems fine to me. She's not "fun Aunt Hillary" but 50% of complaints about her are either her demeanor, looks, or voice and it seems pretty sexist to me. I'm not saying you're sexist if you don't like Hillary, but if you're saying she has "no charisma" it might be worth examining why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvPZYCdZtX8

She seems natural enough here when responding to this kid's question. Sure, she's a politician and what she says has to be taken with a grain of salt, but she's not all "BEEP BOOP VERY GOOD QUESTION HOO-MAN" which is what I would expect from what her detractor's say.

But hey, maybe she just needs to smile more (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/male-pundits-hillary-clinton_us_56e8bc99e4b0860f99daecf6)?

(http://i.imgur.com/nUpK0J9.png)

A male politician has to look and act like Dick Cheney before getting called out on it, but for Hillary all it takes is not smiling enough. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Oblivion on March 24, 2016, 05:43:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 04:10:52 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 24, 2016, 03:57:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 11:06:17 AM

Obamacare has killed more small business growth then the recession ever did.

(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.02.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.03.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.04.chart4_d.gif)
(http://www.bls.gov/web/cewbd/f.05.chart4_d.gif)

Show me the related hiring explosion of decent waged jobs....oh wait you dildos think a subway gig is equal to an electrical engineer.

As expected, the goal posts have been moved from "OBAMACARE'S KILLING SMALL BUSINESSES!" to "WELL OKAY  SMALL BUSINESSES MIGHT IN FACT ACTUALLY BE GROWING BUT THEY'RE NOT OFFERING HIGH PAYING JOBS!"

And I'm pretty sure that's not true either.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 24, 2016, 05:45:30 PM

Why do you care what employers pay small business employees? Let the market decide, you don't want to force them to downsize.
 :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Oblivion on March 24, 2016, 05:57:53 PM

Obviously, if Obamacare didn't exist we'd have way more electricians.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2016, 06:08:40 PM

Ya and tons of 6 man small businesses all in need of permanent electrical engineers.   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on March 24, 2016, 10:42:14 PM

You must never have seen Primer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 24, 2016, 10:46:02 PM

I dont watch movies that cost less than 50million to make.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2016, 10:56:56 PM

I don't get the whole "Saying Hillary looks grumpy is sexist!" bit.
I mean Bernie has been lampooned everywhere for looking like an unstable mental patient and we just sorta laugh it off (we make fun of how Ben Carson looks sleepy, Rubio looks thirsty, Jeb looks like a loser,  and don't mention Trump's "hair").
But then I guess I might not get it because I'm on of those "Bernie bros" or whatever.

Though honestly, I think his tax plan is a train wreck. But at the same time I cant have a candidate that's in essence saying everything I've pushed for in ages and then say "Yeah, the execution will never work, so I wont vote for him."

But then, I'm in California. We're so late in the primary process it doesn't matter who we vote for by the time it gets to us.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Dennis on March 25, 2016, 08:42:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/Yw3PUp2.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2016, 09:10:49 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2016, 10:56:56 PM

I don't get the whole "Saying Hillary looks grumpy is sexist!" bit.
I mean Bernie has been lampooned everywhere for looking like an unstable mental patient and we just sorta laugh it off (we make fun of how Ben Carson looks sleepy, Rubio looks thirsty, Jeb looks like a loser,  and don't mention Trump's "hair").

Doesn't happen with them nearly as often as it does with Hillary. I mean, even from the last couple pages of this thread:

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 18, 2016, 10:11:48 AM

Quote from: Dennis on March 18, 2016, 10:05:07 AM

(https://media0.giphy.com/media/3o6gaSwGsD99AK29wc/giphy.gif)

She looks more manly that he does.

Quote from: Dufus on March 24, 2016, 10:57:50 AM

real talk what is up with people idolizing Hillary Clinton. She's not particularly charismatic. So why? Just why? Seeing some gaffers fawn over her and refer to her as 'queen' is fucking weird.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 24, 2016, 02:24:50 PM

I just realized that :beli   actually looks a like like Hillary, sweet.

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on March 24, 2016, 02:40:09 PM

nah, beli looks too friendly.

Where are the posts about Bernie's or Trump's appearances?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2016, 09:18:51 AM

This forum is incredibly different compared to other places and vice versa. Some people want to fuck or cuddle with Hilary on some parts of the internet, while Bernie Sanders gets called an old ass constantly in some places(even though the age difference between him and Hilary is 6 or 7 years).

Politicians get made fun of all the time. George W Bush was a living meme for 8 years. The words that come out of Hillary's mouth are way worse than her appearance or vagina, personally. You also quoted the same person twice, Dufus didn't say anything about looks or gender, and Puppy said Hilary looks grumpy.

Like, women can be grumpy. Calling Hilary a dyke grandma that should go back home to groom her rug and she should bring all the women at the whitehouse with her would be sexist. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 25, 2016, 09:32:49 AM

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 25, 2016, 09:33:22 AM

(http://Screenshot952016-03-23-16-33-55-1.jpg)


Tasty, Trump is a walking buffoon who everybody already picks on and Bernie is nearly dead . Let's face it we don't exactly have JFK running for the White House this year. Just because we joked about Hillary last page doesn't mean anything other that's it's a coincidence.

Also this is a political thread, shit is going to be throw around....it's how it is. If you can't handle it without getting upset maybe it's best you stay above the fray buddy, you know?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 25, 2016, 09:40:10 AM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on March 25, 2016, 09:32:49 AM

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

People most definitely insulted his looks and intelligence. Go back and watch SNL skits. The difference between him and Obama in the court of public opinion is staggering.

Obama is said to be a handsome, intelligent, emotionally stable, well spoken politician.

Bush was said to be stupid, a product of nepotism, always squinting, terribly spoken, and myopic.


Come to think of it....Kennedy, Clinton, and Obama? Them Dems been killing my Pubs for years on player skills :snoop


Reagan was a player back in the day though :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 25, 2016, 10:06:00 AM

People are petty and backstabby enough that every aspect of your appearance and attitude has to be good in order for you to get into a leadership position. That's why Reagan had to dye his hair to beat the Communists.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 10:09:17 AM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on March 25, 2016, 09:32:49 AM

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

Weren't there constant comparisons to Bush and monkeys? I remember there being constant memes about that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2016, 10:14:27 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/scotus-healthcare-wrong

Quote

Let’s just let those women buy contraceptive-only coverage through the ACA exchanges!, Chief Justice John Roberts, Justice Samuel Alito and Justice Anthony Kennedy all proposed during Wednesday's Zubik v. Burwell hearing.

:snoop :comeon

Be oblivious about a law you can rule on, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2016, 10:22:29 AM

We really gonna pretend that women aren't more critically scrutinized for their looks/demeanor/presentation than men?  C'mon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2016, 10:43:24 AM

Outside of celebrity stuff and politics? Yeah. Celebrity stuff and politics? Men and women get shit on for superficial shit all the time.

David Letterman looked like someone his age without makeup and people acted like he let himself go. Ted Cruz has been photoshopped as a wizard or elf.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2016, 10:54:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 25, 2016, 09:40:10 AM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on March 25, 2016, 09:32:49 AM

It's really not a huge concession to admit that people say more shit about Hillary's clothing, looks, etc than her male counterparts. Women have constantly been subject to this kind of thing. I recall the majority of the mockery of Bush surrounded his borderline illiteracy/awful policies, not his mode of dress and lack of smiles.

People most definitely insulted his looks and intelligence. Go back and watch SNL skits. The difference between him and Obama in the court of public opinion is staggering.

Obama is said to be a handsome, intelligent, emotionally stable, well spoken politician.

Bush was said to be stupid, a product of nepotism, always squinting, terribly spoken, and myopic.


Come to think of it....Kennedy, Clinton, and Obama? Them Dems been killing my Pubs for years on player skills :snoop


Reagan was a player back in the day though :rejoice

All of those things are true, though! He also bankrupted the nation with two shitty wars, let an American city drown because he'd appointed a horse judge to be head of FEMA- since who cares if the government is able to respond to emergencies when you don't view the government as a necessary thing- and had the misfortune to be holding the grenade when it went kablooey all over the financial system, which was a result of prior legislation and deregulation, sure, but not stuff he would have opposed.

You tryin to say he's not a shit tier President that didn't EARN all of that derision, dude? Cause c'moooooooon. Trump ain't right about much, but he's right about W being a fucking dumpster fire.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 10:56:55 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 25, 2016, 10:22:29 AM

We really gonna pretend that women aren't more critically scrutinized for their looks/demeanor/presentation than men?  C'mon.

Between the average man and woman, sure. But once you reach a certain level of fame (and especially if you are a polarizing figure) it doesn't seem to matter any more.

Politics is a breeding ground of polarization.






 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 25, 2016, 11:04:01 AM

Well people don't really make fun of Hilary for being dumb the way they did Bush because she can, y'know, form complete sentences, and had a basic grasp on grammar. I forgot about the monkey pictures, but I always assumed those were making fun of how dumb he was.

Also once you're on a certain level of fame, sexist shit isn't sexist because you're famous? please

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Rufus on March 25, 2016, 11:06:04 AM

He's saying the amount of sexist shit is the same.

I don't know either way, but I also think women get scrutinized for their appearance (and age) a lot more than men.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 25, 2016, 11:08:29 AM

Quote from: mormapope on March 25, 2016, 10:43:24 AM

David Letterman looked like someone his age without makeup and people acted like he let himself go.

Of all the people to use as an example of male celebrities being held to the same beauty standard as female celebrities...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2016, 11:17:47 AM

It was a recent example  :doge

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 10:56:55 AM

Between the average man and woman, sure. But once you reach a certain level of fame (and especially if you are a polarizing figure) it doesn't seem to matter any more.

Politics is a breeding ground of polarization.

This is where I stand on this.





 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2016, 11:28:56 AM

I mean, it might be true, but "well we do it to guys too!!" doesn't make it better or somehow erase the context of being a woman.

And I'm very antihilary yall

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2016, 11:41:44 AM

Every new David Brooks column is must read entertainment these days...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/opinion/the-post-trump-era.html?smid=pl-share

Paging Mandark!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Syph on March 25, 2016, 11:42:20 AM

people idolize hillary because she is a woman
stop lying to yourself

she's a shitty person, as is trump
i ideologically disagree with bernie the most out of any candidate besides maybe cruz but i can appreciate how genuine he is

if hillary were up against a real republican, or if bernie somehow had the machine that she has (aka my point is more fair race) then she would get destroyed...in theory
but i think really she'd win because she's a woman
i guess what i'm trying to say is don't vote for a woman because they're a woman...whenever i talk to female hillary supporters it always becomes about sex
they just really want a female president
ok, i get it
but wouldn't real courage be being able to stick to your principles and wait for a better female candidate to come along, not someone so transparently fake and malleable?

i don't know what the fuck im saying at this point lol i just really take issue with blind obedience to any candidate, regardless or any parameters

ps. this was not a commentary about the discussion on this page

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2016, 11:49:26 AM

I'm not voting for Hillary because she's a woman, I'm voting for her because I think she's the best candidate with the sanest policies and the most experience. I'm sure I'm not alone. I don't doubt women want to see a female president, but it's awfully reductionist to boil her entire base down to just that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 11:56:41 AM

All of this kind of talk is drenched in confirmation bias though.

If something you like (doesn't matter if it's a movie, a game, a person, a place, etc) receives any criticism it can feel unfair or unbalanced. Conversely, if you DISLIKE something all criticism seems just and coming from a logical place.

It can be both though. Some of the criticism of Hillary can come from that sexist instinct in a lot o men and some can come from 20+ years of being a public figure in politics. She's not some neophyte that has stayed out of the headlines and divisive topics.


In the end, that's what a President actually is. Just a totem for us to throw hope at or fling feces at. Something tangible for us to get inspired by or vent at so we don't pick up guns and start shooting those that disagree with us.
 

 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2016, 11:56:42 AM

I feel like well off democrats vote Hillary because she's most likely to maintain the bubble they live in  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2016, 11:58:07 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2016, 11:56:42 AM

I feel like well off democrats vote Hillary because she's most likely to maintain the bubble they live in  :doge

That's why she's winning pretty much all the non-white/non-millennial vote, right? :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2016, 11:59:23 AM

Are you saying nonwhites can't be well off? Wow man

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: mormapope on March 25, 2016, 12:00:27 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 25, 2016, 11:58:07 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2016, 11:56:42 AM

I feel like well off democrats vote Hillary because she's most likely to maintain the bubble they live in  :doge

That's why she's winning pretty much all the non-white/non-millennial vote, right? :doge

Millennials have more money and financial security/nets than middle aged people?
  :drake

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2016, 12:04:17 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 25, 2016, 12:23:40 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2016, 11:59:23 AM

Are you saying nonwhites can't be well off? Wow man

The Irony of poor whites making this statement is thick....smh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 25, 2016, 12:28:58 PM

You need to just give up on reading the tone of this board. Never did I seriously think he was saying that. He got that, why didn't you?

And I'll have you know I'm securely in the bottom rung of middle class and don't qualify for any of the cool free stuff poor people get.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2016, 12:33:29 PM

I'm in the same boat, but I'm white so I've got that going for me, wheeeeeeeeeee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 25, 2016, 12:43:02 PM

Ya, I only make 30,000 a year and have to pay 9000 of that back in tuition, but I'm white, so, luckily, no one makes broad generalizations about me on the internet. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2016, 12:48:48 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 25, 2016, 12:43:02 PM

Ya, I only make 30,000 a year and have to pay 9000 of that back in tuition, but I'm white, so, luckily, no one makes broad generalizations about me on the internet.

You're Canadian and a psychopath, shhhhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 25, 2016, 01:02:36 PM

Not and only on the internet!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2016, 01:06:14 PM

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016

(http://i.imgur.com/yA2yi5q.png)

Poor people are gonna feel the bern, alright.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 01:22:34 PM

What an exercise in futility. Tax plans have to go through Congress.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 25, 2016, 02:13:21 PM

That's why I'm fine with Clinton's plan.  Stay the course

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2016, 02:14:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 01:22:34 PM

What an exercise in futility. Tax plans have to go through Congress.

That's the thing though. None of Bernie's pipe dreams are going to happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2016, 02:22:18 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 25, 2016, 02:14:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 01:22:34 PM

What an exercise in futility. Tax plans have to go through Congress.

That's the thing though. None of Bernie's pipe dreams are going to happen.

None of Hillary's more reasonable shit is happening as long as the GOP controls the house, either. Unless people seriously think that the Freedom Caucus, who think she's the Butcher of Benghazi and Maleficent of the Ozarks, are really gonna cut any deals with a Hillary admin.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2016, 03:11:03 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 25, 2016, 02:14:51 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 01:22:34 PM

What an exercise in futility. Tax plans have to go through Congress.

That's the thing though. None of Bernie's pipe dreams are going to happen.

And neither are Hillary's. I've noticed quite a bit of criticism of Bernie's pipe dreams as if he's the only one peddling them. But Hillary is also promising universal pre-k, free-ish college, Wall St regulations, etc. She's even promising to go farther than Obama has on immigration executive actions, which may not even be legal (to the Roberts court).

The reality is that when Hillary wins she's going to be embroiled in ugly partisan fights and obstruction from day one. She might not accomplish much of anything in her first 100 days. And I find it interesting that she has kinda adopted Obama's rosy 08 rhetoric about bipartisanship, when she (correctly) lampooned that shit at the time.

A Trump nom could hand democrats the senate but the House will remain in the hands of extremists who literally think she should be in jail for treason.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| &quot;I only know what's on the internet.&quot;
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2016, 03:11:34 PM

Hillary is doing a lot for downticket candidates and a ton of seats are up for grabs. Each passing day that Trump is frontrunner, more GOP congresspeople are in danger of losing their seats.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2016, 03:17:56 PM

If dems win the House I will PM you dick picks.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 25, 2016, 03:22:12 PM

the Senate was always likely to turn, now its dang near inevitable.

Barring a miracle the Congress will not turn, but isn't it likely that the GOP's hold will weaken? And as such the suicide bombers for America, I mean the Freedom Caucus loses some sway as well?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 25, 2016, 03:25:28 PM

Trump:

Quote

"Likewise, I have nothing to do with the National Enquirer and unlike Lyin’ Ted Cruz I do not surround myself with political hacks and henchman and then pretend total innocence," he wrote. "Ted Cruz’s problem with the National Enquirer is his and his alone, and while they were right about O.J. Simpson, John Edwards, and many others, I certainly hope they are not right about Lyin’ Ted Cruz."

This guy .. :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 25, 2016, 03:40:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2016, 03:17:56 PM

If dems win the House I will PM you dick picks.

Hell I'd they even hold their current numbers I'd be shocked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 25, 2016, 03:41:47 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 25, 2016, 03:22:12 PM

the Senate was always likely to turn, now its dang near inevitable.

Barring a miracle the Congress will not turn, but isn't it likely that the GOP's hold will weaken? And as such the suicide bombers for America, I mean the Freedom Caucus loses some sway as well?

The GOP will almost certainly have a net loss in the House, just not the 30 seats it's gonna take to flip control.

But who do you think will lose? People in competitive, purple districts. The lunatics in the Freedom Caucus are from the most insane districts in the country, they'll be re-elected easily because they're actually representing their constituents. Any sort of compromise or even responsible governing will just get them primaried in 2018 by someone even more insane. So, no. They'll lose no sway as long as the GOP retains control- if anything, down more reasonable members that might be persuaded to vote with Dems on some shit, they'll gain MORE sway.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2016, 03:55:26 PM

Yea, a Trump blowout isn't going to change anything for the party. They'll still be angry, opposed to immigration, hate the establishment (some might even blame Trump's loss on the establishment sabotaging him), etc. Others will argue Trump loss because he wasn't a real conservative.

There's not going to be a moment where the average GOPers sit back and say "wow, we should pass immigration reform and stop saying ugly shit about minorities or gay people." And by the time the midterms are approaching in 2018 the party will once again be in a lather of anger and prepared to win a bunch of House seats back.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 25, 2016, 03:58:02 PM

The Dems really need to regain a lot of statehouses in the next two elections in the run up to the next census. Otherwise, we're just going to end up with another decade of gerrymandered US House districts designed to maintain as many GOP seats as possible.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 25, 2016, 04:07:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AifkmaylpVg
:obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 25, 2016, 10:36:37 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 25, 2016, 01:06:14 PM

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/3/25/11293258/tax-plan-calculator-2016

(http://i.imgur.com/yA2yi5q.png)

Poor people are gonna feel the bern, alright.

Why don't they show effective tax rate? We make over 100k and our overall effective rate was never higher than 17.5% It never went down during W and never went higher under O. :shrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Oblivion on March 26, 2016, 04:05:56 AM

https://vine.co/v/ipxmOiiXv61

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 26, 2016, 12:33:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTbkbH3x7LQ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 06:50:20 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CebHwRHWsAIRgwc.jpg)

(http://imagesmtv-a.akamaihd.net/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/princessbernie-copy-1443710795.jpg?quality=0.85&format=jpg&width=480)

(http://i.imgur.com/40tumlG.png)

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Trent Dole on March 26, 2016, 06:55:25 PM

Something unexpected happened and he handled it well and that is bad somehow ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 07:02:35 PM

His official Twitter tweeting a cartoon version of it is embarrassing breh. They're trying to capitalize on it after the fact and it's just dumb.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: curly on March 26, 2016, 07:12:54 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 26, 2016, 07:02:35 PM

His official Twitter tweeting a cartoon version of it is embarrassing breh. They're trying to capitalize on it after the fact and it's just dumb.

 ::)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2016, 07:15:45 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 26, 2016, 07:02:35 PM

His official Twitter tweeting a cartoon version of it is embarrassing breh. They're trying to capitalize on it after the fact and it's just dumb.

:lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxfMUEf9otQ
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abuela/

etc etc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 07:21:29 PM

Lol Hillary isn't any better. Jeb did some super cringey stuff too. I'm not interested in whataboutism when it comes to embarrassing moments.

If you think this Bernie-Birdie shit is cool, you're taking an L, I'm sorry.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Broseidon on March 26, 2016, 07:22:09 PM

Gonna take lessons on what's embarrassing from the ninthing manchild who posts shit like this

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 22, 2016, 11:28:56 PM

The Queen slaying that crusty old guy in Arizona (https://raw.githubusercontent.com/d-chen/dota2-chat-emoticons/master/assets/images/charm_smile.gif)

>25% win, called by AP after less than 2% of votes counted (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v232/korn0818/c3ed7b23.gif~original)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 26, 2016, 07:29:30 PM

Yea, I'm going to place the bird shit pretty low on that chart, in fact I might not even put it on the chart. I don't even like Bernie and you're making me defend him, which is more cringe worthy than the bird shit.

-Everything Hillary has done to appeal to young people/Hispanics/black people/etc
-Jeb putting on a sweater
-Netflix n Chill w/Ted Cruz
etc etc

all far worse than the harmless, non-cringey bird stuff.

take the L, Andy.
(http://i.imgur.com/szZIpvv.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2016, 07:31:00 PM

Stop bagging on Andrex, you guys. Hillary got punked in Alaska and Washington today and he's real torn up about it, alright?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Sausage on March 26, 2016, 07:45:50 PM

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/feed/8-ways-hillary-clinton-just-your-abuela/

This is shit isn't even cmparable to that one tweet by the Sanders Camapaign

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 07:52:41 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on March 26, 2016, 07:31:00 PM

Stop bagging on Andrex, you guys. Hillary got punked in Alaska and Washington today and he's real torn up about it, alright?

As far as I'm concerned, she's the nominee at this point lol, not torn up at all. :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 26, 2016, 08:01:22 PM

That's short sighted of ya

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/sanders-currently-winning-democratic-primary-race-ill-prove-to-you_b_9528076.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 08:21:17 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 26, 2016, 08:01:22 PM

That's short sighted of ya

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/sanders-currently-winning-democratic-primary-race-ill-prove-to-you_b_9528076.html

I saw this the other day. :lol

I really wish this primary were over because I don't like arguing with other Dem voters. It's really unproductive.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 26, 2016, 08:28:17 PM

Yeah, I bet you wish we could stop right now huh :smug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 08:37:25 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 10:13:22 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/EbfnEVT.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/XCO9Yvm.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 26, 2016, 10:21:45 PM

Can't wait until November when everyone starts talking about the bird that won the election

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 10:24:43 PM

Bernie is literally Jesus 2.0. Except even better cause the original Jesus didn't give us free college and healthcare.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: mormapope on March 26, 2016, 10:27:03 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 26, 2016, 08:21:17 PM

I really wish this primary were over because I don't like arguing with other Dem voters. It's really unproductive.

"A hivemind is good if the queen of the hive is one of my picking"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 10:36:31 PM

I'd vote for either Bernie or Hillary with no sour grapes whatsoever. I didn't vote in the MA primary for that reason. As far as who gets my vote, it's a non-issue. They're both really strong candidates with really good progressive positions.

I like Hillary('s policies/experience) a little more and Bernie('s supporters) a little less.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Yeti on March 26, 2016, 11:51:32 PM

(https://qzprod.files.wordpress.com/2016/03/giphy-14.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Atramental on March 27, 2016, 12:06:27 AM

The Queen of Cringe  :marimo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 27, 2016, 12:12:59 AM

Yeah that was painful to see in the episode

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Oblivion on March 27, 2016, 12:22:27 AM

Where was that from?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Atramental on March 27, 2016, 12:25:02 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJgM4_C3gvE

*squirms*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 27, 2016, 12:48:21 AM

Hillary wasn't nearly as bad as the two "professional actresses" blowing her in that scene. Her SNL appearance was much more tolerable (though still pretty cringey in the standard politician-trying-to-be-cool way.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jh2n5ki0KE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Rufus on March 27, 2016, 01:50:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEM3wXIB4Oc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 01:59:18 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 26, 2016, 07:02:35 PM

His official Twitter tweeting a cartoon version of it is embarrassing breh. They're trying to capitalize on it after the fact and it's just dumb.

Your girl's had a ton of cringe-worthy tweets on her official feed.  Shit happens when you're old and tryna capitalize on social media.

Please don't go crazy making Hillary your new Apple.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: chronovore on March 27, 2016, 02:02:04 AM

Quote from: Rufus on March 27, 2016, 01:50:40 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEM3wXIB4Oc

More accurate than mainstream media.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 27, 2016, 02:08:48 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 01:59:18 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 26, 2016, 07:02:35 PM

His official Twitter tweeting a cartoon version of it is embarrassing breh. They're trying to capitalize on it after the fact and it's just dumb.

Your girl's had a ton of cringe-worthy tweets on her official feed.  Shit happens when you're old and tryna capitalize on social media.

Please don't go crazy making Hillary your new Apple.

I don't see how criticizing Bernie means I'm excusing anything anyone else has done, but ok

Also I don't like Apple much at all, lol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 02:12:41 AM

Just giving you a heads up, kid.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 27, 2016, 02:14:33 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 02:12:41 AM

Just giving you a heads up, kid.

:badass

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 27, 2016, 02:21:55 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 26, 2016, 10:24:43 PM

Bernie is literally Jesus 2.0. Except even better cause the original Jesus didn't give us free college and healthcare.

Isn't that redundant since the whole point of a 2.0 release is to add missing features? I just hope they improved the resurrection feature which I guess technically worked in 1.0 but was rendered kind of useless by the 40-day limitation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 02:24:56 AM

Wouldn't Jesus 2.0 be when he came back from the dead?  Or was that Jesus 1.1?

Someone goysplain me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 27, 2016, 02:32:45 AM

Quote from: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 02:24:56 AM

Wouldn't Jesus 2.0 be when he came back from the dead?  Or was that Jesus 1.1?

Someone goysplain me.

That was just a feature of 1.0 (see my post), but in that version he wasn't able to stick around for very long before he was like kthxbye off to heaven. It was kind of like how in Windows9x you could tell the bugcheck bluescreen to just go away for a while.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 02:37:02 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 26, 2016, 08:01:22 PM

That's short sighted of ya

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/sanders-currently-winning-democratic-primary-race-ill-prove-to-you_b_9528076.html

I wish stuff like this wouldn't be so widely shared.  "Bernie does poorly with southern Demos and with early voters" basically translates to "Bernie does poorly with black voters," who are disproportionately big chunks of those two groups.

So trying to dismiss those votes as somehow being less valid is ehhhhhhhh.  Bernie and his campaign have mostly been good on this stuff, and this particular piece isn't the most egregious example, but it's depressing (if unsurprising) to see how a lot of white liberals react when black folks don't support their preferences.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 27, 2016, 02:39:38 AM

The more Hillary has already won, the more her vocal supporters on the net sounds insecure.
Weird.  :doge

"Bernie is a crazy communist who will hike tax 100% ! Also he has been drawn on his twitter with a bird, MADNESS !"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 27, 2016, 02:39:40 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 27, 2016, 12:48:21 AM

Hillary wasn't nearly as bad as the two "professional actresses" blowing her in that scene. Her SNL appearance was much more tolerable (though still pretty cringey in the standard politician-trying-to-be-cool way.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Jh2n5ki0KE

You know, you're right, that's what bothered me most about, seemed so out of character for the show even

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 27, 2016, 04:22:00 AM

Hawaii 's in the house, shut yo mouth

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 27, 2016, 11:25:45 AM

http://gizmodo.com/some-sadist-ran-a-donald-trump-speech-through-googles-n-1767333665

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brob on March 27, 2016, 01:47:28 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/GJmcjhV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9AjjwCv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/cmZT8a9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jT7PNIB.jpg)

 :hans1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2016, 02:58:14 PM

I'll wait until Tay weighs in.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Samson Manhug on March 27, 2016, 02:58:26 PM

I just went back and re-read the “Bernie’s campaign is dead” posts from a month ago for a good laugh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2016, 03:01:57 PM

But his campaign is dead: he's not going to win
 ???

like the elves of Lothlorien he is on the journey of The Long Defeat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 27, 2016, 03:12:28 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on March 27, 2016, 02:58:26 PM

I just went back and re-read the “Bernie’s campaign is dead” posts from a month ago for a good laugh.

https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/713849264049430528

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Yeti on March 27, 2016, 06:11:00 PM

Bush did 9/11, Bernie did bird/podium

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 27, 2016, 06:50:14 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2016, 03:01:57 PM

like the elves of Lothlorien he is on the journey of The Long Defeat.

A bit odd how he's in a very similar position to Hillary from late in the '08 campaign, basically locked out by delegate math and demographics, but still campaigning and taking some states.

I don't blame him.  He's too old to be running again, and he's got a message he wants to get out.  It's really at the point where he and his followers need to start accepting he won't be the nominee and figure out a way to carry the enthusiasm and involvement over to something productive, rather than letting it dissipate into apathy or cathartic Reddit posts.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2016, 07:37:49 PM

He's also down more than Hillary was at the time. Based on Game Change and some of the other reporting at the time it seemed like Hillary was praying for some type of intervention to make her the nominee, and Bill was pressing superdelegates to hand her the nom no matter what. I remember quite a bit of nonsense about her winning the popular vote of the democrat primary process, which is only accurate if you count Michigan and Florida - the two states that had their delegates taken away due to moving the contest up too early. Neither Obama or Edwards were on the ballots.

This race was probably too lopsided for any great behind-the-scenes books to be produced in a few months/years but I'd love for someone to explain how Sanders' campaign thought they could win the nomination without the black vote. It just baffles the mind. I remember Edwards and Obama attending various "black events" as early as 2006, clearly in preparation for 2007/2008. I'd imagine Sanders never thought he had a shot at winning, and probably didn't think he'd do this well...but it still doesn't make sense that a democrat could look at the primary map in early 2015 and say "the south? Nah, fuck that."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2016, 08:00:39 PM

I don't think that Bernie thought he could win at the outset. He was running to try to keep Hillary honest and highlight issues (campaign finance reform, financial system regulation, etc) that he's been beating the drum on forever. That's probably why, when he had to outline actual policy proposals, some of his math looks like a pile of shit.

He's done better than he probably thought he could. And the fact that Hillary couldn't easily swat down a 74 or whatever year old grumpy Jewish grandfather that identifies as a socialist shows that she's a weak candidate, IMO. She's going to win the political lottery by having to campaign against either someone with worse unfavorables than her (Trump) or a Lizard Person (Cruz, natch) this fall.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: chronovore on March 27, 2016, 08:17:45 PM

There's part of me that wonders if she'd bring him on her ticket as VP. I mean, Bernie has been steadfast about not badmouthing her, and it would certainly take that trove of people who claim "BERNIE OR GTFO" and give them a reason to vote in November. My nightmare scenario is Bernie running independent and splitting enough of the dem vote to hand the GOP a win.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 27, 2016, 08:26:51 PM

Quote from: Yeti on March 27, 2016, 06:11:00 PM

Bush did 9/11, Bernie did bird/podium

(http://i.imgur.com/Ho6E1Yv.png)

 :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 27, 2016, 09:26:37 PM

#justthetip

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Syph on March 27, 2016, 09:41:00 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2016, 03:01:57 PM

But his campaign is dead: he's not going to win
 ???

like the elves of Lothlorien he is on the journey of The Long Defeat.

will blasting Lord of the Rings music get me laid?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Barry Egan on March 28, 2016, 12:31:31 AM

Trump is beginning his pivot to the left y'all!

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-rules-out-internment-camps-muslims

(http://i.imgur.com/T1XeREq.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Trent Dole on March 28, 2016, 03:36:17 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 26, 2016, 10:24:43 PM

Bernie is literally Jesus 2.0. Except even better cause the original Jesus didn't give us free college and healthcare.

Uhm excuse me Jesus healed the sick and raised the dead free of charge didn't he? :teehee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| &quot;I only know what's on the internet.&quot;
Post by: VomKriege on March 28, 2016, 04:21:02 AM

Depends at how much you value your soul.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Sman on March 28, 2016, 09:29:20 AM

I disagree Bernie should pull out of the primaries, just like Hillary had no reason to in 2008. He's sufficiently different as a candidate, he still represents large and important constituents, the party is not tearing itself apart with him still running, you owe it to the latter primaries/caucuses to actually have a choice and however unlikely, he still has a shot at the nomination. Politics can be about taking risks, persevering and be the right man at the right place if that special opportunity arises. If after all of this, he doesn't win, he can at least say he tried his hardest.

Also, fuck Hillary. :)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2016, 12:58:39 PM

Sanders sticking around forces Hillary to talk about things she probably wouldn't otherwise. I'm fine with it, and I'll vote for whoever gets the Democratic nomination.

I would, however, like to know which one of the articles talking about Sanders' tax plan is accurate, because the one my wife and I saw last week was frightening. I also know that his grand plans would get neutered by the House, but it was still insane when we ran the numbers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mupepe on March 28, 2016, 01:43:10 PM

I believe one of the ones floating around calculates the employer portion of the payroll tax alongside your tax increase calculation since they considered tax increases on employers getting passed to employees via wages.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on March 28, 2016, 04:54:21 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2016, 12:58:39 PM

Sanders sticking around forces Hillary to talk about things she probably wouldn't otherwise.

Speaking of which:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/clinton-campaign-says-no-more-debates-until-bernie-starts-be-nicer

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 28, 2016, 05:08:07 PM

Which is ridiculous, he really hasn't ran very negative

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 28, 2016, 05:12:13 PM

Hilary is just ornithophobic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 28, 2016, 06:29:56 PM

OMG, if you can't handle Bernie, you probably need someone to help you pull the lid off your pudding cup.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Trent Dole on March 28, 2016, 06:35:05 PM

Complain about Bernie when you're going to have to deal with Trump down the road brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 28, 2016, 07:21:40 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/its-time-for-hillary-clin_b_9555422.html

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on March 28, 2016, 08:36:51 PM

Sanders was never going to win: the superdelegates are designed to keep the party machine humming along.  Sanders spent most of his career as an independent so why would superdelegates go for someone like him when Hillary has always been a loyal machine Democrat?  Makes no sense.  Sanders is lucky to have the superdelegates he has, few as they might be.

I caucused for Bernie full well knowing he wasn't going to make it.  Sanders was not aggressive enough in 2015 because he thought his principles alone would do it: sometimes it does but often times its not enough.  He's done well all considering.  Hillary is a terrible campaigner though.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2016, 07:37:49 PM

This race was probably too lopsided for any great behind-the-scenes books to be produced in a few months/years but I'd love for someone to explain how Sanders' campaign thought they could win the nomination without the black vote. It just baffles the mind. I remember Edwards and Obama attending various "black events" as early as 2006, clearly in preparation for 2007/2008. I'd imagine Sanders never thought he had a shot at winning, and probably didn't think he'd do this well...but it still doesn't make sense that a democrat could look at the primary map in early 2015 and say "the south? Nah, fuck that."

He's never had to appeal to black voters before.  His political career was focused in Burlington, Vermont, which for most of his time has been well over 90% white.  It's a blind spot that he probably didn't anticipate.  Conversely, Edwards is from North Carolina.

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 28, 2016, 04:54:21 PM

Quote from: Mr. Gundam on March 28, 2016, 12:58:39 PM

Sanders sticking around forces Hillary to talk about things she probably wouldn't otherwise.

Speaking of which:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/clinton-campaign-says-no-more-debates-until-bernie-starts-be-nicer

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Trump is going to go for the jugular.  If she can't handle Sanders, she will be Trump's new chew toy (see also: Lindsey Graham, Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio) for the general election.  Trump's numbers are down only because the GOP primaries are especially vicious now.  Once the GOP lets up (or whimpers away), his numbers are going to bounce back.  Fortunately most Democratic strategists I see in articles are not declaring victory yet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 12:22:17 AM

lolz superdelegates

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 27, 2016, 07:37:49 PM

This race was probably too lopsided for any great behind-the-scenes books to be produced in a few months/years but I'd love for someone to explain how Sanders' campaign thought they could win the nomination without the black vote. It just baffles the mind. I remember Edwards and Obama attending various "black events" as early as 2006, clearly in preparation for 2007/2008. I'd imagine Sanders never thought he had a shot at winning, and probably didn't think he'd do this well...but it still doesn't make sense that a democrat could look at the primary map in early 2015 and say "the south? Nah, fuck that."

I think it's less trying to win the nomination without the black vote, so much as he figured that they'd support him if his campaign and message took off, like they shifted from Hillary to Obama in '08.

A lot of Sanders supporters feel that his message of economic justice is natural for black voters, and I'd expect Sanders himself felt the same way.  Just the way he's talked about how he'd accomplish stuff is predicated on a huge, grassroots surge of support for his program (compare with Hillary who's clearly looking at various constituencies which can be stitched together).  Eventually he had Killer Mike and Cornel West as surrogates, but it was definitely too little, too late.

Be interesting to see what lesson white liberals choose to take from this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2016, 01:16:42 AM

Yea. Although Cornell West is probably one of the worst black surrogates you can have (on the democrat side). Scust...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:29:53 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2016, 01:16:42 AM

Yea. Although Cornell West is probably one of the worst black surrogates you can have (on the democrat side). Scust...

(http://i.imgur.com/2fdr57K.png) (https://twitter.com/bomani_jones/status/703945378039726080)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on March 29, 2016, 02:47:27 AM

sweet, I feel better about my fucked up front teeth now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 10:13:16 AM

https://medium.com/@rebeccaunger/i-m-a-young-liberal-and-there-s-no-way-i-m-voting-for-bernie-sanders-e5086f25eb62

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I am a 22-year-old Democrat living in New York City. I work in a creative industry that pays a low salary. I am socially liberal: I believe in LBGT rights, a woman’s right to choose, women’s rights across the board, racial equality, gun control and confronting climate change in a major way. I am upset about income inequality. I believe rich people should be taxed more to help fund policy initiatives that benefit poorer people: healthcare and education and better infrastructure, for example. And yet the idea of voting for Bernie Sanders never once crossed my mind.

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This is about the simple fact that his is an idealistic, naïve agenda that could never be put into practice in America. In this country, to legislate even one tenth of such an ambitious plan would take degrees of cooperation, sacrifice, even manipulation and such an immense amount of ‘give-and-take’ tactics that an idea that once stood untarnished, glistening at the campaign podium, would come out looking like a child’s napkin after a meal of spaghetti Bolognese. Yes, there may be some white patches left around the edges, but no bleach will ever get out all the stains.

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Yes, Clinton has made ‘slip ups’ and she will inevitably be criticized for them, but experience is built by learning from one’s mistakes, and her acumen in this area is something American people should take into serious consideration.

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No one would bat an eyelid in Europe for a candidate with his checklist. I say this as someone who lived in Germany for four years and in London for almost five.

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So I hate to break it to you my fellow Millennials, but a vote for Bernie Sanders is a selfish act: an indulgence of a fantasy, an impractical, high-minded quixotic vision for an America that can never exist; it would be like striking a match against a damp surface.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 29, 2016, 10:14:08 AM

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/97/97388c0c93ad34363290e1d935266924deabf9cbb4a750326648be8a9d335e43.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 10:21:02 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 29, 2016, 10:14:08 AM

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/97/97388c0c93ad34363290e1d935266924deabf9cbb4a750326648be8a9d335e43.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/pcnKFm5.jpg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on March 29, 2016, 10:25:17 AM

I want to vote for Trump just as a middle finger to this entire charade we call presidential politics. But the catch is that you then support the 98% of his voter base that actually believes in the guy.

I wish everyone would be "in" on the joke.

Quote

Speaking of which:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/03/clinton-campaign-says-no-more-debates-until-bernie-starts-be-nicer

To me, this epitomizes my problem with Hillary. Instead of being sincere and forthright, she has to do this dance of bullshit that makes her look ridic. Why can't you just come out and say "I gain nothing from debating Sanders".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: tiesto on March 29, 2016, 10:26:24 AM

I love the "I'm not gonna vote for Bernie because he'll never get his ideas through congress" people... As if the republican-controlled congress is gonna play nice with Hillary :P

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 10:27:39 AM

Quote from: tiesto on March 29, 2016, 10:26:24 AM

I love the "I'm not gonna vote for Bernie because he'll never get his ideas through congress" people... As if the republican-controlled congress is gonna play nice with Hillary :P

You already got debunked by Rebeca:

Quote

The enactment of legislation necessitates compromise (a fact enshrined in the constitution), or in the words of Senator Sanders, “As we all know, there are bills in Congress that have bad stuff, there are bills in Congress that have good stuff. Good stuff and bad stuff in the same bill.” Yes, Bernie, but as President the bad stuff will mean a watering down, or outright counteraction of many of your goals.

Take healthcare, for example. Bernie advocates Medicare for all — a national, single-payer health insurance system that would replace the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare) made law in 2010. Hillary also has every intention of making healthcare cheaper. But rather than uproot a program that represents a huge milestone in American healthcare policymaking and was also incredibly difficult to implement because of Republican opposition, her proposal is to build on and improve what we have managed to achieve already.

This is not an “if it ain’t broke don’t fix it” move. This is a rational plan to achieve a realistic goal compared with Bernie’s unrealistic plan that would require so much dilution to make it Republican friendly redundancy kicks in.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 10:37:28 AM

Quote from: tiesto on March 29, 2016, 10:26:24 AM

I love the "I'm not gonna vote for Bernie because he'll never get his ideas through congress" people... As if the republican-controlled congress is gonna play nice with Hillary :P

He couldn't get his key policies through a Democratic Congress either, though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 11:05:24 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 10:13:16 AM

So I hate to break it to you my fellow Snake People, but a vote for Bernie Sanders is a selfish act

Fine with me.  :heh

If I have to vote between Clinton or Trump: I'm voting third party/Sanders write in. I trust neither of those motherfuckers with the country and "but Clinton supports most of Sanders policies" is bullshit. Yeah, because she'll cut tuition and not screw over my generation. She'll just tell Universities to "cut it out!" just like she told Wall Street. How did that work out? :doge

If she finally says something that is worth listening to and actually will follow through with it (which to be honest: I doubt she ever will, especially if the Congress is mixed) I'd consider it despite my dislike of her and her history. But there's no way that's ever happening. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:25:32 AM

that's dumb

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 12:00:38 PM

:yeshrug

Clinton hasn't appealed to me at all. Voting the "lesser evil" means voting against what I believe just for the sake of the hope that the country doesn't get screwed even harder than it already is.

(To be fair, I'm waffling between not voting for once since I turned 18 or voting third party. And I've voted in mid-terms. The country in the state it is simply has made me lose faith in the democratic process of being able to have the country "move forward" instead of being totally gridlocked with no means of actually getting things done.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2016, 12:08:22 PM

It amazes me that anyone thinks black people will be receptive to a man who has gone to such lengths to take ugly, personal attacks against Obama, including essentially calling him a distinguished black fellow.

Part of me wishes Sanders won the nom and presidency just so his supporters could turn on him as he failed to achieve anything, signed compromise budgets, etc. I wonder if West would make anti-Semitic attacks on him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 12:17:43 PM

West's whole schtick on Obama feels like it's been an extended riff of the Jesse Jackson "cut his nuts off" comment, a member of the old guard feeling that Obama hasn't paid his dues and isn't really authentic.

As a honkey I generally avoid commenting on internal conflicts in other communities, but West really seemed to cross the line in how personal he got, and most of his political analysis seemed directly lifted from a #slatepitch about how Obama could've gotten a British style National Health System if only he really tried.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 12:42:09 PM

If Obama had the Slave Blood in him he would have been a modern day A. Philip Randolph and not backed down to the capitalist cac's.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 12:53:36 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:25:32 AM

that's dumb

Yup. Supreme Court seats, nuclear launch codes, and decades of progress for minorities, LGBT people, immigrants and women are too important to throw down the drain because you got pouty your candidate didn't win.

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 11:05:24 AM

If I have to vote between Clinton or Trump: I'm voting third party/Sanders write in. I trust neither of those motherfuckers with the country

The Guardian: "This may shock you: Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest" (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson?CMP=twt_gu)

Also, equivocating Clinton and Trump as if they're both equally dishonest couldn't be further from reality.

(http://i.imgur.com/iFzjzo7.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/RV0fyxo.png)

Bernie, for comparison:

(http://i.imgur.com/tDuFDIW.png)

Bernie and Hillary are actually pretty damn close. In fact, while Hillary has slightly more "pants on fire," her absolutely true + mostly true statements are higher than Bernie's.

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 11:05:24 AM

"but Clinton supports most of Sanders policies" is bullshit.

You can say it's "bullshit", but it's provably the truth. They voted the same 93% of the time when they were both in the Senate. (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html)

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 11:05:24 AM

Yeah, because she'll cut tuition and not screw over my generation. She'll just tell Universities to "cut it out!" just like she told Wall Street. How did that work out? :doge

Hillary is for free (as in tuition, books, and fees) public colleges under New College Compact (https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/college/) (both community colleges and four-year.) She also supports college debt refinancing using current rates, sharply lowering interest rates, and repayment programs that max out at 10% of the graduate's salary.

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 11:05:24 AM

If she finally says something that is worth listening to and actually will follow through with it (which to be honest: I doubt she ever will, especially if the Congress is mixed)

This is a really defeatist way of thinking and it's strange hearing it from a Bernie supporter. If you think Hillary can't do shit with how Congress currently is, then I'm not sure how Bernie would do literally anything he's been talking about.

I should also reiterate Hillary has been doing a lot of work for downticket candidates so that Democrats regain seats in congress (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/clinton-sanders-party-fundraising-217293), which is the real fight. Bernie on the other hand hasn't been doing shit in comparison, but that's not a surprise since he's an "outsider" (and that's been spun as a good thing.)

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 11:05:24 AM

I'd consider it despite my dislike of her and her history. But there's no way that's ever happening. :doge

Dealing in absolutes is not useful when politics are involved.

I've tried to lean off the snark for this post because my personal message throughout this primary is that Democratic voters have to come together this election, regardless of their preferred candidate. There is just way too much on the line as I said at the top of this post. And yes, I'd be arguing the same points if Hillary was down and Bernie was up.

I've said my peace, vote for how you want, but don't expect to be lauded it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 29, 2016, 01:01:38 PM

I don't really care for Hillary. I think voting her in wont change the important things that need changing. But that being said, I'm not delusional enough to vote 3rd party when Sanders loses. There's way too much at stake.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 29, 2016, 01:07:08 PM

my first presidential vote was for Nader. But if Gore had even half of a chance of getting the deeply red state I lived in, I would have gone for Gore in a heartbeat.

I don't really think ole' Ralphey cost Gore the election (Bush and co were playing dirty anyway, Al ran a shitty campaign and ran away from his accomplishments Romney-style), but I also think that pretty much all those Nader voters, myself included, would have much rather had Gore in the White House then Bush. And as hard as it can be to get excited about voting for the lesser evil, its actually really, really important that the lesser evil wins.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 01:13:17 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on March 29, 2016, 12:53:36 PM

The Guardian: "This may shock you: Hillary Clinton is fundamentally honest" (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/mar/28/hillary-clinton-honest-transparency-jill-abramson?CMP=twt_gu)

Also, equivocating Clinton and Trump as if they're both equally dishonest couldn't be further from reality.

(http://i.imgur.com/iFzjzo7.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/RV0fyxo.png)

Bernie, for comparison:

(http://i.imgur.com/tDuFDIW.png)

Bernie and Hillary are actually pretty damn close. In fact, while Hillary has slightly more "pants on fire," her absolutely true + mostly true statements are higher than Bernie's.

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:21:23 PM

I'd complain about the fisking but I don't even object to benji's shitposting anymore so might as well let the thread burn.

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 01:27:51 PM

Why are you guys talking about the election outcome as if you or username has some say in it?

But throw your vote away on Hillary if you want, President Trump will be gentle to those who repent.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 01:28:33 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:21:23 PM

I don't even object to benji's shitposting

:ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:37:52 PM

and for that you're welcome!

hey, do you ever worry about what would happen to poor folks in your particular utopia?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brob on March 29, 2016, 01:41:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:37:52 PM

and for that you're welcome!

hey, do you ever worry about what would happen to poor folks in your particular utopia?

trick question: if there are any poor people still alive it's not utopia yet is it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: tiesto on March 29, 2016, 01:41:15 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on March 29, 2016, 01:07:08 PM

my first presidential vote was for Nader. But if Gore had even half of a chance of getting the deeply red state I lived in, I would have gone for Gore in a heartbeat.

I don't really think ole' Ralphey cost Gore the election (Bush and co were playing dirty anyway, Al ran a shitty campaign and ran away from his accomplishments Romney-style), but I also think that pretty much all those Nader voters, myself included, would have much rather had Gore in the White House then Bush. And as hard as it can be to get excited about voting for the lesser evil, its actually really, really important that the lesser evil wins.

Heh, 2000 was my first election as well, though I did an absentee ballot for Gore. I'll admit to being a bit tempted by the Nader (what with being a naive college student) but it really did come down to the 'lesser of 2 evils', and Gore wasn't all that bad (especially compared to dubya).

When it comes to voting for the lesser evil... part of me is still worried that those who aren't excited/motivated about Hillary won't turn out, and the blue-collar independents in the rust belt swing states will choose Trump and his populist message over the corporatist/insider Hillary. The South will go Trump, the west coast and acela corridor will go Hillary... but Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin may possibly turn Trump. Florida is up in the air, too. The big question is the midwest, since none of them were too high on Trump (hell I've seen arguments that Utah may possibly choose Hillary over Trump!).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 01:46:50 PM

Quote from: brob on March 29, 2016, 01:41:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:37:52 PM

and for that you're welcome!

hey, do you ever worry about what would happen to poor folks in your particular utopia?

trick question: if there are any poor people still alive it's not utopia yet is it

(https://d12edgf4lwbh8j.cloudfront.net/photo/image/inches.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:49:54 PM

What I really like about that answer ("poor people alive") is the two very different ways in which it can be read.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 01:54:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2016, 12:08:22 PM

to a man who has gone to such lengths to take ugly, personal attacks against Obama, including essentially calling him a distinguished black fellow.

wait what?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:56:04 PM

He means Cornel West.  I've only read some stuff here and there, but I do remember West speculating that Obama's upbringing made him unduly eager to please white people, and that was driving his decisions as president.  Bunch of stuff like that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:58:01 PM

Elevator pitch: West by North West, a panel show where Cornel West, Ollie North, and Allen West discuss issues of the day.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 02:08:37 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:37:52 PM

and for that you're welcome!

I wasn't thanking you, I was blaming you. All of this could have been avoided.

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hey, do you ever worry about what would happen to poor folks in your particular utopia?

(http://45.media.tumblr.com/03b7d42864bab6a8a307635683af1850/tumblr_ni1ayb0D2v1rl3565o8_250.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brob on March 29, 2016, 02:11:21 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:58:01 PM

Elevator pitch: West by North West, a panel show where Cornel West, Ollie North, and Allen West discuss issues of the day.

using north west's name yet pretending she doesn't exist smh #AllMalePanel

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 02:28:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 01:56:04 PM

He means Cornel West. 

Ah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2016, 02:52:37 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 12:17:43 PM

West's whole schtick on Obama feels like it's been an extended riff of the Jesse Jackson "cut his nuts off" comment, a member of the old guard feeling that Obama hasn't paid his dues and isn't really authentic.

As a honkey I generally avoid commenting on internal conflicts in other communities, but West really seemed to cross the line in how personal he got, and most of his political analysis seemed directly lifted from a #slatepitch about how Obama could've gotten a British style National Health System if only he really tried.

Honestly I don't think West and Jackson were on the same side of that disconnect. West was an early Obama supporter, an intellectual, and a far leftist. I don't think of him as a member of the "black establishment" that Sharpton, Jackson, and other civil rights relics have been a part of over the decades. You can see why Obama appealed to leftists and intellectuals - he's basically from that world. In fact he has more connection to it than the Civil Rights era. When Obama first ran for office in Illinois he was attacked for being a black elitist who didn't understand actual black people; Bobby Rush beat him in an election by making those arguments.

Basically Jackson is from that Bobby Rush cloth IMO, whereas West isn't. I think West is just a delusional leftist who is mad Obama didn't invite him to the White House enough. West isn't nearly as respected as he once was as an intellectual, and part of it has to do with him basically becoming a shitty pundit prone to hyperbole and ugly racial comments about Obama's family.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 29, 2016, 03:33:33 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 12:00:38 PM

:yeshrug

Clinton hasn't appealed to me at all. Voting the "lesser evil" means voting against what I believe just for the sake of the hope that the country doesn't get screwed even harder than it already is.

(To be fair, I'm waffling between not voting for once since I turned 18 or voting third party. And I've voted in mid-terms. The country in the state it is simply has made me lose faith in the democratic process of being able to have the country "move forward" instead of being totally gridlocked with no means of actually getting things done.)

Let me see if I can explain it this way:

Every year in Happy Gumdrop Fairy-Tale Land all of the sprites and elves and woodland creatures gather together to pick the Rainbow Sunshine Queen. Everyone is there: the Lollipop Guild, the Star-Twinkle Toddlers, the Sparkly Unicorns, the Cookie Baking Apple-cheeked Grandmothers, the Fluffy Bunny Bund, the Rumbly-Tumbly Pupperoos, the Snowflake Princesses, the Baby Duckies All-In-A-Row, the Laughing Babies, and the Dykes on Bikes. They have a big picnic with cupcakes and gumdrops and pudding pops, stopping only to cast their votes by throwing Magic Wishing Rocks into the Well of Laughter, Comity, and Good Intentions. Afterward they spend the rest of the night dancing and singing and waving glow sticks until dawn when they tumble sleepy-eyed into beds made of the purest and whitest goose down where they dream of angels and clouds of spun sugar.

You don’t live there.

Grow the fuck up.

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...shamelessly stolen :heh

https://shadowproof.com/2008/02/25/your-mumia-sweatshirt-wont-get-you-into-heaven-anymore/

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 03:41:59 PM

Whatever happened to 'ol Mumia after he got off death row?

The only thing after 2013 on his Wiki entry:

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In April 10, 2015 Marylin Zuniga, a teacher at Forest Street Elementary School in Orange, New Jersey, was suspended without pay after asking her students to write letters to Abu-Jamal, who fell ill in prison due to complications from diabetes, without approval from the school or parents. Some parents and police leaders denounced her actions.[131] On the other hand, community members, parents, teachers, and professors expressed their support and condemned Zuniga’s suspension.[132] Scholars and educators nationwide including Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges and Cornel West among others signed a letter calling for her immediate reinstatement.[133] On May 13, 2015 The Orange Preparatory Academy board voted to dismiss Marylin Zuniga after hearing from her and several of her supporters.

:doge

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In a phone interview on Wednesday, Zuniga's attorney, Alan Levine, said that by firing her, school officials "abdicated their responsibility to the community and to the children of the school district."

"They lost a teacher that everybody agreed was a remarkable teacher," Levine said. "There isn't a school district around that wouldn't be happy to have Marylin Zuniga teach in it."

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ktO2D3Vu0dbrJS9jfLH9bH5zIU4ppH74tGTxMn9vrzU/viewform

Quote from: Scholars and Educators in Support of Marylin Zuniga

As educators, we understand that this is a multilayered and complex situation.  The introduction of a figure as polarizing as Abu-Jamal is pedagogically complicated-- challenging for any educator, but especially for a first-year teacher.  Within a social justice framework, the goal would be to present multiple perspectives and allow students to come to their own conclusions.  What was exemplary with these letters was that students were empowered to take action out of compassion and empathy for a fellow human being.  What more experience might have brought to this teachable moment would be the introduction of a fuller contextualization around Abu-Jamal’s case so that students’ could come to their own conclusions- conclusions that might very well have resulted in these same get well cards. 

Ms. Zuniga demonstrated a multitude of positive strategies that many first-year teachers struggle with: she engaged students in real world issues and developed their academic skills on a project connected to their own authentic interest (Picower, 2012), with the single missing advantage of experience.  Teachers, however, cannot gain experience without time in the classroom, and certainly removing her as a punishment for a skillset that is still in development is not the correct solution.  Given the documented strengths she has already demonstrated during her short time in the classroom, coupled with the lessons she is learning from this situation, she has the opportunity, with your support, to develop into a master teacher serving the community of Orange Public Schools. 

The issue at hand appears to be connected to the fact that the students’ letters showed sympathy toward Abu-Jamal.  As social justice education recognizes, all teaching is political (Freire, 1993; Kincheloe, 2005; Macedo, 2000).  The question that lurks in this situation is whether teachers who have taught one perspective of other controversial figures such as Christopher Columbus or Andrew Jackson (Loewen, 2008; Zinn, 2003) faced the same level of scrutiny as Ms. Zuniga.  Is this a precedent that your school board is truly interested in setting?

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Marc Lamont Hill           Distinguished Professor of African American Studies Morehouse CollegePROFESSOR MARC LAMONT HILL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anMrSIfhnfw)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 03:51:09 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/29/donald-trump-scott-walker-wisconsin-taxes-cruz-endorsement

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Donald Trump attacked Wisconsin governor Scott Walker for failing to raise taxes in order to properly fund schools and roads on Tuesday, in a startling new break from rightwing orthodoxy from the Republican frontrunner.

The comments came after Walker endorsed Trump’s rival, Texas senator, Ted Cruz, in the GOP race.

Walker became a conservative hero for his efforts to crush public sector unions and cut government spending in the Democratic-leaning state in Wisconsin, something that led to an attempted recall of the Wisconsin governor in 2012 and became a national cause célèbre. But, in a radio interview with talkshow host Michael Koolidge on Tuesday, Trump bashed Walker’s administration.

“There’s a $2.2bn deficit and the schools were going begging and everything was going begging because he didn’t want to raise taxes ’cause he was going to run for president,” said Trump. “So instead of raising taxes, he cut back on schools, he cut back on highways, he cut back on a lot of things.”

Trump also added of the Badger State in general: “Wisconsin has a lot of problems, plus there is tremendous hatred … I wouldn’t exactly say that things are running smoothly.”

http://myfox8.com/2016/03/29/attorney-general-roy-cooper-speaks-out-on-hb2/

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Attorney General Roy Cooper, who is challenging Gov. Pat McCrory for governor, spoke out against House Bill 2 Tuesday morning during a press conference.

Cooper said his office, "will not defend the constitutionality of the discrimination in House Bill 2."

McCrory signed the bill, called the Public Facilities Privacy & Security Act, last Wednesday after it was passed by the North Carolina Senate.

The law was in response to Charlotte's nondiscrimination ordinance that allowed transgender individuals to use public bathrooms of the sex with which they identify.

Cooper said HB2 is at odds with specific employment policies that are in place to protect workers based on gender identity.

"We will argue it is unconstitutional as part of our defense of existing employment policies in the Attorney General's and State Treasurer's Office," Cooper said.

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Senate Leader Phil Berger (R-Rockingham) responded to the attorney general's announcement Tuesday, calling for Cooper's resignation.

Berger said Cooper's unwillingness to stand behind the law put children in North Carolina at risk.

"Roy Cooper’s refusal to defend the law makes clear he wants the ACLU to win by default in federal court what they can’t win at the ballot box and allow men to walk into locker rooms at YMCAs across our country and undress in front of young girls," Berger said

:doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 03:53:37 PM

Young girls shouldn't be at the Young Men's Christian Association anyway. That's what the YWCA is for.

 :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 29, 2016, 04:08:41 PM

Quote from: tiesto on March 29, 2016, 10:26:24 AM

I love the "I'm not gonna vote for Bernie because he'll never get his ideas through congress" people... As if the republican-controlled congress is gonna play nice with Hillary :P

In the primary or the general? I like that he forces Hillary not to be too safe and centrist but looking at the last 8 years of Obama, we've already been down this path of a moderate candidate having to fight Republicans for every stupid little thing. A lot of good changes happened in those 8 years though and in the process, the GOP just made themselves more and more irrelevant in the public eye. It's like we know this worked once basically.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 05:15:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49ASkyIeAmk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Steve Contra on March 29, 2016, 05:27:54 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on March 29, 2016, 11:05:24 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 10:13:16 AM

So I hate to break it to you my fellow Snake People, but a vote for Bernie Sanders is a selfish act

Fine with me.  :heh

If I have to vote between Clinton or Trump: I'm voting third party/Sanders write in. I trust neither of those motherfuckers with the country and "but Clinton supports most of Sanders policies" is bullshit. Yeah, because she'll cut tuition and not screw over my generation. She'll just tell Universities to "cut it out!" just like she told Wall Street. How did that work out? :doge

If she finally says something that is worth listening to and actually will follow through with it (which to be honest: I doubt she ever will, especially if the Congress is mixed) I'd consider it despite my dislike of her and her history. But there's no way that's ever happening. :doge

Protest vote  :neogaf

Never change white people, never change

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 29, 2016, 05:59:35 PM

"Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 29, 2016, 06:02:22 PM

Let me defend my white brethren for a second.

Remember when Militant ModsHelp (and some other BLM types) were arguing black people shouldn't vote for Hillary if she's the nominee out of protest?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 29, 2016, 06:16:53 PM

This white guy is voting for the Democrat. I don't care if it's the old white guy or the white woman.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: VomKriege on March 29, 2016, 06:41:08 PM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l41lPnsw4tL9W8O76/giphy.gif)

:kobeyuck

W had better moves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 29, 2016, 07:24:28 PM

Barf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 07:27:07 PM

She's with a lesbian and a black dude and she's dressed the most flamboyant   :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 29, 2016, 07:36:16 PM

While that is hilariously bad, I cannot wait to see Trump try to truffle shuffle or some shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 09:01:04 PM

Trump campaign manager Lewandowski charged with battery (http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/29/trump-campaign-manager-corey-lewandowski-charged-with-battery-for-grabbing-reporter-in-florida.html)

(http://i.imgur.com/Xf4RNWx.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 09:07:17 PM

LOL Trump's standing by this piece of shit. Should be good for some popcorn.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 29, 2016, 10:07:01 PM

No, it shouldn't, stop feeding the beast

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 10:44:00 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/29/donald-trumps-campaign-managers-lied-theres-now-clear-video-proof/?wprss=rss_the-fix&tid=sm_tw_pp

This is the assault?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 10:52:30 PM

She only ever said she was grabbed and jerked back by the guy.  Really think she wouldn't have filed charges if they hadn't decided to go on a weird campaign of publicly gaslighting her.  Even doubly weirder cause it's right on camera, on property owned by Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 10:55:39 PM

“Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down,” she wrote. “I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtslNEJvX7Q

Ya I don't see it.  I'd call her a liar too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:00:04 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 29, 2016, 10:55:39 PM

Ya I don't see it.  I'd call her a liar too.

First, I wouldn't be surprised if she was in heels and did have to maintain her balance.

Second, they didn't say "oh she's exaggerating," they said nobody ever touched her and that Lewandowski had never even seen her in his life.  Just complete bullshitting, and publicly trying to ruin her reputation in the process.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 11:08:44 PM

He hardly looks at her in the video. I think its more likely that he didn't know who she was or didn't think anything of the event probably because it looks like a non event.  How many crowds does he move through or try to get Trump through in a day?  Not saying that's the case but it seems pretty reasonable.  More so than defending her outrage of this incident because she might have been in heels, obviously putting her in the terrifying position where she might fall down while pushing her way to a crowded presidential nominee. 

She's the one that publicly called him out on it first.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:18:22 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 29, 2016, 11:08:44 PM

How many crowds does he move through or try to get Trump through in a day?

You realize he's the campaign manager, not Secret Service?  So if he's actually putting his hands on other people so frequently that it all blurs together, that's a problem.

You're twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend a dude who's been caught out blatantly, repeatedly lying about putting his hands on a woman.  Don't dig your heels in man, nobody needs to be going full Shinobi on this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: curly on March 29, 2016, 11:19:11 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 01:27:51 PM

Why are you guys talking about the election outcome as if you or username has some say in it?

But throw your vote away on Hillary if you want, President Trump will be gentle to those who repent.

It's very important that we delude ourselves into thinking voting is more than an act of self-identification for some reason I'm not really sure of.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 11:23:41 PM

She's just another butthurt Rand Paul supporter trying to make Trump and America look bad.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 11:26:46 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on March 29, 2016, 10:07:01 PM

No, it shouldn't, stop feeding the beast

But the popcorn is so delicious. :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:31:22 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 11:23:41 PM

She's just another butthurt Rand Paul supporter trying to make Trump and America look bad.

Clearly false, Rand Paul supporters are a myth.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 29, 2016, 11:34:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:18:22 PM

You realize he's the campaign manager, not Secret Service?

So?  If he had actually done some something to her note worthy then maybe this would be an important distinction.  Do you think she would have felt shaken had this happened on the subway?

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:18:22 PM

You're twisting yourself into a pretzel to defend a dude who's been caught out blatantly, repeatedly lying about putting his hands on a woman. 

Ya I could say the same to you about defending a women who seems to have lied about getting assaulted.

Women or not, and campaign manager or not, he doesn't look to have done anything particularly outrageous in the videos.  The fact that he lied doesn't bother me when I don't feel like the event he lied about is meaningful in anyway.  Its like if he told the world his favorite colour is blue and it comes out later its actually red; it's not news worthy. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 11:37:00 PM

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Why is no one talking about how the media has driven this into hysteria. Do you think any Secret Service person would allow someone to jump to someone who has been so demonized by the press that protesters are actively trying to jump him at his podium. This is such low hanging fruit but once again the hysterics of the press make it sound worse than it is actually was. She was obviously narcissistic in her belief that she was allowed to approach someone who is threatened daily. Once she was brought to reality her fragile ego was shattered and she was deservedly humiliated. Her story changes weekly and its apparent that she lied but those who rabidly oppose Trump are blindly using any excuse to target him and his supporters. To be clear I don't support Trump but it's appalling that these minor things are acted on as though it was a terrorist attack. It's disgusting.

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Where were all these critics and judges and accusers including Hillary and Bernie when the Baltimore Police were being battered by thugs and criminals. Anyone looking to find out who these batterers were? On the video, it looks to me like Fields got very close to DT; maybe to ask questions, I don't know and you don't either. Who knows really? There is no audio. It looks also like some one took her arm to stop her; possibly to keep her from being too close to DT as he was walking away from her? When touched, She did not seem to jolt, nor fall down or even stop completely or to glance at who was touch her. This just all seems so bogus to me. I don't even like DT or his politics or tactics or silly, redundant slogans. I believe DT will be beaten but not because of trumped up events like this. So many good reporters put themselves in dangerous, life threatening situations all the time. I think Fields should avoid Chicago, Baltimore, the middle east, Cuba and Belgium. I think she should avoid all dangerous arenas including the political one.

I don't know and you don't either. Who knows really?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:43:12 PM

Wait, Dandy.  Do you go around in public places grabbing people from behind to pull them backwards?

Trying to figure out why you care so much about establishing this as totally acceptable behavior.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 11:48:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on March 29, 2016, 11:43:12 PM

Wait, Dandy.  Do you go around grabbing people from behind to pull them backwards?

:nsfanyone

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 30, 2016, 12:00:56 AM

How can you describe this as pulling them backwards from behind?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtslNEJvX7Q
(https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/03/Lewandowski.gif&op=noop)

Going back to it, I don't care about the guy; maybe he lied maybe he didn't (again my post about his maybe his not remembering her was mostly to point out your pretzel defense of her being in heels).  Maybe he is a decent guy maybe he isn't.  I don't care.  What I do care about is that I don't see an assault on those videos.  I see something mildly out of the norm of public interaction in a crowded area, less so when it involves a celebrity.  Not something to try to get media hype around and certainly nothing to get the police involved over.  I rolled my eyes over her claims.  Now what worries me is, that had I not seen the video, I would have assumed he did assault her.

Not sure why you're trying to be disrespectful.  Not agreeing with the great political mind of Mandark doesn't automatically make someone a Shinobi.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 30, 2016, 12:09:16 AM

Back, and to the left.

Back... and to the left.

(http://i.imgur.com/8gK7QJM.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2016, 12:15:06 AM

Brehs, he put his hands on her. And this isn't the first time he's put his hands on someone. And Trump is defending him. I don't really care whether she fell down or not, whether she kept her balance or whatever. Brehs. Trump is rolling with savages and doesn't give a fuck.
:mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2016, 12:20:55 AM

It's ok, Arvie is clearly an expert on US battery laws, so if he didn't see any assault (which is not battery) then just let it go, guys

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 30, 2016, 12:27:26 AM

Or maybe, knowing I'm not a legal expert in anything but bird law, I used a word in a common vernacular which also happens to have a precises legal meaning. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2016, 12:40:00 AM

What's on the missing frame between her moving back and hitting Terris?!?!?!?

It's missing in the video too. :wtf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 30, 2016, 12:46:06 AM

To be fair, when it comes to pulling women backwards forcibly from a moving crowd Arvie is a bit of an expert :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2016, 12:46:59 AM

I totally forgot she was the one who was in the INTRINSICALLY PATERNALISTIC MATT DAMON video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ7icVvDK9I

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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SpaceManAus1 week ago
I hope Matt Damon runs for president one day we need honest people like him in Government, we need to get hold of the people who undermined the Common Law and owe constitutions and and trial them for treason and bring back the laws into alignment with the common law like it was meant to be, any law that breaches the common law is invalid and that is why it has all fallen apart, they say owe societies and not influenced be region but the common law comes from the King James Bible and proves that owe societies are based on christian values so allowing people to come into your countries without the promise to uphold owe values is nothing more then a takeover of the NWO, or UN same thing.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: chronovore on March 30, 2016, 02:25:48 AM

https://variety.com/2016/tv/news/anderson-cooper-donald-trump-5-year-old-1201741634/

The argument in question was "He started it."

In fairness to Trump, this argument is widely considered valid through high school, not just 5-year-olds.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2016, 02:37:40 AM

haha, cooper knows how to troll trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suKJhNUiAC0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpX4NQFkMzM

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SwampyTV2 hours ago
Anderson Cooper is a cia crook

MrQbenDanny1 hour ago
Anderson Cooper,
You ugly lab mouse, ask Lying Rafael the same questions about wife gate, yeah, the Canadian Cuban started it and TRUMP ends it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2016, 09:18:05 AM

Who knew all it took was a tug on the arm to bring a rag like breitbart down? :heh

BRB, going to trip Murdoch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 30, 2016, 10:45:51 AM

TRUMP ends it! (by RTing nasty tweets)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 30, 2016, 11:30:10 AM

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/29/washington-post-corrects-faulty-report-that-nea/209615

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The Washington Post issued a correction to both their initial story on March 29, explaining that they incorrectly reported "that 147 FBI agents had been detailed to the investigation" and that multiple U.S. law enforcement officials "have since told The Washington Post that figure is too high" and the actual number of "FBI personnel involved in the case is fewer than 50"

😑

Can't wait to hear that 147 number repeated ad nauseum for the rest of the election.

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The media continues to scandalize Hillary Clinton during the FBI's probe, even though legal experts have repeatedly explained that Clinton is unlikely to face prosecution and have termed an indictment "ridiculous."

Gee you think

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 12:59:45 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2016/03/30/news/economy/obamacare-patients-blue-cross-blue-shield/index.html


What a fucking shock.....the only thing they won't mention is the percentage actively seeking pain medications regularly. Which is assume is pretty high.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 30, 2016, 01:05:39 PM

Ya all those sick poor people must be drug addicts.

Obviously this was going to be the case that obamacare patients would cost more - and it was expected by the administration.  Its kind of the point really; get people who were shut out of the healthcare system to be in it. 

Do you honestly think that just because these people cost more that they don't deserve healthcare?   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:07:04 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 30, 2016, 01:05:39 PM

Ya all those sick poor people must be drug addicts.

Obviously this was going to be the case that obamacare patients would cost more - and it was expected by the administration.  Its kind of the point really; get people who were shut out of the healthcare system to be in it. 

Do you honestly think that just because these people cost more that they don't deserve healthcare?

National trends show rising drug use, are you purposefully being obtuse right now? I can never tell.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-program-may-be-linked-to-er-opioid-prescriptions/article/2564111


No but I think a lot of us are toting larger bills due to this. Insurance is going to make there money somewhere, so let's punish those who work for a living as usual. It gets old. I'm tired of paying everyone else's fucking bills.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2016, 01:15:24 PM

People who went years without insurance or were denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions are sick? Stunning.

Every year there are sticker shock articles about insurance under the ACA, and every year the rate increase comes in lower than expected. More importantly people are realizing they can switch to a less expensive plan. I've helped quite a few family members pick decent, inexpensive plans and I'm sure I'll be helping again later this year.

Linking having insurance to opiate abuse is below the belt bullshit. A lot of people abuse opiates, some of whom have employer based insurance. And many abusers don't get them legally/with insurance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 30, 2016, 01:16:13 PM

That was problem long before Obamacare and I doubt it has significanly added to the problem.  One article with the word 'may' in the headline isn't very convincing.  Also assuming this is the case, it doesn't imply obamacare is the problem, its doctors over prescribing drugs.  If your house is burning down you don't say 'I said building houses was a bad idea'. 

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:07:04 PM

Insurance is going to make there money somewhere, so let's punish those who work for a living as usual.

Well there is a good solution to that - get rid of private insurance as primary healthcare insurance for everyone.   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:16:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2016, 01:15:24 PM

People who went years without insurance or were denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions are sick? Stunning.

Every year there are sticker shock articles about insurance under the ACA, and every year the rate increase comes in lower than expected. More importantly people are realizing they can switch to a less expensive plan. I've helped quite a few family members pick decent, inexpensive plans and I'm sure I'll be helping again later this year.

Linking having insurance to opiate abuse is below the belt bullshit. A lot of people abuse opiates, some of whom have employer based insurance. And many abusers don't get them legally/with insurance.

Well the Electrical Union dropped the no-copay this year for all their employees due to Obamacare influence....

Having a baby last year? You paid 300-500 dollars total out of pocket

Having a baby this year? You're paying 10,000 dollars out of pocket

Yes, such progress.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 30, 2016, 01:28:32 PM

AiA, are you assuming that a lot of people with preexisting conditions may get unintentionally addicted to painkillers during major procedures or that they game the system with their disability so they can sit around buzzed all day? I had the former happen to me once when I had a reconstructive jaw surgery that lead to a collapsed lung the following day and 24 hours of hydromorphone which was extremely addictive. I was 15.

That sort of copay is ridiculous for a birth. I've typically heard people paying up to a grand or two with insurance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:30:06 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 30, 2016, 01:28:32 PM

AiA, are you assuming that a lot of people with preexisting conditions may get unintentionally addicted to painkillers during major procedures or that they game the system with their disability so they can sit around buzzed all day? I had the former happen to me once when I had a reconstructive jaw surgery that lead to a collapsed lung the following day and 24 hours of hydromorphone which was extremely addictive. I was 15.

And for every 1 of you that had legit issues there are 10 who are pill hunting. I know they have a database that tracks these people now, at least Ohio does. Which is making it harder for them to say "oh my back" and get 30 percosets.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 30, 2016, 01:49:31 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:30:06 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on March 30, 2016, 01:28:32 PM

AiA, are you assuming that a lot of people with preexisting conditions may get unintentionally addicted to painkillers during major procedures or that they game the system with their disability so they can sit around buzzed all day? I had the former happen to me once when I had a reconstructive jaw surgery that lead to a collapsed lung the following day and 24 hours of hydromorphone which was extremely addictive. I was 15.

And for every 1 of you that had legit issues there are 10 who are pill hunting. I know they have a database that tracks these people now, at least Ohio does. Which is making it harder for them to say "oh my back" and get 30 percosets.

Typically people with lots of surgeries learn to have higher pain tolerances and try to be functional on as little meds as possible. I've heard the same story with medical marijuana where there are definitely a lot of people who abuse that as a legal backdoor for recreational use but those who need it for some condition prefer to use the lowest dosage possible. You can't work or study while stoned.

When I had my first check-up with my primary care doctor 6 months ago, she implied that if I ever wanted to smoke weed again that I should just get a card since it's so easy to do. That's a whole different argument about the addictive effects of weed but my point is it's just a stupid statement to say that people with untreated, preexisting conditions are going to be on feel-good medications all day.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on March 30, 2016, 02:07:14 PM

I had a big long write up planned for this and realized it's not worth it. AiA has his warped views and I have mine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2016, 02:12:37 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:16:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2016, 01:15:24 PM

People who went years without insurance or were denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions are sick? Stunning.

Every year there are sticker shock articles about insurance under the ACA, and every year the rate increase comes in lower than expected. More importantly people are realizing they can switch to a less expensive plan. I've helped quite a few family members pick decent, inexpensive plans and I'm sure I'll be helping again later this year.

Linking having insurance to opiate abuse is below the belt bullshit. A lot of people abuse opiates, some of whom have employer based insurance. And many abusers don't get them legally/with insurance.

Well the Electrical Union dropped the no-copay this year for all their employees due to Obamacare influence....

Having a baby last year? You paid 300-500 dollars total out of pocket

Having a baby this year? You're paying 10,000 dollars out of pocket

Yes, such progress.

Have a link? I find this incredibly hard to believe.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 02:22:28 PM

http://www.benefitresourcesinc.com/PDF/13-14-MED-BNFTS-GUIDE.pdf


Have fun reading that garbage.

Locally our union who I support went from getting 1,000 applicants a year to less than 200, the reason most primarily listed? Insurance is too expensive.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on March 30, 2016, 02:40:18 PM

The highest family deductible is 3,750. Max out of pocket is 10K and to hit that you will have to incur costs of over 100K. This doesn't look any different from what my company offers and offered before the ACA.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2016, 03:16:10 PM

If I could interrupt small business owner AiA talking out how ass about insurance

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@alivitali

NEW Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/715244637410041856

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 30, 2016, 03:26:01 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on March 30, 2016, 03:16:10 PM

If I could interrupt small business owner AiA talking out how ass about insurance

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@alivitali

NEW Trump to @msnbc: "there has to be some form of punishment" for women who have abortions but he has yet to determine what that should be.

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/715244637410041856

Just about to post this. Man, at this point I hope Trump gets the nomination because there's absolutely no way he wins with women voters so alienated. Will be a fish in a barrel for Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 30, 2016, 04:31:33 PM

The front page of r/politics :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/7SNZFtR.png)

It's always been pretty bad but this is the biggest I've seen their Hillary hate-boner grow. :phil

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 30, 2016, 04:35:36 PM

It's almost literally a mirror of S4P now. It's fun to look at, like a zoo.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 30, 2016, 05:05:39 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 29, 2016, 10:55:39 PM

“Someone had grabbed me tightly by the arm and yanked me down,” she wrote. “I almost fell to the ground, but was able to maintain my balance. Nonetheless, I was shaken.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtslNEJvX7Q

Ya I don't see it.  I'd call her a liar too.

Yeah, it's a fairly minor event, but so is stealing a candy bar. People go to jail for the latter all the time.

If the Trump campaign and Breitbart, itself, hadn't immediately branded her as a liar and an attention-seeker, this probably would have already blown over and been forgotten about. But that's what they did do, and so she was kind of forced into a position to file suit against him in order to protect her reputation as a reporter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on March 30, 2016, 06:10:08 PM

After that response from Trump on punishing women who get abortions, I wonder if JD is considering voting for him now...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on March 30, 2016, 07:20:45 PM

as if JD wasn't going to vote for Trump in the end anyway :gurl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2016, 08:00:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:30:06 PM

And for every 1 of you that had legit issues there are 10 who are pill hunting. I know they have a database that tracks these people now, at least Ohio does. Which is making it harder for them to say "oh my back" and get 30 percosets.

like can you imagine the carnage if people used a product contrary to the wishes of the state of ohio?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2016, 12:45:28 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on March 30, 2016, 12:00:56 AM

How can you describe this as pulling them backwards from behind?

Because I have eyes.

Again, the guy and his boss called her a "liar" and "delusional" very, very publicly, denying that any physical contact had ever occurred.  Even granting the mildest interpretation of the footage, her statement is way closer to that truth than theirs is.  If she doesn't file charges, no way the security camera footage from Trump's building gets released voluntarily.

And it's totally reasonable for someone (especially a woman) to be a bit shaken when someone grabs and yanks them without warning in a public setting, and there's nothing about this particular context that would change that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2016, 01:07:59 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 02:22:28 PM

http://www.benefitresourcesinc.com/PDF/13-14-MED-BNFTS-GUIDE.pdf

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:16:53 PM

Having a baby last year? You paid 300-500 dollars total out of pocket

Having a baby this year? You're paying 10,000 dollars out of pocket

Is that actually right?  The way I'm reading the chart in that pdf, the HMO pays for 90% of maternity costs after a $1,500 family deductible.  So if you're paying $10,000 out of pocket, the total hospital bill would have to be over $85,000.  Not my field, but that seems high.

Am I just reading this wrong?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: brawndolicious on March 31, 2016, 01:55:05 AM

$10,000 is close to the full cost for a completely normal childbirth. Unless he's talking about someone who had a very unlucky set of complications, I dunno.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 31, 2016, 12:01:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0ZN2Ygomdo
 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2016, 12:32:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/NWeVwDW.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on March 31, 2016, 12:33:58 PM

I can't wait until he has Alzheimer's next election and calls everybody kiddo. Counting the days.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on March 31, 2016, 02:56:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 31, 2016, 12:33:58 PM

I can't wait until he has Alzheimer's next election and calls everybody kiddo. Counting the days.

Did Reagan call everyone kiddo? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on March 31, 2016, 04:04:40 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on March 30, 2016, 01:07:04 PM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/obamacare-program-may-be-linked-to-er-opioid-prescriptions/article/2564111

:sabu

You just googled "Obamacare opioids" and posted one of the first results.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Broseidon on March 31, 2016, 10:47:03 PM

neat shirt

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 01, 2016, 06:46:56 AM

Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Brehvolution on April 01, 2016, 09:08:22 AM

Quote from: Dufus on April 01, 2016, 08:44:05 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 01, 2016, 06:46:56 AM

Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

If the GOP doesn't change and Hillary wants a second term, it's very likely it'll happen. The GOP is already a mess and the demographics will change in such a way that will absolutely not favor them.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2016, 09:27:47 AM

Current Republicans aren't changing. It's a party of angry white people who are "losing their country". That angry trend is only going to keep increasing as demographics shift.

Its been obvious they need to make outreach to latinos for so long but they can't do that and keep their angry racist diatribes going so it doesn't happen. Its easier to see them splitting into two parties rather than moderating themselves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2016, 10:25:02 AM

The GOP won't change but TBH probably still have a small window in which to exploit outside factors and overcome their demographic problems. For instance the US economy has some form of a recession every ten or so years. What if an economic downturn occurs during Hillary's term? That plus her likely not achieving anything (plus petty real or fabricated Clinton scandals) could make her a one term president.

Speaking of the economy, AiA did you see the jobs report?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 01, 2016, 10:37:02 AM

something something low wage jobs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2016, 10:46:03 AM

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=199852014

Oh wait, and month in which low wage jobs are not the majority of job growth. And other of wage increases. And the participation rate increased. And oil prices are low and consumer confidence isn't bad.

And no signs of an imminent economic disaster in the coming months either.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 01, 2016, 10:53:48 AM

Looks like electing Republicans to control spending in Congress in 2014 was the right move. It's starting to pay dividends.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on April 01, 2016, 11:19:18 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2016, 10:46:03 AM

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=199852014

Oh wait, and month in which low wage jobs are not the majority of job growth. And other of wage increases. And the participation rate increased. And oil prices are low and consumer confidence isn't bad.

And no signs of an imminent economic disaster in the coming months either.

Unfortunately all it takes is for China to tank and the world economy is fucked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Tasty on April 01, 2016, 11:28:33 AM

http://www.vox.com/2016/3/31/11336884/donald-trump-polls-winning

:aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 01, 2016, 11:34:10 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2016, 10:46:03 AM

http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=199852014

Oh wait, and month in which low wage jobs are not the majority of job growth. And other of wage increases. And the participation rate increased. And oil prices are low and consumer confidence isn't bad.

And no signs of an imminent economic disaster in the coming months either.

something something inflation bomb imminent

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 01, 2016, 11:35:38 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 01, 2016, 10:53:48 AM

Looks like electing Republicans to control spending in Congress in 2014 was the right move. It's starting to pay dividends.

:delicious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 02:18:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC4Pvm6Oj4A
(http://i.imgur.com/r4b51ph.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2016, 02:26:52 PM

Isn't the Sanders campaign including employee contributions as "corporate donations," which is bullshit? I'm sympathetic to the argument about money in politics, but I gotta say I'm not really worried about Hillary Clinton giving handouts to the oil lobby (which btw hates her). Same with Obama.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 02:34:24 PM

Do we really want someone that can be that emotional and hysterical with their finger on the button? That was pretty much assault.

Imagine if a Trump supporter had acted like that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on April 01, 2016, 03:52:17 PM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2016, 04:14:54 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 01, 2016, 06:46:56 AM

Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

Since WW2, Reagan/Bush is the only time a party even got three consecutive terms in the White House.  But it's all tiny sample sizes and historical quirks, so who knows.

I'll echo PD and say it largely depends on the economy.  Also will be really interesting to see how this election plays out and how the GOP deals with Trump voters.

For demographic/geographic reasons, the Dems currently seem to have an advantage in the electoral college while the GOP has an advantage in controlling statehouses and the House.  A lot of Republican operatives and pundits felt after 2012 that the party should try to expand their base by being more accommodating on immigration and gay rights and we're seeing how well the current base liked that idea.  The GOP can either find ways to reach out to new voters without setting off revolts in the current base, or it can try to keep ratcheting up its share of the older white voters (with immigration, BLM and terrorism in the news so much that feels like the more natural path to me).

Shit could get worse before it gets better.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Syph on April 01, 2016, 04:27:21 PM

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holy fuck this is amazing
the carson part too
i wasn't ready
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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 05:24:16 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 01, 2016, 04:14:54 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 01, 2016, 06:46:56 AM

Assuming Hillary wins, what is the likelihood she does two terms? Anyone interested in doing some forecasting/wild speculation on this? I was just looking through past administrations and 16 years of uninterrupted rule by either party isn’t common.

Since WW2, Reagan/Bush is the only time a party even got three consecutive terms in the White House.  But it's all tiny sample sizes and historical quirks, so who knows.

Yeah, it really depends on how you draw the lines. Reagan/Bush is also the only time since Jackson/Van Buren it's happened without a President dying in office. (Unless you think Hayes actually won the 1876 election.)

If I start in 1976, the D's and R's both will have had five terms in office when Obama leaves.

If I start in 1952 and end in 2008, the R's will have held the Presidency for nine of fourteen terms. 1968-1992 is R's with five of six.

Since the inception of the Republican Party they've gone 22-17. Before Clinton they were 20-13.

It's odd to look at historical trends for just the Presidency, considering the Democrats dominated Congress for 40+ years. They likely would have won the 1940 and 1944 elections without FDR as the candidate. Their control over the South was something that only recently shattered and as quickly the GOP's seeming hold on it has faded.

Congress has pretty much been opposed to or at minimum been a thorn in the side to the President since 1938. Even when his party has been in power. Barely any President has gotten much more than a year of a Congress favorably in line in what he wants to do. It's why so many Presidents "shifted" to foreign policy as their focus. (And Nixon basically ignored domestic policy from the get go.)

Neither party should really be looking at 2012 or 2016 as being all that important in the scheme of their party's design moving forward even with the Supreme Court situation. 2020 matters not just because redrawing the districts, but because it's going to also going to be the last with the clear D advantage in the Electoral College if we assume zero changes in the party's positions. The states they've started flipping they have to move more into their fold. And vice versa for the R's.

One area it'll be interesting is if the D's going after VA, NC, GA, etc. allows a kind of backdoor for the Trump/Santorum jobs/trade-focused populism to bolster the R's back in the Rust Belt which they had played even in not too long ago and where the D's have kinda abandoned that focus as they assumed the states out of play. (Snyder, Scott Walker, etc. benefited from some of this.) And if the D's breakup the Religious Right's powerbase, does that help free the R's from having to kneel as much? The rise of the Religious Left doesn't get a lot of play, but there are megachurches that are Democratic money bases that could become vote bases. And we'll forever assume the D coalition won't fight it out at some point.

All that said, I assume D's losing in 2018, increases Hillary's re-election chances in 2020. Like it did for Obama.

Assuming Hillary is the D nominee this year. Something we shouldn't presume as Sanders could still...especially after the indictment I mean.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on April 01, 2016, 05:37:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 05:24:16 PM

Their control over the South was something that only recently shattered and as quickly the GOP's seeming hold on it has faded.

Did I miss something?  South is pretty solidly GOP, right?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 06:28:34 PM

I guess it depends on if you're including Texas or how far north you go with the South.

The should be GOP states of Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee and South Carolina only offer up 50 EV's vs. North Carolina, Virginia and Florida's 57. And Georgia isn't the GOP lock it was a couple years ago, was only like a five point margin in 2008, seven in 2012. Was 17 in 2004. I think it's not that farfetched to speculate Hillary could reasonably take it by a hair.

D's have good chance at some governorships and Senate seats, like in NC. I think they should probably move some legislatures back away from ultramajorities.

I think post-2014 will be the GOP peak in the South for a while.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 06:39:28 PM

http://nymag.com/press/2016/04/andrew-sullivan-joins-new-york-magazine-as-contributing-editor.html

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New York Magazine editor-in-chief Adam Moss announced today that writer Andrew Sullivan is joining the magazine as a contributing editor covering politics and the larger culture. He will write features throughout the year, and cover the 2016 Democratic and Republican National Conventions. He begins his new role today.

“I have had the privilege of working with Andrew from the beginning of his career (mine too). He is a major (deep and elegant) thinker and writer whose work has had tangible consequence, and he has written some of the more influential essays I have ever had the honor to publish. He also happens to be a true innovator―one of the first and best political writers online,” says Moss.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 01, 2016, 06:56:25 PM

I think having a white person as head of the party will help democrats re-take some lost ground in the south (in the short term) but ultimately it'll likely remain rather red. The south has really taken anger over the death of coal out on democrats, even pro-coal ones. Hillary will likely be less anti-coal than Obama but the damage has already been done. A lot of those jobs aren't coming back and it's not like congress will pass an energy bill that helps re-train workers in the near future.

Re-taking governor seats seems like an easier task simply because those elections are regulated to gerrymandered districts. NC will likely flip, for instance.

Long term though...the south will likely become bluer. As Benji said, Georgia is getting bluer. Atlanta and suburban cities are booming right now. A lot of black people are migrating back to Georgia and other southern states.

I wouldn't be stunned if in 10 years Georgia is a blue state and Michigan is a red state.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on April 01, 2016, 07:46:18 PM

Coal? You mean for energy? I thought the infrastructure was toward Nuclear now?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 09:13:56 PM

heh, the more things change: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-rolling-stone-interview-bill-clinton-19931209

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Greider: The rap I've heard from Democrats — liberal, center-of-the-road Democrats in the Senate — goes like this: Clinton ignores his friends and rewards his enemies. What you need to do is stand in his way and make yourself obstreperous, then he'll take care of you.
I'd like for them to give me an example of that. I didn't make any changes not necessary to pass bills. That's the way bills are normally passed. I don't think they can make that case in terms of specific things I've agreed to do.

Greider: But do you hear that complaint face to face from them? It's pretty common on the Hill.
It's frustrating for them, because they thought that they would be in the majority. They thought that people who didn't agree with them would just roll over and vote for their bills, with no changes. There are very few legislative processes that produce no changes in laws. The answer to that was written better than I could ever write it by Richard Rothstein in [the current issue of] American Prospect. That's my answer. Go back, he said, and show me another presidency that got more done for progressive causes in less time. And that's the best I can answer.

Greider: But leave aside whether these folks on the Hill are right or not. The problem you face is one of perception, is it not?
I disagree. What does it cost us? We have all this whining. All I know is, I passed the budget … . What should I do? I should do what these ... That very perception is why we've had irresponsible leadership from presidents for the last 12 years. This was the first budget since Reagan's budget in '81 taken seriously by Congress. Why? If you try to lower the deficit by raising taxes fairly on the wealthy — after they had their taxes lowered — you make them mad, and Republicans say you're raising taxes on the middle class, anyway. If you cut spending, you can't satisfy the conservatives in your own party and the Republicans. They'll always say you're not cutting enough. But talk to [Senate Majority Leader] George Mitchell, and he will show you that Senate Republicans have voted against more specific spending cuts than the Democrats have. They want it all ways. They want to be for general spending cuts but against all the specific ones.

If you put a bill out there, in detail, you know you'll have to change it, because that's part of the process. And then your friends, who'd like it just the way it is, will attack you for changing it. That is what a democracy is all about — working through and getting one more vote than half, in whatever climate you're in, to move the ball forward.

I have taken on issues that other presidents, Democrats and Republicans, have never even thought about taking on. But presidents are not dictators. And you know, if Congressional Quarterly says I'm doing better than anybody since Eisenhower in my first term, that's my only answer. 

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Wenner: I recently reread the interview we did last year at Doe's, and I was struck, by the optimism and the hope in your campaign as it reflected not only the ideals of the '60s generation but the sense you were picking up around the country that people wanted to change. A year later, do you still feel that sense of optimism?
I'm still very optimistic, but change is hard to make and easy to misinterpret. We live in a time when the rough, rubbing sound [rubs his hands together in a gesture of greed] is more prevalent than people taking any kind of pleasure when something good happens. But I'm very, very optimistic. In some ways, I'm as optimistic as I was when we met at Doe's. And I'm frustrated by the change-averse culture of this town and by the way it reverberates out into negativism around the country. I just have to keep working on it. Eventually the results will pile up and pile up and pile up, consequences will ensue, things will change, and people will begin to grow more sunny. That's what I think will happen.

[At this point the formal sit-down interview was concluded, but as Clinton headed to the passage that connected his private dining room to the Oval Office, accompanied by Gergen, Stephanopoulos and several other aides anxious to get him to a meeting with former President Jimmy Carter, former Secretary of State James Baker and others, Greider asked one last question.] 

Greider: Believe it or not, I got a call this morning from a guy whose son was one of your Faces of Hope [one of the citizens Clinton met during the campaign and invited to the inaugural]. He was very dejected, disappointed. I told him I was coming over here to see you, and he said, "Ask him what he's willing to stand up for and die on." I think there's a feeling that —
[The president, standing a foot away from Greider, turned and glared at him.Clinton's face reddened, and his voice rose to a furious pitch as he delivered a scalding rebuke  an angry, emotional presidential encounter, the kind of which few have ever witnessed.]

But that is the press's fault, too, damn it. I have fought more damn battles here for more things than any president has in 20 years, with the possible exception of Reagan's first budget, and not gotten one damn bit of credit from the knee-jerk liberal press, and I am sick and tired of it, and you can put that in the damn article.

I have fought and fought and fought and fought. I get up here every day, and I work till late at night on everything from national service to family leave to the budget to the crime bill and all this stuff, and you guys take it and you say, "Fine, go on to something else, what else can I hit him about?" So if you convince them I don't have any conviction, that's fine, but it's a damn lie. It's a lie.

Look what I did. I said that the wealthy would have to pay their fair share, and look what we did to the tax system. I said that I'd give working families a break, and I did. People with modest incomes, look what's going to happen. Did I get any credit for it, from you or anybody else? Do I care if I get credit? No.

But I do care that that man has a false impression of me because of the way this administration has been covered. It is wrong. That's my answer. It is wrong. I have fought my guts out for that guy, and if he doesn't know it, it's not all my fault. And you get no credit around here for fighting and bleeding. And that's why the know-nothings and the do-nothings and the negative people and the right-wingers always win. Because of the way people like you put questions to people like me. Now, that's the truth, Bill. 

[At this point the president started to walk away but changed his mind and came back, still mad as hell.]

That's why they always win. And they're going to keep winning until somebody tells them the truth, that this administration is killing itself every day to help people like them and making some progress. And if you hold me to an impossible standard and never give us any credit when we're moving forward, then that's exactly what will happen, guys like that will think that. But it ain't all my fault, because we have fought our guts out for 'em. And the bad guys win because they have no objective other than to win. They shift the blame, they never take responsibility. And they play on the cynicism of the media.

That's not what I do. I come to work here every day, and I try to help that guy. And I'm sorry if I'm not very good at communicating, but I haven't gotten a hell of a lot of help since I've been here.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/clinton-rocked-the-vote-now-its-rocking-him-19950223

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Historian Michael Kazin explains that young people look to political personalities who are going to help them in the future: "Clinton seemed like a positive, future-looking force to clean up the mess in 1992, but now. . .the cynicism has deepened." Indeed, some of the most devoted Clintonites — young people who either volunteered for or were eventually hired by the administration in 1992 — are wondering if he has sufficient backbone to merit their continued trust and support. Clinton's need to be "Mr. Consensus Man. . .his inability to tell people, 'Shut up, I'm going to do what I want,'" is his most important failing with her generation, says Greenfield. Twenty-seven-year-old Cari Bradsell, who volunteered for the Clinton campaign in South Carolina, echoes this view, adding that "defending Bill Clinton is getting harder and harder to do." Bradsell worries that as long as Clinton "keeps doing stupid things like his cave-in to Newt [Gingrich] on the middle-class tax cut," her generation will end up living under Republican rule for the next 20 years.

It's not Clinton's agenda for the nation that disappoints these erstwhile supporters but rather his unwillingness to stick to it when the going gets rough. Twenty-six-year-old Sarah Rose, who worked for Clinton and a variety of Florida Democratic candidates in 1992, now worries that the president "doesn't know where he's going. He doesn't seem to have a core. When the issues get tough to defend, he seems to take a dive."

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Of course, not all the Clinton crusaders have become disenchanted. Many loyalists blame anyone but, ticking off "Washington," "special interests" or the "Establishment" as the causes of the president's unpopularity. The most popular villain by far, however, is the media. Ethan Zindler, a 25-year-old Georgetown senior who helped craft Clinton's youth media strategy during the campaign, says that "the media have been unfair" to Clinton. "I worked in national service, and most people don't even know it exists," says Zindler. This has turned off young people who remain unaware of all that Clinton and company have done for them, Zindler says. "It has made me a lot more cynical to see how much he has accomplished and then see the voters kick the crap out of him for 'not getting things done.'"

Twenty-seven-year-old Nancy Bagley, who left a job working for Lorne Michaels at Saturday Night Live for the opportunity to work on the Clinton campaign, shares Zindler's perspective. "I'm angry about the administration's inability to get its message out," says a spirited Bagley. "The climate in Washington was real mean and cruel." Minutes after hanging up, Bagley calls back to say that the very act of writing an article about disaffected twentysomethings in Rolling Stone is an example of media irresponsibility. "Articles like this one," she insists, "are the reason that people my age feel the way they do."

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: doctavius bonbon on April 01, 2016, 09:30:42 PM

:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-03-31/dc-madams-attorney-says-election-bombshell-already-online

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The colorful litigator who represented the late “D.C. madam” Deborah Palfrey and threatened this week to release call logs of his former client that he says are “very relevant” to the 2016 presidential election tells U.S. News those records already are digitized and posted online.

Montgomery Blair Sibley says the records will become public if he fails to reset a 72-hour countdown clock, which could cut short his soft two-week ultimatum for federal courts to consider lifting a 2007 gag order that covers the records, lest he deem that order void.

The countdown clock is a safeguard, Sibley says, that ensures that if he disappears the records will be published. Inevitable release, he says, may also disincentivize violent acts against him to prevent their disclosure.

The records are stored on four servers around the world, Sibley says, and dozens of reporters will receive a website link if the clock is not reset. He says he loaded the information online in January, when he decided to publicly claim the records are relevant to the presidential race.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 09:33:45 PM

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One twentysomething White House aide complains that young people, even more than the rest of the public, "want everything for nothing. They want it all done now, done fast, and they don't want to pay for it. There is no real tolerance or recognition that change is immensely difficult." Twenty-four-year-old Harvard senior Kate Frucher, who was the Clinton campaign's national student coordinator, concedes that no administration could live up to the hype. "We thought our ideas were going to change the world," Frucher says. "But you can't effect that kind of change in a democratic society in just two years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 01, 2016, 09:56:09 PM

World-weary 24 y/o's telling how kids these days be. If I needed that I'd just ask Andrex how his last Pokémon tournament went.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2016, 11:14:44 AM

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Donald J. Trump ✔ ‎@realDonaldTrump
Wisconsin has suffered a great loss of jobs and trade, but if I win, all of the bad things happening in the U.S. will be rapidly reversed!
7:15 AM - 2 Apr 2016

:rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Rufus on April 02, 2016, 12:57:25 PM

The Donald, having a Mexican middle name? :gurl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 02, 2016, 03:02:01 PM

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/716289479879892992

:lol

Well that backfired on Sanders

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on April 02, 2016, 06:26:39 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 02, 2016, 03:02:01 PM

https://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/716289479879892992

:lol

Well that backfired on Sanders

Not really (https://twitter.com/e2ccd6b9d125464/status/716301502692757504). If those dates are right, she's pulling a DNC head bullshit move of putting the debate(s) on a night when most people aren't gonna watch it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 02, 2016, 07:00:36 PM

Do politicians really care about people watching the actual debate?  I thought it was all about the free 2 min clip you get on the news everyday for a week.

And someone on reddit said the debate would be over before the NCAA finals started and the other date had nothing good on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on April 02, 2016, 07:18:00 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 02, 2016, 07:00:36 PM

Do politicians really care about people watching the actual debate?

No, because obviously if people watched them debate they wouldn't get voted for blindly and have HILLDAWG.gif memes made of them. :comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 02, 2016, 11:30:16 PM

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SCOTT ADAMS: So when we have Trump versus Clinton, assuming they get to the final match, it's going to look like mom versus dad. Now, they're not going to say that, but in our minds we're going to start seeing them that way. And the thing about dad is that dad is kind of an a-hole, but if you need dad to take care of some trouble, he's going to be the one you call. You know, if there's a noise downstairs, you probably are not going to call mom, even if she's awesome. You're probably going to call the biggest person in the room, you're going to call dad. So in our irrational minds, if the world is exploding and we're still talking about nuclear terrorism, I think people are going to say, maybe you want the most dangerous person to protect us. If people are saying things are looking pretty good right now, the economy's not so bad, all I need is a sandwich and a hug, maybe mom looks better. So I think people end up talking about the issues and then ignoring them and it's these big, just feelings that they have about the candidates that are going to rule in the end.

 :cmonson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 02, 2016, 11:39:58 PM

dad

:milo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: thisismyusername on April 03, 2016, 12:46:03 AM

LMAO. He's such a piece of shit. :lol I don't even like Hillary, but goddamn if he isn't totally playing that sexism card like it's going out of style.

She won't nuke the shit out of people like Trump, really? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on April 03, 2016, 02:26:16 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on April 02, 2016, 07:18:00 PM

No, because obviously if people watched them debate they wouldn't get voted for blindly and have HILLDAWG.gif memes made of them. :comeon

They've had a ton of debates, which have drawn more viewers than the Dem debates in '08.

He lost cause more voters preferred Clinton.  It happens.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: thisismyusername on April 03, 2016, 09:42:09 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 03, 2016, 02:26:16 AM

They've had a ton of debates, which have drawn more viewers than the Dem debates in '08.

He lost cause more voters preferred Clinton.  It happens.

WHOOSH.

I'm not talking about Sanders/Clinton. I'm talking about the shady bullshit both parties do in regards to scheduling debates on dates where most people probably aren't gonna be paying attention to make sure most folks aren't getting their messages so they are blindly voted on. It's just this year the DNC have wanted to try to "hide" their debates really hard on nights (you think most folks are gonna be inside on Saturday night with a TV? :comeon ).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: octopushover on April 03, 2016, 10:50:08 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on April 03, 2016, 09:42:09 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 03, 2016, 02:26:16 AM

They've had a ton of debates, which have drawn more viewers than the Dem debates in '08.

He lost cause more voters preferred Clinton.  It happens.

WHOOSH.

I'm not talking about Sanders/Clinton. I'm talking about the shady bullshit both parties do in regards to scheduling debates on dates where most people probably aren't gonna be paying attention to make sure most folks aren't getting their messages so they are blindly voted on. It's just this year the DNC have wanted to try to "hide" their debates really hard on nights (you think most folks are gonna be inside on Saturday night with a TV? :comeon ).

i guarantee you could find a reason to discredit just about any date in april that's more compelling than "it's a few days before taxes are due!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 03, 2016, 10:51:12 AM

"they proposed that date in bad faith, that's international pancake day!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 03, 2016, 10:52:30 AM

"nope, that's competing with the season finale of ice road truckers. sorry hrc can't weasel your way out of this one."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 03, 2016, 01:05:44 PM

This shit in Nevada seems so fucky

http://usuncut.com/politics/bernie-wins-nevada-democratic-caucus/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 03, 2016, 01:29:12 PM

As far as I understood it (poorly, as a foreigner) nothing the Sanders people did was technically against the rules. Still maybe not the best image to project for your campaign.

I understand there's a big "state particularism" going on in the US but honestly the primaries system seems to be completely out of whack to a foreigner, with all the different modes (caucus, open and closed primary with weird delegate fuckery on top) thrown in. Seems counterproductive with gauging popularity evenly across the country among party supporters and / or the general public while favoring whoever is more versed in the arcane party bullshit like in this case.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: Mandark on April 03, 2016, 04:19:48 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on April 03, 2016, 09:42:09 AM

I'm talking about the shady bullshit both parties do in regards to scheduling debates on dates where most people probably aren't gonna be paying attention to make sure most folks aren't getting their messages so they are blindly voted on. It's just this year the DNC have wanted to try to "hide" their debates really hard on nights (you think most folks are gonna be inside on Saturday night with a TV? :comeon ).

Two out of eight Dem debates were on a Saturday.  The rest were on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Sunday.

A persecution complex isn't a good look this season.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 03, 2016, 09:07:44 PM

No one is watching the Dem debates because Hillary and Bernie don't get into literal dick measuring contests and talk about nuking the shit out of Iran on Day 1.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 03, 2016, 10:39:38 PM

Wikileaks apparently got a hold of 2+ TB and 11 million documents from a Panama law firm that specializes in offshoring.  It's already hit Putin, FIFA, and the Iceland PM.

Quote from: VomKriege on April 03, 2016, 01:29:12 PM

As far as I understood it (poorly, as a foreigner) nothing the Sanders people did was technically against the rules. Still maybe not the best image to project for your campaign.

I understand there's a big "state particularism" going on in the US but honestly the primaries system seems to be completely out of whack to a foreigner, with all the different modes (caucus, open and closed primary with weird delegate fuckery on top) thrown in. Seems counterproductive with gauging popularity evenly across the country among party supporters and / or the general public while favoring whoever is more versed in the arcane party bullshit like in this case.

Caucuses tend to reward the candidates with the most energized base.  For Democrats, it's Sanders; for Republicans, it's Cruz.

Having participated in caucuses, I would much rather have a primary where I can just fill out a ballot instead.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| "I only know what's on the internet."
Post by: curly on April 03, 2016, 11:28:45 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 03, 2016, 04:19:48 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on April 03, 2016, 09:42:09 AM

I'm talking about the shady bullshit both parties do in regards to scheduling debates on dates where most people probably aren't gonna be paying attention to make sure most folks aren't getting their messages so they are blindly voted on. It's just this year the DNC have wanted to try to "hide" their debates really hard on nights (you think most folks are gonna be inside on Saturday night with a TV? :comeon ).

Two out of eight Dem debates were on a Saturday.  The rest were on Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Sunday.

A persecution complex isn't a good look this season.

Yeah because having a quarter of your debates on a night where no one watches TV is really good politics.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Sausage on April 03, 2016, 11:48:56 PM

The Sunday debate was during an NFL playoff game so that's another bad day.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 03, 2016, 11:54:24 PM

Quote from: Sausage on April 03, 2016, 11:48:56 PM

The Sunday debate was during an NFL playoff game so that's another bad day.

No it wasn't.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2016, 11:59:29 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 03, 2016, 11:54:24 PM

Quote from: Sausage on April 03, 2016, 11:48:56 PM

The Sunday debate was during an NFL playoff game so that's another bad day.

No it wasn't.

Dunno which sunday he's referring to but yes they did schedule during a playoff game

https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/01/15/democrats-debate-during-nfl-playoff-game-downton-abbey/t2tr6YCcVSBFWxohQdC0zJ/story.html

Previous debate scheduling was indeed terrible.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2016, 12:10:27 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 03, 2016, 11:59:29 PM

yes they did schedule during a playoff game

Nope.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 04, 2016, 09:45:22 AM

I'm just wounded PD thinks I'd post that without having double-checked it first.  It aired the same day as SEA-CAR and DEN-PIT, but the games were finished well before the debate started.  You can google the Nielsen ratings for that night if you want (ironically the game was up against Madam Secretary), but all Sunday NFL playoff games before the conference championships start in the afternoon.

There's also something all four Saturday debates (two for each party) have in common this cycle, if anyone wants to guess what that is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 04, 2016, 10:06:27 AM

They all happened on a Saturday.  Where is my prize.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2016, 10:27:46 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 04, 2016, 09:45:22 AM

I'm just wounded PD thinks I'd post that without having double-checked it first.  It aired the same day as SEA-CAR and DEN-PIT, but the games were finished well before the debate started.  You can google the Nielsen ratings for that night if you want (ironically the game was up against Madam Secretary), but all Sunday NFL playoff games before the conference championships start in the afternoon.

There's also something all four Saturday debates (two for each party) have in common this cycle, if anyone wants to guess what that is.

Ls are the currency standard of the Bore, I was just trying to collect. But it looks like I took an L instead.
:stahp

I was thinking "wow, I remember watching the game that night and maybe watching 10 minutes of the debate...."thinking they were at the same time. But yea, same day different times. What's throwing me off most likely: short winter days, so it was probably dark at 5PM and I remember it as 8PM.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: james on April 04, 2016, 11:08:12 AM

I looked at my predict-it for the first time in a month and my Trump shares are down by 50%?

What the flying fuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Syph on April 04, 2016, 12:03:32 PM

Quote from: james on April 04, 2016, 11:08:12 AM

I looked at my predict-it for the first time in a month and my Trump shares are down by 50%?

What the flying fuck

It's cause of the "first ballot or bust" for Trump scenario picking up steam

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: james on April 04, 2016, 12:06:54 PM

Quote from: Syph on April 04, 2016, 12:03:32 PM

Quote from: james on April 04, 2016, 11:08:12 AM

I looked at my predict-it for the first time in a month and my Trump shares are down by 50%?

What the flying fuck

It's cause of the "first ballot or bust" for Trump scenario picking up steam

Fuck Nate Silver.

I cant take a two week break from Trump without that ass fucking up my investment.

For fucks sake.

What will i tell my kids once Christmas comes and daddys big payday was cancelled?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 04, 2016, 12:27:03 PM

Tell them daddy can't make America great again.  No one can.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 04, 2016, 03:33:00 PM

tell them it's a good thing bernie sanders is going to raise minimum wage to $15 so you can afford both smokes AND cereal

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: The Sceneman on April 04, 2016, 09:09:58 PM

https://amp.twimg.com/v/1d8ca60b-fd6f-4152-9753-4c9356eeb9bc

:rofl

edit: actually realised this video isnt a parody, I pray for Jesus and America :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: tiesto on April 04, 2016, 09:50:14 PM

Quote from: The Sceneman on April 04, 2016, 09:09:58 PM

https://amp.twimg.com/v/1d8ca60b-fd6f-4152-9753-4c9356eeb9bc

:rofl

edit: actually realised this video isnt a parody, I pray for Jesus and America :usacry

A Trump presidency would be even worse than the ME3 ending...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 04, 2016, 10:02:36 PM

:drudge

Donald Trump skips grandson’s bris to remain on campaign trail
http://www.jta.org/2016/04/04/news-opinion/politics/donald-trump-skips-grandsons-bris-to-remain-on-campaign-trail

spoiler (click to show/hide)

for Benji (and Mandark)

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Curtis Dran
for someone thet liberal jews claim does not like Jews, trump has more Jewish grandkids than most jewish liberals and 2 of his kids were married under a chuppa again more than most liberal jewish kids do

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 11:30:49 AM

To be fair, watching someone get their foreskin cut off is gross. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 05, 2016, 11:41:15 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 05, 2016, 11:30:49 AM

To be fair, watching someone get their foreskin cut off is gross. 

Even Moses was like "Yo, this shit is wack."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 05, 2016, 12:09:59 PM

Guess what, turns out Bernie Sanders doesn't know much about how he would go about breaking up the big banks, and doesn't seem to know much about the topic in general.  Not surprising since "breaking up the banks" isn't really a policy, it just sounds nice.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306 (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 05, 2016, 12:43:07 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 05, 2016, 11:30:49 AM

To be fair, watching someone get their foreskin cut off is gross.

oh, dandy, i'm pretty sure i've seen you post a gif of it in the nsfw thread though.

you can't hide from me.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/5xaOcLCkJgPvFc2EOWc/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 12:59:04 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 05, 2016, 12:09:59 PM

Guess what, turns out Bernie Sanders doesn't know much about how he would go about breaking up the big banks, and doesn't seem to know much about the topic in general.  Not surprising since "breaking up the banks" isn't really a policy, it just sounds nice.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306 (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306)

I'm not sure that is very abnormal - I doubt most candidates have a specific plan of for most of their policies.  And he said now he will do it first off the bat, by passing legislation, the form of which is basically completely dictated on what can be negotiated at a later point in time, so giving specifics now just sets him up, or any politician, for failure.   

My guess is the combative nature of the interview (and I'm not saying that's a bad thing) put him off his toes.       

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 05, 2016, 01:41:09 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 05, 2016, 12:09:59 PM

Guess what, turns out Bernie Sanders doesn't know much about how he would go about breaking up the big banks, and doesn't seem to know much about the topic in general.  Not surprising since "breaking up the banks" isn't really a policy, it just sounds nice.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306 (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306)

His free college plan is also pretty bonkers. Wants states to foot a third of the bill, and that's even assuming the fed gets all the money he wants from wall street without totally fucking the economy in the process. Yeah that'll go over well in all those red states clinging to meager medicare scraps already...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 05, 2016, 01:52:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 05, 2016, 12:09:59 PM

Guess what, turns out Bernie Sanders doesn't know much about how he would go about breaking up the big banks, and doesn't seem to know much about the topic in general.  Not surprising since "breaking up the banks" isn't really a policy, it just sounds nice.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306 (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306)

It illustrates the core problem with any big issue that Washington tries to tackle. The President calls upon 'experts' to help guide him and all those experts are people that have been involved in banking industry for 30+ years and have financial/political ties all over the place.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: brob on April 05, 2016, 02:38:33 PM

he wouldn't have this issue if his platform was nationalizing the banks. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 05, 2016, 02:47:26 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 05, 2016, 12:09:59 PM

Guess what, turns out Bernie Sanders doesn't know much about how he would go about breaking up the big banks, and doesn't seem to know much about the topic in general.  Not surprising since "breaking up the banks" isn't really a policy, it just sounds nice.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306 (http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-editorial-board-article-1.2588306)

The bit about the banks is vague and that's not good, but on a quick glance the most damning part for me was the "international trade agreements" that he wants to renegotiate. I'm totally OK with the sentiment that there should be more consideration in international agreement for worker's protection, but changing any of the existing infrastructure is a huge ordeal for which you need to have an actual game plan.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 03:01:18 PM

Quote from: brob on April 05, 2016, 02:38:33 PM

he wouldn't have this issue if his platform was nationalizing the banks. :doge

I honestly don't understand why commercial and retail banks are not nationalized.   They are basically necessities to modern living and should not be in the hands of business. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 03:10:42 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-calls-shutting-down-ny-nuke-plant  :piss2 :piss2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 05, 2016, 03:33:52 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 05, 2016, 01:52:42 PM

It illustrates the core problem with any big issue that Washington tries to tackle. The President calls upon 'experts' to help guide him and all those experts are people that have been involved in banking industry for 30+ years and have financial/political ties all over the place.

Are the council of economic advisors shills? What about the federal reserve? The american economic association?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 05, 2016, 03:39:59 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 05, 2016, 03:10:42 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/bernie-sanders-calls-shutting-down-ny-nuke-plant  :piss2 :piss2

"That is why the United States must lead the world in transforming our energy system away from nuclear power"

 :comeon

Quote

Sanders is the only candidate in either party who wants to end nuclear energy production, which currently accounts for 20% of U.S. electrical generation.

Good luck. :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 03:51:02 PM

Honestly, I'm pretty pronuclear and always get my titties in a twist when someone mentions nuclear waste as unenvironmental or dangerous.     

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: mormapope on April 05, 2016, 03:52:31 PM

Why didn't you quote the full paragraph?  :lol

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“Even in a perfect world where energy companies didn’t make mistakes, nuclear power is and always has been a dangerous idea because there is no good way to store nuclear waste,” Sanders said. “That is why the United States must lead the world in transforming our energy system away from nuclear power and fossil fuels.”

This is a good point. Unless you doubt what nuclear waste could do and cause.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 04:11:07 PM

Yep.  There are a thousand fears about it - most of which are dumb.  There is no difference between man made and natural radioactivity.  You are just digging up some scattered radio active materials that are all over the place and putting them in one place slightly transformed.  Also the vast majority of radio active waste has a very short half life, with only a small percentage of it lasting for 10s of thousands of years. 

Yes there are environmental issues with digging it up, and putting it in one place, but its so much less damaging and dangerous than burning coal or gas which account for like 60% of U.S. energy. 

There are very rational fears of power plants being close to city centers and being outdated, both of which can easily be solved with money.  You don't want one close to your city?  Pay the extra money for increased transition costs/losses.  You don't want outdated plans?  update them. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 05, 2016, 04:17:19 PM

Axing a power plant which provides 25% of electricity to NYC without stating how he'd make up that deficit sounds pretty similar to Bernie's other plans tbh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 04:24:35 PM

I'll tell you how he'd pay for it. He'd raise taxes on millionahs and billionahs to pay for the construction of more wind and solar energy.

derp derp derp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 05, 2016, 04:52:07 PM

The Panama Papers could hand Bernie Sanders the keys to the White House (http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/the-panama-papers-could-hand-bernie-sanders-the-keys-to-the-white-house-a6969481.html)

(https://i.imgur.com/E55iDOt.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Brehvolution on April 05, 2016, 04:59:54 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/aaxYBuM.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 05:05:22 PM

Pretending Jesus didn't love figs is sacrilegious.  Dude came from one of the biggest fig producing regions of world.  They are just nuts for figs over there.     

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 05, 2016, 05:49:22 PM

Trump campaign in disarray (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-campaign-staff-disarray-221557)

+

Trump is in trouble in Wisconsin (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-is-in-trouble-in-wisconsin-221552?lo=ap_a1)

+

‘It Was Riotous’: An Oral History of the GOP’s Last Open Convention (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/1976-convention-oral-history-213793)

=

:aah

Could all of this + his abortion comments last week finally sink Trump?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 06:13:34 PM

Honestly, I'd rather have Trump than Cruz. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 05, 2016, 06:14:44 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 05, 2016, 06:13:34 PM

Honestly, I'd rather have Trump than Cruz.

Trump is the weaker candidate and much less rigid about conservative policies, but I still don't trust him with nukes and his rhetoric is outright dangerous. They're both pretty awful.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2016, 06:19:50 PM

Cruz is scary cause he's so doctrinaire.  Trump is scary cause he's undeterred by existing norms or by his own staggering ignorance.  For me it's a coin toss who'd be worse as president and I'd rather not get any hard data on it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 06:26:49 PM

I'd imagine a Trump presidency could quickly end in some type of intervention to remove him from office, whereas Cruz seems smart enough to simply use the House/senate majority as best he can while backing off from some of his crazier views. As an example there's no way a President Cruz would refuse to raise the debt ceiling, for instance.

Therefore I'd fear a Cruz presidency more solely because it would last 4 years and he could get a lot of ugly stuff accomplished.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 05, 2016, 07:07:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 06:26:49 PM

he could get a lot of ugly stuff accomplished.

This.  Trump won't get anything domestic done and I think the life time bureaucrats in the international departments and organizations will keep him inline regarding international issues. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 08:21:26 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/04/hillary_is_sick_of_the_left_why_bernies_persistence_is_a_powerful_reminder_of_clintons_troubling_centrism/

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According to the British website, PoliticalCompass.org, which measures political ideology on a multi-axis model, based on social and economic beliefs, Sanders is the true moderate of the 2016 primaries, while Clinton is a both economically and socially on the center-right, and Republican candidates are on the far right. Sanders’ “economics are Keynesian or Galbraithian,” explains the website, “in common with mainstream parties of the left in the rest of the west  — the Labour or Social Democrat parties.”

Sanders is symbolic of a left-wing resurgence, and he has certainly made Clinton’s life harder with his impressive grassroots campaign. But the left has always been repelled by the Clintons, with or without Bernie. Ever since Bill and Hillary skyrocketed to political stardom in the early ’90s and helped transform American liberalism, those on the left have regarded them both as unprincipled careerists who are willing to say just about anything to get elected. President Clinton’s administration frequently proved this to be the case, and there is little reason to think Hillary Clinton, who has shifted her rhetoric to the left during the primaries, won’t revert back to the center-right when all is said and done.

The difference between today and the ’90s, however, is that the left is no longer in its last throes, as it was when the Clintons emerged as America’s most powerful couple. With the fall of communism and the global triumph of corporate capitalism, along with the Reagan/Thatcher counterrevolutions, the left — which had become disillusioned and divided (i.e. new left vs old left) — was in no shape to stand up to the tide of reaction. Moreover, when Reagan entered office, economic inequality was close to all time lows, after decades of New Deal liberalism. Today, after nearly 40 years of neoliberalism, economic inequality has returned to historic levels and American militarism has created a dangerously unstable world. Politics have changed with the times, and the American left, politically relevant again, is very much determined to prevent another Clinton administration.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 05, 2016, 08:22:32 PM

Trump has cratered; a month ago, I'd tell you he had this shit locked up, but it's increasingly looking like he won't have the 1237 delegates he needs to secure the nomination on the first ballot at the convention, and that there now exists a willingness in the party to go through a "brokered" convention and give the nomination to someone else. I'm not sure who that someone is. It's nuts, Trump is losing due to shitty management (not knowing how to wrangle delegates at county/state conventions) and the narrowed field looks to finally slow his momentum enough to keep him away from the nomination.

All of this, of course, is good news for people who don't want to see a Republican president.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 08:38:48 PM

Dunno, I haven't parsed the delegate math (lol) but I remember someone saying if he wins California by 7+ he can get back on the path to 1237. Polls show him up around that much in California right now.

The Chicago rally/riot really sparked the beginning of the end, if he loses the nom. I remember him being quite reserved in the debate that happened right before that rally. He seemed to be trying to move into general election phase and calm down GOP power brokers. But that rally pulled him into some crazy fuckery and he never let go lol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 08:39:12 PM

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Donald Trump has been taking heat for saying that he plans to pay off the entire $19 trillion national debt in eight years while at the same time promising a massive tax cut that would cost $12 trillion and calling for budget-busting spending programs.

Trump told radio host Joe Pags over the weekend that he will do this by putting the squeeze on Japan and appointing “great people” to cut the budget of each federal department “2 or 3 percent.” Such a plan, Trump said, would be “very easy” to pull off.

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“It’s possible that if Japan doesn’t want to pay up, we’ll say, ‘Good luck and defend yourself,’” he said. “If that means they’re going to have to arm in some way, they’re going to have to arm in some way. We can’t afford to — we’re paying for the military of Japan. And every time this maniac in North Korea — and it’s a bigger problem for them than it is for us, frankly — every time this maniac in North Korea raises his head, we start doubling up. At one point do people take care of us? We’re a debtor nation. Our country is falling apart. Our infrastructure is dying. We owe all of those trillions of dollars. $19, it’s going to be $21 very soon with that stupid budget that was just passed three months ago, the omnibus budget, at what point do we say, ‘Enough, enough’?”

He predicted that the Japanese government would eventually acquiesce to President Trump’s demand to “pay much more money” for military protection and that Saudi Arabia would also pay up: “They don’t like us so much and you know what, with me, they’re going to like us and they’re going to pay more and they’re going to be very happy, okay?”

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Warning that companies are outsourcing all of America’s jobs, Trump said that “we’re not going to have anything left and I know how to stop it in two seconds.”

“I know how to fix it, so easy, that aspect of it,” Trump continued. “And even, you know, the nuclear. I am doing so good on nuclear by people that are fair. What’s happening now is we’re paying for the world’s — we’re like the world’s policeman but they don’t pay us for it. We lose a fortune on the military. You know, our military budget is phenomenally higher than any other budget but it’s not for us, we’re protecting everybody else and we lose a fortune. Frankly, Joe, we lose a fortune on everything we do and we have to make our country strong financially again and if we don’t do that we’re never going to have a strong country again. And I’ll save Social Security. I’ll save things that everyone else says can’t be saved because I’ll bring back all of this money that we’re wasting on other countries.”

“We’re going to have a country like you wouldn’t believe,” he said.

:rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Brehvolution on April 05, 2016, 08:45:36 PM

 :lol

Bring 'em all home, Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 05, 2016, 08:48:38 PM

Quote

“We’re going to have a country like you wouldn’t believe,” he said.

I don't doubt that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Trent Dole on April 05, 2016, 08:51:19 PM

A shame dude's literally a fascist, I actually like some of his other ideas. :-[

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Syph on April 05, 2016, 08:52:18 PM

What if
contested convention
Paul Ryan
then
VP
Mitt Romney
 :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 08:57:44 PM

I'm gonna be bummed if he's not the nominee. Cruz is boring and creeps people out so much I'll probably feel bad for him by September when he's down 5-10 points. But watching Trump implode and bring the GOP down with him will be entertaining. Even more entertaining: Obama, Bill, and Biden going around the country ethering him.
:lawd

There is no worry about playing the "race card" with him. You can outright call him a bigot and racist. The thought of Obama going on some late night show and just bodying Trump with back handed fuckery.
:lawd

The goal should be to bait Trump into calling him the n-word.
:lawd

Actually Ether isn't even a good example. It's gonna be a celebration of dissing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0UPhZk7mG0
(http://i.imgur.com/BfuSjR2.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:00:47 PM

The Trump and Cruz delegates will have to agree to waive/change the RNC's anti-Ron Paul rule. No one's name can be placed in nomination unless they've won eight states in the primaries.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Syph on April 05, 2016, 09:03:43 PM

suppose a Cruz/Walker ticket
hmm :letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: thisismyusername on April 05, 2016, 09:05:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 04:24:35 PM

I'll tell you how he'd pay for it. He'd raise taxes on millionahs and billionahs to pay for the construction of more wind and solar energy.

derp derp derp

I don't see a problem with that. :yeshrug Only ones that would be opposed are the very people that need to be taxed, IMO.

Frankly, we should be looking at renewable over Nuke anyway. There's a shit load of desert that could be used to power certain cities in the west. The East Coast is the problem, especially with the midwest Tornados but surely there's a solution to ween off Nuke and Coal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2016, 09:09:36 PM

It's not impossible for it to go to a third candidate coming out of the convention, but reaaaaallllly hard for me to imagine.

During the convention, the delegates and the members of the rules committee will be the ones with the power, not an abstract version of "the party" or "elites" or whatever.  Trump's campaign might be slacking on the delegate stuff, but in this scenario you'd need either 1) 1237 delegates (the vast majority of whom will be committed to Trump/Cruz on the first ballot) that will be willing to support Ryan/Romney/Haley/whoever, or 2) Trump or Cruz to back down and throw their support to another candidate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:13:02 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on April 05, 2016, 09:05:49 PM

Frankly, we should be looking at renewable over Nuke anyway. There's a shit load of desert that could be used to power certain cities in the west. The East Coast is the problem, especially with the midwest Tornados but surely there's a solution to ween off Nuke and Coal.

The nuclear is probably the best option for providing a baseload I would assume.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 05, 2016, 09:13:25 PM

Some of the reporting I've read says that some of those "Trump delegates" may be people who will only be predisposed to support him on the first ballot as they're bound to, and afterwards will support someone (Cruz? Ryan? the corpse of Ronald Reagan?) the party backs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 05, 2016, 09:16:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:00:47 PM

The Trump and Cruz delegates will have to agree to waive/change the RNC's anti-Ron Paul rule. No one's name can be placed in nomination unless they've won eight states in the primaries.

The RNC will just change the rules again and fuck Cruz and Trump out of the nomination the way they did Ron Paul.  :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:16:52 PM

A certain number of the delegates are merely local/state/county/etc. party bigwigs getting a ticket to attend the convention, and in return they just agree to vote for who they're bound to. So it is difficult to know how many of Trump's delegates are those and how many are actual backers. Especially since a lot of the delegates aren't even named yet, they're just in theory allocated.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2016, 09:17:37 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 05, 2016, 09:13:25 PM

Some of the reporting I've read says that some of those "Trump delegates" may be people who will only be predisposed to support him on the first ballot as they're bound to, and afterwards will support someone (Cruz? Ryan? the corpse of Ronald Reagan?) the party backs.

Yeah, the delegate selection process apparently differs from state to state, and the Cruz people reportedly have their shit together way more than the Trump people.  So "bound" delegates are only bound on the first ballot, or first three, or whatever, and after that it matters who those people are.  Could be actual Trump supporters, or Cruz supporters, or GOP establishment people.

You'd need relatively few defectors to throw a convention from Trump to Cruz.  You'd need a TON of party operatives defecting from both camps to get to a third candidate, and you'd need control of the rules committee to boot.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 05, 2016, 09:33:47 PM

So now Trump needs 57% of the remaining delegates. It might be smarter of him to just cut out and start the 3rd party run. He's not dumb enough to think he's going to have any chance if it goes to the convention.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:37:54 PM

An independent/third-party bid would just prove he's been a Democratic plant all along.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 05, 2016, 09:42:13 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 05, 2016, 09:33:47 PM

So now Trump needs 57% of the remaining delegates. It might be smarter of him to just cut out and start the 3rd party run. He's not dumb enough to think he's going to have any chance if it goes to the convention.

He should be preparing and making contingency plans, but he should absolutely go to the convention.

He'll almost definitely have the most votes and most delegates or any Republican candidate.  If he doesn't get the nomination, he can launch an independent campaign as the rightful winner who was denied by cheaters and losers, rather than the guy who just dropped out rather than fight.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:48:51 PM

I can't imagine why Trump would want to run with a loser independent campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 05, 2016, 11:19:21 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 05, 2016, 09:42:13 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 05, 2016, 09:33:47 PM

So now Trump needs 57% of the remaining delegates. It might be smarter of him to just cut out and start the 3rd party run. He's not dumb enough to think he's going to have any chance if it goes to the convention.

He should be preparing and making contingency plans, but he should absolutely go to the convention.

He'll almost definitely have the most votes and most delegates or any Republican candidate.  If he doesn't get the nomination, he can launch an independent campaign as the rightful winner who was denied by cheaters and losers, rather than the guy who just dropped out rather than fight.

Actually, I didn't take the drama created into account. This makes sense. You're right.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 11:21:18 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:48:51 PM

I can't imagine why Trump would want to run with a loser independent campaign.

Pure spite to ensure the illegitimate GOP nominee loses?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: doctavius bonbon on April 05, 2016, 11:43:28 PM

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/717549266894336000

Dumbshits, god damn.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: brawndolicious on April 05, 2016, 11:52:05 PM

Trump would totally do an independent run......and even better I'd expect him to rerun in 2020 as an even more established "outsider".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 01:00:15 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 05, 2016, 11:21:18 PM

Pure spite to ensure the illegitimate GOP nominee loses?

It'd be easier to just endorse them and say more and increasingly insane things than to mount an independent bid.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2016, 01:05:40 AM

Why assume Trump believes he would lose?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 01:23:04 AM

It may just be me, but his campaign doesn't seem like the type to already be gathering signatures and preparing to actually go to court to get on the ballot after the RNC.

Dropping now though does has the advantage of the Constitution Party's nomination and ballot lines.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 01:31:29 AM

July 21st: RNC ends
July 23rd: Washington
July 25th: Missouri
August 1st: Arkansas, Kansas, Maine, Maryland, Nebraska, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Vermont, West Virginia
August 2nd: Massachusetts, Wisconsin (South Dakota has clear sore loser law)
August 10th: Alaska, Colorado, Connecticut, Hawai'i, New Hampshire, Ohio, D.C.
August 12th: California
August 15th: Utah
August 17th: Montana
August 18th: Alabama, Tennessee
August 19th: Iowa, Louisiana
August 23rd: Minnesota, New York
August 24th: Idaho
August 26th: Virginia
August 30th: Oregon, Wyoming
September 5th: North Dakota
September 9th: Arizona, Kentucky, Mississippi, Rhode Island

And he'll get challenged in about 95% of these states because they have sore loser laws (45/50 total states), in which despite existing precedents (mostly by the LaRouche people) apparently don't always mean anything if 2012 was any example.

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In order to get on the ballot nationwide, it is estimated that an independent presidential candidate in 2016 would need to collect more than 880,000 signatures. California is expected to require independent candidates to collect 178,039 signatures, more than any other state. Tennessee is expected to require 275 signatures, fewer than any other state.

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In some states, a prospective independent presidential candidate can more easily access the ballot by forming a new single-state minor party or affiliating with an existing one. If a candidate were to opt for this hybrid method of ballot access, the total number of required signatures would drop significantly. According to ballot access expert Richard Winger, it is easier for a candidate to run with a new single-state party than as an independent candidate in the following states: Arizona, Delaware, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, Mississippi, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas, and Vermont.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 01:55:00 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/donald-trump-campaign-staff-disarray-221557

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Since March, the [Trump] campaign has been laying off field staff en masse around the country and has dismantled much of what existed of its organizations in general-election battlegrounds, including Florida and Ohio.

Last month, the campaign laid off the leader of its data team, Matt Braynard, who did not train a successor. It elevated his No. 2, a data engineer with little prior high-level political strategy experience, and also shifted some of his team’s duties to a 2015 college graduate whose last job was an internship with the consumer products company Colgate-Palmolive. Some of the campaign’s data remains inaccessible.

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At the moment, though, Trump’s team appears to be something of a patchwork group without much experience—partly because so many staffers are being fired.

Only four of 11 Iowa staffers continued on after Trump lost that state’s caucuses in February. More recently, most of Trump’s South Carolina, Florida and Ohio teams have not had their contracts renewed, according to a person familiar with the campaign, who said the lack of organization in Florida was putting Trump at a disadvantage in the delegate selection process.

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Multiple staffers and advisors left the campaign last month in protest of the way its management was treating its staff, a source familiar with the departures told POLITICO.

“I believe that Donald Trump has the backbone to fix this country, but if changes are not made soon at the top I am fairly convinced that he will lose,” said one of the people who left the campaign. The person said morale among the campaign staff is sinking, attributing that to the layoffs, as well as Lewandowski’s profanity-laced outburst on campaign calls.

“I don’t think Mr. Trump knows what’s happening on his campaign,” the person said, adding “everyone is in astonishment of what’s going on. It’s almost like they’re sabotaging themselves.”

(Lewandowski said that “never once” has anyone on the campaign complained to him about his cursing or management style.)

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There is also mounting evidence that the Trump campaign’s lack of organization is hurting him in the critical fight for delegates that is playing out at the state level. After winning Louisiana, Trump was surprised to learn that he failed to secure as many delegates there as Cruz and has threatened to sue.

And last weekend in Colorado, Trump was shut out as Ted Cruz secured all six of the delegates elected at two congressional district assemblies that were held a week ahead of the state GOP convention, where the delegation’s remaining 27 delegates will be elected Saturday.

At the assembly in Denver, Trump seemed to have as many or more supporters show up than Cruz. But they didn’t have a plan. The Cruz campaign, meanwhile, encouraged its supporters to unite behind a slate of delegates, enabling the Texas senator to win all three delegate slots from the district (the same situation played out later Saturday afternoon at the other assembly in Aurora).

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/sanders-reshapes-obamas-2016-plans-221560

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Aides had expected the primary race to be wrapping up by this point, according to White House sources, and for Obama to be gearing up for a series of big unity rallies to urge Sanders supporters to get excited about Hillary Clinton.

Instead, Sanders is expected to win Wisconsin on Tuesday, and has the money and support to keep going as long as he wants and no Democratic Party loyalty or elder statesman to urge him to step back. That’s forcing the White House to recalibrate its political plans, delaying the opportunity for Obama to hit the campaign trail and capitalize on public approval levels unseen since his re-election campaign.

“At the appropriate time, the president will play a role,” said one person familiar with the thinking. “Obviously we couldn’t predict exactly when that would be. We still can’t predict that right now.”

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White House aides are eager for the president to get out and show off what he can do on the trail. But Obama, who wasn’t eager to turn over attention to the next Democratic nominee and settle in to a lame duck glide path, isn’t exactly complaining about the delay.

“It’s lengthening the period of time when he can be president,” the person familiar with the Obama thinking explained. “There is an unplanned benefit.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2016, 04:07:39 AM

Okay, but will Trump see that as an insurmountable obstacle, and what's he going to hear from his chosen advisers?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 04:46:55 AM

He may balk at actually having to spend his own money.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Dennis on April 06, 2016, 08:44:11 AM

It is fascinating to see how many Democrats despise Hillary Clinton and vote for Sanders even though he can't win.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mupepe on April 06, 2016, 09:26:15 AM

Quote from: Dennis on April 06, 2016, 08:44:11 AM

It is fascinating to see how many Democrats despise Hillary Clinton and vote for Sanders even though he can't win.

Why is that fascinating in a primary?  It's not as if they're writing him in for the GE. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 09:28:10 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on April 06, 2016, 09:26:15 AM

Why is that fascinating in a primary?  It's not as if they're writing him in for the GE.

Right on, they're voting Trump.

 :american Make America Great Again. :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 09:29:29 AM

Quote from: Dufus on April 06, 2016, 09:22:22 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/06/us/politics/democratic-primary-results.html

the pic in this article of hillary holding that baby :sabu

DON'T LET HER EAT ME :brazilcry

secret service guy doesn't seem too pleased about it either:

(https://static01.nyt.com/images/2016/04/06/us/06DEMSjp2/06DEMSjp2-articleLarge.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 06, 2016, 11:40:02 AM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on April 05, 2016, 11:43:28 PM

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/717549266894336000

Dumbshits, god damn.

POLITICAL REVOLUTIONARIES.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 06, 2016, 11:42:14 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 06, 2016, 01:05:40 AM

Why assume Trump believes he would lose?

It's pretty well known now he never expected to be in it this long.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 06, 2016, 12:03:24 PM

Just at the mere hint that Paul Ryan might be angling to step in as a candidate at the convention, Breitbart this week has run stories interviewing someone whose kid was killed by an illegal immigrant to paint Ryan as soft on immigration, another that painted him as soft on trade, and most bizarre of all, alleged that "as a result of unbridled Muslim migration into the United States, more than 2,100 U.S. girls in Wisconsin — the state represented by Ryan — are at-risk of suffering the anti-Western practice Female Genital Mutilation, according to the Population Reference Bureau (PRB)."

And it's only April, and Ryan has repeatedly denied wanting the nomination.

The fuckery that is coming, brehs.

:rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 12:08:24 PM

When Paul Ryan isn't conservative enough for you :beli

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 06, 2016, 12:21:23 PM

The fuckery when it turns out to be Mitt Romney 3.0 riding to the rescue. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 06, 2016, 02:00:36 PM

Herman Cain is still available and taking phone calls. Especially if she is an old lady friend.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: james on April 06, 2016, 03:12:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 09:16:52 PM

A certain number of the delegates are merely local/state/county/etc. party bigwigs getting a ticket to attend the convention, and in return they just agree to vote for who they're bound to. So it is difficult to know how many of Trump's delegates are those and how many are actual backers. Especially since a lot of the delegates aren't even named yet, they're just in theory allocated.

You know what would be cool?

One person, one vote.

IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD WHY DOES AMERICA HATE DEMOCRACY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 06, 2016, 03:43:19 PM

It's a party primary.  Why don't people get that?

Also if it was popular vote Bernie would have dropped out of the primary a while ago.  Win Wyoming and claim it's equal to Florida brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 04:24:53 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 06, 2016, 03:43:19 PM

It's a party primary.  Why don't people get that?

Also if it was popular vote Bernie would have dropped out of the primary a while ago.  Win Wyoming and claim it's equal to Florida brehs.

BUT MUH MICHIGAN

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 06, 2016, 04:57:10 PM

I think what people are missing right now is that all the states Bernie has won could comfortably fit into the biggest three that Hillary has won with room for a couple more cold, white states.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 06, 2016, 04:58:19 PM

Alaska is pretty big, learn your geography :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 06, 2016, 09:30:05 PM

In 20 years, how crazy is this going to look to someone who didn't live through it?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 06, 2016, 09:34:22 PM

Trump won't get the Republican nomination.  It doesn't matter if he gets a majority of the delegates, they will find a way to stop him from being the nominee.  Might be through some goofy interpretation of an old rule that doesn't make any sense to anyone, they will find any means necessary to screw him over.  In the end, it largely comes down to "their party, their rules and they can do whatever they want."

At this point, I think that the GOP would rather be the Permanent Opposition Party than anything else.  It's a lot easier than being responsible for something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 06, 2016, 09:58:54 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 06, 2016, 09:37:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 06, 2016, 09:30:05 PM

In 20 years, how crazy is this going to look to someone who didn't live through it?

1) a plutocrat derailing the preferred party of plutocrats for the fuckery

2) a self-described socialist who believes in reviving manufacturing jobs in america

3) a centre-left imperialist cuckquean under investigation by the FBI being the best option

4) people pretending to give a shit about ted cruz


(http://i.imgur.com/9nnJte9.gif)


i hope we'll get a movie.

Nah, it'll be one of the stories we tell around the campfire when the Younglings ask about the Before Times.  :letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 06, 2016, 10:12:59 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 06, 2016, 09:37:15 PM

i hope we'll get a movie.

and if we are lucky, it wont be a oliver stone one

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 10:57:27 PM

 :cody

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 11:01:50 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 06, 2016, 09:37:15 PM

3) a centre-left imperialist cuckquean under investigation by the FBI being the best option

(http://i.imgur.com/r4b51ph.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: doctavius bonbon on April 06, 2016, 11:06:01 PM

should have cracked his bald egghead against the cash register, t b h

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 11:17:52 PM

https://twitter.com/nancycordes/status/717824134655377408

Bernie, wat are you doin man :mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 11:52:17 PM

http://qz.com/586884/bernie-sanders-says-he-can-break-up-the-banks-in-a-year-is-that-even-possible/

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It seems highly unlikely that the existing Federal Reserve board will decide to use their power to break up the banks simply because a newly-elected president Sanders instructs them to do so. Even if he were able to secure their assent, he would need also need to appoint a passel of new regulators to okay their action, with the assent of a Senate that will likely be outright hostile to Sanders’ plans. If he is serious about using the Fed to break up the banks, he will need to first go through a knock-down, drag-out fight to appoint a Fed board willing to back his plan.

(http://i.imgur.com/Lk6TXeH.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 11:53:27 PM

But we do need to break up the big banks. :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2016, 12:04:13 AM

My favorite Bernie ducktale is still his insistence that he can make Paul Ryan raise taxes by having college kids protest outside his office building until he caves.

Sanders' plans are Walter Sobchak tier.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Trent Dole on April 07, 2016, 12:35:44 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 06, 2016, 11:17:52 PM

https://twitter.com/nancycordes/status/717824134655377408

Bernie, wat are you doin man :mindblown

Speaking the truth? :umad
Thing about his whole 'banks out of control rarrgh' bit is that, well, he voted FOR the stuff that Hillary's husband signed that led to the banking collapse in the first place! Hilldog can't really hammer him about voting for something that her husband signed off on so he ends up getting a bit of a pass for it but learning of that definitely curbed my enthusiasm for the dude a bit. :teehee Still the least shitty option imo though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 07, 2016, 01:56:30 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 11:53:27 PM

But we do need to break up the big banks. :yeshrug

It's nice to want things.

Personally, I probably wouldn't put the big banks in a top 10 list of this country's problems, and that's partly where my motivation to side with Hillary over Bernie comes from.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 07, 2016, 03:08:03 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 11:53:27 PM

But we do need to break up the big banks.

Do we, though?

I'd really like to read the best case for why a financial system with smaller institutions would be immune (or at least much less susceptible) to crisis.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 07, 2016, 05:20:46 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 07, 2016, 03:08:03 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 11:53:27 PM

But we do need to break up the big banks.

Do we, though?

I'd really like to read the best case for why a financial system with smaller institutions would be immune (or at least much less susceptible) to crisis.

Presumably working backwards from "too big to fail". But it's not like a bunch of smaller banks can't fail all at once, which ends up having the same consequences, no?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 07, 2016, 06:36:09 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/CTEKp2X.jpg)

Hillary might be Andrex’s queen, but Bernie is my Khaleesi.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 07, 2016, 07:39:34 AM

I woulda gone Ned Stark for Bernie.  Northerner who commands fierce loyalty from his followers, but whose rigid moral code and inability to cope with realpolitik gets him killed.

You could talk me into either Rubio or Jeb as Renly.

Martin O'Malley is any minor character left out of the TV version.

At this point Christie is Reek, no?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: james on April 07, 2016, 10:31:45 AM

I need predict-it advice.

I bought Bernie-No and Hillary-Yes like 3 months ago.

ITS STILL THE SAME PRICE HOW IS THAT EVEN

I dont know what to do about Trump-yes. I bought at 30, it went up to like 90, now its at 45. I assume itll go up again once he cleans up shop in the next five states.

Do I double down?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: james on April 07, 2016, 10:36:46 AM

Hm, is it just me or is this one easy money?
https://www.predictit.org/Contract/2437/Will-any-candidate-win-more-than-50-of-the-NY-GOP-primary-vote#data

Also bought yes for Trump in PA. Central PA is like Trump HQ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 07, 2016, 10:37:55 AM

Lena Headey is a way better actress than "blinks when shooting a gun Sarah Connors" Emilia Clarke, so I'm fine with that tbh. :yeshrug

Also Lena Headey never fucked the creator of Family Guy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 07, 2016, 10:40:08 AM

Wait, how is gambling on politics legal? This sounds fun

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: james on April 07, 2016, 10:45:13 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 07, 2016, 10:40:08 AM

Wait, how is gambling on politics legal? This sounds fun

Some educational loophole

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2016, 10:57:45 AM

Wait, doesn't Dany have more support among black and brown people than anyone?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 07, 2016, 10:59:34 AM

http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/first-read-democratic-race-takes-nastier-turn-n552321

"Now the other day, I think, Secretary Clinton appeared to be getting a little bit nervous, and she has been saying lately that she thinks that I am, quote-unquote not qualified to be president. Well let me just say in response, to Secretary Clinton, I don't believe that she is qualified if she is… through her Super PAC, taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest funds."

Quote

But there are two important points to make in this dispute. One, Clinton never uttered the words "unqualified," as Sanders charged last night. In fact, she dodged the question. Here's what she said on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" yesterday:

---

SCARBOROUGH: But do you think he is qualified? And do you think he is able to deliver on the things he is promising to all these Democratic voters?

CLINTON: Well, let me put it this way, Joe. I think that what he has been saying about the core issue in his whole campaign doesn't seem to be rooted in an understanding of either the law or the practical ways you get something done. And I will leave it to voters to decide who of us can do the job that the country needs, who can do all aspects of the job, both on the economic domestic issues and on national security and foreign policy.

---

And two, some of the things that he said makes Clinton unqualified to be president -- having a Super PAC, raising money from Wall Street, supporting trade agreements -- would also disqualify President Obama. There is no doubt that Sanders and his campaign have been facing extra scrutiny and heat, even after their big win in Wisconsin. But saying in response that Clinton is unqualified (for the same things that about 95% of Democratic politicians do) seems akin to a George Constanza moment when you realize that the insult you intended doesn't go over that well.

(http://i.imgur.com/dN3BdZc.gif)

Bernie Sanders is literally turning senile right before our eyes and straight up lying about what other candidates have said. Sad.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: tiesto on April 07, 2016, 11:10:51 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 07, 2016, 10:37:55 AM

Lena Headey is a way better actress than "blinks when shooting a gun Sarah Connors" Emilia Clarke, so I'm fine with that tbh. :yeshrug

Also Lena Headey never fucked the creator of Family Guy.

I'll admit not knowing who she was until the FF15 unveiling last week.

:uguu

Anyways, Trump gave a speech right across the street from where I used to work. I'd have loved to stop by and point and laugh if I still worked nearby.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 07, 2016, 11:24:58 AM

https://twitter.com/mmurraypolitics/status/718067806814609414

Beep beep beep

Watch out, the Sanders truck is backing up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2016, 11:26:42 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 07, 2016, 03:08:03 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 06, 2016, 11:53:27 PM

But we do need to break up the big banks.

Do we, though?

I'd really like to read the best case for why a financial system with smaller institutions would be immune (or at least much less susceptible) to crisis.

Well, just look at the last financial crisis. All the big banks were on the verge of collapse but Wells Fargo didn't take part in the subprime mess. They were largely insulated from its effects but the fact that all the other big banks were exposed and on the verge of collapse put Wells Fargo at risk because there were only so many other firms that could service Wells Fargo. If banks were smaller in size and there were more of them, in theory should something like this happen again the impact would be lessened because there would be more banks like Wells Fargo that did things differently and they could all buoy each other up while the rest fail. Further, more competition is always a good thing in capitalism. That being said, you can never remove the possibility of total collapse completely. You can try to mitigate it though. My main concern is even if you split up banks to be smaller, you can only really do that in the US. In our global economy there's only a handful of international banks and if those start failing there's no real way to stop the hemorrhaging and since they're international entities it's difficult for us to do anything about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 07, 2016, 11:37:33 AM

The other idea being bandied around a lot is to simply split off the more volatile business sectors, but I'm not sure if they could survive on their own.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Syph on April 07, 2016, 01:56:06 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 07, 2016, 10:59:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/dN3BdZc.gif)

Bernie Sanders is literally turning senile right before our eyes and straight up lying about what other candidates have said. Sad.

"Well-uh I-uh had sex with your wife-uh"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 07, 2016, 02:09:37 PM

Quote from: Rufus on April 07, 2016, 11:37:33 AM

The other idea being bandied around a lot is to simply split off the more volatile business sectors, but I'm not sure if they could survive on their own.

They did well enough before having that.
Wouldn't more, smaller banks actually be more in line with neoliberal theory of having an atomicity of actors ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2016, 02:10:24 PM

Sanders biggest problem seems to be his in ability to not accept the premise of the question.  Someone need to sit him down and watch the last 2 season of the west wing so that he can get some experience in campaigning at the national level. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2016, 02:37:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2016, 10:57:45 AM

Wait, doesn't Dany have more support among black and brown people than anyone?  :doge

Not to mention the support of the non-binary Unsullied

 :supergay

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 07, 2016, 02:40:07 PM

I don't think the issue is banks being too "big," per se, as much as it is allowing the same institutions to have fingers in every fucking pie. No commercial banking and private banking under the same roof.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2016, 02:53:26 PM

I just don't see that happening because there's too much overlap in resource types. It's like setting up bakery and then saying "OK, you can do pastries but no breads." I can see the argument but it seems too limiting for the business side of me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2016, 02:58:31 PM

The size of banks wouldn't be that much of a problem if we had actual, for real financial regulation in this country. Or punished banks/bankers for playing games with the economy at a level that didn't incentivize them to continue doing it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2016, 03:04:44 PM

That might be true (but it's a Bernie sanders level of disconnect to believe it'll ever happen) but on principle I disagree. Market consolidation on a massive scale is a sign of an unhealthy economy. I mean look at something like Cisco, they could literally not ship product for the next 20 years and still be around simply because they're so immense. It stifles competition and innovation. The more competition there is the more innovation there is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 07, 2016, 03:08:12 PM

Yup, that's it.

Some regulation with actual teeth in it would accomplish a lot. Start by giving some strength to the SEC, IRS, FCC, and the EPA and all of a sudden you'd have some better corporate and big financial behavior, after a few dozen bad actors find themselves in a general population prison of course.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2016, 03:31:09 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2016, 03:04:44 PM

That might be true (but it's a Bernie sanders level of disconnect to believe it'll ever happen) but on principle I disagree. Market consolidation on a massive scale is a sign of an unhealthy economy. I mean look at something like Cisco, they could literally not ship product for the next 20 years and still be around simply because they're so immense. It stifles competition and innovation. The more competition there is the more innovation there is.

Well, my point is that with stronger regulation and actual punishment for financial misdeeds you'd set up a situation where the issues with just having a few mega-banks could be more easily handled. Just breaking up the banks wouldn't fix anything, really, since they'd all just consolidate again over the course of decade or two and we're right back where we started.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2016, 03:45:57 PM

So smaller banks should have less lobbing power and influence which makes regulation easier to make and keep.  Also I'd think smaller banks are less inclined to take larger risks, which is kind of a self regularization.  I think the biggest issue is that there isn't a lot stopping financial companies from moving to London or Hong kong if they don't get the regulation they like. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2016, 03:59:46 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 07, 2016, 03:08:12 PM

Yup, that's it.

Some regulation with actual teeth in it would accomplish a lot. Start by giving some strength to the SEC, IRS, FCC, and the EPA and all of a sudden you'd have some better corporate and big financial behavior, after a few dozen bad actors find themselves in a general population prison of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clU0Sh9ngmY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 07, 2016, 04:00:32 PM

White House: Obama thinks Clinton is qualified for president (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/obama-clinton-qualified-president-221685#ixzz45APbF7vk)

:obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2016, 04:34:05 PM

http://onpublichealth.org/substance-abuse/drug-overdose-fatalaties/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 07, 2016, 04:42:43 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ben-carson-john-berman-criminal-charge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2016, 04:44:24 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 07, 2016, 04:34:05 PM

http://onpublichealth.org/substance-abuse/drug-overdose-fatalaties/

Yeah, not surprised by this. I went to the ER with abdominal pain that they were eventually unable to nail down to anything specific, so they just wrote me a prescription for a month's supply of pain pills. Note: I already had a month's supply of pain pills from a previous visit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Trent Dole on April 07, 2016, 06:13:38 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 07, 2016, 04:00:32 PM

White House: Obama thinks Clinton is qualified for president (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/obama-clinton-qualified-president-221685#ixzz45APbF7vk)

:obama

Well there's not any other Democrats running right now, who else would he endorse? :shh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Dennis on April 07, 2016, 07:50:10 PM

Is 'yuge' the new trendy word? I see it everywhere now.

Based Donald.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2016, 08:21:02 PM

It's only popular amongst the yutes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2016, 08:34:07 PM

Fuck the Yutes, I'm an Angle man.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 07, 2016, 08:50:29 PM

Quote

Obama On Garland: 'Yeah, He's A White Guy' But He's A Great Jurist

President Barack Obama was candid Thursday when asked about the diversity his Supreme Court nominee, Merrick Garland, would bring to the high court.

In response to the question from a University of Chicago Law School student, Obama jokingly responded that Garland was from Skokie, Illinois.

"The way I've thought about diversity is not to think about any single seat as 'I've got to fill this slot with this demographic,'" he elaborated. "But rather if I've got a broad set of nominees to make, and this is true across the board, how do I make sure that I'm intentional throughout that process so that the talent of every American, and every potential candidate, gets a fair look."

Obama said he was committed to appointing a diverse group of judges to federal courts and noted that he'd appointed more women, minority and LGBT judges during his time as President than his predecessors.

"But at no point did I say oh you know what — I need a black lesbian from Skokie in that slot. Can you find me one?" Obama said to laughter. "That's just not how I've approached it."

Obama has received some flack, particularly from black women's groups, over picking Garland, a 63-year old white man, to replace late Justice Antonin Scalia. He noted that prior to nominating Garland, he nominated two women, Elana Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor, who is Hispanic, to the high court.

"Yeah he's a white guy, but he's a really outstanding jurist," Obama said of Garland. "Sorry. I think that's important."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-defends-merrick-garland-diversity
:dead

I'm gonna miss Obama
(http://i.imgur.com/GANNhGZ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 07, 2016, 09:03:40 PM

late second term obama is best obama.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Dennis on April 07, 2016, 10:13:27 PM

Did Bill Clinton just accidentally say how he really feels?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 07, 2016, 10:18:00 PM

Did he finally zip up, let you out from under the desk, and say 'I love your tongue stud', Dennis?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 08, 2016, 10:24:23 AM

Did you guys read that article on Denny Hastert? What a sick fuck.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/ct-dennis-hastert-investigation-met-20160406-story.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 08, 2016, 12:11:03 PM

Tasty, this is fucking unacceptable
(http://i.imgur.com/16J0QTx.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 08, 2016, 12:12:12 PM

Love the worker who is clearly thinking "you're gonna need to dump that shit out and try again"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 08, 2016, 12:14:37 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 08, 2016, 12:11:03 PM

Tasty, this is fucking unacceptable
(http://i.imgur.com/16J0QTx.jpg)

 ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: nachobro on April 08, 2016, 12:28:44 PM

that is the shittiest pour i've ever seen goddamn

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 08, 2016, 12:32:33 PM

I've seen college pictures of Hillary, I don't think she spent a lot of time at keggers.


Between that picture and Donald Trump eating pizza with a fork, we are doomed as a nation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: mormapope on April 08, 2016, 12:39:12 PM

Its not like wine is viewed as a rich person only alcoholic drink. Not to say elderly women can't or don't drink beer, but of all the bars I went to, I've never seen a grandma ask whats on tap.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 08, 2016, 12:44:54 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 08, 2016, 12:32:33 PM

I've seen college pictures of Hillary, I don't think she spent a lot of time at keggers.


Between that picture and Donald Trump eating pizza with a fork, we are doomed as a nation.

Help us, John Kasich. You're our only hope. (http://gawker.com/check-out-this-friggin-guy-i-dunno-some-kinda-slavic-1769652369)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 08, 2016, 12:48:24 PM

Hillary's a classy woman, and classy women drink wine. Doesn't surprise me she'd have trouble with such a plebeian beverage. :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: thisismyusername on April 08, 2016, 12:55:08 PM

Quote from: mormapope on April 08, 2016, 12:39:12 PM

Its not like wine is viewed as a rich person only alcoholic drink. Not to say elderly women can't or don't drink beer, but of all the bars I went to, I've never seen a grandma ask whats on tap.

Goddamn, now I have a challenge to accept. Gonna have to find a grandma and get her to go to a bar and ask what's on tap in front of you.

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 08, 2016, 12:48:24 PM

Hillary's a classy woman, and classy women drink wine. Doesn't surprise me she'd have trouble with such a plebeian beverage. :snob

Says a man that has to get black-out drunk to suck dick for her. :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2016, 01:01:19 PM

Who needs Monica when a women gives that much head?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 08, 2016, 01:09:03 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 08, 2016, 01:01:19 PM

Who needs Monica when a women gives that much head?

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 08, 2016, 01:28:59 PM

@I'm a Puppy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html

Quote

The easy slogan here is “Break up the big banks.” It’s obvious why this slogan is appealing from a political point of view: Wall Street supplies an excellent cast of villains. But were big banks really at the heart of the financial crisis, and would breaking them up protect us from future crises?

Many analysts concluded years ago that the answers to both questions were no. Predatory lending was largely carried out by smaller, non-Wall Street institutions like Countrywide Financial; the crisis itself was centered not on big banks but on “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers that weren’t necessarily that big. And the financial reform that President Obama signed in 2010 made a real effort to address these problems. It could and should be made stronger, but pounding the table about big banks misses the point.

Yet going on about big banks is pretty much all Mr. Sanders has done. On the rare occasions on which he was asked for more detail, he didn’t seem to have anything more to offer. And this absence of substance beyond the slogans seems to be true of his positions across the board.

- Paul Krugman, 2008 Economics Laureate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 08, 2016, 01:35:48 PM

But tasty, you're missing my point that mass market consolidation is unhealthy for the market and stifles innovation. But hey, if you're saying it's not broken :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2016, 02:04:10 PM

Honestly, I just want big banks to be broken up because I don't like rich people. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 02:15:28 PM

Quote from: Clinton campaign e-mail

If you’re with her, chip in to get your free sticker and let her know how proud you are to support the most qualified candidate in the history of our country.

Quote from: https://twitter.com/BarbaraBoxer/status/717903297726717952

Barbara Boxer Verified account
‏@BarbaraBoxer
Bernie’s attack on @HillaryClinton tonight was beneath him. She is the most qualified person to ever run for POTUS.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 02:18:37 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 08, 2016, 01:28:59 PM

@I'm a Puppy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html

Quote

The easy slogan here is “Break up the big banks.” It’s obvious why this slogan is appealing from a political point of view: Wall Street supplies an excellent cast of villains. But were big banks really at the heart of the financial crisis, and would breaking them up protect us from future crises?

Many analysts concluded years ago that the answers to both questions were no. Predatory lending was largely carried out by smaller, non-Wall Street institutions like Countrywide Financial; the crisis itself was centered not on big banks but on “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers that weren’t necessarily that big. And the financial reform that President Obama signed in 2010 made a real effort to address these problems. It could and should be made stronger, but pounding the table about big banks misses the point.

Yet going on about big banks is pretty much all Mr. Sanders has done. On the rare occasions on which he was asked for more detail, he didn’t seem to have anything more to offer. And this absence of substance beyond the slogans seems to be true of his positions across the board.

- Paul Krugman, 2008 Economics Laureate

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/opinion/paul-krugman-dodd-frank-financial-reform-is-working.html

Quote

But how do you rescue the banking system without rewarding bad behavior? In particular, rescues in times of crisis can give large financial players an unfair advantage: They can borrow cheaply in normal times, because everyone knows that they are “too big to fail” and will be bailed out if things go wrong.

The answer is that the government should seize troubled institutions when it bails them out, so that they can be kept running without rewarding stockholders or bondholders who don’t need rescue. In 2008 and 2009, however, it wasn’t clear that the Treasury Department had the necessary legal authority to do that. So Dodd-Frank filled that gap, giving regulators Ordinary Liquidation Authority, also known as resolution authority, so that in the next crisis we can save “systemically important” banks and other institutions without bailing out the bankers.

- Paul Krugman, 2008 Economics Laureate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 02:19:14 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 08, 2016, 12:44:54 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 08, 2016, 12:32:33 PM

I've seen college pictures of Hillary, I don't think she spent a lot of time at keggers.


Between that picture and Donald Trump eating pizza with a fork, we are doomed as a nation.

Help us, John Kasich. You're our only hope. (http://gawker.com/check-out-this-friggin-guy-i-dunno-some-kinda-slavic-1769652369)

(http://static.politico.com/03/1c/f7088ed041849659b43988028dca/john-kasich-pizza-ny-1160-getty.jpg)

Quote

"Look, look, the pizza came scalding hot, OK? And so I use a little fork," the governor of Ohio told ABC's "Good Morning America." "You know what? My wife who is on spring break with my daughters said, ’I'm proud of you. You finally learned how to use a utensil properly.’ But I mean — not only did I eat the pizza, I had the hot sausage. It was fantastic."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 02:21:02 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 06, 2016, 09:37:15 PM

4) people pretending to give a shit about ted cruz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXhguE_yh3U

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 08, 2016, 03:35:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 02:19:14 PM

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"Look, look, the pizza came scalding hot, OK? And so I use a little fork," the governor of Ohio told ABC's "Good Morning America." "You know what? My wife who is on spring break with my daughters said, ’I'm proud of you. You finally learned how to use a utensil properly.’ But I mean — not only did I eat the pizza, I had the hot sausage. It was fantastic."

I feel like we've scratched the surface on some next level Bilderberg shit.

(whispers) "The lizard people can't touch pizza with their hands!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: tiesto on April 08, 2016, 03:58:45 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CK3guTLW8AACPmX.jpg)

Finally seeing campaign ads and shit on TV, this is like one of the first times in a long time that NY is actually important for something election oriented. Hillary doing a fund raiser at the spot where I had my senior prom, Trump rally across from where I work, wish Bernie would come out here b/c getting to the city to see him would be hard as hell.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 08, 2016, 04:40:57 PM

he's going to have a hard time getting out of the city if he doesn't even know how to use the subway

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 08, 2016, 05:52:42 PM

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"Look, look, the pizza came scalding hot, OK? And so I use a little fork," the governor of Ohio told ABC's "Good Morning America."

So it was too hot to hold in your hands but not hot enough to put in your mouth?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 08, 2016, 07:00:05 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 08, 2016, 01:35:48 PM

But tasty, you're missing my point that mass market consolidation is unhealthy for the market and stifles innovation. But hey, if you're saying it's not broken :doge

I'm not really sold on "innovation" in the financial sector automatically being a net positive.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 07:14:06 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fec-deadlocks-over-allegations-gingrich-used-2012-campaign-to-sell-books/2016/04/08/ab34ba64-fda8-11e5-80e4-c381214de1a3_story.html

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Former House speaker Newt Gingrich will not face a Federal Election Commission investigation into allegations that he broke federal law by using his 2012 presidential campaign to promote books that he and his wife wrote, documents released Friday show.

As part of an agreement with the FEC finalized Feb. 23, the veteran Republican party leader will shut down his 2012 committee, Newt 2012, in the next few months. The campaign still owes nearly $4 million to more than 100 vendors, who are now unlikely to see full payment.

The FEC’s top attorney recommended in 2013 that the agency investigate Gingrich, but the case languished and the six-member commission eventually deadlocked along partisan lines in June, with the three Republican commissioners voting against an inquiry.

The general counsel’s initial review found evidence of seven violations of campaign finance laws, the FEC documents show. Among the findings: Gingrich’s campaign staff and the employees of his production company at times swapped duties as the then-candidate was holding concurrent campaign rallies and book-signing events.

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The general counsel also found evidence that the campaign’s resources benefited Gingrich personally, noting that his campaign website included more than 80 links to the Gingrich Productions website, along with blog entries promoting book signings and movie screenings. Many of the links went to pages urging supporters to buy books written by Newt and Callista Gingrich.

Noah Bookbinder, CREW’s executive director, called the FEC’s decision to close the case “distressing.”

http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New-Jersey-Homeowner-Cited-Flying-Donald-Trump-Campaign-Flag-Too-Early-374982211.html

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A New Jersey man who's been flying Donald Trump's campaign flag in front of his home since February could face up to a $2,000 fine or jail time when he faces a judge in the case.

Joe Hornick has been flying Trump's "Make America Great Again" flag outside his West Long Branch home on a busy corner near the Monmouth University campus for months.

But he got a ticket recently citing him for illegally posting political signage more than 30 days before an election. The New Jersey presidential primary isn't until June 7.

"I'm not a football fan, I'm not a sports fan, but I'm surely a Donald Trump fan," he told NBC 4 New York.

Hornick actually flies two Trump flags day and night, and lights them up when it gets dark. They've been ripped down five times so far.

"Let them come, let them rip those flags down because I have a warehouse on alert, and I'll put up a flag every time they tear one down," he said.

 :usacry R.I.P. America 1776-2006 :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 08, 2016, 07:17:23 PM

If the FEC can't even get this one right, what's the point of even keeping the lights on?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 07:22:26 PM

I like how the agreement is that he gets to stiff more than a hundred vendors in return for not being investigated?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 08, 2016, 07:26:03 PM

Like, it's not even that they couldn't agree whether he was guilty or not, they couldn't even agree that the preliminary evidence discovered by general council was sufficient to warrant a full investigation!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 09:04:07 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/shimmering-immaculate-republican-candidate-appears-52710

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WASHINGTON—Explaining how they froze in place and stared up at the miraculous vision in rapt wonder, members of the Republican Party leadership reported that the shimmering image of an immaculate, ideal GOP presidential candidate appeared before them for a brief moment Friday and hovered in front of the party’s headquarters in Washington.

Those who witnessed the awe-inspiring vision said they felt a warm, comforting presence wash over them as the clouds parted and the luminous form of a man in his late 40s with chiseled features and perfectly parted hair descended from the sky above the Republican National Committee building. The mysterious levitating figure, who is said to have worn a brilliantly gleaming American flag lapel pin and an exquisitely tailored shirt with the sleeves rolled up to his elbows, reportedly flashed a confident yet disarming smile that, according to accounts, left several onlookers so moved that they began openly weeping.

“We were heading in for another meeting about how to deal with the upcoming convention when, suddenly, this perfect figure appeared in the air above us: a conservative presidential candidate with youthful energy and an undeniable everyman charm who shone with a golden light,” said RNC chairman Reince Priebus, choking up as he described how he and other party leaders gazed in wide-eyed disbelief at the tall, handsome apparition. “After all this time, to lay eyes on a pristine, easily electable Republican—it was staggering. It felt like every burden on our party melted away the instant he appeared. Everything became calm; peaceful; still.”

“He spoke only a few words, saying that we should lower corporate tax rates to boost economic growth,” Priebus added. “It felt like he was speaking directly to my soul.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 08, 2016, 10:50:36 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 08, 2016, 02:18:37 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 08, 2016, 01:28:59 PM

@I'm a Puppy:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/08/opinion/sanders-over-the-edge.html

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The easy slogan here is “Break up the big banks.” It’s obvious why this slogan is appealing from a political point of view: Wall Street supplies an excellent cast of villains. But were big banks really at the heart of the financial crisis, and would breaking them up protect us from future crises?

Many analysts concluded years ago that the answers to both questions were no. Predatory lending was largely carried out by smaller, non-Wall Street institutions like Countrywide Financial; the crisis itself was centered not on big banks but on “shadow banks” like Lehman Brothers that weren’t necessarily that big. And the financial reform that President Obama signed in 2010 made a real effort to address these problems. It could and should be made stronger, but pounding the table about big banks misses the point.

Yet going on about big banks is pretty much all Mr. Sanders has done. On the rare occasions on which he was asked for more detail, he didn’t seem to have anything more to offer. And this absence of substance beyond the slogans seems to be true of his positions across the board.

- Paul Krugman, 2008 Economics Laureate

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/04/opinion/paul-krugman-dodd-frank-financial-reform-is-working.html

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But how do you rescue the banking system without rewarding bad behavior? In particular, rescues in times of crisis can give large financial players an unfair advantage: They can borrow cheaply in normal times, because everyone knows that they are “too big to fail” and will be bailed out if things go wrong.

The answer is that the government should seize troubled institutions when it bails them out, so that they can be kept running without rewarding stockholders or bondholders who don’t need rescue. In 2008 and 2009, however, it wasn’t clear that the Treasury Department had the necessary legal authority to do that. So Dodd-Frank filled that gap, giving regulators Ordinary Liquidation Authority, also known as resolution authority, so that in the next crisis we can save “systemically important” banks and other institutions without bailing out the bankers.

- Paul Krugman, 2008 Economics Laureate

benji I know you have better reading comprehension skills than to think you just made a point  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 08, 2016, 11:57:19 PM

http://hwcdn.libsyn.com/p/0/7/8/0781640b7314eabc/cswdcd03.mp3?c_id=11370030&expiration=1460178176&hwt=65523de995cac14705e72cf532bbed99

really liked this common sense

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 09, 2016, 02:06:46 AM

Quote from: Mamacint on April 08, 2016, 10:50:36 PM

benji I know you have better reading comprehension skills than to think you just made a point  :doge

To be fair, Krugman didn't write those, William Stanley Bill Ayers Jesse Malkin Robin Wells did.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 09, 2016, 09:21:38 PM

Bernie wins Wyoming and extends his streak, which everyone expected as Wyoming is a caucus that's 97% white.

Most polls had Sanders winning 70-80%, but he barely scraped 56%. The kick in the teeth? Both Sanders and Hillary walk away from the state with 7 delegates each, despite Bernie winning. :lol

I really can't wait until NY. Gonna bust out the popcorn, some lube and go to town when the results start coming in.

(http://i300.photobucket.com/albums/nn11/bezarker/fab06938.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 10, 2016, 01:10:02 AM

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/boston-globe-unveils-fake-trump-882330

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfot5gNXEAA6OZy.jpg:large)

Shit, man. Bravo.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Take My Breh Away on April 10, 2016, 07:09:30 AM

Earlier than projected election fuckery. This election is going to be amazing. 

(http://i.imgur.com/w0Bwh9Q.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 10, 2016, 07:36:07 AM

Being into lolis though is A-OK and not indicitive of anything. :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 10, 2016, 08:21:30 AM

Quote from: Rufus on April 10, 2016, 07:36:07 AM

Being into lolis though is A-OK and not indicitive of anything. :heh

Canonically 21

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2016, 05:11:57 PM

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Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 55m55 minutes ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted J.D. Rhoades
Generally speaking, the drive to make the South competitive again rests on black voters.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Raw Story
"A lot of that came from the South."

(Home to the most loyal group of Dem voters without whom Dems couldn't win.)

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Black voters in the South are the reason Dems can win Virginia and Florida, and stay competitive in North Carolina and Florida.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Blacks generally are the reason liberals, in particular, can win national elections. Remove blacks & electoral scope of liberalism shrinks.

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Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 17m17 minutes ago
I will say this until I am out of breath but Southern blacks are an integral part of pulling the South away from reactionary politics.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 20m20 minutes ago
2. The candidate whose theory rests on a political revolution isn't in a place to handwave away places where his message didn't suffice.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 21m21 minutes ago
Two thoughts: 1.'"It's the South" sounds dismissive in large part because Sanders touts wins in the rural West.

:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2016, 08:09:26 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on April 08, 2016, 10:24:23 AM

Did you guys read that article on Denny Hastert? What a sick fuck.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/ct-dennis-hastert-investigation-met-20160406-story.html

Ironically, Hastert was the guy the GOP picked after House leadership was completely decimated by scandals and missteps, because they figured he had nothing remotely interesting or surprising in his past:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-irony-and-the-awfulness

That didn't happen. Democrats actually gained a modest number of seats, something all but unprecedented in the sixth year of a president's term. The shock of the result led to Gingrich's fall from power and resignation almost immediately.

What we would learn only later was that while driving the country toward impeachment Gingrich was himself carrying on an affair with a twenty-something congressional aide named Callista Bisek. Gingrich would later divorce his wife Marianne and marry Bisek - they remain married - just as he had years before married Marianne after carrying on an affair with her while married to his first wife.

Just after the election, impeachment seemed dead. Republicans promised a return to bread and butter issues after a perceived public rebuke of their obsessive focus on impeachment and the president's sex life. But that didn't last long. Indeed, what soon unfolded foreshadowed the pattern by which the 2013 RNC 'autopsy' was followed by the failure of immigration reform and the most racially charged GOP presidential nomination in history three years later. The GOP's base's hunger to punish the President was far greater than establishment belief that impeachment had proven to be a tremendous political loser. What's more, Gingrich's departure empowered the man who had already in many respects been running the show in the House: Majority Whip Tom DeLay. Notwithstanding the election results, DeLay was totally committed to moving ahead with impeachment and was able to use the threat of primaries to pull members back into the pro-impeachment camp.

Meanwhile, the Republican conference quickly settled on Rep. Bob Livingston as Speaker Designate for the next Congress and de facto leader as the House moved toward impeaching the president. But then news broke that Hustler's Larry Flynt (yes, it was all really weird) was preparing an article on affairs conducted by Livingston and other members of Congress. This pushed Livingston to admit his own history of adultery and then - the very day the House passed articles of impeachment - in effect resign the Speakership even though he had not actually become Speaker.

Livingston resigned from the House and was succeeded by David Vitter, who would continuing paying for sex with prostitutes after moving to Washington to take his seat in the House and later in the Senate. In 2007, Vitter's phone number emerged from a published list of the phone records of "DC Madam" Deborah Jeane Palfrey. Vitter nonetheless survived the prostitution scandal and was releected to the Senate in 2010. He failed in his bid to become Governor of Louisiana in 2015. Palfrey later committed suicide, aged 52, shortly after being convicted of money laundering tied to running the prostitution ring.

The rapid fire events of the previous six weeks - the upset election result, the resignation of the Speaker, the impeachment of the President, followed by the resignation of the de facto Speaker - left official Washington and especially the House Republican caucus in a state of shock and pandemonium. Various names were at first mooted to succeed Livingston. But consensus quickly formed around a man little known even in Washington, let alone in the nation at large: Dennis J. Hastert.

As bad as GOP leadership is now, and has been over the past few years, that 90's crop was packed to the gills with total scumbags.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 10, 2016, 09:50:41 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 10, 2016, 08:09:26 PM

As bad as GOP leadership is now, and has been over the past few years, that 90's crop was packed to the gills with total scumbags.

Give it time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 10, 2016, 11:13:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2016, 05:11:57 PM

Quote

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 55m55 minutes ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted J.D. Rhoades
Generally speaking, the drive to make the South competitive again rests on black voters.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Jamelle Bouie Retweeted Raw Story
"A lot of that came from the South."

(Home to the most loyal group of Dem voters without whom Dems couldn't win.)

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Black voters in the South are the reason Dems can win Virginia and Florida, and stay competitive in North Carolina and Florida.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 2h2 hours ago
Blacks generally are the reason liberals, in particular, can win national elections. Remove blacks & electoral scope of liberalism shrinks.

Quote

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 17m17 minutes ago
I will say this until I am out of breath but Southern blacks are an integral part of pulling the South away from reactionary politics.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 20m20 minutes ago
2. The candidate whose theory rests on a political revolution isn't in a place to handwave away places where his message didn't suffice.

Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie 21m21 minutes ago
Two thoughts: 1.'"It's the South" sounds dismissive in large part because Sanders touts wins in the rural West.

:whew

This is why the Berniebro argument "Hillary's just winning the confederacy" is so asinine and in a way a huge backhanded "compliment" to Bernie. Bernie eats shit when it comes to nonwhites.

Yet somehow he'd be more electable than Hillary. ::)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 10, 2016, 11:21:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwQkBfBs958

Not as good as this top favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 10, 2016, 11:21:55 PM

I'd at least be willing to ignore that shit if Bernie stans weren't celebrating "major" wins in liberal states like....Oklahoma and Wyoming.
 :gurl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 10, 2016, 11:32:53 PM

Did I say "Berniebros?" I meant to say Bernie himself. (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/bernie-sanders-dismisses-clinton-lead-a-lot-of-that-came-from-the-south/)

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Appearing on ABC’s This Week, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders — who has run off an impressive string of primary victories — dismissed actual vote totals that show former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton with a commanding lead, saying those votes “came from the South.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2016, 12:06:53 AM

Bouie's twitter feed has been really, really good during these primaries.

It's understandable why kids just getting into politics would make the mistake of thinking a state's primary electorate = its general electorate.  And losing political campaigns tend to say silly things, especially with these drawn-out primaries (see Rubio this time, Hillary in '08). 

But if you're a prominent person on the left half of American politics, in 2016, and you find yourself making an argument that implies black people's votes are somehow less valuable than other votes, you gotta stop.  Seriously.  Just stop.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2016, 12:22:04 AM

They've gotten their President (albeit not a real black), now it's time for Socialist Jews' votes to count.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Or billionaire nativists.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 11, 2016, 05:39:53 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 06, 2016, 10:38:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXYzgTLoQjY

Holy shit, is Rick Scott a petty ***hole or what (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/10/florida_governor_rick_scott_releases_attack_ad_against_woman_who_yelled.html)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwRx8-Hjlk0

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2016, 06:47:50 AM

Finally someone speaks truth to power and stands up against the unhinged left-wing bullies who hate America and won't pledge allegiance to our nation and its leaders.

Good on Let's Get to Work which is in no way associated with Governor Rick Scott to support the American people who fully back Rick Scott in defending the nation against the violent left.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2016, 06:48:23 AM

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In 1996, Cara Jennings, then 19, and her sister Aimee started the Radical Cheerleaders in their hometown of Lake Worth, Fla., a town of 35,000 north of Ft. Lauderdale. Their fishnet-stocking, punked-out leather outfits and shredded garbage bag pom-poms caught on, as did their obscenity-laced chants against the neo-liberal agenda, the WTO and various other political causes. As the worldwide protest movement rose in the late '90s, the radical cheerleaders became fixtures at anti-globalization rallies, and cheerleading troupes have sprung up around the world.

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A lot of the headlines have focused on the fact that you are a self-described anarchist. How is that going to manifest itself in how you go about governing?

The textbook definition that most folks reference when they ask me about being an anarchist is the overthrow of government. And that's an element of anarchism. I and other anarchists believe that there should be no hierarchy, and that all decisions should be made on a community level by individuals on a voluntary basis.

So it's been difficult running for office and acknowledging that I'm putting myself in a perceived and sometimes real position of power over other people. The reason that people are excited to see me out there, like at an immigration rally, is because they know, whether I like it or not, that I have additional power that they don't have. I don't want to claim the assumed power that comes with winning an elected office, but at the same time, I'm in this position to leverage that power, and be outspoken about things that are wrong and receive attention for that. I don't know really how you do that without falling into that trap of getting credit for a position of power that shouldn't exist in the fist place. It's challenging.

I've seen a few comments on anarchist discussion boards on the Web, saying, “If she was a true anarchist, she wouldn't be part of government.”

Sure. And I respect that critique. The practical reality is that in Lake Worth there's not a large anarchist community, and there's not even a large progressive community. So in order to make a better impact, I decided to run for office. I don't think it was the most anarchist thing to do, but it was a responsible thing to do.

The media outed me as an anarchist. It wasn't a secret–but for me it was more about the core issues that have a clear impact on people's day-to-day lives, not my philosophies about capitalism, or authority.

So when I went door knocking, people would say to me, “But you're an anarchist!” And I would get to have conservations about what it meant to be critical of the government and to oppose hierarchy, and to build public power, and to do that by running for office.

Now at least a portion of the population here in Lake Worth thinks that being an anarchist means that you're community driven, and that you are going to represent the interests of the people in the community, not the business interests.

:usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2016, 07:04:41 AM

first we changed the definition of marriage, now we changed the definition of anarchist
:ussrcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: thisismyusername on April 11, 2016, 08:21:15 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 11, 2016, 05:39:53 AM

Holy shit, is Rick Scott a petty ***hole or what (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/04/10/florida_governor_rick_scott_releases_attack_ad_against_woman_who_yelled.html)

LMAO. If you didn't already know, all you need to know is that half of Florida's populace calls him Voldemort behind his back. :doge

Edit: Also LMAO at Slate posting this yesterday when it was old news on Friday.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 10:15:52 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 08, 2016, 02:04:10 PM

Honestly, I just want big banks to be broken up because I don't like rich people.

(http://i.imgur.com/MoAQjf7.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2016, 10:24:01 AM

You know, historically speaking in times of such pronounced income/wealth inequality, "rich people paying slightly more in taxes and breaking up big banks" is a pretty good deal compared to, oh I don't know, guillotines. Which, I'm on record that such civility is a real wasted opportunity, but there you go.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 10:32:16 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2016, 10:24:01 AM

You know, historically speaking in times of such pronounced income/wealth inequality, "rich people paying slightly more in taxes and breaking up big banks" is a pretty good deal compared to, oh I don't know, guillotines. Which, I'm on record that such civility is a real wasted opportunity, but there you go.

 :comeon

The fuck you on about?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2016, 10:35:48 AM

Just saying that a bump of like 3% in taxes, restoring a sane capital gains tax rate, and breaking up/further regulating big banks from doing stupid shit probably beats having your head chopped off and all of your shit taken by the peasants.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2016, 10:35:48 AM

Just saying that a bump of like 3% in taxes, restoring a sane capital gains tax rate, and breaking up/further regulating big banks from doing stupid shit probably beats having your head chopped off and all of your shit taken by the peasants.

Broke peasants have no guns and no cars. Who the fuck is worried about them?  :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2016, 11:06:18 AM

Guillotines are so messy, fam.  :donot

I mean, it's not like the Koch Bros are sweeping for car bombs or anything.  :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 12:53:19 PM

Why Black Voters Support Hillary Clinton
 (https://medium.com/@marcushjohnson/why-black-voters-support-hillary-clinton-afcf7e6ff5bb#.pibyu6f8g)

:obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 12:58:18 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 11, 2016, 12:53:19 PM

Why Black Voters Support Hillary Clinton
 (https://medium.com/@marcushjohnson/why-black-voters-support-hillary-clinton-afcf7e6ff5bb#.pibyu6f8g)

:obama

She's not going to win. Just an FYI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 01:12:56 PM

Quote from: Dufus on April 11, 2016, 01:12:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2016, 10:35:48 AM

Just saying that a bump of like 3% in taxes, restoring a sane capital gains tax rate, and breaking up/further regulating big banks from doing stupid shit probably beats having your head chopped off and all of your shit taken by the peasants.

Broke peasants have no guns and no cars. Who the fuck is worried about them?  :heh

The 'peasants' have the numbers on their side, breh. :gurl

Yawn.

Hard to reach for the sky when you're stuck on the goverment and big pharma titties. See how y'all played yourselves there, millenials?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 01:29:13 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 12:58:18 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 11, 2016, 12:53:19 PM

Why Black Voters Support Hillary Clinton
 (https://medium.com/@marcushjohnson/why-black-voters-support-hillary-clinton-afcf7e6ff5bb#.pibyu6f8g)

:obama

She's not going to win. Just an FYI

The primary or the general?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 11, 2016, 01:34:50 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 01:12:56 PM

Quote from: Dufus on April 11, 2016, 01:12:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 11:05:31 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 11, 2016, 10:35:48 AM

Just saying that a bump of like 3% in taxes, restoring a sane capital gains tax rate, and breaking up/further regulating big banks from doing stupid shit probably beats having your head chopped off and all of your shit taken by the peasants.

Broke peasants have no guns and no cars. Who the fuck is worried about them?  :heh

The 'peasants' have the numbers on their side, breh. :gurl

Yawn.

Hard to reach for the sky when you're stuck on the goverment and big pharma titties. See how y'all played yourselves there, millenials?

If I wasn't out of adderall I'd so type up a scathing reply!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 01:38:59 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 11, 2016, 01:29:13 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 12:58:18 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 11, 2016, 12:53:19 PM

Why Black Voters Support Hillary Clinton
 (https://medium.com/@marcushjohnson/why-black-voters-support-hillary-clinton-afcf7e6ff5bb#.pibyu6f8g)

:obama

She's not going to win. Just an FYI

The general but if her husband keeps talking I'd say the primary is in danger too.

The primary or the general?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 02:05:43 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 01:38:59 PM

The general but if her husband keeps talking I'd say the primary is in danger too.

Care to make it interesting?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 11, 2016, 02:15:15 PM

AiA lets see your Hillary no predictit receipts.


Ps predictit is so fun omg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:15:55 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 11, 2016, 02:15:15 PM

AiA lets see your Hillary no predictit receipts.


Ps predictit is so fun omg

What is this predictit you speak of, fine sir?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 11, 2016, 02:18:12 PM

Predictit.org

Bet on elections and shit. Share based.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:19:23 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 11, 2016, 02:18:12 PM

Predictit.org

Bet on elections and shit. Share based.

Nice, I'll check that out when I get home today.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM

I'm curious why you think Hillary won't be elected.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 02:39:47 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/KNf2LBY.png)

And that daughter's name? Ronald Reagan.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Obvious fake but I still had a good chuckle.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:41:36 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 11, 2016, 02:38:35 PM

I'm curious why you think Hillary won't be elected.

2 reasons


1) Democratic saturation has reached it's peak for now.

2) She just isn't likable in the least bit and the youth who get shut out on Bernie will vote for anybody but her.

And personally I don't want a CAC grandmother deciding if we should go to war or no, come at me bro.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 02:49:45 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kVVKxHZ.png)

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:41:36 PM

1) Democratic saturation has reached it's peak for now.

Lol what does this even mean. :lol If you think everyone except middle aged white guys will turn out for Trump or Cruz, then uh, there's nothing I can really say here except wait until November lol. :letsfukk

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:41:36 PM

2) She just isn't likable in the least bit and the youth who get shut out on Bernie will vote for anybody but her.

If likeability was a prerequisite we wouldn't have gotten Nixon. I'm also still not sure why Hillary isn't "likeable." She seems perfectly fine in her speeches and interviews. :dunno

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4Ks7sEOIzY

And most Berniebros will turn out for her after a few months of the GOP nominee making an ass out of himself, just like Hillarybots who turned out for Obama in 2008. :obama

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:41:36 PM

And personally I don't want a CAC grandmother deciding if we should go to war or no, come at me bro.

What you want and what will happen are two different things. :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:51:19 PM

Can't wait until you lose. You're breakdown will be delicious. Until we all realize Cruz or Trump is running this shit and all renew our canadian passports!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 02:53:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 02:51:19 PM

Can't wait until you lose. You're breakdown will be delicious. Until we all realize Cruz or Trump is running this shit and all renew our canadian passports!

Lol they're the two frontrunners. Are you expecting Paul Ryan to swoop down at the convention and sail the GOP to victory? :lol

Like it or not Hillary's gonna be facing Cruz or Trump in the general and they're going to lose to her, lol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 11, 2016, 03:16:14 PM

AiA you're delusional  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 03:23:29 PM

Further reading:

Why Republicans are very, very likely to lose the presidency in 2016
 (http://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/4/5/11370102/republicans-lose-2016)

---

Clinton has way more electoral states "in the bag" than Trump (http://www.270towin.com/maps/bMcf) or Cruz (http://www.270towin.com/maps/bJQV):

(http://i.imgur.com/CQ5QIbo.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/tBQKCpl.png)

---

Hillary also slaughters Trump and Cruz in basically all polls (except Fox News, lol): (http://www.270towin.com/2016-polls/2016-general-election-matchups/)

(http://i.imgur.com/bgpz2CD.png)

---

I mean sure, "anything can happen," that's true. Maybe Iran nukes us in October and Trump gets 80% of the vote. But based on the info we have it's highly doubtful Hillary Clinton won't become POTUS.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 11, 2016, 04:12:20 PM

Pie charts :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 11, 2016, 05:03:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08mqN9uYQw8

What a weird interview. We are really missing out not having Joe in the race.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 05:18:46 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 11, 2016, 04:12:20 PM

Pie charts :kobeyuck

Hillary's warm pie :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Atramental on April 11, 2016, 05:42:02 PM

 :oreilly

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2016, 05:56:44 PM

AIA also said young people would flock to the GOP because of their disappointment in Obama.  Really has a finger on the pulse of the millenial generation, that fella.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 06:03:19 PM

Quote from: Pallando on April 11, 2016, 05:42:02 PM

:oreilly

(http://i.imgur.com/MgZCbpP.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Boogie on April 11, 2016, 06:50:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2016, 05:56:44 PM

AIA also said young people would flock to the GOP because of their disappointment in Obama.  Really has a finger on the pulse of the millenial generation, that fella.

Such skepticism.   Why, I bet you he talked to no less than three whole people under the age of 30 who plan on voting for Trump in November. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 11, 2016, 07:01:32 PM

He has an uncle who was young for a whole decade!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 07:09:17 PM

Quote from: Boogie on April 11, 2016, 06:50:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2016, 05:56:44 PM

AIA also said young people would flock to the GOP because of their disappointment in Obama.  Really has a finger on the pulse of the millenial generation, that fella.

Such skepticism.   Why, I bet you he talked to no less than three whole people under the age of 30 who plan on voting for Trump in November.

8   :beli

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 11, 2016, 07:10:10 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 11, 2016, 07:01:32 PM

He has an uncle who was young for a whole decade!

C'mon man this one was terrible. I expect better out of you.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Atramental on April 11, 2016, 07:13:37 PM

I actually know a handful of millennials that voted for Cruz.  :neogaf

But you would be correct to assume that those millennials are a bunch of starry eyed, brainwashed BJU types.  :doge  :letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2016, 08:08:18 PM

http://www.dailywire.com/news/4823/breaking-apparently-im-now-social-justice-warrior-ben-shapiro#pq=kWXhme

Ben Shapiro officially outed as an SJW, benji keeps piling up the Ls.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 11, 2016, 08:17:14 PM

Quote

Which, of course, means that those promulgating this list are the actual SJWs,

:ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2016, 08:40:44 PM

Will he find the real SJWs in his white Bronco or is that too problematic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 11, 2016, 09:10:34 PM

(http://media.thedenverchannel.com/photo/2016/04/10/colorado-gop-tweet_1460316871924_35912235_ver1.0_640_480.jpg)

This took a lot of balls to brag about.  At least pretend you're not trying to steal the primaries.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 10:44:36 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 11, 2016, 09:05:50 PM

:dead this election man



https://youtu.be/nqYrVoa-RpM

Holy shit... I'm legit shook.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 11, 2016, 11:25:23 PM

Citizen Super PAC is Kickstarter for conservative ad campaigns. :neogaf

https://www.citizensuperpac.com/projects

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2016, 11:28:44 PM

https://www.citizensuperpac.com/117

Benji (http://i.imgur.com/1IIfMsy.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2016, 11:30:51 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 11, 2016, 11:28:44 PM

https://www.citizensuperpac.com/117

Benji (http://i.imgur.com/1IIfMsy.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/T0OBFQq.png)

Free market in action?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 12:30:12 AM

(https://www.citizensuperpac.com/image/data/KASICH.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 12:36:53 AM

Quote

Tired of all those boring, senseless ads? At Citizen Super PAC, YOU choose what gets funded. This creates competition in the marketplace of political speech at a scale that has never existed before, and ensures that only the most creative and compelling ads are aired.

Maybe it's my browser but the Johnson, Cruz and Kasich projects don't actually have ads, the only one is the Heil Trump one. Also...a $500 goal for a nationwide political ad?

This smells fishy you guys. I wouldn't expect something like that in politics.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 12:39:13 AM

(https://www.citizensuperpac.com/image/data/railroad.png)

Opposed to name change?!?

This Texas mailer was backed for $18,000. 36 times what they want for a nationwide presidential ad that doesn't yet exist.

No, no, no, this doesn't add up at all.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: thisismyusername on April 12, 2016, 12:56:43 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 11, 2016, 02:49:45 PM

I'm also still not sure why Hillary isn't "likeable." She seems perfectly fine in her speeches and interviews.

Exhibit A:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-static-noise-speech_us_570930dae4b0836057a16748

Exhibit B:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-told-wall-street-to-cut-it-out-not-so-much-the-record-shows-213363

Exhibit B.2 which is really C:

Just look at her top donators and then go back to exhibit A.  (http://i.imgur.com/lvDhYTL.png)

If she can't be forward/transparent about this what will she be forward with elsewhere? (And no, obviously she's not gonna say "I'm totally in Wall Streets Pocket." But :comeon  if she can't let reporters into those fundraising events with the "1%," how can you trust her elsewhere? Confidentiality only runs so far in regards to national security, not her fucking fundraising events.)

She flips only when the opportunity arises on getting her voters. I've stated it before and I'll state it again: I don't get why black voters and gay men are so ga-ga over her. She has done nothing (IMO) for either of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 12:59:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVv5HghAIvQ

EXCLUSIVE: Border Patrol Agents Demand GOP Provide ‘Free, Fair and Open Elections in America’ (http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/11/national-border-patrol-council-voters-disenfranchised-protect-gop-establishment/)

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I am calling today on the Republican Party to promise free, fair and open elections in America. All candidates should join in this demand. Elections should mean that the people – not party insiders – choose the nominee. We will never secure our immigration system unless the raw will of the American people is imposed through the ballot box. Clearly, politicians and special interests will continue to betray America’s interests if they are left to their own devices.

Quote from: http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/04/11/victims-illegal-alien-crime-sham-colorado-cruz-win-third-world-tyranny/

The American victims who have lost their children to illegal alien crime denounced Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX)97%’s “voterless victory” in Colorado.

The victims who endorsed Donald Trump said that they were appalled by the state GOP’s attempt to “silence” the American people. “The arrangement in Colorado is a sham. I can’t really call it an election. Ted Cruz is not for Americans,” said Cruz constituent Laura Wilkerson. “He is as bought and paid for as Hillary Clinton.”

“This needs to be a wake up call for Americans,” said Texas resident Dan Golvach. “We have been sleep walking into a third world tyranny with the two main parties. This also shows you who Ted Cruz has crawled into bed with politically speaking… He’s nothing more than a poster boy for the plutocrats. I have no use for him or the plutocrat media complex that has been pushing these type of candidates on us.”

Dan Golvach and Laura Wilkerson are both Cruz constituents. While Cruz was in the U.S. Senate, an illegal alien randomly chose 25-year-old Spencer Golvach’s “head as target practice”– shooting and murdering Spencer. On his way home from school six years ago, 18-year-old Joshua Wilkerson was tied up, beaten, strangled, set on fire, and tortured to death by his illegal alien classmate.

Laura Wilkerson said, “After meeting him [Sen. Cruz] and testifying in front of him, in July last of year, [we heard] nothing. Not once has he reached out to a Texas American family that has lost a loved one from an illegal alien hands. I have seen the Ted Cruz that I met completely change his position on immigration. Right now he is as bought and paid for as Hillary Clinton. People should be outraged that the kids from Colorado who are fighting for America can’t even vote for the leader of America. It’s not right.”

Quote from: http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/breaking-new-jersey-judge-decide-cruz-eligible-run-due-birth-canada/

This won’t please the GOP party elites one bit!
A New Jersey judge heard arguments today on behalf of law professor Victor Williams and a group of concerned citizens regarding Senator Ted Cruz’s eligibility to run for president in the upcoming primary election.

(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/cruz-canada-flag-575x347.jpg)
Cruz was born in Canada and was a Canadian citizen until 2014.
PIX11 reported:

A New Jersey judge is weighing whether Sen. Ted Cruz should be disqualified from appearing on the state’s presidential primary ballot because he was born in Canada.

Judge Jeff Masin heard arguments Monday on behalf of the Texas Republican and two challengers, including Catholic University of America law professor Victor Williams and a group of concerned New Jersey residents.

Masin says he expects to rule Tuesday on procedural questions and the underlying issue of whether Cruz satisfies the constitutional requirement that the president be a natural-born citizen.

HE WAS RIGHT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8FSyI_Djg
WE DIDN'T LISTEN

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Trent Dole on April 12, 2016, 02:21:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqUUlBwtKNs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Syph on April 12, 2016, 09:31:17 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 12:39:13 AM

(https://www.citizensuperpac.com/image/data/railroad.png)

Opposed to name change?!?

This Texas mailer was backed for $18,000. 36 times what they want for a nationwide presidential ad that doesn't yet exist.

No, no, no, this doesn't add up at all.

Who is John Galt

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Brehvolution on April 12, 2016, 10:22:07 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 12:39:13 AM

(https://www.citizensuperpac.com/image/data/railroad.png)

Opposed to name change?!?

This Texas mailer was backed for $18,000. 36 times what they want for a nationwide presidential ad that doesn't yet exist.

No, no, no, this doesn't add up at all.

Only in Texas can you support "free market principles" while making support for renewable energy a negative.

When we say 'free market', we mean free from competition!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 12, 2016, 10:23:48 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on April 12, 2016, 12:56:43 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 11, 2016, 02:49:45 PM

I'm also still not sure why Hillary isn't "likeable." She seems perfectly fine in her speeches and interviews.

Exhibit A:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-static-noise-speech_us_570930dae4b0836057a16748

Exhibit B:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/11/hillary-clinton-told-wall-street-to-cut-it-out-not-so-much-the-record-shows-213363

Exhibit B.2 which is really C:

Just look at her top donators and then go back to exhibit A.  (http://i.imgur.com/lvDhYTL.png)

If she can't be forward/transparent about this what will she be forward with elsewhere? (And no, obviously she's not gonna say "I'm totally in Wall Streets Pocket." But :comeon  if she can't let reporters into those fundraising events with the "1%," how can you trust her elsewhere? Confidentiality only runs so far in regards to national security, not her fucking fundraising events.)

She flips only when the opportunity arises on getting her voters. I've stated it before and I'll state it again: I don't get why black voters and gay men are so ga-ga over her. She has done nothing (IMO) for either of them.

"just look at her top donators" is such a stale argument. you know why bernie sanders asks people to donate $27 all the time? because it's how he can make sure they're not over the line at which they have to report their employer, so nobody can say "LOOK AT HIS TOP DONATORS" as if they think as a bloc.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 11:20:22 AM

Those links aren't really indictments of her likeability anyways. And if we're disqualifying candidates based on their donors, Obama's out too.

I also like how only Hillary gets dinged for "flipping" when that's the job of literally every politician ever. You're supposed to represent your constituents, yet somehow when they change their views you're not allowed to follow (if you're Hillary.)

Potential explanations for why black voters like her: (https://medium.com/@marcushjohnson/why-black-voters-support-hillary-clinton-afcf7e6ff5bb#.nslwqyyi8)

Quote

Being associated with Black people was not popular politically at the time, in fact, Republicans had rode anti-Black sentiment to rousing success over the past several decades. Democratic Presidential candidates in 1984 and 1988 largely ignored Black voters and went for the white working class vote (it didn’t work out so well). The Clintons were in that political environment, and they still decided to build relationships with Black voters... President Clinton appointed the most diverse Cabinet in US history when it wasn’t popular to do so. Bill Clinton appointed seven Black Cabinet Secretaries. He appointed more Black people to federal judgeships than were appointed all of 16 years prior to his taking office...

Hillary Clinton, in particular, took a strong policy stance in the Clinton Administration... She played a significant part in most of the administration’s successes, and her effectiveness led to her being elected Senator and eventually serving as Secretary of State under President Obama.

Black voters aren’t stupid, they remember the Clintons fondly for a reason. The Clintons had near universal support from Black voters at the end of Bill Clinton’s Presidency, largely because their policies worked well.

Potential explanations for why LGBT voters like her: (https://medium.com/@garrettmeyer/why-i-put-some-ice-on-that-bern-a7741114e812#.iv16ryhcs)

Quote

Recently, the Human Rights Campaign chose to endorse Hillary Clinton (which many Bernie Sanders supporters scoffed at). However, upon seeing the lengths that Secretary Clinton would go to in order to prevent and protect this community makes it abundantly clear why they chose to do so. She has put forth the most pro-LGBT policy proposal (http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/06/10-promises-hillary-clinton-just-made-lgbt-americans) that I have ever seen in a presidential candidate.

Bernie Sanders says on his website that he would be an LGBT friendly president, which I fully believe. However, the specificity of Clinton’s policies really drew attention to me (namely, advocating for the federal Equality Act, removing the ban on transgender Americans from serving in the military, addressing the crisis of transphobic violence that impacts primarily women of color, bailing out jailed LGBT activists abroad, etc.). Hillary Clinton wouldn’t just be “a friendly face” in the White House; she would fight for people like me.

Not gonna say these are gospel but her support from these groups clearly didn't happen by accident.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:18:26 PM

Let's all take a brief second to acknowledge what really runs this country;

(http://abload.de/img/1439293364_gta-moneynikkn.gif)

Okay, back to politics;

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:22:14 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 11:20:22 AM

Those links aren't really indictments of her likeability anyways. And if we're disqualifying candidates based on their donors, Obama's out too.

I also like how only Hillary gets dinged for "flipping" when that's the job of literally every politician ever. You're supposed to represent your constituents, yet somehow when they change their views you're not allowed to follow (if you're Hillary.)

Potential explanations for why black voters like her: (https://medium.com/@marcushjohnson/why-black-voters-support-hillary-clinton-afcf7e6ff5bb#.nslwqyyi8)

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Being associated with Black people was not popular politically at the time, in fact, Republicans had rode anti-Black sentiment to rousing success over the past several decades. Democratic Presidential candidates in 1984 and 1988 largely ignored Black voters and went for the white working class vote (it didn’t work out so well). The Clintons were in that political environment, and they still decided to build relationships with Black voters... President Clinton appointed the most diverse Cabinet in US history when it wasn’t popular to do so. Bill Clinton appointed seven Black Cabinet Secretaries. He appointed more Black people to federal judgeships than were appointed all of 16 years prior to his taking office...

Hillary Clinton, in particular, took a strong policy stance in the Clinton Administration... She played a significant part in most of the administration’s successes, and her effectiveness led to her being elected Senator and eventually serving as Secretary of State under President Obama.

Black voters aren’t stupid, they remember the Clintons fondly for a reason. The Clintons had near universal support from Black voters at the end of Bill Clinton’s Presidency, largely because their policies worked well.

Potential explanations for why LGBT voters like her: (https://medium.com/@garrettmeyer/why-i-put-some-ice-on-that-bern-a7741114e812#.iv16ryhcs)

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Recently, the Human Rights Campaign chose to endorse Hillary Clinton (which many Bernie Sanders supporters scoffed at). However, upon seeing the lengths that Secretary Clinton would go to in order to prevent and protect this community makes it abundantly clear why they chose to do so. She has put forth the most pro-LGBT policy proposal (http://www.advocate.com/election/2015/10/06/10-promises-hillary-clinton-just-made-lgbt-americans) that I have ever seen in a presidential candidate.

Bernie Sanders says on his website that he would be an LGBT friendly president, which I fully believe. However, the specificity of Clinton’s policies really drew attention to me (namely, advocating for the federal Equality Act, removing the ban on transgender Americans from serving in the military, addressing the crisis of transphobic violence that impacts primarily women of color, bailing out jailed LGBT activists abroad, etc.). Hillary Clinton wouldn’t just be “a friendly face” in the White House; she would fight for people like me.

Not gonna say these are gospel but her support from these groups clearly didn't happen by accident.

You getting paid to astroturf for this criminal bitch or what?

Let me know when she actually is honest about either of the following: Benghazi or Whitewater.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 12, 2016, 12:26:23 PM

Okay who had April 12th for AiA to go full Benghazi?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:30:54 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 12, 2016, 12:26:23 PM

Okay who had April 12th for AiA to go full Benghazi?

I can not, for the life of me fathom how you people shit on the value of American lives to defend somebody who would clearly shit all over you if she needed to. I'm not one of those dudes to put it 100% on her, because no decision is made in a vacuum, but the bitch fucked up and needs to say as much.

Just saying.


Also go read up on whitewater since I'm sure you have no idea what it is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 12, 2016, 12:48:14 PM

Dude, fuck Hillary, but bringing up Benghazi at this point ain't a good look

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:51:19 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 12, 2016, 12:48:14 PM

Dude, fuck Hillary, but bringing up Benghazi at this point ain't a good look

See I'll never understand this liberal way of thinking. People are still hammering George Bush for shit but DONT DARE mention Benghazi again. You can't have it both ways, bro.

Circular arguments and feigned intellectual advantages. The way of the modern democrat. This is why the rest of the world laughs at us now, thanks.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 12, 2016, 01:01:02 PM

Well I suppose no one can accuse you of feigning intellectualism if you're equating GWB's entire tenure to Benghazi

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:03:37 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on April 12, 2016, 01:01:02 PM

Well I suppose no one can accuse you of feigning intellectualism if you're equating GWB's entire tenure to Benghazi

A matter of opinion. Which we are all allowed to have. Well unless you question the Clinton's, then you're just a racist sexist republican, am i right?


https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2015/10/30/media-turn-deaf-ear-to-hillarys-glaring-mistakes/

:umad


Terrorist hits on United States under Bush post 9/11 versus hits during Obama tenure anyone? Thought so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:22:14 PM

You getting paid to astroturf for this criminal bitch or what?

Let me know when she actually is honest about either of the following: Benghazi or Whitewater.

"Criminal" isn't an accurate term, since she has yet to face any jailtime. "Bitch" is slightly more accurate but it also highlights the pervasive sexist attitudes Hillary Clinton has had to deal with her entire career.

Eight separate Benghazi committees, including a Republican-led committee which grilled Hillary for eight hours straight, all failed to produce anything substantial against her. The entire circus was a pointless waste of time and money, championed by the GOP in yet another desperate bid to tear a Clinton down. And it completely failed.

As for Whitewater, it's comical to bring that up against Hillary two decades later, since the Clinton's did nothing wrong and weren't convicted. That "scandal" is literally as old as I am.

Bring up her emails next, I'm waiting. (https://i.imgur.com/kVVKxHZ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:05:51 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 12, 2016, 12:26:23 PM

Okay who had April 12th for AiA to go full Benghazi?

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Boogie on April 12, 2016, 01:06:25 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:51:19 PM

Circular arguments and feigned intellectual advantages. The way of the modern democrat. This is why the rest of the world laughs at us now, thanks.

I've laughed at America a lot in the past 12 months.

But that is not one of the reasons why.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:06:56 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:22:14 PM

You getting paid to astroturf for this criminal bitch or what?

Let me know when she actually is honest about either of the following: Benghazi or Whitewater.

"Criminal" isn't an accurate term, since she has yet to face any jailtime. "Bitch" is more accurate but it also highlights the pervasive sexist attitudes Hillary Clinton has had to deal with her entire career.

Eight separate Benghazi committees, including a Republican-led committee which grilled Hillary for eight hours straight, all failed to produce anything substantial against her. The entire circus was a pointless waste of time and money, championed by the GOP in yet another desperate bid to tear a Clinton down. And it completely failed.

As for Whitewater, it's comical to bring that up against Hillary two decades later, since the Clinton's did nothing wrong and weren't convicted. That "scandal" is literally as old as I am.

Bring up her emails next, I'm waiting. (https://i.imgur.com/kVVKxHZ.png)

Let's start here

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1. Clinton originated the false narrative about a YouTube video protest — Using Clinton's emails and calls as proof, Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, accused her of lying to the American people, telling them that the incident in Benghazi was a protest that got out of hand, instead of what it really was: a terrorist attack.

"So if there's no evidence for a video-inspired protest, then where did the false narrative start? It started with you, Madam Secretary," said Jordan, Real Clear Politics reported. "Here's what you said at 11 o'clock that night, approximately one hour after you told the American people it was a video, you say to your family, 'Two officers were killed today in Benghazi by an al-Qaida- like group.' You tell — you tell the American people one thing, you tell your family an entirely different story. Also on the night of the attack, you had a call with the president of Libya. Here's what you said to him: 'Ansar al-Sharia is claiming responsibility.' It's interesting; Mr. Khattala, one of the guys arrested in charge actually belonged to that group. And finally, most significantly, the next day, within 24 hours, you had a conversation with the Egyptian prime minister. You told him this: 'We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.'"

Caught lying. Defend that and we'll move along.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Boogie on April 12, 2016, 01:14:37 PM

Okay.

But what exactly is criminal about that?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:16:13 PM

Quote from: Boogie on April 12, 2016, 01:14:37 PM

Okay.

But what exactly is criminal about that?

Lying to the American public certainly isn't criminal. But it's building towards something, let Tasty get his defense in and we will move along.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:17:45 PM

Quote from: Boogie on April 12, 2016, 01:14:37 PM

Okay.

But what exactly is criminal about that?

Also, intelligence moves fast. What might be true at 11pm might be completely different an entire hour later, especially for an actively unfolding political situation.

In general:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Or rather, in this instance, ignorance pending further information.

You're trying to say Hillary is omniscient and knew everything about the situation as it was happening in real-time, while also saying she seriously fucked up. Can't have it both ways.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:25:33 PM

Let's be real. A CIA annex got shot to shit in Benghazi. We will never know exactly what happened. Whether it was a protest or an arms deal to smuggle weapons into another country, we'll never know for sure. What we do know is that this story has been tarnished with blatant lies to insinuate Obama or Hillary committed treason. There was no stand down order. Obama wasn't watching Stevens die on a live feed video.

Terrorists blow shit up. They attack embassies overseas. But despite countless cases of embassies being attacked under Bush I don't remember a single time where democrats turned it into a political grenade or accused him of letting Americans die. Nobody gives a fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:27:04 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:17:45 PM

Quote from: Boogie on April 12, 2016, 01:14:37 PM

Okay.

But what exactly is criminal about that?

Also, intelligence moves fast. What might be true at 11pm might be completely different an entire hour later, especially for an actively unfolding political situation.

In general:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Or rather, in this instance, ignorance pending further information.

You're trying to say Hillary is omniscient and knew everything about the situation as it was happening in real-time, while also saying she seriously fucked up. Can't have it both ways.

Okay. Now did Clinton have responsibility for Steven's safety or did she not? Was he able to contact her directly? Go ahead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:28:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:25:33 PM

Let's be real. A CIA annex got shot to shit in Benghazi. We will never know exactly what happened. Whether it was a protest or an arms deal to smuggle weapons into another country, we'll never know for sure. What we do know is that this story has been tarnished with blatant lies to insinuate Obama or Hillary committed treason. There was no stand down order. Obama wasn't watching Stevens die on a live feed video.

Terrorists blow shit up. They attack embassies overseas. But despite countless cases of embassies being attacked under Bush I don't remember a single time where democrats turned it into a political grenade or accused him of letting Americans die. Nobody gives a fuck.

She lied, come on man. It's on the level of her landing "under sniper fire" and other bullshit she's strung out the last few decades. She gets no pass for being dishonest from me. Of all of the underwhelming candidates for President this year, she is clearly the most professional liar. At least she's been caught the most. Not sure why you want that as a leader, but the choice is yours.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:30:50 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:27:04 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:17:45 PM

Quote from: Boogie on April 12, 2016, 01:14:37 PM

Okay.

But what exactly is criminal about that?

Also, intelligence moves fast. What might be true at 11pm might be completely different an entire hour later, especially for an actively unfolding political situation.

In general:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Or rather, in this instance, ignorance pending further information.

You're trying to say Hillary is omniscient and knew everything about the situation as it was happening in real-time, while also saying she seriously fucked up. Can't have it both ways.

Okay. Now did Clinton have responsibility for Steven's safety or did she not? Was he able to contact her directly? Go ahead

Like I said:

You're trying to say Hillary is omniscient and knew everything about the situation as it was happening in real-time, while also saying she seriously fucked up. Can't have it both ways.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 01:32:10 PM

Talking to a conservative about Benghazi in 2016 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:33:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 01:32:10 PM

Talking to a conservative about Benghazi in 2016 :dead

Again the minute you stop crying about Bush, i'll stop giving you shit about Clinton. They both were responsible for the death of american lives, whether the fuck you like it or not.

And notice I have never and will never trash obama on this shit, because he doesn't deserve it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:33:24 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:30:50 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:27:04 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:17:45 PM

Quote from: Boogie on April 12, 2016, 01:14:37 PM

Okay.

But what exactly is criminal about that?

Also, intelligence moves fast. What might be true at 11pm might be completely different an entire hour later, especially for an actively unfolding political situation.

In general:

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Or rather, in this instance, ignorance pending further information.

You're trying to say Hillary is omniscient and knew everything about the situation as it was happening in real-time, while also saying she seriously fucked up. Can't have it both ways.

Okay. Now did Clinton have responsibility for Steven's safety or did she not? Was he able to contact her directly? Go ahead

Like I said:

You're trying to say Hillary is omniscient and knew everything about the situation as it was happening in real-time, while also saying she seriously fucked up. Can't have it both ways.

I want an answer. Could Stevens reach Clinton or not? And I don't mean that day, I mean ever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:38:06 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:33:24 PM

I want an answer. Could Stevens reach Clinton or not? And I don't mean that day, I mean ever.

You're backpedaling from "Hillary is a criminal cause of Benghazi!" to "Hillary lied to the American people!" to "Hillary was responsible for Stevens!" breh. :umad

Getting the picture why all eight committees failed to pin anything on her?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:38:59 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:38:06 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:33:24 PM

I want an answer. Could Stevens reach Clinton or not? And I don't mean that day, I mean ever.

You're backpedaling from "Hillary lied to the American people" to "Hillary was responsible for Stevens" breh. :umad

Where did I backpedal? She did both.

Answer the question. Or at least google it so you seem like you know the facts.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:40:48 PM

I'm not going to humor you until you come out with what your point is. Every new response I post leads to "well what about-" without you actually addressing anything I'm saying. I'm done. :badass

Probably should have known better.  :dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:41:17 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:33:01 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 01:32:10 PM

Talking to a conservative about Benghazi in 2016 :dead

Again the minute you stop crying about Bush, i'll stop giving you shit about Clinton. They both were responsible for the death of american lives, whether the fuck you like it or not.

I guarantee you that Bush has been mentioned less than Benghazi in this entire thread. You're imagining specters of attacks not there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:43:35 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:40:48 PM

I'm not going to humor you until you come out with what your point is. Every new response I post leads to "well what about-" without you actually addressing anything I'm saying. I'm done. :badass

Probably should have known better.  :dunno

I asked you two questions, you have answered none of them and I'm the one who backpedals? It's not my fault you're uneducated on the situation so I'll just get to the point.

At best she abandoned her duty to pursue her own political agenda, at worst it was a criminal neglect of her sworn duties as a representative of the United States. The truth is somewhere in the middle. This may be okay to you but it isn't okay to anyone who serves or served. You think the military is a fan of hers? Wait until they vote.


:trash

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Hillary isn't the only person who peddled a cover story about Benghazi. And let's not forget the government's story about the Bin Laden raid has changed as well. I just find it odd that we can have conversations about covert shit and not even acknowledge the reality that the government lies about this shit all the time and we never find out the truth.

Nobody died because of Hillary. So I see no point in throwing her in the bushes over this shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:46:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Nobody died because of Hillary. So I see no point in throwing her in the bushes over this shit.

They died working for her did they not? Of course they did. Shit rolls downhill last time I checked, Percy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 12, 2016, 01:48:05 PM

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/18/world/middleeast/apprehension-of-ahmed-abu-khattala-may-begin-to-answer-questions-on-assault.html

On the day of the attack, Islamists in Cairo had staged a demonstration outside the United States Embassy there to protest an American-made online video mocking Islam, and the protest culminated in a breach of the embassy’s walls — images that flashed through news coverage around the Arab world.

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As the attack in Benghazi was unfolding a few hours later, Mr. Abu Khattala told fellow Islamist fighters and others that the assault was retaliation for the same insulting video, according to people who heard him.

 :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:54:31 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:46:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Nobody died because of Hillary. So I see no point in throwing her in the bushes over this shit.

They died working for her did they not? Of course they did. Shit rolls downhill last time I checked, Percy.

They died in service of the United States. Are we seriously having this discussion? They were carrying out interests of US foreign/diplomatic policy, or CIA fuckery. You make it sound like Hillary personally sent them there to pick up some gyros for her lunch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 01:55:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:46:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Nobody died because of Hillary. So I see no point in throwing her in the bushes over this shit.

They died working for her did they not? Of course they did. Shit rolls downhill last time I checked, Percy.

Lol this is such a reductionist argument. :lol By this logic Obama should be indicted because all the soldiers died on his watch.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:54:31 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:46:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 01:45:51 PM

Nobody died because of Hillary. So I see no point in throwing her in the bushes over this shit.

They died working for her did they not? Of course they did. Shit rolls downhill last time I checked, Percy.

They died in service of the United States. Are we seriously having this discussion? They were carrying out interests of US foreign/diplomatic policy, or CIA fuckery. You make it sound like Hillary personally sent them there to pick up some gyros for her lunch.

Dude.

She lied.

They DIED.

Q.E.D.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:56:49 PM

Yes who needs accountability when we can all point our fingers in a big circle. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Her post, her responsibility. Period.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: brob on April 12, 2016, 01:58:31 PM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 02:03:35 PM

Quote from: brob on April 12, 2016, 01:58:31 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 02:09:51 PM

Wouldn't the buck stop with Obama? Hillary was carrying out his policies right? I just find this convo weird as fuck that we're blaming anyone for this. It's not like this is 911 where you have officials ignoring security risks. This is a case of a CIA annex being hit in a war torn country we had little control of. Which goes back to my complaint that nobody gives a shit about all the embassies and govt buildings that were attacked in other countries during Bush's terms.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 02:21:28 PM

Fuck now I want to send some employees for gyros :preach

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 02:57:33 PM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 12, 2016, 03:03:17 PM

hey guys what's going on in th :noooo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2016, 03:49:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:56:49 PM

Yes who needs accountability when we can all point our fingers in a big circle. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit. Her post, her responsibility. Period.

We're all going to be her responsibility in about 8 months. Can't wait to blame the upcoming financial collapse on Hillarycareghazi. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2016, 06:02:36 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 12, 2016, 12:26:23 PM

Okay who had April 12th for AiA to go full Benghazi?

Dude, Behghazi was the subject of maybe his first post in this thread.

I remember him saying JFK and Reagan would never mislead the public about something where Americans had died, and everyone was :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Trent Dole on April 12, 2016, 06:05:52 PM

Ok so nothing AiA says that is politically oriented is even remotely worth of consideration then, got it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 06:20:53 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on April 12, 2016, 06:05:52 PM

Ok so nothing AiA says that is politically oriented is even remotely worth of consideration then, got it.

Ok. Seriously though who are you?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2016, 06:31:56 PM

Just read the last page.  You day drinking, AIA?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: tiesto on April 12, 2016, 07:16:22 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 12, 2016, 03:07:13 PM

Dinesh D'Souza and his Goan fuccery  :brazilcry

Goa Trance :rock :rock :rock

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpnT0rt3ZJQ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 07:44:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 12, 2016, 06:31:56 PM

Just read the last page.  You day drinking, AIA?

probably (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44122.0)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 07:47:33 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 07:44:07 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 12, 2016, 06:31:56 PM

Just read the last page.  You day drinking, AIA?

probably (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44122.0)

:dead

Can't blame him though, I'd be doing the same

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 08:45:29 PM

Of all the Bernie fans I'm concerned will off themselves when Hillary is nominated this dude writing fan-fic over at Huff-po is definitely top of the list:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/sanders-become-democratic-nominee-even-if-clinton-leads-in-delegates_b_9657952.html?ir=Politics (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/sanders-become-democratic-nominee-even-if-clinton-leads-in-delegates_b_9657952.html?ir=Politics)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: doctavius bonbon on April 12, 2016, 08:52:27 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Is6fBDegr2HUA/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 12, 2016, 08:55:07 PM

Lot of good stuff there, but I think this one is my favorite:

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Why Did Hillary Clinton Need a Private Server? The Answer Makes Bernie Sanders President

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 09:05:17 PM

Another similarity between Sanders and Paul: both attract supporters who will pay you to deceive them. I respect Sanders enough to assume he won't be using his mailing list to milk supporters in coming years by selling...whatever is the gold equivalent for liberals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 12, 2016, 09:45:40 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 09:05:17 PM

I respect Sanders enough to assume he won't be using his mailing list to milk supporters in coming years by selling...whatever is the gold equivalent for liberals.

Carbon-offset Muslim abortions?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 12, 2016, 09:58:29 PM

My black friend Tim Black of Tim Black TV :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 10:02:36 PM

When tabloid rags endorse you, nothing stands in your way. :obama

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf4LDi5WQAAwjia.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 10:07:12 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cf4aUSIWsAI6Q6l.jpg:large)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAnGnevKxJE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 12, 2016, 10:11:34 PM

Hillary was always inevitable.  Doesn't mean people aren't going to vote Berine. But she was inevitable.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 12, 2016, 10:19:19 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 12, 2016, 10:11:34 PM

Hillary was always inevitable.  Doesn't mean people aren't going to vote Berine. But she was inevitable.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/AAhNWwaFr1iMg/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 12, 2016, 11:10:24 PM

I know AIA is our resident conservative, but he seriously also a BENGHAZI!-er as well?

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:06:56 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 12, 2016, 01:05:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 12:22:14 PM

You getting paid to astroturf for this criminal bitch or what?

Let me know when she actually is honest about either of the following: Benghazi or Whitewater.

"Criminal" isn't an accurate term, since she has yet to face any jailtime. "Bitch" is more accurate but it also highlights the pervasive sexist attitudes Hillary Clinton has had to deal with her entire career.

Eight separate Benghazi committees, including a Republican-led committee which grilled Hillary for eight hours straight, all failed to produce anything substantial against her. The entire circus was a pointless waste of time and money, championed by the GOP in yet another desperate bid to tear a Clinton down. And it completely failed.

As for Whitewater, it's comical to bring that up against Hillary two decades later, since the Clinton's did nothing wrong and weren't convicted. That "scandal" is literally as old as I am.

Bring up her emails next, I'm waiting. (https://i.imgur.com/kVVKxHZ.png)

Let's start here

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1. Clinton originated the false narrative about a YouTube video protest — Using Clinton's emails and calls as proof, Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, accused her of lying to the American people, telling them that the incident in Benghazi was a protest that got out of hand, instead of what it really was: a terrorist attack.

"So if there's no evidence for a video-inspired protest, then where did the false narrative start? It started with you, Madam Secretary," said Jordan, Real Clear Politics reported. "Here's what you said at 11 o'clock that night, approximately one hour after you told the American people it was a video, you say to your family, 'Two officers were killed today in Benghazi by an al-Qaida- like group.' You tell — you tell the American people one thing, you tell your family an entirely different story. Also on the night of the attack, you had a call with the president of Libya. Here's what you said to him: 'Ansar al-Sharia is claiming responsibility.' It's interesting; Mr. Khattala, one of the guys arrested in charge actually belonged to that group. And finally, most significantly, the next day, within 24 hours, you had a conversation with the Egyptian prime minister. You told him this: 'We know the attack in Libya had nothing to do with the film. It was a planned attack, not a protest.'"

Caught lying. Defend that and we'll move along.

That stupid quote from Jordan doesn't prove a damn thing. Here's what seems to have happened:

1. That dumbass youtube video was released by that right-wing douchebag filmmaker, and that led to protests all over the Middle East, in places like Cairo and Tunisia.
2. After the assault on BENGHAZI!, some Al Qaeda affiliated group took credit for it. This is why Hillary sent that e-mail to her daughter saying that it was a terrorist attack, because that's what the fucking terrorists said it was!
3. Sometime in the next few days after the attack, that Al Qaeda group retracted the statement taking credit for it.
4. Because that stupid youtube video caused the protests (again) ALL OVER THE MIDDLE EAST, presumably people figured that it would be reasonable to assume that the same thing happened in BENGHAZI! as well, what with also being in a Middle East country.


If you're truly serious about believing in the BENGHAZI! conspiracy, then maybe you can answer some questions for me that have been bugging me since this inane farce started.


- How does blaming Amb. Stevens death from protests and riots due to a youtube video make things easier for Obama to be re-elected?
- If Obama/Hillary were trying to "coverup" the terrorist attack by blaming it on the video, why did Obama say in a press conference THE VERY NEXT FUCKING DAY that it was a terrorist attack? (this one seems to have gotten lost in the memory hole for some reason, which is odd considering the huge deal it was during the second debate with Romney).
- We've had eight fucking investigations so far. EIGHT! And in one of them, the House Intelligence committee released a thorough report admitting that Hillary did NOTHING negligent, or misleading. Are the House Republicans on the Obama/Hillary payroll too?
- If Obama/Hillary were in fact trying to "coverup" BENGHAZI! by blaming it on a youtube video, that plan fell apart within days as everyone in the administration admitted it was due to terrorists. Was that due to brilliant DEE-tective work by Republicans?
- Are you seriously arguing that we should have sent dozens and dozens more of our HEROIC TROOPS to risk their lives to save an Obama lackey? I mean, I guess it's nice to know that conservatives (at least in this instance) value a Democrat appointee's life more than the lives of several of our brave soldiers.
- Seriously, how the fuck does letting your own Ambassador die make for GOOD politics?


edit: and this mofo actually used the "Bush kept us safe after 9/11 but we've had terrorist attacks under Obama!" card, which makes me think he's gotta be trolling.

...right?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 12, 2016, 11:11:44 PM

What the fuck at the last page.  AiA 😂

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 12, 2016, 11:25:11 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 12, 2016, 02:09:51 PM

Wouldn't the buck stop with Obama? Hillary was carrying out his policies right? I just find this convo weird as fuck that we're blaming anyone for this. It's not like this is 911 where you have officials ignoring security risks. This is a case of a CIA annex being hit in a war torn country we had little control of. Which goes back to my complaint that nobody gives a shit about all the embassies and govt buildings that were attacked in other countries during Bush's terms.

And this is another thing. You notice how during the election and up until some time last year, the primary target of BENGHAZI! was Obama, but just COINCIDENTALLY enough, all attention began to be focused on Hillary when it was clear she was running for president?

Yeah, total coincidence.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 13, 2016, 12:17:51 AM

Obama soft on cripples.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 13, 2016, 12:21:37 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on April 12, 2016, 11:11:44 PM

What the fuck at the last page.  AiA 😂

He's a total clown LOL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 13, 2016, 01:43:47 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:43:35 PM

This may be okay to you but it isn't okay to anyone who serves or served.

(http://i.imgur.com/5bbeOj3.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: chronovore on April 13, 2016, 02:47:21 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 06, 2016, 10:38:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXYzgTLoQjY

Gov't. Scott flinched:
https://youtu.be/wwRx8-Hjlk0
http://townhall.com/video/gov-scott-responds-to-latte-liberal-in-new-ad-n2146080

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:25:03 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2016, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 13, 2016, 01:43:47 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:43:35 PM

This may be okay to you but it isn't okay to anyone who serves or served.

(http://i.imgur.com/5bbeOj3.png)

Yeah, is it frequent that the Republican party speaks of you servicemen as a monolith opinion-wise? Purely anecdotal but I feel like i've met almost as many libertarian servicemen as I have neocons as well as a smattering of people on the other side of the spectrum (please no jokes).

Your ass flap when you talk out of it?


http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/03/14/military-times-election-survey-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/81767560/

Hillary sitting at 11.7% putting her behind a marxist, an idiot, and an philanderer.   

Go sit down.

:ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 13, 2016, 10:28:01 AM

According to that article, they back Trump and Sanders most, but I see nothing at all that contradicts what he's saying.

(http://i.imgur.com/cFsoAtp.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:30:21 AM

Quote from: Rufus on April 13, 2016, 10:28:01 AM

According to that article, they back Trump and Sanders most, but I see nothing at all that contradicts what he's saying.

(http://i.imgur.com/cFsoAtp.jpg)

He stated troops aren't republican based. Numbers say he is wrong. I wish you liberals could just accept your L's with grace instead of trying to pick at one little piece of a statement, christ it's annoying.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:31:22 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2016, 10:30:55 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:25:03 AM

Your ass flap when you talk out of it?


http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/03/14/military-times-election-survey-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/81767560/

Hillary sitting at 11.7% putting her behind a marxist, an idiot, and an philanderer.   

Go sit down.

:ufup

 I asked a serviceman about his opinions on their representation in politics, and you went ahead and spoke for servicemen again.

(http://i.imgur.com/5bbeOj3.png)

You asked 1 servicemen, I gave you the response of 100's in a non-bias manner (I know that part is hard for libs to understand)

Take your L, fatass. Your chair is over there.


Sigh....but to be real the military draws from people right in the republican wheelhouse. It's strange that 1/2 our party is in poverty but it is what it is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:38:16 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2016, 10:37:26 AM

I asked Biz for his opinion on something that isn't quantitative though, I asked him for his personal perspective.

#respectthetroops

(http://i.imgur.com/zIESfoh.png)

I thought I was talking to PD, fam    :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf


My bad Esch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 13, 2016, 10:39:07 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:30:21 AM

Quote from: Rufus on April 13, 2016, 10:28:01 AM

According to that article, they back Trump and Sanders most, but I see nothing at all that contradicts what he's saying.

(http://i.imgur.com/cFsoAtp.jpg)

He stated troops aren't republican based. Numbers say he is wrong. I wish you liberals could just accept your L's with grace instead of trying to pick at one little piece of a statement, christ it's annoying.

No, this is what he stated, read it again:
"Purely anecdotal but I feel like i've met almost as many libertarian servicemen as I have neocons as well as a smattering of people on the other side of the spectrum (please no jokes)."

What he's saying is, they are a diverse group of people (as any other), and you went ahead and proved him right. Only you somehow think you're having an argument about something nobody said, and suprise of surprises, iny our head you're even winning.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:38:16 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2016, 10:37:26 AM

I asked Biz for his opinion on something that isn't quantitative though, I asked him for his personal perspective.

#respectthetroops

(http://i.imgur.com/zIESfoh.png)

I thought I was talking to PD, fam    :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf


My bad Esch.

God damn, dude. You're not even that old yet. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:41:01 AM

Army votes conservative. I was correct. Stop inventing strawman arguments


Edit: Ran my old ass directly into my glass door this morning. Probably working on concussion number 21 now  :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 13, 2016, 10:44:20 AM

Be in the military and support a presidential candidate who you know you'll likely have to disobey an order from brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 13, 2016, 10:44:59 AM

Don't challenge a pedant on pedantry, OK. :ufup

Army votes everything. More republican, but not exclusively. It's not a general election, winner takes all doesn't transfer to this domain.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:46:28 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 13, 2016, 10:44:20 AM

Be in the military and support a presidential candidate who you know you'll likely have to disobey an order from brehs.

No that would be Hillary and she only getting 11 beans breh, all good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Boogie on April 13, 2016, 11:15:21 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:38:16 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2016, 10:37:26 AM

I asked Biz for his opinion on something that isn't quantitative though, I asked him for his personal perspective.

#respectthetroops

(http://i.imgur.com/zIESfoh.png)

I thought I was talking to PD, fam    :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf


My bad Esch.

Damn, there goes my "AiA can only tell PD apart from the rest of us" theory.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2016, 11:53:42 AM

I think the problem was saying that one segment of the population votes and feels the same about a complicated issue. It would be like if I said that all black people were Democrats or something.

:hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2016, 11:58:26 AM

:drudge BREAKING NEWS :drudge

military servicemen are more conservative than liberal

:drudge BREAKING NEWS :drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: eleuin on April 13, 2016, 12:04:00 PM

https://twitter.com/clmazin/status/720259227067920385

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 13, 2016, 12:22:56 PM

Quote from: eleuin on April 13, 2016, 12:04:00 PM

https://twitter.com/clmazin/status/720259227067920385

:dead :dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 13, 2016, 01:06:38 PM

:letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 13, 2016, 01:19:43 PM

https://www.warren.senate.gov/?p=press_release&id=1110

good legislation. maybe it would help the sanders family get their tax returns together.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 04:10:08 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:25:03 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2016, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 13, 2016, 01:43:47 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:43:35 PM

This may be okay to you but it isn't okay to anyone who serves or served.

(http://i.imgur.com/5bbeOj3.png)

Yeah, is it frequent that the Republican party speaks of you servicemen as a monolith opinion-wise? Purely anecdotal but I feel like i've met almost as many libertarian servicemen as I have neocons as well as a smattering of people on the other side of the spectrum (please no jokes).

Your ass flap when you talk out of it?


http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/03/14/military-times-election-survey-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/81767560/

Hillary sitting at 11.7% putting her behind a marxist, an idiot, and an philanderer.   

Go sit down.

:ufup

I wait all day for a BENGHAZI! rebuttal only to have you switch gears to ARE TROOPS  :american :usacry

Answer ma goddamn questions! :punch

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 05:07:36 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/13/what_happened_to_paul_krugman_the_new_york_times_columnist_isnt_making_sense_partner/

Quote

He's been a voice of reason for decades, but Bernie derangement syndrome appears to be getting the best of him

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/276078-clintons-dismal-approval-ratings-prompt-dem-fears

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Hillary Clinton’s favorability ratings are historically low and increasingly a concern for her supporters.

Clinton is now viewed unfavorably by 55 percent of the electorate, according to the HuffPost Pollster average, which tracks findings from 42 different polling outfits. Only 40.2 percent of people view her favorably, according to that average.
...
Even Democrats acknowledge those findings are a problem.

“They’re pretty bad,” said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon, who connected the poor poll numbers to separate findings that show a broad number of Americans don’t trust Clinton.

“The No. 1 reason that her favorability is so bad is that you have large numbers of Americans who say they don’t trust her,” he said. “I could make it sound more complicated than that, but that’s really what it is. Voters see her as the ultimate politician, who will do or say anything to get elected.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/04/12/hillary-clintons-claim-that-the-highest-per-capita-number-of-crime-guns-in-new-york-come-from-vermont/

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The Clinton campaign said that controlling for population is a “critically important number, as it shows just how dangerous Vermont’s laws are relative to other states. If Vermont had the population of California, it would source roughly 3,800 crime guns each year to New York — far more than the top 15 total source states for New York crime guns combined.”

This combined with the thug colored people time scandal probably indicates that the party needs to oust Debbie and save itself at the convention by blocking the increasingly senile and racist Hillary Clinton campaign for bird-endorsed Bernie Sanders.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 13, 2016, 06:21:26 PM

This is probably the first election where both nominees will have high unfavorables.  The fuckery is going to be amazing because each candidate will try to prove the other one sucks more than they do.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 13, 2016, 06:26:05 PM

Yeah. Whoever ends up in the republican seat (Cruz) will have a swathe of the party who hates them.
Like I said Hillary was always inevitable. Yeah, she'll get the votes but its hard to act excited about something that is inevitable.
This is going to be a weird election. I can't remember one where people were so unexcited about the candidates. No one liked Romney but the Obama folks were excited. Kerry didn't get people excited but Bush had a huge ardent base. Bush vs Gore was a slug fest. This time it seems most of the voting population is unexcited in both camps, it's more about voting against the opposition.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 13, 2016, 06:51:39 PM

If Hillary Clinton Treated Jewish Americans Like She’s Treated African Americans, Democrats Would Notice (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/if-clinton-treated-jewish-americans-shes-treated-african-americans-democrats-would-notice_b_9679100.html)

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Perhaps as a white Jew, I have the luxury to make these observations, without needing to abide by “political pragmatism,” but there’s nothing pragmatic about FBI investigations or Clinton’s negative favorability ratings in every national poll.

(http://i.imgur.com/ODxu6qw.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 13, 2016, 07:10:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:25:03 AM

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/03/14/military-times-election-survey-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/81767560/

Googled "soldiers poll," first result.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 07:14:52 PM

Hillary's a nimrod, but she doesn't deserve to have such high unfavorables. It's all a result of two things: BENGHAZI! and e-mailgate. Both of which seem to breed significant mistrust among voters, despite 99% of them not being able to articulate what the problem with either actually is. It also gives the media an easy way to portray her negatively in order to maintain "balance" when she eventually runs against either Trump or Cruz.

"Sure, Mr. Trump has said that he would be willing to deploy nuclear weapons on our European allies, but it's not like Secretary Clinton has any right to criticize, what with her having a private e-mail server. :smug"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2016, 08:02:42 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 07:14:52 PM

Hillary's a nimrod, but she doesn't deserve to have such high unfavorables. It's all a result of two things: BENGHAZI! and e-mailgate. Both of which seem to breed significant mistrust among voters, despite 99% of them not being able to articulate what the problem with either actually is. It also gives the media an easy way to portray her negatively in order to maintain "balance" when she eventually runs against either Trump or Cruz.

"Sure, Mr. Trump has said that he would be willing to deploy nuclear weapons on our European allies, but it's not like Secretary Clinton has any right to criticize, what with her having a private e-mail server. :smug"

Hillary's problems run deeper and go further back than that.

She's been "embroiled" in a bunch of BS, nothingburger scandals for decades- shit like Whitewater, Vince Foster, Hillarycare, blah blah blah that the right has been throwing at her for forever.

Here's the thing: they do that to anyone on that stage. They did the same to Bill, too, and Obama. The difference between Obama and Hillary (and to a much larger extent, Bill) is that Obama doesn't make the same unforced errors that Hillary does. Think about it- can you imagine Obama making Wall St. speeches if he knew he was going to run? Having a private email server? Fuck no. Obama just sits there being competent (despite what the AiAs of the world would have you believe) making the accusations look stupid.

The Clintons do dumb shit. It's not even illegal or probably even unethical shit, but if you're running for President, or think you want to, you don't do shit like the Goldman Sachs speeches, the private email server, and if you're Bill you don't fuck everything that will let you. You don't give your opponents petty shit to throw at you that feeds their narrative that you're shady and incompetent.

That's Hillary's biggest problem, imo. Is there anything wrong or illegal with making those speeches and that email server? Technically, no. But when you're Hillary F'n Clinton and you're running for President, just don't give them even that petty shit to throw at you. Make them look even crazier.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 13, 2016, 08:04:41 PM

https://twitter.com/zachhaller/status/720336180156305408

https://twitter.com/MoobyGoldenCalf/status/720335489832620033

 :ryker

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 13, 2016, 08:05:34 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2016, 08:02:42 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 07:14:52 PM

Hillary's a nimrod, but she doesn't deserve to have such high unfavorables. It's all a result of two things: BENGHAZI! and e-mailgate. Both of which seem to breed significant mistrust among voters, despite 99% of them not being able to articulate what the problem with either actually is. It also gives the media an easy way to portray her negatively in order to maintain "balance" when she eventually runs against either Trump or Cruz.

"Sure, Mr. Trump has said that he would be willing to deploy nuclear weapons on our European allies, but it's not like Secretary Clinton has any right to criticize, what with her having a private e-mail server. :smug"

Hillary's problems run deeper and go further back than that.

She's been "embroiled" in a bunch of BS, nothingburger scandals for decades- shit like Whitewater, Vince Foster, Hillarycare, blah blah blah that the right has been throwing at her for forever.

Here's the thing: they do that to anyone on that stage. They did the same to Bill, too, and Obama. The difference between Obama and Hillary (and to a much larger extent, Bill) is that Obama doesn't make the same unforced errors that Hillary does. Think about it- can you imagine Obama making Wall St. speeches if he knew he was going to run? Having a private email server? Fuck no. Obama just sits there being competent (despite what the AiAs of the world would have you believe) making the accusations look stupid.

The Clintons do dumb shit. It's not even illegal or probably even unethical shit, but if you're running for President, or think you want to, you don't do shit like the Goldman Sachs speeches, the private email server, and if you're Bill you don't fuck everything that will let you. You don't give your opponents petty shit to throw at you that feeds their narrative that you're shady and incompetent.

That's Hillary's biggest problem, imo. Is there anything wrong or illegal with making those speeches and that email server? Technically, no. But when you're Hillary F'n Clinton and you're running for President, just don't give them even that petty shit to throw at you. Make them look even crazier.

I agree with all that. I will say though that almost every presidency would be viewed unfavorably compared to Obama's scandal-free eight entire years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2016, 08:07:36 PM

No drama Obama

 :obama

He had to do it, too. I'm sure he's going to write a really good memoir and acknowledge the fact that he couldn't ever be perceived as "angry" despite his personal feelings at any time. Good thing he's half Vulcan or whatever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 13, 2016, 08:12:00 PM

Lucky Pon Farr timing, too. :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 08:12:53 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2016, 08:02:42 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 07:14:52 PM

Hillary's a nimrod, but she doesn't deserve to have such high unfavorables. It's all a result of two things: BENGHAZI! and e-mailgate. Both of which seem to breed significant mistrust among voters, despite 99% of them not being able to articulate what the problem with either actually is. It also gives the media an easy way to portray her negatively in order to maintain "balance" when she eventually runs against either Trump or Cruz.

"Sure, Mr. Trump has said that he would be willing to deploy nuclear weapons on our European allies, but it's not like Secretary Clinton has any right to criticize, what with her having a private e-mail server. :smug"

Hillary's problems run deeper and go further back than that.

She's been "embroiled" in a bunch of BS, nothingburger scandals for decades- shit like Whitewater, Vince Foster, Hillarycare, blah blah blah that the right has been throwing at her for forever.

Here's the thing: they do that to anyone on that stage. They did the same to Bill, too, and Obama. The difference between Obama and Hillary (and to a much larger extent, Bill) is that Obama doesn't make the same unforced errors that Hillary does. Think about it- can you imagine Obama making Wall St. speeches if he knew he was going to run? Having a private email server? Fuck no. Obama just sits there being competent (despite what the AiAs of the world would have you believe) making the accusations look stupid.

The Clintons do dumb shit. It's not even illegal or probably even unethical shit, but if you're running for President, or think you want to, you don't do shit like the Goldman Sachs speeches, the private email server, and if you're Bill you don't fuck everything that will let you. You don't give your opponents petty shit to throw at you that feeds their narrative that you're shady and incompetent.

That's Hillary's biggest problem, imo. Is there anything wrong or illegal with making those speeches and that email server? Technically, no. But when you're Hillary F'n Clinton and you're running for President, just don't give them even that petty shit to throw at you. Make them look even crazier.

Hillary had a brief period where she had pretty sky high approval ratings as SoS (60-70%). It only started coming down after benghazi and the e-mail server.

I do agree overall though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 13, 2016, 08:19:48 PM

This is a rabidly anti-incumbent election season and Hillary is as machine politician as one gets.  Not hard to figure out why nobody (except Andrex) likes her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 13, 2016, 08:36:44 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on April 13, 2016, 08:19:48 PM

This is a rabidly anti-incumbent election season and Hillary is as machine politician as one gets.  Not hard to figure out why nobody (except Andrex) likes her.

TIL 40.2% of people is "nobody."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 13, 2016, 08:41:09 PM

Ah, you're right, most people dislike her.  I'm glad you were able to clear that up.

Kind of reminds me of Dubya's last days when he had rock bottom approval ratings and Republicans would be like "nuh uh, there's still 35% who still think he's doing a good job!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 09:11:00 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 08:12:53 PM

Hillary had a brief period where she had pretty sky high approval ratings as SoS (60-70%).

Most politicians tend to have good approval ratings when they're out of sight, out of mind.

"Hillary visited [X] and held meeting with President [Y]" is a different page twenty-seven story compared to the front page "Hillary attacks elderly former New Yorker, promises to draft and then drink the blood of the young" stories.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 09:21:25 PM

Trump, of course yet again, being a notable exception.

His approval was in the toilet from the beginning, then he started making xenophobic comments and bashing Jeb and he actually turned positive for a while (at least among Republicans) before the voting started and he cratered again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 10:23:45 PM

https://www.gop.com/convention-facts/?convention_type=how
https://www.gop.com/convention-facts/?convention_type=rules

 :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 13, 2016, 11:27:51 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 09:11:00 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on April 13, 2016, 08:12:53 PM

Hillary had a brief period where she had pretty sky high approval ratings as SoS (60-70%).

Most politicians tend to have good approval ratings when they're out of sight, out of mind.

"Hillary visited [X] and held meeting with President [Y]" is a different page twenty-seven story compared to the front page "Hillary attacks elderly former New Yorker, promises to draft and then drink the blood of the young" stories.

Exactly- she had really high favorables when she was Sec of State and wasn't running (or expected to run) for anything. Those probably took a hit after BRRRRRRRRNGHAAAAAAAAAAZIIIIIIII but that was towards the end of 2012 anyway.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 11:32:33 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 13, 2016, 07:10:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 10:25:03 AM

http://www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/03/14/military-times-election-survey-donald-trump-bernie-sanders/81767560/

Googled "soldiers poll," first result.

Yeah that's how easy it was to find, fucktard. Nice retort

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 13, 2016, 11:38:08 PM

I can't wait for you to be proven wrong in November.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 11:56:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8RVhEU_SaI

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Ambush Bug7 hours ago
Deport this bitch.
Reply31

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Chris Houston3 hours ago (edited)
This bitch an Indian anchor baby.
"I know what I am getting with the Clintonian policies"
Yeah, more call centers in India for YOUR people.
More lousy Indian Tech workers who don't have a clue how to write code.
These people are Trojan Horses to bring millions of cheap labor to America
and make us a minority in our own country.
She is a founder of the Indian American Conservative Council and their stated goal is for the US to rely on India for manufacturing and not China.These people are NOT American.
 DEPORT HER.

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Amhlair2 hours ago
What kind of name is that? What has happened to our country??

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InternetSavage2 hours ago
No, you're called a traitor to your country if vote for Hitlery.  That is if the Mexicunt is really from this country.

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S955US842 hours ago
Looks like another illegal - and if anybody is off the deep end it's this nitwit.

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Douglas Stormborn3 hours ago (edited)
So she is going to usurp the power of The People? WTF? Arrest the bitch! And for god's sake end women's suffrage.

:usacry

EDIT: Quieter version but without the buzzing:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzfUYvVp0FM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2016, 12:08:04 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on April 13, 2016, 08:19:48 PM

This is a rabidly anti-incumbent election season

Incumbents gonna lose more than usual?  Lots of credible primary challenges?  This actually a thing or just shit people are saying?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 12:15:26 AM

Johm McCain's got a serious primary challenger:

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On April 15, 2014, Ward traveled to Mesquite, Nevada to support Cliven Bundy in his standoff with the Bureau of Land Management.[9][10][11] Most other former supporters of Bundy had already condemned him for his racist remarks against Mexicans and African Americans.[12][13][14][15][16][17]

Defense of Donald Sterling[edit]
Ward defended disgraced Clippers owner Donald Sterling, who was banned from the NBA for life and fined $2.5 million by the league after private recordings of him making racist comments were made public.[18] Ward stated that he had a right to free speech under the first amendment, and should not have lost his ownership of the team.[19][20]

Chemtrails conspiracy[edit]
On June 25, 2014, Ward, in response to concerns from a vocal minority, held a town hall meeting in Kingman, Arizona, part of the district she represents, to have an exchange about environmental quality, but also discussed the Chemtrail conspiracy theory. [21] Ward also brought in a spokesperson from the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality to answer questions on soil and water quality, including questions concerning the Chemtrail theory. She was quoted after the meeting saying, "I'm not sure there's anything that Arizona can do, but it's good to get the information out." [22] Ward told KNTR radio on June 27, 2014 that although she doesn't "believe in Chemtrails" herself, it's her "responsibility to address the concerns" of the varied groups of her constituents and "a town hall made sense." Ward, however, also stated in an interview in March 2015, "I don't really have any opinions about 'chemtrails' one way or the other. I think that environmental quality, though, is very important." [23] In April, 2015, Ward re-stated she did not believe in "chemtrails."[24]

That he's beating by 35-40 points.

Not to mention that neither the GOP nor Democrats seem to want to nominate an incumbent or former President.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2016, 12:22:18 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 14, 2016, 12:08:04 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on April 13, 2016, 08:19:48 PM

This is a rabidly anti-incumbent election season

Incumbents gonna lose more than usual?  Lots of credible primary challenges?  This actually a thing or just shit people are saying?

From what I can tell Obama v1 was way, way more anti-incumbant lol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 14, 2016, 12:28:59 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 11:32:33 PM

Yeah that's how easy it was to find, fucktard. Nice retort

But it wasn't relevant to the point you were trying to make, chief.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 02:41:53 AM

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/0982064/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fe2%2F7f%2Fdd75975d433793763a58d328bbed%2Fbernie-sanders-supporters-2-1160-getty.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 14, 2016, 03:39:42 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 14, 2016, 12:08:04 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on April 13, 2016, 08:19:48 PM

This is a rabidly anti-incumbent election season

Incumbents gonna lose more than usual?  Lots of credible primary challenges?  This actually a thing or just shit people are saying?

I don't think it's anti incumbent per se, but the biggest Hillary problem on her left is that she is establishment incarnate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2016, 03:42:05 AM

 :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 14, 2016, 04:01:29 AM

You're confused that a dynastic candidate, 100% backed by its party machine, former member of government, viewed as in the pocket of finance would appear establishment ?  :doge

Trump and Sanders are surfing a lot on their perceived outsider status. It's always been a thing to advertise yourself as some real dude not part of the DC elite, but it's never single handedly carried a couple of fringe profiles this close to the White House. General growing distrust in a "system" or "establishment" mostly perpetuating the statu quo is a thing in a lot if not all Western liberal democracies. First election of Obama was clearly about the hope that he could overcome the dysfunctional headlock your current institutions are in and bring some fresh blood in it.

A lot of people have the impression they're getting fucked in the ass by the current economic model and that politics have capitulated changing any of that to instead perpetuate their cushy jobs. It's hard to fault them, because it certainly looks like it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 14, 2016, 05:01:35 AM

Quote from: Esch on April 13, 2016, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 13, 2016, 01:43:47 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 12, 2016, 01:43:35 PM

This may be okay to you but it isn't okay to anyone who serves or served.

(http://i.imgur.com/5bbeOj3.png)

Yeah, is it frequent that the Republican party speaks of you servicemen as a monolith opinion-wise? Purely anecdotal but I feel like i've met almost as many libertarian servicemen as I have neocons as well as a smattering of people on the other side of the spectrum (please no jokes).

Lots of people and groups talk about veterans as a single block (and in more damaging ways than mere political preferences e.g. PTSD). My issue specifically with AIA’s post is that he is speaking for all past and present service members when he has never served himself.

This may be okay to you, AIA, but it isn't okay to anyone who serves or served.

(http://i.imgur.com/Pjj3q4g.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 05:09:13 AM

That just frees him from being blinded out of a loyalty that stops him from seeing what's actually okay or not for those who served.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2016, 08:22:30 AM

There's an anti establishment wind...yet Obama is pretty damn popular right now. Hillary being unpopular is more to do with her than any macro movement among voters IMO. If democrats had a likable heir to run he or she would be looking like gold right now. Obviously Hillary is going to dominate Cruz or Trump tho so it doesn't really matter...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 14, 2016, 08:27:29 AM

You know, it is going to kill her if Hillary has to follow Obama. No chance she can be half as influential or well put together as he is. She's 1 term if she does squeak out a victory, that's for sure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: octopushover on April 14, 2016, 08:39:14 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 02:41:53 AM

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/0982064/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fe2%2F7f%2Fdd75975d433793763a58d328bbed%2Fbernie-sanders-supporters-2-1160-getty.jpg)

cringe

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Rufus on April 14, 2016, 09:09:31 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 14, 2016, 12:28:59 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 13, 2016, 11:32:33 PM

Yeah that's how easy it was to find, fucktard. Nice retort

But it wasn't relevant to the point you were trying to make, chief.

I told him as much already. He doesn't care. :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 10:58:27 AM

Quote from: octopushover on April 14, 2016, 08:39:14 AM

cringe

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 14, 2016, 11:15:45 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html)

They copied it from a local school in Ohio.

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2016/04/mock_border_wall_creates_contr.html#incart_river_home_pop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2016, 11:23:04 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html)

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/720361990422573056?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

#BlackExcellence

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 11:24:46 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2016, 11:23:04 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html)

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/720361990422573056?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

#BlackExcellence

That video is fucking great.  Those frat boys must have been shitting themselves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 14, 2016, 11:27:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2016, 11:23:04 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html)

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/720361990422573056?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

#BlackExcellence

What is it about fraternity life in colleges south of the mason-dixon line that makes them completely distinguished mentally-challenged?

Edit: It's all fun and games until you get them beefy O-liners pissed off. Best part is how those dudes wanted no part of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 14, 2016, 11:36:58 AM

Not so tough now eh frat boys?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 14, 2016, 12:15:58 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 02:41:53 AM

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/0982064/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fe2%2F7f%2Fdd75975d433793763a58d328bbed%2Fbernie-sanders-supporters-2-1160-getty.jpg)

I really don't like these people.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 14, 2016, 12:27:36 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 14, 2016, 12:15:58 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 02:41:53 AM

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/0982064/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fe2%2F7f%2Fdd75975d433793763a58d328bbed%2Fbernie-sanders-supporters-2-1160-getty.jpg)

I really don't like these people.

I guarantee that crowd smells like patchouli and body odor.  :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 14, 2016, 12:30:23 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 14, 2016, 11:36:58 AM

Not so tough now eh frat boys?

Get in the house Wiliam!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2016, 02:04:33 PM

Insanity is a highly pronounced, well known feature of the southern psyche. That's why Sherman did what he did, the man knew there was no other way of getting through to your average white southern male.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 02:34:18 PM

There's a billboard now in Oakland that says something to the effect of "politics won't give you free college, but Bernie will!" and it summed up all my problems with Bernie and his supporters in one simple advertisement.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mupepe on April 14, 2016, 02:47:41 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 02:34:18 PM

There's a billboard now in Oakland that says something to the effect of "politics won't give you free college, but Bernie will!" and it summed up all my problems with Bernie and his supporters in one simple advertisement.

I wonder if that actually approved by him or his campaign because if so.... Jeeeeeeeeez

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 14, 2016, 03:13:26 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3538882/Tulane-University-fraternity-causes-uproar-campus-erecting-Trump-wall.html)

of course they're all white, of course they are.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 03:28:50 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on April 14, 2016, 02:47:41 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 14, 2016, 02:34:18 PM

There's a billboard now in Oakland that says something to the effect of "politics won't give you free college, but Bernie will!" and it summed up all my problems with Bernie and his supporters in one simple advertisement.

I wonder if that actually approved by him or his campaign because if so.... Jeeeeeeeeez

It's not, but man, people are going to be let down no matter what happens:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CUCalJ1UEAAbIg8.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 14, 2016, 03:35:45 PM

ratings guesses on tonight's debate?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2016, 05:02:47 PM

Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma2b1823qb1qmahxv.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Oblivion on April 14, 2016, 05:05:38 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 14, 2016, 08:27:29 AM

You know, it is going to kill her if Hillary has to follow Obama. No chance she can be half as influential or well put together as he is. She's 1 term if she does squeak out a victory, that's for sure.

So it seems that just like the American People, I too, will not be getting any answers on BENGHAZI!  :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 14, 2016, 05:13:06 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 14, 2016, 05:02:47 PM

Most Bernie Sanders supporters aren't willing to pay for his revolution (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/4/14/11421744/bernie-sanders-tax-revolution)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ma2b1823qb1qmahxv.gif)

Bernie's issue is that he hasn't really thought things through. He's right about the issues, just not how to fix them. The problem with healthcare is the system, not just who pays for it. The problem with higher education is the culture and the system, not who pays for it. Further, his approach is just to up spending where he should first implement cuts.

All that being said, I have no problem voting for him in the primary because at least he sees shit is broken, whereas a vote for Hillary is a vote for things to remain the same.

Now if he were in the general? :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2016, 05:19:23 PM

Perhaps the most asinine narrative of this election is the idea that Sanders voters are the most well researched participators in our democracy, whereas Hillary voters (especially if they're black  :doge ) are misguided or voting because The Establishment told them to. When in reality Sanders doesn't have a single concrete plan for...well, anything. All his shit is ducktales. And if you disagree with him you're either an establishment goon or dare to underestimate the magic of a Political Revolution Changing Everything.

TBH this shit makes me long for 07/08 where Hillary, Edwards, and Obama were releasing detailed plans on various shit that could actually be implemented.
:fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 14, 2016, 05:40:02 PM

Clearly you have drank the Clinton News Network koolaid, PD.  And we all know what favour that comes in.  Pretty sure you should listen to rich white 20 yearolds if you want actual hope and not 08 false promises. 

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/0982064/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2Fe2%2F7f%2Fdd75975d433793763a58d328bbed%2Fbernie-sanders-supporters-2-1160-getty.jpg)

What is it about these people that make you think they don't have a serious action plan?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 14, 2016, 06:14:17 PM

Arvie,
How dare you make light of these people's plan. Did you not see the sign "Hope" not "Hate"
THAT'S the plan. Duh!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 14, 2016, 06:16:32 PM

I thought that point only applied to headlines. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 14, 2016, 06:30:49 PM

Nope. That's Bernie's whole plan.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:tocry

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 08:28:49 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/13/hillary-clinton-gets-tepid-response-at-black-activist-conference/?_r=0

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A week after her husband had a tense encounter with black protesters, Hillary Clinton on Wednesday received a lukewarm response from a gathering of black leaders and voters in New York.

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The gathering was somber this year, as Mr. Sharpton and other keynote speakers bemoaned that in January a white president will be inaugurated to replace the nation’s first black president. “It’s going to be a real hard day for us,” said Angela Rye, chief executive of the consulting firm Impact Strategies, who spoke before Mrs. Clinton.

Addressing the crowd, John D. Podesta, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman and a former aide to President Obama, said, “I don’t just want it to be the first time a white president replaces a black president, but the first time a woman replaces a man president.”

The crowd was silent.

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But Akua Harris, 71, a retired city employee, was not moved by Mrs. Clinton’s remarks and doubted she would feel any differently about Mr. Sanders’s speech on Thursday. “Talk is cheap,” she said. “These politicians come in and tell you what you want to hear. They all promise things to black people and don’t deliver.”

Asked whether Mr. Obama was a typical politician, Ms. Harris said he was not. “That’s different,” she said. “He wanted to get things done, and the Congress blocked him.”

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/14/hey_democrats_stop_gloating_your_party_is_imploding_right_before_your_eyes_too/

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The reason he keeps beating Hillary Clinton is because a huge portion of the electorate—particularly young voters—is yearning for the kind of explicit social justice he’s prescribing. To put it bluntly: he’s articulating a moral vision, not an electoral path to the White House.

And that, frankly, is what the Democratic Party used to do, back in the era of the New Deal and the Great Society. It offered as its essential pitch to voters a compassionate and responsive government that sought to combat — or at least mitigate — the corrosive values of a capitalist theocracy.

What does the modern Democratic Party offer? The strategy put forward by Bill Clinton was called “triangulation.” And while it may have worked in an electoral sense, the de facto result was a strategy of appeasement that left Democrats pushing conservative policies: welfare reform, tax cuts, financial deregulation.

Obama’s signature legislative achievement, the Affordable Care Act, is essentially the program Bob Dole proposed back in 1993. His solution to our suicidal dependence on fossil fuels—cap-and-trade—is yet another recycled Republican idea.

The modern Democratic Party, in other words, has chosen to enable — and in many cases sponsor—policies that have allowed capitalism to act like a giant centrifuge, concentrating wealth and power in the hands of the few to the detriment of the many.

This is why a majority of Democratic primary voters not only identify as liberal but believe that socialism has a (gasp!) positive impact on society.

The underlying message of the Sanders campaign is that rank and file democrats no longer believe in capitalism as a guiding force in our economy or, especially, in our politics. And they are identifying mainstream Democrats — from Hillary Clinton to DNC chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz—as defenders of a status quo that amounts to crony capitalism.

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In squaring off against Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton never had to face such stark questions about her own integrity, because both of them were willing to exploit the corruptions of the campaign finance system. They passed for liberal, because they were the only options.

For the first time since the Great Society, a candidate has staked out authentically progressive positions: bleeding private money from politics, reforming our criminal justice system, insuring education and health care as rights. And paying for these programs by rolling back the massive tax breaks of the past few decades, and closing the corporate loopholes.

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Hillary Clinton will probably be the Democratic nominee for president, and will in all likelihood beat Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, if either one is her opponent. But beating an unpopular right-wing lunatic will not mend the rift among Democrats. It will only forestall a broader and more divisive fight for the soul of the party.

The center cannot hold. A growing plurality of democratic voters wants a true progressive agenda. If Clinton and party insiders ignore this reality, such voters will begin to look elsewhere. They will not view themselves as having left the Party. The Party will have left them.

When is she going to drop out? The people have spoken by voting against her time and time again. By waiting for the indictments she's just prolonging the pain and letting it bring down everyone around her. Selfish.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2016, 08:33:10 PM

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The gathering was somber this year, as Mr. Sharpton and other keynote speakers bemoaned that in January a white president will be inaugurated to replace the nation’s first black president. “It’s going to be a real hard day for us,” said Angela Rye, chief executive of the consulting firm Impact Strategies, who spoke before Mrs. Clinton.

Addressing the crowd, John D. Podesta, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman and a former aide to President Obama, said, “I don’t just want it to be the first time a white president replaces a black president, but the first time a woman replaces a man president.”

The crowd was silent.

:lol

Identity politics, man. Daps to Obama. I shouldn't have been surprised that some were upset and "disappointed" that he dare nominate a white man to the Supreme Court.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 14, 2016, 09:37:42 PM

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The gathering was somber this year, as Mr. Sharpton and other keynote speakers bemoaned that in January a white president will be inaugurated to replace the nation’s first black president.

But what about the nation's first black President being replaced by the nation's first Latino President? :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2016, 09:40:44 PM

Or the nation's first Kenyan President being replaced by the nation's first Canadian president???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 14, 2016, 10:22:08 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 14, 2016, 09:40:44 PM

Or the nation's first Kenyan President

Jeez, Hillary supporters can't forgive anyone who dares challenge yas queen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: doctavius bonbon on April 14, 2016, 10:41:57 PM

So glad Hillary is getting shit on over Israel. The repub / democrat AIPAC deepthroating getting put on blast gives me life.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 15, 2016, 12:07:04 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 14, 2016, 08:33:10 PM

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The gathering was somber this year, as Mr. Sharpton and other keynote speakers bemoaned that in January a white president will be inaugurated to replace the nation’s first black president. “It’s going to be a real hard day for us,” said Angela Rye, chief executive of the consulting firm Impact Strategies, who spoke before Mrs. Clinton.

Addressing the crowd, John D. Podesta, Mrs. Clinton’s campaign chairman and a former aide to President Obama, said, “I don’t just want it to be the first time a white president replaces a black president, but the first time a woman replaces a man president.”

The crowd was silent.

:lol

Identity politics, man. Daps to Obama. I shouldn't have been surprised that some were upset and "disappointed" that he dare nominate a white man to the Supreme Court.

Their problem is that they believed in a contextual over extension of the once you go black adage.  I sympathize with their disappointment. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2016, 12:30:00 AM

Prediction: Hillary will win the nomination with a majority of the popular vote, elected delegates, and contests won but we'll still hear how superdelegates threw the nomination to her.  I'll probably be #wellactually-ing people about that in 2025.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2016, 10:26:15 AM

By backing her publicly so early they were perverting the Democratic process by making things tougher on Bernie!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2016, 12:33:15 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 15, 2016, 12:30:00 AM

Prediction: Hillary will win the nomination with a majority of the popular vote, elected delegates, and contests won but we'll still hear how superdelegates threw the nomination to her.  I'll probably be #wellactually-ing people about that in 2025.

During lunch at work today the guy next to me was literally saying superdelegates are the only reason Hillary will win and "what's even the point of democracy then?" Had to just smile and nod like my queen.

(http://38.media.tumblr.com/0a3ad17c27d6224210f3a1bcf29647ee/tumblr_inline_o49cebWT791ru2npr_500.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 15, 2016, 01:08:27 PM

https://twitter.com/ZekeJMiller/status/720991032523894784

:confused
There's nothing here remotely hinting some sort of endorsement by the pope ?
Funniest thing is rather Bernie "endorsing" the words of the head of the catholic church.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 15, 2016, 01:12:49 PM

Uh, they are pretty clearly making it look like the pope is endorsing Bernie.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2016, 01:24:05 PM

Here's the facts.

- The trip will be through the NY primary on Tuesday.
- The Pope won't be in Italy when Bernie is there. (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-greece-pope-idUSKCN0X4165)
- He has only ten minutes to talk. (http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/news/2016/04/15/i-would-be-kicking-myself-if-i-declined-vatican-invite-says-bernie-sanders/)
- Vatican officials dispute that he was invited by them. (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-08/sanders-accused-of-discourtesy-in-seeking-vatican-invitation)

This campaign, man. :dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 15, 2016, 01:25:36 PM

Why is this pope stuff surprising? I mean, he already believes in magical jews.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2016, 01:28:42 PM

Shouldn't Sanders be courting the Archbishop of Canterbury instead of the establishment/Vatican?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2016, 01:32:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2016, 01:28:42 PM

Shouldn't Sanders be courting the Archbishop of Canterbury instead of the establishment/Vatican?  :doge

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 15, 2016, 02:54:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 15, 2016, 01:12:49 PM

Uh, they are pretty clearly making it look like the pope is endorsing Bernie.

In that poster or macro I linked ? I don't see it. It's very obviously designed to let you think that great minds think alike, but it's no more hinting at an endorsement than Ghandi in an Apple ad.

The things Tasty Meat mention however are a bit more of political showmanship trying to paint a bigger connection than there is.
Funnily enough there was a fake quote of the pope endorsing Sanders being run in pardoy sites a few month ago :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 15, 2016, 04:05:45 PM

Ghandi's dead though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 15, 2016, 04:37:33 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 14, 2016, 03:35:45 PM

ratings guesses on tonight's debate?

Update: 5.6 million (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/tv-ratings-new-york-democratic-884244)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 15, 2016, 04:42:12 PM

Another bernie billboard popped up that says "politics as usual won't end student debt and make college tuition free, Bernie will"

 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 15, 2016, 04:45:48 PM

 :beli

Fuck. Bernie man, come on. Student debt is a serious issue. The cost of higher ed is a serious issue. How can you around treating it like it's gonna be a free handout? No one is going to take those issues seriously now. You've made it so much more difficult for the next person that tries to actually solve this.

 :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 15, 2016, 04:56:02 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 15, 2016, 04:42:12 PM

Another bernie billboard popped up that says "politics as usual won't end student debt and make college tuition free, Bernie will"

 :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

sounds like politics as usual

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2016, 07:26:57 PM

Honestly part of me wishes he won the nom and presidency just so we could watch him fail in the WH. Not because I want to see Sanders fail, but moreso because I'd be entertained by his fans calling him a sellout if he dares sign anything that's a compromise.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 15, 2016, 07:40:44 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/2g6unKI.jpg)

:snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on April 15, 2016, 08:13:26 PM

Hillary was right to fear Elizabeth Warren entering the race, not only would she be whipping up a lot of the same fervor that Bernie's tapped into, but she'd be doing a much better job of grounding her progressive policies. Hell, if it was Bernie, Liz, and Hill-dawg, I can't even say for certain who the front runner at that point would be.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 15, 2016, 08:29:06 PM

Bernie has turned into the 7th grader running for class president by promising more dances, more vending machines, and less homework

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2016, 10:15:30 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 15, 2016, 04:45:48 PM

:beli

Fuck. Bernie man, come on. Student debt is a serious issue. The cost of higher ed is a serious issue. How can you around treating it like it's gonna be a free handout? No one is going to take those issues seriously now. You've made it so much more difficult for the next person that tries to actually solve this.

 :snoop

This seems like an unfair burden to place on Sanders alone.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 15, 2016, 10:16:09 PM

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Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth.

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history teaches us that at defining moments like this one, the change we need doesn't come from Washington. Change comes to Washington.

oh Bernie  :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 15, 2016, 11:27:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jval6WwknUU

That's the "It's just like a mini...mall" guy. :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2016, 02:49:51 AM

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Cruz, asked by WABC radio host Curtis Sliwa if he would ban “the sale of sexual toys, dildos, or anything that sexually stimulates you,” answered that he would not.

“Look, of course not, it’s a ridiculous question, and of course not,” Cruz told Sliwa on Friday. “What people do in their own private time with themselves is their own business and it’s none of government’s business.”

:letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 16, 2016, 03:08:09 AM

Doesn't Texas have a bunch of restrictions about buying sex toys?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2016, 04:08:53 AM

Yeah, they did, I think he was being asked in part because he defended those laws while solicitor general of Texas: http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/04/ted-cruz-dildo-ban-sex-devices-texas

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In 2007, Cruz's legal team, working on behalf of then-Attorney General Greg Abbott (who now is the governor), filed a 76-page brief calling on the US Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit to uphold the lower court's decision and permit the law to stand. The filing noted, "The Texas Penal Code prohibits the advertisement and sale of dildos, artificial vaginas, and other obscene devices" but does not "forbid the private use of such devices." The plaintiffs had argued that this case was similar to Lawrence v. Texas, the landmark 2003 Supreme Court decision that struck down Texas' law against sodomy. But Cruz's office countered that Lawrence "focused on interpersonal relationships and the privacy of the home" and that the law being challenged did not block the "private use of obscene devices." Cruz's legal team asserted that "obscene devices do not implicate any liberty interest." And its brief added that "any alleged right associated with obscene devices" is not "deeply rooted in the Nation's history and traditions." In other words, Texans were free to use sex toys at home, but they did not have the right to buy them.

The brief insisted that Texas, in order to protect "public morals," had  "police-power interests" in "discouraging prurient interests in sexual gratification, combating the commercial sale of sex, and protecting minors." There was a  "government" interest, it maintained, in "discouraging…autonomous sex." The brief compared the use of sex toys to "hiring a willing prostitute or engaging in consensual bigamy," and it equated advertising these products with the commercial promotion of prostitution. In perhaps the most noticeable line of the brief, Cruz's office declared, "There is no substantive-due-process right to stimulate one's genitals for non-medical purposes unrelated to procreation or outside of an interpersonal relationship." That is, the pursuit of such happiness had no constitutional standing. And the brief argued there was no "right to promote dildos, vibrators, and other obscene devices." The plaintiffs, it noted, were "free to engage in unfettered noncommercial speech touting the uses of obscene devices," but not speech designed to generate the sale of these items.

In a 2-1 decision issued in February 2008, the court of appeals told Cruz's office to take a hike.

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The day after the appeals court wiped out the Texas law, Cruz forwarded an email to the lawyer in his office who had overseen the briefs in the case. It included a blog post from legal expert Eugene Volokh headlined, "Dildoes Going to the Supreme Court?" and a sympathetic note from William Thro, then the solicitor general of Virginia. "Having had the experience of answering questions about oral sex from a female State Supreme Court Justice who is also a grandmother," Thro wrote Cruz, "you have my sympathy. :-) Seriously, if you do go for cert [with the Supreme Court] and if we can help, let me know." But for whatever reason—Cruz certainly doesn't explain in his book—Abbott and he did not take the dildo ban to the Supreme Court. And Cruz, who was already thinking about running for elected office, missed out on the chance to gain national attention as an advocate for the just-say-no-to-vibrators cause.

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(http://www.motherjones.com/files/imagecache/top-of-content-main/ted_cruz_eating_things_-_imgur_copy.jpg)

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 16, 2016, 05:25:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsKtCqf8gI

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Andy Moore5 days ago
Looks like someone put Al Sharpton's head on Don Cheadle's body.

:dead

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Al Gore Rhythm

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come on now

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 16, 2016, 06:01:54 PM

That's actually a plan though, whereas Sanders doesn't have one  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Trent Dole on April 16, 2016, 06:09:01 PM

Naw man his plan is to break up the big banks! Break them up!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 16, 2016, 10:02:54 PM

I don't know if it will fix anything, but I'm at least willing to give it a shot. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 16, 2016, 10:05:02 PM

Also it should be one out of then because literal decimation really needs a modern resurgence.  There are too many mass murders that are not mathematically sound. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 12:49:10 AM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on April 17, 2016, 12:40:25 AM

So what y'all are telling me is that Sanders is basically Liberal Ron Paul.

Yup, that's what I've been saying the whole time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: thisismyusername on April 17, 2016, 12:53:09 AM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on April 17, 2016, 12:40:25 AM

So what y'all are telling me is that Sanders is basically Liberal Ron Paul.

For the most part, yeah.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: VomKriege on April 17, 2016, 01:02:02 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/0OtViVE.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Qssfk4U.jpg)

 :lol  :beli :stahp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: thisismyusername on April 17, 2016, 01:12:05 AM

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/16/voters_just_dont_like_her_hillarys_favorability_rating_hits_new_low_among_democrats_partner/

 :ohhh

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“[The numbers] are pretty bad,” said Democratic strategist Brad Bannon. “The No. 1 reason that her favorability is so bad is that you have large numbers of Americans who say they don’t trust her. I could make it sound more complicated than that, but that’s really what it is. Voters see her as the ultimate politician, who will do or say anything to get elected.”

No way!? You mean to tell me people are starting to view her the same way I've been viewing her for years now? :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge Someone  (not Andy) hold me. I'm shocked.

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Historically, 62 percent of voters saw Barack Obama as favorable at this point in the 2008 election.

:obama

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On the Democratic side, Bernie Sanders’ favorability has slid this month also, but is still 16 points higher than Clinton on the net favorable scale.

 :success

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Clinton’s highest favorability ratings came when she served as President Obama’s Secretary of State. Her second-highest were during Bill Clinton’s administration, at the time of the Monica Lewinsky scandal in 1998, when she was viewed favorably by 60 percent of voters.

Guess she needs to get Bill a blowie (not by her), stat?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 01:54:05 AM

(https://i.redditmedia.com/tvNLwNJrjLa-iRt50gkb9onmkVM5oO6Ou_QF60QeHRU.jpg?w=920&s=d759442b43c67942a6e62b036f846fda)

Is this is a Sanders supporter or a Republican? The answer may surprise you!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 02:02:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkdRTIPqo7Q

(https://i.redditmedia.com/qz9hZh3CWa-wGsE8bzWxWW-KYP-JNFf2b6zJHNMaBFw.jpg?w=600&s=a9a985f5e74cc05b6ff3dd53152ac09a)

This whole thing is backfiring so hard. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 02:23:17 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/15/opinions/clinton-and-sanders-supporters-animosity-opinion-zelizer/

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At one unpleasant moment, a Clinton supporter sitting behind me mockingly yelled at three of the Sanders backers who were standing up and pumping their fists a slogan used by the Nazis, "Sieg Heil."

:cac

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The most vivid image from the Democratic convention, besides Kennedy's rousing speech, was when Carter had to literally scramble to find Kennedy on the stage. Carter wanted to hold their hands up in a sign of unity, instead he only could muster a cold handshake. The result was a Republican president, Ronald Reagan.

I wish Hillary would win NY by like 20 points on Tuesday just so we can start healing this party. At this rate, keeping it going to June is going to be dangerous.

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If Democrats want to avoid a replay of 1968 or 1980, with a Donald Trump or Ted Cruz winning the White House, they are going to have to lower the temperature in the room and find ways to remind their supporters that the cause of party is more important than the imperative to be right.

:preach Amen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 17, 2016, 02:37:01 AM

IIRC there's basically no evidence that drawn-out primaries hurt the nominee in the general election, and "Carter lost cause Kennedy didn't shake his hand" is one of those dumb conventional wisdom things.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 02:40:33 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 17, 2016, 02:37:01 AM

IIRC there's basically no evidence that drawn-out primaries hurt the nominee in the general election, and "Carter lost cause Kennedy didn't shake his hand" is one of those dumb conventional wisdom things.

:yeshrug Maybe, but I'm sick of the rhetoric too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2016, 03:05:09 AM

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If Democrats want to avoid a replay of 1968 or 1980, with a Donald Trump or Ted Cruz winning the White House, they are going to have to lower the temperature in the room and find ways to remind their supporters that the cause of party is more important than the imperative to be right.

The current primary systems are completely different from 1968 (where Humphrey nearly came back to win and faced George Wallace taking away key Democratic states remember) AND 1980.

Kennedy's attempt to free the delegates led to the superdelegates. It was arguably this move, combined with Kennedy's withdrawal speech that may have hurt Carter more than any dumb handshake. Not to mention John Anderson's bid. And the Carter campaigns all around incompetency and assumption that Reagan had no shot.

1968 had only a handful of primaries, the bulk of delegates were controlled by the political machines and thus even had RFK not died it would have been tough for him or McCarthy to stop Humphrey at the convention.

Four years later, they attempted to derail McGovern but the new primary system made it so they were able to ward off the attempts. (Hunter S. Thompson's work is oddly one of the few extensive (if biased) records of the Humphrey/machine convention attempt to unseat the McGovern elected delegates.)

The Sanders people, like the Hillary people in 2008, will know ahead of time that they were defeated by the process, even if they consider it unfavorable to them. There's no convention fight to be had. Remember, Hillary almost didn't release her delegates at the 2008 Convention, but was persuaded to halt the roll call. The PUMAs were ultimately insignificant, as was everything prior to Johm McCain's STOP THE DEBATES, WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE, WE NEED TO HEAD TO WASHINGTON IMMEDIATELY AND HOLD MEETINGS FOR SOME REASON abject meltdown, while Obama played it cool.

The GOP is in a different situation because 1.) Donald Trump is involved and B.) No candidate may enter with an obvious path to a majority and iii.) Donald Trump is involved. Also, Ted Cruz is the alternative.

One could expect that any gains Trump gets from anti-establishment/anti-trade/etc. voters who backed Sanders to be countered by Republican-leans who won't accept Trump. And Cruz has none of the crossover potential considering his standard conservative positions across the board.

Also, one shouldn't confuse the Sanders fanboys for the bulk of Sanders' support, anymore than one should confuse YAS QUEEN as Hillary's support. There's a lot of simply anti-Clinton, anti-politics-as-usual, etc. voting there. Maybe even more than there is true "left-wing" voting. It's a harmless protest vote against an believed inevitability. Most of those people will stick to voting D in November because it's less that they hate Hillary than they're just unenthusiastic about her but she's still clearly better than Trump/Cruz.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 17, 2016, 03:13:40 AM

Also consider that a lot of Ron Paul's support did not consist of standard GOP voters. Especially in 2008 when he said fire doesn't melt steel beams in a debate and Rudy annihilated him.

Sanders can't be getting the support he does (essentially tied with Hillary now in national polls) without lots of regular D voters. You don't have to worry about those people abandoning the party just because he loses. The Ron Paul people were by and large never going to back the GOP nominee, especially Johm McCain, though less so Mitt Romney. Many of them even flopped over to Obama. Most probably didn't even bother to vote.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2016, 09:09:03 AM

Hillary is going to win handily regardless of what Sanders fans do. Let's stop inflating their already too-high sense of importance. Obama unified the party after defeating Hillary, despite polls claiming large amounts of Clinton voters would not support him. Hillary will be fine and win big against Cruz or Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Dickie Dee on April 17, 2016, 12:45:54 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 16, 2016, 05:25:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LsKtCqf8gI

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Andy Moore5 days ago
Looks like someone put Al Sharpton's head on Don Cheadle's body.

:dead

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Al Gore Rhythm

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come on now

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In the related videos, this was good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 09:24:24 PM

The real difference between Bernie (http://politicsnow.buffalonews.com/2016/04/17/in-interview-with-sanders-answers-to-how-his-economic-plan-would-affect-buffalo/) and Hillary (http://politicsnow.buffalonews.com/2016/04/17/interview-with-clinton-outlines-possible-impact-of-her-economic-proposals-on-buffalo/).

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Buffalo is soon going to be home to the largest solar panel plant in the country. What is your reaction to that?

Sanders: Fantastic. Manufacturing solar panels? Fantastic.

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Buffalo soon will be home to the largest solar panel manufacturing plant in the country. You’ve promised the installation of another half-billion solar panels by the end of your first term. How do you get there?

Clinton: I’m thrilled that SolarCity is setting up an operation in Buffalo. … I’m going to do everything I can to encourage the construction of manufacturing facilities that are necessary (to meet her solar energy goal). I was relieved when the Congress included the investment tax credit and the production tax credit for wind and solar in the year-end budget agreement, but we have to go further. And I think the more we can get these facilities like the SolarCity plant built in New York, the more political support we can build. Because there does seem to be a connection: When you have a wind turbine assembly plant in Iowa, you’ve got the Iowa Republican members of Congress supporting the extension of the tax credit. So the more we can develop these facilities around the country, the quicker we can reach the goal that I have set.

Bernie: "Solar is good, yup."

Hillary: "I know the name of the company, the tax credits that made them possible, Buffalo's solar budget, and why renewable energy is important to furthering bipartisanism."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 09:26:58 PM

That Sanders interview mang :dead

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Have you thought about exactly what your tariff scenario would look like?

No. All I will tell you is that the status quo, what exists today, is not acceptable.

And the proof is in the pudding in that we have lost millions of decent-paying jobs as a result of these trade policies.

Hillary's answer to a similar question:

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What would be your approach to trade with China? Bernie Sanders said he would consider tariffs. Would you consider the same thing?

Look, I think that it’s clear that China has not competed fairly in the global marketplace, and there has to be a stricter, more effective approach toward dealing with China. China is in the World Trade Organization, and that gives us the opportunity to bring actions against China … to enforce provisions under WTO. And there are two benefits to that. One is to have a mechanism to try to prevent or stop Chinese unfair competition and the other is to get some remedies that will hold the Chinese accountable. So I would use the existing enforcement mechanisms. … And I would not need to be asked. If I were president, I would be much more on the offense and aggressive in enforcing the rules we already have.

If there is a continuing misuse of trading opportunities for Chinese goods and services coming into our markets, then I would look at measures of reciprocity. I think that making it clear that we’re not going to let China, for example, dump steel into the American market. It requires not only tough enforcement through the WTO, which sometimes can take awhile, but also may require us to be more aggressive on the front end. So imposing duties, preventing the unloading or the importing of goods while a dispute is being carried out, I think would be an appropriate way to respond.

This just reinforces why I'm for Hillary, she doesn't just know the problems but she also has solutions.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: tiesto on April 17, 2016, 10:10:30 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 17, 2016, 09:24:24 PM

The real difference between Bernie (http://politicsnow.buffalonews.com/2016/04/17/in-interview-with-sanders-answers-to-how-his-economic-plan-would-affect-buffalo/) and Hillary (http://politicsnow.buffalonews.com/2016/04/17/interview-with-clinton-outlines-possible-impact-of-her-economic-proposals-on-buffalo/).

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Buffalo is soon going to be home to the largest solar panel plant in the country. What is your reaction to that?

Sanders: Fantastic. Manufacturing solar panels? Fantastic.

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Buffalo soon will be home to the largest solar panel manufacturing plant in the country. You’ve promised the installation of another half-billion solar panels by the end of your first term. How do you get there?

Clinton: I’m thrilled that SolarCity is setting up an operation in Buffalo. … I’m going to do everything I can to encourage the construction of manufacturing facilities that are necessary (to meet her solar energy goal). I was relieved when the Congress included the investment tax credit and the production tax credit for wind and solar in the year-end budget agreement, but we have to go further. And I think the more we can get these facilities like the SolarCity plant built in New York, the more political support we can build. Because there does seem to be a connection: When you have a wind turbine assembly plant in Iowa, you’ve got the Iowa Republican members of Congress supporting the extension of the tax credit. So the more we can develop these facilities around the country, the quicker we can reach the goal that I have set.

Bernie: "Solar is good, yup."

Hillary: "I know the name of the company, the tax credits that made them possible, Buffalo's solar budget, and why renewable energy is important to furthering bipartisanism."

That's actually really fucking cool. Buffalo was a sad sack of a city in desperate need of some growth engines when I lived up there, but it seems like the situation has gotten much better in recent years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 17, 2016, 10:32:16 PM

https://twitter.com/EveryDemDonor

yikes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2016, 10:36:43 PM

Wonder if my $50 donation to Bernie is gonna show up

:yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2016, 11:12:20 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2016, 10:36:43 PM

Wonder if my $50 donation to Bernie is gonna show up

:yeshrug

Or my $25 donation today to Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 18, 2016, 12:22:53 AM

If there was a republican one of those it'd read more like a nascar deck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Trent Dole on April 18, 2016, 01:22:36 AM

There is. https://twitter.com/EveryGopDonor Their donations are larger at a quick glance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 18, 2016, 02:26:22 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/in-the-virgin-islands-there-is-chaos

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Virgin Islands Republican Party Vice Chairman Herb Schoenbohm told the paper that Brady was “slammed against the wall and thrown to the floor because she objected to the Gestapo-like tactics of the V.I. Chairman John Canegata.”

Schoenbohm also blasted the location of the meeting, telling the paper that Canegata was "banging the table with a large ammunition cartridge being used as a gavel" and walking around with a "firearm on his belt."

"People are not used to a Republican meeting being in a combat zone and will avoid future meetings if something isn’t done about his lack of control," Schoenbohm continued.

 :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2016, 08:05:38 PM

There's nothing wrong with supporting Hillary because she's more likely to win. Getting starry eyed over interviews isn't required.

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 17, 2016, 09:26:58 PM

This just reinforces why I'm for Hillary, she doesn't just know the problems but she also has solutions.

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there has to be a stricter, more effective approach toward dealing with China.

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to enforce provisions under WTO.

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a mechanism to try to prevent or stop Chinese unfair competition

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get some remedies that will hold the Chinese accountable

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I would be much more on the offense and aggressive in enforcing the rules we already have.

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I would look at measures of reciprocity.

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It requires not only tough enforcement through the WTO, which sometimes can take awhile, but also may require us to be more aggressive on the front end. So imposing duties

So...promise to enforce the existing rules, consider further ones but never enact or enforce them, and do the same about tariffs. In other words, the status quo.

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 17, 2016, 09:24:24 PM

Hillary: "I know the name of the company, the tax credits that made them possible, Buffalo's solar budget, and why renewable energy is important to furthering bipartisanism."

Which doesn't answer the question asked. ("You’ve promised the installation of another half-billion solar panels by the end of your first term. How do you get there?") It just throws out boilerplate gibberish and memorized talking points about Buffalo (before an interview with a Buffalo newspaper?!? I never) rather than explaining how she has and would have no power to achieve he laundry list of recycled promises in her platform.

Her actual answer is better summarized as: "the more we achieve the goals I set, the more we can reach the goals I set."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2016, 08:08:42 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 17, 2016, 10:36:43 PM

Wonder if my $50 donation to Bernie is gonna show up

:yeshrug

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 17, 2016, 11:12:20 PM

Or my $25 donation today to Hillary.

Donation totals under $200 don't have to be reported to the FEC and so usually aren't.

This stuff was already searchable and able to be viewed on places like OpenSecrets.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 18, 2016, 08:17:06 PM

https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/722213387128549376

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 18, 2016, 08:27:47 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 18, 2016, 08:33:45 PM

from today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CX_iUQfwU6k

:fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2016, 11:47:22 PM

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2016/04/the-obama-crime-wave-comes-to-minnesota.php

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What could account for an 85% increase in shootings? Liberals predictably will blame guns, but there has been no change in the gun laws. The only plausible explanation is a combination of the Ferguson Effect and the racial hostility promoted by the Obama administration and the Black Lives Matter organization. The Star Tribune’s report documents the Ferguson Effect:

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Lt. Bob Kroll, president of the Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis, blames the crime surge on a shrinking police force and greater scrutiny of police that has left some officers disengaged. The slowdown in policing has been noticeable.

Through April 11, police in north Minneapolis’ Fourth Precinct made 3,706 proactive stops, compared with 7,732 in the same period last year. Citywide, there has also been a dramatic decline in traffic stops and arrests for serious crimes.

Barack Obama and his minions have promoted racial division and a relentless attack on police forces as a means to political power. The inevitable result is now being seen all around the country: the Obama crime wave.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 01:31:19 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgRz213WIAEuLx1.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 02:01:27 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ujmNSR0.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/EjCk3ig.png)

Gonna have some fun tomorrow. :obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: brawndolicious on April 19, 2016, 02:47:00 AM

Even if (when) Clinton wins, won't she only end up with a max of ~2/3 of the New York delegates? Not to mention this a primary in New York, I doubt they usually get fired up to go out and vote in April. Or ever. Which benefits the candidate with more die hard supporters.

I'm just saying don't be disappointed if you get flashbacks of the Mass primary. This is going to be drawn out until us Californians allow your queen to bumble into the presidency.

You're welcome by the way. :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 03:12:18 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ujmNSR0.png)

typical 1% tourist behavior

on a weekday no less

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 03:49:39 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on April 19, 2016, 02:47:00 AM

Even if (when) Clinton wins, won't she only end up with a max of ~2/3 of the New York delegates? Not to mention this a primary in New York, I doubt they usually get fired up to go out and vote in April. Or ever. Which benefits the candidate with more die hard supporters.

I'm just saying don't be disappointed if you get flashbacks of the Mass primary. This is going to be drawn out until us Californians allow your queen to bumble into the presidency.

You're welcome by the way. :snob

It was over after Super Tuesday II when she swept all five states that day IMO, but I'm hoping a 10-14% loss for Sanders (in a 247 delegate state) will make his saner supporters wake up (if there's any left.) The "he has momentum, we still have a majority of states left, X state Hillary won doesn't count cause reasons" will hopefully die tomorrow. Clinton will have won the four largest states delegate-wise to-date (Florida, Texas, Illinois, and now New York.) How can you argue with that?

But I might be giving Sanders fans too much credit. :P

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 05:48:22 AM

 :rofl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6BbzFUeVSE

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hillary for prisoner 2016 shirt :lol

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 08:52:18 AM

How come every time I see one of these Trump rally vids all the Trump dudes have southern accents

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: tiesto on April 19, 2016, 09:00:45 AM

Well, I did my part and voted for Sanders. Granted, I got there early but the few people I saw at the voting station were all old white women. (Not surprising considering the demographics of my district - I'm the youngest one living in my townhome complex by about 30 years).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 09:35:01 AM

I'm guessing (okay, betting 🤑) Hilldawg wins by <15%

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 09:53:19 AM

I'm betting >10% and <15%. Hoping for more.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2016, 10:00:45 AM

You know Bernie's response is gonna be

-we were down 60 points last year and only lost by 10
-we would have won if it was an open primary
-Bernie won his home state by 60 points
-but we're gonna do really well in California

Lmao

Hillary should clench after California. I'm guessing Sanders won't concede and will question the results, then continue to the convention.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 10:18:03 AM

Depending on how PA and CA go Hillary might hit the 2,383 delegates needed before the convention even happens. At that point Sanders' only hope is to sway (see: harass) the superdelegates to go against the will of the people and switch to him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2016, 10:59:10 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 19, 2016, 03:49:39 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on April 19, 2016, 02:47:00 AM

Even if (when) Clinton wins, won't she only end up with a max of ~2/3 of the New York delegates? Not to mention this a primary in New York, I doubt they usually get fired up to go out and vote in April. Or ever. Which benefits the candidate with more die hard supporters.

I'm just saying don't be disappointed if you get flashbacks of the Mass primary. This is going to be drawn out until us Californians allow your queen to bumble into the presidency.

You're welcome by the way. :snob

It was over after Super Tuesday II when she swept all five states that day IMO, but I'm hoping a 10-14% loss for Sanders (in a 247 delegate state) will make his saner supporters wake up (if there's any left.) The "he has momentum, we still have a majority of states left, X state Hillary won doesn't count cause reasons" will hopefully die tomorrow. Clinton will have won the four largest states delegate-wise to-date (Florida, Texas, Illinois, and now New York.) How can you argue with that?

But I might be giving Sanders fans too much credit. :P

The saner Sanders fans stopped giving a shit long ago and just want this nonsense to be over with. I've unfollowed all of my Bernie bro fb friends so I don't see their increasingly embarrassing nonsense in my newsfeed, and I voted for Bernie and gave him money. FEELS GOOD, MAN.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 11:01:52 AM

If she doesn't have the delegates needed well before the convention happens then it'll be a bigger disaster than 2008. She only needs 601 out of the remaining 1845 delegates. And there's more than a month after the last primary (D.C.) to the convention.

It's not like the GOP race, no other candidates than these two have pledged delegates. One will have won beforehand. The GOP has 190 or so delegates floating around pledged to Rubio, Jeb, etc. And 260-ish not attached to one of the remaining candidates. Plus Kasich could roll in with another 200 or so despite not being able to win.

Sanders would need an unpledged, uncommitted AND superdelegate stampede. On top of obliterating her in the remaining primaries.

As I mentioned the other day I think this is playing a role in his increasing polling. Hillary's clearly won, so more progressive yet pragmatic voters feel they can now vote for Bernie in the primary and try to move the party in general left without harming her. And people who have already voted for Hillary can say they now support Sanders to pollsters as well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 11:05:00 AM

Of course, this assumes Obama doesn't agree to finally indict Hillary (especially with Doris Roberts now dead) in exchange for a vote on Garland.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2016, 11:11:25 AM

The Sanders campaign is arguing a bizarre double standard, wherein Hillary must hit the 2,383 number using only pledged delegates won in caucuses and primaries out of one side of their mouth, and complaining about the existence of super delegates out of the other, yet still hoping that the super delegates come around and give him the win even though he's behind in every conceivable metric.

That particular bit of shit reasoning is a large part of why I want to throw most Bernie supporters into a fucking woodchipper.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: helios on April 19, 2016, 11:19:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPZ2TFr1Uk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 11:42:55 AM

Yeah, I really wanted Bernie to be the candidate but now that I'm betting on politics I'm forced to be more realistic :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 11:50:01 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 11:05:00 AM

Of course, this assumes Obama doesn't agree to finally indict Hillary (especially with Doris Roberts now dead) in exchange for a vote on Garland.

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mupepe on April 19, 2016, 12:16:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 11:01:52 AM

If she doesn't have the delegates needed well before the convention happens then it'll be a bigger disaster than 2008. She only needs 601 out of the remaining 1845 delegates. And there's more than a month after the last primary (D.C.) to the convention.

It's not like the GOP race, no other candidates than these two have pledged delegates. One will have won beforehand. The GOP has 190 or so delegates floating around pledged to Rubio, Jeb, etc. And 260-ish not attached to one of the remaining candidates. Plus Kasich could roll in with another 200 or so despite not being able to win.

Sanders would need an unpledged, uncommitted AND superdelegate stampede. On top of obliterating her in the remaining primaries.

As I mentioned the other day I think this is playing a role in his increasing polling. Hillary's clearly won, so more progressive yet pragmatic voters feel they can now vote for Bernie in the primary and try to move the party in general left without harming her. And people who have already voted for Hillary can say they now support Sanders to pollsters as well.

This is basically me.  Hillary was always the eventual nominee and I like the gist of Bernie's policies so might as well vote for him.  It's not like either of them are going to win Texas anyways so who gives a shit?  I'd like to just be part of the Dem party looking to push it a little farther left. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2016, 12:36:45 PM

Quote from: helios on April 19, 2016, 11:19:19 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWPZ2TFr1Uk

she's been doing it for decades....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 12:49:34 PM

Andykun? Will you please load me up with HillGifs so I can troll people into giving me their money?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 01:19:31 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 12:49:34 PM

Andykun? Will you please load me up with HillGifs so I can troll people into giving me their money?

(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/blogs/the_slatest/2015/12/21/hillary_clinton_jalape_o_and_hot_sauce_fiend/151220_hillaryhotsauce_gettyimages497918300.jpg.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.jpg)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3osxYgdLllJpTenJu0/giphy.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/bv7W2x3.gif)

(https://images.newrepublic.com/361c52b00b100bc1bd1bfd0e9e5714b23929d108.gif?w=600&q=65&dpi=1&h=337)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 01:26:01 PM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l41m6ssBmzOUQc3NS/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 01:28:26 PM

Thanks!  :-*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Brehvolution on April 19, 2016, 02:06:08 PM

Quote

“Since when should a presidential candidate for the Republican—or any other party for that matter to be the President of the United States—when should they have to cater to a small group of delegates as opposed to what the will of the people actually is,” Trump Jr. told Hannity. “I mean, that’s almost mind boggling. I mean, I feel like we’re living in communist China, it’s ridiculous.”

(http://i.imgur.com/5NBGCLA.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 02:14:13 PM

Quote from: Dufus on April 19, 2016, 01:50:34 PM

real talk

hillary stans are a lot more weird than bernie stans

(https://i.imgur.com/kVVKxHZ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2016, 02:54:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 03:12:18 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ujmNSR0.png)

typical 1% tourist behavior

on a weekday no less

Sounds like her and Huma had a nice date.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2016, 04:32:02 PM

Shaun King being trash again
http://www.mediaite.com/online/daily-beast-editor-accuses-nydns-shaun-king-of-plagiarizing-their-exclusive/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: daycru on April 19, 2016, 04:43:14 PM

Quote from: Dufus on April 19, 2016, 01:50:34 PM

real talk

hillary stans are a lot more weird than bernie stans

We seem to talk about fucking him a lot less. The one obvious distinction.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 04:46:02 PM

Quote from: daycru on April 19, 2016, 04:43:14 PM

Quote from: Dufus on April 19, 2016, 01:50:34 PM

real talk

hillary stans are a lot more weird than bernie stans

We seem to talk about fucking him a lot less. The one obvious distinction.

It's heresy to talk about fucking our Jewish carpenter Lord, Jesus Sanders.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 04:59:35 PM

Washington Post Reporter Doxxed For Writing Critical Article About Bernie Sanders (http://www.mediaite.com/print/washington-post-reporter-doxxed-for-writing-critical-article-about-bernie-sanders/)

:(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 05:55:01 PM

(http://api.theweek.com/sites/default/files/419HillaryGOP.jpg?resize=807x807)

:snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2016, 06:30:04 PM

god that's awful

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Steve Contra on April 19, 2016, 06:32:02 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 19, 2016, 06:30:04 PM

god that's awful

millennials amirite

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2016, 06:36:38 PM

also that rebuttal has really bad parallel structure

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 19, 2016, 06:39:11 PM

Your butt has really bad parallel structure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2016, 06:39:43 PM

https://twitter.com/WTHRcom/status/722535401475457024
:drudge

winning Indiana would get him  back on the path to 1237.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2016, 07:29:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 19, 2016, 06:32:02 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 19, 2016, 06:30:04 PM

god that's awful

millennials amirite

us gamers, huh?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 08:31:05 PM

Cashed out on my Bernie no shares, and have it all in margin 15 or less. Hope it isn't a murder

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 19, 2016, 08:53:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2016, 06:39:43 PM

https://twitter.com/WTHRcom/status/722535401475457024
:drudge

winning Indiana would get him  back on the path to 1237.

Is that factoring in Cruz stealing shit tons of his delegates at state conventions, tho?

 :letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 09:17:59 PM

Oh no

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: tiesto on April 19, 2016, 09:50:23 PM

The dream is dead :( Ahh well, I did my part.

Well, at least Trump crushed Cruz. If anything, Hillary vs Trump will provide some incredible entertainment these next few months.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Trent Dole on April 19, 2016, 09:55:53 PM

Hillary/Drumpf debates are going to be amazingggg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Atramental on April 19, 2016, 10:04:43 PM

It was a long, long shot at the very beginning.

I'm surprised he made it this far.

Anyways... Hillary 2016.  :cody

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Mandark on April 19, 2016, 10:05:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2016, 10:00:45 AM

You know Bernie's response is gonna be

-corporations
-superdelegates
-everyone knows NY is in the deep South

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 10:05:37 PM

Hopefully this model is right, for my money's sake

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/04/19/upshot/live-model-estimating-new-york-democratic-primary-delegates.html?_r=0

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2016, 10:32:12 PM

People were just pretending they thought Sanders had a shot, right?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 10:40:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WvoW1Xt.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/b4tDwga.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 10:41:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2016, 10:32:12 PM

People were just pretending they thought Sanders had a shot, right?

Occam's razor, etc.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 10:47:11 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cgb5n71XIAARtAf.jpg)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/lfqvIHA8Aydl6/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Boogie on April 19, 2016, 11:06:08 PM

Leper Andrex

Ban AiA

Icon....shit.  No one.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 19, 2016, 11:24:48 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgdB0TVUkAACuaU.jpg)
https://twitter.com/FanSince09/status/722618638906163201
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: benjipwns on April 20, 2016, 12:04:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/5DSw6Bt.png)(http://i.imgur.com/tYYU6ua.png)

yaaasss queeen

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 20, 2016, 12:30:49 AM

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 12:54:24 AM

Already seeing some spin. "Sanders did 2% better than Obama did in '08! We still got this!" :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2016, 01:15:25 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1bnfez8Ti0

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Scott Adams is actually the worst
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 01:15:39 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 19, 2016, 09:35:01 AM

I'm guessing (okay, betting 🤑) Hilldawg wins by <15%

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 19, 2016, 09:53:19 AM

I'm betting >10% and <15%. Hoping for more.

And I got more! 15.8% whooo!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 20, 2016, 01:23:37 AM

Yup I dun lost some money

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Mandark on April 20, 2016, 01:47:50 AM

You trying to get us on an NSA watch list, man?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Brehvolution on April 20, 2016, 08:55:25 AM

Quote

With 93% of the vote in at 12:15 a.m ET, Trump was in the lead at 60% while Ohio Gov. John Kasich was at 25.2% and Texas Sen. Ted Cruz was at 14.8%.

Something  tells me those aren't the NY Values Cruz was talking about. :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Dennis on April 20, 2016, 10:25:39 AM

Trump winning everything but Manhattan  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 11:00:57 AM

S4P right now, I'm eating. :whew

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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[close]

:mouf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 11:18:53 AM

Quote from: WRATH VICE™ on April 20, 2016, 11:11:24 AM

If we somehow get Cruz, Trump, Hillary and Sanders going into November I'll quit the Internet.

Not really, but I'll be really annoyed for a while.

Trump and Sanders as independents you mean? I could see Trump trying it, but I don't think Sanders would be that stupid (despite it clearly being what his fanbase want.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 20, 2016, 11:23:38 AM

Ted Cruz is done.  He's becoming unglued and had a meltdown on Sean Hannity's radio show.  The delegate election process has backlashed against him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Brehvolution on April 20, 2016, 11:46:32 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on April 20, 2016, 11:23:38 AM

Ted Cruz is done. 

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 20, 2016, 02:03:51 PM

If Trump doesn't get the nomination and runs as an independent would be the most hilarious thing to have happened politically in all my life. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 02:25:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/v4cWrbR.png)

Even better than I thought, an even 16 :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Brehvolution on April 20, 2016, 02:25:47 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Esmt9LA.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/PFItygP.png)

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 20, 2016, 03:14:30 PM

had to google Trey Anastasio to get the joke

#blackexcellence :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: VomKriege on April 20, 2016, 07:01:04 PM

That Kasich campaigning in NYC  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 20, 2016, 08:34:24 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on April 20, 2016, 07:01:04 PM

That Kasich campaigning in NYC  :lol

Kasich has been mathematically eliminated from winning so voting for him is meaningless.  He should have done better in New York and in many of these upcoming mid Atlantic primaries but all of the polls show Trump ahead anywhere from 13 points (Pennsylvania) to 37 (Delaware) (Source) (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/).  Had Kasich been viable, he would likely be a lot more competitive in places like Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, etc.

The only reason he is still in the race is to use his 66 Ohio delegates as a bargaining chip.  Personally I think he will end up as Trump's VP if Trump falls short of the needed delegates.  Ohio delegate rules say if someone drops out, they will be allocated to the next winner, which was Donald Trump.  So if Trump agrees to Kasich being his VP, Kasich will drop out, the 66 delegates (plus several others he picked up along the way) will go to Trump and put him into the majority.

Ted Cruz will be in the same boat after April 26 primaries.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 10:48:48 PM

Bernie Sanders’s campaign manager tried to argue delegate math on MSNBC. It didn’t go well. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/04/20/bernie-sanderss-campaign-manager-tried-to-argue-delegate-math-on-msnbc-it-didnt-go-well/)

(http://i.imgur.com/sgcMgDG.gif)

Next week's "Super Tuesday III" will be awe-inspiring. Maryland (95 delegates) and Pennsylvania (189 delegates) are up for grabs, and Hillary is up by 26 (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-maryland-presidential-democratic-primary) and 14 (http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-pennsylvania-democratic-presidential-primary) points in those states respectively. To say nothing of the other states that day (Delaware: 21 delegates, Connecticut: 55 delegates, Rhode Island: 24 delegates), only one of which seems to vaguely favor Sanders (RI.)

It's gonna be a repeat of New York but on a much bigger scale with even more delegates on the line.

Can't wait. (http://i.imgur.com/DtIiDdJ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 20, 2016, 11:22:22 PM

Bernie needs to get out. His time's up, the party's over. Sweep all the trash into the closet and go home.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 20, 2016, 11:24:37 PM

If he's made it this far, why wouldn't he keep going 6-7 more weeks?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 11:41:57 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on April 20, 2016, 11:24:37 PM

If he's made it this far, why wouldn't he keep going 6-7 more weeks?

He continues to bilk swaths of rubes out of their money for donations even at this point, so I get that argument.

As someone who's tired of his shit though, he needs to go. (https://i.imgur.com/wmKL5Gb.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 20, 2016, 11:55:36 PM

Look, I cut Bernie a TON of slack. But it's high time he get out. He's got no path forward. Stop it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Mandark on April 21, 2016, 12:24:57 AM

Hillary stans getting morally righteous about a candidate staying in too long.  :spin

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: bluemax on April 21, 2016, 12:50:11 AM

But: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/yes-bernie-sanders-will-become-president_b_9726650.html

(note this is from two days ago)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: VomKriege on April 21, 2016, 02:43:58 AM

This columnist has gone deep in the rabbit hole. Will probably turn coat to an alt right op ed when the bitterness over the results will overflow him.

Also wrote :
"Bernie Sanders Will Remain the True Democratic Front-Runner Until the FBI Finishes Its Investigation"
"Bernie Sanders Is Almost Tied Nationally and Ahead of Clinton in Three Democratic Primary Polls"
"Bernie Sanders Will Become Democratic Nominee Even If Clinton Leads in Delegates"
"Iraq, Trustworthiness, and the FBI Investigation Make Bernie Sanders More Qualified Than Hillary Clinton"
"Wisconsin Just Elected Bernie Sanders President"
"10 Questions the FBI Could Ask Hillary Clinton That Would Benefit Bernie Sanders"
"The FBI's Interview of Hillary Clinton Will Save Obama's Legacy and Nominate Bernie Sanders"

And that's just for April  :neogaf :paul

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2016, 09:33:04 AM

Quote from: Mandark on April 21, 2016, 12:24:57 AM

Hillary stans getting morally righteous about a candidate staying in too long.  :spin

You will be made to YAAS QUEEN.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 21, 2016, 09:33:16 AM

HA Goodman is making bank off the Bernie bots endlessly sharing his faux-hope stories. I have to believe he's a high-tier media troll like Bill O'Reilly at this point.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2016, 10:37:32 AM

Nah it's Benji. He has to pay off his Bundy related legal fees somehow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Trent Dole on April 21, 2016, 11:49:53 AM

Equating Trump and Hillary. :cmonson I mean, she kind of sucks but she isn't a literal fascist goddamn.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: VomKriege on April 21, 2016, 12:33:27 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on April 20, 2016, 08:34:24 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on April 20, 2016, 07:01:04 PM

That Kasich campaigning in NYC  :lol

Kasich has been mathematically eliminated from winning so voting for him is meaningless.  He should have done better in New York and in many of these upcoming mid Atlantic primaries but all of the polls show Trump ahead anywhere from 13 points (Pennsylvania) to 37 (Delaware) (Source) (http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/).  Had Kasich been viable, he would likely be a lot more competitive in places like Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, etc.

The only reason he is still in the race is to use his 66 Ohio delegates as a bargaining chip.  Personally I think he will end up as Trump's VP if Trump falls short of the needed delegates.  Ohio delegate rules say if someone drops out, they will be allocated to the next winner, which was Donald Trump.  So if Trump agrees to Kasich being his VP, Kasich will drop out, the 66 delegates (plus several others he picked up along the way) will go to Trump and put him into the majority.

Ted Cruz will be in the same boat after April 26 primaries.

I made myself unclear, it's what he did that cracked me up, not that he was campaigning per se.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE23uSUbraM

Some of it must be part of the "Down to earth real simple guy from Midwest" routine, but wow. Those orthodox jews must have been   :cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Brehvolution on April 21, 2016, 01:14:57 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-transgender-people-should-be-allowed-to-use-bathroom-of-their-choice/
(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cruz-slams-trumps-transgender-bathroom-comments-have-we-gone-stark-raving-nuts/
:letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Steve Contra on April 21, 2016, 01:27:48 PM

An old friend of mine from Salt lake got deported today.  Came over at 14, lived here for more than 20 years, has 3 American children and has worked his entire life.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 21, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cpqoVqqDGk

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 21, 2016, 01:29:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 21, 2016, 01:27:48 PM

An old friend of mine from Salt lake got deported today.  Came over at 14, lived here for more than 20 years, has 3 American children and has worked his entire life.

Shit man. :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: VomKriege on April 21, 2016, 01:56:34 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 21, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cpqoVqqDGk

:heh

Well, they have a sexy Evil Huma Abedin at least.

Trump far less bigoted on trans people than Mexicans  :flabbypd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Steve Contra on April 21, 2016, 02:55:04 PM

Quote from: Dufus on April 21, 2016, 01:41:04 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 21, 2016, 01:27:48 PM

An old friend of mine from Salt lake got deported today.  Came over at 14, lived here for more than 20 years, has 3 American children and has worked his entire life.

That's fucked up.

It's painful shit.  He came over as a minor and went to visit his family when he was 19 or so and got picked up crossing back.  They let him stay because he had a newborn but they kept tabs on him.  I guess someone needed an easy win and they picked him up at his house this morning.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: brawndolicious on April 21, 2016, 05:01:01 PM

I'm just curious but was it because he re-entered the country at 19 that he doesn't qualify for the Deferred Action executive order? I would think that excludes most illegal immigrants.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Steve Contra on April 21, 2016, 05:11:56 PM

Yep.  His wife qualified thank god so she can stay with the kids while they try and sort something out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2016, 05:16:31 PM

I hope something works out. Good to hear the mom is still here but fuck...what a shitty turn of events.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Tasty on April 21, 2016, 05:33:31 PM

S4P is my new Truman Show.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/5rAg4qI.png)

Quote

All of us need to redouble our efforts. This is crucial. Start by emptying out your life savings right now and donating what you can to Bernie.

(http://i.imgur.com/Et131DQ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/6Dl1Spd.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/sgFG5qo.png)

[close]

(https://media.giphy.com/media/BqMIJUVmeUcxO/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Steve Contra on April 21, 2016, 05:35:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on April 21, 2016, 05:16:31 PM

I hope something works out. Good to hear the mom is still here but fuck...what a shitty turn of events.

It's brutal.  He also supports his parents in mexico so that's going to dry up.  His boss who's my friends dad (and has been his boss since he graduated, better than most Americans) is trying to get together some sort of leagl fund to see what we can do.  Sickens me  :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 21, 2016, 10:11:54 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 21, 2016, 05:33:31 PM

S4P is my new Truman Show.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/5rAg4qI.png)

Quote

All of us need to redouble our efforts. This is crucial. Start by emptying out your life savings right now and donating what you can to Bernie.

(http://i.imgur.com/Et131DQ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/6Dl1Spd.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/sgFG5qo.png)

[close]

(https://media.giphy.com/media/BqMIJUVmeUcxO/giphy.gif)

For all intents and purposes, the primaries in both parties are done with obvious winners.  The last few weeks will be cold slaps of reality.  There will be mass triggerings on April 26 and it will be awesome.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2016, 12:02:00 AM

Quote

Citing “lessons learned from online engagement with ‘Bernie Bros,’” a pro-Hillary Clinton Super PAC is pledging to spend $1 million to “push back against” users on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit and Instagram.

Correct the Record’s “Barrier Breakers” project boasts in a press release that it has already “addressed more than 5,000 people that have personally attacked Hillary Clinton on Twitter.” The PAC released this on Thursday.

The PAC was created in May of last year when it was spun off from the American Bridge SuperPAC, which is run by longtime Hillary and Bill Clinton supporter David Brock. Brock also founded the left-wing media watchdog website Media Matters for America.

Some Bernie Sanders-supporting users on Reddit already started to notice the changes on Thursday afternoon.

“This explains why my inbox turned to cancer on Tuesday,” wrote user OKarizee. “Been a member of reddit for almost 4 years and never experienced anything like it. In fact, in all my years on the internet I’ve never experienced anything like it.”

Correct the Record, which has received $5 million this campaign season and has spent almost $4.5 million of it, according to OpenSecrets.org, outlined its strategy against “swarms of anonymous attackers” in a press release.

“While Hillary Clinton fights to break down barriers and bring America together, the Barrier Breakers 2016 digital task force will serve as a resource for supporters looking for positive content and push-back to share with their online progressive communities, as well as thanking prominent supporters and committed superdelegates on social media,” the statement read.

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“Barrier Breakers 2016 is focused on pushing out positive content to Hillary supporters online to counter negative attacks and false narratives,” Correct the Record’s communications director, Elizabeth Shappell, told The Daily Beast. “The expanded task force was established in anticipation of the general election.”

can't post enough :dead's without crashing the server

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 22, 2016, 12:20:05 AM

Will YAAS QUEEN for money.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2016, 12:22:41 AM

If the Koch's keep sitting out this election, I might have to switch over to all of Hillary's political views.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 22, 2016, 12:50:46 AM

We need to get rid of bad trade deals that result in American jobs like [defending Hillary Clinton] being shipped overseas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Trent Dole on April 22, 2016, 05:13:32 AM

viral candidate shill pacs? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: ToxicAdam on April 22, 2016, 02:45:43 PM

I've been posting bad opinions on-line for 30 years waiting to sell out to someone. Pls send me monies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2016, 06:34:46 PM

As stated earlier, I have declared that mathematically Ted Cruz is the nominee, there is a 99%+ chance of this occurring. The odds of a Trump win is less than 1%. The math is certain, we only await for the News Media to realize it and the Trump team.

Trump lost to the best candidate in over 100 years, there is no shame in that. (http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Trent Dole on April 22, 2016, 07:41:33 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 22, 2016, 06:34:46 PM

As stated earlier, I have declared that mathematically Ted Cruz is the nominee, there is a 99%+ chance of this occurring. The odds of a Drumpf win is less than 1%. The math is certain, we only await for the News Media to realize it and the Drumpf team.

Drumpf lost to the best candidate in over 100 years, there is no shame in that. (http://www.redstate.com/diary/creinstein/2016/04/22/290282/)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFoC3TR5rzI
(http://i.imgur.com/RzbqLnV.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 22, 2016, 10:08:51 PM

Unskew the Cruz!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 22, 2016, 10:21:26 PM

Also, I wonder who the great candidate was from over 100 years ago that Cruz can't quite match up to? Was it Mr. New York Values Ted Roosevelt?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Oblivion on April 22, 2016, 10:36:40 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 22, 2016, 10:21:26 PM

Also, I wonder who the great candidate was from over 100 years ago that Cruz can't quite match up to? Was it Mr. New York Values Ted Roosevelt?

Also, too. By saying that Cruz is the best candidate in 100 years, it implies that Cruz is in fact superior to Ronaldus Magnus himself.  :whoo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2016, 12:10:25 AM

I went looking in that guys archives to try and find somewhere where he made that case for Cruz. Nothing, but I did find this:

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I have a bone to pick with the idea that Libertarians are our allies. At best they are fickle allies and at worst they are our enemy. Even the Libertarians see us at best as something to co-opt for their power and at worst as a blot on the world needing to be wiped out.

We are not Libertarians, they are not us. If a pro-drugs, pro-abortion, anti-war, big-government, communist was running for President/Governor/Representative/Whatever, versus a anti-drugs, pro-life, sometimes you got to fight when your a man, small government, Conservative… It is as likely they will vote for the Democrat as they will the Republican.

They have a very anti-Conservative platform. They have willingly cost us elections by muddling things up and pulling moderates away.

Libertarianism is the belief that regulations, such as the one preventing a semi-truck driver with explosives in his trailer, from driving for 28 hours straight (currently in a residential neighborhood) becuase his boss has a tight tike schedule for the contract, are bad and should be destroyed.

Libertarianism is the belief that wars are the fault of the United States (or ones home nation) and that if we just tried peace no more evil, such as Hitler, woukd exist. Chamberlain was a Libertarian type in this regards…. worked so well for how many hundreds of millions?

libertarianism is the belief that roads will be effectively repaired by interested parties, that bridges will magically spring up to meet needs.

Libertarianism is what the North American Man Boy Love Association preaches, where a 50 year old should be allowed to bugger a 10 year old…. cause it is all about love man!

Libertarianism is about making a gold standard and thus tying ourselves to a commodity which other nations can dump or horde and thus severely affect our economy.

Libertarians want marriage not to be of the State, but if they cannot get that then they want legalized gay marriage.

Libertarianism is the belief that borders are a bad thing, that we should welcome with open arms those who seek to enter our nation.

Libertarianism is the belief that abortion is of no consequence and is the right of the individual to choose.

Libertarians believe in the right of assisted suicide as well.

Libertarianism is as poisonous and dangerous to Conservatism as is Communism. Both lead to massive upheavals, misguided efforts, and tremendous loss of life if allowed to grow out of hand. This is why educating about the bad sides of both is so important.

Look the evils of Libertarians is easy to see, just look at all the deaths of WWII. Most of that would not have happened except a Libertarian decided that giving away other nations in exchange for peace was ok.

Libertarians cannot win a fair fight, this is why they try to confuse us, befuddle us, recruit via lies, attack our best candidates (Yes Ron Paul I am looking at your attacks in those elections for President you ran in!), try to co-opt anything successful to convert it to their gains (Efforts to kidnap websites including RedState, the co-opt of the Reform Party with Buchanan, and the Tea Party which they still try to say is their idea and their platform), and act despicable when they do not get their way.

The Libertarians are again, at best a fickle bunch of beings, voting for what they perceive is their best interests, not in the interests of the Republican Party. At worst they are the source of much infighting, much lost focus upon the Democrats, the weakening of our Party, and are responsible for keeping the Establishment in power.

Without the Libertarians we might just be a lot more stable, attractive, and capable in elections.

:paul

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: thisismyusername on April 24, 2016, 05:32:57 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3554797/Woman-19-leading-Flint-water-crisis-lawsuit-murdered-week-suspicious-death-man-wanted-questioning-lead-poisoning.html

 :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2016, 05:58:30 PM

Koch Bros. back Hillary for GOP nomination. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-2016/index.html) :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: octopushover on April 24, 2016, 09:46:55 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2016, 05:58:30 PM

Koch Bros. back Hillary for GOP nomination. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/politics/charles-koch-hillary-clinton-2016/index.html) :lawd

it's incredible that some people can't see through this fuckery

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: tiesto on April 25, 2016, 09:44:43 AM

Cruz and Kasich forge an alliance to try and take down Trump.  :lol

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/cruz-kasich-alliance-trump/479667/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/cruz-kasich-alliance-trump/479667/)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2016, 11:09:15 AM

:bow The Best Candidate in Over 100 Years. :bow2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2016, 11:13:27 AM

Need some tag team WWE gifs in here

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: brob on April 25, 2016, 12:02:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/iJiCsgs.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 25, 2016, 01:21:56 PM

4-player Mario Party probably has destroyed nearly as many friendships as political arguments.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Brehvolution on April 25, 2016, 01:58:05 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/layin-ted-woman-who-looks-like-cruz-inks-10000-porn-deal/

(http://i.imgur.com/cN5PFHD.gif)

People want to see this?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| Corporate billionaire super-delegates
Post by: nachobro on April 25, 2016, 02:43:14 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 25, 2016, 11:13:27 AM

Need some tag team WWE gifs in here

I think this fits the situation pretty well

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m93KShp4B3U

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2016, 02:44:40 PM

Nick CorasanitiVerified account
‏@NYTnickc
Bobby Knight will join Trump at event on Wednesday in Indianapolis, according to release from campaign.

of course

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Qxu5cvW-ds

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 25, 2016, 03:03:51 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/a79pV7V.png)

TOMORROW

(http://i.imgur.com/sLO5gA0.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 25, 2016, 03:23:30 PM

99% chance Bernie wins the nomination right now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 04:35:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ErtKgmc.png)

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/apr/24/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-said-poor-people-dont-vote/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2016, 04:43:54 PM

And I'd guess turn out is even worse for primaries

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: mormapope on April 25, 2016, 04:52:04 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2016, 04:47:13 PM

That's not why Sanders is losing the race for the nomination, though.

A+ backpedal  :clap

Might not be a main reason, but its a reason nonetheless.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: mormapope on April 25, 2016, 05:25:45 PM

Seemed like an on the spot answer that he knew would be true or hard to refute, as he probably saw  numbers like that beforehand at various points in his life. It's a hard question to answer without stepping on other people's toes or your own toes too heavily.

He instead chose an easy answer that's hard to refute outright with available data.
 :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 25, 2016, 05:37:43 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2016, 03:41:03 PM

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talking to NBC News’ Chuck Todd, Sanders put forward a new take on the Democratic race. Here was the exchange on “Meet the Press”:
TODD:  I have quite some interesting numbers here. So 17 of the 25 states with the highest levels of income inequality have held primaries. Sixteen of those 17 states have been won by Hillary Clinton, not by you. Why?
 
SANDERS: Well, because poor people don’t vote. I mean, that’s just a fact. That’s a sad reality of American society. And that’s what we have to transform. We have one – as you know, one of the lowest voter turnouts of any major country on Earth. We have done a good job bringing young people in. I think we have done – had some success with lower income people. But in America today – the last election in 2014, 80% percent of poor people did not vote.

(http://i.imgur.com/CiXYE14.gif)

So is he saying...there is no political revolution  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 25, 2016, 05:41:14 PM

Quote from: Esch on April 25, 2016, 05:05:51 PM

Is Clinton getting consistently outperformed by Bernie amongst poorer voters that do show up to the polls? What about in states with higher income inequality?

Hillary Clinton has +10 points on low-income voters. (https://twitter.com/PaulBegala/status/723992747036782593)

If more poor people voted, Sanders would be losing by an even greater amount.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 05:44:32 PM

Quote from: mormapope on April 25, 2016, 05:25:45 PM

Seemed like an on the spot answer that he knew would be true or hard to refute, as he probably saw  numbers like that beforehand at various points in his life. It's a hard question to answer without stepping on other people's toes or your own toes too heavily.

He instead chose an easy answer that's hard to refute outright with available data.
 :yeshrug

A+ backpedal :clap

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:49:52 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 25, 2016, 05:41:14 PM

Hillary Clinton has +10 points on low-income voters. (https://twitter.com/PaulBegala/status/723992747036782593)

If more poor people voted, Sanders would be losing by an even greater amount.

"Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted.”

Clinton Super PACers think $50,000 household income is the cutoff for poor?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: mormapope on April 25, 2016, 05:52:28 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 05:44:32 PM

A+ backpedal :clap

I'm explaining why he said what he said, not if what he said was the main reason or merit for his defeats. I'm not the one looking to shit on Bernie or Hillary for throwing out a simple answer. For all the reasons for someone to shit on Bernie, saying poor people don't vote is something to gawk at? THAT's a outlandish reason why you're losing in a political race?

Anyways, lets continue with shitting on a candidate that was never going to win according to people for the last year.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 25, 2016, 05:55:44 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:49:52 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 25, 2016, 05:41:14 PM

Hillary Clinton has +10 points on low-income voters. (https://twitter.com/PaulBegala/status/723992747036782593)

If more poor people voted, Sanders would be losing by an even greater amount.

"Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted.”

Clinton Super PACers think $50,000 household income is the cutoff for poor?

The term specifically used was "low-income," which does apply, and <$50k does also include those suffering from moderate and extreme poverty.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:59:53 PM

The term specifically used by Bernie was “poor”, though. $50k a year is about the median family income in the US. So I don’t think the numbers you quoted really apply and I find it revealing that a Clinton Super PACer thinks that an income level that high is “low”, illustrating that he may be out of touch with actual poverty.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:00:17 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:49:52 PM

"Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted.”

Clinton Super PACers think $50,000 household income is the cutoff for poor?

The lowest bracket used in exit polls is <$30k and Hillary has mostly beaten him in that category too.

So yeah, this is an L for Bernie.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 25, 2016, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:49:52 PM

Clinton Super PACers think

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:59:53 PM

I find it revealing that a Clinton Super PACer

 :confused

Thanks for my new tag bro :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 06:04:28 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 25, 2016, 06:01:48 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:49:52 PM

Clinton Super PACers think

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:59:53 PM

I find it revealing that a Clinton Super PACer

 :confused

Thanks for my new tag bro :snob

It’s not an insult. The tweet you quoted was from Paul Begala, "CNN commentator, Adviser to pro-Hillary Super PAC, Counselor to the Pres. in Clinton White House, diehard Texas Longhorn. (Not in that order.)”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: mormapope on April 25, 2016, 06:07:42 PM

Using twitter and not reading who the person or source is, even for correct info or data  :cmonson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2016, 06:14:24 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:00:17 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 05:49:52 PM

"Sanders has lost Democratic voters with household incomes below $50,000 by 55 percent to 44 percent to Clinton across primaries where network exit polls have been conducted.”

Clinton Super PACers think $50,000 household income is the cutoff for poor?

The lowest bracket used in exit polls is <$30k and Hillary has mostly beaten him in that category too.

So yeah, this is an L for Bernie.

Not that I disagree but if you don't assume that the poor who do vote are representative of those that don't for various reasons (political disenfranchisement, prison, etc.) then his statement could hold as it might be that he appeals more to those groups than the poor who do vote. 

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The poor who don't vote don't vote because they are the poor who don't vote but if they did, they would be for Bernie as they will benefit most from his plans is the reasoning he and lots of his supports hold on this.

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In reality though, he's still losing either way. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:21:33 PM

Sure, but then you'd need a reason to expect Bernie to do significantly better among the disenfranchised/disengaged poor than the ones who vote.  Of course given how black turnout lags white and how he's done along racial lines...

Real talk: the only way higher turnout among poor or low-income voters helps Bernie is if you insert the word "white."  Otherwise it just widens the gap in favor of Hillary.  That doesn't mean he or his campaign are racist or any more problematic than Hillary or whatever, that's just how it broke this campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2016, 06:26:36 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:21:33 PM

Sure, but then you'd need a reason to expect Bernie to do significantly better among the disenfranchised

I think that they think that disenfranchisement is the reason.  Bernie is the non-establishment candidate that would attract the disenfranchised vote in the hypothetical votes that he's counting.  Which really shows why answering the question 'Why are people not voting for you' with 'because the right kind of people aren't voting' doesn't work since you can have them vote any way regardless of voting data.  An if it was only to answer a question with nonsense then whatever - politicians do that all the time.  However Bernie and his followers really hold fast to this idea that there are a significant amount of non-voters that going to see the light and vote for him come the election. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 06:31:19 PM

Why not? The poor and disenfranchised seem like ideal voters for the candidate promising the most amount of services and cash transfers. I mean we’re arguing unknowable hypotheticals, but it seems sound to me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 25, 2016, 06:38:02 PM

1)  If the poor people voting republican is any indication, poor people often don't vote in their own interests.
2) Trump can also lay claim to those same disenchant vote. 
3) I think lots of poor and disenfranchised people will see the word socialist and run away.


Basically saying people will vote in their best economic interest ignores way to many other factors in voting.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:38:35 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 06:31:19 PM

Why not? The poor and disenfranchised seem like ideal voters for the candidate promising the most amount of services and cash transfers. I mean we’re arguing unknowable hypotheticals, but it seems sound to me.

But we already have lots of results of voters not behaving that way.

If you're going to go that hard against the empirical data, you better have some REALLY good reasons to do so, other than wishful thinking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:43:40 PM

Honestly, I just think Bernie simply believed he's been winning the poor vote, since (I think) he does better among lower-income voters when you control for race.

To me that's more plausible than him believing in some split among the civically-engaged and -disengaged poor, which isn't a theme I've seen him talk about elsewhere.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 06:46:22 PM

I was specifically referring to the disenfranchised non-voters in the primaries that Bernie was referring to, not in a general. I do not think Bernie will win the nomination nor do I think that counting on non-voters is a good campaign strategy. :lol

And excuse my ignorance, Mandark, but I just haven’t seen the empirical data you are referring to. Tasty Meat’s link didn’t really make sense, but I am interested in seeing these results. I have just been thinking about how social democrats came to power and stayed in power in Scandinavia, which is mostly by attracting forever voters by providing services that once given guarantee party loyalty for life.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:57:36 PM

Quote from: Mandark on April 25, 2016, 06:00:17 PM

The lowest bracket used in exit polls is <$30k and Hillary has mostly beaten him in that category too.

I mean the data of the Democratic primaries this year.  Bernie's promising more transfers than Hillary but has been losing to her among the lowest income bracket.

The Scandinavian political economy is pretty different from the American one.  They're much smaller countries with much, much higher rates of union membership and ethnically homogeneous populations.

Honestly I know very little about the history of social democracy developing in those countries, but I strongly suspect it's the last factor that's the most important.  Ethnic and racial divisions have figured in very heavily in American politics for centuries now, and that can't be helpful for building a movement on the economic solidarity of the working class.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Samson Manhug on April 25, 2016, 07:13:41 PM

For anyone else interested, I found the data Mandark is referring to. Clinton is indeed doing better with the <$30,000 crowd and maybe the more there are the worse he does, surprisingly:

(http://i.imgur.com/wQBV761.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 25, 2016, 09:48:10 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/26/us/politics/ted-cruz-john-kasich-donald-trump.html

Apparently the Cruz-Kasich alliance didn't even last one day:

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But at his own campaign stop in Philadelphia on Monday, Mr. Kasich tamped down Mr. Cruz’s triumphalism. Voters in Indiana, Mr. Kasich said, “ought to vote for me,” even if he would not be campaigning publicly there. He added, “I don’t see this as any big deal.

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Mr. Kasich, in Pennsylvania, grew quickly agitated at the suggestion that his deal with Mr. Cruz reflected desperation.

“Me? No, I’m not desperate — are you?” he asked a reporter. “Are you desperate?”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 10:00:04 AM

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During a telephone interview with "Fox & Friends," Trump was asked about a tweet from Lena Dunham on Monday in which she vowed to leave the U.S. for Vancouver if he is elected president.

Trump's response: "Well, she's a B-actor. You know, she has no — you know, no mojo."

"I heard Whoopi Goldberg too. That would be a great thing for our country," Trump said, as the show flashed a graphic of celebrities who it said would leave the U.S. for Canada, including Dunham, Jon Stewart, and Rosie O'Donnell, with whom the Manhattan real-estate mogul has feuded for years.

When co-host Steve Doocy pointed out that O'Donnell's name on the list, Trump remarked, "Now I have to get elected."

"Now I have to get elected because I'll be doing a great service to our country," he said. "Now it's much more important. In fact, I'll immediately get off this call and start campaigning right now."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2016, 12:49:09 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

"Multiply that by how many birds like him"

"Ohh no, if anything caucuses count double"

:dead :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 01:11:03 PM

Man all this Sanders talk has me hungry. Who wants to buy a minority a sandwich today?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 26, 2016, 01:32:22 PM

I pay my taxes. I already gave a minority a sandwich today.  :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 26, 2016, 01:33:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 10:00:04 AM

Quote

During a telephone interview with "Fox & Friends," Trump was asked about a tweet from Lena Dunham on Monday in which she vowed to leave the U.S. for Vancouver if he is elected president.

Trump's response: "Well, she's a B-actor. You know, she has no — you know, no mojo."

"I heard Whoopi Goldberg too. That would be a great thing for our country," Trump said, as the show flashed a graphic of celebrities who it said would leave the U.S. for Canada, including Dunham, Jon Stewart, and Rosie O'Donnell, with whom the Manhattan real-estate mogul has feuded for years.

When co-host Steve Doocy pointed out that O'Donnell's name on the list, Trump remarked, "Now I have to get elected."

"Now I have to get elected because I'll be doing a great service to our country," he said. "Now it's much more important. In fact, I'll immediately get off this call and start campaigning right now."

The promise of a US without Lena Dunham or Rosie O'Donnell? Trump drives a hard bargain.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 02:17:59 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 26, 2016, 01:32:22 PM

I pay my taxes. I already gave a minority a sandwich today.  :success

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2016, 05:04:09 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 26, 2016, 01:11:03 PM

Man all this Sanders talk has me hungry. Who wants to buy a minority a sandwich today?  :doge

Get seriously pissed on GAF after they grudgingly take it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2016, 05:55:07 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2016/04/26/3772708/ted-cruz-transgender-bathrooms-at-home/

If you're trans and you need to take a dump, go do it at home because MAH KIDS.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Trent Dole on April 26, 2016, 06:12:26 PM

And he's the supposedly saner option for his party. :wtf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2016, 06:15:35 PM

The speed with which conservatives pivoted away from THE GAYS and have jumped on the BATHROOM PREDATORS bandwagon has caused innumerable cases of whiplash across the nation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: brawndolicious on April 26, 2016, 07:01:23 PM

Ted was probably the kid who never shit in the school bathroom (because germs) but just jerked off in there. Every. Single. Day.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: brob on April 26, 2016, 07:10:47 PM

there is a real need for harsh policing of hypothetical sexual assaults in bathrooms of a kind that has not been reported, but please be kind to this convicted child rapist http://boingboing.net/2016/04/24/leading-republicans-send-lette.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Rufus on April 26, 2016, 07:25:07 PM

Quote from: brob on April 26, 2016, 07:10:47 PM

there is a real need for harsh policing of hypothetical sexual assaults in bathrooms of a kind that has not been reported, but please be kind to this convicted child rapist http://boingboing.net/2016/04/24/leading-republicans-send-lette.html

:mindblown

Quote

In the wake of the sexual abuse allegations, journalists noted that Hastert was a supporter of measures which sought to enhance punishments for child sexual abuse, such as the Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act and the Child Abuse Prevention and Enforcement Act of 2000.[192][193] In 2003, Hastert publicly called for legislation to "put repeat child molesters into jail for the rest of their lives."[193]

Not him though, no... :piss

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2016, 07:31:16 PM

GAF primary threads always great for fuckery

(http://abload.de/img/04_cruzcdqye.jpg)

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2016, 07:39:42 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on April 26, 2016, 07:01:23 PM

Ted was probably the kid who never shit in the school bathroom (because germs) but just jerked off in there. Every. Single. Day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vt-vG_TdOT4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 26, 2016, 08:08:50 PM

Good Christ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2016, 08:49:52 PM

60 letters asking for lenience when...

Quote

Hastert's plea deal has him facing a maximum sentence of six months in prison on the financial crimes charge.

Law and order for thee but none for me. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on April 26, 2016, 09:00:20 PM

Theodora :noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2016, 09:07:51 PM

Clinton's won PA, MD, and DE. Sanders currently leading in CT and RI.

Going off the called states so far, Hillary's gained 142 delegates so far tonight, with Bernie getting 66 at the time of this post.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2016, 09:23:25 PM

The Dynamic Duo of Cruz and Kasich got btfo.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2016, 09:46:00 PM

RI has been called for Bernie.

Hillary's pledged delegate lead crossed 300 tonight. It's sitting at 315 right now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 26, 2016, 09:49:15 PM

(http://45.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvgvni83P01qf1unno1_250.gif)
So Berine's just 300+ delegates behind. He's still good. He's still good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: octopushover on April 26, 2016, 09:55:42 PM

for posterity

(http://i.imgur.com/dcK93CJ.png?1)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2016, 10:33:33 PM

CT has flipped from 52/48 Sanders to 52/48 Clinton.

(https://goo.gl/ZLndSz)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2016, 10:52:18 PM

CT officially called for Hillary.

After tonight she's gained 76 on Sanders, increasing her total lead to 320 pledged delegates.

:whew

Wish she could have swept RI too for a repeat of Super Tuesday II, but that was always a longshot. Demolishing him by 31 points in the second-biggest state tonight was more than enough. :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: tiesto on April 26, 2016, 11:01:12 PM

Well we knew last week when Bernie lost NY... but yeah it's over for him. Damn :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2016, 11:07:06 PM

Quote from: tiesto on April 26, 2016, 11:01:12 PM

Well we knew last week when Bernie lost NY... but yeah it's over for him. Damn :(

There there fam, it'll be OK

(https://images.washingtonpost.com/?url=https://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.hipchat.com/51570/2765322/tfx7qm44dfdD4Bt/handshake.gif&op=noop)

...as long as we beat Trump or Cruz in November :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2016, 11:21:44 PM

Also, I don't know what the expectations were, but Trump cleaned up in all five states tonight and won with 50%+ in all of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2016, 11:24:12 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 26, 2016, 08:49:52 PM

60 letters asking for lenience when...

Quote

“We all have our flaws, but Dennis Hastert has very few. He is a good man that loves the Lord. He gets his integrity and values from Him. He doesn’t deserve what he is going through. I ask that you consider the man that is before you and give him leniency where you can,” [Tom DeLay’s letter] concludes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 26, 2016, 11:30:06 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2016, 11:21:44 PM

Also, I don't know what the expectations were, but Trump cleaned up in all five states tonight and won with 50%+ in all of them.

These states were meant to be Trump territory, but I think he outperformed the polling average in all the states, which he almost never did until NY.

Consensus seems to be it's more likely that he gets to 1237 now than it was before.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2016, 11:51:12 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/suNuADv.jpg)

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Trent Dole on April 27, 2016, 12:30:35 AM

Trump's really going to be the Repub nominee huh. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Oblivion on April 27, 2016, 12:33:37 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2016, 11:51:12 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/suNuADv.jpg)

:heh

People will remember the legendary raid on Rosie O'Donnell's compound for generations.  :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2016, 01:27:10 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on April 27, 2016, 12:30:35 AM

Trump's really going to be the Repub nominee huh. :neogaf

This GOP election cycle is like the Golden State Warriors season.  We might not see fuckery/greatness like it again for a long time and shouldn't take it for granted.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 27, 2016, 01:31:29 AM

What a time to be alive, brehs

Title: Re: Donald Trump Making America Great |OT| - A Master Debater and Cunning Linguist
Post by: brawndolicious on April 27, 2016, 01:46:14 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2015, 10:05:12 AM

I would like to take this time to point out I fucking hate The Don and will vote for a liberal before I ever voted for him.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/g5zvwUa9720pO/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 01:51:00 AM

This is too mean to post earnestly but too useful to not post. So:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/WhTVrWm.gif)

:lol

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2016, 10:04:47 AM

Quote

Multiple Facebook pages supporting Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders were abruptly removed from the social media network late last night following a cyberattack.

The pro-Sanders pages — which include Bernie or Bust, Bernie Believers and Bernie Sanders is my HERO — were collectively followed by over a quarter-million supporters of the Vermont senator, and many had been operating continuously since Sanders launched his campaign last year.

The attack began around 9 p.m. EDT and lasted until just after midnight, when most of the pages recovered their accounts.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cg-XG89U0AAu3aQ.jpg)

yasss queeen

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: james on April 27, 2016, 10:56:30 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 26, 2016, 11:21:44 PM

Also, I don't know what the expectations were, but Trump cleaned up in all five states tonight and won with 50%+ in all of them.

Doesnt matter, he has a clear ceiling 62%. Just ask Nate. The guy has zero chance of winning.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 11:24:02 AM

NPR is reporting that Ted Cruz will make a major announcement about his campaign at 4pm.
Typically "major announcements" about campaigns are announcements of dropping out. Could it be possible that Cruz is less delusional than Berine?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: james on April 27, 2016, 11:51:35 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 11:24:02 AM

NPR is reporting that Ted Cruz will make a major announcement about his campaign at 4pm.
Typically "major announcements" about campaigns are announcements of dropping out. Could it be possible that Cruz is less delusional than Berine?

$2 he's announcing his VP pick

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2016, 12:12:19 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 11:24:02 AM

NPR is reporting that Ted Cruz will make a major announcement about his campaign at 4pm.
Typically "major announcements" about campaigns are announcements of dropping out. Could it be possible that Cruz is less delusional than Berine?

No:

Quote from: POLITICO

Ted Cruz said that he will be making a "major announcement" at 4 p.m. on Wednesday, and proclaimed he will keep on fighting despite Donald Trump's decisive wins on Tuesday night.

The Texas senator indicated it could be an announcement for a vice presidential pick

Rumor is that it's Carly. (Whose daughter was murdered by marijuana.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 27, 2016, 12:15:26 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on April 27, 2016, 10:34:48 AM

Bernie needs to drop the fuck out.

Clinton's refusal to quit in 2008 haunts her in 2016
While some allies want her to nudge Sanders out, others say he's only behaving like she did eight years ago. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-delegate-quit-222503)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 12:56:06 PM

You know, the more I think about it, I bet the Cruz announcement is just going to be an endorsement or something. If it was either a VP or dropping out there'd be a leak or more whisperings about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 12:59:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 27, 2016, 12:15:26 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on April 27, 2016, 10:34:48 AM

Bernie needs to drop the fuck out.

Clinton's refusal to quit in 2008 haunts her in 2016
While some allies want her to nudge Sanders out, others say he's only behaving like she did eight years ago. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-delegate-quit-222503)

Except she was losing since the second month, never regained her lead, and was never at any point losing as badly as Bernie is now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 01:02:51 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 27, 2016, 12:59:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 27, 2016, 12:15:26 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on April 27, 2016, 10:34:48 AM

Bernie needs to drop the fuck out.

Clinton's refusal to quit in 2008 haunts her in 2016
While some allies want her to nudge Sanders out, others say he's only behaving like she did eight years ago. (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-delegate-quit-222503)

Home does it pay to schill Clinton like this? Are you paid by post or by letter?

Except she was losing since the second month, never regained her lead, and was never at any point losing as badly as Bernie is now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 01:10:09 PM

AiA tears (http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/591/928/94f.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Rufus on April 27, 2016, 01:27:54 PM

Shills are annoying because they're shills, not because they're pulling for the wrong thing/person. Especially high-frequency shilling. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 01:32:38 PM

Quote from: Rufus on April 27, 2016, 01:27:54 PM

Shills are annoying because they're shills, not because they're pulling for the wrong thing/person. Especially high-frequency shilling. :ufup

Uh excuse me, you will use the dollar sign when address me as a $hill. :wag

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Rufus on April 27, 2016, 01:40:02 PM

I'm to cheap for that. Fanboy it is. (http://i.imgur.com/2m1dPLC.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 01:54:12 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 27, 2016, 01:10:09 PM

AiA tears

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85fWq2u4XF3okFcQ/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 01:55:52 PM

Spank me daddy :uguu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 01:58:31 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 27, 2016, 01:55:52 PM

Spank me daddy :uguu

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l41m1PvdVz3ExNJv2/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: tiesto on April 27, 2016, 01:58:34 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 12:56:06 PM

You know, the more I think about it, I bet the Cruz announcement is just going to be an endorsement or something. If it was either a VP or dropping out there'd be a leak or more whisperings about it.

Yeah that's what I'm thinking, someone Indiana related...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 02:13:32 PM

Trump on Clinton: 'I'm going to be taking a lot of things Bernie said and using them' (http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-gop-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/trump-using-bernie-sanders-material-222520)

Yay...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 02:15:23 PM

Because Trump would never think of anything to say against Hillary if Bernie hadn't come along :gurl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 02:16:15 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 02:15:23 PM

Because Trump would never think of anything to say against Hillary if Bernie hadn't come along :gurl

This is incorrect. He would insult her appearance, husband, and wealth, duh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Steve Contra on April 27, 2016, 02:36:50 PM

Carly Fiorina confirmed as fantasy VP :lol

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/us/politics/ted-cruz-carly-fiorina.html?_r=0 (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/28/us/politics/ted-cruz-carly-fiorina.html?_r=0)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 02:40:45 PM

:dead

Shit show going down in flames.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2016, 02:45:30 PM

Cruz campaign racking up Ls like they were layoffs at HP.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Steve Contra on April 27, 2016, 02:50:16 PM

(http://cdn1.thecomeback.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/dumpsterfire.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 03:13:52 PM

I actually think it's a smart move. It puts him in the limelight and helps with women voters that Trump is going to have an incredibly difficult time getting.....at least that's what I would have said if Cruz did this before it was a statistical impossibility for him to win the nomination.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2016, 03:17:47 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hastert-sentenced-in-hus-money-case

Call for bills protecting children from mythical transexual bathroom predators while simultaneously begging for leniency for an actual bathroom predator.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Steve Contra on April 27, 2016, 03:22:21 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 03:13:52 PM

I actually think it's a smart move. It puts him in the limelight and helps with women voters that Trump is going to have an incredibly difficult time getting.....at least that's what I would have said if Cruz did this before it was a statistical impossibility for him to win the nomination.

But, is there no likable women he could have picked?  I mean Palin was a bad choice but at least she has some charisma.  Fiorina?  Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................................

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2016, 03:24:57 PM

The question isn't "Are there other conservative women Cruz could have picked?" but "Are there other conservative women who would have accepted?"

And the answer is no.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2016, 03:30:07 PM

I thought the draft was tomorrow  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'd take Fiorina over Goff or Wentz. RIP Rams/Philly

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 04:05:42 PM

Cruz & Fiorina. The "Most Punchable Faces" Ticket. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Rufus on April 27, 2016, 04:16:09 PM

Quote from: Pallando on April 27, 2016, 04:05:42 PM

Cruz & Fiorina. The "Most Punchable Faces" Ticket. :doge

(http://i0.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ted-carly.jpg?w=1200)

 :holeup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 04:23:37 PM

:letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Rufus on April 27, 2016, 04:45:42 PM

One more:
(http://imgur.com/cHbLDsT.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Atramental on April 27, 2016, 04:49:22 PM

Quote from: Rufus on April 27, 2016, 04:16:09 PM

Quote from: Pallando on April 27, 2016, 04:05:42 PM

Cruz & Fiorina. The "Most Punchable Faces" Ticket. :doge

(http://i0.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ted-carly.jpg?w=1200)

 :holeup

looks like my 11th grade chemistry teacher.  :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 05:01:17 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/90BByyy.png)

(http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/2015/08/first-week-hall.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: james on April 27, 2016, 05:05:01 PM

Quote from: james on April 27, 2016, 11:51:35 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 11:24:02 AM

NPR is reporting that Ted Cruz will make a major announcement about his campaign at 4pm.
Typically "major announcements" about campaigns are announcements of dropping out. Could it be possible that Cruz is less delusional than Berine?

$2 he's announcing his VP pick

MSNBC, Im available for hire

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 27, 2016, 05:26:24 PM

Andy being so annoying I might have to vote Trump

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Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 05:33:42 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on April 27, 2016, 05:26:24 PM

Andy being so annoying I might have to vote Trump

(http://i.imgur.com/FdXT2FQ.gif)

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 27, 2016, 05:37:48 PM

Weren't you just crying about moving forward as a party the other day or some shit? And yet you relentlessly shit post. Don't be a sore winner :ufup

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Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 05:41:37 PM

I'm very kind to posters here who supported Bernie, like tiesto. I reserve the right to mock delusional supporters elsewhere though. :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:52:16 PM

Bernie Sanders is going to Edwards his own party. The irony is delicious.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 27, 2016, 05:53:50 PM

Hillary is sooooooo beating Trump

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:54:50 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on April 27, 2016, 05:53:50 PM

Hillary is sooooooo beating Trump

I mean that's like saying thank god I don't have gout, it's just herpes.

:ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2016, 05:57:22 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:52:16 PM

Bernie Sanders is going to Edwards his own party. The irony is delicious.

Wait, are you trying to say the democrats are less fractured than the GOP? :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:57:42 PM

Honestly.

The Kasich/Cruz partnership defies the laws of politics

The Don is a fucktard

Bernie is a Marxist

Hillary is a professional liar with no regard for her people.

I think I'm actually going to have to abstain from voting. Damn 'Merica 16..... :snoop

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 06:00:13 PM

Making fun of how Carly looks is sexist.
Making fun of how Cruz looks is fine.
What about making fun of Cruz/Carly mashup? :derp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 27, 2016, 06:25:24 PM

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/725427419360813056

 :oreilly

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://twitter.com/jameswest2010/status/725437398436425728/video/1

:neogaf

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 27, 2016, 06:41:45 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:54:50 PM

I mean that's like saying thank god I don't have gout, it's just herpes.

You'd rather have herpes than gout?

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 27, 2016, 06:48:21 PM

Gout < Herps. Fact.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 27, 2016, 07:59:20 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:54:50 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on April 27, 2016, 05:53:50 PM

Hillary is sooooooo beating Trump

I mean that's like saying thank god I don't have gout, it's just herpes.

:ufup

(http://i.imgur.com/7MtBdGG.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 27, 2016, 09:52:28 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on April 27, 2016, 05:57:42 PM

Honestly.

The Kasich/Cruz partnership defies the laws of politics

The Don is a fucktard

Bernie is a Marxist

Hillary is a professional liar with no regard for her people.

I think I'm actually going to have to abstain from voting. Damn 'Merica 16..... :snoop

Vote for the crook, it's important.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2016, 12:45:22 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 27, 2016, 03:22:21 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on April 27, 2016, 03:13:52 PM

I actually think it's a smart move. It puts him in the limelight and helps with women voters that Trump is going to have an incredibly difficult time getting.....at least that's what I would have said if Cruz did this before it was a statistical impossibility for him to win the nomination.

But, is there no likable women he could have picked?  I mean Palin was a bad choice but at least she has some charisma.  Fiorina?  Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................................

I don't see the issue. Cruz picked someone as likable as he is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 28, 2016, 07:51:51 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5By5FNb4ldA

Along with the already failed Cruz-Kasich pact, I hope we start to see daily Hail Marys by Cruz as he slips further and further behind.

There's something weird between those two. Cruz's SuperPAC donated $500,000 to Fiorina's SuperPAC: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-did-ted-cruzs-pac-give-half-a-million-to-carly-fiorinas/

I'm guessing there are some shenanigans going on there.

Delegate leads as of today:

Democrat: Clinton up by 328 pledged, 809 including superdelegates
GOP: Trump up by 425

It's over.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2016, 09:54:21 AM

I hope we find out that Cruz is shtupping Fiorina for maximum overfuckery. :lawd

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Post by: Brehvolution on April 28, 2016, 10:08:30 AM

That would be the epitome of the term 'Bumping Uglies'. :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2016, 11:57:13 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/8lu5NVA.png)

:dead

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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2016, 12:01:36 PM

At first I was like :lol, then I saw who tweeted it and I was like :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2016, 12:05:18 PM

"The merger with Compaq was the most successful merger in high-tech history," Fiorina shot back Thursday. "It saved a company and created 80,000 jobs. But not that Barbara Boxer would understand that since all she's ever done is be a professional politician and she has been disastrous for the state of California and thank goodness she's retiring."

:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2016, 12:08:15 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/john-boehner-slams-ted-cruz-i-have-never-worked-with-a-more-miserable-son-of-a-bitch-in-my-life/

Quote

John Boehner harshly denounced Sen. Ted Cruz as “Lucifer in the flesh” during a discussion Wednesday night at Stanford University.

The former Speaker of the House discussed the future of the Republican Party during the discussion — but he saved his strongest criticism for the Texas senator and GOP presidential candidate, reported the Stanford Daily.

“I have Democrat friends and Republican friends,” Boehner said. “I get along with almost everyone, but I have never worked with a more miserable son of a bitch in my life.”

:letsfukk  :woody :heyman

Quote

Boehner said he and Donald Trump had played golf together and were “texting buddies,” but he was a bit ambiguous about his relationship with Ohio Gov. John Kasich.

“He requires more effort on my behalf than all my other friends,” Boehner said. “But he’s still my friend, and I love him.”

:confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: TakingBackSunday on April 28, 2016, 12:08:58 PM

damn, that ether on cruz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2016, 12:13:03 PM

Boehner sounds amazing. :lol

Quote

Boehner’s comments also included a reference to the ongoing FBI investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was at the State Department, speculating on what might happen if the scandal widens.

“Don’t be shocked … if two weeks before the convention, here comes Joe Biden parachuting in and Barack Obama fanning the flames to make it all happen,” the former speaker said.

(http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzEwLzEzLzlhL2JpZGVuMi42ZjI4Ni5qcGcKcAl0aHVtYgkxMjAweDk2MDA-/eebd2e65/255/biden2.jpg)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2016, 12:19:59 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/dear-fbi-the-democratic-p_b_9784334.html

Save us, Based FBI!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2016, 12:22:11 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/eptVR3R.png)

 :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 28, 2016, 12:22:30 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2016, 12:19:59 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/dear-fbi-the-democratic-p_b_9784334.html

Save us, Based FBI!

HA Goodman doesn't disappoint. :mouf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2016, 01:28:27 PM

Fun fact: The current FBI director was the number 2 guy under Ashcroft in GWB's admin.

(http://i.imgur.com/NdgGMAR.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Oblivion on April 28, 2016, 02:44:53 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on April 28, 2016, 12:05:18 PM

"The merger with Compaq was the most successful merger in high-tech history," Fiorina shot back Thursday. "It saved a company and created 80,000 jobs. But not that Barbara Boxer would understand that since all she's ever done is be a professional politician and she has been disastrous for the state of California and thank goodness she's retiring."

:whew

The merger was so successful that she got fired for doing it?  ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2016, 03:30:51 PM

http://therightscoop.com/boom-cruz-supporter-steve-deace-obliterates-trumpbot-kayleighmcenany-live-on-cnn/
:whoo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on April 28, 2016, 03:38:20 PM

I can't bring myself to watch any of these "Someone DESTROYS someone else!" Youtube clips.

However, if the description's right about a Trump surrogate complaining about "ad hominem" attacks, then lolz.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 28, 2016, 03:38:58 PM

American politics:  You are a liar!  No you're a liar!

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Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2016, 04:37:44 PM

Quote

During a rally in Evansville, Indiana, on Thursday, the legendary college basketball coach and Donald Trump supporter returned to the stage during the Republican candidate's speech when Trump began to talk about his lack of desire to be "more presidential."

"We gotta talk about this presidential crap just for a moment here," Knight said. "I'll tell you who they said wasn't presidential. I don't even know what the hell presidential means, but they told him he wasn't presidential. And that guy they told all these people that wanted to say, you're not presidential, that guy was Harry Truman."

The Missouri Democrat's name drew applause in the crowd.

"And Harry Truman, with what he did in dropping and having the guts to drop the bomb in 1944 saved, saved millions of American lives," Knight said. "And that's what Harry Truman did. And he became one of the three great presidents of the United States. And here's a man who would do the same thing, because he's going to become one of the four great presidents of the United States."

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Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2016, 04:38:31 PM

Quote

Peter King really hates Ted Cruz, so much so that he suggested John Boehner gave the devil a bad name by comparing him to the Texas senator.

In an interview with CNN, the New York Republican congressman told Wolf Blitzer he agreed with the former House speaker, who called Cruz “Lucifer in the flesh” on Wednesday night.

“Maybe he gives Lucifer a bad name by comparing him to Ted Cruz,” King said. “Listen, what John Boehner was most concerned about was Ted Cruz perpetrated a fraud and a hoax when he brought about the shutdown of the government on some kind of a vague promise that he was gonna be able to take Obamacare out of the budget or to end Obamacare.”

King argued that Cruz knew his strategy would never work, but he did it anyway. He “shut down the government, cost the government money” and “served no purpose whatsoever other than to boost his name identification.”

Ahead of New York's primary earlier this month, King, who voted for John Kasich to send a message to Donald Trump, said he hates Cruz and would take cyanide if he ever won the GOP nomination.

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Post by: brawndolicious on April 28, 2016, 05:00:16 PM

At this point I'm certain that Trump will be campaigning until November, maybe again in 4 years inshaallah. But if Cruz is the GOP nominee then I wouldn't be surprised if every Republican senator and representative in a tight contest will try to tear him down as much possible to avoid being associated with him.

That's one good thing about Cruz, he's easy to hate so he makes the best loser you can imagine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 28, 2016, 05:19:18 PM

Cruz has exactly zero chance of being the nominee.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 28, 2016, 05:21:29 PM

Ted Cruz should shoot for the teen tit film instead. Xhamster would probably double that $10k for the real Ted Cruz.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 28, 2016, 07:20:46 PM

Ryan StruykVerified account
‏@ryanstruyk
Brand new @ABC count updated after our team called every unbound delegate:

Trump 996
Cruz 568
Rubio 167
Kasich 154
Uncommitted 58
Other 16

(http://i.imgur.com/YVTHeYW.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 28, 2016, 09:08:41 PM

The Cruz-Kasich pact is no more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/28/politics/john-kasich-ted-cruz-alliance/index.html

In fact, Ted Cruz is denying it even existed in the first place.

(http://i.imgur.com/6qNrS5a.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2016, 09:12:39 PM

Ted Cruz was asked to sign a copy of the Communist Manifesto:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChJv_R6XEAEk8vs.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 28, 2016, 09:13:20 PM

Also:

Quote

I asked The Satanic Temple to weigh in — after all, they have a vested interest in this matter — and spokesperson Lucien Greaves told me this:

Boehner’s comment is illustrative of how well past time it is to adjust our mythologies to reflect our realities. Cruz’s failures of reason, compassion, decency, and humanity are products of his Christian pandering, if not an actual Christian faith. It grows tedious when pedophile priests and loathsome politicians are conveniently dismissed as Satanic, even as they spew biblical verse and prostrate themselves before the cross, recruiting the Christian faithful. Satanists will have nothing to do with any of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 28, 2016, 09:15:33 PM

Lol get rekt by Satanists

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on April 28, 2016, 09:17:16 PM

Who is more loathesome: Ted Cruz or a bunch of edgelord satanists who get their clothes from Hot Topic (or more accurately, Torrid)?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on April 28, 2016, 11:00:39 PM

Ted Cruz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 28, 2016, 11:05:55 PM

Damned Canadian. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 12:54:31 AM

Quote

A student from Indiana, where Cruz is campaigning ahead of next week’s primary, started to ask Obama a question about Syrian refugees when the president cut him off.
 
“I thought you were going to ask about basketball rings,” Obama said

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:obama

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 03:03:57 AM

https://brandnewcongress.org/

Quote

America needs an honest, accountable Congress to enact Bernie's program. But trying to win each Congressional seat one-by-one is impossible. So let's run one campaign to replace Congress all at once (except those already on board) that whips up the same enthusiasm, volunteerism and money as Bernie's presidential campaign.

We're building on the tools, tactics and networks that we developed together on Bernie's campaign. But to pull this off, the volunteer movement will have to wield more power and resources than on any campaign before. This means volunteers on the ground will run their own offices and voter contact operations, and will have access to all necessary tools and materials from the start. Get ready for the most beautiful campaign ever.

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Post by: VomKriege on April 29, 2016, 04:16:58 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/cNVdF17.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2016, 09:46:33 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/t7oeaG2.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 29, 2016, 11:20:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSBGDC0rKWU

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Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2016, 12:31:09 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on April 29, 2016, 04:16:58 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/cNVdF17.png)

Christie :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2016, 12:41:03 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 03:03:57 AM

https://brandnewcongress.org/

Quote

America needs an honest, accountable Congress to enact Bernie's program. But trying to win each Congressional seat one-by-one is impossible. So let's run one campaign to replace Congress all at once (except those already on board) that whips up the same enthusiasm, volunteerism and money as Bernie's presidential campaign.

We're building on the tools, tactics and networks that we developed together on Bernie's campaign. But to pull this off, the volunteer movement will have to wield more power and resources than on any campaign before. This means volunteers on the ground will run their own offices and voter contact operations, and will have access to all necessary tools and materials from the start. Get ready for the most beautiful campaign ever.

:confused

I mean, godspeed and all that, but it might be good to have... achievable goals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Rufus on April 29, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 29, 2016, 12:31:09 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on April 29, 2016, 04:16:58 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/cNVdF17.png)

Christie :kobeyuck

Will Wright donated a couple thousand to Giuliani last time. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: octopushover on April 29, 2016, 12:52:07 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on April 29, 2016, 04:16:58 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/cNVdF17.png)

makes sense

they share the same focus on destroying the community that made them what they are

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: brob on April 29, 2016, 12:58:11 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/eTdOUWz.jpg)

this is going to be my favorite shitposting angle in the election proper :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 01:04:19 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChKMIdbUgAA3Zsy.jpg)

Quote

"We've been hearing from supporters all over the country that they'd like a “woman card” of their very own — to display proudly on a fridge or pull out of their wallet every time they run into someone who says women who support Hillary must not be using our brains (that's a real thing Donald Trump’s senior adviser said yesterday)," Clinton's Women's Outreach Director Mini Timmaraju said in the email.

The card also bears the tagline "Deal me in," in reference to Clinton's response to Trump's attack Tuesday: "If fighting for women's health care and paid family leave and equal play is playing the 'woman card,' then deal me in!"

Though the cards don't hold any actual retail value, Timmaraju said, "Every dollar will make sure Donald Trump never becomes president."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: tiesto on April 29, 2016, 01:13:19 PM

Quote from: Rufus on April 29, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on April 29, 2016, 12:31:09 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on April 29, 2016, 04:16:58 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/cNVdF17.png)

Christie :kobeyuck

Will Wright donated a couple thousand to Giuliani last time. :doge

Not too surprising considering using Giuliani style policy works really well in Sim City.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2016, 01:27:26 PM

Mandark trigger warning

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/opinion/if-not-trump-what.html

Quote

I don’t know what the new national story will be, but maybe it will be less individualistic and more redemptive. Maybe it will be a story about communities that heal those who suffer from addiction, broken homes, trauma, prison and loss, a story of those who triumph over the isolation, social instability and dislocation so common today.

We’ll probably need a new definition of masculinity, too. There are many groups in society who have lost an empire but not yet found a role. Men are the largest of those groups. The traditional masculine ideal isn’t working anymore. It leads to high dropout rates, high incarceration rates, low labor force participation rates. This is an economy that rewards emotional connection and verbal expressiveness. Everywhere you see men imprisoned by the old reticent, stoical ideal.

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Steve Contra on April 29, 2016, 01:43:41 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2016, 01:27:26 PM

Mandark trigger warning

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/29/opinion/if-not-trump-what.html

Quote

I don’t know what the new national story will be, but maybe it will be less individualistic and more redemptive. Maybe it will be a story about communities that heal those who suffer from addiction, broken homes, trauma, prison and loss, a story of those who triumph over the isolation, social instability and dislocation so common today.

We’ll probably need a new definition of masculinity, too. There are many groups in society who have lost an empire but not yet found a role. Men are the largest of those groups. The traditional masculine ideal isn’t working anymore. It leads to high dropout rates, high incarceration rates, low labor force participation rates. This is an economy that rewards emotional connection and verbal expressiveness. Everywhere you see men imprisoned by the old reticent, stoical ideal.

:neogaf

Brooks?  You motherfucker

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Human Snorenado on April 29, 2016, 02:01:39 PM

 :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Brehvolution on April 29, 2016, 02:07:41 PM

Is the title of this thread talking about the restaurant or the showers at Hastert's?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on April 29, 2016, 02:23:16 PM

 :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2016, 04:06:14 PM

Boston announces free community college tuition program (http://www.wcvb.com/news/boston-announces-free-community-college-tuition-program/39284672)

Best City doing Bernie's plans without any of the crackpot bank-breakage or massive tax increases. :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Trent Dole on April 29, 2016, 04:21:58 PM

Boston also has a living wage higher than what HC wants to implement. :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2016, 04:38:04 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on April 29, 2016, 04:21:58 PM

Boston also has a living wage higher than what HC wants to implement. :snob

Boston leading the nation once again. (http://www.thebore.com/forum/Smileys/default/patriot.gif)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

For the record, I think HRC's plan of $12 federal is way more flexible. Sure, in San Francisco $15 would be apt, but in Bumfuck, Kansas? No. The point of the Fed minimum is so the states can adjust theirs higher than that in ways that make the most sense for those constituents.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 29, 2016, 04:38:39 PM

Isn't CC just an extension of highschool really?  Basically they are saying will let you waste another 2 years of your life for shit that we ought to have taught 2 years ago but now for free!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Rufus on April 29, 2016, 04:43:29 PM

Doesn't that count towards an undergrad degree? Saves a lot of money.

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Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2016, 04:43:36 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on April 29, 2016, 04:38:39 PM

Isn't CC just an extension of highschool really?  Basically they are saying will let you waste another 2 years of your life for shit that we ought to have taught 2 years ago but now for free!

Associate's degree is better than nothing and most of those credits transfer when you go for your Bachelor's.

So this potentially saves $15-30k+ in tuition. :yeshrug

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 29, 2016, 05:10:15 PM

Yeah, a lot of associate programs are transfer degrees and the whole point is saving you a shit ton of money on two years of your bachelors

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on April 29, 2016, 05:14:25 PM

Associate's degrees can be really good and save you lots of money. And get you a job in between. I graduated HS and got an Associates at the same time. Just wish I had picked a decent one instead of just getting one in general studies. Granted, it ensured I didn't have to take electives when I transferred to a university but still I wish I had gotten an accounting Associates.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 11:06:44 PM

Truth teller unbiased experts telling truth about Hillary's guaranteed defeat in the election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQWTYRU9H0

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CENK UYGUR: If you've got a dozen people investigating you, odds are they will indict you. I guess the last possible scenario is they indict her, and they say they are charging you with all these criminal actions, but then the pundits tell you it is no big deal...

Let's say there were a dozen FBI investigators looking into Bernie Sanders and they were going to indict him any day now...

If it was Donald Trump -- I mean look... They would have blown up over it...

But with Hillary Clinton: Shhh, not relevant, not relevant, not relevant. The establishment likes her.

Let me just give you two scenarios where it could be enormously relevant. If [FBI director] James Comey is actually a partisan Republican, and that's a big if, I don't know. And he wanted to do maximum damage to the Democrats. You know when he would announce the indictment? The last day of the Democratic convention.

Oof. So instead of getting the bounce from the convention... You would get hit with an indictment... Gigantically bad news taking the wind out of you. At this point, if you think that is not possible, either you are grossly ignorant, or you are lying...

Another terrible timing scenario: Right before the California primary why would that be damaging?

Did you know 80% of the votes in California are actually mail-in ballots?

So mail-in ballots Hillary does much better. Bernie Sanders does better the day of the election. So you indict her a couple of days before the Democratic primary in California. You'd have utter chaos. You'd have Bernie Sanders win enough delegates to make a case to the superdelegates that they should back him, but not enough to win outright where she is not the nominee. That would screw up the whole Democratic primary system, it would create chaos within the superdelegates and the convention, possibly blow up the convention as well. And then you have a wounded and hobbling Hillary Clinton coming out of the convention in disastrous shape. But the pundits say hear no evil...

I'm talking about the political reality of what will happen once these charges come in... The reality is there's a dozen FBI agents hot on her trail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8BjXKykozg

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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 29, 2016, 11:11:13 PM

I generally like TYT, but they're been drinking way too much of the Bernie Juice lately.

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Post by: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 11:27:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfZsG6G2jLs

*gasp*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ssnt9NU1SN8  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ_ZHVSkJVM

*gasp* *gasp* *gasp* *gasp*

I'm glad I voted for Presumptive Democratic Nominee Rocky instead of throwing my vote away on The Herald of the Corporatocracy Galactus.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 04:27:04 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIKhr158cD4

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Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 04:29:03 AM

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Javier Virgen13 hours ago
I kinda wish they all started to makeout after they all got covered in  cheetos.

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pizzarelaguy5 hours ago
You sure showed Trump who's the stupid one

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Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 09:15:10 AM

stolen from poligaf: https://medium.com/@GRForSanders/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention-fe7328739c4

(https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*6CGCWt94C0VGl_lWvuWIsQ.png)

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Bernie Sanders has vowed to fight relentlessly for the 2016 Democratic Party’s nomination up to the convention and, despite the apparent consensus of the media’s talking heads that the campaign is a lost cause, he has held fast to his claim that there is a “narrow path to victory.” I am reminded of Galadriel’s ominous words of advice, in the Fellowship of the Ring: The quest stands upon the edge of a knife — stray but a little, and it will fail…

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she needs an additional 486 delegates to reach the magic number of 2,383, right? Let’s find out how many delegates Clinton would have to win in the remaining states (besides California, of course).

Of the 541 delegates left, once the 475 CA delegates have been subtracted from the 1,016 delegate total, Clinton is going to have to win almost 90% of the remaining non-California delegates!

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Wow! Even if Clinton actually wins California with 60% to Sanders with 40%, she will still have to secure about 80% of the remaining vote! Again, this certainly doesn’t seem likely in Oregon, West Virginia, or Indiana, which means the actual percentage would climb each time she failed to take 80% of a state! Now, are you starting to see why I am saying that Clinton will not be securing the nomination before the convention?

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First off, let’s acknowledge that the math seems to prohibit both candidates from securing the nomination before the convention — so what does this mean? This means that, since Sanders will not give up before the convention, there will almost certainly be a “contested convention.”

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 the new magic number, for Sanders anyway, is actually 64.4% of the remaining states, which would mean winning 655 of the 1,016 remaining delegates, pushing his total up to 2,026, the bare majority of delegates, leaving Clinton one delegate behind at 2,025.

Now, does Sanders winning 64.4% sound too far-fetched? Not particularly, especially when we consider his advantages on the Left Coast, in California’s 475 delegate semi-open primary. An uphill climb, though? Certainly. Remember, though: it is all but certain that Clinton will not secure the nomination, while Sanders supporters are going to be pouring into Philadelphia for the convention by the tens of thousands. Even if Bernie fell short by a few points, we’re still essentially looking at a tie. And that’s when all hell is going to break loose.

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Things are going to become very interesting when they look back at the many states that are still crying out for a re-vote, states fraught with “voting irregularities,” polling station closures, and voter roll purges — all states which Clinton won and all states which so far have not received justice.

Things are going to become very interesting when the DNC and the super-delegates realize that Sanders, unlike the Wallstreet-backed Clinton-Machine, will bring in not only millions of independent voters that were unable to vote in the primaries, but even defecting Republican votes, sealing the GOP’s utter defeat in November.

Things are going to become very interesting when, while they are thinking about all of these things, they are doing so to the earth-shaking, thunderous chants of “Sanders! Sanders!” from his tens of thousands of supporters outside, who have time-and-again proven their ability to rally by the tens of thousands — do you think that we won’t do the same at the convention?

And finally, things are going to become very, very interesting when the super-delegates and the DNC are forced to choose, publicly, whether to hand the nomination to Clinton and watch the millions of independents walk away, along with millions of former-democrat Sanders-supporters, basically handing the general election to the neo-fascists Trump or Cruz — or, to hand it to Sanders, a leader who will have the support, not only of the entire Democratic Party, but of millions of Independents, Green Party voters, and — yes, indeed — even Republicans defecting from the extremist GOP.

:rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2016, 11:10:27 AM

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I am reminded of Galadriel’s ominous words of advice, in the Fellowship of the Ring: The quest stands upon the edge of a knife — stray but a little, and it will fail…

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2016, 11:22:44 AM

MJ posted what is probably the most on-the-point take down of Bernie so far:

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With the Democratic primary basically over, I want to step back a bit and explain the big-picture reason that I never warmed up to Bernie Sanders. It's not so much that he's all that far to my left, nor that he's been pretty skimpy on details about all the programs he proposes. That's hardly uncommon in presidential campaigns. Rather, it's the fact that I think he's basically running a con, and one with the potential to cause distinct damage to the progressive cause.

I mean this as a provocation—but I also mean it. So if you're provoked, mission accomplished! Here's my argument.

Bernie's explanation for everything he wants to do—his theory of change, or theory of governing, take your pick—is that we need a revolution in this country. The rich own everything. Income inequality is skyrocketing. The middle class is stagnating. The finance industry is out of control. Washington, DC, is paralyzed.

But as Bill Scher points out, the revolution that Bernie called for didn't show up. In fact, it's worse than that: we were never going to get a revolution, and Bernie knew it all along. Think about it: has there ever been an economic revolution in the United States? Stretching things a bit, I can think of two:

The destruction of the Southern slave economy following the Civil War
The New Deal

The first of these was 50+ years in the making and, in the end, required a bloody, four-year war to bring to a conclusion. The second happened only after an utter collapse of the economy, with banks closing, businesses failing, wages plummeting, and unemployment at 25 percent. That's what it takes to bring about a revolution, or even something close to it.

We're light years away from that right now. Unemployment? Yes, 2 or 3 percent of the working-age population has dropped out of the labor force, but the headline unemployment rate is 5 percent. Wages? They've been stagnant since the turn of the century, but the average family still makes close to $70,000, more than nearly any other country in the world. Health care? Our system is a mess, but 90 percent of the country has insurance coverage. Dissatisfaction with the system? According to Gallup, even among those with incomes under $30,000, only 27 percent are dissatisfied with their personal lives.

Like it or not, you don't build a revolution on top of an economy like this. Period. If you want to get anything done, you're going to have to do it the old-fashioned way: through the slow boring of hard wood.

Why do I care about this? Because if you want to make a difference in this country, you need to be prepared for a very long, very frustrating slog. You have to buy off interest groups, compromise your ideals, and settle for half loaves—all the things that Bernie disdains as part of the corrupt mainstream establishment. In place of this he promises his followers we can get everything we want via a revolution that's never going to happen. And when that revolution inevitably fails, where do all his impressionable young followers go? Do they join up with the corrupt establishment and commit themselves to the slow boring of hard wood? Or do they give up?

I don't know, but my fear is that some of them will do the latter. And that's a damn shame. They've been conned by a guy who should know better, the same way dieters get conned by late-night miracle diets. When it doesn't work, they throw in the towel.

Most likely Bernie will have no lasting effect, and his followers will scatter in the usual way, with some doubling down on practical politics and others leaving for different callings. But there's a decent chance that Bernie's failure will result in a net increase of cynicism about politics, and that's the last thing we need. I hate the idea that we might lose even a few talented future leaders because they fell for Bernie's spiel and then got discouraged when it didn't pan out.

I'll grant that my pitch—and Hillary's and Barack Obama's—isn't very inspiring. Work your fingers to the bone for 30 years and you might get one or two significant pieces of legislation passed. Obviously you need inspiration too. But if you don't want your followers to give up in disgust, your inspiration needs to be in the service of goals that are at least attainable. By offering a chimera instead, Bernie has done the progressive movement no favors.

tl;dr version:

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we were never going to get a revolution, and Bernie knew it all along.

Absent a revolution, which, likely to happen or not, hasn't materialized and definitely won't in the next few months, Bernie Sanders has virtually no chance of winning the nomination and even less chance of actually enacting any of the legislation that he's promised. He was even asked earlier about campaigning for down-ballot Dems and his answer was basically "Maybe. We'll see." Even his most ardent supporters are saying, at this point, that his best chance for success are persuading a small handful of overly-influential people [i.e. the superdelegates] that he's more electable than Hillary or that Hillary's campaign becomes too toxic because of an FBI indictment and he's the only viable solution. Neither of which has anything to do with actual votes by the people. That's not a path to victory that's going to lead to anything meaningful post-election.

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Post by: Tasty on April 30, 2016, 01:21:31 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 29, 2016, 11:06:44 PM

Truth teller unbiased experts telling truth about Hillary's guaranteed defeat in the election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHQWTYRU9H0

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CENK UYGUR: If you've got a dozen people investigating you, odds are they will indict you. I guess the last possible scenario is they indict her, and they say they are charging you with all these criminal actions, but then the pundits tell you it is no big deal...

Let's say there were a dozen FBI investigators looking into Bernie Sanders and they were going to indict him any day now...

If it was Donald Trump -- I mean look... They would have blown up over it...

But with Hillary Clinton: Shhh, not relevant, not relevant, not relevant. The establishment likes her.

Let me just give you two scenarios where it could be enormously relevant. If [FBI director] James Comey is actually a partisan Republican, and that's a big if, I don't know. And he wanted to do maximum damage to the Democrats. You know when he would announce the indictment? The last day of the Democratic convention.

Oof. So instead of getting the bounce from the convention... You would get hit with an indictment... Gigantically bad news taking the wind out of you. At this point, if you think that is not possible, either you are grossly ignorant, or you are lying...

Another terrible timing scenario: Right before the California primary why would that be damaging?

Did you know 80% of the votes in California are actually mail-in ballots?

So mail-in ballots Hillary does much better. Bernie Sanders does better the day of the election. So you indict her a couple of days before the Democratic primary in California. You'd have utter chaos. You'd have Bernie Sanders win enough delegates to make a case to the superdelegates that they should back him, but not enough to win outright where she is not the nominee. That would screw up the whole Democratic primary system, it would create chaos within the superdelegates and the convention, possibly blow up the convention as well. And then you have a wounded and hobbling Hillary Clinton coming out of the convention in disastrous shape. But the pundits say hear no evil...

I'm talking about the political reality of what will happen once these charges come in... The reality is there's a dozen FBI agents hot on her trail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8BjXKykozg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7e6gLht6OQ

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Post by: brawndolicious on April 30, 2016, 02:09:03 PM

There is a remote chance that Clinton gets Nixoned. It's probably going to affect who she picks as VP since Trump will be portraying them as the next Gerald Ford.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2016, 03:27:42 PM

I just don't see it, really. This whole email thing seems, to me at least, to be little more than a push-and-pull between State and the FBI, specifically with how they handle and disseminate potentially sensitive information. So, why this long investigation if there's not really anything criminal there? Well, politics is partially responsible, as usual, where the FBI has to cover all their bases to ensure that their independence from the White House remains relatively unquestioned, but also to say "Hey, State, you did some things/are doing some things that we aren't particularly pleased with, and when you do that you can expect us to bring out the microscopes."

I view it similarly to the GOP making noise about impeaching Obama for this or that. So, why haven't they when they clearly want to? Because there's not really a crime, it's a push-and-pull between two different branches of government, especially in areas where the division of powers isn't clearly laid out. Those are matters for a court to sift through and then make a determination about whether those actions can continue, not a case for impeachment.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on April 30, 2016, 04:15:32 PM

I honestly don't mind the FBI looking into shit like this.  That's their job and its great that it's actually done.  However treating this like see did the crime just because their is an investigation is stupid (though in general I'm more of the opinion where there is smoke their is fire when it comes to politician so this might just be my biases here).  The senate hearings though are nothing but political theater and the GOP has lost any credibility in such things, which is really bad in general. 

I really hate the hypocrisy of being for less encryption and privacy in general (Going by half hearted comments like these http://www.theverge.com/2016/3/7/11176346/hillary-clinton-apple-fbi-data-encryption) and then having her own server.  I also think that doing that was just old-person stupid, which I don't like seeing in a politician, and one who is otherwise pretty smart about stupid shit like this. 

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Post by: Tasty on April 30, 2016, 05:55:17 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 09:15:10 AM

stolen from poligaf: https://medium.com/@GRForSanders/this-is-what-will-happen-at-the-democratic-convention-fe7328739c4

(https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*6CGCWt94C0VGl_lWvuWIsQ.png)

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she needs an additional 486 delegates to reach the magic number of 2,383, right? Let’s find out how many delegates Clinton would have to win in the remaining states (besides California, of course).

Of the 541 delegates left, once the 475 CA delegates have been subtracted from the 1,016 delegate total, Clinton is going to have to win almost 90% of the remaining non-California delegates!

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Wow! Even if Clinton actually wins California with 60% to Sanders with 40%, she will still have to secure about 80% of the remaining vote! Again, this certainly doesn’t seem likely in Oregon, West Virginia, or Indiana, which means the actual percentage would climb each time she failed to take 80% of a state! Now, are you starting to see why I am saying that Clinton will not be securing the nomination before the convention?

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 the new magic number, for Sanders anyway, is actually 64.4% of the remaining states, which would mean winning 655 of the 1,016 remaining delegates, pushing his total up to 2,026, the bare majority of delegates, leaving Clinton one delegate behind at 2,025.

Now, does Sanders winning 64.4% sound too far-fetched? Not particularly, especially when we consider his advantages on the Left Coast, in California’s 475 delegate semi-open primary. An uphill climb, though? Certainly. Remember, though: it is all but certain that Clinton will not secure the nomination, while Sanders supporters are going to be pouring into Philadelphia for the convention by the tens of thousands. Even if Bernie fell short by a few points, we’re still essentially looking at a tie. And that’s when all hell is going to break loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHS-K7OuLAc

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Post by: Tasty on April 30, 2016, 06:47:15 PM

HOLY SHIT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGeMX8RvRbc

:lol :rofl :lol :rofl

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Post by: Atramental on April 30, 2016, 07:06:52 PM

Wow.

The reddit circle jerk part.  :dead

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Post by: Trent Dole on April 30, 2016, 07:38:52 PM

Yeah, he's not winning, but I'm still voting for him in my state's primary. :punch :gun

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Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 08:05:07 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on April 30, 2016, 02:09:03 PM

There is a remote chance that Clinton gets Nixoned. It's probably going to affect who she picks as VP since Trump will be portraying them as the next Gerald Ford.

Even worse, the next Spiro Agnew.

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Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 09:41:47 PM

But if he had that power, and if he was a secret Republican plant to control the Justice Department for GOP ends, and IF he wanted to hurt the Democrats in the election and IF he sent Hillary to jail, THEN clearly the superdelegates should all switch to Bernie just to prevent it before it can happen. Also Bernie polls better in head-to-heads.

"He has the power to wipe out the entire [Democratic Party], and if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty... and we have to destroy [Hillary]." - Bruce Wayne, Batman v Superman

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Post by: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 10:34:05 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuib2Vo3hSo

 :mindblown

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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 30, 2016, 11:34:20 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on April 30, 2016, 09:41:47 PM

But if he had that power, and if he was a secret Republican plant to control the Justice Department for GOP ends, and IF he wanted to hurt the Democrats in the election and IF he sent Hillary to jail, THEN clearly the superdelegates should all switch to Bernie just to prevent it before it can happen. Also Bernie polls better in head-to-heads.

"He has the power to wipe out the entire [Democratic Party], and if we believe there's even a one percent chance that he is our enemy we have to take it as an absolute certainty... and we have to destroy [Hillary]." - Bruce Wayne, Batman v Superman

OMG, spoilers for the Democratic Convention! Some of us are still getting caught up on the debates, asshole.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2016, 12:18:44 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/cOMv5Oz.gif)

YAAAAAAASSSS KING  :preach

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 01, 2016, 12:17:14 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/republican-voters-are-the-ones-rejecting-you-chuck-todd-gets-heated-with-cruz-over-trump/

Ted Cruz just had another meltdown this morning.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 01, 2016, 01:17:57 PM

I don't think I've ever seen Cruz look personable or semi-likable. Even when he interacts with his wife or kids in public it looks awkward as fuck. Obviously I'd prefer Trump being the nominee so he can burn down the GOP brand for a generation but part of me wants Cruz to win just so we can see him awkwardly campaigning everywhere, making people cringe.

He reminds me of the type of vindictive assholes I knew when I played basketball at a baptist private school. Awkward, sexually frustrated, ugly, and obsessed with winning every argument.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2016, 02:42:49 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/AskuUDf.gif)

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Post by: Oblivion on May 01, 2016, 03:40:58 PM

I'd be a hundred times more satisfied at Cruz getting beaten by Hillary than Trump.

But the fear of Cruz somehow actually winning the election keeps me from fully supporting that matchup.

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Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2016, 12:01:46 AM

(http://i.sli.mg/euHfi7.gif)

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 02, 2016, 12:28:40 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on April 30, 2016, 03:27:42 PM

I just don't see it, really. This whole email thing seems, to me at least, to be little more than a push-and-pull between State and the FBI, specifically with how they handle and disseminate potentially sensitive information. So, why this long investigation if there's not really anything criminal there? Well, politics is partially responsible, as usual, where the FBI has to cover all their bases to ensure that their independence from the White House remains relatively unquestioned, but also to say "Hey, State, you did some things/are doing some things that we aren't particularly pleased with, and when you do that you can expect us to bring out the microscopes."

I view it similarly to the GOP making noise about impeaching Obama for this or that. So, why haven't they when they clearly want to? Because there's not really a crime, it's a push-and-pull between two different branches of government, especially in areas where the division of powers isn't clearly laid out. Those are matters for a court to sift through and then make a determination about whether those actions can continue, not a case for impeachment.

I don't think anyone cares or anything really illegal happened. But her running mate can't have a moment when he stutters or can't confidently answer questions when Trump, his veep, or Fiorina (lol) try to grill them in a debate or in the news.

Biden would be a fine choice.

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Post by: Oblivion on May 02, 2016, 12:41:41 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6g6Emv3Oc0

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 02, 2016, 10:31:12 AM

'We can't continue to allow China to rape our country, and that's what we're doing'

:lol jesus

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 02, 2016, 10:39:41 AM

Said the former CEO of HP.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 02, 2016, 10:52:52 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on April 30, 2016, 07:38:52 PM

Yeah, he's not winning, but I'm still voting for him in my state's primary. :punch :gun

And the next day you'll still be broke. This guy is a fucking clown.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 02, 2016, 10:54:49 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2016, 02:42:49 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/AskuUDf.gif)

 :kobeyuck

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2016, 01:24:02 PM

Yup, #itshappening

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/huntsman-donald-trump

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“We've had enough intraparty fighting. Now's the time to stitch together a winning coalition,” Huntsman told Politico. “And it's been clear almost from the beginning that Donald Trump has the ability to assemble a nontraditional bloc of supporters. … The ability to cut across traditional party boundaries — like '80, '92 and 2008 — will be key, and Trump is much better positioned to achieve that.”

AiA ARE YOU OK? CRY UNCONTROLLABLY IF YOU'RE OK.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 02, 2016, 01:50:50 PM

NO LABELS™

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 02, 2016, 02:20:01 PM

They really have no way forward but Trump. Sry try again in 4 yeara

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 02, 2016, 04:00:59 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2016, 01:24:02 PM

Yup, #itshappening

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/huntsman-donald-trump

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“We've had enough intraparty fighting. Now's the time to stitch together a winning coalition,” Huntsman told Politico. “And it's been clear almost from the beginning that Donald Drumpf has the ability to assemble a nontraditional bloc of supporters. … The ability to cut across traditional party boundaries — like '80, '92 and 2008 — will be key, and Drumpf is much better positioned to achieve that.”

AiA ARE YOU OK? CRY UNCONTROLLABLY IF YOU'RE OK.

The candidate the party deserves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2016, 09:22:33 PM

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/727192606589886464

for the first time in my life....I feel bad for Ted Cruz. jeeeesus
:snoop

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 02, 2016, 09:26:47 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/MqqGxXU.png)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHXUA_-7mXY

Ted Cruz's campaign fell apart in just one week.  Amazing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 02, 2016, 09:31:06 PM

Right before he had to win the Indiana primary, too.

Also- why the fuck don't we have a Trump smilie?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on May 02, 2016, 09:41:51 PM

Cruz now has a negative net favorability rating among Republicans.  Sheesh.

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 02, 2016, 09:46:16 PM

Fail at being a viable alternate to a literal fascist brehs.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 02, 2016, 10:16:03 PM

One other thing to note: John Kasich has no events planned on his website or his Eventbrite.  I wonder if he is going to withdraw after tomorrow night.  He was campaigning in California and Oregon but not anymore.

Edit: even people in his own home state want him to drop out: http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/blogs/2016/05/02/poll-ohioans-want-john-kasich-drop-out/83814886/

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Post by: Atramental on May 02, 2016, 10:45:41 PM

Ted is a mess.
*mic hit*
Ted is a waste.
*air horn*

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2016, 01:09:48 AM

Ted is a big fat mistake.

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Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2016, 04:02:32 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 02, 2016, 09:22:33 PM

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/727192606589886464

for the first time in my life....I feel bad for Ted Cruz. jeeeesus
:snoop

I don't.  :aweshum

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 04:04:03 AM

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CARMEL, Ind. — Heidi Cruz knows that her husband, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, is not the Zodiac Killer, no matter what people online say.

Heidi spent Monday morning traveling across Indiana in support of her husband’s presidential campaign. At a cafe in Carmel, Yahoo News asked for her reaction to a series of jokes that Comedy Central host Larry Wilmore made at the White House Correspondents’ dinner on Saturday night, where he repeatedly called her husband “the Zodiac Killer.”

“Well, I’ve been married to him for 15 years, and I know pretty well who he is, so it doesn’t bother me at all. There’s a lot of garbage out there,” Heidi said.

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Yahoo News asked Heidi about his remarks after a pair of supporters she met with marveled at her ability to “deal with” the “smearing and the scorched-earth stuff going on” during this heated GOP primary.

“Well, it’s amazing how a lot of people are swayed by it,” Heidi said. “Part of it is, the news media is 24/7, and they don’t let up.”

Note that she doesn't specifically deny he's the Zodiac killer.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2016, 08:40:21 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/hzcYcqS.jpg)

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 03, 2016, 09:51:05 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 04:04:03 AM

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CARMEL, Ind. — Heidi Cruz knows that her husband, Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas, is not the Zodiac Killer, no matter what people online say.

Heidi spent Monday morning traveling across Indiana in support of her husband’s presidential campaign. At a cafe in Carmel, Yahoo News asked for her reaction to a series of jokes that Comedy Central host Larry Wilmore made at the White House Correspondents’ dinner on Saturday night, where he repeatedly called her husband “the Zodiac Killer.”

“Well, I’ve been married to him for 15 years, and I know pretty well who he is, so it doesn’t bother me at all. There’s a lot of garbage out there,” Heidi said.

Quote

Yahoo News asked Heidi about his remarks after a pair of supporters she met with marveled at her ability to “deal with” the “smearing and the scorched-earth stuff going on” during this heated GOP primary.

“Well, it’s amazing how a lot of people are swayed by it,” Heidi said. “Part of it is, the news media is 24/7, and they don’t let up.”

Note that she doesn't specifically deny he's the Zodiac killer.

(http://i1379.photobucket.com/albums/ah156/CapnLeftHook/Mobile%20Uploads/20051655_2_416_240_zpsxiolxmpy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2016, 11:14:53 AM

Is it really murder if you are a fish monster or just nature?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2016, 12:10:36 PM

Also, Ted Cruz's dad did the JFK assassination.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-rafael-cruz-lee-harvey-oswald

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 03, 2016, 01:11:44 PM

Ted Cruz had another meltdown this morning.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2016, 02:47:23 PM

"Donald Trump is such a narcissist that Barack Obama looks at him and says, 'Dude, what's your problem?' " Cruz said.

(http://i.imgur.com/5FgO6y8.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Brehvolution on May 03, 2016, 04:42:48 PM

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/george-will-is-a-haughty-dipshit-1774449290

(http://i.imgur.com/SkQwl2I.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2016, 04:48:52 PM

Quote

George Will should have been left unemployed and starving ages ago.

A Green Shinobi Joint
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 04:58:04 PM

It's pretty amazing the career George Will has built by cosplaying a smart person.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 03, 2016, 05:10:30 PM

Even more amazing: the careers of Mark Halperin and Bill Kristol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2016, 06:11:01 PM

People are still convinced that the GOP establishment is going to be able to successfully pull off a hail mary at the convention, even if Trump far surpasses the number of delegates he needs to win. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: VomKriege on May 03, 2016, 07:02:26 PM

You say that but just wait for Trump's name to be associated with the FBI inquiry into Clinton's emails.  :hans1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 03, 2016, 07:22:04 PM

Cruz has lost all momentum. Fiorina was a flash in the pan.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2016, 07:35:44 PM

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"If Indiana does not act, this country could well plunge into the abyss. I don't believe that's who we are. We are not a proud, boastful, self-centered, mean-spirited, hateful, bullying nation," Cruz later added.

Okay, dude. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: brawndolicious on May 03, 2016, 07:53:47 PM

Fucking Indiana steals our glory and ends this primary. It also feels like Trump finally defeated somebody I really idolized once. I mean Nate Silver.

Does this mean that if he gets 1237 though then there's no way he can't be the nominee? Like besides Mitt Romney sicking some Illuminati assassins on him or something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2016, 07:54:08 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 03, 2016, 07:22:04 PM

Cruz has lost all momentum. Fiorina was a flash in the pan.

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O14FlUkFioA/UmP1xzaMinI/AAAAAAAAAKY/OUzkKtNg_so/s1600/tumblr_mlz4sbZF8j1rtzj6fo1_500.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 03, 2016, 08:08:50 PM

More like Windiana. LET'S MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2016, 08:33:36 PM

 :drudge :drudge :drudge LYIN' TED DROPS OUT :drudge :drudge :drudge

This also means that Fiorina is officially the first person in history to lose a primary battle TWICE.  :point

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: nachobro on May 03, 2016, 08:41:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/9v9a5e7.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: brob on May 03, 2016, 08:45:48 PM

shout out to kasich coming in second  :letsfukk

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 03, 2016, 08:51:19 PM

Quote from: nachobro on May 03, 2016, 08:41:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/9v9a5e7.png)

:trump plz mods

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Oblivion on May 03, 2016, 08:54:10 PM

https://twitter.com/iamjoonlee/status/727661900989931521

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 03, 2016, 08:59:45 PM

https://twitter.com/Green_Footballs/status/727662413051371520

the gift that keeps on giving

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Kara on May 03, 2016, 09:02:40 PM

Quote from: Kara on July 12, 2015, 04:22:50 AM

No Diablos, but Trump is giving me horrible deja vu of the Arnold running in the recall election variety.

Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so.

:bow Karakandamus :bow2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Kara on May 03, 2016, 09:07:02 PM

BTW Cajole, I'm blocking Nate Pyrite and 538 (out of 6.02 * 10 ^ 23) dot com on the family internet. You'll thank me when you're older.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2016, 09:07:30 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2015, 12:09:26 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 16, 2015, 12:01:33 PM

Won't he drop like a rock once we get in the real political machine though ?

"Drop like a rock" implies that he'll ever actually be at a point high enough to fall from.

:goty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 03, 2016, 09:13:49 PM

Lol won a bunch of money on the margin of error in Indiana. Not gonna lie, thought it was gonna be Hillary but >+4 is a win either way

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 03, 2016, 09:19:31 PM

I thought Cruz was in it til the end. I'm so confused. Apparently running with Fiorina was more terrible than I thought.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on May 03, 2016, 09:20:41 PM

How does Kasich look at the results in Indiana (7 percent), a state which borders his home state, and think he's still "in the race"?

If you can't even make border states competitive, you need to gtfo.

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Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 09:21:15 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 03, 2016, 09:07:02 PM

BTW Cajole, I'm blocking Nate Pyrite and 538 (out of 6.02 * 10 ^ 23) dot com on the family internet. You'll thank me when you're older.

My favorite subplot is how many people have apparently been seething mad at Nate Silver and waiting literally years to say "NOT SO SMART NOW, HUH!?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 09:24:31 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 03, 2016, 09:20:41 PM

How does Kasich look at the results in Indiana (7 percent), a state which borders his home state, and think he's still "in the race"?

From the pictures of him on the trail, his campaign is an elaborate ruse to eat deli meals across the country with other people's money.  Making him the GOP candidate I can relate to the most.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Kara on May 03, 2016, 09:24:49 PM

I've been crusading against baseball atheism for like a decade now on GAF + its descendants. :bolo

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Post by: Kara on May 03, 2016, 09:36:08 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 03, 2016, 09:34:17 PM

Time to make my exit to New Zealand. Bye yall :rejoice

I don't think Geert will let you go to Old Zealand, good choice.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 03, 2016, 09:45:58 PM

I honestly thought that Kasich would drop out tonight.  This is a surprise.

Since Cruz is suspending his campaign, his 565 delegates may be redistributed or become unbound, depending on state party rules.  So Trump could very well go from 1059 delegates currently to well past the 1237 point in the next couple days.

For example, all of the delegates Cruz picked up in the Colorado caucus are now unbound: https://twitter.com/ByJohnFrank/status/727662476322480129

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Syph on May 03, 2016, 09:47:55 PM

Wow what a nightmare
it's actually gonna be Trump and Clinton how fucked is that lol

oh wait reddit says bernie still has a chance
yea and Kasich will win cali lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 03, 2016, 09:52:22 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 09:21:15 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 03, 2016, 09:07:02 PM

BTW Cajole, I'm blocking Nate Pyrite and 538 (out of 6.02 * 10 ^ 23) dot com on the family internet. You'll thank me when you're older.

My favorite subplot is how many people have apparently been seething mad at Nate Silver and waiting literally years to say "NOT SO SMART NOW, HUH!?"

Ah yes, I suppose it doesn't have anything to do with making multiple incorrect forecasts and predictions.  No, it was just years of ruminating and plotting, waiting for the moment to strike...

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Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 10:11:18 PM

Dude, being resentful is your brand on here.  Embrace it.

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Post by: nachobro on May 03, 2016, 10:31:17 PM

What a fucking dunce  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/XapoybV.gif)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2016, 10:35:48 PM

There was also the moment a few days ago where Fiorina fell down right in front of him and he deliberately ignored it. :lol

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 03, 2016, 10:42:37 PM

Also this:

(http://i.sli.mg/euHfi7.gif)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 10:44:13 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 04:58:04 PM

It's pretty amazing the career George Will has built by cosplaying a smart person.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041502861.html

Quote

On any American street, or in any airport or mall, you see the same sad tableau: A 10-year-old boy is walking with his father, whose development was evidently arrested when he was that age, judging by his clothes. Father and son are dressed identically -- running shoes, T-shirts. And jeans, always jeans. If mother is there, she, too, is draped in denim.

Quote

This is not complicated. For men, sartorial good taste can be reduced to one rule: If Fred Astaire would not have worn it, don't wear it. For women, substitute Grace Kelly.

Edmund Burke -- what he would have thought of the denimization of America can be inferred from his lament that the French Revolution assaulted "the decent drapery of life"; it is a straight line from the fall of the Bastille to the rise of denim -- said: "To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely." Ours would be much more so if supposed grown-ups would heed St. Paul's first letter to the Corinthians, and St. Barack's inaugural sermon to the Americans, by putting away childish things, starting with denim.

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 03, 2016, 05:10:30 PM

Even more amazing: the careers of Mark Halperin and Bill Kristol.

http://billkristoltheory.blogspot.com/
http://www.thewire.com/politics/2011/06/giuliani-bill-kristol-and-bad-predictions-timeline/38655/
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/01/bill-kristol-urges-the-republican-party-to-dump-ron-paul/251619/
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/bill-kristol-declares-peak-trump-again.html

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Like the time in 2006 when he predicted on Fox News that Barack Obama wouldn’t win a single primary against Hillary Clinton. Or when he predicted that Obama would appoint then-Michigan Gov. Jennifer Granholm to the Supreme Court. Or when he said repeatedly in October that Vice President Biden was about to jump into the 2016 presidential race. Or when he predicted a victory by Marco Rubio in New Hampshire earlier this month.

Or that time he said in the Weekly Standard that Rudy Giuliani would run in 2012. Or that time on Fox when he said convicted Sen. Ted Stevens would be re-elected. Or when he said in 1993 that a march on Washington that year would be “the high-water mark” for the gay and lesbian rights movement

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As an advocate of the Bush administration’s decision to invade Iraq, he said, among other things, that the war “could have terrifically good effects throughout the Middle East”; that Saddam Hussein was “past that finish line” in developing nuclear weapons; that “if we free the people of Iraq we will be respected in the Arab world.” He also said, “Very few wars in American history were prepared better or more thoroughly than this one by this president.” He predicted on C-SPAN that it would be a “two-month war, not an eight-year war.”

When Bill Maher mentioned to Kristol on his HBO program in 2014 that Kristol had made “some bad predictions” about the war, Kristol neither explained nor apologized. “I certainly did,” he said.

“With Kristol what I love are not so much the big, grand predictions that are always wrong, but the smaller ones that really demonstrate how poor his actual grasp of politics is,” says Alex Pareene, the editor of Gawker, one of Kristol’s regular tormentors. “He is sort of ideologically motivated to make certain ridiculous claims — Iraq will be a huge success, Romney will win — and even his ‘peak Trump’ predictions are based on the fact that he can’t abide the ongoing rejection of his entire ethos by Republican voters. But it’s when he makes claims that are just wrong but not motivated by the advancement of his worldview . . . that we see just how bad he is at his ostensible job.”

Kristol says he sometimes sees the pushback his predictions draw on Twitter or on the Internet. But usually he doesn’t. “I don’t look at the [Twitter] notifications,” he says. “I don’t get Google alerts on it, so I’m a little oblivious.”

Quote

January 19, 1998:
...abortion is likely to emerge as the central issue in the presidential campaign of 2000. Or, more precisely, the status of Roe v. Wade is likely to emerge as the central issue.

November 6, 1995:
Lamar Alexander. Bill Clinton. Bob Dole. Newt Gingrich. Phil Gramm. Colin Powell. One of these six will almost certainly be our next president. Which will it be? Not, I think, Clinton... Clinton is weak and untrustworthy at a time when Americans crave strength and honesty.

September 8, 1995:
Suddenly, Bob Dole's nomination no longer seems inevitable. Having won less than a quarter of the vote in the Iowa straw poll, he now trails Bill Clinton in national surveys. Focus groups suggest that the age issue is beginning to bite, and the return of a campaign contribution to a group of gay Republicans indicates a touch of panic. Maybe the Dole campaign will shake off these troubles and cruise to victory. But maybe not... If I had to bet today on one person for the Republican presidential nomination, I'd put my money on Colin Powell.

the king :rejoice

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 03, 2016, 10:52:30 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2009/09/anecdote-of-the-day/196337/

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"I remember back in the late 1990s, when Ira Katznelson, an eminent political scientist at Columbia, came to deliver a guest lecture. Prof. Katznelson described a lunch he had with Irving Kristol during the first Bush administration.

The talk turned to William Kristol, then Dan Quayle's chief of staff, and how he got his start in politics.

Irving recalled how he talked to his friend Harvey Mansfield at Harvard, who secured William a place there as both an undergrad and graduate student; how he talked to Pat Moynihan, then Nixon's domestic policy adviser, and got William an internship at the White House; how he talked to friends at the RNC [Republican National Committee] and secured a job for William after he got his Harvard Ph.D.; and how he arranged with still more friends for William to teach at Penn and the Kennedy School of Government.

"With that, Prof. Katznelson recalled, he then asked Irving what he thought of affirmative action. 'I oppose it,' Irving replied. 'It subverts meritocracy.' "

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 11:01:45 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 03, 2016, 02:47:23 PM

"Donald Trump is such a narcissist that Barack Obama looks at him and says, 'Dude, what's your problem?' " Cruz said.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2016, 07:35:44 PM

Quote

"If Indiana does not act, this country could well plunge into the abyss. I don't believe that's who we are. We are not a proud, boastful, self-centered, mean-spirited, hateful, bullying nation," Cruz later added.

Okay, dude. :neogaf

the manners and grace that should lubricate the nation’s civic life

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 11:11:32 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on May 03, 2016, 09:20:41 PM

How does Kasich look at the results in Indiana (7 percent), a state which borders his home state, and think he's still "in the race"?

If you can't even make border states competitive, you need to gtfo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuib2Vo3hSo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 03, 2016, 11:12:56 PM

Just to secure my position as being resentful of Nate Silver, here's this:

(http://i.imgur.com/GHr2LIe.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 11:18:19 PM

one on the articles on there twice isn't even by nate :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 11:20:39 PM

from the nickelback article (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/donald-trump-is-the-nickelback-of-gop-candidates/):
(https://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/silver-feature-trumpnew-table.png?w=575)
PD there's still hope! still hope!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Kara on May 03, 2016, 11:37:33 PM

I don't actually hate ol' Nate Manganese (he was quite accurate in 2012 iirc), but I think he's a convenient embodiment of how truly disconnected the professional class is from real life America (and history, I guess).

Also he probably thinks bunting is never the correct decision for a batter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Trent Dole on May 03, 2016, 11:39:49 PM

So it's Drumpf vs. Hitlery then. :gloomy

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Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 11:43:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 03, 2016, 10:44:13 PM

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/04/15/AR2009041502861.html

That's my favorite Will column, or at least the one that's Peak George Will.

Acting like he's the last voice of Fred Astaire's generation, and not the same age as Keith Richards.  Sheesh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 11:44:47 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 03, 2016, 11:37:33 PM

I don't actually hate ol' Nate Manganese (he was quite accurate in 2012 iirc), but I think he's a convenient embodiment of how truly disconnected the professional class is from real life America (and history, I guess).

Please elaborate.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2016, 11:45:42 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 03, 2016, 09:34:17 PM

Time to make my exit to New Zealand. Bye yall :rejoice

why not Canada?  :(

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Post by: Atramental on May 03, 2016, 11:55:55 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on May 03, 2016, 11:39:49 PM

So it's Drumpf vs. Hitlery then. :gloomy

(http://i.imgur.com/jFyy4FL.jpg)

So what kind of future dystopia do you have a hankering for?

Blade Runner or Mad Max?  :doge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 03, 2016, 11:59:06 PM

Bladerunner, easy

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Post by: Purrp Skirrp on May 04, 2016, 12:03:20 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 03, 2016, 09:07:30 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2015, 12:09:26 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on June 16, 2015, 12:01:33 PM

Won't he drop like a rock once we get in the real political machine though ?

"Drop like a rock" implies that he'll ever actually be at a point high enough to fall from.

:goty

(http://i.imgur.com/BE56Qcv.png)

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Post by: Atramental on May 04, 2016, 12:05:19 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 03, 2016, 11:59:06 PM

Bladerunner, easy

Yep. Count me in on Blade Runner as well.  :doge

(http://i.imgur.com/RNSYVZw.jpg)

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Post by: thisismyusername on May 04, 2016, 12:07:16 AM

Quote from: Pallando on May 03, 2016, 11:55:55 PM

Blade Runner or Mad Max?  :doge

Have they invented Narcotic spray paint yet? Because I could go for being Kamikrazy.

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Post by: thisismyusername on May 04, 2016, 12:11:02 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 03, 2016, 08:33:36 PM

:drudge :drudge :drudge LYIN' TED DROPS OUT :drudge :drudge :drudge

Best thing to come out of this: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4hs1qj/megathread_ted_cruz_suspends_presidential_campaign/d2rtuo1

(http://i.imgur.com/xRvFS3J.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 12:12:47 AM

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Denim is the infantile uniform of a nation in which entertainment frequently features childlike adults ("Seinfeld," "Two and a Half Men") and cartoons for adults ("King of the Hill"). Seventy-five percent of American "gamers" -- people who play video games -- are older than 18 and nevertheless are allowed to vote. In their undifferentiated dress, children and their childish parents become undifferentiated audiences for juvenilized movies (the six -- so far -- "Batman" adventures and "Indiana Jones and the Credit-Default Swaps," coming soon to a cineplex near you). Denim is the clerical vestment for the priesthood of all believers in democracy's catechism of leveling -- thou shalt not dress better than society's most slovenly. To do so would be to commit the sin of lookism -- of believing that appearance matters. That heresy leads to denying the universal appropriateness of everything, and then to the elitist assertion that there is good and bad taste.

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 04, 2016, 12:28:21 AM

Quote from: Pallando on May 03, 2016, 11:55:55 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on May 03, 2016, 11:39:49 PM

So it's Drumpf vs. Hitlery then. :gloomy

(http://i.imgur.com/jFyy4FL.jpg)

So what kind of future dystopia do you have a hankering for?

Blade Runner or Mad Max?  :doge

omfg :dead

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2016, 12:30:49 AM

If Donald Trump is the Nickleback of GOP candidates, is Indiana his How You Remind Me?

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 04, 2016, 12:49:34 AM

Guys, Todd Starnes' twitter feed is a thing of glory right now.

https://twitter.com/toddstarnes/status/727659072242241537

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2016, 01:06:25 AM

Let us take a moment of silence to remember the DEEP BENCH™.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/28/joseph-curl-republicans-have-deep-bench-for-2016-d/

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Bill Kristol, the editor of the Weekly Standard, counts some 26 potential candidates: “John Bolton, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Chris Christie, Ted Cruz, Carly Fiorina, Lindsey Graham, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindal, John Kasich, Pete King, Mike Pence, Rick Perry, Mitt Romney, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Rick Santorum, Joe Scarborough, Scott Walker, and Allen West … Dick Cheney, Tom Cotton, Mitch Daniels, Joni Ernst, Newt Gingrich, and Rudy Giuliani.”

“Each of you would be a better president than Hillary Clinton. You would deserve the thanks of man and woman if you beat her. And if your name is not on this list, don’t feel slighted. Rather, feel free to volunteer you’re also more ready than Hillary. If you think you’re the right person go for it.”

I'm glad the right person has volunteered to go for it. :lawd

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 01:08:20 AM

NRO's twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/NRO/lists/nr-primary-tweets

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Byron Tau ‏@ByronTau  4h4 hours ago
Cruz volunteer just told me "We just lost the constitution because of the media — because people like you."

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 01:10:25 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/434911/donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton-need-third-party-challenger

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America needs a third party alternative, and it needs one quickly. As I tweeted earlier tonight, Americans who constantly complain about corrupt and politicians have voted by the millions to put two of the most dishonest candidates in America front and center in the general election. Throughout this election season, we’ve talked about various “lanes” to the nomination. There was the so-called establishment lane, the conservative lane, and the populist lane. Why don’t we create a new lane? Let’s call it the integrity lane, and it’s the lane for people who refuse to support corruption – who refuse to waste or destroy their moral capital by arguing endlessly over the “lesser of two evils.” Why not reject evil entirely?

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Already we’re seeing formerly stalwart Trump opponents fall into line and kiss Trump’s ring. It’s a disgraceful sight, and most of these men and women will one day feel shame for their choice.  The conservative movement will live on, but it will be healthier in both the short and long term if its core voters can rally around a banner this November. Who will step forward? Will anyone?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 01:11:37 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/434906/pre-planning-my-i-told-you-so

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Remember, You Asked for This
by KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON   May 3, 2016 10:20 PM @KEVINNR
I want to leave a note here, because I expect to have many occasions to link back to it in the next several months.

Americans and Republicans, remember: You asked for this. Given the choice between a dozen solid conservatives and one Clinton-supporting con artist and game-show host, you chose the con artist. You chose him freely. Nobody made you do it.

I will be reminding you all of that, from time to time.

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Post by: Kara on May 04, 2016, 01:58:38 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 03, 2016, 11:44:47 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 03, 2016, 11:37:33 PM

I don't actually hate ol' Nate Manganese (he was quite accurate in 2012 iirc), but I think he's a convenient embodiment of how truly disconnected the professional class is from real life America (and history, I guess).

Please elaborate.

Why do I suddenly feel like Mitt in a presidential debate.

Sorry to be terse, but by that I meant things like:

-The other side of income inequality. The discussion on this topic tends to focus on how much JOB TITLE makes contra their staff, not how little people are actually expected to live on, and the avenues they turn to to survive those realities. (From relying on scum like check cashers to cheating on taxes and getting in hot water with the IRS.) People don't like working hard to barely squeeze by, that makes them angry, and people wracked by emotion don't make logical decisions. :Spock:

-There is a world that doesn't show up in consensus reality. From off balance sheet accounting, to informal dispute resolution, to child abuse (big ups to the GOP and the fourth estate for saddling us with a child predator as Speaker of the House), there are things that exist but aren't officially recorded. I realize that someone like Nate would find this topic anathema, but when people aren't on the record they surprisingly act and believe things contrary to what goes on the record. (In December I believe studies showed that people were more inclined to show support for Trump in anonymous polling, especially college educated voters.)

-People who say racist, sexist, or otherwise bigoted shit can in actual fact be racist, sexist, or otherwise bigoted and want a government that implements those values. (The party of small government is saying who can and can't use bathrooms, as an example.) I am in no way surprised that Trump was dominating in California polling, our disenfranchised racist minority has been absolved of having to even pretend and use coded language for quite awhile now.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 02:31:33 AM

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Meghan McCain ✔ ‎@MeghanMcCain
I guess when I said in 2012 that my party was going to evolve or it was going to die - it was easier to choose death.
7:34 PM - 3 May 2016

But what does Bristol Palin have to say about it?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 03:12:31 AM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-republican-voters-decided-on-trump/

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For a candidate like Trump to win nomination, it means that several things have gone wrong — both for the Republican Party and in the assumptions we made about how party nominations work.

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If you’d told me a year ago that Trump would be the nominee, I’d have thought you were nuts. Don’t just take my word for it: Read what I wrote about Trump in July or August or even in November. Those pieces variously treated Trump’s nomination as being somewhere between improbable and extremely unlikely. You can also read pieces from October, December or January that were less skeptical of Trump’s chances and show how our opinion of him evolved over time. Still, other than being early skeptics of Jeb Bush, we basically got the Republican race wrong.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 04, 2016, 04:07:33 AM

Quote from: Dufus on May 04, 2016, 03:46:36 AM

meghan mccain :noah

I keep waiting for her heel turn to the dems. At this rate it'll probably only happen after her dad croaks, but it will happen.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 04:26:17 AM

Doesn't a heel turn imply people like and root for her in the first place?

And she already did the Kerry supporter who "saw the light" when her dad became the nominee thing.

What does she have other than her dad's last name to get her deals with FOX News and Clear Channel?

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"I didn't even take econ in college. I don't completely understand it so I'd hate to make a comment one way or the other," said McCain, who worked on her dad's campaign and has publicly spoken out against Democratic competitors on her blog, www.mccainblogette.com. "I keep reading and I just don't understand it."

The self-proclaimed lack of understanding didn't stop the 24-year-old McCain from slamming President Obama's omnibus spending bill on "Fox and Friends" Thursday morning -- she railed against the package.

"I think it's so disappointing, and it's scary," McCain said.

She also spoke out against house Democrats' rumored supplementary bill, calling it "the second stimulus package Nancy Pelosi's talking about that I think doesn't make sense."

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Speaking of the election, you've written that you nearly overdosed on Xanax on election day 2008. What happened?

The day before election day, someone had given a friend an envelope of Xanax that was for emergency use only, and I was having a total panic attack. I was really on bad terms with a lot of my dad's staff and advisers. I was sort of the rebel wild child, and they thought of me as a loose cannon. She was supposed to give me one Xanax, but none of us had ever taken prescription medication before, and she gave me the equivalent of four or five. I was completely passed out for 24 hours.

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She described her aims in this way: "All I am trying to be is a young, cool Republican woman for other Republican women."

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Following the April 2009 party switch by Senator Arlen Specter from Republican to Democratic, conservative commentator Rush Limbaugh suggested that many Republicans wished both John McCain and Meghan McCain would leave too. Meghan McCain's tweet in response was, "RED TIL I'M DEAD BABY!!! I love the republican party enough to give it constructive criticism, I love my party and sure as hell not leavin!"

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Leon H. Wolf wrote "It is impossible to read Dirty, Sexy Politics and come away with the impression that you have read anything other than the completely unedited ramblings of an idiot."

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Post by: chronovore on May 04, 2016, 04:40:36 AM

http://reverbpress.com/news/trumps-america-woman-who-painted-naked-trump-beaten-by-his-goons/

Fucking disgusting goons. Immortan Donald's mob-ruled wasteland future grows nearer by the day.

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Post by: chronovore on May 04, 2016, 04:50:11 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 03, 2016, 11:59:06 PM

Bladerunner, easy

Typical skin-job response.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 04, 2016, 06:02:48 AM

Every day at school to open with the pledge of allegiance and the pledge of the President having massive hands tots for real.  :american

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2016, 09:53:50 AM

Cruz is out and Kara is back.

America is great again! :rejoice

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Post by: Tasty on May 04, 2016, 10:56:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/AQXQ8b6.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/AEW7iT5.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/83CHzBd.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.gif)

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Post by: james on May 04, 2016, 11:13:48 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 03, 2016, 09:19:31 PM

I thought Cruz was in it til the end. I'm so confused. Apparently running with Fiorina was more terrible than I thought.

What people dont understand is that the election is not about policy. It is not about taxes, or international relations, or social issues.

Its about the individual.

When people attack Obama, they dont really attack his policies. They attack the person.

He leads from behind
Hes spineless
Hes compromisor in chief
He's a loser

Trump has been leading from day 1 because of his personality.

It's all about the image. He's a winner. He wins.

Note every time his rival collapsed is because they appeared weak.

Rubio started acting like Trump and his numbers fell off a cliff because it as desperate and weak.

Like a loser.

Cruz fell off a cliff when he started acting desperate. The deal with Kasich. The Fiorina hail marry.

Weak. Like a loser.

As the rivals collapsed, Kasich went nowhere. Why? Because hes been a loser the entire race.

I said this back in August and I was right.

This country doesnt give a shit about policy or politics. Its a popularity contest. It's American idol. Skill doesnt matter, looks and personality do.

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Post by: Tasty on May 04, 2016, 11:16:06 AM

https://politicalwire.com/2016/05/04/flashback-of-the-day-27/

:dead

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2016, 11:40:36 AM

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He leads from behind

I always hated this sentence. Oh, you mean like a general in the military?  :ohyou

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Post by: Tasty on May 04, 2016, 12:00:35 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/8UIt2Yi.jpg)

Welp.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 12:03:42 PM

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John Kasich is dropping his presidential bid, according to a senior campaign adviser, one day after Donald Trump became the presumptive nominee and Ted Cruz bowed out of the race.

The Ohio governor had long ago been mathematically eliminated from clinching the GOP nomination outright but had hoped to emerge as a consensus candidate at a contested convention.

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Post by: Tasty on May 04, 2016, 12:05:27 PM

I really wanted to see a contested convention because it would have been an absolute death blow to the GOP's general election chances.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 12:21:38 PM

Even Hillary supporters don't want the next Democratic nominee to drop out!
(http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_18/1520406/what_should_sanders_do_about_his_campaign_for_president-_chartbuilder_261683a15a58537d73315367cdccdd50.nbcnews-ux-600-480.png)
(http://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2016_18/1520416/what_should_sanders_do_about_his_campaign_for_president-_clinton_voters_sanders_voters_chartbuilder_2_28a478cecc8e8650727447d3613b3f10.nbcnews-ux-600-480.png)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 12:24:15 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/04/opinion/campaign-stops/the-defeat-of-true-conservatism.html?_r=0

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When Donald Trump knocked first Jeb Bush and then Marco Rubio out of the Republican primary campaign, he defeated not only the candidates themselves but their common theory of what the G.O.P. should be — the idea that the party could essentially recreate George W. Bush’s political program with slightly different domestic policy ideas and recreate Bush’s political majority as well.

Now, after knocking Ted Cruz out of the race with a sweeping win in Indiana, Trump has beaten a second theory of where the G.O.P. needs to go from here: a theory you might call True Conservatism.

True Conservatism likes to portray itself as part of an unbroken tradition running back through Ronald Reagan to Barry Goldwater and the Founding Fathers. It has roots in that past, but it’s also a much more recent phenomenon, conceived in the same spirit as Bushism 2.0 but with the opposite intent.

If Bushism 2.0 looked at George W. Bush’s peaks — his post-Sept. 11 popularity, his 2004 majority — and saw a model worth recovering, True Conservatism looked at his administration’s collapse and argued that it proved that he had been far too liberal, and that all his “compassionate conservative” heresies had led the Republican Party into a ditch.

Thus True Conservatism’s determination to avoid both anything that savored of big government and anything that smacked of compromise. Where Bush had been softhearted, True Conservatism would be sternly Ayn Randian; where Bush had been free-spending, True Conservatism would be austere; where Bush had taken working-class Americans off the tax rolls, True Conservatism would put them back on — for their own good. And above all, where Bush had sometimes reached for the center, True Conservatism would stand on principle, fight hard, and win.

This philosophy found champions on talk radio, it shaped the Tea Party’s zeal, it influenced Paul Ryan’s budgets, it infused Mitt Romney’s “You built that” rhetoric. But it was only in the government shutdown of 2013 that it found its real standard-bearer: Ted Cruz.

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Trump proved that many of the party’s moderates and establishmentarians hate the thought of a True Conservative nominee even more than they fear handing the nomination to a proto-fascist grotesque with zero political experience and poor impulse control. That goes for the prominent politicians who refused to endorse Cruz, the prominent donors who sat on their hands once the field narrowed and all the moderate-Republican voters in blue states who turned out to be #NeverCruz first and #NeverTrump less so or even not at all.

Finally, Trump proved that many professional True Conservatives, many of the same people who flayed RINOs and demanded purity throughout the Obama era, were actually just playing a convenient part. From Fox News’ 10 p.m. hour to talk radio to the ranks of lesser pundits, a long list of people who should have been all-in for Cruz on ideological grounds either flirted with Trump, affected neutrality or threw down their cloaks for the Donald to stomp over to the nomination. Cruz thought he would have a movement behind him, but part of that movement was actually a racket, and Trumpistas were simply better marks.

:teehee

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2016, 12:45:10 PM

Ah yes, the magical unicorn that is True Conservatism™.

True Conservatism™ never fails because you can always move the goalposts.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 01:17:11 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/clinton-should-concede-to-sanders-before-fbi-reveals-findings_b_9836720.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: tiesto on May 04, 2016, 01:25:16 PM

Quote from: james on May 04, 2016, 11:13:48 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on May 03, 2016, 09:19:31 PM

I thought Cruz was in it til the end. I'm so confused. Apparently running with Fiorina was more terrible than I thought.

What people dont understand is that the election is not about policy. It is not about taxes, or international relations, or social issues.

Its about the individual.

When people attack Obama, they dont really attack his policies. They attack the person.

He leads from behind
Hes spineless
Hes compromisor in chief
He's a loser

Trump has been leading from day 1 because of his personality.

It's all about the image. He's a winner. He wins.

Note every time his rival collapsed is because they appeared weak.

Rubio started acting like Trump and his numbers fell off a cliff because it as desperate and weak.

Like a loser.

Cruz fell off a cliff when he started acting desperate. The deal with Kasich. The Fiorina hail marry.

Weak. Like a loser.

As the rivals collapsed, Kasich went nowhere. Why? Because hes been a loser the entire race.

I said this back in August and I was right.

This country doesnt give a shit about policy or politics. Its a popularity contest. It's American idol. Skill doesnt matter, looks and personality do.

I think it's because Trump focused more on the economy and pushed aside social issues. It's hard to really care about transgender bathrooms or #blacklivesmatter or abortion or whatever the hot-button social issue of the day is when your wage growth is stagnant and your employment prospects look dimmer by the day.

Trump and Bernie were the 2 candidates who made the economy the prime focus of their campaigns, and while Bernie lost he still did much better than nearly anyone could have imagined when he first joined.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 04, 2016, 02:09:39 PM

So do they still keep the primaries going or will they just wrap it up here?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2016, 02:10:41 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mnXuflU.jpg)

:jkcry

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 04, 2016, 02:10:43 PM

Every scheduled primary will keep happening. People can vote for whoever is on the ballot, but basically it's over. Trump is the nominee.

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 04, 2016, 02:19:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WNPZ22j.gif)

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Ted Cruz believes, man. Holy shit does he ever. Enough to bundle all his horror up into more-or-less plausible human form and ooze his way within sight of the most powerful elected office on Earth. He is the truest of believers. And the right stiff-armed him in favor of a big orange inheritance baby. Not a more conventional, middle-of-the-road candidate, but a great big combed-over shit-for-brains whose platform begins and ends with him pointing down at the pile of cash he landed on at birth and bellowing, “I’m a winner.” I’m laughing my ass off. Fuck him.

:obama

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 04, 2016, 02:52:04 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4q9miG163Ec

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2016, 03:05:51 PM

STRONGEST CANDIDATE IN OVER 100 YEARS

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 04, 2016, 03:32:29 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 04, 2016, 02:02:04 PM

We fucking did it, brehs :rejoice

I remember PD predicted that Trump wouldn't win a single primary :neogaf

It really fucking happened.

The positions we took in the past don't matter. What's important now is we find a path forward in Iraq.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 04:36:00 PM

HillaryGAF (to use for some examples since I bathed in there today) sure has a burning and ever growing hatred for a losing old man from Vermont who agrees with their queen "93% of the time" and I haven't seen anything like it outside of Lakers fans circa 2009-2011.

"i loathe the man", "do-nothing Senator", "he has gone too far", "the most delusional man in this primary season", "He is an idiot. Asshole. Senile. Grandpa.", "the Democratic party needs to start taking full Chipotle fueled dumps on him", "if it were up to Bernie Sanders alone, my friends and family would have no access to health insurance", "selfish egotist just wants to continue his cult of personality", "he's got a martyr/victim complex", "shitty personality", "he started this, it's his job to unite the party", "angry old out of touch loon", "people like Bernie can afford to be selfish because their rights aren't on the line in this election"

And that's what they say about him. Not the braindead uninformed liberal left-wing loser college kids and voters he's scammed out of their virginity.

I mean sure, whatever, Sanders supporters are as nuts as the rest, and his campaign's never scaled up properly from a 5% Kucinich-Paul2008 style protest deal and we've known he'd lost from before Iowa. Tearing into people and their hero and demanding THEY suck it up and follow The Party is the exact way you aren't going to get these people you're so concerned about to turn out for Hillary or in mid-terms. (The Anti-Hillary protest vote that's been lifting Bernie to 50/50 status will settle for her over Trump and does vote.)

In short, I'm mainly just concerned about the fact that this is how they treat their nominal allies. How are they going to react when Trump wins?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 04:48:41 PM

I think the care free 1990's and then national security hysteria really did a number on the establishment punditocracy. As 9/11 faded and the economy deflated the issues that were considered in the past are back. The Bernie/Trump crossover area in the Venn Diagram is basically the Perot complaint.

And both parties have kinda let themselves go in terms of policy making and innovation. Good or bad, the DLC and Gingrich-era did a lot of policy rethinking and reexamining. Like on tax and welfare reform. Now there's treading water, rehashing old ideas again and again, and mostly just a "stop everything" mentality. And the latter is in both parties too. The Democrats themselves tried everything they could to hopefully wiggle out of health insurance reform and keeping up with the required changes it wroth. Became more about passing something to call reform rather than what it was.

Rahm's "points on the board" strategy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Broseidon on May 04, 2016, 05:21:28 PM

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/718836449424977920

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 04, 2016, 05:35:38 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on May 04, 2016, 02:19:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WNPZ22j.gif)

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Ted Cruz believes, man. Holy shit does he ever. Enough to bundle all his horror up into more-or-less plausible human form and ooze his way within sight of the most powerful elected office on Earth. He is the truest of believers. And the right stiff-armed him in favor of a big orange inheritance baby. Not a more conventional, middle-of-the-road candidate, but a great big combed-over shit-for-brains whose platform begins and ends with him pointing down at the pile of cash he landed on at birth and bellowing, “I’m a winner.” I’m laughing my ass off. Fuck him.

:obama

Alberto's obituaries are maybe my favorite part of following this primary season, his one on Rand Paul was great.

From the comments on the Cruz piece:

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Also, congratulations to republican and businesswoman, Carly Fiorina, who just cut the overhead of the Cruz campaign by 100%. That’s how you turn around a company!

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2016, 06:41:44 PM

I wonder how they're holding up at RedState...

http://www.redstate.com/diary/apkyletexas/2016/05/04/dear-delegates-please-save-party/

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So do what’s in your heart. You have it in your powers to change all the convention rules, to refuse to cast your first ballot votes, to refuse to even show up for first ballot voting.

I can almost certainly guarantee you, if you delegates hijack the convention and install your own candidate, there will be no uprising from the Constitutional Conservatives. I can’t think of a soul on the right that would pick up a pitchfork or a torch and try to drag you out of Cleveland on a rope. There would be no tar-and-feather from this political corner. In fact, your choice could quite likely win the whole enchilada, and make you all into heroes.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/clconnett/2016/05/03/support-trump-trash/

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Trump is trash.  He is scum.  If you support him, you are trash.  If you claim to be a Conservative and don’t call him out for this crap, then you are not a Conservative.

http://www.redstate.com/diary/Martin_A_Knight/2016/05/02/trump-voters-disrespected.-deserve-it./

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Which is why the threat that the coalition of low IQ personality cultists, Birthers, 9/11 Truthers, Neo-Nazis, unrepentant segregationists, modern day know-nothings, WWE and Jerry Springer afficianados that Trump has brought out of the fever swamps would be upset and no longer call themselves Republicans should have no bearing on the decision to deny Trump the nomination other than to make it more attractive.

Apart from the fact that up to 90% of them have never voted before, most would not vote again if Trump is not on the ballot. In addition, welcoming their presence into the Republican coalition, as some idiots claiming “pragmatism” e.g. Jon Huntsman, would fundamentally taint the GOP in the eyes of the wider electorate for years to come.

 :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 04, 2016, 07:48:24 PM

It's okay, just take their money on predictit instead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: curly on May 04, 2016, 08:13:58 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 04, 2016, 07:40:30 PM

I kind of wish some of the r/politics Bernie Bros talking about how Clinton is going to prison for receiving emails would just up and die. Or do so after Hillary receives the nomination. Either slit their wrists, jump off a building, or just straight up collapse of a brain aneurysm. It would be great if there were a few less of them. Or none of them really, but even a modest reduction would be great.

You seem much more likely to die of a brain aneurysm than any of them tbh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 04, 2016, 09:34:16 PM

Nobody should be surprised Donald Trump won.  The whole winner take all/winner take most system that was created this go around was to push through an unpopular candidate, specifically this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NiAUIM8cw2I

If "true conservatives" like at Redstate really thought that people would accept another Bush, it's little surprise that they find themselves on the outside of their own party.

Edit: I like this other video better

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: curly on May 05, 2016, 12:02:50 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on May 04, 2016, 09:34:16 PM

Nobody should be surprised Donald Trump won

lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Trent Dole on May 05, 2016, 12:51:35 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2016, 06:41:44 PM

Drumpf is trash.  He is scum.  If you support him, you a Conservative.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf |OT| GOP convention moved to local Denny's
Post by: james on May 05, 2016, 11:52:14 AM

Quote from: tiesto on May 04, 2016, 01:25:16 PM

I think it's because Trump focused more on the economy and pushed aside social issues. It's hard to really care about transgender bathrooms or #blacklivesmatter or abortion or whatever the hot-button social issue of the day is when your wage growth is stagnant and your employment prospects look dimmer by the day.

Trump and Bernie were the 2 candidates who made the economy the prime focus of their campaigns, and while Bernie lost he still did much better than nearly anyone could have imagined when he first joined.

Yes thats a big part and it will hurt Hillary.

Trump is going to be talking about creating American jobs with simple, effective measures.

Hillary is going to be babbling on about policy this and theory that.

Trump WILL take Ohio and Michigan. You heard it here first.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: james on May 05, 2016, 11:54:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 04, 2016, 04:36:00 PM

HillaryGAF (to use for some examples since I bathed in there today) sure has a burning and ever growing hatred for a losing old man from Vermont who agrees with their queen "93% of the time" and I haven't seen anything like it outside of Lakers fans circa 2009-2011.

"i loathe the man", "do-nothing Senator", "he has gone too far", "the most delusional man in this primary season", "He is an idiot. Asshole. Senile. Grandpa.", "the Democratic party needs to start taking full Chipotle fueled dumps on him", "if it were up to Bernie Sanders alone, my friends and family would have no access to health insurance", "selfish egotist just wants to continue his cult of personality", "he's got a martyr/victim complex", "shitty personality", "he started this, it's his job to unite the party", "angry old out of touch loon", "people like Bernie can afford to be selfish because their rights aren't on the line in this election"

And that's what they say about him. Not the braindead uninformed liberal left-wing loser college kids and voters he's scammed out of their virginity.

I mean sure, whatever, Sanders supporters are as nuts as the rest, and his campaign's never scaled up properly from a 5% Kucinich-Paul2008 style protest deal and we've known he'd lost from before Iowa. Tearing into people and their hero and demanding THEY suck it up and follow The Party is the exact way you aren't going to get these people you're so concerned about to turn out for Hillary or in mid-terms. (The Anti-Hillary protest vote that's been lifting Bernie to 50/50 status will settle for her over Trump and does vote.)

In short, I'm mainly just concerned about the fact that this is how they treat their nominal allies. How are they going to react when Trump wins?

 :rejoice

This is why I susbcribe to your newsletter

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Honestly it seems like the yas queen Hillary stuff is a reaction to the fact that she's not really inspiring much enthusiasm among anyone.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mupepe on May 05, 2016, 01:09:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Honestly it seems like the yas queen Hillary stuff is a reaction to the fact that she's not really inspiring much enthusiasm among anyone.

Except Andy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 01:24:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Honestly it seems like the yas queen Hillary stuff is a reaction to the fact that she's not really inspiring much enthusiasm among anyone.

get with the times old man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJgM4_C3gvE

she's what Obama claimed he would be

(http://cdn.newsbusters.org/styles/blog_body-60/s3/images/Chillary%20Clinton.JPG)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Trent Dole on May 05, 2016, 02:17:15 PM

Were people this mad at Nader back in the day? Sorry some folks actually aimed higher than centrist mediocrity, how dare they!
(http://i.imgur.com/W3c6UIh.jpg)
Again as noted quite a bit recently they voted the same in congress 93% of the time, I'm with her over crazy orange wall man anyday.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Given that Hillary stayed in longer and was arguably being a far bigger dick about it (ie her/Bill making racial arguments for why Obama would lose white voters, playing the Farrakhan card, etc) I'm not really upset about Bernie. It's clear Hillary has moved on and is aiming at Trump.

This will probably be over after CA votes. If Bernie wants to "go to the convention" after Hillary clinches the nom...who cares? I doubt he'd do it anyway. Everyone always says they're going to the convention (see: Kasich, Cruz, Carson, etc).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on May 05, 2016, 02:56:43 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/TGe6cJs.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2016, 03:07:28 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/05/its_not_about_sexism_camille_paglia_on_trump_hillarys_restless_bitterness_and_the_end_of_the_elites/

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And is there anything creepier than that current Hillary meme, the campaign slogan "I'm with her"? The blurred borderlines of those pronouns ("I" numbly dissolving into "her") and that ambiguous preposition ("with" her like a child, a lover, or a nurse's aide with a geriatric patient?) are close to pathological. The Hillary acolytes are joined at the hip to "her", the Great Leader Who Needs No Name, the Maternal Tit daubed in wormwood, the bitter toxin left by men—those spoilers of the universe who created the master structures of modern civilization that provide us put-upon gals with jobs, transportation, abundant food, clean water, housing, electricity, and a magical disease-spurning municipal sewage system that only men seem required to clean and repair.

(http://i.imgur.com/26Akgc1.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:10:00 PM

That's basically a search-and-replace away from being a Stormfront rant on how white people built civilization.  Nice.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Take My Breh Away on May 05, 2016, 03:17:57 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/728297587418247168

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 03:25:28 PM

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and a magical disease-spurning municipal sewage system that only men seem required to clean and repair.

How come we don't have female waste management workers>>>how come we still have monkeys

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2016, 03:30:47 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on May 05, 2016, 03:17:57 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/728297587418247168

:dead

No Taco Bell? #NeverTrump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:38:21 PM

He's gonna post a picture of himself eating fried chicken on Juneteenth, isn't he?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: octopushover on May 05, 2016, 03:46:58 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Honestly it seems like the yas queen Hillary stuff is a reaction to the fact that she's not really inspiring much enthusiasm among anyone.

yeah instead of these forced memes why can't they get real dank memes like #feelthebern

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 03:54:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 05, 2016, 03:25:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Given that Hillary stayed in longer and was arguably being a far bigger dick about it (ie her/Bill making racial arguments for why Obama would lose white voters, playing the Farrakhan card, etc) I'm not really upset about Bernie. It's clear Hillary has moved on and is aiming at Trump.

This will probably be over after CA votes. If Bernie wants to "go to the convention" after Hillary clinches the nom...who cares? I doubt he'd do it anyway. Everyone always says they're going to the convention (see: Kasich, Cruz, Carson, etc).

Clinton was down by something like 60-70 pledged delegates. Bernie is down 300 pledged delegates and 3.1 million votes.

Yes but she also had no path to the nomination outside of super delegate fuckery. Obama was fighting her to near ties/split delegates in various spring states, similarly to what Hillary is doing now; as an example Hillary barely beat Obama in Indiana, just as Sanders barely beat Hillary there on Tuesday. And let's not forget she was also insinuating that an Obama nomination would usurp the will of the majority due to her "winning" the popular vote [based on Michigan and Florida contests where Obama wasn't on the ballot].

So I don't want to hear any whining or hand wringing about this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:58:58 PM

Yeah, I remember the Calvinball arguments about process, as well as the lowkey racism of the last few months of the Clinton campaign.  That shit was nooooooooo good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 04:09:18 PM

But the Bernie Bros are going to come up with all kinds of reasons not to vote for Hillary! That's not fair! Hillary supporters were always loyal and put party unity first. Something Bernie and his disgusting need to get brain cancer and be put down fans need to learn about and do their duty this fall.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Syph on May 05, 2016, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:58:58 PM

Yeah, I remember the Calvinball arguments about process, as well as the lowkey racism of the last few months of the Clinton campaign.  That shit was nooooooooo good.

wait what calvinball arguments haha im curious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Samson Manhug on May 05, 2016, 04:16:43 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:38:21 PM

He's gonna post a picture of himself eating fried chicken on Juneteenth, isn't he?

Odds on whether Trump knows what Juneteenth is are currently at 1,000,000:1 on PredictIt.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2016, 04:32:52 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-gop-nominee/index.html

lmao, even the Speaker of the House isn't supporting Trump. I'm sure the goal posts will be shifted enough by July so that Trump will have "unified the party" but I'll enjoy the schadenfreude for now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 05, 2016, 04:42:42 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2016, 04:32:52 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/05/politics/paul-ryan-donald-trump-gop-nominee/index.html

lmao, even the Speaker of the House isn't supporting Trump. I'm sure the goal posts will be shifted enough by July so that Trump will have "unified the party" but I'll enjoy the schadenfreude for now.

Shockingly, Bushes 41 & 43 aren't planning on attending the convention or endorse Trump. Jeb either.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bushes-no-gop-convention-trump-endorsement

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 04:45:28 PM

Like...who will the keynote speakers be? Trump and his VP, sure. But outside of that...Christie? Bobby Knight? Omarossa?

Meanwhile the DNC will basically have Voltron with Obama, Biden, Slick Willy, and Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Human Snorenado on May 05, 2016, 04:49:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 04:45:28 PM

Like...who will the keynote speakers be? Trump and his VP, sure. But outside of that...Christie? Bobby Knight? Omarossa?

Meanwhile the DNC will basically have Voltron with Obama, Biden, Slick Willy, and Hillary.

Don't forget Palin, she endorsed early. Gonna be such a shitshow.

 :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 05, 2016, 04:53:06 PM

Clint Eastwood again, maybe?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 05, 2016, 05:25:37 PM

Rex Ryan/Bill Belichick? :larry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: brob on May 05, 2016, 05:28:12 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:10:00 PM

That's basically a search-and-replace away from being a Stormfront rant on how white people built civilization.  Nice.

Paglia hasn't written anything inspired since her paean to the arch of a man's piss, unfortunately.  :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 05, 2016, 05:36:52 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on May 05, 2016, 04:53:06 PM

Clint Eastwood again, maybe?

This time the chair talks and he listens

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 06:32:07 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/05/spies-worry-candidate-trump-will-spill-secrets.html

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After Donald Trump is formally chosen as the Republican presidential nominee, he’ll be able to receive classified U.S. intelligence briefings, which could include some of the same sensitive information that President Obama is given in the Oval Office.

And that prospect has some spies sweating. Trump, who can’t seem to dam his stream of consciousness on Twitter, and who has lately taken to spreading rumors and conspiracy theories on national television, has never been privy to national secrets. Nor has he ever demonstrated that he’s capable of keeping them.

“My concern with Trump will be that he inadvertently leaks, because as he speaks extemporaneously, he’ll pull something out of his hat that he heard in a briefing and say it,” said a former senior U.S. intelligence official who has participated in the process of briefing presidential candidates.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/about-those-intelligence-briefings-donald-trump

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TPM’s Josh Marshall noted, for example, that Trump will be receiving classified CIA briefings while his campaign chief “works for pro-Putin Russian oligarchs.” Won’t that be interesting.
 
But we can keep going with related questions. What would Trump do, for example, if the CIA told him that his anti-Muslim rhetoric was creating a national security threat?
 
Or more broadly, has anyone started a pool as to when Trump might blurt out sensitive information he’s not supposed to share publicly?

Imagine if he put them on a private e-mail server that a Romanian could easily hack. :o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Trent Dole on May 05, 2016, 07:22:56 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2016, 03:07:28 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/05/05/its_not_about_sexism_camille_paglia_on_trump_hillarys_restless_bitterness_and_the_end_of_the_elites/

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And is there anything creepier than that current Hillary meme, the campaign slogan "I'm with her"? The blurred borderlines of those pronouns ("I" numbly dissolving into "her") and that ambiguous preposition ("with" her like a child, a lover, or a nurse's aide with a geriatric patient?) are close to pathological. The Hillary acolytes are joined at the hip to "her", the Great Leader Who Needs No Name, the Maternal Tit daubed in wormwood, the bitter toxin left by men—those spoilers of the universe who created the master structures of modern civilization that provide us put-upon gals with jobs, transportation, abundant food, clean water, housing, electricity, and a magical disease-spurning municipal sewage system that only men seem required to clean and repair.

(http://i.imgur.com/26Akgc1.gif)

Yes, the ascent of a bigoted asshole who was born rich is the end of the elites. :derp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Atramental on May 05, 2016, 07:41:42 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on May 05, 2016, 03:17:57 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/728297587418247168

:dead

(http://i.imgur.com/lABAPOi.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 08:04:23 PM

Had some fried chicken for dinner. I love the coloreds!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: eleuin on May 05, 2016, 08:14:53 PM

The GOP was a mistake
 :nsfw
https://twitter.com/kthorjensen/status/728051392355573760
 :nsfw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Atramental on May 05, 2016, 08:16:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsZ5VAoHq3E

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: helios on May 05, 2016, 08:20:29 PM

Quote from: eleuin on May 05, 2016, 08:14:53 PM

The GOP was a mistake
 :nsfw
https://twitter.com/kthorjensen/status/728051392355573760
 :nsfw

Keep Austin Hentai

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 08:26:31 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChtJaV9U4AARfpo.jpg)
 :uguu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 05, 2016, 08:42:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 03:54:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 05, 2016, 03:25:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 02:38:06 PM

Given that Hillary stayed in longer and was arguably being a far bigger dick about it (ie her/Bill making racial arguments for why Obama would lose white voters, playing the Farrakhan card, etc) I'm not really upset about Bernie. It's clear Hillary has moved on and is aiming at Trump.

This will probably be over after CA votes. If Bernie wants to "go to the convention" after Hillary clinches the nom...who cares? I doubt he'd do it anyway. Everyone always says they're going to the convention (see: Kasich, Cruz, Carson, etc).

Clinton was down by something like 60-70 pledged delegates. Bernie is down 300 pledged delegates and 3.1 million votes.

Yes but she also had no path to the nomination outside of super delegate fuckery. Obama was fighting her to near ties/split delegates in various spring states, similarly to what Hillary is doing now; as an example Hillary barely beat Obama in Indiana, just as Sanders barely beat Hillary there on Tuesday. And let's not forget she was also insinuating that an Obama nomination would usurp the will of the majority due to her "winning" the popular vote [based on Michigan and Florida contests where Obama wasn't on the ballot].

So I don't want to hear any whining or hand wringing about this.

Even further than that, when the primaries were all over and Obama won, Hillary proposed a deal where she would be the Presidential nominee and Obama would be the VP.  So even at the very end when she clearly lost, she still acted like she won.

There's just one month and just over one week left anyway until the last primary in Washington DC, I see no reason for Sanders to drop out now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mupepe on May 05, 2016, 09:10:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 05, 2016, 08:53:58 PM

Hillary was kind of hot in the early 90s.

:yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on May 05, 2016, 09:18:31 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 05, 2016, 05:36:52 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on May 05, 2016, 04:53:06 PM

Clint Eastwood again, maybe?

This time the chair talks and he listens

I always thought it was great optics that republicans levied all their complaints to an Obama that didn't exist. It was such a subtle troll on the base.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 05, 2016, 09:19:05 PM

http://abc7chicago.com/news/tow-truck-driver-says-he-thinks-god-told-him-not-to-help-disabled-sanders-supporter/1324951/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 09:20:24 PM

https://www.facebook.com/sassefornebraska/posts/593031420862025

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AN OPEN LETTER TO MAJORITY AMERICA

TO: Those who think both leading presidential candidates are dishonest and have little chance of leading America forward:

(…or, stated more simply)

TO: The majority of America:

Note: If you are one of those rare souls who genuinely believe Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump are honorable people – if they are the role models you want for your kids – then this letter is not for you. Instead, this letter is for the majority of Americans who wonder why the nation that put a man on the moon can’t find a healthy leader who can take us forward together.
I want to tell you about four unsolicited conversations from the Fremont Wal-Mart this morning:

**Retired union Democrat meat-packer:
“What the heck is wrong with that city where you work? Why can’t they give us a normal person? Is it really so hard?”
Me: “Actually, it is for them – because most people in DC buy the nonsense that DC is the center of the world. You and I, despite our party differences, both agree that Fremont is the center.”
Union Democrat (interrupting): “…Because this is where my grandkids are.”

**Young evangelical mom:
“I want to cry. I disagree with Hillary Clinton on almost every single thing – but I will vote for her before Trump. I could never tell my kids later that I voted for that man.”

**Middle-aged Republican male (more political than the other folks):
“It feels like the train-car to hell is accelerating. Why is DC more filled with weirdos and yet more powerful at the same time? How do we slow this down long enough to have a conversation about actually fixing our country?”

**Trump supporter (again, unsolicited):
“Please understand: I’m going to vote for him, but I don’t like him. And I don’t trust him – I mean, I’m not stupid. But how else can I send a signal to Washington?!”
________
I’ve ignored my phone most of today, but the voicemail is overflowing with party bosses and politicos telling me that “although Trump is terrible,” we “have to” support him, “because the only choice is Trump or Hillary.”

This open letter aims simply to ask “WHY is that the only choice?”

Melissa and I got the kids launched on homework, so I’ve been sitting out by the river, reflecting on the great gap between what folks in my town are talking about, and what folks in the DC bubble are talking about.

I trust the judgment of this farm town way more than I trust DC. And so I’d like to share a dozen-ish observations on these Wal-Mart and other conversations today:

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 05, 2016, 09:20:49 PM

Nothing has made me prouder to be a Canadian than this election cycle.  New Heritage Moment should be a Canadian family watching the primary debates then turning off the TV and smiling to each other smugly. 

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Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 09:48:35 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/05/hilary-clinton-bush-donors-222872

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NEW YORK -- Hillary Clinton’s supporters in recent days have been making a furious round of calls to top Bush family donors to try to convince them that she represents their values better than Donald Trump, multiple sources in both parties told POLITICO.

The moves come as Clinton and the Democratic Party try to take advantage of deep unease among establishment Republicans on Wall Street and elsewhere with Trump’s emergence as the presumptive Republican nominee.

Top targets for the Clinton team include people like Woody Johnson, Jeb Bush’s former finance chair and the owner of the New York Jets. In recent days, Bush’s brother and father, former presidents George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush, have said they plan to skip Trump’s nominating convention.

One person close to Clinton said supporters of the former secretary of state drew up a list of Wall Street donors who supported Jeb Bush and other unsuccessful Republican candidates months ago but wanted to wait until Trump locked down the nomination before beginning to make the calls.

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“I’m not worried about it at all,” the CEO of one large bank said this week. “[Trump] is going to lose and we will all wake up after election day and things will be just like they’ve been the last eight years with a Democrat in the White House and Republicans controlling Congress.”

Another bank CEO who has supported politicians in both parties laughed when asked if there would be a massive exodus to Clinton in the wake of Trump emerging as the presumptive nominee. “First of all I don’t think it would be helpful to her for a bunch of Wall Street people to come out in support,” he said. “And he’s probably not going to win and if he did it would probably be OK.”

Best part:

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So far, the nonchalant reaction to Trump among executives is also reflected in the financial markets. Stocks are off slightly since Trump’s remaining rivals all dropped out but there has been no major reaction either in the U.S. or globally.

:lol

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 05, 2016, 09:59:41 PM

Hillary Clinton allying herself with the Bush donor network, a great message to fire up Sanders' base.

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Post by: Atramental on May 05, 2016, 10:45:35 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 05, 2016, 09:19:05 PM

http://abc7chicago.com/news/tow-truck-driver-says-he-thinks-god-told-him-not-to-help-disabled-sanders-supporter/1324951/

One of MANY reasons why I don't put any political bumper stickers on my car down here in Jebus Land.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 10:54:35 PM

You'd put political bumper stickers on your car?  I had such respect. :goty2

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My favorite car in the parking lot on campus for a couple years was this one that had a "Kucinich 2004" sticker on it still in 2011-12. :american

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Post by: Atramental on May 05, 2016, 11:13:17 PM

I was going to mention in a spoiler that I would never put a political bumper sticker on my car in general but I'm making pancakes and didn't want them to burn.

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Also, my true political identity is a constantly morphing blob that secretly wants benevolent machines to manage everything. :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2016, 11:29:03 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/0GhVB22.gif)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 05, 2016, 11:50:50 PM

Quote from: eleuin on May 05, 2016, 08:14:53 PM

:nsfw
https://twitter.com/kthorjensen/status/728051392355573760
 :nsfw

No lies detected.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2016, 12:16:28 AM

I want to ironically put a Herman Cain bumper sticker on my car.

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Post by: Syph on May 06, 2016, 12:19:08 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2016, 12:16:28 AM

I want to ironically put a Herman Cain bumper sticker on my car.

is there another way?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2016, 12:20:29 AM

Quote from: Syph on May 06, 2016, 12:19:08 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2016, 12:16:28 AM

I want to ironically put a Herman Cain bumper sticker on my car.

is there another way?

I think most people use like a credit card or their drivers license.

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Post by: Mandark on May 06, 2016, 12:35:14 AM

Quote from: Syph on May 05, 2016, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:58:58 PM

Yeah, I remember the Calvinball arguments about process, as well as the lowkey racism of the last few months of the Clinton campaign.  That shit was nooooooooo good.

wait what calvinball arguments haha im curious

The main one was about Michigan and Florida.  They moved their primaries up on the calendar against the wishes of the national party, so they would not get to send voting delegates based on that.  This was all understood well in advance.  Nobody campaigned in those states, and beforehand all the candidates had basically agreed to not challenge the DNC about counting the delegates.

Except Clinton won both states (Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, and "uncommitted" got like 40%), and when it became clear she didn't have an actual path, started talking about how terrible and undemocratic it would be to disenfranchise the voters of those two states.

I think her campaign also pushed the idea that she was ahead in the popular vote and therefor the winner, but basically doing a tally which awarded no votes for caucus states, counted Michigan and Florida, and didn't assign any of the "uncommitted" votes to Obama.

I'm sure there's a ton of fuckery I'm not remembering.  Clinton was closer in delegates then than Sanders was now, and her people had expected to win it, so they did not accept the loss easily.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

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Clinton advisers said they would appeal to the DNC's Rules & Bylaws Committee[119][120] to have the Michigan and Florida delegations seated. However, even under the most favorable seating arrangement, she would not have been able to take a lead in pledged delegates and would have had to rely on superdelegates to win the nomination. On May 31, the rules committee accepted the Michigan state party's 69-59 distribution of pledged delegates and restored half votes to Florida's and Michigan's delegations. This resulted in a net gain for Clinton of 24 pledged delegates. Obama remained significantly ahead, with a lead of 137 pledged delegates before the Puerto Rico primary on June 1.

Ha, even the Michigan and Florida delegates didn't help much without the superdelegates.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/us/politics/20memo.html

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MARCH 20, 2008

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton needs three breaks to wrest the Democratic presidential nomination from Senator Barack Obama in the view of her advisers.

She has to defeat Mr. Obama soundly in Pennsylvania next month to buttress her argument that she holds an advantage in big general election states.

She needs to lead in the total popular vote after the primaries end in June.

And Mrs. Clinton is looking for some development to shake confidence in Mr. Obama so that superdelegates, Democratic Party leaders and elected officials who are free to decide which candidate to support overturn his lead among the pledged delegates from primaries and caucuses.

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Despite Mrs. Clinton’s last-minute trip to Michigan on Wednesday, Democrats there signaled that they are unlikely to hold a new primary. That apparently dashed Mrs. Clinton’s hopes of a new showdown in a state she feels she could win, and it left the state’s delegates in limbo.

The inaction in Michigan followed a similar collapse of her effort to seek another matchup with Mr. Obama in Florida, where, as in Michigan, she won an earlier primary held in violation of party rules.

Without new votes in Florida and Michigan, it will be that much more difficult for Mrs. Clinton to achieve a majority in the total popular vote in the primary season, narrow Mr. Obama’s lead among pledged delegates or build a new wave of momentum.

Mrs. Clinton’s advisers had hoped that the uproar over inflammatory remarks made by Mr. Obama’s longtime pastor that has rocked his campaign for a week might lead voters and superdelegates to question whether they really know enough about Mr. Obama to back him.

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If there is a road to victory for Mrs. Clinton, it is a fairly narrow one. Her chief strategist, Mark Penn, said the campaign believed that when the primary voting was done, Mrs. Clinton would have a lead in the overall popular vote, that Mr. Obama’s lead in delegates would be relatively narrow and that polls would show her in a stronger position than Mr. Obama.

No less important, the campaign hopes that Mr. Obama will have been battered by five rough weeks that raise questions about his past, including the pastor’s incendiary comments, that would underscore Mrs. Clinton’s warning to Democrats that they were rallying around someone who was untested and unvetted.

“The superdelegates are not going to really decide until June,” Mr. Penn said. “He’s just going through a vetting and testing process that didn’t happen a year ago and is now happening. The whole vetting and testing process will make a big difference.”

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And it is increasingly concerned that any sign that the window is closing could lead a Democrat like Al Gore or Speaker Nancy Pelosi to step in and urge Democrats to back Mr. Obama in the interest of unity.

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“The popular vote is the popular vote for all to see,” said Harold Ickes, a senior adviser to Mrs. Clinton. “For people to claim that because the delegates weren’t seated you can’t count the popular vote seems somewhat goofy.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/08/us/politics/07cnd-pundits.html

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MAY 8, 2008

Very early this morning, after many voters had already gone to sleep, the conventional wisdom of the elite political pundit class that resides on television shifted hard, and possibly irretrievably, against Senator Hillary Clinton’s continued viability as a presidential candidate.

The moment came shortly after midnight Eastern time, captured in a devastatingly declarative statement from Tim Russert of NBC News: “We now know who the Democratic nominee’s going to be, and no one’s going to dispute it,” he said on MSNBC. “Those closest to her will give her a hard-headed analysis, and if they lay it all out, they’ll say: ‘What is the rationale? What do we say to the undeclared super delegates tomorrow? Why do we tell them you’re staying in the race?’ And tonight, there’s no good answer for that.”

It was not exactly Walter Cronkite declaring that the Vietnam War would end in stalemate. But the impact was apparent almost immediately, starting with The Drudge Report, the online news billboard that is the home page to many political reporters in Washington and news producers in New York. It had as its lead story a link to a YouTube clip of Mr. Russert’s comments, accompanied by a photograph of a beaming Mr. Obama with his wife, Michelle, and the headline, “The Nominee.”

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Mrs. Clinton’s campaign indicated early this morning that it would try to prove the commentariat wrong once again. “Pundits have gleefully counted Senator Clinton out before, and each time they have been wrong, because they don’t decide this race — voters do,” Howard Wolfson, Mrs. Clinton’s communications director, wrote in an e-mail message. “And as the results in Indiana demonstrated, voters are rewarding Senator Clinton with victories, even in states Senator Obama predicted victory in.”

Mr. Wolfson’s statement came in quick response to a request for comment that was sent to him by e-mail after 2 a.m. Eastern time — an indication of the campaign’s eagerness to undo the new conventional wisdom before it hardens.

And the campaign held a conference call with reporters this morning to send the clear signal that nothing had changed overnight.

Pointing to Mrs. Clinton’s victory in Indiana, and her inroads with what he called swing voters, Geoff Garin, her lead strategist, told the gathered reporters, “We think the results last night strengthen the case that she will be the strongest candidate for the Democratic Party in November.”

Asked if the harsh assessments on television and in the blogosphere would not drive superdelegates to Mr. Obama, Mr. Wolfson said, “Thankfully for us the punditocracy does not control this nominating process — voters do and voters gave us an important victory in Indiana.”

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As of this afternoon, the climb for her seemed steeper. Mr. Obama’s campaign responded to the Clinton conference call with one of its own that included some big-name party leaders and superdelegates, among them the last Democratic nominee, Senator John Kerry, who declared, “Barack Obama took a giant and possibly decisive step toward the nomination.” Minutes earlier, CNN had broken in with news from The Associated Press: Another former nominee was breaking for Mr. Obama, former Senator George McGovern, of South Dakota, which will vote along with Montana on June 3, the last primaries of the contest.

oooh the big McGovern endorsement (r.i.p. in peace)

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Post by: Oblivion on May 06, 2016, 03:18:45 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 05, 2016, 04:45:28 PM

Like...who will the keynote speakers be? Trump and his VP, sure. But outside of that...Christie? Bobby Knight? Omarossa?

James Woods.  :lawd

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Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2016, 03:57:53 AM

(http://i.giphy.com/6tmfJYpF2GGqs.gif)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2016, 04:32:58 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tim-robbins/fix-our-election-system_b_9847102.html

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A couple of weeks ago I shared a post containing statistics compiled from CNN and the New York Times figures comparing Democratic Party primary exit polls and final election results. The numbers show a significant discrepancy between the two, favoring Hillary Clinton in all but one of the primaries by an average of 9.02 percent and in the New York primary by 16 percent. The post carried an incendiary headline, suggesting election fraud, which caused quite a ruckus. I’m glad it did. We need to have this discussion.

This posting led to the predictable onslaught of internet trolls calling me crazy, conspiracy theorist, etc., all the talking points that are being masterminded by the sleaze-meisters over at David Brock’s Correct the Record, a Hillary Clinton Super PAC. The post also brought criticism from the mainstream media, but that is no surprise to me. I’ve been there before. In the 2002-3 campaign to stop the Iraq war, others and I were characterized as crazy, conspiracy theorists, etc., as mainstream media shamefully abdicated its role in a functioning democracy by becoming a propaganda arm for Bush and Co. Yes. The New York Times did that, and the Washington Post and ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, FOX News, PBS, NPR etc. We, the millions who across the world were saying no, who were aware of the lies that Bush and Co. were telling, were ignored by the mainstream media, marginalized as radicals and told by pundits to shut our unpatriotic mouths.

So when that happened to me again two weeks ago, often by the same organizations that had marginalized me for my opposition to the war in 2002-3, I recognized the familiarity of it all. Could my post have touched a nerve?

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Mr. Charnin and others who study this issue contend that there are strong indications of election fraud in the Democratic primaries. We might not like it, it might make us uncomfortable, but the numbers and the statistics suggest that something untoward is happening. I understand the immensity of the message being sent. I am being told to shut up about this. I get it. But forgive me for not trusting the Washington Post or any of the mainstream media to put their resources into real investigative journalism that could get to the bottom of this. In the past, mainstream media has shown itself to be a willful participant in propagating political narratives sympathetic to establishment interests, narratives that are untrue and ultimately detrimental to the citizens the press purports to serve.

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So forgive me for having doubts about the recent numbers in the New York primary. I noticed a huge discrepancy between the CNN exit polls, which had Hillary up by 4 percent, and the end results that had her up 16 percent. There was a 7.8 percent discrepancy in Massachusetts and in the Ohio primary a 10 percent discrepancy. The margin of error on exit polls is 4 percent.

If this was one of the elections we monitor overseas wouldn’t we call foul? A 16-point difference? In Florida 2000 we called foul. In Ohio 2004 we called foul. But Bernie Sanders’s supporters notice a discrepancy and we are told we are crazy and that exit polls are unreliable. Really?

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Most importantly, if we cannot rely on exit polls, then what is to prevent people from hacking into electronic voting machines to change people’s votes? Princeton Professor Ed Felten showed us how easy that is to do. All it takes is knowledge of the software and one voter card with a virus to flip the votes on that machine. Our votes are counted by for-profit, potentially partisan companies using secret proprietary software. Diebold, indicted for bribery, falsifying documents, and “a worldwide pattern of criminal conduct“ after the 2004 election, renamed itself Premier and then was acquired by ES&S. So who currently holds the patent on the software used with ES&S voting machines, estimated to count and tabulate 80 percent of the U.S. vote in the next election? That would be a useful thing to know, wouldn’t it?

Hillary probably is the one who actually killed his wife too and framed him.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 06, 2016, 05:20:11 AM

Polls more reliable than ballots, sure thing mate  ::)

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Post by: octopushover on May 06, 2016, 12:50:31 PM

americans are so paranoid holy shit

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2016, 01:23:26 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/69PUWok.png)

But, you know, just imagine that's Hillary's face.

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Post by: octopushover on May 06, 2016, 01:56:53 PM

i kind of hope they do a recount in new york and arizona including all the provisional ballots so when it comes back as hillary winning again i can just post this on facebook


(http://i.imgur.com/cfNpIsX.jpg)

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 06, 2016, 03:33:37 PM

Quote from: octopushover on May 06, 2016, 12:50:31 PM

americans are so paranoid holy shit

What would you expect from the same people who think Jesus is coming back at any minute?

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Post by: Tasty on May 06, 2016, 04:44:46 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/sanders-supporters-get-totally-reasonable-dropouthillary-trending-on-twitter/

:dunno :umad

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2016, 05:15:31 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ChzOc1ZWMAA4i2d.jpg)
:dead

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2016, 05:17:48 PM

I will unify the party, and I'm pretty sure fuck you.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 06, 2016, 06:19:53 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 06, 2016, 04:44:46 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/sanders-supporters-get-totally-reasonable-dropouthillary-trending-on-twitter/

:dunno :umad

How mad would you be if somehow that pressure actually caused her to?

Personally, I'd be pissed because I'd lose ~$100

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 06, 2016, 07:00:32 PM

http://www.politicususa.com/2016/05/04/drinking-glass-flint-water-obama-ripped-heart-republican-party.html
:obama

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 06, 2016, 09:03:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJIllWIRx-M

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Post by: Syph on May 06, 2016, 09:31:11 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 06, 2016, 12:35:14 AM

Quote from: Syph on May 05, 2016, 04:11:14 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 05, 2016, 03:58:58 PM

Yeah, I remember the Calvinball arguments about process, as well as the lowkey racism of the last few months of the Clinton campaign.  That shit was nooooooooo good.

wait what calvinball arguments haha im curious

The main one was about Michigan and Florida.  They moved their primaries up on the calendar against the wishes of the national party, so they would not get to send voting delegates based on that.  This was all understood well in advance.  Nobody campaigned in those states, and beforehand all the candidates had basically agreed to not challenge the DNC about counting the delegates.

Except Clinton won both states (Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan, and "uncommitted" got like 40%), and when it became clear she didn't have an actual path, started talking about how terrible and undemocratic it would be to disenfranchise the voters of those two states.

I think her campaign also pushed the idea that she was ahead in the popular vote and therefor the winner, but basically doing a tally which awarded no votes for caucus states, counted Michigan and Florida, and didn't assign any of the "uncommitted" votes to Obama.

I'm sure there's a ton of fuckery I'm not remembering.  Clinton was closer in delegates then than Sanders was now, and her people had expected to win it, so they did not accept the loss easily.

Thanks for the write-up!

I went back and finally lurked GAF today and I'm now rooting for Trump because the meltdown there would be astronomical and hilarious

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 07, 2016, 02:39:02 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 06, 2016, 04:44:46 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/online/sanders-supporters-get-totally-reasonable-dropouthillary-trending-on-twitter/

:dunno :umad

And her dumb fucking Correct The Record shills got #DropOutBernie trending as a counter with 1/10 the amount of tweets! :pacspit

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 07, 2016, 08:10:05 AM

Bill Kristol and Mitt Romney are searching for the new John Anderson: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/06/mitt-romney-met-privately-with-william-kristol-who-is-leading-the-effort-to-draft-an-independent-bid/

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 07, 2016, 12:19:28 PM

Bill Kristol knows a winner when he sees one.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 07, 2016, 01:38:30 PM

Isn't it too late to get on some states ballots as an independent? Take your L 'pubs

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Post by: Mandark on May 07, 2016, 01:55:15 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 04, 2016, 01:58:38 AM

-The other side of income inequality. The discussion on this topic tends to focus on how much JOB TITLE makes contra their staff, not how little people are actually expected to live on, and the avenues they turn to to survive those realities. (From relying on scum like check cashers to cheating on taxes and getting in hot water with the IRS.) People don't like working hard to barely squeeze by, that makes them angry, and people wracked by emotion don't make logical decisions. :Spock:

-There is a world that doesn't show up in consensus reality. From off balance sheet accounting, to informal dispute resolution, to child abuse (big ups to the GOP and the fourth estate for saddling us with a child predator as Speaker of the House), there are things that exist but aren't officially recorded. I realize that someone like Nate would find this topic anathema, but when people aren't on the record they surprisingly act and believe things contrary to what goes on the record. (In December I believe studies showed that people were more inclined to show support for Trump in anonymous polling, especially college educated voters.)

-People who say racist, sexist, or otherwise bigoted shit can in actual fact be racist, sexist, or otherwise bigoted and want a government that implements those values. (The party of small government is saying who can and can't use bathrooms, as an example.) I am in no way surprised that Trump was dominating in California polling, our disenfranchised racist minority has been absolved of having to even pretend and use coded language for quite awhile now.

But support for Trump did show up in the data.  He was leading in national and state polls for months before the primaries started and tended to underperform those polls slightly, if anything.  I think the 538 state-by-state projections were fairly accurate while their long term predictions of Trump's downfall were off. That's because they, like Wang and the rest of the geek-pundits, were deferring to the polisci consensus about how the primary system works, and the assumption that the GOP and its attendant institutions would turn against Trump because they found him unacceptable.*  I only read a few of his columns but I don't remember him ever presuming to have the pulse of the electorate.

That sounds much more like the column Dana Milbank promised to eat if Trump got the nomination.  It's littered with phrases like "Americans are better than Trump" and "voters, in the end, tend to get it right" as well as pointing out Trump's comments about refugees (in the context of assuming they're so bad that of course GOP primary voters couldn't support them).  You find similar stuff from David Brooks, Michael Gerson, George Will, etc.

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*Even though that led them down the wrong path, I can't begrudge them that decision. The alternative is "I will apply my own expertise to a field without bothering to seriously consider the previous decades of study because I am a maverick outsider!" and that just gets us Freakonomics.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 07, 2016, 02:03:01 PM

:lol their is no one who hasn't already failed at this that they can choose from. 

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 07, 2016, 11:36:07 PM

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Eight years ago, Clinton dropped out of the primary race on June 7, 2008, when, according to delegate counts at the time by several major news organizations, Obama was ahead of Clinton by roughly 124 pledged delegates.

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Fast forward to today. According to ABC News’ delegates estimate, Clinton is currently ahead of Sanders by 321 pledged delegates: 1,683 to 1,362. (This is not counting Clinton’s enormous lead in superdelegates.)

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-history-lesson-dropping/story?id=38909381

lol

oh god, remember when Obama clinched the nom and this shit happened
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_vmQrTi3aM
 :lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 08, 2016, 01:00:38 AM

"Terrorist Fist Jab"

:neogaf

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Post by: Tasty on May 08, 2016, 01:10:24 AM

https://twitter.com/GregProops/status/729065781678366720

 :dayum

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Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2016, 01:17:52 AM

There's another clip that I can't seem to find on YouTube, like from Fox and Friends or something, with the same body language expert lady (who used to be on Red Eye a lot) and they're all trying to figure out the secret messages and she's all "no, it's just a simple thing people do" and then probably Steve Doocy is like "but what if it isn't?!?"

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on May 07, 2016, 01:38:30 PM

Isn't it too late to get on some states ballots as an independent? Take your L 'pubs

No, IIRC, Texas will be first and it's Monday.

Bloomberg's people "leaked" their study into it and suggested you needed to start before the end of March or an independent bid was doomed to irrelevancy even if you spent a billion dollars of your own money.

That's why the GOP is eyeing the Libertarians (ballot status is supposed to be everywhere this year) and Constitution (ballot status in a good number of states already and with actual cash/organization would easily get the rest of the way) Parties for a hostile takeover.

LP seems determined to run Gary again in hopes of cracking 1%.

The Constitution Party would actually welcome it, they've been trying to hook a former GOPer who someone might recognize for ages. They were trying to get Steve Stockman to be their nominee this year. Their nominee Darrell Castle can be dumped in a heartbeat, especially since he already dropped out once due to health concerns before getting back in the race just before their convention.

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/05/States_Indys.jpg&w=640)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2016, 01:24:58 AM

What about the Communist Party USA? They haven't run a presidential candidate since Gus Hall. Maybe Comrade Romney could shake things up.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2016, 01:29:38 AM

I believe they have a standing position to endorse the Democratic Party candidate no matter what.

Kara can correct me if I have my Communist Parties confused.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2016, 01:54:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7I92r9GqUw

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2016, 08:23:51 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 08, 2016, 01:10:24 AM

https://twitter.com/GregProops/status/729065781678366720

 :dayum

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reddword/status/729125706676903936

Shark jump moment.

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Post by: thisismyusername on May 08, 2016, 08:42:34 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2016, 08:23:51 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 08, 2016, 01:10:24 AM

https://twitter.com/GregProops/status/729065781678366720

 :dayum

https://mobile.twitter.com/Reddword/status/729125706676903936

Shark jump moment.

"White Privilege Much?" :what

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4ic74p/step_by_step_instructions_on_how_to_remove_debbie/d2x67kr

This is the best comment reply on reddit, ever.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 08, 2016, 10:13:09 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36240523

Math: the ultimate terrorist 

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Post by: thisismyusername on May 08, 2016, 10:37:42 AM

Get in, losers (https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/4ibtbi/the_lord_then_said_to_noah_that_segment_was/), we going cringe shopping (https://np.reddit.com/r/DailyShow/comments/4i4xvh/an_open_letter_to_the_daily_show/).

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2016, 01:02:50 PM

I merely skimmed that shit, not reading it all. But lol @ "at least Bernie awoke the non voters, i.e. the majority of the country." If that's true why is he losing to Hillary by 3mil votes  :doge

How is it a revolution if you don't even come close. It takes a revolution to beat a powerful establishment machine....we saw it happen in 2008 :doge

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 08, 2016, 02:52:01 PM

Warren :rejoice

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2016, 02:56:49 PM

Quote

Bernie Sanders reminds me very much of myself the first time I ever played Final Fantasy XII.

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/bernie-sanders-doesn-t-level-grind-and-that-s-why-he-should-lose-8355241

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2016, 03:01:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2016, 02:56:49 PM

Quote

Bernie Sanders reminds me very much of myself the first time I ever played Final Fantasy XII.

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/bernie-sanders-doesn-t-level-grind-and-that-s-why-he-should-lose-8355241

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/why-the-united-states-of-america-is-my-favorite-rpg-6398413

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Our presidents are our main characters. Sometimes they are true, almost one-dimensional heroes like Washington, who is a pantalooned stand in for FFI's Warrior of Light. Other time's they're weak, ineffectual, unlikeable fellows like James Pierce, whose presidency I compare to being forced to play as Vaan in FFXII. Except Pierce didn't make me constantly see him dressed as a Thai rentboy with a bleach job.

:dead

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Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2016, 03:42:23 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 08, 2016, 01:54:27 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7I92r9GqUw

I can't tell who Xerxes is supposed to be.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2016, 04:10:27 PM

George Soros

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Post by: Oblivion on May 08, 2016, 04:14:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 08, 2016, 04:10:27 PM

George Soros

Ahhh, okay.

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Post by: thisismyusername on May 09, 2016, 12:40:23 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2016, 02:56:49 PM

Quote

Bernie Sanders reminds me very much of myself the first time I ever played Final Fantasy XII.

http://www.houstonpress.com/arts/bernie-sanders-doesn-t-level-grind-and-that-s-why-he-should-lose-8355241

Us Gamers, Millennials, huh?

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Post by: mormapope on May 09, 2016, 05:24:32 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 08, 2016, 01:02:50 PM

I merely skimmed that shit, not reading it all. But lol @ "at least Bernie awoke the non voters, i.e. the majority of the country." If that's true why is he losing to Hillary by 3mil votes  :doge

How is it a revolution if you don't even come close. It takes a revolution to beat a powerful establishment machine....we saw it happen in 2008 :doge

My state had our highest voting turnout for primaries since the 70's
 :ufup

But then we fucked up our supreme court choice completely  :brazilcry

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 09, 2016, 11:10:15 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiA6dTzWkAEbPFv.jpg)
http://thehill.com/policy/finance/279190-trump-us-wont-default-because-it-prints-money

Walrus, Kara are you ok.

Trump the MMTer
:whoo

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 09, 2016, 11:15:58 AM

Sounds like a disaster to me unless we want to borrow at exorbitant rates in the future.

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 09, 2016, 11:25:13 AM

If you buy back all the debt, wouldn't that make the US dollar worthless?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2016, 11:31:21 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on May 09, 2016, 11:25:13 AM

If you buy back all the debt, wouldn't that make the US dollar worthless?

The US Dollar will be winning. It will be winning so much, you'll say "Mr. Trump, please, we're tired of the US Dollar winning so much!" but he'll say "NO! It's going to keep winning!" and then an eagle will land on President Trump's podium with an American flag held gently in it's beak and it's name was Marine Todd.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on May 09, 2016, 11:59:17 AM

"You know I'm the king of debt"

Campaign slogan right here.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2016, 12:38:55 PM

Yeah, well, if you love debt so much why don't you marry it?!

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 09, 2016, 12:53:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2016, 12:38:55 PM

Yeah, well, if you love debt so much why don't you marry it?!

Once Hillary packs the Supreme Court with her lieberal activist judges, you will be able to.  :phil

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 09, 2016, 12:54:35 PM

He's basically saying that we should threaten debt holders with inflation and then get them to offer a discount? Disregarding how shortsighted that is, isn't most of the debt held within the country? The hard part for Hillary is juggling all the stupid shit that Trump says, like that's seriously something I don't think anyone has the chops for.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2016, 01:51:51 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-names-christie-chairman-transition-team

Presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump announced Monday that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) would serve as the chairman of his transition team.

“Governor Christie is an extremely knowledgeable and loyal person with the tools and resources to put together an unparalleled Transition Team, one that will be prepared to take over the White House when we win in November,” Trump said in a statement. “I am grateful to Governor Christie for his contributions to this movement.”

 :heh

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 09, 2016, 02:36:52 PM

Bill Clinton apparently liked to draw dicks on his security briefings:  http://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-clintons-doodles-on-secret-documents-as-president-include-male-genitals/

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Post by: VomKriege on May 09, 2016, 02:57:47 PM

Stalin did something similar IIRC

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Unsurprisingly.

[close]

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Post by: Syph on May 09, 2016, 03:00:38 PM

as an econ major,.....yea wtf am i reading
like i get what he's saying kinda in that he basically wants to short the debt in a way, but cmon man, one half-assed point for fifty asinine, bat-shit crazy ones aint cutting it. buying back debt in the quantities the usa is dealing with isn't an exhaustive comprehensive solution

"I love debt"
:letsfukk
breh

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Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 03:14:40 PM

Quote from: Syph on May 09, 2016, 03:00:38 PM

as an econ major,.....yea wtf am i reading

http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/powerpoints/7DIF.pdf

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Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 03:22:11 PM

Trump and Sanders are the same confirmed:

Quote

But new budget committee ranking member Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is poised to break dramatically from traditional Democratic views on budgeting, from Obama to Clinton to Walter Mondale and beyond.

His big move: naming University of Missouri – Kansas City professor Stephanie Kelton as his chief economist. Kelton is not exactly a household name, but to those who follow economic policy debates closely, tapping her is a dramatic sign.

HEULEN10 was right all along.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2016, 03:25:15 PM

If we can borrow $100 Trillion and then buy back our debt at an 80% discount, then we've erased the national debt. This is gonna work, econbrehs.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 03:35:05 PM

But there's no such thing as debt, only assets, so what are we buying back?!? :doge

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on May 09, 2016, 03:52:15 PM

Reminds me of the constitution party and Bo Gritz, who's economic policy was the mint one coin worth all the debt we had and pay it using that. Dude seriously believes we'd have to mint a coin that we could somehow give to our debtors (one coin) and they'd be like "OK"

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 09, 2016, 04:11:09 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 03:35:05 PM

But there's no such thing as debt, only assets, so what are we buying back?!? :doge

Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it doesn't actually exist.

I mean, I hate libertarians, but I'll admit they exist.

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 09, 2016, 05:57:22 PM

You know if Trump devalues the US dollar enough, Mexico won't pay to build the wall since remittances won't be shit.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 09, 2016, 06:17:31 PM

Remember when all you guys had to do to reduce the national debt was elect a Clinton?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 06:44:13 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 09, 2016, 06:17:31 PM

Remember when all you guys had to do to reduce the national debt was elect a Clinton?

No?

Code: [Select]

1992 4001.79
1993 4351.04
1994 4643.31
1995 4920.58
1996 5181.46
1997 5369.21
1998 5478.19
1999 5605.52
2000 5628.70
2001 5769.89
 :bow Bush/Cheney/Hastert  :bow2

Code: [Select]

2001 5769.89
2002 6198.40
2003 6760.02
2004 7354.65
2005 7905.30
2006 8451.35
2007 8950.75
2008 9986.08
2009 14589.07
2010 16373.00 :rejoice

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Post by: benjipwns on May 09, 2016, 08:07:31 PM

Quote

Hey, maybe he can get all of them to run! Put Sasse on the ballot in Nebraska, Coburn in Oklahoma, Romney in Massachusetts, Michigan and Utah—and plug in other candidates as needed to maximize the Nevertrump appeal in particular states. John Kasich could run in Ohio, Jeb Bush in Florida and so forth.

OK, that’s a ridiculous idea, but it’s not as ridiculous as it sounds. It would obviate the problem of recruiting a candidate willing to spend an arduous six months on a quixotic national campaign. True, such a strategy would preclude the possibility of an electoral-college majority, but that’s not a realistic goal even with a single candidate.

The objective instead would be to win as many states as possible and deny either Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton an Electoral College majority. Pursuant to the 12th Amendment, that would throw the election to the House, which would choose the president from among the top three finishers—presumably Trump, Mrs. Clinton and one of the Nevertrump candidates.

:ohhh

Quote

To be sure, it sounds a lot like Romney’s March plan for strategic Nevertrump voting in the primaries, or like the April Cruz-Kasich entente. But maybe the third time would be the charm.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2016, 09:44:13 PM

#Never...GonnaHappen

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 09, 2016, 10:04:05 PM

Yeah, that sounds like a great idea. The GOP spending vast amounts of money to attempt a general election coup that would send the election of the next President to the House. I'm totally sure that this would work flawless and there would be absolutely no backlash of any kind.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2016, 12:21:05 AM

Mitt Romney winning Michigan.
:neogaf

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2016, 12:23:50 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2016, 12:21:05 AM

Mitt Romney winning Michigan.
:neogaf

Clearly they should run Rick Snyder instead.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2016, 03:15:57 AM

You forget that everyone hates Hillary even more, especially for Bill's affairs, her Healthcare plan, her involvement in Benghazi and now the largest scandal since Watergate. It wouldn't be surprising if you could run a Jeb!/Ryan ticket in Florida and get 50% of the vote vs. 30% for Hillary and 19.6% for Trump and 0.4% for Pat Buchanan.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2016, 06:45:39 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 10, 2016, 03:15:57 AM

You forget that everyone hates Hillary even more, especially for Bill's affairs, her Healthcare plan, her involvement in Benghazi and now the largest scandal since Watergate. It wouldn't be surprising if you could run a Jeb!/Ryan ticket in Florida and get 50% of the vote vs. 30% for Hillary and 19.6% for Trump and 0.4% for Pat Buchanan.

You aren't taking Lyndon LaRouche's impact into account.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2016, 12:44:58 PM

Quote

Ted Cruz floated the possibility of restarting his presidential campaign if he wins Nebraska’s GOP primary on Tuesday and avoided saying whether he supports Donald Trump's bid for president.
 
Cruz, who suspended his White House run last week, said he does not expect to win Nebraska's primary but is leaving the door open.
 
"We launched this campaign intending to win. The reason we suspended our campaign was that with the Indiana loss, I felt there was no path to victory," he said Tuesday on conservative host Glenn Beck's radio program.
 
"If that changes, we will certainly respond accordingly."

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Post by: Tasty on May 10, 2016, 12:58:02 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 10, 2016, 12:44:58 PM

Quote

Ted Cruz floated the possibility of restarting his presidential campaign if he wins Nebraska’s GOP primary on Tuesday and avoided saying whether he supports Donald Trump's bid for president.
 
Cruz, who suspended his White House run last week, said he does not expect to win Nebraska's primary but is leaving the door open.
 
"We launched this campaign intending to win. The reason we suspended our campaign was that with the Indiana loss, I felt there was no path to victory," he said Tuesday on conservative host Glenn Beck's radio program.
 
"If that changes, we will certainly respond accordingly."

(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/mkwikia/images/3/3b/Aww-yeah-meme.png/revision/latest?cb=20111104033732)

This train never ends

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 10, 2016, 01:00:09 PM

Sounds like he's just trying to get in a better negotiating position for an admin job. 

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2016, 01:03:22 PM

lol we fucked

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/may-quinnipiac-poll-trump-clinton-swing-states

Quote

In both Florida and Pennsylvania, Clinton leads Trump by just one point, with 43 percent support to his 42 percent. Trump posted a four-point lead in Ohio, polling at 43 percent to Clinton’s 39 percent. The poll found wide divides in support drawn along lines of gender, race and age.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:05:06 PM

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2358433.1442107044!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/usa-election-trump-iran.jpg)

Thanks Hillary....

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 10, 2016, 01:24:47 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 10, 2016, 01:03:22 PM

lol we fucked

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/may-quinnipiac-poll-trump-clinton-swing-states

Quote

In both Florida and Pennsylvania, Clinton leads Trump by just one point, with 43 percent support to his 42 percent. Trump posted a four-point lead in Ohio, polling at 43 percent to Clinton’s 39 percent. The poll found wide divides in support drawn along lines of gender, race and age.

Very white poll demographics. And it's May.

I'm expecting many polls to be issued with whiter, older, landline phone based electorates specifically to make this look close. Spoiler alert: Trump is not going to win PA guys. We've seen this movie before, act accordingly.

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Post by: Mupepe on May 10, 2016, 01:26:06 PM

I'm voting for Trump since it's clear $hillary has to resort to BS tactics to beat Sanders.  I can't in good conscience vote for her. :doge

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Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2016, 01:26:41 PM

oh god we've got six months left of people reacting to individual polls

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Post by: benjipwns on May 10, 2016, 01:30:08 PM

https://gop.com/makethistrend-facebook-must-answer-for-liberal-bias/

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:38:18 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 10, 2016, 01:30:08 PM

https://gop.com/makethistrend-facebook-must-answer-for-liberal-bias/

Their world, their rules. If that's the case then FOX got some 'splaining to do.

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Post by: Tasty on May 10, 2016, 01:48:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:05:06 PM

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2358433.1442107044!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/usa-election-trump-iran.jpg)

Thanks Hillary....

More like thanks Republicans lmao

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:53:02 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 10, 2016, 01:48:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:05:06 PM

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2358433.1442107044!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/usa-election-trump-iran.jpg)

Thanks Hillary....

More like thanks Republicans lmao

Are you stupid? There isn't a Democrat alive that would lose to Trump except this idiot.

PS: We love you. Jump off the train before it crashes my friend. She's lost and now that the FBI is starting to pick at her you better hope they aren't politically motivated....Hillary fucked Hillary.

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 10, 2016, 01:58:30 PM

It's way too early to call anything. If Hillary's coronation ends up being derailed by Donald fucking Trump that just might be the most hilarious thing possible, but I seriously doubt it actually happens.

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Post by: Tasty on May 10, 2016, 02:03:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:53:02 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 10, 2016, 01:48:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:05:06 PM

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2358433.1442107044!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/usa-election-trump-iran.jpg)

Thanks Hillary....

More like thanks Republicans lmao

Are you stupid? There isn't a Democrat alive that would lose to Trump except this idiot.

PS: We love you. Jump off the train before it crashes my friend. She's lost and now that the FBI is starting to pick at her you better hope they aren't politically motivated....Hillary fucked Hillary.

:dead :dead :dead Gonna have fun quoting these posts in November. :sabu

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 02:09:38 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 10, 2016, 02:03:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:53:02 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 10, 2016, 01:48:24 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:05:06 PM

(http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2358433.1442107044!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_635/usa-election-trump-iran.jpg)

Thanks Hillary....

More like thanks Republicans lmao

Are you stupid? There isn't a Democrat alive that would lose to Trump except this idiot.

PS: We love you. Jump off the train before it crashes my friend. She's lost and now that the FBI is starting to pick at her you better hope they aren't politically motivated....Hillary fucked Hillary.

:dead :dead :dead Gonna have fun quoting these posts in November. :sabu

Damn right we are. I look forward to your imminent freakout and 3 months self ban from the bore. Well not the second part, but the first part will be awesome.

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Post by: mormapope on May 10, 2016, 02:18:53 PM

The general election debates will be amazing.
 :rejoice

Our political process this year has been S grade entertainment for the world. General election debates will be the superbowl.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 02:20:15 PM

Quote from: mormapope on May 10, 2016, 02:18:53 PM

The general election debates will be amazing.
 :rejoice

Our political process this year has been S grade entertainment for the world. General election debates will be the superbowl.

Hilary *states somethng

Trump *you're a liar

Hillary *am not, you are.

Trump *double no way liar


If I wanted to hear this shit I'd just sit in a room with my children and ask them "what happened"

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Post by: Mandark on May 10, 2016, 02:44:55 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:53:02 PM

now that the FBI is starting to pick at her

fb didn't do a good enough job filtering shit

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 10, 2016, 04:02:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 10, 2016, 01:53:02 PM

now that the FBI is starting to pick at her

what's this now?

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2016, 04:29:35 PM

stay wrong, AiA

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Post by: Samson Manhug on May 10, 2016, 04:41:38 PM

www.breitbart.com/01-may-2016/the-fbi-has-hillary-in-its-sights-and-is-about-to-move-in-for-the-kill-aia-will-believe-anything-we-print

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Post by: Tasty on May 10, 2016, 04:46:24 PM

:dead

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2016, 04:55:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/HqqoPhZ.png)
                   /
                  /
(http://i.imgur.com/0CEkGPe.jpg)

Liberals owned, why we still got monkeys?

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 10, 2016, 05:03:01 PM

oh jesus christ

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 10, 2016, 05:05:50 PM

Too bad he didn't identify as a smart man and prevent himself from posting that.

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Post by: Tasty on May 10, 2016, 05:07:37 PM

"I just hope to show how I can be mainstream and have these views," Johnson tells Mother Jones. "I can be a white nationalist and be a strong supporter of Donald Trump and be a good example to everybody." (http://www.vox.com/2016/5/10/11652822/donald-trump-delegate-white-nationalist)

(https://i.imgur.com/cTAXQXm.gif)

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 10, 2016, 06:15:38 PM

A lot of Americans go crazy for anything retro tho.  :doge

I mean if this was the 1930s(maybe?) then Trump might have a shot with the racial stuff.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 11, 2016, 05:22:04 AM

Oh dear

https://twitter.com/hagoodmanauthor?lang=en

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Hillary Clinton is the ENRON of American politics. Bernie Sanders is GOOGLE. Superdelegates must invest wisely. FBI interviews big liability

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Hillary Bots, I'd worry more about FBI "interviewing" HRC (not for a job, by the way, she wouldn't pass security clearance) than my writing

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Superedelegates, gave you a friendly reminder of what happens if Bernie Sander isn't nominee. SAY GOODBYE TO POWER AND MONEY. Choose wisely

Wanna keep your fat cat statu quo ? Bernie is the man for you !

 :lol

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Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2016, 06:48:34 AM

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/s-e-cupp-donald-trump-president-idiocracy-article-1.2631780?cid=bitly

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Witness the political prosecution of Paul Ryan. Sarah Palin, a woman who wouldn't be a thing if not for "establishment types" like John McCain foisting her into mainstream relevance, has decided the speaker of the House must be thrown out of office for the sin of thoughtfully considering the leadership qualities of his party's presumptive nominee.

That Palin believes Ryan's hesitation over Trump makes him unfit to serve his constituents in Wisconsin is disturbing enough, and the kind of tribalism that Trump's candidacy has fomented within the party. Ryan is among the smartest, sanest, most skilled political leaders of either party, whose commitment to public service - and not celebrity - is virtually unparalleled, and yet this is the kind of person who should definitely be "Cantored," as Palin quipped, and kicked out of the party.

Worse, though, is what underlies her disdain. It's that "thoughtful consideration" in itself has become an apostasy to Palin and others who see it as a sign of weakness and entitlement, a scarlet letter of the elite, an affront to the "real people" Palin claims to represent.

This is not just anti-establishment, it's anti-intellectualism.

Over the course of the Republican primary, conservatives who expressed doubts or asked questions about Trump's policy proposals were suddenly part of the establishment elite, the know-it-alls who think they're smarter than everyone else. Regardless of what wing of the party they actually subscribed, Ted Cruz, Rand Paul, Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, National Review, Glenn Beck - all anti-Trump, all suddenly part of the same establishment, all to be punished.

This desire to equate intellectual skepticism with out-of-touch elitism is pretty disturbing stuff, not least of all because of its implications for free thought and individualism. But also for the health of political discourse, intellectual honesty and a vigorous vetting process for our elected leaders.

But don't worry, she also can come up with new and inventive ideas you've never heard before:

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Whether we know it or not, Mike Judge's satirical comedy "Idiocracy" is actually a documentary. As Judge writes it, in 500 years, the two pillars of American civilization are advertising and anti-intellectualism, and anyone who has some knowledge and can speak articulately is to be mocked and condemned as "sounding gay."

Paul Ryan is being condemned by idiots because in the era of Trump, "thinking" in and of itself makes him out of touch. I wish it were just a parody.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2016, 10:54:50 AM

http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-more-disliked-than-nickelback-poll-says/

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 11, 2016, 10:59:09 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 11, 2016, 10:54:50 AM

http://www.thewrap.com/donald-trump-more-disliked-than-nickelback-poll-says/

Now that's an accomplishment as I slot Nickelback right after the Holocaust in terms of things I never want to see again.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2016, 01:58:54 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/yes-bernie-sanders-will-win-the-contested-democratic-convention_b_9902066.html

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2016, 02:28:09 PM

If we went though internet purges like that, what is the chance you'd still be alive today Walrus?

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Post by: Rufus on May 11, 2016, 02:32:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 11, 2016, 02:19:24 PM

About 70% of r/politics should be executed by firing squad.

I committed digital genocide on that sub by filtering it. All the election shit polluted the frontpage too much.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 11, 2016, 02:34:24 PM

r/politicaldiscussion is a lot better.  Not great though. 

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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on May 11, 2016, 03:24:36 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 10, 2016, 04:55:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/HqqoPhZ.png)
                   /
                  /
(http://i.imgur.com/0CEkGPe.jpg)

Liberals owned, why we still got monkeys?

https://twitter.com/pattymo/status/729768436109344769

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 11, 2016, 04:25:43 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-budweiser-is-changing-its-name-to-america-because-of-me/

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“Well you know, somebody who’s trying to make America great again is Donald Trump…” said host Steve Doocy. “Donald Trump, do you think you had something to do with Budweiser changing the name of its beer for the summer?”

“I think so. They were so impressed with what our country will become, they decided to do this before the fact,” Trump responded.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

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Post by: studyguy on May 11, 2016, 04:40:45 PM

CA Senate debate was so fucking dull, there's like 35 people running and I can't even remember more than Harris, Sanchez and that tall Jim Webb looking motherfucker named 'DUFF'

What kind of a name is DUFF

I remember in like what? 2003 when Arnold was running for governor, like everyone and their mom decided to run. My class in HS had a poster at the time of like 130 candidates ranging from strippers to carnies to like cheech marin running

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 11, 2016, 04:59:22 PM

Kamala Harris :noah

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Post by: Tasty on May 11, 2016, 09:50:45 PM

https://twitter.com/StopTrumpPAC/status/730190268394315777/photo/1

:dead

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 11, 2016, 09:55:31 PM

Can anyone get me access to Gallup Analytics?  :-[

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 12, 2016, 04:11:15 PM

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/12/911-commission-saudi-arabia-hijackers

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Post by: Dickie Dee on May 12, 2016, 11:22:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxFkEj7KPC0

Master MC  :whew

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Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2016, 02:32:14 AM

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/730782046046552065

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This is "unification" on East German terms. Ich bin ein Berliner.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/730784537366630401

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This is one of the most depressing press conferences I've ever seen.

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/730853097568931840

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A friend: "While watching TV, I was wondering why all the Trump people, including the women, look as if they belong in a Godfather movie."

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/730957798805241860

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Between all the Republican talk about "unification" and the way people refer to "Mr. Trump," the GOP is becoming the Unification Church.

https://twitter.com/JoePrich/status/730786624976478209

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiRGjTBUUAAIF6x.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiRGj5UU4AA69l4.jpg)

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Post by: VomKriege on May 13, 2016, 02:37:50 AM

:lol pretty ironic that Peak Trump turned out as imaginary as Peak Oil is to him, probably.

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Post by: Kara on May 13, 2016, 02:41:27 AM

What does reunification on East German terms even mean? Dumping the collapse of your nation-state on your neighbors while you skip away from the mess? Or is this one of those "end of history" moments where people ignore the existence of the Hallstein Doctrine, et cetera?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2016, 02:46:24 AM

https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/730715980243058688

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Bill Kristol ‏20 hours ago
Did @CNN w/ @ErinBurnett last night from Boston, couldn't see show. Q: Did Trump lawyer @MichaelCohen212 look as unpleasant as he sounded?

:neogaf

EDIT:

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Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  May 10
At pizza place in Penn Station: "You going to get us a better choice?" "Doing my best." "We're counting on you." #WeightOfWorldOnMyShoulders

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 13, 2016, 09:24:43 AM

http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/kremlin-has-hillary-emails/

(http://randomoverload.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/8b9558aa63344a0696c.jpg)

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Post by: Boogie on May 13, 2016, 11:34:37 AM

Amusing site you've got there.

edit:  also, why is your Putin image meme there trying to make him sound German?   Russians don't say "Mein" :P

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 13, 2016, 11:55:49 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/05/09/whites-and-blacks-in-chicago-are-living-in-two-totally-different-cities/?tid=pm_business_pop_b

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 13, 2016, 01:28:48 PM

Trump Denies Posing as Own Spokesman in 1991 to Tell Reporter About His Many Girlfriends (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/13/trump_seems_to_have_posed_as_own_spokesman_in_1991_people_conversation.html)

:neogaf
 
:heh
 
:larry

:kobeyuck

:oreilly

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Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2016, 05:23:20 PM

Quote from: Boogie on May 13, 2016, 11:34:37 AM

Amusing site you've got there.

edit:  also, why is your Putin image meme there trying to make him sound German?   Russians don't say "Mein" :P

Communists and Nazis are the same thing, obviously.

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Post by: Broseidon on May 13, 2016, 08:35:05 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on May 13, 2016, 05:23:20 PM

Quote from: Boogie on May 13, 2016, 11:34:37 AM

Amusing site you've got there.

edit:  also, why is your Putin image meme there trying to make him sound German?   Russians don't say "Mein" :P

Communists and Nazis are the same thing, obviously.

:limonovcry

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2016, 09:59:34 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 13, 2016, 01:28:48 PM

Trump Denies Posing as Own Spokesman in 1991 to Tell Reporter About His Many Girlfriends (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/05/13/trump_seems_to_have_posed_as_own_spokesman_in_1991_people_conversation.html)

:neogaf
 
:heh
 
:larry

:kobeyuck

:oreilly

This is too much for me. I'm gonna focus on work for a week. Play some videogames, finally listen to the new Radiohead, etc. No more of this fuckery.

It's like democrat operatives were waiting for him to secure the nom to drop some bombs...but they're throwing out some fireworks right now just to let everyone know shit is about to get real.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 13, 2016, 11:12:50 PM

https://www.commentarymagazine.com/politics-ideas/entertainment-wing-dropout/

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The question with which I wrestle is, if the right were to “win” with Trump in November, what will they have won beyond an election? The vision for conservatism to which they devoted their careers will have been thoroughly repudiated. Their conception of an attractive and inviting conservatism that appeals to a majority of Americans over tribal identity politics will have been destroyed, and by their own hands. If “winning” is all that matters, what distinguishes conservative media from those helpful reporters who aided the Obama administration in selling the Iran deal or those who laugh along with Obama’s speechwriters over the skillfulness of their deceptions? The logic of winning at any cost is self-fulfilling and compromising.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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As a college student on a performing arts scholarship who, after the September 11 attacks, hoped to advocate for policies that would preserve Western security and stability, the business of political entertainment was a natural fit. I began working in conservative talk radio in New York City in 2002 and stayed in the business for a decade.

[close]

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Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2016, 11:33:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2016, 09:59:34 PM

This is too much for me. I'm gonna focus on work for a week. Play some videogames, finally listen to the new Radiohead, etc. No more of this fuckery.

It's like democrat operatives were waiting for him to secure the nom to drop some bombs...but they're throwing out some fireworks right now just to let everyone know shit is about to get real.

We haven't even linked to the crazy racist butler story in this thread.

Can you imagine being some some Republican operative charged with minority outreach for a state party or local campaign, and you have Trump at the top of the ticket?  I mean, it'd be a shitty assignment anyways, but now?  Woo-wee.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2016, 11:35:04 PM

9/20 House committee chairs endorsed Trump today in the midst of all this shit too, brehs. And when he met with Senators yesterday apparently everyone wanted a pic.

Never did I imagine that the last days of the American empire would be this interesting.

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Post by: Mandark on May 13, 2016, 11:40:02 PM

Elected Republicans especially don't want to piss off the 30-40% of their constituents who voted for the guy (and the rest who are going to mostly vote for him in November).  Even if he's an awful candidate, he'll be mostly popular among GOP voters.

Among pundits I expect to see a whole lot of "I know I said #NeverTrump, but in light of Hillary Clinton's OUTRAGEOUS RECENT STATEMENTS I have realized that the most important thing..."

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2016, 11:44:41 PM

My #NeverTrump Rubio stan friend has been quite quiet lately after Rubio basically endorsed Trump yesterday lol.

Who would have thought Mitt Romney would be one of the last principled republicans left. :heh

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Post by: Oblivion on May 13, 2016, 11:45:24 PM

Yeah, this "REPUBLICAN CIVIL WAR" thing is horseshit. The Republican base absolutely loves Trump, and that means Republican politicians will be forced to love him as well (and many of them already do).

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2016, 12:01:44 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 13, 2016, 11:40:02 PM

Elected Republicans especially don't want to piss off the 30-40% of their constituents who voted for the guy (and the rest who are going to mostly vote for him in November).  Even if he's an awful candidate, he'll be mostly popular among GOP voters.

Among pundits I expect to see a whole lot of "I know I said #NeverTrump, but in light of Hillary Clinton's OUTRAGEOUS RECENT STATEMENTS I have realized that the most important thing..."

October Brooks and Douthat columns are going to be magical reads.

:lawd

As far as the rank and file GOP membership, if what I think happens (loss worse than either of the past two general elections, with terrible Senate and pretty bad House losses) I predict that we'll get a month or so of shrill "I told you so!" type stuff along with some more "the way forward has to be inclusive, blah blah blah" Burkean drivel that will go away as soon as Hillary is inaugurated, replaced with the same mindless rejection of anything the Democrats propose. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 12:12:08 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 13, 2016, 11:35:04 PM

Never did I imagine that the last days of the American empire would be this interesting.

The last days? Benghazi was just a warm up for the Hillary corporate war machine.

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Post by: Kara on May 14, 2016, 12:48:13 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 13, 2016, 11:44:41 PM

Who would have thought Mitt Romney would be one of the last principled republicans left. :heh

It's easy to stand on principle when you live on principal.

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Post by: bluemax on May 14, 2016, 01:12:11 AM

The latest from the delusional Bernie-Stan on my FB feed: https://pivotamerica.com/bernie-sanders-wins-nevada-caucus/

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 14, 2016, 02:29:35 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2016, 12:01:44 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 13, 2016, 11:40:02 PM

Elected Republicans especially don't want to piss off the 30-40% of their constituents who voted for the guy (and the rest who are going to mostly vote for him in November).  Even if he's an awful candidate, he'll be mostly popular among GOP voters.

Among pundits I expect to see a whole lot of "I know I said #NeverTrump, but in light of Hillary Clinton's OUTRAGEOUS RECENT STATEMENTS I have realized that the most important thing..."

October Brooks and Douthat columns are going to be magical reads.

:lawd

As far as the rank and file GOP membership, if what I think happens (loss worse than either of the past two general elections, with terrible Senate and pretty bad House losses) I predict that we'll get a month or so of shrill "I told you so!" type stuff along with some more "the way forward has to be inclusive, blah blah blah" Burkean drivel that will go away as soon as Hillary is inaugurated, replaced with the same mindless rejection of anything the Democrats propose. Rinse and repeat ad infinitum.

While I agree that November 3rd will probably have much :lawd, I think the Republicans will be in denial for a LONG time that it was anything other than their choices that caused the women/hispanic/black vote to go against them in never before seen numbers. When you nominate a Trump to try to undo 8 years of Obama, you can't do anything to bury that truth. If anything this hurts the establishment even more since they're cheering on this grandstanding piece of shit for 6 months and they failed so it's like whatever principles they acted like they had are out the window.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 03:45:28 AM

nsfl: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CiWp9ftUYAErDDf.jpg

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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 06:08:21 AM

Got reminded of this old typo from the Bush Regime years:
(http://i.imgur.com/G7pZnIQ.jpg)

IIRC, he had started this FOIA request in 2004 or something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 09:55:14 AM

I don't really think you people want to put trumps stupid ego up against White water. Just saying.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 11:21:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnMsUaT6e8k

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The reporter who spoke with Donald Trump spokesman “John Miller” in the 1990s is suggesting Trump leaked the controversial audio tapes that may show him masqueraded as his own spokesman.
 
Reporter Sue Carswell told Fox News host Megyn Kelly on Friday night that she did not leak the tapes, and that nobody but her and Trump would have had access to them.
 
The Washington Post reported Friday morning that the tapes reveal Trump posed as his own spokesmen, named “John Miller” and “John Barron,” when speaking to tabloid reporters on the phone in the early 1990s.
 
Carswell said she did not provide the tape to the Post.
 
“The main thing here is that I didn't leak the tape, and there are two people on the conversation,” she told Kelly.
 
Carswell added that she had only one copy of the tape and it could not have been stolen.
 
"Who else would have had a copy of the tape?" Kelly asked.
 
"Donald Trump," Carswell said, prompting a long pause as Kelly pantomimed her head exploding and disembodied laughter came from the Fox News studio.
 
"You are suggesting Trump leaked this to The Washington Post?" Kelly followed up.
 
"Yes,” Carswell replied. Asked why, she continued: ”You got me. He’s done stranger things."
 
"Because he loves publicity?" Kelly asked. “You are suggesting that he may want us talking about this right now because it generates a new cycle, perhaps?"
 
"Hello, Donald," Carswell joked in response.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 14, 2016, 11:44:43 AM

He's playing us like damn fiddles !

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 12:18:04 PM

Well if he did anything he fully exposed the raw petulant teenage acting American collective psyche to the world.

Fuck, it's embarrassing. I would not hire either one of these two for any customer facing position and one of them is going to be my bosses bosses bosses bosses boss. Fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 12:25:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 12:18:04 PM

one of them is going to be my bosses bosses bosses bosses boss. Fuck.

No, they are public servants who sacrifice for their calling.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2016, 12:30:05 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on May 14, 2016, 09:55:14 AM

I don't really think you people want to put trumps stupid ego up against White water. Just saying.

Nobody gives a fuck about white water in 2016. It didn't end the Clintons in the 90s, it won't end them now. Jeez...

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Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2016, 12:37:26 PM

Yeah, you really have to be inside a partisan bubble to think the wider public gives a shit about Whitewater.

It's like liberals who convinced themselves Valerie Plame was going to bring down the Bush administration.  Shit, even that was fresh news and not stale going on two decades.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 12:39:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 14, 2016, 12:30:05 PM

Nobody gives a fuck about white water in 2016. It didn't end the Clintons in the 90s, it won't end them now. Jeez...

Had lunch with a friend of mine who works at the RNC; he did opposition research in Arkansas in the 1990s. General impression I got: this isn't a normal general election, the typical rules don't apply. They're going scorched earth on Hillary and this time they already have all the facts needed to bury her.

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 14, 2016, 01:18:05 PM

This is going to be one of the ugliest campaigns ever. :rejoice

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 14, 2016, 01:24:28 PM

Holyshit Whitewater?  What's the next thing that will bring down Hilary?  Bill's sex scandals?  Vince Foster?

Benghazi, to FBI indictment, to whitewater is a chain of critical thinking that's turtles all the way down. 

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Post by: Mandark on May 14, 2016, 01:24:35 PM

Speaking of retro scandals, when Obama's out of office will we finally get Michelle's "whitey" tape?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 02:04:01 PM

Media lay the groundwork for Hillary, the victim (http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/media-lay-the-groundwork-for-hillary-clinton-the-victim/article/2591205)

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While the 2016 campaign has been hard to predict, the media know how they want to play it: Hillary Clinton, the likely Democratic nominee, will be the dignified victim of relentless "attacks" from her wild and hostile Republican opponent, Donald Trump.

The press has painted the picture clearly in the days since Trump became the de facto GOP nominee. In a May 6 interview, NBC "Nightly News" anchor Lester Holt encouraged Trump to "start on her" by asking if there is anything that is "off the table" when it comes to campaigning against her.

"You've said a number of times that you haven't started on Hillary Clinton," said Holt, inviting Trump to strike his opponent. "So start on her. Give me three words that you would use to define her, that you will use as you press forward."

By comparison, Holt interviewed Clinton in January and he asked her to respond to criticism she faces from her political opponents.

"I was wondering, you've obviously been in tough battles, political battles," said Holt. "But do you get your feelings hurt sometimes?"

Granted the opportunity, Clinton took it. "I have led a very public life now for 25 years," she said. "I've been subjected to all kinds of attacks, in large measure because of what I stand for and what I fight for. But I'm going to answer questions regardless of where they come from or who poses them."

Jake Tapper told the same story in a May 6 interview on CNN.

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His flair for the insult made its way into his run for the Republican nomination. He devastated Jeb Bush's candidacy by calling him "low-energy," an emasculating moniker that stuck. For Marco Rubio, it was "little Marco." For Trump's last standing serious threat, Ted Cruz, it was "Lyin' Ted."

And his cannon was regularly trained on his critics in the media, which could give members of the press a reason to dig into their opposition toward him.

"You know, when I watch a George Will or a Charles Krauthammer, you know, I've watched them for years, they're losers," Trump said last summer, referring to the popular conservative columnists. "They're just losers. They sit there, they haven't done anything."

Of Will, Trump said in January, "Take away the glasses, he looks like a dumb guy."

Trump's barbs were lobbed with glee, and they electrified supporters at his massive rallies around the country. And, though the smart thinkers in Washington thought Trump's mouth would do him in, the opposite happened. He charged his way to the GOP nomination after crushing Ted Cruz in Indiana in late April.

But Clinton hasn't been a quiet bystander, and she seems to relish her role as a critic of Trump's campaign style.

She initiated her first big attack on Trump in December, saying in an interview with an Iowa newspaper that the billionaire developer has "demonstrated a penchant for sexism," citing disparaging comments he had made about some women.

She has repeatedly called him a "loose cannon."

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And Clinton allies have said worse. The op-ed pages of the national newspapers, which are more sympathetic to Democratic causes, regularly dub Trump a "racist," "bigot" and "xenophobe."

In an interview with the Washington Post in March, David Brock, a longtime Clinton ally and Democratic strategist, reduced Trump's entire candidacy to "the last stand of the angry white man."

On MSNBC that same month, Brock threatened to "make the case to the American people against Donald Trump in a way that the Republican Party, frankly, has failed to do."

Even so, Clinton is consistently set up by news reports and interviews as the unfortunate recipient of incoming fire.

"Clinton's team is preparing for what could be one of the nastiest campaigns in recent memory," wrote Dan Balz, the Washington Post's top political reporter, in a story published in early May. It went on to quote Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook.

"Hillary set out a year ago to be a champion for everyday people and to help families finally start getting ahead again in this economy," he said. "That's what she's going to keep talking about in the general election ... Trump, I'm sure, will try to bully and throw out insults. That's not going to derail her."

NBC News analyst and GOP strategist Mike Murphy said on April 27 that Trump's "method" is "to turn on the insult comedy against Hillary Clinton," and that her "big judo move is playing the victim."

The opening sentence of a New York Times report published the next day said that Trump "is likely to attack" Clinton in a general election face-off "precisely because she is a woman."

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2016, 02:04:52 PM

It only took 25 years, but the crack investigative team the right wing assembled has finally broken Whitewater!

:lol :lol :lol

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Post by: benjipwns on May 14, 2016, 02:11:06 PM

How do we know she didn't admit to it all in yet to be released e-mails?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 14, 2016, 02:13:55 PM

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The opening sentence of a New York Times report published the next day said that Trump "is likely to attack" Clinton in a general election face-off "precisely because she is a woman.

This seems to be a rather sensible prediction.

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Post by: Tasty on May 14, 2016, 03:03:11 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 14, 2016, 02:04:52 PM

It only took 25 years, but the crack investigative team the right wing assembled has finally broken Whitewater!

:lol :lol :lol

The smoking gun was in her vagina the whole time. Damn crafty women, can't be trusted.

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Post by: bluemax on May 15, 2016, 01:43:49 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 14, 2016, 02:06:31 AM

Quote from: bluemax on May 14, 2016, 01:12:11 AM

The latest from the delusional Bernie-Stan on my FB feed: https://pivotamerica.com/bernie-sanders-wins-nevada-caucus/

This happened over a month ago and changed nothing.

This guy is continually linking to out of date Bernie shit hoping it means something.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 15, 2016, 08:04:19 PM

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cia-tip-off-led-to-jailing-of-mandela-9mwcsdq9c

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Post by: Kara on May 15, 2016, 10:06:26 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 15, 2016, 08:04:19 PM

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/cia-tip-off-led-to-jailing-of-mandela-9mwcsdq9c

Ah the joys of anti-communism intersecting with racism.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 16, 2016, 04:59:14 AM

http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/15/bill-kristol-republican-spoiler-renegade-jew/

Jew on Jew violence.
Also Trump was endorsed by Tyson and at least one other boxer who is african-american and it means something apparently.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 16, 2016, 01:34:11 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/280014-the-wire-actor-wendell-pierce-arrested-for-allegedly-attacking

Bunk Moreland attacked a Bernie supporter in Atlanta.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 16, 2016, 01:41:48 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on May 16, 2016, 01:34:11 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/280014-the-wire-actor-wendell-pierce-arrested-for-allegedly-attacking

Bunk Moreland attacked a Bernie supporter in Atlanta.

There you go. Giving a fuck when it's not your turn to give a fuck.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 16, 2016, 04:47:09 PM

http://www.wgal.com/money/revealed-saudi-arabia-owns-117-billion-of-us-debt/39571826

Be a political hostage to a nation that doesn't let women drive or Jin be flaming  :doge

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Post by: Mupepe on May 16, 2016, 05:11:28 PM

Saw this sign on the side of the road today.

Maurice Cook for Sheriff (http://static.wixstatic.com/media/c987ce_a6f594ac54da474d86bdfc1c30c5632f.jpg)

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Post by: studyguy on May 16, 2016, 06:21:40 PM

I already mailed off my California by mail ballot. As far as I'm concerned my job here is done.
Now all that's left is to watch everyone catch up to what we already know will happen come June.
Media still gonna play it like it's a neck and neck race when it hasn't been for the longest.
 :zzz

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 16, 2016, 10:11:24 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on May 16, 2016, 01:34:11 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/280014-the-wire-actor-wendell-pierce-arrested-for-allegedly-attacking

Bunk Moreland attacked a Bernie supporter in Atlanta.

http://www.starwipe.com/article/wendell-pierce-assaults-bernie-sanders-supporter-e-2842
better report

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Post by: bluemax on May 16, 2016, 11:40:49 PM

A month or so ago the Bernie Sanders campaign texted me inviting me (by the wrong name) to come out and vote in the Seattle primary.

Today they called me and asked me if I was gonna go and vote for the Bern tomorrow in Kentucky.

I told the nice old lady that they need to fire whoever is administrating their databases.

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 12:16:10 AM

https://twitter.com/marcorubio

huh

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Post by: Kara on May 17, 2016, 12:38:58 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 16, 2016, 04:47:09 PM

http://www.wgal.com/money/revealed-saudi-arabia-owns-117-billion-of-us-debt/39571826

Be a political hostage to a nation that doesn't let women drive or Jin be flaming  :doge

Did you even read the article you posted?

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Post by: T-Short on May 17, 2016, 03:46:57 AM

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/16/1527124/-Conservative-congressional-candidate-shares-screenshot-forgets-to-close-porn-windows (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/16/1527124/-Conservative-congressional-candidate-shares-screenshot-forgets-to-close-porn-windows)

Nice. Should have been Trannysurprise

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on May 17, 2016, 06:01:40 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 14, 2016, 12:37:26 PM

Yeah, you really have to be inside a partisan bubble to think the wider public gives a shit about Whitewater.

It's like liberals who convinced themselves Valerie Plame was going to bring down the Bush administration.  Shit, even that was fresh news and not stale going on two decades.

this did give me an excuse to rewatch one of my all-time favorite SNL skits (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/cold-opening-whitewater-explained/n10559)

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Post by: Kara on May 17, 2016, 12:47:08 PM

Quote from: Hyoushi on May 17, 2016, 03:46:57 AM

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/16/1527124/-Conservative-congressional-candidate-shares-screenshot-forgets-to-close-porn-windows (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/16/1527124/-Conservative-congressional-candidate-shares-screenshot-forgets-to-close-porn-windows)

I wouldn't vote for this guy just because of the righthand side taskbar. Scust.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 17, 2016, 12:56:58 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 17, 2016, 12:47:08 PM

Quote from: Hyoushi on May 17, 2016, 03:46:57 AM

http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/16/1527124/-Conservative-congressional-candidate-shares-screenshot-forgets-to-close-porn-windows (http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/5/16/1527124/-Conservative-congressional-candidate-shares-screenshot-forgets-to-close-porn-windows)

I wouldn't vote for this guy just because of the righthand side taskbar. Scust.

How can people be this stupid? It's painful.

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Post by: Purrp Skirrp on May 17, 2016, 01:20:44 PM

None of yall heeding AiA's warnings :ufup

(http://i.imgur.com/ei4MM13.gif)

:drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge :drudge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCLRlISJkEg&index=10&list=RDhJAOawGFxxo

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 17, 2016, 01:40:52 PM

Now the FBI will really really take her down. 

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 17, 2016, 02:02:24 PM

https://twitter.com/BillKristol?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Bill Kristol is hard at work planning for a third party run.  One of the ideas he actually suggested for the name of the political party was The New Whig Party.  Fortunately he settled on Renegade Party.  Favorite selections at the moment seem to be Tom Ridge as the Presidential candidate and Ben Sasse as the VP.

We also need the ability to display Tweets on this board.

Edit: Even though I know Kristol won't go through with it, I hope he does.  At best this party will get 0.5% of the popular vote and the Bush family dynasty will be forever beshitted.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2016, 02:14:22 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/1oWad3o.png)

:doge :doge :doge

(http://i.imgur.com/ePubbb2.png)

:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge

benji help

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2016, 02:26:57 PM

If they can get Lorenzo Lamas on the top of that ticket, then they've got my vote locked down.

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Post by: Kara on May 17, 2016, 02:31:54 PM

Adopting the Whig moniker would be a little too on the nose, which is saying something considering that the GOP operated on a doctrinaire rubric for evaluating candidates for years until the Trump hostile takeover.

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 03:48:39 PM

https://twitter.com/theshrillest/status/728079335572131840

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Post by: VomKriege on May 17, 2016, 03:55:58 PM

Saunders walked away when asked to comment on the ruckus (protests with violent outbursts from supporters of him) in Nevada  :lol

What the fuck is he doing ? He's looking more and more like some unhinged old ass.

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 04:01:16 PM

And now he's released an official statement basically blaming the party and repeating boilerplate stuff about real change vs. big corporations.

Shit's embarrassing.

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 17, 2016, 04:03:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/BK0kDDg.gif)

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 04:10:55 PM

Is there anything that gets people to act a fool more than a failing presidential campaign?  Hillary was basically a right-wing populist for a few months in '08, Rick Perry made the second-most disliked Youtube video in '12, Bernie's been telling superdelegates to overturn the popular vote, and I don't even have time for all of the Ted Cruz fuckery.

Kasich is maybe the only loser this cycle to come out with his dignity intact, and his campaign was essentially a season of Diners, Drive-Ins, and Dives.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 17, 2016, 04:56:55 PM

Well what's the point of super delegates if not to over turn the popular vote? :lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2016, 05:20:07 PM

Imagine the response if Hillary was down 300 pledged delegates and demanded that super delegates over turn the will of the voters.

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 05:29:51 PM

Yeah, the Sanders campaign and its surrogates and supporters spent months and months talking about how superdelegates were conspiring to throw the election to Hillary, and how horrible, undemocratic, and disenfranchising that was.  My FB feed was rife with that shit, and complaints about how news outlets showing delegate totals were "lying" by including supers.

Until she whooped him in the actual primaries and suddenly it's "the superdelegates have a real responsibility to the party to pick the most electable candidate for this fall."

Even for election season, the sheer chutzpah of that hypocrisy is impressive.



edit: Because of the way the primaries worked out, Sanders is asking the superdelegates to mostly go against the choices of black and latino voters which would be, y'know, not super fantastic.

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Post by: Kara on May 17, 2016, 05:32:09 PM

If you believe that you can make the world a better place (from the research I've read on the subject, politicians on the whole genuinely believe this about themselves, which just goes to show that you really can buy whatever you want these days), it must be incomprehensibly difficult to accept the fact that people reject not just you personally ("on to the next one" wouldn't be a meme masquerading as frequently offered advice here if people didn't care about personal rejection), but your offer to make the world demonstrably better as well.

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 06:00:07 PM

Makes sense.  In What It Takes, about the 1988 primary season, every candidate seems to really deeply believe that they'll win over the voters, if only given the opportunity to show their real self and get their message across.  The candidate pool is mostly made up of very successful people who don't have a ton of experience losing.

On top of that personal and intellectual rejection you can pile on high stakes, huge sunk costs, and few (if any) future chances.  It's almost surprising that so many candidates get winnowed early in the process.

Must be similar insane pressures for Olympic athletes in obscure sports.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 17, 2016, 06:14:13 PM

A major problem I have with this is that he chose to play the game with his own rules and lost. Just as you can't really win the GOP nomination without the Evangelical vote, you can't win the democrat nomination without the black vote. Both demographics heavily reside in the south, making the area important in republican and democrat primaries. Sanders had no plan to win those voters. I think a lot of that is simply due to the fact that he didn't expect to get this far, which is understandable. But when you dismiss the outcome as "oh, those are conservative states so of course I didn't do well" you sound like a dumbass. All while celebrating wins in...Oklahoma and Nevada.

Then there's the issue of open/closed primaries. You're running for the democrat nomination in the democrat party. This isn't a wide open race, most states have specific party based rules...and there's nothing corrupt about that. Michigan has an open ballot where we can vote in either primary, but I wouldn't want every state to be that way. If anything it would make sense for political parties to have open contests in swing states (like Ohio) while closing things off in base states (you know, like New York for democrats or Texas for republicans) as a means of testing the viability of your candidates. Presumably both democrats and republicans want a candidate who can appeal to some independents but also is the defacto choice of the party.

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 06:24:28 PM

Oh yeah, the rhetoric about process and rules and southern voters is just about making excuses after the fact and maintaining a sense of persecution.

Complain about "disenfranchisement" from closed primaries while being okay with caucuses, brehs.

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Post by: Mandark on May 17, 2016, 11:58:09 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CitYOmeXAAAh05p.jpg)

:beli

That shit only makes sense if you append "white" in front of "working class."

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Post by: VomKriege on May 18, 2016, 01:44:28 AM

I think I would be less confused if Sanders really owned the militancy of his zealots, but he seems to have been taken for a ride and not the other way around. The lack of specific policies to offer even on his key issues means he can be brandished by anyone with a chip on his shoulder and at least a modicum of leftist sentiments. He's perfectly entitled to run as as long as he pleases and can, but in practice it doesn't seem to bring anything of value at this point.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 18, 2016, 01:53:21 AM

He never expected to go far as he did.  Six months ago if you said that he did as well as he has done this primary season, nobody would believe you.  Honestly I just expected him to win his home state, some upper midwest states like Wisconsin, and that's about it.  So it's not that big of a leap to do what he is doing now because fuck it, why not?

This all comes down to having a very weak anointed front runner (Clinton).  She should be doing a lot better against a self described independent/democratic socialist from a tiny state than she is.

Quote from: VomKriege on May 18, 2016, 01:44:28 AM

I think I would be less confused if Sanders really owned the militancy of his zealots, but he seems to have been taken for a ride and not the other way around. The lack of specific policies to offer even on his key issues means he can be brandished by anyone with a chip on his shoulder and at least a modicum of leftist sentiments. He's perfectly entitled to run as as long as he pleases and can, but in practice it doesn't seem to bring anything of value at this point.

Why would he need to own them?  Why does he need to drop out?  What does Clinton intend to do to bring over Sanders supporters?

Hillary supporters need to understand that they're backing an exceptionally poor candidate this time around and that she's going to have a hard time keeping the Democrat coalition together for the general.  No amount of snark and whiny pundit rants will change this fact.

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Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 02:03:02 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/08/clinton.voters/

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In a CNN poll released Friday, 60 percent of Clinton supporters said they would vote for Obama, but 17 percent said they would vote for McCain and 22 percent, said they would not vote at all if Clinton were not the nominee.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 18, 2016, 02:33:40 AM

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Why would he need to own them?  Why does he need to drop out?  What does Clinton intend to do to bring over Sanders supporters?

I never said he needed to own them, but right now he is neither disavowing or endorsing them and it seems a lot like he wants his cake and eat it too. Likewise I never said he had to drop out, just that even as a way to keep his ideas alive as long as possible I'm not certain he is bringing anything of value now. As for what Clinton intends to do, your guess is as good as mine, but it will probably be a mixture of lip service and nothing as I suspect most of Sanders supporters will fall in line come the general election (esp. with Trump) even with no incentives and the rest is too far gone for Clinton to reach them from her position.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on May 18, 2016, 05:28:22 AM

I don’t see how it benefits him to address “militancy” in his supporters at all. Hillary already has the centrist and pseudo-left Democrats on lock. I can’t imagine him or any leftist leader ever saying, "Dear radical left, can you please be more low-key about it?”

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Post by: VomKriege on May 18, 2016, 05:52:50 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on May 18, 2016, 05:28:22 AM

I don’t see how it benefits him to address “militancy” in his supporters at all. Hillary already has the centrist and pseudo-left Democrats on lock. I can’t imagine him or any leftist leader ever saying, "Dear radical left, can you please be more low-key about it?”

It wouldn't benefit him as a candidate (but at that point nothing really would, wouldn't it ?), it could benefit his message however and it not being treated as pest in upcoming elections. I mean, we all know that Sanders is not Lenin, he's not gonna call for a national strike or outright overthrowing the "corrupt establishment"*. At the end of the day and in the foreseeable future, Sanders (and the more radical ideas & militants he currently represents) needs the support of the Democratic party more than the party needs them.

* I don't believe he could, or even wish, really brute force the DNC. His campaign is grandstanding, IMHO.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on May 18, 2016, 07:11:24 AM

I like how Trump is trying to get Sanders to run 3rd party, that's solid politics  :doge

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Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 09:34:00 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on May 18, 2016, 05:28:22 AM

I don’t see how it benefits him to address “militancy” in his supporters at all. Hillary already has the centrist and pseudo-left Democrats on lock. I can’t imagine him or any leftist leader ever saying, "Dear radical left, can you please be more low-key about it?”

Well, hopefully he himself would be against harassing women on its own merits?

Besides, this isn't about the "radical left," it's about his supporters.  His candidacy is their cause, and he's been feeding a bullshit sense of grievance that the nomination is being somehow stolen by someone who's gotten way more votes than he has, because... closed primaries?  "Conservative" southern voters?  I dunno.

There are limits on how much you can hold a candidate responsible for the actions of their supporters, but I'm not going to set a lower standard for him than I do for Trump, ffs.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 10:58:36 AM

While I don't think Hillary is a strong candidate let's be fair: she was never in peril of losing to Sanders, she is 3mil votes ahead of him, 300+ pledged delegates, and has run the better campaign. Sanders almost only beating her in lily white states/churning out big college voter numbers doesn't really prove she is the weak candidate in the race.

I think Hillary is lucky to be up against arguably the worst US presidential candidate of all time but I don't buy the idea that she can't hold the coalition. The coalition is about demographics and math, not just "I love Obama." Black turnout is going to basically be the same as it was in 2012, Hispanic turnout will be higher than 2012. Those two things alone would put Hilary in position to win regardless of her opponent.

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Post by: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:43:32 AM

The product differentiation (to use the analytical language of this indecorous age) of democratic socialism is that it's "more moral" in its conduct than other formations of socialism. So when you have an ostensibly democratic socialist not holding himself and his campaign to a higher moral standard it sort of defeats the purpose of backing the formation of socialism least likely to accomplish anything. (Sure social democrats eviscerate hard won welfare programs and send young members of the proletariat to murder other members of the proletariat and be murdered themselves in needless wars in the name of cynical electoral calculus, but by Marx they get shit done.)

A reason why I write-in Eugene Debs for any office a Democrat is assured the win is because I consider him perhaps the only moral politician in American history, and even that's if I ignore the way that he treated his wife. (Have fault divorce only brehs.)

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Post by: octopushover on May 18, 2016, 01:37:27 PM

These aren't just any random Sanders supporters either. These are his delegates. Like, the people chosen to represent him at a convention.

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 18, 2016, 01:58:41 PM

If he's going to really campaign until the DC primary then probably the best time to make a "tone it down"  statement and give Hillary an endorsement is after June 7th when it'll be mathematically impossible to win the nomination. At that point he gets to make due on his obligations to the DNC but still stay in the race with dignity and make an impression for a little bit longer.

I mean I would guess he's going to get beaten hard in DC anyways but it's about gaining (positive) attention.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 02:31:41 PM

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 26m26 minutes ago Washington, DC
Okay, so you don't like closed primaries. Clinton won 12 open primaries for a net-287 delegates. All S wins (closed/open/caucus) = net-226

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 34m34 minutes ago Washington, DC
If the nation of Canada were permitted to vote in the Dem primary and it voted like Oregon, Clinton would still have a 200 pledged del. lead

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 39m39 minutes ago Washington, DC
Sanders could catch up to Clinton in pledged delegates if there were 30 more Oregons left to vote.

Nate Cohn ‏@Nate_Cohn 43m43 minutes ago Washington, DC
Sanders netted 226 dels in 21 wins. Clinton canceled that with 5 wins for 244 dels: NY/FL/TX/GA/VA. She then won 23 more for net-254 dels.

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Post by: tiesto on May 18, 2016, 03:21:52 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 10:58:36 AM

While I don't think Hillary is a strong candidate let's be fair: she was never in peril of losing to Sanders, she is 3mil votes ahead of him, 300+ pledged delegates, and has run the better campaign. Sanders almost only beating her in lily white states/churning out big college voter numbers doesn't really prove she is the weak candidate in the race.

I think Hillary is lucky to be up against arguably the worst US presidential candidate of all time but I don't buy the idea that she can't hold the coalition. The coalition is about demographics and math, not just "I love Obama." Black turnout is going to basically be the same as it was in 2012, Hispanic turnout will be higher than 2012. Those two things alone would put Hilary in position to win regardless of her opponent.

I think Hillary's weaker against Trump in the rust-belt swing states than Sanders is. Even if Hillary dominated the South (which will go to Trump anyways) and high-population urban Democratic states, these won't be where the election is won. (though NY and FL could possibly go Trump...) Working class independents who may have voted for Bernie might choose the guy who wants to "bring the factories back" (regardless of the feasibility of this) over someone they see as a corporate stooge in bed with Wall Street.

I do think the DNC has done an abysmal job of getting the independents, progressives, and newly-minted voters who supported Sanders into the fray. It's anecdotal, considering where I live, but I know very few people -excited- about voting for Hillary, a few Bernie supporters that will concede and vote Hillary (myself included), a lot of Bernie or Busts, and a ton of Independents/Republicans who have united around Trump, if they weren't already there in the first place.

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Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2016, 03:28:52 PM

Hilary may be weaker than Sanders in the rust belt but she's still way stronger with over-30s, minorities, and women.

Sanders would have to do way more to attract Hillary voters if he won the nom than Hillary will have to for Sanders voters.

Also, you hear about Bernie supporters more IRL because of the demographics you've surrounded yourself with, and because that demo is more loud/excitable about politics in general (though turn out to vote in fewer numbers, relatively.)

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Post by: Trent Dole on May 18, 2016, 03:40:45 PM

Bernie is the best candidate to win because he has the support of the people least likely to show up at the polls! Well, in a way that argument is valid. The more the youth vote shows up the better it is for the left, unfortunately if you go too far left (which some argue he does) you alienate older folks and thus the gain is somewhat moot. :yeshrug

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 18, 2016, 04:12:20 PM

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/the-secret-history-of-isis/ 

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Post by: sarslip on May 18, 2016, 04:14:25 PM

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I wouldn't vote for this guy just because of the righthand side taskbar. Scust.

5:1 says he has no idea how it got there or how to move it back

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 18, 2016, 04:15:36 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/don-willett-trump-twitter

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Don Willett, one of the judges named by Donald Trump Wednesday as a possible pick for the nation's highest court, is best known as a conservative justice on the Texas Supreme Court. But for those on legal Twitter, he is also known to be pretty funny. Willett's Twitter feed is a glorious litany of clever memes, silly gifs and 140-character jokes. Not surprisingly (though, now, ironically) some of those jokes have been made at Trump's expense and have mocked the outrageous twists his campaign has taken.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 06:33:54 PM

https://twitter.com/jbouie/status/733016924800552960

whew

Amazing how Bernie's entire campaign seems based on the premise that it's still 2007/2008.

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Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 06:48:58 PM

The folks at Jacobin have been coming at Bouie for saying racism is an obstacle to an unified working class identity.

It's still weird to me (and probably to most of us who closely followed the '08 primaries at the time) to see another demographically-split nomination fight with Hillary Clinton, only this time she's got the bulk of the black vote.

There's apparently a National Journal article from 2014 where Sanders explicitly says the white working class is the key demographic, and maybe uses the phrase "revolution" for what he hopes to come from his candidacy.  I'm thinking I was wrong when I explained his lack of building bridges to black voters as "he didn't think he'd win anyways."  Never underestimate the self-belief of someone who runs for president.

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Post by: CajoleJuice on May 18, 2016, 06:54:04 PM

I've wanted to subscribe to Jacobin for a while just for the pretty covers.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 06:59:41 PM

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It's just preening narcissism and social positioning. Studio gangsterism for Twitter "radicals" with no sense of perspective.

 Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie  3h3 hours ago
"Liberals are the real enemies of progress! Ignore the organized & reactionary right-wing that's threatens any basis for social democracy!"

 Jamelle Bouie ‏@jbouie  3h3 hours ago
Somehow, I don't think health workers in, say, Petersburg, VA, see *liberals* as their enemy.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:06:20 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 06:48:58 PM

There's apparently a National Journal article from 2014 where Sanders explicitly says the white working class is the key demographic, and maybe uses the phrase "revolution" for what he hopes to come from his candidacy.

I don't have a login, but this might be the article...the headline  :lol
https://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/2014/06/18/im-right-everybody-else-is-wrong-clear-about-that

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Sanders is kind of known for cutting off interviewers. Here he is in 2014 objecting to National Journal reporter Simon Van Zuylen-Wood's assessment that "old white guys" building the 2015 progressive base runs counter to where Democrats want to take their party:

"Who told you that?" he scoffs. "I'm talking from a little bit of experience. I did get 71 percent of the vote in my state. And despite popular conception—with all due respect to my friends in California, Northern California, where you have wealthy liberals who support me and I appreciate that—Vermont is a working-class state. So I'm glad you raised that, because your analysis is incorrect. And I'm right and everybody else is wrong. Clear about that?"

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"...Sanders has indicated he's willing to use his fire-and-brimstone act not simply to influence a presidential election, but also to lay the groundwork for something of a "political revolution." "Let me ask you," he says, his gangly frame struggling to contain itself to our couch, "what is the largest voting bloc in America? Is it gay people? No. Is it African-Americans? No. Hispanics? No. What?" Answer: "White working-class people." Bring them back into the liberal fold, he figures, and you've got your revolution...

"He totally changed Burlington from a place that was run by cronyism and the old-boys network for the benefit of the developers and the business community," says Ben & Jerry's cofounder Ben Cohen, who opened up shop in town shortly before Sanders assumed office...
... Sanders, to use the early 20th-century term of art, governed more as a "sewer socialist" than a genuine radical...

...Clearly, a Sanders presidential campaign would be a tempestuous affair. As Graff puts it, "He has no social skills." The media, specifically, would be likely to find itself on the receiving end of his wrath. That's because Sanders—like many true believers of all political inclinations—doesn't have lot of patience for those who want to question him. "His idea of coverage is just: Report what he said," Graff explains. "And if he says it, it's important."

...Warren and Sanders, on substance, disagree about basically nothing. They both grew up working-class. Each has a loyal progressive following. (Sanders, for what it's worth, has more than double her Twitter followers.) Yet, watching Warren charm Charlie Rose, the differences between the two are clear. Warren speaks in a way that is designed to persuade and convert. Sanders, by contrast, proudly touts the tedium of his own rhetoric. He just wants you to eat your vegetables..."

edit for kara: I think it was on GAF where some guy thought "sewer socialist" was some "clever" insult I had invented.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:12:31 PM

(https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-OB734_botwt0_M_20160518111813.jpg)

THE RENEGADES demand John Bolton/Joe Lieberman at the 2016 RNC!

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Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 07:28:43 PM

It's Not Wrong to Be White (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435567/identity-politics-race-ripping-us-apart)

The author hits "black people also owned slaves!" and "MLK would agree with me" in back-to-back paragraphs.  It's like it was written by one of those learning AIs, with the goal of trolling PD.

Published in the magazine that is aghast at Donald Trump stealing their party.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1DoEaBXYEQ

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 07:36:07 PM

I agree with Mandark, that quote changes my perspective of his run. And it also re-enforces the view that at his core he is little more than an ideological absolutist. The vast majority of "liberal" or center left/right progress over the last 50-60 years is the product of compromise and coalition building. Instead of focusing on getting as many like minded people a seat at the table as possible in order to influence the order, Sanders, Tea Partiers, libertarians, etc are more interested in burning down the restaurant and starting from scratch.

You can rail about the ACA being the product of "corruption" all you want but the reality is that it's the product of there being more Blanche Lincoln's than Sherrod Browns' in congress/senate. And guess what, it still passed in decent enough fashion to literally save the lives of a ton of people.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:38:11 PM

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It's Not Wrong to Be White (http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435567/identity-politics-race-ripping-us-apart)

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I can’t recall the first time I heard the phrase “white male” hissed as if it were some form of particularly vile insult. I know it happened in law school, where it was used as a short-hand way of saying that I should be silent, that my views were not welcome.
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It was tough even to talk about, say, Omaha Beach without in the next breath acknowledging the systematic segregation in the World War II-era U.S. Army.

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Indeed, race obsession obscures the far more important discussion of culture. If you think, for example, that there’s a single monolithic “black” culture, talk to a recent Nigerian immigrant who’s experiencing his own culture clash — even while surrounded by black Americans. If there is one “white” culture, why are there such enduring and profound differences between Germans and Greeks?

Why is he bringing misguided identity politics into this?!? Hey SJW, human lives matter.

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From the year 700 until 1490, Africans enslaved and occupied portugal spain parts of france and italy. Where are my damn reparations for these 700 years?

6000 years ago africans built the pyramids. Nothing since.

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Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 07:41:05 PM

"Well, since I posted this before benji could get to it, at least the thread will be spared a few block quotes."

hahaha, after all these years I'm still an optimist at heart

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:43:01 PM

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“Will [Donald Trump] have some appeal to working-class Dems in Levittown or Bristol? Sure,” said Ed Rendell, the former Pennsylvania governor and Philadelphia mayor, who won landslides in the suburbs. “For every one he’ll lose 1½, two Republican women. Trump’s comments like ‘You can’t be a 10 if you’re flat-chested,’ that’ll come back to haunt him. There are probably more ugly women in America than attractive women. People take that stuff personally.”

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM

I got home from work with some Taco Bell. Saw on twitter that Blake Lively is in trouble for "cultural appropriation" for *gasp* quoting some Baby Got Back lyrics. Now I see that National Review article. I'm going to just enjoy my Taco Bell and let it raise my blood pressure/sodium  instead of letting that other shit raise my blood pressure.

Not clicking the article, not clicking the Blake Lively hot takes.

but I did read the comments Benji posted :snoop

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I'm pretty sure Illmatic came out after the pyramids were built  :bolo

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:54:22 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 07:41:05 PM

"Well, since I posted this before benji could get to it, at least the thread will be spared a few block quotes."

hahaha, after all these years I'm still an optimist at heart

(http://i.imgur.com/mz5Dnel.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:58:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM

Saw on twitter that Blake Lively is in trouble for "cultural appropriation" for *gasp* quoting some Baby Got Back lyrics.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CixvY42UkAAE_VP.jpg)
https://twitter.com/funnyordie/status/733083313397587968/photo/1

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Post by: Mupepe on May 18, 2016, 08:40:38 PM

I like Blake Lively

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 09:41:51 PM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-i-acted-like-a-pundit-and-screwed-up-on-donald-trump/

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But with some time to reflect on the problem, I also wonder if there’s been too much #datajournalist self-flagellation. Trump is one of the most astonishing stories in American political history. If you really expected the Republican front-runner to be bragging about the size of his anatomy in a debate, or to be spending his first week as the presumptive nominee feuding with the Republican speaker of the House and embroiled in a controversy over a tweet about a taco salad, then more power to you. Since relatively few people predicted Trump’s rise, however, I want to think through his nomination while trying to avoid the seduction of hindsight bias. What should we have known about Trump and when should we have known it?

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/18/politics/jeff-weaver-debbie-wasserman-schultz-throwing-shade/

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Bernie Sanders' campaign manager slammed Debbie Wasserman Schultz on Wednesday after she told CNN the Vermont senator did not do enough to condemn his supporters' behavior at the party's Nevada convention.

"We can have a long conversation about Debbie Wasserman Schultz just about how she's been throwing shade on the Sanders campaign from the very beginning," Jeff Weaver told CNN's Chris Cuomo on "New Day" about the Democratic National Committee chairwoman.

"It's not the DNC. By and large, people in the DNC have been good to us. Debbie Wasserman Schultz really is the exception," Weaver added.

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"My response to that is hashtag SMH (shake my head)," Wasserman Schultz told CNN's Wolf Blitzer.

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“We should call for civil disobedience here,” King told Iowa radio host Simon Conway. “And there’s no reason for us to follow an unconstitutional edict from the president, who is on his way out the door.”

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King reiterated that he plans to hold hearings on the topic, adding that he believed that the root of the administration’s policy lay in new U.S. Commission on Civil Rights personnel needing “to find more things to do.”

“More personnel needed to find more things to do and that is the root of this school policy or where Obama got it from,” King said. “So we’re going to explore that more fully. I need to be more astute at how movements begin. The genesis of these kinds of policies. So that we can go find them before they proliferate and become contagious across the countryside.”

Earlier in the interview, the host speculated that his two daughters would likely not shower in the gym if transgender women were allowed into the women’s changing room.

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Right, but Obama getting in front of everyone and bringing this issue even more to the forefront of our society isn't wasting precious little time that could be used on other things?

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Andrew Erwin Human rights and citizens rights are never a waist of time. What an unamerican thing to say.

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Emily Ramirez You mischaracterized what i said completely. To say i am unamerican because i have a different opinion than you makes you a horrible person

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Post by: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:12:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:06:20 PM

edit for kara: I think it was on GAF where some guy thought "sewer socialist" was some "clever" insult I had invented.

The end of history. :ussrcry

And Cajole this is a Monthly Review house; if you want to subscribe to Jacobin you can subscribe to it when you're living on your own. Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to read about how (http://monthlyreview.org/2016/05/01/obamacare/) the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector. *flicks open a prop newspaper dad style*

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 18, 2016, 11:25:48 PM

All the noise being made over the Nevada Convention is mind-boggling, when you consider that there were only 2 delegates at stake to begin with.  :snoop

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 11:36:16 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:12:53 PM

I'm going to read about how (http://monthlyreview.org/2016/05/01/obamacare/) the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector. *flicks open a prop newspaper dad style*

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social fascists  :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 11:41:12 PM

some nsfw. topless, nipple covered protesters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GQtzUYSXEI

the gays for trump guy and all the old people  :rofl

also the guy demanding answers from Joe  :american

 :bow The Church of Ralph The Head of Cabbage :bow2

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Post by: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 11:42:29 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:12:53 PM

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to read about how (http://monthlyreview.org/2016/05/01/obamacare/) the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector.

This is the party line of Prole's FB wall.

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Post by: bluemax on May 18, 2016, 11:52:06 PM

Today in Bernie Stans:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/17/politics/primary-results-highlights/

Apparently the headline is BS because Hilary barely won or something.

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Post by: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:55:42 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 18, 2016, 11:42:29 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:12:53 PM

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to read about how (http://monthlyreview.org/2016/05/01/obamacare/) the Affordable Care Act is a neoliberal scheme to suck public monies into the private sector.

This is the party line of Prole's FB wall.

When I opened my copy of that issue (they usually mail them in discreet cellophane wrapping, which I as an underground communist appreciate--I live with registered Green Party members after all) I'm not going to lie, I did sigh and roll my eyes a little at the branding and presentation of the topic.

It's still an article with 35+ real sources (I noticed there were quite a few citations of articles from the magazine itself, so I subtracted an arbitrary number from the 51 official citations to account for this incestuousness) that paints a pretty cohesive (if conspiratorial) history of the current healthcare system.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 12:02:07 AM

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We were therefore pleased to discover that the concept of “surveillance capitalism” has now entered the mainstream and is drawing considerable attention, through the work of Shoshana Zuboff, emeritus professor at the Harvard Business School. Zuboff first took up the issue in a 2015 article in the Journal of Information Technology, entitled “Big Other: Surveillance Capitalism and the Prospects of an Information Civilization,” where she pointed to “the new logic of accumulation of what I call surveillance capitalism.” She failed, however, to mention the prior treatment of “surveillance capitalism” in Monthly Review, despite the fact that her analysis was written in November 2014—judging by her accessing of numerous articles on the Internet on that date—four months after the MR issue was published and posted online. In a March 27, 2016, article in the Frankfurter Allgemeine, entitled “The Secrets of Surveillance Capitalism,” Zuboff again writes of “what I call ‘surveillance capitalism,'” while still neglecting to give even bare mention to MR‘s previous, more developed treatment of this same concept nearly two years before.

:bolo

Quote from: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:55:42 PM

It's still an article with 35+ real sources (I noticed there were quite a few citations of articles from the magazine itself, so I subtracted an arbitrary number from the 51 official citations to account for this incestuousness) that paints a pretty cohesive (if conspiratorial) history of the current healthcare system.

Nine of them are his own articles or from his yet to be published book on the topic too. A bunch of them are also from Physicians for a National Health Program.

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and practices internal medicine part-time in rural New Mexico and Illinois

better be for socially-necessary work certificates only  :wag

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Post by: Kara on May 19, 2016, 12:41:49 AM

I haven't read the last 3 issues cover to cover and I'm a subscriber. MR pls.

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Post by: Kara on May 19, 2016, 12:46:38 AM

BTW benji don't think I didn't see you at stage 1 of the Tour of California.

(http://i.imgur.com/nTZptjR.jpg)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2016, 12:55:17 AM

A .org address, what was lp.us taken? :scust

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Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 01:01:14 AM

Penn moderated a debate on Monday: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/31988038/libertarian-candidates-square-off-in-las-vegas-debate

lol jesse ventura's son has a show on RT and acts just like his dad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ugtes7ZYA

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Post by: Kara on May 19, 2016, 01:16:01 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2016, 12:55:17 AM

A .org address, what was lp.us taken? :scust

Why would a party that breaks bread with RT have a .us domain? They're clearly unamerican. :american

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Post by: VomKriege on May 19, 2016, 01:17:38 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 01:01:14 AM

Penn moderated a debate on Monday: http://www.fox5vegas.com/story/31988038/libertarian-candidates-square-off-in-las-vegas-debate

lol jesse ventura's son has a show on RT and acts just like his dad
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ugtes7ZYA

Where are the muscles at tho ?

 :nerds

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Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 01:18:23 AM

Those are some of the candidates shut out from the OFFICIAL DEBATES by the LIBERTARIAN PARTY ESTABLISHMENT!

The Johnson/McAfee/Petersen trio are the only ones who have been allowed on the big stages like STOSSEL and PENN/THE BLAZE/LP!

NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

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Post by: Kara on May 19, 2016, 01:19:36 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 01:18:23 AM

Those are some of the candidates shut out from the OFFICIAL DEBATES by the LIBERTARIAN PARTY ESTABLISHMENT!

It's like the end of The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. :ohhh

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Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 01:21:17 AM

Greens also did a debate on RT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tw6LeHRrEvk

Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rJVdd_HO0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3rJVdd_HO0)

edit: Jill Stein got a better haircut, Hillary is doomed confirmed

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Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 04:00:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HMOitcJtLQ

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 19, 2016, 04:53:04 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 11:41:12 PM

some nsfw. topless, nipple covered protesters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GQtzUYSXEI

the gays for trump guy and all the old people  :rofl

also the guy demanding answers from Joe  :american

 :bow The Church of Ralph The Head of Cabbage :bow2

Most unusual thing in the video was learning that bears are usually bottoms. I never would have thought that.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on May 19, 2016, 05:09:12 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 07:58:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 18, 2016, 07:45:37 PM

Saw on twitter that Blake Lively is in trouble for "cultural appropriation" for *gasp* quoting some Baby Got Back lyrics.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CixvY42UkAAE_VP.jpg)
https://twitter.com/funnyordie/status/733083313397587968/photo/1

Got to listen to some Wu now

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Post by: Purrp Skirrp on May 19, 2016, 07:46:37 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTnUYuuK5wI

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Post by: octopushover on May 19, 2016, 07:59:33 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on May 19, 2016, 04:53:04 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 11:41:12 PM

some nsfw. topless, nipple covered protesters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GQtzUYSXEI

the gays for trump guy and all the old people  :rofl

also the guy demanding answers from Joe  :american

 :bow The Church of Ralph The Head of Cabbage :bow2

Most unusual thing in the video was learning that bears are usually bottoms. I never would have thought that.

Booboo  :phil

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Post by: tiesto on May 19, 2016, 09:18:28 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on May 18, 2016, 03:28:52 PM

Hilary may be weaker than Sanders in the rust belt but she's still way stronger with over-30s, minorities, and women.

Sanders would have to do way more to attract Hillary voters if he won the nom than Hillary will have to for Sanders voters.

Also, you hear about Bernie supporters more IRL because of the demographics you've surrounded yourself with, and because that demo is more loud/excitable about politics in general (though turn out to vote in fewer numbers, relatively.)

(I'm mid 30's)

Heh, I live in a condo complex that's almost completely 50+ empty-nesters... see a few Trump stickers and a few Bernie stickers, not as many Hillary ones as you'd expect. Coworkers are a mix of age ranges from mid 20's to mid 60's and it's the same. The women I know around my age range are almost completely in support of Bernie.

Anyways, even if Bernie is weak with minority voters... do you really think they will choose Trump over him if he was the nom :P

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2016, 10:01:20 AM

Quote from: Kara on May 19, 2016, 01:16:01 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2016, 12:55:17 AM

A .org address, what was lp.us taken? :scust

Why would a party that breaks bread with RT have a .us domain? They're clearly unamerican. :american

Rotten Tomatoes is plenty American, sir! :bolo

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Post by: Mandark on May 19, 2016, 03:39:49 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 18, 2016, 11:55:42 PM

When I opened my copy of that issue (they usually mail them in discreet cellophane wrapping, which I as an underground communist appreciate--I live with registered Green Party members after all) I'm not going to lie, I did sigh and roll my eyes a little at the branding and presentation of the topic.

It's still an article with 35+ real sources (I noticed there were quite a few citations of articles from the magazine itself, so I subtracted an arbitrary number from the 51 official citations to account for this incestuousness) that paints a pretty cohesive (if conspiratorial) history of the current healthcare system.

Just read it and it feels oddly pointless.  It's making an argument that's been widely accepted even among center-left squishes for years (a NHS would be cheaper and better than a private-public hodgepodge) and basically punts on the question of political feasibility, saying we can have a NHS once we've gotten rid of capitalism.

I suppose the point of fringe politics is largely to keep an expanded sense of the possible and not get bogged down in the minutiae (the public option!!!!), but I just don't feel like it works well as a history of health policy in the US or an explanation of the economic/political context of the ACA.  What am I meant to take from this?

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Post by: VomKriege on May 19, 2016, 03:55:46 PM

Free jetski with Bernie.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 04:49:59 PM

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Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson has chosen former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld as his running mate,

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Billionaire businessman and philanthropist David Koch has pledged “tens of millions of dollars” to help bankroll the campaign of Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson, according to a source within Johnson’s campaign.
...
But after publication, the spokesman told TheDC: “Reports that David Koch has pledged his support to Gary Johnson – or any candidate running for president for that matter – are untrue.”

Despite that denial, a source with a leadership position in the Libertarian Party told The Daily Caller Thursday afternoon that Johnson’s on track to receive the billionaire’s support.

“In the event that a Johnson/[Bill] Weld ticket emerges from the convention, a pathway is in place for significant funding from Koch, [Steve] Wynn and other large donors,” the source said.

:rejoice Greatest VP pick in history, The Party's sugar daddy is back home, 1% here we come. :rejoice

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Post by: benjipwns on May 19, 2016, 04:52:55 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ciy21vzUgAAEjzN.jpg)

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Post by: Kara on May 19, 2016, 05:54:35 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 19, 2016, 03:39:49 PM

Just read it and it feels oddly pointless.  It's making an argument that's been widely accepted even among center-left squishes for years (a NHS would be cheaper and better than a private-public hodgepodge) and basically punts on the question of political feasibility, saying we can have a NHS once we've gotten rid of capitalism.

I suppose the point of fringe politics is largely to keep an expanded sense of the possible and not get bogged down in the minutiae (the public option!!!!), but I just don't feel like it works well as a history of health policy in the US or an explanation of the economic/political context of the ACA.  What am I meant to take from this?

The argument of the article is that what we have is the product of a specific process (constructed by the author with a litany of globalization canards), not that a NHS style system would be better. The NHS is discussed to establish that the Affordable Care Act is strictly inferior to other options. There's also an ancillary impossibilist argument against moving to something better, but it's (ironically given what prompted this tangent in the first place) discussed in a Jacobin-esque concluding segment.

You choose to answer the question "Why do we have a strictly inferior system?" as a Panglossian, so I can see why an argument that attempts to answer that question with a road map is pointless to you.

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Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2016, 12:47:25 AM

If that's the main question it's asking, it's a deeply odd decision only discuss major reform proposals going back to 1993.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2016, 03:21:11 PM

https://twitter.com/jonathanweisman/status/733292927229792257

yikes

edit: he's RTing all the filth Trump supporters are sending him, wooow

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Post by: Mandark on May 20, 2016, 07:44:49 PM

Funny thing is Trump himself hasn't slandered the chosen people the way he has Muslims, Mexicans, black people, etc.  If anything he's a ham-handed philo-semite (an equal housing lawsuit against Trump's dad said the Trumps believed that Jews made the best tenants).

But his treatment of the other groups has brought him a dedicated following of edgelord racists.  So fucking weird that he's becoming the candidate of the Likudniks and the antisemitic alt-right.

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 20, 2016, 08:02:25 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 20, 2016, 07:44:49 PM

Funny thing is Trump himself hasn't slandered the chosen people the way he has Muslims, Mexicans, black people, etc.  If anything he's a ham-handed philo-semite (an equal housing lawsuit against Trump's dad said the Trumps believed that Jews made the best tenants).

But his treatment of the other groups has brought him a dedicated following of edgelord racists.  So fucking weird that he's becoming the candidate of the Likudniks and the antisemitic alt-right.

It's probably assuming too much of him to say that that was his plan for getting the evangelical vote.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2016, 08:15:44 PM

https://twitter.com/davidfrum/status/733804875759427584
https://twitter.com/Nero/status/733710264311418880

what a time to be alive

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2016, 12:48:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 20, 2016, 08:15:44 PM

what a time to be alive

(http://i.imgur.com/ASBX4vN.jpg)

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Post by: Tasty on May 21, 2016, 02:04:50 AM

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/19/478720206/how-the-wrong-verb-meant-the-texas-gop-called-most-texans-gay

:rofl

:supergay

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Post by: Rufus on May 21, 2016, 09:26:14 AM

The lone star takes on a whole new meaning. :-*

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 21, 2016, 10:12:52 AM

'Remember the alamo' sounds a lot less cool if you imagine it with a gay lisp

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2016, 06:04:03 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-must-weed-out-ignorant-americans-from-the-electorate/2016/05/20/f66b3e18-1c7a-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?postshare=9311463843952700&tid=ss_tw
:hitler

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2016, 06:12:49 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 21, 2016, 10:12:52 AM

'Remember the alamo' sounds a lot less cool if you imagine it with a gay lisp

[citation needed]

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 21, 2016, 10:27:47 PM

Just ask PD to say 'Remember the alamo' out loud, Joe

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Post by: Tasty on May 21, 2016, 10:49:59 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 21, 2016, 10:27:47 PM

Just ask PD to say 'Remember the alamo' out loud, Joe

:dead

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Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2016, 10:52:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2016, 06:04:03 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-must-weed-out-ignorant-americans-from-the-electorate/2016/05/20/f66b3e18-1c7a-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?postshare=9311463843952700&tid=ss_tw
:hitler

Something like this (http://www.ferris.edu/htmls/news/jimcrow/origins/images/al_literacy.pdf) or this (http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/question/feb12/literacytest.pdf) could work. I don't know I'm just spitballin.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 21, 2016, 10:54:32 PM

Reminds me of this for some reason: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/us/19vote.html

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“I just think if you are declared insane you should not be allowed to vote, period,” said Joseph DeLorenzo, chairman of the Cranston Board of Canvassers. “Some people are taking these two clowns and calling them disabled persons. Is insanity a disability? I have an answer to that: no. You’re insane; you’re nuts.”

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Last October, Edward Desautel, a restaurant manager running for the Rhode Island House of Representatives, learned that Mr. Sarro and Mr. Sarmento were on the voting rolls. He wrote the three-member Board of Canvassers, arguing “we don’t need the additional burden of worrying whether an incompetent child murderer’s vote might affect the outcome of a close School Committee or other local race.”

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 22, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 21, 2016, 06:04:03 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/we-must-weed-out-ignorant-americans-from-the-electorate/2016/05/20/f66b3e18-1c7a-11e6-8c7b-6931e66333e7_story.html?postshare=9311463843952700&tid=ss_tw
:hitler

Dude's a senior editor for The Federalist, so this kind of article should hardly be a surprise.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 22, 2016, 11:46:26 AM

RCP Average has Trump ahead of Clinton for the first time ever: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

2012 Obama vs. Romney polling for reference: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

2008 vs. 2012: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/election_2012_vs_election_2008_four_years_ago_today.html

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on May 22, 2016, 12:00:01 PM

This country is weird

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Post by: benjipwns on May 22, 2016, 12:13:44 PM

but becoming Great Again

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2016, 12:29:32 PM

Some of the demographic splits in those polls are kind of unbelievable- I find it hard to believe that by November, Clinton will only be beating Trump by 3 points among 18-29 year olds, losing Independents by 13, etc.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 22, 2016, 12:48:17 PM

Sorry about national polls in May brehs....

Does anyone really think Hillary is going to struggle with young voters? Once she is the official nominee her numbers will improve, but national polls will likely remain close due to who is being polled and how (landlines). Media wants a close election.

In reality Hillary will trounce him due to demographics and the electoral college. Chill.

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Post by: Mandark on May 22, 2016, 01:56:30 PM

The Department of Labor revised a rule so that more workers qualify for overtime pay.

So of course a big liberal non-profit complains (http://uspirg.org/news/usp/statement-overtime-rule) about the rule, with mostly the same rhetoric you hear from business owners.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 22, 2016, 02:02:11 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on May 22, 2016, 12:29:32 PM

Some of the demographic splits in those polls are kind of unbelievable- I find it hard to believe that by November, Clinton will only be beating Trump by 3 points among 18-29 year olds, losing Independents by 13, etc.

I've already had to delete a lot of folks off Facebook for Trump support. It's real. It's scary.

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Post by: Brehvolution on May 23, 2016, 11:16:54 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/1bI9Kfc.jpg)

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 23, 2016, 01:28:48 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 23, 2016, 12:30:55 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/734768900282454016

(http://i.imgur.com/2tFVctD.png)

Shouldn't Donald get somebody else to talk about this? I mean, isn't he pretty much a terrible person to put forth such a message, because of his many affairs and because, of, well... (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/27/ex-wife-donald-trump-made-feel-violated-during-sex.html)

Also, I'm surprised that it took this long for this article to break. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/05/donald-trump-2016-mob-organized-crime-213910) I'm not saying that Trump doesn't have a right to campaign however he likes, but calling calling out 'Crooked Hillary' and 'Sleazy Bill' really won't work to his favor in the long run, right?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2016, 02:46:41 PM

you can rape someone or put pebbles in your sister's vagina as long as you believe in climate change and abortion-on-demand  :doge

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please paypal $ to my Super PAC so I can get this post aired on television

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Post by: Syph on May 23, 2016, 02:54:25 PM

Quote from: Esch on May 23, 2016, 12:30:55 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/734768900282454016

(http://i.imgur.com/2tFVctD.png)

:neogaf

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Post by: studyguy on May 23, 2016, 07:53:48 PM

I can't believe that dude put Cornell West on. I gotta put some popcorn and wait for the fuckery.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 23, 2016, 08:05:08 PM

remember when Cornell West said Obama was the George Zimmerman of the globe (due to drones). And that's the guy you use to appeal to black people+help write the DNC platform...
(http://i.imgur.com/uxmXdXu.png)

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on May 24, 2016, 06:50:59 PM

did we already post this here?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/on-bernie-sanders-and-exp_b_10077684.html

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I’ve been a metamodernist creative writer for many years now, but had not seen an opportunity to bring this earnest, optimistic, and loving art practice into my professional writing activities until Bernie Sanders came along. Not only do I fully support and endorse Senator Sanders’ agenda, I see in his political methodology evidence of the metamodern, just as I know for certain when I hear Clinton’s cynical incrementalism that I am in the presence of a postmodern political ethos. The reason we think of Bernie Sanders as impractical or even naive is that he is; what most fail to see, however, is that his is the “informed naivete” of metamodernism. He sees that our economic and cultural markets are in a terminal state of deconstruction, and yes, this makes him angry and “negative” in a certain respect, but he sees too that the opportunity this deconstruction affords us all is a moment in which we can reconstruct everything we’ve known in a way that better reflects our values.

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Bernie Sanders’ “political revolution” is political only inasmuch as thought is political. What he is really asking us to do — or, rather, because he knows how many Americans grew up with postmodernism as their mother’s milk, what he is asking young people not so jaded to do — is participate in a metamodern Enlightenment that is, at base, a philosophical revolution. What he is saying is that, yes, a $15-an-hour minimum wage is absolutely impossible at the federal level right now, but if enough people adjust their perception at the local level to briefly imagine this impossibility as a possibility, suddenly Seattle can pass a $15-an-hour minimum wage. Then Los Angeles and San Francisco. Then New York City and D.C. Then smaller towns — perhaps a town like the one in Ohio that just passed, effective forthwith, six months’ paid maternity and paternity leave for all municipal employees. That’s an idea that has no place whatsoever here in America — that is totally foreign to the intellectual infrastructure we’ve developed — but when you find fertile soil for the impossible it really doesn’t matter how large a plot of land you’re working with. By the very nature of things — we might call it perceptual entropy — the impossible, once perceived, enters a chain of causation whose natural conclusion is realization.

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To badly paraphrase the first working “metamodernist”, David Foster Wallace...

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2016, 07:25:09 PM

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I’ve been a metamodernist creative writer for many years now

Shout out to dat boi, recursivelynumerable

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 24, 2016, 07:31:33 PM

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The problem I’ve had — that many I know have had — with experimental writing in the postmodern era is that it is deconstructive. What it shows us is only that things cannot and do not hang together over time; that we ourselves are contingent creations living in spaces that are always in the process of being compromised because they, too, are contingent. Deconstruction is thrilling because it gives the artist a sense of having exposed something, and her audience the feeling of having entered a pedagogical space in which something previously hidden is now open to view. But what we find, over time, is that having hidden things revealed to us over and over again by art finally has only the effect of reminding us that life is a many-chambered shell deliberately foreclosed to us by unseen forces. It reminds us, too, that the intentions and perceptions of other people are by and large hidden from us in — the real torture — plain sight. I see you looking at me and I wonder what you think, and I call that wonder mystery; I walk through the world every day experiencing that sensation again and again and I soon find myself calling it agony instead.

(http://i.imgur.com/Yt3vzFt.png)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 24, 2016, 07:39:36 PM

If there's anything I've learned from fiction, it's that knowing exactly what other people are thinking all the time is a far worse agony than not knowing.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 25, 2016, 01:09:41 AM

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spoiler (click to show/hide)

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 :usacry

http://grrrgraphics.com/index.html (http://grrrgraphics.com/index.html)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2016, 11:02:40 AM

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435800/mitt-romney-third-party-campaign-president-urgently-needed

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Mitt Romney, Run for President

You're the only man who can save us from future calamity.

Let’s be clear about our nation’s plight: At this moment, American voters face a choice between two historically corrupt, dishonest, and incompetent politicians.

One of them helped create the most dangerous foreign-policy environment since the Cold War, a world in which our nation faces the largest and most savage jihadist fighting force in modern times, a re-arming and potentially nuclear Iran, and the re-emergence of threats from Russia and China. The other would respond to that crisis with a collection of announced policies that range from the insane (intentionally killing women and children to punish terrorists, sending Exxon to pacify the Middle East, blocking even our Kurdish allies from entering the United States) to the reckless (ending the NATO alliance that has been the foundation of Western security for nearly 70 years).

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And at this point, Mitt Romney is the only man who combines the integrity, financial resources, name recognition, and broad public support to make a realistic independent run at the presidency. He’s conservative, he’s got an enviable record in business and government, and he’s demonstrated a unique capacity for turning around failing enterprises. Oh, and there’s one other thing: Romney has been proven right.

In 2012, Obama mocked him for declaring that Russia was America’s principal geopolitical foe. Romney was right. Well before the rise of ISIS, even as the Obama administration was trumpeting Iraq as a success story and wrapping its arms around the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Romney predicted that Obama’s policies would lead to escalating violence and chaos in the Middle East. He was right.

Romney predicted a continued middle-class squeeze. He was right. He predicted an “almost $20 trillion” deficit. He was right. And while none other than Donald Trump was mocking him for being too harsh on immigration, he was right.

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For the nation, however, there is little downside. If either Trump or Clinton win, America loses. A third-party Romney bid would introduce the chance of a different outcome, giving millions of Americans the important option to choose a man of integrity as their president. It’s not just politically important that voters have at least one honest choice, and that parents can tell their children that they stood against the debasement of American politics and the bankruptcy of our national character; it’s culturally critical.

yes we can

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Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2016, 11:04:08 AM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/281147-dems-discuss-dropping-wasserman-schultz

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Democrats on Capitol Hill are discussing whether Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz should step down as Democratic National Committee (DNC) chairwoman before the party’s national convention in July.

Democrats backing likely presidential nominee Hillary Clinton worry Wasserman Schultz has become too divisive a figure to unify the party in 2016, which they say is crucial to defeating presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump in November.

Wasserman Schultz has had an increasingly acrimonious relationship with the party’s other presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders, and his supporters, who argue she has tilted the scales in Clinton’s favor.
“There have been a lot of meetings over the past 48 hours about what color plate do we deliver Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s head on,” said one pro-Clinton Democratic senator.

The lawmaker said senators huddled on the chamber floor last week to talk about Wasserman Schultz’s future and estimated that about a dozen have weighed in during private conversations.

“I don’t see how she can continue to the election. How can she open the convention? Sanders supporters would go nuts,” said the lawmaker, who requested anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the discussions.

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A senior Senate Democratic aide said, “There’s a strong sentiment that the current situation is untenable and can only be fixed by her leaving. There’s too much water under the bridge for her to be a neutral arbiter.”

Another Democratic senator who supports Clinton said Wasserman Schultz will hurt her chances of rallying the liberal base in the fall.

“We need to get this figured out and come together,” said the lawmaker. “Hillary’s got the nomination. She needs Bernie’s energy. It’s time for her to accommodate. It’s time to pick hard-nosed people to cut through things and figure out a deal.

“They need to know this is their party,” the lawmaker said, observing that if Wasserman Schultz were to be replaced as party leader, young liberals may become more enthusiastic about the ticket.

Lawmakers who have discussed the end of Wasserman Schultz’s tenure acknowledge the fate would be unfair because she’s worked hard to help the party. But they say the greater priority is to mollify restive liberals backing Sanders.

no we can't

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Post by: Kara on May 25, 2016, 12:11:54 PM

Quote from: Mandark on May 22, 2016, 01:56:30 PM

The Department of Labor revised a rule so that more workers qualify for overtime pay.

So of course a big liberal non-profit complains (http://uspirg.org/news/usp/statement-overtime-rule) about the rule, with mostly the same rhetoric you hear from business owners.

There's a very strong mentality in the non-profit sector (from my experience within its accounting field) that because its members are not operating for profit*, they should be excused from following laws they find inconvenient. (Sales tax, for example.) At least this group is lobbying in public instead of quietly not following the law.

*They are, of course, it's just that people think non-profit means "doesn’t have to generate a profit" and thus these entities are special snowflakes instead of what they are: exempted from fiduciary duty to a class of shareholders.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 25, 2016, 02:50:24 PM

Hey Benji and Kara, what can you tell me about copiosis?

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 25, 2016, 04:29:20 PM

With Hillary's e-mail investigation and now Terry McAuliffe under investigation, someone in the FBI really really doesn't want the Clintons back in the White House.

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Post by: studyguy on May 25, 2016, 04:31:29 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/05/25/gop-strategist-trumps-attacks-on-clinton-over-whitewater-are-lunacy/

Yo Whitewater? Party like it's 92/93 again I guess. What year is it?
 :huh

What kind of weak shit is this? Seems worse than the Sanders crew throwing whatever they could at the wall to see what stuck against Clinton. At least their issues were more or less concerning shit that isn't 2 decades old.

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Post by: Kara on May 25, 2016, 05:14:36 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on May 25, 2016, 02:50:24 PM

Hey Benji and Kara, what can you tell me about copiosis?

My good friend and ideological enemy benji will ruthlessly mock it if he reads about it.

A lot of it is not (to use their obvious tech nomenclature) innovative, to the point where I'm not sure if it's actual syncretism or its creators are yet another product of the End of History. For example, as a reader of Bukharin I experienced quite a bit of déjà vu (https://www.marxists.org/archive/bukharin/works/1920/abc/03.htm#021) when reading about how their economic system is going to operate administratively. There is liberal borrowing from Moka exchange (something that exists) and parecon (which doesn't exist... but parecon kitty is still watching you (http://libcom.org/files/images/library/parecon-cat.jpg) nonetheless).

I don't want to give a thorough list of reasons that I wouldn't sign up, but the "original sin" of this to me is that it is built upon the notion of "human nature" (which I don't subscribe to unless you mean that in biological sense or something very rudimentary like "makes stuff" and "loves pictures of cats on the internet") while talking about changing human perceptions, something that indicates humans are in fact malleable and not possessing of innate and specific natures. Piss or get off the pot, mates.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 25, 2016, 06:33:08 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on May 25, 2016, 04:29:20 PM

With Hillary's e-mail investigation and now Terry McAuliffe under investigation, someone in the FBI really really doesn't want the Clintons back in the White House.

More like Clintons and their surrogates have always been tied to petty scandals. I don't say that to go into an AiA-esque rant but moreso just pointing out it's nothing new. Benji might disagree  :doge but Obama has run a pretty damn tight ship with little to no scandals. That's pretty damn amazing when compared to the W, Clinton, and Reagan admins. Not to mention social media's ascent and how easily a scandal could get out to the people.

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Post by: Mupepe on May 25, 2016, 07:29:35 PM

Hillary's whole email debacle is a clear indicator that she exercises poor judgement and is not fit to be commander in chief.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2016, 07:45:33 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 25, 2016, 07:00:33 PM

I'd like to round up every man woman and manchild on the planet talking about how Hillary's emails should disqualify her for the presidency or land her in prison, dump them all on an island, and then drop napalm all over the island.

What would Ambassador Stevens do?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2016, 07:50:32 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on May 25, 2016, 02:50:24 PM

Hey Benji and Kara, what can you tell me about copiosis?

Quote from: Kara on May 25, 2016, 05:14:36 PM

My good friend and ideological enemy benji will ruthlessly mock it if he reads about it.

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I'm making human society better for everyone...

By becoming a Copiosis patron, you'll enable me and my growing team continue to create the ultimate artistic work: a new, evolved human society through Copiosis. It’s the American Way way better!

Through Copiosis, everybody can live fabulously prosperous lives. How? First, we eliminate everyone’s debt.  All of it. Creditors are left whole (no one loses anything). Next, everybody gets high-quality food, clothing, education, healthcare and shelter at no cost to them. Copiosis, eliminates most crime, unemployment, money & financial markets, governments,  jobs that produce no real value and the need to earn a living. In Copiosis you choose work matching your values, passions, aspirations and interests. If that work makes people and the Earth better off, you can live a life you thought was impossible.

What would you do if that was your reality? We need your help getting the word out and funding our demonstration projects.


It’s bold. But aren’t all world-changing, artistic works?

2001: A Space Odessey, Guernica, Nineteen Eighty-Four. These artistic works represent huge milestones in their respective genres and continue to influence humanity. They were bold, extraordinary artistic works.

Now we have Copiosis. People are calling Copiosis:
 
“The most well thought out, detailed innovation I’ve ever seen”

“Extraordinary in its comprehensiveness. You’ve thought of everything.”

“The most impressive, comprehensive, optimistic solution I’ve ever seen to our world problems”

and

“One of the most strategically sound direct actions I can spend effort on"

Copiosis is a socioeconomic system that provides each person with high quality food, clothing, shelter, education, and healthcare at no cost. People producing these things are well rewarded. Luxuries - anything beyond basic needs - require you to accumulate what we call net-benefit reward by benefiting people or the Earth. We expect to eliminate money, government, corporations, and most crime. What do we replace these with? A vibrant, free-trade socioeconomic system in which you can legitimately pursue your creative dreams in a prosperous, generous, safer, vibrant better world.   

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Ray, a volunteer once described our accomplishments happening as fast as "greased lightening." We could use your help keeping up with ourselves! Here’s what we’ve accomplished so far:

We have two real-world demonstration project operating with over 30 families participating
We have at least seven more demonstration projects in various planning stages
Attracted over 600 enthusiasts in 35 countries who LOVE what we’re doing and are telling others
We completed the Net Benefit Algorithm (V6) which is fundamental to our innovation
We completed our MVP software which is poised for use in our upcoming demonstration projects and we’re working on a newer better version in Linux
I have published two books on my innovation, hundreds of blog posts explaining it and our social media properties are gaining more and more interest.
We have people excited, hope-filled and convinced Copiosis is the solution to our world problems.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B1qRNCZZgNwPTGdqNWJYZjVaSWM/view

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Objective

The Net Benefit Reward (NBR) algorithm calculates how much Net Benefit Award (NBA) Producers get when

people consume their products and services. At the heart of the algorithm is the NBR formula. Version 6 of this

formula, described below, will be used during various demonstration projects, the first one being in the Kenton

Neighborhood in Portland, Oregon, the second in Chico, California.

Goals

This proposal updates the NBA algorithm proposed in “Net Benefit Calculation Algorithm Proposal” to version 6.

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Modifications:

• Eliminates the E (effort) variable

• Changes operators in the CPDB expression from subtraction to addition

• Changes the operator between CPDB and the rest of the formula from multiplication to addition

• Changes the operator in CCB from addition to multiplication

• Changed the positions of the two remaining variables in CPDB.

Adam Silver likes what he sees:

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All other variables being equal, as Consumer Benefit increases, the amount of NBA should increase.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 25, 2016, 08:05:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3XQFUP1.jpg)

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Post by: Tasty on May 25, 2016, 08:21:48 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Yw9soxl.png)

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Post by: Kara on May 25, 2016, 08:46:10 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on May 25, 2016, 08:05:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3XQFUP1.jpg)

Um hello, we have to have World War III first. Why bother to reboot the series in canon if people are going to be this ignorant of it. smgdh.

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Post by: studyguy on May 25, 2016, 09:35:51 PM

Star Trek.
 :nerds

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2016, 09:49:33 PM

Quote from: Kara on May 25, 2016, 08:46:10 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on May 25, 2016, 08:05:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3XQFUP1.jpg)

Um hello, we have to have World War III first. Why bother to reboot the series in canon if people are going to be this ignorant of it. smgdh.

tfw the 90's passed and we ain't even had the Eugenics War yet

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 25, 2016, 10:09:10 PM

Shit better start pumping out the super Indians then

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Post by: bluemax on May 26, 2016, 12:25:11 AM

There were Bernie Bros dancing above the 405 tonight to drive attention to their lit up "Vote For Bernie" sign tonight. He fucking lost already get over it.

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Post by: Mandark on May 26, 2016, 01:18:52 AM

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/735689625407131648

lolwut

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Post by: Atramental on May 26, 2016, 01:32:15 AM

(https://imgur.com/HdnodQl.jpg)


Meme magic is real.  :doge

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Post by: VomKriege on May 26, 2016, 04:04:07 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 26, 2016, 01:18:52 AM

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/735689625407131648

lolwut

You would be sad too if you couldn't do the big wheel at the end of your trip to the fair.
Maybe they can set up a pay-per-view too.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on May 26, 2016, 04:14:56 AM

Trump has been trolling Sanders to run as an independent for the past few weeks.  Also it was a big mistake to cancel the California rally:

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However, a Public Policy Institute of California poll released late Wednesday suggested that state voters do not necessarily agree that the Democratic primary is a settled issue.

The poll showed Clinton and Sanders in a dead heat, with the former secretary of state at 46 percent and the Vermont senator at 44 percent among likely Democratic primary voters. It also showed her less than invincible in a general election, with a 49 to 39 percent lead over Donald Trump in a state where GOP registration is just 28 percent.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Clinton-breaks-a-California-promise-7945454.php?t=c85267e95800af33be&cmpid=twitter-premium

Hillary's constant ball dropping is biting her in the ass.  Remember at this time in the polling in 2008 and 2012, Obama was ahead of the competition and it wasn't even close; in 2016, Trump is now marginally ahead of Clinton.  She better get her shit together because this isn't anywhere close to being wrapped up, as much as the Nate Silver set desperately hopes.  The demographic game doesn't work if your base can't stand the nominee.

I can't wait for her to reverse her decision to have the debate, Sanders refuses, and then overpaid and worthless pundits whine about Sanders not doing what Clinton wants him to do.

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Post by: Broseidon on May 26, 2016, 07:09:57 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/tLjfe8L.png)

Al Qaeda calling out Fox News :heh

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Post by: octopushover on May 26, 2016, 08:16:02 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on May 26, 2016, 04:14:56 AM

Trump has been trolling Sanders to run as an independent for the past few weeks.  Also it was a big mistake to cancel the California rally:

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However, a Public Policy Institute of California poll released late Wednesday suggested that state voters do not necessarily agree that the Democratic primary is a settled issue.

The poll showed Clinton and Sanders in a dead heat, with the former secretary of state at 46 percent and the Vermont senator at 44 percent among likely Democratic primary voters. It also showed her less than invincible in a general election, with a 49 to 39 percent lead over Donald Trump in a state where GOP registration is just 28 percent.

http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/editorials/article/Clinton-breaks-a-California-promise-7945454.php?t=c85267e95800af33be&cmpid=twitter-premium

Hillary's constant ball dropping is biting her in the ass.  Remember at this time in the polling in 2008 and 2012, Obama was ahead of the competition and it wasn't even close; in 2016, Trump is now marginally ahead of Clinton.  She better get her shit together because this isn't anywhere close to being wrapped up, as much as the Nate Silver set desperately hopes.  The demographic game doesn't work if your base can't stand the nominee.

I can't wait for her to reverse her decision to have the debate, Sanders refuses, and then overpaid and worthless pundits whine about Sanders not doing what Clinton wants him to do.

Sanders is already breaking a promise by agreeing to debate Trump. Running as a Democrat means agreeing to their rules.

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Post by: TVC15 on May 26, 2016, 08:44:47 AM

Quote from: Mandark on May 26, 2016, 01:18:52 AM

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/735689625407131648

lolwut

I can't believe Bernie is this easily manipulated.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 10:51:28 AM

As expected Trump is saying it was all a joke and he won't debate. Sanders looking desperate as fuck.

MTW: put some money on Sanders winning California. Predictt thread is on the first page. Hillary will win handily.

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Post by: octopushover on May 26, 2016, 11:09:05 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 10:51:28 AM

As expected Trump is saying it was all a joke and he won't debate. Sanders looking desperate as fuck.

MTW: put some money on Sanders winning California. Predictt thread is on the first page. Hillary will win handily.

Trump just pulled a DOWN LOW? TOO SLOW! on an old man. It's like my grandpa is alive again.  :fbm

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on May 26, 2016, 11:18:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 10:51:28 AM

As expected Trump is saying it was all a joke and he won't debate. Sanders looking desperate as fuck.

MTW: put some money on Sanders winning California. Predictt thread is on the first page. Hillary will win handily.

I already made a bunch of money on Sanders yes today :lawd

Holding until resolution  :yuck

If I've learned anything about that site, it's that it's much better to find a market that has the potential to swing around just buy whatever's cheapest and unload it for a modest profit without getting too greedy -- also, patience

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Post by: studyguy on May 26, 2016, 11:43:57 AM

Sanders at this point is literally that thirsty dude out there waiting to take a chance on whoever gives him the time of day.  :lol

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 26, 2016, 03:33:43 PM

Ken Starr getting Vince Fostered down in Waco. Janet Reno sends her regards, bitch.  :aah

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Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 03:49:18 PM

The shills are out in full force:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/05/bernie-sanders-clinton/484439/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/26/the-racist-side-of-bernie-sanders-supporters.html

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While thankfully, I have someone who works for me and wades through much of my mail and social media so I can spend as much time as possible writing (and maintaining my sanity and sense of humor), for more than a week Sanders supporters flooded my accounts with nonstop accusations—one more over the top than the next. I am “a disgrace,” “a liar,” a secret paid Hillary Clinton “mole” or “shill.” Apparently it is beyond the realm of possibility that I, as a free-thinking individual with access to polling data and a fairly vigorous intellect of my own may not consider their chosen candidate a strong one. Simply not possible. After all, as one white Sanders supporter informed me: “You need to be better informed on the needs of Black people.” Thanks for the tip!

But there were a couple of messages that made their way to me that were particularly troubling. One Sanders supporter pleaded on Facebook for others to stop attacking me and try to “inform me” (Again this denotes I couldn’t possibly be educated because I don’t agree with them, but at least he sounded civil). To which another replied, “She chooses to ignore the issues and work for her own personal interest. If that is the case than to me everything is allowed as long as it’s not physical violence.”

Consider that statement for a moment.

Elitist shill. I don't have anyone to read my mail and social media for me!

Dictated but not read.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 03:51:35 PM

benji's blockquotes, fair and balanced:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/05/26/sen-orrin-hatch-reacts-to-meeting-with-merrick-garland-before-it-occurs/

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Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-Utah) hasn’t yet met with Supreme Court nominee Merrick B. Garland for what has been a long anticipated encounter between the former Judiciary Committee chairman and the federal appeals court judge he has long praised.

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“Like many of my Senate colleagues, I recently met with Chief Judge Merrick Garland, President Obama’s nominee to the Supreme Court. … Our meeting, however, does not change my conviction that the Senate should consider a Supreme Court nominee after this presidential election cycle,” Hatch wrote in an op-ed published on the website of the Deseret News early Thursday morning and later removed. It remains available in a Google database.

Paul Edwards, the executive editor of the Deseret News, on Thursday described the piece as a draft that was “awaiting edits from the Senator following his meeting with Judge Garland” and was published inadvertently. “We apologize to Senator Hatch and our readers for this unfortunate error,” he said.

“Senator Hatch has made clear from the beginning that he intends to meet with Judge Garland out of respect for their longtime friendship,” Hatch spokesman J.P. Freire said. “He looks forward to their meeting and the opportunity to explain his position on the current Supreme Court vacancy.”

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Hatch, in the op-ed, praises Garland’s “character and credentials” and his “excellent reputation” in the legal community. “I met with Judge Garland as a personal friend and out of respect for his position as a distinguished federal judge,” he writes.

But he continues: “This decision is about the confirmation process and has nothing to do with the qualifications, character or record of the nominee. The reasons for considering a nominee after the political fireworks of a presidential election remain just as compelling today as they were in February following Justice Scalia’s death. In fact, the bitterness, pressure tactics, ad campaigns and political grandstanding since then have only confirmed that we made the right decision.”

Hatch’s meeting with Garland would the the judge’s 16th meeting with a GOP senator. Freire declined to say when the meeting is scheduled, and the White House, which is managing Garland’s meetings with senators, declined to comment.

Typical left wing media bias, Hatch finds a free market efficient solution to save time/money and they all whine and are still going to have the meetings.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 26, 2016, 03:57:42 PM

Can we replace benji with reddit's TLDR bot at this point?

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Post by: IrishNinja on May 26, 2016, 05:46:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 26, 2016, 10:51:28 AM

As expected Trump is saying it was all a joke and he won't debate. Sanders looking desperate as fuck.

still not seeing how anyone other than diehard berniebros thought this would've been a good idea - at best, it's trump PR and bernie played like a fiddle, at worst?  you'd get to see an irrelevant old man get steamrolled live

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Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 05:48:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7hM4FgeuO4

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Post by: curly on May 26, 2016, 10:46:14 PM

Good guy Bernie distracting from Hillary's coming indictment

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Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 10:50:40 PM

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The Republican National Committee has dedicated hundreds of thousands of dollars to bring the band Journey to Cleveland for a post-convention bash.

One source familiar with the details of the event said that the total cost of booking Journey is about $750,000. Another source has indicated the RNC has $500,000 to spend on the event.

The concert, slated to take place at Cleveland’s State Theatre, will be the capstone of the four-day Republican National Convention at Quicken Loans Arena in mid-July
...
"The RNC has not signed Journey," said Katie Walsh, the committee's chief of staff, said in a statement. "This is 100% false."

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Post by: Kara on May 26, 2016, 11:17:41 PM

Don't stop... believing?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 11:56:02 PM

Here we stand
Worlds apart, hearts broken in two, two, two
Sleepless nights, losing ground
I'm reachin' for you, you, you

Feelin' that it's gone
Can change your mind
If we can't go on
To survive the tide love divides

Someday love will find you
Break those chains that bind you
One night will remind you
How we touched and went our separate ways
If he ever hurts you
True love won't desert you
You know I still love you
Though we touched and went our separate ways

Troubled times
Caught between confusion and pain, pain, pain
Distant eyes
Promises we made were in vain, in vain, vain

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Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2016, 12:10:48 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCWJINpJx88

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Post by: Kara on May 27, 2016, 12:58:13 AM

Imagine being so afraid that your imaginary friend wasn't real that you talked about Matt Damon movies on the floor of the United States Congress. And not even the good ones like The Rainmaker or The Adjustment Bureau, but the bad ones like Titan A.E.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2016, 01:01:14 AM

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sonoki827 hours ago
This is epic!  Pascal's wager, transgenderism, Matt Damon, Jonathan Cahn's Harbinger bullshit, gay marriage, space colonization, and the abolition of the First Amendment.  All in under 5 minutes!

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2016, 01:05:21 AM

Terran are definitely pretty gay.

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Post by: Kara on May 27, 2016, 01:07:23 AM

Quote from: Esch on May 27, 2016, 01:04:15 AM

I'm not watching that but Gay Space Colonies sounds like an interesting avenue of speculative fiction

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Gundam wing being a seminal work? Please respond. :doge

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Treize Khushrenada was straighter than a one dollar bill. :bolo

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Post by: bluemax on May 27, 2016, 01:26:02 AM

Too late to find the tweet but apparently Bernie Sanders said he wants this Trump debate in the biggest stadium in the world and someone posted a tweet saying it could get awkward with an image of a list of the largest stadiums in the world.

The biggest one is in North Korea.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 27, 2016, 01:26:07 AM

Bernie Sanders
‏@BernieSanders

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I am delighted that @realDonaldTrump has agreed to debate. Let’s do it in the biggest stadium possible.

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[–]ShoahShuffle

Best part of it all is this: The audience won't be filled with shills by the DNC/RNC, it's going to be regular people in those seats.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2016, 01:38:51 AM

The twist, the moderator will be Hillary Clinton.

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Post by: Kara on May 27, 2016, 01:41:09 AM

Quote from: bluemax on May 27, 2016, 01:26:02 AM

Too late to find the tweet but apparently Bernie Sanders said he wrants this Trump debate in the biggest stadium in the world and someone posted a tweet saying it could get awkward with an image of a list of the largest stadiums in the world.

The biggest one is in North Korea.

Yet another triumph of the Juche Ideal.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 27, 2016, 03:01:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpdYgXz4esQ

 :o

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Post by: Tasty on May 27, 2016, 01:01:22 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on May 27, 2016, 03:30:27 AM

DIAF, benji, you fucktard hack.

:dead

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2016, 01:34:01 PM

I would be sad if benji died, tbh.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 27, 2016, 01:57:16 PM

Unless Walrus' hate manifested itself in a pyrokinetic flame causing benji to DIAF.  Then I'd be more like 'whoa dude' than sad. 

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Post by: Samson Manhug on May 27, 2016, 03:19:50 PM

Walrus is going to be one hell of an internet commenter when he’s as old as Baby Boomer commenters are now.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 27, 2016, 04:13:06 PM

I'm going to be bummed when Walrus has to withdraw his name from nomination as economic adviser to the president when his Bore posts are discovered in 20 years.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on May 27, 2016, 04:51:07 PM

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Demi can be bought.

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Post by: studyguy on May 27, 2016, 06:27:34 PM

The entire Trump/Sanders debate episode.  :neogaf

Like history classes in the future are just gonna get to the 2016 primary and be like.  :holeup

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Post by: brawndolicious on May 27, 2016, 06:37:27 PM

A hundred years from now when we're all living on cyborg implants, kids will be asking us why Republicans never noticed changing times and rallied behind a non white male or universal health care or some basic changes to the message they're giving. Then I will try to explain to them and then give up and tell them to go read a book and they won't know what a book is.

At least we didn't live through the civil rights era.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 27, 2016, 06:41:32 PM

Your cybernetic children will still be living through the civil rights era.   In the year 2116 naturally born black children at age 7 will be learning a rate of 7TB/s less than their white counter parts.  Statistics don't lie. 

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Cybernetic Asians will still be better at math and still bad at driving

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 27, 2016, 06:57:10 PM

Cybernetic Lives Matter

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Post by: Kara on May 27, 2016, 07:49:49 PM

Getting the accompanying cybertechnology for the cyberpunk dystopia in which we already live. Wiz. :aah

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Post by: Tasty on May 28, 2016, 01:54:54 AM

You guys acting like humanity will get that far.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Aqk2RInURP7H2/200.gif)

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Post by: VomKriege on May 28, 2016, 06:33:16 AM

Sanders now engaged in petty fights with AIDS activists ("Big pharma shills") for overstating what their meeting consisted of.
 :umad  :paul

Back then when his campaign used Papal quotes I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but there's definitely a pattern here... I also didn't know he said Planned Parenthood was part of the Establishment when they endorsed Clinton.  :lol

Credit where it's due, didn't expect him to go full kook.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 28, 2016, 07:27:04 AM

Funnily I didn't realize : People are talking about fascism and Mussolini with regards to Trump but the closest comparison, and probably more truthful roadmap of what you'd get with a Trump administration, would probably be this guy (which Europeans, me included, seemed to have blacked out) :

(http://i.imgur.com/gIBtx8x.jpg)

Except Silvio's was both Trump and Murdoch (and certainly more of a longtime shadow political force) and held a less critical position in world politics.
Below nuclear war but still pretty bad.

EDIT : Wouldn't be surprised that's actually the model of Trump's staff, now that I think about it. Italy being a parliamentary system probably helped, and Drumpf do not have his own political party, but I would be fearful of the complacent narrative that Trump surely can't win the general election.

EDIT : Decent article from last year on the subject.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2015/09/21/donald-trump-is-americas-silvio-berlusconi/

Well, googling it shows me that most US political analysts caught on a few months ago.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 28, 2016, 10:55:42 AM

http://www.wmtw.com/news/man-in-need-of-kidney-denied-transplant/39764878

disgusting 

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Post by: Kara on May 28, 2016, 05:50:12 PM

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2016/05/25/how-the-puerto-rico-bill-attacks-the-minimum-wage/

It's like no one learned anything from the debacle in Saipan (or previous attempts to create growth in Puerto Rico via legislative incentive).

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Post by: curly on May 29, 2016, 12:18:25 AM

https://twitter.com/RussoJetsFan/status/736740491610476545 (https://twitter.com/RussoJetsFan/status/736740491610476545)

Libertarians  :goty2

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2016, 12:23:50 AM

Doesn't Johnson know that the market would have fixed the problem eventually? After all, if you don't allow blacks to eat at your restaurant that just means another business can win them as customers, and sooner or later the racist business will go out of business  :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 12:35:24 AM

It's a recurring attack line from Austin Petersen in all the debates. Started a couple months ago.

This was the only time the debates have ever gotten testy, from the Las Vegas one last week. LGBT guy asks audience question about religious freedom laws, McAfee and Petersen's responses follow: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1B3UBvxlH8#t=1h3m14s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1B3UBvxlH8#t=1h3m14s)
GJ opposes them and Petersen goes after him for not protecting the right to discriminate and not knowing all the details of the Civil Rights Act of 1964: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1B3UBvxlH8#t=1h5m35s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1B3UBvxlH8#t=1h5m35s)

From the Stossel debate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COItiKtHWyg

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 12:37:01 AM

Something from this election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9fefU1AJeM

Something from this elections greatest analyst:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMERNoQm5DE

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2016, 12:41:41 AM

Not sure making a Jewish person bake a german chocolate Nazi cake is analogous here.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 12:44:50 AM

In Gary Johnson's totalitarian state, black homosexuals will be forced to eat a Trump cake made out of his hair, but not at the Walgreens counter.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 12:58:06 AM

McAfee was making a little run but Petersen has been the frontrunner in every party online poll since the Stossel debate.

Why Republicans Should Vote Libertarian This Year, According to Libertarian Party Members (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5aDwdRmVBY)

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CatMan DO6 hours ago
The only thing i heard from libertarians from the last 8 years was Sowden,  pot and how Christians are religious nut-bars.  When ask why you would not vote Cruz, it is because you all said because he was a Christian. So no i am not going to vote for you this time around. I am going to tell all my friends not to vote for you nor listen to your ideas.

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AKlover10 hours ago
Elect Hillary Clinton president.........vote Libertarian.......especially in swing states!

Is Trump even close to ideal, NO!  Would he be an improvement over Hillary Clinton, marginally yes.  Note the establishment Republicans are all in lockstep against him and conclude correctly that this is encouraging.  I want the system to burn but I don't want WW3 to start so I will go vote for Trump.

Trying to organize individuals into a herd is why the Libertarian Party will always fail coupled with the amount of people who feed from the government trough.  When that money gets cut off you will find Libertarians will be 1/2 the population till that day voting is a mitigating/triage action.

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Soopermensch10 hours ago
No libertarians or republicans are ever going to get elected ever again if Clinton opens the borders and gives amnesty to all the illegals.

Don't spoil the vote for Trump.

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WE'RE GOOD NOW10 hours ago
There will never be a libertarian president, and there will never be another republican president if Hillary wins and the demographics of this nation are changed to the point of no return. This is an inconvenient fact that Reason will never address because they'd lose their liberal friends.

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Candidate Austin Petersen Says He's the "Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama" of the Libertarian Party (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpSdURdBxKg)
Libertarian John McAfee's Campaign to Tear Down The Political System (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MobTJolSyUE)

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Dave M  6 hours ago
Fucking mcafee. Took 1 question for him to go completely off the rails

:bow :american :bow2


Meanwhile also at the Libertarian Convention:
(http://i.imgur.com/bDosmO6.jpg)

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Post by: Kara on May 29, 2016, 01:07:35 AM

which one are you voting for, benji

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Post by: Kara on May 29, 2016, 01:09:59 AM

the psl picks the candidate for me (democratic centralism ftw), so i can rest easy knowing that i don't have to pick a side on the great nazi cake jewish baker debate

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2016, 01:26:11 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 12:58:06 AM

Meanwhile also at the Libertarian Convention:
(http://i.imgur.com/bDosmO6.jpg)

Why does she have Donald Trump's hair?

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 01:30:02 AM

Quote from: Kara on May 29, 2016, 01:07:35 AM

which one are you voting for, benji

(http://i.imgur.com/mY5jDOp.gif)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 10:55:27 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZRog0xUsAA0opL.png)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 29, 2016, 01:22:51 PM

Isn't she a resident evil character? 

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 01:29:33 PM

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Gary Johnson 518 56.0%
Austin Petersen 203 21.9%
John McAfee 131 14.2%
Darryl Perry 52 5.6%
Marc Allen Feldman 18 1.9%
Others 3 0.3%statist slaver scum take over another party nomination

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Post by: Rufus on May 29, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 29, 2016, 01:22:51 PM

Isn't she a resident evil character?

Now that you say it...
If she had short hair that would be indistinguishable from Ada Wong cosplay.

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Post by: Tasty on May 29, 2016, 02:16:25 PM

Looks like Sanders has a legit scandal (and not in the wishy-washy email way.)

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1225138
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/education/2014/08/15/financial-questions-dog-burlington-college/14117505/
https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughsandersspam/comments/4litt1/lawyers_representing_church_that_lost_2_million/d3nocil

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The Synopsis: Jane Sanders was president of Burlington College in Burlington, Vermont some time ago and decided to purchase a local church property for the school. This purchase required a $10 million loan. The school didn't make nearly enough to pay it back, so the school went under and the church took a $2 million loss. Jane lost her position at the college and was given a $200,000 severance package.

The lawyers representing the church just sent this letter to Bernie Sanders claiming there is no way that Jane would have been able to get the loan on her own and that he improperly used his influence as a United States Senator to affect the decision making of the bank by having his office contact them. That's illegal. Now the lawyers are calling on Sanders to release all documents related to the loan, his wife's severance, and any communications he had with the bank. This is backed by the Freedom of Information Act.

Trump vs. Sanders debate when?

(https://s3.amazonaws.com/wp-ag/wp-content/uploads/sites/72/2015/12/hillary-clinton-laughing-bill-clinton.gif)

More and more stuff like this will come up the longer Bernie stays in the race. It's why the claims he's more "electable" than Hillary are farcical - he had appeared more electable because nobody bothered to vet him until now. Dude should have dropped out a month ago, now he'll have this event define his entire campaign for all of history.

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 02:19:17 PM

https://twitter.com/votesuegooge/status/689200493751570434
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZCIMmjWUAIfbCs.jpg:large)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZPn8OLWAAECWzM.jpg:large)

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Post by: Kara on May 29, 2016, 02:27:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 01:29:33 PM

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Gary Johnson 518 56.0%
Austin Petersen 203 21.9%
John McAfee 131 14.2%
Darryl Perry 52 5.6%
Marc Allen Feldman 18 1.9%
Others 3 0.3%statist slaver scum take over another party nomination

One thing not a surprise because Wyoh and I pushed it through during time we still amounted to something in government: a brass cannon on a pedestal in middle of Old Dome and over it a flag fluttering in blower breeze--black field speckled with stars, bar sinister in blood, a proud and jaunty brass cannon embroidered over all, and below it our motto: TANSTAAFL! That's where we hold our Fourth-of-July celebrations.

You get only what you pay for--Prof knew and paid, gaily.

But Prof underrated yammerheads. They never adopted any of his ideas. Seems to be a deep instinct in human beings for making everything compulsory that isn't forbidden. Prof got fascinated by possibilities for shaping future that lay in a big, smart computer--and lost track of things closer home.

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But now I wonder. Are food riots too high a price to pay to let people be? I don't know.

Don't know any answers.

Wish I could ask Mike.

 :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry :tocry

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Post by: D3RANG3D on May 29, 2016, 02:35:56 PM

Mexicans, will just hire Mongolians to deal with that wall.

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Post by: Kara on May 29, 2016, 02:39:23 PM

I like that she's wearing a telnyashka. All those anti-commie types secretly lust after AK-47s and leaders who get shit done like Koba-kun.

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Post by: VomKriege on May 29, 2016, 05:14:10 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZgyKfOWEAA6VQu.png)

 :ohhh Checkmate statism.

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Post by: Syph on May 29, 2016, 06:10:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 10:55:27 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZRog0xUsAA0opL.png)

that google font
 :beli

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2016, 06:58:44 PM

https://twitter.com/sparksjls/status/737040917513838593

is this you Benji

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Post by: Kara on May 29, 2016, 07:06:27 PM

The Internal Revenue Service released their tax statistics for 2013 corporate tax returns this week. (Well I got the email about it this week.) Some highlights for your viewing pleasure.

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Of the 5.9 million active corporations for Tax Year 2013, approximately 4.3 million were passthrough entities. These entities include RICs, REITs and S corporations [1]. Passthrough entities pay little or no Federal income tax at the corporate level. By law, they are required to pass any profits or losses to their shareholders, where they are taxed at the individual rate.

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About 819,000 non-passthrough corporations reported net income for 2013. Of these, 61 percent [so 499,590 corporations in total -ed.] had a tax liability, compared to 14 percent of all corporations with net income.

Much like the estate tax being an irrelevance for most of America, the corporate income tax is similarly a nonfactor, despite the constant squawking about it in Washington or from policy wonks who think the tax code is an appropriate vehicle for economic development.

Regarding the shift to pass-through entities, bear in mind that tax generated by such income can be reduced by the patchwork of welfare for the well-to-do found on individual income tax returns that would be laughed at if anyone tried to take them as a business deduction on a C corporation tax return. (For example, the home mortgage interest deduction, property taxes paid on secondary homes or property--yes, I said secondary--et cetera.)

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Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 11:19:17 PM

(http://static2.politico.com/dims4/default/226422f/2147483647/resize/1160x%3E/quality/90/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.politico.com%2F48%2F75%2F746161834db59679aec048e82bc1%2F160528-libertarian-msm-9-1160.jpg)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 30, 2016, 07:02:37 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on May 29, 2016, 06:58:44 PM

https://twitter.com/sparksjls/status/737040917513838593

is this you Benji

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/libertarian-party-chair-candidate-strips-on-stage-during-national-convention-a7055751.html

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Post by: Crash Dummy on May 30, 2016, 07:59:40 AM

Quote from: Kara on May 29, 2016, 07:06:27 PM

Much like the estate tax being an irrelevance for most of America, the corporate income tax is similarly a nonfactor, despite the constant squawking about it in Washington or from policy wonks who think the tax code is an appropriate vehicle for economic development.

Regarding the shift to pass-through entities, bear in mind that tax generated by such income can be reduced by the patchwork of welfare for the well-to-do found on individual income tax returns that would be laughed at if anyone tried to take them as a business deduction on a C corporation tax return. (For example, the home mortgage interest deduction, property taxes paid on secondary homes or property--yes, I said secondary--et cetera.)

that's not unique to the u.s, i like to tell new grads who've joined the corporate tax dept that ct will disappear soon and be entirely supplanted by indirect tax soon

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Post by: brob on May 30, 2016, 08:08:18 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/gallery/2016/05/libertarian-party-convention-photos-000638?slide=0


 :doge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on May 30, 2016, 08:24:11 AM

wow that's embarrassing. 

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Post by: Human Snorenado on May 30, 2016, 12:01:59 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on May 30, 2016, 08:24:11 AM

wow that's embarrassing.

There's probably no better way to sum up libertarianism in 3 words, tbh

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Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2016, 01:43:26 PM

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Over the Memorial Day Weekend, Bill Kristol doubled down on his betrayal of this country with a pair of tweets:

“Just a heads up over this holiday weekend: There will be an independent candidate — an impressive one, with a strong team and a real chance,” Kristol tweeted.

He also said, “Those accused of betraying GOP by opposing Trump can take heart from P. Henry 251 years ago today: ‘If this be treason, make the most of it!’”

This fatuous invocation of an American patriot to justify the betrayal typifies the arrogant disregard for political realities shared by all those involved in a defection that could produce even greater disasters than the Obama era’s 400,000 deaths by jihad and 20 million refugees across the Middle East.

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The Democrats reversal — and betrayal of our men and women in arms — was triggered by a presidential primary in which a left-wing candidate, Howard Dean, was running away with the Democratic nomination. This betrayal prevented us from pursuing Saddam’s generals and chemical weapons into Syria, and bringing Assad to heel. Bush managed to rescue the war effort and defeat al-Qaeda on the battlefield through the “surge” that Democrats opposed. But then, Obama took charge and implemented the Democrats’ America-is-guilty platform of appeasement and retreat, creating a power vacuum in Iraq and Syria that ISIS quickly filled. At the same time, the Democrats have systematically taken down our military which is now at its lowest levels since World War II.

This is the issue that defines the coming election. A party in denial about the Muslim holy war against America and its allies, whose basic instinct is to weaken America’s defenses and enable her enemies, is opposed by a party that wants to rebuild America’s strength, secure our borders, and put the safety of our people first.

The Kristol attack on the Republican Party and its presumptive candidate Donald Trump is an attack on all Americans and needs to be seen in that light.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/05/30/horowitz-kristol-betrayal-gets-serious/

 :lawd

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on May 30, 2016, 02:08:11 PM

Time to call the general election, ole' Donny has got this wrapped up already... (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/05/26/in-general-election-donald-trump-plans-to-focus-on-15-states/)

Quote from: Future President for Life Trump

"We have to win, and I want my energy to be put into the states where it could go either way," Trump said at a rally here on Thursday evening. "And we're going to play heavy, as an example, in California. Now no other Republican -- they wouldn't even go to dinner in California. They wouldn't do it."

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So which states will Trump target? California. Ohio, where he plans to spend a lot of money. Michigan. New York, his home state which was once represented by Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton in the U.S. Senate. Florida, where he owns several golf resorts and a private club where he often lives. And Virginia, which is also home to a Trump golf course.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/gE3CZ57.jpg)

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This bears repeating, Donald Trump is going to try to turn California red, he plans to spend significant resources in California (38% Hispanic) so he can win it. I guess he knows what he's doing.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 30, 2016, 03:31:14 PM

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Bush managed to rescue the war effort and defeat al-Qaeda

Bush kept us safe.  :lawd

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Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2016, 07:28:00 PM

JOEMENTIUM! :neogaf

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The United States of Argentina?
JUN 06, 2016 | By WILLIAM KRISTOL
 
People keep saying how unusual this year’s presidential race is. They're wrong. It's an absolutely normal Third World election.

We have three candidates still standing: a self-righteous socialist who's learned nothing in 50 years except how to rally the economically illiterate and uninformed; an heir to wealth who's done nothing impressive in 50 years except to hone his skills as a self-promoter and demagogue; and an insider who's climbed the greasy pole alongside her husband, enriching herself and her family through 50 years of "public service." Welcome to the United States of Argentina.

What is to be done?

Resist. Resist the decline of America. Resist an Argentinian future. Resistance can mean lots of things over the next few years. But in the here and now, resistance means finding a serious and credible independent candidate.

Thus David French of National Review wrote eloquently this week urging Mitt Romney to take up the gauntlet. French points out that "at this moment, American voters face a choice between two historically corrupt, dishonest, and incompetent politicians. .  .  . Given the stakes of the election, to simply leave the race to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump is to guarantee a terrible presidency marked by incompetence and cronyism." And so, "There is just hope—however slim—of avoiding this national disaster: America needs a third option."

It would be great if Romney chose to run to provide that third option. It would be great if former vice-presidential candidates Joe Lieberman or Paul Ryan, or former cabinet officials like Mitch Daniels or Condoleezza Rice, or former presidential hopefuls like Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush, or current governors like Nikki Haley or Susana Martinez chose to run. They would all start from positions of relative strength.

But even as polls show an amazing level of public receptivity to such an independent effort, even as Donald Trump makes his unfitness for office more manifest every time he speaks, even as Hillary Clinton's unfitness for office is made more obvious by a report from the Obama administration's State Department inspector general, even as all this happens .  .  . major public figures may choose not to run.

Yet the fact of Trump's and Clinton's unfitness for the Oval Office has become so self-evident that it's no longer clear one needs a famous figure to provide an alternative.

So the alternative to Trump and Clinton could be a not-terribly-well-known but capable congressman like Mike Pompeo or Adam Kinzinger. It could be a respected former senator like Judd Gregg or Mel Martinez. Or the leader of the resistance could turn out to be someone who hasn't yet held elective office.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 30, 2016, 08:10:57 PM

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So the alternative to Trump and Clinton could be a not-terribly-well-known but capable congressman like Mike Pompeo or Adam Kinzinger. It could be a respected former senator like Judd Gregg or Mel Martinez. Or the leader of the resistance could turn out to be someone who hasn't yet held elective office.

"Why, it could even be...you."

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Post by: brob on May 30, 2016, 08:13:17 PM

finally globalism (read: chinese manufacturing) brings third-worldism to the first  :chinacry

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Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2016, 08:14:52 PM

Best part might be that Mel Martinez isn't even a natural born citizen. Came to the US from Cuba in 1962 at age 16.

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Post by: Rufus on May 30, 2016, 08:28:40 PM

Migrant turbo-patriots. Gotta prove yourself, I guess.

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Post by: brob on May 30, 2016, 08:40:40 PM

scarface is such a overused reference point for origin stories  ::)

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Post by: bluemax on June 01, 2016, 01:20:01 AM

(https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13331127_10153655340158603_9077632740009477013_n.jpg?oh=fb87ca4d19a5bdf72dda0ab8513b77a1&oe=57CC1132)

The next 4 years are going to be amazing.

(note the guy who I saw this from is an "actor" whose biggest role was a minor character in a video game that came out last gen. I think he lives in an RV somewhere in Venice)

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Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2016, 08:37:30 AM

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Two Republicans intimately familiar with Bill Kristol’s efforts to recruit an independent presidential candidate to challenge Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have told Bloomberg Politics that the person Kristol has in mind is David French

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French is a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to the website of National Review, where French is a staff writer, he is a constitutional lawyer, a recipient of the Bronze Star, and an author of several books who lives in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy, and three children.

Reached in Israel late Tuesday afternoon, Kristol declined to comment on his efforts to induce French to run. The two Republicans confirmed that French is open to launching a bid but that he has not made a final decision.

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ilF8jpTOQYr0/v1/-1x-1.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2016, 08:39:58 AM

Quote from: http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/05/31/rush-limbaugh-baffled-evolution/210639

RUSH LIMBAUGH (HOST): This woman obviously has not read Genesis, and even if she did it wouldn't have any impact on her. But human beings travel all over the world to gawk at animals precisely because they're unusual, they're interesting, some are cute, some are deadly. There's no way human beings are going to not be interested in animals. Gawking at them. Out on safari, hunting them or what -- By the way, you know there's another factor in this, Snerdley? A lot of people think that all of us used to be apes. Don't doubt me on this. A lot of people think that all of us used to be gorillas. And they're looking for the missing link out there. The evolution crowd. They think we were originally apes. I've always -- if we were the original apes, then how come Harambe is still an ape, and how come he didn't become one of us? "Well, that's why were looking for the missing link, Mr. Limbaugh, your question is absurd."

[...]

So Harambe's child is now without a father. One of the many unfortunate aspects of this. So another busted gorilla home. At the Cincinnati Zoo. And you know what happens to them.

dat trolling

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EelL1tFFlI

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 01, 2016, 10:32:44 AM

If evolution is real, how come we still got broken gorilla homes?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2016, 01:14:41 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 01, 2016, 08:37:30 AM

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Two Republicans intimately familiar with Bill Kristol’s efforts to recruit an independent presidential candidate to challenge Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton have told Bloomberg Politics that the person Kristol has in mind is David French

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French is a veteran of Operation Iraqi Freedom. According to the website of National Review, where French is a staff writer, he is a constitutional lawyer, a recipient of the Bronze Star, and an author of several books who lives in Columbia, Tennessee, with his wife, Nancy, and three children.

Reached in Israel late Tuesday afternoon, Kristol declined to comment on his efforts to induce French to run. The two Republicans confirmed that French is open to launching a bid but that he has not made a final decision.

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/ilF8jpTOQYr0/v1/-1x-1.jpg)

A French President in the United States? I don't think so, Mister!

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Post by: bluemax on June 02, 2016, 02:24:07 AM

So I read this:

http://www.stirjournal.com/2016/04/01/i-know-why-poor-whites-chant-trump-trump-trump/

last night and went through 3 thoughts on it.

First third: "this is pretty interesting and there's a lot of stuff that makes sense that I feel no one talks about".

Second third: "this is getting a little conspiratorial by mentioning how everyone who tried to reverse the course got assasinated..."

Last paragraph: "Oh it is another Bernie puff piece"

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Post by: Kara on June 02, 2016, 02:51:10 AM

Quote from: Crash Dummy on May 30, 2016, 07:59:40 AM

that's not unique to the u.s, i like to tell new grads who've joined the corporate tax dept that ct will disappear soon and be entirely supplanted by indirect tax soon

Do you mean de facto or de jure? As a source of revenue (de facto) I agree, as a tool of policy (de jure) I don't. Politicians don't make a habit of surrendering their powers. (No benji.)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2016, 02:56:55 AM

Kara, how broke is Donald Trump? Have you seen his taxes? Is it all smoke and mirrors and repackaged steaks? The people need to know.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2016, 03:15:03 AM

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By August of last year, I was working to convince major donors that Trump would be a destructive force and likely throw the race to Hillary Clinton. One moment from that period sticks with me as a turning point in my thinking about Trump’s money; a major Wall Street donor laughed when I told him we’d need to mount a serious and fully-funded effort to take on Trump if he chose to self fund.

My friend scoffed at the very idea that Trump was worth even a quarter of the mythical $10 billion, much less that he was liquid to the tune of more than $200 million. “He’s not a billionaire. I’m a billionaire. He’s a clown living on credit.”

http://heatst.com/politics/donald-trumps-money-is-a-myth-will-he-bankrupt-the-rnc-too/?mod=sm_tw_post

They've made a huge mistake.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2016, 01:02:38 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/on5AK0M.png)

With all those damn TAX DOLLARS we keep pouring into NASA, you think they could upgrade to Space Fios or some shit so we could get those pictures downloaded and posted to Space Facebook faster. Could you at least pause your Space Torrents for like 2 seconds ffs?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 02, 2016, 01:07:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 02, 2016, 03:15:03 AM

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By August of last year, I was working to convince major donors that Trump would be a destructive force and likely throw the race to Hillary Clinton. One moment from that period sticks with me as a turning point in my thinking about Trump’s money; a major Wall Street donor laughed when I told him we’d need to mount a serious and fully-funded effort to take on Trump if he chose to self fund.

My friend scoffed at the very idea that Trump was worth even a quarter of the mythical $10 billion, much less that he was liquid to the tune of more than $200 million. “He’s not a billionaire. I’m a billionaire. He’s a clown living on credit.”

http://heatst.com/politics/donald-trumps-money-is-a-myth-will-he-bankrupt-the-rnc-too/?mod=sm_tw_post

They've made a huge mistake.

Saw an article yesterday where Mark Cuban was clowning on Trump for being a debt-rich millionaire. :neogaf

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Post by: VomKriege on June 02, 2016, 01:23:42 PM

Is that even news ? Trump is a masterful illusionist, and not just with easily-impressed Joe Six Pack. I'm sure he'll extract and divert as much as he can from the RNC, massage his ego and come out a little richer out of it even if he get stuffed in the election.

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Post by: Trent Dole on June 02, 2016, 01:32:03 PM

Quote from: bluemax on June 02, 2016, 02:24:07 AM

So I read this:

http://www.stirjournal.com/2016/04/01/i-know-why-poor-whites-chant-trump-trump-trump/

last night and went through 3 thoughts on it.

First third: "this is pretty interesting and there's a lot of stuff that makes sense that I feel no one talks about".

Second third: "this is getting a little conspiratorial by mentioning how everyone who tried to reverse the course got assasinated..."

Last paragraph: "Oh it is another Bernie puff piece"

That has a lot of words, and doesn't directly mention anyone running.

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Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2016, 06:04:45 PM

Quote from: Syph on May 29, 2016, 06:10:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on May 29, 2016, 10:55:27 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZRog0xUsAA0opL.png)

that google font
 :beli

The odd part about the subliminal marketing here will backfire when, rather than voters simply feeling at ease with Sue Googe, instead a large swath of her constituency decides to sue Google.

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Post by: Kara on June 02, 2016, 06:04:49 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 02, 2016, 02:56:55 AM

Kara, how broke is Donald Trump? Have you seen his taxes? Is it all smoke and mirrors and repackaged steaks? The people need to know.

A tax return is the product* of a dialectic between two forces: what the taxpayer wants it to say and what the relevant tax authorities demand that it say. Nothing more and nothing less.

That tax returns are now being held up as some meaningful measure of personal wealth or income due to our nascent Eternal President of the Republic refusing to share them with the public is either the product of the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans are unable to participate in the tax return dialectic** and accordingly think things about tax returns that aren't true, or our political class--ever concerned with perpetuating an image of legitimacy for our system to ensure its continued existence--throwing a temper tantrum that someone would dare say that the emperor has no clothes when asked for his sartorial opinion. I can't decide. If you want to know his true wealth, subpoena his estate planners (who no doubt will exert privilege). If you want to know his true annual income, well, there's no shortcut to that one I'm afraid.

Construction is (in my experience) an industry where debt is extremely necessary for a litany of reasons that would not interest this thread so absent evidence to contrary the "hurr hurr debt billionaire" accusation comes off as something people who don't look at financial statements 340 days a year*** would say. (hmu when you work in a field where retention is a common practice and you don't require revolving credit.) Adding to that, we literally just had a Republican presidential candidate whose professional background involved leveraged buyouts so who the fuck are you even trying to kid here.

*synthesis :ussrcry

**Living in some state of hand to mouth, most Americans cannot afford to defer income or delay receipt of it so as to launder it from income taxed one way to income that's taxed another way because legal inequality is OK if you have noble utilitarian aims predicted on specious economic arguments.

***:brazilcry

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Post by: benjipwns on June 02, 2016, 06:44:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSxo9-Z5Ki0

Wow! Sad! So much for the lieberal fantasy of Great Speaker Obama saving the day for Corrupt Hillary. okie doke

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Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2016, 09:22:42 PM

http://boingboing.net/2016/06/02/in-1977-the-cias-top-lawyer.html

Not sure if this is the right thread, and I'm no longer convinced BOINGboing is the bastion of Liberal Truth that I once thought it to be, but: It's weird that Obama's administration has invoked this more times than theoretically more secretive administrations have.

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Post by: brob on June 02, 2016, 09:36:20 PM

i don't see anything weird in that article. idk what "theoretically more secretive administrations" mean tho given the general escalation in secrecy from The Man since forever (no one is ever going to make FOIA requests easier u kno? ratchet (http://stopmebeforeivoteagain.org/stopme/chapter02.html) or not)

anyway, obama is on his way out and the proper liberal response is to start seeing how he can be made into kindling for the next liberal hope so u shouldn't tear boing boing off their bastion for this imo.

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Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2016, 12:55:11 AM

Violence outside a Trump rally, sounds like anarchists and whatnot.

:/

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 03, 2016, 07:02:00 AM

I hope these people realize that violent protests only galvanize, rally, and strengthen the base.  In other words, Trump picked up more voters last night.

Edit: Wow, didn't know it got so bad: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/protesters-assault-trump-supporters-eggs-bottles-punches-after-rally

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Post by: Brehvolution on June 03, 2016, 08:45:51 AM

:violin

Drumpf haters is southern Cali? What would make them so upset?

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Post by: fizzel on June 03, 2016, 01:47:08 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on June 03, 2016, 07:02:00 AM

I hope these people realize that violent protests only galvanize, rally, and strengthen the base.  In other words, Trump picked up more voters last night.

Edit: Wow, didn't know it got so bad: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/protesters-assault-trump-supporters-eggs-bottles-punches-after-rally

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svaGiSj8Pdo

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Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2016, 06:18:31 PM

And there's a picture of some Trump supporters pepper spraying protestors, not sure from which event.

Also Trump is doubling down on the idea that the judge in the Trump U case should recuse himself cause he's not white.

Remember how the 47% comment from Romney was his biggest gaffe/scandal of the campaign?  How far down would that rank for Trump?  Dude had a racist-ass butler who called for Obama to be killed and that didn't even get a full news cycle.  It's fuckery overload.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2016, 06:30:02 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37-M_AzPxmM
grats on the shout out AiA




yikes

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Post by: Mandark on June 03, 2016, 06:40:06 PM

Beat me to posting that AND to the inevitable punchline.  Godammit.

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Post by: Kara on June 03, 2016, 07:32:49 PM

Quote from: chronovore on June 02, 2016, 09:22:42 PM

http://boingboing.net/2016/06/02/in-1977-the-cias-top-lawyer.html

Not sure if this is the right thread, and I'm no longer convinced BOINGboing is the bastion of Liberal Truth that I once thought it to be, but: It's weird that Obama's administration has invoked this more times than theoretically more secretive administrations have.

If the post I made in the Panama Papers thread contributed to that, don't let it. It's almost impossible to accurately report on the subject (by its clandestine nature). The tax periodical I would recommend to people costs around $2,000 a year and even it is extremely shallow in its writing.

As for the story itself, times have changed and the reach of whistleblowers is much greater than it once was (to say nothing of the scale of government surveillance states putting more people in a position where they feel the need to blow whistles). There's also the fact that at least it's being used in debates about public order now instead of to prosecute political dissidents.

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Post by: Crash Dummy on June 03, 2016, 07:40:28 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 02, 2016, 02:51:10 AM

Quote from: Crash Dummy on May 30, 2016, 07:59:40 AM

that's not unique to the u.s, i like to tell new grads who've joined the corporate tax dept that ct will disappear soon and be entirely supplanted by indirect tax soon

Do you mean de facto or de jure? As a source of revenue (de facto) I agree, as a tool of policy (de jure) I don't. Politicians don't make a habit of surrendering their powers. (No benji.)

in the uk, honestly i see both happening - i think our ct rate is being cut to 17% soon meanwhile you can see all of the eu and many other countries figuring out how to create nexus in their jurisdictions without businesses having physical presence (especially since the beps report last year) for vat/gst purposes, our gov. keeps stealth increasing ipt as well and i see the base rate coming inline with our vat standard rate

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Post by: Syph on June 03, 2016, 08:28:31 PM

man the "protests" are just embarrassing
throwing eggs at people and shit
imagine if this were the other way around
pathetic

for the record I don't like Trump but sometimes the left-bias is just too much nahmean

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 05, 2016, 05:46:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=od8j2uuwkBs
jesus...

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Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2016, 07:02:42 AM

The Dream is Dead:

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I’m Not Running for President

by DAVID FRENCH   

I’m not the right person to challenge Trump and Hillary, but the path remains open for others.

Here is a sentence I never thought I’d type: After days of prayer, reflection, and serious study of the possibilities, I am not going to run as an independent candidate for president of the United States.

I gave it serious thought — as a pretty darn obscure lawyer, writer, and veteran — only because we live in historic times. Never before have both parties failed so spectacularly, producing two dishonest, deceitful candidates who should be disqualified from running for town council, much less leader of the free world.

Hillary Clinton lies habitually and changes position on virtually every public issue except for her pro-abortion extremism, and she has a suspicious record of making public decisions that favor donors to the Clinton Foundation. Her signal foreign-policy “achievement” was helping launch a war in Libya that not only cost American lives in Benghazi but also helped transform the nation into ISIS’s latest playpen.

To add to all that, she’s in the middle of an active FBI investigation. If I had handled classified information the way we know she handled classified information, my career would already be over, and the single goal of my life would be persuading the prosecutor to reach a lenient plea bargain.

Donald Trump also lies habitually (sometimes minute by minute), and changes position based on his moods. In one breath he claims to support working men and women, and then with the next breath he threatens to destroy our economy through trade wars or by playing games with the full faith and credit of the United States. He believes an American judge — a man born in Indiana who spent months hiding from drug cartels after they’d put a “hit” on him – can’t rule on a case involving Trump University because the judge’s parents emigrated from Mexico.

His supporters believe it demonstrates “strength” when he mocks the disabled and bullies women. He has attracted an online racist following that viciously attacks his opponents and their families — including my wife and youngest daughter.

Given this reality, it would be tempting to say that when it comes to confronting this national moment, “somebody” stepping up is better than nobody. But somebody is not always better than nobody. I’m on record saying that Mitt Romney could win. I believe others could run and win, and would make excellent presidents. Indeed, the path is there. I spent the last several days with some of the best minds in politics.

I learned that the ballot-access challenge can be met with modest effort (by an existing network ready to activate), that the polling for a true outsider independent was better than most people know, and that there are many, many Americans — including outstanding political talents — who are willing to quit their jobs — today — to help provide the American people with an alternative.

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I believe with all my heart that there is an American movement ready to both resist the corruption, decadence, and dishonesty of the American elite and restore the promise of the American Dream. But that movement may not emerge for some time, and it might emerge only after further heartache and pain.

Let me also say that each person involved in the effort to recruit an independent candidate is a patriot. They are standing strong on principle when the GOP leadership — in lockstep — now marches to Trump’s beat. I admired them before this process began, and I admire them more even now.

And the fight is not over. Men such as my friend and colleague, Boston filmmaker and philanthropist John Kingston, stand ready to continue the effort — with substantial resources behind them. But we live in a time when patriots are mocked and demagogues celebrated. Even good men have reduced themselves to excusing the inexcusable and defending the indefensible.

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To those who prayed for me and my family, I’m grateful beyond words. To those who defended my wife and kids from vicious attacks — engaging in a fight you didn’t seek — I’m forever in your debt. To those I’ve disappointed, I’m sorry. It is your devotion and integrity that help keep America great, and I believe you will ultimately prevail.

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Post by: octopushover on June 06, 2016, 10:25:23 AM

let's start a pool for what network on which bernie will inevitably become a pundit

spoiler (click to show/hide)

until he gets too senile even to wag his finger

[close]

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Post by: Kara on June 06, 2016, 10:32:59 AM

Quote from: octopushover on June 06, 2016, 10:25:23 AM

let's start a pool for what network on which bernie will inevitably become a pundit

spoiler (click to show/hide)

until he gets too senile even to wag his finger

[close]

rt

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2016, 11:12:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 06, 2016, 07:02:42 AM

The Dream is Dead:

Sad!

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Post by: Trent Dole on June 06, 2016, 01:29:41 PM

Quote from: octopushover on June 06, 2016, 10:25:23 AM

let's start a pool for what network on which bernie will inevitably become a pundit

spoiler (click to show/hide)

until he gets too senile even to wag his finger

[close]

Eh, was Dean a pundit after his failed run? They're very much the same imo. Renegadeish seemingly hyper left Vermonters.

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Post by: brob on June 06, 2016, 03:42:43 PM

Sanders ending up a health care lobbyist like Dean would be p funny

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Post by: curly on June 06, 2016, 04:59:09 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 06, 2016, 01:29:41 PM

Quote from: octopushover on June 06, 2016, 10:25:23 AM

let's start a pool for what network on which bernie will inevitably become a pundit

spoiler (click to show/hide)

until he gets too senile even to wag his finger

[close]

Eh, was Dean a pundit after his failed run? They're very much the same imo. Renegadeish seemingly hyper left Vermonters.

Dean was actually pretty centrist, though. Definitely much more so than Bernie. Opposing the Iraq war is what made him the outsider candidate.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2016, 05:33:19 PM

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Trump Orders Surrogates to Intensify Criticism of Judge and Journalists

An embattled Donald Trump urgently rallied his most visible supporters to defend his attacks on a federal judge's Mexican ancestry during a conference call on Monday in which he ordered them to question the judge's credibility and impugn reporters as racists.

"We will overcome," Trump said, according to two supporters who were on the call and requested anonymity to share their notes with Bloomberg Politics. "And I’ve always won and I’m going to continue to win. And that’s the way it is."

There was no mention of apologizing or backing away from his widely criticized remarks about U.S. District Judge Gonzalo Curiel, who is overseeing cases against the Trump University real-estate program.

When former Arizona Governor Jan Brewer interrupted the discussion to inform Trump that his own campaign had asked surrogates to stop talking about the lawsuit, Trump repeatedly demanded to know who sent the memo, and immediately overruled his staff.

"Take that order and throw it the hell out," Trump said.

Told the memo was sent by Erica Freeman, a staffer who circulates information to surrogates, Trump said he didn't know her. He openly questioned how the campaign could defend itself if supporters weren't allowed to talk.

"Are there any other stupid letters that were sent to you folks?" Trump said. "That's one of the reasons I want to have this call, because you guys are getting sometimes stupid information from people that aren't so smart."

Brewer, who was on the call with prominent Republicans like Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi and former Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown, interjected again. "You all better get on the page," she told him.

In response, Trump said that he aspired to hold regular calls with surrogates in order to coordinate the campaign's message, a role usually reserved for lower ranking staffers than the nominee himself.

The e-mailed memo, sent by Freeman on Sunday, was cc'd to campaign manager Corey Lewandowski; Hope Hicks, Trump's top communications staffer; and Rick Gates, a top aide to campaign chairman Paul Manafort. It informed surrogates that "they're not authorized to discuss matters concerning the Trump Organization including corporate news such as the Trump University case.”

"The best possible response is ‘the case will be tried in the courtroom in front of a jury—not in the media,’” according to the e-mail, obtained by Bloomberg Politics.

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A clearly irritated Trump told his supporters to attack journalists who ask questions about the lawsuit and his comments about the judge.

"The people asking the questions—those are the racists," Trump said. "I would go at 'em."

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-06/trump-orders-surrogates-to-intensify-criticism-of-judge-and-journalists

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2016, 05:36:03 PM

what a fucking loon

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2016, 05:36:43 PM

Jesus

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 06, 2016, 05:44:18 PM

like this dude is legitimately nutso

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Post by: Brehvolution on June 06, 2016, 09:38:37 PM

And people say he isn't a republican?  :cac

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 06, 2016, 09:58:10 PM

Hilary :bow2

Reddit politics :piss2

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Post by: sarslip on June 06, 2016, 09:58:29 PM

AP called it for Clinton  :miyamoto

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Post by: benjipwns on June 06, 2016, 10:54:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07XpqAPj7lM

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2016, 11:21:27 PM

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HISTORIC MILESTONE

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 06, 2016, 11:42:35 PM

Cenk's really losing it over Hillary winning/Bernie losing.

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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 12:16:10 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 06, 2016, 11:21:27 PM

BUT WHAT ABOUT THE HISTORIC MILESTONE

frankly, it's really exciting to say

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Post by: bluemax on June 07, 2016, 12:43:51 AM

The salt on the internet is gonna be amazing.

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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 01:31:04 AM

is Wikipedia part of the Clinton campaign?!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: archie4208 on June 07, 2016, 01:35:34 AM

Quote from: bluemax on June 07, 2016, 12:43:51 AM

The salt on the internet is gonna be amazing.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sandersforpresident

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They did it. They called it for Clinton. Guess what i have to say to that? SCREW THAT. Join me and donate $50 to Bernie to show superdelegates that this campaign is the only one with the grassroots, small donor support that can take on Trump WITHOUT a superPAC.

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Media is prepared to anoint Clinton tomorrow, social media is our only hope. #ItsNotOver | #ImDoneWithHer

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Associated Press has just called the nomination race for Clinton using superdelegates. Let's show them what the pledged delegates and what the PEOPLE of New Jersey, New Mexico, North and South Dakota, Montana and California want! And the answer is clear: WE! WANT! BERNIE! SHOW THEM AND PHONEBANK!

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Post by: Brehvolution on June 07, 2016, 09:23:11 AM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/06/dick-morris-in-talks-to-join-the-trump-campaign.html

Trump can't help surrounding himself with all these winners.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 11:10:12 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/uobXWcF.jpg)

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Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 11:40:57 AM

Ralph Nader kvetching about trigger warnings. What a world. :lol

https://psmag.com/election-season-politics-with-ralph-nader-public-interest-crusader-82d6fbd6e13d#.31sr3rp8t

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: studyguy on June 07, 2016, 11:41:55 AM

Investing in Salt Commodities in preparation for today.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 11:44:46 AM

Quote from: studyguy on June 07, 2016, 11:41:55 AM

Investing in Salt Commodities in preparation for today.

Don't open r/politics (https://www.reddit.com/r/politics) without having a Gatorade handy, good lord.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 07, 2016, 12:36:02 PM

Saw a guy wearing a bernie shirt today.  I live in Toronto.  SMH


We also have a fucking member of parliament that went down to campaign for him on the weekend.  That was shameful.   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 12:40:35 PM

My mom, Hillary Stan #1 and nonstop Trump hater, defended his judge comments on the basis of "I can see merit in that comment but it's not something you should say out loud. He should have only shared that with his closest circle."
:stahp

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 07, 2016, 12:41:58 PM

How does one politely expose their own mom as a closet racist? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 12:49:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 12:40:35 PM

My mom, Hillary Stan #1 and nonstop Trump hater, defended his judge comments on the basis of "I can see merit in that comment but it's not something you should say out loud. He should have only shared that with his closest circle."
:stahp

In her defense, the judge is hispanic. :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mupepe on June 07, 2016, 01:01:25 PM

And that's exactly why he still does decently with a large part of the population.  I know quite a few people that would never say they support him out loud but when we're alone and politics come up they whisper about why he's really not that bad.  Fucking Texas, man.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 01:15:33 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 07, 2016, 01:01:25 PM

And that's exactly why he still does decently with a large part of the population.  I know quite a few people that would never say they support him out loud but when we're alone and politics come up they whisper about why he's really not that bad.  Fucking Texas, man.

"Moreover, there's evidence that human polling undercounts Trump's votes, as people support him in larger numbers when they don't have to admit their leanings to a live human being. Like autoerotic asphyxiation, supporting Donald Trump is an activity many people prefer to enjoy in a private setting, like in a shower or a voting booth."

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Post by: VomKriege on June 07, 2016, 01:17:03 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 12:49:27 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 12:40:35 PM

My mom, Hillary Stan #1 and nonstop Trump hater, defended his judge comments on the basis of "I can see merit in that comment but it's not something you should say out loud. He should have only shared that with his closest circle."
:stahp

In her defense, the judge is hispanic. :hitler

We worried about those damn red judges but we should have looked for the light brown ones all along !  :kinison

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: brawndolicious on June 07, 2016, 01:25:36 PM

Maurice's mom echoing Paul Ryan. "I mean it's a racist comment but....". Yet I still feel shocked everytime my own mom says something non-pc.

I now realized that only Asians/middle-easterners ever share those thoughts with me.  :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: studyguy on June 07, 2016, 01:35:52 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 07, 2016, 01:15:33 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 07, 2016, 01:01:25 PM

And that's exactly why he still does decently with a large part of the population.  I know quite a few people that would never say they support him out loud but when we're alone and politics come up they whisper about why he's really not that bad.  Fucking Texas, man.

"Moreover, there's evidence that human polling undercounts Trump's votes, as people support him in larger numbers when they don't have to admit their leanings to a live human being. Like autoerotic asphyxiation, supporting Donald Trump is an activity many people prefer to enjoy in a private setting, like in a shower or a voting booth."

I don't blame them. I hear if you admit you're a Trump supporter you're likely to have the Hispanic Inquisition beating down your door, raping your wives, dogs and jobs at the drop of a hat.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 02:08:30 PM

(((Echoes))), Exposed: The Secret Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online (https://mic.com/articles/144228/echoes-exposed-the-secret-symbol-neo-nazis-use-to-target-jews-online#.KstDD2o3A)

 :holeup

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Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 02:18:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 02:08:30 PM

(((Echoes))), Exposed: The Secret Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online (https://mic.com/articles/144228/echoes-exposed-the-secret-symbol-neo-nazis-use-to-target-jews-online#.KstDD2o3A)

 :holeup

(https://images.mic.com/xridzp0rt6pe0elforlmkmlk6fqt4cbumdkcorcckfwg47etp0wlo54hsx9g63nr.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_Without_Money

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Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2016, 02:32:19 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 07, 2016, 01:15:33 PM

"Moreover, there's evidence that human polling undercounts Trump's votes, as people support him in larger numbers when they don't have to admit their leanings to a live human being. Like autoerotic asphyxiation, supporting Donald Trump is an activity many people prefer to enjoy in a private setting, like in a shower or a voting booth."

Trump didn't outperform his polls, though?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 02:41:05 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 07, 2016, 02:18:16 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 02:08:30 PM

(((Echoes))), Exposed: The Secret Symbol Neo-Nazis Use to Target Jews Online (https://mic.com/articles/144228/echoes-exposed-the-secret-symbol-neo-nazis-use-to-target-jews-online#.KstDD2o3A)

 :holeup

(https://images.mic.com/xridzp0rt6pe0elforlmkmlk6fqt4cbumdkcorcckfwg47etp0wlo54hsx9g63nr.jpg)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews_Without_Money

dunno Kara, you seem pretty rich and I'm pretty sure Mandark is Adam Silver.
:ohhh

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 07, 2016, 03:01:10 PM

Hopefully Demi will institute an echo filter for this site cause right now we are an echo chamber. 

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Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 03:13:45 PM

Matty T doesn't link his source there. What I read last year of a similar vein looked at things you would guffaw at on their face, Mandark. (e.g. online polls) It's old as dirt now (6+ months) so the phenomenon shouldn't exist anymore (if it ever did). Not particularly scandalous to say you support the nominated Republican presidential candidate.

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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 03:28:46 PM

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The "parenthesis meme," as Right Stuff editors call it, is a visual pun.

In Right Stuff propaganda, you'll often read that Jewish names "echo." According to the blog's lexicon page, "all Jewish surnames echo throughout history."

"The inner parenthesis represent the Jews' subversion of the home [and] destruction of the family through mass-media degeneracy. The next [parenthesis] represents the destruction of the nation through mass immigration, and the outer [parenthesis] represents international Jewry and world Zionism."

:ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Mandark on June 07, 2016, 03:29:59 PM

There was a story a while back which showed Trump doing better in online polls than in phone polls, which might have been a sort of Bradley Effect but just as easily could show different sampling biases between the two methods.

More relevant I think is that the polls were pretty predictive of Trump's actual primary performance (Cruz was the candidate who consistently outperformed his polling averages, until the Acela primaries where he flamed out).  When the geek journos whiffed on Trump, it was because they dismissed the polls, not that they believed them.

Also, at least IME Trump supporters are pretty happy to tell you about it.  Loudly.  In spite of your efforts to aggressively direct the conversation to a different topic.

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Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 03:33:12 PM

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The State Department said it would take 75 years for the release of emails from top aides to Hillary Clinton from during her time as secretary of State.

Lawyers said it would take that long to compile the 450,000 pages of records from former Clinton aides Cheryl Mills, Jacob Sullivan and Patrick Kennedy, according to a court filing from last week, which was first reported by CNN.

"Given the Department's current [Freedom of Information Act] workload and the complexity of these documents, it can process about 500 pages a month, meaning it would take approximately 16-and-2/3 years to complete the review of the Mills documents, 33-and-1/3 years to finish the review of the Sullivan documents, and 25 years to wrap up the review of the Kennedy documents — or 75 years in total," the State Department said in the filing.

The 18th term curse strikes again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Trent Dole on June 07, 2016, 05:21:17 PM

Again with the fucking emails
(http://i.imgur.com/oVQajPL.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 05:54:19 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 07, 2016, 03:29:59 PM

Also, at least IME Trump supporters are pretty happy to tell you about it.  Loudly.  In spite of your efforts to aggressively direct the conversation to a different topic.

I know this is an ancillary point, and that you probably recognize that it's not meaningful on its own (ultimately we're talking about something that's almost a matter of faith due to the blessed electoral college), but just today I saw a campaign contribution go out to an absolute nutter from someone I previously knew to merely be a hypocritical center-right voter preoccupied by a wedge issue.

With that though I bow out of this tangent with another quote.

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Let's put it to a vote. Shall the ballots be open or secret?"

"We don't need Soviet-style voting," Charushnikov said, offended. "Let's vote the honest way, the European way: secret ballots."

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Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 06:22:12 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/07/secret-win-berniacs-lose-their-minds-over-evidence-clinton-colluded-with-ap-on-nomination-call/

Uh oh, another scandal for Clinton. Sad!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 07, 2016, 06:28:13 PM

How should these Bernie supporters be murdered cruelly, Walrus? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

Campaigns talk to the press and set up breaking news scenarios? FRAUD.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2016, 08:31:39 PM

Save us, James O'Keefe!

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Post by: TVC15 on June 07, 2016, 08:33:05 PM

Can someone make a Hillary themed Yub Nub video?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: octopushover on June 07, 2016, 09:22:22 PM

hillary sweeping so far


even in north dakota  :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 09:28:14 PM

Quote from: octopushover on June 07, 2016, 09:22:22 PM

hillary sweeping so far


even in north dakota  :whew

North Dakota? Sounds like the deep south to me.

Edit- ND is the one state for Sanders right now unless you have newer data.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: octopushover on June 07, 2016, 09:28:36 PM

lol that switched fast

hitler, north dakota must have reported

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 09:42:50 PM

Quote from: octopushover on June 07, 2016, 09:28:36 PM

lol that switched fast

hitler, north dakota must have reported

I think it's called Bismarck now. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 10:02:35 PM

I googled that reference. Glad to see there's no such town as Hitler, ND.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 10:41:05 PM

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Hillary Clinton on Tuesday night declared herself the Democratic presidential nominee, delivering a soaring speech in which she reveled in the historic nature of her victory.

SOARING :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: TVC15 on June 07, 2016, 10:48:14 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 07, 2016, 10:41:05 PM

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Hillary Clinton on Tuesday night declared herself the Democratic presidential nominee, delivering a soaring speech in which she reveled in the historic nature of her victory.

SOARING :usacry

https://youtu.be/nx8cGnvxvRE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: brob on June 07, 2016, 11:02:46 PM

my incisive political cartoon: at the inauguration, instead of confetti, they have a huge sheet of glass held by drones that shatters and rains down over the crowd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Kara on June 07, 2016, 11:14:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2016, 10:02:35 PM

I googled that reference. Glad to see there's no such town as Hitler, ND.

I suppose not everyone's parents made Blood and Iron jokes when they were learning state capitals as a child... :goty2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 11:22:05 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/enoughsandersspam/comments/4fqhcl/itt_the_great_sanders_copypastas/

I missed all these. Makes for some entertaining reading right now.

*sips wine*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: Syph on June 07, 2016, 11:44:06 PM

Quote from: brob on June 07, 2016, 11:02:46 PM

my incisive political cartoon: at the inauguration, instead of confetti, they have a huge sheet of glass held by drones that shatters and rains down over the crowd

"what difference does it make if it was glass or paper?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 11:56:32 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/4n29s7/results_megathread_california_montana_new_jersey/d40fo02

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/cac2c7be2257c5c0d692579bae58469a/tumblr_nhrkvzsUKT1ql5yr7o1_500.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 11:58:54 PM

:drudge HA Goodman having a meltdown after tonight's results (https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR) :drudge

(https://media.giphy.com/media/HPPo897APrNh6/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf Donald Drumpf |OT|
Post by: thisismyusername on June 08, 2016, 12:32:35 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 07, 2016, 05:21:17 PM

Again with the fucking emails
http://i.imgur.com/oVQajPL.gif

Sorry some of us do? She broke the law in trying to get past the FoIA. Her IT department in pretty clear terms told her this sort of thing may be breaking laws, she did it anyway. The whole thing with the FBI "gathering evidence" during this election cycle is bullshit, however. Either indict her already or don't. This long "building a case" is not helping anyone.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: bluemax on June 08, 2016, 12:34:56 AM

Narrowly avoided talking with young coworkers about how the media is totally lying to you and Bernie has a chance at lunch today.

It's funny how no one has wanted to argue with me when I said the options were a career politician with a history of lying, and two nutjobs running on single issue platforms that can't even articulate how they plan to solve those issues. Seemed like the best bait, but alas all I get is "at least one of the nutjobs isn't a racist!".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 12:47:32 AM

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Convinced as Sanders is that he’s realizing his lifelong dream of being the catalyst for remaking American politics—aides say he takes credit for a Harvard Kennedy School study in April showing young people getting more liberal, and he takes personal offense every time Clinton just dismisses the possibility of picking him as her running mate—his guiding principle under attack has basically boiled down to a feeling that multiple aides sum up as: “Screw me? No, screw you.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041#ixzz4AxWuNxnR

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 08, 2016, 12:51:41 AM

It's all over for. Time to apply salve to them Berns.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/statement-released-by-president-obama

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In addition, at Senator Sanders' request, the President and Senator Sanders will meet at the White House on Thursday to continue their conversation about the significant issues at stake in this election that matter most to America's working families. The President looks forward to continuing the conversation with Senator Sanders about how to build on the extraordinary work he has done to engage millions of Democratic voters, and to build on that enthusiasm in the weeks and months ahead.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: bluemax on June 08, 2016, 01:09:32 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 12:47:32 AM

Quote

Convinced as Sanders is that he’s realizing his lifelong dream of being the catalyst for remaking American politics—aides say he takes credit for a Harvard Kennedy School study in April showing young people getting more liberal, and he takes personal offense every time Clinton just dismisses the possibility of picking him as her running mate—his guiding principle under attack has basically boiled down to a feeling that multiple aides sum up as: “Screw me? No, screw you.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-campaign-last-days-224041#ixzz4AxWuNxnR

:dead

This is kinda eerily similar to reading about the Trump campaign. The same arrogance and lack of self awareness.

Quote

Top Sanders aides admit that it’s been weeks, if not months, since they themselves realized he wasn’t going to be win, and they’ve been operating with a Trump’s-got-no-real-shot safety net. They debate whether Sanders’ role in the fall should be a full vote-for-Clinton campaign, or whether he should just campaign hard against Trump without signing up to do much for her directly.

Nevermind, there's the self awareness that even Reddit doesn't have.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2016, 01:40:28 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/UbFxgFY.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2016, 01:52:28 AM

Quote

Sanders and aides laugh at the idea that he’s damaging the party and hurting Clinton. They think they don’t get enough gratitude for how much they held back, from not targeting more Democratic members of the House and Senate who opposed him to not making more of an issue out of Clinton’s email server investigation and Bill Clinton’s sex scandals, all of which they discussed as possible lines of attack in the fall. They blame Clinton going after him on gun control for goading him into letting loose on her Goldman Sachs speeches.

“If they hadn’t started at it by really going hard at him on guns, raising a series of issues against him, that really was what led to him being much, much more aggressive than he otherwise would have been,” said Devine, the consultant who helped engineer Sanders’ plans for a protest candidacy into a real campaign (and convinced him to run as a Democrat).

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Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid’s call was part advice, part asking a favor, urging Sanders to use his now massive email list to help Democratic Senate candidates. Russ Feingold in Wisconsin was the most obvious prospect, and Reid wanted to make introductions to Iowa’s Patty Judge and North Carolina’s Deborah Ross—to help Democrats win the majority, but also to give Sanders allies in making himself the leader of the Senate progressives come next year.

Reid, according to people familiar with the conversation, ended the discussion thinking Sanders was on board. He backed Feingold. But that’s the last anyone heard.

Word got back to Reid’s team that Weaver had nixed the idea, ruling out backing anyone who hadn’t endorsed Sanders. Weaver says it’s because the Senate hopefuls had to get in line for Sanders’ support behind top backers like Gabbard and Rep. Raúl Grijalva (D-Ariz.)—though neither has a competitive race this year.

Sanders never followed up himself.

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There’s also the issue of payback. Campaign aides say that whatever else happens, Sanders wants former Congressman Barney Frank and Connecticut Gov. Dannel Malloy out of their spots as co-chairs of the convention rules committee. It’s become a priority fight for him.

Sanders, the aides say, believes Frank has hated him for years, but the former Massachusetts congressman’s calling him a “McCarthyite” pushed him over the edge. He never really registered who Malloy was, despite his being from a neighboring home state and his status as one of the most liberal governors in the country, but Sanders was enraged to hear the governor say he had blood on his hands for not supporting the gun manufacturer liability law.

this is the kind of stuff Corrupt Hillary's team was doing in 2008 that probably cost them the nomination :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2016, 01:54:23 AM

Congrats Walrus on the new job with the Detroit Free Press:

Quote from: http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2016/06/03/dps-reform-legislation/85348006/

MACKINAC ISLAND — We really ought to round up the lawmakers who took money to protect and perpetuate the failing charter-school experiment in Detroit, sew them into burlap sacks with rabid animals, and toss them into the Straits of Mackinac.

That’s harsh. Maybe.

But isn’t that what the Romans or Greeks or some other early practitioners of democracy used to do with solicitous and unprincipled public officials?

...

It is every bit deserving of an old-school retributive response.

A sack. An animal. A lake.

No lover of actual democracy could weep at that outcome.

It was a good idea to warm up your readers to your style rather than plunging them into the Straits of Mackinac right away.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2016, 01:58:48 AM

Bernie's in it to win it, baybee! :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on June 08, 2016, 02:22:49 AM

Sanders supporters to graduate soon enough from mathematics to quantum physics if they want to keep their hopes up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2016, 02:26:06 AM

The AP showed a serious lack of scientific knowledge. We can't tell whether or not Sanders won the nomination until the nomination is decided. The AP changed the outcome by observing the result.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2016, 02:30:06 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 08, 2016, 01:52:28 AM

Quote

They blame Clinton going after him on gun control for goading him into letting loose on her Goldman Sachs speeches.

“If they hadn’t started at it by really going hard at him on guns, raising a series of issues against him, that really was what led to him being much, much more aggressive than he otherwise would have been,” said Devine, the consultant who helped engineer Sanders’ plans for a protest candidacy into a real campaign (and convinced him to run as a Democrat).

"That bitch was asking for it."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2016, 03:06:26 AM

It's pretty similar to the Clinton campaign's statement that they'd reconsider additional debates with Bernie if he played nicer.

I'm sure both sides feel as if the other has been unfair and over-aggressive, which is silly if you zoom out and take the long view.  They've both been using kid gloves compared to how hard Clinton and Obama went at each other, much less how things went down on the GOP side, or how it's going to be in the general.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 07:03:14 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 08, 2016, 01:54:23 AM

Congrats Walrus on the new job with the Detroit Free Press:

Quote from: http://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/stephen-henderson/2016/06/03/dps-reform-legislation/85348006/

MACKINAC ISLAND — We really ought to round up the lawmakers who took money to protect and perpetuate the failing charter-school experiment in Detroit, sew them into burlap sacks with rabid animals, and toss them into the Straits of Mackinac.

That’s harsh. Maybe.

But isn’t that what the Romans or Greeks or some other early practitioners of democracy used to do with solicitous and unprincipled public officials?

...

It is every bit deserving of an old-school retributive response.

A sack. An animal. A lake.

No lover of actual democracy could weep at that outcome.

It was a good idea to warm up your readers to your style rather than plunging them into the Straits of Mackinac right away.

Will they at least be given a piece of fudge before being hurled into the Straights of Mackinac?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 08, 2016, 07:30:52 AM

Apparently Bernie is not backing down :lol

He must really be hoping that the FBI comes through with an indictment.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2016, 09:42:11 AM

I had been bracing for Cali to be <5% difference but Hillary outright slaughtered Bernie there, almost 13%. :whew :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 08, 2016, 10:16:37 AM

On NPR this morning:

Quote

If he doesn't end up winning, I'm voting for Trump...to pop the zit of this country and start the revolution.

Fuck off, Bernie bros.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2016, 10:20:17 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 08, 2016, 09:42:11 AM

I had been bracing for Cali to be <5% difference but Hillary outright slaughtered Bernie there, almost 13%. :whew :dead

(http://i.imgur.com/k4RNeX7.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2016, 11:35:56 AM

Sanders could have won if he won NY 70-30.

Sanders could have won if we won CA 80-20.

Sanders could win if he flips 35% of Hillary's superdelegates.

Sanders could win if Hillary gets indicted.

Sanders could win if mind control technology becomes available in the next couple weeks.

Sanders could win if his bird friend Birdie flies down with a flock of angry sparrows to lift Hillary into the sun.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 08, 2016, 12:16:04 PM

I'd vote for a wizard with the ability to control birds as long as he isn't running against one who can do better magic. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 08, 2016, 01:15:15 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 08, 2016, 12:16:04 PM

I'd vote for a wizard with the ability to control birds as long as he isn't running against one who can do better magic. 

Bernie is like Radagast the Brown, except he could also control squirrels and jackalopes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 08, 2016, 02:10:53 PM

People on my Facebook posting all sorts of don't give up on Bernie crap still, like seriously? It's just sad at this point

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2016, 02:22:08 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on June 08, 2016, 02:10:53 PM

People on my Facebook posting all sorts of don't give up on Bernie crap still, like seriously? It's just sad at this point

Screencaps plz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 08, 2016, 02:52:05 PM

You going into the salt business or something Tasty? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2016, 02:59:07 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 08, 2016, 02:52:05 PM

You going into the salt business or something Tasty?

Meat needs salt in order to stay tasty, breh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 03:00:03 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 08, 2016, 02:59:07 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 08, 2016, 02:52:05 PM

You going into the salt business or something Tasty?

Meat needs salt in order to stay tasty, breh.

:hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 08, 2016, 03:03:46 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 03:00:03 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 08, 2016, 02:59:07 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on June 08, 2016, 02:52:05 PM

You going into the salt business or something Tasty?

Meat needs salt in order to stay tasty, breh.

:hitler

 :delicious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 08, 2016, 03:09:59 PM

I'm banking this victory vigor for when the Republican Congress is still refusing to confirm President Clinton's SCOTUS nomination(s?) two years on. Into her second term. :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 08, 2016, 03:20:39 PM

I thought it was looking good for the Dems to take the senate?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: studyguy on June 08, 2016, 03:26:39 PM

Ruth Ginsberg gonna be on life support still clawing on to that bench along with those 2 other old fucks about to turn 80 as congress continues to refuse to give in to confirming a new justice. We're gonna be 8 years down the road when we hear 'THE AMERICAN PUBLIC DESERVES TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD, again, IN REGARDS TO THIS MATTER, WE SHALL LET THE NEXT PRESIDENT DECIDE. OR MAYBE THE NEXT ONE AFTER THAT, FUCK IT! JUST GIVE US A TURN BREHS"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 08, 2016, 04:04:20 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/opinion/dump-the-gop-for-a-grand-new-party.html?&_r=0

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But this Republican Party is none of those things. Today’s G.O.P. is to governing what Trump University is to education — an ethically challenged enterprise that enriches and perpetuates itself by shedding all pretense of standing for real principles, or a truly relevant value proposition, and instead plays on the ignorance and fears of the public.

It is just an empty shell, selling pieces of itself to the highest bidders, — policy by policy — a little to the Tea Party over here, a little to Big Oil over there, a little to the gun lobby, to antitax zealots, to climate-change deniers. And before you know it, the party stands for an incoherent mess of ideas unrelated to any theory of where the world is going or how America actually becomes great again in the 21st century.

:noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 08, 2016, 04:11:53 PM

One-party rule paving the way for democratic centralism. :preach

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0YT16J

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 08, 2016, 06:42:52 PM

(https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/inlineimage/2016-06-08/bsdems1-3.png)
(mislabeled as 2015, actually current)

In case we needed a reminder that people's opinions of politicians are really contextual and tribal.  There's really no ideological justification why Clinton would have such a different rating than Obama and especially Biden.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 07:51:40 PM

And let's not forget the sexism angle there. I've heard so many people slam Hillary for being a conservative or disparage the Crime Bill...then say they wish Biden had run for president.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 08, 2016, 08:47:45 PM

that Trump rates ahead of Hillary among Bernie supporters is unbelievable to me. As in, I don't actually believe it, they can't possibly be that dense. And yes, I've got many friends who are Bern-ed out, but that's just way too much irrationality for me to handle.

"Well, there's this lady who's 85% similar to my preferred candidate, or this transparently awful man who's the physical embodiment of everything my guy has been railing agaisnt for the last year. I think I'll go with him."

I just don't buy it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 08, 2016, 09:27:38 PM

However effective her policies would be, they're very much a continuation of what's been done for some time now (e.g. middle class--or, more accurately, debt-encumbered breeder--tax cuts).

We didn't have a primary season with a self-described democratic socialist and an individual who prompted debates about the exact definition of fascism because meaningful segments of the voting public are satisfied with what's been done for some time now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 08, 2016, 09:52:05 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGaflfAA-O6/

only benji can explain this

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Oblivion on June 08, 2016, 10:33:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2pqX27lc-4

 :oreilly

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: bluemax on June 08, 2016, 11:21:48 PM

So much salt on FB this morning. Best thing I saw was some dude whining about the Bernie loss, then an hour later posting a thing about how Bernie is gonna run as an independent saying The Ole Berninator is a genius and this was the plan all along.

Way too many people screaming conspiracy and posting Dewey v Trump pictures.

Also just before I got to my apartment at the stop light there was a brand new Fiat mini thingy (still had the dealer plates on it) with no less than THREE Bernie stickers and 2 Bernie things in the window. I looked over to see the driver, it was some bimbo blonde in her early 20s.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 09, 2016, 02:14:33 AM

Here's some fun from my twitter feed
(http://i.imgur.com/IsKxz9u.jpg)
:confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on June 09, 2016, 02:24:59 AM

Since Sanders has lost, the rhetoric is now that he's the best at losing and the DNC cannot ignore his electorate (no doubt the essential vanguard of the revolution)... or else !

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 09:36:31 AM

Both candidates suck, just vote for Nader Bernie, what's the worst that could happen?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: octopushover on June 09, 2016, 09:52:50 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/PyScLsU.jpg)

guess the candidate who's next to be sacrificed to the great god SANDRO

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 10:50:48 AM

They best not be talking shit 'bout Warren. :wag

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 01:48:37 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4n8u0t/how_bernie_will_win_california_crucial_info/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4n9axg/bernie_knows_things_we_dont_know_wipe_those_tears/

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6Ei2dDzI0QIcWoSs/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 02:01:15 PM

President Obama has formally endorsed Hillary Clinton.

Can't wait for the Sandersistas to throw him under the bus and call him a hack fraud corrupt shill.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 02:02:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9W0F2mz1jc

:obama :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Steve Contra on June 09, 2016, 02:34:02 PM

The biggest Bernie or Buster on my facebook feed admitted today that he'll be voting for Hillary because he's not actually an idiot turns out.  I suspect lots of this will happen in the coming months.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 02:35:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mnXA454.jpg)
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: octopushover on June 09, 2016, 02:39:31 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 02:35:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mnXA454.jpg)
:dead

 :leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Steve Contra on June 09, 2016, 02:39:52 PM

Fucking savage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2016, 02:41:47 PM

Thought of your blood pressure when I saw this on the front page of MSN today, Walrus.

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Columns/2016/06/09/It-s-Time-Blame-Obamacare-Losing-So-Many-Full-Time-Jobs

Who cares about full-time jobs that couldn't pay for health insurance (i.e. weren't even subsistence wages) in the first place?

Are we going to see a return to vintage "X IS JOBS KILLING POLICY" this electoral season? Is anyone going to point out that the oil industry rewarded the faith placed in it to create jobs by over-producing, over-leveraging and subsequently collapsing, killing jobs of its own volition and stupidity? Is this all too subtle for the ca. 2016 body politic?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 02:55:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 02:35:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mnXA454.jpg)
:dead

Holy fucking shit. :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2016, 03:10:48 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 09, 2016, 02:41:47 PM

Are we going to see a return to vintage "X IS JOBS KILLING POLICY" this electoral season? Is anyone going to point out that the oil industry rewarded the faith placed in it to create jobs by over-producing, over-leveraging and subsequently collapsing, killing jobs of its own volition and stupidity? Is this all too subtle for the ca. 2016 body politic?

Maaaaan, I'm old enough to remember circa 2004 when conservative analysts were arguing that we should look at the household survey instead of the payroll survey for monthly jobs numbers, which happened (at that time) to be much more favorable to the Bush administration.  Five or six years later they discovered that U6 was the real measure of unemployment.

Politics have a way of making people develop deeply held beliefs about obscure topics very suddenly and conveniently.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Steve Contra on June 09, 2016, 03:19:16 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2016/06/read-joe-bidens-open-letter-stanford-suvivor-sexual-assault (http://www.motherjones.com/media/2016/06/read-joe-bidens-open-letter-stanford-suvivor-sexual-assault)

Good lord I'm going to miss Joe Biden.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 03:31:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/5wQFEwb.png)

:aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 03:34:03 PM

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/06/08/reluctant-hillary-clinton-supporters-say-girliguessimwithher/?mod=e2fb

These tweets.  :idont

Welcome aboard, fam :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 03:34:46 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2016, 03:10:48 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 09, 2016, 02:41:47 PM

Are we going to see a return to vintage "X IS JOBS KILLING POLICY" this electoral season? Is anyone going to point out that the oil industry rewarded the faith placed in it to create jobs by over-producing, over-leveraging and subsequently collapsing, killing jobs of its own volition and stupidity? Is this all too subtle for the ca. 2016 body politic?

Maaaaan, I'm old enough to remember circa 2004 when conservative analysts were arguing that we should look at the household survey instead of the payroll survey for monthly jobs numbers, which happened (at that time) to be much more favorable to the Bush administration.  Five or six years later they discovered that U6 was the real measure of unemployment.

Politics have a way of making people develop deeply held beliefs about obscure topics very suddenly and conveniently.

Gotta admire conservatives' ability to play the long game. I can imagine that writer waiting years for a <60k jobs report so he could finally post this opus.

He's probably writing a "Why Obama Was The Most Conservative President Since Reagan" article as we speak, to be released sometime during midterm season in 2018.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: studyguy on June 09, 2016, 03:54:39 PM

Sanders stans concede and affirm what everyone expected they'd do.  ::)
#PUMAsLOL #WeLizardMenNow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 04:09:26 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/w4GjWB9.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ImJFy2l.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/3Jx5u6V.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/l0HHTGG.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Nlbe9qD.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/JcyDBC6.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/oLdVOYg.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/URJnjiN.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/l4a4s32.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/lBQlsnS.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/dV8QTMQ.png)

(http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/006/077/so_good.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 09, 2016, 04:09:37 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 09, 2016, 02:55:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 02:35:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mnXA454.jpg)
:dead

Holy fucking shit. :dead

I don't use twitter, I don't get it. Is Hillary just lobbing an insult at Don? That's it?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2016, 04:10:46 PM

Also, how much obvious effort he put into combing the data to paint the worst possible picture.  "Sure, the headline numbers look better than under Bush, but what about average hours worked in the leisure and hospitality sector!?"

Also, the idea that businesses can't possibly function without paying employees absurdly low wages and benefits seems more of an indictment of the private sector than of labor law to me.  To echo Kara, if the only jobs you can create are ones that don't even adequately cover health costs, why should we defer to your wisdom as a Job Creator?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 04:12:04 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 09, 2016, 04:09:37 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 09, 2016, 02:55:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 02:35:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/mnXA454.jpg)
:dead

Holy fucking shit. :dead

I don't use twitter, I don't get it. Is Hillary just lobbing an insult at Don? That's it?

Yeah.

Trump: "Obama just endorsed Crooked Hillary. He wants four more years of Obama—but nobody else does!"

Hillary: "Delete your account."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 09, 2016, 04:14:44 PM

It's an old person on social media signalling the end of a meme, like that time she dabbed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: TVC15 on June 09, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2016, 04:14:44 PM

It's an old person on social media signalling the end of a meme, like that time she dabbed.

I personally blame Hitlary for the decline in quality of Broad City this season.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 04:17:11 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ozZrG2e.png)

 :shaq

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2016, 04:18:30 PM

Fuckshaming :wag

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2016, 04:21:23 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2016, 03:10:48 PM

Politics have a way of making people develop deeply held beliefs about obscure topics very suddenly and conveniently.

As someone who's been following the Puerto Rico debt issue for awhile now, you would not believe how much the Jones Act is responsible for! I never knew people were so passionate about maritime law!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I did once see a New York Federal Reserve paper about how it didn't help.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 05:03:18 PM

Quote from: Mandark on June 09, 2016, 04:10:46 PM

Also, how much obvious effort he put into combing the data to paint the worst possible picture.  "Sure, the headline numbers look better than under Bush, but what about average hours worked in the leisure and hospitality sector!?"

Also, the idea that businesses can't possibly function without paying employees absurdly low wages and benefits seems more of an indictment of the private sector than of labor law to me.  To echo Kara, if the only jobs you can create are ones that don't even adequately cover health costs, why should we defer to your wisdom as a Job Creator?

How many jobs have you created? The main objective of a business is to make money, and therefore paying employees less and not offering health insurance is an ideal way to reach that objective. That's how the employer market works. If employees are upset they should find a job that offers health insurance, and if this happens enough perhaps the market will adjust accordingly. The last thing we need is government telling businesses what to do.

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:FlameOfCallonor:

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: studyguy on June 09, 2016, 05:08:57 PM

Too early to travel to and discover new worlds
Too late to chart new territories across the globe
Just in time to watch American candidates have a dank twitter beef.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: curly on June 09, 2016, 05:39:55 PM

http://gawker.com/vaping-congressman-compares-trump-u-case-to-muslim-judg-1781420622 (http://gawker.com/vaping-congressman-compares-trump-u-case-to-muslim-judg-1781420622)

Quote

“So let’s say that Chris Kyle, the American sniper, is still alive and he was on trial for something, and his judge was a Muslim-American of Iraqi descent. Here you have Chris Kyle, who’s killed a whole bunch of bad guys in Iraq. Would that be a fair trial for Chris Kyle? If you had that judge there? Probably not. And Chris Kyle could probably say, ‘this guy’s not gonna like me.’”

My representative in congress  :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 09, 2016, 05:52:29 PM

Wow, the dude dies at the end of American Sniper? Spoiler warning much?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brob on June 09, 2016, 05:55:27 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 09, 2016, 05:52:29 PM

Wow, the dude dies at the end of American Sniper? Spoiler warning much?

actually they left the end ambiguous in case they wanna do a sequel

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: octopushover on June 09, 2016, 06:26:06 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 09, 2016, 05:52:29 PM

Wow, the dude dies at the end of American Sniper? Spoiler warning much?

nah he lied about it idiot read a book

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 07:00:41 PM

Quote from: octopushover on June 09, 2016, 06:26:06 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 09, 2016, 05:52:29 PM

Wow, the dude dies at the end of American Sniper? Spoiler warning much?

nah he lied about it idiot read a book

It's only worth reading in the original Klingon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 07:02:36 PM

Quote from: curly on June 09, 2016, 05:39:55 PM

http://gawker.com/vaping-congressman-compares-trump-u-case-to-muslim-judg-1781420622 (http://gawker.com/vaping-congressman-compares-trump-u-case-to-muslim-judg-1781420622)

Quote

“So let’s say that Chris Kyle, the American sniper, is still alive and he was on trial for something, and his judge was a Muslim-American of Iraqi descent. Here you have Chris Kyle, who’s killed a whole bunch of bad guys in Iraq. Would that be a fair trial for Chris Kyle? If you had that judge there? Probably not. And Chris Kyle could probably say, ‘this guy’s not gonna like me.’”

My representative in congress  :usacry

all jokes aside this is some ugly, ugly shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 09, 2016, 07:42:20 PM

All jokes back in the middle, does your mom agree or disagree with the congressman?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 09, 2016, 07:47:04 PM

https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/741051158589018115
:whoo

might need to update this gif fam
(http://i.imgur.com/GpSQYUW.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 09, 2016, 07:51:37 PM

She really needs to run in 8 years.  Damn. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 09, 2016, 08:01:18 PM

I'd be all over a Warren presidency. She's pretty fucking left even by Massachusetts standards. :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2016, 08:57:13 PM

Biden endorsed Corrupt Hillary.

Biden for VP for life is happening!!!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 11:12:10 PM

WSJ, re: Hillary's emails

(http://i.imgur.com/Cl7iaLM.gif)

Quote

The emails, which did not mention the "CIA," "drones" or details about the militant targets, were written within the often-narrow time frame in which State Department officials had to decide whether or not to object to drone strikes before the CIA pulled the trigger, the officials said, according to the Journal.

Law enforcement and intelligence officials said State Department deliberations about the covert CIA drone program should have been conducted over a more secure government computer system designed to handle classified information, the Journal reported.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: bluemax on June 10, 2016, 01:00:03 AM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/democrats-will-learn-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-brush-with-bernie-20160609?page=2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 10, 2016, 01:30:56 AM

ok sure taibi whatever you say

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 10, 2016, 02:09:24 AM

Quote from: bluemax on June 10, 2016, 01:00:03 AM

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/democrats-will-learn-all-the-wrong-lessons-from-brush-with-bernie-20160609?page=2

I haven't read Taibbi in a while.  Is his stuff always this bad now?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 10, 2016, 02:26:12 AM

He mails it in now even on the topic that brought him to fame.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/why-the-banks-should-be-broken-up-20160408

Though admittedly on that I can understand why one might fall into evidentiary fatigue after years of no success at affecting change.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 10, 2016, 02:54:52 AM

I liked the thrust of his Trump article, probably the best thing he's written in the last year or so: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/how-america-made-donald-trump-unstoppable-20160224

He's been a bit all over the place since coming back to Rolling Stone after his version of The Intercept called Racket fell apart. (Though he's not the only one who has run into issues with First Look's apparently poor management.) It's seemed like less of his old long form and focused reporting+rant style and more of this nearly incoherent at points and thesis lacking Bernie article. The bank one is better since it seems to have an actual thesis, but it's still way mailing it in like Kara said, rehashing the same ol same ol.

Maybe he's just transitioning like a lot of these younger "left" writers (Ezra, Greenwald, etc.) into plain ol opinion writing whereas they had cut their teeth before on a level of investigation (direct reporting, looking at data, whatever it was) that others weren't to go with it. And they since dedicate less time to that.

One factor may be their transition into editorial/management positions. I think Greenwald mentioned something about underestimating the shift from working at The Guardian and being able to just do whatever he wanted compared to The Intercept where he's overseeing other people, setting editorial policy, etc. along with trying to do his own work. Ezra may have similar thoughts on that. But now I'm rambling, because I have no oversight and no real responsibilities.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 10, 2016, 12:46:23 PM

The right time to dismiss Trump is after the election when you need to get compromises passed in Congress. I mean, there's probably a ton of people in Congress that just view it as a stepping stone so they'll bullshit some idealism for another year or two but the rest all expect the bubble to pop after the next census.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 10, 2016, 02:25:11 PM

People on my newsfeed freakin out about uncounted votes in California  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: zomgee on June 10, 2016, 03:42:32 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on June 10, 2016, 02:25:11 PM

People on my newsfeed freakin out about uncounted votes in California  :doge

The difference between allegedly and proof is based on your candidate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 10, 2016, 03:48:47 PM

Wasn't California a massive slaughter in favor of Hillary? Bernie bros need to realize that it is over. I saw a bunch of shit on twitter today about how we all need to unfollow Warren cause she is a traitor due to endorsing Hillary and wasn't there when Bernie needed here. Except that Warren is an actual Dem and not a Indie crashing the nomination process. Anytime I see complaints about Sanders not doing more for other democratic candidates I feel compelled to note that 'well, he's not a Democrat...' but he did eventually put a stamp of approval on some hyper progressive peeps running for congress and such.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 04:00:07 PM

:drudge (http://i.imgur.com/yvX8Irk.jpg) :drudge
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/10/exclusive-donald-trump-plans-continue-gop-legacy-leading-womens-civil-rights-racist-sexist-democrats/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 10, 2016, 04:07:11 PM

I posted a quote from benji's link a few pages ago but I find that one a little too "state monopoly capitalism is real!" (which is saying a lot coming from me) and completely dismissive of the possibility that politicians, faced with issues affecting their governed, look for what they think might help even if it might not work in the end. Let's not pretend like it's only insular D.C. types who think taxing investment income unequally is a desirable situation, it's a fairly mainline economic position (along with the unwavering belief that monetarism is sufficient economic policy by states).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 04:35:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiG0AE8zdTU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 10, 2016, 04:42:02 PM

I'd vote for LBJ now and not just because his name is a cool sounding acronym like jam instead of tomatoes.   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: thisismyusername on June 10, 2016, 04:57:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 11:12:10 PM

WSJ, re: Hillary's emails

Quote

should have been conducted over a more secure government computer system

And this is what it comes down to, for me. She still broke the FoIA "law" and is getting away with it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 10, 2016, 05:18:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 04:00:07 PM

:drudge (http://i.imgur.com/yvX8Irk.jpg) :drudge
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/06/10/exclusive-donald-trump-plans-continue-gop-legacy-leading-womens-civil-rights-racist-sexist-democrats/

Hahaha they Use STROM THURMOND as an example of an obstructionist bigoted Democrat when he switched over to being a Republican in 1964 and has been ever since.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 10, 2016, 05:31:12 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on June 10, 2016, 04:57:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 11:12:10 PM

WSJ, re: Hillary's emails

Quote

should have been conducted over a more secure government computer system

And this is what it comes down to, for me. She still broke the FoIA "law" and is getting away with it.

(http://i.imgur.com/skYOFwB.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 10, 2016, 06:13:50 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on June 10, 2016, 04:57:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 11:12:10 PM

WSJ, re: Hillary's emails

Quote

should have been conducted over a more secure government computer system

And this is what it comes down to, for me. She still broke the FoIA "law" and is getting away with it.

From the article Joe posted, it sounds like EVERYBODY in the chain of command for making a drone strike decision was using regular email systems. Which makes them all kind of idiots for not first establishing a system of communication that is readily accessible and at the same time secure but do you charge everyone or give them all a mulligan?

Honestly, I wouldn't want to just excuse this all away. But I don't see any option than to just do that and hope for the best in the future.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 06:14:54 PM

Not sure I've ever heard a conservative give a decent response to the simple "so why did Strom and other dixiecrats leave the democrat party and join the republican party after the CRA passed?" question. And why did the south go from a democrat stronghold to a republican stronghold? And what was Nixon's "law and order" all about?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 10, 2016, 06:19:38 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 06:14:54 PM

Not sure I've ever heard a conservative give a decent response to the simple "so why did Strom and other dixiecrats leave the democrat party and join the republican party after the CRA passed?" question. And why did the south go from a democrat stronghold to a republican stronghold? And what was Nixon's "law and order" all about?

To continue the GOP's legacy of leading on women's, civil rights against sexist, racist democrats.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 10, 2016, 06:23:06 PM

The CPSU's legacy of leading on small businesses (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Economic_Policy).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Stoney Mason on June 10, 2016, 09:17:09 PM

If Mitt Romney thinks you're a racist then you're damn sure a racist by any measure!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 10:37:23 PM

Romney warning that Trump could usher in an era of "trickle down racism" seems like the moment where this judge fiasco reminds me of the Donald Sterling thing. That moment where something so blatantly racist starts reminding me that other, less "sexy" racism almost never registers with people. Just as Sterling had a long history of being a racist so does Trump, and in the same realm (real estate/discriminating against black tenants). And the way Trump and Sterling are portrayed as ancient relics of a past era that we can all collectively shame. Meanwhile they're actually examples of the current system we have, which might as well be trickle down racism. Sterling isn't the only guy who discriminated against black people, Trump isn't the only guy who hates Hispanics, and the fact that we have so many old white dudes like that in positions of power facilitates the everyday, less sexy/blatant racism people like Romney spend their careers denying exists.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 10, 2016, 10:57:14 PM

#FeelTheJohnson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: bluemax on June 10, 2016, 11:26:46 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on June 10, 2016, 09:08:13 AM

Read rollingstone magazine, brehs.

I just saw the link on Twitter where someone called it important or fantastic or something. I can't take any laudatory article about Bernie Sanders seriously anymore even when it is legit.

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 10, 2016, 03:48:47 PM

Wasn't California a massive slaughter in favor of Hillary? Bernie bros need to realize that it is over. I saw a bunch of shit on twitter today about how we all need to unfollow Warren cause she is a traitor due to endorsing Hillary and wasn't there when Bernie needed here. Except that Warren is an actual Dem and not a Indie crashing the nomination process. Anytime I see complaints about Sanders not doing more for other democratic candidates I feel compelled to note that 'well, he's not a Democrat...' but he did eventually put a stamp of approval on some hyper progressive peeps running for congress and such.

I dunno I saw them trying to say he won somehow and the system and media just lied to cover it up. Bernie Bros don't trust the establishment, man!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 11, 2016, 12:08:12 AM

Well I guess Google is altering suggestions to favor Hillary? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2016, 12:19:59 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on June 11, 2016, 12:08:12 AM

Well I guess Google is altering suggestions to favor Hillary? :lol

I had to look this up (http://www.vox.com/2016/6/10/11903028/hillary-clinton-google-debunked) and it's maybe even dumber than "The Onion is in the tank for Hillary."  Lordy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 11, 2016, 01:17:51 AM

This is the version I saw of it

https://www.facebook.com/SourceFedNews/videos/1199514293432055/

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2016, 02:58:16 AM

Didja read my link?  Google doesn't autocomplete "crime" after any celebrity name, including Dennis Hastert, OJ Simpson, Phil Spector, etc.  It's not unique to Hillary at all.

C'mon, man.  AIA should be the only one in this thread who falls for that shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 11, 2016, 03:07:35 AM

Uh, I'm really not pushing this as a conspiracy theory. Think it's kinda funny. Just shared the version I saw that included "indictment" not showing up.

Apparently the list goes on actually!

http://freebeacon.com/politics/here-are-10-more-examples-of-google-search-results-favorable-to-hillary/

Clearly we should march upon Google hq

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2016, 03:10:30 AM

Ah, so funny that people believed it?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 11, 2016, 03:14:23 AM

Funny that people thought it was anything but a result of an algorithm, yeah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 11, 2016, 03:17:51 AM

The best part is people will still be referring to it as accepted fact years from now.  FUD never dies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 11, 2016, 01:17:04 PM

heh

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/10/florida-high-speed-railway-being-built-in-california.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: octopushover on June 11, 2016, 04:25:16 PM

I hope this election brings out more pictures of vintage Hillary.

(http://i.imgur.com/RLaLctw.jpg)

 :mouf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: mormapope on June 11, 2016, 04:33:08 PM

 :dayum

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Oblivion on June 11, 2016, 06:28:54 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 10, 2016, 05:31:12 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on June 10, 2016, 04:57:47 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 09, 2016, 11:12:10 PM

WSJ, re: Hillary's emails

Quote

should have been conducted over a more secure government computer system

And this is what it comes down to, for me. She still broke the FoIA "law" and is getting away with it.

(http://i.imgur.com/skYOFwB.gif)

That gif needs to be updated for the new age:

http://imgur.com/tGhwV3s

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 11, 2016, 06:47:19 PM

New hot video from my newsfeed:


Omg! The voter fraud!

https://www.facebook.com/794854883980129/videos/854361304696153/

spoiler (click to show/hide)

touchscreen calibration is serious business

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 11, 2016, 09:27:36 PM

(http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/CoverStory-Barry-Blitt-Ready-for-a-Fight-690x942-1465571189.jpg)

"You’ve got to respect or at least be impressed by someone who has been counted out many times but repeatedly gets up from the mat, ready for the next round." (http://www.newyorker.com/culture/culture-desk/cover-story-2016-06-20)

:punch

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on June 11, 2016, 09:44:49 PM

Agreed. How many of Trump's businesses have failed and he still keeps entrepreneuring? What a guy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 11, 2016, 09:57:55 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4nljna/bernie_could_win_under_a_third_party_candidacy/

:confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2016, 08:39:55 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 06:14:54 PM

Not sure I've ever heard a conservative give a decent response to the simple "so why did Strom and other dixiecrats leave the democrat party and join the republican party after the CRA passed?" question. And why did the south go from a democrat stronghold to a republican stronghold? And what was Nixon's "law and order" all about?

Thing is Strom Thurmond was the only one who did change parties. Most of the swaps like Phil Gramm, Richard Shelby, etc. all were elected in the late 1970s/early 1980s.

And the South's status as a GOP stronghold has been oversold by focus on the Presidency and may be running out of steam. The GOP wasn't even a viable party in the South until the 1980's, and didn't start controlling state houses until the 2000s.

I think general Social Conservatism/Religious Right Rise/etc. explains as much, if not more than trickle-down racism. The northern Reagan Democrats abandoned at about the same time because of the McGovern-Mondale-Jackson "hard-left" swing of the Democrats outside of History's Greatest Monster.

"Law and order" was definitely a coded statement about the race riots, that's the entire reason Agnew got on the ticket despite being a Rockefeller Republican, he stood up against the black establishment in Maryland so he became acceptable in the South even though he was easily less conservative than Nixon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2016, 08:40:10 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 12, 2016, 08:39:55 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 10, 2016, 06:14:54 PM

Not sure I've ever heard a conservative give a decent response to the simple "so why did Strom and other dixiecrats leave the democrat party and join the republican party after the CRA passed?" question. And why did the south go from a democrat stronghold to a republican stronghold? And what was Nixon's "law and order" all about?

Thing is Strom Thurmond was the only one who did change parties. Most of the swaps like Phil Gramm, Richard Shelby, etc. all were elected in the late 1970s/early 1980s.

And the South's status as a GOP stronghold has been oversold by focus on the Presidency and may be running out of steam. The GOP wasn't even a viable party in the South until the 1980's, and didn't start controlling state houses until the 2000s.

I think general Social Conservatism/Religious Right Rise/etc. explains as much, if not more than trickle-down racism. The northern Reagan Democrats abandoned at about the same time because of the McGovern-Mondale-Jackson "hard-left" swing of the Democrats outside of History's Greatest Monster.

"Law and order" was definitely a coded statement about the race riots, that's the entire reason Agnew got on the ticket despite being a Rockefeller Republican, he stood up against the black establishment in Maryland so he became acceptable in the South even though he was easily less conservative than Nixon.

:paul

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2016, 08:40:49 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/tulsi-gabbard-superdelegate-petition-224220

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The Democratic presidential primary process may be ending next Tuesday, but the fight among Bernie Sanders supporters to rid the party of superdelegates and install new leadership at the Democratic National Committee is not.

Hawaii Rep. Tulsi Gabbard encouraged her followers on Saturday to sign a petition ending the Democratic Party’s use of superdelegates.

“Whether you are a Bernie Sanders supporter or a Hillary Clinton supporter, we should all agree that unelected party officials and lobbyists should not have a say in who the presidential nominee of our party is,” she wrote in a Facebook post. “That should be left up to the voters.”

Gabbard resigned as a vice chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee in February to publicly endorse the Vermont senator’s campaign.

Gabbard isn’t alone in the fight: The West Virginia Democratic Party at its state convention Saturday passed a resolution calling for the elimination of superdelegates, or that superdelegates be required “in each state to vote in the same relative proportion as the elected delegates of the state they represent.”

Sanders defeated Clinton in the May 10 West Virginia Democratic primary, 51.4 percent to 35.8 percent. He picked up 18 delegates; Clinton picked up 11, according to the Associated Press.

The party also passed a resolution calling for the resignation of DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

“… If she does not resign in a timely manner, we call on the Democratic National Committee [to] take whatever steps are necessary and proper to remove her and install a new Chairperson,” the resolution reads.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 12, 2016, 12:13:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 12, 2016, 08:39:55 AM

I think general Social Conservatism/Religious Right Rise/etc. explains as much, if not more than trickle-down racism.

nah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 12, 2016, 01:45:20 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976

At this point I'd be worried that someone is just going to take it on themselves to "deal" with Trump. You can't piss so many people off so often.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 12, 2016, 01:53:36 PM

If he becomes a Republican martyr before being slaughtered by Hillary, that would be very, very bad for this country.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 12, 2016, 07:11:21 PM

Can we please just keep Obama please

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2016, 07:11:56 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/news/3993058-155/poll-trumps-unpopularity-could-swing-utahns

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Donald Trump's brash swagger and outlandish behavior have made him so unpopular in Utah that a new poll shows the state could swing to Hillary Clinton in November, potentially becoming the first time in 52 years that a Democrat has won the Beehive State.

Clinton and Trump are knotted at 35 percent, with five months of campaigning remaining before the election, according to the survey conducted for The Salt Lake Tribune and the Hinckley Institute of Politics at the University of Utah.

Libertarian Party nominee Gary Johnson draws 13 percent, a remarkably strong showing for the candidate who garnered 1.2 percent as the party's candidate four years ago.

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The_Unbeliever • 19 hours ago
That it's not a landslide for Hillary tells me everything I need to know about Utah. I was in the waiting room of a car repair shop the other day and listened to a man tell me that he knew for a fact Hillary is going to prison because of Benghazi, another informed me that people work for minimum wage because they are too lazy to better themselves. It seems to me that often the more Christian someone says they are, the less Christian they act and sometimes the more stupid they seem.
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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: curly on June 12, 2016, 08:14:49 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 12, 2016, 05:50:51 PM

FOIA is fucking garbage.

 :beli

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 13, 2016, 02:41:35 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on June 12, 2016, 01:45:20 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976

At this point I'd be worried that someone is just going to take it on themselves to "deal" with Trump. You can't piss so many people off so often.

two things have surprised me about Trump so far...

#1 that he hasn't yet dropped a full-on slur into a hot mike
#2 that he hasn't yet received a serious attempt on his life

I fully agree. I even kind of think if in the unlikely event that brought him to the presidency, that he wouldn't last long before somebody frags his ass. Hate breeds hate, and if the Secret Service can't be arsed to keep the first black president completely safe (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/watchdog-outlines-secret-service-failures-in-incident-involving-man-entering-white-house/), I fail to see how they defend the orange rage magnet against any one out of millions of people he's antagonizing who decides they have nothing else to lose.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: chronovore on June 13, 2016, 04:34:09 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 13, 2016, 02:41:35 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on June 12, 2016, 01:45:20 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/742034549232766976

At this point I'd be worried that someone is just going to take it on themselves to "deal" with Trump. You can't piss so many people off so often.

two things have surprised me about Trump so far...

#1 that he hasn't yet dropped a full-on slur into a hot mike
#2 that he hasn't yet received a serious attempt on his life

I fully agree. I even kind of think if in the unlikely event that brought him to the presidency, that he wouldn't last long before somebody frags his ass. Hate breeds hate, and if the Secret Service can't be arsed to keep the first black president completely safe (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/watchdog-outlines-secret-service-failures-in-incident-involving-man-entering-white-house/), I fail to see how they defend the orange rage magnet against any one out of millions of people he's antagonizing who decides they have nothing else to lose.

I keep wondering if they'll have something like Olympus Has Fallen, but we're all rooting for Rick Yune or Dylan McDermott.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 13, 2016, 11:23:19 AM

Bernie Sanders making John Edwards seem fair and balanced  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 13, 2016, 11:24:01 AM

Quote from: octopushover on June 11, 2016, 04:25:16 PM

I hope this election brings out more pictures of vintage Hillary.

(http://i.imgur.com/RLaLctw.jpg)

 :mouf

Which one is she in that pic?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on June 13, 2016, 06:29:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 13, 2016, 11:23:19 AM

Bernie Sanders making John Edwards seem fair and balanced  :doge

:confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 13, 2016, 07:39:09 PM

Did a quick search and still not sure what AiA is referring to. :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 13, 2016, 07:42:58 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-chris-christie-manservant-mcdonalds

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“[Christie] has transformed himself into a sort of manservant, who is constantly with Trump at events,” Ryan Lizza wrote in the magazine’s June 20 issue. Lizza also said one anonymous Republican source told him a friend on Trump’s campaign “used Snapchat to send him a video of Christie fetching Trump’s McDonald’s order.”

(https://media.giphy.com/media/D5y0LCV4it38c/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2016, 07:43:51 PM

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2016, 10:50:33 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/trump-washington-post-credentials-224281

No brakes on the Trump Train.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 13, 2016, 11:00:11 PM

Wow I'm so surprised that he's previously banned Univision. :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 14, 2016, 12:32:38 AM

Remember a few weeks ago when people were seriously suggesting that Trump was going to settle down and start acting more Presidential with the GOP nomination finally locked up? :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2016, 10:34:00 AM

He couldn't even sit back and watch the terrorist attack play out in his favor. Maybe just give his condolences, affirm he's going to destroy ISIS, mention now is again the time to ban Muslim immigration, etc. Instead he congratulated himself, accused Obama of being a terrorist, and made one of the worst foreign policy speeches ever. Oh and he yanked the WaPo's press pass thus making it a story. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 14, 2016, 01:49:39 PM

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/742707788858679296

Trump has made Utah a battleground state, brehs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 14, 2016, 02:01:32 PM

Trump gonna get BTFO in November and I'll have this face the entire time: :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: helios on June 14, 2016, 04:19:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HxkCb5ySSM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: mormapope on June 14, 2016, 04:47:54 PM

Anderson Cooper roasted her in the most professional and intelligent way possible

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 14, 2016, 05:59:54 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on June 14, 2016, 01:49:39 PM

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/status/742707788858679296

Trump has made Utah a battleground state, brehs

Probably because of how hard he fights for the LGBT community.

(http://i.imgur.com/rah58SJ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: zomgee on June 14, 2016, 07:00:27 PM

Big Trump Tent

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Atramental on June 14, 2016, 07:02:26 PM

Quote from: zomgee on June 14, 2016, 07:00:27 PM

Big Trump Tent

Which also happens to be an extra pair of Chris Christie's pants.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2016, 07:20:11 PM

Kara
https://twitter.com/kenvogel/status/742842478009679873

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 14, 2016, 08:05:16 PM

It's nice to know that public service will always be a viable career path for me. :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2016, 09:51:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoAriULv1P8&feature=youtu.be

:mindblown

edit: I should clarify yea a lot of stealing was going on but that's not something you say as a presidential candidate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 14, 2016, 10:02:22 PM

I wondered how Bis could afford ab implants.



http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/14/politics/newt-gingrich-house-un-american-activities-committee/index.html?ofs=fbia

SMH

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 14, 2016, 11:55:31 PM

Seriously had it with the gun nuts on Facebook. Buh buh semi auto! Like shit like this isn't around to make that distinction meaningless http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PYThNUVZrYM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 15, 2016, 12:02:41 AM

I want to argue with you about that but first let me change my profile pic to a lifted 4x4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2016, 12:43:49 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 14, 2016, 09:51:11 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoAriULv1P8&feature=youtu.be

:mindblown

edit: I should clarify yea a lot of stealing was going on but that's not something you say as a presidential candidate

Man, is Three Kings on Netflix? I'd rewatch that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 15, 2016, 02:41:46 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

Don't discount how deadly handguns can be in mass shootings, they're easier to reload. I actually think most of the victims at Sandy Hook were shot with a pistol rather than the AR15.

Plus I'm sure you know that handguns are the main weapon for homicide and all that so they really are the biggest problem and have to be dealt with somehow. Even as little as a universal background check system would be a step forward.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 15, 2016, 02:51:40 AM

One step at a time. The original draft of that post just said shotguns.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 15, 2016, 03:12:32 AM

Sorry, I definitely didn't want to imply that you would want to take the easiest solution. There's just a lot to get confused by when it comes to how guns can be used and state-by-state laws which puts it on the level of the Israel-Palestine debate as far as being a clusterfuck where everyone has an intuitive solution but then the problem goes on for years and years which honestly makes me depressed to do more than explain whatever background facts that I can.

And I hardly am an expert on either issue or see a real path forward.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2016, 04:13:51 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2016, 12:43:49 AM

Man, is Three Kings on Netflix? I'd rewatch that.

Doesn't appear to be available for "free" streaming anywhere, $3 on Amazon/iTunes/YouTube/etc.

I'm am tweeting Trump about this horse shit, he can get it done unlike Corrupt Hillary and Crazy Bernie, Make America Great Again with free Three Kings streaming for all citizens.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 06:37:54 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

Handguns and shotguns can be semi-auto too.  :P

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2016, 07:29:16 AM

yeah, semi-automatic just means it fires every time you pull the trigger

you don't have to manually load the next shot like with say a bolt-action or some kind of old timey revolver where you have to spin the action

automatic firearms are already heavily restricted in the united states and have been since the 1930s, you have to go through the ATF and such...thanks prohibition

(disclaimer: 96% of my gun knowledge and usage comes from world war i and ii era firearms)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 15, 2016, 07:40:21 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 09:38:39 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 15, 2016, 07:40:21 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

I more or less agree.   It's the fetish-ization of self defense in America that is a major part of the problem.

I kind of feel that "self defense" is a less valid reason for allowing gun ownership than someone who wants one for recreational target shooting.  But that's just me.

Like I've said before, I carry a gun 40 hours a week, and do think guns can be "cool" from a hobbyist perspective, but I feel absolutely no need or desire to carry a gun 41 hours a week.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on June 15, 2016, 10:07:32 AM

Quote from: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 09:38:39 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 15, 2016, 07:40:21 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

I more or less agree.   It's the fetish-ization of self defense in America that is a major part of the problem.

I kind of feel that "self defense" is a less valid reason for allowing gun ownership than someone who wants one for recreational target shooting.  But that's just me.

Like I've said before, I carry a gun 40 hours a week, and do think guns can be "cool" from a hobbyist perspective, but I feel absolutely no need or desire to carry a gun 41 hours a week.

I agree with this. The defense angle always reeks of "I wish I could have a Rambo moment and shoot someone"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 15, 2016, 10:13:56 AM

Makes sense to me. Hunting rifle is also something you can really check up on if the person hunts.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: octopushover on June 15, 2016, 10:20:56 AM

Quote from: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 09:38:39 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 15, 2016, 07:40:21 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

You really don't need a gun to defend yourself Andy.

You only feel this way cause people around you might have guns.

I've never felt like I needed a gun.

I more or less agree.   It's the fetish-ization of self defense in America that is a major part of the problem.

I kind of feel that "self defense" is a less valid reason for allowing gun ownership than someone who wants one for recreational target shooting.  But that's just me.

Like I've said before, I carry a gun 40 hours a week, and do think guns can be "cool" from a hobbyist perspective, but I feel absolutely no need or desire to carry a gun 41 hours a week.

like i'm supposed to believe a cop from toronto doesn't work any paid overtime.

 :comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Rufus on June 15, 2016, 12:00:33 PM

https://twitter.com/MazMHussain/status/742851199838355456

Justify your actions like honest to god movie villains, CIA brehs. :heh

This is the case he's talking about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_El-Masri#Abduction_and_CIA_torture_in_Macedonia

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 12:00:43 PM

I was being rhetorical.  :-*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 15, 2016, 12:31:14 PM

Only allow blunderbusses and you have to dress like a Pilgrim even if you're concealed carrying the pistol size type.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: mormapope on June 15, 2016, 02:09:49 PM

Quote from: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 06:37:54 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 14, 2016, 11:58:52 PM

The only guns that should be legal are shotguns and handguns, for hunting and self-defense purposes respectively. Semi-auto? Get the fuck out.

Handguns and shotguns can be semi-auto too.  :P

Shotguns can also be magazine fed.

I also agree with the self defense reasoning stated by people being some sort of Rambo fantasy. Guns are really fun to shoot and its a neat hobby to have, but you're sort of a pussy if you feel you need to be armed at all times.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Rufus on June 15, 2016, 02:50:16 PM

I wonder if gun nuts who imagine all sorts of rad self-defense scenarios do as much prevention in other (more realistic) areas. My gut says no, but who knows.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 15, 2016, 02:52:51 PM

I guarantee no one would dress like a Pilgrim in order to be prepared for a shootout that will never happen, it's why I added it to my gun control proposal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on June 15, 2016, 02:53:08 PM

I'd like to build a bunker and stock up and food and toilet paper.  My wife isn't convinced though... yet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 15, 2016, 03:02:23 PM

Russia says they might release the hacked emails once the Kremlin gives it the go ahead.

Also Russia apparently hacked the DNC and stole documents about Donald Trump.

The fuckery this election is so intense that there's no turning back now.  Too many bells that can't be unrung after November, regardless of who wins.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 15, 2016, 03:40:50 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/nc-trump-rally-account-scariest-thing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 15, 2016, 03:52:14 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 15, 2016, 04:03:47 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on June 15, 2016, 03:52:14 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbM6WbUw7Bs

This would be funny if it weren't for

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 15, 2016, 03:40:50 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/nc-trump-rally-account-scariest-thing

Shit is genuinely disturbing at this point.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 15, 2016, 04:10:10 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 15, 2016, 02:53:08 PM

I'd like to build a bunker and stock up and food and toilet paper.  My wife isn't convinced though... yet.

Give your bunker mate a choice in the matter  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 15, 2016, 04:10:38 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 15, 2016, 02:53:08 PM

I'd like to build a bunker and stock up and food and toilet paper.  My wife isn't convinced though... yet.

I'm sure those open carry yahoos are paid up on their long-term care premiums, their supplemental catastrophic insurance premiums, fully funded on their retirement for the year, and all the other risk mitigation tools available to individuals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2016, 04:21:12 PM

If Trump is elected our objective should be pretty clear: protect Mupepe. He's one of the good ones. :tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 05:12:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2016, 04:21:12 PM

If Trump is elected our objective should be pretty clear: protect Mupepe. He's one of the good ones. :tocry

If Trump is elected, I'm going to have to resurrect the Bore's "Move in to Boogie's spare room" sweepstakes, for realsies.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

But yeah, Mups probably still has a built-in advantage there.  :-*

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Atramental on June 15, 2016, 05:26:41 PM

That reminds me... I need to get myself a passport.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 15, 2016, 06:13:25 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 15, 2016, 10:07:32 AM

Quote from: Boogie on June 15, 2016, 09:38:39 AM

I kind of feel that "self defense" is a less valid reason for allowing gun ownership than someone who wants one for recreational target shooting.  But that's just me.

Like I've said before, I carry a gun 40 hours a week, and do think guns can be "cool" from a hobbyist perspective, but I feel absolutely no need or desire to carry a gun 41 hours a week.

I agree with this. The defense angle always reeks of "I wish I could have a Rambo moment and shoot someone"

Yeah, every argument about gun control involves at least one person saying "Well without guns, what should I do if..." followed by a disturbingly elaborate and often sexualized home-invasion scenario.  Erotic fan fiction is probably a better outlet for those impulses than weaponry, but what do I know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on June 15, 2016, 06:52:35 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 15, 2016, 04:10:38 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on June 15, 2016, 02:53:08 PM

I'd like to build a bunker and stock up and food and toilet paper.  My wife isn't convinced though... yet.

I'm sure those open carry yahoos are paid up on their long-term care premiums, their supplemental catastrophic insurance premiums, fully funded on their retirement for the year, and all the other risk mitigation tools available to individuals.

They've got a cooler full of Bud Light. That's all the insurance they need 

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 15, 2016, 04:21:12 PM

If Trump is elected our objective should be pretty clear: protect Mupepe. He's one of the good ones. :tocry

My wife and i will both make good housekeepers. It's in our blood.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2016, 07:27:56 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on June 15, 2016, 03:40:50 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/06/nc-trump-rally-account-scariest-thing

 :-\

On a brighter note, absent a complete economic meltdown or some incredibly major terrorist attacks, the GOP is going to get absolutely destroyed in November.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 16, 2016, 12:00:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SL3okMs6q7c

not The Onion.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brob on June 16, 2016, 12:11:55 AM

are there any compelling conspiracy theories/fan fics explaining Mitt having two navels?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2016, 01:02:22 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh_GFkdxwbQ

When you see it...  :whoo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 16, 2016, 01:19:17 AM

I could've lived a long happy life without knowing Mitt shaves his chest and arm pits :goty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: sarslip on June 16, 2016, 09:21:07 AM

fuck yeah Murphy!  CT senators FTW.  so glad we didnt elect linda mcmahon rn  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 16, 2016, 03:22:28 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/hFtN5Kh.png)

Wilson is still a fucktard, but I'll dap him for this one.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 16, 2016, 03:49:29 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/report-donald-trump-plans-to-create-media-empire-after-election/

Quote

Sources close to Trump tell VF that the real estate mogul “has become irked by his ability to create revenue for other media organizations without being able to take a cut himself. Such a situation ‘brings him to the conclusion that he has the business acumen and the ratings for his own network.’”

Trump reportedly sees his supporters as an exploitable “audience” that he could tap after the election. “Win or lose, we are onto something here. We’ve triggered a base of the population that hasn’t had a voice in a long time,” a source tells them.

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Rufus on June 16, 2016, 04:00:48 PM

Going full Berlusconi.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2016, 04:52:06 PM

Quote from: brob on June 16, 2016, 12:11:55 AM

are there any compelling conspiracy theories/fan fics explaining Mitt having two navels?  :doge

Compensation for missing two ribs.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 16, 2016, 08:15:27 PM

www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/john-mccain-obama-directly-responsible-orlando-shooting/index.html

What a salty old fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2016, 08:33:30 PM

Still salty seven and a half years later. :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 16, 2016, 09:24:39 PM

There was a time when I respected Big John. :pacspit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: chronovore on June 16, 2016, 11:02:09 PM

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/06/if-bill-oreilly-believes-its-time-for-gun-control/

tl;dr - one of the great bastions of conservative propagandizing has actually said legislation is needed.  :o :o :o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2016, 11:30:46 PM

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-show-hillary-lead-trump/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 16, 2016, 11:33:35 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/qsrBVQv.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 16, 2016, 11:44:09 PM

Quote from: chronovore on June 16, 2016, 11:02:09 PM

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/06/if-bill-oreilly-believes-its-time-for-gun-control/

tl;dr - one of the great bastions of conservative propagandizing has actually said legislation is needed.  :o :o :o

Bill's actually been in favor of that for a long time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Syph on June 17, 2016, 03:23:45 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 16, 2016, 09:24:39 PM

There was a time when I respected Big John. :pacspit

same, but hes got harsh old man syndrome now
just ignore him and let him yell until 5pm when he goes to sleep

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 17, 2016, 05:37:45 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 16, 2016, 08:33:30 PM

Still salty seven and a half years later. :heh

Prob just senile

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 17, 2016, 01:03:29 PM

http://theantimedia.org/leaked-emails-dnc-rig-media-hillary/

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FEt84p9LKOE/UlfOxo28-II/AAAAAAAAKLk/px1_cPjYwic/s1600/Scandalous.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 17, 2016, 01:43:42 PM

Do said emails state how much Tasty gets for each Hillary post? :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 17, 2016, 02:04:32 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on June 17, 2016, 01:43:42 PM

Do said emails state how much Tasty gets for each Hillary post? :doge

She promised me a spot on SCOTUS. :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2016, 02:09:01 PM

slay queen, YAS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Yeti on June 17, 2016, 08:56:18 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2016, 02:04:32 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on June 17, 2016, 01:43:42 PM

Do said emails state how much Tasty gets for each Hillary post? :doge

She promised me a spot on SCOTUS. :aah

You misheard, she promised you a spot on her SCROTUM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 17, 2016, 09:27:28 PM

Quote from: Yeti on June 17, 2016, 08:56:18 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 17, 2016, 02:04:32 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on June 17, 2016, 01:43:42 PM

Do said emails state how much Tasty gets for each Hillary post? :doge

She promised me a spot on SCOTUS. :aah

You misheard, she promised you a spot on her SCROTUM

:leon Even better

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 17, 2016, 09:41:10 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/republicans-muslims-lgbt-orlando-attack

The same Republicans who have argued that gay couples should not be allowed to marry, that LGBT Americans don't need federal anti-discrimination protections and that trans people should not use the bathroom that matches their identity are now claiming that they -- not Democrats -- are the party on the LGBT community's side.

Their reasoning? That somehow, in the wake of the Orlando shooting at a gay night club that left 49 people dead, there's now a mutually exclusive choice between supporting Muslims and protecting gay people, and Democrats have chosen the former.

The unlovely premise of that rationale is that all Muslims are terrorists, as one Republican congressman has baldly stated.

"Democrats are in a perplexing position. On the one hand, they’re trying to appeal to the gay community, but, on the other hand, they’re trying to also appeal to the Muslim community, which, if it had its way, would kill every homosexual in the United States of America,” Rep. Mo Brooks (R-AL) said on a radio show Thursday.

Check and mate, liberals. :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 17, 2016, 10:01:58 PM

https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/743983545337659392

yikes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 17, 2016, 10:25:32 PM

We all saw that coming, right?  "The victims should have had guns" is the de facto NRA argument, and Trump knows what audience he's playing to.

Obviously a nightclub is the last place you want all the customers to be carrying, but this is about fantasies of righteous violence, not common sense.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 17, 2016, 11:05:33 PM

Saw a bumper sticker today that said something to the effect of "9 mm responds faster than 911" and I wondered what the owner would want to do if someone in their immediate vicinity had a heart attack, a Mozambique drill?

They were driving a Ford Edge, which is to say it's safe to assume that they are the polar opposite of a rugged individual.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2016, 11:40:00 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 17, 2016, 11:05:33 PM

Saw a bumper sticker today that said something to the effect of "9 mm responds faster than 911" and I wondered what the owner would want to do if someone in their immediate vicinity had a heart attack, a Mozambique drill?

There's nothing medical science could do for him. It's in God's hands now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on June 17, 2016, 11:40:32 PM

I'll be honest. I have a sign that resembles a security sign and says "This house is protected by Colt" and has a picture of a Colt 1903. I can't bring myself to put it anywhere besides my man cave because 1) I will be one step closer to that guy who has those stupid gun rights bumper stickers and 2) it seems like a nice way to say "Rob me!!!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Rufus on June 18, 2016, 06:25:14 AM

In a couple of decades, said Colt will be a robotic autoturret disguised as a labradoodle.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brob on June 18, 2016, 06:41:27 AM

http://forward.com/opinion/national/342905/unmasking-the-anti-semitic-meme-of-asuka/

mitchell & webb - are we the baddies (get on the floor shinji remix) dot mp3

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: bluemax on June 18, 2016, 03:18:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 17, 2016, 11:40:00 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 17, 2016, 11:05:33 PM

Saw a bumper sticker today that said something to the effect of "9 mm responds faster than 911" and I wondered what the owner would want to do if someone in their immediate vicinity had a heart attack, a Mozambique drill?

There's nothing medical science could do for him. It's in God's hands now.

Thoughts and prayers

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: chronovore on June 18, 2016, 11:05:59 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 16, 2016, 11:44:09 PM

Quote from: chronovore on June 16, 2016, 11:02:09 PM

http://thedailybanter.com/2016/06/if-bill-oreilly-believes-its-time-for-gun-control/

tl;dr - one of the great bastions of conservative propagandizing has actually said legislation is needed.  :o :o :o

Bill's actually been in favor of that for a long time.

For serious? I had no idea.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 19, 2016, 01:37:12 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2016/06/16/just-where-does-bill-oreilly-stand-on-gun-control/

Quote

Yet it’s not surprising to those of us who were watching with intense interest in July 2012, when O’Reilly advocated certain new governmental responsibilities after the Aurora, Colo., movie theater massacre. “It … makes sense for Congress to pass a new law that requires the sale of all heavy weapons to be reported to the FBI. In this age of terrorism, that law is badly needed.” Aurora gunman James Holmes had assembled all manner of equipment via the Internet, and O’Reilly, in a chat with Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah), riffed away:

That kid’s purchase on the Internet wasn’t reported to any federal agency. That’s why he was able to assemble that armor that he had. And you are telling me you — you object to this? This doesn’t intrude on any hunter, anybody with a handgun to protect themselves. … This guy in Colorado got all this stuff and nobody knew about it.

So that’s O’Reilly’s position on gun control, right? He believes in it.

Or maybe … not? After the Newtown massacre in December 2012, he said, in part: “Simply passing laws against gun possession will not stop mass murder. It would be like England banning knives after Jack the Ripper’s killing spree.” And: “There is an evil in the universe and you can’t stop it. You can’t stop it, and we just have to deal with it.”

So I guess he sort of is for it some of the time :^)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 01:39:21 AM

Gun control comes in, gun control goes out, you can't explain that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 19, 2016, 01:40:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfjI9_fpekM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 01:44:51 AM

https://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-supporters-practice-getting-arrested-at-the-democrati

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In the basement of the Lakeside Center, where the Summit was held, some of those younger Sanders supporters prepared for what they called “direct action” — loud, consistent, and perhaps disruptive protest outside the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia. Several dozen of them attended a training on how to march, how to follow a chant, how to defy police orders to disperse by sitting and locking arms in what’s called a “human chain,” and how to conduct themselves when the police stepped in and physically removed them.

Trainers wearing fake badges waded among the chanting and human-chained “protesters,” pulling them apart, putting their hands behind their backs, and leading them away.

The simulation was for what training leaders called “a blockade,” but they stressed blocking busy intersections or other disruptions may not be what the final protest plan looks like. “Direct action,” said participants in the training, is non-violent and peaceful.

Thousands of Sanders supporters have already signed a Facebook petition promising to protest the Democratic convention. Many of those gathered at The People’s Summit expected those protests to include police stepping in. Rumors of police efforts to push protests back from the convention site or other efforts by the authorities to quiet the Sanders uprising abounded in the training session.

“They’re going to arrest people, period, end of story. So we just want to prepare ourselves,” said Cassidy Turner of San Diego. “We’re not going to be violent, we don’t really have a reason to get arrested but it’s going to happen. So we want to prepare ourselves.”

The protests will be ineffective if they don’t attract at least some attention from delegates in Philadelphia, Sanders supporters said.

“If we just let it be as convenient as possible, then that’s usually what’s most inconvenient for America,” said Cain Deheve of Chicago. “We don’t want to disrupt the outside world. We want to show them that there’s something serious going on here and we wouldn’t just be risking getting arrested or anything else for no reason.”

“Getting arrested itself is not what really proves anything. But I believe that there is a reason that [Philadelphia authorities] have made it illegal to do protests and stuff like that,” he said. “The establishment does not want us to disrupt the actions that they are doing. They want us to stay calm. It’s not about getting arrested. It’s about questioning authority.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 19, 2016, 02:15:11 AM

Quote

The protests will be ineffective...Sanders supporters said.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 19, 2016, 02:21:03 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/7DJxeJe.jpg)

 :dolezal :cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 19, 2016, 01:53:55 PM

More leaks from the DNC hack: https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/18/new-docs-from-dnc/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 19, 2016, 02:49:07 PM

O no you have been outed. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 11:51:47 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146157026376/how-to-un-hypnotize-a-rabid-anti-trumper

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2016, 01:07:19 AM

the replies to this  :rofl
https://twitter.com/JeremyMcLellan/status/742756095362531329

Quote

Jeremy McLellan ‏@JeremyMcLellan
"Only paranoid idiots want AR-15s in case the government becomes tyrannical."
"What do you think of Trump?"
"He's literally the next Hitler"

Quote

Phishie from Philly ‏@Phishie_Philly  Jun 15
@JeremyMcLellan @PugOnTheRight
Obama says only few Moslems are bad so we shouldnt ban them all so why ban AR15 if only a few owners are bad!

eric golub ‏@TYGRRRREXPRESS  Jun 15
@JeremyMcLellan Thanks for linking guy who murdered my family & nearly murdered my dad with guy my dad is voting for. Keep it classy libs!

Dianne ‏@DianneInIndiana  Jun 15
@JeremyMcLellan If Trump is literally the next Hitler, don't you want guns to protect yourself if he turns the government tyrannical? #Idiot

Casey neer ‏@NeerCasey  Jun 16
@JeremyMcLellan  our founding fathers would disagree. Hitler advocated gun control what does that tell you? Jerkoff

Joey Mitchell ‏@Joey_Mitchell63  Jun 14
@JeremyMcLellan obviously you are in the wrong country, or maybe you like shitting on the constitution, and individual rights. Ban Islam 1st

Brad Orton ‏@BradANGSA  13h13 hours ago
"@JeremyMcLellan @instapundit If you really believe that Trump is Hitler then you better get a gun to defend yourself... you are paranoid

Wake me in September ‏@lvuteMoir  Jun 18
@JeremyMcLellan Literally? Do you even know what that word means? 😂😂😂😂😂

Athenia for Trump! ‏@Oscaretta  Jun 16
@JeremyMcLellan @OurbabyMinx hitler and Castro TOOK guns away from law abiding citizens. You all need to learn to read!

SUMCMBARN ‏@MSUMCMBARN  Jun 15
@JeremyMcLellan @LOR3LE1 Sir Jeremy, Hitler was a socialist. Read some history, educate yourself.

Phishie from Philly ‏@Phishie_Philly  Jun 15
@JeremyMcLellan @PugOnTheRight
Jeremy,
Screw you & ur pathetic attack on 2nd amendment. AR-15's are used for sport hunting & home defense

Phishie from Philly ‏@Phishie_Philly  Jun 15
@JeremyMcLellan @PugOnTheRight
You're a hypocrite just trying to get favs & RT's. Ppl like u have hurt our country in more ways than 1.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: TakingBackSunday on June 20, 2016, 03:09:10 AM

Moslems

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on June 20, 2016, 07:26:21 AM

argue on twitter, brehs?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2016, 08:46:10 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 11:51:47 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146157026376/how-to-un-hypnotize-a-rabid-anti-trumper

He was on the Bill Maher show a few weeks ago.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/05/28/dilbert_creator_scott_adams_to_bill_maher_donald_trump_will_win_election_in_a_landslide.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 20, 2016, 11:34:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 11:51:47 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/146157026376/how-to-un-hypnotize-a-rabid-anti-trumper

if that fails, try this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOfAXB4yYNc)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2016, 11:38:12 AM

UH OH HERE COMES THE PIVOT(tm)

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-corey-lewandowski-part-ways

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 20, 2016, 12:50:38 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ClZmpWJWYAAJrSD.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 20, 2016, 01:46:49 PM

https://twitter.com/sarahkliff/status/744946670304108545

Damn wasteful libruls

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 01:59:14 PM

Quote

@DanaHoule

Appears Lewandowski was fired w no severance, thus no non-disclosure. And he was vetting VP’s. He may be an amazing OTR source.

https://twitter.com/DanaHoule/status/744932378347376641

oh boy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 20, 2016, 04:58:06 PM

So, by all accounts the Trump campaign is in complete disarray, several understaffed, and beginning to run out of money. Oh, and several prominent Republicans have been desperately trying to distance themselves from him. And we're still a month away from the convention. I can't imagine that there are too many high-ranking Republicans right now who are looking at this situation and finding themselves satisfied. I don't think there's any way they can stop him getting the nomination in Cleveland, but I would bet good money that they're scouring the rules looking for a way.

Also, this:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michael-caputo-trump-resigns-never-tweet

After sending out a tweet Monday dancing on ex-campaign manager Corey Lewandowski's grave, top adviser Michael Caputo admitted the tweet was "too exuberant" and resigned his post with Donald Trump's campaign.

When news broke that Corey Lewandowski had been ousted from the campaign following months of discord with other top staffers and Trump's adult children, Caputo tweeted, "Ding dong the witch is dead!", an allusion to the famed "Wizard of Oz" villain.

In a letter addressed to top aide Paul Manafort and Rick Gates and obtained by CNN, Caputo asked that his resignation be effective immediately.

"I regret sending out a tweet today alluding to the firing of Corey Lewandowski. In hindsight, that was too exuberant a reaction to this personnel move," Caputo wrote, according to CNN. "I know this is a distraction from the kind of campaign you want to run, so I'm resigning my position as director of communications for caucus operations at the 2016 Republican Convention."

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 20, 2016, 06:11:19 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-arrests-high-ranking-york-city-police-officers-39986127

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 20, 2016, 06:44:25 PM

Man the final weeks of the election will be like the Battle of Berlin for Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 20, 2016, 07:34:25 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36582770

its begun

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: AdmiralViscen on June 20, 2016, 09:24:16 PM

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I can't wait for reports on what the meetings of the VP screenings were like.

Probably a lot of "When we were interviewing Gov. Mary Fallin, Dr. Carson visibly dozed off and started snoring through her recitation of her conservative credentials."

"Chris Christie arrived late, visibly sweating and covered in grease stains. He said 'You wouldn't believe what a line there was at McDonalds.' Gov. Christie was later rejected for breaking the Oreos pledge right in front of us."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 09:53:30 PM

FEC reports out today

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@PaulBlu
Donald Trump raised just $3.1 million in May. Yikes.

https://twitter.com/PaulBlu/status/745067600158330880

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@samsteinhp
Trump’s campaign only has $1,289,507 cash on hand. that is completely nuts.

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/745068761712033796

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@teddyschleifer 4h4 hours ago
Hillary Clinton's campaign has $42.5 million on hand, and raised $26.4 million in the month of May, per new filing.

https://twitter.com/teddyschleifer/status/745005149417005058

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@teddyschleifer 4h4 hours ago
Combined with Priorities USA, this means pro-Clinton players have about $94 million on hand as of May 31.

As for Trump? Don't know yet.

wow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 20, 2016, 10:21:49 PM

LOL HE DOESNT NEED TO RAISE FUNDS HES A BILLIONAIRE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 20, 2016, 10:26:15 PM

Sad!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 20, 2016, 10:26:25 PM

Maybe it would have been kinder not to stop today's assassin. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 20, 2016, 11:44:27 PM

Either he's grossly underreporting to skip out on taxes, or his base is made up of white trash dirtpoors. Probably both.

Either way this is an easy spin for him to show Hillary as corrupt, rich, not for the people, etc.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 20, 2016, 11:58:28 PM

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Kenneth P. Vogel ‏@kenvogel 4m
Trump campaign expenses in May, per @FEC report:
Hats: $208k
Online advertising: $115k
Data management: $48k
Communications consulting: $38k

(http://i.imgur.com/hw56VN2.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 21, 2016, 12:08:53 AM

Hats: $208k  smh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 21, 2016, 12:24:31 AM

Not only is he not raising money, but a good portion of the money he is raising is going to himself and family.  Jesus

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 21, 2016, 12:35:03 AM

Say what you will about his chances, I just don't think his supporters really care that much anymore now that they've officially done their protest vote.

Would be amazing if Utah goes to Gary Johnson or Hillary while Trump's trying to get California or New York like he said he would.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 21, 2016, 12:36:21 AM

Like it says on his hat!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2016, 01:42:42 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

If you look at the polls, Trump saw a bit of surge [and Hillary saw a bit of collapse] near the end of May, but he's fallen hard since then and Hillary has been pulling away for nearly a month now. Trump really can't afford to not have money for big ad buys right now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2016, 01:57:36 AM

Is this what the death of a major US political party looks like brehs? We are living in interesting times.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on June 21, 2016, 01:58:33 AM

I don't doubt the campaign is in disarray, but Trump can probably limp around to the convention just with twitter and the free TV air time. Then I don't see the GOP really taking any extreme stance, though he'll probably have to do with partial support. Some fresh money included.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2016, 02:06:26 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 21, 2016, 01:42:42 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

If you look at the polls, Trump saw a bit of surge [and Hillary saw a bit of collapse] near the end of May, but he's fallen hard since then and Hillary has been pulling away for nearly a month now. Trump really can't afford to not have money for big ad buys right now.

Seems to coincide with him wrapping up the nomination and the endorsements he received. But after that he imploded, and Hillary hasn't United the democrat base yet lol. Gonna be ugly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 21, 2016, 03:12:40 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2016, 01:57:36 AM

Is this what the death of a major US political party looks like brehs? We are living in interesting times.

Nah, GOP control at the local level is insane.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 21, 2016, 03:21:31 AM

Quote from: Kara on June 21, 2016, 03:12:40 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 21, 2016, 01:57:36 AM

Is this what the death of a major US political party looks like brehs? We are living in interesting times.

Nah, GOP control at the local level is insane.

yeah, this is very true, they ain't going nowhere yet. Red Statehouses are gerrymandered even moreso then congressional districts, and red state Democratic parties are even more feckless then the DNC.

But a supermajority in the Senate, and flipping Congress? I would have thought that to be impossible even under the best circumstances, but holy shit are they screwing the pooch bad enough these days that those could happen. Just maybe.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2016, 09:30:37 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-payments_us_5768a69ee4b0853f8bf1fe2d?47ktv6lrlstgshsemi

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The figure represents payments for facilities rental, catering, monthly rents and utilities at more than a half-dozen Trump-owned companies and properties. It includes nearly $350,000 that the Trump campaign paid a Trump-owned company, TAG Air, for the use of Trump’s private jets and helicopters. 

The most striking expenditure in the new filings was $423,372, paid by the Trump campaign for rentals and catering at Trump’s 126-room Palm Beach, Florida, mansion, Mar-A-Lago, which Trump operates as a private club.

Other Trump-owned recipients of campaign funds include Trump Restaurants, which raked in $125,080 in rent and utilities; Trump Tower Commercial, which charged $72,800 in rent and utilities in the building that houses Trump’s campaign headquarters; the Trump National Golf Club, in Jupiter, Florida, which collected $35,845 for facilities rental and catering; and the Trump International Golf Club in West Palm Beach, Florida, which billed the campaign for $29,715, for facilities rentals and catering.

Charge your donors to fly your own jets and stay at your own hotels, brehs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 21, 2016, 10:33:47 AM

He's just making money because he's a smart businessman, you probably don't understand, college intellectual

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2016, 11:34:31 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clevl7QXEAAKizT.jpg)
if he matches it with a loan :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 21, 2016, 11:39:43 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on June 21, 2016, 10:33:47 AM

He's just making money because he's a smart businessman, you probably don't understand, college intellectual

Honestly, I see that kind of stuff every day.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 21, 2016, 12:03:48 PM

Thing about Trump not having funds allocated for tv spots is he already gets so much free press why would he bother?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 21, 2016, 01:38:03 PM

Because reporters are actually talking about him, rather than making agitprop. The guy boycotted fox news ffs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 21, 2016, 01:43:17 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2016, 11:34:31 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clevl7QXEAAKizT.jpg)
if he matches it with a loan :dead

The matched money won't show up until after the press asks where it is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 21, 2016, 03:59:39 PM

Not entirely topical but this is the thread in which I learned about it.

On the rare moments I've popped into Twitter lately I've noticed a lot of pseudo reappropriation of the triple parentheses thing, and by people who to my knowledge aren't Jewish either. Is this a thing now, or am I just unintentionally in a bubble of people I don't agree with?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brob on June 21, 2016, 04:13:33 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 21, 2016, 03:59:39 PM

Not entirely topical but this is the thread in which I learned about it.

On the rare moments I've popped into Twitter lately I've noticed a lot of pseudo reappropriation of the triple parentheses thing, and by people who to my knowledge aren't Jewish either. Is this a thing now, or am I just unintentionally in a bubble of people I don't agree with?

lots of people, mostly people involved in US media in some capacity, are doing it as an attempt at solidarity as far as I understand. Tho they seem to be misunderstanding, since the whole point from the nazis that started it was portraying jewish people as infiltrators

 :derp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 21, 2016, 04:15:09 PM

I would have assumed that you'd have an extra good sense of when people are being offensive (((Kara))).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 04:16:51 PM

Started seeing it several weeks, maybe a month ago.

is it Problematic?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 21, 2016, 04:46:31 PM

I don't believe reappropriation is possible, but am rarely (if ever) an affected party in such debates and thus generally keep that opinion of mine to myself. 

It sounds like this is as much self-congratulatory WhiteLiberalism.txt as it is reappropriation, however.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 21, 2016, 05:09:52 PM

I guess, but the people doing it are mostly the actual targets of online Nazis or their friends/colleagues.  Not gonna nitpick about how they show support.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2016, 08:36:38 PM

(http://media.cagle.com/73/2016/06/16/180768_600.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 21, 2016, 09:15:56 PM

More Guccifer leaks: https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/06/21/hillary-clinton/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2016, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 21, 2016, 04:46:31 PM

I don't believe reappropriation is possible, but am rarely (if ever) an affected party in such debates and thus generally keep that opinion of mine to myself. 

It sounds like this is as much self-congratulatory WhiteLiberalism.txt as it is reappropriation, however.

this doesn't mean that one day I'm going to stumble across a circa 2000 "why can't I say the n word" Kara post, does it.
(http://i.imgur.com/VlAOIZP.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2016, 01:34:20 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/harriet-tubman-20-bill-steve-king/index.html

I'm sure this is not about race.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 01:48:51 AM

fuck steve king and all, but i wonder if it's as much about tubman and the $20 like CNN assumes and not just some NEVER CHANGE IT EVER like when the faces got bigger or the bills changed colors or whatever people like to complain about the government doing to OUR MONEY without our permission like how back in my day nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them, "give me five bees for a quarter" you'd say, now where were we? oh yeah, the important thing was i had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time

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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 5485, AS REPORTED
OFFERED BY MR. KING OF IOWA

Page 21, line 16, strike ‘‘$1’’ and insert ‘‘any’’.

Page 21, line 16, insert ‘‘or coin’’ after ‘‘note’’.

Quote from: HR 5485

13 SEC. 119. None of the funds appropriated in this Act
14 or otherwise available to the Department of the Treasury
15 or the Bureau of Engraving and Printing may be used
16 to redesign the $1 Federal Reserve note.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 01:51:00 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/mKFlMOl.png)

gross

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 22, 2016, 01:55:54 AM

Quote from: Politico

It's not about Harriet Tubman, it's about keeping the picture on the $20," King said Tuesday evening, pulling a $20 bill from his pocket and pointing at President Andrew Jackson. "Y'know? Why would you want to change that? I am a conservative, I like to keep what we have."

Oh hey maybe benji's right and this isn't about race at all...

Quote from: Politico

The conservative gadfly said it is "racist" and "sexist" to say a woman or person of color should be added to currency. "Here's what's really happening: This is liberal activism on the part of the president that's trying to identify people by categories, and he's divided us on the lines of groups. ... This is a divisive proposal on the part of the president, and mine's unifying. It says just don't change anything."

lol jk guys

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 01:59:10 AM

Y'know? Why would I want to look elsewhere than the single link for more information? I am a conservative, I like to keep what we have and make gut decisions.

This is a divisive proposal on the part of Mandark, and mine's unifying.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 02:48:55 AM

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Kim Weaver of Sheldon, King's Democratic opponent in Iowa's 4th District race for the House this fall, criticized the seven-term lawmaker's proposal.

“Iowans have four representatives in the United States House of Representatives, and unfortunately one of them seems to maintain a laser focus on where his next headline-grabbing piece of stunt legislation will come from," Weaver said. “What will this amendment do for residents of Iowa’s 4th District? Nothing. How will it make the lives of his constituents better? It won’t. And what chance does this meaningless and mean-spirited gesture have of actually passing? Just like most measures introduced by Steve King, none.”

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Syph on June 22, 2016, 04:03:33 AM

holy shit if it's a clinton warren ticket my head may actually explode

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 22, 2016, 04:52:20 AM

How about Clinton Clinton :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 22, 2016, 06:42:06 AM

Huh, can somebody who's been president run for VP?

Quote from: Syph on June 22, 2016, 04:03:33 AM

holy shit if it's a clinton warren ticket my head may actually explode

A two female ( :quark ) lineup would be a cool thing for historic purposes and since Warren's an actual progressive she'd maybe pull some of the berner types back in.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 22, 2016, 06:58:39 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 21, 2016, 11:38:06 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 21, 2016, 04:46:31 PM

I don't believe reappropriation is possible, but am rarely (if ever) an affected party in such debates and thus generally keep that opinion of mine to myself. 

It sounds like this is as much self-congratulatory WhiteLiberalism.txt as it is reappropriation, however.

this doesn't mean that one day I'm going to stumble across a circa 2000 "why can't I say the n word" Kara post, does it.
(http://i.imgur.com/VlAOIZP.png)

I was making the most of being a minor from a privileged background with a promising future in the year 2000 (read: engaging in escalating criminality without any consequence), thank you.

In my personal Jahiliyya I said things I wouldn't say today, however. (Namely casual sexism and homophobia.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on June 22, 2016, 07:40:44 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 01:48:51 AM

fuck steve king and all, but i wonder if it's as much about tubman and the $20 like CNN assumes and not just some NEVER CHANGE IT EVER like when the faces got bigger or the bills changed colors or whatever people like to complain about the government doing to OUR MONEY without our permission like how back in my day nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them, "give me five bees for a quarter" you'd say, now where were we? oh yeah, the important thing was i had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time

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AMENDMENT TO H.R. 5485, AS REPORTED
OFFERED BY MR. KING OF IOWA

Page 21, line 16, strike ‘‘$1’’ and insert ‘‘any’’.

Page 21, line 16, insert ‘‘or coin’’ after ‘‘note’’.

Quote from: HR 5485

13 SEC. 119. None of the funds appropriated in this Act
14 or otherwise available to the Department of the Treasury
15 or the Bureau of Engraving and Printing may be used
16 to redesign the $1 Federal Reserve note.

Great Simpsons reference.  A+  Thank you

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 08:02:14 AM

Gay Black Dude TEARS Into Democrats, Hillary, Gun Grabbers (http://"http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/06/gay-black-dude-tears-democrats-hillary-gun-grabbers/")

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“I just wanted to let you guys know why I am a conservative gay male, and support Donald Trump” Gabriel Reagan, of Eugene, OR, says at the beginning of a video recently posted to his facebook page.

“Number one, he’s a hustler and a baller, and I admire that. He’s a good businessman” he says of Trump. “But more importantly, I’m kind of disgusted, not kind of, *very* disgusted and extremely disappointed in the way my fellow black folk have chosen over the past 60 years to really allow themselves to be enslaved to the democratic party, the slave master party.”

...

“To the homosexual community, my fellow gay folk. WAKE UP! Hillary Clinton does not love you, taking all this money from all these countries that slaughter gays every day. They just trying to work your vote, baby!” he proclaims. “They do not care about you one bit. This is not about gun control, this is about terrorism.” He soon says “Stop trying to make yourselves out to be some kind of special victim. It’s not a hate crime, I know you guys wish it was a white, straight, Christian male so it would fit your narrative, but your narrative’s been shattered.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 10:12:14 AM

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Washington PostVerified account
‏@washingtonpost
Breaking: Marco Rubio will seek Senate re-election, reversing pledge not to run

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 22, 2016, 10:32:51 AM

Warren is far more effective where she is. We can't afford to give up any seats in either house of Congress.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Brehvolution on June 22, 2016, 11:09:50 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 22, 2016, 10:12:14 AM

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Washington PostVerified account
‏@washingtonpost
Breaking: Marco Rubio will seek Senate re-election, reversing pledge not to run

Another rubio flip flop. :wag

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 22, 2016, 11:11:59 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 22, 2016, 06:42:06 AM

Huh, can somebody who's been president run for VP?

Chelsea Clinton, tho  :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 22, 2016, 11:30:57 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 22, 2016, 06:42:06 AM

Huh, can somebody who's been president run for VP?

If they've served two terms: no, it would violate the 12th and 22nd amendments. (If something happens to the President, the VP would become the President, which obviously isn't allowed.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-second_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Interaction_with_the_Twelfth_Amendment

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/14/politics/hillary-clinton-bill-clinton-vice-president/index.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Syph on June 22, 2016, 02:43:43 PM

Rubio Gowdy 2020 baby

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 22, 2016, 04:02:21 PM

Can't wait for the Minority Report LARP.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/attacks-in-isis’-name-expose-a-struggle-to-spot-future-terrorists/ar-AAhpyzM (http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/attacks-in-isis’-name-expose-a-struggle-to-spot-future-terrorists/ar-AAhpyzM)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 22, 2016, 05:23:25 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Clk_NrcWAAEGFo9.jpg)

This is from an NBC producer.

Remember when the media had integrity?  Me neither.

The tweet has since been deleted because he is a chickenshit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: D3RANG3D on June 22, 2016, 07:09:56 PM

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22Make%20America%20White%20Again%22&src=tren

 :woody

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Rufus on June 22, 2016, 07:28:33 PM

"Again" :betty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Syph on June 22, 2016, 10:39:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUW2-MUonbo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2016, 10:50:12 PM

Quote

Rick Tyler says he...wants to return to an earlier time "when there were no break-ins; no violent crime; no mass immigration."

So...pre-1492, then? :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Syph on June 23, 2016, 02:18:43 AM

Any good Watergate documentaries? I want to learn more

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 23, 2016, 02:30:06 AM

BBC and Discovery did like a five hour one back after Nixon died, it's all on youtube, first part:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7npkZwQCCVU

wtf this shit ain't no 720p

EDIT: better quality
Part 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxTzxi5jHYg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxTzxi5jHYg)
Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyWZXmZBwcY& (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyWZXmZBwcY&)
Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_I_Lo8Xpkw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_I_Lo8Xpkw)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on June 23, 2016, 03:59:11 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on June 22, 2016, 10:50:12 PM

Quote

Rick Tyler says he...wants to return to an earlier time "when there were no break-ins; no violent crime; no mass immigration."

So...pre-1492, then? :hitler

https://youtu.be/mGPlK2xHJyI?t=43s (https://youtu.be/mGPlK2xHJyI?t=43s)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 23, 2016, 12:33:21 PM

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/23/donald-trump-faces-wall-of-opposition-as-he-returns-to-scotland

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 23, 2016, 01:32:52 PM

Newsweek had an article about the upcoming LIBERTARIAN MOMENT in November, benji. The best part of it is when it talks about how Americans are stupid and vote emotionally, for example that ten percent of polled Sanders supporters were Libertarian leaning voters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: RustyNails on June 23, 2016, 07:16:46 PM

Kaine is like the most boring white politician imaginable, so of course it's going to be him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 07:28:15 PM

Don't understand why some folks are so intent on Warren getting a job she probably won't have much impact in, whereas if she remains in the senate/gains more seniority she'll be writing the type of legislation they want.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Atramental on June 23, 2016, 07:43:36 PM

I don't think most people know that VP is nothing more than a 1up mushroom just in case something... unfortunate happens to the POTUS. :doge

edit: Then again, maybe that is why they want her to be VP since a lot of crazies out there absolutely despise Hillary and wish horrible things to befall her. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 23, 2016, 08:15:18 PM

If Hilldawg got impeached, does the VP take over?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 09:08:17 PM

Quote from: Pallando on June 23, 2016, 07:43:36 PM

I don't think most people know that VP is nothing more than a 1up mushroom just in case something... unfortunate happens to the POTUS. :doge

edit: Then again, maybe that is why they want her to be VP. :doge

True although Cheney and Biden had influence increased the VP role over some past cases like Gore or whatshisface (HW Bush's vp). Like I said I'd rather have Warren becoming more and more important in the senate though. The WH doesn't write legislation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 23, 2016, 10:21:04 PM

Quote from: RustyNails on June 23, 2016, 07:16:46 PM

Kaine is like the most boring white politician imaginable, so of course it's going to be him.

Well yeah, the problem with choosing Warren is that she'll outshine Hilary. If Warren does get the Veep slot, I would be hoping on some level that she would be acting like an altruistic Frank Underwood and usurp her boss however possible. And I like Hilary.

But yeah, the basic point is, don't pick somebody who people like much better then you to be your understudy, it'll just make you look worse over the long and short run.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 23, 2016, 10:31:33 PM

And I'm not sure having a 68 year old president and 67 year old vice president is the greatest idea.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 24, 2016, 11:43:36 AM

Found out my cousin us a trump voter

thought he was the smart one

pretty depressing the things he said considering his parents were migrants

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 24, 2016, 11:47:37 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 24, 2016, 11:43:36 AM

Found out my cousin us a trump voter

thought he was the smart one

pretty depressing the things he said considering his parents were migrants

Not sure when your cousin came here, but most of the expats I know here are Soviet-educated, American-made engineers so, "Fuck you, I got mine," seems quite par for the course unfortunately.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 24, 2016, 11:53:18 AM

my mom came here with 600 usd and now makes 200k

socialism is a sham

hilary should be in jail

i want to live in a fight or die enviroment

-actual quotes from convo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Rufus on June 24, 2016, 12:05:14 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 24, 2016, 11:53:18 AM

socialism is a sham

i want to live in a fight or die enviroment

Write these two down. They'll come in handy eventually.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 24, 2016, 12:16:46 PM

Please whisper it in his ear when he is dying at home of cancer. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 24, 2016, 02:02:36 PM

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/25/us/suit-challenges-us-over-abortions-and-birth-control-for-immigrant-minors.html

It's unfortunate that the Church is one of the only faith-based organizations that can actually do satisfactory charitable work.

e: lol http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/science/cars-gas-global-warming.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 24, 2016, 11:04:36 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 24, 2016, 02:02:36 PM

e: lol http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/28/science/cars-gas-global-warming.html

Quote

“People have very short memories about the price of gasoline,” Dr. Sivak said.

Or just, you know, everything.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 25, 2016, 12:27:49 AM

Quote

When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another...

The UK knew - it was that time. And now is that time in the USA.

The Brexit referendum is akin to our own Declaration of Independence. May that refreshed spirit of sovereignty spread over the pond to America's shores!

Congratulations, smart Brits. Good on you for ignoring all the fear mongering from special interest globalists who tend to aim for that apocalyptic One World Government that dissolves a nation's self-determination and sovereignty... the EU being a One World Government mini-me.

America can learn an encouraging lesson from this.

It is time to dissolve political bands that connect us to agendas not in our best interest. May UN shackles be next on the chopping block.

- Sarah Palin

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 25, 2016, 01:48:28 AM

"UN shackles"

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2016, 03:09:05 AM

"US should confront Russia"

"We should dissolve UN shackles and be wary of globalization alliances"

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 25, 2016, 03:46:40 AM

What? No. Barely any of the rules and the regulations of the UN actually apply to the US due to the position we were in when the UN was founded. They couldn't not have us be a part of it so we have some rather special privileges. What's great about this is we can disregard all sorts of rules but when someone is failing to follow the regulations with regards to us we can have sanctions put on them! But Sarah Palin wants to be out of that deal, probably because she has no fucking idea what our arrangement with the UN even is. Jesus fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Atramental on June 25, 2016, 10:49:15 AM

Palin is probably the type of Christian that is against the alleged coming of the "One World Government". A lot of nut bag Christians are fearful of this because it is a so called sign of the end times.

Hence why she wants us to leave the UN.

edit: Oh silly me. Didn't read her entire quote. Wow, she's that open about it too. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 25, 2016, 01:49:00 PM

I don't understand why Christians are afraid of the apocalypse.

According to them, THEY WON'T EVEN BE HERE WHEN IT HAPPENS. They get raptured right when it starts . And it signals the second coming of the Messiah, which they should theoretically want because it'll usher in a 10,000 year theocracy where everything is hunky-dory.

Makes literally no sense to me they're afraid of the end times. In fact they should be pushing it forwards in every way possible. "RFID chips in our hands? Giddyup!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 25, 2016, 01:52:02 PM

Hmmmm maybe some religious folk have been indoctrinated to believe that they are dirty, dirty sinners for human behavior and might not get scooped up when the calvary come?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 25, 2016, 02:28:40 PM

Or maybe they're just nutters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2016, 02:42:29 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 25, 2016, 01:49:00 PM

I don't understand why Christians are afraid of the apocalypse.

According to them, THEY WON'T EVEN BE HERE WHEN IT HAPPENS. They get raptured right when it starts . And it signals the second coming of the Messiah, which they should theoretically want because it'll usher in a 10,000 year theocracy where everything is hunky-dory.

Makes literally no sense to me they're afraid of the end times. In fact they should be pushing it forwards in every way possible. "RFID chips in our hands? Giddyup!"

maybe they don't actually believe it............. that's my hot take (no copypasta pls)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2016, 02:55:21 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 25, 2016, 01:49:00 PM

I don't understand why Christians are afraid of the apocalypse.

According to them, THEY WON'T EVEN BE HERE WHEN IT HAPPENS. They get raptured right when it starts . And it signals the second coming of the Messiah, which they should theoretically want because it'll usher in a 10,000 year theocracy where everything is hunky-dory.

Makes literally no sense to me they're afraid of the end times. In fact they should be pushing it forwards in every way possible. "RFID chips in our hands? Giddyup!"

Not all Christians believe in a pre-Tribulation rapture. Some believe Christians will live through part of the Tribulation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Atramental on June 25, 2016, 03:26:14 PM

I know of Christians who have broken up with a gf or fiancé due to differing beliefs about the end times.  :doge

"Are you a Dispensationalist or an Amillennialist?"
"Amillennialist."
"This... this isn't going to work out."

That's how nutty some of these people are, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 25, 2016, 03:43:14 PM

I used to wake up in the middle of the night as a kid, scared shitless because I thought I heard a trumpet blowing. It was usually just a train.

Torture young children with fairy tales brehs
:tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 25, 2016, 03:57:00 PM

:rofl

run for the hills, the trumpets are blowing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 25, 2016, 04:16:12 PM

Sorry PD... that's an L.

Trust other people brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Dickie Dee on June 25, 2016, 04:18:33 PM

I remember being scared of aliens and ghosts

Heavenly Trumpets tho  :neogaf

Just imagining PD grasping his bedsheets thinking "was that 2 or 3 trumpets? well...maybe i woke halfway through and it was 5 but surely not 6. OK, possibly 6, but...*begins repenting for his self-pollution*"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Atramental on June 25, 2016, 05:21:33 PM

It's not so much the trumpets that are scary. It's the crazy, fucked up shit that comes afterwards that'll make you shit yourself. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Atramental on June 25, 2016, 06:35:28 PM

Deets pls.

Edit: Also, a big part of the reason why the Christian end times is so scary is due to what they don't tell you/leave up to your imagination. Also, whoever wrote the Book of Revelation was either high as fuck, having a mental breakdown, or both. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 25, 2016, 06:39:13 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WopX1tfJXc
TORTURE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Yeti on June 25, 2016, 08:04:00 PM

oh man, imagine all the taco bell you could eat with all those extra mouths

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: helios on June 26, 2016, 01:06:08 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/DXGI1W1.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 27, 2016, 02:11:33 PM

I don't know how anyone who is intellectually honest could be a Republican in the 80's and still be one today. I mean, there are seeds of the 80's in today's party, but it has really gotten grotesque.

This was a good one-liner by Will: 'Will responded on "Fox News Sunday," saying: "He has an advantage on me, because he can say everything he knows about any subject in 140 characters and I can't.'

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2016, 03:58:42 PM

SCOTUS striking down Texas' abortion prohibition laws masquerading as healthcare regulations. :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 27, 2016, 04:07:08 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 27, 2016, 03:58:42 PM

SCOTUS striking down Texas' abortion prohibition laws masquerading as healthcare regulations. :aah

And people still want to protest-vote in November and contribute to the possible prevention of a Democrat-appointed SCOTUS seat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2016, 06:04:34 PM

George Will cosplaying as Bill Buckley yet again, with Trump supporters as his Birchers.

lolz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: chronovore on June 27, 2016, 06:19:56 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 27, 2016, 03:58:42 PM

SCOTUS striking down Texas' abortion prohibition laws masquerading as healthcare regulations. :aah

I'm stunned that it was still ongoing; I remember months ago hearing the legislation get ripped a 2nd and 3rd asshole through basic logic. I'd assumed that was the end of it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 27, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 27, 2016, 04:07:08 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 27, 2016, 03:58:42 PM

SCOTUS striking down Texas' abortion prohibition laws masquerading as healthcare regulations. :aah

And people still want to protest-vote in November and contribute to the possible prevention of a Democrat-appointed SCOTUS seat.

Truthfully I find it optimistic that one would even be appointed after January 2017. The electorate has yet to definitively punish Republican legislators for their behavior during the last 8 years and why would they give away SCOTUS for possibly quite awhile when 4-4 "decisions" will simply allow their strategy of death by a thousand cuts to continue at the state level?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 27, 2016, 10:33:49 PM

Even with Trump sucking up all the oxygen, it's remarkable how little discussion there is of a SCOTUS seat just sitting open for a whole year.

Would not be surprised at all if the GOP finds some public reason to indefinitely avoid a vote on Clinton's pick.  "After an election where she failed to win half the popular vote or get a mandate, the President chose not to reach across the aisle and nominate a qualified judge with bipartisan support (ie a Federalist Society member), but rather chose an unqualified radical (nonwhite person) after seeking no Republican input, in a clear effort to further politicize the court."

Meanwhile, maybe Democrats could stop getting their asses handed to them at the state level?  Dunno, maybe it would help.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 27, 2016, 10:56:27 PM

I agree, I wouldn't be stunned if her nominee is filibustered the shit. Seems like democrats will likely take the senate, and assuming republicans obstruct we could see the filibuster killed for Supreme Court nominees. Hopefully John McCain loses his seat in November too btw; last thing I'd want is some type of half assed "Gang of X" deal in which republicans get a compromise pick.

The 9th Circuit Court recently ruled there is no constitutional right to have concealed gun. Hillary is going all-in for an assault weapons ban. I just can't imagine republicans casually letting her tilt the court left on guns given where the wind is heading.

get ready for "Trump wasn't a real conservative so his loss doesn't count" arguments fellas  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 28, 2016, 01:05:32 AM

Based on her not being a tall, black guy and that she will have had to campaign against Trump for the better part of a year, she's probably going to use the macho-aggressive card that she's been dealt with when talking about these issues. I don't know if it'll help but it's a different approach that maybe would have helped Obama push forward more.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 28, 2016, 01:52:32 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 27, 2016, 10:33:49 PM

Even with Trump sucking up all the oxygen, it's remarkable how little discussion there is of a SCOTUS seat just sitting open for a whole year.

If there's one thing you can credit the Republican Party in its current incarnation with it's playing the normative game. I would draw a line from their previous strategy of undermining the administration / the executive branch by refusing to confirm appointments (the ATF director saga being the obvious example) to their present behavior of claiming the presidency loses its powers of office for around 25% of its elected term because they say so. The beauty of making things normative is people accept them as normal without regard for evidence.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2016, 08:52:05 AM

Quote

The House Benghazi Committee issued their long-waited final report on Tuesday morning, concluding that the Obama administration - including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - failed to sufficiently protect American diplomats in the 2012 Benghazi terrorist attack.

The 800-page report is the culmination of a two-year investigation that has haunted the 2016 Democratic front-runner on the campaign trail

:usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2016, 09:29:18 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2016, 08:52:05 AM

Quote

The House Benghazi Committee issued their long-waited final report on Tuesday morning, concluding that the Obama administration - including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - failed to sufficiently protect American diplomats in the 2012 Benghazi terrorist attack.

The 800-page report is the culmination of a two-year investigation that has haunted the 2016 Democratic front-runner on the campaign trail

:usacry

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTndCIut7o7OpEL6/giphy.gif)

notto disu shitto agen

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:09:36 AM

Told ya fucks Benghazi would be back  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2016, 10:27:29 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:09:36 AM

Told ya fucks Benghazi would be back  :doge

They're still digging up Vince Foster, of course Benghazi is coming back. We're playing all the old classics here at the Mena Airport.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:42:23 AM

The people ask

What about the emails?
What about Benghazi?
What about your inability to control congress?
What about lack of respect from other world leaders?
etc, etc.

Dem's response:

(https://media.giphy.com/media/13d2jHlSlxklVe/giphy.gif)

:dunno

I hate both candidates but at this point Trump is actually the lesser of two evils. Putin will eat Clinton alive.

Either way next four years gonna be rough, kinda like PD's college vagina slump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 28, 2016, 10:47:22 AM

 :iface

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Rufus on June 28, 2016, 10:47:36 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:42:23 AM

I hate both candidates but at this point Trump is actually the lesser of two evils.

You've completely lost your mind. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2016, 10:47:58 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:42:23 AM

Trump is actually the lesser of two evils.

 :nintendo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:50:08 AM

I'm not voting for either. I'm writing in Putin just to piss Tasty off   :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 28, 2016, 11:09:31 AM

Write in an ex-KGB mobster because you think Hilary might a have got like a handful of people killed through incompetence.  Someone's morals are inconsistent.     

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on June 28, 2016, 11:11:11 AM

Hillary is finished, boys, I mean read this :
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57611bb9e4b057ac661b322c

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2016, 11:19:09 AM

*GOP Benghazi report released showing no wrong doing on Hillary's part*

AiA: I told you guys!

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2016, 12:08:58 PM

Raise your hand if you thought AiA actually read any of that report.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2016, 12:14:29 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:50:08 AM

I'm not voting for either. I'm writing in Putin just to piss Tasty off   :umad

:nintendo :nintendo :nintendo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2016, 12:17:28 PM

If you really wanted to piss Tasty off, you'd write in Bill Gates or J Allard

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2016, 12:23:11 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2016, 12:17:28 PM

If you really wanted to piss Tasty off, you'd write in Bill Gates or J Allard

I admire Bill Gates more than most public figures and J Allard's a nobody.

If you really wanted to piss me off you'd write-in John Gruber or MG Siegler. :pacspit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2016, 12:23:51 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/28/12051226/benghazi-house-republican-report-paragraph

Quote

The House Select Committee’s report finds that there were no American forces in range, the same conclusion as previous reports. Yet it positions this fact as evidence of the Obama administration’s failures:

Quote

The assets ultimately deployed by the Defense Department in response to the Benghazi attacks were not positioned to arrive prior to the final lethal attack on the Annex. The fact that this is true does not mitigate the question of why the world’s most powerful military was not positioned to respond; or why the urgency and ingenuity displayed by team members at the Annex and Team Tripoli was seemingly not shared by all decision makers in Washington.

In other words: The facts find the administration wasn’t responsible for failing to stop the Benghazi attack, but the report tries to spin this evidence in a way that’s bad for Team Obama anyway. You see similar attempts to spin non-damning facts as damning in other parts of the report as well.

(http://i.imgur.com/PAWsBl1.gif)

Quote

Yet nine different bodies have investigated Benghazi: the State Department's Accountability Review Board and eight separate congressional committees or staff reports. Each report has identified problems with the way the incident was handled by US government agencies — which are serious and worth raising — but none has uncovered real evidence of an administration cover-up or failure to properly respond to the attacks.

It would have been shocking if the House Select Committee had found new facts to support this narrative.

It didn’t.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Zd9VZqdmULhtK/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 28, 2016, 12:26:17 PM

This report cost millions of dollars to compile (7, IIRC), BTW.

The party of fiscal responsibility. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2016, 12:30:42 PM

AiA and the GOP: "I told you guys! BENGHAZI IS BACK! HILLARY IS GONNA BURN!"

Everyone: (http://i.imgur.com/cNvAhPk.gif)




Can someone make a "X will save the PS3!" chalkboard of "X is gonna sink Hillary Clinton"? It's getting farcical at this point.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2016, 12:34:07 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 28, 2016, 12:30:42 PM

AiA and the GOP: "I told you guys! BENGHAZI IS BACK! HILLARY IS GONNA BURN!"

Everyone: (http://i.imgur.com/cNvAhPk.gif)




Can someone make a "X will save the PS3!" chalkboard of "X is gonna sink Hillary Clinton"? It's getting farcical at this point.

I have a folder of nothing but bookmarks to AiA posts predicting doom for Hillary in November that I plan on using for mocking purposes once the election actually happens. I'm sure I'll be told that he has a lot of money and I'm a loser, which is, when you think about it, a very Trump way of dealing with things.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2016, 12:36:03 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on June 28, 2016, 12:34:07 PM

I have a folder of nothing but bookmarks to AiA posts predicting doom for Hillary in November that I plan on using for mocking purposes once the election actually happens. I'm sure I'll be told that he has a lot of money and I'm a loser, which is, when you think about it, a very Trump way of dealing with things.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 28, 2016, 10:42:23 AM

Trump is actually the lesser of two evils.

It all makes sense. :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2016, 12:40:46 PM

The military doesn't really throw forces into random attacks abroad without intelligence on the size of the threat, situation reports, etc. "The fact that the world's most powerful military couldn't..." is not a good argument here.

I remember Dakota Meyer, who won the Medal Of Honor a few years ago, mentioning that the military higher ups refused to send backup to help his men while they were under attack. He lobbied to change US military procedures on sending backup and iirc it went nowhere. It sucks for the guys on the ground but I understand why the military isn't keen on purposely sending forces into traps/assaults/etc without weighing the potential for further loss of personnel.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: TVC15 on June 28, 2016, 12:43:35 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 28, 2016, 09:29:18 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2016, 08:52:05 AM

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The House Benghazi Committee issued their long-waited final report on Tuesday morning, concluding that the Obama administration - including then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton - failed to sufficiently protect American diplomats in the 2012 Benghazi terrorist attack.

The 800-page report is the culmination of a two-year investigation that has haunted the 2016 Democratic front-runner on the campaign trail

:usacry

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTndCIut7o7OpEL6/giphy.gif)

notto disu shitto agen

This pic represents the exact moment I realized I'd have no problem voting for Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 28, 2016, 01:08:24 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 28, 2016, 01:52:32 AM

If there's one thing you can credit the Republican Party in its current incarnation with it's playing the normative game. I would dry a line from their previous strategy of undermining the administration / the executive branch by refusing to confirm appointments (the ATF director saga being the obvious example) to their present behavior of claiming the presidency loses its powers of office for around 25% of its elected term because they say so. The beauty of making things normative is people accept them as normal without regard for evidence.

True that.  How quickly did we all start repeating "the Senate requires 60 votes for something to pass" as if we'd learned that back in our HS civics class?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2016, 01:26:26 PM

I used to think this was all Obama exclusive, ie an attempt to deem his presidency invalid by any means necessary*. But yea, it's clear this is instead the new normal for congressional relations with a democrat president. Hopefully democrats take a page from Scott Walker and just jam shit down their throats if they win back the senate and (lol) house.


*this is not to suggest republicans didn't also treat Clinton and Carter like shit, or foster hatred towards JFK.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 28, 2016, 01:43:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2016, 12:40:46 PM

The military doesn't really throw forces into random attacks abroad without intelligence on the size of the threat, situation reports, etc. "The fact that the world's most powerful military couldn't..." is not a good argument here.

I remember Dakota Meyer, who won the Medal Of Honor a few years ago, mentioning that the military higher ups refused to send backup to help his men while they were under attack. He lobbied to change US military procedures on sending backup and iirc it went nowhere. It sucks for the guys on the ground but I understand why the military isn't keen on purposely sending forces into traps/assaults/etc without weighing the potential for further loss of personnel.

Yeah, I mean, people have this image in their head of a spec-ops team halo jumping into a live-fire situation, blowing away the bad guys with pin-point accurate head shots, and then hauling the wounded to safety like it's just another day on the job, but that's not really how it works in the real world. You drop more troops into a situation that you don't know anything about and you're likely to end up with more dead Americans. It sucks for the guys already on the ground, but the people in charge can't make decisions based solely on emotion in the heat of the moment.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 28, 2016, 01:48:01 PM

Wait you guys can't do that?  Sucks to be the world's most powerful military.   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2016, 02:53:20 PM

The thing is, the consulate got backup, from the PMCs at the Annex which they weren't supposed to leave but did anyway. Within half an hour. And then when they retreated to the Annex they got serious from the nominal Libyian military after a few hours of locking down the streets around the Annex.

That's what the Michael Bay movie is about, the initial rescue attempt for the consulate and then holding the Annex overnight.

Okay, the real thing is, the GOP has been demanding for four years that it be recognized as a terrorist attack. And it was, and it was over like most of them. You've got a short window of action.  IIRC, further attacks of the extent of the initial one never came. The attack on the Annex was ten minutes of mortar fire. It killed the two PMC guys because they were on the roof and wounded others because well, they were having mortar's dropped on them.

They couldn't save Stevens and the other fella because they were already dead when they got to the consulate from the Annex, and then the other guys got injured because they got delayed retreating.

And they were all PMCs who got backup from Libyan "state" forces.

The only plausible U.S. military response would have been an air strike on the mortar locations, which nobody knew were there, which nobody on the ground had the ability to locate and which were presumably abandoned after the ten minutes. I would assume the CIA has authority to order such resources up.

That said I should probably skim the report, I assume somewhere in there is a nice long accounting of what was going on at the Annex that could cause an Islamist militia to want to target a related building and then it for an attack. I assume there was too much freedom going on inside.

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Robert Gates, former CIA director and Defense Secretary under Republican Presidents and then President Obama until stepping down in July 2011, has said that some critics of the government's response have a "cartoonish" view of military capabilities. He stated that he would have responded with equal caution given the risks and the lack of intelligence on the ground, and that American forces require planning and preparation which the circumstances did not allow for.

What B.S. lies.

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Committee Chairman Mike Rogers wrote in an op-ed piece, "The Obama administration’s White House and State Department actions before, during, and after the Benghazi terrorist attack on September 11, 2012, ranged from incompetence to deplorable political manipulation in the midst of an election season."

That's my former Congressman who "left Congress to do a radio show" that never materialized, his leadership is sorely missed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2016, 02:54:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 28, 2016, 02:53:20 PM

The thing is, the consulate got backup, from the PMCs at the Annex which they weren't supposed to leave but did anyway. Within half an hour. And then when they retreated to the Annex they got serious from the nominal Libyian military after a few hours of locking down the streets around the Annex.

That's what the Michael Bay movie is about, the initial rescue attempt for the consulate and then holding the Annex overnight.

Okay, the real thing is, the GOP has been demanding for four years that it be recognized as a terrorist attack. And it was, and it was over like most of them. You've got a short window of action.  IIRC, further attacks of the extent of the initial one never came. The attack on the Annex was ten minutes of mortar fire. It killed the two PMC guys because they were on the roof and wounded others because well, they were having mortar's dropped on them.

They couldn't save Stevens and the other fella because they were already dead when they got to the consulate from the Annex, and then the other guys got injured because they got delayed retreating.

And they were all PMCs who got backup from Libyan "state" forces.

The only plausible U.S. military response would have been an air strike on the mortar locations, which nobody knew were there, which nobody on the ground had the ability to locate and which were presumably abandoned after the ten minutes. I would assume the CIA has authority to order such resources up.

That said I should probably skim the report, I assume somewhere in there is a nice long accounting of what was going on at the Annex that could cause an Islamist militia to want to target a related building and then it for an attack. I assume there was too much freedom going on inside.

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Robert Gates, former CIA director and Defense Secretary under Republican Presidents and then President Obama until stepping down in July 2011, has said that some critics of the government's response have a "cartoonish" view of military capabilities. He stated that he would have responded with equal caution given the risks and the lack of intelligence on the ground, and that American forces require planning and preparation which the circumstances did not allow for.

What B.S. lies.

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Committee Chairman Mike Rogers wrote in an op-ed piece, "The Obama administration’s White House and State Department actions before, during, and after the Benghazi terrorist attack on September 11, 2012, ranged from incompetence to deplorable political manipulation in the midst of an election season."

That's my former Congressman who "left Congress to do a radio show" that never materialized, his leadership is sorely missed.

Maybe you should wait until the contents of Hillary's e-mails and speech transcripts are released before you start talking about a subject as if you know anything about it outside of the bits and pieces you picked up from the DemOp media.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 28, 2016, 06:05:29 PM

I use the “try to support your position in a room full of 100 people who know a lot more about it than you” line as a rhetorical device sometimes, but even I don’t talk about Bengazi with a bunch of other military dudes. :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2016, 09:00:23 PM

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Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal was a “rape” of the United States.

“The Trans-Pacific Partnership is another disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country — just a continuing rape of our country,” the likely Republican presidential nominee said at a rally in St. Clairsville, Ohio.

“It’s a harsh word but it’s true,” he said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/28/donald-trump-compares-trans-pacific-partnership-ra/

here we goooo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: zomgee on June 28, 2016, 09:39:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2016, 09:00:23 PM

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Donald Trump said Tuesday that the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal was a “rape” of the United States.

“The Trans-Pacific Partnership is another disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country — just a continuing rape of our country,” the likely Republican presidential nominee said at a rally in St. Clairsville, Ohio.

“It’s a harsh word but it’s true,” he said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/28/donald-trump-compares-trans-pacific-partnership-ra/

here we goooo

About 45 minutes from Steubenville, too. Those people understand raping.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 29, 2016, 12:36:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on June 28, 2016, 09:00:23 PM

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Donald Drumpf said Tuesday that the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal was a “rape” of the United States.

“The Trans-Pacific Partnership is another disaster done and pushed by special interests who want to rape our country — just a continuing rape of our country,” the likely Republican presidential nominee said at a rally in St. Clairsville, Ohio.

“It’s a harsh word but it’s true,” he said.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/28/donald-trump-compares-trans-pacific-partnership-ra/

here we goooo

Well the TPP is a fucking shit show. I really wish Trump wasn't right about trade stuffs so I could just full on hate him but alas, he is right on about this. Certainly not the best word choice here, but hey that's everything he's ever said ever for you. :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 01:36:00 AM

How is Trump right about trade?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 01:56:03 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2016, 01:08:24 PM

True that.  How quickly did we all start repeating "the Senate requires 60 votes for something to pass" as if we'd learned that back in our HS civics class?

That was fairly alarming, too. Without submitting an opinion as to the truth of this, I had always been taught that actual filibuster (as opposed to the threat of using it, i.e. soft power) was an extreme tactic and a hallmark of eras when the world had passed by certain groups (the Civil Rights era being the obvious example) who simply would not see the writing on the wall.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 01:56:47 AM

benji, why don't you want justice for Vile Rat? TEST Alliance capsuleers, smh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 29, 2016, 04:44:54 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 01:36:00 AM

How is Drumpf right about trade?

Our deals like NAFTA are ultimately not very good for american workers/factory jobs. It's the one thing I'll remotely consider giving him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Oblivion on June 29, 2016, 06:02:46 AM

Here's one question I've had for the past 4 years: When did the Secretary of State suddenly gain the authority to deploy military units?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on June 29, 2016, 07:22:22 AM

Free trade is good.

But the playing field has to be even.

So if China wants to export shit to the US Chinese workers need to get living wages, paid holidays, healthcare, 32 hour working week, same safety rules etc. as in the US.

The products should be made with the same regard for people, nature etc.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 09:13:00 AM

Quote from: Kara on June 29, 2016, 01:56:03 AM

Quote from: Mandark on June 28, 2016, 01:08:24 PM

True that.  How quickly did we all start repeating "the Senate requires 60 votes for something to pass" as if we'd learned that back in our HS civics class?

That was fairly alarming, too. Without submitting an opinion as to the truth of this, I had always been taught that actual filibuster (as opposed to the threat of using it, i.e. soft power) was an extreme tactic and a hallmark of eras when the world had passed by certain groups (the Civil Rights era being the obvious example) who simply would not see the writing on the wall.

So republicans should have sat by and watched Obama re-instate slavery with the passage of Obamacare? Extreme measures were required.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: zomgee on June 29, 2016, 09:40:46 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 29, 2016, 07:22:22 AM

Free trade is good.

But the playing field has to be even.

So if China wants to export shit to the US Chinese workers need to get living wages, paid holidays, healthcare, 32 hour working week, same safety rules etc. as in the US.

The products should be made with the same regard for people, nature etc.

And it's not like the our representatives don't know about it, either.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:12:44 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 29, 2016, 07:22:22 AM

Free trade is good.

But the playing field has to be even.

So if China wants to export shit to the US Chinese workers need to get living wages, paid holidays, healthcare, 32 hour working week, same safety rules etc. as in the US.

The products should be made with the same regard for people, nature etc.

100% agree. However the problem is the Americans who enjoy paying people 25 dollars a week to make 600 dollar items have more control of congress than Obama does.

:yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 29, 2016, 10:48:36 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/jlOqK9w.png)

:comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 10:49:27 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 29, 2016, 10:48:36 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/jlOqK9w.png)

:comeon

So wait, you guys can have one and we can't? Seems unfair     :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 29, 2016, 10:57:13 AM

Yeah where's white history month for that matter :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 11:22:30 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 29, 2016, 10:57:13 AM

Yeah where's white history month for that matter :hitler

That's every month.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 29, 2016, 11:26:51 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 11:22:30 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 29, 2016, 10:57:13 AM

Yeah where's white history month for that matter :hitler

That's every month.

Exactly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 11:38:53 AM

Stan for trade diversion brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 11:39:38 AM

Quote from: Kara on June 29, 2016, 11:38:53 AM

Stan for trade diversion brehs.

Stan for the Labour party, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 11:40:33 AM

The American Party of Labor. :bolo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 11:44:03 AM

Quote from: Kara on June 29, 2016, 11:40:33 AM

The American Party of Labor. :bolo

error: Does not exist.

Did you mean the American Job Creator party?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 12:32:14 PM

I vote for the Democratic Party when circumstances force my hand, yes. :goty2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 12:40:28 PM

Quote from: Kara on June 29, 2016, 12:32:14 PM

I vote for the Democratic Party when circumstances force my hand, yes. :goty2

Interesting, I pictured you more quasi libertarian with marxist leanings.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 29, 2016, 01:22:46 PM

California's not going to have anymore libertarians if weed gets legalized this year.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 29, 2016, 02:58:18 PM

Watch out, Crooked Hillary! (http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/)

(http://i.imgur.com/KvtV5lP.png)

Assorted GAF posts:

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Clinton is projected to have a better chance to win Florida than Trump has of winning Texas.

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For comparison, 538 gave Obama a 61.8% chance of winning in June 2012.

By November it was over 90%.

(http://i.imgur.com/eCRd1ZV.png)

"But she's on a downslope!" "Trump's pivoting! ...any day now!"

(http://i.imgur.com/1EUm05a.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 29, 2016, 03:40:55 PM

Trump is doing really bad in Florida. IIRC Obama won the state by like 1% or so and the polls were relatively close there for awhile. Without Florida there is virtually no path to the WH for republicans. Hopefully Trump does bad enough there to also ensure Rubio loses his senate seat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 03:41:35 PM

These polls that include Johnson and Stein need to be outlawed. Their share of the total has doubled over the last month, while CorruptHillary and President Trump's hasn't budged.

People are going to start thinking there's more than one option on the ballot. Democracy can't survive that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 03:43:44 PM

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"Rocky" Roque De La Fuente Guerra paid the $10,440 qualifying fee to run for the Democratic nomination of the 2016 Senate election in Florida

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De La Fuente has founded the American Delta Party as a vehicle for him to potentially continue his campaign into the general election as a third-party candidate.

:gladbron

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 29, 2016, 03:47:28 PM

yeah, without Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio he's toast. That its also possible that he could lose the entire east coast is kinda nuts.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 03:50:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 03:43:44 PM

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"Rocky" Roque De La Fuente Guerra paid the $10,440 qualifying fee to run for the Democratic nomination of the 2016 Senate election in Florida

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De La Fuente has founded the American Delta Party as a vehicle for him to potentially continue his campaign into the general election as a third-party candidate.

:gladbron

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on June 29, 2016, 03:47:28 PM

yeah, without Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio he's toast. That its also possible that he could lose the entire east coast is kinda nuts.

No worries, he'll lose Ohio at the RNC.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 03:50:35 PM

That map is almost the same as 2008's:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/ElectoralCollege2008.svg/349px-ElectoralCollege2008.svg.png)

Minus the home state advantage for McCain.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 29, 2016, 03:56:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 03:50:35 PM

That map is almost the same as 2008's:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/ElectoralCollege2008.svg/349px-ElectoralCollege2008.svg.png)

Minus the home state advantage for McCain.

Difference is the states that go for Trump are more pink than red this time around. Trump barely hanging onto Texas is incredible.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 04:01:37 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on June 29, 2016, 03:56:13 PM

Trump barely hanging onto Texas is incredible.

It's based on three polls, one from February, one with Johnson at 7%...that still gives him a 72% chance of winning Texas in the model.

The model has the popular vote as 48-43-8. McCain won Texas 55-44-1 in 2008.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 04:09:35 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on June 29, 2016, 04:44:54 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 01:36:00 AM

How is Drumpf right about trade?

Our deals like NAFTA are ultimately not very good for american workers/factory jobs. It's the one thing I'll remotely consider giving him.

manufacturing jobs were in steady decline prior to NAFTA, they actually increased between 93-98 and then continued to decline in 2001. Real wages increased in all 3 countries (marginally in the US). Ultimately, NAFTA was a net benefit for the average American worker. If an economic consensus can be gleaned, it was a negligible net gain for the US and a larger gain for Mexico. Trump's economic rhetoric has less to do with empirical reality and everything to do with accentuating (fabricating? cf. his comments on the unemployment rate) the negative. In an electorate that thinks a national economy is just a household writ large, this tactic has a lot of political purchase.

Quote from: Premium Lager on June 29, 2016, 07:22:22 AM

Free trade is good.

But the playing field has to be even.

So if China wants to export shit to the US Chinese workers need to get living wages, paid holidays, healthcare, 32 hour working week, same safety rules etc. as in the US.

The products should be made with the same regard for people, nature etc.

even pretending that this is politically feasible, you'd be holding hostage the ~100 million people in China who have managed to find a way out of poverty at the expense of the ~800 million who haven't. The welfarist's choice right now is not between American or Chinese living standards, it's between employment or starvation. In light of a third option*, I'd favor long term Kaldor-Hicks efficiency.

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*What is to be Done? you know who you are :comeon

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 04:27:44 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 04:09:35 PM

Real wages increased in all 3 countries (marginally in the US). Ultimately, NAFTA was a net benefit for the average American worker. If an economic consensus can be gleaned, it was a negligible net gain for the US and a larger gain for Mexico

Exactly, the big sucking sound! Mexico WINS, getting a bigger gain than the U.S. probably in part because of their exporting their rapists and murderers and welfare cases to the U.S. so they can sit around and collect disability and public schooling and Social Security and Medicare. Meanwhile, those left in Mexico are rolling in the big bucks and organizing even more Communist Party USA members who have been taught that the U.S. belongs to Mexico and was stolen from them to export for free to the U.S.

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 04:09:35 PM

even pretending that this is politically feasible, you'd be holding hostage the ~100 million people in China who have managed to find a way out of poverty at the expense of the ~800 million who haven't.

It's not fair that Mexico and China get to operate on old standards that the United States and Europe used to. They need to immediately compete with ~150 years of advances or deal with it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 05:59:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on June 29, 2016, 12:40:28 PM

Interesting, I pictured you more quasi libertarian with marxist leanings.

You're not far off.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Kara on June 29, 2016, 06:21:25 PM

RE: free trade among equals - I'd add to benji's point about the necessary privations of primitive accumulation that (1) funny innit that agriculture (one of the only other viable methods of primitive accumulation available to the economic periphery) is consistently shut out of global trade agreements by the labor aristocracies of the world forcing those people into icky Dickensian nightmares and (2) maximizing the extraction of surplus value by exploiting wage and regulation arbitrage is not solely the reason why the economic core loses the presence of industries to the periphery when barriers to trade aren't present. Good governments in developing economies understand that they are partners in fostering development, probably because they actually had to bootstrap instead of looting the Third World (and its predecessors) to get ahead. (The Republic of China and the composite materials industry comes to mind here.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2016, 07:14:11 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 29, 2016, 06:58:50 PM

Straight up flaunting  :gladbron

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/loretta-lynch-bill-clinton-meet-privately-in-phoenix (http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/loretta-lynch-bill-clinton-meet-privately-in-phoenix)

 :drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 07:29:03 PM

Bill told her to indict Hillary on something, anything, to insure his legacy as the Best President Clinton.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on June 29, 2016, 07:34:18 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 29, 2016, 06:58:50 PM

Straight up flaunting  :gladbron

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/loretta-lynch-bill-clinton-meet-privately-in-phoenix (http://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/loretta-lynch-bill-clinton-meet-privately-in-phoenix)

Hopefully at least one Republican or Bernout has a rage-induced heart attack reading this  :aah

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H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR 2 hil y a 2 heures

Remember, Loretta Lynch met with Bill Clinton and DEFINTELY DID NOT TALK ABOUT HILLARY'S PRIVATE SERVER that only 3 people could access.

https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR/status/748270122507239424

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 29, 2016, 11:13:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 04:27:44 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 04:09:35 PM

even pretending that this is politically feasible, you'd be holding hostage the ~100 million people in China who have managed to find a way out of poverty at the expense of the ~800 million who haven't.

It's not fair that Mexico and China get to operate on old standards that the United States and Europe used to. They need to immediately compete with ~150 years of advances or deal with it.

Point taken, but those "old standards" included chattel slavery, which is p uncool.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on June 30, 2016, 12:07:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 29, 2016, 04:27:44 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on June 29, 2016, 04:09:35 PM

Real wages increased in all 3 countries (marginally in the US). Ultimately, NAFTA was a net benefit for the average American worker. If an economic consensus can be gleaned, it was a negligible net gain for the US and a larger gain for Mexico

Exactly, the big sucking sound! Mexico WINS, getting a bigger gain than the U.S. probably in part because of their exporting their rapists and murderers and welfare cases to the U.S. so they can sit around and collect disability and public schooling and Social Security and Medicare. Meanwhile, those left in Mexico are rolling in the big bucks and organizing even more Communist Party USA members who have been taught that the U.S. belongs to Mexico and was stolen from them to export for free to the U.S.

this is a bit one-sided, surely there are some negatives too?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 12:38:50 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmKpHJ1XIAA5yo1.jpg)

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/748343048082423808
https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/748327380532494336

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2016, 12:47:03 AM

That's big, cause the meteor only needs 5% to get public funding for 2020.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 12:59:38 AM

Only 2 points to get in the debates.

Though the duopoly would probably change the rules just to keep the meteor out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on June 30, 2016, 01:22:40 AM

Giant Meteor 2016!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 01:41:19 AM

(http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/CmHrqWtUgAIN1Lo-1024x683.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on June 30, 2016, 01:45:22 AM

Quote from: Kara on June 29, 2016, 06:21:25 PM

probably because they actually had to bootstrap instead of looting the Third World (and its predecessors) to get ahead. (The Republic of China and the composite materials industry comes to mind here.)

Isn't China moving in pretty hard into Africa and / or maritime domain in Asia ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 30, 2016, 02:21:11 AM

Once robots can replicate the fine motor skills involved in manufacturing, won't the factories just move to whatever country is the shortest distance between the raw resources and consumers? Effectively, there's no money being kept in the country by making it yourself but putting up barriers to trade now can really kick you in the ass in 10 (or 30?) years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on June 30, 2016, 02:32:32 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 01:41:19 AM

(http://truthfeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/CmHrqWtUgAIN1Lo-1024x683.jpg)

People that already don't watch CNN because they hate distinguished black fellows to continue not watching CNN. dotjpg.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2016, 11:45:31 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 05:16:50 AM

Although their tears are really great, it's kind of annoying that there are so many people who think this email nonsense is something that the Attorney General and Clinton need to tiptoe around, like there's anything above a 0% chance that the emails will affect Clinton's candidacy. Loretta should just come out and endorse Hillary straight up.

Having a private meeting with the spouse of a person under investigation by the FBI!!! This is an outrage. She might have violated the law.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2016, 12:25:46 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 12:16:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2016, 11:45:31 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 05:16:50 AM

Although their tears are really great, it's kind of annoying that there are so many people who think this email nonsense is something that the Attorney General and Clinton need to tiptoe around, like there's anything above a 0% chance that the emails will affect Clinton's candidacy. Loretta should just come out and endorse Hillary straight up.

Having a private meeting with the spouse of a person under investigation by the FBI!!! This is an outrage. She might have violated the law.

Yeah no. Point to the statute.

*points to reddit*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 30, 2016, 12:44:55 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 12:16:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2016, 11:45:31 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 05:16:50 AM

Although their tears are really great, it's kind of annoying that there are so many people who think this email nonsense is something that the Attorney General and Clinton need to tiptoe around, like there's anything above a 0% chance that the emails will affect Clinton's candidacy. Loretta should just come out and endorse Hillary straight up.

Having a private meeting with the spouse of a person under investigation by the FBI!!! This is an outrage. She might have violated the law.

Yeah no. Point to the statute.

Obama obviously unilaterally changed the law in order for this meeting to take place, and therefore Loretta Lynch must also be impeached!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 01:50:44 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 12:16:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on June 30, 2016, 11:45:31 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 05:16:50 AM

Although their tears are really great, it's kind of annoying that there are so many people who think this email nonsense is something that the Attorney General and Clinton need to tiptoe around, like there's anything above a 0% chance that the emails will affect Clinton's candidacy. Loretta should just come out and endorse Hillary straight up.

Having a private meeting with the spouse of a person under investigation by the FBI!!! This is an outrage. She might have violated the law.

Yeah no. Point to the statute.

You cannot convict a husband and wife for the same crime. What if Bill was negotiating his own conviction?!?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 30, 2016, 01:58:15 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 01:50:44 PM

You cannot convict a husband and wife for the same crime. What if Bill was negotiating his own conviction?!?

(http://49.media.tumblr.com/ee33240cd04f433c7a0cb23d028e4493/tumblr_mn9l448ThR1qgr0y2o1_250.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 30, 2016, 03:25:17 PM

Kinda secretly hoping she is indicted, just to see what kind of melt down you and Tasty would have  :-[

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 30, 2016, 03:39:42 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on June 30, 2016, 03:25:17 PM

Kinda secretly hoping she is indicted, just to see what kind of melt down you and Tasty would have  :-[

Wouldn't just be me, a Hillary indictment would not only be a waste of time and a Benghazi panel-esque farce, it'd lead to a Trump presidency and a loss of at least two SCOTUS seats.

A lot of people would be melting down, and rightly so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2016, 03:48:14 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on June 30, 2016, 03:25:17 PM

Kinda secretly hoping she is indicted, just to see what kind of melt down you and Tasty would have  :-[

You and Samson might take it even worse when they gave the nomination to Biden.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 30, 2016, 03:48:30 PM

See? Look, you're already mad at the hypothetical  :lol


Mandark, I don't think anyone could take anything worse than how Walrus would handle a full blown indictment :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2016, 03:52:23 PM

Dude, I voted for Bernie.  Just never drank the kool-aid.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 30, 2016, 03:54:10 PM

I uh, don't see how that changes what I've said?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2016, 03:56:11 PM

If you were talking to someone else with the "u mad" stuff...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on June 30, 2016, 03:56:52 PM

Yup. I started addressing you after I typed your name.

Edit for clarity: I was typing the first part of that to Tasty there, your reply came quicker than mine, so I edited in the part where I answered your post. Now all fun has been sucked from this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2016, 04:01:01 PM

Oh, first part was for Andy.  Fair enough.

Definitely they'd melt down.  Andy follows politics by investing himself in a brand, and Walrus has rage issues that he's learned to lampshade.  This thread would be a swamp of shitposting for weeks.  You know, moreso than usual.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Samson Manhug on June 30, 2016, 04:03:46 PM

::eats ice cream and avoids being baited

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zv3h5OE.jpg)

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on June 30, 2016, 04:10:28 PM

On a lighter note, the presumptive Republican nominee for Representative in MN-2 has said some bonkers shit (http://www.startribune.com/lewis-book-offers-provocative-analysis-on-slavery-and-civil-rights/369306761/) about slavery.

Quote

In fact, if you really want to be quite frank about it, how does somebody else owning a slave affect me? It doesn’t. If I don’t think it is right, I won’t own one, and people always say ‘well if you don’t want to marry somebody of the same sex, you don’t have to, but why tell somebody else they can’t.  Uh, you know if you don’t want to own a slave, don’t. But don’t tell other people they can’t.

Let's put aside that he seems to think slavery was ended by a Supreme Court ruling and that the 13th Amendment doesn't exist.  Who wants to point out the hole in this logic?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2016, 05:30:10 PM

ya'll just can't handle his hot takes

Quote

In 2012, Lewis called women “simply ignorant of the important issues in life,” and he said most young women are “non-thinking,” during his radio show.

Lewis defended his comments, saying “[l]iberal reporters and typical politicians may not like the bluntness of the way I’ve framed some issues in my career.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Steve Contra on June 30, 2016, 06:09:16 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on June 30, 2016, 04:03:46 PM

::eats ice cream and avoids being baited

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/Zv3h5OE.jpg)

[close]

I'm pretty sure TVC was telling me about this exact fantasy last week.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Broseidon on June 30, 2016, 09:55:49 PM

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on June 30, 2016, 10:04:02 PM

Quote from: Broseidon on June 30, 2016, 09:55:49 PM

:kobeyuck

(http://i.imgur.com/PVDY9JM.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 12:07:59 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 30, 2016, 08:05:36 PM

When people realize that they're truly powerless, and that the people they hate most have all the power, and that there is absolutely nothing, not a goddamn thing in the world they can do about it, I believe they feel a special kind of legit shook.

Tell us more about game seven.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

The Jezebel article (http://jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083) on that is probably worth reading.  There are reasons most outlets haven't run with the story yet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2016, 10:28:04 AM

Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

The Jezebel article (http://jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083) on that is probably worth reading.  There are reasons most outlets haven't run with the story yet.

The Illuminati?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2016, 11:25:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 01, 2016, 10:28:04 AM

Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

The Jezebel article (http://jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083) on that is probably worth reading.  There are reasons most outlets haven't run with the story yet.

The Illuminati?

There's a pretty good chance that it's bullshit, but also yeah.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 01, 2016, 11:56:14 AM

I don't get why. I mean it's not like Jezebel has a reputation for posting stories that might not meet journalistic standards of major media houses.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on July 01, 2016, 02:11:51 PM

After Hogan, I don't think they (gawker) are going to break a story like this unless there's video evidence with the young girls holding up multiple forms of ID.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 01, 2016, 02:55:48 PM

Omg please let it be Gingrich

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2016, 04:51:13 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2016, 02:58:52 PM

Bernie supporters are the biggest scumbags in politics, IMO.

What form of incurable cancer would you find to be suitable for them?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 01, 2016, 05:24:06 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on June 01, 2016, 01:31:34 PM

Btw, sorry for the psychopath shtick, guys. I'm gonna stop with that.

How short, thy memory.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on July 01, 2016, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

The Jezebel article (http://jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083) on that is probably worth reading.  There are reasons most outlets haven't run with the story yet.

Not that it says anything on what could have had happen or that specific case, but the idea that members of the elite are all secretly  promiscuous and partaking in depraved orgies with nubile or underage women is a pretty common popular fantasy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: curly on July 01, 2016, 06:37:09 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2016, 05:26:21 PM

Edit: why the hell are people liking that post? I kept my promise. There's no shtick.

:gurl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: TVC15 on July 01, 2016, 06:41:51 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on July 01, 2016, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

The Jezebel article (http://jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083) on that is probably worth reading.  There are reasons most outlets haven't run with the story yet.

Not that it says anything on what could have had happen or that specific case, but the idea that members of the elite are all secretly  promiscuous and partaking in depraved orgies with nubile or underage women is a pretty common popular fantasy.

If I was a member of the elite, I'd be doing so much way worse than banging 14 year olds.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2016, 07:24:01 PM

Quote from: TVC 15 on July 01, 2016, 06:41:51 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on July 01, 2016, 06:31:43 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 01, 2016, 09:38:25 AM

The Jezebel article (http://jezebel.com/heres-how-that-wild-lawsuit-accusing-trump-of-raping-a-1782447083) on that is probably worth reading.  There are reasons most outlets haven't run with the story yet.

Not that it says anything on what could have had happen or that specific case, but the idea that members of the elite are all secretly  promiscuous and partaking in depraved orgies with nubile or underage women is a pretty common popular fantasy.

If I was a member of the elite, I'd be doing so much way worse than banging 14 year olds.

Bang one 84 y/o, it's like 6 14 y/o's at once.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on July 01, 2016, 08:03:17 PM

HA Goodman is shaping up to become the left wing version of the newspaper chief editor in Watchmen.

Quote

Hillary, a little advice. Don't treat the FBI the way you treat Hillary Bots. Just one lie, HRC, and JAIL TIME, so stay honest if possible

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HRC TO BE "INTERVIEWED" BY FBI ON SATURDAY. AG Lynch promises to abide by FBI indictments. GAME OVER Hillary Bots. BERNIE SANDERS WINS SOON!

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Gee, this security review is so weird! AG Lynch promises to abide by any recommendation from the FBI! CRIMINAL INDICTMENTS COMING FOR HRC!!!

Quote

Hillary's house of cards is almost about to fall. AG Lynch and Bill meet to TALK GOLF. Huma ALWAYS TRIED to do right. Get out the popcorn!

https://twitter.com/hagoodmanauthor

I'm afraid he won't give us the satisfaction of a meltdown : at this pace, he will continue to push that "indictement is just around the corner" several years into the potential Clinton presidency, like Birthers did.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 02, 2016, 03:26:23 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 01, 2016, 11:27:14 PM

HRC could win with an indictment easily. It would just take more work from Obama. That said, 0% chance it happens

This shit is why I said that Bernie fans are scum, btw. Rooting for someone from your own goddamn party to be arrested so that your guy who lost a democratic election can benefit. Shit is vile.

There's your problem. Those people aren't part of the democratic party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on July 02, 2016, 04:45:24 AM

Why would anyone want to be right about now. :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2016, 03:24:33 PM

Quote

"Secretary Clinton gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary," Nick Merrill, a campaign spokesman, said in the statement. "She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion. Out of respect for the investigative process, she will not comment further on her interview."

Pack it up, boys, no indictment confirmed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2016, 06:27:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 02, 2016, 03:24:33 PM

Quote

"Secretary Clinton gave a voluntary interview this morning about her email arrangements while she was Secretary," Nick Merrill, a campaign spokesman, said in the statement. "She is pleased to have had the opportunity to assist the Department of Justice in bringing this review to a conclusion. Out of respect for the investigative process, she will not comment further on her interview."

Pack it up, boys, no indictment confirmed.

More like she's already pleading the Fif because she knows it's over. President Bernie Sanders confirmed, Andrex suiciding, NAAAAAHHH QUEEN! :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2016, 07:57:29 PM

:lol

Joe how do you consistently manage to be the best poster here.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on July 02, 2016, 09:06:24 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 02, 2016, 08:08:50 PM

CNN reporting their sources are saying no charges.

Well no shit.

Get fucked, Bernie.

Bernie stans:

(http://i.imgur.com/skYOFwB.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brawndolicious on July 02, 2016, 11:31:58 PM

These two pretending like they haven't been clenched for months.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on July 03, 2016, 12:32:30 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on July 02, 2016, 11:31:58 PM

These two pretending like they haven't been clenched for months.

:lol :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on July 03, 2016, 02:13:45 AM

If "sources close to" DOJ or FBI knew everything, America wouldn't need the DOJ or FBI. Years of group think about to end. Bernie will win ! Hillary Bots reduced to citing sources close to friends who know the DOJ and FBI. They're scared. They know Hillary Clinton will be indicted.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on July 03, 2016, 03:13:41 PM

Your investment is also quite strange.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 03, 2016, 03:52:08 PM

When you post about knocking the heads off of people it makes me uncomfortable, Walrus.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on July 03, 2016, 04:06:33 PM

Really the world would be a better place if more people wanted to knockoff the heads of the gop.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on July 03, 2016, 04:21:38 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 03, 2016, 03:48:15 PM

How is it strange? I don't want Republicans to succeed in a 4 year smear cycle. Since 2012 they've been attacking Hillary nonstop in preparation for this election. First Benghazi, then the emails. It'll be the biggest long con ever played on the American people if they're successful. Bernie fans who have co-opted their disgusting smear campaign are almost as bad, and nothing will be more satisfying than seeing their hopes and delusions come crashing down on their heads.

My investment in this is quite reasonable.

All that's fine but you post nearly psychotic rants and get way too worked up.

To be clear, wishing death and cancer on people is just off putting even when I agree with you. And i think that's because your posts come off completely serious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: mormapope on July 03, 2016, 04:43:09 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 03, 2016, 03:48:15 PM

How is it strange? I don't want Republicans to succeed in a 4 year smear cycle. Since 2012 they've been attacking Hillary nonstop in preparation for this election. First Benghazi, then the emails. It'll be the biggest long con ever played on the American people if they're successful. Bernie fans who have co-opted their disgusting smear campaign are almost as bad, and nothing will be more satisfying than seeing their hopes and delusions come crashing down on their heads.

My investment in this is quite reasonable.

You realize both republicans and democrats are gonna hound Clinton on every decision she makes for the next four years, right?

Enjoy these calm months before her presidency
 :letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: daycru on July 03, 2016, 08:22:45 PM

Walrus showing signs of following in the footsteps of another Hillary fan, Orlando Omar.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: daycru on July 04, 2016, 03:28:55 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 03, 2016, 08:33:07 PM

Can we not have these useless meta-discussions please?

Anyway, Trump campaign is a fucking garbage fire.

I'll have whatever discussion you deem appropriate as long as it keeps you from shooting up a middle school.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: curly on July 04, 2016, 04:52:51 AM

This sort of problematic behavior from Hillary supporters is really making it difficult for me to support her candidacy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on July 04, 2016, 09:16:21 AM

Quote from: curly on July 04, 2016, 04:52:51 AM

This sort of problematic behavior from Hillary supporters is really making it difficult for me to support her candidacy.

It's toxic and gross

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Boogie on July 04, 2016, 10:42:46 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 03, 2016, 08:33:07 PM

Can we not have these useless meta-discussions please?

Anyway, Trump campaign is a fucking garbage fire.

You are either extremely dedicated to the bit, or you still haven't developed any real self-awareness of how you come across after all these years.

I know which I'm laying my money on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2016, 11:00:20 AM

Quote from: curly on July 04, 2016, 04:52:51 AM

This sort of problematic behavior from Hillary supporters is really making it difficult for me to support her candidacy.

Walrus doesn't represent us.

#LoveAndKindness

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 11:30:41 AM

Some GOP oppo research intern is going to ruin your public service career Walrus
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 04, 2016, 11:53:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 11:30:41 AM

Some GOP oppo research intern is going to ruin your public service career Walrus
:dead

Shit, I'll probably email screencaps of his posting history to them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 04, 2016, 02:04:48 PM

Fuck the haters, let the hate flow Glen  :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Boogie on July 04, 2016, 02:46:55 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 04, 2016, 02:39:16 PM

Yeah, nothing I've posted on this account would be likely to have any professional or political ramifications, and besides, we're all anonymous here.

Oh my sweet, summer child...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mupepe on July 04, 2016, 04:03:51 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 04, 2016, 02:39:16 PM

Yeah, nothing I've posted on this account would be likely to have any professional or political ramifications, and besides, we're all anonymous here.

So I don't want Bernie fans to get cancer. Sorry for falling for the bait last page. We need them to eventually get over their butt hurt and help elect progressives at all levels of government.

Definitely agreed on this

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 08:37:13 PM

This Trump/Star of David fuckery just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmj1pGjWAAAn0KH.jpg)

but...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmjGp-UVMAA_nl2.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 04, 2016, 09:10:54 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/286444-wikileaks-publishes-clinton-war-emails

Wikileaks publishes some of Clinton's e-mails about Iraq.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 04, 2016, 09:25:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIl20jItjHY

:lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2016, 11:39:37 PM

I worked on the Office graphics team for a while, it's nice to see the team's work getting some public recognition

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2016, 12:24:15 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 04, 2016, 09:10:54 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/286444-wikileaks-publishes-clinton-war-emails

Wikileaks publishes some of Clinton's e-mails about Iraq.

Quote

The development comes after WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange said last month the website had gathered “enough evidence” for the FBI to indict Clinton.

:lol from the fucker living in a classy cellar to escape prosecution.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2016, 02:02:24 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2016, 11:39:37 PM

I worked on the Office graphics team for a while, it's nice to see the team's work getting some public recognition

The "Sheriff's Star" is probably okay, but the Burning Cross clipart was a little too much imo.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Trent Dole on July 05, 2016, 03:45:39 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 08:37:13 PM

This Drumpf/Star of David fuckery just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmj1pGjWAAAn0KH.jpg)

but...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmjGp-UVMAA_nl2.jpg)

Bull. Fucking. Shit.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46102_Confirmed-_Trumps_Antisemitic_Attack_on_Hillary_Clinton_Originated_With_White_Supremacists
This is not the first time such an incident has occurred.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 05, 2016, 11:15:08 AM

FBI Director his holding a news conference on EMAILGHAZI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: helios on July 05, 2016, 11:17:54 AM

They're suggesting that no charges be brought against Hillary

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 11:19:46 AM

Sanders
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1024070/e25edbf0fddc_medium.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2016, 11:23:00 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 11:19:46 AM

Sanders
(http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1024070/e25edbf0fddc_medium.gif)

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--XmMrLZ6c--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/bydhzbqgn5p11s3x0sqh.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 11:46:50 AM

Walrus will you concede that "random state employee #5039" would have been fired or faced indictment for similar actions?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 05, 2016, 11:48:50 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2016, 02:02:24 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 04, 2016, 11:39:37 PM

I worked on the Office graphics team for a while, it's nice to see the team's work getting some public recognition

The "Sheriff's Star" is probably okay, but the Burning Cross clipart was a little too much imo.

I still feel compelled to defend my former team's honor for some reason, so for the benefit of anyone here deprived enough to not possess a recent version of Office, it's just labeled as 6-point star and the gallery it's in actually gives you a choice of 4-, 5-, 7-, 8-, 10-, 12-, 16-, 24- and 32-point stars. You can change how pointy the points are, apply crazy bevel and shadow effects and stuff like with other shapes, it's pretty sweet, although if you want like a 9-point or an 11-point star I guess you're SOL unless you wanna edit the points manually like a goddamn animal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2016, 11:52:54 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on July 05, 2016, 03:45:39 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 04, 2016, 08:37:13 PM

This Drumpf/Star of David fuckery just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cmj1pGjWAAAn0KH.jpg)

but...
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmjGp-UVMAA_nl2.jpg)

Bull. Fucking. Shit.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46102_Confirmed-_Trumps_Antisemitic_Attack_on_Hillary_Clinton_Originated_With_White_Supremacists
This is not the first time such an incident has occurred.

The real news is that the Trump Campaign is so broke they can't even afford dank memes and just have to wait for the Alt-Right shitholes to offer something up. RIP in peace, Trump Campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 12:21:31 PM

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR 5m5 minutes ago
I respect the FBI's decision but in a bizarre way I feel vindicated. Sad day for America and Democrats, and rule of law. BERNIE STILL FIGHTS

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 12:27:59 PM

I've been on Reddit in the r/politics megathread posting alternating gloating and despairing posts to see the difference in comment score. It's hilarious.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: brob on July 05, 2016, 12:32:35 PM

shout out to comey for including this bit for the raving hordes to stew on
 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmnP4yYWAAAtRrz.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2016, 12:41:07 PM

Quote from: brob on July 05, 2016, 12:32:35 PM

shout out to comey for including this bit for the raving hordes to stew on
 (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmnP4yYWAAAtRrz.jpg)

Other than criminal charges, what else would they do to a former employee?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Hillary Escapes Justice Again |OT|
Post by: brob on July 05, 2016, 12:52:40 PM

idk. it is preceded by a paragraph saying she didn't do anything wrong, so it's really just a strange inclusion that allows people who are convinced she should be tried for treason think that he's playing favorites. which is why it's good of course.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: zomgee on July 05, 2016, 12:57:34 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2016, 12:53:00 PM

Quote from: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 12:27:59 PM

I've been on Reddit in the r/politics megathread posting alternating gloating and despairing posts to see the difference in comment score. It's hilarious.

I'm just absorbing the double-digit negative karma and taunting them mercilessly. I can tank at least a couple days of this with the karma I've built up elsewhere.

links pls

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: vas_a_morir on July 05, 2016, 01:00:14 PM

It's so hard to pin this down, as she was the SoS. When people go "A person with lesser political pull would have been convicted of a felony under similar circumstances," it's disingenuous because you can't be Secretary of State without political influence. Her position with the State Department means everything in this context.

So, when we talk about her being a former employee... by whom was she employed? She's appointed by the president, but in the State Department, to whom does she answer?  I guess Obama has to answer for anything she does to the American public, but beyond that? I somehow think a regular clerk doing something like this would be so outside of their authority that it would be hard to argue there wasn't criminal intent. So, I don't even know if I can fully grasp this situation. But I do think her authority as Secretary of State makes it hard to compare her actions to that of a deputized underling or military official. 

I guess it doesn't matter now as far as this election goes. I doubt Trump has a clear understanding of what transpired nor do I think he has the capacity to explain this to his perspective constituents in a way that will make it political advantageous for him beyond the general 'Clinton is crooked' narrative Republican propaganda have made a mountain of despite having a molehill to work with.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: brawndolicious on July 05, 2016, 01:12:01 PM

He's just going to say that she did apparently do something wrong but there were no consequences whatsoever, implying the FBI didn't do its duty for fear of their own heads rolling.

If he's smart, I'm not saying he is, he'll spin the narrative in a really indirect way so that it makes it hard for Hillary to shoot back with how Trump publicly announced his intention to order generals to break the law and torture terror suspects. Because then he's kind of painted himself into a corner.

The real tragedy here is the American people are totally unprepared for the long, boring GE campaign we're probably headed towards. I just don't think Trump has it in him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Mupepe on July 05, 2016, 01:18:08 PM

Hillary's been a bad girl.  Her punishment should be 20 spankings from me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2016, 01:38:52 PM

Ok

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:48:44 PM

Walrus was the no indictment announcement better than the last time you had sex? I'm going to need the pros and cons of both.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2016, 01:52:22 PM

Quote

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  6m6 minutes ago
James Comey sounded almost like H. A. Goodman today, except Clinton escaped indictment. TOP SECRET intelligence on the server, etc. Guilty.

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  13m13 minutes ago
Hillary Bots, Clinton BARELY beats Trump in an average of polls, never keeps polling leads, and BARELY escaped FBI. Bernie STILL IN THIS!!!

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  21m21 minutes ago
Hillary Supporter: "Yippppeeee Clinton wasn't indicted!!!!" The rest of humanity: "Ummm... Hillary was allowed to run with 2 FBI probes???"

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
If you know FBI's decision hurts rule of law, harms Democrats for the future, helps Trump, I'll be a voice on your side. TODAY VINDICATES me

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
If I SPEAK TRUTH yet a corrupt system shields the powerful, then all good. HRC voters know Dear Leader guilty as sin. The FBI knows as well

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
Oh, I am definitely vindicated after today.  TODAY PROVES GROSS NEGLIGENCE. Trust me, I don't need indictments to know HRC deserved them

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
I was right, about Clinton's behavior, TOP SECRET intelligence, careless decisions. Better hope Bernie becomes nominee, or else Trump wins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piulR3TnXCk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:53:10 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2016, 01:49:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 01:48:44 PM

Walrus was the no indictment announcement better than the last time you had sex? I'm going to need the pros and cons of both.

So much better. Better than all but maybe 5-10 times I had sex in my life. Can't really get into details though.

I can respect that. I'd say that Obama winning in 08 was better than a few of the times I've had sex in my life.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 05, 2016, 01:56:46 PM

Obama entering the white house better than PD entering the dollar store, news at 11. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 05, 2016, 02:04:24 PM

having sex is just a bad idea in general. until i invent a new form of sex.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2016, 02:16:47 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 05, 2016, 02:04:24 PM

having sex is just a bad idea in general. until i invent a new form of sex.

How long until Human Instrumentality is real and we can all merge our gooforms together?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 05, 2016, 02:28:13 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2016, 02:16:47 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 05, 2016, 02:04:24 PM

having sex is just a bad idea in general. until i invent a new form of sex.

How long until Human Instrumentality is real and we can all merge our gooforms together?

Well it was going to be ready next month but I ran into some limitations in the third-party archetype engine I was using and decided to just write my own, should only take an extra week or two though. I'll explain in the next backer update.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Did I already use this joke? I really don't remember. :\

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 05, 2016, 03:19:53 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2016, 01:49:57 PM

Can't really get into details though.

Right. That'd be indecent.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 05, 2016, 03:21:50 PM

Heads rolled. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 03:23:56 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on July 05, 2016, 03:19:53 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2016, 01:49:57 PM

Can't really get into details though.

Right. That'd be indecent.

American views on depictions of violence vs sex
:lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Drumpf v. Killary |OT| We didn't listen.
Post by: Mandark on July 05, 2016, 04:12:47 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 01, 2016, 02:55:48 PM

Omg please let it be Gingrich

Newt's gonna appear with Trump at a rally in Cincinnati tomorrow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 05, 2016, 04:19:21 PM

OMGGGGGGGGGGG

if this really happens I may have a near-Walrussian peak experience

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 05, 2016, 04:45:43 PM

Just imagine the yuugee moon base

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2016, 05:35:12 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 05, 2016, 01:52:22 PM

Quote

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  6m6 minutes ago
James Comey sounded almost like H. A. Goodman today, except Clinton escaped indictment. TOP SECRET intelligence on the server, etc. Guilty.

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  13m13 minutes ago
Hillary Bots, Clinton BARELY beats Trump in an average of polls, never keeps polling leads, and BARELY escaped FBI. Bernie STILL IN THIS!!!

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  21m21 minutes ago
Hillary Supporter: "Yippppeeee Clinton wasn't indicted!!!!" The rest of humanity: "Ummm... Hillary was allowed to run with 2 FBI probes???"

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
If you know FBI's decision hurts rule of law, harms Democrats for the future, helps Trump, I'll be a voice on your side. TODAY VINDICATES me

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
If I SPEAK TRUTH yet a corrupt system shields the powerful, then all good. HRC voters know Dear Leader guilty as sin. The FBI knows as well

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
Oh, I am definitely vindicated after today.  TODAY PROVES GROSS NEGLIGENCE. Trust me, I don't need indictments to know HRC deserved them

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
I was right, about Clinton's behavior, TOP SECRET intelligence, careless decisions. Better hope Bernie becomes nominee, or else Trump wins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piulR3TnXCk

MORAL VICTORY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 05, 2016, 05:59:49 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/WhTVrWm.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: thisismyusername on July 05, 2016, 06:25:26 PM

I'll admit, I'm pissed she isn't being charged. I already knew it wasn't going to happen, but still: Anyone less than her would've been shitcanned for what went on there. The only reason they aren't doing it is because she is no longer SoS apparently.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 06:49:39 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2016, 06:35:28 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on July 05, 2016, 06:25:26 PM

I'll admit, I'm pissed she isn't being charged. I already knew it wasn't going to happen, but still: Anyone less than her would've been shitcanned for what went on there. The only reason they aren't doing it is because she is no longer SoS apparently.

Get fucked with turgid razor-wire you dick dripping.

what comes next? "Dick dripping" is half an insult, there has to be a money shot. "Dick dripping shit stain," for instance.

This reminds me of when I made fun of someone at the Baptist school I played basketball at and he kept saying "you chocolate...you chocolate...burnt chocolate..." Burnt chocolate motherfucker, please.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 05, 2016, 06:50:49 PM

Dick dripping burnt chocolate mother fucker.  What a hot chocolate penis dispensing. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Atramental on July 05, 2016, 06:54:21 PM

edit: God, I cant construct sentences for shit on my phone.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: VomKriege on July 05, 2016, 06:57:37 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 05, 2016, 05:35:12 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 05, 2016, 01:52:22 PM

Quote

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  6m6 minutes ago
James Comey sounded almost like H. A. Goodman today, except Clinton escaped indictment. TOP SECRET intelligence on the server, etc. Guilty.

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  13m13 minutes ago
Hillary Bots, Clinton BARELY beats Trump in an average of polls, never keeps polling leads, and BARELY escaped FBI. Bernie STILL IN THIS!!!

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  21m21 minutes ago
Hillary Supporter: "Yippppeeee Clinton wasn't indicted!!!!" The rest of humanity: "Ummm... Hillary was allowed to run with 2 FBI probes???"

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
If you know FBI's decision hurts rule of law, harms Democrats for the future, helps Trump, I'll be a voice on your side. TODAY VINDICATES me

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
If I SPEAK TRUTH yet a corrupt system shields the powerful, then all good. HRC voters know Dear Leader guilty as sin. The FBI knows as well

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
Oh, I am definitely vindicated after today.  TODAY PROVES GROSS NEGLIGENCE. Trust me, I don't need indictments to know HRC deserved them

 H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR  1h1 hour ago
I was right, about Clinton's behavior, TOP SECRET intelligence, careless decisions. Better hope Bernie becomes nominee, or else Trump wins

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piulR3TnXCk

MORAL VICTORY

This dufus is tearing me apart. I'm going back and forth on the idea he might have a glorious meltdown or not (though that series of tweets is certainly :delicious).

I'm still convinced he'll argue at some point that voting for Trump over Hillary is the correct right choice for leftists.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2016, 08:19:33 PM

So much rage for page 420, just smoke a doob and chillax, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Vizzys on July 05, 2016, 10:16:44 PM

she cant keep getting away with it!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of She Can't Keep Getting Away With It!!! |OT|
Post by: agrajag on July 05, 2016, 10:22:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 05, 2016, 06:49:39 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 05, 2016, 06:35:28 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on July 05, 2016, 06:25:26 PM

I'll admit, I'm pissed she isn't being charged. I already knew it wasn't going to happen, but still: Anyone less than her would've been shitcanned for what went on there. The only reason they aren't doing it is because she is no longer SoS apparently.

Get fucked with turgid razor-wire you dick dripping.

what comes next? "Dick dripping" is half an insult, there has to be a money shot. "Dick dripping shit stain," for instance.

This reminds me of when I made fun of someone at the Baptist school I played basketball at and he kept saying "you chocolate...you chocolate...burnt chocolate..." Burnt chocolate motherfucker, please.

I might be wrong, but I believe Walrus used the word dripping as a verb. Like a cum drop.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 06, 2016, 12:04:46 AM

I think you mean noun, no Kara

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 06, 2016, 12:07:58 AM

Mandark being the only one to actually post something serious on this page :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 06, 2016, 12:08:54 AM

Mandark learn how to have some fun.  Post a gif every once in a while.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: curly on July 06, 2016, 12:09:08 AM

It's an adjective, he's a shit stain whose dick is dripping.

edit: oops didn't see original phrasing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2016, 12:24:15 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 06, 2016, 12:08:54 AM

Mandark learn how to have some fun.  Post a gif every once in a while.

I will never betray my brand consistency.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Mandark on July 06, 2016, 12:25:16 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 06, 2016, 12:04:46 AM

I think you mean noun, no Kara

A gerund.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: agrajag on July 06, 2016, 12:44:02 AM

I meant a noun, yes.

And dripping can be used as a noun. Stuff that dribbles out of your dick = dick dripping.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Yeti on July 06, 2016, 01:01:59 AM

At that point I would just call it a dick droplet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: brawndolicious on July 06, 2016, 01:28:06 AM

Quote from: Vizzys on July 05, 2016, 10:16:44 PM

she cant keep getting away with it!

(http://i.imgur.com/G2foXYf.png?1)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on July 06, 2016, 08:56:44 AM

You would be upset too if you peddled bullshit for 2 years and it didn't happen the way you said it would. It would make you look bad and less credible.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 11:09:46 AM

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FBI Director James Comey will testify on Capitol Hill Thursday regarding the bureau's investigation of Hillary Clinton's email practices, part of a concerted GOP effort to keep the heat on Clinton heading into the party conventions and a long congressional recess.

Comey will appear before the Oversight Committee at 10 a.m., House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz (R-Utah) said on Wednesday morning. The hearing will be just two days after Comey's stunning repudiation of Clinton's "extremely careless" practice of using a private email server to send classified information during her tenure as secretary of State. Comey did not recommend charges be filed against her, stoking GOP outrage and propelling congressional leaders like Chaffetz to seek more information.

Chaffetz's Senate counterpart, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Ron Johnson (R-Wis.), demanded a written explanation of Comey's decision-making on Wednesday. And House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-Va.) said that Attorney General Loretta Lynch will testify next Tuesday before his panel about Clinton's email practices, as well as Bill Clinton's private meeting with Lynch in late June.

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Chaffetz called it "surprising and confusing" that Comey did not recommend an indictment; the FBI chief's criticism, in Chaffetz's view, "makes clear Secretary Clinton violated the law."

"Congress and the American people have a right to understand the depth and breadth of the FBI's investigation," Chaffetz said in a statement announcing that Comey had agreed to his request.

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Across the Capitol, Johnson announced in a letter to Comey that his committee is continuing to investigate Clinton's email use. Johnson asked that Comey describe the cost and scope of the investigation of Clinton and further explain his decision-making process.

"You determined that Secretary Clinton's 'handling of very sensitive, highly classified information' was 'extremely careless.' However, you found that the actions of Secretary Clinton did not lead to a recommendation to pursue criminal charges, including charges under the 'gross negligence' standard ... What is the difference, in the FBI's view, between extreme carelessness and gross negligence?" asked Johnson in the letter. "What set of facts would cause the FBI to recommend criminal charges under the gross negligence standard?"

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"It is uniquely troubling in light of Attorney General Lynch's secret meeting with former President Bill Clinton. No one is above the law and the American people need to know that federal law enforcement is taking this misconduct seriously," Goodlatte said.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 06, 2016, 11:40:19 AM

good lord I don't fucking care about any of this

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 12:23:01 PM

You will be made to care.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 06, 2016, 02:58:36 PM

until recent Fox News mainstay Gretchen Carlson has sued Roger Ailes for sexual harassment. (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/media/gretchen-carlson-roger-ailes-lawsuit/)

sounds like they can get witnesses to corroborate as well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 04:38:03 PM

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If you want to understand Comey’s statements you might have to recall those messages the downed pilots at the Hanoi Hilton occasionally would record for the folks back home—and particularly the one Rear Adm. Jeremiah Denton offered up, in which amid his happy statements about humane treatment by the North Vietnamese were obscured by what looked like unnatural blinking. When Denton’s off-putting tics were matched with Morse code, it was obvious he was spelling out the word “torture” to the American public.

Comey’s statements can be seen as a bit like Denton’s. He laid out a perfectly defensible case for prosecuting Hillary and then gave a cursory, obviously indefensible case for leaving her alone at the end. In doing so, he set the American public ablaze with outrage and signaled to all who would listen that something fundamentally corrupt is going on in the Justice Department.

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James Comey may have hurt Hillary Clinton more than he helped her in his statement Tuesday concerning the Grand Email Controversy. He may have let her off the hook legally, but personally he has left the putative Democratic candidate scarred almost beyond recognition.

A Hillary indictment, in all likelihood, would have meant a new and more scandal-free Democratic candidate, a Joe Biden perhaps, far more potent than the seriously wounded Clinton who now has even more explaining to do.

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in focus groups in Illinois, Pennsylvania and Florida throughout this year, . . . the emails kept coming up among undecided voters. While most people were not familiar with the emails’ contents, they thought this much: They were stark evidence that Clinton was arrogant and untrustworthy.

Everything's coming up Donald :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 06, 2016, 04:43:01 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 06, 2016, 02:58:36 PM

until recent Fox News mainstay Gretchen Carlson has sued Roger Ailes for sexual harassment. (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/media/gretchen-carlson-roger-ailes-lawsuit/)

sounds like they can get witnesses to corroborate as well.

I'm surprised it's taken this long. By all accounts, Ailes is a big 'ol pervert who likes his women blonde, dumb, and showing as much leg as possible at all times.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 06, 2016, 04:45:30 PM

I don't understand why anyone would sexually harass another person over 50. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 04:49:01 PM

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When Carlson met with Ailes to discuss the discriminatory treatment to which she was being subjected, Ailes stated: ‘I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago and then you’d be good and better and I’d be good and better,’ adding that ‘sometimes problems are easier to solve’ that way

He's giving her just plain sensible advice, this whole thing being blown way out of proportion by the lieberal social studies warriors media.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2016, 04:54:15 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 06, 2016, 02:58:36 PM

until recent Fox News mainstay Gretchen Carlson has sued Roger Ailes for sexual harassment. (http://money.cnn.com/2016/07/06/media/gretchen-carlson-roger-ailes-lawsuit/)

sounds like they can get witnesses to corroborate as well.

Old corporate dudes
 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 06, 2016, 07:46:15 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 06, 2016, 07:05:34 PM

If the Clintons really could just have people like Vince Foster murdered willy-nilly, it's kind of amazing that some reporters like Chris Cilliza are still alive.

Quote from: The Walrus on July 06, 2016, 07:05:34 PM

If the Clintons really could just have people like Vince Foster murdered willy-nilly, it's kind of amazing that some reporters like Chris Cilliza are still alive.

http://www.thecoli.com/threads/the-owners-of-audiomack-speak-to-hot-97-notice-the-trend-mjpls.423304/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: brawndolicious on July 06, 2016, 10:03:48 PM

It's still 4 months out. My own expectation, which really means nothing at all, is that the GOP will refuse to turn back on Trump and we'll have a Donner Party type of situation. It'll be a lot of confusion among pollsters when all the "mainstream" Republicans stay home and at the end of it, they'll just try to forget what happened in 2016.

It's really tragic and there's nothing we can do to stop it.  :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 12:32:48 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmtrujAUEAAG0ZN.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2016, 12:38:35 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 06, 2016, 08:25:23 PM

The first post-Comey polls are going to be interesting. A poll just dropped today that showed Clinton +5. It was July 2nd-4th, so it would have been post-Loretta-gate, and the final day of it would have picked up news of the FBI interview. The polls being done right now will be telling.

Iirc Silver said he doesn't expect much of any movement in polls about this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 07, 2016, 12:48:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 12:32:48 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CmtrujAUEAAG0ZN.jpg)

What the fuck is with this letterboxing? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You'd rather pan and scan? :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:45:10 AM

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“When we recognize that one of the very first things [Obama] ever really promised during a campaign, during his first campaign, was something no one really paid attention to until recently, and that is that he said, ‘I have every intent to thoroughly transform the United States of America,’” Tancredo said. “Well, if you understand that and if you understand he’s still totally committed to that, and that everything he does is designed to do that, then you can understand why he presses the issue of immigration so much, because especially immigration from Muslim countries, especially Islamic immigration, will help him in that endeavor. It does eventually thoroughly change and transform America. It reaches his goal. He hates the America you and I love.”

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“I often wonder what he actually was thinking, what went through his mind, each time he had to put his hand on the Bible and take the oath of office, and say he was going to, you know, he swore to uphold the Constitution. What was going through his mind at the time?” Tancredo asked. Both Marr and Tancredo suggested that Obama wanted to have his other hand on the Quran.

“There’s always the, you know, is he really a Muslim? And for them, it is perfectly acceptable to lie about this kind of thing in order to accomplish the goal,” Tancredo said.

:ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 07, 2016, 04:11:25 AM

wrong book PSYCHE

(http://new4.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Oh+god+that+was+beautiful+_fc8d46587dc3697fa1a0429edcdb09f4.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: zomgee on July 07, 2016, 07:46:53 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 07, 2016, 01:36:28 AM

You'd rather pan and scan? :yuck

Shows up great on my 144x9 screen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 07, 2016, 08:14:13 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750865499660091393

(http://i.imgur.com/mibaTSB.png)

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/750868980299104256

(http://i.imgur.com/HJVmMjY.png)

This election man. :lol :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: thisismyusername on July 07, 2016, 11:13:06 AM

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/738014840543797249

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2016, 11:37:12 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on July 07, 2016, 11:13:06 AM

https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/738014840543797249

I've criticized Hillary on this but...you can't possibly think this is analogous to Snowden or Manning...

Surely there's a difference between discussing classified information with your coworkers (who have security clearance) through email, and purposely sending classified information to the public.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: thisismyusername on July 07, 2016, 11:48:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2016, 11:37:12 AM

I've criticized Hillary on this but...you can't possibly think this is analogous to Snowden or Manning...

It kinda is in a way.

She sent classified information (wither or not it was at the time) to a personal e-mail server that isn't under the Government jurisdiction. In essence, she did the very same thing Snowden did: Releasing classified information to the public. Yes, her information may not have "leaked" in the sense that Snowden released his information/CIA information to the public. But the logistics are still the same.

Manning is an entirely different case from Snowden, however.

In other news:

https://books.google.com/books?id=g4k7DAAAQBAJ&lpg=PA1&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q&f=false

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 07, 2016, 12:34:21 PM

:snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2016, 01:29:11 PM

Even assuming the logistics are the same, they're functionally not the same thing at all. And the FBI could find no evidence that any of the emails or the information contained in them was ever compromised.

On the other hand, State's own private email servers were comprised a couple years ago by the Russians, so maybe that should have been a bigger issue than whatever Hillary got up to with her emails.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on July 07, 2016, 01:49:27 PM

More brazen goalpost moving. Tens of millions of tax payer dollars used to smear the opposition party's candidate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2016, 02:00:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAjP5xUHZyE

You watching this with an enormous hate boner, Walrus? FOREIGN POWERS! TEENAGE HACKERS! LIVES AT RISK!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: VomKriege on July 07, 2016, 02:06:21 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2016, 01:29:11 PM

Even assuming the logistics are the same, they're functionally not the same thing at all. And the FBI could find no evidence that any of the emails or the information contained in them was ever compromised.

I was gonna say "Aren't they on Wikileaks ?" but as it turns out they got them thanks to a FOIA claim which I find hilarious.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2016, 03:01:05 PM

Colin Powell used an AOL account. :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 07, 2016, 03:19:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 06, 2016, 04:49:01 PM

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When Carlson met with Ailes to discuss the discriminatory treatment to which she was being subjected, Ailes stated: ‘I think you and I should have had a sexual relationship a long time ago and then you’d be good and better and I’d be good and better,’ adding that ‘sometimes problems are easier to solve’ that way

He's giving her just plain sensible advice, this whole thing being blown way out of proportion by the lieberal social studies warriors media.

i should have had a sexual relationship with my C++ linker a long time ago ... sometimes bugs are easier to fix that way

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: studyguy on July 07, 2016, 03:44:04 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2016, 03:01:05 PM

Colin Powell used an AOL account. :dead

I wonder what AOL chatrooms Powell hit up back in the day.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Atramental on July 07, 2016, 03:47:52 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 07, 2016, 08:14:13 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/750865499660091393

(http://i.imgur.com/mibaTSB.png)

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/750868980299104256

(http://i.imgur.com/HJVmMjY.png)

This election man. :lol :whew

Can't wait for the debates. :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 07, 2016, 09:03:46 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/apnewsbreak-state-department-reopens-clinton-emails-probe-40420129

State Department has reopened the investigation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2016, 09:05:58 PM

Finally, they might get the traitor.  This time. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 07, 2016, 09:11:09 PM

Walrus post if you're okay

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2016, 09:13:52 PM

Is this worst that your worst sexual experience, Walrus?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 07, 2016, 09:56:46 PM

Answer my question.  Is it worse than the boys home for troubled youth I can assume you spent time at?
 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2016, 10:29:35 PM

http://fusion.net/story/313923/make-america-great-again-fictional-presidential-candidate/

tl;dr: Octavia Butler created Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 08, 2016, 12:47:33 PM

https://twitter.com/SeanMcElwee/status/751399593775079424

Trigger warning for AiA.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2016, 01:48:33 PM

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Bernie Sanders has been invited to continue his underdog bid for the White House by the Green party’s probable presidential candidate, who has offered to step aside to let him run.

Jill Stein, who is expected to be endorsed at the party’s August convention in Houston, told Guardian US that “overwhelming” numbers of Sanders supporters are flocking to the Greens rather than Hillary Clinton.

Stein insisted that her presidential bid has a viable “near term goal” of reaching 15% in national polling, which would enable her to stand alongside presumptive nominees Clinton and Donald Trump in televised election debates.

But in a potentially destabilising move for the Democratic party, and an exciting one for Sanders’ supporters, the Green party candidate said she was willing to stand aside for Sanders.

“I’ve invited Bernie to sit down explore collaboration – everything is on the table,” she said. “If he saw that you can’t have a revolutionary campaign in a counter-revolutionary party, he’d be welcomed to the Green party. He could lead the ticket and build a political movement,” she said.

Do it Bernie, keep the pressure on CorruptHillary until she releases her speech transcripts and personal e-mails dating back to her time in Arkansas. Save Democracy!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2016, 03:03:27 PM

I think I looked into that scenario and it didn't change the outcome of any post-war election except 1992 obviously.

I'd imagine changing the Electoral College to PR the two parties would set a 15-20% cut off to allocate any of them. :lol

A PR or MMP legislature would do more for third parties but nobody wants more parties anyway. Having two already causes enough trouble.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2016, 03:40:02 PM

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/trump-barred-speaking-nypd-officers-article-1.2704476?cid=bitly

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On Friday morning Donald Trump begged the city's top cop to let him speak to a 3 p.m. roll call at the NYPD Midtown North Precinct in the wake of the murders of five Dallas police officers Thursday during a protest over police shooting.

But Police Commissioner Bill Bratton strongly rejected the request.

"Our interest is staying out of the politics of the moment, and not to provide photo ops," he told reporters.

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Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks sent an email statement claiming "Mr. Trump and the campaign did not reach out with a request to address roll call."

Despicable that someone would refuse their leader desiring to speak to their employees just so they can play politics with tragic events. Thoughts and prayers with those employees who wanted a chance to hear the President-elect.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 08, 2016, 05:58:21 PM

oh, is that the same 'trust in government' that you and your party have deliberately undermined for decades now, and now you're upset that the government isn't dancing to your paranoid little tune?

I really don't think there was any sort of partisan angle to the non-indictment of Hillary. but if it were to further enervate these peckerheads, then sure, it would be nice.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: VomKriege on July 10, 2016, 12:03:25 PM

HA Goodman : It's getting worse.

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If Bernie decides to endorse Clinton, I’d have nothing but respect and admiration for Vermont’s Senator, even though I’d disagree with his decision. (...) Bernie Sanders, please stay in the race. If you don’t, I’ll still love you, but America needs you now more than ever. I was proved right regarding my prediction that Clinton would be indicted in the court of public opinion

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2016, 12:24:37 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 08, 2016, 06:09:33 PM

Also, I thought the rule of law died last summer with the King v Burwell ruling. Apparently it got revived so Obama/Lynch/Comey could kill it again?

As Obama's mentor Khallid Abdul Muhammad said, "and then you go to the god damn grave and dig em up and kill em a goddamn again because they didn't die hard enough."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 10, 2016, 01:16:54 PM

https://twitter.com/wowidk321/status/752012198831153152

what a time

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 10, 2016, 01:23:49 PM

Jesus

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2016, 01:48:35 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/11/us/politics/donald-trump-republican-party.html

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Same-sex marriage and transgender rights are emerging as points of serious strain between social conservatives and moderates who are trying to shape the Republican platform, reviving a festering cultural dispute as thousands of party activists and delegates prepare for their convention.

Caught in the middle is Donald J. Trump, who claims “tremendous support, tremendous friendship” from gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people, and has gone further than most party figures to embrace them. Gays, in fact, are one of the few minority groups Mr. Trump has not singled out for criticism. But as the presumptive Republican nominee, he is also trying to assuage doubts about the convictions of his conservatism.

...

One of the most contentious issues confronting delegates when they meet on Monday to debate the platform will be whether to adopt a provision defending state laws that try to prevent transgender people from using the public restroom of their choice. At times Mr. Trump has criticized those laws. And he has said Ms. Jenner can use whatever bathroom she prefers at his properties.

But he has also promised not to interfere with the platform, which serves as the party’s official declaration of principles.

Even as Mr. Trump keeps his distance from the debate, other Republicans who share his more accepting view of gay and transgender issues are working aggressively to tone down some of the platform’s language.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on July 11, 2016, 09:36:29 AM

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/2016/07/vladimir_putin_has_a_plan_for_destroying_the_west_and_it_looks_a_lot_like.html

 :usacry

spoiler (click to show/hide)

slate back pat

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2016, 08:54:52 PM

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House Republicans on Monday formally asked the Justice Department to investigate Hillary Clinton and determine whether she lied to Congress, a fresh challenge certain to shadow the Democratic presidential candidate.

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Reps. Jason Chaffetz, R-Utah, chairman of the Oversight panel, and Bob Goodlatte, R-Va., head of the Judiciary Committee, said in a letter that "evidence collected by the FBI during its investigation of Secretary Clinton's use of a personal email system appears to directly contradict several aspects of her sworn testimony."
 
"In light of those contradictions, the department should investigate and determine whether to prosecute Secretary Clinton for violating statutes that prohibit perjury and false statements to Congress, or any other relevant statutes," the two congressmen wrote.

https://oversight.house.gov/release/21387/

Good thing Bernie hasn't quit yet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Trent Dole on July 11, 2016, 08:56:22 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/oVQajPL.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 11, 2016, 08:57:43 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnDg513XgAI-UQa.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 11, 2016, 08:58:12 PM

Seriously, I do not understand this

Is this equivalent to when democrats were up in arms asking Bush to be impeached because of Iraq?

I can't fucking think so.

They're emails.  WHO.  FUCKING.  CARES.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Trent Dole on July 11, 2016, 08:59:42 PM

The only people who care are people who weren't going to vote for her anyway and are looking for excuses to foist upon everyone else to dislike her. There's valid reasons to do so but her email server isn't one of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: VomKriege on July 11, 2016, 09:03:49 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 11, 2016, 08:58:12 PM

They're emails.  WHO.  FUCKING.  CARES.

Well what if they were breached and recklessly printed despite the e-mail footer about responsible paper use ?  :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 11, 2016, 09:30:56 PM

Benghazi fizzled out, so might as well hash out the email thing again, I guess.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 11, 2016, 10:37:13 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 11, 2016, 08:58:12 PM

They're emails.  WHO.  FUCKING.  CARES.

thisismyusername and HUELEN10 (basically the same person at this point) :nintendo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 12, 2016, 11:40:10 AM

Sanders just endorsed Hillary

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4shcgg/bernie_sanders_hillary_clinton_rally_in/

(http://i.imgur.com/MA8PtB8.png)

:woody

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2016, 12:13:39 PM

it's happening again, democracy died! this was it, the end of the usa as we know it just happened!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy8FSyI_Djg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: brob on July 12, 2016, 12:25:42 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/jltOT8V.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2016, 12:39:11 PM

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[–] [score hidden] 6 minutes ago
What a lying piece of shit.
This whole time he lied to our faces.
At least with Clinton you knew that she was a fuck. Now we find out that Bernie was even worse- he was pretending to give a shit and now he's selling us all out.
What a complete fuck.
I'm done with this politics shit. Fuck this, let whatever happen in November happen. Who the fuck can ever trust anyone again after the 1 person who promised to actually give a shit about us just stabbed us int he back.

[–] [score hidden] a minute ago
Never did I imagine that I be witness to the creation of a new political hope, a party that truly represented the people, by a person who lived those morals and values their entire life. And never did I imagine that same person, so steadfast in their beliefs, get bought and sold to destroy that movement in an instant...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Mupepe on July 12, 2016, 12:41:46 PM

The Walrus' zipper just burst open.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2016, 12:42:01 PM

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Stella Guluchi
11:37 AM EDT
Independent Socialist Bernie Sanders is NOT a Democrat and should NEVER have been allowed to run on the Party that he has not contributed, period. Sanders endorsement today means absolutely nothing and he might as well just shove it!
 
Sanders has continued to campaign because of his big ego, bitter, self-righteous, holier-than-thou, sore loser! Bernie has an exaggerated impression of himself and he actually thought the Democrats will reward him with being our 2016 presidential nominee???? Not happening!!!
 
Hopefully, now the Independent Socialist will give up the FBI detail that cost we tax payers at least $38,000.00 a day. Where are all the self righteous Sanders Bernie Surrogates...loud, foul mouthed Tina Turner, inept Ben Jealous, rabid Cornel West, etc. to advise their candidate to produce his tax returns and give up the security detail.
 
Bernie Sanders and his 13 million supporters are free to form their own Party and QUIT the Democratic Party. It is mind boggling that the Democratic Party and the Hillary Campaign allowed Bernie Sanders to drive the Party Platform (that fortunately is not a governing document) and give too much credence to Sanders for issues the Democrats have been and continue to fight for....free education -President Obama has forcefully campaigned for 2 years of free Community College, $15 Minimum Wage - California has already passed into law, Public Option - nothing new here Hillary Clinton ran on this in 2008 and was included in Obamacare until the Blue Dog Democrats booted it out, etc.
 
I am life long Democrat and do not want the Democratic Party pulled to the EXTREME left. The Party must remain in the center to govern effectively and not be driven by the so called Progressives who think they have all the answers and refuse to listen to the other side of the issues.
 
Hillary 2016!!!!!!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2016, 01:01:51 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 12, 2016, 12:41:46 PM

The Walrus' zipper just burst open.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/lfqvIHA8Aydl6/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2016, 01:02:38 PM

Someone check on HA Goodman.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2016, 01:07:27 PM

How entitled do you have to be to hope for Trump because your liberal messiah didn't win smh. Supreme Court? Voting rights laws? Obamacare? Gay rights? Department of Justice? Fuck all that shit, let everything burn for...what exactly. scust

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2016, 01:10:27 PM

Some people have a moral code and care about principles!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2016, 01:12:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2016, 01:07:27 PM

How entitled do you have to be to hope for Trump because your liberal messiah didn't win smh. Supreme Court? Voting rights laws? Obamacare? Gay rights? Department of Justice? Fuck all that shit, let everything burn for...what exactly. scust

If Trump is Bush 2.0 and everything is super shitty for 8 years, then we can get Obama 2.0 elected. It'll be great!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

for two years until the Tea Party 2.0 comes and takes a dump on everything

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 12, 2016, 01:15:07 PM

People actually thought that Berniecrats would bother to vote if Bernie didn't win. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: VomKriege on July 12, 2016, 01:30:43 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 12, 2016, 01:02:38 PM

Someone check on HA Goodman.

Don't worry for him, he already has his exit strategy.

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Hopefully we won't need to, but... BERNIE OR BUST. BERNIE OR BUST. BERNIE OR BUST. BERNIE OR BUST. BERNIE OR BUST. BERNIE OR BUST...or JILL!

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Lots of options on the table if Bernie is forced to play ball with the machine. Still will ALWAYS love Bernie. JILL STEIN is one option!!!

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IF BERNIE endorses, writing-in Bernie, Jill Stein and Green, several other options in 2016. BLAME HRC if Trump wins, not Bernie or Bust.

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Bernie Sanders is an honorable man and I love and respect him. He didn't want to endorse Dear Leader Hillary. But, he was forced to do so.

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We all love Bernie Sanders, but there's a truly remarkable woman in the race named @DrJillStein THE MOVEMENT LIVES, STRONGER THAN EVER.

And well, if the movement STRONGER THAN EVER fails, no big mystery on what he'll do...

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Yes, Hillary Clinton is by far the greater evil compared to Trump

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If Bernie endorses Dear Leader Hillary, I will still LOVE and respect Bernie. Still NEVER voting for Clinton. HRC more dangerous than Trump.

Cynically, Bernie being old means his cuckoo support probably won't be a liability next cycle.

I mean :

(https://scontent-mia1-1.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/sh0.08/e35/p750x750/13584028_1658244927833989_1814328725_n.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Mandark on July 12, 2016, 01:38:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2016, 01:07:27 PM

How entitled do you have to be to hope for Trump because your liberal messiah didn't win smh. Supreme Court? Voting rights laws? Obamacare? Gay rights? Department of Justice? Fuck all that shit, let everything burn for...what exactly. scust

Basically the same people who thought Dems should have voted against the ACA so we could get single payer.

So white people who read Matt Taibbi and already have insurance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2016, 03:24:39 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/jwtq7nO.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/56Wf5rK.png)

So it's Hillary's fault the Bernie or Busters are gonna give the election to Trump?

Even putting aside that won't happen, and most Bernie voters will vote Hillary... what?

HA Goodman just outed himself as the human personification of r/politics: not actually pro-Bernie or pro-Democrat, just anti-Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2016, 03:44:33 PM

But they aren't going to give the election to Trump. We're talking about what, 15-20% of Sanders supporters at best? Probably not even that much given that polls are showing that his supporters are supporting the nominee at a higher rate than Hillary supporters did in 08.

The thing that gets me Walrus-level mad is the idea that these people matter, and have enough sway to shift the election. They don't matter, I don't give a fuck if they vote or not. We're talking about a small minority of BernieBros and I'm tired of their worth being trumped up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Brehvolution on July 12, 2016, 04:06:17 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/obama-dallas-memorial-act-of-racial-hatred


"When will the president call it radical racial hatred?"
                 /
 :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2016, 04:45:15 PM

https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/752963538960912388

holy shit I sold my Gingrich shares at a loss yesterday  :lol

I bought half back pretty cheaply this morning which has worked well but fuck...I should have just stayed up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2016, 05:35:18 PM

http://gawker.com/the-bernie-sanders-meme-community-is-freaking-the-fuck-1783526725

Edit-

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--mRFL6awQ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/kdhu36ij7bdsjqbiy9hg.png)

Did she just admit to being a prostitute? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 12, 2016, 05:38:06 PM

Benidict Bernie :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2016, 05:38:17 PM

Prostitutes pay you?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2016, 05:38:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2016, 05:38:17 PM

Prostitutes pay you?

Oh yeah :duh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 12, 2016, 05:39:02 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 12, 2016, 05:35:18 PM

http://gawker.com/the-bernie-sanders-meme-community-is-freaking-the-fuck-1783526725

Edit-

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--mRFL6awQ--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/kdhu36ij7bdsjqbiy9hg.png)

Did she just admit to being a prostitute? :lol

no, read it again.

edit:  lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2016, 06:23:16 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 12, 2016, 05:38:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2016, 05:38:17 PM

Prostitutes pay you?

Oh yeah :duh

:hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread of Walrus vs. HA Goodman in the Rage Cage |OT|
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2016, 06:25:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2016, 06:23:16 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 12, 2016, 05:38:35 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2016, 05:38:17 PM

Prostitutes pay you?

Oh yeah :duh

:hitler

:shaq

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 13, 2016, 12:50:31 AM

Tasty works the long con

 :money

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 13, 2016, 06:05:45 AM

I am so confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 13, 2016, 10:00:32 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 13, 2016, 06:05:45 AM

I am so confused

what's new?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 13, 2016, 10:20:35 AM

Bernie Sanders Just Made Jill Stein the Most Powerful Woman in American Politics

Speaking of HA Goodman, he's in a bit of feud (on Twitter, so don't worry, everyone is safe) with the Daily Beast who did a "hit piece" on him, found here : The poet laureate of Bernie porn (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/05/31/the-poet-laureate-of-bernie-porn-does-not-want-to-talk-to-the-beast.html)

I never thought about it twice but I'm not surprised that he was in fact not a pundit by trade but a blogger turned cult sensation. Very apt for riding the Bernie Sanders train.

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Goodman lists not a single connection on LinkedIn, but does note that his business is a member of the Los Angeles Chamber of Commerce. Under “honors and awards” he says that he was voted “the biggest mensch” at his local synagogue.

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The second book, as Goodman described it in a press release, “creates an afterlife never before seen in a novel. God is nowhere to be found, hell is an office, Satan is a female CEO, demons in suits peddle evil to fulfill sales quotas, and heaven is taken over by fundamentalists.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 13, 2016, 12:21:27 PM

When do I start panicking?

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/quinnipiac-poll-trump-leads-florida-pennsylvania

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 13, 2016, 01:02:44 PM

This is what happens when you run someone corrupt as Hillary Killthem #sheliedtheydied #benghazi

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 13, 2016, 01:06:30 PM

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The second book, as Goodman described it in a press release, “creates an afterlife never before seen in a novel. God is nowhere to be found, hell is an office, Satan is a female CEO, demons in suits peddle evil to fulfill sales quotas, and heaven is taken over by fundamentalists.”

HA Goodman wrote a Terry Pratchett book from 1990?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Tasty on July 13, 2016, 04:00:15 PM

Donald Trump’s Platform Committee: Gay Sex Deadlier Than Smoking (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/07/12/donald-trump-s-platform-committee-gay-sex-deadlier-than-smoking.html)

:mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 13, 2016, 07:30:55 PM

The GOP platform has been a complete disaster from the start. They even inserted a plank calling coal "clean energy." :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 13, 2016, 10:48:49 PM

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-07-12/bernie-fans-say-fart-in-against-hillary-will-go-on

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Bernie Fans Say 'Fart-In' Against Hillary Will Go On
Unswayed by his endorsement, progressives continue to stockpile beans for the Democratic convention.

:doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 13, 2016, 10:52:32 PM

Walrus better pack a gasmask with his gun. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2016, 01:14:40 AM

In PPP's last poll (http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_63016.pdf) (the date is typo'd) they asked a variation of the Brexit for the US with Texas leaving.

Among almost every crosstab it was roughly 20-25% for Texas to leave, 60-65% for them to stay. Except three.

Among 18-29 year olds it was 37% to leave, 46% to stay. Among Hispanics it was 40% to leave, 44% to stay. Among those who say they're very liberal it was 43% to stay, 53% to leave.

Also, a lot of the Democratic-lean demographics (hispanics, 18-29, very liberal) seem to think Hillary is in her mid-50's and Trump his mid-70's.

More important poll findings in the NBA thread.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Brehvolution on July 14, 2016, 10:31:34 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ACpt8bf.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2016, 02:31:00 PM

www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/14/no-palin-at-rnc-because-alaska-too-far.html

Alaska is too far away for Sarah to make it to the RNC. :dead

Unless, she's secretly going to be there as Trump's VP. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2016, 02:32:54 PM

IE Trump wouldn't pay to fly her to Cleveland.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 14, 2016, 02:46:50 PM

So apparently the VP is going to be Pence.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 14, 2016, 03:39:06 PM

Saw this and thought it was worth reading:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/a-propagator-of-race-hatred-and-violence

This isn't getting a lot of attention. But it should. Everybody took note when Donald Trump repeatedly claimed that American Muslims across the river in New Jersey celebrated and cheered as the Twin Towers fell on 9/11 - an entirely fabricated claim. Last night on Bill O'Reilly's show and then separately at a rally in Westfield, Indiana he did something very similar and in so doing cemented his status an impulsive propagator of race-hatred and violence.

The details of the rapid-fire fulmination are important. So let's look at them closely.

Trump claimed that people - "some people" - called for a moment of silence for mass killer Micah Johnson, the now deceased mass shooter who killed five police officers in Dallas on Thursday night. There is no evidence this ever happened. Searches of the web and social media showed no evidence. Even Trump's campaign co-chair said today that he can't come up with any evidence that it happened. As in the case of the celebrations over the fall of the twin towers, even to say there's 'no evidence' understates the matter. This didn't happen. Trump made it up.

Godwin and all that, but go through the whole thing. It's pretty clear that Trump will just flat out say anything if he thinks it'll get Southern whites spoiling for a war, doesn't matter what it is or how dangerous it might be. Actually, the more dangerous the better. When it gets to that point, what good does fact-checking this 'story' even do? Trump is lying, he knows he's lying, and the people he's talking to believe in their hearts that he's telling them the truth. Any fact-checking done by the media is just a liberal attempt to deceive the faithful about what's really going on. Trump's conservative proposals are a big whatever. He's the Republican nominee, of course he's going to take all those positions. But it's stuff like this that raises Trump from just a doofy clown to being genuinely frightening.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2016, 05:29:49 PM

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/vb.153080620724/10157309144940725/?type=2&theater

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2016, 09:26:34 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 14, 2016, 02:31:00 PM

www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/14/no-palin-at-rnc-because-alaska-too-far.html

Alaska is too far away for Sarah to make it to the RNC. :dead

Unless, she's secretly going to be there as Trump's VP. :doge

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 14, 2016, 02:32:54 PM

IE Trump wouldn't pay to fly her to Cleveland.

fiscal responsibility  :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Syph on July 15, 2016, 02:41:51 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 14, 2016, 05:29:49 PM

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/vb.153080620724/10157309144940725/?type=2&theater

:dead

cant lie this is top tier

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 15, 2016, 02:43:57 AM

better trump than sanders right

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Trent Dole on July 15, 2016, 02:54:42 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on July 15, 2016, 02:43:57 AM

better trump than sanders right

(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s41/noxiousfix/kill_yourself_2.jpg) (http://media.photobucket.com/user/noxiousfix/media/kill_yourself_2.jpg.html)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2016, 09:57:53 AM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 14, 2016, 11:22:59 PM

r/politics has completed its transformation into r/trump. Pretty amazing, actually. I didn't post much, but I remember it being more of a generic liberal/techno-libertarian-who-supports-safety-net place like GAF up until about a year ago. Unless I'm completely remembering wrong.

/r/4chan makes it to the frontpage. That's all you need to know about that.

My filter list keeps growing. :goty2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 15, 2016, 10:33:07 AM

It's easier to just filter out reddit entirely

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 15, 2016, 10:35:01 AM

The only way I can see using reddit is going directly to the subreddit I'm interested in and stop. It's all garbage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Rufus on July 15, 2016, 10:55:59 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 15, 2016, 10:33:07 AM

It's easier to just filter out reddit entirely

My account is almost a decade old, bratan. I'm in too deep. :doge

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on July 15, 2016, 10:35:01 AM

The only way I can see using reddit is going directly to the subreddit I'm interested in and stop. It's all garbage.

That is esentially what I do, but I 'run out' early and end up checking r/all anyway...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 10:58:26 AM

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Donald Trump has picked Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his running mate, the presumptive Republican nominee announced in a tweet, a move that adds an established, mainstream conservative politician to his unconventional bid for president.

"I am pleased to announce that I have chosen Governor Mike Pence as my Vice Presidential running mate. News conference tomorrow at 11:00 A.M." Trump said on Friday morning.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 15, 2016, 12:41:39 PM

meh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 15, 2016, 01:06:42 PM

It seems with this pick that Trump is trying to "pivot" a little and be a little less bombastic. I can see why conventional wisdom would say to do that. But, let's be honest, conventional wisdom is not what got Trump this far.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2016, 01:55:49 PM

Remember when Mike Pence proudly signed the Right to Discriminate Act and then shat his pants and the bed so badly on national TV trying to defend it that he had to go back and rewrite it? Good times. Truly the skilled politician we need to keep Trump in check.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 02:23:33 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnavTiqWgAAg2kY.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 15, 2016, 02:25:45 PM

But that's the thing. You'd expect Trump to go with someone who wouldn't back down from that and be all "tough"

edit: Is that T penetrating the P?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2016, 02:28:12 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 02:23:33 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnavTiqWgAAg2kY.jpg)

Can't unsee

(http://i.imgur.com/qOSBN.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 15, 2016, 02:30:30 PM

I'm pretty sure Trump wants somebody who's competent enough to do most the of actual job of Presidentin', but won't be getting too uppity and will be completely servile to him. Gingrich probably had too many of his own ideas, and Christie might have wanted it too much.

Pence will make a fine boot lick, as a bonus he's got a good relationship with the Koch's, and Donnie clearly needs to tap that well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 02:34:31 PM

http://www.weeklystandard.com/for-social-conservatives-and-fans-of-religious-liberty-pence-pick-will-sting/article/2003296

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Right now, a thousand keyboards are clacking as political reporters churn out stories saying in so many words that the selection of Pence will likely help reassure Republicans who have their doubts about Trump's understanding of and commitment to conservative principles.

Don't believe any of them.

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Though the Indiana law is not in conflict with other LGBT protections, it was decried as an act of bigotry. Journalists started fishing for villains, settling on the religious owners of an Indiana pizza parlor who said they would not (hypothetically) want to cater a gay wedding. Companies such as Apple and Ebay, which have no problem doing business in bastions of enlightened attitudes on gays as Saudi Arabia and Indonesia, threatened to boycott Indiana. (Curiously, they have not also threatened to boycott the existing 21 states with RFRAs.)

Once it became clear that Pence was going to have to make a stand on religious freedom, he folded. Indiana's religious freedom law was gutted at Pence's direction within a week of it being passed.

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Pence's actions surrounding Indiana's RFRA controversy (and to a lesser extent, his cozying up to the unprincipled and amoral Trump) seem positively Judas-like.

And over the course of the last year, Pence's actions look even worse. It would be one thing if the impetus behind the attack on religious liberty was actually to prevent discrimination, but it seems believers have more to fear from gay rights advocates than vice versa. The Iowa Civil Rights Commission recently tried—unsuccessfully—to criminalize Christian teaching on sexual sins even inside churches. (Canada has actually tried to legally muzzle pastors in the issue, so suggesting this is a goal of the more noxious elements of the gay rights movement isn't exactly far fetched.) Religious liberty is actually foundational to all First Amendment protections, because whether or not your beliefs are formally codified by a church, synagogue, or mosque, the private process at which everyone arrives at the truth is nonetheless so sacred it should be protected from government intrusion.

The fact that Pence, who is otherwise loudly socially conservative, can't be trusted to stand up for religious freedom is a stinging rebuke to religious voters.

Quote

According to CNN, "Removing Pence from the governor's race, several senior Indiana Republican officials, aides and operatives said, would allow the state GOP to escape from the turmoil of years of social battles over same-sex marriage and religious freedom."

That's accurate but slightly misleading. The problem wasn't that Pence caused turmoil by taking on religious freedom issues, but rather that he handled it so badly. Right now, the GOP's nominee for Indiana's third congressional district, which includes Ft. Wayne, is state senator Jim Banks. Banks emerged victorious in the highly competitive primary in no small part because he and his wife—who filled his seat while he served in Afghanistan—emerged as leaders in pushing back on Pence's cowardice toward religious freedom and made it an issue in Banks's campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 15, 2016, 02:46:53 PM

Much more interested in the VP I'll be voting for

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Kara on July 15, 2016, 02:47:00 PM

I need TP. For my bunghole.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 15, 2016, 03:06:13 PM

The merpeople are just fickle. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 15, 2016, 03:13:23 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 02:34:31 PM

Quote

Religious liberty is actually foundational to all First Amendment protections, because whether or not your beliefs are formally codified by a church, synagogue, or mosque, the private process at which everyone arrives at the truth is nonetheless so sacred it should be protected from government intrusion.

but what if I worship the state? :huh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 15, 2016, 03:16:05 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 15, 2016, 03:02:05 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 15, 2016, 02:46:53 PM

Much more interested in the VP I'll be voting for

Yeah, any buzz on who Jill Stein will pick?

Damn you preempted my joke :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 15, 2016, 06:51:02 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 02:23:33 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnavTiqWgAAg2kY.jpg)

So what I'm seeing here is that a tool is inserting himself into a pussy.

Sounds like Trump and Pence's relationship, for sure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Yeti on July 15, 2016, 10:03:29 PM

Feed the birds, Trumppence a bag. Trumppence, Trumppence, Trumppence a bag.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2016, 05:15:31 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2016/07/15/3798835/oil-spills-good-for-economy-nature-vancouver/

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“The Draft Environmental Impact Statement identifies many economic impacts arising from an accident associated with Project operations, but fails to recognize economic activity that would be generated by spill response,” Todd Schatzki, vice president of Analysis Group — a consulting group that released an economic report on the terminal commissioned by Tesoro Savage — wrote in pre-filed testimony. “When a spill occurs, new economic activity occurs to clean-up contaminated areas, remediate affected properties, and supply equipment for cleanup activities. Anecdotal evidence from recent spills suggests that such activity can be potentially large.”

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During his testimony, Challenger also brought up the Athos 1 oil spill, which sent 264,000 gallons of crude oil into the Delaware River in 2004. The spill, Challenger said, took place during duck hunting season, and forced an early closure for recreational hunting in the area."There were an estimate of 3,000 birds affected by the oil, and 13,000 birds not shot by hunters not shot by hunters, because of the closed season," he said. "We don’t get any credit for that, but it’s hard to deny that it’s good for birds to not be shot."

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 16, 2016, 05:22:28 AM

"Building and deconstructing is growth all the same !"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2016, 05:26:19 AM

:stahp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2016, 05:48:00 AM

This is what happens when you stop teaching children Bastiat. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mupepe on July 16, 2016, 09:36:10 AM

Also, modern hunting bag limits are used to keep the ecosystem in equilibrium so then they had too many damn birds that season. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2016, 11:18:55 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 16, 2016, 09:36:10 AM

Also, modern hunting bag limits are used to keep the ecosystem in equilibrium so then they had too many damn birds that season. :doge

But just think of all the jobs created scrubbing oily birds.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: brawndolicious on July 16, 2016, 06:19:50 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on July 15, 2016, 02:25:45 PM

But that's the thing. You'd expect Trump to go with someone who wouldn't back down from that and be all "tough"

edit: Is that T penetrating the P?

It's a subliminal message about Pence trying to wrangle him  in. And that Trump shoots a hole straight through his political career.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 17, 2016, 12:31:18 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 16, 2016, 11:18:55 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on July 16, 2016, 09:36:10 AM

Also, modern hunting bag limits are used to keep the ecosystem in equilibrium so then they had too many damn birds that season. :doge

But just think of all the jobs created scrubbing oily birds.

Ya but it really brings down the wages earned by geriatric nurses.  Use to be that a nurse could expect a middle class life style.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Oblivion on July 17, 2016, 11:53:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R42mFx3_ss&feature=youtu.be

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: chronovore on July 18, 2016, 12:49:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diaCHYO7haY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2016, 11:54:48 AM

Quote

Jonathan Karl ‏@jonkarl 3h3 hours ago Cleveland, OH
Manafort: "New Mexico is coming back in play and that's even before we fix the Hispanic problem" @bpolitics breakfast

lol wow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2016, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 18, 2016, 11:54:48 AM

Quote

Jonathan Karl ‏@jonkarl 3h3 hours ago Cleveland, OH
Manafort: "New Mexico is coming back in play and that's even before we fix the Hispanic problem" @bpolitics breakfast

lol wow

What does this mean? 🤔

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 18, 2016, 12:24:43 PM

that Trump's main guy thinks they can win New Mexico (possible, I guess, maybe?) and that Donnie can repair his relationship with America's Latino population (no, just, no, its just so...  :mindblown).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2016, 01:50:57 PM

"Fix the Hispanic problem" sounds a bit more ominous coming from the Trump campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Atramental on July 18, 2016, 04:27:30 PM

Watching the RNC right now.

What a madhouse.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 18, 2016, 04:36:47 PM

Die Mexikanerfrage

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Brehvolution on July 18, 2016, 04:36:54 PM

Don't forget that they are all allowed to carry guns at the convention.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 18, 2016, 04:55:05 PM

Quote from: Dufus on July 18, 2016, 04:40:58 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on July 18, 2016, 04:36:47 PM

Die Mexikanerfrage

:hitler

(http://www.thecoli.com/data/emoticons/0/fed8bbabdef7bff60f907b732693d9bb.png?t=1452522613)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 18, 2016, 07:14:55 PM

Quote

“I put lipstick on a pig,” he said. “I feel a deep sense of remorse that I contributed to presenting Trump in a way that brought him wider attention and made him more appealing than he is.” He went on, “I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization.”

The art of the deal ghostwriter is having a tough time coping with what he did...
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

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This year, Schwartz has heard some argue that there must be a more thoughtful and nuanced version of Donald Trump that he is keeping in reserve for after the campaign. “There isn’t,” Schwartz insists. “There is no private Trump.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Steve Contra on July 18, 2016, 07:40:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/steve-king-white-people-civilization (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/steve-king-white-people-civilization)

They aren't even trying to hide it anymore folks.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2016, 07:47:49 PM

Steve King did a poor job of hiding it even before Trump came along.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Kara on July 18, 2016, 08:04:08 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 18, 2016, 07:40:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/steve-king-white-people-civilization (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/steve-king-white-people-civilization)

They aren't even trying to hide it anymore folks.

Quote

That smoking hot take came moments after Esquire writer Charles Pierce declared that the 2016 Republican National Convention would be the last time "old white people" would command the attention of the Republican Party.

I've been hearing this for at least a decade now and yet here we are. Move to reclass from "wonkthought" to "meme".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2016, 08:14:36 PM

Quote from: Kara on July 18, 2016, 08:04:08 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 18, 2016, 07:40:46 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/steve-king-white-people-civilization (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/steve-king-white-people-civilization)

They aren't even trying to hide it anymore folks.

Quote

That smoking hot take came moments after Esquire writer Charles Pierce declared that the 2016 Republican National Convention would be the last time "old white people" would command the attention of the Republican Party.

I've been hearing this for at least a decade now and yet here we are. Move to reclass from "wonkthought" to "meme".

White people are worse than Jason in the Friday the 13th movies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: archie4208 on July 18, 2016, 08:33:42 PM

Twitch is streaming the GOP convention. (https://www.twitch.tv/gopconvention) ???

Which is less stupid?  Twitch chat or Republicans.  :teehee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Steve Contra on July 18, 2016, 09:23:38 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 18, 2016, 07:47:49 PM

Steve King did a poor job of hiding it even before Trump came along.

It's his time to shine!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2016, 10:23:11 PM

Haven't been watching the RNC, is America great again yet?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2016, 10:26:59 PM

n/m, obviously not

(http://i.imgur.com/MAA3bah.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: brob on July 18, 2016, 10:43:16 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/2CUNMEo.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2016, 10:47:09 PM

This new guy is dying out there, bring back Melania.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: brob on July 18, 2016, 10:50:35 PM

give him a break, public speaking is hard when u are going thru puberty :(

(these constant attempts at u-s-a chants that fizzle out as soon as they start are a bit awkward :doge)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2016, 10:58:46 PM

Just heard this guy blame Obama for Russia's nuclear program. Send help, I'm going down for the last time.  :ussrcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 18, 2016, 11:12:26 PM

I cannot even fathom the sort of display put on tonight.

It's like everyone's shitty racist uncle got together in Cleveland to jerk each other off

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Kara on July 18, 2016, 11:56:46 PM

Quote from: archie4208 on July 18, 2016, 08:33:42 PM

Twitch is streaming the GOP convention. (https://www.twitch.tv/gopconvention) ???

Which is less stupid?  Twitch chat or Republicans.  :teehee

Just another day in (http://i.imgur.com/cdlLYHb.png)-talist America.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Tasty on July 19, 2016, 12:06:18 AM

How long you been waiting to bust that out? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2016, 12:13:01 AM

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/177208645065506817/204811674207780864/71C274CD-4C62-4C7B-B0FD-4EC31E121575.jpg)
 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2016, 12:23:01 AM

White people really do swipe everything from black people.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2016, 12:34:54 AM

video
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/755253980515672064

yooooo

apparently CNN and MSNBC are grilling Trump aides about this now. We're getting closer and closer to Trump saying something wild about Michelle brehs. Prepare yourselves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2016, 01:45:12 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2016, 12:34:54 AM

video
https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/755253980515672064

yooooo

apparently CNN and MSNBC are grilling Trump aides about this now. We're getting closer and closer to Trump saying something wild about Michelle brehs. Prepare yourselves.

(http://i.imgur.com/Xx2mJg7.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: chronovore on July 19, 2016, 02:03:08 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2016, 12:23:01 AM

White people really do swipe everything from black people.

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Sugar Pie Honey Bunch on July 19, 2016, 08:30:03 AM

Ah, it probably wasn't malevolent

http://www.nytimes.com/1987/09/18/us/biden-admits-plagiarism-in-school-but-says-it-was-not-malevolent.html?pagewanted=all

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/frenzy/biden.htm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: PlayDat on July 19, 2016, 12:43:35 PM

https://twitter.com/AlanKestrel750/status/755256379770806272

 :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2016, 12:45:45 PM

Not politics stricto sensu (or is it ?) but Roger Ailes should be on his way out. Rumors that Megyn Kelly told the Fox investigators that he made unwanted advances quite a few years ago which if true would make it pretty difficult to stand with Ailes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2016, 01:35:32 PM

https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/what-women-problem-b238f650fd8e#.h16jjn6uz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Syph on July 19, 2016, 02:19:46 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIBe40MjLbm/

 :neogaf :neogaf :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Steve Contra on July 19, 2016, 02:43:00 PM

Dumb people finding out about the electoral college is top ten guilty pleasure for me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 19, 2016, 02:53:57 PM

#until

really nick cannon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 19, 2016, 03:01:46 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2016, 01:35:32 PM

https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/what-women-problem-b238f650fd8e#.h16jjn6uz

Holy crap :heh
People straight up refusing to accept a documented, broadcast fact.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2016, 03:07:55 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on July 19, 2016, 03:01:46 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2016, 01:35:32 PM

https://medium.com/welcome-to-the-scream-room/what-women-problem-b238f650fd8e#.h16jjn6uz

Holy crap :heh
People straight up refusing to accept a documented, broadcast fact.

Sort of like FBI investigators huh :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 19, 2016, 03:27:12 PM

So who does Clinton select as her VP yall

I say Booker or Kaine

Hoping for Booker

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2016, 03:30:13 PM

Julian Castro

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 19, 2016, 03:36:44 PM

Kaine

My PredictIt picks so far
:tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mandark on July 19, 2016, 03:39:42 PM

Tom Perez

(probably Kaine)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Brehvolution on July 19, 2016, 04:57:11 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/roger-ailes-out-fox-news-drudge

(http://i.imgur.com/YZBwplS.gif)

Bye Felicia.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Syph on July 19, 2016, 05:59:22 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 19, 2016, 03:27:12 PM

So who does Clinton select as her VP yall

I say Booker or Kaine

Hoping for Booker

Killer Mike

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 19, 2016, 06:11:38 PM

"To paraphrase one of the great poets of our time, Buffalo Springfield, something's happening here and what it is IS exactly clear! We're gonna make America great again!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2016, 09:05:26 PM

haters were givin benji so much grief like a year ago and probably other times for saying Vilsack would wind up on the short list
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/two-names-emerge-from-clintons-vp-deliberations-kaine-and-vilsack/2016/07/19/62189146-4d2d-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html

Quote

Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack and Sen. Timothy M. Kaine of Virginia have emerged as the leading candidates among a longer list of finalists Hillary Clinton is considering for her vice-presidential running mate, according to interviews with multiple Democrats with knowledge of her deliberations.

Although her list is not limited to those two, Clinton has spoken highly of both in recent days to friends and advisers as she closes in on an announcement that could come as soon as Friday.

Quote

Kaine has been a favorite for the job for months and is the name most often mentioned by Democrats as the front-runner. He and Vilsack share many professional and political attributes, notably their governing experience. Both fit Clinton’s ideal of low-key, loyal effectiveness, people who know both men said. Vilsack carries the additional quality of a long-standing personal friendship with Clinton.

Two Democrats described Perez as a solid third choice, but others cautioned that he may not be in the same category as Vilsack and Kaine. Several Democrats emphasized that the fact that Kaine and Vilsack appear to be the leading contenders does not preclude Clinton’s continuing to weigh her choices from a larger list of contenders.

Quote

[Vilsack] is a latecomer to the pool of possible vice-presidential choices, but his star has risen over the past two weeks, several Democrats said.

Vilsack is seen as likely to deliver Iowa, a key swing state. That gives him one potential advantage over Kaine, whose home state of Virginia is also a battleground but one many Democrats judge to be safer for Clinton this year than Iowa.

“He’s not a lot of bling and glitter; he’s just Iowa solid,” said Bonnie Campbell, an Iowa Democratic strategist with longtime ties to both Clinton and Vilsack.

Vilsack also comes with a compelling personal story. He was placed in an orphanage as a young boy in Pittsburgh, then adopted. His adoptive mother was an alcoholic, something he mentions frequently in addresses about the problem of opioid addiction, an issue that falls under the purview of the Department of Agriculture and for which he shares a passion with Clinton.

Vilsack is, however, far from young at 65, and a narrowed field led by Kaine and Vilsack would place two white men atop a list that has included several Hispanic candidates, one white woman and one African American man — a potentially awkward optical reality for Clinton to contend with, particularly within the diverse base of the Democratic party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2016, 09:41:48 PM

Quote

optical reality

(https://i.imgur.com/dNVvntX.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2016, 09:52:23 PM

https://twitter.com/ditzkoff/status/755455836240089088/video/1

:cmonson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 19, 2016, 10:15:00 PM

http://www.kplctv.com/story/32479326/watch-live-black-lives-matter-protest-near-east-4th-st

Quote

Activists from Black Lives Matter, Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK were in the square and, at one time, were said to be throwing urine at each other.

Quote

The Stand Together Against Trump group was expected to parade Tuesday afternoon at 1:30 p.m. A total of 0 protesters showed up. There were 15 media members, 17 preachers and several police instead. The group had a parade permit for up to 5,000 people. They later sent an email saying the group would be handing out water at Public Square during that time.

So rather than an organized protest, a bunch of whackjobs were throwing piss at each other instead.

#politics2016

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2016, 10:32:58 PM

are they punishing ben carson by making him stay up this late to give his speech?

or is he the "bedtime story" speaker to help everyone get well rested?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2016, 10:40:50 PM

guess they pumped him full of bawls or something

why am i still watching this, i only wanted to watch donald jr, eric and ivanka  :drool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mandark on July 19, 2016, 11:22:01 PM

Did Carson link Hillary to Satan Lucifer or something in his speech?  Seeing some stuff in my timeline.


edit: ...aaaaaaaaand Donald Trump Jr's speech apparently had some stolen shit in it too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2016, 11:29:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 19, 2016, 11:22:01 PM

edit: ...aaaaaaaaand Donald Trump Jr's speech apparently had some stolen shit in it too.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/755601024908300288/photo/1

Sad!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2016, 11:31:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feNrNsmINdQ

~4 minutes in

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-9y0cW8LRE

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mandark on July 19, 2016, 11:43:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 19, 2016, 11:29:59 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 19, 2016, 11:22:01 PM

edit: ...aaaaaaaaand Donald Trump Jr's speech apparently had some stolen shit in it too.

https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/755601024908300288/photo/1

Sad!

Now I'm hearing that the author of that article wrote the speech, so it's just reusing material.  Bah, not as fun.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 19, 2016, 11:49:10 PM

http://davidduke.com/jewish-neocon-speechwriter-sabotage-melania-trumps-big-speech/

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Did a Jewish Neocon Speechwriter Sabotage Melania Trump’s Big Speech?
JULY 19, 2016 AT 4:18 PM
Since I made this video I have analyzed the whole silly scandal and the inescapable logic that this was intentional sabotage and treachery.

Israel’s Mossad has a motto: it is “By deception Thou Shalt Wage War.”

We know the Jewish establishment of both the NeoCon right and Democratic Left despise Donald Trump. Jewish pollster Finkelstein says that Donald Trump is the most unpopular candidate for President among Jews since David Duke’s race of 1992!

Nobody could have been so stupid as to make about five or six common quotes out of Michele Obama’s Demo convention speech just a few years before and put it Melania Trump’s speech and not think it would get exposed!

This is a con job, sabotage, political character assassination plan from the get go!

Also, it seems as though the operative set up Melania, by leaking it to other Jewish media insiders who repeatedly asked her about the speech before she gave it prodding her to suggest that she came up with most of it but was helped a little by the speechwriter.

I would bet a gefilte fish that this was sabotage. I would also bet a bagel it was orchestrated by an Israel Firster who wanted to damage the American Firster.

This is no accident and certainly nothing that Melania did intentionally.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 20, 2016, 12:07:53 AM

There are not enough face palms in the world for the US

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: chronovore on July 20, 2016, 12:15:09 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 19, 2016, 11:49:10 PM

http://davidduke.com/jewish-neocon-speechwriter-sabotage-melania-trumps-big-speech/

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Did a Jewish Neocon Speechwriter Sabotage Melania Trump’s Big Speech?
JULY 19, 2016 AT 4:18 PM
Since I made this video I have analyzed the whole silly scandal and the inescapable logic that this was intentional sabotage and treachery.

Israel’s Mossad has a motto: it is “By deception Thou Shalt Wage War.”

We know the Jewish establishment of both the NeoCon right and Democratic Left despise Donald Trump. Jewish pollster Finkelstein says that Donald Trump is the most unpopular candidate for President among Jews since David Duke’s race of 1992!

Nobody could have been so stupid as to make about five or six common quotes out of Michele Obama’s Demo convention speech just a few years before and put it Melania Trump’s speech and not think it would get exposed!

This is a con job, sabotage, political character assassination plan from the get go!

Also, it seems as though the operative set up Melania, by leaking it to other Jewish media insiders who repeatedly asked her about the speech before she gave it prodding her to suggest that she came up with most of it but was helped a little by the speechwriter.

I would bet a gefilte fish that this was sabotage. I would also bet a bagel it was orchestrated by an Israel Firster who wanted to damage the American Firster.

This is no accident and certainly nothing that Melania did intentionally.

Who fucking cares if she did it intentionally? If you lie because someone suggests lying would be a good idea, you've still chosen to lie. And in this case, steal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: chronovore on July 20, 2016, 12:15:38 AM

http://www.theparisreview.org/blog/tag/unconventional-comic/

I liked the William S. Burroughs entry in this series.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2016, 12:21:44 AM

Ha ha unironic antisemitism.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2016, 12:26:47 AM

oh sure, run right for the anti-semitism card to defend the Marxist-Kibbutz state

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2016, 01:22:09 AM

Quote from: David Duke

I would bet a gefilte fish that this was sabotage.

Really?  You'd bet a gefilte fish?  Not Channukah gelt?  The proper racist imagery is right there, man.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2016, 01:32:58 AM

Don't be such a hard toches, Mandark. He also bet a bagel.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2016, 01:38:42 AM

He seems awfully confident this was a schmear job.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2016, 08:11:22 AM

obligatory doomed candidacy update

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoQLL735QVE

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9u2kxW81cRM

 :heh

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ads way better this time than the absolute trash cult-like REVOLUTION stuff of 2012, similar to Paul 2012 (placing his candidacy within the context of the campaign) v. Paul 2008 (obsessed with Ron's standard issues)

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http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/gary-johnson-the-third-party-candidate?currentPage=all

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He also contributed to the development of a strain-specific edible lozenge that he said “is as good a marijuana high that exists on the planet.” How did he know? “As C.E.O., I did some testing,” he said. “Nothing was better.”

“So, if someone wanted to try that strain, how would they acquire it?” I asked.

“Legally, they couldn’t,” Johnson said.

“What about illegally?”

“Well, I’d probably be able to connect you up illegally.”

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“Thirty per cent of Republican voters out there right now believe the scourge of the earth is Mexican immigration,” he told me. “You go to these Party events in New Hampshire and in Iowa, and they set the criteria for the entire nation. It’s profound. You can’t get beyond those two states, because you have to go out and appeal to anti-gay, anti-abortion, anti-drugs, anti-immigration—and I’m crossways on all of those. I’d argue I’m the pragmatist in the room, but you can’t get past those groups, especially in those two states.”

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Bill Clinton nominated Weld to be the U.S. Ambassador to Mexico, and Weld resigned as governor to take the job. But Jesse Helms, a Republican senator from North Carolina, who chaired the Foreign Relations Committee, blocked the nomination. As Weld recalled it, Helms claimed that Weld was “soft on drugs and we couldn’t afford to have me in Mexico.”

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Weld spent several years running the Criminal Division in the Justice Department during the Reagan Administration, and delegates asked him a series of hostile questions about his prosecutorial record. As Weld told me, much of what he did at Justice was not “calculated to warm the cockles of the Libertarian heart.” Other delegates objected to the fact that Weld’s wife’s great-uncle, Kermit Roosevelt, was the C.I.A. agent who led the American-backed coup in Iran, in 1953. “Kind of before my time,” Weld said, laughing.

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Johnson thinks that the Pauls were poor advocates for the libertarian cause. “Rand actually ran as a Republican,” Johnson said of the younger Paul’s failed campaign this year. “He was talking about building a fence across the border. He was a social conservative, and he was wearing it on his sleeve—build a fence, crack down on the illegal immigrants that are here. Man! And Ron did the same thing.”

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But Johnson isn’t reflexively against all government. He supports the Environmental Protection Agency, arguing that policing polluters is a proper function of the government. As governor of New Mexico, he aggressively used the power of the state to force Molycorp, a large mining corporation, to clean up a contaminated site. He eventually allowed the E.P.A. to declare the area a Superfund site, turning the issue over to the federal government, which had more resources to go after the company. “The government exists to protect us from harm, and that pollution is harm,” Johnson said. “Libertarians would say, ‘You and I have the ability to sue Molycorp. We can bring them to bear from a private standpoint.’ But the reality? You can’t.”

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Bill Kristol, the editor of The Weekly Standard, said he thought that Weld should be the Presidential candidate. “Weld-Johnson would be a much stronger ticket, and would have a shot to get to fifteen per cent,” Kristol told me. “And Weld on the debate stage taking on Trump and Clinton could be formidable.” Mitt Romney, the most high-profile anti-Trump Republican, said something similar to CNN in June, but he added that he was open to backing Johnson. “If Bill Weld were at the top of the ticket, it would be very easy for me to vote for Bill Weld for President,” Romney said. “So I’ll get to know Gary Johnson better and see if he’s someone who I could end up voting for.” Tim Miller, a former spokesman for Jeb Bush who now works for an anti-Trump super pac, said of Johnson, “Picking Bill Weld was smart, but he needs to carry himself like someone who could seriously be President.” Still, Miller added that at this point he was inclined to vote for Johnson.

Johnson is a big government sellout and notice that Weld didn't actually answer about the CIA coup in Iran.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2016, 09:53:50 AM

holy crap, i hadn't watched rudy :rofl

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3ixJIuBzWg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2016, 09:58:28 AM

BENGAJIZZEEEE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ww2qbEddw-w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSmiHgD7XSY

i shouldn't have skipped the first night  :gun :punch

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Brehvolution on July 20, 2016, 10:05:31 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 20, 2016, 09:53:50 AM

holy crap, i hadn't watched rudy :rofl

Something something radical islam we are coming for you!*

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Well not me or anyone at this convention.... can you blame us though. We have these cushy lives and we wouldn't want to put that in harms way.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2016, 12:37:06 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/magazine/how-donald-trump-picked-his-running-mate.html?_r=0

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One day this past May, Donald Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., reached out to a senior adviser to Gov. John Kasich of Ohio, who left the presidential race just a few weeks before. As a candidate, Kasich declared in March that Trump was “really not prepared to be president of the United States,” and the following month he took the highly unusual step of coordinating with his rival Senator Ted Cruz in an effort to deny Trump the nomination. But according to the Kasich adviser (who spoke only under the condition that he not be named), Donald Jr. wanted to make him an offer nonetheless: Did he have any interest in being the most powerful vice president in history?

When Kasich’s adviser asked how this would be the case, Donald Jr. explained that his father’s vice president would be in charge of domestic and foreign policy.

Then what, the adviser asked, would Trump be in charge of?

“Making America great again” was the casual reply.

I want to believe that this is true. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2016, 01:22:30 PM

I actually think this is incredibly plausible. Trump is unlikely to have the patience or the interest to actually get into the details of what running a country actually entails, so instead he'll be the figurehead who talks tough and gets crowds whipped up into a frenzy while the Veep does the actual work.

Trump's Razor tells us this is the most likely answer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: brob on July 20, 2016, 03:58:31 PM

sarah kendzior wrote about that some time ago, guessing trump would pick gingrich (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/why-gingrich-may-be-trumps-running-mate/article30253397/), but was otherwise on point regarding trump's interest in the day-to-day work of the presidency.

Quote from: sarah kendzior

What is most likely, Mr. Manafort all but confirms, is that Mr. Trump would be deeply bored.

[...]
But his boredom can be assuaged – and that is why the vice-presidential candidate is so important. Exit the showman, enter the wonk. The United States is not only on the verge of electing a master con artist as president, but a con artist backed by a shadow government that may wield more pragmatic power than the president.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2016, 04:10:39 PM

I'm looking forward to Ted "Trump Called My Wife Ugly and Said My Dad Killed JFK" Cruz's speech tonight. He's a smart politician and he's banking on 2020, so he'll probably just give a boring Anti-Hillary, Pro-Conservative Values speech with a few vague gestures towards supporting the candidate and unifying the party. But I'd love to see Lyin' Ted grovel and scrape before The Donald instead like Chris Christie, or just totally snap onstage and go apeshit on Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: studyguy on July 20, 2016, 04:39:33 PM

Is Ted Cruz's endorsement something like a hate fuck with an angry ex?
I don't see how a man can stomach getting called an adulterous zodiac killer whose dad has ties to JFK's murder yet still be ready to give the party a handy. Fuck even milquetoast Jeb and boring ass Kasich didn't bend over this easy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: thisismyusername on July 20, 2016, 04:41:35 PM

(https://scontent-iad3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13690727_10208590570633456_8663156926472854989_n.jpg?oh=4e614daf40ac1a837d9e0fd782e00d47&oe=57EAA50B)

:kermiT

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 20, 2016, 05:33:55 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2016, 01:22:30 PM

I actually think this is incredibly plausible. Trump is unlikely to have the patience or the interest to actually get into the details of what running a country actually entails, so instead he'll be the figurehead who talks tough and gets crowds whipped up into a frenzy while the Veep does the actual work.

Trump's Razor tells us this is the most likely answer.

100% plausible yeah, Trump is a standard issue vanity candidate running a vanity campaign.

Republicans just happened to nominate him  :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Kara on July 20, 2016, 05:34:29 PM

The Fifth Circuit ruling against Texas' voter ID law. :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 20, 2016, 05:40:10 PM

https://twitter.com/ThisWeekABC/status/755769896705732610

whewww

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 20, 2016, 05:45:18 PM

jesus

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 20, 2016, 05:46:07 PM

So the only trans person I know in real life has mentioned that she actually doesn't feel very comfortable in the trans community because she tends to have more conservative views. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Atramental on July 20, 2016, 05:47:39 PM

Buckle up buckaroo. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 20, 2016, 06:03:56 PM

I was listening to Sean Hannity's radio show and he has a caller bring up BLM/cop violence and Hannity tries to explain how "no one talks about" violence when it doesn't directly involve police.

SH: Listen, Derick, you're from Detroit. You can name Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, etc. Can you name one person out of the 3700 killed in Chicago in the same time span?

Derick: I have two cousins who were murdered in Chicago.

SH: Well that's personal so that doesn't really count. Can you name anyone else?

Derick: No.

SH: See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: brawndolicious on July 20, 2016, 06:18:04 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on July 20, 2016, 06:03:56 PM

I was listening to Sean Hannity's radio show and he has a caller bring up BLM/cop violence and Hannity tries to explain how "no one talks about" violence when it doesn't directly involve police.

SH: Listen, Derick, you're from Detroit. You can name Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Alton Sterling, etc. Can you name one person out of the 3700 killed in Chicago in the same time span?

Derick: I have two cousins who were murdered in Chicago.

SH: Well that's personal so that doesn't really count. Can you name anyone else?

Derick: No.

SH: See, this is exactly what I'm talking about.

:neogaf

Wut

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 20, 2016, 06:34:31 PM

Now that Trump has been confirmed to be the nominee, let us take a minute or two to bask in this genius' greatness.  Let his greatness wash over you :aah

(https://i.sli.mg/JL6QBJ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 20, 2016, 06:40:59 PM

I don't think anyone could have predicted this though

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mandark on July 20, 2016, 06:43:51 PM

I know that pretending to care about stuff to rhetorically buttress one's politics is an Everybody Does It thing, but "what about black on black violence?" is a particularly disingenuous and morally grody example.

White people bringing it up in the context of a discussion of police violence are never, never, never doing so because they actually give a shit about the victims or the affected communities in such cases.  They are not searching for ways to alleviate the problem, they are not offering their help or even their sympathy.  The entire point is to blame all the suffering of black people on their own moral deficiencies and dismiss any complaints about treatment by the police (and by proxy the white majority) as distractions and reverse racism, possibly stirred up by outsiders and opportunists.

Concern trolling should be old news to me by now, but it rustles me when I bother to think about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2016, 08:14:06 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBQ7Rm6mXtw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2016, 09:22:01 PM

Quote from: Kara on July 20, 2016, 12:21:44 AM

Ha ha unironic antisemitism.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Hlvh1us2dpuNglO/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 20, 2016, 10:02:26 PM

Ted Cruz got booed at the end of his speech lol.

I think he was banking on being the Ronald Reagan at the 76 RNC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Republican_National_Convention#Reagan.27s_concession_speech).  Didn't quite happen that way.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2016, 10:03:37 PM

Probably banking on most of the people that signed the Donald Trump suicide pact being dead by 2020.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 20, 2016, 10:39:43 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 20, 2016, 10:02:26 PM

Ted Cruz got booed at the end of his speech lol.

I think he was banking on being the Ronald Reagan at the 76 RNC (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_Republican_National_Convention#Reagan.27s_concession_speech).  Didn't quite happen that way.

He also got upstaged at the end by Trump entering the arena:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MHDSBvI7J4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 20, 2016, 10:48:42 PM

Trump playing the Overwatch to Cruz's Battleborn :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Syph on July 21, 2016, 12:02:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythfH1KhNKU

only 7 mins in and it's pretty good
cruz is too far to the right for me but it's clear he's trying to have his obama moment

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2016, 12:03:09 AM

Quote from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-us-wouldnt-necessarily-defend-nato-co/

In an interview with the New York Times, Mr. Trump essentially said the U.S. would not abide by the military alliance, one provision of which declares an attack on one to be an attack on all.

He was asked specifically about the possibility of Russian aggression in the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, former Soviet republics that already have had their independence snuffed out by a Kremlin invasion once before, in 1940.

“Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations ‘have fulfilled their obligations to us,’” the Times wrote.

Just in case you were thinking that Trump might take a hard line against Russian aggression.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Syph on July 21, 2016, 12:23:07 AM

never heard of this Laura Ingraham chick but she went off eh
...and then basically threw up the nazi salute  :holeup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2016, 12:27:42 AM

Laura Ingraham is Sean Hannity/Rush Limbaugh in a dress.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Trent Dole on July 21, 2016, 02:31:04 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 20, 2016, 09:22:01 PM

Quote from: Kara on July 20, 2016, 12:21:44 AM

Ha ha unironic antisemitism.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l0Hlvh1us2dpuNglO/giphy.gif)

Not sure if :hitler or just distinguished mentally-challenged  :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2016, 03:02:46 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2016, 12:03:09 AM

Quote from: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/20/donald-trump-us-wouldnt-necessarily-defend-nato-co/

In an interview with the New York Times, Mr. Trump essentially said the U.S. would not abide by the military alliance, one provision of which declares an attack on one to be an attack on all.

He was asked specifically about the possibility of Russian aggression in the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia, former Soviet republics that already have had their independence snuffed out by a Kremlin invasion once before, in 1940.

“Mr. Trump said that if Russia attacked them, he would decide whether to come to their aid only after reviewing whether those nations ‘have fulfilled their obligations to us,’” the Times wrote.

Just in case you were thinking that Trump might take a hard line against Russian aggression.

:mindblown
NATO is actually one of the holiest pacts of all

EDIT : Oh god their faces...

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: chronovore on July 21, 2016, 06:43:10 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrH6Q3lOcEQ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 10:53:50 AM

gotta give daps to Cruz. Jeb Bush is hiding at home, Paul Ryan endorsed Trump like a bitchboy, Christie debased himself...and Cruz went into enemy territory to diss Herr Fuhrer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Brehvolution on July 21, 2016, 11:46:46 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/20/politics/ted-cruz-republican-convention-moment/

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Cruz's rebuke ignited a hot scene around the senator as soon as he left the stage. People averted their eyes from Cruz and his wife as they walked with their security detail on the skybox level of boisterous Republicans.
On the donor suite level, people approached Cruz and insulted him, a source told CNN's Dana Bash. One state party chairman reacted so angrily that he had to be restrained.
Cruz, who has long sought the support of GOP megadonor Sheldon Adelson, was turned away when he tried to enter Adelson's suite.

 :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 01:44:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U95gBN0Rb5I

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 01:45:07 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438159/i-choose-ted

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 21, 2016, 01:54:10 PM

Bush apparently worried he'll be the last republican president. LOL.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2016, 01:55:24 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 01:45:07 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/438159/i-choose-ted

Be a member of the Republican intelligentsia, brehs.  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/CFrmeWS.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Dennis on July 21, 2016, 02:49:15 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 01:44:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U95gBN0Rb5I

lol the KFC one. So problematic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2016, 04:10:55 PM

So, Paul Manafort, the guy who's running Trump's campaign. I never really gave him much thought before, but then I decided on a whim to look up what he's been involved with in the past.

Quote

In 1985, Manafort accepted $600,000 yearly from Jonas Savimbi, the leader of the Angolan rebel group UNITA, to refurbish his image in Washington and secure financial support on the basis of his anti-communism. Throwing events at the American Enterprise Institute, the Heritage Foundation and Freedom House, Savimbi was praised as a freedom fighter by Jeane Kirkpatrick, and went on to receive hundreds of millions of dollars in American aid. Allegedly, Manafort's continuing lobbying efforts helped preserve the flow of money to Savimbi several years after the Soviet Union ceased its involvement in the Angolan conflict, forestalling peace talks.

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Manafort accepted $900,000 yearly to lobby for Ferdinand Marcos. He was also involved in lobbying for Siad Barre of Somalia, and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaïre. His firm also lobbied on behalf of the governments of the Dominican Republic, Equatorial Guinea, Kenya (between $660-750,000 yearly 1991 and 1993), and Nigeria ($1 million in 1991). These activities led Manafort's firm to be listed amongst the top five lobbying firms receiving money from human-rights abusing regimes in the report "The Torturer's Lobby."

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Manafort wrote the campaign strategy for Edouard Balladur in the 1995 elections, and admitted to having been paid under the table (at least $200,000). The money was transferred to him through his friend, Lebanese arms-dealer Abdul Rahman al-Assir, from middle-men fees paid for arranging the sale of three French Agosta-class submarines to Pakistan, in a scandal known as the Karachi Affair.

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Manafort received $700,000 from the Kashmiri American Council between 1990 and 1994, supposedly to promote the plight of the Kashmiri people. However, an FBI investigation revealed the money was actually from Pakistan's Inter-Service Intelligence agency as part of a "false flag" operation to divert attention from terrorism. A former Pakistani ISI official claimed Manafort was aware of the nature of the operation. While producing a documentary as part of the deal, Manafort interviewed several Indian officials while pretending to be a CNN reporter

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He also worked as an adviser on the Ukrainian presidential campaign of Viktor Yanukovych (and his Party of Regions during the same time span) from December 2004 until the February 2010 Ukrainian presidential election even as the U.S. government (and McCain) opposed Yanukovych because of his ties to Russia's Vladimir Putin. Manafort was hired to advise Yanukovych months after massive street demonstrations known as the Orange Revolution overturned Yanukovych's victory in the 2004 presidential race. Borys Kolesnikov, Yanukovich’s campaign manager, said the party hired Manafort after identifying organizational and other problems in the 2004 elections, in which it was advised by Russian strategists. Manafort rebuffed U.S. Ambassador William Taylor when the latter complained he was undermining U.S. interests in Ukraine. According to a 2008 U.S. Justice Department annual report, Manafort’s company received $63,750 from Yanukovych's Party of Regions over a six-month period ending on March 31, 2008, for consulting services. In 2010, under Manafort's tutelage, the opposition leader put the Orange Revolution on trial, campaigning against its leaders' management of a weak economy. Returns from the presidential election gave Yanukovych a narrow win over Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko, a leader of the 2004 demonstrations. Yanukovych owed his comeback in Ukraine's presidential election to a drastic makeover of his political persona and, people in his party say, that makeover was engineered in part by his American consultant, Manafort.

 :holeup :kobeyuck :mindblown :dayum :what :crazy :cac :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 04:38:10 PM

@DouthatNYT
If the draft I'm seeing is right, the speech is basically Buchananism without religion.

whewwww  :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2016, 05:02:46 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on July 19, 2016, 04:57:11 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/roger-ailes-out-fox-news-drudge

(http://i.imgur.com/YZBwplS.gif)

Bye Felicia.

And now it's official:

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2016/07/roger-ailes-has-resigned-fox-news

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 21, 2016, 05:29:04 PM

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Manafort wrote the campaign strategy for Edouard Balladur in the 1995 elections

Wow, what a winner.
(I'll sleep a little safer tonight.)

(http://www.pariszigzag.fr/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/balladur-metro.png)
"- So what did you think of the Paris subway ?
- It's hot in here."

By far the limpiest major candidate to the French presidency in my lifetime.
His campaign funding was indeed pretty legendary. Party interns going to the bank with black trashbags full of cash and fat notes, allegedly from selling campaign t-shirts and gadgets during summer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 21, 2016, 06:58:01 PM

manafort more like mana fortress amirite? final day: Trump incarnates into Dark Lich; Mana Beast attacks!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: brob on July 21, 2016, 07:05:46 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn7G3VNWAAUDvqR.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Dickie Dee on July 21, 2016, 07:52:02 PM

Can't even hide the joy even while playing like this is the first time he's been nestled in with some dude whose back has been Dick'd on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 08:22:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zcpTlHuxSI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: brob on July 21, 2016, 08:31:47 PM

tbh alex jones is consistently producing the most worthwhile #content from this shitpit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/756260691707826180

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mr. Nobody on July 21, 2016, 09:14:31 PM

Quote from: Dennis on July 21, 2016, 02:49:15 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 01:44:57 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U95gBN0Rb5I

lol the KFC one. So problematic.

I'm dying

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 21, 2016, 09:29:06 PM

this is some comic book movie villain shit, jesus christ. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/21/full-text-donald-trumps-prepared-remarks-accepting-the-republican-nomination/#annotations:10133213)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2016, 09:35:17 PM

Pinboard ‏@Pinboard  3m3 minutes ago
Some bald dude now saying “I feel like the anchovy on Ivanka’s ceasar salad”. I think the drugs are kicking in

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: sarslip on July 21, 2016, 09:42:22 PM

Lookin good David Brooks, luuukin, guud.

(http://i.imgur.com/y1HsZ2L.jpg?1)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 09:54:41 PM

Quote from: brob on July 21, 2016, 08:31:47 PM

tbh alex jones is consistently producing the most worthwhile #content from this shitpit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/756260691707826180

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/senate-races/288719-roger-stone-alex-jones-plot-primary-challenge-to-cruz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 09:59:33 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12218136/donald-trump-nomination-afraid

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by Ezra Klein on July 21, 2016, 1:20 p.m. ET @ezraklein

Tonight, Donald J. Trump will accept the Republican Party’s nomination for president of the United States. And I am, for the first time since I began covering American politics, genuinely afraid.

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The simple fact of it is that Donald Trump should not be president of the United States. That is not because he is too conservative, as some Democrats would have it, or because he is not conservative enough, as many Republicans would have it. It’s because the presidency is a powerful job where mistakes can kill millions, and whoever holds it needs to take that power seriously and wield it responsibly. Trump has had ample opportunity to demonstrate his sense of seriousness and responsibility. He has failed.

It is said that the benefit of America’s long presidential campaigns is they offer the candidates time to show us who they really are. Trump has shown us who he really is. He is a person who should not be president. That he is being brought this close to the presidency — that he is one major mistake by Hillary Clinton away from winning it — should scare us all. It certainly scares me.

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 21, 2016, 10:02:54 PM

-Peter Thiel said that he was 'proud to be gay' on the stage of the RNC (while decrying the 'false culture wars' and handwaving transgendered discrimination laws, but still) and got applause.

-Donald Trump's acceptance speech is entirely secular. That is, if he's got the moxie to go ahead with his now fully leaked speech of if he'll wing it and get back to his normal level of self-aggrandizement. But still, he's not kissing the ring of the religious right and has continued to barely try.

I'll take my W's where I can get them in this shitshow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 10:05:41 PM

Ivanka
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 10:07:03 PM

ivanka :drool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2016, 10:13:17 PM

Make waifus great again! :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 10:14:04 PM

why is Ivanka being divisive and discussing the wage gap. Doesn't she know we aren't male or female, we're American?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2016, 10:14:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 10:14:04 PM

why is Ivanka being divisive and discussing the wage gap. Doesn't she know we aren't male or female, we're American?

The Donald is color blind and gender neutral.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 21, 2016, 10:16:57 PM

she is so much better at this then her old man.

also, re, her claims of pay equality in the Trump Company, that may very well be true, but its not how he's running his campaign. (http://"http://www.cbsnews.com/news/report-trump-camp-pays-female-staff-35-percent-less-than-men/")

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 10:38:35 PM

Trump and Hillary kinda have the same problem in that THEIR ONLY FORM OF EMPHASIS IS TO GET LOUDER AND LOUDER

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 10:44:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 10:38:35 PM

Trump and Hillary kinda have the same problem in that THEIR ONLY FORM OF EMPHASIS IS TO GET LOUDER AND LOUDER

stop being sexist.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 10:46:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=700c6yLgZmI

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“I think what people saw last night is what we have seen in the Senate. No matter how conservative you are, you never can meet Ted’s standard,” Coats told IndyStar. “He only thinks of himself, he doesn’t think about party. He’s a wrecking ball.”

But Coats, who is finishing his final term as Indiana’s senior senator, was only warming up.

“He’s the most self-centered, narcissistic, pathological liar I’ve ever seen — and you can quote me on that,” he said.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYvt2KhhsPY

 :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 10:52:47 PM

Donald Trump promises to be the 24/7 re-runs on TNT candidate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2016, 10:52:53 PM

Trump channeling Judge Dredd on stage. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 10:56:01 PM

Stallone or Urban?  ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2016, 10:58:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 10:56:01 PM

Stallone or Urban?  ???

I AM THE LAW.....


....and order candidate!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 11:02:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Qsfcryz.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2016, 11:03:05 PM

jesus

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I will enjoy the porn parody. 

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 21, 2016, 11:03:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 11:02:36 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Qsfcryz.gif)

 :oreilly

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: thisismyusername on July 21, 2016, 11:13:28 PM

https://imgur.com/gallery/nw9TX

Oh Jesus Christ. :lol I want Bill to do these. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2016, 11:33:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/5Fnm7NI.png)

oof

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 21, 2016, 11:37:06 PM

That was legitimately terrifying

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 21, 2016, 11:40:32 PM

Surprised he gave the worst prime time speech of the convention. Yikes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 11:47:05 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/LGxluLL.jpg)

video:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ln3wAdRAim4

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2016, 11:47:12 PM

"It's midnight in America"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2016, 11:51:13 PM

only on the east coast.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 21, 2016, 11:53:31 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 21, 2016, 11:51:13 PM

only on the east coast.

I would insult you, but the very real possibility exists that I'll need to move into your sex torture dungeon in November, so I'ma refrain

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 21, 2016, 11:59:42 PM

its always midnight in the dungeon. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: El Babua on July 22, 2016, 12:02:31 AM

Quote from: brob on July 21, 2016, 08:31:47 PM

tbh alex jones is consistently producing the most worthwhile #content from this shitpit

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/756260691707826180

Very true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4pX53AqpUs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 12:03:39 AM

I just realized...Hillary's VP announcement is in Florida.

It's Jeb!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's Charlie Crist!

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2016, 12:09:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 12:03:39 AM

I just realized...Hillary's VP announcement is in Florida.

It's Jeb!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

It's Charlie Crist!

[close]

What difference, at this point, does it make?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 12:18:14 AM

Hillary!/Jeb! will campaign on attacking Donald Trump for saying Iraq was a mistake and George W. Bush didn't keep us safe.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 12:42:25 AM

alex jones just loving it and acting like a fight promoter :rofl

he actually seemed to be a bit regretful about interrupting to that extent and about to apologize when that lady in red started yelling at him and then cenk went crazy

alex jones' girl yelling "keep making more excuses for terrorists!" from the hallway :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Atramental on July 22, 2016, 12:45:21 AM

(If it wasn't already before) American politics is essentially pro wrestling now.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 12:48:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aG86XtPkJTY

 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2016, 12:49:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 12:42:25 AM

he actually seemed to be a bit regretful about interrupting to that extent and about to apologize when that lady in red started yelling at him and then cenk went crazy

That's Ana. She's cool.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 12:54:03 AM

Alex Jones won E3 RNC

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2016, 12:59:49 AM

https://youtu.be/tUOJLOlVBGc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 01:09:13 AM

black guy for gary johnson :aah

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvdOfOB6vts

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 01:26:45 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 09:59:33 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12218136/donald-trump-nomination-afraid

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by Ezra Klein on July 21, 2016, 1:20 p.m. ET @ezraklein

Tonight, Donald J. Trump will accept the Republican Party’s nomination for president of the United States. And I am, for the first time since I began covering American politics, genuinely afraid.

Quote

The simple fact of it is that Donald Trump should not be president of the United States. That is not because he is too conservative, as some Democrats would have it, or because he is not conservative enough, as many Republicans would have it. It’s because the presidency is a powerful job where mistakes can kill millions, and whoever holds it needs to take that power seriously and wield it responsibly. Trump has had ample opportunity to demonstrate his sense of seriousness and responsibility. He has failed.

It is said that the benefit of America’s long presidential campaigns is they offer the candidates time to show us who they really are. Trump has shown us who he really is. He is a person who should not be president. That he is being brought this close to the presidency — that he is one major mistake by Hillary Clinton away from winning it — should scare us all. It certainly scares me.

:doge

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12253638/republican-convention-trump-speech

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Donald Trump doesn’t want to make America great. He wants to make it afraid.
Updated by Ezra Klein on July 21, 2016, 11:54 p.m. ET @ezraklein

Speech was a success before it was made!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2016, 02:02:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 01:26:45 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 21, 2016, 09:59:33 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12218136/donald-trump-nomination-afraid

Quote

by Ezra Klein on July 21, 2016, 1:20 p.m. ET @ezraklein

Tonight, Donald J. Trump will accept the Republican Party’s nomination for president of the United States. And I am, for the first time since I began covering American politics, genuinely afraid.

Quote

The simple fact of it is that Donald Trump should not be president of the United States. That is not because he is too conservative, as some Democrats would have it, or because he is not conservative enough, as many Republicans would have it. It’s because the presidency is a powerful job where mistakes can kill millions, and whoever holds it needs to take that power seriously and wield it responsibly. Trump has had ample opportunity to demonstrate his sense of seriousness and responsibility. He has failed.

It is said that the benefit of America’s long presidential campaigns is they offer the candidates time to show us who they really are. Trump has shown us who he really is. He is a person who should not be president. That he is being brought this close to the presidency — that he is one major mistake by Hillary Clinton away from winning it — should scare us all. It certainly scares me.

:doge

http://www.vox.com/2016/7/21/12253638/republican-convention-trump-speech

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Donald Trump doesn’t want to make America great. He wants to make it afraid.
Updated by Ezra Klein on July 21, 2016, 11:54 p.m. ET @ezraklein

Speech was a success before it was made!

Trump's America...
(http://i.imgur.com/QkhlcLn.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 02:09:48 AM

https://www.thenationwineclub.com/launch/index.cfm?src=natlaunch

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 02:11:18 AM

Quote

Select to receive a Mixed selection (as shown in the photo), an All Reds selection or All Whites.

What true progressive reader of The Nation would select any Whites?!?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 22, 2016, 07:06:05 AM

http://www.cleveland.com/rnc-2016/index.ssf/2016/07/names_charges_of_rnc_arrests_r.html#incart_river_mobile_home_pop

1) I'm proud of Cleveland. Once again we handled ourselves like the Champions we are. No riot related shootings, no heinous cop assaults, no cops assaulting protestor....so proud

2) These funded liberal protestors are so fucking evident. Look where these people who got arrested are from. Thanks Clintons. That shit has to stop. Also do none of these fucks have a job?

Also I hate Cruz but I commend him for standing up for himself and continuing to go in on Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 22, 2016, 07:20:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNiqpBNE9ik

I never knew how much I missed Jon Stewart going in on Fox News until now.

:preach

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Roger Allies is probably going to get a cushy "Out of sight" position in Newscorp like Rebekah Brooks did, though :goty2

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2016, 08:34:27 AM

I read somewhere that Trump has been thinking about funding his own cable/online news source. He's buddies with Ailes so it would make sense to get him on board.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 08:59:06 AM

They're paying Ailes to go away because he started stirring shit:

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Mr. Murdoch had barred him from the building starting on Wednesday, according to one person briefed on the matter. The person said Fox News’s parent company, 21st Century Fox, had learned Mr. Ailes was trying to get some of his on-air stars to criticize those who cooperated with investigators looking into accusations of sexual harassment against him.

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Mr. Ailes will walk away with about $40 million as part of a settlement agreement, according to two people briefed on the matter, which essentially amounts to the remainder of his existing employment contract through 2018. As part of the agreement, Mr. Ailes cannot start a competitor to Fox News.

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The campaign to rally support for Mr. Ailes ultimately became a problem for him. It included declarations casting doubt on Ms. Carlson’s charges from hosts including Greta Van Susteren, Jeanine Pirro and Neil Cavuto, who in an op-ed described the accusations as “sick.”

Several female staff members had said on Wednesday that they feared that campaign was making younger female staff members with their own stories to tell too frightened to speak with investigators — something the investigators feared as well, people briefed on their inquiry said this week.

A friend of Ms. Kelly, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said that Ms. Kelly resisted pressure to support Mr. Ailes, and cooperated with the investigation so that those other staff members would “feel more comfortable coming forward to tell the truth.” Ms. Kelly has not spoken publicly about the matter.

On Thursday night, Kirsten Powers, a Fox contributor for 11 years, said: “While I understand loyalty, I was disappointed that so many senior members of Fox’s on-air team rushed to defend Roger in a way that seemed to prejudge an investigation into sexual harassment. I would hope that in 2016 people would know that just because you weren’t harassed, or didn’t witness harassment by a certain man, that doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.”

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Mr. Baier and his fellow Fox anchors Brit Hume and Ms. Van Susteren declined to say definitively whether they would remain at Fox, although Mr. Baier, after some hesitation, said: “I couldn’t be happier.” Several of the network’s most recognizable faces — including Bill O’Reilly, Ms. Kelly and Mr. Baier — are known to have contract clauses that allow them to leave the network if Mr. Ailes is not in charge.

I found this one of the more interesting parts of the story:

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A copy of the letter was provided by Mr. Ailes’s lawyer, Susan Estrich. She did not respond to further requests for comment.

She was a regular Democrat on Fox News for as long as I remember.

But she'll always be Dukakis' incompetent campaign manager to me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 22, 2016, 09:03:13 AM

I wonder to what level he actually sexually harassed that reporter versus what she's being told to do by the Murdochs. Interesting developments though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 22, 2016, 10:27:02 AM

(https://i.sli.mg/DIzrbc.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 22, 2016, 10:33:17 AM

Yeah despite constant media gibbering, it was pretty stable.  Cenk Uygur vs. Alex Jones was the highlight: two has beens/never wases fighting for our amusement.  I'm sure this will lead to their inevitable collaboration and eventually new episodes of The Young Turks can be found on prisonplanet.com

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2016, 11:28:25 AM

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/756510335016833025

jesus fucking christ. what a small man

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 22, 2016, 11:58:10 AM

its almost like I can see Mike Pence's thoughts like he's in a comic book.

"For God's sake Don, let it go already."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2016, 12:22:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJ97gEFBH5k

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 22, 2016, 12:38:49 PM

Hell, why not? Time is ripe for a return to white supermacy in politics

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 22, 2016, 12:40:58 PM

The return, yes. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 22, 2016, 01:06:40 PM

My bad. I left out the word "blatantly overt"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Steve Contra on July 22, 2016, 01:19:58 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 22, 2016, 09:03:13 AM

I wonder to what level he actually sexually harassed that reporter versus what she's being told to do by the Murdochs. Interesting developments though.

Rumors of Roger Ailes sexually harassing women has been around for a long time.  There's no reason to believe it's being orchestrated by the Murdochs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2016, 01:57:17 PM

It's been an open secret for a really long time, it's just that this lawsuit happened to blow the whole thing wide open. Certainly didn't help that Megyn Kelly [who's currently employed at Fox] was willing to confirm pretty much everything in the lawsuit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2016, 02:58:43 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 22, 2016, 09:03:13 AM

I wonder to what level he actually sexually harassed that reporter versus what she's being told to do by the Murdochs. Interesting developments though.

(http://i.imgur.com/uPlgOLC.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2016, 03:00:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/gQqeS9d.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 22, 2016, 03:08:27 PM

Omfg :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: thisismyusername on July 22, 2016, 03:15:37 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=210988494&postcount=14

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o6gb36N0a66kt1fNu/giphy.gif)

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2016, 03:31:41 PM

Mark Cuban dun like it, no sir.

(http://i.imgur.com/mHQF07K.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 22, 2016, 04:02:58 PM

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

The Democrats must have absolutely no security on their servers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Mandark on July 22, 2016, 05:49:20 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 22, 2016, 01:19:58 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 22, 2016, 09:03:13 AM

I wonder to what level he actually sexually harassed that reporter versus what she's being told to do by the Murdochs. Interesting developments though.

Rumors of Roger Ailes sexually harassing women has been around for a long time.  There's no reason to believe it's being orchestrated by the Murdochs.

Plus at this point "that reporter" is at least a dozen women, no?

Shit, was there ever a more likely candidate to be a serial sexual harasser?  Old ugly white millionaire in a position of power whose media company had such a clear in-house aesthetic for its female talent that "Fox News blonde" has been a running gag for over a decade.  Biggest shock since Donald Sterling was caught on tape being a racist shitbag.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2016, 05:51:39 PM

Quote

The unauthorized use of #HereComestheSun at the #RNCinCLE is offensive & against the wishes of the George Harrison estate.

— George Harrison (@GeorgeHarrison) July 22, 2016

Quote

If it had been Beware of Darkness, then we MAY have approved it! #TrumpYourself

— George Harrison (@GeorgeHarrison) July 22, 2016

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2016, 06:01:04 PM

Ailes is leaving with a few dozens millions too right ? Only good thing is that he has been removed from his preying area...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 22, 2016, 06:02:59 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on July 22, 2016, 06:01:04 PM

Ailes is leaving with a few dozens millions too right ? Only good thing is that he has been removed from his preying area...

The lawsuit is still going forward, though, so hopefully he'll live long enough to see that $40 million [and then some] get taken away and paid out to his victims.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2016, 07:31:29 PM

https://twitter.com/MartinShkreli/status/756616252085370882
GOAT troll

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2016, 08:32:08 PM

Hillary picked Herman Kaine to be her VP. I hope they can bond over their shared love of Sim City.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 08:34:46 PM

AiA just lookin out for his fellow creepy conservative geezers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 08:38:54 PM

(http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/Screen-Shot-2016-07-22-at-12.47.34-PM.png)

Quote

From:MARSHALL@dnc.org
To: MirandaL@dnc.org, PaustenbachM@dnc.org, DaceyA@dnc.org
Date: 2016-05-05 03:31
Subject: No shit
It might may no difference, but for KY and WVA can we get someone to ask his belief. Does he believe in a God. He had skated on saying he has a Jewish heritage. I think I read he is an atheist. This could make several points difference with my peeps. My Southern Baptist peeps would draw a big difference between a Jew and an atheist.

This exposes the whole plot! Bernie is sure to win it now at the convention ballot! Real democrats won't stand for this unprecedented underhand style of politics.

EDIT: Whoops, this isn't my HA Goodman twitter account.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: VomKriege on July 22, 2016, 08:53:20 PM

Bernie Never Conceded, Only Endorsed. WikiLeaks Proves Bernie Must Stay In the Race

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 22, 2016, 09:18:03 PM

Kaine is so boring g

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Sausage on July 22, 2016, 09:20:23 PM

So boring and wants to invade Syria

http://www.vox.com/2015/11/23/9780136/isis-tim-kaine-interview

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 22, 2016, 09:26:33 PM

My :hans1 theory: Hillary rushed out a VP pick to cover up the leaked e-mails

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/22/wikileaks-dumps-dnc-emails/

Also some good old fashioned Nixonian ratfucking:

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

I think with this I've decided to not vote for Hillary.  I guess it will be the Greens or nothing.  Both parties are miserable dumpster fires.  I can't stand either the Democrats or the Republicans anymore.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 09:28:20 PM

As long as all the offensive shit is verbatim I’m fine with it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 22, 2016, 09:34:20 PM

Everyone knew to expect that she'd announce her Veep pick today. Nothing about this was a surprise, not even that she'd pick a boring old white guy to be her running mate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: brob on July 22, 2016, 09:34:51 PM

please, it's 2016 not even content mills manage to get hyped about wikileaks popping off ::)

clinton is just a boring centrist and picked a boring centrist vp from a swing state on some safe tried-n-tru realpolitik shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: El Babua on July 22, 2016, 09:38:08 PM

Just think, in around 2 elections from now, people will dig up forum posts from presidential ticket candidates. :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 22, 2016, 09:58:38 PM

How do I get the Wayback Machine to scrub a short few months period of tepid support of Bush as least of two evils on a defunct NBA forum from their database?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 22, 2016, 09:59:42 PM

Booker 2024

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 22, 2016, 10:06:42 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 22, 2016, 09:26:33 PM

My :hans1 theory: Hillary rushed out a VP pick to cover up the leaked e-mails

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/22/wikileaks-dumps-dnc-emails/

Also some good old fashioned Nixonian ratfucking:

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

I think with this I've decided to not vote for Hillary.  I guess it will be the Greens or nothing.  Both parties are miserable dumpster fires.  I can't stand either the Democrats or the Republicans anymore.

But...it was planned for today...days ago. Nobody gave a shit about the last email dump and the same applies here. Although it's crazy looking through the curtain on this shit. This is where bullshit narratives come from. This is where Talking Points Memo and other sites get various scoops or "you should focus on this" stories. Yikes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 22, 2016, 10:54:58 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6M_2fTACeI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 22, 2016, 11:25:19 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 22, 2016, 09:26:33 PM

My :hans1 theory: Hillary rushed out a VP pick to cover up the leaked e-mails

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/22/wikileaks-dumps-dnc-emails/

Also some good old fashioned Nixonian ratfucking:

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/12803

I think with this I've decided to not vote for Hillary.  I guess it will be the Greens or nothing.  Both parties are miserable dumpster fires.  I can't stand either the Democrats or the Republicans anymore.

I guess what they say is true- money is no guarantee of intelligence

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Bernie Saw His Shadow, 8 More Years of Moderate Dems
Post by: curly on July 22, 2016, 11:38:36 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 22, 2016, 04:02:58 PM

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

The Democrats must have absolutely no security on their servers.

(http://i.imgur.com/vbWvrgV.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: chronovore on July 23, 2016, 12:25:03 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/liC01nT.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2016, 12:49:08 AM

(https://prod01-cdn07.cdn.firstlook.org/wp-uploads/sites/1/2016/07/Screen-Shot-2016-07-22-at-1.52.02-PM.png)

Quote

Paustenbach was trying to respond to a press inquiry about a raucous Nevada state convention where the news media and opponents of the Sanders campaign complained that there was violence, including thrown chairs, that didn’t actually happen.
 
When Sanders campaign chair Jeff Weaver appeared on cable news to defend the conduct of Sanders backers at the Nevada convention, Wasserman-Schultz reacted harshly, writing:  “Damn liar. Particularly scummy that he barely acknowledges the violent and threatening behavior that occurred.”

Democrats definitely need to rehold the primaries now, this reveals just how rigged the whole thing was. Just like Trump revealed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Syph on July 23, 2016, 01:09:38 AM

Quote from: chronovore on July 23, 2016, 12:25:03 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/liC01nT.jpg)

this segues into one of the best Carlin jokes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2016, 01:50:30 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cn91fg2WEAEZgz5.jpg)

 :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2016, 01:51:51 AM

Quote

Philadelphia Mayor Jim Kenney lauded the convention set-up, saying, "This is the product you get when you use skilled union labor."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: bluemax on July 23, 2016, 01:53:31 AM

Today was the biggest day for FB Bernie stans since he dropped out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: VomKriege on July 23, 2016, 05:37:14 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=211053693&postcount=53

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2016, 11:06:26 AM

This is kinda fun: http://www.people-press.org/interactives/gop-candidate-switching/

also,

(http://www.journalism.org/files/2016/07/PJ_2016.07.18_election-2016_2-03.png)
(http://www.journalism.org/files/2016/07/PJ_2016.07.18_election-2016_2-05.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2016, 12:22:39 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jy47dgjMk-A
:drudge

liberal humor exposed

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2016, 01:08:08 PM

2(https://www.nps.gov/inde/images/Highsmith-1625-Detail-300_1.jpg)16

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2016, 03:16:36 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/scottie-nell-hughes-on-kaine-speaking-spanish-didnt-need-a-translator-for-rnc-speeches/

 :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 23, 2016, 03:52:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2016, 03:16:36 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/scottie-nell-hughes-on-kaine-speaking-spanish-didnt-need-a-translator-for-rnc-speeches/

 :american

oh goddamit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 23, 2016, 04:03:58 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2016, 05:54:32 PM

It's been trending most of today. They really don't give a fuck that you need around 40% of the Hispanic vote to win the presidency.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2016, 06:12:49 PM

By Picking Anti-Abortion Tim Kaine, Hillary Is Testing Feminists’ Loyalty (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2016/07/22/hillary_clinton_picks_anti_abortion_tim_kaine_for_vice_president.html)

Quote

After months of speculation that Hillary Clinton might select Sen. Elizabeth Warren as her running mate, creating the first-ever two-woman ticket, or perhaps Labor Secretary Tom Perez, a civil rights lawyer who would’ve been the first Latino VP, her choice of Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine will bitterly disappoint some of her most progressive supporters.

It’s not just that Kaine, like all 47 veeps in our nation’s history, is a white dude, not a “first” who could have driven home just how historic Hillary’s candidacy is. He’s also, at least in his personal views, opposed to abortion due to his Catholic faith—a symbolic kick in the teeth for the feminist organizations that faithfully championed Hillary over Bernie throughout the long primary season.

Quote

Still, symbolism matters in politics. As a popular moderate from a battleground state, Kaine is a savvy choice in lots of ways, and Clinton may have correctly calculated that, after all her years advocating for women’s rights, feminists will stand by her regardless. But it’s hard to get excited about Kaine. Worse, his selection begs the question of whether, on an issue that had seemed so near and dear to Clinton’s heart, we can be sure that we know where—or at least how firmly—she stands.

Bernie wouldn't have ever picked a hard alt-right bigot with a long record of literally hating women.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Syph on July 23, 2016, 06:15:56 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 23, 2016, 11:47:06 AM

Bernie has got to have been the most toxic political figure I've ever seen in my 32 years. Dude could end up royally fucking this country for his stupid ego.

If the senile idiot had dropped out after New York or even Pennsylvania, the conversations in those emails wouldn't have been necessary.

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2016, 06:28:29 PM

https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/listen-to-tim-kaines-im-conservative-radio-ads-from-2005

This might make the delegates think twice. Hillary is going to be sweating bullets all weekend and next week until they do the roll call and Debbie locks it up for her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2016, 07:06:40 PM

Kaine has a 100% voter rating with multiple liberal women's rights group. Hand wringing over his personal views on abortion seems like tryhard shit to me. IE the perfect #slatepitch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 23, 2016, 09:05:28 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/757012114460569604
:mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Freyj on July 23, 2016, 09:18:14 PM

I keep seeing Super Deluxe / Vic Berger / Tim Heidecker right at the top of every trump tweet I see and it fills me with joy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2016, 09:31:43 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/trump-putin-yes-it-s-really-a-thing

So, yeah, Trump is absolutely not going to be tough on Putin. I almost want Trump to be President so that when Putin moves in on former Soviet states and Trump does nothing, I can subsist off the Schadenfreude as the GOP twists itself into a pretzel trying to explain why that's not a bad thing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2016, 10:54:02 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 23, 2016, 10:33:28 PM

Quote from: Syph on July 23, 2016, 06:15:56 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 23, 2016, 11:47:06 AM

Bernie has got to have been the most toxic political figure I've ever seen in my 32 years. Dude could end up royally fucking this country for his stupid ego.

If the senile idiot had dropped out after New York or even Pennsylvania, the conversations in those emails wouldn't have been necessary.

:neogaf

The Trump campaign might just edge out the Bernie campaign in toxicity, but Bernie's campaign surpassed McCain/Palin awhile back and lapped them several times since then.

Never stop fucking that chicken, GS. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Syph on July 23, 2016, 11:01:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td2pyyCau30
only publicly viewable for a couple hours

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Boogie on July 23, 2016, 11:12:36 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 23, 2016, 11:00:19 PM

Worry about your own country or your non-existent sex life you bumblefuck Canadian.

When your ether attempts are a decade out of date, brehs.  :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 23, 2016, 11:13:26 PM

Not sure if GS is more the textbook definition of "unhelpful ally" or "sore winner" tbh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2016, 11:15:14 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/eUm7JkX.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on July 24, 2016, 12:05:34 AM

http://gizmodo.com/vapes-are-banned-at-the-democratic-convention-welcome-1784185042

I'm voting Trump now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 24, 2016, 12:17:43 AM

Quote from: Mr Gilhaney on July 24, 2016, 12:05:34 AM

http://gizmodo.com/vapes-are-banned-at-the-democratic-convention-welcome-1784185042

I'm voting Trump now

just when the Bernie supporters couldn't get more salty.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Mandark on July 24, 2016, 02:37:39 AM

wow that sounds rough

i will pray 4 u

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: curly on July 24, 2016, 02:57:44 AM

having rage fits because of idiots on facebook

:neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2016, 03:40:49 AM

i haven't seen a single post promising to dedicate one's soul for gary johnson/bill weld on my facebook

this garbage is becoming seriously problematic

spoiler (click to show/hide)

though it might be because i haven't logged into facebook in months

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Trent Dole on July 24, 2016, 04:07:11 AM

This election fucking sucks.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 24, 2016, 08:49:42 AM

I guess there will be one black person who will vote for Donald Trump:

http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 24, 2016, 10:30:02 AM

(https://i.sli.mg/Mlipep.png)

The media is totally unbiased, I swear!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: thisismyusername on July 24, 2016, 11:10:28 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 24, 2016, 08:49:42 AM

I guess there will be one black person who will vote for Donald Trump:

http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-obamas-half-brother-says-hell-be-voting-for-donald-trump/

A_I_A!? :doge ( ;) )

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 24, 2016, 10:30:02 AM

The media is totally unbiased, I swear!

Been known for a while. I feel bad for a few people I know that got Journalism degrees with hopes and aspirations of reporting news. Unbiased sources haven't been around for about... 2002?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2016, 11:55:33 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/tim-kaine-vp-ticktock-226069

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They had to turn over every password for every social media account for every member of their families.

They had to list every piece of property they’d ever owned, and copies of every résumé that they’d put out for the past 10 years. Every business partner. Every gift they’d ever received, according to those familiar with the details of the vetting process.

For the finalists in the hunt to be Hillary Clinton’s running mate, it was five weeks of questions and follow-up, and follow-up to the follow-up questions, starting from when they were summoned one-by-one to meet with campaign chairman John Podesta and lawyer Jim Hamilton and told to bring along just one trusted person who’d serve as the point of contact.

Last Friday was interview day at Clinton’s D.C. home, the final exam that some of the VP candidates had spent weeks with their staffs preparing their pitches for. Clinton, with Podesta seated nearby as the only other one in the room, would start the session by talking them up.

Then she’d ask: “Why do you want the job?”

Also, :lol at this:

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Others tried less direct ways of lobbying themselves. Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper got himself as far as one of the interviews after spending the spring on a book tour. His near constant presence in Washington even put him meeting with former Congresswoman and longtime Clinton supporter Jane Harman at the Wilson Center to talk foreign policy, and hiring a New York-based public relations firm that urged reporters to interview him about gun control and terrorism.

“Governor John Hickenlooper of Colorado, who is still dealing with the fallout from the 2012 mass shooting in Aurora, is disturbed by [Donald] Trump’s comments about Orlando and is available to discuss it,” read one emailed pitch.

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Podesta’s leak-protection plan assigned each candidate a different additional lawyer to handle the vetting. The 150 questions on the first part of the questionnaire were standard, with an addendum based on their individual histories that surprised some of the candidates with how much they’d already been vetted before they knew that the process had actually started. Round after round came back with more follow up questions, swamping aides for weeks.

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That hurt Castro, who’d been speculated on early as a favorite but rankled Clinton allies with the shadow campaign he’d launched for the job a year earlier. By the time the real process got underway, he’d faded from top consideration.

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The Clinton campaign, which provided traveling reporters Friday night with a press release in background, bullet point form about the process, was carefully nudging narratives throughout. In late June, they purposefully seeded the same story to multiple reporters that the shortlist was Kaine, Warren and Castro—though they’d already all but ruled out Warren and Castro—in a successful effort to get stories out about the different possible factors that might make the decision, and to see the response those generated.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 24, 2016, 01:17:48 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 24, 2016, 02:15:22 AM

Do we not all have tons of people on our Facebook feeds telling us that they will never (note: they always say I'll never, not I won't, apparently the little shits think there will be more than one opportunity) vote for Hillary?

Of course not, and I'm frankly insulted you'd assume my associates are as shitty as your facebook friends

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Atramental on July 24, 2016, 02:23:03 PM

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Ideological purity is admirable but highly impractical and dangerous when a fascist orange and his scumbag cronies are this close to the presidency. Hillary is by no means ideal but she won't destroy all that the Obama administration has worked so hard to build in these last 8 years. And I'm not here to debate or change people's minds. That's a waste of time since you're all grown adults who can make your own educated decisions. -Peace

Just wrote this on a friend's post who had some unbending Bernie supporters in the comments.  :snoop  :kobeyuck

Are you happy, Walrus? :noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 02:32:25 PM

Yeah, basically it boils down to this: I shouldn't have to suffer because you have stupid friends, Walrus. Take it up with them, stop being their friend, but shut up about it if you're not going to directly confront them with it. I've already spoken privately with everyone I know that is all "ugh ew Hillary, she's an evil criminal" that would otherwise vote for a democrat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Mandark on July 24, 2016, 02:35:35 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 24, 2016, 01:12:06 PM

Edit: the racism and sexism that the Sanders campaign unleashed are most of the reason I called the campaign toxic. That and their disgusting entitlement.

lol you don't care about that shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Trent Dole on July 24, 2016, 03:02:23 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 02:32:25 PM

Yeah, basically it boils down to this: I shouldn't have to suffer because you have stupid friends, Walrus. Take it up with them, stop being their friend, but shut up about it if you're not going to directly confront them with it. I've already spoken privately with everyone I know that is all "ugh ew Hillary, she's an evil criminal" that would otherwise vote for a democrat.

I have people in my Fb feed that support Drumpf. :gloomy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 03:15:55 PM

:dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 03:16:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 02:32:25 PM

Yeah, basically it boils down to this: I shouldn't have to suffer because you have stupid friends, Walrus. Take it up with them, stop being their friend, but shut up about it if you're not going to directly confront them with it. I've already spoken privately with everyone I know that is all "ugh ew Hillary, she's an evil criminal" that would otherwise vote for a democrat.

Talking politics with people :kobeyuck

Don't be this guy, nobody likes this guy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Atramental on July 24, 2016, 03:22:43 PM

It's a cross some of us have to bear to prevent the rise of the 4th Reich.  :noah :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 03:23:19 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 03:16:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 02:32:25 PM

Yeah, basically it boils down to this: I shouldn't have to suffer because you have stupid friends, Walrus. Take it up with them, stop being their friend, but shut up about it if you're not going to directly confront them with it. I've already spoken privately with everyone I know that is all "ugh ew Hillary, she's an evil criminal" that would otherwise vote for a democrat.

Talking politics with people :kobeyuck

Don't be this guy, nobody likes this guy.

"Please, don't challenge my shitty beliefs that will negatively impact the country, let's just drink beer and talk about whatever"

Also, Walrus- you are pretty stupid and awful. Maybe shut the fuck up and talk about this shit with your therapist. You either think you're funny/clever (spoiler alert- you are not) or have serious, serious anger issues. The sort that I fully expect to one day read about you shooting up some place full of people you perceive as enemies. Even odds on it being an NRA rally or an anarchist bookstore, honestly. Seek help and stfu in the meantime.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2016, 03:27:52 PM

 :paul

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 24, 2016, 03:31:56 PM

This is what the election has done to us

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 03:33:26 PM

People are stupid and awful. This does not exclude people you will need to ally yourself with for whatever reason. If you're just now realizing this, I really don't know what to tell you.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 04:05:00 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 03:23:19 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 03:16:54 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 24, 2016, 02:32:25 PM

Yeah, basically it boils down to this: I shouldn't have to suffer because you have stupid friends, Walrus. Take it up with them, stop being their friend, but shut up about it if you're not going to directly confront them with it. I've already spoken privately with everyone I know that is all "ugh ew Hillary, she's an evil criminal" that would otherwise vote for a democrat.

Talking politics with people :kobeyuck

Don't be this guy, nobody likes this guy.

"Please, don't challenge my shitty beliefs that will negatively impact the country, let's just drink beer and talk about whatever"

Also, Walrus- you are pretty stupid and awful. Maybe shut the fuck up and talk about this shit with your therapist. You either think you're funny/clever (spoiler alert- you are not) or have serious, serious anger issues. The sort that I fully expect to one day read about you shooting up some place full of people you perceive as enemies. Even odds on it being an NRA rally or an anarchist bookstore, honestly. Seek help and stfu in the meantime.

If it's your friends or family,  okay.

If it's your work peers, randoms at a bar/restaurant, or me riding in an elevator....no, just no.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM

DWS is stepping down

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: thisismyusername on July 24, 2016, 04:42:50 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 24, 2016, 04:24:00 PM

DWS is stepping down

Speaking of which:

Glen TRIGGER warning: http://www.npr.org/2016/07/24/487242426/bernie-sanders-dnc-emails-outrageous-but-not-a-shock

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Sanders also called the emails an "outrage" and "sad" but also that they do not come as "a great shock." He believes that the DNC was "at opposition to our campaign" all along, he said Sunday morning.

"BernieBros" were right all along? SHOCK. :doge

Also:


If this turns out to be true, don't say Ron Paul didn't warn you :smug (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/5-reasons-why-trump-will-_b_11156794.html)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2016, 05:26:24 PM

 :dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Trent Dole on July 24, 2016, 05:27:46 PM

 :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 24, 2016, 06:52:43 PM

Can we discuss how Romney was right about Russia.

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Boogie on July 24, 2016, 07:48:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 24, 2016, 05:14:09 PM

mean-spirited

really?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 24, 2016, 08:21:16 PM

walrus has never been in a fight or even cursed someone out irl, I would put money on it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 08:56:57 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 24, 2016, 08:21:16 PM

walrus has never been in a fight or even cursed someone out irl, I would put money on it

Neither die the guy who killed people in Munich. Food for thought.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Mupepe on July 24, 2016, 09:27:00 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 24, 2016, 05:14:09 PM

Fuck you for liking Mandark's horseshit post accusing me of not caring about racism or sexism, Mupepe. And fuck everyone else who liked it. The fact that a mean-spirited old shitstain like Mandark would write something like that isn't surprising, but it is surprising seeing some people agree with it.

Get fucking bent.

This post is so toxic and is filled with anti semitic undertones

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 24, 2016, 10:47:36 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 08:56:57 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 24, 2016, 08:21:16 PM

walrus has never been in a fight or even cursed someone out irl, I would put money on it

Neither die the guy who killed people in Munich. Food for thought.

you are so fuckin weird dude

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: toku on July 24, 2016, 11:21:08 PM

(https://i.sli.mg/nnIj2b.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 11:54:14 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 24, 2016, 10:47:36 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 08:56:57 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 24, 2016, 08:21:16 PM

walrus has never been in a fight or even cursed someone out irl, I would put money on it

Neither die the guy who killed people in Munich. Food for thought.

you are so fuckin weird dude

Sorry I said what you all are thinking.

Walrus is either our greatest troll or completely mentally unstable.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 24, 2016, 11:57:31 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoLHvEOWEAAu41O.jpg)

The new DNC chair for the week.

Not to worry though.  According to the people who have been colluding with the DNC for the past several months, including holding illegal fundraisers, Donald Trump is a Russian Manchurian candidate, personally groomed by Vladimir Putin himself!  Meanwhile pay no attention to any past dealings the Clintons have had with the Russians: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Both parties are fucking jokes.  Corruption and incompetency at all levels it seems.  Maybe Obama can find a way to run a third term.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 24, 2016, 11:59:15 PM

She's (the former chair) utterly useless. As a real world comparative it would be like me asking for you to be banned. Nobody will listen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2016, 12:48:12 AM

It's not really surprising that a sociopath like MTW is buying into the "both parties are the same" drivel, I guess

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 01:09:08 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/24/politics/robby-mook-russia-dnc-emails-trump/index.html


:umad


Such a bad look here.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2016, 02:12:14 AM

Quote from: Boogie on July 24, 2016, 07:48:14 PM

Quote from: The Walrus on July 24, 2016, 05:14:09 PM

mean-spirited

really?

"Mandark may be old, he may be a shitstain, but..."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Syph on July 25, 2016, 02:13:06 AM

"Clinton names Wasserman Schultz honorary chair of campaign team"

lol wow :trash
it sucks that Trump is the other option, believe me it does, but wow how someone could vote for such a transparently corrupt person is fucked
really wonder how the election will turn out, and it's only July
sidenote: time to see if Bernie has any balls (spoilers: he doesn't)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 04:37:38 AM

Kinda starting to think Hillary would be losing to Rubio or Kasich right now. I don't see how either could overcome demographic issues and get to 270 but jeez. Seems clear the Hillary camp doesn't give a fuck how any of this looks.

And no I don't buy into the idea this was rigged. Sanders lost fair in square. And I understand why democrat officials wanted the actual democrat to win. Lord knows what RNC officials were saying about Trump in March.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2016, 07:50:50 AM

It's typical that there is a convention bump.  So it's likely that Clinton will get a bump as well this week.  However, anyone who assumed it was going to be a blowout is/was lying to themselves.  Even Nate Silver is starting to admit it.  Which maybe means it's so obvious that even he can tell or that since he has been so wrong about things so far that Hillary will win in a landslide.  I guess we'll wait and see!

The polls in my opinion start to matter a lot more after the first debate, which will probably be in September.  My apolitical yet voting friends and family don't start giving a shit about the election until the first debate.  So right now this is all just noise.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 09:13:04 AM

So she's down 3% (CNN two person poll) in a poll that under samples 18-34yo demographic. Ok...

What is a blowout btw? I'm apt to believe Hillary will do Obama 2012 EC total, minus Iowa, plus NC.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:27:55 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 09:13:04 AM

So she's down 3% (CNN two person poll) in a poll that under samples 18-34yo demographic. Ok...

What is a blowout btw? I'm apt to believe Hillary will do Obama 2012 EC total, minus Iowa, plus NC.

Let's see how her convention goes first big fella. She's outshined by at least 3 of the people speaking which is hilariously Hillary-like.

Also this stupid Bernie fallout isn't over yet. I'm 50/50 on if he toes the line or goes all Ted Cruz.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2016, 10:21:46 AM

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Aspernerd now predicts Trump victory

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2016, 10:42:18 AM

Okay I'm officially scared

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2016, 10:49:16 AM

Hopefully after November we can all look back on this and laugh.  :doge

Key word being hopefully. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 10:55:10 AM

Hoping Hillary falls below 60 cents on PredictIt. Cashed in my Tim Kaine shares and made good money, now I'm waiting to put the cash back into a market.

I got some Hillary shares months ago but want more.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: octopushover on July 25, 2016, 11:12:48 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 25, 2016, 10:21:46 AM

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/#now

Aspernerd now predicts Trump victory

that's not a prediction.

that's literally the results if the election were held today. it's a nowdiction.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 11:52:02 AM

That feel when you wake up everyday, read the news, and remember you're Canadian. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2016, 11:56:44 AM

Trump is doing much better than McCain and Romney at this point.

Hillary is going to need to knock it out of the park on debates.  Fortunately this is likely because if all Trump has to say is "I made billions and billions of dollars" like he did in the primary, that is not going to fly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 12:03:33 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 25, 2016, 11:56:44 AM

Trump is doing much better than McCain and Romney at this point.

Hillary is going to need to knock it out of the park on debates.  Fortunately this is likely because if all Trump has to say is "I made billions and billions of dollars" like he did in the primary, that is not going to fly.

This is literally not true. McCain's RCP average was 48.1 at this time in 08. IIRC Romney's was 46. Trump is at 44.

Until I see a logical map that gets Trump to 270 I'm not worried. I don't buy Trump winning Florida. Even now Trump is not winning whites by enough to overcome the Hispanic vote there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Mupepe on July 25, 2016, 12:05:30 PM

Nudemacuser put it best when he said that convention time always yields unreliable polling results

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: octopushover on July 25, 2016, 01:03:25 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 25, 2016, 11:56:44 AM

Trump is doing much better than McCain and Romney at this point.

Hillary is going to need to knock it out of the park on debates.  Fortunately this is likely because if all Trump has to say is "I made billions and billions of dollars" like he did in the primary, that is not going to fly.

well yeah, he's doing better than mccain and romney in that he can lift his arms over his head and he has a personality.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 01:04:32 PM

Quote from: octopushover on July 25, 2016, 01:03:25 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 25, 2016, 11:56:44 AM

Trump is doing much better than McCain and Romney at this point.

Hillary is going to need to knock it out of the park on debates.  Fortunately this is likely because if all Trump has to say is "I made billions and billions of dollars" like he did in the primary, that is not going to fly.

well yeah, he's doing better than mccain and romney in that he can lift his arms over his head and he has a personality.

It's not how high you can raise your arms, it's whether your sleeves were still the proper length.

-Nudemacusers

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Trent Dole on July 25, 2016, 01:10:44 PM

AiA has fallen in line with his party and is now mindlessly cheerleading for Trumpy. :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2016, 01:15:28 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 25, 2016, 11:52:02 AM

That feel when you wake up everyday, read the news, and remember you're Canadian.

Up until Herr Trump annexes your country. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 01:31:46 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on July 25, 2016, 01:10:44 PM

AiA has fallen in line with his party and is now mindlessly cheerleading for Trumpy. :heh

Not at all. I hate Hillary, I hate Trump, this is literally the beginning of the downfall of western civilization. So horrible.

Kasich was my guy.

Time for Rice to run. Please make it happen God.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Steve Contra on July 25, 2016, 01:35:44 PM

Jerry Rice would be a good choice for president, I agree.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 01:39:15 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 25, 2016, 01:35:44 PM

Jerry Rice would be a good choice for president, I agree.

His cardio matches Putins.

Rice/Lott 2020

The San Francisco treat!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 01:54:16 PM

Rice is pro choice and a lesbian.
:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 02:13:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 01:54:16 PM

Rice is pro choice and a lesbian.
:heh

So am I

:yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 04:00:43 PM

Half-way through day one of the DNC and the "Lock her up!" chants have already started.  :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: Syph on July 25, 2016, 04:34:23 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:27:55 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 09:13:04 AM

So she's down 3% (CNN two person poll) in a poll that under samples 18-34yo demographic. Ok...

What is a blowout btw? I'm apt to believe Hillary will do Obama 2012 EC total, minus Iowa, plus NC.

Let's see how her convention goes first big fella. She's outshined by at least 3 of the people speaking which is hilariously Hillary-like.

Also this stupid Bernie fallout isn't over yet. I'm 50/50 on if he toes the line or goes all Ted Cruz.

He's a pussy, so he won't
inb4 rationalization about how "oh he's just swallowing his pride because the risk of a Trump presidency is too grave" guy is 74

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 04:00:43 PM

Half-way through day one of the DNC and the "Lock her up!" chants have already started.  :snoop

it's kind of funny given the RNC was supposed to be the one about unifying the party lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 25, 2016, 04:34:40 PM

Guy on my Facebook who had been pimping Trump for months is now pimping Gary Johnson. Not sure which is worse at this point

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 25, 2016, 04:41:59 PM

Also, won't actually win, so that's better than Trump, too

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 04:55:36 PM

Quote from: Dufus on July 25, 2016, 04:49:43 PM

so many boos at DNC

what the fuck is going on

fucking BERNIE STANS

He just endorsed Hillary, maybe that will shut them up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 25, 2016, 05:03:11 PM

lol, they're booing fucking TPP? I guess if you've gotta be mad at something...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2016, 05:04:27 PM

I cannot fucking stand this embarrassing country

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:06:01 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 05:04:27 PM

I cannot fucking stand this embarrassing country

Then move. I'm sure we can rally and take over your amazing contributions to our economy.

:gladbron

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: octopushover on July 25, 2016, 05:09:52 PM

bernie delegate addressed the entire convention by quoting fucking dumbledore  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2016, 05:11:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:06:01 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 05:04:27 PM

I cannot fucking stand this embarrassing country

Then move. I'm sure we can rally and take over your amazing contributions to our economy.

:gladbron

the fuck does this even mean you asshole

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 25, 2016, 05:11:48 PM

Quote from: octopushover on July 25, 2016, 05:09:52 PM

bernie delegate addressed the entire convention by quoting fucking dumbledore  :doge

fucking millenials

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:12:43 PM

It means, loser, if you hate this country then get the fuck out. I thought it was pretty simple to understand.

PS: Nobody will take you but South America so good luck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:15:46 PM

Quote from: Dufus on July 25, 2016, 05:14:28 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:12:43 PM

PS: Nobody will take you but South America so good luck.

You know Canada exists, right? :doge

He's got a OVI, he can't even visit.

I'm so tired of this "fuck the USA" bullshit. To be such a coward that you would rather leave then fix the problem is not something I'll ever tolerate. Pussy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2016, 05:16:56 PM

Quote from: Dufus on July 25, 2016, 05:14:28 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:12:43 PM

PS: Nobody will take you but South America so good luck.

You know Canada exists, right? :doge

Becoming a Canadian citizen is no small task though.

http://settlement.org/ontario/immigration-citizenship/citizenship/apply-for-canadian-citizenship/how-do-i-apply-for-canadian-citizenship/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2016, 05:29:51 PM

You have to wonder if this is the first election some Bernie stans have participated in. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2016, 05:30:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:12:43 PM

It means, loser, if you hate this country then get the fuck out. I thought it was pretty simple to understand.

PS: Nobody will take you but South America so good luck.

You're honestly reverting to that tired South Park diatribe?  And I have a reckless charge that warrants me allowance for a Temporary Resident Permit in Canada if I ever wanted to travel there.

You're an asshole who bullies other people based purely on financial and physical abilities.  You're mean, you're conceited, and you have zero know-how on what is going on in other people's lives.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Bebpo on July 25, 2016, 05:31:29 PM

Bernie Sanders is the 2nd worst thing to come of this election cycle because he gave reddit a political voice and that was the last thing the world needed, besides, well, Trump.  Bernie himself is flawed but good intentioned dude, but the movement he created is fairly awful, it's like they thought they were doing the grass roots Obama thing, but somewhere along the way the movement got very grossly twisted into a hate group rather than a change group.

These days 2ch/4ch/reddit are all the same, mindless group think meme-based discussion by white (Japanese in 2ch case) privileged young males who'd burn the world down for the lolz because it'd effect them the least.  Everything I dislike about gaf is basically multiplied by a dozen on those sites. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Mupepe on July 25, 2016, 05:37:25 PM

Quote from: Dufus on July 25, 2016, 05:34:49 PM

"down with TPP" ??

I don't know, man. Maybe it's not bernie stans anymore. Maybe it's just democrats people. People Democrats are just goddamned stupid.

FTFY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Syph on July 25, 2016, 05:37:54 PM

Quote from: octopushover on July 25, 2016, 05:09:52 PM

bernie delegate addressed the entire convention by quoting fucking dumbledore  :doge

because only in a goddamn fantasy land does sanders grow a pair

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2016, 05:43:38 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on July 25, 2016, 05:31:29 PM

Bernie Sanders is the 2nd worst thing to come of this election cycle because he gave reddit a political voice and that was the last thing the world needed, besides, well, Trump.  Bernie himself is flawed but good intentioned dude, but the movement he created is fairly awful, it's like they thought they were doing the grass roots Obama thing, but somewhere along the way the movement got very grossly twisted into a hate group rather than a change group.

These days 2ch/4ch/reddit are all the same, mindless group think meme-based discussion by white (Japanese in 2ch case) privileged young males who'd burn the world down for the lolz because it'd effect them the least.  Everything I dislike about gaf is basically multiplied by a dozen on those sites.

preach. it.
fuck i'm about ready to go full walrus soon. :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: El Babua on July 25, 2016, 05:48:02 PM

All the facades are cracking and it's only July.  :anhuld

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 05:50:23 PM

Goddamn this DNC is making the RNC look like a well oiled machine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 25, 2016, 06:11:02 PM

I'm confused, are you guys actually for TPP?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Mandark on July 25, 2016, 06:16:26 PM

I think it's more that the TPP has taken on symbolic importance for a lot of people and as a result they treat it as a much more important issue than it is, so some of the posters here are rolling their eyes at the whole thing.  At least that's how I'm reading it.

This is basically how I felt about the public option in the ACA was treated back in the day.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2016, 06:23:40 PM

fuck it, i was planning on taking a break from alcohol this week but i feel like getting shitfaced tonight. did i say "tonight"? i meant this afternoon. and then again tonight. and tomorrow afternoon. and then again tomorrow night.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 06:28:01 PM

I can see it from a few perspectives. There are those who simply oppose any trade deal on protectionist, anti-globalization terms; naturally that would include TPP. Then there are those who may or may not support free trade but are mainly upset about TPP's corporate framework, for instance the ability for corporations to sue governments who pass laws that are perceived to undermine/hurt the deal.

I support free trade. Would I vote for TPP if I was a senator? Probably not without concessions on the more odious corporate giveaways.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Bebpo on July 25, 2016, 06:35:01 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 25, 2016, 06:11:02 PM

I'm confused, are you guys actually for TPP?

The TPP chants were during a speech that had nothing to do with TPP and drowning out a speech about extremely left-progressive movement on a plethora of extremely important rights.  Basically the chanters were one-issue votes who didn't feel anything besides TPP was important.  Minorities, BLM, Women's rights?  Nah, TPP TPP TPP.

...but that's because a lot of these people are college educated middle-class white males and the threat of a boogeyman TPP effects them more in their mind than whatever issues other people actually face on a daily basis because it's not their problem.

Anyhow, it isn't even Bernie supporters, because most Bernie supporters are normal intelligent people, it's just the 5% who are entitled fucking morons and are the fucking tea party of the left who are making the noise at this convention.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 25, 2016, 06:36:24 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 25, 2016, 06:11:02 PM

I'm confused, are you guys actually for TPP?

It's not really the content itself that weirded me out, it's more to do with it showing up here of all places that had me surprised

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 06:37:04 PM

Dat weed in the Bernie section is dank. No shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Mupepe on July 25, 2016, 06:44:19 PM

I thibk what's unique about this election is that the fringe idiots of both parties have had a larger than usual voice for various reasons.

As nudemacusers once said - the devil also speaks in Scripture

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 06:49:11 PM

No no friend

The Devil wears Prada

-NudeMacUsers

It's a common mistake though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2016, 06:56:16 PM

I like this "nudemacusers said..." meme.  :marimo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Syph on July 25, 2016, 06:56:44 PM

breh if some of yall can't see why as PD said "TPP's corporate framework" is a bad thing then I don't know what to say

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2016, 07:02:49 PM

"President Trump"

Better get used to hearing that for the next eight years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 25, 2016, 07:16:30 PM

I would bet people are latching onto TPP as a clear signal of the Democratic Party not being a party for working class Americans. As it hasn't been for awhile now. They mad, because no one represents working class people who are tired of being screwed that are still socially liberal. Please don't yell at me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 07:27:54 PM

http://www.dailycommercial.com/news/article_b4e5ee46-2af2-52d5-9270-573a549f4592.html

Quote

A top Democratic official in Sumter County has asked The Villages to stop playing a movie that he says portrays his party’s presidential nominee in a negative light and will incite violence against party members.

Joseph Flynn, a Democratic state committeeman and a Sumter County resident of the retirement community, said three residents in The Villages have been threatened with harm within the last week because of their expressed Democratic beliefs.

He said he feels the retirement community showing “Hillary’s America” will spark more threats.

Quote

“I have received a significant number of calls from people in Sumter County who viewed the trailer of this movie and voiced concern the movie will incite additional threats of violence against them and their property for being Democrats,” Flynn said. “Democrat lives matters”

Flynn said Friday he still was trying to set up a meeting with senior managers of The Villages to stop them from playing the movie.

According to an online article in Variety, “Hillary’s America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party” tries to tarnish the left’s legacy as a supporter of civil rights while taking down the party’s standard bearer. The film doesn’t just play like a greatest hits of Hillary Clinton’s scandals — from emailgate to Benghazi — it makes the argument that the Democratic Party has a history of supporting slavery and racism, the article adds.

“This movie has little to do with Hillary Clinton and is a hateful attack upon anyone who calls themselves a Democrat,” Flynn said.

Quote

Flynn said that a Democratic sticker on a golf cart in The Villages elicited an “If I had my gun with me I would shoot you” response. He said another Democrat in The Villages who expressed her beliefs was threatened by someone who said they would shoot her with an AR-15.

Flynn said none of the incidents were reported to the sheriff’s office, which the sheriff's lieutenant advised any victim to do in the future.

retirement community drama

random fact: the knock-off "tip calculators" Kramer gets from Bob Sacamano are called "The Willard" :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Alcoholic Fish on July 25, 2016, 07:31:13 PM

I gotta say, the Bernie protestors at city hall were more stereotypical than I imagined.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 25, 2016, 07:42:02 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 25, 2016, 06:16:26 PM

TPP has taken on symbolic importance for a lot of people and as a result they treat it as a much more important issue than it is

I was typing that last post while scratching my head tryna figure out why people, at the DNC especially, would care about it, and then I was like:

-Nafta being framed negatively over the past 20 years
-post great recession 99% rhetoric
-Bernie's 'political revolution' and calls for democratizing the public sphere
-the lack of transparency in the TPP's drafting

and it all made sense. This exercise also nicely put into perspective how Bernie's 'movement' has been bubbling for a while. How many of the Bernie bros yelling lock her up in 2016 were occupying Wall Street in 2010? It also reminded me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh9SgyGgBW0.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 06:28:01 PM

I can see it from a few perspectives. There are those who simply oppose any trade deal on protectionist, anti-globalization terms; naturally that would include TPP. Then there are those who may or may not support free trade but are mainly upset about TPP's corporate framework, for instance the ability for corporations to sue governments who pass laws that are perceived to undermine/hurt the deal.

I support free trade. Would I vote for TPP if I was a senator? Probably not without concessions on the more odious corporate giveaways.

From what I've read, it's an open question to what extent TPP actually does break down trade barriers, and if so, whether that's actually needed. It's also important to remember that TPP and TTIP have huge, if not predominant, geopolitical purposes. TPP is as much about rounding up China's neighbors (and therefore, China) to play by US/EU rules as it is trade liberalization. As for ISDS, that's an arbitration process, not a court of law, although it certainly can indirectly affect legislation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 08:05:00 PM

Thanks Vox for an explainer, I was about to panic: Here's how to interpret the new polls showing Donald Trump ahead of Hillary Clinton (http://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270288/donald-trump-polls-beat-clinton)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 08:09:47 PM

Protesting works!

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoJ-n69WIAAzInC.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoJ-v5iXgAQwJmS.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 08:12:40 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoJ_G77WgAQlUqE.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoKA72SWgAA3CYT.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoKgmCbWIAAN3dm.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 25, 2016, 08:14:33 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Qp0GCcq.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 08:15:13 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoJ_iIyWIAE74M1.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 08:20:29 PM

This is what happens when you tell people that the country desperately needs you, that your opponent is corrupt, and the system is rigged...and then go on to lose.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 08:23:42 PM

Maybe they should have listened to the "corrupt" and "rigged" part closer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Sausage on July 25, 2016, 08:24:02 PM

https://twitter.com/AthertonKD/status/757723743816998916?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoP5uV1XEAI9YxP.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Syph on July 25, 2016, 08:29:24 PM

CNN frontpage says crowd "cheer in spanish" at DNC
how does one cheer in spanish?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2016, 08:36:36 PM

In process of getting shitfaced, so far I am 120% happy with my decision here

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 08:39:34 PM

Guess Hillary now looks like the smart one for keeping her own e-mail server and deleting its contents. :smug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Atramental on July 25, 2016, 08:44:45 PM

Quote from: Syph on July 25, 2016, 08:29:24 PM

CNN frontpage says crowd "cheer in spanish" at DNC
how does one cheer in spanish?

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/63982285.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 25, 2016, 08:47:54 PM

Having actually had a job that involved sifting through captured institutional email archives, I'm just impressed there wasn't a ton of disgusting porn being passed around.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 08:48:06 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 25, 2016, 07:02:49 PM

"President Trump"

Better get used to hearing that for the next eight years.

Definitely my least favorite nudemacusers quote

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents out themselves on live TV isn't as tasty as I thought it would be. Damnit.

Sorry you guys I can't even rip you as this shit is all that need be said.


As the great prophet Nudemacusers once said "if you ever find yourself hanging uncomfortably left in public then pivot, avoid eye contact, and move right as required."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2016, 09:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents out themselves on live TV isn't as tasty as I thought it would be. Damnit.

Sorry you guys I can't even rip you as this shit is all that need be said.

Hmmmm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:06:40 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 09:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents out themselves on live TV isn't as tasty as I thought it would be. Damnit.

Sorry you guys I can't even rip you as this shit is all that need be said.

Hmmmm

If you don't think that party of full of "better than you" people then you really should start that expedition to Peru next week. I mean c'mon man, are you even listening to them?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 09:08:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents

That was months ago:
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vntggy6H--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/z8kzc3tvuqppyoxxpg5m.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 09:09:07 PM

btw, PD, he's from Howell

he ran for my House seat in 2014 :lol

running for Livingston County Sheriff this year

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:12:34 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 09:08:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents

That was months ago:
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vntggy6H--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/z8kzc3tvuqppyoxxpg5m.gif)

He has more rhythm than most white people. What is his name? Will write him in.

Many thanks.

Quote from: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 09:09:07 PM

btw, PD, he's from Howell

he ran for my House seat in 2014 :lol

running for Livingston County Sheriff this year

I'll alert my people to fund thus vote ;)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 09:20:08 PM

http://www.weeksforsheriff.com/

(http://imageprocessor.websimages.com/width/438/crop/138,0,300x180/www.weeksforsheriff.com/635507086090805695-HART-ELECT-03.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/weeksforsheriff/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2016, 09:29:42 PM

Has anyone actually been swayed to vote for someone based on a celebrity endorsement?

Quote from: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 09:20:08 PM

http://www.weeksforsheriff.com/

(http://imageprocessor.websimages.com/width/438/crop/138,0,300x180/www.weeksforsheriff.com/635507086090805695-HART-ELECT-03.jpg)

https://www.facebook.com/weeksforsheriff/

"ENDORESEMENTS"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 09:33:15 PM

Don't get caught with weed in Livingston County, brehs. I know someone who had less than an ounce and got a year probation plus 3k fine. And she's white.

Perhaps Mr. Weeks can do something about this, Benji.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2016, 09:40:31 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:06:40 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 09:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents out themselves on live TV isn't as tasty as I thought it would be. Damnit.

Sorry you guys I can't even rip you as this shit is all that need be said.

Hmmmm

If you don't think that party of full of "better than you" people then you really should start that expedition to Peru next week. I mean c'mon man, are you even listening to them?

The hypocrisy is so fucking rich . 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:43:05 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 09:40:31 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:06:40 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 09:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents out themselves on live TV isn't as tasty as I thought it would be. Damnit.

Sorry you guys I can't even rip you as this shit is all that need be said.

Hmmmm

If you don't think that party of full of "better than you" people then you really should start that expedition to Peru next week. I mean c'mon man, are you even listening to them?

The hypocrisy is so fucking rich .

Unlike....well....you :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 25, 2016, 09:52:29 PM

Do you not understand how insane you sound?  You claim the Democratic party preaches a "better than you" mentality (which is true, there are a lot of holier than thous in it) yet on the SAME FUCKING PAGE you brag about being rich and holding it against me for not.

You're right, I am mad that you're a walking moronic contradiction.

I'm out of this thread, I don't need to be reminded that someone like you exists on a daily basis.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 25, 2016, 09:55:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gensWq4xl0I

Holy shit, what a shitshow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:57:15 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 09:52:29 PM

Do you not understand how insane you sound?  You claim the Democratic party preaches a "better than you" mentality (which is true, there are a lot of holier than thous in it) yet on the SAME FUCKING PAGE you brag about being rich and holding it against me for not.

You're right, I am mad that you're a walking moronic contradiction.

I'm out of this thread, I don't need to be reminded that someone like you exists on a daily basis.

So mad. It's a politics thread, this stays here. Unless you want to make it personal. Which is silly because I don't know you.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=450p7goxZqg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:01:45 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 25, 2016, 09:55:42 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gensWq4xl0I

Holy shit, what a shitshow

I mean I've scripted better excuses for being late for my wife (who is always late) with 3 friends in 45 second in the car. This is a travesty and gotta put trump in the whitehouse. Thanks, assholes....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 10:03:41 PM

If you don't like Michelle Obama I can't fuck with you
:rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 10:07:21 PM

Why does Sarah keep making a sexy face into the camera?  I mean I like it but its odd. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:08:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 10:03:41 PM

If you don't like Michelle Obama I can't fuck with you
:rejoice

Go up and respect my video apology to BrandNew. And nah dude, she's as fraud as dollar hot dogs quality my mans.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:09:12 PM

:bow MICHELLE OBAMA :bow2

YASSSSS QUEEEN

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:11:38 PM

"Kid who look to us for who and what they should be!"

Michelle Obama.


Are you even fucking serious here?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2016, 10:27:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:08:23 PM

And nah dude, she's as fraud as dollar hot dogs quality my mans.

:cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:32:34 PM

Just saying, she if she said it was raining I'd stick my hand out the window.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:34:14 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:32:34 PM

Just saying, she if she said it was raining I'd stick my hand out the window.

(http://i.imgur.com/2cNVpec.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:36:16 PM

The best thing about Trump winning will be seeing him get beat to a pulp in 2020 by Warren. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2016, 10:36:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:32:34 PM

Just saying, she if she said it was raining I'd stick my hand out the window.

I have a better suggestion for where you should stick it. :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:39:02 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:36:16 PM

The best thing about Trump winning will be seeing him get beat to a pulp in 2020 by Warren. :lawd

At this Point I tend to think Warren/Obama in any order  would be unbeatable. For Sure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 10:40:56 PM

Are they waiting until Bernie falls asleep?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:42:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 10:40:56 PM

Are they waiting until Bernie falls asleep?

Not a big fan of the guy but he's got more energy than most 20 year olds. He will be fine.

Still wondering if he goes off the rails.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:44:01 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:42:19 PM

Still wondering if he goes off the rails.

I doubt it. He spent most of the first day trying to douse the flames caused by his rowdier fans.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:46:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:44:01 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:42:19 PM

Still wondering if he goes off the rails.

I doubt it. He spent most of the first day trying to douse the flames caused by his rowdier fans.

Yeah but dude knows how to play the game. This will be a fun watch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:50:03 PM

If you're expecting him to pull a Ted Cruz, I think you're going to be disappointing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:52:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:50:03 PM

If you're expecting him to pull a Ted Cruz, I think you're going to be disappointing.

I can hope though. It would turn that motherfucker right out too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:54:55 PM

Dude's 74. I really doubt he wants his last meaningful contribution to Presidential politics to be the election of Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:56:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:54:55 PM

Dude's 75. I really doubt he wants his last meaningful contribution to Presidential politics to be the election of Trump.

Like supporting a Clinton gets your a gold button or something. I believe he disagrees with her more than hairmop.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:56:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:56:04 PM

I believe he disagrees with her more than hairmop.

I strongly doubt that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 11:00:24 PM

:hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 11:04:20 PM

:yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 11:09:58 PM

There isn't a person there that would shed a tear for Hillary. Not a good look.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 25, 2016, 11:11:43 PM

I love this guy. "If you think you can sit [this election] out, think about the Supreme Court justices"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2016, 11:14:35 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:56:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:54:55 PM

Dude's 75. I really doubt he wants his last meaningful contribution to Presidential politics to be the election of Trump.

Like supporting a Clinton gets your a gold button or something. I believe he disagrees with her more than hairmop.

NYT: Hillary and Bernie voted the same way 93% of the time when they were both in the Senate. (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/upshot/the-senate-votes-that-divided-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders.html)

They'd probably be even closer today.

But sure, he agrees more with a racist, conservative, authoritarian baffoon who literally disagrees with him on basically every point of his policies than Hillary. OK.

And you want to be taken seriously in political discussions? ::)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 25, 2016, 11:22:05 PM

SUPER GLASS-STEAGALL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 11:23:22 PM

Did AIA already go to sleep?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 11:35:00 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/24/public-editor/liz-spayd-the-new-york-times-public-editor.html

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Emails like these stream into this office every day. A perception that The Times is biased prompts some of the most frequent complaints from readers. Only they arrive so frequently, and have for so long, that the objections no longer land with much heft.

Like the tiresome bore at a party, I went around asking several journalists in the newsroom about these claims that The Times sways to the left. Mostly I was met with a roll of the eyes. All sides hate us, they said. We’re tough on everyone. That’s nothing new here.

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How about all the reader comments attached to political articles? On most days, conservatives occupy just a few back-row seats in this giant liberal echo chamber, not because Republicans are screened out by editors but because they don’t show up in the first place. Bassey Etim, who oversees the comments forum, makes a point of salting conservative voices into the week’s list of top commenters. “It just makes the conversation more dynamic and interesting,” he says.

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na here 1 day ago
I think the Times' coverage is not liberal, but neo-liberal. Consider:

1. Soft handling of illegal immigration with a blanket refusal to consider the cost to our society. Or, that the scale of it represents corporate welfare
2. No coverage of the lack of stable living-wage jobs in large swaths of the country due to outsourcing and immigration (legal and illegal). Particularly, the effect on the most vulnerable citizens, including African-Americans.
3. Inadequate and biased coverage of the Bernie Sanders campaign
4. No hard-hitting reporting of Wall Street excesses - either before or after the 2008 crash. The same goes for Silicon Valley and its excesses.
5. Promotion of diversity that borders on fostering divisiveness (I am not white)
6. No critical treatment of trade deals, particularly with China.

What draws me to the NYT is not so much the reporting and certainly not the op-ed pages. Rather, it is the comments sections which are thoughtful and thought-provoking, and illuminate and inform better than the comment sections of any other newspaper or magazine.

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Jeo New York City 1 day ago
The new Public Editor claims to be drawing no conclusions, just making a preliminary investigation into why the NYT is "seen as liberal".

She should be aware that in fact to an entire segment of the population, most visible in opinions voiced online in the liberal and progressive blogosphere, the NYT is in fact seen as conservative. The presence of conservative voices like Ross Douthat, David Brooks, and Frank Bruni, among others, outnumbering the smattering of unabashedly liberal voices like Paul Krugman may provide a clue as to why.

The news that the editors "salt" the top comments with cherry picked conservatives is revealing. So not only does the NYT spend decades hiring conservative columnists until they outnumber the liberals in a quest to get the likes of Rush Limbaugh to stop complaining (good luck), it actually gives preference to conservative commenters and essentially falsifies its "sampling" of opinions, to appease the right wing critics.

After all that, it hires a public editor who looks at what it has wrought and says you know, maybe we *are* just too darn liberal! And thus surrenders once and for all to the fear of talk radio and FOX News calling it names.

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Erika Atlanta, GA 1 day ago
Oh, goodness gracious, Ms. Spayd. (And when I use that phrase, please feel free to translate it into something much more profane.) Let's just call a spade a Spayd: I will say right now - like Ms. Tyra Banks: I was rooting for you! We were all rooting for you! But here you go and talk about what others have described so well as false equivalency: The NYT opinion page.

The NYT has taken great care in the past decade or more (have you been reading it?) to include conservative voices, most notably Mr. Brooks, Mr. Douthat, and Mr. Bruni. Others have also come and gone. Unlike your faulty hypothesis they have been given undue influence in this country. The people who run this country read those folks. And what has that accomplished for this country? The rise of Donald J. Trump and Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell; and the rise of John Roberts and Samuel Alito, who along with Clarence Thomas may be the downfall of this country. And you're sitting here writing: "A paper whose journalism appeals to only half the country has a dangerously severed public mission. And a news organization trying to survive off revenue from readers shouldn’t erase American conservatives from its list of prospects."

No. NO. NO. It's Sunday, but the fictional Sunday morning truce on "The Wire" is off today for me. You are playing the role of a cigarette lighter to some dry brush in California. Your "broad slice of readers" would happily hang half the people in this country if they had a choice.

Stop it.

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:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 11:36:19 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:08:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 25, 2016, 10:03:41 PM

If you don't like Michelle Obama I can't fuck with you
:rejoice

Go up and respect my video apology to BrandNew. And nah dude, she's as fraud as dollar hot dogs quality my mans.

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(http://i.imgur.com/QuJ9J3A.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 11:39:53 PM

why is 2pac masturbating behind a cop?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Trent Dole on July 25, 2016, 11:42:41 PM

Quote from: Pallando on July 25, 2016, 05:29:51 PM

You have to wonder if this is the first election some Bernie stans have participated in. :doge

He's very popular with college-age folks, so yes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Trent Dole on July 25, 2016, 11:44:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:06:40 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 25, 2016, 09:04:51 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents out themselves on live TV isn't as tasty as I thought it would be. Damnit.

Sorry you guys I can't even rip you as this shit is all that need be said.

Hmmmm

If you don't think that party of full of "better than you" people then you really should start that expedition to Peru next week. I mean c'mon man, are you even listening to them?

You're the smuggest fucktard here, nicca.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2016, 11:50:25 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 11:23:22 PM

Did AIA already go to sleep?

It stopped being fun for him when good speakers came out, I guess. Sad!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 25, 2016, 11:54:03 PM

Old people need to go to bed early too.

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Why you still up Human?

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 25, 2016, 11:56:43 PM

I've been dead inside for like 10 years, no need to sleep

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 11:57:09 PM

Dinesh D'Souza with hard hitting convention analysis on Hannity :punch

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 12:01:27 AM

It'd be hard to have him on talking about Hillary without saying something like "Dinesh, you have experience with the criminal justice system, where do Hillary's crimes stand?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 12:13:28 AM

I was watching MSNBC last week and they were telling me about how Ted Cruz showed that no party has ever been divided as much as the GOP.

Now I'm watching FOX and they're telling me how no party has ever been divided and how this convention is actually making the Democrats more divided.

American politics is so complex in its nuances and details.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 12:16:41 AM

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One clear takeaway from our post convention polling is that Trump's family may be the best surrogates he has. Trump's children get a collective 51/21 favorability rating from voters in Ohio, and voters appear to be pretty nonplussed by Melania's plagiarism scandal as she comes in at 43/30 favorability. Among the political figures who spoke at the convention Ben Carson (49/34 favorability) and Rudy Giuliani (45/33) fare well with Ohioans while Newt Gingrich (38/42) and Chris Christie (32/46) don't do as hot.

The biggest loser from the convention is Ted Cruz though. He has an 18/65 favorability rating with Ohio voters, making him by far and away the least popular figure in our poll. Even among Republicans he's at just 23/61. We asked GOP voters who they would support in a hypothetical primary contest between Trump and Cruz, and Trump wins out 61-19.

Mike Pence didn't make a strong impression on voters in Ohio one way or another. A 40% plurality came out of the convention with no opinion. Among those who do have one, 33% see him favorably to 27% with a negative view. 53% of voters say Pence's selection has no bearing on their likelihood to vote for Trump one way or another, with 21% saying Pence makes them more likely to vote for Trump and 22% less likely. That just makes Pence normal in the pantheon of Vice Presidential selections, which rarely have much impact on the race.

One of the defining memories of the Republican convention will be the chants of 'Lock Her Up' and that mantra represents the thinking of the overwhelming majority of Trump voters. 74% of them think Clinton should be in prison, to only 11% who say that they disagree with that sentiment. A plurality of Trump voters- 38%- also agree with Carson's assertion that Clinton has ties to Lucifer compared to just 35% who think that's not the case. And only 47% of Trump voters disavow Steve King's claim that white people have contributed more to civilization than any other subgroup with 23% outright agreeing with that line of thought.

How can 35% of Trump voters be so ignorant about Hillary?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2016, 12:24:54 AM

That's not really a 'I actually believe she has ties to Lucifer' and more like 'I don't like her therefor I'll say yes'. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2016, 12:27:03 AM

O wait you were making a joke.

I'm getting old and going to bed. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: mormapope on July 26, 2016, 12:35:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWcALZ71N4c

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Boring, centrist Democrat vs. Literally the Anti-Christ
Post by: chronovore on July 26, 2016, 01:33:50 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 23, 2016, 01:08:08 PM

2(https://www.nps.gov/inde/images/Highsmith-1625-Detail-300_1.jpg)16

It's sad, because you know we all just want:
2(http://i.imgur.com/7EOLGAbt.png)16

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Syph on July 26, 2016, 02:06:20 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 10:39:02 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2016, 10:36:16 PM

The best thing about Trump winning will be seeing him get beat to a pulp in 2020 by Warren. :lawd

At this Point I tend to think Warren/Obama in any order  would be unbeatable. For Sure.

wait these were both joke posts right?
 :beli

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2016, 02:54:42 AM

Bernie Sanders Delivers Rousing Speech at Democratic Convention: "I'm Proud to Stand With Her" (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/watch-bernie-sanders-speak-live-914422)

AiA post if you're OK/awake

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 03:01:26 AM

Bernie was saving his own skin, he knows what happens to those who cross the Clintonistas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Sanders just wants to watch the party burn
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 26, 2016, 03:13:58 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 26, 2016, 02:54:42 AM

Bernie Sanders Delivers Rousing Speech at Democratic Convention: "I'm Proud to Stand With Her" (http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/watch-bernie-sanders-speak-live-914422)

AiA post if you're OK/awake

I wish you fucks would read and not just assume I'm a Trump guy, of which I am not.

In the meantime, this is your party

http://www.cleveland.com/open/index.ssf/2016/07/democratic_staffers_suggested.html#incart_m-rpt-1


Keep it classy, fellas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: bluemax on July 26, 2016, 03:42:22 AM

AiA is the worst joke poster since Creepy Stalker.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 26, 2016, 07:57:12 AM

Be careful if you mention Creepy Stalker three times on a single page he will come back.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 26, 2016, 07:57:57 AM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 26, 2016, 07:59:42 AM

Oh no I saw that before your edit

IT KNOWS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 26, 2016, 08:00:53 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on July 26, 2016, 07:59:42 AM

Oh no I saw that before your edit

IT KNOWS

I'm tired of trolling so I'm moving on.

In case anyone cares (you shouldn't), it was the DNC trying to take down people holding Bernie signs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 26, 2016, 08:05:59 AM

Is Walrus there somewhere helping?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 08:18:04 AM

Another "news" organization has to rush out an explainer to unskew the polls:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/ap-explains-trumps-convention-polling-bump-real-40881522

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AP EXPLAINS: Is Trump's Convention Polling Bump for Real?

Meanwhile the convention is a mess:
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/25/no-visible-american-flags-present-at-the-democrat-convention/

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The Daily Caller is at the Democratic National Convention and it doesn’t look like there are any American flags.

The stage is bland and grey, with no red, white or blue present. A thorough look at the crowd present also turns up no American flags.

(http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/072416dnc2cr_130652991.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=640)

http://dennismichaellynch.com/dnc-breaks-federal-law-at-convention-violation-of-section-8-u-s-code-%C2%A7-1324/

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The DNC aided and abetted two illegal aliens on Monday night during the nationally televised DNC Convention 2016 in Philadelphia.  Thus, according to the law, the DNC twice violated Section 8 U.S. Code 1324.

At 8:04pm local time, the DNC invited an illegal alien to accompany her daughter to tout Hillary Clinton for president. During her speech, which was televised on national TV, the daughter explicitly said her mother is in the United States illegally.  Minutes before the mother and daughter team took to the stage, the DNC played a video showing the daughter communicating with Hillary Clinton during one of her tour stops in Nevada.  It was then that the daughter (Karla) admitted to Hillary Clinton that her mother (Francisca) received a government issued letter of deportation.  Clearly, the mother is ignoring the deportation order, and so to is the DNC and Hillary Clinton.

Following the mother / daughter act, another illegal alien took to the podium at 8:09pm local time.  Her name is Astrid Silva, and she said in clear english, “I came to America illegally with my mother when I was 4-years old.  We crossed the river [Rio Grande] on a raft.”

Aside from illegally harboring two illegal aliens, it would be interesting to learn how the illegal aliens traveled to Philadelphia and who paid for the travel arrangements?  Furthermore, where are they staying this evening and who paid for the lodging?

What a disaster.

(http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/072416dnc9cr_130653537.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=775)(http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/072416dnc10cr_130653529.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=810)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2016/07/24/hillarys-america-documentary-cracks-top-10-box-office/87506198/

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The documentary Hillary's America: The Secret History of the Democratic Party, highly critical of presumptive nominee Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, cracked into film's top 10 winners at the box office for the weekend.

Hillary's America has landed in the 10th spot with $3.7 million in 1,217 theaters for a two-week total of $3.8 million, according to comScore.

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In an emailed statement to USA TODAY, D'Souza said the movie is based on "facts that really can't be denied."

"The importance of this movie being released after the Republican convention and before the Democratic convention is to give people a factual understanding of the roots of the Democratic party and some vaccination or inoculation against the propaganda viruses that are going to be unleashed at the Democratic convention," D'Souza wrote.

(https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/nypost_20160726_brxp-1_001.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=480)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 26, 2016, 08:21:56 AM

Bern it down is pretty good

also mad props to FSB for leaking this that's some great election engineering

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 26, 2016, 08:42:10 AM

DNC Calls courting Hispanics the Taco Bowl.  :lol

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: thisismyusername on July 26, 2016, 10:43:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 08:18:04 AM

http://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/072416dnc2cr_130652991.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=640

Where can I buy this? If I can put a strong magnet under two of them... :doge

Quote from: benjipwns on July 25, 2016, 09:08:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 25, 2016, 09:01:13 PM

I gotta tell ya. Watching your smug fucktard party and their equally stupid constituents

That was months ago:
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--vntggy6H--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/z8kzc3tvuqppyoxxpg5m.gif)

Why is Demi at the libertarian party?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 26, 2016, 11:42:16 AM

As NudeMacUsers likes to say "it's not the size of the hog in the party, it's the size of the party in the hog that matters."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on July 26, 2016, 12:12:10 PM

what the fuck are you talking about

(right now, but also i guess this applies to almost everything you post)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 26, 2016, 12:34:03 PM

From Facebook today I learned today that Millenials with student loan debt who are still able to live in New York are one of America's most downtrodden groups, but black people in the South don't matter much because they live in red states.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 26, 2016, 01:41:44 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on July 26, 2016, 12:12:10 PM

what the fuck are you talking about

(right now, but also i guess this applies to almost everything you post)

Such shots. So tough guy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: octopushover on July 26, 2016, 02:22:43 PM

lol SILENCED

what does that even mean



you're a delegate. you're the complete opposite of silenced. you are one of the few with an actual voice and you choose to put a piece of tape over your mouth.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 26, 2016, 03:30:11 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 26, 2016, 12:34:03 PM

From Facebook today I learned today that Millenials with student loan debt who are still able to live in New York are one of America's most downtrodden groups, but black people in the South don't matter much because they live in red states.

sanders 2020 amirite

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Trent Dole on July 26, 2016, 03:39:22 PM

If they want to matter they should move! :punch :gun

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 26, 2016, 03:45:46 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 26, 2016, 12:34:03 PM

From Facebook today I learned today that Millenials with student loan debt who are still able to live in New York are one of America's most downtrodden groups, but black people in the South don't matter much because they live in red states.

Democrats gonna taco bowl, Democrats gonna 86 spare ribs too.

:ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 26, 2016, 04:42:37 PM

Quote from: octopushover on July 26, 2016, 02:22:43 PM

lol SILENCED

what does that even mean

Protestors have set of moves and, like outfits in the week, sometimes they get reused.  Guessing the tape was left overs from a campus rape protest. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: thisismyusername on July 26, 2016, 05:15:12 PM

 :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw
 :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone

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https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13781839_837554376375780_6476743586980494635_n.jpg?oh=c84ebb8b01b066faf3fc19184a2f9ae1&oe=583603B7

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 :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw :nsfw
 :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone :nsfanyone

I'm glad to throw a grenade and nightmares into this thread if it means A_I_A will coherently post.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 26, 2016, 05:18:36 PM

Someone spent several hours on that.  Makes you think

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2016, 05:19:12 PM

goodness

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Trent Dole on July 26, 2016, 05:25:01 PM

Trump is Hillary's hooha?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2016, 05:29:43 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/Ptyzk.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2016, 05:57:14 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/LaqnEns.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wvcwON5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OTegRNe.jpg)
:rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: thisismyusername on July 26, 2016, 06:07:57 PM

Wow. Told by an American Idol celeb. :lol

In any case Anyone heard about this Child Rape case against Trump (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-bloom/why-the-new-child-rape-ca_b_10619944.html)?

Also while I'm linking articles Pretty Decent Article coming from Playboy (http://www.playboy.com/articles/hillary-clinton-policies-for-disabled-americans-progressive).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2016, 06:11:43 PM

Get schooled by Kelly Clarkson, brehs. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2016, 07:14:02 PM

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/hillary-clinton-makes-history-dnc-democratic-national-convention-914714

(http://i.imgur.com/JTjUML1.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 07:15:22 PM

Quote

Alvin Greene
@greeneforsenate

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote

Alvin Greene
@greeneforsenate

RECOUNT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2016, 07:21:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD08LtejIS8

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2016, 07:24:32 PM

Quote

Sanders then took the microphone to vote that all of his states votes go to Clinton. In a show of unity, he voted to "suspend the rules" and nominated Clinton by acclimation as the presidential candidate of the Democratic party.

[...]

Sanders has implored his supporters to not protest during the convention, but he's struggled to control his energized backers. Several hundred people gathered at Philadelphia's City Hall under a blazing sun Tuesday chanting "Bernie or bust."

[...]

"It is easy to boo," Sanders said in response. "But it is harder to look your kids in the face who would be living under a Donald Trump presidency."

:obama #StrongerTogether

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2016, 07:34:35 PM

"Bernie Sanders is running the most toxic campaign I've ever seen, I hope he gets cancer."
~nudemacusers

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Atramental on July 26, 2016, 07:38:05 PM

Quote

"It is easy to boo," Sanders said in response. "But it is harder to look your kids in the face who would be living under a Donald Trump presidency."

(https://media.giphy.com/media/oxLpLI0eNf3Wg/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2016, 07:45:05 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/ivanka-trump-fundraiser-cory-booker-094288

:hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: VomKriege on July 26, 2016, 07:56:22 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2016, 07:34:35 PM

"Bernie Sanders is running the most toxic campaign I've ever seen, I hope he gets cancer."
~nudemacusers

Bernie Sanders made a huge mistake endorsing Hillary, Bernie Sanders now guaranteed to be the DNC nominee

spoiler (click to show/hide)

The actual HA goodman quote :
In defeat, Bernie supporters are EVEN MORE POWERFUL. Now watch them kiss our ass weeks before November 8, 2016. Sorry, you cheated us badly

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2016, 07:59:47 PM

DNC MUST FALL IN LINE WITH BERNIE SANDERS, if not Bernie, DR. JILL STEIN, and if Trump beats Hillary Clinton, you asked for it Democrats

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 08:34:42 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoPCoGgXYAAMu7y.jpg:large)

 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2016, 08:35:21 PM

That blue hair

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 08:38:41 PM

Another #DNCLeak:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoP3CHSXEAEv_DO.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 26, 2016, 08:48:37 PM

Kelly Clarkson isn't an American Idol. She's THE American Idol. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 08:59:05 PM

(http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/tea_party89/12969552/35267/35267_640.jpg)

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(https://stateofmind13.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/kelly-clarkson-and-ron-paul.png)

Quote

I love Ron Paul. I liked him a lot during the last republican nomination and no one gave him a chance. If he wins the nomination for the Republican party in 2012 he’s got my vote. Too bad he probably won’t.

(http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Kely_Clarkson_Ron_Paul_tweets_1.jpg)

Quote

I am really sorry if I have offended anyone. Obviously that was not my intent. I do not support racism. I support gay rights, straight rights, women’s rights, men’s rights, white/black/purple/orange rights. I like Ron Paul because he believes in less government and letting the people (all of us) make the decisions and mold our country. That is all. Out of all of the Republican nominees, he’s my favorite.

:paul

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2016, 09:01:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fdlkCwZR2c
:tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: VomKriege on July 26, 2016, 09:04:25 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 26, 2016, 08:35:21 PM

That blue hair

That Bernie face sign on the left :lol

(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgya08IoCp1qfweivo1_400.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2016, 09:14:11 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 26, 2016, 08:35:21 PM

That blue hair

just fuck my shit up fam

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2016, 09:21:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2016, 09:01:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fdlkCwZR2c
:tocry

this is adorable  :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2016, 09:23:22 PM

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/758016385964384256
:dead

ether

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2016, 09:24:55 PM

Faux News' coverage is making it look like a Bernie/Black Lives Matter riot is starting to happen outside.

 :dead

The Bernie people already tried to take over the media tent and 50 of them got arrested.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2016, 10:05:32 PM

YO IT'S BIG BILL TIME

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2016, 10:08:12 PM

omg somehow I missed this from yesterday:

https://twitter.com/RandyRRQuaid/status/757655689921724421

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 26, 2016, 10:45:45 PM

Bill is rambling but it's a good speech regardless

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 26, 2016, 10:48:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 26, 2016, 09:23:22 PM

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/758016385964384256
:dead

ether

:sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2016, 11:02:24 PM

http://theslot.jezebel.com/watch-a-woman-older-than-her-right-to-vote-pledge-arizo-1784350642

:'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 27, 2016, 01:34:10 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/26/rachel_maddow_bill_clintons_convention_speech_was_not_very_feminist_shocking_and_rude.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 27, 2016, 02:14:42 AM

I too thought it was a problematic speech. I personally thought it was worth a 5 out 10 tumbrlinas at best. Gross.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 27, 2016, 07:38:33 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/politics/julian-assange-dnc-email-leak-hack/

Julian Assange: 'A lot more material' coming on US elections

It better be about the Republicans because if it was more about the Democrats, that would be unfair :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

/poligaf

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 27, 2016, 09:18:22 AM

You can't hack Klan kouriers so

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 27, 2016, 09:46:29 AM

Trump up by seven points in LA Times poll.  Before Pee Dee starts talking about demographics, it is adjusted on 2012 demographic election turnout and census surveys.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-daybreak-poll-methodology-20160714-snap-story.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: curly on July 27, 2016, 09:47:32 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on July 27, 2016, 02:14:42 AM

I too thought it was a problematic speech. I personally thought it was worth a 5 out 10 tumbrlinas at best. Gross.

Haha feminism

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 10:25:01 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 27, 2016, 09:46:29 AM

Trump up by seven points in LA Times poll.  Before Pee Dee starts talking about demographics, it is adjusted on 2012 demographic election turnout and census surveys.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-daybreak-poll-methodology-20160714-snap-story.html

Trump being up 7 points is not an outlier to you? Ok.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 10:29:09 AM

You all clinging real hard here, it's cute. That DNC bump isn't coming for Hillary. :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: curly on July 27, 2016, 10:57:27 AM

You'd be a much better troll if you weren't so fucking stupid

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 11:31:15 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 10:29:09 AM

You all clinging real hard here, it's cute. That DNC bump isn't coming for Hillary. :umad

https://www.predictit.org/

put some money on it. 35-37 cents a share for "Hillary no" or "Trump wins."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 11:41:13 AM

Quote from: curly on July 27, 2016, 10:57:27 AM

You'd be a much better troll if you weren't so fucking stupid

I love how my difference in political ideology makes me a troll.

Go back to gaf you hive-minded never will be.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2016, 11:41:56 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 27, 2016, 01:34:10 AM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/07/26/rachel_maddow_bill_clintons_convention_speech_was_not_very_feminist_shocking_and_rude.html

:comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 27, 2016, 12:08:51 PM

I saw a tweet  that said:

RNC: Billionaire complains how awful everything is

DNC: 2 grieving mothers talking about how great America is

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 12:25:19 PM

Pay me and I'll be glad to say whatever you want too :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 12:27:39 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on July 27, 2016, 12:08:51 PM

I saw a tweet  that said:

RNC: Billionaire complains how awful everything is

DNC: 2 grieving mothers talking about how great America is

Definitely my favorite Nudemacusers of the night.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2016, 12:30:55 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on July 27, 2016, 12:25:19 PM

Pay me and I'll be glad to say whatever you want too :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: VomKriege on July 27, 2016, 01:28:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 10:25:01 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 27, 2016, 09:46:29 AM

Trump up by seven points in LA Times poll.  Before Pee Dee starts talking about demographics, it is adjusted on 2012 demographic election turnout and census surveys.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-daybreak-poll-methodology-20160714-snap-story.html

Trump being up 7 points is not an outlier to you? Ok.

Trump wins election !
"Just a statistical outlier", Hillary supporters say

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 27, 2016, 01:37:26 PM

if Trump wins, the worse part with be Walrus making every second post be about how Bernie stole the election from Hilary.  That and the Muslim interment camps.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 01:39:39 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoYxeVTWYAA_-6m.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 27, 2016, 01:44:54 PM

I think all those recent low numbers just show how worthless conventions are in today's age.  In the era of 'The Big 3' networks their reach was immeasurable, now they are just targets for the opposition to tear down.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 27, 2016, 01:54:22 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on July 27, 2016, 01:28:42 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 10:25:01 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 27, 2016, 09:46:29 AM

Trump up by seven points in LA Times poll.  Before Pee Dee starts talking about demographics, it is adjusted on 2012 demographic election turnout and census surveys.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-usc-daybreak-poll-methodology-20160714-snap-story.html

Trump being up 7 points is not an outlier to you? Ok.

Trump wins election !
"Just a statistical outlier", Hillary supporters say

If Trump wins it will mean we happen to be in an anomalously shitty timeline of no importance to the greater state of the multiverse, yes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 02:41:57 PM

The Russia thing kind of exploded today.  Nothing seems to stick to Trump for too long, but this could possibly be it.  Especially with this:

https://twitter.com/MareikeAden/status/758325768900476928 (https://twitter.com/MareikeAden/status/758325768900476928)

But who knows, Trump voters aren't the brightest.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 02:57:21 PM

So you'd prefer we alienate another country for what? Give me one good goddamn reason. So stupid.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 27, 2016, 03:02:28 PM

There is a shit ton of Russian money in Trump's properties. It's one of the reasons he won't show his tax returns.

Comrade Trump  :ussrcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:03:14 PM

Ok, again what good comes from pissing Russia off? Go ahead...

Also there is a shit ton of democrat money on trump property too so what does that even mean?

I mean I hate trump but y'all making fools of yourselves.

Oh yeah and the reason he hasn't released is because Billary heavily invests so count your blessings.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 27, 2016, 03:05:54 PM

Trump would be the first pro-Russian candidate ever. Why would he piss off Russia? He's likely to personally deliver handys to putin. Trump campaign manager was on putin bankroll being campaign manager for the formerly ousted Ukrainian prez.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:06:23 PM

What the fuck is AiA talking about?  Has he been absent the past few years?  Russia is already pissed and alienated.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:06:55 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on July 27, 2016, 03:05:54 PM

Trump would be the first pro-Russian candidate ever. Why would he piss off Russia. He's likely to personally deliver handys to putin.

This isn't 1982 please make a more correct assumption. No reason to piss off Russia here. We hack the fuck out of them too. Act like we don't.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Rufus on July 27, 2016, 03:07:25 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 02:57:21 PM

So you'd prefer we alienate another country for what? Give me one good goddamn reason. So stupid.

So you don't alienate the rest of the region. Easter Europe kinda sorta counts on NATO to protect them from Russian strongarming.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:07:43 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:06:23 PM

What the fuck is AiA talking about?  Has he been absent the past few years?  Russia is already pissed and alienated.

Oh really last I checked we are partnering on a moon mission. Goddamnit your fucking liberals don't know shit about the real world but what is spoon fed to you.

Grow up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:08:46 PM

You honestly don't know what I'm talking about do you :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:08:56 PM

But let's all pretend we don't hack Russia. And we don't piss on them in Syria. Obama is shit for international leadership, always has been. Great for lifting people, terrible for lifting nations.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:10:45 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:08:46 PM

You honestly don't know what I'm talking about do you :doge

Yes. Our shitty president can't keep his fingers out of Turkeys butthole. Also the Saudi's. Who both hate us. He's a lot like most of you, spends most of his time trying to impress those who hate him rather than helping those who love him.

I hate arguing with liberals because you all refuse to accept we fuck a lot of shit up. We do.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:14:21 PM

Yes, those relationships were started by Obama and have no effect on anything.  We should end them now so Russia is happy :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:14:57 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:14:21 PM

Yes, those relationships were started by Obama and have no effect on anything.  We should end them now :doge

Feel free to point out which ones you're referring to. I'll wait for you to google them....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:17:18 PM

Good god the relationships you mentioned right above my post.  Get off the internet old man, you're losing it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:18:48 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:17:18 PM

Good god the relationships you mentioned right above my post.  Get off the internet old man, you're losing it.

What benefit is turkey to our future? Our Saudi Arabia? More than Russia? No. You need to learn before you start spouting shit you know nothing about.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2016, 03:22:15 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:18:48 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:17:18 PM

Good god the relationships you mentioned right above my post.  Get off the internet old man, you're losing it.

What benefit is turkey to our future? Our Saudi Arabia? More than Russia? No. You need to learn before you start spouting shit you know nothing about.

You're literally defending clear sedition.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:23:36 PM

AiA wants us to end relations with the largest oil producer in the world and a nato member state for relations with Putin ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:23:36 PM

AiA wants us to end relations with the largest oil producer in the world and a nato member state for relations with Putin ???

We are the largest oil reserve in the world.

Show off that lack of education some more. Sweet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: helios on July 27, 2016, 03:28:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:23:36 PM

AiA wants us to end relations with the largest oil producer in the world and a nato member state for relations with Putin ???

We are the largest oil reserve in the world.

Show off that lack of education some more. Sweet.

He said producer, though.

And I thought Venezuela had the largest oil reserves

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:30:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:23:36 PM

AiA wants us to end relations with the largest oil producer in the world and a nato member state for relations with Putin ???

We are the largest oil reserve in the world.

Show off that lack of education some more. Sweet.

WUT

http://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-world-s-largest-oil-reserves-by-country.html

It's been Venezuela for years if you're talking reserves (Id din't say that though I said producer).  We're the largest producer if you add in natural gas and other fuels, but for pure oil production it's been waffling between Russia and SA for years (probably Russia this year because they're dumb and desperate for money because they can't run an economy for shit)

Good christ these things take like 2 seconds to verify.  i mean, if you'd been actually paying attenetion to the news you'd know about Venezuela since they mention it every other article about the collapse of the country.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2016, 03:31:06 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:24:30 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:23:36 PM

AiA wants us to end relations with the largest oil producer in the world and a nato member state for relations with Putin ???

We are the largest oil reserve in the world.

Show off that lack of education some more. Sweet.

This is certifiably 100% false.  We're not even in the top ten for proven reserves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Rufus on July 27, 2016, 03:34:02 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:10:45 PM

I hate arguing with liberals because you all refuse to accept we fuck a lot of shit up. We do.

:lol

Here I thought "it's America's fault" was the attitude ascribed to liberals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 27, 2016, 03:35:17 PM

This is that part of the election cycle where political conversation is pretty much useless.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Boogie on July 27, 2016, 03:36:51 PM

Oh, is it time for our quarterly "AiA pretends he's an expert on International Relations" merry-go-round again already?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 27, 2016, 03:37:45 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:08:56 PM

But let's all pretend we don't hack Russia. And we don't piss on them in Syria. Obama is shit for international leadership, always has been. Great for lifting people, terrible for lifting nations.

The fact that I'm watching a voter defend a US presidential candidate asking Russia to commit cyberterrorism against the US with, "well, we do it too!" is making me seriously doubt the intelligence of the general population.

Fuck if someone on The Bore is this dumb, Trump might win it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2016, 03:39:18 PM

Quote from: Boogie on July 27, 2016, 03:36:51 PM

Oh, is it time for our quarterly "AiA pretends he's an expert on International Relations" merry-go-round again already?

He pretends he's an expert about EVERYTHING.  Sports, politics, money, love--all of it.  He's entirely self serving and aggressively hard headed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 27, 2016, 03:43:55 PM

Cmon Tasty, don't act like we're the cream of the crop here :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 03:47:04 PM

David Frum, Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, and a whole host of other establishment republicans have come out hard against Russia and Trump. But lo and behold defends Russia.
:heh

The easiest thing to do would have been to take the "remember when liberals were laughing at the idea of Russia being a geopolitical threat?" approach but nah. Another L for the L King.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: octopushover on July 27, 2016, 03:49:59 PM

aia is an ex-football player


getting his opinion on world affairs is almost literally like asking what ja rule thinks

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2016, 03:54:55 PM

It's not even that Trump might be open to friendlier relations with Russia, so much that he might actually just kick half of Eastern Europe [including NATO members] to the curb for no reason at all and let Putin do whatever the hell he wants.

And that's not even a theory, really, as he's already pretty much said exactly that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 27, 2016, 04:01:46 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 03:23:36 PM

AiA wants us to end relations with the largest oil producer in the world and a nato member state for relations with Putin ???

All at the same time he wants America to stop turning the other cheek and get hard on terrorism.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 27, 2016, 04:04:51 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 27, 2016, 03:43:55 PM

Cmon Tasty, don't act like we're the cream of the crop here :lol

I'm pretty dumb in most things but at least I take solace in the fact that I'm far less of a fool than Am.   Dude's high point in life was getting paid to get concussions for other people's amusement. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 27, 2016, 04:07:25 PM

 :letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 27, 2016, 04:12:18 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 27, 2016, 04:04:51 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 27, 2016, 03:43:55 PM

Cmon Tasty, don't act like we're the cream of the crop here :lol

I'm pretty dumb in most things but at least I take solace in the fact that I'm far less of a fool than Am.   Dude's high point in life was getting paid to get concussions for other people's amusement.

But did you know how much money he made?????

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Boogie on July 27, 2016, 04:21:58 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 27, 2016, 03:39:18 PM

Quote from: Boogie on July 27, 2016, 03:36:51 PM

Oh, is it time for our quarterly "AiA pretends he's an expert on International Relations" merry-go-round again already?

He pretends he's an expert about EVERYTHING.  Sports, politics, money, love--all of it.  He's entirely self serving and aggressively hard headed.

But enough about Donald Trump....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: VomKriege on July 27, 2016, 04:48:48 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 27, 2016, 03:37:45 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:08:56 PM

But let's all pretend we don't hack Russia. And we don't piss on them in Syria. Obama is shit for international leadership, always has been. Great for lifting people, terrible for lifting nations.

The fact that I'm watching a voter defend a US presidential candidate asking Russia to commit cyberterrorism against the US with, "well, we do it too!" is making me seriously doubt the intelligence of the general population.

Fuck if someone on The Bore is this dumb, Trump might win it.

Well, he's not exactly wrong on that first sentence, though. The USA and the former European "Great Powers" do that shit all the time. Doesn't mean voters should just shrug a possible influence off, if true that's certainly part of what they should know, but it's always funny to see the indignation when that shit is pulled the other way. Russia being propped up as a major scarecrow as tall as the Soviet menace was sometimes perceived to be is also a bit of a joke. The sheer demonization is ridiculous and it do participate in unneeded alienation of a major international actor. Obviously the USA & Western Europe will always in the near future stand on a different line than Russia & China but some sort of basic agreement on what sort of international statu quo is acceptable for all could maybe have helped in managing Syria, for instance.

And I say that as a stauch Atlantist who agrees that Polish or Baltic fears are not totally unfounded. Putin's Russia has plenty of real faults, no need adding a layer of fantasy over that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 27, 2016, 06:04:06 PM

The Russian connection isn't going to stick.  It's going to be tough to prove why Russian investment in Trump's properties is bad yet something like this (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html) is supposed to be harmless.  They can't so it will disappear.  A similar thing happened with the mafia connections months ago.

That's what happens when you have political candidates who are thoroughly corrupted: you lose the "moral high ground" angle of your campaign.  If it was someone who wasn't as bad as Clinton, it would be very bad for Trump but welp, here we are.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 27, 2016, 06:07:45 PM

Well, the Russian connection wouldn't stick if Trump didn't keep doing things that seem to bolster the accusations.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 27, 2016, 06:11:36 PM

The Crimea statement is thoroughly anti-NATO, if it doesn't ruffle feathers then something has gone terribly wrong somewhere.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 07:04:53 PM

Yes this Pre-Hillary L angst and name calling is fueling everything I need. Keep it up. This loss gonna taste like Champipple when it's all said and done.

:hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 07:05:52 PM

oops double post and counting shale oil nobody has more than us :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 27, 2016, 07:13:52 PM

You actually gonna celebrate Trump winning, breh?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 07:15:39 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on July 27, 2016, 07:13:52 PM

You actually gonna celebrate Trump winning, breh?

Nah but secretly watching all these international experts who have never left their state for more than a week or two muttering excuses will be a personal W.

Remember I called the Cavs. So doubt me now, really :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 07:21:20 PM

And honestly even if Hillary wins she will never be Obama or her Husband. Whom both I respect. She's in this for all the wrong reasons. At least Trump(I guess like me) is honest about the quest for self glory. 

So I can either tell you exactly how I feel or I can play lollipops and ensure you that your idea is fantastic.

I dunno I grew up with a man who was always honest in his opinions.

:dunno

Know this;

If I don't like you, you'll be the first to know it.

If I like you and I say I'll pick you up at 6am, I'll be there at 5:30.

There. As much human as I'll do this year.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 07:26:16 PM

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

Of course there's the argument that no one is truly qualified to be president considering that no job carries close to the same weight or power. Who was truly eligible to be "Commander-in-Chief" outside of Eisenhower, Grant, etc?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 27, 2016, 08:25:25 PM

What did HWB successfully cover up?  Nothing.  What is the one thing that would stop you from being president having been elected?  Not successfully covering up stuff, a la shameful Dick.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2016, 09:12:33 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 27, 2016, 08:25:25 PM

What did HWB successfully cover up?  Nothing.  What is the one thing that would stop you from being president having been elected?  Not successfully covering up stuff, a la shameful Dick.

Iran-Contra

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mandark on July 27, 2016, 09:23:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 07:26:16 PM

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

I take your point, but of all the people to bring up... Ike?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 27, 2016, 09:27:19 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 07:26:16 PM

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

Of course there's the argument that no one is truly qualified to be president considering that no job carries close to the same weight or power. Who was truly eligible to be "Commander-in-Chief" outside of Eisenhower, Grant, etc?

stop being sexist!1!!1!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: curly on July 27, 2016, 09:41:34 PM

Bloomberg makes me want to vomit. Does anyone even like him at this point?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Boogie on July 27, 2016, 09:48:28 PM

Quote from: curly on July 27, 2016, 09:41:34 PM

Bloomberg makes me want to vomit. Does anyone even like him at this point?

Thought he nailed his speech actually.   Burned the Donald pretty good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2016, 10:18:06 PM

Kaine is so white bread. Zzzzzz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mandark on July 27, 2016, 10:30:04 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoavRroUMAAYkXm.jpg)


I didn't realize young Tim Kaine was that hot.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2016, 10:41:25 PM

Kaine's trump stuff was greeat

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 27, 2016, 10:42:00 PM

Quote from: Mandark on July 27, 2016, 09:23:03 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 07:26:16 PM

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador? Or Eisenhower?

I take your point, but of all the people to bring up... Ike?

If you think there is any presidential criteron better than killing Nazi's, I'd like to hear it. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2016, 10:53:37 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tMCW4kDs4c

DIAMOND JOE :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2016, 10:55:09 PM

Why can't I vote for Obama again :tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 27, 2016, 10:57:22 PM

You basically are. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mandark on July 27, 2016, 11:02:24 PM

Biden can't go telling people not to applaud right before breaking out the Malarky, c'mon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2016, 11:45:37 PM

DNC - All three previous Democratic Presidents still alive either speaking on stage or by video in support of the current candidate

RNC - Both previous Republican Presidents still alive stayed home because they can't stand the current candidate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Boogie on July 27, 2016, 11:45:50 PM

That speech, gawdammn.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 27, 2016, 11:48:13 PM

God bless that man.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 12:16:25 AM

I'll wait for AiA's take.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 28, 2016, 12:21:46 AM

Old man is asleep, but it'll basically be:

Quote

Y'all stupid liberals fell for rhetoric again  :neogaf

Trust me.  Obama isn't gonna help with SHIT on this election because y'all chose a self-serving biatch.  Go back to your echo chambers, you destitute never-gonna-bes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: curly on July 28, 2016, 12:36:40 AM

Too coherent to be him

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 28, 2016, 12:37:39 AM

Quote from: curly on July 28, 2016, 12:36:40 AM

Too coherent to be him

->

Quote from: AiA

Lol keep staying mad.  Shows how much education you have.  Liberal idiot.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 01:03:41 AM

Good speech. Another classic from Barry O.
:whew

Democrats chanting USA, advocating American exceptionalism, and discussing faith.
:ohhh

Did we see a re-alignment brehs. Trump is doing long term damage to the GOP.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 28, 2016, 01:35:08 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 01:03:41 AM

Good speech. Another classic from Barry O.
:whew

Democrats chanting USA, advocating American exceptionalism, and discussing faith.
:ohhh

Did we see a re-alignment brehs. Trump is doing long term damage to the GOP.

I won't even begin to believe that until the tallies are back from 2018. Every time the GOP looks down, they come back like a horror movie villain, stronger then ever. The freakout over Obama could make the inevitable one over Hilary look restrained and civil for all we know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Kara on July 28, 2016, 01:40:06 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 07:26:16 PM

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador?

You live in a place where, in the not so distant past, an individual penned a New York Times bestseller whose title and contents recalled Thomas Paine's Common Sense--a political writing in which the words "No nation ought to be without a [national] debt." are written without the slightest hint of insincerity--as part of an allegedly anti-tax political movement that was as much a LARP of dubious historical-sartorial accuracy as it was another misbegotten entry in the 20 some odd year long horror movie known as the American Body Politic with no particular repercussion whatsoever, yet you are bemused that your fellow Americans continue to display a tenuous, possibly (probably) nonexistent grasp of their own oft-lauded history? I don't want to be a dick but...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 28, 2016, 02:32:57 AM

Hillary is so thoroughly unlikeable, Michelle on the other hand...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Let's Cyber on July 28, 2016, 04:41:26 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 27, 2016, 11:45:37 PM

DNC - All three previous Democratic Presidents still alive either speaking on stage or by video in support of the current candidate

RNC - Both previous Republican Presidents still alive stayed home because they can't stand the current candidate

I don't ususally buy into the rah-rah nature of the conventions but it did feel special to see such a united front on the Democratic side the last few days.  Especially after the Dana White/Scott Baio/Trump's friends and children shitshow last week.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 04:54:14 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 27, 2016, 09:12:33 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 27, 2016, 08:25:25 PM

What did HWB successfully cover up?  Nothing.  What is the one thing that would stop you from being president having been elected?  Not successfully covering up stuff, a la shameful Dick.

Iran-Contra

Also, the JFK Assassination and the Bay of Pigs through his phony oil company.

Not to mention: http://www.theonion.com/issue/3734/

Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 27, 2016, 01:44:54 PM

I think all those recent low numbers just show how worthless conventions are in today's age.  In the era of 'The Big 3' networks their reach was immeasurable, now they are just targets for the opposition to tear down.

I think it's finally sunk in as well to the general public that they aren't anything more than partisan pep-rallies since 1988-ish. That's why we've had the media salivating over the last month over WHAT WOULD THE NEVERTRUMPERS AND SANDERS PEOPLE DO?!?!? And then covered booing with BREAKING NEWS chryons. You would have died from alcohol poisoning if you drank every time somebody in the media mentioned the Anti-TPP signs at the DNC the last three nights.

IIRC the ratings the last few years, people just watch the Presidential candidate, and maybe the VP if they're getting hype/are unknown like Palin was.

Speaking of things I'm probably remembering wrong, didn't the headline speeches used to be way earlier? I felt like Bush and Kerry gave theirs at like 9:30 or something, the talking heads could do their thing and still get out in time for the 11 o'clock local news. Not starting at 10:45 stretching towards midnight like Trump/Obama/Sanders/etc. have done.

This is probably something I could just look up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 04:59:08 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:06:55 PM

This isn't 1982 please make a more correct assumption. No reason to piss off Russia here.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 03:07:43 PM

Oh really last I checked we are partnering on a moon mission. Goddamnit your fucking liberals don't know shit about the real world but what is spoon fed to you.

Grow up.

I see somebody has their DNC talking points down.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVQu18OWko

Quote

“Two decades after the end of the cold war, Mitt Romney still considers Russia to be America’s ‘No. 1 geopolitical foe.’ His comments display either a shocking lack of knowledge about international affairs or just craven politics. Either way, they are reckless and unworthy of a major presidential contender.”—editorial, New York Times, March 29, 2012

Quote

“And [Romney’s] unscripted moments have not inspired confidence: calling Russia America’s greatest foe, for example.”—editorial, Washington Post, Oct. 25, 2012

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:teehee

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Momo on July 28, 2016, 05:26:09 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1253853 are you guy's buying this campaign to sweep all these factual emails under the rug under the cover of 'RUSSIA DID IT'?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 07:14:40 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-democrats-well-deserved-wikileaks-blowback/2016/07/27/ab15766c-5402-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html

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Over at the CIA and the National Security Agency headquarters, they must be really enjoying watching Democrats in Philadelphia squirm over WikiLeaks’s exposure of tens of thousands of internal Democratic Party emails. There’s a word for what is happening in the intelligence community:

Blowback.

Throughout the entirety of the Obama administration, nothing was done as WikiLeaks damaged our national security with its serial leaks of highly classified intelligence documents.

Quote

When in 2015 WikiLeaks released documents revealing that the U.S. government was spying on its allies, including listening in on the phone calls of three French presidents — nothing was done.

When in 2016 WikiLeaks published secret details of European Union military operations to intercept refugee boats traveling to Europe from the regions along the Libyan coast infested with terrorists from the Islamic State, nothing was done.

When in 2016 WikiLeaks exposed top-secret documents describing NSA intercepts of foreign government communications — including a private climate-change strategy meeting between United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon and German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Berlin — nothing was done.

But WikiLeaks has finally crossed a “red line” (pun intended) that has earned it the Democrats’ outrage. Instead of targeting the CIA or the NSA, WikiLeaks has gone after an organization Democrats actually care about — the Democratic National Committee.

Quote

Democrats have no one to blame but themselves for this debacle. As I pointed out in The Post on August 2010, there were many steps the Obama administration could have taken to stop WikiLeaks. It could have indicted Assange and his fellow WikiLeaks staffers and made clear that the United States will not tolerate any country — particularly NATO allies — providing them with a haven. They could have sought their extradition and — if the countries where they were hiding refused to cooperate — used existing Justice Department authorities to arrest them anywhere in the world, with or without those countries’ consent. They could have used the assets of U.S. Cyber Command to carry out cyberattacks on WikiLeaks servers to disrupt its ability to disseminate classified information that puts lives at risk.

Quote

Now Democrats are paying the price for Obama’s inaction. And WikiLeaks promises there is more to come. In an interview with CNN this week, Assange said he might soon release “a lot more material.” That should have Democrats terrified.

Apparently, exposing intelligence sources and methods has not mattered enough for the Obama administration to do something about WikiLeaks. Maybe saving Hillary Clinton from further embarrassment, or worse, will finally spur them to action.

:neogaf Marc Thiessen :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 09:25:37 AM

And he promised to join the party and be a Democrat from now on! Walrus was right all along!

Quote

Bernie Sanders said he plans to return to the Senate as an independent, despite winning 13 million votes in the Democratic Party’s presidential primary contest.

“I was elected as an independent; I’ll stay two years more as an independent,” Mr. Sanders said.

Speaking at the Bloomberg Politics breakfast on Tuesday, Mr. Sanders also said the resignation of Debbie Wasserman Schultz as chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee doesn’t go far enough in fixing the situation and that more staff members need to leave following embarrassing disclosures of thousands of internal emails.

“We need a DNC which has as very different direction,” he said. “I honestly don’t know many of the people there. But my guess is we’re going to need new leadership, a new direction and new personnel.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 28, 2016, 09:35:40 AM

http://www.syracuse.com/celebrity-news/index.ssf/2016/07/bradley_cooper_dnc_american_sniper_republican.html

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 09:49:41 AM

Quote

Jacquelyn Gray @JacquelynMGray
SPOILER: Bradley Cooper isn't Chris Kyle. Just like Mark Ruffalo doesn't really grow to nine feet and turn green when he gets angry.

Are we sure?

Quote

"When I was a young actor, if you came to my apartment, you would have seen pictures and photos hung in the most bizarre places, where they were covering holes in the wall from auditions that I didn't get or slights that I felt I had suffered where things were thrown cups were thrown at the walls."

But the actor added: "I'm no stranger to that kind of anger and rage, but over time, I've [become] like a rock that's spent many times being tumbled around in the sea, I’ve sort of gotten the edges polished off of me. I'm not fighting the same fights that I was back then, the same demons."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2016, 10:45:39 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/f3vzUwI.png)

That feeling when Obama hits you up :obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 11:17:23 AM

Typical online male messaging opening line: "hey"

He clearly has an ulterior motive, wants something from you. And he'll probably talk shit about you if you say no. Ghost him, it's the only way to make sure you're not drone struck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 28, 2016, 11:21:25 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/IFRTMQa.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 11:42:52 AM

Quote from: Kara on July 28, 2016, 01:40:06 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 27, 2016, 07:26:16 PM

Can someone explain the "Hillary is the most qualified person to EVER run for president" mantra? How exactly is she more qualified than HW Bush for instance, who was VP for 8 years, director of the CIA, a congressman, and an ambassador?

You live in a place where, in the not so distant past, an individual penned a New York Times bestseller whose title and contents recalled Thomas Paine's Common Sense--a political writing in which the words "No nation ought to be without a [national] debt." are written without the slightest hint of insincerity--as part of an allegedly anti-tax political movement that was as much a LARP of dubious historical-sartorial accuracy as it was another misbegotten entry in the 20 some odd year long horror movie known as the American Body Politic with no particular repercussion whatsoever, yet you are bemused that your fellow Americans continue to display a tenuous, possibly (probably) nonexistent grasp of their own oft-lauded history? I don't want to be a dick but...

Not the general public. This is coming from the Hillary campaign and democrats in general as a talking point. Yea I shouldn't take talking points seriously but it still seems so transparent and weak.

Mandark: I included Eisenhower due to his experience as a Supreme Allied Commander. That type of executive experience seems to prepare someone for the responsibility and power of being president more than most things. Didn't prepare him for domestic policy of course, and his presidency reflected that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2016, 11:59:35 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 11:17:23 AM

Typical online male messaging opening line: "hey"

He clearly has an ulterior motive, wants something from you. And he'll probably talk shit about you if you say no. Ghost him, it's the only way to make sure you're not drone struck.

I had to read between the lines but I think he wants me to pay for sex with him. I have to "donate" to Hillary to get some.

I'm in.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 28, 2016, 12:11:36 PM

One of my distant, very conservative, relations was drunk last night messaging me about Obama.  Guy is 67 and retired :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 28, 2016, 01:24:29 PM

https://twitter.com/DanaSchwartzzz/status/758351185078263808 (https://twitter.com/DanaSchwartzzz/status/758351185078263808)

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 01:26:39 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 28, 2016, 12:11:36 PM

One of my distant, very conservative, relations was drunk last night messaging me about Obama.  Guy is 67 and retired :dead

:heh
what did he say

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 28, 2016, 01:34:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 01:26:39 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on July 28, 2016, 12:11:36 PM

One of my distant, very conservative, relations was drunk last night messaging me about Obama.  Guy is 67 and retired :dead

:heh
what did he say

A lot of swearing and talking about "your President".  It was 11:30 where he is.  i'm debating whether or not to tell my Dad, who's his cousin.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 28, 2016, 01:35:04 PM

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/758469749508562945

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2016, 01:45:02 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on July 28, 2016, 01:35:04 PM

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/758469749508562945

Joe Biden made The Onion great again.  :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 01:45:21 PM

He's not saying anything really, like Mitt Romney never paid any taxes, just that he heard and maybe you know, it's just something out there.

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Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is advising intelligence officials that if they end up giving GOP presidential nominee Donald Trump classified briefings during the campaign, they should just fake it and make sure not to divulge anything important.

“How would the CIA and the other intelligence agencies brief this guy? How could they do that? I would suggest to the intelligence agencies, if you’re forced to brief this guy, don’t tell him anything, just fake it, because this man is dangerous,” Reid said in an interview with The Huffington Post Wednesday afternoon. “Fake it, pretend you’re doing a briefing, but you can’t give the guy any information.”

“This guy, he’s part of a foreign power,” Reid continued. “We knew he liked Putin before this, but this is quite ridiculous.”

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“I think Watergate was something that people understood. It was wrong, morally wrong, for the president of the United States to be involved in such trivia,” he said. “What Trump is talking about is much worse than Watergate. Absolutely.”

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Perhaps Trump, Reid suggested, could find out how extensive the damage is.

“I guess the only way we can find out is perhaps Donald can call Putin and say, ‘what else do you have?’” Reid said.

“We know there are connections between Putin and Trump. How do we know that? He said so. And I’ve never heard Putin deny it. In fact, he has done just the opposite.”

Quote from: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/harry-reid-trump-fake-briefings_us_57991916e4b01180b5317f6e

Editor’s note: Donald Trump regularly incites political violence and is a serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist and birther who has repeatedly pledged to ban all Muslims ― 1.6 billion members of an entire religion ― from entering the U.S.

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Pierre Trombert
that make 2, first Tom Cotton with Iran, now Her Trump with Russia, keep going we will have to build a very long wall the the many more Republicans talking that way; it's going to be a very, very long and beautiful wall, the best wall you have never seen for traitors.

:leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Brehvolution on July 28, 2016, 01:51:58 PM

Quote

"Can you imagine what the GOP would say if Hillary rolled up to the convention with 5 kids from 3 different dudes?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2016, 01:55:25 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CoYpnqlXgAAxfVu.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 02:01:43 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on July 28, 2016, 01:51:58 PM

Quote

"Can you imagine what the GOP would say if Hillary rolled up to the convention with 5 kids from 3 different dudes?"

Or Obama
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 28, 2016, 02:18:28 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/sdndEac.jpg)

:rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2016, 02:22:43 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on July 28, 2016, 02:03:37 PM

Hillary was +1 in the new Ras poll, which could portend a nice convention bounce.

I also liked seeing Toomey losing in the Suffolk poll.

But AiA said she wouldn't get a convention bump

Are you telling me he was wrong?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2016, 02:23:18 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on July 28, 2016, 02:18:28 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/sdndEac.jpg)

:rofl

The real tragedy is that Trump's comment has more upvotes. :fbm

This fucken country

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Atramental on July 28, 2016, 02:55:06 PM

Speaking as someone who works in advertising, Trump understands that most Americans have the attention span of a gnat. Hence why he's so effective with his pithy phrases. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2016, 03:01:48 PM

Win or lose, I think we have to consider "Make America Great Again" to be one of the most effective campaign slogans ever.


We're such plebs.   :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 28, 2016, 03:09:25 PM

Trump is nothing if not a talented bullshiter

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 03:21:23 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 28, 2016, 02:22:43 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on July 28, 2016, 02:03:37 PM

Hillary was +1 in the new Ras poll, which could portend a nice convention bounce.

I also liked seeing Toomey losing in the Suffolk poll.

But AiA said she wouldn't get a convention bump

Are you telling me he was wrong?

VOX EXPLAINER: HOW TO INTERPRET ANY RASMUSSEN POLLS SHOWING A HILLARY LEAD (They count, unlike the ones for the past month showing Trump leads. And all the other polls in the last week that have shown Trump leads.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 03:22:23 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2016, 03:01:48 PM

Win or lose, I think we have to consider "Make America Great Again" to be one of the most effective campaign slogans ever.

We're such plebs.   :usacry

Lose? Ronaldus Magnus doesn't lose.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Let%27s_Make_America_Great_Again_button.jpeg/486px-Let%27s_Make_America_Great_Again_button.jpeg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 03:44:17 PM

Time to back up that bus over the body *beep beep beep*: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-debbie-wasserman-schultz-226352

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Debbie Wasserman Schultz wasn’t supposed to ask Joe Biden to come to her daughter’s bat mitzvah.

Democratic National Committee staff had sent the chair to the vice president armed with four specific requests for getting him involved in raising money for the party.

She decided to scrap them for two of her own.

First, she asked Biden to do a fundraiser for her own reelection to her House seat in Florida in the primary challenge she’s facing next month. He agreed.

The second was to get down to Boca Raton for the bat mitzvah.

Biden’s staff balked. They offered to tape a video message from him instead, hoping that would satisfy her.

Wasserman Schultz eagerly said yes. They played it for everyone who came.

The meeting with Biden was symptomatic of the way the DNC was veering off the rails just as the presidential election was heating up. More than a dozen people inside the party apparatus, speaking in the wake of Wasserman Schultz’s resignation on Sunday, describe an internal culture in which few felt they could challenge an increasingly imperious and politically tone-deaf chair who often put her own interests ahead of party functions.

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Wasserman Schultz battled to the end. But the dysfunction within the DNC had been mounting for months, according to interviews with over a dozen people in and around the organization. Wasserman Schultz’s detractors extend from party officials to the White House to the Clinton campaign — even though she was widely viewed as favoring Clinton. And many of them say they worry that the email drama has obscured the full picture of went wrong on Wasserman Schultz’s watch, which they worry won’t be fixed unless there’s a more complete airing.

“This [WikiLeaks release] didn’t peel back all the layers of the onion of incompetence,” said one person inside the DNC. “But it broke the fever.”

Neither the White House nor Clinton’s campaign made the moves to oust her earlier for fear of an untimely blowup. Her support of the Iran deal and the Trans-Pacific Partnership helped keep the West Wing from going too hard at her. But senior aides to Clinton and President Barack Obama had long ago run out of patience with what they saw as her attempts to constantly insert herself and clumsily try to ingratiate herself at Clinton’s Brooklyn headquarters.

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Wasserman Schultz refused, without direct explanation at the time, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s request to have three members of Congress testify at the first party platform committee meeting in early June, leading Pelosi to clear her schedule that day and show up herself to speak about House Democratic priorities.

When Obama agreed to do a DNC fundraiser in Miami in June — and in the end, went out of his way in his public remarks to talk about why Wasserman Schultz needed to be reelected — she for weeks hassled White House political director David Simas to get 10 of the 60 seats (which went for $10,000 each) at the event for her congressional reelection campaign’s biggest donors. She ended up filling the seats, according to people involved with planning the event, with family and friends.

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A decision about how much money to transfer to state parties that was supposed to be made in consultation with DNC officers was made unilaterally by Wasserman Schultz, and without warning, angering top brass.

The other DNC officers, directly aware of many of the problems and told by staff about others, were constantly talking to one another about what was going wrong and how to get around a chair who was adamant that she would stay through the end of her term in January.

“In the last eight weeks, there was a growing sense that it just wasn’t going to work, and it was only a matter of time,” one officer said.

Frustration within the DNC, the White House and the Clinton campaign was exacerbated by Wasserman Schultz’s efforts to raise her own profile by appearing more often on national television.

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“The biggest problem with the communications department right now is that we don’t put Debbie out there enough,” Miranda said at his first staff meeting after coming on board in September, according to people in the room.

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More and more, the DNC staff, the White House and the Clinton campaign simply wrote her off.

“There was nothing we could do with her, so we just stopped pretending,” another DNC staffer said. “She became so ineffective for the building that we just stopped using her.”

Meanwhile, Wasserman Schultz accentuated an existing divide with Amy Dacey, who as committee CEO was supposed to have control over all operations. She was often left out of the loop of decisions by the chair’s staff, sometimes leading to contradictory plans.

“One hand didn’t know what the other hand was doing,” lamented one state party chair.

After Clinton won the nomination in June, her campaign moved quickly to try to take control of the DNC. But when Brandon Davis, former political director of the Service Employees International Union, was brought in to the DNC by Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook to be the campaign’s eyes and ears in the party office, Wasserman Schultz made comments both in introducing him to the full staff and in private conversations encouraging people to see him as working for her.

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She hasn’t seen DNC staffers since she stopped by their meeting of shaken staff Sunday night, within hours of Obama calling her to accept her resignation.

“And all those scumbags who are giving you shit on social media,” she concluded, according to several attendees, “f--- them, they don’t know the first thing. They don’t know you.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 28, 2016, 05:11:57 PM

Quote from: Momo on July 28, 2016, 05:26:09 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1253853 are you guy's buying this campaign to sweep all these factual emails under the rug under the cover of 'RUSSIA DID IT'?

remember when they used to defend to the death wikileaks and all that jazz? but now that it involves hillary...never change gaf
also the title of that thread  :iface

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Take My Breh Away on July 28, 2016, 05:48:25 PM

Behold the most savage tweet of 2016

:bow https://twitter.com/BillKristol/status/758758123343581185  :bow2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 28, 2016, 05:57:18 PM

that's good, but still runner-up to Donald Jr's response to Weiner

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 28, 2016, 05:58:56 PM

Had to tell off a Bernie or Buster on FB. Walrus vindicated

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Atramental on July 28, 2016, 06:45:06 PM

https://medium.com/@ronaldwdixon/dont-be-fooled-why-bernie-sanders-supporters-should-stay-clear-of-gary-johnson-21321874ddc8#.nxjz5fv5p

 :heyman

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 28, 2016, 09:38:25 PM

Well Bernie supporters have been consistently trying to shit on the convention.  Their latest scheme:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CofGZnUWAAIVnLE.jpg)

The DNC has been installing white noise machines to drown out the boos so now they plan on wearing glow in the dark T-Shirts and changing the signs to "liar"

https://twitter.com/TheBradMielke/status/758820748811116546?lang=en

Overall it wasn't as bad as the 1968 convention but it was hardly the unity event people wanted it to be.

This guy's feed is covering all the various shenanigans going on tonight: https://twitter.com/TheBradMielke?lang=en

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 28, 2016, 09:46:19 PM

Jeez man, really embarrassing. I wanted to believe more of Bernie's supporters were, let's say, full wits

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 28, 2016, 10:08:57 PM

what the fuck is wrong with these people. I'm gonna assume that letter doesn't reflect most of the Sanders people in the area, or the delegates. I had read most of the delegates plan on walking out during her speech. Fine.

I have a feeling it won't simply be a walk out and instead they'll crash the speech somehow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 10:10:46 PM

https://twitter.com/TylerRuinsTV/status/758844945117564928

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 28, 2016, 10:11:26 PM

https://twitter.com/susanferrechio/status/758468360036245504/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 :comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 10:22:58 PM

Quote from: Syph on July 28, 2016, 10:11:26 PM

https://twitter.com/susanferrechio/status/758468360036245504/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 :comeon

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NavyMom 4Jill ‏@heykerrieannn  Jul 27
@susanferrechio @xpectolux No more war!

 Nancy ‏@womanfortrump16  Jul 27
@heykerrieannn @susanferrechio @xpectolux Why? So you can be under Islamic Rule Idiots

annihilated

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2016, 10:28:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMAcOadRzc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 28, 2016, 10:36:47 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CofYOg5UMAA0LEA.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 10:40:33 PM

BREAKING: HILLARY LIES, SAYS REPRESENTATIVES OF 13 COLONIES FIRST MET

FACTCHECK: IT WAS ONLY 12, GEORGIA TOOK MONTHS TO DECIDE ON ATTENDING

RATING: PANTS ON FIRE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 10:44:20 PM

CLAIM: Hillary says the United States is not weak.

FACTS: Donald Trump has disagreed and promised to Make America Great Again.

RULING: Mostly-False

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 28, 2016, 10:48:10 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 10:40:33 PM

BREAKING: HILLARY LIES, SAYS REPRESENTATIVES OF 13 COLONIES FIRST MET

FACTCHECK: IT WAS ONLY 12, GEORGIA TOOK MONTHS TO DECIDE ON ATTENDING

RATING: PANTS ON FIRE

it's funny cause I am reading a book that literally just went into depth on that lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2016, 11:01:23 PM

Why hasn't Hillary been citizen's arrested yet?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Coitus on July 28, 2016, 11:16:24 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on July 28, 2016, 11:01:23 PM

Why hasn't Hillary been citizen's arrested yet?

Because the system is rigged!  Stein/Johnson/Supreme 2016!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 11:26:59 PM

wow, harsh reviews came in fast: https://www.gop.com/what-they-are-saying-about-clintons-subpar-speech/

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.gop.com/who-is-xavier-becerra/

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Atramental on July 28, 2016, 11:34:35 PM

http://www.theonion.com/graphic/dnc-honors-historic-nominee-dropping-broken-glass--53379

 :teehee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 28, 2016, 11:41:36 PM

https://twitter.com/justin_fenton/status/758867873989136384

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2016, 01:54:14 AM

https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/758882324578570240

 :cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 29, 2016, 04:36:16 AM

Man have to say Hilaries speech was pretty damn good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 29, 2016, 04:53:34 AM

OH NO grammarz

thank god English is only my 4th language officially otherwise it might be embarrassing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on July 29, 2016, 07:19:31 AM

Small victories for small people

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 08:55:07 AM

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

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Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen:

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15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

18. Gain control of all student newspapers.

19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."

24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture."

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 29, 2016, 09:01:15 AM

.
 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 29, 2016, 09:39:01 AM

Communists are secretly behind all the things I don't like too.  Loud motorbikes and people walking too slow. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Atramental on July 29, 2016, 09:48:30 AM

Did somebody say... Degeneracy? :rash

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on July 29, 2016, 10:07:07 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2016, 01:54:14 AM

https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/758882324578570240

 :cac

She should've asked them their GAF name. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2016, 10:49:56 AM

That tweet seems like something something would write if they wanted a bunch of attention.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: mormapope on July 29, 2016, 11:01:59 AM

The one thing Hillary has always trumped Bernie on throughout this year is her supporters are unified, purposeful or not. There aren't multiple in-groups and infighting.

With Bernie, you have people that support him but know or recognize how this process or game is played. Then there's the people that cry out for a revolution like they're expecting the Bernster to show up with a armed militia and demand that this country is healed ASAP.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2016, 11:35:48 AM

Was a nice convention after the initial Bernie fans shitting the bed.

As always my opinion is Hillary is probably going to win the election, but never count out the stupidity of people to make the absolute wrong choice, i.e. Bush being elected twice.

I switched my preference to mail in voting a few weeks ago so I don't have to actually go down to the polling place.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 29, 2016, 11:36:36 AM

I just don't see how Trump wins Florida

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2016, 11:39:06 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 29, 2016, 11:36:36 AM

I just don't see how Trump wins Florida

I mean its always possible and its always going to be relatively close with it being Florida. There are plenty of "angry" white people in Florida. I live in one of the swing counties although it's been drifting more democratic in recent elections.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/local/hillsborough-county-floridas-true-presidential-bellwether/1259455

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 29, 2016, 12:15:10 PM

Missouri is a swing state now it appears

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2016, 12:27:13 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on July 29, 2016, 12:20:48 PM

I'm not really the biggest fan of Hillary(don't hate her or think she shouldn't be president either, mind you) but I really hate the narrative of there being two bad candidates you don't want to vote for. Nah, one is a boring centrist who'll just be OK at best while the other is an insult to the entire system for getting this far. There's no lesser of two evils here, there's one horrifying outcome while the other is just a typical politician. Go typical.

It's always been hip to pretend you are above politics and present a giant douche versus turd sandwich scenario. It's why political talk rarely rises above sports talk.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: mormapope on July 29, 2016, 12:50:29 PM

In reality, the choice is between your friend's mom that's overbearing, actively distrusts her arab neighbors next door, and throws out backhanded compliments. Versus your friend's dad who tells his son he can't bring brown people over, wants to fuck his daughter and her friends, and constantly moves from mansion to mansion to commit more fraud.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2016, 12:51:42 PM

https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/secretary-of-shade?utm_term=.sf3yyma3e#.yl3334K0l (https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/secretary-of-shade?utm_term=.sf3yyma3e#.yl3334K0l)

 :whew

Also wore it better

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2016, 12:53:18 PM

Fourth Circuit Court just struck down NC's voter ID law and re-instated same day registration and early voting.
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2016, 01:00:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkkk-oJ6bo

One of the best bits.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2016, 01:01:05 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 29, 2016, 12:53:18 PM

Fourth Circuit Court just struck down NC's voter ID law and re-instated same day registration and early voting.
:whew

How many of these stupid laws have been struck down now? TX, NC, who else? GOOD JON, ROBERTS COURT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 02:06:46 PM

Quote from: Dufus on July 29, 2016, 12:00:30 PM

My prediction:

Biggest turnout in history

That would be 82% of voting age population, we haven't gone over 60% since 1968. Above 62% since 1908.

We're going to have to really crack down on the darkies, women and 18-21 year olds voting to get that number back up for this year.

If you mean raw numbers, that's sorta like Trump's whole "most primary votes ever" boast, there's more people than ever.

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on July 29, 2016, 12:20:48 PM

I really hate the narrative of there being two bad candidates you don't want to vote for

Quote from: mormapope on July 29, 2016, 12:50:29 PM

In reality, the choice is between

Quote from: JayDubya on July 29, 2016, 01:57:12 PM

with the choice being between two

I reject your False Sophie's Choice. [presents alternative but equally false choice...am I doing this right Barack?]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 29, 2016, 02:06:58 PM

Oh no

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 29, 2016, 02:14:09 PM

Quote

“I remember with Mitt Romney four years ago, everybody wanted his, and his is a peanut compared to mine. It's like a peanut. It’s very small. Not nearly as big [...] I mean, mine, you saw the picture where it's two or three feet high,” Trump said.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2016, 02:16:32 PM

Accidentally reviving JayDubya to read what he has to say :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 02:18:39 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on July 29, 2016, 02:09:31 PM

Gary Johnson is also terrible.  If I vote for president at all I will write in Optimus Prime.  Fuck everything.

Who said he wasn't.  :success

Voting is a scam. :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 02:20:10 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on July 29, 2016, 01:57:12 PM

Telling someone you actually support either should mark you for deletion from the gene pool lest your stupidity spread.

Quote from: JayDubya on July 29, 2016, 02:18:07 PM

Do the world a favor - go give a shotgun a blowjob.

Are you paying licensing fees to Walrus? Or is this pirated content? :wag

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2016, 02:22:40 PM

Jaydubya is our resident edgy libertarian racist.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on July 29, 2016, 02:28:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 02:06:46 PM

I reject your False Sophie's Choice.

Go ahead. Throw your vote away!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 29, 2016, 02:28:47 PM

Can I vote for an unborn fetus in this election

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 02:30:37 PM

 :drudge David Brooks content :drudge

Quote

Donald Trump has found an ingenious way to save the Democratic Party. Basically, he’s abandoned the great patriotic themes that used to fire up the G.O.P. and he’s allowed the Democrats to seize that ground. If you visited the two conventions this year you would have come away thinking that the Democrats are the more patriotic of the two parties — and the more culturally conservative.

Trump has abandoned the Judeo-Christian aspirations that have always represented America’s highest moral ideals: toward love, charity, humility, goodness, faith, temperance and gentleness.

Quote

Trump has abandoned the basic modesty code that has always ennobled the American middle class: Don’t brag, don’t let your life be defined by gilded luxuries.

He left the ground open for the Democrats to seize middle-class values with one quick passage in a Tim Kaine video — about a guy who goes to the same church where he was married, who taught carpentry as a Christian missionary in Honduras, who has lived in the same house for the last 24 years.

Quote

Trump has allowed the Democrats to mask their deep problems. A Democratic administration has presided over a time of growing world chaos, growing violence and growing anger. But the Democrats seem positively organized and orderly compared to Candidate Chaos on the other side.

The Sanders people have 90 percent of the Democratic Party’s passion and 95 percent of the ideas. Most Sanders people are kind- and open-hearted, but there is a core that is corrupted by moral preening, an uncompromising absolutism and a paranoid unwillingness to play by the rules of civic life.

But the extremist fringe that threatens to take over the Democratic Party seems less menacing than the lunatic fringe that has already taken over the Republican one.

This week I left the arena here each night burning with indignation at Mike Pence. I almost don’t blame Trump. He is a morally untethered, spiritually vacuous man who appears haunted by multiple personality disorders. It is the “sane” and “reasonable” Republicans who deserve the shame — the ones who stood silently by, or worse, while Donald Trump gave away their party’s sacred inheritance.

Quote

The Democratic speakers hit doubles, triples and home runs. But the normal rules may no longer apply. The Democrats may have just dominated a game we are no longer playing.

If the Democrats can hit that bullseye, the rest of the dominoes should fall like a house of cards. Checkmate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2016, 02:35:49 PM

TRIGGERED

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 29, 2016, 02:37:24 PM

Pretending that hooting and clapping when someone one says something positive about America is actual acting patriotic.  :dead 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2016, 02:42:16 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on July 29, 2016, 01:57:12 PM

In actuality, this is the most clearcut example of things being fucked up beyond all recognition, with the choice being between two such utter human colostomy bags of failure, who have little to no actual daylight between them (no matter what platitudes they currently spout to covet votes) and no actual principles whatsoever beyond their own lust for power.

There is no honesty and no integrity in either one of them.

There has never been a stronger narrative for giving the fuck up and being above it all, because as a human being one should be better than actively supporting either of those two candidates.  Telling someone you actually support either should mark you for deletion from the gene pool lest your stupidity spread.

:umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2016, 02:54:09 PM

This shitshow of an election was so worth it for JayDubya's nihilistic Walrus-plagiarizing flameout. :preach

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2016, 03:10:33 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-dnc-response/

People actually cheered for this.

The fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2016, 03:14:01 PM

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/american-sniper-fans-attack-bradley-915485

:lol Jesus Christ people are dumb. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2016, 03:21:36 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 29, 2016, 02:37:24 PM

Pretending that hooting and clapping when someone one says something positive about America is actual acting patriotic.  :dead

I think this is actually my favorite line:

Quote

He left the ground open for the Democrats to seize middle-class values with one quick passage in a Tim Kaine video — about a guy who goes to the same church where he was married, who taught carpentry as a Christian missionary in Honduras, who has lived in the same house for the last 24 years.

Truly a masterstroke by the Democrats to so perfectly encapsulate the middle class values of the teeming masses of America who long for national greatness conservatism. :delicious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2016, 04:24:34 PM

Trump is an awful racist tyrant demagogue. But at least he presents a real face to what Republicanism has become/is since the civil rights era. At least the distinction is clear. You can't pretend anymore. In that sense its probably the most honest election we've ever had.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on July 29, 2016, 05:18:18 PM

he was a fabulist, but he was also a decorated Navy Seal who had a ridiculously accomplished military career.

Something the movie touched on (briefly), and Kyle's life and book show inadvertently, is that he was a guy who suffered majorly from PTSD, but didn't really have a full grasp on how much it had effected him. Yeah, he got kinda kooky there, and because of his death we'll never know why, but we (okay, maybe just me) sure can take a guess as to why.


anyways the whole controversy would have been avoided if Bradley Cooper had shown up the DNC without wearing that beard.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on July 29, 2016, 07:08:22 PM

Can we make that gif Jaydubya's signature?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2016, 07:39:32 PM

Or better yet, just turn all of his posts into that

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 29, 2016, 08:35:57 PM

Poll fuckery:

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160701-20160729/collapsed/true/spotlight/1
http://polling.reuters.com/#poll/TM651Y15_DS_13/filters/LIKELY:1

Just by altering questions, one has Trump up by nine points and another has Clinton up by six points.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 29, 2016, 08:48:59 PM

poll fuckery indeed.  wait until at least september

538 has ohio and florida leaning red.  I don't find either likely, Ohio in particular.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2016, 10:11:59 PM

http://ashigara.tumblr.com/post/148169184439/velo-were-there-any-good-cosplays-at-the-dnc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 29, 2016, 10:47:21 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36927523

what the shit.

You guys are gonna get president Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 29, 2016, 11:27:32 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on July 29, 2016, 10:47:21 PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-36927523

what the shit.

You guys are gonna get president Trump.

Thanks Putin

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2016, 12:07:45 AM

Trump can't win all the swing states: Ohio, Florida, PA, Missouri, Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, NC, and NH.

This is the absolute best I can see him going

http://www.270towin.com/maps/rDx4J
 (http://www.270towin.com/maps/rDx4J)
This gives him all the crazy close toss-ups.

But I don't see Ohio going his way, nor do I see Florida doing so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Trent Dole on July 30, 2016, 12:49:36 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 29, 2016, 03:10:33 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-dnc-response/

People actually cheered for this.

The fuck.

What, you don't like metaphorical sociopathery?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2016, 01:44:07 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on July 29, 2016, 08:35:57 PM

Poll fuckery:

http://polling.reuters.com/#!poll/TM651Y15_13/filters/LIKELY:1/type/smallest/dates/20160701-20160729/collapsed/true/spotlight/1

dat refused number from the start of the month to the end

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 30, 2016, 03:06:20 AM

https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/759097584531243008

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 30, 2016, 03:29:52 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on July 30, 2016, 12:07:45 AM

Trump can't win all the swing states: Ohio, Florida, PA, Missouri, Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, Wisconsin, Virginia, NC, and NH.

This is the absolute best I can see him going

http://www.270towin.com/maps/rDx4J
 (http://www.270towin.com/maps/rDx4J)
This gives him all the crazy close toss-ups.

But I don't see Ohio going his way, nor do I see Florida doing so.

yea the math is so difficult for trump
i could see it being like 00 Gore winning pop but losing electoral

lol Al Gore :heh

edit: '00 woops

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 30, 2016, 11:28:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 30, 2016, 03:06:20 AM

https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/759097584531243008

Everything really was better before GWB and 9/11. :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2016, 12:04:04 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ColSVWrWAAAhHiv.jpg:small)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/759082010484805633

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2016, 12:45:40 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 30, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/759082010484805633

All it takes is the right question from a concerned mother and she'll be pandering, bro.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2016, 12:48:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on July 30, 2016, 03:06:20 AM

https://twitter.com/McJesse/status/759097584531243008

 :cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2016, 12:52:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2016, 12:45:40 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 30, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/759082010484805633

All it takes is the right question from a concerned mother and she'll be pandering, bro.

Innocent until proven guilty. :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: VomKriege on July 30, 2016, 02:00:12 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-father-fallen-soldier-ive-made-lot/story?id=41015051

Quote

Trump also said, “If you look at his wife, she was standing there. She had nothing to say. She probably, maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. You tell me.”

What a class act.

It's not difficult to see why Russia would be willing to try to influence the election : The loss of US prestige on the international scene with such a president is bound to be bad, I'd suspect worse than W.Bush, and that's the best case scenario. Even on a short leash, you know the man will have terrible manners.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mandark on July 30, 2016, 02:09:58 PM

Not that I think it will really affect the election, but Trump's inability to let any criticism slide is pretty amazing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: brob on July 30, 2016, 02:25:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2016, 12:45:40 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 30, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/759082010484805633

All it takes is the right question from a concerned mother and she'll be pandering, bro.

“I am committed to make investments to find the causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines. . . . We don’t know what, if any, kind of link there is between vaccines and autism — but we should find out.” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/vaccine-debate-presents-a-political-minefield--as-hillary-clinton-can-attest/2015/02/03/1fa7fc4c-abc7-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2016, 03:26:51 PM

Benji burns an American flag at the DNC, gets Gawker to post a Bob Avakian explainer:
http://gawker.com/the-dnc-flag-burner-is-an-american-hero-and-a-member-of-1784492419

Quote

“We support an actual revolution, a revolution that overthrows this system, and we in the Revolutionary Communist Party are organizing for that actual revolution at the soonest possible moment. People need to get with that revolution. They need to check out the leader of that revolution, Bob Avakian.”

 :american (http://i.imgur.com/t2Okzur.gif)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/wRrrJbz.gif)

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2016, 03:41:17 PM

Quote from: brob on July 30, 2016, 02:25:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on July 30, 2016, 12:45:40 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on July 30, 2016, 12:44:25 PM

https://twitter.com/mcclure111/status/759082010484805633

All it takes is the right question from a concerned mother and she'll be pandering, bro.

“I am committed to make investments to find the causes of autism, including possible environmental causes like vaccines. . . . We don’t know what, if any, kind of link there is between vaccines and autism — but we should find out.” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/vaccine-debate-presents-a-political-minefield--as-hillary-clinton-can-attest/2015/02/03/1fa7fc4c-abc7-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html)

This in 2008, before much of the truth about vaccines/autism came out in 2010. It's also a different answer than the other three current candidates in that it shows a deference towards the scientific community and the scientific process. Try again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Rufus on July 30, 2016, 03:59:44 PM

Leave that "Try again" nonsense to AiA.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2016, 04:02:31 PM

Quote from: Rufus on July 30, 2016, 03:59:44 PM

Leave that "Try again" nonsense to AiA.

That'd mean something to me if you made 1/10 the money I do. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: curly on July 30, 2016, 04:08:04 PM

http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/ (http://www.snopes.com/is-green-party-candidate-jill-stein-anti-vaccine/) Believing the lamestream media's lies :wag

She's definitely pandering tho but it's not really different than the hillary quote above

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 30, 2016, 04:35:38 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on July 29, 2016, 01:54:14 AM

https://twitter.com/CharlotteAlter/status/758882324578570240

 :cac

"did you laugh at them?"

"no, that would be a microaggression"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2016, 05:23:42 PM

This is election is way too close for comfort.  Like I don't even understand the white male people who are like "well I have nothing at stake here," if Trump starts WWIII, or even some more smaller wars and it's going to effect everyone. 

And before anyone says WWIII is not going to happen.  I think it's very unlikely that a war of that scale would happen, but with Trump I'd put the chance number above 1% and that's still way too high.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2016, 05:33:35 PM

Make sure you vote then.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2016, 06:30:46 PM

I'm already voting.  I'm actually trying to look into if there's any kind of democratic event stuff I can do to help spread the word since I live in one of the only goddamn counties in West Coast California that is red.  I'd love it if Orange County could turn blue someday. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on July 30, 2016, 06:52:04 PM

Living in Tennessee, it's hard to get jazzed about voting.  I really wish I could've kept my registration in Ohio.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: ToxicAdam on July 30, 2016, 09:48:58 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on July 29, 2016, 04:24:34 PM

Trump is an awful racist tyrant demagogue. But at least he presents a real face to what Republicanism has become/is since the civil rights era. At least the distinction is clear. You can't pretend anymore. In that sense its probably the most honest election we've ever had.

Trump is  the death rattle of the worst traits of the Baby Boom generation.

I still wouldn't mind seeing him win for the absurdity of it all. But that's just my disassociation speaking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Samson Manhug on July 30, 2016, 11:26:00 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on July 30, 2016, 09:48:58 PM

I still wouldn't mind seeing him win for the absurdity of it all.

Stuff white people say™

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: bluemax on July 31, 2016, 02:13:52 AM

https://twitter.com/bdunbar/status/759548061823733760

rekt

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on July 31, 2016, 03:06:53 AM

Two 9+ liked posts on a single page :rejoice

I've become as like-whorey as Dufus :goty2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on July 31, 2016, 03:51:17 AM

After reading that, I had to go back to make sure I didn't like either of them

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on July 31, 2016, 04:23:36 AM

Like this status if you were part of this forum before Tasty Meat got 9+ liked posts  :like

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on July 31, 2016, 11:45:35 AM

New page.  Those posts are in the past now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on July 31, 2016, 12:17:14 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLSy8Tl2bjs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: helios on July 31, 2016, 02:59:11 PM

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/759795923895582720/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

This whole Khan thing is amazing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: helios on July 31, 2016, 06:05:13 PM

Quote from: helios on July 31, 2016, 02:59:11 PM

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/759795923895582720/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

This whole Khan thing is amazing

Now with video

https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/07/31/cnns-brian-stelter-shuts-down-trump-campaigns-attempt-spin-attacks-khizr-khan/212045

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 31, 2016, 07:10:51 PM

TBH the whole 3 am thing is only a problem because of cheapskate understaffing, we ought to just hire a couple additional presidents for night shift and graveyard shift, problem solved.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2016, 08:03:24 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on July 31, 2016, 07:10:51 PM

TBH the whole 3 am thing is only a problem because of cheapskate understaffing, we ought to just hire a couple additional presidents for night shift and graveyard shift, problem solved.

Look at William Paterson over here. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Plan#Proposals)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2016, 08:42:18 PM

SHE LIED! Hillary’s Tearjerker About Handicapped Girl in Wheelchair in DNC Speech WAS ALL A LIE! (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07/wow-hillarys-tearjerker-handicapped-girl-wheelchair-dnc-speech-lie/)

Quote

Here’s what I learned; The Mayor of New Bedford in 1973 was a guy I happen to know, Mayor John Markey (81 years old and a lifelong Democrat now living in Dartmouth, MA. Mayor Markey is also a retired judge and a man whose credibility and character are beyond reproach. “Jack” as he is known, is eligible for both court and municipal pension but only accepts one. He is not one to “double dip”. I called Jack and asked him a few questions about handicap services in 1973 at the New Bedford Public Schools, including wheelchair accessibility.

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“I took over as Mayor in January of 1973. We had a budget for vans with drivers and provided services to students with disabilities. It was Tremblay Bus. They would pick them up and drop them off at their homes. Now, they may not have been able to go to the local school, depending on whether or not the schools were accessible for wheelchairs but there were many schools then which could and did accommodate our handicapped students in wheelchairs”.

“In fact, we had a local guy who was a paraplegic, injured in a diving accident who came to my office many times to advocate for the disabled and I actually spent an entire day in 1973 in a wheelchair to better understand the challenges they face everyday. Soon after that we were cutting out sidewalks for wheelchairs and doing things in New Bedford before the laws ever compelled us to.”

So despite the progressive and good works of the New Bedford leadership in 1973 to make the city schools and streets more handicap accessible, Hillary (no pun intended) rolled New Bedford local government under the bus last night in front of the world. And needed to lie to do it. It just didn’t seem possible in those days Hillary, because it wasn’t true in 1973 New Bedford.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on July 31, 2016, 09:54:16 PM

https://twitter.com/RealKhizrKhan

Is this real?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2016, 10:27:21 PM

He's going against the Twitter Champion with this material? https://twitter.com/RealKhizrKhan/status/759848972714381313

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 31, 2016, 10:42:29 PM

Quote

TRUMP: Well, look, you know, I have my own ideas. He’s not going into Ukraine, OK?

Just so you understand. He’s not going to go into Ukraine, all right?

You can mark it down and you can put it down, you can take it anywhere you want.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, he’s already there, isn’t he?

TRUMP: OK, well, he’s there in a certain way, but I’m not there yet. You have Obama there. And frankly, that whole part of the world is a mess under Obama, with all the strength that you’re talking about and all of the power of NATO and all of this, in the meantime, he’s going where — he takes — takes Crimea, he’s sort of — I mean…

STEPHANOPOULOS: But you said you might recognize that.

TRUMP: I’m going to take a look at it. But, you know, the people of Crimea, from what I’ve heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were. And you have to look at that, also.

Now, that was under — just so you understand, that was done under Obama’s administration. And as far as the Ukraine is concerned, it’s a mess. And that’s under the Obama’s administration, with his strong ties to NATO.

So with all of these strong ties to NATO, Ukraine is a mess. Crimea has been taken. Don’t blame Donald Trump for that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2016, 12:06:16 AM

It's pretty clear Trump hasn't benefited from any of the briefings and crash courses his staff and RNC officials are (presumably) giving him on foreign and domestic policy. He constantly sounds like someone who hasn't thought about this shit for 5 minutes.

No wonder he doesn't want to debate. And unlike in 08 with Biden/Palin, Hillary won't have to use kid gloves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2016, 12:09:56 AM

I liked the Biden/Palin debate. It made me like both candidates more.

Actually, except for Biden/Ryan, I've liked the VP debates more back to at least "Who am I? Why am I here?"

Pence/Kaine feels like it has fail written all over it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2016, 12:11:26 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2016, 12:06:16 AM

It's pretty clear Trump hasn't benefited from any of the briefings and crash courses his staff and RNC officials are (presumably) giving him on foreign and domestic policy. He constantly sounds like someone who hasn't thought about this shit for 5 minutes.

No wonder he doesn't want to debate. And unlike in 08 with Biden/Palin, Hillary won't have to use kid gloves.

Trump basically has to get out of the one-on-one debates by any means possible. His bully tactics worked in the GOP primary, in large part because that's the kind of thing the audience wanted to hear, but to undecideds and independents in the general? Nah, he's going to look like an ignorant bully in front of a prime-time audience. Hillary's best tactic, if he tries to back out, is to just hit him over and over on being a coward for not wanting to debate, that would probably make him angry to change his mind.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2016, 12:20:56 AM

I think you can't just do one debate with Trump. You probably want a second.

Chances are too high that he can steamroll for that first one and get away with it. Hillary will do better simply because you know it's coming and its just her but that's how he bumrushed the GOP and the moderators without consequence initially.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2016, 12:41:42 AM

Trump benefited from a billion people being on stage during the GOP debates. He was pretty forgettable in the debate he did with just Kasich, Rubio, and Cruz. I agree he can bullshit through some of the debate with Hillary but overall he's going to look bad.

Hillary's best move would be to get Trump angry and also ask him direct questions.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2016, 12:43:41 AM

Allowing the candidates to ask each other questions would be amazing. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on August 01, 2016, 01:24:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 01, 2016, 12:09:56 AM

Pence/Kaine feels like it has fail written all over it.

in what way?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2016, 01:29:54 AM

Just not very interesting, a combination of personalities that I've seen. Plus I feel like it'd be a lot of tightroping their running mates positions on stuff. More so than usual even because of the outsized base issues.

I guess maybe if Kaine snorts a bunch of coke like he did before his DNC speech. Though then maybe it'd be like Pumped-Up Biden vs. Ryan. They both got more annoying as it went on and it lost its luster for me in hindsight.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2016, 01:50:57 AM

I wonder who's going to play Trump in Hillary's debate prep. Maybe they can get Mark Cuban to do it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2016, 01:59:47 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2016, 01:50:57 AM

I wonder who's going to play Trump in Hillary's debate prep. Maybe they can get Mark Cuban to do it.

Why don't the campaigns ever hire Darrell Hammond?

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/dominos-ad-shoot/n11961

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 01, 2016, 03:58:20 AM

You know I like to make fun of Trump but Crimeans do want to be with Russia and they weren't happy with the Pro-Europe government on the other side of the country, so he is not really wrong there.

These people don't need to be saved from Russia.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47263000/gif/_47263304_ukraine_election_result.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: VomKriege on August 01, 2016, 04:16:05 AM

Meh. The problem isn't really whether Crimeans ultimately want to be part of Ukraine or Russia (which I don't think anyone will dispute they have a theorical right to), it's that Russia more or less covertly lent an hand in forcing the issue to provoke a quick, messy and violent secession from an established nation-state in a region in need of stability then grabbed for itself a region with some strategical value. All that a few years after doing some of the same in Georgia.

At the risk of going Godwin, you could say the same for the dispute over the Sudetenland.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 01, 2016, 04:34:24 AM

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I can't feel too bothered about it, at least it made Nato put some US troops in Eastern Europe. As if Russia was ever planning on going into Poland  :lol

Ultimately this kind of conflicts gives all the major players what they want.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2016, 01:20:44 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/clinton-post-dnc-poll

The Democratic nominee led 47-41 in the poll including leaning voters taken in the three days immediately following the Democratic convention in Philadelphia.

...

Trump had a single-point lead, 44-43, in the CBS poll released last week after the Republican convention in Cleveland.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on August 01, 2016, 01:30:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2016, 01:20:44 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/clinton-post-dnc-poll

The Democratic nominee led 47-41 in the poll including leaning voters taken in the three days immediately following the Democratic convention in Philadelphia.

...

Trump had a single-point lead, 44-43, in the CBS poll released last week after the Republican convention in Cleveland.

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on July 27, 2016, 10:29:09 AM

You all clinging real hard here, it's cute. That DNC bump isn't coming for Hillary. :umad

:sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2016, 01:32:32 PM

It's one poll...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 01, 2016, 01:41:59 PM

There have been a few polls that show her edging up since the convention. Not that polls at this stage overly matter either. They shift around based on what the media is focusing on so the tail end of the DNC convention mixed with Trump continuing to be an idiot on the current muslim family issue means she has probably gotten a bump.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-clintons-bounce-appears-bigger-than-trumps/
http://election.princeton.edu/2016/08/01/post-democratic-convention-bounce/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/194084/americans-positive-democratic-gop-convention.aspx?g_source=Election%202016&g_medium=lead&g_campaign=tiles

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2016, 01:55:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2016, 01:32:32 PM

It's one poll...

That's what they said about John Paul II.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: El Babua on August 01, 2016, 01:59:41 PM

I think (hope!) Clinton will win. But I won't be too surprised if she gets sub-300 EVs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: octopushover on August 01, 2016, 02:02:32 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on August 01, 2016, 03:58:20 AM

You know I like to make fun of Trump but Crimeans do want to be with Russia and they weren't happy with the Pro-Europe government on the other side of the country, so he is not really wrong there.

These people don't need to be saved from Russia.

(http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47263000/gif/_47263304_ukraine_election_result.gif)

yeah, the referendum they held to make the decision to leave and the orderly governmental transition plan they instituted to become part of russia proves trump right

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2016, 02:52:48 PM

All gave some; some gave all.  :usacry

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOOzteXCmVM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: helios on August 01, 2016, 03:18:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/81VIEua.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2016, 04:39:52 PM

Buckle up, everybody:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-general-election-rigged-potential-challenge

"I'm afraid the election's gonna be rigged, I have to be honest," Trump told the crowd.

While Trump has often questioned the integrity of the primary contests in both parties, his newest remarks seemed to begin laying groundwork for him to contest the Nov. 8 election results.

It was a line of attack that longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone pushed on a podcast with Breitbart's Milo Yiannopoulos that was posted online Friday. Stone suggested voter fraud is "widespread" and said if Hillary Clinton wins a state like Florida after polls show Trump in the lead, the election would be "illegitimate."

"If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government," Stone said. He also promised a "bloodbath" if the Democrats attempt to "steal" the election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2016, 05:14:56 PM

jesus christ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Atramental on August 01, 2016, 05:37:37 PM

WHEW LAD  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Rufus on August 01, 2016, 06:02:31 PM

He's won populist bingo seven times over.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 01, 2016, 06:03:22 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/01/politics/trump-vs-clinton-presidential-polls-election-2016/index.html

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Hillary Clinton emerges from her party's convention in Philadelphia with a restored lead over Donald Trump, having earned a 7-point convention bounce, according to a new CNN/ORC Poll.

In a two-way head-to-head matchup, Clinton tops Trump 52% to 43%, and in a four-way matchup including third party candidates Gary Johnson and Jill Stein, Clinton leads 45% to 37% with Johnson at 9% and Stein at 5%.

He mad because of that trainwreck convention he had.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Steve Contra on August 01, 2016, 07:18:20 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2016, 04:39:52 PM

Buckle up, everybody:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-general-election-rigged-potential-challenge

"I'm afraid the election's gonna be rigged, I have to be honest," Trump told the crowd.

While Trump has often questioned the integrity of the primary contests in both parties, his newest remarks seemed to begin laying groundwork for him to contest the Nov. 8 election results.

It was a line of attack that longtime Trump adviser Roger Stone pushed on a podcast with Breitbart's Milo Yiannopoulos that was posted online Friday. Stone suggested voter fraud is "widespread" and said if Hillary Clinton wins a state like Florida after polls show Trump in the lead, the election would be "illegitimate."

"If there’s voter fraud, this election will be illegitimate, the election of the winner will be illegitimate, we will have a constitutional crisis, widespread civil disobedience, and the government will no longer be the government," Stone said. He also promised a "bloodbath" if the Democrats attempt to "steal" the election.

Trump seems to be giving himself an out if it looks really bad for him.  I have no doubt he would quit and blame the media and the RNC for torpedoing his campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2016, 07:22:23 PM

Hopefully, it's that innocuous, but I'm more worried that he and his rabid followers are going to end up making it much more than that if he loses.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Trent Dole on August 01, 2016, 07:30:23 PM

Yeah, I already had a fucking idiot on facebook suggest seeing how many people you know that 'like' Trump over liking Clinton and such a sampling thus proves the election is rigged. Doesn't prove that like attracts like or anything, nope nope!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 01, 2016, 07:34:26 PM

To be fair he's probably a white guy. And in his world all his bros love trump so of course something fishy must be going on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 01, 2016, 07:43:27 PM

Quote from: helios on August 01, 2016, 03:18:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/81VIEua.gif)

Was really hoping he would come out Hillary so I could relate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2016, 07:51:19 PM

There's no way Trump will simply concede on election night. He's going to question the results under the guise of "people are saying x, I don't know," which is how he spreads all his FUD. I'm going to bet that the election will be called pretty early, ie once the west coast results come in. Hell before it's even called I'd expect his camp to be questioning results, specifically Florida where there will almost certainly be an increase in Hispanic turnout.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 01, 2016, 07:54:13 PM

I hope he is utterly crushed so his supporters can see how few they are, and be scared of us. No Walrus.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 01, 2016, 08:13:54 PM

https://twitter.com/jonathanshainin/status/760251158216802304

yup...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 01, 2016, 08:21:55 PM

Quote

“Of course they can. Now, you ask me why the Republicans don’t do it, but sadly I think they do,” Stone said. “That’s why I briefly had to leave the Republican Party and become a Libertarian.”

wow such bravery

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2016, 08:26:43 PM

Once I briefly left Taco Bell and went to the Pizza Hut that was in the same building.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mupepe on August 01, 2016, 09:25:53 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2016, 08:26:43 PM

Once I briefly left Taco Bell and went to the Pizza Hut that was in the same building.

The power was out at my local TB a few weeks ago so we went to a combo pizza hut and taco Bell. A personal pan pepperoni with a double triple crunch wrap big box was the shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Freyj on August 01, 2016, 09:53:15 PM

I don't think there are any combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bells in Oklahoma  :goty2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 01, 2016, 09:59:26 PM

And I thought my opinion of Oklahoma could get any worse.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 02, 2016, 12:25:17 AM

Quote from: Freyj on August 01, 2016, 09:53:15 PM

I don't think there are any combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bells in Oklahoma  :goty2

Where you at tho

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 02, 2016, 12:29:34 AM

Oh snap, we got four Boreans in Okieland?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: brawndolicious on August 02, 2016, 02:28:13 AM

The one thing that I'm actually worried about after the election is people wondering what the "first woman president" is doing that's so different than her predecessors. The biggest difference between her and Trump is anything that has to do with immigration/foreign policy where she's a lot more pragmatic but I don't think she's going to pursue any moonshot type of idea on any domestic issues. Just incremental upgrades of Obama's agenda.

If she wins by a landslide, people expect big change. If it's anything less, then people wonder what was the big deal about electing her. If she loses in 2020, then the census gets all fucked again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2016, 11:46:00 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/02/that-poll-showing-clinton-leading-in-utah-it-doesnt-exist/

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The surprising/exciting finding? Hillary Clinton has a 1-point lead in the state.

Imagine that! Utah going blue for the first time since 1964. Now that's the sort of thing that we'd expect to see in this bizarre, wacky year.

...

The KUTV report indicates that Clinton gets 36 percent of support to 35 percent from Trump

Quote

Well, we don't know — because the KUTV report is the only mention of it online.

The Salt Lake Tribune doesn't have a story about a new poll at its website. The Hinckley Institute at the University of Utah doesn't have any mention of it either. In an email to The Washington Post, the Tribune's Dan Harrie confirmed that there in fact wasn't a new survey from the paper. He speculated that KUTV was simply picking up a convention post-mortem the paper ran over the weekend — though there's no reference to a 36-35 result.

Other than that, the story was accurate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 12:01:10 PM

Ali Vitali‏ @alivitali

Trump says a man here gave him his Purple Heart. "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart," Trump says. "This was much easier."

(http://i.imgur.com/1IIfMsy.png)
that might be GG, folks

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2016, 12:23:41 PM

Yeah, I remember when Republicans openly mocked John Kerry's Purple Hearts, and the backlash carried him to a landslide victory.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 12:59:47 PM

You have no power here, Mandark.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

walrus save me :brazilcry

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 02, 2016, 01:07:21 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 12:01:10 PM

Ali Vitali‏ @alivitali

Trump says a man here gave him his Purple Heart. "I always wanted to get the Purple Heart," Trump says. "This was much easier."

He just can't help himself, can he?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 02, 2016, 01:24:57 PM

https://twitter.com/JakeGodin/status/760509743731441664/video/1

what in the actual hell

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 02, 2016, 01:49:27 PM

:lol jesus

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 02, 2016, 01:53:17 PM

:kobeyuck

What an awkward exchange.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Atramental on August 02, 2016, 01:53:57 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/why-can-i-never-seem-say-right-thing-weeps-trump-p-53408

Kinda want this to be true. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2016, 04:06:07 PM

Quote

Khizr Khan, the Muslim Gold Star father that Democrats and their allies media wide have been using to hammer GOP presidential nominee Donald J. Trump, has deleted his law firm’s website from the Internet.

This development is significant, as his website proved—as Breitbart News and others have reported—that he financially benefits from unfettered pay-to-play Muslim migration into America.

We tried it once your way, Khan, are you game for a rematch? Khan, I'm laughing at the "superior intellect."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: T-Short on August 02, 2016, 04:13:15 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ofDQ662.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 02, 2016, 04:31:46 PM

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/vice-president-joe-biden-gay-marriage-wedding-home-washington-law-order-episode-cameo-a7168331.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Trent Dole on August 02, 2016, 04:40:59 PM

Quote from: Hyoushi on August 02, 2016, 04:13:15 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ofDQ662.jpg)

lol @ fascist fattie quoting K dot.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2016, 04:41:33 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-refuses-to-endorse-paul-ryan-in-gop-primary-im-just-not-quite-there-yet/2016/08/02/1449f028-58e9-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html

Quote

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is refusing to back House Speaker Paul D. Ryan in his upcoming primary election, saying in an interview Tuesday that he is “not quite there yet” in endorsing his party’s top-ranking elected official.

Trump also said he was not supporting Sen. John McCain in his primary in Arizona, and he singled out Sen. Kelly Ayotte as a weak and disloyal leader in New Hampshire, a state whose presidential primary Trump won handily.

With Ryan’s Wisconsin primary scheduled for next Tuesday, Trump praised the House speaker’s underdog opponent, Paul Nehlen, for running “a very good campaign.” Trump said that Ryan has sought his endorsement, but that as of now he is only “giving it very serious consideration.”

“I like Paul, but these are horrible times for our country,” Trump said. “We need very strong leadership. We need very, very strong leadership. And I’m just not quite there yet. I’m not quite there yet.”

Trump’s refusal to back Ryan represents an extraordinary breach of political decorum and signals that the Republican Party remains divided two weeks after a national convention in Cleveland staged to showcase party unity.

 :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: thisismyusername on August 02, 2016, 04:44:06 PM

Quote from: Hyoushi on August 02, 2016, 04:13:15 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ofDQ662.jpg)

Reminds me of: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4aauib/lets_talk_about_the_free_software_dating_scene/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Freyj on August 02, 2016, 04:49:19 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on August 02, 2016, 12:25:17 AM

Quote from: Freyj on August 01, 2016, 09:53:15 PM

I don't think there are any combination Pizza Hut and Taco Bells in Oklahoma  :goty2

Where you at tho

Norman

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on August 02, 2016, 05:18:17 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co4YAYHUIAAtsK1.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Tasty on August 02, 2016, 05:26:00 PM

<insert same pic with bernie as an empty space in all three frames>

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Mandark on August 02, 2016, 05:36:59 PM

If I knew the photoshops I'd have myself a picture of Paul Ryan as the "this is fine" dog.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 02, 2016, 06:00:09 PM

He got fucked dry and I'm totally enjoying it. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 02, 2016, 06:03:12 PM

https://twitter.com/BobbyBigWheel/status/750519781489537025

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 02, 2016, 07:11:38 PM

I hope that Ryan goes ballistic and rescinds his endorsement. I mean, what's the use in being a politician if you're not going to play politics?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 02, 2016, 07:39:49 PM

He can't with out looking really bad though.  If they resend, then they fall down to Trumps level. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 02, 2016, 07:41:24 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 02, 2016, 07:39:49 PM

He can't with out looking really bad though.  If they resend, then they fall down to Trumps level. 

Trump is the only one who can get away with the shit he pulls. When other republicans try to do it, they get hammered.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 08:02:26 PM

@StevePopper
Trump spokesperson Katrina Pearson just said on CNN that Obama's changing of rules of engagement probably cost Capt. Khan his life. In 2004.

(http://i.imgur.com/TBQ3Tii.png)

edit: video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAtxCRfU1g0&feature=youtu.be&t=159

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 02, 2016, 08:06:47 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/JHEmUxq.png)

lawl, I hope this guy ousts Ryan

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 02, 2016, 08:11:34 PM

Do like half of all Republicans have ryan or paul in there name?  Are there famous confederate generals names ryan and paul that I'm not aware of or something?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 08:49:55 PM

@JohnJHarwood

longtime ally of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager: "Manafort not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in. Staff suicidal."
(http://i.imgur.com/kBDMwnP.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Boogie on August 02, 2016, 08:54:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 08:49:55 PM

@JohnJHarwood

longtime ally of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager: "Manafort not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in. Staff suicidal."
(http://i.imgur.com/kBDMwnP.gif)

I have the weirdest boner right now...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 02, 2016, 09:29:27 PM

Several top level DNC people stepped down today: CEO Amy Dacey, CFO Brad Marshall, and Chief of Communications Luis Miranda over the Wikileaks scandal

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/02/politics/dnc-ceo-resigns-in-wake-of-email-scandal/index.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 02, 2016, 09:35:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 08:02:26 PM

@StevePopper
Trump spokesperson Katrina Pearson just said on CNN that Obama's changing of rules of engagement probably cost Capt. Khan his life. In 2004.

(http://i.imgur.com/TBQ3Tii.png)

edit: video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAtxCRfU1g0&feature=youtu.be&t=159

Omg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 09:42:45 PM

@Redistrict

BREAKING: Freedom Caucus GOP Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R) unseated in #KS01 primary by ag group-backed physician Roger Marshall.
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/760648176986681344
holy shit  :lol

One of the far right tea party leaders who helped oust Boehner. They're really cannibalizing themselves now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Sausage on August 02, 2016, 09:42:47 PM

Quote from: Boogie on August 02, 2016, 08:54:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 08:49:55 PM

@JohnJHarwood

longtime ally of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager: "Manafort not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in. Staff suicidal."
(http://i.imgur.com/kBDMwnP.gif)

I have the weirdest boner right now...

Quote

@alivitali Ali Vitali Retweeted John Harwood
A Trump campaign source, in reax to this, tells me "it's all true" and "way worse than people realize."

lolol

https://twitter.com/alivitali/status/760644265584300032

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 02, 2016, 10:40:37 PM

Would explain why Drumpf has been arguable worse than usual over the past week.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 02, 2016, 10:54:23 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-clinton-ad-buy-differences

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/michael-jordan-laugh.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 02, 2016, 11:08:13 PM

Crooked Hillary buying her way to victory yet again (https://i.imgur.com/DtIiDdJ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Warren/Obama in 2020!
Post by: Syph on August 02, 2016, 11:18:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 08:49:55 PM

@JohnJHarwood

longtime ally of Paul Manafort, Trump's campaign manager: "Manafort not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in. Staff suicidal."
(http://i.imgur.com/kBDMwnP.gif)

just like to note hillary is dressed better in that supahotfire gif than in any appearance post lewinksy-gate



edit: interesting speculation in those tweets about Trump dropping out and Pence staying on to be the candidate
i'd say that's impossible but if this cycle has told us anything it's that nothing that happened yesterday can predict tomorrow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 02, 2016, 11:24:51 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 02, 2016, 10:54:23 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-clinton-ad-buy-differences

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/michael-jordan-laugh.gif)

:whew
Those number. That's insanity.

Of course, I think the argument is that if someone isn't already going to vote for trump they're not going to change their mind now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2016, 01:10:42 AM

An article brought it up a few weeks ago. So far though he's doing great without it, a set of local offices or a real organization, and that's with pocketing up a part of the spending. Don't know if it will stay viable or if it can be reproduced by anyone, but why change ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 03, 2016, 01:31:24 AM

True. If this election has shown us anything it's that the normal rules don't apply.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: El Babua on August 03, 2016, 03:15:15 AM

He can spin it as "crooked Hillary and the establishment out to get me" and galvanize his supporters even more.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 03, 2016, 07:03:01 AM

Trump relies on social media and "free media" by always being talked about by news outlets.

I can't watch any type of news, whether it be local or national, because it's nothing but Trump stories.  In past elections, it used to be that I couldn't stand the commercials, now I can't stand any of it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 03, 2016, 07:26:50 AM

Maybe this is like a game changing moment in presidential elections, like Kennedy vs Nixon or Adams vs Jackson.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2016, 08:24:23 AM

This is in some ways the first campaign to internalize a cycle controlled primarily by the internet with 24/7 news following behind. Especially since both Romney and Obama were building off an existing campaign apparatus.

It's been to the benefit of Hillary, Trump and Sanders.

The media and the campaigns themselves are burning through stories/narratives directly to where they can't really even keep up. Nobody knows if they should stick to the Khan story or move onto Donald not endorsing Ryan or more DNC resignations or Hillary's lies on Fox News Sunday or Trump exposing how rigged the elections are or George W. Bush:

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Without naming Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, former President George W. Bush delivered an incisive critique of his policies of “isolationism, nativism and protectionism” at a private fundraiser in Cincinnati on Tuesday for Ohio Sen. Rob Portman, according to four people who attended.

Olivia could re-write this every Tuesday for months: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/02/15-hours-of-donald-trump-s-lies.html

Does any of it matter? Only if it puts an end to hijacked imdb scores.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 03, 2016, 11:01:54 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 02, 2016, 09:42:45 PM

@Redistrict

BREAKING: Freedom Caucus GOP Rep. Tim Huelskamp (R) unseated in #KS01 primary by ag group-backed physician Roger Marshall.
https://twitter.com/Redistrict/status/760648176986681344
holy shit  :lol

One of the far right tea party leaders who helped oust Boehner. They're really cannibalizing themselves now.

This is the chucklehead that voted "No" on the Farm Bill (despite being from Kansas) because it gave too much money to Food Stamps. Fuck him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Brehvolution on August 03, 2016, 11:05:14 AM

My Trump supporting father in law said that trump's problem is that he keeps opening his mouth.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2016, 11:12:40 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 03, 2016, 08:24:23 AM

This is in some ways the first campaign to internalize a cycle controlled primarily by the internet with 24/7 news following behind. Especially since both Romney and Obama were building off an existing campaign apparatus.

Not that I disagree but a lot of the coverage and drama Trump carries with him still happen on TV. His twitter made for good fodder but it doesn't have the traction of, say, his comments about the dead soldier's father at the DNC that he made on network TV.
The potential was always there for the saturation of 24/7 coverage, maybe Internet communication enables it.

I think the fact he is apparently able to run a campaign on a shoestring budget while alienating major donors is more noteworthy (though a consequence of the former).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2016, 11:51:08 AM

Quote

Key Republicans close to Donald Trump's orbit are plotting an intervention with the candidate after a disastrous 48 hours led some influential voices in the party to question whether Trump can stay at the top of the Republican ticket without catastrophic consequences for his campaign and the GOP at large.

Republican National Committee head Reince Priebus, former Republican New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich are among the Trump endorsers hoping to talk the real estate mogul into a dramatic reset of his campaign in the coming days, sources tell NBC News.

Quote

Sources in the candidate's orbit tell NBC News Trump is aware of the dissatisfaction within the party. But while some labeled the state of affairs "Crazytown" and "worse than ever," they also described a sense of powerlessness, bemoaning the fact there's "nothing that we can do, that anybody can do right now."

There's absolutely no indication Trump is considering leaving the race, a move that would seem wildly out of character for a candidate who has prided himself on "winning" and grasped at any poll that shows him dominating an opponent. Still, some Republicans are quietly considering the arcane mechanics of what would happen to the party's ticket if Trump was to leave the presidential race.

Adviser Kellyanne Conway disputed the notion that Trump would bolt the ticket, saying "I would push back on any formal report that the candidate is going to leave the race."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 03, 2016, 11:57:28 AM

Would be hilarious, no doubt.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 03, 2016, 12:27:16 PM

Yeah, anyone who thinks that Trump is going to drop out isn't paying attention. No way that guy takes that hit to his ego unless he can blame the media or someone else for it. You know it's out of control when Gingrich and Guiliani are the ones to come over and say "dude, chill out" that's like having Snoop Dogg coming to you and being like "You might be smoking too much weed."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2016, 01:19:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsVONO75utI

 :huh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 03, 2016, 01:42:50 PM

#neverforget

https://twitter.com/reince/status/545730238886735872

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Syph on August 03, 2016, 04:56:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 03, 2016, 01:19:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsVONO75utI

Is that Kramer?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: VomKriege on August 03, 2016, 06:51:49 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000004533191/unfiltered-voices-from-donald-trumps-crowds.html

 :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 03, 2016, 07:04:10 PM

Trump rally or skinhead rally?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Trick question! It's both.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Steve Contra on August 03, 2016, 07:15:11 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-clinton-fox-news-poll-226641 (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-clinton-fox-news-poll-226641)

 :obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 03, 2016, 09:42:57 PM

yet again

Quote

You all clinging real hard here, it's cute. That DNC bump isn't coming for Hillary. :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 03, 2016, 09:49:36 PM

To be fair, I don't think its so much a convention bump as much as a OMG-Trump-Threw-These-Gold-Star-Parents-Under-The-Bus-Then-Insinuated-They-were-terrorists-kicked-out-a-baby-and-mother-from-a-rally-made-light-of-the-purple-heart-doesn't-see-anything-wrong-with-nuclear-war-and-thinks-paying-someone-to-make-him-money-is-a-sacrifice-equivalent-to-losing-a-child-to-war bump.

Technically AiA is probably right. Not a convention bump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2016, 10:09:05 PM

https://twitter.com/ConradKaz/status/761017988631834624
 :lol

they're setting that narrative up tho. No way he concedes when he loses.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 03, 2016, 10:14:49 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 03, 2016, 09:49:36 PM

To be fair, I don't think its so much a convention bump as much as a OMG-Trump-Threw-These-Gold-Star-Parents-Under-The-Bus-Then-Insinuated-They-were-terrorists-kicked-out-a-baby-and-mother-from-a-rally-made-light-of-the-purple-heart-doesn't-see-anything-wrong-with-nuclear-war-and-thinks-paying-someone-to-make-him-money-is-a-sacrifice-equivalent-to-losing-a-child-to-war bump.

Technically AiA is probably right. Not a convention bump

She already got a bump though before all that shit.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 01, 2016, 01:20:44 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/polltracker/clinton-post-dnc-poll

The Democratic nominee led 47-41 in the poll including leaning voters taken in the three days immediately following the Democratic convention in Philadelphia.

...

Trump had a single-point lead, 44-43, in the CBS poll released last week after the Republican convention in Cleveland.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 03, 2016, 10:35:15 PM

Also:

Vox: It's now clear that Hillary Clinton got a big convention bounce (http://www.vox.com/2016/8/1/12340790/polls-trump-clinton-winning)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 03, 2016, 11:21:25 PM

(https://i.redditmedia.com/RGnaj-OwlQUGpwJCF5M3uU6ZNIsUseTu7kXcUd-AaGU.png?w=454&s=f61efa7382d850f049c1b9212769be91)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 03, 2016, 11:44:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 03, 2016, 10:09:05 PM

https://twitter.com/ConradKaz/status/761017988631834624
 :lol

they're setting that narrative up tho. No way he concedes when he loses.

Bragging about how many thousands of people his rallies are drawing? Now he's just plagiarizing from the Ron Paul campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVjfa0Alz5o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Syph on August 04, 2016, 12:40:09 AM

dat PD avi and tag change
 :sabu

spoiler (click to show/hide)

yeezy carter 2020

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 04, 2016, 11:35:24 AM

I'm on a semi-private FB group for Bostonians and this popped up today. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/X4FQqxq.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/k0G3wlL.png)

:usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2016, 11:38:42 AM

I could easily see Jeb!-spotting becoming a new national sport. Or, like Pokemon Go, but with Jeb!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Steve Contra on August 04, 2016, 12:13:16 PM

http://gawker.com/overburdened-public-defenders-office-conscripts-missour-1784801304 (http://gawker.com/overburdened-public-defenders-office-conscripts-missour-1784801304)

New hero

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2016, 12:43:44 PM

Slashing public defendant budgets, closing down DMVs, limiting voting rights...

(http://i.imgur.com/nIoEAeo.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: brawndolicious on August 04, 2016, 01:04:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2016, 12:43:44 PM

Slashing public defendant budgets, closing down DMVs, limiting voting rights...

(http://i.imgur.com/nIoEAeo.png)

Governor is a Democrat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: El Babua on August 04, 2016, 01:49:27 PM

A classic southern Democrat. (http://i.imgur.com/nIoEAeo.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: zomgee on August 04, 2016, 02:06:40 PM

GOP Gubernatorial Candidate's Latest Ad Is Just Him Shooting a Machine Gun for 20 Seconds (http://gawker.com/gop-gubernatorial-candidates-latest-ad-is-just-him-shoo-1784771242)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Rufus on August 04, 2016, 02:17:08 PM

All he needs to do is beat his cheast for the caricature to be complete.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2016, 02:46:03 PM

You probably weren't aware, but the KKK was founded by Democrats. (http://i.imgur.com/nIoEAeo.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Atramental on August 04, 2016, 03:15:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrY3uEElh08

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2016, 03:21:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/tWArSmG.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2016, 04:11:46 PM

Quote

“Is This the Beginning of the End for Donald Trump?”—headline, Washington Post, Aug. 3, 2016
“The Beginning of the End of Donald Trump?”—headline, CNBC.com, Sept. 17, 2015
“The Beginning of the End for Donald Trump?”—headline, Federalist, Sept. 25, 2015
“The Beginning of the End for Trump: His Sarah Palin Moment”—headline, Puffington Host, Sept. 27, 2015
“It Has Been the ‘Beginning of the End’ of Donald Trump’s Campaign Since July”—headline, ThinkProgress.org, Oct. 19, 2015
“The Beginning of the End of Donald Trump”—headline, Time.com, April 3, 2016
“The Beginning of the End for Donald Trump”—headline, RollCall.com, April 5, 2016
“Essential Politics: The beginning of the End for Trump?”—headline, Los Angeles Times, June 17, 2016

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Syph on August 04, 2016, 04:51:02 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 04, 2016, 04:11:46 PM

Quote

“Is This the Beginning of the End for Donald Trump?”—headline, Washington Post, Aug. 3, 2016
“The Beginning of the End of Donald Trump?”—headline, CNBC.com, Sept. 17, 2015
“The Beginning of the End for Donald Trump?”—headline, Federalist, Sept. 25, 2015
“The Beginning of the End for Trump: His Sarah Palin Moment”—headline, Puffington Host, Sept. 27, 2015
“It Has Been the ‘Beginning of the End’ of Donald Trump’s Campaign Since July”—headline, ThinkProgress.org, Oct. 19, 2015
“The Beginning of the End of Donald Trump”—headline, Time.com, April 3, 2016
“The Beginning of the End for Donald Trump”—headline, RollCall.com, April 5, 2016
“Essential Politics: The beginning of the End for Trump?”—headline, Los Angeles Times, June 17, 2016

It's sad (SAD!), but yea, Trump's campaign being doomed will only last until the next inevitable terrorist attack (but the last week has been brutal though..doubling down on the Khan comments? smh)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

i admit I laughed the first time i heard the wife comment

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 04, 2016, 05:08:02 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/4/12374000/trump-clinton-polls-today

Quote

In Pennsylvania, a state most observers believe is a must-win for Trump considering how the electoral math is shaping up, Franklin & Marshall has a new poll showing him trailing Clinton by 11 points — 49 percent to 38 percent.

In New Hampshire, another swing state that was believed to be relatively close, WBUR's new poll gives Clinton a massive 15 point lead over Trump (47 percent to 32 percent).

 8)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2016, 05:27:49 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/zBpr0lu.png)

:interracial

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2016, 08:10:25 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BIs_rj0Akhq/

two GOATs
:lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Brehvolution on August 04, 2016, 08:14:41 PM

So, Nas won?   :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 04, 2016, 08:32:43 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 04, 2016, 03:21:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/tWArSmG.jpg)

if only we could reelect Obama for 10 more terms :sad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2016, 10:53:59 PM

WOW! Look at MASSIVE CROWD at Trump’s Town Hall Event in Portland, Maine –VIDEO (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/live-stream-video-trump-fills-maine-theater-town-hall-event/)

Quote

Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump is holding a town hall event today in Maine.

LOOK AT THIS!
(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-crowd-maine-575x431.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 04, 2016, 11:00:28 PM

http://mediamatters.org/video/2016/08/04/foxs-greta-van-susteren-questions-her-own-networks-poll-showing-hillary-clinton-beating-trump/212196

rally sizes!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 04, 2016, 11:26:45 PM

Rally size is what you brag about when you don't have anything else to brag about.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 04, 2016, 11:59:01 PM

Wow, Donald Trump is pulling crowds almost as big as the USFL!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 05, 2016, 10:11:13 AM

I love the whole rally size thing. "Look at how 10,000 people showed up to a trump rally! That's a lot!"

Bitch, it happened in a metro area of 4 MILLION people.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Steve Contra on August 05, 2016, 11:40:17 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html)

Savage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 05, 2016, 12:31:44 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 05, 2016, 11:40:17 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/05/opinion/campaign-stops/i-ran-the-cia-now-im-endorsing-hillary-clinton.html)

Savage.

So brave, admitting to working at the CIA during the GWB years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2016, 01:36:09 PM

They didn't label BLM as a terrorist organization, too, while they were at it? What constraint!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2016, 01:51:50 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 05, 2016, 01:25:26 PM

come get your mans, andrex :gurl

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/08/boston_police_unions_demand_more_guns_armor

Quote

“We live in a world where a sitting President has basically ‘fanned the flames of Police hatred’ with political rhetoric and now a sitting Governor is politically afraid to speak,” the letter reads.

:usacry

I trust 'em.

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 15, 2015, 05:42:35 PM

Man wanted to be shot by police, officials say (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/09/14/man-allegedly-questions-boston-police-for-not-shooting-him/KGlUF5qSQxl8sR9C2weNWJ/story.html)

Quote

A Boston man allegedly jumped in front of a Boston police cruiser Sunday night in Roxbury and acted as if he was pulling a handgun from his waist band in what authorities described as an attempt to incite two officers to shoot him, police said.

Instead, they arrested him.

“Why didn’t you just let me tap out?’’ Bash Jean, 30, allegedly told officers after being taken into custody, according to a police report. “If this was any other place in the country, I’d be dead.”

(http://i.imgur.com/1DV64.gif)

Quote from: Tasty Meat on January 08, 2016, 03:38:21 PM

Boston police officer shot in Dorchester (http://www.bostonglobe.com/2016/01/08/boston-police-officer-shot-dorchester/4jiOdAMIJ6snNYdXebQknL/story.html)

Quote

“He is out on probation and he is out selling drugs, and that’s why he was pulled over,’’ Evans said in a news conference at the hospital.

Evans said police had boxed Headley’s car in and were moving to arrest him, but still had not unholstered their weapons. Headley jumped out of his vehicle and opened fire “unprovoked,’’ leading the officer to return fire, Evans said.

The other officers accompanying the wounded officer chased Headley on foot across Rosseter Street and onto Geneva Avenue, where he was wrestled to the ground and taken into custody without another shot being fired, Evans said.

The commissioner emphasized that point: Officers who had just seen one of their own shot by an armed suspect took him into custody without using deadly force.

 :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 05, 2016, 03:17:48 PM

BPD have managed to avoid bad press since they apparently don't murder the few black people in Boston at the rate other city police do, but the 'we need more guns or we can't do our jobs' hand wringing is such bullshit. They shut the whole fucking city down for a week a few years ago, for christ sake

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2016, 03:54:08 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 05, 2016, 01:25:26 PM

come get your mans, andrex :gurl

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/08/boston_police_unions_demand_more_guns_armor

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“We live in a world where a sitting President has basically ‘fanned the flames of Police hatred’ with political rhetoric and now a sitting Governor is politically afraid to speak,” the letter reads.

:usacry

BPD doesn't like a black guy?
:drudge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 05, 2016, 04:03:17 PM

Has Obama even explicitly come out against police violence?  I've always felt his responses have been meek at best. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 05, 2016, 04:29:56 PM

uh, yeah
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/07/politics/philando-castile-alton-sterling-josh-earnest/
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/04/28/obama_baltimore_press_conference_president_s_comments_on_police_and_poor.html
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/obama-no-excuse-police-violence#53745

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 05, 2016, 04:48:15 PM

Way to fan the flames, Obama.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Boogie on August 05, 2016, 05:41:00 PM

The FiveThirtyEight "Nowcast"  has Hilary's chances of winning at 91.7%   :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Their "polls-only" is at 81.5%, and "polls-plus" at 74.9%

[close]

God I hope this lead holds.  Election night will be glorious if so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2016, 06:04:29 PM

What are the historically-red states that would be huge upsets if they turned blue?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 05, 2016, 06:15:11 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 05, 2016, 06:04:29 PM

What are the historically-red states that would be huge upsets if they turned blue?

Oklahoma

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2016, 06:30:37 PM

Ahh.

Just saw Hillary is leading 4 points in fucking Georgia. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 05, 2016, 06:32:55 PM

Quote from: Esch on August 05, 2016, 01:25:26 PM

come get your mans, andrex :gurl

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/local_coverage/2016/08/boston_police_unions_demand_more_guns_armor

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“We live in a world where a sitting President has basically ‘fanned the flames of Police hatred’ with political rhetoric and now a sitting Governor is politically afraid to speak,” the letter reads.

:usacry

Now read that back in a Boston accent.

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Post by: Boogie on August 05, 2016, 06:37:45 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 05, 2016, 06:04:29 PM

What are the historically-red states that would be huge upsets if they turned blue?

In Presidential elections, the "red/blue" divide is a relatively recent thing.

Look at Clinton's 1996 win:

http://www.270towin.com/1996_Election/index.html

He won Missouri, Arkansas, Louisiana, Kentuky, Tennessee AND West Virginia.

But if we go with how things have been from 2000-on, I think it will be hella impressive, but within the realm of realistic, if Georgia, Missouri, or Arizona go for Hilary.

If any beyond that go Blue, shit will be REALLY crazy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2016, 06:55:49 PM

I don't think Hillary will win Georgia but it's clear the state will be blue in the near future. I'm really interested in the re-migration of blacks back to the south. Georgia's black population has been exploding for years, Atlanta is really thriving right now. Virginia's black population is also increasing, as is North Carolina's. Obama won Virginia twice and Hillary will almost certainly win it this year, whereas Obama won NC once and I think Hillary has a good shot there too.

This is happening very rapidly, whereas the rust belt will take some time to go red. Here in Michigan, Detroit's dwindling population+gentrification will likely result in the state going red in...8 years perhaps? Not sure. PA is another state that will likely go red in the future, but for now it's kept in line for democrats thanks to Philly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2016, 07:18:38 PM

Re: BPD stuff

(Mayor) Walsh “taken aback” by police unions’ demand for more weapons (http://www.bostonglobe.com/2016/08/05/armor/gLyy1ncnvjmf6DyeBWoyEI/story.html)

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“I think there was some language in that letter that didn’t need to be used, and I’m not sure that letter reflects the overall feel of every officer of the city,” Walsh said. He would not support officers walking beats with long guns, he said. “There’s absolutely no need.”

...

Regarding the equipment demands, officials said that in recent years, the city replaced $451,000 worth of firearms and $150,000 worth of high-powered tactical weapon vehicles known as “gun cars.” The city is spending $56 million on new radio systems, officials said, and spends $3 million per year on new police vehicles. The city invests $350,000 a year on bullet-resistant vests, officials said, but the union has not agreed to a mandatory wear policy.

...

Matthew Segal, legal director of the American Civil Liberties Union of Massachusetts, said that while it is important that police feel safe, it is also important to look at what actually works — such as body cameras, which he noted have been shown to reduce use of force issues and complaints. Boston has a body camera pilot program, but no officers had stepped forward to wear the cameras as of Monday.

“It’s confusing that in Boston, there have been zero volunteers to wear body cameras, and at the same time, there has been this request for more weaponry,” Segal said. :ohhh

Former Boston police officer Thomas Nolan, who spent 27 years on the force and is now a criminology professor at Merrimack College, said the union letter was “shrill if not hysterical.”

:lol

Basically it's union shitheads trying to play political hardball to get cushier gigs. Not really a new phenomenon tbh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2016, 07:20:11 PM

And also, re: Jeb! stuff

Jeb Bush was in Boston — but he wasn’t ‘wandering’ (http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2016/08/05/jeb-bush-was-boston-but-wasn-wandering-streets/QvsIRCnhRZXXIoHrTcWBtK/story.html?p1=Article_Recommended_ReadMore_Pos4)

(http://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_1920w/Boston/2011-2020/2016/08/05/BostonGlobe.com/Metro/Images/Untitled%20(1).jpg)

Quote

When asked why he was in town, Bush merely replied, “Business” — and then stopped e-mailing.

:dead :dead

Quote

In a telephone interview, Bailey recounted what he likened to finding “the ultimate Pokemon GO” character in the wild.

RUMBLER!! :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 05, 2016, 08:57:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2016, 06:55:49 PM

This is happening very rapidly, whereas the rust belt will take some time to go red. Here in Michigan, Detroit's dwindling population+gentrification will likely result in the state going red in...8 years perhaps? Not sure. PA is another state that will likely go red in the future, but for now it's kept in line for democrats thanks to Philly.

will it though? The younger generations are trending way liberal, and the GOP is doing their best to be increasingly less inclusive (their efforts are working). I don't see how any state becomes more conservative over time as to how the Republicans seem to be doing anything, anything at all against forestalling their own dinosaur-ness.

W got 40 ought percent of the Latino vote, McCain got 30 ought, Romney bout 20 something, Trump...

I just don't see how they ever regain those people who have left the party until they make some major changes, which they seemingly cant/wont do.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 05, 2016, 10:16:22 PM

Who would have thought that aggressively appealing to a shrinking electorate, at the exclusion of all others, would end up being a bad idea?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2016, 12:13:38 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 05, 2016, 08:57:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 05, 2016, 06:55:49 PM

This is happening very rapidly, whereas the rust belt will take some time to go red. Here in Michigan, Detroit's dwindling population+gentrification will likely result in the state going red in...8 years perhaps? Not sure. PA is another state that will likely go red in the future, but for now it's kept in line for democrats thanks to Philly.

will it though? The younger generations are trending way liberal, and the GOP is doing their best to be increasingly less inclusive (their efforts are working). I don't see how any state becomes more conservative over time as to how the Republicans seem to be doing anything, anything at all against forestalling their own dinosaur-ness.

W got 40 ought percent of the Latino vote, McCain got 30 ought, Romney bout 20 something, Trump...

I just don't see how they ever regain those people who have left the party until they make some major changes, which they seemingly cant/wont do.

In Michigan's case, the black population in Wayne County (Detroit) is decreasing as young and middle aged whites move in. Yes young voters are more often liberal but the whiter Detroit gets the less of a guarantee dem power base it'll be. Michigan is pretty red already outside of a handful of high population urban areas/university cities. Once that's diluted we'll be a lean red swing state.

Michigan isn't the only Rust Belt state where this is happening. Blacks are moving to suburbs or down south in many cases as white people return to the city.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 12:42:31 AM

Younger generations don't stay "way liberal" as they age for whatever reason.

And what constitutes "conservative" is all relative.

The GOP base won't let people like Ryan/Cruz/Paul truly ever touch Social Security/Medicare. The Democrats will have to deal with reforming the entitlement system to get the totalitarian social welfare state they secretly openly want. Republicans will be running on keeping government hands off entitlements and cutting taxes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2016, 12:54:49 AM

https://twitter.com/oliverdarcy/status/761764905028583424

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 01:18:21 AM

Younger religious social conservatives are comparatively easier to placate and more tolerant than their Moral Majority predecessors. That only benefits the GOP as they can widen their tent some on things like gay rights which has greater acceptance even among the very religious than in older generations which made no acceptance.

In some respects the Democrats might have a more difficult time on culture wars within their party as they could be coming back into a cycle of rabid hardliners like the 1970s depending on how much of a factor the campus-left social studies warriors can play in internal party politics.

It's just a shame the Bernie people couldn't get a plank in the platform regarding regulation of imdb scores.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 06, 2016, 01:19:10 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 12:42:31 AM

Younger generations don't stay "way liberal" as they age for whatever reason.

And what constitutes "conservative" is all relative.

The GOP base won't let people like Ryan/Cruz/Paul truly ever touch Social Security/Medicare. The Democrats will have to deal with reforming the entitlement system to get the totalitarian social welfare state they secretly openly want. Republicans will be running on keeping government hands off entitlements and cutting taxes.

yeah, but pretty much anybody under 40 doesn't hate gay people, believes in climate change, wants greater economic and social equity...

these aren't necessarily liberal positions, the GOP could take those off the table, or at least address them in some fashion (there are some market based solutions to fighting climate change they could easily be championing). But they're not, they're leaving voters on the table. I mean, holy shit, Ted Cruz was still campaigning on social regression and 'religious liberty' fer crying out loud, which, ironically, wouldn't get him any new converts, so to speak.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 01:31:10 AM

This wasn't what I was looking for, but is interesting and close enough:
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2016/04/4-22-2016_12.png)

This one is amusing too, the gap on some of those Democratic ones, also the ones where both parties move towards the extreme as education increases:
(http://www.people-press.org/files/2016/04/4-22-2016_11.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 06, 2016, 03:39:03 AM

Wow. What a terrible, terrible way to visualize that data.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 03:45:19 AM

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/05/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrongly-says-hillary-clinton-wants-ra/

holy shit  :lol

i can't :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 05:14:21 AM

http://nypost.com/2016/08/05/clinton-mistakenly-refers-to-trump-as-her-husband/

 :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2016, 08:27:26 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 05:14:21 AM

http://nypost.com/2016/08/05/clinton-mistakenly-refers-to-trump-as-her-husband/

 :ohhh

(http://i.imgur.com/YTBI0y4.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 06, 2016, 08:37:38 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 05:14:21 AM

http://nypost.com/2016/08/05/clinton-mistakenly-refers-to-trump-as-her-husband/

 :ohhh

I like the implication that's sort of her default mental tag for dumb ideas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 12:28:22 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDsgTJ3Er9c

 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 01:11:01 PM

https://www.longroom.com/polls/

finally

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 06, 2016, 01:50:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 01:11:01 PM

https://www.longroom.com/polls/

finally

this is fucking hilarious

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--H-nT2Hx9--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_320/183hhecp64r7zjpg.jpg)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2016, 02:26:26 PM

Quote

As of the beginning of August, 265,723 low-income Louisianians have newly signed up for Medicaid, according to state officials.

The state’s former governor, Republican Bobby Jindal, was a fierce foe of expanding Medicaid eligibility, however, calling universal health coverage a “liberal shibboleth” and warning that expansion would “jeopardize the care of the most vulnerable in our society.”

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Other states that have expanded Medicaid through Obamacare are seeing a similar flood of low-income patients seeking insurance. Medicaid sign-ups in Montana are already double what the state expected, just seven months after expansion began there. In Michigan, enrollment last year surpassed what state officials projected it would be in 2020.

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But Jindal’s mismanagement of the state’s budget helped Democrat John Bel Edwards sweep into office in November on the promise to reverse Jindal’s policies and expand Medicaid eligibility.

The outpouring since sign-ups began in June has surprised even the program’s biggest advocates.

Though Louisiana set up a system to automatically enroll thousands, many more low-income Louisianians came forward on their own, seeking help that many had put off for years because they couldn’t afford it.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-obamacare-medicaid-expansion-20160804-snap-story.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Mandark on August 06, 2016, 02:31:35 PM

Man I'm neeeeever gonna stop clowning white liberals who opposed the ACA cause it was "corporatist."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 02:35:06 PM

But think how much better it would be with a public option. Or had Obama pushed for single payer instead of folding immediately.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2016, 03:53:16 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/newt-gingrich-campaign-debt_us_57a4d293e4b03ba6801241c7

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Gingrich filed a document with the Federal Election Commission this week detailing a debt settlement plan to finally terminate his 2012 presidential campaign committee. The document shows that “Newt 2012” plans to stiff 114 businesses and consultants that are altogether owed $4.6 million.

The former House speaker, failed presidential candidate and Donald Trump vice president runner-up was forced to file the debt settlement plan with the FEC as part of its alternative dispute resolution process. Gingrich was the subject of a complaint alleging that his campaign had illegally commingled campaign funds with corporate funds from a company controlled by Gingrich and his wife Callista.

While the FEC general counsel found reason to believe the allegations in the complaint, the six commissioners split along ideological lines in a 3-3 vote, it did not penalize Gingrich. Instead, the campaign agreed to file a debt settlement plan and terminate in 2016. The plan was originally due on May 23, but Gingrich was granted an extension until August 1.

The debt settlement plan document indicates the “total amount to be paid to creditors” is zero dollars.   

Gingrich did not respond to a request for comment made through two spokespeople.

It’s common for political campaigns to wind up in debt that takes years to pay off ― President Barack Obama’s 2012 campaign still owes $725,583, down from nearly $2 million two years ago ― but Gingrich owes an unusually large amount from his battle with Mitt Romney in the 2012 Republican primary.

The debts are owed to small firms that helped the Gingrich campaign knock on doors, call voters, produce TV ads and distribute yard signs. In 2012, The Huffington Post interviewed several vendors who were pretty mad about getting stiffed. The sums involved ― tens, even hundreds of thousands of dollars ― weren’t chump change for a small business.

“We got burned,” a Las Vegas graphics company owner said then.

But by last year, several vendors seemed to accept the fact that Newt would never pay, so they had given up contacting the campaign in an effort to collect.

:success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 06, 2016, 05:58:10 PM

Why can't anyone in this election cycle apparently put together a decent visualization of data :stahp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2016, 06:33:08 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 06, 2016, 05:58:10 PM

Why can't anyone in this election cycle apparently put together a decent visualization of data :stahp

Hillary =  :obama

Trump = :donot

Johnson =  :hans1

Stein =    :idont

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2016, 07:09:45 PM

Hillary: :larry

Trump:  :donot

Johnson/libertarians:  :comeon

Stein:  :oreilly

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2016, 07:15:14 PM

Hillary:  :rejoice

Trump: :sheik

Johnson: :paul

Stein:  :hans1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2016, 09:56:02 PM

The New York Times: "As Donald Trump Incites Feuds, Other G.O.P. Candidates Flee His Shadow" (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/07/us/politics/donald-trump-gop.html?_r=0&referer=)

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In the world of Republican “super PACs,” strategists are going even farther: discussing advertisements that would treat Mr. Trump’s defeat as a given and urge voters to send Republicans to Congress as a check on a Hillary Clinton White House. The discussions were described by officials familiar with the deliberations, several of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity about confidential planning.

...

What stops Republicans from disavowing Mr. Trump en masse is that they fear alienating his voters, who may be crucial to the party’s efforts to retain its congressional majorities. In an era in which fewer voters split their tickets, it is important to Republican leaders that Mr. Trump at least run competitively with Mrs. Clinton to avert a down-ballot wipeout.

“Do we run the risk of depressing our base by repudiating the guy, or do we run the risk of being tarred and feathered by independents for not repudiating him?” asked Glen Bolger, a Republican pollster working on many of this year’s races. “We’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t.”

(http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/killer-ra/Gifs%20IV/vegeta_lol.gif~original)

Republicans already bracing for a Hillary victory and desperately flailing around to prevent a congressional wipeout...

(http://i.imgur.com/VBXOL09.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 06, 2016, 11:38:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpOZVN4_Ihc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Atramental on August 06, 2016, 11:40:00 PM

 :doge :doge :doge

That man REALLY wants to bone his daughter.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2016, 11:40:31 PM

 :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: doctavius bonbon on August 06, 2016, 11:45:29 PM

holy shit  :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 07, 2016, 12:08:00 AM

the only thing I've seen from Johnson that's legit embarrassing is the AUDIT THE FED!! + goldbuggery that's more of a sine qua non for his libertarded constituency than a substantive policy proposal. guy's for cap and trade, right? how bad can he be? :lupe

if Stein were in Bernie's place I don't think Glen would've survived this primary

e:

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2016, 11:40:31 PM

:donot

lmao, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Trent Dole on August 07, 2016, 12:55:10 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on August 07, 2016, 12:08:00 AM

the only thing I've seen from Johnson that's legit embarrassing is the AUDIT THE FED!! + goldbuggery that's more of a sine qua non for his libertarded constituency than a substantive policy proposal. guy's for cap and trade, right? how bad can he be? :lupe

if Stein were in Bernie's place I don't think Glen would've survived this primary

e:

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 06, 2016, 11:40:31 PM

:donot

lmao, what the fuck is wrong with this guy?

He's never had anyone tell him no his entire life. Trump is white het cis male privilege incarnate, and it pains me to bust out the tumblr speak but dude just fucking is. :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2016, 01:18:38 AM

Johnson is a libertarian, jakefromstatefarm. That alone infers a variety of problems. I'm going to assume he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act, doesn't really support the Civil War, thinks businesses should be able to discriminate against gay people, and a host of other dirtperson views.

Stein believes vaccines cause autism. As Nas said when Nature moved to Marcy: nothing else to say.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 07, 2016, 01:22:20 AM

Apparently he said at the LP convention he would have voted for the Civil Rights act (and was booed for it)
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/05/gary_johnson_needs_to_leave_the_libertarian_party_behind.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Trent Dole on August 07, 2016, 01:40:08 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2016, 01:18:38 AM

Johnson is a libertarian, jakefromstatefarm. That alone infers a variety of problems. I'm going to assume he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act, doesn't really support the Civil War, thinks businesses should be able to discriminate against gay people, and a host of other dirtperson views.

Stein believes vaccines cause autism. As Nas said when Nature moved to Marcy: nothing else to say.

https://twitter.com/DrJillStein/status/760092116085190656

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2016, 02:01:30 AM

God dammit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 07, 2016, 02:20:11 AM

I don't really have anything against third parties, in fact, should American democracy ever see some much needed structural changes they may in fact become useful and effective parts of our system and government. As of right now, they ain't. My entire lifetime has seen a slew of highly principled egoists that changed the system all for naught, excepting of course if you think Clinton/Bush owes their presidencies to Perot/Nader. There's been no significant third party growth as far as I can tell, at least to the point where they can do anything but prop up people who have no friggin chance of doing what they say they want to do. My first Presidental vote was for Nader, if you had told me 16 years later the Green Party would be no better off then it was now I'd probably go back and pull that lever for Gore (hey, I was in a solid red state, he wasn't winning anyway).

Its enough to make a guy cynical, but I have in fact seen a highly successful and very transformative political movement in my lifetime. The Tea Party has been so very good at effecting change, and within a relatively short window of time also, a very vocal and passionate minority was able to seize the reins of a entrenched party and successfully battle not only their own party but the opposing one as well and has been hugely successful in many ways in passing their agenda.

That their agenda is a nihilist, intellectually disingenuous con-job on their constituents and the country at large doesn't really matter. They've been able to push local, state, and federal governments far to the right with surprising efficacy.

Third parties will never matter in this country until we get some very solid election/campaign reform, guess which party supports that now? If people want to continue wasting their time on their lost cause so they can feel better about themselves, fine, okay, sure buddy, knock yourself out. Your actually working counter to your own interest, real and rapid change can happen, but it won't happen without engaging with the entrenched system that's already in place.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 07, 2016, 02:24:10 AM

I'm perfectly fine with a two-party system, with some caveats.

Basically I like all these videos. :doge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7tWHJfhiyo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XOZJkozfI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QT0I-sdoSXU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on August 07, 2016, 02:34:40 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2016, 01:18:38 AM

Johnson is a libertarian, jakefromstatefarm. That alone infers a variety of problems. I'm going to assume he would not have voted for the Civil Rights Act or the Voting Rights Act, doesn't really support the Civil War, thinks businesses should be able to discriminate against gay people, and a host of other dirtperson views.

I don't see much use in chastising someone for views they don't (and couldn't possibly) hold. The appeal to dogmatic partisanship* falls especially flat here, given that the staunchest opposition to the civil rights voting act of 1957 and the civil rights act of 1964 was fielded by Dixiecrats. I've found johnson to be a palatable candidate and his campaign seems to represent a positive shift away from the quackery that's become synonymous with the LP. I'm glad that an empirically justified proposal to climate change -cap and trade- is finally being endorsed (albeit half-heartedly) during a time when people are actually paying attention to political discourse. And that's it. I don't prefer him over $hillary, at all, but I acknowledge that he's a step in the right direction.

Steins platform is pants on head crazy. We can agree on that.


*There is plenty of room to write off a party because of the constituency and interests they appeal to. Despite being a bourgeois edomite supercac, I don't in principle think Mitt wouldve been a poor president in a vacuum, but in practice i would never hand the keys to the executive branch over to the madhouse that is the current GOP. This doesn't apply to my thoughts on the LP in 2016 though. I don't actually want johnson in the white house.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 07, 2016, 01:11:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 07, 2016, 02:01:30 AM

God dammit.

Probably supports vaccinations for everyone because autistics are more likely to vote for her. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2016, 03:18:36 PM

Social Media Patterns Show Trump Is Looking at a Landslide Victory (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08/evidence-trump-landslide/)

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Current polls show the race for President is much tighter than it really is.  Ann Coulter warned us years ago in her best seller Slander that Democrats and the liberal media always use polls to manipulate and discourage conservatives from voting.  Thanks to social media there is more and more evidence that the polls are way off and if things stay as they are, Trump will win in a landslide!

It’s evident Hillary has a hard time filling a Union Hall while Trump regularly turns people away from his stadium and arena venues.

Now this – Analysis from social media provides additional support that Trump is likely to win in a landslide.

So how bad is it?
Evidence from ‘The Truth Division’ shows that if you look at social media, Trump is killing Hillary!

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Hillary is proving that she is a terrible candidate. No one likes her and no one trusts her. Based on turnouts at campaign events and on social media, if the election were today… Trump would likely win in a Landslide!

SPREAD THIS: Media RIGGING The Polls, Hiding New Evidence Proving Trump Is WINNING (http://thetruthdivision.com/2016/08/spread-this-media-rigging-the-polls-hiding-this-evidence-proving-trump-is-winning/)

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Facebook

Trump: 10,174,358 Likes
Clinton: 5,385,959 Likes

Trump nearly doubles the amount of Likes than Clinton Now — some people follow Trump who don’t like him, so let’s look at some posts. Here’s the stats for his latest Facebook live stream:

Trump Live Stream Post — 21 hours ago: 135,000 likes, 18,167 shares, 1.5 million views
Clinton Live Stream Post — 25 hours ago: 11,000 likes, 0 shares, 321,000 views

Since Clinton has zero shares, here’s the next best original post I could find from Clinton, albeit it’s not a live stream post:

Clinton post — 30 hours ago: 22,000 Likes, 7241 Shares, 773,000 views

Any way you slice it, Trump is crushing Clinton on Facebook interaction. One quick note regarding Facebook — you’ll find that on almost half of Clinton FB posts, the top comments are from Trump supporters, whereas the the top comments on Trump’s page are hardcore supporters only.

Twitter

Trump: 10.6 million followers
Hillary: 8.1 million followers

Trump has 30% more Twitter followers — and they translate into real votes. A recent study confirmed that 70% of his followers are real supporters, and 90% of those real followers have a voting history.

Hillary’s “twitter army” is likely made up of dead voters and illegals.

Youtube Live Stream

Trump: Averages 30,000 live viewers per stream
Clinton: Averages 500 live viewers per stream

Trump has 5900% more live viewers than Clinton.

Instagram

Trump: 2.2 million followers
Clinton: 1.8 million followers

Trump has 22% more Instagram followers — which is impressive considering it’s a liberal cesspool consisting of college hipsters who can’t seem to take enough selfies.

Reddit

Trump: 197,696 subscribers
Hillary: 24,429 subscribers
Hillary for Prison: 55,228 subscribers

Hillary for Prison’s Reddit feed has more than double subscribers of Hillary’s reddit page, equating to Trump having 700% more Reddit subscribers.

Don’t listen to the lying media — the only legitimate attack they have left is Trump’s poll numbers. Social media proves the GOP nominee has strong foundation and a firm backing.

SHARE on Facebook and Twitter and let us know what you think of this proof showing Trump dominating social media!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 07, 2016, 03:23:54 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2016, 04:19:31 PM

Retweet this and Bill Gates will pay you $1,000,000.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Trent Dole on August 07, 2016, 04:24:02 PM

'Do Your Research': Four Drumpf Surrogates Insist On CNN Polls Are 'Skewed' For Hillary
http://crooksandliars.com/2016/08/do-your-research-four-trump-surrogates

Reality is biased! :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 07, 2016, 05:22:24 PM

Wait, why would polls showing your chosen candidate losing be a bad thing for you?

Losing polls energize the voter base. Winning polls make constituents complacent.

Am I missing something here or is it that the conservative media can't see past "GOP nominee is losing"? ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2016, 05:43:34 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 07, 2016, 05:22:24 PM

Wait, why would polls showing your chosen candidate losing be a bad thing for you?

Losing polls energize the voter base. Winning polls make constituents complacent.

Am I missing something here or is it that the conservative media can't see past "GOP nominee is losing"? ???

Poll numbers are like NPD data. If your team is winning then it's great, if your team is losing then they forgot to count Wal-Mart.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2016, 05:54:18 PM

You also need to factor in digital sales (reddit upvotes) to get the complete picture.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2016, 09:34:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBYBeO0dx2Y

finally

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free breathing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViX6StgzY94#t=25m30s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViX6StgzY94#t=25m30s)

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 07, 2016, 11:39:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb-OiXyAq2o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 07, 2016, 11:52:32 PM

Watching that video actually hurt my brain.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Syph on August 08, 2016, 04:43:55 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 07, 2016, 05:22:24 PM

Wait, why would polls showing your chosen candidate losing be a bad thing for you?

Losing polls energize the voter base. Winning polls make constituents complacent.

Am I missing something here or is it that the conservative media can't see past "GOP nominee is losing"? ???

Sometimes these things can be self-fulfilling.
I'll try and find a link in the morning, but fivethirtyeight had a great article months ago about how this was occurring in regards to negative news articles about Hillary.

In this case though I don't think Clinton is really sweating

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2016, 07:49:02 AM

kara help

COMMUNIST PARTY UNITES BEHIND HILLARY (http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/communist-party-unites-behind-hillary/)

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That passion was in full display with a seven-person team of “reporters” covering their national political convention last month. And their convention was the Democratic National Convention that nominated Hillary Rodham Clinton as their undisputed candidate for president of the United States.

Exaggeration? Judge for yourself.

Here are excerpts from the editorial produced as part of that coverage by the team credentialed to cover the convention by the Democratic Party.

“Donald Trump steals wages. He’d pick your pocket in a New York minute. He lies and spreads hate. He’s a racist and a bully.”

“Do not underestimate Trump and the Republicans. While the establishment GOP was surprised by the successful insurgency of so-called outsider Trump, they are united in purpose: delivering more inequality, more misery, more instability and violence against working-class people of all races, genders, religions and sexual orientations. They are united with giant corporations and the billionaire class in their drive to lower wages and living conditions and increase their profits and power.”

“With Senator Bernie Sanders endorsing Secretary of State Hillary Clinton the message was loud and clear, “We’re stronger together.” That is what it will take to win in November.”

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“Winning in a landslide” is needed now more than ever, and that landslide for Clinton could swing control of the Senate to Democrats, and other potential positive effects could be felt on the ‘down ballot’ congressional and state races.”
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The Communists, who for decades ran their own candidates for president and vice president but supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012, don’t just like Hillary and Bernie. The party also gave a big thumbs-up to Clinton’s running mate, Tim Kaine.

“He’s a great choice,” wrote staffer Larry Rubin on the first day of the convention. “Kaine pushed the political envelope of Virginia, an erstwhile red southern state, in a progressive direction – and won! He was elected mayor of Richmond, then governor of the state and then senator. Everyone agrees: he’s a sincere, nice guy.”

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The Communist Party was so eager to endorse Obama for re-election, it couldn’t wait until 2012. It did so a year before the campaign officially got under way.

The party was jubilant in 2008, when Obama won his first race for the presidency.

Hailing Barack Obama’s win as a victory for the “working class,” the Communist Party USA called on the president-elect to carry out his promises, including his noted commitment to “spread the wealth.” An editorial by the People’s Weekly World, the official newspaper of the party, said the victory was for “workers of all job titles, professions, shapes, colors, sizes, hairstyles and languages.”

In 2009, President Obama’s leadership was “one of the best opportunities that Americans have had in decades,” declared a civil-rights activist addressing an overflow crowd at a gathering sponsored by the official newspaper of the Community Party USA.

The party was never disappointed by Obama. Here’s how it critiqued Obama’s final State of the Union Address earlier this year:

“In his final SOTU address, President Obama projected a bold vision for a more socially and economically just nation while appealing to the hopes of the American people. … President Obama pointedly rejected rightwing-Republican policy solutions including repeal of Obamacare, aggressive military buildup and action, tax cuts to the wealthy, blocking common-sense gun control … He also rejected efforts to exploit the fears of the American people using hate, anti-Muslim bigotry, racism and division.

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“Amazing as it may seem, Barack Obama has dragged the entire Democratic Party so far leftward over the past seven-plus years that today’s Democratic Party has become almost indistinguishable from the Communist Party.

“If that sounds hyperbolic to you, just stop reading right now and pull up the CPUSA’s website,” he added. “Spend some time reading and digesting it. Try to discern any major differences between the Communist Party’s concerns, sensibilities and solutions – on issues from ‘gay’ rights, to unfettered immigration, to renewable energy, to wealth redistribution, to condemning cops as racist, to universal health care – and those of today’s Democratic Party.”

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Meanwhile, an email sent out by the Communist Party USA over the weekend had this to say: “The 2016 elections are in full swing. Many of our districts and clubs and members are actively participating in the campaign to strike a blow to the extreme right and defeat Donald Trump and other down ballot GOP extremists. If you’re not yet involved, there are many ways to get connected with labor and our allies, especially in the key battleground states and in targeted congressional and state legislative races. But no matter where you live you can be part of this exciting election. We can defeat Trump, oust right-wing majorities in Congress and statehouses while also building powerful labor-led people’s movements, advancing a progressive agenda and political independence at the grassroots. We have some great tools, beginning with People’s World daily (sic) Marxist analysis.”

http://peoplesworld.org/green-party-safe-state-strategy-is-neither-safe-nor-a-strategy/

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The aim should be a landslide defeat of Trump and a decisive rejection of hate.

The election of Clinton as the first woman president would make history. A landslide would not end sexism, but it would represent a mighty blow just as the election of President Obama was a blow against racism. It would advance democracy.

A landslide makes it more likely that GOP Congressional and state legislative majorities can be ousted and an end put to the politics of obstruction. Most people tend to vote straight ticket.

A landslide will give added weight to the progressive platform adopted at the Democratic Convention and give encouragement to appoint progressive Supreme Court justices. It would be added pressure against backsliding on opposition to TPP and other trade deals. It will put public opinion and the movements in a better position to pressure against Clinton's tendency toward military adventurism and policies of regime change.
 
With a Democratic president and Congress the post-election political terrain will shift and give immediate momentum to the new Clinton administration.

Even if Trump is defeated, the movement he spawned and the extremist ideas powering it will be a factor in politics for a long time to come. A massive repudiation of Trump will weaken and isolate this movement.

Fourthly, politics is more than voting one's conscience. It's about building electoral and governing coalitions that can broadly advance struggle on the issues. Voting is tactical and rarely does someone vote for candidates they agree with 100%.

One's associations also collectively shape voting. Unity of the broad people's coalition before, during and after the election will do more to ensure the progressive Democratic Party platform is implemented by the new Clinton administration.

The broad coalition of labor, communities of color, women, LGBT, young people, environmental, immigration, disability rights activists, etc. is the only force capable of effectively challenging corporate power and changing the country long term. This electoral coalition and its grassroots capacity are being built through the electoral process, giving it the ability to influence and mobilize key constituencies.

This coalition will not only continue to influence Clinton in a progressive direction, but forms the basis of growing political independence and a future labor-led third party that will advocate radical economic, political and social restructuring. 

Parts of this electoral coalition are also taking up Sanders' challenge to run thousands of candidates at every level committed to the "political revolution."

Voting Green Party separates activists and voters from these key forces. One cannot credibly engage in mobilizations of labor, civil rights, women's organizations, LGBT community, and environmentalists while also advocating voting Green Party.

http://peoplesworld.org/landslide-in-november/

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"Winning in a landslide" is needed now more than ever, and that landslide for Clinton could swing control of the Senate to Democrats, and other potential positive effects could be felt on the "down ballot" congressional and state races.

Many things could happen between now and November. Don't count out the American people in seeing with new eyes, what is at stake in November, which is just about everything.

quick...i need a hit of BA
http://revcom.us/a/451/to-the-greens-en.html

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To the Greens: Elections Under This System Will NEVER Transform Shit
We Need to OVERTHROW This System, Not Vote For It
We Need an ACTUAL REVOLUTION!
Updated August 8, 2016 | Revolution Newspaper | revcom.us
 
The Green Party platform promises to end poverty, cut the U.S. military budget in half, protect the environment, provide free access to education and health care to people in the U.S., demilitarize the police, end racism, and more. When everyone who is horrified by Trump's fascist madness is being told the only "alternative" is Hillary Clinton, the Green's candidate for president, Jill Stein, says, "Hillary Clinton has a very clear, lifelong—practically lifelong track record for locking up African Americans, for deporting immigrants, for serving the interests of Wall Street, being funded by Wall Street and the war profiteers. So, let's not pretend for a minute that Hillary Clinton's track record offers us any hope."

It's easy to understand why this has appeal. It is, indeed, completely unnecessary and intolerable for a tiny handful of capitalists to control the wealth produced by billions around the world in conditions of enforced suffering and brutality, for police to continue gunning down Blacks and Latinos, for the U.S. military to invade and plunder the world, and for the environment to every day be pushed closer to total catastrophe. And it is true that Hillary Clinton is part of the problem and there is no basis to place hope in her candidacy.

But the notion that these outrages can be ended by "voting Green" is a harmful delusion.

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Any political program that doesn't seriously deal with that is like setting an unsuspecting person up on a date with a serial killer.

We need to OVERTHROW, not vote for, this system.

There is in fact a program and a strategy to do just that, based on a scientific analysis of society. There is leadership developing this, and an organized force working to make it real. And we're gonna get into that.

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The Greens don't have a program to do this, but the Revolutionary Communist Party, USA, does.

The Revolutionary Communist Party is organizing now to overthrow this system at the soonest possible time. It is preparing to lead an actual revolution to bring about a radically new and better society: see the Constitution for the New Socialist Republic in North America. It is doing this based on the scientific approach and strategy developed by Bob Avakian, the Karl Marx of our time. Bob Avakian has developed a new synthesis of communism and is actively leading the fight not to redistribute the spoils of this empire, but to bring about a world free of empire—a world in which all seven billion are emancipated.

There is no shortcut to a society on the road to human emancipation. There is no way to meet the people's needs by playing within their rules and within the framework of the Capitalist-Imperialist System. There is no painless way to get there, no way to wield the instruments given you by this ruling class when they possess the bottom-line monopoly on force. But revolution is possible and there is a way to fight and a real chance to win.

This is a harder road. But it is far more realistic—and far, far more liberating. Get into it and get with it today. Engage with the work of Bob Avakian, and form your own opinion. Go to revcom.us. Join the Revolution Club. As you do—and as part of preparing for and hastening this revolution—join in waging powerful, mass independent political resistance against this system's crimes that breaks out of their official and meaningless electoral channels. This is the only way anything meaningful has ever been won.

awww yeah baby, one more
http://revcom.us/a/450/the-deadly-logic-of-the-lesser-evil-en.html

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We had to vote for Obama and the Democrats, we were told, to put a stop to the great harm that was being done by George W. Bush and the Republicans. But did voting for Obama, and having Obama as president, prevent the fascism that has increasingly characterized the Republican Party from reaching a dangerously new level with the Trump candidacy? Obviously not. But why not? Because Obama and the Democrats, as well as Trump and the Republicans, are products and representatives of the same system of capitalism-imperialism, and that system has its fundamental dynamics and ways it has to function, which mean that anyone who rises to the top of that system must continually commit crimes against humanity.

Funneling good sentiments and intentions into voting for Democrats, time after time—accepting and “validating” the logic and assumptions of this system, rather than opposing the whole system and its endless crimes, presided over by both Democrats and Republicans—has made people complicit with these crimes and has contributed to the situation we are in, where an overt, undisguised fascist candidacy, embodied in Trump, is contending seriously to assume the leadership of this system, and it is now being insisted that only voting for Clinton, who is guilty of many despicable and monstrous crimes against humanity herself, can stop Trump and what he represents. As for the argument, “Well, yes, Clinton is not what we really want, she is actually quite bad, but she is ‘the lesser evil,’ and there are realistically only two choices—either Clinton or Trump—so if you don’t go for Clinton you are helping elect Trump,” this actually amounts to nothing more than the argument that, “As long as you accept the logic and ‘choices’ dictated by this system, you have to accept the logic and ‘choices’ dictated by this system.” Doesn’t the fact that this system has produced someone like Trump as a “legitimate” candidate, heading one of the two major political parties of this system—doesn’t this powerfully demonstrate the utter illegitimacy of the whole system? And the fact that Clinton and the Democrats will only oppose Trump with arguments that amount to insisting that they are better representatives of this same system, and can do a better job of perpetrating its crimes—doesn’t this powerfully demonstrate the urgent need to break with the logic and assumptions of this system and rise up against it and those who represent it, including Clinton as well as Trump?

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2016, 09:14:31 AM

THE REPUBLICAN SAVIOR
(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-08/8/8/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web13/sub-buzz-4242-1470659345-1.jpg?no-auto)

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Key players in GOP’s anti-Trump movement are preparing to launch an independent presidential campaign for Evan McMullin — a CIA veteran and the chief policy director of the House Republican conference — sources close to the effort told BuzzFeed News.

Veteran Republican strategist Rick Wilson, a Florida-based media consultant and outspoken Trump critic, is expected to be involved in McMullin’s campaign. Sources said Wilson was in Washington on Sunday meeting with members of McMullin’s prospective campaign — which includes some who were involved in a group called Better for America, which has been pushing an independent presidential bid.

McMullin did not immediately respond to requests for comment from BuzzFeed News. He would make for an unlikely presidential candidate. He has never held elective office before and has spent most of his career as a CIA officer, according to his LinkedIn page. Young and unmarried, McMullin received an MBA at Wharton in 2011, and after a stint at Goldman Sachs, went to work as a policy wonk on Capitol Hill.

Unlike National Review writer David French, another conservative courted by anti-Trump Republicans to launch a long-shot third-party bid, McMullin has virtually no public profile. He doesn’t appear regularly on television, and has just 135 followers on Twitter. His most high-profile recent appearance seems to have been a TEDx talk about genocide he gave at London Business School in April.

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In 2011, McMullin transitioned to the investment banking sector at Goldman Sachs

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His Highest-Profile Speech Is a TEDx Talk on Genocide in April

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McMullin Thinks America Needs to Show Strength Around the World & Criticized Obama for Leaving Iraq

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2016, 10:42:10 AM

http://www.evanmcmullin.com/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: thisismyusername on August 08, 2016, 02:05:04 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2016, 06:33:08 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 06, 2016, 05:58:10 PM

Why can't anyone in this election cycle apparently put together a decent visualization of data :stahp

Hillary =  :obama

Trump = :donot

Johnson =  :hans1

Stein =    :idont

This post needs to be hall-of-famed all on it's own. :lol :lol :lol :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: octopushover on August 08, 2016, 02:12:19 PM

(https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-08/8/8/asset/buzzfeed-prod-web13/sub-buzz-4242-1470659345-1.jpg?no-auto)

Quote from: benjipwns on August 08, 2016, 09:14:31 AM

THE REPUBLICAN SAVIOR

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Key players in GOP’s anti-Trump movement are preparing to launch an independent presidential campaign for Evan McMullin — a CIA veteran and the chief policy director of the House Republican conference — sources close to the effort told BuzzFeed News.

Veteran Republican strategist Rick Wilson, a Florida-based media consultant and outspoken Trump critic, is expected to be involved in McMullin’s campaign. Sources said Wilson was in Washington on Sunday meeting with members of McMullin’s prospective campaign — which includes some who were involved in a group called Better for America, which has been pushing an independent presidential bid.

McMullin did not immediately respond to requests for comment from BuzzFeed News. He would make for an unlikely presidential candidate. He has never held elective office before and has spent most of his career as a CIA officer, according to his LinkedIn page. Young and unmarried, McMullin received an MBA at Wharton in 2011, and after a stint at Goldman Sachs, went to work as a policy wonk on Capitol Hill.

Unlike National Review writer David French, another conservative courted by anti-Trump Republicans to launch a long-shot third-party bid, McMullin has virtually no public profile. He doesn’t appear regularly on television, and has just 135 followers on Twitter. His most high-profile recent appearance seems to have been a TEDx talk about genocide he gave at London Business School in April.

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In 2011, McMullin transitioned to the investment banking sector at Goldman Sachs

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His Highest-Profile Speech Is a TEDx Talk on Genocide in April

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McMullin Thinks America Needs to Show Strength Around the World & Criticized Obama for Leaving Iraq

look at this humpty dumpty motherfucker right here

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 08, 2016, 02:40:34 PM

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My Fellow Americans,

Our American Nation is the greatest experiment in freedom the world has ever known. It’s given generations of citizens the blessings of liberty ever since the Founding Fathers risked their lives in what seemed like an improbable bid for independence. While the republic they created was one of imperfect freedoms, for 240 years the arc of progress and liberty has moved ever-upward. Even in times of economic crisis and war, our nation has been a singular source of hope for people throughout the world yearning for liberty, dignity and opportunity.

I proudly and quietly served our country for most of my adult life, first as an undercover operations officer with the Central Intelligence Agency and more recently as a senior national security and policy advisor in the House of Representatives. My service has given me unique, firsthand knowledge of the threats our nation faces, the burdens borne by hardworking Americans, and the numerous areas of our government that desperately need reform.

Like millions of Americans, I had hoped this year would bring us better nominees who, despite party differences, could offer compelling visions of a better future. Instead, we have been left with two candidates who are fundamentally unfit for the profound responsibilities they seek.

Hillary Clinton is a corrupt career politician who has recklessly handled classified information in an attempt to avoid accountability and put American lives at risk including those of my former colleagues. She fails the basic tests of judgment and ethics any candidate for President must meet. Moreover, she only offers stale economic ideas like the same old top-down government control that has brought us eight years of historically low growth.

Donald Trump appeals to the worst fears of Americans at a time we need unity, not division. Republicans are deeply divided by a man who is perilously close to gaining the most powerful position in the world, and many rightly see him as a real threat to our Republic. Given his obvious personal instability, putting him in command of our military and nuclear arsenal would be deeply irresponsible. His infatuation with strongmen and demagogues like Vladimir Putin is anathema to America values. We cannot and must not elect him.

Millions of Americans are not being represented by either of these candidates; those of us who care about the strength of the military and intelligence services find little to embrace in either Trump or Clinton.

Americans who believe in limited, Constitutional government that is smaller, smarter, and more accountable view both Clinton and Trump as symbols of corruption and excess that provide no hope of basic competence in the federal government.

Those who embrace the dignity and value of every human life from conception until death; who understand the crushing danger of our unsustainable national debt; who believe deference to our Constitution outweighs partisan political priorities are all looking for something better than the two major party candidates are offering. These foundational and time-tested principles transcend party and politics but sadly have no champion in this election. We must not abandon the fight for these values, for doing so will deprive future generations of Americans the bright future we want to give them.

With the stakes so high for our nation and at this late stage in the process, I can no longer stand on the sidelines. Our country needs leaders who are in it for the right reasons and who actually understand what makes this country the greatest on earth. Leaders who will unite us and guide us to a prosperous, secure future, beyond the dysfunction of a broken political system.

Just as the American Revolution required men and women devoted to liberty and freedom to stand up and be counted, this moment calls a new generation to the same sacred task. With that in mind, I have decided to pursue the cause of American renewal and the Presidency of the United States of America.

With Hope For Our Future,

Evan McMullin

Evan McMullin is an independent candidate for President.

website is expanding quickly: https://www.evanmcmullin.com/issues (https://www.evanmcmullin.com/issues)

he supports a strong america that creates good jobs and has a smartly run government and has no abortion on demand and replacing the failed obamacare with quality modern health care

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Post by: octopushover on August 08, 2016, 02:45:07 PM

he supports a small government with just enough horses and men to put him back together again

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 08, 2016, 06:03:53 PM

Monday afternoon the New York Times published an open letter from 50 foreign policy hands who had served in Republican administrations pledging to oppose Donald Trump. The letter, which you can read at the end of this post, suggests Trump "would be the most reckless president in American history." (http://www.vox.com/2016/8/8/12404602/donald-trump-republican-foreign-policy-officials-letter)

Dis fuccery :lawd

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Post by: Tasty on August 08, 2016, 06:07:37 PM

Quote

Trump’s current poll numbers are abysmal — a new poll has him down seven points in Georgia, a state Democrats haven’t won in a quarter century.

Sheeeeiiiit brehs :whew

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Post by: Tasty on August 08, 2016, 06:18:18 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/fMk96eB.png)

Texas getting prettttttyyy light.  :betty

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Post by: Trent Dole on August 08, 2016, 06:46:37 PM

^Wow, November is going to be a fucking bloodbath. Hope some of that flows through to the congressional houses. It's really funny to see Trump boosters complain that the polls must be biased when in actuality members of his own party are out in droves speaking against him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Mandark on August 08, 2016, 07:13:06 PM

I expect it to tighten a bit at some point, since there are still lots of people looking for reasons not to vote for Hillary, and she'll get a run of bad press for whatever reason.  But yeah, not looking great for Trump right now.

Also, whatever happened to that james dude in this thread?

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Post by: Rufus on August 08, 2016, 07:45:35 PM

This guy
http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=39348

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 08, 2016, 09:21:33 PM

Quote from: Mandark on August 08, 2016, 07:13:06 PM

I expect it to tighten a bit at some point, since there are still lots of people looking for reasons not to vote for Hillary, and she'll get a run of bad press for whatever reason.  But yeah, not looking great for Trump right now.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/comparing-2012-and-2016

Really puts things into stark perspective.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2016, 11:19:20 PM

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/762839590902206464

(http://i.imgur.com/yzOGp6d.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 08, 2016, 11:39:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 08, 2016, 11:19:20 PM

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/762839590902206464

(http://i.imgur.com/yzOGp6d.png)

jesus christ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 08, 2016, 11:45:08 PM

Keep fuckin that chicken, brehs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: VomKriege on August 09, 2016, 01:02:59 AM

I would say it's dumb but they convinced some of their viewers that your president is a secret Kenyan muslim, so you know...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: brawndolicious on August 09, 2016, 01:49:58 AM

Why would the polls tighten up? That's what happens when you have normal candidates with the experience and foresight to know that you should look like a leader and have a consistent, calm message to retreat to in dark times.

Trump is not normal and I expect the final results to be wider than the 7 or so percent polls are showing now. It's not like people could stand his bullshitting forever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Mandark on August 09, 2016, 02:09:23 AM

Not saying it will necessarily be tight at the end, but we've got three more months of this bullshit and I would be surprised if there isn't at least one week where Trump gets a good round of polling and it's at least temporarily closer than it is now.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2016, 02:50:15 AM

The way the media tends to cover these things in a horse race bias style (and in general just a shitty faux balance approach) and just the law of averages probably says the race will tighten up some. Which is different than saying of course that Trump is going to win.

The media tends to get tired of the same narrative which also dictates coverage. From the get go and through out I think Hillary has the advantages and it will take some major catastrophe or America getting super dumb in the next 3 months for Trump to win. I never count out the latter since we elected George Bush twice but I wouldn't bet on it this time hopefully. 

The map and demographics are clearly in favor of Hillary but I tend to take any poll this far out as nice but let's wait a bit and let things get closer before we start predicting a historic blowout.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2016, 08:33:22 AM

The media wants a tight race. I saw a bit of NBC this week (via Twitter). Chuck Todd was presenting the new NBC poll that has Clinton up 9 points. The very first thing he said was that "this poll has bad news for both candidates." Seriously?

And of course don't forget Clinton will be hit with more email leaks. She's also likely to make another unforced error or two. Obviously she's going to win big but I'd expect the polls to tighten at least twice between now and late October.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 09, 2016, 09:13:57 AM

Where's AiA telling us we're all deluded and she's doomed to lose

:neogaf

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Post by: archie4208 on August 09, 2016, 11:25:27 AM

Hillary is slgihtly ahead in Georgia.   :leon

My vote might be useful for once.   :jawalrus

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Brehvolution on August 09, 2016, 01:45:37 PM

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2016/08/clinton-leads-in-nc-for-first-time-since-march.html

Quote

-69% of Trump voters think that if Hillary Clinton wins the election it will be because it was rigged, to only 16% who think it would be because she got more vote than Trump. More specifically 40% of Trump voters think that ACORN (which hasn't existed in years) will steal the election for Clinton. That shows the long staying power of GOP conspiracy theories.

Quote

-Even though Trump ended up admitting it didn't exist 47% of his voters say they saw the video of Iran collecting 400 million dollars from the United States to only 46% who say they didn't see the video. Showing the extent to which the ideas Trump floats and the coverage they get can overshadow the facts, even 25% of Clinton voters claim to have seen the nonexistent video.

:cac

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 09, 2016, 02:15:59 PM

First ACORN came for Trump and no one said a word, Breh.  No one said a word. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2016, 03:38:43 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 09, 2016, 03:35:31 PM

apparently Trumpy trump just now insinuated gun owners murder Hillary Clinton if they don't want her to be president :holeup

video

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/763093253260390400

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 09, 2016, 03:45:03 PM

wtf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Trent Dole on August 09, 2016, 04:05:47 PM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on August 09, 2016, 04:28:13 PM

just when you thought trump couldnt say dumber shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2016, 04:53:52 PM

He's just saying though, he just hears things on the Internet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2016, 05:11:14 PM

(http://65.media.tumblr.com/4409e8363b3bc9f2db980cda46092fb1/tumblr_oavqj0gywb1rr5t33o1_1280.jpg)
:dead

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Post by: brawndolicious on August 09, 2016, 05:36:41 PM

I've been getting more and more suspicious that Trump is planning to veer to the right rather than become more moderate. Since he isn't going to win at this point unless there's a 9/11 level attack in the US but his best (realistic)  expectation is to get hardcore conservatives to go and vote. So he doesn't have to lose in a landslide.

Are his comments dangerous? Absolutely which is why he can't be president. But he also doesn't actually want to directly order a domestic terror group to go and do terrorist attacks because that would hurt his popularity even more of course.

I'm being totally serious. That's how I think he sees the world.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2016, 05:56:08 PM

BREHS

Quote

@LEBassett

Katrina Pierson's long-awaited explanation: Trump was saying an assassination "could" happen, not that it "should" happen.

https://twitter.com/LEBassett/status/763110016152928258
(http://i.imgur.com/Yt3vzFt.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 09, 2016, 06:44:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2016, 05:11:14 PM

(http://65.media.tumblr.com/4409e8363b3bc9f2db980cda46092fb1/tumblr_oavqj0gywb1rr5t33o1_1280.jpg)
:dead

oh my god :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 09, 2016, 06:47:07 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on August 09, 2016, 06:18:18 PM

This is floating on Facebook atm
 (https://scontent.ftpa1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13876124_1225169200849939_6951312113206566703_n.jpg?oh=fe9c42fa7c9fcb10a70ff777042c855c&oe=585595D3)
 Made by the page unironically titled "The Three Percenters Club".

I wonder how many of the people this dude mentioned are actually suffering crippling poverty.  Probably all of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Van Cruncheon on August 09, 2016, 06:51:13 PM

they'll work harder real soon now as soon as the government gets off their back and quits propping up dem black ghetto thugz am i rite

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2016, 07:01:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2016, 03:38:43 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 09, 2016, 03:35:31 PM

apparently Trumpy trump just now insinuated gun owners murder Hillary Clinton if they don't want her to be president :holeup

video

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/763093253260390400

On the plus side, we did get this sweet Warren tweet in reply:

Quote

.@realDonaldTrump makes death threats because he's a pathetic coward who can’t handle the fact that he’s losing to a girl.

— Elizabeth Warren (@elizabethforma) August 9, 2016

:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 09, 2016, 07:05:26 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVgHaTPM38A

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 09, 2016, 09:51:51 PM

Here's Why Trump Supporters Shouldn't Be Discouraged By The Polls (http://www.hannity.com/articles/election-493995/heres-why-trump-supporters-shouldnt-be-14991957/)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i.imgur.com/qsrBVQv.jpg)

[close]

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Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2016, 12:17:22 AM

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Consider the two candidates’ Facebook accounts: Trump has over 10 million “likes” while Hillary has just over 5 million.

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2016, 08:40:53 AM

I was just surprised he didn't call them the two amendment people.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:32:24 PM

Meanwhile, while the media is doing there thing....Ill just leave this here.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch/index.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on August 10, 2016, 12:38:18 PM

So they got someone a job, and at another point they connected a big player in Lebanon with the ambassador to Lebanon.

Truly shocking. How will they ever survive this.

You may be okay with this method of hiring because you don't know any better, but this is an affront to the system she is trying to preach.

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 12:42:52 PM

Hillary was inevitable. She has so much of the establishment and name recognition it's difficult for her not to have won, it would take another Obama to stop her and Bernie is not that.

But the republicans reached deep into their ranks and searched for their best and came up with...Trump???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:45:06 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 12:42:52 PM

Hillary was inevitable. She has so much of the establishment and name recognition it's difficult for her not to have won, it would take another Obama to stop her and Bernie is not that.

But the republicans reached deep into their ranks and searched for their best and came up with...Trump???

Nah he was a wildcard. They should have ran Kasich he would probably win.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 12:46:00 PM

I....I agree with AiA.
What's happening to me? :brazilcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 10, 2016, 12:46:23 PM

Republicans delved too greedily and too deep.  You know what they awoke in the darkness of Trump tower. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 12:47:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on August 10, 2016, 12:38:18 PM

So they got someone a job, and at another point they connected a big player in Lebanon with the ambassador to Lebanon.

Truly shocking. How will they ever survive this.

You may be okay with this method of hiring because you don't know any better, but this is an affront to the system she is trying to preach.

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

:lol

Don't you own a successful business, deal with successful business people, you've met Dan Gilbert etc? And you honestly are shocked that favor for a favor shit happens?
:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:48:05 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 10, 2016, 12:46:23 PM

Republicans delved too greedily and too deep.  You know what they awoke in the darkness of Trump tower.

A guy who is going to get blown out in this election and ruin his reputation. Maybe they were playing the long con?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:48:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 12:47:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on August 10, 2016, 12:38:18 PM

So they got someone a job, and at another point they connected a big player in Lebanon with the ambassador to Lebanon.

Truly shocking. How will they ever survive this.

You may be okay with this method of hiring because you don't know any better, but this is an affront to the system she is trying to preach.

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

:lol

Don't you own a successful business, deal with successful business people, you've met Dan Gilbert etc? And you honestly are shocked that favor for a favor shit happens?
:neogaf

In the private sector? Nope

In the public sector? If you even endorse this activity I question your morals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 12:57:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:48:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 12:47:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on August 10, 2016, 12:38:18 PM

So they got someone a job, and at another point they connected a big player in Lebanon with the ambassador to Lebanon.

Truly shocking. How will they ever survive this.

You may be okay with this method of hiring because you don't know any better, but this is an affront to the system she is trying to preach.

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

:lol

Don't you own a successful business, deal with successful business people, you've met Dan Gilbert etc? And you honestly are shocked that favor for a favor shit happens?
:neogaf

In the private sector? Nope

:hitler
ok

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:00:41 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 12:57:49 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:48:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 12:47:42 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Quote from: Jack Remington on August 10, 2016, 12:38:18 PM

So they got someone a job, and at another point they connected a big player in Lebanon with the ambassador to Lebanon.

Truly shocking. How will they ever survive this.

You may be okay with this method of hiring because you don't know any better, but this is an affront to the system she is trying to preach.

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

:lol

Don't you own a successful business, deal with successful business people, you've met Dan Gilbert etc? And you honestly are shocked that favor for a favor shit happens?
:neogaf

In the private sector? Nope

:hitler
ok

Dude a private sectors job is to make profit.

This job is to improve lives. No offense I ain't putting drunk cousin Leon on the payroll because you asked me to.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:01:53 PM

Y'all know Hillary don't give a fuck about you right?

Where you at in life when you just an unspoken cuck to the Democratic Party

:dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on August 10, 2016, 01:10:12 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:32:24 PM

Meanwhile, while the media is doing there thing....Ill just leave this here.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/09/politics/hillary-clinton-emails-judicial-watch/index.html

"while THE MEDIA is doing it's thing, I'm gonna link you to CNN"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:36:35 PM

That salt.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 01:36:54 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

AiA and JayDubya both parroting this is one of the funniest things this election.

Trump is the GOP personified and deified.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:39:27 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 10, 2016, 01:36:54 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

AiA and JayDubya both parroting this is one of the funniest things this election.

Trump is the GOP personified and deified.

Republicans always do this. It's how they justify voting for their awful candidates.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 01:41:52 PM

Look, look, no ones perfect. I mean Hindenberg was at war too! He's just as bad as Hitler.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:43:50 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 10, 2016, 01:36:54 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

Get over it man, she's just as big of a monster as trump. Worst election ever.

AiA and JayDubya both parroting this is one of the funniest things this election.

Trump is the GOP personified and deified.

First of all, no salt.

Somebody link me to ever saying a good thing about trump.

Difference between me and you, short stuff, is I don't pretend to support someone who shits all over me.

I mean me and PD really the only ones who could benefit from her presidency anyway :yeshrug

But keep being the good white cucks you are. Its mystifying and stupid and I can't look away.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 01:47:35 PM

Like I've said. Hillary is easily the best republican in the race.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:48:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:46:26 PM

Trump is an authoritarian.  He is not economically rightist, loving absolutely the notion of mixed economy and the corrupt nature in which big government can grant special favors to certain businesses.  He is not a conservative.  His public record of statements and his donations to candidates and organizations indicate clearly that his current political claims are opportunistic and fraudulent.

Hillary is somehow even more of a cynical and nasty candidate than that.

They haven't an ounce of integrity between them.  It's disgusting.

Says the racist bag of shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:49:26 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 01:47:35 PM

Like I've said. Hillary is easily the best republican in the race.

Funny thing is, if she ran republican she'd be a hero. So weird this particular race is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:50:41 PM

Got him!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:50:04 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:48:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:46:26 PM

Trump is an authoritarian.  He is not economically rightist, loving absolutely the notion of mixed economy and the corrupt nature in which big government can grant special favors to certain businesses.  He is not a conservative.  His public record of statements and his donations to candidates and organizations indicate clearly that his current political claims are opportunistic and fraudulent.

Hillary is somehow even more of a cynical and nasty candidate than that.

They haven't an ounce of integrity between them.  It's disgusting.

Says the racist bag of shit.

A leftwing moron accusing someone of racism appropriate of nothing?  A black moron doing so no less?

My, how novel.

Could you be more of a useless cliche if you tried?

What do you mean, black moron? Now would be a great time to explain yourself.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:53:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:50:04 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:48:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:46:26 PM

Trump is an authoritarian.  He is not economically rightist, loving absolutely the notion of mixed economy and the corrupt nature in which big government can grant special favors to certain businesses.  He is not a conservative.  His public record of statements and his donations to candidates and organizations indicate clearly that his current political claims are opportunistic and fraudulent.

Hillary is somehow even more of a cynical and nasty candidate than that.

They haven't an ounce of integrity between them.  It's disgusting.

Says the racist bag of shit.

A leftwing moron accusing someone of racism appropriate of nothing?  A black moron doing so no less?

My, how novel.

Could you be more of a useless cliche if you tried?

What do you mean, black moron? Now would be a great time to explain yourself.

He's talking to me not you. He's an asshat but he is justified in being an asshat on this occasion since I go at him every chance I can get.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:54:25 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:53:26 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:50:04 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:48:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:46:26 PM

Trump is an authoritarian.  He is not economically rightist, loving absolutely the notion of mixed economy and the corrupt nature in which big government can grant special favors to certain businesses.  He is not a conservative.  His public record of statements and his donations to candidates and organizations indicate clearly that his current political claims are opportunistic and fraudulent.

Hillary is somehow even more of a cynical and nasty candidate than that.

They haven't an ounce of integrity between them.  It's disgusting.

Says the racist bag of shit.

A leftwing moron accusing someone of racism appropriate of nothing?  A black moron doing so no less?

My, how novel.

Could you be more of a useless cliche if you tried?

What do you mean, black moron? Now would be a great time to explain yourself.

He's talking to me not you.

I don't care who he's talking too. That shit is :trash

Leper this guy already.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 01:56:40 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:43:50 PM

Difference between me and you, short stuff, is I don't pretend to support someone who shits all over me.

I mean me and PD really the only ones who could benefit from her presidency anyway :yeshrug

But keep being the good white cucks you are. Its mystifying and stupid and I can't look away.

:huh

Wait so it's impossible to vote for someone unless they do things that directly benefit only you?  :confused

How about I'm voting for Hillary (outside of stopping Trump) because:

I'm against LGBT discrimination.

I'm against Citizen's United.

I'm against the wage gap.

I believe public tuition should be debt-free.

I believe in higher taxes on the wealthy.

I believe in stricter gun regulation.

I believe Obamacare should be extended.

I believe Hillary is more qualified in foreign policy than any of the other presidential nominees.

:win

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2016, 01:57:30 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:46:26 PM

Trump is an authoritarian.  He is not economically rightist, loving absolutely the notion of mixed economy and the corrupt nature in which big government can grant special favors to certain businesses.  He is not a conservative.  His public record of statements and his donations to candidates and organizations indicate clearly that his current political claims are opportunistic and fraudulent.

It's so true an yet I've only seen one "conservative" really call him out on it. You would have thought the debates would have brought more of this stuff out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:57:46 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 10, 2016, 01:56:40 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:43:50 PM

Difference between me and you, short stuff, is I don't pretend to support someone who shits all over me.

I mean me and PD really the only ones who could benefit from her presidency anyway :yeshrug

But keep being the good white cucks you are. Its mystifying and stupid and I can't look away.

:huh

Wait so it's impossible to vote for someone unless they do things that directly benefit only you?  :confused

How about I'm voting for Hillary (outside of stopping Trump) because:

I'm against LGBT discrimination.

I'm against Citizen's United.

I'm against the wage gap.

I believe public tuition should be debt-free.

I believe in higher taxes on the wealthy.

I believe in stricter gun regulation.

I believe Obamacare should be extended.

I believe Hillary is more qualified in foreign policy than any of the other presidential nominees.

:win

She doesn't care about anything you posted and if you think she's going to change anything you've posted with a republican congress I need some of whatever you're smoking breh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:59:14 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:57:00 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:52:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:50:04 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 01:48:21 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:46:26 PM

Trump is an authoritarian.  He is not economically rightist, loving absolutely the notion of mixed economy and the corrupt nature in which big government can grant special favors to certain businesses.  He is not a conservative.  His public record of statements and his donations to candidates and organizations indicate clearly that his current political claims are opportunistic and fraudulent.

Hillary is somehow even more of a cynical and nasty candidate than that.

They haven't an ounce of integrity between them.  It's disgusting.

Says the racist bag of shit.

A leftwing moron accusing someone of racism appropriate of nothing?  A black moron doing so no less?

My, how novel.

Could you be more of a useless cliche if you tried?

What do you mean, black moron? Now would be a great time to explain yourself.

A person of low intelligence who simultaneously happens to produce lots of melanin due to genetic factors.

Referring, of course, to this motherfucker right here.

Cheers.

I'd consider this a compliment coming from narrow minded ass white trash like yourself. What's wrong? A black man steal your woman?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 02:00:02 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 01:57:46 PM

She doesn't care about anything you posted and if you think she's going to change anything you've posted with a republican congress I need some of whatever you're smoking breh.

Ah the old "<candidate> doesn't actually believe it" trope combined with the "<candidate> can't actually accomplish it anyway with <obstructionist party> congress" trope. Haven't heard that before.

Also, the House is totally in play this election thanks to Trump (and that's freaking the GOP out.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

And as for "wage gap" one is worth what the market will bear. Looking down upon those making a higher wage then you in unproductive and asinine and I can't wait for the 2% of these wage cucks who actually make something of their lives subtly switch sides when they get there.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 02:01:15 PM

meh. Jaydub is a lot of things. A phony, a hypocrite, etc. But he's not evil intentioned on a personal basis. He's just mad at the moment because I like to call him out his political bullshit. No big deal.

Back on topic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:02:58 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 02:01:15 PM

meh. Jaydub is a lot of things. A phony, a hypocrite, etc. But he's not evil intentioned on a personal basis. He's just mad at the moment because I like to call him out his political bullshit. No big deal.

Well then he needs to keep his uneducated bias on race in check. No need for that shit in here, we are all equal level Fucktards.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 02:04:23 PM

Point is, I'm taking Hillary on her word, as we have to do with all politions running for election. There has to be some good faith otherwise you wouldn't be able to vote at all.

If Hillary actually doesn't do shit, she won't have my vote in 2020.

And she's not an idiot, she knows that. Which is why I think she'll work her hardest.

Even ignoring all that shit, I still think she's the most qualified presidential candidate from either party and she'll at least not fuck things up for me and my friends as bad as anyone in the GOP would.

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/13/485899139/republican-platform-tilts-right-of-trump-on-lgbt-issues

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 02:05:55 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

And as for "wage gap" one is worth what the market will bear. Looking down upon those making a higher wage then you in unproductive and asinine and I can't wait for the 2% of these wage cucks who actually make something of their lives subtly switch sides when they get there.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

Ah, I wasn't talking about the 1% wage gap but the female wage gap. It's bullshit and thankfully MA is on the leading edge of fighting it.  (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/business/dealbook/wage-gap-massachusetts-law-salary-history.html)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:06:04 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 10, 2016, 02:04:23 PM

Point is, I'm taking Hillary on her word, as we have to do with all politions running for election. There has to be some good faith otherwise you wouldn't be able to vote at all.

If Hillary actually doesn't do shit, she won't have my vote in 2020.

And she's not an idiot, she knows that. Which is why I think she'll work her hardest.

Even ignoring all that shit, I still think she's the most qualified presidential candidate from either party and she'll at least not fuck things up for me and my friends as bad as anyone in the GOP would.

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/13/485899139/republican-platform-tilts-right-of-trump-on-lgbt-issues

I'll slide you to the me and PD side of benefitting from Hillary. You made a good point here.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:06:59 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 10, 2016, 02:05:55 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

And as for "wage gap" one is worth what the market will bear. Looking down upon those making a higher wage then you in unproductive and asinine and I can't wait for the 2% of these wage cucks who actually make something of their lives subtly switch sides when they get there.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

Ah, I wasn't talking about the 1% wage gap but the female wage gap. It's bullshit and thankfully MA is on the leading edge of fighting it.  (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/03/business/dealbook/wage-gap-massachusetts-law-salary-history.html)

Again thanks for clarifying. It's getting better FYI. Slowly but surely. Two of my 5 highest paid exempt employees are female.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 02:09:16 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:06:04 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 10, 2016, 02:04:23 PM

Point is, I'm taking Hillary on her word, as we have to do with all politions running for election. There has to be some good faith otherwise you wouldn't be able to vote at all.

If Hillary actually doesn't do shit, she won't have my vote in 2020.

And she's not an idiot, she knows that. Which is why I think she'll work her hardest.

Even ignoring all that shit, I still think she's the most qualified presidential candidate from either party and she'll at least not fuck things up for me and my friends as bad as anyone in the GOP would.

http://www.npr.org/2016/07/13/485899139/republican-platform-tilts-right-of-trump-on-lgbt-issues

I'll slide you to the me and PD side of benefitting from Hillary. You made a good point here.

:mynicca

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 02:11:26 PM

Not taking the bait.

Anyway, why can't Hillary's VP run for president, he seems, err, normal?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 02:14:20 PM

http://chartsme.com/

Your brain is a Democrat

Conservative (38%)
Liberal (62%)

Probably bogus in many many ways but whatever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2016, 02:14:27 PM

Stop being a clown, JayDubya, and move on down the road.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 02:18:23 PM

Guys, guys. Hillary is going to overturn citizens united!!! :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 02:23:34 PM

Also I'm not dismissing Clinton cronyism. It's one of the things that will make me constantly roll my eyes/smh over the next four years. But let's not act like Hillary's "corruption" is not par the course throughout much of DC. AiA you're reaching Bernie Bro levels of dumbness, ie "omg Hillary gave a donor a job SCANDAL OMG"
:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2016, 02:24:11 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 02:16:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2016, 02:14:27 PM

Stop being a clown, JayDubya, and move on down the road.

Just defending oneself against personal attacks, sir.

Don't like it, maybe go find a nice bag of dicks to munch on?

Your shtick is tired, bub.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 02:34:27 PM

Someone isn't heeding the thread title :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 10, 2016, 02:43:43 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:58:50 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 10, 2016, 01:57:30 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on August 10, 2016, 01:46:26 PM

Trump is an authoritarian.  He is not economically rightist, loving absolutely the notion of mixed economy and the corrupt nature in which big government can grant special favors to certain businesses.  He is not a conservative.  (http://His public record of statements and his donations to candidates and organizations indicate clearly that his current political claims are opportunistic and fraudulent).

It's so true an yet I've only seen one "conservative" really call him out on it. You would have thought the debates would have brought more of this stuff out.

They did.

Nothing changed.

It makes no sense.

It's almost as if what motivates a large number of people in this country is actually racial grievance politics instead of conservative ideals!

That couldn't be the case, though, because if it were it would mean that we'd actually need shit like the voting rights act, and we all know that's not true!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 10, 2016, 02:48:06 PM

Jack Remington, thoughts on Trump's implosion?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 10, 2016, 04:02:02 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 10, 2016, 12:58:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

she's just as big of a monster as trump

(http://i.imgur.com/CagMoO9.gif)

I need an extension to make all of AIA's posts in Comic Sans.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 04:19:13 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on August 10, 2016, 04:02:02 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 10, 2016, 12:58:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on August 10, 2016, 12:39:39 PM

she's just as big of a monster as trump

(http://i.imgur.com/CagMoO9.gif)

I need an extension to make all of AIA's posts in Comic Sans.

:dead

Man, see this is what it is with the law and a black man  :gloomy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Brehvolution on August 10, 2016, 04:44:31 PM

(http://dr35ey0x3otoq.cloudfront.net/uploads/default/original/3X/e/9/e9a4ca7ed8de5bb05e6f875216fcce59a9049c98.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 05:23:47 PM

Anyways:

N.D. legislator who voted against gay rights bill caught sending pics on Grindr (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/29/n-d-legislator-caught-sending-grindr-pics-after-voting-against-gay-rights-bill/)

Quote

Since his election in 2002, Boehning has proved a staunch conservative. He has pushed to allow guns in classrooms and churches and sponsored strict voter identification requirements. He once attacked Democrats over their effort to give poor kids extra milk at school. Twice, he’s voted against expanding legal protections for gays.

Kids don't need milk, they need guns :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Rufus on August 10, 2016, 05:28:19 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on August 10, 2016, 02:04:58 PM

Is JayDubya doing a bit?

Nope. Enjoy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: thisismyusername on August 10, 2016, 07:09:20 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 10, 2016, 05:23:47 PM

Anyways:

N.D. legislator who voted against gay rights bill caught sending pics on Grindr (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/04/29/n-d-legislator-caught-sending-grindr-pics-after-voting-against-gay-rights-bill/)

Quote

Since his election in 2002, Boehning has proved a staunch conservative. He has pushed to allow guns in classrooms and churches and sponsored strict voter identification requirements. He once attacked Democrats over their effort to give poor kids extra milk at school. Twice, he’s voted against expanding legal protections for gays.

Kids don't need milk, they need guns :american

Oh, they certainly need milk alright... *porno music here*

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I'm going to hell for making the obvious joke.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: Atramental on August 10, 2016, 07:24:28 PM

>Implying we aren't already in hell

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: thisismyusername on August 10, 2016, 07:59:31 PM

Stupid internal server error.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 10, 2016, 08:08:36 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 10, 2016, 04:44:31 PM

(http://dr35ey0x3otoq.cloudfront.net/uploads/default/original/3X/e/9/e9a4ca7ed8de5bb05e6f875216fcce59a9049c98.png)

Secret Service spoke to Trump campaign about 2nd Amendment comment (http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/trump-second-amendment/index.html)

but Trump was like... "Nuh-uh, that totally didn't happen". (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-secret-service-226886)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: brob on August 10, 2016, 10:22:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP493LmSJrE&feature=youtu.be

real school shooter vibes from the dude who climbed trump tower

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 10, 2016, 10:31:17 PM

:kobeyuck
Maybe now Trump will rethink his stance on not banning guns for the mentally ill

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: octopushover on August 10, 2016, 10:56:13 PM

had to edit in the thank you  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Oblivion on August 11, 2016, 11:09:07 AM

Just wonderin'...does Jaydub support the Voting Rights Act?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2016, 02:37:22 PM

Please diagram this sentence for the class.

Quote

Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist  and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart —you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it's true!—but when you're a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it's four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians  are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2016, 02:40:24 PM

Forget diagramming it, just explain what it means and we'll consider it good enough.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on August 11, 2016, 02:41:48 PM

I'll take a shot

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(https://afixerupper.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/auger_diagram.jpg)

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: thisismyusername on August 11, 2016, 02:49:17 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2016, 02:40:24 PM

Forget diagramming it, just explain what it means and we'll consider it good enough.

Literal:

Trump is explaining that his uncle was a professor of Economic from "the Wharton School of Finance" and taught at MIT. Since he's republican, that makes him having to state that (I'm a smart person, I come from a smart-family) all the time compared to the democrats where he "would be the smartest person in the room." He then has a stroke, hits his head, tries to explain his nuclear winter factor (where he's dumb and asked three times about why we just don't nuke folks) and says his uncle explained this to him 35 years ago (and you don't remember this? :gurl :comeon ) has a seizure in the middle of this, belts out something about prisoners and them being nuked (so I guess the "dem towelheads?"). Segues into women being smarter than men, which segues into the middle east and their treatment of women being bad.

So, shortening that even more:

"My uncle was a smart man, that taught at MIT and therefore I come from a smart family. I want to nuke the Middle East because they treat women badly, despite being told by my uncle 35 years ago why this is a bad idea."

(Of course this is hard to parse without the entire conversation/in-context)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2016, 02:55:07 PM

Donald went to Whaton, his uncle went to MIT. That kinda got lost in the stream of consciousness.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2016, 03:03:43 PM

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At Clinton headquarters in Brooklyn, aides still nursing scars from skirmishes with Bernie Sanders marveled at their good fortune. As in all campaigns, researchers watch every public event, read every interview, archive every tweet. “On other campaigns, we would have to scrounge for crumbs,” says a senior Clinton adviser. “Here, it’s a fire hose. He can set himself on fire at breakfast, kill a nun at lunch and waterboard a puppy in the afternoon. And that doesn’t even get us to prime time.”

http://time.com/4447985/inside-donald-trump-meltdown/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 11, 2016, 04:39:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjlorYteUsA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cplgy5XWIAAygZq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ul5ihobl.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplRK9YXYAAdNRa.jpg)





"Trump and Hillary are the same, guys."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 11, 2016, 04:41:15 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2016, 03:03:43 PM

Quote

He can set himself on fire at breakfast, kill a nun at lunch and waterboard a puppy in the afternoon. And that doesn’t even get us to prime time.”

http://time.com/4447985/inside-donald-trump-meltdown/

To be fair, the fire was to burn off weakness, the nun was mexican and therefore an illegal immigrant probably intent on raping small children with drugs (I don't know), and the puppy when it barked made a "Allahu" kind of noise. We needed to make sure it wasn't part of ISIS. :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2016, 05:13:07 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 11, 2016, 04:39:07 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cplgy5XWIAAygZq.jpg)

Haven't seen word salad this thoroughly mixed since Palin, and I don't think even she could power through so many half-sentences and half thoughts without coming up for air. Trump is just on a whole different level of self-confident derp that nobody can touch him.

I just don't understand anybody can listen to him talk this way, for any length of time, and think "Yeah, this is definitely the person I want to vote for."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2016, 05:23:29 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/republicans-sign-letter-urging-rnc-to-cut-off-trump-funds

Dozens of Republicans have signed an open letter urging Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus to shift resources away from the Trump campaign to House and Senate races instead.

According to a report by Politico, the letter urges the RNC to shift resources to vulnerable congressional races in order to "prevent the GOP from drowning with a Trump-emblazoned anchor around its neck."

“We believe that Donald Trump’s divisiveness, recklessness, incompetence, and record-breaking unpopularity risk turning this election into a Democratic landslide," the letter reads, according to the report, which urges "the immediate shift of all available RNC resources to vulnerable Senate and House races."

"This should not be a difficult decision," the letter continues, "as Donald Trump’s chances of being elected president are evaporating by the day.”

The letter goes on to detail "outrages" which have "alienated millions of voters of all parties," ranging from Trump's attacks on the Khan family to his call for Russia to release Democratic opponent Hillary Clinton's emails and his proposed ban on Muslim immigration. Among the more than 70 signees are former RNC staffers and former congressmen.

Republican Andrew Weinstein, one of the letter's organizers, said that the letter is from "people who want the party to protect its majorities in the Senate and the House" but is ultimately "not an endorsement of anybody."

This dumpster fire has NO BRAKES.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2016, 05:29:59 PM

Did Steph Curry found the NBA?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 11, 2016, 05:35:31 PM

When they start eating their own :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2016, 05:41:54 PM

Yaasssss KWEEENNNN

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXDe8HxHBA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Nola on August 11, 2016, 05:44:46 PM

Call me crazy but I almost wish Trump wasn't such a dumpster fire. I mean I want him hated, want his party to turn against him, but just not so much almost everyone turns against him outside his fervent core.

If he turns into the pariah of the party he is trending toward, even losing some of his earlier support, it will be much easier for them to forget, rebuild, distance themselves from his words and move on.

I want a prolonged civil war that tears this party apart. The Republicans deserve it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 11, 2016, 05:46:10 PM

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aoXDe8HxHBA


Posted again because this can't be page bumped by Trump talk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2016, 05:55:28 PM

Quote from: Nola on August 11, 2016, 05:44:46 PM

Call me crazy but I almost wish Trump wasn't such a dumpster fire. I mean I want him hated, want his party to turn against him, but just not so much almost everyone turns against him outside his fervent core.

If he turns into the pariah of the party he is trending toward, even losing some of his earlier support, it will be much easier for them to forget, rebuild, distance themselves from his words and move on.

I want a prolonged civil war that tears this party apart. The Republicans deserve it.

As long as they ignore the underlying causes that led to Trump (decades of misinformation and stoking racial grievances) then they'll continue to be fucked as a party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2016, 06:00:49 PM

As long as the Republican party keeps being racist/maligning anybody who isn't a white male, they will keep going down the same path which is good for Democrats based on the the demographic trends.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Nola on August 11, 2016, 06:21:04 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 11, 2016, 05:55:28 PM

As long as they ignore the underlying causes that led to Trump (decades of misinformation and stoking racial grievances) then they'll continue to be fucked as a party.

Long-term absolutely.

I think without a major rift to divide the party they can successfully drag their feet on reform for a little while longer doing what they have been doing(winning midterms, state elections, gerrymandering, voter suppression, model state legislation, successfully poisoning the well of discourse through obstructionism) and really hinder the next 2-4 years.

What worries me is the scenario where they can fairly easily push aside Trump and his movement without too much inner-party blowback and once again rally around the common enemy of the president and start clawing back and making gains in 2018 and then 2020. Putting everything quickly back into gridlock.

If they are in disarray it would be very hard for them to do that IMO.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 11, 2016, 06:27:53 PM

I think for the short term things will probably continue as they have been with Democrats being strong during presidential election years and then completely dropping the ball during mid-term elections. I wish Democrats would make a stronger effort during mid-terms but the reality is that people completely tune out during those times. Which leaves a smaller subset of active fox news types to go vote.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2016, 06:40:51 PM

Trump's still got a lock on roughly 50% of the GOP base, and that's not going to really change no matter how much a dumpster fire his campaign becomes. That's not something that the party leadership can just ignore, even if they can somehow kick Trump to the curb and retain the House and Senate. The anger and hatred that's been stoked over the past 8 years especially will still be there and Hillary presidency, even hobbled by a opposition Congress, will keep things nice and hot. And party leadership abandoning Trump won't help things, not when Trump is likely to do everything he can to pin his loss on Democratic cheating and Republican cowardice.

But the biggest blow we're likely to see to the GOP in the short-term is the collapse of Fox News as a PR firm and means of keeping party members on message. I don't really think you can overvalue what they've done to energize the GOP base, promote conservative ideas, and push right-win narratives. When that finally comes crashing down, and I think it will within the next year, the loss is going to be almost immediately felt.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Nola on August 11, 2016, 06:43:00 PM

Quote

I think for the short term things will probably continue as they have been with Democrats being strong during presidential election years and then completely dropping the ball during mid-term elections. I wish Democrats would make a stronger effort during mid-terms but the reality is that people completely tune out during those times. Which leaves a smaller subset of active fox news types to go vote.

I agree, Dems suck at getting out in mid-terms, even Silver pointed out weed ballots can't even get young people to give a shit about mid-terms.

Only recently have I started to think this crazy thought that I kinda, sorta, maybe wish Trump wouldn't completely self implode.  That he would possibly have more value to Democrats as a martyr to a solid sect of Republicans, effectively splitting the party, then he would as a disgrace. Maybe allowing enough disarray in mid-terms and in congress to give Democrats some decent openings.

I hope Rumbler is right on that front, as it would seem it is almost inevitable then.

Quote

But the biggest blow we're likely to see to the GOP in the short-term is the collapse of Fox News as a PR firm and means of keeping party members on message. I don't really think you can overvalue what they've done to energize the GOP base, promote conservative ideas, and push right-win narratives. When that finally comes crashing down, and I think it will within the next year, the loss is going to be almost immediately felt.

That would be great.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: brawndolicious on August 11, 2016, 06:50:11 PM

Old people are more conservative and vote more often. I don't know what can be done about that back and forth wave every 2 years.

And llllllloooooaooaoooaoooowwwlwlwllwl at Trump being forgotten or thrown under the bus. They threw every big name GOP contender at him and he humiliated them in the primaries. So badly that someone as universally repulsive as Cruz was the only one who could even get half the number of votes as Trump.  They might hate the guy for being self-destructive and losing but let's not pretend American conservatives know what they want (generally speaking). This dude is more toxic than Dubya, Palin, and whoever else we can't forget.

The party has been in civil war since 2010. I don't see any way to stop this slow motion train crash.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Nola on August 11, 2016, 07:41:54 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on August 11, 2016, 06:50:11 PM

Old people are more conservative and vote more often. I don't know what can be done about that back and forth wave every 2 years.

And llllllloooooaooaoooaoooowwwlwlwllwl at Trump being forgotten or thrown under the bus. They threw every big name GOP contender at him and he humiliated them in the primaries. So badly that someone as universally repulsive as Cruz was the only one who could even get half the number of votes as Trump.  They might hate the guy for being self-destructive and losing but let's not pretend American conservatives know what they want (generally speaking). This dude is more toxic than Dubya, Palin, and whoever else we can't forget.

The party has been in civil war since 2010. I don't see any way to stop this slow motion train crash.

Major, borderline extreme inter-party fighting is all I got. Thats why I said what I did.

Trump is feeding off a base of support that has yet to find a hero they haven't eventually buried or abandoned for one reason or another.

I wouldn't underestimate the fickleness of a group of people(uneducated white conservatives) that continue to rally around cults of personality and one in Trump who has built himself on a house of cards narrative about himself, if that house of cards were to collapse spectacularly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2016, 09:03:44 PM

Obama not only founded ISIS, he also founded Trump's campaign:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8TwRmX6zs4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Boogie on August 11, 2016, 10:26:50 PM

Man, when I think of going from 8 years of Obama killing it at those dinners,  to Hilary trying to be funny at them....  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 11, 2016, 10:27:38 PM

Quote from: Boogie on August 11, 2016, 10:26:50 PM

Man, when I think of going from 8 years of Obama killing it at those dinners,  to Hilary trying to be funny at them....  :-\

#problematic

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 12, 2016, 12:18:45 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2016, 05:13:07 PM

Haven't seen word salad this thoroughly mixed since Palin, and I don't think even she could power through so many half-sentences and half thoughts without coming up for air. Trump is just on a whole different level of self-confident derp that nobody can touch him.

I just don't understand anybody can listen to him talk this way, for any length of time, and think "Yeah, this is definitely the person I want to vote for."

and Palin is almost certainly a (sorta) functional alcoholic, what's Trump's excuse?

Ole' Donny has been putting forth the story that Hilary is mentally unstable, and the Breitbarters  (http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/08/11/pharma-exec-martin-shkreli-believe-hillary-clinton-parkinsons-disease/) are implying that Hilary is of unsound mind and body (http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/08/11/poll-majority-of-voters-want-to-see-hillary-clintons-health-records/), but isn't anybody questioning seriously that Donald Trump might not just be an ill-informed asshole, but is also mentally/physically damaged to be unfit for office?

I mean, the guy is a 70 year old fat dude who never exercises and eats badly. That's not to mention his sometimes mangling of the English language isn't just troubling for the irresponsible comments he often makes, very often I really can't understand what the hell he's even saying at any given time.

Is this something the Dem's are waiting on to exploit? Because it seems kinda like a slam dunk to me. I don't know that its true, but there's clearly enough there to imply that something is up. (http://www.salon.com/2016/08/10/we-do-not-just-need-to-see-trumps-taxes-we-need-a-real-medical-report-on-him/)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: brawndolicious on August 12, 2016, 01:26:28 AM

Hyper, criticizing someone for their mental health is pretty taboo unless you have hard evidence that shows they should be disqualified.

Quote from: Nola on August 11, 2016, 07:41:54 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on August 11, 2016, 06:50:11 PM

Old people are more conservative and vote more often. I don't know what can be done about that back and forth wave every 2 years.

And llllllloooooaooaoooaoooowwwlwlwllwl at Trump being forgotten or thrown under the bus. They threw every big name GOP contender at him and he humiliated them in the primaries. So badly that someone as universally repulsive as Cruz was the only one who could even get half the number of votes as Trump.  They might hate the guy for being self-destructive and losing but let's not pretend American conservatives know what they want (generally speaking). This dude is more toxic than Dubya, Palin, and whoever else we can't forget.

The party has been in civil war since 2010. I don't see any way to stop this slow motion train crash.

Major, borderline extreme inter-party fighting is all I got. Thats why I said what I did.

Trump is feeding off a base of support that has yet to find a hero they haven't eventually buried or abandoned for one reason or another.

I wouldn't underestimate the fickleness of a group of people(uneducated white conservatives) that continue to rally around cults of personality and one in Trump who has built himself on a house of cards narrative about himself, if that house of cards were to collapse spectacularly.

I get what you're saying and I actually agree that he won't be celebrated as a conservative saint. What we've seen in the Republican primaries this year is that usually the winner of any polls was of the anti-establishment/Tea Party variety. The type of candidates that were being ridiculed by both sides as Ron Paul style crazy just 8 years ago.

I think a lot of mainstream conservatives switched to independent and probably the best thing the GOP can do is have there be open primaries so that only the more moderate, electable candidates get through. Ever since last Fall, we've known that it was going to be some crazy Republican versus a moderate Democrat (Hillary) so it's not exactly like Trump was a fluke who got lucky, he was just there at the right time in the GOPs demise. I can't predict the future but I am the next 2-4 years are fucked with more extreme obstructionism.

Given enough time, I think the GOP will change because at this point they don't even pretend like they're not selling a shit sandwich.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Nola on August 12, 2016, 02:49:21 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 12, 2016, 12:18:45 AM

but isn't anybody questioning seriously that Donald Trump might not just be an ill-informed asshole, but is also mentally/physically damaged to be unfit for office?

I mean, the guy is a 70 year old fat dude who never exercises and eats badly. That's not to mention his sometimes mangling of the English language isn't just troubling for the irresponsible comments he often makes, very often I really can't understand what the hell he's even saying at any given time.

Is this something the Dem's are waiting on to exploit? Because it seems kinda like a slam dunk to me. I don't know that its true, but there's clearly enough there to imply that something is up. (http://www.salon.com/2016/08/10/we-do-not-just-need-to-see-trumps-taxes-we-need-a-real-medical-report-on-him/)

Honestly, it's classic Rovian tactics the right has sorta leaned on for a while now. Almost reflexively at this point. Use your potential weakness as an attack on your opponents first to deflect/shield yourself from the same criticisms. Turn their strengths into weaknesses. A tactic which can also help your own supporters rationalize away a valid criticism and get them believing thats actually a problem of the "other" person, not their's.

They did it with Obama and his "Team of Rivals" uniting rhetoric and they did it with John Kerry and his war record. Now they are framing Hillary, the clearly more qualified, slightly younger, more mentally stable candidate as being in poor physical and mental health.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 12, 2016, 10:28:43 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 11, 2016, 04:39:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjlorYteUsA

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cplgy5XWIAAygZq.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Ul5ihobl.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CplRK9YXYAAdNRa.jpg)





"Trump and Hillary are the same, guys."

My favorite line from that quote is that Obama calls Islamic State "ISIL" because he likes to bother everybody.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Brehvolution on August 12, 2016, 11:52:53 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-obama-islamic-state-sarcasm-226947

C'mon guys... Didn't you get it was just sarcasm? Stop twisting tRumps lieswords

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2016, 11:58:20 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on August 12, 2016, 10:28:43 AM

My favorite line from that quote is that Obama calls Islamic State "ISIL" because he likes to bother everybody.

"It might be more accurate I guess, but who cares." (Paraphrased)

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2016, 11:59:52 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 12, 2016, 11:52:53 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-obama-islamic-state-sarcasm-226947

C'mon guys... Didn't you get it was just sarcasm? Stop twisting tRumps lieswords

It's just a prank, bro.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2016, 12:17:50 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2016, 11:59:52 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 12, 2016, 11:52:53 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-obama-islamic-state-sarcasm-226947

C'mon guys... Didn't you get it was just sarcasm? Stop twisting tRumps lieswords

It's just a prank, bro.

(http://i.imgur.com/DxxsKI0.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 12, 2016, 12:47:10 PM

(https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13880316_1412557922088515_1772580239384543597_n.jpg?oh=1a86811e370aa541e79d7165c80903b3&oe=585063EF)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 12, 2016, 12:59:48 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 12, 2016, 11:52:53 AM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/trump-obama-islamic-state-sarcasm-226947

C'mon guys... Didn't you get it was just sarcasm? Stop twisting tRumps lieswords

I don't think anyone understands Trump's humor.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2016, 01:23:08 PM

Mitt Romney won Utah by 48 points. Donald Trump is worried he'll lose it. (http://www.vox.com/2016/8/12/12425122/donald-trump-utah-polls)

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Utah is one of the most Republican states in the country, and usually one a GOP presidential candidate can take for granted. Mitt Romney won it by 48 points in 2012, and John McCain won it by 28 in 2008. And most observers expect Trump to come out on top there in the end.

Yet the race does look a good deal closer this time around. Trump leads Clinton by just 7.6 points in the HuffPost Pollster average.

Presidential candidates leading polls at this point in the campaign have almost always won (http://www.vox.com/2016/8/11/12426346/trump-polls-today)

Quote

So when, you might wonder, should we really start trusting the polls again?

The answer: right about now.

It's happening brehs. :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 12, 2016, 01:40:10 PM

I really feel like Trump's moved from trying to win this to trying to excuse his loss since the RNC.
That's not the attitude of a winner!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2016, 02:58:09 PM

Donald Trump Says He's Cool With Trying U.S. Citizens in Military Tribunals (http://gawker.com/donald-trump-says-hes-cool-with-trying-u-s-citizens-in-1785187558)

 :ryker

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2016, 03:01:58 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 12, 2016, 02:58:09 PM

Donald Trump Says He's Cool With Trying U.S. Citizens in Military Tribunals (http://gawker.com/donald-trump-says-hes-cool-with-trying-u-s-citizens-in-1785187558)

 :ryker

Must be getting policy advice from Obama, amirite fellow liberals? #BernieOrBust

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 12, 2016, 03:04:37 PM

It's better than being summarily executed by a hellfire missile like Obama favors.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: D3RANG3D on August 12, 2016, 03:52:03 PM

https://teechip.com/clayton2016#id=0&c=0E1F3F&sid=fruit-of-the-loom-cotton-t&s=front

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 12, 2016, 08:43:21 PM

The Democrats got hacked...again: http://thesmokinggun.com/buster/democratic-national-committee/guccifer-dccc-hack-645891

Hacker Publishes List Of Cell Phone Numbers, Private E-Mails For Most House Democrats

https://guccifer2.wordpress.com/2016/08/12/guccifer-2-0-hacked-dccc/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 12, 2016, 11:17:55 PM

Quote

Donald Trump again raised the specter of election fraud Friday, saying that the only way he would lose Pennsylvania is to Hillary Clinton is if "they cheat."

The Republican nominee, speaking at a rally in Altoona, Pennsylvania, repeated his concerns about the fairness of the election.

“The only way we can lose, in my opinion — I really mean this, Pennsylvania is if cheating goes on and we have to call up law enforcement and we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everyone watching because if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in Pennsylvania, which is such a vital state especially when I know what is happening here,” he said. “She can’t beat what’s happening here. The only way they can beat it in my opinion, and I mean this 100 percent, if in certain sections of the state they cheat.”

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/donald-trump-pennsylvania-hillary-clinton-226978

"Certain sections" huh :hitler

and it gets worse
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/lp/volunteer-to-be-a-trump-election-observer

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 13, 2016, 01:30:20 AM

Trump is too stupid to realize how dangerous he is. People are going to get shot if he keeps this paranoia up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 14, 2016, 12:08:20 AM

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/anthony-weiner-catfish-twitter.html

Anthony Weiner got caught sexting again.

To think, this dumbass almost became the mayor of New York City.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 14, 2016, 12:34:57 AM

Sexters gonna sext

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: brawndolicious on August 14, 2016, 01:40:50 AM

I think every guy in a position of political power has a fantasy of preaching with his dick to some young, nubile girl from the wrong side of the aisle.  :yeshrug

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Only Huma's losing dignity at this point.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2016, 09:08:05 AM

Lol @ him trying the Trump-esque "I was joking, it wasn't even serious" lol.

Huma is so busy with her job that she probably doesn't do shit with him anyway. Dude is trash. If you want to fuck around why not just get some escorts so you have a semblance of discretion.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 14, 2016, 09:19:47 AM

I'm pretty certain the marriage is 99.9% political anyway.  Anytime you see pictures of them together, their body language comes off like they couldn't give less of a fuck about each other if they tried.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 14, 2016, 09:57:23 AM

Post-scandal or before too? I'm in no position to make definitive statements on other people's relationships so I assume they were fine before the scandal. Since then yea, I can imagine they have problems due to Weiner being a pos.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: tiesto on August 15, 2016, 09:04:57 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on August 14, 2016, 12:08:20 AM

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/08/anthony-weiner-catfish-twitter.html

Anthony Weiner got caught sexting again.

To think, this dumbass almost became the mayor of New York City.

To be fair, he'd probably still make a better mayor than DiBlasio.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2016, 11:08:49 AM

Quote from: Dufus on August 15, 2016, 11:01:12 AM

Scumbag politicians tend to be more effective than good natured politicians. :doge

That's why I'm voting Hillary. :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: thisismyusername on August 15, 2016, 11:48:24 AM

GOP: SOMEONE GET AM_I_ANONYMOUS ON THE LINE, RIGHT THIS INSTANT!!!!!! (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/us/politics/donald-trump-black-voters.html?_r=0)1!1!11!1!!1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Oblivion on August 15, 2016, 12:46:45 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cp6B-Y-UAAATYjZ.jpg:large)

 :aweshum

(that's the NYT, btw)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2016, 12:49:36 PM

Also from the NYT:

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Secret Ledger in Ukraine Lists Cash for Donald Trump’s Campaign Chief

Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau.

....The papers, known in Ukraine as the “black ledger,” are a chicken-scratch of Cyrillic covering about 400 pages taken from books once kept in a third-floor room in the former Party of Regions headquarters on Lipskaya Street in Kiev. The room held two safes stuffed with $100 bills.

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2016, 12:54:28 PM

Also:

http://gawker.com/ivanka-trump-hanging-out-in-croatia-with-vladimir-putin-1785290129

Uhhh the "Trump is a Russian stooge" conspiracy theory might not be a theory, brehs. (http://i.imgur.com/maQYk.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2016, 01:18:02 PM

Why would Putin want disgusting murdoch sloppy seconds?  :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2016, 01:26:02 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-leads-trump-breitbart-poll

(http://i.imgur.com/uQeGEFq.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2016, 01:37:55 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 15, 2016, 01:26:02 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/clinton-leads-trump-breitbart-poll

(http://i.imgur.com/uQeGEFq.jpg)

Quote

Aiming to address a recent slew of “mainstream media” polls showing Hillary Clinton holding a decisive lead over of Donald Trump, Breitbart News conducted its own survey. But the conservative news site came up with similar results.

:dead :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2016, 01:52:31 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wsj-editorial-trump-labor-day

Murdoch :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2016, 03:03:19 PM

https://twitter.com/MashableNews/status/765256983603650561/video/1

He forgot.  :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 15, 2016, 03:27:08 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-lose_us_57b2033de4b007c36e4f91f2

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“It’s either that [he’s trying to lose] or it’s complete and utter incompetence in every facet of his campaign,” said Brian Walsh, another veteran Republican hand and Trump critic. “[W]hen you look at how he’s conducting every aspect of the campaign it seems entirely fair to ask if he’s purposefully trying to lose because the only alternative answer is complete arrogance and incompetence. And I’m not ruling out complete arrogance and incompetence.”

Be such a bad candidate that people wonder if you're throwing the race brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Brehvolution on August 15, 2016, 03:58:32 PM

Looks like this is just the tip of the iceberg of the manafort shit show.
 :lucas

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2016, 04:03:04 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 15, 2016, 03:58:32 PM

Looks like this is just the tip of the iceberg of the manafort shit show.
 :lucas

https://www.buzzfeed.com/hayesbrown/manafort-what?utm_term=.scMeMM215#.qlROyyjmr

 :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2016, 04:53:09 PM

NYT: The State of the Clinton-Trump Race: Is It Over? (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/upshot/the-state-of-the-clinton-trump-race-is-it-over.html)

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Mrs. Clinton has a better shot at winning the red state of South Carolina than Mr. Trump has at winning the presidency.

:preach

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2016, 04:56:25 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2016, 03:03:19 PM

https://twitter.com/MashableNews/status/765256983603650561/video/1

He forgot.  :usacry

He said the exact same thing 6.5 years ago. :lol

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/08/rudy-giuliani/giuliani-says-there-were-no-domestic-attacks-durin/

Oddly, that statement was just as untrue then as now!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2016, 05:50:03 PM

Quote from: Dufus on August 15, 2016, 05:34:23 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 15, 2016, 04:53:09 PM

NYT: The State of the Clinton-Trump Race: Is It Over? (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/16/upshot/the-state-of-the-clinton-trump-race-is-it-over.html)

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Mrs. Clinton has a better shot at winning the red state of South Carolina than Mr. Trump has at winning the presidency.

:preach

shame on you for not changing the font

verdana doesn't scale at larger sizes breh :gurl

You're not wrong.  :dunno

(http://i.imgur.com/H4bl5qn.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/AkXJyD5.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/YwP3Xzh.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/RZj4QHt.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: helios on August 16, 2016, 11:57:48 AM

Trumps leading Hillary by only 6 points in Texas. I guess my vote counts now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 16, 2016, 12:23:08 PM

Watch him loss by a landslide not seen since 1980 and still not coincide on election night. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2016, 12:30:19 PM

Trump is under performing Romney/McCain/etc just about everywhere in red states and swing states, wow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2016, 12:49:16 PM

Roger Ailes, the former Fox News chairman ousted last month over charges of sexual harassment, is advising Donald J. Trump as he begins to prepare for the all-important presidential debates this fall. (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/17/us/politics/donald-trump-roger-ailes.html?_r=2&mtrref=t.co)

(https://media.giphy.com/media/UrZWGs5OO3U0o/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2016, 02:39:51 PM

Hillary up by 9 in Florida. (http://www.politico.com/blogs/swing-states-2016-election/2016/08/poll-clinton-leads-trump-by-9-in-florida-227057)

Welp.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2016, 03:00:52 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/voting-for-trump-through-gritted-teeth-227031

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“I don’t like the fact that I’m going to do this,” said Lynch, the Arizona elector, of committing her electoral vote to Trump. Lynch, who has attended eight national Republican conventions and supported Ronald Reagan over Gerald Ford in 1976, noted that there’s an increasing likelihood that Trump will lose her state to Hillary Clinton, which means a separate set of Democratic electors would be tapped instead.

“Bill Clinton did win Arizona in 1996,” she noted. “So it’s not too far-fetched that Mrs. Clinton might win Arizona.”

Be such a shitlord candidate that electors in your own party are hoping you'll lose their state so they don't have to vote for you, brehs.




Alternatively:

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Only one GOP elector, Texas’s Art Sisneros, said he’d considered bucking Trump and becoming what’s known as a “faithless” elector.

“I got talked into it by a guy who was trying to find enough faithless electors … just for the sake of causing chaos,” he said. “That was the plan.”

Be such a shitlord candidate that your electors are actively turning against you, brehs. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2016, 03:02:30 PM

Brehs could you imagine Trump narrowly winning Texas only for its GOP electors to turn around and give it to Hillary anyways? :lawd Busting a nut at the thought.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 16, 2016, 03:04:37 PM

The Trump campaign is doubling-down on this this "stolen election" line. Unskewing the polls taken to it's logical end.

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/291534-can-the-2016-election-be-rigged-you-bet

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 16, 2016, 03:08:04 PM

Come get your man, Esch.
https://twitter.com/DineshDSouza/status/765523603869798400

 :crazy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: brawndolicious on August 16, 2016, 03:14:15 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-than-120-republicans-tell-rnc-to-cut-off-funds-to-donald-trump/

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"We believe that Donald Trump's divisiveness, recklessness, incompetence, and record-breaking unpopularity risk turning this election into a Democratic landslide, and only the immediate shift of all available RNC resources to vulnerable Senate and House races will prevent the GOP from drowning with a Trump-emblazoned anchor around its neck," the letter says.

It's been said before but just not so eloquently.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Brehvolution on August 16, 2016, 03:25:42 PM

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/d2eb71bd6efe8aafd562389d775259c1/tumblr_oa8ywoZvyX1s9c6nao1_500.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 16, 2016, 03:31:17 PM

I'm an equal opportunity triggerer

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Steve Contra on August 16, 2016, 03:35:20 PM

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765563431416193024 (https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765563431416193024)

Texas Republicans might be the most confused people in America.  Super Patriots who also hate America and want to leave it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2016, 03:43:05 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on August 16, 2016, 03:35:20 PM

https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765563431416193024 (https://twitter.com/ppppolls/status/765563431416193024)

Texas Republicans might be the most confused people in America.  Super Patriots who also hate America and want to leave it.

Yeah, I don't think they know what "patriot" means.

Nor what "freedom" means, for that matter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 16, 2016, 06:03:38 PM

No no, you don't understand! Damn librul media misquoting me!

Quote

The liberal media took what I said and went against the law and the Constitution and ran with it, and they said that I wanted her assassinated, which I never did," Baldasaro told The Republican/MassLive.com. "I said I spoke as a veteran, and she should be shot in a firing squad for treason."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/al-baldasaro-clinton-should-be-executed-not-assassinated?utm_content=buffer47b8d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 16, 2016, 07:19:09 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 16, 2016, 06:03:38 PM

No no, you don't understand! Damn librul media misquoting me!

Quote

The liberal media took what I said and went against the law and the Constitution and ran with it, and they said that I wanted her assassinated, which I never did," Baldasaro told The Republican/MassLive.com. "I said I spoke as a veteran, and she should be shot in a firing squad for treason."

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/al-baldasaro-clinton-should-be-executed-not-assassinated?utm_content=buffer47b8d&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Chris Christie already found her guilty, so I don't see a problem.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 16, 2016, 11:23:43 PM

http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/snowden-speculates-leak-of-nsa-spying-tools-is-tied-to-russian-dnc-hack/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: VomKriege on August 17, 2016, 05:35:00 AM

Trump playing banto with his campaign managers again. Felt "boxed in" by Manafort.

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“Buckle up,” wrote a Trump strategist in a text message Wednesday to The Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/17/trump-reshuffles-staff-in-his-own-image/?postshare=6431471417685476&tid=ss_tw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 05:54:35 AM

Breitbart chairman?
:neogaf

That dude hates Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell lol. Wow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 17, 2016, 09:21:45 AM

what the hell? What does breitbart know about running a campaign? He's focusing on messaging not logistics.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2016, 10:50:32 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 17, 2016, 09:21:45 AM

what the hell? What does breitbart know about running a campaign? He's focusing on messaging not logistics.

Apparently Manafort is still going to be handling that part, but who knows. Trump still hasn't bought a single ad or opened a campaign office in any battleground state, so it's debatable whether he actually has a campaign beyond himself.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 11:27:17 AM

This is looking more and more like a giant scam. Trump apparently now has a few offices (like, 20) throughout the country just so he can claim he has a ground game, but it's still severely inadequate. He bought a couple ads recently, just to say he has ads on the airwaves. This entire operation seems like a front to further his brand and funnel money into his businesses. The last FEC report showed that his campaign spends more almost exclusively on Trump hotels, products and services. Not to mention payments to random properties for "consulting."

The end game seems to be amassing a large email list and selling it to "buy gold now" companies, among other things. Breitbart's chairman getting involved fits that narrative: I'd imagine they'll be able to access some of that list for advertisers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 17, 2016, 11:42:45 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 17, 2016, 05:35:00 AM

Trump playing banto with his campaign managers again. Felt "boxed in" by Manafort.

Quote

“Buckle up,” wrote a Trump strategist in a text message Wednesday to The Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/17/trump-reshuffles-staff-in-his-own-image/?postshare=6431471417685476&tid=ss_tw

 :woody :success :heyman

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 17, 2016, 11:43:53 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 11:27:17 AM

This is looking more and more like a giant scam. Trump apparently now has a few offices (like, 20) throughout the country just so he can claim he has a ground game, but it's still severely inadequate. He bought a couple ads recently, just to say he has ads on the airwaves. This entire operation seems like a front to further his brand and funnel money into his businesses. The last FEC report showed that his campaign spends more almost exclusively on Trump hotels, products and services. Not to mention payments to random properties for "consulting."

The end game seems to be amassing a large email list and selling it to "buy gold now" companies, among other things. Breitbart's chairman getting involved fits that narrative: I'd imagine they'll be able to access some of that list for advertisers.

Michael Moore just published an article alleging Trump's entire campaign was a scam to wring more money out of NBC, and it backfired, then un-backfired, and is re-backfiring again. (https://medium.com/@MMFlint/is-trump-purposely-sabotaging-his-campaign-91b11fe07a91?source=email-e2e226838093-1471435006585-digest.reader------2-3&sectionName=recommended) :heyman

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Tasty on August 17, 2016, 11:45:51 AM

Quote from: Dufus on August 17, 2016, 07:43:18 AM

These shake-ups aren't gonna do shit. The campaign managers are not the problem. Trump is the problem. The shake-ups are a symptom of that problem.

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 17, 2016, 09:21:45 AM

what the hell? What does breitbart know about running a campaign? He's focusing on messaging not logistics.

Manafort was trying to get Trump to temper his demeanor for the general election, the two new guys are "two longtime associates who have encouraged his combative populism (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/08/17/donald-trump-shakes-campaign-leadership-amid-struggles/YvE76Rvcvu6w9BvLWdTkKL/story.html)."

Basically, Trump is gonna Trump even harder going forward, there's no "pivot" so expect more incidents like the Khan thing and "second amendment people." :heyman

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 17, 2016, 12:19:07 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/16/us/tulsa-arab-american-shooting-trnd/index.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2016, 01:24:37 PM

Sean Hannity's gotta be so pissed off right now that Trump hasn't hired him onto the campaign yet.

Edit: But seriously, though, Trump's campaign continues to surprise me [even though it really shouldn't at this point] with how it continues to top its own records for absolute insanity in a major election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: T-Short on August 17, 2016, 01:49:21 PM

good to see the dank meme economy thriving in this time of political turmoil

http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00618843/1094350/se (http://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00618843/1094350/se)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Steve Contra on August 17, 2016, 02:04:16 PM

http://bigstory.ap.org/c01989a47ee5421593ba1b301ec07813 (http://bigstory.ap.org/c01989a47ee5421593ba1b301ec07813)

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Donald Trump's campaign chairman helped a pro-Russian governing party in Ukraine secretly route at least $2.2 million in payments to two prominent Washington lobbying firms in 2012, and did so in a way that effectively obscured the foreign political party's efforts to influence U.S. policy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 17, 2016, 02:08:24 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 11:27:17 AM

This is looking more and more like a giant scam. Trump apparently now has a few offices (like, 20) throughout the country just so he can claim he has a ground game, but it's still severely inadequate. He bought a couple ads recently, just to say he has ads on the airwaves. This entire operation seems like a front to further his brand and funnel money into his businesses. The last FEC report showed that his campaign spends more almost exclusively on Trump hotels, products and services. Not to mention payments to random properties for "consulting."

The end game seems to be amassing a large email list and selling it to "buy gold now" companies, among other things. Breitbart's chairman getting involved fits that narrative: I'd imagine they'll be able to access some of that list for advertisers.

Yeah, I buy this. It does seem like if you wanted to win you'd at least try. It doesn't really seem like he's trying.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2016, 02:50:44 PM

Trump's internal polling shows him winning Florida, Pennsylvania, New York and California, according to Alex Jones. Game over, Lieberals.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/alex-jones-trump-verge-winning-california-and-new-york-according-his-unskewed-polls

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Steve Contra on August 17, 2016, 02:54:26 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2016, 02:50:44 PM

Game over, Lieberals.

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(http://franklycurious.com/media/1/20140402-deanchambers.jpg)

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Some please make that en emoticon because we'll be using it lots in the coming months

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2016, 03:08:51 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/mapping-the-trump-hate-bubble

Recently, Fortune commissioned a social media analytics company to analyze Donald Trump's retweets on his infamous Twitter account. They identified 2,000 "influencers" in the "#WhiteGenocide" community (yes, I'm sorry to say there's a "#WhiteGenocide" community), and they looked at that influence matrix against Trump's Twitter history. "Since the start of his campaign," they found, "Donald Trump has retweeted at least 75 users who follow at least three of the top 50 #WhiteGenocide influencers. Moreover, a majority of these retweeted accounts are themselves followed by more than 100 #WhiteGenocide influencers."

Take the first winnable presidential election post-Bush and turn it over to someone who actively pushes away virtually every minority group while pandering to the most hardcore of the hardcore white supremacists, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: tiesto on August 17, 2016, 03:53:27 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2016, 02:50:44 PM

Trump's internal polling shows him winning Florida, Pennsylvania, New York and California, according to Alex Jones. Game over, Lieberals.

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/alex-jones-trump-verge-winning-california-and-new-york-according-his-unskewed-polls

Was beginning to wonder why my friend was so adamant that Trump wasn't behind in the polls when I told him I was voting H.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: VomKriege on August 17, 2016, 04:35:26 PM

Trump actually winning in polls conducted by David Icke and the Aurora shooter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2016, 04:50:15 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on August 17, 2016, 04:39:50 PM

Why #WhiteGenocide for a hashtag? Sounds like they want to eradicate white people.

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One can only dream :lawd

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They think that white culture is being genocided by multiculturalism.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: brawndolicious on August 17, 2016, 05:24:27 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2016, 03:08:51 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/mapping-the-trump-hate-bubble

Recently, Fortune commissioned a social media analytics company to analyze Donald Trump's retweets on his infamous Twitter account. They identified 2,000 "influencers" in the "#WhiteGenocide" community (yes, I'm sorry to say there's a "#WhiteGenocide" community), and they looked at that influence matrix against Trump's Twitter history. "Since the start of his campaign," they found, "Donald Trump has retweeted at least 75 users who follow at least three of the top 50 #WhiteGenocide influencers. Moreover, a majority of these retweeted accounts are themselves followed by more than 100 #WhiteGenocide influencers."

Take the first winnable presidential election post-Bush and turn it over to someone who actively pushes away virtually every minority group while pandering to the most hardcore of the hardcore white supremacists, brehs.

The smart thing to do is for everyone to deflate Trump as an accident rather than a mistake (they didn't use superdelegate condoms yadda yadda). Especially in the next few weeks because you do not want this guy to go up to Hillary in a one-on-one debate as the spearhead of the party. The man has no plans, skills, or self-control and he's representing about 20-25 red states so it's just almost cruel.

Fact of the matter is, Clinton has to work with some Republicans in Congress once she's actually sworn in and demonizing the whole party isn't going to help pass legislation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 06:35:45 PM

https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/766021223415439361

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 17, 2016, 08:26:10 PM

"All of them"
".....OK."
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 17, 2016, 09:59:31 PM

At this point, what is the over/under that there will even be a debate? No tRump ground game and barely any ads looks like capitulation money wise. He will get his faux newz airtime and some cnn bites but it's a really low energy approach to the highest office in the land.

I'm going to say that the more pro russia shit comes out the less likelihood of a debate. He'll weasel out of it somehow citing moderation or some BS.

Any breitdouche addition is a subtraction IRL.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 17, 2016, 10:22:33 PM

A debate sounds like an amazingly bad idea for trump. Hillary would eat him alive and if Johnson is there he'll just sit there lobbing "you're a pussy" at Trump which we all know he wont take well. My money is on Trump finding a way out of it and blaming the media for it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 17, 2016, 10:31:03 PM

It was a bad idea for Trump to debate one-on-one against Hillary even when things were going good for him, I don't see how he'll get anything positive out of it with things going this spectacularly bad. Of course, dodging the debate isn't going to help much either, though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 17, 2016, 10:31:46 PM

Oh man I really hope we get just ONE debate out of this. It's my most-looked forward event of September and that's a month with my birthday. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 10:42:14 PM

I'd bet there will be at least one debate. I can see Trump's team believing that if he can bully and dominate her in a debate, make her look weak, etc he can come out the victor. Embolden the base, impress/entertain the rest of the electorate. And after that he won't accept another debate, since such a move is unlikely to work again. It's a hail mary but it's probably the only one he has.

In reality I'd expect him to instead look like a fool in the debate, the media will continue turning on him, and the official message will be "the debate was rigged, the media is in the tank for Hillary, etc." After that he'll decide not to do anymore debates.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 17, 2016, 10:44:29 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 10:42:14 PM

I'd bet there will be at least one debate. I can see Trump's team believing that if he can bully and dominate her in a debate, make her look weak, etc he can come out the victor. Embolden the base, impress/entertain the rest of the electorate. And after that he won't accept another debate, since such a move is unlikely to work again. It's a hail mary but it's probably the only one he has.

In reality I'd expect him to instead look like a fool in the debate, the media will continue turning on him, and the official message will be "the debate was rigged, the media is in the tank for Hillary, etc." After while he'll decide not to do anymore debates.

This seems like the most likely course of events.

Of course this entire election has been anything but, so who knows what will actually happen. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: brawndolicious on August 17, 2016, 11:01:11 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 17, 2016, 09:59:31 PM

At this point, what is the over/under that there will even be a debate? No tRump ground game and barely any ads looks like capitulation money wise. He will get his faux newz airtime and some cnn bites but it's a really low energy approach to the highest office in the land.

I'm going to say that the more pro russia shit comes out the less likelihood of a debate. He'll weasel out of it somehow citing moderation or some BS.

Any breitdouche addition is a subtraction IRL.

He's probably only still in this because his advisers are willing to be hands-off in the hopes that he just finishes the race. I think their goal is to have their careers not be completely tarnished while Trump just wants people to worship him. So like 70/30 with higher odds on him finishing so he's not a total black mark in American history.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 17, 2016, 11:14:35 PM

my god this election is just hilarious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: VomKriege on August 18, 2016, 01:07:31 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/oYbWiQX.gif)

Animals. They know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 18, 2016, 01:14:22 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 10:42:14 PM

I'd bet there will be at least one debate. I can see Trump's team believing that if he can bully and dominate her in a debate, make her look weak, etc he can come out the victor. Embolden the base, impress/entertain the rest of the electorate. And after that he won't accept another debate, since such a move is unlikely to work again. It's a hail mary but it's probably the only one he has.

In reality I'd expect him to instead look like a fool in the debate, the media will continue turning on him, and the official message will be "the debate was rigged, the media is in the tank for Hillary, etc." After that he'll decide not to do anymore debates.

The more I think about it, the less I think there'll even be one debate. My money is on him saying he wont debate because the librul media hates him and it wont be fair.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 02:13:58 AM

http://www.dailywire.com/news/8441/i-know-trumps-new-campaign-chairman-steve-bannon-ben-shapiro

Quote from: Ben Shapiro

Not to say "I told you so," but I did tell you so.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/matt-taibbi-on-the-summer-of-the-media-shill-w434484

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Worse still, when you shill as constantly as his outlets have, even your most enthusiastic audience members very quickly learn to see through you.

This is a problem because if there ever comes a time when you want to convince your own audience of hard truths, you'll suddenly find them not nearly as trusting and loyal as you’d thought. Deep down, they'll have known all along you were full of it.

This happened to many Republican/conservative media figures in the past year.

The world may never have heard a yawn louder than the one evinced by flyover audiences in January, when the National Review gathered 20 prominent conservatives, headlined by Glenn Beck, to demand that Republican voters draw a line in the sand against Trump. It was an unprecedented show of media unity and determination.

Trump casually walked over the red-pundit-Maginot-line and raced straight to the nomination from there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 02:15:54 AM

MUST SEE: Photos of Hillary Clinton Propped Up on Pillows (http://heatst.com/politics/must-see-photos-of-hillary-clinton-propped-up-on-pillows/)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 08:12:29 AM

says who?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Another victim of the Clinton murder machine
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 08:26:02 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 06:35:45 PM

https://twitter.com/elliosch/status/766021223415439361

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 17, 2016, 08:26:10 PM

"All of them"
".....OK."
:dead

wow does she have egg on her face

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In a conversation with Yahoo News shortly after the conversation aired, Michael Cohen, an executive vice president and attorney at the Trump Organization, said he believed he “controlled the interview” with Brianna Keilar.

“I think I unraveled her,” Cohen boasted.

Quote

Cohen told Yahoo News he was stunned by Keilar’s conduct during the interview.

“I was shocked at the length of the silence as she stumbled to think of an answer,” Cohen said. “And when she did come up with an answer, it was so generic it could have applied to anything.”

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Cohen also pointed to the crowds at Trump’s rallies as a sign polls may be off.

“I think Mr. Trump and Secretary Clinton are substantially closer than the polls indicate,” Cohen explained. “The proof is the massive 20-, 25- and 30,000-person rallies that he is attending on a multiple-time-per-week basis. In all honesty, Hilary Clinton can’t fill a Starbucks even if they offered free ventis.”

the lieberal media's dominoes are falling like a house of cards

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 18, 2016, 10:32:36 AM

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“I think Mr. Trump and Secretary Clinton are substantially closer than the polls indicate,” Cohen explained. “The proof is the massive 20-, 25- and 30,000-person rallies that he is attending on a multiple-time-per-week basis. In all honesty, Hilary Clinton can’t fill a Starbucks even if they offered free ventis.”

:what

She draws huge rallies though?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2016, 10:33:07 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 18, 2016, 10:32:36 AM

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“I think Mr. Trump and Secretary Clinton are substantially closer than the polls indicate,” Cohen explained. “The proof is the massive 20-, 25- and 30,000-person rallies that he is attending on a multiple-time-per-week basis. In all honesty, Hilary Clinton can’t fill a Starbucks even if they offered free ventis.”

:what

She draws huge rallies though?

says who?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 18, 2016, 10:33:52 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2016, 10:33:07 AM

says who?

https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/766079787643305984

Also, any way we can get a plugin (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=320191) installed to embed tweets?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 18, 2016, 10:42:51 AM

You know, I find it ironic that most Trump supporters are the ones going around being like "children are spoiled nowadays! And they bully, and lack discipline and respect!" And then support a guy who's entire presidential campaign acts like in a way that if their kids acted they'd smack that kid up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Rufus on August 18, 2016, 10:55:06 AM

He 'speaks his mind', i.e. he's openly racist. That's all there is to it. That's his "magic".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2016, 11:09:24 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 18, 2016, 01:14:22 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 17, 2016, 10:42:14 PM

I'd bet there will be at least one debate. I can see Trump's team believing that if he can bully and dominate her in a debate, make her look weak, etc he can come out the victor. Embolden the base, impress/entertain the rest of the electorate. And after that he won't accept another debate, since such a move is unlikely to work again. It's a hail mary but it's probably the only one he has.

In reality I'd expect him to instead look like a fool in the debate, the media will continue turning on him, and the official message will be "the debate was rigged, the media is in the tank for Hillary, etc." After that he'll decide not to do anymore debates.

The more I think about it, the less I think there'll even be one debate. My money is on him saying he wont debate because the librul media hates him and it wont be fair.

On one hand I can see that, but on the other hand would Trump turn down the chance to be on live television in front of 60mil+ people, at least once? Plus given his obsession with winners/losers dominating/dominated I don't see him refusing to debate Hillary since it'll make him look weak. I agree he'll skip a debate, likely two. But the first will happen imo.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 01:36:37 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2016, 10:33:07 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 18, 2016, 10:32:36 AM

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“I think Mr. Trump and Secretary Clinton are substantially closer than the polls indicate,” Cohen explained. “The proof is the massive 20-, 25- and 30,000-person rallies that he is attending on a multiple-time-per-week basis. In all honesty, Hilary Clinton can’t fill a Starbucks even if they offered free ventis.”

:what

She draws huge rallies though?

says who?

i notice andy hasn't come up with an answer for this, i think you unraveled xhem joe

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 18, 2016, 01:54:32 PM

All of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2016, 01:56:40 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on August 18, 2016, 01:54:32 PM

All of them.

https://twitter.com/LPDonovan/status/766236561398702080

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| The Most Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2016, 02:04:44 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jan-brewer-clinton-lying-killer-mispronunciation

Former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) said on Wednesday that her comment calling Hillary Clinton a "lying killer" was just a "mispronunciation" of the Democratic nominee's name.

“I was trying to say Hillary Clinton,” Brewer told Buzzfeed News. “It was a stumble of the tongue.”

“Good grief,” she added.

On Tuesday, Brewer called Clinton a "lying killer" during a radio interview on Phoenix radio station KTAR.

"People want a fighter. They’re tired of the lying killer, uh Hillary Clinton and Bill Clintons of the world," she said while arguing that Democrats cannot win Arizona, according to a clip highlighted by Mediaite.

:rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 18, 2016, 02:18:29 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 18, 2016, 02:04:44 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jan-brewer-clinton-lying-killer-mispronunciation

Former Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) said on Wednesday that her comment calling Hillary Clinton a "lying killer" was just a "mispronunciation" of the Democratic nominee's name.

“I was trying to say Hillary Clinton,” Brewer told Buzzfeed News. “It was a stumble of the tongue.”

“Good grief,” she added.

On Tuesday, Brewer called Clinton a "lying killer" during a radio interview on Phoenix radio station KTAR.

"People want a fighter. They’re tired of the lying killer, uh Hillary Clinton and Bill Clintons of the world," she said while arguing that Democrats cannot win Arizona, according to a clip highlighted by Mediaite.

:rofl

so she was trying to say 'the lying Clinton'?  Does she think Bill is an honest man? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 18, 2016, 02:21:36 PM

Trump Said He’d Throw Orlando Shooter’s Dad, A US Citizen, Out Of Country (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-hannity-town-hall-expel-us-citizens)

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“I'd throw him out,” Trump said of Mateen, who is a naturalized U.S. citizen. “If you look at him, I'd throw him out.”

Trump did not clarify where those identified as “extreme” would be sent, but said “racial profiling” was necessary to root out people who might pose a threat to national security.

Christ.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 18, 2016, 02:54:23 PM

Come on baby, feel the Jillmentum

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/green-partys-jill-stein-tied-with-dead-gorilla-harambe-and-losing-to-deez-nuts-in-texas-poll/

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The New York Daily News reported Wednesday that a Public Policy Polling survey of Texas voters showed Stein and Harambe winning less than two percent of registered voters, while “Deez Nuts” — a creation of Iowa teen Brady Olson — garnered 3 percent of voters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 03:25:52 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwitrmVqNBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec_dnq31-E8

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 03:30:56 PM

These two questions back to back were funny seeing "serious candidate version" Stein try to fight through: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJhUNxKQhl8#t=29m19s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJhUNxKQhl8#t=29m19s)

Her VP is way cooler but from what I understand also one of Shao Khan's Outworld minions and I'm not sure I can support his policy on slaughtering all the souls on Earth or not based on the results of a fighting tournament with unclear rules and guidelines.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Mandark on August 18, 2016, 03:36:00 PM

Her VP apparently doubled down on calling Obama an Uncle Tom, so I guess their target demographic isn't all Bernie voters, but just the worst stereotypes of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 03:54:39 PM

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The powerful donor network helmed by billionaire brothers Charles and David Koch is canceling more than half a million dollars in Florida advertising designed to help Republican Marco Rubio in his Senate race, according to Koch network spokesman James Davis.

guess they think he's safe

RCP updated their Senate map to be 50-50 with Bayh now winning Indiana. So it'd be a VP tiebreaker for control. (Though Hassan's lead in NH isn't too strong (one point) but neither is Heck's in NV. McGinty's lead has slipped a little in PA but isn't back down to where it was a few months back.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2016, 03:57:03 PM

I'm troubled by the characterization of  Brady Olson as the "creator" of Deez Nuts. smh journalism

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: brob on August 18, 2016, 06:11:57 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqLJpbpUIAAbaFm.jpg)

the discourse  :delicious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2016, 06:39:43 PM

You know there's a problem when Ben Shapiro is the voice of reason*.

also lol @ Shapiro arguing Andrew Breitbart loathed racism. Breitbart was one of the biggest proponents of the idea that racism is dead but, like Candy Man, can be resurrected if you dare utter a phrase like "racial inequality" into the mirror three times. He all all aboard the reverse racism movement, the Obama=racist shit, etc etc.

I suppose I'll personally give Shapiro some dap for not being a racist pos like say...Milo, but at least Milo is entertaining.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Rufus on August 18, 2016, 07:34:56 PM

Speaking of Milo:
https://np.reddit.com/r/EnoughTrumpSpam/comments/4y8rb2/the_donald_monderator_breitbart_editor_and_trump/

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The former director of the Privilege Grant (see link below) alludes to the fact that Milo wired the money to his personal account at Silicon Valley Bank. Caligula Limited was active until May 2016 for "grant donations", then, before having the chance to award grant money in the summer, this company was dissolved and the money seems to have dissolved with it (note again the the grant was set up in Feb 2016). In fact, the former director of the Grant has a copy of his wiring instructions - implying that there was a transfer to Milo's personal banking accounts.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 18, 2016, 07:59:13 PM

https://theweek.com/articles/642568/biggest-crime-waves-america-isnt-what-think

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 18, 2016, 08:20:44 PM

 Corporate theft :preach

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Rufus on August 18, 2016, 08:38:39 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 18, 2016, 07:59:13 PM

https://theweek.com/articles/642568/biggest-crime-waves-america-isnt-what-think

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The Department of Labor only has 1,000 to 1,100 staff members looking into violations of wage and hour laws for the entire country. The Obama administration has requested an increase in funding for enforcement at least three times, but Congress has denied them.

Of course.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 10:45:43 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/breitbart-editor-planned-secret-anti-trump-campaign-to-take-down-reporter-215500960.html

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After former Breitbart News reporter Michelle Fields turned against the right-wing news site in May, the site’s Washington Political Editor Matt Boyle had an idea.

Breitbart has been a major booster of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump and the media company’s chairman, Steve Bannon, became the chief executive of Trump’s campaign on Wednesday. Since Bannon joined Trump’s team, it has been rumored Boyle might follow him to the campaign.

However, Boyle was apparently willing to work with progressive activists to insult Trump if it might cost Fields her new job at the left-leaning Huffington Post, which hired her to cover Trump.

Yahoo News has obtained a copy of an email Boyle sent to a progressive activist on May 26, four days after Fields announced her new position with the Huffington Post. It was apparently meant to be an open letter from progressives to the Huffington Post complaining that Fields wouldn’t be aggressive enough against Trump.

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Boyle’s message contained an open letter attacking Fields that he hoped the activist would encourage other progressives and union groups to sign. According to the source who provided the letter to Yahoo News, Boyle claimed he personally wrote the letter. Boyle’s letter described Trump and his policies as “dangerous” and implied that, as a conservative who “considered supporting and voting for Donald Trump,” Fields was not up to the task of covering his campaign and should be removed from her job by the Huffington Post.

Boyle clearly hoped the letter would not be linked to him. The subject line on his email to the progressive activist was written in all capital letters, “OFF RECORD — YOU DID NOT GET FROM ME.” Boyle’s message, which was sent from his personal Google email account, contained nothing other than the letter, which was titled, “An Open Letter To The Huffington Post From The Progressive Community.” Before criticizing Fields, Boyle’s letter cast Trump as a serious threat to the country.

“Donald Trump is a force to be reckoned with. He breezed through the Republican Primary to become that party’s presumptive presidential nominee by name-calling and insult-hurling, while putting forth a policy agenda we consider to be dangerous. His immigration plan would see millions of undocumented workers deported, families torn apart, and he literally campaigned on a plan to ban an entire religion from coming to the United States. He did so with minimal vetting, including of his personal finances. He continues to refuse to release his tax returns,” Boyle’s letter said.

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The anti-Trump sentiments in Boyle’s letter stand in stark contrast to Breitbart’s coverage of the candidate.

“Do you really think Michelle Fields will do serious investigative reporting on Donald Trump’s tax returns? What about on his decades of dealings with mafia mobsters or on his scores of bad real estate deals?” Boyle’s letter said. “Do you think Ms. Fields can handle aggressive investigations into Trump University or reporting on Donald Trump’s demagoguery of women, immigrants, Muslims and African Americans. Stop kidding yourselves. The world is laughing at you.”

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The open letter Boyle hoped progressives would send referred to the incident between Fields and Lewandowski as “entertaining” as it urged the Huffington Post to “change course” in its decision to hire Fields. Boyle’s letter also repeatedly praised the Huffington Post for regularly “trolling” Trump.

“Given the severity of the situation, which we have been pleased that until now you took seriously, we were disappointed to see your hiring of Michelle Fields as a Trump campaign reporter,” the Boyle letter said. “While Ms. Fields’ interaction with the Trump campaign was certainly entertaining, and we appreciated all the good laughs we had as Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski struggled through a media and legal minefield on this matter, we feel as though it is your responsibility as the leading progressive news source in the world to step up your game in vetting Trump.”

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2016, 11:33:17 PM

(http://www.adweek.com/fishbowldc/files/2012/12/imgres-73.jpeg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: VomKriege on August 19, 2016, 12:02:04 AM

Quote from: Rufus on August 18, 2016, 08:38:39 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 18, 2016, 07:59:13 PM

https://theweek.com/articles/642568/biggest-crime-waves-america-isnt-what-think

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The Department of Labor only has 1,000 to 1,100 staff members looking into violations of wage and hour laws for the entire country. The Obama administration has requested an increase in funding for enforcement at least three times, but Congress has denied them.

Of course.

Any Western country would probably have less trouble collecting taxes if they hired a few thousands of those and tax inspector.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Kara on August 19, 2016, 12:46:46 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 19, 2016, 12:02:04 AM

Quote from: Rufus on August 18, 2016, 08:38:39 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on August 18, 2016, 07:59:13 PM

https://theweek.com/articles/642568/biggest-crime-waves-america-isnt-what-think

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The Department of Labor only has 1,000 to 1,100 staff members looking into violations of wage and hour laws for the entire country. The Obama administration has requested an increase in funding for enforcement at least three times, but Congress has denied them.

Of course.

Any Western country would probably have less trouble collecting taxes if they hired a few thousands of those and tax inspector.

Or not arbitrarily limiting its income streams for ideological reasons draped in the guise of specious economics. If government should be run like a business, why is that business just randomly deciding to not make money?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 01:40:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4mB714-8K0

queen katrina :heart yaaasss queen

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 01:56:02 AM

god, she's amazing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnk5yZpPro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_eSyY5bUs
in response to this one:

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Katrina Pierson ✔ @KatrinaPierson
For the record, audio disruptions and echos should be fixed immediately. Especially when you say it out loud on the air. @CNN
3:24 PM - 13 Aug 2016

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 02:13:06 AM

Accidentally clicked on the wrong page and hadn't seen this but I love taking dumb online tests:

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 02:14:20 PM

http://chartsme.com/

Your brain is a Democrat

Conservative (38%)
Liberal (62%)

Probably bogus in many many ways but whatever.

Quote

Your brain is a Democrat

Conservative (19%)
Liberal (81%)

i wish you had got 50/50 stoney

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Trent Dole on August 19, 2016, 05:17:59 AM

My brain is 55% Republican. TFW fascist.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 08:56:15 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/foreign-policy/291659-obamas-foreign-policy-worsened-eastern-european-chaos

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When most Americans think about Barack Obama’s foreign policy, the terms Benghazi, Arab Spring, ISIS, Cuba rapprochement and the Russian Re-set Button quickly come to mind.
 
Yet those aren’t his only embarrassing failures.
 
Obama’s global influence, or lack thereof, also led to a spike in chaos and corruption throughout Eastern Europe, harming American interests. I’ve personally seen this on recent think tank trips, speaking and touring for a collective three months in 12 European countries to include 7 former Soviet Republics and several satellite states.

wow, good thing Trump will make us great again

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| NO BABIES ALLOWED
Post by: archie4208 on August 19, 2016, 09:33:51 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 02:13:06 AM

Accidentally clicked on the wrong page and hadn't seen this but I love taking dumb online tests:

Quote from: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2016, 02:14:20 PM

http://chartsme.com/

Your brain is a Democrat

Conservative (38%)
Liberal (62%)

Probably bogus in many many ways but whatever.

Quote

Your brain is a Democrat

Conservative (19%)
Liberal (81%)

i wish you had got 50/50 stoney

>Don't want to touch a dead body
>This makes me a Republican

???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 19, 2016, 10:14:47 AM

 :drudge http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-manafort-resigns-campaign-manager :drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: brob on August 19, 2016, 10:41:12 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/pV8QmGV.png)

tfw ur emotional spectrum is validated #representationmatters

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 11:52:29 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CqOyvYuUkAA61tD.jpg)

all according to keikaku

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 19, 2016, 12:13:04 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 19, 2016, 10:14:47 AM

:drudge http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-manafort-resigns-campaign-manager :drudge

And we're still two months away from an October surprise :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 19, 2016, 01:41:34 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/MzCYtbm.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 19, 2016, 03:38:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 19, 2016, 10:14:47 AM

:drudge http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/paul-manafort-resigns-campaign-manager :drudge

The dumpster fire that keeps on giving.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 03:40:11 PM

(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2016/08/Politics_FT.png)
(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2016/08/Politics_FT_2.png)
(http://www.pewresearch.org/files/2016/08/Politics_FT_3.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2016, 03:48:12 PM

Sad!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Atramental on August 19, 2016, 04:28:17 PM

My dad is starting to self identify as a libertarian now. I... I don't know how to feel about this.  :doge

At least he isn't wearing a trilby and smoking from a vape rig. Yet.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 04:34:39 PM

MAKE HIM TAKE THE TEST: http://www.bcaplan.com/cgi-bin/purity.cgi

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What Your Score Means

0 points: You are not a libertarian by any stretch of the imagination. You are probably not even a liberal or a conservative. Just some Nazi nut, I guess.

1-5 points: You have a few libertarian notions, but overall you're a statist.

6-15 points: You are starting to have libertarian leanings. Explore them.

16-30 points: You are a soft-core libertarian. With effort, you may harden and become pure.

31-50 points: Your libertarian credentials are obvious. Doubtlessly you will become more extreme as time goes on.

51-90 points: You are a medium-core libertarian, probably self-consciously so. Your friends probably encourage you to quit talking about your views so much.

91-130 points: You have entered the heady realm of hard-core libertarianism. Now doesn't that make you feel worse that you didn't get a perfect score?

131-159 points: You are nearly a perfect libertarian, with a tiny number of blind spots. Think about them, then take the test over again. On the other hand, if you scored this high, you probably have a good libertarian objection to my suggested libertarian answer. :-)

160 points: Perfect! The world needs more like you.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Trent Dole on August 19, 2016, 04:38:50 PM

34. Some of those ideas are insane.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 19, 2016, 04:42:04 PM

I got a 19

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Rufus on August 19, 2016, 04:44:10 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on August 19, 2016, 04:42:04 PM

I got a 19

Same

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Atramental on August 19, 2016, 04:47:38 PM

18 :P

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16-30 points: You are a soft-core libertarian. With effort, you may harden and become pure.

Gross. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 04:49:47 PM

I filled it out as Trump and got 26.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 19, 2016, 04:51:10 PM

Quote from: Pallando on August 19, 2016, 04:47:38 PM

18 :P

Quote

16-30 points: You are a soft-core libertarian. With effort, you may harden and become pure.

Gross. :doge

Pure-blooded hard... things :noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: helios on August 19, 2016, 04:52:28 PM

I got 15. I can only live in benji's shadow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 19, 2016, 04:57:25 PM

One of my high school teachers was a Libertarian, but he was a cool guy and I think he just wanted to smoke pot (he never talked about pot to us students, but I get the impression that he wasn't opposed to 420blazeit). He spent most of his 20's hitchhiking across Mexico, prolly did all kinds of wild shit, and then he married a mamacita and came back to the US to teach Spanish. He made being a Libertarian seem really cool when I was 16.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 04:58:45 PM

Jeb! Bush was one of your high school teachers?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: tiesto on August 19, 2016, 05:12:45 PM

Got 21 with that quiz.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 05:13:06 PM

Quote from: Pallando on August 19, 2016, 04:47:38 PM

18 :P

Quote

16-30 points: You are a soft-core libertarian. With effort, you may harden and become pure.

Gross. :doge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHjfhOdZWaM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 19, 2016, 05:19:21 PM

I got 10.  :patel

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: chronovore on August 19, 2016, 05:57:24 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 10:45:43 PM

https://www.yahoo.com/news/breitbart-editor-planned-secret-anti-trump-campaign-to-take-down-reporter-215500960.html

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After former Breitbart News reporter Michelle Fields turned against the right-wing news site in May, the site’s Washington Political Editor Matt Boyle had an idea.

Breitbart has been a major booster of Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump and the media company’s chairman, Steve Bannon, became the chief executive of Trump’s campaign on Wednesday. Since Bannon joined Trump’s team, it has been rumored Boyle might follow him to the campaign.

However, Boyle was apparently willing to work with progressive activists to insult Trump if it might cost Fields her new job at the left-leaning Huffington Post, which hired her to cover Trump.

Yahoo News has obtained a copy of an email Boyle sent to a progressive activist on May 26, four days after Fields announced her new position with the Huffington Post. It was apparently meant to be an open letter from progressives to the Huffington Post complaining that Fields wouldn’t be aggressive enough against Trump.

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Boyle’s message contained an open letter attacking Fields that he hoped the activist would encourage other progressives and union groups to sign. According to the source who provided the letter to Yahoo News, Boyle claimed he personally wrote the letter. Boyle’s letter described Trump and his policies as “dangerous” and implied that, as a conservative who “considered supporting and voting for Donald Trump,” Fields was not up to the task of covering his campaign and should be removed from her job by the Huffington Post.

Boyle clearly hoped the letter would not be linked to him. The subject line on his email to the progressive activist was written in all capital letters, “OFF RECORD — YOU DID NOT GET FROM ME.” Boyle’s message, which was sent from his personal Google email account, contained nothing other than the letter, which was titled, “An Open Letter To The Huffington Post From The Progressive Community.” Before criticizing Fields, Boyle’s letter cast Trump as a serious threat to the country.

“Donald Trump is a force to be reckoned with. He breezed through the Republican Primary to become that party’s presumptive presidential nominee by name-calling and insult-hurling, while putting forth a policy agenda we consider to be dangerous. His immigration plan would see millions of undocumented workers deported, families torn apart, and he literally campaigned on a plan to ban an entire religion from coming to the United States. He did so with minimal vetting, including of his personal finances. He continues to refuse to release his tax returns,” Boyle’s letter said.

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The anti-Trump sentiments in Boyle’s letter stand in stark contrast to Breitbart’s coverage of the candidate.

“Do you really think Michelle Fields will do serious investigative reporting on Donald Trump’s tax returns? What about on his decades of dealings with mafia mobsters or on his scores of bad real estate deals?” Boyle’s letter said. “Do you think Ms. Fields can handle aggressive investigations into Trump University or reporting on Donald Trump’s demagoguery of women, immigrants, Muslims and African Americans. Stop kidding yourselves. The world is laughing at you.”

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The open letter Boyle hoped progressives would send referred to the incident between Fields and Lewandowski as “entertaining” as it urged the Huffington Post to “change course” in its decision to hire Fields. Boyle’s letter also repeatedly praised the Huffington Post for regularly “trolling” Trump.

“Given the severity of the situation, which we have been pleased that until now you took seriously, we were disappointed to see your hiring of Michelle Fields as a Trump campaign reporter,” the Boyle letter said. “While Ms. Fields’ interaction with the Trump campaign was certainly entertaining, and we appreciated all the good laughs we had as Trump campaign manager Corey Lewandowski struggled through a media and legal minefield on this matter, we feel as though it is your responsibility as the leading progressive news source in the world to step up your game in vetting Trump.”

:neogaf

Ah, that joyous moment when a trash news related person realizes that their own trash news tactics can just as easily be used against them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: El Babua on August 19, 2016, 06:08:09 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 19, 2016, 05:19:21 PM

I got 10.  :patel

Same. I must harden and become pure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 19, 2016, 06:24:17 PM

I got 16. Lol and I once supported Ron Paul, boy has my mind changed

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2016, 10:19:32 PM

http://radaronline.com/videos/malia-obama-smoking-pot-claims-twerking-video-dad-barack-reaction/ (http://radaronline.com/videos/malia-obama-smoking-pot-claims-twerking-video-dad-barack-reaction/)

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The party’s over for Malia Obama! After RadarOnline.com released the shocking video of an eyewitness accusing President Obama‘s 18-year-old daughter of smoking pot, furious Barack confronted the teen on their summer vacation, said a source.

The source said that Barack went into crisis mode after the “First Wild Child” had to be hauled out of a house party on Martha’s Vineyard — just before local cops went in for a raid!

Sgt. Skip Manter with the West Tisbury Police Department confirmed that neighbors “complained about noise.”

Malia, 18, was hurried out of the rowdy bash by Secret Service right before police arrived.

“This is the president’s worst nightmare!” a source told Radar. “The end of his term is in sight — and the carefully crafted image of a world-beating family is unraveling right before his eyes!

“I’m sure he had some choice words for his daughter during that walk they took” after the party, said the source.

As Radar previously reported, a series of bombshell photos and videos surfaced after Malia was caught partying it up at the Lollapalooza music festival in Chicago on July 31.

The shocking images showed Malia, who is currently taking a “gap year” before entering Harvard in 2017, smoking a suspicious cigarette, exposing herself and twerking.

:usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 19, 2016, 10:41:29 PM

http://radaronline.com/videos/malia-obama-butt-dancing-lollapalooza-raw-unedited-video/

damn

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 19, 2016, 11:25:35 PM

Butt Dancing? Looks like you can take the girl out of the white house, but you can't take the white house out of the girl.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 20, 2016, 12:48:26 AM

It would def be cool if people were buildings and vice versa. Let's make it happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Kara on August 20, 2016, 01:14:57 AM

78% liberal, when can I start destroying the family unit, religion, and arbitrary privileges in the name of consuming the planet's human and ecological resources to make a few bucks?

Oh it's not that kind of liberal.

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Or is it. :hitler

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2016, 10:46:12 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on August 20, 2016, 12:48:26 AM

It would def be cool if people were buildings and vice versa. Let's make it happen.

Ow, she's a brick da dun dun dun house.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2016, 10:12:18 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/trump-advisor-maybe-backdrop-of-a-burning-car-would-reach-black-voters-better/

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He’s saying, ‘You know what? I’m interested, I went to Milwaukee, I’m here tonight, I want to talk to you,'” he said. At his speech in the Milwaukee suburbs, Trump slammed the black protesters in Milwaukee protesting in the streets.

Keilar jumped in, “I have to stop you because you said he’s going there. He’s not, he’s in Diamondale, which is 93 percent white. When he was in Milwaukee the other day, it was part of Milwaukee that wasn’t dealing — I mean he, it’s almost completely white”

“Well yeah, but Brianna he went,” Kingston began to say over her. “I mean, maybe it would have been nice if he went and had a backdrop with a burning car, but the reality is—”

Keilar cut him off, “No no no no no, I’m not talking about a burning car. I’m talking about meeting with black voters.”

lmao  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 20, 2016, 11:40:46 PM

https://youtu.be/jBmp7z9BR1w

 :cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 21, 2016, 12:11:32 AM

That nickname for Obama is a swing and a miss. Take another roll on that one Donald.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2016, 01:33:56 PM

http://www.mediaite.com/election-2016/trump-campaign-manager-defends-black-community-remarks-by-saying-im-white-i-was-moved/
 :lol

I'm all for democrats being held accountable on "black issues" and issues surrounding pandering for votes but jesus. Not from you fuckers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 21, 2016, 02:32:40 PM

It's been said multiple times elsewhere, but basically those comments weren't meant for black people. They were meant to make white conservatives feel good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 21, 2016, 04:44:11 PM

welcome back kara
https://twitter.com/EWErickson/status/767440409077354497

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 21, 2016, 08:37:30 PM

Quote

Conservative Nation ‏@triumphtimes  5h5 hours ago
@EWErickson reminds me of this election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 21, 2016, 08:45:26 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWDvy2RCVpw

I think at this point The Weekly World News (RIP in peace) had more credibility than CNN does now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Syph on August 21, 2016, 09:19:35 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 18, 2016, 06:39:43 PM

You know there's a problem when Ben Shapiro is the voice of reason*.

also lol @ Shapiro arguing Andrew Breitbart loathed racism. Breitbart was one of the biggest proponents of the idea that racism is dead but, like Candy Man, can be resurrected if you dare utter a phrase like "racial inequality" into the mirror three times. He all all aboard the reverse racism movement, the Obama=racist shit, etc etc.

I suppose I'll personally give Shapiro some dap for not being a racist pos like say...Milo, but at least Milo is entertaining.

just found out he's (Milo) coming to my school next calendar year
aka after the election...should be interesting haha

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 22, 2016, 10:23:04 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/EZa818N.png)

Go on.  :hitler

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No lies detected about MJ's unwatchability, tho.  :donot

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: archie4208 on August 22, 2016, 11:49:38 AM

Talk about water cooler gossip while you're getting crushed, breh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 22, 2016, 12:14:49 PM

I hope we find out what his fact finding team found out in Hawaii about Obama's birth certificate, too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on August 22, 2016, 01:42:51 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 22, 2016, 12:14:49 PM

I hope we find out what his fact finding team found out in Hawaii about Obama's birth certificate, too.

has nobody asked about this on record? This is the ultimate in low hanging fruit. "They found things you wouldn't believe." he said in a recorded interview that is now easily accessible to millions. Well, what did they find? I'm really curious to know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 22, 2016, 06:51:28 PM

http://gizmodo.com/why-you-should-follow-your-roommate-on-social-media-hi-1785603586

Welp.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 22, 2016, 10:16:48 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9lfuqqNA_g&feature=youtu.be

Bernie save us

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 22, 2016, 10:41:04 PM

And by us I mean you.  I know if shit happened to me fellow Canadians would help out through our shared tax dollars*

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*since I'm white

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 23, 2016, 12:04:16 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUXHWWpaYNc

"You have a responsibility to teach  your children."

Great, lady. when are you going to start?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2016, 09:24:29 AM

Quote from: Dufus on August 23, 2016, 02:14:49 AM

wasn't there another conservative wunderkind that republicans worshipped? and then his balls dropped and turned into a democrat?

Which one? :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-rent_us_57bba424e4b03d51368a82b9

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Trump nearly quintupled the monthly rent his presidential campaign pays for its headquarters at Trump Tower to $169,758 in July, when he was raising funds from donors, compared with March, when he was self-funding his campaign, according to a Huffington Post review of Federal Election Commission filings. The rent jumped even though he was paying fewer staff in July than he did in March.

The Trump campaign paid Trump Tower Commercial LLC $35,458 in March ― the same amount it had been paying since last summer ― and had 197 paid employees and consultants. In July, it paid 172 employees and consultants.

 :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2016, 10:05:20 AM

Quote from: Dufus on August 23, 2016, 02:14:49 AM

wasn't there another conservative wunderkind that republicans worshipped? and then his balls dropped and turned into a democrat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Krohn

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2016, 11:40:24 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2016, 10:05:20 AM

Quote from: Dufus on August 23, 2016, 02:14:49 AM

wasn't there another conservative wunderkind that republicans worshipped? and then his balls dropped and turned into a democrat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Krohn

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 23, 2016, 11:56:00 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/trump-campaign-rent_us_57bba424e4b03d51368a82b9

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Trump nearly quintupled the monthly rent his presidential campaign pays for its headquarters at Trump Tower to $169,758 in July, when he was raising funds from donors, compared with March, when he was self-funding his campaign, according to a Huffington Post review of Federal Election Commission filings. The rent jumped even though he was paying fewer staff in July than he did in March.

The Trump campaign paid Trump Tower Commercial LLC $35,458 in March ― the same amount it had been paying since last summer ― and had 197 paid employees and consultants. In July, it paid 172 employees and consultants.

 :success

This is a huge fucking scam :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 23, 2016, 12:14:53 PM

It's obvious that trump knows he's going to lose so now he's trying to make as much money off the campaign as he can.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 23, 2016, 12:24:41 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2016, 11:40:24 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on August 23, 2016, 10:05:20 AM

Quote from: Dufus on August 23, 2016, 02:14:49 AM

wasn't there another conservative wunderkind that republicans worshipped? and then his balls dropped and turned into a democrat?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Krohn

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/27/politics/cj-pearson-conservative-teen-renounces-republicans/

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson

"Teens for Trump" :lol

Dude knows how to hustle so I can't be too jelly.

Edit- In December he endorsed Sanders. http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/09/politics/cj-pearson-youtube-endorses-bernie-sanders/

He's either /r/politics personified or all of /r/politics are 13 year-olds.

Edit 2- He wrote this last December: http://cjpearson.org/post/145426994077/im-13-and-donald-trump-becoming-president-scares

(http://i.imgur.com/fFvHD24.png)

Dude is flip-floppier than me in a straight strip club full of grannies. :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 23, 2016, 12:33:34 PM

13 year olds want attention, who knew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Rufus on August 23, 2016, 12:47:08 PM

Championing conservative children is only natural when you celebrate ignorance in general.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 23, 2016, 01:01:08 PM

Actually dude seems like less an attention whore and more straight up scam artist.

http://cowgernation.com/2016/07/27/hes-baaack-cj-pearson-scams-nearly-1000-from-trump-supporters-after-calling-them-stupid/

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Pearson has a history of scamming conservatives, most memorably last year when he partnered (http://cowgernation.com/2015/07/07/exclusive-cj-pearson-partners-with-convicted-con-artist-scams-2-7k/) with a convicted con-artist and collected over $2,900 from unsuspecting donors.

The last time that Pearson was in the mainstream news was in an article by The Daily Caller. In May, reporter Betsy Rothstein revealed that Pearson was suspended from school after bullying two girls. He was also given a disciplinary hearing, after being considered for expulsion.

Class act.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2016, 01:28:59 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt22Y9-dfNk

YASSSSSSSSS QUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

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Am I don't it right, Andy-kun?

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 23, 2016, 01:31:21 PM

More or less.

Edit- Thought the thumbnail was a beer :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2016, 01:36:50 PM

www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/23/steve-bannon-donald-trump-s-campaign-ceo-once-wrote-a-rap-musical.html

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Agrippa fires back, and in doing so commands the crowd’s attention.
“South Central is the belly, you, niccas, its mutinous members; look on and you’ll see that the benefits which you receive proceed… from them to you. In no way from your sorry black asses,” Agrippa retorts.
According to the unproduced script, the Blood subsequently “crosses to Brutus and grabs his crotch.”
“Hey, motherfucker, YOU—what you think—YOU—as the great dick of this… assembly?” Agrippa asks.
“Did you call me…” Brutus replies.
“A dick,” Agrippa says, cutting him off, “in his face.”
“You motherfucker…” Brutus responds.
Agrippa grasps at Brutus’s penis, one extra time.

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2016, 03:26:53 PM

At 26, I want double the attention.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 23, 2016, 03:27:14 PM

wait I'm 27.  Fuck.  When did that happen. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 23, 2016, 04:21:37 PM

Another bad day for Roger Ailes/Fox News:

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/fivepoints/andrea-tantaros-fox-news-lawsuit-roger-ailes

“Fox News masquerades as a defender of traditional family values, but behind the scenes, it operates like a sex-fueled, Playboy Mansion-like cult, steeped in intimidation, indecency and misogyny,” the complaint, filed in New York State Supreme Court, reads.

It's all very similar to what's in the suit filed by Gretchen Carlson, so now Ailes et al have to slime their way out of two lawsuits. Hopefully the whole operation gets deep sixed before too much longer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 23, 2016, 04:27:56 PM

The thing about this suit is that it also goes after the people who eventually took charge for Ailes as being complicit in the harassment.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2016, 06:30:04 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/08/23/did-donald-trump-make-donations-for-flood-relief-in-louisiana-heres-what-we-know/?postshare=2111471979644122&tid=ss_tw

:success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: thisismyusername on August 24, 2016, 11:53:58 AM

https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/768323099485843456

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 24, 2016, 12:57:10 PM

http://www.dailydot.com/irl/lesbian-and-transgender-hillbillies-are-taking-over-your-town/

Momma always told me that the gubmint would send teh lesbians after me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2016, 03:20:40 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on August 24, 2016, 12:57:10 PM

http://www.dailydot.com/irl/lesbian-and-transgender-hillbillies-are-taking-over-your-town/

Momma always told me that the gubmint would send teh lesbians after me.

I hope this happens. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2016, 07:36:04 PM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/24/brexit-advocate-farage-will-reportedly-appear-with-trump-in-mississippi.html

lol wut? Trump campaigning with Nigel Farage?

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Farage is already in Jackson, Mississippi, he told ITN, an NBC News partner. He is expected to tell the story of Brexit and its implications for the world.

(http://i.imgur.com/FXGkpJD.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 25, 2016, 12:21:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwclVS3nVNs
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Sausage on August 25, 2016, 02:23:48 AM

yeah well hillary is the real bigot

https://twitter.com/SarahWoodwriter/status/768615326611365888

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Trent Dole on August 25, 2016, 03:24:01 AM

Billy Joel Proudly Presents: We Didn't Start the Fascism
https://youtu.be/C7aG-VQYGhA
Bonus Breitbart Headlines!
https://youtu.be/xj5BSFoXgf4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Tasty on August 25, 2016, 05:13:11 PM

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2016/08/23/cruel-attacks-on-richardson-couple-with-clinton-sign-in-yard/

Only gonna get worse brehs. I'm imagining Montreal-after-the-Habs-lose-the-playoffs levels of hate, sour grapes and property destruction when Trump loses.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Trent Dole on August 25, 2016, 11:28:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwUVxzOfV3A

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2016, 11:48:13 AM

I sincerely hope that every Mainer feels a jolt of shame every time LePage shows up in the news.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2016, 11:59:03 AM

Quote

Dwayne Wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 27, 2016

 :crazy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 27, 2016, 01:06:04 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on August 27, 2016, 01:01:58 PM

I want to ignore Trump. I really, really want to. But it's like everyday he says a dumber and crazier thing than before and it's all over the news.

The thing is this process has been going on daily for like over a year.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 27, 2016, 01:27:25 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on August 27, 2016, 11:59:03 AM

Quote

Dwayne Wade's cousin was just shot and killed walking her baby in Chicago. Just what I have been saying. African-Americans will VOTE TRUMP!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 27, 2016

 :crazy

Didn't even spell the man's name correctly.  :shaq2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Samson Manhug on August 28, 2016, 12:00:40 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhUrJyVF_1E

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2016, 01:28:06 PM

Hitlery is such a toxic and damaged candidate, that Trump does have a very real chance of winning in a landslide! But don't tell that to a lefty demonrat, because they are so much smarter than we are! Yeah right LOL!!!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: zomgee on August 28, 2016, 05:45:45 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on August 28, 2016, 12:00:40 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhUrJyVF_1E

So all Trump has to do is add numbers to win. Shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 28, 2016, 07:05:46 PM

https://twitter.com/goody37/status/770021223636037633

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 28, 2016, 09:17:04 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cql_xKyVIAAvqse.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 28, 2016, 09:45:23 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2016/08/28/rob-lowe-roast-ann-coulter/89505556/

Quote

Saturday Night Live cast member Pete Davidson quipped, “If you are here, Ann, who is scaring the crows away from our crops?”

 :lol

Quote

There were also lines about Coulter's political views. "Ann Coulter has written 11 books, 12 if you count Mein Kampf," said comedian Nikki Glaser. "Ann, you're awful. The only person you will ever make happy is the Mexican who digs your grave."

 :whoo

Quote

"She seems stiff and conservative, but Ann gets wild in the sheets. Just ask the Klan," said Roast Master David Spade. "It looks like she’s having a good time. I haven’t seen her laugh this hard since Trayvon Martin got shot."

 :busta

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2016, 09:54:01 PM

Quote

Former NFL quarterback Peyton Manning had a joke about her appearance, too: "I just realized that I'm not the only athlete up here tonight. As you all know, earlier this year Ann Coulter won the Kentucky Derby."

You know it's rough night, when even fetus-head is taking shots at your face.  :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 29, 2016, 07:21:35 AM

Anthony Weiner got caught sexting yet again.  I think this is now the fourth time he's been caught: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anthony-weiner-sext-scandal_us_57c3d64be4b085c1ff2a0686

Someone needs to take the phone away from Beavis :beavis

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2016, 09:34:51 AM

It's not even about "sex addiction" at this point, it's moreso about using his perceived celebrity/clout to get pussy. A normal dude would simply create an anonymous profile somewhere, perhaps on Seeking Arrangement, and reel them in; he could likely meet young chicks who have no idea who he is. Instead this dude out here DMing chicks from Twitter meaning that a chick can expose or blackmail him at any time lmao. Dumbass.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: helios on August 29, 2016, 09:48:04 AM

Don't kinkshame

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 29, 2016, 09:48:25 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2016, 09:34:51 AM

It's not even about "sex addiction" at this point, it's moreso about using his perceived celebrity/clout to get pussy. A normal dude would simply create an anonymous profile somewhere, perhaps on Seeking Arrangement, and reel them in; he could likely meet young chicks who have no idea who he is. Instead this dude out here DMing chicks from Twitter meaning that a chick can expose or blackmail him at any time lmao. Dumbass.

This is obviously a false flag operation to draw attention away from Emailghazi.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 29, 2016, 09:56:45 AM

Plus, who would want to be called Huma Weiner.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 29, 2016, 11:55:54 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/abedin-announces-separation-anthony-weiner

Heeeeeeeey Huma, wanna fuck a fat white goyim to get revenge on Anthony?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 29, 2016, 01:15:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnUOQpLyWLs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Syph on August 29, 2016, 01:31:00 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on August 29, 2016, 11:55:54 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/abedin-announces-separation-anthony-weiner

Heeeeeeeey Huma, wanna fuck a fat white goyim to get revenge on Anthony?

it's actually fucking hilarious
not to mention you know this is the Clinton's pressuring for this divorce
in the sense that Huma is too dumb to have initiated herself all these years

refuse to divorce your creepy husband for political gains brehs

spoiler (click to show/hide)

>implying there were any gains left

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on August 29, 2016, 01:42:53 PM

If it wasn't for his second texting scandal, he likely would be the mayor of NYC right now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 29, 2016, 02:36:21 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/5SX9Uztl.png)
(not my screenshot. W10 scust)

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: tiesto on August 29, 2016, 03:52:47 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on August 29, 2016, 01:42:53 PM

If it wasn't for his second texting scandal, he likely would be the mayor of NYC right now.

Even with the sexting scandals he'd probably still be better than DiBlasio.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: studyguy on August 29, 2016, 06:05:03 PM

Did Paul Ryan and crew just fall off the face of the earth?
I haven't heard shit from anyone who isn't breitbart tier crazy in a goooood minute...
That man must be living in a bunker.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 30, 2016, 05:28:15 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-j_eBgc4Zc

 :idont

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 30, 2016, 08:58:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5GToosCD7k
whewwwwww

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on August 30, 2016, 10:02:12 PM

It's just like the bore told me about being rape-proof. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 30, 2016, 10:17:55 PM

Just got to get more fit, maybe start a fitness club for likeminded men

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BuOF75vIcAECRFb.jpg)

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2016, 01:03:48 AM

Quote from: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_83016.pdf

Q12 Would you support or opposing building a wall
along the Atlantic Ocean to keep Muslims from
entering the country from the Middle East?
Support 18% ...........................................................
Oppose 69% ...........................................................
Not sure 13%

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2016, 01:11:39 AM

:rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: bluemax on August 31, 2016, 01:57:32 AM

Good thing Bernie got that revolution ball rolling! Oh wait...
 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-wins-primary_us_57c48b00e4b09cd22d91f144)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Mandark on August 31, 2016, 02:22:12 AM

Quote from: bluemax on August 31, 2016, 01:57:32 AM

Good thing Bernie got that revolution ball rolling! Oh wait...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/debbie-wasserman-schultz-wins-primary_us_57c48b00e4b09cd22d91f144

Was reading this (http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/canova-revolution-bernie-sanders-debbie-wasserman-schultz/497807/) earlier, about how Sanders didn't give Canova a ton of support and how the tax structure of Our Revolution hampers them coordinating with campaigns.  When Sanders announced the thing, he mentioned some Congressional candidates he supported, but not Canova.

But Canova was running really aggressively against the Iran deal (it's a very Jewish CD), so I really don't have any problem with Sanders quietly backing away from that race.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Brehvolution on August 31, 2016, 08:52:54 AM

Quote from: studyguy on August 29, 2016, 06:05:03 PM

Did Paul Ryan and crew just fall off the face of the earth?
I haven't heard shit from anyone who isn't breitbart tier crazy in a goooood minute...
That man must be living in a bunker.

He's been busy fellating Tim Cook:
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-taxpayers-would-be-poorer-if-eu-wins-apple-tax-case-white-house-spokesman-says-2016-08-30

Quote

“Slamming a company with a giant tax bill — years after the fact — sends exactly the wrong message to job creators on both sides of the Atlantic,” Ryan said.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: ToxicAdam on August 31, 2016, 09:32:46 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on August 31, 2016, 01:03:48 AM

Quote from: http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_83016.pdf

Q12 Would you support or opposing building a wall
along the Atlantic Ocean to keep Muslims from
entering the country from the Middle East?
Support 18% ...........................................................
Oppose 69% ...........................................................
Not sure 13%

You know somewhere down the line (once they break down the demographics) there is going to be a story where ' 44% of Republicans in South Carolina support building a wall around the Atlantic.'

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2016, 10:07:28 AM

For most of the crosstabs it's actually fairly close to the general results. There's a 15-20% of people of all demographic alignments that like the idea. 19% of women support the Atlantic Wall (65% opposed vs.  17% of men, 72% opposed) and 19% of hispanics and 10% of blacks. (20% of whites.)

31% of Trump supporters support the idea but that may include wall enthusiasts who are drawn to Trump because he's the only clear pro-walls politician since East Germany collapsed.

29% of people 18-29 support such a wall, only 53% opposed. Their net favorability of the idea is actually the same as Trump supporters. Even though they're 52-22-6-8 for Hillary-Trump-Johnson-Stein and 63-24 for Hillary-Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2016, 10:38:10 AM

Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-considers-last-minute-meeting-in-mexico-with-the-countrys-president/2016/08/30/5a694790-6f12-11e6-9705-23e51a2f424d_story.html

Donald Trump will travel to Mexico City on Wednesday for a meeting with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto, just hours before he delivers a high-stakes speech in Arizona to clarify his views on immigration policy.

OMG seriously?! :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Boogie on August 31, 2016, 10:50:15 AM

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2016, 11:35:06 AM

He knows what's in Hillary's e-mails regarding Fast and Furious.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: VomKriege on August 31, 2016, 12:34:09 PM

Quote from: Boogie on August 31, 2016, 10:50:15 AM

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

He extended the invitation to both candidates. It's not in Mexico best interest to burn bridges with a potential future Republican administration or to appear they are "taking sides". The latter would probably further incense the hostility of Trump's voters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: CatsCatsCats on August 31, 2016, 01:13:05 PM

Or the drug cartels forced him to do it so they could take out trump  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2016, 01:32:19 PM

BUILD. THAT. WALL.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2016, 03:46:37 PM

So Trump will be attending services at Greater Faith Ministries in Detroit on Sunday. This is the prosperity/healing megachurch that my grandma bought multiple gallons of "healing water" from, and ended up hurting herself while trying to carry one to her house.
:dead

They also threw her walking cane in a big ass garbage can after healing her legs. Needless to say she had to buy a new cane a couple days later.
:dead

I shit you not.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2016, 03:47:49 PM

Quote from: Boogie on August 31, 2016, 10:50:15 AM

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

(http://i.imgur.com/LQ80dER.png)

youplayedyourself.gif

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| A Very Breitbart Election
Post by: Boogie on August 31, 2016, 03:59:28 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 31, 2016, 12:34:09 PM

Quote from: Boogie on August 31, 2016, 10:50:15 AM

Why the fuck would EPN agree to take that meeting at this point in time?

He extended the invitation to both candidates. It's not in Mexico best interest to burn bridges with a potential future Republican administration or to appear they are "taking sides". The latter would probably further incense the hostility of Trump's voters.

Yes, but the proper way in this election situation, in my opinion, to not burn bridges or incense anyone is just to keep your damn heads down and stay out of the way.

  That way:

Quote from: Joe Molotov on August 31, 2016, 03:47:49 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/LQ80dER.png)

youplayedyourself.gif

...you don't end up looking like a bunch of idiots, like so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on August 31, 2016, 04:14:53 PM

Oh boy, Trump gonna have a rowdy trip then !

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 31, 2016, 04:16:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2016, 03:46:37 PM

So Trump will be attending services at Greater Faith Ministries in Detroit on Sunday. This is the prosperity/healing megachurch that my grandma bought multiple gallons of "healing water" from, and ended up hurting herself while trying to carry one to her house.

Apparently, he's not even going to address the congragation, just do a private interview with the pastor to be distributed later. :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2016, 05:55:25 PM

Trump said he didn't discuss Mexico paying for the wall with the Mexican president. What a cuck.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Madrun Badrun on August 31, 2016, 06:19:10 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on August 31, 2016, 06:34:26 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on August 31, 2016, 05:55:25 PM

Trump said he didn't discuss Mexico paying for the wall with the Mexican president. What a cuck.  :doge

He also used a much more conciliatory "keep manufacturing wealth in our hemisphere". Wasn't he the one boycotting Oreos because Nabisco moved part of the jobs to Mexico ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2016, 07:19:26 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on August 31, 2016, 06:34:26 PM

Wasn't he the one boycotting Oreos because Nabisco moved part of the jobs to Mexico ?

wow shots fired out of nowhere at obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2016, 07:31:41 PM

 :drudge

(https://guccifer2.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/blm.png?w=756)

(http://dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/DCCMemoBLM-620x102.jpg)

(https://guccifer2.files.wordpress.com/2016/08/benghazi.png?w=756)

Benghazi a WRY SHORTHAND?!?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 04:33:20 AM

And... once he set a foot back on US soil, Trump reaffirmed that he will deport all illegals, build a wall paid by Mexico. Pivoting at 360° !
Why even bother going the other side of the Rio Grande then ?

 :confused

EDIT : Oh God

MAKE MEXICO GREAT AGAIN ALSO

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 07:05:09 AM

Assange  :trash

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2016, 10:18:25 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 04:33:20 AM

And... once he set a foot back on US soil, Trump reaffirmed that he will deport all illegals, build a wall paid by Mexico. Pivoting at 360° !
Why even bother going the other side of the Rio Grande then ?

 :confused

EDIT : Oh God

MAKE MEXICO GREAT AGAIN ALSO

 :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/j6E2ZeE.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 01, 2016, 10:23:08 AM

Quote from: Dufus on September 01, 2016, 06:59:22 AM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/08/julian-assange-american-press-supports-demon-hillary-clinton-227597

she's so demonic, friends

Be a supporter of free and open government while being a stooge for Putin, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 01:43:36 PM

Since I'm roasting Gaffers on their views about overseas military expeditions it's only fair I provide a link to something more sensible. This article do sum up quite nicely the problem of a power assuming absolute "primacy" in world affairs.

http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/no-more-of-the-same-the-problem-with-primacy/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 01, 2016, 02:07:18 PM

I was at the airport last night waiting in the terminal when the Trump immigration speech was going on.  I've never been so frustrated and angry at a TV, the man is a disgusting pile of shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Mandark on September 01, 2016, 02:24:28 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 01:43:36 PM

Since I'm roasting Gaffers on their views about overseas military expeditions it's only fair I provide a link to something more sensible. This article do sum up quite nicely the problem of a power assuming absolute "primacy" in world affairs.

http://warontherocks.com/2016/08/no-more-of-the-same-the-problem-with-primacy/

Yo, you can't be bragging about "roasting" people online then linking to something this dumb.

Quote from: the article

Former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Michael Mullen warned that debts and deficits represent threats to not just our fiscal health but our national security as well. Although military spending is not the primary driver of the nation’s massive and unprecedented fiscal imbalance, primacy’s high costs undermine our economic security.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 01, 2016, 03:31:46 PM

Not a brag, man, quite the contrary. Just saying might as well get my neck out at the risk of being burnt myself (which happened even quicker than I thought  :lol )

I'm not really interested in the debt being a national threat argument, it sounds dumb. I don't think it's the key argument in the article nor in general though which I am not limiting to the USA, but really to the Western interventionism ideology. I don't think it's useless to discuss if that strategy is not doing more harm than good and if military force is not abused to fix things it is not meant to.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: bdoughty on September 01, 2016, 04:43:45 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 01, 2016, 02:07:18 PM

I was at the airport last night waiting in the terminal when the Trump immigration speech was going on.  I've never been so frustrated and angry at a TV, the man is a disgusting pile of shit.

Giant douche and a turd sandwich. I have nobody to vote for this election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpvIKX6oNro

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 01, 2016, 06:17:57 PM

If I had a dime for every time I've heard someone apply the south park scool of political science to justify being a lazy, dollar store cynic...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2016, 08:29:38 PM

Everyone seems to forget the punchline/plot of the episode. Stan eventually comes back and votes to much town/school celebration.

And then the school goes back to the old mascot anyway.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Making it arguably an even more appropriately cynical episode. :lol

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Mandark on September 01, 2016, 11:58:07 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/jXRulA3.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 12:21:02 AM

http://theresurgent.com/the-tea-party-is-dead-good-riddance/

Quote

The damage became immense as the Republican establishment struck back. Groups like the Senate Conservatives Fund and Club For Growth were getting blamed for awful candidates running for office who they not only did not fund, but never actually supported and actively tried to dissuade from running.

As this confluence of malevolence, incompetence, and distrust built energy, the tea party began to fracture. Many of its members decided the only way to win was to adopt the tactics of the left. Unfortunately, they defined those tactics as behaving like thugs and jackasses. The left won, they thought, by being nasty. So they would be nasty too. The face of grassroots conservatism became a face of anger.

When conservatives stepped forward to promote the idea of the happy warrior, the angry activists accused them of surrender and compromise. Eventually, conservatives began stepping back and the angry grew more suspicious of anyone and everyone within a few degrees of Washington, D.C. All the while, the ever more corporatist Republican establishment played on and off these divisions, smearing legitimate conservative organizations as profiteers while continually breaking promises.

When Jeb Bush entered the Presidential race, the angry and suspicious became the angry and paranoid. They rallied to Donald Trump, not so much because they agreed with him, but because they were desperate. They had become convinced there was no hope, 2016 could mean the end of America, and they must take drastic measures to turn the tide. Drastic measures meant Trump. The conservatives, like Paul, Rubio and Cruz, could not be trusted because they were of Washington. That they had opposed Washington to varying degrees made no difference. The angry and paranoid concluded they were infected by establishmentarianism.

This all finally came to a head on Tuesday night. The angry and paranoid put forward Kelli Ward in Arizona, who believed in chem trails, and Carlos Beruff in Florida. Both reflected the bleak black hearts of the remains of a movement no longer driven by shared believe in limited government and instead driven by crazy town. Both were defeated and deservedly so. A tea party movement that stopped listening to sound advice and turned inward and tribal needed to lose.

After Trump’s loss in November, the angry-paranoid remnant of the tea party movement will not go away. It will still fester and troll. But those who developed the discernment to realize our ways are not the left’s ways and we do not have to proceed as they proceed will be the ones to help pick up the pieces. The others will, for the most part, be ignored.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

by Erick Erickson

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: bluemax on September 02, 2016, 12:33:33 AM

#TacoTrucksOnEveryCorner

(Has he been to Los Angeles?)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 02, 2016, 12:55:42 AM

The real shock in all of this is that Garrison Keillor is still alive. Thanks a lot, 2016.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/commentary/ct-donald-trump-losing-garrison-keillor-20160831-story.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 02, 2016, 02:10:08 AM

(http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-15465448040320_2435_4598660993.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 02:30:32 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/6jFM8nf.jpg)

Quote

Guitarist/vocalist and arch Republican Lee Atwater, along with a star-studded list of soul artists, ignite on 13 blue chip live performances of great R&B songs. Chuck Jackson, Carla Thomas, B.B. King, Isaac Hayes, Sam Moore, and gospel singer Bobby Jones contribute vocals; and Michael Toles, the Memphis Horns, ex-Motown bassist Bob Babbitt and Billy Preston, the music. This pleasing set is set off by Chuck Jackson and Sam Moore's scathing rendition of "Hold On I'm Coming"; Isaac Hayes' "I'm in the Mood"; B.B. King's guitar and vocal licks on "Red, Hot & Blue" and "Buzz Me"; and Jackson and Carla Thomas' fiery version of "Rescue Me."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: El Babua on September 02, 2016, 02:38:49 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 01, 2016, 08:29:38 PM

Everyone seems to forget the punchline/plot of the episode. Stan eventually comes back and votes to much town/school celebration.

And then the school goes back to the old mascot anyway.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Making it arguably an even more appropriately cynical episode. :lol

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It also had people fucking animals and creating grotesque hybrids. Don't know how people can forget about that!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 02:44:24 AM

Uh. Wow. Can you take your bigotry elsewhere? A politics thread is supposed to be a safe space.

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Post by: Mandark on September 02, 2016, 03:04:11 AM

Remember when Jonah Goldberg was trying to make "South Park conservatism" a thing?

That's an apt description of the alt-right, whose preferred candidate won the nomination over the objections of Goldberg's magazine.

Life comes at you fast.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 03:17:47 AM

Was Andrew Sullivan (in 2001?!?) apparently. NRO was doing the "Crunchy Cons" thing which was always funny. CONSERVATIVES CAN SHOP AT WHOLE FOODS AND FEEL OKAY ABOUT IT.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/we%E2%80%99re-not-losing-culture-wars-anymore-12482.html

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Andrew Sullivan dubs the fans of all this cable-nurtured satire “South Park Republicans”—people who “believe we need a hard-ass foreign policy and are extremely skeptical of political correctness” but also are socially liberal on many issues, Sullivan explains. Such South Park Republicanism is a real trend among younger Americans, he observes: South Park’s typical viewer, for instance, is an advertiser-ideal 28.

Talk to right-leaning college students, and it’s clear that Sullivan is onto something. Arizona State undergrad Eric Spratling says the definition fits him and his Republican pals perfectly. “The label is really about rejecting the image of conservatives as uptight squares—crusty old men or nerdy kids in blue blazers. We might have long hair, smoke cigarettes, get drunk on weekends, have sex before marriage, watch R-rated movies, cuss like sailors—and also happen to be conservative, or at least libertarian.” Recent Stanford grad Craig Albrecht says most of his young Bush-supporter friends “absolutely cherish” South Park–style comedy “for its illumination of hypocrisy and stupidity in all spheres of life.” It just so happens, he adds, “that most hypocrisy and stupidity take place within the liberal camp.”

Further supporting Sullivan’s contention, Gavin McInnes, co-founder of Vice—a “punk-rock-capitalist” entertainment corporation that publishes the hipster bible Vice magazine, produces CDs and films, runs clothing stores, and claims (plausibly) to have been “deep inside the heads of 18–30s for the past 10 years”—spots “a new trend of young people tired of being lied to for the sake of the ‘greater good.’ ” Especially on military matters, McInnes believes, many twenty-somethings are disgusted with the Left. The knee-jerk Left’s days “are numbered,” McInnes tells The American Conservative. “They are slowly but surely being replaced with a new breed of kid that isn’t afraid to embrace conservatism.”

the more things change:

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Nowhere does Fox differ more radically from the mainstream television and press than in its robustly pro-U.S. coverage of the War on Terror. After September 11, the American flag appeared everywhere, from the lapels of the anchormen to the corner of the screen. Ailes himself wrote to President Bush, urging him to strike back hard against al-Qaida. On-air personalities and reporters freely referred to “our” troops instead of “U.S. forces,” and Islamist “terrorists” and “evildoers” instead of “militants.” Such open displays of patriotism are anathema to today’s liberal journalists, who see “taking sides” as a betrayal of journalistic objectivity.

Asman demurs. For the free media to take sides against an enemy bent on eradicating the free society itself, he argues, isn’t unfair or culturally biased; it is the only possible logical and moral stance. And to call bin Ladin a “militant,” as Reuters does, is to betray the truth, not uphold it. “Terrorism is terrorism,” Asman says crisply. “We know what it is, and we know how to define it, just as our viewers know what it is. So we’re not going to play with them: when we see an act of terror, we’re going to call it terror.” On television news, anyway, Fox alone seemed to grasp this essential point from September 11 on. Says Asman: “CNN, MSNBC, the media generally were not declarative enough in calling a spade a spade.”

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All these remarkable, brand-new transformations have sent the Left reeling. Fox News especially is driving liberals wild. Former vice president Al Gore likens Fox to an evil right-wing “fifth column,” and he yearns to set up a left-wing competitor, as if a left-wing media didn’t already exist. Comedian and activist Al Franken’s new book Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them is one long jeremiad against Fox. Washington Post media critic Tom Shales calls Fox a “propaganda mill.” The Columbia Journalism School’s Todd Gitlin worries that Fox “emboldens the right wing to feel justified and confident they can promote their policies.”

obligatory:

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The Internet’s power, observes Mickey Kaus, the former New Republic writer whose Kausfiles blog has become indispensable reading for anyone interested in politics, “is due primarily to its influence over professional journalists, who then influence the public.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2016, 04:09:09 AM

The last few posts feel like Nolan tier exposition. How did I forget about this...good lord it fits perfectly. I remember laughing about the "South Park republicans" article long ago. Little did I know I was laughing at the future.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 04:36:12 AM

second to last line:
(http://www.nationsreportcard.gov/subject/_commonobjects/images/dash_rc_howarestudentsdoing.png)

thus we're doomed to repeat it :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 02, 2016, 04:45:31 AM

What's that subject above Writing but below Tech & Engineering?
I think it needs a #TriggerWarning

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2016, 09:31:58 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrWdtW0WYAE36HC.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 02, 2016, 01:01:07 PM

Trump couldn't get Hannity for the third debate?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 02, 2016, 01:07:46 PM

"Elaine Quijano" ?
Lie-beral media still at it, I see. What next, a muslim moderator ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: curly on September 02, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

Don't see the alt right/south park conservative link at all. Most of the people screaming cuck on the internet were probably 6 when the turd/douche sandwich episode came out. If south park conservatives were ever an actual thing they're old by now and have either moved on ideologically or are voting Johnson. Trump signifies the death of libertarian conservatism.

Of course, south park conservatives were always 90% a figment of conservative pundits' overheated imaginations.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Mandark on September 02, 2016, 08:58:50 PM

It ain't that serious, man.  Mostly it's an excuse for me to take shots at a horribly overrated cartoon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 03, 2016, 12:38:48 AM

this article is picking up steam
Bill Clinton aides used tax dollars to subsidize foundation, private email support (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/bill-clinton-used-tax-dollars-to-subsidize-foundation-private-email-support-teneo-227613)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2016, 12:51:05 AM

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Among the most eye-popping claims Clinton made to the FBI was that she was unfamiliar with the markings on classified documents. Yes, you read that correctly: one of the highest ranking national security officials in the United States government – an official whose day-to-day responsibilities extensively involved classified information; who had secure facilities installed in her two homes (in addition to her office) so she could review classified information in them; and who acknowledged to the FBI that, as secretary of state, she was designated by the president as “an Original Classification Authority,” meaning she had the power to determine what information should be classified and at what level – had the audacity to tell the interviewing agents that she did not know what the different classification symbols in classified documents signified.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-releases-anticipated-documents-heart-hillary-clinton-probe/story?id=41822909

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“Clinton did not recall receiving any emails she thought should not have been on an unclassified system,” reads a summary of the FBI’s findings from July. “She relied on State officials to use their judgment when emailing her and could not recall anyone raising concerns with her regarding the sensitivity of the information she received at her email address.”

As Comey said before, three email chains with Clinton included at least one paragraph marked with a “(C),” indicating the paragraph contained confidential material.

“Clinton stated she did not know what the ‘(C)’ meant at the beginning of the paragraphs and speculated it was referencing paragraphs marked in alphabetical order,” according to the FBI summary.

In addition, the paragraphs were not properly marked, lacking a header or footer indicating they contained classified information. But before their interview with Clinton, FBI agents placed the appropriate header on one of the emails to see how she would respond.

When confronted with the altered document, Clinton recognized the header and footer as indicating the presence of classified information, but she didn’t connect them to the “(C)” marking and said she didn’t think the email’s content was in fact classified. She questioned why it was marked as such, according to the FBI summary.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2016, 12:52:07 AM

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Hillary Clinton, under questioning by federal investigators over whether she had been briefed on how to preserve government records as she was about to leave the State Department, said she had suffered a concussion, was working part-time and could not recall every briefing she received.

Bill Clinton (and probably Huma) is yet again exploiting this poor completely incapacitated woman to get power back. :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 03, 2016, 01:08:39 AM

Dislike.  edit: like 4 posts to late.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2016, 01:38:26 AM

this could have been done so much better, especially since it's CALIFORNIA...but that Philosophy major (4:25-5:15) saved it so hard it made the rest all worth it :lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_tHJzlz1UU

liked the old white woman so excited she got Hillary, and the college girl who opposes obamacare and "absolutely [big smile]" supports marijuana

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFwdvMQHmOI

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Shining Hawkstar1 month ago
You ugly girls need to shove a plug up your own filthy, over-penetrated  "VAG's". Hillary is a rapist defender. She tried to get a grown man off raping a 12 year old CHILD & FEMALE. Take that, SEXIST feminists!

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Dextera Domini3 weeks ago
Women's right??? Are parents in this country really this stupid?Like someone who defends a child Rapist and proudly confesses her ability to discredit a little Girl that was raped to get a lighter sentence for the Rapist has room to talk about anything like this. People are so stupid.. They wish to elect someone that will defend someone that Raped your child.. She is Trash PERIOD !!! Careless???? Heartless Hillary!! makes me sick to look at her, Twisted bitch

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wateri42 months ago
They are voting for her because she is a "woman". This country is fucked in the future

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SeedfulMusic2 months ago
It blows my mind that women would vote for someone just b/c they are a woman. Sexism is so rampant that its worse than the race bating thats being glorified. The white male is hands down the most persecuted of all. The irony of it is... I genuinely give two shits less if a woman, or a black man are president, I just want someone with some god damn substance that will at least tell the truth, even if its wrong, or against what i stand for. BE REALLL for a change. Which is why Trump seems to be so likeable by many, despite his lack of political talk.

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derty QWERTY2 months ago
All these feminazis are happy about is a vagina is making the decision, yet they say they are all about equality and such, but they are voting totally sexist. Not to mention SHE IS GOING TO LOSE, LOOK AT THE NUMBERS FOLKS. Hillary never ever had a chance to win, which is why the sexist foolish women should have voted Bernie (at least the young women in this country are smart and know about Hillary, the older women are insanely sexist and dont research her negatives, simply because they trust anyone with a vagina and hate men)

But more importantly:

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krrrcht2 months ago
So great to see all female libertarians in the US in one place

:dead :dead :dead :dead

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 03, 2016, 01:48:39 AM

 Philosophy major lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Boogie on September 03, 2016, 07:36:05 AM

How's malek doing these days, anyway?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Rufus on September 03, 2016, 08:02:45 AM

He hopefully wifed that lady of his. :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 03, 2016, 01:43:52 PM

Ya hope he's doing well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Oblivion on September 03, 2016, 04:48:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbIGBCcfKZg&feature=youtu.be

Cable news segment of the year :bow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 03, 2016, 05:57:58 PM

lol @ the shot of the black reporter nodding his head at the beginning, waiting to roast that nicca
:neogaf

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Post by: doctavius bonbon on September 03, 2016, 06:47:32 PM

You'd think they sucked the air out of the room 4 minutes in.  Roast of the year.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2016, 06:54:49 PM

...

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Actually, just a few minutes ago, I said that this was off the record...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 03, 2016, 07:24:20 PM

Stop political correcting me ! :brazilcry

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Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2016, 08:37:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 03, 2016, 06:54:49 PM

...

...

Actually, just a few minutes ago, I said that this was off the record...

:neogaf

What a little bitch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 03, 2016, 09:23:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/McsiCQz.jpg?1)

Bold move, Cotton. We'll see if it works out for him.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 03, 2016, 10:50:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcgVKbQd_7c

skip to 40 seconds in.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2016, 08:45:46 AM

From back in April but an interesting piece about the steps that have been taken over the last decade to make the Presidential transition better: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/improving-the-presidential-transition-2016/477528/

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Walking through the offices in the West Wing on January 19, 1993, Bolten remembers it as something of a construction zone, as workers were making modifications requested by the incoming Clinton team. “It’s quite striking that there is nothing on the walls, nothing on the bookshelves, computers on the desks but the hard drives have been replaced,” Bolten told me in a recent phone interview. “The new White House team basically walks onto a blank playing field.”

By the time Bolten returned to the White House as a deputy chief of staff eight years later, the transition process wasn’t much different.

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There had been no particular advance in planning or infrastructure,” Bolten said. “The Clinton crew was courteous to us but had not undertaken any particularly strenuous effort to facilitate our effectiveness on Day 1. They just tried to turn it over in responsible condition for us to start our jobs.”

Less than eight months later, on September 11, Bolten was sitting in his office when his phone rang. The inside line. This wasn’t a call routed from his assistant, but from someone who knew the direct number, which, Bolten recalled, even he didn’t know at the time.

The man on the other end was Steve Ricchetti, who had sat at his desk at the end of the Clinton administration. “Do you know about the bunker?” Ricchetti asked.

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In 2008, Bush resolved to do things differently, recognizing that, as the president told Bolten in a private meeting about a year before he left office, this would be “the first modern presidential transition at a time when the United States itself was under threat.” Bush told Bolten to make transition-planning a priority and to ensure that not just the White House but the entire government got the message. Years later, it remains one of the few areas for which members of the Obama administration lavish unqualified praise for their predecessors.

“To the credit of the Bush White House, they could not have been better partners with us,” said Lu, who served as executive director of Obama’s transition team and is now deputy secretary of Labor. “The success of the transition planning,” he added, “was in large measure because of the cooperation we got from the Bush White House.”

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The main problem, according to Max Stier of the Partnership for Public Service, is that the Obama transition didn’t aim high enough, and it lost momentum after the first wave of appointees were put in place.

The transition had built a team of 300 volunteers to usher in around three dozen top officials. “After that first wave occurred, that group of people—poof!—disappeared,” Stier said. Obama, he said, should have set a goal of getting 100 people confirmed by the time he was inaugurated and 400 by the August recess, which is closer to what Mitt Romney’s team was shooting for had he won in 2012. Studies of the 2009 transition found there was an average of 50 days between the Senate confirmations for agency leaders and the next highest ranking official. “As a result, you end up with agencies where the secretary is home alone,” Stier said. “They don’t have the complete set of people they really need to run the agency effectively.”

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With help from the Partnership for Public Service, a D.C.-based nonprofit, officials in the administration and in Congress ramped up efforts to formalize the process—to take what worked in 2008 and make it the standard for future transitions. The Partnership had convened a conference north of New York City in 2008 that drew former administration officials, good-government advocates, and representatives of the major campaigns that year. In 2010, it released a report called Ready to Govern with a series of recommendations for transition-planning, including measures that made it into new federal legislation, the Pre-Election Presidential Transition Act of 2010. That law boosted funding for the transition and for the first time authorized the General Services Administration to provide office space to the major-party candidates (and, potentially, a serious third-party contender) to begin planning their governments months before the election. It also allowed the outgoing administration to set up the kind of transition councils that Bush established by executive order in 2008. Recognizing that transition-planning would still be underfunded, however, the law allows campaigns to raise outside money as well.

In 2012, Mitt Romney made use of the new resources—and then some. Running as a management guru and turnaround expert, Romney shook off any concern about appearing presumptuous and named Mike Leavitt, a former Utah governor and Cabinet secretary in the Bush administration, to lead his transition planning soon after he clinched the Republican nomination in the spring.

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By Election Day, the Romney transition—which had been dubbed the Readiness Project—had swelled to a staff of more than 600. As Leavitt put it: “We had built essentially a federal government in miniature.” The Romney team had set a goal of filling the 150 most important positions by Inauguration Day and a total of 400 by the August congressional recess—an ambitious schedule by historical standards but one that would still leave hundreds of posts vacant for the entirety of President Romney’s honeymoon. (There are more than 4,000 political appointees in the federal government.) By November, Romney, Leavitt, and the transition team had amassed enough material to fill an entire book on the Readiness Project and what-might-have-been, which they published in the spring.

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The Romney campaign performed what amounted to a dry run, and Congress has now passed two new laws codifying the responsibilities of the Obama administration to prepare the government for new leadership. In March, Obama signed legislation requiring the government to set up transition councils, identify agency leaders responsible for transition planning, and to make sure that career civil servants are ready to step in for the hundreds of political appointees who are expected to leave the government before the First Family does. Congress has also enacted legislation reducing the number of positions that require Senate confirmation, a step aimed at helping the new administration get to its feet faster.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2016, 12:18:38 PM

http://www.theonion.com/article/dirty-bearded-vince-foster-bursts-through-doors-cl-53744

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 04, 2016, 11:10:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/JSrnO8F.jpg)

"God made all this stuff for me to own by making amazing deals, the greatest deals of all time, so he's pretty good."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Shuri on September 04, 2016, 11:33:34 PM

I have a question about the voting process in America and some stuff i read on NeoGaf. I am from Canada, and for election, you have to be registered and show an piece of ID from a list of 3-4 when you vote.

Why is the Voter ID Law considered to be some sort of racially targeted tactic used by politicians? I read some posts there saying that law makers wanting to push for that law were doing it for obvious racist reasons against black people and other minorities.

As a Canadian, this is very confusing to me because

• I had no idea people could vote without showing ID in the United States. WTF. That's super weird and looks like it would lead to fraud?
• Why is it racist against black people in particular?  :doge

I understand that it's super complicated for undocumented immigrants since they would NORMALLY have no real legit papers and I doubt they could find a way to sneak into a voter list but are they such a voting force in the USA that it could change the tides of a presidential election? Is this is why it's an issue?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2016, 11:40:41 PM

1. From what I understand, lower income workers can't take the time off required to get a certified ID.

2. The US historically has same-day registration that these people can do, but those are forbidden by voter ID laws.

3. Voter ID laws restrict the type of "acceptable" IDs, like state school-issued IDs.

4. Even without restrictive voter ID laws, voter fraud is barely a statistical anomaly in the US election process. You're more likely to see a UFO (http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/voter-id-laws-charts-maps) or get struck by lightning (http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2014/08/voter-fraud-literally-less-likely-being-hit-lightning).

5. It is the Republicans that exclusively push for restrictive voter ID laws.

Here's what happened (https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/08/03/courts-are-finally-pointing-out-the-racism-behind-voter-id-laws/?utm_term=.a671a72354ef) when North Carolina implemented a recently-struck down voter ID law:

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In North Carolina, the legislature requested racial data on the use of electoral mechanisms, then restricted all those disproportionately used by blacks, such as early voting, same-day registration and out-of-precinct voting. Absentee ballots, disproportionately used by white voters, were exempted from the voter ID requirement. The legislative record actually justified the elimination of one of the two days of Sunday voting because “counties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”

(http://www.motherjones.com/files/images/adult-id-mojo.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: El Babua on September 04, 2016, 11:43:33 PM

Short story: They specifically and deliberately target forms of ID that certain groups of people would be less likely to have, and then shut down the places near them where they could obtain them.

Actual voter fraud has been less than insignificant, both statistically and in general, while voter ID laws have prevented a large number of people from voting who would otherwise have done so legitimately.

The voter ID process in Canada is a lot simpler since you can use a million forms of ID and the government sends you one for free IIRC.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: curly on September 04, 2016, 11:49:35 PM

Quote from: Shuri on September 04, 2016, 11:33:34 PM

Why is the Voter ID Law considered to be some sort of racially targeted tactic used by politicians?

Because it's a racially targeted tactic used by politicians.

Voter fraud is extremely rare, the laws would disproportionately affect voter turnout among minorities and the poor, they're proposed by Republicans who would benefit from less black people voting and designed the laws to have that effect http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-north-carolina-voter-id-law-20160902-story.html (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-north-carolina-voter-id-law-20160902-story.html)

Edit: pretty much what everyone else says

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2016, 11:52:12 PM

Also I don't think undocumented immigrants even vote, whether they want to or otherwise.

They do pay taxes though, usually. :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Tasty on September 05, 2016, 01:01:12 AM

Hillary Clinton told security not to eject two shirtless fanboys from a rally “as long as they don’t take anything else off,” then took a photo with them afterward. (http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/281241-clinton-jokes-shirtless-supporters-are-a-little)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjUh7gdUgAAHT8w.jpg)

Hillary's America :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 05, 2016, 02:02:33 AM

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I had no idea people could vote without showing ID in the United States. WTF.

I always found that peculiar too. Part of it is that, as far as I always understood, there's really no compulsory ID papers issued by public authorities to all the citizenry, which would make potential discrimination a non issue. Discussing or reading with Americans, it always came across to me that there was some deep resistance to even the concept of mandatory & comprehensive documentation in a public registry rooted in distrust for the (federal) state.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 05, 2016, 03:27:43 AM

I once listened to a guy go off on someone who had to pull his credit about how social security numbers were never meant to be a form of id, so yeah we don't like to be documented I guess :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2016, 11:49:52 AM

Ideally, voter registration would be mandatory [like Selective Service] and would include a free ID, but neither of those things are going to happen

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 05, 2016, 12:03:14 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 05, 2016, 02:02:33 AM

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I had no idea people could vote without showing ID in the United States. WTF.

I always found that peculiar too. Part of it is that, as far as I always understood, there's really no compulsory ID papers issued by public authorities to all the citizenry, which would make potential discrimination a non issue. Discussing or reading with Americans, it always came across to me that there was some deep resistance to even the concept of mandatory & comprehensive documentation in a public registry rooted in distrust for the (federal) state.

Funny story- the US Constitution provides no affirmative right to vote. The particulars of registration, administration, etc of elections are all left up to the states, so you have 50 different overworked, underfunded administrative plans for carrying out democracy. GOOD JON, FOUNDERS.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 05, 2016, 01:27:38 PM

The press, not afraid to ask Hillary the tough questions: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/09/05/clinton_takes_questions_from_press_how_was_your_labor_day_weekend_are_you_ready.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2016, 07:52:56 PM

Hillary kills again.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/09/05/longtime-conservative-icon-phyllis-schlafly-dies-at-92/

shecan'tkeepgettingawaywithit.gif

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 05, 2016, 08:08:09 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2016, 07:52:56 PM

Hillary kills again.

http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2016/09/05/longtime-conservative-icon-phyllis-schlafly-dies-at-92/

shecan'tkeepgettingawaywithit.gif

She was so disgusted at the idea of a woman becoming President of The United States that she died. That's dedication.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 05, 2016, 09:18:19 PM

(https://i.sli.mg/ckl1V8.jpg)

Probably fake but nothing surprises me about this election anymore.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 06, 2016, 12:36:32 AM

Maybe Trump could initiate a national ID by touting its benefits in deporting illegals. Compulsory voting just seems like a major revenue earner for the federal government and he does like to make money.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 06, 2016, 07:08:36 AM

Is Hillary dying of consumption?

What are Boreans going to do when Trump wins?

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/09/06/_politics-zone-injection/trump-vs-clinton-presidential-polls-election-2016/index.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Brehvolution on September 06, 2016, 09:04:05 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/opinion/hillary-clinton-gets-gored.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2016, 10:12:13 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 06, 2016, 12:36:32 AM

Maybe Trump could initiate a national ID by touting its benefits in deporting illegals. Compulsory voting just seems like a major revenue earner for the federal government and he does like to make money.

Maybe one day we'll have 99.9% voter turnout and be as free as North Korea.  :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/media/greta-van-susteren-leaving-fox-news/index.html

No reason given, but another blow to Fox News either way.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 06, 2016, 10:28:08 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2016, 10:26:42 AM

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/06/media/greta-van-susteren-leaving-fox-news/index.html

No reason given, but another blow to Fox News either way.

IIRC, she was an Ailes loyalist. Probably cause he never tried to fuck her, or maybe she was into it, who knows.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Brehvolution on September 06, 2016, 10:51:46 AM

She will join Trump News after he loses the election. A lot of fox 'talent' will also jump ship after the election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2016, 10:59:29 AM

Agreed. I'd expect Manafort to be involved too. The NYT story on his Russian ties noted he was involved with an oligarch who purchased television/network equipment from a Ukrainian channel. Trump doesn't have the cash to start his own network but I can definitely imagine him being financed by Russian interests.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 06, 2016, 04:55:23 PM

Who Said It, Mandark Or Trump edition.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CrsOEtgWgAA8YQ_.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2016, 05:17:33 PM

Saddam would do the gas, but he always blamed it on the dog.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 06, 2016, 05:24:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 06, 2016, 05:17:33 PM

Saddam would do the gas, but he always blamed it on the dog.

Shouldn't have made me laugh, but did

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2016, 11:21:06 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 06, 2016, 10:28:08 AM

IIRC, she was an Ailes loyalist. Probably cause he never tried to fuck her, or maybe she was into it, who knows.

She's a Scientologist.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2016, 09:30:26 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/06/usa-freedom-girls-sue-trump-campaign-for-stiffing-them.html?via=twitter_page

somewhat unfortunate wording :doge but lol @ Trump being a exposed as a cheap fuck yet again

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 07, 2016, 10:48:38 AM

There's a "Commander in Chief Forum" tonight on NBC/MSNBC hosted by Matt Lauer with Trump and Hillary. I haven't seen any press about this, but wouldn't this be essentially the first presidential debate?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2016, 10:50:54 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 07, 2016, 10:48:38 AM

There's a "Commander in Chief Forum" tonight on NBC/MSNBC hosted by Matt Lauer with Trump and Hillary. I haven't seen any press about this, but wouldn't this be essentially the first presidential debate?

Haven't heard of it but I assume it'll be like similar events in the past where the candidates are interviewed on stage separately, so no debate/iteration.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 07, 2016, 10:57:19 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2016, 10:50:54 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 07, 2016, 10:48:38 AM

There's a "Commander in Chief Forum" tonight on NBC/MSNBC hosted by Matt Lauer with Trump and Hillary. I haven't seen any press about this, but wouldn't this be essentially the first presidential debate?

Haven't heard of it but I assume it'll be like similar events in the past where the candidates are interviewed on stage separately, so no debate/iteration.

Ah, thanks. Missed the "back to back" part:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/msnbc-nbc-news-present-first-ever-commander-chief-forum-n638401

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2016, 02:12:41 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 07, 2016, 10:57:19 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 07, 2016, 10:50:54 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 07, 2016, 10:48:38 AM

There's a "Commander in Chief Forum" tonight on NBC/MSNBC hosted by Matt Lauer with Trump and Hillary. I haven't seen any press about this, but wouldn't this be essentially the first presidential debate?

Haven't heard of it but I assume it'll be like similar events in the past where the candidates are interviewed on stage separately, so no debate/iteration.

Ah, thanks. Missed the "back to back" part:

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/msnbc-nbc-news-present-first-ever-commander-chief-forum-n638401

Here's a sneak preview:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-plan-defeat-isis-30-days-elected/story?id=41905399

“We are going to convey my top generals and give them a simple instruction,” Trump told a crowd in Greenville, N.C., on Tuesday. “They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS. We have no choice.”

Genius! Why didn't Bush/Obama think of that?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 07, 2016, 02:31:31 PM

https://youtu.be/zRuZ_LimXxU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 07, 2016, 06:52:32 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2016, 02:12:41 PM

Here's a sneak preview:

Quote from: http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-plan-defeat-isis-30-days-elected/story?id=41905399

“We are going to convey my top generals and give them a simple instruction,” Trump told a crowd in Greenville, N.C., on Tuesday. “They will have 30 days to submit to the Oval Office a plan for soundly and quickly defeating ISIS. We have no choice.”

Genius! Why didn't Bush/Obama think of that?

Didn't he have a secret plan for that ? Maybe he wrote it on his tax form...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2016, 08:22:14 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Crs3fPyWcAAaxEe.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2016, 08:29:50 PM

True fact: https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/772794921979785216

https://twitter.com/ZaidJilani/status/772894159724240896

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 08, 2016, 09:28:03 AM

To be fair, it's not a mountain to climb or an Ayn rand book

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 12:23:32 PM

I bet most people don't know what Aleppo is just like they don't know the difference between Quds and Kurds.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 08, 2016, 12:31:54 PM

In Johnson's defense, he has been eating a lot of weed edibles and keeping busy by planning to dismantle our social safety net, so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 08, 2016, 12:52:36 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 12:23:32 PM

I bet most people don't know what Aleppo is just like they don't know the difference between Quds and Kurds.

Most people aren't running for president.
that's like me saying "I can't blaming a job candidate for not knowing how to utilitze Kafka for real time big data ingestion. When they're interviewing for a big data job."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 12:59:22 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on September 08, 2016, 12:52:36 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 12:23:32 PM

I bet most people don't know what Aleppo is just like they don't know the difference between Quds and Kurds.

Most people aren't running for president.
that's like me saying "I can't blaming a job candidate for not knowing how to utilitze Kafka for real time big data ingestion. When they're interviewing for a big data job."

I didn't say "I can't blame him," though. My point is that since most people don't know what Aleppo is, especially without some context, this won't affect his (tiny, pointless) campaign, just like the Quds/Kurds mixup didn't hurt Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2016, 01:42:59 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/09/us/politics/gary-johnson-aleppo.html

Quote

Correction: September 8, 2016
An earlier version of this article misidentified the de facto capital of the Islamic State. It is Raqqa, in northern Syria, not Aleppo.

Correction: September 8, 2016
Because of an editing error, an earlier version of the above correction misidentified the Syrian capital as Aleppo. It is Damascus.

Quote

“For those who believe this is a disqualifier, so be it,” he said.

https://twitter.com/Jamie_Weinstein/status/773867745658019840

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 01:57:49 PM

Your paper of record, ladies and gentlemen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2016, 02:01:07 PM

Is this the NYT's "road to Damascus" moment?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 02:12:07 PM

Great replies:

https://twitter.com/arappeport/status/773851058401603584

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 02:16:03 PM

Quote

A Nov. 26 article in the District edition of Local Living incorrectly said a Public Enemy song declared 9/11 a joke. The song refers to 911, the emergency phone number.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 02:22:12 PM

Thoughts?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294979-conservative-media-jumps-on-hillarys-earpiece

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1seYksgz3s

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/14039

[close]

(No AIA)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Brehvolution on September 08, 2016, 03:03:01 PM

Remember all the talk of how the media was in the bag for Obama before the election? I never saw it. You can definitely see that the media is in the bag for Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 08, 2016, 03:05:22 PM

it's a little infuriating how softball Laur was with Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Mandark on September 08, 2016, 03:06:40 PM

Quote from: that New Yorker piece

Johnson mentioned that the retirement age for Social Security benefits ought to be raised. When asked to what age it ought to be raised, he got defensive. “Look, I’m not getting elected king or dictator here. I’m looking to get elected President of the United States that has constitutional limits. . . . Seventy-two seems like a good starting point.”

Oh cool, 72 is also the life expectancy for black men in the US.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2016, 03:13:45 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 08, 2016, 03:06:40 PM

Quote from: that New Yorker piece

Johnson mentioned that the retirement age for Social Security benefits ought to be raised. When asked to what age it ought to be raised, he got defensive. “Look, I’m not getting elected king or dictator here. I’m looking to get elected President of the United States that has constitutional limits. . . . Seventy-two seems like a good starting point.”

Oh cool, 72 is also the life expectancy for black men in the US.

Something something take responsibility for your health and life expectancy free market something

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 08, 2016, 03:23:34 PM

Quote

Oh cool, 72 is also the life expectancy for black men in the US.

Oh, don't worry, it's only a starting point ! Average being 78 on your side of the pond, he'll probably get you all to work till death no matter your skin color come his second mandate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2016, 03:26:40 PM

Quote from: Mandark on September 08, 2016, 03:06:40 PM

Quote from: that New Yorker piece

Johnson mentioned that the retirement age for Social Security benefits ought to be raised. When asked to what age it ought to be raised, he got defensive. “Look, I’m not getting elected king or dictator here. I’m looking to get elected President of the United States that has constitutional limits. . . . Seventy-two seems like a good starting point.”

Oh cool, 72 is also the life expectancy for black men in the US.

"Oh, really? 73 then."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 03:27:23 PM

I remember 72 being the life expectancy for an American male in the early '90s. Progress!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Mandark on September 08, 2016, 03:35:11 PM

Remember when Bush was trying to privatize Social Security?

I read the argument from multiple people that the current system screws over black workers because they die earlier.  These people, as a general rule, never voluntarily brought up the gap in life expectancies (especially in the context of public policy) before or since.  Funny, that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 03:45:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 08, 2016, 03:05:22 PM

it's a little infuriating how softball Laur was with Trump

Yeah, I heard he didn't really press Trump at all and then devoted nearly a third of his time with Hillary to her emails. ::)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 03:52:43 PM

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/28/opinion/public-interests-while-you-were-sleeping.html

June 6 -- Boosting his friend George W. Bush to reporters, Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico recalls a conversation they had at a conference on state government. ''George turns to me and says, 'What are they talking about?' I said, 'I don't know.' He said, 'You don't know a thing, do you?' And I said, 'Not one thing.' He said, 'Neither do I.' And we kind of high-fived.''

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Tasty on September 08, 2016, 03:53:28 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 03:52:43 PM

Quote from: http://www.nytimes.com/2000/07/28/opinion/public-interests-while-you-were-sleeping.html

June 6 -- Boosting his friend George W. Bush to reporters, Gov. Gary Johnson of New Mexico recalls a conversation they had at a conference on state government. ''George turns to me and says, 'What are they talking about?' I said, 'I don't know.' He said, 'You don't know a thing, do you?' And I said, 'Not one thing.' He said, 'Neither do I.' And we kind of high-fived.''

:heh

This sounds like a deleted scene from Parks and Rec.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2016, 07:40:04 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 08, 2016, 02:22:12 PM

Thoughts?

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294979-conservative-media-jumps-on-hillarys-earpiece

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/14039

[close]

(No AIA)

(http://i.imgur.com/8Uws5WC.png)

I missed the "state.goy" the first time this was posted. Now we know why Kara's been too busy to post lately.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2016, 08:17:19 PM

Earpieceghazi

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2016, 09:43:35 PM

 :drudge Rumbler :drudge

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/another-group-that-loses-if-trump-wins-animals/2016/09/06/270eb888-7478-11e6-be4f-3f42f2e5a49e_story.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Momo on September 09, 2016, 01:02:18 AM

Hilary Clinton - "United States of America does not invade other countries to plunder and pillage"  :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 09, 2016, 06:09:28 AM

"The Trump campaign is claiming that he just accidentally did an interview on Kremlin-owned television."

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/774064019346862081

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Boogie on September 09, 2016, 06:32:41 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 09, 2016, 06:09:28 AM

"The Trump campaign is claiming that he just accidentally did an interview on Kremlin-owned television."

https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/774064019346862081

 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 08:37:07 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJjR9D6fqMU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2016, 10:19:01 AM

What is going on with Giuliani's face these days? It looks like it's molded out of Play-Doh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2016, 10:52:11 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/supreme-court-rejects-michigan-ban-on-straight-ticket-voting/2016/09/09/7ce6bff6-7533-11e6-be4f-3f42f2e5a49e_story.html

Quote

The justices declined to get involved in a political controversy that began when the state’s Republican leadership passed a bill to end 125 years of straight-ticket voting, which allows a voter to vote for all candidates of a desired party by taking a single action.

 :neogaf

Can you be any more blatant? Stay losing, Michigan.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 11:19:40 AM

The courts claims are odd since straight-ticket voting tends to increase spoiled ballots which makes the person have to vote again which doesn't "save time" and it only applies to a third of the ballot. In most of the eight straight-ticket states it benefits the GOP. I'm not sure it benefits the Democrats significantly in Michigan enough considering their natural advantage to claim discrimination.

(http://image.mlive.com/home/mlive-media/width620/img/news_impact/photo/21064276-mmmain.png)

Quote

About 59 percent of all Wayne County ballots used the straight-party option, and Democratic straight-ticket ballots outnumbered the GOP ballots almost 5 to 1.

The No. 2 county in straight-ticket balloting was Ottawa, a Republican stronghold where GOP straight-ticket ballots outnumbered the Democratic ballots 3 to 1. 

Among the  counties that provided data, the lowest percentage of straight-ticket ballots was in Dickinson County in the Upper Peninsula. But even there, 34 percent of ballots used the straight-ticket option.

Quote

The lawsuit to stop the implementation of straight-ticket voting was filed in May by the A. Philip Randolph Institute, a black labor organization labor, which argues the law disproportionately impacts African-Americans, who are more likely to vote a straight-party ticket.

But the results of the MLive survey show the straight-ticket option is popular far beyond urban minority communities.

Justin Roebuck is clerk of Ottawa County, where less than 2 percent of residents are African-American. In 2012, 57 percent of Ottawa County voters opted for the straight-ticket option.

The arguments in the legal case "made it sound like the big impact was in places like Detroit and Flint, but it impacts all of us," Roebuck said.

Whatever the merits of the legal arguments, Roebuck and many other election clerks are happy with the rulings so far that have blocked the implementation of the law this November.

"It would be a very big deal if we had no straight-ticket option" in a presidential election when the ballot is unusually long, Kalamazoo County Clerk Tim Snow said. "The timing is pretty bad."

They'll ban it again before this happens:

Quote

"We absolutely have to have no-reason absentee balloting," Snow said.

Gov. Rick Snyder agrees with the need for no-absentee balloting

Quote

"It should be noted, however, that the Governor also included a signing letter to legislators explaining that he felt this bill was just the first step and they needed to take action on secure, no-reason absentee voting," Adler said.

I still say the state should strip incumbency and party markers from the ballot. Especially the former. And that will be part of my 2020 VP platform.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 11:39:44 AM

OH NO THE AGENDA HAS BEEN EXPOSED
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_JjQv36Uxo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9kkENKPfNI

MORE TRUTH BOMBS IN SPOILERS:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keezR_bGgcw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOM8aHvzdCw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHfWQGENZ_A

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2016, 11:43:58 AM

Koch Brothers are in the pocket of Big Hillary, confirmed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 11:48:31 AM

"you are a bunch of social justice warrior snot noses" - alex jones on libertarians (11:12 in second video)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 11:56:42 AM

Quote

The House on Friday unanimously passed a bill that will allow 9/11 victims' families to sue Saudi Arabia for damages. The Senate also approved the bill unanimously in May. President Barack Obama has threatened to veto the legislation, setting up a potential veto override, which would be the first of Obama's presidency.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 12:14:38 PM

"this guy is a total kook, listen to this boob, this guy is a real kook, listen to this bubbling fruitcake" - alex jones on william weld :smug

"FREE ME FROM THESE PEOPLE"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Brehvolution on September 09, 2016, 03:13:34 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 11:56:42 AM

Quote

The House on Friday unanimously passed a bill that will allow 9/11 victims' families to sue Saudi Arabia for damages. The Senate also approved the bill unanimously in May. President Barack Obama has threatened to veto the legislation, setting up a potential veto override, which would be the first of Obama's presidency.

Eh, how are they going to enforce the payouts? Also, what makes it so Afghanistan or Iraq couldn't do the same to us? Why wasn't this done under Bush? It's been 15 years!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 09, 2016, 03:24:49 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/wikileaks-syria-russia-bank-email-missing

Wikileaks in 2012 published emails from Syrian government officials obtained by hackers, but the website did not include an email noting that the Syrian regime transferred more than $2 billion to a state-owned Russian bank, according to a Daily Dot report published on Friday.

Hmm...seems a bit suspicious, but could have just been an innocent mista-

Quote

"It is disappointing to see Daily Dot pushing the Hillary Clinton campaign’s neo-McCarthyist conspiracy theories about critical media.” (WikiLeaks threatened to retaliate against the reporters if they pursued the story: “Go right ahead,” they said, “but you can be sure we will return the favour one day.”)

Oh. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Steve Contra on September 09, 2016, 04:43:32 PM

It's been great watching two people as obsessed with image as Trump and Assange are become stooges for Putin.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2016, 11:12:37 PM

Quote

Remember Iran’s Role in 9/11
Forgetful officials should not be rewarding Tehran for its deadly actions with gifts like sanctions relief.
By JOSEPH I. LIEBERMAN
Sept. 7, 2016 7:21 p.m. ET

‘Never forget” is the commitment the American people made after Sept. 11, 2001. Yet sometimes our leaders seem to have forgotten Iran’s role in that worst terror attack on American soil, and Iran’s continuing assistance to terror organizations and operations around the world.

Quote

Dangers Rise as America Retreats
Fifteen years after 9/11, the next president will face greater risks and a weaker military to combat them.
By DICK CHENEY and  LIZ CHENEY
Sept. 9, 2016 6:45 p.m. ET

Fifteen years ago this Sunday, nearly 3,000 Americans were killed in the deadliest attack on the U.S. homeland in our history. A decade and a half later, we remain at war with Islamic terrorists. Winning this war will require an effort of greater scale and commitment than anything we have seen since World War II, calling on every element of our national power.

Defeating our enemies has been made significantly more difficult by the policies of Barack Obama. No American president has done more to weaken the U.S., hobble our defenses or aid our adversaries.

President Obama has been more dedicated to reducing America’s power than to defeating our enemies. He has enhanced the abilities, reach and finances of our adversaries, including the world’s leading state sponsor of terror, at the expense of our allies and our own national security. He has overseen a decline of our own military capabilities as our adversaries’ strength has grown.

:usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 09, 2016, 11:28:54 PM

I'm sorry, it's the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand and Sixteen and we have to take seriously the options of Dick Cheney and Joe Liberman? I don't think so, Tim. :bolo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Trent Dole on September 10, 2016, 12:37:43 AM

Yes, Dick, I remember the greatest attack on american soil that is a tleast partially attributable to the administration which you were part of's gross negligence and complete and utter incompetence. I remember how you dumbfucks oversaw an entire american city get destroyed too. But yeah, these past 8ish years of deficit reduction and job growth are far more horrible than anything you can claim a prt in and thus we'd better vote for your party in November. Right. :pacspit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 10, 2016, 01:50:55 AM

nah fuck it ill bite
as an observer the dealings with Iran have been shameful if you adhere to realism in international relations and care about how America project itself
as usual i will qualify that i am right-wing but cmon breh how you gonna cater to them like you have been
at the very least
the very least
at
the
very
least
the optics of the Iran transactions have been and are brutal

im not the biggest fan of invoking 9/11 though
i think they are shitty enough as it is to not need to use that trump (heh) card

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Mandark on September 10, 2016, 01:55:49 AM

Quote from: Syph on September 10, 2016, 01:50:55 AM

as an observer the dealings with Iran have been shameful if you adhere to realism in international relations and care about how America project itself

lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 10, 2016, 08:00:08 AM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/295273-trump-i-would-shoot-at-confrontational-iranian-ships

Truly a modern day Castlereagh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Boogie on September 10, 2016, 08:26:20 AM

Quote from: Mandark on September 10, 2016, 01:55:49 AM

Quote from: Syph on September 10, 2016, 01:50:55 AM

as an observer the dealings with Iran have been shameful if you adhere to realism in international relations and care about how America project itself

lol

haha ya wat

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2016, 11:30:46 AM

Quote from: Syph on September 10, 2016, 01:50:55 AM

the optics

Don't go down this road, Syph. Don't do it, breh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 10, 2016, 11:38:38 AM

Optics are irrelevant as applied to Realism I’d think, but how ‘bout dem optics:

U.N. nuclear agency says Iran sticking to nuclear deal (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKCN11E2CU)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Rufus on September 10, 2016, 11:58:40 AM

Didn't make them say sorry and pinky swear. Diplomacy invalid.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Tasty on September 10, 2016, 12:47:00 PM

We should have done the Iran Deal with North Korea back in the day, if we did then maybe we wouldn't have this mess.

http://www.vox.com/2016/9/9/12863700/north-korea-nuclear-test-five-bad

Quote

People hope that you’re going to be able to use sanctions to put political pressure on a government. But, hey, we’ve tried that with North Korea, and that’s not worked.

So what we’re left with is to negotiate. And that’s hard, because they’re unpleasant — an ugly, ugly, ugly government. Nobody wants to sit down to a state dinner with Kim Jong Un while people in North Korea are starving. But the reality is that there’s not any other way to get them to not build this stuff other than to persuade them not to.

And this is a huge problem: The North Koreans have always been super clear that they’re willing to trade away stuff that they haven’t done yet for promises of a better relationship, but they’re not willing to trade away stuff that they have done.

So 20 years ago, when we were talking with them about a missile deal — that was a great deal. They’d built hardly any of these things, so locking them in place — even though we couldn’t get rid of the last few missiles — would have been amazing.

But we were, like, total dicks about it. We were like, "No, no, it has to be everything." And they said, "Okay, we’ll build some more stuff."

Quote

ZB: Is this a little window into what we would have been seeing, in a few years, if there hadn’t been an Iran deal to cut off Iran’s nuclear pathway?

JL: Oh, God, yeah.

This is why I’m so frustrated with the people who are against the Iran deal. If we had bombed them, and they had gone the North Korea route, then in 10 years we’d be exactly where we are with North Korea. President Ivanka Trump would be issuing a statement about how she’s not going to accept a nuclear Iran and North Korea.

That’s ultimately our problem. We don’t have any tool other than negotiating with [rogue states]. And negotiating with them is hard because they’re ugly, and it requires admitting that our strategies for the past 15 years have been a total sinkhole.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2016, 01:24:28 PM

Isn't everything Iran is doing meaningless optics? They are adhering to the deal, doing what they said they'd do - which we all presumably agree is a good thing, and the important thing. If anything their boat antics and other things seem moreso like propaganda for their own people, a front that they are still defiant and sticking their fingers in the face of evil America. Why should the US over react to meaningless optics, and potentially imperil the actual progress that has been made. Just to "save face?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 10, 2016, 01:48:41 PM

Didn't they held prisoner british sailors a few years ago ? Don't remember the details. But yeah it's all chest thumping. No one really want to escalate over that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 10, 2016, 02:20:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 10, 2016, 01:24:28 PM

Isn't everything Iran is doing meaningless optics? They are adhering to the deal, doing what they said they'd do - which we all presumably agree is a good thing, and the important thing. If anything their boat antics and other things seem moreso like propaganda for their own people, a front that they are still defiant and sticking their fingers in the face of evil America. Why should the US over react to meaningless optics, and potentially imperil the actual progress that has been made. Just to "save face?"

Just like a lot of the push back from the GOP is just meaningless optics and propaganda for their own voters as well.  Give it a few years and it will turn into a 70's-90's china type situation where both sides take pot shots at each other for public consumption while lessening sanction and increasing economic ties. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2016, 08:34:19 PM

Dude, how high af is Gary Johnson right now?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/gary-johnson-syria?utm_term=.gxqoWeXze#.yjQywVY4V

Weld is just like :goty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Brehvolution on September 10, 2016, 10:00:18 PM

Watching the deplorable seethe. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 02:32:27 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2016, 08:34:19 PM

Dude, how high af is Gary Johnson right now?

https://www.buzzfeed.com/davidmack/gary-johnson-syria?utm_term=.gxqoWeXze#.yjQywVY4V

Weld is just like :goty

I'll actually defend this one despite all my usual disclaimers regarding The Party and so on. This is how Gary actually is answering a lot of stuff, even like about pot and stuff that he knows backwards and forwards. He doesn't do talking points or anything like it really but he's not as good of thinker on his feet as he thinks he is. But nobody has ever paid attention to him before he started polling at 10% and now that he has the "Aleppo and Aleppo! What is Aleppo!" moment. CNN never did all these "town halls" for the LP let alone the Green Party before.

And he looks really bad when he's next to Weld who's a goddamn Jedi Master. (Romney was right, flip the ticket, except the LP wouldn't accept it.)

Weld actually does that smirking a lot whenever anyone is talking, it's funny. In the one town hall as soon as he heard the start of a question he was just  :smug and zoned out while the questioner went on for like two minutes because he already knew what he was going to say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiGbMmqrYrY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 02:36:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pW-0KiFve_k

~4:40 lol at Gary lost and pleased by Weld just knowing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 03:00:17 AM

one of the deplorables :american
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbPfNUTeelk



(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr9xwvJUMAEmG9s.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 11, 2016, 05:08:50 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 10, 2016, 11:30:46 AM

Quote from: Syph on September 10, 2016, 01:50:55 AM

the optics

Don't go down this road, Syph. Don't do it, breh.

ok i laughed at that choice quote lol


also hillary comments are hilarious because it's a romney 47% moment but it wont stick
the clinton armor is impenetrable
i dont think her underlying numbers change much
the swing in polls is basically are you including 3rd party and/or is trump hot or not
i honestly think if trump could stick to a literal script for a month he would win
but as he has proven time and time again he can't do that and hence we have the current situation of the guessing game
clinton will probs win in the end though but i don't think it will be a landslide
such a weird election when both candidates are this disliked lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 11, 2016, 10:20:15 AM

Apparently Hillary fainted at a 9/11 ceremony this morning.

Meme magic is apparently real.

Edit: Whether people like it or not, her health is absolutely going to be the key focus of the campaign moving forward.  She won't be able to open up another jar of pickles and hope this goes away.

Edit2: http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Hillary-Clinton/Hillary-Clinton-reportedly-faints-at-New-York-911-ceremony-467455

Edit3: CNN reporting on it now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 11:01:52 AM

Tim Kaine 2016

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 11:28:58 AM

Well, if you can't take the heat.......

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2016, 11:54:47 AM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 10:20:15 AM

Apparently Hillary fainted at a 9/11 ceremony this morning.

Meme magic is apparently real.

Edit: Whether people like it or not, her health is absolutely going to be the key focus of the campaign moving forward.  She won't be able to open up another jar of pickles and hope this goes away.

Edit2: http://www.jpost.com/US-Elections/Hillary-Clinton/Hillary-Clinton-reportedly-faints-at-New-York-911-ceremony-467455

Edit3: CNN reporting on it now.

Can't wait to see the picture on drudge report showing the invisible wires holding her up during the debates. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 11:57:55 AM

Video of Hillary fainting.

https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200/video/1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 11, 2016, 11:59:54 AM

That looks less like fainting and more like low batteries. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 11, 2016, 12:01:27 PM

Quote from: Dufus on September 11, 2016, 11:44:57 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 11:01:52 AM

Tim Kaine 2016

srsly

I don't think Hillary is going to die or anything and her health is probably be fine but so what? Worst case scenario, Kaine will be president. How is this bad news? Why is Trump and his basket making such a big deal out of it?

pathetic

:comeon
Reagan possibly going senile during his second term is a heated contention for a reason. Worst cases are not dying into office, but being gravely mentally incapacited before the election or impaired to exercice the function properly.

Feeling dizzy and a cough in itself might just be two meaningless episodes but regardless of their gravity or lack thereof, the Trump campaign will milk it hard and it could sway some voters : no one want to put into office a liability.

EDIT: And yeah it all hinges on a looney tunes level understanding of health anyway, but you know, we voters dumb dumb. Some are sold on the narrative she's secretly impaired, this will add to it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 12:01:36 PM

Weekend at Hillary's.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 12:19:59 PM

(http://media.dcentertainment.com/sites/default/files/imce/2015/08-AUG/MAD-Magazine-Weakened-by-Bernie_55cb7b561295c6.04164823.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 12:20:34 PM

Should have voted for Bernie when you had the chance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 11, 2016, 12:24:42 PM

Another issue is one of honesty. Candidates are expected to be open about their health (they rarely are though...).

Kinda ridiculous because IIRC Trump never did publicize his taxes but heh what can you do...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 11, 2016, 12:25:07 PM

Quote from: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 11:57:55 AM

Video of Hillary fainting.

https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200/video/1

 :-\

No spinning that one

Here's an even worse one.  I don't like the source but the video doesn't lie: https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/775000466304315393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2016, 12:30:05 PM

Oy vey.  If this becomes swiftboat i swear to god

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 11, 2016, 12:32:34 PM

Welp, time to spend the next few months reinforcing the bunker.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 11, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

This is pretty much the end of the election unless someone like Biden or Kaine takes over.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 12:44:36 PM

Dehydrate in 80 degree weather, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

This is pretty much the end of the election unless someone like Biden or Kaine takes over.

Oh ffs no it's not  :lol

For someone as smart as you are, the amount of concern trolling you've done is ridiculous.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: headwalk on September 11, 2016, 01:22:54 PM

i'm going to make a hilary clinton push puppet, put it up on etsy, tweet it to trump and look for a mansion to put a bid in for.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 11, 2016, 01:42:42 PM

(Liberal) military twitter has been talking about how often super fit 20 year old guys faint from dehydration. She should have drank water.

It is so common you wait for it long change of command ceremonies:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9NOt6d4XR8

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 11, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

This is pretty much the end of the election unless someone like Biden or Kaine takes over.

Oh ffs no it's not  :lol

For someone as smart as you are, the amount of concern trolling you've done is ridiculous.

The ability to get an engineering degree does not make one smart.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 11, 2016, 03:04:56 PM

Dick Cheney's been on death's door for decades, with his Stark Industry's bionic heart, but yet he's still he's still alive to annoy everyone with his occasional Op-Eds.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 03:13:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 11, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

This is pretty much the end of the election unless someone like Biden or Kaine takes over.

Oh ffs no it's not  :lol

For someone as smart as you are, the amount of concern trolling you've done is ridiculous.

The ability to get an engineering degree does not make one smart.

He also has a master's degree. Maybe he's right.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 03:40:12 PM

Now would be a decent time for Gary to go climb a mountain or two and bike through the Rockies on camera  :teehee

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Weld can take over the interviews while he's doing that.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 11, 2016, 03:53:25 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 12:25:07 PM

Quote from: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 11:57:55 AM

Video of Hillary fainting.

https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200/video/1

 :-\

No spinning that one

Here's an even worse one.  I don't like the source but the video doesn't lie: https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/775000466304315393?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Is it bad that I want to loop that and set the background music to mambo no. 5 so it looks like she's just getting down a white grandma?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 11, 2016, 04:05:36 PM

hillary probably got overheated thinking about the american lives she cost on this day a few years ago

spoiler (click to show/hide)

BENGHAZI

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hillarys overheating cant melt steel beams


ok thats all i got

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 04:30:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 03:13:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 11, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

This is pretty much the end of the election unless someone like Biden or Kaine takes over.

Oh ffs no it's not  :lol

For someone as smart as you are, the amount of concern trolling you've done is ridiculous.

The ability to get an engineering degree does not make one smart.

He also has a master's degree. Maybe he's right.

In political science? Plus, his history of shitposting in this thread says otherwise. He's rarely right.

Then again, look who I'm talking to about rarely being right in a political thread...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 11, 2016, 04:38:32 PM

Now now children

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Dennis on September 11, 2016, 06:23:29 PM

Apparently Hillary has pneumonia.

Or so they want you to believe  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 06:33:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 04:30:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 03:13:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 11, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

This is pretty much the end of the election unless someone like Biden or Kaine takes over.

Oh ffs no it's not  :lol

For someone as smart as you are, the amount of concern trolling you've done is ridiculous.

The ability to get an engineering degree does not make one smart.

He also has a master's degree. Maybe he's right.

In political science? Plus, his history of shitposting in this thread says otherwise. He's rarely right.

Then again, look who I'm talking to about rarely being right in a political thread...

I'm legit rustled you fell for this
 :beli

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Boogie on September 11, 2016, 09:09:36 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 06:33:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 04:30:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 11, 2016, 03:13:46 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 11, 2016, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: Mary Tyler Whore on September 11, 2016, 12:38:11 PM

This is pretty much the end of the election unless someone like Biden or Kaine takes over.

Oh ffs no it's not  :lol

For someone as smart as you are, the amount of concern trolling you've done is ridiculous.

The ability to get an engineering degree does not make one smart.

He also has a master's degree. Maybe he's right.

In political science? Plus, his history of shitposting in this thread says otherwise. He's rarely right.

Then again, look who I'm talking to about rarely being right in a political thread...

I'm legit rustled you fell for this
 :beli

Seriously.  What is this, 2010?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 09:33:14 PM

In my defense, I had been daydrinking and was in yell at everything mode

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Boogie on September 11, 2016, 09:49:12 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 09:33:14 PM

In my defense, I had been daydrinking and was in yell at everything mode

But when are you not in yell at everything mode?  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 09:56:44 PM

Quote from: Boogie on September 11, 2016, 09:49:12 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on September 11, 2016, 09:33:14 PM

In my defense, I had been daydrinking and was in yell at everything mode

But when are you not in yell at everything mode?  :lol

Sometimes I'm too tired to yell

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 11:32:49 PM

http://shareblue.com/hillary-clintons-feat-of-strength-obliterates-months-of-health-conspiracies/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: brawndolicious on September 12, 2016, 12:02:27 AM

I once went through finals week with a lung infection. Sucked worse than Ms. Lewinsky.

But I didn't faint.  :flabbypd

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:success

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: bluemax on September 12, 2016, 01:10:25 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 11:32:49 PM

http://shareblue.com/hillary-clintons-feat-of-strength-obliterates-months-of-health-conspiracies/

Who was more courageous this week, Apple or Hillary?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 12, 2016, 01:50:11 AM

Quote from: bluemax on September 12, 2016, 01:10:25 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 11:32:49 PM

http://shareblue.com/hillary-clintons-feat-of-strength-obliterates-months-of-health-conspiracies/

Who was more courageous this week, Apple or Hillary?

Caitlyn Jenner

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 12, 2016, 01:58:38 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 11, 2016, 11:32:49 PM

http://shareblue.com/hillary-clintons-feat-of-strength-obliterates-months-of-health-conspiracies/

R.I.P. Political Journalism (1440-2016)
The unrelentingly hostile coverage of Hillary Clinton has dealt a potentially fatal blow to the corporate media's credibility.

http://shareblue.com/r-i-p-political-journalism/

H. A. Goodman ‏@HAGOODMANAUTHOR
Hillary Clinton was kind enough to hug a little child EVEN THOUGH SHE HAS PNEUMONIA! Wow, what a great person. Very human. Loves hot sauce

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2016, 02:48:51 AM

Quote from: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/09/12/coming-apart-george-packer

For all the talk of national unity and a new sense of purpose, the terror attacks did nothing to bring together the country. America after September 11th was like a couch potato who survives a heart attack, vows to start a strict regimen of diet and exercise, and after a few weeks still finds himself camped out in the living room.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 12, 2016, 12:25:04 PM

EVERYBODY PANIC

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-floats-that-dems-are-nervously-whispering-about-clinton-stepping-aside/

Quote

This morning on NPR’s Morning Edition, journalist and author Cokie Roberts indicated that many of the establishment Democrats may be getting antsy over the renewed speculation of Hillary Clinton‘s health.

Roberts’ comments come just a day after the former Secretary of State was forced to leave a 9/11 remembrance ceremony early due to an illness, amid reports from her campaign that she was diagnosed with pneumonia on Friday.
 
“It’s taking her off of the campaign trail,” said Roberts Monday morning, indicating that the pneumonia has forced Clinton to cancel her upcoming trip to California. But as for members of the Democratic party, “It has them very nervously beginning to whisper about her stepping aside and finding another candidate.”

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/150264994381/the-race-for-president-is-probably-over

Quote

If humans were rational creatures, the time and place of Clinton’s “overheating” wouldn’t matter at all. But when it comes to American psychology, there is no more powerful symbol of terrorism and fear than 9-11 . When a would-be Commander-in-Chief withers – literally – in front of our most emotional reminder of an attack on the homeland, we feel unsafe. And safety is our first priority.

Hillary Clinton just became unelectable.

The mainstream media might not interpret today’s events as a big deal. After all, it was only a little episode of overheating. And they will continue covering the play-by-play action until election day. But unless Trump actually does shoot someone on 5th Avenue, he’s running unopposed.

http://theweek.com/articles/648141/why-did-hillary-clinton-lie-about-health

Quote

Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign just made a massive error. We'll know within the next few weeks if the error will prove to be catastrophic.

Quote

But if she doesn't recover quickly? If she appears weak and frail for more than a few days? Then, yes, she'll face perfectly reasonable questions about whether she's physically up to serving as president. But worse, she'll confront lingering doubts about what, precisely, is ailing her. "It's pneumonia," the campaign will proclaim over and over again. To which a skeptical America will justifiably reply, "Yes, we can tell that you'd like us to think so. But we have no reason to trust that's true."

Political trust is a fragile thing. Once it's gone, it's exceedingly difficult to get back — and without it, there's no basis on which to dismiss conspiracy theories that even normally level-headed observers will begin, for perfectly understandable reasons, to entertain.

Like so many of the scandals and pseudo-scandals that have dogged Hillary Clinton and her husband through the years, this one needs to be recognized as entirely self-inflicted. The campaign now has to live with the consequences of having chosen to lie to get out of a problem.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/11/media/hillary-clinton-health-protective-pool/

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Hillary Clinton's stumble highlights campaign transparency problems

For the reporters who cover her, there was also frustration.

With less than sixty days until the election, neither Clinton nor Donald Trump has allowed for what's known as a "protective pool," a rotating group of reporters that travel with a candidate in order to provide a minute-to-minute account of their activities.

Without a protective pool, Clinton was able to leave the memorial site without reporters, travel to her daughter Chelsea Clinton's apartment without reporters, and leave New York City for her home in Chappaqua, New York, without reporters. That left Clinton's press pool scrambling to follow her around Manhattan and up to Chappaqua, always a step behind.

"Sunday's events at the Sept. 11 memorial show the importance of having a group of reporters on standby, and close at hand, to cover the potential next president of the United States," Anne Gearan, the Washington Post political reporter and current chair of the Clinton press pool, told CNNMoney.

"It also shows what happens when the Clinton campaign fails to treat those reporters as a true protective pool, which would travel in the same Secret Service protected-motorcade to every place the candidate goes," Gearan said. "The pool was left behind when she abruptly left the memorial, and was not kept apprised of what was happening in real time."

Gearan said the pool did not believe that Trump's lack of a protective pool "should have bearing on Clinton."

Still, the lack of a protective pool for either candidate highlights the degree to which both Clinton and Trump have been able to keep reporters at bay and exercise greater control over media access than previous nominees. Indeed, Trump did not even announce in advance that he would attend the memorial.

It is rare for presidential candidates to get to September of an election year without a protective pool. In 2008, then-Sen. Barack Obama agreed to a protective pool in June, just weeks after he had secured the Democratic nomination. His opponent, Sen. John McCain, waited until the end of July.

In 2012, Mitt Romney waited until August, earning criticism from political reporters and the Obama campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Brehvolution on September 12, 2016, 01:06:37 PM

Lol that dilbert dude has been all in for trump since the beginning. He was even on Bill Maher's show a while back talking about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 12, 2016, 01:13:03 PM

Also why the fuck should we listen to cokie roberts

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: VomKriege on September 12, 2016, 01:13:44 PM

Scott Adams is bordeline crackpot

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Note: I endorsed Hillary Clinton for president – for my personal safety – because I live in California and it isn’t safe to be seen as a Trump supporter here.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2016, 01:18:48 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 12, 2016, 01:06:37 PM

Lol that dilbert dude has been all in for trump since the beginning. He was even on Bill Maher's show a while back talking about it.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=39503.msg2135549#msg2135549

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2016, 04:00:17 PM

Quote from: Dufus on September 12, 2016, 02:59:24 PM

That Dilbert guy really loves to talk about how smart he is and how he's got it all figured out :doge

Personally, I find his demeaning attitude towards job creators to be toxic and gross.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 12, 2016, 04:45:20 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 12, 2016, 01:13:44 PM

Scott Adams is bordeline crackpot

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Note: I endorsed Hillary Clinton for president – for my personal safety – because I live in California and it isn’t safe to be seen as a Trump supporter here.

Ah, so he's stupid AND a coward. I see.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

been interesting comparing and contrasting how you lot go about your elections with us in england. here, to the average bod, every choice is poisoned chalice and it's approached with all the joy of picking a holey umbrella to keep the rain of shit off you.

but you fellas pick a side, slam your foot on the accelerator and go for broke. glib disenfranchisement is exchanged for partisan evangelism and any sense of self awareness goes up in smoke.

is that the american can do attitude in action? if i spaz out on the internet enough maybe i can make a difference come polling day?

i can appreciate that the prospect of prez trump is a wholly horrific one, but manic wagon circling around his opponent doesn't seem like confidence to anyone on the outside. more a cult like desire to exorcise any doubts that you might harbour. vocalised thought cleansing.

all that said, it's been great banter. shame this place is as close to a neutral venue to enjoy the circus that i can find.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: brawndolicious on September 12, 2016, 07:16:11 PM

I never understood how British people always criticized other countries for having a cult of personality around leaders and yet they always love the royal family more than their PMs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Yeti on September 12, 2016, 07:23:48 PM

lol, brexit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Steve Contra on September 12, 2016, 07:28:55 PM

Quote from: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

but you fellas pick a side, slam your foot on the accelerator and go for broke. glib disenfranchisement is exchanged for partisan evangelism and any sense of self awareness goes up in smoke.

You guys just voted to leave the EU because of immigrants :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 07:29:55 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 12, 2016, 07:16:11 PM

I never understood how British people always criticized other countries for having a cult of personality around leaders and yet they always love the royal family more than their PMs.

i advise every country to pour all and any patriotic affection into a long since castrated tourist trap with zero say in how the country is run on any practical level.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2016, 07:32:23 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on September 12, 2016, 07:28:55 PM

Quote from: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

but you fellas pick a side, slam your foot on the accelerator and go for broke. glib disenfranchisement is exchanged for partisan evangelism and any sense of self awareness goes up in smoke.

You guys just voted to leave the EU because of immigrants :doge

Remember when they laughed at us over W Bush. Look at em now.
(http://i.imgur.com/gXI5DmG.gif)

Black president, gay marriage, Trump bout to get sonned, soon to be first female president, economy looking solid. If not for police killing black people and shitty superhero films we'd get an A+.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 07:40:28 PM

bit rich having a go at the bloke in the pyongyang thread. at least he got a plastic bag full of pirate DVDs out of it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Rufus on September 12, 2016, 08:11:21 PM

Quote from: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

i can appreciate that the prospect of prez trump is a wholly horrific one, but manic wagon circling around his opponent doesn't seem like confidence to anyone on the outside. more a cult like desire to exorcise any doubts that you might harbour. vocalised thought cleansing.

I think the prospect of President Trump directly correlates to any nakedly desperate support for Hillary you see. At least in older people. The younger generations are just approaching it the way they've learned to on the internet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: Syph on September 12, 2016, 10:25:09 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2016, 07:32:23 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on September 12, 2016, 07:28:55 PM

Quote from: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

but you fellas pick a side, slam your foot on the accelerator and go for broke. glib disenfranchisement is exchanged for partisan evangelism and any sense of self awareness goes up in smoke.

You guys just voted to leave the EU because of immigrants :doge

Remember when they laughed at us over W Bush. Look at em now.
(http://i.imgur.com/gXI5DmG.gif)

Black president, gay marriage, Trump bout to get sonned, soon to be first female president, economy looking solid. If not for police killing black people and shitty superhero films we'd get an A+.  :doge

i read this as "soon to be female president" and got real confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: chronovore on September 12, 2016, 10:26:03 PM

Quote from: Dufus on September 12, 2016, 02:59:24 PM

Any Libertarian really loves to talk about how smart he is and how he's got it all figured out :doge

FTFY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: chronovore on September 12, 2016, 10:29:32 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2016, 07:32:23 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on September 12, 2016, 07:28:55 PM

Quote from: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

but you fellas pick a side, slam your foot on the accelerator and go for broke. glib disenfranchisement is exchanged for partisan evangelism and any sense of self awareness goes up in smoke.

You guys just voted to leave the EU because of immigrants :doge

Remember when they laughed at us over W Bush. Look at em now.
(http://i.imgur.com/gXI5DmG.gif)

Black president, gay marriage, Trump bout to get sonned, soon to be first female president, economy looking solid. If not for police killing black people and shitty superhero films we'd get an A+.  :doge

I'd include our continued fucked up foreign policy in central and south america, and our more recent and continuing idiocy in the middle east on that list. Hell, I'd put it before the shitty superhero films.

Can we send Zack Snyder to North Korea?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 12, 2016, 10:51:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 12, 2016, 07:32:23 PM

If not for police killing black people and shitty superhero films we'd get an A+.  :doge

Umm please qualify this because clearly there are those that deserve everything coming to them and then are the good ones like Marvel's. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Donald Trump's Mexcellent Adventure
Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 09:48:40 AM

Quote from: headwalk on September 12, 2016, 06:41:31 PM

all that said, it's been great banter. shame this place is as close to a neutral venue to enjoy the circus that i can find.

we made it :heart

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Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 11:53:44 AM

This has become my new favorite site: http://shareblue.com/odonnell-delivers-the-most-epic-rant-on-news-media-of-2016/

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Now, Lawrence O’Donnell channels the outrage of people across America, with a righteous rant that lays out the case against the corporate political media.

O’Donnell isn’t alone. CNN’s Christiane Amanpour has her own version:

The 2016 campaign is in its closing weeks, and the corporate media are redoubling their efforts to tip the scales in Trump’s favor. It is encouraging to see that some journalists refuse to go along.

Attack corporate media for pro-Trump bias, post a video each from CNN and MSNBC as support for argument. :doge

My favorite part is how they quote their own tweets in articles (http://shareblue.com/anderson-cooper-conducts-strangely-angry-interview-with-a-recovering-hillary-clinton/):

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Melissa McEwan @Shakestweetz
When @andersoncooper asked abt "transparency" re disclosing pneumonia, @HillaryClinton's epic eyeroll was powered by our collective disdain.
9:28 PM - 12 Sep 2016

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Peter Daou @peterdaou
Wow. @andersoncooper makes his bones as a reporter by aggressively grilling a woman with pneumonia about her cough. Unreal.
9:09 PM - 12 Sep 2016

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Post by: tiesto on September 13, 2016, 12:51:24 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 11:53:44 AM

This has become my new favorite site: http://shareblue.com/odonnell-delivers-the-most-epic-rant-on-news-media-of-2016/

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Now, Lawrence O’Donnell channels the outrage of people across America, with a righteous rant that lays out the case against the corporate political media.

O’Donnell isn’t alone. CNN’s Christiane Amanpour has her own version:

The 2016 campaign is in its closing weeks, and the corporate media are redoubling their efforts to tip the scales in Trump’s favor. It is encouraging to see that some journalists refuse to go along.

Attack corporate media for pro-Trump bias, post a video each from CNN and MSNBC as support for argument. :doge

My favorite part is how they quote their own tweets in articles (http://shareblue.com/anderson-cooper-conducts-strangely-angry-interview-with-a-recovering-hillary-clinton/):

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Melissa McEwan @Shakestweetz
When @andersoncooper asked abt "transparency" re disclosing pneumonia, @HillaryClinton's epic eyeroll was powered by our collective disdain.
9:28 PM - 12 Sep 2016

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Peter Daou @peterdaou
Wow. @andersoncooper makes his bones as a reporter by aggressively grilling a woman with pneumonia about her cough. Unreal.
9:09 PM - 12 Sep 2016

Today I learned that Peter Daou the political blogger/advisor is the same Peter Daou that was a fairly famous 90's house music producer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0byaC0F-i8

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Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 03:11:58 PM

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51QUxznQWVL.jpg)

"I believe this book could change the course of political history." - Michael Savage on his humble expectations

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Post by: Syph on September 13, 2016, 03:39:48 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 11:53:44 AM

This has become my new favorite site: http://shareblue.com/odonnell-delivers-the-most-epic-rant-on-news-media-of-2016/

Quote

Now, Lawrence O’Donnell channels the outrage of people across America, with a righteous rant that lays out the case against the corporate political media.

O’Donnell isn’t alone. CNN’s Christiane Amanpour has her own version:

The 2016 campaign is in its closing weeks, and the corporate media are redoubling their efforts to tip the scales in Trump’s favor. It is encouraging to see that some journalists refuse to go along.

Attack corporate media for pro-Trump bias, post a video each from CNN and MSNBC as support for argument. :doge

My favorite part is how they quote their own tweets in articles (http://shareblue.com/anderson-cooper-conducts-strangely-angry-interview-with-a-recovering-hillary-clinton/):

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Melissa McEwan @Shakestweetz
When @andersoncooper asked abt "transparency" re disclosing pneumonia, @HillaryClinton's epic eyeroll was powered by our collective disdain.
9:28 PM - 12 Sep 2016

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Peter Daou @peterdaou
Wow. @andersoncooper makes his bones as a reporter by aggressively grilling a woman with pneumonia about her cough. Unreal.
9:09 PM - 12 Sep 2016

anything said to a woman that i perceive as negative is sexist!!11!1!

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Post by: Mupepe on September 13, 2016, 03:48:01 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 03:11:58 PM

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51QUxznQWVL.jpg)

"I believe this book could change the course of political history." - Michael Savage on his humble expectations

God, I can't wait to read this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Register for the Hillary Clinton Death Pool
Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 08:03:45 PM

I hope these traitors get their wish: (http://"http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/295222-liberal-groups-frustrate-democrats-with-gop-endorsements")

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Two major liberal outside groups have endorsed Republicans in Senate races, frustrating Democrats who see the majority as within their grasp.

The Human Rights Campaign (HRC), which advocates for LGBT rights, and Americans for Responsible Solutions (ARS), which supports stronger gun control laws, are typically aligned with the Democratic Party.

But they crossed party lines this year to reward vulnerable Republican senators who have fought for their issues. Both groups endorsed Sen. Mark Kirk (Ill.), and ARS additionally backed Sen. Pat Toomey (Pa.).

Liberal critics of those endorsements question why the groups would help any Republican senators, given that the GOP majority has been opposed to their policy goals.

“The first votes that Mark Kirk or Pat Toomey would cast if they’re reelected would be to make [Sen.] Mitch McConnell [R-Ky.] majority leader of the Senate once again,” said David Nir, the political director for the liberal Daily Kos blog.

“Parties govern, not individuals, so endorsing a Republican senator is the same as endorsing Republican control of the entire Senate — and if groups like these don’t understand that, they’re committing political malpractice.”

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The HRC jumped first  in March by endorsing Kirk. In response to pushback from liberals, group President Chad Griffin wrote in an op-ed, “We simply cannot ask members of Congress to vote with us, and then turn around and try to kick them out of office.”

ARS came to Toomey’s defense last month, despite him touting his A rating from the National Rifle Association on the trail this year. His opponent, Democrat Katie McGinty, is a vocal supporter of stronger gun control.

The group also endorsed Kirk, and both he and his Democratic challenger, Rep. Tammy Duckworth, have made gun control a central issue for their campaigns.

In a statement to The Hill, ARS spokesman Mark Prentice praised McGinty as “a passionate and strong voice for gun violence prevention.” But he stressed that the group needs to support Republicans who go against the grain.

“Our country needs more Republican elected officials to stand with the vocal majority of Americans who support steps that help keep guns out of the wrong hands and prevent gun tragedies,” he said.

“In the wake of the tragedy at Sandy Hook School, Senator Toomey stood up to the gun lobby and stood up to many in his own party. While he has not backed every proposal we have supported, as advocates for gun safety laws and safer communities, we’re grateful for Senator Toomey’s leadership.”

An ARS source added that the long-term path toward enacting tougher gun safety laws has to go through both parties in order to overcome a filibuster, so groups have to be open to backing likeminded Republicans.

It'll teach them not to sacrifice the cause to their petty interests.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Register for the Hillary Clinton Death Pool
Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 09:36:26 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PEpajK2.jpg)

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 13, 2016, 09:47:58 PM

Could you just stop

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2016, 09:54:01 PM

He'll stop when Hilary stops her unamerican murder spree.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2016, 09:56:06 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 13, 2016, 09:54:01 PM

He'll stop when Hilary stops her unamerican murder spree.

How dare you, there's nothing more American than a murder spree.

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Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2016, 10:14:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 09:36:26 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PEpajK2.jpg)

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-u0WMZtiqwJs/U90nf0bQRVI/AAAAAAAABK0/zTYquUQsA4A/s1600/tumblr_m5d2jthbTB1r8gsqgo2_250.gif)

*closes the door on #bernieorbust-ers*

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Post by: Trent Dole on September 13, 2016, 10:18:46 PM

Hillary serves corporate interests so clearly we should all ...eliminate the middleman by voting for her opponent who IS the corporate interest ???

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 13, 2016, 10:20:54 PM

No we should rage against the system by posting really silly pictures to spread the rage among internet friends.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 10:42:31 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on September 13, 2016, 10:18:46 PM

Hillary serves corporate interests so clearly we should all ...eliminate the middleman by voting for her opponent who IS the corporate interest ???

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bring-back-bernie-sanders-clinton-might-actually-lose_us_57d66670e4b0273330ac45d0

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Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2016, 12:25:58 AM

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The Clinton campaign’s effort to blur the lines between Clinton’s private email server and Powell’s AOL account left Powell deeply frustrated.

“They are going to dick up the legitimate and necessary use of emails with friggin record rules. I saw email more like a telephone than a cable machine,” Powell wrote last year to his business partner Jeffrey Leeds. “As long as the stuff is unclassified. I had a secure State.gov machine. Everything HRC touches she kind of screws up with hubris.”

Powell added in a tangential complaint: “I told you about the gig I lost at a University because she so overcharged them they came under heat and couldn’t any fees for awhile. I should send her a bill.”

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 14, 2016, 12:42:59 AM

Maybe if he hadn't lied to the U.N. he could have over charged them first.  Dude is salty tits. 

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Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2016, 04:32:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFZ-1EojoFM

don't like this post brehs

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Post by: Reb on September 14, 2016, 08:31:33 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 09:36:26 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PEpajK2.jpg)

Yes, finally a strong leader for America. Like the great Putin we all look up to.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2016, 11:14:51 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/apAYfKl.png)

word

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Post by: zomgee on September 14, 2016, 11:52:08 AM

Quote from: Reb on September 14, 2016, 08:31:33 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 13, 2016, 09:36:26 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PEpajK2.jpg)

Yes, finally a strong leader for America. Like the great Putin we all look up to.

I can't believe she said that, too. Must have been the pneumonia.

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2016, 12:44:30 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html

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“Never before has an American candidate for president had so many financial ties with American allies and enemies, and never before has a business posed such a threat to the United States. If Donald Trump wins this election and his company is not immediately shut down or forever severed from the Trump family, the foreign policy of the United States of America could well be for sale,” Eichenwald concludes.

What a shitshow.  :snoop

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2016, 01:06:16 PM

https://thinkprogress.org/ivanka-trump-clinton-policies-663bd0a24823#.9d8141brv

No surprise here.

I wonder if Chelsea gets to push for her pet program now?  :huh

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 14, 2016, 01:15:33 PM

Trump's child care program is pretty much a total joke. 6-weeks of unemployment benefits, paid for by "reducing fraud," and tax credits. :neogaf

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 14, 2016, 01:42:20 PM

6 month would be great, but tRumpf's plan is only 6 weeks. Hillary wants 12 weeks.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 14, 2016, 03:15:55 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 14, 2016, 12:44:30 PM

http://www.newsweek.com/2016/09/23/donald-trump-foreign-business-deals-national-security-498081.html

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“Never before has an American candidate for president had so many financial ties with American allies and enemies, and never before has a business posed such a threat to the United States. If Donald Trump wins this election and his company is not immediately shut down or forever severed from the Trump family, the foreign policy of the United States of America could well be for sale,” Eichenwald concludes.

What a shitshow.  :snoop

Well gotta admit I didn't think his name was such a brand. But yeah expect a ton of naked bribery if he's elected.

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Post by: Dennis on September 15, 2016, 08:03:01 AM

BREAKING NEWS
Clinton and Trump Locked in Tight Race, New Poll Shows

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

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Post by: Dennis on September 15, 2016, 09:28:45 AM

Quote from: Dufus on September 15, 2016, 09:22:30 AM

it's tight cuz we're still like two months away from the election

amount of attention candidates get will increase by the time nov 4 rolls around

hillary is not gonna see much change from that because everyone knows her for a long time

opinion on trump will change enormously tho... the more you know him, the less you think 'successful businessman who tells it like it is and is not a politician' and the more you think 'ego-maniacal shady lying businessman with no policy ideas'

he'll only do well with male white people and that's not enough to win

Increasingly_concerned_Borean.jpg

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

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Post by: Dennis on September 15, 2016, 10:15:51 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

Is he wrong?  :doge

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2016, 10:28:58 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

that's a good line
:tocry

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 15, 2016, 11:09:53 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

That's not a bad line at all.

I wonder who wrote it for him.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 15, 2016, 01:05:14 PM

Afghanistan veteran destroys runningmate in gun control ad (you won't believe how)

https://www.facebook.com/kanderformissouri/videos/1102167116543853/

:dead

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I wish I could use that headline to troll conservatives

[close]

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on September 15, 2016, 11:09:53 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

That's not a bad line at all.

I wonder who wrote it for him.

Gov. Rick Snyder

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2016, 02:19:45 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on September 15, 2016, 11:09:53 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

That's not a bad line at all.

I wonder who wrote it for him.

Gov. Rick Snyder

PD's never gonna stop taking that L.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 15, 2016, 02:31:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 15, 2016, 02:19:45 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on September 15, 2016, 11:09:53 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

That's not a bad line at all.

I wonder who wrote it for him.

Gov. Rick Snyder

PD's never gonna stop taking that L.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2016/09/14/report-lead-paint-makers-helped-gov-walker/90349256/

:mouf

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Post by: james on September 15, 2016, 06:09:55 PM

Quote from: Dennis on September 15, 2016, 08:03:01 AM

BREAKING NEWS
Clinton and Trump Locked in Tight Race, New Poll Shows

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/16/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news

Who are the bigger, idiots....the 40% who have always supported Trump, or the 5% that cant make up their fucking minds?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 15, 2016, 08:02:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 02:05:25 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on September 15, 2016, 11:09:53 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 15, 2016, 09:47:30 AM

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It used to be, think of this, is this true? It used to be cars were made in Flint, and you couldn’t drink the water in Mexico. Now, the cars are made in Mexico, and you can’t drink the water in Flint! (crowd roars) Oh, I hate to say it, but it’s true. I can say it to you folks.

(http://i.imgur.com/gDyfkKe.png)

That's not a bad line at all.

I wonder who wrote it for him.

Gov. Rick Snyder

(http://i.imgur.com/pertzmx.gif)

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 15, 2016, 08:58:35 PM

So the water in Mexico is better now?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 15, 2016, 09:06:41 PM

Trump Made Mexico Great Again

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Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2016, 11:12:54 PM

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In the interview, conducted late Wednesday aboard his private plane as it idled on the tarmac here, Trump suggested he is not eager to change his pitch or his positions even as he works to reach out to minority voters, many of whom are deeply offended by his long-refuted suggestion that Obama is not a U.S. citizen. Trump refused to say whether he believes Obama was born in Hawaii.

“I’ll answer that question at the right time,” Trump said. “I just don’t want to answer it yet.”

When asked whether his campaign manager, Kellyanne Conway, was accurate when she said recently that he now believes Obama was born in this country, Trump responded: “It’s okay. She’s allowed to speak what she thinks. I want to focus on jobs. I want to focus on other things.”

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Donald Trump "believes that President Obama was born in the United States," according to a statement by a senior campaign aide.

The statement, issued by senior communications adviser Jason Miller, came after the Republican nominee declined in an interview with the Washington Post to acknowledge that President Barack Obama is a U.S. citizen.

"In 2011, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling President Obama to release his birth certificate," Miller said, adding that Trump "did a great service to the president and the country by bringing closure to the issue."

Miller continued: "Having successfully obtained President Obama’s birth certificate when others could not, Mr. Trump believes that President Obama was born in the United States."

He also alleged that it was Hillary Clinton who "first raised this issue to smear then-candidate Barack Obama in her very nasty, failed 2008 campaign for president" but said she was "too weak to get an answer."

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 15, 2016, 11:20:10 PM

this fucking guy

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Post by: Trent Dole on September 15, 2016, 11:45:08 PM

https://twitter.com/TheBardockObama/status/775888478596833280
This tweet and the first reply. I am fucking dead.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 16, 2016, 08:10:12 AM

.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 16, 2016, 10:41:48 AM

http://www.timesofisrael.com/in-leaked-emails-colin-powell-says-israel-has-200-nukes/

opps, salty tits, opps

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2016, 01:13:30 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-puts-end-to-birtherism

"Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it," Trump said in a campaign event at his new D.C. hotel. "President Obama was born in the United States. Period."

After the declaration, Trump said, "Now, we all want to get back to making America strong and great again."

Trump patting himself on the back so hard that he's going to throw out his shoulder.  :comeon

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 16, 2016, 02:09:28 PM

This shit is not playing well – oh Donald.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2016, 02:16:26 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/networks-erase-trump-hotel-tour-footage

Trump on Friday invited only photographers and video cameras to accompany him on a tour of his newly-opened Trump International Hotel, after delivering a speech that had been billed as a "major statement" on his birtherism but only touched on the topic for 33 seconds. As Politico reported, pool rules require that a pool producer accompany any campaign event that will be documented visually.

Yet ABC producer Candace Smith wrote on Twitter that she was “physically restrained” from joining the tour. Once the other networks caught wind that any editorial presence had been barred from the tour, their Washington bureau chiefs decided in an emergency conference call to pull the camera accompanying Trump and erase all footage of the tour, according to Politico.

:neogaf

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2016, 02:18:55 PM

Also, this whole thing was really just a thinly-veiled grand opening for his new DC hotel. The Obama birther idiocy was just the bait to get the media to cover it, which they did without hesitation.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2016, 02:35:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/40f2hzj.jpg)

Weird!

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Post by: Syph on September 16, 2016, 06:24:22 PM

i can't lie that last tweet is fucking hilarious

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Post by: Let's Cyber on September 17, 2016, 10:43:30 AM

Meanwhile, 4 years ago (Sept 17, 2012)

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/09/secret-video-romney-private-fundraiser

How quaint and adorable does this controversy look compared to the current shitshow?  :lol

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Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2016, 12:40:33 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2016, 02:18:55 PM

Also, this whole thing was really just a thinly-veiled grand opening for his new DC hotel. The Obama birther idiocy was just the bait to get the media to cover it, which they did without hesitation.

And yet people would rather Hillary be President, she can't even pull off a 9/11 memorial!

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Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2016, 03:16:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xHhNr5jeTIw

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 17, 2016, 05:15:16 PM

Whhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaat?

you can get fired from The Huffington Post?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 17, 2016, 05:57:34 PM

Eh, being a "contributor" doesn't mean you actually are employed by HuffPo. I know Forbes has all types of contributors who people link to and claim" well according to Forbes..." when in reality it's just some dude.

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Post by: Dennis on September 17, 2016, 05:59:22 PM

Does HuffPo even pay their desperate recent English-major freelance writers?

HuffPo: "You get something to put on your resume, that is worth more than money!"

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Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2016, 06:52:38 PM

unpaid Huffington Post contributor Peter Douchet (http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/politics-nation/n44022)

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Post by: Syph on September 17, 2016, 11:31:11 PM

ny explosion..

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Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2016, 01:19:02 AM

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/e35/14052417_568377866686768_1148392024_n.jpg)

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 18, 2016, 03:18:31 AM

benji why

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2016, 10:24:06 AM

Because it was a slow news day, New.  Like the only thing that happened was NYC got bombed. 

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2016, 10:25:34 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 18, 2016, 03:18:31 AM

benji why

This question will be asked many times in Appalachia over the next 4 years. The answer will always be the same: because she hates white men, Malachi.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2016, 10:31:29 AM

speaking of which, has anybody checked on that HuffPo guy to see if he fell in his shower or whatever?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2016, 10:49:14 AM

Before or after he started writing for HuffPo?

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Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2016, 11:26:02 AM

yes

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Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2016, 01:22:39 PM

Quote

Sheldon Richman
‏@SheldonRichman
Carl Bernstein reports that Bill Weld is considering dropping out if he thinks Johnson-Weld will help elect Trump. #JohnsonWeld2016

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Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2016, 01:25:04 PM

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-party-penalties-former-gop-trump-endorsement/

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Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said Sunday that it’s high time for Donald Trump’s former primary challengers to come on board and support his campaign—and suggested there could be trouble for them in 2020 or 2024 if they don’t.

“Those people need to get on board,” he told CBS’ “Face the Nation.” “And if they’re thinking they’re going to run again someday, I think that we’re going to evaluate the process – of the nomination process and I don’t think it’s going to be that easy for them.”

Several of Trump’s former Republican primary opponents, including Ohio Gov. John Kasich, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush have not endorsed Trump in the months since the GOP businessman secured the nomination. Asked explicitly whether that meant there would be penalties for the handful of 2016 Republican hopefuls who have not endorsed Trump if they opted to run again in 2020 or 2024, Priebus said nothing has been decided but that it’s something the party will “look at.”

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“People in our party are talking about what we’re going to do about this. I mean there’s a ballot access issue in South Carolina. In order to be on the ballot in South Carolina, you actually have to pledge your support to the nominee, no matter who that person is,” Priebus said. “So what’s the penalty for that? It’s not a threat, but that’s just the question that we have a process in place.”

“And if a private entity puts forward a process and has agreement with the participants in that process, and those participants don’t follow through with the promises that they made in that process, what-- what should a private party do about that if those same people come around in four or eight years?” Priebus continued.

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Post by: El Babua on September 18, 2016, 01:42:02 PM

Quote from: Dufus on September 18, 2016, 12:46:00 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=217236339&postcount=54

black voters :snoop

Taking the opinion of one black guy and applying it to the entire spectrum :hitler

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2016, 02:13:21 PM

Since when is being black a spectrum? 

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Post by: Mandark on September 18, 2016, 02:15:06 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 18, 2016, 02:13:21 PM

Since when is being black a spectrum?

Since the one-drop rule.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2016, 02:34:27 PM

Doesn't that rule imply that one drop makes you black, making it a binary classification not a spectrum? 

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Post by: El Babua on September 18, 2016, 02:47:16 PM

Correction: All black people are also autistic.  :doge

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Post by: brawndolicious on September 18, 2016, 02:49:15 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 18, 2016, 02:34:27 PM

Doesn't that rule imply that one drop makes you black, making it a binary classification not a spectrum?

Didn't the Spanish system say that one drop of African blood means you're always in the mulatto spectrum but there's different caste levels within it?

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Post by: Mandark on September 18, 2016, 02:58:07 PM

The result of the rule is that there's a pretty vast range of skin tones, hair types, etc. contained in a single designation, definitely moreso than for White.

But really, Babua was just saying not to conflate one person's opinion with those of their whole ethnicity.  Which seems reasonable!

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 18, 2016, 03:09:02 PM

I also know what he was saying.  Like most of my jokes, I just liked how the words sounded. 

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 18, 2016, 03:14:40 PM

Quote from: El Babua on September 18, 2016, 02:47:16 PM

Correction: All black people are also autistic.  :doge

There do seem to be a lot of black Sonic fans.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2016, 05:09:27 PM

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/777174342639689728
:dead

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 18, 2016, 06:00:10 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 18, 2016, 05:09:27 PM

https://twitter.com/Kasparov63/status/777174342639689728
:dead

The D'Souza tweet from further up the chain is almost as good:

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What @realDonaldTrump admires about Putin is the way Putin--unlike someone else we know--LOVES his country & FIGHTS for its interests

:neogaf

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 18, 2016, 06:10:41 PM

the fuck

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Post by: thisismyusername on September 19, 2016, 10:05:46 AM

E-mailGhazi 2: Electric Boogaloo: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/53hdaq/reddit_posts_by_hillarys_it_guy_proves_she/

Archived comment history: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/53hdaq/reddit_posts_by_hillarys_it_guy_proves_she/d7t2ghb

Oops?

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Post by: james on September 19, 2016, 11:10:25 AM

Kerry and Gore must be pleased as fuck theyll no longer be remembered as the worst failed democratic candidates in presidential history.

Sure, Gore managed to take Clintons booming economy and lose, handing over power to George "fuckwit" Bush.

But at least he didnt take Obamas booming economy and hand it over to Trump

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2016, 11:23:07 AM

So you're saying Hillary is going to lose? Have you put money on that, you could make a killing.

but she's gonna win so you'd lose money  :doge

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Post by: headwalk on September 19, 2016, 11:33:50 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on September 19, 2016, 10:05:46 AM

E-mailGhazi 2: Electric Boogaloo: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/53hdaq/reddit_posts_by_hillarys_it_guy_proves_she/

Archived comment history: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/53hdaq/reddit_posts_by_hillarys_it_guy_proves_she/d7t2ghb

Oops?

i can only imagine how much hillary hates the internet.

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Post by: james on September 19, 2016, 11:48:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2016, 11:23:07 AM

So you're saying Hillary is going to lose? Have you put money on that, you could make a killing.

but she's gonna win so you'd lose money  :doge

Have you seen the polls?

She plunging harder than a bra under an Emmys dress

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Post by: thisismyusername on September 19, 2016, 11:57:38 AM

I think PD's point is more: Those polls don't matter come election day. :doge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2016, 12:04:20 PM

Meh, polls are only believable when my side is winning. 

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2016, 12:06:48 PM

Quote from: james on September 19, 2016, 11:48:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2016, 11:23:07 AM

So you're saying Hillary is going to lose? Have you put money on that, you could make a killing.

but she's gonna win so you'd lose money  :doge

Have you seen the polls?

She plunging harder than a bra under an Emmys dress

Still ahead and above 270. Until someone shows me a map that gets Trump to 270 I'm not worried. I have Hillary at 294 without Ohio, Iowa, or Florida.

(I think she'll ultimately win Florida, dunno about Ohio or Iowa).

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 19, 2016, 12:51:53 PM

Kasich is one of the most prominent GOP'ers holding out against Trump. He had better hope Hillary wins by a decisive margin, because if it just comes down to Ohio he's screwed forever within the party.

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Post by: El Babua on September 19, 2016, 01:32:59 PM

Polls have actually been stable the last couple of days with Hillary still slightly ahead.

Not as nervous as I was when Mitty was running 4 years ago.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2016, 01:34:41 PM

Mormons scare me too brah. 

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Post by: Tasty on September 19, 2016, 02:03:40 PM

The fundamental lack of understanding of the electoral collage itt jfc

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Post by: brawndolicious on September 19, 2016, 02:38:24 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 19, 2016, 02:03:40 PM

The fundamental lack of understanding of the electoral collage itt jfc

Relax. No one talks about EC cause it's dumb. Personally, I think maybe that Hillary will win by a big margin but that all depends on how she debates. It's not hard to make Trump look stupid but she has to do it in a way that doesn't alienate his voters.

What you should be afraid of is 4 years of whining and congressional obstruction if Hillary only wins by a few % of the popular vote.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2016, 02:39:32 PM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 19, 2016, 12:51:53 PM

Kasich is one of the most prominent GOP'ers holding out against Trump. He had better hope Hillary wins by a decisive margin, because if it just comes down to Ohio he's screwed forever within the party.

He had a future?

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Post by: Syph on September 19, 2016, 02:55:18 PM

trust me and click play (skip to 3:40)

https://youtu.be/r54CqBhoIjk?t=3m40s

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Post by: james on September 19, 2016, 03:01:48 PM

One thing I have not heard discussed this election is how the economic recovery has affected different states. Its been very uneven.

I keep hearing things like "how is Trump up 4 in Ohio but only up 6 in Texas?"

It's the economy, stupid.

Bu bu but unemployment is down! We're booming!

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California added 63,000 jobs in August, 42% of U.S. total

The state added a net 63,100 jobs last month and the unemployment rate remained at 5.5%, according to data released by the Employment Development Department on Friday.

Across the nation in August, employers added a net total of 151,000 new positions, meaning that California accounted for 42% of all U.S. job growth last month.

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-jobs-august-california-20160915-snap-story.html

Remove the progressive, booming California economy, led by JERRY BROWN and you have yourself....stagnation.

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Ohio's unemployment rate ticked up to 4.7 percent in August 2016, as the state lost 2,000 jobs.

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Kansas ended August with another rise in the statewide unemployment rate.

The Kansas Department of Labor announced Friday that the state’s unemployment rate grew to 4.3 percent in August. That’s up from a roughly 4 percent unemployment rate in July, according to the department.

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Iowa’s seasonally adjusted unemployment rate increased slightly to 4.1 percent in July from 4 percent in June. The state’s jobless rate was 3.6 percent one year ago.

Nate Silver should be running multivariate regressions showing how the local economy is affecting Trumps poll numbers.

Instead, hes auditioning for CNN.

Maybe the talking heads might come around to this in November.

It's the economy.

And right now, for swing states, thats bad news.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 19, 2016, 03:31:49 PM

lol kansas

Get beat into the dirt by conservative economics that you keep voting for, brehs.

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Post by: Trurl on September 19, 2016, 03:48:39 PM

What happens if we have a Trump presidency AND a terrorist attack that kills hundreds of people?   

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 19, 2016, 03:52:22 PM

What?! You mean Brownback's tax cuts actually increased unemployment? fuckin' looooooooooooool

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Post by: james on September 19, 2016, 04:30:58 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 19, 2016, 03:52:22 PM

What?! You mean Brownback's tax cuts actually increased unemployment? fuckin' looooooooooooool

If Democrats were not idiots theyd run ads comparing and contrasting California or Massachusetts with the Republican shitholes of Kansas or Louisiana.

A tale of two states.

One hiked up taxes and passed JOB KILLING green energy mandates
The other gave away the farm to the rich

Where are they now?

The story tells itself.

Instead the only people aware of this growing economic imbalance are limited to this thread and/or Mother Jones readers (if they exist)

There are two kinds of republicans.

The "they took er jerbs" racists
And the "Democrats just tax and spend" types who last read up on anything in the 7th grade civics class in 1996 (with a textbook printed in 1989)

The first type should be pushed into a Volcano.

The second maybe can be educated. Maybe.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2016, 06:16:14 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/wRpR99q.gif)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 19, 2016, 06:24:11 PM

I like it, but I prefer your work on Hilary, Benji. 

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Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2016, 08:14:43 PM

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-media/2016/09/trump-tv-pools-erase-video-hotel-tour-228284

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In a show of joint defiance, the major television networks collectively voted to pull a camera and erase video of Donald Trump giving a tour of his hotel

:badass

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Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2016, 08:24:26 PM

Quote from: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/how-donald-trump-lost-his-mojo-w438162

How Donald Trump Lost His Mojo
Flailing on race and immigration, his campaign in chaos, the candidate who made a brilliant farce of the election is now finding the joke is on him

By Matt Taibbi
September 6, 2016

Quote from: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/the-unconquerable-trump-w438545

The Unconquerable Trump
Seemingly imploding on the trail, Trump gains in a national poll. WTF, America?

By Matt Taibbi
September 7, 2016

 :lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2016, 09:04:12 PM

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And it’s very likely the use of “Skittles” is a racist dog whistle intended to evoke the killing of Trayvon Martin among Trump’s right wing base of supporters. It’s pretty safe to say that will be the first thing many of them think of.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46389_Donald_Trump_Jr._Compares_Syrian_Refugees_to_a_Bowl_of_Poisoned_Skittles_Candy

come get your mans, Mandark

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Post by: benjipwns on September 19, 2016, 09:08:11 PM

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Donald Trump Jr. has blocked the LGF account after we revealed several of his associations with antisemites and white supremacists, but we have ways to see what he’s tweeting anyway

logging out?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2016, 09:16:45 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 19, 2016, 09:08:11 PM

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Donald Trump Jr. has blocked the LGF account after we revealed several of his associations with antisemites and white supremacists, but we have ways to see what he’s tweeting anyway

logging out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AERwgNvgMmc

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 19, 2016, 09:22:30 PM

https://twitter.com/TheObamanista/status/778033895203799040
:drudge

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Post by: Mandark on September 19, 2016, 10:25:46 PM

Quote from: james on September 19, 2016, 03:01:48 PM

One thing I have not heard discussed this election is how the economic recovery has affected different states. Its been very uneven.

You have no idea what you're talking about.¹

But I am glad Trump recovered enough in the polls for you to find your login info again.

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 19, 2016, 10:30:16 PM

inb4 shadowstats

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Post by: headwalk on September 19, 2016, 10:34:44 PM

listen to grandad over here talking bout the economy and policies like it's the 1980s or some shit.

in 2016 it's all about how much of dead criminal one candidate is vs how many nazi cartoon frogs the other is cultivating.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 01:14:42 AM

skittles and their false balance bullshit smh what happened to integrity in candy ethics
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CsxWU5AXgAEF_B6.jpg:large)

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 04:41:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpRVBvx_-z4
 :whoo
left-wing comedy annnihilated

wait, in the related, can that title be true:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yp39gwTYLU
 :gladbron
the greatest showdown possible? if only...if only

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spittin hot fire wow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cl-V92ItbxU

sounds like he could do a decent impression if he spent time on that instead of whatever it is he does

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 04:45:36 AM

Here's the original Kristen Bell video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_m5AlsQqcs

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Steven Crowder might be the worst thing Michigan has ever produced:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwlV_TgjKso

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 08:48:39 AM

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New York Rep. Lee Zeldin (R) on Monday took a swipe at National Football League quarterback Colin Kaepernick after authorities took custody of the Chelsea bombing suspect.

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Lee Zeldin @leezeldin
Suspect in custody. You are welcome Colin Kaepernick.
11:51 AM - 19 Sep 2016

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Dear Mr. Goodell,

As the chief executive of the National Football League, I believe it is up to you to outright condemn the players who refuse to stand during our national anthem.

...

The NFL's players must be reminded that our flag, our national anthem and the uniform of our brave military are more sacred than the uniforms that they wear on the field.

...

Consider the players of high school teams around the country in the last week who have followed their heroes’ examples by remaining kneeled or seated during our national anthem.

These kids are too young to recall September 11th and the effect that had on our country.

They are too young to remember Pat Tillman, a safety for the Arizona Cardinals who left his NFL career to join the Army Rangers. As you know, he died in combat.

These kids, some of whom may one day honorably serve in the armed forces, do not yet understand that what they are doing isn’t silent protest but rather a slap in the face to the millions of Americans who sacrificed for them.

...

America is the greatest country in the world. It is the greatest country partly because of the rights that are guaranteed to us, including the freedom of speech, in our government’s founding document. While these players may not have a legal obligation to rise, they have an American duty to do so.

...

While there are still tragic and inexcusable incidents of injustice, racism and bigotry in this country of more than 300 million people, we cannot allow influential members of our society to undermine the monumental progress that has been made in our nation’s relatively short history.

These players must be reminded that our flag, our national anthem and the uniform of our brave military are more sacred than the uniforms that they wear on the field.

I urge you, Mr. Commissioner, to discipline these players who have shown such disrespect to a nation that has allowed them to achieve so much.

Roger Williams represents the 25th congressional district of Texas, which includes Fort Hood, in the U.S. House of Representatives. He played baseball, and coached, for Texas Christian University and was drafted into the Atlanta Braves farm system.

:usacry

these guys  :neogaf

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 20, 2016, 08:48:42 AM

Brehvolution decimates ben shapiro by not watching his bullshit.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 09:13:43 AM

Hey, it's some conservative channel that rips out his content at least!

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Post by: tiesto on September 20, 2016, 09:57:08 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 08:48:39 AM

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New York Rep. Lee Zeldin (R) on Monday took a swipe at National Football League quarterback Colin Kaepernick after authorities took custody of the Chelsea bombing suspect.

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Lee Zeldin @leezeldin
Suspect in custody. You are welcome Colin Kaepernick.
11:51 AM - 19 Sep 2016

 :usacry

these guys  :neogaf

Heh, Zeldin is my district's rep. He lost once to Tim Bishop but then dethroned him the following election... after Bishop was caught doing a bunch of shady shit. But that's expected when you live in "Crookhaven".

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Post by: james on September 20, 2016, 10:00:52 AM

Quote from: Mandark on September 19, 2016, 10:25:46 PM

Quote from: james on September 19, 2016, 03:01:48 PM

One thing I have not heard discussed this election is how the economic recovery has affected different states. Its been very uneven.

You have no idea what you're talking about.¹

But I am glad Trump recovered enough in the polls for you to find your login info again.

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That link simply proves my point.

Thank you?

 ???

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2016, 10:40:04 AM

Obviously freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences but it's hilarious watching those who peddle "America is the freest county of all time" mantras demand mandatory cult-like adherence to nationalistic rituals.

Even funnier that this conversation is being waged while the NFL literally gets paid by the government to project patriotic images for marketing purposes.

BTW how long before the NFL's (surprisingly) declining ratings this season get blamed on Kaep.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 10:46:31 AM

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The case involving the flagpole at Trump’s oceanfront Mar-a-Lago Club began in 2006, when the club put up a giant American flag on the 80-foot pole. Town rules said flagpoles should be 42 feet high at most. Trump’s contention, according to news reports, was: “You don’t need a permit to put up the American flag.”

The town began to fine Trump, $1,250 a day.

Trump’s club sued in federal court, saying that a smaller flag “would fail to appropriately express the magnitude of Donald J. Trump’s . . . patriotism.”

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 20, 2016, 10:56:45 AM

:lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2016, 11:01:20 AM

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/778209202095415296

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 11:06:14 AM

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diAnnA's bayou ‏@Cajun_Manor  1h1 hour ago
@Moosedog23 @DonaldJTrumpJr @BreitbartNews @realDonaldTrump Drumpf seedlings taught #grifterscode Dad,the sociopath

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CszUZGjUIAABxEY.jpg)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2016, 11:11:01 AM

The worst thing about Donald Trump being elected President is that we'll have to put up with his progeny for the next few decades, as well.

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Post by: studyguy on September 20, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2016, 11:11:01 AM

The worst thing about Donald Trump being elected President is that we'll have to put up with his progeny for the next few decades, as well.

The idea of smashing on Ivanka is sort of ruined by the fact that you'd have to deal with her father watching you smash in the corner of the room tho.  :doge

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 20, 2016, 11:19:32 AM

Seems like Don Jr. is doing a good job of setting himself up to inherit the throne of fuckery. The only problem is that he isn't a showman, he seems more like a typical slimy GOP dumbass.

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Post by: headwalk on September 20, 2016, 11:29:00 AM

maybe you should stop wasting everyone's time by playing the national anthem before every sporting event.

we only have ours before internationals and that does my head in.

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Post by: brawndolicious on September 20, 2016, 12:38:14 PM

Quote from: headwalk on September 20, 2016, 11:29:00 AM

maybe you should stop wasting everyone's time by playing the national anthem before every sporting event.

we only have ours before internationals and that does my head in.

I always assumed it was a cheap way to garner interest from those who want to show patriotism. I've only been to one football game 10 years ago so I didn't know this actually happens.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 01:44:48 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/MhA7F7m.png)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2016, 02:41:06 PM

Bubububu, why don't Muslims ever report other Muslims for being terrorists? Don't they love America?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/21/nyregion/ahmad-khan-rahami-suspect.html?_r=0

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Post by: Dennis on September 20, 2016, 08:30:10 PM

Elizabeth Warren DESTROYS Wells Fargo CEO For Unauthorized Accounts "YOU SHOULD RESIGN"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBmn0xU7wY

Makes Hillary look like a wet noodle in comparison.

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Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2016, 08:38:21 PM

You know it's serious when "DESTROYS" is in all caps.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2016, 09:49:31 PM

Try not to laugh!

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Post by: thisismyusername on September 20, 2016, 10:04:03 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 20, 2016, 01:44:48 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/MhA7F7m.png)

I have no idea where that image is from, but that headline and H.W.'s smile just makes it for me. :lol

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Post by: Syph on September 21, 2016, 02:33:05 AM

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“How many times do we have to see this in our country?” Clinton said. “In Tulsa, an unarmed man with his hands in the air. This is just unbearable. And it needs to be intolerable. Maybe I can, by speaking directly to white people, say, look, this is not who we are,” she continued. “We have got to do everything possible to improve policing, to go right at implicit bias.”

wtf at that quote

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-terence-crutcher_us_57e141dce4b08cb14097ea47 (i purposely used a left-wing site)

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Post by: Mandark on September 21, 2016, 03:11:20 AM

Seems pretty simple. What part's confusing you?

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 21, 2016, 09:36:47 AM

Conservatives only like to acknowledge whiteness exists when making faux tongue in cheek jokes about white supremacy. "I never get pulled over in the city. Must be because I'm white LOL!"

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 21, 2016, 10:04:44 AM

http://adequateman.deadspin.com/what-happens-if-trump-calls-hillary-a-bitch-during-th-1786843840

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2016, 11:52:42 AM

What happens if Trump literally strangles Hillary to death on stage? Do they just keep going or is that the end of Trump's campaign?

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Post by: james on September 21, 2016, 11:59:25 AM

The Obama economy is causing enormous chaos.

My God....

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For many in the local restaurant industry, however, it’s another figure that’s generating attention, and worry. That number is 600 — as in, the number of employees Eataly hopes to hire in the coming weeks.

With Boston in the midst of a massive shortage of food-industry workers, the influx of 600 new jobs threatens to deplete an already small pool of workers.

“It spreads what’s already in short supply even thinner,” said Jason Santos, a Boston restaurateur who plans to open his new Back Bay restaurant, Buttermilk and Bourbon, around the same time Eataly debuts.

Said Bob Luz, president and CEO of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association, “It’ll obviously exacerbate what is already a very delicate ecosystem as it is today. There’s no question it’s going to have an impact.”

http://www.bostonglobe.com/lifestyle/style/2016/09/20/eataly-coming-and-enormous-now-how-fill-all-those-open-jobs/Oo8r2X9zedn6tDOVBNZtfL/story.html

Entitled millennials are no longer willing to make under $10 an hour for these garbage jobs.

WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE RESTAURATEURS?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2016, 12:20:09 PM

O shit Toronto is getting a Eataly at Yonge and Bloor.  Yes.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 21, 2016, 12:44:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2016, 11:52:42 AM

What happens if Trump literally strangles Hillary to death on stage? Do they just keep going or is that the end of Trump's campaign?

No, the beginning of his reign. :usacry

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Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2016, 02:39:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JdEsJrt2g

watch out for aleppo guys

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Post by: Human Snorenado on September 21, 2016, 02:59:13 PM

Some good hate in this piece. Lofty hate, even.

http://www.gq.com/story/a-word-for-donald-trump-voters

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Trump is human waste. He is the worst of America stuffed into a nacho cheese casing, and he is emblematic of the kind of arrogant, flag-waving, trashy, racist moron that the rest of us have to DRAG kicking and screaming into the 21st century: Cliven Bundy, Sean Hannity, Kim Davis, and on and on and on. Trump voters are the people who have spent the past decade or so voting insipid obstructionists into office, sending death threats to anyone who even mentions the idea of gun control, demanding 100% tax cuts on millions of dollars they can only daydream about making, and getting suckered in by any Oil Party candidate waving a NO GAYS flag. Fuck them. These are needy hillbilly loons who are just as starved for attention as Trump himself. And voting for Trump is their way of emulating him, of saying FUCK YOU to everyone else as a mission statement, with no regard for the fallout.

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Post by: james on September 21, 2016, 03:19:57 PM

This is why I dont put a D next to my name

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According to yet another sordid and sad tabloid report, Anthony Weiner sexted with a 15-year-old girl for months via various social media messaging services. The girl, whose name was not released because of her age, talked to the Daily Mail about their months-long sexting relationship, in which he allegedly exchanged nude photos, pressured her to dress up in school girl outfits for him, and shared his "rape fantasies."

http://gothamist.com/2016/09/21/anthony_t_dog_weiner_sext.php

Hillary is not a good judge of character

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 21, 2016, 03:25:19 PM

Quote from: james on September 21, 2016, 03:19:57 PM

Hillary is not a good judge of character

(http://i.imgur.com/TBQ3Tii.png)

Please explain to us why Hillary Clinton is at fault for the actions of the husband of one of her campaign aides. Likewise I have a feeling I'll have to ask you why Huma is at fault for the actions of her husband.

And I kinda get the impression you also think Hillary is at fault for her own husband's extra-marital actions.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 21, 2016, 03:28:36 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 21, 2016, 02:39:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JdEsJrt2g

watch out for aleppo guys

Smug gray haired guy who got Gary Johnson said the UN convoy bombed was going to Aleppo, but it was leaving Aleppo. :wag

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2016, 03:30:17 PM

Oh shit, I heard this already-disgraced Democrat is a big ol' pervert, better vote for Trump.

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Post by: Brehvolution on September 21, 2016, 03:38:17 PM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l3vR6UGVCBjWzIwMg/giphy.gif)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 21, 2016, 03:42:34 PM

That can't be real

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Post by: benjipwns on September 21, 2016, 04:37:48 PM

It's on that alt-right anti-Trans gamergate supporting Daily Show (http://www.cc.com/video-clips/e9z0ej/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-jordan-klepper-fingers-the-pulse---conspiracy-theories-thrive-at-a-donald-trump-rally).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFQhw3VVToQ

Interesting facts about Magic Johnson exposed.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 21, 2016, 05:04:44 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-response-washington-post-charity

The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that Trump used a total of $258,000 from his foundation to settle personal legal issues. For example, when Trump was fined in 2006 by the town of Palm Beach over the height of the flag pole at Mar-a-Lago, Trump settled the issue by donating to a charity of the town's choice. However, Trump wrote a check with funds from his foundation. This follows Washington Post reporting showing that Trump's Foundation has largely used other people's money in the past few years.

Bill and Hillary only wish their charity was this sleazy.

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Post by: Syph on September 22, 2016, 12:01:48 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 21, 2016, 02:39:49 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1JdEsJrt2g

watch out for aleppo guys

wow this was bad
surprised to see this kind of backbone on msnbc but gotta give credit where credit is due
also that laugh is creepier than trump kissing ivanka  :holeup

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Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2016, 12:21:44 AM

You'd never see MSNBC grill Trump or another candidate like that, only Hillary gets that kind of treatment. Only Hillary's people are attacked for saying "ask the candidate" when questioned on new policy based off breaking news of the second.

The corporate media is trying to drown America they're so far in the tank for Trump.

http://shareblue.com/lester-holt-faces-the-test-of-his-career-and-hes-got-matt-lauer-to-thank-for-it/

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If, in questioning Clinton, Holt simply echoes the subjects his colleagues have been repeating for the last year and a half (or longer, in some cases), he’ll automatically tilt the debate in Trump’s favor.

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With a few tweets and demeaning nicknames, Donald Trump handily dispatched some of the most powerful and well-funded Republicans in the country. So why is he struggling against Hillary Clinton in the general election despite a monumental and well-documented effort by the national media to tilt the playing field in his favor?

In addition to the corporate media’s tireless efforts to derail his rival, Trump has several other major advantages in 2016:

He is a reality TV star in a reality TV culture.
He laid waste to the GOP field and built a head of steam out of the primaries.
He appeals to a highly energized segment of the U.S. electorate.
He has the well-honed conservative messaging infrastructure behind him.
He is allowed to lie, obfuscate and play dirty with few repercussions.
He is given a pass for an unprecedented lack of transparency.
He bullies the press, taunts his opponents, and maligns people with impunity.
He surrounds himself with some of the shadiest operatives in American politics.
His opponent has the disadvantage of three decades of false narratives and conspiracies.
Moreover, a Republican is typically favored after a two-term Democratic presidency.

So what’s wrong with Donald Trump’s campaign? Why isn’t he leading Clinton? All things considered, why isn’t this a Republican blowout?

Is it his weakness or her strength? Or both?

Perhaps he should be asked that question at the September 26 debate.

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Post by: Trent Dole on September 22, 2016, 03:36:19 AM

Why in the fuck is a piece of shit from fox news allowed to moderate a debate? And the last one, no less. Good jon, Dems. ::)

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2016, 08:27:25 AM

Syria seems more like Morning Joe's pet issue now. The hosts studied it for ten minutes and have decided it is the issue Americans need to know about. I get the faint insinuation they're cheerleading for a war but I don't watch enough (any) of Morning Joe to be sure.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 22, 2016, 08:41:54 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2016, 08:27:25 AM

Syria seems more like Morning Joe's pet issue now. The hosts studied it for ten minutes and have decided it is the issue Americans need to know about. I get the faint insinuation they're cheerleading for a war but I don't watch enough (any) of Morning Joe to be sure.

Isn't the US and its western Europe allies already conducting military operations anyway ? The war drums have been on for several years but even without a ground intervention, I don't think we'll extract from this whatever way the cookie crumbles. It's gonna end up either with a clusterfuck like Libya or Bachar left standing on top of a slightly less agitated clusterfuck.

What is everyone opinion about the debates ? I honestly have a hard time believing they'll have a massive effect. His core voters didn't flinch at any of the shit he spewed so far, they'll soldier through inept performances. Guess he could alienate some more "moderates" but that's already done, right ? The only thing I see is Trumps bullying Clinton to the point of embarassment and discredit, but it's hard to imagine she will take it.

Really I expect them to speak past each other. Trump is just operating on a wholly different plane than the norm of what politics are supposed to be.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 22, 2016, 09:07:07 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2016, 08:27:25 AM

Syria seems more like Morning Joe's pet issue now. The hosts studied it for ten minutes and have decided it is the issue Americans need to know about. I get the faint insinuation they're cheerleading for a war but I don't watch enough (any) of Morning Joe to be sure.

This. Syria is a pet issue for me so it's like seeing your favorite underground band go mainstream and someone mispronouncing the singer's name or something.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2016, 09:44:16 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 22, 2016, 09:07:07 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2016, 08:27:25 AM

Syria seems more like Morning Joe's pet issue now. The hosts studied it for ten minutes and have decided it is the issue Americans need to know about. I get the faint insinuation they're cheerleading for a war but I don't watch enough (any) of Morning Joe to be sure.

This. Syria is a pet issue for me so it's like seeing your favorite underground band go mainstream and someone mispronouncing the singer's name or something.

tfw you were googling Aleppo before it was cool

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2016, 09:59:25 AM

If Trump wasn't a factor I'd probably feel confident saying both the dem and GOP candidates probably would not put US forces (beyond the special forces that are there already) on the ground in Syria. It's a shitty situation with a lot of variables and chances at fuck ups/escalations.

I've seen some polls where most Americans want an intervention...but you don't have to be a genius to know that sentiment would quickly shift if we actually sent troops.

Samson...if you found yourself at a bar with Barry O and he asked what should he do about Syria, what would you say.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 22, 2016, 11:26:40 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2016, 09:44:16 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 22, 2016, 09:07:07 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2016, 08:27:25 AM

Syria seems more like Morning Joe's pet issue now. The hosts studied it for ten minutes and have decided it is the issue Americans need to know about. I get the faint insinuation they're cheerleading for a war but I don't watch enough (any) of Morning Joe to be sure.

This. Syria is a pet issue for me so it's like seeing your favorite underground band go mainstream and someone mispronouncing the singer's name or something.

tfw you were googling Aleppo before it was cool

He liked Syria when the mass graves were still underground. 

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 22, 2016, 12:24:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 22, 2016, 09:59:25 AM

If Trump wasn't a factor I'd probably feel confident saying both the dem and GOP candidates probably would not put US forces (beyond the special forces that are there already) on the ground in Syria. It's a shitty situation with a lot of variables and chances at fuck ups/escalations.

I've seen some polls where most Americans want an intervention...but you don't have to be a genius to know that sentiment would quickly shift if we actually sent troops.

Samson...if you found yourself at a bar with Barry O and he asked what should he do about Syria, what would you say.

I'd tell him what he already knows, which is that he has three options:

A. Keep doing what you're doing. It's low risk and keeps the greatest amount of people "happy"—the American people seem okay with it, the international community seems okay with it, the Kurds seem okay with it, the Islamists FSA seems okay with it, Assad seems okay with it, Congress seems okay with it, and you are unlikely to be faced with anything requiring a major course correction in the next four months.

B. Stop everything until you get Congress on the hook with a new AUMF. Starting foreverwars is too easy these days and a bad legacy to have as president. If Congress won't do it, then maybe count your blessings. No matter what we do in the Middle East, we lose, so maybe stop pretending IS is a legitimate threat to NATO and use existing legal international framework to do humanitarian aid/or peacekeeping.

C. Decide peace cannot happen in Syria until Assad goes and lean into removing him. Start WW3.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 22, 2016, 12:52:11 PM

I think the biggest question with regards to Syria is what comes after we bombed them into freedom...

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 22, 2016, 01:02:36 PM

We've currently got an incubator for that in Libya. Current models show rise of JFS, multiple governments, and more profits for bomb makers.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2016, 01:40:14 PM

Hillary's America:
(https://pajamasmed.hs.llnwd.net/e12/instapundit/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Screen-Shot-2016-09-22-at-8.08.07-AM-600x90.png)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cs86w5FWcAAbJa7.jpg)

Quote

THE Chris Coon @Coondawg68
First they came for Charles C Johnson
Then they came for R.S McCain
Then they came for Milo
Now they've come for @instapundit
7:20 AM - 22 Sep 2016

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THE Chris Coon @Coondawg68
Note the progression. Note how they've moved from fringe to mainstream, small fish, to big. #FreeInstapundit @instapundit
7:21 AM - 22 Sep 2016

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Cs8_evGXYAA4Gil.jpg)

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 22, 2016, 02:39:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xrkPe-9rM1Q

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 22, 2016, 02:49:06 PM

At first I thought Zack had shaved his beard. 

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that was pretty good

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2016, 03:40:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2016, 01:40:14 PM

Quote

THE Chris Coon @Coondawg68
First they came for Charles C Johnson
Then they came for R.S McCain
Then they came for Milo
Now they've come for @instapundit
7:20 AM - 22 Sep 2016

And nothing of value was lost. :rejoice

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Post by: Syph on September 22, 2016, 03:44:09 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2016, 03:40:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 22, 2016, 01:40:14 PM

Quote

THE Chris Coon @Coondawg68
First they came for Charles C Johnson
Then they came for R.S McCain
Then they came for Milo
Now they've come for @instapundit
7:20 AM - 22 Sep 2016

And nothing of value was lost. :rejoice

i only know one of those names but free speech

also the between two ferns video was great hildog should show that side of her more often

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Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2016, 03:46:07 PM

Quote from: Syph on September 22, 2016, 03:44:09 PM

also the between two ferns video was great hildog should show that side of her more often

heavily scripted banter with edits? can be hard to do in person

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 22, 2016, 04:05:39 PM

benji I like you, don't make me murder you in the digital realm

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Post by: VomKriege on September 22, 2016, 05:19:33 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on September 22, 2016, 01:02:36 PM

We've currently got an incubator for that in Libya. Current models show rise of JFS, multiple governments, and more profits for bomb makers.

Yeah that's my point. Lebanon is deeply affected by this, Turkey is not changing for the better and Israël is unwilling or unable to weight in. Irak is fucked too... That's a whole lot of broken states on NATO and EU doorstep and that's not conclusive to weakening islamist violent group (though IS monopoly might be broken). Adding Lybia and Afghanistan, Egypt and Iran are also engulfed by more rogue elements...

Kicking the can 10 years down the road is maybe the only thing that can be done but man... It's not great.

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Post by: Syph on September 22, 2016, 07:04:29 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 22, 2016, 04:05:39 PM

benji I like you, don't make me murder you in the digital realm

shadow realm

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Post by: benjipwns on September 22, 2016, 08:31:04 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 22, 2016, 04:05:39 PM

benji I like you, don't make me murder you in the digital realm

Clintonista turning to murder in order to hide inconvenient facts? Who could have seen that coming?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2016, 10:15:39 AM

Quote from: Syph on September 22, 2016, 03:44:09 PM

i only know one of those names but free speech

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the tweets of patriots

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2016, 11:32:28 AM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/omarosa-manigault-trump-critics-will-bow-down

Thanks Obama.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 23, 2016, 12:02:56 PM

Textbook blowback.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on September 23, 2016, 12:04:10 PM

Seriously though, can you imagine how it would feel to be made fun of by the President of the United States while people cheer for several minutes?

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 23, 2016, 01:04:04 PM

when patronage gets awesome. (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/mark-cuban-front-row-debate)

I hope Mr. Cuban is loudly eating popcorn every time Donald speaks.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on September 23, 2016, 02:49:20 PM

Has nothing to do with Cuban but these debates are gonna be a nightmare. The crowd will be hooting and hollering like they are at a jv pep rally when these candidates go for they cutsie fuck you lines.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/report-ted-cruz-planning-to-cuck-himself-1787008316

(http://i.imgur.com/UjCXBK4.jpg)

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Post by: VomKriege on September 23, 2016, 04:22:44 PM

Cruz can't even hara kiri properly  :lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2016, 05:53:59 PM

Cruz, buddy, what are ya doing?

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Post by: Dennis on September 23, 2016, 10:58:38 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2016, 05:53:59 PM

Cruz, buddy, what are ya doing?

What he was born to do. Grovel.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on September 24, 2016, 01:17:31 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2016, 05:53:59 PM

Cruz, buddy, what are ya doing?

Trailing to Rick Perry in early 2018 primary polls, mostly

 :sabu

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Post by: Syph on September 24, 2016, 02:47:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztmF73bri_s

ayyyyyy

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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 24, 2016, 05:41:37 AM

yyyyyyyyawn

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 24, 2016, 12:20:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhR41lsEJY

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 24, 2016, 01:45:31 PM

Take notes Pallando
:whew

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Post by: Trent Dole on September 24, 2016, 03:42:48 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 24, 2016, 12:20:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXhR41lsEJY

'Gary Johnson (L)' really says it all, doesn't it? :teehee

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 24, 2016, 04:42:21 PM

:lol

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 24, 2016, 05:10:56 PM

Looks like Marc Cuban and Gennifer Flowers (https://twitter.com/gennflowers/status/779764506146680832) are going to be at the front row of Monday's debate

The levels of fuckery are already off the charts but damn

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 24, 2016, 06:42:45 PM

Cuban's been going all in against Trump and it's great.

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Post by: Tasty on September 24, 2016, 11:54:52 PM

(https://i.imgur.com/u2vsw6Bl.png)

Senpai noticed me :uguu

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 25, 2016, 12:27:37 AM

She hates to say you are amazing but does so anyways because you paid her.  What a shill. 

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Post by: thisismyusername on September 25, 2016, 09:12:19 AM

So what you're saying is, Hillary is a high-dollar hooker? :doge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 25, 2016, 09:25:33 AM

You implying that her email to Tasty was sexual?  Makes sense with Tasty being gay and Hilary heavily rumored to be gay. 

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Post by: Dennis on September 25, 2016, 11:04:32 AM

I am guessing his advisors are telling Trump 50 times per day: "You MUST look and act presidential for the debate"

He will probably get heated though.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2016, 11:11:25 AM

Well he hasn't done any prep work or mock debates so...

I'm sure he can get away with a lot of generic, vague answers ("Syria is a mess, Obama and Hillary aren't leading. When I'm president we're going to lead again, and win again. We have to fix that mess.") there will also be some very specific questions asked, He's going to look unprepared and stupid.

I guess the question is whether the media discusses it. I feel confident saying he's going to put on the worse debate performance (in terms of having a general understanding of issues) in the modern era. You can't convince me he's going to do better than Kerry, Obama, McCain, Romney, Carter, etc etc on basic issues. And yet I wouldn't be stunned if the responses are: "defiant...strong...didn't back down...held his own, on his own terms...etc."

I want to say he bombs, the media admits it, polls show he lost bad, and Trump responds by refusing to attend the second debate due to the system being rigged.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on September 25, 2016, 11:18:04 AM

I doubt he will dip out on further debates. That would make him look like a coward and that's the last thing a dude with his ego would stand. He will do the same as he always does. He will bluster and bluff his way through the debates and nobody will challenge him that what he is saying is bullshit because nobody has done it the entire time. The people who like him will point out how he is "speaking the truth" and the people on the other side will point out that he's talking bullshit.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 25, 2016, 11:47:03 AM

Mainstream media will call him on it and it won't matter to his core voters. I expect Trump will do his act (Nasty or subdued, whatever variation) and that they will debate over each other head. He'll probably try to call out Clinton out on political jargon / bullshit, he is good at that. His whole schtick will be to paint her as an out of touch member of the establishment, she needs to strike a good balance between schooling him on politics but appearing approachable. Call him out too, but I suspect she should avoid to go down at his level.

I want to believe that quitting midway would hurt him though, it's not the 435th primary debate, I don't see him backing off but with Trump, who knows ? He would need a good spin.

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Post by: Syph on September 25, 2016, 05:02:17 PM

Quote from: Dennis on September 25, 2016, 11:04:32 AM

I am guessing his advisors are telling Trump 50 times per day: "You MUST look and act presidential for the debate"

He will probably get heated though.

i think it will come down to whether the public finds a bigger problem with trump constantly interrupting hillary or with hillary dodging every substantial question about her shortcomings
i can't imagine a scenario where he doesn't do all the debates. there would be less than a 0% chance he wins if that happened

also inb4 huffingtonpost and at least one other trash website posts an article after the debate about how trump interrupting hillary is sexist

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 25, 2016, 11:11:25 AM

I want to say he bombs, the media admits it, polls show he lost bad, and Trump responds by refusing to attend the second debate due to the system being rigged.

dont disagree with the rest of your post but this is wishful thinking haha (the second part anyway not that he wont potentially bomb)

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Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2016, 08:58:51 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtOKr_OXEAExpMh.jpg:large)

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Post by: Tasty on September 25, 2016, 09:47:45 PM

#HillarysAmerica

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 26, 2016, 12:21:34 AM

that pic gives me a sad :goty

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Post by: El Babua on September 26, 2016, 12:23:31 AM

Look at those upstanding women protesting Crooked Hillary by turning their backs towards her.

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Post by: OnlyRegret on September 26, 2016, 12:48:31 AM

#turnyourbackonkillary

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Post by: Dennis on September 26, 2016, 12:55:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/4olUpuh.gif)

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Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2016, 02:05:47 AM

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/26/13054816/trump-snapchat-filter-hillary-clinton-attack

This is what America's become.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 26, 2016, 03:01:52 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 26, 2016, 02:05:47 AM

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/26/13054816/trump-snapchat-filter-hillary-clinton-attack

This is what America's become.

:yeshrug
Didn't Obama run online ads in some Burnout or something ? That's fairly innocuous and no more tacky than buttons or such.

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Post by: daycru on September 26, 2016, 08:42:20 AM

Maureen Dowd is too sexy. Sexy against the law.

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Post by: james on September 26, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 26, 2016, 02:05:47 AM

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/26/13054816/trump-snapchat-filter-hillary-clinton-attack

This is what America's become.

The fact that the ONLY obvious political ad Ive seen this cycle was during the Olympics (Trump on Letterman and his ties) shows that Hillary Clintons team does not get it.

I am a modern millennial.

I am too young for radio.

I am too young  for TV.

But I am too old for the insta snaps and the twitter grams.

If you want me to see your ad, it needs to be on Hulu.

Theyre spending HOW MUCH and they cant serve me delicious soundbites?

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Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2016, 10:56:51 AM

Quote from: james on September 26, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 26, 2016, 02:05:47 AM

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/26/13054816/trump-snapchat-filter-hillary-clinton-attack

This is what America's become.

The fact that the ONLY obvious political ad Ive seen this cycle was during the Olympics (Trump on Letterman and his ties) shows that Hillary Clintons team does not get it.

I am a modern millennial.

I am too young for radio.

I am too young  for TV.

But I am too old for the insta snaps and the twitter grams.

If you want me to see your ad, it needs to be on Hulu.

Theyre spending HOW MUCH and they cant serve me delicious soundbites?

I'm sure they're chasing your vote.

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Post by: james on September 26, 2016, 11:06:19 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 26, 2016, 10:56:51 AM

Quote from: james on September 26, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 26, 2016, 02:05:47 AM

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/26/13054816/trump-snapchat-filter-hillary-clinton-attack

This is what America's become.

The fact that the ONLY obvious political ad Ive seen this cycle was during the Olympics (Trump on Letterman and his ties) shows that Hillary Clintons team does not get it.

I am a modern millennial.

I am too young for radio.

I am too young  for TV.

But I am too old for the insta snaps and the twitter grams.

If you want me to see your ad, it needs to be on Hulu.

Theyre spending HOW MUCH and they cant serve me delicious soundbites?

I'm sure they're chasing your vote.

Im registered at 6 addresses. They really should

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Post by: Dennis on September 26, 2016, 11:06:35 AM

Quote from: james on September 26, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

I am a modern millennial.

I am too young for radio.

I am too young  for TV.

But I am too old for the insta snaps and the twitter grams.

Just the right age for dank memes though.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 11:07:37 AM

Quote from: Dennis on September 26, 2016, 11:06:35 AM

Quote from: james on September 26, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

I am a modern millennial.

I am too young for radio.

I am too young  for TV.

But I am too old for the insta snaps and the twitter grams.

Just the right age for dank memes though.

Dicks out for Hillrambe

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 11:09:14 AM

I don't understand how FiveThirtyEight's model fluctuates so fucking much this election season

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Post by: brawndolicious on September 26, 2016, 12:25:16 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2016, 11:09:14 AM

I don't understand how FiveThirtyEight's model fluctuates so fucking much this election season

People are uncertain how Trump will do going into the debates which probably affects how likely they are to turn out. After the debate (I hope)  we'll see something a bigger gap. The best thing for Clinton to do is to quote Trump's own rhetoric on every issue and asks how he plans to live up to it. Do it over and over again.

His answers will all sound the same, just like with Rubio. Only dumber of course.

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Post by: james on September 26, 2016, 12:35:40 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2016, 11:09:14 AM

I don't understand how FiveThirtyEight's model fluctuates so fucking much this election season

People like you keep clicking on it.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on September 26, 2016, 12:45:03 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2016, 11:09:14 AM

I don't understand how FiveThirtyEight's model fluctuates so fucking much this election season

How many times have you clicked on it? There you go.

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Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2016, 01:25:13 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 26, 2016, 12:25:16 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2016, 11:09:14 AM

I don't understand how FiveThirtyEight's model fluctuates so fucking much this election season

People are uncertain how Trump will do going into the debates which probably affects how likely they are to turn out. After the debate (I hope)  we'll see something a bigger gap. The best thing for Clinton to do is to quote Trump's own rhetoric on every issue and asks how he plans to live up to it. Do it over and over again.

His answers will all sound the same, just like with Rubio. Only dumber of course.

The GOP had a great commercial that was basically that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkSRJSUY0vs

This could easily be rebranded as a Hillary ad and it'd be pretty effective.

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Post by: studyguy on September 26, 2016, 03:23:39 PM

Mark Cuban gonna be front row like.
 :umad

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Post by: headwalk on September 26, 2016, 04:35:33 PM

going to watch some yank TV news channel to get me in the mood.

which is the most neutral and which are the most hysterical from either camp? i want a proper buffet.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 26, 2016, 04:44:08 PM

Hannity has become a prop for the Trump campaign, so I guess there's that.
Alex Jones if you want to go down the rabbit hole (and end up on some watchlist).

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Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 06:42:11 PM

Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-she-likable-enough/2016/09/23/5c8fd252-80e0-11e6-a52d-9a865a0ed0d4_story.html

Clinton’s caution stems in part from her conclusion that the public would believe almost anything derogatory about her, friends and aides agreed. As first lady, according to a close friend, Clinton was on a small plane with a staffer who was reading aloud a magazine story that repeated an accusation that Clinton had had sex with a colleague.

Clinton’s eyes filled with tears and she said, “It really says I had sex with a collie?”

The staffer quickly corrected her boss: “No, a colleague!”

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Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 06:42:47 PM

Quote

“It’s unfair to ask for Hillary both to play traffic cop with Trump, make sure that his lies are corrected, and also to present her vision for what she wants to do for the American people,” Robby Mook said on ABC’s “This Week.”

When pressed by host George Stephanopoulos that that’s “what a debater is supposed to do,” Mr. Mook said this case is “special.”

“Well, I think Donald Trump’s special,” Mr. Mook said. “We haven’t seen anything like this. We normally go into a debate with two candidates who have a depth of experience, who have rolled out clear, concrete plans, and who don’t lie, frankly, as frequently as Donald Trump does.”

“So we’re saying this is a special circumstance, a special debate, and Hillary should be given some time to actually talk about what she wants to do to make a difference in people’s lives,” he continued. “She shouldn’t have to spend the whole debate correcting the record.”

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Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 06:47:51 PM

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/780111718886309888

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http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/there-is-no-true-unemployment-rate/

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Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2016, 07:15:57 PM

stealing tweets from... James Taranto now?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 07:24:35 PM

Did he tweet it too?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mandark on September 26, 2016, 07:37:48 PM

I just did a twitter search to see where it came from, since I figure you don't actually read Krugman.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 08:01:43 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=855Am6ovK7s

debate in 1 hour

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 26, 2016, 08:02:28 PM

Quote from: headwalk on September 26, 2016, 04:35:33 PM

going to watch some yank TV news channel to get me in the mood.

which is the most neutral

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(http://ohgm.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/laughing-girls-collage.jpg)

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 08:26:11 PM

(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/syGpAjs3aSRP8nZSxV6hlEpfO6M=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/7166245/msnbc.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 08:59:09 PM

Okay Hilldawg, please don't fuck this up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:03:02 PM

https://plug.dj/the-bore

Jump in, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:03:38 PM

 Stoke the base, expand the tent.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:04:06 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/news2/interactives/breaking/us-presidential-debate-sept-26/  better stream

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 09:06:10 PM

Well this should be interesting  :leon

Good stream: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/

Not too familliar on US politics tho

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:07:24 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKK4KmDlj8U

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:07:54 PM

lol trumps face

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:09:46 PM

No thanks for having me opener?  tisk tisk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 09:11:50 PM

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/They-Took-Our-Jobs-South-Park.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:12:30 PM

Trump's answer was good (for republicans)


trumped up trickle down smh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 09:12:41 PM

lol Trumped Up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 09:15:07 PM

Everytime Trump says "They are taking our jobs" I'm making it a rule to myself to toke up  :mynicca

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mupepe on September 26, 2016, 09:15:25 PM

"very small loan"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Register for the Hillary Clinton Death Pool
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 09:16:38 PM

Quote from: james on September 26, 2016, 09:56:57 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 26, 2016, 02:05:47 AM

http://www.theverge.com/2016/9/26/13054816/trump-snapchat-filter-hillary-clinton-attack

This is what America's become.

The fact that the ONLY obvious political ad Ive seen this cycle was during the Olympics (Trump on Letterman and his ties) shows that Hillary Clintons team does not get it.

I am a modern millennial.

I am too young for radio.

I am too young  for TV.

But I am too old for the insta snaps and the twitter grams.

If you want me to see your ad, it needs to be on Hulu.

Theyre spending HOW MUCH and they cant serve me delicious soundbites?

lol god you're an asshole

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:17:19 PM

'thats called buisness'  owwwwwww

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:18:33 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 09:17:19 PM

'thats called buisness'  owwwwwww

Yoooooo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: archie4208 on September 26, 2016, 09:20:08 PM

Trump is doing fucking terrible lul.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:20:16 PM

Did Trump just reference Solyndra? LMAO

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:20:18 PM

Uh did he just brag about profiting off the housing bubble? Right when Hillary is describing job and housing losses?  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:20:55 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:20:18 PM

Uh did he just brag about profiting off the housing bubble? Right when Hillary is describing job and housing losses?  :lol

Yeah, but she let him off the hook on it a bit.  Didn't hammer him when he said it...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:22:00 PM

Quote from: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:20:55 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:20:18 PM

Uh did he just brag about profiting off the housing bubble? Right when Hillary is describing job and housing losses?  :lol

Yeah, but she let him off the hook on it a bit.  Didn't hammer him when he said it...

Given the slow circle down the drain I don't think it's necessary lmao

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:22:29 PM

NAFTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf  :paul

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:23:08 PM

We Ross Perot now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:23:56 PM

I take it Lester is snapchatting this right now  :clap

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:24:22 PM

Trump does not look happy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:24:44 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:23:56 PM

I take it Lester is snapchatting this right now  :clap

I think he's in the bathroom.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:25:30 PM

Cut taxes bigly!

Cut regulations bigly!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:25:57 PM

lol this is a mess

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:26:36 PM

lol Lester grow a pair

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:26:57 PM

ENTIRE ADULT LIFE!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:27:02 PM

WTF

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:27:14 PM

"No wonder you've been fighting ISIS your entire adult life!"

wut

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mupepe on September 26, 2016, 09:27:17 PM

What a fucking mess.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:28:00 PM

Is this real life, brehs?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 09:28:07 PM

Is this guy seriously the dumbest person to ever run for president?


(http://cdn.collider.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/donald-trump-president-camacho-idiocracy-slice-600x200.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 09:28:41 PM

This is going as well as expected

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:30:33 PM

Lesters mic is working ... sorta

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:33:55 PM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385

(http://i.imgur.com/oFKmBPj.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:35:17 PM

If she releases emails that don't exist anymore, I'll release my taxes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: eleuin on September 26, 2016, 09:35:46 PM

People cheering about the emails  :cmonson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:36:19 PM

Smart people don't pay taxes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: chronovore on September 26, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 06:42:11 PM

Quote from: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/is-she-likable-enough/2016/09/23/5c8fd252-80e0-11e6-a52d-9a865a0ed0d4_story.html

Clinton’s caution stems in part from her conclusion that the public would believe almost anything derogatory about her, friends and aides agreed. As first lady, according to a close friend, Clinton was on a small plane with a staffer who was reading aloud a magazine story that repeated an accusation that Clinton had had sex with a colleague.

Clinton’s eyes filled with tears and she said, “It really says I had sex with a collie?”

The staffer quickly corrected her boss: “No, a colleague!”

Working that Mary Queen of Scots angle way earlier than needed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:36:48 PM

'that makes me smart'  fuck this dude

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:37:01 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:36:19 PM

Smart people don't pay taxes.

That makes me smart

:leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:38:10 PM

So are we gonna do Benghazi too or nah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 09:38:20 PM

this is an absolute shit show.  He is an embarrassment

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:38:25 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/uVALygp.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:38:53 PM

What the hell is Trump even talking about.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 09:39:10 PM

Isn't not 650 million, it's 3.9 billion in buildings, ask my friends, it's not that much money, it's.... look at the disclosures...

It's... 20 trillion dollars! We're a mess we haven't even started! Third world country!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mupepe on September 26, 2016, 09:39:17 PM

I'm not very enthusiastic about Hillary, but damn if this didn't motivate me to make sure to vote for her. 

And what the fuck is he babbling about now?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 09:40:10 PM

It looks like six

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:40:28 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:38:53 PM

What the hell is Trump even talking about.

Goodness. Tremendous goodness. China. Quatar. Roads. Jobs. Mexico. Smartness. Deader nations. New. Your ideas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:40:54 PM

Bigly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 09:41:05 PM

she's crushing it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 09:41:32 PM

MAYBE HE DID A SHIT JOB

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:41:53 PM

"Maybe I wasn't satisfied with the work that he did."

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:42:04 PM

lol dude is just shitting on the working class left and right.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:42:16 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2016, 09:41:05 PM

she's crushing it

She's doing okay.  Let's not go crazy here.   I think she could hit him more on his fuckup statements, but she's letting it slide a bit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:43:27 PM

Certain laws  :snob :success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 09:43:39 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:43:27 PM

Certain laws  :snob :success

This fucking dude

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mupepe on September 26, 2016, 09:44:28 PM

The worst thing is that I know tomorrow at work I'm going to hear "Trump really gave it to Hillary last night!" :comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 09:44:37 PM

Quote from: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:42:16 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2016, 09:41:05 PM

she's crushing it

She's doing okay.  Let's not go crazy here.   I think she could hit him more on his fuckup statements, but she's letting it slide a bit.

there is still more debates.  If she hits to hard now its harder to get a knockout latter. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:44:43 PM

Workers have no idea what they are doing :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:45:12 PM

Our country is behind schedule, let's hurry up and finish this thing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 09:45:19 PM

Now we're on race. God help us.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 09:45:39 PM

Here is where she should shine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:46:44 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 26, 2016, 09:44:28 PM

The worst thing is that I know tomorrow at work I'm going to hear "Trump really gave it to Hillary last night!" :comeon

I'm going to get that from Canadian coworkers who didn't even watch the debate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:47:30 PM

LAW & ORDER, BITCHES!

Lester Holt: "How do you heal race relations?"

Donald Trump: "Here's some Nixionian dogwhistles."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:47:51 PM

Law & Order was pretty good, don't really care for SVU as much.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 09:48:24 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on September 26, 2016, 09:44:28 PM

The worst thing is that I know tomorrow at work I'm going to hear "Trump really gave it to Hillary last night!" :comeon

Maybe they were watching this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=trs5KRAaokU

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Quote

Guy3 months ago
Well this is just ridiculous, I can't believe someone would make a mockery of out presidential candidates like this. I'm going to have to watch this video to see just how horrible it really is. If anyone has the link just post it on here somewhere. Terrible.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:49:11 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:47:51 PM

Law & Order was pretty good, don't really care for SVU as much.

Eliot stabler is a l0rd shut your slut mouth

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:49:47 PM

A very against police judge.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:50:01 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:49:11 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:47:51 PM

Law & Order was pretty good, don't really care for SVU as much.

Eliot stabler is a l0rd shut your slut mouth

No Sam Waterston, though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:50:07 PM

Take guns away!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 09:50:20 PM

Wow this fucking guy

Chicago..its terrible I have property there..its terrible!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 09:50:27 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:49:47 PM

A very against police judge.

The best words

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:50:37 PM

Sure, let's just let Trump talk for ten minutes straight now, wtf.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:50:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:50:01 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:49:11 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:47:51 PM

Law & Order was pretty good, don't really care for SVU as much.

Eliot stabler is a l0rd shut your slut mouth

No Sam Waterston, though.

Im not Demi

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:52:30 PM

Ugh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 09:52:39 PM

Quote from: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 09:50:37 PM

Sure, let's just let Trump talk for ten minutes straight now, wtf.

I'm fine with that.  He just rambled about stop and frisk and made himself look like a joke.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 09:52:54 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:50:50 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:50:01 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:49:11 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 09:47:51 PM

Law & Order was pretty good, don't really care for SVU as much.

Eliot stabler is a l0rd shut your slut mouth

No Sam Waterston, though.

Im not Demi

Is this because I'm a lesbian?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 09:54:58 PM

this is nauseating

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 09:55:58 PM

Hillary's response to implicit bias was pretty good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 09:56:46 PM

Yeah, but Hillary's the real racist tho.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 09:58:02 PM

"nah murder is up"

THE FUCK  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 09:58:26 PM

lester is such a pussy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: eleuin on September 26, 2016, 09:58:30 PM

all this time for trump probably makes him look good to the average dumbass

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:59:21 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 09:58:26 PM

lester is such a pussy

Dudes a bumbling mess. Looks like a goober in that suit too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 09:59:54 PM

here we fuckin go

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:00:20 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:59:21 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 09:58:26 PM

lester is such a pussy

Dudes a bumbling mess. Looks like a goober in that suit too.

The real issues have finally been brought up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:00:24 PM

And here comes the birther question.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:00:44 PM

... is he going to blame someone else for saying Obama is non an American?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 10:01:26 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:00:20 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 09:59:21 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 09:58:26 PM

lester is such a pussy

Dudes a bumbling mess. Looks like a goober in that suit too.

The real issues have finally been brought up.

The fit is all wrong! :fabulous

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:02:13 PM

Jesus what is he saying?

"I've developed really really really good relationships over the last....little while.."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 10:02:23 PM

It was Sidney Bloomenthal  :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:02:26 PM

Trump: "Yeah, I did it, who cares?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 10:02:36 PM

Okay, Lester earning his paycheque here.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:04:52 PM

that's a hammer

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:06:18 PM

Hey... we settled the lawsuits with no admission of guilt! See?
MOOOOSLIMS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:06:34 PM

we settled with no admission of guilt.  It was easy to do. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:06:44 PM

He didn't admit guilt, so it's okay!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:06:54 PM

I cannot begin to describe the hatred I have for this man

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:07:15 PM

NO ADMISSION OF GUILT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:07:41 PM

I opened a club with no discrimination and I got great credit for it.  lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:07:46 PM

More *sniffs* than Wheel of Time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:07:46 PM

I can run a tremendously successful club in Palm Beach, I can be President.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:10:14 PM

why does he keep bragging about his endorsements?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 10:10:17 PM

That just happened  8)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:10:27 PM

JUST ENDORSED BY VANILLA ICE.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:10:30 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 26, 2016, 10:10:14 PM

why does he keep bragging about his endorsements?

What else does he have?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:10:31 PM

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEMAILS


OMG FOUR HUNDRED POUNDS FUCKING LOL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 10:11:04 PM

I tapped out. This is draining my soul.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:11:39 PM

this is a hysterically bad performance  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:11:47 PM

lol fat people

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:11:57 PM

400 POUNDS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: toku on September 26, 2016, 10:11:58 PM

ICE? Fuck Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ik76kjLPKWY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:12:09 PM

My 10 year old son is so good with computers

the cyber

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:12:22 PM

I've got to do better cyber.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2016, 10:12:30 PM

Queen is fucking slaying tonight. This is your Kaleesi. Bow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 26, 2016, 10:12:38 PM

ISIS's memes are danker than ours

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:12:42 PM

do cyber better. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:13:08 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 10:12:42 PM

do cyber better.

a/s/l?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:14:02 PM

Quote from: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:13:08 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 10:12:42 PM

do cyber better.

a/s/l?

16/f/Moscow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:14:57 PM

Quote from: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:13:08 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 10:12:42 PM

do cyber better.

a/s/l?

10/son/NYC

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:15:06 PM

Trump basically isn't even listening to Lester anymore.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:15:07 PM

ISIS was not formed in the vacuum you fucking asshole

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:15:21 PM

Warcrimes, boooooiiiis!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:15:28 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:14:02 PM

Quote from: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:13:08 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 10:12:42 PM

do cyber better.

a/s/l?

16/f/Moscow

Good evening tovarisch

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:15:45 PM

we should have taken the oil :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:16:11 PM

wwwwwwrrrrawng

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 10:15:45 PM

we should have taken the oil :lol

Another weak point she's not hitting him on though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:17:09 PM

Like let each soldier fill a canteen and take it back with them. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 26, 2016, 10:17:33 PM

i need to rebrand myself as a cyber-something, any suggestions?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:17:51 PM

I doubt NATO is the longest military alliance in the history of the world, fact checkers pls.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:18:02 PM

Quote from: Boogie on September 26, 2016, 10:16:55 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 10:15:45 PM

we should have taken the oil :lol

Another weak point she's not hitting him on though.

Yeah, that's fair.  I think she's hitting him hardest on the easiest headline stories, though.  That birther shit was golden.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:18:08 PM

aren't you already a cyber-something? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:19:30 PM

They don't focus on TERRA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:19:35 PM

TERRA DIVSION

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 10:19:46 PM

son just said lesser nato countries should pay protection money lololololol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:19:53 PM

terra

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:20:09 PM

Is this dude trying to speak Latin? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 10:20:17 PM

I'm about to cyber :nsfw  myself right now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:20:26 PM

BUHLEEVE ME

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:20:37 PM

His pivot to Latinos. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:20:54 PM

Quote from: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 10:20:17 PM

I'm about to cyber :nsfw  myself right now

 :phil

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:21:20 PM

I dunno maybe, who knows, essentially

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:21:24 PM

Now Trump is arguing with Lester. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 10:21:34 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 26, 2016, 10:17:33 PM

i need to rebrand myself as a cyber-something, any suggestions?

Ur not fat enough, poser bitch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on September 26, 2016, 10:21:42 PM

Will someone please go to Hannity?!?!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 10:22:00 PM

omg stern invoked in a fuckin presidential debate #whatatime

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:22:29 PM

Read THE ARTICLE! It was a big article.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:22:33 PM

lol I'm not lying just ask Sean Hannity about our private conversations. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:22:36 PM

Gotta go to Hannity for this fact check

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:22:40 PM

bababooey howards sterns penis bababooey

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: eleuin on September 26, 2016, 10:23:06 PM

Holt needs to grow some balls

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:23:13 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:23:16 PM

Trump has a better temperament than Hillary? :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 26, 2016, 10:23:47 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 10:21:34 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 26, 2016, 10:17:33 PM

i need to rebrand myself as a cyber-something, any suggestions?

Ur not fat enough, poser bitch.

goddammit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:24:00 PM

"I have a better temperment" Trump said as he yells at the moderator.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:25:08 PM

Shut up, you fucking bitch Lester. My temperament is the best, bigly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:25:16 PM

Secretary Clinton you were behind the BLUE SCREEN talking to some guy from the AFFLCIO - You were out of control!

Additionally blowing up sailors wouldn't start a war.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:27:48 PM

this is legitimately nonsensical.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:27:53 PM

THE NUCLEAR.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:28:58 PM

I agree it is the single greatest thread ... 1 minute ago ... you and your president think global warming is the biggest threat.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 26, 2016, 10:29:10 PM

CHINA SHOULD GO INTO NORTH KOREA OMG THIS IS AWESOME

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 10:29:37 PM

China should totally take out North Korea   :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:29:37 PM

china should go into north korea :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:29:42 PM

Iran should also invade North Korea.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:29:54 PM

secretary curry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:30:15 PM

China should be the world police. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:30:24 PM

Wait, I thought NAFTA was the worst?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:30:40 PM

Iran should be the world police

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:31:25 PM

This debate was only supposed to be 90 minutes, but they've barely started on the third segment.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:32:45 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/f1RRULA.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:34:25 PM

TREMENDOUS STAMINA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:35:09 PM

Hillary got him with that

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:35:32 PM

hillary has experience but its bad experience

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:35:55 PM

Donald Trump has no experience but it's great experience.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:36:24 PM

I love how when ever he runs out of examples he goes 'there are to many examples to say'

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:37:36 PM

holy shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:37:37 PM

I was gonna be a awful person, but I wasn't, can I has president?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:37:50 PM

his sassy headshake :lol


OMG I was going to say something bad but I didn't I'm so good :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:38:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dinCqrw4xFg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:38:50 PM

lol, he's not even going to answer

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:39:04 PM

dude doesn't want to accept defeat

he's the worst fucking person

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:39:42 PM

Good Lord, Trump is such a trash fire.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:40:11 PM

Good night and God bless. Please.  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 10:40:12 PM

Wow! What a time to be alive!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:40:32 PM

OMG no handsake

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:40:40 PM

O there we go

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:42:34 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/cC1pRhE.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 10:43:47 PM

CBC killing Donald :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: MMaRsu on September 26, 2016, 10:43:58 PM

 :leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: stufte on September 26, 2016, 10:44:47 PM

Well that was a thing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Syph on September 26, 2016, 10:44:53 PM

Interesting debate. However, it's over. Hillary wins the election.

Donald came off much better than usual, and gave way better answers than I thought (relative to earlier iterations of himself). However, despite his relative calmness, he was still defeated by his inability to not ramble.
All Hillary had to do was keep her mouth shut and not play into his bullshit, and she did that well.
I think we may see maybe a 1 point bump for Trump based solely on the fact he didn't absolutely lose his shit, but that could very well coincide with a similar bump for Hillary.

Barring something unforeseeable like the biggest most damaging leak yet or a terrorist attack, I think it's over.
gg.
 :usacry


edit: can you imagine Rubio or Romney on that stage though? Goddamnit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 10:44:57 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on September 26, 2016, 10:43:47 PM

CBC killing Donald :lol

Tom Brokaw and Chuck Todd were ragging on him, too.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 26, 2016, 10:45:34 PM

This analyst on NBC is a dummy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2016, 10:50:26 PM

Trump was a big fat mess.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 26, 2016, 10:53:38 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/h2zZclE.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 10:58:11 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlackPplVines/status/780587745643298816/video/1

:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 26, 2016, 10:59:34 PM

WOW

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 26, 2016, 11:00:56 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on September 26, 2016, 10:58:09 PM

I felt like Trump actually was able to make Clinton falter very early on to very easy bullshit.

 Within seconds he got completely decimated all the way through the end of the debate and resorted to word salad and frustrated bullshit.

 Lester Holt was largely useless.

 Hillary looks better and more in control when she isn't always smiling.

 Hillary won.

But Trump has the better temperament.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 11:03:12 PM

I think the thing everybody is missing is just exactly what this debate will do going forward. First of all, [candidate] won overwhelmingly, it wasn't even close as [candidate] had a complete command of the issues and [candidate] had nothing but gotcha responses. Even with both [candidate] and [moderator] against them, [candidate] continued to dominate each issue and refocus the debates to the important policy questions. You could tell at times that [moderator] was surprised and impressed at how well [candidate] was handling the debates and continuing a withering attack on [candidate] even as [candidate] tried to distract away from [candidate]'s incredible flaws and corruption compared to [candidate]'s long service to the country.

It'll be interesting to see just how much of a boost [candidate] gets from this, as it was so lopsided we haven't had a debate like this where one candidate so clearly won when viewed objectively. Once all the media and politicos distill through the noise their overwhelming consensus that [candidate] won will almost surely push [candidate] into a strong polling advantage. Unless there is a drastic change in the race through outside factors, [candidate] should continue to control the future debates and seal up [candidate]'s victory as [candidate] flounders and falls farther and farther in the hole. Not even [moderator] and [moderator] will be able to save [candidate] from the principled and intellectual assault [candidate] deploys.

This will be remembered as the night [candidate] won the [year] election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 11:04:15 PM

Trump talks like I write.  I'd vote for him. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: El Babua on September 26, 2016, 11:06:09 PM

Those *sniffs* from trump tho

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 11:10:42 PM

https://twitter.com/Seinfeld2000/status/780598246208962560

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 11:10:48 PM

Quote from: El Babua on September 26, 2016, 11:06:09 PM

Those *sniffs* from trump tho

Seriously. Did he do a few lines of coke before the debate or something?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 11:12:10 PM

That was a keyboard mell function.  I might have said otherwise other times, I think it was 6 or maybe it was 5 other times, there are too many times, but look, talk to Sean Hannity, I said, and know oen wants to talk to Sean Hannity about this, I said 'Its the keyboard.  We need better keyboards' and you bet I can get better keyboards, bacause I once owned a keyboard buisness shares for which i got great credit for and the the league of keyboarders is going to indoores me next week. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: headwalk on September 26, 2016, 11:15:49 PM

reminded me of one of his speeches, but without the cheering. same ad-libbed abe simpson rants.

hillary:

1. didn't die
2. gave him plenty of rope to hang himself

if the polls don't budge after this then short of him wanking off at the podium and making monkey noises during every time obama is mentioned i'm not sure how you can hurt him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 11:22:16 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 11:10:48 PM

Quote from: El Babua on September 26, 2016, 11:06:09 PM

Those *sniffs* from trump tho

Seriously. Did he do a few lines of coke before the debate or something?

stealing tweets from howard dean now? https://twitter.com/GovHowardDean/status/780588448470163456

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 26, 2016, 11:26:05 PM

I'm still laughing over taking the oil and China going into North Korea.  Neocons must be opening veins as we speak. 

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Post by: Atramental on September 26, 2016, 11:40:39 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on September 26, 2016, 10:58:11 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/BlackPplVines/status/780587745643298816/video/1

:whew

Wow. :dead

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Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 11:44:24 PM

Kellyanne Conway says Trump was disappointed there wasn't more opportunity to discuss policy as that is his strength and Hillary tries to avoid it.

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Post by: Atramental on September 26, 2016, 11:45:57 PM

Quote from: Dennis on September 26, 2016, 12:55:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/4olUpuh.gif)

This is more-or-less what happened tonight. :doge

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Post by: Boredfrom on September 26, 2016, 11:47:33 PM

Was a shitshow, but I enjoy it. Hillary robotic demanour actually helped against Joe Quimbys Trump. She won the debate. Whatever if that is enough for the US is anyone guess but I must say... whoa, Trump seems to be totally unprepared for the job.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 26, 2016, 11:49:58 PM

Trump is not only unprepared, but he staunchly refused to actually do any work to prepare.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 26, 2016, 11:53:31 PM

Idk guys online polls say trump won so

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 26, 2016, 11:57:42 PM

:drudge
(http://i227.photobucket.com/albums/dd58/bizarrosgr/052888D3-C601-4582-92E4-31245CF11111.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 11:58:20 PM

Can online polls be attacked by 400lb Cybers sitting on their bed?

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Post by: Boredfrom on September 27, 2016, 12:03:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 26, 2016, 11:58:20 PM

Can online polls be attacked by 400lb Cybers sitting on their bed?

When they dont?

Thought I can see why the Internet would be in love with Trump, I mean I also thought Hillary felt in love with him in the middle of his birther rant.

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Post by: helios on September 27, 2016, 12:05:10 AM

Probably because she was fighting ISIS her entire adult life.

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Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 12:08:46 AM

Quote from: helios on September 27, 2016, 12:05:10 AM

Probably because she was fighting ISIS her entire adult life.

At least now we know what disease she has that she's been hiding from the media.

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Post by: Boredfrom on September 27, 2016, 12:09:19 AM

Quote from: helios on September 27, 2016, 12:05:10 AM

Probably because she was fighting ISIS her entire adult life.

Can love bloom on the battlefield?

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Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 12:16:09 AM

Quote

Bloomberg Politics
Rudy Giuliani told us that if he were Trump, he wouldn't do more debates bc of the moderator

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 27, 2016, 12:20:18 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 12:16:09 AM

Quote

Bloomberg Politics
Rudy Giuliani told us that if he were Trump, he wouldn't do more debates bc of the moderator

This was Trump's best opportunity.  Holt is a registered republican.  The next couple moderators are going to be even worse for him

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: brawndolicious on September 27, 2016, 12:36:22 AM

I listened to it and it was kinda disgusting in a beautiful way. I don't think she was on the defense for a single second and she gave him all the space he wanted. Like every single thing he said was awful.

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Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 27, 2016, 12:48:08 AM

that was distinguished mentally-challenged

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Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 27, 2016, 12:50:50 AM

https://twitter.com/joshmalina/status/780590171708207104

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Post by: Let's Cyber on September 27, 2016, 12:54:03 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 27, 2016, 12:36:22 AM

I listened to it and it was kinda disgusting in a beautiful way. I don't think she was on the defense for a single second and she gave him all the space he wanted. Like every single thing he said was awful.

yeah, I think it was a good strategy to just sit back and give Trump the rope to hang himself.   Watching some of the post-debate coverage, he's getting fact checked into the ground for the potpourri of nonsense he was spewing out.

 She also didn't want to fall into the trap of trying to out-bully Trump like Rubio, Cruz and Jeb! did

Getting the most time during the Republican debates was enough to push him over.  It might be what helps sinks him in the general.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: AdmiralViscen on September 27, 2016, 12:59:26 AM

She was masterful

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Post by: thisismyusername on September 27, 2016, 01:00:02 AM

Quote from: mojovonio on September 26, 2016, 10:51:27 PM

So Clinton won by staying quiet and letting Trump spew verbal diarhea.

 :usacry :usacry :usacry

Is anyone really surprised that's all she had to do?

Anyway:

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/780585273453346816

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2016, 01:09:14 AM

Quote from: AdmiralViscen on September 27, 2016, 12:59:26 AM

She was masterful

I pretty much agree with TPM's take: Trump had some control really early on, but Hillary completely controlled the debate by about 30 minutes in and just made Trump look like an ill-prepared fool for the next hour.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 01:44:00 AM

Trump started out fine. The minute Hillary brought up inheritance money he went insane and never recovered.
:dead

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Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2016, 01:46:43 AM

He's an idiot. He performed like an idiot.

It doesn't really matter. Most of his voters are idiots too so its moot.

The election is the same pre-debate as it was post-debate.

Hillary has a slight edge (and has always had) due to presidential voting demographics but there are enough idiots to always keep you scared that it could flip if things turn out really close.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 27, 2016, 01:55:32 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2016, 01:46:43 AM

He's an idiot. He performed like an idiot.

It doesn't really matter. Most of his voters are idiots too so its moot.

The election is the same pre-debate as it was post-debate.

Hillary has a slight edge (and has always had) due to presidential voting demographics but there are enough idiots to always keep you scared that it could flip if things turn out really close.

I don't buy this.  Sure, his supporters will not be convinced.  But the amount of undecideds is still quite large.  And I think her performance did really well with said undecideds.

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Post by: thisismyusername on September 27, 2016, 02:01:05 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2016, 01:46:43 AM

He's an idiot. He performed like an idiot.

It doesn't really matter. Most of his voters are idiots too so its moot.

The election is the same pre-debate as it was post-debate.

Hillary has a slight edge (and has always had) due to presidential voting demographics but there are enough idiots to always keep you scared that it could flip if things turn out really close.

That's what I'm thinking. We'll see how much of a bump Clinton gets from this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still a toss-up because most of the Trump voters are already decided and undecideds either skip out and/or don't pay attention until the end to where a lot of his bad points will just be handwaved away quickly for the stuff they stand for. :/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 02:03:13 AM

That was a disaster for Trump. He'll face negative headlines and stories all day. And it sounds like he's going to start talking about Bill's affairs. It's not good for him, come on.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2016, 02:08:41 AM

We'll see how the polling goes. I'd be more than happpy to see a bump. I'm just not overly expecting one. The only time Trump has went to shit is when he basically attacked a grieving family. Everything else has generally been forgiven by people despite how odious. I don't think there was anything on that level tonight. Just his general idiocy which apparently doesn't faze a lot of people.

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Post by: brawndolicious on September 27, 2016, 02:27:07 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on September 27, 2016, 02:01:05 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2016, 01:46:43 AM

He's an idiot. He performed like an idiot.

It doesn't really matter. Most of his voters are idiots too so its moot.

The election is the same pre-debate as it was post-debate.

Hillary has a slight edge (and has always had) due to presidential voting demographics but there are enough idiots to always keep you scared that it could flip if things turn out really close.

That's what I'm thinking. We'll see how much of a bump Clinton gets from this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still a toss-up because most of the Trump voters are already decided and undecideds either skip out and/or don't pay attention until the end to where a lot of his bad points will just be handwaved away quickly for the stuff they stand for. :/

I think the Trump voters are just feeling like they were a demographic that was left behind in modern America. Which is why Trump tries so hard to claim bullshit things like that stop-and-frisk protects black people or that he had nothing to do with birtherism because he knows it would appeal to those blue collar whites who don't want to feel like they're voting for an actual racist.

But Clinton straight up called him a racist and he didn't say shit. I was only listening but it felt like he was just caught off-guard the second he got called on his bs. Clinton's focus wasn't on humiliating him like I was worried she might do, but rather on showing Americans how to spot a con artist. She probably won't convince many people to swing completely from right to left but I think a lot more people are going to walk away believing that Trump is not an option.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 27, 2016, 02:46:57 AM

You know, the silver lining of your cloud is really that Trump is maybe one of the most benign version of (far) right demagogue you could get, he's really not all that shrewd and sounds lazy (or undisciplined).

White working stiffs might be apathetic or even sympathetic to the racism, but they're not oblivious to their own interests : him being callous about the financial and housing crisis will not go too well with some of them, I hope.

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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on September 27, 2016, 02:53:07 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 27, 2016, 02:46:57 AM

You know, the silver lining of your cloud is really that Trump is maybe one of the most benign version of (far) right demagogue you could get, he's really not all that shrewd and sounds lazy (or undisciplined).

Benign version??? :confused pretty sure his whole thing has been courting the "Lee Atwater ppl who wanna say distinguished black fellow" crowd?

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Post by: VomKriege on September 27, 2016, 02:59:42 AM

Not benign in terms of what he promotes, but in the sense that a smarter dude would be way closer to actually winning it and wouldn't have provided such an awful performance yesterday.

EDIT : Though he's clearly paving the way for such a guy in 4 years...

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 27, 2016, 03:00:02 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 27, 2016, 02:46:57 AM

You know, the silver lining of your cloud is really that Trump is maybe one of the most benign version of (far) right demagogue you could get, he's really not all that shrewd and sounds lazy (or undisciplined).

White working stiffs might be apathetic or even sympathetic to the racism, but they're not oblivious to their own interests : him being callous about the financial and housing crisis will not go too well with some of them, I hope.

I think if the US got one of our European crazies they would have ran away with the presidency. Much better articulated etc.

Trump is so all over the place that even if you are toxic alt right you might not vote because he is clearly not up to the job.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 27, 2016, 04:06:33 AM

yeah, but by the virtue of 'Amurriccaaanns', a more polished, articulate, demonstrably smarter demagogue perhaps wouldn't win just because they're you know, visibly smart. Shithead voted for a shithead that was just like them. And in fact in this year's crop they were not lacking for options for polished and well spoken shitheadedry. Trump tore through them like paper exactly because they were politicians like any other, no matter how well they championed pretty much the same policies that Trump is for now.

Also, I'm liking these that are coming up.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtVRU1MVIAAYKyp.jpg)

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Post by: VomKriege on September 27, 2016, 04:27:36 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 27, 2016, 04:06:33 AM

yeah, but by the virtue of 'Amurriccaaanns', a more polished, articulate, demonstrably smarter demagogue perhaps wouldn't win just because they're you know, visibly smart. Shithead voted for a shithead that was just like them. And in fact in this year's crop they were not lacking for options for polished and well spoken shitheadedry. Trump tore through them like paper exactly because they were politicians like any other, no matter how well they championed pretty much the same policies that Trump is for now.

Also, I'm liking these that are coming up.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtVRU1MVIAAYKyp.jpg)

Don't doubt that a smart asshole could fake homey-ness and obfuscate stupidity. We know, we have them over there going at it for a couple decades now.
Trump is no Silvio and I'm glad & relieved for it.

Some commentary I listened to pointed out that healthcare, the wall, immigration, Benghazi or the Clinton Foundation weren't even brought up, is that correct ?

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Post by: VomKriege on September 27, 2016, 04:46:37 AM

Quote

“We’ve got Trump speaking to our own Sean Hannity,” M.Kelly explained. “We’ll see if he speaks to the journalists in this room after that interview.”

:dead

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 06:01:32 AM

Another reason I'm confident...Trump has been stuck at a ceiling of around 40-44% in national polls. He's not close to 50%, he's basically holding his base of white (mainly male) voters and that's literally it. Absolutely nothing he said or did tonight appealed to any group that could get him to 50%. I'm gonna just guess his performance turned women off, he continued to paint the entire black community like they live in Robocop era Detroit, he continued his attacks on immigration, etc.

The math simply does not work for him. If this was a legitimate three or four person race you could argue he was fine, but it's not. Johnson and Stein will follow the path of past 3rd party candidates and significantly under preform on Election Day. 

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Post by: nudemacusers on September 27, 2016, 08:34:57 AM

watched some "highlights" if you can call them that... wow, shit really went off the rails there huh? dude was just babbling at the end. the constant interruptions just made him look weak and inexperienced. dude is obviously not cut out to run with the big dogs in debate. was reading somewhere else, good point brought up: trump thus far has been shielded from having to expand much on policy due to sharing a stage with other jokers who, despite their failures, can mostly expand on their policy. all trump has to do in those situations is just toss barbs and counters. up there all by himself? lul.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: sarslip on September 27, 2016, 09:04:42 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/b6RrZH2.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: thisismyusername on September 27, 2016, 09:21:05 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 27, 2016, 02:27:07 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on September 27, 2016, 02:01:05 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2016, 01:46:43 AM

He's an idiot. He performed like an idiot.

It doesn't really matter. Most of his voters are idiots too so its moot.

The election is the same pre-debate as it was post-debate.

Hillary has a slight edge (and has always had) due to presidential voting demographics but there are enough idiots to always keep you scared that it could flip if things turn out really close.

That's what I'm thinking. We'll see how much of a bump Clinton gets from this, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's still a toss-up because most of the Trump voters are already decided and undecideds either skip out and/or don't pay attention until the end to where a lot of his bad points will just be handwaved away quickly for the stuff they stand for. :/

I think the Trump voters are just feeling like they were a demographic that was left behind in modern America. Which is why Trump tries so hard to claim bullshit things like that stop-and-frisk protects black people or that he had nothing to do with birtherism because he knows it would appeal to those blue collar whites who don't want to feel like they're voting for an actual racist.

But Clinton straight up called him a racist and he didn't say shit. I was only listening but it felt like he was just caught off-guard the second he got called on his bs. Clinton's focus wasn't on humiliating him like I was worried she might do, but rather on showing Americans how to spot a con artist. She probably won't convince many people to swing completely from right to left but I think a lot more people are going to walk away believing that Trump is not an option.

They are. It's how a lot of voters in Britain voted against the EU: "THEY TOOK OUR JOBS, THEY RAPE OUR WIMMINS, THEY ARE EVIL!"  I mean, it's known the recession recovery in rust-belt and other rural areas hasn't "bounced back" as well as economists want to say it has. So Trump's stump-speech of "make America great again!" resonates with them because their industries are gone and nothing came to replace them. They're hoping with him in office those industries come back.

Like I said, those voters are already pretty decided through thick or thin (though I haven't seen any of the Trump supports on my Facebook feed crowing for him this morning. :doge ) with him because they feel he's the answer to this problem more than raising their voices and getting that change to happen.

It's really the undecideds that are left (just look at CNN's feature on some  :doge) that are the toss-up.

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 06:01:32 AM

Another reason I'm confident...Trump has been stuck at a ceiling of around 40-44% in national polls. He's not close to 50%, he's basically holding his base of white (mainly male) voters and that's literally it. Absolutely nothing he said or did tonight appealed to any group that could get him to 50%. I'm gonna just guess his performance turned women off, he continued to paint the entire black community like they live in Robocop era Detroit, he continued his attacks on immigration, etc.

The math simply does not work for him. If this was a legitimate three or four person race you could argue he was fine, but it's not. Johnson and Stein will follow the path of past 3rd party candidates and significantly under preform on Election Day. 

Exactly. But we'll see. I don't underestimate the underclass that had their jobs outsourced/moved.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2016, 10:04:03 AM

Has anyone called Sean Hannity yet?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 27, 2016, 10:10:25 AM

Supposedly someone did and he hung up on them.

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Post by: VomKriege on September 27, 2016, 10:15:20 AM

Quote from: zomgee on September 27, 2016, 10:10:25 AM

Supposedly someone did and he hung up on them.

Keepin' it 1600 podcast, at the very end of yesterday show.
Former members of the Obama election team btw.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 10:47:10 AM

Hannity says he doesn't have the tape of Trump's anti war comments
:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2016, 10:51:06 AM

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/09/trump-doubles-down-attack-former-miss

ffs :picard

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2016, 11:04:30 AM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-miss-universe-gained-massive-amount-weight

Trump brought up Clinton's remarks about Alicia Machado, a former Miss Universe winner who Trump encouraged to lose weight after she won the crown in the 1990s, when he was asked if Clinton got under his skin. Trump said that Machado was the "absolute worst."

"She was the worst we ever had. The worst, the absolute worst. She was impossible, and she was a Miss Universe contestant and ultimately a winner who they had a tremendously difficult time with as Miss Universe," he said on "Fox and Friends."

"She was the winner, and, you know, she gained a massive amount of weight, and it was a real problem. We had a real problem. Not only that, her attitude, and we had a real problem with her," Trump continued. "So Hillary went back into the years and she found this girl. This was many years ago, and found the girl and talked about her like she was Mother Teresa, and it wasn't quite that way, but that's okay. Hillary has to do what she has to do. I see what's happening in the polls."

Come get your boy, white middle-aged Americans.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 11:16:45 AM

She was looking thick in the video.
:lawd

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Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 12:08:23 PM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/27/donald-trump-s-online-trolls-turn-on-their-god-emperor.html

Quote

One of Donald Trump’s most ardent fringe message boards appeared to turn on its candidate of choice during Monday night’s debate, saying he “got played” and that “this was not supposed to happen.”

4chan, the alt-right forum that Trump and his campaign surrogates have mined for memes and image macros to repurpose on campaign Twitter accounts as recently as two weeks ago, devolved into arguments about whether the usually uniformly pro-Trump website had been overrun by “shills” or if the candidate had simply lost the debate.

Quote

4chan’s de facto white-nationalist mascot Pepe, a cartoon frog that has come to represent both pro-Trump and anti-Semitic users on the site over the last year, even had its hand Photoshopped onto a smiling Clinton. Another meme showed Pepe pointing a machine gun at the back of its head.

A third showed the mascot drinking wine, along with the caption “Just for the record I never actually supported Trump. I just did it for the memes.”

:fbm

Quote

Back on 4chan, conspiracy theories still prevailed. One user thought he noticed a dark spot on Clinton’s clothes.

“Why would you ever vote for a person who DROOLS on her own clothes?” the user wrote, circling the spot with Photoshop.

Other users responded quickly. “That’s a microphone shadow, ya dingus.”

political reporting!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Dennis on September 27, 2016, 12:44:27 PM

I should have become a journalist.

Fucking just randomly browse /pol/ and report some memes and trolls at face value.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: brawndolicious on September 27, 2016, 01:18:55 PM

I have no faith in Trump's voters turning out anymore. The guy is on video being really cruel and disgusting to a slightly overweight beauty pageant winner.

They'll vote for a dude who might start WW3 but not if that causes their wives to never have sex with them again. This is Americuh.

lol tho at the belief that Trump would have a chance if he was more articulate....we are mostly a minority nation unlike European countries.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 27, 2016, 01:20:32 PM

Lol sadly there are women who want that kinda guy (or at least accept him)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 27, 2016, 02:09:25 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/27/media/debate-ratings-record-viewership/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on September 27, 2016, 02:35:09 PM

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/09/27/donald_trump_sniffing_sniff.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2016, 02:45:42 PM

"My mic didn't work."

"The moderator was mean to me."

It's always nothing but empty excuses from this guy when things don't go his way.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 27, 2016, 02:48:22 PM

Quote from: Dufus on September 27, 2016, 02:41:12 PM

Trump is now saying the moderator was unfair :lol WHAT moderator? :doge

Why, just look at this hard hitting article on Breitbart (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/09/27/lester-holt-asked-trump-15-questions-clinton-2-questions/):

Quote

A close analysis of the transcript of the first presidential debate on Monday night shows that moderator Lester Holt of NBC News asked 15 questions exclusively of Republican nominee Donald Trump, and only 2 questions exclusively of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

And where do they glean this information? This hard-hitting journalism?

Quote

The analysis, posted on social media and drawing intense attention on Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/), walks through the entire 90-minute exchange and notes Holt asked six questions of both candidates, in addition to Trump’s 15 and Clinton’s two.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 02:50:17 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/23/zach-galifianakis-responsibility-challenge-hillary-failed/

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Yesterday the website Funny or Die released an episode of “Between Two Ferns” in which the host, Zack Galifianakis, interviewed Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, Galifianakis lost all credibility with this interview.

Quote

America should be infuriated, and Galifianakis should be ashamed. We deserve better than this—better than a comedy yes-man who is willing to treat a known criminal as if she were a normal run-of-the-mill politician. This election is about much more than that. I hope Galifianakis will realize his mistakes and apologize; if he refuses to do that, I hope he closes down his Between Two Ferns segment before he does any more damage to the American republic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 02:57:59 PM

http://spectator.org/did-barack-obama-vote-communist-in-1980/

 :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Let's Cyber on September 27, 2016, 03:07:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 02:50:17 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/23/zach-galifianakis-responsibility-challenge-hillary-failed/

Quote

Yesterday the website Funny or Die released an episode of “Between Two Ferns” in which the host, Zack Galifianakis, interviewed Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, Galifianakis lost all credibility with this interview.

Quote

America should be infuriated, and Galifianakis should be ashamed. We deserve better than this—better than a comedy yes-man who is willing to treat a known criminal as if she were a normal run-of-the-mill politician. This election is about much more than that. I hope Galifianakis will realize his mistakes and apologize; if he refuses to do that, I hope he closes down his Between Two Ferns segment before he does any more damage to the American republic.

:oreilly :oreilly :oreilly :oreilly

Galifianakis just shot himself in the foot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2016, 03:12:31 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 02:57:59 PM

http://spectator.org/did-barack-obama-vote-communist-in-1980/

 :ohhh

Obama worst communist President ever confirmed. Can't even get even get universal healthcare passed. Lenin rolling over in his grave, ect.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on September 27, 2016, 03:19:20 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgkGewzUq4

Nothing about Pepe's White Supremacist leanings? Only a small slide of Trumpepe. What kind of alt-right video is this?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 03:21:44 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2016, 03:12:31 PM

Obama worst communist President ever confirmed. Can't even get even get universal healthcare passed. Lenin rolling over in his grave, ect.

He knows that the only path to true communism is through a workers revolution not incrementalism.

It's all part of the long term plan.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: studyguy on September 27, 2016, 03:34:33 PM

https://twitter.com/DustinGiebel/status/780814613021548544

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtYCv3oUEAAgsvm.jpg)

We live in a time where bombing twitter with a hashtag is considered an effective means of propping up an orange turd. What a time to be alive. Putin sliding into Trump DMs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 27, 2016, 03:48:16 PM

Sad.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on September 27, 2016, 05:03:25 PM

Friend on Facebook is saying the moderator "crossed a line" by interrupting Trump to "make Clinton's points for her." :what :huh :dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 27, 2016, 05:07:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 02:50:17 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/23/zach-galifianakis-responsibility-challenge-hillary-failed/

Quote

Yesterday the website Funny or Die released an episode of “Between Two Ferns” in which the host, Zack Galifianakis, interviewed Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately, Galifianakis lost all credibility with this interview.

Quote

America should be infuriated, and Galifianakis should be ashamed. We deserve better than this—better than a comedy yes-man who is willing to treat a known criminal as if she were a normal run-of-the-mill politician. This election is about much more than that. I hope Galifianakis will realize his mistakes and apologize; if he refuses to do that, I hope he closes down his Between Two Ferns segment before he does any more damage to the American republic.

That article is so clever. Contrasting the coverage of one candidate against the other. How the funny ha ha people are so mean to Trump.

So clever!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Atramental on September 27, 2016, 06:13:58 PM

https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian/posts/1161685267259284

Another big endorsement for Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: archie4208 on September 27, 2016, 07:08:54 PM

http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/pepe-the-frog.html

:fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on September 27, 2016, 07:15:14 PM

Quote from: archie4208 on September 27, 2016, 07:08:54 PM

http://www.adl.org/combating-hate/hate-on-display/c/pepe-the-frog.html

:fbm

AKA: sad frog

I told you guys, I warned you dog. Pepe is now sad frog. He started out happy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2016, 07:23:19 PM

Quote

Many variations of the meme became rather esoteric, resulting in the phenomenon of so-called "rare Pepes."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on September 27, 2016, 07:43:38 PM

Abortions for some, miniature Pepes for others.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 08:37:00 PM

Gonna need a Krugman article on the economics of rare Pepes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 27, 2016, 08:44:53 PM

PACK IT UP, LIBTARDS

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/michael-moore-says-trump-won-the-debate/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 27, 2016, 08:50:01 PM

There was already a pretty good article on the economics of rare Pepes, can't be bothered to go dig it back out of the cyber tho

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: helios on September 27, 2016, 09:35:58 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/NGHMznV.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Trent Dole on September 27, 2016, 10:20:05 PM

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/
First Dem Presidential endorsement by The Arizona Republic in 126 years of existing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: El Babua on September 27, 2016, 10:22:06 PM

Racists have appropriated our memes.

I will not stand for it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on September 27, 2016, 10:47:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BshqMopwv2E

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/glenn-beck-ted-cruz-bucket-of-blood_us_57e9ce67e4b024a52d2a1071

Yes, that is actually a recreated Oval Office

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Brehvolution on September 27, 2016, 10:50:27 PM

Quote

I think the Trump voters are just feeling like they were a demographic that was left behind in modern America.

Weird that people and their hatred of socialists are voting for a government they believe will take care of their poor decisions. They are in for another CONservative job. Happy to win the election. Shocked will they be that nothing happened for them. Suckers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 27, 2016, 11:05:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7uScWHcTzk
the intro  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2016, 11:09:53 PM

 :obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on September 27, 2016, 11:14:00 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on September 27, 2016, 10:47:07 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BshqMopwv2E

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/glenn-beck-ted-cruz-bucket-of-blood_us_57e9ce67e4b024a52d2a1071

Yes, that is actually a recreated Oval Office

What

The

Fuck

 :lol

That Trump vs. Obama narrative is kind of flawed? It's not like Trump is going up against Obama. Barack Obama already served his two terms, and if they were to go head to head, he would curb stomp Trump so hard that his head would spin. Believe me. It would be a tremendous stomping. You would love it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 27, 2016, 11:20:50 PM

Glenn Beck is wearing suit cargo pants

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Madrun Badrun on September 27, 2016, 11:28:19 PM

You can't wear suit cargo pants in the fake oval office.  SMH.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Dennis on September 28, 2016, 12:02:57 AM

Pepe listed as a hate symbol by the Anti-Defamation League.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1285502

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/28/us/pepe-the-frog-is-listed-as-a-hate-symbol-by-the-anti-defamation-league.html

(http://i.imgur.com/Zs7zb4j.jpg)

If you meme hard enough the meme becomes reality I guess.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 12:31:15 AM

Quote from: Dennis on September 28, 2016, 12:02:57 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1285502

from that thread:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iu2HXqotKM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: OnlyRegret on September 28, 2016, 02:01:01 AM

boys, it is a meme war, put on your dank masks and rouse the hounds

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(Not hounds but Shibas)

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: brawndolicious on September 28, 2016, 02:12:20 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on September 27, 2016, 01:20:32 PM

Lol sadly there are women who want that kinda guy (or at least accept him)

I don't think a woman like that would be having sex with anybody.

Quote from: Brehvolution on September 27, 2016, 10:50:27 PM

Quote

I think the Trump voters are just feeling like they were a demographic that was left behind in modern America.

Weird that people and their hatred of socialists are voting for a government they believe will take care of their poor decisions. They are in for another CONservative job. Happy to win the election. Shocked will they be that nothing happened for them. Suckers.

Conservatives are divided to be fair as he's not exactly a shining light of...anything good. I think he's basically saying that "if you're a honkey you get to be at the head of the line (again), no education/skills needed".  Ascribing a formal philosophy to it feels undeserved for a guy who barely sounds like he understands the words he says out loud.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on September 28, 2016, 02:50:36 AM

https://twitter.com/jonnysun/status/780974306490744832

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on September 28, 2016, 03:01:01 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on September 27, 2016, 10:20:05 PM

http://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/editorial/2016/09/27/hillary-clinton-endorsement/91198668/
First Dem Presidential endorsement by The Arizona Republic in 126 years of existing.

Jews Lizard overlords must be desperate if they're ordering one of their longest con puppets to drop the mask & any pretense of political divide to prop Hillary up ! FEMA death camps are coming fellas, believe it.

Quote from: Dennis on September 28, 2016, 12:02:57 AM

Pepe listed as a hate symbol by the Anti-Defamation League.

I expect left activists to delight us with cringey forced counter-memes now. "Poochy the dog is a really tolerant, cross sectional meme. He loves equality in the workplace and fact checking Republican statistics, FUN FUN FUN share him now ! LMAO"

Quote from: brawndolicious on September 27, 2016, 01:18:55 PM

lol tho at the belief that Trump would have a chance if he was more articulate....we are mostly a minority nation unlike European countries.

Heh, I think you're underestimating the issue here. Even if Trump get demolished come election and has no path to a win in the electoral college, you're still left with a major chunk of the voting population espousing an hostile view of the system, establishment, institutions, like 15 to 25%... They're too numerous to just leper out of the political discussion. In a way it's just the Tea Party v2, but it's not going away anytime soon. The far right in France, as of now and under the Fifth Republic, never was even close to winning the presidency and has currently only two MP at the national assembly, but they steer the whole political discourse way to the right. The scale can also be tipped by external events, just look at how far Bush the lesser went after 9/11.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on September 28, 2016, 03:34:34 AM

Watched most of the debate yesterday, it's hard to really understand how stupid Trump is.

Like on Cyber Security and warfare he started talking about being endorsed by the Customs and immigration officers (?) and his ten year old son being good at computers (?)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on September 28, 2016, 05:34:58 AM

We must Make Pepe Great Again

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 28, 2016, 10:12:00 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 28, 2016, 03:01:01 AM

I expect left activists to delight us with cringey forced counter-memes now. "Poochy the dog is a really tolerant, cross sectional meme. He loves equality in the workplace and fact checking Republican statistics, FUN FUN FUN share him now ! LMAO"

#dicksoutforhillrambe

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2016, 10:18:23 AM

is dat boi problematic now too, or just wack af?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2016, 10:23:27 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2016, 10:18:23 AM

is dat boi problematic now too, or just wack af?

everything is problematic

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2016, 11:42:06 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/09/27/america-spelled-wrong-on-trump-hotel-menu.html

(http://i.imgur.com/UwXCKPJl.jpg)

Make Amerrica Great Again :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: james on September 28, 2016, 11:56:27 AM

Hillary needs to run "it's business"  ads in Miami, Vegas, Fresno, and any other city that got hit especially hard in the housing crisis.


As an aside, Hillary is a poor debater, and would have been creamed by Chris Christie or Rand Paul. Thank God all she had to do was stand there and smile, and let Trump destroy himself.

She is slow on her feet. Her humor is atrocious. And she is as smooth as a michigan back road.

Although to be fair, Obama spoiled us.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2016, 12:46:01 PM

Quote from: james on September 28, 2016, 11:56:27 AM

Chris Christie or Rand Paul.

Yes. The very people who trump pretty much shit on and emasculated by being his dumb old self.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: james on September 28, 2016, 01:01:05 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2016, 12:46:01 PM

Yes. The very people who trump pretty much shit on and emasculated by being his dumb old self.

Nope. He destroyed Rubio and Jeb. Neither of them would have destroyed Hillary.

He never went against Christie. They were best bros.

Rand got run over by shouting, but he would have beaten Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2016, 01:15:54 PM

I'll eagerly await President Christie and Rand in the future.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Trent Dole on September 28, 2016, 01:24:50 PM

Think they'll try Jeb! again in 2020 or will it be some other rando?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 28, 2016, 01:31:53 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on September 28, 2016, 01:24:50 PM

Think they'll try Jeb! again in 2020 or will it be some other rando?

No one in the 2016 pack has any value left after what's happened this election. Ted Cruz will definitely give it a shot, though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 28, 2016, 01:37:06 PM

I'm guessing Paul Ryan

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 28, 2016, 01:54:48 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on September 28, 2016, 01:24:50 PM

Think they'll try Jeb! again in 2020 or will it be some other rando?

Jeb is done. So are most of those other guys but plenty of them will try again. What else have they got to do?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 28, 2016, 02:08:56 PM

It'll be Shkreli 2020

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 28, 2016, 02:20:07 PM

Rand Paul, Scott Walker, Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz.

Boom, there's your 2020 starting lineup.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2016, 02:23:29 PM

I'm voting for the AIA/PD 2020 ticket. Once you go black, you never go back. :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Samson Manhug on September 28, 2016, 02:58:10 PM

You guys are funny. 2020 will be Trump because the incumbent gets the nom again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Trent Dole on September 28, 2016, 03:30:14 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/VfWofIL.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 03:40:56 PM

"do you want a President who will identify the threat, radical Islam, or someone who won't? that's the fundamental question this election"

why did i ask sean hannity?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 28, 2016, 03:58:28 PM

1. Identify radical Islam as the threat
2. Profit!
3. ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 03:58:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2016, 02:23:29 PM

I'm voting for the AIA/PD 2020 ticket. Once you go black, you never go back. :aah

what about The Gilman/benji  :fbm

o crap i just outed the campaign as white supremacist

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 04:00:13 PM

Assuming Trump somehow loses (I know I know but go with the unlikely hypothetical here), 2020 wil probablyl be candidates who ran this time, people who don't have anything else to run for because their terms expired or they lost recently or something, and then random dudes who are just hanging around so why not like 2012 and to some extent 2004 and 1984.

Now, if Trump doesn't run for re-election because he's already made America Great Again, well, then that's different.

Of course, one other thing we have to remember too is that Kanye is running in 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdwhKRZuBw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 28, 2016, 04:15:13 PM

I am sort of expecting that by 2020 there will be some new/evolved crazy wildcard movement/candidate that is even worse than Trump and the alt-right etc. :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 28, 2016, 04:15:13 PM

I am sort of expecting that by 2020 there will be some new/evolved crazy wildcard movement/candidate that is even worse than Trump and the alt-right etc. :fbm

(http://i.imgur.com/qaULdvb.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on September 28, 2016, 04:37:43 PM

Thx for the referral, this lovely soon-to-be-ex-lady will make an excellent convert to the New Model.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 06:26:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vqe4vqhA3D4

 :o :o :o :o :o :o

Quote

Poker pro Mike Matusow agreed– Hillary was signalling Lester Holt.

Wow ive watched the debates 3 times & never noticed!! I felt the whole time she had the questions but after watching that i she def signals https://t.co/dOSZlmfB9G
— Mike Matusow (@themouthmatusow) September 28, 2016

I know they were desperate & i do agree its the same scratch and look at holt everytime #crookedHillary #Debates2016 https://t.co/dOSZlmfB9G
— Mike Matusow (@themouthmatusow) September 28, 2016

:usacry rip in peace democracy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 28, 2016, 06:35:23 PM

Lol Mike The Mouth, professional liar, pro Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mandark on September 28, 2016, 08:11:56 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/porn-star-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton/

Quote

Correction: The star of Apprentass 4 was Angel Dark, not Alicia Machado.

This election has everything.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 28, 2016, 08:20:03 PM

oh goodness

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 28, 2016, 11:15:00 PM

doing Playboy doesn't make you a porn star, neither (necessarily) does having a sex tape. Nobody says Hulk Hogan is a porn star, now do they?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on September 28, 2016, 11:19:44 PM

she don't look like no Miss Piggy to me

Makes me think about the current narrative of the candidate. Woman = pig, fat, object, slut, porn, thing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: bluemax on September 29, 2016, 12:43:13 AM

Quote from: OnlyRegret on September 28, 2016, 02:01:01 AM

boys, it is a meme war, put on your dank masks and rouse the hounds

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(Not hounds but Shibas)

[close]

I think you mean shibes  :doge

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on September 28, 2016, 04:15:13 PM

I am sort of expecting that by 2020 there will be some new/evolved crazy wildcard movement/candidate that is even worse than Trump and the alt-right etc. :fbm

Bernie Sanders is too old to run again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 01:12:18 AM

Quote from: bluemax on September 29, 2016, 12:43:13 AM

Bernie Sanders is too old to run again.

shots fired at Harold Stassen out of nowhere

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 02:12:30 AM

Quote

Among those efforts were a rally late last month at FAMU headlined by Clinton’s running mate, Virginia Sen. Tim Kaine, in which he praised the value of HBCUs and hammered Trump for pushing the “bigoted notion that President Obama wasn’t even born in this country” and tying the Republican to “Ku Klux Klan values.”

Kaine’s rhetoric wasn’t enough to inspire Tyresha McClenney and Bryan Anderson, two first-time voters and FAMU students who attended the Democrat’s rally. McLenney noted that she doesn’t believe Clinton has spoken enough about racial inequality and police brutality.

“It’s not something that she continuously says, it’s only like when the media gets a video of a black person getting shot,” she said. “When the media dies down on that, and she’s still saying it … that would help have more trust in her and believe in what she says.”

Added Anderson: “A lot of her attempts to reach out come across as pandering.”

That lack of excitement worries Henry Crespo, president of the Miami-based Florida Democratic Black Caucus.

“No one is writing songs for Hillary. Obama had will.i.am. Hillary has nobody like that,” said Crespo. “Right now, the vote is against Trump. It’s not for Hillary. I still think she’s going to win. But you want your people to be for your candidate, not just against the other guy.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mandark on September 29, 2016, 02:18:10 AM

the song was obviously wack but she's exactly right about it being a microcosm of a widespread sentiment

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 02:48:05 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTbpOv_95_A

 :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 03:10:11 AM

"I respectfully accept the decision of my fellow american citizens. And of the blacks and mexicans too. It's rigged people, the fight wasn't fair, i'm sorry but it's true folks. Rigged. We still managed to get 40%, it's huge even with the bias and lies of the mainstream media. When the Chinaman... Count on that, very smart people those, very good with maths, no wonder they keep on winning and we keep on losing... When the Chinaman will have you under its yoke with crooked Hillary on her death bed and that you all come back to me crawling "Donald, please help us win, we're dying" then I'm pretty sure FUCK YOU. Politics are done. The things I heard from Republicans, you wouldn't believe, the things I heard. I was the nominee but they the didn't did their part. Too scared, too corrupted. The fight isn't over folks yet, maybe the second amendment people will finally do something, maybe. Tune in this Juanuary to the Trump Network, only the truth, the best and biggest news. Roger will help me, very good, very competent and he knows a thing or two about the evils of political correctness. We'll have my good friend Sean Hannity. He has a big round head. Massive."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Trent Dole on September 29, 2016, 03:21:43 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 04:00:13 PM

Assuming Drumpf somehow loses (I know I know but go with the unlikely hypothetical here), 2020 wil probablyl be candidates who ran this time, people who don't have anything else to run for because their terms expired or they lost recently or something, and then random dudes who are just hanging around so why not like 2012 and to some extent 2004 and 1984.

Now, if Drumpf doesn't run for re-election because he's already made America Great Again, well, then that's different.

Of course, one other thing we have to remember too is that Kanye is running in 2020:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jdwhKRZuBw

'Ye is in the white houuuuuse~

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 03:27:47 AM

end of video title is lie, rest is accurate:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnARyWQWnkg

Quote

scienceandliberty10 hours ago
Yes, Gary, you should drop out. Gary, you should've read Harry Browne's books, his hundreds of articles, watched a bunch of his videos, and then maybe you would've been prepared to properly present libertarian ideas in a more persuasive and impactful manner.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 03:52:02 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/09/28/melissa-joan-hart-joins-gary-johnson-campaign-as-connecticut-chair.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 03:56:59 AM

Yeah, she's in favor of gun control, she fits right in with the sellout Johnson/Weld campaign.

She probably can't even name her favorite Rothbard book like Gary couldn't in 2012.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 04:08:27 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CteQEf-XYAA3vCX.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on September 29, 2016, 04:56:53 AM

Gary Johnson seems like a social experiment.

But then again, so does Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 07:25:12 AM

Trump hard at work losing that Cuban-American vote.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: tiesto on September 29, 2016, 09:53:05 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 03:52:02 AM

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/09/28/melissa-joan-hart-joins-gary-johnson-campaign-as-connecticut-chair.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl

My childhood crush... (born in the same town as me too)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2016, 10:31:38 AM

Quote from: Mandark on September 28, 2016, 08:11:56 PM

http://dailycaller.com/2016/09/27/porn-star-campaigns-for-hillary-clinton/

Quote

Correction: The star of Apprentass 4 was Angel Dark, not Alicia Machado.

This election has everything.

Hillary Clinton was convicted of murder and used an unauthorized personal email server.



Correction: Erik Menendez was convicted of murder, not Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: james on September 29, 2016, 11:44:50 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 07:25:12 AM

Trump hard at work losing that Cuban-American vote.

Not even "Miss Housekeeping" could sway those grumpie old south florida cubans.

But business with Castro?

Oh my.

I hope theyre running "Rubio endorses a Fidel supporter" ads

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Stoney Mason on September 29, 2016, 12:07:07 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/us/donald-trump-christians-gay-marriage.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Quote

“It all flipped, so fast,” said Mr. Odgaard, a patrician 70-year-old who favors khakis and boat shoes. “Suddenly, we were in the minority. That was kind of a scary feeling. It makes you wonder where the Christians went.”

Republicans greatest fear. Being a minority. Sounds about right.

Quote

Mr. Jorgenson was among many Iowa pastors who publicly supported Mr. Cruz, though not from the pulpit, and he is not sure if he will vote for Mr. Trump in November, even though Mr. Cruz has now said he will vote for Mr. Trump. He would not even consider voting for Hillary Clinton, the Democratic presidential nominee, and said he did not know anyone in his church who would. But asked how much hope he had that Mr. Trump would protect the religious liberty of conservative Christians, Mr. Jorgenson held his two fingers a quarter-inch apart.

“My hope is not ultimately in the government,” he said. “I am not of this world. Jesus is going to come back. He’s going to bring the perfect government. Until then, we live in a world of sin.”

I also like how we don't categorize this belief system as a form of mental illness.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2016, 01:10:41 PM

Quote

a patrician 70-year-old who favors khakis and boat shoes.

 :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 01:21:32 PM

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Now, a year later, the Odgaards and other conservative evangelicals interviewed in central Iowa say they feel as though they have been abandoned. Many say that they have no genuine champion in the presidential race and that the country has turned its back on them. Americans are leaving church, same-sex marriage is the law of the land, and the country has moved on to debating transgender rights. While other Americans are anxious about the economy, jobs and terrorism, conservative Christians say they fear for the nation’s very soul. Some worry that the nation has strayed so far that God’s punishment is imminent.

wait, i thought the end times were supposed to be a good thing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 01:26:10 PM

Quote from: james on September 29, 2016, 11:44:50 AM

I hope theyre running "Rubio endorses a Fidel supporter" ads

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/marco-rubio-deeply-concerned-donald-trump-cuba-business/story?id=42447807

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Mupepe on September 29, 2016, 01:39:31 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 01:21:32 PM

Quote

Now, a year later, the Odgaards and other conservative evangelicals interviewed in central Iowa say they feel as though they have been abandoned. Many say that they have no genuine champion in the presidential race and that the country has turned its back on them. Americans are leaving church, same-sex marriage is the law of the land, and the country has moved on to debating transgender rights. While other Americans are anxious about the economy, jobs and terrorism, conservative Christians say they fear for the nation’s very soul. Some worry that the nation has strayed so far that God’s punishment is imminent.

wait, i thought the end times were supposed to be a good thing

My sister in law has said similar things  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Brehvolution on September 29, 2016, 02:21:27 PM

:violin

The least oppressed people on the planet says what?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on September 29, 2016, 02:49:18 PM

http://www.theonion.com/infographic/fact-checking-first-presidential-debate-54037

Quote

“I was against [the Trans-Pacific Partnership] once it was finally negotiated and the terms were laid out.” -Hillary Clinton

False. She was against the TPP once it was finally negotiated and it was clearly electorally unviable.

“We need to move on.” -Lester Holt

True.

“[NAFTA] is the single worst trade deal ever approved in this country.” -Donald Trump

This is false. The worst trade deal in this country’s history was when the SuperSonics dealt Scottie Pippen to the Bulls for Olden Polynice.

“Violent crime is one half of what it was in 1991.” -Hillary Clinton

Come on, is this really going to change what you think one way or another?

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 03:16:01 PM

Quote

“I say who makes these? We lose on everything. All I said, that it’s very possible that if they don’t pay a fair share, because this isn’t 40 years ago where we could do what we’re doing. We can’t defend Japan, a behemoth, selling us cars by the million.” -Donald Trump

What he doesn’t tell you is, and this by the way, if you have any doubt in your whatever mind, look it up, because anyone can know this or tell this as the case had been, that you have these alliances and they are making America to where we lose.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Dennis on September 29, 2016, 07:08:56 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 29, 2016, 03:16:01 PM

What he doesn’t tell you is, and this by the way, if you have any doubt in your whatever mind, look it up, because anyone can know this or tell this as the case had been, that you have these alliances and they are making America to where we lose.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NPRXjgPGey8/hqdefault.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 07:24:22 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/mitch-mcconnell-saudi-9-11-bill-228903

:derp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2016, 07:32:45 PM

Thanks Obama! :maf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2016, 07:33:16 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 07:24:22 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/mitch-mcconnell-saudi-9-11-bill-228903

:derp

Why do we keep electing idiots to high office?  :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on September 29, 2016, 07:50:23 PM

Umm...because we're idiots?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Van Cruncheon on September 29, 2016, 09:01:03 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2016, 07:33:16 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 07:24:22 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/mitch-mcconnell-saudi-9-11-bill-228903

:derp

Why do we keep electing idiots to high office?  :snoop

have you seen america lately? that's why we hafta make america great again. by lowering the fuckin' bar all the way to the ground, and then building a taco bell (tm) on top of it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Human Snorenado on September 29, 2016, 09:17:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2016, 07:33:16 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 07:24:22 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/mitch-mcconnell-saudi-9-11-bill-228903

:derp

Why do we keep electing idiots to high office?  :snoop

Kentuckybore, answer for yourselves

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 30, 2016, 02:45:42 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihO5KootGjY

I've watched this many, many times by now and it never gets any less funny.
I can't figure out which of the three has my favorite, barely concealed reaction of shock/disappointment/internal panic. I think its Doocey.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Syph on September 30, 2016, 03:01:56 AM

this is only barely tangentially related but I didnt know where else to post lol

Michigan student successfully changes preferred pronoun to 'His Majesty' on class roster (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/30/michigan-student-successfully-changes-preferred-pronoun-to-his-majesty-on-class-roster.html)

he should've gone for "professor"  :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Brehvolution on September 30, 2016, 09:31:57 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on September 29, 2016, 07:24:22 PM

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/09/mitch-mcconnell-saudi-9-11-bill-228903

:derp

Maybe the "unintended consequences" might be that it opens the door for Afghan and Iraqi governments to let their citizens sue the US for their losses?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: CatsCatsCats on September 30, 2016, 12:05:15 PM

I think the  :derp part is him putting the blame on the White House, when Obama said basically the same thing about unintended consequences of opening the US up to liabilities whilst fucking vetoing it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on September 30, 2016, 12:13:28 PM

Yeah, the :derp part is everyone voting for it, Obama vetoing it, everyone voting to override his veto, and then putting the blame for "unintended consequences" on the White House.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2016, 12:23:23 PM

I assume the plan was to hold the veto vote and force Democrats to vote against it so they could be like "omg, why do you hate 9/11 victims?" but then all the Democrats voted for it too, so now they're like "shit, well now we have no one to blame but ourselves, j/k it's Obama's fault".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on September 30, 2016, 02:47:42 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/FGTEhoa.png)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CtZxjk4VMAAfh-C.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2016, 02:50:47 PM

The Chicago Tribune endorsed Gary Johnson, lol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on September 30, 2016, 02:58:54 PM

http://www.12news.com/news/local/arizona/arizona-republic-receives-death-threats-after-endorsing-hillary-clinton/327443263

:snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2016, 03:00:00 PM

http://pakobserver.net/chelsea-2028-more-logical-than-hillary-2016/

Quote

Donald Trump is still on course to win, despite his failure on September 27 in New York to challenge Hillary Clinton effectively rather than petulantly. Had Bill Clinton his way, it is likely that Hillary Clinton would have remained a US Senator, while daughter Chelsea would have entered the House of Representatives, then a Governorship or a Senate seat, and finally the White House. Rather than husband and wife, that symbol of global pre-eminence is more within the reach of the daughter twelve years later taking over the job held during 1992-2001 by William Jefferson Clinton.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2016, 03:01:55 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on September 30, 2016, 02:58:54 PM

http://www.12news.com/news/local/arizona/arizona-republic-receives-death-threats-after-endorsing-hillary-clinton/327443263

:snoop

Quote

"This might have been a different decision," he said, "if Republicans had elected Marco Rubio or Jeb Bush, responsible Republican men.

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Trent Dole on September 30, 2016, 03:20:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on September 30, 2016, 03:00:00 PM

http://pakobserver.net/chelsea-2028-more-logical-than-hillary-2016/

Quote

Donald Drumpf is still on course to win, despite his failure on September 27 in New York to challenge Hillary Clinton effectively rather than petulantly. Had Bill Clinton his way, it is likely that Hillary Clinton would have remained a US Senator, while daughter Chelsea would have entered the House of Representatives, then a Governorship or a Senate seat, and finally the White House. Rather than husband and wife, that symbol of global pre-eminence is more within the reach of the daughter twelve years later taking over the job held during 1992-2001 by William Jefferson Clinton.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_peUxE_BKcU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2016, 03:50:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/J8oE561.png)

Just imagine a tweaking President Trump taking a 3am emergency call, brehs.  :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on September 30, 2016, 05:01:27 PM

"Yes Vladimir ?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2016, 06:00:28 PM

Quote

Wow, Crooked Hillary was duped and used by my worst Miss U. Hillary floated her as an "angel" without checking her past, which is terrible!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2016

Using Alicia M in the debate as a paragon of virtue just shows that Crooked Hillary suffers from BAD JUDGEMENT! Hillary was set up by a con.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2016

Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2016

Remember, don't believe "sources said" by the VERY dishonest media. If they don't name the sources, the sources don't exist.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2016

 :what

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 30, 2016, 06:01:42 PM

dude knows he fucked up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2016, 06:14:35 PM

Quote

Remember, don't believe "sources said" by the VERY dishonest media. If they don't name the sources, the sources don't exist.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2016

Quote from: Star Citizen Forums

It was mostly innuendo and hearsay. No real newspaper editor would ever publish that article. No real journalist would ever submit an article that was "unnamed source said this, then another unnamed source said this."
These articles are the poster children of emberassingly shitty 'journalism'.
Of course, unnamed sources at Kotaku and PC Gamer have repeatedly told me both authors are crack-addled pathological liars with a penchant for goat-fucking. (...) Real journalism quotes exactly ZERO anonymous sources.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2016, 06:33:54 PM

I saw a Hillary For Prison t-shirt irl for the first time. Dude seemed like a real asshole too, he was screaming at his kid for no reason.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2016, 06:49:55 PM

Based on new evidence, I'm revising my opinion to total fucking asshole.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Syph on September 30, 2016, 06:55:34 PM

Debate commission: Trump had audio 'issues' (http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/30/politics/debate-commission-trump-had-audio-issues/)

can't say I ever thought that had any chance of being true but maybe there was some truth? details scarce right now it seems

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 30, 2016, 07:02:49 PM

What?  He was still clearly heard and able to interrupt both Hillary and Holt.  This is fucking stupid.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 30, 2016, 07:08:25 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 30, 2016, 07:02:49 PM

What?  He was still clearly heard and able to interrupt both Hillary and Holt.  This is fucking stupid.

The audio issues were in the debate room, not on television. Apparently he was really low for a few minutes at the beginning before they fixed it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: TakingBackSunday on September 30, 2016, 07:09:52 PM

Ah.  Still don't get why that's a big deal

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Boogie on September 30, 2016, 07:11:54 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 30, 2016, 06:01:42 PM

dude knows he fucked up

No, he really doesn't.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Syph on September 30, 2016, 07:25:20 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 30, 2016, 07:09:52 PM

Ah.  Still don't get why that's a big deal

because it altered his words!1!
he was actually saying "im a well-tempered normal human being who is capable of leading this country and can maintain some semblance of professionalism."
what you heard on tv was lester holt using trump as a ventriloquist dummy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2016, 07:35:57 PM

How do we know they didn't replace Trump with an impostor and loop in all his "answers" to make him look bad? If he goes out telling the truth about what Crooked Hillary did people will just dismiss it as a far-fetched conspiracy, "there goes Trump again" and Hillary would make some snarky remark to journalist Jimmy Fallon to "end the controversy." And Hillary can delete the real footage and anyone who tries to say different like she did the e-mails and Ambassador Stevens.

She can't keep getting away with it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Tasty on October 01, 2016, 12:29:29 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VA4xVosdTE

"Wheyl, I'm a fayun of... tweetin' durin' the waken' 'ours like most folks, I'm not up at three AM generally so I don't know if that's great advice, but again, maybe there are people who are interested issues at three AM."

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: VomKriege on October 01, 2016, 01:44:37 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on September 30, 2016, 06:33:54 PM

I saw a Hillary For Prison t-shirt irl for the first time. Dude seemed like a real asshole too, he was screaming at his kid for no reason.

Kid had it coming, with his private email server.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: zomgee on October 01, 2016, 03:40:26 AM

Quote from: Syph on September 30, 2016, 07:25:20 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 30, 2016, 07:09:52 PM

Ah.  Still don't get why that's a big deal

because it altered his words!1!
he was actually saying "im a well-tempered normal human being who is capable of leading this country and can maintain some semblance of professionalism."
what you heard on tv was lester holt using trump as a ventriloquist dummy

In a New York Times interview released Friday night, Trump said he "spent 50% of my thought process" dealing with the issue.

Oh ok

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: tiesto on October 01, 2016, 10:23:40 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on September 30, 2016, 06:00:28 PM

Did Crooked Hillary help disgusting (check out sex tape and past) Alicia M become a U.S. citizen so she could use her in the debate?
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) September 30, 2016

Check out the sex tape? Don't mind if I do...

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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 01, 2016, 10:23:42 AM

Quote from: zomgee on October 01, 2016, 03:40:26 AM

Quote from: Syph on September 30, 2016, 07:25:20 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on September 30, 2016, 07:09:52 PM

Ah.  Still don't get why that's a big deal

because it altered his words!1!
he was actually saying "im a well-tempered normal human being who is capable of leading this country and can maintain some semblance of professionalism."
what you heard on tv was lester holt using trump as a ventriloquist dummy

In a New York Times interview released Friday night, Trump said he "spent 50% of my thought process" dealing with the issue.

Oh ok

So he's only half as dumb as we think. Great?

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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 01, 2016, 10:26:22 AM

Quote from: HILLDAWG

“My opponent's only infrastructure plan is to build a wall! I loved that he went down to Mexico and he choked,” Clinton said. “He didn't even raise it. He's been going around telling people for months we're going to build a wall, make Mexico pay for it, so he's sitting with the president of Mexico and he doesn't even bring it up.”

 :whew

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Post by: helios on October 01, 2016, 11:05:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odIGZNTuDWQ

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 01, 2016, 12:16:47 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/782247085471129600/photo/1

who didn't see this coming

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Post by: helios on October 01, 2016, 07:30:53 PM

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/782346880533487616/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 01, 2016, 07:49:59 PM

Quote from: helios on October 01, 2016, 07:30:53 PM

https://twitter.com/SopanDeb/status/782346880533487616/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Plenty of people in the South are still registered Democrats that only vote Republican (my parents, for example).

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Post by: Tasty on October 01, 2016, 11:45:20 PM

So this has been blowing up on my Twitter feed.

Trump Tax Records Obtained by The Times Reveal He Could Have Avoided Paying Taxes for Nearly Two Decades (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-taxes.html)

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Post by: Tasty on October 02, 2016, 01:00:23 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/r3ViWtv.png)

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 02, 2016, 01:57:53 AM

So is it right to say that this "billionaire" probably didn't earn a billion dollars in 15 years? Or at least that's what his tax forms say?

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Post by: zomgee on October 02, 2016, 02:00:01 AM

This next debate?

It's going to be huge.

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Post by: Tasty on October 02, 2016, 02:11:43 AM

https://twitter.com/BecketAdams/status/782420781217222656

+

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“I don’t even think she’s loyal to Bill, if you want to know the truth,” Trump said.

The entire audience laughed at this remark, also clearly expressing surprise that he had gone there. Trump then followed this up by saying, “And really, folks, really, why should she be?”

=

(https://media.giphy.com/media/aIKZNRCac0f5e/giphy.gif)

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Post by: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 03:42:32 AM

Second debate is a "townhall" format right ? Over / under on Trump stepping on Clinton's personal space ?

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 02, 2016, 03:56:40 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 03:42:32 AM

Second debate is a "townhall" format right ? Over / under on Trump stepping on Clinton's personal space ?

Ya the next time Trump and Clinton meet is townhall style with very limited response times. But on Tuesday is the one between running mates and they're sorta polite and saccharine types which makes it all the more hilarious with the shit slinging going on around them.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 02, 2016, 02:37:05 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/BDaaqcT.png)

lawl, I hope this is true. Her leaking it right after Trump said he's gonna start attacking Hillary over Bill's affairs would be too perfect.

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Post by: agrajag on October 02, 2016, 03:19:02 PM

I have a feeling that the tax thing is going to get glossed over just like every other of Trump's transgressions. Anything Hilary does is magnified x1000, but nothing stops the Trump train.  :fbm

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 02, 2016, 03:29:58 PM

Have you been watching the news or Twitter?  This shit is all they're talking about.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 02, 2016, 03:37:03 PM

Quote from: Donald Trump

The problem we have right now—we have a society that sits back and says we don't have to do anything. Eventually, the 50 percent cannot carry—and it's unfair to them—but cannot carry the other 50 percent.

Quote

HALF of Americans don't pay income tax despite crippling govt debt...http://t.co/gDAUj0Kt

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) February 23, 2012

Quote from: Donald Trump

[Mitt Romney] should never apologize. Actually bring on this discussion....It's a discussion that maybe should be had. You do have a large percentage of people not paying taxes. You do have a large percentage of people that feel they're entitled.

Quote from: Donald Trump

Well, I don’t mind sacrificing for the country to be honest with you. But you know, you do have a problem because half of the people don't pay any tax. And when he's talking about that he's talking about people that aren't also working, that are not contributing to this society. And it's a problem. But we have 50 percent. It just hit the 50 percent mark. Fifty percent of the people are paying no tax.

:heh

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Post by: agrajag on October 02, 2016, 03:40:13 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 02, 2016, 03:29:58 PM

Have you been watching the news or Twitter?  This shit is all they're talking about.

So what? No one is going to do anything about it and his dumbass supporters will still come out in droves to vote for him. He could say he eats babies at this point and nothing is going to happen to him.

When are new polls coming out? I want to see if any of his recent meltdowns, the tax thing and the child rape thing have any impact on them.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 04:32:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 02, 2016, 03:40:13 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 02, 2016, 03:29:58 PM

Have you been watching the news or Twitter?  This shit is all they're talking about.

So what? No one is going to do anything about it and his dumbass supporters will still come out in droves to vote for him. He could say he eats babies at this point and nothing is going to happen to him.

When are new polls coming out? I want to see if any of his recent meltdowns, the tax thing and the child rape thing have any impact on them.

Truth be told, Trump is probably hurt by these stories, he seems to have a very low ceiling aka he doesn't have any outreach outside of his core. It's pretty depressing there's a third of the voters at least that will carry through with such a clown but heh...

I don't know if the 900m loss thing will hurt him that much. It means he had at least that much to lose, you know ?

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2016, 04:37:09 PM

I don't think the polls will move very much based on this stuff. The debate or the tax stuff. That being said, all Hillary has to do is essentially run out of the clock until the election and early voting starts. Every day the media has to cover such stuff is essentially a day wasted for Trump to make up any ground. So while I don't think for example the debate really changed anything. It was a completely wasted week for Trump who can't really afford to waste days much less weeks on these things.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: agrajag on October 02, 2016, 04:38:27 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 04:32:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 02, 2016, 03:40:13 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 02, 2016, 03:29:58 PM

Have you been watching the news or Twitter?  This shit is all they're talking about.

So what? No one is going to do anything about it and his dumbass supporters will still come out in droves to vote for him. He could say he eats babies at this point and nothing is going to happen to him.

When are new polls coming out? I want to see if any of his recent meltdowns, the tax thing and the child rape thing have any impact on them.

Truth be told, Trump is probably hurt by these stories, he seems to have a very low ceiling aka he doesn't have any outreach outside of his core. It's pretty depressing there's a third of the voters at least that will carry through with such a clown but heh...

I don't know if the 900m loss thing will hurt him that much. It means he had at least that much to lose, you know ?

He'll probably say using loopholes like that to get out of debt makes him smart and that's how he's going to slash our national deficit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: octopushover on October 02, 2016, 05:11:32 PM

thankfully the only bernie supporter i've seen who bought into #basementdwellers is the idiot from the convention with the tape over her mouth

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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 02, 2016, 05:46:13 PM

I mean she could have phrased it a little more delicately but the gist of her sentiment was pretty on point imho

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 02, 2016, 05:48:28 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 02, 2016, 04:37:09 PM

I don't think the polls will move very much based on this stuff. The debate or the tax stuff. That being said, all Hillary has to do is essentially run out of the clock until the election and early voting starts. Every day the media has to cover such stuff is essentially a day wasted for Trump to make up any ground. So while I don't think for example the debate really changed anything. It was a completely wasted week for Trump who can't really afford to waste days much less weeks on these things.

All indications point to the debate having a pretty large affect on the polls.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 07:04:10 PM

Speaking of Trump's wealth, it's been pretty weird to see left leaning liberals cheer "real billionnaires" Bloomberg & Cuban as they call out The Don for being a parvenu. I get that shattering his image as a successulful businessman has value but still...

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2016, 07:17:37 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 07:04:10 PM

Speaking of Trump's wealth, it's been pretty weird to see left leaning liberals cheer "real billionnaires" Bloomberg & Cuban as they call out The Don for being a parvenu. I get that shattering his image as a successulful businessman has value but still...

Nah, I'm all for it. He's a narcissistic fascist whose jimmies are easily rustled. I want him embarrassed and lampooned for as long as possible, and I get the sense that his business dealings are going to take a major hit in the coming years.

I get that debt is a part of real estate but how do you portray yourself as a business genius when you lost nearly a billion dollars during one of the most economically profitable years in modern US history. And a lot of that debt is due to running trash tier unsuccessful casinos into the ground.

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Post by: agrajag on October 02, 2016, 07:45:32 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 07:04:10 PM

Speaking of Trump's wealth, it's been pretty weird to see left leaning liberals cheer "real billionnaires" Bloomberg & Cuban as they call out The Don for being a parvenu. I get that shattering his image as a successulful businessman has value but still...

I think it's just basic schadenfreude at this point. He has inspired seething hatred in a lot of people, and they enjoy seeing him fall. It's just human nature.

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Post by: Mandark on October 02, 2016, 07:48:56 PM

Yeah, it gets under his skin and we're just enjoying the petty.

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Post by: Tasty on October 02, 2016, 08:23:18 PM

 Giuliani Says Trump Better for US 'Than a Woman' (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/latest-christie-trump-genius-avoiding-taxes-42508198)

Big G really hitting it on all fronts.

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Post by: agrajag on October 02, 2016, 08:35:46 PM

Giuliani is such a piece of shit  :lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2016, 10:26:39 PM

You can tell Rudy and a few other surrogates are still fully convinced Trump is going to win so A) ultimately their fuckery won't matter B) he'll be a generous daddy and offer them some type of administration/cabinet role. It makes sense because if you're on the "Trump can win" wagon nothing has really changed in the race for you. You'd still be operating based on the idea that the white vote is going to be so massive that Trump's problems with minorities/women don't matter. Nevermind that he's doing worse with whites, especially suburban white women, than McCain/Romney.

It's hard for me to envision debate #2 and not also envision Trump imploding again, this time with a town hall audience. He's either going to get into a damning back-and-forth with someone who asks a question or he'll go crazy on Hillary, or both or all types of other scenarios. The dude is 70 years old, this is who he is. He's not changing in a matter of weeks, which means he won't be preparing for this debate (after all he won the first one!) either.

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Post by: daycru on October 02, 2016, 11:07:58 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 02, 2016, 07:04:10 PM

Speaking of Trump's wealth, it's been pretty weird to see left leaning liberals cheer "real billionnaires" Bloomberg & Cuban as they call out The Don for being a parvenu. I get that shattering his image as a successulful businessman has value but still...

Billionaire Republicans sure seem to love Hillary

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 02, 2016, 11:47:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 02, 2016, 10:26:39 PM

It's hard for me to envision debate #2 and not also envision Trump imploding again, this time with a town hall audience. He's either going to get into a damning back-and-forth with someone who asks a question or he'll go crazy on Hillary, or both or all types of other scenarios. The dude is 70 years old, this is who he is. He's not changing in a matter of weeks, which means he won't be preparing for this debate (after all he won the first one!) either.

Trump is one of those idiots who doesn't know how to read people but just bullies his competition to try to win in life. That's why he always says nasty things about people he barely knows like Alicia and the Khans but then gets all befuddled when people think he's a dick.

That's why I'm expecting some random dirty-ass tweets about the audience members after the second debate is wrapped. He needs time to formulate his words.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 03, 2016, 08:11:11 AM

Quote

"You've got to go out, and you've got to get your friends, and you've got to get everybody you know, and you gotta watch the polling booths, because I hear too many stories about Pennsylvania, certain areas," (...) "I hear too many bad stories, and we can't lose an election because of you know what I'm talking about. So, go and vote and then go check out areas because a lot of bad things happen, and we don't want to lose for that reason.”

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2016/10/02/trump_rambles_about_movies_tells_supporters_to_watch_voters_in_certain_areas.html

From the same rally :

Quote

" “You’re unsuspecting,” Trump said. “Right now, you say to your wife: ‘Let’s go to a movie after Trump.’ But you won’t do that because you’ll be so high and so excited that no movie is going to satisfy you. Okay? No movie. You know why? Honestly? Because they don’t make movies like they used to — is that right?”"

:confused

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Post by: agrajag on October 03, 2016, 08:21:46 AM

Make Hollywood Great Again

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 03, 2016, 10:00:37 AM

tfw you want to take your wife to a movie but you're too high

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Post by: Tasty on October 03, 2016, 11:48:45 AM

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/fe743b917b3b5f93c2357b8e4a952bf0/tumblr_oebsaaOLlk1ql10y6o4_r2_500.png)

(http://66.media.tumblr.com/d0fd48a84d186ea05b809e12d4906685/tumblr_oebsaaOLlk1ql10y6o5_r3_500.png)

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/ac8eeda6a7b0c7f3c5f196eefb596e8e/tumblr_oebsaaOLlk1ql10y6o3_r1_500.png)

(http://67.media.tumblr.com/d1ebae4bcbf3eca41d70fe1cd32b707f/tumblr_oebsaaOLlk1ql10y6o2_r2_500.png)

Quote

And USA Today, which has “never taken sides” in a presidential race before, declared Trump “unfit for the presidency (http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/09/30/conservative-newspapers-explain-why-they-refused-endorse-frightening-trump/213433)” in an editorial this morning.

:preach

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Post by: Syph on October 03, 2016, 01:53:39 PM

rumblings of a big wikileak announcement...stay tuned

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/782906224937410562?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2016, 02:00:22 PM

 :zzz

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Tune in for Debate Night to See Democracy Take Another L
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 03, 2016, 02:04:08 PM

How long has wikileaks been drudge report tier?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2016, 03:47:02 PM

Benjamin Emali Ghazi

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Post by: Tasty on October 03, 2016, 03:47:40 PM

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/3/13121510/trump-clinton-tax-plan-cartoon

(http://i.imgur.com/QDGjPU8l.png)

"The party of fiscal conservatism."

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 03, 2016, 03:52:59 PM

They are only "fiscally conservative" when a dem is in power.  :doge

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Post by: El Babua on October 03, 2016, 05:05:50 PM

Donald Trump MMT'er confirmed.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2016, 05:21:57 PM

@sinderbrand 23m23 minutes ago

Trump says there are now "monthly... race riots": "Someone said don't call them race riots. But that's what they are. They're race riots"

hmmmm

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 03, 2016, 06:25:39 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on October 03, 2016, 05:25:21 PM

Seriously, who the fuck is he even appealing to anymore.
 http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1288430

These people:

(http://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/scalefit_630_noupscale/57ed36711b00000d0cef326c.jpeg)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 03, 2016, 07:02:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 03, 2016, 05:21:57 PM

@sinderbrand 23m23 minutes ago

Trump says there are now "monthly... race riots": "Someone said don't call them race riots. But that's what they are. They're race riots"

hmmmm

Trump truly is one of the most despicable people to win nomination by a major party in the US, certainly in recent history.

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Post by: Syph on October 03, 2016, 07:27:33 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 03, 2016, 02:04:08 PM

How long has wikileaks been drudge report tier?

dont shoot the messenger breh just posting what i heard

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Post by: benjipwns on October 03, 2016, 08:00:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4DweICCUSo

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Post by: Kara on October 03, 2016, 10:22:13 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 02, 2016, 01:57:53 AM

So is it right to say that this "billionaire" probably didn't earn a billion dollars in 15 years? Or at least that's what his tax forms say?

It means one or more pass-through entities in which he had an ownership interest lost lots of money (for tax purposes).

Despite being legally distinct persons, the income (loss) activity of these kinds of entities are included on the individual tax returns of their owners in lieu of paying federal income taxes themselves.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 04, 2016, 06:47:04 AM

Quote

New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman's office on Monday ordered the Donald J. Trump Foundation to "immediately cease soliciting contributions" after a report that the charity lacked the proper authorization to seek public donations.
(...)
The "Notice of Violation" letter obtained by NBC News warned that the charity "shall be deemed a continuing fraud upon the people of New York" unless it provided required paperwork regarding its fundraising activities within the next 15 days.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2016, 09:24:39 AM

Looking at the latest round of polling and for the first real time I'm definitely on the its over side. Hillary simply has too big a lead where it matters and its looking like Trump's debate performance will be the nail in the coffin. He simply has too much negative press to present a coherent message anymore. He is no longer on the offensive and the majority of his surrogates spend their time trying to defuse whatever crazy, repugnant, racist thing he said today.

On a related note, I should get my mail in ballot sometime this week.

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Post by: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 09:43:12 AM

So the october surprise was literally nothing? :lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 09:50:49 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 09:43:12 AM

So the october surprise was literally nothing? :lol

OR IS IT?!?!?!?!?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Dennis on October 04, 2016, 10:11:26 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 09:43:12 AM

So the october surprise was literally nothing? :lol

Assange failed to take down Killary?

 :fbm

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 10:15:27 AM

Mary Tyler Whore admit you were up until 4AM with SUBMIT POST ready to go  :doge

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2016, 11:00:08 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 09:43:12 AM

So the october surprise was literally nothing? :lol

Basically...

(http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/133/668/68.gif)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2016, 11:05:55 AM

Assange saw the drones flying over.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

Trump won't win, but it's not going to be the blowout that many people predicted. Not enough to shake the party up.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2016, 11:33:41 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

Trump won't win, but it's not going to be the blowout that many people predicted. Not enough to shake the party up.

I think the republicans are in a very weird spot. Everybody predicted that this would the election where Republicans would finally outreach to Latinos because of the obvious demographic future of the united states. Instead they doubled down on antagonizing that group. I'm not sure how you very easily tuck away the monster the republicans have created. These people who fed on the lifeblood of Trump's bigotry aren't going away. In fact they are arguably the most energized part of the base right now. This will be 3 elections in a row they have lost at the presidential level. That seemed unthinkable when I was a kid. There is no immediate and obvious answer to the republican woes during presidential elections at the moment other than praying for large scale terrorist attacks.

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 04, 2016, 11:38:04 AM

Still not comfortable with an easy Clinton win. There is still a lot that can happen. OPEC just agreed to cut production so you'll see rising gas prices leading up to the election.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2016, 11:47:35 AM

I think the party heirarchy will always have a different excuse for each one of these candidates. McCain and Romney weren't "conservative enough" and Trump's excuse will be the mainstream media and not having total party unity. There's always these kind of side issues that divert their attention away from the real systemic problems their candidates face.

I think they can coast on waiting for the golden child to arise. A Rubio-type that embodies all the conservative ideals, but can effectively speak to middle America. Demagogue-lite with brown skin.

I really think it's going to take a full generation to die off before you see some kind of real reckoning.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2016, 11:50:00 AM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/remember-when-trump-said-he-was-audited-because-he-was-christian

This was a fun thing to remember.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2016, 12:23:30 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 04, 2016, 11:38:04 AM

Still not comfortable with an easy Clinton win. There is still a lot that can happen. OPEC just agreed to cut production so you'll see rising gas prices leading up to the election.

http://election.princeton.edu/2016/09/29/the-incredibly-stable-2016-campaign/ (http://election.princeton.edu/2016/09/29/the-incredibly-stable-2016-campaign/)

Should make you feel better.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 12:56:56 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2016, 09:24:39 AM

Looking at the latest round of polling and for the first real time I'm definitely on the its over side.

That's pretty much where I am right now. Trump is just too far behind in too many states. Barring Hillary completely flaming out in the next two debates [which won't happen] or a massive terror attack [which could happen, but is unlikely], he just has very little opportunity to gain any real ground. And for all Hillary's problems, virtually all of them have already been hashed out in public for years, whereas it's clear that Trump still has a lot of secrets he's desperately trying to keep hidden.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2016, 01:26:05 PM

Until Infowars finds the secret documents that confirm Chelsea was Vince Foster's love child, and Hillary murdered him when he threatened to spill the beans.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 01:29:35 PM

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Over the course of two hours Tuesday—with the world's media and bleary-eyed Trump die-hards across the United States tuning in—Assange and other WikiLeaks officials railed against "neo-McCarthyist hysteria," blasted the mainstream press, appealed for donations and plugged their books ("40 percent off!"). But what they didn't do was provide any new information about Clinton—or about anything else, really.

:rofl

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Post by: Tasty on October 04, 2016, 01:51:35 PM

TBH I don't even know if a "massive terror attack" would change things significantly for Trump. In the last couple "minor" attacks he basically just tweets out "Told ya so!" and it hasn't moved the needle at all, polling-wise.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 02:03:56 PM

The minor terror events haven't really had much impact, certainly not lasting impact, outside of the people directly affected, though in total I suppose they've added to a sense of unease and anti-immigrant/refugee sentiment. Something large scale could potentially shake people enough to want to vote for a totalitarian strongman who tells people he's going to keep them safe.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2016, 02:10:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 01:29:35 PM

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Over the course of two hours Tuesday—with the world's media and bleary-eyed Trump die-hards across the United States tuning in—Assange and other WikiLeaks officials railed against "neo-McCarthyist hysteria," blasted the mainstream press, appealed for donations and plugged their books ("40 percent off!"). But what they didn't do was provide any new information about Clinton—or about anything else, really.

:rofl

Then he told everyone to check out an incredible hotel he was opening, really big league. People are saying it's the best in the world.

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Post by: Kara on October 04, 2016, 02:20:53 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 04, 2016, 01:51:35 PM

TBH I don't even know if a "massive terror attack" would change things significantly for Trump. In the last couple "minor" attacks he basically just tweets out "Told ya so!" and it hasn't moved the needle at all, polling-wise.

It was absolutely horrifying what this country slid into after September 11 and to a certain extent it's still going on (Syria / IS, for example). Consider how far Donald Trump has gone in a comparatively peaceful period and one where the chronic irrational fear Americans are predisposed to is only an observable symptom in its most left behind.

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Post by: Syph on October 04, 2016, 03:09:48 PM

lol looks like assange got spooked or never had anything in the first place
i guess that's what i get for putting any faith in that p.o.s. for the first time in my life

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2016, 03:44:45 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 02:03:56 PM

The minor terror events haven't really had much impact, certainly not lasting impact, outside of the people directly affected, though in total I suppose they've added to a sense of unease and anti-immigrant/refugee sentiment. Something large scale could potentially shake people enough to want to vote for a totalitarian strongman who tells people he's going to keep them safe.

The thing is, the people who are susceptible to anti-immigrant/refugee arguments or that want a totalitarian daddy strongman are already going to vote for Trump. Anyone undecided who listens to anything Trump says, I have to believe if they have two active brain cells to rub together will come to the conclusion that he's too fucking nuts to be in charge of the military.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 03:58:31 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

Trump won't win, but it's not going to be the blowout that many people predicted. Not enough to shake the party up.

It's going to be ugly. I don't think many folks are discussing the fact that Trump has zero GOTV or grassroots infrastructure. His HQ is going to basically be blind on election day as Hillary's camp determine where they are and aren't meeting benchmarks. Should make for some interesting case studies one day in terms of polling averages and what importance ground game has on election results.

I do agree that nothing will change. Let's not forget republicans commissioned an "autopsy" after 2012 and came to the conclusion that they needed to be more inclusive and less focused on the rich, job creators, etc. Four years later they nominated a billionaire racist misogynist bigot. They're going to have to take a look at their primary process, specifically the way southern states are stacked in late January and February. If not Trump, Cruz likely would have won based solely on the primary schedule and his position on illegal immigration.

Republicans aren't going to magically start liking brown people next year. To paraphrase The Wire, the base stay the base. Which means we'll get more obstruction and fear mongering, more intense anger over Hillary's inevitable executive orders on immigration (once liberals have a 5-4 edge on the SC), etc etc. And in four more years they'll throw out Tom Cotton or another extremist.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2016, 04:25:32 PM

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You better release it all within 12 hours or you’re done. We’ve been Wiki-rolled. Who bought them TVs, bitch, tell me that? Move, bitch, get out the way. Get out the way, bitch, get out the way. Move, bitch, get out the way, I mean, you get out the way man. You think you bitched us? You think you rolled us? You ain’t seen nothing yet, Assange. I’m rolling Hillary. I’m the dark heart. We ain’t backing down. Just because you’re a fake chump don’t mean we are. Get ready!

~Alex Jones (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/were-not-losers-alex-jones-frenzy-after-julian-assange-fails-topple-clinton)

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Post by: Trent Dole on October 04, 2016, 05:21:16 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 04, 2016, 09:24:39 AM

Looking at the latest round of polling and for the first real time I'm definitely on the its over side. Hillary simply has too big a lead where it matters and its looking like Drumpf's debate performance will be the nail in the coffin. He simply has too much negative press to present a coherent message anymore. He is no longer on the offensive and the majority of his surrogates spend their time trying to defuse whatever crazy, repugnant, racist thing he said today.

On a related note, I should get my mail in ballot sometime this week.

I went to the 'She's totally got this' side during the first debate from seeing some gifs on twitter. The look on Clinton's face said she knew she's already won. As others have said it's not going to be that massive a blow out but Don's not winning. Maybe the GOP will change their nomination process a bit after this so people with literally no experience holding public office can't try to run for the highest one in the land. Hillary is far from unbeatable, she's a mediocre public speaker at best and isn't half as charismatic as our current commander in chief, and the right's electorate basically handed the keys to the White House to her by nominating ...well, who they nominated. I don't even want to spend time slagging the dude anymore, I just want him to slink off back to his shady real estate and other dealings.

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 04, 2016, 07:38:01 PM

Someone has the whole thing screencapped I'm sure, but the GOP had a whole page up talking about the winner of the debate in posted accidentally in advance (it will be Mike Pence fyi, you can skip it now).  I only grabbed this from posting to facebook right before they took it down:

(http://i.imgur.com/BfnH8Oo.png)

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 04, 2016, 07:47:00 PM

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AvbVoYrjtVB4J%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.gop.com%2Fwho-won-the-vice-presidential-debate%2F+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AvbVoYrjtVB4J%3Ahttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.gop.com%2Fwho-won-the-vice-presidential-debate%2F+&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us)
 :lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 07:48:44 PM

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NEXT POST

It's Clear Who Lost the VP Debate, Hillary Clinton

:lol

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2016, 07:52:40 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 04, 2016, 07:38:01 PM

(it will be Mike Pence fyi, you can skip it now)

Way ahead of you

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2016, 08:14:55 PM

Vox picked it up

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/4/13168384/mike-pence-won-debate

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 04, 2016, 08:22:53 PM

https://gfycat.com/InbornSomberFerret

edit:  wrong thread but still better than a VP debate

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 04, 2016, 08:24:21 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 04, 2016, 11:11:34 AM

Trump won't win, but it's not going to be the blowout that many people predicted. Not enough to shake the party up.

I think the smart thing for Hillary to do is to not bet on a landslide solving all her problems. Just point out that Trump was just a con artist all along and that she wants the first woman president to unite everyone from Bernie to "real conservatives" with her plan to improve America...social change yadda yadda.

Basically now might be the time to encourage voters to split the ticket between voting for her and for whoever they want locally. The goal being to have a congress that's cooperative.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 08:59:57 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 04, 2016, 07:38:01 PM

Someone has the whole thing screencapped I'm sure, but the GOP had a whole page up talking about the winner of the debate in posted accidentally in advance (it will be Mike Pence fyi, you can skip it now).  I only grabbed this from posting to facebook right before they took it down:

(http://i.imgur.com/BfnH8Oo.png)

#debategate

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2016, 09:23:37 PM

Both of these people are cringy

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 04, 2016, 09:33:13 PM

So rehearsed.

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Post by: james on October 04, 2016, 09:41:27 PM

Another example of Hillary's horrible judgement

Worst VP pick since Palin.

This woman tries to fail at everything.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2016, 10:05:46 PM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 09:41:27 PM

Another example of Hillary's horrible judgement

Worst VP pick since Palin.

This woman tries to fail at everything.

Wow it's good to know that Kaine has stiff competition like Paul Ryan, the only VP candidate since Palin.

Fuck out of here with that shit

He's hammering Pence and has been the last half hour.  But regardless this shit doesn't matter.

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Post by: james on October 04, 2016, 10:09:02 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 04, 2016, 10:05:46 PM

Wow it's good to know that Kaine has stiff competition like Paul Ryan, the only VP candidate since Palin.

Fuck out of here with that shit

He's hammering Pence and has been the last half hour.  But regardless this shit doesn't matter.

Ryan is a fucking idiot but he didnt trip over himself twice during the same tripping over movement

Did anyone vet this clown?

And it does fucking matter. 65 million people will be watching this. If just 10% are swayed...

Its over. Hillary hands over the keys to the basket of deplorables.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2016, 10:11:20 PM

When did MTW create an alt?

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Post by: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 10:15:47 PM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:09:02 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 04, 2016, 10:05:46 PM

Wow it's good to know that Kaine has stiff competition like Paul Ryan, the only VP candidate since Palin.

Fuck out of here with that shit

He's hammering Pence and has been the last half hour.  But regardless this shit doesn't matter.

Ryan is a fucking idiot but he didnt trip over himself twice during the same tripping over movement

Did anyone vet this clown?

And it does fucking matter. 65 million people will be watching this. If just 10% are swayed...

Its over. Hillary hands over the keys to the basket of deplorables.

 :derp

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Post by: james on October 04, 2016, 10:17:25 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 10:15:47 PM

:derp

Im sorry the democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again and again and again - bothers me

See also: Rubio leading

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2016, 10:18:09 PM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:09:02 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 04, 2016, 10:05:46 PM

Wow it's good to know that Kaine has stiff competition like Paul Ryan, the only VP candidate since Palin.

Fuck out of here with that shit

He's hammering Pence and has been the last half hour.  But regardless this shit doesn't matter.

Ryan is a fucking idiot but he didnt trip over himself twice during the same tripping over movement

Did anyone vet this clown?

And it does fucking matter. 65 million people will be watching this. If just 10% are swayed...

Its over. Hillary hands over the keys to the basket of deplorables.

Nice trolling

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Post by: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 10:20:22 PM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:17:25 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 10:15:47 PM

:derp

Im sorry the democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again and again and again - bothers me

See also: Rubio leading

Kaine is constantly on the attack and very rarely on the defense. He's doing great. You're just reacting with emotions because of reasons.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2016, 10:20:33 PM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:17:25 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 10:15:47 PM

:derp

Im sorry the democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again and again and again - bothers me

See also: Rubio leading

Wtf

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Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2016, 10:27:08 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 04, 2016, 07:38:01 PM

Someone has the whole thing screencapped I'm sure, but the GOP had a whole page up talking about the winner of the debate in posted accidentally in advance (it will be Mike Pence fyi, you can skip it now).  I only grabbed this from posting to facebook right before they took it down:

(http://i.imgur.com/BfnH8Oo.png)

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Nina L. Diamond @ninatypewriter
The GOP declared Pence the winner of the VP debate almost 2 hours before it starts.
I have no jokes.
I have no words.
Except sickening.
7:45 PM - 4 Oct 2016

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Post by: benjipwns on October 04, 2016, 10:36:32 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 04, 2016, 04:25:32 PM

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You better release it all within 12 hours or you’re done. We’ve been Wiki-rolled. Who bought them TVs, bitch, tell me that? Move, bitch, get out the way. Get out the way, bitch, get out the way. Move, bitch, get out the way, I mean, you get out the way man. You think you bitched us? You think you rolled us? You ain’t seen nothing yet, Assange. I’m rolling Hillary. I’m the dark heart. We ain’t backing down. Just because you’re a fake chump don’t mean we are. Get ready!

~Alex Jones (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/were-not-losers-alex-jones-frenzy-after-julian-assange-fails-topple-clinton)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aDWWyWc_Lc#t=32m42s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aDWWyWc_Lc#t=32m42s)

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Post by: james on October 04, 2016, 10:39:28 PM

CBS declared Kaine the loser.

Damage control by the "yas queen" crowd activated

All hands on deck at Hillarys rapid response team

Record being corrected

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 04, 2016, 10:41:46 PM

Kaine bombed so hard it looked like he was actively and intentionally trying to do so :hans1

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 04, 2016, 10:47:24 PM

Kaine was fine, but boring. Pence was composed but boring

This won't move the needle at all you dummies, these things never do

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 10:52:44 PM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:39:28 PM

CBS declared Kaine the loser.

Damage control by the "yas queen" crowd activated

All hands on deck at Hillarys rapid response team

Record being corrected

VP debate! We've got VP debate over here!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AERwgNvgMmc

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Post by: james on October 04, 2016, 10:55:21 PM

When "this wasnt that bad nobody watched" is your go-to spin, you know you fucked up

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2016, 10:57:22 PM

What are you even talking about?

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Post by: Trurl on October 04, 2016, 10:57:45 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 04, 2016, 10:41:46 PM

Kaine bombed so hard it looked like he was actively and intentionally trying to do so :hans1

They want people to say stuff like "Wow, Pence is great.  If only the ticket were reversed."  With luck it will drive Trump insane and get him to attack his own running mate.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 11:03:31 PM

Man the Clintons sure do come up with the corniest "jokes" and zingers. Jesus christ, leave that shit to Bill.

Pence won, Trump lost.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 04, 2016, 11:17:27 PM

Oh look, MTW popped out of his groundhog hole to see his shadow and declare six more weeks of winter for Hillary Clinton.

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Post by: Syph on October 04, 2016, 11:26:00 PM

disclaimer: i do not think trump was treated unfairly in the first debate nor do i particularly care about pence or kaine and i only watched half of the debate
that being said

wow did kaine get outclassed
and holy fuck did it piss me off when he interrupted pence and the moderator did nothing, and then when it was kaine's turn to talk and pence interrupted, the moderator immediately jumped in and shut pence down multiple times
was really night and day

in the end it doesn't matter though, this won't move the needle even 0.1% either way and will be forgotten by the second main debate anyway
this is no biden v. ryan

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 04, 2016, 11:52:23 PM

LOL CNN talking to "undecided" voters. If you're undecided at this point you're a moron.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 11:56:12 PM

I wish I was on CNN or Fox to whip out the #hottake to end them all: the weak female moderator was bad news for Hillary's campaign as it showed an out-classed woman not doing well on a major stage. And just as the moderator was bullied and ignored so will Hillary Clinton and thus America.  :doge

Benji pls respond.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 12:08:47 AM

What network do you think would put up with us the longest, I feel like Fox Business. They have Kennedy on their convention/"debate" coverage with Lou Dobbs. That feels like an opening.

We could be the after midnight team that handles the like fifth tier party hacks: "vice deputy alternate campaign strategist for Oakland County District 32."

You be the black Sean Hannity and I'll be the cac "I'm a National Rainbow Coalition Democrat" whose only form of argument is whataboutism.

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Post by: Mandark on October 05, 2016, 12:22:11 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 03:58:31 PM

I do agree that nothing will change. Let's not forget republicans commissioned an "autopsy" after 2012 and came to the conclusion that they needed to be more inclusive and less focused on the rich, job creators, etc. Four years later they nominated a billionaire racist misogynist bigot.

They targeted immigration and gay marriage in particular as areas where they needed to be less dogmatic in order to win younger voters.

Thing is, as much as some liberals like to think GOP voters are just being tricked into voting a certain way, it's the base driving the politicians on these issues, not the other way around.  Republican leadership tried to push comprehensive immigration reform twice and both times their constituencies flipped out on them.  On LGBT issues, even when they abandon a particular policy as a clear loser (you hear very little about repealing SSM or reinstating DADT), they find a new way of showing where they stand, with the bathroom laws and shit.

Republicans still have both houses of Congress and a pretty commanding lead in governorships and state legislatures, so all these premature eulogies for the party are obviously silly.  But it just feels so out of control and incoherent at the national level.  Trump's such a tire fire that we forget the Speaker quit and they had trouble finding someone who would take the job.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 12:39:53 AM

Mitch Daniels was calling for them to downplay social issues and focus on economic ones even before 2012.

But there's another complete incoherence in the base, and Trump has played upon it. The GOP base isn't free market, free traders, government slashing despite the Tea Party rhetoric. There are all kinds of exceptions. As always, when it comes to details the only thing that holds up is "lower taxes" and complaints about the wrong type of people getting welfare. Also, more military spending since it's been slashed to the bone.

It's ever their "answer" like the Democrats have "messaging" of their perfect policies always being their problem. Both parties are such a clusterfuck of competing internal interests across the board that the only thing that can tie a bunch of them together to form a national electoral coalition is culture warring with the other.

They get elected for reasons perpendicular to what they actually can or want to accomplish.

Remember the 100-Hour Plan?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 12:41:05 AM

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 12:43:11 AM

Regardless of his eventual job performance, Snyder came into office as a conservative-leaning technocrat who wasn't interested in a major social agenda, except his election wave also brought in a whole bunch of hardcore social conservatives who didn't give a shit about any of his government reforms because there was abortion and stuff to handle. So it led to a bunch of internal party fighting and gridlock and compromises where Snyder signed something about abortion to get bailout management and funds for Detroit and so on.

And that's just at a single state level.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 12:46:24 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 12:41:05 AM

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

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Wikipedia is manipulated by the cheeseburgers, pedophiles, schizophrenics, and various other deviants and goons that run it. Vote Donald Trump and follow @Meepsheepy

The image was actually already on Wikipedia  :lol

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Description   
Woman with a vibrator in her anus

Date   3 November 2011, 23:41

This image, originally posted to Flickr, was reviewed on December 17, 2011 by the administrator or reviewer File Upload Bot (Magnus Manske), who confirmed that it was available on Flickr under the stated license on that date.

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The following pages on the English Wikipedia link to this file (pages on other projects are not listed):
User:Sorindhol
Template:United States presidential election, 2016

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Post by: Mandark on October 05, 2016, 12:47:34 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 12:39:53 AM

Both parties are such a clusterfuck of competing internal interests across the board that the only thing that can tie a bunch of them together to form a national electoral coalition is culture warring with the other.

Is this actually the case with the current Democratic party though?

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Post by: Syph on October 05, 2016, 12:52:02 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 12:41:05 AM

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

my, uh, sources have confirmed this development

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 05, 2016, 12:52:45 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 12:41:05 AM

So...umm...apparently Hillary Clinton's Wikipedia page got hacked. Or something. Because it's now displaying a very large pornographic image.

"Hmm, the page is loading normally I don't see anything out of the ordinar...OH"

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 12:56:17 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 11:03:31 PM

Man the Clintons sure do come up with the corniest "jokes" and zingers. Jesus christ, leave that shit to Bill.

Pence won, Trump lost.

Do you want a you're hired president in Hillary Clinton or a you're fired president in Donald Trump?

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 01:03:30 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LumzjCp__xE

 :smug

Why are we allowing the very much not in the eternal heaven Kim Jong-un on that Mount Rushmore when we have the Eternal President of the Republic Kim Il-sung and Eternal General Secretary of the Workers Party of Korea Kim Jong-il? :ufup

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2016, 01:27:23 AM

Didn't watch the debate so I have nothing real to offer. VP debates are historically non-events so if I  can barely muster interest in watching the top of the ticket debate I certainly can't on the VP side.

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Post by: Kara on October 05, 2016, 01:58:12 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 04, 2016, 03:58:31 PM

I do agree that nothing will change. Let's not forget republicans commissioned an "autopsy" after 2012 and came to the conclusion that they needed to be more inclusive and less focused on the rich, job creators, etc.

And their presidential primary was (more or less) a long-form Punch and Judy performance wherein Punch pummeled the deepest bench in living memory yet another class of economic doctrinaires produced by the party assembly line.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 05, 2016, 02:21:11 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 05, 2016, 12:22:11 AM

Republicans still have both houses of Congress and a pretty commanding lead in governorships and state legislatures, so all these premature eulogies for the party are obviously silly.  But it just feels so out of control and incoherent at the national level.  Trump's such a tire fire that we forget the Speaker quit and they had trouble finding someone who would take the job.

We may very well end up with 16 straight years of Democrats in charge of the country characterized by mostly aimless Republicans doing everything possible to interfere and be a hindrance.  We're already entering into this extended holding pattern of the Republicans being a mess with weakened leadership but using their diffused power and enough sway in both the House and Senate to throw a monkey wrench in a lot of Democrat plans.  It really isn't a good position for anyone.

What's really scary is 2020 could be an even bigger shitshow.  About the only things the Republican electorate could agree upon this cycle were less taxes and fuck black and brown people.  That's the baseline.  Add in the growing anti-establishment wave and I can only imagine who rises out of the muck to carry the GOP torch next presidential election.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 07:31:10 AM

lol, VP debate, no1curr. Why did you guys watch this?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2016, 07:43:14 AM

The party has never accepted the fact that their base is not a bunch of Buckley types who obsess over conservative ideals. Their base has largely been driven by racial resentment since the late 60s. "I don't want my tax dollars wasted on those people." Trump is the base, it's not like these people will disappear in two or four years. They'll usher in more extremists in 2018 midterms and then hand the presidential nom to another extremist in 2020 unless the party changes the rules.

Like I don't even understand how someone can believe Payl Ryan can satisfy these people/win the south.

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Post by: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 08:30:50 AM

Man, this PTSD thing is not going away. The media is goijg yo keep mauling Trump on the daily until election day.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 05, 2016, 09:54:55 AM

Veteran PTSD is a little like institutional racism. You can low key discriminate against veterans and talk about their assumed PTSD behind closed doors, but never say it out loud on camera.

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Post by: james on October 05, 2016, 11:16:06 AM

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 11:26:11 AM

 :doge

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 05, 2016, 11:42:11 AM

Kaine seriously needed to shut the fuck up from what I could tell

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 05, 2016, 12:11:47 PM

Man, I'm ready for this to be over. The only thing more annoying in October than talk about yard signs is talk about "undecided voters".

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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 05, 2016, 12:24:04 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 11:16:06 AM

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

I just don't understand these people. Who gives a shit of the guy was annoying. He had actual points and some sense of know how. Is the election is so maddening because all its revealing is how much people are idiots. You have one side actually saying something while another shows no logical alternative and people can't side with it because of vague ideas about style? I just don't get it.

I have no love for Hilarry Clinton or anything but it is incredibly obvious someone like Trump should not be president. How can anyone be undecided about this?  I isn't even follow the election. Just watched the debates and the Trump side veers from non answers to straight up nonsense 100% of the time. I mean if Hillary loses it will just shake my very core and belif in people.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 12:57:23 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KENkeig7Tbw

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 12:58:59 PM

Drones aren't a secret, Andrea.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2016, 01:04:37 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 11:16:06 AM

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

Yep. I'm sure your rando watercooler is very representative of America.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 01:05:23 PM

The winner of last night's debate seems to be a bit up in the air, with a slight edge to Pence, perhaps, but the loser was pretty clear: Trump.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 05, 2016, 01:05:52 PM

For the GOP the proof will be in the pudding, I suspect, one of their candidates will have to "prove" (in a primary ?) that on the national level he'll gain a net positive by switching angry white racists or crazy christians for latinos and minorities. Hopefully before or at the same time than people will get fatigue from 12 to 16 years of Democratic presidents.

But really, wasn't that what Bush the lesser could have done and what they say they will do every cycle ?

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Post by: Tasty on October 05, 2016, 01:14:40 PM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:09:02 PM

Ryan is a fucking idiot but he didnt trip over himself twice during the same tripping over movement

Did anyone vet this clown?

And it does fucking matter. 65 million people will be watching this. If just 10% are swayed...

Its over. Hillary hands over the keys to the basket of deplorables.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 01:22:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJmnLzw8NA4

Conservative "humor"  :cac

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 01:51:20 PM

At work, I heard people complaining about how Kaine was rude and kept interrupting to make false statements. I'm like "oh, for real? Who'd want to vote for someone like that?"

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:16:43 PM

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240

KAINE LOST WHAT A DISGRACE PENCE WON TRUMP FOR GOD EMPEROR

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Post by: james on October 05, 2016, 02:25:28 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2016, 01:04:37 PM

Yep. I'm sure your rando watercooler is very representative of America.

Well...

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 01:51:20 PM

At work, I heard people complaining about how Kaine was rude and kept interrupting to make false statements. I'm like "oh, for real? Who'd want to vote for someone like that?"

Maybe its not just my work.

Quote from: Rahxephon91 on October 05, 2016, 12:24:04 PM

I just don't understand these people. Who gives a shit of the guy was annoying. He had actual points and some sense of know how.

Welcome to 2016.

The debate is on the screen, but attention is on candy crush in your hand. Policy doesnt register. WTF is he being so rude and whiny like a 9th grader running for class president, on the other hand, does.

Thats reinforced by the water cooler.

"Did you catch the debate last night?"
"Yeah WTF was that cane guy doing interrupting all the time?"
"I cant believe Hillary picked him"
"Agreed her judgement must be broken"
"You heard about her health issues right?"
"Yeah if winter is especially cold this year I dont expect her to make it"
"I dont know if I can vote for that cain guy"

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

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Post by: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 05, 2016, 02:31:18 PM

2 of the 3 people standing at the water cooler were discussing Gary Johnson.

Therefore, scientifically speaking, Gary Johnson will get 66% of the popular vote.

YOU CAN'T DENY NUMBERS

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Post by: james on October 05, 2016, 02:35:09 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 05, 2016, 02:31:18 PM

2 of the 3 people standing at the water cooler were discussing Gary Johnson.

Therefore, scientifically speaking, Gary Johnson will get 66% of the popular vote.

YOU CAN'T DENY NUMBERS

I need to see the cross tabs first

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Post by: Tasty on October 05, 2016, 02:39:25 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:16:43 PM

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/783645247247114240

KAINE LOST WHAT A DISGRACE PENCE WON TRUMP FOR GOD EMPEROR

This is so good.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 02:41:19 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

I live in a county that went 75-25 for Romney, which is actually lower that I would have guessed.

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Post by: james on October 05, 2016, 02:44:05 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 02:41:19 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

I live in a county that went 75-25 for Romney, which is actually lower that I would have guessed.

 :fbm

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Post by: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 02:44:57 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

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Post by: james on October 05, 2016, 02:55:03 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 02:44:57 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Those people pay your salary

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Post by: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 02:58:29 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:55:03 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 02:44:57 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Those people pay your salary

The fuck they do.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 02:58:47 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 02:44:57 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Statistically speaking, most people are both stupid and awful, so the fact that any rando has a dumb opinion is to be expected.

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Post by: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 03:05:12 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 02:58:47 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 02:44:57 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Statistically speaking, most people are both stupid and awful, so the fact that any rando has a dumb opinion is to be expected.

It's a sad state of affairs when people are swayed to vote for a different candidate because the VP on the ticket was "nicer" at the debate. Even if we throw away the fact that the candidate himself is a raging asshole. It just makes no sense on so many different levels.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2016, 03:05:57 PM

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/tv-ratings-early-vp-debate-numbers-low-flash-1201878846/

Yep.

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Post by: james on October 05, 2016, 03:20:28 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 02:58:47 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 02:44:57 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central. Doesnt mean the people were happy.

you work with a bunch of idiots

Statistically speaking, most people are both stupid and awful, so the fact that any rando has a dumb opinion is to be expected.

I believe a study found that 47% of the country are both stupid and awful. Some might say, deplorable.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 03:23:11 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 05, 2016, 02:31:18 PM

2 of the 3 people standing at the water cooler were discussing Gary Johnson.

Therefore, scientifically speaking, Gary Johnson will get 66% of the popular vote.

YOU CAN'T DENY NUMBERS

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Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 03:26:04 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central.

You work in the Sociology department?

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Post by: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 03:30:13 PM

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 05, 2016, 03:47:51 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 03:20:28 PM

I believe a study found that 47% of the country are both stupid and awful. Some might say, deplorable.

this seems like a conservative estimate

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Post by: agrajag on October 05, 2016, 04:13:21 PM

Fucking conservatives. First they hijack our memes, now estimates. :yuck

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 05, 2016, 04:13:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 05, 2016, 03:26:04 PM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 02:30:04 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 05, 2016, 02:28:55 PM

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Maybe its not just my work.

Joe definitely doesn't work with a bunch of undecided voters, I can tell you that.

I dont either. Left wing central.

You work in the Sociology department?

James works in African American Studies.

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 05, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 04:58:23 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 05, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 05, 2016, 05:06:44 PM

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Donald Trump, on the other hand, has no record of public service and no qualifications for public office. His affect is that of an infomercial huckster; he traffics in conspiracy theories and racist invective; he is appallingly sexist; he is erratic, secretive, and xenophobic; he expresses admiration for authoritarian rulers, and evinces authoritarian tendencies himself. He is easily goaded, a poor quality for someone seeking control of America’s nuclear arsenal. He is an enemy of fact-based discourse; he is ignorant of, and indifferent to, the Constitution; he appears not to read.

:dead

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 06:20:49 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 05, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/)

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 05, 2016, 07:05:58 PM

My slightly favorite bit of this election will  be whenever any evangelical in the future brings up moral values and I quietly ask them who they voted for in this election. I won't even need to say anything after the words are out of their lips. Just smile at them knowingly.


Also

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Liesl Hickey, a Republican strategist involved in several House races in swing states, said she was dismayed by a sudden exodus of independent voters in more diverse parts of the country.

“They are really starting to pull away from Trump,” said Ms. Hickey, describing his soaring unpopularity with independents as entering “uncharted territory.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/06/us/politics/donald-trump-campaign.html

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM

http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/5814/7542/1879/Wk3_Toplines_NALEO.Telemundo.LD_Tracker.pdf

Trump losing Latinos 73-16

(http://i.imgur.com/5AKMbRR.gif)

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 05, 2016, 08:52:25 PM

Did you know it was rude to say things trump said to mike pence?  :doge

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Post by: tiesto on October 05, 2016, 09:05:43 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM

http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/5814/7542/1879/Wk3_Toplines_NALEO.Telemundo.LD_Tracker.pdf

Trump losing Latinos 73-16

(http://i.imgur.com/5AKMbRR.gif)

Who are the 16% of Hispanics actually voting for this clown?

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 05, 2016, 09:29:19 PM

Quote from: tiesto on October 05, 2016, 09:05:43 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM

http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/5814/7542/1879/Wk3_Toplines_NALEO.Telemundo.LD_Tracker.pdf

Trump losing Latinos 73-16

(http://i.imgur.com/5AKMbRR.gif)

Who are the 16% of Hispanics actually voting for this clown?

Hispanics like ted cruz. Hispanics that made it and want to pull up the ladder only saving themselves. I didn't make up that analogy, but I'll parrot it.

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Post by: Purrp Skirrp on October 05, 2016, 10:09:40 PM

Quote from: tiesto on October 05, 2016, 09:05:43 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM

http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/5814/7542/1879/Wk3_Toplines_NALEO.Telemundo.LD_Tracker.pdf

Trump losing Latinos 73-16

(http://i.imgur.com/5AKMbRR.gif)

Who are the 16% of Hispanics actually voting for this clown?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYgo4gsD-38

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Post by: Tasty on October 06, 2016, 12:39:42 AM

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/many-people-are-saying-that-donald-trump-is-mad-about-m-1787428755

:lol :lol

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Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2016, 12:47:13 AM

QUEER FASCISTS SHUT DOWN NATION’S FIRST CONSERVATIVE ART SHOW (http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/queer-fascists-shut-nations-first-conservative-art-show/)

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Lucian Wintrich’s sensual “Twinks4Trump” photographs featured at the Republican National Convention have attracted international attention and outrage within the LBGT community. The series of photographs feature thin, hairless, scantily clad young men wearing “Make America Great Again” hats.

Following the success of Wintrich’s photo series, he has scouted other conservative artists and performers across America to submit additional pieces to the first ever curated conservative art show in America, #DaddyWillSaveUs.

The opening for #DaddyWillSaveUs will be held at 191 North, 14th Street, Brooklyn, New York October 8th startingat 8pm ET.

Headlining speakers and contributors for the opening include outspoken gay conservative Milo Yiannopoulos and Viceco founder Gavin McInnes. Additional contributors include Martin Shkreli, David Angelo, Francis Legge, James O’Keefe, the Godesky Brothers, Jon Proby, Sebastian Sommer, and more.

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Gay fascists in New York City organized an online protest to shut down the show.

(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/queer-fascists--575x835.jpg)

The gallery owner folded under the pressure and canceled the show this week.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/daddywillsaveus-make-art-great-again-party--2#/

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“I think this exhibition will fight the dogma of a single accepted political ideology among artists and the creative class as a whole,” said Wintrich, the New York City resident behind Twinks4Trump.

Wintrich says, “MAGA (Make AmericaGreat Again) hats have become the new Campbell’s soup cans.”

Full, large format prints of Wintrich’s work will be available at silent auction at the exhibition, with 30% of proceeds doing to American Military Partner Association, the nation's largest organization for the partners, spouses, and families of America's LGBT service members.

Milo Yiannopoulos said of the event, “"Who knew that the way to be on the cutting edge of controversy in the art world would be to support Donald Trump. The LBGT community's response to Lucian and his fellow artists is embarrassing. How can a movement dedicated to expression, pride, and diversity be so dead set against diversity of opinion?”

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Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2016, 12:51:06 AM

shit gettin real

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/megyn-kelly-slams-trump-for-only-sitting-down-with-hannity-and-avoiding-unsafe-spaces/

Quote from: Megyn Kelly

Donald Trump, with all due respect to my friend at 10:00, will go on Hannity and pretty much only Hannity and will not venture out to the unsafe spaces these days, which doesn’t exactly expand the tent.

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/783850273420738560

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Sean HannityVerified account
‏@seanhannity
@megynkelly u should be mad at  @HillaryClinton   Clearly you support her. And @realDonaldTrump did talk to u.
7:04 PM - 5 Oct 2016

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A Fox News spokeswoman did not respond to a request for comment on Wednesday night.

When asked by CNNMoney to elaborate on his tweet, Hannity replied with a blank email.

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Post by: bluemax on October 06, 2016, 01:03:08 AM

Donald Trump is tearing the NFL apart: http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

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Post by: Syph on October 06, 2016, 01:14:43 AM

this has been a weird page

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Post by: curly on October 06, 2016, 02:07:01 AM

Quote from: bluemax on October 06, 2016, 01:03:08 AM

Donald Trump is tearing the NFL apart: http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

richie incognito supporting trump is possibly the least surprising thing ever

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Post by: VomKriege on October 06, 2016, 02:41:09 AM

Quote from: curly on October 06, 2016, 02:07:01 AM

Quote from: bluemax on October 06, 2016, 01:03:08 AM

Donald Trump is tearing the NFL apart: http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

richie incognito supporting trump is possibly the least surprising thing ever

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“I think that he can help this nation get back to a world superpower,”

:confused
How massive your complex needs to be for you to believe that the US is not a "world superpower" ?

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I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

Why would I care about the opinion of a body of water ? Can it lose 900 millions ? :smug

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 06, 2016, 03:22:12 AM

Remember January 2013 when Hannity was arguing republicans should pass immigration reform to appeal to Hispanics. Gotta love his dedication to following the wave no matter where it leads.

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Post by: chronovore on October 06, 2016, 04:18:21 AM

Quote from: tiesto on October 05, 2016, 09:05:43 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM

http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/5814/7542/1879/Wk3_Toplines_NALEO.Telemundo.LD_Tracker.pdf

Trump losing Latinos 73-16

(http://i.imgur.com/5AKMbRR.gif)

Who are the 16% of Hispanics actually voting for this clown?

Puppy, explain!

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Post by: agrajag on October 06, 2016, 04:31:09 AM

Quote from: tiesto on October 05, 2016, 09:05:43 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 05, 2016, 08:04:17 PM

http://www.latinodecisions.com/files/5814/7542/1879/Wk3_Toplines_NALEO.Telemundo.LD_Tracker.pdf

Trump losing Latinos 73-16

(http://i.imgur.com/5AKMbRR.gif)

Who are the 16% of Hispanics actually voting for this clown?

Hispanics that don't want the bleak future of having a taco stand on every corner  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 06, 2016, 04:56:19 AM

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@megynkelly u should be mad at  @HillaryClinton   Clearly you support her. And @realDonaldTrump did talk to u.

Big baby angry ?

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Post by: agrajag on October 06, 2016, 05:03:57 AM

A professional "journalist" types "you" as "u"

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Post by: Trent Dole on October 06, 2016, 06:17:31 AM

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 11:16:06 AM

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

She ain't even on the ballot in every state, is she? :lol

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 06, 2016, 08:16:53 AM

Don't laugh

Jill might break 500k this election 

 :lucas

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Post by: benjipwns on October 06, 2016, 09:04:26 AM

The Green Party/Stein is on 48 + DC ballots, the most ever for the party. It might drop to 47, as they have a lawsuit ongoing in Oklahoma.

The Libertarian Party is the only one that's done 50 + DC more than once.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 06, 2016, 09:34:48 AM

She's not on the ballot in Oklahoma.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2016, 10:19:28 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 06, 2016, 02:41:09 AM

Quote from: curly on October 06, 2016, 02:07:01 AM

Quote from: bluemax on October 06, 2016, 01:03:08 AM

Donald Trump is tearing the NFL apart: http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

richie incognito supporting trump is possibly the least surprising thing ever

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“I think that he can help this nation get back to a world superpower,”

:confused
How massive your complex needs to be for you to believe that the US is not a "world superpower" ?

#DaddyWillSaveUs

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Post by: Momo on October 06, 2016, 10:43:08 AM

is it just me or has the young turks been absolutely garbage since bernie dropped out?

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 06, 2016, 10:44:08 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

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Post by: Tasty on October 06, 2016, 10:54:01 AM

Quote from: bluemax on October 06, 2016, 01:03:08 AM

Donald Trump is tearing the NFL apart: http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/donald-trump-is-tearing-the-nfl-apart/

(http://i.imgur.com/gewhhKvl.jpg)

Dat 9% AiA vote

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Steve Contra on October 06, 2016, 12:46:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kbnW51p.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Momo on October 06, 2016, 12:51:47 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on October 06, 2016, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: Momo on October 06, 2016, 10:43:08 AM

is it just me or has the young turks been absolutely garbage since bernie dropped out?

Implying they weren't always garbage.

I dunno, they seemed a lot less garbage a few months back :(

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Post by: Tasty on October 06, 2016, 03:20:55 PM

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Arizona and Iowa are blue. :preach

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2016, 03:25:15 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on October 06, 2016, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: Momo on October 06, 2016, 10:43:08 AM

is it just me or has the young turks been absolutely garbage since bernie dropped out?

Implying they weren't always garbage.

I "liked" this post, but TYT is pretty good sometimes. They did go off the deep end because of Bernie, though, that's for sure.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2016, 03:27:16 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 06, 2016, 03:20:55 PM

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

Arizona and Iowa are blue. :preach

Fake, that same site also says Ross Perot was just a myth.

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Post by: studyguy on October 06, 2016, 03:51:33 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuGVlWrXgAAac2D.jpg)
Vote your conscience

 :neogaf
 :neogaf
 :neogaf
 :neogaf  :neogaf  :neogaf

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Post by: agrajag on October 06, 2016, 04:24:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2016, 03:25:15 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on October 06, 2016, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: Momo on October 06, 2016, 10:43:08 AM

is it just me or has the young turks been absolutely garbage since bernie dropped out?

Implying they weren't always garbage.

I "liked" this post, but TYT is pretty good sometimes. They did go off the deep end because of Bernie, though, that's for sure.

Anna Kasparian  :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2016, 04:24:38 PM

http://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/

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Post by: El Babua on October 06, 2016, 04:25:55 PM

Quote from: studyguy on October 06, 2016, 03:51:33 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuGVlWrXgAAac2D.jpg)
Vote your conscience

 :neogaf
 :neogaf
 :neogaf
 :neogaf  :neogaf  :neogaf

https://twitter.com/JordanFreiman/status/784087964188106752

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2016, 04:41:04 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on October 06, 2016, 04:29:43 PM

Oh god, that's the lowest I've seen someone.

You obviously haven't seen Chris Christie recently.

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on October 06, 2016, 05:04:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/9BeyuIE.jpg)


https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/784111560029384704

:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 06, 2016, 05:48:56 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1290224

I keep replaying the clip and I can't grasp the difference between the way it's supposed to be pronounced and the way Trump pronounces it. Is there a clip of the correct pronunciation I can listen to?

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Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2016, 06:13:45 PM

And Texas should be Tejas

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Post by: Rufus on October 06, 2016, 06:17:57 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 06, 2016, 05:48:56 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1290224

I keep replaying the clip and I can't grasp the difference between the way it's supposed to be pronounced and the way Trump pronounces it. Is there a clip of the correct pronunciation I can listen to?

Apparently this has been a thing before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmUf9FDUOTk

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 06, 2016, 06:18:34 PM

Cant see the clip, Im guessing:

Trump: /nəvɑdə/

Nevadans: /nəvædə/

Trump's vowel on the stressed syllable is produced further back in the oral tract.

It really doesnt matter

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 06, 2016, 06:20:46 PM

Quote from: Rufus on October 06, 2016, 06:17:57 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 06, 2016, 05:48:56 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1290224

I keep replaying the clip and I can't grasp the difference between the way it's supposed to be pronounced and the way Trump pronounces it. Is there a clip of the correct pronunciation I can listen to?

Apparently this has been a thing before:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmUf9FDUOTk

 I actually never thought about how to pronounce Nevada until that thread. I feel like I most likely pronounced it the right way, but I'm not too sure.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2016, 08:14:45 PM

theconcourse.deadspin.com/matt-drudge-idiotically-suggests-hurricane-matthew-warn-1787503467 (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/matt-drudge-idiotically-suggests-hurricane-matthew-warn-1787503467)

Be a conservative and a fedora-wearer, brehs.

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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 06, 2016, 11:00:16 PM

(https://i.sli.mg/vLDS3T.png)

Correct the Record needs to step up their game

spoiler (click to show/hide)

In case people are missing it, it's a shill talking to itself

[close]

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Post by: Atramental on October 06, 2016, 11:02:43 PM

Ah, good ol' samefagging. :aah

I've done that a couple of times before on 4chan in the past before they implemented those identity codes on certain boards.

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Post by: Trent Dole on October 06, 2016, 11:56:50 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 06, 2016, 11:00:16 PM

https://i.sli.mg/vLDS3T.png

Correct the Record needs to step up their game

spoiler (click to show/hide)

In case people are missing it, it's a shill talking to itself

[close]

The #shillary is real. :hans1

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Post by: Momo on October 07, 2016, 12:21:55 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 06, 2016, 03:25:15 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on October 06, 2016, 12:30:22 PM

Quote from: Momo on October 06, 2016, 10:43:08 AM

is it just me or has the young turks been absolutely garbage since bernie dropped out?

Implying they weren't always garbage.

I "liked" this post, but TYT is pretty good sometimes. They did go off the deep end because of Bernie, though, that's for sure.

It's a lot worse now with Trump v Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Trent Dole on October 07, 2016, 02:46:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u85RLESPcMo
:usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry :usacry

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Post by: Oblivion on October 07, 2016, 06:11:40 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 04:58:23 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 05, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/)

Lincoln, LBJ, and Hillary now have something else in common. :lawd

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Besides loving a good dick joke.

[close]

So Hillary's going to be a one termer too?  :doge

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 09:06:30 AM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 06, 2016, 11:00:16 PM

(https://i.sli.mg/vLDS3T.png)

Correct the Record needs to step up their game

spoiler (click to show/hide)

In case people are missing it, it's a shill talking to itself

[close]

Silver's now cast really seems like pundit trash.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 10:08:49 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 07, 2016, 06:11:40 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 05, 2016, 04:58:23 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 05, 2016, 04:48:46 PM

I would say "savage" but no one who would vote for Trump reads or even knows what the Atlantic is.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/11/the-case-for-hillary-clinton-and-against-donald-trump/501161/)

Lincoln, LBJ, and Hillary now have something else in common. :lawd

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Besides loving a good dick joke.

[close]

So Hillary's going to be a one termer too?  :doge

Gonna step aside for the Chelsea/Malia ticket. :lawd

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Post by: ToxicAdam on October 07, 2016, 10:53:38 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 06, 2016, 12:46:37 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kbnW51p.jpg)

http://astrolibertarian.blogspot.com/2013/05/three-wise-men.html

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 01:51:22 PM

Quote

Throughout my adulthood, I have never made a secret of the fact that I have epilepsy. It’s better controlled now than it has been during other parts of my life, but not completely—my neurologist tells me I have intractable epilepsy, meaning treatment will never bring the condition fully under control. I know how people—particularly children—with seizures suffer when uninformed idiots suggest they should impose limits of their lives or quell their aspirations. So when Fox News blowhard and college dropout Sean Hannity practically drooled in delight this election season as he falsely proclaimed that Hillary Clinton suffered from seizures based on her acting goofy in a short video clip, it infuriated me. I knew how his message would be heard—people with seizures look ridiculous, they should be afraid of others laughing at them, they should listen to the voices telling them they can’t do what they want (even be president). And so I raged at Hannity in the pages of Newsweek, on cable television news shows and on Twitter.

Quote

A couple of weeks later, after my article about how Trump’s business interests would create a conflict of unprecedented proportions, I received a tweet from someone with the twitter handle “Mike's Deplorable AF.” Like many Trump supporters, he has chosen to identify himself as deplorable to mock the label once used by Clinton to describe the racists, neo-Nazis, homophobes and like who have crawled out of the sewer to cheer for the Republican nominee. Mike, however, is indeed deplorable.

In his tweet, which has since been deleted, Mike made mention of my seizures and included a small video. It contained images of Pepe the Frog, a cartoon character that has been identified by the Anti-Defamation League as a hate symbol. I was carrying my iPad, looking at the still image on the video and, without thinking, touched the PLAY button.

The video was some sort of strobe light, with flashing circles and images of Pepe flying toward the screen. It’s what’s called epileptogenic—something that triggers seizures. Fortunately, since I was standing, I simply dropped my iPad to the ground the second I realized what Mike had done. It landed face down on the bathroom floor.

The deplorables are real. The deplorables are dangerous.

http://www.newsweek.com/epileptogenic-pepe-video-507417

 :holeup :holeup :holeup :holeup
jesus fuck

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 01:53:31 PM

2020 time!

Quote

If Donald Trump were to lose the 2016 election, which one of the following
Republicans would be your top choice to see run for President in 2020?
Mike Pence 22%
Donald Trump 13%
Paul Ryan 13%
Ted Cruz 12%
Marco Rubio 11%
John Kasich 7%
Tom Cotton 1%

Quote

If Hillary Clinton were to lose the 2016 election, which one of the following Democrats
would be your top choice to see run for President in 2020?
Elizabeth Warren 28%
Tim Kaine 16%
Cory Booker 9%
Andrew Cuomo 8%

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Rufus on October 07, 2016, 01:57:32 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 01:51:22 PM

Quote

Throughout my adulthood, I have never made a secret of the fact that I have epilepsy. It’s better controlled now than it has been during other parts of my life, but not completely—my neurologist tells me I have intractable epilepsy, meaning treatment will never bring the condition fully under control. I know how people—particularly children—with seizures suffer when uninformed idiots suggest they should impose limits of their lives or quell their aspirations. So when Fox News blowhard and college dropout Sean Hannity practically drooled in delight this election season as he falsely proclaimed that Hillary Clinton suffered from seizures based on her acting goofy in a short video clip, it infuriated me. I knew how his message would be heard—people with seizures look ridiculous, they should be afraid of others laughing at them, they should listen to the voices telling them they can’t do what they want (even be president). And so I raged at Hannity in the pages of Newsweek, on cable television news shows and on Twitter.

Quote

A couple of weeks later, after my article about how Trump’s business interests would create a conflict of unprecedented proportions, I received a tweet from someone with the twitter handle “Mike's Deplorable AF.” Like many Trump supporters, he has chosen to identify himself as deplorable to mock the label once used by Clinton to describe the racists, neo-Nazis, homophobes and like who have crawled out of the sewer to cheer for the Republican nominee. Mike, however, is indeed deplorable.

In his tweet, which has since been deleted, Mike made mention of my seizures and included a small video. It contained images of Pepe the Frog, a cartoon character that has been identified by the Anti-Defamation League as a hate symbol. I was carrying my iPad, looking at the still image on the video and, without thinking, touched the PLAY button.

The video was some sort of strobe light, with flashing circles and images of Pepe flying toward the screen. It’s what’s called epileptogenic—something that triggers seizures. Fortunately, since I was standing, I simply dropped my iPad to the ground the second I realized what Mike had done. It landed face down on the bathroom floor.

The deplorables are real. The deplorables are dangerous.

http://www.newsweek.com/epileptogenic-pepe-video-507417

 :holeup :holeup :holeup :holeup
jesus fuck

Nothing to see here, just a bit of roughhousing meme magic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 07, 2016, 02:03:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMi8_7UOnto

Fascinating.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 02:04:17 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 01:53:31 PM

2020 time!

Quote

If Donald Trump were to lose the 2016 election, which one of the following
Republicans would be your top choice to see run for President in 2020?
Mike Pence 22%
Donald Trump 13%
Paul Ryan 13%
Ted Cruz 12%
Marco Rubio 11%
John Kasich 7%
Tom Cotton 1%

Quote

If Hillary Clinton were to lose the 2016 election, which one of the following Democrats
would be your top choice to see run for President in 2020?
Elizabeth Warren 28%
Tim Kaine 16%
Cory Booker 9%
Andrew Cuomo 8%

Andrew Cuomo  :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 02:36:26 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 07, 2016, 02:03:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMi8_7UOnto

Fascinating.

man, SNL sure was shitty back in the day..

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on October 07, 2016, 02:36:59 PM

Hahahahaha. Go do one you fucking gobshites

http://www.thejournal.ie/megyn-kelly-sean-hannity-donald-trump-3015113-Oct2016/

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 02:42:03 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on October 07, 2016, 02:36:59 PM

Hahahahaha. Go do one you fucking gobshites

http://www.thejournal.ie/megyn-kelly-sean-hannity-donald-trump-3015113-Oct2016/

Read: Trump urges terminally ill people to “hang on” to vote for him

This isn't The Onion. :fbm

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 07, 2016, 03:24:48 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/charles-krauthammer-advises-trump-deny-quotes-facts-second-debate

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“I think he can hold his own,” Krauthammer said in a panel discussion that aired Thursday on Fox. “He just needs to be—to ignore, as everybody here has said—ignore the bait. He should just dismiss all the quotations that he hears, the way that Pence did. Deny it ever happened and then ignore the fact checkers the next day.”

(http://i.imgur.com/Y4v4FHg.gif)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2016, 03:27:50 PM

Trump literally lacks the ability to do that, though.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 03:47:42 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on October 07, 2016, 02:36:59 PM

Hahahahaha. Go do one you fucking gobshites

http://www.thejournal.ie/megyn-kelly-sean-hannity-donald-trump-3015113-Oct2016/

u should be mad at @HillaryClinton Clearly you support her

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Post by: Tasty on October 07, 2016, 04:02:59 PM

https://twitter.com/JohnJHarwood/status/784425792084307968

:mindblown

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 04:04:50 PM

They were acquitted by a very against police judge.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 07, 2016, 04:07:06 PM

are you shitting me?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 04:07:42 PM

And very against police DNA.

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Post by: Tasty on October 07, 2016, 04:10:10 PM

Donald Trump did a practice town hall last night. It didn’t go well. (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/7/13198922/trump-debate-prep)

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Trump pandered to the New England crowd by telling them he was rooting for the Red Sox in their ongoing playoff matchup against the Cleveland Indians, even though ultimately pandering to Ohio voters is more important, and Trump is supposed to be a Yankees fan.

Ugh now I'm rooting for the same team Trump is. :snoop

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After saying he would take 20 questions, Trump only sat through 12 — making the whole event last just 30 minutes rather than the 90 he is going to need to stay focused for on Sunday.

:lol Oh man, Sunday is going to be glorious.

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Post by: james on October 07, 2016, 04:44:00 PM

Unemployment up AGAIN .

$5 on Trump mentioning it at the debate

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Post by: Tasty on October 07, 2016, 04:45:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lP2c0rDEFCk

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Post by: Tasty on October 07, 2016, 04:51:49 PM

Donald Trump On Getting Women: "Grab Them By The Pussy" (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-on-getting-women-grab-them-by-the-pussy-1787545407)

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“I moved on her like a bitch, but I couldn’t get there. And she was married.”

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“I did try and fuck her. She was married.”

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“Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”

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“Grab them by the pussy. You can do anything.”

:doge

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 04:58:03 PM

When relationship thread advice goes too far.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 05:51:25 PM

I think thats the final nail

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 06:09:42 PM

Trump only said that misogynistic stuff as an entertainer. They were just jokes, lighten up, sugar tits.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 06:10:52 PM

Quote from: Trump response

Bill Clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course - not even close.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 06:11:44 PM

:rofl

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 06:15:11 PM

www.cnn.com/2016/10/07/politics/donald-trump-women-vulgar/index.html?adkey=bn

I like how CNN gives no fucks, and aren't even "bleeping" any of the text. They want you to know exactly what he said.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 07, 2016, 06:17:37 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 07, 2016, 05:51:25 PM

I think thats the final nail

To be fair, we've been saying that since last June.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2016, 06:20:23 PM

Look, no one has more respect for hot dames than Trump, okay?

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 07, 2016, 06:22:30 PM

People warned Trump not to fuck with Martin Baron :whew

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 06:37:58 PM

 :lol :lol :lol

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Post by: Mandark on October 07, 2016, 06:39:42 PM

God I hope he loses, but I'd also love to hear the Oval Office tapes from the alternate dimension where he wins.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 07, 2016, 06:43:36 PM

I just hope this gets called "Pussygate" and all of the Very Serious People in the media that have been trying to play the false equivalency game for the better part of a year have to say it repeatedly.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 06:44:33 PM

Assagne released this shit in response:

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927 (https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927)

It's fucking nothing :rofl

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Post by: Steve Contra on October 07, 2016, 06:46:43 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuMtI3_WcAAfOyL.jpg)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 06:54:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 07, 2016, 06:43:36 PM

I just hope this gets called "Pussygate" and all of the Very Serious People in the media that have been trying to play the false equivalency game for the better part of a year have to say it repeatedly.

Trump said pussy, Hillary has one. #BothSidesDoIt

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 06:56:01 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 06:54:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 07, 2016, 06:43:36 PM

I just hope this gets called "Pussygate" and all of the Very Serious People in the media that have been trying to play the false equivalency game for the better part of a year have to say it repeatedly.

Trump said pussy, Hillary has one. #BothSidesDoIt

That's no way to talk about Huma.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 07:21:23 PM

Not only this,

but this

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37592684

and this

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-central-park-five_us_57f7ceafe4b0e655eab3c002


:lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 07:30:47 PM

I won't be satisfied until Trump has his Hot 97 moment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y169BY1J8EE

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 07:33:08 PM

wtf is even saying?

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 07:39:33 PM

Any chance this causes the GOP to withdraw support?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 07:40:24 PM

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/784469076718616576

:lol

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Post by: zomgee on October 07, 2016, 07:43:53 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 07, 2016, 07:40:24 PM

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/784469076718616576

:lol

Grab them by the pussy

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2016, 07:46:22 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 07, 2016, 07:40:24 PM

https://twitter.com/SpeakerRyan/status/784469076718616576

:lol

Oh, I thought this was going to be about a national restraining order against Trump.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 07:49:34 PM

Quote

Republican National Committee chairman Reince Priebus condemned Donald Trump's sexually aggressive comments about women in a curt statement: "No woman should ever be described in these terms or talked about in this manner. Ever."

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 07:53:24 PM

Trump needs to settle this and win back America by going up to the best looking "undecided voter" at the Town Hall and grabbing her by the pussy to prove the science behind his comment.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 08:00:18 PM

Gonna grab America by the pussy come election day or come at her like a bitch?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 08:00:52 PM

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii 43m
Read Trump's comment again. He is basically saying, "If you are rich and famous, women will let you do anything." "Let" indicating consent.




checkmate liberals!

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 08:10:49 PM

lieberals are all about the strong independent woman until some real alpha comes along and then they claim she's helpless and they need to protect her from the alpha for her "own good"

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 08:14:15 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 08:10:49 PM

lieberals are all about the strong independent woman until some real alpha comes along and then they claim she's helpless and they need to protect her from the alpha for her "own good"

FACT CHECK:

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Though Nunberg left Trump’s campaign in August, in a recent poll conducted for another client, Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.” The figure with the favorable abstract framing of Trump beat the figure with the negative abstract framing of Clinton by more than 20 points, according to Nunberg.

...

“He’s a masculine figure and that will attract women to him,” said Nunberg. “It’s their dirty little secret. They like Donald Trump.”

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2016, 08:16:04 PM

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Nunberg asked women in Connecticut who opposed marijuana legalization who they respected more: a politician who is also charitable and a world-renowned businessman, father and grandfather or an “Elderly woman who not only openly allows her husband to have affairs but tries to silence the women.”

:doge

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 08:22:11 PM

Do you think his lead has increased or decreased among women who oppose marijuana legalization in Connecticut? The media is so derelict in their duty to follow up on stories like this.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 08:24:13 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 06:56:01 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2016, 06:54:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 07, 2016, 06:43:36 PM

I just hope this gets called "Pussygate" and all of the Very Serious People in the media that have been trying to play the false equivalency game for the better part of a year have to say it repeatedly.

Trump said pussy, Hillary has one. #BothSidesDoIt

That's no way to talk about Huma.

Hillary has said far worse to me at the beauty salon - not even close.

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 08:37:37 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=219442238&postcount=1426

would that make Hannity a Cuckservative

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 08:50:21 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/784538160852267008
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/784538917970317312
https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/784547085639151616

15 years of trolling and I've never come close to this. Pretty depressing tbh.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 08:52:36 PM

Donald Trump, latter-latter day pussy-grabbin' saint

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 09:12:48 PM

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/784560208001531905
:drudge

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 09:13:07 PM

Quote

Billy Bush is “horribly embarrassed” by the Donald Trump tape — while TV insiders are tittering that it must have been leaked by staffers on his former show “Access Hollywood.”

And while we’re told producers at “Today” and NBC News are appalled by his conversation with the presidential hopeful, Bush’s job at the morning show is safe.

An NBC insider said: “It happened 11 years ago … Billy was in a different place. He was a lot younger and more immature. He’s definitely embarrassed by this, but his job at ‘Today’ is safe.”

whew

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 09:14:29 PM

Quote from: Dr. Ben Carson spokesman Armstrong Williams

He concluded the interview by saying, “Hey, the flesh can be weak, my man.”

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 09:15:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 07, 2016, 09:12:48 PM

https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/784560208001531905
:drudge

O shit.  If there was ever a great excuse to bail in Trump this is it. 

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2016, 09:16:21 PM

Quote

Billy was in a different place. He was a lot younger and more immature.

He was 33 at the time.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 09:17:31 PM

That's like a teenager for a male in show business. 

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 09:18:28 PM

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An 11-year-old selectively edited secret recording of Donald J. Trump speaking to Access Hollywood host Billy Bush has been released in violation of the law by The Washington Post Amazon billionaire Jeff Bezos’ blog.

Secret recordings without consent are totally illegal in the state of California, where the video was filmed.

California is a “two-party consent” state which means all parties on a recording must consent to being recorded.

There is no indication the consent of Mr. Trump was given to the recording and publishing of this tape.

The byline of the Washington Post piece says it was written by David A. Fahrenthold, a noted anti-Trumper who previously wrote about Donald Trump without disclosing that his wife worked for a non-profit run by a Mexican president and funded by George Soros and the Clinton Foundation.

Conflict of interest much?

Not just illegal, TOTALLY ILLEGAL.

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David Fahrenthold also has a nasty journalistic history described by his subjects as “absurd, disturbing, and not ethical.”

Why should we trust that this latest recording was not unethically obtained, illegally posted, and/or selectively edited?

We demand The Washington Post release the whole video without editing immediately.

The Washington Post has been angrily feuding with Donald Trump since he revoked their press credentials for poor coverage earlier this year.

We understand that they are mad, but publishing illegal recordings without full disclosure of conflicts of interest is not the way to get your press credentials back.

:o

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 09:19:57 PM

Fuck guys, this isn't even the best of it. Stay tuned for the 3AM twitter storm Trump is about to unleash.  :lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2016, 09:20:41 PM

It wasn't a secret recording, they just forgot that they were on a hot mic. :heh

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 07, 2016, 09:21:50 PM

I think every dude has to deal with this type of guy once in a while. The self-hating, "beta" mindset type who spouts about a pretend sexual LARP conquest that they had every 10 minutes. When you know the most exciting sex he's had this decade was with himself.

I mean he did get rejected by taking a woman furniture shopping.

I do foresee this having a massive impact on his evangelical woman turnout but a lot of dudes could finally be too annoyed to turn up to vote.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 09:24:42 PM

Dana Perino not pleased with Trump or Bill O'Reilly defending Trump (~3:05):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQO17mmevAE

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Last time she was on O'Reilly supporting polls over FACTS, probably going to jointly vote with Megyn Kelly for Hillary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz0U-4kH3AE

[close]

EDIT: Just realized Dana took a sly shot at Roger Ailes. :lol

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2016, 09:26:22 PM

lol.

I just found out my brother and his wife don't go to the church they've been going to for the last like 10 years. Because their pastor kept bringing up Trump and telling them they should vote for him.

 :heh

For a little backstory this has been going on for years. They are black like me obviously but they had been going to a predominantly white church that was near them all these years. So I found out a long time ago that the pastor was a Republican and had been telling them to vote Republican going all the way to the Bush years. He was very anti-Obama both elections. I use to fuck with my brother and tease him about it a lot but whatever. I'm an atheist so its not like they were going to listen to me or take me seriously. My brother is a democrat but had basically been humouring his wife for all these years because she liked the church. Well I guess this pastor with his Trump pushing was a bridge too far even for my sister in law so they have quit that church. I laughed my ass off when my brother told me about this today. 

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 09:47:50 PM

McCain is such a fuck. 

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 09:52:02 PM

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One week after explaining why he planned to vote for Donald Trump, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman said it is time for the Republican nominee to drop out of the race and allow vice presidential nominee Mike Pence to represent the party.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2016, 09:55:23 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 09:52:02 PM

Quote

Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3LE15AyT5g

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 09:59:05 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1290872&page=44

damn, gaffers are stupid. They whip themselves into a frenzy over a fake tweet without even checking it.

You bet your sweet sugartits that someone is babysitting all of Trump's Twitter activities right now. It's in the wee hours of the night when everyone is asleep is when the crazy Trump tweets should be expected.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 10:12:34 PM

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OMFG he doubled down. He actually doubled down!

Sunday can't come fast enough.

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No



Way




Lord have mercy, I can only be so erect

problematic choice of words there

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Is this a potential tipping point where other women come forward to talk about Trump's predatory actions?

This seems like the kind of fight Trump actually has wanted, him versus Billary re: sex and women.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 10:14:38 PM

Someone should hire someone to go back and connect all the usernames jerking off in that thread with all the ones whining about the media's refusal to cover seriously policy discussion and Hillary's real platform against Sanders' phony one from six months ago or whatever.

And then crosscheck it with Correct The Records payment stubs so we can find Andy.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 10:37:05 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/07/the-gops-biggest-fear-appears-to-be-coming-true-independents-ditching-donald-trump/?tid=sm_tw

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 10:47:10 PM

This all reminds me of a question I wanted to ask a while back and forgot. Did any of you guys watch much of The Apprentice? (Trump's inferior version that is, not Alan Sugar's greatness.)

I watched I think, eight of the first eleven seasons. And I've been pondering this is part of why I haven't been so shocked as other people (people IRL not like the media or even internet people like you guys) claim to be about his behavior. Or even his fly by the seat of his pants primary campaign and debate performances. This was how Trump was on the show. Played favorites and made decisions based off of the smallest bowl of information and rejected any evidence to the contrary forever, used this to insult people who were actually correct, said regularly sexist things, leered over women that they had to pretend to like, said borderline racist things that he thought were actually compliments, constantly touted everything he did as the best and greatest, the existence of Trump Ice, the kids, etc. Ivanka and even Donald Jr. often were clearly cringing at things he was saying in the boardroom. (You could tell when Ivanka finally just gave up on trying to get her dad to focus on the actual tasks rather than which celebs he liked.)

I wonder if Penn/Adam Carolla/etc. have discussed it since he started running since they were seeing the unedited version and were critical of many-Trump aspects inherent to the show prior. (They and Dee Snider and others all implied that of all the editing on the show, it was to make Trump look better more than anything related to the outcomes or stuff like fans seemed to think. Non celeb contestants said similar things about their version.) Annie Duke and some other women basically outright said Trump was a pig with his comments/judgements at times.

A cursory search shows Piers Morgan of all assholes defending Trump until late June of this year when Trump refused to oppose the NRA. :lol

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Piers Morgan ✔ @piersmorgan
Muhammad Ali said far more inflammatory/racist things about white people than Donald Trump ever has about Muslims. #fact
4:35 AM - 5 Jun 2016

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Piers Morgan ✔ @piersmorgan
Watch this #Ali interview & imagine if it had been #Trump saying all this.
Then you may understand my point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqiWFLsgVi4)
11:10 AM - 5 Jun 2016

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Piers Morgan ✔ @piersmorgan
Muhammad Ali WAS a racist who repented. Trump ISN'T a racist but needs a more tolerant tune.
2:58 PM - 6 Jun 2016

:neogaf

It doesn't really matter, I'm just musing like I do, I guess if anything I'm surprised there isn't more of this old stuff being found. Especially by an opp-research team like the Clintons. Even many of the long form backstory pieces were thin gruel about anything Trump did before until somebody finally pulled out those 1980s real estate archives that nobody cared about.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 10:50:09 PM

huh, from the other day:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-10-04/trump-repeatedly-demeaned-women-on-hit-show-the-apprentice/7899898

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In interviews with more than 20 people who were former crew members, editors and contestants on the show, many described Mr Trump's crass behaviour behind the scenes of the long-running hit show, in which aspiring capitalists were given tasks to perform as they competed for jobs working for him.

The staffers and contestants agreed to recount their experiences as Mr Trump's behaviour toward women has become a core issue in the presidential campaign.

Eight former crew members recalled that Mr Trump repeatedly made lewd comments about a camerawoman he said had a nice rear, comparing her beauty to that of his daughter, Ivanka.

During one season, he called for female contestants to wear shorter dresses that also showed more cleavage, according to contestant Gene Folkes.

Several cast members said Mr Trump had one female contestant twirl before him so he could ogle her figure.

Randal Pinkett, who won the program in December 2005 and who has recently criticised Mr Trump during his run for president, said he remembered the real estate mogul talking about which female contestants he wanted to sleep with, even though Mr Trump had married former model Melania Knauss earlier that year.

"He was like 'isn't she hot, check her out,' kind of gawking," Mr Pinkett said.

Former producer Katherine Walker said Mr Trump frequently talked about women's bodies during the five seasons she worked with him and said he speculated about which female contestant would be "a tiger in bed".

A former crew member who signed a non-disclosure agreement and asked not to be identified, recalled that Mr Trump asked male contestants whether they would sleep with a particular female contestant, then expressed his own interest.

"We were in the boardroom one time figuring out who to blame for the task, and he just stopped in the middle and pointed to someone and said, 'You'd f... her, wouldn't you? I'd f... her. C'mon, wouldn't you?'
"Everyone is trying to make him stop talking, and the woman is shrinking in her seat."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urReg9O6MwA

http://fortune.com/2016/09/08/donald-trump-the-apprentice-burnett/

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The concept NBC bought envisioned Trump as host for only one year. The idea was to have a different mogul as the star each season. Trump was to be followed by Branson, Cuban, and Martha Stewart, the home-furnishings billionaire who had not yet been convicted and imprisoned for obstructing justice and lying about a stock sale.

That notion fell by the wayside during the taping of the first episode. The script for The Apprentice called for the host to play a relatively modest role. The show was about the contestants—and more than 215,000 people had signed up to become one of the first sixteen candidates on the show, living in a faux-apartment set that Burnett had built on the same floor of Trump Tower as the boardroom set (the elevator that contestants would be seen taking “up to the boardroom” was just one more piece of showbiz). Trump was to introduce the challenge that contestants faced at the start of each episode, then appear in a brief boardroom scene at the end, when he would decide which contestant had performed poorly and would not return the next week.

Trump took to his TV role as if he’d spent his life preparing for it. The taping went on for nearly three hours, well longer than planned. A couple of days later, when NBC executives screened rough cuts of the boardroom scenes, they were unanimous: the show’s script needed to be revised. Trump’s scenes were gold. “After the first episode,” Gaspin recalled, “we said we want more Trump.”

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“I’m the largest real estate developer in New York,” Trump’s voice-over boasted. “I own buildings all over the place. Model agencies, the Miss Universe pageant, jetliners, golf courses, casinos, and private resorts like Mar-a-Lago. . . . I’ve mastered the art of the deal and have turned the name Trump into the highest-quality brand. And as the master, I want to pass along some of my knowledge to somebody else.”

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Although TV reality shows generally follow a detailed outline, Trump made clear from the start that he intended to just wing it. He didn’t like the idea of memorizing lines. He would read the outline for the episode ahead of time, but once the camera was rolling, he would improvise his part, just as he always had at speaking engagements. In the first boardroom scene, when it came time for Trump to decide which finalist would not return the next week, he blurted, “You’re fired.” Backstage, the production crew immediately cheered the line, cementing its place in future episodes.

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When Elizabeth Jarosz, a second-season contestant who later became a brand strategy consultant, once stood near Trump as he finished a press interview, she was surprised when he turned to her and asked, “How did I do? Was that okay?”

“Wow,” Jarosz thought. “He was very insecure.” Another time, Jarosz sat with Trump at a bar as he explained his view that “all publicity is good publicity. . . . When people get tired of you is when you do more publicity, because that’s when you become an icon.”

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Trump also proposed that a network create a dramatic series based on his life and work. To be called The Tower, the idea was for it to be The West Wing of the real estate development world, with a main character who aspires to excellence, craves winning, and is out to build the tallest building in the world.

...

Trump gave the writer only one note: he wanted the main character’s last name to be Barron. No problem, Walch said. The Tower would be the story of John Barron—the name Trump had used for years when he called news outlets with tips for stories about Donald Trump.

:rofl

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 10:52:47 PM

Now the master has passed on the art of pussy grabbing to the world. 

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 10:55:24 PM

I don't think anyone is surprised by Trump's behavior, benji. It's just a giant mindfuck that he's made it this far, and it is a bit surprising that he would unravel like that. I guess, as crude and simple-minded as he is, most people thought he at least could keep it together during his run for president.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 10:57:51 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A-Z5sRwgLM

lol i remember this one, trump was so fucking weird and got hung up on the oddest things



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnYPtrYRba8

 :bow ivanka :bow2

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 11:02:22 PM

 :lol :lol :lol Trump said "you shouldn't just say things off the top of your head"

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Post by: Mandark on October 07, 2016, 11:03:54 PM

When was the last time anyone was surprised by his behavior?

I guess some pundits were predicting a "pivot" as he wrapped up the nomination, but this (https://twitter.com/heerjeet/status/709049320406851584) basically summed that up.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 11:07:49 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 10:55:24 PM

I don't think anyone is surprised by Trump's behavior, benji. It's just a giant mindfuck that he's made it this far, and it is a bit surprising that he would unravel like that. I guess, as crude and simple-minded as he is, most people thought he at least could keep it together during his run for president.

See, this is the disconnect, there was never any evidence to support this and I have no clue why people thought he would "pivot" and "become respectable." Not just from The Apprentice which was just a public record of his stubborn neverchange attitude, but from the entire history of the guy. The Central Park Five thing is a perfect example of his refusal to go outside the established Trump Reality no matter how much time or facts or anything else come into play.

Trump won the primaries doing the opposite of running a standard campaign, he's not going to change his strategy, it goes against his entire philosophical mindset. Plus he's a cheapskate who hires/fires for completely irrelevant to the job reasons. Which he did by punting out the one guy (who won him the primaries) now at CNN and bringing in the Breitbart dude who was telling him he was perfect the way he is.

As for making it this far, I know the older folks on here remember me harping on how immigration was going to decide the GOP race and all the other stuff people were talking about "Obamacare"/"government shutdowns"/etc. were negotiable within the base. Trump was the only one who came in hard with the exact position the base wanted to hear. Rubio and Jeb! were always going to struggle to flip on it, Cruz is Cruz.

Of course I did think Walker was the guy and he should have stayed in until March 1st at least. Walker/Martinez 2016. PD knows what I'm talking about.

Quote from: Mandark on October 07, 2016, 11:03:54 PM

When was the last time anyone was surprised by his behavior?

I guess some pundits were predicting a "pivot" as he wrapped up the nomination, but this (https://twitter.com/heerjeet/status/709049320406851584) basically summed that up.

There's a better word to use than surprised I think but I can't pull it up.

Addicted maybe.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 11:11:07 PM

Video statement coming from Trump.  Apparently prerecorded, so scripted.  And apparently "sincere."
Ugh

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 11:11:16 PM

https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/784492570080481280

:dead

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 11:14:47 PM

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“Voters of faith are voting on issues like who will protect unborn life, defend religious freedom, create jobs, and oppose the Iran nuclear deal,” Faith and Freedom Coalition president Ralph Reed said in an email to BuzzFeed News. “Ten-year-old tapes of private conversation with a television talk show host rank very low on their hierarchy of concerns.”

Asked if he had any comment on the tape itself and if he was definitely standing by Trump, Reed said, “I think the statement is self explanatory.”

Tony Perkins, who leads the Family Research Council, also did not reject Trump in the wake of the revelations, but indicated that he doesn’t share Trump’s values.

“My personal support for Donald Trump has never been based upon shared values, it is based upon shared concerns about issues such as: justices on the Supreme Court that ignore the constitution, America’s continued vulnerability to Islamic terrorists and the systematic attack on religious liberty that we’ve seen in the last 7 1/2 years,” Perkins said in an email to BuzzFeed News.

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 11:14:53 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/4nkexUu.jpg)

 :sabu

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 11:18:15 PM

David Frum decides Trump isn't all bad: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/how-to-rebuild-the-republican-party/503282/

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Meanwhile, anti-Trump conservatives will be thrust back into exactly the position they held from 2013 to 2015: exponents of an ideology that does not command majority assent even within the Republican coalition, never mind the country as a whole. Repeal Obamacare; end the Medicare guarantee for people under age 55; offer big tax cuts to corporations and the richest taxpayers; pass constitutional amendments to stop abortion and same-sex marriage; back immigration reform that increases the flow of low-wage labor into the economy; take no action on climate change or other environmental concerns: that message has been tried and found wanting again and again since 2009, and it’s not going to appeal any more strongly after November. Whatever else Donald Trump did, he confirmed that a majority of Republican voters also want a message that secures health coverage, raises middle-class incomes, and enforces borders and national identity.

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Trump saw that Republican voters are much less religious in behavior than they profess to pollsters. He saw that the social-insurance state has arrived to stay. He saw that Americans regard healthcare as a right, not a privilege. He saw that Republican voters had lost their optimism about their personal futures—and the future of their country. He saw that millions of ordinary people who do not deserve to be dismissed as bigots were sick of the happy talk and reality-denial that goes by the too generous label of “political correctness.” He saw that the immigration polices that might have worked for the mass-production economy of the 1910s don’t make sense in the 2010s. He saw that rank-and-file Republicans had become nearly as disgusted with the power of money in politics as rank-and-file Democrats long have been. He saw that Republican presidents are elected, when they are elected, by employees as well as entrepreneurs. He saw these things, and he was right to see them.

The wiser response to the impending Republican electoral defeat is to learn from Trump's insights—separate them from Trump’s volatile personality and noxious attitudes—and use them to develop better, more workable, and more broadly acceptable policies for a 21st-century center-right.

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Instead of drawing up lists of the people never to be forgiven for their roles in 2016, Republicans should be thinking about how they can work more harmoniously. If nothing else, Donald Trump pulled down the final curtain on the politics of the 1980s. So many Republicans have been yearning for one final hurrah for what worked 35 years ago. But as one of the shrewdest of small-c conservatives warned a century ago: “The commonest error in politics is sticking to the carcass of dead policies.” Policies become dead not only because they have failed, but—maybe even more!—because they have succeeded, and thus eliminated the problem they were adopted to address. The way to inoculate the Republican Party against another Trump is to address the new problems that most Republican leaders ignored, and that Trump therefore could cunningly exploit.

The democratic world today is roiled by a tide of nationalist populism. Trump is just the local American variant of a trend that has expressed itself as Brexit in the U.K., the National Front in France, the Alternative for Germany, and so many other movements from Minsk to Madrid. The way to respond to a political tide is not to command it to halt, but to divert and channel it.

The United States in the 1930s—and western Europe after the Second World War—defeated revolutionary communism not only by standing against subversion, but also by building social-insurance states that alleviated the discontents on which communism battened. By mitigating the terrors of unemployment and poverty and the anxieties of sickness and old age, our grandparents transformed proletarians into conservatives. It’s our job now to do the same thing with the dislocations caused by mass migration and the economic rise of China and India. Successful conservatives know when to yield a little in order to preserve more. If Republicans can take just that from the strange career of Donald Trump, we may yet owe him and his supporters some thanks.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 11:20:51 PM

https://twitter.com/keitholbermann/status/784588142259105792

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 11:30:56 PM

King David grabbed 500 pussies confirmed.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2016, 11:33:33 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lZ0r1-mvMY

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 07, 2016, 11:39:31 PM

This episode has lead me through the depths of Twitter where I found out that Willco has a VERIFIED Twitter acount 😂

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Post by: Dennis on October 07, 2016, 11:39:46 PM

What is the problem really?

America loves Bill Clinton and he dildoed an intern he had power over with a cigar.

His wife is still with him.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 07, 2016, 11:43:31 PM

tbh i really dont care about what he said, i just like that he fucked himself over

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2016, 11:49:52 PM

Trump violated the cardinal rule of politics. You can't shit talk white women. You can trash talk and demonize blacks, muslims, latino's, etc. But not white women.

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Post by: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 11:51:33 PM

According to my Facebook feed, 100K people are talking about the Trump scandal, while 1M are talking about Wikileaks. :huh

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2016, 11:49:52 PM

Trump violated the cardinal rule of politics. You can't shit talk white women. You can trash talk and demonize blacks, muslims, latino's, etc. But not white women.

He's been shit talking Hilary for months.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2016, 11:52:57 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 07, 2016, 11:51:33 PM

According to my Facebook feed, 100K people are talking about the Trump scandal, while 1M are talking about Wikileaks. :huh

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 07, 2016, 11:49:52 PM

Trump violated the cardinal rule of politics. You can't shit talk white women. You can trash talk and demonize blacks, muslims, latino's, etc. But not white women.

He's been shit talking Hilary for months.

women as in plural. Not woman. You can always shit talk individuals.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 08, 2016, 12:13:10 AM

https://www.facebook.com/DonaldTrump/videos/10157844642270725/

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 12:16:00 AM

It's over guys, enough of this silly distraction about a comment made a decade ago, lets get back to the real issues like Bill Clinton's rapes and Hillary Clinton's part in them.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 08, 2016, 12:46:28 AM

https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/784597815607566337

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 01:04:40 AM

I don't get the whole "it's just locker room talk!" defense.
I've done my share of time in locker rooms and while, yes, you will hear insanely crass things you don't hear this rapey, entitled stuff and certainly not "grab her by the pussy" Maybe I've been lucky but I don't get that excuse.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 01:06:41 AM

What's with the assumption that as soon as men start undressing in the locker room they start talking about sex. :doge

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 01:10:48 AM

https://i.redd.it/kachzwhu06qx.jpg
:dead

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 01:12:28 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 01:06:41 AM

What's with the assumption that as soon as men start undressing in the locker room they start talking about sex. :doge

I know. It's so hard to do with a cock in your mouth.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 01:30:54 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl7JWrwkpSM

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 08, 2016, 01:45:30 AM

Damn I started clapping.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 01:48:31 AM

Only white soccer mom hypocrisy can run so deep to say "Please don't say 'Pussy'!" on TV two minutes after you defended your political candidate for saying it.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2016, 01:51:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27oxsxc4n8c

Skip to 1:10.

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Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 01:55:41 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 01:48:31 AM

Only white soccer mom hypocrisy can run so deep to say "Please don't say 'Pussy'!" on TV two minutes after you defended your political candidate for saying it.

but what about statutes of limitation on saying you grab pussies bro

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 08, 2016, 02:07:23 AM

Jason Chaffetz just pulled his endorsement of Donald. He's good cover for any other GOP-er who wants to bail out as well, as he's one of the leaders of the Nihilist Party... I mean, Freedom Caucus.

if this guy (who to be fair, reps Utah, which still ain't going to Hillary no matter what) feels safe enough to drop Trump, well, maybe this is a sign of things to come.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 02:13:01 AM

Senator Mike Lee (https://www.facebook.com/mikeleeUT/videos/10154626306667431/) asked Trump to step down, another from Utah...to go with the Governor Herbert and former Governor Jon Huntsman.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2016, 02:26:32 AM

cucks

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Post by: VomKriege on October 08, 2016, 02:40:45 AM

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See, this is the disconnect, there was never any evidence to support this and I have no clue why people thought he would "pivot" and "become respectable."

I think GOPers underestimated just how thick Trump is. Yes of course Trump is a bit of a celebrity and him being a chauvinistic narcissic pig with a temper was a matter of public record, there's very little that was a shocking reveal among the stuff newspaper dig up in hindsight. But a lot of people at the start of the campaign, myself included, thought he was more self-aware and shrewd than he turned out to be. Plus it's not like he came in with a coherent record on policy matters before being in the race : I mean he's from New York, even as a Republican how bad could it be ?

I think most people at the party realized that during the primary, but at that point it was already too late and they're stuck with him. The "pivot" was wishful thinking that he would act as a normal candidate with the party (and country) interests in mind, but really he's just in to funnel some petty campaign cash to his coffers and to sell himself to an ardent fanbase.

Quote from: BrandNew on October 07, 2016, 05:51:25 PM

I think thats the final nail

Nah, needs plenty more for the voodoo doll.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 08, 2016, 04:39:26 AM

That is EXACTLY how I envisioned Trump speaking behind closed doors.  :lol  It was the least shocking thing ever.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 05:03:06 AM

The good Scott Adams is still in there somewhere:
(http://66.media.tumblr.com/ddd69e38a9afaa316c2eae03df795969/tumblr_inline_oeprdmLT3d1t63ajm_500.png)

 :lol

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2016, 05:43:49 AM

Remember that post-Olympics 2 week scan in which Trump wasnt saying anything too crazy and kinda was on script? That was literally the only period of this process that he wasn't being batshit crazy yet some people were still scared. This is who he is. Even if this tape didn't exist he would have embarrassed himself at the upcoming debate and republicans would be running for the hills. Multiple meltdowns were always going to happen with someone as stupid and unpredictable as Trump.

TBH he's not that unpredictable actually...like, we know exactly how he'll respond if he's attacked. He fell for every little jab Hillary took in the first debate and it'll happen again in Sunday. But he's gonna be on FIRE, utterly insane.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 05:53:57 AM

For some reason they pulled the full version of this off Colbert's YouTube account:
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x4wcza4_who-are-mike-pence-and-tim-kaine_fun

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2016, 06:04:38 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on October 08, 2016, 12:43:06 AM

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Trump gave the writer only one note: he wanted the main character’s last name to be Barron. No problem, Walch said. The Tower would be the story of John Barron—the name Trump had used for years when he called news outlets with tips for stories about Donald Trump.

Donald Trump is a late season Simpsons character.

And then he named his son Barron.  :heh

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 06:32:41 AM

what is this lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2NBwt24PTe0

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2016, 06:55:42 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/D0U1moR.jpg)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2016, 07:29:40 AM

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The pool shot video of Pence and his daughter, Charlotte, ordering food and greeting patrons of Tony Packo’s. He then sat down briefly at a table to say hi to others before heading to the back of the restaurant for an interview with the newspaper, the Toledo Blade. During this time, the pool was waiting at the front of the restaurant. After about 20 minutes, it was then led halfway back into the restaurant by a Pence staffer in preparation for shooting Pence’s departure and, notably, his viewing of the Trump-signed hot dog bun, which the staffer specifically told the pool it would shoot. The Pence staffer, after leading the pool further into the restaurant, appeared to grow suspicious of the pool, which had been looking down at its phones and chatting. The pool did not address the Trump stories at all, but the staffer then left the pool to head to the back of the restaurant, where Pence and other aides were. Upon returning, the staffer said the pool needed to leave, specifically saying Pence would no longer be going to view the signed bun and, instead, would go directly to his campaign bus.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2016, 07:33:40 AM

https://twitter.com/SethAbramovitch/status/784614001661644800

the reaction shot :dead

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Post by: Trurl on October 08, 2016, 08:42:35 AM

I hope that during tomorrow's debate, Hillary looks Trump square in the eye and says "go ahead, Donald.  Grab MY pussy."

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2016, 08:59:22 AM

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37594918

"I'm sorry...I'll never let you down...lets be real, this is just a distraction...Bill has actually abused women'

:rofl

He couldn't even keep it up for a minute.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 08, 2016, 09:55:57 AM

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Trump: ‘I Know That Was Pretty Bad, But Let’s Just Say You’re Going To Want To Save Your Energy’

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09/21/16
Voting for Jill Stein is a Moral Imperative if George H.W. Bush Votes for Clinton

09/26/16
Bernie Sanders Should Have Been Debating Donald Trump. The DNC Favored the Wrong Candidate

Quote

If Democrats were truly frightened of a future with Donald Trump as president, they wouldn’t have undermined the only candidate capable of defeating Trump. As of now, if Trump doesn’t bite the head off a live pigeon on the debate stage, he’ll win the debate in the eyes of millions of viewers. The bar has been set quite low for Trump because of Clinton’s never-ending scandals.

Oh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2016, 10:26:04 AM

CNN played the video and only bleeped "fuck." I was pretty stunned lmao. So when Anna kept saying pussy I was taken aback too.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2016, 10:30:02 AM

People will remember Trumps great contribution to America and the world by making 'pussy' an acceptable word. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2016, 10:38:51 AM

This election really does have everything.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2016, 11:09:29 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 08, 2016, 09:55:57 AM

How is H.A. Goodman doing ?

(http://i.imgur.com/WGk5az4.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 11:15:24 AM

i did the second one

no regrets

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: thisismyusername on October 08, 2016, 12:00:08 PM

https://twitter.com/GreatDismal/status/784783566261497856

Quote from: William Gibson ‏@GreatDismal

7m7 minutes ago
At landfall Tycoon Pussygrabber was a mere Cat 2 storm, quickly upgraded to Cat 5 as extent of damage became apparent

 :lol :lol :lol

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Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 12:09:17 PM

Mike Pence is not attending the WI rally.

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Post by: thisismyusername on October 08, 2016, 12:11:33 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 12:09:17 PM

Mike Pence is not attending the WI rally.

Too busy grabbing pussies? ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2016, 12:15:33 PM

More like Trump has him by the pussy and hasn't let go yet

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Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 12:17:31 PM

Quote

despite calls to do so by elected officials including Illinois Sen. Mark Kirk, Colorado Rep. Mike Coffman, former Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman and former New Hampshire Sen. Gordon Humphrey.

"No one I've spoken with is in agreement with those you've mentioned," said West Virginia RNC Committeewoman Melody Potter, in an email. "My opinion, Trump should NOT be replaced."

"These same people need to yell for Hillary to be replaced since she is under investigation for her disappearing e-mails while she was Secretary of State," Potter added.

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Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 12:18:45 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 08, 2016, 12:15:33 PM

More like Trump has him by the pussy and hasn't let go yet

This man must be stopped, at the rate he's going there will be no more pussy left to grab

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Post by: Freyj on October 08, 2016, 12:39:35 PM

Oh boy I hope they double down on him in the wake of this. The fallout will be beautiful.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 08, 2016, 12:47:04 PM

Tomorrow's debate

 :lawd

I'm just gonna listen to this on repeat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDQlSUjqsuo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2016, 02:08:48 PM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7WTCBePyp2GCamIM/giphy.gif)

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 03:43:43 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/3QAamcm.jpg)

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Post by: helios on October 08, 2016, 03:45:47 PM

Great avatar

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2016, 03:55:57 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/index.html)

woof

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Trent Dole on October 08, 2016, 04:06:13 PM

The growing list of Republicans who have abandoned Donald Trump (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/donald-trump-list-of-republicans-reject-support-endorsement)
BAIL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 04:09:24 PM

the trump scandals are reaching critical mass

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 04:15:15 PM

I don't know if the republican party can survive the next four weeks, hopefully not

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 04:26:26 PM

Has there ever been someone that resigned the candidacy from a major party?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2016, 04:31:40 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 04:26:26 PM

Has there ever been someone that resigned the candidacy from a major party?

It's never happened before.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 04:37:04 PM

Trump would never resign. That would be taking a huge L, especially considering the whole reason for his run was to show up Obama. He will go down swinging and would rather take the whole party down with him than to admit defeat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 08, 2016, 04:52:52 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on October 08, 2016, 04:06:13 PM

The growing list of Republicans who have abandoned Donald Trump (https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/08/donald-trump-list-of-republicans-reject-support-endorsement)
BAIL

You're only seeing this because Pence had some buzz coming out of the VP debate.  A lot of these Republicans never wanted Trump to begin with and see a potential out after Pence look like a rational adult relative to the Trump Carnival.  Not that I blame them, they're jumping on a late controversy in an attempt to wrestle their party back.

This type of division isn't going away any time soon.  I can't really envision a leader or future candidate that could appease all the different GOP factions at this point (i.e. Paul Ryan vs. the Freedom Caucus)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 04:54:40 PM

Most of them didn't take back their endorsements though

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2016, 05:00:19 PM

speaking of.

https://twitter.com/rickklein/status/784860245512171520 (https://twitter.com/rickklein/status/784860245512171520)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2016, 05:03:08 PM

http://www.johnmccain.com/statement-from-john-mccain-withdrawing-support-of-donald-trump/ (http://www.johnmccain.com/statement-from-john-mccain-withdrawing-support-of-donald-trump/)

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Phoenix, AZ– John McCain issued the following statement today withdrawing his support of Donald Trump:

“In addition to my well known differences with Donald Trump on public policy issues, I have raised questions about his character after his comments on Prisoners of War, the Khan Gold Star family, Judge Curiel and earlier inappropriate comments about women. Just this week, he made outrageous statements about the innocent men in the Central Park Five case.

“As I said yesterday, there are no excuses for Donald Trump’s offensive and demeaning comments in the just released video; no woman should ever be victimized by this kind of inappropriate behavior. He alone bears the burden of his conduct and alone should suffer the consequences.

“I have wanted to support the candidate our party nominated. He was not my choice, but as a past nominee, I thought it important I respect the fact that Donald Trump won a majority of the delegates by the rules our party set. I thought I owed his supporters that deference.

“But Donald Trump’s behavior this week, concluding with the disclosure of his demeaning comments about women and his boasts about sexual assaults, make it impossible to continue to offer even conditional support for his candidacy. Cindy, with her strong background in human rights and respect for women fully agrees with me in this.

“Cindy and I will not vote for Donald Trump. I have never voted for a Democratic presidential candidate and we will not vote for Hillary Clinton. We will write in the name of some good conservative Republican who is qualified to be President.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 05:04:11 PM

They're all so two-faced . :lol Trump shitting on POW's, shitting on veterans suffering from PTSD, shitting on McCain himself, that wasn't enough to withdraw his endorsement. They just finally realized that Trump has no chance of winning now and throwing him to the wolves.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2016, 05:04:26 PM

Pretty much.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 08, 2016, 05:05:34 PM

The only thing that's changed for any of them is that in the past couple of weeks, the race went from "well, he MIGHT win, and if he doesn't it will be close, so no harm in backing him..." to Lord of the Flies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 05:09:03 PM

Honestly if he hadn't dropped the pussy bomb republicans probably wouldn't care.  But pussy offends their puritan sensibilities

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: helios on October 08, 2016, 05:35:32 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuRaSKNUIAEVrux.jpg)
PatsyLong @SweetPeaPatsy
The Trump women learned long ago how to protect their privates parts when Trump is around them.

 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2016, 05:45:29 PM

all future Pence events have been removed from Trump's campaign site

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2016, 05:46:24 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 08, 2016, 05:09:03 PM

Honestly if he hadn't dropped the pussy bomb republicans probably wouldn't care.  But pussy offends their puritan sensibilities

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17lkdqoLt44

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 08, 2016, 06:09:24 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 08, 2016, 05:45:29 PM

all future Pence events have been removed from Trump's campaign site

(http://i.imgur.com/TrAdfCD.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2016, 06:48:49 PM

Now Trump is just retweeting Juanita Broaddrick. Tomorrow is gonna be lit, fam.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2016, 07:27:49 PM

https://twitter.com/JohnFugelsang/status/784840352280768513?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 07:47:06 PM

https://mic.com/articles/156273/mike-pence-campaign-events-just-vanished-from-donald-trump-s-website?utm_source=policymicFB&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=WHFacebook&utm_content=inf_11_285_2&tse_id=INF_b04816d08daa11e6b6db4d0235f40af5#.7J8C70CUY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 08, 2016, 08:38:50 PM

Preibus telling donors to pull funds from Trump and devote them to down ticket races

Kelly Anne Conway replaced by Giuliani for Sunday press.

I'm 😄

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2016, 08:54:54 PM

I think it is more a post debate nose dive thing.  This is just a good excuse to get off the Trump train. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 08, 2016, 08:55:01 PM

That was a long painful handjob but the climax :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: helios on October 08, 2016, 09:09:55 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/Psxz73D.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Nola on October 08, 2016, 09:43:47 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on October 08, 2016, 08:41:02 PM

I didn't expect this to take off as much as it did. All it took was Trump saying pussy to get all the shit he deserved from the beginning?

Stoney is probably right about the white women thing.

Not only has it taken off, it is so powerful it has spawned a new found interest and outrage in shit that has been on youtube for years like his interviews with Howard Stern.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2016, 10:50:32 PM

GOP survived a president resigning because he was about to be impeached. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 10:52:09 PM

We will defacto have a one party system, if the two GOP splinters split their base evenly?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 08, 2016, 10:53:43 PM

Only for like 1 election cycle then things will reorder into two parties again

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 10:57:50 PM

imo the Republican party should splinter into 3 factions: The Evangelicals, the fiscal conservatives, and the alt-right cuntbags/tea partiers. The fiscal conservatives may be allowed to join the libertarian party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 08, 2016, 11:04:47 PM

brb watching agrajag's avatar on loop for the next hour

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 11:08:44 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on October 08, 2016, 11:04:47 PM

brb watching agrajag's avatar on loop for the next hour

The guy at the end makes it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Dennis on October 08, 2016, 11:51:07 PM

(https://scontent.forf1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/14600982_10210670921880282_624127242972169334_n.jpg?oh=33719ed94cbb5e5c055eaf811cec2ff8&oe=58A66220)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 12:05:33 AM

Quote from: Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH)

I had hoped to support the candidate my party nominated in the primary process. I thought it was appropriate to respect the millions of voters across the country who chose Donald Trump as the Republican Party nominee. While I continue to respect those who still support Donald Trump, I can no longer support him. I continue to believe our country cannot afford a Hillary Clinton presidency. I will be voting for Mike Pence for President.

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 12:13:40 AM

Someone should tell him, a vote for Mike Pence is a vote for Hillary

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 09, 2016, 12:42:03 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 08, 2016, 11:08:44 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on October 08, 2016, 11:04:47 PM

brb watching agrajag's avatar on loop for the next hour

The guy at the end makes it

TFW they discussing pussy but you'd rather eat ass.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 12:51:12 AM

The black woman has such a sassy face, like she's thinking "yeah I got that bomb ass pussy, that blond bitch's pussy is wack"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: zomgee on October 09, 2016, 12:55:54 AM

Can you not repeat that word here my daughter reads this board

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 01:02:10 AM

Quote from: zomgee on October 09, 2016, 12:55:54 AM

Can you not repeat that word here my daughter reads this board

You're offended that your daughter sees me type it, but not when Donald Trump does it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 01:06:02 AM

Can't wait until 2020 when very serious people have to put on their serious faces and discuss whether recent events are [candidate]'s "grab her by the pussy" moment.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 01:12:02 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 01:06:02 AM

Can't wait until 2020 when very serious people have to put on their serious faces and discuss whether recent events are [candidate]'s "grab her by the pussy" moment.

I feel like this is the turning point of political discourse in our country, the consequences will never be the same.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 01:57:47 AM

http://jezebel.com/heres-what-everyones-saying-about-pussygate-1787566373

Pussygate :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 02:00:57 AM

https://twitter.com/FullFrontalSamB/status/784557197799796736

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuNQOItWcAAMzZ3.jpg)

SO GOOD

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Mandark on October 09, 2016, 03:28:12 AM

Now that McCain's flipped, I was going to say that none of the living GOP presidential nominees support Trump now but I remembered Bob Dole and looks like he's still on board.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 03:35:06 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 09, 2016, 01:57:47 AM

http://jezebel.com/heres-what-everyones-saying-about-pussygate-1787566373

Pussygate :dead

Faster, Pussygate! Kill ! Kill !

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:12:18 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 09, 2016, 01:57:47 AM

http://jezebel.com/heres-what-everyones-saying-about-pussygate-1787566373

Pussygate :dead

Pussyghazi!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Pussywater :mouf

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Boredfrom on October 09, 2016, 10:24:01 AM

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/785120729364922369

Quote

So many self-righteous hypocrites. Watch their poll numbers - and elections - go down!

He is really going to double down on this, isnt?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:25:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/vO88Asi.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/VoS1zXy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Take My Breh Away on October 09, 2016, 11:30:59 AM

So whats the next step of Trumps Master plan?

Quote

Trump talking pts urge total war on Rs: "They are more concerned with their political future than they are about the future of the country"

https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/785130115168624645

(http://i.imgur.com/A8mP7up.jpg)

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 11:40:18 AM

lmao the wheels are falling off this thing with a quickness. and on debate day no less. my god.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 11:48:45 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:25:53 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/vO88Asi.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/VoS1zXy.gif)

  :whoo

(https://media.giphy.com/media/41tb2Ov0hG3a8/200.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 12:08:37 PM

Second Presidential Debate Promises Ugliness After Trump Tapes
Parents with small children may want to consider putting them to bed before Sunday's presidential debate, which seems certain to devolve into a TV-MA grudge of reciprocal sexual assault allegations

MSNBC.com

I guess no one has illusions...

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Post by: Raist on October 09, 2016, 12:13:35 PM

The fact that all it took was a gross comment about pussy is so fittingly american, it's hilarious.

Can't wait for the next British move in this "Who's got the most ridiculous political environment - 2016 edition" race.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 12:15:44 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 12:08:37 PM

Second Presidential Debate Promises Ugliness After Trump Tapes
Parents with small children may want to consider putting them to bed before Sunday's presidential debate, which seems certain to devolve into a TV-MA grudge of reciprocal sexual assault allegations

MSNBC.com

I guess no one has illusions...

lol

also what kind of parent would subject a young kid to a presidential debate anyway. let them play videogames and shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 12:17:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4l4vJdE6fU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 09, 2016, 12:22:45 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/09/media/anderson-cooper-martha-raddatz-town-hall-debate-questions/index.html (http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/09/media/anderson-cooper-martha-raddatz-town-hall-debate-questions/index.html)

Quote

The first set of questions at Sunday night's presidential debate will be about Donald Trump's vulgar comments on a newly published 2005 videotape, and the fallout from it.
And Hillary Clinton will get the first question.

 :aah :aah :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 02:24:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwxeXHXwnGs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 02:29:10 PM

3 pussy bombs on SNL.  The word is being normalized.   :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: zomgee on October 09, 2016, 02:38:36 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 09, 2016, 02:30:24 PM

debate is 3 am for me here, definitely not staying up that late

I'm gonna go to bed and wake up to some real fuckery in morning :rejoice

Sounds like Christmas to me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 02:43:28 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 09, 2016, 02:29:10 PM

3 pussy bombs on SNL.  The word is being normalized.   :rejoice

In 2016, Mr. Trump was finally able to bring this ugly incident to its conclusion by successfully compelling broadcast television to not censor the word "pussy".

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 02:43:28 PM

Quote from: zomgee on October 09, 2016, 02:38:36 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 09, 2016, 02:30:24 PM

debate is 3 am for me here, definitely not staying up that late

I'm gonna go to bed and wake up to some real fuckery in morning :rejoice

Sounds like Christmas to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFlcqWQVVuU

replace N64 with Trump fuckery

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 03:13:23 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 11:40:18 AM

lmao the wheels are falling off this thing with a quickness. and on debate day no less. my god.  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/pO4esa9.png)

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 03:14:44 PM

Tires? what the fuck kind of trains is he riding on?

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 09, 2016, 03:53:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/e8T9b9G.jpg)

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2016, 04:33:36 PM

So Trump's already telegraphed what he's going to do in the debate. How is Hillary going to push back his Trump's whole "Your husband is no better!" talking point. Honestly, I think the most correct answer is "My husband isn't running for president, I am." But I don't see the American public is that smart to understand that. What do you think she's going to say on that front?

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 04:48:39 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 09, 2016, 04:28:35 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 09, 2016, 03:53:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/e8T9b9G.jpg)

I don't know what's worse, depicting Trump (who is obese) as fit and muscular, or having him demonstrate trigger discipline. :doge

Or pretending that this soft, spoiled rich man who grew up with a silver spoon is symbolic of masculinity or serving in the military.  :lol

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 05:37:14 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2016, 04:33:36 PM

So Trump's already telegraphed what he's going to do in the debate. How is Hillary going to push back his Trump's whole "Your husband is no better!" talking point. Honestly, I think the most correct answer is "My husband isn't running for president, I am." But I don't see the American public is that smart to understand that. What do you think she's going to say on that front?

Probably something like that.  She's sort of dropped that line before during the 2008 primary while debating Obama (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb3JHexXljk&t=3m17s).

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Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 06:36:52 PM

Not sure attacking a woman for having been outraged by her husband is really beneficial. They've been trying to use those Bill Clinton's hooks last few weeks and see how little that has achieved.

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Post by: Oblivion on October 09, 2016, 06:45:55 PM

You know what the best part about tonight's debate is? We will no longer have to go in worrying about the possibility of lowered expectations helping Trump. Since Friday, every major media outlet has been trashing Trump and his minions. No matter how well he performs tonight, you're not going to see any mainstream journalists and anchors talking about how Trump did "better than expected". The only way Trump comes out of this smelling like a rose is if Hillary fucks up royally somehow.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2016, 06:58:31 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 06:36:52 PM

Not sure attacking a woman for having been outraged by her husband is really beneficial. They've been trying to use those Bill Clinton's hooks last few weeks and see how little that has achieved.

Its the only hook they have left.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 07:22:15 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/PF7giLn.png)

Because MSM is #NotYourPersonalArmy, brehggot. You Chris Christie'd yourself before God & Country, now you have to live with it.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 07:28:25 PM

Ted Cruz has gotta be so mad at himself for not holding out for a few more weeks. :rofl

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 07:30:08 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 07:28:25 PM

Ted Cruz has gotta be so mad at himself for not holding out for a few more weeks. :rofl

(https://img.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/files/2016/10/CruzSad1.png)

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Post by: Nola on October 09, 2016, 07:41:33 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 07:28:25 PM

Ted Cruz has gotta be so mad at himself for not holding out for a few more weeks. :rofl

Couldn't of happened to a worse person.

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Post by: brawndolicious on October 09, 2016, 07:53:38 PM

I think Trump is going to go hog wild trying to "martyr" himself now by claiming he's trying to stop Clinton from getting reelected. In 4 years he'll be running again and and fellating himself for his strategy.

It's going to be an interesting evening.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 07:55:24 PM

Trump just released a joint presser of him with Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Juanita Broaddrick. :dead

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 07:59:09 PM

OMG :rofl

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

 :ohhh

...

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 08:14:58 PM

http://www.thewrap.com/rnc-cuts-off-trump-money-redirects-funds-down-ballot/

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 08:15:31 PM

The sad thing, is I don't think most Republican leaders will disown or condemn him dragging out the Bill victims(?), unless it severely hurts him in the polls. If this somehow gives him a rebound of any kind, they will jump back on his dick with the fierceness.

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Post by: Oblivion on October 09, 2016, 08:36:22 PM

omg omg omg

Supposedly the unreleased Apprentice videos have Trump using the n-word. :O

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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 08:38:31 PM

Quote from: Oblivion on October 09, 2016, 08:36:22 PM

omg omg omg

Supposedly the unreleased Apprentice videos have Trump using the n-word. :O

This will do less damage than Pussygate but it might be the thing that pushes the entire campaign over the edge.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 08:39:54 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/KyPVFzk.png)

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 08:43:06 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/7hkJ7Gt.png)

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 08:56:28 PM

I'm imagining Bill in the audience asking Chelsea's husband "wait, those are the women?"

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 08:57:23 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 09, 2016, 04:33:36 PM

So Trump's already telegraphed what he's going to do in the debate. How is Hillary going to push back his Trump's whole "Your husband is no better!" talking point. Honestly, I think the most correct answer is "My husband isn't running for president, I am." But I don't see the American public is that smart to understand that. What do you think she's going to say on that front?

You know your campaign isn't going well when "I may be a sexual predator, but your husband is no saint either!" is the only line of attack you've got left.

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:01:05 PM

I think Hillary's best move would be to take the moral high ground and not stoop to Trump's level.

As for addressing the Bill stuff, she basically needs to pull a Mike Pence and skirt all of the Bill issues. Her defending Bill just won't resonate well with the public I feel.

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:03:24 PM

I am so ready :rejoice :cody

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:04:32 PM

Let the fuckery begin

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:04:41 PM

PEAK AMURICA TIME  :salute

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:06:15 PM

No handshake, it's bout to get lit, fam.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:08:35 PM

Hillary passed on the chance to go all in on Trump. Probably the best move, considering.

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:08:55 PM

This first q sucksz

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:09:15 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:08:35 PM

Hillary passed on the chance to go all in on Trump. Probably the best move, considering.

Probably going the ignore route

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:09:48 PM

Yeah, I think she really doesn't need to go on the attack. Trump's doing a pretty good job of destroying himself as is.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:09:58 PM

First question =  :snore :boring

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:10:39 PM

Kids like to watch Law & Order, right?

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:10:45 PM

(https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2015/05/35-inconceivable-facts-about-the-princess-bride-35-photos-361.gif?w=600&h=295)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:10:52 PM

Did they give Trump a horse tranquilizer before the debate? Geez.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:11:42 PM

*SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:12:15 PM

something something ISIS something something chopping people's heads off

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:12:25 PM

Okay, sniffing during the first debate is alright. Two weeks later? The fuck?

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:12:38 PM

That sniff is a nervous tic lul.

Also ISIS

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:13:10 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:10:39 PM

Kids like to watch Law & Order, right?

targeting the key TNT/USA 24/7 watcher bloc

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:13:28 PM

Bitch slap

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:13:44 PM

oh shit

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:14:42 PM

This is vulgar

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:15:33 PM

He looks like a boy being talked down to by a school teacher

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:15:37 PM

Shes killing him

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:15:49 PM

I don't think I can watch this.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:16:25 PM

This emasculation of a grown man is so problematic.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:16:45 PM

I'm going to help THE ...

smh

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:16:59 PM

OMG

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:17:02 PM

why is there an empty chair on that one side, what are they hiding

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:17:32 PM

The only way this will not be hurtful is if we all agree to take a shot whenever he says ISIS

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:18:34 PM

Or BILL CLINTON

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:18:35 PM

He brought up Bill Clinton. Oh man this is going to get good.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:18:37 PM

Misforgeting that your founding fathers owned slaves and had slave babies

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:18:56 PM

No one in the history of politics!

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:19:13 PM

Bro the sniffling is out of control tonight

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:19:26 PM

She is here with us tonight ... you remember when you pulled that on me!  and its totally failed

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Post by: archie4208 on October 09, 2016, 09:19:37 PM

b-but ISIS
b-but Bill

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:19:41 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:19:13 PM

Bro the sniffling is out of control tonight

I'm telling ya, nervous tic

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:20:56 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:19:41 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:19:13 PM

Bro the sniffling is out of control tonight

I'm telling ya, nervous tic

Yeah i get rid of pre-debate jitters with copious amounts of coke too

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:21:07 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:19:41 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:19:13 PM

Bro the sniffling is out of control tonight

I'm telling ya, nervous tic

(http://i.imgur.com/XPiuvrE.gif)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:21:39 PM

A 2 hour debate on Trump's character Jesus

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:21:50 PM

dunno why we should care bout Trump attacking Khan, like we're supposed to just give the guy Genesis or somethin

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:22:59 PM

WIKILEAKS

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:23:07 PM

WIKILEAKS

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:23:27 PM

hahahahahaha

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:23:30 PM

APOLOGIZE TO THE EMAILS!

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:23:38 PM

Apologize to those emails, Hillary!!

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:23:57 PM

This is amazing.   :lol

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:24:06 PM

Back to the e-mails?  You can't even kamikaze correctly Trump

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:24:12 PM

How can you support a presidential candidate that threatens someone like that? Holy fuck.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:24:33 PM

ACID WASH THOSE EMAILS BABY

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:25:03 PM

FAT CHECK

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:25:07 PM

fat check him whose body shaming now

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:25:11 PM

FAT CHECKED!

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:25:23 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:20:56 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:19:41 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:19:13 PM

Bro the sniffling is out of control tonight

I'm telling ya, nervous tic

Yeah i get rid of pre-debate jitters with copious amounts of coke too

It's how I handle my posting jitters

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:25:57 PM

wait, the audience are the ones wasting time?

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 09, 2016, 09:26:07 PM

oic this 2nd debate is like the 2nd stage of the boss fight after he overdoses on Mako energy or whatever

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:26:24 PM

Can we not just throw both of them out, keep Obama for another year or two, and start over?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:27:35 PM

Trump's now just wandering aimlessly around the stage.

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:27:35 PM

Quote from: bork pls on October 09, 2016, 09:26:24 PM

Can we not just throw both of them out, keep Obama for another year or two, and start over?

Why do you hate women in power  ???

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:28:10 PM

and now the republican slam

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 09:28:20 PM

this degenerated real quick

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:28:46 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on October 09, 2016, 09:27:42 PM

This the WWE main event I was looking forward to.

This is 1000 times better than any WWE PPV.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:28:48 PM

39 MINUTES, 33,000 EMAILS: THE HILLARY CLINTON STORY

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:28:52 PM

Quote from: bork pls on October 09, 2016, 09:26:24 PM

Can we not just throw both of them out, keep Obama for another year or two, and start over?

:obama

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:29:01 PM

No one freakin cares about emails.

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:29:04 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 09:28:20 PM

this degenerated real quick

You expected?

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:29:18 PM

TRUMP: UGFHDJFBNSKFKLSKLFLSLDLS

HILLARY: IT'S JUST NOT TRUE

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:29:26 PM

JESUS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:29:42 PM

Attack everyone

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:29:47 PM

I wish John McAfee was involved in this

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:29:53 PM

Why aren't you bring up the emails Anderson?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:30:13 PM

Now Trump is attacking Anderson Cooper! :neogaf

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:30:15 PM

haha

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:30:27 PM

DONALD VS THE WORLD: THE DONALD TRUMP STORY

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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 09:30:58 PM

HILLARY BLASTING TRUMP OVER REPUBLICANS LEAVING HIM HAS ME LIKE

(https://media.giphy.com/media/l673cYwNZE1iM/giphy.gif)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:31:18 PM

TRUMP DYING ON STAGE WHILE DOZENS LOOK ON HELPLESSLY

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 09:31:35 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:29:04 PM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 09:28:20 PM

this degenerated real quick

You expected?

I mean, it took until half an hour the last time, right?

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:32:01 PM

Oh Trump, you provided me with many laughs. Goodnight sweet prince.

R.I.P.

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:32:40 PM

Are we gonna have a run-in from Gary Johnson with a chair that costs Hillary the debate tonight?

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:33:08 PM

Quote from: bork pls on October 09, 2016, 09:32:40 PM

Are we gonna have a run-in from Gary Johnson with a chair that costs Hillary the debate tonight?

Gary Johnson is a babyface

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:33:19 PM

NO ONE HAS EVER SEEN NUMBERS THIS HIGH

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:33:33 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:33:08 PM

Quote from: bork pls on October 09, 2016, 09:32:40 PM

Are we gonna have a run-in from Gary Johnson with a chair that costs Hillary the debate tonight?

Gary Johnson is a babyface

SWERVE

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:33:36 PM

we got to replace it with something that works!

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:33:46 PM

WE WILL REPLACE IT WITH SOMETHING

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:33:58 PM

Quote from: bork pls on October 09, 2016, 09:32:40 PM

Are we gonna have a run-in from Gary Johnson with a chair that costs Hillary the debate tonight?

Non-aggression principle buddy :ufup

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:34:30 PM

Canada has bad healthcare apparently.

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Post by: MMaRsu on October 09, 2016, 09:34:37 PM

Haha my god guys, trump is soooo fucking stupid its hilarious

im dying here

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:34:42 PM

The old "Canada's health care is bad" shtick.

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:34:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:33:58 PM

Quote from: bork pls on October 09, 2016, 09:32:40 PM

Are we gonna have a run-in from Gary Johnson with a chair that costs Hillary the debate tonight?

Non-aggression principle buddy :ufup

 :ryker

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:34:57 PM

NO ONE CAN BELIEVE THESE NUMBERS IN THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:35:01 PM

NUMBERS THAT NO ONE HAS EVER BELIEVED

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:36:00 PM

mac, i need you to review that guy in glasses green jacket, the one in front of the big fat guy on hillary's side

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

Canadian here.  I get hit by a car I go to the hospital.  My mom has a heart attack she goes to the hospital.  Its awesome. 

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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 09:37:03 PM

Take a shot whenever Trump brings up Bernie.

Or ISIS.

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:37:12 PM

It'll be so good. The plans will be so great.

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:37:20 PM

I love Cooper so much.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:37:23 PM

YOU WILL HAVE PLANS THAT ARE SO GOOD

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:37:33 PM

I love Hillary's "LOL, I so got this election" smile every time Trump starts talking.

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:38:47 PM

This old white woman isn't too pleased to be sitting near a muslim.

edit: SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFF

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:38:52 PM

Ok, let me tell you about mooslims *SNIFF*

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Post by: MMaRsu on October 09, 2016, 09:39:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:36:00 PM

mac, i need you to review that guy in glasses green jacket, the one in front of the big fat guy on hillary's side

(http://img.4plebs.org/boards/tv/image/1370/99/1370990160942.png)

He's cool bro

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:39:54 PM

"What about Islamaphobia?"

"Well, Muslims clearly aren't doing enough, first of all."

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:40:07 PM

SNIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:40:09 PM

the sniffles are going to kill him in this election, calling it now

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:40:17 PM

TERRA

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:40:26 PM

did nobody want to sit in front of that old black guy or somethin

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Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 09:40:33 PM

"Why won't normal muslims report all terrorist projects ? Don't they know each other ?"

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:41:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:40:26 PM

did nobody want to sit in front of that old black guy or somethin

I've been there. Sitting at some event like "fuck wrong with me? Did I forget to wear deodarant today?"

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:41:34 PM

Can Trump not sit still for two seconds?

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:42:30 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 09:41:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:40:26 PM

did nobody want to sit in front of that old black guy or somethin

I've been there. Sitting at some event like "fuck wrong with me? Did I forget to wear deodarant today?"

even the woman next to him is sitting farther away than everyone else is from their respective neighbors

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:42:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:41:34 PM

Can Trump not sit still for two seconds?

You try sitting still after all that cocaine. 

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:42:53 PM

if I was president he'd be alive today  lol

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:43:01 PM

Ask Sean Hannity.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:43:09 PM

Extreme vetting

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:43:39 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:43:09 PM

Extreme vetting

X-TREME VETTING

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:43:55 PM

he pointed at Hillary when he said "Barack Obama" instead of when he said her name...what does he know?

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Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 09:43:56 PM

EXTREEEEEEME

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:44:05 PM

I believe in safe zones and other people paying for them lol

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:44:14 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:36:00 PM

mac, i need you to review that guy in glasses green jacket, the one in front of the big fat guy on hillary's side

lol I stopped watching... douche chills x1000000000

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:44:17 PM

THE GREAT TROJAN HORSE OF ALL TIME

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:44:41 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXoPaUUMAALgpy.jpg)

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:45:18 PM

Camera man's like "god damnit Donald"

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:45:46 PM

https://twitter.com/MichaelSteele/status/785290342807379968/photo/1

:rofl

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:46:22 PM

Point point

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:46:26 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 09, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

Canadian here.  I get hit by a car I go to the hospital.  My mom has a heart attack she goes to the hospital.  Its awesome. 

Wrong.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 09:46:52 PM

Has it been like this since the beginning ? Trump is deflecting every question.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:47:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:46:26 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 09, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

Canadian here.  I get hit by a car I go to the hospital.  My mom has a heart attack she goes to the hospital.  Its awesome. 

Wrong.

OK Foxnews

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:47:50 PM

THEY ARE MURDERERS, DRUG LORDS, AND DRUG...PROBLEMS.

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:47:56 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 09, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

Canadian here.  I get hit by a car I go to the hospital.  My mom has a heart attack she goes to the hospital.  Its awesome.

Yeah but you're still in Canada. Sad!

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:47:57 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 09:46:52 PM

Has it been like this since the beginning ? Trump is deflecting every question.

yes

sniff, bernie, emails

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:48:06 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 09:46:52 PM

Has it been like this since the beginning ? Trump is deflecting every question.

Yes, it's been like this since June 16, 2015.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:49:03 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:47:56 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 09, 2016, 09:36:25 PM

Canadian here.  I get hit by a car I go to the hospital.  My mom has a heart attack she goes to the hospital.  Its awesome.

Yeah but you're still in Canada. Sad!

Toronto is just like NewYork without the things!

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Post by: toku on October 09, 2016, 09:49:24 PM

Russian aggression~

 :fabulous

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:49:29 PM

Quote from: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 09:45:18 PM

Camera man's like "god damnit Donald"

iirc about the rules for a past debate, in the split screen shots they're not allowed to have both candidates in one, so him wandering all over is fucking it up

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:49:43 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXtMQ_WEAA2F4K.jpg)

#(Barely)StandWithHer

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:50:49 PM

Oh Benjamin you mean the guy in the green jacket and blue shirt back there?


If so :trash

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:50:52 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXs6o9WYAERy6m.jpg:large)

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:51:01 PM

That was a hitting answer

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:51:58 PM

THE LATE GREAT ABRAHAM LINCOLN

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:52:02 PM

"AND SHE SAID THINGS -WIKILEAKS- THAT JUST CAME OUT"

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:52:07 PM

Isn't Honest Abe mean to be an ironic title

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:52:21 PM

I know nothing about Russia...I mean.. 

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:52:22 PM

The guy in the bottom left corner with the sweater vest looks cool.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:52:44 PM

Putin? I don't know that name.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:52:58 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:49:43 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXtMQ_WEAA2F4K.jpg)

#(Barely)StandWithHer

what's the poor black guy everyone hates looking at :(

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:53:11 PM

Trump, seriously?

http://time.com/4433880/donald-trump-ties-to-russia/

 :doge

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Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 09:53:21 PM

Plugging in his real estate business.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:53:47 PM

"Uncommitted Missouri voter"

 :kobeyuck

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 09:54:38 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 09:53:47 PM

"Uncommitted Missouri voter"

 :kobeyuck

Steve Youngblood? 🤔

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Post by: MMaRsu on October 09, 2016, 09:54:40 PM

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/6d/6da082fbfafcf593d64799e9da4e11b4df2899b7459116a78e650d8b377a421f.jpg)

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:54:59 PM

"Yeah I take advantage of the tax code, but it's your fault for not changing it."  :lol :lol :lol

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:55:13 PM

REALLY high

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 09:55:24 PM

*SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF*

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:55:33 PM

"How are you going to make sure the rich pay their fair share?"

"I'm getting rid of carried interest, first of all. But actually I'm lowering taxes!"

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:55:48 PM

lol highest in the world :lol :lol :lol

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:56:34 PM

TRUMP: SNIIIIIFFFFFFFFF

HILLARY: NOT TRUE

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:56:37 PM

i think trump is totally dominating this other than the sniffing, he's doing his perfect trump persona where he just steamrolls everything in sight and pretends it's the reality he wants

god dammit hillary just joked about trump's reality right as i typed that

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:57:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:56:37 PM

i think trump is totally dominating this other than the sniffing, he's doing his perfect trump persona where he just steamrolls everything in sight and pretends it's the reality he wants

god dammit hillary just joked about trump's reality right as i typed that

Trump's winning with the only person that really matters: Donald Trump.

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 09:58:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:57:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:56:37 PM

i think trump is totally dominating this other than the sniffing, he's doing his perfect trump persona where he just steamrolls everything in sight and pretends it's the reality he wants

god dammit hillary just joked about trump's reality right as i typed that

Trump's winning with the only person that really matters: Donald Trump.

Can Trump save Trump? Yes, says Trump.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 09:59:13 PM

who is his argument for? 

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Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 09:59:14 PM

Wait...wasn't Trump a Clinton donor?  :lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 09:59:50 PM

TREMENDOUS NUMBERS OF TAXES

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:00:40 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 09, 2016, 09:59:13 PM

who is his argument for?

nobody, that's why he's on fire tonight

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Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 10:00:46 PM

O. BAHM. UH.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:00:56 PM

ISIS!

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Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:01:05 PM

Why didn't she do nothing when she was senator king of America ?

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 09, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 09:56:37 PM

i think trump is totally dominating this other than the sniffing, he's doing his perfect trump persona where he just steamrolls everything in sight and pretends it's the reality he wants

god dammit hillary just joked about trump's reality right as i typed that

right, getting consumed by an Alternate Reality also works for a good dramatic boss transformation gimmick if you're tired of Mako energy

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:01:21 PM

if you were a GOD like me you could have done it.  People would not be dead now if I were president. 

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:01:23 PM

God he's such a goober. :lol

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:01:40 PM

WHY DIDN'T YOU UNILATERALLY GET RID OF STUFF YOU DIDN'T LIKE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 09, 2016, 09:37:03 PM

Take a shot whenever Trump brings up Bernie.

Or ISIS.

Im rlaly regreding thsi dissions to tak a shot orfor Benrie Saunders a;lkae0ianioddflk.VASD

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:02:57 PM

YOU WERE SENATOR FOR 30 YEARS, WHY DIDN'T YOU REWRITE THE TAX CODE TO DEFEAT ISIS??

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:03:07 PM

i've seen that face before on the apprentice, dude is not listening at all, getting fired up, and preparing to unleash something that makes absolutely zero sense but he says super forcefully

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:03:12 PM

You were a senator, why didn't you do it, you were a senator.

This dumbfuck either doesn't understand how the government works or is hoping that the general public doesn't.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:03:16 PM

He looks so bad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:04:32 PM

I know it's not the biggest thing, but Trump's body language is really abysmal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 10:05:14 PM

...and what is Aleppo?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 10:05:48 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:02:46 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 09, 2016, 09:37:03 PM

Take a shot whenever Trump brings up Bernie.

Or ISIS.

Im rlaly regreding thsi dissions to tak a shot orfor Benrie Saunders a;lkae0ianioddflk.VASD

i dunno whatiy mean i tihnk itsgoing prettygoo d

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:06:09 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:03:12 PM

This dumbfuck either doesn't understand how the government works or is hoping that the general public doesn't.

Don't worry, they don't

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:06:31 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:04:32 PM

I know it's not the biggest thing, but Trump's body language is really abysmal.

That Trump taco bowl he had for lunch really isn't agreeing with him

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:06:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:04:32 PM

I know it's not the biggest thing, but Trump's body language is really abysmal.

What about him isn't abysmal?  ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:06:38 PM

i still feel like saying "who they want to be president...and it's not me" isn't a good line to use over and over, no matter who you're talking about

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:07:56 PM

WILD REBELS! CRUNCHY FRUITY REBELS!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:08:09 PM

- You were there for the red line.
- No, I was gone.
- Well you were connected to the White House

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:08:29 PM

Coco rebels :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:08:32 PM

She wasn't there, but she definitely told Obama to do it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: MMaRsu on October 09, 2016, 10:08:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:08:32 PM

She wasn't there, but she definitely told Obama to do it.

(http://i.imgur.com/95ijVde.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:09:23 PM

"Mr. Trump, let me repeat the question." :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:09:33 PM

he and i havent spoken and I disagree .... JESUS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:09:35 PM

The dumbest deal I have ever seen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:09:44 PM

Pence thrown in the bushes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 10:09:53 PM

He hasn't talked to his running mate? He doesn't agree? WAT!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 10:10:04 PM

'you disagree with your running mate?' jfc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:10:10 PM

...and who is Mike Pence?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:10:14 PM

(http://images.dailykos.com/images/306720/large/TrumpHead01.png)(http://images.dailykos.com/images/306720/large/TrumpHead01.png)(http://images.dailykos.com/images/306720/large/TrumpHead01.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:10:37 PM

Tossing his VP under the bus lmao

Wait is he talking about military strategy lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:10:56 PM

Alep ? It basically has fallen, OK !?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:10:59 PM

why can't we secertly take an entire city!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:11:10 PM

SNEAK ATTACK

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 10:11:11 PM

I love these moderators btw.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:11:43 PM

Secret mission to attack Mosul, don't tell ISIS!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:11:47 PM

Just do a CQC bro

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:12:07 PM

at the stupidity of the GOP nominee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 10:12:15 PM

Why do we even need to defeat ISIS? Sounds like Assad, Iran and Russia have it taken care of already!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:12:56 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 09, 2016, 10:12:15 PM

Why do we even need to defeat ISIS? Sounds like Assad, Iran and Russia have it taken care of already!

Only because of the stupidity of the Obama Administration which Hillary was part of!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:13:02 PM

Why announce your strategy ahead of time, like I do before all the debates?


"Mr Trump, there are many reasons like psychological warfare.."

"No! I can't think of anything!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 10:13:11 PM

What if we took Aleppo, and pushed it past the red line in Syria?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:13:19 PM

EVERYTHING.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:13:57 PM

Send them a birthday party invite on Facebook, wait for them to all get in the same room, and kaboom 👍🏻

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:14:12 PM

o shit she said the secret word KURDS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:14:45 PM

HIS NAME IS JIMMY CARTER?!?!?! OMG

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:14:45 PM

SHE WENT OVER A MINUTE OVER AND YOU DON'T STOP HER!!!
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(http://www.cps-news.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/trump-fool-200.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:14:52 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:14:12 PM

o shit she said the secret word KURDS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ANxrbjjHhI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 10:15:45 PM

Did he bring up inner cities because the guy was black?? :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:15:45 PM

I hope these questions were actually submitted by kids and are being read by adults on their behalf. 🚽

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 09, 2016, 10:15:48 PM

after that question, I don't feel bad at having passed over the audience this debate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: toku on October 09, 2016, 10:16:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/xEVd0nq.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:16:10 PM

The whole Syria schtick from Hillary is pretty weak but God, Trump is horrible.

You never interrupt her, very interesting.
We'll give economics to people
Dumbest (trade) deal of the history of the world

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:16:13 PM

THEY ACTUALLY SAID THAT SHE LIED.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 10:16:17 PM

LA TIN OOO

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:16:30 PM

Seems like half her replies are to send a message to Russia and Turkey. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:16:55 PM

i like how he always says "the latinos, the hispanics", because i don't think he knows which one is the right one to use

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:17:42 PM

THAT MAN HAS NO NECK!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:19:07 PM

Quote from: bork pls on October 09, 2016, 10:17:42 PM

THAT MAN HAS NO NECK!

He's like a sad angry penguin. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:19:38 PM

from the faces on these "undecided voters" i think a lot of them are considering googling the third party candidates after this

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:20:15 PM

This needs to end with Eric Andre running in and destroying the set.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:20:40 PM

Blaming Trump for bullying in school, ice cold :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:20:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:16:55 PM

i like how he always says "the latinos, the hispanics", because i don't think he knows which one is the right one to use

Your mom uses "Latino"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:21:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:19:38 PM

from the faces on these "undecided voters" i think a lot of them are considering googling the third party candidates after this

will probably need their kids to show them how.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:21:52 PM

Tremendous hate in her heart

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:21:55 PM

Let the hate out of your heart, Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:22:03 PM

"tremendous hatred in my heart" - benji 2020 vp campaign slogan

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:22:37 PM

[something] but i won't even mention that

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 10:22:38 PM

BENGHAZI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:22:48 PM

HILLARY SENT OUT A TWEET AT 3AM ONCE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 10:22:48 PM

Something, but I won't mention something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:23:07 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/funder/status/785131078268948480'
If true,..

Edit: this was from earlier probably just jibber jabber

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:23:12 PM

No.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 10:23:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:21:55 PM

Let the hate out of your heart, Hillary.

(https://i.imgflip.com/z2jhe.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:23:38 PM

If only the Benghazi consulate had tweeted Trump at 3am...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 10:24:06 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:23:07 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/funder/status/785131078268948480'
If true,..

(https://media.giphy.com/media/Ic97mPViHEG5O/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 10:24:29 PM

Hillary just praised W? What the fuck is this election. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:24:55 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:23:12 PM

No.

My friend turned me wrong... it's old.

But after this terrible burn today it might happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:25:06 PM

fuck the audience and their dumbass questions

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:25:21 PM

Hey an actual good question!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 10:25:29 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:23:07 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/funder/status/785131078268948480'
If true,..

Ohhhh SHIT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:26:03 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:25:06 PM

fuck the audience and their dumbass questions

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:25:21 PM

Hey an actual good question!

Lol neogaf.gif

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:26:40 PM

i admit i posted that in front of the wrong question

but hillary never did anything while in the senate to stop me

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:26:46 PM

I wonder what strategy the Republicans are going try and use to hold the Supreme Court in limbo for 4 more years

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:27:05 PM

She should just say "yes, i would be four more years of Obama. Do you want four more years of Obama or do you want Donald Trump? "

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:28:51 PM

i wonder what the big fat guys question was

also, that idiot with the tiny little ponytail, i hope it would be like: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8rp-tlgqa4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8rp-tlgqa4)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:29:20 PM

turning into slapstick comedy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:29:29 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/SCClemons/status/785302342673367040

More fuel for the gods tho....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2016, 10:29:41 PM

Wait, HILLARY WAS IN OFFICE?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:30:12 PM

Bring it home, Ken.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:30:30 PM

REJIGGER THE PLAN!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:30:48 PM

dude spent the whole debate memorizing his question so he didn't have to read it

the real mvp of the debate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:30:51 PM

Energy is under absolute siege by the Obama administration.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:30:53 PM

This is 😴

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:30:53 PM

Fuck your coal job

 :idont

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 10:30:58 PM

wind, solar, all that bullshit, yeah sure whatever

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:31:12 PM

CLEAN COAL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:31:22 PM

clean coal, the one GOP talking point he remembers

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:31:47 PM

China is dumping steel all over the United States!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:32:33 PM

what's with all these minors working in the energy industry, shouldn't we be talking about child labor laws?!?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:33:33 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:32:33 PM

what's with all these minors working in the energy industry, shouldn't we be talking about child labor laws?!?

Where are these minors anyway?

Asking for a friend 👀

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:33:47 PM

Ken looks really nervous with Hillary that close to him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:34:32 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:33:47 PM

Ken looks really nervous with Hillary that close to him.

He's trying not to grab her pussy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:34:46 PM

This fucking guy  :lol :lol :lol

It is like the principal just pulled them in the office and told them to make up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:34:49 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:33:47 PM

Ken looks really nervous with Hillary that close to him.

He put on his finest sweater for this event.  But was it enough?
:expert

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:34:53 PM

trumps grimace

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:35:00 PM

oh god this question

always

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:35:10 PM

NOW KISS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:35:13 PM

She runs out of time because she takes too many fucking pauses in all her answers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:35:17 PM

come on seroiusly

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:35:28 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:32:33 PM

what's with all these minors working in the energy industry, shouldn't we be talking about child labor laws?!?

Okay, liberal nanny-state government baby.

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Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:35:36 PM

I respect his children. Lmao

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 10:36:02 PM

worst question of the night

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:36:07 PM

I am really interested to see Trump's answer to this question, to be honest.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:36:08 PM

Trump respects her grabbable pussy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:36:31 PM

"I like Huma. A 7, easily."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:36:35 PM

Everyone: "Who are the idiots that are undecided at this point?"

*watches debate*

Everyone: "Oh."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:36:45 PM

Quote from: Freyj on October 09, 2016, 10:36:02 PM

worst question of the night

 :trash

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:36:46 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 09, 2016, 10:36:08 PM

Trump respects her grabbable pussy

Snuke :drool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:36:53 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:36:07 PM

I am really interested to see Trump's answer to this question, to be honest.

"Children" too for sure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:37:24 PM

The one question trump finishes early on

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:37:28 PM

she should have forced him to go first, dangerous to give him time to come up with something

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:37:37 PM

Ah, Trump playing nice for once. Too bad.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:37:39 PM

I don't know if my soul can take another one of these things

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:38:41 PM

"i respect hillary for murdering anyone who has anything on her, i should have done that"

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Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:38:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 10:37:37 PM

Ah, Trump playing nice for once. Too bad.

Sad.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:38:55 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:37:39 PM

I don't know if my soul can take another one of these things

Lol this guy holding onto his soul

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:40:06 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 09, 2016, 10:37:39 PM

I don't know if my soul can take another one of these things

this was the one to watch, the weekend trump had plus the format, no way could you get to me watch the others

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Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 10:40:11 PM

Hillary lacked STAMINA. She is always SICK and she's OLD. She's a fighter.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:40:23 PM

lol chelsea and ivanka

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:40:57 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/V5rJgIZ.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: helios on October 09, 2016, 10:41:24 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:40:57 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/V5rJgIZ.png)

Oh man, please happen. Please happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:41:52 PM

OMG OMG OMG

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: VomKriege on October 09, 2016, 10:42:12 PM

Can he even leave the ticket ? Hasn't early voting started already ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 10:42:46 PM

PBS 'the people leaving him will stop leaving.   the bleeding will stop'  ... OK

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:43:14 PM

Lol who knows, this whole thing is a flaming bag of shit on wheels.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 10:43:40 PM

LOL media talking heads saying he did well in the debate  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:44:28 PM

she left with Huma, leaving Bill behind talking to some women :teehee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:45:20 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:44:28 PM

she left with Huma, leaving Bill behind talking to some women :teehee

If you love your work, you never stop working.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:47:30 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-clinton-dont-shake-hands-debate/story?id=42688757

 :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:48:31 PM

Pence just tweeted out "Congrats to my running mate @realDonaldTrump on a big debate win! Proud to stand with you as we #MAGA"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:52:32 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:40:57 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/V5rJgIZ.png)

Quote

Sr. Advisor; Democratic Coalition Against Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 09, 2016, 10:53:40 PM

Trump won the debate.  This election is over :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:59:04 PM

lol at this 25 year old former democratic congressional candidate (http://www.erinfor.us/why_is_a_24_year_old_woman_running_for_congress) on abc

"him standing behind her probably reminded a lot of women of their or their friends sexual assaults and rapes, especially after his comments"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 11:01:27 PM

I was having flash backs of that time at the zoo when that ugly penguin grabbed my pussy during the whole debate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 11:02:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:59:04 PM

lol at this 25 year old former democratic congressional candidate (http://www.erinfor.us/why_is_a_24_year_old_woman_running_for_congress) on abc

"him standing behind her probably reminded a lot of women of their or their friends sexual assaults and rapes, especially after his comments"

are you denying the power of subliminal microagressions?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 09, 2016, 11:04:18 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 09, 2016, 10:53:40 PM

Trump won the debate.

 :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 11:11:50 PM

The behavior of pundits is puzzling.

Trump did everything opposite of what they said won Pence the debate, but somehow they think he did well. They said Pence won the debate based on composure. He was sniffling non-stop, pacing, getting visibly angry, interrupting non-stop. He wasn't composed at all.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: bluemax on October 09, 2016, 11:12:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:36:35 PM

Everyone: "Who are the idiots that are undecided at this point?"

*watches debate*

Everyone: "Oh."

I don't want to vote for any of these clowns.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:15:19 PM

Quote from: bluemax on October 09, 2016, 11:12:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:36:35 PM

Everyone: "Who are the idiots that are undecided at this point?"

*watches debate*

Everyone: "Oh."

I don't want to vote for any of these clowns.

I don't think any of them are running, it'd be weird to let another Presidential candidate than the two allowed ask questions at the debate.

Quote from: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 11:11:50 PM

The behavior of pundits of puzzling.

Trump did everything opposite of what they said won Pence the debate, but somehow they think he did well. They said Pence won the debate based on composure. He was sniffling non-stop, pacing, getting visibly angry, interrupting non-stop. He wasn't composed at all.

No, no, see you're forgetting the cognitive dissonance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 11:16:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:15:19 PM

Quote from: bluemax on October 09, 2016, 11:12:44 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:36:35 PM

Everyone: "Who are the idiots that are undecided at this point?"

*watches debate*

Everyone: "Oh."

I don't want to vote for any of these clowns.

I don't think any of them are running, it'd be weird to let another Presidential candidate than the two allowed ask questions at the debate.

Kenneth Bone for President

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:16:59 PM

 :drudge

http://heatst.com/politics/fly-in-the-ointment/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:19:06 PM

Quote

Jesse Lehrich
@JesseLehrich
Foreign Policy Spokesperson for @HillaryClinton

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/785294631382712321

Quote

Jesse Lehrich
‏@JesseLehrich
hey, @realDonaldTrump – regarding your claim that Captain Khan would be alive if you were president:

go fuck yourself.
#debate
6:43 PM - 9 Oct 2016

https://twitter.com/JesseLehrich/status/785301922068692998

Quote

Jesse Lehrich
‏@JesseLehrich
I want to apologize for the clearly inappropriate nature and language of this personal tweet. Sorry all.
7:12 PM - 9 Oct 2016

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 09, 2016, 11:21:50 PM

https://www.bleachbit.org/cloth-or-something

In case some people here want to wipe their sweaty brows after tonight's debate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: tiesto on October 09, 2016, 11:23:38 PM

Just got home from my mom's house where I watched the debate. Trump was on some Wolf of Wall Street levels of booger sugar there. Sniffing nonstop and rambling on to the point of nonsense.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 09, 2016, 11:24:07 PM

Nice to see you again MTW :doges

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 11:24:17 PM

Quote

I wanted Obama to come out, out of nowhere, unannounced, like on some WWE type shit.

quote from reddit :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:24:55 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 09, 2016, 11:21:50 PM

https://www.bleachbit.org/cloth-or-something

In case some people here want to wipe their sweaty brows after tonight's debate

"One (1) cloth $5.00"

boo i was hoping for a chance at the "or something"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 11:31:21 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/flashback-donald-trump-called-bill-clintons-accusers-terrible/story?id=42686582

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Oblivion on October 09, 2016, 11:36:14 PM

https://twitter.com/BryFun1/status/785310574917804032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:38:50 PM

but he's not even looking at her but someone he pointed at

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 09, 2016, 11:41:19 PM

I'm really surprised people aren't talking about his military comments like taking the oil from last debate and secretly taking a city in this one.  The guy has less understanding on military affairs than civics. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:44:33 PM

Quote

@BuzzFeedBen
In the spin room, Nigel Farrage just compared Trump to a "silverback gorilla." "He dominated her."

:american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 09, 2016, 11:48:04 PM

Mike Pence is gonna kill his chances at 2020 presidential aspirations by doubling down on his Trump support  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Oblivion on October 09, 2016, 11:56:14 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 11:38:50 PM

but he's not even looking at her but someone he pointed at

Dammit benji. Why y'all gotta ruin the fun!  :maf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2016, 12:00:12 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4H_PdlY8fY

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:01:15 AM

Honestly, I was expecting an implosion from Mr. Sniffles (btw, there's no way the general populace isn't noticing that).  But he didn't implode. And was able to not make the whole debate about pussy. I felt he was behind Hillary the whole time but the last question I think Hillary's answer about his kids was stiff and laughable while Trump saw that stiffness and exploited it to leave the debate on his positive note.  Overall, I think the best you could say about Trump is he didn't implode, which I guess for him is winning. Hillary performed as she always does, consistent.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 12:12:57 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:01:15 AM

Honestly, I was expecting an implosion from Mr. Sniffles (btw, there's no way the general populace isn't noticing that).  But he didn't implode. And was able to not make the whole debate about pussy. I felt he was behind Hillary the whole time but the last question I think Hillary's answer about his kids was stiff and laughable while Trump saw that stiffness and exploited it to leave the debate on his positive note.  Overall, I think the best you could say about Trump is he didn't implode, which I guess for him is winning. Hillary performed as she always does, consistent.

I thought he did implode. But I do agree that he came off more gracious in the last question.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:13:57 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 12:12:57 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:01:15 AM

Honestly, I was expecting an implosion from Mr. Sniffles (btw, there's no way the general populace isn't noticing that).  But he didn't implode. And was able to not make the whole debate about pussy. I felt he was behind Hillary the whole time but the last question I think Hillary's answer about his kids was stiff and laughable while Trump saw that stiffness and exploited it to leave the debate on his positive note.  Overall, I think the best you could say about Trump is he didn't implode, which I guess for him is winning. Hillary performed as she always does, consistent.

I thought he did implode. But I do agree that he came off more gracious in the last question.

Says who?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 10, 2016, 12:16:04 AM

I ...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 10, 2016, 12:16:14 AM

https://twitter.com/scotty_ski/status/785310518026305538/photo/1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 12:19:41 AM

So Hillary had CGI audience members planted?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 12:24:51 AM

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedBen/status/785330567449448448

the end  :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 12:24:52 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:13:57 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 12:12:57 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:01:15 AM

Honestly, I was expecting an implosion from Mr. Sniffles (btw, there's no way the general populace isn't noticing that).  But he didn't implode. And was able to not make the whole debate about pussy. I felt he was behind Hillary the whole time but the last question I think Hillary's answer about his kids was stiff and laughable while Trump saw that stiffness and exploited it to leave the debate on his positive note.  Overall, I think the best you could say about Trump is he didn't implode, which I guess for him is winning. Hillary performed as she always does, consistent.

I thought he did implode. But I do agree that he came off more gracious in the last question.

Says who?

agrajag is a mess that doesn't know a real winner when he sees one. Sad!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:25:24 AM

Says who?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2016, 12:43:59 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 12:12:57 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:01:15 AM

Honestly, I was expecting an implosion from Mr. Sniffles (btw, there's no way the general populace isn't noticing that).  But he didn't implode. And was able to not make the whole debate about pussy. I felt he was behind Hillary the whole time but the last question I think Hillary's answer about his kids was stiff and laughable while Trump saw that stiffness and exploited it to leave the debate on his positive note.  Overall, I think the best you could say about Trump is he didn't implode, which I guess for him is winning. Hillary performed as she always does, consistent.

I thought he did implode. But I do agree that he came off more gracious in the last question.

Wrong.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 12:52:24 AM

(https://66.media.tumblr.com/0b2dbaa648f360ec3e4a2004533c099e/tumblr_oeta3qqZFh1tkxvxvo1_500.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2016, 12:57:28 AM

Quote from: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2016/10/cnn-hillary-clinton-wins-debate-57-34-percent

According to CNN, debate watchers thought Hillary Clinton won the debate, 57-34 percent. CNN's focus group was something like 20-1 in favor of Clinton.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 01:01:56 AM

Clinton News Network says Clinton wins debate. Meanwhile in objective journalism:

Quote

**DRUDGE POLL** WHO WON THE SECOND PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE?
TRUMP  82.89%  (181,102 votes)
 
 
CLINTON  17.11%  (37,391 votes)
 
 
 
Total Votes: 218,493

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 01:56:51 AM

Quote

An upbeat Hillary Clinton said that she was “surprised by the absolute avalanche of falsehoods” coming from Donald Trump

and she claims she's qualified to be President

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 02:27:00 AM

http://www.theonion.com/article/confused-audience-member-town-hall-debate-asking-a-54138

Quote

ST. LOUIS—Insisting the signaling devices posed a safety threat to the local community, a confused audience member at Sunday night’s presidential town hall debate reportedly questioned the nominees about the city’s new traffic lights. “Those new stoplights they put in near downtown never work right, and I want to know if there’s a plan to do something about it,” said the misguided man, before stating to the two frontrunners for president of the United States that someone needed to be held accountable for the traffic backups the signal was causing. “The yellow lights on them go by way too quick. It’s hard to tell if you should stop or not. On top of that, the new ones they put in at Tucker and Washington were on the fritz the other day, and that’s a busy intersection. Somebody needs to fix them.” At press time, the same audience member was reportedly interrupting Donald Trump’s criticism of the Iran nuclear deal to ask a follow-up question about a big pothole on Truman Parkway.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Raist on October 10, 2016, 02:34:41 AM

Farage being over there still crack me up.

"My job is done mates, it's been years, I now leave UKIP to focus on my personal life and family"
*fucks off to the US to follow Trump around like a little bitch*

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 03:04:45 AM

https://twitter.com/EVanimal44/status/785333459392790528/video/1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Raist on October 10, 2016, 03:55:25 AM

Can't say I'm shocked, but :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqCIub3SmCI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Momo on October 10, 2016, 04:01:27 AM

Hey Guys, I found a video that's a perfect summation of the state of US politics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajy1xNB-LkI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Raist on October 10, 2016, 04:18:38 AM

Just watched the first 20mins of the debate. I just can't :lol

Whoever wins, good luck guys. You're gonna need it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'm an EU citizen living in the UK. I'm probably fucked too.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Halp.

[close]

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 08:36:28 AM

https://twitter.com/RealKennyBone

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 10, 2016, 08:44:06 AM

Pence is going to be interviewed on CNN in a few minutes

Edit: Just damage control, brushed off being thrown under the bus by Trump concerning Syria at the debate.  Claims he never wanted to drop out of the race.  :doge

Edit2: Also, Bill Clinton was a rapist so please ignore PussyGate from now on.  Thank you and God Bless America

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 10, 2016, 08:47:31 AM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 10, 2016, 08:44:06 AM

Pence is going to be interviewed on CNN in a few minutes

It's happening ? :hans1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 10, 2016, 09:15:46 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/?postshare=811476078962605&tid=ss_tw

Trump campaign apparently wanted to confront Bill Clinton with his former alleged mistresses in the debate hall VIP booth.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 10, 2016, 09:58:07 AM

 Last Week Tonight: Guantánamo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEbFtMgGhPY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Nola on October 10, 2016, 10:09:32 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 10, 2016, 09:15:46 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/10/trumps-debate-plan-to-seat-bill-clintons-accusers-in-family-box-was-thwarted/?postshare=811476078962605&tid=ss_tw

Trump campaign apparently wanted to confront Bill Clinton with his former alleged mistresses in the debate hall VIP booth.

Why couldn't he? I thought Trump was a great negotiator? The best! Will win on every deal!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 10:26:10 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2016, 10:36:35 PM

Everyone: "Who are the idiots that are undecided at this point?"

*watches debate*

Everyone: "Oh."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyZUKAaxGrs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 10:54:22 AM

Quote

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 
History lesson: There’s a big difference between Hillary Clinton and Abraham Lincoln. For one, his nickname is Honest Abe. #RattledHillary
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXxMp1WAAEEFf_.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 10, 2016, 10:57:34 AM

I kind of need to see her with an abe beard now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2016, 11:15:36 AM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:20:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:16:55 PM

i like how he always says "the latinos, the hispanics", because i don't think he knows which one is the right one to use

Your mom uses "Latino"

well the dishes don't wash themselves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 11:38:16 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 10, 2016, 11:15:36 AM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 09, 2016, 10:20:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 09, 2016, 10:16:55 PM

i like how he always says "the latinos, the hispanics", because i don't think he knows which one is the right one to use

Your mom uses "Latino"

well the dishes don't wash themselves.

(http://i.imgur.com/oASwafnl.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: zomgee on October 10, 2016, 11:38:50 AM

Paul Ryan is a cuck stooge democrat chicken pussy

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/10/politics/paul-ryan-said-he-wont-defend-donald-trump/index.html?adkey=bn

Quote

House Speaker Paul Ryan told fellow Republicans Monday he will no longer defend GOP nominee Donald Trump and will instead use the next 29 days to focus on preserving his party's hold on Congress.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 11:44:50 AM

At this time the republican party has given up on trump and is shifting to contain the damage to just that election and bleeding into congress elections.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 12:24:40 PM

benji can fact-check me but +11 seems pretty historic. If she wins with that it'll be considered an absolute blowout.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2016, 12:24:51 PM

With the current structure of America +11 is a blowout. You won't see Reagan or FDR style blowouts anymore. The country is too partisan for that. There is too much media to confirm your bias. The current demographic voting patterns are too entrenched.

I don't even think it will be +11 in the final percentages of the vote. Even that's probably too much. I would guess maybe 7 or 8. Who cares either way. 4 more years of liberal federal judges and potential supreme court picks. Another bruising for the GOP at the presidential level. A more even congress and house.

Of course another beating in the 2 years at the mid-term but you take what you can get.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 12:27:07 PM

Quote

[Donald J. Trump] talks like a guy. And ladies out there, this is what guys talk about when you're not around. So if you're offended by it, grow up. And by the way, this is what you guys talk about over white wine when you have your brunches." –Scott Baio

:ryker
defend sexist statements with  more sexist statements.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 12:30:18 PM

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/10/Melania-Trump-pussy-bow-Associated-Press-640x486.jpg)

Quote

Melania Trump, wife of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, wore a Gucci blouse called a “pussy bow”to the second presidential debate.

The potential First Lady’s wardrobe choice came as her husband faced blistering criticism over a recorded conversation in 2005 in which he joked about groping women. One of the words he used included a crude reference to the female anatomy.
...

The Gucci “pussy-bow” blouse retails at Net-a-Porter.com for $1,100. The site’s editors note: “Pussy-bow shirts are one of Gucci’s signature silhouettes. New for Pre-Fall ’16, this fuchsia style is cut from silk crepe de chine for a languid drape. We think it’s a chic way to elevate office or weekend looks.”

Mrs. Trump matched the blouse with a set of fuchsia slacks.

After the debate, Melania Trump greeted Bill Clinton — wearing her pussy-bow, of course.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2016, 12:43:34 PM

https://www.apnews.com/6f1eb5006112448c96b194924e1665d2?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

Quote

NBC on Sunday suspended "Today" show personality Billy Bush indefinitely

damn. I didn't think they would have the balls.

I mean its not like he cares. He'll just head over to fox but still.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 10, 2016, 12:43:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 12:30:18 PM

After the debate, Melania Trump greeted Bill Clinton — wearing her pussy-bow, of course.

[/quote]

Isn't that how everyone greets Bill?  With a pussy bow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 01:34:48 PM

Quote

Pence in Charlotte telling crowd Trump "literally embodies the spirit of America"

:american :american :american :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2016, 01:41:28 PM

He's not wrong.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 10, 2016, 02:11:05 PM

Privileged white male does whatever the fuck he wants and there’s nothing you can do to stop him ☑️

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 02:16:30 PM

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13224158/trump-clinton-second-debate-no-answers-chart

Surprise, Clinton actually answered the questions while Trump fucked a chair (http://i.imgur.com/lEyee3K.jpg).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 02:23:28 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y7K27rhIC60

:sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 10, 2016, 02:30:27 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 10, 2016, 02:16:30 PM

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13224158/trump-clinton-second-debate-no-answers-chart

Surprise, Clinton actually answered the questions while Trump fucked a chair (http://i.imgur.com/lEyee3K.jpg).

Finally some decent data visualization in this election :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 02:39:16 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CubS-hSWIAAv1Zh.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 02:41:23 PM

What the fuck :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 03:08:53 PM

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13228628/warren-buffett-donald-trump-taxes

Quote

The day after, Buffett came out with a statement saying, in effect, bullshit. He has never used a carry-forward, the technique Trump used to avoid taxes, and he has paid taxes every year since 1944, when he was 13 and paid $7 to fund World War II.

:sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2016, 07:26:26 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 12:30:18 PM

(http://media.breitbart.com/media/2016/10/Melania-Trump-pussy-bow-Associated-Press-640x486.jpg)

Quote

Melania Trump, wife of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, wore a Gucci blouse called a “pussy bow”to the second presidential debate.

The potential First Lady’s wardrobe choice came as her husband faced blistering criticism over a recorded conversation in 2005 in which he joked about groping women. One of the words he used included a crude reference to the female anatomy.
...

The Gucci “pussy-bow” blouse retails at Net-a-Porter.com for $1,100. The site’s editors note: “Pussy-bow shirts are one of Gucci’s signature silhouettes. New for Pre-Fall ’16, this fuchsia style is cut from silk crepe de chine for a languid drape. We think it’s a chic way to elevate office or weekend looks.”

Mrs. Trump matched the blouse with a set of fuchsia slacks.

After the debate, Melania Trump greeted Bill Clinton — wearing her pussy-bow, of course.

gonna need mac to weigh in

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Nola on October 10, 2016, 07:51:42 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 02:39:16 PM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CubS-hSWIAAv1Zh.jpg)

[close]

Sure Trump might grab your daughter's pussy, but at least you can rest easy knowing it's Trump doing it and not the devil!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 10, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

super late but when trump said "im a gentleman go ahead hillary" or whatever i almost shit myself laughing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 08:45:12 PM

 :lol Ana Navarro is going in on the blond lady again on CNN

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2016, 08:46:23 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 08:45:12 PM

:lol Ana Navarro is going in on the blond lady again on CNN

(http://i.imgur.com/8kVvjFp.gif?1)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 08:51:07 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 10, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

super late but when trump said "im a gentleman go ahead hillary" or whatever i almost shit myself laughing

No one respects women more than I do. And women respect me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 10, 2016, 08:55:47 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2016, 12:24:51 PM

Who cares either way. 4 more years of liberal federal judges and potential supreme court picks judicial vacancies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 09:10:13 PM

Quote

Editorial of The New York Sun | October 10, 2016

It looks like this election is going to have to be settled by the voters.

:fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: bork on October 10, 2016, 09:31:21 PM

‘Expert’ Carrie Fisher says Trump’s sniffles are ‘ABSOLUTELY’ a sign of cocaine use (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/expert-carrie-fisher-says-trumps-sniffles-are-absolutely-a-sign-of-cocaine-use/)

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Carrie Fisher has a theory about why Donald Trump has been sniffling so much at the presidential debate.

Trump could once again be heard sniffling during the second presidential debate Sunday night, an encore of the sharp inhalation noises viewers noticed during the first presidential debate on Sep. 26. Fischer, of "Star Wars" fame, spent the night tweeting her reactions to the debate. Among her observations, Fisher responded to one fan's query about Trump's sniffling with an assertion that the noises were related to cocaine use.

"Tell me something about that sniffle…coke head or no?" asked the fan.

"I’m an expert & ABSOLUTELY," replied Fisher, adding the all-caps emphasis.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 10, 2016, 09:32:10 PM

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 09:48:00 PM

Dear Donald Trump: I played in the NFL. Here’s what we really talk about in the locker room. (http://www.vox.com/first-person/2016/10/10/13230346/donald-trump-locker-room-talk-chris-kluwe)

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Oh, sure, we had some dumb guys, and some guys I wouldn't want to hang out with on any sort of regular basis, but we never had anyone say anything as foul and demeaning as you did on that tape, and, hell, I played a couple years with a guy who later turned out to be a serial rapist. Even he never talked like that.

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We talk about our fears that if a Hitler wannabe who can't even string together a coherent statement on domestic policy becomes president, what that might mean for those of us who are married to a member of a minority community, or are a member of a minority community, or have children going to schools where hopefully nobody screams racial epithets at them or tells them to go back to [insert foreign country they couldn't identify on a map here].

Quote

We talk about money. We talk about what other guys at our position are making, what our next contract might look like, and how much paying taxes each year sucks, since we're in the highest tax bracket and play in multiple states, requiring multiple filings. We talk about how all of us pay taxes, every year, and wonder what a presidential candidate might have to hide if he so stubbornly refuses to release his returns, what possible foreign debts might be lurking in that finance closet he so desperately holds shut with every ounce of his contemptible mental faculties.

:neogaf :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2016, 10:00:57 PM

https://youtu.be/Fq_ZosSy_9I

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 10:10:34 PM

I flipped out* on my mom today because she thought that Joey Salads "social experiment" video was real.


 :fbm


*by flipped out I mean had a discussion, not amirox-level flip out on your mom

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 10, 2016, 11:00:27 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 10, 2016, 08:51:07 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 10, 2016, 08:45:08 PM

super late but when trump said "im a gentleman go ahead hillary" or whatever i almost shit myself laughing

No one respects women more than I do. And women respect me.

http://imgur.com/gallery/WtkUx

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2016, 11:38:06 PM

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Protest Manager says:
 12:16 am      ~new~
The gov’t controlling Baghdad was stable when Bush left office. President Obama set out to change that, since the only think he hates more than American power and success, is a Republican success.

The surge worked. Obama and Hillary sabotaged the results out of spite.

Quote

E. Harding says:
 12:23 am   ~new~
That’s because, as I have recognized since at least May 2014 and Trump has understood since at least a month ago, Obama created ISIS, almost certainly deliberately. When Obama came into office, Bush left it with a stable government without civil war.

bloods on your hands lieberals

trump/pence 2016 for peace

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2016, 11:53:52 PM

Stable government in Iraq? :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 12:46:31 AM

https://twitter.com/fordm/status/785674071002406912

 :dizzy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 11, 2016, 01:00:27 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 11, 2016, 12:46:31 AM

https://twitter.com/fordm/status/785674071002406912

 :dizzy

Oh Wow, another one of my heroes bites the dust.

Some of us are brave enough to continue on, Glenn.  The Trump Train will not be stopped!

*watches Clinton Cash for the 37th time alone in a cold, dark and damp basement*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 01:07:49 AM

For the record, that image is an invention of Breitbart, and Beck doesn't fully endorse Clinton. But he's completely on the #NeverTrump train now. So good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 01:13:33 AM

lmao at how they twisted that quote and the interview, just delicious and the comments on Breitbart  :delicious

Quote from: Glenn Beck

If the consequence of standing against Trump and for principles is indeed the election of Hillary Clinton, so be it. At least it is a moral, ethical choice

Quote from: Glenn Beck

I can’t do it [vote for Hillary], because she’s just — she’s just a horse of a different color. They’re both bad. I think under Hillary Clinton, the nation — most likely — can become just run by oligarchs. I think under Donald Trump, he’s so unstable, I wouldn’t put anything past him. I don’t know what our party looks like.

Quote from: The Blaze

So who is Beck voting for in November? Darrell Castle, an attorney from Memphis, Tennessee, and the Constitution Party’s presidential nominee.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 01:22:00 AM

mmm even The Blaze has mostly turned on him

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Mighty_Mouse -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:17pm
At least Trump goes by it honestly about who he is; Glenn Beck on the other hand has pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes. You know damn well he is going to pull the lever on Hillary. His disdain for Trump is personal. He is not thinking about America, nor does he care about America.

I have said this for months that Glenn Beck was slowly revealing who he really is and that he is putting his bruised ego and pride before the needs of this nation. IF Hillary is elected and the Tsunami of Ruin hits our shores – Beck and his 2%’er friends will be able to afford admission to the Ark that will keep them afloat, while we the upper-middle, middle, and lower-middle class people will be paying the price.

I’ve said for months that I had him figured out. He wants Clinton to win. If Trump were to win and our Nation actually recovered, and everything did get better – his Doom N Gloom business would go down the tubes.

I don’t blame Sean Hannity for stating that he doesn’t want to get with Beck after the election to unite. Who would want to unite with a person who is purposely attempting to sabotage a candidate who CAN stop Hillary; by producing these mass Anti-Trump articles? For example, the Hot-Mic Tape Overshadows Debate headline. What utter bulls-h-i-t! It didn’t overshadow anything. He turned Hillary into a mop and used her to wipe the floor.

My sub to TheBlaze remains cancelled knowing he is in bed with her. I will not patronize a business that accepts money from her.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

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eda76 -Oct. 10, 2016 at 5:47pm
The fact that he would even considered voting for Hillary is reason enough for me to NEVER listen to another word he says. Btw your vote for castle actually is a vote for Hillary. Glad you live in Texas where your vote doesn’t matter anyway.

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eda76 -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:28pm
A vote for a third party candidate is a throw away vote. it’s cowardly and you will be crouching down to kiss clintons fat foot as a direct result.

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Buddynoel -Oct. 10, 2016 at 8:39pm
You thought he was supporting your country, but when it comes down to choosing a path for the next four years, Glenn Back is in it for Glenn Beck.
Hope he’s ready for her new Fairness Doctrine. The new Beck-Alan Colmes Show will only lack conservative opinions.

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OBAMANATIONOFDESOLATION -Oct. 10, 2016 at 7:23pm
The Founding Fathers would have voted for Trump. Hillary will stack the court will progressive judges that will redefine the second amendment, thereby neutering individual liberty. The founders would recognize this and vote for Trump with the hope that he nominates conservative judges as he said he would do. How do I know this? Because they compromised on their values to establish the Republic. Many of them were abolitionists but voted for slavery. They also worked from the inside, establishing the 3/5ths compromise. So Glenn, I ask you which is worse? 4 years of Trump or 100 years of slavery?

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cyby -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:19pm
Dude, I bought your books, subscribed to Blazetv, went to DC when you called and met you in person….and I have to say I am about done with you. God puts people in power for HIS purpose. I regretfully inform you I will be removing Blaze as my opening page. You have informed us too well on Soros and Hillary. You are establishment now…

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BloodSweatandTears -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:00pm
Oh, so don’t worry about her appointing up to FOUR Supreme Court justices? A 65 % estate tax and higher taxes on all your, and your childrens incomes. Not to mention al the Federal judges etc., and of course global warming and hillaryCare should really line their pockets… Someone said she already turned the Whitehouse into a Walmart.

You set up the laws, position yourself and reap the returns, just like what happened in Haiti. THANKS glenn.

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dare_da -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:10pm
Considering to vote for Killary is like considering abandoning freedom and locking yourself up in a Mexican prison. What is wrong with Glenn?

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KahanaKahuna -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:06pm
So, Glenn, when Hillary wins, she’ll notify you where you need to go to register your guns. Then, she’ll tell you where to go to surrender them. Then, all will be good with the world, right?

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jakartaman -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:11pm
And you will have to take in an illegal family, pay higher taxes, agree with all the new liberal supremes, pay higher taxes and support thee new war.

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Hockeymom5 -Oct. 10, 2016 at 5:57pm
Partial birth abortion paid by tax payer money… in bed with Soros… open boarders … not backing Israel … that’s what you have come down to Beck… Glen you have drank the koolaid

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mattcann -Oct. 10, 2016 at 6:23pm
Well, there is a cliche from an old movie to describe Glen’s comments re. voting for Hillary:
For me, this is “A Bridge Too Far…” I’m done with this lunatic completely and forever.
Why listen to anything Glen has to say when he demonstrates on a daily basis that he’s gone round the bend?
He should have done what Ted Cruz did. Swallow hard, and admit that anyone’s better than Hillary. But no, he such and egomaniac that he couldn’t do it. What a fool…
I loved Glen’s show on radio and TV for many years, but I just canceled my Blaze subscription. A very sad day.

[close]

god bless america

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 02:05:20 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/DWdlmLC.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Raist on October 11, 2016, 02:42:54 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 02:05:20 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/DWdlmLC.jpg)

(https://abload.de/img/3373069_f260gkqb4.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 03:03:40 AM

FAT CHECK
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CubAEQ0UAAAu-hk.jpg)
 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 03:08:07 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct2jom4WcAAUTKZ.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 11, 2016, 04:30:42 AM

Quote from: bork pls on October 10, 2016, 09:31:21 PM

‘Expert’ Carrie Fisher says Trump’s sniffles are ‘ABSOLUTELY’ a sign of cocaine use (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/expert-carrie-fisher-says-trumps-sniffles-are-absolutely-a-sign-of-cocaine-use/)

Quote

Carrie Fisher has a theory about why Donald Trump has been sniffling so much at the presidential debate.

Trump could once again be heard sniffling during the second presidential debate Sunday night, an encore of the sharp inhalation noises viewers noticed during the first presidential debate on Sep. 26. Fischer, of "Star Wars" fame, spent the night tweeting her reactions to the debate. Among her observations, Fisher responded to one fan's query about Trump's sniffling with an assertion that the noises were related to cocaine use.

"Tell me something about that sniffle…coke head or no?" asked the fan.

"I’m an expert & ABSOLUTELY," replied Fisher, adding the all-caps emphasis.

I don't buy it. If Don's a coke fiend, shouldn't he be, you know, skinny? Not to mention energetic.

It wouldn't surprise me if he's on something, pills of some sort. You don't get to be that disjointed in thought without some help

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Rufus on October 11, 2016, 04:57:40 AM

He doesn't have to be a regular user.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: archie4208 on October 11, 2016, 08:11:39 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 11, 2016, 03:08:07 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ct2jom4WcAAUTKZ.jpg)

Millennials were a mistake.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 11, 2016, 09:20:47 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 11, 2016, 04:30:42 AM

I don't buy it. If Don's a coke fiend, shouldn't he be, you know, skinny?

Nope!
(https://mortarandpistol.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/chris_farley-300x300.jpg)

I agree that it's pretty unlikely that a 70 year old dude is doing fat rails with any regularity. Wouldn't be surprised if he's taking some kind of amphetamine though, dude seems pretty addled, but he also might just be distinguished mentally-challenged.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Boogie on October 11, 2016, 09:50:38 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 11, 2016, 04:30:42 AM

Quote from: bork pls on October 10, 2016, 09:31:21 PM

‘Expert’ Carrie Fisher says Trump’s sniffles are ‘ABSOLUTELY’ a sign of cocaine use (http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/expert-carrie-fisher-says-trumps-sniffles-are-absolutely-a-sign-of-cocaine-use/)

Quote

Carrie Fisher has a theory about why Donald Trump has been sniffling so much at the presidential debate.

Trump could once again be heard sniffling during the second presidential debate Sunday night, an encore of the sharp inhalation noises viewers noticed during the first presidential debate on Sep. 26. Fischer, of "Star Wars" fame, spent the night tweeting her reactions to the debate. Among her observations, Fisher responded to one fan's query about Trump's sniffling with an assertion that the noises were related to cocaine use.

"Tell me something about that sniffle…coke head or no?" asked the fan.

"I’m an expert & ABSOLUTELY," replied Fisher, adding the all-caps emphasis.

I don't buy it. If Don's a coke fiend, shouldn't he be, you know, skinny?

Have we all forgotten Rob Ford already?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 09:59:05 AM

The skinny coke user is a myth. I've lived in Miami and I've hung out with plenty of cats that enjoy them some nose candy. You have to be a complete fiend for it to start effecting your appetite. If you just use it recreationally your body composition is not going to be different.

With that said, Trump does not ever look coked out. The biggest tell is that their eyes are wide, wide open. Trump on the other hand looks like he's sedated.

There was a segment on CNN where they analyzed his body language and they said the sniffing is a subconscious tick of him trying to assert himself or something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 10:22:34 AM

http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635

So have we all read this yet? Sputnik was touting a doctored email as proof of Hillary "doing the Benghazi" (they eventually took it down) and then the same email is being waved around by Donald Trump at a rally. I'm not saying it was Putin, but it was Putin. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 11, 2016, 10:37:13 AM

https://twitter.com/richardhine/status/784611488631820289

Quote

Trump: Don't judge me on the man I was 10 years ago. But please judge Hillary on the man her husband was 20 years ago #TrumpTapes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2016, 10:40:18 AM

We can agree Bill Clinton is a sexual predator though right.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 10:42:07 AM

Don't judge me on the man I was 11 years ago, judge Hillary on  a 40 year old court case.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 11, 2016, 10:42:49 AM

Seems like it's more okay because he's a cool saxophone guy and not a horrible orange troll monster?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2016, 11:00:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2016, 10:40:18 AM

We can agree Bill Clinton is a sexual predator though right.  :doge

No man that can play the sax is a predator. 

edit:  should have read the other replies before posting

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 11, 2016, 11:02:45 AM

Just remembered how Walrus ragequit cuz of this thread. RIP

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2016, 11:17:34 AM

Donald J. Trump ‏@realDonaldTrump 28 min
Disloyal R's are far more difficult than Crooked Hillary. They come at you from all sides. They don’t know how to win - I will teach them!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 11:23:55 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/o64IvAO.png)

:mouf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2016, 11:29:43 AM

That's right people. He was in shackles til now. Think about that.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/07/09/paul-nehlen-at-paul-ryans-mansion-tear-down-your-wall-if-you-wont-build-one-for-the-country/

:confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 11, 2016, 11:31:21 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/kLYZVob.png)
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 11:34:02 AM

Says who?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2016, 11:34:29 AM

But I do quite [sic] find it rich that we have Democrats and the left talking about rape culture, when they’re the ones backed fully by Hollywood. This rape culture is purported [sic] by none other than the entertainment industry, none other than hip-hop music, which you can hear on local radio stations.
Katrina Pierson in some news show

Also that :
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2016/oct/11/donald-trump-brings-lookalike-toddler-on-stage-video

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 11:37:49 AM

Also... (https://twitter.com/branfire/status/785687347278979072)

Quote

“I wanted to point something out, which is that Hillary Clinton expresses that she finds the language on that bus horrific, but in fact she likes language like this: quote, I came to slay, bitch, when he eff me good I take his ass to Red Lobster.”

“Did she say that?”

“That happens to be a line from Beyonce, her favorite performer, whom she says she idolizes and would like to imitate.”

Taking someone to Red Lobster for effing you good = rape. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 11, 2016, 11:41:01 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 11:23:55 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/o64IvAO.png)

:mouf

My god. Every time I think "This is crazy. There's no way this could get crazier." Trump goes deeper. I know that it's been this way since he announced he was running. But in my defense, a tape of him bragging about sexual assault just came out and his response was "Bill Clinton! And if I win I'll jail my opponent!!" just 2 days ago. I could be excused as thinking "Surely, we've hit the bottom now."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 11:44:32 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 11:34:02 AM

Says who?

The people. I've spoken to them. And let me tell you, the people are talking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 11, 2016, 11:47:08 AM

The only one who can protect us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTylz2WToXw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 11, 2016, 11:52:04 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 11, 2016, 11:41:01 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 11:23:55 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/o64IvAO.png)

:mouf

My god. Every time I think "This is crazy. There's no way this could get crazier." Trump goes deeper. I know that it's been this way since he announced he was running. But in my defense, a tape of him bragging about sexual assault just came out and his response was "Bill Clinton! And if I win I'll jail my opponent!!" just 2 days ago. I could be excused as thinking "Surely, we've hit the bottom now."

Huh? This seems pretty tame in the scope of the Trump's insanity. It would be surprising if he didn't lash out at the GOP bucking him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 11, 2016, 11:54:41 AM

This part seems pretty tame, true, but knowing that he's just going to go full bear anytime now tells me it's going to get way crazier. If he doesn't feel he have to keep the GOP establishment happy and they're against him, mark my words it's going to get much crazier.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 11, 2016, 11:56:54 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 10, 2016, 12:24:51 PM

With the current structure of America +11 is a blowout. You won't see Reagan or FDR style blowouts anymore. The country is too partisan for that. There is too much media to confirm your bias. The current demographic voting patterns are too entrenched.

I don't even think it will be +11 in the final percentages of the vote. Even that's probably too much. I would guess maybe 7 or 8. Who cares either way. 4 more years of liberal federal judges and potential supreme court picks. Another bruising for the GOP at the presidential level. A more even congress and house.

Of course another beating in the 2 years at the mid-term but you take what you can get.

There is a sizable fraction of the Republican base who hate Trump and will try to primary Congressmen who supported him when mid-term elections roll around. Hell I think anyone after this election who takes the "loud and plainspoken" technique when giving speeches will incur comparisons to Trump. You have to consider that Hillary might win by the biggest margin in 30 years so that's going to widen the split in the Republican party that started back in 2010.

There's a lot of maybes and what-if scenarios to think about but I just don't see a conservative who refuses to vote for Trump willing to fill out a ballot in 2018 if the Republican candidate was a Trump supporter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 11:58:18 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 11, 2016, 11:47:08 AM

The only one who can protect us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTylz2WToXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrMuw7LfIV8

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 12:05:00 PM

Best case scenario is Trump loses, holds a grudge against the GOP and then runs as an independent for the next several terms (however many he has left in him before he kicks the butcket), completely splintering the Republican party and ruining their chances of holding office for years to come.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2016, 12:09:39 PM

If he can make money on it, bet he would. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 12:21:00 PM

Nearly one-third of all Republican senators now say they won’t support Trump (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/10/10/13218722/republican-senators-wont-vote-endorse-trump)

mjlol.gif

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 12:21:15 PM

If he could lose money on it, I bet he would.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2016, 12:58:11 PM

If he could lose money on it, stiff his creditors with the bill, and then take the loss on his income taxes, I bet he would.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: T-Short on October 11, 2016, 01:03:45 PM

https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/785348654135738368 (https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/785348654135738368)

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 01:04:11 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2016, 12:58:11 PM

If he could lose money on it, stiff his creditors with the bill, and then take the loss on his income taxes, I bet he would.

WRONG

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 01:07:18 PM

Quote from: Hyoushi on October 11, 2016, 01:03:45 PM

https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/785348654135738368 (https://twitter.com/kenbone18/status/785348654135738368)

 :lol

https://twitter.com/MarkTCoggins/status/785533311783428096

First reply. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2016, 01:12:32 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 11:37:49 AM

Also... (https://twitter.com/branfire/status/785687347278979072)

Quote

“I wanted to point something out, which is that Hillary Clinton expresses that she finds the language on that bus horrific, but in fact she likes language like this: quote, I came to slay, bitch, when he eff me good I take his ass to Red Lobster.”

“Did she say that?”

“That happens to be a line from Beyonce, her favorite performer, whom she says she idolizes and would like to imitate.”

Taking someone to Red Lobster for effing you good = rape. :doge

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/2986838

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 01:16:11 PM

These panels have been GOLD the last week.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE PUSSY GRAB :drudge
Post by: james on October 11, 2016, 03:24:58 PM

Reddit is a wonderful place.

Thread:
Folks, did you know that there is a Trump Conservative running against Paul Ryan in Wisconsin? Can we FLOOD Spencer Zimmerman with support to send a message to the establishment? (self.The_Donald)

Reply:
[–]HairyTacoFanatic 2 points 5 hours ago
Let's fact check the guy first and make sure he is what he is and not another Paul Ryan. The name Zimmerman puts me on edge for some reason. Can someone background this guy?


Even better, the thread has 3,953 upvotes.

....and the Facebook page they link to for support has only 473 likes

 :journo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 03:30:25 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=219842030#post219842030

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 03:40:01 PM

ZimmerMAN is the hero we deserve.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 11, 2016, 03:50:56 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 12:05:00 PM

Best case scenario is Trump loses, holds a grudge against the GOP and then runs as an independent for the next several terms (however many he has left in him before he kicks the butcket), completely splintering the Republican party and ruining their chances of holding office for years to come.

Nah independents dont do well on a 2nd run.

But he could try for Senator or even better, House. Create a Trump Party, sponsored by Trump TV.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Nola on October 11, 2016, 04:25:20 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 11, 2016, 11:56:54 AM

There is a sizable fraction of the Republican base who hate Trump and will try to primary Congressmen who supported him when mid-term elections roll around. Hell I think anyone after this election who takes the "loud and plainspoken" technique when giving speeches will incur comparisons to Trump. You have to consider that Hillary might win by the biggest margin in 30 years so that's going to widen the split in the Republican party that started back in 2010.

There's a lot of maybes and what-if scenarios to think about but I just don't see a conservative who refuses to vote for Trump willing to fill out a ballot in 2018 if the Republican candidate was a Trump supporter.

IDK. The Republican party has been on a trend of getting overwhelmed by the ever-radicalizing base of the party for some time. Especially the House. I'm not sure even a beatdown in the presidential election can knock the tires off that train.

How do Republicans expect some gerrymandered redneck town in Georgia or Louisiana to buy into choosing a more moderate Republican that disavows Trump when the other guy will probably be feeding them constant servings of tea party/Trump esque rhetoric that is resonating in these places? Maybe the Trump brand gets damaged but I'm not sure his tactics or strategies will.

The non-Trump Republicans seem to be in a lose/lose. They go the Obama strategy again and play the obstruction card, they start the cycle of enflaming the sentiment that plays to Trump's hand right back over. Then if they show any slivers of being functional politicians, they open themselves for attack and cries of de-legitimacy. Go ultra hardline then they just become the thing they feared, having to ever increase the rhetoric beyond their pale to stave off competition. Become full on moderates and TrumpTV(or whatever platform carries the torch) will call them traitors and hardline conservative districts will primary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 04:40:05 PM

Yeah, GOP is fucked for a good while. Tea Party should have been the first warning quake but now the proverbial San Andreas fault has erupted thanks to Trump. 20+ years of Fox news brainwashing in order to win petty partisan battles and it's finally backfiring spectacularly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 05:01:21 PM

Quote from: james on October 11, 2016, 03:50:56 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 12:05:00 PM

Best case scenario is Trump loses, holds a grudge against the GOP and then runs as an independent for the next several terms (however many he has left in him before he kicks the butcket), completely splintering the Republican party and ruining their chances of holding office for years to come.

Nah independents dont do well on a 2nd run.

But he could try for Senator or even better, House. Create a Trump Party, sponsored by Trump TV.

I think you're underestimating the Trump crazies. They really don't care about the GOP, if he was to step down, they wouldn't go vote for Mike Pence or whomever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 11, 2016, 05:11:09 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 05:01:21 PM

Quote from: james on October 11, 2016, 03:50:56 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 12:05:00 PM

Best case scenario is Trump loses, holds a grudge against the GOP and then runs as an independent for the next several terms (however many he has left in him before he kicks the butcket), completely splintering the Republican party and ruining their chances of holding office for years to come.

Nah independents dont do well on a 2nd run.

But he could try for Senator or even better, House. Create a Trump Party, sponsored by Trump TV.

I think you're underestimating the Trump crazies. They really don't care about the GOP, if he was to step down, they wouldn't go vote for Mike Pence or whomever.

I agree on your second point, but not your first.

Santorum and Palin were very popular.

4 years later they were has-beens.

Trumps brand is that hes a winner. When he loses....well, he's a loser. His fans will move on to the next big crazy.

Who knows, maybe Hannity will run in 2020.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on October 11, 2016, 05:20:38 PM

Quote

The former lead singer of the rock band Blink-182 emailed Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign about UFOs, according to a new report.

Tom DeLonge sent at least two emails to Clinton’s campaign manager about the unexplained phenomenon, The Wall Street Journal said Monday.

The Journal said DeLonge’s outreach to John Podesta was revealed in WikiLeaks’s recent latest dump of hacked emails.
The first message shows DeLonge promising in 2015 to introduce Podesta to two credible sources on UFOs.

“I think you will find them very interesting, as they were principal leadership relating to our sensitive topic,” he says. "Both were in charge of most fragile divisions, as it relates to Classified Science and [Department of Defense] topics.

“Other words, these are A-list officials. Worth our time, as well as the investment to bring all the way out to you.”

The second communication finds DeLonge detailing his work with a former military official on UFO research.

“He just has to say that out loud, but he is very, very aware — as he was in charge of all the stuff,” he told Podesta of his contact in the 2016 message.

“When Roswell crashed, they shipped it to the laboratory at Wright Patterson Air Force Base. General McCasland was in charge of that exact laboratory up to a couple years ago.”

DeLonge was referencing the conspiracy theory that the U.S. government recovered an extraterrestrial vehicle from crash in Roswell, N.M., in 1947. The military maintains the incident resulted from a surveillance balloon that crashed there.

The Journal noted it remains unclear if Podesta ever responded to DeLonge’s overtures about UFOs.

Absolutely disgusting that Killary isn't taking action here.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2016, 05:22:07 PM

Knowing her, she deleted the email. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 05:25:25 PM

Quote from: james on October 11, 2016, 05:11:09 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 05:01:21 PM

Quote from: james on October 11, 2016, 03:50:56 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 12:05:00 PM

Best case scenario is Trump loses, holds a grudge against the GOP and then runs as an independent for the next several terms (however many he has left in him before he kicks the butcket), completely splintering the Republican party and ruining their chances of holding office for years to come.

Nah independents dont do well on a 2nd run.

But he could try for Senator or even better, House. Create a Trump Party, sponsored by Trump TV.

I think you're underestimating the Trump crazies. They really don't care about the GOP, if he was to step down, they wouldn't go vote for Mike Pence or whomever.

I agree on your second point, but not your first.

Santorum and Palin were very popular.

4 years later they were has-beens.

Trumps brand is that hes a winner. When he loses....well, he's a loser. His fans will move on to the next big crazy.

Who knows, maybe Hannity will run in 2020.

Nah, Hannity is already a loser.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 11, 2016, 05:38:13 PM

Trump wasn't a contender or an appointee. He has, I shudder to say this, some legitimacy as a party spokesman. He's going to run again and look like a contender/national shame until June  After which he'll probably lose if the GOP learned to just focus on one candidate but that dude will obviously also lose unless he's latino as fuck and Hillary had some massive fuck ups in her presidency.

You can get a Murican to vote for an American but not vice-versa. I still wouldn't expect the party to change at all until after the next election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2016, 05:47:05 PM

He's not going to run again.  He's old, dog.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2016, 05:54:32 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 11, 2016, 05:47:05 PM

He's not going to run again.  He's old, dog.

He's quite possibly the healthiest person to run for President. His doctor said so. You're just spreading misinformation. Sad!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 05:55:24 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 11, 2016, 05:54:32 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 11, 2016, 05:47:05 PM

He's not going to run again.  He's old, dog.

He's quite possibly the healthiest person to run for President. His doctor said so. You're just spreading misinformation. Sad!

*sniff*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2016, 06:14:18 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/Jzokun/status/785708353360060416

lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 11, 2016, 06:20:26 PM

Minor irritating subplot of the election: the proliferation of "we need to listen to Trump supporters and feel their pain" thinkpieces.

I get the need for empathy and for avoiding a sense of smug superiority, but at this point these are basically white people explaining why other white people aren't really racist.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2016, 06:37:32 PM

I think the basic idea of those pieces is OK (at least the economic focused ones).  There is a large population of people economically suffering and disenfranchised from both parties and ya you need to listen to them or it will be Trumps from here on out. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 11, 2016, 07:42:26 PM

Megyn Kelly is below average.

Honestly, if we are going to rate the news anchor game, CNN wins hands down.

Brianna Keilar   :lawd
Erin Burnett  :-* :-* :-*
Brooke Baldwin  :-* :-* :-*



Rachel Maddow  :yuck





Wolf Blitzer   :phil

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2016, 09:15:40 PM

https://twitter.com/cafedotcom/status/785902825838567424

 :salute

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Steve Contra on October 11, 2016, 09:17:36 PM

CNN has Anderson Cooper as well :noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 11, 2016, 09:54:02 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2016, 09:15:40 PM

https://twitter.com/cafedotcom/status/785902825838567424

 :salute

Ugh this emoticon is triggering

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 10:00:47 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 11, 2016, 09:15:40 PM

https://twitter.com/cafedotcom/status/785902825838567424

 :salute

Holy goddamn shit. :lol

I'd vote for President Linda Blaire (with Vice President Karas, nache.)

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 11, 2016, 09:17:36 PM

CNN has Anderson Cooper as well :noah

GOAT-looking newsperson :noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2016, 10:06:42 PM

https://twitter.com/Walldo/status/786022757804892161

:dead

This has to be deliberate self-sabotage at this point, right?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 11, 2016, 10:32:07 PM

:lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 12:43:01 AM

(https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-QF031_botwt1_M_20161011124041.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 01:00:46 AM

Quote

Like an abuser who takes out his personal failures and frustrations and rages on his wife and his children, Paul Ryan and the GOP are now alone in the house with Donald Trump.

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 03:57:14 AM

Quote

In December 2011, Chelsea Clinton sent a sharply worded email to top family confidants saying that people in London had raised "serious concerns" about the way Teneo was using her father's name to set up meetings for clients, according to private emails released by WikiLeaks. "I will raise all of this and more with my father this evening," she wrote. "Wanted to update you all in the meanwhile about my augmented concerns post London."

At the time, Chelsea Clinton had already been pushing to enact tougher rules at the foundation regarding conflicts of interest and outside income. In response, Band blasted her behind her back as an irrational ingrate who runs “to daddy to change a decision or interject herself in the process.”

In the emails released by WikiLeaks on Monday and Tuesday, Band dismissed Clinton as an entitled and power-hungry young woman who wreaked havoc at the Clinton Foundation — and who created a stressful environment that contributed to one person's contemplating suicide — simply because she was bored and protective of her relationship with her father.

“She is acting like a spoiled brat kid who has nothing else to do but create issues to justify what she's doing because she, as she has said, hasn't found her way and has a lack of focus in her life,” Band wrote in a November 2011 email to longtime Clinton family adviser John Podesta.

Quote

Podesta urged Band to try to avoid sparring with Chelsea Clinton, but at the same time he was emailing with her and others in a manner that seemed to validate Chelsea's concerns about setting up outside procedures for dealing with Teneo.

Quote from: Doug Band

I'm also starting to worry that if this story gets out, we are screwed.

:neogaf gg doug

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Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 04:06:46 AM

https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/785736619550765056

Quote

incredulist ‏@incredulist  Oct 11
@adamjohnsonNYC how did you obtain those tweets? Kremlin??

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 04:50:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YedwdW81GLY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on October 12, 2016, 08:34:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 03:57:14 AM

Quote

In December 2011, Chelsea Clinton sent a sharply worded email to top family confidants saying that people in London had raised "serious concerns" about the way Teneo was using her father's name to set up meetings for clients, according to private emails released by WikiLeaks. "I will raise all of this and more with my father this evening," she wrote. "Wanted to update you all in the meanwhile about my augmented concerns post London."

At the time, Chelsea Clinton had already been pushing to enact tougher rules at the foundation regarding conflicts of interest and outside income. In response, Band blasted her behind her back as an irrational ingrate who runs “to daddy to change a decision or interject herself in the process.”

In the emails released by WikiLeaks on Monday and Tuesday, Band dismissed Clinton as an entitled and power-hungry young woman who wreaked havoc at the Clinton Foundation — and who created a stressful environment that contributed to one person's contemplating suicide — simply because she was bored and protective of her relationship with her father.

“She is acting like a spoiled brat kid who has nothing else to do but create issues to justify what she's doing because she, as she has said, hasn't found her way and has a lack of focus in her life,” Band wrote in a November 2011 email to longtime Clinton family adviser John Podesta.

Quote

Podesta urged Band to try to avoid sparring with Chelsea Clinton, but at the same time he was emailing with her and others in a manner that seemed to validate Chelsea's concerns about setting up outside procedures for dealing with Teneo.

Quote from: Doug Band

I'm also starting to worry that if this story gets out, we are screwed.

:neogaf gg doug

makes me wanna vote for chelsea tbh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 12, 2016, 11:50:07 AM

https://twitter.com/colinjones/status/785980116530638848

 :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2016, 12:19:02 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/white-grievance-cheerleader-tomi-lahren-explains-why-supporters-like-trump-even-more-after-tape-leak/

what's the female equivalent of a coon?
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2016, 12:22:26 PM

poon?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 12, 2016, 12:42:40 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 04:50:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YedwdW81GLY

I skipped through this video with my eyes out of focus and I could swear it was an old MadTV skit with Will Sasso.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Steve Contra on October 12, 2016, 12:48:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2016, 12:19:02 PM

http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/white-grievance-cheerleader-tomi-lahren-explains-why-supporters-like-trump-even-more-after-tape-leak/

what's the female equivalent of a coon?
:whew

Please change Jay Dubya's name to "White Grievance Cheerleader"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 01:38:21 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 04:50:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YedwdW81GLY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_UdpSNccfI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 12, 2016, 02:28:50 PM

Right wing sights are reporting that Putin is ordering all government staff and their families to return to Russia because of the growing threat of war.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 12, 2016, 03:33:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QcJPz_WQ3lc

:obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 12, 2016, 03:44:39 PM

End of term presidents are the best presidents. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 12, 2016, 04:58:42 PM

Bams sounds drunk.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Freyj on October 12, 2016, 06:18:20 PM

"Doesn't give a fuck" Obama is going to be so good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 06:33:41 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 12, 2016, 02:28:50 PM

Right wing sights are reporting that Putin is ordering all government staff and their families to return to Russia because of the growing threat of war.  :doge

:badass

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 07:30:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 01:38:21 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_UdpSNccfI

:rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 07:47:29 PM

It's over:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/miley-cyrus-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-donald-trump/index.html

Quote

Miley Cyrus was feeling the Bern, but now she's all in for Hillary Clinton.

Cyrus, who supported Bernie Sanders during the 2016 primary, said Sanders supporters who are not planning on voting for the Democratic presidential nominee in the general election against Donald Trump are "f***ing crazy."

"That's f***ing crazy and you're out of your mind. It's literally pissing me off more than anything," Cyrus told Variety in an interview published Tuesday.

Quote

"If you could ever consider Donald Trump, you never understood Bernie in the first place," the "Bangerz" singer said.

Cyrus said that she never expected Trump to make it this far and that when the billionaire mogul announced his presidential run in June 2015, she "was laughing."

"When Trump started this, I was laughing. I thought it's not going to go anywhere; there's no way he'll be the candidate," Cyrus said.

Linking Trump to the Kardashians, the pop star said Trump's rise reflects America's fascination with celebrity.

But Cyrus added that "The Kardashians are better than Trump" because they are "just trying to be famous" and "not trying to run the country."

Referencing an interaction she had with Sarah Jessica Parker while filling in as a host on "Ellen," the "Wrecking Ball" singer said she was stumped when Parker asked her if any of her friends are voting for Trump.

"I was like, 'Do you think I have friends that would vote for Donald Trump. Come on! Who do you think I'm hanging out with?'" Cyrus said.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 12, 2016, 08:18:26 PM

Now I'm undecided. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 12, 2016, 08:31:53 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 12, 2016, 08:18:26 PM

Now I'm undecided. 

(http://i.imgur.com/NaCpbxH.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: octopushover on October 12, 2016, 08:33:18 PM

https://twitter.com/Cernovich/status/786311585530650624

his source:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CumXenbWcAU3Ter.jpg

 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 12, 2016, 08:43:21 PM

 :lol

November 1st? Why. Ballots are already printed, she can't be replaced right now so the explanation for releasing n November makes no sense.

Obama wants to start a war with Russia to cover up the emails?  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 12, 2016, 09:15:05 PM

"We are not Russian, also we dont really have a firm grasp on American electorial procedure."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 12, 2016, 09:34:16 PM

Comrade, Comrade, believe me, here is big November surprise. I am not believing it. I am American. Completely.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 10:36:02 PM

Those posts read like a alt-right dark web Christmas list. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 12, 2016, 10:43:35 PM

Tomorrow's headline?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CunOLHeWcAAs-0B.jpg)
Is this the real life?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 10:44:35 PM

We're definitely on the darkest timeline.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 12, 2016, 11:06:07 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 10:44:35 PM

We're definitely on the darkest timeline.

Trump isn't going to be elected, so no, we're not.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 12, 2016, 11:23:09 PM

Hits just keep coming.

NYT: Two Women Say Donald Trump Touched Them Inappropriately (http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/13/us/politics/donald-trump-women.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share)

In an “Entertainment Tonight” Christmas feature in 1992, Trump looked at a group of young girls and said he would be dating one of them in ten years. At the time, Trump would have been 46 years old. (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/more-unearthed-footage-trump-says-of-10-year-old-i-am-going-to-be-dating-her-in-10-years/)

Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted (http://www.latimes.com/nation/politics/trailguide/la-na-trailguide-updates-trump-backers-tweet-repealthe19th-1476299001-htmlstory.html)

"[HRC non-indictment] is the most heinous, the most serious thing that I’ve ever seen involving justice in the United States in the history of the United States." (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-lashes-out-polls-media-gop-229691) Apparently nonexistent: slavery and Japanese internment camps and the Trail of Tears...

Fact is, #DonaldTrump has given us a more detailed plan to sexually assault women than he has to fight Isis. (https://twitter.com/jameshaning/status/786041242345811968?s=09) :dead

And:

Patton Oswalt: "You know what? That Access Hollywood tape will die down. Tell the media I'm gonna re-endorse Trump!" (Checks the news) "Oooh...shit." (https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/786362032320684032)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 12, 2016, 11:40:51 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 12, 2016, 11:06:07 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 12, 2016, 10:44:35 PM

We're definitely on the darkest timeline.

Trump isn't going to be elected, so no, we're not.

The alternate reality where Trump is the president is also known as The Warp.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 12, 2016, 11:44:52 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 12, 2016, 11:23:09 PM

Fact is, #DonaldTrump has given us a more detailed plan to sexually assault women than he has to fight Isis. (https://twitter.com/jameshaning/status/786041242345811968?s=09) :dead

:lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 11:45:58 PM

Quote

RUSH LIMBAUGH: You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police.

:usacry

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Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 11:47:43 PM

Quote

"I do have to tell you about O.J. and 'The Apprentice,'" Trump said in July 2008 on the Howard Stern Show. "NBC went totally crazy when I wanted to put O.J. on The Apprentice."

Trump added that while he was friendly and played golf with O.J. before the murder trial, he abandoned him when he "realized he killed his wife."

"Why would you put him on the Apprentice?" Stern asked

"Well you know, in your business, there's a thing called ratings. And, you know you can come up with a cure for cancer — I found out a lot about your business — because, hey, I'm the biggest star. I'm now the biggest star," Trump said. "So I know that if you come up with a cure for cancer, and if you put it on, and if it doesn't get ratings, they will not broadcast it."

"So, you come with a cure for a disease, no good. Now, I know this if I put O.J. on huge ratings. Oh, forget it, 35 million people," Trump said.

"So did O.J. call you and..." said Stern.

"I don't want to go into it, but O.J. would have done it," said Trump. "I can't go into the details."

Trump refused to answer if he spoke to Simpson about the show when asked directly.

Trump said, "I hadn't spoken to him in years, I don't like people that kill their wives. Does that make sense? Does that make me a disloyal person?"

just lost my vote, this guy and his extreme stances smh

how do we know it wasn't consensual donald, don't be such a social justice warrior

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 12, 2016, 11:48:30 PM

wait what?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 12, 2016, 11:48:53 PM

OMG, who is this batshit insane Katrina person on CNN right now??

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 11:52:40 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 12, 2016, 11:48:53 PM

OMG, who is this batshit insane Katrina person on CNN right now??

Her name is Katrina Pierson, not Person.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2016, 12:08:49 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 11:45:58 PM

Quote

RUSH LIMBAUGH: You know what the magic word, the only thing that matters in American sexual mores today is? One thing. You can do anything, the left will promote and understand and tolerate anything, as long as there is one element. Do you know what it is? Consent. If there is consent on both or all three or all four, however many are involved in the sex act, it's perfectly fine. Whatever it is. But if the left ever senses and smells that there's no consent in part of the equation then here come the rape police.

:usacry

This may be the most shocking and deplorable yet transparent thing I've ever seen Rush Limbaugh ever say. Jesus fucking Christ.

Consent is less of an issue than the amount of people involved. Or the genitalia. Get the fuck out of her. Fuck.

He's basically saying rape is less repugnant when it's male-female than consensual group sex or gay sex. Because "God," I guess. Fuck him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: zomgee on October 13, 2016, 12:10:13 AM

i might finally have a chance to fuck Rush Limbaugh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 12:13:35 AM

What is this "consent" nonsense the left wing media keeps harping on about?  ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 13, 2016, 12:13:37 AM

http://qz.com/806174/second-presidential-debate-linguistics-explains-why-donald-trump-sounds-racist-when-he-says-the-african-americans/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2016, 12:20:31 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CumBWJbW8AEB5e9.jpg:large)

Meanwhile at the 'Blacks for Trump' tent: "I thought YOU brought the black guy" (https://twitter.com/jsavite/status/786301833241387008)

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 13, 2016, 12:24:42 AM

Shouldn't it be The Blacks for Trump tent?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2016, 12:28:23 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 13, 2016, 12:24:42 AM

Shouldn't it be The Blacks for Trump tent?

The African-Americans for Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 12:30:48 AM

The Blacks are living in hell right now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2016, 12:33:33 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 12:30:48 AM

The Blacks are living in hell right now.

It's crazy that real life is less insane than SNL.

"The problem with the blacks is... they are killing each other! All blacks live on one street in Chicago. All on one street! It's called Hell Street. And they live on Hell Street and they're all killing each other."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nQGBZQrtT0

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 13, 2016, 12:53:27 AM

http://people.com/politics/donald-trump-attacked-people-writer/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 01:04:31 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 12, 2016, 11:47:43 PM

Quote

"I do have to tell you about O.J. and 'The Apprentice,'" Trump said in July 2008 on the Howard Stern Show. "NBC went totally crazy when I wanted to put O.J. on The Apprentice."

Trump added that while he was friendly and played golf with O.J. before the murder trial, he abandoned him when he "realized he killed his wife."

"Why would you put him on the Apprentice?" Stern asked

"Well you know, in your business, there's a thing called ratings. And, you know you can come up with a cure for cancer — I found out a lot about your business — because, hey, I'm the biggest star. I'm now the biggest star," Trump said. "So I know that if you come up with a cure for cancer, and if you put it on, and if it doesn't get ratings, they will not broadcast it."

"So, you come with a cure for a disease, no good. Now, I know this if I put O.J. on huge ratings. Oh, forget it, 35 million people," Trump said.

"So did O.J. call you and..." said Stern.

"I don't want to go into it, but O.J. would have done it," said Trump. "I can't go into the details."

Trump refused to answer if he spoke to Simpson about the show when asked directly.

Trump said, "I hadn't spoken to him in years, I don't like people that kill their wives. Does that make sense? Does that make me a disloyal person?"

just lost my vote, this guy and his extreme stances smh

how do we know it wasn't consensual donald, don't be such a social justice warrior

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlnYeKOub2o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 01:04:35 AM

I haven't seen any news work pick up on the People story. All they're talking about is the NYT and Palm Beach Post.  ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 13, 2016, 01:08:05 AM

It's on MSNBC now. I think this is going to be a Cosby situation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 01:15:15 AM

why is this thing never mentioned by the MSM? Isn't this a huge news story?

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/high-profile-casey-anthony-attorney-now-representing-jane-doe-in-trump-rape-lawsuit/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2016, 01:28:27 AM

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/c4b6797296ad6c59934b7c8d0afdc08c/tumblr_obeff8lgG81rp57r0o1_1280.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 13, 2016, 03:05:18 AM

That Rush Limbaugh quote is something, damn.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 13, 2016, 03:08:20 AM

Should still be first lady for consistency imo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 13, 2016, 03:11:40 AM

"Yes Bill, and you'll wear that pink Jackie Kennedy dress."
Hillary's wrath.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Rufus on October 13, 2016, 03:14:27 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 13, 2016, 03:05:18 AM

That Rush Limbaugh quote is something, damn.

He probably feels the pavlovian need to rail against it just because it's a word "leftists" use. But maybe that's too generous of me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 13, 2016, 03:41:35 AM

Quote from: Rufus on October 13, 2016, 03:14:27 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 13, 2016, 03:05:18 AM

That Rush Limbaugh quote is something, damn.

He probably feels the pavlovian need to rail against it just because it's a word "leftists" use. But maybe that's too generous of me.

Yes your generosity is great but most dudes know the right and wrong things to say about consent and this guy just blows right through the socially acceptable rules. I think he has done some Trump-like actions.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 13, 2016, 08:18:23 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 01:15:15 AM

why is this thing never mentioned by the MSM? Isn't this a huge news story?

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/high-profile-casey-anthony-attorney-now-representing-jane-doe-in-trump-rape-lawsuit/

My bet : Too little info to verify, won't risk their credibility. Orgies involving kids or young woman with powerful men is a never dying urban legend and more often than not proven false.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: thisismyusername on October 13, 2016, 09:17:47 AM

Donald Trump once advised Bill Cosby how to handle assault allegations (https://twitter.com/thnklikasoldier/status/786408137272078336) *Smug Pepe*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: chronovore on October 13, 2016, 09:58:22 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 13, 2016, 03:11:40 AM

"Yes Bill, and you'll wear that pink Jackie Kennedy dress."
Hillary's wrath.

She'll trot him out in Monica's old dress.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 10:05:36 AM

Here's the thing about libruls, they do disgusting sex acts like getting consent.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 10:24:19 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 10:05:36 AM

Here's the thing about libruls, they do disgusting sex acts like getting consent.

You're letting women know exactly what you're going to do and when you're going to do it, she's not going to be there anymore. She's gone. Why can't you just have a sneak attack? Why do you have to tell her everything? General Patton and General Douglas MacArthur are spinning in their graves right now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 13, 2016, 10:27:19 AM

I just don't think libruls understand how fucking frustrating it is as a political party to run a smear campaign for 30 years against a family and the public still not buy it. :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 10:42:44 AM

Quote from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3831900/Billy-Bush-bragged-vulgar-Trump-video-NBC-staffers-covering-Rio-Olympics.html

It appears it was Bush's alleged bragging that prompted staff at his former show, Access Hollywood, to track down the 11-year-old tape, which was sitting dusty shelf at the show's offices.

According to Page Six, Bush told numerous people at a party while in Brazil that he had 'a tape of Trump being a real dog.' 

Stay losing, Bush family. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 10:45:09 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 10:42:44 AM

Quote from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3831900/Billy-Bush-bragged-vulgar-Trump-video-NBC-staffers-covering-Rio-Olympics.html

It appears it was Bush's alleged bragging that prompted staff at his former show, Access Hollywood, to track down the 11-year-old tape, which was sitting dusty shelf at the show's offices.

According to Page Six, Bush told numerous people at a party while in Brazil that he had 'a tape of Trump being a real dog.' 

Stay losing, Bush family. :neogaf

The guy could've been a hero if he released the tape himself  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 11:39:23 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 10:45:09 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 10:42:44 AM

Quote from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3831900/Billy-Bush-bragged-vulgar-Trump-video-NBC-staffers-covering-Rio-Olympics.html

It appears it was Bush's alleged bragging that prompted staff at his former show, Access Hollywood, to track down the 11-year-old tape, which was sitting dusty shelf at the show's offices.

According to Page Six, Bush told numerous people at a party while in Brazil that he had 'a tape of Trump being a real dog.' 

Stay losing, Bush family. :neogaf

The guy could've been a hero if he released the tape himself  :lol

Apparently NBC was going to edit Bush out of the tape in the story they were doing, but they got beat to the punch.  :patel

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 13, 2016, 11:40:01 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 10:42:44 AM

Quote from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3831900/Billy-Bush-bragged-vulgar-Trump-video-NBC-staffers-covering-Rio-Olympics.html

It appears it was Bush's alleged bragging that prompted staff at his former show, Access Hollywood, to track down the 11-year-old tape, which was sitting dusty shelf at the show's offices.

According to Page Six, Bush told numerous people at a party while in Brazil that he had 'a tape of Trump being a real dog.' 

Stay losing, Bush family. :neogaf

This is the type of shit where people reading about this election 100 years from now are totally going to think it was conspiracy. 

"Let me get this straight.  The Republican establishment hated Trump and it just happened to be former president George H.W. Bush's nephew/former president George W. Bush's cousin to be the one to kill Trump's bid just 8 months after Jeb! Bush's failed campaign?  Which ultimately handed the White House to another Clinton?!  The same Clintons that attended Trump's wedding?!?!?"

 :hans1 :hans1 :hans1

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 11:45:34 AM

Billy Bush was the Bush's family hatchet man confirmed


the plan to bring down Trump was a decade in the making.

Howard Stern is too responsible for at least one bucket of blood.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2016, 11:52:37 AM

If he was bragging...why didn't he leak that shit during the primary to help Jeb.
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Steve Contra on October 13, 2016, 12:13:28 PM

https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 12:14:24 PM

I am still legit triggered by that Rush Limbaugh thing. To me I don't care how kinky or disgusting a sex act is so long as it's consensual. If everyone is cool with it, do what you like. But the most vanilla thing even like holding hands or a cheek kiss is disgusting to me if there's not consent. It boggles my mind that people don't view it that way. I mean how could you possibly think otherwise?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 12:18:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/n3OsgVc.jpg?1)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 13, 2016, 01:10:52 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 12:14:24 PM

I am still legit triggered by that Rush Limbaugh thing. To me I don't care how kinky or disgusting a sex act is so long as it's consensual. If everyone is cool with it, do what you like. But the most vanilla thing even like holding hands or a cheek kiss is disgusting to me if there's not consent. It boggles my mind that people don't view it that way. I mean how could you possibly think otherwise?

"Consent" is obviously a fake construct of wandering jews undermining our values for their personal gain, and not the backbone of a liberal nation and economy as you thought, sheeple !
Personal freedom is to buy guns and deny gays service, not to distract yourself from your inevitable death by engaging in pleasurable activities.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 01:11:35 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 12:18:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/n3OsgVc.jpg?1)

Family values, moral majority conservatives trying desperately to defend Trump may be the greatest Christmas gift of all. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 01:16:01 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/michelle-obama-speech-trump-comments

First Lady Michelle Obama weighed in on the leaked tape of Donald Trump's predatory comments about women at length in a powerful speech Thursday, calling his comments "disturbing" and "shocking."

Campaigning for Hillary Clinton in Manchester, New Hampshire, Obama expressed disbelief that a presidential candidate made such remarks.

"The fact is that in this election, we have a candidate for president of the United States who, over the course of his lifetime and the course of this campaign has said things about women that are so shocking. So demeaning," she said. "I simply will not repeat anything here today. And last week we saw this candidate actually bragging about sexually assaulting women. And I can't believe that I'm saying that."

Obama said she felt compelled to speak out against Trump's comments because of how disturbing they are.

"It would be dishonest and disingenuous for me to move on to the next thing like this was just a bad dream," she said. "This is not something we can ignore. It's not something we can sweep under the rug as just another disturbing footnote in a sad election season. Because this was not just a lewd conversation. This wasn't locker room banter. This was a powerful individual speaking freely and openly about sexually predator behavior."

Obama focused much of her speech squarely on Trump, though she never spoke his name. She expressed her disgust for Trump’s comments not only as a woman, but as a mother to two girls.

"I feel it so personally. And I'm sure that many of you do too. Particularly the women,” she said. "The shameful comments about our bodies. The disrespect of our ambitions and intellect. The belief that you can do anything you want to a woman. It is cruel. It is frightening. And the truth is, it hurts. It hurts. It's like that sick sinking feeling you get when you're walking down the street minding your own business. Some guy yells out vulgar words about your body. Or when you see that guy at work that stands just a little too close, stares just a little too long, you feel uncomfortable in your own skin."

Obama said that the need to push back against Trump’s comments should transcend political party.

"This is disgraceful. It is intolerable,” she said. “Doesn't matter what party you belong to. No woman deserves to be treated this way. No one deserves this kind of abuse. I know it's a campaign, but this isn't about politics. It's about basic human decency. It's about right and wrong. We cannot endure this or expose our children to this for any longer. Not for another minute, let alone four years."

She went on to emphasize that the characterization of Trump's comments as “locker room” talk that’s normal for all men is disrespectful to men and boys.

"How is this affecting men and boys in this country? Because I can tell you that the men in my life do not talk about women like this,” Obama said. "I know my family is not unusual. To dismiss this every day locker room talk is an insult to decent men everywhere. The men that you and I know don't treat women this way. They are loving fathers sickened by the thought of their daughters being exposed to this kind of language about women. They are us fathers and brothers and sons who don't tolerate women being treated and demeaned. Like us, the men are worried about the impact this election is looking for boys, role models for what it means to be a man."

Obama channelled her comments into a push for votes for Hillary Clinton, saying she represents everything that Trump is not.

"We need someone who will heal the wounds that divide us,” she said. "Someone who truly cares about us and our children. Someone with strength and compassion to lead this country forward. I'm here today because I believe with all of my heart that Hillary Clinton will be that president."

YAS QUEEN :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 01:20:47 PM

 :tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 01:21:31 PM

Let's be fair to Rush Limbaugh, that may have just been the pills talking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 13, 2016, 01:34:07 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 11:39:23 AM

Apparently NBC was going to edit Bush out of the tape in the story they were doing, but they got beat to the punch.  :patel

They weren't beaten to the punch, they were the only ones with that material, they had a solid hold on the story, the timing of it, everything. For all we know, NBC says they were waiting until after the 2nd debate to release the story (perhaps to not weigh too heavily on the event), but even that is taking too much of a meddling stance on things.

The raw footage was leaked to the Washington Post, as in some dude there got an anonymous package in the mail. Perhaps the person who leaked it thought NBC was going to kill the story outright, and perhaps they would have, for whatever reasons. When people get bothered by 'the media', this shit is exactly why.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Trent Dole on October 13, 2016, 02:03:40 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 12:18:19 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/n3OsgVc.jpg?1)

SOME OF THEM WERE UNDERAGE YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE HOLY SHIT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2016, 02:09:51 PM

Dinesh is just mad cause unlike his alt-right conspiracy movie posited, Hillary isn't "stealing" the election or America. The GOP are handing it to her on a silver platter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Trent Dole on October 13, 2016, 02:12:56 PM

She is far from unbeatable, but a batshit asshat who directly says all the evil shit that they usually just code ain't gonna do the job.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 02:16:21 PM

Many years from now, when students read history books about the fall of the Republican Party, there will be a huge, fat asterisk about Donald Trump and how he was a turning point for the party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 02:21:24 PM

So my facebook page is full of mormons pulling for Evan McMullin or something. Saying that if they can stop either Trump or Killary from getting 270 it'll be a run off. You'd figure they'd have learned about disappointment by now. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 02:22:24 PM

Apparently Giuliani said today Clinton wants a single world government, and Trump said in his speech that she's conspiring with international bankers to undermine American sovereignty.

So we've officially moved to the ZOG portion of the campaign.  Cool.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 02:23:07 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 02:21:24 PM

So my facebook page is full of mormons pulling for Evan McMullin or something. Saying that if they can stop either Trump or Killary from getting 270 it'll be a run off. You'd figure they'd have learned about disappointment by now. :doge

So, like...then what? What's their endgame if neither Trump or Hillary is elected; Evan McMullin is sworn in?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Trent Dole on October 13, 2016, 02:24:36 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 02:22:24 PM

Apparently Giuliani said today Clinton wants a single world government, and Drumpf said in his speech that she's conspiring with international bankers to undermine American sovereignty.

So we've officially moved to the ZOG portion of the campaign.  Cool.

They're literally running the worst person possible for office and are desperately trying to somehow smear their opponent. :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 02:27:54 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 02:23:07 PM

So, like...then what? What's their endgame if neither Trump or Hillary is elected; Evan McMullin is sworn in?

If there's no EC majority, the House votes on it, picking from the top three finishers.

I guess the dream is McMullin carries Utah, neither major party candidate hits 270, the GOP keeps their House majority, and that majority gets behind McMullin and votes him in (even though almost nobody's endorsed him, and their own constituents would flip shit).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 02:33:02 PM

Uh, Utah... It's not that close.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Rufus on October 13, 2016, 02:35:55 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 12:14:24 PM

I am still legit triggered by that Rush Limbaugh thing. To me I don't care how kinky or disgusting a sex act is so long as it's consensual. If everyone is cool with it, do what you like. But the most vanilla thing even like holding hands or a cheek kiss is disgusting to me if there's not consent. It boggles my mind that people don't view it that way. I mean how could you possibly think otherwise?

I don't know enough about his views, but I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks marital rape to be an oxymoron.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 13, 2016, 02:38:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2016, 11:52:37 AM

If he was bragging...why didn't he leak that shit during the primary to help Jeb.
:dead

Nobody likes Jeb!, not even his own family.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 02:54:40 PM

Quote from: Rufus on October 13, 2016, 02:35:55 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 12:14:24 PM

I am still legit triggered by that Rush Limbaugh thing. To me I don't care how kinky or disgusting a sex act is so long as it's consensual. If everyone is cool with it, do what you like. But the most vanilla thing even like holding hands or a cheek kiss is disgusting to me if there's not consent. It boggles my mind that people don't view it that way. I mean how could you possibly think otherwise?

I don't know enough about his views, but I wouldn't be surprised if he thinks marital rape to be an oxymoron.

It's certainly the belief of his lawyer (http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2015/07/donald-trumps-lawyer-marital-rape-cannot-be-rape).

Quote

Michael Cohen, special counsel at The Trump Organization, defended his boss, saying, "You're talking about the front-runner for the GOP, presidential candidate, as well as private individual who never raped anybody. And, of course, understand that by the very definition, you can't rape your spouse."

(http://i.imgur.com/H8YN62D.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2016, 02:58:18 PM

I'm just glad there is pushback on the attempt to normalize Trump's comments on sexual assault. If he had simply said I want to fuck that chick...I'd laugh and that would be that. THAT is "locker room talk." But this dude literally said he wants to grab her pussy and it's ok because women let him do whatever he wants.

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 03:01:10 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-13/trump-said-to-block-campaign-s-requests-to-do-self-opposition-research

Good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 13, 2016, 03:22:11 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/10/megyn-kelly-forced-apologize-air-reading

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 13, 2016, 03:30:57 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2016, 02:58:18 PM

I'm just glad there is pushback on the attempt to normalize Trump's comments on sexual assault. If he had simply said I want to fuck that chick...I'd laugh and that would be that. THAT is "locker room talk." But this dude literally said he wants to grab her pussy and it's ok because women let him do whatever he wants.

It all goes back to consent, and whether it's central to the way people think about this stuff, right?

Notice how the people trying to defend or minimize those quotes ("locker room talk," "rappers say worse," etc.) are basically treating it like the problem is that he was being vulgar or crude, not that he was talking about touching women who didn't want to be touched.  It's crazy how many people don't see that, but think it's about using the word "pussy."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 13, 2016, 03:31:19 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-rally-west-palm-beach

Quote

"I would never grope that woman without consent. Not saying that's not a thing I do, but her? She's a 6 at best. AT BEST. I don't grope 6s. Sad!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 03:37:06 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 13, 2016, 03:22:11 PM

http://crooksandliars.com/2016/10/megyn-kelly-forced-apologize-air-reading

(http://i.imgur.com/aWZjTV2l.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 13, 2016, 03:42:28 PM

Some right-wing idiots were also trying to peddle a story about how Podesta and/or Hillary think certain immigrants [Muslims, Black people, Romas] are just inherently bad, but it turned out that the email in question was sent to Podesta from some random email account in, like, the Phillipines, and the same email had also been sent to HuffPo and other outlets.

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 13, 2016, 03:42:29 PM

See? Clearly doctored.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 03:46:28 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 13, 2016, 02:38:50 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 13, 2016, 11:52:37 AM

If he was bragging...why didn't he leak that shit during the primary to help Jeb.
:dead

Nobody likes Jeb!, not even his own family.

Jeb is a mess

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 13, 2016, 04:23:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 13, 2016, 12:13:28 PM

https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

 :lol

http://gizmodo.com/trump-supporters-claim-first-class-armrests-couldnt-mov-1787749381

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 04:32:49 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 13, 2016, 04:23:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 13, 2016, 12:13:28 PM

https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

 :lol

http://gizmodo.com/trump-supporters-claim-first-class-armrests-couldnt-mov-1787749381

Even if it couldn't move, they acting like an arm rest is some kind of force field or an impenetrable barrier rather than a minor inconvenience for Trump's groping appendages  :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 13, 2016, 04:53:19 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 04:32:49 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 13, 2016, 04:23:24 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 13, 2016, 12:13:28 PM

https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw (https://twitter.com/samesfandiari/status/786413510901104640?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

 :lol

http://gizmodo.com/trump-supporters-claim-first-class-armrests-couldnt-mov-1787749381

Even if it couldn't move, they acting like an arm rest is some kind of force field or an impenetrable barrier rather than a minor inconvenience for Trump's groping appendages  :dead

It is sad because they're not even talking about his behavior towards women to show he wouldn't do that but coming up with obtuse aviation factoids as an argument. And then it turns out the glove could fit!

My only hope is that there's also dirt showing how he treats old people but I'm sure Hillary wants to wait until the third debate has started before releasing anything more.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: zomgee on October 13, 2016, 05:32:08 PM

Cable news has turned into Reddit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 13, 2016, 06:05:19 PM

Trump's locker must be full of nudie mags

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 06:05:34 PM

SMOKING BOMBSHELL!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/wikileaks-uncover-murder-plot-podesta-documents-suggest-scalia-assassination/

Quote

Podesta writes, “Didn’t think wet works meant pool parties at the Vineyard.”

Elmendrof responds, “I am all in Sounds like it will be a bad nite , we all need to buckle up and double down”

‘Wet work” is slang for assassination.

*turns on the benji signal*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 13, 2016, 06:06:35 PM

lol k

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 13, 2016, 06:17:43 PM

I saw one trump supporter post a new story about how anonymous says that there's proof that Hillary doctored the Access Hollywood video and Hillary must not be elected because she's obviously a crook. I was like "Wait, I thought you were saying that it wasn't a big deal but now it's a big deal that Hillary supposedly said he said it?"
And unironically they were like "of course!"
 :mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: chronovore on October 13, 2016, 07:55:09 PM

One of my aunts has had a rough year. She's a little over 80 years old, and her mom was over 102 when she passed earlier this year. She also lost a grandchild and husband the previous year. So I'm all about cutting her as much slack as she needs.

But she's going full Trump train and is convinced that Hillary is some kind of psychotic, possessed creature. I mean, I even bought into the "Hillary is crooked" thing earlier in the campaign. I'm sure Hillary is, and her husband is, but I also believe it's part of politics-as-usual in the USA, and that she actually wants to help Americans; I believe she is trying to live a life of service, and that frequently means compromise. Trump on the other hand is actually directly involved with much shadier shit than an average politician, let alone his predatory sexual nature and his apparent pathological need to come out ahead in every single interaction.

Actually, I have several relatives who are backing Trump actively. The blog post David Wong wrote at Cracked (http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about_p2/) pretty well explains that side of my family, and how (despite being as-caucasian-as-can-be) they feel disenfranchised. To them, I'm the intellectual elite urbanite (how sad is that?) who wants to take away their guns (I just want responsible gun control) and votes for free government rides (welfare and state support tends to go more toward them than others). I'm unsympathetic to their plight.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 13, 2016, 08:15:23 PM

All you can do is offer love to them and feel sympathetic for them for holding such ignorant hatred

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 13, 2016, 09:26:43 PM

I read a bunch of her leaked Goldman speeches and it was 100% stuff I more or less agree with? guess I've gone full corporate sellout.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 11:40:18 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/tFGyxuRl.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 13, 2016, 11:47:56 PM

Literally caused parts of the world to spin apart? Impressively back on message with the campaign's newish Hillary-as-supreme-archdemon theme.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 13, 2016, 11:49:17 PM

Things fall apart, the centre cannot hold

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: tiesto on October 14, 2016, 12:07:37 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CusJ0VWWYAAnWUS.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: thisismyusername on October 14, 2016, 12:14:26 AM

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Oblivion on October 14, 2016, 03:47:24 AM

Quote from: tiesto on October 14, 2016, 12:07:37 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CusJ0VWWYAAnWUS.jpg)

Ugh, no thank you.  :kobeyuck

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Nice rack, though.  :larry

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 14, 2016, 06:29:15 AM

tfw lisa sparx hates black dudes now :mouf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 14, 2016, 09:05:33 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cuuczs4XEAAZqnj.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 09:15:22 AM

Ken Bone is trending on Facebook again, apparently he forgot to clean up his reddit posts and his pro-Zimmerman posts and posts about his porn preferences are still up  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2016, 09:54:13 AM

Quote

"Before the day is out there will be more evidence publicly that shows and calls into question these latest allegations," Pence said on CBS' "This Morning."

(http://i.imgur.com/rxCQ4SE.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 14, 2016, 10:00:39 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 09:15:22 AM

Ken Bone is trending on Facebook again, apparently he forgot to clean up his reddit posts and his pro-Zimmerman posts and posts about his porn preferences are still up  :lol

http://gizmodo.com/ken-bone-forgot-to-delete-his-porn-comments-1787780939

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 10:06:06 AM

Who didn't see this happening...although I figured it would be questionable waifu porn or kid shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 14, 2016, 10:15:12 AM

Beautiful human submarines

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2016, 10:17:54 AM

None of that is really bad - just embarrassing.  And while I think he's wrong on the Trayvon Martin analysis he's not being a 2A thumping moron about it.  He just seems to have had the opinion that under Florida law it was "justified" and the justice system seemed to agree (incorrectly IMO). 

Who the fuck would want to go from being a normal person to famous?  Could you imagine the shit they could pull from The Bore on any of us?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 14, 2016, 10:18:32 AM

Quote from: helios on October 14, 2016, 10:15:12 AM

Beautiful human submarines

AKA human centipede with a snorkel. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

Just let the man look at preggo porn in peace, geez.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2016, 10:36:05 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 14, 2016, 10:22:02 AM

Just let the man look at preggo porn in peace, geez.

I'll take some lactation over preggo porn.  Mmmmmm.  milk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 14, 2016, 10:43:32 AM

Quote from: helios on October 14, 2016, 09:05:33 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cuuczs4XEAAZqnj.jpg:large)

(http://i.imgur.com/yyvDjEQ.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 14, 2016, 11:08:11 AM

http://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2016/10/fla-early-ballots-and-voter-registration-numbers-show-democrats-surging-in-fla-106392

Quote

The numbers underscore how much stronger Clinton’s ground game is in Florida and how weak the Republican National Committee’s is on behalf of Donald Trump, longtime Florida political consultants say. If Trump loses Florida, he can’t win the White House. And polls already show that Clinton is starting to move farther ahead of the Republican in Florida.
Just two months ago, RNC spokesman Sean Spicer was claiming the opposite about the GOP’s strength when he wrote a memo that accused Democrats of “sleight of hand” in boasting about their superior number of field offices.
“The Clinton camp knows that the Trump campaign and the RNC’s combined efforts are outpacing their field organization, and their touting how many offices they have cannot cover up the fact they lag behind our effort in organizers, volunteers, and voter registration in key states,” Spicer wrote.
Longtime Florida Republican consultant Rick Wilson — a leading critic of Trump within the party — scoffed at Spicer’s memo in light of the voter-registration and absentee-ballot numbers.
“They’re lying sacks of shit,” Wilson said. “There is no real Republican ground game in Florida. There wasn’t then when he wrote this memo. And there really isn’t now.”

I sent in my ballot last week.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2016, 12:10:54 PM

http://deadspin.com/curt-schilling-ties-himself-in-knots-defending-donald-t-1787764072

"I have a daughter, my daughter has friends. I’ve seen my daughter’s friends, I’m a man—wow she’s a beautiful young lady. I don’t immediately jump to molesting her."

:fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 14, 2016, 12:29:04 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-women-harrassment-workforce_us_5800b9bbe4b0162c043b532e?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

Quote

Donald Trump Jr. :“You should go maybe teach kindergarten,” he said, apparently suggesting that teachers aren’t part of the workforce. “You can’t be negotiating billion-dollar deals if you can’t handle, like, you know.”

I'll admit I haven't negotiated billion-dollar deals myself, but multi-millions for sure and there's never been one iota of sexual harassment in ANY of those deals, nor was it expected as a matter of course. I have worked on these deals with some pretty skeezy men, some that are flat out pervs or cheat on their wives or are known to get prostitutes. Yet, in each of these, even those guys acted professional and did their job.  Just what world do these people live in that they're like "It happens, what are you going to do?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mupepe on October 14, 2016, 12:36:53 PM

You just don't have a real job, puppy.  In real companies a woman should expect to have her ass slapped on a daily basis and be rated on a scale of 1 to 10.  That's just the real world.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2016, 12:37:21 PM

Trump Jr. is very nearly as sleazy as his old man.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 14, 2016, 12:43:51 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 14, 2016, 12:10:54 PM

http://deadspin.com/curt-schilling-ties-himself-in-knots-defending-donald-t-1787764072

"I have a daughter, my daughter has friends. I’ve seen my daughter’s friends, I’m a man—wow she’s a beautiful young lady. I don’t immediately jump to molesting her."

:fbm

The many faces of Curt Schilling's shifting public persona.  From Red Sox hero to failed video game developer to deranged conservative bigot, it has been fascinating to watch  :lol

Makes you wonder what % of otherwise beloved sports celebs and famous people are maintaining a veneer of normalcy to cover up the crazy underneath  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 12:54:43 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 14, 2016, 12:29:04 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-jr-women-harrassment-workforce_us_5800b9bbe4b0162c043b532e?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063

Quote

Donald Trump Jr. :“You should go maybe teach kindergarten,” he said, apparently suggesting that teachers aren’t part of the workforce. “You can’t be negotiating billion-dollar deals if you can’t handle, like, you know.”

I'll admit I haven't negotiated billion-dollar deals myself, but multi-millions for sure and there's never been one iota of sexual harassment in ANY of those deals, nor was it expected as a matter of course. I have worked on these deals with some pretty skeezy men, some that are flat out pervs or cheat on their wives or are known to get prostitutes. Yet, in each of these, even those guys acted professional and did their job.  Just what world do these people live in that they're like "It happens, what are you going to do?"

I've heard plenty of "you're looking good today/thank you darling/etc." I get the impression he's piling that in the same group as blatant sexual assault. That's not to say I'm suggesting calling women in the workplace darling is cool, just that there are levels to this shit and surely discussing sexual assault is worse than that and also something you wouldn't hear in most business settings.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 14, 2016, 12:57:01 PM

I have noticed that kind of thing seems more prevalent east coast whereas you don't hear that kind of stuff often west coast. Maybe it's just the industry circles I run in though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 01:00:22 PM

Perhaps. I'm mainly referring to accounting firms. But from what I've seen from afar/heard...finance guys are straight savage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 01:01:46 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 14, 2016, 10:17:54 AM

None of that is really bad - just embarrassing.  And while I think he's wrong on the Trayvon Martin analysis he's not being a 2A thumping moron about it.  He just seems to have had the opinion that under Florida law it was "justified" and the justice system seemed to agree (incorrectly IMO). 

Who the fuck would want to go from being a normal person to famous?  Could you imagine the shit they could pull from The Bore on any of us?

True, he said that Zimmerman was a bad seed. GAF is all crucify Ken tho :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 01:35:07 PM

http://www.traitorstotrump.com/traitors

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 14, 2016, 01:48:53 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 01:35:07 PM

http://www.traitorstotrump.com/traitors

From the bottom of the page

Quote

Despite its impressive length, it's a nimble navigator, and some can be highly venomous
Just like the tarantula it's killing, the centipede has two curved, hollow fangs that inject paralyzing venom
This centipede is a predator

:wtf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 14, 2016, 02:17:45 PM

Have you all seen Braindead?

Its on Amazon Prime.

Best political show since....ever? Makes House of Cards feel like Rugrats in comparison

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 14, 2016, 03:01:27 PM

Trump going ham on CNN right now. I don't know these bitches, why don't they accuse obama, also hillary controls the banks with the jews in the illuminati

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2016, 03:08:11 PM

Quote from: james on October 14, 2016, 02:17:45 PM

Have you all seen Braindead?

Its on Amazon Prime.

Best political show since....ever? Makes House of Cards feel like Rugrats in comparison

Wait, Dead Alive is political?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2016, 03:12:19 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/nyc-audit-finds-donald-trump-donations-911-months/story?id=42801444

Class act.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 14, 2016, 03:14:25 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 14, 2016, 03:08:11 PM

Quote from: james on October 14, 2016, 02:17:45 PM

Have you all seen Braindead?

Its on Amazon Prime.

Best political show since....ever? Makes House of Cards feel like Rugrats in comparison

Wait, Dead Alive is political?

2016 TV series

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 03:29:29 PM

A former Aprentice contestant just had a press conference detailing Trump sexually harassing her. Much more graphic than previous accusations.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 03:30:51 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-asks-why-no-sexual-assault-allegations-against-obama

:obama because I don't sexually assault women, dummy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 14, 2016, 03:37:37 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 03:29:29 PM

A former Aprentice contestant just had a press conference detailing Trump sexually harassing her. Much more graphic than previous accusations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/57hya5/gloria_allred_press_conference_on_donald_trump/d8s3lht

:neo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 14, 2016, 03:48:04 PM

What a time to be alive, brehs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 14, 2016, 03:48:32 PM

https://youtu.be/LgwCVQdW1HM?t=11s

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 03:49:01 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 14, 2016, 03:43:06 PM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on October 14, 2016, 03:37:37 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 03:29:29 PM

A former Aprentice contestant just had a press conference detailing Trump sexually harassing her. Much more graphic than previous accusations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/57hya5/gloria_allred_press_conference_on_donald_trump/d8s3lht

:neo

holy shit

take utah hillary, it's yours

Why Utah, specifically?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 03:49:13 PM

"asked her to hide while waiter delivered dinner. She tried to talk business and job offers. Gave her debt advice on dealing with her home mortgage, told her to default."

of course  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Steve Contra on October 14, 2016, 03:50:24 PM

http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/10/14/donald-trump-accused-of-being-a-hanzo-main-by-overwatch-super-pac-billboard/#183d69fc7143 (http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2016/10/14/donald-trump-accused-of-being-a-hanzo-main-by-overwatch-super-pac-billboard/#183d69fc7143)

(http://blogs-images.forbes.com/insertcoin/files/2016/10/trump-billboard-1200x675.jpg?width=960)

 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 14, 2016, 03:53:58 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 03:49:01 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 14, 2016, 03:43:06 PM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on October 14, 2016, 03:37:37 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 03:29:29 PM

A former Aprentice contestant just had a press conference detailing Trump sexually harassing her. Much more graphic than previous accusations.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/57hya5/gloria_allred_press_conference_on_donald_trump/d8s3lht

:neo

holy shit

take utah hillary, it's yours

Why Utah, specifically?

Because Utah is insanely republican but hates sexual assault by a person in power

spoiler (click to show/hide)

unless its done in the name of god

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 04:13:26 PM

I was listening to the Trump rally on cnn on my way home from work. It really is one of the most vile speeches he's made yet. The whole "why hasn't anyone accused Obama" thing is literally putting ideas in people's heads. With their campaign's scorched earth strategy, I wouldn't be surprised some kind of stunt like that..

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 04:17:41 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 04:13:26 PM

I was listening to the Trump rally on cnn on my way home from work. It really is one of the most vile speeches he's made yet. The whole "why hasn't anyone accused Obama" thing is literally putting ideas in people's heads. With their campaign's scorched earth strategy, I wouldn't be surprised some kind of stunt like that..

meh. It's not like he can magically produce women who were in private vicinity of the president of the United States. Likewise even if it's someone who claims it happened years ago, again it has to be someone who has known or met him.

Barry O too clean to take down with fuckery like this tho
:obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 04:21:47 PM

There are enough crazies out there to make anything up. Sure, it wouldn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny, but it would be enough for Trump's distinguished mentally-challenged fanboys to latch on to.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 14, 2016, 04:22:54 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 03:49:01 PM

Why Utah, specifically?

Sex outside of marriage is still illegal there,

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 14, 2016, 04:57:20 PM

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/gop-reportedly-tries-to-intimidate-voters-with-creepy-mailer/
(http://i.imgur.com/U4qkaw8.jpg?1)

:cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Boredfrom on October 14, 2016, 05:24:21 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 04:21:47 PM

There are enough crazies out there to make anything up. Sure, it wouldn't hold up under the slightest scrutiny, but it would be enough for Trump's distinguished mentally-challenged fanboys to latch on to.

Well, Trump plan was making Bill Clinton look like Bill Cosby before he becomed white Cosby, so he is probably trying to search for anyone that can lech on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 05:27:05 PM

Lmao. A female Trump surrogate just said "I can't have empathy because I've never been in the situation these women have been in"

 :lol :ufup :dead :mindblown :snoop :goty2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 14, 2016, 06:05:12 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 05:27:05 PM

Lmao. A female Trump surrogate just said "I can't have empathy because I've never been in the situation these women have been in"

 :lol :ufup :dead :mindblown :snoop :goty2

I don't think Pierson or Conway ever tried to show human emotion to be honest. And I can't blame them since they're probably just doing this for the paycheck and telling themselves that they're like a neocon Robin Hood.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 07:01:49 PM

https://twitter.com/KellyannePolls/status/787045742900875265

what a time, brehs. what a time

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 07:07:30 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 14, 2016, 06:05:12 PM

I don't think Pierson or Conway ever tried to show human emotion to be honest. And I can't blame them since they're probably just doing this for the paycheck and telling themselves that they're like a neocon Robin Hood.

It wasn't one of those two. It was one of his campaign staffers that was also a contestant on The Apprentice (not Omarosa), I didn't catch her name.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: thisismyusername on October 14, 2016, 07:36:31 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 14, 2016, 12:43:51 PM

Makes you wonder what % of otherwise beloved sports celebs and famous people are maintaining a veneer of normalcy to cover up the crazy underneath  :doge

:hitler @ A_I_A?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 14, 2016, 08:22:09 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-campaign-provides-anthony-gilberthorpe

After claiming to have proof that multiple accusations of sexual misconduct against their candidate were fabricated, the Trump campaign on Friday provided the New York Post with a colorful British witness to dispute one woman's allegation that Trump groped her on a plane in the early ‘80s.

The New York Post reported that Anthony Gilberthorpe “has no evidence to back up his claim—just his self-described excellent memory.”

Yet the Trump campaign told the Post that Gilberthorpe's experience in the first class cabin of an airliner in 1980 or 1981—Gilberthorpe couldn’t remember which—serves as proof that Trump did not grope Leeds. Gilberthorpe, 54, would have been 17 or 18 years old at the time.

“I have only met this accuser once and frankly cannot imagine why she is seeking to make out that Trump made sexual advances on her. Not only did he not do so (and I was present at all times) but it was she that was the one being flirtatious,” Gilberthorpe said in a note provided to The Post by the Trump campaign.

Gilberthorpe further claimed Leeds was “trying too hard” to win Trump’s attention.

“She wanted to marry him,” he said, according to the Post.

Quote

The Post noted that Gilberthorpe, a former Tory Party activist, made news as a whistleblower in 2014. He claimed that, as a 17-year-old, he “procured” boys, some of whom he said may have been underage, for sex parties with high-ranking British politicians. When Gilberthorpe came forward in 2014, most of the officials he accused of soliciting boys were already dead, and a former minister dismissed his claims, saying that Gilberthorpe had invented the story after his own political career failed to take off, according to the Daily Mail.

Gilberthorpe was also the alleged tipster behind a sex scandal that led to the downfall of conservative British parliamentarian Piers Merchant’s career. Merchant, after he resigned, accused Gilberthorpe of setting up his affair with a 17-year-old hostess and leaking news of it to the Sunday Mirror, a British tabloid, in exchange for £25,000.

 :cmonson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: toku on October 14, 2016, 08:55:47 PM

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/787063275771101184

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Boogie on October 14, 2016, 08:58:57 PM

Quote from: toku on October 14, 2016, 08:55:47 PM

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/787063275771101184

Is it odd for it to be the CIA conducting a cyber attack on Russia, and not the NSA?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: zomgee on October 14, 2016, 09:02:15 PM

Quote from: toku on October 14, 2016, 08:55:47 PM

https://twitter.com/NBCNightlyNews/status/787063275771101184

Cyber activists hacking cyber doors.

Beeping letters on screen.

What year is it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 09:05:30 PM

But Donald Trump said the US is terrible at cyber?  ???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2016, 09:34:03 PM

Quote from: https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/786610630581161984

The "locker room" line has made me feel personal discomfort. Feeling like women look at me and assume I've been part of that kind of convo.

:fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 09:35:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 14, 2016, 09:34:03 PM

Quote from: https://twitter.com/jonathanchait/status/786610630581161984

The "locker room" line has made me feel personal discomfort. Feeling like women look at me and assume I've been part of that kind of convo.

:fbm

#notalllockermen

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 14, 2016, 09:42:43 PM

Alright, little help all.

I know that the concern troll "Brexit polls had it that Leave was winning, so Trump will still probably win just like what happened in the UK" is bullshit...but can someone detail out for me why?  Wanna ease the mind of my parents.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 14, 2016, 09:46:07 PM

US polls have predicted the winners of every presidential election in recent years?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 09:47:42 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 14, 2016, 09:42:43 PM

Alright, little help all.

I know that the concern troll "Brexit polls had it that Leave was winning, so Trump will still probably win just like what happened in the UK" is bullshit...but can someone detail out for me why?  Wanna ease the mind of my parents.

% of voters who were white in the British election vs % of voters who will be white in 2016 election

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 14, 2016, 09:48:23 PM

I keep telling them to pay attention to Silver's stats and Sam Wang's percentages, but that still doesn't calm their minds when they see Trump up in Ohio by 1 point.

There's evidence to disprove the whole "I'm-voting-for-Trump-but-I-don't-want-to-say-so-in-polls" bullshit, right?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 09:56:53 PM

They know about the electoral college? Show them PA polls and basically tell them without PA, Trump has no path to 270. And he has never led in a PA poll, and in fact is down there by nearly double digits.

Trump could win Ohio. It's not going to matter, just as Romney could have won Ohio in 2012.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2016, 10:04:43 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 14, 2016, 09:56:53 PM

They know about the electoral college? Show them PA polls and basically tell them without PA, Trump has no path to 270. And he has never led in a PA poll, and in fact is down there by nearly double digits.

Trump could win Ohio. It's not going to matter, just as Romney could have won Ohio in 2012.

You're ignoring retroactive election night momentum, if Trump wins Ohio that will turn out his voters in previous states while depressing Hillary's.

Remember, the normal rules don't apply to this election because.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2016, 10:19:03 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 14, 2016, 09:42:43 PM

Alright, little help all.

I know that the concern troll "Brexit polls had it that Leave was winning, so Trump will still probably win just like what happened in the UK" is bullshit...but can someone detail out for me why?  Wanna ease the mind of my parents.

Hillary is winning pretty much every single battleground state by a huge lead. To put it another way: (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/13/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-swing-state-polls-2016-election/)

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According to CNN's latest battleground map, Trump would need to win one of these states -- Michigan, Wisconsin, or Pennsylvania -- to get more than the 270 electoral votes needed for victory, even if he also captured Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Iowa, Nevada, and every other state Mitt Romney won in 2012.

Every single state listed here is polling for Hillary. Every single one. Hillary is up by 9 in MI, 8 in WI, and 7 in PA. Her lead in the swing states is smaller, but think about it - Trump doesn't need to win one or two of them, he needs all of them to even have a chance.

With less than a month left, it's almost insurmountable. I want her to have a landslide victory though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2016, 10:27:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 14, 2016, 09:48:23 PM

I keep telling them to pay attention to Silver's stats and Sam Wang's percentages, but that still doesn't calm their minds when they see Trump up in Ohio by 1 point.

There's evidence to disprove the whole "I'm-voting-for-Trump-but-I-don't-want-to-say-so-in-polls" bullshit, right?

If they won't accept polls then there's no arguing with them. Batten down the hatches and wait 26 days and practice your best "Told you so" face.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2016, 10:33:01 PM

What are election results but really expensive polls run by the government that we rely on the Trump smearing media to report accurately. Wake up.

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Post by: Boogie on October 14, 2016, 10:59:21 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 14, 2016, 09:42:43 PM

Alright, little help all.

I know that the concern troll "Brexit polls had it that Leave was winning, so Trump will still probably win just like what happened in the UK" is bullshit...but can someone detail out for me why?  Wanna ease the mind of my parents.

Because American polling is the gold standard of the industry, and in comparison, Canadian and British isn't quite as good?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Boogie on October 14, 2016, 11:02:56 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 14, 2016, 10:27:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 14, 2016, 09:48:23 PM

I keep telling them to pay attention to Silver's stats and Sam Wang's percentages, but that still doesn't calm their minds when they see Trump up in Ohio by 1 point.

There's evidence to disprove the whole "I'm-voting-for-Trump-but-I-don't-want-to-say-so-in-polls" bullshit, right?

If they won't accept polls then there's no arguing with them. Batten down the hatches and wait 26 days and practice your best "Told you so" face.

Well, that too.

I have a couple of contrarian coworkers who won't shut up about how Trump is going to win.

So I threw a $50 bet down on the election.

I may have been a tiny bit nervous before the first debate, but now I'm like "easiest $50 I ever made  :smug "

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 14, 2016, 11:22:47 PM

Please stop corrupting our elections using your foreign money.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2016, 12:05:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTxQn6S4BKI

:whew

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Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2016, 06:28:26 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/14/opinion/burning-down-the-house.html

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Every sexual predator now has a defender at the top of the Republican ticket. The most remarkable thing about last Sunday’s debate was Anderson Cooper having to school a 70-year-old man on workplace taboos that most of us learn on our first job.

“You described kissing women without consent, grabbing their genitals,” said Cooper. “That is sexual assault. You bragged that you have sexually assaulted women. Do you understand that?”

What you heard was the lecture the human resources director gives just before saying, “You’re fired.” Trump could not get hired at the drive-through window at a Jack in the Box. Knowing about his history would make any employer liable. It took decades to get the workplace to that point where Trumpian predators are shunned. Given the biggest pulpit in the world, Trump is trying to bring that consensus down.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: zomgee on October 15, 2016, 09:48:43 AM

(((Reality)))

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2016, 03:41:26 PM

Trump’s supporters talk rebellion, assassination at his rallies (http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2016/10/15/donald-trump-warnings-conspiracy-rig-election-are-stoking-anger-among-his-followers/LcCY6e0QOcfH8VdeK9UdsM/story.html)

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“If she’s in office, I hope we can start a coup. She should be in prison or shot. That’s how I feel about it,” Dan Bowman, a 50-year-old contractor, said of Hillary Clinton, the Democratic nominee. “We’re going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that’s what it takes. There’s going to be a lot of bloodshed. But that’s what it’s going to take. . . . I would do whatever I can for my country.”

He then placed a Trump mask on his face and posed for pictures.

...

“Trump said to watch your precincts. I’m going to go, for sure,” said Steve Webb, a 61-year-old carpenter from Fairfield, Ohio.

“I’ll look for . . . well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American,” he said. “I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

 :kobeyuck

Would love to see a bunch of 50-60 year white dudes with beer bellies try to stage a coup against the US military. :neogaf

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2016, 04:04:42 PM

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I would do whatever I can for my country.

*posts furiously on the comment section of Infowars*

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2016, 05:57:12 PM

I'm just glad enough of them genuinely think Trump can/will win. The schadenfreude on election night will be :lawd
 

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Post by: Trent Dole on October 15, 2016, 06:34:02 PM

THERE IS NO VIABLE PATH TO 270 FOR THE DON AND THERE NEVER. HAS. BEEN. EVER.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2016, 07:23:43 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on October 15, 2016, 06:34:02 PM

THERE IS NO VIABLE PATH TO 270 FOR THE DON AND THERE NEVER. HAS. BEEN. EVER.

Nah breh shit is rigged. Hillary should be in prison and the biased media isn't reporting the right polls and is only reporting the wrong ones.

TRUMP THAT BITCH 2016

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 15, 2016, 07:33:59 PM

http://www.redstate.com/uploads/2016/10/image1-620x790.jpg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 15, 2016, 07:36:10 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 15, 2016, 12:05:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTxQn6S4BKI

:whew

Trump is just taking the lyrics of "Let's Get distinguished mentally-challenged" to heart.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Trent Dole on October 15, 2016, 08:01:13 PM

:dead

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2016, 09:41:45 PM

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"At the beginning of her last debate, she was all pumped at the beginning, but at the end she was all 'take me down.' She could barely reach her car," Trump said at an event in New Hampshire, erroneously linking the debate to a previous health episode Clinton had on September 11. "I think we should take a drug test. Anyway, I'm willing to do it."

"We're like athletes, but athletes, they make them take a drug test. We should take a drug test," he said. "I think we should take a drug test prior to the debate because I don't know what's going on with her."

Hillary was on debate steroids, she should have her debate wins stripped from her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 15, 2016, 10:26:47 PM

That made me go from laughing at the thought of him being on drugs Hitler-style to actually wondering about it.

Winners don't do drugs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 15, 2016, 10:29:09 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/787471830349180932

follow this man for fuckery on election night

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Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2016, 10:38:40 PM

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a49621/virginia-trump-fan-gun-office/

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The protester, Daniel Parks, says that he hopes his protest encourages other Trump supporters to stand up for what they believe in. "I'm just trying to provide a voice for someone who might be a closet supporter of Trump. Other people who are a little worried to speak out because of possible persecution," he said. Parks stood outside the offices for almost 12 hours. Dittmar volunteers say that the protest was disturbing. "If he wants to support his candidate that's fine, but don't come here and stare into the office all day," said Su Wolff, a Fluvanna County resident and Dittmar volunteer. Parks was eventually joined by another protester, and Wolff said that the most troubling part of the protest was that both of them started to expose their firearms. "He turned sideways to be sure that we would see that he has an open carry gun, which is legal, and is fine, but it's intimidating," she said.

So, what's the deal here? Is Virginia a "stand your ground" state?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mupepe on October 15, 2016, 10:44:31 PM

As a guy that carries a gun almost everywhere, I find the people who make sure you know they have a gun really fucking weird.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 15, 2016, 11:29:29 PM

For some guys it's not enough to just own a love pillow, they want to take it out on dates too.

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 15, 2016, 11:47:14 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 15, 2016, 10:44:31 PM

I find the people who make sure you know they have a gun really fucking weird.

It's the new gay. I get it. I know. I don't need to be reminded every 15 minutes of your lifestyle choice. Just trying to have a conversation.

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 16, 2016, 12:02:15 AM

and here I thought they were just broadcasting to the world their tiny-penis-having status.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 16, 2016, 12:13:58 AM

Mother Jones has put together a nice little timeline showing how Trump does business:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/how-donald-trump-destroyed-his-empire-and-dumped-ruins-others-timeline

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Post by: Tasty on October 16, 2016, 01:05:48 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 15, 2016, 11:47:14 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 15, 2016, 10:44:31 PM

I find the people who make sure you know they have a gun really fucking weird.

It's the new gay. I get it. I know. I don't need to be reminded every 15 minutes of your lifestyle choice. Just trying to have a conversation.

🤔

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 16, 2016, 03:11:04 AM

Remember when AiA used to post in this thread fam

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 16, 2016, 03:12:56 AM

He must be keeping sober recently.

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Post by: VomKriege on October 16, 2016, 05:45:10 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 16, 2016, 03:12:56 AM

He must be keeping sober recently.

Unlike Killary.

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"We should take a drug test prior to the debate because I don't know what's going on with her. But at the beginning of her last debate, she was all pumped up at the beginning. And at the end … she could barely reach her car"

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Post by: helios on October 16, 2016, 11:29:52 AM

(https://a.hrc.onl/secretary/img/soc/hillary-subway-card.gif)

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/404.php

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2016, 12:25:39 PM

:lol

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Post by: agrajag on October 16, 2016, 02:29:26 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220288053&postcount=56

Let's not act like the left wasn't trying to deligitimize the electoral process during the primaries. The complaints from the Trump camp sound almost verbatim from what Sander's supporters were saying. Rigged elections, voter fraud, media bias, corruption, etc. They got quite nasty with verbal abuse and threats as well.

Funny how Clinton will have defeated a Left wing and Right wing populist over the course of one election. :doge

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 16, 2016, 04:48:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhpHp31ozxQ

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-baldwin-snl-tweet_us_58036193e4b0162c043c7692?section=

:lol

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Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2016, 05:58:14 PM

finally the election analysis we've all been waiting for
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgUqgM3euC8

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Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2016, 06:10:07 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 16, 2016, 04:48:16 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhpHp31ozxQ
 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhpHp31ozxQ)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-baldwin-snl-tweet_us_58036193e4b0162c043c7692?section=

:lol

plz recut to have this as the music after their intros:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Rl46Dpy-P4

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Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2016, 09:23:14 PM

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Democratic strategist David Axelrod on Saturday suggested that Hillary Clinton skip her third and final presidential debate with Donald Trump.

The former White House adviser to President Obama responded to Trump's call for a drug test before his next debate with Clinton later this month.

"You have to wonder if @HillaryClinton will/should reconsider next debate, given the depths to which this has sunk," Axelrod tweeted.

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"I'm sorry, dead people generally vote for Democrats rather than Republicans," the former New York City mayor told CNN's Jake Tapper on "State of the Union." "You want me to (say) that I think the election in Philadelphia and Chicago is going to be fair? I would have to be a moron to say that."

But he did say the amount of cheating would only impact extremely close races -- noting, for example, if either Trump or Hillary Clinton won Pennsylvania by "5 points," the cheating he alleges would occur would be negligible and not change the outcome.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2016, 09:34:50 PM

(http://img.wennermedia.com/620-width/trump-failure-with-election-tiabbi-9c70ec25-6cc4-4eb8-bc9e-d6e85c0260b7.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: daycru on October 16, 2016, 10:47:27 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 16, 2016, 02:29:26 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220288053&postcount=56

Let's not act like the left wasn't trying to deligitimize the electoral process during the primaries. The complaints from the Trump camp sound almost verbatim from what Sander's supporters were saying. Rigged elections, voter fraud, media bias, corruption, etc. They got quite nasty with verbal abuse and threats as well.

Funny how Clinton will have defeated a Left wing and Right wing populist over the course of one election. :doge

The Sanders stuff were systemic complaints. Hillary starting off with a zillion vote lead via super delegates is a hell of a hole. That's not exactly the same as alleging the machines are rigged or requesting that posses are round up to "keep an eye on certain communities."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2016, 10:50:10 PM

Quote from: daycru on October 16, 2016, 10:47:27 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 16, 2016, 02:29:26 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=220288053&postcount=56

Let's not act like the left wasn't trying to deligitimize the electoral process during the primaries. The complaints from the Trump camp sound almost verbatim from what Sander's supporters were saying. Rigged elections, voter fraud, media bias, corruption, etc. They got quite nasty with verbal abuse and threats as well.

Funny how Clinton will have defeated a Left wing and Right wing populist over the course of one election. :doge

The Sanders stuff were systemic complaints. Hillary starting off with a zillion vote lead via super delegates is a hell of a hole. That's not exactly the same as alleging the machines are rigged or requesting that posses are round up to "keep an eye on certain communities."

There was plenty of that also. All you had to do was go to reddit and the worst of bernie fans were just as bad as what Trump is saying. I'm not saying Bernie himself ever said any of this. But the hardcore warriors were rife with this shit is rigged. And not on a systemic level. On a literal they are stealing votes level.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/4nzzn6/election_fraud_study_authors_respond_to_clinton/

Democrats in general were pretty bad for this line of argument after the legit outcry over the bullshit way Florida voting occurred in 2000.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 16, 2016, 11:35:38 PM

that was a GAF post

 :yeshrug

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Post by: Stoney Mason on October 17, 2016, 12:07:11 AM

I see. I didn't click it before

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Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:17:22 AM

That was a litmus test for who clicks on links or not.  :doge

But honestly, the DNC was trying to bury Sanders, there's evidence.

I just posted that quote because it's funny to me that some Yassss Queen acolytes are still hanging on to their vitriol against Sanders, even after he endorsed Hilary and everything. Get the fuck over it.

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Post by: Mandark on October 17, 2016, 12:35:30 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:17:22 AM

But honestly, the DNC was trying to bury Sanders, there's evidence.

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:17:22 AM

Get the fuck over it.

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Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:03 AM

Bruh, I am over it. I'm voting for Hillary. It's like you read my post but nothing registered.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on October 17, 2016, 12:51:28 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2016, 10:50:10 PM

the worst of bernie fans were just as bad as what Trump is saying

I think a lot of the shittest Bernie fans are now Trump supporters.  They were anti-Hillary from the start and didn't care what vehicle got them to the "Anyone but Clinton" parade

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Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:55:46 AM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 17, 2016, 12:51:28 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 16, 2016, 10:50:10 PM

the worst of bernie fans were just as bad as what Trump is saying

I think a lot of the shittest Bernie fans are now Trump supporters.  They were anti-Hillary from the start and didn't care what vehicle got them to the "Anyone but Clinton" parade

So those people were never going to vote for Hillary no matter what. Time to stop wasting energy on them, perhaps?

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Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 12:56:53 AM

Bernie Bros were bad but they believed in a pretty good idea for the future of America.

I can not say the same of Trump supporters.

I agree that the bottom-of-the-barrel Bernie-or-busters may now be on the Trump side and saying the exact same things as during the primary, but it's likely a very small minority of those in the Bernie camp. Most of them have certainly come around by this point. #StrongerTogether

As for the allegations of the DNC rigging the primary, none of the leaked emails can be substantially proven to have influenced the election for either candidate. Sanders faced an uphill battle from the start and collapsed on Super Tuesday II on his own strengths and weaknesses. It's also not rocket science to see why the DNC would favor a lifelong Democrat who donates substantially downticket to a stingy independent who only converted recently for pragmatic reasons.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 01:01:29 AM

Quote from: daycru on October 16, 2016, 10:47:27 PM

The Sanders stuff were systemic complaints. Hillary starting off with a zillion vote lead via super delegates is a hell of a hole. That's not exactly the same as alleging the machines are rigged or requesting that posses are round up to "keep an eye on certain communities."

And yet somehow Obama was able to face a similar deficit and come out on top. It's pretty clear that the loudest whiners about superdelegates during this year's primary were facing their first election ever and had no idea how the primary system worked.

The lack of superdelegates on the RNC side also led to the nomination of Trump, so I'm not convinced they're an absolute evil that should be abolished.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 01:04:41 AM

this really needs to be posted over and over again

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But a whopping 85 percent of Sanders supporters said they’ll get behind Mrs. Clinton — putting her well ahead of pace compared to 2008, when less than 70 percent of her supporters were prepared to back then-candidate Barack Obama in June, after their bitter primary.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/10/bernie-sanders-supporters-outpace-candidate-in-jum/

Those dumbass Bernie bros.. :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 17, 2016, 01:10:15 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 17, 2016, 12:56:53 AM

I agree that the bottom-of-the-barrel Bernie-or-busters may now be on the Trump side and saying the exact same things as during the primary, but it's likely a very small minority of those in the Bernie camp. Most of them have certainly come around by this point. #StrongerTogether.

Agreed.  I'm more referring to the very vocal group online, a lot of which had probably never voted before.  The dudes harassing people on social media and were accusing minorities of not know what is best for them types.

The number of registered democrats jumping ship for Trump has got to be pretty small.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 01:21:20 AM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/former-miss-teen-usa-i-was-told-trump-doesnt-like-black-people_us_57ff5682e4b0162c043a0b95

Surprise of the year  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 01:50:02 AM

The GOP does have superdelegate equivalents. It's just a smaller proportion of the total delegates and some of them are bound to the state winner on the first ballot. 15% of DNC delegates are superdelegates, it's like 1% of RNC.

The Democrats are moving in that direction however, as this was part of the Convention compromise (the Sanders people wanted to eliminate them completely):

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Under the reform package, in future Democratic Conventions, about two-thirds of superdelegates would be bound to the results of state primaries and caucuses. The remaining one-third – Members of Congress, Governors, and distinguished party leaders – would remain unpledged and free to support the candidate of their choice.

Superdelegates like the DNC's couldn't have stopped Trump, he got a first ballot superdupermajority, 70% of the delegates. By the time the primaries were over he was already at nearly 60%. He even got 45% of the popular vote.

The problem would have been the same problem that the GOP faced in 2012 as well as this year. There was no one main opposition candidate. There were three.

Trump won Super Tuesday (595 delegates) by popular vote over Cruz-Rubio-Kasich-Carson: 34%-29%-22%-6%-6%.
Trump won the next week (393 delegates) by popular vote over Cruz-Rubio-Kasich: 37%-31%-11%-17%
Trump won March 15th (366 delegates) by popular vote over Cruz-Rubio-Kasich: 41%-24%-12%-21%

At that point Rubio dropped out. There were only a few races over the next month for under 300 delegates but Trump won 44%-34%-17%. On April 26th there were 124 delegates, Trump won 57%-20%-21% but these were mostly WTA so he got 111 of the delegates. He won Indiana 53%-37%-8% for another 57 delegates to zip. At which point both Cruz and Kasich dropped out and Trump won 70+% of the vote in the remaining nine states.

In 2012, you had the same issue. Romney-Santorum-Gingrich-Paul.
First two months: 41%-24%-22%-11%
Super Tuesday: 38%-27%-23%-11%
March: 35%-35%-27%-3%
April: 53%-25%-9%-12% (Santorum dropped out on April 3rd, Gingrich on May 2nd)

Romney only had 935 of the needed 1144 at that point but nobody else went into the convention with more than 190 (Paul) and the highest possible total was 250 for Santorum but everyone but Paul released theirs.

Hillary and Sanders advantage is that they were the only two candidates in the race. Hillary got 55% of the vote and 60% of the delegates, Bernie got 43% of the vote and 39% of the delegates. Not a huge disparity. (In 2008 it was 48% of the vote for Hillary and 46% of delegates,  47% of the vote for Obama and 53% of delegates.)

Had there been a third candidate who could obtain 15% of the vote and make it say, 45%-38%-15%, who stays in until the end of May, it would have been far far harder for Hillary to have won even with the superdelegates. That's more of the situation the GOP has faced.

This happened in 1984, the last time three candidates had 15+% of the popular vote. Mondale-Hart-Jackson split the vote 38%-36%-18% for 1606-1164-358 delegates awarded from the primaries. Mondale was 335 delegates short. The superdelegates plus released eventually put him over 2191-1200-465-26 (Others). Jackson tried to get the rules changed because the 15% rule in a lot of DNC primaries had meant he didn't get anywhere near 18% of the delegates. Mondale at the same time was trying to round up as many votes as possible so it didn't go to a second ballot and delegates be released from their pledges.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 01:53:26 AM

Shut the fuck up Benji.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 01:55:55 AM

The Republicans actually changed their rules progressively in 2012 and 2016 to allocate more and more delegates proportionally and over a longer period. This was to get away from the situation like 2008 where McCain got 47% of the vote but had more than the needed delegates by March 4th. (And had basically won the nomination on Super Tuesday despite winning only 9 of the 21 primaries but getting 568 out of 901 delegates.)

Trump probably would have had the same landslide effect as McCain did and Kerry in 2004 under the old rules.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: chronovore on October 17, 2016, 02:15:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6j70qBvJOA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 02:19:24 AM

Sounds like half the guys I bowl with.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 17, 2016, 02:35:54 AM

I'll admit that the racism/war on terror is probably going to give me a lifelong grudge against the GOP and that that's the number one reason I want to vote for Hillary. Because they're running against what's going to be the first woman president and I want the GOP to be the "bad guys" in history books so future generations think your grandfather was a Nazi for voting for Trump. I won't pretend like that's not the biggest motivator for me.

But sometimes I wonder what if Bernie was the nominee? He'd beat Trump, maybe not lose too much of the downballot effect Hillary is aiming for due to being an old white dude (+5% congressional clout), and he would need to act somewhat Jewish in the short-term so people don't think he's a godless heathen. Iono maybe in another decade we'll be ready for "radical" socialist policies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 17, 2016, 03:26:09 AM

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/787889195507417088

Quote

Julian Assange's internet link has been intentionally severed by a state party. We have activated the appropriate contingency plans.

buckle up

wikileaks also released 3 dead man switch tweets pertaining to John Kerry, Ecuador, and the UK.
also I took a peak at the gaf thread lol...the mental gymnastics going on in there because they know whatever this is could potentially hurt hillary is pretty sad (SAD!)

but srs will be interesting to see if anything comes of this

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 03:31:18 AM

Assange.

 :point

Can't be sent to Sweden soon enough.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 03:38:43 AM

he promised an october surprise!

surprise! jail!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 08:44:46 AM

People make fun of Assange for not being able to hurt Hillary, but if she was going up against anyone else besides Trump, the steady stream of Wikileaks would've put her in a world of trouble. Trump just happens to be a walking scandal, so he takes all the attention away from her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 09:53:27 AM

People ridicule Assange because he's an hypocrite and holier-than-thou asshole trying to skip a fair trial in the courts of one of the mildest democracies there is (and one with some of the best protection for press, which is why he wanted to apply for residence, and that following the CIA rendition fiasco is extra-careful not to extradite willy nilly to the US) using his "political credibility".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 10:01:30 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 09:53:27 AM

People ridicule Assange because he's an hypocrite and holier-than-thou asshole trying to skip a fair trial in the courts of one of the mildest democracies there is (and one with some of the best protection for press, which is why he wanted to apply for residence, and that following the CIA rendition fiasco is extra-careful not to extradite willy nilly to the US) using his "political credibility".

That's a given and not at all what i was talking about.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 10:18:28 AM

I never thought it were trump supporters that firebombed the gop office because the message that was spray painted was spelled correctly.

But seriously, who wastes enough time to spell 'republicans' completely?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 17, 2016, 10:26:22 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 01:55:55 AM

The Republicans actually changed their rules progressively in 2012 and 2016 to allocate more and more delegates proportionally and over a longer period. This was to get away from the situation like 2008 where McCain got 47% of the vote but had more than the needed delegates by March 4th. (And had basically won the nomination on Super Tuesday despite winning only 9 of the 21 primaries but getting 568 out of 901 delegates.)

Trump probably would have had the same landslide effect as McCain did and Kerry in 2004 under the old rules.

Heres a groundbreaking proposal.

1 person = 1 vote

Tally them up.

Whoever gets most votes wins

 :mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 10:46:52 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 10:01:30 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 09:53:27 AM

People ridicule Assange because he's an hypocrite and holier-than-thou asshole trying to skip a fair trial in the courts of one of the mildest democracies there is (and one with some of the best protection for press, which is why he wanted to apply for residence, and that following the CIA rendition fiasco is extra-careful not to extradite willy nilly to the US) using his "political credibility".

That's a given and not at all what i was talking about.

Yeah sure but couldn't resist the jab.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 12:29:38 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 10:18:28 AM

I never thought it were trump supporters that firebombed the gop office because the message that was spray painted was spelled correctly.

But seriously, who wastes enough time to spell 'republicans' completely?  :doge

For real. If you're going to go through all the trouble of fire-bombing the place, you could have at least made up a pithy insult like "Repukes" or something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2016, 12:33:54 PM

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/10/15/trump-vows-to-unite-america-under-one-go?videoId=370152567&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=morefromreuters

holy shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2016, 12:37:48 PM

http://www.mysanantonio.com/politics/article/Canadians-attempt-to-cheer-up-Americans-with-9974989.php

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 12:39:06 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 17, 2016, 12:33:54 PM

http://www.reuters.com/video/2016/10/15/trump-vows-to-unite-america-under-one-go?videoId=370152567&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=morefromreuters

holy shit

I'm honestly surprised it's taken him this long to start making the hard sell to the Christian right.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 02:12:41 PM

Quote from: https://thinkprogress.org/john-mccain-republicans-will-block-anyone-clinton-names-to-the-supreme-court-35636acca966

After host Dom Giordano pressed McCain on how he can promise that Republicans will block Clinton’s appointees when they did not block President Obama’s appointment of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, McCain noted that a handful of Republicans did support Sotomayor. This time around, however, he says things will be different.

“I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain told Giordano. He added that “this is why we need the majority.

Oh boy!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 02:21:27 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 02:12:41 PM

Quote from: https://thinkprogress.org/john-mccain-republicans-will-block-anyone-clinton-names-to-the-supreme-court-35636acca966

After host Dom Giordano pressed McCain on how he can promise that Republicans will block Clinton’s appointees when they did not block President Obama’s appointment of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, McCain noted that a handful of Republicans did support Sotomayor. This time around, however, he says things will be different.

“I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain told Giordano. He added that “this is why we need the majority.

Oh boy!

This is literal anti-constitutional behavior. I have no idea how they can justify this to themselves. Disgusting and treasonous.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 17, 2016, 02:25:12 PM

errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840

Quote

Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 02:25:42 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 17, 2016, 02:25:12 PM

errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840

Quote

Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.

I mean, people on GAF said the same thing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 02:28:43 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 17, 2016, 02:25:12 PM

errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840

Quote

Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.

omg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 02:31:02 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 17, 2016, 02:25:42 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 17, 2016, 02:25:12 PM

errrr
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/788025190550691840

Quote

Top #HillaryClinton aides lamented that a Muslim man, not a white man, was the San Bernardino shooter, emails released by WikiLeaks show.

I mean, people on GAF said the same thing.

Top people on GAF, even.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 17, 2016, 02:33:11 PM

Top #GAF posters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2016, 02:42:21 PM

I prefer white terrorists.  I feel like I relate to them better.  Imagine if instead of Hans Gruber you had Mohammad Gruber?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 02:50:38 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 17, 2016, 02:42:21 PM

I prefer white terrorists.  I feel like I relate to them better.  Imagine if instead of Hans Gruber you had Mohammad Gruber?

Hans Gruber wasn't a terrorist, he was a thief.

#ThiefGenocide

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2016, 03:04:10 PM

Hans Gruber was a thief.  Mohammad Gruber would have been a terrorist. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 17, 2016, 03:10:45 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 17, 2016, 03:04:10 PM

Hans Gruber was a thief.  Mohammad Gruber would have been a terrorist.

:lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

Which one?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 03:19:51 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

Which one?

Whichever one is god of the oil fields, probably:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-oilfield-prayer-day_us_57fdc266e4b0d505a46b0a98

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 17, 2016, 03:23:29 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

Which one?

One Nation under Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 03:27:16 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 03:19:51 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

Which one?

Whichever one is god of the oil fields, probably:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-oilfield-prayer-day_us_57fdc266e4b0d505a46b0a98

Quote

“The oilfield is experiencing an economic disaster with catastrophic impact on the industry,” Baptist General Convention of Oklahoma oilpatch chaplain Tom Beddow told the Baptist Messenger. “The most recognizable need is for the recovery of economic loss, but the greatest need in these depressive times is hope... the hope that comes from God.”

:rofl

"Deer lord, we ask you to keep the arl flowin so our great CEO can get even richer in the hopes that some of that wealth is trickled down to us folk."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Raist on October 17, 2016, 05:31:28 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

Which one?

(https://abload.de/img/olyxw.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Freyj on October 17, 2016, 07:30:41 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 03:19:51 PM

Whichever one is god of the oil fields, probably:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-oilfield-prayer-day_us_57fdc266e4b0d505a46b0a98

any chance to post this

(http://i.imgur.com/2O39uQ6.jpg?1)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 17, 2016, 07:46:50 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/senate/301391-mccain-walks-back-pledge-to-block-clinton-supreme-court-nominee

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Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 07:48:10 PM

FAT CHECK
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/14/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrongly-maligns-us-chess-prowess/

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One of Donald Trump’s signature lines at rallies has been that the United States doesn’t win any more. "Folks, we don't win anymore, right?" he said in June in an event in the Woodlands, Texas. "We don't win anymore. We don't win! We don't win on anything."

More recently, during an Oct. 10 rally in Ambridge, Pa., Trump offered a variation on that theme -- and the U.S. chess community wasn’t happy about his remarks.

Trump was in the midst of criticizing international trade agreements, including the Trans-Pacific Partnership. He said he supports the idea of bilateral agreements, saying that such deals would make it possible for the United States to threaten to withdraw, then renegotiate on more favorable terms before the agreement expired.

Trump went on to say that with multilateral pacts like the TPP, "you can't terminate -- there's too many people, you go crazy. It's like you have to be a grand chess master. And we don't have any of them." (You can see it here, around the 19:45 mark.)

(http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/rulings/tom-pantsonfire.gif)

Quote

It’s literally wrong that "we don’t have any" chess grandmasters. That’s the correct term, by the way, not "grand chess masters."

Currently, the United States has 90 grandmasters, counting both men and women, which is enough to rank third-highest in the world.

Quote

Trump chose a particularly inopportune moment for his comment.

Most notable is the victory less than a month earlier by the U.S. men’s team at the 42nd Chess Olympiad in Baku, Azerbaijan -- which is considered the first time in nearly 80 years that the United States won the gold. To win in September, the United States bested such powerhouses as Russia, Ukraine, India and China.

Chess may not be the most popular sport in the United States, but observers called the Olympic victory a watershed moment for U.S. chess.

"The 2016 win in the Chess Olympiad is huge," said Olimpiu G. Urcan, a Singapore-based chess writer and historian. "The previous Olympiad was won by China, and Russia and Ukraine are extremely competitive. Having the United States finish first was a huge boost for chess in America and a moment of genuine pride. Many in the U.S. right now believe that the successes of 2016 could produce a rejuvenation of chess" similar to what happened with the international stardom of Bobby Fischer in the 1970s.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 07:51:12 PM

Is there nothing that Trump won't lie about? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 17, 2016, 07:53:02 PM

is it a lie if you don't know the truth?  :doge

bless up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 17, 2016, 09:14:40 PM

politifact employees doing god's work i see
note the lowercase "g"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 09:31:08 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 17, 2016, 03:12:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

Which one?

Beelzebub

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2016, 09:44:33 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 02:12:41 PM

Quote from: https://thinkprogress.org/john-mccain-republicans-will-block-anyone-clinton-names-to-the-supreme-court-35636acca966

After host Dom Giordano pressed McCain on how he can promise that Republicans will block Clinton’s appointees when they did not block President Obama’s appointment of Justice Sonia Sotomayor, McCain noted that a handful of Republicans did support Sotomayor. This time around, however, he says things will be different.

“I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,” McCain told Giordano. He added that “this is why we need the majority.

Oh boy!

Quote from: Kara on June 27, 2016, 08:02:45 PM

Truthfully I find it optimistic that one would even be appointed after January 2017. The electorate has yet to definitively punish Republican legislators for their behavior during the last 8 years and why would they give away SCOTUS for possibly quite awhile when 4-4 "decisions" will simply allow their strategy of death by a thousand cuts to continue at the state level?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJRT3tsoFNY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Kara on October 17, 2016, 09:48:01 PM

In less predictable news, somehow the PSL got their presidential ticket on the California ballot under the Peace and Freedom moniker.

Finally being able to vote for printed-on-the-ballot Marxist-Leninists.  :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 17, 2016, 09:58:26 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 17, 2016, 09:48:01 PM

being able to vote for printed-on-the-ballot Marxist-Leninists

:ussrcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 17, 2016, 10:53:34 PM

syph why are you so weird

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 17, 2016, 11:15:49 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on October 17, 2016, 10:53:34 PM

syph why are you so weird

haha elaborate hombre

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 17, 2016, 11:31:19 PM

Quote from: Freyj on October 17, 2016, 07:30:41 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 17, 2016, 03:19:51 PM

Whichever one is god of the oil fields, probably:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oklahoma-oilfield-prayer-day_us_57fdc266e4b0d505a46b0a98

any chance to post this

(http://i.imgur.com/2O39uQ6.jpg?1)

!!

I know that guy and was down the hallway when this was taken

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Raist on October 18, 2016, 02:16:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 18, 2016, 02:25:29 AM

Gotta corner the crazies market early if you want to be the next D'Souza or Dylan Avery. :dice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 18, 2016, 06:41:34 AM

As an update, Scott Foval got fired from his job.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 18, 2016, 06:52:10 AM

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/788099178832420865

Speaking of Assange, it seems his Internet was cut off... by Ecuador.  :sabu

Leaked memos seems to indicate, as one would expect, that there is a lot of frictions at the embassy and that Assange mental state is deteriorating.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamesball/mr-white-and-mr-blue?utm_term=.flKbVWA1g#.rq2obpGv8

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: zomgee on October 18, 2016, 10:37:54 AM

Tangentially related to politics, Sheriff Joe Arpaio is calling for "volunteer armed Posse members to partner up with my deputies while on patrol."

https://business.facebook.com/sheriffjoearpaio/videos/1332200690154082/

So now he's asking the public to protect the cops.

https://staging.mcso.org/Multimedia/PressRelease/Sheriff%20Arpaio%20Mobilizes%20Armed%20Posse.pdf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 18, 2016, 10:53:09 AM

A pretty depressing portrait of a Trump supporter by the WaPo.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-me/2016/10/01/c9b6f334-7f68-11e6-9070-5c4905bf40dc_story.html

Quote

“He really does love us”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Trurl on October 18, 2016, 11:02:40 AM

Is there a specific logical fallacy that is committed by yelling "false equivalence!" anytime the two parties are compared?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 11:06:45 AM

This whole election has been depressing and eye opening about just how stupid at least half of the US population is. Especially with this rigged election meme that Trump has been pushing gaining traction. Of course his supporters eat it right up, who happen to be, what, about 40% of thr country? And an increasingly obstructive and unhinged 40%. And I have no doubt there will be massive riots when the election doesn't go in their candidates' favor.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Kara on October 18, 2016, 12:24:54 PM

Quote from: Trurl on October 18, 2016, 11:02:40 AM

Is there a specific logical fallacy that is committed by yelling "false equivalence!" anytime the two parties are compared?

Ignoratio elenchi.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2016, 12:57:24 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 11:06:45 AM

Of course his supporters eat it right up, who happen to be, what, about 40% of the electorate? And an increasingly obstructive and unhinged 40%. And I have no doubt there will be massive riots when the election doesn't go in their candidates' favor.

ftfy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 18, 2016, 01:30:08 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 17, 2016, 12:41:32 PM

Trump is a man of god.

God has abandoned him.

(https://goo.gl/tbpKIy)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2016, 02:15:07 PM

So the only thing Trump did today was say that 1.6 million dead people won't vote for him and kiss a small girl in a creepy way.  How boring. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 18, 2016, 02:25:28 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/27dswEy.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This reads "Donald Trump: He can't read this, but he is afraid of it."

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Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2016, 03:45:23 PM

LARRY, LARRY, LARRY

http://www.nbcnews.com/business/business-news/hustler-s-larry-flynt-offering-1m-any-scandalous-trump-recordings-n668086?cid=sm_fb

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 18, 2016, 03:58:12 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 11:06:45 AM

And an increasingly obstructive and unhinged 40%. And I have no doubt there will be massive riots when the election doesn't go in their candidates' favor.

ehhh. I see this said every 4 years. The doom and gloom surrounding the potential of a second Obama term is much worse than what I've seen this year.

National politics is just team sports. People root for the team (even if they don't like the candidate) and even if they lose they take solace in knowing they can blame all their problems or the countries problems on 'the other guy'. There's a very large contigent of conservatives that are very happy in the position of the critic instead of the defense.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2016, 04:13:04 PM

...you seriously trying to pretend that the obstruction that has bordered on if not fully embraced sabotage of the past 7+ years from the GOP, both the institutional (congress) and propaganda (fox news, talk radio, etc) wings is normal?

:comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 04:21:56 PM

Definitely not normal. Nothing about these elections is normal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 18, 2016, 04:49:15 PM

Quote

When the Texas Department of Transportation signed a deal for the first public-private toll road in the state, it touted the partnership as a win for everybody: The San Antonio-Austin area would get a new section of highway at no upfront cost to Texas taxpayers, private developers would run the operation and profit over time, and the state would own the road and earn millions of dollars in toll revenue.

http://projects.expressnews.com/the-end-of-the-road-texas-130-toll-road

What could go wrong?

I for one cant imagine why a Republican talking point package could ever fail. I think Ill stop reading there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2016, 05:30:51 PM

drudge front page (kinda nsfw)
http://i.imgur.com/HJfzQKA.jpg

Trump is running the campaign many on the right have begged for, for YEARS. All that "why didn't they talk about Rev Wright/Ayers/cocaine/Benghazi/etc" bullshit handwringing has produced...this. And the result will be a loss bigger than McCain and Romney's.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:32:46 PM

I don't think we're at a point where there's going to be widespread violence spilling over from the campaign, but politics aren't exactly normal and functional over on the GOP side these days.

The constant fuckery from Trump has completely overshadowed the fact that we're going a full year with an empty Supreme Court seat, and that nobody wanted the job of Speaker of the House, after the last guy quit cause he didn't want to deal with the bullshit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 18, 2016, 05:34:32 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:32:46 PM

I don't think we're at a point where there's going to be widespread violence spilling over from the campaign, but politics aren't exactly normal and functional over on the GOP side these days.

The constant fuckery from Trump has completely overshadowed the fact that we're going a full year with an empty Supreme Court seat, and that nobody wanted the job of Speaker of the House, after the last guy quit cause he didn't want to deal with the bullshit.

Remember when shutting down the government would cause them 50+ house loses?

My old GAF account remembers.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:39:04 PM

haven't read gaf in a decade but do recall you saying the vp debate would really hurt clinton so

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 18, 2016, 05:42:56 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:39:04 PM

haven't read gaf in a decade but do recall you saying the vp debate would really hurt clinton so

In a normal election it would have. Im sorry I didnt predict pussygate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:48:24 PM

no that's wrong and dumb

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 18, 2016, 05:50:55 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:48:24 PM

no that's wrong and dumb

Ask Mccain

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 18, 2016, 05:52:39 PM

Quote from: james on October 18, 2016, 05:50:55 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:48:24 PM

no that's wrong and dumb

Ask Mccain

There's a huge fucking difference between the absurdity and ignorance of Palin and the boring white man politick of Tim Kaine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:56:30 PM

also the polls moved towards obama the week before the 08 vp debate but not the week after it

so still wrong and dumb

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2016, 06:01:10 PM

McCain was losing before and after the Palin debate. If you want to argue the selection of Palin had a negative impact on McCain sure, I can buy that (terrible/reckless selection, invalidated the campaign's experience argument against Obama, etc). The VP debate didn't matter, and probably never really matters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 06:15:30 PM

iirc the poli sci is divided on Palin's impact, between "very small, but more than other VP choices" to "basically nothing."

In any case there was no movement to Trump between the VP debate and the pussy tape.  Which is unsurprising cause it was a fucking vice presidential debate.  Lordy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| :drudge OCTOBER SURPRISE :drudge
Post by: Tasty on October 18, 2016, 06:24:37 PM

Remember when, brehs?

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:09:02 PM

Ryan is a fucking idiot but he didnt trip over himself twice during the same tripping over movement

Did anyone vet this clown?

And it does fucking matter. 65 million people will be watching this. If just 10% are swayed...

Its over. Hillary hands over the keys to the basket of deplorables.

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:17:25 PM

Im sorry the democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again and again and again - bothers me

See also: Rubio leading

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:39:28 PM

CBS declared Kaine the loser.

Damage control by the "yas queen" crowd activated

All hands on deck at Hillarys rapid response team

Record being corrected

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:55:21 PM

When "this wasnt that bad nobody watched" is your go-to spin, you know you fucked up

Quote from: james on October 05, 2016, 11:16:06 AM

Talk around the water cooler today is that the debate shifted people from Hillary back to undecided.

Big win for Jill.

(http://www.thecoli.com/media/mjlol-mike-tyson.5391/full)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 06:28:39 PM

I remember the Palin fiasco very clearly. McCain's campaign was dead in the water before he announced his VP pick. Picking Palin was looked at as either a "bold move picking a female running mate" or a desperate hail mary tactic (depending  on who you ask) and initially gave him a big boost in the polls. Only after she's done her media rounds and started seeing Russia from her house did McCain's approval ratings start dropping back down to pre-Palin levels. So to say she hurt him in the election is wrong, she just had very little positive effecg on the outcome. McCain would've lost with or without her.

Same goes for Tim Kaine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 06:42:23 PM

Plus it's basically impossible to disentangle Palin from convention bounce, given the timing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 07:06:24 PM

I dunno if he's an alt account or an actual concern troll, but my use of capitalization and punctuation are typically indicators of how seriously I'm taking someone.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2016, 07:10:58 PM

Veeps never matter. Even when they are on the incompentent scale like Palin or Quayle or on the more effective sides of things like Gore, or god forbid Cheney.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

They probably matter a little but its so minor on the scale of things.

[close]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWXRNySMW4s

Never forget the shade.

 :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Kara on October 18, 2016, 08:12:27 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 05:32:46 PM

The constant fuckery from Trump has completely overshadowed the fact that we're going a full year with an empty Supreme Court seat, and that nobody wanted the job of Speaker of the House, after the last guy quit cause he didn't want to deal with the bullshit.

Or the fact that we might never again reasonably expect there to be a consistently clean debt ceiling vote.

The last few years have set horrible precedents, and we can only hope they wither the way impeaching the president for lying went during George II's reign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Trurl on October 18, 2016, 08:23:10 PM

If veeps don't matter then why are they picked to complement the ticket?  Or is this also a myth?  If it's electorally unimportant I say pick a boring person close to retirement who would be a good steward should the worst happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 18, 2016, 08:24:39 PM

Quote from: Trurl on October 18, 2016, 08:23:10 PM

If veeps don't matter then why are they picked to complement the ticket?  Or is this also a myth?  If it's electorally unimportant I say pick a boring person close to retirement who would be a good steward should the worst happen.

Their face/name is semi-important for brownie points but the actual candidates aren't.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 18, 2016, 08:54:41 PM

Quote from: Trurl on October 18, 2016, 08:23:10 PM

If veeps don't matter then why are they picked to complement the ticket?  Or is this also a myth?  If it's electorally unimportant I say pick a boring person close to retirement who would be a good steward should the worst happen.

I mean...they matter, but they are not that big of a deal nationally. LBJ helped JFK win Texas, but has a VP had that type of impact recently? I don't think so. It's easy to say Kaine will help Hillary win VA and while I'm sure he helps, the demographics on the ground have been trending blue for quite some time.

Seems like VPs are moreso about evening out a ticket and targeting specific demographics. Maybe Joe Biden made some rural white democrats feel better about Obama in 08. Maybe Pence reassures some evangelicals about Trump. Perhaps Kaine being the only sane white man on a presidential ticket this year has some value to some folks. Who knows.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 09:58:25 PM

I could see it being more important back when the national parties were amalgams of more conflicting regional interests.  Making sure another bloc was represented on the ticket would be a way to hold the coalition together, ie Democrats having southern VP picks to balance Stevenson and JFK after Strom Thurmond broke away in 1948.

Basically we treat it as more important than it is because 1) everything has only a marginal effect, but it's all cumulative and campaigns have to try to get all the details right, and 2) saying "well it will be determined by the underlying fundamentals" is a really boring thing to say over and over for the better part of a year.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2016, 10:12:41 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/rice-trump-2006-comments/index.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 18, 2016, 10:18:55 PM

Barack Obama's brother, Malik Obama, is going to be at the third rally tomorrow as Donald Trump's guest: http://time.com/4536121/malik-obama-donald-trump-third-debate/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 10:22:46 PM

Malik sounds like a Yu-Gi-Oh! character

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 18, 2016, 10:25:47 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 10:22:46 PM

Malik sounds like a Yu-Gi-Oh! character

He was.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

So Ecuador just confirmed they cut off Assange's internet access because he was interfering with the US election by posting the leaks. Note the timing.
I'm the last person to subscribe to a conspiracy theory or any of that shit but this is pretty fucked.
I know people will be blinded by their Hillary euphoria (again, for the record, I don't support Trump) and pretend this isn't happening but it is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 10:36:20 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

Note the timing.

k

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 18, 2016, 10:40:12 PM

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6f997f97c5f140a29f385ea05f1b642c/wikileaks-assanges-internet-link-severed-state-actor

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In follow-up messages posted Tuesday, the group claimed U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry had personally intervened to ask Ecuador to stop Assange from publishing documents about Clinton. Citing "multiple US sources," WikiLeaks said the request was made on the sidelines of a visit by Kerry and Ecuadorean President Rafael Correa last month to Colombia to show their support for a peace deal with leftist rebels.

So post the sources or the evidence? You run a leaks website ffs.

Quote

The foreign ministry said that while it stands by its 2012 decision to grant Assange asylum based on legitimate concerns he faces political persecution, it respects other nations' sovereignty and doesn't interfere or support any candidate in foreign elections.

"The decision to make this information public is the exclusive responsibility of the WikiLeaks organization," the foreign ministry said in a statement.

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"While our concerns about Wikileaks are longstanding, any suggestion that Secretary Kerry or the State Department were involved in shutting down Wikileaks is false," U.S. State Department spokesman John Kirby said in an email. Speaking to reporters later, deputy spokesman Mark Toner said Kerry never even raised the issue or met with Correa during his visit to Colombia.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/133/668/68.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 18, 2016, 10:46:50 PM

Its not like he is running wikileaks on a server out of the embassy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 10:49:40 PM

 :hans1

Quote from: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

So Ecuador just confirmed they cut off Assange's internet access because he was interfering with the US election by posting the leaks. Note the timing.
I'm the last person to subscribe to a conspiracy theory or any of that shit but this is pretty fucked.
I know people will be blinded by their Hillary euphoria (again, for the record, I don't support Trump) and pretend this isn't happening but it is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: tiesto on October 18, 2016, 11:01:49 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 10:22:46 PM

Malik sounds like a Yu-Gi-Oh! character

I was thinking Tales of Graces Malik:

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/aselia/images/0/03/Malik_Cut-in_(ToG).png/revision/latest?cb=20141014052742)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 18, 2016, 11:20:02 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 18, 2016, 10:18:55 PM

Barack Obama's brother, Malik Obama, is going to be at the third rally tomorrow as Donald Trump's guest: http://time.com/4536121/malik-obama-donald-trump-third-debate/

 :cmonson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 12:10:22 AM

Who wants to bet Trump got this "bring family members/former friends/accusers to court" thing from The Godfather II.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Kara on October 19, 2016, 12:14:47 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

So Ecuador just confirmed they cut off Assange's internet access because he was interfering with the US election by posting the leaks. Note the timing.
I'm the last person to subscribe to a conspiracy theory or any of that shit but this is pretty fucked.
I know people will be blinded by their Hillary euphoria (again, for the record, I don't support Trump) and pretend this isn't happening but it is.

At the behest of noted capitalist flunkie Rafael Correa, of course.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: thisismyusername on October 19, 2016, 12:33:44 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/18/politics/rice-trump-2006-comments/index.html

:gurl @ Trump. I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: VomKriege on October 19, 2016, 01:44:32 AM

Quote from: Kara on October 19, 2016, 12:14:47 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

So Ecuador just confirmed they cut off Assange's internet access because he was interfering with the US election by posting the leaks. Note the timing.
I'm the last person to subscribe to a conspiracy theory or any of that shit but this is pretty fucked.
I know people will be blinded by their Hillary euphoria (again, for the record, I don't support Trump) and pretend this isn't happening but it is.

At the behest of noted capitalist flunkie Rafael Correa, of course.

The "conspiracy" is probably than the Ecuadorian staff at the London embassy can't stand anymore having to house a squatter on their small premises and that the governement at home, while happy to get some leftist street cred for offering asylum tp Assange, don't want to end up in a major controversial international incident because of it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 02:14:42 AM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on October 18, 2016, 07:10:58 PM

Veeps never matter. Even when they are on the incompentent scale like Palin or Quayle or on the more effective sides of things like Gore, or god forbid Cheney.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

They probably matter a little but its so minor on the scale of things.

[close]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWXRNySMW4s

Never forget the shade.

 :rejoice

but Bentsen only met Kennedy like once, that was really uncalled for, the levels that demoncraps sink to

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Ronald Reagan in 1992

"This fellow they've nominated claims he's the new Thomas Jefferson. Well, let me tell you something. I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was a friend of mine. And governor, you're no Thomas Jefferson."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiNVqYwVfWE
 :american

ha uploaded by "Rob Ford" r.i.p. in peace

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 02:29:01 AM

Quote from: Trurl on October 18, 2016, 08:23:10 PM

If veeps don't matter then why are they picked to complement the ticket?  Or is this also a myth?  If it's electorally unimportant I say pick a boring person close to retirement who would be a good steward should the worst happen.

Quote from: Mandark on October 18, 2016, 09:58:25 PM

I could see it being more important back when the national parties were amalgams of more conflicting regional interests.  Making sure another bloc was represented on the ticket would be a way to hold the coalition together, ie Democrats having southern VP picks to balance Stevenson and JFK after Strom Thurmond broke away in 1948.

They also used to be picked at the convention by the party. The Presidential nominees generally held a veto more than they had much of a say in picking who it was. The Roosevelts were more hands on. FDR controlled the conventions so much people were shocked and excited when Stevenson left it up to the convention in 1956.

I assume this consolation prize status also had a role in why so many who elevated to the Presidency were denied renomination (Tyler, Fillmore, Johnson, Arthur) by their own party before TR. Being out of step with the party didn't help.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 02:59:30 AM

This reminds me of a key plank in my "hatred in his heart" 2020 VP campaign.

I will roll back the tyranny of the last 170 years and take an originalist view that if the President were to die or resign, I will not ascend to the Presidency but instead merely temporarily assume the duties while remaining Vice President.

I promise not to return letters not addressed to me as "President" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Tyler#.22His_Accidency.22), in fact, I will only return those that are.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 03:47:00 AM

In NeverTrumpers endorsing Trump: http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/17/why-protest-for-trump-is-better-than-third-party/

Quote

Michael Ryan • 2 days ago
You are a confused coward. TRUMP will win - why are you never TRUMP - you give no reasons... he is mean? poor sunshine, want a lollipop? Hillary is a criminal - SEALS DIED and Syria is in chaos. I held my nose to vote for wimpy RINOs like Dole, McCain and Romney - they were the lesser of two evils. Now its your turn sissy . man up and vote proudly or be a sheeple under Hillary.

Quote

aNYagenda • 7 hours ago
He's not?
Why is that?

Becasue the liberals have stuffed their open border slums with enough crime, poverty and over-population to give them more electoral votes then everybody else in the country?

They shouldn't be allowed to do that.
They're rigging the system and cheating democracy.
Its treasonous.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: ToxicAdam on October 19, 2016, 08:59:30 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2016, 04:13:04 PM

...you seriously trying to pretend that the obstruction that has bordered on if not fully embraced sabotage of the past 7+ years from the GOP, both the institutional (congress) and propaganda (fox news, talk radio, etc) wings is normal?

:comeon

You lived through the 90's, right?

Recency bias is hard to overcome.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2016, 09:25:48 AM

My favorite thing right now is trump supporters calling people un-American then saying trump or war! Have fun in prison, dude.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2016, 09:36:21 AM

All this stuff happens every election. People just forgot every 4 years until the next election.

Trump just increases it because he is the most racist "controversial" candidate of my life. I doubt there will be any increased level of violence post election. People will do what they always do. Which is whine and bitch and moan and then blame the other side and Form new Tea Party 3.0 to bitch and moan along their fellow racists supporters.

I fully admit if Trump was winning at this moment I'd be salty as fuck. Because of all the awful shit he represents. But fortunately that ain't gonna happen. So its a bit easier to be rational in this situation. 

I was very disappointed when Gore lost but I mean at the time George Bush Jr didn't look like the disaster he was gonna turn out to be. Trump by comparison is a walking talking nightmare. So I understand why people get antsy about him. But there is always a line to not cross to make yourself look like an idiot.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 19, 2016, 10:29:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 02:14:42 AM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Quote from: Ronald Reagan in 1992

"This fellow they've nominated claims he's the new Thomas Jefferson. Well, let me tell you something. I knew Thomas Jefferson. He was a friend of mine. And governor, you're no Thomas Jefferson."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiNVqYwVfWE
 :american

ha uploaded by "Rob Ford" r.i.p. in peace

[close]

lol. That was a good speech. His last great one I recall. Republicans were energized but that evaporated rather quickly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBrW2Pz9Iiw

Bush just had no charisma coming after Reagan. You could argue Hillary is similar in that way coming after Obama.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 11:23:43 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 03:47:00 AM

In NeverTrumpers endorsing Trump: http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/17/why-protest-for-trump-is-better-than-third-party/

Quote

Michael Ryan • 2 days ago
You are a confused coward. TRUMP will win - why are you never TRUMP - you give no reasons... he is mean? poor sunshine, want a lollipop? Hillary is a criminal - SEALS DIED and Syria is in chaos. I held my nose to vote for wimpy RINOs like Dole, McCain and Romney - they were the lesser of two evils. Now its your turn sissy . man up and vote proudly or be a sheeple under Hillary.

So this guy's vote is the sole decider between Trump winning or not? Wow, no pressure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2016, 11:31:13 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 19, 2016, 08:59:30 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2016, 04:13:04 PM

...you seriously trying to pretend that the obstruction that has bordered on if not fully embraced sabotage of the past 7+ years from the GOP, both the institutional (congress) and propaganda (fox news, talk radio, etc) wings is normal?

:comeon

You lived through the 90's, right?

Recency bias is hard to overcome.

Sure, there was a government shutdown. But this is different. These Freedumb Caucus lunatics think they're living in Red Dawn.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 19, 2016, 01:37:18 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 10:49:40 PM

:hans1

Quote from: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

So Ecuador just confirmed they cut off Assange's internet access because he was interfering with the US election by posting the leaks. Note the timing.
I'm the last person to subscribe to a conspiracy theory or any of that shit but this is pretty fucked.
I know people will be blinded by their Hillary euphoria (again, for the record, I don't support Trump) and pretend this isn't happening but it is.

nah man no tinfoil hat
there's a lot i could write but at the end of the day everything for me comes down to that misattributed Voltaire line

 "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

The America I grew up admiring from afar embodied this but I don't know if it will be true in 8 years, let alone now. Roast me if you want.




in a completely unrelated note Rubio is still kicking around
(hyperbolic title but it is a good video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7jFzdJdQE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Steve Contra on October 19, 2016, 01:42:12 PM

It's been mentioned before but why would Correa acquiesce to the Americans now with regards to Assange?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 01:54:28 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 19, 2016, 01:37:18 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 10:49:40 PM

:hans1

Quote from: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

So Ecuador just confirmed they cut off Assange's internet access because he was interfering with the US election by posting the leaks. Note the timing.
I'm the last person to subscribe to a conspiracy theory or any of that shit but this is pretty fucked.
I know people will be blinded by their Hillary euphoria (again, for the record, I don't support Trump) and pretend this isn't happening but it is.

nah man no tinfoil hat
there's a lot i could write but at the end of the day everything for me comes down to that misattributed Voltaire line

 "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

The America I grew up admiring from afar embodied this but I don't know if it will be true in 8 years, let alone now. Roast me if you want.




in a completely unrelated note Rubio is still kicking around
(hyperbolic title but it is a good video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7jFzdJdQE

Normally I would agree, and I really have no problems with this info being released. But does it sit well with you that this is a coordinated attack with thr Russian government and that they aren't doing the same for the Trump campaign and the GOP?

It was never even a secret that the RNC did not want Trump to be their nominee. If you think the DNC emails about Bernie were bad, think about the kind of shit those guys wrre emailing each other.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Atramental on October 19, 2016, 02:05:40 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/d1gu6hi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2fFRQmb.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 19, 2016, 02:14:20 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 01:54:28 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 19, 2016, 01:37:18 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 18, 2016, 10:49:40 PM

:hans1

Quote from: Syph on October 18, 2016, 10:31:50 PM

So Ecuador just confirmed they cut off Assange's internet access because he was interfering with the US election by posting the leaks. Note the timing.
I'm the last person to subscribe to a conspiracy theory or any of that shit but this is pretty fucked.
I know people will be blinded by their Hillary euphoria (again, for the record, I don't support Trump) and pretend this isn't happening but it is.

nah man no tinfoil hat
there's a lot i could write but at the end of the day everything for me comes down to that misattributed Voltaire line

 "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

The America I grew up admiring from afar embodied this but I don't know if it will be true in 8 years, let alone now. Roast me if you want.




in a completely unrelated note Rubio is still kicking around
(hyperbolic title but it is a good video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7jFzdJdQE

Normally I would agree, and I really have no problems with this info being released. But does it sit well with you that this is a coordinated attack with thr Russian government and that they aren't doing the same for the Trump campaign and the GOP?

It was never even a secret that the RNC did not want Trump to be their nominee. If you think the DNC emails about Bernie were bad, think about the kind of shit those guys wrre emailing each other.

I don't know if it's a coordinated attack, but no it doesn't sit well with me. Nothing about the past five months sits well with me. I also agree with your RNC inference (although I'd argue at this point we don't even need those emails since they just publicly shit on him lol). However, I guess the point I'm making is that these things need to be viewed in a vacuum. Both candidates are absolute dogshit. But it seems there is a refusal to discuss certain things (such as the emails) because it will hurt one candidate or empower the other. I don't think Trump would be a good president. But I also think Clinton is transparently corrupt and it's troubling how much of a free pass it seems she is getting. When you have CNN saying it's illegal for the public to read the emails (source (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_Wtu8Pzvd4)) or Obama not so subtly talking about filtering the news (source (https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-decries-wild-west-media-landscape-214642552.html)), it just makes me uneasy. This doesn't have to be a left versus right issue (for example I was all aboard the '08 Obama hype train), but it manifested as one. I just think free speech is the highest right or virtue or whatever, and I see it being eroded or the groundwork being laid for its restriction, even if marginal. And the first sign is the erosion of the media.

I know I went on a tangent and maybe I'll be dismissed as alarmist or whatever. I am admittedly right-wing but I try very hard to be objective and listen to both sides. All I'm saying is that freedom of speech is sacred and should be upheld at all costs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 02:18:53 PM

Quote from: Pallando on October 19, 2016, 02:05:40 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/d1gu6hi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2fFRQmb.gif)

The Trump plane is longer but it has no girth. Hillary's got that thick tip.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Steve Contra on October 19, 2016, 02:19:32 PM

What's funny is how everyone is saying Hillary is getting a free pass even though this shit has been discussed to death in our media.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 19, 2016, 03:22:31 PM

Paul Ryan UNFAVORABLE opinions among Clinton voters – 61%, Trump voters – 64% (https://twitter.com/williamjordann/status/788794361786036224)

Poll: Clinton beating Trump by 5 in Arizona (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/poll-arizona-clinton-beating-trump-229972)

Quote

Arizona has voted for the Republican candidate for president in 15 of the last 16 presidential elections, yet Clinton's campaign is making a play for the state. Clinton has deployed some of her top surrogates in the state, including Bernie Sanders; her daughter, Chelsea Clinton; and first lady Michelle Obama, who will stump there Thursday.

Clinton Has 9-Point Lead as Comeback Obstacles Loom for Trump (http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-10-19/national-poll)

Quote

Support for Trump among critical groups of voters, including men and the less educated, has weakened in the campaign’s closing days, a trajectory that could translate into a landslide loss for Republicans in the Electoral College and setbacks in down-ballot races that will determine control of the House and Senate.

Even men and the poors are coming around to the Kween. :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 04:10:40 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 19, 2016, 08:59:30 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 18, 2016, 04:13:04 PM

...you seriously trying to pretend that the obstruction that has bordered on if not fully embraced sabotage of the past 7+ years from the GOP, both the institutional (congress) and propaganda (fox news, talk radio, etc) wings is normal?

:comeon

You lived through the 90's, right?

Recency bias is hard to overcome.

This is literally not true. The obstruction has no modern precedent.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2016, 04:51:36 PM

It's hard for me to take anything you say seriously, Syph, because you claim to actively like Marco Rubio.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Tasty on October 19, 2016, 05:21:37 PM

New poll shows Evan McMullin leading Trump, Clinton in Utah (http://fox13now.com/2016/10/19/new-poll-shows-evan-mcmullin-beating-trump-clinton-in-utah/)

:mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Steve Contra on October 19, 2016, 05:32:17 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 19, 2016, 05:21:37 PM

New poll shows Evan McMullin leading Trump, Clinton in Utah (http://fox13now.com/2016/10/19/new-poll-shows-evan-mcmullin-beating-trump-clinton-in-utah/)

:mindblown

Trump's anti-immigrant, religious discrimination stance is anathema to a wide swath of Mormons (mostly the educated ones in my experience). 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 19, 2016, 05:55:27 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 19, 2016, 05:21:37 PM

New poll shows Evan McMullin leading Trump, Clinton in Utah (http://fox13now.com/2016/10/19/new-poll-shows-evan-mcmullin-beating-trump-clinton-in-utah/)

:mindblown

It's a mormon thing. They're like "If Utah votes for Evan he wins the race and a mormon will be president!"
And since Utah is so echo-chambery they believe its' part of this huge movement.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: thisismyusername on October 19, 2016, 06:08:14 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 02:18:53 PM

Quote from: Pallando on October 19, 2016, 02:05:40 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/d1gu6hi.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/2fFRQmb.gif)

The Trump plane is longer but it has no girth. Hillary's got that thick tip.

I was gonna make that comment. I'm so glad you beat me to it. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 07:38:52 PM

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/46493_So_Donald_Trump_Just_Invited_a_Hamas_Supporter_to_the_Debate_Tomorrow_Night

remember when Brietbart was running stories about this? Apparently they've scrubbed their site of any mention of it.  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 07:49:35 PM

You're not running against Obama, fam. I know he snatched your soul but there's no way to get that L back, not ever. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 07:59:08 PM

http://www.vogue.com/13492873/hillary-clinton-endorsement-president-united-states-democrat/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 08:03:24 PM

Thank god Vogue finally weighed in.  Now if only Kotaku would endorse her, I could feel comfortable with my vote. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 08:40:10 PM

Why is Scott Baio at the debate?

 :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 08:52:27 PM

BUZZFEED EXCLUSIVE

Quote

Ivanka Trump once told a gathering of friends and acquaintances she had never seen “a mulatto cock,” BuzzFeed founder and chief executive Jonah Peretti alleged Wednesday.

“Surprised Ivanka would be shocked by lewd language,” Peretti tweeted. “I met her once & she casually said: ‘I’ve never seen a mulatto cock, but I’d like to.”

Quote

Reached by phone, Peretti said he wrote the tweet in an airport lounge in Burbank, California, after having read a BuzzFeed News report about the daughter of the Republican presidential nominee reacting to a 2005 tape of him making lewd remarks about grabbing women’s genitals.

“That’s not language consistent with any conversation I’ve ever had with him, certainly, or any conversation I’ve overheard,” she said at Fortune’s Most Powerful Women Summit. “So it was a bit jarring for me to hear.”

Peretti said the encounter with Ivanka occurred at a Manhattan dive bar called Tropical 128 about 8-10 years ago with roughly five other people present, including his wife, Andrea Harner. Peretti said Ivanka and he share a mutual friend who invited her to the bar that evening.

“She was saying how she first said she had never seen an uncircumcised cock and then she said, ‘I’ve never seen a mulatto cock. There’s lots of cocks I’ve never seen,’ or something like that,” Peretti said.

“Of course, it was memorable just because of the use of the lewd language and racist language. It was also memorable being in the environment of being… in New York, sometimes liberal and progressive people make comments meant as jokes and not necessarily earnest. I didn’t know how to take it.”

Peretti said that, in the years since the encounter, he and his wife have discussed the alleged quote privately multiple times.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 08:55:25 PM

5 mins to go!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 08:55:55 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 08:52:27 PM

BUZZFEED EXCLUSIVE

Quote

Ivanka Trump once told a gathering of friends and acquaintances she had never seen “a mulatto cock,” BuzzFeed founder and chief executive Jonah Peretti alleged Wednesday.

“Surprised Ivanka would be shocked by lewd language,” Peretti tweeted. “I met her once & she casually said: ‘I’ve never seen a mulatto cock, but I’d like to.”

Quote

Reached by phone, Peretti said he wrote the tweet in an airport lounge in Burbank, California, after having read a BuzzFeed News report about the daughter of the Republican presidential nominee reacting to a 2005 tape of him making lewd remarks about grabbing women’s genitals.

“That’s not language consistent with any conversation I’ve ever had with him, certainly, or any conversation I’ve overheard,” she said at Fortune’s Most Powerful Women Summit. “So it was a bit jarring for me to hear.”

Peretti said the encounter with Ivanka occurred at a Manhattan dive bar called Tropical 128 about 8-10 years ago with roughly five other people present, including his wife, Andrea Harner. Peretti said Ivanka and he share a mutual friend who invited her to the bar that evening.

“She was saying how she first said she had never seen an uncircumcised cock and then she said, ‘I’ve never seen a mulatto cock. There’s lots of cocks I’ve never seen,’ or something like that,” Peretti said.

“Of course, it was memorable just because of the use of the lewd language and racist language. It was also memorable being in the environment of being… in New York, sometimes liberal and progressive people make comments meant as jokes and not necessarily earnest. I didn’t know how to take it.”

Peretti said that, in the years since the encounter, he and his wife have discussed the alleged quote privately multiple times.

Sex positive and kink shaming in 2016? Gross.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 09:02:19 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on October 19, 2016, 08:59:30 AM

You lived through the 90's, right?

Recency bias is hard to overcome.

Sure did.  I remember less use of the filibuster/cloture, more judicial vacancies being filled, more executive branch appointees being confirmed, only one shutdown crisis*, no debt ceiling fuckery, a waaaaaaay smoother SCOTUS process, and fairly important legislation being passed with a significant number of votes from both parties.  Plus the GOP rallied around the establishment candidates for president.

The roots of the current hysteria are definitely visible in the way the Congressional GOP reacted to Clinton, but you can't credibly argue that things were just as dysfunctional.  People do keep records of this sorta shit.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

There were technically two shutdowns but it was all part of the same drama in late '95/early '96.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:03:56 PM

Ivanka  :obama

Trump did say she's a prime piece of ass

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:04:53 PM

got a bunch of ales lined up for this.

first up

(https://www.usox.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/erdinger_weissbier_dunkel.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 19, 2016, 09:07:37 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 11:23:43 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 03:47:00 AM

In NeverTrumpers endorsing Trump: http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/17/why-protest-for-trump-is-better-than-third-party/

Quote

Michael Ryan • 2 days ago
You are a confused coward. TRUMP will win - why are you never TRUMP - you give no reasons... he is mean? poor sunshine, want a lollipop? Hillary is a criminal - SEALS DIED and Syria is in chaos. I held my nose to vote for wimpy RINOs like Dole, McCain and Romney - they were the lesser of two evils. Now its your turn sissy . man up and vote proudly or be a sheeple under Hillary.

So this guy's vote is the sole decider between Trump winning or not? Wow, no pressure.

this post speaks to an important question though - what is the singular of "sheeple"? Sherson?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:16:45 PM

*sniff*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 09:20:17 PM

"you can rip the baby out of the womb after nine months, on the final day" lmao what the fuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 19, 2016, 09:21:41 PM

YOU CAN RIP THE BABY OUT OF THE WOMB ON THE FINAL DAY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:21:57 PM

What about when the baby rips its way out through your flesh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:22:27 PM

Grab em by the pussy and ripe them out of the womb. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nachobro on October 19, 2016, 09:22:44 PM

isn't the final day when the baby comes out on its own?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:23:07 PM

SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIF

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:23:22 PM

BAD HAMBRES!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:24:26 PM

Did he just say "we got some bad hombres here?" :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:24:35 PM

donald looks awful. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:25:38 PM

Trump is such a goon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:25:57 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 09:24:35 PM

donald looks awful.

Yeah, but what about his debate skills?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:26:18 PM

Dude has no real depth in his answers. Without the blustering he's got nothing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:26:50 PM

He is not getting baited this time  :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:27:33 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 09:26:50 PM

He is not getting baited this time  :(

His face right now says otherwise.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:27:41 PM

Bigly!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:27:50 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:26:18 PM

Dude has no real depth in his answers. Without the blustering he's got nothing.

He's  90% bluster

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:28:07 PM

Obama's secret deportations a bad thing but when I do it it will be great

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:28:40 PM

Country of laws. :salute

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:28:41 PM

Add bigly to a list of words that should be launched into the sun.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 09:31:04 PM

Quote

Americus Citizenus2 • 4 hours ago
LOL !!! :)

But on the serious side, there should be a Class Action Lawsuit by Americans against both Parties demanding that they choose better candidates for President! Why should Americans be forced to choose between Bull Droppings and Cow Droppings?!!! That is NOT a choice!!!

americans want drops like dis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg_Al8XoQeo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg_Al8XoQeo)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:31:23 PM

They want open borders! They want to deport millions!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:31:58 PM

If russia and the united states got alone good, that would be good.  Trump foreign policy. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 09:32:08 PM

"no you're the puppet" lmfaooooo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:32:59 PM

Triggered  :lucas

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 09:33:08 PM

you're the puppet

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:33:20 PM

Trump is getting killed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 09:33:49 PM

oh my god this is hilarious

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:34:05 PM

I don't know Putin

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:34:55 PM

He has one example and keeps trying to make lists. weither is is Syria... you name it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:35:02 PM

he sounds like he's brown-nosing Putin the entire time

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:35:14 PM

WRONG

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 09:35:52 PM

I dunno, Trump got Clinton on that Brazil thing.
lmao, no one gives a shit about the moderator

Finally pointed out Trump is less trusty with nukes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 19, 2016, 09:36:26 PM

lmao

could he suck putin's dick with any more fervor

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:36:59 PM

NO U

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 09:37:51 PM

I'm doing that debate drinking thing and it was a mistake.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:37:53 PM

Moderator laughing at himself that this actually didn't result in a fist fight yet :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:38:21 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 09:37:51 PM

I'm doing that debate drinking thing and it was a mistake.

My first beer sucked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:39:09 PM

this is a slaughter

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:40:29 PM

I thought the conservatives were sex negative? How can they allow Trump sucking Putin's dick on primetime television??

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:40:58 PM

(http://bryehn.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/cobblestonestout.jpg)

this is better

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:41:25 PM

Nato payed because trump wrote a tweet :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 19, 2016, 09:41:48 PM

she will double your taxes with such massive tax increases

edit: did this dude say "obama's regime"? lmao

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:42:13 PM

Great detailed answer about education here  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:42:19 PM

he has completely avoided the tuition question

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:42:59 PM

They've got to pay up, they've got to pay up. All these countries Germany, Saudi Arabia, they have tremendous wealth and they have to pay up. And ive been.. ive been given a lot of credit because you know they have to pay up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:43:43 PM

Hill: "Let me translate that..."

Trump: "You can't."

FUCKING LOL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:44:30 PM

CORRECT :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:44:57 PM

Donald, nobody can. We don't have the decoder ring

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:45:21 PM

this is such a travesty :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:45:52 PM

she said middle out.  I hope she watches Silicon Valley. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:46:30 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 09:45:52 PM

she said middle out.  I hope she watches Silicon Valley.

I wonder how long it would take to jack off all of the men in that room.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 09:47:14 PM

ha trump does really prounounce it "gy-nia" sometimes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 09:47:40 PM

so bad, like so bad, the report, so bad, unbelievably bad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 19, 2016, 09:47:47 PM

Quote from: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:46:30 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 09:45:52 PM

she said middle out.  I hope she watches Silicon Valley.

I wonder how long it would take to jack off all of the men in that room.

Depends on finding the optimum floor to dick ratio.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:48:17 PM

they actually fact checked and they said I was right and his happy face!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 09:50:01 PM

"excuse me - my turn" aahahahahhaha

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:50:03 PM

She's out-alphaing him so bad.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:50:14 PM

BADLY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:50:58 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 09:50:14 PM

BADLY

Bigly

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2016, 09:51:00 PM

Hillary going in tater's deep  :o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:51:20 PM

Goddamn Hilary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:51:51 PM

This decade by decade ether  :o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 09:52:12 PM

ooh, Clinton got him good on that 30 years attack

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:52:15 PM

Fucks sake Killary, at least lube him up first.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:53:04 PM

rape questions now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:53:47 PM

ooooooo that's a bad response.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 09:53:49 PM

awww man, when they said fitness to be president I thought it'd be a fitness test

make them do push ups!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:54:11 PM

those sexual assault stories have not been debunked...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:54:17 PM

I didn't even apologize to my wife :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:54:52 PM

Oof

What is this conspiracy shit lololol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 09:55:10 PM

Please, please, please have a video of Trump groping someone released at 10:35pm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:55:20 PM

what the fucl tape is he talking about?

that o'keefe video?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 09:55:31 PM

Does Trump think he's in one of his echo chamber rallies right now? Because the general public is not gonna buy his bullshit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:56:05 PM

brutal

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 09:56:54 PM

Also, if oppo has a receipt of Trump (via the foundation) buying an abortion, I will shoot my load everywhere

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 09:57:13 PM

"nobody has as much respect for women as I do" now a laugh line by trump :lol:

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:57:20 PM

fiction-lies

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 09:57:44 PM

PIVOT TO THE EMAILS IM DYING

 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 09:58:07 PM

Weak pivot bro. Desperation tier

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 09:58:24 PM

The emails aren't.  a. fucking. story.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 09:58:27 PM

I thought he was about to say her crooked vagina.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:59:19 PM

the mccain name drop good

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 09:59:35 PM

People said Trump would pivot in the general. They were right

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 09:59:54 PM

link to debate mine when down PLEASE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 09:59:56 PM

said wrong the first time, didn't for the rest
knew for once to keep quiet

here
https://www.c-span.org/presidentialDebate/?debate=third

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 10:00:15 PM

Lol just ignored the weak email stab

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 10:00:45 PM

What violence sid she cause at his rallies lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: nudemacusers on October 19, 2016, 10:01:10 PM

ISIS Pleeaasaseeeeeee save me ISIS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 10:01:42 PM

Hillary's gone with the "that's not who we are/that's not what America is" a few times, which I like cause (even if it's kind of a lie) it's inviting people to strongly reject Trump's bullshit.


edit: which is to say I prefer people pushing back against his racism/sexism/xenophobia more than people pushing back at him for personally being a delusional failure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 10:02:37 PM

BICKER BICKER BICKER

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:03:32 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 10:01:42 PM

Hillary's gone with the "that's not who we are/that's not what America is" a few times, which I like cause (even if it's kind of a lie) it's inviting people to strongly reject Trump's bullshit.

yep giving the people the option to vote for optimism is a great idea. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:03:50 PM

isn't all this bullshit regarding the Cliton Foundation horseshit?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:04:03 PM

who does that

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:04:14 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:03:50 PM

isn't all this bullshit regarding the Cliton Foundation horseshit?

If it comes from Trump what do you think

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:05:08 PM

no the money put up the american flag

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:05:46 PM

whew bra

tax returns

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 10:06:06 PM

Damn, Hillary twisting the knife.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:07:11 PM

Wallace gave up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 10:07:34 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:03:50 PM

isn't all this bullshit regarding the Cliton Foundation horseshit?

horses and bulls are not the same, more lieberal lies

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: brawndolicious on October 19, 2016, 10:08:05 PM

AT. THE. TIME.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 10:08:13 PM

Pence be like, damn it stop contradicting me

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:08:14 PM

And there it is
 :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 19, 2016, 10:08:33 PM

they poisoned the mind of our voters just as the mexicans poisoned the blood of our youth.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:09:34 PM

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 10:09:45 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:03:50 PM

isn't all this bullshit regarding the Cliton Foundation horseshit?

I saw a link to a story about the Foundation screwing up with its program in Haiti, but I haven't read it, much less looked for any support or criticism of the article.

Very possible it didn't do a good job in certain cases, humanitarian/developmental aid in poor countries is hard!  Also possible it was mismanaged and took an L it didn't need to.  I have read that it did some fairly good stuff in Africa though, and IIRC it consistently has gotten good ratings from charity evaluators.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:10:23 PM

:lol :lol emmys 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:11:06 PM

BRUTAL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:11:57 PM

WHY ISNT THE AUDIENCE VETTED?

WHERE IS THE EXTREME VETTING?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 10:12:15 PM

Pence stay losing   :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:12:38 PM

Has anything happened yet? I was too busy smoking meth to watch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:13:48 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:12:38 PM

Has anything happened yet? I was too busy smoking meth to watch.

Trump said he wont concede.

Visit your local gun store tonight and stock up on perishables.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:15:21 PM

Oh man, it's the "element of surprise!" argument again. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:15:26 PM

surprise again jesus

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 10:15:57 PM

FAT CHECK: The third Apprentice season and all after the second were not worthy of an Emmy nomination.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 19, 2016, 10:16:50 PM

You want a Mosul? I'll give you a thousand Mosuls. I'll give you the best damn Mosul you've ever seen. A better Mosul than she'll give you, let me tell you.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:17:27 PM

the debate:  just google his lies its so fucking easy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:17:39 PM

Q: Would you put American troops in Iraq after we retake Mosul?

A: Iran has already won, they will get nukes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 10:17:43 PM

I heard big daddy
what was it actually???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:17:48 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 10:15:57 PM

FAT CHECK: The third Apprentice season and all after the second were not worthy of an Emmy nomination.

Was he up against the Amazing Race?

No one fucking beats the Amazing Race

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 10:17:55 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 10:17:27 PM

the debate:  just google his lies its so fucking easy

WRONG

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 10:18:15 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 10:15:57 PM

FAT CHECK: The third Apprentice season and all after the second were not worthy of an Emmy nomination.

WRONG

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: helios on October 19, 2016, 10:18:53 PM

Trump is triggered now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:18:57 PM

Wow Hillary got stuck on speak mode

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:20:04 PM

HAVE YOU SEEN ALEPPO? WERE YOU THERE?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:20:16 PM

HAVE YOU SEEN ALEPO

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 19, 2016, 10:21:07 PM

have you seen aleppo fall

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 10:21:29 PM

Quote from: james on October 19, 2016, 10:20:16 PM

HAVE YOU SEEN ALEPO

She wouldn't be my first choice. Believe me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:21:32 PM

You know if the debates were 4 minutes long Trump might be our next president.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 10:21:38 PM

Did anyone call Sean Hannity? Or Obama's brother?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:22:30 PM

Thanks, Hillybama!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:22:45 PM

THANKS HILLARY

THE GREEKS ARE COMING

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 19, 2016, 10:23:20 PM

"tens of thousands of Syrian refugees who are probably...not probably"

oh, ok he's walking it back

"DEFINITELY ISIS-alligned"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:25:35 PM

The killer was born in Queens.

Like Donald.

Lets be clear who the real threat is.

 :drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:26:16 PM

One of my best friend's just told me "I love Trump's racism."

WTF.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:26:40 PM

We're GDPing bigly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2016, 10:27:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:26:16 PM

One of my best friend's just told me "I love Trump's racism."

WTF.

Please tell me they were one of your hipster ironic fucks

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:27:49 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on October 19, 2016, 10:27:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:26:16 PM

One of my best friend's just told me "I love Trump's racism."

WTF.

Please tell me they were one of your hipster ironic fucks

White midwesterner working in Los Angeles in entertainment.

He stepped back and said "I just like his platform of nationalism."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2016, 10:30:51 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:27:49 PM

Quote from: Mamacint on October 19, 2016, 10:27:09 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:26:16 PM

One of my best friend's just told me "I love Trump's racism."

WTF.

Please tell me they were one of your hipster ironic fucks

White midwesterner working in Los Angeles in entertainment.

He stepped back and said "I just like his platform of nationalism."

 :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:32:32 PM

I'm not 100% shocked.  He's always been that "make racist jokes but bro I'm totally not racist!" kind of guy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:33:38 PM

SO NASTY!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:33:43 PM

nasty woman  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:34:22 PM

what a nasty women

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:35:01 PM

WILDCARD BABY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 10:35:10 PM

Ms Clinton if ya nasty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 10:36:32 PM

so this was his worst performance yet, right?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:37:11 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 19, 2016, 10:36:32 PM

so this was his worst performance yet, right?

His first 3 minutes were good

So its a tossup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 19, 2016, 10:37:11 PM

African Americans, vote for me. You're uneducated, you have no jobs and you shoot each other!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2016, 04:51:36 PM

It's hard for me to take anything you say seriously, Syph, because you claim to actively like Marco Rubio.  :doge

i bought in early breh
 :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Dickie Dee on October 19, 2016, 10:39:13 PM

Hey you Blacks, why don't you stop getting shot and vote for me.

Also, a vote for Hillary is another vote for Obama.

REACH OUT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:39:56 PM

first comment after from everyone (well fox and washing post) is trumps refusal to accept the results. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 10:40:42 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 17, 2016, 11:15:49 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on October 17, 2016, 10:53:34 PM

syph why are you so weird

haha elaborate hombre

Quote from: Syph on October 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2016, 04:51:36 PM

It's hard for me to take anything you say seriously, Syph, because you claim to actively like Marco Rubio.  :doge

i bought in early breh
 :fbm

yeah that and the eminem thing, you're fuckin weird bro

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:41:20 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 10:39:56 PM

first comment after from everyone (well fox and washing post) is trumps refusal to accept the results.

+nasty woman

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 10:41:23 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ZKiG0X2.png)

 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 19, 2016, 10:45:38 PM

Instead of watching the debate, I played Star Ocean 2.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:47:06 PM

Hilary staying in front of the cameras.  Smart nasty women.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: El Babua on October 19, 2016, 10:47:40 PM

Yeah, decided to hit the gym tonight. Glad Clinton had a good debate/Trump being Trump.

Quote from: Syph on October 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2016, 04:51:36 PM

It's hard for me to take anything you say seriously, Syph, because you claim to actively like Marco Rubio.  :doge

i bought in early breh
 :fbm

He is a fan of the hip hop.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

If the GOP wasn't a shitshow and actually showed some humanity in their policies, I think Rubio would be a very likable candidate.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: Syph on October 19, 2016, 10:48:01 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on October 19, 2016, 10:40:42 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 17, 2016, 11:15:49 PM

Quote from: seagrams hotsauce on October 17, 2016, 10:53:34 PM

syph why are you so weird

haha elaborate hombre

Quote from: Syph on October 19, 2016, 10:38:07 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on October 19, 2016, 04:51:36 PM

It's hard for me to take anything you say seriously, Syph, because you claim to actively like Marco Rubio.  :doge

i bought in early breh
 :fbm

yeah that and the eminem thing, you're fuckin weird bro

Make Syph Great Again shirts coming to a store near you

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: OnlyRegret on October 19, 2016, 10:49:41 PM

AHAHAHAHA
That call-in with the infowars plug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 19, 2016, 10:49:59 PM

Trump's vision of black Americans is basically
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BicNu9y_hx4

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:rejoice

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 10:51:07 PM

Quote

Here's a list of the 85 slogan possibilities that Clinton campaign consultants floated in August 2015

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvJvPEBVIAA2yYZ.jpg)

Quote

Not sure about this task specifically, but the campaign has paid Benenson, the firm that crafted the list, more than $3.5 mil this cycle

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: El Babua on October 19, 2016, 10:53:33 PM

STRENGTH AND FAIRNESS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Vizzys on October 19, 2016, 10:54:43 PM

quick on that thread title i see

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:55:06 PM

Stronger at home seems like a 1984 slogan

Together we're strong. WHAT ABOUT TOMORROW

You earned a fair shot.  2nd amendment!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 10:55:18 PM

Interviewing voters now.  Why are Americans so dumb? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 10:56:48 PM

America gets strong when you get ahead American strength for American families a strong America one family at a time. Next begins with you.

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-@realDonaldTrump

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: bork on October 19, 2016, 10:57:54 PM

That last debate really lacked the magic levels of absurdity that the last one had.   Same song and dance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on October 19, 2016, 10:58:12 PM

HOLY SHIT AT THE SPIN.

Trump team is saying "Gore contested the election results"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 19, 2016, 10:58:18 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 10:55:18 PM

Interviewing voters now.  Why are Americans so dumb?

Because of our exceptionalism, we can't admit when we are wrong because we are immediately dismissed. Hanging on a lie is perceived by some as patriotic even though it's pure bullshit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: brawndolicious on October 19, 2016, 10:58:45 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 10:55:18 PM

Interviewing voters now.  Why are Americans so dumb?

Because they could only interview the undecideds? Most people tuned in for entertainment.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 11:01:15 PM

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/788934010810540032

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 19, 2016, 11:01:19 PM

https://youtu.be/6NEKzLiXfuc?t=1m1s

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 19, 2016, 11:01:36 PM

no YOU'RE the puppet

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 11:02:53 PM

:lol trump campaign person just said there is no evidence but suspicion of Clinton having the women come forward on him :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 11:05:32 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 11:01:15 PM

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/788934010810540032

Look how weak Hillary is, definitely not American stronger with our families together for my time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 19, 2016, 11:06:31 PM

:lol women on wp stream, I lost my business under Obama because of taxes so I'm voting trump 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 19, 2016, 11:19:07 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 11:05:32 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 19, 2016, 11:01:15 PM

https://twitter.com/FiveThirtyEight/status/788934010810540032

Look how weak Hillary is, definitely not American stronger with our families together for my time.

Not weak. Not weak. You're weak.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 11:23:24 PM

Meanwhile, back when our politics were issue-centered and elections weren't rigged:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBCQXf2A0ss

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dlnt9maBJA

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PPP polls!
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/acorn.html
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 19, 2016, 11:37:41 PM

Quote from: james on October 19, 2016, 10:55:06 PM

Stronger at home seems like a 1984 slogan

surprised they didn't go with it then
:letsfukk

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 11:38:59 PM

tbh I feel like those questions PPP loves to ask can be...  I dunno.  Like a lot of people hear the question and just see a way to express their dislike of Obama/Democrats/whatever without solidly believing in the answer they're giving, like people saying they think Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer.

Which isn't to diminish the craziness that's come out of the chain e-mail/Facebook meme echo chamber, just saying.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 11:40:47 PM

John Kerry already used it and a variation:
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/511EV2YY01L.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3d/Kerry_edwards_new_pic.png)

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MAKING THEIR CASE

Day Four: Thursday

• Theme: "Stronger at Home, Respected in the World"

Bob Shrum claims Paul Begala came up with it.

This was my favorite one though:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b4/John_Kerry_real_deal.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 11:45:37 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 19, 2016, 11:38:59 PM

like people saying they think Ted Cruz is the Zodiac Killer.

But some people are saying, I don't know, it's just what I've heard being said, wouldn't be smoke without fire, I'm just saying, right know we don't know what's going on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 20, 2016, 12:03:08 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvLbVRLUsAIKv_b.jpg)

Donald/Ronald, same difference

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2016, 12:04:16 AM

If only there was some kind of a charity to make paintings of Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 20, 2016, 12:08:21 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 20, 2016, 12:04:16 AM

If only there was some kind of a charity to make paintings of Trump.

Actually, the likeness of Donald J Trump was painted to give inspiration to the dirty poors. Don't be such a nasty woman.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 12:12:15 AM

Donald is a clown.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 12:13:18 AM

do you get paid to be in a frank luntz focus group

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| I have the weirdest Ken Bone right now
Post by: thisismyusername on October 20, 2016, 12:29:18 AM

Quote from: james on October 19, 2016, 10:35:01 PM

WILDCARD BABY

YEEEEE-HAWWWW! "He cut the party cables!"

https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/788924213486911488

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 12:42:04 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 12:13:18 AM

do you get paid to be in a frank luntz focus group

$7.25 an hr.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 12:49:24 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-rJiPIqGhg

Donna Brazile seems to be under the impression that Megyn's first name is Kelly, among other issues like remembering her talking points.

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I think she says "go to Russia" at the end :lol

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Donna not having a great night:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-JChl8w6oQ

EDIT: MARK CUBAN SIGHTING

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 20, 2016, 12:57:18 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 19, 2016, 11:23:24 PM

Meanwhile, back when our politics were issue-centered and elections weren't rigged:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dlnt9maBJA

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PPP polls!
http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2009/11/acorn.html
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/main/2012/12/republicans-not-handling-election-results-well.html

http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud

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Trump's m.o. has pretty much been taking the tactics and rhetoric that the GOP(and Democrats) have been slowly ramping up for over a decade and just jumped it up several notches on every front.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 01:02:35 AM

this young turks guy creating all kinds of problems in the spin room with his pro-trump russian propaganda
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCbzX9WETL0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adsjkSv979U

all the name sign holders always look miserable

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 01:28:26 AM

donna brazile is about as stable a talker as christopher reeve is a runner

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2016, 01:29:11 AM

https://youtu.be/Z13Hn8G6Crk

https://youtu.be/jpV8y9aTZ_g

https://youtu.be/_jeZo8RNPhM

 :aah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 01:41:27 AM

"Sorry, I said I'd shut up didn't I?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 01:48:23 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKDA-Bgocjw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 02:14:50 AM

there are no words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMlEY3nuPjU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 02:17:42 AM

"that sucks" :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 20, 2016, 02:28:07 AM

Watching a triggered Trump verbally jerk off Putin for several minutes in a national debate - as the Republican nominee for president - was just :lawd


The party a few years ago that practically looked post coital in every interview after Russia went into Ukraine, like they re-ignited the flames with a long lost lover,  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gM2tebmXkw) had to endure the face of their party turn into a beta cuck toward her in front of the world.  :rejoice


... Shame Trump had to overshadow it by jumping into the trap he knew was coming about conceding in defeat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 02:35:23 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 02:17:42 AM

"that sucks" :lol

beyond fucked

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 02:44:36 AM

they should have aired this instead of the real thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-zyolwHazg

way shorter too

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 20, 2016, 03:00:32 AM

syph so woke thank you based syph for exposing these atrocities

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 03:56:27 AM

#staywoke

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 20, 2016, 06:52:42 AM

It's crazy how Trump is unable to tone down his shittiness at all to appeal to the general electorate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 20, 2016, 07:12:01 AM

Maybe he doesnt want to be president and is just building a fanbase

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 07:15:14 AM

Or maybe Trump doesn't have a secret plan and is simply Donald Trump acting as he always has acted, impulsively and with no ability for self-reflection or to concede he did something wrong.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 20, 2016, 07:15:38 AM

I don't buy it. He's too conceited and petty to lose on purpose.

It's amazing that someone this stupid was able to play the GOP establishment so well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 20, 2016, 07:35:07 AM

Its just hard to believe that someone can be that dumb and not post on neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2016, 08:35:35 AM

Seemed like early on Trump was meeting the very low bar the media has set for him. He kinda answered questions and was reserved, which is enough to pass the test. But the he longer it went on he once again started imploding with really weird tantrums.

Clinton evading the question on the Clinton Foundation was so ugly yet she managed to pivot to Putin and while it initially seemed like Trump wouldn't take the bait, he jumped on it the minute her attacks got sharper.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 09:00:52 AM

Quote from: curly on October 20, 2016, 07:15:38 AM

I don't buy it. He's too conceited and petty to lose on purpose.

Have you ever been around a rich person? Their ego overshadows reality.

Quote from: curly on October 20, 2016, 07:15:38 AM

It's amazing that someone this stupid was able to play the GOP establishment so well.

He had the most money and that's all that matters to the base.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on October 20, 2016, 09:18:27 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 09:00:52 AM

He had the most money and that's all that matters to the base.

Is that what got him through all the primaries and party debates?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 09:31:21 AM

Quote from: zomgee on October 20, 2016, 09:18:27 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 09:00:52 AM

He had the most money and that's all that matters to the base.

Is that what got him through all the primaries and party debates?

Yes, surprisingly. Though it's odd he never did mentioned his wealth or business success during the primaries.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2016, 09:33:09 AM

Trump was helped tremendously by the primary debate format [large amount of participants rather than 1v1] and his primary opponents being completely thrown off by his behavior. By the time the general came around, Hillary's team had everything they needed to induce him to hurt himself.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2016, 10:24:22 AM

I don't trust Americans enough to say I never felt he would win. I think there were a few key periods where if he did something slightly differently than he did, he would have had a chance.

Thank God, its Donald Trump and he didn't have the ego or temperament to do that. Any non-jackass would have understand he had to moderate himself just a little. But once things started going badly he eagerly fell back on his worst instincts. The ones that worked in the GOP primary but don't work in the general election when the viewing audience isn't just a bunch of bitter deranged cranks. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 10:33:21 AM

Wait, so the "Silent Majority" is still just the old loud minority?  :heh

October surprise!!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on October 20, 2016, 10:39:46 AM

Trump is lucky.

His debate disaster will go unnoticed as the world focuses their attention on a new Splatoon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on October 20, 2016, 11:15:50 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/oSzWJ90.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 11:25:01 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on October 20, 2016, 09:55:13 AM

Also an audience of crazies and some of the most milquetoast opponents possible trying to appeal to the same crazies. The GOP base exists in another world and always has, a vocal minority of the public that only contributed to it's alienation.

This is basically it.  Trump's shtick was very appealing to lots of GOP primary voters, but even then it was already alienating him from the people who'd be voting in the general.  Barring a sharp, well-timed recession or some other fluke, he's been setting himself up for failure on the next level.

Donald Trump is a system quarterback.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on October 20, 2016, 11:53:44 AM

TUUUUUNE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7KtZDwLkfU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trurl on October 20, 2016, 12:09:33 PM

I think that in the unlikely event that Trump loses he will give the most gracious concession speech of all time.   

Seriously, while anything is possible the most likely event imo is everyone be surprised at how humble, gracious and fair he sounds in his concession.   He'll go back to being a turd within 24 hours of that, though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 20, 2016, 12:26:18 PM

Nope, he will fan the outrage of Crooked Hillary winning and then monetize that outrage

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on October 20, 2016, 12:31:03 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/0zAph52.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trurl on October 20, 2016, 12:31:08 PM

Probably, but first he'll surprise everyone and try to buy some goodwill with a concession speech.

There's a chance that he'll start with "Hillary is an honorable woman" and end with "CRY HAVOC AND LET SLIP THE DOGS OF WAR" though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Kara on October 20, 2016, 12:36:11 PM

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/you-dont-see-dred-scott-cited-approvingly-everyday/

Just to kind of show where we're at as a nation right now, the Solicitor General of Kansas cited Dred Scott in a court filing. Yes, that Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 12:53:02 PM

Man, the author of that article even stole what would've been my post about it.

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An interesting side story here is that an anti-abortion stance would choose to cite Dred Scott approvingly since it’s a shibboleth in those circles to reject Dred Scott as a proxy for Roe. Seems like Brownback’s people got some wires crossed when it comes to anti-abortion etiquette.

edit: Also the argument in general seems to be that even though equal rights are explicitly included in the KS state constitution (not just in the preamble, but in its bill of rights), because they didn't include the phrase "due process of the law" they're basically null and void.  C'mon now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2016, 12:59:55 PM

After the debate my friends and I drunkenly decided that young John McCain was the hottest when he was young of the current crop of politicians.

(http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_01_2010/post-9425-1264735690.jpg)

Biden was second. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 20, 2016, 01:10:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQ60OUgdr_A

So begins the blamescaping of how Trump was nominated.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 01:18:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 20, 2016, 12:59:55 PM

After the debate my friends and I drunkenly decided that young John McCain was the hottest when he was young of the current crop of politicians.

(http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_01_2010/post-9425-1264735690.jpg)

Biden was second.

(http://poorrichardsnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/paul-ryan-workout.png)

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lol kills me everytime

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2016, 01:21:11 PM

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3055391 (http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3055391)
Trump will accept the results "if he wins" in case you were wondering if he was going to walk back last night (he's not).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 20, 2016, 01:37:32 PM

Quote from: Trurl on October 20, 2016, 12:09:33 PM

I think that in the unlikely event that Trump loses

:what

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 20, 2016, 01:37:34 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcCg5U6361Y

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 01:40:18 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 20, 2016, 12:36:11 PM

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/you-dont-see-dred-scott-cited-approvingly-everyday/

Just to kind of show where we're at as a nation right now, the Solicitor General of Kansas cited Dred Scott in a court filing. Yes, that Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas).

Why not this Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education)? Always with the negative portrayals of American history. :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2016, 01:47:38 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 11:25:01 AM

Donald Trump is a system quarterback.

No wonder Tom Brady is a fan.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 01:48:33 PM

Oh that reminds me, Kara, the defunct Natural Law Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_Law_Party_(United_States))* still has a ballot line in Michigan.

The Socialist Party USA grabbed it this year. I could vote for that social fascist sell out Mimi Soltysik.

Quote

(http://i0.wp.com/www.rev16.us/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/cropped-12087174_769275449851388_1153401222949221409_o.jpg?w=512)

The campaign’s focus throughout the upcoming year will not be on the candidates. The campaign’s focus will be on you. You are the mother, the father, the student, the worker. You are the community — the community that fights for the breath of dignity as the boot of oppression digs its heel into your throat – and you are the sacred, essential ingredient necessary for liberation. Capitalism and its defenders tremble when contemplating your power. That fear makes us smile, as we are seeing the dawn of a new era of equality, peace, and justice peeking over the horizon. Its light heals our collective wounds. It is the light of socialism.

How will this campaign be able to contribute toward the revolutionary movement? We can start by listening. We will do our best to soothe fears. As those new to the ideas seek guidance in finding movement work to plug into locally, we can use our resources to help them find a home. We can help to connect those currently involved in the revolutionary struggle, working to build new working relationships that sustain. We can offer compassion to the aching backs of the movement. We will not mince words as we attack capitalism. Our goal is not reform. Our goal is not a kinder, gentler, greener oppression.

This campaign is not a photo-op. This campaign is about a revolution, and this is a revolution about a shared love of the planet and its people. It begins with you. You are here for a reason. We are here for a reason. Our unity is mighty. ‪#‎REV16‬

With love and respect,

Mimi Soltysik & Angela Nicole Walker

I mean they do have a cute kitty in their logo:
(http://i.imgur.com/MEBeXHe.png)

But yet he also has this tattoo:
(http://i2.wp.com/www.rev16.us/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/eat-the-rich.png?w=617)

*

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The party proposed that political problems could be solved through alignment with the "Unified Field" of all the laws of nature through the use of the Transcendental Meditation and TM-Sidhi programs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2016, 02:12:43 PM

https://twitter.com/double_cupp_me/status/789088080426831872

(http://i.imgur.com/BZx1brH.png)

pd explain

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 02:26:57 PM

So a FB friend posted this (http://www.charismanews.com/politics/primaries/56703-donald-trump-is-a-central-figure-in-this-prophecy) unironically today.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2016, 02:36:16 PM

I now think less of you knowing the friends you keep. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 20, 2016, 02:36:21 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 20, 2016, 01:21:11 PM

http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3055391 (http://www.snappytv.com/tc/3055391)
Trump will accept the results "if he wins" in case you were wondering if he was going to walk back last night (he's not).

(http://i.imgur.com/HvLAOBC.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 20, 2016, 02:39:34 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 02:26:57 PM

So a FB friend posted this (http://www.charismanews.com/politics/primaries/56703-donald-trump-is-a-central-figure-in-this-prophecy) unironically today.

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America will be respected once again as the most powerful and prosperous nation on earth, (other than Israel)

I need a :doge with a yarmulke

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 20, 2016, 02:46:46 PM

Quote from: Trurl on October 20, 2016, 12:09:33 PM

I think that in the unlikely event that Trump loses he will give the most gracious concession speech of all time.   

Seriously, while anything is possible the most likely event imo is everyone be surprised at how humble, gracious and fair he sounds in his concession.   He'll go back to being a turd within 24 hours of that, though.

 :whoo

:huh

 :aah


 :ohyou

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 03:00:32 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2016, 02:12:43 PM

https://twitter.com/double_cupp_me/status/789088080426831872

(http://i.imgur.com/BZx1brH.png)

pd explain

:dead

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Post by: Kara on October 20, 2016, 03:10:12 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 01:40:18 PM

Quote from: Kara on October 20, 2016, 12:36:11 PM

http://abovethelaw.com/2016/10/you-dont-see-dred-scott-cited-approvingly-everyday/

Just to kind of show where we're at as a nation right now, the Solicitor General of Kansas cited Dred Scott in a court filing. Yes, that Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas).

Why not this Kansas (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_v._Board_of_Education)? Always with the negative portrayals of American history. :usacry

I know you know why I linked it, but for our international audience (or our American and educated in the American public education system audience) it's worth pointing out that the government of a state that was very much a product of the struggle against Slave Power is citing in court a case like Dred Scott.

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Post by: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 03:12:36 PM

Ah, Bleeding Kansas, a sort of prelude to the Civil War where two sides fought a pitched battle over tariffs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2016, 03:16:01 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 03:12:36 PM

Ah, Bleeding Kansas, a sort of prelude to the Civil War where two sides fought a pitched battle over tariffs.

It was actually about ethics in states' rights.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 03:49:22 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 02:26:57 PM

So a FB friend posted this (http://www.charismanews.com/politics/primaries/56703-donald-trump-is-a-central-figure-in-this-prophecy) unironically today.

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Is Taylor right? Wiles explored that question, and all of the retired firefighter's prophecy in detail during the 68-minute program

i don't have time for this, i need a yes or no

the link for that didn't go to the interview but instead linked to a page with this:

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“Guilty As Sin” also reveals details about Hillary’s health issues, not least of which is her five public fainting spells, and the shocking disclosure that she needs a heart-valve replacement.

Klein also briefly outlined the meeting between Bill Clinton and U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch in her airplane on the tarmac. Mr. Clinton reputedly asked his legal advisor if it would be wise to try to board Ms. Lynch’s plane, and Mr. Clinton’s legal counsel effectively said he had nothing to lose by trying and everything to gain. After Mr. Clinton was on board, Ms. Lynch must have realized the folly of her actions because she began to tremble, and beads of sweat formed on her lip.

She needs that replacement because of all the tremendous hatred running through it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: thisismyusername on October 20, 2016, 04:40:16 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 20, 2016, 12:59:55 PM

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/uploads//monthly_01_2010/post-9425-1264735690.jpg

:leon

Navy, too. He probably has seen his fair share of seamen. :doge

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Post by: studyguy on October 20, 2016, 05:03:35 PM

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-et-ms-janet-jackson-nasty-20161020-snap-story.html

Ay man, as far as themes headed out of the election, this is okay.
:yeshrug

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 20, 2016, 05:47:55 PM

what's going to happen is that Hillary is going to blow Trump out of the water. And the Trumpites are going to be like "No one's ever lost this bad before! That proves it's fraud!"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2016, 06:12:20 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 20, 2016, 05:47:55 PM

what's going to happen is that Hillary is going to blow Trump out of the water. And the Trumpites are going to be like "No one's ever lost this bad before! That proves it's fraud!"

Hence why they're focusing on outlier polls (Ras, LAT) and ignoring aggregates. Same shit they did in 2012 but whereas republicans (even Hannity!) admitted the polls were right after that election this time I expect Trump and his fiercest supporters to claim fraud.

That being said I think it'll be a pretty small crowd. I don't see Chris Christie, Mike Pence, and others carrying Trump's water anymore once he loses. So it'll be Trump, Don Jr, Hannity, and other burnouts claiming the election was rigged, and the base will believe.

At the end of the day this is a monster republicans created. Not just fringe republicans. Establishment republicans gave them aide and comfort with the obsession over ACORN, NBPP, assaulting the VRA, voter ID fuckery, etc.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2016, 06:59:03 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 20, 2016, 05:47:55 PM

what's going to happen is that Hillary is going to blow Trump out of the water. And the Trumpites are going to be like "No one's ever lost this bad before! That proves it's fraud!"

I hope they bravely take over a fish hatchery until Hillary concedes or the snacks run out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 20, 2016, 07:33:19 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2016, 06:59:03 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 20, 2016, 05:47:55 PM

what's going to happen is that Hillary is going to blow Trump out of the water. And the Trumpites are going to be like "No one's ever lost this bad before! That proves it's fraud!"

I hope they bravely take over a fish hatchery until Hillary concedes or the snacks run out.

WOLVERINES!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 20, 2016, 08:04:49 PM

Hey guys, remember when AiA used to post in this thread :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 20, 2016, 08:09:36 PM

Or MTW

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Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 08:31:01 PM

Or FOC :noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 20, 2016, 08:47:38 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 20, 2016, 02:26:57 PM

So a FB friend posted this (http://www.charismanews.com/politics/primaries/56703-donald-trump-is-a-central-figure-in-this-prophecy) unironically today.

:rofl

Any attempt to tie trump with religion is fucking amazing.

It's like them willingly putting a 'fake christian' sticker on their forehead. They have no fucking clue about the teachings of Christ.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 20, 2016, 09:08:19 PM

(https://i.sli.mg/g6L7XP.png)

https://twitter.com/ObamaMalik/status/789255535765970944

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on October 20, 2016, 09:17:07 PM

What the fuck is this?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 09:34:16 PM

Trump and Hillary not bad at Al Smith dinner

EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9n7g8rTiaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjPQ82vTaes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 09:35:24 PM

Meanwhile in more Kansas news:
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article109448412.html

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A Kansas House leader said Thursday that her intent was to criticize Planned Parenthood when she called Adolf Hitler’s words profound in a Facebook post.

“Great quote from Hitler in the video,” Speaker Pro Tem Peggy Mast, R-Emporia, the No. 3 Republican in the Kansas House, posted to her Facebook page Thursday morning. “Please listen to it closely. His words are profound! Let’s start using discernment.”

Mast, who is not seeking re-election, did not return phone calls. She did, however, take to social media to clarify her position.

She said in another Facebook post that her intent was to compare Planned Parenthood, the country’s largest reproductive health provider, to the Nazi leader and that she “was not in any way agreeing with Hitler’s words.”

Mast’s initial post did not contain a video. An hour later, she shared a link to an article from JulieRoys.com, a Christian blog. The article included a transcript and video of anti-abortion activist Gianna Jessen testifying before Congress about Planned Parenthood.

During her testimony, Jessen quoted Hitler on propaganda, contending that Planned Parenthood used techniques similar to those of the Nazis.

“The receptivity of the masses is very limited, their intelligence is small, but their power of forgetting is enormous. In consequence of these facts, all effective propaganda must be limited to a very few points and must harp on these in slogans until the last member of the public understands what you want him to understand by your slogan,” Hitler said in the quotation.

Mast’s initial post puzzled Christie Krieghauser, House Speaker Ray Merrick’s chief of staff.

“Sorry, I’m confused,” Krieghauser wrote. “What video and how is there a great quote from Hitler?” She said that based on her relationship with Mast she had a hard time believing the lawmaker intended to praise Hitler.

Mast’s perceived praise for the leader of the Third Reich, who ordered the slaughter of 6 million Jews, drew sharp criticism.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 09:38:55 PM

Meanwhile, in pop star news:
http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/301780-madonna-pledges-oral-sex-for-clinton-voters

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Madonna is pledging to perform oral sex on voters who cast their ballots for Hillary Clinton.

The pop queen, known for her shocking antics, made the remark Tuesday while opening for comedian Amy Schumer in New York.

“If you vote for Hillary Clinton,” Madonna told the crowd at Madison Square Garden, “I will give you a blow job.”

“And I’m good,” the 58-year-old “Like a Virgin” singer, an outspoken supporter of the Democratic presidential nominee, said to cheers from the audience.

“I’m not a tool. I take my time,” Madonna boasted.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 09:52:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOcQEcwFkX0

 :rofl

spoiler (click to show/hide)

come on billy let's go

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 20, 2016, 09:58:11 PM

Billy is such a weasel. 

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Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 10:10:32 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 20, 2016, 06:12:20 PM

Hence why they're focusing on outlier polls (Ras, LAT) and ignoring aggregates.

ahem: http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/campaign/301220-you-cant-trust-polls-clintons-winning-but-our-polling-methods-are

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To start with something basic, opinion polls are really about “opinions,” not actions. At their best, they can tell us how people feel about political issues and personalities. Do voters, for instance, like or dislike candidates such as Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump?

Yet having an opinion and acting on it are two different things. Barely 6 in 10 voting-age American citizens turn out for presidential elections. Ascertaining the opinions of 100 citizens is just a start. Now you have to determine which 60 of them actually take the time to mark a ballot. They are the “likely voters.” They are the only ones that count. But to find them is no easy chore.

It is ingrained in all of us that voting is civic duty. So nearly all of us say, oh yes, I’ll vote, and then many will not follow through. Miscalculations of which respondents will turn out to vote can easily screw up a poll prediction

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So hold off on trusting poll-driven proclamations of a Clinton victory just yet. Voters have a way of always getting the last word. 

http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/helmut_norpoth_donald_trump_victory.html
http://primarymodel.com/

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It is 87% to 99% certain that Donald Trump will win the presidential election on November 8, 2016; 87% if running against Hillary Clinton, 99% if against Bernie Sanders.

(http://i.imgur.com/2FguyzZ.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 20, 2016, 11:06:06 PM

HRC to Trump at the dinner tonight:
"Let's focus on what brings us together and rip on Ted Cruz"
 :sabu

Trump earlier in the night:
"Hillary isn't laughing with the rest of us because she was given the jokes before the event by Donna Brazile"
 :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 11:25:21 PM

Hillary: "And if Donald does win, it'll be awkward at the annual President's Day photo, when all the former Presidents gather at the White House, and not just with Bill, how is Barack going to get past the Muslim ban?"

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 20, 2016, 11:34:24 PM

Trump ended up getting booed quite a bit. :heh

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 20, 2016, 11:40:08 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djdzZ76YIQM

omg Terry Tate :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 11:43:43 PM

(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iEOojcApfRtA/v2/-1x-1.jpg)
(https://assets.bwbx.io/images/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/iTNfofli5mFs/v0/-1x-1.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 21, 2016, 12:00:27 AM

Who the fuck is al smith besides the most generic white name?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 12:02:40 AM

Democratic nominee in 1928, first Catholic presidential nominee.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2016, 12:16:52 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 12:02:40 AM

Democratic nominee in 1928, first Catholic presidential nominee.

well whoopdeedoo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 12:40:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csStUq5qVCE

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Post by: Raist on October 21, 2016, 03:19:56 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 09:34:16 PM

Trump and Hillary not bad at Al Smith dinner

EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9n7g8rTiaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjPQ82vTaes

Sorry what were they talking about? All I saw was a red dress.

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Post by: sarslip on October 21, 2016, 01:58:33 PM

maria bartiromo tho  :phil

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2016, 06:49:40 PM

https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/789584013878890496
@mandark
@kara

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 10:03:32 PM

http://www.vox.com/world/2016/10/20/13346242/trump-russia-hacking-third-debate

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Trump’s attempts to cast doubt on Russian involvement in the hacks aren’t harmless. In fact, they’re helping Vladimir Putin cast doubt on the legitimacy of American democracy itself.

Quote

The press, by signal-boosting these disclosures, makes these accusations more credible to voters who don’t really understand that these disclosures, however problematic, don’t bear on the fundamental fairness of the November election.

Quote

Trump reads reporting on the WikiLeaks disclosures because they make Clinton look bad — he has literally said “I love WikiLeaks” on the stump. He then cites the disclosures as proof that Clinton is fundamentally corrupt and only a corrupt system could elect her.

And then he covers up the fact that the whole thing is a Russian operation aimed to do exactly that, despite the overwhelming evidence to the controversy. This magnifies the damage done by the disclosures, as they’d be easier to dismiss if everyone agreed that it was a Russian plot against America.

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 10:21:46 PM

http://imgur.com/a/UYhil

excellent

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 10:31:00 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvQXMn5UMAIDbzH.jpg)

please understand revise

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2016, 10:32:44 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/789646178178695168
:drudge

game over liberals

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 21, 2016, 11:43:35 PM

He double spaces after a period like he’s type writing his tweets.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2016, 11:49:18 PM

https://twitter.com/CalmTomb/status/789526875957760004

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 22, 2016, 01:19:20 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 21, 2016, 10:32:44 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/789646178178695168
:drudge

game over liberals

Stop making me give this shitface clicks

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Rufus on October 22, 2016, 06:19:03 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 21, 2016, 11:43:35 PM

He double spaces after a period like he’s type writing his tweets.

I see people do it here too. So that's where that comes from.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2016, 07:58:27 AM

He's back just in time for the holidays! (http://www.theadvocate.com/acadiana/news/politics/article_e91198ce-9714-11e6-bf77-d3ce4f75511e.html)

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John Kennedy and Foster Campbell lead the field in the race to qualify for the U.S. Senate runoff less than three weeks before Election Day, an independent poll showed Thursday.

But the biggest news from the poll by Raycom Media may be that David Duke scored just high enough to qualify for the final televised debate during the Senate primary, to be held on Nov. 2 at Dillard University in New Orleans.

“That’s amazing,” Duke said when he learned that he will be invited to participate in the debate, which will be held at the historically black university. He said he planned to attend but expressed concerns about security.

“Dillard is pretty supportive of Black Lives Matter, and I’ve been pretty critical of them,” Duke said.

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Kennedy, the Republican state treasurer, had 24.2 percent while Campbell, a Democratic member of the Public Service Commission, received 18.9 percent, in a poll taken for Raycom by Mason-Dixon Polling & Research.

Essentially tied for third place at about 11 percent were Caroline Fayard, a Democratic attorney from New Orleans; U.S. Rep. Charles Boustany, a Republican from Lafayette; and U.S. Rep. John Fleming, a Republican from the northwest Louisiana town of Minden.

..

Duke made the 5 percent debate cutoff, albeit barely with 5.1 percent, but Maness fell short with 3.4 percent.

He's been pretty critical of Black Lives Matter, guys. They might not like that.

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Post by: agrajag on October 22, 2016, 08:14:22 AM

Why would a former grand wizard be critical of BLM?  :huh

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Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2016, 08:32:59 AM

ahem, he's a "race realist" now please stop bringing up his youthful indiscretions

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Post by: agrajag on October 22, 2016, 09:03:13 AM

Like Trump's youthful indiscretions when that sociopath Billy Bush goaded him into saying he likes to grope women's vaginas? Boys will be boys.

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Post by: Mupepe on October 22, 2016, 09:05:31 AM

agrajag, I really don't ever want you to change your avatar

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 22, 2016, 11:29:50 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 22, 2016, 09:05:31 AM

agrajag, I really don't ever want you to change your avatar

Says the man that changed his avatar from the finest avatar in existence

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Post by: Mupepe on October 22, 2016, 11:41:09 AM

I changed it back! But now I've paid the price for hotlinking

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on October 22, 2016, 11:48:19 AM

Better now?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 22, 2016, 12:40:48 PM

that's not charlotte church! :brazilcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Freyj on October 22, 2016, 01:07:01 PM

http://www.travelandleisure.com/hotels-resorts/trump-scion-hotels

His whole existence is tied to having his name in gaudy gold on the side of big buildings.

Christmas came early.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

and so did I

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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2016, 02:07:00 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/donald-trump-threatens-sue-accusers-after-election

“All of these liars will be sued after the election,” Trump claimed, alleging that the 10 women who have so far accused him of unwanted advances came forward “to hurt my campaign.”

The Trump team billed the speech, held in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania in honor of Abraham Lincoln’s address, as an opportunity to lay out his top priorities.

Accusing the media and Clinton campaign of recruiting his accusers to smear his reputation, Trump said the stories of “these liars” were told with “virtually no fact checking whatsoever.”

“We’ll find out about their involvement at a later date through litigation,” Trump charged.

“I’m looking so forward to doing that,” the Republican nominee told the approving crowd.

I see no way that this could possibly backfire!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 22, 2016, 03:16:27 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 22, 2016, 02:41:42 PM

Holy shit.

I wonder if this means more women will come forward. I mean think about it. On the one hand it must be frightening to hear that, but there's strength in numbers. I can imagine more women will come forward to show support for the women that already came forward.

20 Total accusers by the end of October is my guess. :doge

That or they will stay silent out of fear. If there are more victims, i hope you are right and they come forward.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2016, 06:56:56 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvYmF8AUsAAL2fj.jpg)
video
https://twitter.com/WordOnRd/status/789871098183639044?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

mobb deep blasting in the White House. we made it
(http://i.imgur.com/vxqNSX7.png)

spoiler (click to show/hide)

how long before :oreilly weighs in

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Post by: toku on October 22, 2016, 07:52:54 PM

lol we never getting another black president

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Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2016, 07:54:07 PM

having crass parties like that in the people's house smh so disgraceful

he probably let them all put their feet on the people's desk too

i can't even imagine how many people were wearing jeans

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 22, 2016, 07:54:30 PM

Bill Clinton:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvZ-iq4UsAA9r1G.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 22, 2016, 08:40:58 PM

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/tv/tv-guy/os-oprah-endorses-hillary-there-is-no-choice-20161021-story.html

game over

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Boogie on October 22, 2016, 11:50:36 PM

Quote from: toku on October 22, 2016, 07:52:54 PM

lol we never getting another black president

No Brooker 2024?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 22, 2016, 11:56:39 PM

God I hope not.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2016, 11:59:23 PM

Quote from: Boogie on October 22, 2016, 11:50:36 PM

Quote from: toku on October 22, 2016, 07:52:54 PM

lol we never getting another black president

No Brooker 2024?

Nah, Michelle Obama is gonna be the next black President.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 23, 2016, 09:54:31 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 22, 2016, 09:05:31 AM

agrajag, I really don't ever want you to change your avatar

dang, I was thinking of retiring it soon. Probably after the election is over

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2016, 11:01:25 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 23, 2016, 09:54:31 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 22, 2016, 09:05:31 AM

agrajag, I really don't ever want you to change your avatar

dang, I was thinking of retiring it soon. Probably after the election is over

It's already over. :dead

(http://i.imgur.com/H94ZE7E.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 23, 2016, 12:12:15 PM

obviously rigged

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2016, 02:02:25 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL2mLe-B6Nn/

Obama :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Let's Cyber on October 23, 2016, 02:15:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2016, 11:01:25 AM

It's already over. :dead

(http://i.imgur.com/H94ZE7E.jpg)

IDK what this "ABC News" is but this dubiously sourced and inaccurate poll doesn't even include future president and Mormon savior Sir Evan McMullin :wag

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2016, 03:15:53 PM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on October 23, 2016, 02:15:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2016, 11:01:25 AM

It's already over. :dead

(http://i.imgur.com/H94ZE7E.jpg)

IDK what this "ABC News" is but this dubiously sourced and inaccurate poll doesn't even include future president and Mormon savior Sir Evan McMullin :wag

:bow White Horse Prophecy :bow2

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Abrahamic religions  :doge

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 23, 2016, 06:24:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 23, 2016, 02:02:25 PM

https://www.instagram.com/p/BL2mLe-B6Nn/

Obama :whew

wtf they played shook ones?  :mynicca

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on October 23, 2016, 08:07:31 PM

Quote from: Raist on October 21, 2016, 03:19:56 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 20, 2016, 09:34:16 PM

Trump and Hillary not bad at Al Smith dinner

EDIT:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9n7g8rTiaY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjPQ82vTaes

Sorry what were they talking about? All I saw was a red dress.

In Hillary's talk, it looks like Donald can take a joke. Giulliani looks like someone surgically removed his sense of humor without anesthetic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2016, 09:09:19 PM

Trump can take a joke sometimes, but certain jokes or angles will definitely turn him into a seething ball of rage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2016, 09:57:34 PM

november 9 will be frightening because you and I know that after trump loses his fanbase will still be here having a proverbial (and literal) tantrum that will effect minorities ten fold.

The question is: will they riot? :P

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 23, 2016, 10:17:41 PM

Remember when a black Muslim present was elected and nothing happened?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2016, 10:19:00 PM

that wasn't before their racism was openly pandered to.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 23, 2016, 10:19:29 PM

my girlfriend's parents made an off-hand but not joking comment about how the election was 100% rigged

 :brazilcry :brazilcry :brazilcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Atramental on October 23, 2016, 10:29:28 PM

A lot of people that I know are saying that.

They're just parroting whatever they heard on Facebook or TV.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2016, 10:37:22 PM

Speaking of rigged elections.

It's Salon so I apologize.

http://www.salon.com/2016/10/22/yes-theres-a-rigged-election-the-one-that-ensures-a-republican-house-majority/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=socialflow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2016, 11:28:05 PM

Gerrymandering is a factor, but so's geography.

Basically Democratic voters are clustered in urban areas where they have huge majorities, so even if the lines were all drawn in completely unbiased ways, there would be more districts which tilted towards the GOP.

Also another reason why voting on the state level actually matters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 23, 2016, 11:30:19 PM

Quote from: Pallando on October 23, 2016, 10:29:28 PM

A lot of people that I know are saying that.

They're just parroting whatever they heard on Facebook or TV.

Its one of those vague charges that I feel has been around forever and permeates both parties. I see it plenty these day from Trumpkins, but liberals had some wild conspiracies too.

One person's rigging is a more articulate person's gerrymandering and ID laws. Another person's rigging is them saying they think the brown people are secretly voting with dead people's ID's 20 times an election and George Soros is controlling voting machines by having a financial stake in SCYTL.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2016, 11:38:24 PM

It's generally been more along the fringes, though. Trump is basically making it a centerpiece of his campaign, in a way that I can't recall any other major candidate doing. And not really in any meaningful way either, like "voter ID laws suppress minority votes, we need to get rid of them to help more people be able to vote" or "gerrymandering takes away power from minority zones, districts should be drawn in a more fair manner", but just "If I lose, the other side cheated." And he pushes it at every opportunity now. It's crazy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 23, 2016, 11:52:29 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2016, 11:38:24 PM

It's generally been more along the fringes, though. Trump is basically making it a centerpiece of his campaign, in a way that I can't recall any other major candidate doing. And not really in any meaningful way either, like "voter ID laws suppress minority votes, we need to get rid of them to help more people be able to vote" or "gerrymandering takes away power from minority zones, districts should be drawn in a more fair manner", but just "If I lose, the other side cheated." And he pushes it at every opportunity now. It's crazy.

I agree. Its a distinction that separates Trump from any of his modern predecessors. Who have flirted with some of this stuff but never with this level of fervor and conviction.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 23, 2016, 11:56:55 PM

Yup, politicians generally keep a safe distance from paranoid chain e-mail/Facebook FUD, even if they tacitly benefit from it.

Trump, on the other hand, is your racist uncle who keeps forwarding you crazy shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: eleuin on October 24, 2016, 01:35:00 AM

got friends saying they respect trump for "speaking his mind" at the al smith dinner  :beli

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2016, 01:40:00 AM

Quote from: http://www.theonion.com/infographic/fact-checking-third-presidential-debate-54475

“It’s funny, but it’s also really troubling.” -Hillary Clinton

Although specifically directed at Trump’s view on the validity of national election results, this remark could reasonably describe any event over the past 16 months.

:fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 24, 2016, 01:51:13 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2016, 11:38:24 PM

It's generally been more along the fringes, though. Trump is basically making it a centerpiece of his campaign, in a way that I can't recall any other major candidate doing.

acorn? p sure Benji posted that debate clip not a week ago. And, sure, what we're seeing from trump is certainly different in degree but it's probably important to keep in mind a lot of his rhetorical staples have been standard gop agitprop since at least the first w administration

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2016, 02:02:17 AM

So, you're saying Trump's rhetoric is the same but more bigly?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on October 24, 2016, 03:16:42 AM

Well, he doesn't have the talent to sugar-coat the stuff with the correct political words, unlike all politicians. It's all about acting as if you were reasonable, even when you're not.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 24, 2016, 03:41:17 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on October 24, 2016, 01:51:13 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2016, 11:38:24 PM

It's generally been more along the fringes, though. Trump is basically making it a centerpiece of his campaign, in a way that I can't recall any other major candidate doing.

acorn? p sure Benji posted that debate clip not a week ago. And, sure, what we're seeing from trump is certainly different in degree but it's probably important to keep in mind a lot of his rhetorical staples have been standard gop agitprop since at least the first w administration

Oh for sure, McCain and Palin ran web ads perpetuating and overselling a conflation that Acorn was guilty of voter fraud. McCain even mentioned it in the final debate. It was voter registration fraud, which is a key distinction and the volume of it was heavily oversold.

I guess you could argue that McCain was a forefather in the modern era(amongst mothers)of Trump's stunt but like most Trump things, he takes what the right perpetuated at a 2 or 3 and cranks it up to a 9.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 08:37:38 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=havfqNIsmSg

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvfD8eVXYAEGfOs.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 09:56:12 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/Z5f7nHk.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 09:58:40 AM

I keep clicking on that but I seem to be out of ammo and can't figure out how to switch to melee.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 11:57:17 AM

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/10/22/curt-schilling-red-sox-trump-rally-boston-photos

:sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 11:58:00 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/FUiUrrY.jpg)

The 281 People, Places and Things Donald Trump Has Insulted on Twitter: A Complete List (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html)

http://i.imgur.com/pIo0Hx2.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pIo0Hx2.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2016, 12:56:06 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 24, 2016, 11:57:17 AM

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/10/22/curt-schilling-red-sox-trump-rally-boston-photos

:sabu

Schilling out there looking like that one distant uncle you only ever see on Thanksgiving and when he shows up he immediately starts talking about UN black helicopters and Agenda 21 and then ends up leaving in a huff because no one wants to buy his apocalypse survival kits. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on October 24, 2016, 12:58:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQmbttoxUeE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on October 24, 2016, 01:11:09 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 11:58:00 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/FUiUrrY.jpg)

The 281 People, Places and Things Donald Trump Has Insulted on Twitter: A Complete List (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html)

http://i.imgur.com/pIo0Hx2.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pIo0Hx2.jpg)

What did he bitch about Macys? lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2016, 01:12:52 PM

Apparently July was the month that Macy's dropped Trump's fashion line [because of his remarks about Mexicans].

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2016, 01:13:22 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 24, 2016, 11:57:17 AM

http://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/10/22/curt-schilling-red-sox-trump-rally-boston-photos

:sabu

http://www.mediaite.com/online/curt-schillings-trump-rally-over-the-weekend-was-a-lonely-affair/

Quote

Calling Breitbart “the last bastion of actual journalism,” Schilling said, “I am proud to be part of a team that will continue to point out the very thing that’s ruining this country: liberal, progressive, socialist agenda driven by the elite globalist connected to American politics and the Clinton family.”

This is why no one takes you seriously, Curt.  :cac

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 01:26:55 PM

He's not that bad, he got to do nothing but have top people design a giant MMO that was impossible to actually develop for four years, hire R. A. Salvatore to create "ten thousand years of backstory" and still stick Rhode Island with not only $28 million of the $31 million left on the bill but the fraud charges from the SEC. :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 01:50:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DhruRNK2qY

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 01:51:34 PM

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1299147

Fuck Sony. :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: El Babua on October 24, 2016, 01:55:37 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 24, 2016, 01:51:34 PM

http://neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1299147

Fuck Sony. :'(

They were against TPP a decade before everyone else! Truly an innovative company.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 02:00:28 PM

Woops wrong thread lawl.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 24, 2016, 02:10:45 PM

Every time I saw the name lik sang, the picture of the Sherpa from Zoolander would pop in my head.
(https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/zoolander-sherpa.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on October 24, 2016, 03:31:15 PM

DUCKS ON THE GROUND!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 04:26:32 PM

robby mook is amazing, nothing puts cracks in that smile

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpfH-GXLcu4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 05:08:50 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/790613540302270464

scott "van cruncheon" adams keeping his eye on the prize

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 24, 2016, 05:20:56 PM

Poor wittle Twump supporters need to hide from the Benghazi Butcher  :-\ :-\ :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 05:38:16 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/10/31/trolls-for-trump

Quote

The afternoon before Clinton’s speech, Mike Cernovich, a thick-chested white man in his late thirties, sitting on a veranda in Southern California, opened the live-streaming app Periscope on his iPad and filmed a video called “How to fight back against Sick Hillary and the #ClintonNewsNetwork.” By “Clinton News Network,” he meant CNN and other corporate media outlets. The word “sick” described Clinton morally and physically: Cernovich was among the first to insinuate publicly that Clinton had a grave neurological condition, and that the media was covering it up. By “fight back,” he meant, basically, tweeting.

:omg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 05:41:57 PM

Quote

Alex Jones recorded a video in which he stood in his back yard, wiping sweat from his brow, as he muttered about the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. “People say, ‘Oh, my God, you’ve hit the big time—Hillary Clinton talked about you,’ ” he scoffed. “Give me a break. Hillary Clinton’s average YouTubes, on her own channel, have, like, five thousand views. Our average one has hundreds of thousands.” His video was viewed more times than the official upload of Clinton’s speech.

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 05:45:54 PM

Quote

Next door, a sticker on a garbage bin advertised WorldNetDaily, a Web site known for promoting birtherism. Cernovich hadn’t met the neighbors yet. “They’d probably geek out if I told them my name,” he said. “Then I’d have to say hi every time I see them, and maybe they’d want to be friends—nah, not worth it.”

:dead

this article is amazing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 05:46:31 PM

Quote

By “fight back,” he meant, basically, tweeting.

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 05:53:15 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 24, 2016, 05:46:31 PM

Quote

By “fight back,” he meant, basically, tweeting.

:dead

The white DeRay
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 24, 2016, 05:55:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 05:08:50 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/790613540302270464

scott "van cruncheon" adams keeping his eye on the prize

This is why STEM nerds need to be bullied.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 05:57:22 PM

Quote from: curly on October 24, 2016, 05:55:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 05:08:50 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/790613540302270464

scott "van cruncheon" adams keeping his eye on the prize

This is why STEM nerds need to be bullied.

Most STEM nerds are liberal. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on October 24, 2016, 05:59:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 05:53:15 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 24, 2016, 05:46:31 PM

Quote

By “fight back,” he meant, basically, tweeting.

:dead

The white DeRay
(http://i.imgur.com/rVtN8WL.png)

I'm not caught up on the DeRay thing. What did he do (or not do)?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 24, 2016, 06:01:49 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 24, 2016, 05:57:22 PM

Quote from: curly on October 24, 2016, 05:55:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 05:08:50 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/790613540302270464

scott "van cruncheon" adams keeping his eye on the prize

This is why STEM nerds need to be bullied.

Most STEM nerds are liberal. :ufup

I know. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 06:06:05 PM

Quote from: curly on October 24, 2016, 06:01:49 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 24, 2016, 05:57:22 PM

Quote from: curly on October 24, 2016, 05:55:20 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 05:08:50 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/790613540302270464

scott "van cruncheon" adams keeping his eye on the prize

This is why STEM nerds need to be bullied.

Most STEM nerds are liberal. :ufup

I know. :ufup

:ifup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 06:08:42 PM

Quote

“My first marriage was ruined by feminist indoctrination,” Cernovich told me. He married his first wife in 2003, when they were law students at Pepperdine. Initially, he said, the “power arrangement” was “fifty-fifty.” Then came a realization: “What she actually wanted was for me to be more assertive, to be the man in the relationship. So I would be more assertive, and she’d be happier for a few days. Then she’d go, ‘No, I need to be in charge,’ and we’d butt heads.” They separated in 2011. (Cernovich’s ex-wife declined to be interviewed.)

After law school, his wife became a successful attorney in Silicon Valley. But Cernovich was not admitted to the California bar until nine years after getting his law degree. In the meantime, he says, he got by with “freelance legal research” and “appellate stuff.” Cernovich’s wife earned millions of dollars in stock from an I.P.O.; he told me that he received “seven figures” in the divorce settlement. This seems to have been, and might still be, his primary source of funds. (He insists that book sales provide his main income.)

Cernovich says that during college, at the University of Illinois, he was socialized to be submissive. “I was friends with a lot of girls who had crushes on me, but I was too polite to fuck them,” he said. After his divorce, he reinvented himself as an alpha male. His self-published 2015 book, “Gorilla Mindset,” is a manual for men who want to “unleash the animal” within them. The book is filed under Gender Studies in the Amazon Kindle store. Until recently, it was the top seller in that category, ahead of “We Should All Be Feminists,” by Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie.

Quote

“What are Trump’s policies? I don’t particularly care,” Cernovich wrote on Danger and Play. And, in another post: “If Trump offends you, it’s because you live in a cucked world where no one speaks their minds.”

Quote

He had already insinuated himself into public conflicts in order to gain followers. (“Conflict is attention.”) And in 2014 he became a champion of GamerGate, a vicious campaign against feminists in the video-game industry. He goaded his opponents on Twitter: “Who cares about breast cancer and rape? Not me.” Cernovich’s affiliation with GamerGate made him, he said, “toxic in the eyes of a lot of people,” but he calculated that the exposure was worth it.

He picked fights with celebrities on Twitter. (Seth Rogen took the bait; Cernovich called him “Cuck Rogen.”) “I’m not a pure troll,” Cernovich told me. “Pure trolls are amoral”—they post swastikas, he suggested, not out of an allegiance to Nazism but because they enjoy riling people. “I use trolling tactics to build my brand.”

Quote

Cernovich said, “Going by the statistics, I’m less influential than some people”—Trump, say, or Kim Kardashian—“but way more influential than some punk blogger at Politico or The Weekly Standard who thinks of himself as part of the media élite. Objectively, I am the new media.”

Quote

hauna Cernovich was leaving the house to visit her parents, she told me, “They don’t fully understand what Michael does. They get that he likes Trump and that he puts stuff on the Internet—they just don’t get how that’s a job.” Her parents are secular Persian Muslims who left Iran before it became a theocracy. “My dad hates when women cover their hair,” she said.

“We sometimes joke that he’s more Islamophobic than I am,” Mike said.

“My dad actually created an anonymous Twitter account so he could troll Muslims,” Shauna said. “At the same time, he hates Trump, because he’s, like, ‘If he’s saying negative things about different groups, then how do we know he’s not going to come after Persians one day?’ Even if you believe certain things, you shouldn’t necessarily say it openly.”

Quote

I ran into Lou Dobbs, the Fox Business anchor, who was wearing pancake makeup. I asked him if he’d heard of Cernovich. “Absolutely!” he said. “I follow him on Twitter. Seems very smart.”

We parted, then Dobbs chased me down. “Can I revise that?” he said. “I’m not sure I follow him.” (He does.) “I’ve seen his stuff, and I think it’s interesting,” he added. “Interesting is a good thing, right?”

cuck rogen lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 06:51:25 PM

new yorker cartoon as always is on point:
(http://i.imgur.com/W9iVjvc.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2016, 07:02:18 PM

Asking because I'm dumb

On NPR earlier today, the host had some dude talk about a professor at some Boston college that does consulting work for the military, and this dude claimed this professor said there is absolutely zero proof that the DNC hack was performed by the Russians.

Now, I'm sure that might be true based on how that sentence reads, but I thought it was generally accepted that Wikileaks is acting under the volition of the Russian government.  So, why are people claiming that Russia couldn't be responsible for this?  Is there a good article or summation of the hacks that provides a clear explanation of what happened?

Regardless, the hacks don't do anything for me other than, "huh, the DNC is pretty dumb."  But I'd like to be able to combat shitty Trump defenses given to me from family members (!!!).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 07:05:51 PM

Not totally sure myself, but I believe there's no hard evidence that it was perpetrated by the Russian government other than some people in the US saying so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 24, 2016, 07:09:24 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-10-24/obamacare-benchmark-premiums-to-rise-25-in-sharpest-jump-yet

Quote

Premiums for mid-level Obamacare health plans sold on the federal exchanges will see their biggest jump yet next year, another speed bump in the administration’s push for enrollment in the final months of the U.S. president’s term.
Monthly premiums for benchmark silver-level plans are going up by an average of 25 percent in the 38 states using the federal HealthCare.gov website, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said in a report today. Last year, premiums for the second-lowest-cost silver plans went up by 7.5 percent on average across 37 states.


Individuals signing up for plans this year are facing not only rising premiums, but also fewer options to choose from after several big insurers pulled out from some of the markets created under the Affordable Care Act, known as Obamacare. While the ACA has brought uninsured numbers to record lows in the U.S., millions remain uninsured. To attract more people, the government has emphasized that subsidies are available for many people to help cushion the premium increases.

Clinton better get her ass in gear on the stump for congressional seats because Republicans are going to be chomping at the bits to continue obstructing any tinkering with components of this bill that are leading to this shit. Leaving them with more ammunition for their charges.

....Then again Obama and Dems should of gone big or go home the first go round. All that political capital and they allowed so many exploitable elements for their opposition to capitalize on like medicaid reimbursement and no wiggle room for subsidies if(and when) actuary projections were off target. Now all Republicans have to do is sit back and laugh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 07:15:47 PM

Quote

Tonight, the Trump campaign is kicking off a show that will air on the candidate’s Facebook page every night at 6:30 pm ET via Facebook Live from the campaign war room at Trump Tower. The show will be hosted by Boris Epshteyn, a senior adviser to the campaign, Tomi Lahren, a conservative commentator for Glenn Beck’s TheBlaze, and Cliff Sims, another Trump adviser. In tonight’s inaugural episode they will interview Trump campaign manager KellyAnne Conway and adviser Jason Miller.

The series, which will stream Trump’s rallies directly each night and feature pre-and post-event commentary, comes on the heels of the campaign’s debate night Facebook Live last week, which brought in more than 9 million views.

Members of the media quickly seized on the event, calling it a test drive for Trump TV, the post-election television network that Trump is rumored to be considering in the event he loses in November. Despite reports that his son-in-law has been talking to media dealmakers about Trump TV, Trump himself has denied he has any interest in such a thing.

Epshteyn says this nightly Facebook Live stream is simply a way for the campaign to circumvent the mainstream media Trump so publicly loathes. “We all know how strong the left wing media bias is. This is us delivering our message to voters,” he says. “It has nothing to do with Trump TV. It’s about using 21st century technology and communication in a way that’s effective.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on October 24, 2016, 07:19:57 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 24, 2016, 07:02:18 PM

Asking because I'm dumb

On NPR earlier today, the host had some dude talk about a professor at some Boston college that does consulting work for the military, and this dude claimed this professor said there is absolutely zero proof that the DNC hack was performed by the Russians.

Now, I'm sure that might be true based on how that sentence reads, but I thought it was generally accepted that Wikileaks is acting under the volition of the Russian government.  So, why are people claiming that Russia couldn't be responsible for this?  Is there a good article or summation of the hacks that provides a clear explanation of what happened?

Regardless, the hacks don't do anything for me other than, "huh, the DNC is pretty dumb."  But I'd like to be able to combat shitty Trump defenses given to me from family members (!!!).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/jul/31/what-we-know-about-russias-role-dnc-email-leak/

Though, I mean, if they are true Trump converts, not just people that are jumping on him because they hate Clinton or are party loyalists, facts and reason might not do much.

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Post by: Nola on October 24, 2016, 07:36:50 PM

Or you could just send them this:

(http://i.imgur.com/AEGgQUx.jpg?1)

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Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2016, 07:40:59 PM

I'm wary of "screenshots" like those.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 07:41:17 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 24, 2016, 07:02:18 PM

Asking because I'm dumb

On NPR earlier today, the host had some dude talk about a professor at some Boston college that does consulting work for the military, and this dude claimed this professor said there is absolutely zero proof that the DNC hack was performed by the Russians.

Now, I'm sure that might be true based on how that sentence reads, but I thought it was generally accepted that Wikileaks is acting under the volition of the Russian government.  So, why are people claiming that Russia couldn't be responsible for this?  Is there a good article or summation of the hacks that provides a clear explanation of what happened?

Regardless, the hacks don't do anything for me other than, "huh, the DNC is pretty dumb."  But I'd like to be able to combat shitty Trump defenses given to me from family members (!!!).

It's not that Russia couldn't be responsible it's that there's no actual evidence to the claim that they are solely responsible and/or that it's directed by the Russian government. Even the "source" people are running to are just the DNI suggesting it has some similarities to past hacks (like the Sony one) and that one of the security violations could be tracked back to a Russian IP (doesn't necessarily mean anything with proxies, etc.) while the Clinton campaign has gone overdrive into using it as a cudgel to beat off any questions about them also how it's illegal rather than have to actually say anything about the content or why it's not anything (which almost all of it isn't) because they're scared to death about saying something and then Wikileaks putting out something to contradict that which then gives credibility.

While some eager beavers wanted so desperately to discredit the leaks before anyone knew what was even in them that they immediately claimed RUSSIA, DOCTORED, DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES and then just repeated it endlessly until it became the dominant narrative.

The Director of National Intelligence (http://www.hasjamesclapperbeenindictedyet.com/) office stated:

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“We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities. Some states have also recently seen scanning and probing of their election-related systems, which in most cases originated from servers operated by a Russian company. However, we are not now in a position to attribute this activity to the Russian Government.”

That's not exactly a confirmation.

Here's a take by anti-American Kremlin puppet Glenn Greenwald that comes straight from Putin himself:
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/13/on-wikileaks-journalism-and-privacy-reporting-on-the-podesta-archive-is-an-easy-call/
https://theintercept.com/2016/10/11/in-the-democratic-echo-chamber-inconvenient-truths-are-recast-as-putin-plots/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/oct/23/are-clinton-wikileaks-emails-doctored-or-are-they-/

Podesta wasn't even "hacked" like the DNC was, he fell for a fake gmail link.

The main thing to consider is that falling back on IT'S RUSSIA says nothing about the actual content. If Wikileaks dropped Trump's dealings like the Panama Papers I doubt anyone not pro-Trump would just accept "IT'S RUSSIA!" as reason to ignore it. It's silly to expect Trump supporters to dismiss these e-mails, and they probably don't even really know what the content is either. JUST MORE DAMAGING EMAILS. You're not really going to get anywhere either IT'S RUSSIA or IT'S FUCKING NOTHING.

Especially if they're also getting the O'Keefe stuff.

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Post by: benjipwns on October 24, 2016, 08:21:31 PM

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in an June 2012 interview with CNBC's Squawk Box reviewed by CNN's KFile, Trump said he didn't believe in deporting undocumented immigrants who, he said, "had done a great job."

Asked about his views on immigrant labor, Trump said, "You know my views on it and I'm not necessarily, I think I'm probably down the middle on that also. Because I also understand how, as an example, you have people in this country for 20 years, they've done a great job, they've done wonderfully, they've gone to school, they've gotten good marks, they're productive — now we're supposed to send them out of the country, I don't believe in that, Michelle, and you understand that. I don't believe in a lot things that are being said."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pABTu1kpLjg
 :heh

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Watch the media completely drop this rather than undermining his base with it.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 24, 2016, 09:12:59 PM

This would put Trump supporters in a bad spot. Having to chose between their two great loves. Racism and Trump.

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Post by: zomgee on October 24, 2016, 09:14:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1DhZ-2Ea64

Is it too late to move to Long Island?

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Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2016, 09:32:06 PM

lol glenn greenwald


UPDATE: lol

UPDATE II: lolol

UPDATE III: nah he's aight tho

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 24, 2016, 09:55:08 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 24, 2016, 09:32:06 PM

lol glenn greenwald


UPDATE: lol

UPDATE II: lolol

UPDATE III: nah he's aight tho

hold on what happened

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on October 24, 2016, 10:01:57 PM

Please share with the class

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Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2016, 10:07:54 PM

I just saw benji mentioned Greenwald talking about the Ruskies and the emails.  Don't really care enough to click through but I wanted an excuse for the "UPDATE" gag.

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 24, 2016, 10:29:48 PM

Okay, so there's no real proof.  Understood.

Regardless, what's WikiLeaks end goal here, particularly considering a lot of their social media posts are either copy-paste declarations from Russian sources or they conveniently ignore anything relating to Trump?

There's no proof of of a Russian connection but it seems pretty fucking clear.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 24, 2016, 10:58:57 PM

Assange really, really hates Hillary. The end.

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Post by: agrajag on October 24, 2016, 11:44:03 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1299543

ModBot is such a fegit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 24, 2016, 11:45:46 PM

pls no

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Post by: Samson Manhug on October 25, 2016, 12:34:52 AM

Assange hates Hillary and when it comes to the email hacks, it's hard to say what the US intelligence community knows. Wonks and aspiring wonks like to pretend they know everything going on in the world because they stay on top of the news, but there is a whole classified world of information we won't have access to for 30 years at least.

Either DHS and the DNI have gone fully partisan and are protecting Hillary by releasing a statement based on weak speculation, or they know more than they are willing to tell the public. Since we don't know for sure which one it is, you just have to speculate yourself.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 25, 2016, 02:39:34 AM

So, MAGA I suppose

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on October 25, 2016, 02:59:31 AM

Not to defend Russia, but the hysterical and paranoid treatment from some circles never completely faded away even after the end of the Cold War. Everything they do tend to be painted within the frame of a very stark black and white morality, and with the very worst intentions assumed. As such it wouldn't be too much of a surprise that the conclusions presented might skip a couple of steps of evidence to attribute it to the "highest level of power in the Kremlin".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 25, 2016, 03:18:01 AM

Maybe because Russia is utter scum

You think the Cold War ended because the Soviet Union fell apart?  :lol This wasn't the end of history, just a new chapter in the same old story.

The aspirations of the Russian elite transcend political structure and such definitions. Tsarist Russia, Soviet Russia, Putins Russia. It's all the fucking same.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on October 25, 2016, 03:51:27 AM

I'm a NATO supporter, believe that European countries are indeed "freeloading" and should meet their (IIRC) 2% GNP defence budgets and that Central European (& Baltic) members should be vehemently defended against any Russian encroachment.
:yeshrug

The point isn't to assume a benevolent Russia, it's that US intelligence has an history of overestimating their capabilities and Western media a tendency to dumb down political motives to cartoonish simplifications.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 25, 2016, 03:53:48 AM

Well my country is doing its part.

Sure the media dumbs down Russias actions all the time but they do that for every issue.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 10:43:48 AM

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/790904200863617024
:whoo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 25, 2016, 10:47:41 AM

Brutal

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Rufus on October 25, 2016, 10:50:07 AM

Predictable jeering from Trumpeteers.

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OHIOTRUMPTRAIN 🚂 💨
‏@Agamewillwin1
@asamjulian @HillaryClinton And more divisive race tactics.  Shameful. And she calls Trump racist?? Please!! @sianetta @Mjhall412 @kch7

:derp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2016, 11:13:37 AM

It's interesting how badly the other Republican candidates whiffed on going negative on Trump.  Half of it was just bad strategy, gunning for each other while assuming Trump would fade on his own like Carson did.

But also lots of the attacks on Trump (ie he's racist and sexist) just weren't going to resonate all that much with the GOP primary electorate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 11:45:27 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 25, 2016, 11:13:37 AM

It's interesting how badly the other Republican candidates whiffed on going negative on Trump.  Half of it was just bad strategy, gunning for each other while assuming Trump would fade on his own like Carson did.

But also lots of the attacks on Trump (ie he's racist and sexist) just weren't going to resonate all that much with the GOP primary electorate.

Exactly. But even the non racist/sexist stuff didn't hurt him. Rubio slammed him on Trump university scams, Cruz slammed him on not paying contractors, Bush slammed him on nuclear weapons. And everyone slammed his comments on prisoners of war/McCain. Nothing stuck.

Really highlights how much immigration drove the primary process. I can't think of anything that would have stopped him in the primary. Even if the Access Hollywood video came out, would it have stopped him from sweeping southern states? I seriously doubt it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on October 25, 2016, 12:44:14 PM

Quote from: zomgee on October 24, 2016, 09:14:17 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1DhZ-2Ea64

Is it too late to move to Long Island?

Moving TO Long Island? That's a new one...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on October 25, 2016, 01:55:13 PM

They have eagles

Lots of eagles

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 25, 2016, 03:17:15 PM

nasty birds

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 25, 2016, 04:56:32 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152204980091/twitter-and-periscope-shadowban-update

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As I said before, if Twitter is suppressing my political speech, I consider it moral treason against the people of the United States even if it is allowed under their terms of service, and even though it is technically legal. I hope I’m wrong, and that my problems are simply technical in nature. Because if Twitter is doing what people say they are doing, and suppressing certain types of speech, the company needs to die for the good of the Republic.

People are saying things and we need to shut this whole thing down until we figure out what's going on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trent Dole on October 25, 2016, 05:12:28 PM

Yes Twitter is an oppressive hell hole now that you can't endlessly tweet photos of harambe at mediocre black comedians anymore. :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2016, 07:15:44 PM

I remember liking Dilbert in college and my first decade or so in tech. I miss those halcyon days of blissful ignorance. Is this what Trump supporters are lamenting, in desiring to return to the Good Old Days?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2016, 07:23:44 PM

http://imgur.com/gallery/aV9xe

:phone_drop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 25, 2016, 07:46:19 PM

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2016, 08:48:51 PM

Quote from: chronovore on October 25, 2016, 07:23:44 PM

http://imgur.com/gallery/aV9xe

:phone_drop

(http://i.imgur.com/7kCU3ZE.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Atramental on October 25, 2016, 09:03:45 PM

 :mynicca

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Boredfrom on October 25, 2016, 09:04:02 PM

Scott Adams is kind of a big idiot douchebag but why the hell The Guardian needs to report a shitty deluded blogpost as worth being in election news live feed?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/oct/25/us-elections-live-trump-clinton-news

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 09:56:18 PM

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/791090355248762880

whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 10:01:00 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791022440377782272

WHEW

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2016, 10:02:48 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on October 25, 2016, 03:18:01 AM

Maybe because Russia is utter scum

You think the Cold War ended because the Soviet Union fell apart?  :lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bowhUWl6rxQ

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 25, 2016, 04:56:32 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152204980091/twitter-and-periscope-shadowban-update

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As I said before, if Twitter is suppressing my political speech, I consider it moral treason against the people of the United States even if it is allowed under their terms of service, and even though it is technically legal. I hope I’m wrong, and that my problems are simply technical in nature. Because if Twitter is doing what people say they are doing, and suppressing certain types of speech, the company needs to die for the good of the Republic.

People are saying things and we need to shut this whole thing down until we figure out what's going on.

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791022440377782272

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Scott Adams
‏@ScottAdamsSays
If there are no sponsored terror attacks before Election Day, it means ISIS prefers Clinton. They have the means. Think about it. #Trump
2:03 PM - 25 Oct 2016

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Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  5h5 hours ago
A Clinton bully attacks the messenger and the audience. See the pattern?

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  5h5 hours ago
Clinton bullies always attack the messenger and his day job.

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  5h5 hours ago
See the pattern. Clinton bullies attack the messenger.

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  4h4 hours ago
We also learned that Clinton bullies like you attack the messenger, not the message.

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  4h4 hours ago
See the coordinated Twitter attacks on my sanity. All the same message. Means I hit a nerve.

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  4h4 hours ago
See how similar the Clinton bullies are? All coincidentally attacking my "sanity" at the same time.

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  4h4 hours ago
Coordinated: Clinton bullies attacking my sanity. Is this the world you want?

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  4h4 hours ago
In phase 2 of the attack they intentionally misinterpret me and attack their own hallucination.

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  3h3 hours ago
One gets this sort of response to a tweet when people agree with the point but need to hallucinate me as crazy to rationalize it away.

Scott Adams ‏@ScottAdamsSays  2h2 hours ago
Watch the Clinton bullies misinterpret my tweet so they can attack their hallucination and blame me for all of it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2016, 10:04:49 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 10:01:00 PM

https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791022440377782272

WHEW

great, another job stolen by a darkie because i bothered to put together a proper post with his follow ups

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 09:56:18 PM

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/791090355248762880

whew

she's not fascinated by sex  :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 25, 2016, 10:23:28 PM

Quote from: chronovore on October 25, 2016, 07:15:44 PM

I remember liking Dilbert in college my first decade or so in

read this as...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 25, 2016, 10:28:39 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 09:56:18 PM

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/791090355248762880

whew

Newt spent all of his political capital trying to destroy Bill and he couldn't do it, ended up losing his own job instead. Now, he's mad triggered because Trump is imploding and Bill's going back to the White House. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2016, 10:35:57 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2016/10/25/how-angry-does-donald-trump-make-me-angry-enough-to-steal-40-trump-signs/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 25, 2016, 11:42:45 PM

Wow, the economic anxiety is just palpable there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2016, 11:46:16 PM

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"Keep your weapons nice and tight," Captain Pain orders. I am traveling light. Unlike the others, I don't view southern Arizona as a war zone, so I didn't put steel plates in my chest rig. Next to everyone else's commando-style AR-15s, my Ruger Mini-14 with a wood stock is slightly out of place. But everything else is square—I'm wearing a MultiCam uniform, desert tan combat boots, and a radio on my shoulder. I fit in just fine.

We are in a Walmart parking lot in Nogales. Captain Pain and a couple of others go into the store to get supplies. In Pain's absence, Showtime is our commanding officer. He is a Marine special­-ops veteran who did three tours in Afghan­istan. He has camo paint on his face and a yeti beard. He gets in the cab to check Facebook on his phone while Destroyer, Jaeger, Spartan, and I stand with our backs to the truck, rifles in hand, keeping watch for anything suspicious. The Mexican border is three miles away.

"There you go," Jaeger says, looking across the lot. "Camaro with rims."

I would play through this Call of Duty campaign

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2016, 11:52:09 PM

Quote

Captain Pain

(http://i.cdn.turner.com/asfix/repository//8a25c3920eaf5fa6010eafac52fc00ef/thumbnail_6830.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:08:10 AM

http://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity-news/news/justin-timberlake-breaks-law-by-taking-selfie-while-voting-w446596

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According to TMZ, Timberlake is in the clear after snapping a selfie while voting early. The site reports that although the D.A. was made aware of the photo, a formal complaint was never filed.

The Shelby County District Attorney's Office communications director Vince Higgins tells Us Weekly that the department "was made aware of a possible violation of election law. The matter is under review by the D.A.'s office." Violators can face a 30-day jail sentence and a fine not to exceed $50 for taking photos at polling stations in Tennessee.

proof it's rigged, r.i.p. democracy  :usacry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 02:34:30 AM

(https://i0.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/screen-shot-2016-10-24-at-5-44-57-pm.png?resize=740%2C935&quality=80&strip=all)

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The catalyst for that idea was Mitchell Schultz, a former New Yorker who is now a “space tourism consultant” in Florida. Schultz tells Fusion he knew Trump Magazine’s publisher, Michael Jacobson, and had met Trump at a party through their mutual friend. Schultz remembers telling Jacobson that “the way to create immortality for Donald Trump is through the youth of America.” (Jacobson did not respond to requests for comment.)

Schultz imagined a show tentatively called Trump Takeover. Plotlines—which Schultz developed with the help of a writer friend, Louis Cimino—were prescient. They imagined an episode in which America would be “in a state of virtual collapse,” according to draft materials for the show.

Trump and his team—including characters from The Apprentice—would “go to Washington to take over!” In another episode, Trump and team would seize control of the stock market to save the world:

Save it from what? “A global financial conspiracy,” according to the show notes:

(https://i1.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/screen-shot-2016-10-24-at-5-45-13-pm.png?resize=740%2C567&quality=80&strip=all)
(https://i0.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/screen-shot-2016-10-24-at-5-46-17-pm.png?resize=740%2C577&quality=80&strip=all)
(https://i0.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/screen-shot-2016-10-24-at-5-46-28-pm.png?resize=740%2C549&quality=80&strip=all)

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“We wrote some stories—’SuperTrump,’ that kind of thing,” Cimino recalls. “I wrote the stories—‘[Trump] solves the gang problem in New York and fights the aliens,’ stuff like that. I just remember the gist. He saves the city; he saves the Yankees. I wrote whole episodes with the dialogue.” Cimino says he “did it as a goof. I did it for fun.”

(https://i0.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/screen-shot-2016-10-24-at-5-45-29-pm.png?resize=740%2C551&quality=80&strip=all)

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Jacobson, the Trump Magazine publisher, loved the concept so much that he paid Schultz for the rights to develop it, Schultz says. They turned to another illustrator to create a pilot for the TV show. That artist—Elizabeth Koshy of California—in turn hired artists in her home country, India.

“He came to us because we were giving the competitive pricing that no one else could give, because it’s outsourcing,” Koshy tells Fusion.

“They wanted to project Donald Trump as a superhero who does all the right things, and he is saving everyone,” Koshy recalls. Her animators designed a Trump with “a magical halo around him,” and started on a TV pilot.But, like so many contractors who’ve done work for Trump, Koshy says she was stiffed on the pay. She said she had to pester Jacobson for payment, and only got $6,000—two-thirds of what she was owed—after threatening to go public with her allegations of non-payment. Unfortunately, she says, neither she nor her colleagues in India kept copies of their drawings.

(https://i1.wp.com/fusion.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/trumpsuiperhero.jpg?resize=740%2C996&quality=80&strip=all)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 02:39:33 AM

For Syph:
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/democrats-marco-rubio-florida-senate-230298

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Tensions are flaring at the highest rungs of the Democratic Party over its decision to pull out of the Florida Senate race, with Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid and Florida donors pressing to go all out to unseat Marco Rubio in the final days of the campaign, but New York Sen. Chuck Schumer and the party’s Senate campaign arm arguing it’s not feasible because of budget constraints.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee — under the direction of Schumer and its chairman, Montana Sen. Jon Tester — has redirected millions of dollars from Florida to North Carolina, Missouri and Indiana. They reason that those states are both much cheaper to advertise in and offer a more promising path to the Senate majority than Florida, where Rubio has long been favored to defeat Democratic Rep. Patrick Murphy.

But Reid and other Democrats believe that defeating Rubio would be the ultimate Election Day trophy for Democrats, given his national stature and the reelection threat he could post to a potential President Hillary Clinton in 2020.

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Reid is advocating that the party make an eleventh-hour re-entry into Florida, Democratic sources said. Barack Obama has also taken a keen interest in the race, traveling to Florida to knock Rubio last week. He’ll return Friday to visit Orlando.

Sen. Bill Nelson (D-Fla.) has been pleading with former President Bill Clinton to get Democrats more interested in the Florida contest, sources familiar with the matter said. Bill Clinton himself believes Democrats gave up on the race prematurely and is urging Florida donors to support Murphy.

These Democrats argue that someone — anyone — in the party needs to come through with a few million dollars, perhaps targeting black and Hispanic media, to tip the scales in Murphy’s favor. They believe that Rubio, already wounded from losing his home-state Republican presidential primary, is beatable. Polling on the race has varied but generally shown Rubio with a narrow lead.

The urgency among many Democrats is heightened by Rubio’s status as a rising star in the Republican Party with unquestioned national ambitions. Many Democrats believe the next few days is the best chance to finish him off.

“I understand it’s not Chuck Schumer’s job to worry about presidential politics,” said Steve Schale, who managed Obama’s 2008 campaign in Florida. But “we’re all going to look a little dumb if Rubio wins by 80,000 votes and announces for president in two years.”

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In theory, Schumer could transfer more money to the DSCC; he had $20 million in his campaign coffers at the start of October. But he’s currently spending on ads in his own reelection campaign in the pricey New York market

Quote

Hillary Clinton’s campaign and the pro-Clinton super PAC Priorities USA turned some of its ad reservations in the presidential race into hits on Sens. Pat Toomey of Pennsylvania and Kelly Ayotte of New Hampshire. But there are currently no plans to do the same to Rubio.

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Tensions are exacerbated by the fact that Murphy’s father, Tom Murphy, gave $2 million to Senate Majority PAC, the top outside group to elect Senate Democrats, which then bailed on the race. (It spent $3 million in Florida earlier this year.) One top fundraiser in Florida said Washington Democrats are holding Murphy’s father’s wealth against him.

“We complain and it doesn’t take long for [national Democrats] to finally say that Patrick’s dad is going to pay for it,” the fundraiser said. “Papa Murphy probably isn’t going to stroke too many more checks. So now the hope is that Mama Clinton can drag him across the finish line.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 02:44:10 AM

democrats am cry

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/hillary-has-abnormal-eye-movements-say-majority-of-doctors-surveyed-reports-aaps-300350768.html

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She presented her ability to survive 4-and-a-half hours on a stage with Donald Trump as proof of sufficient stamina to serve as commander-in-chief.

"She evidently intended this as a joke, although I suspect our combat veterans would not be amused," states AAPS executive director Jane Orient, M.D.

Videos are, however, circulating on the internet, from her rather brief and rare appearances in public, which are purported to show pathological eye movements.

"These are quick, episodic, and inconsistent," states Dr. Orient, who is an internist. "So we decided to ask doctors on our email list to have a look at one of the videos. A helpful tool is to paste the URL into http://RowVid.com and watch it at half or quarter speed."

Nearly two-thirds of respondents said they saw abnormal movements. Only 15% did not, and 21% were unsure. There are long segments in which the eye movements appear normal.

About 60% of those who saw abnormal movements thought "the cause could be a potentially disabling neurological condition," and none of them were willing to say that it isn't.

Quote

"As Hillary revealed to the public, perhaps illegally, the President may have only four minutes to respond to a nuclear threat," said Dr. Orient. "The public needs to know whether she is concealing a serious, progressive illness that may impair memory, reasoning, alertness, or ability to think quickly at a critical time."

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/trump-track-win-black-votes-gop-candidate-since-1960/

Quote

At the beginning of October 9% of African Americans supported Trump.

Black Likely Voters for TRUMP @Rasmussen_Poll
Oct 3 – 9%
Oct 6 – 12%
Oct 7 – 13%
Oct 10 – 14%
Oct 11 – 19%
Oct 12 – 19%
Oct 13 – 24% !

— Ted Carroll (@mediainvestors) October 13, 2016

The number doubled and has leveled off at 16% support for Donald Trump.

Black Likely Voters for TRUMP @Rasmussen_Poll
Oct 17 – 17%
Oct 18 – 19%
Oct 19 – 18%
Oct 20 – 15%
Oct 21 – 16%
Oct 24 – 15%
Oct 25 – 16%

— Ted Carroll (@mediainvestors) October 25, 2016

Quote

If Trump skims 25% of black voters from the Democratic Party he would win the 2016 election in a landslide.

The last Republican to win over 25 percent of the non-white vote was Richard Nixon in 1960.
Nixon won 32% of non-white voters to Kennedy’s 68%.

The black community in America has been in decline ever since.

(http://16004-presscdn-0-50.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/trump-blacks-voter-575x359.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 02:52:07 AM

gracias benji
first off rubio hasn't been trailing in florida in, well, forever
so i can see why they'd want to divert assets
but of course it is puzzling that they wouldnt fight tooth and nail to win this race this time around, since we all know rubio is just biding time for 2020 or 2024
(i still dream of a rubio/haley or rubio/gowdy ticket)

their (democracts) decision may be related to today's revelation though:
Despite denials of business ties, Democrat Patrick Murphy's dad was pictured with Trump at groundbreaking (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/25/politics/patrick-murphy-trump-business/)

it's the dumbest story i know, but it will have an effect because murphy (rubio's opponent for those that don't know) has repeatedly denied his family has done any business with trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 03:01:38 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 26, 2016, 02:52:07 AM

but of course it is puzzling that they wouldnt fight tooth and nail to win this race this time around, since we all know rubio is just biding time for 2020 or 2024

but but he promised:

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"First of all, because I've said it. Not only am I going to serve for six years, I've been honest with people, the things I want to achieve, some may take longer than six years to achieve. So that's what my focus is on, 100%," Rubio said.

"If I wanted to run for something else, I wouldn't have run for Senate," Rubio continued. "My opponent keeps saying I'm gonna run for president. If I wanted to run for president in four years, I would have just stayed out of this race and started running on November the 9, which a lot of other people are going to do. I wouldn't have run for re-election at the last minute in the toughest swing state in the country, in a year as uncertain as this one."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 11:10:16 AM

http://deadline.com/2016/10/donald-trump-hollywood-walk-of-fame-star-destroyed-video-1201842969/

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EXCLUSIVE VIDEO: Donald Trump’s star on the iconic Hollywood Walk of Fame was destroyed early Wednesday morning by a man dressed as a city construction worker wielding a sledgehammer and pick-ax. The man, who told Deadline his name was Jamie Otis, said he was trying to extract the star to auction it off and raise funds for the women who have come forward to accuse Trump of sexually assaulting them over the decades.

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The incident occurred around 5:45 AM with a few bystanders stopping to watch. An LAPD police cruiser showed up around 6:15, but Otis had already left the scene.
...
Trump’s star has had its share of attention since he announced his White House bid in 2005, including a reverse swastika spray-painted over it in January, and a mute sign painted over it in June. Later in the summer, an L.A. artist erected a small razor-wire-topped wall around the star, a knock on Trump’s plans to build a wall on the Mexico border.

(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/trump-star-1.jpg)
(https://pmcdeadline2.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/more-trump.jpg)

from the inside out is maybe not the best way to try and extract it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 11:17:26 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 09:56:18 PM

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/791090355248762880

whew

Quote from: http://thehill.com/media/302848-clinton-accusers-slam-megyn-kelly-after-confrontation-with-gingrich

Beauty is only skin deep. Megyn Kelly is ugly as hell on the inside.
— Juanita Broaddrick (@atensnut) October 26, 2016

Lets get this straight...Megyn Kelly isn't for all women...she hates Trump, so she's only for those so called victims! NEVER for me!
— PJGirlie (@ThePaulaJones) October 26, 2016

Quote

Jones also called Kelly a “nasty heifer” in a tweet that was later deleted.

Like, I get that they hate Bill, and maybe have a very good reason for it, but...  :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 11:18:45 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 25, 2016, 09:56:18 PM

https://twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/791090355248762880

whew

lol at how this is being treated (Newt dominating the Clinton supporter) on conservative blogs/sites/media

edit: fuck


for that, suffer:

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Megyn Exposed: Bench-Pressed by Newt

Gingrich: ‘You Are Fascinated With Sex and You Don’t Care About Public Policy’

Fox News Host Floats Republican Nominee as ‘Sexual Predator’

…SHE DEFENDS BILL: ‘HE’S NOT ON TICKET’…

…NEWT TELLS HER TO SAY ‘BILL CLINTON SEXUAL PREDATOR’…

…WAT? SHE DEFENDS HILLARY ON CORRUPTION…

…SHE SEZ FMR SPEAKER HAZ ‘ANGER ISSUES’…

…MEGYN PART OF ‘ESTABLISHMENT’

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WOW!
Anyone who has watched FOX News in the last year knows that Megyn Kelly supports Hillary Clinton and HATES Donald Trump.

Tonight Megyn Kelly took that hatred a step further and accused Donald Trump of being a “sexual predator” during an interview with former Speaker Newt Gingrich!

UNREAL!
NEWT UNLOADED!

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Doc T • 12 hours ago
Newt spanked her like a petulant brat. And she knew it.

She's the laughingstock of the Internet tonight.

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aceydoozy  Alti • 2 hours ago
She's an Obama-class, narcissistic slut without principle; like Newt said, she doesn't care about policy.

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Daniel  Doc T • 9 hours ago
She is high on the list of people who need to disappear in disgrace after this election.

The huge reality is that Hillary is a high criminal who *IS* currently selling out the USA and the free world. That's the plain fact.

That Megyn Kelly when challenged would not say "Bill Clinton Sexual Predator" is exactly the same as Obama and Hillary not saying Radical Islamic Terror. Their respective masters will not let them say those words and it's very, very telling.

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The Prisoner  Daniel • 5 hours ago
In recent years Fox has pulled a bait & switch on the viewers. After solidifying support from conservatives, they began a war on conservatism. It is similar to what the republican party in congress has done.

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EisenhowerConservative • 12 hours ago
I'm so glad Newt blasted Megyn Kelly for her bias. Blondie is so unhinged in her hatred of Trump that she's become deranged. She's a radical feminist who despises alpha males like Trump because that's what her ex-husband was. This leg crosser would sell her soul to advance her career. She is only praised by the mainstream media because she constantly trashes Trump on a nightly basis.

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aljanet  Tex (Palm trees for Trump) • 12 hours ago
She is a POS mother f....er. She is a f...ing w....re. And I don't care if they delete my comment, I am just telling the truth. I wonder how many executives she had to f...k to get this job???

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Freedom59  Lyn Portello • 10 hours ago
She does her best work on her knees

Quote

S. Hall  Kenny_Bunkport • 10 hours ago
This woman is in her mid to late 40's isn't it time she wore a jacket. I never know if she going to moderate a news story or sing LET ME ENTERTAIN YOU.

(http://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c359f187aa9596d516a43593ee5ba791011e32a1f66291f6d1bda11e96a734fe.jpg?w=800&h=295)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 11:34:06 AM

UNREAL!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2016, 11:34:37 AM

Captain, we've got an an Obama-class, narcissistic slut decloaking off the port bow! Scanners show that it has no principles and doesn't care about policy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 11:35:09 AM

do you think they'res referring to the narcissism or the sluttery as Obama-class :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 11:35:33 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 11:35:09 AM

do you think they'res referring to the narcissism or the sluttery as Obama-class :doge

:obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 26, 2016, 11:35:35 AM

I....I can't....:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2016, 11:36:27 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 11:35:09 AM

do you think they'res referring to the narcissism or the sluttery as Obama-class :doge

whynotboth.gif

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:47:33 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party

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As I often say, I don’t know who has the best policies. I don’t know the best way to fight ISIS and I don’t know how to fix healthcare or trade deals. I don’t know which tax policies are best to lift the economy. I don’t know the best way to handle any of that stuff. (And neither do you.) But I do have a bad reaction to bullies. And I’ve reached my limit.

I hope you have too. Therefore…

I endorse Donald Trump for President of the United States because I oppose bullying in all its forms.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:50:30 PM

a pro-Chris Christie protest? (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2016/10/26/george-washington-bridge-protest/) weird

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 26, 2016, 12:50:52 PM

why is half this thread about what the creator of dilbert says,  Benji.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 12:51:33 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on October 26, 2016, 12:50:52 PM

why is half this thread about what the creator of dilbert says,  Benji.

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The bullies are welcome to drown in their own bile while those of us who want a better world do what we’ve been doing for hundreds of years: Work to make it better while others complain about how we’re doing it.

Today I put Trump’s odds of winning in a landslide back to 98%. Remember, I told you a few weeks ago that Trump couldn’t win unless “something changed.”

Something just changed.

—

You might like my book because Clinton’s bullies have been giving it one-star reviews on Amazon to punish me for blogging about Trump’s persuasion skills.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 26, 2016, 12:58:55 PM

Quote

The bullies are welcome to drown in their own bile while those of us who want a better world do what we’ve been doing for hundreds of years: Work to make it better while others complain about how we’re doing it.

Scott Adams and I agree here, at least. :doge

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Today I put Trump’s odds of winning in a landslide back to 98%. Remember, I told you a few weeks ago that Trump couldn’t win unless “something changed.”

Something just changed.

:lol He's so delusional he thinks his endorsement just won it (in a landslide, no less) for Trump. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 01:02:32 PM

no the Clinton campaign got exposed as bullies for challenging his ISIS tweet

plus other evils:

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Yesterday, by no coincidence, Huffington Post, Salon, and Daily Kos all published similar-sounding hit pieces on me, presumably to lower my influence. (That reason, plus jealousy, are the only reasons writers write about other writers.)

Joe Biden said he wanted to take Trump behind the bleachers and beat him up. No one on Clinton’s side disavowed that call to violence because, I assume, they consider it justified hyperbole.

Team Clinton has succeeded in perpetuating one of the greatest evils I have seen in my lifetime. Her side has branded Trump supporters (40%+ of voters) as Nazis, sexists, homophobes, racists, and a few other fighting words. Their argument is built on confirmation bias and persuasion. But facts don’t matter because facts never matter in politics. What matters is that Clinton’s framing of Trump provides moral cover for any bullying behavior online or in person. No one can be a bad person for opposing Hitler, right?

Some Trump supporters online have suggested that people who intend to vote for Trump should wear their Trump hats on election day. That is a dangerous idea, and I strongly discourage it. There would be riots in the streets because we already know the bullies would attack. But on election day, inviting those attacks is an extra-dangerous idea. Violence is bad on any day, but on election day, Republicans are far more likely to unholster in an effort to protect their voting rights. Things will get wet fast.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2016, 01:18:15 PM

So has he said if he's still voting Hillary to avoid getting beat up, or is he just going to sneak in a Trump vote while the Black Panthers aren't looking?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 01:22:18 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzjRwNUQDRU

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 01:39:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 03:01:38 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 26, 2016, 02:52:07 AM

but of course it is puzzling that they wouldnt fight tooth and nail to win this race this time around, since we all know rubio is just biding time for 2020 or 2024

but but he promised:

Quote

"First of all, because I've said it. Not only am I going to serve for six years, I've been honest with people, the things I want to achieve, some may take longer than six years to achieve. So that's what my focus is on, 100%," Rubio said.

"If I wanted to run for something else, I wouldn't have run for Senate," Rubio continued. "My opponent keeps saying I'm gonna run for president. If I wanted to run for president in four years, I would have just stayed out of this race and started running on November the 9, which a lot of other people are going to do. I wouldn't have run for re-election at the last minute in the toughest swing state in the country, in a year as uncertain as this one."

shhhh that's why i said 2024

spoiler (click to show/hide)

only to cover my own ass lol

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 26, 2016, 02:00:33 PM

Does anyone else notice Green Shinobi's writing style in Scott Adams' posts or am I imagining it?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 03:41:41 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvt3VxJVYAABo0U.jpg)
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-city-of-brotherly-love-has-little-for-trump/505343/
 :lol

I'm doing this if anyone comes knocking lmao

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 04:59:28 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/blacks-for-trump-michael-black-man-yahweh-ben-yahweh-cult

“Michael” told the New Times that he is supporting Trump in part out of his loathing for Clinton.

"One reason is because Hillary's last name is Rodham, and their family members are Rothschilds, who enslaved 13,000 slaves as collateral," he said.

 :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 26, 2016, 06:07:52 PM

54%

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 26, 2016, 07:18:25 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/25/opinion/the-epidemic-of-worry.html

Quote

The Epidemic of Worry
David Brooks OCT. 25, 2016

We’ve had a tutorial on worry this year. The election campaign isn’t really about policy proposals, issue solutions or even hope. It’s led by two candidates who arouse gargantuan anxieties, fear and hatred in their opponents.

Quote

Worry, like drama, is all about the self. As O’Gorman puts it, the worrier is the opposite of a lighthouse: “He doesn’t give out energy for the benefit of others. He absorbs energy at others’ cost.”

If you’re worrying, you’re spiraling into your own narcissistic pool. But concrete plans and actions thrust us into the daily fact of other people’s lives. This campaign will soon be over, and governing, thank God, will soon return.

Hakuna matata.

i'm worried :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 07:19:42 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 04:59:28 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/blacks-for-trump-michael-black-man-yahweh-ben-yahweh-cult

“Michael” told the New Times that he is supporting Trump in part out of his loathing for Clinton.

"One reason is because Hillary's last name is Rodham, and their family members are Rothschilds, who enslaved 13,000 slaves as collateral," he said.

 :confused

i actually lold

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2016, 07:20:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 03:41:41 PM

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvt3VxJVYAABo0U.jpg
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/the-city-of-brotherly-love-has-little-for-trump/505343/
 :lol

I'm doing this if anyone comes knocking lmao

Black and brown women been treated like shit forever and still gonna save this country from its dumbass self.   :obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 07:23:38 PM

Quote from: David Brooks

This campaign will soon be over, and governing, thank God, will soon return.

oh my dear sweet summer child

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 26, 2016, 07:29:40 PM

Early voting numbers (http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/26/politics/early-voting-statistics-2016-election/index.html)

look at those third-party/other votes tho

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 26, 2016, 07:40:21 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 26, 2016, 07:29:40 PM

look at those third-party/other votes tho

Looks like similar proportions as 2012.  Am I missing something?


edit: oh, did you read that as votes actually cast for third party candidates, rather than cast by people not registered as R or D?  They're not releasing actual vote results two weeks before the election y'know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 07:51:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ__1zti_hc

wheww

edit: that's my waifu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on October 26, 2016, 08:04:59 PM

 :noah

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 26, 2016, 08:46:18 PM

how dare that woman sully the name of my famous sister

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 26, 2016, 11:43:59 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 07:51:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ__1zti_hc

wheww

edit: that's my waifu

Good, keep that white hag and I'll wife Angela Rye-chan

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on October 27, 2016, 12:17:22 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on October 26, 2016, 02:00:33 PM

Does anyone else notice Green Shinobi's writing style in Scott Adams' posts or am I imagining it?

:dead

That's just a common style among people who assume they're smarter than the rest of the planet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Oblivion on October 27, 2016, 12:34:07 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 26, 2016, 07:51:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQ__1zti_hc

wheww

edit: that's my waifu

Damn. Was Betsy always that stacked?  :leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 12:39:29 AM

Bore, I implore you. We need an Angela Rye floating head emoticon. Something like this will do, she has a lot to choose from:

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160727150815-angela-rye-scottie-nell-hughes-newsroom-full-169.jpg)

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 02:24:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZeW56_pumE

9:37 rekt

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 27, 2016, 02:24:51 AM

amazing preview shot  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 03:36:52 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 27, 2016, 02:24:51 AM

amazing preview shot  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/DxOarPm.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 27, 2016, 03:37:28 AM

sorry as much as giuliani has fallen off his rocker this election i cant applaud anything that dumbass cuomo says
never forget him telling the public that they're not allowed to look at the wikileaks leaks and only the media can lmao

spoiler (click to show/hide)

makes you wonder why he thought he was allowed then  :doge

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Atramental on October 27, 2016, 04:02:59 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 03:36:52 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 27, 2016, 02:24:51 AM

amazing preview shot  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/DxOarPm.png)

What's the exact time for that frame on the vid?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 04:05:33 AM

Quote from: Pallando on October 27, 2016, 04:02:59 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 03:36:52 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 27, 2016, 02:24:51 AM

amazing preview shot  :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/DxOarPm.png)

What's the exact time for that frame on the vid?

5:06 I reckon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 08:47:44 AM

Quote from: 213372bu on October 27, 2016, 12:23:23 AM

Seriously though, this person's timeline is terrible, I guess they just got back on Facebook for the first time in years and dumped a whole bunch of Trump memes.

 I'd unfriend if those memes weren't such quality trash.

Plus you gotta remain friends long enough to see the post election meltdown. I was talking to my mom yesterday, who is a big Obama fan and loves Hillary. She looks at 538's map often but when we were talking I realized she thinks it's going to be a real close election. Like 2004 basically, coming down to one or two states. She also watches a lot of cable news which is basically framing everything in close horse race terms, so I'm guessing that influences her far more than Nate Silver.

This got me thinking that a lot, perhaps even most Trump supporters probably think the election is going to be close no matter who wins. If it comes down to 1-2 states, as they expect, arguments about voter fraud are easier to make.

....so they're gonna be shocked that it's a blowout. It's far harder to argue an election was rigged when you lose every swing state except Ohio or Iowa.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 27, 2016, 09:49:47 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PG2V0YnokM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2016, 10:00:47 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 02:24:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZeW56_pumE

9:37 rekt

"I didn't know that..."

"Well, now you do."

"..."

:rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on October 27, 2016, 10:15:31 AM

A guy at work is claiming that people were going around offering $100 to vote for Clinton yesterday at the polling station he went to.  :doge

"I would have taken it, but I don't want her dirty money"
"Oh my god.  It's all so rigged"

 :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 27, 2016, 10:38:55 AM

Crooked Shillary using campaign contributions  to bribe individual voters, she should be in prison #maga

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: El Babua on October 27, 2016, 10:41:50 AM

Fuck!

Should've waited for the shills to start handing out blood money before I voted.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 27, 2016, 11:19:10 AM

https://twitter.com/LouDobbs/status/790024160160411648
LOL "Mormon  Mafia"! :neogaf


https://twitter.com/BenWinslow/status/791481863046955008

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on October 27, 2016, 11:24:27 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 27, 2016, 10:15:31 AM

A guy at work is claiming that people were going around offering $100 to vote for Clinton yesterday at the polling station he went to.  :doge

"I would have taken it, but I don't want her dirty money"
"Oh my god.  It's all so rigged"

 :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge

Take the money, cast secret ballot for Trump, have a nice dinner at Hillary's expense.  ??? What a dumbass.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 11:36:04 AM

Quote

David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog  34m34 minutes ago
.@LouDobbs
LDS
LES
LEW
JEW
DO THE MATH, SHEEPLE

Quote

Dan Tynan ‏@tynanwrites  12h12 hours ago
@LouDobbs @BuzzFeedBen @trumpresdent i understand the mormon mafia makes the best tools.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 27, 2016, 12:48:52 PM

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/the-blacks-for-trump-guy-is-a-former-cult-member.html

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 27, 2016, 12:51:22 PM

http://www.tedcruzforhumanpresident.com/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trent Dole on October 27, 2016, 12:54:13 PM

Yes, former cult member who is now a trump supporter. Right.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on October 27, 2016, 03:53:24 PM

I'm now actually getting hyped for a Hillary blowout just so people on FB will shut the hell up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 04:01:09 PM

I think if Hillary gets blown out that would do the opposite.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: thisismyusername on October 27, 2016, 05:08:25 PM

Quote from: tiesto on October 27, 2016, 03:53:24 PM

I'm now actually getting hyped for a Hillary blowout just so people on FB will shut the hell up.

You're thinking too small...

/r/the_donald meltdown, dude.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Atramental on October 27, 2016, 05:16:24 PM

/pol/ is going to implode

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 27, 2016, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: Pallando on October 27, 2016, 05:16:24 PM

/pol/ is going to implode

/pol/ will just rationalize like they always do regardless of the result
fucking bernie bros
"bernie will keep clinton accountable" lol yea and trump will win 25% of the black vote FOH

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 07:43:04 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/791786303411122176

he has reached the Acceptance stage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 07:54:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 07:43:04 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/791786303411122176

he has reached the Acceptance stage.

Quote

Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!
You can search Twitter using the search box below or return to the homepage.

meanwhile his latest tweets:

Quote

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  2h2 hours ago
After this election, I'm going to spend one day gloating then go on vacation for a week.  This is hard work. :-)

Quote

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  11m11 minutes ago
I hope Trump's kids will launch Trump TV.  Donald will be busy running the country!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 08:06:45 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 07:54:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 07:43:04 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/791786303411122176

he has reached the Acceptance stage.

Quote

Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!
You can search Twitter using the search box below or return to the homepage.

meanwhile his latest tweets:

Quote

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  2h2 hours ago
After this election, I'm going to spend one day gloating then go on vacation for a week.  This is hard work. :-)

Quote

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  11m11 minutes ago
I hope Trump's kids will launch Trump TV.  Donald will be busy running the country!

I guess he regained his confidence. The original tweet was something like "I hope Trump picks my show up for Trump TV"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 27, 2016, 08:09:08 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 08:06:45 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 07:54:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 07:43:04 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/791786303411122176

he has reached the Acceptance stage.

Quote

Sorry, that page doesn’t exist!
You can search Twitter using the search box below or return to the homepage.

meanwhile his latest tweets:

Quote

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  2h2 hours ago
After this election, I'm going to spend one day gloating then go on vacation for a week.  This is hard work. :-)

Quote

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii  11m11 minutes ago
I hope Trump's kids will launch Trump TV.  Donald will be busy running the country!

I guess he regained his confidence. The original tweet was something like "I hope Trump picks my show up for Trump TV"

#thirsty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 08:33:08 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/opinion/the-lonely-life-of-a-republican-woman.html

Quote

The Lonely Life of a Republican Woman
By S.E. CUPP   OCT. 27, 2016

Quote

I became a conservative because of words like “self-reliance” and “individualism,” because it actually seemed the more optimistic philosophy. Conservatism measured compassion by how much you gave, not by how much you told other people to give. Conservatism believed that individuals, not bureaucracies, produced the best solutions. And conservatism saw American democracy as a beacon of hope to share with the world’s oppressed, not something to apologize for.

Now that I’m a mother, those ideals matter more to me than ever.

mother :kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 08:41:39 PM

related to a tiny discussion and a point Mandark made a week or so ago:
https://blogs.chapman.edu/wilkinson/2016/10/11/what-arent-they-telling-us/

Quote

Respondents to the Chapman University Survey of American Fears were asked if “The government is concealing what they know about…the North Dakota crash.” A third of Americans (33%) think the government is concealing information about this invented event.

Were the North Dakota crash added to the ranked list of conspiracies (see above), this invention would rank as number six, just under plans for a one world government.

The government is concealing what they know about…the North Dakota Crash
 %
Strongly Disagree   16.2
Disagree   51.2
Agree   25.0
Strongly Agree   7.5

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 08:50:01 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XHHlAXR2tE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: archie4208 on October 27, 2016, 08:52:28 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 27, 2016, 05:53:24 PM

Quote from: Pallando on October 27, 2016, 05:16:24 PM

/pol/ is going to implode

/pol/ will just rationalize like they always do regardless of the result
fucking bernie bros
"bernie will keep clinton accountable" lol yea and trump will win 25% of the black vote FOH

They'll just blame Jews like they do for everything else.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 27, 2016, 10:28:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icc0NXOdJQg

what the fuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: nudemacusers on October 27, 2016, 10:45:32 PM

Lol his winning smirk is great, especially since his zing attempt landed like a wet fart.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 27, 2016, 10:53:26 PM

copy right claim lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Atramental on October 28, 2016, 12:45:31 AM

Found a mirror:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQCMIJU4XHc

Jesus...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2016, 12:58:18 AM

Jesus Christ!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on October 28, 2016, 01:59:20 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vArw1YxsngI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 28, 2016, 02:15:27 AM

Dude was so racist that he forgot about the existence of mixed-race people.

If her family hadn't served in the Revolutionary War it would have been insane to tell such a specific, easily-checked lie in such a public, highly reported venue. That alone should have given him enough doubt to hold off and have his staff check it later. But he was so sure that someone who looked like that couldn't have deep roots in this country.

Racism makes people fucking dumb.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2016, 03:43:00 AM

Dude gets one blowjob 20 years ago and still has the rep of a womanizer

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Oblivion on October 28, 2016, 06:19:30 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 08:33:08 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/27/opinion/the-lonely-life-of-a-republican-woman.html

Quote

The Lonely Life of a Republican Woman
By S.E. CUPP   OCT. 27, 2016

Quote

I became a conservative because of words like “self-reliance” and “individualism,” because it actually seemed the more optimistic philosophy. Conservatism measured compassion by how much you gave, not by how much you told other people to give. Conservatism believed that individuals, not bureaucracies, produced the best solutions. And conservatism saw American democracy as a beacon of hope to share with the world’s oppressed, not something to apologize for.

Now that I’m a mother, those ideals matter more to me than ever.

mother :kobeyuck

That means she's a milf, yo. :drool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2016, 10:42:18 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 28, 2016, 02:15:27 AM

Dude was so racist that he forgot about the existence of mixed-race people.

If her family hadn't served in the Revolutionary War it would have been insane to tell such a specific, easily-checked lie in such a public, highly reported venue. That alone should have given him enough doubt to hold off and have his staff check it later. But he was so sure that someone who looked like that couldn't have deep roots in this country.

Racism makes people fucking dumb.

But then again Kirk has been repeatedly lying about his own military service for years so perhaps he thought "hey if I'm dumb enough to do it, maybe she is too."  :lol

But yea...he's racist. You'd think her last name would make him think "maybe she's mixed..." but nope. "Must be a foreigner."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2016, 10:54:15 AM

That black protestant vote

http://www.prri.org/spotlight/religion-vote-2016/?ex_cid=newsletter

:neogaf

Good luck Donald.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 28, 2016, 11:10:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2016, 10:42:18 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 28, 2016, 02:15:27 AM

Dude was so racist that he forgot about the existence of mixed-race people.

If her family hadn't served in the Revolutionary War it would have been insane to tell such a specific, easily-checked lie in such a public, highly reported venue. That alone should have given him enough doubt to hold off and have his staff check it later. But he was so sure that someone who looked like that couldn't have deep roots in this country.

Racism makes people fucking dumb.

But then again Kirk has been repeatedly lying about his own military service for years so perhaps he thought "hey if I'm dumb enough to do it, maybe she is too."  :lol

But yea...he's racist. You'd think her last name would make him think "maybe she's mixed..." but nope. "Must be a foreigner."

 :lol He must have been all like "got em!" on the inside when he delivered that "zinger"  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2016, 12:00:55 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 28, 2016, 11:10:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2016, 10:42:18 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 28, 2016, 02:15:27 AM

Dude was so racist that he forgot about the existence of mixed-race people.

If her family hadn't served in the Revolutionary War it would have been insane to tell such a specific, easily-checked lie in such a public, highly reported venue. That alone should have given him enough doubt to hold off and have his staff check it later. But he was so sure that someone who looked like that couldn't have deep roots in this country.

Racism makes people fucking dumb.

But then again Kirk has been repeatedly lying about his own military service for years so perhaps he thought "hey if I'm dumb enough to do it, maybe she is too."  :lol

But yea...he's racist. You'd think her last name would make him think "maybe she's mixed..." but nope. "Must be a foreigner."

 :lol He must have been all like "got em!" on the inside when he delivered that "zinger"  :lol

There's really never a bad time to insult a military family's service record. It's not something that could possibly backfire so just go for it at any opportunity.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2016, 12:22:53 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2016, 12:00:55 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 28, 2016, 11:10:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 28, 2016, 10:42:18 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 28, 2016, 02:15:27 AM

Dude was so racist that he forgot about the existence of mixed-race people.

If her family hadn't served in the Revolutionary War it would have been insane to tell such a specific, easily-checked lie in such a public, highly reported venue. That alone should have given him enough doubt to hold off and have his staff check it later. But he was so sure that someone who looked like that couldn't have deep roots in this country.

Racism makes people fucking dumb.

But then again Kirk has been repeatedly lying about his own military service for years so perhaps he thought "hey if I'm dumb enough to do it, maybe she is too."  :lol

But yea...he's racist. You'd think her last name would make him think "maybe she's mixed..." but nope. "Must be a foreigner."

 :lol He must have been all like "got em!" on the inside when he delivered that "zinger"  :lol

There's really never a bad time to insult a military family's service record. It's not something that could possibly backfire so just go for it at any opportunity.

Grab that opportunity by the pussy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 01:18:24 PM

Fbi re-opening Clinton email case because they found more. :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: thisismyusername on October 28, 2016, 01:29:14 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on October 28, 2016, 03:43:00 AM

Dude gets one blowjob 20 years ago

+ Sexual assaults before that. :comeon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2016, 01:33:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 01:18:24 PM

Fbi re-opening Clinton email case because they found more. :'(

They aren't reopening anything.  They're investigating a potentially unrelated case and are using the emails to try and see if there's a link.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 01:37:31 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 28, 2016, 01:33:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 01:18:24 PM

Fbi re-opening Clinton email case because they found more. :'(

They aren't reopening anything.  They're investigating a potentially unrelated case and are using the emails to try and see if there's a link.

Yeah apparently one of the house sub-committee members said they were re-opening it.  Anyway, that's what's being reported lots of places so that's what it's going to look like. :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2016, 02:17:11 PM

It's fucking nothing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2016, 02:17:53 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 01:37:31 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 28, 2016, 01:33:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 01:18:24 PM

Fbi re-opening Clinton email case because they found more. :'(

They aren't reopening anything.  They're investigating a potentially unrelated case and are using the emails to try and see if there's a link.

Yeah apparently one of the house sub-committee members said they were re-opening it.  Anyway, that's what's being reported lots of places so that's what it's going to look like. :-\

Nate Silver just updated his models
(http://i.imgur.com/E3nuJasl.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 02:18:41 PM

It probably is nothing, but it's all we'll hearing about until election day.

Edit:

https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/792067119286542337 (https://twitter.com/samsteinhp/status/792067119286542337)

Good lord if true Comey is going to have some serious explaining to do.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2016, 02:22:54 PM

(https://i.sli.mg/kRxl3o.png)

again, its nothing, and comey is fucking shameful

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 02:53:44 PM

Plot twist: "The device" was actually just a clock.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 02:55:52 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 28, 2016, 02:17:11 PM

It's fucking nothing

She's a complete fucking idiot for even being in this shit to begin with.

Come at me politically unaware hipster,  I'm ready...

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Jack-Donaghy-Pouring-Alcohol-Loop-30-Rock.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 02:56:52 PM

She definitely brought all this email scrutiny on herself by not being a Republican, that's for sure.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Rufus on October 28, 2016, 02:56:56 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 02:55:52 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 28, 2016, 02:17:11 PM

It's fucking nothing

She's a complete fucking idiot for even being in this shit to begin with.

Come at me politically unaware hipster,  I'm ready drunk...

(http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Jack-Donaghy-Pouring-Alcohol-Loop-30-Rock.gif)

:hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on October 28, 2016, 02:57:39 PM

Quote from: Dufus on October 28, 2016, 10:07:42 AM

S.E. Cupp :lawd

S.E. Cupp's brain :donot

SE Cupp looks like a skinny version of my ex. Would definitely smang.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2016, 02:57:49 PM

Oh God, we've posted negative Hillary news three times and summoned AIA!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 02:58:30 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 02:56:52 PM

She definitely brought all this email scrutiny on herself by not being a Republican, that's for sure.

Don't be obtuse. For a state department vet there seems to be no shortage of foreign and domestic people who hate her. Weird.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2016, 03:01:58 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 02:58:30 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 02:56:52 PM

She definitely brought all this email scrutiny on herself by not being a Republican, that's for sure.

Don't be obtuse. For a state department vet there seems to be no shortage of foreign and domestic people who hate her. Weird.

Of course a lot of people hate her.  A lot of people hated Powell.  And Rice.  And Albright.

I never claimed the server shit wasn't dumb on her.  But it's also not a disqualifying attribute.

https://medium.com/the-curious-civilian/admit-it-the-clinton-email-controversy-bothers-you-yet-you-dont-actually-know-what-the-clinton-511dc1659eda#.v0mvz0vcy (https://medium.com/the-curious-civilian/admit-it-the-clinton-email-controversy-bothers-you-yet-you-dont-actually-know-what-the-clinton-511dc1659eda#.v0mvz0vcy)

Read that^  At worst, she was careless and her arrogance and refusal to listen to her advisors is problematic.  But it's all just optics in relation to the election – at no point to we have evidence of national security details being held here.  It's a pathetic witch hunt.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 03:02:28 PM

They just hate what they ain't.  :patel

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2016, 03:03:46 PM

LOL of course AiA comes back for this.

Gonna get your licks in 11 days breh. :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 03:04:56 PM

Y'all so thirsty to be the next left leaning gaf that you'll openly back a woman who hates white straight men. Fascinating. I'll just watch you all circle your way out of this Hilary bullshit again. It's fascinating.

Where there is smoke there is always fire. My bet is emails from Obama, watch lol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2016, 03:10:45 PM

It's probably emails from Weiner to Huma, asking if Bill and Hill are down for swinging.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Rufus on October 28, 2016, 03:11:11 PM

She hates white men? :rofl

Also, that smoke idiom gets abused so much. Repeat something often enough it becomes true, or 'true'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnhJWusyj4I

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2016, 03:13:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 03:04:56 PM

Y'all so thirsty to be the next left leaning gaf that you'll openly back a woman who hates white straight men. Fascinating. I'll just watch you all circle your way out of this Hilary bullshit again. It's fascinating.

Where there is smoke there is always fire. My bet is emails from Obama, watch lol.

Show your work.  She hates Trump so that means she hates...me?  A straight white man?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2016, 03:15:02 PM

First Himu calls us alt-right Reddit and now AiA calling us leftist GAF.

We've made it people, we're the full spectrum!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: doctavius bonbon on October 28, 2016, 04:00:05 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article111038352.html

Quote

KINSTON
Nash County resident C.J. Cary arrived at the Kinston Jet Center Wednesday night in eager anticipation of a Donald Trump rally.

Cary says he wanted to deliver a note to Trump urging him to be less offensive and more inclusive to four demographic groups: black people, women, people with disabilities and college students. Cary, an African-American, says he’s an ex-Marine who also worked in Afghanistan as a civilian for the U.S. Army.

He walked his way toward the front rows, stood about 20-30 feet from the stage and shouted “Donald” while waving his document to try to get Trump’s attention.

“He entirely mistook that and thought that I was a protester,” Cary said.

Trump’s response: “Were you paid $1,500 to be a thug?” Cary was escorted out.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article111038352.html#storylink=cpy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2016, 04:05:27 PM

:lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 28, 2016, 04:18:40 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 02:53:44 PM

Plot twist: "The device" was actually just a clock.

Ahmed the clock boy fucking us again

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 28, 2016, 04:22:33 PM

AiA has seen his shadow, we now get 6 more weeks of quiet.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on October 28, 2016, 05:01:18 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 03:04:56 PM

Y'all so thirsty to be the next left leaning gaf that you'll openly back a woman who hates white straight men. Fascinating. I'll just watch you all circle your way out of this Hilary bullshit again. It's fascinating.

Where there is smoke there is always fire. My bet is emails from Obama, watch lol.

Maybe some of her crazier fans (the 'trigglypuff' tumblerinas and your average GAF OT poster), but nothing she has ever said and done ever implied she hates straight white men.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 28, 2016, 05:10:03 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsIX0uF2n-M

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 05:17:29 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2016, 03:10:45 PM

It's probably emails from Weiner to Huma, asking if Bill and Hill are down for swinging.

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The investigation into allegations that former Rep. Anthony Weiner (D-NY) was sexting with a 15-year-old girl led to the uncovering of new emails linked to the Hillary Clinton private server case

:neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on October 28, 2016, 05:24:08 PM

This shit writes itself. It's like we are a petulant teenager....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: brawndolicious on October 28, 2016, 05:25:56 PM

She married a straight white dude actually so that kinda gives her privilege to bash them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2016, 06:00:01 PM

Classy people, those Hillary supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aArXQnCM_Og

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2016, 06:20:31 PM

On another note, Anthony Weiner done fucked up again: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-the-fbi-is-back-this-time-with-anthony-weiner/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2016, 06:25:46 PM

Man, 2016 is like "You know what? Fuck EVERYBODY and everything. When I'm done with you, you're going to have an eye twitch every time someone even mentions 2016"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on October 28, 2016, 07:29:11 PM

I decided to early vote today. I had planned on voting on the actual election night and voting for Hillary but when the new email news broke I swallowed my pride, admitted I was wrong and decided to vote Trump before i talked myself out of it. I'm prepared for the onslaught of shit from you guys for it but whatever. I vote my conscience and I just can't honestly say I trust Hillary.

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Just kidding. Voted Hillary. Should i post that on GAF though?

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 07:32:24 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 28, 2016, 07:29:11 PM

I decided to early vote today. I had planned on voting on the actual election night and voting for Hillary but when the new email news broke I swallowed my pride, admitted I was wrong and decided to vote Trump before i talked myself out of it. I'm prepared for the onslaught of shit from you guys for it but whatever. I vote my conscience and I just can't honestly say I trust Hillary.

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Just kidding. Voted Hillary. Should i post that on GAF though?

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Do it and make sure you mention your hispanic heritage  :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 28, 2016, 07:53:14 PM

 :neogaf
new wikileak:
2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election (http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/#.WBOP6mO8ojs.twitter)

the audio is in the link

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“I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake,” said Sen. Clinton. “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”

october surprise eh

(as far as i can tell that's the only bad part, so the title is admittedly inflammatory and should be viewed as such. nevertheless, this is what people will talk about nahmean)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2016, 07:56:51 PM

http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/28/13459750/trump-video-miss-universe-grab-kiss-jennifer-hawkins

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2016, 07:56:59 PM

http://thehill.com/media/303242-levin-megyn-kelly-auditioning-to-leave-fox-news

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"She is auditioning, in my opinion, for a bigger forum. That’s not exactly a state secret. ... Fine. But please don’t pretend you’re a journalist,” said Levin, who worked in Ronald Reagan’s administration.
 
Levin also blamed Kelly for "lighting the fuse" for Trump to be attacked over his behavior toward women.
 
During the first GOP presidential primary debate in August 2015, Kelly asked Trump about derogatory comments about women he made before his campaign. Trump responded by joking that they were all directed toward comedian Rosie O’Donnell.
 
“[Kelly] was so obsessed with Rosie O’Donnell and Donald Trump and things that were said back and forth, she set the stage for what became month after month of vicious personal, nasty attacks, and she’s doing it again,” Levin said.

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“There was no news. There was regurgitation — 14 days before an election," Levin said of the interview.
 
"If this is the future of Fox, then Fox will be dead. Because this kind of National Enquirer stuff dressed up as journalism doesn’t fly.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 07:57:20 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 28, 2016, 07:53:14 PM

:neogaf
new wikileak:
2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election (http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/#.WBOP6mO8ojs.twitter)

the audio is in the link

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“I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake,” said Sen. Clinton. “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”

october surprise eh

(as far as i can tell that's the only bad part, so the title is admittedly inflammatory and should be viewed as such. nevertheless, this is what people will talk about nahmean)

Let's be honest, outside of a few fringe conservative sites and The Young Turks, nobody's going to talk about that for more than two seconds.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 28, 2016, 07:57:38 PM

Nobody cares about Palestine.  It doesn't even show up on my iPhone word list as I'm typing this shitpost

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2016, 07:59:57 PM

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/28/donald-trump-will-win-the-election-and-is-more-popular-than-obama-in-2008-ai-system-finds.html

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An artificial intelligence system that correctly predicted the last three U.S. presidential elections puts Republican nominee Donald Trump ahead of Democrat rival Hillary Clinton in the race for the White House.

MogIA was developed by Sanjiv Rai, founder of Indian start-up Genic.ai. It takes in 20 million data points from public platforms including Google, Facebook, Twitter and YouTube in the U.S. and then analyzes the information to create predictions.

The AI system was created in 2004, so it has been getting smarter all the time. It had already correctly predicted the results of the Democratic and Republican Primaries.

Data such as engagement with tweets or Facebook Live videos have been taken into account. The result is that Trump has overtaken the engagement numbers of Barack Obama's peak in 2008 — the year he was elected president — by 25 percent.

Rai said that his AI system shows that the candidate in each election who had leading engagement data ended up winning the election.

"If Trump loses, it will defy the data trend for the first time in the last 12 years since Internet engagement began in full earnest," Rai wrote in a report sent to CNBC.

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Rai said his system would be improved by more granular data. He said that If Google was to give him access to the unique internet addresses assigned to each digital device, he could then collect data on exactly what people were thinking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 28, 2016, 08:00:52 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 28, 2016, 07:57:20 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 28, 2016, 07:53:14 PM

:neogaf
new wikileak:
2006 Audio Emerges of Hillary Clinton Proposing Rigging Palestine Election (http://observer.com/2016/10/2006-audio-emerges-of-hillary-clinton-proposing-rigging-palestine-election/#.WBOP6mO8ojs.twitter)

the audio is in the link

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“I do not think we should have pushed for an election in the Palestinian territories. I think that was a big mistake,” said Sen. Clinton. “And if we were going to push for an election, then we should have made sure that we did something to determine who was going to win.”

october surprise eh

(as far as i can tell that's the only bad part, so the title is admittedly inflammatory and should be viewed as such. nevertheless, this is what people will talk about nahmean)

Let's be honest, outside of a few fringe conservative sites and The Young Turks, nobody's going to talk about that for more than two seconds.

Possible, but when you pile it on with the FBI probe in terms of "what's hot right now" I think there's a chance.
Again, just posting cause I figured it might be "news" today

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: thisismyusername on October 28, 2016, 08:04:32 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 28, 2016, 07:57:38 PM

Nobody cares about Palestine.  It doesn't even show up on my iPhone word list as I'm typing this shitpost

You mean Philistines?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on October 28, 2016, 08:29:42 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 28, 2016, 07:32:24 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 28, 2016, 07:29:11 PM

I decided to early vote today. I had planned on voting on the actual election night and voting for Hillary but when the new email news broke I swallowed my pride, admitted I was wrong and decided to vote Trump before i talked myself out of it. I'm prepared for the onslaught of shit from you guys for it but whatever. I vote my conscience and I just can't honestly say I trust Hillary.

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Just kidding. Voted Hillary. Should i post that on GAF though?

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Do it and make sure you mention your hispanic heritage  :sabu

Ooooh. Nice touch. I'll wait til I run across the perfect post to respond to over there

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2016, 08:39:03 PM

this story is so fucking frustrating.  ITS NOTHING

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 28, 2016, 08:53:30 PM

Daiblos has reached critical mass on GAF  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 28, 2016, 09:08:43 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 28, 2016, 08:39:03 PM

this story is so fucking frustrating.  ITS NOTHING

(https://media.giphy.com/media/2IN6C8RaqlKdG/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 28, 2016, 09:35:19 PM

TBH I'd be totally down for Palestine to have their elections rigged.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on October 28, 2016, 10:57:02 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 28, 2016, 06:00:01 PM

Classy people, those Hillary supporters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aArXQnCM_Og

I'm not really sure what this is.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2016, 02:49:50 AM

(https://abload.de/img/photo_061108_004epuwi.jpg)

can I rescind my vote

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 03:41:38 AM

dat girl lookin at him like "oh great another one"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on October 29, 2016, 08:19:59 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2016, 07:56:51 PM

http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/28/13459750/trump-video-miss-universe-grab-kiss-jennifer-hawkins

How is this humiliation and sexual assault?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 29, 2016, 08:43:21 AM

Quote from: Raist on October 29, 2016, 08:19:59 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on October 28, 2016, 07:56:51 PM

http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/28/13459750/trump-video-miss-universe-grab-kiss-jennifer-hawkins

How is this humiliation and sexual assault?

I bet if we put you on the stage and Trump did that to you you'd feel assaulted and humiliated.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on October 29, 2016, 08:45:14 AM

Quote from: Dufus on October 29, 2016, 08:29:35 AM

Unwanted kissing and grabbing is sexual assault. :doge

And in front a crowd, that's humiliating?

I don't know man I'm just thinking out loud here. :doge

I don't really see anything in her body language that remotely suggests that.
But then again I grew up in France in the 80's when we had commercials with topless women rubbing their tits to sell you the new shower gel on the market, so maybe I'm not so prone to being as woke as 'muhrica when it comes to sensitivity to sex-related stuff.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 29, 2016, 09:11:13 AM

To me it looks like it was such a surprise and he did it so quick that she didn't have time to react. This behavior is right in line with what he himself described as his MO.

Quote from: Donald Trump

“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them, it’s like a magnet. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ‘em by the pussy.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 29, 2016, 09:39:06 AM

That is hilarious that Anthony Weiner is fucking things up this badly.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv7zngyXgAEfIXF.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 29, 2016, 09:52:25 AM

Also Gary "dude weed lmao" Johnson becomes a self parody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvULsrjLdI4

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 29, 2016, 10:18:25 AM

Fucking Weiner.



Also, Gary Johnson is nuts. He seems like a likeable harmless fella but when he get's challenged he goes berserk. Startling transformation.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on October 29, 2016, 10:32:47 AM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 29, 2016, 09:52:25 AM

Also Gary "dude weed lmao" Johnson becomes a self parody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvULsrjLdI4

He’s Michael from The Office. I guess that makes Weld his Dwight Shrute.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 29, 2016, 11:21:26 AM

Quote from: doctavius bonbon on October 28, 2016, 04:00:05 PM

http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article111038352.html

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KINSTON
Nash County resident C.J. Cary arrived at the Kinston Jet Center Wednesday night in eager anticipation of a Donald Trump rally.

Cary says he wanted to deliver a note to Trump urging him to be less offensive and more inclusive to four demographic groups: black people, women, people with disabilities and college students. Cary, an African-American, says he’s an ex-Marine who also worked in Afghanistan as a civilian for the U.S. Army.

He walked his way toward the front rows, stood about 20-30 feet from the stage and shouted “Donald” while waving his document to try to get Trump’s attention.

“He entirely mistook that and thought that I was a protester,” Cary said.

Trump’s response: “Were you paid $1,500 to be a thug?” Cary was escorted out.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article111038352.html#storylink=cpy

So that's why AiA is upset today.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 12:26:54 PM

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/28/gay-thought-police-like-soviet-era-bullies/

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Michael Lucas is a gay activist, columnist, pornographic film actor and director. He is founder and CEO of Lucas Entertainment, New York’s largest gay adult film company and one of the biggest gay porn production companies in the world.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 12:38:29 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 29, 2016, 09:52:25 AM

Also Gary "dude weed lmao" Johnson becomes a self parody

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvULsrjLdI4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvULsrjLdI4)

It's leadership. It is leadership.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 03:01:46 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNX3k5tc_8w

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on October 29, 2016, 03:12:30 PM

FBI
KGB

IFB
KGB

JGB
KGB

KGB
KGB

210. Half of 420. Coincidence? I think not.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 29, 2016, 03:15:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVMnOTeWbHA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 03:26:59 PM

Quote from: Raist on October 29, 2016, 03:12:30 PM

FBI
KGB

IFB
KGB

JGB
KGB

KGB
KGB

210. Half of 420. Coincidence? I think not.

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Pang Layman19 hours ago (edited)
Kudos to Tim Ryan here! Finally someone speaking the truth! Could Anthony Weiner actually be working for the Russians now? Like maybe his name is really Anthony Weinarov? Could the penetration go this far? The American people should be so concerned about where these emails are coming from it isn't funny and he was trying to be Mayor of New York. Imagine Putin in control of New York! OMG!!! American people please wake up before you are enslaved by Russia!!!! Thanks Tim Ryan!!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 29, 2016, 03:43:32 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv9XbEgWEAASf00.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv9XbEaWgAA2s4q.jpg)

Story here. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-boasts-of-his-philanthropy-but-his-giving-falls-short-of-his-words/2016/10/29/b3c03106-9ac7-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html)

It's crazy that David Fahrenthold has been churning out stories with actual new content for months based on just one narrow aspect of Trump's fuckery.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2016, 04:08:11 PM

Quote

In 1997, for instance, he was “principal for a day” at a public school in an impoverished area of the Bronx. The chess team was holding a bake sale, Hot & Crusty danishes and croissants. They were $5,000 short of what they needed to travel to a tournament.

Trump had brought something to wow them.

“He handed them a fake million-dollar bill,” said David MacEnulty, a teacher and the chess team’s coach.

The team’s parent volunteers were thrilled.

Then disappointment.

Trump then gave them $200 in real money and drove away in a limousine.

#MAGA #YOLO

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 04:26:22 PM

Quote from: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/2020-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-230486

“The challenge for everybody’s going to be, 'What if he gets 48 or 49 percent?’” Gingrich said in a video interview for POLITICO’s “Open Mike” series. “And what if he says: ‘You know, I like this campaign and stuff. I ain’t leaving’? There will then be a Trump Party.”

Speaking a few hours before the FBI’s email review became public, Gingrich declared that “odds are better than even” that Trump will win.

But the former House speaker added that if not, Trump might form “a Trump Party inside the Republican Party, just the way William Jennings Bryan brought populism into the Democratic Party.”

Gingrich floated the notion when he was asked if Trump TV — a new media empire that might emerge from the campaign’s aftermath — would be a good idea.

“It’d be silly,” Gingrich said at his office in Arlington, Va. “He’s bigger than that. … It’s an irrelevancy. I mean, I know what it takes to run CNN or Fox. These are big operations, and he could do that if he wants to get out of politics, but he doesn’t need it.”

And so you think he might run again in 2020?

"I think that’s very possible,” Gingrich responded. "I think he likes being part of a movement — he likes thinking of it as a movement. … I was thinking about this, [and] he said to me the other morning, … ‘I sent out one tweet and 15,000 people showed up.’”

POLITICO asked: So you’re predicting a Trump-Clinton rematch?

Gingrich: “Could be, assuming she survives.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2016, 04:33:59 PM

All these people that are going to wake up on November 9th and have to find a way to salvage their reputations. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 29, 2016, 04:55:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2016, 04:33:59 PM

All these people that are going to wake up on November 9th and have to find a way to salvage their reputations. :lawd

no, they really won't. And that's the great thing about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on October 29, 2016, 05:05:05 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 29, 2016, 03:43:32 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv9XbEgWEAASf00.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv9XbEaWgAA2s4q.jpg)

Story here. (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-boasts-of-his-philanthropy-but-his-giving-falls-short-of-his-words/2016/10/29/b3c03106-9ac7-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html)

It's crazy that David Fahrenthold has been churning out stories with actual new content for months based on just one narrow aspect of Trump's fuckery.

That article is a great read, thank you.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2016, 05:51:19 PM

https://twitter.com/kerpen/status/792359883744174080
 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 29, 2016, 08:50:59 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-aide-huma-abedin-has-told-people-she-doesnt-know-how-her-emails-wound-up-on-her-husbands-computer/2016/10/29/1d30c2b8-9e15-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html

Has anyone floated the idea that Russian hackers placed those e-mails in Weiner's laptop?  Howard Dean came close.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on October 29, 2016, 08:52:15 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 29, 2016, 08:50:59 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/clinton-aide-huma-abedin-has-told-people-she-doesnt-know-how-her-emails-wound-up-on-her-husbands-computer/2016/10/29/1d30c2b8-9e15-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html

Has anyone floated the idea that Russian hackers placed those e-mails in Weiner's laptop?  Howard Dean came close.

No, it was the FBI, on Putin's orders.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on October 30, 2016, 12:34:40 AM

Quote from: HyperZoneWasAwesome on October 29, 2016, 04:55:21 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2016, 04:33:59 PM

All these people that are going to wake up on November 9th and have to find a way to salvage their reputations. :lawd

no, they really won't. And that's the great thing about it.

I heard the other day that someone said that Trump "had the issues right", which sounded very similar to what have been said about the far right over here ("The right questions, with the wrong answers" :derp). I don't think there will be a reckoning, Never Trumps will probably be celebrated but ultimately they'll just put the skeleton in the closet without really adressing "the issues"... If even that because if the rumors of a "Trump TV" have any truth, Donald will linger around politics for a few years still.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 12:41:16 AM

https://twitter.com/bobshrum/status/792095468897521666
https://twitter.com/BobShrum/status/792097780659478528
https://twitter.com/BobShrum/status/792102571288604672

 :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 01:45:49 AM

(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2016/10/24125939/PI_2016.10.25_Politics-and-Social-Media_0-01.png)(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2016/10/24130012/PI_2016.10.25_Politics-and-Social-Media_0-02.png)(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2016/10/24130848/PI_2016.10.25_Politics-and-Social-Media_2-05.png)

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fully half (50%) of social media users say they have been surprised by the political views of someone in their online network because of something that person posted.

Users who said they were surprised by friends’ views based on their social media postings were asked to describe a recent situation where this happened, a number of themes emerged when these comments were coded and analyzed. In particular, a substantial share of these respondents indicated that they had been surprised to learn that someone they knew felt positively toward a specific candidate in this year’s presidential race. Here is a selection of these responses:

• “Someone who posted a pro-Trump post, who [being from] an immigrant family would likely be someone that the Trump camp would not like at all.”
  “Someone who I assumed never ever bothered to vote and I’ve never heard talk about politics at all has been a big vocal supporter of Trump. Mostly for the wrong bigoted and misinformed reasons. It was surprising to see such a nice person jump on the hateful bigot bandwagon.”
  “I thought my neighbor was a true diehard Republican until he began to post negative things about Trump and began hitting the button when somebody posted positive things about Secretary Clinton. What a surprise!!!”
  “It has shocked me to think that people really feel that Clinton, in spite of all the wrong that she has done still would be a positive for presidency … how can she not be held accountable for Benghazi, emails, and everything?”

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One-in-five social media users (20%) say they have modified their views about a political or social issue because of something they saw on social media, while 17% say they have modified their views about a particular political candidate.

When asked to describe a recent situation in which this had happened to them, a substantial share of respondents made reference to Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump – in many cases indicating that social media content had changed their opinions of these candidates for the worse. Here is a sample of some of their responses:

• “Became more wary of Hillary Clinton based on what I saw on social media.”
  “Trump continues to voice his opinion incredibly ignorantly about immigration and made my respect for him tank.”
  “My opinion on Trump is MUCH worse after reading his tweets.”
  “All the videos circulating about Hillary Clinton and her email debauchery. Now I think she is even more evil and corrupt than originally thought.”

Other issues on which users indicated that they had changed their minds thanks to material on social media include race and race relations, guns and gun control, gay marriage, and immigration. Here is a selection of these responses:

• “Videos of black people being murdered by police made me more angry and therefore more outspoken about Black Lives Matter.”
  “I saw some of my friends were animated about left-leaning things like Bernie Sanders and gay marriage. Originally I was against gay marriage and have now accepted it.”
  “I don’t know that anything specifically has changed, but I’m pretty open-minded and I always try to take other people’s opinions to heart and learn from them. There are issues, such as global warming and immigration – just to name two – that I have softened my stance on, because I see another perspective, and understand it better based upon social media posts.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 09:41:36 AM

Amir0x has the same temperament as Donald Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 30, 2016, 09:42:17 AM

Chicago Tribune asks Hillary to step down: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

It's funny how a couple days ago, people delusionally thought Hillary had a chance in places like Arizona and Texas (she never did).  Today, everyone but the hardcore is ready to admit defeat.

I'm glad I was able to place some well timed bets while the getting was good

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 30, 2016, 10:18:49 AM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 30, 2016, 09:42:17 AM

Chicago Tribune asks Hillary to step down: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

It's funny how a couple days ago, people delusionally thought Hillary had a chance in places like Arizona and Texas (she never did).  Today, everyone but the hardcore is ready to admit defeat.

I'm glad I was able to place some well timed bets while the getting was good

Your better than this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: toku on October 30, 2016, 10:26:01 AM

Are any of us?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2016, 10:34:57 AM

ffs MTW

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 10:36:56 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 09:41:36 AM

Amir0x has the same temperament as Donald Trump.

Sorry, forgot to post quote/link

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We know Clinton is gonna win.

The thing to fear is whether all this will make us lose the Senate. If it does, the first fucking thing Clinton needs to do is destroy Comey's life.

Number one, on day one. The first fucking conversation: how many ways can we ruin Comey?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=222135347&postcount=4016

So he wants the new POTUS, as their first act as Commander in Chief to plot revenge, like a petty, thin-skinned, vindictive idiot? Why doesn't he just vote for Trump?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 10:57:52 AM

Quote from: Dufus on October 30, 2016, 10:46:05 AM

You know if Joe Biden ran it would have been a fucking landslide.

Why does Shillary have to be so bad at being a politician.

She is good at being a politician, maybe too good. She just sucks with technology (how does i email)

Biden is a straight shooter, and less of a politician, which is why he would have killed it.

And the only reason he didn't run is because his son was dying. We could have had President Biden.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:14:25 AM

What is with these Joe Biden fantasies?  I like Diamond Joe as much as the next guy, but he and Hillary already ran for president in the same cycle.

He got 1% in Iowa and dropped out before New Hampshire.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 11:34:01 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:14:25 AM

What is with these Joe Biden fantasies?  I like Diamond Joe as much as the next guy, but he and Hillary already ran for president in the same cycle.

He got 1% in Iowa and dropped out before New Hampshire.

hey! look at that over there! wow can you believe

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:36:10 AM

Quote from: Shark Johnson on October 30, 2016, 11:20:43 AM

2016 Joe Biden isn't the same as 2008 Joe Biden, tho.

Yeah, he'd probably be a bit closer to Edwards in '08 if he ran this time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 11:38:16 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:14:25 AM

What is with these Joe Biden fantasies?  I like Diamond Joe as much as the next guy, but he and Hillary already ran for president in the same cycle.

He got 1% in Iowa and dropped out before New Hampshire.

That's the problem. Both Bernie and Joe lose to Clinton in the primaries, but they stack up so much better vs. Trump head to head.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2016, 11:45:20 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 12:41:16 AM

https://twitter.com/bobshrum/status/792095468897521666
https://twitter.com/BobShrum/status/792097780659478528
https://twitter.com/BobShrum/status/792102571288604672

 :rofl

Is there anything more progressive than losing?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:46:31 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 11:38:16 AM

That's the problem. Both Bernie and Joe lose to Clinton in the primaries, but they stack up so much better vs. Trump head to head.

How so?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 11:48:39 AM

Jamie Gorelick? We're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/james-comey-is-damaging-our-democracy/2016/10/29/894d0f5e-9e49-11e6-a0ed-ab0774c1eaa5_story.html

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 30, 2016, 09:42:17 AM

Chicago Tribune asks Hillary to step down: http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/kass/ct-hillary-clinton-emails-kass-1030-20161028-column.html

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Has America become so numb by the decades of lies and cynicism oozing from Clinton Inc. that it could elect Hillary Clinton as president, even after Friday's FBI announcement that it had reopened an investigation of her emails while secretary of state?

We'll find out soon enough.

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That he announced this so close to Election Day should tell every thinking person that what the FBI is looking at is extremely serious.

This can't be about pervert Anthony Weiner and his reported desire for a teenage girl. But it can be about the laptop of Weiner's wife, Clinton aide Huma Abedin, and emails between her and Hillary. It comes after the FBI investigation in which Comey concluded Clinton had lied and been "reckless" with national secrets, but said he could not recommend prosecution.

So what should the Democrats do now?

If ruling Democrats hold themselves to the high moral standards they impose on the people they govern, they would follow a simple process:

They would demand that Mrs. Clinton step down, immediately, and let her vice presidential nominee, Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia, stand in her place.

Democrats should say, honestly, that with a new criminal investigation going on into events around her home-brew email server from the time she was secretary of state, having Clinton anywhere near the White House is just not a good idea.

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What if she is elected? Think of a nation suffering a bad economy and continuing chaos in the Middle East, and now also facing a criminal investigation of a president. Add to that congressional investigations and a public vision of Clinton as a Nixonian figure wandering the halls, wringing her hands.

The best thing would be for Democrats to ask her to step down now. It would be the most responsible thing to do, if the nation were more important to them than power. And the American news media — fairly or not firmly identified in the public mind as Mrs. Clinton's political action committee — should begin demanding it.

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If you take a step back from tribal politics, you'll see that Mrs. Clinton has clearly disqualified herself from ever coming near classified information again. If she were a young person straight out of grad school hoping to land a government job, Hillary Clinton would be laughed out of Washington with her record. She'd never be hired.

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MerryPrankster
The only way the email story could get any worse for Clinton would be if some kind of actual wrongdoing were unearthed at some point.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:50:43 AM

did you just block quote a piece that someone else linked to upthread?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 11:53:33 AM

says who?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:54:46 AM

we luv ya benji, but sometimes you can be a bit too benji

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 11:55:56 AM

like anyone was going to follow MTW's link to see the delicious morsels within

if you held yourself to the high moral standards you try to impose on the people of lower poster classes, you'd step aside

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 11:59:44 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 11:46:31 AM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 11:38:16 AM

That's the problem. Both Bernie and Joe lose to Clinton in the primaries, but they stack up so much better vs. Trump head to head.

How so?

Are you serious? Hillary has way too much baggage and is surrounded by scandals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 12:00:38 PM

What baggage do you mean?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: headwalk on October 30, 2016, 12:05:35 PM

is there anywhere on the internet i can go for a lite relatively neutral take on US politics where people can take a joke?

basically this thread but with more than six people in it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 12:11:16 PM

Quote from: headwalk on October 30, 2016, 12:05:35 PM

is there anywhere on the internet i can go for a lite relatively neutral take on US politics where people can take a joke?

basically this thread but with more than six people in it.

http://truthfeed.com/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 12:12:49 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 12:00:38 PM

What baggage do you mean?

the fact that she was married to Bill alone makes people question voting for her. Voting for the Iraq war. There's tons, man, come on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on October 30, 2016, 12:28:43 PM

She might have a pretty brief honeymoon period as a President, once the big orange baloon is out of the way.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: headwalk on October 30, 2016, 12:46:13 PM

will that happen though? seems to be a whole generation of warriors who are now engaged in mortal combat with all her detractors due to the apocalyptic nature of the alternative, paladins who have sworn their virginity to her.

presidential personality cults weren't really a thing for liberal america until obama. did it become a coping mechanism to deal with the disparity between his likable personality and same old same old corporatism?

mental to think of how popular he is still despite the whole NSA thing coming out under his watch. not only that, the organisation that broke that story are now widely despised in liberal circles.

point is, i can't see these people who have personally invested every fibre of their being in getting this person elected suddenly reactivate their faculties for critical thought in a few months time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2016, 01:09:49 PM

what if trump had run for the democratic nomination, attacking jeb and rubio and bernie and carly and etc.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 30, 2016, 01:31:27 PM

is it a good time to get off this planet

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 01:40:01 PM

Humanity is not worthy of Elon Musk  :bow2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 02:02:20 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 12:12:49 PM

the fact that she was married to Bill alone makes people question voting for her. Voting for the Iraq war. There's tons, man, come on.

In the context of Joe Biden being a better, less burdened candidate?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 02:05:40 PM

It's not one isolated thing with Hillary, but then sum of everything. How many things can Biden be nailed on besides that one thing?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 30, 2016, 02:27:16 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 12:00:38 PM

What baggage do you mean?

Being a woman.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: headwalk on October 30, 2016, 02:30:37 PM

biden seems like he could be fallible and everyone would be alright with it. he could probably put out a special on netflix where he just riffs on various times everything went tits up a month before polling day and he'd come out ahead. probably even get his hair ruffled on jimmy fallon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2016, 02:36:58 PM

Surprise: just about anyone would beat Trump this year. Biden for sure, even Sanders.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2016, 02:38:26 PM

Biden would be getting hammered for various things if he were in the middle of the general election fire, but right now he's just the cool uncle VP so he gets away with stuff because most people don't really care.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 02:41:00 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 02:05:40 PM

It's not one isolated thing with Hillary, but then sum of everything. How many things can Biden be nailed on besides that one thing?

Off the top of my head:

• His '88 campaign was basically ended by a plagiarism scandal. He was pretty credibly accused of plagiarism in college, to boot.
• He was chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Clarence Thomas was confirmed, and was largely seen as going very easy on the Anita Hill accusations.
• A record of being very protective of the financial industry (a lot of which is based in Delaware cause of favorable state laws), culminating in the 2005 bankruptcy bill which he sponsored.
• Didn't just vote for the final '96 welfare bill, but for an earlier version which was harsh enough that Bill Clinton had vetoed it.
• Not only voted for the Iraq War but actively used his role as chair of the Foreign Relations Committee to push towards that war (inviting pro-war testimonials etc.)
• The crime bill which came up this cycle as a knock on Hillary? Biden was a sponsor and was taking credit for having written it as of his '08 campaign.
• He sponsored a bill on civil forfeiture in the 80's, and has generally been a big supporter of the war on drugs.
• Has a generally hawkish record, though he never quite went full dingus like Joe Lieberman did.

I know that Biden is the cuddly, plain-talking uncle now, but that's largely a function of him not running for president and inviting all the oppo research and scrutiny that comes with that.

More generally, any successful mainstream Democratic politician from the 80's or 90's is going to be an awkward fit in some ways because the party has moved left in several areas.  A campaign just gives reason to actively discuss it.


edit:   :lol I swear I wrote the uncle thing before I saw Rumbler's post.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: headwalk on October 30, 2016, 02:44:30 PM

"i tell ya, there was this one time in college, i'd just got with this girl and i was spending all my time with her...who here went to college in the 60s? ain't like it is now let me tell ya!"

*audience howls"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 02:49:57 PM

Mandark, YOU and other libs can fault him for being too right of center in the past, but certainly not republicans. If anything that would make him seem way less moderate and threatening than Hillary to independents. As for the Iraq stuff, fair point. But as we saw, the Iraq thing didn't do much to derail Hillary either.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 02:53:22 PM

Dude what?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 02:55:51 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 02:53:22 PM

Dude what?

might have misread your post bro, I'll do more research on Biden

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on October 30, 2016, 03:04:09 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 02:41:00 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 02:05:40 PM

It's not one isolated thing with Hillary, but then sum of everything. How many things can Biden be nailed on besides that one thing?

Off the top of my head:

• His '88 campaign was basically ended by a plagiarism scandal. He was pretty credibly accused of plagiarism in college, to boot.
• He was chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee when Clarence Thomas was confirmed, and was largely seen as going very easy on the Anita Hill accusations.
• A record of being very protective of the financial industry (a lot of which is based in Delaware cause of favorable state laws), culminating in the 2005 bankruptcy bill which he sponsored.
• Didn't just vote for the final '96 welfare bill, but for an earlier version which was harsh enough that Bill Clinton had vetoed it.
• Not only voted for the Iraq War but actively used his role as chair of the Foreign Relations Committee to push towards that war (inviting pro-war testimonials etc.)
• The crime bill which came up this cycle as a knock on Hillary? Biden was a sponsor and was taking credit for having written it as of his '08 campaign.
• He sponsored a bill on civil forfeiture in the 80's, and has generally been a big supporter of the war on drugs.
• Has a generally hawkish record, though he never quite went full dingus like Joe Lieberman did.

I know that Biden is the cuddly, plain-talking uncle now, but that's largely a function of him not running for president and inviting all the oppo research and scrutiny that comes with that.

More generally, any successful mainstream Democratic politician from the 80's or 90's is going to be an awkward fit in some ways because the party has moved left in several areas.  A campaign just gives reason to actively discuss it.


edit:   :lol I swear I wrote the uncle thing before I saw Rumbler's post.

Also the R.A.V.E. act, which led to the closer of some amazing clubs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_Americans%27_Vulnerability_to_Ecstasy_Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_Americans%27_Vulnerability_to_Ecstasy_Act)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 03:18:19 PM

Aight, I'll elaborate.

In terms of actual record, Hillary's "baggage" is basically being implicated in DLC style politics from the 80's and 90's: hawkish on foreign policy, punitive on drugs and crime, soft on banks, giving away jobs through free trade, etc.  These are the areas on which she's been attacked the most throughout the campaign, and they're subjects where Biden either shares or outdoes those vulnerabilities.  If it's baggage for her, it's baggage for him (and if it's not, then Molotov is right).

Now some of them are more of a problem in a Dem primary than in the general, but if we assume a centrist record is a plus with the electorate, then we can't also say Sanders would be a better matchup against Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 03:36:05 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 03:18:19 PM

Aight, I'll elaborate.

In terms of actual record, Hillary's "baggage" is basically being implicated in DLC style politics from the 80's and 90's: hawkish on foreign policy, punitive on drugs and crime, soft on banks, giving away jobs through free trade, etc.  These are the areas on which she's been attacked the most throughout the campaign, and they're subjects where Biden either shares or outdoes those vulnerabilities.  If it's baggage for her, it's baggage for him (and if it's not, then Molotov is right).

Now some of them are more of a problem in a Dem primary than in the general, but if we assume a centrist record is a plus with the electorate, then we can't also say Sanders would be a better matchup against Trump.

Well, I am operating on the assumption that there would be no private server scandals associated with Biden. Or being married to a sexual predator. I'm not saying it's justified baggage, just shit for republicans to latch on to.

Yes, you are right that if we assume a centrist record is a plus for the electorate then Sanders is problematic. But against Trump, he would be the perfect candidate I feel. Hillary has that "Washington establishment" thing everyone holds against her, whereas Bernie had that rogue outsider thing going for him, as does Trump. He has no history of saying or doing anything racially or sexually inflammatory. And is extremely popular with younger voters who are not energized by Trum or Clinton. When all the scandals about Trump's indescretions came out, if it were Sanders running against him, there would be no way for the Trump campaign to deflect it against Sanders (or most other candidates) in any way. Now, their strategy was not effective as far as damaging Clinton's poll numbers. But it definitely built a narrative that this election cycle is a disgusting circus that no one really wants anything to do with. Anecdotal, but I see things like this on my social media feeds and in real life all the time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: brawndolicious on October 30, 2016, 03:38:59 PM

Obama was charismatic but that didn't help him avoid government shutdowns. Hillary is more electable than anyone else right now because no one can get anything passed in Congress anyways. At least not until new House maps are drawn up anyways.

The problem with electing a white dude at this point in time is that it'll make the loud, backwards part of the GOP settle down when what we need is for that party to get split the fuck up and redeveloped into something more modern.

Quote from: tiesto on October 30, 2016, 03:04:09 PM

Also the R.A.V.E. act, which led to the closer of some amazing clubs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_Americans%27_Vulnerability_to_Ecstasy_Act (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reducing_Americans%27_Vulnerability_to_Ecstasy_Act)

Yeah but weren't a lot of clubs doing shady shit due to drug usage? Like charging outrageous prices for water bottles because they knew what people would pay anything if they were dancing all night on Ecstasy?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 30, 2016, 03:45:20 PM

Seeing agra regurgitate Fox News talking points and faux-scandals is pretty sad confirmation that HRC was right about the "vast right-wing conspiracy."

Compared to Biden and most Dem's who've been on Capital Hill since the 90's, Hillary's only "weakness" is that she was in the public light enough for the right wing hit-squad to notice her. Along with, of course, being a woman (which likely fed into that last point, too.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 03:56:21 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 03:36:05 PM

Well, I am operating on the assumption that there would be no private server scandals associated with Biden. Or being married to a sexual predator. I'm not saying it's justified baggage, just shit for republicans to latch on to.

That's the point!

There is no candidate or potential candidate so pure and angelic that they would not be subjected to Republican FUD, or that the FUD wouldn't stick to them.  You think someone who's been in public service as long as Biden, with such close ties to banks, with a tendency to speak very frankly, who's been VP in an administration Republicans loathe, wouldn't be subjected to attacks, or that the same people who believe shit about Hillary wouldn't believe it about Biden?

I remember when a lot of Dems thought that nominating combat veteran, war hero John Kerry would act as a shield against that stuff.  It doesn't work that way.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 04:59:09 PM

Quote from: Mandark on October 30, 2016, 03:56:21 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 30, 2016, 03:36:05 PM

Well, I am operating on the assumption that there would be no private server scandals associated with Biden. Or being married to a sexual predator. I'm not saying it's justified baggage, just shit for republicans to latch on to.

That's the point!

There is no candidate or potential candidate so pure and angelic that they would not be subjected to Republican FUD, or that the FUD wouldn't stick to them.  You think someone who's been in public service as long as Biden, with such close ties to banks, with a tendency to speak very frankly, who's been VP in an administration Republicans loathe, wouldn't be subjected to attacks, or that the same people who believe shit about Hillary wouldn't believe it about Biden?

I remember when a lot of Dems thought that nominating combat veteran, war hero John Kerry would act as a shield against that stuff.  It doesn't work that way.

Well, I disagree. I mean, yeah, they will try to dig up whatever dirt they can on anyone. But Hillary had the perfect storm of fodder for them to use.

John Kerry didn't lose the election because of switftboat veterans. He lost because he had the personality of a wet mop. He would've lost against Trump handily, I think.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: brawndolicious on October 30, 2016, 05:12:06 PM

Truckload of manure dumped at Ohio Democratic Party office
http://theweek.com/speedreads/658558/truckload-manure-dumped-ohio-democratic-party-office

Well they certainly got some dirt on her now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 30, 2016, 06:55:38 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv_GL3MW8AAnH4m.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 30, 2016, 08:10:29 PM

Mandark is both right and wrong.

Yes, anyone (including Uncle Joe) would be subject to the FUD cannon. The difference with Hillary is that she's ALREADY BEEN IN THE PUBLIC EYE for 24 years. She's a very known quantity. Are most of the "scandals" attached to her baseless? Sure. Does it matter? No, because people are stupid. Quit trying to pretend like we don't live in America, Mandark. There's literally no one feasibly worse that the Dems could have nominated in this respect.

Perception absolutely matters. Probably more than fact, in a lot of cases. The right has spent 24 years painting Hillary as Maleficent of the Ozarks. A lot of people reflexively hate her, even if they can't quantify it. That hate matters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on October 30, 2016, 08:21:33 PM

I can quantify it. It's her neck. That goddamn neck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 30, 2016, 10:32:27 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwCz5MBXYAApFXO.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 30, 2016, 10:35:57 PM

Comey's in kind of a lose/lose situation, and has been pretty much from the start of this whole thing, though he's arguably made it worse by volunteering information that he wasn't obligated to.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 30, 2016, 10:41:03 PM

Quote from: headwalk on October 30, 2016, 12:46:13 PM

will that happen though? seems to be a whole generation of warriors who are now engaged in mortal combat with all her detractors due to the apocalyptic nature of the alternative, paladins who have sworn their virginity to her.

presidential personality cults weren't really a thing for liberal america until obama. did it become a coping mechanism to deal with the disparity between his likable personality and same old same old corporatism?

mental to think of how popular he is still despite the whole NSA thing coming out under his watch. not only that, the organisation that broke that story are now widely despised in liberal circles.

point is, i can't see these people who have personally invested every fibre of their being in getting this person elected suddenly reactivate their faculties for critical thought in a few months time.

there're no presidential cults. the nominees are banners for opposing sides in a culture war. the goal is to piss on the other side's flag while waving yours, and revel in the butthurt.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 30, 2016, 10:59:07 PM

Concerned about voter fraud, Trump urges his supporters to commit voter fraud en masse. (http://www.inquisitr.com/3662378/trump-urges-supporters-to-vote-twice-claiming-rigged-election/)

 :salute

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 30, 2016, 11:16:01 PM

The Hillary thing is really not that complicated. She's disliked to a historic degree for a presidential candidate, and it's not like she's the first nominee to be subjected to a 24/7 fud campaign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 30, 2016, 11:48:53 PM

Prob because she's corny, doesn't seem authentic, and constantly makes unforced errors that baffle the mind. Plus republicans won't let 90s shit die so people associate her with the past.

Still gonna trounce Trump tho.
:umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 12:31:16 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 30, 2016, 03:45:20 PM

Seeing agra regurgitate Fox News talking points and faux-scandals is pretty sad confirmation that HRC was right about the "vast right-wing conspiracy."

Compared to Biden and most Dem's who've been on Capital Hill since the 90's, Hillary's only "weakness" is that she was in the public light enough for the right wing hit-squad to notice her. Along with, of course, being a woman (which likely fed into that last point, too.)

I'm not regurgitating anything. For fucks sake there's an ongoing FBI investigation on her that's been hanging over her head for the duration of the campaign. How the fuck are you going to compare that to some bills Diamond Joe helped pass some 30 odd years ago?

And it's almost like you're purposely misreading what I wrote. I repeatedly said that it's besides the point if all these attacks  against her are valid or not. The point is that she has way more fodder they can use against her than any other Dem candidate. And yes, a lot of it is her own doing. She and her whole team completely mishandled the email situation. Now she is reaping the seeds he has sown. Some of the leaked emails DO make her look like a two-faced career politician, whether you like it or not. And that is, as they say, bad optics.

But you want to accuse me of reposting FOX News talking points, really? Fox News talking points are that she is a criminal that should have been indited for deting over 9000 emails, tried for treason, and jailed for murdering the US consulate in Benghazi. At no point did I come even remotely close to saying anything of the sort. You went full GAF son, never go full GAF.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2016, 12:35:15 AM

1) The effectiveness of attacks on Hillary Clinton's reputation is independent of the substance of these attacks.

2) Hillary Clinton is a bad choice as nominee because of the things in her past which could be used against her.



Y'all can't claim to believe both of these things at once.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 12:45:04 AM

Because those two points are not mutually exclusive and there's miles of gray area in between?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on October 31, 2016, 12:46:04 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 31, 2016, 12:35:15 AM

1) The effectiveness of attacks on Hillary Clinton's reputation is independent of the substance of these attacks.

2) Hillary Clinton is a bad choice as nominee because of the things in her past which could be used against her.



Y'all can't claim to believe both of these things at once.

Sure you can, just remember to always apply Triumph's Razor: assume people are both stupid and awful. Which, you know. Have you met people? They are.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 31, 2016, 12:48:55 AM

Hillary's biggest baggage is she perfectly fits the public's image of a career politician

Quote from: Mandark on October 31, 2016, 12:35:15 AM

1) The effectiveness of attacks on Hillary Clinton's reputation is independent of the substance of these attacks.

2) Hillary Clinton is a bad choice as nominee because of the things in her past which could be used against her.



Y'all can't claim to believe both of these things at once.

:comeon You're deliberately misreading other people's points here

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2016, 12:55:11 AM

aggie, how are they not mutually exclusive?

If the effectiveness of a negative PR campaign doesn't depend on the underlying facts, then trying to preempt such a campaign by picking a "clean" nominee is futile, no?  I feel like this is a pretty simple and straightforward point to understand.


Triumph: okay but what the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?  "People are stupid and awful" is pretty compatible with large amounts of people quickly turning against Biden, Sanders, whoever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2016, 12:57:14 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 30, 2016, 01:31:27 PM

is it a good time to get off this planet

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 31, 2016, 01:22:26 AM

Quote from: Mandark on October 31, 2016, 12:55:11 AM

aggie, how are they not mutually exclusive?

If the effectiveness of a negative PR campaign doesn't depend on the underlying facts, then trying to preempt such a campaign by picking a "clean" nominee is futile, no?  I feel like this is a pretty simple and straightforward point to understand.


Triumph: okay but what the fuck does that have to do with anything I said?  "People are stupid and awful" is pretty compatible with large amounts of people quickly turning against Biden, Sanders, whoever.

Your dumb construction is mutually exclusive, but it doesn't apply to what anyone actually said. You turned "Hillary is uniquely vulnerable to negative press, much of which is unwarranted" into  "the effectiveness of attacks on Hillary Clinton's reputation is independent of the substance of these attacks" which is obviously nonsense and then expected everyone to play along.

Like, you don't have to go beyond a Nate Silver-level of analysis to realize that Hillary is a historically disliked candidate by the public (excluding her opponent, of course).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 01:32:39 AM

Because it's not black and white. That she set up a private servet and then didn't hand over all of the emails to the investigators looks suspect af in its own right. And the guys on the right exaggerated the shit out of that.

They can manufacture attacks out of nothing, but f there is something actually to it makes it that much harder to handwave it away. Sorry, but thats just the nature of political warfare.

What's funny to me is that both the Trump and Clinton talking heads use the same exact languagr to handwave shit their candidate did that is sticking and not going away. For Hillary it's  "yeah she deleted some emails but she's sorry and she learned from her mistake." For Trump is "yeah he grabbed some nonconsensual puss, but he's really sorry and he learned from his mistake"  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on October 31, 2016, 02:05:09 AM

Fair cop, curly, though you're rather retconning the argument.

It was that Clinton would be outperformed by Biden in the general, because he wouldn't be burdened by baggage like the Iraq war.

To me, agrajag being unaware of Biden's vote on the war (which is something I've seen surprisingly often, so not to single him out) pretty well illustrates how contextual approval/favorability ratings are, since his vote would have been rehashed ad nauseum had he been a credible candidate. So I still think it's naive to expect to plug another name into a counterfactual and expect their current numbers to translate to an electoral margin.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 02:54:27 AM

Like I said, Clinton has an ongoing FBI investigation of mishandled classified emails. That's pretty unprecedented, and Biden certainly has no skeleton in his closet that the Republicans nearly the same mileage out of.

So yeah, I don't think she's a criminal, but the ammunition to be used against her is just more abundant than against most other candidates.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trent Dole on October 31, 2016, 04:10:26 AM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 31, 2016, 04:19:45 AM

Like look both candidates are not clean, but Trump is clearly not up to the job by any standards while Hillary is so it's a an easy choice, even for republicans.

If you have to choose a person to lead team USA you might as well pick a capable person who you don't agree with completely IMHO, especially when the other option is such a farce.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on October 31, 2016, 04:24:29 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on October 31, 2016, 04:19:45 AM

Like look both candidates are not clean, but Trump is clearly not up to the job by any standards while Hillary is so it's a an easy choice, even for republicans.

If you have to choose a person to lead team USA you might as well pick a capable person who you don't agree with completely IMHO, especially when the other option is such a farce.

How? She's done a few baffling mistakes. And that's only the stuff we know about. Other than having been in the game for a couple of decades, I don't see how she's fit in any way.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 31, 2016, 04:36:54 AM

Being in the game a couple of decades is exactly the kind of pedigree you want for your president because as they say the proof is in the pudding, and the ability to finish a coherent sentence without jumping to another topic is also a bonus.

Anyway it doesn't matter how good she really is because all that is moot now, there are two candidates left to choose from and if you compare them there is no contest really.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on October 31, 2016, 04:49:54 AM

Dunno bruvs, seems like a plague or cholera situation to me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 31, 2016, 05:05:51 AM

That's pretty harsh, Hillary is more like the common flu. Yeah it's bullshit but at least you know how it will go and you take some rest maybe and everything will be all right.

Trump is more like trying to treat the common flu by injecting new strain of face aids into your veins.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 10:20:16 AM

Raist, is not even close.

I've been vaguely accused of false equivalency and being a Fox News mouthpiece here for some reason  :lol but false equivalency is what you are doing.

Sam Harris said it best. I'll try to paraphrase "The lesser of two evils approach is the only valid approach when you have no good options. Sometimes the lesser of two evils is the only thing that stands between you and true evil. It's like a life preserver. It doesn't matter if it's dirty."

Trump is a dangerous, unhinged nincompoop. Hillary is a deeply flawed candidate (no matter how many times Andrex and Mandark insist she isn't), but she is qualified for the job and overall seems to have decent values and her head screwed on straight. Trump has no values. He changes his mind every other day, and will use aggressive doublethink to convince you that he always believed what he is saying today, even though he was saying the exact opposite yesterday. I have dealt with malignant narcissists in my life, and I believe that's exactly what he is. With a dash of psychopathy. His only mission is to feed his enormous ego. His thought process appears lacking. He constantly says dumb things, like we should've taken all the oil from Iraq during the war, that he is going to build a giant wall across the Mexican border, that more countries should have nukes and that using nukes is an option he would keep open, that he is going to extort money from his NATO allies, that he is going to have a 'deportation force' to remove millions of illegal immigrants from the country, etc. Completely baffling, ludicrous things that don't make sense theoretically, logistically, or ethically. He constantly says things without thinking them through. To defer to Harris once again, Trump is a "child in a man's body."

That is a little harsh to children, however. The idea is the younger the children are, the more narcissistic and self-centered they are, which they grow out of. But children aren't sexual predators, which Trump clearly is. That alone should disqualify him from running. In my estimates that is much worse than whatever vaguely nefarious speeches she gave to the fat cats in Wallstreet.

We haven't even gotten to the countless discrimination lawsuit against his businesses, him not paying his employees, etc. If Hillary has a troubled past, Trump is a downright piece of shit.

The most upsetting thing I hear people say is that Trump is such a great businessman and that he would run the country like one of his businesses. If Trump ran the country like one of his businesses, it would be bankrupt. He has an awful track record, with four of his companies filing for bankruptcy, and himself being very close to being personally bankrupt. Not to mention, with his history of stiffing his own employees and discriminating against others, I sure wouldn't want to live in a country that's run like a Trump corporation. Not a good precedent.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: headwalk on October 31, 2016, 10:55:34 AM

i wouldn't vote for hillary, but then i'm fairly irresponsible. it's a bit like if blair took the reins of the labour party and was the sure fire bet to get the tories out, i still couldn't stomach voting for him.

i say this with the total acknowledgement that if everyone thought like this we'd likely be absolutely fucked atleast in the short term as whoever whipped up the biggest cult frenzy would get in every time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on October 31, 2016, 11:06:37 AM

I'm not voting for Hillary.


Because my ballot got lost in the mail and I'm too lazy to go down to the elections office to get a new one when there's no way in hell Oregon goes red

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2016, 11:13:44 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on October 31, 2016, 11:06:37 AM

Because my ballot got lost in the mail

:drudge TRUMP WAS RIGHT :drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2016, 11:39:38 AM

It will be a joy to see trump tv put fox news out of business, then shortly thereafter, go bankrupt itself.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2016, 12:35:50 PM

Quote

@mitchellvii

I'm less offended by someone saying the N word than I am by the entire Democrat Party treating black voters like slaves.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/793128747469791232

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: brawndolicious on October 31, 2016, 01:12:28 PM

I still haven't sent in my mail in ballot yet but the only reason to vote in California is we have a dozen propositions ranging from recreational weed to death penalty. A few of them are just the weirdest shit no one could understand without researching tho.

I justify voting for Hillary because my mom really wants to and she told me to send pictures of my ballot for her to copy.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 31, 2016, 02:22:22 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on October 31, 2016, 01:12:28 PM

I still haven't sent in my mail in ballot yet but the only reason to vote in California is we have a dozen propositions ranging from recreational weed to death penalty. A few of them are just the weirdest shit no one could understand without researching tho.

I justify voting for Hillary because my mom really wants to and she told me to send pictures of my ballot for her to copy.  :doge

props 66 and 62 yo
Just so you know, if both pass, the one with more votes actually gets enacted since they oppose each other.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: El Babua on October 31, 2016, 02:39:16 PM

When you see a commercial for a state amendment in Florida, you know it's bad.

Amendment 1, "For the Sun" :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 03:09:06 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 30, 2016, 10:32:27 PM

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2016, 03:16:53 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 03:09:06 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 30, 2016, 10:32:27 PM

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cv8o-ajWIAQc5rP.jpg)

Oh, the same Donna Brazile was forced to resign in disgrace after giving Crooked Hillary the debate questions?  :smug

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/31/media/donna-brazile-cnn-resignation/index.html

Checkmate, LIEberals. Your dominos are falling like a house of cards.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2016, 03:25:05 PM

No wonder trump sounded like a moron. He didn't get to prepare his answers ahead of time.  :maf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 04:02:41 PM

Early Voting Numbers Show The Donald on Warpath to Victory (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/31/team-trump-early-voting-numbers-show-the-donald-on-warpath-to-victory/)

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Trump communications advisor Jason Miller said on Breitbart News Sunday that Donald Trump has thousands of more early votes racked up than Mitt Romney did during this point in the 2012 election, giving them more momentum heading into the final week of the 2016 presidential election.

“I want to give you a couple of early voting, absentee voting successes we’ve seen,” Miller told SiriusXM host Matthew Boyle. “We can talk about polls… But let me tell you about real votes coming in now in Florida. Republican numbers at this point are a combination of absentee voting and early voting. Republican numbers are up seven percent, and Democrat numbers are down ten percent. So, what does that mean?”

“Usually, the Democrats will come out of early voting, pre-election voting ahead, but right now, we’re at a pace to be 100,000 votes closer than where Mitt Romney was four years ago,” Miller said.

“Bounce up to North Carolina, where we just had our best day,” he said. “We had 79,000 people that showed up and voted on Friday for Mr. Trump, which is the best single day—well, Republicans showing up and voting, which I’ll assume are for Mr. Trump. Single individual best day of voting, even going back to 2012. We’ve narrowed the gap to where we’re 35,000 votes ahead of where the Republican ticket was four years ago.”

“You look at Iowa. We’re 17,000 votes ahead” of where the Republican party was in 2012, Miller continued. “And even in Nevada, which the Democrats have been trying to say, with the unions and other things, they’ve done a great job, we’re about even where we were four years ago, so if these patterns hold, and we go into Election Day, we feel really, really good about our chances. Think about that: 100,000 votes better at this stage of the game, five days into the early voting in Florida. Thirty-five thousand votes better in North Carolina.”

“Even keep in mind that a lot of these polls were taken before the FBI news on Friday,” he added. “That’s certainly going to impact things. But look: We have the energy, we have the momentum. As long as Republicans and conservatives show up and vote, and say not only do we have a voice but we have a vote. This is our chance to make it count. Mr. Trump’s going to win on November 8.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on October 31, 2016, 04:29:22 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 04:02:41 PM

Early Voting Numbers Show The Donald on Warpath to Victory (http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/31/team-trump-early-voting-numbers-show-the-donald-on-warpath-to-victory/)

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Trump communications advisor Jason Miller said on Breitbart News Sunday that Donald Trump has thousands of more early votes racked up than Mitt Romney did during this point in the 2012 election, giving them more momentum heading into the final week of the 2016 presidential election.

“I want to give you a couple of early voting, absentee voting successes we’ve seen,” Miller told SiriusXM host Matthew Boyle. “We can talk about polls… But let me tell you about real votes coming in now in Florida. Republican numbers at this point are a combination of absentee voting and early voting. Republican numbers are up seven percent, and Democrat numbers are down ten percent. So, what does that mean?”

“Usually, the Democrats will come out of early voting, pre-election voting ahead, but right now, we’re at a pace to be 100,000 votes closer than where Mitt Romney was four years ago,” Miller said.

“Bounce up to North Carolina, where we just had our best day,” he said. “We had 79,000 people that showed up and voted on Friday for Mr. Trump, which is the best single day—well, Republicans showing up and voting, which I’ll assume are for Mr. Trump. Single individual best day of voting, even going back to 2012. We’ve narrowed the gap to where we’re 35,000 votes ahead of where the Republican ticket was four years ago.”

“You look at Iowa. We’re 17,000 votes ahead” of where the Republican party was in 2012, Miller continued. “And even in Nevada, which the Democrats have been trying to say, with the unions and other things, they’ve done a great job, we’re about even where we were four years ago, so if these patterns hold, and we go into Election Day, we feel really, really good about our chances. Think about that: 100,000 votes better at this stage of the game, five days into the early voting in Florida. Thirty-five thousand votes better in North Carolina.”

“Even keep in mind that a lot of these polls were taken before the FBI news on Friday,” he added. “That’s certainly going to impact things. But look: We have the energy, we have the momentum. As long as Republicans and conservatives show up and vote, and say not only do we have a voice but we have a vote. This is our chance to make it count. Mr. Trump’s going to win on November 8.”

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2016, 04:31:30 PM

god fucking dammit benji

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 04:45:18 PM

the best part is that his entire theory hinges on one thing:

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well, [registered] Republicans showing up and voting, which I’ll assume are for Mr. Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2016, 05:00:39 PM

please god just let this election cycle end

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 05:04:50 PM

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i'll assume this is made by some conservative blogger

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2016, 06:27:35 PM

Now that Hillary's campaign is turning into a dumpster fire combined with a train wreck, Nate Silver is trying to cover his ass:

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 31, 2016, 06:31:28 PM

How is he covering his ass?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2016, 06:59:27 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 31, 2016, 06:31:28 PM

How is he covering his ass?

For the past few weeks there were numerous polls that had Hillary up eight points, 10 points, etc. that should have been treated as red flags by the likes of Nate Silver.  Instead of doing any critical analysis on the polls whatsoever, he applied his "algorithm" that skewed the polls further in Hillary's favor instead.  Now that the polls are "swinging", he is unable to explain why Trump is able to close the gap by as much as 10 points in a matter of a few days such as in the ABC/Washington Post poll.  So if those polls were legitimate, what exactly did Trump do that went from being behind by 12 points to being behind by two in a matter of just one week?  It must have been fucking amazing yet I don't recall seeing anything.  This should have been Nate Silver's job, not just skewing things further for the sake of Hillary's supporters.  So now he is pretending that things are really volatile, instead of doing his job in the first place which is finding out why Hillary was ahead by 12 points in a highly charged, highly partisan election.  This country is way too partisan to have those types of margins in the first place.  The only exception we got is in 2008 when the economy was about ready to go tits up, nobody wanted anything to do with neoconservatism and in spite of that, it was just 7.2% gap between Obama and McCain.

tl;dr he is covering his ass because he didn't do his job in the first place and now can't explain the significant changes without looking like he didn't do proper and critical research to begin with.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2016, 07:16:06 PM

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Now that Hillary's campaign is turning into a dumpster fire combined with a train wreck

oh just shut the fuck up already.  You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and you never have.  The media isn't even really focusing on Clinton's involvement with this email thing anymore – most are now shifting focus to Comey's incompetence.  And it looks like it's going to turn to Trump's ties with Russia.

Which all that to say, won't mean dick in either direction.  Silver, Wang, and other polling aggregates have been consistent with their predictions since July.  Meaning – Clinton victory by way of North Carolina and Florida.

Silver is a terrible pundit and his model is designed to appear on the website as constantly fluctuating.  But if you actually check his state-to-state projections, and compare them with Wang's, its been consistent.

Basically, stop trolling.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 31, 2016, 07:22:38 PM

Yeah Sam Wang (who is more respected in stats circles) has had Clinton winning consistently.  Not sure what you are talking about.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2016, 07:44:04 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/5afsu6/hello_trump_family_malik_obama_here_ama/
 :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2016, 07:46:45 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 31, 2016, 06:59:27 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 31, 2016, 06:31:28 PM

How is he covering his ass?

For the past few weeks there were numerous polls that had Hillary up eight points, 10 points, etc. that should have been treated as red flags by the likes of Nate Silver.  Instead of doing any critical analysis on the polls whatsoever, he applied his "algorithm" that skewed the polls further in Hillary's favor instead.  Now that the polls are "swinging", he is unable to explain why Trump is able to close the gap by as much as 10 points in a matter of a few days such as in the ABC/Washington Post poll.  So if those polls were legitimate, what exactly did Trump do that went from being behind by 12 points to being behind by two in a matter of just one week?  It must have been fucking amazing yet I don't recall seeing anything.  This should have been Nate Silver's job, not just skewing things further for the sake of Hillary's supporters.  So now he is pretending that things are really volatile, instead of doing his job in the first place which is finding out why Hillary was ahead by 12 points in a highly charged, highly partisan election.  This country is way too partisan to have those types of margins in the first place.  The only exception we got is in 2008 when the economy was about ready to go tits up, nobody wanted anything to do with neoconservatism and in spite of that, it was just 7.2% gap between Obama and McCain.

tl;dr he is covering his ass because he didn't do his job in the first place and now can't explain the significant changes without looking like he didn't do proper and critical research to begin with.

You're comparing a standalone ABC poll to their daily tracking poll. Why?

BTW I'd love to get you on record: who is going to win? Because I'm seeing a 7-8% Hillary win. Trump is still down 5-7 points in recent polls. He's down in the states he needs to win in order to put up a fight. So...what are you saying. The polls are skewed?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 07:58:02 PM

MTW, you do realize that it's shitpolls that are swinging his model in the other direction now?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on October 31, 2016, 08:03:42 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/31/13477150/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-fbi-emails-justin-shur-investigation-2016-election

I still respect Comey a lot but this looks like a pretty big fuck-up in terms of precedent and FBI policy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2016, 08:19:18 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on October 31, 2016, 08:03:42 PM

http://www.vox.com/2016/10/31/13477150/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-fbi-emails-justin-shur-investigation-2016-election

I still respect Comey a lot but this looks like a pretty big fuck-up in terms of precedent and FBI policy.

Basically, the same as TPM's take on the whole thing: Comey's not a partisan hack, but he's gotten spooked by GOP pressure, so he felt like he had to get out in front of the story rather than having it come out through leaks. Even so, he still ends up looking bad, because he went against the advice of other FBI/DOJ senior officials and long-standing precedence. It's really a no-win situation for him, but he should have realized that a long time ago.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on October 31, 2016, 08:26:15 PM

There really was no excuse for the vagueness of the letter though.  If he was worried about a leak he still should have clarified several things.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on October 31, 2016, 08:32:59 PM

eh, nm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2016, 08:39:15 PM

Nah I'm curious MTW. What are your thoughts, not "check this thing out from the internet"? Is Trump winning, is it a close election, etc?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: curly on October 31, 2016, 08:44:14 PM

Quote from: (((Mary Tyler Whore))) on October 31, 2016, 06:59:27 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 31, 2016, 06:31:28 PM

How is he covering his ass?

For the past few weeks there were numerous polls that had Hillary up eight points, 10 points, etc. that should have been treated as red flags by the likes of Nate Silver.  Instead of doing any critical analysis on the polls whatsoever, he applied his "algorithm" that skewed the polls further in Hillary's favor instead.  Now that the polls are "swinging", he is unable to explain why Trump is able to close the gap by as much as 10 points in a matter of a few days such as in the ABC/Washington Post poll.  So if those polls were legitimate, what exactly did Trump do that went from being behind by 12 points to being behind by two in a matter of just one week?  It must have been fucking amazing yet I don't recall seeing anything.  This should have been Nate Silver's job, not just skewing things further for the sake of Hillary's supporters.  So now he is pretending that things are really volatile, instead of doing his job in the first place which is finding out why Hillary was ahead by 12 points in a highly charged, highly partisan election.  This country is way too partisan to have those types of margins in the first place.  The only exception we got is in 2008 when the economy was about ready to go tits up, nobody wanted anything to do with neoconservatism and in spite of that, it was just 7.2% gap between Obama and McCain.

tl;dr he is covering his ass because he didn't do his job in the first place and now can't explain the significant changes without looking like he didn't do proper and critical research to begin with.

lol wut

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 31, 2016, 09:11:40 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 07:58:02 PM

MTW, you do realize that it's shitpolls that are swinging his model in the other direction now?

this. wait a couple days for more (as in quantity) respected polls to be conducted and posted.
I don't really understand the Nate Silver hate on this particular page either; he's admitted he fucked up on Trump winning the nomination, has had Hillary ahead forever, and still does. And what is difficult to explain? Her boost came from the videotapes being leaked, and the tightening is happening before the FBI effect is factored in because, well, there is always a tightening as the election date draws near.

Personally, I'm expecting a 3-4% Clinton victory, but I would no be surprised if it were closer, simply because I think that what messed Silver up many months ago is exactly what might happen at the general election, namely, embarrassed voters or voters who aren't polling correctly aka closet/secret/begrudging Trump supporters actually end up voting Trump.

What I really want though is for neither Hillary nor Trump to get 270 electoral votes and for Evan McMullan to win Utah and have the House vote lol cause that would be crazy and quite frankly par for the course.

Esch if you're reading I think this post was civil.  :doge


edit: also for anyone else reading fivethirtyeight, you should be aware of polls vs polls + (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-we-are-forecasting-the-2016-presidential-primary-election/)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 09:19:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fe1ym6Sq94

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2016, 09:22:11 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 31, 2016, 09:11:40 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 07:58:02 PM

MTW, you do realize that it's shitpolls that are swinging his model in the other direction now?

this. wait a couple days for more (as in quantity) respected polls to be conducted and posted.
I don't really understand the Nate Silver hate on this particular page either; he's admitted he fucked up on Trump winning the nomination, has had Hillary ahead forever, and still does. And what is difficult to explain? Her boost came from the videotapes being leaked, and the tightening is happening before the FBI effect is factored in because, well, there is always a tightening as the election date draws near.

Personally, I'm expecting a 3-4% Clinton victory, but I would no be surprised if it were closer, simply because I think that what messed Silver up many months ago is exactly what might happen at the general election, namely, embarrassed voters or voters who aren't polling correctly aka closet/secret/begrudging Trump supporters actually end up voting Trump.

What I really want though is for neither Hillary nor Trump to get 270 electoral votes and for Evan McMullan to win Utah and have the House vote lol cause that would be crazy and quite frankly par for the course.

Esch if you're reading I think this post was civil.  :doge


edit: also for anyone else reading fivethirtyeight, you should be aware of polls vs polls + (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-we-are-forecasting-the-2016-presidential-primary-election/)

This has been brought up and has been proven to be basically fret-wetting from the left.  If this were going to affect results, it would only be very very minimal.

Title: Re: Back in Black: Agenda 21 Coming For Your Guns Thread of American Politics Part 2
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 31, 2016, 09:27:14 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on January 24, 2013, 01:01:02 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgQGJjQq4uk

This might be the most infuriating video I've watched in months.  This fucking cunt needs to retire from the court.  Or die, I don't give a shit.

That's from page two of this thread  :o

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2016, 09:43:24 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 09:19:45 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fe1ym6Sq94

Wikileaks is reporting he's actually Jeff Gannon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 09:52:18 PM

let's remember that while Nate wrote a very long and convoluted explanation for his Trump calls in the primaries, the basic point (and failure of his predictions) was that he rejected the standard modeling in favor of endorsement based modeling even though past polling wasn't a worse base to use in the first place and probably was even better for determining overall competitiveness; there's also the fact that he tried to model future events with only current info, primaries have candidates drop out, explode, etc. the general is set in stone in this manner, Nate couldn't model where support went as candidates fell out because it was unpredictable (as shown in Pew's later polling), he saw Herman Cain, Rick Perry and Newt's implosions in 2012 as something to "correct" for rather than recognizing that they were "accurate" as of the time, but Perry and Cain both disqualified themselves before Iowa and weren't something to worry about (they only were slightly overestimated in late game polls)

had he stuck solely to the polling he would have been right about Trump and Cruz

there is so much polling now that his model both fluctuates daily because of it but stays with the same overall "answer" as the outliers are both factored in by the "now-cast" and filtered out by the longer term forecast, there's no point in adjusting for a few outlier polls because you know they'll be corrected for

this is the same reason RCP, which does nothing but run a straight average of only the latest polls (538 keeps old polls in to smooth out the hiccups) gets the same effect in their average, Hillary bumped up two points due to the polls and now she's actually lower than she was before those outlier polls came out because they moved into and out of the model along with tighter late election polls, her position on the RCP electoral map barely changed because that's controlled solely by the state polls

i think that too many people don't realize what Nate's punditry really is, it's based off the same stuff he did for Baseball Prospectus but with politics, he's not coming from the same political punditry world as everyone else...in that regard he's no worse than any other experts he just lays out the entrails to be criticized and tries to explain when he's wrong rather than just pretending it never happened...he used to get in the same fights and make the same type of calls regarding sports (and still does actually)

Nate's model is more conservative than everyone elses, but they're all saying the exact same thing 95% of the time, especially his and Wang who is somehow his rival?...and both of them rarely disagree with RCP, which again just does a straight average of the newest polls with no weights:
Nate: 306-232, 50-50 D
Wang: 321-217, 50-50 D
RCP: 304-234; 51-49 R

RCP would be in agreement on the Senate except they count even a 0.1 lead as a win in their no toss-ups method. (Heck is at +0.3 in NV.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 31, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on October 31, 2016, 09:22:11 PM

Quote from: Syph on October 31, 2016, 09:11:40 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 31, 2016, 07:58:02 PM

MTW, you do realize that it's shitpolls that are swinging his model in the other direction now?

this. wait a couple days for more (as in quantity) respected polls to be conducted and posted.
I don't really understand the Nate Silver hate on this particular page either; he's admitted he fucked up on Trump winning the nomination, has had Hillary ahead forever, and still does. And what is difficult to explain? Her boost came from the videotapes being leaked, and the tightening is happening before the FBI effect is factored in because, well, there is always a tightening as the election date draws near.

Personally, I'm expecting a 3-4% Clinton victory, but I would no be surprised if it were closer, simply because I think that what messed Silver up many months ago is exactly what might happen at the general election, namely, embarrassed voters or voters who aren't polling correctly aka closet/secret/begrudging Trump supporters actually end up voting Trump.

What I really want though is for neither Hillary nor Trump to get 270 electoral votes and for Evan McMullan to win Utah and have the House vote lol cause that would be crazy and quite frankly par for the course.

Esch if you're reading I think this post was civil.  :doge


edit: also for anyone else reading fivethirtyeight, you should be aware of polls vs polls + (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-we-are-forecasting-the-2016-presidential-primary-election/)

This has been brought up and has been proven to be basically fret-wetting from the left.  If this were going to affect results, it would only be very very minimal.

what is fret-wetting? I'm unfamiliar with that phrase

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 10:01:39 PM

fretting about bedwetting

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 10:19:48 PM

NYT throws away its credibility in order to elect Trump:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

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For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

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Intelligence officials have said in interviews over the last six weeks that apparent connections between some of Mr. Trump’s aides and Moscow originally compelled them to open a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Republican presidential candidate. Still, they have said that Mr. Trump himself has not become a target. And no evidence has emerged that would link him or anyone else in his business or political circle directly to Russia’s election operations.

Quote

Investigators, the officials said, have become increasingly confident, based on the evidence they have uncovered, that Russia’s direct goal is not to support the election of Mr. Trump, as many Democrats have asserted,

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 10:33:42 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/10/john_kasich_follows_through_on.html

Quote

Gov. John Kasich, who had vowed not to vote for Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump, voted Monday by absentee ballot.

His choice? Sen. John McCain of Arizona.

...

The vote essentially is a symbolic gesture. Because McCain is not among the 18 certified write-in candidates in Ohio, Kasich's vote for president will not count.

seems appropriate somehow

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wuib2Vo3hSo

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on October 31, 2016, 10:44:16 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on October 31, 2016, 10:19:48 PM

NYT throws away its credibility in order to elect Trump:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

Quote

For much of the summer, the F.B.I. pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead — which they ultimately came to doubt — about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank.

Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government. And even the hacking into Democratic emails, F.B.I. and intelligence officials now believe, was aimed at disrupting the presidential election rather than electing Mr. Trump.

Quote

Intelligence officials have said in interviews over the last six weeks that apparent connections between some of Mr. Trump’s aides and Moscow originally compelled them to open a broad investigation into possible links between the Russian government and the Republican presidential candidate. Still, they have said that Mr. Trump himself has not become a target. And no evidence has emerged that would link him or anyone else in his business or political circle directly to Russia’s election operations.

Quote

Investigators, the officials said, have become increasingly confident, based on the evidence they have uncovered, that Russia’s direct goal is not to support the election of Mr. Trump, as many Democrats have asserted,

wait didn't you hear? The FBI is working for the Trump campaign which is actually Russian controlled so this is just misdirection but if the Russians are controlling the FBI then which emails has Putin been reading???????
but then who was phone?

fuck this election cycle

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 01, 2016, 12:04:55 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0yONlMjxjs

f'real gonna miss this dude  :tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 12:47:54 AM

Doesn't compare to the groundbreaking Gary Johnson interview.

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JAGUAR JOHNSON

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 01, 2016, 12:51:20 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on October 31, 2016, 07:22:38 PM

Yeah Sam Wang (who is more respected in stats circles) has had Clinton winning consistently.  Not sure what you are talking about.

Basically...

(http://www.pngall.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Trollface-PNG.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 01:42:46 AM

With write-in access finished, Roque "Rocky" De La Fuente  (https://www.rocky2016.com/)(America Delta Party/Reform Party), Laurence Kotilkoff (https://kotlikoff2016.com/) (Independent), Tom Hoefling (http://www.tomhoefling.com/) (America's Party) and Mike Maturen (http://www.solidarity-party.org/) (American Solidarity Party) now are on enough ballots to potentially win the election.

They officially join Evan McMullin ("has no girlfriend"), Darrell Castle (Constitution), Dr. Jill Stein (Green), and Jaguar Johnson (Libertarian) as candidates who could theoretically win the election.

Gloria La Riva came up short with 210 EVs. Thankfully, the proletariat revolution will handle what elections failed to do.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 01, 2016, 02:21:21 AM

so somehow i missed this today but donna brazile resigned/got pushed out from CNN?
 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 01, 2016, 02:28:43 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 31, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

what is fret-wetting? I'm unfamiliar with that phrase

Contemporary-classical technique for playing microtonal music on a standard guitar

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 02:39:35 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 01, 2016, 02:21:21 AM

so somehow i missed this today but donna brazile resigned/got pushed out from CNN?
 :neogaf

she had already left back in July to become interm DNC Chair, they basically just didn't resign her to come back after the election as a pundit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 02:45:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LFkN7QGp2c

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 01, 2016, 02:56:16 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 01, 2016, 02:28:43 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 31, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

what is fret-wetting? I'm unfamiliar with that phrase

Contemporary-classical technique for playing microtonal music on a standard guitar

microtonal music  :yuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on November 01, 2016, 03:02:35 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on October 27, 2016, 11:24:27 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on October 27, 2016, 10:15:31 AM

A guy at work is claiming that people were going around offering $100 to vote for Clinton yesterday at the polling station he went to.  :doge

"I would have taken it, but I don't want her dirty money"
"Oh my god.  It's all so rigged"

 :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge

Take the money, cast secret ballot for Trump, have a nice dinner at Hillary's expense.  ??? What a dumbass.

This is literally what Trump does in business deals, so I don't see why his supporters should see any differently.  ( :doge )

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 01, 2016, 03:11:47 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 01, 2016, 02:56:16 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 01, 2016, 02:28:43 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 31, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

what is fret-wetting? I'm unfamiliar with that phrase

Contemporary-classical technique for playing microtonal music on a standard guitar

microtonal music  :yuck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOat_xsGUOw   :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 01, 2016, 03:35:01 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 01, 2016, 03:11:47 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 01, 2016, 02:56:16 AM

Quote from: recursivelyenumerable on November 01, 2016, 02:28:43 AM

Quote from: Syph on October 31, 2016, 10:01:14 PM

what is fret-wetting? I'm unfamiliar with that phrase

Contemporary-classical technique for playing microtonal music on a standard guitar

microtonal music  :yuck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOat_xsGUOw   :lawd

Brah needs to tune his piano.

I get it, just that my western imperialist ears aren't used to that noise. Give me the Western chromatic scale any day  :lawd

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I fucks with some Middle and Far Eastern music that has microtones, but they don't go overboard with it, it sounds natural

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 01, 2016, 03:40:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2016, 12:35:50 PM

Quote

@mitchellvii

I'm less offended by someone saying the N word than I am by the entire Democrat Party treating black voters like slaves.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/793128747469791232

:doge

I keep reading his twitter handle as 'mitchevelli'

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 01, 2016, 03:49:26 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on November 01, 2016, 03:40:52 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on October 31, 2016, 12:35:50 PM

Quote

@mitchellvii

I'm less offended by someone saying the N word than I am by the entire Democrat Party treating black voters like slaves.

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/793128747469791232

:doge

I keep reading his twitter handle as 'mitchevelli'

The Don Killuminati

(https://trumpgasm.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/trump-gangsta.jpg?w=614)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 04:53:50 AM

http://time.com/4551711/hillary-clinton-emailgate/

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I am mad. I am mad because I am scared. And if you are a woman, you should be, too. Emailgate is a bitch hunt, but the target is not Hillary Clinton. It’s us.

The only reason the whole email flap has legs is because the candidate is female. Can you imagine this happening to a man? Clinton is guilty of SWF (Speaking While Female), and emailgate is just a reminder to us all that she has no business doing what she’s doing and must be punished, for the sake of all decent women everywhere. There is so much of that going around.

The people are demanding Clinton act like moral exemplars, thundering from the pulpit like Jonathan Edwards or Cotton Mather. But Donald Trump, Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh and their many conservative friends are not remotely Clinton’s moral superiors. They are simply bullies, using gender discrimination to give a veneer of plausibility to their accusations.

FBI Chief James Comey has shown himself to be another bully of the same kind. He has repeatedly talked down to Clinton, admonishing her as a bad parent would a 5-year-old. He has accused her of “poor judgment” and called her use of a private email server “extremely careless.” If Comey’s a Boy Scout, here’s one old lady who will never let him help her across the street.

If the candidate were male, there would be no scolding and no “scandal.” Those very ideas would be absurd. Men have a nearly absolute right to freedom of speech. In theory, so do women, but that, as the creationists like to say, is only a theory.

Clinton’s use of a personal server has not been found to be a crime. Then how is it that so many have found the charge so easy to make, and make stick? How has her use of the server made plausible all the claims that she is “deceptive” and “untrustworthy”?

It’s not about emails; it’s about public communication by a woman in general. Of course, in the year 2016, no one (probably not even The Donald) could make this argument explicitly. After all, he and his fellow Republicans are not waging a war on women. How do we know that? They have said so. And they’re men, so they must be telling the truth.

(How to tell the genders apart: men are truthful; women are liars. Now you know.)

But here’s Hillary Rodham Clinton, the very public stand-in for all bossy, uppity and ambitious women. Here are her emails. And since it’s a woman, doing what decent women should never do—engaging in high-level public communication—well, there must be something wrong with that, even if we can’t quite find that something. We will invoke the terminology of criminal law to account for our feelings. She’s getting away with treason! Put her in jail! We can’t quite put our fingers on it, but the words sure do make a lot of people feel better, so they must be right.

Clinton has repeatedly apologized, but apparently not enough for her accusers. In fact, her apologies were her only mistake. By apologizing she acknowledged guilt. But that’s what women are supposed to do (because women are always guilty of something). Several members of her own staff sent emails grumbling that she was a recalcitrant apologizer. But her instinct was right: apologizing has only made her weaker. Her opponent never apologizes, not really. So accusations slide off his back like water off a duck’s.

Imagine the emails the Trump campaign must be exchanging … Now those would be legitimately interesting!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 04:54:07 AM

wait...that was written by a woman, so all of it is a lie

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 05:11:17 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwD5gBrW8AAq7nq.jpg)
gasp, people are saying

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 01, 2016, 08:09:46 AM

It's unlikely anyone is going to know anything about those e-mails until well after the election is over, given that there are about 700,000 e-mails to sift through.  However Jeffrey Epstein is someone that would impact both the Clintons and Trump who used to be friends with the guy before he got busted.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on November 01, 2016, 09:39:04 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 05:11:17 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwD5gBrW8AAq7nq.jpg)
gasp, people are saying

:rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2016, 10:04:13 AM

woah if true

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 01, 2016, 10:10:32 AM

DEMOCRATS IN DISARRAY

With just DAYS before the election, SEPTA has gone on strike. No buses, subways, or trolleys. 4 hours notice was given.

Will deep blue Philly turn red?

More on Hannity.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 01, 2016, 10:17:37 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 01, 2016, 10:05:02 AM

The Lolita Express?

:rofl

Pussy Grabon was already taken.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2016, 10:19:07 AM

Kasich wrote in John McCain, lmao.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: tiesto on November 01, 2016, 10:54:10 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 05:11:17 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwD5gBrW8AAq7nq.jpg)
gasp, people are saying

The Lolita Express you say?

(http://i221.photobucket.com/albums/dd56/bayshun/animeplane.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 01, 2016, 11:41:27 AM

I don't think the country would ever recover from the tsunami of rage cum if Hillary was actually exposed as a pedophile

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 12:20:12 PM

"how did we get hillary-chan all wrong  :uguu"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 01, 2016, 12:33:29 PM

"I don't see anything wrong with a little bump and grind when compared to TRUMP planning to deport Muslims and Hispanics, defund Planned Parenthood, and allow the Russians to influence our country"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 01, 2016, 01:28:39 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 05:11:17 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwD5gBrW8AAq7nq.jpg)
gasp, people are saying

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ESPN and all of its arrogant, clueless, politically correct Nazi announcers and owners are just another Democrat Super pac. We stopped watching after they messed with Rush so unfairly, and now the anti American sentiment has destroyed the brand. HAHAHA! Sports lovers tend to be Conservative, patriotic, and religious. ESPN DIDN'T DEPEND ON LIBERALS FOR ITS AUDIENCE. ESPN really screwed the pooch. Even more clueless than Target and their bow-down-to-perverts mess.

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STFU and DIE already Harry Reid you evil, hateful scum! You're the reason my family left the LDS church. They refused to excommunicate your satanic a**!

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Here's the scoop : Comey got wind that the new wiki leaks drop is the communication between Obama and Clinton regarding letting our men die at the embassy being preferable to their covert illegal arms deal running guns to ISIS being discovered. It's over for Clinton. They conspired to allow or permit murder to occur in order to CYA. The level of their evil is beyond belief.

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on November 01, 2016, 01:33:34 PM

The Lolita Express/Jeffrey Epstein is something I don't think either candidate wants to touch or get much momentum:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/30/the-billionaire-pedophile-who-could-bring-down-donald-trump-and-hillary-clinton.html

Stepping back there isn't nearly enough evidence to prove either candidate did anything, but just having to maneuver through that minefield if this narrative gained traction would be exhausting.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 01, 2016, 06:00:59 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 01, 2016, 05:11:17 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwD5gBrW8AAq7nq.jpg)
gasp, people are saying

This isn't England guy. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on November 01, 2016, 06:02:25 PM

http://www.jookos.com/2016/10/27/facebook-analytics-reveal-clean-sweep-donald-trump-election-sweeping-42-50-states-including-new-york/ (http://www.jookos.com/2016/10/27/facebook-analytics-reveal-clean-sweep-donald-trump-election-sweeping-42-50-states-including-new-york/)

Game over liberals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 01, 2016, 07:04:57 PM

A compelling argument against Clinton

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152573895011/candidate-risk-assessment

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2016, 07:22:43 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 01, 2016, 07:04:57 PM

A compelling argument against Clinton

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152573895011/candidate-risk-assessment

On a scale of 1-10, where 10 is "Drinks Alcohol" and 3 is "Might start a race war", where does reading a Scott Adams' blog post fall?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 01, 2016, 07:30:57 PM

5, 'might be used against you at trial'

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Sausage on November 01, 2016, 07:49:49 PM

5. Might institute some racist/sexist/homophobic policies (0)

:lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2016, 08:00:04 PM

Quote from: Sausage on November 01, 2016, 07:49:49 PM

5. Might institute some racist/sexist/homophobic policies (0)

:lol

(http://i.imgur.com/uXEuYIn.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Dennis on November 01, 2016, 09:17:58 PM

Jill Stein choosing Trump over Hillary.

GAF could not be triggered any harder.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1305415

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on November 01, 2016, 10:05:44 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 01, 2016, 09:17:58 PM

Jill Stein choosing Trump over Hillary.

GAF could not be triggered any harder.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1305415

(http://i.imgur.com/uXEuYIn.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: bluemax on November 01, 2016, 11:24:22 PM

Peter Thiel thinks apartheid is sound economic strategy:

https://www.facebook.com/deanjulie/posts/10102649798813733

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 02, 2016, 02:33:04 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 01, 2016, 11:24:22 PM

Peter Thiel thinks apartheid is sound economic strategy:

https://www.facebook.com/deanjulie/posts/10102649798813733

Millions of jobs lost overnight when the factory for "Whites only" signs had to close.
Thanks, Mandela  :maf !

Quote from: Dennis on November 01, 2016, 09:17:58 PM

Jill Stein choosing Trump over Hillary.

GAF could not be triggered any harder.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1305415

I know they're not on the ballot everywhere, but really the US being "First pas the post", it's not like those voters gonna have the opportunity to vote Trump anyway ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 02, 2016, 03:34:53 AM

So trump is agead in a poll?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 09:10:49 AM

Quote

Speaking on MSNBC, Carville accused FBI Director James Comey of “acting in concert and coordination with House Republicans. End of story.” . . .

At the conclusion of the interview, Carville said, “I can’t think about the election right now, what I can think about, what I can talk about, is how unprecedented this is. And how the House Republicans and the KGB are trying [to] affect our democracy. And I think that’s a very important issue. I think it’s probably the most important issue anybody’s faced in a presidential campaign in a long, long time.”

cajun style

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 02, 2016, 10:17:31 AM

Quote from: Dennis on November 01, 2016, 09:17:58 PM

Jill Stein choosing Trump over Hillary.

GAF could not be triggered any harder.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1305415

I voted Stein in 2012.

They lost my vote in 2016.

Hows that Roque guy?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 10:40:40 AM

Don't know which state in you're in, but the "left" candidates with five or more states of ballot access are Roque, Gloria La Riva, and Alyson Kennedy. They also have quite a few write-ins. People worked harder this year.

Laurence Kotilikoff is a write-in almost everywhere and he's "left" on some issues. Monica Moorehead and Mimi Soltysik are write-ins in basically the whole midwest and northwest plus Texas, only on three ballots though.

After that it's more random, the Trots are on the ballot in Louisiana and write-ins a bunch of places.

Princess Khadijah Jacob-Fambro (http://www.slaveryends2016.com/) is on the ballot in Louisiana and a write-in in Alabama, Iowa, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, and Vermont. (Though her husband/brother/father/somebody is her VP candidate from the same state, so he can't win the Vice Presidency.)
(http://www.slaveryends2016.com/uploads/1/3/2/5/13254861/header_images/1475199441.jpg)

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THIS IS JUDGEMENT DAY..."NOT" A FIRE DRILL!!!

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Being born and raised, then surviving The Hard Core Streets of Oakland, California is what makes me The Best Qualified Candidate for this job.

I Princess Khadijah, Dedicate My 2016 Presidential Campaign To The Two Most Important People On The Face Of This Planet Earth MY CHILDREN! To: My Son Prince And My Daughter Little Princess You Are The Reason That Mommy Fight To Keep Breathing! You Two Are The Very Best Thing That Has Ever Happened To Me. You Both Taught Me What UNCONDITIONAL LOVE Feels Like And For That Reason Alone, Mommy PROMISE To Make This A BETTER WORLD For The Both Of You To Live In.

To Every Other Child Not Only In This Country But All Over The World I Promise To You That A Better Day Is Coming! The Suffering That We All Have Experienced Will Soon Be A Thing Of The Past! So Rejoice And Praise The Lord, That A New Day Is Coming!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 02, 2016, 11:42:34 AM

I like the Green Party platform. Its also my favorite color. Why cant they get normal people like me to run?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 12:59:54 PM

Mass media has utterly failed to convey the policy stakes in the election (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/2/13483020/policy-stakes-2016)

vox can be so adorable

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:11:16 PM

A friend's husband outed himself last night night as an MRA libertarian and my wife got into a shouting match with him at dinner over reproductive rights.  He stormed out of the restaurant after calling my wife vile, leaving his wife embarrassed and alone and everyone else pretty shocked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2016, 02:14:31 PM

Quote

MRA libertarian

 :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 02, 2016, 02:14:51 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:11:16 PM

A friend's husband outed himself last night night as an MRA libertarian and my wife got into a shouting match with him at dinner over reproductive rights.  He stormed out of the restaurant after calling my wife vile, leaving his wife embarrassed and alone and everyone else pretty shocked.

And then what happened?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:17:10 PM

Not sure. He didn't return and his wife made no move to leave. Morning must have been awkward.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on November 02, 2016, 02:17:26 PM

He made his wife find her own way home?  Definitely sounds like the MRA type to me.

Edit: At any point did she elbow him lightly and say "Shut.Up"?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2016, 02:17:58 PM

...you had dinner with JayDubya???

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on November 02, 2016, 02:18:39 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2016, 02:17:58 PM

...you had dinner with JayDubya???

Awkward dinners exist because they do.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on November 02, 2016, 02:28:00 PM

What was his side of the argument? That he should have say in a pregnancy?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 02:30:03 PM

a lot of those ("MRA libertarian") have starting popping up on some of the ol libertarian haunts the last couple years, it's kinda weird, a lot of them (on places where usernames are kept so one could keep track of whoever) eventually started being loudly against gay marriage/rights and immigration too especially all the gay Mexicans that are going to vote for socialists and force bakers to make wedding cakes

like on reason (which has traditonally been one of the more "socially libertine" libertarian sites in terms of what it writes about, pro-abortion, pro-gay rights/marriage, pro-porn, pro-sex rights, etc.) they swarm the threads about abortion/gays/immigration/sex and post lots of MRA/anti-feminism* stuff in the open threads while seemingly ignoring threads about spending/war/cops/drugs/etc. although some of them whine about how much reason covers the drug war/cops and there was an odd period where they were attacking some writers for criticizing Paul Ryan's budget proposal (2012 had a period for complaints about them "undermining" Romney by criticizing him for Romneycare, the drug war, foreign policy, social conservative views, etc.)

i assume it's a factor of like the GOP being out of the White House so there's lots of anti-Obama Administration articles to draw them in, reason used to have way more Democrat/Democrat-leaners on it, especially during the Bush years but they faded away as the site criticized Obama
 
there i took your post and whined about something else while subtly making it to appear a response :-\

*there were some people who started posting all kinds of the red pill/shaming/etc. stuff, and how you gotta give a woman a "Gibbs slap" sometimes and they never seemed to understand the libertarian "women" on the site (aka guys pretending amirite) and others being "so PC" about that, i guess that's a NAP exception

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:45:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 02, 2016, 02:28:00 PM

What was his side of the argument? That he should have say in a pregnancy?

It started as an aside my wife made about the tampon tax and then he was like yeah, well I have it bad too because I have to pay the health surcharge in SF if I bought a croissant and then it got weird.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: brawndolicious on November 02, 2016, 02:57:23 PM

He was a libertarian arguing against abortion?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2016, 02:58:25 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:45:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 02, 2016, 02:28:00 PM

What was his side of the argument? That he should have say in a pregnancy?

It started as an aside my wife made about the tampon tax and then he was like yeah, well I have it bad too because I have to pay the health surcharge in SF if I bought a croissant and then it got weird.

holy shit
:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 03:13:57 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 02, 2016, 02:57:23 PM

He was a libertarian arguing against abortion?

The main thrust of his argument was that woman shouldn't be complaining about any regulatory mechanisms that restrict their access to reproductive health because he was a man who makes a lot of money and hence has to pay the most taxes. He then got really upset that two women were trying to explain how dumb his argument was and flipped out. It was also very clear he was uncomfortable with things like abortion and birth control in the first place.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 02, 2016, 03:31:27 PM

Panicked liberals are taking over my news feed. Fucking Hillary. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

I hate getting old.

Remember when Facebook was pictures of girls in their dorms getting ready to go out to party?

And you werent invited but at least you could browse the pictures and fap?

Now its just fucking politics and babies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 03:43:05 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 03:13:57 PM

The main thrust of his argument was that woman shouldn't be complaining about any regulatory mechanisms that restrict their access to reproductive health because he was a man who makes a lot of money and hence has to pay the most taxes. He then got really upset that two women were trying to explain how dumb his argument was and flipped out. It was also very clear he was uncomfortable with things like abortion and birth control in the first place.

:lol sounds exactly like the guys i was talking about, especially the undercurrent of being uncomfortable with sex and similar topics

never met one in real life tho, i'm so jealous, especially with the walk out

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 03:48:50 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-od8S_OELM

 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 03:51:12 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/02/opinion/donald-trump-voters-just-hear-me-out.html

Quote from: Thomas Friedman

This is my last column until after the election, so I’d like to address the people least likely to read it:

okay bye

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on November 02, 2016, 04:00:14 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:17:10 PM

Not sure. He didn't return and his wife made no move to leave. Morning must have been awkward.

She was obviously signalling for a threesome.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 02, 2016, 04:49:54 PM

Between this guy and the pro-Israel dude on his facebook, Contra clearly has the best rogue gallery on The Bore.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on November 02, 2016, 04:55:10 PM

Quote from: Raist on November 02, 2016, 04:00:14 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:17:10 PM

Not sure. He didn't return and his wife made no move to leave. Morning must have been awkward.

She was obviously signalling for a threesome.

Would that now make the husband a "cuckservative?"

 :dice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 02, 2016, 05:27:53 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 02, 2016, 02:28:00 PM

What was his side of the argument? That he should have say in a pregnancy?

oh dont worry, he will now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 02, 2016, 06:51:22 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:11:16 PM

A friend's husband outed himself last night night as an MRA libertarian and my wife got into a shouting match with him at dinner over reproductive rights.  He stormed out of the restaurant after calling my wife vile, leaving his wife embarrassed and alone and everyone else pretty shocked.

How can one reconcile being anti abortion and libertarian at the same time?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 02, 2016, 06:57:50 PM

Because inalienable freedoms extend to all human life, it's pretty obvious how they get there

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Yeti on November 02, 2016, 07:05:55 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 02, 2016, 02:45:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 02, 2016, 02:28:00 PM

What was his side of the argument? That he should have say in a pregnancy?

It started as an aside my wife made about the tampon tax and then he was like yeah, well I have it bad too because I have to pay the health surcharge in SF if I bought a croissant and then it got weird.

What was he planning on using that croissant for?  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 07:23:15 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 02, 2016, 06:51:22 PM

How can one reconcile being anti abortion and libertarian at the same time?

The baby's right to life trumps the mother's self-ownership rights.

It's probably the most contentious issue in libertarianism as it doesn't have an easy answer unless you make certain assumptions, so everyone agrees to just not talk about it.

The Party is officially pro-choice though. And usually favors those who are (like Johnson and Weld) over those who are pro-life.

http://www.libertariansforlife.org/
http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/14/sorry-rand-paul-haters-pro-life-libertar (lol 1000+ comments)

I was anti-abortion for years but decided the many questions were eventually irreconcilable. Honestly, now I'm just of the opinion that technology is taking care of it with the more and better forms of birth control. But I'm not for criminalizing it or restricting it through "safety" regulations.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2016, 07:26:12 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 07:23:15 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 02, 2016, 06:51:22 PM

How can one reconcile being anti abortion and libertarian at the same time?

The baby's right to life trumps the mother's self-ownership rights.

It's probably the most contentious issue in libertarianism as it doesn't have an easy answer unless you make certain assumptions, so everyone agrees to just not talk about it.

The Party is officially pro-choice though. And usually favors those who are (like Johnson and Weld) over those who are pro-life.

http://www.libertariansforlife.org/
http://reason.com/blog/2015/08/14/sorry-rand-paul-haters-pro-life-libertar (lol 1000+ comments)

Uh... (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=4229)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 07:27:46 PM

I meant with other libertarians, but that's a joke as proven by the reason article comment thread I linked. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 02, 2016, 08:25:07 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 07:27:46 PM

I meant with other libertarians, but that's a joke as proven by the reason article comment thread I linked. :lol

What about in situation's where the mother's life is at risk? Whose right to live do those libertations deem more important?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2016, 08:25:15 PM

Silver has it down to 68%  :lol

what a laughingstock

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 02, 2016, 08:56:49 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 02, 2016, 08:25:15 PM

Silver has it down to 68%  :lol

what a laughingstock

he has also turned FL red

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 02, 2016, 09:03:34 PM

Based on some poor polls. the GOTV numbers and other aggregates suggest Florida is still relatively safe.

edit: seriously, just check the breakdown of the latest florida polls on 538.  He's using mid-to-low grade polls that show Trump up 2-6 points to basically override high weighted and rated polls showing a Clinton advantage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 02, 2016, 09:55:52 PM

Clintons internals must be devastating

I just saw a 60 second anti-Trump ad during the World Series.

IN NEW YORK CITY

Is she really cratering this badly that she thinks shes losing New York?


....or did this poor naive liberals donate every penny they had so she can throw it away?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 02, 2016, 10:17:28 PM

Nice concern trolling there breh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 11:04:52 PM

Quote from: james on November 02, 2016, 09:55:52 PM

Clintons internals must be devastating

I just saw a 60 second anti-Trump ad during the World Series.

IN NEW YORK CITY

Is she really cratering this badly that she thinks shes losing New York?


....or did this poor naive liberals donate every penny they had so she can throw it away?

maybe they did a national ad buy for the network to ensure it was on during the game

Quote from: BrandNew on November 02, 2016, 08:25:15 PM

Silver has it down to 68%  :lol

what a laughingstock

Quote from: Nate Silver

Hillary Clinton, like President Obama four years ago, has spent a lot of time with a chance of winning the election that is somewhere between 60 and 80 percent in our forecast. Right now, she’s squarely in the middle of that range, with a 68 percent chance according to our polls-only model and 67 percent according to polls-plus.

I’ve found that probabilities in the 70 percent range can be especially difficult to write about, because there’s the possibility of a misinterpretation in either direction. On the one hand, in a 70-30 race, you can usually cherry-pick your way to calling the race a tossup without that much effort, even when it really isn’t. We often saw that occur in 2012, when reporters and commentators consistently characterized the election as too close to call despite a fairly steady lead for Obama in swing-state polls.

On the other hand, a 70-30 race indicates that the bulk of the evidence lines up on one side of the case — in this case, that Clinton rather than Donald Trump will probably be elected president.

Quote from: Nate Silver

]The good news for Clinton jumps out in the chart. She led in seven of eight live-caller polls — and 22 of 23 polls overall — in the states within her firewall.
...
Overall, the swing-state polls were about in line with what the model expected. Clinton’s win probability fell slightly on the day, in fact, although it was as a result of her continuously mediocre numbers in national tracking polls. The state polls were a wash in our model.

Quote

Arun Hegde
I get the sense that people here are too hung up on the model. The model is just that - a model; and there is really no good way of assessing its validity as it relates to this election anymore than of any other model. The more important takeaway is the big picture analysis versus the specific probability that is the output of the model; which is that the current snapshot seems to indicate that Clinton's firewall is relatively intact but she has low likelihood of going much beyond that given the discrete nature of how electoral votes are awarded. If I was a Clinton supporter, I'd say that's not the worst place to be given Friday's news. If I was a Trump supporter, I'd be disappointed that some pretty bad news for Clinton didn't "breach" her firewall more than it seems to have.

Quote

Carolyn Webb
ANOTHER FULL BLOWN SLAM DOWN! This morning her chances were 71 and now in TWELVE HOURS she has been f---ING SLAMMED DOWN FOUR MORE POINTS in your forecast!

WHAT THE F!!!!!!

Please don't say she is not being BUTCHERED!!!!

This is WORSE than the SWIFTBOAT attacks!

LOSING 14 points in FIVE DAYS!!!!

When does the BLOOD FLOW STOP

You ARE giving TRUMP everything he wants on a SILVER PLATTER!

You DO WANT HIM to get this country!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on November 02, 2016, 11:06:15 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 02, 2016, 02:17:58 PM

...you had dinner with JayDubya???

I keep mashing "Like," but it appears that's just a regular toggle UI.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 02, 2016, 11:12:15 PM

When does the blood stop?!?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 11:15:38 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 02, 2016, 11:12:15 PM

When does the blood stop?!?

usually after 3-5 days i think

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: thisismyusername on November 02, 2016, 11:21:37 PM

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a50256/trump-child-rape-accuser-cancels-press-conference/

Welp, hopefully she'll get the justice she deserves once this week is over. Lord knows the crazies won't leave her alone if that happens though. :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 11:26:07 PM

BREAKING:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4rGByANr8

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-612gUMnosw

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 12:07:43 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvdbhaQZY8I

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 03, 2016, 12:36:44 AM

I haven't been paying attention to this thread the last few days, is Donald Trump president yet? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2016, 12:46:52 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 03, 2016, 12:36:44 AM

I haven't been paying attention to this thread the last few days, is Donald Trump president yet? 

He's already dictator for life, breh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 03, 2016, 12:50:16 AM

cool, thanks

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CajoleJuice on November 03, 2016, 01:21:24 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwTNEsYWIAAzpdu.jpg:large)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 03, 2016, 01:42:17 AM

welp President Trump confirmed for Brawl I guess

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Sausage on November 03, 2016, 02:08:06 AM

http://www.sbnation.com/2016/11/3/13506706/hillary-clinton-predicted-cubs-world-series-win-presidency-year-ago

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 02:25:29 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 02, 2016, 09:03:34 PM

Based on some poor polls. the GOTV numbers and other aggregates suggest Florida is still relatively safe.

edit: seriously, just check the breakdown of the latest florida polls on 538.  He's using mid-to-low grade polls that show Trump up 2-6 points to basically override high weighted and rated polls showing a Clinton advantage.

He put Florida back in blue  :lol

It's really hard to take whatever he's doing now. His model is not predictive, it's reactive. It's going to be 100% accurate because he's going to keep updating it after the election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 03:19:20 AM

It's only blue in the polls-only forecast, still red in the other two.

He doesn't manually change the states, hell, he doesn't even add the polls anymore and maintain it, the staffers ESPN paid for do that. He only works on the model at the end of each "season" now and it's no longer just his model, it's a team effort, though he still signs off on it.

Models that don't fluctuate are far more suspect if they're black boxes. Wang's fluctuates just as much, but his prediction for the winner doesn't because he cuts off the long tails that Nate loves (in all his models, PECOTA, CARMELO, etc.) to keep in for uncertainty reasons. That's why his %'s always line up closer to the betting markets where people are hedging. Wang is arguably more correct in this instance because there's only one actual trial, unlike in sports where we have multiple trials with clear rules.

If Nate's model doesn't continue to get closer I'll be surprised because it should start dropping Gary further. The RCP average is already below 538's future predictions. That drop has been corresponding with Trump's rise as I assume GOPers return home and the anti-Hillary pro-Gary vote drops out of the electorate altogether.

People would probably freak out less if he didn't even assign percentages, especially ones with decimal points. Just straight flip states on the slightest lead like RCP does, just under his model and hidden. Overprecision almost always seems to make people irrationally skeptical.

And I'm not sure how you can say his model isn't predictive. It's predicting a Hillary victory. If Hillary wins, it will have predicted accurately. Whether he gives her chances on election day of 51% or 101% is really kinda irrelevant. You can't measure it to check against, his goal is accurately predicting the final result not projecting the unknowable. He does the other because of the horserace mentality and an attempt at transparency.

You can make a predictive model that only takes two pieces of data into account, the last election result and the Pythagorean result from the national poll average. IIRC, it would have nailed at least 48/50 states in 2012. You could have done even better if you also included merely the state poll average to reorder the state distribution.

I guess I don't understand the Nate Silver obsession in general?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 03:27:23 AM

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-the-fivethirtyeight-senate-forecast-model-works/

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In fact, while FiveThirtyEight’s forecasts are sometimes seen as extremely bold when compared with news media coverage of campaigns,4 they are fairly conservative compared with some other forecasting models. For a variety of reasons,5 statistical models are prone toward overconfidence unless they’re designed carefully.

The best test of a probabilistic forecast is whether it’s well calibrated. By that I mean: Out of all FiveThirtyEight forecasts that give candidates about a 75 percent shot of winning, do the candidates in fact win about 75 percent of the time over the long run? It’s a problem if these candidates win only 55 percent of the time. But from a statistical standpoint, it’s just as much of a problem if they win 95 percent of the time.

The problem of course being the lack of Presidential races.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2016, 03:31:31 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 02:25:29 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 02, 2016, 09:03:34 PM

Based on some poor polls. the GOTV numbers and other aggregates suggest Florida is still relatively safe.

edit: seriously, just check the breakdown of the latest florida polls on 538.  He's using mid-to-low grade polls that show Trump up 2-6 points to basically override high weighted and rated polls showing a Clinton advantage.

He put Florida back in blue  :lol

It's really hard to take whatever he's doing now. His model is not predictive, it's reactive. It's going to be 100% accurate because he's going to keep updating it after the election.

This is like the old stat-based NBA power rankings on ESPN, where they'd be updated automatically and everyone would freak out and yell at John Hollinger for dropping their team after a loss.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 03, 2016, 04:06:13 AM

Why the fixation for polls at this point though ? :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 04:25:51 AM

it's the only "score" available and people want to know if their team is leading, especially this late in the game

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 08:17:02 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 04:25:51 AM

it's the only "score" available and people want to know if their team is leading, especially this late in the game

That's not true, early voting numbers are coming out on a daily basis.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 03, 2016, 08:40:04 AM

Quote from: james on November 02, 2016, 03:31:27 PM

Panicked liberals are taking over my news feed. Fucking Hillary. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

I hate getting old.

Remember when Facebook was pictures of girls in their dorms getting ready to go out to party?

And you werent invited but at least you could browse the pictures and fap?

Now its just fucking politics and babies.

newsfeed

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2016, 09:12:43 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 03, 2016, 08:40:04 AM

Quote from: james on November 02, 2016, 03:31:27 PM

Panicked liberals are taking over my news feed. Fucking Hillary. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

I hate getting old.

Remember when Facebook was pictures of girls in their dorms getting ready to go out to party?

And you werent invited but at least you could browse the pictures and fap?

Now its just fucking politics and babies.

newsfeed

I don't recall why I quoted this post

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 03, 2016, 11:41:47 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2016, 09:12:43 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 03, 2016, 08:40:04 AM

Quote from: james on November 02, 2016, 03:31:27 PM

Panicked liberals are taking over my news feed. Fucking Hillary. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

I hate getting old.

Remember when Facebook was pictures of girls in their dorms getting ready to go out to party?

And you werent invited but at least you could browse the pictures and fap?

Now its just fucking politics and babies.

newsfeed

I've never felt so connected to another person

Trump brings us all together

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2016, 11:57:57 AM

Quote from: james on November 02, 2016, 03:31:27 PM

Panicked liberals are taking over my news feed. Fucking Hillary. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

I hate getting old.

Remember when Facebook was pictures of girls in their dorms getting ready to go out to party?

And you werent invited but at least you could browse the pictures and fap?

Now its just fucking politics and babies.

Gross.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 03, 2016, 12:56:30 PM

Maybe Trump can make facebook great again as well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 03, 2016, 12:57:54 PM

He does seem well versed in walls...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2016, 02:54:18 PM

>implying that facebook was ever great

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Sausage on November 03, 2016, 02:58:25 PM

Quote from: james on November 02, 2016, 03:31:27 PM

Panicked liberals are taking over my news feed. Fucking Hillary. Grabbing defeat from the jaws of victory.

I hate getting old.

Remember when Facebook was pictures of girls in their dorms getting ready to go out to party?

And you werent invited but at least you could browse the pictures and fap?

Now its just fucking politics and babies.

Thats on insta and snapchat now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 03, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2016, 02:54:18 PM

>implying that facebook was ever great

When it started the search feature was pretty damn good. Great even.

Search by specific dorm
Search by specific floor
Search by class
No privacy filters.

JACKPOT.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 03, 2016, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: james on November 03, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2016, 02:54:18 PM

>implying that facebook was ever great

When it started the search feature was pretty damn good. Great even.

Search by specific dorm
Search by specific floor
Search by class
No privacy filters.

JACKPOT.

:confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 03, 2016, 03:42:32 PM

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 03, 2016, 03:47:30 PM

Quote from: Syph on November 03, 2016, 03:38:56 PM

Quote from: james on November 03, 2016, 03:04:23 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2016, 02:54:18 PM

>implying that facebook was ever great

When it started the search feature was pretty damn good. Great even.

Search by specific dorm
Search by specific floor
Search by class
No privacy filters.

JACKPOT.

:confused

Yup, I lived on the 8th floor of a dorm and you were able to search that way.

So this hot girl down the hall. I know the room has an "Abby" a "Rachel" and a "Jessica". I dont know which is the hottie.

Search all females in Dorm Tower, Floor 8.

7 results.

Oh hey, the hottie is "Jessica"

AND HER HALLOWEEN COSTUME

 :whew

Why they removed that feature I wont ever understand

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 03, 2016, 03:50:57 PM

well this shit is creepy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 03, 2016, 03:55:48 PM

You're really surprised something made by a college aged male is creepy?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on November 03, 2016, 04:19:54 PM

:ufup relating to his first post so much.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 04:27:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78Xcp6dv5QE

based gary :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 04:31:12 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tlQijKvKs0

SELL OUT :paul

HIM AND HIS THEORIES AND PHILOSOPHIZEN

NOT IN MY KENTUCKY

edit: that still :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 03, 2016, 04:41:55 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZc8tBtIDhI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 03, 2016, 05:14:13 PM

That's awful, what thread was that?!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://vimeo.com/75999839

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 03, 2016, 05:32:00 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 03, 2016, 03:50:57 PM

well this shit is creepy

I dont think you understand why The Facebook was created

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 03, 2016, 05:41:29 PM

No he just realized how much of his girlfriends facebook is pictures of her getting dolled up and that he's friends with PD.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 06:04:39 PM

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/730251094614528000

this guy brehs

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 03, 2016, 06:16:20 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dean-chambers-unskewed-polls-hillary-clinton-win_us_581a3cf1e4b01a82df64601d

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Dean Chambers, who made a name for himself “unskewing” the polls in 2012 to give Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney more favorable results, has come to view political polling with a bit less suspicion and believes that Hillary Clinton is the favorite to win the White House.

Quote

“I hear some Trump supporters saying that Trump is going to get a much higher result than polls are suggesting,” Chambers continued, “but I don’t have any basis to agree with that. If you’re trying to construct a scenario where Trump wins, you need five more electoral votes. Virginia, Colorado and New Hampshire seems likely to go to Hillary.”

Chambers’ attempts to “unskew” presidential polling in 2012 earned him a following from conservatives who clung to his favorable predictions of Romney’s ultimately doomed campaign, and from pollsters who viewed his techniques with skepticism and scorn. Since that time “unskew” has become social media shorthand for undoing the results of anything deemed undesirable or unfavorable.

After the election, Chambers started barackofraudo.com, a short-lived venture which speculated about the impact that election fraud may have had on the 2012 election.

“Well the problem with vote fraud is many of us believe it does happen but it’s tough to prove,” Chambers said. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2016, 06:39:33 PM

https://twitter.com/Channel4News/status/794232437337247744

Slavoj Žižek​ endorses Trump as the revolution candidate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 06:48:14 PM

Brehs, it's kind of blowing my mind that just three election cycles ago Howard Dean completely derailed his campaign by some little screetching noise he made at a rally that went viral. Yet we have Donald Pussygrab Trump and Gary Horseshit Johnson on the ballot.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: helios on November 03, 2016, 06:49:57 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 06:48:14 PM

Brehs, it's kind of blowing my mind that just three election cycles ago Howard Dean completely derailed his campaign by some little screetching noise he made at a rally that went viral. Yet we have Donald Pussygrab Trump and Gary Horseshit Johnson on the ballot.

Politics have come a long way

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2016, 06:51:29 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 06:48:14 PM

Brehs, it's kind of blowing my mind that just three election cycles ago Howard Dean completely derailed his campaign by some little screetching noise he made at a rally that went viral. Yet we have Donald Pussygrab Trump and Gary Horseshit Johnson on the ballot.

Dukakis blew his campaign in the general because he wore a funny hat

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 03, 2016, 07:01:14 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 03, 2016, 05:02:15 PM

Quote from: Swishercrat on November 03, 2016, 04:19:54 PM

:ufup relating to his first post so much.

OK guy who posted his GF's ass in one of our threads.

wait wut

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 07:02:12 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 03, 2016, 06:51:29 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 06:48:14 PM

Brehs, it's kind of blowing my mind that just three election cycles ago Howard Dean completely derailed his campaign by some little screetching noise he made at a rally that went viral. Yet we have Donald Pussygrab Trump and Gary Horseshit Johnson on the ballot.

Dukakis blew his campaign in the general because he wore a funny hat

The Donald should have run back in that era, he would've never made it with that bird's nest on his head

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 03, 2016, 07:03:46 PM

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/600/will-i-know-anyone-at-this-party

:lol that townhall meeting suggesting a moratorium on immigration. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 03, 2016, 07:06:56 PM

In an election with the most Hispanic voters than ever this is the hill the repubs want to die on™

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Purrp Skirrp on November 03, 2016, 07:13:25 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 03, 2016, 05:02:15 PM

Quote from: Swishercrat on November 03, 2016, 04:19:54 PM

:ufup relating to his first post so much.

OK guy who posted his GF's ass in one of our threads.

If only you'd follow suit next time you inevitably post about your ex :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on November 03, 2016, 07:35:46 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 02, 2016, 11:26:07 PM

BREAKING:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk4rGByANr8

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-612gUMnosw

[close]

YE-MOTHERFUCKING-GADS, I hate that manbaby. EVERY newspaper prepares for inevitable stories: deaths, births preceded by widely announced pregnancies, wars which break out after tensions have long been mounting, and definitely stories which can only break two ways: Trump or Clinton. If they REALLY wanted to cover their ass, they've probably also got one covering the dark horse Gary Johnson written by some second-stringer.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 03, 2016, 07:56:38 PM

Silver's latest tweets :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 03, 2016, 09:11:32 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 03, 2016, 07:56:38 PM

Silver's latest tweets :rofl

I'm beginning to believe he has played me like a one string guitar.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2016, 09:13:33 PM

Quote from: zomgee on November 03, 2016, 09:11:32 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 03, 2016, 07:56:38 PM

Silver's latest tweets :rofl

I'm beginning to believe he has played me like a one string guitar.

In the end, by being so concerned about politics and elections, haven't you really just played yourself?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2016, 09:17:29 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/304231-heritage-calling-for-supreme-court-blockade-if-clinton-wins

yup...

better hope dems take the senate. I don't think the GOP would simply refuse to confirm her judge...but I could see them demanding Garland or someone more moderate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Steve Contra on November 03, 2016, 09:48:58 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 03, 2016, 07:56:38 PM

Silver's latest tweets :rofl

It's almost like he joined a huge media conglomerate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 03, 2016, 09:51:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2016, 09:13:33 PM

Quote from: zomgee on November 03, 2016, 09:11:32 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 03, 2016, 07:56:38 PM

Silver's latest tweets :rofl

I'm beginning to believe he has played me like a one string guitar.

In the end, by being so concerned about politics and elections, haven't you really just played yourself?

Daily

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 03, 2016, 10:18:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 03, 2016, 09:17:29 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/304231-heritage-calling-for-supreme-court-blockade-if-clinton-wins

yup...

better hope dems take the senate. I don't think the GOP would simply refuse to confirm her judge...but I could see them demanding Garland or someone more moderate.

Quote

Pressed on whether he was comfortable going five years without a ninth Supreme Court justice, Holler said there’s “nothing sacrosanct about the number of nine justices.”

These people are terrorists and need to be treated as such

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 03, 2016, 10:20:40 PM

Having an even number of Supreme Court justices is a really terrible idea, so I propose that we send Clarence Thomas off into retirement and just keep it at 7. That's a good number.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Oblivion on November 04, 2016, 06:52:04 AM

https://twitter.com/GovMikeHuckabee/status/794483288282955776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on November 04, 2016, 07:43:04 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 04, 2016, 05:43:23 AM

Quote from: Swishercrat on November 03, 2016, 07:13:25 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 03, 2016, 05:02:15 PM

Quote from: Swishercrat on November 03, 2016, 04:19:54 PM

:ufup relating to his first post so much.

OK guy who posted his GF's ass in one of our threads.

If only you'd follow suit next time you inevitably post about your ex :'(

(https://media.tenor.co/images/955b6b7f9013bbb745006637ab0275bb/tenor.gif)

Those are a Mupepe PM exclusive, boy.

And those pics are delicious.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 04, 2016, 08:23:59 AM

 :lol This is trending on Facebook.

http://truthfeed.com/breaking-ex-apprentice-summer-zervos-paid-500000-by-gloria-allred-to-accuse-trump-deal-went-to-others-too/33797/

Quote

GotNews Reports

The Apprentice loser and Trump “fake rape” accuser Summer Zervos was bribed $500,000 by Democrat fundraiser and lawyer Gloria Allred to make her accusations against Donald Trump, a deal that was shopped around to other ex-Apprentice contestants too, according to anonymous sources familiar with the matter.

GotNews’ source tells us that Zervos’ sexual harassment accusation against Trump is a “completely fabricated hoax.”

Zervos was paid half a million dollars by Gloria Allred, which is being paid out “slowly over time” according to our source.

LYING TRUMP ACCUSER SUMMER ZERVOS IMMEDIATELY AFTER BEING FIRED AND HUMILIATED ON NATIONAL TV BY DONALD TRUMP. FROM NBC.
LYING TRUMP ACCUSER SUMMER ZERVOS IMMEDIATELY AFTER BEING FIRED AND HUMILIATED ON NATIONAL TV BY DONALD TRUMP. FROM NBC.
Zervos was a big league Trump supporter who converted her whole family to the Trump Train until she met Gloria Allred, as was reported before.

Money talks!

GotNews’ anonymous source tells us that Zervos’ family is aware of the transaction and angry about it, but does not want to be caught up in the news cycle.

Zervos was humiliated on national TV by Donald Trump 10 years ago when she was the first Apprentice contestant to be fired on Season 5, as you can watch here.

Left-wing feminist Gloria Allred is a long-time Democrat operative who tries to kill GOP presidential campaigns with fake female “victims”, which she successfully did in 2012 to Herman Cain and later Mitt Romney.

She was also revealed to be a Democrat fundraiser in e-mails leaked by WikiLeaks.

Allred’s daughter Lisa Bloom is in the same sleazy business, as we exclusively reported yesterday.

Zervos was Allred’s first fake accuser — now revealed to be taking $500,000 from Allred — although her latest desperate attempt to smear Donald Trump was with an actual hardcore porn star.

Did the porn star also get $500,000, Gloria?

GotNews attempted to reach Summer Zervos for comment but could not find any available points of contact. Gloria Allred has not returned our request for comment as of press time.

UPDATE: We have received a statement from Gloria Allred:

Your “tip” is completely false. I have never paid anyone to come forward. Feel free to tell your tipster, who is probably a Trump supporter that I said so.
Stay tuned for more.

 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 04, 2016, 12:23:40 PM

This is a weird ass article

How the University of Alabama Became a National Player
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=second-column-region&region=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0


Its written with the same language and tone you reserve for articles about how the new pizza company is rapidly expanding.

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How then, you might ask, did Brianna Zavilowitz, a Staten Islander with 2120 SATs and a 4.0 grade-point average, daughter of a retired N.Y.P.D. detective and an air traffic controller, with zero interest in pledging and middling enthusiasm for football, wind up in Tuscaloosa for college?

Ok, good start, but then...

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With state funding now just 12.5 percent of the university’s budget, campus leaders have mapped an offensive strategy to grow in size, prestige and, most important, revenue.

Um isnt this an issue?

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Alabama has invested heavily to lure students like Ms. Zavilowitz, who does not qualify for federal financial aid. The university is spending $100.6 million in merit aid, up from $8.3 million a decade ago and more than twice what it allocates to students with financial need. It also has hired an army of recruiters to put Bama on college lists of full-paying students who, a few years ago, might not have looked its way.

But you're a public university, arent you supposed to serve your public? Youre giving full rides to rich kids from NYC?

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Instead of layoffs and cuts, some public universities facing budget challenges are following this blueprint for survival: higher charges to students, and more of them. Nowadays, the real money comes from tuition and fees. The average for four-year public colleges rose 81 percent in constant dollars between 2000 and 2014. At Alabama, tuition and fees have about doubled in the last decade, to $10,470 for residents and to $26,950 for nonresidents.

THIS ISNT GOOD

Youre not writing about Chipotle offering new for-charge side items!

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Even when it awards full-tuition scholarships, the university makes money — on dorm rooms and meal plans, books, football tickets, hoodies and school spirit items like the giant Bama banner Ms. Zavilowitz and her roommates bought for the blank wall in the suite’s common area. All told, these extras and essentials brought in $173 million last year — on top of $633 million in tuition and fees, up from $135 million in 2005.

Holy fuck we're talking about a public institution and not an airline!

Its not just me right?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 12:32:50 PM

http://www.infowars.com/spirit-cooking-clinton-campaign-chairman-invited-to-bizarre-satanic-performance/

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In what is undoubtedly the most bizarre Wikileaks revelation to date, Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta was invited to a “spirit cooking dinner” by performance artist Marina Abramovic, to take part in an occult ritual founded by Satanist Aleister Crowley.

In an email dated June 28, 2015, Abramovic wrote, “I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining? All my love, Marina.”

Tony Podesta then forwarded the email to his brother John Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman), asking him, “Are you in NYC Thursday July 9 Marina wants you to come to dinner.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 12:35:31 PM

The real Clinton email scandal is that a bullshit story has dominated the campaign by Matthew Yglesias (http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/4/13500018/clinton-email-scandal-bullshit)

So here's 4000 words complaining/talking about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 04, 2016, 12:50:07 PM

mi abuela de Satanás

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 04, 2016, 01:01:11 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 12:32:50 PM

http://www.infowars.com/spirit-cooking-clinton-campaign-chairman-invited-to-bizarre-satanic-performance/

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invited to a “spirit cooking dinner” by performance artist Marina Abramovic

Not too surprised Infowars would have issues grasping what is performance art...

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Its written with the same language and tone you reserve for articles about how the new pizza company is rapidly expanding.

Native advertising ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2016, 01:08:23 PM

"You must get a college degree if you want to succeed!!"

"That'll be $30k per year, please."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mupepe on November 04, 2016, 01:20:01 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 12:32:50 PM

http://www.infowars.com/spirit-cooking-clinton-campaign-chairman-invited-to-bizarre-satanic-performance/

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In what is undoubtedly the most bizarre Wikileaks revelation to date, Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta was invited to a “spirit cooking dinner” by performance artist Marina Abramovic, to take part in an occult ritual founded by Satanist Aleister Crowley.

In an email dated June 28, 2015, Abramovic wrote, “I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining? All my love, Marina.”

Tony Podesta then forwarded the email to his brother John Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman), asking him, “Are you in NYC Thursday July 9 Marina wants you to come to dinner.”

I'm even more glad I voted Clinton now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: headwalk on November 04, 2016, 02:22:15 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on November 04, 2016, 01:43:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSqgRTTtNpA

get a load of this shill.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 04, 2016, 02:28:19 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on November 04, 2016, 01:43:38 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSqgRTTtNpA

Skip to 19 minutes because who cares

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 02:32:35 PM

"I'm willing to take that hit, to pay that price [of losing viewers], because there's too much on the line."

 :badass

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 04, 2016, 02:40:28 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/rudy-giuliani-fbi-clinton-emails_us_581c9e3fe4b0e80b02c93d6b?ij36pfg576k0c6jemi

"Rudy Giuliani said Friday that he knew the FBI planned to review more emails tied to Hillary Clinton before a public announcement about the investigation last week, confirming that the agency leaked information to Donald Trump’s presidential campaign."

I really don't understand the logic here.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2016, 02:41:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 02:32:35 PM

"I'm willing to take that hit, to pay that price [of losing viewers], because there's too much on the line."

 :badass

(http://i.imgur.com/wEhQcrg.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 04, 2016, 02:54:36 PM

Now theyre saying the FBI will allow terrorist attacks to go through so Trump gets elected?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Brehvolution on November 04, 2016, 03:17:20 PM

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THis is the first election where the KKK, KGB, and FBI are all pulling for the same candidate.

Seen on twitter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 04, 2016, 03:20:23 PM

Quote from: james on November 04, 2016, 02:54:36 PM

Now theyre saying the FBI will allow terrorist attacks to go through so Trump gets elected?

:comeon
Obviously they can't be sure an attack is planned in the coming days.
They'll carry themselves a false flag attack with the help of Russian FSB sleeper agents.  ::)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2016, 07:18:06 PM

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/794625064746582016

barry o don't leave us  :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 04, 2016, 07:22:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2016, 07:18:06 PM

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/794625064746582016

barry o don't leave us  :'(

Fucking GOAT :bow :bow2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 09:08:40 PM

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/dnc-told-fbi-it-may-have-been-bugged

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In an episode reminiscent of Watergate, the Democratic Party recently informed the FBI that it had collected evidence suggesting its Washington headquarters had been bugged, according to two Democratic National Committee officials who asked not to be named.

In September, according to these sources, the DNC hired a firm to conduct an electronic sweep of its offices. After Russian hackers had penetrated its email system and those of other Democratic targets, DNC officials believed it was prudent to scrutinize their offices. This examination found nothing unusual.

In late October, after conservative activist James O'Keefe released a new set of hidden-camera videos targeting Democrats, interim party chairwoman Donna Brazile ordered up another sweep. There was a concern that Republican foes might have infiltrated the DNC offices, where volunteers were reporting to work on phone banks and other election activities. (For some of their actions, O'Keefe and his crew have used people posing as volunteers to gain access to Democratic outfits.)

The second sweep, according to the Democratic officials, found a radio signal near the chairman's office that indicated there might be a listening device outside the office. "We were told that this was something that could pick up calls from cellphones," a DNC official says. "The guys who did the sweep said it was a strong indication." No device was recovered. No possible culprits were identified.

The DNC sent a report with the technical details to the FBI, according to the DNC officials. "We believe it's been given by the bureau to another agency with three letters to examine," the DNC official says. "We're not supposed to talk about it."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2016, 09:18:04 PM

RACE TIGHTENING YALL

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 04, 2016, 09:36:37 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 04, 2016, 07:18:06 PM

https://twitter.com/MSNBC/status/794625064746582016

barry o don't leave us  :'(

And here's Trump recapping that at a rally:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwdjvyHXUAAbRD9.jpg)

:spin

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 04, 2016, 09:51:32 PM

What a fucking moron

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2016, 09:52:57 PM

I can't wait to wake up on Wednesday and not have to think about Donald Trump ever again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2016, 10:32:21 PM

Trump knows what he is saying is BS but its all about ginning up the crowd at this point and the crowd don't care.

Trump even after he loses wins because he has brought in the old style fuck that the other side politics of old or what you are seeing now in Europe. Polarizing politics and take no compromise attitude

Genie is out of the bottle.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 04, 2016, 10:33:49 PM

Yeah, unfortunately, I think we're going to see more conservative politicians adopt this style over the next few years. :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 04, 2016, 11:05:46 PM

THE OPPO IS DROPPING THE OPPO IS DROPPING

MAN THE STATIONS

 :drudge :drudge :supergay :supergay :drudge :drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 04, 2016, 11:10:03 PM

• Melania is an illegal immigrant
• Trump had an affair with a porn star

 :drudge

I cant wait for the 10pm news drop tomorrow in preparation for the Sunday papers

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 11:14:44 PM

someone who appeared in playboy is a porn star now? :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 04, 2016, 11:15:42 PM

wut

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 11:16:05 PM

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Mrs. Trump, who received a green card in March 2001 and became a U.S. citizen in 2006, has always maintained that she arrived in the country legally and never violated the terms of her immigration status. During the presidential campaign, she has cited her story to defend her husband's hard line on immigration.

The wife of the GOP presidential nominee, who sometimes worked as a model under just her first name, has said through an attorney that she first came to the U.S. from Slovenia on Aug. 27, 1996, on a B1/B2 visitor visa and then obtained an H-1B work visa on Oct. 18, 1996.

The documents obtained by the AP show she was paid for 10 modeling assignments between Sept. 10 and Oct. 15, during a time when her visa allowed her generally to be in the U.S. and look for work but not perform paid work in the country.

deport donald for this horseshit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 04, 2016, 11:18:11 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 11:14:44 PM

someone who appeared in playboy is a porn star now? :doge

He cheated on his illegal immigrant wife with a porn model and then had this cronies at the National "Mainstream Media" Enquirer pay her $150,000 to kill the story.

LOCK THEM UP
LOCK THEM UP
LOCK THEM UP

Quote from: Syph on November 04, 2016, 11:15:42 PM

wut

The oppo is hot and fresh my man, open your mouth and get ready for more

 :supergay :supergay

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 11:21:54 PM

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Avra C Weinstein · Adler University Chicago Campus
Careful what you wish for. The Putins around the world are wishing for a weakened America and Trump is the weakest of them all. Who do you want leading, a bankrupt, lying, sexual predator, who dodged the draft, or a pitbull of a fighter, who never gives up! VOTE!! Vote Clinton!

DODGED THE DRAFT?!?!? WELL I NEVER

(http://static.politifact.com.s3.amazonaws.com/politifact/photos/draftdogers.jpg)

worst of the worst

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on November 04, 2016, 11:24:16 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2016, 10:32:21 PM

Trump knows what he is saying is BS but its all about ginning up the crowd at this point and the crowd don't care.

Trump even after he loses wins because he has brought in the old style fuck that the other side politics of old or what you are seeing now in Europe. Polarizing politics and take no compromise attitude

Genie is out of the bottle.

Yes, I've read that Hitler also didn't really care too much about the Jewish people one way or the other, he just recognized a convenient scapegoat and started rolling on them.

The most pertinent observation I've seen so far this year is "What would happen if someone unlike Trump, someone canny, someone in control of their faculties, reason, and their own mouth, but with the same xenophobic and autocratic agenda were running against Hillary?"

It has been truly staggering to watch Trump supporters stride blithely past the man's provable lies and disgusting behavior, in favor of fear and hatred in the name of "taking back America." You can bet the Kochs have people looking into alternate mouthpieces for 2020.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 11:25:05 PM

shows you how hypocritical lieberals are that they never mention how Obama used his education IN A FOREIGN NATION as part of his way to having avoided serving in Vietnam

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zepblackstar on November 04, 2016, 11:47:03 PM

Quote from: chronovore on November 04, 2016, 11:24:16 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 04, 2016, 10:32:21 PM

Trump knows what he is saying is BS but its all about ginning up the crowd at this point and the crowd don't care.

Trump even after he loses wins because he has brought in the old style fuck that the other side politics of old or what you are seeing now in Europe. Polarizing politics and take no compromise attitude

Genie is out of the bottle.

Yes, I've read that Hitler also didn't really care too much about the Jewish people one way or the other, he just recognized a convenient scapegoat and started rolling on them.

The most pertinent observation I've seen so far this year is "What would happen if someone unlike Trump, someone canny, someone in control of their faculties, reason, and their own mouth, but with the same xenophobic and autocratic agenda were running against Hillary?"

It has been truly staggering to watch Trump supporters stride blithely past the man's provable lies and disgusting behavior, in favor of fear and hatred in the name of "taking back America." You can bet the Kochs have people looking into alternate mouthpieces for 2020.

Thats the next version for 2018 congress ,2020 elections. Find someone good looking for television who can smooth talk his/her way up. I mean Trump now is in a dogfight with Hillary and he is just rough all over.

GOP voters are not taking anymore McCain  or Romney types

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 12:31:35 AM

Benji defend this

(http://i.imgur.com/LzojQdP.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 12:43:52 AM

Trump wins 10,260 simulations and Clinton wins 9,740.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 12:49:06 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 12:43:52 AM

Trump wins 10,260 simulations and Clinton wins 9,740.

Is he using the same software as Deadliest Warrior?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 01:24:16 AM

Just read the page, it explains how it gets to the percentages to setup for the simulation. (Which is used just to get a distribution more than actually determine the outcome.)

The main thing is Trump's momentum which you can see clearly in RCP's graph, a seven point swing in two weeks: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nv/nevada_trump_vs_clinton_vs_johnson-6004.html

You can see it here too. http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-nevada-president-trump-vs-clinton/ (Reduce the smoothing, to see a bigger trend take out the partisan pollsters. To see a yooge trend take out the internet polls.)

It gives him two percentage points alone in the 538 model.

What part is upsetting you most? The fact that it's displayed on a webpage?

Sam Wang also has Nevada tied.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 01:33:29 AM

that real data doesn't support his model's conclusions?

Also, check an aggregate:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-nevada-president-trump-vs-clinton

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 02:15:57 AM

I just linked you to two aggregates (538 is also an aggregate) including that very one.

And what "real data" are you using to check it against? It says Nevada is a 50/50 tossup. Same thing as Sam Wang says. There's still four days to update not only the data in the models but before we can test them. And as long as Trump or Clinton wins Nevada, they'll be right.

If I lessen the smoothing on Pollster's aggregate and do nothing else, I get 44.5% Trump, 43.5% Clinton, 9.0% Johnson. 538's unadjusted aggregate is 44.5% Clinton, 43.1% Trump, 6.2% Johnson.

538 and PEC both have it as a toss-up because it's so far within the margin of error it'd be stupid to rate it as anything else.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 02:33:36 AM

Real data is early voting in which dems are up by more than a few percentage points iirc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2016, 02:42:35 AM

What's your point?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 02:48:03 AM

Early voting data only tells us what percentage of registered voters are voting early, not who they're voting for, not anything about who will vote on election day, etc. It's not any kind of data to check a model with its own incomplete data against.

Quote from: WSJ

The Clinton campaign is also optimistic about steady Hispanic early-voting participation in Colorado and Nevada. In Nevada, 7.6% of all early ballots mailed in or cast in person have been by Hispanic or Latino voters, according to Catalist. What isn’t clear in those states is whether the Clinton campaign has attracted new Hispanic supporters or whether it has simply convinced more Hispanics to cast their ballots early rather than on Election Day.

Hispanic/Latino turnout in 2012 was 15% of the total vote in Nevada. 21% of the state's population is of Mexican heritage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 02:56:58 AM

My point is that Nevada is a lock for dems, and that his model has become increasingly flimsyand wonky. It seems to give a lot of weight to pollsters that have little credibility, while not taking into account early voting numbers at all (this problem is not exclusive to 538). It is suspicious that as we get closer to election day and more and more data is available for analysis, his predictions are LOSING certainty. More than half the ballots are going yo be cast before the election daynand I bet he will still have it as a toss up. As a predictive tool his model has little use.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 02:58:10 AM

Benji, you know that you can extrapolate a lot of info from voting demographics.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2016, 03:02:18 AM

"Suspicious?"

What do we suspect?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 03:03:36 AM

You can't "take into account" early voting because it doesn't tell you anything other than who is voting early based on their registration.

Early voting as of yesterday in Nevada is 47-34-19 for D-R-Other. Registration in the state is 40-34-26. Even if we assume 50% of voters will vote early and 50% will vote on election day. There's no reason to assume election day wouldn't be 33-34-33 to even things back out. And there's no reason to assume that "Other" vote isn't splitting in such a way to reflect the polls vs. registration difference. i.e. for Trump.

EDIT: Indeed, CNN's poll (the newest one in Nevada) has Independents voting 56-28-10 for Trump-Clinton-Johnson. 88% of them say their mind is made up. They go 58-33 for Trump when presented just the major two candidates. That alone would erase the D turnout advantage assuming every single registered D is voting Clinton.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 03:11:51 AM

Quote from: Mandark on November 05, 2016, 03:02:18 AM

"Suspicious?"

What do we suspect?

"We?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2016, 03:31:29 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 03:03:36 AM

Indeed, CNN's poll (the newest one in Nevada) has Independents voting 56-28-10 for Trump-Clinton-Johnson.

There's also the issue that party registration and self-identification aren't really the same thing (think people who have voted Republican since 1980 but are still registered as Dems), so comparing party splits between polls and early votes is generally apples-to-oranges.

More generally, it's conceivable that you could draw somewhat reliable correlations between early voting and the final tallies given enough data, but it's such a small sample size that I wouldn't assume tossing it into a statistical model would automatically improve its accuracy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 03:51:44 AM

Right, and that "Other" share, even in early voting, is 20%(!) of the total and you have to decide somehow how to allocate it. I'd more concerned about that throwing even in more noise than simply staying with the polls which we know historically are generally pretty accurate in terms of calling the winner. And tossing them into the model at a 60/30/10 split for Trump isn't going to make people any happier.

538 may be overweighting momentum (at least that looks like the largest potential error across the board) which is why Trump has the slight advantage in the 50/50 toss-up. Trying to factor in early voting wouldn't affect this because momentum can't be retroactively changing the votes of people who already voted. And PEC doesn't, and it also is the only other site in the Upshot's chart to list Nevada as a toss-up. (PEC also gives Ohio to Trump in 95% of simulations.)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 05, 2016, 04:03:29 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/7Qot5WA.png)

Jay-Z a member of the illuminati confirmed

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2016, 04:04:17 AM

Drew Linzer also has NV as a tossup, with Trump very slightly ahead.

I mean, it's very possible that they get this wrong, especially since Nevada seems tricky to survey (Obama outperformed in 2012 iirc and Reid was waaaay ahead of his polling in 2010), but it seems weird to single out NV as evidence that Silver is making uniquely bad decisions or dishonestly changing his model on the fly when his model's pretty much in line with the other aggregators, as benji's pointed out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 04:29:16 AM

Linzer also recently posted a good chart that shows why 538 seems to be doing something out of the ordinary for people who obsessively check the projections, this is how the simulations spit out Electoral Vote count distributions:
(http://votamatic.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/histograms.png)

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These histograms—and the chances of Clinton winning—are different from what each model is actually reporting as their national-level forecast because, like us, none of the other forecasters assume that state election outcomes are independent. If the polls are wrong, or if there’s a national swing in voter preferences toward Trump, then his odds should increase in many states at once: Nevada, Ohio, Florida, and so forth.

This adds extra uncertainty to the forecast, which widens the plausible range of electoral vote outcomes, and lowers Clinton’s chances of winning.

And linked to an upshot piece from a month back:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/30/upshot/why-are-the-different-presidential-forecasts-so-far-apart.html

None of this is surprising to people who bother to read what each model is trying to do instead of thinking there's some kind of motive to support one candidate at the expense of their continued credibility. :snob

Someone should just aggregate the various aggregates but not tell anybody that's all their black box does. :teehee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2016, 04:39:10 AM

Quote from: chronovore on November 04, 2016, 11:24:16 PM

Yes, I've read that Hitler also didn't really care too much about the Jewish people one way or the other, he just recognized a convenient scapegoat and started rolling on them.

Nah that one is bullshit. Hitler was actually fairly consistent from the writing of Mein Kampf to the war. Keep in mind the extermination process was secret (even if transparently so to some segments of the population) and as such had no public image "benefit" with the antisemitic sentiment of the general population. Also that the regime, up to the very last minute and even while conducting last ditches defense on its home soil, continued to waste time and resources to the extermination effort. Hitler and Nazis were committed to the whole thing despite the whole effort being irrational to the extreme.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 05:12:25 AM

To explain the charts oversimply, say three polls come out that show a swing to Trump of three points, one point and five points.

The HuffPo model will quickly take Hillary's chances from say 90% to 80% to 75% and then stay there until new data. Nate's will do something like go from 85% to 83% to 82% to 81% to 77% to 75% to 76% because it's churning far far more data.

Nate's model is super-conservative because he's trying to smooth everything out by introducing tons more regressions. It looks like it's moving all over the place when it's actually just trying to settle over time. That's why he has the "nowcast" and "polls-plus" and they will ideally converge. (They basically have at this point.) Most of the other models are doing "nowcasts" and there's no expectation that the HuffPo projection from two months ago should drift towards the one today. Ideally, the "polls-plus" from four months ago looks more like the one today than any nowcasts did.

Today Polls-Plus: 48.4% Clinton (290), 45.6% Trump (248), 4.5% Horseshit
Today Nowcast: 48.3% Clinton (290), 45.5% Trump (248), 4.6% Horseshit
Day Before GOP Convention "polls-plus": 47.5% Clinton (298), 44.7% Trump (240), 6.5% Horseshit
Day Before GOP Convention "nowcast": 45.9% Clinton (306), 42.5% Trump (232), 10.4% Horseshit
Clinton's peak in the nowcast was August 8th: 50.3% Clinton (388), 40.6% Trump (150), 7.8% Horseshit
On the same day, the polls-plus was projecting: 49.0% Clinton (324), 44.4% Trump (214), 5.3% Horseshit

Ultimately, Nate is making things more complicated and creating his own readers confusion because there's only one trial. But he's most likely working from a sports stats mentality of putting in past seasonal data to smooth out the flukes. This probably explained why he was so damned adamant about finding a model that explained every primary back to 1972 and fitting 2016 into it rather than looking at the data in front of him (and the completely different calendar, and sheer number of candidates and...) as a separate trial and dismissing everything except some aspects of 2008 and 2012.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2016, 06:57:37 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 04, 2016, 12:32:50 PM

http://www.infowars.com/spirit-cooking-clinton-campaign-chairman-invited-to-bizarre-satanic-performance/

Quote

In what is undoubtedly the most bizarre Wikileaks revelation to date, Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta was invited to a “spirit cooking dinner” by performance artist Marina Abramovic, to take part in an occult ritual founded by Satanist Aleister Crowley.

In an email dated June 28, 2015, Abramovic wrote, “I am so looking forward to the Spirit Cooking dinner at my place. Do you think you will be able to let me know if your brother is joining? All my love, Marina.”

Tony Podesta then forwarded the email to his brother John Podesta (Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman), asking him, “Are you in NYC Thursday July 9 Marina wants you to come to dinner.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wKbFKZjvioE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 07:54:41 AM

Clinton campaign death spiral:

Quote

A Democratic elector in Washington state said Friday he won't vote for Hillary Clinton even if she wins the popular vote in his state on Election Day, adding a degree of suspense when the Electoral College affirms the election results next month.

Robert Satiacum, a member of Washington's Puyallup Tribe, supported Bernie Sanders in the Democratic primary. He said he believes Clinton is a "criminal" who doesn't care enough about American Indians and "she's done nothing but flip back and forth."

He said he has wrestled with what to do, but feels that neither Clinton nor Republican Donald Trump can lead the country.

"She will not get my vote, period," he said in a phone interview with The Associated Press.

Americans vote for the president, but they're really casting votes for each state's electors, who will decide the next president on Dec. 19.

In all but two states, the winner of the state's popular vote gets all of the state's electors. There's nothing in the Constitution that says the electors are required to vote for a particular candidate, but some states have penalties for so-called "faithless electors." Satiacum faces a $1,000 fine in Washington if he doesn't vote for Clinton, but he said he doesn't care.

"This is a time we all need to stand up and speak out," he said.

Satiacum is one of 12 Democratic electors in Washington, which Clinton is expected to win. He said he has gotten a lot of criticism since he told media outlets earlier this month that he might not vote for Clinton. But he said he has also heard from electors in other states who thanked him for speaking out. He said he hopes some of those electors follow his lead.

remember, if he goes to state prison for not paying the fine he's no longer an "offender"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on November 05, 2016, 08:37:08 AM

Wait. What the fuck is this?

Quote

There's nothing in the Constitution that says the electors are required to vote for a particular candidate, but some states have penalties for so-called "faithless electors." Satiacum faces a $1,000 fine in Washington if he doesn't vote for Clinton, but he said he doesn't care.

It's not April 1st so I'm confused.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 09:02:01 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faithless_elector#List_of_faithless_electors

This is why I told them not to let H.A. Goodman pick the slate of electors.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on November 05, 2016, 09:05:03 AM

Oh. Cool. The US electoral system is even more fucked up than I thought.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 10:44:10 AM

I don't buy that Undecided voter poll at all in NV. You guys will see on election day.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2016, 12:00:51 PM

Nevada is truly a toss up, but I think last night is evidence that Clinton should be confident about picking it up.

Silver's Florida and North Carolina projections are far more questionable.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 01:14:55 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nevada-early-vote_us_581d5e39e4b0e80b02ca43d0?

Registered Democrat votes higher than in 2012 at the same point, when Obama took the stare by a 7 point margin.  :smug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on November 05, 2016, 01:34:38 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 01:14:55 PM

when Obama took the stare by a 7 point margin.  :smug

(https://abload.de/img/100223_obama_staring_ocu0j.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 02:18:50 PM

Hillary has already won Nevada with early voting.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Mandark on November 05, 2016, 03:25:01 PM

The Culinary Union doing work.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 03:32:04 PM

You guys still think it's a dead heat? You should work for CNN  :P

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 05, 2016, 03:46:40 PM

For fucking real. Wednesday cannot come soon enough. I'm just gonna hibernate with my new cat and play Skyrim til then.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 05, 2016, 04:03:51 PM

Before this show ends, I just want to say thank you.  This last year has a given me a real boost to my sense of superiority and national pride as a Canadian. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 04:24:29 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 05, 2016, 04:03:51 PM

Before this show ends, I just want to say thank you.  This last year has a given me a real boost to my sense of superiority and national pride as a Canadian.

Rob Ford would like to have a word with you!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 05, 2016, 04:48:12 PM

How, he's dead. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 04:56:04 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 05, 2016, 04:48:12 PM

How, he's dead.

If you chant his name three times, he will materialize with an 8 ball

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 04:56:37 PM

Fuck Wednesday. Fast forward to 11PM Tuesday EST so I can read the butthurt tweets/comments (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 04:57:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 04:56:37 PM

Fuck Wednesday. Fast forward to 11PM Tuesday EST so I can read the butthurt tweets/comments (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

wat if Trump wins

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 05, 2016, 05:25:26 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 04:57:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 04:56:37 PM

Fuck Wednesday. Fast forward to 11PM Tuesday EST so I can read the butthurt tweets/comments (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

wat if Trump wins

Same butt hurt different tweets.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 05:33:26 PM

Quote from: zomgee on November 05, 2016, 05:25:26 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 04:57:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 04:56:37 PM

Fuck Wednesday. Fast forward to 11PM Tuesday EST so I can read the butthurt tweets/comments (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

wat if Trump wins

Same butt hurt different tweets.

some people just want to watch the world burn  :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 05, 2016, 05:47:22 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 04:56:37 PM

Fuck Wednesday. Fast forward to 11PM Tuesday EST so I can read the butthurt tweets/comments (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

Was almost gonna post this exact time but only cuz it's when Desus and Mero's election special airs  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 06:04:36 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 04:57:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 04:56:37 PM

Fuck Wednesday. Fast forward to 11PM Tuesday EST so I can read the butthurt tweets/comments (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

wat if Trump wins

I'll become a black republican and eventually host my own show on Trump TV.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 05, 2016, 06:12:05 PM

If Trump wins I’ll move to Exxon Mobil controlled Syria.

Now everyone else post their plans for when Trump wins.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 06:13:54 PM

If Trump wins I will continue reaping the benefits of being a White American Straight Male.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on November 05, 2016, 06:25:55 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 06:13:54 PM

If Trump wins I will continue reaping the benefits of being a White American Straight Male.

You're going to do that either way though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 06:36:59 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 05, 2016, 06:25:55 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 05, 2016, 06:13:54 PM

If Trump wins I will continue reaping the benefits of being a White American Straight Male.

You're going to do that either way though.

True, but I'm With Her

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 05, 2016, 06:59:21 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 05, 2016, 04:03:51 PM

Before this show ends, I just want to say thank you.  This last year has a given me a real boost to my sense of superiority and national pride as a Canadian.

as a fellow canadian, enjoy it while you can

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 05, 2016, 06:13:34 PM

Great that I have an exit plan to Montreal that I didn't even plan out, though.

:neogaf hope you dont plan on leaving the city limits if you dont speak french

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: archie4208 on November 05, 2016, 07:01:31 PM

I can't wait to read /pol/ and /r/the_donald for all the butthurt :drool

spoiler (click to show/hide)

And GAF if he actually wins.  :fbm

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2016, 07:43:37 PM

He won't win.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2016, 07:54:56 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 04:56:37 PM

Fuck Wednesday. Fast forward to 11PM Tuesday EST so I can read the butthurt tweets/comments (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/upFcken.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 05, 2016, 09:06:33 PM

USA has terrible political cartoonists. Sad !

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvuzoMPUsAA4mon.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2016, 09:13:38 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 05, 2016, 09:06:33 PM

USA has terrible political cartoonists. Sad !

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvuzoMPUsAA4mon.jpg)

Not true:

(http://i.imgur.com/hN6vKMF.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 10:26:11 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 05, 2016, 09:06:33 PM

USA has terrible political cartoonists. Sad !

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CvuzoMPUsAA4mon.jpg)

sweet lookin tank tho makin me rethink trump vote

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 05, 2016, 10:30:09 PM

Oh, that's God. Ok.

Those cartoons are always great. I always rush to find Crying Liberty.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 10:55:51 PM

Quote

@mitchellvii

Bill Mitchell Retweeted wine mom's 4 trump

Don't underestimate the negative effect on Hispanic voters of this #spiritcooking business.  They HATE El Diablo.

Quote

@mitchellvii 1h1 hour ago

You know who else hates witchcraft and that Devil worship stuff?  The black community.

:drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 11:24:51 PM

agrajag now an unpaid Huffington Post contributor: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nate-silver-election-forecast_us_581e1c33e4b0d9ce6fbc6f7f

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 11:28:48 PM

Quote

Marc Kivel · University of Phoenix
After this is all over, I would suggest we all find every pollster we can lay hands on, ALL of them, tar and feather them and ride them out of town on a rail followed by the media and political handlers....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2016, 11:51:12 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 05, 2016, 11:24:51 PM

agrajag now an unpaid Huffington Post contributor: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nate-silver-election-forecast_us_581e1c33e4b0d9ce6fbc6f7f

I mean, kind of?  Silver has been embarrassed this year so he's taking Like every poll and re weighting based on trends that he's basically attempting to measure.  Also, his overall projection not taking into account these EV numbers is pretty stupid

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:32:43 AM

Problem with that theory is that Nate's failure was as a pundit and that he rejected his model and ignored the data consensus in an attempt to deny Trump's victory probabilities. He was approaching Bill Kristol levels in running exactly perpendicular to what everything should have been telling him.

Now, he's dialed back the punditry after openly acknowledging his mistake and is using the same exact methodology as he always has and getting the same answer as everyone else in his niche: "Hillary Clinton is going to win the Presidency" and people are responding to that with "YOU MOTHERFUCKER! TRUMP SUPPORTER!" and people who display not the slightest clue about any of this are demanding he include absolutely worthless data for the sole fact that they want Hillary's number to increase because they're nuts and freak out about probabilities displayed on a website changing slightly over time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:43:13 AM

Quote from: Nate Silver, today

That means Clinton has 268 electoral votes in states where she’s clearly ahead in the polls — two short of the 270 she needs.

...

The polls-plus model, which gives Trump a 36 percent chance, is basically the same one that gave Mitt Romney just a 9 percent chance on the eve of the 2012 election, so it isn’t inherently so cautious. But the still-high number of voters not committed to either Trump or Clinton — about 13 percent of the electorate says it’s undecided or will vote for a third-party candidate, as compared with just 3 percent in the final 2012 polling average — contributes substantially to uncertainty.

So does the unusually broad swing-state map, with the outcome in at least a dozen states still in some doubt. And it’s important to remember that the outcomes in each state are correlated with one another, so that if Clinton underperforms her polls in Wisconsin (for instance), she’ll probably also do so in Minnesota. Forecasts that don’t account for these correlations are liable to be overconfident about the outcome. It isn’t hard to find examples of candidates who systematically beat their polls in almost every competitive state, as President Obama did in 2012 and as Republican candidates for governor and senator did in 2014.

...

Our model has thought so all year, and it’s because Clinton’s gains relative to Obama are concentrated among demographic groups — Hispanics, college-educated whites, Mormons — that are under-represented in swing states relative to their overall share of the population. Now that has become more apparent in the polling, and roughly a third of Trump’s 35 percent chance of victory reflects cases where he just barely gets over the hump in the Electoral College despite losing the popular vote.

Could the reverse happen instead — Clinton winning the Electoral College despite losing the popular vote? Our model considers it to be a remote possibility — an 0.5 percent chance

Quote from: Nate Silver, July 15th

Donald Trump has significantly improved his position in our general election forecasts as a result of state and national polls that show declining numbers for Hillary Clinton. Trump now has a 36 percent chance of winning the election, according to our polls-only forecast, and a 37 percent chance according to polls-plus, which also considers economic conditions.

...

the race isn’t that close — Clinton is matching Obama’s 2012 margin.1 But it’s early, so the outcome is highly uncertain. That uncertainty cuts both ways, meaning that Clinton could easily lose to Trump, and she could also easily end up winning in a landslide.

One reason for the high level of uncertainty is that polls are showing both a large number of undecided voters and a large number of third-party voters.

...

It’s easy to become obsessed with how the polls have changed over the past day or the past week, but sometimes you’ll gain perspective by taking a longer-term view. Clinton’s position in the polls is about the same as it was on June 8, the day after she won the California primary. It’s better than it was for parts of May, when polls showed a very close national race. But it’s worse than it was for much of March and April, when polls had her ahead by high single digits. These types of fluctuations are fairly normal, especially early in the race; we were spoiled in 2012 by unusually stable polls.

...

Although either outcome is improbable, Trump is more likely to win the Electoral College while losing the popular vote than the other way around, according to the model. That doesn’t mean Trump is winning in swing states right now

...

But the Florida-Ohio-Pennsylvania triad has been problematic for her, and that makes it hard for her to have a firewall of states that she can feel comfortable about.

:success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2016, 12:44:24 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:32:43 AM

Problem with that theory is that Nate's failure was as a pundit and that he rejected his model and ignored the data consensus in an attempt to deny Trump's victory probabilities. He was approaching Bill Kristol levels in running exactly perpendicular to what everything should have been telling him.

Now, he's dialed back the punditry after openly acknowledging his mistake and is using the same exact methodology as he always has and getting the same answer as everyone else in his niche: "Hillary Clinton is going to win the Presidency" and people are responding to that with "YOU MOTHERFUCKER! TRUMP SUPPORTER!" and people who display not the slightest clue about any of this are demanding he include absolutely worthless data for the sole fact that they want Hillary's number to increase because they're nuts and freak out about probabilities displayed on a website changing slightly over time.

That is 100% false.  He's been writing nonstop about how this election has become a horse race.  He's saying that state polls are not kind to Clinton even though we have legitimate proof that Nevada and Florida are appearing as locks for her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Trent Dole on November 06, 2016, 12:52:06 AM

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NEVADA
https://vine.co/v/5gv6bJ6mmZF
LYIN TED

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:52:30 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2016, 12:44:24 AM

He's saying that state polls are not kind to Clinton even though we have legitimate proof that Nevada and Florida are appearing as locks for her.

Even if we did, in two states, have "legitimate proof" of anything days before the election is even held, that says nothing about whether state polls in general are being unkind to Clinton or not.

HuffPo is the only aggregate to consider both Florida and Nevada to be even within shouting distance of "locks" and nobody else considers any of NH, NC, FL, NV, OH, or IA to be a lock for any candidate except DK on NH. (HuffPo is close on NH and PredictWise is close on NV.)

Unless we're going to turn around and agree that 538 has the election projected as a lock for Clinton.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2016, 12:59:24 AM

You're ignoring PEC.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 01:01:25 AM

I am not. The only state of that group it has close to 95% confidence in is Ohio and it has it at 91% for Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: doctavius bonbon on November 06, 2016, 01:23:39 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/rv92tDs.gif)

(http://i.imgur.com/DxS1Yvk.png)

 :aweshum

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Nola on November 06, 2016, 01:25:29 AM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2016, 12:44:24 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:32:43 AM

Problem with that theory is that Nate's failure was as a pundit and that he rejected his model and ignored the data consensus in an attempt to deny Trump's victory probabilities. He was approaching Bill Kristol levels in running exactly perpendicular to what everything should have been telling him.

Now, he's dialed back the punditry after openly acknowledging his mistake and is using the same exact methodology as he always has and getting the same answer as everyone else in his niche: "Hillary Clinton is going to win the Presidency" and people are responding to that with "YOU MOTHERFUCKER! TRUMP SUPPORTER!" and people who display not the slightest clue about any of this are demanding he include absolutely worthless data for the sole fact that they want Hillary's number to increase because they're nuts and freak out about probabilities displayed on a website changing slightly over time.

That is 100% false.  He's been writing nonstop about how this election has become a horse race.  He's saying that state polls are not kind to Clinton even though we have legitimate proof that Nevada and Florida are appearing as locks for her.

I guess I am just struggling with the logic. Now to preface I do not get all that detailed into analyzing the psychology of Nate's articles. I basically have taken a simple approach, he hasn't proven his presidential predictions are broken yet and until he does I continue to give him credibility. But he never has and never will be my singular source for polling aggregation and forecasting.

But what I don't get with the critique, accurate or not, is the why? If he is doing it, if he is sensationalizing and over-selling a horse race, that seems dangerously short sighted. The foundation of his entire brand is tied to his credibility on statistical analysis, most prominately on presidential election forecasting. Other then clicks for a few months, the downside is a complete de-legitimizing of his brand. Which I have a hard time imagining someone as smart as he is would think so narrowly and blindly. Again, not saying it isn't true, I just struggle understanding the logic if he is or why he would do it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 06, 2016, 01:28:44 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:32:43 AM

Problem with that theory is that Nate's failure was as a pundit and that he rejected his model and ignored the data consensus in an attempt to deny Trump's victory probabilities. He was approaching Bill Kristol levels in running exactly perpendicular to what everything should have been telling him.

Now, he's dialed back the punditry after openly acknowledging his mistake and is using the same exact methodology as he always has and getting the same answer as everyone else in his niche: "Hillary Clinton is going to win the Presidency" and people are responding to that with "YOU MOTHERFUCKER! TRUMP SUPPORTER!" and people who display not the slightest clue about any of this are demanding he include absolutely worthless data for the sole fact that they want Hillary's number to increase because they're nuts and freak out about probabilities displayed on a website changing slightly over time.

Kind of like his model taking wild swings from dubious outlier polls?  :lol

Nate Silver on outlier polls in 2012 - ignore them (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/outlier-polls-are-no-substitute-for-news/)

Nate Silver on outlier polls in 2016 - leave LA times poll alone! (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 01:49:27 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 06, 2016, 01:28:44 AM

Nate Silver on outlier polls in 2012 - ignore them (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/outlier-polls-are-no-substitute-for-news/)

Erm, not exactly:

Quote

My general view, as I’ve expressed before, is that you should not throw out data without a good reason. If cherry-picking the two or three data points that you like the most is a sin of the first order, disregarding the two or three data points that you like the least will lead to many of the same problems.

At the same time, it’s important to take data in context. Many polls consistently show a partisan lean toward one or another candidate. And some polls just aren’t very good, taking shortcut after shortcut that leave them far short of taking a true random sample of voters.

The FiveThirtyEight forecast model seeks to strike a balance between these ideas. If it can place a poll into context based on what it knows about the polling firm, it will use it, although the model includes a lot of checks-and-balances that are supposed to prevent the model from overreacting to any one data point.

In this case, the firm conducting the Bloomberg poll (Selzer & Company) actually has a good track record, and their previous polls this cycle had not shown especially favorable results to Mr. Obama. So the model uses the poll, just carefully.

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My view is that this is a reasonable heuristic method to apply even if you aren’t operating through the formality of a statistical model. If an “outlier” poll comes from a credible polling firm, throw it in the average and don’t sweat it much; these things will happen from time to time when so much polling data is released every day. Every now and then the poll might come from a truly dubious polling firm, and then you might come closer to just ignoring it entirely.

Either of these approaches is preferable to overreacting to the poll. Some news outlets reacted with surprise to the Bloomberg poll because, they claimed, it defied the conventional wisdom that Mr. Obama had been having a bad month. However, the conventional wisdom is not always worth very much.

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Nate Silver on outlier polls in 2016 - leave LA times poll alone! (http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/)

Fun from this one:

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Put another way, the house effects adjustment seeks to determine what the best pollsters are saying and not just what the most prolific ones are saying. In 2012, that made a difference: the higher-quality pollsters generally projected better results for Obama than the lower-quality ones. This year, any such effects are very minor,3 and neither Trump nor Clinton benefits much from the house effects adjustment overall, although it can matter more in individual states. Polls in Nevada happen to be a Trump-leaning bunch, for instance, so the house effects adjustment slightly helps Clinton there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 06, 2016, 02:08:48 AM

Suuuure

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2016, 02:17:21 AM

Debate about poll aggregators :holeup
We thought we were safe...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 06, 2016, 02:21:30 AM

I like triggering benji 8)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 02:22:03 AM

A debate requires at least two sides with an argument. :bolo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 06, 2016, 02:29:41 AM

When Clinton decisively takes NV, benji will have to be helplessly rushed offstage like Donald Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 02:31:05 AM

 :confused

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 06:17:46 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9bmc1uKAz4

how was he not arrested?!?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 06:23:25 AM

Trump launches attack ad against Jews:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vST61W4bGm8

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 06:29:10 AM

lucky Colorado
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CweFFaMWgAAIiec.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 06:31:16 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2016, 10:55:51 PM

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@mitchellvii

Bill Mitchell Retweeted wine mom's 4 trump

Don't underestimate the negative effect on Hispanic voters of this #spiritcooking business.  They HATE El Diablo.

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@mitchellvii 1h1 hour ago

You know who else hates witchcraft and that Devil worship stuff?  The black community.

:drudge

needs to step up his game:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwiz7ANXUAAqWxZ.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2016, 09:36:49 AM

Polls don't take EV into account unless the poll asks about it. In this case Hillary has clearly won NV and probably won FL from EV but it's not hard to see why polling might not reflect that. That's not Silver's fault. Now is he or the media at fault for ignoring this information in order to peddle horse race narratives? Sure. But again that doesn't make his model or polling trash. It's always been as good as the polling provided, and in every major EV state we're dealing with a demographic that has historically been hard to poll (Hispanics). AZ is having historic EV participation from Hispanics, Hillary might end up winning it too.

Basically I get the impression you guys are trying to calm down the less informed (parents, friends, democrats, etc) and don't know how to explain Nate's model. But you don't really need to. Hillary is still ahead bros. As I said a couple weeks ago as long as Trump has no shot in PA or VA he has no shot at winning. He also has no GOTV machine meaning he'll likely under perform on Election Day. As the greatest gay quarterback once said: relax.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: brawndolicious on November 06, 2016, 09:52:52 AM

It's also an image thing if Hillary doesn't do >50% in popular vote and beats Trump by a large margin. Even if voter turnout is super low this year, how does it look when the Dem candidate can't even get a majority of support when running against Trump?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 09:56:05 AM

(https://i.sli.mg/fDXBKV.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2016, 12:10:17 PM

http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2016/11/06/johnny-isakson-david-perdue-reject-long-term-supreme-court-stonewall/

Hopefully the Supreme Court stalemate is about to break ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:13:50 PM

I had always assumed they were going to punt until after the election and hope Garland is still there.

If Obama doesn't care about Hillary picking the next Justice over himself and the D's take the Senate then I'd pull him. And use like the same explanation "the next President should be able to choose blah blah blah" the GOP was.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:21:14 PM

Quote

with a definite pro-prosecution bent in criminal cases

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Garland also expressed admiration for the writing style of Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes.

Ugh, nevermind, leave the seat empty!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 06, 2016, 12:22:13 PM

I've been thinking that was Obama's long term plan all along.  Nominate someone somewhat middling, make the GOP look like asses, wait for a Clinton presidency and slight Senate gains and pull him back to allow Clinton her own nomination.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2016, 12:40:21 PM

Seems obvious Obama and his staff considered all this though, since obstruction was already in the air back then. But I agree that the compromise offer from Obama was genuine and not just some 11th dimensional optics chess.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:49:11 PM

Sorry, I was suggesting what I would do. :lol

I'd also consider pulling Garland, then nominating the most conservative guy I can find on the Circuit Courts and let the Democrats filibuster him of the rest of the Congressional term if need be.

Wait, no.

Nominate Ted Cruz!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/11oRLY4FRk2s36/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: VomKriege on November 06, 2016, 12:52:26 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/07/us/politics/donald-trump-presidential-race.html?_r=0

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And they know that his chances of winning the election are iffy. But they maintain that there is unseen money and muscle behind his political operation — and a level of sophistication that outsiders, and people who have run traditional campaigns, cannot fully appreciate.

An interesting look at the backstage of the Trump campaign and how they finally managed to turn things around in the final stretch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:53:29 PM

Of course, the downside is when the Senate votes 99-0 just to get Cruz out of it. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 06, 2016, 01:05:38 PM

Bing Predicts still has HRC at 88% and it called almost all the primaries correctly so  :doge

If you have Windows 10, you can actually type "predict election" into the Cortana search box or even say "hey Cortana, predict the election" to get the 88% read back to you in a nice reassuring voice.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 06, 2016, 01:13:27 PM

But it's bing.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 06, 2016, 01:15:38 PM

I work on Bing so  :goty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2016, 01:17:48 PM

I typed "predict election" into the Cortana search box and it said Al Gore was going to win. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 06, 2016, 01:22:50 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 06, 2016, 01:13:27 PM

But it's bing.

The far an away superior porn aggregator? You say it like it's a bad thing.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I forgot you're a mormon 🙂

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2016, 01:38:30 PM

This election...

(https://i.sli.mg/KHFgcG.png)

https://twitter.com/paulkrugman/status/795324133655674880

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2016, 03:05:23 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 06, 2016, 12:27:57 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 06, 2016, 12:22:13 PM

I've been thinking that was Obama's long term plan all along.  Nominate someone somewhat middling, make the GOP look like asses, wait for a Clinton presidency and slight Senate gains and pull him back to allow Clinton her own nomination.

I remember when Obama did some stuff that people thought was disappointing and then Republicans made some stupid mistakes and then they'd look at those mistakes and how it made Obama look better and then they were like "What if this was Obama's plan all along!! :ohhh" and people are doing it again with the Garland pick :lol

My guess is, Obama doesn't want to play politics on this. He's too concerned with his legacy and shit.

I seriously doubt he'll respect the Republicans with their 'new president should decide' bullshit. They kept saying he was a lame duck when he wasn't. Although after the election, he will be.

I think he'll make his decision based on what Hillary wants. And fact of the matter is, she's not super progressive either and may also prefer Garland.

Edit: I think Hillary will want Garland, but Obama will hold off the appointment until after Hillary is sworn in. Then Garland will be sworn in.

Obama will pull Garland and then Hillary will nominate Obama.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Raist on November 06, 2016, 03:06:47 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 06, 2016, 01:17:48 PM

I typed "predict election" into the Cortana search box and it said Al Gore was going to win.

Beta tested in the past.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 06, 2016, 03:34:33 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 06, 2016, 01:17:48 PM

I typed "predict election" into the Cortana search box and it said Al Gore was going to win.

fuck, the 2024 module wasn't supposed to go live just yet ... brb, fixing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2016, 03:37:06 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fbi-no-new-conclusion-clinton-emails

FBI Director James Comey on Sunday afternoon sent a new letter to Congress notifying members that after reviewing a new batch of emails to and from Hillary Clinton, the bureau has "not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton."

(http://i.imgur.com/IpDAgCi.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 04:09:42 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2016, 03:05:23 PM

Obama will pull Garland and then Hillary will nominate Obama.

Hillary nominates Putin as that was the plan all along :ohhh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 06, 2016, 04:14:40 PM

Isn't this going to happen constantly for the next 4 years?  Basically anytime someone finds a system with emails from Hilary on it will reopen the case.  This is going to hang around her neck for forever. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 04:15:56 PM

https://ricochet.com/386528/how-i-might-be-wrong/

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On Thursday night, I posted an appeal to Never Trumpers, arguing that they should hold their noses and vote for the slimeball. The heart of my argument was the following claim — which I once again urge you to ponder:

The real issue is whether in the future we will have open discussion of political issues and free elections.

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To the best of my knowledge, no one who commented on the piece I wrote challenged this judgment — which seems to me to make it a moral imperative that we vote to prevent Hillary Clinton from becoming President.

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But we can go wrong on any of these matters and later correct course — as long as we can still have an open discussion of political issues and free elections. The reason I focused on the latter is that, if we go wrong on those matters, there is no road back short of revolution. If Hillary Clinton wins on Tuesday, the odds are good that she, her party, and their friends in the judiciary will shut the system down (as they already have in our universities).

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Over the last seventy-five years, the United States spent lives and treasure to construct a world order within which we could live and trade in relative safety. That order, which has contributed mightily to our prosperity, was built by men and women educated by the disaster to which our isolationist policies in the 1920s and 1930s gave rise. They understood what “a cascade of global crises” and “a world beset by threats and disorder” could produce. I grew up in the shadow of the Second World War, and I lived the first forty years of my life during the Cold War. The current generation — well represented by our current President — have forgotten just how fragile the international order is. In Europe right now and in the Pacific — thanks in large part to Barack Obama — that order is rapidly coming apart. The last time this happened it cost us hundreds of thousands of lives and treasure beyond imagination. This time, if this happens, it will be worse.

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One final point. On Tuesday, you will not be getting married; you will not be choosing a pastor; you will not be joining a church; and you will not be choosing a hero. You will not be doing anything that might leave you with morally dirty or morally clean hands. You will be doing something much more prosaic — something akin to hiring someone to mow your lawn. You will be hiring someone to do for you what you do not have the time or the other resources to do for yourself. And, just as you customarily do when you hire someone to mow the lawn, you should — in this situation also — prudently calculate which of the candidates for the job will do the least damage and the most good. That is the way Jeremy and John approach the question, and that is the way I approach the question. The fact that we disagree is a sign that this year there are powerful arguments on both sides. Thanks to Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, and the hapless Republicans in the Senate and House, we now live in very dangerous times — times dangerous for our republic, as I argue; and times dangerous for our nation, as Jeremy and John argue.

You can, of course, turn your back on the whole thing — you can stay home or line up with Jill Stein, Gary Johnson, or Evan McMullin. That would, however, be a cop-out. It might make you feel good about yourself, but this feeling of self-satisfaction would be false and unjustified. For to throw your vote away in a time of national crisis is to dodge your duty as a citizen.

He responds in the comments to those who don't recognize the moral imperative of doing your duty as a citizen and merely hiring someone:

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I agree with most of this. But you have ignored my argument about what the Democrats are now doing to prevent the open discussion of political issues and to put an end to genuinely free elections. The year 2020 may not matter.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 06, 2016, 04:29:46 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 06, 2016, 04:14:40 PM

Isn't this basically going to happen constantly for the next 4 years?  Basically anytime someone finds a system with emails from Hilary on it will reopen the case.  This is going to hang around her neck for forever. 

No, cuz Trump will be elected and Hillary will be immediately put in jail. #MAGA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: agrajag on November 06, 2016, 05:01:47 PM

If you go on GAF right now, everything is

OPTICS OPTICS OPTICS OPTICS OPTICS

last week it was all

OPPO OPPO OPPO OPPO OPPO OPPO OPPO

they sure love their buzzwords

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 07:07:12 PM

Rudy says there's going to likely be RICO charges brought against the Clinton Foundation unless the Justice Department has been completely POLITICIZED!

There's never been a slam dunk of a case like this!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2016, 07:13:11 PM

They Finally Took Away Donald Trump's Twitter Account (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/they-finally-took-away-donald-trumps-twitter-account-1788636451)

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Which isn’t to say that Trump doesn’t have any control over his tweets at all. According to The New York Times, it’s just that he now has to get permission from the nearest adult

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As the aides agonized over which words to feed into the teleprompter, they become so engrossed that a hot light set up next to the machine caused Mr. Bannon’s Kuhl hiking pants to begin smoldering.

“I think my pant leg is on fire,” he said after noticing the acrid smell.

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2016, 07:14:28 PM

Donald Trump Is Going To Get His Ass Kicked On Tuesday (http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/donald-trump-is-going-to-get-his-ass-kicked-on-tuesday-1788618628)

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Here’s the deal: Donald Trump is going to get his ass kicked. Anyone who says otherwise is either a) afraid of jinxing it and/or making Hillary Clinton voters complacent (understandable); b) afraid of being wrong (Nate Silver); c) supporting Trump; or d) interested in making this a “horse race” for the sake of maintaining public interest (most of the television media, along with grotesque shitbags like Mark Halperin).

:obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: headwalk on November 06, 2016, 07:16:09 PM

i'd quite like it to be close cause i'll be using it as an excuse to get the morning off the next day.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2016, 07:47:14 PM

https://youtu.be/kP1G45maN4A?t=2m25s

What a sack of shit; refuses to do his job. I mean, go ahead and refuse the seat, but deciding not to even vote on it -- that's passive aggressive cowardice rather than acting on one's principles.  :maf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Boredfrom on November 06, 2016, 08:10:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2016, 03:37:06 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fbi-no-new-conclusion-clinton-emails

FBI Director James Comey on Sunday afternoon sent a new letter to Congress notifying members that after reviewing a new batch of emails to and from Hillary Clinton, the bureau has "not changed our conclusions that we expressed in July with respect to Secretary Clinton."

(http://i.imgur.com/IpDAgCi.gif)

Dunno what the heck Comey was thinking would occour in the long term after doing this. Did he truly expect that there were stuff there to save face after the backlash? Does he expect that Trump protects him in case he gets elected?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 06, 2016, 08:46:31 PM

While the FBI letter was a bunch o bullshit propped up by our awful media it never fundamentally altered my opinion on anything. Unless something unexpected happens on election day, Hillary should beat the fascist candidate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2016, 09:03:41 PM

Hit up /r/The_Donald cause why not and I haven't had a good laugh like this in a while.

(http://i.imgur.com/4woJlBO.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2016, 09:08:02 PM

TOP POLITICAL ANALYST: Trump probably just lost Nevada (http://www.businessinsider.com/nevada-polls-early-voting-trump-lose-clinton-2016-11)

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What happened in Clark County, home to Las Vegas, was a record-setting final day of early voting. According to Ralston, 57,000 voters turned out in the county while voters in line waited past 10 p.m.

Registered Democrats cast about 11,000 more votes there Friday, pushing their overall margin to what Ralston called a "firewall" — 73,000 votes. That's larger than the margin President Barack Obama had when he won the state by about 7 percentage points in 2012.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2016, 09:11:46 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 06, 2016, 09:03:41 PM

Hit up /r/The_Donald cause why not and I haven't had a good laugh like this in a while.

(http://i.imgur.com/4woJlBO.png)

Mary Tyler Whore is older than I thought.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: bluemax on November 06, 2016, 10:30:57 PM

Fucking Bernie Bros:

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d3a1c10593c44da58bb611ef09101214/washington-state-elector-says-he-wont-vote-clinton

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I used to get picked on by a Satiacum when I was in elementary school, the school wouldn't do anything because the family runs one of the local Indian tribes and is corrupt and dangerous as fuck.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: bluemax on November 06, 2016, 11:42:09 PM

Journalism worthy of 119 Pullitzers!

CONSIDER A MONARCHY AMERICA: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/opinion/sunday/consider-a-monarchy-america.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 06, 2016, 11:56:53 PM

Quote from: bluemax on November 06, 2016, 11:42:09 PM

Journalism worthy of 119 Pullitzers!

CONSIDER A MONARCHY AMERICA: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/opinion/sunday/consider-a-monarchy-america.html

 :snob

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 07, 2016, 03:18:57 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 06, 2016, 11:42:09 PM

Journalism worthy of 119 Pullitzers!

CONSIDER A MONARCHY AMERICA: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/opinion/sunday/consider-a-monarchy-america.html

written by a ruski
 :sabu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Syph on November 07, 2016, 04:38:00 AM

Donald Trump Op-ed (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/11/06/donald-trump-why-you-should-vote-me/93398970/)

Hillary Clinton Op-ed (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/11/06/hillary-clinton-vote--for-me-election-day-column/93400038/)

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Third, to break the gridlock in Washington, we need to get secret, unaccountable money out of our politics. It’s drowning out the voices of the American people. So within my first 30 days, I will introduce a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United. We should be protecting citizens’ rights to vote, not corporations’ rights to buy elections.

how can she say that with a straight face goddamnit get me off this ride of lies
ill take tim kaine at this point

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 07, 2016, 10:21:45 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PABOf09aes

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2016, 10:39:03 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 06, 2016, 09:03:41 PM

Hit up /r/The_Donald cause why not and I haven't had a good laugh like this in a while.

(http://i.imgur.com/4woJlBO.png)

This is the trolling death spiral, where there's no one left to troll but yourselves.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: zomgee on November 07, 2016, 11:42:03 AM

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/509/312/a1e.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: james on November 07, 2016, 12:45:20 PM

Someone should run some kind of program to see which neogaf posters suddenly stop all activity after tomorrow.

Some kind of Shill-tracker 5000

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 07, 2016, 01:10:50 PM

Quote from: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/glenn-beck-obama-made-me-better-man

“Obama made me a better man."

 :respect

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2016, 01:43:28 PM

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/stateroundup/floridas-i-4-corridor-where-presidents-get-picked/2301429

My county

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Tasty on November 07, 2016, 01:44:08 PM

(http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/im_with_her.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Raist on November 07, 2016, 02:05:43 PM

Get a ride to the polls _{multiple times}.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2016, 02:29:31 PM

Getting to ride poles  :drool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Syph on November 07, 2016, 03:02:11 PM

welp guess im never reading xkcd again
 :snob
wait a minute, this isn't neogaf
holy shit
i can choose to separate people from who they vote for!
it's like I can still maintain relationships or not unequivocally hate people because of their electoral choices even if i dont agree!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 07, 2016, 03:12:35 PM

Sorry but if you feel that way I'm going to have to murder you in the digital realm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 07, 2016, 03:14:54 PM

TBH if I was dating someone and she was voting Trump id dump her.

Well, at least cheat on her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: doctavius bonbon on November 07, 2016, 03:21:07 PM

I wouldn't necessarily burn bridges and end relationships with friends and family over them supporting Trump, but I'm not gonna pretend like everything's all good either, especially when they start being obnoxious fuckwits about it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 07, 2016, 03:26:46 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 07, 2016, 03:21:05 PM

I don't care if people fully support Hillary or just don't want Trump in the white house, but supporting him will just have me laugh at you.

And that's about as far as it needs to go.

FUCK YOU UNCLE BOBBY might be going a bit too far.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Atramental on November 07, 2016, 03:28:18 PM

Some of my facebook peeps are trump supporters...

Can't wait to see their meltdowns.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2016, 03:51:18 PM

My best friend is skipping thanksgiving because she's so pissed at family members.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2016, 04:00:29 PM

The thing is with old Republicans the facism and racism was there but you could pretend you were voting for people like Mitt Romney or John McCain because they were "good for the economy" or whatever conservative trope you wanted to hang your hat on. When you vote for Trump it truly is a scarlet letter. We all know what's really going on there so when people try to spin it, it's clear to see the bullshit dropping right out of their mouths. I'm truly curious to see how Republicans try to bottle up the monster next election now that its out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2016, 04:04:18 PM

Part is growing up is learning to let your parents make their own mistakes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Tasty on November 07, 2016, 04:04:57 PM

My boyfriend is voting Trump.

:snoop :drudge :picard

He's a die-hard Libertarian but is voting for Supreme Court seats, along with a near-lifelong hatred of Hillary. Also "political correctness" being the root of all of society's evil.

It's really puzzling because one of his best friends is facing deportation for being an illegal immigrant. Like he just went to court several days in a row to support him a month ago.

We don't talk politics a lot, generally (though he always loved to.) :P

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2016, 04:12:57 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 07, 2016, 04:04:57 PM

My boyfriend is voting Trump.

:snoop :drudge :picard

He's a die-hard Libertarian but is voting for Supreme Court seats, along with a near-lifelong hatred of Hillary. Also "political correctness" being the root of all of society's evil.

It's really puzzling because one of his best friends is facing deportation for being an illegal immigrant. Like he just went to court several days in a row to support him a month ago.

We don't talk politics a lot, generally (though he always loved to.) :P

His stroke game that good huh
(http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Atramental on November 07, 2016, 04:17:53 PM

Does your bf have a daddy fetish, Tasty? :doge :nsfw

spoiler (click to show/hide)

https://youtu.be/nts7vPzk-cg

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Brehvolution on November 07, 2016, 04:26:55 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2016, 04:00:29 PM

The thing is with old Republicans the facism and racism was there but you could pretend you were voting for people like Mitt Romney or John McCain because they were "good for the economy" or whatever conservative trope you wanted to hang your hat on. When you vote for Trump it truly is a scarlet letter. We all know what's really going on there so when people try to spin it, it's clear to see the bullshit dropping right out of their mouths. I'm truly curious to see how Republicans try to bottle up the monster next election now that its out.

If history has any indication, they will double down and probably just have alex jones be the nominee in 2020.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2016, 04:31:01 PM

WTF FUCK THIS GUY TRYING TO RIG THE ELECTION FOR HILLARY
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/nevada/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/florida/
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/north-carolina/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2016, 04:32:16 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2016, 04:26:55 PM

If history has any indication, they will double down and probably just have alex jones be the nominee in 2020.

Hillary will have him have a "heart attack" or something before then because he's getting too close to the truth.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Syph on November 07, 2016, 04:41:13 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 07, 2016, 03:12:35 PM

Sorry but if you feel that way I'm going to have to murder you in the digital realm

the shadow realm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Raist on November 07, 2016, 05:01:00 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 07, 2016, 02:29:31 PM

Getting to ride poles  :drool

Paging Kosma.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Steve Contra on November 07, 2016, 05:04:42 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on November 07, 2016, 04:53:01 PM

What's the law in the US? Do employers have to let you leave work early or give you a few hours to go vote at any time during the day?

:lol :lol :lol Fuck no most employers in the US don't really have to do anything besides not kill you while you work there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2016, 05:05:57 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on November 07, 2016, 04:53:01 PM

What's the law in the US? Do employers have to let you leave work early or give you a few hours to go vote at any time during the day? What I'm trying to figure out is if I can start seeing results in the afternoon.

No, they don't do results until the polls close anyhow.

The media uses exit polling plus general election data analysis to call states as soon as polls close unless the results coming in look goofy or it's predicted to be a swing state. Though they got careful for a while after 2000 because of Florida embarrassing them, they'll still call a bunch of states early.

It's usually like 11pm Eastern that somebody finally calls it because the patterns are clear enough. It was just before 11:30 that Fox called it in 2012 and Rove had his meltdown.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 07, 2016, 05:06:28 PM

And even then, it would be deemed your fault if you didn't follow their safety rules, despite many companies encouraging skirting said rules

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2016, 05:06:40 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2016, 04:26:55 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 07, 2016, 04:00:29 PM

The thing is with old Republicans the facism and racism was there but you could pretend you were voting for people like Mitt Romney or John McCain because they were "good for the economy" or whatever conservative trope you wanted to hang your hat on. When you vote for Trump it truly is a scarlet letter. We all know what's really going on there so when people try to spin it, it's clear to see the bullshit dropping right out of their mouths. I'm truly curious to see how Republicans try to bottle up the monster next election now that its out.

If history has any indication, they will double down and probably just have alex jones be the nominee in 2020.

That's the really scary part. Normally I would think a party would course correct after a few losing elections. But I can imagine a future nominee that makes Trump look like a saint by comparison.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Atramental on November 07, 2016, 05:47:31 PM

Asking for a friend as well.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I'll try and vote for Hillary tomorrow just as a fuck you to all the alt-right cunts.

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Atramental on November 07, 2016, 05:51:07 PM

Oh yeah... the rest of the ballot. :doge

I need to vote against Trey Gowdy and his stupid hair.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 07, 2016, 05:51:49 PM

My ballot got lost in the mail on the way to me, after a few back and forth emails with the elections office, I can only maybe get a replacement if I get to the elections office in time tomorrow night (they close before I'm off work today)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2016, 09:06:50 PM

Real talk- finding out someone voted for Trump is going to make me treat them like they carved a swastika into their forehead. Once you know that about someone, you can't un-know it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2016, 09:29:31 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/politics/donald-trump-rap-hip-hop-critique/

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Donald Trump on Monday mocked hip-hop music as he once again criticized the performance Jay Z and Beyonce delivered at a rally for Hillary Clinton, asking whether it was "talking or singing."

"The language is so bad and as they were singing -- singing right? Was it talking or singing? Right? But the language was so bad," Trump said Monday during his first of five rallies the day before Election Day.

Trump's apparent criticism of rap and hip-hop comes in spite of the GOP nominee's repeated attempts to appeal to African-American voters during the final months of his campaign.

Quote

Trump's criticism of hip-hop follows his repeated and awkward appeals to African-Americans that many have criticized as tone deaf and offensive as he has described the lives of African Americans in starkly bleak and broad-brushed terms.

This. Is CNN.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: nudemacusers on November 07, 2016, 09:31:51 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2016, 09:06:50 PM

Real talk- finding out someone voted for Trump is going to make me treat them like they carved a swastika into their forehead. Once you know that about someone, you can't un-know it.

Very curious to see if any walk of shames occur at work tomorrow. Everyone probably knows better than to be flagrant (hatch act says they have to), but I know some crusty old guys are gonna be grumpy as fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 07, 2016, 09:38:45 PM

NYPD: Clinton Campaign Canceled Election Night Fireworks Display
http://gothamist.com/2016/11/07/clinton_campaign_cancels_victory_fi.php

I guess shes losing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2016, 09:42:28 PM

Not with AMERICAN HERO Ana Navarro voting for her: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/07/opinions/navarro-republican-voting-for-clinton/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: agrajag on November 07, 2016, 09:46:40 PM

I wonder if I can get Ana to be my sugar momma

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: stufte on November 07, 2016, 09:58:04 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 07, 2016, 09:54:56 PM

I want to believe that the majority of people voting for Trump are people that will vote for R regardless of how they feel about Trump. Like, say Trump ran on the Trump Party ticket. How many votes do you really think he'd get? 10%?

Probably less than that. The R gives him all the party liners, which is how most people vote these days unfortunately.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: agrajag on November 07, 2016, 10:01:08 PM

I can't agree with that. I think most of his most ardent supporters don't give a fuck about the party and only vote R downballot because "fuck it I'm already here."

If you guys were right, they wouldn't turn on Paul Ryan and others en masse.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2016, 10:09:58 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 07, 2016, 04:04:57 PM

My boyfriend is voting Trump.

:snoop :drudge :picard

He's a die-hard Libertarian but is voting for Supreme Court seats, along with a near-lifelong hatred of Hillary. Also "political correctness" being the root of all of society's evil.

It's really puzzling because one of his best friends is facing deportation for being an illegal immigrant. Like he just went to court several days in a row to support him a month ago.

We don't talk politics a lot, generally (though he always loved to.) :P

Quote

Trump even read from a letter he says Belichick sent him. As Trump said:

This guy is a true champ so he writes, Coach Belichick,

“Congratulations on a tremendous campaign. You have to help with an unbelievable slanted and negative media and have come out beautifully. You have proven to be the ultimate competitor fighter. Your leadership is amazing. I have always had tremendous respect for you for the toughness and perseverance you have displayed over the past year is remarkable. Hopefully tomorrow’s election, the results will give the opportunity to make America great again.

Best wishes for great results tomorrow,

Bill Belichick.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 07, 2016, 10:12:36 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 07, 2016, 05:44:38 PM

What if you live in a solid red state, you recognize that Hilldawg is clearly clearly the better candidate but a vote for her doesn't matter here, and your local people suck on both sides so you don't want to bother voting? Does that make me alt-right?

I mean, does that make my friend alt-right?

Asking for a friend.

I live in one of the bluest of the blues but will still vote for the H. Wouldn't be the first time (I voted her for the state Senate both times as well). She's done some shady shit but so have most other politicians, her platform matches mine way more than anyone else in the running, and I really really don't want Trump to win.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 07, 2016, 10:18:50 PM

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This year’s crop of state propositions, the most appearing on a California ballot in 16 years, has attracted campaign contributions of $473 million, a record.

...

On average, more than $1.5 million has been raised every day this year to influence the outcome of propositions on the November ballot. In the last few weeks, the rate of donations has increased dramatically. On Oct. 19, ballot measure committees reported a one-day total of more than $24 million in donations.

The two most expensive measures are the ones potentially most damaging to the profits of the pharmaceutical and tobacco industries.

Pharmaceutical companies have been the force behind the campaign to defeat Proposition 61, an initiative to influence prescription drug costs. At more than $109 million, it's one of the most expensive ballot measure campaigns in California history, according to data from the National Institute on Money in State Politics.

Proposition 61 would limit state government spending on prescription drugs to the prices paid by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs. Because the VA typically negotiates the lowest prices for prescription drugs of any public or private entity, the measure’s supporters say they hope to curb rising drug costs paid by the state.

http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-ca-november-proposition-money-20161107-story.html

Hey guys why are medical costs rising?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 07, 2016, 10:25:52 PM

Quote from: mojovonio on November 07, 2016, 04:53:01 PM

What's the law in the US? Do employers have to let you leave work early or give you a few hours to go vote at any time during the day? What I'm trying to figure out is if I can start seeing results in the afternoon.

Depends on the state:

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/taking-time-off-voting-jury-29708.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2016, 10:30:53 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 07, 2016, 09:54:56 PM

I want to believe that the majority of people voting for Trump are people that will vote for R regardless of how they feel about Trump. Like, say Trump ran on the Trump Party ticket. How many votes do you really think he'd get? 10%?

Who's the R in this scenario?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 07, 2016, 10:53:03 PM

Oh, to add onto my earlier post, we'll actually "know" earlier in the night, not long after 8pm Eastern because all the states Trump basically needs to win close or will be deep into their counts by then:
(http://www.270towin.com/imgs/closing_times.png)

It doesn't matter much how you allocate the states west of the Mississippi, either like 2012, 2008 or 2004, other than on the margins. If you don't grab at least North Carolina, Ohio and Florida along with one of Michigan, Virginia and Pennsylvania, states like Nevada and Iowa probably aren't going to matter. (You have to get both Iowa and Nevada to offset losing Virginia and win 270-268.)

Losing both NC and Virginia, for example, makes it impossible even if Trump grabs Ohio, Florida, Nevada, Iowa and Colorado.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Syph on November 07, 2016, 10:59:10 PM

yea aint nobody holding their breath over cali lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 07, 2016, 11:20:33 PM

It'll be official at 11PM EST but we'll know before then.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: Yeti on November 07, 2016, 11:47:02 PM

Quote from: zomgee on November 07, 2016, 11:42:03 AM

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/509/312/a1e.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/1ao3NM3.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 07, 2016, 11:56:08 PM

Pack it up, libtards.

http://www.jookos.com/2016/10/27/facebook-analytics-reveal-clean-sweep-donald-trump-election-sweeping-42-50-states-including-new-york/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 01:59:40 AM

Someday, The Onion will figure out how to parody The New Yorker's political cartoons:
(http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/161114_a20563-1000.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 02:47:15 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2016, 04:26:55 PM

If history has any indication, they will double down and probably just have alex jones be the nominee in 2020.

(http://i.imgur.com/L6bicpp.jpg)

i have to say...he makes a compelling case

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 08, 2016, 04:58:51 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 01:59:40 AM

Someday, The Onion will figure out how to parody The New Yorker's political cartoons:
(http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/161114_a20563-1000.jpg)

They don't need to. Kelly is a national treasure you godless communist  :maf

(http://i.imgur.com/OmqZFKi.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 05:19:29 AM

I love Kelly's high wire intellectualism as much as the next guy, nothing else can make you both think and feel like a Kelly cartoon. But when's the last time he did good 'ol toilet humor and went for the easy joke?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 06:31:12 AM

That one has probably been done without any irony elsewhere :

(http://i.imgur.com/7gTBhHQ.jpg)

Love the one with the cartoonist self-inserts too  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Momo on November 08, 2016, 06:34:34 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 02:47:15 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 07, 2016, 04:26:55 PM

If history has any indication, they will double down and probably just have alex jones be the nominee in 2020.

(http://i.imgur.com/L6bicpp.jpg)

i have to say...he makes a compelling case

Wait, wtf? You dont get your buns by the dozen or half dozen? What do you get your eggs in 5s?  :heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:09:02 AM

the buns and dogs are still not the same amount!

and then (((hebrew nationals))) gives you (((SEVEN))) hot dogs!!!!!!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 07:43:05 AM

This line is long as hell and I got here pretty early around 7:20AM.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 08:09:39 AM

What you wearing, PD?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 08:40:37 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 07:43:05 AM

This line is long as hell and I got here pretty early around 7:20PM.

You've been there for 12 hours?  Holy shit!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 08:56:43 AM

AM I mean lol. Surprisingly I was only in line for an hour. Got in and was pleasantly surprised there were far more polling booths than last time. Things went smoothly but I did see one guy hold everything up because his address was from out of state, but he had recently moved here or something like that.

Voted to raise my taxes a few times, Benji.  :doge

Transit from Ann Arbor to Detroit :obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 08, 2016, 09:02:20 AM

Went to the polling place at 7am, wasn't really that busy. Got in and out in less than 20 minutes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 09:27:46 AM

Took me 45 min to get in and out, that's because the senior citizens at the front desk were taking FOREVER to flip through the registration book and it turns out there are a ton of people with last names starting with A - L, but barely any with M - Z. So many decrepit old white people too.

Voted straight Democrat aside for a  :o Libertarian  :o state senator. Stephen Ruth, aka the "Red Light Robin Hood". Suffolk County has had a plague of red light cams and this guy goes around tearing them down.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: thisismyusername on November 08, 2016, 09:55:17 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 07, 2016, 04:04:57 PM

along with a near-lifelong hatred of Hillary.

Not that hard to understand, given history.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 09:57:14 AM

Can't wait to walk into the polling place, immediately pick up my ballot and be out in 2 minutes. Being white. :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 10:02:16 AM

No line. Took me 5 minutes to throw my vote away in a 99% red state.

I was honestly expecting a dude with a gun patrolling the polling place but I forgot... this is WV. Everyone has a gun.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:04:06 AM

I think we'll know who wins by 9:50pm.


AND FUCK STATES WHO CLOSE POLLS BEFORE 9PM YOURE ALL UNDEMOCRATIC SHIT HOLES.

Should be a national fucking law. 6am-9pm MINIMUM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:05:22 AM

Quote from: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 09:27:46 AM

Voted straight Democrat aside for a  :o Libertarian  :o state senator. Stephen Ruth, aka the "Red Light Robin Hood".

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Stephen Ruth, 43, was arrested just hours after a CBS 2 report was published in which Ruth said he had damaged dozens of the cameras over the weekend.

“I cut the cable wires, making it useless,” Ruth said, according to the report. “I’ve made it dysfunctional, just like the whole red light camera program.”

At 8:36 p.m. Monday, Ruth's son posted the following on his father's Facebook page: "Hi this is Stephens son. My father was just arrested at our house by detectives after being chased by them.

:american single issue libertarians are the best :american

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:07:18 AM

Also.

Was absolutely no line for me to watch Giant Bomb drive around a faux-Finland simulator rather than even consider voting SINCE IT'S RIGGED ANYWAY.

Though it did take me an hour to watch that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2016, 10:23:08 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 08, 2016, 09:55:17 AM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 07, 2016, 04:04:57 PM

along with a near-lifelong hatred of Hillary.

Not that hard to understand, given history.

:huh

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:umad

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:38:03 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:07:18 AM

Also.

Was absolutely no line for me to watch Giant Bomb drive around a faux-Finland simulator rather than even consider voting SINCE IT'S RIGGED ANYWAY.

Though it did take me an hour to watch that.

That was a good video. :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:43:53 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/opinion/lets-not-do-this-again.html

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If I had to sum up the election of 2016 in one clause, I would say it has been a sociological revolution, a moral warning and a political summons.

Sociologically, this campaign has been an education in how societies come apart. The Trump campaign has been like a flash flood that sweeps away the topsoil and both reveals and widens the chasms, crevices and cracks below.

We are a far more divided society than we realized. The educated and less educated increasingly see the world and vote in different ways. So do men and women, blacks and whites, natives and immigrants, young and old, urban and rural.

We like to think of democracy as a battle of ideas and a process of individual deliberation, but this year demography has been destiny. The campaigns have pushed us back into our tribal bunkers. Americans now seem more clannish, and more incomprehensible to one another.

This year a legitimate social uprising has been twisted to serve destructive means. Over the past 50 years, most of us have benefited from feminism, the civil rights movement, mass immigration, the information age and the sexual revolution. But as Charles Murray points out, one class has been buffeted by each of these trends: white workers.

Quote

And that brings us to the summons. The events of 2016 represent a watershed and a call to do politics differently.

Personally I’ve always disdained talk of a third party, mostly because the structural barriers against such parties are so high, no matter how scintillatingly attractive they seem in theory. But it’s becoming clear that the need for a third party outweighs even the very real barriers.

The Republican Party will probably remain the white working-class party, favoring closed trade, closed borders and American withdrawal abroad. The Democratic Party, meanwhile, is increasingly dominated by its left/Sanders wing, which offers its own populism of the left.

There has to be a party for those who are now homeless. There has to be a party as confidently opposed to populism as populists are in favor of it.

There has to be a compassionate globalist party, one that embraces free trade while looking after those who suffer from trade; that embraces continued skilled immigration while listening to those hurt by immigration; that embraces widening ethnic diversity while understanding that diversity can weaken social trust.

There has to be a patriotic party that understands that the world benefits when America serves as the leading and energetic superpower.

There has to be a party that unapologetically emphasizes public character formation. It’s not clear that our political culture is producing individuals capable of exercising freedom wisely. But citizenship is a skill that can be nurtured — by a party that insists on basic standards of decency in its candidates; that practices politics in humble, honest ways; that strengthens trust and institutions by playing by the rules, by confirming appointees and the like.

The problems go deeper than the jobless rate and the threat of ISIS. The underlying social and moral foundations of the nation have been weakened. Today a rancid chapter ends. Tomorrow let’s start with fresh ground and a new party.

the master speaks :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 10:46:57 AM

Obviously I hope Clinton wins but I also hope her campaign manages to run up the score.

Don't necessarily think that would break the fever on the GOP side, but man I don't want them thinking Trump had the right formula if only he were a skosh more disciplined.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:53:20 AM

I think you mean if he'd stuck to his guns rather than trying to appease the media by sucking up to liberals over foreign policy, religious rights and stuff.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:54:02 AM

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Trurl on November 08, 2016, 10:56:30 AM

I'm going to sniff a bunch of markers and then vote Trump later.   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Rufus on November 08, 2016, 10:57:32 AM

Quote from: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:54:02 AM

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

They'd have to change their voting system for that, but that's apparently never going to happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 10:58:25 AM

Quote from: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:54:02 AM

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

I think the problem is more that the people are being represented fairly accurately.

It's not some structural quirk that makes it look like white people are freaking the fuck out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 10:59:37 AM

Quote from: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:54:02 AM

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

Our system is not conducive to multiple parties, sadly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2016, 11:07:19 AM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-my-campaign-will-be-a-tremendous-waste-of-time-energy-and-money-if-i-lose/

 :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Trurl on November 08, 2016, 11:09:13 AM

Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 10:58:25 AM

Quote from: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:54:02 AM

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

I think the problem is more that the people are being represented fairly accurately.

It's not some structural quirk that makes it look like white people are freaking the fuck out.

I actually think that our system for electing presidents works reasonably well.   The stupidity of our elections and the money in politics has nothing to do with the electoral college.  It's all of the other elections and our political culture generally that is broken.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 11:18:46 AM

lmao at this ad (I voted for Anna)

(https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/15032891_10209953976597372_6296180462089010052_n.jpg?oh=867e8b222dbd0654112ff11f1dfde8ba&oe=588F1D78)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:33:23 AM

(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/a486b2b187cafce0537729646d4df3afa8a90f399df2fc5befc0f0a3c51f5d3a.jpg)
(https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/429508786088b6b94e9b129f939ffee0b99ce19cec916982b37437d67525f1cd.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 11:37:05 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 08, 2016, 11:07:19 AM

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/trump-my-campaign-will-be-a-tremendous-waste-of-time-energy-and-money-if-i-lose/

 :neogaf

Trump: If You Were Running for President, He'd Vote for You!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 11:42:55 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:43:53 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/08/opinion/lets-not-do-this-again.html

In other words I don't like that the racist fascist party I've always supported is now exposed as a racist fascist party. I love all these "intellectual" republicans who act as if trump has co-opted their party instead of just being the true face of their party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:45:14 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 10:59:37 AM

Quote from: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:54:02 AM

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

Our system is not conducive to multiple parties, sadly.

Grade A bullshit.

All of latin america has the same system and yet they are filled with parties.

Brazil has like 30 valid parties. And they are a federal system with "first past the line" voting.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 08, 2016, 11:49:11 AM

I did my part and voted for _______.  Hopefully _______ pulls out the victory because _______ would be a total disaster for the country. 

All you non-voters out there, just remember that you're helping _______ and a non-vote is basically the same thing as voting for an evil, lying candidate like _______. So shame on all you lazy, apathetic people out there who are really no better than _______ supporters.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I voted Hillary but it didn't feel particularly good  :doge

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 11:49:36 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies_(Brazil) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies_(Brazil))

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The Chamber of Deputies (Portuguese: Câmara dos Deputados) is a federal legislative body and the lower house of the National Congress of Brazil. The chamber comprises 513 deputies, who are elected by proportional representation to serve four-year terms.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 12:11:13 PM

 >The events of 2016 represent a watershed and a call to do politics differently.

I feel like I've seen this phrase spouted 6-7 different times in my lifetime. Every election that sees a change is 'one that changes everything' and every next election is 'one that promises to change everything'.

It's this 'prisoner of the moment' mentality that I used to only notice in sports talk radio. People want to feel like they are living in remarkable times, so whatever was the last thing or the next thing they see is the most amazing thing ever.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 12:13:22 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 11:49:36 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamber_of_Deputies_(Brazil)

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The Chamber of Deputies (Portuguese: Câmara dos Deputados) is a federal legislative body and the lower house of the National Congress of Brazil. The chamber comprises 513 deputies, who are elected by proportional representation to serve four-year terms.

Thats the House.

The president and senate get elected the same way as the US

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Currently, the Senate comprises 81 seats. Three Senators from each of the 26 states and three Senators from the Federal District are elected on a majority basis to serve eight-year terms

Political groups
   

Government (63)

    Government Support Bloc (63)

             PMDB (19)
             PSDB (11)
             PSB (7)
             PP (6)
             DEM (4)
             PSD (4)
             PR (4)
             PTB (3)
             PSC (2)
             PRB (1)
             PPS (1)
             PV (1)
             PTC (1)

Minority (18)

    Opposition Bloc (12)

             PT (10)
             PCdoB (1)

    Independent Bloc (6)

             PDT (3)
             REDE (1)
             Independents (2)


Stop drinking thw two-party kool-aid. it makes you fat.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 12:18:28 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 12:11:13 PM

>The events of 2016 represent a watershed and a call to do politics differently.

I feel like I've seen this phrase spouted 6-7 different times in my lifetime. Every election that sees a change is 'one that changes everything' and every next election is 'one that promises to change everything'.

It's this 'prisoner of the moment' mentality that I used to only notice in sports talk radio. People want to feel like they are living in remarkable times, so whatever was the last thing or the next thing they see is the most amazing thing ever.

There is always a part of me that is with you TA. (TA is the conservative version of me)

But I do think Trump is a bit different as a candidate. I truly wouldn't have expected something like him to represent the republican party. As much disdain as I have for Republicans, he is a whole different kettle of fish than the republican nominees have been in my lifetime. Although ultimately I agree America won't see a viable third party anytime soon. The country is too evenly divided. And the powers that be have too much power invested in the current system.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 12:22:29 PM

Presidential races have a second round runoff between the top two finishers, and even in the first round you see a very small number of dominant candidates backed by multiparty coalitions.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 12:23:25 PM

Is Trump any different a candidate than Pat Buchanan in 1992? Pat had a much steeper hill to climb, yet almost upset a sitting President. Despite having little/no governing experience of his own and no billion dollar bankroll to fall back on.

 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 12:25:48 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 12:23:25 PM

almost upset a sitting President

Which 90's did you live through?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 12:26:44 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 12:23:25 PM

Is Trump any different a candidate than Pat Buchanan in 1992? Pat had a much steeper hill to climb, yet almost upset a sitting President with little/no governing experience of his own and no billion dollar bankroll to fall back on.

I was going to mention Buchanan myself and yes I think that's the closest we have come to such a thing although I don't really think he was ever going to win. But I think the end result and pariah that Buchanan became is the difference. Trump is not going to be a pariah. And how easily he won against so many establishment candidates is what breaks it to me. But I hear ya.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 12:39:57 PM

Quote from: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 12:26:44 PM

But I think the end result and pariah that Buchanan became is the difference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2olwuAy3_og

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 12:45:17 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 12:13:22 PM

Government (63)
    Government Support Bloc (63)
             PMDB (19)
             PSDB (11)
             PSB (7)
             PP (6)
             DEM (4)
             PSD (4)
             PR (4)
             PTB (3)
             PSC (2)
             PRB (1)
             PPS (1)
             PV (1)
             PTC (1)

Minority (18)
    Opposition Bloc (12)
             PT (10)
             PCdoB (1)

    Independent Bloc (6)
             PDT (3)
             REDE (1)
             Independents (2)

Stop drinking thw two-party kool-aid. it makes you fat.

Coalitions aren't parties. The Brazilian Senate still has seventeen parties. Some of those move in and out of opposition. Four of the five biggest parties in the "Government Support Bloc" were on opposite sides of the prior election because two of them were allied with the Worker's Party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 12:56:06 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 12:45:17 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 12:13:22 PM

Government (63)
    Government Support Bloc (63)
             PMDB (19)
             PSDB (11)
             PSB (7)
             PP (6)
             DEM (4)
             PSD (4)
             PR (4)
             PTB (3)
             PSC (2)
             PRB (1)
             PPS (1)
             PV (1)
             PTC (1)

Minority (18)
    Opposition Bloc (12)
             PT (10)
             PCdoB (1)

    Independent Bloc (6)
             PDT (3)
             REDE (1)
             Independents (2)

Stop drinking thw two-party kool-aid. it makes you fat.

Coalitions aren't parties. The Brazilian Senate still has seventeen parties. Some of those move in and out of opposition. Four of the five biggest parties in the "Government Support Bloc" were on opposite sides of the prior election because two of them were allied with the Worker's Party.

Right, even though the senate voting works the same way, people have dozens of parties to choose from.

"our current system does not allow for 3rd parties because if first past the line" is the biggest pile of horse shit fed to the american people of all time.

It is american exceptionalism at the highest degree.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2016, 12:59:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/EZFdvAz.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 01:06:35 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 12:56:06 PM

Right, even though the senate voting works the same way, people have dozens of parties to choose from.

But that's probably related to the House being PR and the two-round presidential election.

Hell, in France, a Le Pen leaner can vote for her in the first round because they know she'll get crushed in the second anyway. They don't have to "compromise" for a more mainstream candidate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 01:09:20 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 11:45:14 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 10:59:37 AM

Quote from: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:54:02 AM

I hope you guys get more viable parties in our lifetime, ones that represent your various social groups better.

Our system is not conducive to multiple parties, sadly.

Grade A bullshit.

All of latin america has the same system and yet they are filled with parties.

Brazil has like 30 valid parties. And they are a federal system with "first past the line" voting.

Electoral college, dude.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 01:12:13 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 12:23:25 PM

Is Trump any different a candidate than Pat Buchanan in 1992? Pat had a much steeper hill to climb, yet almost upset a sitting President. Despite having little/no governing experience of his own and no billion dollar bankroll to fall back on.

What's up with Ohio Bore and memory loss. First BrandNew forgets not to drink and drive, then AiA forgets...well, everything. Now ToxicAdam forgets that Pat Buchanan didn't win one state during the 92 GOP primaries. 

ForgetLand  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 01:15:12 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 01:00:13 PM

A saudi dude who can barely speak english just told me that the election is rigged for Hillary.

Fucking end already, long ass election.

Hillary was not exactly popular abroad before Trump to begin with.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2016, 01:49:27 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzCW30RnwuY

Tearing up brehs :'(

I'm such a sap lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 01:51:41 PM

11PM ET will be the first chance for an official election call.  If Hilary takes Flordia we will know she won at like 7pm. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 01:52:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html

It begins... :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 01:53:30 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 08, 2016, 01:47:58 PM

Quote from: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 01:15:12 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 01:00:13 PM

A saudi dude who can barely speak english just told me that the election is rigged for Hillary.

Fucking end already, long ass election.

Hillary was not exactly popular abroad before Trump to begin with.

True although anytime a saudi sees a woman in control of anything they get shook.

Probably has also to do with Trump rethoric being more in line with extremist propaganda over the years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Brehvolution on November 08, 2016, 02:15:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 01:52:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html

It begins... :rejoice

Allowing people to vote is rigging the election.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 02:16:59 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 08, 2016, 02:15:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 01:52:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html

It begins... :rejoice

Allowing people to vote is rigging the election.  :doge

Only """"certain people"""""

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 02:20:34 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 08, 2016, 01:51:41 PM

11PM ET will be the first chance for an official election call.  If Hilary takes Flordia we will know she won at like 7pm.

1996 was called at 9pm


A WILD CARD EMERGES
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5603/30229378973_600c75f6b7_c.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 08, 2016, 02:52:17 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 08, 2016, 12:59:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/EZFdvAz.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/aQGYFi1.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 02:58:45 PM

What have I missed so far today other than PD throwing shade at me

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 03:10:05 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 08, 2016, 02:58:45 PM

What have I missed so far today other than PD throwing shade at me

itsfuckingnothing.gif

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

Basically we won't find out anything till later, and from the looks of it everybody's expecting Hillary to win.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 03:27:51 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 02:20:34 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 08, 2016, 01:51:41 PM

11PM ET will be the first chance for an official election call.  If Hilary takes Flordia we will know she won at like 7pm.

1996 was called at 9pm


A WILD CARD EMERGES
(https://c6.staticflickr.com/6/5603/30229378973_600c75f6b7_c.jpg)

Will members of the Miami Sound Machine be part of her cabinet?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 03:42:33 PM

We'll know beforehand because we're smart  :doge but it'll officially be over at 11EST.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: stufte on November 08, 2016, 03:47:04 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 03:42:20 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

Basically we won't find out anything till later, and from the looks of it everybody's expecting Hillary to win.

I hope everybody can stop talking about or mentioning Trump in fucking everything after the official announcement.

Please? :tocry

That, and can we all just... get along?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 04:19:21 PM

W. and Laura Bush might have voted for Clinton, or so Limbaugh said.
The comments section on Breitbart is pretty insane : 15k with the counter literally rising by the second as I watched it. :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 04:27:07 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwvvnLZXAAAbsTX.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 04:27:29 PM

I havent voted yet

PANIC

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 04:45:54 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 01:52:17 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/08/politics/nevada-voting-lawsuit-donald-trump/index.html

It begins... :rejoice

duhnied

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/11/08/donald-trump-lawsuit-nevada-voting-sot.klas

(http://i.imgur.com/hVOC3uT.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 04:58:47 PM

RIGGED!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 05:03:23 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ekpEoLB.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 05:34:18 PM

Official word is that W.Bush and his wife did not vote for Clinton (Limbaugh inaccurate, you don't say !) but left their presidential ballot line blank.

Quote from: Mandark on November 08, 2016, 04:27:07 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwvvnLZXAAAbsTX.jpg)

We already lost Gandolfini, haven't the Sopranos cast suffered enough already ?  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 05:44:23 PM

Breaking news directly from Trump's Website!

https://goo.gl/EETxbH

Edit: Ah, shit they fixed it. :(

You could put any message you wanted on Trump's website and it would show up in the main page:

(http://www.slate.com/content/dam/slate/uploads/2016/11/8/bad_at_internet.png.CROP.promovar-mediumlarge.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 05:49:42 PM

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/304838-ex-apprentice-player-wont-release-potentially-damaging

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A former contestant on Donald Trump’s reality television competition says he has “potentially damaging” audio of the billionaire from his time on the show, according to a new report.

Brian McDowell, a contestant on the third season of “The Apprentice” in 2005, will not release the tape because, he said, he hopes Trump wins the presidency, Business Insider reported Monday.

McDowell declined to provide the outlet with his recording of Trump, who is now the Republican presidential nominee. McDowell told the news publication he refused similar overtures from People magazine and The New York Times.

An independent source confirmed the existence of the audio footage to Business Insider and McDowell’s analysis of its possible impact on Trump.

McDowell, the second candidate fired from “The Apprentice” during his season, told the outlet he is no longer under a nondisclosure agreement from his time on the series.

The reality television participant added he is aware a pro-Hillary Clinton super PAC is offering $5 million to help pay for legal fees stemming from possible violations of such an agreement.

“[The election] is bigger than Trump and $5 million,” he said of a “leak fee” first pitched last month by American Bridge and its founder, longtime Clinton ally David Brock.

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 05:52:46 PM

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/441921/obama-about-retire-and-leave-democrats-old-white-and-out-ideas

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Last Night Was the High-Point of the Democratic Party’s Cool
by CHARLES C. W. COOKE   November 8, 2016 12:45 PM @CHARLESCWCOOKE

Barack Obama, Jon Bon Jovi, and Bruce Springsteen held a rally in Philadelphia last night. At the end, Hillary Clinton showed up and ruined the vibe. As pretty much everybody noted when the images started swimming through Twitter, it looked pretty cool:

(http://c2.nrostatic.com/sites/default/files/la-na-pol-clintons-obamas-rally-20161107.jpg)

Neat, huh? But, watching it this morning, a thought occurred to me: This might be the last period for a while during which the Democratic party is cool.

Quote

The Republicans, by contrast, are younger, more diverse, and come from a broader collection of states. The GOP is never going to be cool — a certain squareness is in the nature of conservatism — and, if the party continues as it has this year, it is never going to be taken seriously, either. But if it does decide to change, it seems well-set to do so nevertheless. Who are its leaders? The Senate Majority Leader is 74, so we can put him in the same camp as Warren, Sanders, Clinton, and co. But Paul Ryan, the Speaker of the House, is 46. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, the runners up in this year’s primaries, are both 45. And, going forward, the GOP has a strong range of younger guns just waiting to take the reins. Among them are: Cory Gardner (42), Tim Scott (51), Nikki Haley (44), Susanna Martinez (57), Tom Cotton (39), Dan Sullivan (51), Ben Sasse (44), Joni Ernst (46), Rand Paul (53), Scott Walker (49), Brian Sandoval (53) — and, for now, Kelly Ayotte (48). The oldest governor in the country is a California Democrat; the youngest is a Southern Republican. The oldest senator in the country is a California Democrat; the youngest is a Southern Republican. All is not as it seems in paradise.

wait...the guy writing this is 32?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: T-Short on November 08, 2016, 06:02:29 PM

there there america, it'll all be over soon

(http://www.capitaltrachea.se/misc/obamaff.jpeg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 06:04:26 PM

(http://static.infowars.com/politicalsidebarimage/your-choice_large.jpg)

 :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 06:07:53 PM

The future is in the Teen Titans headquarters apparently.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Rufus on November 08, 2016, 06:08:32 PM

Oh, he's serious? :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 06:09:33 PM

Well volcano skull island over there looks pretty metal, so...

-or-

Bananas: the fruit of evil

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 06:14:49 PM

Some bananas grow upside down, too. Choose wisely of your bananas on the DaRk SiDE.

Also please pick up my shoe.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 06:18:20 PM

Quote from: Rufus on November 08, 2016, 06:08:32 PM

Oh, he's serious? :doge

(http://i.imgur.com/ZsJQEF6.jpg)

Pretty apt analogy actually : Wasn't Samson a dense humorless & horny douchehead bully who killed himself when he brought down the Dagon temple ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Tasty on November 08, 2016, 06:20:52 PM

Also all his power was in his unusual hair.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 06:31:54 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV5iMF4Wz6w

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 06:32:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUazZdEbhF4

 :rofl

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 06:50:18 PM

1 dead, multiple people shot near polling station; active shooter heavily armed, officials said (http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-azusa-shooting-injuries-20161108-story.html)

You always think this shit is going to happen.

Quote

Willison declined to provide the location of the shooting for the safety of the officers and the victims, he said.

Azusa police urged residents to stay out of the area and asked all residents to shelter in place.

We're not going to tell you *where* it is, but stay away.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 06:53:39 PM

Quote from: Iron Sheik

GOD BLESS AMERICA AND GO FUCK YOURSELF

Quote from: Iron Sheik

GET OUT AND VOTE OR I SUPLEX YOU AND BREAK YOUR NECK JABRONI

:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 07:03:36 PM

TRUMPS WINNING BURN IT DOWN FREAK OUT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 07:20:06 PM

Florida turned from leaning R to leaning D on the Guardian map over my refresh (early polls).
Turned red again (along with Virginia).

RIGGED.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:20:18 PM

FUCKING KENTUCKY, THEY'RE GOING TO RUIN THIS

LEADS IN FLORIDA AND VIRGINIA I LOVE AMERICA AGAIN

WHAT THE FUCK GEORGIA?!? WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!? FUCK THIS NATION

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:22:23 PM

VIRGINIA AND FLORIDA JUST FLIPPED TO RED, GOING TO KILL MYSELF OMG, CAN'T TAKE THIS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:23:38 PM

Quote

Heads up: We think it’s still too early to trust the forecast numbers. Let’s wait until more votes have been counted.

DON'T TELL ME WHAT TO DO NEW YORK SLIMES

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 07:25:48 PM

Dumb question : Over here, polling stations in big cities generally tend to close later than countryside. Is it the case in the US too ? If so, do it skew early results ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:30:54 PM

They close at roughly the same time (depends on how many people still in line), but it takes longer to process the votes because there's so many more of them. They often do come in after much of the rest of the state.

That's why in 2004 they refused to concede Ohio because the outstanding votes were in the Cleveland area and if Kerry won 150% of them he'd win the state.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 07:32:55 PM

That's what I expected yeah. Early projections are gonna be leaning rural and probably Republican then for most states, I suppose... ?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 07:34:16 PM

Fuck Virgina looks like it will be Trump and Flordia is close

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:34:51 PM

Lots of GOP-leaning states close earlier too:
(http://www.270towin.com/imgs/closing_times.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:36:53 PM

i don't think gary's going to hit 5% nationally, my bad, i didn't vote in any of the states

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 07:39:10 PM

How the fuck is it legal to close polls at 6pm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 08, 2016, 07:40:48 PM

On a scale of 9-10, 9 being complete freak out and 10 being FUCK THIS WHERE IS MY PASSPORT I'M MOVING TO CANADA, how should I be feeling right now?

I want to say a 9.7 but I want to be reasonable. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 07:42:01 PM

southeastern kentucky sure does love them some trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9p534Q5hhw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 07:48:55 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 06:18:20 PM

Quote from: Rufus on November 08, 2016, 06:08:32 PM

Oh, he's serious? :doge

(http://i.imgur.com/ZsJQEF6.jpg)

Pretty apt analogy actually : Wasn't Samson a dense humorless & horny douchehead bully who killed himself when he brought down the Dagon temple ?

Little Hands Samson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 07:50:59 PM

This election has given me hemorrhoids

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Nola on November 08, 2016, 07:51:36 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 07:39:10 PM

How the fuck is it legal to close polls at 6pm

 :ohyou ........... :letsfukk

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I honestly have no idea if it is a partisan thing.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 07:53:59 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 06:04:26 PM

(http://static.infowars.com/politicalsidebarimage/your-choice_large.jpg)

 :dead

Banana Republic? What does the cartoonist have against preppy mall clothing retailers?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 08:12:34 PM

TEXAS LEANING BLUE RACE OVER FOR TRUMP

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:17:38 PM

with no votes reported, illinois called for hillary

RIGGED

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:19:13 PM

:drudge CLINTON WINS WASHINGTON D.C. :drudge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: brawndolicious on November 08, 2016, 08:21:23 PM

Florida is pretty dang close........  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:21:31 PM

trump ahead in florida by 28 votes

GAME OVER

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 08:21:53 PM

God it's going to be such a shit show if the Dems can't get the senate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: helios on November 08, 2016, 08:24:04 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/KDh6wSR.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:24:15 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 08:20:55 PM

Texas won't go to Hillary. Although I'd love it if the closest thing to my home state goes blue for the first time in history(?)

Bill lost Texas by 5 points ('96) and 2.5 points ('92), it went D in 1976, 1968, 1964, 1960, 1948 and every election before that except 1928.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 08:25:59 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 08:21:53 PM

God it's going to be such a shit show if the Dems can't get the senate

Prepare for shitshow

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 08:28:24 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 08:21:53 PM

God it's going to be such a shit show if the Dems can't get the senate

The experts at Poligaf told me ticket splitting wasnt a thing

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 08, 2016, 08:30:56 PM

goddammit florida we talked about this

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 08, 2016, 08:32:13 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwxZfbMW8AUkn36.jpg)

:betty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:32:43 PM

DEADLOCK IN MAINE

Quote

Maine Question 5 — Allow Ranked-Choice
Voting — Results: “No” and “Yes” are Tied
BY THE NEW YORK TIMES NOV. 8, 2016, 8:31 PM ET

ANSWER   VOTES   PCT.   
Yes
1   50.0%   
No
1   50.0   
<1% reporting (1 of 589 precincts)

“No” and “Yes” are tied with less than 1 percent of precincts reporting.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 08:35:02 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 08:21:53 PM

God it's going to be such a shit show when the Dems can't get the senate

Ftfm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 08:35:43 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:19:13 PM

:drudge CLINTON WINS WASHINGTON D.C. :drudge

THE ESTABLISHMENT WASHINGTON

drain the swamp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 08, 2016, 08:36:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:32:43 PM

DEADLOCK IN MAINE

Quote

Maine Question 5 — Allow Ranked-Choice
Voting — Results: “No” and “Yes” are Tied
BY THE NEW YORK TIMES NOV. 8, 2016, 8:31 PM ET

ANSWER   VOTES   PCT.   
Yes
1   50.0%   
No
1   50.0   
<1% reporting (1 of 589 precincts)

“No” and “Yes” are tied with less than 1 percent of precincts reporting.

I think my distributed systems textbook has something on this

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 08:39:35 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 08:21:31 PM

trump ahead in florida by 28 votes

GAME OVER

(http://img.pandawhale.com/post-57174-the-wire-this-is-bullshit-gif-ij4x.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 08:48:08 PM

Shit, I forgot to secure my stash of oxy before Election Day. I guess I'll just have to do some meth.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 08:50:38 PM

This shouldnt be this close.

This country is full of imbeciles

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 08:51:14 PM

NYT forecast R have 97% chance of holding the house

Hillary is the worst fucking candidate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 08:52:49 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 08:51:14 PM

NYT forecast R have 97% chance of holding the house

Hillary is the worst fucking candidate

The House was never seriously up for grabs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 08:54:06 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 08:52:49 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 08:51:14 PM

NYT forecast R have 97% chance of holding the house

Hillary is the worst fucking candidate

The House was never seriously up for grabs.

Yeah but 200-235?

And losing all the tossups?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 08:55:44 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 08:54:06 PM

Yeah but 200-235?

That would be a net gain for Democrats, if it held up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Nola on November 08, 2016, 08:57:24 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 08:25:59 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 08:21:53 PM

God it's going to be such a shit show if the Dems can't get the senate

Prepare for shitshow

I honestly am struggling to find a good play for Republican leadership or the party that won't bite them in the ass long-term if they do win the Senate?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 08:57:52 PM

gaf freaking out about florida lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 08:59:03 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 08, 2016, 08:57:52 PM

gaf freaking out about florida lol

I've got a fear boner right now, tbh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: doctavius bonbon on November 08, 2016, 08:59:48 PM

i need an oxygen mask

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:00:35 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE3r4aFevWc

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 09:04:20 PM

Is it time to start panicking yet?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Nola on November 08, 2016, 09:04:53 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 08, 2016, 08:57:52 PM

gaf freaking out about florida lol

Shit, I am too lol. 

:usacry

Though I'm more annoyed at myself right now, my entire immediate family down there didn't vote today I found out(my brother didn't even bother to register). All of which have been pretty easy to convince to get out and vote in the past, but I just didn't really try this go round.


I blame The Bore and Gaf for distracting me.... You all are responsible for Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:05:15 PM

Remember how Trump had no campaign staff?
Remember how Trump had no ads?
Remember how Trump had no ground game?
Remember how Trump didnt understand polls?
Remember how Trump ALIENATED ALL THE HISPANICS?
Remember how Trump ALIENATED ALL THE WOMEN?
Remember how Trump insulted a fucking military family?
Remember how the Republicans closed the government?


And then remember how Hillary Fucking Clinton fucked all that up and made the election a fucker squeaker?

NYT has 80% chance of R keeping the Senate.

Shes the Martha fucking Choakley of national elections

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 09:07:46 PM

stop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:07:54 PM

(https://embed.gyazo.com/7ddac32d5c1241286a0f72771ca5f555.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 09:08:10 PM

Well fuck, country might be fucked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:09:14 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 08, 2016, 09:07:46 PM

stop

Shes took a guaranteed landslide and turned it into Trump outperforming Romney

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 09:10:00 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:07:54 PM

(https://embed.gyazo.com/7ddac32d5c1241286a0f72771ca5f555.gif)

I mean she is pretty

id probably fall for her too  :itagaki

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 09:12:18 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 09:09:14 PM

Quote from: BrandNew on November 08, 2016, 09:07:46 PM

stop

Shes took a guaranteed landslide and turned it into Trump outperforming Romney

Trump's one of us, he's just saying what we're all thinking bro.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 09:13:10 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:07:54 PM

(https://embed.gyazo.com/7ddac32d5c1241286a0f72771ca5f555.gif)

Watching this live was great. That fucking hair

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 09:14:53 PM

If Trump really wins then this is some fucked up shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:16:55 PM

Great now Michigan, Virginia and North Carolina are red

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 09:18:04 PM

Going to bed.
Try to not fuck this up America. We all have enough on our plates already.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 09:18:08 PM

2020 HERE WE COME BABY
GOAT
(i need this small victory, you knew this post was coming)

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/09/us/politics/marco-rubio-florida-senate.html

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:19:18 PM

For fucks sake everyone is moving Virginia to Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:19:50 PM

i am fucking loving the prediction meters on the nyt, they're going insane, was swinging between a 20 point clinton lead and 2 point trump victory in michigan a minute ago :lol

the national one is even saying Trump wins with 268 EV sometimes because it can't figure what the fuck is happening out: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 09:19:58 PM

 :brazilcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:20:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:19:50 PM

i am fucking loving the prediction meters on the nyt, they're going insane, was swinging between a 20 point clinton lead and 2 point trump victory in michigan a minute ago :lol

the national one is even saying Trump wins with 268 EV sometimes because it can't figure what the fuck is happening out: http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/president

They have the best election website hands down

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 09:21:51 PM

Florida right now like

(http://i.imgur.com/5x4vA2U.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:22:28 PM

Oh well I had a good run.

I guess I will be deported now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Atramental on November 08, 2016, 09:22:40 PM

Ummm....

Guys. What's... what's going on? I thought we had this.  :dayum

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 09:22:51 PM

jesus christ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: bluemax on November 08, 2016, 09:23:09 PM

100k people in Florida voted for Johnson.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:23:14 PM

how is colorado reporting faster than new hampshire, when NH had a two hour head start

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 08, 2016, 09:23:48 PM

hmmm this is kind of fucked guys  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 09:24:22 PM

fucking berniebros

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Your Stalker on November 08, 2016, 09:24:59 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:22:28 PM

Oh well I had a good run.

I guess I will be deported now.

You're the good kind of diversity. You'll be alright.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 09:26:16 PM

I'm officially concerned now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:27:00 PM

My mom is on the phone and shes scared

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 09:27:02 PM

Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers.

Also agreed, this is MUCH closer than I thought it would be. Thought that by now at least one of the big swing states would have been called for Clinton  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 09:27:28 PM

HAHAHAHA
Repubs retain the House, have a decent chance for Senate
and Trump may even take Florida and Ohio

for the lols indeed

spoiler (click to show/hide)

remember i predicted a 3% clinton victory, if not closer brehs. remember my words. although Cali will swing that pop vote

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:27:49 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/wTLdNK6.png)

THE LIBERTARIAN MOMENT, THERE IT WAS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 09:27:51 PM

Run Hillary Clinton brehs  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 09:29:05 PM

Man this is not going to be a blow out

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:29:19 PM

NEW YORK TIMES HAS HER AT 50% I CANT EVEN ANYMORE I CANT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:30:12 PM

I really don't want to wake up tomorrow and see Trump and all his surrogates being all smug. Really. Do. Not.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:30:22 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/b10cHSJl.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 08, 2016, 09:30:55 PM

doomsday clock

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 09:31:16 PM

President Trump + a Republican House and Senate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 09:31:19 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:30:22 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/b10cHSJl.png)

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 09:32:02 PM

I cannot fucking fathom this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 09:32:17 PM

Oh chill out, 538 has her at 73% chance winning  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 09:32:36 PM

Does anyone know when we get results for United States Representative, SC 4th District? I'm apparently blind

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 09:33:34 PM

This is getting pretty crazy. Ohio is never wrong.

it was kind of funny to see Nate Silver on ABC saying it was 76 percent for Hillary right before close.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:34:23 PM

Here comes NH and PA.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:34:43 PM

When they stole the election from Bernie they gave us Trump.

Holy fuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:35:21 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 09:34:54 PM

Fuuuuuuuuck me if Trump actually wins, four more years of his shit :brazilcry

Hold me, Wrath. :tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 09:36:07 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 08:20:55 PM

Texas won't go to Hillary. Although I'd love it if the closest thing to my home state goes blue for the first time in history(?)

We used to blue and haven't been blue since reagan

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 09:36:31 PM

We're fucked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 09:36:57 PM

(https://imgur.com/5PQLsIf.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:37:02 PM

At what point do you sell all your stocks and buy gold?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:37:12 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/ACynuFc.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 09:38:36 PM

holy shit at Nytimes


 :dead :dead :dead :dead

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwyZVgtVEAE90Wy.jpg)

:success

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:39:20 PM

Dow is going to open down 500 tomorrow

I should hit an ATM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: archie4208 on November 08, 2016, 09:39:30 PM

The worst part of this is that AiA is gonna be smug for a long fucking time.  :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 09:39:35 PM

The fact that Trump is competing in Michigan should throw all conventional wisdom out of the window.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:39:40 PM

Quote

Craig MelvinVerified account
‏@craigmelvin
Per @kasie, @JoeManchinWV won't firmly commit to remain a Democrat should there be a 50/50 split. #Election2016 #ElectionNight

:doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 09:42:33 PM

I still think Hillary wins it but she is going into the White House like Leonardo dragging himself in the Revenant

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:42:43 PM

BREAKING:  DOW FUTURES PLUNGE 500 POINTS ON ELECTION JITTERS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 09:43:01 PM

I can't guys :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: nudemacusers on November 08, 2016, 09:44:46 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 09:42:33 PM

I still think Hillary wins it but she is going into the White House like Leonardo dragging himself in the Revenant

all considered she was a pretty weak candidate against a well seasoned noise machine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 09:44:51 PM

Welp, at least I'm still white.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:44:52 PM

The "deplorables" line came back to bite Hillary in the ass.

It was too smug and condescending. Too triumphant and arrogant.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 09:45:52 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 08:50:38 PM

This shouldnt be this close.

This country is full of imbeciles

It's full of cacs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Nola on November 08, 2016, 09:47:15 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 08, 2016, 09:39:45 PM

This day has been so stressful and then this shit happens.

 Just imagine if she ran against Rubio or Cruz.

Based on the early analysis of why this is occurring(record turnout in rural areas and normal turnout in urban areas), she probably would of faired much better against either.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 09:47:29 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:44:52 PM

The "deplorables" line came back to bite Hillary in the ass.

It was too smug and condescending. Too triumphant and arrogant.

I think Trump already has more votes than Romney/McCain at this point. Shit at this point Romney had already lost.

She can win but she has no mandate and a GOP that was meme will into a stalemate by an outsider loudmouth.

She has done less with the minority vote and engulfed by the suburb/rural white vote.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2016, 09:48:41 PM

 :badass

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 09:50:17 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwycLM5UkAADTsf.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| Biglyest Election in American History
Post by: Nola on November 08, 2016, 09:50:27 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 08, 2016, 09:45:52 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 08:50:38 PM

This shouldnt be this close.

This country is full of imbeciles

It's full of cacs.

And lots of other demographics....Who are not showing up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:50:58 PM

You guys bought gold, right?

(http://goldprice.org/charts/gold_1d_g_USD_z.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 09:50:59 PM

This is all your fault AIA. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 09:52:39 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/z3WuTTY.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 09:52:41 PM

(http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Fox-News-host-Sean-Hannity-on-Jan.-22-2014.-Fox-News-800x430.jpg)

:stahp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 09:53:52 PM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 08, 2016, 09:50:59 PM

This is all your fault AIA.

He voted republican in THIS election? :dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:54:02 PM

Glenn Beck must be regretting that heel turn right about now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 09:54:57 PM

GOP playing with house money with House already won and Senate looking to be at worst a 50/50 with Manchin crossing over.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:54:02 PM

Glenn Beck must be regretting that heel turn right about now.

Shouldn't that be "face turn?"  :doge

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 09:56:01 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/iP42wHz.gif)

 :picard

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 09:56:12 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:54:02 PM

Glenn Beck must be regretting that heel turn right about now.

Shouldn't that be "face turn?"  :doge

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided.

Bernie would have killed him. Hillary is just too damn unlikeable

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 09:56:52 PM

61% trump :brazilcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 09:56:59 PM

anyone else fully erect?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:57:19 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided. 

Makes no sense. All the polls showed Hillary ahead by a small, but comfortable and enduring, margin, and, despite narrowing in late October with the FBI email stuff, had begun to increase her lead over the last week or so. SMH, America.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 09:58:28 PM

White areas of Wayne County coming in first. Chill out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 09:58:36 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:57:19 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided. 

Makes no sense. All the polls showed Hillary ahead by a small, but comfortable and enduring, margin, and, despite narrowing in late October with the FBI email stuff, had begun to increase her lead over the last week or so. SMH, America.

The most accurate poll last election was an IBD poll. it had Trump winning by 2 points, LATIMES daily tracking was around 4 in the final poll.

 If Trump wins, so many pollsters are dead in the water.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 09:59:06 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:57:19 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided. 

Makes no sense. All the polls showed Hillary ahead by a small, but comfortable and enduring, margin, and, despite narrowing in late October with the FBI email stuff, had begun to increase her lead over the last week or so. SMH, America.

We got brexited

We were told this couldnt happen in the US

We were told Duerte wouldnt become president

We were told toblerones would be icon forever

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:59:56 PM

Also: With a very narrow Hillary win, which is looking increasingly like the best-case scenario, we can expect days, if not weeks, of Trump contesting the results in every way he can. :goty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Nola on November 08, 2016, 10:00:14 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:57:19 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided. 

Makes no sense. All the polls showed Hillary ahead by a small, but comfortable and enduring, margin, and, despite narrowing in late October with the FBI email stuff, had begun to increase her lead over the last week or so. SMH, America.

I guess it goes to show polling doesn't mean shit if your underlying assumptions are incorrect.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:01:16 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:59:56 PM

Also: With a very narrow Hillary win, which is looking increasingly like the best-case scenario, we can expect days, if not weeks, of Trump contesting the results in every way he can. :goty

No supreme court confirmation

Government shutdown

Zero legislation

Hillary fucking Clintons america

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:01:43 PM

Polling failed to take into account all the economic anxiety.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:02:15 PM

Virginia called for Clinton but by only 0.5%

Didn't need it but that is not good.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:02:53 PM

Looks like Virginia is shifting to Clinton. So...that's something, I suppose.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 10:03:16 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 08, 2016, 10:01:27 PM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223702695&postcount=10258

  :doge :doge :doge :doge :doge

Thadelous is good people. Lay off.

66% trump.
Hold me guys.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 10:03:34 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 09:59:56 PM

Also: With a very narrow Hillary win, which is looking increasingly like the best-case scenario, we can expect days, if not weeks, of Trump contesting the results in every way he can. :goty

Honestly don't really care. Don't even care about a close election. If she wins she wins. The problem is that its a 50% 50% shot at best at the moment. And that is scary as shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: bluemax on November 08, 2016, 10:03:40 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 09:56:12 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:54:02 PM

Glenn Beck must be regretting that heel turn right about now.

Shouldn't that be "face turn?"  :doge

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided.

Bernie would have killed him. Hillary is just too damn unlikeable

Bernie was a walking meme with a single talking point that he couldn't even properly describe.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 10:04:37 PM

sigh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 10:05:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:01:43 PM

Polling failed to take into account all the economic anxiety.

Why in the world would you then vote for a president with no political experience if you are anxious about the economy?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 10:05:38 PM

Gonna come to MI, NH, NV, and CO.

Shit is terrifying, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:06:44 PM

https://twitter.com/derektmead/status/796184256066293761 :lawd

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Post by: archie4208 on November 08, 2016, 10:06:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/1wS0JZS.jpg)

Which one are you at bros?

I'm personally at bargaining.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:06:47 PM

Ugh the amount of soul searching think pieces though in the coming weeks...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:08:10 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 08, 2016, 10:05:24 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:01:43 PM

Polling failed to take into account all the economic anxiety.

Why in the world would you then vote for a president with no political experience if you are anxious about the economy?

By "economic anxiety" of course I meant racism.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Nola on November 08, 2016, 10:08:53 PM

Quote from: bluemax on November 08, 2016, 10:03:40 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 09:56:12 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:54:02 PM

Glenn Beck must be regretting that heel turn right about now.

Shouldn't that be "face turn?"  :doge

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided.

Bernie would have killed him. Hillary is just too damn unlikeable

Bernie was a walking meme with a single talking point that he couldn't even properly describe.

TBH, my early hot take is that you could make the case that Bernie would of helped offset the base enthusiasm of Trump with his own and even siphon some off his white male, working class support.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 10:09:03 PM

i want this to happen just so my triumphant first post on GAF after my ban can be the ultimate gloating shitpost that gets me permed
but itll be worth it

"ode to amir0x"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:10:23 PM

Quote from: Nola on November 08, 2016, 10:08:53 PM

Quote from: bluemax on November 08, 2016, 10:03:40 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 09:56:12 PM

Quote from: bork pls on November 08, 2016, 09:55:27 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 09:54:02 PM

Glenn Beck must be regretting that heel turn right about now.

Shouldn't that be "face turn?"  :doge

But seriously, I can't believe that Trump could likely win this.   Like, this is the one election that seemed so incredibly one-sided.

Bernie would have killed him. Hillary is just too damn unlikeable

Bernie was a walking meme with a single talking point that he couldn't even properly describe.

TBH, my early hot take is that you could make the case that Bernie would of helped offset the base enthusiasm of Trump with his own and even siphon some off his white male, working class support.

yeah, Bernie jobs talk no matter how incoherent would have worked some with the white working class

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:10:43 PM

Down 11 fucking percent in Ohio

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:12:11 PM

Burr wins in North Carolina, so the GOP has the house and senate majority.. I think

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:12:30 PM

Holy shit facebook friends already blaming stein

BLAME YOUR IDIOT QUEEN

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 10:12:34 PM

MO going to Trump  :-\

Still hoping that a lot of the counties in the swing states not yet reporting are big city counties which could help give Hillary a last-minute boost.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 10:13:56 PM

How do we go from Obama to this piece of shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 10:14:17 PM

She's down with 33% reporting in Wisconsin.

She's down with 28% reporting in Michigan.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 10:15:24 PM

Only 1,000 more precincts in FL. I don't see how Hillary doesn't lose it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 10:15:32 PM

PD can you tell me more about Michigan please? Do these numbers matter? Only about 25% reporting so far

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:15:34 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 08, 2016, 10:14:17 PM

She's down with 33% reporting in Wisconsin.

She's down with 28% reporting in Michigan.

We're relying on Detroit Lions fans who voted for Rick Snyder twice, thanks PD.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 10:16:08 PM

(http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/ColonelGreen/Canada%20US_zpscf8ug068.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 10:16:08 PM

It's over. We are fucked.

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Post by: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:16:42 PM

I can't imagine what AmiroX is thinking  :lol

But seriously, President Trump...we're in for 4 years of rightwing fuckery.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 10:16:49 PM

This is disgusting.  You all disgust me. 

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:17:42 PM

Quote from: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:16:42 PM

But seriously, President Trump...we're in for 4 years of rightwing fuckery.

Probably more like two years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: headwalk on November 08, 2016, 10:18:09 PM

typical scumbag voters trying to push their horse race narrative.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:18:29 PM

Quote from: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:16:42 PM

I can't imagine what AmiroX is thinking  :lol

But seriously, President Trump...we're in for 4 years of rightwing fuckery.

(http://i.imgur.com/gihRAe5.png)

The night's still young, Ami.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 10:19:03 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwyiQMEUoAAgOxQ.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:19:13 PM

Guiliani as attorney general folks

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Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 10:19:40 PM

I think I might order a stuffed crust pizza.

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Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 10:19:45 PM

Micael Moore was right.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:19:55 PM

Its a fucking wave election every race is going R

EVERY RACE

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Post by: bluemax on November 08, 2016, 10:20:30 PM

https://twitter.com/eveewing/status/796186189757902848

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Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 10:21:16 PM

welp the world is fucked  :'(

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:22:17 PM

Ohio called for Trump

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 10:22:31 PM

I am so angry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 10:22:41 PM

Ohio is gone.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:22:59 PM

This is why I dont vote democrat folks

Incompetent fucking morons

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:23:02 PM

Probably just gonna delete all my political Google Chrome bookmarks, stay away from the politics thread on The Bore, and shut down my Facebook account after today...

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 10:23:59 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 10:17:33 PM

I'm really angry right now. Even if Hillary pulls off a win the fact that it's this close bothers me.

yep

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 10:24:35 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 10:19:42 PM

Where's Mandark to stroke my hair and tell me everything is going to be alright?

On a plane

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:24:42 PM

So, looking like this is pretty much gonna come down to Michigan and Wisconsin.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 10:25:01 PM

If Hillary loses, I can't even blame her. She ran as good a campaign as she could. It's really the fault of her party that cleared the path for her in the primary and didn't push others to contest her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| GET SCARED
Post by: Momo on November 08, 2016, 10:25:34 PM

The power of memes friends.

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Post by: Dennis on November 08, 2016, 10:26:02 PM

President Pepe.

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 10:26:04 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:18:29 PM

Quote from: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:16:42 PM

I can't imagine what AmiroX is thinking  :lol

But seriously, President Trump...we're in for 4 years of rightwing fuckery.

(http://i.imgur.com/gihRAe5.png)

The night's still young, Ami.

:point :point :point
suck it amir0x

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Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 10:26:42 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:24:42 PM

So, looking like this is pretty much gonna come down to Michigan and Wisconsin.

So we're pretty much doomed.  Heading to the fallout shelter now, see you guys later.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 10:26:49 PM

Michigan will come through. Unless you believe Hillary is beating Trump by single digits in Detroit.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:27:42 PM

GAF ded

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 08, 2016, 10:27:52 PM

We're fucked.  I can't believe this.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 10:28:41 PM

86% TRUMP?!!!

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:28:49 PM

...... :o

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/796169187882369024

Hillary under 80% in Philadelphia... Not good

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Post by: headwalk on November 08, 2016, 10:29:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 10:26:49 PM

Michigan will come through. Unless you believe Hillary is beating Trump by single digits in Detroit.

you can get 4:1 odds on hillary winning prez if you want to make some money on that prediction.

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Post by: Rman on November 08, 2016, 10:29:22 PM

Identity politics failed for Hillary.  White people just don't care and they make up most of the country.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 08, 2016, 10:29:24 PM

I did want to see this be close just to keep the Democrats on their toes going into 12 straight years of holding the Presidency but this is fucked

Feels like a Monkey Paw wish  :-\

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 08, 2016, 10:29:36 PM

California better pass marijuana legalization. I don't smoke, but I think I'm going to need it in the years to come.

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Post by: fizzel on November 08, 2016, 10:29:39 PM

Bitch is getting bodied, the Clinton's to flee the country.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 10:29:45 PM

This is the DNC's fault, just sayin

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 10:30:14 PM

Is going to be a fun recession here in Mexico. Trump is a cunt but Hillary was unlikeable and her followers could become as bad as Trump supporters. Trump is the new Ronald Reagan. Congrats. 

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2016, 10:30:52 PM

Ate some Taco Bell, going to watch some anime. See you on the other side, friends.

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Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 10:31:02 PM

Quote from: fizzel on November 08, 2016, 10:29:39 PM

Clinton's to flee the country.

I'm not ready to disagree with this possibility.

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Post by: mormapope on November 08, 2016, 10:31:22 PM

And people thought the Republican party was weak and completely battered due to Trump's rampage of saying stupid shit.
 :neogaf

We had a good 8 years of being a solid country when it comes to a lot of things, not great, not terrible, but solid. But now? We're heading back in Bush Jr. fuckery on a different level.

The United States will go back to being the most dangerous punchline in the world.

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Post by: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 10:31:40 PM

This is a bizarre fever dream. Like we are seriously going to wake up tomorrow to "President Trump." Think about it.

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 10:31:43 PM

45-42 Senate for Repubs right now

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:31:46 PM

so this is how we bring everybody back, look at everyone online! :heart

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Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 10:31:46 PM

Virginia to Hillary at least.

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Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 10:32:04 PM

wonder how much I can charge for a sponsorship

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:32:51 PM

Quote from: mormapope on November 08, 2016, 10:31:22 PM

We had a good 8 years of being a solid country when it comes to a lot of things, not great, not terrible, but solid. But now? We're heading back in Bush Jr. fuckery on a different level.

I really don't think any of us are capable of imagining how bad 4 years of Trump could be.

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 10:33:45 PM

MAKE NEOGAF GREAT AGAIN

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:33:51 PM

Trump needs one more state, Hillary needs 3 according to some forecasters
MI, PA, WI

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Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 10:33:54 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:32:51 PM

Quote from: mormapope on November 08, 2016, 10:31:22 PM

We had a good 8 years of being a solid country when it comes to a lot of things, not great, not terrible, but solid. But now? We're heading back in Bush Jr. fuckery on a different level.

I really don't think any of us are capable of imagining how bad 4 years of Trump could be.

I've seen Fury Road...

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:34:06 PM

Ok who the fuck is counting ballots in NH?

They have like 12 people and they cant reach 50% after 3 hours?

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 10:34:39 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 10:31:40 PM

This is a bizarre fever dream. Like we are seriously going to wake up tomorrow to "President Trump." Think about it.

That's not as weird as First Lady Milania for some reason.

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:35:26 PM

People laughed at me when I said Clinton was fucking Al Gore

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:36:08 PM

Hillary can win but... oh man.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 08, 2016, 10:36:12 PM

LoL

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:36:42 PM

Jesus fuck the DOW has gone down 750 points

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Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 10:37:14 PM

How in gods name is Trump doing so well with college-educated women?

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 10:37:19 PM

I'm getting a kick out of Wolf Blitzer constantly trying to keep this big board guy on track.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:37:38 PM

Playing around with the electoral map, we could have a 270-268 split if Hillary takes Iowa, Michigan, and Nevada and Trump takes New Hampshire, Wisconsin, and picks up the extra electors in Maine and Nebraska. That's...basically the best I can do for Hillary.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:37:57 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 10:35:26 PM

People laughed at me when I said Clinton was fucking Al Gore

well, that's certainly...an interesting fanfic

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 10:38:23 PM

Quote from: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 10:37:14 PM

How in gods name is Trump doing so well with college-educated women?

 My wife is one of those people. She votes the way her father does.

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Post by: headwalk on November 08, 2016, 10:38:33 PM

we get to proper live in an 80s future cyberpunk dystopia. emperor trump screaming at us from rows of green hued TV screens as we score vials of digi-drugs from the crackden arcade.

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Post by: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:38:48 PM

White rural America are angry that they are being left behind and don't know what to do, so they get suckered by right-wing sweet talk that all their ailments will disappear if only if it weren't for the minorities and liberals.

They are brainwashed to reject all outside points of viewpoint that isn't from talk radio, right-wing media, or Fox News.

I don't know how you can fix that. This country isn't going to move forward until that situation breaks, and I don't know how that can be done.

Any ideas?


Edit: NeoGAF is down

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Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 10:38:57 PM

GAF is gone

the rest of the world will soon follow  :doge

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Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 10:39:44 PM

Quote from: headwalk on November 08, 2016, 10:38:33 PM

we get to proper live in an 80s future cyberpunk dystopia. emperor trump screaming at us from rows of green hued TV screens as we score vials of digi-drugs from the crackden arcade.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOrhnWgOFGg

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 10:39:44 PM

Did Clinton take Michigan for granted? That's the state that is going to do her in.

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Post by: Rman on November 08, 2016, 10:40:31 PM

The Empire Strikes back. The Empire being White people lol.

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:40:38 PM

Quote from: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:38:48 PM

White rural America are angry that they are being left begin and don't know what to do, so they get suckered by right-wing sweet talk that all their ailments will disappear if only if it weren't for the minorities and liberals.

They are brainwashed to reject all outside points of viewpoint that isn't from talk radio, right-wing media, or Fox News.

I don't know how you can fix that. This country isn't going to move forward until that situation breaks, and I don't know how that can be done.

Any ideas?


Edit: NeoGAF is down

Unemployment doubling and the economy crashing is a good wakeup.

For about 6 months

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 10:41:07 PM

Quote from: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:38:48 PM

White rural America are angry that they are being left begin and don't know what to do, so they get suckered by right-wing sweet talk that all their ailments will disappear if only if it weren't for the minorities and liberals.

They are brainwashed to reject all outside points of viewpoint that isn't from talk radio, right-wing media, or Fox News.

I don't know how you can fix that. This country isn't going to move forward until that situation breaks, and I don't know how that can be done.

Any ideas?


Edit: NeoGAF is down

Dont treat them as shit by default would help.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:42:05 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 10:39:44 PM

Did Clinton take Michigan for granted? That's the state that is going to do her in.

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/dd/Michigan_Democratic_Presidential_Primary_Election_Results_by_County%2C_2016.svg/257px-Michigan_Democratic_Presidential_Primary_Election_Results_by_County%2C_2016.svg.png)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Democratic_primary,_2016

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:42:47 PM

Virginia just went for Hillary.

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Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 10:43:03 PM

Michigan is moving in the right direction and at a pretty reassuring pace. I'm not going to look into it much deeper than that!

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Post by: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 10:43:43 PM

Quote from: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:38:48 PM

White rural America are angry that they are being left begin and don't know what to do, so they get suckered by right-wing sweet talk that all their ailments will disappear if only if it weren't for the minorities and liberals.

They are brainwashed to reject all outside points of viewpoint that isn't from talk radio, right-wing media, or Fox News.

I don't know how you can fix that. This country isn't going to move forward until that situation breaks, and I don't know how that can be done.

Any ideas?


Edit: NeoGAF is down

That or this is their rage of the past 8 years of having a black President boiling over.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:45:01 PM

Trump within four points in PA now

And is Feingold seriously going to lose again?

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:45:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:45:01 PM

Trump within four points in PA now

And is Feingold seriously going to lose again?

HIllary is underperforming in Philly, everything else comes in for Trump.. Maybe.

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Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 10:46:50 PM

Quote from: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 10:38:57 PM

GAF is gone

:drudge

SAFE SPACE HUG-BOX UNDER ATTACK

:drudge

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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 08, 2016, 10:48:03 PM

Gonna go watch a movie. Unfortunately I've moved over to the dark side and now think Trump is gonna win. I was clinging for a long time but it looks pretty bleak at the moment. I'll check back in a few hours to see who won and make my relief post or my America is fucked posted.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:48:15 PM

THE YEAR WE TURN UTAH BLUE
   

Code: [Select]

Donald J. Trump
Republican
47,524 54.3%

Evan McMullin
Independent
18,295 20.9

Hillary Clinton
Democrat
18,290 20.9

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Post by: Sausage on November 08, 2016, 10:48:31 PM

Guys MTW was right

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Post by: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 10:49:25 PM

I hope at the very least this will be a wake up call to the Americans who "lack enthusiasm" so to speak. I'm not counting on it, but I have hope.

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Post by: Boogie on November 08, 2016, 10:50:37 PM

Bidding on my spare room starts at $800/month, folks.

edit:  and the spot on the spot on my couch at $150/month.

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 10:51:12 PM

florida still hasn't been called yet???

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Post by: VomKriege on November 08, 2016, 10:51:44 PM

Get ready for your gold plated Berlusconi.
Trump might be as resilient. Even if he loses, he proved the GOP wrong and not the other way around.

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Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 10:53:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on November 08, 2016, 10:50:37 PM

Bidding on my spare room starts at $800/month, folks.

edit:  and the spot on the spot on my couch at $150/month.

How much for the spot in your bed?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:53:11 PM

Quote from: Syph on November 08, 2016, 10:51:12 PM

florida still hasn't been called yet???

Just got called for Trump.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 10:53:24 PM

the Louisiana Senate race right now would result in a run-off between Republicans

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Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 10:53:57 PM

thank goodness people voted for gary fucking johnson

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:54:36 PM

Looking like the election that was going to be a referendum on the GOP is actually going to be a referendum of Democrats. THANKS SHYAMALAN

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 10:55:18 PM

Couple of forecasters thinking Michigan going Trump

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Post by: Boogie on November 08, 2016, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 10:53:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on November 08, 2016, 10:50:37 PM

Bidding on my spare room starts at $800/month, folks.

edit:  and the spot on the spot on my couch at $150/month.

How much for the spot in your bed?

That one's not for sale, you already have it reserved.  :-*

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:56:39 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 10:55:18 PM

Couple of forecasters thinking Michigan going Trump

Detroit Free Press called Michigan for Hillary, though they're the only outfit to make any kind of call.

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 10:57:15 PM

The people of Wisconsin are doubling down on Scott Walker

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Post by: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:57:22 PM

Whelp, those that argued for accelerationism for progressive ideals will soon see if their theory holds

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Post by: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 10:57:37 PM

Quote from: Boogie on November 08, 2016, 10:55:55 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 08, 2016, 10:53:05 PM

Quote from: Boogie on November 08, 2016, 10:50:37 PM

Bidding on my spare room starts at $800/month, folks.

edit:  and the spot on the spot on my couch at $150/month.

How much for the spot in your bed?

That one's not for sale, you already have it reserved.  :-*

Awwwwwwwww  :-*

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:01:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kzysBeF.png)

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:02:35 PM

Johnson wins Wisconsin
GOP Senate Majority I guess.

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:03:24 PM

47-46 Repubs wow

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Post by: curly on November 08, 2016, 11:06:19 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:01:46 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/kzysBeF.png)

Stein's vote total is less than the margin between Hillary and Trump, how does this make any sense?

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:07:23 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/CnM6aJ3.png)

HOLY SHIT

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:08:17 PM

 :-X

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Post by: Averon on November 08, 2016, 11:09:03 PM

I don't think the realization of what happened has hit me yet.

I just feel numb.

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Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 11:09:09 PM

 :snoop :snoop :snoop

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Post by: headwalk on November 08, 2016, 11:10:12 PM

leicester winning the league was the bellweather.

someone set a variable wrong.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 11:11:23 PM

Krugman is such a spineless fuck.

The story is that Hillary's base wasn't energized enough. Youth and minorities in particular. Two of their biggest key demographics,

 

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Post by: Huff on November 08, 2016, 11:11:37 PM

Imagine loosing to the Donald as a serious presidential contender.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:12:53 PM

So do you think the Walrus survives this or?

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Post by: Kara on November 08, 2016, 11:13:14 PM

I hope the laughs were worth it, everyone.

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:13:24 PM

Every single race is going R.

Every race

Its a Reagan landslide

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:15:13 PM

Quote

jon hendren @fart 3m
i could have shared john olivers eviscerations. i couldve watched snl more. i could have retweeted the lena dunham rap video. i blame myself

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 11:15:15 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 08, 2016, 11:13:14 PM

I hope the laughs were worth it, everyone.

I thought i was going to be more depressed but the black comedy ending is actually refreshing.

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:15:20 PM

and 2018... The Senate races favor the GOP by a lot. so more seats to be gained.

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:15:20 PM

I personally hold shillary gaf responsible

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:15:40 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 08, 2016, 11:13:14 PM

I hope the laughs were worth it, everyone.

sorry man

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Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 11:18:40 PM

Clinton is winning now.  Very, very close race.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 08, 2016, 11:19:21 PM

What's the turnout been like for Hillary with minorities and women? 

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:19:23 PM

Washington, the state, is fucking red right now. FUCKING WHAT

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Post by: Kara on November 08, 2016, 11:19:45 PM

Quote from: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:15:40 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 08, 2016, 11:13:14 PM

I hope the laughs were worth it, everyone.

sorry man

When I'm in a political prison your contrition will keep me warm at night.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 08, 2016, 11:20:20 PM

"Democrats losing half of union households" in exit polling

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 11:20:41 PM

Himuro was right about you devils.

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Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 11:21:37 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 11:20:41 PM

Himuro was right about you devils.

(https://thegadflyjk.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/trump-with-pc.jpg?w=960)

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:21:59 PM

exit poll has Trump winning by 4% in college educated white women which he was supposed to lose by a ton

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:22:12 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:19:23 PM

Washington, the state, is fucking red right now. FUCKING WHAT

It's always like that until King County reports.

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Post by: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 11:23:34 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 11:20:41 PM

Himuro was right about you devils.

f u i got mine

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 11:23:53 PM

I'm still confident about Michigan.

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Post by: bork on November 08, 2016, 11:23:54 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 11:22:27 PM

So it's down to Michigan?

Jesus I'm scared.

This is what it feels like to be grabbed by the pussy.

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Post by: MMaRsu on November 08, 2016, 11:24:08 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/8PeyOhj.gif)

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 08, 2016, 11:24:37 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 11:21:59 PM

exit poll has Trump winning by 4% in college educated white women which he was supposed to lose by a ton

self=dark side

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:24:39 PM

Trump now ahead in PA


holy shit.

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Post by: Akala on November 08, 2016, 11:24:52 PM

W O W  :-\

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:25:18 PM

Someone please explain why NH cant count

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 08, 2016, 11:25:23 PM

Well this is fucked. Flashing back to 2004. Best I can hope for is it gives Democrats a huge kick in the ass like it did back then.

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 08, 2016, 11:22:27 PM

So it's down to Michigan?

Jesus I'm scared.

And Nevada.

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Post by: headwalk on November 08, 2016, 11:25:39 PM

don't call me white
don't caaall me white

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 08, 2016, 11:27:31 PM

Russia played the long game. Stuck a 5th columnist in and won the Cold War without firing a single bullet.

America's post WW II plan to prevent the spread of Russian ideologies in the world. Failed. Russia plans to harness the energy of the Gipper spinning in his grave to maintain Lenin's Tomb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs

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Post by: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 11:27:44 PM

Fuck you white people

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:28:20 PM

Mica lost?

Holy shit one kernel of good

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:29:16 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 11:27:44 PM

Fuck you white people

And white people said fuck you too I'll vote for trump and it won't hurt me

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:29:55 PM

utah down

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:30:13 PM

Look on the bright side, Nevada is a lock for Hillary.

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Post by: Himu on November 08, 2016, 11:30:47 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 11:20:41 PM

Himuro was right about you devils.

:obama

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:30:59 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:30:13 PM

Look on the bright side, Nevada is a lock for Hillary.

Early vote! Early vote!

Fucking idiots

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:31:07 PM

holy shit is PA actually going to turn

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Post by: Sausage on November 08, 2016, 11:31:10 PM

Quote from: Averon on November 08, 2016, 10:57:22 PM

Whelp, those that argued for accelerationism for progressive ideals will soon see if their theory holds

It worked on the Republican side didn't it?

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:31:44 PM

GOP is gaining in governorships, I think at this point they would be glad not to deal with Trump but Hillary cause they have everything else.

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Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 11:32:04 PM

all these people talking about bernie somehow doing better   smh

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:32:30 PM

Wisconsin to trump

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Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 11:32:40 PM

It's going to come down to Wisconsin, isn't it?

Edit: Nevermind

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 11:33:27 PM

Michigan is incredibly close right now.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:33:46 PM

Did weed at least past in Nevada? If I can at least get high in Vegas

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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on November 08, 2016, 11:34:01 PM

Iowa just got called for Trump. Shit.

Even if she wins Michigan she won't cinch this without carrying Wisconsin and New Hampshire.

This is sooooooooooooooo bad.

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:34:05 PM

Iowa to Trump

He is going to win...

omg.

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Post by: Freyj on November 08, 2016, 11:34:30 PM

If Hillary takes Michigan and Nevada it's NH for the presidency?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 11:36:50 PM

Quote from: Freyj on November 08, 2016, 11:34:30 PM

If Hillary takes Michigan and Nevada it's NH for the presidency?

It could potentially come down to the extra 2 electors in Maine and Nebraska. :neogaf

Based on certain splits, Trump and Hillary could end up with 269 and the final say on the election would go to the House. :neogaf :neogaf

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:37:04 PM

This is a Brexit situation

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 08, 2016, 11:38:35 PM

All we need to do is appeal the twenty second amendment, impeach Trump and reelect Obama.

Let's get the ball rolling.

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Post by: Atramental on November 08, 2016, 11:38:58 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 11:36:50 PM

Quote from: Freyj on November 08, 2016, 11:34:30 PM

If Hillary takes Michigan and Nevada it's NH for the presidency?

It could potentially come down to the extra 2 electors in Maine and Nebraska. :neogaf

Based on certain splits, Trump and Hillary could end up with 269 and the final say on the election would go to the House. :neogaf :neogaf

:anhuld

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Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 11:39:47 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 10:56:39 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 10:55:18 PM

Couple of forecasters thinking Michigan going Trump

Detroit Free Press called Michigan for Hillary, though they're the only outfit to make any kind of call.

After causing me so much anguish at work with their damn IEP timeline dates the least MI can do for me is not fuck this up.

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:40:04 PM

The american people vote for personality, not policy.

Thats why Obama won
Thats why Trump is winning
Whys why Regan won
Thats why Arnold won

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Post by: Freyj on November 08, 2016, 11:40:19 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 11:36:50 PM

Quote from: Freyj on November 08, 2016, 11:34:30 PM

If Hillary takes Michigan and Nevada it's NH for the presidency?

It could potentially come down to the extra 2 electors in Maine and Nebraska. :neogaf

Based on certain splits, Trump and Hillary could end up with 269 and the final say on the election would go to the House. :neogaf :neogaf

Jesus fuck

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Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 08, 2016, 11:40:27 PM

I should have imported more games while the dollar was strong!

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:41:02 PM

Market crash so ironic

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Post by: Atramental on November 08, 2016, 11:41:04 PM

One of my alt-right acquaintances posted this 5 hours ago... He's big into occult magic too.

Quote

As I strutted out of the gymnasium, 'I VOTED TODAY' sticker in hand, I was greeted by a BIG BLACK CAT WITH GIANT BALLS just standing there, waiting. I put out my hand and he ran up, purring like a madman. A brisk autumn breeze kicked up and my smirk cracked into a smug grin as I pet the cat, watching the sun set. "This is the Universe where we win," I thought to myself for the millionth time. Dead leaves blew into the forest. #MAGA

At first it was funny and absurd but now...  :-\

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:41:45 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 11:40:04 PM

The american people vote for personality, not policy.

Thats why Obama won
Thats why Trump is winning
Whys why Regan won
Thats why Arnold won

It really is like fucking class president

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Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 08, 2016, 11:43:15 PM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 11:40:04 PM

The american people vote for personality, not policy.

Thats why Obama won
Thats why Trump is winning
Whys why Regan won
Thats why Arnold won

This is more accurate than it should be.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 11:44:46 PM

PD I got a plan.  You run in 2020 and we will split the Nobel prize money, k?

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Post by: Sausage on November 08, 2016, 11:44:55 PM

How do you guys think Biden or Bernie would have done

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Post by: benjipwns on November 08, 2016, 11:45:43 PM

Was I the only one not told that things were supposed to have changed at some point in that regard?

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:46:16 PM

Biden would have lost
Bernie closer but looking at the votes, still would have lost

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Post by: Sausage on November 08, 2016, 11:48:16 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 11:46:16 PM

Biden would have lost
Bernie closer but looking at the votes, still would have lost

But I don't think a guy like Biden would have lost the midwest.

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Post by: zomgee on November 08, 2016, 11:49:24 PM

Quote from: Sausage on November 08, 2016, 11:48:16 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 08, 2016, 11:46:16 PM

Biden would have lost
Bernie closer but looking at the votes, still would have lost

But I don't think a guy like Biden would have lost the midwest.

jerbs

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 11:49:34 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/796212488840904708

the last laugh

:tocry

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:50:27 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 08, 2016, 11:46:27 PM

Kanye 2020

 🙏

just bought tickets lol

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 08, 2016, 11:51:00 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 08, 2016, 11:49:34 PM

https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/796212488840904708

the last laugh

:tocry

omg, I forgot about that guy.

He will be gloating forever.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 11:51:28 PM

I'm out, guys.

See you tomorrow. If there is a tomorrow.

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:52:07 PM

"this is a vote against washington"  says the pundit

Meanwhile 99% of R establishment incumbents win

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Post by: james on November 08, 2016, 11:52:31 PM

Whoever created the LA Times poll is getting a raise

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:53:08 PM

PD hows Michigan doing? You sticking by your guns or is it gonna turn red?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 08, 2016, 11:53:15 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/canadian-immigration-site-crash-election-2016-11

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:54:55 PM

Welp, time to pay really close attention to progressive media outlets and be fucking ready to stand in protest to whatever crazy shit is about to hapoen

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 11:55:21 PM

lol america officialy more distinguished mentally-challenged then anyone thought

youre welcome to come over to the old world and flee repression  :lol

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 08, 2016, 11:56:12 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 08, 2016, 11:55:21 PM

lol america officialy more distinguished mentally-challenged then anyone thought

Ugh fuck you you're right conquer us

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Post by: The Sceneman on November 08, 2016, 11:57:19 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwLWNXFH2rg

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 08, 2016, 11:57:25 PM

Im laughing but Im actually scared

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Post by: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 11:57:43 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 08, 2016, 11:51:28 PM

I'm out, guys.

See you tomorrow. If there is a tomorrow.

We are going to survive this.

The world has survived Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Napoleon, Gengis Khan. We will survive the Cheeto Hitler as well. And those of us that nake it through the wringer will be stronger for it.

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Post by: eleuin on November 08, 2016, 11:58:26 PM

this dude is going control to nukes

omfg

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Post by: Syph on November 08, 2016, 11:59:42 PM

TRUMP WINNING 12% OF THE BLACK VOTE

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Post by: tiesto on November 08, 2016, 11:59:49 PM

I can't even fucking believe this is happening right about now.  :-\ How could we let this happen?

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:00:08 AM

(http://www.wnd.com/files/2014/03/140302putinsmile.jpg)

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Post by: MMaRsu on November 09, 2016, 12:00:26 AM

K just gonna play videogames now till I fall asleep

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Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 12:01:02 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/ggqKrtX.png)

Now fivethirtyeight is alt right.

And what an absolutely bonkers thing to say.

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:03:35 AM

Fucking Florida can count 8 million fucking votes in 3 hours

While New Hampshire cant get past 500,000

IDIOTS


Oh and remember how I said Huma had ZERO judgement as shown by weiner?

And I was mocked?

"Hey Hillary, lets completely ignore Michigan and Wisconsin, just how I ignored my husband sexting a 15 year old"

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Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 12:04:20 AM

PA may go but NH is shrinking?

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Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 12:04:24 AM

Is Hillary in the clear or can Trump try to have her charged with something?

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Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 12:04:58 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 08, 2016, 11:57:43 PM

We are going to survive this.

The world has survived Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Napoleon, Gengis Khan. We will survive the Cheeto Hitler as well. And those of us that nake it through the wringer will be stronger for it.

I know you're chomping at the bit to climb the ladder in a post-Trump world, but could you please not liken one of the earliest and most successful Jewish emancipators with literally Hitler.

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:05:15 AM

Why is no one talking about the DOW being down 780 points?

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 12:07:45 AM

Da fuck?

Quote

Craig Gilbert
‏@WisVoter
in the WI exits, Trump was viewed unfavorably by 63% of voters, but he won 21% of those voters who don't like him.

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Post by: Yulwei on November 09, 2016, 12:07:51 AM

This is over

Trump and the ever shifting right GOP now have control of all branches of government. Sorry, world. Hopefully things don't get too bad in the next 4 years!

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Post by: bork on November 09, 2016, 12:08:08 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:05:15 AM

Why is no one talking about the DOW being down 780 points?

https://memes.getyarn.io/yarn-meme/53672285-8b3e-420d-b609-0370f14d7523

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 12:09:08 AM

Pennsivania just went red

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:09:44 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2016, 12:09:08 AM

Pennsivania just went red

But poligaf said that was impossible

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:09:47 AM

my student loans are going to be so much cheaper
thank you trump
making immigrants great again  :doge

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:10:12 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:05:15 AM

Why is no one talking about the DOW being down 780 points?

Time to buy buy buy

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:11:49 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:10:12 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:05:15 AM

Why is no one talking about the DOW being down 780 points?

Time to buy buy buy

The question is when.

If it collapses tomorrow and the circuit breakers trip...

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:12:20 AM

The bugs bunny florida gif doesn't even work anymore

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:13:44 AM

Hillarys stink took down Roy Cooper.

North Carolina has elected  Pat McCrory again

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 12:13:45 AM

Agrajag your avvy is GOAT

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Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 12:14:58 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbQgvnX0hk8

Quote from: archie4208 on November 08, 2016, 09:39:30 PM

The worst part of this is that AiA is gonna be smug for a long fucking time.  :fbm

I already told ya'll, man. Never underestimate the lower-class's disenfranchisement. The same thing happened with Brexit. Lower-classes feel they aren't being listened to or cared about, so they're gonna "stick it to the (wo)man." You didn't need to be A_I_A to see this.

Also Creepy Old Guy: :umad @ "you don't know politics or ARPGs" you can now promptly kiss my dick if Trump seals it.

(For the record, I hope he doesn't. But I will not be surprised if he does.)

Himu: Despite your stance, I hope you and the others of the Bore read this book (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/27161156-hillbilly-elegy) to understand why Trump has gotten as far as he has.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 12:15:31 AM

Quote

jon hendren @fart 28m
does this mean Billy Bush gets his job back

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 12:16:04 AM

OK State Question 779 to raise sales tax to give teachers a raise went down in flames, big surprise. Who needs education when you've got dank memes and racial resentment?

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:17:27 AM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 09, 2016, 12:04:22 AM

We're on page 666 atm brehs, just as unholy as the last NeoGAF thread.

 Burn it down.

Time for some good ol SPIRIT COOKING

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:18:12 AM

Ah shit I forgot I had $300 on Hillary on predict it

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Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 12:18:43 AM

Is MI still a possibility for Clinton? Looks increasingly unlikely.

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:19:44 AM

Quote from: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 12:18:43 AM

Is MI still a possibility for Clinton? Looks increasingly unlikely.

Shes literally lost every toss up

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:20:15 AM

I have family members who are all spooked up about spirit cooking, but when I bring up Russia's interests in influencing the US election's, they're all like "now who's the looney tunes conspiracy theorist"  :lol

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:21:17 AM

If Hillary wins the popular vote, we can riot right?

Please?

Im sick and tired of democrats sitting down and taking every fucking loss.

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:21:55 AM

Repubs win the House officially

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:23:06 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqdDjNAyPdA

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:23:18 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:21:17 AM

If Hillary wins the popular vote, we can riot right?

Please?

Im sick and tired of democrats sitting down and taking every fucking loss.

She's down in the popular vote as well.

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Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 12:23:45 AM

Now MI closing and PA looks bad with that 0% reporting historically red county.

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:24:06 AM

In nearly every swing state, no candidate is getting >50%. Just jesus fucking christ the people in those states who didn't turn out can just shut the fuck up forever.

Also proves we need to get rid of the whole EC thing.

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:24:27 AM

Phoenix Dark, I think it's time you finally apologized to Bill Mitchell...

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Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 09, 2016, 12:24:54 AM

I love you all and hope you all will be ok

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Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 09, 2016, 12:25:00 AM

How

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Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 12:26:01 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:21:17 AM

If Hillary wins the popular vote, we can riot right?

Please?

Im sick and tired of democrats sitting down and taking every fucking loss.

They don't sit down and take it, they work together with Republicans in the spirit of bipartisanship to kill something like one million Muslims at this point, turn America into a high tech surveillance state, and transform public education into a standardized test industry.

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Post by: Atramental on November 09, 2016, 12:26:07 AM

People hate Trump but they must hate Hillary even more...

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Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:28:32 AM

Ugh.

We live in interesting times.

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Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 12:29:08 AM

NH went blue, 82%

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:29:23 AM

New Hampshire has Hillary ahead by a few hundred with 82% reporting.

Quote from: Pallando on November 09, 2016, 12:26:07 AM

People hate Trump but they must hate Hillary even more...

I doubt that. A bunch of swing state liberals stayed the fuck home or voted for some stupid ass third-party.

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:29:32 AM

So, uh.

What happens next? Has the reality set in for everyone? What's going to happen in the next 100 days, the next 4 years? Is Trump going to attempt to actually do all the things he promised/threatened to do? Is he going to repeal ACA, create deportation forces, build a flush wall on the Mexican border? Is he going to try to try to put Hillary Clinton behind bars? And more importantly, is half of America going to stand for it?

Are you guys going to watch his victory speech? I cannot stomach it, he is insufferable. Just going to have this last beer and go to bed, I have a big day at work tomorrow.

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Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:29:51 AM

Hey, on the plus side, maybe wikileaks will start posting Republican dirt now that they're the "establishment".  :-\

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 12:31:06 AM

Quote from: Yulwei on November 09, 2016, 12:07:51 AM

This is over

Trump and the ever shifting right GOP now have control of all branches of government. Sorry, world. Hopefully things don't get too bad in the next 4 years!

China's already said that electing Trump is "what happens if people have democracies". (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/president-donald-trump-democracies-chinese-state-media-xinhua-news-agency-a7406141.html)

Wonder how long it will take America to realize that Russia and China won the election.

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 12:31:37 AM

http://khn.org/morning-breakout/colorado-rejects-single-payer-health-insurance-measure/

Colorado Rejects Single-Payer Measure, Approves Right-To-Die Initiative

 :dunno

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:31:40 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:29:51 AM

Hey, on the plus side, maybe wikileaks will start posting Republican dirt now that they're the "establishment".  :-\

Only if the useful idiot in office gets out of line.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 12:31:51 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:24:06 AM

In nearly every swing state, no candidate is getting >50%. Just jesus fucking christ the people in those states who didn't turn out can just shut the fuck up forever.

Also proves we need to get rid of the whole EC thing.

I didn't turn out in Michigan. :teehee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 12:32:41 AM

Tip of the hat to AiA and MTW. Y'all we're right. America really fucking hates Hillary Clinton.

The good news is that Trump is so much more incompetent and stupid than even Bush that it probably won't even be six years until stupid white people are ready to elect Democrats again. Progress!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:33:17 AM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 09:41:27 PM

Another example of Hillary's horrible judgement

Worst VP pick since Palin.

This woman tries to fail at everything.

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:17:25 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 10:15:47 PM

:derp

Im sorry the democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again and again and again - bothers me

See also: Rubio leading

Why was I right? :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 12:33:57 AM

This means I can't get married anymore does it? :fbm they're going to turn over marriage equality

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:33:59 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:23:18 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:21:17 AM

If Hillary wins the popular vote, we can riot right?

Please?

Im sick and tired of democrats sitting down and taking every fucking loss.

She's down in the popular vote as well.

Not after California finishes counting

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:34:12 AM

Probably the shock talking but I'm going to Bass Pro to buy a gun tomorrow.

For self defense.  :doge

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Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 12:34:43 AM

Just tuned into TYT for salt purposes, I shouldn't have, such garbage. Why did I ever like watching this channel  :stahp

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:34:58 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:33:17 AM

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 09:41:27 PM

Another example of Hillary's horrible judgement

Worst VP pick since Palin.

This woman tries to fail at everything.

Quote from: james on October 04, 2016, 10:17:25 PM

Quote from: agrajag on October 04, 2016, 10:15:47 PM

:derp

Im sorry the democrats snatching defeat from the jaws of victory - again and again and again - bothers me

See also: Rubio leading

Why was I right? :(

 :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 12:35:04 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 12:33:57 AM

This means I can't get married anymore does it? :fbm they're going to turn over marriage equality

Nah, you're fine.

(http://i.imgur.com/Qjj6Sw0.png)

See? Everything is fine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 12:35:52 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:29:32 AM

So, uh.

What happens next? Has the reality set in for everyone? What's going to happen in the next 100 days, the next 4 years? Is Trump going to attempt to actually do all the things he promised/threatened to do? Is he going to repeal ACA, create deportation forces, build a flush wall on the Mexican border? Is he going to try to try to put Hillary Clinton behind bars? And more importantly, is half of America going to stand for it?

Are you guys going to watch his victory speech? I cannot stomach it, he is insufferable. Just going to have this last beer and go to bed, I have a big day at work tomorrow.

Reality is also going to hit him when he is in office, GOP is going to love him for years to come until they realize that his politics are not exactly Reagan, but that will take time as you lost everything else to they even notice.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Shaka Khan on November 09, 2016, 12:36:02 AM

I'm fucking inconsolable right now. This country can elect whoever the it wants. All I'm asking is that I get to continue to see my family without barriers and love/marry whomever I want.

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Jesus fucking Christ millennials. Get fucked.

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 12:36:21 AM

you thought the Alt-Right was bad before... This is now release the hellhounds on all those who oppose Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:36:23 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

A huge fucking useless wall and hostility to immigrants. Particularly brown ones.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 12:37:04 AM

Quote from: Shaka Khan on November 09, 2016, 12:36:02 AM

I'm fucking inconsolable right now. This country can elect whoever the it wants. All I'm asking is that I get to continue to see my family without barriers and love/marry whomever I want.

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Jesus fucking Christ millennials. Get fucked.

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What was the millennial vote %?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:37:30 AM

If the dems allow Trump to appoint a supreme court person in the name of "working together" I will be absolutely done.

Fillibuster for 4 years. Period. Time for some medicine.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:37:52 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

So Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie in cabinet positions? Who else?

And where does HRC go from here? She doesn't hold any kind of political office. Is she finished as a major player?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:38:32 AM

Mulling over some random thoughts in my head, it'll be pretty hilarious that it will be Democrats being the "state's rights" party for the foreseeable future.

First step, have South Florida secede from the rest of Florida.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 12:39:29 AM

With the caveat that not all these states are 100% in. Excepting Hawai'i and California, 2012 Obama's top ten states -> 2016 Clinton.

DC: 90.9% -> 92.8%
VT: 66.6% -> 61.1%
NY: 63.4% -> 59.7%
RI: 62.7% -> 54.9%
MD: 62.0% -> 60.6%
MA: 60.7% -> 60.4%
DE: 58.6% -> 53.4%
NJ: 58.4% -> 54.8%
CT: 58.1% -> 52.1%
IL: 57.6% -> 55.6%

DC was the only one she increased the D share in.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:39:42 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:37:52 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

So Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie in cabinet positions? Who else?

And where does HRC go from here? She doesn't hold any kind of political office. Is she finished as a major player?

Knowing the democrats theyll run her again in 2018 as a senator, Martha Choakley style

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 12:39:46 AM

9% of 18-29 year olds voted 3rd party, 8% of 30-44 year olds

GOOD JON GUYZ

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 12:40:23 AM

This is done.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 12:40:27 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:37:52 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

So Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie in cabinet positions? Who else?

And where does HRC go from here? She doesn't hold any kind of political office. Is she finished as a major player?

Jail, probably. Emails!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: eleuin on November 09, 2016, 12:40:35 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

when do the conversion camps start?  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Shaka Khan on November 09, 2016, 12:40:58 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 12:37:04 AM

Quote from: Shaka Khan on November 09, 2016, 12:36:02 AM

I'm fucking inconsolable right now. This country can elect whoever the it wants. All I'm asking is that I get to continue to see my family without barriers and love/marry whomever I want.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Jesus fucking Christ millennials. Get fucked.

[close]

What was the millennial vote %?

"According to the national exit poll, 9 percent of voters ages 18 to 29 went for third parties, as did 8 percent of voters ages 30 to 44."

Forget about family and loved ones, birthright citizenship might be threatened under a Trump presidency. Fuck me.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:41:08 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:37:52 AM

And where does HRC go from here? She doesn't hold any kind of political office. Is she finished as a major player?

Hillary needs to disappear into the night, honestly. And the DNC needs to clean house immediately, and begin prepping younger members for a street brawl in 2020 [and 2018].

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:41:08 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 12:39:46 AM

9% of 18-29 year olds voted 3rd party, 8% of 30-44 year olds

GOOD JON GUYZ

what percentage of older people?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 12:42:23 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 12:39:46 AM

9% of 18-29 year olds voted 3rd party, 8% of 30-44 year olds

GOOD JON GUYZ

They are probably fine with that, specially since everyone tried to guilt trip them to vote for Trump or Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 12:42:31 AM

I should have become a black republican when I had a chance.

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:43:14 AM

What's the largest margin that somebody won the popular vote by but lost the election? I'm wondering if we're headed to a new record.

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:43:28 AM

Another question is: will the alt-right/mainstream GOD/whoever else is their party base now, will they grow complacent in the next midterm elections, like Democrats got and can Dems gain back some of the House/Senate? Or will it be an all out war from this point on and in any conceivable future?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 12:43:32 AM

Arizona going Trump it seems and cuts off Hillary from 270

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:43:28 AM

Another question is: will the alt-right/mainstream GOD/whoever else is their party base now, will they grow complacent in the next midterm elections, like Democrats got and can Dems gain back some of the House/Senate? Or will it be an all out war from this point on and in any conceivable future?

Senate in 2018 is heavily favoring GOP, Its pretty nasty for Dems.

Alt-Right is the flip side of say Gaf where they understand how to play dirty in a sense unlike the older GOP member. They won't lay off the gas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 12:44:53 AM

It does and Maine has 2 districts one oc which is going trump.  She can't win.

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Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 12:45:27 AM

PA gone right?

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:45:33 AM

On the plus side, Trump likes infrastructure right?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:45:45 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

Yes but a Republican in Congress means we lose everything we got with Obama and end up with half of what Trump promised. Plus conservative SC nominees.

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Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:46:05 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

I'm optimistic by nature, so I'm just trying to think of the best possible scenarios on how this goes. I just hope Trump doesn't nuke anyone at this point.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:47:11 AM

Uh have they suspended trading on the futures markets?

Do the deplorable realize that they just lost 5% of their retirement fund?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:47:16 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:46:05 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

I'm optimistic by nature, so I'm just trying to think of the best possible scenarios on how this goes. I just hope Trump doesn't nuke anyone at this point.

Best possible scenario is two really bad years of Trump and a GOP congress, with Congress going blue in 2018 because of how bad things are.

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Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 12:47:31 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

Mike Piss is a scumbag. The prospect of him actually being POTUS is a horrifying one.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 12:47:33 AM

Both white men and white women seems to have preferred Trump.

Kind of surprised so few white women wanted to vote for the white woman.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy0ozSXcAAGuTx.jpg)

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 12:47:42 AM

sure feels good to be in europe now

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Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 12:47:57 AM

Lose to a candidate who literally never explained his policies brehettes  :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 12:49:26 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

Pretty much.

Though the ACA issue will be interesting. You repeal Obamacare and healthcare is now yours.

 Every person that becomes uninsured, Every new growth in costs, every bankrupted person, every person that scoffs at paying $600 for an epipen. The Republicans will now own that. Healthcare will be theirs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:50:15 AM

Nevada went to Hillary. Who the fuck knows what else is going to happen.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:47:16 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:46:05 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

I'm optimistic by nature, so I'm just trying to think of the best possible scenarios on how this goes. I just hope Trump doesn't nuke anyone at this point.

Best possible scenario is two really bad years of Trump and a GOP congress, with Congress going blue in 2018 because of how bad things are.

Basically 2004-6?

Just to fuck with him and his entire horde of slimy pieces of shit supporters, I really hope Hillary wins the popular vote by a sizable margin. Even at this point when she's likely to lose.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:50:32 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:47:16 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 12:46:05 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

I'm optimistic by nature, so I'm just trying to think of the best possible scenarios on how this goes. I just hope Trump doesn't nuke anyone at this point.

Best possible scenario is two really bad years of Trump and a GOP congress, with Congress going blue in 2018 because of how bad things are.

I'm going to get real pessimistic for a second (from Repub perspective) and tell you guys not to worry. Demographics baby. The country will only get more hispanic and less white. That bodes well for Democrats. Maybe not totally in congress, but definitely for presidency.

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that's why my boy Marco Rubio will be president one day  :usacry

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Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 12:50:54 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:29:23 AM

New Hampshire has Hillary ahead by a few hundred with 82% reporting.

Quote from: Pallando on November 09, 2016, 12:26:07 AM

People hate Trump but they must hate Hillary even more...

I doubt that. A bunch of swing state liberals stayed the fuck home or voted for some stupid ass third-party.

Anecdotally, everyone I know under 30 didn't vote for Clinton because they loved Bernie and couldn't get enthused about her.  Even women I know.  Most didn't vote or wrote in Bernie.  Sure I'm in CA so they get a little more leeway, but I really have a feeling that this was a common sentiment across millennials in all states, including swing states.  Bernie got them so riled up and excited for anti-establishment change, Hilary wasn't what they wanted.  There was a clear in-fighting disconnect between millennials & older democrats within the DNC itself and it couldn't have happened at a worse time with the SC nominations at stake.  Any future DNC candidate has to be the cool one that young kids want & the qualified one older democrats want.

But then again even if DNC fixes their shit and gets another president in, in 4 or 8 years, they'll have a republic obstructionist congress stopping them from doing anything just like Obama and on top of that the SC will be handing down conservative decisions.  Like I really don't want to be all hyperbolic, but this really seems like this one decision tonight has killed America's progressive positive future for a good chunk of the rest of my life (oh and global warming will kill are grandkids future too, whoops).

I feel like at this point I might as well make the best I can of the world on a local level, volunteering, doing more pro bono work, continuing treating everyone I meet with respect, being there for family, friends and neighbors because this country is likely done helping and showing empathy to anyone outside rich while males.

And it's a bit silly but this is literally the breaking point to get me to start dating again and hopefully find the right person to settle down, because if the world falls to shit, it'd be nice to still have someone to create your own sense of happiness together with.  Errrr, fwiw I don't really know how to put this into words.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:51:01 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 09, 2016, 12:49:26 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

Pretty much.

Though the ACA issue will be interesting. You repeal Obamacare and healthcare is now yours.

 Every person that becomes uninsured, Every new growth in costs, every bankrupted person, every person that scoffs at paying $600 for an epipen. The Republicans will now own that. Healthcare will be theirs.

I have a government Cadillac plan, so Im ready for some delicious "fuck you I have mine"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:51:11 AM

Shredding the ACA could potentially backfire on the GOP, but we've been saying that about various things for the past 6 years and nothing actually has so far.

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:51:48 AM

yo wtf after everything thats happened tonight, Joe Arpaio lost!

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 12:51:53 AM

Quote from: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 12:47:57 AM

Lose to a candidate who literally never explained his policies brehettes  :snoop

Above else this is what gets me. THIS.

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Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 12:52:13 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

And what happens when some foreign leader takes some potshots at Trump?

Some reporters start hating him hard on some allegation or start calling him out for being a puppet?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 12:52:14 AM

all the pbs presenters are so depressed

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 12:53:08 AM

Remember when Green Shinobi tried to warn us and we laughed?

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:54:11 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2016, 12:53:08 AM

Remember when Green Shinobi tried to warn us and we laughed?

Ive been on the "Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory" train since day 1.

I am also a Bernie Bro.

 :patel

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 12:54:26 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:51:48 AM

yo wtf after everything thats happened tonight, Joe Arpaio lost!

It was makes this even weirder...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 12:54:26 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2016, 12:53:08 AM

Remember when Green Shinobi tried to warn us and we laughed?

remember when green shinobi got upset someone else discovered medicine for aids?

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:54:28 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 12:50:54 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:29:23 AM

New Hampshire has Hillary ahead by a few hundred with 82% reporting.

Quote from: Pallando on November 09, 2016, 12:26:07 AM

People hate Trump but they must hate Hillary even more...

I doubt that. A bunch of swing state liberals stayed the fuck home or voted for some stupid ass third-party.

Anecdotally, everyone I know under 30 didn't vote for Clinton because they loved Bernie and couldn't get enthused about her.  Even women I know.  Most didn't vote or wrote in Bernie.  Sure I'm in CA so they get a little more leeway, but I really have a feeling that this was a common sentiment across millennials in all states, including swing states.  Bernie got them so riled up and excited for anti-establishment change, Hilary wasn't what they wanted.  There was a clear in-fighting disconnect between millennials & older democrats within the DNC itself and it couldn't have happened at a worse time with the SC nominations at stake.  Any future DNC candidate has to be the cool one that young kids want & the qualified one older democrats want.

But then again even if DNC fixes their shit and gets another president in, in 4 or 8 years, they'll have a republic obstructionist congress stopping them from doing anything just like Obama and on top of that the SC will be handing down conservative decisions.  Like I really don't want to be all hyperbolic, but this really seems like this one decision tonight has killed America's progressive positive future for a good chunk of the rest of my life (oh and global warming will kill are grandkids future too, whoops).

I feel like at this point I might as well make the best I can of the world on a local level, volunteering, doing more pro bono work, continuing treating everyone I meet with respect, being there for family, friends and neighbors because this country is likely done helping and showing empathy to anyone outside rich while males.

And it's a bit silly but this is literally the breaking point to get me to start dating again and hopefully find the right person to settle down, because if the world falls to shit, it'd be nice to still have someone to create your own sense of happiness together with.  Errrr, fwiw I don't really know how to put this into words.

I agree with you, I'm 27 and live in the Bay Area and know a few people who went for Jill Stein or Gary Johnson or whatever. I'm going to make the best of this and hope that the electoral system finally gets put to ashes in my lifetime.

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Post by: Atramental on November 09, 2016, 12:55:18 AM

https://soundcloud.com/timheidecker/i-am-a-cuck

 :fbm :stahp :tocry

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Post by: archie4208 on November 09, 2016, 12:55:44 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 09, 2016, 12:49:26 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

Pretty much.

Though the ACA issue will be interesting. You repeal Obamacare and healthcare is now yours.

 Every person that becomes uninsured, Every new growth in costs, every bankrupted person, every person that scoffs at paying $600 for an epipen. The Republicans will now own that. Healthcare will be theirs.

As someone who went from uninsured to having kinda ok coverage due to Obamacare: :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 12:57:45 AM

holy shit
Highest Evangelical Vote in decades maybe ever for Trump

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:58:40 AM

guys
is it abnormal to have maintained an erection this long?
i just cant stop thinking about the thread im gonna post
gotta get it at peak amir0x-browsing hours

it's a victory we can all take part in

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Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 12:59:03 AM

The problem with people saying if the republicans fuck up hard, dems will win is that it won't happen.  Republican voters vote party lines and don't care about policies for the most part.  Also that increasing minority % of USA?  Good luck as republicans gerrymander so it doesn't matter and have more unplanned republican babies because fuck abortions going forward.  Also the whole thing if they start deporting minoriies and making immigration even tougher.

The demographic shift was supposed to be majorly evident in this election and show the beginning of the end where republicans could never win again.  But instead minorities actually went down and all the whites heard the rally call and far outnumbered them.  Shits fucked for decades still. 

Quote from: Kara on November 09, 2016, 12:47:31 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 12:44:00 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:33:31 AM

Word is that Mike Pence is basically going to be the shadow president while Trump is the face of the power.

I've said this all along. It won't be as bad as people think. Trump will basically be a figurehead.

Mike Piss is a scumbag. The prospect of him actually being POTUS is a horrifying one.

Pence is every bit as bad as Trump, only he's not as stupid and knows not to start WW3.  But all the other stuff is fair game.

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Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 12:59:40 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:51:11 AM

Shredding the ACA could potentially backfire on the GOP, but we've been saying that about various things for the past 6 years and nothing actually has so far.

Theres no way it doesn't. Unlike before the ACA, Republican's aren't throwing stones at others ideas for change, they are the ones initiating it.

The Republicans have tied themselves into a Gordian knot on this issue.

They have no viable answers now that they have vilified their own solution in terms of exchange markets and their (likely)president has made its repeal a major tent pole.

Probably the only silver lining of joy I have coming my way is seeing Republicans struggle and flail around trying to untie this.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 09, 2016, 12:59:51 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 12:50:54 AM

Bernie got them so riled up and excited for anti-establishment change...

I think you have this backwards.

There is (and has been) a growing anti-establishment wave and Sanders only got as far as he did because he tapped into it.

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:00:52 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 12:59:03 AM

The problem with people saying if the republicans fuck up hard, dems will win is that it won't happen.  Republican voters vote party lines and don't care about policies for the most part.  Also that increasing minority % of USA?  Good luck as republicans gerrymander so it doesn't matter and have more unplanned republican babies because fuck abortions going forward.  Also the whole thing if they start deporting minoriies and making immigration even tougher.

The demographic shift was supposed to be majorly evident in this election and show the beginning of the end where republicans could never win again.  But instead minorities actually went down and all the whites heard the rally call and far outnumbered them.  Shits fucked for decades still. 

Highly disagree. Trump being the candidate notwithstanding, as a "repub" (not that i can vote), I have never been more afraid than this election of getting decimated.
Demographics are real.
But, you know what else is real?
Voter turnout.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 01:00:54 AM

Working class whites basically voted like a minority block, and liberals need to figure out that what appeals to them doesn't win elections. You have to appeal to stupid people.

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:01:17 AM

New Hampshire and THEIR IDIOT SLOW COUNTING finally flipped to Clinton

Alaska just closed...maybe because they were watching the results they mobilized for Clinton?

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Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 01:01:55 AM

Quote from: james on November 08, 2016, 11:40:04 PM

The american people vote for personality, not policy.

Thats why Obama won
Thats why Trump is winning
Whys why Regan won
Thats why Arnold won

You could throw in Kennedy as well. Charisma and pandering to a majority of the "American" (read: Poor/White) will win you people. Trump only had to offend EVERYONE else to get these people to mobilize in some sense.

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 12:59:03 AM

The problem with people saying if the republicans fuck up hard, dems will win is that it won't happen.  Republican voters vote party lines and don't care about policies for the most part.  Also that increasing minority % of USA?  Good luck as republicans gerrymander so it doesn't matter and have more unplanned republican babies because fuck abortions going forward.  Also the whole thing if they start deporting minoriies and making immigration even tougher.

The demographic shift was supposed to be majorly evident in this election and show the beginning of the end where republicans could never win again.  But instead minorities actually went down and all the whites heard the rally call and far outnumbered them.  Shits fucked for decades still.

I don't think things will be as fucked as they are right now in about 8 years. But the teenage meme-ers that couldn't vote Trump this election are the ones you really want to worry about. You just know /pol/ will feel like they are able to affect elections going forward now and they'll be playing with fire.

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Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 01:02:08 AM

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1310688 (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1310688)




 :holeup

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 01:02:18 AM

Quote

(((Harry Enten)))Verified account
‏@ForecasterEnten
Wisconsin is Trump. Pennsylvania will be called for Trump soon enough. Game over.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:03:03 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:43:14 AM

What's the largest margin that somebody won the popular vote by but lost the election? I'm wondering if we're headed to a new record.

Only four times has the primary loser "won" the popular vote.

2000 - Gore: 0.51%
1888 - Harrison: 0.83%
1876 - Hayes: 3.00%
1824 - Q. Adams: 10.44%

Of course, 1824 was a four way race, and Jackson got 41% of the popular vote. And 1876 was stolen but I don't know how the stolen states map to the popular vote without looking into it. So I'd go with the 1888 figure?

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 01:03:10 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:37:52 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

So Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie in cabinet positions? Who else?

And where does HRC go from here? She doesn't hold any kind of political office. Is she finished as a major player?

lawl, Chris Christie ain't getting shit

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:04:24 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 01:03:10 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:37:52 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

So Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie in cabinet positions? Who else?

And where does HRC go from here? She doesn't hold any kind of political office. Is she finished as a major player?

lawl, Chris Christie ain't getting shit

Secretary of transportation

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:04:28 AM

My buddy's prediction:

Trump takes the podium
looks out into the crowd and says
"Hillary, you're fired"

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 01:04:51 AM

He will get McDonalds

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Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 01:05:31 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 12:57:45 AM

holy shit
Highest Evangelical Vote in decades maybe ever for Trump

Is Trump an atheist?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 01:06:25 AM

He is going to pull a banana republic move and resign to give all the power to Pencer.

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Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:06:53 AM

Quote from: archie4208 on November 09, 2016, 12:55:44 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 09, 2016, 12:49:26 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:32:51 AM

ACA's probably toast within the first few weeks, unless Senate Dems rally for a fillibuster [and then keep it up for at least 2 years, and if Senate GOP doesn't go nuclear and axe the filibuster]
Scalia 2.0 [or worse] within the next few months
Executive Cabinet that's a Who's Who of all the jokers we've seen on TV over the past 1.5 years
Massive tax cuts leading to massive deficits
Could also see Trump, and Congress, going hard against Hillary because why not?
And who knows what other horrors await.

Pretty much.

Though the ACA issue will be interesting. You repeal Obamacare and healthcare is now yours.

 Every person that becomes uninsured, Every new growth in costs, every bankrupted person, every person that scoffs at paying $600 for an epipen. The Republicans will now own that. Healthcare will be theirs.

As someone who went from uninsured to having kinda ok coverage due to Obamacare: :fbm

This is the demon Republicans now have to deal with.

They will now have the power to do the thing they threatened in order to mobilize short-term support, but they know full well doing that without any good alternative(which they don't have) they are taking ownership of a toxic asset that will only turn more toxic doing what they said.

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 01:07:32 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 01:00:54 AM

Working class whites basically voted like a minority block, and liberals need to figure out that what appeals to them doesn't win elections. You have to appeal to stupid people.

In other words, we're fucked forever because people will never stop being stupid.

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:08:26 AM

California needs to secede

Secession soon.

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:08:57 AM

CNN headline: "Exit polls: Clinton failed to energize blacks"

Fuck you CNN.
One of the things that pissed me off the most was the Clinton approach to African-Americans.

You didn't fail to energize, you failed to treat them as human beings and not fucking electoral playing chips. Hold that L Hillary, hold that L.
(not saying Trump did differently, but this comment is in a vacuum)

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 01:09:37 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 12:47:42 AM

sure feels good to be in europe now

America and Britain cutting their noses off to spite their face is a gift for Merkel as well. EU got the rebound off the Brexit fallout while Britain got fucked. Likely the same thing will happen with this shitpile as business will swing to the EU again since it's a more stable market along with it's various tax havens like the Netherlands and Ireland. Canada will probably get a benefit as well as investment goes upwards to their stable markets compared to the US instability along with more jobs heading there because no one will invest in an unstable US market at the whims of a madman who is notorious for his poor business accumen despite his inheritance.

It's incredible. America ended itself as a superpower and basically gifted that mantle to Germany while Russia and China finally destabalized America with a fifth columnist :whew

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:09:55 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:08:26 AM

California needs to secede

Secession soon.

Cascadia the dream baby

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 09, 2016, 01:11:13 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

Fuck

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Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 01:11:20 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:51:11 AM

Shredding the ACA could potentially backfire on the GOP, but we've been saying that about various things for the past 6 years and nothing actually has so far.

Exactly.  They just lie and deflect blame to the democrats and their base eats it up because they don't care about facts.  How do you turn their base to D when they don't care about facts?  I don't know, but it's a huge problem for the DNC.  Honestly the only thing I can think of is running a movie/music/sports star that red state voters like and will vote for because he's cool and they can relate with him.  Most of Hollywood and entertainers are democrats, how is it that when we get movie star politicians they end up on the republican ticket like Reagan/Arnold wtf.  I mean, to answer myself, it's probably because the DNC cares more about political qualification whereas Republicans will run anyone with name recognition as we see with Trump.

As much as people joke Kanye 2020; it's not a bad idea and he'd probably have a chance if he wasn't black unfortunately since red state rural republicans probably aren't the biggest Kanye fans.

Also on a different topic, I think the big gun control push from Dems in wake of all the shootings had a devastating effect this election on middle America.  For all the talks of Obama taking yur guns, Hilary was actually likely to get some progressive gun control passed and unfortunately the 2nd amendment is still a huuuuuuuge divide in this country as we all know and from what I'm reading it looks like that attributed to stuff like swinging Wisconsin :/

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 01:11:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

The problem is Obama has overseen the basic gutting of the Dem party. They purged out the moderates and now is a labour version of the big city liberal party. They have lost all branches of the government and now will control the supreme court for decades. In the end, everything he has done has been for nothing.

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:14:04 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:11:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

The problem is Obama has overseen the basic gutting of the Dem party. They purged out the moderates and now is a labour version of the big city liberal party. They have lost all branches of the government and now will control the supreme court for decades. In the end, everything he has done has been for nothing.

I tried to warn people that the R taking over 3/4 of the state governor offices was a bad sign.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:15:54 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 01:11:20 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:51:11 AM

Shredding the ACA could potentially backfire on the GOP, but we've been saying that about various things for the past 6 years and nothing actually has so far.

Exactly.  They just lie and deflect blame to the democrats and their base eats it up because they don't care about facts. 

It's much harder to deflect and blame shift when you take ownership of a given issue. As Democrats learned with the ACA in the first place.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 01:16:28 AM

Quote from: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 01:06:25 AM

He is going to pull a banana republic move and resign to give all the power to Pencer.

(http://i.imgur.com/mB8Tn6e.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:16:39 AM

Will Hillary be a loser and concede?

Or can she demand recounts fucking everywhere?

I know what a winning party would do

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:16:50 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:11:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

The problem is Obama has overseen the basic gutting of the Dem party. They purged out the moderates and now is a labour version of the big city liberal party. They have lost all branches of the government and now will control the supreme court for decades. In the end, everything he has done has been for nothing.

It's over. All that talk of Obama being the most consequential president since x...done. Foot note status. I don't think he's to blame for the party's decline, it was clearly a racial reaction that destroyed democrats in red states and rural areas.

Ultimately republicans won. The obstruction and nonstop brinksmanship worked. They lost hard in 2012 but ultimately win in the end, because they get to hit the erase button on everything.

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Post by: eleuin on November 09, 2016, 01:17:19 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 12:47:42 AM

sure feels good to be in europe now

I don't even feel like staying in canada, imaging Trudeau being buddy buddy with this orange, ugh

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 01:17:29 AM

Bruh...

Quote

Byron Tau ‏@ByronTau 
Trump did better than Romney among blacks by 5 points. He did 2 points better among Latinos.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 01:17:31 AM

What kinda crazy shit could Obama pull, plz save us Obama

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 01:20:04 AM

Quote

Toomey re-elected to U.S. Senate in Pennsylvania.

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Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2016, 01:20:13 AM

So should we all start polishing our Russian? Privyet comrades!

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:20:22 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:16:50 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:11:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

The problem is Obama has overseen the basic gutting of the Dem party. They purged out the moderates and now is a labour version of the big city liberal party. They have lost all branches of the government and now will control the supreme court for decades. In the end, everything he has done has been for nothing.

It's over. All that talk of Obama being the most consequential president since x...done. Foot note status. I don't think he's to blame for the party's decline, it was clearly a racial reaction that destroyed democrats in red states and rural areas.

Ultimately republicans won. The obstruction and nonstop brinksmanship worked. They lost hard in 2012 but ultimately win in the end, because they get to hit the erase button on everything.

PD, can you please elaborate on the bolded part? Are you saying in 2012 or in 2016? I'm sorry if I just "dont get it" but I can't imagine racism being as large of a factor as you (appear to) make it seem.

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:21:07 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 09, 2016, 01:20:26 AM

It's been fun talking to ya guys about politics over the years but that's it, I'm out. Why give a shit about politics when it clearly doesn't give a fuck about me?

Oh yeah, my visa got approved. So yay I guess.

Congrats!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 01:21:23 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 01:17:31 AM

What kinda crazy shit could Obama pull, plz save us Obama

Obama's still get his finger on the nuclear button...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 01:21:32 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 01:07:32 AM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 01:00:54 AM

Working class whites basically voted like a minority block, and liberals need to figure out that what appeals to them doesn't win elections. You have to appeal to stupid people.

In other words, we're fucked forever because people will never stop being stupid.

We're a pretty garbage species anyway tbh, I welcome the coming fire

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 01:21:40 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 01:17:31 AM

What kinda crazy shit could Obama pull, plz save us Obama

Join the neoUSSR, hand over the Presidency (of the union) to Putin, become Prime Minister of Soviet America and rule for his entire lifetime? 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 01:22:30 AM

Well this is just great. I don't like to get personal but I'm going to. I think I'm going a little GAF.

This Thursday I will have been married to my wife for 21 years. She and I have been through some rough times that I'm not willing to share, but tonight I can't look at her. I came into the bedroom and I left before I got upset. I went back in and desperately didn't want to jostle the bed to wake her up.  My wife was raped by two men when she was 18, and had her virginity taken from her. She nebver really dealt with it, and we're trying to explore options to help her to this day, 35 years later. It's hard. On both of us, on our marriage, on our daughter.

And tonight I don't want to tell her that the new President is Donald Trump, oil' take what you want, grab 'em by the pussy, Trump. Every time she moves I get a chill thinking I have to tell her.

I know, livejournal.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 01:22:48 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 09, 2016, 01:20:13 AM

So should we all start polishing our Russian? Privyet comrades!

Придется переквалифицироваться в управдомы.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:22:51 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 01:17:31 AM

What kinda crazy shit could Obama pull, plz save us Obama

He needs to take our guns, institute death panels, and declare sharia law.

Tomorrow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:23:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:16:50 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:11:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

The problem is Obama has overseen the basic gutting of the Dem party. They purged out the moderates and now is a labour version of the big city liberal party. They have lost all branches of the government and now will control the supreme court for decades. In the end, everything he has done has been for nothing.

It's over. All that talk of Obama being the most consequential president since x...done. Foot note status. I don't think he's to blame for the party's decline, it was clearly a racial reaction that destroyed democrats in red states and rural areas.

Ultimately republicans won. The obstruction and nonstop brinksmanship worked. They lost hard in 2012 but ultimately win in the end, because they get to hit the erase button on everything.

I know it seems bleak now, but Republicans have not exactly positioned themselves well to be more then a 2 year thin majority in the legislator and a 1 term president.

If they had a bunch of well regarded policies they could spit out that would really ingratiate the public over the next 2 years, sure, but their aimless obstructionism and pandering to the rich is setting themselves up for a pretty hard fall.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Then again I also thought Trump could never persuade enough of the electorate to win. So what the fuck do I know anymore.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:24:05 AM

Quote

John Kasich, a possible 2020 candidate,  plans to give a speech less than 48 hours after polls close in this election, casting his vision for the future of the Republican Party after his vocal opposition to current GOP nominee Donald Trump.

The Ohio governor, who refused to back Trump after losing to him in the GOP presidential primary, plans to give the speech Thursday at the American Enterprise Institute, a free-enterprise think tank in Washington, D.C., two people with knowledge of the plans told The Enquirer. They declined to be named because the plan is not yet public.

Kasich is mulling a possible 2020 bid for president, although he does not plan to launch that bid Thursday, the people said. He hopes to be a part of the conversation as the GOP takes stock after a possible loss to Democrat Hillary Clinton.

er, well, ignore that last part

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:24:16 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:23:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:16:50 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:11:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

The problem is Obama has overseen the basic gutting of the Dem party. They purged out the moderates and now is a labour version of the big city liberal party. They have lost all branches of the government and now will control the supreme court for decades. In the end, everything he has done has been for nothing.

It's over. All that talk of Obama being the most consequential president since x...done. Foot note status. I don't think he's to blame for the party's decline, it was clearly a racial reaction that destroyed democrats in red states and rural areas.

Ultimately republicans won. The obstruction and nonstop brinksmanship worked. They lost hard in 2012 but ultimately win in the end, because they get to hit the erase button on everything.

I know it seems bleak now, but Republicans have not exactly positioned themselves well to be more then a 2 year thin majority in the legislator and a 1 term president.

If they had a bunch of well regarded policies they could spit out that would really ingratiate the public over the next 2 years, sure, but their aimless obstructionism and pandering to the rich is setting themselves up for a pretty hard fall.

Worked great for Kerry.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 01:24:58 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:17:29 AM

Bruh...

Quote

Byron Tau ‏@ByronTau 
Trump did better than Romney among blacks by 5 points. He did 2 points better among Latinos.

That is kinda nuts considering his rhetoric.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 01:26:24 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:22:51 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 01:17:31 AM

What kinda crazy shit could Obama pull, plz save us Obama

He needs to take our guns, institute death panels, and declare sharia law.

Tomorrow.

Actually, if Obama could force in some sensible gun laws before he fucks off, that would be great. The rest of the world would applaud.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 01:27:47 AM

Hispanic Voters

Trump 29%
CLinton 65%

8 point gain by Trump , higher than Romney
CLinton underperformed

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:28:43 AM

Trump taking Alaska

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 01:29:29 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 09, 2016, 01:20:26 AM

It's been fun talking to ya guys about politics over the years but that's it, I'm out. Why give a shit about politics when it clearly doesn't give a fuck about me?

Oh yeah, my visa got approved. So yay I guess.

At the end, despite all the pessimism.  People becoming disillusioned is the end for everything.  Everyone still needs to keep voting every two years and making others aware of the vote and it's importance every two years (without being a dick about it), because if enough people actually did that things will improve.  Every step counts.  As described I think we're pretty fucked and my vote hardly counts being in CA, but I'll still be voting every two years while I'm alive.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:29:43 AM

You can call Hillary trash and make up Biden fantasies. But like I said, ultimately her voters came out. Hispanic turnout was up. Black turnout was solid. This election was clearly not about those voters - or at least not, them personally. It was moreso about white people essentially deciding to drive the plane into the fucking mountain. Because "economic anxiety" despite the fact they're doing better than most of the minorities who voted for Clinton.

I didn't think the math added up to get Trump into the WH. But I simply didn't expect white women, even suburban white women, to turn out for Trump like this. Based on the polls it looked like he was fucked specifically because suburban women were going to go for Clinton.

Here we are. And now those "both sides are the same" people (who I wouldn't blame for this loss btw) get to see how wrong that shit is when Trump unveils his Supreme Court picks, how Department of Justice, his (executive order) deportation agenda, etc. Good luck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:30:21 AM

Quote

Cher ‏@cher  3h3 hours ago
IF🚽WINS,HE WILL STILL BE WHAT HE IS NOW…A PETTY VENGEFUL,COWARD‼️AS GERMANY WAS IN THE 30′s, THERES AN ANGER,A RAGE, THAT HAS CONSUMED OUR🇺🇸

Cher ‏@cher  3h3 hours ago
ask yourself“DID I DO ALL I COULD HAVE DONE”⁉️Its a good
Lesson.We r still Try’n 2have hope.
 SAW BREXIT RIP GB APART IN ONE NITE😱
Must🙏🏻

Cher ‏@cher  2h2 hours ago
IMBECILE GARY JOHNSON
BRINGS DOWN🌍BECAUSE OF
NARCISSISM & IGNORANCE ‼️JILL YOURE WORTHLESS ‼️WELD U COULD HAVE SAVED US,WHY DIDNT YOU😥

Cher ‏@cher  2h2 hours ago
world will never be the same. I feel Sad for the young.🚽will never be more than the toilet, I’ve used as a symbol 4 Him.
U Can’t Polish 💩

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 01:31:59 AM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 01:24:58 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:17:29 AM

Bruh...

Quote

Byron Tau ‏@ByronTau 
Trump did better than Romney among blacks by 5 points. He did 2 points better among Latinos.

That is kinda nuts considering his rhetoric.

People really, really hate Hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 01:32:48 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 09, 2016, 01:20:26 AM

It's been fun talking to ya guys about politics over the years but that's it, I'm out. Why give a shit about politics when it clearly doesn't give a fuck about me?

Oh yeah, my visa got approved. So yay I guess.

I'm probably counting my chickens before they hatch, but I'm sure you'll be fine even in Montana. From what I've seen of you, you aren't one of those "damn towelheads" that the Hillbillies love to bash on.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:33:28 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:29:43 AM

You can call Hillary trash and make up Biden fantasies. But like I said, ultimately her voters came out. Hispanic turnout was up. Black turnout was solid. This election was clearly not about those voters - or at least not, them personally. It was moreso about white people essentially deciding to drive the plane into the fucking mountain. Because "economic anxiety" despite the fact they're doing better than most of the minorities who voted for Clinton.

I didn't think the math added up to get Trump into the WH. But I simply didn't expect white women, even suburban white women, to turn out for Trump like this. Based on the polls it looked like he was fucked specifically because suburban women were going to go for Clinton.

Here we are. And now those "both sides are the same" people (who I wouldn't blame for this loss btw) get to see how wrong that shit is when Trump unveils his Supreme Court picks, how Department of Justice, his (executive order) deportation agenda, etc. Good luck.

I don't mean this in a gloating way at all, but those shy/quiet voters breh, I told you. Of course, no one could've predicted this scale, but yea, voter turnout really was everything this election. Trump moved the needle with black voters a bit, but we knew it would ultimately be a numbers game.

Also do we have numbers on black turnout though? When you say solid do you mean same? I just can't imagine it being Obama-levels; there must've been a decrease no?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:34:04 AM

Not fair to compared final 2012 numbers to what we have right now. Cali is at like 30%, let's wait and see what Hispanic turnout looks like after more shit is counted.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: bluemax on November 09, 2016, 01:34:41 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:29:43 AM

You can call Hillary trash and make up Biden fantasies. But like I said, ultimately her voters came out. Hispanic turnout was up. Black turnout was solid. This election was clearly not about those voters - or at least not, them personally. It was moreso about white people essentially deciding to drive the plane into the fucking mountain. Because "economic anxiety" despite the fact they're doing better than most of the minorities who voted for Clinton.

I didn't think the math added up to get Trump into the WH. But I simply didn't expect white women, even suburban white women, to turn out for Trump like this. Based on the polls it looked like he was fucked specifically because suburban women were going to go for Clinton.

Here we are. And now those "both sides are the same" people (who I wouldn't blame for this loss btw) get to see how wrong that shit is when Trump unveils his Supreme Court picks, how Department of Justice, his (executive order) deportation agenda, etc. Good luck.

It feels like white women for trump was a big decider that no one accounted for. Once CNN or whoever started talking about how college educated white women in Florida went Trump I knew shit was gonna get scary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:34:43 AM

CBS saying Hillary spent $500 MILLION more than Trump?

Fucking Democrats

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 01:35:11 AM

Poll-based election prediction models are out the window..

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 01:35:34 AM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 09, 2016, 01:20:26 AM

It's been fun talking to ya guys about politics over the years but that's it, I'm out. Why give a shit about politics when it clearly doesn't give a fuck about me?

Oh yeah, my visa got approved. So yay I guess.

Congrats in both accounts.

Politics are shit so is nice you realize this.

But is good that you got your visa.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:35:37 AM

PD I told my buddy that at least we might get a new YG tape now
His response:
"isn't there a C in Clinton?"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 01:36:13 AM

Quote from: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 01:22:30 AM

Well this is just great. I don't like to get personal but I'm going to. I think I'm going a little GAF.

This Thursday I will have been married to my wife for 21 years. She and I have been through some rough times that I'm not willing to share, but tonight I can't look at her. I came into the bedroom and I left before I got upset. I went back in and desperately didn't want to jostle the bed to wake her up.  My wife was raped by two men when she was 18, and had her virginity taken from her. She nebver really dealt with it, and we're trying to explore options to help her to this day, 35 years later. It's hard. On both of us, on our marriage, on our daughter.

And tonight I don't want to tell her that the new President is Donald Trump, oil' take what you want, grab 'em by the pussy, Trump. Every time she moves I get a chill thinking I have to tell her.

I know, livejournal.

 :( It's okay. She has you.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:36:14 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 01:35:11 AM

Poll-based election prediction models are out the window..

Its 2016, who the fuck answers a phone call from an unknown caller?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:36:41 AM

Quote from: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 01:22:30 AM

Well this is just great. I don't like to get personal but I'm going to. I think I'm going a little GAF.

This Thursday I will have been married to my wife for 21 years. She and I have been through some rough times that I'm not willing to share, but tonight I can't look at her. I came into the bedroom and I left before I got upset. I went back in and desperately didn't want to jostle the bed to wake her up.  My wife was raped by two men when she was 18, and had her virginity taken from her. She nebver really dealt with it, and we're trying to explore options to help her to this day, 35 years later. It's hard. On both of us, on our marriage, on our daughter.

And tonight I don't want to tell her that the new President is Donald Trump, oil' take what you want, grab 'em by the pussy, Trump. Every time she moves I get a chill thinking I have to tell her.

I know, livejournal.

Fuck that dude, I feel for you. This isn't one of those faux "pay attention to me" posts GAF does.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 01:37:04 AM

Quote

Official: Harambe gets nearly 15,000 write-in votes for presidency of the United States:

FFS

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 01:37:44 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:36:14 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 01:35:11 AM

Poll-based election prediction models are out the window..

Its 2016, who the fuck answers a phone call from an unknown caller?

My parents and a few older family members are the only ones I know that even have landlines.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:41:54 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:24:16 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:23:14 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:16:50 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 01:11:43 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:06:15 AM

Obama's "legacy" is erased. It's over. Nothing will remain.

I've been thinking about it. We're literally going to be putting hope in Ryan...Rubio...McCain...etc standing up to some of Trump's worse flourishes yet the president has enough power to overrule them. Supreme Court, gone. Obamacare, gone. But maybe they hold off on his immigration agenda.

But you can kiss criminal justice reform goodbye. Good luck protesting police brutality under a Trump Department Of Justice. It's over.

The problem is Obama has overseen the basic gutting of the Dem party. They purged out the moderates and now is a labour version of the big city liberal party. They have lost all branches of the government and now will control the supreme court for decades. In the end, everything he has done has been for nothing.

It's over. All that talk of Obama being the most consequential president since x...done. Foot note status. I don't think he's to blame for the party's decline, it was clearly a racial reaction that destroyed democrats in red states and rural areas.

Ultimately republicans won. The obstruction and nonstop brinksmanship worked. They lost hard in 2012 but ultimately win in the end, because they get to hit the erase button on everything.

I know it seems bleak now, but Republicans have not exactly positioned themselves well to be more then a 2 year thin majority in the legislator and a 1 term president.

If they had a bunch of well regarded policies they could spit out that would really ingratiate the public over the next 2 years, sure, but their aimless obstructionism and pandering to the rich is setting themselves up for a pretty hard fall.

Worked great for Kerry.

Well if Trump gets his own 9/11 moment, even an Obama would struggle taking the presidency from Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 01:44:04 AM

Thanks everyone, it means a lot that you all read that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 01:45:27 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:34:04 AM

Not fair to compared final 2012 numbers to what we have right now. Cali is at like 30%, let's wait and see what Hispanic turnout looks like after more shit is counted.

Yeah, I'm really curious what the Latino turnout was given how much Trump antagonized them. Early votings were them turning out but welp... guess certain segments waited until today.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:47:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/7WB763p.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Atramental on November 09, 2016, 01:48:54 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:47:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/7WB763p.jpg)

In Trump's Head:  "Fuck... now what?"  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 01:49:22 AM

Quote from: Pallando on November 09, 2016, 01:48:54 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:47:01 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/7WB763p.jpg)

Trump:  "Fuck... now what?"  :doge

seriously though lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 01:50:27 AM

Please someone make that trump head and the fist pumping guy an emote :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:51:50 AM

Whats problematic is that Trump supporters came out to vote against right wing policy.

Everything they hate - global free trade, corporate speech, union destroying.... thats all created by Republicans.

And then the Republicans turn around and reap the rewards of their failed policies

Because Hillary "its my turn" Clinton and the idiots at the DNC are so far up their asses that they can spend $1 billion and get zero return.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:53:26 AM

Best case scenario: Republican policies crash the global economy (again), and they lose the house and senate in 2018. Dems play the obstruction card and they get zero supreme court seats or judges.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 01:53:37 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:47:01 AM

(http://img)

Pence can't believe he is about to be president....Trump looking like he wishes he had just taken that Obama correspondents roast in stride.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 01:54:24 AM

"Fist pumping guy" is in the first family in a few months, Momo, have some respect. Also plz emote the blonde lady giving him side eye

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:54:26 AM

NYT calls PA for Trump.

264 points. Plus Alaska = 269

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 01:54:59 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 01:03:03 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:43:14 AM

What's the largest margin that somebody won the popular vote by but lost the election? I'm wondering if we're headed to a new record.

Only four times has the primary loser "won" the popular vote.

2000 - Gore: 0.51%
1888 - Harrison: 0.83%
1876 - Hayes: 3.00%
1824 - Q. Adams: 10.44%

Of course, 1824 was a four way race, and Jackson got 41% of the popular vote. And 1876 was stolen but I don't know how the stolen states map to the popular vote without looking into it. So I'd go with the 1888 figure?

But isn't that likely what's going to happen here once California gets counted?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 01:55:53 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:53:26 AM

Best case scenario: Republican policies crash the global economy (again), and they lose the house and senate in 2018. Dems play the obstruction card and they get zero supreme court seats or judges.

He won, it's clear this is what people want or deserve.

Obstruction, sure. But republicans have every right to shitcan the filibuster.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 01:56:21 AM

If Hillary wins the popular vote, it's gonna fan the flames of polarization in this country that much further.

As long as Dems suck at playing politics, I don't think they can take advantage of it the way Reps have.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 01:56:48 AM

Quote from: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 01:44:04 AM

Thanks everyone, it means a lot that you all read that.

No, thank you for sharing with us.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:57:28 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 01:56:21 AM

If Hillary wins the popular vote, it's gonna fan the flames of polarization in this country that much further.

As long as Dems suck at playing politics, I don't think they can take advantage of it the way Reps have.

She will win it.

Thats why we need a rebellion

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 01:59:13 AM

To be fair, part of that was DNC had no one else to run.  Maybe Sanders could've done better, maybe minorities would've stayed at home for another old white guy and Trump would still win the rural white vote + racist vote and we'd be in the same place.  DNC needed a candidate that inspired young voters and minority voters + their base (and maybe republicans didn't hate so much but good luck with that) and they didn't have it.  They needed Obama 2.0 which was Hillary in policy but not in charisma (also not being a minority, although she is a woman which is a minority in politics).  Can they find someone like that in 4 years?  Who knows.  Hope they can though!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 02:02:58 AM

John Podesta speaking: http://video.foxnews.com/v/5199651171001/?#sp=watch-live

Nothing more will be said tonight, it's too close to call.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 02:03:45 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:57:28 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 01:56:21 AM

If Hillary wins the popular vote, it's gonna fan the flames of polarization in this country that much further.

As long as Dems suck at playing politics, I don't think they can take advantage of it the way Reps have.

She will win it.

Thats why we need a rebellion

I mean the Trumpkins did warn us the polls were rigged   

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 02:03:49 AM

I dunno, I feel like Sanders (and I know I've been mocked for my support of him/his ideas of policies before) would've done slightly better. He had the white people with common sense on lock. The major problem was those people pushing blacks and other PoC away.

I feel like a Trump/Sanders showdown would've been better for the democrats because during the primaries there was a resounding "fuck the establishment" from both sides. Which begs the question why did they think Hillary was their best chance with that drumbeat? :doge

I don't know if I'd say he'd have won, but I feel in that alternate timeline there would've been less animosity toward the Dems (after the "rigging" of the primaries) from those folks to have them go "fuck you" toward the party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:04:20 AM

he told them to go home

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:05:10 AM

wait is he correct? should i go to sleep or stay awake a couple more hours?

edit: nevermind, clinton is a sore loser, SAD!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 02:06:18 AM

he is full of shit
She has lost and just giving false hope

I mean there is a chance but getting hit by lighting is a bigger chance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 02:08:15 AM

Stuff keeps hitting me, thoughts about what's now lost. Iran deal is fucked now. Guessing republicans will start by rescinding our ends of the deal, causing a reaction from Iran and then blame them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:11:49 AM

Republicans just won the senate

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Atramental on November 09, 2016, 02:13:45 AM

Oh my god... I just realized...

My Thanksgiving this year is going to be hell...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 02:13:47 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 01:59:13 AM

To be fair, part of that was DNC had no one else to run.  Maybe Sanders could've done better, maybe minorities would've stayed at home for another old white guy and Trump would still win the rural white vote + racist vote and we'd be in the same place.  DNC needed a candidate that inspired young voters and minority voters + their base (and maybe republicans didn't hate so much but good luck with that) and they didn't have it.  They needed Obama 2.0 which was Hillary in policy but not in charisma (also not being a minority, although she is a woman which is a minority in politics).  Can they find someone like that in 4 years?  Who knows.  Hope they can though!

I think in hindsight Sanders could of easily been that candidate.

His platform had/has a very strong blue collar union draw. He energizes the youth and the base and he had none of the character flaws that anchored Trump and Clinton.

I was one of the "Bernie is not capable of winning a general election" people but I think this night is proving my argument dead wrong.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:14:39 AM

Quote from: Pallando on November 09, 2016, 02:13:45 AM

Oh my god... I just realized...

My Thanksgiving this year is going to be hell...

breh i got invited to my new girls thanksgiving
shes blue
her parents are diehard blue
she told me her dad was gonna bug me about conservative policies
that was then
this is now
buckle the fuck up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 02:16:38 AM

why worry? you won, tell him to suck it up

imply you will report him to trumps thought police otherwise

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 02:16:53 AM

Elizabeth Warren better run in 2020

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 02:17:20 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 09, 2016, 02:13:47 AM

I was one of the "Bernie is not capable of winning a general election" people but I think this night is proving my argument dead wrong.

The same people who were blindsided by Bernie winning Michigan were those calling shots to "run up the tables" in Georgia and Texas, all while mocking Trump for campaigning in Pennsylvania and Michigan.

Out of touch idiots.

Idiots who get to fly to the Bahamas and chill for 4 years

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 02:27:51 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 09, 2016, 02:13:47 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 01:59:13 AM

To be fair, part of that was DNC had no one else to run.  Maybe Sanders could've done better, maybe minorities would've stayed at home for another old white guy and Trump would still win the rural white vote + racist vote and we'd be in the same place.  DNC needed a candidate that inspired young voters and minority voters + their base (and maybe republicans didn't hate so much but good luck with that) and they didn't have it.  They needed Obama 2.0 which was Hillary in policy but not in charisma (also not being a minority, although she is a woman which is a minority in politics).  Can they find someone like that in 4 years?  Who knows.  Hope they can though!

I think in hindsight Sanders could of easily been that candidate.

His platform had/has a very strong blue collar union draw. He energizes the youth and the base and he had none of the character flaws that anchored Trump and Clinton.

I was one of the "Bernie is not capable of winning a general election" people but I think this night is proving my argument dead wrong.

In retrospect I think Bernie being pro-gun could've swung the election.  Fuck, as much as I hate typing this out, I think dems need to go pro-gun for the time being.  There's too many single issue voters that gun rights control.  We're not ready for a gun control nation as Sandy Hook should've shown us :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:29:47 AM

Ironically Trump is the most pro gun control republican with the whole watch list thing. The only few policy proposal he mentioned.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:31:57 AM

So Dem-boreans, Cory Booker 2020?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 02:32:03 AM

In general though I didn't care for Bernie personally because like Trump I felt he just said stuff people wanted to hear and didn't actually have plans on how to do any of it.  I wanted someone who could get stuff done in a smart efficient pipeline way and progress America left. 

Now I get to see someone get stuff done because he has zero opposition anywhere!  :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:33:19 AM

Also reading about low turnout. Lowest since 2000 in fact holy shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 02:33:48 AM

AP called it for Trump.

America :piss2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Yulwei on November 09, 2016, 02:35:59 AM

Call me paranoid but I'm strapping up for my self defense. My black ass isn't getting got :larry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:36:06 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:33:19 AM

Also reading about low turnout. Lowest since 2000 in fact holy shit.

what????

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 02:37:21 AM

loooooooooooooool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 02:37:54 AM

Speech soon from President Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:38:21 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:36:06 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:33:19 AM

Also reading about low turnout. Lowest since 2000 in fact holy shit.

what????

https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/796248995135897600

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: nachobro on November 09, 2016, 02:38:22 AM

shit

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:39:50 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:38:21 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:36:06 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:33:19 AM

Also reading about low turnout. Lowest since 2000 in fact holy shit.

what????

https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/796248995135897600

everyone else was saying it's historic turnout

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 02:41:14 AM

Hilary conceded 

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:42:10 AM

It's over. Time to Make America Great Again  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)

it's president pence

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 02:42:14 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/BhKWZB6.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:42:24 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:39:50 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:38:21 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:36:06 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:33:19 AM

Also reading about low turnout. Lowest since 2000 in fact holy shit.

what????

https://twitter.com/jpodhoretz/status/796248995135897600

everyone else was saying it's historic turnout

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/796253109571948544

looks like theres a lot of noise going on right now. If anything, Hillary way under performed in traditionally Democratic states.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:43:31 AM

Quote from: El Babua on November 09, 2016, 02:42:24 AM

https://twitter.com/Nate_Cohn/status/796253109571948544

looks like theres a lot of noise going on right now. If anything, Hillary way under performed in traditionally Democratic states.

oh, now that I believe, but as far as the country as a whole, im pretty sure even anectodately turnout is up

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 02:44:13 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 02:32:03 AM

In general though I didn't care for Bernie personally because like Trump I felt he just said stuff people wanted to hear and didn't actually have plans on how to do any of it.  I wanted someone who could get stuff done in a smart efficient pipeline way and progress America left. 

Now I get to see someone get stuff done because he has zero opposition anywhere!  :(

Bernie is just an idealist that utilized populist tactics, Trump is just a highly unqualified demagogue.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 02:44:40 AM

Ok it is starting to look like she under performed with democrats while Trump brought out his base. The Sanders chatter is gonna be loud as fuck. Sigh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 02:44:55 AM

speech

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 02:45:20 AM

remember that time John Podesta came out to the Hillary rally and said they wouldn't be making any statement so everyone should go home?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 02:46:45 AM

Mike Pence looks too weird to be President.

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Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:47:42 AM

in case anyone needs a link
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc2/watch/live-election-night-coverage-800104003841

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:48:11 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 02:45:20 AM

remember that time John Podesta came out to the Hillary rally and said they wouldn't be making any statement so everyone should go home?

she didnt have the temperament to concede

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 09, 2016, 02:49:38 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 02:44:40 AM

Ok it is starting to look like she under performed with democrats while Trump brought out his base. The Sanders chatter is gonna be loud as fuck. Sigh.

Yeah thats what it has been looking like.

Trump over-performed in his counties and strongholds while Hillary either under-performed or just garnered normal turnout.

She didn't seemingly flip moderates like many speculated. She under-performed with some key demographics in some states.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 09, 2016, 02:50:03 AM

im crying
jk USA USA USA USA

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 02:50:42 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/CkZuXlI.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 09, 2016, 02:50:44 AM

It really does feel like we're in an alternate timeline.  Watching this Trump speech feels like an out of body experience. 

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 02:51:46 AM

Guess on the plus side, the Clinton foundation doesn't have to shut down or whatever

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Vertigo on November 09, 2016, 02:53:42 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 02:45:20 AM

remember that time John Podesta came out to the Hillary rally and said they wouldn't be making any statement so everyone should go home?

They were done as soon as he stepped out, they couldn't sell it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kFcNj2H3z0

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Post by: Atramental on November 09, 2016, 02:55:15 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 02:46:45 AM

Mike Pence looks too weird to be President.

(https://i.sli.mg/kJoNhf.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 02:55:29 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 02:32:03 AM

In general though I didn't care for Bernie personally because like Trump I felt he just said stuff people wanted to hear and didn't actually have plans on how to do any of it.  I wanted someone who could get stuff done in a smart efficient pipeline way and progress America left. 

Now I get to see someone get stuff done because he has zero opposition anywhere!  :(

Because the Democratic Party has punted on doing anything to make inroads in America's periphery for decades now (inching socially conservative--for example selecting Tim Kaine as your vice presidential nominee--doesn't help with that since people who lean that way can just vote Republican for that same great Gilead taste) no such candidate exists because they would not have legislative or state support in any meaningful way.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 02:56:01 AM

Maybe he'll appoint Ivanka to the Supreme Court :drool

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 02:57:11 AM

I'm laying in bed crying.

I just read this.

https://thinkprogress.org/trump-pence-transgender-students-aa32ee93cdb7#.s5twef6ef

We worked so hard for bread crumbs worth of progress and this is what we're going to get.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 03:00:22 AM

Chris christie got a shout out so proud haha this is tv gold

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 03:01:39 AM

God this is a list of losers. 

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 03:03:56 AM

ben carson, where is ben

spoiler (click to show/hide)

:snore

[close]

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 03:06:24 AM

pence and trump are not friends are they, kind of wish christie was vice president he's funny

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 03:07:18 AM

are they really playing 'you can't always get what you want'?

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 03:08:49 AM

Gonna go to bed.  You American's ought to be ashamed of yourselves, you totally ruined my day. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 03:14:11 AM

Quote

There will likely be reams of data coming in during the next few weeks and just what really happened today. However, one thing stood out above all else from the presidential exit polls:

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

29% of Latinos overall supported Trump, that is 2% higher than Mitt Romney's number 4 years ago

8% of Blacks overall supported Trump, that is also 2% higher than Mitt Romney's number 4 years ago

29% Asians supported Trump as well, higher than expected

53% of White Women supported Trump, even AFTER the Access Hollywood tapes and allegations of probable molestations

The die is cast. Trump won because the demographics most ostensibly hostile to him in theory, were not in reality

That is unexpected to say the least.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 03:20:37 AM

Quote

Here’s how the firm Latino Decisions found the Latino vote broke out by state, for Clinton and Trump.

Arizona — 84-12
California — 80-16
Colorado — 81-16
Florida — 67-31
Illinois — 86-10
Nevada — 81-16
North Carolina — 82-15
New York — 88-10
Ohio — 80-17
Texas — 80-16
Virginia — 81-15
Wisconsin — 87-10

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 03:22:07 AM

Florida is Cubans, right?

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Post by: Sausage on November 09, 2016, 03:22:43 AM

At least the fucking Clintons don't have control over the DNC anymore.

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 03:26:12 AM

http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/9/13555784/donald-trump-presidential-election-victory-history

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Post by: Atramental on November 09, 2016, 03:32:49 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/bkzGcGW.png)

ChristineChan is going to get a visit...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 03:34:39 AM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 03:14:11 AM

Quote

There will likely be reams of data coming in during the next few weeks and just what really happened today. However, one thing stood out above all else from the presidential exit polls:

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

29% of Latinos overall supported Trump, that is 2% higher than Mitt Romney's number 4 years ago

8% of Blacks overall supported Trump, that is also 2% higher than Mitt Romney's number 4 years ago

29% Asians supported Trump as well, higher than expected

53% of White Women supported Trump, even AFTER the Access Hollywood tapes and allegations of probable molestations

The die is cast. Trump won because the demographics most ostensibly hostile to him in theory, were not in reality

That is unexpected to say the least.

Well, at least this is going to encourege a lot of self reflection. Is going to be some weird 4 years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Vertigo on November 09, 2016, 03:39:41 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 03:06:24 AM

pence and trump are not friends are they, kind of wish christie was vice president he's funny

Well Pence tried to screw him when it looked like the Pussy grabbing story was taking hold.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Trent Dole on November 09, 2016, 04:48:11 AM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 09, 2016, 03:29:41 AM

The lesser evil won.

:iface

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 05:01:15 AM

Well, damn, it really happened. I was worried Trump was gonna be competitive and following patterns of European far right (inexact polling underestimating numbers included) but I certainly didn't expect it to be to that extent.

The worst thing is that this election actually vindicates the worst : The GOP were actually electorally correct to pursue further right than to go back to the center. It was thought that this election would signify the end of the road and that the "normal" GOP would have to make a clean break to avoid demographical doom. Turns out this model has actually a lot of reserves yet and that the whole RINO schtick was true, better some hackjob pushing buttons than the now mythical "Good centrist republican". And that, shock, voters are actually more motivated by promises (however twisted) of jobs and protection for them rather than tax cuts for "job creators" and the upper tier.

It proves that money and "scientific & data driven" tools are not the end all be all (though in absolute not a problem, but this time round it's not really "quality" winning over "quantity"...).

It proves without a doubt that mainstream media, pollsters, analysts and a lot of urban voters do in fact live in a bubble and were totally unable to really have a finger on the pulse of large part of the country, despite being aware of the potential issue (and their best efforts to take it into account). That the divide between the establishment and some of the population is very stark, with perceptions almost foreign from one another (Clinton probably did not "win" the debates for a lot of voters...).

There's no way out of this as long as the establishment left is refusing to challenge the decade long dogma that there is no alternative free trade and global markets and that glorious economic liberalism (with no attached commitment to social rights or ecology, too) will ultimately smooth everything over for everyone (those decent labor laws will ultimately come to China and Bangladesh, in two centuries or so !).

EDIT : Hindsight is that there was some massive complacency to the point of borderline delusion from the Clinton camp. "Republican women are totally gonna secretly vote massively for Hillary guys !"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: daemon on November 09, 2016, 05:46:46 AM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 03:14:11 AM

Quote

There will likely be reams of data coming in during the next few weeks and just what really happened today. However, one thing stood out above all else from the presidential exit polls:

http://www.cnn.com/election/results/exit-polls

29% of Latinos overall supported Trump, that is 2% higher than Mitt Romney's number 4 years ago

8% of Blacks overall supported Trump, that is also 2% higher than Mitt Romney's number 4 years ago

29% Asians supported Trump as well, higher than expected

53% of White Women supported Trump, even AFTER the Access Hollywood tapes and allegations of probable molestations

The die is cast. Trump won because the demographics most ostensibly hostile to him in theory, were not in reality

That is unexpected to say the least.

It is kinda unexpected, but to be fair, that segregation by is how democrats see the population, while that 29% of latinos, 8% of blacks, 29% of asians see themselves as americans. A single group. They don't see themselves as something that needs to be preserved due to their origin of birth or genes, they're now part of the nation, and if any american gets a new opportunity, they do too. As long as they're legal of course.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 06:34:23 AM

https://twitter.com/blackmirror/status/796192757836554240

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Post by: Rufus on November 09, 2016, 06:49:24 AM

Sigh :goty

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 07:18:05 AM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zKVq-P3z5Vg

Maybe if y'all practiced more and preached a little less this shit wouldn't have happened.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 07:37:27 AM

Trump already fulfilling his promises : I am tired of him winning so much.

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Post by: Trurl on November 09, 2016, 07:45:54 AM

Will Hillary leave the country before Trump is inaugurated?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 07:49:10 AM

Quote from: Trurl on November 09, 2016, 07:45:54 AM

Will Hillary leave the country before Trump is inaugurated?

If I were them I'd definitely GTFO. Their pay for play is going to be looked at way worse now that she has nothing to offer the party.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 07:51:58 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 07:49:10 AM

Quote from: Trurl on November 09, 2016, 07:45:54 AM

Will Hillary leave the country before Trump is inaugurated?

If I were them I'd definitely GTFO. Their pay for play is going to be looked at way worse now that she has nothing to offer the party.

I'd attend a luau tonight if the main course was Debbie Wassermann Schultz.

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 07:53:13 AM

https://twitter.com/blackmirror/status/796192757836554240

(http://i.imgur.com/Ezjt5Zy.jpg)

Being able to predict a UK Prime Minister fucked a pig and now a Cartoon character got into office  :brazilcry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 07:55:55 AM

I thinkbig there is one thing positive about this whole thing it's that it will be nice to how millenials take their L's. So far, so shitty. I mean one new guy is blaming Steve Youngblood's moderation style for the election already :lawd

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 07:55:56 AM

Quote from: Trurl on November 09, 2016, 07:45:54 AM

Will Hillary leave the country before Trump is inaugurated?

I'm curious if Trump will really follow up on the whole "Lock her up" bullshit with some petty lawsuits. I'm convinced he's in this, moreso than your usual politician, to service his ego and line his pockets and that it's not in his interest to shake down the whole establishment to do so or to tear the whole country apart... but really, who can tell with him ? And he must keep at all costs some veneer of being the outsider, the maverick. And to do so he must give bones to his base.

I guess you could extend the question to most of the crazy policies he spouted about : I certainly expect a lot more fences along the southern border, more stringent immigration laws, more deportations but not the full blown million wide "Operation Wetback and Radical Moozlims II". Or so I hope.

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 07:58:14 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 07:55:56 AM

Quote from: Trurl on November 09, 2016, 07:45:54 AM

Will Hillary leave the country before Trump is inaugurated?

I'm curious if Trump will really follow up on the whole "Lock her up" bullshit with some petty lawsuits. I'm convinced he's in this, moreso than your usual politician, to service his ego and line his pockets and that it's not in his interest to shake down the whole establishment to do so or to tear the whole country apart... but really, who can tell with him ? And he must keep at all costs some veneer of being the outsider, the maverick. And to do so he must give bones to his base.

I guess you could extend the question to most of the crazy policies he spouted about : I certainly expect a lot more fences along the southern border, more stringent immigration laws, more deportations but not the full blown million wide "Operation Wetback and Radical Moozlims II". Or so I hope.

Are you kidding me? You libtards will be glad to push Clinton into a fire now, lol.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 08:13:39 AM

I am not an American, I couldn't care less about the Clintons, by all means if there's actual wrong doing suspected please bring it out to your courts for a fair trial. A Trump presidency actively pursuing a defeated opponent to "lock her up" (or to riff on another favorite Trump theme : actively trying to prove Obama is a secret muslim with a fake US birth certificate) wouldn't however look very good and send the least promising signal on respecting the core tenants of a liberal democracy (Trump has said several times he was in favor of much more stringent libel/slander laws too : not unacceptable by democratic standards but not exactly conductive to freedom of speech and press either). Plus, as I said, I have my doubts Trump will really be the one to tear down "oligarchs" but may be wrong : Putin did exactly just that, with some ambivalence with how much of it was justified and of much was silencing opponents.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 08:21:32 AM

Maybe a wall isn't such a bad idea. We need the stimulus spending, construction jobs, etc.

Oh god.

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 08:24:24 AM

Europe markets already on a bounce back from the morning fall and Asian markets made a recovery till close after a fall. All eyes on the US Markets as if they depress further it's going to be Brexit on steroids.

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Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 08:26:27 AM

I'm looking forward to the reboot of Olympus Has Fallen, where we all root for the subverted Secret Service Agent and his elite cadre of Korean fighters.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 08:26:41 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 08:21:32 AM

Maybe a wall isn't such a bad idea. We need the stimulus spending, construction jobs, etc.

Oh god.

I'm already investing in Russian construction companies.


side note: Can't believe it's 12 hours later and they haven't even officially called Minnesota yet. What a failure for Clinton.

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 08:28:06 AM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwy9u76UAAAPC3y.jpg)

:dead

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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 09, 2016, 08:35:03 AM

Yeah shit sucks. What can you say. You could see the handwriting on the wall last night which is why I went to bed. I felt like shit.
It's gonna be a hard thing to deal with for the next 4 to 8 eight years. And the implications are quite scary on many levels.
There is a lot of analysis that will be done but I'm not in the mood for it at the moment. Just want to wallow in the despair for a couple of days.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 08:46:01 AM

Don't know if it'll hold up over the next couple of weeks, but Hillary currently has a narrow lead in the popular vote.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 08:51:05 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 08:46:01 AM

Don't know if it'll hold up over the next couple of weeks, but Hillary currently has a narrow lead in the popular vote.

Doesn't really change anything though ?
She also could have won with a mere 100k or so more votes in MI, WI and PA. I guess studies will tell soon enough, but a lot of those Trump votes up there probably came from people with solid records as blue voters in the past...

EDIT : Or maybe with higher turnouts elsewhere too :yeshrug still the fact remains that the "most advanced data driven campaign in history" either failed to secure their base or couldn't identify massive weaknesses.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 08:57:40 AM

AiA is right (and was about a lot of other shit):

dems need to burn down the party establishment that brought this about.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/the_democratic_party_establishment_is_finished_after_trump.html

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 08:58:22 AM

Well if Newt's involved maybe we'll get a consolation moon base

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Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 09:01:48 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 08:51:05 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 08:46:01 AM

Don't know if it'll hold up over the next couple of weeks, but Hillary currently has a narrow lead in the popular vote.

Doesn't really change anything though ?
She also could have won with a mere 100k or so more votes in MI, WI and PA. I guess studies will tell soon enough, but a lot of those Trump votes up there probably came from people with solid records as blue voters in the past...

EDIT : Or maybe with higher turnouts elsewhere too :yeshrug still the fact remains that the "most advanced data driven campaign in history" either failed to secure their base or couldn't identify massive weaknesses.

anecdotal, but I knew a few registered Dems here in FL who voted for Trump

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Post by: Rufus on November 09, 2016, 09:02:17 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcZTTB10_Vo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 09:03:00 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 08:51:05 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 08:46:01 AM

Don't know if it'll hold up over the next couple of weeks, but Hillary currently has a narrow lead in the popular vote.

Doesn't really change anything though ?

No, just shows what an incredibly devise election this has been.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 09:17:08 AM

2016: The year of blowing a 3:1 lead

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Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 09:17:53 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 08:21:32 AM

Maybe a wall isn't such a bad idea. We need the stimulus spending, construction jobs, etc.

Oh god.

 :lol :lol

But seriously, Trump is screwed if he doesn't "bring jobs back." He better goddamn hope Tech companies will listen to him strong-arming them into doing manufacturing the iPhone/whatevers here.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 09:23:48 AM

This gifs are even better today

(https://67.media.tumblr.com/bdc35440cf11c5cb0c51b5930517219f/tumblr_ofm2q6BVdu1sk9i0co1_500.gif)

(http://akns-images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/2016925/rs_720x404-161025103352-0DP7c98_-_Imgur.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 09:27:20 AM

last night could not have gone more terribly. my girlfriend and i traded being the strong one and comforting each other. my girlfriend has a lot of friends who are going to be directly negatively affected by this and the realization that this is the world we live in for the next 4 years was honestly too much to handle. i don't know what to do, myself. it's a living nightmare, tbh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 09:28:26 AM

Is Trump going to build an actual wall?

Or is he going to say that the wall is a metaphor for tightening immigration legislation?

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 09:29:31 AM

I'm hoping for an actual wall.

Hadrians Wall
Great Wall
Trumps Wall

And remember Mexico is paying.

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 09:30:06 AM

The first president to wear a wig since Madison?

See, Trump really does honor the tradition of the founding fathers.

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Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 09:30:51 AM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 09:28:26 AM

Is Trump going to build an actual wall?

Or is he going to say that the wall is a metaphor for tightening immigration legislation?

Probably both, but who knows with him.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 09:36:54 AM

Not to go full Green Shinobi, but I sorta hope everyone who voted for Hillary in the primary because "she's more electable!" steps on a lego getting out of the shower today

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:40:50 AM

Since lyte edge locked and, after a while, deleted my thread because he got triggered by it let me summarize this for you, SJWs only have themselves to blame.

Holier than thou morons like the neogaf hugbox brigade that turned many normal people into Trumptards with their hateful rhetoric, authoritarianism, divisive language and identity politics obsession are responsible for this mess. I watched live as reddit turned from an overwhelmingly liberal site to a Trump haven thanks to the site's mods and admins who heavily antagonized the userbase with their obnoxious hipster attitude that translated to censorship and manipulation of the site to shove down our throats their ideology. And reddit isn't some random site, it's the 8th most popular site in the country, it's a community that actually influences opinion in the country.

Corporate media also followed the SJW narrative for purely self serving reasons since a divided and distracted middle class is perfect for their rich bosses. The same of course applies for Hollywood and the rich pretentious fucks that live there. These two groups though only emboldened Trump because people were sick and tired of their hypocritical shit.

Being accused of having privilege when you're dirt poor must be fucking enraging, honestly I kind of understand the reaction of these people, even though I can't forgive it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: demi on November 09, 2016, 09:43:54 AM

I deleted your thread, sorry.

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Post by: bork on November 09, 2016, 09:44:02 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:40:50 AM

Since lyte edge locked and, after a while, deleted my thread because he got triggered by it

Locked?  Yes.  Deleted? No.  Triggered?  That would be you, who proceeded to spam me with PMs.   :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 09:46:28 AM

It's kind of dumb to make sweeping generalizations in an election that was won in the margins. Basically there were just enough people that didn't want to vote for Clinton because she represented everything they hated about D.C.

Either they stayed home or they voted for Trump/third party.

She lost in the same places in America where Obama beat her and Bernie beat her.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 09:47:09 AM

i'm not going to say i feel sorry for hilary clinton. like she's gonna be fine. but the message that was just sent to little girls all across the world is terrifying.

be an ambitious person who works their entire life building their career
have all of it thrown away by some rich white guy who decided to do it as a hobby.

that's not to say she deserved to win because she's a woman. but the message that simply being a women means you already are starting from behind has been strongly enforced.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 09:50:16 AM

Hillary didnt lose because she is a woman

Its not sending a message to "girls across the world" because in many places women are already in charge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:53:41 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:40:50 AM

Since lyte edge locked and, after a while, deleted my thread because he got triggered by it let me summarize this for you, SJWs only have themselves to blame.

Holier than thou morons like the neogaf hugbox brigade that turned many normal people into Trumptards with their hateful rhetoric, authoritarianism, divisive language and identity politics obsession are responsible for this mess. I watched live as reddit turned from an overwhelmingly liberal site to a Trump haven thanks to the site's mods and admins who heavily antagonized the userbase with their obnoxious hipster attitude that translated to censorship and manipulation of the site to shove down our throats their ideology.

Corporate media also followed the SJW narrative for purely self serving reasons since a divided and distracted middle class is perfect for their rich bosses. The same of course applies for Hollywood and the rich pretentious fucks that live there. These two groups though only emboldened Trump because people were sick and tired of their hypocritical shit.

Being accused of having privilege when you're dirt poor must be fucking enraging, honestly I kind of understand the reaction of these people, even though I can't forgive it.

Shut the fuck up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:54:49 AM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 09:47:09 AM

i'm not going to say i feel sorry for hilary clinton. like she's gonna be fine. but the message that was just sent to little girls all across the world is terrifying.

be an ambitious person who works their entire life building their career
have all of it thrown away by some rich white guy who decided to do it as a hobby.

that's not to say she deserved to win because she's a woman. but the message that simply being a women means you already are starting from behind has been strongly enforced.

Shut the fuck up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:56:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:53:41 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:40:50 AM

Since lyte edge locked and, after a while, deleted my thread because he got triggered by it let me summarize this for you, SJWs only have themselves to blame.

Holier than thou morons like the neogaf hugbox brigade that turned many normal people into Trumptards with their hateful rhetoric, authoritarianism, divisive language and identity politics obsession are responsible for this mess. I watched live as reddit turned from an overwhelmingly liberal site to a Trump haven thanks to the site's mods and admins who heavily antagonized the userbase with their obnoxious hipster attitude that translated to censorship and manipulation of the site to shove down our throats their ideology.

Corporate media also followed the SJW narrative for purely self serving reasons since a divided and distracted middle class is perfect for their rich bosses. The same of course applies for Hollywood and the rich pretentious fucks that live there. These two groups though only emboldened Trump because people were sick and tired of their hypocritical shit.

Being accused of having privilege when you're dirt poor must be fucking enraging, honestly I kind of understand the reaction of these people, even though I can't forgive it.

Shut the fuck up.

And as per usual they've learned nothing from their overwhelming defeat...

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:57:37 AM

This new fucktard thinks I'm an SJW and a liberal, awesome.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 09:58:31 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:56:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:53:41 AM

Shut the fuck up.

And as per usual they've learned nothing from their overwhelming defeat...

Be perma-triggered by a Republican telling you you're insane, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 09:58:49 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 09:50:16 AM

Hillary didnt lose because she is a woman

Its not sending a message to "girls across the world" because in many places women are already in charge

Hasn't happened in America. And frankly, the person who beat her is a chronic sexual bully who spouted some European far-right populism. Right now Hillary is ahead by a little bit in popular vote but between the combination of a fucked up electoral college system and a culture of excusing sexual misconduct, American women didn't get shit in progress.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:59:42 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:57:37 AM

This new fucktard thinks I'm an SJW and a liberal, awesome.

If you had communicated like an actual human being instead of a rude dipshit then I might have reached a different conclusion?

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Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 10:01:00 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:59:42 AM

If you had communicated like an actual human being instead of a rude dipshit then I might have reached a different conclusion?

That's why it's important to lurk before you post. Otherwise you look like a jackass.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 10:01:19 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:59:42 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:57:37 AM

This new fucktard thinks I'm an SJW and a liberal, awesome.

If you had communicated like an actual human being instead of a rude dipshit then I might have reached a different conclusion?

Worked for president Trump breh....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 10:07:14 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 10:01:00 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:59:42 AM

If you had communicated like an actual human being instead of a rude dipshit then I might have reached a different conclusion?

That's why it's important to lurk before you post. Otherwise you look like a jackass.

Are you suggesting that I should remember each and every poster from every single forum I visit in order to avoid "looking like a jackass"? Haha, no thanks man.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 10:09:30 AM

Something tells me you will remember this one

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 10:09:41 AM

No. He's saying you should tone down your Trigglypuff.

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Post by: Rufus on November 09, 2016, 10:09:51 AM

I guess popping in randomly to dump a diatribe (with sentiments which were actually shared by others in several threads) in a forum you don't actually post in regularly is the more human way to communicate.

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 10:10:45 AM

Just ordered a few 'Impeach Trump' bumper stickers.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

No I didn't. Using your vehicle for a soapbox is deplorable on both sides.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 10:17:44 AM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 09:50:16 AM

Hillary didnt lose because she is a woman

Its not sending a message to "girls across the world" because in many places women are already in charge

Hilary didn't lose for any one reason. She lost for a lot of reasons. One being that she's a woman.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 10:19:19 AM

Hillary being a woman is the least of her issues. Yes there are a few out there that wouldn't vote for a woman, but those people are vastly outnumbered by the number of things that Clinton had as baggage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 10:21:44 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 10:10:45 AM

Just ordered a few 'Impeach Trump' bumper stickers.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

No I didn't. Using your vehicle for a soapbox is deplorable on both sides.

[close]

Those Jesus saves stickers always get a chuckle out of me.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Especially if they are plastered on the car of a dude that just got tboned by a bus  :rash

[close]

Too dark  :fbm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 10:27:14 AM

Im at work.

Im not working.

Is there a point?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 10:27:41 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:56:11 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:53:41 AM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 09:40:50 AM

Since lyte edge locked and, after a while, deleted my thread because he got triggered by it let me summarize this for you, SJWs only have themselves to blame.

Holier than thou morons like the neogaf hugbox brigade that turned many normal people into Trumptards with their hateful rhetoric, authoritarianism, divisive language and identity politics obsession are responsible for this mess. I watched live as reddit turned from an overwhelmingly liberal site to a Trump haven thanks to the site's mods and admins who heavily antagonized the userbase with their obnoxious hipster attitude that translated to censorship and manipulation of the site to shove down our throats their ideology.

Corporate media also followed the SJW narrative for purely self serving reasons since a divided and distracted middle class is perfect for their rich bosses. The same of course applies for Hollywood and the rich pretentious fucks that live there. These two groups though only emboldened Trump because people were sick and tired of their hypocritical shit.

Being accused of having privilege when you're dirt poor must be fucking enraging, honestly I kind of understand the reaction of these people, even though I can't forgive it.

Shut the fuck up.

And as per usual they've learned nothing from their overwhelming defeat...

Welcome to the Bore. Here's your bite stick.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 10:30:07 AM

Oh look Trump had 47% of the vote.

Poetic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:30:56 AM

2016 really is the Hollywood remake of 2000 that no one wanted: A dull Democrat with Clinton baggage losing to a total buffoon, despite winning the popular vote.

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Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 10:35:00 AM

Al Gore 2020

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 10:35:14 AM

I need some nice refreshing California

Oakland Sugary Drinks -YES
Measure M - LA Traffic Improvement - YES
San Francisco Soda and Sugary Beverage Tax Measure - YES
Albany Soda and Sugary Beverage Tax Measure - YES
Legalize Marijuana - YES
Background Checks for Ammunition Purchases and Large-Capacity Ammunition Magazine Ban Initiative - YES
Voter Approval for Bonds - NO
Extension of the Proposition 30 Income Tax Increase Initiative - YES
Increase Cigarette Tax - YES
Repeal English-Only Education - YES

Would you look at that. An almost liberal sweep (death penalty repeal lost).

Hm, maybe running a right of center wall street stooge was a mistake?

Maybe running a leftist platform was the solution?

Some kind of Bernie revolution?

Fuck you DNC

Secession soon.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 10:36:39 AM

Quote

Turnout for the presidential election in Wisconsin appears to be a 20-year low.

Turnout in Tuesday’s election was about 66 percent of the voting age population, based on unofficial results. Nearly all precincts were reporting Wednesday morning.

More than 2.9 million people voted in Wisconsin’s Senate race, about 3,000 more than did in the presidential. The Wisconsin Elections Commission predicted about 3.1 million would cast ballots, which would have been roughly a 69 percent turnout.

If that number holds, it will be the lowest since 1996 when turnout was 58 percent. The past two presidential elections turnout was at or near 70 percent.

http://fox6now.com/2016/11/09/wisconsin-election-turnout-near-20-year-low/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 10:39:11 AM

So when will the self reflection think pieces start to pop up about the Democratic party?  Will they actually heed it or shake it off after a couple of months and dig in deeper a la the GOP in 2008 and 2012?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:40:17 AM

Some good election news from Oklahoma:

-A dumb farm bill designed to help factory farms and hurt animal rights activists got shot down.
-A bill removing a law that kept the state from spending money on religions got shot down.
-Two laws dealing with bumping down certain drug offenses from felony to misdemeanor passed.
-Booze bill passed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 10:39:11 AM

So when will the self reflection think pieces start to pop up about the Democratic party?  Will they actually heed it or shake it off after a couple of months and dig in deeper a la the GOP in 2008 and 2012?

It doesnt really feel like anyone's learned anything with all the blame flying around, but it's only been a couple of hours so lets see where we are in a couple of weeks i guess

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 09, 2016, 10:42:40 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 10:39:11 AM

So when will the self reflection think pieces start to pop up about the Democratic party?  Will they actually heed it or shake it off after a couple of months and dig in deeper a la the GOP in 2008 and 2012?

They've already started. Whether they stick is anyone's guess.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/the_democratic_party_establishment_is_finished_after_trump.html

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 10:43:04 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:40:17 AM

Some good election news from Oklahoma:

-A dumb farm bill designed to help factory farms and hurt animal rights activists got shot down.
-A bill removing a law that kept the state from spending money on religions got shot down.
-Two laws dealing with bumping down certain drug offenses from felony to misdemeanor passed.
-Booze bill passed.

The referendum level seems to be good all over. NJ tied gas tax to transport funding. Florida rejected the bad solar bill.

People came out and voted left.

But they had no leftist candidate to vote for.

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Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 10:43:53 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 10:35:14 AM

I need some nice refreshing California

Oakland Sugary Drinks -YES
Measure M - LA Traffic Improvement - YES
San Francisco Soda and Sugary Beverage Tax Measure - YES
Albany Soda and Sugary Beverage Tax Measure - YES
Legalize Marijuana - YES
Background Checks for Ammunition Purchases and Large-Capacity Ammunition Magazine Ban Initiative - YES
Voter Approval for Bonds - NO
Extension of the Proposition 30 Income Tax Increase Initiative - YES
Increase Cigarette Tax - YES
Repeal English-Only Education - YES

Would you look at that. An almost liberal sweep (death penalty repeal lost).

Hm, maybe running a right of center wall street stooge was a mistake?

Maybe running a leftist platform was the solution?

Some kind of Bernie revolution?

Fuck you DNC

Secession soon.

Prop 66 (which is disgusting) will comfortably pass. Maybe smoking 100% legal weed will help Californians ignore the fact that our criminal justice system now more closely resembles the one used by Texas. Fuck you I got mine is, if nothing else, a bipartisan mindset.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 10:43:55 AM

Quote from: Momo on November 09, 2016, 10:42:20 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 10:39:11 AM

So when will the self reflection think pieces start to pop up about the Democratic party?  Will they actually heed it or shake it off after a couple of months and dig in deeper a la the GOP in 2008 and 2012?

It doesnt really feel like anyone's learned anything with all the blame flying around, but it's only been a couple of hours so lets see where we are in a couple of weeks i guess

• Blame Jill Stein
• Blame Bernie Sanders
• Blame the media for reporting on news

= Cuomo / Schumer 2020!

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Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 10:48:21 AM

Meanwhile...Ohio is okay with Trump but hates weed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:54:31 AM

Only genuinely good thing to come out of last night was Tammy Duckworth body slamming Mark Kirk to get into the Senate.

Warren/Duckworth 2020 here we come, baby.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 10:55:00 AM

who to blame? the fucking people who voted for trump. there's no one else to blame.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 10:55:03 AM

Quote

GAF - did we just completely ignore how unlikeable Hillary was in the US?

Well, everyone who said anything negative about her was banned, so theres that

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 09, 2016, 10:58:27 AM

Oklahoma and Nebraska both voted to keep the death penalty.

California voted to SPEED UP THE PROCESS.

I fucking hate this country sometimes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 10:58:49 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 09:17:53 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 08:21:32 AM

Maybe a wall isn't such a bad idea. We need the stimulus spending, construction jobs, etc.

Oh god.

 :lol :lol

But seriously, Trump is screwed if he doesn't "bring jobs back." He better goddamn hope Tech companies will listen to him strong-arming them into doing manufacturing the iPhone/whatevers here.

Cue them laughing and saying they will tell him to fuck off since they can relocate their global HQ's to Ireland/Netherlands/Wherever else in the EU they are currently based and getting tax breaks while continue to use Chinese and Mexican manufacturing facilities.   

He's fucked on that promise before he's even started. Who's going to invest in a country who elected someone with no economic plan? Every multinational will just put more jobs in the EU market instead.

Germany won, brehs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 11:00:24 AM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 10:55:00 AM

who to blame? the fucking people who voted for trump. there's no one else to blame.

You should stop thinking about blame, find out why people voted for an obvious buffoon and in the next cycle try and come together with them and find a candidate that will both satiate their needs (where sane) and at the same time ride in on a progressive platform free of big money. Blame is just repeating the dumb cycle I feel

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:02:16 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:30:56 AM

2016 really is the Hollywood remake of 2000 that no one wanted: A dull Democrat with Clinton baggage losing to a total buffoon, despite winning the popular vote.

But Bore told me there is no baggage

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 11:04:08 AM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on November 09, 2016, 10:58:27 AM

Oklahoma and Nebraska both voted to keep the death penalty.

California voted to SPEED UP THE PROCESS.

I fucking hate this country sometimes.

"Law and order", Trumps one and only policy, was clearly the winner

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 11:10:25 AM

concession speech, Speaker of the House, then the president in an hour

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 11:11:32 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2016, 11:10:25 AM

concession speech, Speaker of the House, then the president in an hour

When's the Speaker of House's concession speech?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

My son asked me what would happen to us, "because we're latino" and my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: bork on November 09, 2016, 11:15:00 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

 :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 11:18:08 AM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 11:11:32 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 09, 2016, 11:10:25 AM

concession speech, Speaker of the House, then the president in an hour

When's the Speaker of House's concession speech?

right now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 11:21:40 AM

Sure didn't take long for DJIA to bounce back from the after-hours estimates.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: daemon on November 09, 2016, 11:23:14 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 10:55:03 AM

Quote

GAF - did we just completely ignore how unlikeable Hillary was in the US?

Well, everyone who said anything negative about her was banned, so theres that

+9001

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 11:26:28 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

My son asked me what would happen to us, "because we're latino" and my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

I wonder if sales of passport holders will go up. Dont go to the pharmacy without it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 11:29:52 AM

Was doing alright at containing my rage this morning until I saw idiot Facebook posts about "respecting the majority"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:31:36 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

My son asked me what would happen to us, "because we're latino" and my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

:(  That's rough man.  I'm worried about my brother in law and sister in law.  They are here legally under DAPA which I imagine will be scrapped early in 2017 and then who knows what's in store for them after that. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 11:34:09 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:31:36 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

My son asked me what would happen to us, "because we're latino" and my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

:(  That's rough man.  I'm worried about my brother in law and sister in law.  They are here legally under DAPA which I imagine will be scrapped early in 2017 and then who knows what's in store for them after that.

I have a cousin who is here illegally. Overstayed her visa.

(She came to the US after her husband cheater on her, so she moved in with her mom to figure things out).

Her sister married a cop and went full Trump.

Christmas will be fun.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:38:41 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 11:34:09 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:31:36 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

My son asked me what would happen to us, "because we're latino" and my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

:(  That's rough man.  I'm worried about my brother in law and sister in law.  They are here legally under DAPA which I imagine will be scrapped early in 2017 and then who knows what's in store for them after that.

I have a cousin who is here illegally. Overstayed her visa.

(She came to the US after her husband cheater on her, so she moved in with her mom to figure things out).

Her sister married a cop and went full Trump.

Christmas will be fun.

Yeesh.  Yeah, my in laws are all immigrants from El Salvador and most of them are full Trumptards with no regard to what that might mean for some of their family.  It's disgusting.  I'm not going to hold back on reminding them that they helped to put their own blood in this position.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:38:41 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 11:29:52 AM

Was doing alright at containing my rage this morning until I saw idiot Facebook posts about "respecting the majority"

Fuck 'em. They didn't respect it when Obama won. No reason to respect to them now.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 11:39:49 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:38:41 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 11:29:52 AM

Was doing alright at containing my rage this morning until I saw idiot Facebook posts about "respecting the majority"

Fuck 'em. They didn't respect it when Obama won. No reason to respect to them now.

They aren't even the majority anyway.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 11:40:33 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:38:41 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 11:34:09 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:31:36 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

My son asked me what would happen to us, "because we're latino" and my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

:(  That's rough man.  I'm worried about my brother in law and sister in law.  They are here legally under DAPA which I imagine will be scrapped early in 2017 and then who knows what's in store for them after that.

I have a cousin who is here illegally. Overstayed her visa.

(She came to the US after her husband cheater on her, so she moved in with her mom to figure things out).

Her sister married a cop and went full Trump.

Christmas will be fun.

Yeesh.  Yeah, my in laws are all immigrants from El Salvador and most of them are full Trumptards with no regard to what that might mean for some of their family.  It's disgusting.  I'm not going to hold back on reminding them that they helped to put their own blood in this position.

She actually bought the "Hillary supports aborting babies on the last day of pregnancy" as her number 1 reason to support Trump. Number 2 was black crime (her husband is a cop remember)

If her sister is deported and her daughter is left with a mother in mexico and an absentee dad somewhere in europe, then what? Who cares right.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mr Gilhaney on November 09, 2016, 11:43:16 AM

This all comes down to Hillary not embracing Dat Boi meme. While Trump loved Pepe the Frog, and was well happy with this, Hillary just could not accept a frog on a bicycle. Why? We might never know, but if she did, the meme war would have been more even, and she would have won.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 11:43:36 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 11:39:49 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:38:41 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 11:29:52 AM

Was doing alright at containing my rage this morning until I saw idiot Facebook posts about "respecting the majority"

Fuck 'em. They didn't respect it when Obama won. No reason to respect to them now.

They aren't even the majority anyway.

Exactly :maf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: daemon on November 09, 2016, 11:47:49 AM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:38:41 AM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 11:29:52 AM

Was doing alright at containing my rage this morning until I saw idiot Facebook posts about "respecting the majority"

Fuck 'em. They didn't respect it when Obama won. No reason to respect to them now.

so what you're saying essentially is that the other side isn't any better at taking a loss.

were there public manifestations on the hour obama got elected though?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 11:54:03 AM

This feels more 2004 than 2008 despite the comparisons with the EC/popular vote differences. We knew exactly what demons this guy has but a significant portion of America believed he was their only salvation and the Democrats didn't care enough to make an effort, believing the result was set in stone.

Now expect a horrible few years as we head for a cyclical recession compounded with more expensive health care and higher debt. It's gonna be fucking rough before some Democratic candidate can campaign on restoring Obama's policies.

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 10:27:14 AM

Im at work.

Im not working.

Is there a point?

My workplace is a skeleton crew today. So I took the opportunity to yell FUCK at the totally empty cube farm. It felt good.

Consoling crying secretaries isn't going to get easier.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 11:56:06 AM

Real Charlie Sykes Verified account
‏@SykesCharlie

Trump won Wisconsin because Dems didn't turnout: Bush 2004 - 1,478,120; Romney 2012 - 1,410,966; Trump 2016 - 1,407,401

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:56:23 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 11:40:33 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:38:41 AM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 11:34:09 AM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 11:31:36 AM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 11:13:26 AM

My son asked me what would happen to us, "because we're latino" and my daughter was crying because she's worried that she wont be able to marry the person she wants.  Thanks America.

:(  That's rough man.  I'm worried about my brother in law and sister in law.  They are here legally under DAPA which I imagine will be scrapped early in 2017 and then who knows what's in store for them after that.

I have a cousin who is here illegally. Overstayed her visa.

(She came to the US after her husband cheater on her, so she moved in with her mom to figure things out).

Her sister married a cop and went full Trump.

Christmas will be fun.

Yeesh.  Yeah, my in laws are all immigrants from El Salvador and most of them are full Trumptards with no regard to what that might mean for some of their family.  It's disgusting.  I'm not going to hold back on reminding them that they helped to put their own blood in this position.

She actually bought the "Hillary supports aborting babies on the last day of pregnancy" as her number 1 reason to support Trump. Number 2 was black crime (her husband is a cop remember)

If her sister is deported and her daughter is left with a mother in mexico and an absentee dad somewhere in europe, then what? Who cares right.

Man, that's rough.  I know of some Hispanics here that voted for Trump solely on the basis of abortion.  That kind of priority blows my mind.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 11:58:21 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 11:56:06 AM

Real Charlie Sykes Verified account
‏@SykesCharlie

Trump won Wisconsin because Dems didn't turnout: Bush 2004 - 1,478,120; Romney 2012 - 1,410,966; Trump 2016 - 1,407,401

That was the thing that CNN was showing over and over again last night (in the battleground states).

Hindsight is 20/20, but maybe the Clinton campaign should have copped to a much closer race even though their polling wasn't showing it. Maybe the imminent fear of losing would've brought a few more people out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:02:32 PM

What's the postmortem, did Comey's letter fuck shit up or nah?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:07:14 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 11:54:03 AM

My workplace is a skeleton crew today. So I took the opportunity to yell FUCK at the totally empty cube farm. It felt good.

Consoling crying secretaries isn't going to get easier.

Our two secretaries are Trump. Typical white italian jersey lower middle class.

What they dont appear to understand is that 100% of their salary is thanks to federal grants WHICH PAUL RYAN WILL GUT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 12:08:15 PM

I don't think it mattered.  It was the rust states which would have been about jobs.  Fools.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 12:12:43 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 11:58:21 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 11:56:06 AM

Real Charlie Sykes Verified account
‏@SykesCharlie

Trump won Wisconsin because Dems didn't turnout: Bush 2004 - 1,478,120; Romney 2012 - 1,410,966; Trump 2016 - 1,407,401

That was the thing that CNN was showing over and over again last night (in the battleground states).

Hindsight is 20/20, but maybe the Clinton campaign should have copped to a much closer race even though their polling wasn't showing it. Maybe the imminent fear of losing would've brought a few more people out.

Wisconsin went Blue for Gore, Kerry and Obama as well. Huge oversight, but then it was also a state Bernie was hugely popular in so it was going to be an uphill battle to get dems to vote Clinton. It's a state Bernie or Biden would have easily taken, in hindsight.

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:02:32 PM

What's the postmortem, did Comey's letter fuck shit up or nah?

Nope. Republicans came out. Dems stayed at home, even in states that removed voters' rights there was a much less lower turnout than Obama. Would have happened even with the emails being a non-factor since it seems like it was dissatisfaction with Clinton by Dems is what did them in.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 12:14:30 PM

GAF - Kanye should run for president  :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:21:09 PM

Fuck Im going to Burger King

I already feel like trash, might as well eat trash as well

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 12:23:21 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:07:14 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 11:54:03 AM

My workplace is a skeleton crew today. So I took the opportunity to yell FUCK at the totally empty cube farm. It felt good.

Consoling crying secretaries isn't going to get easier.

Our two secretaries are Trump. Typical white italian jersey lower middle class.

What they dont appear to understand is that 100% of their salary is thanks to federal grants WHICH PAUL RYAN WILL GUT

smh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 12:26:45 PM

http://berniewouldhavewonit.com/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 09, 2016, 12:31:33 PM

Man Obama will be missed.  That was a good speech.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:33:49 PM

Right now, just really hoping we make it through these four years without some major 9/11-style terrorist attack.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 09, 2016, 12:36:39 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 10:55:00 AM

who to blame? the fucking people who voted for trump. there's no one else to blame.

great idea moron, we can just tell them not to vote.

blame people smart enough to know not to vote trump but who didn't vote.
blame the shitty system that created the apathy, sure - but you HAVE to work within it while you're in it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 12:40:49 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:21:09 PM

Fuck Im going to Burger King

I already feel like trash, might as well eat trash as well

Pretty sure Taco Bell is open

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 12:41:42 PM

Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on November 09, 2016, 12:36:39 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 10:55:00 AM

who to blame? the fucking people who voted for trump. there's no one else to blame.

great idea moron, we can just tell them not to vote.

blame people smart enough to know not to vote trump but who didn't vote.
blame the shitty system that created the apathy, sure - but you HAVE to work within it while you're in it.

I guess the loss will still fall on a lot of deaf ears.  You can't shrug off legitimate concerns of the population and then blame those people for turning to the one that was addressing them. 

Work in the energy industry? LOL I don't care! We'll put you out of business!
Scared of immigration and terrorism? SHUT UP RACIST
Your job is moving overseas? GET A STEM DEGREE, DUDE!
Why didn't you vote for us??

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 12:53:31 PM

reuters

- 75 percent agree that "America needs a strong leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful."

- 72 percent agree "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful."

- 68 percent agree that "traditional parties and politicians don’t care about people like me."

- 76 percent believe "the mainstream media is more interested in making money than telling the truth."

Sounds like a candidate I know...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 12:58:39 PM

Sanders campaign statement on CNN: "We have nothing polite to say right now."  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 01:02:25 PM

i'm pretty angry rn so i'm out here blaming whoever tf i can.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 09, 2016, 01:02:33 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 12:53:31 PM

reuters

- 75 percent agree that "America needs a strong leader to take the country back from the rich and powerful."

- 72 percent agree "the American economy is rigged to advantage the rich and powerful."

- 68 percent agree that "traditional parties and politicians don’t care about people like me."

- 76 percent believe "the mainstream media is more interested in making money than telling the truth."

Sounds like a candidate I know...

but bernie was a jewish democrat. that's what white baby boomers are actually thinking when they say 'rich and powerful' and 'mainstream media'. also, any attempts at actually fixing the problems they've correctly identified are 'socialsim', and that's wrong. they're very, very, very stupid and they were never going to vote for him. it came down to younger people and they blew it. them and the dnc.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 01:03:52 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 12:58:39 PM

Sanders campaign statement on CNN: "We have nothing polite to say right now."  :doge

Gatdamn

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 01:05:00 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 12:21:09 PM

Fuck Im going to Burger King

I already feel like trash, might as well eat trash as well

Come on dude. At least have some dignity and eat at Steak n Shake or Five Guys.

or if you are feeling really masochistic, do Hardees (Carl Jr.s) instead.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:20:25 PM

Also looking at the 2018 Senate races god damn are dems fucked. :whoo

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 01:22:21 PM

All the smug has turned tout excuses now. I see no reason to continue to lord the karma you have earned for your ignorance over you guys. It's too easy. See ya in 4 years. Hopefully you idiots pick a less criminal minded leader next time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:25:48 PM

Bush was reelected
Nixon was reelected
Scott Walker was reelected...twice
Rick Scott was reelected
Chris Christie was reelected

The future is over.

Global warming will be doubled

Iran will be invaded

BLM will be declared a terrorist group

I have no hope.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 01:28:58 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 12:33:49 PM

Right now, just really hoping we make it through these four years without some major 9/11-style terrorist attack.

Who are you thinking we'd attack?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 01:32:47 PM

Am I off base in thinking that even the slogans sealed Hillary's fate?

"Make America Great Again"  :ohhh

vs.

"I'm with Her"  :what



....she really had no chance at all, did she?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:34:14 PM

Quote from: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 01:32:47 PM

Am I off base in thinking that even the slogans sealed Hillary's fate?

"Make America Great Again"  :ohhh

vs.

"I'm with Her"  :what



....she really had no chance at all, did she?

Her low energy campaign was garbage from start to finish.

She is Martha Coakley.

Oh and Reddit made The_Donald a featured subreddit.

Fuck reddit.

Fuck nerds.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:34:18 PM

Also poor folks with clinton, richer folks with Trump if you're still stupid enough to think this was about the economy.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512 (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 01:43:40 PM

Quote from: Owl-faced Wizard on November 09, 2016, 12:36:39 PM

Quote from: fistfulofmetal on November 09, 2016, 10:55:00 AM

who to blame? the fucking people who voted for trump. there's no one else to blame.

great idea moron, we can just tell them not to vote.

blame people smart enough to know not to vote trump but who didn't vote.
blame the shitty system that created the apathy, sure - but you HAVE to work within it while you're in it.

I agree with you and all but don't call my friend a moron.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:44:01 PM

Hey guys, remember when Obama had a super-majority and decided he didnt need to fix that little problem where you can win the popular vote and lose the election?

I remember

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 01:48:46 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/11/09/yes-we-did-russias-establishment-basks-in-trumps-victory/

All hail our new comrade overlords

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:53:19 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:44:01 PM

Hey guys, remember when Obama had a super-majority and decided he didnt need to fix that little problem where you can win the popular vote and lose the election?

I remember

It still wouldn't have happened, you think 38 states are going to vote to get rid of one of their biggest powers?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 01:55:08 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:34:18 PM

Also poor folks with clinton, richer folks with Trump if you're still stupid enough to think this was about the economy.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512 (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512)

I don't think anyone here disputed that really. What about the numbers for the white working class though ? No one is denying that Trump used a lot of racial baiting in their direction. All we are saying really is that maybe the left could have not bleed a part of those over the years with another economic proposition. (EDIT : And obviously maybe another candidate...)

But maybe we're wrong. Maybe it's a lower turnout, maybe it's some other demographic not showing up in the expected numbers. Or a variety of other factors.

As it stands, the GOP has seized all branches and even a genuinely charismatic candidate like Barack Obama who was able to get people to come out and vote for him couldn't hold the legislative branch just by himself. Appealing to white voters without pandering to prejudice would help Dems lose less in the near to mid future...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 01:56:34 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:53:19 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:44:01 PM

Hey guys, remember when Obama had a super-majority and decided he didnt need to fix that little problem where you can win the popular vote and lose the election?

I remember

It still wouldn't have happened, you think 38 states are going to vote to get rid of one of their biggest powers?

If hed made PR and DC states it would have been even easier.

Instead he led from behind in ana ttempt to compromise.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 01:57:26 PM

Clinton's campaign outspent Trump yet still lost.  7 to 1 on televisions ads and 75 to 1 on radio.

So much for Citizen's United buying elections.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 02:01:36 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 01:57:26 PM

Clinton's campaign outspent Trump 15 to 1.  7 to 1 on televisions ads and 75 to 1 on radio.

So much for Citizen's United buying elections.

California proposition elections have shown that massive media buys do not win.

Speaking of California, Im looking into Kamala Harris and ladies and gentlemen, she is the 2020 Democrat Presidential Candidate.

She literally trips over herself to hit every fucking liberal check box.

California's Attorney General
female
African-American
Indian-American
Asian-American
United States Senator
Raised in Berkeley
Raised in Montreal
Baptist choir
Howard University

Oh and shes attractive too. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamala_Harris#/media/File:Kamala_Harris_Official_Attorney_General_Photo.jpg)

[close]

You heard it here first folks

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 02:04:26 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:56:34 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:53:19 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:44:01 PM

Hey guys, remember when Obama had a super-majority and decided he didnt need to fix that little problem where you can win the popular vote and lose the election?

I remember

It still wouldn't have happened, you think 38 states are going to vote to get rid of one of their biggest powers?

If hed made PR and DC states it would have been even easier.

Instead he led from behind in ana ttempt to compromise.

No, it was never going to happen.  You need two thirds in the house and the senate (which he didn't have) and there's more solidly red states than blue that would never in a million years vote for an Obama led constitutional amendment.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 02:09:33 PM

This now marks the sixth election in the past seven where a Democrat has won the popular vote.

But the second election in the past five where a Democrat has won the popular vote but still lost.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 02:09:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m2valF3s84

Some laughs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 02:19:56 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 02:09:33 PM

This now marks the sixth election in the past seven where a Democrat has won the popular vote.

But the second election in the past five where a Democrat has won the popular vote but still lost.

If this country wasnt so obese wed be flipping over cars and setting buildings on fire

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 02:24:24 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 02:09:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m2valF3s84

Some laughs.

:tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 02:25:00 PM

Quote

Donald Trump has selected one of the best-known climate skeptics to lead his U.S. EPA transition team, according to two sources close to the campaign.

Myron Ebell, director of the Center for Energy and Environment at the conservative Competitive Enterprise Institute, is spearheading Trump’s transition plans for EPA, the sources said.

The Trump team has also lined up leaders for its Energy Department and Interior Department teams. Republican energy lobbyist Mike McKenna is heading the DOE team; former Interior Department solicitor David Bernhardt is leading the effort for that agency, according to sources close to the campaign.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/trump-picks-top-climate-skeptic-to-lead-epa-transition/?wt.mc=SA_Twitter-Share

For my own sanity, at close of business today I will disconnect from all politics for at least a year.

I cannot, and will not handle this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 02:29:22 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 02:24:24 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 02:09:47 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m2valF3s84

Some laughs.

:tocry

Even Colbert couldn't brighten things up. Dark days are ahead.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 02:32:27 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 02:29:22 PM

Even Colbert couldn't brighten things up. Dark days are ahead.

TBH Jon Stewart shared 17% of the blame

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 02:49:03 PM

https://youtu.be/Cv4hsmfgRuI

Hillary truly deserved to be president. I can't imagine Trump being nearly as graceful as this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 03:09:21 PM

Every leader in the world rushing to brown nose already except Angela Merkel.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-elected-us-president-wins-election-response-germany-france-merkel-hollande-putin-a7407426.html

Quote

Merkel says she will work with President-elect if he offers 'respect for human beings, independently of origin, skin colour, religion, gender, sexual orientation or political views'

 Germany not fucking around and already letting him know they won't have his shit. France ain't exactly charmed either. :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 09, 2016, 03:11:01 PM

Have Germans lecture you on race relations as a country breh :tocry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 09, 2016, 03:11:05 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 01:22:21 PM

Hopefully you idiots pick a less criminal minded leader next time.

I'd rather just keep doubling down until it finally works.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 03:11:28 PM

:bow GERMANY :bow2

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 03:17:10 PM

Merkel fuck ups are not inspiring to be honest even if I agree ideologically with her.

The people that love to use Trump rethoric are the ones that are already in odds with her to begin with and wanted him to win.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 09, 2016, 03:19:13 PM

Like when Gore lost to Bush I was upset about the whole popular vote thing but now I just realize if you win that by a slight difference like Hillary but lose the electorate by so much you are playing the game wrong

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 03:21:47 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 09, 2016, 01:57:26 PM

Clinton's campaign outspent Trump yet still lost.  7 to 1 on televisions ads and 75 to 1 on radio.

Would probably have been more cost effective for Hillary to just straight up buy votes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 03:24:00 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 03:19:13 PM

Like when Gore lost to Bush I was upset about the whole popular vote thing but now I just realize if you win that by a slight difference like Hillary but lose the electorate by so much you are playing the game wrong

I kind of agree but is also bad for both candidates and the nation, specially after a bitter fight like that. Even Trump, at least for the moment, needed to aknwoledge the Teleprompter to not cause panic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 03:27:48 PM

Michael David Smith ‏@MichaelDavSmith 6m6 minutes ago

Pundits told us women and Latinos would propel Clinton to victory. Nope. Clinton underperformed 2012 Obama among Latina women by 8 points.

jesus...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: MMaRsu on November 09, 2016, 03:32:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 03:27:48 PM

Michael David Smith ‏@MichaelDavSmith 6m6 minutes ago

Pundits told us women and Latinos would propel Clinton to victory. Nope. Clinton underperformed 2012 Obama among Latina women by 8 points.

jesus...

I guess all these women who voted for him are okay to be grabbed by the pussy on the street now? When can I come to the US to grab some random street pussy

maybe some latino street pussy too

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: headwalk on November 09, 2016, 03:36:50 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 02:49:03 PM

Hillary truly deserved to be president. I can't imagine Trump being nearly as graceful as this.

he might have at least turned up at his own party though.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 03:39:02 PM

Quote from: MMaRsu on November 09, 2016, 03:32:48 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 03:27:48 PM

Michael David Smith ‏@MichaelDavSmith 6m6 minutes ago

Pundits told us women and Latinos would propel Clinton to victory. Nope. Clinton underperformed 2012 Obama among Latina women by 8 points.

jesus...

I guess all these women who voted for him are okay to be grabbed by the pussy on the street now? When can I come to the US to grab some random street pussy

maybe some latino street pussy too

The rationale has been consisntent for better or worse "I dislike Trump but I want to shake things up".

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 03:53:08 PM

https://twitter.com/JebBush/status/796340702464581632

(http://i.imgur.com/zMyzTGZ.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: tiesto on November 09, 2016, 04:02:14 PM

There was some article posted a while back on here where an ivory tower coastal elite Democrat was posting about how it's time to just dump the moribund white working class Middle American. Wish I could find a link cuz it was the perfect summation of the DNC's arrogance this election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 09, 2016, 04:07:39 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 09:57:37 AM

This new fucktard thinks I'm an SJW and a liberal, awesome.

And the only person here to vote Trump at that too
No care for accuracy when you float by a site just to dig at imaginary ess jay double-u's

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

AiA voted for Trump?

:dead

Black republicans :dead

A black man voting for someone endorsed by the KKK. I can't!  :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 09, 2016, 04:18:20 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

AiA voted for Trump?

:dead

Black republicans :dead

Well I assumed he did given his political stance.
Too be fair, I haven't bothered much with political threads anywhere

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 04:20:04 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

AiA voted for Trump?

:dead

Black republicans :dead

A black man voting for someone endorsed by the KKK. I can't!  :neogaf

But this is the reality, and has been for years. And laughing about it is not going to change their point of view.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 04:24:34 PM

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Yep. It still hurts to read since it was completely right then and was proven right last night. :goty :goty2

Anyone point out that all the swing states Hillary lost were won by Bernie during the primaries? Just checking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 04:25:10 PM

Quote from: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 04:20:04 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

AiA voted for Trump?

:dead

Black republicans :dead

A black man voting for someone endorsed by the KKK. I can't!  :neogaf

But this is the reality, and has been for years. And laughing about it is not going to change their point of view.

Who tf are you? What reality? I'm laughing because I can't understand it not because I want to change their view at all. I know for a fact you can't change the view of someone of that raccoon type of leaning.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: MMaRsu on November 09, 2016, 04:25:34 PM

Quote from: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 04:20:04 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

AiA voted for Trump?

:dead

Black republicans :dead

A black man voting for someone endorsed by the KKK. I can't!  :neogaf

But this is the reality, and has been for years. And laughing about it is not going to change their point of view.

So what is? Because sounds to me like a black man voting for a man endorsed by the KKK is like some uncle tom shit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 04:26:34 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 04:24:34 PM

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Yep. It still hurts to read since it was completely right then and was proven right last night. :goty :goty2

Anyone point out that all the swing states Hillary lost were won by Bernie during the primaries? Just checking.

He kinda hit the targets.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 04:30:09 PM

Quote from: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 01:22:30 AM

Well this is just great. I don't like to get personal but I'm going to. I think I'm going a little GAF.

This Thursday I will have been married to my wife for 21 years. She and I have been through some rough times that I'm not willing to share, but tonight I can't look at her. I came into the bedroom and I left before I got upset. I went back in and desperately didn't want to jostle the bed to wake her up.  My wife was raped by two men when she was 18, and had her virginity taken from her. She nebver really dealt with it, and we're trying to explore options to help her to this day, 35 years later. It's hard. On both of us, on our marriage, on our daughter.

And tonight I don't want to tell her that the new President is Donald Trump, oil' take what you want, grab 'em by the pussy, Trump. Every time she moves I get a chill thinking I have to tell her.

I know, livejournal.

UPDATE.

My wife asked me who won the election, said "ha, I told you so! America is not ready for a woman President and won't be for a long time" and proceeded to laugh directly at me when I told her my story of not waking her up. Then she hugged me.

Trump still bites it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 04:31:06 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 04:24:34 PM

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Yep. It still hurts to read. :goty :goty2

Thought he flip floped has hell, still a lot ring true, specially this

Quote

And before we do, let me state, I actually like Hillary – a lot – and I think she has been given a bad rap she doesn’t deserve. But her vote for the Iraq War made me promise her that I would never vote for her again. To date, I haven’t broken that promise. For the sake of preventing a proto-fascist from becoming our commander-in-chief, I’m breaking that promise.

After that, I knew that it was going to be difficult times regardless of who won.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Owl-faced Wizard on November 09, 2016, 04:57:18 PM

Quote from: zomgee on November 09, 2016, 04:26:34 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 04:24:34 PM

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Yep. It still hurts to read since it was completely right then and was proven right last night. :goty :goty2

Anyone point out that all the swing states Hillary lost were won by Bernie during the primaries? Just checking.

He kinda hit the targets.

He was right about everything.  Christ.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 04:59:42 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 04:25:10 PM

Quote from: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 04:20:04 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 04:16:47 PM

AiA voted for Trump?

:dead

Black republicans :dead

A black man voting for someone endorsed by the KKK. I can't!  :neogaf

But this is the reality, and has been for years. And laughing about it is not going to change their point of view.

Who tf are you? What reality? I'm laughing because I can't understand it not because I want to change their view at all. I know for a fact you can't change the view of someone of that raccoon type of leaning.  :doge

Just saying, people laughed about it but Trump still got more minority votes than Romney.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 05:03:58 PM

That doesn't mean I can't be confused as to why any black person would vote for someone who was endorsed by the KKK.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 05:06:52 PM

Himu, I'm sorry for being abrasive in the other thread  :'(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 05:08:38 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 05:03:58 PM

That doesn't mean I can't be confused as to why any black person would vote for someone who was endorsed by the KKK.

You are right aboout that, I concede.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 05:21:46 PM

Nah I didnt vote for Trump or Clinton. I wrote in Busta Rhymes.

I went straight GOP locally :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 05:29:44 PM

Doing a lot of soul searching as a result of this.  I figure there's 3 ways to go from here on out :

1.  Ignore everything, play videogames and hope it doesn't effect you aka. head in the sand.  This is lame and cowardish.

2.  Don't change anything, be aware of everything going on, be kind to those around you, be vocal online and to people you know about what's going on, and be regularly shocked and depressed at the state of events in the nation.  This will be status quo & probably regularly depressing.

3.  Be pro-active and look into ways to raise awareness and doing everything you can to try to change things in 4 years.  This takes a lot of effort, may eventually prove a failed effort and horribly depressing, but is optimistic, hopeful and feels good doing the right thing.

Gonna look around and see what I can do to be pro-active in my local community.  Also going to dissociate myself from the gaming community (aka neogaf) as a lot of things have been confirmed to me in the last few days about a good portion of the people who watch anime or play jrpgs on gaf.  They live in a creepy weird bubble and I just find it's not a group I want to be interacting with.  Tried to delete my profile but didn't see an option so when duckroll wakes up going to have him ban me for life.  The bore is fine though, everyone's cool here for the most part.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: MMaRsu on November 09, 2016, 05:32:34 PM

GAF fucking sucks anyway. They are all in their little bubble and anyone who disagrees gets banned or dogpiled on. Regarding anything basically.

Even tho I dont live in the US im still pretty shook that this shit actually happened. I'm scared of what Russia might do if the US decides to pull out of NATO and give Russia free reign to do whatever the fuck they want.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 05:35:30 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 02:49:03 PM

Hillary truly deserved to be president.

:kobeyuck

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 05:38:01 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 05:29:44 PM

Doing a lot of soul searching as a result of this.  I figure there's 3 ways to go from here on out :

1.  Ignore everything, play videogames and hope it doesn't effect you aka. head in the sand.  This is lame and cowardish.

2.  Don't change anything, be aware of everything going on, be kind to those around you, be vocal online and to people you know about what's going on, and be regularly shocked and depressed at the state of events in the nation.  This will be status quo & probably regularly depressing.

3.  Be pro-active and look into ways to raise awareness and doing everything you can to try to change things in 4 years.  This takes a lot of effort, may eventually prove a failed effort and horribly depressing, but is optimistic, hopeful and feels good doing the right thing.

Gonna look around and see what I can do to be pro-active in my local community.  Also going to dissociate myself from the gaming community (aka neogaf) as a lot of things have been confirmed to me in the last few days about a good portion of the people who watch anime or play jrpgs on gaf.  They live in a creepy weird bubble and I just find it's not a group I want to be interacting with.  Tried to delete my profile but didn't see an option so when duckroll wakes up going to have him ban me for life.  The bore is fine though, everyone's cool here for the most part.

Just try not to be trapped in a bubble of your own, thought. People that didnt interact with anime GAF but have anime avatars where not exactly welcomed in the rest of that forum, so it can go both ways,

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 05:57:44 PM

Lots of groups are going to need money for the next few years, from marriage equality to reproductive rights to climate change.

Just remember to donate anonymously and in cash that you never touched. A thank you card isn't worth getting on a list, especially with all the additional financial surveillance in the name of combating terrorism that's already on the books.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: headwalk on November 09, 2016, 05:58:46 PM

nah you're alright mate, i'll stick with facebook likes for my charity activism.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:07:18 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/an-american-tragedy-donald-trump

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The election of Donald Trump to the Presidency is nothing less than a tragedy for the American republic, a tragedy for the Constitution, and a triumph for the forces, at home and abroad, of nativism, authoritarianism, misogyny, and racism. Trump’s shocking victory, his ascension to the Presidency, is a sickening event in the history of the United States and liberal democracy. On January 20, 2017, we will bid farewell to the first African-American President—a man of integrity, dignity, and generous spirit—and witness the inauguration of a con who did little to spurn endorsement by forces of xenophobia and white supremacy. It is impossible to react to this moment with anything less than revulsion and profound anxiety.

There are, inevitably, miseries to come: an increasingly reactionary Supreme Court; an emboldened right-wing Congress; a President whose disdain for women and minorities, civil liberties and scientific fact, to say nothing of simple decency, has been repeatedly demonstrated. Trump is vulgarity unbounded, a knowledge-free national leader who will not only set markets tumbling but will strike fear into the hearts of the vulnerable, the weak, and, above all, the many varieties of Other whom he has so deeply insulted. The African-American Other. The Hispanic Other. The female Other. The Jewish and Muslim Other. The most hopeful way to look at this grievous event—and it’s a stretch—is that this election and the years to follow will be a test of the strength, or the fragility, of American institutions. It will be a test of our seriousness and resolve.

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/education/2016/11/09/des-moines-students-walkout-donald-trump-election-president/93539892/

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Hundreds of students walked out of several Des Moines-area high schools Wednesday morning in protest of Donald Trump's presidential election victory.

Chanting "Let's Dump Donald Trump" or "F--- Donald Trump," teens linked arms at East, broke into song at Roosevelt and chanted in Spanish at Hoover. In addition, about 20 students walked out of Valley in West Des Moines.

The schools allowed the student-organized protests, which lasted 15 to 45 minutes, giving participants unexcused absences.

"The rhetoric of this past election has caused many concerns and divisions," Des Moines Public Schools spokesman Phil Roeder said in a statement issued right before the walkout. "The school district will not stand in the way of our students peacefully expressing their concerns."

Teens used social media to coordinate the 10:30 a.m. walkout, which coincided with Hillary Clinton's concession speech. Students designated leaders to start chants and reminded them to be respectful, although protests devolved at times into cursing and obscene gestures.

“There’s a lot of tension,” organizer Jalesha Johnson, a senior at East, said. “I wanted to show that this generation does care, and we won’t sit quietly when we have an opportunity to say something.”

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2016/11/white_won.html

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White Won
We are still the country that produced George Wallace. We are still the country that killed Emmett Till.

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“I can’t believe this. I just can’t believe it,” said one of the officers, the younger of the two. The other just shook his head. I asked the younger officer what he thought about all of this—about President Donald Trump. “This is deep, man. This is deep. Who am I supposed to be protecting now?” He looked down at his uniform. “Why am I wearing this?”

http://sd24.senate.ca.gov/news/2016-11-09-joint-statement-california-legislative-leaders-result-presidential-election

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Today, we woke up feeling like strangers in a foreign land, because yesterday Americans expressed their views on a pluralistic and democratic society that are clearly inconsistent with the values of the people of California.

We have never been more proud to be Californians.

By a margin in the millions, Californians overwhelmingly rejected politics fueled by resentment, bigotry, and misogyny.

The largest state of the union and the strongest driver of our nation’s economy has shown it has its surest conscience as well.

California is – and must always be – a refuge of justice and opportunity for people of all walks, talks, ages and aspirations – regardless of how you look, where you live, what language you speak, or who you love.

California has long set an example for other states to follow. And California will defend its people and our progress. We are not going to allow one election to reverse generations of progress at the height of our historic diversity, scientific advancement, economic output, and sense of global responsibility.

We will be reaching out to federal, state and local officials to evaluate how a Trump Presidency will potentially impact federal funding of ongoing state programs, job-creating investments reliant on foreign trade, and federal enforcement of laws affecting the rights of people living in our state. We will maximize the time during the presidential transition to defend our accomplishments using every tool at our disposal.

While Donald Trump may have won the presidency, he hasn’t changed our values. America is greater than any one man or party. We will not be dragged back into the past. We will lead the resistance to any effort that would shred our social fabric or our Constitution.

California was not a part of this nation when its history began, but we are clearly now the keeper of its future.

http://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/305117-celebs-who-said-theyd-leave-country-if-trump-won

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 06:07:37 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 01:34:14 PM

Quote from: Mr. Nobody on November 09, 2016, 01:32:47 PM

Am I off base in thinking that even the slogans sealed Hillary's fate?

"Make America Great Again"  :ohhh

vs.

"I'm with Her"  :what



....she really had no chance at all, did she?

Her low energy campaign was garbage from start to finish.

She is Martha Coakley.

Oh and Reddit made The_Donald a featured subreddit.

Fuck reddit.

Fuck nerds.

Spez: Ayyyy lmao. (https://np.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/3dautm/content_policy_update_ama_thursday_july_16th_1pm/ct3n7hc/) (Old post, don't bother with it)

Anyway, what's hilarious to me is getting Brits that voted for British Exit into a furor.

"America, everyone is laughing at you!"
"Yeah, well you voted for the same thing months ago. #Glasshousesdontthrowstones"
"(Impotent rage and Triggering intensifies) BUT THEY AREN'T THE SAME THING!"
"Redcoats, please. If you can't see the parallels between how these two things happened, that's on you."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 09, 2016, 06:14:07 PM

Uh, so that California statement is nice and all since I'm from California and have some respect for our state, but we say blah blah blah we're so such great angelic progressive people holding the nation together and yet instead of abolishing the death penalty we voted to kill people faster and we didn't vote on the Sanders 61 to attempt to fuck with the drug pricing industry and see how it plays out.  But yeah, we got weed.  That's nice and I'd been waiting for that for a while (not as a smoker, but people shouldn't get in trouble for it; fucking stupid), we're still pretty damn conservative and just like USA, we have a huge rural portion of California that is all red and it's only the big cities that keep us progressive/blue.

Basically I like my state, but we can still do a lot better.  I mean even weed should've passed last election.  We're slow.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 06:14:10 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:34:18 PM

Also poor folks with clinton, richer folks with Trump if you're still stupid enough to think this was about the economy.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512 (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512)

Color me shocked. I honestly thought he brought out the poor folks. Lemme see the rest of that data.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:15:21 PM

He improved or held the R standing relatively in most groups:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/11/08/us/elections/exit-poll-analysis.html

He improved nearly 20 points with those who make under $30,000 over Romney.

He lost almost ten points among both those above $100,000 and above $200,000.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 06:16:47 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 09, 2016, 04:24:34 PM

http://michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Yep. It still hurts to read since it was completely right then and was proven right last night.

Anyone point out that all the swing states Hillary lost were won by Bernie during the primaries? Just checking.

Huh, by the DNC rules I actually thinks that makes him next in line as the rightful candidate.


Also, multiple Poligaffers actually had their accounts deleted?

As in they were actual Hillary Shills and their contract ran out?

Jesus.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 06:17:31 PM

Quote from: MMaRsu on November 09, 2016, 05:32:34 PM

Even tho I dont live in the US im still pretty shook that this shit actually happened. I'm scared of what Russia might do if the US decides to pull out of NATO and give Russia free reign to do whatever the fuck they want.

OK I really should ask a fee to the FSB because I feel I am the resident russian semi-apologist, but apart from the Baltic states (which yeah, wouldn't want to be in their shoes today), Russia is probably unable to project force in a meaningful way on NATO borders in Central Europe. To take an example, the Russian air force had terrible performances over Georgia losing according to outside reports IIRC 7 planes including a fairly pricey Tu22 supersonic bomber.

That's not to say Russia won't pursue an agressive strategy within its so called sphere of influence, they have plenty of ways to strong arm their way... but well, as shown in Crimea, they're already doing that openly despite US and European sanctions.

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Also, multiple Poligaffers actually had their accounts deleted?

As in they were actual Hillary Shills and their contract ran out?

Voluntary removals.
That's right, the most ardent Shillaries suffocated on their own koolaid.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 06:21:40 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 06:17:31 PM

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Also, multiple Poligaffers actually had their accounts deleted?

As in they were actual Hillary Shills and their contract ran out?

Voluntary removals.
That's right, the most ardent Shillaries suffocated on their own koolaid.

I want an analysis of how many GAF account went dead forever at the stroke of midnight.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:22:44 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 06:16:47 PM

Also, multiple Poligaffers actually had their accounts deleted?

As in they were actual Hillary Shills and their contract ran out?

Jesus.

Check the GAF thread on here for GAF stuff, I posted some from last night, a lot of regulars were deciding they didn't want to even discuss politics anymore and I assume asked for themselves to be banned/etc. because they didn't trust themselves to stop. Adam387, for example, asked for a ban I assume as he didn't post anything ban worthy.

Posted two minutes ago in PoliGAF:

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Yeah, I think I might need a break from PoliGAF. I just can't.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 06:26:47 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:22:44 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 06:16:47 PM

Also, multiple Poligaffers actually had their accounts deleted?

As in they were actual Hillary Shills and their contract ran out?

Jesus.

Check the GAF thread on here for GAF stuff, I posted some from last night, a lot of regulars were deciding they didn't want to even discuss politics anymore and I assume asked for themselves to be banned/etc. because they didn't trust themselves to stop. Adam387, for example, asked for a ban I assume as he didn't post anything ban worthy.

Sounds like a good exit strategy for CTR. That way they can fire up again in 2020 and not raise suspicion.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 06:31:31 PM

So the two media personalities that correctly predicted Trump was Michael Moore and Ann Coulter.

What a time to be alive.

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 06:32:44 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 06:31:31 PM

So the two media personalities that correctly predicted Trump was Michael Moore and Ann Coulter.

What a time to be alive.

 :doge

And that insufferable twitter guy who wouldnt shut up about secret trump voters and rally turnout

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM

and Dilbert's Scott Adams :P

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:37:25 PM

Don't forget Alex Jones.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 06:39:37 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:37:25 PM

Don't forget Alex Jones.

Glenn Beck cant stop taking the Ls

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 06:40:44 PM

Yeah, we never gonna hear the end of those fuckers now (Moore article linked above was pretty on point, to be fair) just like President Trump will milk for all its worth his public service in paid speeches and appearances. The Trump family is never leaving the GOP too... and think of all the hacks that are riding on his coattails getting one last big paycheck : Giulani, Gingrich...

TFW you will be able to say any crazy shit and when called on it shout "WELL YOU DIDN'T BELIEVE TRUMP WOULD WIN EITHER ? SO IM RIGHT."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 06:41:05 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 09, 2016, 06:36:12 PM

and Dilbert's Scott Adams :P

In the plus side, people can force him to be the first in the line of fire if Trump goes full Orange Hitler.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Akala on November 09, 2016, 06:42:36 PM

I was kinda chill about all this last night but the more I think about it the more angry I get.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 06:44:57 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 06:40:44 PM

The Trump family is never leaving the GOP too...

You just had to add a fresh take didnt you

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 06:45:39 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 09:28:26 AM

Is Trump going to build an actual wall?

Or is he going to say that the wall is a metaphor for tightening immigration legislation?

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 09:29:31 AM

I'm hoping for an actual wall.

Hadrians Wall
Great Wall
Trumps Wall

And remember Mexico is paying.

Mexico will pay, because they'll be trying to stem the tide of Californian refugees.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:50:08 PM

The king:

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Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  23h23 hours ago
Clinton at 42 fav/55 unfav, a very unpopular nominee.
Trump 38/58. Perhaps GOP shouldn't have nominated most unpopular nominee in history?

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Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  23h23 hours ago
Trump is a unique candidate, Clinton first woman president, it's a crazy year, etc, etc--and it looks as 2016 will look very much like 2012.

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Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  23h23 hours ago
Basically: 2016 will be 2012, but perhaps a bit more so as voting groups move further in the direction they were already moving.

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Bill Kristol ‏@BillKristol  22h22 hours ago
Looks to me like a Dem 51-49 Senate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:51:30 PM

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Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Donald Trump won 76% of counties w/ a Cracker Barrel & 22% of counties w/ a Whole Foods -- a 54% gap. In '92, gap b/t same counties was 19%.

Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Whole Foods vs. Cracker Barrel culture gap over time:

1992: 19%
1996: 23%
2000: 31%
2004: 39%
2008: 43%
2012: 46%
2016: 54%

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 06:53:48 PM

Quote from: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 06:45:39 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 09:28:26 AM

Is Trump going to build an actual wall?

Or is he going to say that the wall is a metaphor for tightening immigration legislation?

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 09, 2016, 09:29:31 AM

I'm hoping for an actual wall.

Hadrians Wall
Great Wall
Trumps Wall

And remember Mexico is paying.

Mexico will pay, because they'll be trying to stem the tide of Californian refugees.

Nah, thats why we have the Narcos for.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 09, 2016, 06:54:32 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 06:51:30 PM

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Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Donald Trump won 76% of counties w/ a Cracker Barrel & 22% of counties w/ a Whole Foods -- a 54% gap. In '92, gap b/t same counties was 19%.

Dave WassermanVerified account
‏@Redistrict
Whole Foods vs. Cracker Barrel culture gap over time:

1992: 19%
1996: 23%
2000: 31%
2004: 39%
2008: 43%
2012: 46%
2016: 54%

Make America Organic Food Restaurants Again?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 06:57:08 PM

Resentment of liberal condescension in Rust Belt states + NAFTA eviscerating economies of said states + Clinton. TAA DAA

And it's not that everyone who voted for Trump in those states is racist. It's more that his talk on trade, manufacturing and the economy resonated enough that they were willing to overlook the rest of his...deficiencies. Trump's coalition isn't going to last forever but the strategy of an outsider stirring up Middle America will still be viable for what? 10? 20 years?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:00:01 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 06:32:44 PM

Quote from: Dennis on November 09, 2016, 06:31:31 PM

So the two media personalities that correctly predicted Trump was Michael Moore and Ann Coulter.

What a time to be alive.

 :doge

And that insufferable twitter guy who wouldnt shut up about secret trump voters and rally turnout

And yet he'll prob finish will fewer votes than Romney, or barely more. The story here is democrat voters taking things for granted in multiple states, and a vast majority of white women being cool with electing someone who brags about sexually assaulting women.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 09, 2016, 07:02:18 PM

I praise Trump for this

He took out the Bush and Clinton families from any more politics.

Good

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:03:54 PM

I loathe Trump but yes, the (sole?) good thing about him is that this is *the last* we'll see of either family for quite a while. I guess it wasn't her turn after all.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:07:45 PM

lol a few days ago I was thinking wow I wonder how long before Chelsea runs for congress, then senate. Now...nooope.
:rejoice

If only Obama had a son (http://i.imgur.com/Q1NuATb.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 09, 2016, 07:10:43 PM

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 :idont

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:13:14 PM

I admit it's petty to not vote for a candidate because someone else in their immediate family has already come before. But that's kinda how I felt about voting for HRC. 300+ million people in the country and we again faced the possibility of a Jeb! vs. Hillary? We couldn't find anyone else?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:15:17 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 09, 2016, 07:10:43 PM

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 :idont

I sort of agree. A Trump voter is really looking hard the other way. But that's the way it is in some terribly depressed places. Christ, Walmarts in some of those towns are like the company store and could fit the entire town inside them. I don't think we should reduce those voters to a single facet of their personality.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 09, 2016, 07:15:43 PM

Cmon that's ridiculous, Samson.


All the racists didn't vote, there's likely much more

Nvm you extrapolated didn't you. Whatever, I lose

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 07:22:09 PM

Some people are overreacting to the idea that Democrats mistepped on messaging by thinking it means "CODDLE THE RACISTS." They effectively made the election about Trump solely including downballot while simultaneously talking about how it was in the bag. And they don't understand why that wasn't enough to get people to vote for Hillary and the D's?

I stopped seeing the pro-Hillary ads in Michigan in September, after that they were all about terrible things Trump had said and how he'd be garbage as President. And lots of the downballot races were trying to tie the R candidate to what Trump had said.

It's like there just was a big assumption that everyone was as motivated to be FOR HER as they were. Something, IIRC, was a problem they had in 2008.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Samson Manhug on November 09, 2016, 07:22:19 PM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:15:17 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 09, 2016, 07:10:43 PM

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 :idont

I sort of agree. A Trump voter is really looking hard the other way. But that's the way it is in some terribly depressed places. Christ, Walmarts in some of those towns are like the company store and could fit the entire town inside them. I don't think we should reduce those voters to a single facet of their personality.

Sure, racists are a culture, not a costume. But you can be disenfranchised, left behind, stuck in poverty, feel betrayed, and also racist. Those first things don’t give you a “I’m not a racist” card. Those things are probably more likely to make you a racist since racism in this country was built around tricking those types of people not to revolt against aristocracy in the southern colonies.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:24:36 PM

Quote

“I didn’t vote for (George W.) Bush, but he was a good, honorable man with whom I had political differences, so I didn’t vote for him. But for our country to be where we are now, who took a guy who -- I don’t care what anyone says, I’m sure they have other reasons and maybe good reasons for voting for Donald Trump -- but I don’t think anybody can deny this guy is openly and brazenly racist and misogynistic and ethnic-centric, and say, ‘That’s OK with us, we’re going to vote for him anyway.'

“We have just thrown a good part of our population under the bus, and I have problems with thinking that this is where we are as a country. It’s tough on (the team), we noticed it coming in. Everybody was a little quiet, and I thought, ‘Well, maybe the game the other night.’ And so we talked about that, but then Aron Baynes said, ‘I don’t think that’s why everybody’s quiet. It’s last night.’

“It’s just, we have said -- and my daughters, the three of them -- our society has said, ‘No, we think you should be second-class citizens. We want you to be second-class citizens. And we embrace a guy who is openly misogynistic as our leader.' I don’t know how we get past that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/11/09/detroit-pistons-stan-van-gundy/93551178/?hootPostID=f10f7d9c7e00059ac139b93a5f10541c

Van Gundys remain my favorite white dudes
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:27:05 PM

I don't know...Trump voter = automatic racist just seems too simplistic. I still think it's more likely that quite a few tolerant/open-minded/non-racist folks were enthusiastic about his rhetoric on trade and the economy and willing to overlook the dog whistling. If an issue is *important* enough - the economy - I still think people would hold their nose and take the good with the bad.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 07:27:11 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 09, 2016, 07:10:43 PM

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 :idont

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the type of thinking that made Donald J. Trump a fucking president.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 07:27:54 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:24:36 PM

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“I didn’t vote for (George W.) Bush, but he was a good, honorable man with whom I had political differences, so I didn’t vote for him. But for our country to be where we are now, who took a guy who -- I don’t care what anyone says, I’m sure they have other reasons and maybe good reasons for voting for Donald Trump -- but I don’t think anybody can deny this guy is openly and brazenly racist and misogynistic and ethnic-centric, and say, ‘That’s OK with us, we’re going to vote for him anyway.'

“We have just thrown a good part of our population under the bus, and I have problems with thinking that this is where we are as a country. It’s tough on (the team), we noticed it coming in. Everybody was a little quiet, and I thought, ‘Well, maybe the game the other night.’ And so we talked about that, but then Aron Baynes said, ‘I don’t think that’s why everybody’s quiet. It’s last night.’

“It’s just, we have said -- and my daughters, the three of them -- our society has said, ‘No, we think you should be second-class citizens. We want you to be second-class citizens. And we embrace a guy who is openly misogynistic as our leader.' I don’t know how we get past that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/11/09/detroit-pistons-stan-van-gundy/93551178/?hootPostID=f10f7d9c7e00059ac139b93a5f10541c

Van Gundys remain my favorite white dudes
:whew

WHY DIDN'T HE SAY THIS BEFORE THE ELECTION ARGLE BARGLE HANG HIM

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 07:30:30 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:24:36 PM

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“I didn’t vote for (George W.) Bush, but he was a good, honorable man with whom I had political differences, so I didn’t vote for him. But for our country to be where we are now, who took a guy who -- I don’t care what anyone says, I’m sure they have other reasons and maybe good reasons for voting for Donald Trump -- but I don’t think anybody can deny this guy is openly and brazenly racist and misogynistic and ethnic-centric, and say, ‘That’s OK with us, we’re going to vote for him anyway.'

“We have just thrown a good part of our population under the bus, and I have problems with thinking that this is where we are as a country. It’s tough on (the team), we noticed it coming in. Everybody was a little quiet, and I thought, ‘Well, maybe the game the other night.’ And so we talked about that, but then Aron Baynes said, ‘I don’t think that’s why everybody’s quiet. It’s last night.’

“It’s just, we have said -- and my daughters, the three of them -- our society has said, ‘No, we think you should be second-class citizens. We want you to be second-class citizens. And we embrace a guy who is openly misogynistic as our leader.' I don’t know how we get past that.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nba/pistons/2016/11/09/detroit-pistons-stan-van-gundy/93551178/?hootPostID=f10f7d9c7e00059ac139b93a5f10541c

Van Gundys remain my favorite white dudes
:whew

How do you know who voted for Trump in your circle? I hesitate to even ask to bring it up. I can't trust American's, especially whites. People can call me racist all they want but last night proved me right.

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 07:36:50 PM

Quote from: Optimus on November 09, 2016, 07:27:11 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 09, 2016, 07:10:43 PM

I really don’t buy the “not everyone who voted for Trump is racist,” especially when it comes to white voters. If you elected a racist as president, you’re a racist. It doesn’t matter how you knew a black guy once who was a hard worker and you got along great. Just because you don’t like being called a racist doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. Just because you don’t actually understand racism (because you think reverse racism exists) doesn’t mean you’re not a racist. If you are comfortable around racists, you’re a racist. If you never posted on the Bore outside of the GAF thread before because you knew your racist views weren’t tolerated and then felt safe after a racist was elected, you’re a racist.

Using the exit polls and vote results, that means there are roughly 35 million racist white voters in the USA. Considering this country has a cultural history of racism, I don’t find that hard to believe at all.

 :idont

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is the type of thinking that made Donald J. Trump a fucking president.

You mean people who are fragile enough to not accept the truth? So we are supposed to baby them? What was wrong with be said? Trump was endorsed by the KKK and refused to dismiss their endorsement. The man has promised to deport Muslims and Mexicans and build a wall, Germany style. Nazis, as in literal Nazi's, are Trump supporters. How is the act of calling people who support this racist a bad thing? It's the fucking truth.

Today my friends (none are white) are telling stories about what happened to them. People are spray painting Nazi swastika's. Kids are telling their classmates they should be in the back of the bus. We have to explain to our children and family that we are scared. This ranges from multiple groups, from women to LGBTQ to racial minorities.

Now that they have won its open season.

But nah, calling a spade a spade is how Trump won? All that tells me is the fragility of white egos and how utterly weak of a people they are.

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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:42:56 PM

The problem is that both parties in the last couple decades have signed on to globalization and international trade while doing little to help those affected in the rust belt states.

A reconstituted DNC in 2020 might be able to test the theory that there are red state folks who voted for Trump but are not themselves racist. Democrats on the national level walked away from red states when they turned sharply corporatist around the beginning of the Clinton era.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:46:51 PM

President of the United States

Clinton-Kaine:  128,025

Johnson-Weld:  5,806

Stein-Baraka: 2,389

Trump-Pence: 50,335

Castle-Bradley: 472

Soltysik-Walker: 95

Precincts counted: all 157

My district is pretty blue
:yeshrug

Most people I know voted for Hillary. People at work...that's another story.

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 07:51:59 PM

Another thing that gets me is that we are told to accept this result even though republicans obstructed Obama and our people for eight goddamn years in terms of meaningful legislature. Obama was a Muslim, an atheist, anything negative under the sun. But a dude who has gotten endorsements from literal nazis and klansmen and now we have to play nice and "accept" our new "President".

Fuck.

That.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 07:54:01 PM

Code: [Select]

President and Vice President
121/121 100.00%
  Vote Count Percent
REP - Donald J. Trump/Michael R. Pence 44,354 32.88%
DEM - Hillary Clinton/Tim Kaine 81,266 60.24%
LIB - Gary Johnson/Bill Weld 5,369 3.98%
UST - Darrell L. Castle/Scott N. Bradley 521 0.39%
GRN - Jill Stein/Ajamu Baraka 1,876 1.39%
NLP - Emidio Mimi Soltysik/Angela Walker 92 0.07%
Write-In 1,423 1.05%
Total 134,901 100.00%
that's quite a lot of write-ins actually

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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:54:34 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 09, 2016, 07:51:59 PM

Another thing that gets me is that we are told to accept this result even though republicans obstructed Obama and our people for eight goddamn years in terms of meaningful legislature. Obama was a Muslim, an atheist, anything negative under the sun. But a dude who has gotten endorsements from literal nazis and klansmen and now we have to play nice and "accept" our new "President".

Fuck.

That.

It's an absolute goddamn travesty. And it's only going to encourage the Republicans to do the same thing in the future. But hey the Kardashians are on!

I think the chances are good that the filibuster is going bye-bye within the first 100 days.

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Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 07:55:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:46:51 PM

People at work...that's another story.

Strenuously maintaining a politically disinterested technocratic persona in your professional life.  :success

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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:56:54 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 09, 2016, 07:55:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:46:51 PM

People at work...that's another story.

Strenuously maintaining a politically disinterested technocratic persona in your professional life.  :success

I could see that Patrick Bateman facade of yours difficult to parse  :-*

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 08:02:39 PM

I took today off for other reasons but apparently it was ugly. Including someone I know allegedly saying something along the lines of "would you rather vote for a woman or vote for someone who will help you afford to start a family" to a female coworker.
 :success

I'm also expecting plenty of "I can't wait to see how much I'm saving this time next year" AiA types excited about the return of deficit busting tax cuts.

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 08:08:05 PM

Everybody needs to settle down a bit and stop the filibuster-hyping and revolution having delusions. That shit can happen AFTER there is a 21st century inquisition. Otherwise no one is going to be bothered to vote.

Let the economy hit a depression, foreign relationships crumble, and racism/sexism pervade as a legitimate policy. People found those ideas so hard to believe that until they see it, there is nothing to be done. Just sit and wait for all the shit to hit the fan before trying to fix it.

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 08:11:12 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 08:02:39 PM

I took today off for other reasons but apparently it was ugly. Including someone I know allegedly saying something along the lines of "would you rather vote for a woman or vote for someone who will help you afford to start a family" to a female coworker.
 :success

I'm also expecting plenty of "I can't wait to see how much I'm saving this time next year" AiA types excited about the return of deficit busting tax cuts.

I hope my cousin isn't an AiA type. One of those black people. I think he might be. Thanksgiving gonna be something else, I tell you what.

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Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 08:22:27 PM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 07:56:54 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 09, 2016, 07:55:02 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 07:46:51 PM

People at work...that's another story.

Strenuously maintaining a politically disinterested technocratic persona in your professional life.  :success

I could see that Patrick Bateman facade of yours difficult to parse  :-*

 :-[ It's good to have you back.

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 08:22:55 PM

http://www.al.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/11/klan_will_hold_trumps_promises.html

But calling trump supporters racist - a fact - is why trump was elected!

http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/09/donald-trump-pledges-sign-anti-lgbtq-first-amendment-defense-act/

But trump isn't anti-LGBTQ he waved a rainbow flag!

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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:33:26 PM

among the seattle technorati trump voters, this election was all about shitvoting -- throwing a rock through the window and going FUCK YOOOOOOOOO to the establishment. why? because lulz beat responsible earnestness any ol' day, and damn the consequences.

that women, minorities, and lgbt peeps might get hurt? OH DON'T BE SUCH A STICK IN THE MUD, WHAT COULD GO WRONG AH HAW HAW HNARF IT'S JUST POLITICS (as they lick each others' buttholes)

and folks told me bernie bros were progressives. mm hm. nope, just privileged shitbertarians.

the only folks that are worse are the LET'S SEND A MESSAGE TO WASHINGTON!!!! do-rights <wide-eyed po'bucker cluelessness, cigarettes drooping from their slack jaws as realization dawns belatedly>

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Post by: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 08:35:24 PM

That's a vivid description of Seattle  :cody

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 08:36:02 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:33:26 PM

and folks told me bernie bros were progressives. mm hm. nope, just privileged shitbertarians.

Good luck in 2020

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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:43:41 PM

let's look at the positives, libruhs: how shook is gaf?

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 08:47:04 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:43:41 PM

let's look at the positives, libruhs: how shook is gaf?

I don't know if even you could have made it more shaken.

People are discussing whether or not it's even worth it to have kids anymore. And complaining because Obama didn't call for overturning the election.

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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:47:29 PM

spectacular. <closes github; unzips pants>

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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:48:34 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 08:47:04 PM

People are discussing whether or not it's even worth it to have kids anymore.

that's an option for gaffers now? holy shit, i feel like rip van fuckin winkle

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 08:49:40 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:43:41 PM

let's look at the positives, libruhs: how shook is gaf?

legit shook

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Post by: nachobro on November 09, 2016, 08:51:50 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 08:47:04 PM

I don't know if even you could have made it more shaken.

People are discussing whether or not it's even worth it to have kids anymore. And complaining because Obama didn't call for overturning the election.

wrong attitude. you'd figure they'd want to increase the voting pool

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Post by: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 08:52:08 PM

Im so shook I ate a whole large pizza and bread sticks.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 08:53:18 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:48:34 PM

that's an option for gaffers now? holy shit, i feel like rip van fuckin winkle

it might just be a hypothetical kind of thing

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 09, 2016, 08:53:22 PM

There were quite a few "What is even the point of living anymore" posts too

 :kobeyuck

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 08:54:40 PM

i really liked the positive message ones of "they won! there's nothing we can do! why even bother with politics anymore, i don't even want to play argue about video games"

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Post by: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 08:55:17 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 08:52:08 PM

Im so shook I ate a whole large pizza and bread sticks.

Yeah, I was doing pretty well, but then hit the chocolate pretty hard last night.

HOWEVER, I was surprised to realize that I had NO DESIRE to drink. I realized yesterday that if I drank, I wouldn't stop until 2020.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 08:56:05 PM

Quote from: chronovore on November 09, 2016, 08:55:17 PM

HOWEVER, I was surprised to realize that I had NO DESIRE to drink. I realized yesterday that if I drank, I wouldn't stop until 2020.

Not seeing any downsides to this, honestly. Well, other than liver failure.

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Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:57:05 PM

Quote

There were quite a few "What is even the point of living anymore" posts too

funny it took an election to make them realize that. someone remind them that japan is still here making titty elf games

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Post by: Boredfrom on November 09, 2016, 09:00:46 PM

Quote from: Van Cruncheon on November 09, 2016, 08:57:05 PM

Quote

There were quite a few "What is even the point of living anymore" posts too

funny it took an election to make them realize that. someone remind them that japan is still here making titty elf games

Well, some admited that the only upside of the year is whatever problematic dude bro titty game that is FFXV is going to be GOTY, so that is out.

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Post by: james on November 09, 2016, 09:02:11 PM

Itll be interested to see if Trump getting elected will hurt retail in November and December (and hurt jobs).

He can spin that in his inauguration speech as "look at the Obama economy failing, Im here to fix it, and I have a mandate to act fast"

He then institutes all his tariffs.

Economy then follows 2008 timeline. Major falls over the summer with the bottom falling out in late September.

11% unemployment by December 2017.

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Post by: Arsene Lupin III on November 09, 2016, 09:03:25 PM

Sad.





Really, this situation is just sad as fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 09:11:18 PM

Quote from: james on November 09, 2016, 09:02:11 PM

Itll be interested to see if Trump getting elected will hurt retail in November and December (and hurt jobs).

He can spin that in his inauguration speech as "look at the Obama economy failing, Im here to fix it, and I have a mandate to act fast"

He then institutes all his tariffs.

Economy then follows 2008 timeline. Major falls over the summer with the bottom falling out in late September.

11% unemployment by December 2017.

Retail will be fine breh come on. If Americans like anything more than racism it's holiday season deals.  :doge

But yea the economy is gonna have some issues. Trump doesn't need congress to blow up some trade deals. He'll be able to impact the market by...just speaking. And with China who-knows-when away from implosion, Russia buying food, Euro fucking up...we could have multiple crashes at the perfect time to throw the US off.

I figured a Hillary win=US econ continues to old man jog well enough to 2020, then we see what happens. Now...we're fucked.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 09:14:50 PM

Rachel Maddow is basically on the verge of tears doing her opening monologue, constantly choking up in her voice.

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 09:20:57 PM

If there was any silver lining to this, it is that my 2 daughters get a front row seat to the conservative agenda before they get to have it affect them. 1 new voter in '18 and another in '20.

 They had it too good for too long.

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 09:23:57 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 09, 2016, 09:12:36 PM

Where's Tasty? Dude's been missing for a bit.

Meh, I've come to accept it. The US will always side eye arabs and this election just confirmed that it'll keep going. Me and my brother made a pact to not discuss nor follow politics for the next 4 years. I can't vote yet, he can but won't let anything get to him till he can try again.

So for the most part we'll be talking about vidya, movies, music and other dumb shit cause why hand wring? What's done is done and all you can do is vote in the future.

Uhhhh tell your brother that one of the reasons republicans got this strong hold is because of prior mid term wins. If you only vote in presidential elections you're part of the problem. Hate to put it that way but more need to be educated on this. The next battle is 2018, not 2020. Though dems have a high likelhood of getting fucked there.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 09:27:09 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 09:14:50 PM

Rachel Maddow is basically on the verge of tears doing her opening monologue, constantly choking up in her voice.

"Do you see this tear? It came from my left eye. Now I want you to look at this photo...yes, it's of a movie film reel. Well the film I'm going to talk to you about is not that, exactly. It's called the precorneal film. It covers your eyes and makes you, well, cry. That's what my left eye is doing right now. So the question you're probably asking yourself is, where did this tear come from? I want you to look at this photo. It may look like abstract art but in actuality it is...you guessed it, the Lacrimal apparatus. It's where tears are manufactured, including the one from my left eye. Why does this matter? I'll tell you after the break."

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 09:28:52 PM

The only thing that would make 2016 great again would be a new Cruncheons podcast.

Let's get the band back together.

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Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 09:29:52 PM

I really can't even comprehend the couple of Bernie Bros proudly supporting Trump at work.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 09:31:45 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 09, 2016, 09:27:09 PM

"Do you see this tear? It came from my left eye. Now I want you to look at this photo...yes, it's of a movie film reel. Well the film I'm going to talk to you about is not that, exactly. It's called the precorneal film. It covers your eyes and makes you, well, cry. That's what my left eye is doing right now. So the question you're probably asking yourself is, where did this tear come from? I want you to look at this photo. It may look like abstract art but in actuality it is...you guessed it, the Lacrimal apparatus. It's where tears are manufactured, including the one from my left eye. Why does this matter? I'll tell you after the break."

:dead

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 09:32:19 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5d4_DR6wtEU

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 09:35:14 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 09, 2016, 09:12:36 PM

So for the most part we'll be talking about vidya, movies, music and other dumb shit cause why hand wring? What's done is done and all you can do is vote in the future.

Wrath, let's jam some hot tunes on Plug.DJ this weekend. Maybe some Anime Church on Sunday.

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Post by: Himu on November 09, 2016, 09:43:21 PM

We're going to an anti-trump protest. Wish us luck

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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

The Democrats are in trouble. They have no one in the pipeline, barring another Obama out of nowhere. The Clintons are done. Obama is probably going to have to remain as figurehead of the party for the forseeable future. I think the best thing they can do now is stop blaming Trump voters for their own failure and figure out exactly why 48% of the country thought Trump was an acceptable option for president. I suspect a Sanders-esque shift toward blue-collar populism is imminent.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:05:01 PM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

The Democrats are in trouble. They have no one in the pipeline, barring another Obama out of nowhere.

Having a stable of veterans doesn't necessarily help, though, just look at what happened to the GOP.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 10:05:06 PM

Why can't I get more people on the Terry McAuliffe train?!?

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:06:43 PM

Well, he did keep Virginia blue. :yeshrug

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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:09:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:05:01 PM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

The Democrats are in trouble. They have no one in the pipeline, barring another Obama out of nowhere.

Having a stable of veterans doesn't necessarily help, though, just look at what happened to the GOP.

True enough. I wonder if the anti-establishment mood of the country will be as strong in 2018 or 2020? Seems like practically anyone can throw their hat into the ring, no experience necessary.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:11:08 PM

Having said that, Warren's probably the early favorite for 2020, if she decides to run [and I think she will].

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 10:11:50 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/2016-election/how-donald-trump-won-the-inside-story/

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Jennifer Palmieri
Hillary for America communications director
 Our big concern, of course, was that he would then morph into somebody else. I had heard things about him, such as he reacts with audiences in front of him . . . So the concern, well, if he gets in front of a general-election audience, is he going to moderate?

Teddy Goff
Hillary for America chief digital strategist
 I always thought that he was the ideal Republican nominee. . . . The nomination of Trump was going to make this a battle about racism, misogyny, homophobia and dealing with immigrants. That’s not even getting into the core stability of our opponent.

John Podesta
Hillary for America campaign chairman
 There’s no question, I think, that [Trump] represents change. But the question is: What kind of change? And I think we put a lot into the argument that the country would succeed by rejecting that set of values which are based on division, on bigotry, on things he had said along the way, on his sort of history of abusing people.

Guy Cecil
chief strategist of Priorities USA, a pro-Clinton super PAC
 We did video tests where we showed voters 40 different clips of Trump speaking — not ads, but just clips of him insulting a disabled reporter, a clip of him insulting Rosie O’Donnell. . . . Regardless of how we tested it — a full-out test, a clip test, online, regular survey, in-person focus group — the two things that consistently stuck out were the issue around his divisiveness and the issue around him being a danger to national security. . . . Mocking the disabled reporter was by far the top-testing clip. And, by the way, that stayed true through the whole campaign.

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Paul Manafort
former campaign Chairman for Donald Trump and convention manager
 Trump views Hillary Clinton as the personification of what’s rotten in Washington. He really does make the connection between the rigged system, as he calls it, the corruption of Washington, the gridlock of Washington and the all-talk, no-action approach that Washington takes. . . . His point was that the opponent was more than just Hillary. She was the symbol.

Kellyanne Conway
Donald J. Trump for President campaign manager
 There was maybe a 14-day period where she lost eight to nine contests, I believe, to Bernie Sanders. And I studied that and I thought, she’s going to have a real problem here because she’s somebody who’s always caught unaware. She was caught unaware by Barack Obama in 2008. She seemed to be caught unaware of Bernie Sanders’s surge. . . . And we could catch her unaware again.

Sean Spicer
Republican National Committee chief strategist
 The narrative was already baked in. That was the beauty of her. In most campaigns, you’re trying to define a candidate. She was defined as someone that people don’t like and don’t trust, and all we had to do was reinforce the existing narrative.

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Kellyanne Conway
Donald J. Trump for President campaign manager

 In the wake of President Obama’s historic victory, I was curious and not so convinced that Hillary Clinton was going to be able to claim the same mantle toward history that he did. . . . I’ve always thought for Hillary, the question is not, “Would you vote for a woman?” It’s, “Would you vote for that woman?” It’s Hillary. It’s not a hypothetical.

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Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:16:38 PM

I feel like HRC's team should have picked up waaaaaaay earlier on the fact that nothing was going to dissuade most Trump voters, focus less on him as an awful person and instead focus on the parts of the country where his trade talk was well received.

Of course, being married to the guy who signed NAFTA was probably always going to work against her in those regions.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:18:44 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:11:08 PM

Having said that, Warren's probably the early favorite for 2020, if she decides to run [and I think she will].

I feel like Warren wouldn't be combative enough against Trump. She doesn't have that pugnaciousness that Sanders had. Trump steamrolls polite opponents way too easily.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:38:19 PM

I think Warren has no chance. Fucking A. Bernie will be way too old to run again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:43:13 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 09, 2016, 10:33:00 PM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:18:44 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:11:08 PM

Having said that, Warren's probably the early favorite for 2020, if she decides to run [and I think she will].

I feel like Warren wouldn't be combative enough against Trump. She doesn't have that pugnaciousness that Sanders had. Trump steamrolls polite opponents way too easily.

breh, what? :heh

She's the only one who really went in on him not too long ago.

Hey, I hope I'm wrong! But I just don't think she'd do well against Trump. Especially debates. It'd be HRC all over again - a (perhaps shrill) recitation of the facts against Trump's appeal to basic emotions. Wonkishness won't be enough to carry the election.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 09, 2016, 10:46:01 PM

If this election was a wrestling storyline, Warren is the one set up for a future feud with Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:50:33 PM

I think Trump set an all time low in political discourse in US and the consequences will never be the same.

For all of the faults and incompetence of the recent Republican candidates, whether it was Romney, McCain or Bush, they were such classical politicians compared to Trump. Even Dubya had so much nuance and tact compared to the Donald. All half the country needed was a complete demagogue to promise them the world. These new voters don't care about logistics, they just care about promises. All you have to do now is yell as loudly and frequently about how you're going to bring back all the jobs, that the economy is going to be tremendous, everything will be great and huge, the illegals will be bant, the muslims will be bant, tax breaks for everyone, blah blah blah This is now the standard for a political candidate. If you dare bring any realism to the discourse you will now be viewed as part of the corrupt political establishment. I really didn't think Americans at large were this stupid, but it seems they were just chomping at the bit for someone to come and promise them everything they want to hear.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:54:02 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:50:33 PM

I think Trump set an all time low in political discourse in US and the consequences will never be the same.

For all of the faults and incompetence of the recent Republican candidates, whether it was Romney, McCain or Bush, they were such classical politicians compared to Trump. Even Dubya had so much nuance and tact compared to the Donald. All half the country needed was a complete demagogue to promise them the world. These new voters don't care about logistics, they just care about promises. All you have to do now is yell as loudly and frequently about how you're going to bring back all the jobs, that the economy is going to be tremendous, everything will be great and huge, the illegals will be bant, the muslims will be bant, tax breaks for everyone, blah blah blah This is now the standard for a political candidate. If you dare bring any realism to the discourse you will now be viewed as part of the corrupt political establishment. I really didn't think Americans at large were this stupid, but it seems they were just chomping at the bit for someone to come and promise them everything they want to hear.

That's exactly going to be Warren's problem. The next election will be won on emotion. Warren may have the facts on her side - I'd probably vote for her - but the fact is that Repubs will tear fancy-pants Professor Warren a new one with the "ivory tower" label. She doesn't have the charisma or the ability to compress important numbers and facts into simple sentences.

Frankly, the Dems need Bill Clinton again. Someone with the common man's touch and a head for facts. Definitely more populist than Clinton was, though. And I don't see anyone like that.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 10:56:11 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:50:33 PM

I really didn't think Americans at large were this stupid, but it seems they were just chomping at the bit for someone to come and promise them everything they want to hear.

It's weird seeing this sentiment posted on places that aren't conservative or libertarian.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:57:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 10:56:11 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:50:33 PM

I really didn't think Americans at large were this stupid, but it seems they were just chomping at the bit for someone to come and promise them everything they want to hear.

It's weird seeing this sentiment posted on places that aren't conservative or libertarian.

why

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Post by: Kara on November 09, 2016, 11:08:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:57:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 10:56:11 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:50:33 PM

I really didn't think Americans at large were this stupid, but it seems they were just chomping at the bit for someone to come and promise them everything they want to hear.

It's weird seeing this sentiment posted on places that aren't conservative or libertarian.

why

In those realms it's a well worn meme that minorities vote Democratic because the party promises them things they don't deserve and can't possibly be paid for.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 11:10:17 PM

not just minorites! at least on the libertarian realms which include the medicare and social security parasites

plus it reminds me of the olden times, back when Steam was just a twinkle in gaben's eye :gaben

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:14:07 PM

Quote from: Kara on November 09, 2016, 11:08:46 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:57:27 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 10:56:11 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 10:50:33 PM

I really didn't think Americans at large were this stupid, but it seems they were just chomping at the bit for someone to come and promise them everything they want to hear.

It's weird seeing this sentiment posted on places that aren't conservative or libertarian.

why

In those realms it's a well worn meme that minorities vote Democratic because the party promises them things they don't deserve and can't possibly be paid for.

That's not true though. Either way, it's pretty ridiculous to draw a parallel between the perceived liberal entitlement and the egregious demagoguery of Trump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:14:39 PM

The cynical person in me wants to let them axe medicare. Why should I/we pay so much to keep these fucks alive who vote overwhelmingly for these shit candidates?

Or maybe they just voted themselves into extinction.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:18:16 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:14:39 PM

The cynical person in me wants to let them axe medicare. Why should I pay so much to keep these fucks alive who vote overwhelmingly for these shit candidates?

my only silver lining out of this whole thing for me is that I've been gambling on my health and not paying for insurance for close to a decade now. I made out ok the first year Obamacare was put in place because the penalty was only like $250 for the whole year or something. But the last time I did my tax returns they penalized me for the exact amount I would have paid if I had health insurance! So I'm not going to miss those penalties eating up my tax returns.. It'd be nice being able to have health insurance with a pre-existing condition, but I guess I can't have it both ways.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 11:21:56 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:18:16 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:14:39 PM

The cynical person in me wants to let them axe medicare. Why should I pay so much to keep these fucks alive who vote overwhelmingly for these shit candidates?

my only silver lining out of this whole thing for me is that I've been gambling on my health and not paying for insurance for close to a decade now. I made out ok the first year Obamacare was put in place because the penalty was only like $250 for the whole year or something. But the last time I did my tax returns they penalized me for the exact amount I would have paid if I had health insurance! So I'm not going to miss those penalties eating up my tax returns.. It'd be nice being able to have health insurance with a pre-existing condition, but I guess I can't have it both ways.

If ACA is scrapped I wouldn't be surprised to see some states enacting their own programs (like Colorado's attempt this election).

Same thing with Roe v. Wade - if overturned, some states (CA, etc...) would move to make it legal within the state.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:24:05 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:18:16 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:14:39 PM

The cynical person in me wants to let them axe medicare. Why should I pay so much to keep these fucks alive who vote overwhelmingly for these shit candidates?

my only silver lining out of this whole thing for me is that I've been gambling on my health and not paying for insurance for close to a decade now. I made out ok the first year Obamacare was put in place because the penalty was only like $250 for the whole year or something. But the last time I did my tax returns they penalized me for the exact amount I would have paid if I had health insurance! So I'm not going to miss those penalties eating up my tax returns.. It'd be nice being able to have health insurance with a pre-existing condition, but I guess I can't have it both ways.

My poke was at the elderly. My heart goes out to you and your needs, but apparently, America is now against that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 11:25:27 PM

There's a report out that Trump's pick for Secretary of State could be John Bolton.  :donot

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 11:29:05 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:14:07 PM

That's not true though. Either way, it's pretty ridiculous to draw a parallel between the perceived liberal entitlement and the egregious demagoguery of Trump.

Sorry, it was a joke at everybody's expense, for retreating to it when they lose an election. Democrats just won the last two times so I hadn't seen it in a while!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 11:30:29 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 11:25:27 PM

There's a report out that Trump's pick for Secretary of State could be John Bolton.  :donot

Yeah, but apparently the other person he's considering for this is Newt.

I think I'd prefer Bolton of all people.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 11:31:44 PM

The report I saw said the other person was Bob Corker [Tennessee Senator].

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:32:06 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:24:05 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:18:16 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:14:39 PM

The cynical person in me wants to let them axe medicare. Why should I pay so much to keep these fucks alive who vote overwhelmingly for these shit candidates?

my only silver lining out of this whole thing for me is that I've been gambling on my health and not paying for insurance for close to a decade now. I made out ok the first year Obamacare was put in place because the penalty was only like $250 for the whole year or something. But the last time I did my tax returns they penalized me for the exact amount I would have paid if I had health insurance! So I'm not going to miss those penalties eating up my tax returns.. It'd be nice being able to have health insurance with a pre-existing condition, but I guess I can't have it both ways.

My poke was at the elderly. My heart goes out to you and your needs, but apparently, America is now against that.

Yeah, I know, it was just a tangent post.

My grandmother's sister on my mom's side is pushing 100. She emigrated from U.S.S.R. to France and then to US as a young girl during WWII and worked her ass off to plant her roots here and care for her family. She idolizes capitalism and hates Liberals with a passion. She in so many ways such a strong, inspiring woman, but a hateful shrew in others. I've grown to not want to ever be around her. I was invited to go to Thanksgiving to my cousin's (same part of the family), and my cousin's husband is a Duck Dynasty watching, conspiracy theory believing alt-righter. He was mocking me about me coming over and doing some spirit cooking (I am a chef by profession). I figured I would be working that day anyway so I said I wouldn't be able to make it, but I found out today that we're not going to be open for Thanksgiving and I still don't feel like going there with that fucker and my aunt there, gloating about Donald fucking Trump..

/livejournal

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Freyj on November 09, 2016, 11:32:54 PM

Quote

Repeal and Replace Obamacare Act. Fully repeals Obamacare and replaces it with Health Savings Accounts, the ability to purchase health insurance across state lines, and lets states manage Medicaid funds.

People who worry about affording food aren't generally looking at savings accounts.

Oklahoma couldn't manage an Arby's.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:33:16 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 11:29:05 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:14:07 PM

That's not true though. Either way, it's pretty ridiculous to draw a parallel between the perceived liberal entitlement and the egregious demagoguery of Trump.

Sorry, it was a joke at everybody's expense, for retreating to it when they lose an election. Democrats just won the last two times so I hadn't seen it in a while!

Nah, it's all good. I wish I was someone who saw both parties equally as bad so I could not give a fuck right now and snipe at everyone from my ivory tower.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Momo on November 09, 2016, 11:33:34 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 09, 2016, 08:52:08 PM

Im so shook I ate a whole large pizza and bread sticks.

Fuck man, get your hand off the carb nuke button, I'm here for you  :-[

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 11:35:26 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 11:31:44 PM

The report I saw said the other person was Bob Corker [Tennessee Senator].

Politico said Newt and Corker, then added Bolton later. So I guess all three!

Corker would probably be my pick of those three. Newt is like the worst possible person for that particular position even in a conservative/Republican administration. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2016, 11:36:51 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:33:16 PM

Nah, it's all good. I wish I was someone who saw both parties equally as bad so I could not give a fuck right now and snipe at everyone from my ivory tower.

hey, it's the clock tower buddy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 09, 2016, 11:38:03 PM

We are going to witness the right's fever dream of government.

Goodbye liberal America. Hello police state.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 11:38:07 PM

Charles Pierce over at Esquire calls Politico "Tiger Beat on the Potomac." It has its good points but sometimes it really does seem like a breathless gossip rag.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:43:50 PM

Both parties need to do some soul searching right now. Democrats need to figure out how they ended up losing all three branches of the government, and GOP need to figure out how they let their party get hijacked by complete crazies (although this one was more of an evolutionary rather than revolutionary development).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 11:48:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:05:01 PM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

The Democrats are in trouble. They have no one in the pipeline, barring another Obama out of nowhere.

Having a stable of veterans doesn't necessarily help, though, just look at what happened to the GOP.

James mentioned Kamala Harris who seems like a good pick. She's like a younger, more attractive, and more emotive version of Hillary. And her background is Indian-Jamaican American which might get her some points with the Asian communities which are sure to hate Trump in 4 years.

The only issue is that she is 52 and has only been married for two years, therefore she has no kids. Which being a woman might make her get judged as not being family centric enough. But she's really great and I hope she runs.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: bluemax on November 10, 2016, 12:00:04 AM

I feel like the worst part of this (so far) are all my supposedly smart liberal friends and family who are ignoring the realities of how their party fucked up and repeating the same vitriol that is the reason Hilary lost.

Maybe, I dunno, don't call people deplorables? Don't forget about all the poor people who live outside of major cities and see their way of life going away? Maybe find a candidate who even if they don't appeal to more demographics, at least lets those demographics know they aren't being forgotten or wiped out.

But I can't really share this with my friends and family because I am CIS-gendered Het-scum.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 10, 2016, 12:03:41 AM

But alienating half the country worked wonders for Donald Trump

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 10, 2016, 12:04:22 AM

Secretary of State: Newt Gingrich
Secretary of the Wall: Rudy Giuliani
Secretary of the Treasury:  Ivanka Trump
Secretary of Defense: The reanimated corpse of George Patton
Attorney General: Hope Hicks
Secretary of the Interior: Kellyanne Conway
Secretary of Agriculture: Eric Trump
Secretary of Commerce: Roger Ailes
Secretary of Labor: Donald Jr.
Secretary of Health and Human Services
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
Secretary of Transportation: Chris Christie  Barron Trump
Secretary of Energy: *insert Captain Planet villain here*
Secretary of Education
Secretary of Veterans Affairs
Secretary of Dealing with the Muslims: Corey Lewandowski
Secretary of Making Me Laugh before Bedtime (Official Court Jester) : Roger Stone

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: bluemax on November 10, 2016, 12:04:28 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 10, 2016, 12:03:41 AM

But alienating half the country worked wonders for Donald Trump

Because he alienated the half of the country that doesn't vote.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 12:07:17 AM

I'll admit the democrats fucked up. I have been critical of them myself. I voted for Bernie in the primaries.

What are some blind spots we have that we can work on?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 12:07:29 AM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 11:21:56 PM

If ACA is scrapped I wouldn't be surprised to see some states enacting their own programs (like Colorado's attempt this election).

Same thing with Roe v. Wade - if overturned, some states (CA, etc...) would move to make it legal within the state.

After DOMA and PBA, it's hard to believe constitutional rulings against reproductive rights wouldn't immediately be followed up by new federal legislation barring states from being refuges.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: chronovore on November 10, 2016, 12:08:09 AM

Has this been posted here yet? I can't imagine not, but:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Another friend posted that we're just prepping for the SAC LARP:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_of_Ghost_in_the_Shell#American_Empire

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 12:09:22 AM

David Wong is right in his article but he waves away racism like so many liberals. Either that or excuses it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 12:09:40 AM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 09, 2016, 11:48:57 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:05:01 PM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:02:09 PM

The Democrats are in trouble. They have no one in the pipeline, barring another Obama out of nowhere.

Having a stable of veterans doesn't necessarily help, though, just look at what happened to the GOP.

James mentioned Kamala Harris who seems like a good pick. She's like a younger, more attractive, and more emotive version of Hillary. And her background is Indian-Jamaican American which might get her some points with the Asian communities which are sure to hate Trump in 4 years.

The only issue is that she is 52 and has only been married for two years, therefore she has no kids. Which being a woman might make her get judged as not being family centric enough. But she's really great and I hope she runs.

Assuming Trump doesn't implode on his own merits, and is actually competitive for re-election, the Dems are  gonna need someone angry and charismatic. I don't think Harris has the right qualities. Another calm, hopey-changey-middle-of-the-road candidate will get crushed by him like his milquetoast primary challengers, nor will an angryish national electorate will respond to Harris the right way. Assuming, of course, that the DNC plans to try to peel off some of the economy-minded Trump voters.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 12:10:33 AM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on November 10, 2016, 12:04:22 AM

Secretary of Commerce: Roger Ailes

They had a falling out because Trump wouldn't do what he was told and Ailes thought he was blowing the election. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Let's Cyber on November 10, 2016, 12:13:36 AM

Oh, I thought Ailes and Trump had made up?

If not, insert Katrina Pierson

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 12:13:57 AM

Quote from: chronovore on November 10, 2016, 12:08:09 AM

Has this been posted here yet? I can't imagine not, but:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Quote

Look, we're going to get actual Nazis in the comment section of this article.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 12:14:05 AM

Quote from: Kara on November 10, 2016, 12:07:29 AM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 11:21:56 PM

If ACA is scrapped I wouldn't be surprised to see some states enacting their own programs (like Colorado's attempt this election).

Same thing with Roe v. Wade - if overturned, some states (CA, etc...) would move to make it legal within the state.

After DOMA and PBA, it's hard to believe constitutional rulings against reproductive rights wouldn't immediately be followed up by new federal legislation barring states from being refuges.

I hadn't thought about that...closing the barn door fo reals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 12:22:23 AM

Quote from: agrajag on November 09, 2016, 11:43:50 PM

Both parties need to do some soul searching right now. Democrats need to figure out how they ended up losing all three branches of the government,

That's easy. See post right above yours. Democrats only have themselves to blame in regards to how they massively fumbled the ball.

Quote from: 213372bu on November 10, 2016, 12:18:07 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 12:07:17 AM

I'll admit the democrats fucked up. I have been critical of them myself. I voted for Bernie in the primaries.

What are some blind spots we have that we can work on?

Not taking demographics/states for granted
 Not clearing a path for a candidate with favor, letting them genuinely be challenged by 1+ more candidates fairly
 Not ignoring millennials and focusing closer on them
 Not setting up a monolithic opponent, which while frustrating, will vastly help when talking to people
 Better groundwork
 Adjusting for changes in the political climate
 Having a populist presidential candidate
 
 Lots.

Also these. They were running a game like the Establishment mattered against someone (and within their own party) that DID NOT care about the Establishment and resonated with the public on that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 12:23:00 AM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 10, 2016, 12:18:07 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 12:07:17 AM

I'll admit the democrats fucked up. I have been critical of them myself. I voted for Bernie in the primaries.

What are some blind spots we have that we can work on?

Not taking demographics/states for granted
 Not clearing a path for a candidate with favor, letting them genuinely be challenged by 1+ more candidates fairly
 Not ignoring millennials and focusing closer on them
 Not setting up a monolithic opponent, which while frustrating, will vastly help when talking to people
 Better groundwork
 Adjusting for changes in the political climate
 Having a populist presidential candidate
 
 Lots.

HRC def took WI/MI/OH/PA for granted. I think she visited Wisconsin once? It should have been very obvious that she needed to focus on that region, especially since Repubs were ascendant there over the last 6 years. But then again, it would be hard to sell her to the same folks that NAFTA screwed over so badly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 12:25:29 AM

This was a Presidential year, three of those states were locks. It was time to flip Georgia.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 12:26:41 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 12:25:29 AM

This was a Presidential year, three of those states were locks. It was time to flip Georgia.

I could almost be president if I took that kind of advice! Almost.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2016, 12:27:03 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 09, 2016, 11:42:36 PM

I'm from the mid west. Central Indiana...This is one of hundreds of cities that in the 50s-90s were booming from all the factories. People going straight from high school into 25 year careers with great benefits and pay. And then, in the 90s, when jobs started going to Mexico or China, these cities literally started dying.

I don't want to take issue with the sentiment of this post but it's important to note that the timing here is off. Manufacturing's share of employment and relative wages in the Rust Belt declined throughout the entire post-war period (cf. here (https://33df51a4-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/davidlagakos/home/research/rustbeltpaper69.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7co9sSZsCJDy0b3pjMvKxkHbeUa-q7eJqUcUK27bgeVE0qgoJySow77T_NQ7rSKxux-Wvu3rQA1Hv3lLMZVCdVl4IwcbCU25M69T0t_rft-LrPapWtY6nrYd9xSHQKDqAwbK5LUJGvgc5l__O03xAptj1Fs5LIEphZwvaRA124sGk6nf0jjoDRHMTsgrVkxcU50vx2DIAuWIQYR2lnO-z3e3EQF3adkFCKT95inEPgrQsLcEbkG9vjhbfvq7VJpxo21NOUNC&attredirects=1)). The starkest drop is after 1980. The narrative that privileges NAFTA and other free trade agreements elides the fact that US manufacturing was declining well before they were put in place, to say nothing of their negligible overall impact on the US labor market.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 12:29:19 AM

I don't know what to do with a lot of that. For instance I felt Bernie should have been allowed to challenge Hillary on all levels. We canvassed houses in Htown, trying to get people to vote Bernie. We saw the poll results in the primaries and Bernie got creamed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 12:30:13 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 12:09:22 AM

David Wong is right in his article but he waves away racism like so many liberals. Either that or excuses it.

Girl, no he doesn't. He even said he'd get those segments in the articles comment section. He didn't focus on it because he was explaining why Trump's rhetoric was resonating with even non-racist folks in the Rust Belt states.

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2016, 12:27:03 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 09, 2016, 11:42:36 PM

I'm from the mid west. Central Indiana...This is one of hundreds of cities that in the 50s-90s were booming from all the factories. People going straight from high school into 25 year careers with great benefits and pay. And then, in the 90s, when jobs started going to Mexico or China, these cities literally started dying.

I don't want to take issue with the sentiment of this post but it's important to note that the timing here is off. Manufacturing's share of employment and relative wages in the Rust Belt declined throughout the entire post-war period (cf. here (https://33df51a4-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/davidlagakos/home/research/rustbeltpaper69.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7co9sSZsCJDy0b3pjMvKxkHbeUa-q7eJqUcUK27bgeVE0qgoJySow77T_NQ7rSKxux-Wvu3rQA1Hv3lLMZVCdVl4IwcbCU25M69T0t_rft-LrPapWtY6nrYd9xSHQKDqAwbK5LUJGvgc5l__O03xAptj1Fs5LIEphZwvaRA124sGk6nf0jjoDRHMTsgrVkxcU50vx2DIAuWIQYR2lnO-z3e3EQF3adkFCKT95inEPgrQsLcEbkG9vjhbfvq7VJpxo21NOUNC&attredirects=1)). The starkest drop is after 1980. The narrative that privileges NAFTA and other free trade agreements elides the fact that US manufacturing was declining well before they were put in place, to say nothing of their negligible overall impact on the US labor market.

Yes, but most of the jobs that were left were taken out, key example just this year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJy0PDxVFUI

NAFTA was a cry from Trump because the remaining jobs from the post-war boom that weren't already gone are going. That's why those folks in those areas are really pissed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 12:36:00 AM

Quote from: chronovore on November 10, 2016, 12:08:09 AM

Has this been posted here yet? I can't imagine not, but:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

Quote

Basic, obvious truths that have gone unquestioned for thousands of years now get laughed at and shouted down . . . that not getting exploded by a bomb is better than getting exploded by a bomb.

Unless you live in the Middle East, in which case the more bombs you get blown to smithereens by the better. (Skulls for the skull throne and all that.)

You know why I don't take the people discussed in this article seriously? Because they're full of fucking shit and first in line on the one country, two systems train when they benefit from it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 12:48:41 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2016, 12:27:03 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 09, 2016, 11:42:36 PM

I'm from the mid west. Central Indiana...This is one of hundreds of cities that in the 50s-90s were booming from all the factories. People going straight from high school into 25 year careers with great benefits and pay. And then, in the 90s, when jobs started going to Mexico or China, these cities literally started dying.

I don't want to take issue with the sentiment of this post but it's important to note that the timing here is off. Manufacturing's share of employment and relative wages in the Rust Belt declined throughout the entire post-war period (cf. here (https://33df51a4-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/davidlagakos/home/research/rustbeltpaper69.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7co9sSZsCJDy0b3pjMvKxkHbeUa-q7eJqUcUK27bgeVE0qgoJySow77T_NQ7rSKxux-Wvu3rQA1Hv3lLMZVCdVl4IwcbCU25M69T0t_rft-LrPapWtY6nrYd9xSHQKDqAwbK5LUJGvgc5l__O03xAptj1Fs5LIEphZwvaRA124sGk6nf0jjoDRHMTsgrVkxcU50vx2DIAuWIQYR2lnO-z3e3EQF3adkFCKT95inEPgrQsLcEbkG9vjhbfvq7VJpxo21NOUNC&attredirects=1)). The starkest drop is after 1980. The narrative that privileges NAFTA and other free trade agreements elides the fact that US manufacturing was declining well before they were put in place, to say nothing of their negligible overall impact on the US labor market.

I suppose I say NAFTA because I'm recalling my own experience with it. I have family all along Lake Michigan and Lake Erie and I distinctly recall a somewhat-specialized manufacturing plant closing and being sent to Mexico. I guess "globalization" would be a better phrase to use.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 12:56:24 AM

Hey guys, remember when Jeb! kicked this campaign season off by saying in retrospect we still should have invaded and occupied Iraq? And then changing his answer. And then changing it back. And then getting mushy until Trump insulted his brother WHO KEPT US SAFE.

good times

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: El Babua on November 10, 2016, 01:18:24 AM

Trump owning Jeb! in that exchange was probably the only good thing he did this election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2016, 01:21:02 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 12:30:13 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2016, 12:27:03 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 09, 2016, 11:42:36 PM

I'm from the mid west. Central Indiana...This is one of hundreds of cities that in the 50s-90s were booming from all the factories. People going straight from high school into 25 year careers with great benefits and pay. And then, in the 90s, when jobs started going to Mexico or China, these cities literally started dying.

I don't want to take issue with the sentiment of this post but it's important to note that the timing here is off. Manufacturing's share of employment and relative wages in the Rust Belt declined throughout the entire post-war period (cf. here (https://33df51a4-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/davidlagakos/home/research/rustbeltpaper69.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7co9sSZsCJDy0b3pjMvKxkHbeUa-q7eJqUcUK27bgeVE0qgoJySow77T_NQ7rSKxux-Wvu3rQA1Hv3lLMZVCdVl4IwcbCU25M69T0t_rft-LrPapWtY6nrYd9xSHQKDqAwbK5LUJGvgc5l__O03xAptj1Fs5LIEphZwvaRA124sGk6nf0jjoDRHMTsgrVkxcU50vx2DIAuWIQYR2lnO-z3e3EQF3adkFCKT95inEPgrQsLcEbkG9vjhbfvq7VJpxo21NOUNC&attredirects=1)). The starkest drop is after 1980. The narrative that privileges NAFTA and other free trade agreements elides the fact that US manufacturing was declining well before they were put in place, to say nothing of their negligible overall impact on the US labor market.

Yes, but most of the jobs that were left were taken out, key example just this year:

NAFTA was a cry from Trump because the remaining jobs from the post-war boom that weren't already gone are going. That's why those folks in those areas are really pissed.

I don't think we disagree about much here. The only things I'd point out are: a) there was no "post-war boom" wrt to manufacturing in the Rust Belt; by any metric you use, it starts declining at 1950 and b) NAFTA was as much a cry as a convenience for Trump, he neatly got to pin his blue-collar constituency's opprobrium onto the wife of the man who happened to sign it into law.

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 12:48:41 AM

I suppose I say NAFTA because I'm recalling my own experience with it. I have family all along Lake Michigan and Lake Erie and I distinctly recall a somewhat-specialized manufacturing plant closing and being sent to Mexico. I guess "globalization" would be a better phrase to use.

Absolutely. I'm not at all equipped to talk with authority on macro-trade but growth in developing economies is the chief reason jobs in secondary sectors in first world countries are being displaced (a lack of growth at home is also a factor, as that Alder, et al. paper claims). It's also completely impossible to prevent -FTA or no FTA- no matter what your elected protectionist legislator claims. The services put in place to compensate those offset workers can also be hilariously ineffectual.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:27:32 AM

Trump destroying Jeb! with the lamest insults ever, and Rubio setting Christie up for that one complete annihilation were two of my favorite moments. That was the dangerous Chris Christie people used to fear, everyone else zoned out not paying attention and he picks up on the one thing he can just totally destroy someone with. That's what he did to all those terrible (as in, the worst person to have the position) union spokespeople that made him a GOP star in the first place.

Rand had a couple that I liked, as a minor fanboi, his interview with Colbert because they both seemed to like each other and did a fun bit. And then one that he "lost" fighting with Trump in a debate.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:51:07 AM

I loved this because it was Trump's first debate IIRC:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V1LcpsNDfg

But apparently this is the one you're supposed to love based on Rand posting it to his account but I can't support it, for one thing, THE MOUSE CURSOR:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nldU_cfflVQ

Colbert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_BIQg5r5T8

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I assume it was a reference to this being the only question he got:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ns1njaMZKVs

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:53:00 AM

oh simpler times

lol rand led in the GOP national polls for like a month, i almost got deluded into believing it

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2016, 01:56:58 AM

Rand Paul was always the cheaper, less exciting version of his father, though, if we're being honest.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 02:05:53 AM

lmao @ Randroid trying to appeal to rank and file Republican voters by claiming that we'll have to exit the Geneva Convention if we followed president elect Trump's foreign policy proposals.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Trent Dole on November 10, 2016, 02:15:14 AM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 09, 2016, 07:58:14 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 09, 2016, 07:55:56 AM

Quote from: Trurl on November 09, 2016, 07:45:54 AM

Will Hillary leave the country before Drumpf is inaugurated?

I'm curious if Drumpf will really follow up on the whole "Lock her up" bullshit with some petty lawsuits. I'm convinced he's in this, moreso than your usual politician, to service his ego and line his pockets and that it's not in his interest to shake down the whole establishment to do so or to tear the whole country apart... but really, who can tell with him ? And he must keep at all costs some veneer of being the outsider, the maverick. And to do so he must give bones to his base.

I guess you could extend the question to most of the crazy policies he spouted about : I certainly expect a lot more fences along the southern border, more stringent immigration laws, more deportations but not the full blown million wide "Operation Wetback and Radical Moozlims II". Or so I hope.

Are you kidding me? You libtards will be glad to push Clinton into a fire now, lol.

Dude, we wanted to during the primaries. #feelthebern :^ But yeah, gtfo of the public stage for fucking ever Hillary. :ufup

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 02:23:17 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2016, 01:56:58 AM

Rand Paul was always the cheaper, less exciting version of his father, though, if we're being honest.

He tried to pander too hard on religious stuff over the prior year which hurt him with his dad's base and it didn't work and you can tell he was angry about the whole stupid thing especially when Trump started dominating. They claim otherwise, but I always assume that's why he bolted after Iowa despite not finishing poorly and still polling well in NH. Felt like he was all fuck this.

He's so punching down in that Senate debate video of his, like it was all the general election Presidential debate material he never got to use.

I think he comes off better in like that Colbert stuff when he's not trying so hard to be a SERIOUS POLITICIAN. Because like, dude, you're not. Accept it like your dad did.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 02:28:08 AM

Okay. I have a plan for the mid-terms, to the point where I may make a thread and gauge interest/ideas on it. It's related to what Shinra said above.

There's lots of reasons why the Republican base came out - NeverHillary, DraintheSwamp, implicit or explicit sexism against Hillary, coupled with people liking what he was saying about groping women and the Hispanics. All that, and then the issues of jobs, economy, and WWC feeling left out. And the protest vote.

So. Idea:

Explicitly non-partisan GOTV company in rural and Rust Belt areas, based around holding the government to account. Trump said he was going to #draintheswamp - yet Wall Street banker as Treasury. Trump said he'd got jobs back to the US, yet he hasn't done it (*assumption that he won't*).

Co-opt every single message and hashtag the Trump campaign used, and flip it against him. But don't argue for voting for Democrats. Run on a #NeverRepublican message, because (by the time mid-terms hit) it'll be two years of corruption, and lobbying, with continued unemployment in the heartland, and no retraining.

Done right (in my head) it could enthuse a large majority of people, from all walks of life - the Bernie Supporters, the WWC, the abortion-rights people, everyone. Because - done right - it would be entirely non-partisan. Literally say to the voter, "We don't care who you vote for, as long as it is against the Republican's who lied to you and are taking Wall Street money. Trump said he'd Drain the Swamp, and he hasn't. Hold his government accountable."

It'd have to be a very flexible message depending upon voter - point-up stop-and-frisk if you come across an AA Trump supporter, but don't mention race if you're in the Panhandle, for instance. And co-opt Trump's core message - because in two years, if nothing is better, people will want to "Make America Great Again". And that message could be spread to the LGBTQ voters, the environment campaigners, the anti-corruption campaigners.

Thoughts?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

yeah it's from gaf :doge

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Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 02:31:38 AM

*assumption that he won't*

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Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Jesus christ @ the anecdotal hate crime violence I'm seeing everywhere today.  Seems like "you're gonna be deported" is going to be the anyone not-white insult of racists motherfuckers for the next year.  Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 03:16:33 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

You have more people in general, that means more assholes in general. Also more eyes and attention.

Plus, actual minorities and stuff to harass.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 03:25:57 AM

I've never seen anyone who less wanted to be president than Jeb! It's like he was doing it because that's one of the developmental milestones of a Bush male. YOU'RE NOT LEAVING THE TABLE UNTIL YOU FINISH ALL THE PRESIDENCY ON YOUR PLATE, YOUNG MAN!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 03:31:29 AM

Jeb! was supposed to be the Presidential one, George W. was the fuckup who would never get close. Then Jeb! lost a winnable race in 1994 while George shocked everyone and beat Ann Richards.

EDIT: Jeb actually did like all the grunt work in the Florida GOP and stuff, got elected to lower positions, etc. while George was fucking up the Rangers and then decided he wanted to run for Governor. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: OnlyRegret on November 10, 2016, 03:37:36 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Jesus christ @ the anecdotal hate crime violence I'm seeing everywhere today.  Seems like "you're gonna be deported" is going to be the anyone not-white insult of racists motherfuckers for the next year.  Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

"B-b-but the real bad guys are you for hurting my fragile fee fees by implying Trump voters and racism were connected"
/you-know-what

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 03:59:57 AM

A Trump victory was inevitably going to bring out the scumbags like this. But it's absolutely impossible that all 63m+ Trump voters are racist as declared in a certain other forum.

As I said earlier today, Trump's coalition is not durable. But it could be viable for another 10-20 years. Trying to lure swing Trump voters is good strategy. Shaming *all* Trump voters as racist, continuing Dem condescension to flyover country plus more meh candidates will make things bumpy for them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:07:27 AM

I hate the whole cycles and history says and so on for predictions. But there has been a twelve year cycle to this "Reagan Democrats" white bloc ditching the D's for another candidate on roughly the same issues going back to 1968. 1968 (Wallace which encouraged Nixon's LAW AND ORDER campaigning)-1980 (Reagan...inflation/Japan/MAGA)-1992 (Perot...trade/immigration)-2004 (slight exception due to 9/11 and Iraq)-2016.

1968 and 1980 also had major internal Democratic fighting targeting the sitting President of their own party and a presumptive nominee.

Yeah yeah, these parallels are dumb and coincidental and all that. But it amuses me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on November 10, 2016, 04:10:21 AM

I thought it was mostly a brief return of white folks in 2006 for Senate handover and then again in 2008 for Obama. 2010 saw major reversals. Is there really a pattern in recent history? I'm probably missing something.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: the freakin woz on November 10, 2016, 04:46:36 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 09, 2016, 01:34:18 PM

Also poor folks with clinton, richer folks with Trump if you're still stupid enough to think this was about the economy.

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512 (https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/796334319132352512)

https://twitter.com/ryanlcooper/status/796483224016920576

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 10, 2016, 05:56:12 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Jesus christ @ the anecdotal hate crime violence I'm seeing everywhere today.  Seems like "you're gonna be deported" is going to be the anyone not-white insult of racists motherfuckers for the next year.  Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

it was the same after the brexit vote

just a few zanies that think they have the mandate to do that now

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 06:06:20 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Jesus christ @ the anecdotal hate crime violence I'm seeing everywhere today.  Seems like "you're gonna be deported" is going to be the anyone not-white insult of racists motherfuckers for the next year.  Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

Yeah the real nasty fuckers were always gonna feel empowered by a win. Unless Trump goes the Biff Tannen route, White Supremacists are probably gonna be disillusioned soon enough but there's no doubt that there will be an uptake in abuse, agressions and maybe hate crimes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2016, 06:18:23 AM

What's a "swing Trump voter"?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 06:21:45 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on November 10, 2016, 06:18:23 AM

What's a "swing Trump voter"?

I'd guess Trump voters who previously voted D.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2016, 06:26:15 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 06:21:45 AM

Quote from: Oblivion on November 10, 2016, 06:18:23 AM

What's a "swing Trump voter"?

I'd guess Trump voters who previously voted D.

Right, but what kind of person is that exactly? What demographic?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 06:42:16 AM

midwestern white union workers

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 07:00:12 AM

That's the assumption yeah. Same in Europe.

Am listening to the Keepin' it 1600 podcast and as you would expect (those are former Obama, 08 Clinton, 04 Kerry etc... team members, speech writers etc... that were as blindsided as you would expect) it's soul searching and autocritique time.

One interesting remark from someone is that Dems have a tendency to approach candidate selection as a bulletpoint list or Lego construction (needs to be white to appeal to demographic X & Y, from the South to appeal to... etc) instead of choosing actual persons. Barack Obama didn't tick all of the boxes and yet...

EDIT : And read on GAF - Donald Trump, possibly atheist president ? Progress works in mysterious ways...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Oblivion on November 10, 2016, 07:13:55 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 06:42:16 AM

midwestern white union workers

I see.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 07:33:34 AM

Help us obstructionist Republican crusty assholes in parliament, you're our only hope (?)  :doge
We can hope Trump is an hot air balloon after all, but Paul Ryan gonna have a field day slashing "entitlement culture".

I hope that civil society will come together and do its best to mitigate it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 07:41:58 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Bebpo you sweet summer child

Thank goodness I'm learning bjj. I know I know, running is the best self defense. But there's something pleasing, and gives you lots of confidence in yourself in knowing that you can put some fucker to sleep who puts their hands on you in under ten seconds and you train to do this to someone four fucking times a week. If any cac tries this with me or anyone I know and love, they are getting choked out or your arm twisted and popped off.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 07:44:39 AM

Legit hope Andrex is doing ok

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: daemon on November 10, 2016, 07:51:07 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 07:33:34 AM

Help us obstructionist Republican crusty assholes in parliament, you're our only hope (?)  :doge
We can hope Trump is an hot air balloon after all, but Paul Ryan gonna have a field day slashing "entitlement culture".

I hope that civil society will come together and do its best to mitigate it.

If civil society chooses well and mobilizes for the good reasons, it will. If they try to protest every single thing, the message will be lost in a sea of tears.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: WanderingWind on November 10, 2016, 07:54:53 AM

The bannings have started. The breach in the echo chamber has been sealed. All is well. Nothing went wrong. Except everything. Not our faults. Never that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 07:56:25 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 06:06:20 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Jesus christ @ the anecdotal hate crime violence I'm seeing everywhere today.  Seems like "you're gonna be deported" is going to be the anyone not-white insult of racists motherfuckers for the next year.  Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

Yeah the real nasty fuckers were always gonna feel empowered by a win. Unless Trump goes the Biff Tannen route, White Supremacists are probably gonna be disillusioned soon enough but there's no doubt that there will be an uptake in abuse, agressions and maybe hate crimes.

Someone pointed out to me recently that apparently Trump is the first openly Atheist president and tweeted about it many times, so it's going to be interesting to see how Republicans handle that flip flop if he decides to stay Atheist or he suddenly converts. I can see a lot of self-identifying "Deplorables" getting very upset he's not enacting the things he wants because they aren't feasible or it turns out that he was saying shit to get elected (To the shock of no one)

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 07:57:01 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 07:44:39 AM

Legit hope Andrex is doing ok

He posted in the fuck millennials thread yesterday. He's not dumb so he's probably taking better than GAFfers.

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Post by: WanderingWind on November 10, 2016, 07:59:07 AM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 07:56:25 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 06:06:20 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Jesus christ @ the anecdotal hate crime violence I'm seeing everywhere today.  Seems like "you're gonna be deported" is going to be the anyone not-white insult of racists motherfuckers for the next year.  Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

Yeah the real nasty fuckers were always gonna feel empowered by a win. Unless Trump goes the Biff Tannen route, White Supremacists are probably gonna be disillusioned soon enough but there's no doubt that there will be an uptake in abuse, agressions and maybe hate crimes.

Someone pointed out to me recently that apparently Trump is the first openly Atheist president and tweeted about it many times, so it's going to be interesting to see how Republicans handle that flip flop if he decides to stay Athiest or he suddenly converts. I can see a lot of self-identifying "Deplorables" getting very upset he's not enacting the things he wants because they aren't feasable or it turns out that he was saying shit to get elected (To the shock of no one)

The religious right voted for an atheist.
The military voted for a four time draft dodger who called POWs weak.
A not-ignorable segment of minorities voted for a guy who threatened to depot them.
Poor people voted for the guy born with a silver spoon in both hands.

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Post by: octopushover on November 10, 2016, 08:00:48 AM

lol you guys what the hell

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Post by: Trent Dole on November 10, 2016, 08:03:32 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 07:41:58 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Bebpo you sweet summer child

Thank goodness I'm learning bjj. I know I know, running is the best self defense. But there's something pleasing, and gives you lots of confidence in yourself in knowing that you can put some fucker to sleep who puts their hands on you in under ten seconds and you train to do this to someone four fucking times a week. If any cac tries this with me or anyone I know and love, they are getting choked out or your arm twisted and popped off.

I've been advising every non cac i know to join an mma gym and get themselves a piece, you're already ahead of the game here. Stay safe.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 08:06:56 AM

Quote from: WanderingWind on November 10, 2016, 07:59:07 AM

Poor people voted for the guy born with a silver spoon in both hands.

how big were these hands

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Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2016, 08:10:12 AM

Quote from: Trent Dole on November 10, 2016, 08:03:32 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 07:41:58 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 02:56:53 AM

Which is still better than the stories of people threatening to kill minorities or beating the shit out of LBTQ people.  Here I thought California would be safe from this shit, but I'm reading some bad accounts of stuff happening in LA of all places (LA surprises me since it's such a melting pot city).

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha Bebpo you sweet summer child

Thank goodness I'm learning bjj. I know I know, running is the best self defense. But there's something pleasing, and gives you lots of confidence in yourself in knowing that you can put some fucker to sleep who puts their hands on you in under ten seconds and you train to do this to someone four fucking times a week. If any cac tries this with me or anyone I know and love, they are getting choked out or your arm twisted and popped off.

I've been advising every non cac i know to join an mma gym and get themselves a piece, you're already ahead of the game here. Stay safe.

Let's go to the shooting range, Himu.

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Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2016, 09:18:01 AM

A lot of trump voters are going to lose their health insurance and be confused as to why.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 09:35:51 AM

There's a couple of trite points I'd like to add :

While I am deeply convinced that the left has fucked itself when they abdicated an alternative economic model and accepted the narrative that the Western working class was on its way to extinction, there's no easy solution to bring back some of that people into the fold and it's harder than to just have some economic proposals to appeal to them. IIRC, Hillary promised a subtantial raise in the federal minimum wage. I suspect some didn't want to hear or believe it because the distrust for politics and establishment (which Clinton, rightly or wrongly, embodied) is just overriding everything. Justified or not, a lot of those people feel completely alienated and reaching out to them is hard, in part -yes- because it means challenging abhorrent views and prejudices for at least some of them. And so far no one has found the magic solution to do so, because otherwise we wouldn't have that massive far right problem in the western world.

Also it's not the be all and end all of this election, Clinton could have won if a fraction more of urban demographic X or Y didn't slack off that day. It's maybe not essential to focus on that demographic (though considering the USA has been, in hindsight, trending towards the GOP holding all the power with Obama's popularity an outlier...) but it is the correct thing to do. For political expediency, as building a larger voting base help wins elections and pushing the greater good agenda (I mean, nobody would care to collectively label those far away unknowns if 50k of them of them had voted Dem instead of GOP in WI, MI and PA whatever their individual prejudices might be). Out of principle, because public government and a just society cannot abandon some areas or populations to their sake (be it Rust Belt whites of disinfranchised blacks) and all citizens are entitled to the same rights and protections. Out of ideology because being a leftist means you believe those issues are systemic and that individuals have to be helped to elevate themselves over it.

EDIT : Though you can also hope that those people, now that they got their Trump wish, will come around in 4 years if they realize they've been played for dunces. Still the Dems will have to provide some incentive to go vote.

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Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 09:46:28 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2016, 01:21:02 AM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 12:30:13 AM

Quote from: jakefromstatefarm on November 10, 2016, 12:27:03 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 09, 2016, 11:42:36 PM

I'm from the mid west. Central Indiana...This is one of hundreds of cities that in the 50s-90s were booming from all the factories. People going straight from high school into 25 year careers with great benefits and pay. And then, in the 90s, when jobs started going to Mexico or China, these cities literally started dying.

I don't want to take issue with the sentiment of this post but it's important to note that the timing here is off. Manufacturing's share of employment and relative wages in the Rust Belt declined throughout the entire post-war period (cf. here (https://33df51a4-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/davidlagakos/home/research/rustbeltpaper69.pdf?attachauth=ANoY7co9sSZsCJDy0b3pjMvKxkHbeUa-q7eJqUcUK27bgeVE0qgoJySow77T_NQ7rSKxux-Wvu3rQA1Hv3lLMZVCdVl4IwcbCU25M69T0t_rft-LrPapWtY6nrYd9xSHQKDqAwbK5LUJGvgc5l__O03xAptj1Fs5LIEphZwvaRA124sGk6nf0jjoDRHMTsgrVkxcU50vx2DIAuWIQYR2lnO-z3e3EQF3adkFCKT95inEPgrQsLcEbkG9vjhbfvq7VJpxo21NOUNC&attredirects=1)). The starkest drop is after 1980. The narrative that privileges NAFTA and other free trade agreements elides the fact that US manufacturing was declining well before they were put in place, to say nothing of their negligible overall impact on the US labor market.

Yes, but most of the jobs that were left were taken out, key example just this year:

NAFTA was a cry from Trump because the remaining jobs from the post-war boom that weren't already gone are going. That's why those folks in those areas are really pissed.

I don't think we disagree about much here. The only things I'd point out are: a) there was no "post-war boom" wrt to manufacturing in the Rust Belt; by any metric you use, it starts declining at 1950 and b) NAFTA was as much a cry as a convenience for Trump, he neatly got to pin his blue-collar constituency's opprobrium onto the wife of the man who happened to sign it into law.

I should've phrased that better. But yes. What I mean is the post-war "boom" of jobs were starting to die out post-WW2 but there was still enough manufacturing and stuff going on that for the most part people weren't "threatened" by job loss and globalization or down-sizing or automation or whatever you want to blame for job loss.

And yes, it was a cry of convenience, but I mean if it's there why not use it? Clinton didn't appeal to them, that cry appealed. Boom, instant support, right?

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Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 09:48:34 AM

The Impossible Mission Force :

(http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/cpsprodpb/3743/production/_92374141_trumpcabinet.jpg)

Flynn is the first living dead defense secretary, apparently. #Trumptherealprogressive

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Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 10:04:33 AM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 09, 2016, 10:05:01 PM

Having a stable of veterans doesn't necessarily help, though, just look at what happened to the GOP.

The deepest fucking bench!

Dems need to abandon NY area.

Trump
Clinton
Cuomo
Weiner
Booker
Christie
Schumer

All piles of NY garbage

Its time for the west coast revolution.

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Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 10:07:53 AM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:16:38 PM

I feel like HRC's team should have picked up waaaaaaay earlier on the fact that nothing was going to dissuade most Trump voters, focus less on him as an awful person and instead focus on the parts of the country where his trade talk was well received.

Of course, being married to the guy who signed NAFTA was probably always going to work against her in those regions.

The best ads for Obama were the ones hitting how Romney and his cronies destroyed the middle of the country

Hillarys team were incompetent fucks.

It was ad after ad of Trump saying his garbage

But guess what? EVERYONE HAD SEEN IT ALREADY. Every news report had covered it. Thry wasted millions on old news.

Why not a scary ad about how Trump destroyed Atlantic City?

Ads about Trump fucking over contractors?

Why NOTHING reminding people that the GOP shut down the government? NOTHING about Trumps statements on global warming? NOTHING reminding voters of what happened during Bush?

And maybe an ad or two about how Hillary would make things better?

IM WITH HER says nothing!

What about "Heres my 5 point plan to bring jobs to Scranton"

Idiot campaign full of idiots.

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Post by: agrajag on November 10, 2016, 10:25:54 AM

Quote from: james on November 10, 2016, 10:07:53 AM

Quote from: Rusty Shackleford on November 09, 2016, 10:16:38 PM

I feel like HRC's team should have picked up waaaaaaay earlier on the fact that nothing was going to dissuade most Trump voters, focus less on him as an awful person and instead focus on the parts of the country where his trade talk was well received.

Of course, being married to the guy who signed NAFTA was probably always going to work against her in those regions.

The best ads for Obama were the ones hitting how Romney and his cronies destroyed the middle of the country

Hillarys team were incompetent fucks.

It was ad after ad of Trump saying his garbage

But guess what? EVERYONE HAD SEEN IT ALREADY. Every news report had covered it. Thry wasted millions on old news.

Why not a scary ad about how Trump destroyed Atlantic City?

Ads about Trump fucking over contractors?

Why NOTHING reminding people that the GOP shut down the government? NOTHING about Trumps statements on global warming? NOTHING reminding voters of what happened during Bush?

And maybe an ad or two about how Hillary would make things better?

IM WITH HER says nothing!

What about "Heres my 5 point plan to bring jobs to Scranton"

Idiot campaign full of idiots.

Yep. The scandalous shit had diminishing returns. It reached critical mass and I think at some point people started getting annoyed about it. Whether it was the Trump campaign's excellent deflection tactics, or inherent rape culture, people got grossed out by this, but not in the way Clinton's campaign wanted them too. "I'm sick of going through dirty laundry, I why aren't se talking about issues" is how it got framed.

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Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 10:42:35 AM

The claim that these places voted primarily for Trump because their communities have been economically left behind and he promised to stop that would be easier to believe if they hadn't been electing pro-deregulation, personal responsibility touting Republicans for decades. The economic consensus in national politics wouldn't exist if a party could gain power arguing otherwise.

Those principles are easy to extol when urban communities are thrown off public employment or assistance but not so much when the chickens come home to roost from having perhaps the dumbest  societal structure under capitalism (being dependent on one employer forevermore).

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Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2016, 10:43:14 AM

The negativity created a tune out effect I think.  I was tired of both campaigns and onslaught of articles of "A Hillary email had this" or "The Clinton Foundation once did this" along with "Trump once said some really outrageous shit".  It was exhausting.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 11:02:51 AM

The white working class is maybe inexact, but who knows ?
Ultimately, beyond the question of demographics, an alternative to the current economic paradigms is needed.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 12:09:52 PM

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Far-right Israeli politician Bayit Yehudi and Education Minister Naftali Bennett issued a joint statement congratulating Trump and saying, “the era of a Palestinian state is over.”

http://warontherocks.com/2016/11/the-world-reacts-to-president-elect-trump-live-updated/

OK then. Guess at least it's upfront.

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“I’m the catalyst for the downfall of the Blairites, the Clintonites, the Bushites, and all these dreadful people who work hand in glove with Goldman Sachs and everybody else, have made themselves rich, and ruined our countries,” Farage replied. “I couldn’t be happier.”

Farage continued: “That Obama creature – loathsome individual – he couldn’t stand our country. He said we’d be at the back of the queue, didn’t he?”

(...)

Farage then joked about Trump meeting May, saying, “don’t touch her for goodness sake”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/nov/10/nigel-farage-jokes-about-trumps-alleged-sexual-assaults

 :donot

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2016, 12:20:53 PM

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Farage continued: “That Obama creature – loathsome individual – he couldn’t stand our country. He said we’d be at the back of the queue, didn’t he?”

 :pacspit :pacspit :pacspit :pacspit :pacspit

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Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 12:36:27 PM

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223956123&postcount=76

It's pretty amazing just how much of an house of cards the Clinton campaign now appears, even if there's a lot of confirmation bias at work. Slogan analysis for instance is a bit of a futile exercice in projection, had Hillary won (which came down to 100k votes over three states, even if by all means it being a close race was already a problem) we would read lyrical pieces about how those were great slogans and how the Dems were right to endorse optimism in their convention against the Trump negative messaging that the country was broken...

Also Bill Clinton confirmed alt right minority hater by trying to reach poor whites.

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 12:50:48 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2016, 12:20:53 PM

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Farage continued: “That Obama creature – loathsome individual – he couldn’t stand our country. He said we’d be at the back of the queue, didn’t he?”

 :pacspit :pacspit :pacspit :pacspit :pacspit

That also ignores that Obama was the first nominee in history to make a European tour to assure everyone he wasn't Dubya and his first port of call was Britain claiming he would keep up close trade links.

Who knew notorious Tax Dodgers like Trump and Farage look out for each other :doge

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Post by: curly on November 10, 2016, 01:03:53 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 12:36:27 PM

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223956123&postcount=76

From that nytimes article:

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Mrs. Clinton had planned to conclude her 19-month campaign with an elaborate victory celebration on Tuesday night, complete with confetti shaped like glass shards that would fall from the glass ceiling of the Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in Midtown Manhattan — an extravagant production to mark the history of the evening.

 :stahp

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Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 01:06:15 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 07:44:39 AM

Legit hope Andrex is doing ok

Aww.  :heart

I'm fine. America has weathered Nixon and W, we can handle four years of Trump (providing he doesn't go nuke-crazy.) His worse legacy will be in climate and energy - we've hurt the Earth so much, I can only hope it'll hang on a bit longer. Hopefully there's technological innovations in the next couple years that'll offset whatever terrible policies Trump enacts.

I don't see LGBT protections rolled back, but they won't expand. More worrying is the anti-queer attitude a Trump presidency will allow to flourish, so we'll need to be careful and continue to work at expanding social acceptance, as well as rights on a local level.

My one consolation is that MA, CT and ME all went blue, which means the few people I know who voted for Trump (or didn't vote) didn't affect the electoral results. Small victories.

No rest for the weary. No time to whine. Only through diligence and hard work can we make an America that we want. It's clear we didn't work hard enough this time. Let's change that.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:06:39 PM

"ahh! oh god no! this was just supposed to be shaped like glass shards!!!! agh! argh!"

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Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 01:08:18 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 07:57:01 AM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 07:44:39 AM

Legit hope Andrex is doing ok

He posted in the fuck millennials thread yesterday. He's not dumb so he's probably taking better than GAFfers.

I had a good cry the night of but a lot of it was the alcohol and sheer shock of the moment. The next day I woke up, dusted myself off and went back to work.

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Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2016, 01:10:08 PM

Love you, Andy.

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Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 01:12:18 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 12:36:27 PM

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223956123&postcount=76

It's pretty amazing just how much of an house of cards the Clinton campaign now appears, even if there's a lot of confirmation bias at work. Slogan analysis for instance is a bit of a futile exercice in projection, had Hillary won (which came down to 100k votes over three states, even if by all means it being a close race was already a problem) we would read lyrical pieces about how those were great slogans and how the Dems were right to endorse optimism in their convention against the Trump negative messaging that the country was broken...

Also Bill Clinton confirmed alt right minority hater by trying to reach poor whites.

Oh my god, that Benji post. "It's Your Turn."

Fucking  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl

Like Pottery.

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 01:15:09 PM

http://www.vox.com/world/2016/11/10/13585524/donald-trump-phone-call-south-korea-park-geun-hye

The first flip-flop on a Trump policy only took two days after claiming he was going to cut off trade and military deals with South Korea during the campaign :lol

Four years of this shit and already off to a worse start than Dubya. And I'm pretty sure Dubya had a shared partnership with Putin instead of being a bottom. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/moscow-had-contacts-with-trump-team-during-campaign-russian-diplomat-says/2016/11/10/28fb82fa-a73d-11e6-9bd6-184ab22d218e_story.html?tid=sm_tw

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Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 01:17:11 PM

From that list of slogan, I like "Keep moving" (Nothing to see here ?)

Quote

W. Bush are nowhere near as bad

I love his folksy charm as much as anyone and he's not a raging egomaniac, but he's the man who authorized Guantanamo, black sites, torture, widespread surveillance and getting into an unnecessary war despite a lot of international unrest, ignoring and lying to the UN in the process.

W.Bush legacy was terrible.

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 01:20:01 PM

The Republican leadership is going to come to the harsh realization that people do want a wall, they do want renegotiated trade treaties, they do want a deportation force, they do want Obamacare repealed while also wanting affordable healthcare, they do want a larger military, they do want drastically lower taxes and they want all of this to not raise the debt. It's going to be sad watching them.

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Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 01:20:49 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 10, 2016, 01:15:45 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 10, 2016, 01:06:15 PM

America has weathered Nixon and W, we can handle four years of Trump

Nixon and W. Bush are nowhere near as bad as Trump and you know it :doge

No shit. No fucking shit. Did I say they were?

They're emblematic of a divided America. They were terrible presidents that led to a lot of doomsday talk and hyperbole and hand-wringing from the left.

But you know what? America got through it, just like we'll get through this.

Quote from: Dufus on November 10, 2016, 01:15:45 PM

This is what you can expect from Trump. Basically, anything.

It's worrying mostly because of the GOP controlling congress. Anything they want is only a Trump signature away, and if Trump doesn't really care he'll probably just sign it. The Republicans have free reign now and that's what scares me most about Trump's presidency.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:27:03 PM

https://www.greatagain.gov/

 :rejoice

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Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2016, 01:29:32 PM

I think I might reactivate my Facebook after inauguration day to make a single post each month: unemployment figures, budget deficits, trade deficits, average wage increases, CPI and national debt figures.  That should be a good way to engage the Trump supporters I know.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2016, 01:29:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:27:03 PM

https://www.greatagain.gov/

 :rejoice

https://www.greatagain.gov/news/help-wanted-4000-presidential-appointees.html

Look at all this job creation. :bow Big Government :bow2

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:30:54 PM

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The Department of Justice is indicting former Rep. Aaron Schock

President-elect Trump gets results against corruption!

Drain the swamp!

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Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 01:36:39 PM

Quote from: Mupepe on November 10, 2016, 10:43:14 AM

The negativity created a tune out effect I think.  I was tired of both campaigns and onslaught of articles of "A Hillary email had this" or "The Clinton Foundation once did this" along with "Trump once said some really outrageous shit".  It was exhausting.

Yeah, I was done with the election by June

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:37:48 PM

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cwrf79IXgAAweWm.jpg)

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A national recall went out Wednesday for the special “Madame President” issue of Newsweek that was prematurely shipped to stores and newsstands across the country.

At the same time, the publisher of the magazine will rush the “President Trump” version of the commemorative issue to press on Thursday — so it will get to stores next week.

“Like everybody else, we got it wrong,” said Tony Romando, CEO of Topix Media, the Newsweek partner which produces special issues under the popular brand.

Both a Clinton and a Trump commemorative issue were designed and laid out in advance, but Topix Media, believing late last week that Clinton was likely to win, shipped only the Clinton issue.

whoops

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 01:39:26 PM

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Secretary of Education:
Dr. Ben Carson
Hoover Institution fellow William Evers

:aah

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 10, 2016, 01:42:48 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 01:17:11 PM

From that list of slogan, I like "Keep moving" (Nothing to see here ?)

Quote

W. Bush are nowhere near as bad

I love his folksy charm as much as anyone and he's not a raging egomaniac, but he's the man who authorized Guantanamo, black sites, torture, widespread surveillance and getting into an unnecessary war despite a lot of international unrest, ignoring and lying to the UN in the process.

W.Bush legacy was terrible.

And its a legacy that will never end.  Imagine all the Trump shit people will still be living with in 20 years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 01:45:50 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 12:36:27 PM

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223956123&postcount=76

It's pretty amazing just how much of an house of cards the Clinton campaign now appears, even if there's a lot of confirmation bias at work. Slogan analysis for instance is a bit of a futile exercice in projection, had Hillary won (which came down to 100k votes over three states, even if by all means it being a close race was already a problem) we would read lyrical pieces about how those were great slogans and how the Dems were right to endorse optimism in their convention against the Trump negative messaging that the country was broken...

Also Bill Clinton confirmed alt right minority hater by trying to reach poor whites.

Bill warned them. I'm guessing Obama and Biden warned them too. Amazing...

Nothing really changed from 08. She simply hired some of Obama's top people but operated the same

At least we don't have to hear from the Clintons anymore. Meanwhile Obama has to travel the country to find a potential Jedi capable of striking down Darth Trump.

already better than The Force Awakens
:whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2016, 01:50:30 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 10, 2016, 01:46:20 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 01:17:11 PM

I love his folksy charm as much as anyone and he's not a raging egomaniac, but he's the man who authorized Guantanamo, black sites, torture, widespread surveillance and getting into an unnecessary war despite a lot of international unrest, ignoring and lying to the UN in the process.

that was probably all Cheney

Does it matter? That's probably gonna be the worst part of Trump's presidency; not the shitty stuff he'll do, but the shitty stuff he's gonna let other people do just because he doesn't know or care.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 02:18:38 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 01:20:01 PM

The Republican leadership is going to come to the harsh realization that people do want a wall, they do want renegotiated trade treaties, they do want a deportation force, they do want Obamacare repealed while also wanting affordable healthcare, they do want a larger military, they do want drastically lower taxes and they want all of this to not raise the debt. It's going to be sad watching them.

The fun part is when the House splits.

Remember how the freedom caucus held up everything?

Well, now the "Bush" caucus will hold up stuff like trade wars.

Best case scenario anyway.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 02:19:26 PM

America survived Nixon. Cambodia? Not so much.

spoiler (click to show/hide)

I like your attitude Andy.

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 02:28:49 PM

Who are the electoral college voters?

Can 30 of them flip?

Find out on my facebook news feed.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 10, 2016, 02:50:10 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 10, 2016, 01:47:43 PM

HOLY SHIT at the nytimes.com pic of Trump and Obama shaking hands

Trump REALLY didn't want to be president did he :sabu

He will start to boast himself up in some days, weeks or until inaguration if we are optimistic and hopelful. But he probably thought that winning the election would feel better than what he is currently feeling.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 02:56:17 PM

Quote from: james on November 10, 2016, 02:18:38 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 01:20:01 PM

The Republican leadership is going to come to the harsh realization that people do want a wall, they do want renegotiated trade treaties, they do want a deportation force, they do want Obamacare repealed while also wanting affordable healthcare, they do want a larger military, they do want drastically lower taxes and they want all of this to not raise the debt. It's going to be sad watching them.

The fun part is when the House splits.

Remember how the freedom caucus held up everything?

Well, now the "Bush" caucus will hold up stuff like trade wars.

Best case scenario anyway.

I can't wait for Trump to start savaging the people that fight him on his agenda.  I expect a serious bodycount in the primaries.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2016, 03:10:37 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 10, 2016, 01:47:43 PM

HOLY SHIT at the nytimes.com pic of Trump and Obama shaking hands

Trump REALLY didn't want to be president did he :sabu

Nope. SAD!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

I've seen people mentioning that there isn't anything holding congress back from immediately impeaching Trump day 1 and letting Pence take over.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 10, 2016, 03:15:04 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 01:45:50 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 12:36:27 PM

http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=223956123&postcount=76

It's pretty amazing just how much of an house of cards the Clinton campaign now appears, even if there's a lot of confirmation bias at work. Slogan analysis for instance is a bit of a futile exercice in projection, had Hillary won (which came down to 100k votes over three states, even if by all means it being a close race was already a problem) we would read lyrical pieces about how those were great slogans and how the Dems were right to endorse optimism in their convention against the Trump negative messaging that the country was broken...

Also Bill Clinton confirmed alt right minority hater by trying to reach poor whites.

Bill warned them. I'm guessing Obama and Biden warned them too. Amazing...

Nothing really changed from 08. She simply hired some of Obama's top people but operated the same

At least we don't have to hear from the Clintons anymore. Meanwhile Obama has to travel the country to find a potential Jedi capable of striking down Darth Trump.

already better than The Force Awakens
:whew

member chewbacca?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: stufte on November 10, 2016, 03:20:11 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 10, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

I've seen people mentioning that there isn't anything holding congress back from immediately impeaching Trump day 1 and letting Pence take over.

Dear god, no. Pence would be worse than Trump in so many ways.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 10, 2016, 03:24:01 PM

Quote from: stufte on November 10, 2016, 03:20:11 PM

Quote from: Brehvolution on November 10, 2016, 03:13:31 PM

I've seen people mentioning that there isn't anything holding congress back from immediately impeaching Trump day 1 and letting Pence take over.

Dear god, no. Pence would be worse than Trump in so many ways.

That's the point. Trump may push back on some of the more evil things the gop has on it's list. Whereas Pence would be a rubber stamp for it all.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 03:37:23 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305339-clinton-world-dumbfounded-by-hillarys-election-defeat

Clinton Campaign ignored Michigan despite campaign workers saying there was a problem and ignored other "Rust Belt" states. Didn't do tracking polls in the final month or go back to campaign in states Bernie won. And seemed to put more effort and time into the victory party than actually winning the thing because they believed "He's Trump" would take them through

:mindblown :snoop :picard :iface :idont :cmonson

(The dem fuckery from the fallout is going to be even more amazing in the next few weeks)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

"But it's her turn, tho? :idont "

As soon as that DNC e-mail leak showing their contempt for Bernie happened, it was over IMO. I voted write-in (instead of reluctantly Hillary despite my distaste toward her/history) on that alone. You wanna rig your Primary (that I couldn't even vote in, due to state laws/being independent party) against someone that is getting more political action/enthusiasm because "it's her turn?" Fuck off. Double fuck off to Debbie for it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 03:40:20 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 03:37:23 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305339-clinton-world-dumbfounded-by-hillarys-election-defeat

Clinton Campaign ignored Michigan despite campaign workers saying there was a problem and ignored other "Rust Belt" states. Didn't do tracking polls in the final month or go back to campaign in states Bernie won. And seemed to put more effort and time into the victory party than actually winning the thing because they believed "He's Trump" would take them through

:mindblown :snoop :picard :iface :idont :cmonson

(The dem fuckery from the fallout is going to be even more amazing in the next few weeks)

Jesus Christ

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: T-Short on November 10, 2016, 03:42:31 PM

https://twitter.com/hannorein/status/796804223941931010 (https://twitter.com/hannorein/status/796804223941931010)

fuckin' annihilated

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 03:42:33 PM

The glimmer of hope is that I'm actually being surprised (in a mourningful good way) by the way the people of our nation are coming together and crossing party lines to be against Trump.  I live in a very red part of California, and I've been really surprised constantly everywhere I go overhearing local upper middle class/rich white republicans being upset & depressed Trump won.  The slightly lower overall republican turn out in the election which was already boosted by a lot of new gains, means a good chunk of republicans did not vote for him because they're decent people and didn't want to vote for what he stood for.  Yeah, there are plenty of horrible people out there, many who are going to be empowered by this, but just like in high school where there were always douchebag shitheads being loud, they weren't the majority and they're not the majority of americans.  Most americans from what I'm seeing reject Trump and his ideals, regardless of party lines.  There's decent good working people everywhere which is nice to still be reminded of.  Fwiw, I've never seen republicans as united with democrats as yesterday and today on a local anecdotal basis.  Decent people do not want what Trump represents.

Also everyone both democrats/independants/some republicans, young, old, male, female, white, minority are all REALLY energized right now and working together and what they can do now, for the next for years, and for 2020.  A big issue with democratic candidates is always the apathetic /shrug not worth voting turnout problem when things get complacent.  For all the flaws and blame, at the end of the day when democrats can get people to give a shit and come out and vote, they win.  From what I'm seeing, this election just lit a fire under everyone's ass and the turnout in 2020 could be huge if they can maintain the energy (which unfortunately may be maintained by lots of horrible shit happening on a regular basis). 

Now obviously these are all just small positives in an overall very bad situation that is going to hurt, kill and destroy lots of people over the next 4 years and fuck up a ton of stuff which is beyond horrible.  But at least there's some hope still, which is better than an abyss of nothing but death and destruction.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: nachobro on November 10, 2016, 03:43:41 PM

If she fucked up her campaign that badly, I can't imagine how mismanaged her presidency would have been. How much donor money did they have again? Jesus what a fuckup :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:53:33 PM

Quote from: Hyoushi on November 10, 2016, 03:42:31 PM

https://twitter.com/hannorein/status/796804223941931010 (https://twitter.com/hannorein/status/796804223941931010)

fuckin' annihilated

On the bright side of that burn, though:

https://twitter.com/GossiTheDog/status/796477343997030404


And on a lighter note:

https://twitter.com/GreatDismal/status/796799232900407296

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 10, 2016, 03:53:51 PM

Man, liberal twitter is getting stupid, William Gibson just retweeted someone comparing the election as the twin towers falling.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 10, 2016, 04:01:11 PM

It's not really out of the realm. My co-worker and I were comparing times we had been 'the most shocked' by a news event and 9/11 and Tyson losing to Buster Douglas were the ones we came up with.

Actually, 9/11 was less shocking because there was a precedent for it (the bombings in 94). It was just the method that was shocking.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 10, 2016, 04:02:01 PM

Quote from: ToxicAdam

It's not really out of the realm. My co-worker and I were comparing times we had been 'the most shocked' by a news event and 9/11 and Tyson losing to Buster Douglas were the ones we came up with.

Actually, 9/11 was less shocking because there was a precedent for it (the bombings in 94). It was just the method that was shocking.

Is shocking but not close to be the same kind of tragedy

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 03:42:33 PM

The glimmer of hope is that I'm actually being surprised (in a mourningful good way) by the way the people of our nation are coming together and crossing party lines to be against Trump.  I live in a very red part of California, and I've been really surprised constantly everywhere I go overhearing local upper middle class/rich white republicans being upset & depressed Trump won.  The slightly lower overall republican turn out in the election which was already boosted by a lot of new gains, means a good chunk of republicans did not vote for him because they're decent people and didn't want to vote for what he stood for.  Yeah, there are plenty of horrible people out there, many who are going to be empowered by this, but just like in high school where there were always douchebag shitheads being loud, they weren't the majority and they're not the majority of americans.  Most americans from what I'm seeing reject Trump and his ideals, regardless of party lines.  There's decent good working people everywhere which is nice to still be reminded of.  Fwiw, I've never seen republicans as united with democrats as yesterday and today on a local anecdotal basis.  Decent people do not want what Trump represents.

Also everyone both democrats/independants/some republicans, young, old, male, female, white, minority are all REALLY energized right now and working together and what they can do now, for the next for years, and for 2020.  A big issue with democratic candidates is always the apathetic /shrug not worth voting turnout problem when things get complacent.  For all the flaws and blame, at the end of the day when democrats can get people to give a shit and come out and vote, they win.  From what I'm seeing, this election just lit a fire under everyone's ass and the turnout in 2020 could be huge if they can maintain the energy (which unfortunately may be maintained by lots of horrible shit happening on a regular basis). 

Now obviously these are all just small positives in an overall very bad situation that is going to hurt, kill and destroy lots of people over the next 4 years and fuck up a ton of stuff which is beyond horrible.  But at least there's some hope still, which is better than an abyss of nothing but death and destruction.

Tell that to the new and old media.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:03:15 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

"But it's her turn, tho? :idont "

As soon as that DNC e-mail leak showing their contempt for Bernie happened, it was over IMO. I voted write-in (instead of reluctantly Hillary despite my distaste toward her/history) on that alone. You wanna rig your Primary (that I couldn't even vote in, due to state laws/being independent party) against someone that is getting more political action/enthusiasm because "it's her turn?" Fuck off. Double fuck off to Debbie for it.

I still think dwelling on this was pointless.  Everyone has their preferences, and if you hack anyone's emails they will probably say some negative stuff about other people in private.  Bernie even came out and said as much.  I never saw anything that showed the DNC rigged the primary so Bernie couldn't win if that was who people wanted more.  He lost the primary by millions of votes, it wasn't even close.  I voted for Hillary in the primary over Bernie and nobody rigged my vote to make me pick her.  I compared the two and I liked Hillary's policies which were thoroughly detailed better than the pie in the sky we'll put the banks in jail! Bernie talk which was about as realistic as Trump putting Hillary in jail.  Bernie did a terrible job with minorities and the blue collar/millennial vote wasn't enough to win him the primary.  But hey, it was rigged against him and the DNC are cheats so lots of people didn't vote D to spite the DNC (every day now I'm hearing from more and more independent or democratic registered friends/friends of friends who didn't vote D because they were unhappy Bernie lost), and now we have Trump.  Yay.

Quote from: Boredfrom on November 10, 2016, 04:02:01 PM

Tell that to the new and old media.

?  The TV stuff I'm seeing in the background (not Fox News though), has been pretty much interviewing people who are like Trump is a terrible person, why did you do this america?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:08:41 PM

Quote from: Boredfrom on November 10, 2016, 03:53:51 PM

Man, liberal twitter is getting stupid, William Gibson just retweeted someone comparing the election as the twin towers falling.

He's generally not that bad and pretty reasonable. But Clara in general (who him and Joss Whedon apparently follow) is an idiot.

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:03:15 PM

I still think dwelling on this was pointless.  Everyone has their preferences, and if you hack anyone's emails they will probably say some negative stuff about other people in private.  Bernie even came out and said as much. 

Sure, and I don't disagree. But, it confirmed what a lot of people thought: The DNC did not want him in the primary race and didn't want any challengers because "it's her turn!" That's what pissed a lot of his supporters off. All you had to do was go to reddit's /r/politics to see how many people hated the way Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was handling the primary and thinking it was rigged.

Rigged or not, we'll never know. The e-mails just show they had contempt for him and that's where my issue comes in. If you can't give that person an honest attempt or at least try some of his policies and getting them into Clinton (who did it too late, IMO), why should I vote for you?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 04:10:40 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:53:33 PM

And on a lighter note:

https://twitter.com/GreatDismal/status/796799232900407296

The biggest mystery of this campaign will be how someone as educated and talented as Ben Carson is as dumb as he is.  And not like folksy dumb or just full of shitty ideas like lots of Republicans, but like, someone who tries to cook meth in a Walmart bathroom bathroom by putting up a handmade "out of order" sign dumb.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2016, 04:13:18 PM

Bernie Sanders wasn't even a Democrat until last November, of course the DNC didn't want him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 04:13:57 PM

username every time I think you're not an idiot you pull something stupid out and parade it like you're on a goddamn runway.

Get fucked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 04:14:40 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:08:41 PM

All you had to do was go to reddit's /r/politics

:dead

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:17:00 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 03:37:23 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305339-clinton-world-dumbfounded-by-hillarys-election-defeat

Related:

http://www.citylab.com/politics/2016/11/the-shattering-of-clintons-blue-wall-in-two-maps/507149/

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 10, 2016, 04:13:57 PM

username every time I think you're not an idiot you pull something stupid out and parade it like you're on a goddamn runway.

Get fucked.

How's that Trump win working for you? Like I told you would happen? :smug

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 10, 2016, 04:14:40 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:08:41 PM

All you had to do was go to reddit's /r/politics

:dead

I know, I know. But that is where Sander's supporters were. Which is where Clinton should've been as soon as he flamed out and trying to get support.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 04:20:55 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:17:00 PM

How's that Trump win working for you? Like I told you would happen? :smug

Wow, you sure showed us. Thanks for essentially voting for a VP that endorses conversion therapy. You're a sparkling gem of humanity.

Have fun in the write-in club with JayDubya and AiA. You'll fit right in, you two-faced piece of human garbage.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:21:21 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:53:33 PM

And on a lighter note:

https://twitter.com/GreatDismal/status/796799232900407296

Welp...
https://twitter.com/scalzi/status/796805062878228480

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 04:21:43 PM

Who did Username vote for?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:21:54 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 10, 2016, 04:10:56 PM

The focus shift from "millenial protest voters and third parties think they have any influence in this election. LOL! Hillary already is guaranteed to reach 270 at a minimum we don't need to appease or even mention their name" to "wow you really ruined this election. Don't you know every vote counts? We counted on you guys!"

 It shows a complete lack of self-awareness, and that needs to be one front that is corrected.

I know people are saying the democrats ignored the youth vote, but somehow I didn't see that?  I'll admit I may have been in a bubble, only watching the bigger events but when I watched the convention, it seemed like everyone was talking to the young youth voters to get out and vote.  I mean they tried to make Hillary look "cool" for a bit, but that just horribly failed because she was not cool, at all.  I'm not sure what else they could have done to bring in youth voters?

I do agree in the very last week or so when the polls became very much in Hillary's favor, people (especially gaf) got really full of themselves, which was dumb because you don't count your eggs before they hatch.  I mean on election day I was getting a massage from a gay therapist and he was asking me what kind of drink I thought Hillary would have when she won and how many electoral votes she was gonna win by.  I was like uhhh, don't jinx it and was totally nervous even before numbers came in because I tend to be more expect the worst, hope for the best myself.

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 10, 2016, 04:20:55 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:17:00 PM

How's that Trump win working for you? Like I told you would happen? :smug

Wow, you sure showed us. Thanks for essentially voting for a VP that endorses conversion therapy. You're a sparkling gem of humanity.

Have fun in the write-in club with JayDubya and AiA. You'll fit right in, you two-faced piece of human garbage.

Pretty sure JayDubya is a hardcore republican though, and by writing in and not choosing trump, he's actively disowning Trump's policies which is a positive thing.  I do have issues with democrats who wrote in Harambe or some other stupid shit though as wtf :|

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 04:23:54 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

I voted write-in

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

I voted write-in

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

I voted write-in

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

I voted write-in

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

I voted write-in

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

I voted write-in

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 03:39:37 PM

I voted write-in

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 04:24:36 PM

He probably voted for Harambe.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:26:10 PM

Also related to going to the Internet to find the political issues:

https://twitter.com/SiyandaWrites/status/796286719058382848

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 04:24:36 PM

He probably voted for Harambe.

No. Busta Rhymes like A_I_A. Because plot twist: I've been A_I_A all this time. :doge Also to both of you: I've stated I live in a blue-county. My vote "mattering" insofar as holding my nose and voting Hillary? Didn't matter, still went to Hillary. BUT: Didn't matter, state went Trump because the rural areas around the county (read: Other countries) had issues that Trump supported.

IMO: Both of them were shit candidates for various reasons. You can blame me for Trump, and I'll take that. But I wasn't going to vote for either of them.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 04:27:29 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:17:00 PM

How's that Trump win working for you? Like I told you would happen? :smug

Let me get this straight.

You're gloating that Trump won.

But you voted write in.

(http://i.imgur.com/zNLITgi.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:28:40 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 04:27:29 PM

Let me get this straight.

You're gloating that Trump won.

But you voted write in.

http://i.imgur.com/zNLITgi.gif

See above. My vote going to Hillary wouldn't have mattered. But go on and blame me for his inevitable win in states that Hillary wouldn't have held like I told you guys about. I can take it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 04:29:25 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:26:10 PM

You can blame me for Trump, and I'll take that.

I don't need your permission, you're guilty of it either way.

Next four years should be fun. You might as well not even post in this thread anymore tbh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:33:03 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:28:40 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 04:27:29 PM

Let me get this straight.

You're gloating that Trump won.

But you voted write in.

http://i.imgur.com/zNLITgi.gif

See above. My vote going to Hillary wouldn't have mattered. But go on and blame me for his inevitable win in states that Hillary wouldn't have held like I told you guys about. I can take it.

I get it.  Some of my friends (mostly younger ones or female friends for some reason) did the same because we live in a very blue state.  The problem is that this is can be a bad idea if the election matters.  Because even in "assured" colored states, if everyone has the same mindset of who cares, my state is red/blue, then it could change.  I still think it's pretty important to vote seriously no matter the situation, but I'm old in my ways at this point and like I said I expect the worst, so I'm not taking chances in something as important as an election.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 04:33:29 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:28:40 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 04:27:29 PM

Let me get this straight.

You're gloating that Trump won.

But you voted write in.

http://i.imgur.com/zNLITgi.gif

See above. My vote going to Hillary wouldn't have mattered. But go on and blame me for his inevitable win in states that Hillary wouldn't have held like I told you guys about. I can take it.

I'm not saying that at all. I'm not even sure what your circumstances are or what state you live in. I'm just confused at your logic because I'm lacking facts. You haven't told me anything. I avoided thebore before the election.

All in all, it still comes across as selfish if you were against Trump. Then again, I have no room to cast fingers: I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 election because I live in a red state. That is an L I will take to my grave given her stances on some issues I disagree about.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:42:27 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:33:03 PM

The problem is that this is can be a bad idea if the election matters.  Because even in "assured" colored states, if everyone has the same mindset of who cares

You only have control over your own vote.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:45:13 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 10, 2016, 04:31:45 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:21:54 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 10, 2016, 04:10:56 PM

The focus shift from "millenial protest voters and third parties think they have any influence in this election. LOL! Hillary already is guaranteed to reach 270 at a minimum we don't need to appease or even mention their name" to "wow you really ruined this election. Don't you know every vote counts? We counted on you guys!"

 It shows a complete lack of self-awareness, and that needs to be one front that is corrected.

I know people are saying the democrats ignored the youth vote, but somehow I didn't see that?  I'll admit I may have been in a bubble, only watching the bigger events but when I watched the convention, it seemed like everyone was talking to the young youth voters to get out and vote.  I mean they tried to make Hillary look "cool" for a bit, but that just horribly failed because she was not cool, at all.  I'm not sure what else they could have done to bring in my youth voters?

I do agree in the very last week or so when the polls became very much in Hillary's favor, people (especially gaf) got really full of themselves, which was dumb because you don't count your eggs before they hatch.  I mean on election day I was getting a massage from a gay therapist and he was asking me what kind of drink I thought Hillary would have when she won and how many electoral votes she was gonna win by.  I was like uhhh, don't jinx it and was totally nervous even before numbers came in because I tend to be more expect the worst, hope for the best myself.

I don't think millennials or the air of anti-establishment views in America were ever seriously considered. I think there's this mixture of inattention that went on from either arrogance or insulation. They took minority votes and states completely for granted, that "thehill" article even cites an aide that thought they didn't do well enough in the rust belt because they thought it was on lock. I also think they took appeasement to Bernie supporters to a certain extent, but kinda ignored the possibility of large political ramifications happening. Look at the DNC 2016, protests and chants erupted across speeches, yet it was completely dismissed. They appeased on some policies, they told them to have unity, and just took for granted that they had to vote for her come election day. I don't think millennials didn't turn out because they were lazy or took things for granted, I think their lack of voting is a sign of discontent that wasn't properly addressed.

Again, I'm not sure what you wanted them to do?  Like you said, they did react to the Bernie voters which was mostly the millennial vote by moving further left and incorporating some of Bernie's policies in saying that she was going to work with him and push for his ideas.  That was totally reactionary and done to make the youth voters/bernie voters feel more comfortable with the Clinton ticket.  Beyond that, I'm not sure what she was supposed to do?  Visit more colleges? 

I agree, the youth vote is incredibly important.  If you can get the youth to come out at 33% instead of 19%, you win the election.  But from the past 4 or 5 elections I've been a part of, the only time the youth seem to come out in good numbers is when someone is cool like Obama.  But in this election, what was "cool" to the youth sadly was actually Trump because of reddit and memes and so white youth voters went for Trump which is pretty scary tbh.  I feel like this subset is a result of this whole super fucked up internet millennial stuff about men not being men and having trouble dating and it's all women's fault, which brings stuff like gamergate and at the end of the day all stems from the internet preventing modern kids from developing healthy social interactions and instead finding group think reinforcement that young men are the victims and it's everyone else's fault.  But now I'm going off on a tanget.  This stuff really bothers me though and is creating a voting block and existing block of frustrated young men who end up in mass shootings, rapes, online abusing, etc.... if they hit a breaking point.  For everything the internet has helped and been amazing for, there's are also many things in the world where the internet has spawned new substantial societal problems and at some point we need to address the problems created by the internet on society.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:47:18 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:42:27 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:33:03 PM

The problem is that this is can be a bad idea if the election matters.  Because even in "assured" colored states, if everyone has the same mindset of who cares

You only have control over your own vote.

Unless you're etiolate, the influencer. :smug

That said, prevalent attitudes about anything don't just pop into existence from nothing.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:48:01 PM

Quote from: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:47:18 PM

That said, prevalent attitudes about anything don't just pop into existence from nothing.

That sounds like it popped in from nothing. :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:49:20 PM

18-29 turnout:
2004: 17% (54-45 Kerry)
2008: 18% (66-32 Obama)
2012: 19% (60-37 Obama)
2016: 19% (55-37 Clinton)

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Post by: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:51:40 PM

Benji, it's not the same set of people each time. :doge

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:48:01 PM

Quote from: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:47:18 PM

That said, prevalent attitudes about anything don't just pop into existence from nothing.

That sounds like it popped in from nothing. :doge

For someone who has studied more bar graphs charting people's sentiments than I have pornography, you're pretty dismissive of the idea that one person's attitudes can be influenced by other people's attitudes.

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Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:52:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:49:20 PM

18-29 turnout:
2004: 17% (54-45 Kerry)
2008: 18% (66-32 Obama)
2012: 19% (60-37 Obama)
2016: 19% (55-37 Clinton)

Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 

Also 18-29 is a pretty large block.  I'd understand 19% in 18-22 range, but by the time you're 25-29 you're a fucking adult and past-college and you should be realizing the world around you matters and these elections have direct effects on you, so you would think people would be voting.

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Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 04:53:38 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:49:20 PM

18-29 turnout:
2004: 17% (54-45 Kerry)
2008: 18% (66-32 Obama)
2012: 19% (60-37 Obama)
2016: 19% (55-37 Clinton)

holy fuck i just realized i'm no longer in this demographic

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:55:02 PM

Quote from: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:51:40 PM

For someone who has studied more bar graphs charting people's sentiments than I have pornography, you're pretty dismissive of the idea that one person's attitudes can be influenced by other people's attitudes.

It's not the vote itself that changes other people's votes.

Or is it? We can't know until we count them all...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 04:55:18 PM

So it turns out I called it. But then I read poligaf and got sucked into their hysteria. Fucking hell.

Quote from: james on March 10, 2016, 11:26:07 AM

I watched the debate on Univision NYC and afterwards they had an Hispanic focus group.

They unanimously said Bernie won.

They were asked what their favorite parts were. Free college and healthcare of course, but one woman said "I really liked how Bernie knows about American intervention in Latin America and how that affected us"

The fact is, Hillarys hawkish intervention past is toxic for Hispanics because US intervention in the Americans is hated by 99% of them (us).

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I love how they have to post 30 times in a row that Hillary "has it" which makes it pretty damn clear how nervous they are that theyre backing such a weak candidate.

When youre winning, you dont need to repeat 100 times that youre winning so everyone knows that youre winning and guys seriously we're winning, guys, guys guys?

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 12:20:22 PM

Trump vs Hillary

Trump wins Ohio and Pennsylvania. I guarantee it.

Im buying as soon as those markets go online on predictit

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 12:50:59 PM

This is going to be a different election.

Blue dogs voting dems is over. Obama and Hills have strongly supported closing down coal and also strongly support free trade agreements that kill the rust belt. Say what you want about free trade, the fact is, the American manufacturer loses, and free trade policies have not included ANY mitigation for these job losses. Look at Detroit, Youngstown, Pittsburgh etc.

Unions have only voted Dem because Republicans have been fighting to kill unions. Not that Dems have done anything to strengthen or protect unions, they simply have been less-worse. And quite frankly, every time an R wants to pass an anti-union measure, they win. D puts up a half-assed fight but loses. What was the last pro-labor thing the Dems did?

Trump isnt a standard R. He wants tariffs that WILL bring back manufacturing jobs. As far as I know, hes said nothing anti-union, and I believe all his hotel workers are unionized. He also has been very pro-cop (aka, pro union cop).

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 12:53:40 PM

If Trump takes the manufacturing core of our country, he wins, 270 to 268

http://www.270towin.com/maps/qKZp6

Look at that mother fucking map.

I nailed it so hard Hillarys ass is still sore

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 01:16:04 PM

My favorite part of this election is how his ceiling has gone up from 20% to apparently, now 45%.

Every single person who voted for Romney will vote for Trump. But Trump will also get all the blue collar white voters who stayed home thanks to the 47% comments + anti-union message.

Remember how in the general election, Mass and Maryland voted R for governor? You know how Wisconsin and Ohio keep voting for their same idiot R governors over and over again? Remember how Florida voted for the guy who robbed from their medicare accounts?

You dont think those same voters will vote Trump?

Im a god damn prodigy

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 01:24:53 PM

But please, rationalize how the GOP controls the House, the Senate, and most of the states at all levels but theyre the party in disarray that no one would ever vote for, especially with a populist candidate against Hillary "I lost last time" Clinton.

Ask Martha Coakley how that works out.

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 02:14:47 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on March 14, 2016, 01:40:57 PM

Coakley was a shitty candidate that lost two elections in a solid Dem state.

My point exactly. Hillary is losing primary after primary in solid Dem states like Michigan and Vermont.

And she already lost 8 years ago.

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Pretty much all of your examples can be answered by "core parts of the Dem coalition (namely young people and minorities) don't turn out in off year elections, while old white people do." The dems lost heavily in 2010 and 2014; strangely they seemed to do alright in 2012 when, you know, there was a presidential election. They did especially awful in 2014 because they had a shit ton of Senate seats to defend from the 2008 election.

But sure. Let's ignore all that because America is ready to elect a racist fascist. K.

Dems won in 2008 and 2012. Yup. You argue its because it was a presidential year.

Uh, how did that work out in 2000 and 2004?

Maybe youth turned out because Obama was on the ticket?

You know, someone who wont be on the ticket this year?

Last I checked, 90% of the youth vote is going AGAINST Hillary.

You think theyre going to turn out this November to vote for her, rather than stay home and drink Mountain Dew like they did in 2014, 2010, 2006, 2004, 2002, 2000 and 1998?

I mean, am I right or am I always right?

Quote from: james on March 14, 2016, 02:25:05 PM

"After his impeachment proceedings in 1998 and 1999, Clinton's rating reached its highest point at 73% approval. He finished with a Gallup poll approval rating of 65% higher than that of every other departing president measured since Harry Truman."


Anyone care to remind me how that worked out for his VP. which ran for president in 2000, a year Ive been told has huge Democrat turnout?

On the backs of a soaring economy?

And a balanced budget?

Anyone?

Anyone?

Quote from: james on April 06, 2016, 03:12:26 PM

You know what would be cool?

One person, one vote.

IT'S NOT THAT FUCKING HARD WHY DOES AMERICA HATE DEMOCRACY

Ill be signing posts at the Barnes in Nobles Friday from 11am to 1pm

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:56:30 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:52:25 PM

Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 

Also 18-29 is a pretty large block.  I'd understand 19% in 18-22 range, but by the time you're 25-29 you're a fucking adult and past-college and you should be realizing the world around you matters and these elections have direct effects on you, so you would think people would be voting.

There's the rub. Maybe it's hopeless though, given that the number is so stable in recent elections.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:56:53 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:52:25 PM

Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 

That's their share of the voters. 19% of the voters. I shouldn't have said turnout.

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Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 04:57:10 PM

Even Jaydubya is anti-Trump. We finally agree on something, mate. Viva tejas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 05:01:02 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:55:02 PM

Quote from: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:51:40 PM

For someone who has studied more bar graphs charting people's sentiments than I have pornography, you're pretty dismissive of the idea that one person's attitudes can be influenced by other people's attitudes.

It's not the vote itself that changes other people's votes.

Or is it? We can't know until we count them all...

What are you even getting at right now? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 05:01:05 PM

Quote from: Rufus on November 10, 2016, 04:56:30 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 04:52:25 PM

Yeah, it's pretty crazy how the turnout doesn't really change.  The difference from 2008 vs 2016 is youth white men for Trump.  Probably wasn't big enough to have changed the overall.  But man, if they can ever motivate that 18-29 block to come out in even the 30% it would change everything in politics. 

Also 18-29 is a pretty large block.  I'd understand 19% in 18-22 range, but by the time you're 25-29 you're a fucking adult and past-college and you should be realizing the world around you matters and these elections have direct effects on you, so you would think people would be voting.

There's the rub. Maybe it's hopeless though, given that the number is so stable in recent elections.

I still think it's time for the democrats to try Reagan-type superstar.  Too bad Tom Cruise is crazy scientologist, I'm trying to think of really big name drawn in famous people that would get star support across the map.  Matt Damon?  Leo?  A Bernie/Kanye 2020 ticket would be really interesting.  I think a VP slot would actually be a perfect spot to put in some superstar that brings in the youth since VP doesn't really do anything and is just a showpiece anyhow. 

Like Hillary should have gone with Bernie for the VP.  I don't care about any of the stupid proud reasons or the 1% of democrats who would feel Bernie betrayed them by doing so, it would have motivated more of the Bernie voters to come and vote for the general than what they actually got.  I actually think in a close primary with two popular candidates, it probably would make more sense going forward to combo them after so you don't split your base and leave half of them unhappy with the party.

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Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 05:02:18 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 10, 2016, 04:57:07 PM

:bow james :bow

You know if I hadnt been permed from GAF I could have gotten through the echo chamber





 :neogaf

They would have permed me for trolling by saying that Trump could win Pennsylvania.

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Post by: OnlyRegret on November 10, 2016, 05:04:32 PM

Alright Nostradamus, when do we all get nuked?

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Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 05:07:23 PM

Although unlikely, I wonder if we could see a situation when the DNC are behind the ball again and run an anti-establishment candidate next, but Trump fucks things up so bad people turn on anti-establishment and want a traditional politician to bring things back to how they were and they lose again. 

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Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 05:11:34 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 10, 2016, 05:03:56 PM

Yeah I'd already decided especially because I primary voted against Trump and celebrated his lack of delegates that I couldn't then be all mwahaha when fucko won, but if I had a GAF account right not - impossible given how anyone who is one standard deviation away from Malkan group think gets boxed - I would fucking lose it immediately and quite gleefully.

I was sad yesterday, but today I would absolutely be going all out and rubbing it in deep.

I dont think my account would last an hour.

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Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 05:16:17 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 10, 2016, 05:13:46 PM

I am happy about the inevitable promised tax cuts.  I am happy about the inevitable promised annihilation of Obamacare.

I am less happy about the fact that there is no chance that without significant resistance from "his own party" that he has by no means made campaign promises consistent with fiscal responsibility.


P.S. Remember that debt ceiling thing?  It's back.

Step 1: Spend $100bn on infrastructure
Step 2: Spend $100bn on military and veterans
Step 3: Do not raise debt ceiling
Step 4:

Quote from: OnlyRegret on November 10, 2016, 05:04:32 PM

Alright Nostradamus, when do we all get nuked?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 05:20:01 PM

Jesus the Republicans will raise the debt ceiling no problem. Are you serious with that shit?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 05:26:08 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 10, 2016, 05:13:46 PM

I am happy about the inevitable promised tax cuts.  I am happy about the inevitable promised annihilation of Obamacare.

I am significantly less happy about the fact that there is no chance that without significant resistance from "his own party" that he has by no means made campaign promises consistent with fiscal responsibility.


P.S. Remember that debt ceiling thing?  It's back.  They raised it a lot last time to the glee of many and the chagrin of me.  And we hit it again in March.

I'm guessing you're making $1 million+/year?  Because hell, I make plenty and my taxes may even go slightly down, but I still feel like any change will be so minor it doesn't matter unless you're a 1%er and in return tons of stuff is going to get fucked because there isn't enough money to cover it.  I agree the government is bloated and wastes a ton of money, but since they're never going to cut down on the biggest costs like military spending, taxes are a necessary evil and if you want to lower them you end up defunding important things like education even further.

I think a lot of people who are happy for Obamacare being destroyed are not going to be happy with whatever replaces it.  Especially since Premiums aren't going to go down so everyone will most likely be paying the same amount for worse health insurance and everyone has any condition at all and got insured through Obamacare, which probably is millions of republicans are going to find themselves without insurance or with insurance they can't afford and probably just all die along with democrats in the same situation.  Going to be fun!  :|

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Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 05:26:58 PM

Folks, this candidate would have won the primary and the election:

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Embarked on a grassroots campaign to, in his own words, "take back America from the confederacy of corruption, careerism, and campaign consulting in Washington". In his stump speech, first used while officially announcing his candidacy on the steps of Independence Hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he told listeners that he would only be accepting campaign contributions from individuals and that he would not accept over $100. Continuing with his populist reform theme, he assailed what he dubbed "the bipartisan Incumbent Party in Washington" and called for term limits for members of Congress. Citing various recent scandals on Capitol Hill, particularly the recent House banking scandal and the large congressional pay-raises, he promised to put an end to Congress being a "Stop-and-Shop for the moneyed special interests".

His name?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Jerry Brown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown#1992_presidential_election

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 10, 2016, 05:27:58 PM

https://twitter.com/intlspectator/status/796795500670251009

"Oh fuck we have to deal with the Saudi Arabian King who supplies us with Oil. And he doesn't like what we are saying. Better change it and say we were talking shit!" 

It's only been two days and one of his main campaign promises is up in smoke.

The "Deplorables" already are the "Disposables" :betty

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 05:30:23 PM

The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.

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Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 10, 2016, 05:33:13 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2016, 01:50:30 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 10, 2016, 01:46:20 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 01:17:11 PM

I love his folksy charm as much as anyone and he's not a raging egomaniac, but he's the man who authorized Guantanamo, black sites, torture, widespread surveillance and getting into an unnecessary war despite a lot of international unrest, ignoring and lying to the UN in the process.

that was probably all Cheney

Does it matter? That's probably gonna be the worst part of Trump's presidency; not the shitty stuff he'll do, but the shitty stuff he's gonna let other people do just because he doesn't know or care.

From what Kasich said, I kinda expect him to let Pence do all the heavy lifting. He still has shit to do when this is over, so might as well try and shift the responsibility and culpability to the next sucker anyway.

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Post by: Raist on November 10, 2016, 05:35:06 PM

So are we sure Johnson and Trump aren't related?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: james on November 10, 2016, 05:35:57 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 10, 2016, 05:35:03 PM

So when the counts come in for Arizona/Michigan/NH, there's still a chance Trump will end up actually winning the popular vote, too. Poor Amirox.

Is California done?

There are always more D votes in California

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 10, 2016, 05:43:12 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 05:07:23 PM

Although unlikely, I wonder if we could see a situation when the DNC are behind the ball again and run an anti-establishment candidate next, but Trump fucks things up so bad people turn on anti-establishment and want a traditional politician to bring things back to how they were and they lose again.

Kerry lost too. It's personality that makes voters have faith in the change you're bringing.

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Post by: Boogie on November 10, 2016, 05:47:28 PM

Man, it is tough listening to a hockey dressing  room full of (mostly) white cops talk about the election.

They don't "like" that Trump won, because on some level they recognize him for the cartoon character he is, but.....ugh.    :-/

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Post by: Mupepe on November 10, 2016, 05:52:35 PM

Quote from: Boogie on November 10, 2016, 05:47:28 PM

Man, it is tough listening to a hockey dressing  room full of (mostly) white cops talk about the election.

They don't "like" that Trump won, because on some level they recognize him for the cartoon character he is, but.....ugh.    :-/

Sounds like working in the energy industry based in Texas. Except they all like that Trump won.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2016, 05:58:21 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 05:30:23 PM

The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.

Those people won't be around to vote against you in the next election, so lol.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boogie on November 10, 2016, 06:18:40 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 10, 2016, 05:49:04 PM

Quote from: Boogie on November 10, 2016, 05:47:28 PM

Man, it is tough listening to a hockey dressing  room full of (mostly) white cops talk about the election.

They don't "like" that Trump won, because on some level they recognize him for the cartoon character he is, but.....ugh.    :-/

How many times have you discussed pussy grabbing, real talk?

Zero.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 10, 2016, 06:47:17 PM

Ya but hpw many times have you accidentally helped each other let off each others guns in the shower?

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Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 07:03:23 PM

Lockheed Martin doesn't even make stuff that works. South Carolina levels of being a ward of D.C.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2016, 07:05:40 PM

F-35s work, but it’ll be an extra $500 million if you want the “doesn’t catch fire in flight” option.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 07:28:47 PM

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-knows-a-fact-920084

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 07:36:01 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 07:28:47 PM

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-knows-a-fact-920084

He posted this or something like it a few months ago and it made sense but, Occam's razor and everything. I think Trump did want to be president but never really thought it through, and was hoping that a loss (if it did happen) would end his campaign with him being more of a household name.

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Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 07:38:16 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 10, 2016, 07:36:01 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 10, 2016, 07:28:47 PM

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/michael-moore-knows-a-fact-920084

He posted this or something like it a few months ago and it made sense but, Occam's razor and everything. I think Trump did want to be president but never really thought it through, and was hoping that a loss (if it did happen) would end his campaign with him being more of a household name.

Same here. I see him shaking hands with Obama and it looks clear as day he doesn't want this role. But maybe that's just my imagination.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 07:50:16 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 05:30:23 PM

The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.

Health saving accounts for all  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 07:52:25 PM

Meh. Sounds deluded. Trump is gonna make a ton of money off being president until he dies. His name recognition will be through the roof, people will flock to make business with his family, the doors to the real old money will open to him worldwide and he'll be in high demand for speeches and books when he leaves office. That's like 100 times better (and ego fulfilling) than even a fat TV deal.

Super stressful job so being apprehensive is normal, but if it is an issue then he'll delegate the shit out if it as rumored.

Navy Seal Zach at the DNC punching Brazile out of stage.  :salute

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2016, 07:55:03 PM

Trump wanted to win to show up Obama and stroke his own ego, but he didn't actually think the whole thing through and now he's thinking about how he's going to be locked into this for at least 4 years and can't just drop it like an Atlantic City casino when he gets tired of it. Also, the Trump business is soon to be taken out of his hands completely [in theory].

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: nudemacusers on November 10, 2016, 08:01:19 PM

Quote from: OnlyRegret on November 10, 2016, 05:04:32 PM

Alright Nostradamus, when do we all get nuked?

nobody nuking nobody

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 08:11:53 PM

Also didn't Trump do a fair share of rallies ? He spent a ton less but he did work for it.
Trump not wanting the job sounds like wishful thinking he won't go through with some of his promises.

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Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 08:15:16 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 10, 2016, 08:11:53 PM

Also didn't Trump do a fair share of rallies ? He spent a ton less but he did work for it.
Trump not wanting the job sounds like wishful thinking he won't go through with some of his promises.

Eh, he absolutely loves crowds so I'm not surprised by that.

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Post by: Kara on November 10, 2016, 08:20:11 PM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 10, 2016, 07:05:40 PM

F-35s work, but it’ll be an extra $500 million if you want the “doesn’t catch fire in flight” option.

*car buying face* Throw in a set of new tires for the STOVL version and you got yourself a deal.

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Even for me this joke might be a bit niche.

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Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 08:20:38 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-win-starts-a-new-era-for-republicans-1478738769

Republicans are now scurrying to carry out trump's policy they previously disagreed with. Fuck republicans.

As far as I'm concerned, people who didn't vote for trump but still vote republican like AiA are very much the problem. Now those same people who disagreed with his policy are diving in head first to stay relevant and define a new definition of republicans. Basically, if you're republican you co-opt Trump and if that's the case, then fuck you. A party made up of cowards and fuckbois.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 10, 2016, 08:29:06 PM

I don't think any Republican wildly disagreed with Trump's policies, with a little bit of leeway on the Muslim ban (now "extreme vetting") and perhaps the border wall.

The elected GOP just disagreed with his extreme persona and bringing to bear the racism, sexism and xenophobia the right had previously been able to contain under the table.

With the base now fully on board the Trump train, there's no reason to condemn his behavior. That's what the GOP electorate want. So why not indulge them?

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 08:50:48 PM

If Trump gets republicans to support infrastructure spending again.
 :itagaki

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 10, 2016, 08:53:51 PM

This graph makes a good case that Obama was only good for Obama


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw7yXN4XEAAf6eE.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 10, 2016, 08:55:40 PM

Or you know, maybe racists gonna racist.

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Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 10, 2016, 09:20:26 PM

Isn't it racists gonna race?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 09:43:34 PM

I was thinking how a lot of left-leaning/democrat/liberal people who live in red parts of states or red states often get sick of it and move to somewhere more liberal.  Well if this happens regularly, doesn't this just push things more red?  I mean the progressives end up in cities already progressive and the red counties have one family or one person less to go against to stay red?  I wonder how much this grouping of similar politically minded groups keeps the status quo and prevents counties from changing along with demographics.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Sausage on November 10, 2016, 10:14:42 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 10, 2016, 11:34:49 AM

You know, the one thing that I couldn't believe didn't get as much traction was when Hillary said the Reagans were great on AIDS after Nancy died. That was a one day story, she walked it back, then everyone just brushed it off. Including LGBT supporters. If there was ever a moment in the campaign where you needed to be reminded that she was a career politician who will say what she needs to say depending on where she's at, that was it for me. Absolutely disgusting.

Honestly, this gave me a lot of pause. How do you say something that fucking dumb, when you're supposed to have been involved in progressive politics for 30+ years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 10, 2016, 10:15:36 PM

What are we supposed to do? Why the fuck should I stay in a red state that wants to take away my rights? It's best to think of states as individual countries. Also I'm sure most people stay where their roots are anyways. I don't know too many people if any at all who have moved out from the state where we were raised even if we live in a red state. Why? Because cities generally tend to be blue enough as is without having to move.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 10, 2016, 10:25:40 PM

Been think about the win and I think was really bothers me is that it destroys be belief that America was slowly becoming socially more equitable.  I think I truly believed that Trump wasn't electable because he's Trump and its not 1954 anymore.  This bothers me more than the things he's going to do. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Sausage on November 10, 2016, 10:39:56 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 10, 2016, 08:53:51 PM

This graph makes a good case that Obama was only good for Obama


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw7yXN4XEAAf6eE.jpg)

tbh this is some pretty horrible party leadership

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 10, 2016, 11:36:36 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 10, 2016, 04:20:55 PM

Quote from: thisismyusername on November 10, 2016, 04:17:00 PM

How's that Trump win working for you? Like I told you would happen? :smug

Wow, you sure showed us. Thanks for essentially voting for a VP that endorses conversion therapy. You're a sparkling gem of humanity.

Have fun in the write-in club with JayDubya and AiA. You'll fit right in, you two-faced piece of human garbage.

You need learn and get use to the fact you're going to receive some L's in your life, kiddo. It's just how shit is.

This "I didn't get a medal" rage is getting out of hand.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2016, 11:48:30 PM

Quote from: Sausage on November 10, 2016, 10:39:56 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 10, 2016, 08:53:51 PM

This graph makes a good case that Obama was only good for Obama


(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cw7yXN4XEAAf6eE.jpg)

tbh this is some pretty horrible party leadership

It's all been downhill since they threw Howard Dean into the bushes.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Brehvolution on November 11, 2016, 12:20:03 AM

Trump is the antithesis of conservative economics. He bragged that he made his shit in China because there are no rules against it. Just like paying no income tax. It was allowed. whereas the gop wanting to dismantle the safety net so rich people could funnel their savings into charity to cover it.

Nonsense. He's admitting that rich people won't do it unless they are regulated to do so.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 11, 2016, 12:46:51 AM

Well yes trump and sanders are pretty close from what I understand

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Post by: Syph on November 11, 2016, 01:14:27 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 10, 2016, 04:49:20 PM

18-29 turnout:
2004: 17% (54-45 Kerry)
2008: 18% (66-32 Obama)
2012: 19% (60-37 Obama)
2016: 19% (55-37 Clinton)

:heh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 11, 2016, 01:53:23 AM

Quote from: TheInfelicitousDandy on November 10, 2016, 10:25:40 PM

Been think about the win and I think was really bothers me is that it destroys be belief that America was slowly becoming socially more equitable.  I think I truly believed that Trump wasn't electable because he's Trump and its not 1954 anymore.  This bothers me more than the things he's going to do.

There's an old debate in the Tribe--not old by Tribe standards, mind, but old enough to have largely fallen out of its collective memory here in the U.S. until the recent present (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/10/donald-trump-anti-semitism-young-jews-214314)--where one side says, "A country that tears itself apart to defend the honor of a small Jewish captain is somewhere worth going," and the other side points out that an innocent man had do a nickle in the can and wait over a decade to finally be exonerated while the most vibrant liberal republican society of its era behaved more like a quinquagenarian trying to find his or herself after divorce number two than the most vibrant liberal republican society of its era.

If we accept the notion that this election was, to a meaningful extent (and in spite of the odiousness of the victor, Scout's honor), about white poverty, the following message was still conveyed to far too many people by it: when faced with privation, or even something utterly banal like having to work harder at making an obsolete way of life sustainable in the modern world*, the American body politic will throw you under the bus without reservation or remorse. I understand the need to humanize people who voted this way--many of you count them as friends, neighbors, partners, et cetera (to say nothing of trying to humanize everyone when presented with the opportunity not to do so)--but ball don't lie at the end of the day.

*The obvious example here being the Amish, even down to the wilful education deficit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 11, 2016, 02:35:21 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 10, 2016, 05:30:23 PM

The Obamacare thing is amazing. It's going to be cold shower to some people when they realize that the Republican opposition to it isn't because they think they have a better plan to get affordable healthcare to people, it's purely ideological and they don't care who has healthcare or not, just as long as government isn't involved.

The Republicans best idea was Obamacare.... :heh :picard 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Or I guess ChaffeeCare. (http://khn.org/022310-bill-comparison/)

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They had 6 years to offer more then just 1 or 2 half-cocked alternatives. Still crickets....


Best case scenario they recognize they have no good alternative, and the political shitstorm they would unleash on themselves for just repealing it isnt worth throwing away the rest of their agenda. After a bunch of typical Republican rhetorical gymnastics their base will go along with, they go ahead and address the handful of technical issues they actively prevented from being fixed - some they even created - insert something like an extension of the risk corridors to get insurers back into the marketplaces they fled, slowing cost growth. To which they can claim they "fixed" it. Even though they only fixed what they helped break and keep broken.

....Or they repeal it and the market goes back to pre-ACA fuckery. Then people like Jaydubya can gloat about how awesome it is they kicked those 20 million people who gained health insurance back to the curb and off the government teat...

So they can end up in the ER, unable to pay, and help drive his premiums up further and further.  :paul

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: bluemax on November 11, 2016, 02:51:28 AM

Things I saw on twitter today:

Someone saying not to let the media gaslight us into thinking Trump is okay.

Lots of people re-tweeting letters to the daughters of celebrities.

People saying an article that says we shouldn't try to understand all the people from rural America who feel forgotten by the rest of the country is an important piece of journalism.

It feels like the whole smug liberal thing is being amped to 11 even though they lost.

I guess I expect people to act more rational and less emotional and it is too soon to even begin to hope for that.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 11, 2016, 02:54:32 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 11, 2016, 02:51:28 AM

Things I saw on twitter today:

Someone saying not to let the media gaslight us into thinking Trump is okay.

Lots of people re-tweeting letters to the daughters of celebrities.

People saying an article that says we shouldn't try to understand all the people from rural America who feel forgotten by the rest of the country is an important piece of journalism.

It feels like the whole smug liberal thing is being amped to 11 even though they lost.

I guess I expect people to act more rational and less emotional and it is too soon to even begin to hope for that.

Lots of liberals seem to still be stuck in the denial phase. For most, it'll pass. Maybe  :-\

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: bluemax on November 11, 2016, 03:00:00 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 11, 2016, 02:54:32 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 11, 2016, 02:51:28 AM

Things I saw on twitter today:

Someone saying not to let the media gaslight us into thinking Trump is okay.

Lots of people re-tweeting letters to the daughters of celebrities.

People saying an article that says we shouldn't try to understand all the people from rural America who feel forgotten by the rest of the country is an important piece of journalism.

It feels like the whole smug liberal thing is being amped to 11 even though they lost.

I guess I expect people to act more rational and less emotional and it is too soon to even begin to hope for that.

Lots of liberals seem to still be stuck in the denial phase. For most, it'll pass. Maybe  :-\

Maybe, I guess. I just think people are glossing way too much over the fact that 47% or so of the country didn't vote. But I'm a lot less emotionally involved in this whole thing than the people I know.

Quote from: james on November 10, 2016, 05:26:58 PM

Folks, this candidate would have won the primary and the election:

Quote

Embarked on a grassroots campaign to, in his own words, "take back America from the confederacy of corruption, careerism, and campaign consulting in Washington". In his stump speech, first used while officially announcing his candidacy on the steps of Independence Hall in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, he told listeners that he would only be accepting campaign contributions from individuals and that he would not accept over $100. Continuing with his populist reform theme, he assailed what he dubbed "the bipartisan Incumbent Party in Washington" and called for term limits for members of Congress. Citing various recent scandals on Capitol Hill, particularly the recent House banking scandal and the large congressional pay-raises, he promised to put an end to Congress being a "Stop-and-Shop for the moneyed special interests".

His name?

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Jerry Brown.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Brown#1992_presidential_election

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Hey, his aura smiles and never frowns.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Nola on November 11, 2016, 03:16:44 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 11, 2016, 03:00:00 AM

Quote from: Nola on November 11, 2016, 02:54:32 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 11, 2016, 02:51:28 AM

Things I saw on twitter today:

Someone saying not to let the media gaslight us into thinking Trump is okay.

Lots of people re-tweeting letters to the daughters of celebrities.

People saying an article that says we shouldn't try to understand all the people from rural America who feel forgotten by the rest of the country is an important piece of journalism.

It feels like the whole smug liberal thing is being amped to 11 even though they lost.

I guess I expect people to act more rational and less emotional and it is too soon to even begin to hope for that.

Lots of liberals seem to still be stuck in the denial phase. For most, it'll pass. Maybe  :-\

Maybe, I guess. I just think people are glossing way too much over the fact that 47% or so of the country didn't vote. But I'm a lot less emotionally involved in this whole thing than the people I know.

Oh for sure. Shit like that, that speaks to the turnout, is definitely getting passed over by many. I certainly think there is a lot of liberals that are just refusing to allow themselves to have any introspection or constructive thoughts right now, but there seems to also be another group that seem to be largely over-thinking this as well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 03:19:12 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 09:43:34 PM

I was thinking how a lot of left-leaning/democrat/liberal people who live in red parts of states or red states often get sick of it and move to somewhere more liberal.  Well if this happens regularly, doesn't this just push things more red?  I mean the progressives end up in cities already progressive and the red counties have one family or one person less to go against to stay red?  I wonder how much this grouping of similar politically minded groups keeps the status quo and prevents counties from changing along with demographics.

I think you're making a mistake by thinking this in party terms. Of course, it is very common that the hinterland will be more conservative while the big cities are more cosmopolite and there's of course an amount of loyalty and tradition in how they cast votes. But as you know, party loyalty in the US flipped "instantly" the moment Democrats became the one to pass civil rights. Political platforms are not immuable, election is an always-new competition where most of the vote is up for grabs (deeply militant and ideological voters are not the majority) and last but not least the seemingly tight grip parties have on some regions is also a product of the way the institutions are setup and the district map drawn (gerrymandering).

Ultimately it's the platform you have to tailor for the voters, not the other way around. You're not gonna transmogrify Kentucky farmers into Starbuck-sipping SJWs. If you want to win their vote you must engage them at their level.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 04:20:36 AM

Okay what's the fucking deal with people believing Michelle Obama would make a good national candidate ? She reportedly hates politics too !

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 11, 2016, 04:45:44 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 04:20:36 AM

Okay what's the fucking deal with people believing Michelle Obama would make a good national candidate ? She reportedly hates politics too !

They are the same dems who were on team "YASS QUEEN" and still believe everyone who voted for Trump is a racist biggot. And just because Michelle made some good speeches on the campaign trail that she would be good enough, she campaigned for better education and encouraging healthy living (Especially assisting poor people eating healthy) in the position of FLOTUS and did very well with those that she is somehow qualified to run.

Those people are still in the bubble thinking it was racism and not the fact that Hillary's campaign was fucking terrible on top of the fact people fucking hated Hillary that the dems lost. Michelle doesn't want to run, both Obamas said they are done with politics after they leave in January.

They have to eat that L and pray Biden decides to go in 2020 or Bernie doesn't decide "Fuck this gay earth. Peace, I'm out" and dies in the next few years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 06:38:55 AM

Speaking of fickle loyalty to parties, Dems shouldn't take the minorities for granted in the demographic shift. Doing the right thing today doesn't mean they will owe you tomorrow...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Trent Dole on November 11, 2016, 06:39:37 AM

I toxxed for Hill on SA and am now out :10bux: if I want back in. :^)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 11, 2016, 07:24:58 AM

Quote from: Dufus on November 11, 2016, 06:35:36 AM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 11, 2016, 04:45:44 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 04:20:36 AM

Okay what's the fucking deal with people believing Michelle Obama would make a good national candidate ? She reportedly hates politics too !

They are the same dems who were on team "YASS QUEEN" and still believe everyone who voted for Trump is a racist biggot. And just because Michelle made some good speeches on the campaign trail that she would be good enough, she campaigned for better education and encouraging healthy living (Especially assisting poor people eating healthy) in the position of FLOTUS and did very well with those that she is somehow qualified to run.

Those people are still in the bubble thinking it was racism and not the fact that Hillary's campaign was fucking terrible on top of the fact people fucking hated Hillary that the dems lost. Michelle doesn't want to run, both Obamas said they are done with politics after they leave in January.

They have to eat that L and pray Biden decides to go in 2020 or Bernie doesn't decide "Fuck this gay earth. Peace, I'm out" and dies in the next few years.

It can't be either Biden or Sanders. You need a newcomer, like Obama was.

While a newcomer would help, they don't really have many who could inspire the sort of rallying Bernie and Obama did at the minute. Bernie and Obama were the sort of candidates that wouldn't just get a dem up on their ass to vote, but make sure they brought ten voters along with them. Hilary never had that. Biden I could see, especially in the blue collar Rust Belt regions, getting a lot of support as well because he's confident but easy going. And he'd connect well with the audience. Plus, he would bring along the track record of the Obama administration of showing how they created jobs and got unemployment down to 5%.

Unless there is a newcommer that could really inspire confidence and that buzz Obama had. It would probably be worth putting a known quantity out in 2020 that does have those benefits.

In other news, apparently the Brits are mad as fuck this morning because the first two countries Trump called to discuss policy and trade were Egypt and Ireland. Britain was last in the queue and apparently Trump doesn't give a fuck about a post Brexit trade deal. :neogaf

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 07:58:35 AM

It's all been a bit lost of the no doubt incredible analysis we partake in but I also wanted to say this : Good luck to US Boreans, stay firm and hope you won't get fucked over in the next four years.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2016, 09:41:50 AM

Quote from: TheInfectiousDandy on November 11, 2016, 04:20:36 AM

Been think about the win and I think was really bothers me is that it destroys be belief that America was slowly becoming socially more equitable.  I think I truly believed that Trump wasn't electable because he's Trump and its not 1954 anymore.  This bothers me more than the things he's going to do. 

Progress isn't a steady climb. It can go backwards and forwards at the same time.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 09:46:06 AM

Holy shit. You fucking morons.

Quote

And some began pointing fingers at the young campaign manager, Robby Mook, who spearheaded a strategy supported by the senior campaign team that included only limited outreach to those voters — a theory of the case that Bill Clinton had railed against for months, wondering aloud at meetings why the campaign was not making more of an attempt to even ask that population for its votes. It’s not that there was none: Clinton’s post-convention bus tour took her through Youngstown, Ohio, as well as Pittsburgh and Harrisburg, where she tried to eat into Trump’s margins with his base. In Scranton and Harrisburg, the campaign aired a commercial that featured a David Letterman clip of Trump admitting to outsourcing manufacturing of the products and clothes that bore his logo. And at campaign stops in Ohio, Clinton talked about Trump’s reliance on Chinese steel.

But in general, Bill Clinton’s viewpoint of fighting for the working class white voters was often dismissed with a hand wave by senior members of the team as a personal vendetta to win back the voters who elected him, from a talented but aging politician who simply refused to accept the new Democratic map. At a meeting ahead of the convention at which aides presented to both Clintons the “Stronger Together” framework for the general election, senior strategist Joel Benenson told the former president bluntly that the voters from West Virginia were never coming back to his party.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215

The new Democratic map? Wtf?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2016, 09:51:30 AM

I don't think there was much Hillary could have done in those parts of the country. It's the same places she struggled with when she faced Obama in '08 and Sanders in the Spring.  The 'anyone but Hillary' sentiment is very strong.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 09:57:35 AM

Either way, it doesn't look like Democrats took it quite that seriously to me. They gambled our lives with overconfidence. In hindsight, I feel Pence was a bad VP choice.

Hillary was a flawed a candidate. Accepting it now. I won't say that Bernie would have won, though.

I'm hoping dems learn from this and ostracize Clinton aides because damn. The very definition of liberal smugness.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:06:15 AM

PD you have to tell me what you think about Clinton not polling Michigan pre-election.

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Post by: nachobro on November 11, 2016, 10:09:30 AM

I don't know if Bernie was the right choice but Hillary was definitely the wrong one. How does a campaign ignore advice from Bill fucking Clinton on how to win votes with the rural and working class populace? How goddamn distinguished mentally-challenged do you have to be? :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:11:49 AM

I can't fucking believe this.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 10:15:30 AM

She lost by less than 20k votes here iirc. I've been too busy and disappointed to look at the county numbers of interest but apparently she under performed in Detroit. Ironically the same thing happened during the primaries, where I also felt confident she would win. But doing it again in the general despite having the president and the full weight of national media/attention focused on the election...yikes.

I've always said Michigan will be a red state, all you have to do is look at the district map of the state and take the gentrification of Detroit into account. I didn't expect it to happen this year or in 2020. Are we a red state going forward? TBH I don't think so, I think it'll shift back. But clearly not for a democrat like Hillary. Obama stomped Romney here four years ago...

The thing that boggles me is that these are states she struggled in during the primary, yet little attention was paid to them for the general.

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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:18:05 AM

Quote from: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2016, 09:51:30 AM

I don't think there was much Hillary could have done in those parts of the country. It's the same places she struggled with when she faced Obama in '08 and Sanders in the Spring.  The 'anyone but Hillary' sentiment is very strong.

True enough but they didn't even try. They didn't have any numbers at all. What the fuck!

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 10:26:12 AM

She could have done better but ultimately she probably would still lose based off PA alone.

The funny thing is that the death of manufacturing began in the 80s. NAFTA's impact on it is disputed. But you can't win that argument with rural white people.

I mean bro...Trump got around the same amount of votes that Romney got in Wisconsin, when Obama trounced him there. And Hillary got far less. Jesus...

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 11, 2016, 10:31:00 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 11, 2016, 09:46:06 AM

Holy shit. You fucking morons.

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And some began pointing fingers at the young campaign manager, Robby Mook, who spearheaded a strategy supported by the senior campaign team that included only limited outreach to those voters — a theory of the case that Bill Clinton had railed against for months, wondering aloud at meetings why the campaign was not making more of an attempt to even ask that population for its votes. It’s not that there was none: Clinton’s post-convention bus tour took her through Youngstown, Ohio, as well as Pittsburgh and Harrisburg, where she tried to eat into Trump’s margins with his base. In Scranton and Harrisburg, the campaign aired a commercial that featured a David Letterman clip of Trump admitting to outsourcing manufacturing of the products and clothes that bore his logo. And at campaign stops in Ohio, Clinton talked about Trump’s reliance on Chinese steel.

But in general, Bill Clinton’s viewpoint of fighting for the working class white voters was often dismissed with a hand wave by senior members of the team as a personal vendetta to win back the voters who elected him, from a talented but aging politician who simply refused to accept the new Democratic map. At a meeting ahead of the convention at which aides presented to both Clintons the “Stronger Together” framework for the general election, senior strategist Joel Benenson told the former president bluntly that the voters from West Virginia were never coming back to his party.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-aides-loss-blame-231215

The new Democratic map? Wtf?

Lets ignore the former two term president who pretty much originated the term of triangulation in politics on how to get votes.

holy shit.

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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:32:36 AM

Democratic Party must keep Clinton's that are not Bill away now. Drop them.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 11, 2016, 10:36:25 AM

Howard Dean and Bill Clinton as DNC co-chairs, please.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 10:39:25 AM

Nah throw all the Clintons in the bushes. It doesn't take a genius to know ignoring potentially vulnerable blue states is a bad idea.

And Dean is given too much credit for 2006. That wave was coming regardless due to Bush and Iraq.

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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:40:19 AM

I'm down for Keith Ellison.

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 11, 2016, 10:40:38 AM

http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD (http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD)

 :'(

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Post by: tiesto on November 11, 2016, 10:57:15 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 11, 2016, 10:40:38 AM

http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD (http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD)

 :'(

My ex got me a subscription to Wired last year for Christmas, this issue is co-edited by Obama. Great interview with him discussing AI, space travel, tech. It's really cool to have had a president with futurist and techie leanings, and now he's being followed up with someone whose "10 year old good with computer".

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Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 11:28:27 AM

There's a story making the rounds that 90k Michigan voters filled their ballots... Except for the presidential line.

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Post by: zomgee on November 11, 2016, 11:50:26 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 11:28:27 AM

There's a story making the rounds that 90k Michigan voters filled their ballots... Except for the presidential line.

What like they didn't want to choose, or they missed it?

The reflection on the vote is almost as infuriating as the October lead up to election day.

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Post by: T-Short on November 11, 2016, 11:55:21 AM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 11, 2016, 10:40:38 AM

http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD (http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD)

 :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/rPjhIdb.jpg)

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 12:14:18 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 10, 2016, 05:01:05 PM

I still think it's time for the democrats to try Reagan-type superstar.  Too bad Tom Cruise is crazy scientologist, I'm trying to think of really big name drawn in famous people that would get star support across the map.

I've been seeing this a lot, especially on GAF.

Reagan wasn't any kind of media superstar, he was a B/C-actor. He was basically out of acting and doing speeches for GE when he did the commercial for Goldwater that made him a conservative "superstar" and eventually got him elected Governor of California.

Both of the last two Democratic nominees got "star support across the map": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#Celebrities

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Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 12:23:03 PM

Reagan was head of the actor's guild though, wasn't it ? Some policy experience.

But yeah b-lister at best. Gil Scott Heron even had a song about it.

Quote from: zomgee on November 11, 2016, 11:50:26 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 11:28:27 AM

There's a story making the rounds that 90k Michigan voters filled their ballots... Except for the presidential line.

What like they didn't want to choose, or they missed it?

The reflection on the vote is almost as infuriating as the October lead up to election day.

Abstained.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 12:46:30 PM

Yeah, that was at the start of the 50's except for his interm comeback for a few months later. He was basically out of "real" work.

Reagan was old when he got to the national level of politics. Especially for the time.

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Post by: Freyj on November 11, 2016, 01:20:39 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 11, 2016, 10:40:38 AM

http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD (http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD)

 :'(

God damn that's some feelings

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 11, 2016, 01:28:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 10:26:12 AM

The funny thing is that the death of manufacturing began in the 80s. NAFTA's impact on it is disputed. But you can't win that argument with rural white people.

The difference between the 80's and 90's was that in the 80's the plants just closed. In the 90's, you had healthy (and unhealthy) businesses leveraging their workers to take less or they would move.  Although many times that just meant moving to the Deep South where they were building the new plants for them (through tax abatements).

The one thing that the Rust Belt doesn't acknowledge is the effect automation had on their industries. In many cases, what took 10 workers to make a widget in the 70's could be done with 3-4 workers in the early 90's. That was happening regardless of what was going on in D.C.

 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 01:37:48 PM

Meh. "Those jobs are never coming back", maybe that's true (I think it is), but politics are supposed to think about what's ahead and possible alternatives. They better be finding one soon too, because if those jobs were killed by automation, plenty more industries will follow the same path in a not so far future.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 01:58:32 PM

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Alec Baldwin’s portrayal of Donald Trump on “Saturday Night Live” helped make the “monster” that beat Hillary Clinton in their race to the White House, former R.E.M. frontman Michael Stipe told the actor Tuesday.

The award-winning rock singer was making an Election Day appearance on Mr. Baldwin’s “Here’s the Thing” radio talk show on New York’s WNYC when he accused the actor of contributing to the Republican candidate’s rise by spoofing him frequently on “SNL in the run-up to Tuesday’s vote.

“It is so sad that we have allowed ourselves to sink to this level of really entertainment, that’s what it is,” Mr. Stipe, 56, said in the rare radio interview. “I blame media completely for it, including ‘Saturday Night Live.’”

“What does it feel like from inside? What does it feel like playing that character?” Mr. Stipe asked the actor. “It’s satire, it’s brilliantly done, but it’s still adding to the push of … Warhol said, I think, there’s no such thing as bad publicity. How have we created this monster? How have we put our particular American brand on this thing?”

According to Mr. Baldwin, he initially rejected the idea of portraying the Republican candidate for president upon being asked by “SNL” producer Lorne Michaels.

“When I was approached by Lorne, who is a friend of mine, to do it, my first impulse was ‘no,’” Mr. Baldwin said. “Because in order to do that effectively, you need to have some appreciation of the person … for which Trump I have none.”

“Wow,” replied the singer.

:doge

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Post by: Rufus on November 11, 2016, 02:01:39 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 11, 2016, 01:22:41 PM

Quote from: Steve Contra on November 11, 2016, 10:40:38 AM

http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD (http://imgur.com/a/hAUjD)

 :'(

that's my president :tocry

oh wait

Geert Wilders will be my president :brazilcry

Now you jinxed it. :goty2

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:02:01 PM

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Trump shuffles transition team, elevating Pence and top Jeff Sessions aide, diluting Christie's role

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Post by: Rufus on November 11, 2016, 02:06:08 PM

It's petty, but seeing a sycophant snubbed gives me energy.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:08:47 PM

America's funniest human (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/her-loss):

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Those of us who have been left in the cold by this apparent affirmation of a white supremacist patriarchy (and sorry, white women who voted for Mr. Trump, but your shelter is illusory) are tough.

We have been weathering this hurricane wall of doubt and violence for so long, and now, more crystalline than ever, we have an enemy and a mandate. We have the smirking apotheosis of our oppression sliming, paw-first, toward our genitals. We have the popular vote. We have proof, in exit polls, that white women will pawn their humanity for the safety of white supremacy.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clintons-vaunted-gotv-operation-may-have-turned-out-trump-voters_us_582533b1e4b060adb56ddc27

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“Why aren’t I 50 points ahead?”

That’s the question that Hillary Clinton asked a group of labor organizers in late September when she was up by 7 points in the national polls.

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Clinton volunteers were inadvertently turning out Trump voters. Possibly in significant numbers.

Volunteers for the Clinton campaign in Pennsylvania, Ohio and North Carolina have reported that when reminding people to vote, they encountered a significant number of Trump voters. Anecdotal evidence points to anywhere from five to 25 percent of contacts were inadvertently targeted to Trump supporters.

This is a big deal because when voters are engaged by a volunteer they are significantly more likely to cast a ballot in an election. To make matters worse, because Republicans had a non-existent ground game in many areas this cycle, this powerful reminder from a Clinton volunteer to get out and vote might have been the only personalized GOTV communication these Trump voters received.

The campaign’s text messaging GOTV effort may have been the worst offender. Volunteers reported as many as 30% of the replies they received from voters they were urging to get out were Trump supporters.

whoops

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:11:09 PM

Thomas Frank stealing arguments from The Bore posters? (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals) :doge

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Clinton’s supporters among the media didn’t help much, either. It always struck me as strange that such an unpopular candidate enjoyed such robust and unanimous endorsements from the editorial and opinion pages of the nation’s papers, but it was the quality of the media’s enthusiasm that really harmed her. With the same arguments repeated over and over, two or three times a day, with nuance and contrary views all deleted, the act of opening the newspaper started to feel like tuning in to a Cold War propaganda station. Here’s what it consisted of:

Hillary was virtually without flaws. She was a peerless leader clad in saintly white, a super-lawyer, a caring benefactor of women and children, a warrior for social justice.

Her scandals weren’t real.

The economy was doing well / America was already great.

Working-class people weren’t supporting Trump.
And if they were, it was only because they were botched humans. Racism was the only conceivable reason for lining up with the Republican candidate.

How did the journalists’ crusade fail? The fourth estate came together in an unprecedented professional consensus. They chose insulting the other side over trying to understand what motivated them. They transformed opinion writing into a vehicle for high moral boasting. What could possibly have gone wrong with such an approach?

Put this question in slightly more general terms and you are confronting the single great mystery of 2016. The American white-collar class just spent the year rallying around a super-competent professional (who really wasn’t all that competent) and either insulting or silencing everyone who didn’t accept their assessment. And then they lost. Maybe it’s time to consider whether there’s something about shrill self-righteousness, shouted from a position of high social status, that turns people away.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/11/colin-kaepernick-didn-t-vote-don-t-complain.html

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Stop blaming angry white men. Blame Colin Kaepernick. And if you are black or brown or young and didn’t vote—blame yourself.

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Post by: studyguy on November 11, 2016, 02:12:07 PM

How is Christie even being considered for anything when he's likely due in court for his bridge fuckery isn't he?
Just expecting a pardon in the event something does come down that pipe or what?  ???

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:12:15 PM

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”I am confused, angry, depressed. I feel much like I do when I receive the comments on a rejected paper that the reviewers have torn apart. This morning I realized that I don’t actually know a Trump supporter who I could talk to about the election. How can I reach the public if I’m only speaking to my own circle?”—anthropologist Peter Peregrine, quoted by Nature, Nov. 9

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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 02:15:00 PM

Holy shit, news media is RUTHLESS on Clinton today. They are fucking DESTROYING HER.

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Post by: zomgee on November 11, 2016, 02:16:25 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 01:37:48 PM

Meh. "Those jobs are never coming back", maybe that's true (I think it is), but politics are supposed to think about what's ahead and possible alternatives. They better be finding one soon too, because if those jobs were killed by automation, plenty more industries will follow the same path in a not so far future.

Heeeeeeeere come fracking jobs!

spoiler (click to show/hide)

rumble rumble

[close]

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Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:20:09 PM

Was going to post this elsewhere but guess better to keep in politics thread. Just happened to have long ago scheduled appointments with both my psychologist and psychiatrist the last two days. Both immediately asked about thoughts regarding the election and later expressed surprise at how many people were coming in and scheduling appointments over the election, the latter was completely baffled about it.

Initially I assumed they were asking about the election because of my poli sci and such but now I'm rethinking. (<- most dense person of all confirmed :doge)

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 11, 2016, 02:38:53 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 01:37:48 PM

Meh. "Those jobs are never coming back", maybe that's true (I think it is), but politics are supposed to think about what's ahead and possible alternatives. They better be finding one soon too, because if those jobs were killed by automation, plenty more industries will follow the same path in a not so far future.

The argument isn't an argument. It's a fact. I see it all the time. Hell, I facilitate it. And it's not just manufacturing/low skill jobs. The past few years I've seen tech that will put engineers, HR managers, financial analysts and computer support out of work. And yeah there are some jobs to support that. But not everyone is going to have those skills and you need less of them for example a team at Oracle that used to require 250 coders ten years ago is now supported with less than a hundred for the same product and that's the product that does the automation. Remember in another thread I talked about a friend that got laid off after over a decade with a firm? He's just one of a bunch because software has gotten to a point where you don't need a person with a masters in mathematics to help you figure out the stats of your business. He'll get a job eventually, but it wont pay as much. And he's far from unskilled. I just sold some tech to a company that will turn their 30 person team into an 8 person team within 2 years. Those jobs? They're not coming back. Tech isn't going to get worse. It's only going to get better. There will likely be a time soon where this tide will end and I'll be out of a job myself. Any one who thinks the jobs are coming back are either delusional or missing basic knowledge on how staffing works.

The fact is we're hurtling towards a post scarcity world. And the fact of the matter is captialism has no answer, no tools to deal with that.  :ussrcry

You think middle america is in despair now? Wait until 4 years of trump doesn't bring jobs back.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 02:41:54 PM

How is Trump planning on bringing jobs back anyways short of embracing old energy companies?

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Post by: james on November 11, 2016, 02:46:32 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 11, 2016, 10:31:00 AM

Lets ignore the former two term president who pretty much originated the term of triangulation in politics on how to get votes.

holy shit.

Ah yes, the Al Gore strategy.

Im too young so I dont know how that turned out. Well, I presume.

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Post by: james on November 11, 2016, 02:50:55 PM

Quote from: JayDubya on November 11, 2016, 12:04:30 PM

Sorry Harambe... and people who believe Harambe votes were actually being counted by someone.

Some states count and tally every write in

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:54:43 PM

Why would Hillary want to get votes from fascist misogynist white supremacists???

Better to lose than encourage them.

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Post by: zomgee on November 11, 2016, 03:07:25 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:12:15 PM

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”I am confused, angry, depressed. I feel much like I do when I receive the comments on a PS4 game that the reviewers have torn apart. This morning I realized that I don’t actually know a Trump supporter who I could talk to about the election. How can I reach the public if I’m only speaking to my own circle?”—neogaffer y2Kev, quoted by archive.is, Nov. 9

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 03:29:01 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 03:34:15 PM

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/10/1596184/-Trump-gets-to-work-helping-LGBT-Americans-by-tapping-anti-gay-Ken-Blackwell-to-his-transition-team

i am fucked but at least i have lube to prepare me for it  :-\

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Post by: zomgee on November 11, 2016, 03:35:48 PM

GREAT PLAN, BART.

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 11, 2016, 04:02:20 PM

Quote from: james on November 11, 2016, 02:46:32 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 11, 2016, 10:31:00 AM

Lets ignore the former two term president who pretty much originated the term of triangulation in politics on how to get votes.

holy shit.

Ah yes, the Al Gore strategy.

Im too young so I dont know how that turned out. Well, I presume.

For Al Gore, it was a disaster. Bill knew how to sweet talk the Bubbas and hob nob with the "elites"

Gore even in his home state of Tennessee was looked at as a bit of an asshole.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 04:12:08 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 11, 2016, 03:29:01 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

That's actually the worst thing Clinton did, by far. She basically helped (or wished to, it's not clear how they followed through) arm and enable this monstruosity because she thought it was better to have a strawman instead of a real political contest.

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How is Trump planning on bringing jobs back anyways short of embracing old energy companies?

If he's serious ? Protectionism, tariffs, massive subsidies (oh the irony !) and/or public works with an healthy side serving of fracking all over the place. Probably will lift regulations too to "ease job creators". Even if he goes through with that, it's not clear he can pull it off or that he won't crash the economy in the process : All that cheap stuff manufactured overseas ? Pretty convenient in a lot of areas, especially for people on a budget. Without a change in some higher paradigms, it will be next to impossible to pull such a policy off.

In reality ? Probably subsidies, incentives to bring foreign investments and making a big fuss everytime a few thousand jobs will be created.
Also less visas and more deportations.

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 11, 2016, 04:21:38 PM

What he can do is propose tax breaks/cuts , stimulus zones in the rust belt area. Hype it up and when the companies still refuse, blame them to the people who will focus on them, not him.

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 11, 2016, 04:22:00 PM

Yeah, tarrifs and protectionism? I am baffled that a republican would even discuss that. I have to admit it'll be funny to watch republicans who have been touting "free market" for decades do a complete 180 on this. If he does get that done somehow it will create a collapse as basic goods skyrocket in price. He'll ease regulation on small business. that will do nothing, big business is too powerful.

The one thing he COULD do is end the H1B thing. That could actually help. But there's a LOT of money behind keeping it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 04:30:31 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 04:12:08 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 11, 2016, 03:29:01 PM

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

That's actually the worst thing Clinton did, by far. She basically helped (or wished to, it's not clear how they followed through) arm and enable this monstruosity because she thought it was better to have a strawman instead of a real political contest.

Also

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She was the Democratic candidate because it was her turn and because a Clinton victory would have moved every Democrat in Washington up a notch. Whether or not she would win was always a secondary matter, something that was taken for granted. Had winning been the party’s number one concern, several more suitable candidates were ready to go. There was Joe Biden, with his powerful plainspoken style, and there was Bernie Sanders, an inspiring and largely scandal-free figure. Each of them would probably have beaten Trump, but neither of them would really have served the interests of the party insiders.
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And so Democratic leaders made Hillary their candidate even though they knew about her closeness to the banks, her fondness for war, and her unique vulnerability on the trade issue – each of which Trump exploited to the fullest. They chose Hillary even though they knew about her private email server. They chose her even though some of those who studied the Clinton Foundation suspected it was a sketchy proposition.

To try to put over such a nominee while screaming that the Republican is a rightwing monster is to court disbelief. If Trump is a fascist, as liberals often said, Democrats should have put in their strongest player to stop him, not a party hack they’d chosen because it was her turn. Choosing her indicated either that Democrats didn’t mean what they said about Trump’s riskiness, that their opportunism took precedence over the country’s well-being, or maybe both.

from a guardian article

 :whew

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 11, 2016, 04:32:36 PM

Now everyone who was making jokes about the GOP primary field so crowded now saying it captured the mood of the public by weeding out the ones no one wanted.

DNC had a rigged system and it got them hillary.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 04:35:26 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 11, 2016, 04:32:36 PM

Now everyone who was making jokes about the GOP primary field so crowded now saying it captured the mood of the public by weeding out the ones no one wanted.

DNC had a rigged system and it got them hillary.

This really spoke to me. I voted for Hillary even though I was a Bernie supporter because she was the only real alternative. Democrats need to do better than offer nothing to everyone on the premise that they're not Republicans.

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The even larger problem is that there is a kind of chronic complacency that has been rotting American liberalism for years, a hubris that tells Democrats they need do nothing different, they need deliver nothing really to anyone – except their friends on the Google jet and those nice people at Goldman. The rest of us are treated as though we have nowhere else to go and no role to play except to vote enthusiastically on the grounds that these Democrats are the “last thing standing” between us and the end of the world. It is a liberalism of the rich, it has failed the middle class, and now it has failed on its own terms of electability. Enough with these comfortable Democrats and their cozy Washington system. Enough with Clintonism and its prideful air of professional-class virtue.

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 11, 2016, 04:50:09 PM

All these early articles on the election that completely contradict what the same pundits have been saying are hilarious.

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 11, 2016, 04:54:40 PM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oriNLjwza4mfzItWg/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 11, 2016, 04:59:13 PM

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/797179058131992576

WSJ sources saying Trump is now considering keeping Obamacare instead of repealing it.

Will any of the shit he said during the campaign manifest in his first year? Cause this is hilarious.

If Obama was "Yes, we can". Trump is quickly becoming "No, you can't" 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 05:10:47 PM

From that final Clinton staff letter (http://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000158-5445-dd77-a35b-7e7f5bf00000):

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We disqualified Donald Trump, making him unfit to be president
      Exit polls show that 63% of voters do not believe Trump has the temperament to be president.
      Exit polls also showed that he was the most unpopular nominee on Election Day of any candidate in modern history with a net favorability of -22 (38-60).
We also won the economic debate, addressing the anger and frustration many Americans felt about wages and good-paying jobs.
      According to exit polls, 52% of voters cited the economy as their biggest concern and they supported Sec. Clinton by a 10 point margin (52-42)

good job, good effort

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 05:11:29 PM

On the other hand, it's Trump. The guy who pussied out about his immigration policy when in Mexico only to go in Arizona and brag how about it a few hours later. Wouldn't be surprised he's saying this to appease Obama and smooth the transition over and it's hard to know if it's actually indicative of something.

I expect him to flip flop several times before even entering office.

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good job, good effort

"We won on all counts and in all polls, except the only one that mattered !"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 11, 2016, 05:16:49 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 11, 2016, 04:59:13 PM

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/797179058131992576

WSJ sources saying Trump is now considering keeping Obamacare instead of repealing it.

Will any of the shit he said during the campaign manifest in his first year? Cause this is hilarious.

If Obama was "Yes, we can". Trump is quickly becoming "No, you can't"

I expect with the breitbart guy and kellyanne whatshername there with the poll numbers, they are looking at what to keep that will please this voters and what to throw out.

The keep on the insurance until 26 is popular across the aisle for one.

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Post by: brawndolicious on November 11, 2016, 05:18:54 PM

Quote from: I'm a Puppy! on November 11, 2016, 02:38:53 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 01:37:48 PM

Meh. "Those jobs are never coming back", maybe that's true (I think it is), but politics are supposed to think about what's ahead and possible alternatives. They better be finding one soon too, because if those jobs were killed by automation, plenty more industries will follow the same path in a not so far future.

The argument isn't an argument. It's a fact. I see it all the time. Hell, I facilitate it. And it's not just manufacturing/low skill jobs. The past few years I've seen tech that will put engineers, HR managers, financial analysts and computer support out of work. And yeah there are some jobs to support that. But not everyone is going to have those skills and you need less of them for example a team at Oracle that used to require 250 coders ten years ago is now supported with less than a hundred for the same product and that's the product that does the automation. Remember in another thread I talked about a friend that got laid off after over a decade with a firm? He's just one of a bunch because software has gotten to a point where you don't need a person with a masters in mathematics to help you figure out the stats of your business. He'll get a job eventually, but it wont pay as much. And he's far from unskilled. I just sold some tech to a company that will turn their 30 person team into an 8 person team within 2 years. Those jobs? They're not coming back. Tech isn't going to get worse. It's only going to get better. There will likely be a time soon where this tide will end and I'll be out of a job myself. Any one who thinks the jobs are coming back are either delusional or missing basic knowledge on how staffing works.

The fact is we're hurtling towards a post scarcity world. And the fact of the matter is captialism has no answer, no tools to deal with that.  :ussrcry

You think middle america is in despair now? Wait until 4 years of trump doesn't bring jobs back.

Trump's policies on tariffs and immigration (both legal and illegal) will cause companies to work overtime on finding an automated solution. Jobs will go down and prices will likely go up or at best stay the same.

The only thing I really wish for is a combination of Americans buying a bunch of gas guzzlers when the EPA removes fuel efficiency regulations and oil prices going sky high right after that. Nothing makes people hate a president more than paying too much at the pump.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: archie4208 on November 11, 2016, 05:20:48 PM

Quote from: Take My Breh Away on November 11, 2016, 04:59:13 PM

https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/797179058131992576

WSJ sources saying Trump is now considering keeping Obamacare instead of repealing it.

Will any of the shit he said during the campaign manifest in his first year? Cause this is hilarious.

If Obama was "Yes, we can". Trump is quickly becoming "No, you can't"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJbmB9k2Y88

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 11, 2016, 05:27:38 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 05:11:29 PM

On the other hand, it's Trump. The guy who pussied out about his immigration policy when in Mexico only to go in Arizona and brag how about it a few hours later. Wouldn't be surprised he's saying this to appease Obama and smooth the transition over and it's hard to know if it's actually indicative of something.

I expect him to flip flop several times before even entering office.

The problem for him and the US is that flip floping at this point in the game is going to fuck off the market and the country perception of him. He know this as he decided to be diplomatic at least early, but temperament is going to make stuff more difficult than easier after election.

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I expect with the breitbart guy and kellyanne whatshername there with the poll numbers, they are looking at what to keep that will please this voters and what to throw out.

They barely controlled him before, thought.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2016, 05:31:34 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 02:11:09 PM

Thomas Frank stealing arguments from The Bore posters? (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/09/donald-trump-white-house-hillary-clinton-liberals) :doge

I don't know any Thomas Frank, but I'd be proud to have my arguments stolen by Frank "The Big Hurt" Thomas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 11, 2016, 05:34:31 PM

(http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m37/Hebdomas/thanksobama.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 11, 2016, 06:23:53 PM

Quote from: 213372bu on November 11, 2016, 04:56:18 PM

tfw your #hottakes gain traction across media  :playa


 Don't forget to credit "213372bu" or PM me for my full name fellow CNN/FOX/NYT/BBC/NKNews lurkers

You know they would just say "two one three three seven two boo" tho

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Kara on November 11, 2016, 06:53:51 PM

Already flexing my deep cover muscles. :whew

"[Kara] Are you a Trump supporter? My kid keeps sending me all this bullshit about him and you probably have the responses researched."

*with a big, warm smile that's unsettling as I'm permanently sullen in person* "I voted for someone who didn't win California."

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 07:07:49 PM

Rumor of Chelsea Clinton being groomed for Congress (in NY obviously).  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 11, 2016, 07:24:19 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 11, 2016, 07:07:49 PM

Rumor of Chelsea Clinton being groomed for Congress (in NY obviously).  :doge

Go home Chelsea, you're drunk.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 11, 2016, 07:28:34 PM

Trump is gonna change ObamaCare to TrumpCare and that's it and people will love it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 11, 2016, 07:55:16 PM

Well people, this thread has sort of become my home even more so than the GAF one, because shitting on GAF has lost a lot of its luster for me. I've had a very slow summer with nothing to do, so ive been posting here a whole lot, to the annoyance of many of you I am sure. But now I am getting really busy with my job, so you will be seeing less and less of me in the coming days and weeks. Love you all.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 11, 2016, 07:56:55 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 11, 2016, 07:55:16 PM

Well people, this thread has sort of become my home even more so than the GAF one, becausd shitting on GAF has lost a lot of its luster for me. I've had a very slow summer with nothing to do, so ive been posting here a whole lot, to the annoyance of many of you I am sure. But now I am getting really busy with my job, so you will be seeiny less and less of me in the coming days and weeks. Love you all.

ilu2
this place is great because people can actually have a discussion and hold opposing views and not get banned
shout out to amir0x

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 11, 2016, 07:59:32 PM

Quote from: Gregg Popovich

I’m a rich white guy, and I’m sick to my stomach thinking about it. I can’t imagine being a Muslim right now, or a woman, or an African American, a Hispanic, a handicapped person. How disenfranchised they might feel. And for anyone in those groups that voted for him, it’s just beyond my comprehension how they ignore all of that. My final conclusion is, my big fear is—we are Rome.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Rufus on November 11, 2016, 08:02:04 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 11, 2016, 07:55:16 PM

Well people, this thread has sort of become my home even more so than the GAF one, becausd shitting on GAF has lost a lot of its luster for me. I've had a very slow summer with nothing to do, so ive been posting here a whole lot, to the annoyance of many of you I am sure. But now I am getting really busy with my job, so you will be seeiny less and less of me in the coming days and weeks. Love you all.

Fwiw, you're not as bad as I had initially assumed. :larry

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

I wish we were Rome right before its fall

Caligula :aah

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Post by: jakefromstatefarm on November 11, 2016, 08:25:44 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 11, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

Rome right before its fall

Quote

Caligula

:ufup

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Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2016, 08:27:09 PM

spoiler (click to show/hide)

Lol I know but I figured that I'd score some likes.  8)

[close]

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 08:44:48 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 11, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

I wish we were Rome right before its fall

Caligula :aah

side note but the cumshot scene in the Caligula orgy scene features one of the most impressive dicks I've seen (aesthetically, not sexually of course).

:leon

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2016, 09:02:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 08:44:48 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 11, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

I wish we were Rome right before its fall

Caligula :aah

side note but the cumshot scene in the Caligula orgy scene features one of the most impressive dicks I've seen (aesthetically, not sexually of course).

:leon

I know the one you're talking about and I completely agree.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 09:11:17 PM

https://twitter.com/parishilton/status/796442922224730112

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Paris HiltonVerified account
‏@ParisHilton
🇺🇸👸🏼🇺🇸 #MakeAmericaHotAgain 🔥 #Paris2020 👑

 :rejoice

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 09:24:23 PM

That reminds me, a whole bunch of people in PoliGAF were throwing out Mark Cuban as candidate for Democratic nominee in 2020 until I pointed out he considers Ayn Rand to be his philosophical idol and Atlas Shrugged (or The Fountainhead, I forget) is like his favorite book. :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 09:36:07 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153040338656/while-you-were-looking-in-the-wrong-direction

 :hitler

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: daemon on November 11, 2016, 09:45:08 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 09:36:07 PM

http://blog.dilbert.com/post/153040338656/while-you-were-looking-in-the-wrong-direction

 :hitler

wow, I actually love the way he finished that article.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 09:52:36 PM

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/305501-clinton-aides-blame-fbi-director-media-for-devastating-loss

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Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta, communications director Jennifer Palmieri and other Clinton aides sought to provide explanations during a private conference call Thursday with supporters of the Democratic nominee for a loss that to many came out of nowhere.

They were pressed on the call for answers and insight from supporters stung by the surprise loss.

At one point on the call, Podesta noted that Comey is the guy “who we think may have cost us the election,” according to one Clinton surrogate who relayed details about the call to The Hill.

Another unidentified aide also seemed to blame Comey.

“We saw turnout down and didn't do nearly as well as we thought. Something happened and it happened in a pretty steady way late in the race,” the aide said, according to the surrogate.

The surrogate said the clear message from the call was that Comey had contributed to the declining turnout.

 “That last week, it was just one too many things,” Palmieri added later, referring to the post-Comey final week of the campaign.

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Aides also blamed the media for the loss.

“The media always covered her as the person who would be president and therefore tried to eviscerate her before the election, but covered Trump who was someone who was entertaining and sort of gave him a pass,” Podesta said. “We need to reflect and analyze that and put our voices forward.”

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The campaign chairman blamed the press for “the dominance of the way they covered the email” controversy, saying it overlooked “the conflicts of Trump's businesses, the Russian contacts we are now learning to be true, the failure of the press following the 3-page leak to the New York Times to really dig into the income tax question.”

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“We need to be mindful of the fact that they're going to continue, they won't quit, they're going to continue to throw mud,” he said of the press, adding that Clinton supporters need to “defend her and her legacy and the kind of person she is.”

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 11, 2016, 09:53:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 08:44:48 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 11, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

I wish we were Rome right before its fall

(aesthetically, not sexually of course).

of course

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:36:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 08:44:48 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 11, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

I wish we were Rome right before its fall

Caligula :aah

side note but the cumshot scene in the Caligula orgy scene features one of the most impressive dicks I've seen (aesthetically, not sexually of course).

:leon

Link

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2016, 10:41:39 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 11, 2016, 10:36:18 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 11, 2016, 08:44:48 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 11, 2016, 08:16:20 PM

I wish we were Rome right before its fall

Caligula :aah

side note but the cumshot scene in the Caligula orgy scene features one of the most impressive dicks I've seen (aesthetically, not sexually of course).

:leon

Link

 :nsfw

spoiler (click to show/hide)

http://www.xvideos.com/video4388987/caligula_amazing_orgy_1979

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8:37+ I believe.

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Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:42:23 PM

Cum shots are my fetish.

Will watch after work.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2016, 10:45:12 PM

I think there's at least two, maybe three in that scene but that one sticks out (:teehee) in my mind.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:46:26 PM

Can't wait to see, will rate dick when I have the chance

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Post by: Sausage on November 11, 2016, 10:49:22 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 11, 2016, 10:46:26 PM

Can't wait to see, will rate dick when I have the chance

Give me a 1-10 on Sean Lawless

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:52:55 PM

I don't know the name of a single white porn star. You'll have to post a pic.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 11, 2016, 10:54:26 PM

Really??? Really???

Man the fuck up.

https://i.imgur.com/xTPEEjk.jpg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 11, 2016, 10:56:18 PM

I mean, I definitely cried. But I still had to go to work.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2016, 11:04:24 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 11, 2016, 10:54:26 PM

Really??? Really???

Man the fuck up.

https://i.imgur.com/xTPEEjk.jpg

https://statesmanonline.org/2016/11/10/penn-reacts-to-clinton-loss-with-canceled-classes-and-coloring/

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Many professors canceled classes and examinations scheduled for Wednesday. A Wharton management professor claimed to “have heard from an unusual number of students this morning that they are unwell” and therefore offered a makeup date for the scheduled midterm.  Other professors decided to postpone tests entirely. One Spanish teacher wrote in an email to her class that “the generally unexpected election results are likely to interfere or to have interfered with concentration.”

Other outlets for coping were offered to students as well. Some professors turned Wednesday’s classes into “safe spaces” in which students could freely express their concerns for their futures.

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One of the dorms on campus even set up a “breathing space” the night after election day. Cats, a puppy, coloring pages, and snacks were offered to help students “decompress in a low-key and low-stress environment.”  The event certainly had a timid and fearful undertone, as students were hesitant to discuss what awaits the United States in January.

The administration of the University issued several statements. At Wednesday’s University Council meeting, Penn President Amy Gutmann tearfully spoke on how “bitter, divisive, and hurtful” this election cycle has been for many Americans. The University Chaplain also reached out to those who “are particularly struggling today” to let them know that they “are deeply valued here at Penn.”

Quote from: http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29898/

“There were actual cats and a puppy there,” Penn student Daniel Tancredi told The College Fix via email. “There were sheets of paper available with black and white printed designs on them for students to color in. Essentially they looked like pages from a coloring book that were printed from a computer. They all had positive feel-good messages on them. Students colored them in with colored pencils.”

The space Wednesday did not include TV watching.

“For the most part, students just hung out and ate snacks and made small talk,” Tancredi said. “Of course, that was in addition to coloring and playing with the animals. The election was mentioned a few times, though mostly in very timid and fearful tones. The event as a whole seemed to be an escape from the reality of the election results.”

The “Breathing Space” was billed by the faculty director of Fisher Hassenfeld, who hosted it, as an “open safe space to process recent events.”

“Our aim is just to make a safe and quiet space to relax a bit at a time at which opening a space for quiet and relaxation feels especially important,” an email to students announcing the event stated.

Elsewhere:

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Professors and administrators have cancelled exams and sent messages of support to students feeling traumatized by the election results.

A University of Michigan psychology professor delayed an exam until next week and wished students good fortune during this "tumultuous time." Some Columbia University professors postponed midterms as well. A University of Connecticut professor excused students from attending class. And at Yale University, one professor decided to make an upcoming exam optional.

Administrators were quick to reassure students that universities offer myriad counseling options.

"This election has been unusual in that specific statements were made about various groups of people who often feel marginalized and unsafe," wrote Northwestern University Vice President Patricia Telles-Irvin in a campuswide email. "Partisan, inflammatory statements unfortunately seem to be part of modern campaign rhetoric, but they cause real wounds. As we move beyond a divisive election, we therefore recognize the need for healing of those wounds. With this in mind, we want to extend support to those students who are experiencing difficulty at this time."

Students, predictably, were apoplectic. Cornell University students held a "cry-in." Loyola University and Byrn Mawr College students demanded the cancelling of classes, citing exhaustion, depression, and safety concerns

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The Cornell Daily Sun reports that students hosted a “Cry In” on the quad Wednesday in the wake of the presidential election results.

“I’m quite terrified, honestly,” one student told the campus newspaper as she took part in the event. “It’s saying that people are really given into fear-mongering. They are willing to put people down based on their identity just so that they would feel vindicated that they would be getting rid of ‘Crooked Hillary.'”

Another participant told the Sun many are in “shock” as she sipped on a Starbucks coffee cup, sitting cross-legged in the institution’s Ho Plaza.

“I am concerned how this is validating the behavior of a lot of people,” she said.

As the event took place, students — roughly 20 or so, according to the Sun’s video — wrote their reactions and emotions on poster boards with colored markers, or with chalk on the ground. A chilly day on the Ithaca campus, at one point the demonstrators huddled together as what appeared to be a barista brought them warm drinks.

Several adults, most likely professors, stood around the group. The event appeared to take on the atmosphere of a funeral wake.

“I’d say the results are heartbreaking and such a slap in the face to so many of the populations that make up America,” an older lady who appeared to be a professor told The Sun.

https://www.facebook.com/cornellsun/videos/10154764391131108/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 11, 2016, 11:17:18 PM

Quote

Another participant told the Sun many are in “shock” as she sipped on a Starbucks coffee cup, sitting cross-legged in the institution’s Ho Plaza.

That entire sentence is tremendous in a visual sense.

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Post by: Samson Manhug on November 12, 2016, 12:21:43 AM

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But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch messes of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.

(http://i.imgur.com/b4OUu25.jpg)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Freyj on November 12, 2016, 01:50:03 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

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Mr. Trump, a homebody who often flew several hours late at night during the campaign so he could wake up in his own bed in Trump Tower, is talking with his advisers about how many nights a week he will spend in the White House. He has told them he would like to do what he is used to, which is spending time in New York when he can.

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The questions reflect what Mr. Trump’s advisers described as the president-elect’s coming to grips with the fact that his life is about to change radically. They say that Mr. Trump, who was shocked when he won the election, might spend most of the week in Washington, much like members of Congress, and return to Trump Tower or his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., or his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach on weekends.

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His aides say he has also expressed interest in continuing to hold the large rallies that were a staple of his candidacy. He likes the instant gratification and adulation that the cheering crowds provide, and his aides are discussing how they might accommodate his demand.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 01:56:48 AM

It doesn't seem like that would be hard to do, Obama and Bush always seemed to be off somewhere, giving speeches to rallies and stuff.

Of course, I assume we'll start counting Trump's "vacation" days and golf outings. Since you know, Presidents can't telecommute in this day and age. Instead they should be chained to the desk in the Oval Office. (A desk, we should note, still doesn't have a computer on it.)

The harder thing will be if he can't tweet. Like when they tried to take away Obama's Blackberry.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 12, 2016, 01:58:33 AM

Quote from: Samson Manhug on November 12, 2016, 12:21:43 AM

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But several reliable, well-informed sources confirmed the idea that Hitler’s anti-Semitism was not so genuine or violent as it sounded, and that he was merely using anti-Semitic propaganda as a bait to catch messes of followers and keep them aroused, enthusiastic and in line for the time when his organization is perfected and sufficiently powerful to be employed effectively for political purposes.

Hitler didnt win on the back of anti semitism

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 02:05:46 AM

It's not like it hurt him much.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 12, 2016, 02:16:54 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 01:56:48 AM

Of course, I assume we'll start counting Trump's "vacation" days and golf outings. Since you know, Presidents can't telecommute in this day and age. Instead they should be chained to the desk in the Oval Office. (A desk, we should note, still doesn't have a computer on it.)

I heard you can install mail servers in your house.

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Post by: Let's Cyber on November 12, 2016, 02:18:18 AM

Quote from: Freyj on November 12, 2016, 01:50:03 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

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Mr. Trump, a homebody who often flew several hours late at night during the campaign so he could wake up in his own bed in Trump Tower, is talking with his advisers about how many nights a week he will spend in the White House. He has told them he would like to do what he is used to, which is spending time in New York when he can.

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The questions reflect what Mr. Trump’s advisers described as the president-elect’s coming to grips with the fact that his life is about to change radically. They say that Mr. Trump, who was shocked when he won the election, might spend most of the week in Washington, much like members of Congress, and return to Trump Tower or his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., or his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach on weekends.

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His aides say he has also expressed interest in continuing to hold the large rallies that were a staple of his candidacy. He likes the instant gratification and adulation that the cheering crowds provide, and his aides are discussing how they might accommodate his demand.

I've been thinking more and more that Trump will do this whole president thing for 6 months and just resign.  He's already proven his doubters wrong by winning the election, he isn't in this for the "work" part of the job. 

Make some superficial changes to the ACA,  introduce some half assed plans for more fencing on the border and hang it up by next summer.   Play it off like he did 4 years of work in only a few months and pat himself on the back while he heads out the door.

He looked miserable at that tour of the White House the other day.   :lol 

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Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 02:31:00 AM

Nate does a little subtle bragging:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-fivethirtyeight-gave-trump-a-better-chance-than-almost-anyone-else/

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Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 12, 2016, 03:10:02 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 01:56:48 AM

It doesn't seem like that would be hard to do, Obama and Bush always seemed to be off somewhere, giving speeches to rallies and stuff.

Of course, I assume we'll start counting Trump's "vacation" days and golf outings. Since you know, Presidents can't telecommute in this day and age. Instead they should be chained to the desk in the Oval Office. (A desk, we should note, still doesn't have a computer on it.)

The harder thing will be if he can't tweet. Like when they tried to take away Obama's Blackberry.

or Hillary's  :-X

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Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 04:20:21 AM

To be fair, it's hard to know how much the Comey letters and the years long assassination of Hillary Clinton's character had an effect in the election. Not to absolve her or her campaign for some glaring mistakes, she lost by such small margins where it mattered that they could probably still have snatched it if they didn't bought into their own hype, God knows she had the financial means to try to secure more votes in the "blue firewall" states that failed her. Hindsight is 20/20 but it is interesting how Clinton's campaign was so ambitiously offensive on the electoral map (hoping to win one or several of FL, NC, GA, AZ) while being so defensive in the discussion because Trump sucked all the air in the room and was the main attraction.

Republicans have some responsibility in discrediting politics and laying the ground work for Trump.

Also, I said previously that analysing stuff as slogans in light of the defeat is obviously gonna be colored by confirmation bias, but really "I'm with Her" was awful messaging.

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Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 12, 2016, 06:39:32 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 12, 2016, 02:43:32 AM

Quote from: Let's Cyber on November 12, 2016, 02:18:18 AM

Quote from: Freyj on November 12, 2016, 01:50:03 AM

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/12/us/politics/trump-president.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

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Mr. Trump, a homebody who often flew several hours late at night during the campaign so he could wake up in his own bed in Trump Tower, is talking with his advisers about how many nights a week he will spend in the White House. He has told them he would like to do what he is used to, which is spending time in New York when he can.

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The questions reflect what Mr. Trump’s advisers described as the president-elect’s coming to grips with the fact that his life is about to change radically. They say that Mr. Trump, who was shocked when he won the election, might spend most of the week in Washington, much like members of Congress, and return to Trump Tower or his golf course in Bedminster, N.J., or his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach on weekends.

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His aides say he has also expressed interest in continuing to hold the large rallies that were a staple of his candidacy. He likes the instant gratification and adulation that the cheering crowds provide, and his aides are discussing how they might accommodate his demand.

I've been thinking more and more that Trump will do this whole president thing for 6 months and just resign.  He's already proven his doubters wrong by winning the election, he isn't in this for the "work" part of the job. 

Make some superficial changes to the ACA,  introduce some half assed plans for more fencing on the border and hang it up by next summer.   Play it off like he did 4 years of work in only a few months and pat himself on the back while he heads out the door.

He looked miserable at that tour of the White House the other day.   :lol 

I don't think miserable is the right word. He looked like he was in so far over his head he was starting to malfunction. Like a kid about to give his book report speech who didn't actually read the book. The wide eyes, clenched jaw, pursed lips, hand fidgetting. Dude looked like he was on the verge of an anxiety attack to me, realizing the weight of what being the president actually means.

I imagine his inner monologue the whole time was "...fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck..."

Wouldn't allow a media pool on his journey to meet the current president as well. Obama and Dubya had those pools and they were laughing, smiling and cracking jokes during the entire time. I can't imagine the mood Trump would have been in on the way to Washington. And especially afterwards as he looked like he was chewing on a wasp when meeting Paul Ryan (Obama probably laid some hard truths on him the moment they were away from the cameras)

I forget which article I read it was because god knows how many there has been in the last few days. But they had a fantastic point. Trump has always been a "Boss" all his life telling his subordinates what to do and enjoying the life of being the "boss". The President is not that job and never has been. It's the highest office of public servitude where you aren't making decisions that benefit yourself, but benefit the people. Donald Trump is now a civil servant who has to work for an entire nation. And if you are Donald Trump, who has made his entire life on never having to work for anyone but himself, that's a horrifying prospect. Especially since the non-stop media cycle will be watching you and every decision you make like a hawk. He's going to be one miserable fucker the entire presidency. If he even lasts the full term, that is.     

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Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 07:00:47 AM

We'll see but yeah : as was said before, he loves the title, not the actual work it means.
Some of that stuff can be alleviated by heavy delegating but yes indeed at such a high public office you can't just pass the buck. I don't think he likes that level of accountability, yeah. The idea he is unfit for office didn't originate out of thin air.
But we know he is pathologically unable to back down. He also loves money, and that whole thing will be a lifelong meal ticket for him and his kids if he doesn't fuck it up royally. Ineffectual corrupt assholes coasting by in office isn't exactly unprecedented.

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Wishful thinking

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I think we probably can work on finding the appropriate translation for "bunga bunga" in English though.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2016, 07:03:01 AM

You know what would have prevented it? If Hillary had listened to the president and stopped using personal emails on a private server.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 07:12:20 AM

The "mass rallies" thing is legit worrying though. Trump is good at that, but not that good : the minute the loudest, ugliest part of his base will turn on him, I fear he will say and do anything to get them off his back.

Berlusconi was the proto-Trump, but even before entering office he had his own media and political machine to spin things in a palatable way from the top-down. Trump needs to keep himself in the good graces of the right wing media and their rabid audiences.

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Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2016, 07:17:24 AM

How bad was the 2000 gerrymander compared to the 2010 one?

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Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 07:36:35 AM

(http://i.imgur.com/fkOtLzG.gif)

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Post by: Raist on November 12, 2016, 07:45:59 AM

https://www.facebook.com/JonathanPieReporter/videos/1044777035645189/

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Post by: Boogie on November 12, 2016, 08:27:05 AM

Quote from: zomgee on November 12, 2016, 02:16:54 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 01:56:48 AM

Of course, I assume we'll start counting Trump's "vacation" days and golf outings. Since you know, Presidents can't telecommute in this day and age. Instead they should be chained to the desk in the Oval Office. (A desk, we should note, still doesn't have a computer on it.)

I heard you can install mail servers in your house.

:dead

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Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 09:07:36 AM

Not mentioned but Sarah Palin may be under consideration for the Interior Secretary :dead

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Post by: Mandark on November 12, 2016, 09:11:50 AM

Man, wish I were dumb for having stanned for Nate Silver, rather than dumb for stanning for Hillary.

Also lol I bet against racism I'm a fucking idiot.  :yeshrug


So the Iran deal on the chopping block or what?  IIRC it's fairly easy for the US to unilaterally scuttle it just by declaring Iran in breach.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2016, 09:23:04 AM

Quote from: Mandark on November 12, 2016, 09:11:50 AM

So the Iran deal on the chopping block or what?  IIRC it's fairly easy for the US to unilaterally scuttle it just by declaring Iran in breach.

Considering how hard Trump and the rest of the GOP railed against it, I wouldn't be surprised if they killed it at as soon as possible. So, get ready for another ground war in the Middle East.

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Post by: zepblackstar on November 12, 2016, 10:04:40 AM

Iran Deal Dead

Israel/Palestine is going to be hands off

The support to Rebels in Syria cut off, which I agree with because at this point we are funding al-qaeda types and isis hanger ons

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Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 11:32:27 AM

Quote from: Mandark on November 12, 2016, 09:11:50 AM

Man, wish I were dumb for having stanned for Nate Silver, rather than dumb for stanning for Hillary.

Also lol I bet against racism I'm a fucking idiot.  :yeshrug


So the Iran deal on the chopping block or what?  IIRC it's fairly easy for the US to unilaterally scuttle it just by declaring Iran in breach.

But you're not as dumb as the Trump voters who are going to take Ls repeatedly for the next four years. Ah, who the fuck am I kidding, we're all going to take a giant L for the next four years.

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Post by: Freyj on November 12, 2016, 11:53:51 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 01:56:48 AM

It doesn't seem like that would be hard to do, Obama and Bush always seemed to be off somewhere, giving speeches to rallies and stuff.

Of course, I assume we'll start counting Trump's "vacation" days and golf outings. Since you know, Presidents can't telecommute in this day and age. Instead they should be chained to the desk in the Oval Office. (A desk, we should note, still doesn't have a computer on it.)

The harder thing will be if he can't tweet. Like when they tried to take away Obama's Blackberry.

The rallies thing is the more telling. He doesn't want the journey to be over and the jury's out on his enjoyment of the destination.

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He'd still get big crowds of white folk in the rust belt in 2-3 years after little to no growth because "look at the long lasting damage that other guy did" is the surest bet on the planet.

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Post by: VomKriege on November 12, 2016, 12:01:46 PM

One thing I wonder about, and I guess some analysis will ultimately be made about it, is how many Never-Trumpers there really were in the end. I mean they exist and were spearheaded by the two living conservative Presidents (and the last nominee) and there was clearly a protest vote in Utah (special case I know) shaving over 20 points. I'm curious because Trump did roughly the same vote tally overall than Romney ("So nothing is changed ! Clinton lost by a razor margin !")... which means some people came forward to negate those losses.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 12, 2016, 12:22:47 PM

Quote from: Mandark on November 12, 2016, 09:11:50 AM

Man, wish I were dumb for having stanned for Nate Silver, rather than dumb for stanning for Hillary.

Also lol I bet against racism I'm a fucking idiot.  :yeshrug


So the Iran deal on the chopping block or what?  IIRC it's fairly easy for the US to unilaterally scuttle it just by declaring Iran in breach.

Tell me again how Hillary was a great candidate, Mandark.

TELL ME.

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Obvs I thought she was going to win comfortably as well. But I never LIKED her as a candidate, and she never gave anyone a real legit case for her candidacy other than "I'm the adult in the room," and Americans are stupid and awful.

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 12:32:24 PM

Let's cut mandark some slack. she was our only fucking option. I grit my teeth in the early days but I gladly put down HRC on my ballot. That said, I can now understand why she lost. She never ever got me excited about her actual campaign, just the promise that she wasn't Trump. What an awful candidate. I wrote that she deserved the presidency the day of the election but I was still in shock.

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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 12, 2016, 12:38:37 PM

(https://media.giphy.com/media/BZQziX6q2hmX6/giphy-facebook_s.jpg)

I'm mostly joking.

At the same time, Mandark went out of his way to make a lot of excuses for Hillary.

But, meh. We're all in the same shitstorm now, and we're gonna need all the allies we can get to not have America turn into a Mad Max movie.

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 12:43:39 PM

Being fair, a lot of people made excuses for Hillary.

The main thing we should all agree on is that her campaign sucked and ended up fucking us. This is important as democrats restructure. But you've got people who are going crazy about the electoral college without blaming Hillary for not playing to her strengths and going after key states that grant guaranteed EC votes instead of flipping states. We need to come together and admit that Hillary sucked and that we need restructuring. Pointing fingers and blaming the EC will not win us 2018 or 2020.

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Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 01:10:31 PM

This election is just such a giant :mindblown

Yes, Hillary was a flawed candidate. I said so much myself, as did many others. Nevertheless, that Trump would win was inconceivable. We were living in a massive delusion bubble. I smirked to myself that all Clinton would have to do at the debates is say "I'm not Donald Trump" followed by a mic drop and walking off stage. Clearly I was dead-wrong. Trump resonated with a very large segment of the US population and to simply write it all off due to racism would be dooming yourself to repeat the same loss after loss.

But still. It's just such a giant mindfuck that we ended up being the dummies and Rudy Giuliani, Kellyanne Conway, Sean Hannity, and Bill Mitchell were the smart ones.  :heh :ufup :fbm

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 01:19:07 PM

They weren't the smart ones. Their dart just landed on the target that day.

Michael Moore. I've always liked him and I'm really liking what he's doing now. He has my full support.

My problem are democrats protesting this election result. It's fine to protest Trump himself, but he won fair and square. Asking electors to change to Clinton makes us look like loons. Accept that she fucked us all.

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2016, 01:22:25 PM

First John Edwards, now Hillary. Mandark is now 0-2 on white candidates  :doge

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Post by: daemon on November 12, 2016, 01:23:27 PM

At the end of the day, it can be summed as:

Democrat party voters wanted everything. All the social issues catered, refugees welcome, etc. Anything that was a negative would be met with insults and disdain. They ended up filling the bag so much it gave in. Then there's the whole: is there any need to pretend you care about refugees (and pretend refugees) of war? Because I don't see any protest at every Apple announcement (unless it's the need of an additional device to commute usb ports). Do people care about the FoxConn workers that commit suicide IN the workplace (not anymore, because they put restrictions to avoid them from killing themselves in the shift. They quite probably kill themselves elsewhere), or about every lithium battery that needs cobalt from african kids on improvised mines for 2$ a day worth of work?

Why should people care that much about the refugees and illegal immigrants, when the population isn't responsible for them, unlike the products they directly buy? Don't ask people to endorse every single goodwill gesture you come up with. You can't ask for everything. This election proved that much.

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: daemon on November 12, 2016, 01:23:27 PM

At the end of the day, it can be summed as:

Democrat party voters wanted everything. All the social issues catered, refugees welcome, etc. Anything that was a negative would be met with insults and disdain. They ended up filling the bag so much it gave in. Then there's the whole: is there any need to pretend you care about refugees of war? Because I don't see any protest at every Apple announcement (unless it's the need of an additional device to commute usb ports). Do people care about the FoxConn workers that commit suicide IN the workplace (not anymore, because they put restrictions to avoid them from killing themselves in the shift. They quite probably kill themselves elsewhere), or about every lithium battery that needs cobalt from african kids on improvised mines for 2$ a day worth of work?

Why should people care that much about the refugees and illegal immigrants, when the population isn't responsible for them, unlike the products they directly buy? Don't ask people to endorse every single goodwill gesture you come up with. You can't ask for everything. This election proved that much.

exactly why i haven't bought a new phone in years. still have my 5s.

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Post by: daemon on November 12, 2016, 01:29:05 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 12, 2016, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: daemon on November 12, 2016, 01:23:27 PM

At the end of the day, it can be summed as:

Democrat party voters wanted everything. All the social issues catered, refugees welcome, etc. Anything that was a negative would be met with insults and disdain. They ended up filling the bag so much it gave in. Then there's the whole: is there any need to pretend you care about refugees of war? Because I don't see any protest at every Apple announcement (unless it's the need of an additional device to commute usb ports). Do people care about the FoxConn workers that commit suicide IN the workplace (not anymore, because they put restrictions to avoid them from killing themselves in the shift. They quite probably kill themselves elsewhere), or about every lithium battery that needs cobalt from african kids on improvised mines for 2$ a day worth of work?

Why should people care that much about the refugees and illegal immigrants, when the population isn't responsible for them, unlike the products they directly buy? Don't ask people to endorse every single goodwill gesture you come up with. You can't ask for everything. This election proved that much.

exactly why i haven't bought a new phone in years. still have my trusty 5s.

It sadly still uses cobalt mined by kids on improvised mines below their own houses. That's why I never bring up a moral compass to a conversation, it's too subjective to actually say that one problem is of more importance than the other. Props to you for your decision though. We can all tell that the margins of profit are for the company only. These products could be crafted on places with working rights like the US and make a profit. They just want bigger margins, and no one is stopping them from not doing it.

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Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 12, 2016, 01:19:07 PM

They weren't the smart ones. Their dart just landed on the target that day.

Michael Moore. I've always liked him and I'm really liking what he's doing now. He has my full support.

My problem are democrats protesting this election result. It's fine to protest Trump himself, but he won fair and square. Asking electors to change to Clinton makes us look like loons. Accept that she fucked us all.

I kind of think that Michael Moore is just an opportunist.

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 01:31:11 PM

Quote from: daemon on November 12, 2016, 01:29:05 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 12, 2016, 01:25:54 PM

Quote from: daemon on November 12, 2016, 01:23:27 PM

At the end of the day, it can be summed as:

Democrat party voters wanted everything. All the social issues catered, refugees welcome, etc. Anything that was a negative would be met with insults and disdain. They ended up filling the bag so much it gave in. Then there's the whole: is there any need to pretend you care about refugees of war? Because I don't see any protest at every Apple announcement (unless it's the need of an additional device to commute usb ports). Do people care about the FoxConn workers that commit suicide IN the workplace (not anymore, because they put restrictions to avoid them from killing themselves in the shift. They quite probably kill themselves elsewhere), or about every lithium battery that needs cobalt from african kids on improvised mines for 2$ a day worth of work?

Why should people care that much about the refugees and illegal immigrants, when the population isn't responsible for them, unlike the products they directly buy? Don't ask people to endorse every single goodwill gesture you come up with. You can't ask for everything. This election proved that much.

exactly why i haven't bought a new phone in years. still have my trusty 5s.

It sadly still uses lithium mined by kids on improvised mines below their own houses. That's why I never bring up a moral compass to a conversation, it's too subjective to actually say that one problem is of more importance than the other. Props to you for your decision though. We can all tell that the margins of profit are for the company only. These products could be crafted on places with working rights like the US and make a profit. They just want bigger margins, and no one is stopping them from not doing it.

But you have to understand that people are blind to that kind of capitalism or how they contribute to it. it's the same reason people will worry about global warming and climate change but not give up meat and make fun of vegans/vegetarians. people are blind to what doesn't effect them in a way that is readily visible. they can afford to buy a new iphone every year because they don't see those african kids. same reason we can vote for hillary even though we know she'll enact anti-terrorist initiatives that kill innocent arabs with drone strikes.

it's part of being human. that is the lesson of this election. take it or leave it. we live in a world and universe where all of our actions are all encompassing and affect someone else. karma is real.  :-\

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 01:34:38 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 12, 2016, 01:19:07 PM

They weren't the smart ones. Their dart just landed on the target that day.

Michael Moore. I've always liked him and I'm really liking what he's doing now. He has my full support.

My problem are democrats protesting this election result. It's fine to protest Trump himself, but he won fair and square. Asking electors to change to Clinton makes us look like loons. Accept that she fucked us all.

I kind of think that Michael Moore is just an opportunist.

i'm not sure. he's been consistent over his career and i highly respect his work even if he stretches truths. the fact he's going to start managing anti-trump protests makes me think he's legit. the guy went out of his way to help fund a critic of his healthcare bills. I can't hate him.

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Post by: Steve Contra on November 12, 2016, 01:38:25 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 12, 2016, 01:19:07 PM

They weren't the smart ones. Their dart just landed on the target that day.

Michael Moore. I've always liked him and I'm really liking what he's doing now. He has my full support.

My problem are democrats protesting this election result. It's fine to protest Trump himself, but he won fair and square. Asking electors to change to Clinton makes us look like loons. Accept that she fucked us all.

I kind of think that Michael Moore is just an opportunist.

What?  Are you at all familiar with Michael Moore's history? (I don't mean that as an insult, just a real question lots of people aren't aware of his career pre Bowling for Columbine).  These are the same things he's been saying since before even Roger and Me really put him on the map, and he has all the rust belt bonafides (born in flint to a union family) he needs to be saying what he's saying.

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 01:39:47 PM

we need more michael moore's. dude is a champ.

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Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 01:42:47 PM

Michael Moore's net worth is 50 million.


I'm just asking questions, guys!

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:letsfukk

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Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 01:46:58 PM

Looks like Trump is walking back his promise to annul the Iran nuclear deal now? Is he going to abandon all his campaign promises before even taking office?

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 12, 2016, 02:36:43 PM

Has The Walrus posted in here since Election Day?

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 02:36:44 PM

uhhh do you want 80's/90's anime or just anime with a similar art style?

start with yamato 2199 for a recent one. Lupin III: Fujiko Mine is also a great pick. It looks like a spiritual successor to Cowboy Bebop in terms of aesthetic and direction.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 12, 2016, 02:39:09 PM

Go watch Gandahar

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Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 02:50:18 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 12, 2016, 02:38:38 PM

:doge those both look kinda bad...

I guess I'm looking for an anime made in the 80s and 90s. Probably 90s.

They're both fairly good titles. Yamato 2199 is the best anime of the 10's that I've seen.

I don't know your taste in 90's anime but the style you're looking for can be found in films like Perfect Blue and Memories. For tv, check out Record of the Lodoss War, Crest of the Stars, Master Keaton, Now and Then Here and There, Lain, Irresponsible Captain Tylor. Also anything Patlabor.

If you haven't seen LOGH, add that to the list. It's from the 80's.

Although not from the 80's or 90's, Twelve Kingdoms (Juuni Kooki) and Moribito have the style and content you're looking for as well. Look into Wolf's Rain too.

Bringing up anime in a politics thread is really weird btw.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 02:53:16 PM

Quote from: CatsCatsCats on November 12, 2016, 02:36:43 PM

Has The Walrus posted in here since Election Day?

He skipped out a while ago, he never even saw his forever published fame I uncovered. :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 12, 2016, 02:58:30 PM

Not lying but this video throwing the media's words back at them is hysterical. Time to troll twitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqEddipbpkw

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 03:36:34 PM

Fuck the media. They helped create the orange monster in the first place. Then when they realized that he might actually win, they tried to destroy him. When they decided they dragged him enough they went back to dragging Clinton to make a better horserace narrative. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 12, 2016, 03:38:17 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 03:36:34 PM

Fuck the media. They helped create the orange monster in the first place. Then when they realized that he might actually win, they tried to destroy him. When they decided they dragged him enough they went back to dragging Clinton to make a better horserace narrative. :doge

Problem with trying to destroy him is what he wanted and worked for him in the long run. They went so over the top that everything else seemed like hyperbole after a while.

Hillary had built in distrust for decades now she couldn't overcome and paid for it.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 03:44:24 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 12, 2016, 03:38:17 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 03:36:34 PM

Fuck the media. They helped create the orange monster in the first place. Then when they realized that he might actually win, they tried to destroy him. When they decided they dragged him enough they went back to dragging Clinton to make a better horserace narrative. :doge

Problem with trying to destroy him is what he wanted and worked for him in the long run. They went so over the top that everything else seemed like hyperbole after a while.

Hillary had built in distrust for decades now she couldn't overcome and paid for it.

Exactly, people started tuning out all the dirt on trump as white noise.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Boredfrom on November 12, 2016, 03:55:34 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 03:44:24 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 12, 2016, 03:38:17 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 03:36:34 PM

Fuck the media. They helped create the orange monster in the first place. Then when they realized that he might actually win, they tried to destroy him. When they decided they dragged him enough they went back to dragging Clinton to make a better horserace narrative. :doge

Problem with trying to destroy him is what he wanted and worked for him in the long run. They went so over the top that everything else seemed like hyperbole after a while.

Hillary had built in distrust for decades now she couldn't overcome and paid for it.

Exactly, people started tuning out all the dirt on trump as white noise.

Hillary and associates were pretty okay with Media attacking Trump with hyperbole. Trump has showed this past days  that him attacking the media and saying it was rigged was a long term plan outside Trump TV as it seems to be as clueless as most us. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 03:58:43 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 12, 2016, 03:23:02 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 12, 2016, 02:58:30 PM

throwing the media's words back at them is hysterical

it's not really the media's words tho... :doge

everyone thought wouldn't he get the nomination, or get elected president

all these videos that are omg the media is so dumb... it wasn't just the media so singling them out seems kinda stupid :doge it was pretty much all of us

You'll have to speak for yourself here. But I chalk it up to the fact you're not American.

It was plainly obvious Trump was the front runner before even the first republican debate. People tuned in specifically with the intent to see what Trump was going to do. During the actual debate pretty much everything revolved around Trump. He was treated like a celebrity to the media and not taken seriously despite the fact the very first thing he put forth as a candidate were very serious things like building an wall or making a list of all Muslims. Anyone who was of color took him seriously immediately. During debates other GOP candidates were on the defensive and had to compare their policies to that of Trump. He was obviously the one given the biggest platform and the one who also knew how to take advantage of it. Trump also represented a shift in American politics in that he was not a part of the establishment, along with Sanders, in a time when American people were sick and tired of the status quo.

The rise of Trump can be blamed on the media not taking people of colors worries seriously. The fact that most of the media is white doesn't help matters. I know for a fact that Donald Trump's claims terrified me and other non whites I know from the very beginning. Instead, he was made into a meme by cacs with Make _____ Great Again. Solidying that the concerns of non whites is not represented not counted not taken seriously in the media or by the bulk of the white American electorate. It also represents the media's lack of respect for the opinion of Sanders supporters. We knew he was going to be the candidate because it a was new start in American politics in a time when American's wanted an outsider.

The bubble comes up again and again.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: brawndolicious on November 12, 2016, 04:31:10 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/

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Most were cast in the Clinton-leaning states of California, Washington, and New York—not swing states—so they won’t change the Electoral College. But there’s a sufficient amount to put her within striking distance of Obama’s 2012 turnout, and help put an end to the argument that she simply didn’t work hard enough.

“We probably have about 7 million votes left to count,” said David Wasserman, an editor at Cook Political Report who is tracking turnout. “A majority of them are on the coasts, in New York, California, and Washington. She should be able to win those votes, probably 2-1.” By mid-December, when the Electoral College officially casts its ballots, Wasserman estimates that Clinton could be ahead by 2 percentage points in the popular vote.

crazy

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Trent Dole on November 12, 2016, 04:57:54 PM

Quote from: brawndolicious on November 12, 2016, 04:31:10 PM

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/

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Most were cast in the Clinton-leaning states of California, Washington, and New York—not swing states—so they won’t change the Electoral College. But there’s a sufficient amount to put her within striking distance of Obama’s 2012 turnout, and help put an end to the argument that she simply didn’t work hard enough.

“We probably have about 7 million votes left to count,” said David Wasserman, an editor at Cook Political Report who is tracking turnout. “A majority of them are on the coasts, in New York, California, and Washington. She should be able to win those votes, probably 2-1.” By mid-December, when the Electoral College officially casts its ballots, Wasserman estimates that Clinton could be ahead by 2 percentage points in the popular vote.

crazy

She and her team are such fucking idiots.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 04:59:19 PM

Quote from: Trent Dole on November 12, 2016, 04:57:54 PM

She and her team are such fucking idiots.

WRONG

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help put an end to the argument that she simply didn’t work hard enough.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Take My Breh Away on November 12, 2016, 05:07:04 PM

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/michael-moore-joins-wide-ranging-election-talk-806604867876

Michael Moore breaks down why Clinton lost the Rust Belt on Morning Joe yesterday morning and they let it run for 45 minutes without commercials.

Pro-click as fuck.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 06:59:26 PM

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/democrats-latino-turnout_us_5826579ee4b060adb56e8fbd

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On Sept. 5, 2014, Democratic National Committee leaders received a proposal for a plan to boost the Hispanic voter turnout rate using direct mail, phone calls, radio ads and news media appearances. The plan urged that the party focus on Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Nevada, New Mexico and Texas. The cost: $3 million.

“While a strong Democratic allegiance is good for the Party, less than half of eligible Hispanics cast a ballot in 2012,” the proposal reads. “The challenge is not persuading Latinos to vote for Democrats ― our challenge in 2014 is TURNOUT.” [Emphasis in the original.]

The plan was ultimately nixed.

The author of the proposal, then-DNC Hispanic Engagement Director Albert Morales, stayed at the committee until 2016, trying to cobble together a budget to build a robust Latino engagement effort. While Democrats publicly gloated about the country’s changing demographics, Morales worried his party wouldn’t capitalize on the shift. The Republican National Committee, despite later selecting Donald Trump as its presidential nominee, was devoting significant resources to Hispanic outreach, including permanent Hispanic staff in 10 states.

“I just asked for what I needed,” Morales told HuffPost. “I ended up getting closer to $300,000 and it all went to radio. … It was just pitiful.”

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Both Morales and Pablo Manriquez, who worked for a year and a half as the DNC’s Hispanic media director, described an atmosphere in which their pleas to invest in Latino engagement often were met with disinterest. Manriquez said he at times paid his own bus fare and slept on friends’ sofas to meet with Hispanic television and news executives in New York.

“There was only one other Hispanic in the entire third floor,” Manriquez said of his time at the DNC. “And when I did see one I had to speak to them in Spanish so people wouldn’t try to undercut us from doing our job.”

Both Morales and Manriquez left the DNC during the presidential campaign, leaving the committee for weeks without a Spanish speaker on its media staff.

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With just two months remaining before Election Day, however, Clinton had for the most part neglected Spanish-language television ads in Florida.

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Battleground Texas, the political action committee founded in 2013 with the goal of turning the state purple, pulled in $3.4 million in the 2014 cycle to support Wendy Davis’s unsuccessful gubernatorial candidacy, according to data published by Open Secrets. This year, Battleground Texas raised just $324,000.

I hope these special snowflakes are happy they stabbed Hillary and Obama in the back and ushered in the Fourth Reich just because they didn't get coddled and wrapped in attention. As if that's a legitimate reason not to do your duty for The Party and elect the only person qualified enough to ever deserve the Presidency.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| What a nasty woman!
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:08:44 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:49:11 PM

Wait, no.

Nominate Ted Cruz!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/11oRLY4FRk2s36/giphy.gif)

Quote from: benjipwns on November 06, 2016, 12:53:29 PM

Of course, the downside is when the Senate votes 99-0 just to get Cruz out of it. :doge

what have i done

Quote

On Friday morning, [Lindsey Graham] recommended that President-elect Trump nominate Cruz to the U.S. Supreme Court.

"I would put Ted Cruz on that list. I would suggest that President Trump look within the Senate," Graham said when asked who Trump should nominate for the court's current vacancy. "There is some talent there. There is no stronger constitutional conservative than Ted Cruz."

what have i donnnnneeeee

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:10:25 PM

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South Carolina's senior senator also expressed hope that Trump would increase the size of the military, saying it is "insane" that the U.S. armed forces are at their smallest level since World War II.

"As long as there's one Marine with a rifle, the country will be safe. Looking at our budget, we might be down to one Marine," Graham joked while addressing a crowd of veterans, military families and hospital employees at the event.

and a bunch of PoliGAFers changed their avatar to this guy just because he voted for McMullin ::)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 12, 2016, 07:12:47 PM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:10:25 PM

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South Carolina's senior senator also expressed hope that Trump would increase the size of the military, saying it is "insane" that the U.S. armed forces are at their smallest level since World War II.

"As long as there's one Marine with a rifle, the country will be safe. Looking at our budget, we might be down to one Marine," Graham joked while addressing a crowd of veterans, military families and hospital employees at the event.

and a bunch of PoliGAFers changed their avatar to this guy just because he voted for McMullin ::)

So you didn't want a woman to be president, now you don't want a gay man to be used as an avatar on an internet forum? Gross.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 12, 2016, 07:25:36 PM

sorry but he just gives me the vapors i do declare

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 07:37:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27qaDQ1uG8

Sam Harris thinks she lost because of Muslims

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 12, 2016, 08:12:00 PM

theroot and blackamericaweb like DA FUCK?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-transition-team-begins-minority-outreach-with-a-new-deal-for-black-america/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=31089702

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After months on the campaign trail of Donald Trump’s divisive rhetoric about black communities, the president-elect’s transition team is making its first efforts at minority outreach, pushing a “new deal” for African-Americans with a “plan for urban renewal.”

Surrogates for Trump’s team gave MediaTakeOut.com, which describes itself as “the most visited African American website in the world,” the 10-point plan, an outline of policies Trump first proposed at a North Carolina campaign rally in October.

 :point

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Atramental on November 12, 2016, 08:12:14 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 07:37:56 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f27qaDQ1uG8

Sam Harris thinks she lost because of Muslims

I mean, that is his ax to grind.

And this is coming from someone who generally likes and agrees with him.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2016, 08:19:30 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 12, 2016, 08:12:00 PM

theroot and blackamericaweb like DA FUCK?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-transition-team-begins-minority-outreach-with-a-new-deal-for-black-america/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=31089702

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After months on the campaign trail of Donald Trump’s divisive rhetoric about black communities, the president-elect’s transition team is making its first efforts at minority outreach, pushing a “new deal” for African-Americans with a “plan for urban renewal.”

Surrogates for Trump’s team gave MediaTakeOut.com, which describes itself as “the most visited African American website in the world,” the 10-point plan, an outline of policies Trump first proposed at a North Carolina campaign rally in October.

 :point

TheColi put on blast.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 12, 2016, 08:52:51 PM

HOLY SHIT

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: bluemax on November 12, 2016, 10:51:11 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 12, 2016, 08:19:30 PM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 12, 2016, 08:12:00 PM

theroot and blackamericaweb like DA FUCK?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-transition-team-begins-minority-outreach-with-a-new-deal-for-black-america/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=31089702

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After months on the campaign trail of Donald Trump’s divisive rhetoric about black communities, the president-elect’s transition team is making its first efforts at minority outreach, pushing a “new deal” for African-Americans with a “plan for urban renewal.”

Surrogates for Trump’s team gave MediaTakeOut.com, which describes itself as “the most visited African American website in the world,” the 10-point plan, an outline of policies Trump first proposed at a North Carolina campaign rally in October.

 :point

TheColi put on blast.

I think you mean WorldStarHipHop.

Also:

https://twitter.com/MartinMoberg/status/797501708024868865

what do you guys think of all this talk about "normalizing" Trump?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 12, 2016, 10:58:43 PM

Doesn't matter to Trump or his supporters, he said it. He isn't taking it back or shown any signs of even going with a faux apology. The only ones saying it are the ones who went after him in the first place.

He don't care.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Oblivion on November 12, 2016, 11:23:03 PM

There seems to be two types of Trump voters that I've encountered on my Facebook feed:

- Those that supported Trump because they think he will do what he said he'll do.
- Those that supported Trump because they think he won't do what he said he'll do.

 :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 13, 2016, 03:08:03 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 12, 2016, 01:34:38 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 01:29:36 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 12, 2016, 01:19:07 PM

They weren't the smart ones. Their dart just landed on the target that day.

Michael Moore. I've always liked him and I'm really liking what he's doing now. He has my full support.

My problem are democrats protesting this election result. It's fine to protest Trump himself, but he won fair and square. Asking electors to change to Clinton makes us look like loons. Accept that she fucked us all.

I kind of think that Michael Moore is just an opportunist.

i'm not sure. he's been consistent over his career and i highly respect his work even if he stretches truths. the fact he's going to start managing anti-trump protests makes me think he's legit. the guy went out of his way to help fund a critic of his healthcare bills. I can't hate him.

Homie michael moore is bill maher without an hbo contract, how is this even possible? Remember when you said you were buying azalea banks record during furgeson? don't get swindled again please

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 03:11:56 AM

Is Michael Moore anti-Muslim? Not that I know of. I never did buy that album. I listened to one of her songs and it sucked.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 03:50:21 AM

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what do you guys think of all this talk about "normalizing" Trump?

It's amazing, because living in France, the US is currently remaking everything -with more money (and shallower writing, you dumb Yankees)- we are going through for 15 years, right down to the word for it (Normalization). I think it's less relevant for the USA because how you approach freedom of speech (Europe shunned more heavily what is considered extreme far right speech, arguably didn't work better) and of the strict bipartism setup : "Normalization" in Europe refers to traditional conservatives (or even center left) reaching / pandering to far right voters using dogwhistling or adopting some of the measures and rhetoric (on immigration, relation with Muslim citizens, law and order and economic protectionism). By that measure, it's already too late in the USA because the GOP has already corralled in and been taken over by the evangelists, the Tea Partiers and the White resentment vote. Republicans playing up to the Birther controversy 8 years ago was a clear sign of where things were headed.

In Europe, due to multipartism, the far right is often its own party. If this party is in position to make some good gains in an election, often comes up the question of the "legitimate" right and left wing party making an alliance to keep them out. The problem with this, of course, is that it feeds directly into the far right narrative that those parties are one and the same establishment, that their ideological differences are irrelevant and obsolete. This solution is losing steam at every election cycle because it's really a band aid to a systemic problem and the "legitimate" right wing parties (or to be precise : some of their elected officials) feel they are played for dunces by the left. They'd rather be elected on their platform with the people on their right than to pull out to help elect people from the other side of the aisle.

At last, keep in mind that in Europe far right parties are associated with the very real experience of the fascist and proto fascist regimes that were in power during WW2, and it is a significant stigma for them (that is fading away as the memories of the war are drifting into abstract history).

The two relevant questions for the USA and for the liberals are those :
- Should we even reach out to these voters ?
- Do some of their issues (economic protectionism, immigration policy, populism in general) have merit or are they poisonous by default and not even considered ? Are discussing those letting the far right set up the agenda of public talk ?

Myself, I've never been a fan of the "normalization" theory. You can't just leper 15%-20%-25% of the voters and pretend they are not there. You can't wish away that immigration and border control* is and will be a major debate. You can't just ignore and hope that some of the fears of the citizenry will pass naturally. It also stifles debate by casting suspicions constantly on legitimate political discussions and leaving to the far right the monopoly on some ideas (If you're a center left politician and you adress patriotism or law and order talk a little too enthusiastically, be prepared to defend yourself. Same if you're not on board with the global economy and Europe as it stands.).

But then again I'm not optimistic. Neither strategy seems to work, pandering to the far right is a sure fire way to let the inmates run the asylum. There's only so much cunning political moves you can make around the reality that those opinions are shared by a considerable number of your citizens. I fear people will only be disabused by seeing for themselves how bad those fuckers will be in office, but I'm not eager of that happening either because I'm fairly confident it will mean social violence, violence violence and the economy down the tank.

* Something which the EU itself is doing abundantly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2016, 04:11:08 AM

Quote from: Ripclawe on November 12, 2016, 02:58:30 PM

Not lying but this video throwing the media's words back at them is hysterical. Time to troll twitter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqEddipbpkw

Another one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGomGRZIDIE

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Trent Dole on November 13, 2016, 05:06:57 AM

Yeah yea alt right feggits are fascism with memes, we know.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2016, 05:18:35 AM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 03:50:21 AM

- Do some of their issues (economic protectionism, immigration policy, populism in general) have merit or are they poisonous by default and not even considered ? Are discussing those letting the far right set up the agenda of public talk ?

This is difficult and is arguably why the parties/movements in the West are gaining such power. Just to take the immigration component. And of course, standard Ugly American disclaimer. Also I'm going to be glib and simplistic in describing arguments.

The political elites in almost every country had a near consensus on this at least at the national level, at most slow immigration to high skilled, but overall it's a positive thing. The populations are vastly more hostile to FOREIGN INVADERS. The EU gets a similar sentiment. When you have the longterm major social democrats and conservatives that have been the consensus politics for decades placing themselves far away from the people on an issue or issues it creates that opening in these multi-party systems and it creates an opening for a Trump/Perot (even Bernie to a slightly different extent) candidate. (Speaking of Bernie, you can see the same thing in the gains of the left parties in Spain/Greece because of how their situation is mildly different from Northern Yurop.)

And a lot of these parties in Yurop are not seriously threatening the status quo internally really, to take the infamous Swedish Democrats, they're all in favor of the welfare state, they're to the left of the Social Democrats on expanding it and globalization and related issues. They just don't want the filthy immigrants to get a piece. Especially as they mature as parties and throw out the harsher voices. The Progress Party in Norway was basically under cordon sanitaire for most of its existence until the last decade, much like the Swedish Democrats and Geert Wilders and the Le Pens are still under. But it moderated slightly while also becoming more powerful overall to where they were the only viable center-right coalition partner which did "normalize" the party, but at the same time further moderated it as it now wants to win.

You have similar sentiments in the Trump base, that illegals are coming here to get free everything, schools, health care, Social Security, etc. while not paying any taxes instead paying with their crime and low social values and then Democrats let them vote! A lot of these voters don't agree with Paul Ryan or Rand Paul or whatever on slashing the state. They want Medicare protected, all kinds of new benefits, they just don't want the darkies to get it.

Hillary goes out and says, look at all this stuff I'm going to implement for people who are not you, and even more, I'm going to give it to people you hate as we IMPORT more of them or create more of them with our gay/transgender/austim causing vaccines. Trump says, I'm going to get rid of those you hate which will let us keep those programs, and cut taxes and increase the military! Paul Ryan's budget becomes actually a benefit to this argument because the "Trump" angle gets to say "yeah, he has to propose those cuts because of all these illegals/globalists/Microsoft shills/etc.!"

I'm simplifying obviously but in terms of practical politics, especially in a two party, or major party system, you almost have to take those concerns into account because you can't keep offering an unsatisfactory solution and hoping they'll somehow "get it" finally. That's how the Libertarian Party operates ffs.

One reason the rhetoric gets so extreme is that you say "immigration reform" or "border security" or "self-deportation" nobody believes you. Even the moderate anti-immigration people. Trump says BUILD A WALL, DEPORT EM. Even people who don't want him to go that far at least will trust he'll do something closer to their ideal than the people who already have (from their perspective) lied to them multiple times before.

But I'm off track and should cut it short before Rufus catches me too far out on a limb again. :-*

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 06:40:46 AM

As a disclaimer, above remarks are mostly true for western Europe. The dynamics, I understand, are slighty different in central Europe for obvious reasons.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 13, 2016, 11:24:35 AM

If you dig down to the roots of right-wing philosophy it's just tribalism. Protecting what was, because you have good feelings of that time for 'your people'. It's one reason why it's an evergreen philosophy that won't 'age out' like some people hope. It's in all of us whether you are 68 or 28. It just depends on the person if they give in to those base instincts.

You look at any push back on immigration, socialism, welfare, etc in any country it's because the people that are benefitting do not look like the people who were benefitting in the past. At least in America that holds true.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 01:10:40 PM

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/11/10/national/japanese-americans-japanese-u-s-concerned-trumps-election/#.WCiqdPkrKUl

Interesting to see Japanese-American's living in America's thoughts.  The tldr is besides the usual reasons for anti-trump, Japanese-Americans feel very strongly as they can relate with the Muslim community because of the anti-Japanese sentiment & internment in WWII.  Only one Japanese-American interviewed voted for Trump because they wanted to "feel proud of their government again", they were also over 50 and in Tennessee.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 13, 2016, 02:37:27 PM

Hearing from a lot of my fellow colleagues in other firms that next week many of them are meeting to try to determine their exposure with Trump's election and their H1B strategies. Loads of companies use H1Bs as a way to deflate wage costs. Some firms are going from all out panic to others are smug and reassured they'll be OK because there's too much money being made off H1Bs to stop it. From what I'm hearing sections of tech sector are freaking out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 13, 2016, 02:55:30 PM

Peter Thiel is on his transition team, so tech issues will be dealt with on his ideas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Dennis on November 13, 2016, 03:02:31 PM

I work on a H1B visa but that is at a university doing research so I don't know what that will mean for me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zepblackstar on November 13, 2016, 03:07:46 PM

If you want to have a fight over the criminal element of deporting illegals. Good luck on the optics of that. Whoever is advising him realizes this is not the hill to die on against deportation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/13/donald-trump-plans-to-immediately-deport-2-to-3-million-undocumented-immigrants/

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In a "60 Minutes" interview scheduled to air Sunday, President-elect Donald Trump said he planned to immediately deport two to three million undocumented immigrants after his inauguration next January.

"What we are going to do is get the people that are criminal and have criminal records, gang members, drug dealers, where a lot of these people, probably 2 million, it could be even 3 million, we are getting them out of our country or we are going to incarcerate," Trump told 60 Minutes correspondent Lesley Stahl, according to a preview of the interview released by CBS. "But we’re getting them out of our country. They’re here illegally."

Stahl had pressed Trump about his campaign pledge to deport "millions and millions of undocumented immigrants." Trump told her that after securing the border, his administration would make a "determination" on the remaining undocumented immigrants in the country.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2016, 03:20:00 PM

Isn't that pretty much what the Obama administration has been doing the past 8 years? Though, I suppose, Trump wants to do it more bigly.

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Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 13, 2016, 03:24:23 PM

Nothing wrong with deporting illegal immigrants

hope he can start with his wife that broke the terms
of her visa and thus should hve never gotten citizenship

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Post by: james on November 13, 2016, 07:36:16 PM

Quote from: agrajag on November 12, 2016, 03:36:34 PM

Fuck the media. They helped create the orange monster in the first place. Then when they realized that he might actually win, they tried to destroy him. When they decided they dragged him enough they went back to dragging Clinton to make a better horserace narrative. :doge

I never understood this.

The media is run by 5 rich white dudes.

Which party better represents their interests?



Also, I am sure many of you have had their facebook news feed filled with the same thing

Post after post of people starting with the word "heart broken" and following up with 7 paragraphs.

I thought this post, by a brown friend, was an accurate response to them

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I am scratching my head at all these folks posting on facebook that they "stand in solidarity with their black, brown, and Muslim friends."

...

 And now y'all are going to fly in on a mythical, shimmering cloud of white knight syndrome and "protect me" from the big bad racists? Get outta here! I'll believe it when I hear it, see it, and experience it.

...

And if any of these racists come up and try to physically harm me as the news has been reporting, I will defend myself as much as I can and tie them up in so much litigation that their grandkids will be paying their legal bills.

...

 So please, save me the white knighting, save me from your condescending savior complex. I, and probably many other people, have been protecting myself for years. Act on your words, or don't speak them at all.

Of course she misses the part where a Trump federal court system would throw out her claim.

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Both Morales and Manriquez left the DNC during the presidential campaign, leaving the committee for weeks without a Spanish speaker on its media staff.

FUCK YOU HILLARY CLINTON

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Post by: bluemax on November 13, 2016, 08:17:14 PM

Quote from: VomKriege on November 13, 2016, 03:50:21 AM

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what do you guys think of all this talk about "normalizing" Trump?

It's amazing, because living in France, the US is currently remaking everything -with more money (and shallower writing, you dumb Yankees)- we are going through for 15 years, right down to the word for it (Normalization). I think it's less relevant for the USA because how you approach freedom of speech (Europe shunned more heavily what is considered extreme far right speech, arguably didn't work better) and of the strict bipartism setup : "Normalization" in Europe refers to traditional conservatives (or even center left) reaching / pandering to far right voters using dogwhistling or adopting some of the measures and rhetoric (on immigration, relation with Muslim citizens, law and order and economic protectionism). By that measure, it's already too late in the USA because the GOP has already corralled in and been taken over by the evangelists, the Tea Partiers and the White resentment vote. Republicans playing up to the Birther controversy 8 years ago was a clear sign of where things were headed.

In Europe, due to multipartism, the far right is often its own party. If this party is in position to make some good gains in an election, often comes up the question of the "legitimate" right and left wing party making an alliance to keep them out. The problem with this, of course, is that it feeds directly into the far right narrative that those parties are one and the same establishment, that their ideological differences are irrelevant and obsolete. This solution is losing steam at every election cycle because it's really a band aid to a systemic problem and the "legitimate" right wing parties (or to be precise : some of their elected officials) feel they are played for dunces by the left. They'd rather be elected on their platform with the people on their right than to pull out to help elect people from the other side of the aisle.

At last, keep in mind that in Europe far right parties are associated with the very real experience of the fascist and proto fascist regimes that were in power during WW2, and it is a significant stigma for them (that is fading away as the memories of the war are drifting into abstract history).

The two relevant questions for the USA and for the liberals are those :
- Should we even reach out to these voters ?
- Do some of their issues (economic protectionism, immigration policy, populism in general) have merit or are they poisonous by default and not even considered ? Are discussing those letting the far right set up the agenda of public talk ?

Myself, I've never been a fan of the "normalization" theory. You can't just leper 15%-20%-25% of the voters and pretend they are not there. You can't wish away that immigration and border control* is and will be a major debate. You can't just ignore and hope that some of the fears of the citizenry will pass naturally. It also stifles debate by casting suspicions constantly on legitimate political discussions and leaving to the far right the monopoly on some ideas (If you're a center left politician and you adress patriotism or law and order talk a little too enthusiastically, be prepared to defend yourself. Same if you're not on board with the global economy and Europe as it stands.).

But then again I'm not optimistic. Neither strategy seems to work, pandering to the far right is a sure fire way to let the inmates run the asylum. There's only so much cunning political moves you can make around the reality that those opinions are shared by a considerable number of your citizens. I fear people will only be disabused by seeing for themselves how bad those fuckers will be in office, but I'm not eager of that happening either because I'm fairly confident it will mean social violence, violence violence and the economy down the tank.

* Something which the EU itself is doing abundantly.

I admit I'm not super up on what's gone on in France the past 15 years, but it is very interesting to me that you say we are just repeating it, are there any good resources I can read to get an understanding of this?

Also, I feel like the bolded and the points you made around it are exactly what helped Trump rise and it is an important set of questions that need to be addressed going forward. We can't keep pretending the rural south and the rust belt don't exist.

Quote from: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 01:10:40 PM

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2016/11/10/national/japanese-americans-japanese-u-s-concerned-trumps-election/#.WCiqdPkrKUl

Interesting to see Japanese-American's living in America's thoughts.  The tldr is besides the usual reasons for anti-trump, Japanese-Americans feel very strongly as they can relate with the Muslim community because of the anti-Japanese sentiment & internment in WWII.  Only one Japanese-American interviewed voted for Trump because they wanted to "feel proud of their government again", they were also over 50 and in Tennessee.

Sounds like my EE professor, professor Ung. He was ex-military from Kansas and I can totally imagine him being pro-Trump despite being a minority.

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Post by: OnlyRegret on November 13, 2016, 09:27:08 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 13, 2016, 09:15:15 PM

LOL at Trump on 60 Minutes basically saying he wasn't going to do anything he promised during the campaign. The wall? He's okay with some fences. Getting rid of ObamaCare? Well, he'll keep the good parts like pre-existing conditions and kids staying on until 26. Locking up Hillary? Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on her, she's done a lot of good for the country. Getting rid of LGBTQ marriage rights? No way, it's already been decided by the courts, total non-issue, won't even consider revisiting it.

Yeah, saw that.
Won't complain a lick about that. Just hope he maintains that stance and conversion therapy boy doesn't mess it up

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 09:34:09 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 13, 2016, 09:15:15 PM

LOL at Trump on 60 Minutes basically saying he wasn't going to do anything he promised during the campaign. The wall? He's okay with some fences. Getting rid of ObamaCare? Well, he'll keep the good parts like pre-existing conditions and kids staying on until 26. Locking up Hillary? Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on her, she's done a lot of good for the country. Getting rid of LGBTQ marriage rights? No way, it's already been decided by the courts, total non-issue, won't even consider revisiting it.

I wouldn't be so worried now if not for his cabinet and those he's surrounded with and emboldening awful people

If he had a vp pick I could support I wouldn't be still be losing my shit

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Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2016, 09:34:38 PM

That's a big problem with American politics. You have to say the most extreme things of any candidate to get elected, regardless of if you intend to do them.

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 09:35:19 PM

But trump said more than extreme things

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Post by: I'm a Puppy! on November 13, 2016, 09:37:09 PM

He's trying to calm everyone down. But when he finds out he can't control his followers...

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 09:40:08 PM

He picked Priebus as chief of staff and fucking Bannon as chief strategist.

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 09:46:55 PM

Hopefully I'm not MURDERED before then!

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Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2016, 10:00:18 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 13, 2016, 09:46:13 PM

It's going to be pretty sweet when the people who voted for him for deplorable reasons get mad that he doesn't do them.

Eh, they've already gotten a symbolic victory, which is almost as bad.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2016, 10:11:25 PM

 :drudge

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Report says president-elect was born as Dawood Ibrahim Khan in Waziristan before being adopted by American family

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According to Neo News, Trump was born as Dawood Ibrahim Khan in the now-Taliban-controlled Waziristan region of the country in 1954. After his parents were killed in a car accident, a British Indian Army captain took little Dawood to London, where the Trump family later adopted him and brought him to America, the report claimed.

Citing numerous tweets to back up the story, Neo News even provided a photo of the alleged young Trump, wearing what appears to be traditional Pakistani boys’ garb.

(http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2016/11/pakistan-channel-donald-trump.jpg)

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Post by: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 10:18:32 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 13, 2016, 09:34:09 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 13, 2016, 09:15:15 PM

LOL at Trump on 60 Minutes basically saying he wasn't going to do anything he promised during the campaign. The wall? He's okay with some fences. Getting rid of ObamaCare? Well, he'll keep the good parts like pre-existing conditions and kids staying on until 26. Locking up Hillary? Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on her, she's done a lot of good for the country. Getting rid of LGBTQ marriage rights? No way, it's already been decided by the courts, total non-issue, won't even consider revisiting it.

I wouldn't be so worried now if not for his cabinet and those he's surrounded with and emboldening awful people

If he had a vp pick I could support I wouldn't be still be losing my shit

Exactly.  Trump comes across as an idiot and liar, but he's so unknowledgeable about everything his views always seem like shooting from the hip in a GWB but way worse way.  Could live with that for 4 years.  He also seems scared of people not liking him and being against him because he's got thin skin which would theoretically make him not do anything too crazy like how he's already backtracking in interviews.

The problem is that he's appointing everyone he knows and everyone he knows are terrible people because everyone else called him on his shit and bailed.  His cabinet is insanely horrible people who unlike Trump aren't just kinda dumb & uninformed, they know what they're doing and they're insidious and filled with hate and will be pushing their agendas.  This is what makes the next 4 years so incredibly frightening.  If Trump had like backed off his loyalists and picked top smart people in various industry, maybe more centralist people, it would be night & day.

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 10:20:17 PM

I am absolutely terrified.

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Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2016, 10:30:50 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 13, 2016, 10:03:04 PM

Those people are idiotic enough to believe a lot of dumb things Trump spewed and couldn't trust Hillary because of her "lies". Do you really think they won't turn on Trump quick?

Yes. These people are idiots. They voted in a known con man.

Worse than that, they're partisan as hell and will never admit the GOP will ever do anything wrong.

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 10:32:45 PM

(http://i.imgur.com/zE62xmS.jpg)

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 10:34:55 PM

Fuck Hillary Clinton and the DNC. I am NOT taking this well.

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Post by: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 10:50:48 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 13, 2016, 10:30:50 PM

Quote from: Kaffir The Reaper on November 13, 2016, 10:03:04 PM

Those people are idiotic enough to believe a lot of dumb things Trump spewed and couldn't trust Hillary because of her "lies". Do you really think they won't turn on Trump quick?

Yes. These people are idiots. They voted in a known con man.

Worse than that, they're partisan as hell and will never admit the GOP will ever do anything wrong.

Yup, the partisan part is pretty scary.  At the end of the day imo a good chunk of democrats and a large majority of republicans will always fall in line and vote for their nominee and defend them no matter what.  These people aren't changing sides in any upcoming election.  At most some might not go out to the polls and vote.

This is why for democrats to win they pretty much have to get their base + independents, because they will never convince the majority of republicans to vote for their candidate.  It's just too partisan. 

I have no idea how this is all going to end with a country so incredibly divided and it gets worse every day.  Because of the military there's not going to be a civil war type event, but how the two sides will ever mend?  More realistically if one side gets so big they win everytime in every position of the government and just drown the other side out as a powerless minority group.  Demographics showed that Democrats were supposed to be that group and would eventually splinter into a left liberal and central fiscally democrat group that would fight for government control.  But that's pie in the sky stuff as we all see.  With reality, who knows.  If the DNC fractures any further and democrats fight among themselves any more, we could see the republicans continue to dominate the entire government pushing out the entire democratic group.  It already started years ago during Obama's term, most people just didn't notice it because Obama held the republicans back as much as he could.

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 10:53:38 PM

The silver lining is that half the country didn't and most of dems base didn't even show up. They ran a shit campaign and it's no wonder they lost but plenty of new and old blood to mine.

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Post by: chronovore on November 13, 2016, 11:19:40 PM

I feel bad about this, but: I seriously don't want to hear a peep from anyone who didn't get out and vote.

Not. A. Motherfucking. Peep.

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Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2016, 11:21:56 PM

peep

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Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2016, 11:24:55 PM

Quote from: chronovore on November 13, 2016, 11:19:40 PM

I feel bad about this, but: I seriously don't want to hear a peep from anyone who didn't get out and vote.

Not. A. Motherfucking. Peep.

Also those that voted write-in or third-party.

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 11:27:05 PM

Also anyone tied to the HRC campaign. Get out of politics for good.

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 11:31:45 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 10:18:32 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 13, 2016, 09:34:09 PM

Quote from: Stro on November 13, 2016, 09:15:15 PM

LOL at Trump on 60 Minutes basically saying he wasn't going to do anything he promised during the campaign. The wall? He's okay with some fences. Getting rid of ObamaCare? Well, he'll keep the good parts like pre-existing conditions and kids staying on until 26. Locking up Hillary? Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on her, she's done a lot of good for the country. Getting rid of LGBTQ marriage rights? No way, it's already been decided by the courts, total non-issue, won't even consider revisiting it.

I wouldn't be so worried now if not for his cabinet and those he's surrounded with and emboldening awful people

If he had a vp pick I could support I wouldn't be still be losing my shit

Exactly.  Trump comes across as an idiot and liar, but he's so unknowledgeable about everything his views always seem like shooting from the hip in a GWB but way worse way.  Could live with that for 4 years.  He also seems scared of people not liking him and being against him because he's got thin skin which would theoretically make him not do anything too crazy like how he's already backtracking in interviews.

The problem is that he's appointing everyone he knows and everyone he knows are terrible people because everyone else called him on his shit and bailed.  His cabinet is insanely horrible people who unlike Trump aren't just kinda dumb & uninformed, they know what they're doing and they're insidious and filled with hate and will be pushing their agendas.  This is what makes the next 4 years so incredibly frightening.  If Trump had like backed off his loyalists and picked top smart people in various industry, maybe more centralist people, it would be night & day.

There's also the fact that he has lied so much WE HAVE NO REASON TO BELIEVE A THING HE SAID ON THE 60 MINUTES INTERVIEW.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/the-american-media-is-completely-unprepared-to-cover-a-trump-presidency/507476/

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Post by: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 11:38:34 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 13, 2016, 10:53:38 PM

The silver lining is that half the country didn't and most of dems base didn't even show up. They ran a shit campaign and it's no wonder they lost but plenty of new and old blood to mine.

They ran a shit campaign and still count the 2nd most votes for any president ever (after Obama)?  I agree with you on the badly ran campaign and all the issues, but the whole comforting ourselves that people didn't show up to vote and once they do everything will be ok is kind of off since votes were only down compared to Obama (who was an exception).  Part of the problem was on election night and the day after when we were getting the early data on voter count it was missing 4 million+ uncounted votes.

Basically, don't jinx it.  Dems need to do everything they can to be united and get independents on their side next election.  Cannot get complacent for a second. 

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Post by: agrajag on November 13, 2016, 11:42:50 PM

The only answer is for minorities to procreate at a much faster rate than white people  :doge

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Post by: benjipwns on November 13, 2016, 11:47:02 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 11:38:34 PM

They ran a shit campaign and still count the 2nd most votes for any president ever (after Obama)?

1. Obama (2008) - 69.5 million
2. Obama (2012) - 65.9 million
3. W. Bush (2004) - 62.0 million
4. Clinton (2016) - 61.0 million
5. Romney (2012) - 60.9 million
6. Trump (2016) - 60.4 million
7. McCain (2008) - 59.9 million
8. Kerry (2004) - 59.0 million
9. Reagan (1984) - 54.5 million
10. Gore (2000) - 51.0 million

You'll notice the top eight popular vote totals are all this century...

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Post by: agrajag on November 13, 2016, 11:47:50 PM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/leading-contender-for-donald-trump-s-chief-of-staff-is-rnc-chairman-reince-priebus-1479069597

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After meeting with Mr. Trump, the only person to be elected president without having held a government or military position, Mr. Obama realized the Republican needs more guidance. He plans to spend more time with his successor than presidents typically do, people familiar with the matter said.

If that's not the script of an Adam Sandler comedy..

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Post by: Himu on November 13, 2016, 11:55:30 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 11:38:34 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 13, 2016, 10:53:38 PM

The silver lining is that half the country didn't and most of dems base didn't even show up. They ran a shit campaign and it's no wonder they lost but plenty of new and old blood to mine.

They ran a shit campaign and still count the 2nd most votes for any president ever (after Obama)?  I agree with you on the badly ran campaign and all the issues, but the whole comforting ourselves that people didn't show up to vote and once they do everything will be ok is kind of off since votes were only down compared to Obama (who was an exception).  Part of the problem was on election night and the day after when we were getting the early data on voter count it was missing 4 million+ uncounted votes.

Basically, don't jinx it.  Dems need to do everything they can to be united and get independents on their side next election.  Cannot get complacent for a second.

Didn't say they should get complacent just that there's for expansion

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Post by: chronovore on November 14, 2016, 12:42:00 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6kS3y407Ho

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Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 01:35:24 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 13, 2016, 11:47:02 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 11:38:34 PM

They ran a shit campaign and still count the 2nd most votes for any president ever (after Obama)?

1. Obama (2008) - 69.5 million
2. Obama (2012) - 65.9 million
3. W. Bush (2004) - 62.0 million
4. Clinton (2016) - 61.0 million
5. Romney (2012) - 60.9 million
6. Trump (2016) - 60.4 million
7. McCain (2008) - 59.9 million
8. Kerry (2004) - 59.0 million
9. Reagan (1984) - 54.5 million
10. Gore (2000) - 51.0 million

You'll notice the top eight popular vote totals are all this century...

Clinton will be ahead of W by the end of the month.

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Post by: CatsCatsCats on November 14, 2016, 01:50:27 AM

Let the fleecing begin

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Post by: Syph on November 14, 2016, 01:53:36 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 13, 2016, 09:15:15 PM

LOL at Trump on 60 Minutes basically saying he wasn't going to do anything he promised during the campaign. The wall? He's okay with some fences. Getting rid of ObamaCare? Well, he'll keep the good parts like pre-existing conditions and kids staying on until 26. Locking up Hillary? Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on her, she's done a lot of good for the country. Getting rid of LGBTQ marriage rights? No way, it's already been decided by the courts, total non-issue, won't even consider revisiting it.

Trump being anti-gay is a garbage left-wing talking point
Pence I won't defend but saying Trump hates gays (not that you said that, I mean people in the media) is wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WMnoa8dLw8

Quote from: Stro on November 14, 2016, 01:47:12 AM

Oh wow, I had missed the part at the start of the interview when he was asked if he'd tone down his rhetoric now that he's president, and he straight up said sometimes you need that kind of crazy rhetoric to get people motivated in the first place. He might as well have winked to the camera while saying it.

I also don't get how people are mad at this. Isn't this what everyone on the left secretly hoped for in the case that he won? That it was all a game and he's not actually as extreme as he was on the campaign trail?

Quote from: benjipwns on November 13, 2016, 11:47:02 PM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 13, 2016, 11:38:34 PM

They ran a shit campaign and still count the 2nd most votes for any president ever (after Obama)?

1. Obama (2008) - 69.5 million
2. Obama (2012) - 65.9 million
3. W. Bush (2004) - 62.0 million
4. Clinton (2016) - 61.0 million
5. Romney (2012) - 60.9 million
6. Trump (2016) - 60.4 million
7. McCain (2008) - 59.9 million
8. Kerry (2004) - 59.0 million
9. Reagan (1984) - 54.5 million
10. Gore (2000) - 51.0 million

You'll notice the top eight popular vote totals are all this century...

this continues to be one of the dumbest media grasping at straws talking points
talk about fucking percentages
what, you're telling me the population increased and more people voted? wow!
this just in, clinton got more votes than reagan or even lincoln! and she still lost! election rigged!!!!

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Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 02:02:38 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 14, 2016, 01:53:36 AM

this continues to be one of the dumbest media grasping at straws talking points
talk about fucking percentages
what, you're telling me the population increased and more people voted? wow!
this just in, clinton got more votes than reagan or even lincoln! and she still lost! election rigged!!!!

Trump and others were promoting the same thing regarding his primary vote total, even though he had the lowest % of any nominee in the post-McGovern Reform era. Reagan got a higher share when he lost to Ford in 1976.

Rush Limbaugh had a segment where he couldn't seem to understand that 13 million people is only like 10% of the general election electorate and was trying to use this to debunk the polls. :lol

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Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 02:13:13 AM

Quote from: Syph on November 14, 2016, 01:53:36 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 13, 2016, 09:15:15 PM

LOL at Trump on 60 Minutes basically saying he wasn't going to do anything he promised during the campaign. The wall? He's okay with some fences. Getting rid of ObamaCare? Well, he'll keep the good parts like pre-existing conditions and kids staying on until 26. Locking up Hillary? Well, he doesn't want to be too hard on her, she's done a lot of good for the country. Getting rid of LGBTQ marriage rights? No way, it's already been decided by the courts, total non-issue, won't even consider revisiting it.

Trump being anti-gay is a garbage left-wing talking point
Pence I won't defend but saying Trump hates gays (not that you said that, I mean people in the media) is wrong.

So he picks Pence as VP? He said accomodating trans people is too expensive. LGBTQ = not only gay.

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Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 02:13:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSDUsMwakI

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 02:53:12 AM

I'm not mad but I won't believe it until I (don't) see it. Politicians lie all the time and assuming Trump was just trolling America to get elected is incredibly stupid in light of their serious nature and extremely wishful thinking. It's more than likely a way to get people to back off and stop protesting.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 03:11:17 AM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 02:13:39 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSDUsMwakI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rSDUsMwakI)

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Rakka Kaze30 minutes ago
I think Oliver's Agenda is showing.
Self-awareness is an amazing and rare trait that he definitely doesn't have.

gasp, i never realized

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Gryerdeili2 minutes ago
Donald, if you read this, deport this braindead man. Put the nasty animal out of its misery

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TYT is the only news network I listen too.

Fuck mainstream media

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:13:52 AM

Oliver should have gone after the fact that Clinton lost the election on hubris as well.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2016, 03:17:39 AM

Quote from: bluemax on November 13, 2016, 08:17:14 PM

I admit I'm not super up on what's gone on in France the past 15 years, but it is very interesting to me that you say we are just repeating it, are there any good resources I can read to get an understanding of this?

Also, I feel like the bolded and the points you made around it are exactly what helped Trump rise and it is an important set of questions that need to be addressed going forward. We can't keep pretending the rural south and the rust belt don't exist.

To be clear, I am mainly talking at how the reaction to all this is phrased. "Normalization" is the second thing that is identical to some longstanding debates in Europe. The other one that struck me is when I read "Trump is right on the issues, not on the answers" which was almost word for word a quote from a former Socialist Minister that provoked a bit of a spat in France ("The FN has the right questions, not the good answers") 30 years ago (the far right issue here have been festering from that long).

There was some parallels drawn in the US press with Mussolini and Berlusconi but overall a lot of American political commenters didn't really comment and draw from the European experience beyond the Brexit, which was a poor point of comparison (referendum is not alike to an election). Not everyone can be up to date with Euro politics, I understand that, and even so it is hard to make 1:1 comparisons when the US is a strict bipartism system (something which to my knowledge doesn't exist anywhere in Europe, even the UK). Lots of Euro media and liberals were similarly blindsided by Clinton losing anyway...

Anyway, even if Trump doesn't do really anything, I think you're up for 4 shitty years just on account of who's potentially running the cabinet and the worst GOP talking points being validated in the election.

EDIT : I was reading in a Guardian article that Obama deported 3m people during his mandates, as a point of comparison.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 03:24:25 AM

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“I am very surprised to hear [of instances of intimidation by supporters] -- I hate to hear that,” Trump said in an interview with CBS’s “60 Minutes” conducted on Friday at Trump Tower in New York and broadcast on Sunday. “I would say don’t do it, that’s terrible, because I’m going to bring this country together.”

“I will say right to the cameras: Stop it,” Trump added.

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Trump said he stands by past criticisms of the Electoral College system, in which each state is given as many votes as it has members of Congress, even though he’s headed to the White House because of it. Trump was one of only four people in U.S. history to become president without winning the popular vote. The last was former President George W. Bush, who received less votes than Democrat Al Gore in 2000.

“I’m not going to change my mind just because I won,” he said. “I would rather see it where you went with simple votes. You know, you get 100 million votes and somebody else gets 90 million votes and you win.”

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the Republican said it was “irrelevant” whether he personally supports same-sex marriage.

“It was already settled,” Trump said Friday at Trump Tower, according to a transcript released by the network for the interview airing Sunday. “It’s law. It was settled in the Supreme Court. I mean it’s done.”

President-elect Trump never would have made it out of the GOP primaries.

Quote from: VomKriege on November 14, 2016, 03:17:39 AM

overall a lot of American political commenters didn't really comment and draw from the European experience beyond the Brexit, which was a poor point of comparison

Look at how bad at those commentators are at discussing American politics, imagine them trying to wrap their heads around the average Yuropean election let alone its politics. Even American political science struggles to deal with it in a lot of the subfields. Which has always baffled me.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 03:48:44 AM

On one hand, Trump backpedaling on his awful promises means I won't be able to rub people's noses in how horrible his reign of terror is gonna be. On the other, I can still remind them how much of a demagogue I said he was.  :doge


Ryan is really trying to kill Medicare tho

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 03:58:37 AM

You fuck with Medicare at your own risk. Especially now that the Boomers are in it. Which is why Ryan is pulling the "everybody in or about to be in is fine, we're phasing it out to vouchers for younger workers" card. Even that will be difficult to get passed.

The unfortunate part is that something near those lines (or full fledged single payer) does need to be done but none of the ways to handle it are palatable to the parties involved. That's why Congress has by bipartisan votes held off the Medicare automatic reimbursement rate changes for 13 years now.

I still think the most likely thing is that they loosen up some of the requirements for ACA qualifying plans, tweak around the edges, kill a bunch of random pilot programs, keep the popular stuff like Trump singled out and rebrand it as something like TRUMPCHOICE.

I actually wouldn't be surprised if they don't centralize it more and take away more power from the states who have fucked up like Oregon. The GOP has a weird fetish for doing that and nobody ever cares about their rhetoric otherwise. :lol

If they can get something in place that halts or reduces even slightly the premium increases, even if it's through usage of those EVIL WAIVERS, that'll be cover enough to say they repealed the bad parts. The details are never going to matter to the base.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2016, 05:09:14 AM

One thing that baffled me is how prominent data and stat model talk has been in the last stretch of the election, all while people insisted to stop the horserace narrative.

Not to deny those are powerful tools (mostly useful to policy makers though), but polling is pointless in actual debate over substance.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 05:29:05 AM

Obviously not ideal, but Pew posted a chart that touches on some of the stuff we've been talking about in terms of the disconnect:
(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/10145712/1c.png)

(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/10124944/4.png)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: headwalk on November 14, 2016, 05:44:06 AM

do you fellas like john oliver? maybe it's me being british but he just comes across as a shrill, bleating charicature of what every hard righter wants to paint every liberal as.

the sort of kid who the kids who were bullied at school took it all out on, and even his own parents knew it was basically his fault for demanding that he kept his books in a briefcase and drank his darjeeling at the teacher's table at lunch.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 05:56:34 AM

I've always liked him personally, in acting and stuff, when he took over temporarily for Jon Stewart, and I like the long form presentations he does versus summing up just recent stuff. This episode was a bit much since he had already covered most of the ground in prior episodes.

A lot of the topics they cover are often overlooked elsewhere in media. It's kinda like Penn & Teller's Bullshit at times in that manner.

This one obviously was more politically focused so it was kinda meh but many episodes are (like Bullshit was) more "what the fuck at this?!? look at this shit" than pushing a major electoral agenda. Bullshit always had the libertarian lean and this has a progressive lean but I don't think it hurts it too much. Like the better times of The Daily Show.

And I guess I'm on the "right" for Bore purposes. But I've probably posted more of the segments in the thread for the show than anybody?

EDIT: I'm literally drinking Darjeeling tea right now. :omg

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: headwalk on November 14, 2016, 06:35:34 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 14, 2016, 06:28:32 AM

Is there a similar type of show in England where an American laughs at how stupid the country is every week? Wouldn't you think that guy is kind of an asshole?

the tabloids would eat them alive.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: nudemacusers on November 14, 2016, 08:34:32 AM

Re Oliver, it's kind of amusing, given all the talk of how the left ignored rural America throughout the campaign and reaped the consequences, that his "fuck 2016" send off consisted of either urban dwellers or celebrities.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: zomgee on November 14, 2016, 08:42:20 AM

Sorry but: 

(http://i.imgur.com/OFBqeYj.jpg)

 :lol :lol

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 09:07:29 AM

Quote from: Stro on November 14, 2016, 06:28:32 AM

I think he's terrible, and terribly unfunny dating back to TDS days. He's both every stereotype of liberals and of British people you can think of, down to the bad hair and teeth. I always take issue with foreign commentators speaking about the issues of a country they weren't raised in. I mean a whole show devoted to it, not just general commentary. It just seems so cocky, and John Oliver speaks with such authority in a "lol stupid fucking Americans" type of way that it's weird to me. Is there a similar type of show in England where an American laughs at how stupid the country is every week? Wouldn't you think that guy is kind of an asshole?

His rise on TDS is when I checked out for good.

If you're one of those immigrant types you should just stfu right

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 09:20:53 AM

Quote from: headwalk on November 14, 2016, 05:44:06 AM

do you fellas like john oliver? maybe it's me being british but he just comes across as a shrill, bleating charicature of what every hard righter wants to paint every liberal as.

the sort of kid who the kids who were bullied at school took it all out on, and even his own parents knew it was basically his fault for demanding that he kept his books in a briefcase and drank his darjeeling at the teacher's table at lunch.

He's okay. His analogies and comedy are awful but he can be informative depending on the issue.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Raist on November 14, 2016, 09:22:00 AM

Rare picture of Oliver back when he was in high school.

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(http://keyassets-p2.timeincuk.net/wp/prod/wp-content/uploads/sites/42/2010/09/Will_inbetweeners.jpg)

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: nudemacusers on November 14, 2016, 09:49:19 AM

^ too accurate lmao

Quote from: zomgee on November 14, 2016, 08:42:20 AM

Sorry but: 

(http://i.imgur.com/OFBqeYj.jpg)

 :lol :lol

Still aches  :(

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Bebpo on November 14, 2016, 11:48:47 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 05:29:05 AM

Obviously not ideal, but Pew posted a chart that touches on some of the stuff we've been talking about in terms of the disconnect:
(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/10145712/1c.png)

(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/10124944/4.png)

Only one that surprises me is gap between rich and the poor.  Poor folks in the republican camp don't care that they're poor & getting poorer, while the 1% get richer?  With all the economy & jobs talk, would've thought they'd agree wih D on that.  Then again I guess republican leaders tell them it's the immigrants & PoC stealing their jobs and keeping them poor and richer 1%ers have nothing to do with it.

Also considering how strongly Trump's supporters don't seem to give a shit about the 1%/99% gap which includes the banks, it definitely throws a question on if Bernie would've done better since that was essentially his whole platform + free college which Trump voters don't care about either.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 11:52:52 AM

Quote from: Bebpo on November 14, 2016, 11:48:47 AM

Quote from: benjipwns on November 14, 2016, 05:29:05 AM

Obviously not ideal, but Pew posted a chart that touches on some of the stuff we've been talking about in terms of the disconnect:
(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/10145712/1c.png)

(http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2016/11/10124944/4.png)

Only one that surprises me is gap between rich and the poor.  Poor folks in the republican camp don't care that they're poor & getting poorer, while the 1% get richer?  With all the economy & jobs talk, would've thought they'd agree wih D on that.  Then again I guess republican leaders tell them it's the immigrants & PoC stealing their jobs and keeping them poor and richer 1%ers have nothing to do with it.

Also considering how strongly Trump's supporters don't seem to give a shit about the 1%/99% gap which includes the banks, it definitely throws a question on if Bernie would've done better since that was essentially his whole platform + free college which Trump voters don't care about either.

They believe the fairy tales about trickle down economics.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2016, 01:08:11 PM

I'd be more willing to believe that Trump was actually a moderate Republican the whole time if he wasn't exclusively hiring far-right ideologues and sycophantic morons [not mutually exclusive] to be in his administration.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2016, 01:18:06 PM

I think Oliver is alright. Just like benji, I think he deserves points for the editorial effort of doing vulgarization exposés on real issues out of the beaten path : as much as I may like other similar shows, they often are just hot takes. His delivery (or joke pool) is pretty shallow though.
But yeah sure, he's part of a slanted media bubble just like most of his colleagues. I wouldn't hold it against them, it's on the audience to keep in mind those are comedians and to diversify their sources.

Quote from: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2016, 01:08:11 PM

I'd be more willing to believe that Trump was actually a moderate Republican the whole time if he wasn't exclusively hiring far-right ideologues and sycophantic morons [not mutually exclusive] to be in his administration.

Bannon being surely in and Arpaio or Palin being considered is telling the whole story. A bunch of clowns and harmful ones at that.

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Only one that surprises me is gap between rich and the poor.  Poor folks in the republican camp don't care that they're poor & getting poorer, while the 1% get richer?

I suspect it's not so much that they deny the gap in itself, more that they think it is not a problem because it reflects merit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 01:22:24 PM

Man y'all some terrible losers. Instead of crying over shit none of you can change why don't you start figuring out how to save your corrupt fuckhole party by 2020?

Well unless it's not "PC" to support criminals, then you should just quit. A bunch of dudes up in here with the combined power of a popcorn fart talking shit...smh.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2016, 01:26:10 PM

We're just supposed to shrug and accept the CEO of Breitbart having an office in the WH and drawing a salary from the taxpayers, but imagine if Obama had ever tried the same thing with Markos Moulitsas.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 01:26:48 PM

You mention crying over things we can't change when there's nothing we can do to save the party right now except wait for the DNC pick. pretty much all of us have accepted this.

The fact you consider having Bannon in the White House a win and came here to gloat about things "we can't change" makes me think you're full on coon, Trump vote or no Trump vote. No offense.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 01:27:34 PM

Quote from: Human Snorenado on November 14, 2016, 01:26:10 PM

We're just supposed to shrug and accept the CEO of Breitbart having an office in the WH and drawing a salary from the taxpayers, but imagine if Obama had ever tried the same thing with Markos Moulitsas.

Y'all talk too much and do too little. Clinton losing will hopefully motivate you uneducated blobs into actually learning how to fix the system rather than regurgitating the latest CNN bullshit. We can only hope...

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 01:30:30 PM

How do we do too little exactly?

I've changed how I read political news, and I'm trying to get out of my news bubble. I've taken the loss to heart and I'm trying to change my habits.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 01:46:41 PM

i'm not sure if aia realizes that the democratic party is at civil war right now. keith ellison for dnc chair.

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/14/robert-reich-why-we-need-a-new-democratic-party-now_partner/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 14, 2016, 01:47:41 PM

Quote from: nudemacusers on November 14, 2016, 08:34:32 AM

Re Oliver, it's kind of amusing, given all the talk of how the left ignored rural America throughout the campaign and reaped the consequences, that his "fuck 2016" send off consisted of either urban dwellers or celebrities.

He's completely out of touch just like the rest of the Hollywood/entertainment elite. They have created their own little hugbox and think they're helping their cause by preaching to the population from up there on their high horse. In reality their only make the situation worse and make sure no one takes them seriously outside hardcore liberals.

No introspection, no criticism about his party or himself, nothing, he started with the fearmongering demonizing anyone not in his team in the beginning of the episode and never stopped.

Trump is still gonna be president in 2021 isn't he? Goddamnit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2016, 01:52:45 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 01:30:30 PM

How do we do too little exactly?

I've changed how I read political news, and I'm trying to get out of my news bubble. I've taken the loss to heart and I'm trying to change my habits.

Just pull your party up by it's bootstraps. Give it a hand up, not a hand out.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:07:39 PM

John Oliver isn't really saying anything much different than what's frequently posted on this very forum. Only difference is that he's on TV.  :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 02:10:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

i'm confused by this post

who is it even targeting?

Quote from: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:07:39 PM

John Oliver isn't really saying anything much different than what's frequently posted on this very forum. Only difference is that he's on TV.  :yeshrug

the problem is he had a platform and used it to rail on 2016 being a shitty year instead of the political candidate that allowed this loss to happen.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 14, 2016, 02:12:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

Bill and Obama (along with Republicans of course) are the ones who created this mess. They were both corporate shills who put the foundations for the decimation of the middle class we witness today. And the middle class fought back by electing someone who they thought isn't anything like them. The era of charismatic neoliberal hacks hopefully has ended.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:14:32 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 02:10:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

i'm confused by this post

who is it even targeting?

Quote from: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:07:39 PM

John Oliver isn't really saying anything much different than what's frequently posted on this very forum. Only difference is that he's on TV.  :yeshrug

the problem is he had a platform and used it to rail on 2016 being a shitty year instead of the political candidate that allowed this loss to happen.

come on, let's not pin this on Jon Oliver now. It's a comedy show on HBO.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 02:15:06 PM

Quote from: Optimus on November 14, 2016, 02:12:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

Bill and Obama (along with Republicans of course) are the ones who created this mess. They were both corporate shills who put the foundations for the decimation of the middle class we witness today. And the middle class fought back by electing someone who they thought isn't anything like them. The era of charismatic neoliberal hacks hopefully has ended.

i agree except hillary clinton is more culpable for blame than obama or bill especially when her team didn't have the guidance to listen to the counsel of bill clinton on getting some votes.

Quote from: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:14:32 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 02:10:25 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

i'm confused by this post

who is it even targeting?

Quote from: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:07:39 PM

John Oliver isn't really saying anything much different than what's frequently posted on this very forum. Only difference is that he's on TV.  :yeshrug

the problem is he had a platform and used it to rail on 2016 being a shitty year instead of the political candidate that allowed this loss to happen.

come on, let's not pin this on Jon Oliver now. It's a comedy show on HBO.

pin what on jon oliver? that he had a platform and attacked media coverage of trump without the self awareness that he contributed to it? ("Do it! Do it!") He mentions a bunch of organizations to donate to, which is great and fantastic, but isn't critical of the party that allowed this happen? The party that said this was the biggest election of our lives and completely failed us? His coverage of the media was highly shallow. The Atlantic's story on the matter was more nuanced and brought up more relevant facts as well that the media is completely unprepared for a Trump presidency. He wants us to defeat Trump but glosses over a party and campaign that allowed this to happen? If the Democrats lose one more state they lose the percentage necessary to oppose new constitutional amendments. "This is a crisis, but let's put this entirely on the media, for which I am a part of!"

People like Jon Oliver are part of the problem. They have taken this loss and think the democratic party's actions are fine and everything else to blame. Even if it's not what he thinks, wouldn't you agree that taking this complicated issue and talking about only one aspect of it for nearly 30 minutes is completely irresponsible?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Optimus on November 14, 2016, 02:28:32 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 02:15:06 PM

Quote from: Optimus on November 14, 2016, 02:12:13 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

Bill and Obama (along with Republicans of course) are the ones who created this mess. They were both corporate shills who put the foundations for the decimation of the middle class we witness today. And the middle class fought back by electing someone who they thought isn't anything like them. The era of charismatic neoliberal hacks hopefully has ended.

i agree except hillary clinton is more culpable for blame than obama or bill especially when her team didn't have the guidance to listen to the counsel of bill clinton on getting some votes.

Hillary was playing politics on hard mode anyway and didn't know it. Her name alone was a huge problem for her. The country is sick and tired of these con-artists and their media cheerleaders. Sick and desperate.  That's the main reason, imo, they turned to Trump. There's a video from Trumpland that vividly explains this btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YY-CiPVo_NQ
(the Trumptards cut the last part where he says "for a day or two" btw)

It it amazing watching the Hollywood and media idiots talk about how great of a president Obama was. They have no idea what's going on. Absolutely none.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:30:34 PM

Yeah. But he shouldn't be taken too seriously in the first place. Neither should Maher and other talking heads.

And as much nuance and different sides of the issues as he failed to communicate, actual legit news channels (hello CNN) did a thousand times worse, when they talked about the pussy grab or emails round the clock.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 02:31:38 PM

I bet Michael Moore voted for Trump and he will take that to his grave.

Quote from: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 02:30:34 PM

Yeah. But he shouldn't be taken too seriously in the first place. Neither should Maher and other talking heads.

And as much nuance and different sides of the issues as he failed to communicate, actual legit news channels (hello CNN) did a thousand times worse, when they talked about the pussy grab or emails round the clock.

I don't disagree.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 03:05:44 PM

I'm telling you guys, Michael Moore is happy as fuck Trump won. He was spelling doom and gloom before the election and now is his chance to be the face of the democratic reform movement. He's basking in the limelight right now. :hans1

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he might be a well-meaning guy, I don't know

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 03:08:34 PM

Btw, in the last show Oliver touched on how people are too gullible with fake Facebook memes masquerading as news, even ones that are against Trump. So at least there's that.

I also agree with Dufus and PD that people should chill out a little with the doom and gloom for the democratic party. Pundits and forumites alike have been spelling doom for the GOP for many election cycles now. Calling for them to reform, if they don't change their ways. Make no mistakes, whatever it is that's rotting the dems from the inside out isn't any better with them. Yet look at them now. Did they change to become more inclusive like everyone said they should for them to be relevant? No, they just doubled down on their awful policies.

Trump is a phenomena that is hard to explain and there are no easy answers. That plus Hillary being a weak candidate that no one could get excited about created a perfect storm of events. Historians will be talking about this election cycle for decades.

But yes, the democrats need to rethink a lot of things and drain their swamp. :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:10:05 PM

a co-worker told me last night at work that trump was going to cut 500k jobs from the department of education. i had to go to snopes to see if it was legitimate.

where did he find it? fucking facebook.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 14, 2016, 03:13:02 PM

Hillary ran a decent campaign, lets not retcon this. She won the majority of votes as proof.

Too bad she or her staff were playing checkers while Trump played chess and won states and electoral votes.

No need really to re ANAL yze her whole effort, just look at these few key lost states.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 03:15:00 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 03:10:05 PM

a co-worker told me last night at work that trump was going to cut 500k jobs from the department of education. i had to go to snopes to see if it was legitimate.

where did he find it? fucking facebook.

A friend of mine posted some link about Dvid Rockefeller getting his 7th heart transplant the other day. I clicked on the link and it was full of illuminati nonsense

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:17:22 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 14, 2016, 03:13:02 PM

Hillary ran a decent campaign, lets not retcon this. She won the majority of votes as proof.

Too bad she or her staff were playing checkers while Trump played chess and won states and electoral votes.

No need really to re ANAL yze her whole effort, just look at these few key lost states.

She never went to Wisconsin and didn't consider Michigan even though she lost the state to Sanders. In August it felt like she disappeared from the election entirely while Donald Trump was still ramping momentum. Her campaign sucked. I agree with Dufus surprisingly. 2004 was the first election I was ever allowed to vote in and it really reminded me of 2004 where the only reason I was behind the candidate was because they weren't the opposite side. Kerry never resonated with me in a real way. Not like how Dean did, and the only reason I went along with it was to defend my party line.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2016, 03:18:08 PM

S.E. Cupp: "Trump might be kinda racist, tho. (http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/opinions/trump-failed-first-test-cupp/index.html)"

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 14, 2016, 03:19:55 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 03:17:22 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 14, 2016, 03:13:02 PM

Hillary ran a decent campaign, lets not retcon this. She won the majority of votes as proof.

Too bad she or her staff were playing checkers while Trump played chess and won states and electoral votes.

No need really to re ANAL yze her whole effort, just look at these few key lost states.

She never went to Wisconsin and didn't consider Michigan even though she lost the state to Sanders. Her campaign sucked. I agree with Dufus surprisingly. 2004 was the first election I was ever allowed to vote in and it really reminded me of 2004 where the only reason I was behind the candidate was because they weren't the opposite side. Kerry never resonated with me in a real way. Not like how Dean did, and the only reason I went along with it was to defend my party line.

she didnt even go to wisconsin?  :lol

i take my words back

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:24:51 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 14, 2016, 03:19:55 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 03:17:22 PM

Quote from: Premium Lager on November 14, 2016, 03:13:02 PM

Hillary ran a decent campaign, lets not retcon this. She won the majority of votes as proof.

Too bad she or her staff were playing checkers while Trump played chess and won states and electoral votes.

No need really to re ANAL yze her whole effort, just look at these few key lost states.

She never went to Wisconsin and didn't consider Michigan even though she lost the state to Sanders. Her campaign sucked. I agree with Dufus surprisingly. 2004 was the first election I was ever allowed to vote in and it really reminded me of 2004 where the only reason I was behind the candidate was because they weren't the opposite side. Kerry never resonated with me in a real way. Not like how Dean did, and the only reason I went along with it was to defend my party line.

she didnt even go to wisconsin?  :lol

i take my words back

Have you not read this?

http://www.salon.com/2016/11/09/the-hillary-clinton-campaign-intentionally-created-donald-trump-with-its-pied-piper-strategy/

Hillary Clinton ran a campaign promising that she was doing so for an equal America where racial minorities, women, and lgbt people would be a part of the process. It was the most diverse election campaign ever conceived I believe. All this while her campaign deliberately attempted to make Trump's far right rhetoric normal  in order to make an easy win in the general.

Fuck Hillary Cllinton and fuck the DNC.

I see Democrats defending both. Hillary's campaign continues to only blame Comey.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: VomKriege on November 14, 2016, 03:26:23 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

But isn't the problem that the Dems rely on fielding a charismatic candidate to win (and to win only the White House, mostly, since they lost a ton a offices in the last 6 years) ?
Finding a charismatic candidate is easier said than done, otherwise parties (and their militants who vote in primaries !) would field just that instead of Kerry, McCain, Romney or Clinton... It's basically reducing politics to luck of the draw or rolling a dice. Obama emerged as a contender fairly close to the primary cycle, didn't he ?

The real problem of the Democrats is that they rely on a "coalition" (a base) that need to come out in large numbers where it matters and can't be trusted to, it seems. They are confident that the demographic shift will favor them, but it's a future solution, not one for right now (and that's betting on keeping a strong hold on future latino votes). They need to widen their base and appeal to other demographics : they don't need to "win" those, just shifting a few points in their favor will do. It is also my understanding that for many offices in deep red land, Republicans run unopposed and that sound like madness to me.

In the immediate future, it doesn't make a lot of sense to pick theorical candidates for 2020 (we saw all the good a so called "deep bench" had in the GOP primaries...), Dems will have to focus on rebuilding on the ground and must mobilize around concrete issues like defending the ACA if needed.

Not a US citizen, please disregard if wrong. :yeshrug

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 03:29:02 PM

Most of the original colonists and pilgrims came here in their adulthood from another country.

The name of that country?

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Great Brittain  :gbcry

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Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:32:42 PM

Democrats going with another establishment pick would very well force the base to stay home again.

Democrats have a userbase problem. This userbase doesn't come out to vote during mid-terms and they didn't come out to vote this election. 6 million democrats stayed home this election. But apparently we need to concentrate on finding the next Obama or Clinton. :snoop Democrats first call to action, besides gaining a more progressive DNC chair, should be to find out why their base doesn't come out to mid-terms and how to win elections.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 03:35:59 PM

Nah if anything it reinforces that you need a strong candidate who can hold the coalitions together. The party is what it is, it's not going to stop being a coalition in four years. The goal is to unify it as best as you can, because if it's unified then you have a really good shot at winning.

Do you need a perfect candidate like Obama? No. But they can sure as hell do better than Hillary Clinton next time.

And in terms of midterms...that's a separate issue. The problem is less so gerrymandering and moreso the reality that minority/dem leaning voters tend to pile up in cities, and whiter/GOP leaning voters tend to be everywhere else. 2010 was going to be a bloodbath for democrats regardless due to the economy, and 2014 featured democrats running away from Obama+dealing with ebola and ISIS scares.

I'm just tired of hearing all this "democrats need xyz" shit that misses the fucking point. Hillary lost because she couldn't hold blue states. Because she took them for granted and didn't campaign hard enough there, and because she spent a year lying about TPP to rust belt voters. My views on trade have been expressed, I agree NAFTA is a scapegoat, etc. But when you call TPP the "gold standard" and then try to act like you're against it now...that's hard to get away with brehs. And it hurt her. The same way her Iraq war vote hurt her in 08 against Obama. You've got to be right the first time...sometimes. And she just wasn't, on too many issues.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on November 14, 2016, 03:36:04 PM

Quote from: headwalk on November 14, 2016, 05:44:06 AM

do you fellas like john oliver? maybe it's me being british but he just comes across as a shrill, bleating charicature of what every hard righter wants to paint every liberal as.

He's got about two decades of work to do before he takes that crown from Maher

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 14, 2016, 03:38:53 PM

kurt eichenwald curbstomps bernie bros: http://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044

mandark: vindicated
gaf: annihilated

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:42:01 PM

democrats need xyz because they lost a crucial election and now no one trusts them worth shit anymore. Who is the party even for now? The messaging is all over the place. The democrats need xyz because you're concentrating only on hillary's defeat because she took blue states for granted when under the Obama administration they lost over 900 state legislature seats, and now control only 13 state legislatures. thinking this was only a problem with the hillary campaign on not the party in general is foolish and is damning us to repeat 2016 in 2020.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 14, 2016, 03:45:12 PM

basically, america is electorally racist and bigoted as fuck. i'm beyond the bullshit economic handwringing that makes white democrats feel better. nah, kids, a significant percentage of electoral votes are potentially controlled by people who hate baggy pants and taco trucks and musicals.

buh buh buh 2008 obama! yeah, 4 years and mitt romney ago. this time around, the obama support didn't even bother to show, because false equivalency and who cares about minorities

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:50:30 PM

I think limiting this loss to just America being racist is going to come bite us in the ass. Certainly older democrats refuse to make Clinton administration culpable. Bernie lost to Hillary but the DNC leaks certainly didn't help matters. If Bernie was going to lose just let him lose. Don't meddle. It certainly doesn't help the argument that the election is rigged by Donald Trump when it's leaked that the DNC only made one candidate reasonably backable.

That Newsweek article is written by a hard line Democrat defending his party and his candidate to extreme fervor.

Mandark didn't win shit. Come on. :lol He even admitted this!

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 14, 2016, 03:53:39 PM

did you READ the article? bernie was fuckin' unelectable. the media woulda ripped his old ass apart with the bones in his closets.

9.5 words: "i like trump because he says what we're thinkin'." that was the refrain EVERYWHERE.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 14, 2016, 03:57:18 PM

mandark certainly beat ME. i was the one who reneged on the racism assumption and got sucked in by the entirely anecdotal rust belt economic narratives. i got fuck pwn3d, fam.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: agrajag on November 14, 2016, 03:57:32 PM

GAF is only Bernie land with hindsight. Bernie bros was one of the most reviled groups on GAF before she lost.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 03:58:26 PM

I'm not sure if Bernie being unelectable is true or not. He won the very states that made Hillary lose. Certainly he lost the candidacy, but I don't think those emails helped at all.

The media tore Donald Trump apart and it didn't matter an iota. He still won.

That article is awful. Those are the only myths from this election? Why the Bernie focus?

The article is brimming with liberal smug.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2016, 04:00:03 PM

Everybody is an expert now on how Hillary/the DNC messed everything up. Just like everyone was an expert beforehand on how Trump had no path to victory.

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Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 04:01:23 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2016, 04:00:03 PM

Everybody is an expert now on how Hillary/the DNC messed everything up. Just like everyone was an expert beforehand on how Trump had no path to victory.

I dunno. It's not hard for a lay person to understand that she lost the rust belt, didn't bother to campaign there in a meaningful way even though she lost Michigan, and didn't do polling until the last minute.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:02:32 PM

Minorities came out hard in PA/Philly. The problem is that Hillary spend nearly all of her time in Philly and Pittsburgh instead of branching out to whiter areas. Are some of those voters racist? Sure yea. But many of them in MI/WI/PA voted for Obama twice yet didn't vote for Hillary. It's hard to win over voters if you laugh off the mere idea of campaigning for them...

Speaking of which
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224449500&postcount=93

.....

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:02:45 PM

PD once again showing how poli-bore makes poli-GAF look well composed :umad

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2016, 04:04:36 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 14, 2016, 04:02:05 PM

Quote from: Joe Molotov on November 14, 2016, 04:00:03 PM

Everybody is an expert now on how Hillary/the DNC messed everything up. Just like everyone was an expert beforehand on how Trump had no path to victory.

Well now we know about what went on behind the scenes with the Hillary campaign etc and that makes it easier to analyse the election results. :yeshrug

We knew she wasn't campaigning in Wisconsin before Election Day, you could look at her scheduled speeches.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 04:04:55 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:02:32 PM

Minorities came out hard in PA/Philly. The problem is that Hillary spend nearly all of her time in Philly and Pittsburgh instead of branching out to whiter areas. Are some of those voters racist? Sure yea. But many of them in MI/WI/PA voted for Obama twice yet didn't vote for Hillary. It's hard to win over voters if you laugh off the mere idea of campaigning for them...

Speaking of which
http://neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=224449500&postcount=93

.....

Hillary's campaign schedule is disgusting. She had it set up so she could go home and sleep in her bed every night. Fuck Hillary Clinton.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:17:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.

What the hell are you talking about bro. You are familiar with this state called California that currently feeds most of the United States and has the 6th largest economy in the world. That's where much of Clinton's pop vote margin will come from, and votes are still being counted there.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:18:18 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 14, 2016, 04:15:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future.

So all the takers voted for Clinton and the all makers voted for Trump.

That's a very nuanced take on the election results breh.

But seriously how much Fox News have you been watching lately.
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/scust.png)

Well I don't have much time because I'm still searching for something made in NYC, Seattle, and Miami that this country requires in order to survive. I'll brb.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:17:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.

What the hell are you talking about bro. You are familiar with this state called California that currently feeds most of the United States and has the 6th largest economy in the world. That's where much of Clinton's pop vote margin will come from, and votes are still being counted there.

So we are counting IOU's as tangible property then?

Don't try this college intellectual lazy bullshit. It's beneath you

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 04:20:06 PM

Let's ignore Houston and California. Some great rationalization there. Houston has the largest medical center in the world and a mass amount of the energy business is here. We vote blue.

Obama threw Clinton and the DNC under the goddamn bus. Good. :aah bububu racism won bububu

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2016, 04:21:05 PM

(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/jayzd.gif)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:22:37 PM

Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:23:27 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 04:20:06 PM

Let's ignore Houston and California. Some great rationalization there. Houston has the largest medical center in the world and a mass amount of the energy business is here. We vote blue.

Obama threw Clinton and the DNC under the goddamn bus. Good. :aah bububu racism won bububu

Ha ha you smashed your own agenda with your last sentence. I mean Obama don't even like the bitch, clearly.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:22:37 PM

Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:24:04 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:19:44 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:17:21 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

It's funny.

Trump did and made some really stupid things during the run up to the election. Nobody talks about them

Hilary was caught showing her age (woozy dropping) and couldn't escape the FBI. 

Nobody likes Hilary. She's the opposite of Bill. She's probably done with politics so at least we have that going for us.

Also when you say "Sure but America voted clinton"

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future. The fucking election map looks like a Verizon advertisement.

Oh yet and yet it's the peaceful liberals beating the shit out of Americans right now. Good look brehs.

Take your L bore. It's better for the country in the short term and better for your party moving forward  if we finally can shed the Bush/Clinton idiocy.

What the hell are you talking about bro. You are familiar with this state called California that currently feeds most of the United States and has the 6th largest economy in the world. That's where much of Clinton's pop vote margin will come from, and votes are still being counted there.

So we are counting IOU's as tangible property then?

Don't try this college intellectual lazy bullshit. It's beneath you

:lol

I'm done brehs. You own a business/are an employer, you know better.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 04:25:36 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:23:27 PM

Quote from: Queen of Ice on November 14, 2016, 04:20:06 PM

Let's ignore Houston and California. Some great rationalization there. Houston has the largest medical center in the world and a mass amount of the energy business is here. We vote blue.

Obama threw Clinton and the DNC under the goddamn bus. Good. :aah bububu racism won bububu

Ha ha you smashed your own agenda with your last sentence. I mean Obama don't even like the bitch, clearly.

how did i smash my agenda?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:25:38 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:22:37 PM

Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

Oh you thought you was the only one allowed to talk shit? Check your privileges.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2016, 04:26:29 PM

:mindblown

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:27:00 PM

California can't carry the party. California also ducks up our economy. Not sure what level of detail you want for that but as of today they still owe me...oh...a bit of money for going on four years now. Stay classy :)

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:28:45 PM

Admit you're just mad because Michigan almost always loses in the Rose Bowl.  :doge

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:28:45 PM

Admit you're just mad because Michigan almost always loses in the Rose Bowl.  :doge

Oh I just can't mad at you.

Also :snoop

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 14, 2016, 04:35:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 02:02:54 PM

Here's an idea. Instead of normalizing "both sides are the same" fuckery (i.e. the "bubble" nonsense) or crying over a loss how about you nominate a candidate people actually like in 2020, who isn't dealing with an idiotic scandal of her own design due to not giving a fuck.

I lived through the Bush years. Congrats, we have another republican president who most voters voted against. In fact we still live in a reality where republicans have won the popular vote ONCE since 1992. So stop crying and find another Bill or Obama, i.e. candidates who the base loves and will show up for.

Fuckin babies I swear
:snoop

gracias

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 14, 2016, 04:35:18 PM

Someday I'll own a business so that I can blame other people for my problems. 

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:35:27 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:30:06 PM

Quote from: Phoenix Dark on November 14, 2016, 04:28:45 PM

Admit you're just mad because Michigan almost always loses in the Rose Bowl.  :doge

Oh I just can't mad at you.

Also :snoop

I went to bed during like the 3rd quarter of the Iowa game since I was tired af. Checked a couple hours later and womp womp
:snoop

Big Ten better not fuck this up.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 14, 2016, 04:42:57 PM

Quote from: Dufus on November 14, 2016, 04:15:59 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:11:08 PM

No your resource suckling population centers did. The ones who actually feed/house/employ you voted trump and they are much more valuable to our future.

So all the takers voted for Clinton and the all makers voted for Trump.

That's a very nuanced take on the election results breh.

But seriously how much Fox News have you been watching lately.
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given how all the states that gobble off the federal teat -- the red ones -- went trump, well, yeah, breh

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Tasty on November 14, 2016, 04:44:50 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:25:38 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:22:37 PM

Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

Oh you thought you was the only one allowed to talk shit? Check your privileges.

I've never talked shit about you ITT. I mentioned you voting third party to talk shit to username.

Did you vote third party or not?

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:46:15 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 14, 2016, 04:44:50 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:25:38 PM

Quote from: Tasty Meat on November 14, 2016, 04:23:44 PM

Quote from: Am_I_Anonymous on November 14, 2016, 04:22:37 PM

Surprised to see you here Tasty. Don't you have some Trump supporters to molest or something? Gotta toe that company line bro.

What the fuck?

Oh you thought you was the only one allowed to talk shit? Check your privileges.

I've never talked shit about you ITT. I mentioned you voting third party to talk shit to username.

Did you vote third party or not?

I'm still befuddled the rest of my family (all voted Clinton) didn't approve of my Busta Rhymes for president speech on the way there. Damnit.

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Syph on November 14, 2016, 05:01:30 PM

highly recommend people actually watch the 60 Minutes Trump interview

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/60-minutes-donald-trump-family-melania-ivanka-lesley-stahl/

Title: Re: US Politics Thread |OT| THE DARKEST TIMELINE
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 14, 2016, 05:35:59 PM

As good a place as any to lock this thread down and move to the next.